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01:22.09chouimathttp://xmk.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html <---sound cool
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02:33.25sorphinGPSFan: evening
02:34.06GPSFansorphin: evening dan, how's the weekend treating you?
02:35.04sorphinGPSFan: eh.. ssdd.. tomorrow i get older, hopefully catch UPS w/ my dvd blanks, start cleaning up before this next weekend.., i soldered the 1st board of the programmer w/ what i had so far.. was hoping a 233 would work, but that's 20 pins, and the spot is 16, so i gotta grab some 232s
02:35.39GPSFanah, use your microscope?
02:37.38sorphinyup
02:37.59GPSFandoes the ringlite provide you enough light?
02:38.08sorphinthe second, i just pulled each pin out
02:38.15sorphinpliars on one side, iron on the other
02:38.20sorphinand yeah, it does fine
02:40.28chouimat|eathey sorphin
02:40.50sorphinchouimat|eat: lo mat
02:41.03sorphinwas flipping through channels last night, and your national hero was on VH1
02:42.45chouimat|eatsorphin: you mean the harpie?
02:43.00sorphinyup
02:43.12sorphinnotice the latest on SCO?
02:44.03chouimat|eatsorphin: not yet was working on a vpn today
02:44.14sorphinnod
02:45.50chouimat|eatand I'm tired so I finish my diner and I'mm going to bed
03:28.41chouimat|Zzzznight
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14:10.40sievemorning all
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14:25.09CosmicPenguinMorning
14:27.54sorphini knew they'd pull somehting
14:28.15sorphinnetwork SUCKurity comes back saying 2 serial #'s are invalid, so apparently m ycatalyst doesn't exist :P
14:29.28CosmicPenguinWill wonders never cease?  ftp://microwindows.censoft.com/pub/microwindows/nxlib-0.44.tar.gz
14:31.00sorphinCosmicPenguin: neat, not that i know what nxlib is..
14:36.13CosmicPenguinits a X11 -> Nano-X conversion library
14:36.40CosmicPenguinsorphin: so tecnically, you could compile any X application to work under Nano-X
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14:39.32Mornmorning folks
14:39.40Mornsorry I've been so absent recently
14:39.42MornI've been very sick
14:40.00kergothmorning
14:40.03kergothMorn: feeling better?
14:40.19Morna little, the anti-biotics are starting work
14:40.25Mornand the codine helps with the headaches
14:40.49CosmicPenguinMorn: doh...
14:41.41MornI've had a serious sinus infection, I was in a tremendous amount of pain
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14:53.22sieveMorn: sorry to hear that..  I hope you get to feeling better
14:54.49sorphinmorn; dvd blanks should be here today.. sorry bout the sickness
14:55.37sorphinMorn: as for sinus infection, i have a chronic one, but recently it was a bit worse than normal
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14:58.14Mornsorphin: Not fun
14:58.18Mornthis is the first time for me
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15:14.58sorphinprpplague: heh, i'm one year closer to being as old as you again :P
15:15.34sorphinMorn: well, when sinus surgery doesn't fix it, nor does every med you've ever tried.. you know you have a prob :P
15:17.43sorphin~flishslap sjhill
15:17.44Mornsorphin: ouch
15:17.47sorphingrr
15:17.50sorphindamn laggy crap
15:17.53sorphin~fishslap sjhill
15:17.55ACTION slaps sjhill up side the head with a wet fish.
15:18.02sorphinMorn: indeed
15:18.11sjhillbleh
15:18.12MornI think I am sick from allergies and the high pollen count
15:18.19sorphinMorn: hitting up a diff ENT on the 12th
15:18.23sjhillhey sorphin
15:18.26sjhilllo' Morn
15:18.30sorphinno allergies here, was just at an allergist not long ago
15:18.31sjhillprpplague: hi redneck
15:18.47sorphinsjhill: i know it was you that told network security to harass me :P
15:19.16sjhilloh definitely
15:19.35sjhillpart of my purpose in life is to make yours miserable
15:19.40sjhill:)
15:19.58sorphinsjhill: i don't need the help on that part :P
15:20.05sorphinjust working for mci does that
15:20.09sjhillheh
15:20.33prpplaguesjhill: hey yankee
15:20.37sorphinsjhill: you've missed the fun
15:20.41prpplaguesjhill: lol
15:20.42sorphinprpplague: hey gramps
15:20.50prpplaguesjhill: hows life at timesys?
15:21.10sjhillprpplague: busy, but that's good, especially for a linux company
15:21.10prpplaguesjhill: another day of code pimpin?
15:21.14sjhillyeah
15:21.17sjhillSH3 today
15:21.34sjhillSH4 was a last week and the week before
15:21.49sorphin"you might be a redneck if your irc handle is prpplague, oh wait, forget the might be, you *ARE* a redneck in that case"
15:22.27CosmicPenguinprpplague: you back in the land of cotton yet?
15:22.38sorphinsjhill: heh, SH4, dreamcast style :P
15:22.39prpplaguesorphin: lol
15:22.42kergothbleh
15:22.50kergoth~mondays
15:22.51Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays!
15:22.57sorphin~fishslap kergoth
15:22.58ACTION slaps kergoth up side the head with a wet fish.
15:23.03prpplaguesorphin: ya well, i don't fit in the exact mold of a redneck, but i do have some tendencies
15:23.12sorphinkergoth: give it up, you just got a new job, you can't say that yet
15:23.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yep, got back late sunday morning
15:23.29sorphinprpplague: face it, you're a redneck
15:23.32sorphingunrack and all
15:23.41kergothsorphin: i can too, simply due to the fact that I dont even have my own cubicle yet
15:24.01sorphinkergoth: could be worse
15:24.15kergothindeed
15:24.25sorphinkergoth: least atm when he's not in meeting mode, you can harass tim ;)
15:24.35sorphinyou *could* be in the basement w/ milton
15:24.44sorphinor whatever his name is
15:25.44prpplaguekergoth: you get moved into your apartment?
15:25.58sorphinprpplague: do me a favor, make this my bday present :P, head over to richardson, to glenville rd or whatever, mci building, find network security, and start shooting
15:26.09kergothprpplague: if living out of various boxes is considered moved in.. havent unpacked
15:26.53sorphinkergoth: you can't unpack yet anyways, you're not at your new trailer :P
15:30.40prpplaguekergoth: sooo.... no big haired girl hitting on you yet?
15:31.27prpplaguesorphin: ya well, as much as i would love to do that, even sub-human life forms deserve to live, after all anthropologist need something to study
15:31.44sorphinprpplague: these people don't
15:32.18sorphinprpplague: not when they threaten my job, because their heads are too far up their asses to havea  *real* clue
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16:08.15CosmicPenguinCan anyone guess the font that PocketPC is using here:  http://www.pocketgear.com/Product_images/2/2369/ppc_poker_solitaire.gif
16:25.01sorphinnope
16:25.07sorphinunfortunately, a font is a font to me
16:29.15sorphinheh, a prpplague related story on /.: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/06/02/0023219.shtml?tid=137
16:33.31sorphincomments even have much arguing about the serving temp of guinness
16:36.28CosmicPenguinbah
16:39.09Russhttp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030602/ap_on_re_as/india_deadly_heat_10
16:39.15Russthese people need AC in a really bad way
16:43.56CosmicPenguinThats so sad - India is making such an effort to prove they are a developed country by spending millions on broadband, yet thousands are dying from a lack of a basic air conditioner
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16:54.20sorphinCosmicPenguin: i just realized, we use some evil censoft software here at work
16:54.31CosmicPenguinsorphin: no joke?
16:54.35CosmicPenguinsorphin: what is it?
16:54.39sorphinTinyTerm
16:54.47CosmicPenguinHeh
16:54.51CosmicPenguinFor Windoze?
16:54.56sorphinyeah
16:55.04CosmicPenguinConnecting to what?  
16:55.18sorphinthey use it for some reason to get to one of the order systems, dunno why
16:55.19CosmicPenguinWhat sort of freaky terminal protocol are you using out there?
16:56.04sorphinheh, i dunno what this thing uses, it's called TCOMS
16:56.28sorphinone of hte companies we bought back in the day used it, and it's still used for their stuff
16:56.36CosmicPenguinIs it a SCO box?
16:56.53sorphinwell, orders that use the stuff that "was" theirs
16:56.55sorphini dunno
16:57.00sorphinlemme check
16:57.20CosmicPenguinTinyTerm is really only useful for legacy protocols - you don't need to pay a hundred bucks a seat for VT102 these days
16:58.19sorphinnod
16:58.57sorphinwell, i can't even get to the box aymore, since i haven't used it in eons, so they prolly changed where it is, but i know it telnet'd somewhere, and then somewhere else.. twas a weird setup
16:59.26sorphinlet's just say it makes curses look like a winner :P
17:12.43chouimathi
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17:44.49CosmicPenguinHas anyone dealt with memory that has a chip select for the base address?
17:44.57CosmicPenguins/memory/system
17:45.23Russwhat do you mean
17:52.42anderseeCosmicPenguin: is that sortof like Cable Select on an IDE drive?
17:52.46andersee;-)
17:57.33CosmicPenguinI guess - apparently this system base address starts out at 0x00000000 and then they switch it to 0xF0000000
17:58.02CosmicPenguinThe problem is, they don't switch it back, so the system gets lost when they try to do a warm reset
17:58.57jnorkWhat kind of system is this?
17:59.19CosmicPenguinSome home grown XScale thingy
17:59.47jnorkWhat processor?
18:00.20CosmicPenguinWow
18:01.07jnorkRight, this is Embedded Linux channel... lost track
18:01.29jnorkI've encountered programmable chip selects before... why do you ask?
18:02.01CosmicPenguinI'm just wondering the best way to reset the chip select during reset without freaking out the system
18:02.26jnorkhmm
18:03.53jnorkAssuming you can't force the chip to do a hard reset for some reason... you did say it's a warm reset... I'd be inclined to say, copy a small piece of code to scratch RAM somewhere (possibly even the stack), and have that piece of code reset CS0 and jump into the boot vector.
18:04.27jnorkObviously that RAM location needs to be controlled by something other than CS0. :)
18:08.30CosmicPenguinThats going to be tough
18:09.23CosmicPenguinMy thought was that we could do as much of the reset as possible
18:09.50CosmicPenguinThen we could get the address of a known block of code, modify the chip select, and then jump the PC to the known address (appropriately modified)
18:10.13CosmicPenguinThen, if we keep everything in registers, we should be able to turn off the MMU and jump to 0x0 without too much trouble
18:11.01jnorkIf you're running that code out of non-CS0 space, you can do that too. Problem is, if you're running from CS0 space and modify CS0, you yank your ROM out from under your processor.
18:12.38CosmicPenguinEven if we modify the PC accordingly?
18:12.58jnorkCan you change CS0 and modify the PC in the same instruction?
18:13.39CosmicPenguinNo, but we do have a pipeline that we can take advantage of
18:14.18CosmicPenguinWe should be able to get 1 or 2 instructions in there before we have to go back to ROM
18:14.20jnorkI don't know your processor or MMU, so I don't know what you can get away with. Yeah, if you know your PC modify (Jump instruction, heh) is in the pipeline, you can probably get away with it.
18:14.48CosmicPenguinI'm pretty sure that we can fit at least 2 memory moves in the processor.
18:14.54CosmicPenguins/processor/pipeline/
18:16.09jnorkHas to be 100% dependable that the post-CS0-modify instructions are in the pipleline, enough to get you back to valid ROM. Otherwise you will get intermittent performance.
18:17.07jnorkNot sure why the RAM idea is so hard to do?
18:18.07jnorkI've done fairly large functions that way. Hell, I've done whole ROM sections that way, only way to run while flashing the ROM.
18:18.51CosmicPenguinI'm not entirely sure if we have any memory that isn't governed by CS0
18:19.02jnorkROM in CS0?
18:19.14CosmicPenguinI think so
18:19.21CosmicPenguinIn fact, I know so
18:19.26jnorkThen RAM is almost certainly someplace else.
18:20.07jnorkUnless somebody felt a need to have all of memory come off CS0 and add external chip select logic.
18:21.08jnorkMe myself personally, I'd tend to kill whoever did that slowly and painfully, unless he had a DAMNED good reason for it.
18:23.20jnorkThey do that here all the time. But we have a very thick front wall, so many packages just fit between the storm door and the main door.
18:23.30sorphinnod
18:23.55jnorkIn fact, I got two packages today, one from UPS and one from USPS. About 10 minutes apart.
18:24.28jnorkThey don't even bother to knock, they just drop them off and leave.
18:25.42sorphinknocking here is pointless, by the time i get upstairs they've walked off already
18:48.28chouimatsorphin: a lot of directory that I  don'w know what is in those
18:50.04filebut I have no idea what I'm going to wear
18:51.02chouimatfile: suit
18:51.11prpplagueclean underwear
18:51.14fileI don't have a suit
18:51.26prpplagueor clean underwear?
18:51.36filenope I have clean underwear :p
18:51.44chouimatfile:  go buy one then
18:51.52filechouimat: wouldn't a suit be over doing it a wee bit?
18:51.53chouimatprpplague: hey prpplague
18:52.12prpplaguechouimat: yo! whats up?
18:52.22chouimatfile: remember you have only a chance of doing a first impression
18:52.39sorphinfile: well, not so much a suit as a nice shirt and a tie
18:52.45chouimatprpplague: porting hugo to kde and qtopia <--- bored
18:53.15prpplagueqtopia <--- demented
18:53.16chouimatprpplague: and got the new album of Rain Fell Within :)
18:53.40prpplaguechouimat: was gonna go find evanesence cd tonigh
18:53.42prpplaguet
18:53.58prpplaguechouimat: really like that "wake me up" song
18:54.12chouimatprpplague: hehe I heard the new metallica album an man I wonder where those guys put their balls
18:54.38prpplaguechouimat: their agents have them, along with their wallets
18:56.07chouimatprpplague: yup ... and I will see the Ozzy osbourne show in 2 weeks with  voivod as the opening act and the ex-bass player  of metallica will play with the two band that night (he's now with voivod)
18:58.22sorphinprpplague: heh, that why lars was so anti napster? agent took all his $ and he needed to make the payments on his gold plated ferarri? :P
18:58.40chouimatlol
18:59.05sorphinbtw wake me up is the only song i like off of evanecences album when i listened to it
18:59.40chouimatsorphin: I think lars was against napster because they lost $$ on the bootleg sells :)
18:59.47prpplaguesorphin: hmmm, none of the others are any good?
18:59.58sorphinprpplague: none caught my ear
19:00.22prpplaguechouimat: what about you? listen to any of the other songs on the album?
19:00.56chouimatprpplague: I managed to download another one wait, I will refresh my memory :)
19:04.44chouimatprpplague: My last breath is ok
19:06.17chouimatprpplague: but the "wake me up" is way better
19:07.32sorphinprpplague: would suggest finding somewhere, i.e. borders, or somewhere that has listening stations
19:13.24sorphinchouimat: your name is Mud *g*
19:20.29prpplaguesorphin: ya, i'll see what i can find
19:20.37prpplagueoops, that was for chouimat
19:25.48chouimatsorphin: no Sailing the Seas of cheese
19:26.57chouimathttp://www.kantron.net/adsl.htm <--- sound interesting for next  year
19:29.55sorphinchouimat: mmmmmmmmmmm cheeeeeeeese
19:45.29kergothhmmm
19:54.07chouimatkergoth: ?
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20:59.15CosmicPenguinSo tired
20:59.20sorphinindeed
20:59.28sorphinafter i finish this chinese, i'm taking a nap
20:59.39sorphinnot much of a bday, but ah well
21:00.05filesorphin: Happy Birthday
21:00.21chouimatsorphin: happy birthday
21:03.52kergothhappy bday, dan. how old?
21:05.15sorphinkergoth: 28
21:05.21sorphinand thanks guys
21:06.39chouimatsorphin: only 28 ;)
21:06.49sorphinchouimat: and ?
21:06.56chouimatsorphin: nm
21:08.03chouimatkergoth: can we have a 2.4.18 image on the 5000d?
21:08.55chouimator the sd module is still on your hdd
21:14.16kergothchouimat: module's also in the v3 sharp rom, which uses 2.4.18
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21:36.43jnorkHappy birthday.
21:36.57jnorkchouimat: And how old are you? :)
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21:38.35filechouimat: HD?
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21:43.03chouimatfile: didn't have time yet
21:54.02chouimatkergoth: any inexpensive name registrar?
21:56.00kergothchouimat: ask tmm1
21:58.19chouimatkergoth: anyway it's seem that the name I wan to use is registred .... wtf registred my family name
21:58.49chouimatkergoth: remember ulyx the bot ?
21:58.59kergothyep
21:59.17chouimatkergoth: it's seems that ulyx.ca is available :-P
21:59.46chouimatkergoth: .com,.org and .net too
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22:40.48Russgodaddy.com
22:41.35chouimatRuss: ?
22:42.36Russ"any inexpensive name registrar?"
22:42.51chouimatRuss: ok thanks
22:43.25CosmicPenguinchouimat: I use joker.com
22:43.36CosmicPenguinchouimat: though now that the Euro is doing so well, it might not be as cheap
22:44.13chouimatCosmicPenguin: I'm currently in .ca :)
22:45.00chouimatany I don't need one today I'm planning for next month
22:45.34CosmicPenguinchouimat: And I'm in the US, your point being?
22:46.41chouimatCosmicPenguin: nothing I'm currently tired and hungry I'm wondering if I'm going out to eat or go to the grocery
22:46.49Russdid french canada switch over to the euro?
22:47.11chouimatRuss: not yet :)
22:48.24CosmicPenguinchouimat, Russ:  Its all about the exchange rate
22:49.12chouimat1 cad is 0.7302usd
22:50.07CosmicPenguinThey charge my credit card in euros - and the CC company converts that to dollars
22:50.27chouimat1 cad is 0.6217 euro and 1 cad is  0.4467 GBP
22:51.26filecould you look me in the eye? and tell me that you're happy now?
22:51.58CosmicPenguinchouimat: so a 10 euro registration will cost you 16.08 cad
22:52.33fileI use dotyou.com
22:52.33chouimatfile: ?
22:52.45filethey're $9.95 and include DNS hosting... plus e-mail forwarding...
22:52.52file$13.61 CAD
22:54.20Russhttps://registrar.godaddy.com/default.asp?isc=&se=%2B&from%5Fapp=&authGuid=
22:54.33Russstarts at $8.95, and goes down from there
22:54.44chouimatok thanks
22:54.55chouimatfile: www.kantron.net/adsl.htm
22:55.36filenifty
22:55.51chouimatfile: yup 6.50CAD/month for static ip
22:56.01filechouimat: is it available for you?
22:56.15chouimatfile: yup
22:56.25filechouimat: looks good
22:57.05chouimatfile:  at both place ... I mean if I can't have the quebec appartment and I moving back to my mother house
22:57.09filechouimat: $39.95/mth here for 1.6Mbps down and 640Kbps up, dynamic ip
22:57.45chouimatfile: I can have heavy user at quebec but  not at my mother house
22:58.11filechouimat: ic
22:58.26filechouimat: they had to run a new phone line here for me to get my full speed
22:58.44RussI pay an extra 8 bucks a month for 8 statics
22:59.38fileI just get unlimited dynamic ips (for how many computers I have connected...)
22:59.45chouimatRuss: it's the first proovider that I saw that offer static here in quebec, I can have it with others but if I take the "Business package" at 200/months
23:00.00chouimatfile: the no cap is good too :-P
23:00.05Russdo you get to reverse?
23:00.15filechouimat: my ISP used to cap, not anymore
23:00.51filecable internet costs more here... you get less speed too...
23:01.23Russgeez, 1M up/1M down for about $160
23:01.27Russthats pricey
23:01.36CosmicPenguinWOw
23:01.59fileCosmicPenguin: for what speed?
23:02.02chouimatfile: I don't know which modem to buy
23:02.04Russyou actually got 1M up?
23:02.08Russer, get
23:02.24CosmicPenguinIt varies at this point
23:02.36Russdsl?
23:04.04chouimatRuss: is that for me or CosmicPenguin?
23:04.12RussCosmicPenguin
23:04.32CosmicPenguinRuss: cable
23:04.33chouimatRuss: http://www.kantron.net/adsl.htm <-- which modem on that page?
23:04.51Russno upstream cap then?
23:05.18CosmicPenguinRuss: on total bandwidth?
23:05.31Russ?
23:05.35Russupstream
23:05.52CosmicPenguinI haven't encountered one yet
23:06.06Russall the cable here is capped at 128k or 256k
23:06.34Russ(upstream)
23:09.26chouimat|awaybrb I'm going to fetch something to eat
23:12.50CosmicPenguinSeeh - PTI doesn't translate well to radio
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23:40.17*** join/#elinux kewt (~kewt@000-150-881.area1.spcsdns.net)
23:53.40fileGAH
23:53.43filemy poor broken laptop
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23:55.29ab0ooTim, are you around?
23:56.47ab0oocan anyone here help me bring a dead TuxScreen back to life?
23:57.20chouimat|foodhmmmmm KFC

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