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06:21.24 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: AHOY |
06:27.09 | hardwire | meh.. tomorrow |
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14:22.04 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
14:22.08 | prpplague | merry freakin wed. |
14:42.29 | pb_ | g'day prpplague |
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15:04.11 | prpplague | pb_: howdy |
15:04.20 | prpplague | pb_: whats cookin? you get the office settled? |
15:12.28 | pb_ | prpplague: still working on it. |
15:15.15 | prpplague | pb_: isn't moving fun? |
15:16.58 | chouimat | morning |
15:17.52 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
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15:22.10 | CosmicPenguin | Yoyoyo |
15:27.25 | pb_ | prpplague: heh, that's one word for it. |
15:27.47 | pb_ | electrics are nearly done now: they're pulling the last of the data cables today. |
15:31.15 | prpplague | pb_: hehe, fun fun |
15:31.32 | prpplague | pb_: hehe instead of moving down the block, try moving overseas |
15:34.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you're good to go, though, right? |
15:34.49 | pb_ | prpplague: heh, right. are you all set to ship out? |
15:34.53 | CosmicPenguin | All you have left is to get on the plane and wave the middle finger at the rest of us? |
15:37.12 | prpplague | pb_ / CosmicPenguin about 95% done |
15:37.21 | prpplague | hehe |
15:37.26 | pb_ | heh, cool |
15:37.32 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
15:37.40 | prpplague | pb_: hey we are considering using a miniSD on one of our projects |
15:37.48 | prpplague | pb_: you got any experience with it? |
15:40.36 | pb_ | sorry, none at al |
15:40.37 | pb_ | l |
15:40.55 | prpplague | pb_: hehe |
15:41.21 | prpplague | pb_: we are kinda stuck at the momment on the design |
15:41.33 | prpplague | maybe some of you guys could provide some feedback |
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15:41.45 | prpplague | sjhill: lo |
15:41.56 | sjhill | hello |
15:42.03 | prpplague | at this point in the game, we have a working version of the board with a mmc socket |
15:42.16 | prpplague | but the SD sockets are too big for the design |
15:42.19 | prpplague | so..... |
15:42.29 | sjhill | hacksaw |
15:42.32 | prpplague | we are stuck with either going with strictly mmc or going with miniSD |
15:42.38 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
15:42.50 | prpplague | sjhill: trustme, the board is _way_ small already |
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15:43.46 | prpplague | the miniSD has the same functionality as a regular SD card, just smaller |
15:43.55 | prpplague | they are a few dollars more expensive |
15:44.07 | pb_ | yeah, I had a flyer from Hirose the other day that talked about miniSD connectors. |
15:44.50 | pb_ | they look fine to me. |
15:45.52 | prpplague | pb_: oh yea? got a url for them? i was looking at sockets now |
15:46.07 | pb_ | www.hirose.com, I think |
15:46.10 | pb_ | or www.hirose-connectors.com, maybe |
15:46.39 | pb_ | minisd is their "dm2" series. |
15:46.53 | prpplague | thanks |
15:49.13 | prpplague | pb_: interesting , they have the dm1 but not the dm2 on their web site |
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15:54.52 | pb_ | I guess their site must be out of date. |
15:55.22 | pb_ | These things were in their "new products" brochure about a week ago, so maybe they haven't made it into the main catalogue yet. |
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15:56.11 | prpplague | pb_: ahh |
15:56.18 | prpplague | pb_: did they have any pricing info? |
15:56.43 | pb_ | no, not in the thing I saw. |
15:56.52 | pb_ | I guess you'd have to call the US distributor for that. |
15:57.48 | prpplague | yea |
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16:36.19 | CP|Laptop | http://www.i4u.com/article3075.html |
16:59.22 | prpplague | wahoo!! we found some sd sockets that fit |
17:01.54 | pb_ | prpplague: rock |
17:03.34 | prpplague | good for zipit hacking too, since its footprint is super small |
17:04.44 | prpplague | i still think minisd would rock in the zipit |
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17:29.42 | fishhead | you guys see the slashdot article today |
17:29.44 | fishhead | on portables |
17:29.48 | fishhead | I have a hx-20 sleeping in pieces |
17:30.04 | fishhead | mint from store but it say for 20+ yrs so the batts were rotted out and it was covered in filth dust |
17:30.10 | fishhead | I never got chance to put it back together |
18:10.09 | Sgt-Donan | re |
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18:44.21 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.zoneminder.com/ |
18:44.36 | CosmicPenguin | That looks quite professional for an GPLed product |
19:06.53 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: if that thing will record motion-jpeg... I've been looking for a good solution to the AXIS 2100 cameras we have |
19:07.28 | T0mW | it really looks good though |
19:11.18 | T0mW | The guy must live in East LA to have that many cameras around his home |
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19:12.15 | prpplague | any makefile guru's awake? |
19:12.26 | sjhill | do you think we'd would admit it? |
19:12.40 | prpplague | hehe |
19:12.57 | T0mW | prpplague: just ask your dumb question, lackey |
19:13.04 | prpplague | hehe |
19:13.34 | prpplague | whats the variable that references the argument passed to the make command |
19:13.36 | prpplague | ? |
19:14.02 | prpplague | i.e. "make all" , what would reference the "all" ? |
19:14.05 | kergoth | "the argument"? |
19:14.06 | kergoth | ah |
19:14.09 | kergoth | thats the make _target_ |
19:14.17 | kergoth | there are a number of variables for the commandline stuff |
19:14.23 | T0mW | oh, this was a trick question! |
19:14.39 | sjhill | $@ |
19:14.40 | prpplague | hehe, i'm terrible at make |
19:14.57 | kergoth | no, $@ refers to the matching rule |
19:15.07 | sjhill | $< |
19:15.07 | kergoth | i.e if all: otherthing |
19:15.10 | kergoth | in otherthing: |
19:15.12 | kergoth | $@ is otherthing. |
19:15.13 | kergoth | not all. |
19:15.20 | kergoth | prpplague: what exactly are you asking? |
19:15.26 | kergoth | what are you trying to do? |
19:16.12 | prpplague | kergoth: i need to have some different cflags depending on which make target i've issued |
19:16.30 | prpplague | kergoth: better yet, can you just recommend a good makefile howto? |
19:16.39 | prpplague | kergoth: no sense in me pestering you guys |
19:16.43 | T0mW | there is some target dependant var declarations in make |
19:16.43 | kergoth | the online documentation on the gnu site is an excellent reference. |
19:16.50 | T0mW | info make |
19:17.14 | kergoth | prpplague: there are a number of ways to accomplish that. |
19:17.16 | kergoth | one is: |
19:17.21 | kergoth | mytarget: VAR=value |
19:17.29 | kergoth | which causes VAR to be set to 'value' for mytarget |
19:17.39 | kergoth | but also, for all of mytarget's dependencies, and anything that depends on mytarget as well |
19:17.46 | kergoth | so as you can see, it leaks all over the place |
19:17.51 | Crofton_ | http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html |
19:17.55 | kergoth | yeah |
19:18.13 | prpplague | kergoth: interesting, i thought i tried that, maybe i had a typo |
19:18.19 | kergoth | thats all you can have |
19:18.22 | kergoth | mytarget: VAR=value |
19:18.23 | kergoth | thats it. |
19:18.27 | kergoth | nothign else |
19:18.27 | T0mW | yeah! |
19:18.46 | kergoth | mytarget: VAR=value .. then, elsewhere.. the real rule for mytarget |
19:19.15 | kergoth | but yeah, you need to be quite careful with that. |
19:19.27 | kergoth | you could also just conditionally set CFLAGS based on the actual commandline arguments |
19:19.34 | kergoth | there are a number of ways to pull off what you're trying to do |
19:19.58 | T0mW | yeah, you could include based on target |
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19:20.02 | Crofton_ | Some of which are quite horrorfying .... |
19:20.08 | kergoth | hehe |
19:20.28 | T0mW | agreed |
19:20.45 | T0mW | and sometimes you wonder just WTF is happening |
19:21.21 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i was gonna do conditional on the command line |
19:21.24 | kergoth | make has a 'trace' function. |
19:21.27 | kergoth | quite useful |
19:21.30 | T0mW | does? |
19:21.35 | kergoth | if _really_ _really_ _really_ verbose |
19:21.45 | kergoth | so verbose, that you have to spend a great deal of time trying to make sense of it |
19:21.49 | kergoth | but at least it has it |
19:24.40 | T0mW | ooo! I didn't know about the "override" keyword! |
19:25.19 | kergoth | thats a useful one, but its rather ugly |
19:25.27 | kergoth | i try to avoid it unless theres no other way |
19:25.33 | kergoth | even so, i mention it on http://www.openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Buildsystems_2fRulesOfThumb |
19:25.36 | kergoth | heh |
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19:36.45 | Sgt-Donan | anyone had MTD devices worked on a old m68k board ? |
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19:45.33 | prpplague | cdm: hey, where are your folks stay in barbados? |
19:48.27 | prpplague | hehe, i'm having zero luck with this makefile. hehe, i'm makefile challenged |
19:57.21 | sjhill | make SRC=prpplague clue |
20:03.07 | cdm | prpplague: not really sure. They rent a little apt for 3-4 weeks each year. |
20:09.09 | prpplague | cdm: hehe, yea thats the best bet |
20:09.17 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe i wish it was that easy |
20:09.25 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, i got it working though |
20:09.59 | sjhill | good |
20:10.18 | prpplague | sjhill: never could get it to work with $< |
20:10.35 | prpplague | sjhill: finally just did a ifdef on one of the variables |
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21:30.34 | CosmicPenguin | prplague: you listening to groove salad? |
21:30.40 | CosmicPenguin | I really like this song playing right now |
21:33.13 | fishhead | I love groove salad |
21:33.17 | fishhead | I dream to that station every night |
21:34.40 | prplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, been too busy |
21:35.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how long ago? |
21:42.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just a few songs ago |
21:42.53 | CosmicPenguin | I love this station though |
21:46.28 | Sgt-Donan | is it possible to boot on an EEPROM ? |
21:46.43 | Sgt-Donan | the root filesystem |
22:11.34 | CosmicPenguin | I hold in my hands, a box for file |
22:12.27 | file[laptop] | what's in it? |
22:13.16 | ljp | pandora |
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22:15.36 | CosmicPenguin | No silly, pandora wasn't in the box, she opened the box |
22:17.02 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: I'll have this bad boy posted tomorrow morning |
22:17.13 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: what's in it... details, specs, blah |
22:18.53 | CosmicPenguin | Its a surprise |
22:18.56 | CosmicPenguin | like christmas in March |
22:18.58 | file[laptop] | uh huh |
22:21.01 | Sgt-Donan | good night |
22:21.35 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: yes |
22:21.47 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: it is possible to boot on an eeprom from some devices |
22:21.55 | Sgt-Donan | yes ? |
22:22.12 | Sgt-Donan | on a mvme 162 m68040 board ? |
22:22.25 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: i'm not familair with that board |
22:22.35 | Sgt-Donan | ok |
22:22.40 | Sgt-Donan | but it's possible ? |
22:22.57 | Sgt-Donan | how does it work ? |
22:23.17 | Sgt-Donan | a /dev/mtdblock0 |
22:23.22 | Sgt-Donan | or something ? |
22:23.39 | Sgt-Donan | or it's only for flash memory ? |
22:24.28 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: i'm sorry, i'm confused, you said boot, "/dev/mtdblock" implies "boot linux" |
22:24.44 | Sgt-Donan | yes sorry |
22:25.16 | Sgt-Donan | (i'm french and i don't choose the good words sometimes) |
22:25.21 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: so you want to have linux in an eeprom? |
22:25.28 | Sgt-Donan | yes |
22:25.38 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: i don't recall having seen an eeprom that size |
22:25.51 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: why would you want to use an eeprom instead of flash? |
22:25.55 | Sgt-Donan | i have create a cramfs root filesystem |
22:26.22 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: i don't see you getting a kernel and ramdisk smaller than 2mb |
22:26.24 | Sgt-Donan | i'm a student a it's a part of my project |
22:26.33 | Sgt-Donan | i get it :) |
22:26.50 | Sgt-Donan | 240K the / filesystem |
22:27.02 | Sgt-Donan | and 800K for the kernel |
22:27.19 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: ok and bootloader? |
22:27.39 | Sgt-Donan | i think i get precise an adress |
22:27.45 | Sgt-Donan | i can |
22:28.06 | Sgt-Donan | i have the memory mapping of the board |
22:28.16 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: so still the cost of a 1mb eeprom is gonna excedded that of implemmenting a 2mb flash |
22:28.28 | Sgt-Donan | yes it's possible |
22:28.56 | Sgt-Donan | at my school we have eeprom but not flash |
22:29.12 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: so whats the project? |
22:29.37 | Sgt-Donan | i have to control 4 axes of a motor |
22:29.59 | Sgt-Donan | i have to make asservissements |
22:30.29 | Sgt-Donan | with a arm robot |
22:30.37 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: i think you will find, you will spend more time trying to make eeprom work than the minor cost of getting flash |
22:30.49 | Sgt-Donan | sure |
22:31.06 | Sgt-Donan | i will ask my professor to get some flash device |
22:31.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what is the shipping policy for canda? |
22:31.53 | Sgt-Donan | if i have a flash device i only do a root=/dev/mtdblock0 ? |
22:32.01 | CosmicPenguin | Do I need an export license or anything to send a loaner to file? |
22:33.09 | Sgt-Donan | this is my board : http://www.esiee.fr/~info/a2si/Architecture/Kits/40/mvme162lx.html |
22:34.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no idea, i've never been able to ship anything there, it always get confiscated or returned |
22:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - so you wouldn't be the right person to ask |
22:35.13 | Sgt-Donan | prpplague ? |
22:35.40 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: can I run asterisk on it?!? |
22:36.12 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: you have the optional flash module for it? |
22:36.38 | Sgt-Donan | i have a 2.6 kernel |
22:36.45 | Sgt-Donan | i don't know |
22:36.58 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: man that is gonna be a hard hack |
22:37.24 | Sgt-Donan | :( |
22:37.35 | prpplague | 3 cartes MVME 162LX-263a = 25 Mhz MC68040, 16 MB ECC DRAM, SCSI/Ethernet, 128KB SRAM, 1MB Flash |
22:37.35 | prpplague | 1 carte MVME 162LX-253a = 25 Mhz MC68LC040 16 MB ECC DRAM, SCSI/Ethernet, 128KB SRAM, 1MB Flash |
22:37.35 | prpplague | 8 cartes MVME 162LX-213a = 25 Mhz MC68LC040 4 MB Parity DRAM, SCSI/Ethernet, 128KB SRAM, 1MB Flash |
22:37.48 | Sgt-Donan | i'm working on it since 1 month |
22:37.59 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: hehe, gonna be a lot more than that |
22:38.03 | Sgt-Donan | now i run busybox + 2.6 kernel via NFS |
22:38.24 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: which unit are you using? |
22:38.46 | prpplague | sgt all the one there say 1mb flash? |
22:38.53 | Sgt-Donan | yes |
22:39.30 | Sgt-Donan | i have MVME 162LX-213a without SCSI and 4Mo of memory |
22:39.40 | prpplague | and 1 MB flash? |
22:40.00 | Sgt-Donan | i don't think so |
22:40.09 | Sgt-Donan | but i will look for it |
22:40.26 | Sgt-Donan | i thought it was for another thing |
22:40.27 | prpplague | 1 Moctets de mémoire FLASH ; |
22:40.39 | Sgt-Donan | but if i can use it i could be great |
22:41.16 | Sgt-Donan | where is it on the board |
22:42.15 | prpplague | one sec |
22:46.34 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: 28F008SA intel |
22:46.45 | Sgt-Donan | ok |
22:46.56 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: yea, you can populate the 4 eprom sockets with up to 1mb x 8 chips |
22:47.42 | Sgt-Donan | is it possible to split in 2 roms of 512k ? |
22:48.01 | Sgt-Donan | or it's very hard ? |
22:48.04 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: i do not under stand what you are asking |
22:48.13 | Sgt-Donan | sorry :/ |
22:48.35 | Sgt-Donan | my kernel and my root filesystem takes ~1M |
22:48.49 | Sgt-Donan | i have 2 eeprom |
22:48.54 | Sgt-Donan | of 512K |
22:49.12 | prpplague | 512kb x 8 or 512KB ? |
22:49.34 | Sgt-Donan | 512Kbytes |
22:49.52 | prpplague | ok so you have 2 512kb chips? |
22:49.58 | Sgt-Donan | yes |
22:50.29 | Sgt-Donan | it's possible to split my filesystem and put it on the 2 eeproms ? |
22:50.41 | Sgt-Donan | or it's too much complex |
22:50.46 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: will you be running out of flash or in ram? |
22:51.16 | Sgt-Donan | running out ? |
22:51.24 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: thing is, if you kernel+rootfs is less than 1mb , why not just use the intel flash? |
22:51.34 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: put your bootloader in the eprom |
22:51.39 | Sgt-Donan | yes i could |
22:51.56 | Sgt-Donan | but i don't know if i have one |
22:52.06 | Sgt-Donan | i will look friday |
22:52.18 | Sgt-Donan | or tomorrow |
22:52.37 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: all the mvme 162lx series come with 1mb flash according to the datasheet |
22:52.53 | prpplague | http://www-clips.imag.fr/projet-systeme/mvme162/162lxpgd.pdf |
22:52.54 | Sgt-Donan | it's perfect so. |
22:53.07 | Sgt-Donan | yes i have one :) |
22:53.52 | Sgt-Donan | if it's possible i should be great |
22:53.57 | Sgt-Donan | it |
22:54.15 | Sgt-Donan | thx you very much prpplague |
22:54.38 | Sgt-Donan | i will tell you if it worked |
22:55.20 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: yes? |
22:55.26 | Sgt-Donan | do you know what are the modules for it ? |
22:55.49 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: sorry no, but it should be supported |
22:55.56 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: thats a pretty common chip |
22:56.28 | Sgt-Donan | cool :) |
22:58.05 | Sgt-Donan | jedec_probe.c |
22:58.11 | Sgt-Donan | it's in |
23:01.01 | Sgt-Donan | ok good night |
23:06.36 | file3 | CosmicPenguin, DETAILS! |
23:07.32 | file[laptop] | paleez |
23:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: ok... :) |
23:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | Basically, you're getting one of these: http://www.dtresearch.com/prod_webDT166CE.html |
23:08.55 | file[laptop] | nifty |
23:09.31 | CosmicPenguin | Without the CE of course |
23:10.50 | CosmicPenguin | Drivers are available on the web, and I recommend that you go out and get a 50 pin IDE cable -> CF adapter |
23:11.26 | file[laptop] | this is going to be very very fun |
23:15.11 | CosmicPenguin | Data sheets are fully available |
23:15.58 | file[laptop] | my touchpad is going wonky... |
23:29.49 | *** join/#elinux eggsMTS (~eggers@cpe-70-112-81-8.austin.res.rr.com) |
23:40.50 | prpplague | ok folks, i'm out of here |
23:41.02 | prpplague | see you guys later(from a barbados IP) |