IRC log for #dragonbox-pyra on 20160524

00:01.03RaeCarruth:)
00:01.35WallyOn the PyraOS stuff
00:01.47WallyAh yeah.. you got all that crap
00:02.57RaeCarruthi was thinking of installing Arch Linux...
00:03.58WallyYou should install Skrillex
00:04.25RaeCarruth...
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00:24.15dTalI'm entirely prepared to pay up front for my Pyra now - would that help anything?
00:24.36dTalIf so, I imagine many would if asked
00:25.53BlueMaximaWould probably help dTal. You can buy gift cards for the shop - might be worth just letting ED know via the support system first
00:26.42dTalwhat support system might that be?
00:27.58BlueMaximaGo to Dragonbox.de and look in the top right corner for a Contact us button
00:29.01BlueMaximaJust explain the situation and he should help. He let me 'upgrade' my preorder to a mobile from a standard model so
00:30.05dTalHm, it's not really a "situation" in need of "support". More, "would this help"?
00:30.38BlueMaximaYou can still use it for the same purpose really; you'll be doing it through the store anyway, right?
00:31.03dTalI don't want to just guess the amount though
00:31.31BlueMaximaHence why you contact him and say "hey how much money will complete my order right now? I'd like to help out"
00:32.03BlueMaxima(don't take my 100% word for it since I'm not affiliated or anything, but ED's a nice guy, he'll help you figure something out)
00:32.24Elw3Just buy a few 100€ vouchers.
00:33.34Wallygive BlueMaxima money for a pandora too
00:33.45BlueMaxima^ that too plz
00:34.58dTalSee I am lazy and would like to minimise both work, and complexity. So while the idea of wrapping it all up and getting it out of the way now appeals, the idea of faffing about with multiple vouchers and still having to pay a difference (or ending up with surplus) does not. So I only really care if it will help.
00:35.41BlueMaximaI maintain the best way to figure it out is to use that contact form and tell ED the problem, he'd be able to set you straight
00:36.07Elw3Or just ping EvilDragon here...
00:37.34BlueMaximawell if he needs to go offline or something he'll probably miss ED
00:37.50dTalBlueMaxima have you ever seen me disconnect
00:37.51BlueMaximaAnd I did beep him on here for my issue, you know what he said? Use the contact form :P
00:38.09BlueMaximaheh, point taken
00:38.11BlueMaximabut still
00:38.32Elw3Guess you issue was a hell of a bogus then.
00:38.51BlueMaximaA hell of a what?
00:39.08Elw3That.
00:39.49BlueMaximashrugs
00:40.01Elw3Exactly.
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00:47.39dTalyeah it would be mayhem if everyone who wanted to talk to ED tried to do it on IRC
00:52.33SuperRoachPoor guy
00:53.50Elw3Evil guy.
00:54.10BlueMaximaDragon man.
00:55.56Elw3That is just wrong.
01:01.29Wallyyou're just wrong
01:01.47Wally:D
01:02.03Elw3No, i am not upside down.
01:03.05Wally3ʍʃǝ
01:03.06Wallyyou are now
01:05.24WallyYou're an elw3
01:09.12Wallyfixes up exagear..
01:09.17Wallyit's wrecked.
01:13.07Elw3Your balls are wrecked.
01:14.47Wallyyeah I came in like a wrecking ball
01:16.23WallyaTc: *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/perl terminated getting this when removing exagear.
01:24.57WallyI reckon this thing is running out of ram still
01:25.29Wallyi've given it a 1GB swap
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02:18.08luke-jrTotal preorders: 707 [494 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 695x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 356} @ 2016-05-24 02:18:08 UTC
02:19.35Wallyyayy more
02:20.13dTalI think that's about as many as it's going to get though
02:20.21Wallyinb4 another 2 orders
02:20.31WallyDunno why exagear is failing
02:20.47dTalI don't mean at all, but at this rate 750 will be a long time in coming
02:21.52WallyPyra needs more exposure
02:23.13dTalI didn't notice any particular spikes when it got exposure before
02:23.46dTalI'm unclear on what the next "milestone" is
02:24.04dTalthere's already enough to fund production as I understand it
02:25.23vagrantcwasn't it spelled out in an email recently what the various milestones were?
02:27.58Pangolinhttps://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/cases-colors-and-emails.77466/
02:28.41vagrantcand another one on may 12th which spells it out a little more
02:28.55PangolinYes. if it doesnt reach 900, there will be two batches of 500.
02:33.54dTalSo even if we don't reach 900, if 100 people can be persuaded to pay in full up front then the production need not be split
02:34.54dTalI definitely think it's worth asking people to put up, I reckon we could get 100 without much hassle
02:35.04WallyI think once Pyras start arriving people will order more
02:35.09WallyThere's still a lot of skeptism
02:35.19WallyEvilDragon is on break :P
02:35.25Wallyis listening to Robert Prince — Welcome to a Good Old Kick In the Pants In Hillville, from the album Commander Keen 4: Secret of the Oracle
02:35.28WallyThis song loool
02:35.44WallyInstalling exagear manually.
02:35.50WallyLooks like it's working better than their crappy script
02:35.53dTalThat's not an album, that's a classic computer game
02:36.04WallyWell this is an album :P
02:36.26dTalYou can't just name an album after a video game
02:36.41dTalthat would lead to madness
02:36.53WallyI didn't do anything
02:37.25PangolinIn my opinion the marketing of this preorder campaign is missing two things that may drive people to support a crowdfunding: the sense of urgency (impending deadline of the 'sale') and perceived value of buying now (impulse) instead of later (e.g. Buy now to get $100 off MSRP! or Exclusive backer version!)
02:37.27dTalimagine the confusion if people started releasing albums with names like "Doom" and "Tomb Raider" and "Final Fantasy VII"
02:37.36Wallypls
02:37.36phanboetPLS U
02:37.37Wallyis listening to Tony Williams — 04 - She'll Be Coming 'Round the Mountain (IBM-PC AdLib), from the album Lemmings
02:37.46WallyThat'll fix you
02:37.56dTalYeah but that's actually from the game right
02:38.02WallyYes.
02:38.02dTalthat's different
02:38.37dTalthat's why you can't name an album after a video game, it'd mess up the tags
02:38.40Wallyis listening to Koji Kondo — Market, from the album The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Original Sound Track
02:38.41WallyThere you go
02:38.49Wallyshush
02:39.25dTalPangolin: I agree
02:40.00dTalbut the reality is we have both, in that you get your Pyra earlier the earlier you preorder
02:40.10WallyI really am looking forward to having working fullspeed Goldeneye 64
02:40.14dTalbut it's not very well publicised
02:40.36dTalI'm looking forward to GTAVC, if it can be made to run
02:41.12WallyWe have android so it should work
02:41.57PangolinThere still is no deadline or ETA. As it stands, the soft deadline to stop collecting preorders is still in the air.
02:42.48Wallyand maybe finally finishing some games like mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie
02:43.28PangolinAt some point ED will decide to start a split batch or we reach 900 early enough to meet ED's latest timeline
02:43.31WallyI'm getting the impression that I need to reinstall the PyraOS on the Pandora.
02:43.49WallyI don't think we'll meet his deadlines yet
02:44.10WallyFirst batch will definately be 500. Would be safer to get those out and then people will do reviews and stuff
02:44.14WallyI already have the crap I need to do reviews :)
02:44.16PangolinAgreed.
02:44.28WallyPeople are skeptical because of the Pandora mess.
02:44.32WallyI say this while listening to
02:44.33Wallyis listening to Koji Kondo — Lethal Lava Land, from the album Super Mario 64 OST
02:44.49WallyThis track somehow reminds me of the beginning of the Pandora.
02:45.03PangolinCorrect, I've seen the skeptism in Reddit at least.
02:45.12WallyYeah I noticed those threads.
02:45.36WallyIt'd be interesting to see how we can run Android stuff
02:46.06dTalps2 should work too though right?
02:46.48Wallyit's hard to say
02:47.02Wallyis listening to 282-sound-effects
02:47.12WallyMario Sound effects rofl.. okay I will delete this one
02:47.24dTalAndroid shouldn't be too hard
02:47.35WallyA compatibility layer would be nice at least
02:47.49WallyI know the board doesn't support android by default
02:48.09dTalafter all it's open source and there's already some plans to make chromeOS (which is gentoo) run Android apps
02:48.46Wallyyeah. We'll have apt-get stuff
02:49.22dTalooh that's naughty IRC practice, using nick as status
02:49.47WallyIt's Tachyawn
02:50.05dTalit's a good pun I like it
02:50.06WallyRight.. Reinstalling the OS on the Pandora
02:51.12WallySD card :P
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02:53.01WallyI still have heaps of crap to test.
02:53.15Wally59 packges in staging.. Mostly windows crap
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02:53.27Wallyhttp://pastie.org/10849732 if you're interested
02:54.24WallyI don't think i'd bother with crap like Angry Birds anymore
02:55.23Wallyhaving AOE in my pocket too
02:59.05WallyBlue_Shadow_31 pls
02:59.05phanboetPLS U
03:01.12Wally<blackfish
03:17.30WallyNever understood why tar keeps writing when it has no permission
03:17.36Wallyor trying
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03:32.10Wallyis listening to Mi-Sex — Computer Games (Disco Version), from the album The Essential Mi-Sex (Remastered)
03:32.15WallyCOM-PU PU PU PU PU PUTER GAMES
03:46.47WallyBest C64 track?
03:46.48Wallyis listening to Rob Hubbard — Main Theme, from the album Commando (C64)
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04:51.03luke-jrTotal preorders: 708 [495 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 696x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 357} @ 2016-05-24 04:51:03 UTC
04:51.10Wallyyayyy
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05:04.55warshgg
05:06.24WallyWine is FINALLY working properly..
05:06.28WallyWell the install
05:08.31Wallyof exagear at least..
05:09.39valhalladTal: +1 on doing maybe a week of "ehi, people who are in the second 500-batch, would you be willing to pay in full to allow a 1000-batch and get your pandora early"
05:10.21PangolinWally: Congrats
05:10.51WallyThanks :)
05:11.03WallyI screwed it up so yeah
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05:12.10WallyBlueMaxima https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/pandora-rebirth-edition-for-sale-free-shipping-in-us.77474/#post-1380240
05:12.16WallyYes. I thought you were here already
05:12.32BlueMaxima$225USD + shipping = can't afford :|
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05:14.53BlueMaximalike I'm so broke I couldn't afford to pay $70 for overwatch
05:15.27BlueMaximaso $225 to AUD + shipping = I'd have zero money
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05:23.31urjamanvalhalla, *pyra :P
05:24.23valhallaurjaman: uops, right
05:24.23Wallyblah
05:25.28BlueMaxima:|
05:25.31BlueMaximadon't blah me
05:28.04WallyBLAH
05:29.24BlueMaximathat's it!
05:29.27BlueMaximayou owe me one pandora.
05:29.42WallyNO
05:29.46WallyMAKE ME
05:29.50BlueMaximayour blah quota is over quota.
05:31.16B-ZaRmake: *** No rule to make target 'me'.  Stop.
05:31.59WallyI.. Damnit B-ZaR
05:34.39BlueMaximado I win now
05:35.44WallyB-ZaR winms
05:36.00B-ZaRbwahaha
05:42.32WallyAnyone know how to disable ptrace in debian?
06:09.43warshsystemctl stop ptrace.service
06:12.04_EightBit_moin
06:12.30warsh\o
06:12.52_EightBit_o/
06:13.13_EightBit_Ed still on vacation? I need a pyra news fix
06:15.24warshthe pyra.....is....GREAT
06:15.26warshrecent update
06:15.52_EightBit_:p
06:16.35BlueMaximathe pyra.....is....GREAT...LY delayed
06:18.00_EightBit_LY? Light Years?
06:18.24BlueMaximayeah they're being assembled in alpha centauri
06:18.32_EightBit_right.. :p
06:18.52Tsesarevich<pyr
06:18.54Tsesarevich<pyra
06:18.55phanboetTotal preorders: 708 [495 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 696x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 357}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-24 08:15:13 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html
06:19.04_EightBit_Don't think the pyra is delayed as there was never a set date for release
06:19.20Tsesarevichis the pandora any good
06:19.28_EightBit_yes it is
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06:19.46_EightBit_using it for irc as we speak ;)
06:20.16Tsesarevichah cool
06:21.12_EightBit_hardware is a bit slow for modern websites but it's great for gaming, listening to music, mail, irc etc
06:21.37_EightBit_video playback is a bit so so... youtube on 360p max
06:22.14warshohh
06:22.15warshdang
06:22.17_EightBit_pyra will improve on the things pandora has grown to old for
06:24.31urjamannote: with an actual video player it does do "480p" or screen resolution (800x480) video just fine
06:24.38urjaman(the pandora that is)
06:24.47_EightBit_true
06:25.26_EightBit_if the wifi is good enough it might even stream 480p but its stretching it
06:26.20BlueMaximais the wifi chip in the pyra gonna be any stronger
06:26.41urjamansomebody, get one in a vice
06:26.56urjamanso we'll know how much it can be squeezed :P
06:27.03_EightBit_yeah, pyra will have better wifi
06:27.12BlueMaximathank god :P
06:27.15_EightBit_pandora cant even do 802.11n
06:27.29warshbrah, what about 802.11ad
06:27.46_EightBit_my wifi speed maxes out around 800 kb/s
06:28.00_EightBit_internal wifi that is
06:28.08urjamanthats good btw
06:28.28BlueMaximais that the pandora speed
06:28.40_EightBit_yeah
06:28.43_EightBit_pandora
06:29.05_EightBit_external wifi stick will reach around 2500 kb/sec
06:29.42_EightBit_I got a cheap one from the action which is a cheap chinese crap store
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06:30.47_EightBit_works great but I hardly use it any more, with the latest kernel updates notaz improved wifi speed significantly
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06:44.04undexsymGood morning friends
06:47.22warshwhat, it's still evening
06:47.30warshundexsym: looks like you need a pyra to tell you the time
06:50.22bencohmroning we said
06:54.08undexsymDon't make me report you to urjaman
06:57.56valhalla'morning everybody
06:59.34valhallaand it's always morning when somebody joins IRC!
07:01.04urjamanthx :P
07:01.19Yotsonmornin' (UGT) ;)
07:07.11warshgood morrow
07:07.13SuperRoachmorning undexsym
07:11.53undexsym(:
07:13.22buZzwarsh: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
07:13.30buZzalso, morning
07:14.24buZzwarsh: no 802.11ad, but you will get 802.11a ;)
07:15.05warshdammit
07:15.08warshI'm not leaving yet
07:15.58buZzyou dont have to :P
07:16.33warshbut it's evening
07:16.41warshrules must be followed
07:16.49warshor is it not a two way function
07:16.55warshif: it is night
07:16.59warshthen: it is time to leav
07:17.00warshe
07:20.30luke-jrmorning
07:20.30urjamanyou're in irc now, there's no leaving ;P
07:23.48CloudefINSTANT RELAY CHAT
07:25.52luke-jrflying home this morning
07:26.16Cloudefdid you work out enough to lift your own weight and using chair to do the flying?
08:07.32buZz:)
08:12.09warshmorning buZz
08:12.17buZzmoaning warsh
08:12.27buZzi am so excite
08:12.35warshfor pyra?
08:12.39buZzgetting 8 zipit z2's today :P
08:12.50buZzlike mini prehistoric pyra
08:13.47warshholy crap
08:13.51warshfinally found a picture
08:14.21warshwhy 8?
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08:18.09buZz7 for other people, 1 for me
08:18.24warshahh, logical
08:18.25buZzbeen getting way too many questions, so think i'll get 8 more soon
08:18.43warshbuZz, and his secret supply of vintage pyras
08:18.56buZzthis world is filled with excess
08:19.02buZzjust gotta find it
08:19.12warsh$30 on ebay
08:19.38buZzi paid about half
08:19.45buZzfor totally unused zipits
08:20.43OksanaNeat: http://wejp.k.vu/images/z2n2.jpg Zipit Z2 and Ben Nanonote, side by side
08:23.03warshwhere are the nubs
08:23.06warshI don't see nubs
08:23.17warshI see d-pads
08:23.19warshbut no nubs
08:23.37warshpyra > zipit z2 ; reason for lack of nubs
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08:36.36buZzOksana: its a cute device imho :P
08:36.53buZz400mhz armv5, limited ram, limited storage, wifi, usbhost and otg
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08:39.21megaminxwini want money :(
08:39.51undexsymSame
08:40.23megaminxwin*sad mega*
08:46.13warshmegaminxwin: just print some
08:48.58megaminxwinshush]
08:52.42warshmegaminxwin: did you ever tell the tale about the origin of your nick?
08:53.52TsesarevichbuZz: hopefully pocket pico ships soon
08:54.25megaminxwinwarsh: no
08:57.50buZzTsesarevich: oh yes, june!
08:57.59buZzhmmm :) i'm still doubting ordering one
08:58.06buZzpocketchip*
08:58.47Tsesarevichi will have something to hold me over until i buy a Pyra
08:58.50Tsesarevichlol
08:59.16buZz:)
08:59.18buZz-all- the toys
09:00.25warshmegaminxwin: tell
09:01.25Tsesarevichis there anything in the HP 200LX form factor in particular?
09:01.46Tsesarevichi have one of those around here somewhere
09:01.47Tsesarevichhaha
09:02.16TsesarevichbuZz: maybe i have not decided yet
09:02.40buZzoh i have something in that formfactor
09:02.52buZzthe HP Jornada 680
09:03.03buZz> The device had a 133 MHz Hitachi SH3 processor with 16 MB of integrated RAM and a 16 MB ROM.
09:03.11buZz:D such amazing specs
09:05.24Tsesarevichlol
09:05.29Tsesarevichi meant something modern
09:05.33buZzlol
09:05.43buZzTsesarevich: have you heard about the pyra?
09:05.44buZz:D
09:05.45megaminxwinwarsh: nah
09:05.56TsesarevichbuZz: not the same formfactor though!
09:06.22buZzTsesarevich: seen this? http://hackaday.com/2016/05/01/upgrading-a-20-year-old-pda/
09:06.44warshkonosuba will makeup for the lack of a tale
09:06.45warshnods
09:07.13TsesarevichbuZz: nice
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09:32.23buZzhahaha https://slashdot.org/submission/5896135/bringing-brainfuck-to-the-enterprise
09:38.56Tsesarevichlol
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10:31.16aTcblah, this mailman thinks he has to announce to the whole neighbourhood what someone has ordered
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10:48.08dreamerbuZz: ah right. have to spam it around :p
10:48.48buZz;)
10:48.54buZzbest fakeham ever
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12:00.11TsesarevichaTc: what?
12:00.19TsesarevichaTc: are you serious?
12:00.30TsesarevichaTc: that is unprofessional
12:00.53BlueMaximaTHIS MAN HAS BOUGHT A RYUUKO MATOI DAKIMAKURA
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13:04.49TrashyMG|WorkptitSeb|Work, just the person I was looking for: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/cryengine-source-code-now-available-on-github.7274
13:05.03ptitSeb|Workcryengine?!
13:05.12TrashyMG|Workheh
13:05.13TrashyMG|Workyeah
13:06.00TrashyMG|Workit's prob a bigger mess than the SS engine
13:07.06ptitSeb|Workmmm
13:07.13ptitSeb|Workfrom a super-quick look at it
13:07.22ptitSeb|Workit's "just" the CryEngine
13:07.30ptitSeb|Workno game engine included
13:07.40ptitSeb|Workso, you cannot build FarCry with it
13:07.45ptitSeb|Work(for example)
13:07.49TrashyMG|Workgotcha.
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14:08.29PangolinGodGinrai: You were talking about IRC and cellular roaming issues yesterday. I sent a suggestion right after you signed off. It was:
14:08.48PangolinGodGinrai: Have you considered using a Pi as a irssi/weechat server with mosh? Low power consumption and no WWAN roaming issues.
14:10.03halosghost<pyra
14:10.03phanboetTotal preorders: 708 [495 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 696x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 357}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-24 16:00:20 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html
14:10.24lukeyCan mosh also handle ip tunnels?
14:12.33lukeywats for more Videos of the Pyra
14:12.43lukeywaits*
14:13.46halosghost:D
14:16.24luke-jrTotal preorders: 709 [496 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 697x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 135, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 357} @ 2016-05-24 14:16:24 UTC
14:17.08lukey<pyra
14:17.08phanboetTotal preorders: 708 [495 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 696x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 134, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 357}, 60 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-24 16:15:19 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html
14:19.29Pangolin??? Why are the reports off by one?
14:19.46halosghostPangolin: it updates only every once in a while
14:19.53halosghost(like 30 minutes or something)
14:22.18PangolinAh, but does luke-jr pull the info at a different interval than phanboet?
14:23.10urjamanluke-jr posts when it changes, phanboet checks it every 15min but doesnt auto-post ...
14:23.34urjamani think luke-jr also has 15min poll, but thats obviously not sync'd :P
14:23.58urjamanas you can see above, luke-jr has ..:16:24 and phanboet :15:19 :P
14:25.15PangolinGotcha, I thought they both polled the website: http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html. But that is not the case as it still shows only 708 sales.
14:25.56lukeyThe internet needs Interupts
14:26.06lukeyEspecally NMI's
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14:30.45NeelixPangolin: actually it's the other way around.   As I understand it the IRC bots came first, and that website is based on the data collected by phanboet.
14:31.42urjamanphanboet was first, and the site is ... i think likely same host (slaeshjags stuff), and luke-jr is running almost the same script
14:31.51Pangolin's brain exploded.
14:31.53urjamanbut seperately
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14:33.10PangolinThanks. Is there any connection between order number and board serial number? I guessing there isnt as we have too many floating pre-pre orders.
14:36.42slaeshjagurjaman: indeed. phanboets data and the website/graph gets its data from the same script.
14:37.04slaeshjagurjaman: It's one heck of a shelscript monster with some C blobs here and there
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15:56.47TrashyMG|Workslaeshjag, C blobs, that's the way to do it.
15:58.42slaeshjagTrashyMG|Work: Math is easier in C than it is in shellscript
15:59.10lukeyawk?
15:59.18slaeshjagMy awk-foo is pretty bad
16:02.22DocScrutinizer51calc
16:02.23DocScrutinizer51can even do arbitrary precision iic
16:03.23lukeybc
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16:11.14Klumpenhi
16:11.18Klumpen"apostlegayrape.space" ?
16:12.07RaeCarruthgreetings
16:18.20halosghostawk is pretty solid for a lot of things
16:18.36halosghostthere are only a few minor annoyances I have with it
16:19.43urjamannamely that its awk?
16:25.50TrashyMG|Workor live in my kornshell only nightmare at work...
16:26.45TrashyMG|Workwell except the sun machines, they default to C shell.
16:30.22halosghosturjaman: lol
16:30.52halosghosturjaman: no, more like the fact that there's a `next` keyword but no `prev` keyword which means if you want to go back to a previous record, you will need to have saved it in a variable for access later
16:31.06halosghostwhich is a pita
16:31.36urjamandoesnt know much about awk
16:33.13TrashyMG|WorkI only know the functions in awk that really could be done easier using grep. I know it can do a ton more.
16:33.32halosghostI prefer to use awk over a lot of other cli tools
16:33.41halosghostbut I'm certainly no master
16:33.55halosghoststringly-typed languages and I can only go so far together
16:34.24DocScrutinizer51awk is a programm ing language
16:35.08TrashyMG|Workpeople would use it more if it was called hawk.
16:35.25halosghostDocScrutinizer51: yes
16:35.48halosghostTrashyMG|Work: none of the creators' last names started with an “H” :)
16:35.56DocScrutinizer51and a really awk-ward one (SCNR)
16:36.03TrashyMG|Workhalosghost, They should've invented a person.
16:36.42halosghostTrashyMG|Work: seems legit :)
16:44.32GodGinraiurjaman: what are you on about?  awk is awesome
16:46.11halosghostGodGinrai: hi
16:46.22lukeyawksome
16:46.50urjamanawk-ward....
16:47.27GodGinraihalosghost: hello
16:51.46undexsymHi
16:53.00TrashyMG|Work"awkward" silence after Hi...
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16:55.56lukeygives voice to stuff
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17:15.05Klumpenhttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj1d8jh9x1qamuos.gif
17:16.57TrashyMG|Work^
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17:47.49halosghosthehe, I could put 9front on the pra
17:47.51halosghosts/ra$/yra/
17:48.25halosghostthis seems like a great idea
17:49.14halosghostprobably more likely to put it on my pandora and keep the pyra for modern things
17:50.01Klumpen"pra" <<< sounds like a mix between bra and pyra, nice
17:53.08lukeyOoh Phrack is back
17:53.10lukeyhttp://phrack.org/issues/69/1.html
17:57.42freakazoid0223https://blogs.coreboot.org/blog/2016/05/02/announcing-coreboot-4-4/   "  Changes in chips: Added 1 new architecture: power8"
17:58.06freakazoid0223sruy wrong channel
17:58.11freakazoid0223sorry even
18:01.08GodGinrai9front?
18:01.37valhallaa plan9 fork or something
18:02.12halosghostyeah
18:02.19halosghostit's maintained by neo-nazis which is a bummer
18:02.23valhalla(plan9 from bell labs, not from outer space, of course)
18:02.27valhallais it? ugh :(
18:02.33halosghostvalhalla: seems to be, yes
18:02.44halosghosteither that, or trolls who seem intent on making people think they are neo-nazis
18:02.52halosghostat some point, the difference is one of semantics
18:02.55GodGinraibell labs' plan9 is the only plan9 I was aware of
18:03.12GodGinraihalosghost: so why 9front instead of plan9?
18:03.20halosghostGodGinrai: plan9 is no longer developed
18:03.28halosghostGodGinrai: 9front is actively maintained
18:03.34GodGinraihalosghost: I see
18:03.56valhallaGodGinrai: the original plan9 https://archive.org/details/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space_1959
18:05.08GodGinraivalhalla: I see
18:05.58GodGinraihalosghost: I've heard talk about plan9 occasionally, but I still don't have a good picture of it.  What are its advantages over unix?  And how "supported" are we talking?
18:05.59valhallaI recommend watching it, preferably with friends
18:07.11valhalla(if you want to waste a bit more than an hour of your life)
18:07.43aTcalso watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109707/ if you want to waste a bit more time :)
18:07.56halosghostGodGinrai: it's an operating system made with two fundamental assumptions: private, per-process namespaces; everything is a file (an idea from UNIX taken to an extreme)
18:08.35aTcif only to see the source of http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2511515648/tt0109707
18:08.55halosghostGodGinrai: it also has the notion that a GUI should be an integral part of a modern OS, not an afterthought
18:09.02aTcwhich most here probably don't remember
18:09.11halosghostGodGinrai: the end result is a far more internally-consistent OS
18:09.34halosghostGodGinrai: though it does have the problem that it doesn't necessarily care about keeping up with typical modern technologies (e.g., web browsers)
18:09.44halosghostGodGinrai: as for supported, it sees new releases every month or so
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18:12.47GodGinra1netsplit?
18:13.45TrashyMG|Worknarp.
18:13.53GodGinra1no nickserv.  definitely netsplit
18:14.38TrashyMG|WorkI see no one else splitting. actually didn't see your normal name log out.
18:15.53urjamangood, i dont want to split
18:16.00urjamansounds violent
18:16.31GodGinra1well, the missing nickserv to me seems to scream netsplit
18:16.49GodGinra1hey, there's my ping timeout
18:16.55urjamanthere's a full 100... well now 99 as your old dude pinged out here
18:17.08GodGinra1what's really funny is that when I tried to whois that nick, it told me thre was no such nick
18:17.35GodGinra1oh whoops
18:17.47GodGinra1nickserv is there, it turns out that irssi switched my status window to another server
18:17.53GodGinra1when it reconnected me
18:18.04GodGinra1that also explains why it didn't see my nick <.<
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18:22.18TrashyMG|Workthat guy again...
18:26.20urjamanmy reaction was remembering a japanese vocalization that usually translates as "what a guy" or smth
18:26.31urjamantoo much initial D...
18:28.14TrashyMG|Worknever watched that one yet.
18:30.17KlumpenPlan 9 from outer space is classic Mytery Science Theater material, too bad the show never ran in Germany, only one episode came here
18:30.30KlumpenI have the original in HD
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19:45.13phanboetTotal preorders: 709 [496 mobile (69%); 12x 2GB (1%), 697x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 135, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 357}, 57 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-24 21:30:15 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html
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20:48.11dTalI think my uni's forgotten about me
20:48.43dTalclasses are over, exams are finished, I've been given no instructions
20:48.54dTalsurely I'm supposed to be writing my dissertation now?
20:50.08GodGinraidTal: they'll tell you last minute
20:50.15dTalbut they're just sending me loads of emails saying I have to register for graduation
20:50.19luke-jror buying XD
20:50.23GodGinraidTal: that's how universities work
20:51.20GodGinraidTal: they're going to tell you when you should be graduating that you were supposed to do a dissertation.  Then when you tell them that they never told you, they'll say that you should have known.
20:51.38GodGinraidTal: then they'll hold you back from graduating
20:51.46GodGinraidTal: because circumstances
20:52.03dTalthanks for the heads up
20:52.17dTalbut I mean surely I have a deadline to submit my proposal?
20:52.48GodGinraidTal: If I were you, I would contact the head of your department and ask about it.
20:52.49dTalI've already written one, for my "research methods" class, but I don't think that's official yet
20:53.00dTaland I want to do something different
20:53.17GodGinraidTal: the only way that you are going to keep yourself from getting screwed is to be proactive to prevent them from screwing you.
20:53.43luke-jrTotal preorders: 710 [497 mobile (70%); 12x 2GB (1%), 698x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 135, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 358} @ 2016-05-24 20:53:43 UTC
20:54.07GodGinraiMy college, for example, had me attend the graduation ceremony before I even knew if I would actually get a diploma.
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21:29.00WallyUniversities suck. I work for one 😌
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22:01.34Lightkey<pyra
22:01.34phanboetTotal preorders: 710 [497 mobile (70%); 12x 2GB (1%), 698x 4GB (98%)] {Stand2GB: 8, Stand4GB: 205, US2GB: 1, US4GB: 135, EU2GB: 3, EU4GB: 358}, 57 pre pre-orders left @ 2016-05-25 00:00:18 CEST - http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html
22:01.47Lightkeyfour..
22:08.23Wallyfive
22:08.25WallySIX
22:08.31WallySEVEN EIGHT
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22:17.04WallyBlueMaxima SHUTS THE GATE
22:20.03BlueMaximaWally BREAKS HIS DEVBOARD
22:22.26WallyNO
22:22.36BlueMaximaWally BUYS ME A PANDORA
22:23.00DocScrutinizer51fix your capslock keys
22:23.08WallyNO
22:23.14WallyAND NEVER
22:23.35DocScrutinizer51sooooo retro
22:24.23DocScrutinizer51real programers even *talk* in all uppercase
22:25.06DocScrutinizer51FORTRAN
22:25.06BlueMaximareal programmers talk in hex
22:25.12DocScrutinizer51COBOL
22:25.31DocScrutinizer51even BASIC
22:26.53DocScrutinizer51and of course SQL
22:28.14Wallyprogrammers probably have NFI how to talk in ehx
22:28.23BlueMaximagit gud
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22:49.35vifinoReal programmers write programs that talk for them.
22:59.14WallyI hope the Pyra's keyboard is more comfortable to type on
23:04.03BlueMaximaI hope your face is more...facelike
23:04.08WallyWOW
23:04.10Wallyracist.
23:04.16BlueMaximafaceist.
23:11.10WallyWOW
23:11.13WallyCRONK
23:25.49PangolinDone! Got my ESP8266 to periodically scrap http://p.rdw.se/pyra-preorder.html and display total number of sales, the number of sales left (using 900 as the milestone), and the last timestamp on its OLED screen.
23:30.36LightkeyPICS OR GTFO!
23:31.46PangolinI knew I shouldn't have mentioned it until I had pics...
23:32.56dTal900 seems pretty optimistic
23:33.20dTalyou should make it count to 720
23:33.26buZzPangolin: hehe i played with esp8266 aswell tonight
23:33.30buZzhttps://nurdspace.nl/File:Lora-nodes.png
23:34.23Lightkey*rubseyes* Lora-nudes.png?
23:35.00Lightkeyoh, that's some fine.. antennae
23:35.19buZzas soon as i get better antennas, these little nodes should be able to talk to each other over ~10km
23:35.51buZzon a single 18650 for about ~8 hours with no power savings and wifi active
23:37.01buZzat ~100 bits/second
23:37.02buZz:)
23:39.59dTalDoes Pyra's wifi chip support monitor mode?
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23:46.29PangolindTal: I've been researching that question. With stock firmware, there is no mention of monitor support.
23:47.11dTalboo
23:47.26buZzcould just add another wifi chip over usb
23:47.30PangolinI know. I'm dissapointed too.
23:48.29dTalThat's true. Not the end of the world.
23:48.55PangolindTal: There is hope. A company did create their own firmware that supported full monitor mode for the WiFi chip in question. So it is possible.
23:49.06dTalI'm curious if the wifi chip in the CX-10W mini quad, whatever it is, supports monitor also
23:50.33dTalbut it's hard enough to even find out what that is
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23:51.20buZzyeah i'd pay extra if chinese would stop sanding down the chip labels :P
23:52.24dTalnote to review sites: it's not a "teardown" if you don't actually open it up!
23:53.01buZzwhich review? :)
23:53.51dTalthe one you get if you google "cx-10w teardown" :p
23:54.08buZzdronegarageblog? :P
23:54.11dTalall they do is yep
23:54.20dTalall they do is sniff the wifi
23:54.41dTalunless of course the teardown is behind one of those youtube videos I'm not clicking on
23:54.52dTalif so I retract my comment
23:55.23dTalbut I was hoping to get a close enough look at the chip to read it, not likely on a video
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