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| 10:29.41 | prpplague | see this is exactly whats wrong with our foster/adoption program in the states http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,157711,00.html |
| 10:30.30 | prpplague | it took me 3 years to adopt my son , this guy was fostering kids in 30 days |
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| 13:39.09 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, but, the story does not tell what age the guy is and whether or not he was 17..19 yrs old and possibly convicted of statutory rape of his 16yr old gf? |
| 13:39.51 | T0mW | prpplague: part of the problem, sometimes a HUGE part, is the news media itself. Anyone recall the OJ trial, raise your hand! |
| 13:42.05 | prpplague | T0mW: no i mean about foster care in general |
| 13:42.30 | prpplague | T0mW: in most states all you need is a DL and a one page form to become a foster parent |
| 13:42.32 | T0mW | prpplague: like I said, the news report ONLY reported one side |
| 13:42.39 | prpplague | T0mW: and when you foster a child you get paid |
| 13:43.24 | T0mW | aka: newsweek |
| 13:43.30 | prpplague | T0mW: but if you want to adopt the state treats you like a freakin psycho, they have all these background checks, parenting school, home inspections |
| 13:43.47 | prpplague | T0mW: they interview your friends and family |
| 13:44.20 | prpplague | T0mW: even have to go and get pyhsicals done |
| 13:45.39 | T0mW | prpplague: personally, I think it is silly that a father would even have to adopt his child(ren). IMO, that's the real issue. |
| 13:45.56 | prpplague | T0mW: so 1) why put a possibly troubled child in a temprary home where there has been no training, 2) why make it a finacial insentive to become a foster rather than adoptive |
| 13:46.01 | prpplague | T0mW: UH what? |
| 13:46.29 | T0mW | on the whole, men are at a legal disadvantage when it comes to issues of divorce, support, visitation, adoption of heirs, etc. |
| 13:46.47 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm talking about a standard adoptio |
| 13:46.50 | prpplague | adoption |
| 13:47.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I don't recall your situation, was the child your blood relation? |
| 13:47.29 | prpplague | T0mW: no |
| 13:47.55 | prpplague | T0mW: we adopted from within the state of texas system |
| 13:48.05 | T0mW | ah |
| 13:48.06 | prpplague | T0mW: unwed mother |
| 13:48.31 | prpplague | T0mW: the whole system is totally screwed |
| 13:49.00 | prpplague | T0mW: we knew ppl that did foster care just for the money |
| 13:49.09 | T0mW | yeah |
| 13:49.17 | prpplague | T0mW: feed the kids water and ramen noodles, and kept the money |
| 13:49.44 | T0mW | clothe them from the salvation army... |
| 13:50.41 | prpplague | T0mW: so my point is, why take ppl with no training, no background, and a dl, and pay them to take care of a child, when on the other hand, you have a family that wants to adopt and _they_ have to pay for the privilage and put up with the BS |
| 13:51.30 | prpplague | T0mW: you'd think the state would want to make it easy to take these children out of the welfare/cps budget |
| 13:51.31 | T0mW | IIRC, in the state of NJ, if something would have happened to my wife, I would have had to adopt my child. |
| 13:51.49 | prpplague | wow |
| 13:52.16 | T0mW | although it would have been a technical adoption, it would have had to be formally recognized that I was the father. |
| 13:52.29 | prpplague | T0mW: my total adoption bill was $49,549.00 |
| 13:52.36 | T0mW | not just the guy who had been living with the woman |
| 13:53.46 | T0mW | prpplague: you want to see a state which is out of control regarding child protection issues, try living in NJ. their DYFS (Division of Youth & Family Services) has God-like powers! |
| 13:55.03 | T0mW | prpplague: you recall that movie where the woman in Georgia had her children removed from her care, then put up for adoption, simply because she was widowed & poor white? |
| 13:55.24 | prpplague | yea, seems like i recall that |
| 13:55.49 | T0mW | yeah, well... |
| 13:56.10 | prpplague | T0mW: well, the other thing is, anyone can call and make an anonymous complaint, and they don't even bother checking out who it is |
| 13:56.24 | T0mW | yupper, welcome to New Jersey |
| 13:56.34 | TheCollector | that's pretty scary |
| 13:57.04 | prpplague | T0mW: during my divorce had CPS(child protective services) dropping in every other week |
| 13:58.10 | T0mW | what's even scarier was that my Nephew was born with a hearing impediment in which he could not properly speak. The school classified him as retarded, then DYFS got involved to see if their was indications of child abuse resulting in brain damage. |
| 13:58.30 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 13:59.01 | T0mW | It took my sister 5 years of fighting with the school pyschologists, school doctors, and DYFS before she found a doctor that properly diagnosed him. |
| 13:59.44 | prpplague | T0mW: i had a teacher at school complain to cps that my son was being feed, reason: he's on adhd meds that causes him to loose his appeitie |
| 14:00.08 | T0mW | the kid has a Complex Tonal deafness, he can hear individual sounds, but when they are mixed together, his brain loses hearing some of the tonal combinations. |
| 14:00.24 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:00.56 | prpplague | still my point being about the article is the fact that the foster care system is messed up |
| 14:02.06 | T0mW | prpplague: an just who sets the policies of that system? It is "we the people" and "we" just love to fsck into other peoples lives and correct "injustice". :( |
| 14:02.51 | T0mW | you cannot blame the system without realizing that we have the government we deserve |
| 14:03.02 | prpplague | T0mW: actually in texas the rule making for CPS is done by a commitee of appointed members |
| 14:03.47 | T0mW | CPS? Characters Per Second? |
| 14:03.57 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, well alot of the problem is that alot of ppl just don't care because it doesn't effect them on a daily basis |
| 14:04.04 | prpplague | Child Protective Services |
| 14:04.12 | prpplague | Child Protective Services =DYFS |
| 14:04.35 | T0mW | ah! heh |
| 14:05.06 | T0mW | prpplague: voter apathy, people don't care until someone starts pissing in their backyard |
| 14:05.11 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:05.19 | T0mW | then it is too late |
| 14:05.58 | T0mW | prpplague: sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't do what you have, move to another country with simplier lifestyle & laws. |
| 14:06.09 | prpplague | T0mW: it was illegal in texas up until a few years ago to place minority or mixed child into a white home |
| 14:06.31 | T0mW | see, now why does that not surprise me? |
| 14:07.15 | T0mW | gak |
| 14:07.15 | prpplague | in the early 90's they had all this PC crap |
| 14:08.06 | T0mW | don't get me started, I was at a meeting the other week where some a**h*le used the term s*nd-n*gg*r and no one objected |
| 14:08.45 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 14:09.17 | T0mW | now I am not one of those "politcally correctness" type people, but God knows, that is totally uncalled for, IMO. |
| 14:09.51 | T0mW | ok |
| 14:10.11 | T0mW | prpplague: how is the pixter going? |
| 14:10.50 | T0mW | prpplague: I see Timmy seems to be making progress on the zip-it |
| 14:14.15 | T0mW | chouimat: I apologize for having made noise this morning and waking you up |
| 14:14.18 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:14.47 | prpplague | T0mW: its not |
| 14:15.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm so far behind on this BSP that i'm about to have a nervous breakdown |
| 14:15.30 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, kick back, relax. It *always* takes longer. |
| 14:16.01 | T0mW | prpplague: when I do an estimate, I take the gut reaction time (what I think it will take), then double it and add 20%. |
| 14:16.12 | T0mW | I usually get it fairly close |
| 14:16.13 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, well, thats what i did |
| 14:16.25 | prpplague | T0mW: and now i'm like an addition 20% behind |
| 14:16.29 | T0mW | oooh, not much experience in that area then? |
| 14:16.47 | T0mW | then you just guessed the amount of time then |
| 14:16.56 | prpplague | T0mW: no normally i'm pretty accurate |
| 14:17.07 | T0mW | prpplague: sometimes you lose, but then next time... |
| 14:17.15 | prpplague | T0mW: and its nothing major, its just little crap |
| 14:17.20 | T0mW | prpplague: what you working on? |
| 14:17.22 | prpplague | T0mW: but there seems to be a ton of it |
| 14:17.45 | prpplague | T0mW: a small handheld for inventory control |
| 14:17.48 | T0mW | the LH400 ? |
| 14:17.50 | prpplague | T0mW: lh79520 based |
| 14:17.55 | T0mW | ah 520 |
| 14:18.05 | T0mW | linux + apps ? |
| 14:18.50 | T0mW | I ask because I know it was ARM, I have a job I'm looking over that would be linux + RTAI |
| 14:19.19 | prpplague | T0mW: i can give you much details, but lets just say its the next generation of this - http://www.barcodepower.com/m5000.asp |
| 14:19.25 | prpplague | s/can/can't |
| 14:19.27 | T0mW | I've been trying to clean up some junk around here that has needed doing, then I was thinking of pulling the 520 dev system off the shelf and start bringing that up. |
| 14:19.36 | T0mW | prpplague: np |
| 14:19.51 | prpplague | T0mW: so are you gonna use the 79520 for this arm project? |
| 14:20.08 | T0mW | prpplague: no, just to build frameworks with |
| 14:20.12 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:20.57 | T0mW | we wouldn't be at that stage for a while yet. They sent me the schematics under NDA and I have to look over what they currently have: 68030 based system. |
| 14:21.24 | T0mW | IIRC, 68030 has a hellish I/O processor capability |
| 14:21.51 | T0mW | their currently using PSOS and want to go open source |
| 14:22.05 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: You're messing with RTAI? |
| 14:22.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how did i know you were gonna ask |
| 14:22.30 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:22.35 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to foist this job off on somebody |
| 14:22.40 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton didn't seem interested enough |
| 14:22.54 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I've been following it since RT-HAL days, I did try some early RTAI stuff under uClinux. Nothing recent though |
| 14:23.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what do you expect with all the complaining you've been doing lately, ppl are gonna be afraid to hook up with the amd dev team, hehe |
| 14:23.27 | Crofton | Sorry, like I said, it isn't really something I think I would be really good at |
| 14:23.36 | T0mW | I understand the processes, but now I need to get into the details. So, yeah, I'm messing with it. |
| 14:23.55 | Crofton | and the next few weeks are craxy for me |
| 14:23.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: funny |
| 14:24.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but seriously, this is totally independent |
| 14:24.07 | T0mW | Crofton: what? You don't like banging bits? heh |
| 14:24.25 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: what platform? |
| 14:24.30 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: x86 I think |
| 14:24.31 | CosmicPenguin | intel |
| 14:24.32 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 14:24.38 | T0mW | :/ |
| 14:24.41 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: no, thats cool... :) |
| 14:25.20 | T0mW | yah, embedded x86 running 20watts for just the CPU. gak |
| 14:25.46 | prpplague | T0mW: geode |
| 14:25.51 | prpplague | T0mW: 3 watts |
| 14:25.53 | prpplague | or less |
| 14:25.56 | T0mW | umm |
| 14:26.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - the core doesn't beat 1.1 W |
| 14:26.53 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2872282951.html |
| 14:26.54 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I've got to look over the recent RTAI stuff to see what's what. But, that is something I'll be tinkering with in the upcoming weeks. |
| 14:26.59 | CosmicPenguin | s/beat/exceed/ |
| 14:27.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that says .9w |
| 14:27.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: oh, heh, thats right |
| 14:27.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I forgot we released that chip... :) |
| 14:27.55 | prpplague | T0mW: yea yea, we know those philips SoC's are nice |
| 14:28.03 | T0mW | heh, yessir! |
| 14:28.23 | T0mW | now, if they only kick the SRAM + Flash up to 2meg each... |
| 14:28.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: had any more fun with alchemy? |
| 14:28.33 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 14:28.37 | prpplague | T0mW: that would rock |
| 14:28.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I'm playing with it right now |
| 14:28.53 | prpplague | T0mW: i still want to port uzi to one of those SoC's |
| 14:28.59 | T0mW | I don't need an MMU, just give me a liiiittle bit more to work with and then put uClinux on it. |
| 14:29.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I told you I got one of these canceled boards with 5 NICs on board and a MiniPCI slot, right? |
| 14:29.36 | prpplague | i started work porting it, but haven't had to time to work much on it |
| 14:29.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 14:29.44 | T0mW | darn, that would be cool! uClinux running in a 64 pin package that measures 7mm square! |
| 14:30.00 | prpplague | T0mW: yep |
| 14:30.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm making it into a combination firewall / network bridge |
| 14:30.17 | T0mW | prpplague: we are going to get there sooner or later dude |
| 14:30.34 | prpplague | T0mW: still, i wish i could get more ppl interesting in updating uzi |
| 14:30.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: trying to show our Alchemy friends that there are alternate options to using Montavista binaries... :) |
| 14:30.52 | prpplague | hehehehehe |
| 14:31.03 | prpplague | don't let deepak here that |
| 14:31.23 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:32.01 | prpplague | T0mW: http://uzix.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=intro&lang=us |
| 14:33.32 | T0mW | I was thinking of using the 79520 for the RTAI investigation, that way I can evaluate performance there and can always kick it up to the faster LH7A400, if the lower speed system performance is acceptable... |
| 14:33.50 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:34.10 | prpplague | T0mW: we are concerned about using the 79520 on some of the more graphics intensive products |
| 14:34.17 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: as intriguing as the Geode RTAI is, I would not commit myself at this time until I can get into it more. |
| 14:34.21 | prpplague | T0mW: thats why we are looking for a good arm9 device |
| 14:34.27 | T0mW | yeah |
| 14:34.30 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: ok |
| 14:34.32 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't think we are gonna go with the a40x |
| 14:34.33 | chouimat | I spent yesterday trying to make something work and now it work I simply forgot a chown in the build process .... ARRRRGGG |
| 14:34.39 | prpplague | T0mW: sharp has been less than helpful |
| 14:34.40 | T0mW | everybody is looking for a good ARM9 device |
| 14:34.45 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: It has nothign to do with Geode, just some guy that e-mailed me thinking I still did consulting work |
| 14:35.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh |
| 14:35.15 | prpplague | T0mW: pb_ has been doing some work on the s3c2410 |
| 14:35.21 | prpplague | T0mW: sounds like a sweet chip |
| 14:35.51 | T0mW | I don't recognize the part |
| 14:35.59 | T0mW | samsung? |
| 14:36.36 | T0mW | yah, something tugged the old memory core with that part number... |
| 14:37.48 | T0mW | geez, 272 pin BGA. I've nobody I work with that does BGA. :( |
| 14:38.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 14:38.42 | prpplague | T0mW: iirc there is a lpga package as well |
| 14:38.48 | T0mW | what's that going to take? 8 / 9 layer board? |
| 14:39.06 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 14:39.09 | prpplague | T0mW: yea we are looking at 8 |
| 14:39.35 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, plus a darned good autorouter |
| 14:40.00 | prpplague | T0mW: our guy does it by hand |
| 14:40.17 | T0mW | that's a lot of traces to keep track of though |
| 14:40.22 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:40.35 | prpplague | he's really good at it though |
| 14:41.03 | T0mW | I've looked at doing 4 or 6 layer stuff, but 8 is pretty high for me |
| 14:42.23 | T0mW | alright, I've got to put the stuff about the Webpal IR keyboard interface on the website today and bring up the latest MythTV box. Get that out of the way. |
| 14:42.41 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, he had a trial by fire when he started, he was just out of school, the first week on the job, they had him laying out a dimm module with a sa-1110 bga package |
| 14:43.10 | T0mW | next up is to order parts in for the LPC chip design. Then extract those 68030 schematics to look at them. |
| 14:43.27 | T0mW | maybe next week sometime, I'll drag out the 79520 dev kit |
| 14:43.38 | prpplague | T0mW: let me know if you want code |
| 14:43.44 | prpplague | T0mW: its not the logic pd is it? |
| 14:43.54 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, gotta see what the kid can do, right? |
| 14:44.08 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, it is the logical dev kit |
| 14:44.26 | prpplague | T0mW: :( throw that POS in the trash |
| 14:44.30 | prpplague | T0mW: its worthless |
| 14:44.43 | T0mW | prpplague: agreed, but it is here... |
| 14:45.07 | T0mW | I need a BDM-2000 to do some of this stuff :( |
| 14:45.09 | prpplague | T0mW: i wouldn't even waste my time trying to dev on it |
| 14:45.24 | prpplague | T0mW: you;'d save alot of time by just ordering another board |
| 14:45.33 | T0mW | maybe |
| 14:45.53 | T0mW | prpplague: whats the biggest issue with it, the FPGA? |
| 14:46.12 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:46.46 | prpplague | T0mW: the whole board is designed to look friendly and open, but in truth they keep all the real info you need hidden |
| 14:46.52 | T0mW | I know, I'll get my friend Dave to send me one of the old prototypes he has lying around!!! |
| 14:46.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:47.02 | prpplague | soon |
| 14:47.20 | prpplague | T0mW: till then i'd suggest getting either a marmalade or a revely board |
| 14:47.32 | T0mW | He'll probably just trick me into helping him out with a paying job though |
| 14:47.52 | prpplague | T0mW: you should know me better than that |
| 14:47.53 | prpplague | :D |
| 14:48.07 | T0mW | prpplague: the Revely does look interesting, but the amount of I/O is very small |
| 14:48.47 | prpplague | T0mW: then i'd suggest the marmalade from earthlcd |
| 14:48.53 | T0mW | even if they just put some 2mm headers footprints that you could populate... |
| 14:48.58 | T0mW | think so? |
| 14:49.03 | T0mW | ok, will look at it |
| 14:49.13 | CosmicPenguin | mips.com can bite me |
| 14:49.34 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, well, for me you can't beat .1" headers, easy for prototyping |
| 14:50.07 | T0mW | well, 2mm is a lot easier to get anymore |
| 14:50.10 | Crofton | Mintel? |
| 14:50.14 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:50.24 | T0mW | MIPS is a four letter word |
| 14:50.39 | prpplague | T0mW: get maybe, work with, no |
| 14:50.43 | T0mW | ARM is three, must be better, more conservative |
| 14:50.50 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 14:51.04 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I was shocked at the price for 2mm cable |
| 14:51.37 | T0mW | prpplague: last time I bought 2mm cable it was $5/foot. now it is a lot more expensive! |
| 14:51.43 | T0mW | no, |
| 14:51.51 | T0mW | IIRC, it was $3/ft |
| 14:52.56 | T0mW | that was for 44 conductor |
| 14:53.44 | prpplague | T0mW: still, i like to use .1" for prototyping, its so easy to grab perf board |
| 14:53.56 | T0mW | it is |
| 14:54.21 | T0mW | I've been working with some FPC cable lately, 0.5mm pitch |
| 14:54.50 | T0mW | not much room for error |
| 14:55.05 | T0mW | oh, well |
| 15:03.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - I can't get through to oe-devel.bkbits.net via ssh - but everyone else can |
| 15:03.20 | CosmicPenguin | So I think they might have broken something in the proxy, but if I report it, then they'll know I 've been sshing through the proxy |
| 15:03.45 | T0mW | prpplague: heh |
| 15:03.50 | T0mW | [tom@huey tom]$ df |
| 15:03.50 | T0mW | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:03.50 | T0mW | /dev/hda1 788M 78M 711M 10% / |
| 15:03.50 | T0mW | /dev/mapper/Huey-1 834G 60G 774G 8% /DataStore |
| 15:04.15 | T0mW | I think I have enough room now to store some MythTV stuff? |
| 15:07.07 | Soopaman | T0mW, how many drves make up that 834gigs? |
| 15:08.04 | T0mW | four 250G drives in that box |
| 15:08.19 | T0mW | I call it "huey" |
| 15:10.29 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:10.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:11.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nice dilema |
| 15:15.14 | prpplague | jeeze leave it up to an end user to find completely impossible to break your code |
| 15:15.20 | *** part/#elinux thain (tsavola@ext-ssh.movial.fi) |
| 15:15.23 | prpplague | impossible conditions |
| 15:15.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: this is why we love end customers |
| 15:15.45 | prpplague | actually i should say "improbable conditions" |
| 15:16.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: customer is suppose to upgrade from version 1.2.16 to 1.3.0 before going to 1.3.1 |
| 15:16.55 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:17.03 | CosmicPenguin | this is the first time I've ever booted a mtd device in 2.6 |
| 15:17.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but nooooo,they go directly from 1.2.16 to 1.3.1 |
| 15:17.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and........ |
| 15:17.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: turned the system of during the upgrade |
| 15:19.32 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 15:19.34 | CosmicPenguin | buy-bye! |
| 15:26.12 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe have the software installer check for this? place a "will upgrade a version X.XX" into the new version so installer would enforce this? |
| 15:26.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, if they had been going from 1.3.0 to 1.3.1 i had code to handle a failed upgrade |
| 15:26.43 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, yea, tehe 1.3 series is where i took over |
| 15:26.55 | prpplague | T0mW: add a ton of error checking |
| 15:26.56 | T0mW | I've already been down that road |
| 15:27.43 | prpplague | T0mW: problem is because we specifically said you need to upgrade from 1.2.16 to 1.3.0 first i didn't include any recovery code |
| 15:28.57 | T0mW | successive upgrade path is a PITA for the end-user, but. Otherwise we'd be distro'ing stuff with accumulated patching, that would be a PITA for us |
| 15:30.04 | T0mW | tough to put a "smart" software installer into an embedded system so it will go out and fetch needed versions... |
| 15:30.24 | T0mW | aka Microsoft / Mandrake Update |
| 15:30.46 | T0mW | heh, never trust the end-user |
| 15:31.00 | T0mW | they often times don't know what they are doing |
| 15:32.07 | Genesis | can we blame them ... |
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| 15:46.47 | prpplague | Russ: mr.dill |
| 15:46.49 | cdm | morning. |
| 15:46.53 | prpplague | cdm: hey |
| 15:47.26 | prpplague | ~lart Russ for not spending more quality time on irc |
| 15:47.58 | cdm | Russ who? |
| 15:48.01 | CosmicPenguin | Mabye thats why he doesn't... :) |
| 15:48.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:48.33 | prpplague | ~Russ |
| 15:48.34 | ibot | russ is, like, on crack, or a poopyhead. |
| 15:48.39 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 15:48.44 | CosmicPenguin | Another reason to stay away |
| 15:49.15 | prpplague | ibot: forget Russ |
| 15:49.25 | prpplague | ibot: no Russ |
| 15:50.34 | prpplague | ibot: Russ is Russ Dill developer for udhcp and the associated modules modules in busybox |
| 15:50.35 | ibot | prpplague: what are you talking about? |
| 15:50.43 | prpplague | ibot: no Russ is Russ Dill developer for udhcp and the associated modules modules in busybox |
| 15:50.44 | ibot | prpplague: what are you talking about? |
| 15:50.57 | prpplague | ibot: Russ is "Russ Dill developer for udhcp and the associated modules modules in busybox" |
| 15:50.58 | ibot | ...but russ is already something else... |
| 15:51.04 | prpplague | ibot: no Russ is "Russ Dill developer for udhcp and the associated modules modules in busybox" |
| 15:51.05 | ibot | prpplague: okay |
| 15:51.53 | prpplague | ibot: Russ is also "a cool programmer who developed a mtd module for use with jtag" |
| 15:51.54 | ibot | prpplague: okay |
| 15:52.04 | prpplague | ~Russ |
| 15:52.05 | ibot | from memory, russ is "Russ Dill developer for udhcp and the associated modules modules in busybox", or "a cool programmer who developed a mtd module for use with jtag" |
| 15:56.56 | Russ | hey prpplague |
| 15:57.24 | Russ | they've been keepin' me pretty busy at work |
| 15:57.25 | sjhill | ~sjhill |
| 15:57.26 | ibot | you are probably mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com and a MIPS wh*re, or *the* slackey. |
| 15:57.44 | sjhill | sorphin |
| 15:57.48 | sjhill | twit |
| 15:59.06 | Russ | anyway, off to work |
| 15:59.20 | prpplague | Russ: later |
| 16:01.21 | prpplague | ibot: no sjhill is "mailto:sjhill@realitydiluted.com , any more info and some men in black suits will visit you!" |
| 16:01.22 | ibot | okay, prpplague |
| 16:02.12 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:02.35 | prpplague | sjhill: gonna make it to ols this year? |
| 16:02.43 | sjhill | yep |
| 16:02.47 | prpplague | nice |
| 16:02.54 | sjhill | i'm paid registration and Les Suites room reserved |
| 16:02.57 | prpplague | i'm planning to attend next year |
| 16:02.59 | sjhill | w00t! |
| 16:03.03 | sjhill | *snif* |
| 16:03.12 | sjhill | that sucks you won't be there this year |
| 16:03.15 | prpplague | sjhill: budget is a little low this year due to the move |
| 16:03.25 | sjhill | ah, k |
| 16:03.40 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, i still think we need to have a elinux-miniconf here in barbados |
| 16:03.53 | sjhill | heck yeah! |
| 16:03.58 | sjhill | i'm in |
| 16:10.22 | prpplague | wow mapquest has a fairly good map of barbados |
| 16:13.14 | CosmicPenguin | damn sjhill - popin' in and out |
| 16:14.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:15.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep, everyone is so busy with their daily work these day |
| 16:15.02 | prpplague | s |
| 16:18.27 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 16:18.28 | CosmicPenguin | life |
| 16:18.58 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 16:19.00 | CosmicPenguin | frickin xorg |
| 16:20.44 | jacques | what they do? |
| 16:21.32 | CosmicPenguin | Its just being a pain in my butt today |
| 16:23.04 | *** part/#elinux ade|desk (~adavey@194.200.143.249) |
| 16:23.48 | CosmicPenguin | To get it to cross compile correctly, you need to stand one one leg, wave a dead chicken with the other and chant the Getteysburg Address |
| 16:26.35 | jacques | aaah, you're cross-compiling it, now I understand :-) |
| 16:28.43 | prpplague | here some thing for you UK folk - http://www.nationnews.com/story/283382486005718.php |
| 16:31.43 | Genesis | ho Sgt-Donan ;) |
| 16:33.52 | T0mW | there is a Right Way, a Wrong Way, then there is the NVidia Way |
| 16:36.00 | prpplague | mmmm, i think someone is gonna be in trouble - http://www.nationnews.com/285356700039136.php |
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| 18:57.07 | T0mW | ~bitchslap T0mW |
| 18:57.08 | ibot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of T0mW |
| 18:58.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you here? |
| 18:58.27 | CosmicPenguin | never mind |
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| 19:06.09 | CosmicPenguin | I must be getting old |
| 19:06.33 | CosmicPenguin | I'm arguing against being the knight in shining armor who runs around fixing everybody's problems |
| 19:16.33 | TheCollector | CosmicPenguin: the problem w/ being the white knoght is that then you never get your porblems fixed cause you're so busy |
| 19:16.33 | TheCollector | *knight |
| 19:16.45 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly |
| 19:17.09 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, if the company cannot support a technical staff so that engineers get pulled into every little thing, then the engineers will eventually fail anyway |
| 19:17.44 | TheCollector | yep - sometimes it just doesn't pay to be the nice guy |
| 19:18.32 | CosmicPenguin | oh, well |
| 19:18.34 | TheCollector | Wingnut in #ol is sharp as a knife, but has trouble getting stuff done cause dumb people like me are always asking questions |
| 19:19.21 | CosmicPenguin | I would much rather write quality code, and sell chips by being good community participants rather then write crappy code and keep customers by fighting fires |
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| 19:20.18 | TheCollector | howdy, TimRiker |
| 19:22.39 | CosmicPenguin | oh, how I've missed it |
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| 19:27.33 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: get that ABI thing fixed in mipsel yet? |
| 19:27.35 | CosmicPenguin | s/fixed/tested/ |
| 19:31.33 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: not yet |
| 19:31.44 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: working on mips this morning though |
| 19:31.45 | andersee | err |
| 19:31.59 | andersee | I suppose it is afternoon now |
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| 19:33.50 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: nice |
| 19:34.03 | CosmicPenguin | I'll have to kick off an svn build then |
| 19:44.33 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: will need to 'svn up' after I get it fixed though... |
| 19:45.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 19:45.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what up? |
| 19:45.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ssdd |
| 19:45.57 | prpplague | <CosmicPenguin> prpplague: you here? |
| 19:46.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I then said, never mind |
| 19:46.43 | prpplague | oh ok |
| 19:46.47 | CosmicPenguin | thanks for asking though |
| 19:46.51 | prpplague | np |
| 19:47.14 | prpplague | man the coffee lately has been making my heart race |
| 19:51.43 | CosmicPenguin | down there, who knows? |
| 19:52.13 | TheCollector | anyone have a suggestion on a good C book? |
| 19:52.37 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno - I thought the Bourne Surprmacy was a C book |
| 19:52.38 | CosmicPenguin | Mabye a B- |
| 19:52.54 | TheCollector | haha |
| 19:53.34 | prpplague | TheCollector: depends on what you want to learn |
| 19:53.42 | prpplague | TheCollector: or just use it as a reference |
| 19:54.23 | TheCollector | prpplague: I need a general C book - I know a little java, but no C |
| 19:54.31 | prpplague | k&r |
| 19:54.49 | prpplague | TheCollector: gonna be working on linux os with c? |
| 19:55.03 | TheCollector | yes - very much so |
| 19:55.09 | prpplague | ok one sec |
| 19:56.00 | CosmicPenguin | oreilly, oreilly, oreilly |
| 19:56.00 | prpplague | TheCollector: this the defact standard c book for most of the oss ppl http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0131103628/qid=1117137319/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-0698007-7396822 |
| 19:56.16 | prpplague | TheCollector: generally refered to as k&r |
| 19:56.22 | TheCollector | thanks |
| 19:57.02 | prpplague | TheCollector: this one covers the specific functions available to linux - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201308215/qid=1117137392/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-0698007-7396822 |
| 19:57.58 | prpplague | TheCollector: this one helps understanding good programming techniques |
| 19:58.01 | prpplague | TheCollector: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201657880/qid=1117137442/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-0698007-7396822 |
| 19:58.51 | TheCollector | cool - now i just need to wait for the next paycheck ;) |
| 19:58.53 | prpplague | TheCollector: and this one is for basically good thinking about programing projects - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/020161586X/qid=1117137493/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-0698007-7396822 |
| 19:59.13 | prpplague | TheCollector: these are the four books that _alot_ professionals have on their desk |
| 19:59.24 | TheCollector | excellent |
| 19:59.36 | prpplague | did i miss any? |
| 19:59.44 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't follow the urls |
| 19:59.45 | TheCollector | eep - time for a meeting |
| 19:59.49 | CosmicPenguin | did you includ the stevens books? |
| 19:59.53 | TheCollector | thanks, prpplague |
| 20:00.07 | prpplague | TheCollector: np |
| 20:00.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which one is that? |
| 20:01.19 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201563177/qid=1117137649/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-7790632-8955129?v=glance&s=books |
| 20:01.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: uh, i'm thinking that this cover is perfect - http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0735621721.01._PE34_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg |
| 20:01.35 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201633469/qid=1117137649/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-7790632-8955129?v=glance&s=books |
| 20:01.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i don't have that one |
| 20:01.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see that cover? |
| 20:02.08 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 20:02.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: place nuts here |
| 20:02.24 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 20:14.59 | [g2] | Hey I just wanted to drop in and say the Nokia 770 is a *bold* move and congrats to anyone assisting on making that happen! |
| 20:17.50 | chouimat|busy | the one that use the gtk crap? |
| 20:18.32 | [g2] | chouimat|busy, it's just a first step |
| 20:18.53 | chouimat|busy | [g2]: ok ... I hope ... |
| 20:18.54 | [g2] | The big news is a major embracing the community and concept |
| 20:19.14 | [g2] | and supplying hw at a reasonable cost |
| 20:19.29 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: ping |
| 20:19.37 | kergoth | chouimat|busy: pong |
| 20:19.50 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: I just got the new Dream Theater album ... |
| 20:19.57 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart chouimat|busy |
| 20:20.00 | kergoth | how is it? |
| 20:20.08 | CosmicPenguin | If it was using KDE, it wouldn't have even gotten of fthe ground |
| 20:20.08 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: heavy |
| 20:20.26 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: use what you want :) |
| 20:20.35 | [g2] | hey kergoth ! |
| 20:20.48 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:21.17 | [g2] | kergoth, I'll ping you in OE about a world build with my custom knoppix dvd |
| 20:23.17 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: and with a 23 minutes song |
| 20:23.48 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a lot of music |
| 20:23.53 | kergoth | chouimat|busy: heh, cool, will have to check it out |
| 20:24.09 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: out in 2 weeks ... check torrent sites :) |
| 20:24.21 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: the 115MB is the good one |
| 20:25.36 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: I have an album with 1 song (ok 2 albums) 1 is a 60 minutes one and the other is a 75 minutes song |
| 20:25.57 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|busy: I have a few like that, but they are live jamband albums |
| 20:26.52 | CosmicPenguin | You kind of expect the dead to go off for a while |
| 20:26.52 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: progressive stuff ... but the 75 minutes one is experimental stuff from Fantomas (Mike Patton,Dave Lombardo) completely weird |
| 20:33.25 | fishhead | HOOTERS FLIGHT ATTENDANTS? HELL YEAH! |
| 20:34.06 | prpplague | kergoth: hey crack whore, i guess you made it to yankee territory ok |
| 20:34.37 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, long crappy drive, but.. |
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| 20:46.30 | prpplague | TimRiker: re |
| 20:48.38 | prpplague | kergoth`bbl: get back here! |
| 20:50.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:51.52 | [g2] | TimRiker, how's the zipit hacking going ? |
| 20:54.24 | prpplague | [g2]: hardware wise we are waiting on an autopsy |
| 20:54.50 | [g2] | well the money was raised like a week ago or more right ? |
| 20:55.12 | TimRiker | fun fun. did a userspace reflash, and a serial recovery. the windoes upl.exe didn't work at all, but cat, hexedit and minicom saved the day. ;-) |
| 20:55.41 | [g2] | Cool |
| 20:57.35 | TimRiker | I then reflashed a number of other zipits from userspace with the one I got working on mine. Fun stuff. |
| 20:57.53 | [g2] | ah.. it was the server :) |
| 20:58.09 | [g2] | that's actually be pretty funny. |
| 20:58.44 | [g2] | anytime someone powers on their Zipit if you've got the right firmware nearby... It phones home and ... boom |
| 20:59.52 | TimRiker | boom? |
| 21:00.11 | [g2] | well you could download your firmware to the device right ? |
| 21:00.41 | TimRiker | ah. true. but they would know is was getting an "update". |
| 21:01.13 | [g2] | and they take lots of actions when that occurs now right :) |
| 21:01.18 | TimRiker | and I've not gone through the effort to re-encrypt a new "update" so I use the userspace "zflash" tool at present. |
| 21:01.30 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:02.25 | TimRiker | could make an "update" that didn't look any different but has telnet so you can get in and hack on it. But until we have persistant storage, there's not a lot of point in that. |
| 21:02.50 | [g2] | need that sdio 512 mmc card hack :) |
| 21:02.55 | [g2] | hence the autopsy |
| 21:02.55 | TimRiker | you could have it email thier IM info to some mailing list or irc channel pretty easily. =/ |
| 21:40.32 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 23:04.57 | T0mW | prpplague: ow! $42 for the C "blue book" ? |
| 23:06.13 | CosmicPenguin | They've got you by the balls, and they know it |
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