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| 21:09.54 | prpplague | fishhead: you need to refrain from making such statements here |
| 21:10.16 | fishhead | dude I don't care anymore it's all going to hell anyways |
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| 21:56.13 | prpplague | ahh, notice like buying a gallon bottle of 15year old rum for just 5quid |
| 21:56.21 | prpplague | s/notice/nothing |
| 21:56.38 | prpplague | damm word completion |
| 21:57.29 | sjhill | you could ship me some Cubans if you're bored |
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| 22:02.08 | sjhill | hi jamie |
| 22:02.16 | sjhill | prpplague: so what are you working on today? |
| 22:02.29 | sjhill | prpplague: have you used Xilinx WebPack under Linux? |
| 22:02.34 | jamie | hello sjhill |
| 22:04.23 | prpplague | sjhill: suppose to be working on a keyboard matrix |
| 22:04.31 | prpplague | sjhill: note the word "suppose" |
| 22:04.53 | prpplague | sjhill: i tried awhile back, and was so frusted i deleted it |
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| 22:05.52 | prpplague | sjhill: instead i'm watching red dwarf episodes |
| 22:05.59 | sjhill | slacker |
| 22:06.26 | prpplague | sjhill: i know |
| 22:06.51 | prpplague | sjhill: and you? |
| 22:07.15 | sjhill | learning FPGA stuff |
| 22:07.17 | sjhill | cleaning up my lab |
| 22:07.23 | sjhill | cleaning inbox |
| 22:07.27 | sjhill | working on website |
| 22:07.36 | sjhill | changing diapers |
| 22:07.38 | sjhill | rah! |
| 22:08.09 | sjhill | going to research an AMD64 syste too |
| 22:08.31 | sjhill | first i need to find a good 1U rack manufacturer |
| 22:08.42 | sjhill | i'm going to take my old dual athlon machine and put that in it |
| 22:08.54 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe lovely |
| 22:13.15 | prpplague | i wish it would hurry up and rain |
| 22:15.36 | sjhill | i could pee on you and tell you it's raining |
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| 22:18.48 | sjhill | hi file |
| 22:19.10 | file | hi |
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| 22:37.10 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, no thanks |
| 23:17.15 | prpplague | http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=570&item=IR-360&type=store |
| 23:17.24 | prpplague | anyone have experience with that brand of solder station? |
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| 23:18.09 | prpplague | [g2]: whats up G ? hehe |
| 23:18.15 | sjhill | heh |
| 23:19.23 | sjhill | mental note, 2.6.12-rc5 sucks |
| 23:19.31 | sjhill | man, the kernel releases are sucking more and more |
| 23:19.51 | sjhill | first, i would kick RMK in the nuts |
| 23:20.02 | [g2] | hey prpplague ! |
| 23:20.04 | sjhill | that would help things a lot |
| 23:20.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:20.38 | prpplague | sjhill: you disagree with rmk's policies? |
| 23:20.49 | sjhill | no, i just think he doesn't do enough testing |
| 23:20.56 | sjhill | and people trust him |
| 23:21.46 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:22.46 | [g2] | ok so let's revolt :) |
| 23:35.51 | MonMotha | 2.6 in general has some problems |
| 23:35.57 | MonMotha | I'm actually thinking of rolling my desktop back to 2.4 |
| 23:39.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i went 2.6 for a couple of weeks, then went back to 2.4 |
| 23:40.26 | [g2] | I haven't been on 2.4 for about 18 months :) |
| 23:40.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: i can't justify upgrading all of our legacy 2.4 builds to 2.6 and risk having unstable products |
| 23:40.52 | prpplague | [g2]-away: which version? |
| 23:41.00 | [g2]-away | heck... I've my slug is on 2.6.11.2 :) |
| 23:41.24 | [g2]-away | 2.6.10 and 2.6.11 two desktops and a laptop |
| 23:41.27 | prpplague | [g2]-away: yea, hacking something, and putting out a production version is a little different |
| 23:41.36 | [g2]-away | actually 2 laptops |
| 23:41.49 | [g2]-away | nod |
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| 23:43.38 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, this is just my personal desktop. It seems stable enough, as in it doesn't completely crash, but there's lots of silly stuff. The API for cd burning changed in 2.6.6 or something and means that even setuid root apps won't work, you have to actually BE root (wtf!?) |
| 23:43.57 | MonMotha | then it doesn't support my USB CF reader anymore, probably because I haven't gone with the whole hotplug/udev thing |
| 23:44.05 | MonMotha | I don't really like hotplug and udev though |
| 23:45.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i was kinda surprise with all the core changes between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 23:46.23 | MonMotha | well, and none of the userspace apps have caught up |
| 23:46.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: i would have suspected that level of changes to be in a 3.0 release |
| 23:46.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: exactly |
| 23:46.44 | MonMotha | cdrecord still bitches about how it's broken (but that's just because Jorg Schilling is an asshole who thinks we should all be running Solaris) |
| 23:47.05 | MonMotha | the kernel build system also got infinitely more complicated |
| 23:47.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: i think doing those kinds of changes when linux really needs some stability in the market place just didn't go over well |
| 23:47.17 | MonMotha | I'm still not sure on the exact procedure for building a kernel module outside of the tree |
| 23:47.47 | MonMotha | prpplague: indeed, I've had a client ask me to port one of my drivers to 2.6. I'm working on it, but I advised him to hold off on the migration since these are servers we're talking about here |
| 23:48.01 | MonMotha | heck, I didn't upgrade my servers to 2.4 until it was at like 2.4.16 |
| 23:48.13 | MonMotha | and that wasn't nearly as major of a change as 2.4->2.6 |
| 23:48.25 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, we had a big meeting and decided, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" |
| 23:48.43 | prpplague | MonMotha: on our embedded platforms, we have support for everything we need |
| 23:48.47 | MonMotha | yup, the couple of production systems I run still use 2.4 and I have no plans to upgrade them any time soon, if ever |
| 23:49.01 | MonMotha | yeah, embedded systems especially, the API changes make porting drivers difficult |
| 23:49.33 | prpplague | when i left abcsinc, they still had a customer running their account package on a 2.2 kernel |
| 23:49.42 | MonMotha | I dont' blame them. 2.2 is solid |
| 23:49.56 | MonMotha | I know a guy still runnign his NAT router on 2.0 |
| 23:49.58 | prpplague | hehe they also had a customer still running openserver 4.07 |
| 23:50.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: wow |
| 23:50.19 | MonMotha | yeah, I've been puishing him to upgrade that, iptables really is much nicer than ipfwadm |
| 23:50.27 | jamie | On the bright side, the CD-writer IDE changes in 2.6.6 made it not use a ton of CPU any more for a lot of people. |
| 23:50.29 | MonMotha | but again, if it works, don't try to fix it |
| 23:50.51 | MonMotha | jamie: yeah, that's why I've been hesitating to roll all the way back to 2.4. cd burnign does work, I should just set up sudo and alias something |
| 23:50.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: have you ever heard of UZI? |
| 23:51.06 | MonMotha | prpplague: UZI? other than as an automatic weapon, no |
| 23:51.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: http://uzix.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=intro&lang=us |
| 23:52.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: i've been trying to drum up some ppl interested in porting it to some arm7-mmuless devices |
| 23:52.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: like the phillips SAM series that has onboard flash and ram |
| 23:53.09 | MonMotha | neat, I should try to get it running on my z80 system I'm building |
| 23:53.20 | MonMotha | thoguh my z80 system is going to have more RAM than it supports, 24 bit virtual addresses |
| 23:53.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: cool, using a z8 ? |
| 23:53.49 | MonMotha | prpplague: nope, plain jane old-skool z80 :) |
| 23:53.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: cool |
| 23:54.01 | MonMotha | I'm wire-wrapping it on a perfboard |
| 23:54.07 | prpplague | wow |
| 23:54.10 | MonMotha | currently working out how I want to do all the DRAM |
| 23:54.18 | MonMotha | yeah, this was a "because I can" project |
| 23:54.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: btdt |
| 23:54.49 | prpplague | i love small z80 systems |
| 23:55.34 | prpplague | if i didn't need every last available brain cell to do my daily embedded work, i'd spend all my time playing with z80 |
| 23:57.30 | MonMotha | yeah, I need to learn the assembly, doesn't look too complicated |
| 23:57.55 | MonMotha | I just know way to many assembly languages a this point: 8051, i960, ARM, MIPS, TI 500x, IA-64 |