| 00:31.59 | cdm | ool? |
| 00:50.50 | prpplague | cdm: sorry, cool runnings |
| 00:51.15 | prpplague | cdm: about the jamiacan bobseld team |
| 00:51.18 | cdm | ah. |
| 00:51.50 | prpplague | i love an underdog movie |
| 00:55.25 | prpplague | hehe i've done alot of things in my 35 years, but the next 4 weeks are gonna be the longest ever |
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| 02:09.12 | sjhill | wth is sorphin |
| 02:09.17 | sjhill | good gried, it's like he has a life or something |
| 02:09.22 | sjhill | grief even |
| 02:11.46 | GvzEvxre | gpl source for the juicebox? |
| 02:13.32 | sjhill | what kind of fricking nick is that? |
| 02:13.47 | sjhill | you get an A+ for using /dev/urandom |
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| 02:16.41 | GvzEvxre | ibot: rot13 GvzEvxre |
| 02:16.41 | ibot | TimRiker |
| 02:17.04 | GvzEvxre | ibot: rot13 sjhill |
| 02:17.04 | ibot | fwuvyy |
| 02:17.17 | GvzEvxre | ooh fwuvyy |
| 02:17.18 | sjhill | lol |
| 02:17.40 | sjhill | ibot: rot12 sjhill |
| 02:17.47 | sjhill | lame |
| 02:17.58 | GvzEvxre | heh. there is no rot12. ;-) patches welcome. |
| 02:18.07 | sjhill | :) |
| 02:18.21 | file | helllllllo |
| 02:19.01 | sjhill | hey file |
| 02:19.20 | file | hi Mr. Hill |
| 02:21.25 | kergoth | ibot: rot13 kergoth |
| 02:21.25 | ibot | xretbgu |
| 02:21.34 | kergoth | hey file, sjhill, GvzEvxre |
| 02:21.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:34.54 | file64 | c'mon people, I know you are there |
| 02:36.11 | sjhill | ~~~~ |
| 02:36.41 | file64 | that's better |
| 02:38.18 | file64 | how are you? |
| 02:42.16 | sjhill | i have an irix binary executing under linux |
| 02:42.39 | sjhill | pretty cool |
| 02:44.55 | sjhill | mhuwhahahahahaha |
| 02:44.59 | sjhill | perfect |
| 02:45.04 | file64 | ah |
| 02:45.08 | file64 | disturbing |
| 02:45.11 | sjhill | looks like i need to fix that irix syscall in the linux kernel |
| 02:45.12 | sjhill | hold on |
| 02:45.31 | sjhill | swarm:/usr/gnemul/irix# ./usr/sbin/distcp |
| 02:45.31 | sjhill | usage: distcp |
| 02:45.31 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.31 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.31 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.33 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.36 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.38 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.41 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.43 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.46 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.48 | sjhill | that's an irix binary running btw |
| 02:45.52 | file64 | ooooooooooh |
| 02:46.06 | sjhill | sorry for the c&p |
| 02:46.10 | sjhill | i'm just excited |
| 02:54.31 | GvzEvxre | ibot: reload |
| 02:54.31 | ibot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (n required) |
| 02:54.47 | TimRiker | ibot: reload |
| 02:54.47 | ibot | reloading... |
| 02:54.48 | ibot | reloaded: IrcHooks.pl CommandStubs.pl Irc.pl UserExtra.pl |
| 02:55.06 | TimRiker | ibot: rot12 sjhill |
| 02:55.06 | ibot | evtuxx |
| 02:55.10 | TimRiker | happy? |
| 02:55.21 | TimRiker | ibot: rot13 sjhill |
| 02:55.21 | ibot | fwuvyy |
| 02:55.25 | TimRiker | ibot: rot13234234 sjhill |
| 02:55.25 | ibot | sjhill |
| 02:55.30 | TimRiker | ibot: rot13234233 sjhill |
| 02:55.30 | ibot | righkk |
| 02:57.50 | TimRiker | ~rot25 ibm |
| 02:57.50 | ibot | hal |
| 02:58.09 | TimRiker | ~rot1 HAL |
| 02:58.09 | ibot | IBM |
| 03:06.45 | TimRiker | ~rot200 file |
| 03:06.45 | ibot | xadw |
| 03:06.50 | file64 | ooh aah |
| 03:06.55 | file64 | how goes your Zipit hacking |
| 03:07.18 | TimRiker | just watchin at this point. job hunting in my free time. |
| 03:07.26 | file64 | ah |
| 03:10.03 | sjhill | TimRiker: come again? |
| 03:41.11 | TimRiker | ibot: rot12 sjhill |
| 03:41.11 | ibot | evtuxx |
| 03:41.30 | TimRiker | sjhill: added arbitrary bases just for you. |
| 03:41.52 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:41.57 | sjhill | what a guy |
| 03:41.59 | sjhill | thx |
| 03:42.00 | sjhill | :) |
| 03:42.23 | TimRiker | then: |
| 03:42.30 | TimRiker | ~rot14 evtuxx |
| 03:42.30 | ibot | sjhill |
| 03:42.48 | TimRiker | or rot12 is 15 more times. ;-) |
| 03:42.55 | TimRiker | er 25... |
| 04:03.58 | ljp | hm... there is someone from TI here for 3 weeks... |
| 04:04.23 | file | hrm I got paid |
| 04:05.04 | TimRiker | ljp: who? |
| 04:06.37 | ljp | someone from bangalore :) |
| 04:07.29 | ljp | think its TI |
| 04:12.34 | prpplague | andersee: ping |
| 04:12.38 | prpplague | andersee: you awake? |
| 04:12.42 | file | pong |
| 04:13.23 | prpplague | this is from emsoft about their sd and nand flash driver |
| 04:13.25 | prpplague | 1) The nand flash (matrix), and sd driver were not included with the |
| 04:13.25 | prpplague | original uclinux distribution. They are proprietary source code |
| 04:13.25 | prpplague | developed entirely by EmSoft, written from scratch, and therefore do |
| 04:13.25 | prpplague | not bind to the GPL license. Please let me know if you wish to |
| 04:13.25 | prpplague | use them, as I may provide the driver binaries to you as kernel |
| 04:13.26 | prpplague | loadable modules. |
| 04:13.52 | prpplague | problem is that the firmware does load them as modules |
| 04:13.59 | prpplague | doesn't |
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| 04:18.41 | prpplague | Russ: evening |
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| 04:38.14 | prpplague | andersee: ping |
| 04:39.01 | jcath | hi, anyone has experience with TinyX here? |
| 04:39.17 | prpplague | jcath: yea, lots, but most ppl are asleep |
| 04:39.51 | kergoth | i'm awake, but not in a particularly helpful mood |
| 04:39.53 | kergoth | heh. |
| 04:40.26 | jcath | oh, I compiled TinyX from Xfree86 4.4 yesteray, Xvesa and Xfbdev, But when I change the virtual terminal, it halt the system .. :( |
| 04:40.41 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe |
| 04:40.49 | jcath | my hardware is via km133a with s3 savage built-in |
| 04:41.01 | prpplague | kergoth: lordy, i have no idea how to handle this emsoft gpl issue |
| 04:41.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:41.07 | kergoth | ugly |
| 04:41.19 | kergoth | sounds like it may be time to take legal recourse |
| 04:41.31 | prpplague | yea |
| 04:41.35 | kergoth | prpplague: donna and the kids took off for barbados eh? |
| 04:41.46 | kergoth | when do you leave? |
| 04:42.10 | prpplague | kergoth: yea |
| 04:42.19 | prpplague | kergoth: probably around the 1st of april |
| 04:43.45 | kergoth | you tell work yet? |
| 04:43.56 | prpplague | no not yet |
| 04:43.59 | prpplague | still dreading it |
| 04:44.06 | jcath | anyone got the same problem? |
| 04:44.14 | prpplague | been fighting depression over it all day |
| 04:44.59 | kergoth | prpplague: heh. you care too much |
| 04:45.07 | prpplague | yea i know |
| 04:45.09 | kergoth | quick, be more selfish |
| 04:45.59 | T0mW | jcath: it didn't work that way on ARM processors... What's a KM133A ? |
| 04:46.30 | jcath | for amd athlon chipset |
| 04:46.51 | prpplague | andersee: i'd like to get your $.02 on this if you get around to it |
| 04:46.58 | kergoth | heh, to be pedantic, there is no "tinyx" |
| 04:47.11 | prpplague | k-drive |
| 04:47.26 | T0mW | jcath: oh, I wouldn't know about that then, this is primarily an embedded linux channel, not much general linux stuff is done here. |
| 04:47.28 | prpplague | along with several other small x |
| 04:48.16 | T0mW | jcath: tinyX is primarily for embedded systems. |
| 04:48.54 | T0mW | ~lart prpplague for missing Donna |
| 04:49.25 | T0mW | wow that certainly was appropriate, eh? |
| 04:49.37 | jcath | yes, my target is an embedded board with C3... |
| 04:50.33 | T0mW | jcath: so, all you do is invoke tinyX and it stops dead? No panic, no messages of any kind? |
| 04:50.46 | jcath | yes, T0mW |
| 04:51.06 | kergoth | which vt are you switching to? and via what means? you arent using 'chvt' to switch to a vt that has nothing running on it, and assuming its dead, are you? :P |
| 04:51.07 | jcath | when I change to another virtual terminal and back, it halt |
| 04:51.10 | T0mW | jcath: are you sure it is dead? Did you try pinging the board to see if anything is alive? |
| 04:51.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:51.29 | prpplague | T0mW: gee thanks |
| 04:51.30 | jcath | Alt+F? to change the terminal |
| 04:51.32 | kergoth | could be a driver problem |
| 04:51.35 | T0mW | prpplague: np |
| 04:52.04 | jcath | I think maybe the problem of the km133a chipset |
| 04:52.24 | T0mW | prpplague: Dave, you could always go girl-watching and then when you see Donna again, you can attack her with some buildup meaning.. ;) |
| 04:54.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:55.53 | T0mW | jcath: I dunno, I find X a scary mess to untangle. |
| 04:56.05 | T0mW | big freakin' mess |
| 04:56.10 | jcath | ? |
| 04:56.41 | T0mW | jcath: just that video switching problem. I just wanted say that I don't that much about tinyX. |
| 04:56.57 | T0mW | s/much/know much/ |
| 04:57.40 | T0mW | prpplague: this MunchiesLinux is finally into the tweaking stages: patch file for this that and the other. |
| 04:59.13 | jcath | so, T0mW, would you like to suggest another GUI for embedded linux to run tranditional X application on it? |
| 05:03.54 | T0mW | uhh, lets see |
| 05:04.01 | T0mW | ~matchbox |
| 05:04.02 | ibot | i heard matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 05:04.11 | T0mW | ~nano-X |
| 05:04.12 | ibot | Tiny X replacement for Linux based palmtops and POS units. URL: http://www.linuxhacker.org/nanogui/ |
| 05:04.20 | T0mW | ~pico-gui |
| 05:04.26 | T0mW | ~picogui |
| 05:04.27 | ibot | rumour has it, picogui is an small and scalable embedded GUI. More info in the #picogui channel or at http://picogui.org. Read the FAQ or not pico gui or pico-gui or even cooler than sliced cheese or see "picogui faq" |
| 05:05.20 | T0mW | I'm not sure about any of them as to the support for remote sessions etc, matchbox might be one of the more advanced windowing platforms. |
| 05:05.24 | T0mW | ~pixel |
| 05:05.25 | ibot | methinks pixel is The smallest dot that a computer can display at a particular resolution. Screen size is often referred to in pixels: 800 x 600, for example. This means that the screen is 800 pixels across and 600 pixels vertically. |
| 05:05.35 | T0mW | ~pixil |
| 05:05.36 | ibot | it has been said that pixil is http://www.pixil.org or http://pixdev.sourceforge.net |
| 05:06.09 | kergoth | picogui is dead. pixil isnt much more active. |
| 05:06.17 | T0mW | mica gave up, huh? |
| 05:06.18 | kergoth | matchbox is just a wm, he'd still need his X server |
| 05:06.20 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:06.29 | T0mW | what about pixil? |
| 05:06.33 | jcath | ok, thnkx |
| 05:06.38 | kergoth | talk to CP about that |
| 05:06.59 | T0mW | CP is away, must be spending time with his wife. Imagine that... |
| 05:07.12 | kergoth | silly people and their 'lives' |
| 05:07.59 | T0mW | I thought that CP was doing ongoing work with that pixil? |
| 05:08.16 | T0mW | oh well, silly me |
| 05:15.46 | T0mW | now that makes a lot of sense: serial ATA 10K RPM drives, yeah |
| 05:16.49 | T0mW | like the serial ATA driver barely works... |
| 05:17.03 | T0mW | kergoth: :) |
| 05:17.39 | T0mW | kergoth: I haven't had much luck with scsi, kept buring drives out. |
| 05:17.46 | T0mW | s/buring/burning/ |
| 05:18.03 | kergoth | thats odd. scsi drives generally have to go through more difficult testing for mtbf and the like |
| 05:18.25 | T0mW | yeah, they were IBM drives too. Well, I ragged about that a while ago. |
| 05:18.37 | kergoth | i love ide for things i dont particularly care about reliability on, or am willing to just keep replacing drives when they go |
| 05:18.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:18.54 | kergoth | ugh, ibm drives. blech |
| 05:18.56 | T0mW | IDE has been so much more reliable for me, for some reason. |
| 05:18.58 | kergoth | i've never had one last |
| 05:19.07 | T0mW | kergoth: oh, you too huh? |
| 05:19.20 | kergoth | had a couple of those infamous 60gb ones that went around |
| 05:19.22 | T0mW | kergoth: what do you use? seagate? |
| 05:19.37 | T0mW | kergoth: mine were 18G |
| 05:19.38 | kergoth | it varies. for my scsi drives, its generally seagate, yeah |
| 05:19.50 | T0mW | kergoth: anyone else has a good name? |
| 05:20.03 | T0mW | fujitsu? |
| 05:20.11 | kergoth | for ide, dont really know. guess i should pay more attention so i stop losing data :) |
| 05:20.15 | T0mW | scsi |
| 05:20.15 | kergoth | my last 200gb drive i bought |
| 05:20.18 | kergoth | went bad within 3 months |
| 05:20.24 | T0mW | oooo! |
| 05:20.34 | T0mW | another winner! |
| 05:20.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:20.41 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:20.54 | T0mW | yeah, must be that dry air or something |
| 05:21.17 | kergoth | hmm, scsi brands, not sure, i havent really kept up with whats going on in anything but embedded in a few years ago |
| 05:21.21 | kergoth | er |
| 05:21.21 | kergoth | s/ago$/now/ |
| 05:21.29 | T0mW | me neither |
| 05:21.47 | T0mW | kergoth: face it, we've become specialized |
| 05:22.06 | T0mW | idiot-savants |
| 05:22.26 | kergoth | if being specialized means i dont have to deal with the crap in x86, then hell yes, and proud of it |
| 05:22.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:23.30 | T0mW | I don't even know what it is that I specialize in, I just do stuff and cannot answer questions bout other stuff. |
| 05:24.07 | T0mW | usually the other stuff is the stuff that people are paying big-bucks for people to work on it... :( |
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| 15:19.17 | prpplague | andersee: ping |
| 15:19.25 | file | pong |
| 15:23.02 | CosmicPenguin | What up folks? |
| 15:24.38 | file | me. |
| 15:24.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 15:25.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: emsoft is claiming their mmc/sd card driver is proprietary and isn't releasing the code |
| 15:25.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I saw that. You expected that, right? |
| 15:25.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorta |
| 15:25.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but the issue is that its a monolithic kernel |
| 15:26.00 | CosmicPenguin | It is? |
| 15:26.19 | CosmicPenguin | hah - somebody dropped the ball on that one |
| 15:26.40 | CosmicPenguin | Duh, of course its a monolotic kernel |
| 15:28.04 | sjhill | prpplague: i though mmc/sd cards were already supported in linux? |
| 15:28.38 | prpplague | sjhill: they are, and its relatively easy to write a driver for one |
| 15:28.52 | prpplague | sjhill: problem is they have done some special hardware for the device |
| 15:29.16 | prpplague | sjhill: used some of the gpio's to turn on and off the external connector |
| 15:29.35 | prpplague | sjhill: we could get around this by re-writing the driver |
| 15:29.42 | prpplague | sjhill: but still..... |
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| 15:34.06 | prpplague | me either |
| 15:34.16 | CosmicPenguin | file: I'm on it like white on rice |
| 15:35.41 | file | CosmicPenguin: btw asterisk runs awesome on the geode |
| 15:36.54 | CosmicPenguin | says who? |
| 15:37.05 | file | says hardwire who tested it on one of his boards |
| 15:37.17 | CosmicPenguin | well, then start sellin' them... :) |
| 15:37.27 | CosmicPenguin | The one you're getting will be available soon |
| 15:37.54 | CosmicPenguin | where soon is some time between 5 minutes from now, and roughly the end of the Unix epoch |
| 15:37.55 | file | fun |
| 15:39.00 | CosmicPenguin | They'll only be good for IP connections though, since they only have a RJ45 and 4 USB ports |
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| 15:40.36 | file | silly wifi |
| 15:59.06 | file | how about that, embedded linux, eh? |
| 15:59.58 | CosmicPenguin | woo, embededed linux! |
| 16:00.36 | file | CosmicPenguin: how was your weekend? |
| 16:01.26 | CosmicPenguin | file: it was decent - won five bucks betting on the oscars last night, and lost five bucks playing poker |
| 16:01.41 | file | ah |
| 16:01.43 | file | so it all evened out |
| 16:01.47 | CosmicPenguin | ye |
| 16:04.03 | kergoth | hey file, cp |
| 16:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | I don't mind writing peer reviews, but they're long and boring |
| 16:04.16 | CosmicPenguin | And this guys boss lost the peer review I already did, so now I have to do one agian |
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| 16:10.11 | [sorphin] | ~lart firestone |
| 16:10.20 | file | eek sorphin |
| 16:10.41 | [sorphin] | apaprently the dotl didn't include road hazard |
| 16:10.59 | [sorphin] | well, in the 17 years i've been driving |
| 16:11.10 | [sorphin] | i've never had a flat, till now (it's a slow leak, on the side of the tire) |
| 16:11.18 | [sorphin] | so now.. i get to shell out another $110 for a new tire |
| 16:11.41 | [sorphin] | thankfully, *this* guy, is adding road hazard to the other tires and this new one too ($13/tire) |
| 16:11.45 | [sorphin] | hope i never need it again |
| 16:15.48 | [sorphin] | file: tnx |
| 16:15.55 | [sorphin] | file: almost time for VON ;) |
| 16:16.10 | file | yup |
| 16:19.34 | CosmicPenguin | file: so do you think that Geode running Asterisk with pci slots to to plug T1 cards into would be a worthwhile project to propse to marketing? |
| 16:19.54 | file | have to do some benchmarking first |
| 16:20.01 | file | I'm curious to see if it can handle transcoding... |
| 16:20.27 | [sorphin] | CosmicPenguin: going back in /. stories today... Dell is still as stupid as i've always thought they were, once again not going for AMD |
| 16:20.45 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - I love that quote too - that customers are relieved that they don't have to switch to AMD |
| 16:20.47 | CosmicPenguin | What BS |
| 16:20.53 | [sorphin] | ya |
| 16:21.24 | CosmicPenguin | Goes to show you what level of cluefulness dell customers have |
| 16:21.46 | CosmicPenguin | In other news, IBM has closed the door on Itanium |
| 16:22.11 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
| 16:22.17 | file | oh no, andersee! |
| 16:22.55 | prpplague | andersee: hey |
| 16:23.15 | prpplague | andersee: you get my messages about gpl issue with emsoft? |
| 16:23.26 | [sorphin] | prpplague: moin islander |
| 16:23.31 | [sorphin] | CosmicPenguin: as they should have |
| 16:23.34 | prpplague | [sorphin]: lo |
| 16:23.37 | [sorphin] | Itanium sucks |
| 16:23.50 | [sorphin] | ~emulate prpplague |
| 16:23.51 | ibot | there is no place like barbados! there is no place like barbados! |
| 16:24.39 | andersee | ibot: put on ruby slippers and click your heels together three times |
| 16:24.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:25.06 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:25.38 | prpplague | andersee: this is a portion of what emsoft sent me |
| 16:25.39 | prpplague | 1) The nand flash (matrix), and sd driver were not included with the |
| 16:25.39 | prpplague | original uclinux distribution. They are proprietary source code |
| 16:25.39 | prpplague | developed entirely by EmSoft, written from scratch, and therefore do |
| 16:25.39 | prpplague | not bind to the GPL license. Please let me know if you wish to |
| 16:25.39 | prpplague | use them, as I may provide the driver binaries to you as kernel |
| 16:25.41 | prpplague | loadable modules. |
| 16:25.42 | file | hrm |
| 16:26.13 | andersee | prpplague: so they are loadable kernel modules, or compiled in? |
| 16:26.19 | CosmicPenguin | file: If I get some down time, I'll try to put * into OE, so I can get a Geode linux image up |
| 16:26.20 | prpplague | andersee: the thing is, that aren't distributing them as modules |
| 16:26.22 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:26.29 | prpplague | andersee: compilied in on the actual dist |
| 16:26.42 | andersee | prpplague: heh. I think their pooch just got screwed |
| 16:27.04 | prpplague | andersee: their kernel is xip |
| 16:27.19 | prpplague | andersee: no insmod in the fs |
| 16:28.20 | prpplague | andersee: ok thanks, i just wanted to make sure i was in the right |
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| 16:29.34 | file | yup. |
| 16:31.40 | [sorphin] | cdm: moin chris |
| 16:31.58 | cdm | morning to you. |
| 16:33.34 | [sorphin] | cdm: hows things? |
| 16:33.49 | cdm | things are good. |
| 16:37.52 | cdm | and you? |
| 16:40.03 | [sorphin] | cdm: to repeat from earlier... |
| 16:40.21 | [sorphin] | apaprently the dotl didn't include road hazard |
| 16:40.26 | [sorphin] | well, in the 17 years i've been driving |
| 16:40.33 | [sorphin] | i've never had a flat, till now (it's a slow leak, on the side of the tire) |
| 16:40.41 | [sorphin] | so now.. i get to shell out another $110 for a new tire |
| 16:40.45 | [sorphin] | thankfully, *this* guy, is adding road hazard to the other tires and this new one too ($13/tire) |
| 16:40.53 | [sorphin] | hope i never need it again |
| 16:42.27 | sjhill | the reception is an adult one which we guessed to be no kids. Our |
| 16:42.27 | sjhill | son will be will be about 1-1/2 months old at that point. He |
| 16:42.27 | sjhill | probably won't make a peep, but I'm guessing there will be smoking |
| 16:42.27 | sjhill | and such, so we probably don't want him exposed to that quite yet. |
| 16:42.29 | sjhill | We will for sure make the wedding, but probably not the reception |
| 16:42.32 | sjhill | unless you have some ideas. |
| 16:42.34 | sjhill | well crap |
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| 16:42.46 | sjhill | fricking irssi |
| 16:42.51 | [sorphin] | hehe |
| 16:42.59 | sjhill | [sorphin]: you're email dosen't work |
| 16:43.01 | [sorphin] | sjhill: we're also pushing out hotel details, etc shortly |
| 16:43.09 | [sorphin] | sjhill: i know |
| 16:43.17 | [sorphin] | sjhill: i have no connection right now :P |
| 16:43.24 | [sorphin] | while my dsl is up |
| 16:43.28 | [sorphin] | my network, isn't |
| 16:43.54 | [sorphin] | since i can get the damn rack bolted to the damn floor, because of the 32 year old damn concrete that eats bits |
| 16:44.24 | [sorphin] | sjhill: you're originally from where you are now, right? (IA) |
| 16:51.46 | file | CosmicPenguin: ya know I'm just gonna keep poking you |
| 16:53.13 | [sorphin] | file: careful, he might start enjoying it ;p |
| 16:53.19 | file | [sorphin]: ha |
| 16:53.23 | [sorphin] | ~emulate file |
| 16:53.24 | ibot | ACTION poke poke poke poke |
| 16:56.36 | CosmicPenguin | hehe... |
| 16:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | Can't make them fly any faster |
| 16:57.02 | file | light them on fire |
| 16:57.22 | CosmicPenguin | I think thats a federal crime |
| 16:57.30 | file | nah |
| 16:57.33 | file | only if you get caught |
| 16:57.59 | [sorphin] | light what on fire? file(s)? |
| 17:00.47 | [sorphin] | file: you seem to explode anyways |
| 17:00.51 | file | true |
| 17:08.24 | sjhill | can someone give me small video clip in .avi format...something like a motion-jpeg or mpeg? |
| 17:08.41 | sjhill | i'm working on an .avi parser to pull out individual fames |
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| 17:24.30 | prpplague | hmm, can you strip kernel modules safely? |
| 17:25.16 | [sorphin] | well |
| 17:26.04 | kergoth | prpplague: only very, very, very carefully. |
| 17:26.09 | kergoth | you can strip out the debug information only |
| 17:26.16 | kergoth | there are some symbols that are required to function |
| 17:26.26 | [sorphin] | ya |
| 17:26.30 | kergoth | someone online has an awk script that strips everything but whats required for the module interface, if you want to dig it up |
| 17:26.36 | kergoth | (though i dont know if thats 2.4 only) |
| 17:26.50 | kergoth | in oe, we just strip the debug info out, thats the biggest bang for the buck |
| 17:27.50 | prpplague | hmm, guess i need to look at the default action of strip |
| 17:28.04 | prpplague | probably need to specific .note and .comment |
| 17:28.06 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.09 | kergoth | :D |
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| 18:37.17 | [sorphin] | TimRiker: moin |
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| 19:10.26 | prpplague | ok, am i the only one that seems to look at the clock when the time is like 1:11 or 2:22 or 3:33 ? |
| 19:15.46 | [sorphin] | yes, you're the only one, dave |
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| 20:22.11 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 20:40.50 | [sorphin] | good lord |
| 20:40.55 | [sorphin] | the plague is spreading |
| 20:41.12 | [sorphin] | plague, plague^2, plague^3 |
| 20:41.22 | CosmicPenguin | spreading exponentially, apparently |
| 20:41.30 | [sorphin] | yeah |
| 20:41.40 | [sorphin] | he's preparing to take over barbados |
| 20:44.59 | file | indeed |
| 20:49.44 | prpplague | freaking sbc dsl |
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| 20:54.44 | prpplague | ~lart file |
| 20:55.55 | kergoth | why is it always _lasers_ with you? |
| 20:56.22 | prpplague | wahoo prpplague^2 is dead, long live prpplague^2 |
| 20:57.18 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey |
| 20:57.25 | prpplague | TimRiker: how goes it on the job front? |
| 21:24.03 | [sorphin] | prpplague: never have a prob w/ my dsl (least hadn't till now, tho i can even USE it yet, so i dunno how bad this "sticky" static up shit is gonna be |
| 21:24.20 | [sorphin] | kergoth: sharks w/ frickin laserbeams on their heads |
| 21:31.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:34.11 | [sorphin] | kergoth: aimed at SCO ;) |
| 21:34.56 | kergoth | [sorphin]: heh. i got a hole poked in myself this weekend - http://covenant.kergoth.com/images/self/chris5.jpg |
| 21:35.41 | file | does he not look psycho? |
| 21:36.12 | [sorphin] | kergoth: what band you starting? :P |
| 21:36.26 | hardwire | kergoth: wow.. |
| 21:36.40 | hardwire | hehe |
| 21:36.42 | hardwire | mine |
| 21:36.53 | [sorphin] | heh |
| 21:37.01 | hardwire | hmm.. |
| 21:37.09 | kergoth | my dad used to joke when i'd spill when i was younger .. 'what, do you have a hole in your lip?' |
| 21:37.16 | kergoth | now can say, 'why yes! in fact, i do!' |
| 21:37.28 | hardwire | looks neat |
| 21:37.33 | hardwire | just stay away from current |
| 21:37.48 | [sorphin] | no more kissing batteries |
| 21:37.49 | kergoth | i like it. itd be nice if i could eat and drink without injuring myself and/or spilling on myself though |
| 21:37.50 | [sorphin] | :P |
| 21:38.08 | [sorphin] | kergoth: supposedly tongue rings are worse |
| 21:38.09 | hardwire | kergoth: thats kind of the price you pay for punching a hole in your mouth cavity. |
| 21:38.30 | file | kergoth: that picture is just... makes you look so evil |
| 21:38.34 | hardwire | hmm |
| 21:38.42 | hardwire | so I have an issue |
| 21:38.50 | kergoth | yay! evil |
| 21:38.52 | hardwire | but I don't think anybody should care |
| 21:39.10 | [sorphin] | file: well file, he IS evil, so he should look the part ;) |
| 21:39.16 | file | hardwire: I would, only because you have something I want |
| 21:39.21 | [sorphin] | hardwire: everyoen in here has issues :P |
| 21:39.28 | kergoth | heh, true that |
| 21:39.29 | hardwire | lunch calls |
| 21:39.31 | hardwire | brb |
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| 22:29.16 | hardwire | blah |
| 22:29.19 | hardwire | lunch.. taco bell |
| 22:29.29 | hardwire | it might not make me happy but it makes me less hungry for a decent price. |
| 22:29.32 | hardwire | well.. not in alaska. |
| 22:29.37 | hardwire | everything is so damn expensive., |
| 22:29.54 | file | poor hardwire |
| 22:31.31 | hardwire | I have had my fill of tacos |
| 22:31.57 | CosmicPenguin | good eatin' |
| 22:32.23 | prpplague | speakin of good eatin' mmmm cat tacos |
| 22:32.52 | chouimat | |lart prpplague |
| 22:33.08 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:33.08 | hardwire | so |
| 22:33.16 | hardwire | I have these geode pboards w/ 512 megs of flash running debian |
| 22:33.50 | hardwire | pboards/boards |
| 22:33.50 | hardwire | ext3 |
| 22:33.50 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:33.50 | hardwire | any good suggestion other than using a different OS for retaining the root filesystem |
| 22:33.51 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 22:33.52 | hardwire | I suppose I could never mount rw until I need to make a change |
| 22:33.57 | hardwire | and throw /var/log/ into a tmpfs |
| 22:34.09 | prpplague | ? |
| 22:34.11 | CosmicPenguin | I run my of my images as readonly |
| 22:34.17 | hardwire | what fs? |
| 22:34.19 | CosmicPenguin | lets try that a again |
| 22:34.24 | hardwire | I need to be able to power these mofos down |
| 22:34.25 | CosmicPenguin | I run my of my image as readonly |
| 22:34.39 | hardwire | that makes 0 sense. |
| 22:34.47 | CosmicPenguin | Dammit |
| 22:34.49 | hardwire | you run many of your images as readonly? |
| 22:34.52 | CosmicPenguin | What the hell is wrong with my |
| 22:34.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:34.57 | CosmicPenguin | I swear to god |
| 22:35.03 | hardwire | I am so goddamn lost |
| 22:35.09 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, lets start over |
| 22:35.15 | hardwire | go right ahead. |
| 22:35.19 | CosmicPenguin | Almost all of my Geode images are read-only root filesystems |
| 22:35.25 | hardwire | ext2? |
| 22:35.33 | CosmicPenguin | cramfs, and more recently squashfs |
| 22:35.39 | hardwire | hmm |
| 22:35.59 | file | CosmicPenguin is the master |
| 22:36.05 | hardwire | I could probably partition this in a way that will work for me |
| 22:36.10 | hardwire | for r&d sake |
| 22:36.17 | hardwire | since I haven't buttoned down an image yet. |
| 22:36.31 | CosmicPenguin | if you really need persistant storage, then unionfs is your friend |
| 22:36.36 | hardwire | but I would need a small linux partition for loading the images. |
| 22:36.45 | hardwire | I don't |
| 22:36.48 | hardwire | but that sounds fun |
| 22:37.15 | hardwire | whats unionfs? |
| 22:37.25 | CosmicPenguin | I use syslinux to load the kernel actually - its quick and painless, and you don't need the physicla media to make the image |
| 22:37.29 | hardwire | and how does that effect the cotext at hand |
| 22:37.34 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: unionfs? |
| 22:37.35 | ibot | [unionfs] a stackable unification filesystem. See http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html for details. |
| 22:37.40 | hardwire | yeh I am there |
| 22:37.48 | hardwire | just wondering how it pertains to what I am asking :) |
| 22:37.54 | CosmicPenguin | which is? |
| 22:37.55 | hardwire | or if you felt there needs to be an upsale in the channel |
| 22:38.14 | hardwire | how would unionfs help what I am doing? :) |
| 22:38.44 | CosmicPenguin | unionfs would let you maintain your read-only filesystem, but store modifications to the file-system elsewhere |
| 22:38.50 | hardwire | and doesn't linux have support for layered block devices now? |
| 22:38.53 | hardwire | that would be neat. |
| 22:39.09 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: gotcha |
| 22:39.11 | CosmicPenguin | I used to make a tmpfs, copy over a directory (say /etc), and then bind mount the temporary directory onto /etc |
| 22:39.22 | prpplague | someone has got a case of the monnnnndays |
| 22:39.26 | hardwire | thats what I was thinking needs to be done |
| 22:39.33 | hardwire | how do we ban him? |
| 22:39.36 | CosmicPenguin | Now, I just use unionfs, and I can skip the copy step |
| 22:39.46 | hardwire | for / |
| 22:40.08 | hardwire | hmm |
| 22:40.12 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, I'm trying really hard to re-enforce to everybody the concept of a read only filesystem |
| 22:40.16 | hardwire | I have 512 megs here |
| 22:40.25 | hardwire | I would think I could just.. you know.. mount it ro |
| 22:40.26 | CosmicPenguin | so I mount the directories piecemeal |
| 22:40.31 | hardwire | and then power offs would work just fine |
| 22:40.38 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - you would be fine |
| 22:40.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know i'm a ro advocate |
| 22:40.41 | hardwire | ok |
| 22:40.49 | hardwire | just I have to recreate tmpfs for /tmp and /var/log/ |
| 22:40.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: oh, I know... :) |
| 22:40.55 | hardwire | and probably use metalog |
| 22:41.11 | hardwire | fuck metalog |
| 22:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | use busybox logging |
| 22:41.18 | hardwire | just syslogd w/ remote host |
| 22:41.22 | hardwire | busybox logging? |
| 22:41.29 | CosmicPenguin | busybox has a syslogd replacement |
| 22:41.37 | file | busybox has lots of stuff |
| 22:41.41 | file | it's sexy! |
| 22:41.42 | hardwire | is it special? |
| 22:41.48 | CosmicPenguin | its lightweight |
| 22:42.20 | CosmicPenguin | All this reinforces that I need to get permission to start pushing up more geode stuff to OE |
| 22:42.44 | hardwire | heh |
| 22:42.50 | hardwire | it owuld be neat to use OE for this project |
| 22:42.54 | CosmicPenguin | hardwire: question for you - any gotchas building * for Geode? |
| 22:42.55 | hardwire | wireless mesh routers w/ sip proxy |
| 22:42.58 | hardwire | and uh |
| 22:43.01 | hardwire | super neat WDS stuff |
| 22:43.49 | file | argh I need to build a compiler to build binaries for the geode |
| 22:44.06 | hardwire | file: no you don't |
| 22:44.11 | file | yes, I do |
| 22:44.12 | hardwire | file: you wanna know what I do? |
| 22:44.15 | file | my workstation is 64-bit |
| 22:44.18 | hardwire | so |
| 22:44.22 | hardwire | qemu will work just fine |
| 22:44.23 | CosmicPenguin | file: OE will help you there |
| 22:44.30 | hardwire | I just install debian in a qemu |
| 22:44.31 | file | ha qemu... that would be interesting |
| 22:44.47 | hardwire | and then move the disk image over to the flash for the SBC |
| 22:45.06 | CosmicPenguin | file: all you're probably really missing from OE is the kernel |
| 22:45.30 | CosmicPenguin | file: I'll try to push up a kernel target sometime this week |
| 22:45.32 | file | I should get up and install sshd on my workstation |
| 22:45.38 | file | and muck with OE |
| 22:48.23 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 22:48.26 | hardwire | I used the debian binaries |
| 22:48.31 | file | mmy workstation needs more RAM |
| 22:48.32 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: what kernel patch are you using |
| 22:48.34 | hardwire | I found a kick ass one |
| 22:48.46 | hardwire | for 2.6.8 for enabling most everything on sc1100 |
| 22:48.57 | hardwire | however it also decided to inline madwifi and hostap into the kernel |
| 22:49.06 | hardwire | the wd1100 is my saving grace |
| 22:49.13 | CosmicPenguin | hardwire: most of that sc1100/sc1200 stuff in the mainline kernel is pretty good |
| 22:49.18 | hardwire | I need to actually create an "off" button from the PoE injector |
| 22:49.25 | CosmicPenguin | The kernel patch on the AMD website only adds the TSC fix, irrc |
| 22:49.28 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: yeh.. just lacks watchdog support |
| 22:49.37 | hardwire | and shit for GPIO |
| 22:49.41 | hardwire | I never use it anyways |
| 22:49.45 | CosmicPenguin | the baseline kernel has GPIO stuff |
| 22:49.49 | CosmicPenguin | At least it did, last time I looked |
| 22:49.51 | hardwire | for sc1200 |
| 22:50.04 | hardwire | sc1100 instructions no existy |
| 22:51.04 | hardwire | brb |
| 22:51.08 | hardwire | can't distract me now |
| 22:51.09 | hardwire | must |
| 22:51.10 | hardwire | make |
| 22:51.11 | hardwire | proposal |
| 22:51.17 | hardwire | and do massive amounts of drawings |
| 22:51.23 | hardwire | MWA! |
| 22:52.03 | CosmicPenguin | file: do they have web based configuration for Asterisk? |
| 22:52.20 | hardwire | http://www.oksolar.com/n_cart/product_details.asp?ProductID=2418&cat=Solar%20Systems&subcat=Solar%20Power%20DC |
| 22:52.26 | hardwire | I need like.. 20 of these |
| 22:53.21 | prpplague | almost 90% of the house holds in barbados use solar water heaters |
| 22:53.45 | hardwire | yeh |
| 22:53.53 | hardwire | we are going to do our hot tub that way |
| 22:54.06 | hardwire | the company I work for is all about alternative energies |
| 22:54.12 | hardwire | we have one wind power plant |
| 22:54.23 | hardwire | powering one half of an island alongside its deisen gensets |
| 22:54.26 | hardwire | deisel |
| 22:54.36 | hardwire | solar is kinda a non usable thin in alaska |
| 22:54.38 | hardwire | thing |
| 22:55.04 | prpplague | hehe, gonna have a natural method power plant? seeing how most companies have PHB's that consistantly produce crap |
| 22:55.14 | prpplague | s/method/methane |
| 22:55.54 | hardwire | well |
| 22:55.59 | hardwire | this site install I am doing is for the oil cleanup |
| 22:56.07 | hardwire | I wish I could power it off of the burner area for contaminated soil |
| 22:57.29 | prpplague | hardwire: hehe, you'd probably get alot of sulphur and hydrogen sulfide from that |
| 22:57.43 | hardwire | can you burn that? |
| 22:57.44 | hardwire | heheh |
| 22:58.06 | prpplague | hardwire: hehe, both are pretty caustic |
| 22:58.11 | CosmicPenguin | its been too long since I've used it |
| 22:58.15 | prpplague | hardwire: eat up your hardware pretty quick |
| 22:58.25 | hardwire | not my pretties! |
| 22:58.26 | CosmicPenguin | <sings>reunited, and it feels so good" |
| 22:58.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, me too |
| 22:58.46 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: you seen the wrap boards? |
| 22:58.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was just thinking about the install in nassau that uses mb the other day |
| 22:58.57 | hardwire | how about we all talk to CosmicPenguin ! |
| 22:59.12 | CosmicPenguin | hardwire: wrap boards? |
| 22:59.45 | file | CosmicPenguin: so how about that stuff eh? |
| 23:00.12 | CosmicPenguin | file: dude in charge is not in today |
| 23:00.23 | CosmicPenguin | file: I'm going to keep up the level of bother |
| 23:00.36 | file | who ha he? oh right |
| 23:00.51 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: wireless router boards from pcengines.ch |
| 23:00.55 | hardwire | I have like 12 of these |
| 23:01.05 | hardwire | http://pcengines.ch/wrap.htm |
| 23:01.09 | hardwire | http://pcengines.ch/pic/wrap2a.jpg |
| 23:01.16 | hardwire | http://pcengines.ch/pic/wrap1c1.jpg |
| 23:01.20 | hardwire | 6 of the aboce |
| 23:01.22 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - I've never seen those before |
| 23:01.23 | hardwire | 6 of the below |
| 23:01.27 | hardwire | well |
| 23:01.31 | hardwire | check this out |
| 23:01.37 | hardwire | I developed an awesome pelican case for them |
| 23:01.41 | hardwire | for outdoors non corrosion use |
| 23:01.48 | hardwire | and then some.. dudes.. came out with a galvonized smaller one |
| 23:01.49 | hardwire | haha |
| 23:01.51 | hardwire | bastards |
| 23:01.54 | hardwire | for super damn cheap |
| 23:02.14 | hardwire | http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.19/it.A/id.331/.f |
| 23:02.17 | hardwire | I have 6 of these now |
| 23:02.44 | CosmicPenguin | I think thats the MacPhyter NIC, right? |
| 23:02.54 | hardwire | say that again |
| 23:03.23 | CosmicPenguin | On those wrap boards |
| 23:03.31 | hardwire | just uses natsemi |
| 23:03.59 | hardwire | I can power one up and check I suppose |
| 23:04.04 | CosmicPenguin | No, thats right |
| 23:04.13 | CosmicPenguin | the chipname is MacPhyter, but the driver is natsemi |
| 23:04.53 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:05.17 | hardwire | 200mw cards in it |
| 23:05.18 | hardwire | two of them |
| 23:05.22 | hardwire | they give me a headache |
| 23:06.42 | prpplague | looks like they had pads on one of those for flash |
| 23:07.04 | hardwire | I love matching refresh rates on KVM'ed machines |
| 23:07.14 | hardwire | for onboard flash |
| 23:07.15 | hardwire | ? |
| 23:07.24 | hardwire | right next to the ram |
| 23:07.29 | prpplague | yea |
| 23:07.29 | hardwire | the intel flash right |
| 23:07.34 | hardwire | that looks about the same size. |
| 23:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart sun |
| 23:12.32 | CosmicPenguin | 130 of 154 MB in this fsckin' image is the java stuff |
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| 23:32.35 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:32.36 | hardwire | so |
| 23:33.01 | hardwire | I am going to have to try to get the atomic clock from these little serial recievers.. over i2c or geode LPC |
| 23:33.44 | hardwire | the RTC in these wrap boards fucks up the runtime on the board (reboots) if you enable the watchdog |
| 23:33.44 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:33.48 | hardwire | err |
| 23:33.49 | hardwire | I mean |
| 23:33.55 | hardwire | the RTC w/ battery |
| 23:34.00 | hardwire | w/o battery resetting from NTP works fine |
| 23:34.09 | hardwire | but these little boogers aren't going to be on a network until they sync in |
| 23:34.16 | hardwire | and I want them to know what time it is |
| 23:37.57 | CosmicPenguin | its time to get bizay! |
| 23:41.00 | hardwire | http://www.oksolar.com/n_cart/product_details.asp?ProductID=102961&cat=Visual%20Signals&subcat=Solar%20Beacons |
| 23:41.01 | hardwire | NEAT |
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