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| 15:03.30 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:21.33 | sorphin | prpplague: moin islander |
| 15:21.40 | jacques | morning guys |
| 15:21.52 | sorphin | and it's mr fontenot |
| 15:21.57 | jacques | yep |
| 15:22.06 | sorphin | man, this week is gonna suck |
| 15:22.14 | sorphin | ~lart this week for sucking |
| 15:22.43 | jacques | lol |
| 15:22.52 | jacques | that's pretty funny in a couple of ways |
| 15:23.44 | jacques | ouch :-( |
| 15:24.12 | sorphin | the oncall is moved up cuz someone in hte group is leaving, so the slots moved up |
| 15:25.10 | jacques | damn that sucks - when you plan on a certain oncall schedule because you nede it that way and it suddenly changes |
| 15:25.16 | jacques | can't you get anyone to switch? |
| 15:31.07 | sorphin | no, because the other remaining guys just had it, i was due up after the guy that's leaving |
| 15:31.24 | jacques | :-( |
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| 15:45.47 | sorphin | ~lackeyslap sjhill |
| 15:45.50 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjhill around like the lackey they are. |
| 15:45.57 | sorphin | sjhill: you pinged last night? |
| 15:54.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sales of the PIC don't seem to be very high |
| 15:56.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: says you... :) |
| 15:57.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: says my contact at c&w |
| 15:57.48 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think that c&w is pushing that very much |
| 15:57.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i got that feeling too |
| 15:58.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: They have more important things to worry about, I think.... |
| 15:58.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 15:58.35 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe in a few years when the hurricane damage has been mitagted, and people have a few pennies in their pockets again |
| 15:58.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no major damage was done in barbados |
| 15:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: are they pushing them in barbados? Whats the cost? |
| 15:59.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, they don't seem to be pushing them |
| 16:00.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: about $150 USD |
| 16:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: buy it once, or monthy installments? |
| 16:00.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how does $150 work out compared to average monthly salary? |
| 16:02.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you factor in cost of living and the difference in dollar values, barbados is actually a little higher than the american average |
| 16:02.48 | sorphin | welp |
| 16:02.53 | sorphin | garbage just bought garbage |
| 16:03.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: average pay is about $1500 USD a month |
| 16:03.45 | CosmicPenguin | So we're talking about 10% |
| 16:03.45 | sorphin | Verizon bought MCI |
| 16:03.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but the big thing is, down there, when you make $1500 you get $1500 |
| 16:04.05 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 16:04.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing is deducted from your paycheck |
| 16:04.20 | CosmicPenguin | So $150 is well within affordablity |
| 16:04.23 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:04.28 | CosmicPenguin | Its probably too cheap then.... |
| 16:04.51 | CosmicPenguin | They can afford something faster and less closed |
| 16:05.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea probably |
| 16:05.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: big thing down there right now is Voip |
| 16:05.48 | sorphin | prpplague: file should move there ;) |
| 16:05.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: right - I have known about that since my Century days |
| 16:06.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so the question is - is a PIC a good idea for *any* of the isands in the West Indies? |
| 16:06.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, some of them |
| 16:06.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like dominica ( not dominican repbulic) |
| 16:07.20 | CosmicPenguin | c&w handles them too? |
| 16:07.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the entire island has broadband, but no one can afford a pc to connect to it |
| 16:07.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, c&w handles all of the former british colonies |
| 16:28.33 | CosmicPenguin | ibot needs a 'ping' function |
| 16:32.51 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart century |
| 16:32.59 | CosmicPenguin | The one time I need frickin CVS from microwindows, and its down |
| 16:35.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:35.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whatcha doing with microwindows? |
| 16:36.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was going to hack it to use menuconfig |
| 16:37.12 | CosmicPenguin | I still think its the best for messing with the unaccelerated kfb |
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| 16:37.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 16:37.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you look into that small gui widget set for fb? |
| 16:41.01 | cdm | morning. |
| 16:41.09 | sorphin | cdm: moin |
| 16:41.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not really |
| 16:46.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wish something would get started with fltk in fb |
| 16:47.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there was a poll on the fltk.org site about it and the overwhelming major said they wanted ti |
| 16:47.31 | CosmicPenguin | But you have the whole window manager issue then |
| 16:47.37 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the problem with DirectFB, imho |
| 16:47.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what issue is that? |
| 16:48.16 | sorphin | cdm: still waiting for the local apple store to tell me they have a mini there for me :P |
| 16:48.20 | sorphin | damn slow apple |
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| 16:56.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, on DirectFB, its up to the individual aps to draw their own window decorations |
| 16:57.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and? |
| 16:57.39 | CosmicPenguin | Well, I personally happen to think thats a major limitation |
| 16:57.47 | CosmicPenguin | But there are those that don't give a damn |
| 16:59.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think we are probably moving in two different circles |
| 17:00.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i just need to run a single application |
| 17:00.26 | jacques | sorphin, sleazy bastages |
| 17:01.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have about 10 different devices that i'd like to use a fltk app with, but i don't need to the overhead of using x |
| 17:01.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: since the fltk app will be the only thing running |
| 17:03.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, then use DirectFB or GTK-FB or something like that |
| 17:03.03 | CosmicPenguin | There are lots of alternatives |
| 17:03.23 | CosmicPenguin | But for every one person who wants to run a single app, there are 10 who want to run multiple windowed apps |
| 17:03.29 | CosmicPenguin | if that wasn't true, then I would have a job at century still |
| 17:04.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but directfb and gtk-fb just aren't as sweet and simple as FLTK |
| 17:18.05 | CosmicPenguin | there are those that would say that any C++ app is by definition more complex |
| 17:27.09 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: re window decorations, the author has an experimental tree that allows directfb to draw window decorations be default |
| 17:27.52 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: dunno when that will be ready, but he said he had it last month at CELF |
| 17:31.43 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, thats where my previous comments came from, our discussion with Tim about it |
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| 17:35.46 | sorphin | mallum: wotcher |
| 17:36.13 | prpplague | mallum: hey |
| 17:36.37 | hardwire | anybody gotten the chance to play with a gumstix? |
| 17:36.40 | mallum | hey prpplague, sorphin |
| 17:36.46 | mallum | in boston :) |
| 17:37.02 | CosmicPenguin | Lets face it - no geeks care about graphics on embedded devices, and no companies want to pay for it |
| 17:37.03 | prpplague | mallum: conference or something? pb_ is there too |
| 17:37.12 | CosmicPenguin | so it will perpetually suck |
| 17:37.16 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:37.25 | sorphin | prpplague: the brits are back in boston to reinact the tea party i guess ;) |
| 17:37.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:37.40 | mallum | prpplague: yeah X Dev meet |
| 17:37.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you obviously don't care enough, or we would have fltk-fb by now, wouldn't we? :) |
| 17:37.50 | prpplague | mallum: ahh |
| 17:38.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: well tecnically, it was the Americans that did the tea party |
| 17:38.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, no my problem is i don't know enough |
| 17:38.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still learning |
| 17:38.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when i get to the point i can do it, i will hehe |
| 17:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but who's keeping track? That was like... uh.. a million years ago.. or something |
| 17:38.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:39.10 | prpplague | hardwire: most of the ppl here have heard bad things about the gumstix |
| 17:39.51 | prpplague | hardwire: several of the OSS developers have been treated badly from the gumstix ppl |
| 17:40.18 | andersee | they asked me to write some code for them... |
| 17:40.23 | andersee | for free of course |
| 17:40.53 | prpplague | andersee: yea, after how they treated zwelch, i wouldn't give them the time of day |
| 17:41.37 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:41.44 | hardwire | well their small and cheap enough to do a few things I need |
| 17:42.01 | hardwire | but I think I will just stick with reworking the snom mainboard |
| 17:42.43 | prpplague | hardwire: there are some next generation boards coming out soon, that are as small and affordable |
| 17:43.01 | prpplague | andersee: yea, i didn't either, it was mainly their attitude towards OSS ppl |
| 17:43.49 | hardwire | prpplague: that doesn't help with tomorrows R&D :) |
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| 17:45.19 | prpplague | hardwire: whatcha looking to do? |
| 17:45.26 | hardwire | is uclinux just crazy fast? |
| 17:45.42 | hardwire | prpplague: basically a reworked SNOM (Sip Phone) |
| 17:45.49 | hardwire | that goes into a rackmount device. |
| 17:45.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i know, but it was anti brit |
| 17:46.28 | hardwire | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4804935206.html |
| 17:46.33 | hardwire | so that ships with XP and XP Embedded |
| 17:46.45 | hardwire | whats the upsale to selling it with XP EMbedded? that sounds so .. limiting. |
| 17:46.48 | andersee | hardwire: on identical hardware, using a uclinux kernel can be up to 30% faster than a linux kernel, at the cost of not using the mmu |
| 17:47.00 | MonMotha | andersee: I just heard that the devil was caught throwing snowballs at his torture victims. Full story at 11 |
| 17:47.23 | hardwire | memory management unit? |
| 17:47.33 | andersee | hardwire: for very high bandwidth applications, that might be compelling |
| 17:47.40 | hardwire | well |
| 17:47.47 | hardwire | for a few projects I work on |
| 17:47.52 | hardwire | I need speed on these geode 266's |
| 17:47.59 | hardwire | and it sounds like uClinux might be a good solution |
| 17:48.04 | andersee | hardwire: on the other hand, developing w/o memory protection and fork is a pain in the butt |
| 17:48.28 | hardwire | how much is chunked out of the uClinux kernel from the main tree? |
| 17:48.36 | hardwire | is it missing basically everything you would want for a good wireless router? |
| 17:50.19 | hardwire | well.. time to run actually |
| 17:50.25 | hardwire | I will check out uclinux.org later |
| 17:53.00 | prpplague | jacques: btw, you talked to zwelch lately? |
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| 17:54.50 | jacques | prpplague, about 1.5 weeks ago, but he seems to have disappeared again |
| 17:55.03 | prpplague | jacques: how is he doing? |
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| 18:04.21 | jacques | prpplague, he seems ok |
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| 18:17.44 | sorphin | TimRiker: moin |
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| 19:32.07 | prpplague | TimRiker: have you made a request for the GPL LGPL code for the juicebox yet? |
| 19:34.00 | TimRiker | nope |
| 19:34.25 | TimRiker | so we know if it is flash or rom? |
| 19:35.39 | prpplague | TimRiker: not specifically |
| 19:35.56 | prpplague | TimRiker: about 50% of the boxes have an OKI OTP chip |
| 19:36.03 | prpplague | TimRiker: the rest have CoB's |
| 19:36.18 | prpplague | TimRiker: so i'm willing to bet the CoB's are OTP's as well |
| 19:38.36 | TimRiker | you have jtag on one or not? |
| 19:38.49 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, i have jtag on one |
| 19:39.00 | prpplague | TimRiker: just not gotten a chance to dump the contents |
| 19:39.27 | prpplague | TimRiker: i'm still floundering as to how to approach the rom's for both the pixter and juicebox |
| 19:39.44 | TimRiker | http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/ looks like it scans for flash parts. |
| 19:40.56 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea ones that it knows about |
| 19:41.23 | prpplague | TimRiker: i suspect that it probably complies with CFI specs, so i should be able to talk to it |
| 19:41.34 | prpplague | TimRiker: question is what do i do with the dumped image |
| 19:43.27 | TimRiker | give it to me to look at. ;-) |
| 19:44.09 | TimRiker | be nice to dump a sample card too to see if we cansigure how to put videos in a format that it understands. |
| 19:44.30 | TimRiker | I've not yet tried anything on the picture format, but that would be nice to document too. |
| 19:44.57 | TimRiker | no idea why they didn't just use standard formats for all that. and the mp3 being limited to 128k is a pain too. |
| 19:45.18 | TimRiker | should be plenty of power to handle any mp3 with that cpu. |
| 19:45.43 | jacques | does it allow you to create your own video using the windows software? |
| 19:46.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, man - I've been asking you for months to put those roms on the web... :) |
| 19:47.39 | TimRiker | jacques: no. imports jpgs into it's propriatary format, and handles 128k or less mp3s, but no video formats are supported. |
| 19:48.46 | jacques | TimRiker, then it seems they don't want ppl to be able to make their own videos |
| 19:48.59 | jacques | hence the proprietary format ? |
| 19:49.50 | jacques | (it is a video player right? or am I confused?) |
| 19:49.55 | TimRiker | jacques: true apparently. however DMCA would seem to cover reverse engineering the video format to make personal videos that were compatible. |
| 19:50.18 | jacques | I think their motive is maximum profit |
| 19:50.26 | TimRiker | selling your own created videos may or may not be covered. |
| 19:50.57 | jacques | TimRiker, are you saying reverse engineering the video format to make one's own videos is probably legal under the DMCA ? |
| 19:50.58 | TimRiker | duplicating (ie: pirating) thier roms would clearly be illegal and not at all what I'm interested in. |
| 19:51.06 | jacques | nod |
| 19:51.17 | TimRiker | jacques: I'm not a lawyer, but that's my understanding. |
| 19:51.25 | jacques | ok cool |
| 19:51.41 | jacques | damn DMCA |
| 19:53.57 | TimRiker | see Sect. 1201 (f) Reverse Engineering exception of the DMCA and decide for yourself. ;-) |
| 19:54.26 | jacques | thanks for the pointer |
| 19:58.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i'm concerned about posting them |
| 20:00.12 | prpplague | TimRiker: ok, i'll see about dumping them this week |
| 20:00.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Tim knows best, but I think its OK, because you didn't circumvent any protection mechanisms |
| 20:00.37 | TimRiker | ~dmca |
| 20:00.38 | ibot | it has been said that dmca is http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020428 |
| 20:00.48 | prpplague | TimRiker: i'd like to know how to approach understanding the roms |
| 20:01.20 | TimRiker | ibot: dmca is The Digital Millennium Copyright Act see http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2281.ENR: |
| 20:01.21 | ibot | ...but dmca is already something else... |
| 20:01.40 | TimRiker | ibot: no, dmca is The Digital Millennium Copyright Act see http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2281.ENR: or http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020428 |
| 20:01.42 | ibot | okay, TimRiker |
| 20:03.06 | sorphin | actually, the DMCA is nothing but a bad joke someone needs to get rid of |
| 20:03.07 | CosmicPenguin | ibot should at least call you dad... :) |
| 20:03.17 | sorphin | ibot: who's your daddy? |
| 20:03.18 | ibot | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 20:03.22 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 20:03.25 | CosmicPenguin | Thats disturbing |
| 20:03.31 | sorphin | it used to say tim was his daddy |
| 20:04.00 | Crofton | ~quote msft |
| 20:04.03 | TimRiker | prpplague: distibuting the binary would not be a Good Idea. but telling folks that you dumped it would be. ;-) |
| 20:04.24 | Crofton | ~quote amd |
| 20:04.50 | sorphin | ~quote mcit |
| 20:04.58 | prpplague | TimRiker: what about telling ppl how i dumped it? |
| 20:05.13 | TimRiker | prpplague: also fine from my interpretation. |
| 20:05.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: come on, it took you all of what, 30 minutes to get that? |
| 20:05.36 | prpplague | TimRiker: hmm |
| 20:05.37 | TimRiker | as well as providing pictures, instructions, and code to dump the images. |
| 20:05.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, less than that |
| 20:05.59 | sorphin | prpplague: pixter! pixter! pixter! *grin* |
| 20:06.00 | CosmicPenguin | And they even brought out the jtag lines, right? |
| 20:06.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: once i found the jtag, it was 10 minutes |
| 20:06.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 20:06.18 | TimRiker | even code to modify the images should be fine. |
| 20:06.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: although the pins are not labels and they have them covered with a copper plate |
| 20:07.07 | prpplague | sorphin: i was able to read/write to my mmc interface on the pixter yesterday |
| 20:07.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the only thing that would have made it easier if they had socketed the rom |
| 20:07.32 | CosmicPenguin | hardly security to me |
| 20:08.46 | sorphin | prpplague: sweet |
| 20:08.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 20:08.53 | sorphin | prpplague: what's next? |
| 20:09.13 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm stuck on the rom issue just like the juice box |
| 20:09.40 | sorphin | ? |
| 20:13.19 | TimRiker | if the JuiceBox is really flash, you should be able to remove te built in movie and have lots of space to store new code. Perhaps even put a jffs2 filesystem in there and let the user store code/apps internally. |
| 20:13.19 | prpplague | sorphin: i haven't been able to decide on a course of action in reverse engineering the code in the rom |
| 20:13.41 | prpplague | TimRiker: i seriously doubt its flash |
| 20:13.44 | TimRiker | like a better mp3 player or a video player, etc. ;-) a chording keyboard driver. ;-) |
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| 20:14.06 | TimRiker | prpplague: yeah, I can dream though, can't I? |
| 20:15.21 | TimRiker | if it's not flash, we'd need a way to smash one of the players. mp3, or image player, and then launch another app, perhaps a whole new kernel and userspace. however having the normal 2M ram model will limit how much you can do. |
| 20:15.57 | TimRiker | don't know if you can have a single cartrige that contains flash on some CS's and still have the MMC slot working. |
| 20:16.47 | TimRiker | but at any rate, the cartrige does not allow NOR or any direct mapped flash, correct? so no XIP off a cartridge. =( |
| 20:18.32 | prpplague | TimRiker: from what i can tell the spi lines are multiplexed |
| 20:18.39 | prpplague | TimRiker: but i'm not 100% sure on that |
| 20:19.25 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, what i suspect is that there is probably something equiv to a rc.local that the startup routine might look for on the mmc card |
| 20:20.00 | prpplague | TimRiker: if i were developing the juicebox, i'd have put something in there so i could debug from the mmc cart |
| 20:20.05 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea i noticed that too |
| 20:20.16 | TimRiker | prpplague: why do you suspect that? have we seen anything to indicate that it would run apps off mmc or flash cartriges? |
| 20:21.11 | TimRiker | the diags being internal means to me that they don't load diags off a card. so I'd guess it's unlikely that it looks for any apps on a cartridge. |
| 20:22.07 | prpplague | TimRiker: i tried putting a bunch of empty files with different file names like rc.local and diagnostics. when i went into the test routine, for the mmc cart, it took a longtime and it finally rebooted |
| 20:22.43 | TimRiker | prpplague: ahh! that might be a good sign. ;-) |
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| 20:33.30 | KeyserSoze | anyone know of a channel for uboot discussion? |
| 20:35.36 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: probably here or on handhelds.org |
| 20:35.53 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: iirc hh.o is using uboot for a bunch of their stuff |
| 20:36.16 | KeyserSoze | thanks prpplague |
| 20:36.21 | KeyserSoze | what's hh.o? |
| 20:38.51 | chouimat | prpplague: http://members.iinet.net.au/~sauterp/funny/mouse1.jpg </might not be worksafe but it's funny> |
| 20:43.02 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: handhelds.org |
| 20:43.23 | prpplague | chouimat: ha |
| 20:49.58 | TimRiker | prpplague: I doubt it. |
| 20:50.09 | TimRiker | last I heard they were still using bootldr. |
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| 20:56.39 | prpplague | TimRiker: ahh |
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| 21:46.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, amd is bragging about the cabilities of one of their flash chips, but you can't buy it anywhere |
| 21:48.26 | jacques | they've been taking paper release lessons from nvidia and ati and intel |
| 21:49.39 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: bb w/ serial. why? |
| 21:49.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what chip is that? |
| 21:50.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: Am29DL640D |
| 21:53.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: maybe its only available in the far east |
| 22:02.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: found a place called 4starelectronics.com |
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| 22:29.55 | KeyserSoze | anyone used the 440EP? |
| 22:30.24 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: i don't recognize that model, url? |
| 22:37.57 | KeyserSoze | it's an IBM microcontroller, similar to 440GP and 440GX |
| 22:38.01 | KeyserSoze | er, AMCC now |
| 22:38.22 | KeyserSoze | https://www.amcc.com/cardiff/docManagement/displayProductSummary.jsp?prodId=PowerPC%20440EP&product_subgroups.xml_rowInd=0&product_subgroups.xml_exRow=2&product_families.xml_rowInd=0&product_families.xml_exRow=1&superfamily=PowerPC&product_families.xml_sort=&product_families.xml_ordSort=&product_subgroups.xml_sort=&product_subgroups.xml_ordSort=ASC |
| 22:39.02 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: oh powerpc |
| 22:39.05 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: sorry no |
| 22:39.17 | KeyserSoze | is most stuff in here arm-related? |
| 22:39.55 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: 90% |
| 22:40.17 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: CosmicPenguin is mostly x86, sjhill mips, and cdm apple stuff |
| 22:41.21 | KeyserSoze | we're actually not going to use linux on it, we're using LynxOS. But we are going to use uboot, which I think is the predominate boot loader for arm and ppc linux. |
| 22:42.51 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: u-boot seems to be in alot of commercial products |
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| 22:46.22 | sorphin | cdm: speed up those mac mini orders :P |
| 22:46.35 | cdm | sorphin: what is your wait time right now? |
| 22:47.19 | sorphin | cdm: well, i am on the reserve list at the local store, he said maybe a week to 1.5 weeks, i looked on the online apple store and instead of 3-4 weeks it says 2-3 now |
| 22:47.29 | sorphin | i'd do it whichever way will be faster :P |
| 22:49.19 | Crofton | ah LynxOS |
| 22:49.28 | cdm | LynxOS huh? |
| 22:49.50 | cdm | KeyserSoze: ah. |
| 22:50.00 | Crofton | An d I just looked back |
| 22:50.08 | Crofton | I have used it years ago |
| 22:50.10 | sorphin | cdm: whatcha think? |
| 22:50.12 | cdm | was a competitor when I was at QNX. |
| 22:50.17 | Crofton | heh |
| 22:50.29 | Crofton | you ever here of GE Drive Systems? |
| 22:50.32 | Crofton | hear |
| 22:50.42 | Crofton | They were and may still be QNX ussers |
| 22:54.33 | cdm | Crofton: yeah - in Florida right? |
| 22:54.37 | cdm | sorphin: about what? ;) |
| 22:54.42 | Crofton | hmm |
| 22:54.45 | Crofton | Salem VA |
| 22:54.58 | Crofton | Maybe a different GE group |
| 22:55.38 | cdm | probably - I know there is a GE group in Florida. |
| 22:55.48 | Crofton | there are GE groups everywhere |
| 22:55.55 | cdm | I mean using QNX. :) |
| 22:56.00 | Crofton | heh |
| 22:56.19 | Crofton | I would suspect Drive systems still does in embedded controllers |
| 22:57.28 | Crofton | But I left abut 5 years ago |
| 22:57.47 | Crofton | now in grad school, and currently interested in linux on omap stuff |
| 22:57.51 | Crofton | among other things |
| 22:58.28 | cdm | ah yes, linux on omap. |
| 22:58.45 | cdm | some pretty flaky code in that source base right now (no offence kergoth). |
| 23:00.32 | Crofton | heh |
| 23:00.49 | Crofton | Tomorrows project is to get current bitkeeper booting :) |
| 23:01.05 | sorphin | uhh |
| 23:01.21 | Crofton | heh |
| 23:01.36 | Crofton | I figured out enough bk to get the kernel |
| 23:01.45 | sorphin | ah |
| 23:01.54 | sorphin | you were being a bit to vague, that's why i said that |
| 23:02.01 | Crofton | anyone know how hard it is to get CF to mount in the OMAP-OSK board? |
| 23:02.10 | Crofton | sorry |
| 23:02.22 | file[laptop] | zipit boys |
| 23:02.30 | sorphin | oh crap |
| 23:02.32 | sorphin | it's file |
| 23:02.35 | file[laptop] | YES! |
| 23:02.37 | file[laptop] | it is I. |
| 23:02.44 | prpplague | Crofton: does the osk have a cf slot? |
| 23:02.49 | Crofton | yes |
| 23:03.01 | sorphin | ;) |
| 23:03.04 | prpplague | oh didn't know that |
| 23:03.08 | Crofton | well it has a slot my old 8M CF card fits in :) |
| 23:03.24 | Crofton | when we get that working we'll try a microdrive |
| 23:03.47 | Crofton | I have free reign on it for two days |
| 23:04.02 | Crofton | no post-doc trying to get me to explain how I figure it out |
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| 23:23.59 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag file[laptop] |
| 23:24.01 | ibot | ACTION skewers file[laptop] with a super bullet |
| 23:32.39 | TimRiker | $295 'll get you one. ;-/ |
| 23:35.34 | cdm | drat. |
| 23:35.45 | cdm | I could have told Crofton that the OSK doesn't have CF support in the ti tree. |
| 23:38.44 | CosmicPenguin | That was out of nowhere |
| 23:38.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he's pestering on another channel |
| 23:39.07 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh.... |
| 23:39.13 | cdm | lame bush hater? I suspect he is a very strong bush hater. |
| 23:39.23 | prpplague | fishhead: don't get into here either, or i _will_ kick you |
| 23:39.32 | cdm | go prpplague, go prpplague! |
| 23:39.34 | fishhead | pestering ? |
| 23:41.59 | prpplague | cdm: and no, i am a bush fan, i worked on his governor campaign as well as his first presidential campaign |
| 23:42.24 | cdm | prpplague: :) I was more making fun of fishhead. |
| 23:42.29 | prpplague | oh ok |
| 23:42.55 | cdm | prpplague: I always find it funny how the uneducated, far-right behaves. |
| 23:43.26 | fishhead | <prpplague> fishhead: don't get into here either, or i _will_ kick you |
| 23:43.32 | fishhead | you care to translate this into english? |
| 23:43.39 | cdm | Me, I'm not a Bush fan. And I am more of a lefty then a righty, but I could have gotten behind McCain. |
| 23:43.50 | prpplague | fishhead: don't get into it here either, or i _will_ kick you |
| 23:43.56 | fishhead | you mean the bush thing? |
| 23:43.58 | fishhead | i didn't plan to |
| 23:44.13 | fishhead | I am here for m68k and arm info |
| 23:46.22 | prpplague | hehe <dwmw2_gone> fuck me. fishhead on a network where I don't have pos |
| 23:46.58 | prpplague | later folks time to head home |
| 23:49.53 | TimRiker | now that paste was entirely un-neccesary |
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