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| 01:20.39 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 01:39.12 | sokan | journal is not part of init right? (I still haven't exactly figured out what journal is. system-wide debugger that none understands? :S) |
| 01:41.58 | blinkdog | Are you talking about systemd-journald ? |
| 01:46.43 | sokan | blinkdog, yeah. that's the one |
| 01:47.35 | blinkdog | Well, it's part of systemd, so not a part of Devuan or Devuan's init |
| 01:50.29 | blinkdog | It seems it was intended as a replacement for logging (usually unix logs via syslog) |
| 01:52.12 | blinkdog | The three use cases seem to be (1) allowing applications to send structured or binary data to the log along with their message, (2) allowing log messages to be tagged per application, and (3) allowing logging to be centralized in a remote DB |
| 01:54.23 | LeoTh3o | 3 was already doable with external programs, 2 was achieved by having multiple files under /var/log |
| 01:55.32 | blinkdog | Right. I think those are legitimate use cases, but journald is far from an ideal implementation. |
| 01:56.49 | fugitive_ | agree |
| 01:56.51 | blinkdog | One big drawback being a binary log format with a single vendor providing tools that can read it |
| 02:00.46 | LeoTh3o | It'd also be nice not have to fiddle with a tool and have logs readable on disk when something goes wrong |
| 02:03.25 | blinkdog | Another drawback is that deleting specific log messages isn't directly supported, and requires hacky scripting. That could get nasty if you run an eCommerce company and your web logs are mixed with an application that accidentally logged credit card numbers in cleartext or as part of a binary payload. |
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| 06:57.14 | hannes1 | is there an issue with 'apt-file (1)' under jessie? |
| 06:58.11 | hannes1 | even after 'apt-file purge && apt-file update' every apt-file find "foobar" tells me 'cache is empty' |
| 06:58.28 | hannes1 | apt-file update gives: Ignoring source without Contents File: |
| 06:58.37 | hannes1 | for all my sources |
| 06:59.27 | hannes1 | so it seems like devuan's sources are missing content files |
| 07:16.02 | debdog | I know there were problems with apt-file but thought they were sorted out. mayhap they came back :( |
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| 07:36.36 | hannes1 | i just wonder whether i should simply c&p ~/.cache/apt-file from a debian jessie ;) |
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| 08:05.12 | golinux | hannes1: apt-file is enabled on pkgmaster.devuan.org |
| 08:05.23 | golinux | Your solution would also work. |
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| 08:09.53 | hannes1 | i have 'http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/...' <- that's default, isn't it? |
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| 08:48.17 | nepugia | default for jessie i think |
| 08:48.23 | nepugia | or one of two option? |
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| 09:48.19 | maurizio1 | good morning,I have a question: On my laptop with Devuan I am unable to hear any sound. This happened without anything done by me. I tried even to start a live cd with Archbang, but still I couldn't get any sound. D Shall I conclude that it's an hardware proble? |
| 09:48.37 | maurizio1 | ...problem.. |
| 09:56.11 | debdog | maurizio1: run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh let it upload its findings and paste the link here |
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| 10:32.16 | maurizio1 | Hi debdog, I downloaded the .sh file,I made it executable with chmod +x, and then I run it with ./ alsa-info_alsainfo.sh but it says './ is a directory' where am I doing wrong? |
| 10:32.31 | Wonka | maurizio1: remove the space after ./ |
| 10:33.19 | maurizio1 | here is the link: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a7c7bd440b0f0487eb668c5e1d828ab229b035b5 |
| 10:33.42 | Wonka | also, have you ever used for example alsamixer to verify volume is turned up high enough and there's nothing relevant muted? |
| 10:34.00 | maurizio1 | yes, I did. the volume is on and noot muted |
| 10:35.30 | Wonka | mh. that would have been too easy ;) |
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| 10:39.22 | debdog | maurizio1: ok, going through the output now. this may take some time... |
| 10:44.49 | debdog | ok, no clue what the ThinkPadEC is supposed to do. |
| 10:45.27 | debdog | maurizio1: first try: run alsamixer, press F6 and select said device |
| 10:45.37 | debdog | then unmute it and crank it up |
| 10:45.56 | debdog | then, test sound again. if it doesn't work do... |
| 10:48.26 | debdog | aplay -Dplughw:0,0 file.wav |
| 10:48.33 | debdog | and |
| 10:48.38 | debdog | aplay -Dplughw:0,1 file.wav |
| 10:48.59 | debdog | to see whether one of them plays audio |
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| 10:49.13 | debdog | file.wav actually should be a wav-file |
| 10:49.56 | debdog | if you don't have one: http://beggabaur.rocks/daten/stihl_ms1.wav |
| 10:52.37 | debdog | if neither of aplay commands do not produce noise, paste the exact output |
| 10:52.58 | debdog | ideally run them like "LANG=C aplay -Dplughw:0,0 file.wav" |
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| 11:16.18 | debdog | maurizio1: I'll be afk for a couple of hours. you can try in #alsa on this network, too. mayhap someone there even has experience with that ThinkPad device. report your findings so far and the link as well of course. some people there like the output of "aplay -L" , too. |
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| 13:57.36 | maurizio1 | yes, I did. the volume is on and noot muted |
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| 14:22.03 | fsmithred | maurizio1, how many sound cards show up with 'aplay -l' and which one is first? |
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| 14:32.37 | maurizio1 | Hi fsmithread, I have been out of the pc. it's the same card, listed twice. once as device 0 and ince as device 1 |
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| 14:36.00 | fsmithred | sometimes you need to reverse the order of the cards |
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| 14:44.38 | fsmithred | maurizio1, maybe this will help: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=27 |
| 14:44.57 | debdog | oy! |
| 14:45.12 | debdog | there is only one audio card but there are two mixer devices |
| 14:45.25 | debdog | never saw this configuration before |
| 14:45.52 | debdog | but as long as we don't have an answer to the two aplay commands, it's pointless |
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| 14:47.40 | debdog | have a look at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a7c7bd440b0f0487eb668c5e1d828ab229b035b5 , see topic "ALSA Device nodes" |
| 14:53.38 | fsmithred | hi debdog |
| 14:53.45 | fsmithred | alsa can be so annoying at times |
| 14:53.56 | fsmithred | anyway, I have to go. Good luck, maurizio1 |
| 14:53.59 | fsmithred | bbl |
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| 14:59.21 | maurizio1 | thanks fsmithread |
| 15:01.29 | maurizio1 | I'll be away from the pc for a bit |
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| 15:31.29 | quad | The installer for devuan has a bug whrere it always assumes the gateway is the DNS server if it's being set up with DHCP available. Not sure if this is a Devuan bug or something upstream from Debian, since it's been ages since I installed debian |
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| 15:32.05 | quad | My DHCP returns gateway as 192.168.0.1. But DNS is 192.168.0.240,192.168.0.241 and 192.168.0.242. |
| 15:32.11 | KatolaZ | quad: the installer is mostly unmodified from debian |
| 15:32.36 | quad | The netinstaller just failed contacting all the repos until I added a DNS forwarder on my OPNsense router that forwarded to the 240-242 boxes |
| 15:33.00 | quad | KatolaZ, Ah I see. Probably a Debian issue then. |
| 15:33.06 | KatolaZ | quad: you could also config the network manually.... |
| 15:34.03 | quad | KatolaZ, ye but I was deploying 6 machines so that would've been more of a pain in the ass than to just make my router forward requests to make the setup work |
| 15:34.27 | KatolaZ | I see |
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| 17:21.14 | sokan | blinkdog, thanks for the input :) I didn't know these things. The idea was nice as it seems, but as you said, the implementation is kinda dangerous... |
| 17:38.29 | specing | Hello |
| 17:39.14 | specing | does devuan do any hardening? grsec, selinux, apparmor, toolchain hardening with ssp and others? |
| 17:41.38 | KatolaZ | specing: heads is a devuan derivative focused on privary that also does some hardening |
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| 18:12.23 | nemo | KatolaZ: huh. I thought debian had some hardening by default |
| 18:12.25 | nemo | apparmor for one |
| 18:13.02 | nemo | hm. wiki suggests it has to be installed |
| 18:13.20 | nemo | https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse#Enable_AppArmor |
| 18:13.23 | nemo | but does come preconfigured at least |
| 18:13.27 | nemo | so that's relatively painless |
| 18:15.20 | specing | I like grsec, but I find that even on distros that supposedly support it (Gentoo), the "support" means whitelisting problematic programs |
| 18:15.57 | specing | which is obviously not support in any true sense of the word |
| 18:24.35 | nemo | specing: I guess one could say devuan does some hardening by removing systemd ð |
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| 18:32.00 | KatolaZ | nemo: only in ascii afaik |
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| 18:34.16 | nemo | KatolaZ: I assume that was WRT apparmor and not systemd ð |
| 18:35.24 | specing | I'm lately quite impressed with selinux |
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| 18:59.32 | KatolaZ | yes nemo :) |
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| 19:37.10 | fugitive | specing: alpine does support it |
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| 19:45.38 | specing | I know, but I was told only the extra courageus do alpine desktops |
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| 20:38.32 | Lydia_K | too legit to quit. |
| 20:40.29 | unixman | :) |
| 20:57.36 | Uberius | reboot |
| 20:58.18 | unixman | refuses to reboot |
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