| 00:10.30 | glytchbinary | what library is -lc ? |
| 00:14.47 | glytchbinary | nevermind |
| 00:14.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:15.20 | glytchbinary | anyone have an arm processor to test an executable for me? |
| 00:15.22 | glytchbinary | (: |
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| 00:39.39 | sorphin | coo |
| 00:40.02 | sorphin | the latest detonator drivers seem to have eliminated my random green pixel probs when using hardware acceleration |
| 00:46.50 | glytchbinary | thats always good sorphin, no one likes random green pixels |
| 00:46.58 | glytchbinary | well.. i'm just assuming no one does |
| 00:54.47 | sorphin | twas annoying |
| 00:58.34 | glytchbinary | arg!@#! |
| 00:58.42 | glytchbinary | damn this cross compiling gcc hates me (: |
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| 01:12.07 | chouimat|tv | Shogun on tv! laterz |
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| 01:59.47 | file[bed] | chouimat: wb |
| 02:00.09 | chouimat | hi file[bed] |
| 02:00.29 | file[bed] | what's up? |
| 02:01.30 | chouimat | file[bed]: watching tv ... |
| 02:01.51 | file[bed] | chouimat: anything good on? |
| 02:03.02 | chouimat | file[bed]: yup shogun on historia |
| 02:03.11 | file[bed] | ic |
| 02:03.28 | file[bed] | well my laptop is cooking me, therefore I am leaving |
| 02:03.37 | chouimat | night |
| 02:06.37 | file[bed] | bloody hell my G key came off |
| 02:07.53 | file[bed] | how can I get it back in I wonder... |
| 02:12.09 | file[bed] | it snaps in... |
| 02:12.13 | file[bed] | mmm |
| 02:44.35 | Russ | ya, I took all my keys off and put them back on |
| 02:44.39 | Russ | aoeui4ever |
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| 12:26.36 | TomW | good morning world |
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| 12:47.07 | mallum | hey TomW |
| 12:47.37 | TomW | good morning, just getting caught up on the Helen comix. |
| 12:48.14 | TomW | I don't read them for a few months, then I can enjoy them later enmass |
| 12:50.22 | sorphin | TomW: O'scope finally shipped yesterday apparently |
| 12:50.40 | TomW | ? |
| 12:50.45 | TomW | you bought one? |
| 12:51.32 | TomW | what was it, a 2465? |
| 12:52.53 | sorphin | yeah |
| 12:53.03 | sorphin | bought it end of last week :P |
| 12:53.17 | sorphin | a tek one :P |
| 12:54.49 | TomW | oh, right, I have had so much going on that I forgot. |
| 12:55.16 | TomW | so, now that you have a microscope and a scope, what are you going to build with them? |
| 12:55.41 | sorphin | TomW: something to take over the world? :P |
| 12:55.43 | TomW | something easy, like an ARM7TDMI board? |
| 12:56.11 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:56.26 | sorphin | and where am i gonna get the sample/$ to fab a board? :P |
| 12:56.50 | TomW | samples hell, you can purchase the chips from digikey. |
| 12:57.31 | TomW | what is it, an AT91M42800 for 20 some dollars? |
| 12:57.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:57.57 | TomW | no MMU, so you would have to stick uClinux on it... |
| 12:58.17 | sorphin | nod |
| 12:59.20 | sorphin | TomW: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25415&item=2525632196 |
| 12:59.38 | TomW | $18.47 for one piece, 144 lead TQFP package. |
| 13:00.33 | TomW | what does a new probe sell for? |
| 13:01.27 | sorphin | 100 |
| 13:01.41 | TomW | Microsoft has stepped up work on Longhorn, the next version of Windows. A new test version, leaked onto the Web last week, is more advanced than analysts had expected. |
| 13:01.56 | sorphin | that's nice :P |
| 13:02.03 | sorphin | thought it was fugly |
| 13:02.03 | TomW | Wonder what marketing guy in Redmond leaked it? |
| 13:02.38 | TomW | hmm, must be another one of those "best windoze ever" products? |
| 13:03.04 | TomW | you use that vmware 4 yet? |
| 13:03.19 | sorphin | no, chouimat installed it |
| 13:03.59 | TomW | k, I have version keys since 1.0 |
| 13:04.28 | TomW | really cool program |
| 13:04.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:05.35 | TomW | I still have to do windoze work, but it is also nice to load a copy of debian or suse with to tinker with another linux version. Without commiting a whole computer to it. |
| 13:06.32 | TomW | yeah, but I upgraded as it has been about two years since my last upgrade and the cost was not something that would break my wallet. |
| 13:06.52 | sorphin | ;nods |
| 13:06.59 | TomW | it has enabled me to make some money using it. |
| 13:07.23 | sorphin | or should i say |
| 13:07.25 | sorphin | very very rarely |
| 13:08.01 | TomW | well, some of it I do. I purchased the Eagle CAD package to do PCBs here. I needed a package that would handle metric measurements and the old Tango package (hacked) didn't do metric. |
| 13:08.15 | sorphin | nod |
| 13:08.38 | TomW | the eagle was only $400 per module (schematic, layout, autorouter), I could have done away with the autorouter. |
| 13:09.51 | TomW | I looked at some of the free stuff that was out there to do PCBs but they lacked a lot of features that I am used to. Like Copper Pouring |
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| 13:11.08 | TomW | hmmm, wonder what I'll make for breakfast? Maybe some salmon & cream cheese.. I am back on the Atkins diet again. |
| 13:11.45 | TomW | ... now that I can afford to buy meat again. :/ |
| 13:11.59 | sorphin | yuck |
| 13:12.06 | TomW | "life sucks, then you get a purchase order" |
| 13:12.16 | sorphin | well, speaking of fish |
| 13:12.19 | sorphin | ~fishslap sjhill |
| 13:12.20 | | ACTION slaps sjhill up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 13:12.24 | sorphin | there's some fish for mipsboy |
| 13:12.26 | TomW | heheee |
| 13:12.26 | sjhill | i KNEW that was coming |
| 13:12.40 | TomW | whyyyyyyyy? |
| 13:12.53 | TomW | sjhill: did you do... |
| 13:13.45 | sjhill | TomW: after i get back from my wedding it shall be done :) |
| 13:13.51 | TomW | k |
| 13:13.58 | TomW | your wedding?! |
| 13:14.04 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 13:14.09 | sjhill | i get married on friday |
| 13:14.12 | TomW | wow, first time? |
| 13:14.15 | sjhill | 2nd |
| 13:14.17 | sorphin | TomW: yup, sjhill's getting buried |
| 13:14.19 | TomW | k |
| 13:14.19 | sorphin | again |
| 13:14.50 | sorphin | TomW: he didn't learn his lesson the 1st time |
| 13:15.12 | sorphin | and apparently seeing prpplague's life didn't teach him either |
| 13:15.13 | TomW | <sigh> women are nice to have around tho |
| 13:15.26 | sorphin | TomW: so you live with them :P |
| 13:15.47 | TomW | every man figures the other guy was just a jerk and it won't be the same for him. |
| 13:15.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:16.13 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I am along that same line.. I haven't found a "keeper" yet. |
| 13:16.51 | sorphin | bbl. gotta leave for work |
| 13:16.53 | TomW | time to eat, bbl |
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| 14:09.14 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:13.02 | sorphin | lo |
| 14:14.00 | sorphin | uh oh, it's that tom walsh guy again |
| 14:14.27 | TomW | yeah, just cannot lurk anymore without getting in trouble. |
| 14:14.45 | sorphin | indeed |
| 14:15.02 | sorphin | TomW: i'll prolly max on that probe at 50 or 75 |
| 14:15.07 | sorphin | since i can get a new new one for 100 |
| 14:15.40 | TomW | well, not much can happen to a probe, but you can get an intermittant one. |
| 14:15.49 | sorphin | i wouldn't say not much :P |
| 14:16.03 | TomW | indeed |
| 14:16.17 | sorphin | that's enough for me not to buy it ;) |
| 14:16.28 | TomW | heh, yeah, just tack on some wire and it will be fine, right? |
| 14:16.42 | sorphin | suuuuuuuuuuuure |
| 14:17.19 | sorphin | TomW: so if my math still works, a 10x w/ 300mhz BW (that's assuming the 300mhz is w/o being 10x'd?) |
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| 14:20.27 | TomW | be back in a bit, got to whip some code up for a customer to test. |
| 14:20.36 | sorphin | bah |
| 14:20.49 | sorphin | and he wanders off :P |
| 14:24.36 | sorphin | haha |
| 14:24.41 | sorphin | this person bidding on some probes |
| 14:24.44 | sorphin | has -1 feedback |
| 14:24.55 | sorphin | i'm surprised the seller hasn't canceled his bid |
| 14:31.07 | CosmicPenguin | morning folks |
| 14:31.14 | sorphin | lo |
| 14:31.36 | CosmicPenguin | Whats new in the world today? |
| 14:32.05 | sorphin | dunno bout the world |
| 14:32.10 | sorphin | just watching ebay myself |
| 14:33.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: anything good? |
| 14:33.40 | sorphin | just probes for the new oscope |
| 14:33.56 | sorphin | which itself will be here thursday |
| 14:36.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what's new in CPland? |
| 14:38.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ssdd |
| 14:39.29 | sorphin | ya |
| 14:39.38 | CosmicPenguin | I need to find a svideo -> component cable |
| 14:39.51 | sorphin | svid to component.. hmm |
| 14:41.38 | CosmicPenguin | I found this: http://www.cablesamerica.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=6803&sku=27990 |
| 14:41.44 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm not 100% sure thats what I want |
| 14:42.07 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: $$$ |
| 14:42.14 | signal11 | i think that is an expensive conversion |
| 14:42.40 | sorphin | signal11: umm |
| 14:43.01 | signal11 | well i have seen de-interlacers for $300; perhaps there are simple signal converters for a lot less |
| 14:43.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no. that's not what you want |
| 14:43.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: why not? |
| 14:43.32 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, damn - I didn't want component - sorry |
| 14:43.41 | CosmicPenguin | I wanted straight RCA |
| 14:43.44 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:43.47 | signal11 | aka composite |
| 14:43.47 | sorphin | in that case |
| 14:43.50 | sorphin | that's cheap |
| 14:43.53 | sorphin | you can MAKE one |
| 14:43.54 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:44.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: well, a normal person could make one |
| 14:44.09 | signal11 | heh they should have made those terms a little different |
| 14:44.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's reallly easy to make one |
| 14:44.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: one sec |
| 14:46.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: all you do is tie each pair of pins together and add a cap, i had a page bookmarked showing it |
| 14:46.35 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: ping |
| 14:51.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: that would be cool - I can probably scrounge up a few caps and a cable |
| 14:51.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I could even get those at Rat Shack |
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| 15:00.25 | sorphin | TimRiker: morning |
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| 15:03.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html |
| 15:03.21 | sorphin | prpplague: mornin grumpy |
| 15:11.12 | prpplague^2 | sorphin: grumpy? |
| 15:11.27 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: morning |
| 15:11.32 | sorphin | prpplague: when you haven't had your daily dose of POS ;) |
| 15:12.26 | sorphin | ya know.. i don't get this, if i do cp: it matches to cosmic, but if i did say, prp^2: it wouldn't match |
| 15:12.34 | sorphin | wonder why |
| 15:17.08 | mallum | prpplague^2: hey |
| 15:17.15 | TimRiker | prpplague^2: hear from Eric yet? |
| 15:17.33 | mallum | prpplague^2: there are X images for the 5000d at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/collie |
| 15:18.39 | sorphin | TimRiker: he said X not XXX :P |
| 15:18.41 | TimRiker | what's there on top of X? icewm? browser? |
| 15:18.57 | sorphin | prolly matchbox |
| 15:20.05 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: ya mb |
| 15:20.12 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: no, not heard from eric |
| 15:20.27 | prpplague^2 | TimRiker: why? did he say he was gonna contact me? |
| 15:21.13 | mallum | TimRiker: X, matchbox and rxvt :-) |
| 15:21.27 | prpplague^2 | mallum: great!, i'll dl them |
| 15:21.49 | mallum | TimRiker: very up to date X though :-) , tslib, patched 4.3, latest freetype & fontconfig, vera-fonts etc |
| 15:22.36 | MornWork | sorphin: I found out what that god awful sound was from yesterday |
| 15:22.43 | MornWork | sorphin: and it had nothing to do with the OS |
| 15:22.46 | sorphin | Morn: heh |
| 15:22.49 | mallum | TimRiker: it libc 2.3.1 based, so you can bodge install familiar gtk/gpe packages until someone getting round to adding that to OZ |
| 15:22.49 | sorphin | what was it then? |
| 15:22.56 | MornWork | sorphin: it was a drive failed in the array |
| 15:23.05 | sorphin | Morn: sounds about right |
| 15:23.10 | MornWork | and the card was letting the whole neighborhood know |
| 15:23.22 | sorphin | Morn: least now you know ;) |
| 15:23.28 | mallum | TimRiker: btw, could you ask ibot kindly to hang out in #matchbox ? |
| 15:23.29 | MornWork | luckily it is a redundant array, so easy enough to fix |
| 15:23.48 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:24.20 | MornWork | mallum: 'bodge'? |
| 15:24.39 | sorphin | make |
| 15:24.58 | sorphin | hack |
| 15:24.59 | sorphin | cludge |
| 15:25.01 | MornWork | never heard that word before |
| 15:25.04 | mallum | MornWork: yeah cludge |
| 15:25.05 | sorphin | Morn: he's british |
| 15:25.41 | MornWork | it's ok, people make fun of some of my expressions |
| 15:25.58 | sorphin | Morn: like ? |
| 15:26.12 | MornWork | sorphin: "It's making down." |
| 15:26.35 | sorphin | which means |
| 15:26.40 | MornWork | it's raining |
| 15:27.01 | MornWork | it's a PA Dutch expression |
| 15:27.04 | MornWork | where I grew up |
| 15:27.05 | mallum | anyone know much about exim ? like how I add an alias ? I know fuck all about mailservers and lack the interest to learn :\ |
| 15:27.20 | MornWork | mallum: if it was sendmail I could help |
| 15:30.13 | mallum | MornWork: doh, never mind :/ |
| 15:30.55 | sorphin | mallum: i know exim :P |
| 15:31.53 | mallum | sorphin: aha :-) |
| 15:32.26 | mallum | sorphin: where do I stick an alais so a script get run when a mail is sent to a particular address ? |
| 15:32.43 | sorphin | mallum: btw, make sure you have relaying set proper so you're not an open relay like i was for ages :P |
| 15:32.52 | sorphin | hold |
| 15:33.09 | mallum | sorphin: yeah I think I set it only to relay for localhost |
| 15:34.06 | sorphin | mallum: you have a couple choices |
| 15:34.26 | sorphin | do it traditional (if there's only one dmain, etc) |
| 15:34.29 | sorphin | in /etc/aliases |
| 15:34.45 | sorphin | and make sure your exim.conf file |
| 15:34.50 | sorphin | has a section like: |
| 15:34.51 | sorphin | system_aliases: |
| 15:34.51 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.51 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.51 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.51 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.53 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.55 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.46 | sorphin | what i do is a bit more indepth |
| 15:35.53 | sorphin | cuz of the multi domains |
| 15:36.06 | mallum | the above should do it - thanks :-) |
| 15:36.13 | sorphin | no worries |
| 15:37.20 | MornWork | it's not any more difficult than 1 domain really |
| 15:37.29 | sorphin | Morn: how can you still RUN CertMail? :P |
| 15:37.52 | MornWork | sorphin: I've been running it for too many years |
| 15:37.52 | sorphin | man exim is a breeze to deal w/ |
| 15:37.58 | signal11 | MornWork: are the accounts on all those domains the same? e.g. is webmaster@foo.com different than webmaster@bar.com? |
| 15:38.11 | signal11 | or do you just have a bunch of Cw's |
| 15:38.16 | MornWork | signal11: depends on how you want to do it |
| 15:38.26 | MornWork | with virtusers they can be different |
| 15:38.38 | signal11 | how painful is virtusers |
| 15:38.49 | MornWork | signal11: not very |
| 15:39.15 | MornWork | the painful thing for some people is the order that sendmail attempts to determine what to do with a message |
| 15:39.23 | MornWork | ie which comes first virtusers or aliases? |
| 15:39.44 | MornWork | and what is the difference between an alias and a virtuser? |
| 15:40.04 | MornWork | not difficult, but you have to know these things or odd things will happen |
| 15:40.42 | sorphin | MornWork: now you see why i stick w/ exim (well, that and the lack of 50000000 cert advisories ;) ) |
| 15:41.35 | MornWork | sorphin: I invested a HUGE amount of time into sendmail a long time ago, and as of yet haven't been bitten by any of the cert advisories, so I stick with it |
| 15:41.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:42.16 | sorphin | well, more power to ya if you can keep it secure/cooperative |
| 15:42.39 | MornWork | yeah, I guess I've been running sendmail since my early linux days (1993) |
| 15:49.10 | chouimat|Zzzzz | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030429&mode=classic |
| 15:49.29 | chouimat | morningg |
| 15:51.28 | TomW | sorphin: so, the 10X sweep mode, right? |
| 15:52.51 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone know off hand how to force the kernel to not check the partitions of IDE drives during bootup? |
| 15:53.14 | TomW | yeah, don't mount them |
| 15:53.18 | TomW | LOL |
| 15:53.43 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: no - this is during inital bring up |
| 15:53.53 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: are talking about the initial kernel startup? |
| 15:54.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: yeah |
| 15:54.04 | TomW | isn't the last two entries in fstab dealing with the file system integrity check? like instead of "1 1" set it to "0 0" and it won't run fsck on them. |
| 15:54.08 | sorphin | TomW: eh? |
| 15:54.21 | TomW | sorphin: you said something about 10X |
| 15:54.25 | sorphin | yes i did |
| 15:54.33 | sorphin | TomW: those 6131 probes |
| 15:54.39 | sorphin | they're 10x probes |
| 15:54.42 | sorphin | 300mhz bw |
| 15:55.06 | sorphin | does that essentially mean i have 300mhz x10 of bw w/ that probe ? |
| 15:55.20 | TomW | oh, 10X means that they attentuate the signal by a factor of 10. 10 volts on the probe would show up as 1 volt on the scope. |
| 15:55.32 | TomW | nothing to do with the speed. |
| 15:55.37 | sorphin | oh |
| 15:56.01 | sorphin | so there's nothing to give more bw w/o a higher speed scope then? |
| 15:56.04 | prpplague^2 | TomW: thats after the kernel has mounted a rootfs, iirc |
| 15:56.18 | sorphin | prpplague: yes, it is |
| 15:56.25 | sorphin | you can however |
| 15:56.28 | sorphin | use tune2fs |
| 15:56.35 | sorphin | to turn off time based fscking |
| 15:56.42 | sorphin | as well as mount count fscking |
| 15:56.47 | TomW | most tek scopes autosense when a 10x probe is used and will adjust the vertical voltage range to accomodate it. All a 10x probe does is give you less electrical loading (less milliamps) to the circuit you are looking at. |
| 15:56.58 | chouimat | hi sorphin TomW prpplague* CosmicPenguin |
| 15:57.05 | sorphin | chouimat: allo mat |
| 15:57.06 | prpplague^2 | chouimat: morning |
| 15:57.35 | sorphin | prpplague: i clear both of them, so it never fsck's unless there's a real error |
| 15:57.39 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, tune2fs should do it for you. If not hdparms, something like that. |
| 15:58.05 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: or, you can set the check value up so high that it practically never runs the fsck. |
| 15:58.16 | sorphin | TomW: um |
| 15:58.16 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: no, no, no - this is long, long before any devices are even mounted |
| 15:58.18 | sorphin | actually |
| 15:58.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: tune2fs |
| 15:58.33 | sorphin | -i |
| 15:58.35 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: are you having problems with it trashing or hanging on the check? |
| 15:58.51 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: it automatically does a partition check when the IDE drives are first recognized - and my problem is that the boot sector of the drive is corrupted, so it takes forever for the kernel to get past the errors |
| 15:58.52 | sorphin | and -c |
| 15:59.01 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: oh? You mean when it checks to see the organization (Hd/Cyl/Sec) of the drive? |
| 15:59.05 | CosmicPenguin | I know the drive is broken - I want it to skip the partition check |
| 15:59.06 | sorphin | oh |
| 15:59.11 | chouimat | http://www.dilbert.com/ |
| 15:59.12 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: a little bit after that |
| 15:59.12 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: geometry |
| 15:59.18 | sorphin | ah, partition scan |
| 15:59.20 | Error403 | Is it just me, or isn't there suppose to be a /dev/touchscreen on the tuxscreen? |
| 15:59.20 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: fs/partition/check.c |
| 15:59.29 | sorphin | tomw had me thinking fs :P |
| 15:59.37 | sorphin | ~fishslap tomw |
| 15:59.42 | | ACTION slaps tomw up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 15:59.47 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: try looking at some of the kernel args you can pass |
| 15:59.51 | TomW | ibot: kill ibot |
| 15:59.52 | | ACTION slits ibot's throat |
| 15:59.59 | sorphin | ibot: nuke TomW |
| 16:00.00 | | nukes TomW with a single large nuke |
| 16:00.04 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: should be able to put them in you bootloader |
| 16:00.10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I didn't see anything right off the bat, thats why I asked |
| 16:00.10 | TomW | ~lart sorphin |
| 16:00.19 | sorphin | anyways |
| 16:00.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: um.. gimme a min, i thikn there's a way to stop it |
| 16:00.52 | TomW | Error403: there was a ts device, I don't think it had that name though |
| 16:00.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: btw, did you look at that hut.fi link? |
| 16:01.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: is this the only drive on that chain ? |
| 16:01.17 | Error403 | TomW: How could there be a device, but not have a name? :/ |
| 16:01.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: on that chain, yeah |
| 16:01.37 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: one sec found it |
| 16:01.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: do you want it just to skip the partition check and the drive to still be hitable later ? |
| 16:01.45 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 16:01.52 | sorphin | k |
| 16:02.04 | sorphin | prpplague: which ? |
| 16:02.04 | TomW | Error403: /boot/var/dev/ucb1x00-ts c 666 0 0 10 14 - - - |
| 16:02.19 | Error403 | TomW: Basically I'm looking for some of the information I need to write a keyboard and touchscreen driver for opie for the tuxscreen. I already have opie running, but keyboard and ts don't work |
| 16:02.31 | TomW | Error403: ucb1x00-ts, look for the entry in sources/device_table.txt |
| 16:02.41 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: tslib doesn't work? |
| 16:03.21 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: hmm, where do I get tslib? |
| 16:03.31 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: bah! How fast can a librar'ied touch driver run? |
| 16:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: tslib? |
| 16:03.32 | | [tslib] a library that reads /dev/ucb1x00-ts and has dynamically loadable filters for scaling, calibration, and jitter removal |
| 16:03.43 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: where does tslib live? |
| 16:03.59 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: somebody has to calibrate it |
| 16:04.10 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Well, Qt/E has scaling, calibration, and jitter removal, but it's just not picking up on the correct device. |
| 16:04.10 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: if not tslib, then you have to write your own hacknied driver |
| 16:04.13 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, but the overhead... |
| 16:04.25 | sorphin | TomW: isn't that bad |
| 16:04.27 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: the overhead is there anyway - build it statically if you are so paraniod |
| 16:04.39 | TomW | mmm |
| 16:04.48 | CosmicPenguin | personally, I don't like tslib - but I use microwindows, and we have our own calibration built in anyway |
| 16:05.11 | TomW | yeah, we have tslib courtesy of Russell King... |
| 16:05.23 | prpplague^2 | warning pasting |
| 16:05.27 | prpplague^2 | If the auto-probing during boot time confuses a drive (ie. the drive works |
| 16:05.27 | prpplague^2 | with hd.c but not with ide.c), then an command line option may be specified |
| 16:05.27 | prpplague^2 | for each drive for which you'd like the drive to skip the hardware |
| 16:05.27 | prpplague^2 | probe/identification sequence. For example: |
| 16:05.27 | prpplague^2 | hdb=noprobe |
| 16:05.28 | prpplague^2 | or |
| 16:05.30 | prpplague^2 | hdc=768,16,32 |
| 16:05.32 | prpplague^2 | hdc=noprobe |
| 16:05.39 | CosmicPenguin | beautiful! |
| 16:05.47 | TomW | prpplague: cool! |
| 16:05.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but I can still access it later? |
| 16:06.13 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: ya based on the text you should be able to |
| 16:06.20 | TomW | you should, you are just specifying instead of probing. |
| 16:06.29 | Error403 | is it possible to cat ucb1x00-ts? |
| 16:07.04 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: you can just add that into lilo.conf as an append arg |
| 16:07.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: or grub.. :) |
| 16:07.21 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 16:07.22 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: in arm-linux cvs |
| 16:07.23 | TomW | Error403: probably not and get anyting usefull out of it. IIRC, the tslib uses IOCTLs to do most work. |
| 16:07.36 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: grubba dub dub |
| 16:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: actually, no - the ucb driver doesn't use any ioctls at all |
| 16:07.55 | TomW | ah |
| 16:08.01 | TomW | I stand corrected |
| 16:08.15 | sorphin | TomW: then sit down |
| 16:08.19 | TomW | k |
| 16:08.20 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: its a 12 byte packet, IIRC - x pos, y pos, pressure and timestamp |
| 16:08.35 | CosmicPenguin | they're all shorts, so there should be a pad between pressure and timestamp |
| 16:08.41 | CosmicPenguin | timestamp might be a long though |
| 16:08.51 | Error403 | ok, so before I start developing a driver, what's the best way to test to see if the touchscreen driver is functioning? |
| 16:09.05 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: don't reinvent the wheel - use tslib |
| 16:09.32 | TomW | Error403: write an app that opens /dev/ucb1x00-ts and reads it? |
| 16:09.57 | sorphin | TomW: so again i ask, there's no way to move/change the bw around on a scope other tha ngetting a diff scope ? |
| 16:10.09 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: is it a stream or block device? |
| 16:10.20 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: char device |
| 16:11.25 | TomW | sorphin: no, the probe can limit what the scope sees, 100MHz probe will "roll-off", or attenuate the higher frequency signals giving you an erroreous reading of the signal aplitude. |
| 16:12.02 | sorphin | TomW: i meant something magnifying what the scope can handle |
| 16:12.18 | TomW | sorphin: device "magnifying" |
| 16:12.28 | sorphin | you mean define? |
| 16:12.33 | TomW | sorphin: err, define "magnifying" |
| 16:12.51 | sorphin | well, atm, this 300mhz scope will do 0-300mhz, correct? |
| 16:12.57 | TomW | right |
| 16:13.10 | TomW | so you want to goto 1GHz with it? |
| 16:13.11 | sorphin | any way to say shift that? |
| 16:13.24 | sorphin | instead of DC-300mhz |
| 16:13.31 | TomW | so you want to goto 1GHz with it? |
| 16:13.46 | sorphin | i dunno bout that high, but yea, something like that |
| 16:13.49 | TomW | ain't gonna happen |
| 16:14.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:14.22 | TomW | sorphin: if you are going to use it on RF, you really should look into a spectrum ananlyzer. |
| 16:14.33 | sorphin | why not ? :P you can convert 800mhz signals down to 400mhz for a scanner :P |
| 16:14.35 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Well, what device does tslib provide? /dev/psaux ? :) |
| 16:14.53 | TomW | when dealing with RF you are more concerned with watts instead of volts. |
| 16:14.58 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: no, the device is ucbx100-ts char (11,0) |
| 16:15.00 | sorphin | TomW: not talking RF |
| 16:15.04 | CosmicPenguin | tslib just knows how to read it and calibrate it correctly |
| 16:15.05 | sorphin | persay |
| 16:15.27 | TomW | sorphin: no practical way to extend the frequency range of a scope. |
| 16:15.35 | sorphin | TomW: unless you consider a cpu's speed RF |
| 16:15.45 | TomW | sorphin: except to replace the horiz & vert amps. |
| 16:15.53 | TomW | sorphin: it is |
| 16:15.54 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Right, but like I said, I don't need a driver for that since Qt/E provides that (as long as it's similar to other touchscreens), I just need to let Qt/E know which device the touchscreen is |
| 16:16.06 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: so tell it |
| 16:16.29 | TomW | Error403: /dev/ucb1x00-ts |
| 16:16.35 | Error403 | yes yes :) |
| 16:16.42 | CosmicPenguin | How is it that Qt/E doesn't have a ucb driver? |
| 16:16.58 | TomW | 'cause QT sux? |
| 16:17.05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats only the most used digital->analog chip in the embedded world |
| 16:17.07 | TomW | heh |
| 16:17.22 | Error403 | TomW: Hey! Bad person, you. |
| 16:17.27 | TomW | heh |
| 16:17.41 | sorphin | Error403: well, QT *does* suck |
| 16:17.43 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: I didn't say it didn't, but is that device standard? Maybe I'm missing something |
| 16:17.47 | Error403 | no, not really |
| 16:18.02 | Error403 | Let me guess, GTK is so much better? |
| 16:18.12 | TomW | matchbox is ok |
| 16:18.15 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: its used quite widly - ADS, the Zaurus, the tuxscreen, the Agenda.... |
| 16:18.17 | TomW | for embedded stuff |
| 16:18.45 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: no - but tinyX and matchbox and fltk and Microwindows and PicoGUI are all quite superior |
| 16:18.58 | Error403 | In which way? |
| 16:19.01 | TomW | Error403: depends on your point of view, I don't build PDAs so QT/E is of no interest to me. |
| 16:19.54 | TomW | Error403: PDA in my mind == universal device, I do a lot of proprietary hardware design that does a single dedicated task(s). |
| 16:20.16 | prpplague^2 | Error403: i'm with CosmicPenguin, there are alot of far superior GUI's than qt/e |
| 16:20.29 | TomW | Error403: for me to use a "universal" desktop makes no sense, it is a performance hog & eats up a lot of memory. |
| 16:20.32 | sorphin | since kergoth hasn't been around |
| 16:20.39 | sorphin | ibot: tuesday |
| 16:20.39 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday) |
| 16:20.54 | TomW | sorphin: we have to change Tuesday... |
| 16:21.08 | sorphin | TomW: to ? |
| 16:21.23 | TomW | ibot: Tuesday is also a day in which there are no meetings |
| 16:21.24 | | okay, TomW |
| 16:21.29 | Error403 | prpplague^2: There are no actual GUIs that are superior in documentation, provided functionality, and flexibility, but there are (obviously) going to be some that are smaller and lighter. |
| 16:21.31 | TomW | ibot: tuesday |
| 16:21.32 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday), or a day in which there are no meetings |
| 16:22.22 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: unfortunately, you have stumbled into a group of people who just plain don't like Qt/E |
| 16:22.24 | TomW | sorphin: like who in their right mind holds a meeting on a Tuesday, eh? |
| 16:22.36 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: with reason |
| 16:22.50 | prpplague^2 | Error403: hmm, i'd have to disagree, but its a respectful disagreement :) |
| 16:23.01 | TomW | prpplague^2: noted |
| 16:23.10 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, I picked up on that, but unfortunately anyone with a C-liking tends to share the same opinion (maybe it's just coincidence) |
| 16:23.36 | sorphin | TomW: heh, you'd be surprised |
| 16:23.37 | Error403 | I know a lot of people dislike C++ because GCC sucks at compiling it |
| 16:23.45 | TomW | Error403: well, IMO, C is the only language best suited for realtime work. |
| 16:23.56 | sorphin | Error403: umm |
| 16:24.03 | sorphin | i dislike C++, regardless of what gcc does w/ it |
| 16:24.11 | TomW | Error403: you have a much higher degree of control over the code that is generated and what it is doing. |
| 16:24.58 | Error403 | Ok, well, in the general interest of all of us, lets stop before making this a flamewar ;) |
| 16:25.29 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: you're just lucky scanline isn't here |
| 16:25.44 | TomW | Error403: C++ code generation can create whole bunches of opcodes that you would not be aware of unless you dis-assembled the binary, or listed the assembler source (-s) |
| 16:26.02 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Yes, Qt/E opens /dev/ts on the Zaurus |
| 16:26.08 | TomW | Error403: micah is a nice guy, misguided, but nice. |
| 16:26.48 | Error403 | TomW: I agree for kernel level stuff C is far superior considering that C++ is overkill (and on some systems, has more overhead) |
| 16:27.26 | sorphin | i just dislike all the extra crap in C++ |
| 16:27.41 | sorphin | i did C++ for the class that required it, and then stopped using it again |
| 16:28.13 | Error403 | Well, I respect your opinion. |
| 16:28.22 | Error403 | any hoot, going to make this thing work |
| 16:28.34 | Error403 | I think a simple symlink MIGHT work |
| 16:29.42 | prpplague^2 | Error403: what are you having problems with? |
| 16:29.51 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: so how big is your image? Does it fit on the flash? |
| 16:31.10 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Nah, I am using it over NFS, but it's like 50-60meg |
| 16:31.13 | Error403 | probably less |
| 16:31.25 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - thats too bad |
| 16:31.43 | Error403 | well, damn 'du' is following symlinks |
| 16:31.49 | Error403 | and tacking that on |
| 16:33.01 | Error403 | woah |
| 16:33.12 | Error403 | there's a 28meg static Qt/E lib in there |
| 16:33.15 | Error403 | heh |
| 16:33.20 | sorphin | ugh |
| 16:33.32 | Error403 | Qt/E itself is 3.8megs |
| 16:33.46 | Error403 | That's almost a full build though |
| 16:34.05 | Error403 | The Zaurus uses like half as much for its lib |
| 16:34.10 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: that incudes a browser, games, pim suite and all that? |
| 16:34.34 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Nope, Opie does that, and that's another 14meg |
| 16:34.34 | Error403 | hehe |
| 16:34.37 | Error403 | I don't care though |
| 16:34.38 | CosmicPenguin | Ohh... |
| 16:34.42 | Error403 | NFS rulez ;) |
| 16:35.05 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: so, thats not really embedded, now is it? |
| 16:35.09 | sorphin | Error403: he's snickering cuz pixil beats that ;) |
| 16:35.25 | chouimat | Error403: and your goals are? |
| 16:35.35 | Error403 | keeping in mind that size isn't an issue |
| 16:35.38 | sorphin | chouimat: sounds liek to take as much space as possible ;) |
| 16:35.45 | CosmicPenguin | Size is always an issue |
| 16:35.50 | prpplague^2 | Error403: ha, when is size never an issue? |
| 16:35.50 | sorphin | Error403: size is always an issue, just ask any woman |
| 16:36.00 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Well, I'm not doing this to gloat about my size ( hehe ), but |
| 16:36.01 | Error403 | hah |
| 16:36.04 | chouimat | pixil is out now? or it's just on CosmicPenguin box |
| 16:36.11 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: still pending |
| 16:36.26 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: you know how it is - corporate wheels move slowly |
| 16:36.30 | Error403 | Is that like Paxil, but for the embedded devices? ;) |
| 16:36.33 | Error403 | j/k :) |
| 16:36.43 | sorphin | Error403: i should kick you just for that ;) |
| 16:36.45 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok but we can't do anything with Vaporware :) |
| 16:36.59 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: You're preaching to the choir |
| 16:37.01 | Error403 | sorphin: You said something along the lines of that last time ;) |
| 16:37.10 | chouimat | Error403: that one is bad |
| 16:37.18 | Error403 | hehe |
| 16:37.20 | sorphin | Error403: well, you're on strike 2 ;) |
| 16:37.27 | Error403 | sorphin: pff |
| 16:37.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: go easy on him |
| 16:37.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: why? he likes QT and C++ |
| 16:37.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: we're not haters here, even if they do love Qt/E |
| 16:37.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i should be larting him w/ a baseball bat |
| 16:38.07 | chouimat | sorphin: he code for KDE too |
| 16:38.14 | sorphin | chouimat: *shiver* |
| 16:38.16 | Error403 | sorphin: I am thinking the samething about you, but I don't care |
| 16:38.30 | sorphin | Error403: you don't know a thing about me ;) |
| 16:38.31 | Error403 | chouimat: Not anymore, I don't code anymore (minus trying to get this thing working) |
| 16:38.43 | Error403 | sorphin: Right back at ya |
| 16:38.54 | sorphin | Error403: i know what you prefer/work on |
| 16:38.54 | chouimat | Error403: you know George-? Sorphin is like him but with more class |
| 16:39.08 | sorphin | chouimat: and that means |
| 16:39.24 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
| 16:39.30 | Error403 | what's Yopy? ;) |
| 16:39.32 | sorphin | scanline: uh oh |
| 16:39.46 | sorphin | Error403: you're in trouble now ;) micah's here |
| 16:39.56 | scanline | haha |
| 16:40.00 | scanline | yeah.. or something... |
| 16:40.17 | Error403 | whatever |
| 16:40.19 | sorphin | Error403: a mispronounced Yuppy ;) |
| 16:40.25 | chouimat | sorphin: I was saying someething you act like George- but you're more polite than him ... that's all :) |
| 16:40.41 | sorphin | chouimat: who is George- ? |
| 16:40.50 | sorphin | scanline: where ? |
| 16:41.01 | chouimat | sorphin: aa 15 years-old twit that lurk in #zaurus and #kde-devel |
| 16:41.03 | scanline | sorphin: Colorado Space Grant Consortium |
| 16:41.18 | Error403 | Oh, Yopy is a touch screen device |
| 16:41.31 | chouimat | sorphin: it's a joke |
| 16:41.32 | sorphin | scanline: coo |
| 16:41.33 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: sounds like fun |
| 16:41.40 | Error403 | chouimat: 15? I thought he was like 13 |
| 16:41.46 | scanline | could be :) |
| 16:41.53 | sorphin | chouimat: lesse, i'm not 15, and i don't lurk |
| 16:42.02 | sorphin | scanline: good luck |
| 16:42.07 | scanline | thanks |
| 16:42.26 | sorphin | chouimat: and i dunno about polite, i'm nice when it's warranted |
| 16:42.28 | chouimat | Error403: he got it about 2 or 3 weeks agoo |
| 16:42.31 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: people might call you alot of things, but luker isn't one of them |
| 16:42.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, atleast i know i'm a prick |
| 16:43.47 | *** join/#elinux signal11 (~markl@42dbce11.leased.aros.net) |
| 16:44.07 | sorphin | signal11: such stability ;) |
| 16:44.30 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: I've got a few premade structs here for the ts, which one is it: unsigned short pressure, unsigned short x, unsigned y, unsigned pad, unsigned stamp (stamp being another struct of 'timeval'); unsigned short pressure, unsigned short x, unsigned short y, unsigned short pad? |
| 16:44.55 | Error403 | I also have: long y, long x, long pressure, and long long milliseconds |
| 16:44.57 | chouimat | prpplague^2: got time to play with the gp322? |
| 16:45.11 | prpplague^2 | chouimat: not yet |
| 16:45.23 | prpplague^2 | chouimat: just got scheduled for 8 days in seattle :( |
| 16:45.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: noprobe made it disappear forever |
| 16:45.42 | chouimat | prpplague: ok ... I'm still wondering if I order one |
| 16:45.44 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: did you add the drive geometry as well? |
| 16:45.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: no... |
| 16:46.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: oops |
| 16:46.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: kinda need to ;) |
| 16:46.05 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Oh, I suppose I could do that |
| 16:46.05 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: uhhh.....you need to |
| 16:46.27 | prpplague^2 | anyone know if there is an easy way to play a wav file on the internal speaker? |
| 16:46.42 | prpplague^2 | of a peecee that is |
| 16:46.46 | sorphin | prpplague: not w/o the driver there is out |
| 16:46.51 | sorphin | for using the internal speaker |
| 16:46.59 | signal11 | argh |
| 16:47.02 | signal11 | aros... |
| 16:47.21 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I've seen a program that can do that - but you do need the speaker driver |
| 16:47.32 | CosmicPenguin | there should be one in later versions of the kernel, irrc |
| 16:47.38 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:47.42 | sorphin | i've seen it before |
| 16:47.54 | sorphin | never had inclination to use it |
| 16:47.55 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: drivers/misc/ucb1x00-ts.c maybe? ;) |
| 16:48.30 | Error403 | cool, it's the touchscreen struct used in the iPaq |
| 16:49.49 | Error403 | I think I'll make this patch (to Qt and/or Opie) public for other Tuxscreen users |
| 16:49.52 | Error403 | but nap time first |
| 16:56.23 | TomW | suddenly got quiet around here, must be lunch time or the boss showed up. |
| 16:56.40 | TomW | lunchtime |
| 16:56.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:58.59 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: btw, I grilled some chicken last night over charcoal. When I spiced it with Cumen I also sprinkled a little cinnamin on it as well, along with the red pepper. |
| 17:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: sounds tasty |
| 17:01.17 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: tastes good cold, you don't notice the spices as much when the chicken is hot off the grill. |
| 17:01.23 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: nod |
| 17:01.36 | chouimat | hmmm with a little mayonnaise .... |
| 17:01.47 | sorphin | chouimat: yuck |
| 17:02.12 | chouimat | :P |
| 17:02.16 | CosmicPenguin | When it comes to mexican food, cinnimon and lime are the very perfect ingredients |
| 17:02.31 | CosmicPenguin | Its not by chance that tequila goes so well with a lime |
| 17:02.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, even i like taco hell's steak soft tacos (they have lime sauce) |
| 17:03.11 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... here's the recap. If I boot with a 7.2 disk and do the rescue mode, I can read my borked drive no problem |
| 17:03.24 | CosmicPenguin | But if I boot with 2.4.18 and normal IDE params, I can't mount it at all |
| 17:03.35 | CosmicPenguin | The question is - what the hell am I missing? |
| 17:03.54 | sorphin | look at what their rescue mode/kernel does/users |
| 17:05.06 | chouimat | ok time for a little tv |
| 17:05.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: sadly, its a cdrom - so the magic happens in the initrd |
| 17:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | And I can't chain my IDE->CF dongle into the mix - so what I have is a serious lack of options |
| 17:06.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nod |
| 17:08.48 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: any ideas? |
| 17:09.23 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:09.40 | MornWork | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 17:09.45 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: hi |
| 17:09.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: maybe a floppy disk? |
| 17:10.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, depending on the size of their initrd/kernel |
| 17:10.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm not worried about the bootup - since I do have a CF |
| 17:10.24 | sorphin | tho you can make it 2 floppies if needed |
| 17:10.26 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:10.38 | CosmicPenguin | I'm more worried about getting the disk stuff back on to my other system |
| 17:10.44 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder... |
| 17:11.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so RH's kernel scans the partitions ok? |
| 17:11.19 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah |
| 17:11.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 17:11.35 | sorphin | what kern version? |
| 17:11.51 | sorphin | and have you tried giving it the geometry like was mentioned? |
| 17:13.19 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, didn't work |
| 17:13.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: is it a partition thing? |
| 17:14.01 | CosmicPenguin | I have msdos partition support built in |
| 17:15.22 | sorphin | so what happens, it tries to read the ptable and hangs ? |
| 17:15.33 | CosmicPenguin | Bad access on the sector |
| 17:16.16 | CosmicPenguin | dangit, dangit, dangit |
| 17:16.27 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:16.49 | sorphin | can't just boot w/ RH's kernel |
| 17:16.53 | sorphin | and your rootfs ? |
| 17:17.23 | CosmicPenguin | RH's kernel is on the cdrom - |
| 17:17.58 | sorphin | so? |
| 17:18.13 | sorphin | you *can* specify a root device |
| 17:18.33 | sorphin | last i checked |
| 17:18.45 | CosmicPenguin | thats a good point |
| 17:19.02 | sorphin | :) |
| 17:21.02 | CosmicPenguin | they do have a boot image on the CD |
| 17:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | for a dos disk |
| 17:21.06 | sorphin | yup |
| 17:21.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: all that cd is doing is emulating a floppy via eltorito |
| 17:22.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I agree - and that would free up my ide |
| 17:22.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ok, I'll do that |
| 17:23.56 | sorphin | TomW: back for more huh? |
| 17:24.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: unfortunately, my only working floppy is in my desktop, so I will have to so some dynamic hotswapping |
| 17:24.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:24.35 | sorphin | every machine i have has a floppy |
| 17:24.44 | sorphin | plus i still have an Ls-120 somewhere |
| 17:24.51 | CosmicPenguin | my epia didn't come with a HD, sadly |
| 17:24.55 | CosmicPenguin | s/HD/FD/ |
| 17:24.59 | sorphin | and yet you have Dell no longer selling machine's w/ floppies |
| 17:25.16 | sorphin | "cuz they're useless now" |
| 17:28.08 | CosmicPenguin | grr... |
| 17:28.09 | CosmicPenguin | bbl |
| 17:34.45 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: that just stupid selling a pc without floppy IMHO |
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| 18:05.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: guess what, I discovered a few HDs lying around |
| 18:05.43 | CosmicPenguin | an IDE, and a Baracuda too... :) |
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| 18:11.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 18:22.16 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know how big it is though... |
| 18:24.36 | sorphin | look em up? |
| 18:24.48 | sorphin | andersee: evening mr poet |
| 18:25.04 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.. we're talking 1995 here, i think |
| 18:26.02 | andersee | sorphin: morning |
| 18:29.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: 2G |
| 18:30.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:47.09 | Error403 | mmm, nap was good |
| 18:47.44 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: So, was that touchscreen driver also used on the 3600 iPaq? |
| 18:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | no - the Ipaq has a microcontroller |
| 18:48.40 | CosmicPenguin | the packet is the same though, I think |
| 18:48.44 | CosmicPenguin | maybe |
| 18:48.46 | Error403 | ahh, ok |
| 18:48.49 | Error403 | yes |
| 18:48.50 | Error403 | it is |
| 18:50.13 | file | /away |
| 18:50.16 | file | whoops |
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| 18:57.36 | chouimat|tv | ok bbl must go post the taxes reports |
| 18:57.56 | chouimat|away | and take my lunch hour |
| 19:00.10 | Error403 | I'm assuming that the tuxscreen's keymap is different than the standard PC101? |
| 19:26.07 | file | greetings all |
| 19:35.35 | chouimat | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/30441.html |
| 19:35.58 | MornWork | any bright ideas on how to reboot a system you don't have physical access to when the reboot command doesn't work? |
| 19:36.04 | MornWork | the load is now over 105 |
| 19:36.13 | chouimat | ouch |
| 19:36.21 | chouimat | MornWork: send someone? |
| 19:36.39 | MornWork | chouimat: no physical access to the location |
| 19:37.00 | Error403 | MornWork: Somehow send it Ctrl+Alt+Delete :) |
| 19:37.13 | Error403 | well |
| 19:37.18 | Error403 | I suppose that just runs reboot |
| 19:37.34 | Error403 | MornWork: Install 'reboot'? ;) |
| 19:38.11 | chouimat | shutdown -r now? |
| 19:38.34 | MornWork | reboot doesn't work |
| 19:38.41 | MornWork | just sends the message |
| 19:38.47 | MornWork | and creates more "D"ead processes |
| 19:39.22 | Error403 | MornWork: Does it have APM or APIC? :/ |
| 19:39.26 | Error403 | err |
| 19:39.28 | Error403 | ACPI |
| 19:39.46 | MornWork | It's hooked up to a UPS |
| 19:40.11 | Error403 | send a command to that thing |
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| 19:58.03 | sorphin | MornWork: i had this prob before |
| 19:58.14 | MornWork | lots of alloc errors |
| 19:58.16 | sorphin | had to have something to call the kernel's reboot command |
| 19:58.27 | MornWork | seems the OOM is killing things |
| 19:58.37 | MornWork | sorphin: such as? |
| 19:58.43 | sorphin | MornWork: i turned off OOM btw ;) |
| 19:58.51 | MornWork | the "reboot" command doesn't seem to work |
| 19:58.56 | sorphin | MornWork: i know |
| 19:59.03 | sorphin | reboot does a graceful |
| 19:59.12 | sorphin | you have to call the same call IT makes |
| 19:59.14 | sorphin | when it goes to reboot |
| 19:59.29 | MornWork | you wouldn't happen to know another way of doing that? |
| 20:00.14 | sorphin | no, it's a call to a func the kernel |
| 20:00.19 | sorphin | other than that |
| 20:00.31 | sorphin | all you can do is have someone flip the switch/push the button |
| 20:00.40 | sorphin | if you can't SysRQ it |
| 20:01.01 | MornWork | I have no physical access |
| 20:01.12 | MornWork | besides being a 2.5 hour drive, I don't have keys any more |
| 20:01.43 | sorphin | can't have the roommate hit reset? |
| 20:01.57 | sorphin | well, ex roommate |
| 20:02.26 | MornWork | she works in Boston during the week |
| 20:02.35 | MornWork | a 4 hour drive away from the house |
| 20:02.39 | sorphin | i'd say you're sol then :/ |
| 20:02.54 | sorphin | unless you had watchdog running, which you obviously don't |
| 20:03.03 | sorphin | MornWork: there's no accepting to it |
| 20:03.15 | sorphin | MornWork: unless you still have network access to it |
| 20:03.18 | MornWork | there is always an option... |
| 20:03.20 | sorphin | and can upload a program |
| 20:03.23 | sorphin | and it'll actually RUN |
| 20:03.32 | sorphin | there is nothing left |
| 20:03.32 | MornWork | I have network access |
| 20:03.38 | MornWork | I am logged in right now |
| 20:03.43 | sorphin | can you run something w/o it seffaulting? |
| 20:03.43 | MornWork | I could even compile something |
| 20:03.47 | MornWork | yeah |
| 20:03.51 | sorphin | ok |
| 20:03.52 | MornWork | things run fine |
| 20:03.53 | sorphin | hold on then |
| 20:06.02 | Error403 | Just hope there isn't problems when it attempts to boot again ;) |
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| 20:06.50 | sorphin | Error403: shaddup and go play with your QT/E. |
| 20:06.54 | Error403 | funny, you took the words right out of my mouth |
| 20:07.20 | Error403 | sorphin: Settle down, 'tis a joke |
| 20:08.30 | sorphin | MornWork: you're gonna wanna kill as much as you can |
| 20:08.41 | sorphin | and any fs you can umount or remount r/o |
| 20:08.50 | sorphin | cuz this is gonna be an ungraceful reboot |
| 20:09.25 | MornWork | ok |
| 20:11.40 | sorphin | MornWork: just make a small C program |
| 20:11.45 | sorphin | include linux/reboot.h |
| 20:11.53 | sorphin | and call machine_restart(NULL); |
| 20:12.33 | Error403 | sorphin: Can I make a joke? ;) |
| 20:12.39 | sorphin | No. |
| 20:12.47 | Error403 | Feh |
| 20:13.19 | sorphin | Error403: ok, yo ucan make a joke, if it's something i'll find amusing :P |
| 20:13.59 | Error403 | Ok ok, make sure to return from the main function |
| 20:14.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:14.22 | sorphin | Error403: 99% of the time, my main's are void :P |
| 20:14.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: you have any comments on that spec? |
| 20:14.50 | CosmicPenguin | ahh... void. Is there any sweeter word in the C langauge? |
| 20:15.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: NULL |
| 20:15.12 | Error403 | sorphin: Suppose it really doesn't matter until you want to let other apps use in a subprocess |
| 20:15.32 | sorphin | Error403: well, a lot of what i do doesn't need to |
| 20:15.55 | Error403 | yeah, that's usually the case |
| 20:18.11 | MornWork | sorphin: what lib would I link against for that? |
| 20:18.47 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:19.01 | sorphin | hold on |
| 20:19.32 | Error403 | MornWork: Are you getting an undefined reference? |
| 20:19.52 | MornWork | yes |
| 20:19.55 | Error403 | hmm |
| 20:19.58 | sorphin | yea |
| 20:19.59 | sorphin | i see |
| 20:20.04 | sorphin | doh |
| 20:20.06 | sorphin | hold on |
| 20:20.17 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:20.18 | Error403 | It's a kernel, why would you need to link to anything |
| 20:20.23 | sorphin | just change NULL to 0 |
| 20:20.24 | Error403 | funky |
| 20:20.30 | MornWork | I did that |
| 20:20.32 | MornWork | hold on |
| 20:20.35 | MornWork | soemthing is happening |
| 20:20.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:20.58 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.58 | sorphin | : undefined reference to `machine_restart' |
| 20:21.08 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: nothing new |
| 20:21.12 | sorphin | piece of crap |
| 20:21.13 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: looks pretty nice |
| 20:21.28 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: i didn't see the description for the text out widget |
| 20:21.35 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: or did i just miss it? |
| 20:25.20 | sorphin | MornWork: ok |
| 20:25.25 | sorphin | try this |
| 20:25.32 | sorphin | use sys/reboot.h instead |
| 20:25.45 | sorphin | and use: |
| 20:26.07 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.42 | sorphin | taht compiles ok |
| 20:26.45 | sorphin | and should work |
| 20:27.08 | sorphin | basically: |
| 20:27.08 | sorphin | #include <sys/reboot.h> |
| 20:27.09 | sorphin | void main() |
| 20:27.09 | sorphin | { |
| 20:27.09 | sorphin | reboot(RB_AUTOBOOT); |
| 20:27.09 | sorphin | } |
| 20:27.56 | MornWork | ok |
| 20:29.31 | Russ | hm...I just had it argued to me that wealth and poverty is de4fined by the world average, so by western countries becoming richer, we are making everyone else poorer, even if they are per capita getting richer...and therefore, they should hate us |
| 20:34.28 | sorphin | MornWork: it work? |
| 20:34.49 | MornWork | someone else tried something before I could do that |
| 20:34.58 | MornWork | now the only open ports are 80,443,and 3306 |
| 20:35.07 | MornWork | so I think it's trying to shut down apache and mysql |
| 20:35.11 | MornWork | I can only pray |
| 20:35.36 | MornWork | I'm going to go home and see if I can do anything |
| 20:40.43 | sorphin | someone else tried something? |
| 20:45.20 | Russ | "Should be zero means the value transferred in the Rd." |
| 20:49.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I didn't put it in yet |
| 20:57.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I'm struggling with the definition of the blob() type |
| 20:58.10 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: i figured you might |
| 20:58.33 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: probably need to start with a specific type rather than generic to get some concepts down |
| 20:58.44 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: try doing a simple image file |
| 20:59.13 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: i.e. when you click on the widget a file browser pops up |
| 20:59.23 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: work out some details there first |
| 20:59.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: how do we specify how the destination device is supposed to handle the type? |
| 20:59.27 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: imho |
| 20:59.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: for example, how do we infer that the device should get the barcode from the barcode reader? |
| 21:00.17 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: well that should be the programs job, not ours |
| 21:00.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: but its supposed to be a generic form |
| 21:01.07 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: agreed, but sometimes you need to start with something specific to understand the overall process |
| 21:01.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: so we would be completely unable to specify a generic type. If we wanted a barcode, it would have to be type barcode() |
| 21:01.23 | CosmicPenguin | if we wanted a web cam image, it would have to be webcam(), etc... |
| 21:01.30 | file | mmm? |
| 21:01.46 | CosmicPenguin | Because the program would be unable to determine if it should get the image from a camera, file dialog, etc, etc... |
| 21:01.54 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: trust me, if you start with one of those and just have a look at what needs to be done first |
| 21:02.07 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: then think about what you have to do to make it generic |
| 21:02.21 | prpplague^2 | file: go back to sleep |
| 21:02.26 | prpplague^2 | file: :) |
| 21:02.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I agree - so lets look at a barcode, and a image |
| 21:02.36 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 21:03.10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: so on those devices that are camera ready, then the image will come automaticaly from the camera, and otherwise it will come from a file dialog? |
| 21:03.18 | CosmicPenguin | Is that the restriction we need to make? |
| 21:03.49 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: well, as i see it, external apps will general respond back with a filename |
| 21:04.02 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: thats what will actuall be stored |
| 21:04.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: ok. I guess we can then assume that any media type will spawn an external application? |
| 21:05.01 | CosmicPenguin | Also, IO types? |
| 21:06.26 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: i'm thinking on that |
| 21:09.14 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: i'm thinking io types should open a device and expect input |
| 21:09.26 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: let me running a couple ideas through |
| 21:09.36 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: give me a little time |
| 21:11.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: if it helps, think about the same form running on a PDA and a cell phone |
| 21:11.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: when you have to think about the different form factors, it makes things a bit more interesting |
| 21:14.15 | prpplague^2 | ya, i always think on the mobile device level |
| 21:30.05 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: have you tried to boot your Epia from the USB? |
| 21:33.29 | Russ | how does .align work again? |
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| 21:59.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I have to run an errand, but I will be back |
| 22:00.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I put a new version up with the file() data type |
| 22:00.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: I'm not entirely happy with it |
| 22:00.42 | file | mmm? mmm. |
| 22:31.22 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: heh no |
| 22:31.32 | signal11 | you mean a usb keyboard or hard drive? |
| 22:31.46 | signal11 | i still have never used a usb drive, sadly. i'm out of touch |
| 23:11.45 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I just got a usb key drive... lets see if it works |
| 23:12.38 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: how big and how much? |
| 23:12.51 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: 64MB for 29.99 |
| 23:13.08 | CosmicPenguin | I know, I could get a better price, but after shipping and all, I figure its a wash |
| 23:13.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 23:13.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I wanted a 32MB dongle, but nobody carried one that small |
| 23:13.28 | sorphin | yeah |
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| 23:13.33 | sorphin | i was lookin at the 256's |
| 23:13.34 | CosmicPenguin | Plus I had to get a USB hub |
| 23:13.37 | sorphin | GPSFan_: evening |
| 23:13.48 | GPSFan_ | hi dan, http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/WebPal/wpds1.jpg |
| 23:14.21 | sorphin | GPSFan_: btw, got a P6131 |
| 23:14.55 | sorphin | cool |
| 23:14.59 | sorphin | where'd you do the board? |
| 23:16.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'd even charge you good prices |
| 23:16.07 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: good probe, it's the second generation "modular" design, the tips tend to break off if you drop them though, ;( but they are easily replacable ;) at a somewhat inflated cost ;(. I had the boards made, just got them. |
| 23:16.32 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: expressPCB |
| 23:16.38 | sorphin | ah |
| 23:16.48 | sorphin | GPSFan_: well, it's the only 300mhz probe i could find :P |
| 23:16.51 | sorphin | paid $39 |
| 23:17.36 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: better than $100, don't get me wrong, those are good probes, esp for smt work. |
| 23:17.59 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: did you get ground clips with it? |
| 23:18.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: how could you ever compete with totally awesome computers? :-) |
| 23:18.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 23:18.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: sorry, kind of an inside joke - I was wondering if signal11 was still around |
| 23:18.46 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: totally awesome computers is run by this guy who makes annoying commercials on TV and on the radio |
| 23:19.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: he has his head so far up bill gate's butt, you can't tell where he ends and bill begins |
| 23:19.47 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: dcc me your snail mail address and I'll send you a bare board |
| 23:21.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 23:21.08 | sorphin | GPSFan_: coo :) |
| 23:21.46 | sorphin | how many did you run ? |
| 23:21.57 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: 20 |
| 23:22.05 | sorphin | wowsers |
| 23:22.21 | sorphin | how much did that set you back? |
| 23:22.39 | sorphin | GPSFan_: btw.. been trying to figure something out |
| 23:22.42 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: makes a good general purpose ttl-RS232 interface, can be used lots of other places |
| 23:23.16 | sorphin | GPSFan_: they have cables to power/charge the Zaurus off of USB |
| 23:23.19 | sorphin | however |
| 23:23.34 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: ~$7.00 each. but with the setup charges, 20 was the best price point. |
| 23:23.35 | sorphin | each USB device is supposed to have a max of 500ma |
| 23:23.51 | sorphin | looking at the back of the Z |
| 23:24.10 | sorphin | w/ the ac adapter, it's 5.0v @ 6.2W |
| 23:24.33 | sorphin | thats more than 500ma |
| 23:25.11 | Error403 | Am I right to assume that the tuxscreen has way different keycodes than other devices/computers..? |
| 23:25.15 | GPSFan_ | the 6.2 watts is on the wall wart or on the back of the Z itself? |
| 23:25.22 | sorphin | GPSFan_: the Z |
| 23:25.32 | sorphin | the wallwart puts out like 2.1A |
| 23:26.32 | sorphin | so i dunno how serialio is pullin it off |
| 23:27.24 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: lots of people/companies violate USB specs. also, the 6.2watts may be a max figure with BL on full, charging, and some for the CF & SD cards. I'm sure Sharp isn't above "bending" the rules. ;>) |
| 23:27.26 | Error403 | ok then, where can I get the scancodes...? |
| 23:27.47 | sorphin | Error403: umm |
| 23:28.00 | sorphin | no clue |
| 23:28.31 | sorphin | GPSFan_: well, 6.2w is 1.24A |
| 23:28.34 | Error403 | Excuse my ignorance about this embedded stuff, but is there a way I can test the scancodes for each key? |
| 23:28.35 | sorphin | that's bending a bit far |
| 23:29.39 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: do you have any actual figures? as in measurements. |
| 23:30.04 | sorphin | GPSFan_: no |
| 23:30.38 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: my ipaq 3765 says 5v @2A on the back. |
| 23:30.48 | sorphin | GPSFan_: btw.. any hints/links on making an L meter (or adapter for a meter that can measure everything else), and/or a watt meter (saw on a commercial, a guy using a watt meter, heh |
| 23:31.13 | sorphin | GPSFan_: well, maybe, but serialIO isn't also selling a cable to charge your ipaq from usb ;) |
| 23:32.41 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: L meter, check the ARRL handbook, or maybe back issues of Nuts&Volts. for a low power DC watt meter, jsut use a DVM to measure the current and voltage seperately. |
| 23:33.30 | GPSFan_ | bbl dinner. mmmm! |
| 23:34.08 | sorphin | GPSFan_: which means interrupting the ckt :P |
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| 23:49.50 | Error403 | Call me crazy, but I get the feeling libnsl should be bigger than 1.5Kb, right? |
| 23:50.00 | Error403 | Call me crazy, but I get the feeling libnsl should be bigger than 1.5Kb, right? |
| 23:50.19 | sorphin | um |
| 23:50.23 | sorphin | quit duping :P |
| 23:50.29 | Error403 | oh |
| 23:50.32 | Error403 | I did? I'm sorry |
| 23:50.44 | sorphin | Error403: fyi |
| 23:50.48 | sorphin | 75300 May 25 2001 /lib/libnsl-2.2.3.so |
| 23:51.01 | Error403 | hmm |
| 23:51.08 | Error403 | Is that uclibc or glibc? |
| 23:51.17 | sorphin | glibc |
| 23:51.30 | Error403 | sheesh, my glibc one is 860kb |
| 23:51.36 | Error403 | wonder what happened there |
| 23:52.50 | Error403 | Heh, no wonder, libnsl is a stub ;) |
| 23:52.57 | Error403 | in uclibc at least |
| 23:57.00 | CosmicPenguin | grr... doesn't work, apparently |
| 23:58.28 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Oh, quick question, do you know if the tuxscreen keyboard scancodes are different and if so, where can I find a list of them? :/ |
| 23:59.35 | Error403 | different than PC101, that is. |
