| 00:08.34 | mallum | kergoth: no I lie again it does seem to build if I enter the build dir myself |
| 00:10.22 | mallum | kergoth: no ignore me still |
| 00:10.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:13.07 | mallum | Im smoking crack here |
| 00:13.10 | mallum | by the kilo |
| 00:13.55 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs can blow me |
| 00:13.58 | kergoth | piece of shit |
| 00:28.58 | Russ | hey kergoth |
| 00:29.30 | CosmicPenguin | Russ! Haven't seen you in a while |
| 00:33.45 | Russ | ya, been busy with job search |
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| 02:28.10 | sorphin | prpplague: lo |
| 02:28.31 | prpplague | evening all |
| 02:28.33 | prpplague | kergoth: your home on a friday? |
| 02:28.37 | prpplague | sorphin: lo |
| 02:28.39 | prpplague | sorphin: hey my fine fellow corporate whore? |
| 02:28.59 | chouimat|music | hey prpplague |
| 02:29.09 | kergoth | yeah i'm home, i've been home since tuesday evening |
| 02:29.14 | kergoth | called in sick |
| 02:29.21 | kergoth | been a fucking recluse |
| 02:29.21 | prpplague | ohh |
| 02:29.25 | kergoth | need to go party or something |
| 02:29.32 | sorphin | prpplague: bit less of one than i could be, i've actually told them things i won't do, and they can't do anything about it |
| 02:29.34 | prpplague | lol, probably got lots of work done too :) |
| 02:30.03 | kergoth | woo |
| 02:30.19 | prpplague | chouimat|music: thanks, but i'm doing an unthinkable tonight |
| 02:30.30 | kergoth | prpplague: dare i ask? |
| 02:30.46 | prpplague | i'm drinking a nice belgian ale from an american larger glass |
| 02:30.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:31.01 | sorphin | kergoth: prolly because he's likely keeping his job |
| 02:31.17 | kergoth | heheh, yeah thatd be cause to feel better about it |
| 02:31.19 | chouimat|music | prpplague: drink it in a wine glass or a mug I don't care :) |
| 02:31.24 | sorphin | decent reason to feel better bout it |
| 02:31.52 | prpplague | chouimat|music: i do, you don't get the full effect of a quality brew in the wrong glass |
| 02:32.20 | sorphin | clear |
| 02:32.22 | sorphin | grr |
| 02:33.34 | kergoth | heh, I'll be remotivated the day I leave Digi, and not beofre |
| 02:33.35 | kergoth | before |
| 02:34.09 | prpplague | kergoth: ya, but you work on oz |
| 02:34.21 | prpplague | kergoth: i get burned out too fast on projects |
| 02:34.41 | kergoth | yeah, this is the only one i've stuck with for any period of time |
| 02:34.46 | kergoth | everything else i got bored of |
| 02:35.18 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=6710&FanOfID=1210 |
| 02:36.12 | chouimat|music | prpplague: good? |
| 02:36.42 | prpplague | kergoth: i've to try really hard to live up to the community standards for linux, i.e. documentation,follow through on things like easy makefiles and keepin things posix |
| 02:36.47 | prpplague | chouimat|music: very nice |
| 02:37.21 | chouimat|music | prpplague: I'm ripping 2 song from ambeon |
| 02:37.29 | prpplague | chouimat|music: for me? |
| 02:37.30 | kergoth | prpplague: documentation? whats that? |
| 02:37.46 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, guess you'd not anything about that with your digi background |
| 02:37.52 | chouimat|music | prpplague: or anyone who want a sample |
| 02:37.58 | kergoth | prpplague: hah |
| 02:39.04 | prpplague | kergoth: sure you don't want to move to texas and get yourself a big hair'd east texas girl? |
| 02:39.18 | chouimat|music | hehe my cat just saw the Doritos bag |
| 02:39.25 | kergoth | chouimat|music: uh oh |
| 02:39.44 | chouimat|music | kergoth: and he jumps to catch the chips |
| 02:39.53 | prpplague | chouimat|music: mmmm, fat it up, means more tamales |
| 02:40.02 | chouimat|music | prpplague: hehe |
| 02:40.05 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. if theres a job there with that big haired texan girl, i'm all over it :P |
| 02:40.11 | kergoth | brb, more caffeine |
| 02:40.30 | chouimat|music | prpplague: he's favorite flavor: cheddard and japaleno |
| 02:40.40 | prpplague | kergoth: we can fix you up |
| 02:41.03 | prpplague | kergoth: just remember, before you kiss her, make sure you as her to take out her chew |
| 02:41.13 | prpplague | s/as/ask |
| 02:42.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:42.52 | chouimat|music | mmmmm nothing like Doritos and guinness to be happy |
| 02:43.35 | chouimat|music | prpplague: start one :) |
| 02:43.50 | prpplague | chouimat|music: i need ppl with expertese |
| 02:43.59 | chouimat|music | prpplague: ok |
| 02:44.37 | kergoth | prpplague: aha fuck man, I just dumped a chick cause she smelled bad.. chew? buh-bye |
| 02:44.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:46.29 | prpplague | chouimat|music: i had a chain of computer stores for 5 years, i know i'm not cut out for sales and accounting |
| 02:46.41 | kergoth | prpplague: hmm http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/5cd7/zoom/ |
| 02:46.43 | prpplague | kergoth: what you don't like a chick that chew's? |
| 02:46.52 | chouimat|music | kergoth: nothing like a girl that got a strong fishy odor to remind a guy why he hate fishing trip |
| 02:47.02 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:47.05 | CosmicPenguin | evining folks |
| 02:47.15 | chouimat|music | prpplague: ok |
| 02:47.24 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, love that one |
| 02:47.26 | kergoth | nah, she smoked too much, her very body eminated it and blended with her other scents in most unpleasant ways |
| 02:47.58 | prpplague | kergoth: ya smoking is a big negative in my book |
| 02:48.27 | chouimat|music | kergoth: the problem is all interisting girl I meet smokes :( |
| 02:50.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 02:51.53 | chouimat|music | prpplague: accept DCC? |
| 02:52.24 | prpplague | shoudl be able to |
| 02:53.33 | chouimat|music | prpplague: first of two |
| 02:53.50 | kergoth | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/5cdb/zoom/ <-fits me pretty well nowadays |
| 02:55.12 | prpplague | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/32cf/zoom/ |
| 02:55.36 | prpplague | kergoth: this one fits me - http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/32c5/zoom/ |
| 02:55.36 | kergoth | I was going to buy one |
| 02:55.40 | kergoth | the apathy one |
| 02:55.48 | kergoth | and hang it up at work |
| 02:55.52 | kergoth | but then i decided i wanted to keep my job :) |
| 02:56.14 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, that one is like the slacker motto or something |
| 02:56.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: wassup? |
| 02:57.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ssdd, just blowing my diet with some belgian ale and trying to get my motivation back |
| 02:57.42 | chouimat|music | kergoth: I want the indifference one :) |
| 02:57.47 | CosmicPenguin | IF I had a business with employees, I would encourage them to hang up some apathy posters |
| 02:58.31 | chouimat|music | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/5cd9/zoom/ |
| 02:58.49 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/58fc/zoom/ |
| 02:58.55 | CosmicPenguin | I would put that one behind my desk... :) |
| 02:59.01 | chouimat|music | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/32cc/zoom/ |
| 03:00.08 | chouimat|music | that one fit me ^-----------------------^ |
| 03:00.14 | prpplague | ya what other is an odd industry, if your incompatent and take 5 hours to fix something your get paid for 5 hours, if you are good and fix it in 15 minutes you get paid for 15 minutes |
| 03:01.04 | chouimat|music | kergoth: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/32d4/zoom/ :) |
| 03:01.52 | kergoth | chouimat|music: i have that one, the small desktop version |
| 03:01.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:01.58 | chouimat|music | prpplague: second of two |
| 03:02.05 | prpplague | ok |
| 03:02.51 | kergoth | chouimat|music: hahah i love that meeting one |
| 03:03.24 | chouimat|music | kergoth: I knew you would love it |
| 03:03.25 | prpplague | chouimat|music: we need to send that one to the MPAA/RIAA |
| 03:04.43 | CosmicPenguin | The meeting one is my whole philosophy toward that sort of thing |
| 03:05.15 | chouimat|music | prpplague: my brother just got a taster pack of rickard: 4 red, 4 honey, 4 pale |
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| 03:07.24 | chouimat|music | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/370b/zoom/ |
| 03:07.49 | kergoth | chouimat|music: that one is sitting on my desk at work :) |
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| 03:08.36 | TomW | My ISP found me out and pulled the plug in my cable modem this morning... :( I had to open a "proper" account, meaning I have to pay them $$$ each month. I had hoped their records were badly screwed up and I'd get away with not paying for it. :/ |
| 03:08.51 | chouimat|music | kergoth: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/posters/despair/32c9/zoom/ |
| 03:09.06 | file | TomW: that bites |
| 03:09.15 | TomW | yeah, well... |
| 03:09.16 | chouimat|music | TomW: ouch |
| 03:09.29 | TomW | only $36 per month for 800kb/s |
| 03:09.50 | chouimat|music | TomW: 800KB/s? |
| 03:09.51 | TomW | sux, but they are the only broadband connection in town... |
| 03:10.10 | TomW | not KB/s it is Kb/s |
| 03:10.27 | TomW | approx 100KB/s |
| 03:10.52 | TomW | +/- |
| 03:10.55 | chouimat|music | TomW: ok here 45CAD (includeing modem location) for 1.3Mb/s |
| 03:11.51 | chouimat|music | prpplague: btw enjoy :) |
| 03:12.15 | TomW | good price. These bastids want to keep the through put low enough so you'll pay much money for higher speed, yet keep it fast enough for the basic data rate to make it attractive. |
| 03:12.49 | prpplague | chouimat|music: thanks will have a listen later |
| 03:13.07 | TomW | money sucking, egg sucking, low life, greedy suckers! |
| 03:13.31 | TomW | wish I had DSL. |
| 03:13.57 | prpplague | TomW: not from SBC |
| 03:14.18 | prpplague | TomW: i went with a cable modem and been pretty happy |
| 03:14.23 | chouimat|music | TomW: sound like my ex-wife .... |
| 03:14.29 | file | $39.95/mth here CAD for 1.6Mbps down (2Mbps burstable) and 512Kbps up |
| 03:15.02 | prpplague | TomW: my house is wired with cat5, frellin SBC tried to techno-bable saying they couldn't give me dsl because i needed to re-wire me house |
| 03:15.11 | prpplague | chouimat|music: ex? |
| 03:15.15 | prpplague | chouimat|music: divorced? |
| 03:15.36 | chouimat|music | prpplague: yup officialy for 2 years now ... I ditched her 3 years ago |
| 03:16.03 | prpplague | chouimat|music: fun, i got servered on the 11th |
| 03:16.28 | chouimat|music | prpplague: huh? |
| 03:16.51 | prpplague | chouimat|music: my wife gave me divorce papers on the 11th |
| 03:17.15 | chouimat|music | TomW: sorry: download: 3.1 Mb/s upload: 180kb/s |
| 03:17.26 | chouimat|music | prpplague: married how many years? |
| 03:17.29 | prpplague | chouimat|music: 12 |
| 03:17.46 | prpplague | chouimat|music: and after takin care of her ass in the hospital for 2 months |
| 03:18.24 | chouimat|music | prpplague: was married officialy 6 years and I'm only 29 |
| 03:18.31 | TomW | prpplague: there is this site that documents about hacking the DOCSIS modems to uncap the speed of the cable modems.... |
| 03:18.52 | prpplague | TomW: ya, the modem i'm using is actually arm based |
| 03:19.03 | chouimat|music | prpplague: love that law: you get divorce after 12 months of seperations .... :) |
| 03:19.13 | TomW | prpplague: ouch, divorce, btdt, not a good time to have. |
| 03:19.18 | prpplague | chouimat|music: just 60 days here |
| 03:19.44 | chouimat|music | prpplague: now court only pay 300$ to the lawyer :) |
| 03:19.50 | chouimat|music | s/now/no |
| 03:19.51 | prpplague | TomW: yam she said "after my near death experience, i've realized i don;t want to be married anymore" |
| 03:20.05 | TomW | prpplague: I have to take my modem apart and see what makes it tick. I purchased it from them today rather than pay a monthly lease. |
| 03:20.06 | chouimat|music | prpplague: she's ok then? |
| 03:20.33 | prpplague | chouimat|music: in a re-hab home right now, probably be release in a few weeks |
| 03:20.47 | TomW | rehab, alcoholism? |
| 03:21.09 | file | TomW: do you have telnet or serial access to it? |
| 03:21.16 | TomW | file, no |
| 03:21.20 | prpplague | TomW: lol, i wish, rehab is for physical re-hab as well as drugs and such |
| 03:21.24 | chouimat|music | prpplague: I think that maybe she can have waited a little for that I mean this summer |
| 03:21.28 | file | TomW: that bites |
| 03:21.31 | prpplague | TomW: she;s be bed bound for 2 months |
| 03:21.38 | file | TomW: I've got telnet access to mine :) read-only though :( |
| 03:21.39 | prpplague | TomW: muscles tend to attrify |
| 03:22.05 | TomW | file: it is snmp based protocol. There is some dipswitches inside of it (four switches) and a 4 pin header. |
| 03:22.12 | chouimat|music | why I'm watching gilmore girls ... |
| 03:22.16 | file | TomW: ic |
| 03:22.27 | prpplague | chouimat|music: hmmm the gilmore girls........ |
| 03:22.30 | chouimat|music | TomW: model? |
| 03:22.33 | prpplague | chouimat|music: love that mom |
| 03:22.45 | TomW | DOXport 1010 (3Com Com21) |
| 03:22.48 | chouimat|music | prpplague: me too ... a lot nicier than a girl |
| 03:23.16 | TomW | prpplague: heh, I've been meeting some nice women lately... |
| 03:23.27 | TomW | prpplague: been thinking it might be nice to ... |
| 03:23.36 | prpplague | TomW: ohh, tech groupies? |
| 03:23.43 | chouimat|music | TomW: I have a samsung SCM-110R4 |
| 03:24.41 | TomW | prpplague: no, but most are profesional women. e.g. earn a regular paycheck. :D |
| 03:24.56 | prpplague | TomW: lol thats the best kind |
| 03:25.08 | TomW | yeah, self-supporting. |
| 03:25.26 | prpplague | TomW: my soon to ex hasn't worked a day in 15 yeara |
| 03:25.26 | TomW | leaves me feeling like a sex toy. |
| 03:25.30 | prpplague | years |
| 03:26.10 | TomW | yeah, my first wife was that way, she didn't work, but wanted me to entertain her when I got home from work. |
| 03:26.26 | prpplague | TomW: "ohhh baby, plug that big idc header into me baby!!!" |
| 03:26.31 | chouimat|music | me is open to that idea ... her working and me staying home with the kids ... |
| 03:26.33 | TomW | lasted a little over 6 years, then fell apart in a big way. |
| 03:26.49 | TomW | prpplague: LOL |
| 03:26.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hope your listening!!!!!! |
| 03:26.59 | chouimat|music | LOL |
| 03:27.05 | TomW | prpplague: "stroke my keys!" |
| 03:27.25 | TomW | bad, baaaad. |
| 03:27.32 | prpplague | TomW: "thats it play with my via's!!" |
| 03:27.57 | chouimat|music | mathieu can you leave that FUCKING computer and come to bed ..... for SLEEPING |
| 03:28.11 | chouimat|music | I miss that :) |
| 03:28.18 | TomW | not by much |
| 03:28.39 | prpplague | lol |
| 03:29.08 | prpplague | ahh, i bought my son a gamecube, man i have peace and quite now that he's zoned to the tv |
| 03:29.20 | TomW | I was talking tonite with a really nice woman who does some kind of work with the state university, she was hot. |
| 03:29.21 | chouimat|music | the last one that came here more than one night, we have some very good conversation about Moorcock boks after sex ... too bad she's back in europe :( |
| 03:29.41 | chouimat|music | s/boks/books |
| 03:29.53 | prpplague | chouimat|music: moorcock after sex, you have got to be kidding!!! |
| 03:30.06 | TomW | Yeah, I am looking for a friend first, lover later. |
| 03:30.09 | prpplague | chouimat|music: thats got to have been one cool chick |
| 03:30.36 | kergoth | sex and discussion about Moorcock? |
| 03:30.36 | chouimat|music | prpplague: nope she's doing a phd in literature on the following subject: the place of the woman in scifi/fantasy books |
| 03:30.37 | kergoth | hm |
| 03:30.38 | TomW | maybe I am too greedy? I want it all. |
| 03:30.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: my fiance is the only one with the marketable skills. We gotta get that girl in the workspace stat! |
| 03:30.40 | kergoth | good combo |
| 03:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | That way I can sit around and play geek |
| 03:30.59 | CosmicPenguin | Otherwise I have to be all respectable and stuff - not my style |
| 03:31.04 | prpplague | kergoth: ya ya |
| 03:31.07 | prpplague | kergoth: good pun |
| 03:31.25 | prpplague | chouimat|music: wow, not too many women like that in east texas |
| 03:31.44 | TomW | prpplague: what? that make their own money? |
| 03:32.09 | prpplague | TomW: no, educated or have read any books by moorcock |
| 03:32.10 | TomW | prpplague: or respectable? |
| 03:32.38 | chouimat|music | TomW: after being with a 5'10"( or is it 5'11") 125lbs chicks for 7 years I'm searching for one like this but without the "metaly screwed" |
| 03:32.45 | prpplague | TomW: i've _never_ met a woman thats read LotR much less something like moorcock books |
| 03:32.54 | TomW | My brother recently married a gal from East Texas, the FW area. |
| 03:33.10 | prpplague | TomW: thats north texas |
| 03:33.10 | chouimat|music | prpplague: my ex-wife read all my books welll atleast Elric :) |
| 03:33.25 | TomW | prpplague: k |
| 03:33.44 | prpplague | TomW: when they say "texas: its like a whole other country!!" they mean it |
| 03:33.49 | TomW | prpplague: I only know where Brownsville is... |
| 03:33.51 | chouimat|music | prpplague: currently reading Dune: The Butlerian Jihad and after that Moorcock's The Skrayling Tree |
| 03:34.55 | kergoth | chouimat|music: 5'10", 125lbs, NOT mentally screwed? aha good luck man |
| 03:34.57 | kergoth | chouimat|music: :) |
| 03:35.36 | chouimat|music | kergoth: hehe ... come one after being married to a model I can get lower than that ;) |
| 03:35.39 | TomW | chouimat|music: I'm more Asimov, Hienlien, Ann MacCaffery, MZ Bradley, Tom Clancy type of reader. Don't recall seeing Moorcock stuff. |
| 03:35.56 | prpplague | ya i'm asimov fan |
| 03:36.02 | kergoth | asimov.. I havent read anything of his in ages |
| 03:36.04 | kergoth | I should read some |
| 03:36.05 | prpplague | TomW: very dark |
| 03:36.20 | chouimat|music | TomW: any K. Dick? |
| 03:36.42 | prpplague | TomW: if your not into havin d&d characters that are evil, you probably not like moorcock |
| 03:37.00 | chouimat|music | Heinlein ... I have 61 novels in pdb format ... my favorit one : Friday :) |
| 03:37.06 | TomW | prpplague: just reread the Foundation series again. I would like to find "Foundation & Earth", read it maybe 15 years ago but don't have a copy of my own. |
| 03:37.27 | prpplague | TomW: nice, i'm a harry seldon fan |
| 03:37.39 | TomW | chouimat: "cat who walked through walls" convinced me that Heinlien was insane. |
| 03:38.03 | chouimat | TomW: I have Foundation & Earth but in French :) |
| 03:38.16 | prpplague | TomW: did you know asimov is the _only_ author in history to write a book in every section of the dewey decimal system |
| 03:38.41 | TomW | prpplague: then when Issiac wrote "Foundation & Earth" and tied the Robot series and Foundation together, I had thought the he went the way of heinlien, but Issac pulled it off very well! |
| 03:38.44 | prpplague | TomW: frank herbet is the one i'd vote for insane |
| 03:38.45 | chouimat | TomW: hehe didn't read that one. Just finished reread Lovecraft complete writing |
| 03:39.03 | prpplague | TomW: i was amazed as well with that |
| 03:39.30 | chouimat | I really to finish the newest Dune ... |
| 03:39.32 | TomW | chouimat: try it, it is sooooo confusing. He warps time into time warps and you get lost in try to follow what is going on. |
| 03:39.35 | prpplague | anyone read the the gap saga from stephen r. donaldson? |
| 03:39.59 | prpplague | chouimat: i complete the entire dune saga when i was 13 |
| 03:40.16 | prpplague | chouimat: my parents had no idea what i was reading :) |
| 03:40.32 | TomW | donaldson sounds familiar.... But I just got back into reading again this past year. Nothing on TV so I re-discovered novels. |
| 03:40.32 | chouimat | prpplague: read the Dune House serie and the latest Butlerian Jihad ? |
| 03:41.04 | prpplague | chouimat: no, i;ve been out of the dune stuff for awhile |
| 03:41.30 | TomW | sorphin: :D They are trying to suck every bit of Dune fanaticism out to their advantage, aren't they? |
| 03:41.41 | prpplague | chouimat: like i said i read it when i was 13, it kinda had a lasting effect on my pschy |
| 03:41.53 | prpplague | chouimat: that and enders series |
| 03:41.58 | chouimat | prpplague: Dune House serie: Dune: House Atreides, Dune: House Harkonnen, Dune: House Corrino about youg Leto, Shaddam and Vladimir |
| 03:42.18 | sorphin | TomW: i guess.. too bad i couldn't care less about the frank herbert dune crap |
| 03:42.24 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm a tolkien fan, i have alot of unpublished material |
| 03:42.24 | TomW | prpplague: putting a date on my age: the Tolkien trilogy was my impressionable read when I was 13. |
| 03:42.53 | chouimat | prpplague: and Butlerian Jihad is about the war against thinking machine 10 000 ago (in dune) |
| 03:42.53 | prpplague | TomW: i remember a particular incident with my parents |
| 03:43.15 | TomW | prpplague: they thought you were reading crap, right? |
| 03:43.21 | chouimat | TomW: any Heechees books? |
| 03:43.26 | sorphin | prpplague: they caught you looking at a catalog w/ models in lingere showing off POS equipment? :P |
| 03:43.27 | prpplague | TomW: i was about 12 and going through all of the usually places looking for change to go to the bookstore |
| 03:43.49 | prpplague | TomW: my parents asked me what i was doing, so i told them |
| 03:43.53 | TomW | TomW: Oh yeah! Who wrote that HeeChee stuff? I don't recall but it was good! |
| 03:44.23 | chouimat | TomW: Federick Pohl |
| 03:44.28 | TomW | ahhh! |
| 03:44.51 | chouimat | prpplague: I have all the John Norman Counter-Earth :) |
| 03:44.52 | TomW | I'll have to revisit Pohl to see what is on the racks from him again. |
| 03:45.00 | prpplague | TomW: this strange look came over their faces, and my father said, "as long as i can get out of bed, you will never have to worry about buying a book, you tell us what you need and we will take you to the bookstore" |
| 03:45.30 | TomW | prpplague: good thing, or bad thing? |
| 03:45.37 | prpplague | TomW: good things |
| 03:45.39 | prpplague | TomW: good thing |
| 03:46.10 | prpplague | TomW: all i had to do is ask, and they'd buy it |
| 03:46.12 | TomW | prpplague: cool, I lived quite a ways from town so I didn't have access to a "real" bookstore when I was growing up. |
| 03:46.34 | prpplague | TomW: still brings tears to my eyes, i tell my son the same thing |
| 03:46.57 | chouimat | prpplague: my father is becoming a lot like my grand-fater was this day ... I recall that my grand father had 1000 of books about the WWII and my father begin to read about Churchil, Hitler and so one 3 years ago ... |
| 03:47.01 | TomW | prpplague: actually, the only thing I really had was the local school library and the books that it contained were carefully considered by the school staff. |
| 03:47.54 | TomW | heechees... |
| 03:48.05 | TomW | with their "fans" |
| 03:48.09 | prpplague | TomW: its funny, my father grew up dirt poor, went to school got a degree and developed a bunch of oil field equipment |
| 03:48.31 | prpplague | TomW: man, the library sure brings memories back to me |
| 03:48.43 | chouimat | TomW: I have all the books in the heechees serie |
| 03:49.50 | TomW | chouimat: I have been starting to collect books again. I have all of Ann MacCaffery's Dragonriders of Pern series. Plus a whole lot of Tom Clancy. |
| 03:50.27 | prpplague | TomW: i have them on audio tape |
| 03:50.41 | prpplague | TomW: i;ve been planning on rippin them to mp3 for the car |
| 03:50.42 | chouimat | TomW: I have all the moorcock elric, hawkmoon, von beck, quorum and all Shatner Startrek books and tekwar |
| 03:50.55 | prpplague | chouimat: tekwar is good |
| 03:51.09 | chouimat | wait I'm missing one ... |
| 03:51.10 | prpplague | chouimat: i was really surprise at shatners work on that |
| 03:51.20 | chouimat | prpplague: yup I improved my english alot with that :) |
| 03:51.28 | TomW | chouimat: :) |
| 03:52.00 | chouimat | i'm currently missing tekkill |
| 03:52.33 | prpplague | chouimat: lol, i could use a little tek about now.... |
| 03:53.34 | TomW | I'll make some woman a good wife... |
| 03:53.47 | chouimat | prpplague: that remembered me of the last english class I got : advandced english (the teacher decided that we were studying slang that year) |
| 03:53.54 | sorphin | TomW: or bitch |
| 03:54.10 | TomW | heh |
| 03:56.03 | TomW | You know, I know that they (adobe, etc) would like us to accept digital books (tablets), but there is nothing like huddling down an turning pages. |
| 03:56.53 | chouimat | TomW: yup I got about 1500 ebooks from kazaa and once in awhile I'm printing one |
| 03:57.29 | TomW | chouimat: I didn't know that you could get books via p2p |
| 03:58.15 | chouimat | TomW: yup you can just type ebook or the name of the author ... got jordan wheels of time compendium in pdf format |
| 03:59.13 | TomW | I've got to peel potatoes, bbl |
| 03:59.22 | chouimat | ok it's time for me to watch Lexx on tv |
| 04:00.33 | chouimat | and I also like Xinerama |
| 04:03.17 | prpplague | ok, is does anyone else find major carter on sg-1 attrative? |
| 04:04.04 | chouimat | prpplague: yup but I don't have access to the 6th and 7th seasons here anymore |
| 04:04.04 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah |
| 04:04.24 | chouimat | mmmmm Zev |
| 04:05.07 | prpplague | http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/ |
| 04:06.07 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm currently watching her: http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/xev.html |
| 04:06.44 | prpplague | chouimat: ya, i figured |
| 04:07.23 | chouimat | prpplague: that was a stupid show but I quite liked that: http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/sky/sky8.jpg |
| 04:07.26 | prpplague | you can;t help but wonder....do all vulcan woman look like this - http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/watchmen/449/blalock/blalock1.jpg |
| 04:08.29 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm still partial to 7 of 9 ;) |
| 04:08.31 | chouimat | prpplague: anytime she wants :) |
| 04:09.19 | prpplague | sorphin: ya there is a great epi where she wears this red dress with her hair down |
| 04:09.32 | prpplague | sorphin: she look absolutely increadible |
| 04:09.40 | chouimat | sorphin: just watch boston public so you will still be able to see her :) |
| 04:10.03 | prpplague | sorphin: the one where she creates a holodeck ch'cote |
| 04:10.16 | prpplague | chouimat: ya but its not the same |
| 04:10.26 | chouimat | prpplague: yup I have all the voyager episodes with her ... |
| 04:10.51 | prpplague | chouimat: for us geeks she's as unreachable on BP as everyday life |
| 04:11.04 | prpplague | chouimat: on voyager she appreciates a geek, lol |
| 04:11.25 | chouimat | prpplague: nothing like catherine Bell of jag this days ... |
| 04:11.49 | prpplague | chouimat: ya i watched a JAG the other night where she wore a really nice evening dress |
| 04:12.04 | prpplague | chouimat: (while is was working out at the gym) |
| 04:12.33 | chouimat | prpplague: the young petty officier the one with black hair, she's hot too |
| 04:13.16 | prpplague | chouimat: yep, trust me, only in the navy or airforce, they aint that pretty in the army |
| 04:13.51 | sorphin | prpplague: cuz they'll let anyone in the army ;p |
| 04:14.01 | prpplague | sorphin: any woman :) |
| 04:14.07 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 04:14.13 | sorphin | prpplague: that too |
| 04:14.33 | prpplague | sorphin: naw, the women i met in the army were pretty awesome, albeit not that good looking |
| 04:14.41 | chouimat | prpplague: too much muscles on a chick turn me down |
| 04:15.17 | prpplague | 1k calories and drinking beer sure makes a six pack go a looooong way |
| 04:15.26 | kergoth | prpplague: lol |
| 04:15.29 | prpplague | i've had 3 beers and i'm about to pass out |
| 04:15.42 | kergoth | I've been drinking a LOT of alcohol, AND a lot of soda lately |
| 04:15.44 | prpplague | of course it belgian so thats a + |
| 04:15.53 | kergoth | thats like an assload of useless calories |
| 04:16.05 | prpplague | kergoth: slimfast |
| 04:16.44 | kergoth | is that stuff any good? |
| 04:16.45 | chouimat | prpplague: nah that taste like shit |
| 04:16.52 | kergoth | I need a drink with low calories, but tastes alright |
| 04:16.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:17.01 | chouimat | kergoth: WATER |
| 04:17.06 | kergoth | juice isnt much better than soda w/ regard to calories |
| 04:17.07 | sorphin | kergoth: wussy |
| 04:17.35 | chouimat | kergoth: if you take beers stop eating pasta and bread |
| 04:19.15 | kergoth | I've been eating a lot of chicken and soups lately |
| 04:20.50 | prpplague | ok guys, i'm off to watch "clash of the titans" with my son |
| 04:20.54 | prpplague | later guys |
| 04:21.10 | chouimat | prpplague: have fun |
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| 04:56.02 | Torkbur | TomW, you still eatin? |
| 04:57.23 | Torkbur | anyone know how to free up the memory taken my a cramfs after you do a pivot_root? |
| 04:57.44 | Torkbur | my=by |
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| 05:26.09 | TomW_food | Torkbur: ? hello |
| 05:27.34 | Torkbur | Hi TomW |
| 05:28.27 | Torkbur | been playing around with your webpal build-root |
| 05:28.32 | TomW | k |
| 05:28.54 | TomW | I hadn't given the cramfs storage problem any though. |
| 05:29.06 | Torkbur | got to the point in linuxrc where I pivot-root over to my NFS rootfs |
| 05:29.34 | TomW | what I'd been trying to deal with is installing debian packages and getting the darned thing to stop with the "dereference to zero" error. |
| 05:29.40 | Torkbur | OK, looks like even after I umount /mnt/initrc the kernel wants |
| 05:29.46 | Torkbur | to hang on to the memory |
| 05:29.55 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 05:30.01 | TomW | chouimat|Zzz: later |
| 05:30.49 | TomW | Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Like I said, I didn't consider it as an issue as the amount of memory is so small, comparitively. |
| 05:30.50 | Torkbur | I think I could use the util-linux "blockdev" but the arm potato dist doesn't have this |
| 05:31.37 | Torkbur | Tnx for providing the build-root though, this has opened up some new possiblities for me |
| 05:32.01 | chouimat|Zzz | TomW: bye |
| 05:32.11 | TomW | I have one of the CLPS-7500FE evb boards here. I left the webpal alone and am in the process of getting linux installed on the EVB. |
| 05:32.44 | TomW | I don't know if the problem is with debian or a design problem in the webpal... |
| 05:32.53 | Torkbur | Ya, I saw your comment on the linux-hacker site. It will be interesting to see if you get the same segfault problems |
| 05:33.26 | TomW | np, I just didn't like the state of affairs with people swapping patch files around and no coherent sources. It almost smacked of elitist behavior. |
| 05:34.05 | chouimat|Zzz | TomW: that the hacker way of thing ..... :) |
| 05:34.35 | TomW | chouimat|Zzz: stinks |
| 05:34.45 | Torkbur | TomW, where'd you get the CLPS-7500FE eval brd? |
| 05:34.54 | chouimat|Zzz | TomW: I know but ... |
| 05:34.56 | TomW | chouimat|Zzz: I like the "developer way" of doing things, you get more accomplished that way. |
| 05:35.13 | TomW | Torkbur: purchased it about 2 years ago. |
| 05:35.40 | Torkbur | I looked around for one myself but couldn't locate a source |
| 05:36.15 | TomW | Torkbur: didn't have time to really work with it so I put it aside. Lately I have been considering doing a new desing using the 7500FE chip and then saw the webpal being sold, so I grabbed three of them. |
| 05:36.57 | TomW | Torkbur: I sold "mytoys.com" for $50K in 2000, then spent some money on the EVB ($1K) |
| 05:37.58 | Torkbur | WOW, $1K!!! I paid $15 for my webpal |
| 05:38.04 | TomW | I guess that I was one of the few to profit from the dot.com boom. |
| 05:38.13 | TomW | ? |
| 05:38.57 | TomW | no, sorry, I paid $13 for my webpals, I was referring to how I came about to purchase the CLPS-7500FE EVB. |
| 05:39.08 | Torkbur | I lost $30K investing in the .com's |
| 05:39.38 | Torkbur | Actually I was suprised at the price of the eval board |
| 05:40.01 | TomW | I went looking for an EVB for the CL-7212 a year ago, they wanted $4K for the damned thing! |
| 05:40.46 | TomW | Actually, it was the CL-7312 that I wanted. I cried on the Tech Rep's shoulder about pricing the small developer out of the market. |
| 05:41.06 | TomW | he then "loaned" me a CL-7212 EVB, it is on "permanent loan". |
| 05:41.20 | Torkbur | You must of had a design in mind |
| 05:41.28 | TomW | only diff is that the 7312 is SDRAM & the 7212 is EDO. |
| 05:41.57 | TomW | still do, the 7312 looks really good, but it's lcd controller sux. |
| 05:42.19 | TomW | the 7500 has a great lcd controller, but the RAM & MIPS sux. |
| 05:42.29 | TomW | :( |
| 05:42.46 | Torkbur | does your 7500 eval use VRAM or DRAM for video? |
| 05:43.49 | TomW | StrongARM is the best: MIPS + SDRAM + LCD controller, but it is uBGA. My intended customer for the design is low volume (< 200 units per year) and they'll never go for the BGA stuff ($$$). |
| 05:44.10 | TomW | DRAM, I think. Let me check... |
| 05:45.21 | Torkbur | The DRAM definately slows the 7500 down, sharing bus cycles |
| 05:45.44 | Torkbur | or I shoudl say stealing bus cycles |
| 05:46.19 | TomW | looks like it is in the DRAM. |
| 05:46.43 | Torkbur | NE way, gotta run off to Zzz land, good to touch base with you TomW, will be sticking around this channel |
| 05:47.19 | TomW | I'm usually here, most times.. Good ARM embedded people here |
| 05:47.22 | TomW | later |
| 05:47.30 | Torkbur | night folks... |
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| 06:14.31 | sorphin | fontenot: evening jacques |
| 06:17.10 | TomW | clear |
| 06:20.46 | fontenot | hi sorphin |
| 06:22.25 | kergoth | ahhhh |
| 06:23.04 | sorphin | he's 90 years old |
| 06:23.08 | sorphin | and still slaving for digi |
| 06:27.43 | kergoth | sorphin: i'd die first :) |
| 06:27.57 | sorphin | kergoth: no, that's the curse |
| 06:27.58 | sorphin | you can't die |
| 06:28.03 | kergoth | well fuck |
| 06:28.13 | sorphin | hell = digi, remember? |
| 06:28.18 | sorphin | you're already there ;) |
| 06:34.01 | kergoth | -rw-r--r-- 1 kergoth kergoth 19749396 Mar 14 22:13 cross-3.2-oz-2.tar.bz2 |
| 06:34.13 | kergoth | 19749396, nice :) |
| 06:34.35 | kergoth | better make sure i didnt leave anything out |
| 06:35.17 | fontenot | kergoth: I think I found out why glibc 2.3.2 would not build for me |
| 06:35.23 | kergoth | fontenot: whys that? |
| 06:35.35 | fontenot | kergoth: when you build gcc, do you use --disable-shared ? |
| 06:36.07 | kergoth | fontenot: in the gcc first pass yes, in the gcc second pass, no. |
| 06:36.23 | fontenot | damn then that's not it |
| 06:37.04 | fontenot | note on one forum said glibc2.3.2 would not build with a gcc made with --disable-shared |
| 06:37.12 | fontenot | at least gcc 3.2.3 |
| 06:37.16 | fontenot | i mean 3.2.2 |
| 06:37.24 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/src/ |
| 06:37.28 | kergoth | browse into packages |
| 06:37.39 | kergoth | gcc-3.2-initial, gcc-3.2, and glibc-2.3 are what you should look at |
| 06:37.43 | kergoth | just as a sanity check |
| 06:37.46 | fontenot | ok thanks |
| 06:37.49 | kergoth | np |
| 06:39.18 | fontenot | hmm I dont use --with-gnu-ld |
| 06:39.50 | fontenot | I'll try a few permutations of things |
| 06:42.03 | kergoth | k |
| 06:43.31 | fontenot | kergoth: how do I actually download something from that site? like if I want one of the Makefiles? |
| 06:43.42 | kergoth | hm, not sure |
| 06:43.43 | fontenot | I can only seem to get diffs and annotated versions |
| 06:44.10 | kergoth | if you have bk, you can grab the tree itself, but i dont know how via the web interface |
| 06:44.34 | fontenot | so there is not a cvs interface ? |
| 06:45.18 | fontenot | kergoth: is everything in the packages dir cross-compiled? |
| 06:45.36 | kergoth | yup |
| 06:45.52 | fontenot | cool there is a lot of useful knowledge there then |
| 06:45.54 | kergoth | no cvs interface, just bk. there are periodically built snapshots |
| 06:46.10 | kergoth | but I've made changes very recently,it'll be a bit before the snapshot is updated |
| 06:46.17 | fontenot | so if I dl bk and install it I can then grab all those files? |
| 06:46.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:47.07 | kergoth | ibot: bitkeeper |
| 06:47.08 | | extra, extra, read all about it, bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 06:47.09 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 06:47.10 | | it has been said that oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 06:48.05 | fontenot | thanks! |
| 06:48.21 | kergoth | np |
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| 07:53.25 | fontenot | kergoth: this is the error I get when trying to xcompile glibc 2.3.2: |
| 07:53.28 | fontenot | <stdin>: Assembler messages: |
| 07:53.28 | fontenot | <stdin>:2: Error: garbage following instruction -- `ldr lr,[sp],#4 ldr ip,=__libc_multiple_threads' |
| 07:53.28 | fontenot | make[2]: *** [/home/packages/lfs/toolchain1/glibc-2.3.2-build/posix/pause.op] Error 1 |
| 07:56.45 | fontenot | i get that with binutils 2.13.2 and 2.13.90.0.18 |
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| 16:55.09 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:55.47 | TomW | morning, would you like a cup of tea? |
| 16:56.06 | chouimat | I will go make some strong coffee :) |
| 17:00.16 | TomW | I gave up my morning coffee years ago, 8? 10? I found that tea wakes me up just as well and I don't get a sour stomach if I drink too much of it. |
| 17:01.13 | chouimat | TomW: I have about 15 different tea here so coffee is easier in the morning ... |
| 17:01.54 | TomW | heh, yeah, there is no "Mr Tea" tea-maker is there? |
| 17:08.33 | chouimat | ok my 8 cup of cofffee are on the way |
| 17:09.18 | TomW | :/ yuk |
| 17:10.28 | TomW | I almost bought a 4 cup coffee maker the other day, at least was toying with the idea. I thought that I should sleep on it and see if I felt that I still needed one the next day... |
| 17:10.33 | TomW | Nope, don't need one. |
| 17:11.30 | chouimat | TomW: I have a 12 cup one ... and two 10-12 cup somewherein a box |
| 17:14.24 | TomW | 0k, and a portable AC generator in case the local power grid goes down? That way you can be sure to "have a cup"? :) |
| 17:15.08 | chouimat | TomW: nah! ... I have a restaurant very near so ... |
| 17:15.16 | TomW | I like solution better: tea bag, tin can & a candle to heat the water. :D |
| 17:15.33 | TomW | ... basic survival supplies. |
| 17:16.24 | chouimat | ok time to start a kde compile here |
| 17:16.38 | TomW | no, really. I was looking at a 4 cup maker and getting a bean grinder. But, then, those are luxury items that I would seldom use and have to find space to store them. |
| 17:17.23 | file | gah dang it... I hate it when SDRAM doesn't show up as the full size in a system... |
| 17:18.14 | chouimat | TomW: I have a food processor that include a bean grinder so I' m ok |
| 17:19.03 | TomW | chocolate covered coffee beans? |
| 17:19.18 | chouimat | TomW: I'm out of those |
| 17:19.24 | TomW | heh |
| 17:20.51 | TomW | I used to work that way, super strong coffee, long hours, ..., then I burned out for the first (and last) time. That was not a thing that I wanted to do again: burn out. It took me almost 10 months to get my mental faculties back again. |
| 17:21.36 | TomW | I was working 70 .. 80 hours a week when that happened. |
| 17:21.46 | chouimat | TomW: ok |
| 17:22.48 | TomW | I was even stupid enough to suggest that they purchase a couch for the reception area so I wouldn't have to drive home to sleep. whew, what *was* I thinking!? |
| 17:23.00 | chouimat | TomW: was working 50+ hours/week + full time student + wife to entertaint and help with her homeworks .... the only time I had for myself was when I was on the toilet |
| 17:23.30 | TomW | heh, yeah, "entertain the wife", I know what that means. |
| 17:24.06 | file | well that's odd... this is apparently 32MB, but it's 128MB... |
| 17:24.27 | chouimat | TomW: we wre paying 750/month for an appartment and we where never there so getting out doesn't appeal to me much :) |
| 17:24.29 | TomW | file, what system is that? |
| 17:25.24 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, almost makes you wish that you could get together with some other people and "time share" an apartment. |
| 17:25.29 | file | TomW: what do you mean? |
| 17:25.55 | file | TomW: mobo? |
| 17:26.03 | TomW | file: you said something about a system that was misreporting the ram total? |
| 17:26.17 | TomW | yeah, mobo / embedded. |
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| 17:26.29 | file | TomW: yes... but apparently this stick is... only 32MB to begin with (even though my friend said 128MB) |
| 17:26.32 | ade|indy | morning all |
| 17:26.35 | sorphin | lo |
| 17:26.44 | TomW | ade|indy, sorphin hello |
| 17:26.50 | file | what's 4MB x 64 SDRAM work out to? |
| 17:27.04 | file | er |
| 17:27.10 | file | 4M x 64 |
| 17:27.21 | TomW | 32MBytes |
| 17:27.32 | file | dammit |
| 17:27.40 | file | so my system IS reporting it correctly! |
| 17:27.41 | TomW | 4 meg deep, 64 bits wide. |
| 17:27.52 | TomW | AFAIK |
| 17:27.56 | file | well it's official, I need to buy RAM |
| 17:30.45 | file | let's see how Windows likes this bad memory... muahahahahaha |
| 17:34.45 | ade|indy | is there a way to tag the bad addresses and stop the kernel from using them ? |
| 17:35.36 | file | ade|indy: on Linux yes |
| 17:35.44 | file | ade|indy: it's called badram |
| 17:35.46 | TomW | ade|indy: in what way? You mean "holes" in the ram memory field? |
| 17:36.01 | file | ade|indy: it allocates the bad memory areas so that programs/kernel can't use them |
| 17:36.21 | ade|indy | file: sounds quite useful then |
| 17:36.29 | file | ade|indy: really neat idea |
| 17:36.47 | ade|indy | how does it work ? |
| 17:36.59 | file | ade|indy: let me get you the URL |
| 17:37.21 | file | http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
| 17:37.37 | ade|indy | i thought all userland memory was assigned by the kernel is virtual addresses, how do you get 'real' |
| 17:38.09 | file | ade|indy: go.. and see |
| 17:39.12 | TomW | I did that on the Tux IDE driver, let me check the function name... |
| 17:40.14 | ade|indy | ah its not userland entirely, but kernel land |
| 17:41.15 | TomW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.16 | TomW | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.57 | TomW | yeah, you have to do it in the kernel. The kernel is "God" and can do anything you tell it to do. |
| 17:43.17 | TomW | The caveat is that the smallest amount of RAM that you can allocate is based upon the smallest unit that the MMU can map. Usually 4K |
| 17:44.16 | TomW | ade|indy: do you have a copy of Allesandro Rubini's "Linux device drivers" book? |
| 17:44.20 | ade|indy | brb: food shop |
| 17:44.42 | TomW | chouimat: time for another cup of tea. |
| 17:45.06 | chouimat | TomW: I have the first edition in my bookshelf and the second edition somewhere on an Hdd |
| 17:46.18 | file[bed] | I wish it was possible to tell Windows that it has only so much RAM... cause my bad memory is only after 150MB |
| 17:46.22 | file[bed] | everything before that is fine |
| 17:46.28 | TomW | good book to have if you intend on writing any code for the kernel. |
| 17:46.53 | file[bed] | chouimat: hehe |
| 17:47.12 | TomW | chouimat: good luck, a cat cannot be anything else other than a cat.. |
| 17:47.16 | chouimat | TomW: one of the numerous book I have on Operating Systems ... |
| 17:48.20 | TomW | unix / linux is all I have really spent a lot of money on... lately. I did have a shitload of windoze / dos books at one time, but they hit the trash pile a while back. |
| 17:48.43 | TomW | I gave them to a friend of mine as he "cannot understand linux' |
| 17:49.15 | chouimat | TomW: I have some design book here I even found the design of 4.4Bsd on kazaa :) |
| 17:49.16 | file[bed] | nifty - there's an option in the system.ini file to specify how much RAM to use |
| 17:49.47 | TomW | everyone needs an "intellectually challanged" friend. :/ |
| 17:49.50 | file[bed] | only in 95 though... |
| 17:50.04 | file[bed] | and in 98... |
| 17:50.12 | chouimat | TomW: nah! I just need to see my sister boyfriend for that :) |
| 17:50.22 | TomW | hehheh |
| 17:50.57 | TomW | That's my niece, she is 20 years old and rapidly attaining the status of "street trash". |
| 17:51.17 | chouimat | TomW: how to do call a member of the Parti Quebecois who is doing a PhD in international relations on the bad effect of the global economy ... |
| 17:51.54 | chouimat | and who still belive that Communism is the only way to same mankind ... |
| 17:52.38 | TomW | yeah, but, the problem with communism, or any other form of governmental ideal is that it involves people. People are greedy. |
| 17:52.44 | TomW | by nature |
| 17:53.16 | chouimat | TomW: yup ... and as we said Capitalism is the exploitation of men by men and communism is the exact opposite |
| 17:53.27 | TomW | heh |
| 17:53.28 | TomW | yeah |
| 17:54.39 | file[bed] | has anybody ever desoldered a bad chip on an SDRAM stick before ;) |
| 17:56.04 | chouimat | TomW: and my favorite answer to his speach is: that won't work because men is still an animal and the only way that your idea work is that we became being of pure energy ... |
| 17:57.54 | file[bed] | curses I say... curses |
| 17:58.26 | TomW | file[bed]: ram is cheap, surrender |
| 17:58.45 | file[bed] | TomW: :) |
| 17:58.58 | file[bed] | I'll trade all the SIMMs I have for a good DIMM |
| 17:59.02 | TomW | $68 - PC150 512MB |
| 17:59.03 | TomW | $37 - PC150 256MB |
| 17:59.03 | TomW | $20 - PC150 128MB |
| 17:59.03 | TomW | $ |
| 17:59.26 | chouimat | file[bed]: any futurshop in moncton? |
| 17:59.34 | file[bed] | chouimat: affirmative |
| 17:59.42 | sorphin | TomW: that from pricewatch? |
| 17:59.43 | chouimat | file[bed]: got there |
| 17:59.47 | TomW | sorphin: yeah |
| 17:59.47 | file[bed] | chouimat: why? |
| 18:00.01 | TomW | sorphin: pc133 is even cheaper. |
| 18:00.08 | file[bed] | if I really do decide to buy then I'll just talk to my friend and he'll get it for manufacturer's price |
| 18:00.09 | chouimat | file[bed]: I saw some sell on DIMM on their website this week |
| 18:00.13 | sorphin | TomW: you gotta remember something, file has no "real" job, so.. even that may be outta his price range :P |
| 18:00.19 | TomW | heh |
| 18:00.30 | chouimat | sorphin: that mean |
| 18:00.37 | TomW | sorphin: he'll have to save his allowance up |
| 18:00.45 | chouimat | lol |
| 18:00.50 | file[bed] | $39.99 CAD for 128MB |
| 18:02.13 | chouimat | hmmm GBA SP for 149.99 CAD |
| 18:02.44 | sorphin | chouimat: i don't care if it's mean, it's true :P now stay out of it, you don't even know what i'm talking about :P |
| 18:03.26 | chouimat | sorphin: calm down |
| 18:03.54 | file[bed] | chouimat: be careful - he might put you on ignore |
| 18:04.22 | TomW | my ex-wife used to do that, put me on IGNORE |
| 18:04.30 | chouimat | TomW: heheh |
| 18:04.57 | sorphin | TomW: i only /ignore people when i can't stand their idiocy |
| 18:05.04 | chouimat | file[bed]: ok ... we nead to have a bofh in every channel |
| 18:05.50 | file[bed] | chouimat: hehe |
| 18:22.55 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: my DCT5000 just arrived. |
| 18:23.34 | file[bed] | saweet I might be able to afford 256MB |
| 18:24.48 | TomW | GPSFan_: uhoh, someone is not going to visit the parents / friends this weekend, eh? |
| 18:25.15 | TomW | Did Tim find that lineo port of linux to the thing? |
| 18:25.59 | GPSFan_ | TomW: he found some stuff, before he went off th texas. I think he has to review it before releasing it to th masses. |
| 18:26.48 | TomW | yeah, clean it up of proprietary sources is what I think he said. |
| 18:28.42 | TomW | wow! It is 50 degrees out there today! What the heck am I doing talking with you guys? Time to escape my "cabin" and go exploring (trolling for women :). |
| 18:29.39 | file[bed] | well I've got 8 hours to wait before I see if I can get these two 128MB SDRAM sticks... |
| 18:29.54 | chouimat | bye TomW_gone |
| 18:30.01 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 18:30.03 | file[bed] | chouimat: have you ever tried email money transfers? |
| 18:30.05 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -3 C (26 F), windspeed is 25.75 km/h, and visibility is 48.28 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.15 1800 UTC). |
| 18:30.16 | chouimat | file[bed]: nope |
| 18:30.19 | file[bed] | chouimat: k |
| 18:30.39 | TomW_gone | weatherbot: weather kabe |
| 18:30.41 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Allentown, Lehigh Valley International Airport, PA, United States: It is 10 C (50 F), windspeed is 19.31 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.15 1751 UTC). |
| 18:30.46 | file[bed] | weatherbot: weather cyqm |
| 18:30.48 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Moncton, N. B., Canada: It is -7 C (19 F), windspeed is 25.75 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.15 1800 UTC). |
| 18:30.50 | TomW_gone | heehee! |
| 18:31.03 | file[bed] | ooh it's not too bad out |
| 18:57.11 | file[bed] | 10 SIMMs for 1 DIMM, isn't that tempeting??? |
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| 19:43.07 | CosmicPenguin | morning folks! |
| 19:43.13 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you present and not too sick? |
| 19:43.47 | andersee | morning cosmic |
| 19:45.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: present and still sick, but better than i was |
| 19:45.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats good |
| 19:45.28 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm prolly gonna start working on burning our wedding video to a DVD later |
| 19:45.31 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: any advice? |
| 19:45.36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: whats going on? |
| 19:46.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you gave in to having to use some windows tools along the way? |
| 19:47.00 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nope - lin-yucks all the way |
| 19:47.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:47.24 | sorphin | just gonna be straight vid then i take it? |
| 19:47.52 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - I don't need menus or anything |
| 19:48.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: though, I would love to help get a menuing program up and running |
| 19:48.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah |
| 19:49.50 | sorphin | well, as long as you get the encoding and muxing to cooperate right |
| 19:49.55 | sorphin | you should be ok |
| 19:50.02 | sorphin | you already got ifogen, etc |
| 19:50.03 | sorphin | ? |
| 19:51.06 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 19:51.21 | CosmicPenguin | the DVD-RW that we got with the drive should work in the mean time right |
| 19:51.32 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:51.37 | CosmicPenguin | So I don't have to spend any money on a DVD-R until its absolutely nessesary |
| 19:51.42 | sorphin | and it'll allow you to avoid wasting blanks ;) |
| 19:51.49 | CosmicPenguin | my main DVD player is extreamly fault tolerant - so I can at least test it |
| 19:51.54 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:52.57 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nada |
| 19:54.00 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: thats good - taking some time off from hacking? |
| 19:57.12 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I should be |
| 19:57.23 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Trying to debug some code |
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| 20:31.32 | file[bed] | CosmicPenguin: :) |
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| 20:37.38 | legodude | is there a way to track network activity of a specific program? |
| 20:37.49 | legodude | like track what connections the program makes |
| 20:40.36 | CosmicPenguin | netstat -p |
| 20:41.06 | CosmicPenguin | That at least will give you a snapshot |
| 20:41.15 | legodude | ja |
| 20:41.18 | legodude | I've been using that |
| 20:41.31 | legodude | but the program I'm looking at connects to a different port each time |
| 20:41.50 | legodude | so it seems to make and initial control connection to setup the port? |
| 20:42.21 | legodude | ah nice |
| 20:42.25 | legodude | hpux doesn't have that option |
| 20:43.22 | sorphin | legodude: well, you're the one using hp(s)ux ;) |
| 20:43.29 | legodude | ja |
| 20:43.33 | legodude | but this program only runs on hpux |
| 20:43.34 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 20:43.45 | CosmicPenguin | legodude: its propriatary? |
| 20:43.46 | legodude | so it's kinda hard to not use hpux |
| 20:43.47 | legodude | ja |
| 20:44.01 | legodude | it's an audio program for HP X-Terms |
| 20:44.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:44.28 | legodude | it would be fairly simple, I think, just dump audio at port of X-Term |
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| 20:44.38 | legodude | but quick tests with nc show that is not the case |
| 20:44.48 | legodude | and it keeps changing port numbers on me |
| 20:44.53 | chouimat|bored | http://www.s.netic.de/tmohr/pppcb-0.7.0.tar.bz2 |
| 20:45.26 | legodude | chouimat|bored: does that work? |
| 20:45.48 | chouimat|bored | legodude: don't know yet |
| 20:45.52 | legodude | that's the parallel program, correct? |
| 20:46.36 | chouimat|bored | legodude: yup a new version |
| 20:46.55 | legodude | is there a continuous netstat? |
| 20:48.04 | legodude | chouimat|bored: that would be nice as I've given up on serial ports basically |
| 20:48.51 | chouimat|bored | yup |
| 20:54.36 | CosmicPenguin | I did most of my college work on a hpux - hated ever minute of it |
| 20:54.59 | legodude | I actually don't mind it that much after getting it setup with GNU apps |
| 20:55.03 | legodude | not so painful |
| 20:55.08 | legodude | less bad than Irix |
| 20:55.33 | legodude | it's more of stupid HP |
| 20:55.38 | legodude | instead of using NAS |
| 20:55.43 | CosmicPenguin | Damn... NC State beat Wake Forest |
| 20:55.51 | CosmicPenguin | There another at large bid lost... :( |
| 20:55.53 | legodude | or making their audio program for other OS |
| 20:56.00 | legodude | they make it hpux only |
| 20:57.07 | legodude | iptraf looks like exactly what I want |
| 20:57.10 | legodude | but only works on linux |
| 20:58.09 | chouimat|bored | s/steal/borrow :) |
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| 21:42.13 | kergoth | hey |
| 21:43.32 | GPSFan_ | hi |
| 21:44.30 | file[bed] | 10 SIMMs for 1 DIMM... |
| 21:44.52 | GPSFan_ | new lamps for old... |
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| 21:46.11 | file[bed] | GPSFan_: Didn't you want a 32MB one? |
| 21:46.43 | GPSFan_ | file[bed]: not really, I have 2 32M I'd like a 64 or 2. |
| 21:46.56 | file[bed] | ic |
| 21:47.07 | file[bed] | oh well |
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| 22:09.56 | mallum | hey |
| 22:13.03 | mallum | kergoth: any joy getting 2.3.1 enbaled in the buildroot ? when I hack it in my .config it disables everything dependant on libc :( |
| 22:14.17 | kergoth | mallum: yeah, hold on i'll push it |
| 22:15.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you around? |
| 22:15.42 | kergoth | mallum: bk pull. |
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| 22:28.58 | mallum | kergoth: you are both a gentleman and a scholar :-) |
| 22:29.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:37.07 | mallum | kergoth: whats the new kernel-headers for ? |
| 22:37.35 | kergoth | mallum: needed a way to get headers for a toolchain build without it trying to build a kernel |
| 22:37.44 | kergoth | mallum: as of course you cant build a kernel without the toolchain :) |
| 22:37.59 | kergoth | so you no longer have to build a kernel to build glibc, it uses those headers |
| 22:38.02 | kergoth | kernel is just another package now |
| 22:38.07 | mallum | kergoth: aha |
| 22:38.26 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, i have a kernel so it should need to download them headers right ? |
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| 22:38.59 | MonMotha4 | ok, PCs officially suck |
| 22:39.10 | kergoth | mallum: it should download those headers regardless. |
| 22:39.56 | MonMotha4 | 5 hard drives, can't boot off any but the first two of course...except that the 5th one has anohter OS on it |
| 22:40.09 | MonMotha4 | grrr |
| 22:40.11 | MonMotha4 | anyway.. |
| 22:41.57 | mallum | kergoth: okie np, btw I think /packages/kernel-headers/version.h and autoconf.h needed to be checked in ? |
| 22:42.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:42.21 | kergoth | they are checked in. |
| 22:42.23 | kergoth | bk -r co -q |
| 22:43.03 | mallum | kergoth: aha, I though bk pull was enough |
| 22:43.16 | kergoth | shouldve been |
| 22:43.25 | kergoth | I put an entry in our config to automatically bk co on bk pull |
| 22:44.24 | mallum | kergoth: whats bk pull actually do then ? |
| 22:44.46 | kergoth | syncs your local repository with the remote. |
| 22:44.55 | kergoth | your local dir isnt a _checkout_ of the remote one |
| 22:45.02 | kergoth | its a full on repository in and of itself |
| 22:45.07 | kergoth | which you check files into and out of |
| 22:45.21 | kergoth | syncing your tree with someone elses doesnt imply a change in what files are checked into or out of your local repos |
| 22:46.10 | mallum | I see |
| 22:46.26 | kergoth | just remember, bk clone isnt like cvs co |
| 22:46.36 | kergoth | bk co is like cvs co |
| 22:47.07 | kergoth | bk cloen is like tarring up the cvs repository and downloading it |
| 22:47.10 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: bk clone is like cvsup |
| 22:47.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:47.34 | kergoth | last i checked, cvsup didnt pull down file history |
| 22:47.35 | kergoth | so no |
| 22:47.59 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: just remove the TAG directive and voila you have everything :) |
| 22:48.11 | kergoth | ah |
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| 22:50.33 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 22:50.35 | mallum | kergoth: right, and I use bk emacs <existing file> to make changes right ? |
| 22:50.52 | kergoth | mallum: yeah. which simply does bk edit [file] and then emacs [file] |
| 22:51.07 | kergoth | which locks the file for editing |
| 22:51.51 | mallum | kergoth: okey cool, and bk new <new file> to add a new one ? |
| 22:52.23 | kergoth | or bk add, or bk ci -i |
| 22:55.49 | mallum | kergoth: cool, and does the changeset just get made ? or do I need to run an actual command ? |
| 22:56.19 | kergoth | bk ci checks in each individual change |
| 22:56.22 | kergoth | bk commit creates a changeset |
| 22:56.25 | kergoth | or you can us bk citool to do both |
| 22:56.28 | kergoth | s/us/use/ |
| 22:56.43 | kergoth | all bk pull and push do, is send/receive ChangeSets between repositories |
| 22:56.47 | kergoth | local or remote |
| 22:56.48 | andersee | kergoth: hey |
| 22:57.24 | mallum | kergoth: gotcha |
| 22:57.31 | andersee | kergoth: tried the latest oz last night. Looks nice. The web browser wouldnt install. |
| 22:57.44 | kergoth | yeah, thats becaues /var was mounted with noexec |
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| 22:57.46 | kergoth | (oops) |
| 22:57.58 | kergoth | remove 'user' from the fstab line for /var |
| 22:58.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:01.40 | andersee | trying that now |
| 23:03.14 | andersee | kergoth: any way to check package size prior to installing? |
| 23:03.40 | andersee | i.e. to check if konqueror-snapshot-full will fit? |
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| 23:06.22 | kergoth | depends. only if the package has an Installed-Size field.. and even then, its iffy, given you're installing to a compressed medium.. |
| 23:21.07 | andersee | kergoth: seems like at package creation time one could run mkfs.jffs2 on it to determine how big it'll be. If someone wanted to invest the effort... |
| 23:21.13 | andersee | no big deal though |
| 23:30.21 | kergoth | andersee: in fact, the tools I use to build packages do just that |
| 23:30.33 | kergoth | andersee: :) but I dont know if opie's packaging GUI displays it |
| 23:30.43 | kergoth | andersee: could be listed in the double-tap info page on the package |
| 23:30.54 | kergoth | brb |
