| 00:10.29 | CosmicPenguin | sweetness |
| 00:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | Now I want to start like 4 OE sessions, just to watch them go... :) |
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| 00:42.38 | CosmicPenguin | you get your boxen back? |
| 00:43.10 | prpplague | naw, using my laptop |
| 00:53.36 | jacques | what is it? I'll help you |
| 00:53.58 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 00:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | Its supposed to be pronounceable |
| 00:54.18 | CosmicPenguin | but who knows in what language |
| 01:03.05 | jacques | klingon |
| 01:23.59 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... why for is mutt not checking .muttrc? |
| 02:47.20 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey timmy |
| 02:50.47 | file[laptop] | Tim Alert! |
| 02:51.07 | file[laptop] | commence firing sequence! |
| 02:51.25 | file[laptop] | TimRiker: what's up? |
| 02:51.34 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag file[laptop] |
| 02:51.36 | ibot | ACTION skewers file[laptop] with a super bullet |
| 02:51.46 | file[laptop] | eek |
| 02:52.37 | TimRiker | TuxScreen-devel member jordan@penguru.net bouncing - removed |
| 02:53.28 | file[laptop] | awwww |
| 02:53.53 | prpplague | TimRiker: didn't get around to takin any picks tongiht |
| 02:54.05 | prpplague | TimRiker: sure you don't want a treadmil, hehehe? |
| 02:54.33 | TimRiker | I don't but I'm not asking my wife in here to talk to you. |
| 02:54.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:55.03 | prpplague | TimRiker: you bum |
| 02:55.08 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 02:55.38 | prpplague | TimRiker: just for that i'm gonna pester you like hell to attend my OSS conference |
| 02:55.47 | file[laptop] | chouimat: bonjour |
| 02:55.49 | TimRiker | OLS? ;-) |
| 02:55.56 | prpplague | BLS |
| 02:56.01 | TimRiker | BSLS? |
| 02:56.11 | prpplague | BELS |
| 02:56.18 | TimRiker | BLISS? |
| 02:56.25 | chouimat | BBBLS? |
| 02:56.28 | prpplague | Barbados Embedded Linux Symposium |
| 02:56.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:56.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:57.09 | prpplague | chouimat: would have trouble getting andersee and TimRiker to attend |
| 02:57.27 | chouimat | prpplague: put Golf somewhere |
| 02:57.27 | TimRiker | well 2 outta 5's not bad |
| 02:57.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:57.46 | TimRiker | well 3 I suppose. |
| 02:57.57 | prpplague | question is which 3 , hehe |
| 02:59.12 | prpplague | sorphin: pin |
| 02:59.14 | prpplague | sorphin: ping |
| 03:01.00 | TimRiker | / I got the sand in my hair / and the sand in my face / I think I got the sand / most every place / |
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| 03:17.59 | f1shhead | chouimat you have turned into such a dirtbag |
| 03:18.00 | f1shhead | cool! |
| 03:18.03 | f1shhead | so |
| 03:18.11 | f1shhead | are the ladies still nice where you moved too? |
| 04:03.05 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe |
| 04:03.32 | prpplague | this f1shhead person is a real asshole |
| 04:03.38 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:03.41 | kergoth | most of us just ignore him |
| 04:03.47 | kergoth | we get tired of kickbanning him all the time |
| 04:04.21 | chouimat | and why he choose me??? /me will go see the shrink again tomorrow |
| 04:04.25 | prpplague | i stepped away, and i have a whole page of freakin /msg 's calling me a freakin traitor |
| 04:04.30 | kergoth | haha |
| 04:04.34 | kergoth | yeah, that happens |
| 04:04.53 | kergoth | if he's harrassing you, or threatening you, feel free to report him to the ircops. it wouldnt be the first time |
| 04:04.58 | chouimat | prpplague: because you move? I got a shitload of CANUCK! |
| 04:05.36 | prpplague | kergoth: his kind belong on efnet |
| 04:05.44 | kergoth | prpplague: no doubt |
| 04:05.50 | chouimat | wtf is efnet?? |
| 04:06.06 | kergoth | chouimat: consider yourself lucky for not knowing |
| 04:06.08 | prpplague | chouimat: another irc server group |
| 04:06.29 | chouimat | kergoth: that bad? |
| 04:06.29 | prpplague | chouimat: mostly perv's and trolls |
| 04:06.34 | Soopaman | lol |
| 04:06.40 | Soopaman | evening all |
| 04:06.43 | kergoth | hey |
| 04:06.46 | Soopaman | hey ;choi |
| 04:06.47 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm a pervert but a Classsy one ;) |
| 04:06.50 | Soopaman | kergoth |
| 04:06.56 | chouimat | Soopaman: hi |
| 04:06.59 | Soopaman | big-d/B prpplague |
| 04:07.25 | Soopaman | what's new in the land of north america? |
| 04:07.40 | Soopaman | have been out of the country for like a month, and man am i out of the loop |
| 04:07.56 | kergoth | chouimat: heh, nice. havent heard them in ages |
| 04:08.00 | chouimat | Soopaman: nothing really beside snow and cold |
| 04:08.10 | chouimat | kergoth: I love the lyrics of that one |
| 04:08.12 | kergoth | anthrax.. isnt their guitarist now in the trans siberian orchestra? |
| 04:08.28 | chouimat | kergoth: that Savatage |
| 04:08.34 | kergoth | ah thats right |
| 04:08.56 | chouimat | kergoth: anthrax just release a new album (last year) |
| 04:09.00 | chouimat | err 2003 |
| 04:09.08 | kergoth | oh really? how is it? |
| 04:09.32 | chouimat | great ... last year they rerecorder songs of their first 4 albums |
| 04:10.14 | kergoth | cool, will have to check it out |
| 04:10.29 | chouimat | kergoth: hehe |
| 04:10.42 | kergoth | its hard to keep up with all the genres i listen to. expensive too |
| 04:10.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:11.08 | prpplague | Soopaman: ??? big-d/B ? |
| 04:11.14 | chouimat | kergoth: www.torrentspy.com |
| 04:11.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:11.30 | Soopaman | Big Dallas/Barbados |
| 04:12.20 | prpplague | Soopaman: oh |
| 04:12.40 | prpplague | Soopaman: where are you now? |
| 04:16.48 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, if that f'r screws with me tomorrow, i think i'll /msg lilo about it |
| 04:17.23 | prpplague | i consider myself a tollerent person, but that kind of behavior is non acceptable |
| 04:17.37 | kergoth | indeed |
| 04:18.06 | chouimat | prpplague: feel free to do it |
| 04:18.15 | kergoth | i'm not a tolerant person, you can imagine how i respond to him |
| 04:18.43 | file[laptop] | kergoth: awww you're just like a teddy bear ;) |
| 04:18.48 | kergoth | haw |
| 04:18.58 | chouimat | kergoth: I stopped watching the news and peoples corners and open line on tv ... |
| 04:18.59 | kergoth | i thought it was funny as hell the other day |
| 04:19.06 | kergoth | when that user messaged me with a question about something |
| 04:19.12 | kergoth | and his second line was "please dont hurt me" |
| 04:19.15 | kergoth | that was great |
| 04:19.19 | chouimat | lol |
| 04:19.51 | file[laptop] | kergoth: what an excellent reputation you have built up |
| 04:20.18 | chouimat | kergoth: we are trying to organise a kdevelop conference and we are trying to get some embedded people |
| 04:20.54 | kergoth | that's cool |
| 04:21.27 | chouimat | kergoth: we're kind of tired that eclipse get all the attention even if kdevelop win award |
| 04:21.49 | chouimat | and I need to finish the OE support in it |
| 04:22.09 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe |
| 04:22.17 | prpplague | kergoth: that did sound funny |
| 04:22.48 | Soopaman | prpplague, just flew in from toronto this morning |
| 04:23.04 | Soopaman | met a bunch of people flying down to Barbados in the airport though, so that was pretty cool |
| 04:23.26 | prpplague | Soopaman: yea there is a big bajan community in toronto |
| 04:23.58 | kergoth | hrm |
| 04:24.29 | Soopaman | yeah, i swear the city is half jamaican |
| 04:24.30 | kergoth | TimRiker, prpplague: know any good places in the dallas area to take women on valentines day? |
| 04:24.31 | prpplague | Soopaman: they even have their own newspaper there |
| 04:24.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:24.52 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, there are some good nudie bars on loop12 |
| 04:25.00 | prpplague | kergoth: you mean you have a woman? |
| 04:25.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:25.19 | prpplague | kergoth: any special type of food? |
| 04:25.21 | kergoth | preferably somehwere to take her that wont result in me getting seriously injured |
| 04:25.28 | kergoth | so the nudie bars are out |
| 04:25.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:25.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:25.44 | kergoth | food, nothing too exotic |
| 04:25.49 | kergoth | she's rather picky |
| 04:25.52 | Soopaman | lol |
| 04:26.05 | prpplague | kergoth: olive garden is always nice for a date |
| 04:26.11 | Soopaman | nudie bars serve great meals |
| 04:26.16 | prpplague | kergoth: kinda romantic, nice glass of wine |
| 04:26.22 | prpplague | kergoth: small tables |
| 04:26.30 | prpplague | kergoth: i.e. get close |
| 04:27.22 | Soopaman | prpplague, is there anything more unique? |
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| 04:27.42 | prpplague | Soopaman: probably, but DFW isn't my home ground |
| 04:27.42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:27.45 | kergoth | wine is pretty much out, since i know NOTHING about it |
| 04:27.45 | prpplague | kergoth: give me a sec |
| 04:27.48 | kergoth | in fact, i've never had a glass of wine in my life |
| 04:27.50 | kergoth | oddly enough |
| 04:27.51 | file[laptop] | goodnight you people like people |
| 04:27.54 | kergoth | night file |
| 04:28.07 | prpplague | kergoth: thats the good thing about olive garden, almost all of he menu has notes for which wine to choose |
| 04:28.15 | prpplague | kergoth: makes you look like a wine expert |
| 04:28.29 | prpplague | file[laptop]: night |
| 04:28.33 | kergoth | hehe, she knows i'm not. could always ask for a recommendation |
| 04:28.56 | kergoth | of the waiter that is |
| 04:29.41 | prpplague | kergoth: yea they are usally pretty helpfu |
| 04:30.10 | kergoth | Soopaman's right though, not very creative |
| 04:31.12 | jacques | try the new maps.google.com :-) |
| 04:31.17 | jacques | it's neat |
| 04:31.20 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, you could take her to the valentine special for http://www.medievaltimes.com/ |
| 04:31.28 | kergoth | jacques: very |
| 04:31.31 | kergoth | jacques: i was impressed |
| 04:31.35 | jacques | me too |
| 04:31.37 | kergoth | jacques: its like using a commercial mapping/streets app |
| 04:31.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:31.43 | prpplague | kergoth: as was i, but nothing in the west indies |
| 04:31.51 | jacques | much faster than I expected (the scrolling around) |
| 04:32.09 | kergoth | the _one_ thing thats missing is zoom via the scroll wheel on the mouse :) |
| 04:32.15 | kergoth | well, and more map data, as prpplague points out |
| 04:32.24 | jacques | lol I kept trying to zoom that way too |
| 04:32.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:32.28 | kergoth | i think everyone did |
| 04:32.32 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.medievaltimes.com/castleTX/specials.htm |
| 04:32.53 | prpplague | kergoth: iirc the imax theaters are doing a special |
| 04:33.10 | kergoth | http://www.thegreenroom.com/ looks like a decent place. been to deep ellum, but never went there |
| 04:33.17 | Soopaman | kergoth, what kind of stuff does she like? |
| 04:33.32 | kergoth | thats a pretty broad question |
| 04:33.56 | prpplague | kergoth: yea been there, it seems nice, but you could always choose hooters as a fall back plan |
| 04:34.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:34.14 | CP|Home | Hooters is *always* an option... :) |
| 04:34.22 | kergoth | prpplague: you've been there? how's the food? |
| 04:34.27 | kergoth | (at the green room, not hooters) |
| 04:34.34 | jacques | I hear the wings are good... oh |
| 04:34.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:34.38 | prpplague | kergoth: been awhile ago, but seemed nice |
| 04:37.02 | kergoth | any ideas beyond food? i need to get out more, i dont know the dallas area worth a shit |
| 04:37.13 | prpplague | kergoth: water gardens |
| 04:37.25 | prpplague | kergoth: oh if you are gonna do a card, make it by hand |
| 04:37.36 | kergoth | we went to the dallas arbaredum(sp?) a while back |
| 04:37.37 | kergoth | thats pretty nice |
| 04:37.38 | prpplague | kergoth: i.e. constructon paper |
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| 04:39.19 | prpplague | kergoth: any joe smoe can go to walgreens and purchase a bunch of stuff |
| 04:40.05 | prpplague | kergoth: ladies(notice i didn't same women or girls) like to know you put some thought and time into things and it was personally put together for them |
| 04:40.14 | prpplague | s/same/say |
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| 04:40.36 | prpplague | cdm: hey |
| 04:40.45 | jacques | prpplague, that's excellent advice |
| 04:41.07 | cdm | hey prpplague |
| 04:41.17 | jacques | one time I bought a basket of stuff and really pissed my girlfriend off - the next year I made one. that worked a lot better |
| 04:41.32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:41.40 | prpplague | cdm: hehe, i thought of you when i saw the latest ipod commercial this evening |
| 04:42.20 | prpplague | kergoth: hot glue gun and about $20 worth of stuff at hobbylobby will do your wonders |
| 04:42.28 | jacques | the pound of columbian blue mountain coffee beans probably helped |
| 04:42.44 | kergoth | i'm not very artistic. more literary. maybe i'll write a love letter or something |
| 04:43.02 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 04:43.06 | cdm | prpplague: Life Is Random |
| 04:43.09 | kergoth | ~lart valentines day |
| 04:43.32 | prpplague | kergoth: that works too, but just grab a little wooden box in the hobby section of walmart to put it in |
| 04:44.07 | kergoth | hm, good idea |
| 04:44.43 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, let me know if you need some help |
| 04:45.01 | prpplague | kergoth: not that i'm an expert or anything, just have some experience, hehe |
| 04:45.06 | kergoth | i've always been good at this sort of thing, but i dont know dallas very well |
| 04:47.20 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, the key phrase is "make her feel special" |
| 04:47.50 | prpplague | cdm: i'm always amazed at how well apple does marketing to non-geeks/non-techies |
| 04:49.09 | cdm | prpplague: yep. |
| 04:49.20 | sorphin | prpplague: you pinged earlier islander? |
| 04:49.42 | prpplague | sorphin: i never thought i'd meet someone on irc that was more obnoxious than you, but i have now, hehe |
| 04:50.06 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:50.33 | sorphin | prpplague: eh? |
| 04:51.01 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm not obnoxious, i'm just a prick |
| 04:51.10 | prpplague | sorphin: shithead, oops i mean f1shhead |
| 04:51.12 | kergoth | sorphin: prpplague encountered our friend fishhead. |
| 04:51.53 | sorphin | oh, you mean the luser i have on /ignore |
| 04:52.05 | kergoth | the luser everybody has on ignore, yep |
| 04:52.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:52.12 | kergoth | k/b'ing him gets old |
| 04:52.12 | sorphin | prpplague: and shithead is right |
| 04:52.34 | sorphin | kergoth: well, you do have the right to permanently ban him if he continuously does it |
| 04:52.51 | sorphin | considering the circumstances, i doubt timmy would object |
| 04:53.25 | kergoth | have done so in the past |
| 04:53.40 | kergoth | just a matter of time before his mask changes sufficiently to evade it |
| 04:53.43 | kergoth | as i say, gets old |
| 04:55.33 | sorphin | kergoth: oh, if it were one of my channels from back in the day, there'd be no issue, trust me ;) |
| 04:55.56 | kergoth | heh, i havent had to fuck with such things since efnet |
| 04:58.18 | sorphin | kergoth: i just know my way around the services, that's all |
| 04:59.44 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i've not had any problems with freenode |
| 05:00.26 | sorphin | cept for that pesky plague character, can't make up his mind which device he wants to hack at any one time |
| 05:00.44 | sorphin | and now i heard he's trying to take over barbados |
| 05:00.55 | prpplague | sorphin: heheh, now you don't start |
| 05:01.03 | sorphin | prpplague: :) |
| 05:01.05 | prpplague | sorphin: had all i can stand from f1shhead today |
| 05:01.11 | sorphin | hey now |
| 05:01.19 | sorphin | let's not get below the belt dave |
| 05:01.20 | prpplague | sorphin: almost a page of /msg from him |
| 05:01.27 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
| 05:01.27 | sorphin | comparing me w/ fishforbrains |
| 05:01.33 | sorphin | is a low blow, even from you |
| 05:01.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 05:02.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 05:02.23 | CP|Home | s/useless/harmless/ |
| 05:02.31 | prpplague | CP|Home: hey you |
| 05:02.32 | sorphin | s/harmless/useless/ |
| 05:02.49 | sorphin | and there's the master of the new Cruton processor |
| 05:03.03 | prpplague | well guess i gotta call it a night |
| 05:03.07 | prpplague | long day tomorrow |
| 05:03.11 | sorphin | prpplague: night |
| 05:03.35 | prpplague | kergoth: good luck on your VD plans ehe |
| 05:03.40 | kergoth | heh, thanks |
| 05:03.54 | sorphin | his VD plans? |
| 05:03.56 | sorphin | do i wanna know? |
| 05:03.59 | kergoth | valentines day |
| 05:04.05 | kergoth | not venerial disease |
| 05:04.35 | sorphin | kergoth: you sure about that? ;) |
| 05:04.39 | Soopaman | hey sorphin |
| 05:04.40 | kergoth | heh, yep |
| 05:04.44 | Soopaman | lol |
| 05:04.46 | Soopaman | VD |
| 05:04.47 | Soopaman | hahah |
| 05:05.02 | Soopaman | kergoth, honestly, ask her girlfriends what you should do |
| 05:05.09 | Soopaman | that way you double up on brownie points |
| 05:05.22 | sorphin | "...If I go crazy then will you still call me Soopaman..." |
| 05:06.12 | kergoth | nickelback? |
| 05:06.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:06.27 | sorphin | no |
| 05:06.30 | sorphin | 3 doors down |
| 05:06.47 | kergoth | ah thats right |
| 05:06.53 | CP|Home | I saw a huge metor tonight - big fireball |
| 05:07.02 | CP|Home | I swear it was about to hit something |
| 05:07.08 | sorphin | kergoth: so you got a date or something for VD? |
| 05:07.23 | kergoth | heh, been dating this chick for a couple months, on and off |
| 05:07.31 | sorphin | CP|Home: taht was me aiming for Redmond.. too bad I missed |
| 05:07.36 | sorphin | kergoth: ahh |
| 05:09.58 | Soopaman | sorphin, do you have any connections for lcd panels? |
| 05:10.13 | sorphin | Soopaman: everyone points me at earthlcd |
| 05:11.57 | kergoth | scanline mentioned somewhere else to get them rather than earthhlcd, but i forget what it was |
| 05:12.19 | sorphin | tho i'll never find it :P |
| 05:16.06 | Soopaman | sorphin, what lcd monitor? |
| 05:16.27 | sorphin | Soopaman: 1.6" lcd for a dig camera |
| 05:16.34 | Soopaman | ahh |
| 05:16.47 | Soopaman | i'm stuck with a 17" widescreen i'm trying to fix |
| 05:17.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:17.19 | sorphin | be cheaper to buy a new one prolly |
| 05:17.40 | Soopaman | true |
| 05:17.47 | CP|Home | ok, bed |
| 05:19.37 | sorphin | Soopaman: and easier |
| 05:19.40 | sorphin | i'm sure |
| 05:30.04 | Soopaman | where you off to? |
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| 06:45.34 | sorphin | Soopaman: bought a house |
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| 12:19.09 | thunder | Hi |
| 12:19.09 | thunder | thunder Anyone is having the idea how can I use the ioctl sys call |
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| 14:12.16 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:21.50 | sjhill | hey andersee |
| 15:22.48 | sorphin | and there's sjlackey |
| 15:22.58 | sjhill | ~ibot lackeyslap sorphin |
| 15:23.00 | ibot | ACTION slaps sorphin around like the lackey they are. |
| 15:23.07 | sorphin | sjhill: takes one to know one |
| 15:23.12 | sorphin | :) |
| 15:23.14 | sjhill | heh |
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| 15:35.15 | boumm | hello |
| 15:35.32 | boumm | anybody there ? |
| 15:52.22 | sjhill | nobody here but us chickens! |
| 15:57.46 | andersee | sjhill: hey |
| 15:57.49 | andersee | sjhill: morning |
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| 16:28.18 | cdm | morning. |
| 16:28.31 | prpplague | cdm: morning |
| 16:29.34 | pb_ | hey plague |
| 16:29.38 | pb_ | hi cdm |
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| 16:31.19 | prpplague | cdm: just out of curiosity, whats the ipod divisions attitude towards linux ppl? because it looks like they aren't even shooting for that market |
| 16:31.25 | prpplague | pb_: morning |
| 16:31.34 | prpplague | pb_: :( kids are sick this morning |
| 16:31.38 | prpplague | pb_: some sort of flue |
| 16:31.53 | prpplague | pb_: gonna have to take them to the doc this afternoon |
| 16:32.25 | prpplague | cool new apollo photos up at nasa |
| 16:32.27 | prpplague | http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo8info.html |
| 16:32.48 | prpplague | *cough* note the last names of the crew! |
| 16:34.36 | cdm | prpplague, the trouble is that Linux doesn't have nearly enough market share in a desktop style environment to bother with it. |
| 16:34.59 | cdm | prpplague, there are open source tools for updating the iPod's database though. |
| 16:35.07 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 16:35.09 | ibot | [prpplague] mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 16:35.14 | prpplague | *cough* note the last names of the crew! |
| 16:35.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:36.24 | cdm | prpplague, :) |
| 16:37.22 | pb_ | prpplague: ugh, sounds nasty |
| 16:37.37 | prpplague | pb_: yea, kids are soooooo much fun, hehe |
| 16:37.43 | pb_ | hehe |
| 16:38.05 | prpplague | cdm: william anders is my grandfather's brother's son |
| 16:40.05 | prpplague | cdm: yea, apple does a great job at marketing to non-geeks |
| 16:40.19 | prpplague | cdm: i personally have no interest in owning an ipod |
| 16:44.11 | cdm | gotta be into having your music at hand without carrying about lots of CDs. |
| 16:44.29 | cdm | the fact that it acts like a 20G harddrive is bonus. ;) |
| 16:45.33 | prpplague | cdm: juicebox works for me, hehe |
| 16:47.48 | cdm | :) not really in the same league. |
| 16:49.59 | CosmicPenguin | Yo folks |
| 16:55.45 | prpplague | cdm: agreed, but it does what i need |
| 16:57.16 | sorphin | ~lart corporate BS |
| 16:57.49 | sorphin | cdm: my lyra does the same :P |
| 16:58.21 | cdm | corporate BS? |
| 16:58.36 | cdm | sorphin, yeah sure. The lyra is in the same league. Although not nearly as nice. ;) |
| 16:58.43 | prpplague | cdm: sorry don't mean to pick at you, i'm just curious as to apple mindset |
| 16:58.50 | sorphin | my "lead" is being an ass about my time off in april and then for next week on the house closing |
| 16:59.45 | cdm | prpplague, not at all. I really can't speak for Apple. But given that some insane % of people are on Windows and then a smaller % on the Mac, it's hard to justify the amount of development time and testing to support Linux. |
| 16:59.57 | cdm | prpplague, honestly I would never want to try to support a closed-source, commerical product on Linux. |
| 17:00.04 | cdm | at least not for general consumption. |
| 17:00.15 | cdm | it's too much of a moving target. |
| 17:00.31 | prpplague | cdm: yea, i think more to the point why create something that is not very standardized |
| 17:00.51 | cdm | prpplague, it's just a database of information. |
| 17:01.24 | prpplague | TimRiker: morning |
| 17:01.33 | cdm | prpplague, so there really is no standard. |
| 17:01.34 | TimRiker | prpplague: how much does that job your vacating pay? =/ |
| 17:01.45 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehehe |
| 17:01.48 | sorphin | cdm: matter of opinion on the ipod vs lyra |
| 17:02.30 | cdm | sorphin, yeah. Can't account for taste (or lack there-of). |
| 17:02.56 | sorphin | guess i just proved all companies suck, no matter how much they claim they're 'flexible' w/ timeoff, etc |
| 17:03.06 | TimRiker | looks like management here is going with nucleus instead of Linux. /me starts looking elsewhere. |
| 17:03.29 | sorphin | yay me, i'd have to go in the hole on timeoff for a honeymoon |
| 17:03.36 | sorphin | f that |
| 17:03.58 | sorphin | they can take their 72 hours "sick" time then and shove it |
| 17:04.04 | sorphin | cuz i don't get sick |
| 17:04.07 | sorphin | i never have |
| 17:04.18 | cdm | TimRiker, interesting choice on their part. |
| 17:04.58 | TimRiker | cdm: nod. obviously not the one I was encouraging. |
| 17:05.56 | TimRiker | cdm: TI has a lot of history with Nucleus. it's small, and ports fairly easily. They are still not quite ready for a full OS apparently. |
| 17:06.17 | sorphin | ~nucleus? |
| 17:06.24 | kergoth | i could see going with nucleus if they actually had hard real time requirements or something, but i find that pretty unlikely |
| 17:06.32 | sorphin | prpplague: ditto |
| 17:07.14 | TimRiker | ibot: nucleus is an RTOS see http://www.acceleratedtechnology.com/embedded/plus.php |
| 17:07.15 | ibot | TimRiker: okay |
| 17:07.38 | prpplague | TimRiker: will there be other linux ppl jumping ship? |
| 17:07.59 | kergoth | heh, were there even any linux people other than tim left in e&ps? |
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| 17:09.56 | prpplague | hmm, nucleas supports the lh754xx series |
| 17:10.10 | prpplague | TimRiker: well crud |
| 17:10.15 | prpplague | TimRiker: sorry to hear that dude |
| 17:12.01 | prpplague | TimRiker: dice.com dude |
| 17:12.47 | TimRiker | prpplague should move to vegas then. lots of career oportunities there. |
| 17:13.01 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe, lots more in barbados |
| 17:13.07 | TimRiker | heh |
| 17:13.28 | prpplague | TimRiker: this is the last time i'll be filling income tax for awhile |
| 17:13.41 | prpplague | TimRiker: hopefully never again |
| 17:13.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:21.43 | CosmicPenguin | We're cooking now, boys |
| 17:30.15 | chouimat | prpplague: http://ulyx.ath.cx/21369-3_1.jpg |
| 17:30.38 | prpplague | chouimat: cute |
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| 18:25.34 | prpplague | argh, i have a large zit on my forehead |
| 18:25.42 | prpplague | must be the stress |
| 18:27.36 | sjhill | prpplague: too much info |
| 18:27.48 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 18:27.52 | prpplague | sjhill: sorry |
| 18:28.23 | sjhill | chouimat: what is that a pic of? |
| 18:28.44 | prpplague | sjhill: its work safe |
| 18:29.06 | prpplague | sjhill: earliest known remote control |
| 18:29.10 | sjhill | ah |
| 18:30.53 | chouimat | sjhill: you can see it |
| 18:32.25 | chouimat | prpplague: http://ulyx.ath.cx/universal.gif |
| 18:34.07 | prpplague | i like that one |
| 18:34.17 | prpplague | they have a new vacation commercial out |
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| 19:11.34 | sorphin | ~lart wednesday for pretending it's monday |
| 19:24.10 | CosmicPenguin | Lets see if I got smtp auth working right or now |
| 19:27.10 | CosmicPenguin | holy crap, it worked |
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| 19:56.02 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher mate |
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| 19:57.49 | pb_ | g'day sorphin |
| 20:06.28 | sorphin | the what? |
| 20:07.15 | prpplague | sorphin: the clinic has a web checkin |
| 20:07.35 | prpplague | sorphin: you check in via the web then they call when they can see you |
| 20:07.42 | prpplague | sorphin: that way you don't wait there |
| 20:07.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: do they need to be quarintined? |
| 20:07.47 | CosmicPenguin | Man, my spelling sucks |
| 20:08.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, just miserable, which makes everyone around them miserable |
| 20:08.06 | CosmicPenguin | Man I hope he wasn't taking about his kids |
| 20:08.31 | prpplague | flue |
| 20:08.34 | prpplague | argh |
| 20:08.36 | CosmicPenguin | Man, I feel like an idiot |
| 20:08.37 | prpplague | flu |
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| 20:20.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so which SMTP auth code you using? |
| 20:22.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I used sendmail |
| 20:22.04 | CosmicPenguin | it set up pretty easily, actually, even though its hella insecure |
| 20:22.20 | sorphin | nono, i meant, md5, plaintext, spa or sasl |
| 20:22.38 | CosmicPenguin | I eventually got pissed at our local mail servers, so I set up a fetchmail for my desktop and that worked nice |
| 20:23.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I just have the client part set up - it handles all the usual suspects |
| 20:23.18 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:23.32 | CosmicPenguin | I think our server uses plaintext though - gah |
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| 20:42.22 | CosmicPenguin | Now, if I can only figure out how to make mutt read my mh folders, I'm golden |
| 20:42.25 | CosmicPenguin | golden, I tell you! |
| 20:42.49 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: you really need to cut back on caffeine |
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| 21:01.31 | prpplague | nice split |
| 21:01.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:14.41 | CosmicPenguin | This afternoon, I will know the joy of uninterrupted work |
| 21:28.36 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: lart? |
| 21:28.37 | ibot | somebody said lart was Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool |
| 21:28.45 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: botsnack |
| 21:28.45 | ibot | aw, gee, CosmicPenguin |
| 21:29.49 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart me for existing |
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| 21:44.02 | jpablo | his is there an easy way to generate a rootfs for an embedded system ? something like ptxdist, but one that actually works. |
| 21:44.13 | kergoth | try OE |
| 21:44.14 | jpablo | if it uses precompiled packages the best. |
| 21:44.22 | kergoth | its used for a large number of embedded distributions |
| 21:44.30 | kergoth | including openzaurus, familiar, opensimpad, etc |
| 21:44.49 | CosmicPenguin | and it smells great! |
| 21:44.54 | jpablo | yeah, already tried and failed :(, it would love something based in precompiled packages. |
| 21:45.00 | TimRiker | less filling! |
| 21:45.07 | jpablo | since i'm targeting an i586 machine. |
| 21:45.23 | TimRiker | jpablo: run debian. ;-) |
| 21:45.37 | kergoth | debian would be a good bet. it isnt exactly built with embedded use in mind though |
| 21:45.46 | kergoth | i really do recommend oe here. i dont remember seeing you asking for help in #oe |
| 21:45.53 | jpablo | TimRiker: yeah, that's what i have now, but i would love something based in busybox. |
| 21:46.06 | CosmicPenguin | Gentoo might be a good alternative too |
| 21:46.18 | CosmicPenguin | Of course you wanted precompiled, but gentoo takes the orce out of source compiling |
| 21:46.19 | kergoth | or buildroot, but that doesnt exactly scale very well, or have a lot of apckages available |
| 21:46.20 | jpablo | kergoth: i would double check OE :) |
| 21:46.29 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: well, gentoo would need a full dev env, no? |
| 21:46.37 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: yeah |
| 21:46.45 | jpablo | kergoth: i want something glibc based, to buildroot is a no no. |
| 21:46.45 | TimRiker | debian base is not tiny, but it's smaller than that. |
| 21:46.54 | CosmicPenguin | nod |
| 21:46.56 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't think of that |
| 21:47.13 | TimRiker | jpablo: buildroot will do glibc, but most folks only use it for uClibc. |
| 21:47.14 | jpablo | TimRiker: Tim Riker of BZFlag fame ? |
| 21:47.26 | CosmicPenguin | You can make binary packages, so you could compile on another box, but you would still need portage on your target |
| 21:47.36 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: true true. |
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| 21:48.01 | TimRiker | jpablo: also check the copyrights on most buildroot kits. ;-) |
| 21:48.02 | jpablo | so, i think i would double check OE. |
| 21:48.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:48.49 | TimRiker | jpablo: buildroot's don't currently handle packaging at all. oe does. |
| 21:49.42 | TimRiker | jpablo: so try oe and flame ... er contact kergoth with any issues you run into. ;-) |
| 21:49.54 | jpablo | i tried OE, got somehow confused with the machines and distributions things, tried a quick config and failed. |
| 21:50.11 | jpablo | but if it is the recommended way i'll try harder. |
| 21:50.13 | kergoth | jpablo: you dont need to set a distro or machine, you can just set the TARGET_ARCH=i586 |
| 21:50.25 | kergoth | jpablo: and set INHERIT=package_ipk to emit ipk packages |
| 21:50.27 | kergoth | and fire off a build |
| 21:50.43 | jpablo | kergoth: a manual explaining all that would be good .. |
| 21:51.10 | kergoth | TimRiker: thats because buildroot makes assumptions :) |
| 21:51.13 | kergoth | but yep, not quite as easy |
| 21:51.25 | kergoth | jpablo: local.conf.sample explains it |
| 21:51.35 | TimRiker | kergoth: assumtions are good. at least you get started easily enough. |
| 21:51.37 | kergoth | jpablo: if you want to reword it to make it clearer, send me a patch |
| 21:51.55 | kergoth | TimRiker: yeah. i should create a repo with a predone oe config for openzaurus for example |
| 21:51.59 | kergoth | just pull and run with it |
| 21:52.10 | CosmicPenguin | thats trouble waiting to happen |
| 21:52.14 | TimRiker | or a x86 boot floppy/cd |
| 21:52.19 | kergoth | nod |
| 21:52.33 | kergoth | course basically, we already have predone configs, in teh form of distros and machines |
| 21:52.39 | kergoth | echo MACHINE=collie > conf/local.conf |
| 21:52.44 | kergoth | echo DISTRO=openzaursu >> conf/local.conf |
| 21:52.49 | CosmicPenguin | There is nothing wrong with teaching somebody to at least open local.conf and uncomment the "MAKEITWORK" flag |
| 21:54.01 | kergoth | jpablo: i think we all agree that we need an OE users manual. we have a users manual for bitbake, which outlines things like .bb file format, the commandline options, that sort of thing. but nothing outlining _how_ we use that in OE. |
| 21:54.15 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: I think it's important to be able to watch it go. if you get a "unconfigured, please pick one of .... and type make <foo>" would work." |
| 21:54.40 | kergoth | TimRiker: that wouldnt be hard to setup. right now it sets the default target architecture to the build architecture, and same for OS |
| 21:54.54 | kergoth | TimRiker: if you changed those two to raise a python exception when used, thatd force the user to set them. |
| 21:55.16 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: yeah, thats a good idea |
| 21:55.20 | kergoth | that wouldnt be a bad thing |
| 21:55.30 | kergoth | i dunno how many times i get someone talking about 'c compiler cannot create executables' |
| 21:55.38 | kergoth | because they didtn notice they failed to set it until half way through the build |
| 21:55.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:56.20 | kergoth | alternatively, we could dump a display of some basic variables before a build starts |
| 21:56.24 | kergoth | i.e. Building With: |
| 21:56.28 | kergoth | TARGET_ARCH = i686 |
| 21:56.29 | kergoth | etc |
| 21:56.46 | kergoth | so at that point the user goes oh crap, and hits ctrl+c |
| 21:57.53 | TimRiker | that would help too. |
| 21:58.17 | TimRiker | still need both svn and bk installed to get started? |
| 21:58.55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:59.00 | kergoth | we really need to get bitbake itself into the major distros |
| 21:59.17 | kergoth | course there are tarballs of both available |
| 21:59.24 | kergoth | bitbake 1.0 and 1.1 released, can download that |
| 21:59.34 | TimRiker | I'd rather see the bk stuff moved to svn |
| 22:00.14 | kergoth | wont happen, we actually _really_ benefit from bk there |
| 22:00.20 | kergoth | for people who maintain forks of our metadata |
| 22:00.22 | kergoth | like the nslu2 folks |
| 22:00.32 | kergoth | we can push/pull changesets back and forth between the openembedded repositories |
| 22:00.45 | kergoth | although you can do that to a certain extent with svn using svk, it isnt as intuitive |
| 22:00.46 | TimRiker | if bb was in the distros, you'd still need bk to even get started, yes? so what's the point in putting bb in the distros? |
| 22:01.41 | TimRiker | then the reverse question... why not put bb in bk? if you need bk to get started anyway? |
| 22:01.51 | jpablo | TimRiker: there are the bk exports in the page, that's what im using. |
| 22:02.01 | jpablo | i didn't install bk. |
| 22:02.11 | kergoth | because bb doesnt need bk, it doesnt benefit in any way from it, and i dont expect OE to remain the only user of bitbake forever. |
| 22:02.28 | kergoth | in fact, i'm planning on modifying portage-c to use libbitbake as its backend when the rewrite is complete |
| 22:02.52 | TimRiker | kergoth: you're still missing the point. the idea is to lower the barrier to entry as much as possible. |
| 22:03.23 | kergoth | yes, I know. but i'm not going to raise more barriers for everyone else. |
| 22:03.24 | TimRiker | you ought to be able to have a very short list of commands needed to get started. the shorter the better. |
| 22:03.48 | jpablo | maybe a tarball can be generated containing both bb and oe, i think that would be easy ? |
| 22:04.03 | TimRiker | kergoth: meaning that there are people now who don't have bk installed but use bb? I'd be interested to know how many. |
| 22:04.04 | kergoth | jpablo: that wouldnt be a bad idea. make the snapshots contain both, for those not willing to use bk |
| 22:04.35 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: many people use OE from the snapshots |
| 22:04.50 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: and don't use bk for anything? |
| 22:05.12 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: yep. I didn't use bk until I started pushing stuff back upstream |
| 22:05.33 | kergoth | TimRiker: for a while we even had an automated patch gateway, using gpg for authentication. pb_ used that for some time |
| 22:05.38 | kergoth | TimRiker: also, there's a mirror in handhelds.org cvs |
| 22:05.42 | kergoth | TimRiker: which is updated daily i think it is. |
| 22:05.59 | TimRiker | well, the world is in hh.o cvs. so that's not a big plus. |
| 22:06.12 | kergoth | its just one of many ways to get Oe without using bk. |
| 22:08.22 | file[laptop] | eek people |
| 22:11.57 | TimRiker | eek? |
| 22:19.20 | andersee | with good reason no doubt |
| 22:19.29 | kergoth | heh, indeed |
| 22:20.20 | file[laptop] | be happy! |
| 22:21.25 | jpablo | guys, any what's the recommended small webserver to run php stuff ? |
| 22:21.40 | andersee | boa works |
| 22:21.59 | andersee | aledgedly busybox httpd works, but i've not tried it with php |
| 22:22.03 | Soopaman | okay... google maps is incredible |
| 22:22.06 | kergoth | Soopaman: yep |
| 22:22.12 | kergoth | appweb looks pretty nice, really full featured |
| 22:22.19 | kergoth | including php4 and php5, iirc |
| 22:22.28 | jpablo | andersee: i have to put #!/bin/bla and the beging of all my scripts with boa, right ? |
| 22:22.33 | Soopaman | i swear, google will completely take over the internet in under 2years |
| 22:22.40 | Soopaman | jpablo, use nano |
| 22:22.42 | kergoth | jpablo: yeah, you have to use CGI for it |
| 22:22.47 | Soopaman | it's a php http server |
| 22:22.55 | kergoth | good point, nanoweb works well too, being an http server written in php |
| 22:22.55 | Soopaman | that runs under the same structure as apache |
| 22:23.09 | Soopaman | i use it on my embedded devices |
| 22:23.30 | Soopaman | i believe there is also nanoftp |
| 22:23.41 | Soopaman | which is an ftp/fxp capable server written in php |
| 22:23.50 | Soopaman | but don't take my word for it |
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| 22:25.51 | Soopaman | T0mW, are your tux screens voip compatible? |
| 22:26.03 | T0mW | I dunno |
| 22:26.33 | T0mW | IIRC, there is some mod for that? |
| 22:26.39 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - shanip |
| 22:27.00 | CosmicPenguin | schematics are somewhere on the page of lost souls, otherwise known as the tuxscreen wiki |
| 22:27.14 | T0mW | mmm, well I don't have time for these things and I was thinking of blowing then out of here for $25/per + shipping |
| 22:27.31 | T0mW | I post it on the mailing list |
| 22:27.32 | Soopaman | well in that case... |
| 22:27.47 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a hellva deal |
| 22:27.48 | kergoth | if you do that, i'll take one |
| 22:27.51 | Soopaman | i would take 4 in a few weeks |
| 22:27.59 | jpablo | T0mW: send me one. |
| 22:28.10 | T0mW | I'm gonna keep the one with the 64Meg of RAM and the 10Gig hard drive though |
| 22:28.44 | T0mW | I'll check 'em out, make sure they are still working, IIRC, I put blob on all of them. |
| 22:29.01 | CosmicPenguin | If not, pull out the ol 9V... :) |
| 22:29.06 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh, those were the days |
| 22:29.40 | T0mW | yeah, everything ran on 9volts |
| 22:30.04 | T0mW | andersee was prolly poking fun at Tim's wife about them too |
| 22:30.36 | andersee | nah |
| 22:30.46 | T0mW | :D |
| 22:30.47 | andersee | nobody makes fun of Tim's wife |
| 22:30.56 | CosmicPenguin | I remember we sent a duly elected representative of Century down to Lineo to pick up three or four |
| 22:30.58 | andersee | she'll kick your butt |
| 22:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | Not much work got done over the next few days |
| 22:31.52 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: you mean when you were at Century you sometimes did work? |
| 22:31.57 | andersee | ;-) |
| 22:32.55 | T0mW | andersee: his wife nice lady, peaceful like |
| 22:32.59 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: sometimes |
| 22:33.10 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: when I was working on skunkworks stuff... :) |
| 22:33.13 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/MicrowinScreenshots |
| 22:33.17 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh... memories |
| 22:33.52 | sjhill | "memories....all alone i the moonlight....lah lah lah..." |
| 22:33.57 | T0mW | ooooh, nice pearly white phone! |
| 22:33.57 | sjhill | s/i/in/ |
| 22:34.35 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: heh yeah, its not nearly that white any more.... :) |
| 22:34.59 | T0mW | yeah, mine all seem to be that off-white beige or something |
| 22:35.28 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: what'd you do with that one, scrub it down with shoe polish? |
| 22:35.45 | Soopaman | i really like the look of that |
| 22:36.20 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: thats the way it came - that sucker was about 52 hours out of the box at that point |
| 22:36.42 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin, TimRiker: http://www.pastebin.com/239849 |
| 22:37.07 | CosmicPenguin | I like it |
| 22:38.09 | TimRiker | kergoth: hmm. but DISTRO _is_ set. no? |
| 22:39.11 | kergoth | it is, but i could go pick a different distro that _does_ set the target os |
| 22:39.22 | kergoth | its up to the people maintaining the .conf files to decide where such policy decisions belong |
| 22:39.36 | TimRiker | ah. the message does not lead me to that conclusion. |
| 22:39.44 | T0mW | I was cooking something on the stove, went to grind some pepper into the pan and the grinder came apart. PHOOM! pepercorns all over the freakin' kitchen! |
| 22:40.06 | kergoth | TimRiker: how should it be reworded? |
| 22:40.24 | TimRiker | s/does/may do/ |
| 22:40.55 | kergoth | ah i see how you're reading it |
| 22:41.07 | kergoth | i have .. set a "machine or distro which sets it for you" |
| 22:41.14 | jpablo | grr, the #!/bin/php thing breaks the files for mod_php. |
| 22:41.15 | kergoth | you have set a machine or distro "which sets it for you" |
| 22:41.27 | kergoth | you're readin git like set machine or distro if they're not set already |
| 22:41.36 | kergoth | i'm saying set a machine or distro that does the right thing, not just _any_ machine or distro. |
| 22:42.24 | TimRiker | ahh. then perhaps "choose a different..." ? |
| 22:43.22 | kergoth | Please set them directly, or choose a MACHINE or DISTRO that sets it. <-perhaps? |
| 22:43.29 | TimRiker | great |
| 22:43.31 | kergoth | different implies i have one set already, which i might or might not |
| 22:43.52 | file[laptop] | po, tate, ohs |
| 22:44.11 | TimRiker | po, tot, ohs |
| 22:44.22 | file[laptop] | nooooooo |
| 22:46.43 | file[laptop] | what's everyone up to? |
| 22:48.41 | TimRiker | ~bzfrag file[laptop] |
| 22:48.43 | ibot | ACTION destroys file[laptop] with a guided missle |
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| 22:50.25 | CosmicPenguin | whew - now we can talk bad about file now that he's gone |
| 23:02.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:02.13 | file[laptop] | blasphemy |
| 23:06.00 | sorphin | ~kill All PHBs |
| 23:06.02 | ibot | ACTION shoots a anti-electron gun at All PHBs |
| 23:19.40 | CosmicPenguin | ~quote hpq |
| 23:20.07 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know what that says about Carly Fiorina |
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| 23:21.18 | Soopaman | that she couldn't lead |
| 23:21.48 | CosmicPenguin | obviously so |
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