| 00:17.54 | CosmicPenguin | brb - gotta test my ieee1394 crap |
| 00:18.00 | mastermnd | is anyone else having problems with the pcnet_cs driver in the current tuxscreen buildroot? |
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| 00:30.43 | CosmicPenguin | Why can't I find the damn major minor of the ieee1934 driver anywhere? |
| 00:32.21 | mastermnd | last resort: build a kernel with devfs support, turn it on, then run file on the device. |
| 00:34.16 | CosmicPenguin | bah - devfs is for the devil |
| 00:34.27 | CosmicPenguin | last resort: read the damn source code luke |
| 00:34.45 | mastermnd | well, at least it'll tell you what your device numbers are, then you can rmmod it. :) |
| 00:34.54 | mastermnd | Yeah, that works too.. |
| 00:39.42 | MonMotha6 | CosmicPenguin: checked /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt? |
| 00:40.23 | MonMotha6 | but yes, you could always just UTFS |
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| 01:39.57 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here know much about audio? |
| 01:40.49 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I know what sorts of audio I like to listen to |
| 01:41.31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm more interested in knowing how to apply the right filters to boost the audio on a home movie |
| 01:42.58 | andersee | I took a class in signal processing in grad school. |
| 01:43.07 | andersee | So I know the theory.... |
| 01:43.31 | CosmicPenguin | can you give me a hint? |
| 01:43.49 | andersee | first define "boost" |
| 01:44.27 | CosmicPenguin | Lets say Jordan recommended that we use a microphone for some interviews, and that everyone didn't agree with him |
| 01:44.47 | CosmicPenguin | So we have audio, but its of very low volume |
| 01:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a band pass, band reject, high pass, low pass and notch filter available |
| 01:45.30 | CosmicPenguin | And pretending I have no idea what any of those do... |
| 01:45.40 | andersee | low pass == only low frequencies get though |
| 01:45.47 | andersee | high pass == only high frequencies get though |
| 01:46.14 | andersee | Using a pure low or pure high pass will produce artifacts and frequency "ringing" |
| 01:46.58 | andersee | Best is like a butterworth filter, where you can tune the low and high cutoffs and the cutoffs are somewhat gradual to prevent ringing |
| 01:48.12 | theDevil- | CosmicPenguin: I used to work in sound studio... Can you extract the sound only from the video? |
| 01:48.32 | theDevil- | dump it to regular old .wav format or whatever |
| 01:49.00 | CosmicPenguin | theDevil-: I guess |
| 01:49.14 | CosmicPenguin | Time to bring in the big guns |
| 01:49.19 | theDevil- | ok so the problem is what? high background noise and the speech doesnt come through? |
| 01:49.30 | CosmicPenguin | No background noise, just low levels on the audio |
| 01:49.56 | theDevil- | okie dokie.. If you can live with it not being hi-fi then use a normalizer |
| 02:00.21 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... It seems that my video capture brings in some sort of funky AVI that mplayer can't figure out |
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| 02:27.20 | Sammy | does anyone have some experience on tux IR Keybord porting on FIR/SIR platform ? |
| 02:27.48 | Sammy | can give me some hint or point way ? |
| 02:48.24 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so I think I've got this figured out |
| 02:48.51 | CosmicPenguin | The video comes in through kino - I extract the wave, process it with cinelerra and combine them with main actor. Easy as pie |
| 02:48.55 | file | CosmicPenguin: this motherboard is interesting... |
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| 04:17.36 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I got this all figured out |
| 04:19.16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: the volume thing? |
| 04:20.24 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: yeah - Kino is the key... :) |
| 04:21.14 | andersee | ahhh |
| 04:25.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:45.26 | CosmicPenguin | Kino is pretty cool actually - it can do alot of stuff |
| 04:45.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i can't even get ifoedit to work w/ wine ;p |
| 04:46.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: damn |
| 04:47.08 | sorphin | seen a couple mentioned of it being done, but no specifics |
| 05:05.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: right now, I'm having trouble getting my audio and video to sync |
| 05:06.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's why i wanna use my series 2 tivo for encoding |
| 05:06.30 | sorphin | then there's no probs ;) |
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| 05:34.08 | sorphin | MonMotha6: why be monmotha6 when you're not even on via ipv6 ;p |
| 05:37.56 | MonMotha6 | sorphin: because my damn tunnel died |
| 05:38.52 | sorphin | no, your tunnel sucks ;) |
| 05:38.59 | sorphin | i'd rather stay ipv4 and be fast ;p |
| 05:39.03 | sorphin | which reminds me |
| 05:39.03 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | the other end sucks |
| 05:39.07 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | it's usually pretty fast |
| 05:39.10 | sorphin | need to email the sucker at vbns |
| 05:39.12 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | but it doesn't work sometimes |
| 05:39.23 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | yep, the endpoint died |
| 05:39.29 | sorphin | the chick there never did mail me about getting my ipv6 crap set up |
| 05:40.08 | sorphin | MonMothaIPv4Suck: the group i support took over vbns (wcom's high(er) speed backbone), which is also their ipv6 presence and free ;) |
| 05:40.45 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | I see |
| 05:40.48 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | think I could get a tunnel? :) |
| 05:40.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:41.02 | sorphin | gotta get mine 1st ;p |
| 05:41.17 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | do you know ATDN very well? |
| 05:41.17 | sorphin | prolly won't be too much faster than me to say he.net |
| 05:41.22 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | where is "vie" at? |
| 05:41.31 | sorphin | because i won't have a facility directly into their cloud |
| 05:41.36 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | it's one of their major POPs |
| 05:41.47 | sorphin | prolly vienna, va |
| 05:41.51 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | wow, I can route throw chicago now |
| 05:41.54 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | through |
| 05:41.59 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | I used to ALWAYS route through vie |
| 05:42.06 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | vienna, va is a big deal? |
| 05:42.09 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | I've never heard of the place |
| 05:42.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:42.20 | sorphin | that's where UUNet's main shite is |
| 05:42.32 | sorphin | or was |
| 05:42.38 | sorphin | says fairfax now |
| 05:42.45 | sorphin | but i know there's still some core in vienna |
| 05:42.52 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | I see |
| 05:43.11 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | god my uplink sucks |
| 05:43.18 | sorphin | hehe |
| 05:43.21 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | 50ms from my ISP to it's ATDN uplink in columbus, OH |
| 05:43.28 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | 50ms from indianapolis to columbus! |
| 05:43.43 | sorphin | you're the one on cable ;p |
| 05:43.46 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | yes |
| 05:43.49 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | duh, whois me |
| 05:44.05 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | I"m on RoadRUnner, which is AOL/TW, so they use ATDN |
| 05:44.09 | sorphin | i know |
| 05:44.30 | sorphin | 10ms 1st hop :P |
| 05:44.45 | sorphin | well, 9-10 |
| 05:45.31 | sorphin | and unless i'm hopping on sprintlink (which uses the oldest network gear in existance :P) |
| 05:45.40 | sorphin | i'm usually under 100ms anywhere |
| 05:45.55 | sorphin | MonMothaIPv4Suck: wanna hear something funny? |
| 05:46.26 | sorphin | MonMothaIPv4Suck: guess where sprintlink got their equipment :P wcom's decommisioned equipment ;p |
| 05:48.20 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | now that's pathetic |
| 05:48.28 | sorphin | yup |
| 05:48.29 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | especially seeing as how sprintlink is the big game in indianapolis |
| 05:48.40 | sorphin | they used to be big game everywhere |
| 05:49.09 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | they still are in indianapolis |
| 05:49.19 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | pretty much the best you can get around here without running a line all the way to chicago |
| 05:49.34 | sorphin | here's something pathetic |
| 05:49.37 | sorphin | at work |
| 05:49.38 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | (which is expensive as hell due to SBC |
| 05:49.40 | sorphin | to get to the net |
| 05:49.49 | sorphin | i'm in st louis, ok |
| 05:49.57 | sorphin | where do you think we peer w/ uunet? ;p |
| 05:50.18 | sorphin | you'd think the uunet core downtown st louis |
| 05:50.20 | sorphin | but nooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:50.22 | sorphin | chicago |
| 05:50.39 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | heh |
| 05:51.46 | sorphin | MonMothaIPv4Suck: btw. if you do a whois on uu.net |
| 05:51.53 | sorphin | that ashburn, va contact |
| 05:52.15 | sorphin | that's a big datacenter, actually where the backup server for the app i support is in there in an unmanaged rack |
| 05:52.31 | sorphin | it's a bitch just to get in there |
| 05:52.34 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | heh |
| 05:52.39 | sorphin | don't even think about getting into the webhosting data center ;) |
| 05:52.44 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | I like datacenters in the middle of nowhere :) |
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| 05:57.03 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... looks like Century is back with a vengance |
| 05:57.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: oh? |
| 05:58.51 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: signal11 is on a box at Century - it has been down all day |
| 05:59.38 | sorphin | how come it never says century :P |
| 05:59.47 | sorphin | tis always just leased.aros.net |
| 06:00.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: aros.net is the upstream provider |
| 06:01.07 | sorphin | century too cheap to dns/revdns their ip space? |
| 06:01.27 | sorphin | what am i saying |
| 06:01.31 | sorphin | they were too cheap to keep you |
| 06:01.58 | sorphin | and others that actually worked i'm sure |
| 06:04.43 | CosmicPenguin | most of the boxes are dnsed - its just that penguin (the box that signal11 is on), is on the new ip allocation |
| 06:04.52 | CosmicPenguin | and mark is hesitant to switch over |
| 06:05.21 | sorphin | how come? |
| 06:06.00 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | hello tim |
| 06:06.27 | sorphin | TimRiker: modded that damn xbox yet? ;) |
| 06:06.50 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | can we even consider the xbox embedded? it has a freakin hard drive |
| 06:06.59 | sorphin | MonMothaIPv4Suck: umm |
| 06:07.08 | sorphin | MonMothaIPv4Suck: no idea, not why i was asking him ;p |
| 06:07.11 | MonMothaIPv4Suck | ah |
| 06:07.28 | sorphin | MonMothaIPv4Suck: he bought the same chip i have, was waiting on him to do something w/ the damn thing ;p |
| 06:07.33 | sorphin | cuz he was gonna port bzflag |
| 06:12.18 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 06:12.34 | signal11 | what has been down all day? just my box or www |
| 06:12.54 | signal11 | i just got back from vegas and this was my valentine's day present |
| 06:16.12 | CosmicPenguin | www has been down, and I couldn't find cosmic |
| 06:16.26 | CosmicPenguin | and signal11 hasn't been around all day either |
| 06:17.28 | CosmicPenguin | how was phish? |
| 06:17.48 | signal11 | not too bad |
| 06:18.00 | signal11 | 2nd set was too short |
| 06:23.04 | CosmicPenguin | Man, I'm going to bed, I just can't get this audio to sync correctly |
| 06:29.15 | TimRiker | sorphin: no, and it's bugging me. |
| 06:29.57 | TimRiker | sorphin: no GLX on the xbox yet. so bzflag will run slow. |
| 06:30.12 | TimRiker | well, I should say no hw support for glx |
| 06:47.06 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:47.39 | Sammy | anyone have some experience on tux IR Keyboard connect on FIR/SIR receive ? |
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| 14:29.20 | sjhill | sorphin: wake up slacker |
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| 14:31.41 | TomW | morning all! |
| 14:34.27 | sjhill | hi TomW |
| 14:34.35 | TomW | hey |
| 14:35.20 | TomW | I got the WebPal SIMM adaptor working on my device programmer! I was just going to look for a linux binary to try out in it. |
| 14:35.40 | sjhill | neat |
| 14:36.23 | TomW | yeah! I just pulled the image from the simm and ran strings across it. |
| 14:37.25 | TomW | HP DeskJet 550C |
| 14:37.25 | TomW | HP DeskJet 560C |
| 14:37.25 | TomW | HP LaserJet IIP |
| 14:37.25 | TomW | :1230 |
| 14:37.25 | TomW | Arts |
| 14:37.26 | TomW | http://www.wwar.com/ |
| 14:37.28 | TomW | World Wide Arts Resources |
| 14:37.40 | TomW | I'd say that I got the wiring correct? |
| 14:39.01 | sjhill | k |
| 14:39.14 | sjhill | sorry, i briefly switched hubs |
| 14:39.17 | TomW | I brought the RDY/*BSY line out to the programmer, not sure if I needed to do that, but that is an important line when doing Flash programming. |
| 14:39.56 | TomW | ... Always fun working under the microscope to wire to fine lead devices. |
| 14:40.07 | sjhill | *shudder* |
| 14:40.57 | TomW | Well, at least I have one. A friend "loaned" me a binocular 10X/20X unit, he says it is on "permanent loan". |
| 14:41.11 | TomW | whatever that means, heh. |
| 14:41.43 | TomW | I guess if he needs some money then he can sell it out from under me? |
| 14:42.17 | TomW | Well, let me see if I can erase the SIMM and put the WebPal binary image back into it. |
| 14:43.17 | TomW | erases okay. |
| 14:46.14 | TomW | program went well, now to find an image and try this out! |
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| 14:50.43 | sorphin | TomW: hmm |
| 14:51.54 | lilphil | ade|desk, you around? |
| 14:53.19 | TomW | sorphin: eh? |
| 14:53.28 | sorphin | TomW: breaking more stuff eh? |
| 14:54.14 | sorphin | :) |
| 14:55.10 | TomW | yeah, found a kernel image on the bigbrd site. Just cleaning up the work area so I can setup my webpal pcb to give it a whirl. |
| 14:55.45 | sorphin | nod |
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| 14:58.59 | sorphin | GPSFan: morning ken |
| 15:01.36 | TomW | GPSFan: my adaptor the the webpal simm is working on the Needham EMP30 |
| 15:01.49 | TomW | s/the the/on the/ |
| 15:03.02 | CosmicPenguin | Morning! |
| 15:03.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: liar |
| 15:03.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: at least I think it is... there is light out side coming from the east |
| 15:04.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's actually 9pm, the sun's confused |
| 15:04.05 | sjhill | *sigh* this is going to be a LONG day for toolchain work |
| 15:04.13 | sorphin | ibot: cluebat sjhill |
| 15:04.15 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps sjhill. |
| 15:04.28 | sorphin | sjhill: morning whore |
| 15:04.52 | sjhill | sorphin: howdy whipping boy |
| 15:05.03 | sorphin | sjhill: that's lackey |
| 15:05.11 | sjhill | ooohhhh....sorry! |
| 15:05.12 | sorphin | if you're gonna insult, get it right ;) |
| 15:05.18 | sjhill | heh |
| 15:05.29 | sorphin | sjhill: mips toolchain eh? |
| 15:05.45 | sorphin | as if you work on non mips ;) |
| 15:05.45 | sjhill | yeah, for the next Timesys MIPS release |
| 15:06.06 | sorphin | ;) that'd be why i call you the mipswhore ;) |
| 15:06.12 | sjhill | heh |
| 15:10.12 | TomW | hmmm. nothing on the monitor when I just run the linux zImage, maybe I should hook up the serial port? I can program the webpal original image in and it runs fine. |
| 15:10.30 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 15:10.48 | sorphin | TomW: i never don't have the serial hooked up |
| 15:10.50 | GPSFan | sorphin: morinig dan how goes it today? |
| 15:10.51 | sorphin | plus check your params file |
| 15:11.05 | TomW | at least the programming adaptor is working, I had my doubts about that for a while! |
| 15:11.09 | sorphin | GPSFan: goes, just watching Tom(gramps)W try and get that working ;) |
| 15:11.50 | ade|desk | lilphil: yup ? |
| 15:12.23 | TomW | other thing, when I took the zImage off bigbrd's site, Mozilla wanted to save it as a text file. Wonder if it got munged? |
| 15:12.34 | sorphin | TomW: umm |
| 15:12.35 | GPSFan | hehe, he will get it going, if I can get X running on it then it couldn't bee too hard for an expert. |
| 15:12.46 | TomW | heh |
| 15:12.52 | sorphin | TomW: "which" zimage? :P |
| 15:12.57 | sorphin | only one of them gives output ;p |
| 15:13.06 | TomW | GPSFan: go right ahead, encourage me. |
| 15:14.12 | GPSFan | TomW: all I can say is I RTFM'd and got it going with out any major hassle. First via NFS, then off a HDD. |
| 15:14.20 | TomW | k |
| 15:14.55 | GPSFan | mucking around with the TuxScreen for a year helped too. |
| 15:15.25 | ade|desk | lilphil: ping |
| 15:15.52 | TomW | yeah, nothing like a little confidence building. That is what the Tux was for me too, a confidence builder. |
| 15:16.17 | sorphin | TomW: the webpal shattered any confidence i had in the hardware itself ;p |
| 15:16.35 | lilphil | ade|desk, sorry back again |
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| 15:17.09 | sorphin | ade|desk: make up your mind ;p |
| 15:17.15 | sorphin | erm |
| 15:17.41 | lilphil | ade, you work for ITS? im about to graduate at exeter, wondering if there are any jobs going |
| 15:18.40 | ade|desk | lilphil: sorry i dont work for ITS. i'm only a lowly UG. for jobs at ITS try the ex.ac.uk/its jobs section |
| 15:18.53 | lilphil | wise you are ;) |
| 15:19.13 | lilphil | ta |
| 15:19.42 | ade|desk | sorphin: yeah well i'm about to reboot this one into a naff linux for ibm hdd reconstruction .. hence the lappy is coming in to play :) |
| 15:19.51 | ade|desk | lilphil: no problem |
| 15:19.54 | sorphin | ah |
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| 15:21.09 | ade|desk | oh well |
| 15:21.26 | sorphin | ade|lite: no, he just either saw the ex.ac.uk :P |
| 15:21.30 | sorphin | or someone told him |
| 15:23.31 | ade|lite | maybe |
| 15:23.54 | ade|lite | grr hate ibm drives now |
| 15:24.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:27.13 | ade|lite | anyone got a good tux root/zimage for tinyX ? |
| 15:35.41 | TomW | oh that sucks! |
| 15:35.42 | fontenot | ade|lite: whatsa matter? you dont wanna dl all that source code? |
| 15:36.16 | TomW | The linux doesn't output via the SVGA connector, it only emits video out the monitor output. :P |
| 15:36.54 | sjhill | fontenot: Tim? |
| 15:36.58 | nelson | fontenot: no, he doesn't. Neither do I. |
| 15:39.04 | TomW | Never mind. |
| 15:39.21 | TomW | You have to make sure it turns itself on. |
| 15:39.36 | TomW | Cool! I have linux running on the webpal! |
| 15:39.39 | fontenot | nelson: yeah I understand |
| 15:39.51 | TomW | Seems like such an anti-climax though. :( |
| 15:40.32 | TomW | guess it is now time to add that hard drive. |
| 15:40.34 | nelson | TomW: well done! |
| 15:40.35 | fontenot | TomW: how so? |
| 15:40.53 | TomW | fontenot: ? |
| 15:41.02 | fontenot | TomW: how is it anticlimactic? |
| 15:41.36 | TomW | dunno, guess it is just all that time I spent building the SIMM programming adaptor. |
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| 15:42.42 | TomW | maybe after I get my own kernel built and running it will feel differently. |
| 15:42.43 | fontenot | TomW: you have 64MB on your webpal yet? |
| 15:43.40 | TomW | no, just 4 meg. That is what I should do next, start checking those 16Meg FPDRAM I have to see if they will work in it. |
| 15:48.07 | sorphin | TomW: i'd already done that |
| 15:48.40 | sorphin | when my 2nd one bricked i was actually trying to change kernels again |
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| 15:55.49 | fontenot | sounds like webpals are easier to brick than tuxes |
| 15:56.32 | prpplague | fontenot: well nothing is totally brick'd, there always a way to recover |
| 15:56.37 | sorphin | fontenot: they are |
| 15:56.49 | sorphin | fontenot: atleast w/ a tux you have jtag tho :P |
| 15:57.05 | fontenot | :-) |
| 15:57.50 | sorphin | prpplague: morning dave |
| 15:58.12 | prpplague | sorphin: morning lackey |
| 15:58.27 | sorphin | oh, it's that way huh? |
| 15:58.33 | prpplague | sorphin: jk |
| 15:58.38 | sorphin | prpplague: in that case, morning you POS bitch :P |
| 15:58.39 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:58.51 | prpplague | sorphin: i say that as i spread my butt checks for another day at work |
| 15:58.56 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:59.03 | sorphin | welcome to abcsinc |
| 15:59.11 | sorphin | where you bring your own vasoline |
| 16:00.52 | fontenot | point of sale bitch? |
| 16:00.58 | sorphin | fontenot: yup |
| 16:04.54 | prpplague | argh, the freakin bank scam has spread to china |
| 16:05.03 | sorphin | ? |
| 16:05.07 | fontenot | ? |
| 16:05.33 | prpplague | you know, "hi i'm a top level official and i need your help to laundre some money" spam |
| 16:05.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:05.57 | sorphin | never seen those ;p |
| 16:06.00 | sorphin | i don't see most of my spam |
| 16:06.12 | fontenot | oh yeah that |
| 16:06.34 | fontenot | i was just reading wlan-ng archives and there are like 5 of those in feb alone |
| 16:06.58 | GPSFan | TomW: congrat's, WebPals don't have jtag, but now you have a programmer, and can help some of the poor folks who have bricked their webpals. |
| 16:07.10 | sorphin | like me ;) |
| 16:07.16 | TomW | yeah, like sorphin |
| 16:07.37 | sorphin | TomW: if you could turn on protection on where the bootloader is ;p |
| 16:07.41 | fontenot | heh. webpals plural |
| 16:07.51 | TomW | sorphin: well, email the binary, then send the SIMMs with return postage. |
| 16:08.36 | sorphin | i think i might need my cap :P i omitted it and that's too coincidental w/ my Checksum Errors |
| 16:10.03 | GPSFan | sorphin: did you cut jp1? it conflicts with the serial port adapter, depending on the relative strength of the buffers sometimes you will never see it, sometimes it will. |
| 16:10.16 | sorphin | no, i didn't |
| 16:10.31 | sorphin | guess i better now ;p |
| 16:10.49 | prpplague | TomW: hey, how goes it? |
| 16:11.44 | GPSFan | sorphin: I watched the pin with a scope and could see the ir keyboard trying to pull the serial port signal down. Cut JP1 and no interference. |
| 16:12.17 | sorphin | well, i wasn't even touching an ir keyboard tho |
| 16:13.26 | GPSFan | sorphin: ok, but the IR driver is still connected, and when the MAX225/232 tries to pull the signal low, the IR is trying to keep it high. |
| 16:13.42 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:14.09 | GPSFan | sorphin: 2 ttl outputs in paralles ain't good. ;>) |
| 16:14.26 | GPSFan | s/paralles/parallel |
| 16:16.20 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:16.21 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:16.33 | sorphin | prp :yo |
| 16:16.37 | sorphin | grr |
| 16:16.39 | sorphin | prpplague: yo |
| 16:19.13 | pattieja | morning |
| 16:24.02 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
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| 16:26.00 | CosmicPenguin | you guys should like that commercial with Yow Ming |
| 16:26.27 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I haven't asked in a bit how is the fate of Pixil on the tuxscreen? |
| 16:27.45 | prpplague | Morn: he;s suppose to be finilizing that for his last 30 days as a contractor to censoft |
| 16:28.44 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: prpplague is right |
| 16:28.57 | Morn | I'm looking forward to it |
| 16:29.46 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: right now my former employers and myself have different ideas of "ready" |
| 16:29.54 | prpplague | Morn: as i am for the hackkit |
| 16:29.57 | CosmicPenguin | but if they want to give me 30 days of consulting to fix it, who am I to complain? |
| 16:30.15 | Morn | CosmicPenguin: I often get into arugmenets over that sort of thing |
| 16:30.53 | prpplague | "its got a login, sell it!" |
| 16:31.17 | fontenot | ship it now we can always patch it later |
| 16:31.33 | CosmicPenguin | Ah, but here we're just releasing it with a GPL license |
| 16:31.48 | CosmicPenguin | Greg says that he's embarresed to release the code under his name... |
| 16:31.58 | CosmicPenguin | Which is funny, since I wrote a big chunk of it, and I'm not embarrased |
| 16:32.07 | fontenot | :-) |
| 16:33.46 | sorphin | prpplague: how cheap you think is cheap for a magstripe writer? (and did you get to wander around inventory? :) ) |
| 16:34.08 | prpplague | sorphin: about 1.5k |
| 16:34.47 | sorphin | heh, then i guess $75 isn't too bad then ;p |
| 16:34.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i hate that commercial |
| 16:35.31 | prpplague | sorphin: you said writer |
| 16:35.48 | prpplague | sorphin: you found a write for $75? |
| 16:36.10 | sorphin | ebay |
| 16:36.27 | sorphin | LoCo writing, but good enough for me |
| 16:36.41 | prpplague | sorphin: i'd be weary |
| 16:36.59 | sorphin | i see quite a few going for that |
| 16:37.09 | sorphin | they're parallel port |
| 16:37.11 | prpplague | writers? |
| 16:37.19 | sorphin | yes |
| 16:38.13 | sorphin | prpplague: for example |
| 16:38.14 | sorphin | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=170&item=3401817935&rd=1 |
| 16:39.54 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh, never seen one like that before, we always got card printer/writer units |
| 16:40.05 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:41.26 | sorphin | prpplague: no encoder/decoder, it's all done sw side |
| 16:51.22 | kergoth | yo |
| 16:51.33 | sorphin | lo mr digiopenZ |
| 16:51.41 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 16:51.51 | sorphin | tiredly, you? |
| 16:52.21 | kergoth | same |
| 16:54.52 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:55.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:55.18 | sorphin | personal issues eh? :P |
| 16:57.05 | kergoth | heh, lots of shit goin on in all aspects of life, work, personal, projects. hectic, busy as hell |
| 16:57.12 | sorphin | ah |
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| 17:12.44 | kergoth | TimRiker: hey tim |
| 17:14.35 | sorphin | bad joke coming (cuz i'm tired :P ) |
| 17:14.46 | sorphin | it's Cmdr. Tim Riker of the starship BZFlag :P |
| 19:07.10 | TomW | Well, it sees the 4 gig drive. Now to get something ON that drive so it can boot rather than just panic. :P |
| 19:08.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: oh? |
| 19:11.01 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah |
| 19:11.46 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I had nothing to do with pixil-DT |
| 19:11.53 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:11.53 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but they want me to fix it |
| 19:11.57 | sorphin | what's that? |
| 19:12.39 | TomW | sorphin: http://www.openhardware.net/pics/Needham-perf.jpg |
| 19:13.10 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its the desktop version of Pixil - so you can sync between your PDA and desktop, for example |
| 19:13.21 | TomW | sorphin: you need my address to ship those SIMMs to? |
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| 19:18.29 | sorphin | TomW: ya, i do |
| 19:18.51 | sorphin | TomW: you think it's possible to kick on the protection on the amd via your programmer or if you have to do it another way? |
| 19:19.21 | TomW | Uhhh, don't think that I can set protected blocks with the programmer... |
| 19:19.50 | TomW | ah! yes I can! |
| 19:20.02 | sorphin | ;) |
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| 19:21.59 | sorphin | btw, neat lil 'hack' there |
| 19:22.24 | TomW | ? dunno, seems to be something with the chat. prpplague chatted with me this morning. |
| 19:24.05 | sorphin | just /m it :P |
| 19:24.16 | sorphin | anways, the hack was your simm adapter |
| 19:26.42 | sorphin | k, got it |
| 19:27.10 | sorphin | so can you limit what you can protect like on the tux's flash? |
| 19:28.27 | TomW | ya, the device appears to have 18 sectors on it and I can lock them selectively. |
| 19:29.20 | TomW | you have to keep in mind that locking a sector only protects the sector, it doesn't make it possible to run program from within that sector while erasing / programming other sectors. |
| 19:30.06 | TomW | blob loads into RAM from Flash, then erase / programs the Flash, but you already knew that. |
| 19:31.51 | sorphin | TomW: basically all i'm shooting for here |
| 19:32.16 | sorphin | is to prevent brickage again by the bootloader being toasted while flashing something that ISN'T the bootloader (i.e. in other sectors) |
| 19:32.18 | TomW | I guess that all you have to do to build linux for the webpal target is to patch it, then "make dep ; make clean ; make zImage"? |
| 19:32.56 | TomW | sorphin: awww, but then where would the excitement be? The thrill of danger? |
| 19:35.22 | TomW | back in the dark ages, I had a CP/M (Z80) computer, and when I went to test any C program that I wrote, I would first open the door on the floppy drive. It seems that the floppy drive registers were memory mapped into RAM space and when the program would explode it would ivariably start writing crap on the floppy. |
| 19:39.17 | sorphin | TomW: i'd be sending it to you once a week |
| 19:40.45 | TomW | mmm, I am looking over the bootp sources. I have a zImage and need to figure out how to combine the bootp & zImage so I can put it into Flash. |
| 19:42.00 | sorphin | TomW: here's what i did :P |
| 19:42.17 | sorphin | TomW: i got the linux kernel image (that has bootp + zimage + small cramfs) |
| 19:42.25 | sorphin | flashed that, then just replace kernel at will |
| 19:43.07 | TomW | no docs on that bootp |
| 19:43.15 | sorphin | what' you're saying sounds like combining lilo and the kernel :P |
| 19:43.20 | sorphin | in other words |
| 19:43.24 | sorphin | wrong idea |
| 19:43.52 | sorphin | heh, not much to it, read the code |
| 19:46.46 | TomW | yeah. The linux zImage appears to be at $1000:8000, so the bootp is prolly at $1000:0000, that would give the bootp 32K to reside in. |
| 19:51.57 | TomW | aha! it goes: bootloader at $0000:0000, then romfs at $0000:8000, followed by the linux zImage.. |
| 19:52.45 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, reading the code is one thing, buildiing / cat'ing the image(s) is another. |
| 20:04.54 | sorphin | TomW: it's on bigbrd's page |
| 20:05.52 | TomW | I've been staring at his page... |
| 20:06.27 | sorphin | at the top |
| 20:07.26 | TomW | ya, saw that, also it is in the bootp.h file. I need a romfs before I smack together an image to try. |
| 20:07.38 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:07.40 | sorphin | you have one ;p |
| 20:07.48 | sorphin | if you get that linux kernel image |
| 20:07.55 | TomW | Thinking of dd'ing the romfs he has inside the 1meg kernel image on his site. |
| 20:07.59 | sorphin | it has bootp+zimage+cramfs/romfs |
| 20:08.09 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:08.12 | sorphin | warning tho |
| 20:08.17 | sorphin | the busybox in it didn't work for me |
| 20:09.00 | TomW | did you get that linux.flash.image to boot to a prompt? All I get from it is a panic. |
| 20:10.16 | TomW | ok, I'm gonna do this: change the kernel version in my sources, then tack the zImage I produced onto the bootp + romfs of his linux.flash.image |
| 20:10.20 | TomW | screw it for now. |
| 20:10.24 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:10.36 | TomW | I'll get clever later with OBJCOPY |
| 20:20.22 | CosmicPenguin | TomW is getting juggy with OBJCOPY |
| 20:20.30 | CosmicPenguin | oops.. jiggy |
| 20:25.16 | TomW | cool, I have my own kernel running now. Sheesh! This stuff is in so many peices! bootp over there, kernel over there, God only knows where the romfs source is at? Nothing like a top-level makefile (as in Tux) to pull all the shit together with a simple 'make'. |
| 20:26.40 | TomW | ok, I have no clue why they have a romfs inside the flash image and the kernel won't boot into it... dumb! |
| 20:26.48 | sorphin | umm |
| 20:26.50 | sorphin | yes it will |
| 20:26.55 | TomW | ? how |
| 20:26.58 | sorphin | you have to set the param correctly :P |
| 20:27.03 | TomW | :P |
| 20:27.06 | sorphin | root=/dev/mtdblock |
| 20:27.07 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:27.19 | TomW | ok, dd'ing shit again... |
| 20:27.25 | sorphin | i searched for a few hours to find htat one out ;p |
| 20:27.33 | TomW | :-/ |
| 20:27.46 | sorphin | and the romfs don't even work for me ;p |
| 20:27.51 | sorphin | same busybox prob i used to have |
| 20:27.55 | sorphin | once you're in ash |
| 20:27.59 | sorphin | no commands work |
| 20:28.10 | sorphin | as far as the romfs source |
| 20:28.17 | sorphin | it's just a cramfs |
| 20:28.20 | sorphin | and busybox |
| 20:28.22 | sorphin | and a couple scripts |
| 20:28.44 | sorphin | oh, btw, you'll also have to do an init=/linuxrc |
| 20:28.46 | sorphin | prolly |
| 20:29.54 | TomW | sorphin: maybe the best thing to do it to take the Tux tree, tack on the bootp sources (into the objcopy of Makefile), then replace the Tux kernel sources with the WebPal sources and use Erik's stuff to build webpal binaries + busybox??? |
| 20:30.48 | TomW | seems like the best approach, Erik's stuff runs (well, most of the time ;) |
| 20:30.51 | sorphin | dunno, i just used a pain in the butt to find arm gcc, etc compiled already |
| 20:31.12 | sorphin | and standard kernel source + RK's path |
| 20:31.16 | sorphin | patch even |
| 20:31.47 | sorphin | TomW: btw, if you read, bootstrap is 24k |
| 20:32.09 | TomW | the 2.4.18 stock sources + rmk patch + bigbrd patch creates a bootable kernel (humph, just panics saying it cannot mount root is all). |
| 20:32.50 | TomW | yeah! nothing like 8K for boot parameters, eh? |
| 20:33.50 | sorphin | right |
| 20:33.56 | sorphin | because you have to tell it where root is ;p |
| 20:33.58 | sorphin | as i told you |
| 20:41.07 | TomW | ya, I got it to a command prompt, but it doesn't know anything except to run the busybox built-ins. |
| 20:41.49 | TomW | apparently, they distro'ed the binary image but it was broken. "why worry, we have the stuff on the IDE". |
| 20:42.05 | sorphin | TomW: i've had this kinda busybox prob before :P |
| 20:42.14 | TomW | Am I being critical? You bet your ass I am! |
| 20:42.34 | TomW | I hate it when people do a half-job. |
| 20:42.36 | andersee | sorphin: busybox problem? |
| 20:42.44 | TomW | andersee: webpal |
| 20:42.53 | andersee | ahh |
| 20:43.12 | TomW | thier binary boots into busybox, but apparently their romfs is crap. |
| 20:43.12 | sorphin | andersee: prolly an old version, like when i was having the same prob |
| 20:43.15 | file | my only stick of SDRAM is no good |
| 20:43.22 | file | a beautiful 256MB PC133, a free stick... no good |
| 20:43.54 | andersee | file: ram is only as good as how much you paid for it |
| 20:44.04 | TomW | sorphin: ok, screw it, I am going to patch shit into a good buildroot-tux tree. |
| 20:44.07 | andersee | file: the cheaper it is, the more broken it is |
| 20:44.20 | sorphin | TomW: nod |
| 20:44.27 | sorphin | TomW: how much does an EMP-30 run? |
| 20:44.32 | TomW | andersee: murphy's Law: you get what you pay for. |
| 20:44.42 | TomW | sorphin: abt $1K |
| 20:44.49 | sorphin | ugh |
| 20:45.13 | andersee | file: try this http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
| 20:45.31 | andersee | file: Lets you map out the bad spots |
| 20:46.01 | andersee | file: patch is also included as part of wolk |
| 20:46.05 | TomW | sorphin: when I sold "mytoys.com" I bought the EMP30. Had tons of cash at that time. |
| 20:46.37 | file | andersee: sweet |
| 20:47.13 | TomW | sorphin: also bought a used scopy, some software (Eagle), some computers, then paid myself for a year to learn embedding uClinux |
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| 20:49.52 | file | andersee: to get Linux onto the machine I'd have to have good RAM... mmm |
| 20:51.10 | andersee | file: sorry, I'm fresh out of magic wands... A new shipment is expected next week. |
| 20:51.19 | file | andersee: shipment of what? |
| 20:51.22 | file | oh right |
| 20:51.25 | andersee | :) |
| 20:51.38 | file | I spent most of lastnight trying to install Win2k Pro and Linux |
| 20:51.44 | file | until I finally realized... maybe it's the RAM! |
| 20:52.03 | andersee | file: I think you are gonna need some extra magic wands for that one |
| 20:52.17 | file | andersee: I'm swiping a stick from a friend's extra computer :) |
| 20:52.26 | file | andersee: so I'll install Linux, then patch my kernel for badram support |
| 20:57.28 | TomW | andersee: is there a problem between ARM binaries that I should be aware of? Sort of link making a 80386 binary and attempting to run it on the 80286 / 8086? |
| 20:57.45 | TomW | andersee: s/link/like/ |
| 20:58.40 | andersee | TomW: if you don't specify -march=<foo> then you should be fine to run on any arm cpu |
| 20:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I love those foo processors... :) |
| 20:59.10 | andersee | TomW: -march=xscale won't run on arm7tdmi |
| 20:59.15 | andersee | etc etc |
| 20:59.35 | TomW | k, thanks |
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| 21:26.45 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha6: looks like IPv6 is back up and running for ya? |
| 21:32.21 | TimRiker | http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=bzflag.2713552&zoom=yes <- you know you want one. |
| 21:34.17 | sorphin | TimRiker: before i go there |
| 21:34.18 | sorphin | don't tell me |
| 21:34.23 | sorphin | an #elinux shirt? :P |
| 21:34.31 | file | LOL |
| 21:34.45 | TimRiker | nope, BZFlag ;-) |
| 21:35.23 | sorphin | oh brother ;p |
| 21:35.49 | CosmicPenguin | Heh.... |
| 21:35.50 | kergoth | you can get pingizauru shirts on cafepress too you know |
| 21:35.58 | CosmicPenguin | Does cafepress cost anything? |
| 21:36.00 | kergoth | (OpenZaurus/Opie logo, godzilla penguin) |
| 21:36.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i think they take a percentage |
| 21:36.24 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but nothing up front? Just artwork and a smile? |
| 21:36.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i KNEW you were gonna say that ;p |
| 21:36.33 | sorphin | pixil shirts |
| 21:37.20 | TimRiker | the bz prices are at cost. I/we get nothing. |
| 21:37.33 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: so you can select how much money you get back? |
| 21:37.42 | TimRiker | but it does not cost us anything either. |
| 21:38.03 | TimRiker | CosmicPenguin: yes, you are told the cost, and you can add whatever you like. |
| 21:38.09 | CosmicPenguin | Sweet.... |
| 21:38.40 | TimRiker | it's cool. the prices are not great, but they are reasonable. |
| 21:38.45 | CosmicPenguin | an #elinux shirt would be fun |
| 21:39.10 | CosmicPenguin | I'm thinking a sort of "Last Supper" look, with andersee in the middle |
| 21:39.27 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:39.29 | kergoth | TimRiker: fyi, schurig went into some detail with some further ideas on the OE/elinux buildsystem we discussed the other week. check the wiki on openembedded.org |
| 21:39.29 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:39.42 | TimRiker | kergoth: will do. |
| 21:40.11 | TimRiker | fun with mrtg: http://list.bzflag.org/ |
| 21:51.54 | MonMotha6 | CosmicPenguin: yes it is |
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