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| 10:15.27 | systemdlete2 | libpcrecpp0v5 vs libpcrecpp0 ??? This causes an incompatibility for installing megacmd (and, yes, I want to install mega on my system, thank you) |
| 10:16.46 | systemdlete2 | megacmd depends on libpcrecpp0, not the "v5" version. Is there a way around this? |
| 10:19.00 | systemdlete2 | This is on ascii and it's a pretty new system build (about a month old) |
| 10:19.27 | systemdlete2 | tia |
| 10:27.55 | gnarface | they may not be able to coexist for all i know |
| 10:28.10 | systemdlete2 | headslaps himself |
| 10:28.20 | gnarface | if they're both in the repo, something else you have installed probably does depend on the v5 one |
| 10:28.35 | gnarface | if they're not both in the repo, just try to compile the regular non-v5 one yourself |
| 10:28.45 | systemdlete2 | nods |
| 10:28.50 | systemdlete2 | what I figured |
| 10:30.53 | systemdlete2 | apt-cache rdepends libpcrecpp0v5 shows me about a dozen packages |
| 10:31.39 | systemdlete2 | libpcrecpp0 is not in the repo, but is referred to by another (the v5 version) |
| 10:32.09 | systemdlete2 | I might be able to build it, but what if the generated binaries conflict with the v5 ones? |
| 10:32.34 | systemdlete2 | it almost sounds easier to uninstall all the rdepends and hope that I won't ever need any of them... |
| 10:34.42 | gnarface | well that's safer, if you don't actually need any of them |
| 10:35.12 | gnarface | but it should be pretty easy to check at least if the generated binaries collide with the paths and names of any of the others.... |
| 10:35.35 | gnarface | so if you package the build, in theory it wouldn't be a problem to just remove it again if it doesn't work |
| 10:37.24 | systemdlete2 | ehh, no. |
| 10:38.07 | systemdlete2 | I tried to remove libpcrecpp0v5 and it wants to remove a good chunk of mysql (which I DO need!) and a bunch of stuff for python (which I can personally live without, but maybe some tools can't) |
| 10:38.23 | systemdlete2 | and, btw |
| 10:38.44 | gnarface | the other option would be to rebuild megacmd instead |
| 10:38.52 | systemdlete2 | in that list it wants to remove, there's a ton of packages with "v5" appended... so this is a wide-spread problem. |
| 10:39.03 | systemdlete2 | Not sure if I can get megacmd source, but I'll look... |
| 10:39.20 | systemdlete2 | (and if I can, I agree that would be much easier!) |
| 10:40.07 | systemdlete2 | I am guessing that these v5 versions have something to do with debian's surgery to become a normal, healthy OS |
| 10:41.11 | systemdlete2 | source is available, and get this gnarface: It is open sourced! |
| 10:41.17 | systemdlete2 | on github no less |
| 10:41.48 | systemdlete2 | I am not particularly looking forward to maintaining a package myself, and I'll have to when they (Mega) make changes |
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| 10:42.02 | systemdlete2 | oh well. better than nothing. |
| 10:44.47 | gnarface | systemdlete2: try out checkinstall for making the package |
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| 10:47.24 | systemdlete2 | which package? I'm going to build megacmd myself |
| 10:48.14 | systemdlete2 | oh... |
| 10:48.17 | gnarface | there is a package called checkinstall that is for making packages from src you build yourself |
| 10:48.30 | systemdlete2 | I see that megacmd is in the repo -- I was not expecting that. |
| 10:48.38 | systemdlete2 | got it |
| 10:48.41 | gnarface | you hadn't checked first? |
| 10:48.51 | gnarface | well use that one then, you're making this WAY harder on yourself than it has to be |
| 10:49.22 | gnarface | always check the repo first, there's like 50k packages in there |
| 10:49.59 | gnarface | looks like it's up to 60k now actually... |
| 10:50.22 | gnarface | debian package selection is a big deal |
| 10:53.10 | systemdlete2 | I mean, I tried to install megacmd from the devuan/debian repos, it's there but it won't install due to the same problem with the perl library (libpcrecpp0v5) |
| 10:53.17 | systemdlete2 | sorry I was not clear. |
| 10:53.45 | gnarface | the one in the repo shouldn't be having dependency problems if it's ascii |
| 10:53.49 | systemdlete2 | Keep in mind I was more of a CentOS guy before coming to Devuan. |
| 10:54.28 | gnarface | ascii would only be having dependency problems if you had mixed in packages from somewhere else |
| 10:54.32 | systemdlete2 | well, maybe I wouldn't be if it weren't for all those "v5" deps for mysql |
| 10:54.48 | gnarface | did you get mysql from the repo or somewhere else? |
| 10:55.00 | systemdlete2 | Only mega... hmmm. I wonder if it might be that I downloaded megasync from mega.nz... |
| 10:57.55 | systemdlete2 | this is interesting. Only megacmd is in the devuan repo. megasync is not? |
| 10:58.53 | gnarface | could it be in non-free? |
| 10:58.56 | gnarface | or contrib? |
| 10:59.06 | gnarface | and maybe you don't have those included in your sources.list? |
| 10:59.16 | systemdlete2 | maybe I'm wrong about this... |
| 10:59.21 | systemdlete2 | (a bit confused atm...) |
| 11:00.00 | systemdlete2 | ok. here's what I am getting... |
| 11:00.08 | systemdlete2 | apt-get install megasync megacmd |
| 11:00.30 | systemdlete2 | it says megasync installs ok, but megacmd chokes on that perl lib |
| 11:00.45 | systemdlete2 | I mean, apt-get chokes on the dep |
| 11:01.01 | gnarface | and this is ascii, you said? or beowulf? |
| 11:01.53 | systemdlete2 | ascii, yes. So I removed both, just to be sure, and they both cannot be installed now. |
| 11:01.55 | systemdlete2 | ????? |
| 11:02.09 | systemdlete2 | Just a moment ago, I was able to run the same command and it worked |
| 11:02.20 | gnarface | well the origin of those v5 packages seems suspect |
| 11:02.21 | systemdlete2 | except it wouldn't install the 2nd package |
| 11:02.42 | gnarface | but what you would have to do, assuming the v5 packages were from a 3rd party repo and improper, would be to purge not only them but every package you got from this alleged other repo |
| 11:03.08 | gnarface | the other repo might have been ascii-backports or another version of devuan even. do you remember doing anything like that? maybe deb-multimedia? |
| 11:03.28 | systemdlete2 | http://paste.debian.net/1110857/ |
| 11:03.42 | systemdlete2 | (see, pls) |
| 11:04.12 | gnarface | no contrib or non-free |
| 11:04.31 | gnarface | us.deb.devuan.org had given me problems in the past |
| 11:04.35 | gnarface | otherwise it looks right |
| 11:04.49 | systemdlete2 | what kind of problems? |
| 11:05.16 | gnarface | us.deb.devuan.org should work but it had given me problems in the past, just not getting connections |
| 11:06.12 | systemdlete2 | I could change the repo and retry, but I just searched pkginfo.devuan.org and neither megasync nor megacmd are there |
| 11:06.29 | gnarface | you definitely must have got them from elsewhere then |
| 11:06.35 | gnarface | was this system an upgrade? |
| 11:06.40 | systemdlete2 | well, yes. I downloaded them from mega.nz |
| 11:06.45 | gnarface | oh, right you said that |
| 11:06.58 | systemdlete2 | this is a VM with a fresh ascii install |
| 11:07.07 | gnarface | well they don't seem to be for the right version of debian |
| 11:07.08 | systemdlete2 | about a month old, and I've barely done anything to it |
| 11:07.15 | gnarface | maybe they're for buster? |
| 11:07.29 | gnarface | or jessie? |
| 11:07.31 | gnarface | i'm not sure |
| 11:07.51 | systemdlete2 | when I search for "libpcrecpp0" at the pkginfo site, it gets one hit, for libpcrecpp0v5 |
| 11:08.02 | gnarface | apt-cache search would have shown them if they were locally installed, even if they were not in the repo |
| 11:08.20 | systemdlete2 | ^ that's prob what threw me |
| 11:08.35 | systemdlete2 | but it looks like the repos are holding those v5 versions for ascii |
| 11:09.40 | systemdlete2 | gnarface: I always look for the indigenous versions of packages before I go out hunting them down |
| 11:10.11 | systemdlete2 | As an old CentOS user, I never liked using "outside" repos b/c you could not always trust that they would be maintained |
| 11:10.28 | FleaFart | I am happy there is CodeLite in the Devuan 2-1 repo |
| 11:12.19 | gnarface | systemdlete2: so then the mega packages must be for jessie? |
| 11:14.16 | systemdlete2 | Well... idk. I downloaded debian 8 version -- that's ascii? |
| 11:14.38 | systemdlete2 | they also have 9, but I thought that would be beowulf |
| 11:14.57 | systemdlete2 | (or am I being a cementhead again?) |
| 11:15.14 | gnarface | wikipedia confirms debian 8 is jessie |
| 11:15.20 | gnarface | that's now older than oldstable |
| 11:15.31 | systemdlete2 | so I want debian 9? |
| 11:15.41 | gnarface | yea you want the debian9 one if that's an option |
| 11:15.49 | systemdlete2 | it is. they even have 10! |
| 11:16.00 | gnarface | 10 would be beowulf |
| 11:16.36 | systemdlete2 | right. |
| 11:16.49 | systemdlete2 | deserves a good headslap |
| 11:16.58 | systemdlete2 | sorry about all this confusion I created. |
| 11:17.12 | gnarface | no worries. sometimes it just takes another pair of eyes. |
| 11:17.20 | gnarface | gotta double check those version numbers |
| 11:17.22 | systemdlete2 | I hate it when I bug people for something I should have checked more carefuly first |
| 11:17.54 | systemdlete2 | You know the releases page on the website would be more helpful if, along with the debian release name, they gave the corresponding release number. |
| 11:18.49 | systemdlete2 | Again, I am NOT a longtime Debian sort of guy, who would know these things. |
| 11:19.20 | gnarface | even i had to search google to be sure |
| 11:19.27 | systemdlete2 | Some of us are Redhat/CentOS refugees fleeing from systemd oppression, seeking a new home in a land that is strange to us |
| 11:20.04 | systemdlete2 | the strangest part is the packaging system in this new country |
| 11:20.12 | gnarface | it is a bit weird, yea |
| 11:20.21 | systemdlete2 | apt-get for this, apt-cache for that, gdebi for yet this other thing |
| 11:20.45 | systemdlete2 | the system itself is fine, though. Very stable and no real issues. |
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| 11:26.34 | systemdlete2 | I knew that THIS must be the right version (9) because the downloader knew to try using the system installer. |
| 11:27.07 | systemdlete2 | nvm. it did that for 8 also, I just checked. |
| 11:27.10 | systemdlete2 | time to rest |
| 11:27.17 | systemdlete2 | thanks gnarface, once again |
| 11:27.21 | gnarface | np |
| 11:27.25 | systemdlete2 | night |
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| 11:33.28 | FleaFart | I am in the Synaptic Package manager (because I don't know the stuff above that you all do) I am trying to avoid conflicting apts .. question: do I choose Kdevelop or kdevelop-dev ... my guess is kdevelop-dev |
| 11:34.41 | gnarface | FleaFart: kdevelop-dev is probably just for building stuff |
| 11:35.04 | gnarface | the "*-dev" packages are all build-time dependencies |
| 11:35.22 | gnarface | (unlike redhat/centos, those are in separate packages) |
| 11:35.24 | FleaFart | that helps |
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| 15:06.58 | xormar | hi all |
| 15:07.21 | xormar | does anybody know if chromium is supposed to be working in beowulf? |
| 15:07.37 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.15 | xormar | i'm getting errors (different ones, depending on cli flags) and then Received signal 11 SEGV_MAPERR 000000000000 |
| 15:11.45 | fsmithred | xormar, what version of chromium do you have? |
| 15:12.45 | xormar | 76.0.3809.100-1~deb10u1 |
| 15:12.58 | fsmithred | ok, good. That's the one in beowulf-security |
| 15:13.05 | fsmithred | I'll install and try it |
| 15:13.17 | xormar | thx |
| 15:14.50 | fsmithred | nothing happens from menu |
| 15:15.12 | fsmithred | in terminal I get a message that I need to install chromium-sandbox or run it with --no-sandbox |
| 15:15.46 | xormar | fsmithred: yes, did that, but didn't change anything for me (except for the error message) |
| 15:16.06 | fsmithred | it works here |
| 15:16.17 | xormar | :-( |
| 15:16.33 | fsmithred | what else you have installed? |
| 15:16.38 | fsmithred | short version, please |
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| 15:17.27 | fsmithred | did you start with a minimal install and add stuff, or did you start with a desktop install? |
| 15:18.19 | xormar | fsmithred: afair it was a desktop install of ascii, then dist-upgraded to beowulf |
| 15:18.28 | fsmithred | brb, need coffee |
| 15:18.39 | fsmithred | ok, and you've upgraded recently? |
| 15:18.53 | xormar | fsmithred: to beowulf? |
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| 15:19.53 | xormar | fsmithred: upgraded to beowulf right after installing, because I wanted to track buster rather than stretch |
| 15:19.57 | fsmithred | recently = today or yesterday, possibly the day before |
| 15:20.28 | fsmithred | google for the error message. I'll be back with more caffeine. |
| 15:20.37 | xormar | fsmithred: to beowulf some weeks ago, but i apt upgrade regularly, also today |
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| 15:25.39 | xormar | fsmithred: already done that. nothing conclusive. most hints are to gpu-related problems |
| 15:26.22 | xormar | fsmithred: but --disable-gpu gives [1026/172509.376644:ERROR:gpu_channel_manager.cc(398)] ContextResult::kFatalFailure: Failed to create shared context for virtualization. |
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| 15:27.10 | xormar | fsmithred: also downgraded to 73.0.3683.75-1, but to no avail |
| 15:30.25 | xormar | the chromium window opens, but no action/click/menu does anything |
| 15:31.18 | xormar | just noticed these befor the signal 11: |
| 15:31.18 | xormar | [18654:18654:1026/172913.639328:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(369)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process. |
| 15:31.19 | xormar | [18654:18654:1026/172913.769049:ERROR:buffer_manager.cc(488)] [.DisplayCompositor]GL ERROR :GL_INVALID_OPERATION : glBufferData: <- error from previous GL command |
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| 15:38.12 | fsmithred | you're running this in a VM? How much ram did you give it? |
| 15:39.51 | xormar | fsmithred: nope, I'm on bare metal. dell precision, 16 G ram |
| 15:40.21 | fsmithred | that should be enough for any browser |
| 15:40.46 | xormar | it runs fine on the same box under debian and gentoo |
| 15:42.15 | fsmithred | maybe compare package lists to see if something is missing |
| 15:44.22 | xormar | ok, i'll keep looking. thanks! |
| 15:44.39 | fsmithred | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57615354/how-to-fix-errorbuffer-manager-cc488-displaycompositorgl-error-gl-inval |
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| 16:30.03 | avbox | falkon would be a very cool piece of software, a very fast qt based webbrowser. Unfortunately when I install, dbus after it is broken. I found at that there is systemd in /var/run. Two question: a) Did someone else had this issue? b) How to send a bug report to the maintainer of the package maintainer? |
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| 16:42.09 | MinceR | dbugs was always broken :> |
| 16:46.39 | avbox | MinceR: Bevore installing falkon, I had no problems. |
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| 16:49.27 | fsmithred | I have /var/run/systemd/ also. It might be there for policykit. |
| 16:49.50 | fsmithred | how do you know dbus is broken? error message? |
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| 17:08.18 | avbox | fsmithred: Good question, I think I got an error message. But I removed it already. Give me some time, and I will try to install it again and give a better error description. |
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| 17:16.18 | xormar | fsmithred: re. thanks for the link, but unfortunately same error even after turning off GLX |
| 17:17.16 | xormar | [8511:8511:1026/191421.609539:ERROR:gl_surface_glx.cc(425)] glxQueryVersion failed |
| 17:17.17 | xormar | [8511:8511:1026/191421.609585:ERROR:gl_initializer_x11.cc(147)] GLSurfaceGLX::InitializeOneOff failed. |
| 17:17.17 | xormar | [8511:8511:1026/191421.611287:ERROR:viz_main_impl.cc(170)] Exiting GPU process due to errors during initialization |
| 17:17.17 | xormar | [8545:8545:1026/191421.714106:ERROR:gpu_channel_manager.cc(398)] ContextResult::kFatalFailure: Failed to create shared context for virtualization. |
| 17:17.17 | xormar | Received signal 11 SEGV_MAPERR 000000000000 |
| 17:18.23 | xormar | whenever the gpu process fails, the "kFatalFailure: Failed to create shared context for virtualization." msg appears. but with or without that msg, the signal 11 always happens |
| 17:18.31 | xormar | must be something else |
| 17:18.48 | xormar | will try in a vm with a fresh install |
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| 17:52.51 | eyalroz | What's the package name for the linux kernel sources? I can't seem to find it. (I'm on beowulf.) |
| 17:55.48 | fsmithred | eyalroz, you might just need linux-header-`uname -r` |
| 17:55.53 | fsmithred | sorry... |
| 17:56.00 | fsmithred | linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:56.02 | fsmithred | plural |
| 17:56.05 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Nope, I want to look at the sources. |
| 17:56.28 | fsmithred | linux-source |
| 17:56.43 | eyalroz | fsmithred: |
| 17:56.43 | eyalroz | linux-source - Linux kernel source (meta-package) |
| 17:56.43 | eyalroz | linux-source-4.19 - Linux kernel source for version 4.19 with Debian patches |
| 17:56.51 | fsmithred | that's a metapackage and should give you the latest kernel for your suite |
| 17:56.57 | eyalroz | ... while I'm running 5.2.0-3 ... |
| 17:57.16 | eyalroz | the meta-package only offers me 4.19 |
| 17:57.39 | eyalroz | ... which is why I thought I must be getting the package name wrong somehow. |
| 17:57.46 | fsmithred | linux-source-5.2 is in ceres |
| 17:58.09 | eyalroz | and it's not in beowulf because... ? |
| 17:58.47 | fsmithred | because 5.2 is not in beowulf |
| 17:59.02 | fsmithred | 4.19 is the kernel version for buster/beowulf |
| 17:59.10 | fsmithred | and won't change |
| 17:59.28 | fsmithred | you might find 5.2 in backports |
| 17:59.37 | fsmithred | but I don't think we have beowulf-backports yet |
| 17:59.50 | fsmithred | so you'd have to look in buster-backports |
| 18:00.01 | fsmithred | carefully |
| 18:04.42 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Ah... yes, I may have backports enabled. |
| 18:04.55 | eyalroz | But then, if the kernel package is backported, why not the source package? |
| 18:05.43 | eyalroz | mmm... no backports |
| 18:08.33 | eyalroz | fsmithred: These are my sources, obtained via: cd /etc/apt; grep deb $(find . -name "*.list") | egrep -v "# ?deb" |
| 18:08.41 | eyalroz | https://pastebin.com/wuMPKwkn |
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| 18:25.18 | fsmithred | wow |
| 18:25.52 | fsmithred | eyalroz, run 'apt-cache search linux-image-5.2' and see if anything comes up |
| 18:26.45 | fsmithred | and/or 'apt-cache policy linux-image-5.2.(full version) |
| 18:26.56 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Of course things come up; two things, actually: 5.2.0-2-amd64 and 5.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 18:27.05 | fsmithred | the last will show you where it came from |
| 18:27.50 | eyalroz | https://pastebin.com/sXq4N08c |
| 18:28.00 | TwistedFate | aww dota 2 has a glados announcer |
| 18:28.06 | TwistedFate | oops wrong chat |
| 18:29.00 | fsmithred | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:29.22 | fsmithred | ^^^ That means it came from someplace other than one of your enabled repos |
| 18:30.05 | fsmithred | my guess is you added ceres to get it and then removed ceres. And you might have done that on my suggestion, because I ran the same kernel in beowulf for a couple months. |
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| 18:31.36 | fsmithred | I hope you have all those extra repos pinned to a low priority so they don't sneak packages in that will mess up your system |
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| 19:35.31 | eyalroz | fsmithred: I haven't pinned them to a specific priority, no... |
| 19:36.18 | eyalroz | and indeed, I had ceres enabled, and commented-out, probably on your suggestion or that of someone on this channel :-P |
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| 21:09.42 | jordila | is reading about migrating from Debian Buster --> Devuan Beowulf ? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15566 |
| 21:09.57 | tuxd3v | hello guys o/ |
| 21:11.57 | tuxd3v | what is the chanel for devuan arm devices on freenode? |
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| 21:12.58 | gnarface | tuxd3v: #devuan-arm |
| 21:13.58 | tuxd3v | thanks gnarface |
| 21:14.10 | tuxd3v | it gave me a strange message before.. |
| 21:14.11 | tuxd3v | #devuan-arm :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration |
| 21:14.17 | tuxd3v | vut now Im in |
| 21:14.18 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 21:14.24 | tuxd3v | vut -> but |
| 21:18.16 | gnarface | tuxd3v: you need to be registered with NickServ and logged in |
| 21:18.31 | gnarface | tuxd3v: (it is to combat spam and abuse) |
| 21:18.47 | tuxd3v | I believe you |
| 21:19.01 | tuxd3v | now I have entered nicelly ;) |
| 21:19.03 | tuxd3v | thanks |
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| 21:27.05 | gnarface | np |
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| 23:06.36 | rrq | ta |
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| 23:56.19 | caedes | Hi! What's the state of Devuan Beowulf? Do install images exist already? Where can I get them? Couldn't find anythong on files.devuan.org or the mirrors |
| 23:57.08 | buZz | there's no install images yet |
| 23:57.20 | buZz | also hi caedes :) |
| 23:57.39 | caedes | so the way to use it is to install ascii, edit sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 23:58.19 | buZz | yeah |
| 23:58.22 | caedes | how stable is it? does it make sense to use it on a productive but not super important system that I would prefer not to reinstall in the foreseeable future? |
| 23:58.30 | tuxd3v | buZz: you mean 'ceres' ?? |
| 23:58.54 | tuxd3v | ho...forgot |
| 23:59.10 | tuxd3v | shame on my eyes... lol |
| 23:59.18 | buZz | its pretty much stable |
| 23:59.30 | buZz | some package issues still |
| 23:59.41 | buZz | but nothing big |