| 00:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search fstrim? |
| 00:05.44 | fsmithred | I've got fstrim here in jessie. 'fstrim -V' says fstrim from util-linux 2.25.2 |
| 00:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess /usr/sbin= are you root? |
| 00:07.11 | fsmithred | check /sbin/fstrim |
| 00:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep /sbin/fstrim |
| 00:07.27 | Xenguy | which /sbin/fstrim |
| 00:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the one in /sbin/ ;-P |
| 00:07.56 | Xenguy | haha |
| 00:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Striktarn: check `file /sbin/fstrim` and your PATH |
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| 00:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you're root |
| 00:10.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, debian/devuan. So sudo, right? |
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| 00:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, right, in debian style systems even normal user has (8) programs in their PATH and can invoke them without sudo as long as no toot permissions needed |
| 00:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | root* |
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| 00:19.19 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 00:19.22 | Striktarn | DocScrutinizer05: ahh of course.. Thanks, now it worked. |
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| 00:27.34 | metax | i think since it's a GNU open source distro it should ask whether a user wants non-free in a regular install too |
| 00:28.31 | metax | not everyone would like to have non-free in sources.list by default i guess |
| 00:30.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | wgeb you don't want that and you know why, I'd think you may qualify as "expert" |
| 00:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | when* |
| 00:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | even if you don't know about it during install, I think there's even a command to get rid of non-free any time later on |
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| 00:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | when those who absolutely don't want that in default (with enough opt-out and roll-back options) are doing *all* the support for all those who come asking "why does my install not work? My WLAN fails to connect on this laptop", then... |
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| 01:01.41 | Xenguy | metax: it's configurable, and that is the most important thing for me. Users can decide for themselves what they want/need |
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| 07:36.19 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I thought most modern distros "detect" a SSD and enable a weekly cron for fstrim? |
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| 07:40.12 | gnarface | i don't think it's needed anymore |
| 07:40.40 | gnarface | might be wrong |
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| 07:44.54 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I have heard people say the wear levelling on SSD's is so good now that you don't need to bother. But every little helps. |
| 07:45.52 | gnarface | well it depends on the hardware |
| 07:46.10 | gnarface | it also depends on the filesystem |
| 07:46.56 | parazyd | you actually achieve this by appending 'discard' to the mountopts in fstab |
| 07:48.10 | gnarface | some people like to increase the commit interval too |
| 07:48.31 | gnarface | kinda depends on what you're doing with it i guess |
| 07:50.22 | gnarface | the system i think can safely tolerate higher commit intervals if there's not as much throughput |
| 07:52.48 | gnarface | ext4 supports discard, i'm not sure if everything does |
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| 07:54.04 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I believed it was better to do periodic trim over continuous trim. |
| 07:56.07 | gnarface | i was under the impression it simply wasn't supported by older hardware |
| 07:58.04 | gnarface | oh wait |
| 07:58.15 | gnarface | so i'm seeing on the arch wiki some interesting info |
| 07:58.30 | gnarface | apparently also there's a performance hit for continuous trim before SATA 3.1 |
| 07:58.43 | gnarface | maybe that's what you're thinking about |
| 08:00.29 | gnarface | they do link also to a post from one of the ext developers recommending against it in general |
| 08:00.50 | gnarface | but i've heard from other sources that it's mostly an obsolete concern on modern hardware |
| 08:01.28 | gnarface | there does however appear to be ample opportunity for a modern device with a crappy bios to implement trim badly |
| 08:02.46 | gnarface | i guess the smartest thing to do is to check the SSD against lists of known misbehaved models |
| 08:03.22 | sixwheeledbeast^ | If you add the discard option to something that doesn't support trim it can cause corruption. Whereas periodic fstrim will only enable it for drives suitable and not blacklisted. |
| 08:04.59 | gnarface | yea, but you can easily check if the drive supports it |
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| 14:01.51 | JTechno | is there any documentation on how to cross compile for the raspberry pi? |
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| 16:52.06 | buZz | https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577 waw |
| 16:53.02 | buZz | JTechno: sure, there is a libdevuansdk , iirc |
| 16:53.59 | buZz | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-sdk <-- i ment this |
| 16:55.07 | KatolaZ | buZz: that's a bit outdated |
| 16:55.12 | KatolaZ | most of the development has happened on libdevuansdk |
| 16:55.16 | KatolaZ | live-sdk |
| 16:55.18 | KatolaZ | and arm-sdk |
| 16:55.50 | buZz | ah |
| 16:56.05 | buZz | i'm not finding what link to give to JTechno for crosscompilation on raspi |
| 16:56.19 | buZz | KatolaZ: do you know? |
| 16:58.40 | KatolaZ | I gave them one already |
| 16:58.43 | KatolaZ | somewhere |
| 16:58.44 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 16:58.53 | KatolaZ | http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ |
| 16:59.19 | KatolaZ | and parazyd suggested also https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/blob/master/doc/crosstool-ng.md |
| 16:59.49 | KatolaZ | in a word: crosstool-ng is the word to google for ;) |
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| 17:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | !crosscompile is http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ |
| 17:12.11 | infobot | ...but crosscompile is already something else... |
| 17:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | !literal crosscompile |
| 17:12.30 | infobot | "crosscompile" is "<REPLY> see at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains" |
| 17:12.33 | timeless | hi DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:12.59 | timeless | has reached lxc networking hell |
| 17:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan crosscompile is http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ |
| 17:12.59 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 17:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi timeless |
| 17:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | !crosscompile |
| 17:14.01 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, crosscompile is http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ |
| 17:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan crosscompile is also https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/blob/master/doc/crosstool-ng.md |
| 17:15.10 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
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| 17:26.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | "lxc networking hell" sounds like The Real Fun |
| 17:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: you're not there yet, you still can reach freenode IRC ;-) |
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| 17:28.43 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: i have a couple of lxc instances that were using virbr0 |
| 17:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, what else? |
| 17:29.01 | timeless | they've rebooted, and now i only have a br1 |
| 17:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 17:29.12 | timeless | actually, no |
| 17:29.18 | timeless | that would be too simple |
| 17:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's move it to #maemo, zero OT policy in here ;-) |
| 17:34.18 | metaxy | br0 or not a br0 |
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| 19:20.41 | tombull | Hello! |
| 19:21.24 | tombull | Two questions: How do I fix my resolution (curr 1024x768 needs to be 1366x768), and what's the easiest/fastest way to hook up to a vpn? |
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| 19:23.51 | greenjeans | hi tombull, what set-up are you running? Default Devuan XFCE? |
| 19:24.27 | tombull | greenjeans, No I'm using MATE. |
| 19:25.00 | tombull | Under Monitors it's only giving me 1024 and 800x600 |
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| 19:26.41 | greenjeans | Laptop? |
| 19:26.44 | golinux | Try lxrandr |
| 19:26.54 | greenjeans | opensource drivers? |
| 19:26.57 | tombull | yeah, it's a laptop. |
| 19:27.04 | tombull | stock fresh devuan install, so... |
| 19:27.05 | tombull | probably. |
| 19:27.52 | tombull | installing lxrandr now. |
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| 19:28.31 | greenjeans | don't think lxrandr is going to help in mate but i could be wrong |
| 19:28.39 | tombull | lol. |
| 19:28.42 | fsmithred | edit /usr/share/applications/lxrandr.desktop to comment out the line that says Do_not_show |
| 19:28.58 | fsmithred | so that it shows up in the apps menu |
| 19:29.01 | tombull | It showed the proper resolution, but did not change me to that resolution |
| 19:29.03 | greenjeans | you can use just xrandr in terminal |
| 19:29.36 | greenjeans | it will tell you if you're maxed out on resolution using the current drivers |
| 19:29.42 | fsmithred | if you hook up an external monitor, lxrandr is very friendly |
| 19:30.21 | tombull | Do I need to reboot or something? |
| 19:30.26 | fsmithred | 'lspci -k' to see video chipset and the driver it's using |
| 19:30.27 | tombull | I've added the proper mode to xrandr, but it's not showing up in monitors. |
| 19:31.05 | tombull | radeon hd6320 |
| 19:31.06 | greenjeans | so under Mate menu, System>>Preferences>>Monitors it's not offering you the higher res? |
| 19:31.14 | tombull | Correct. |
| 19:31.36 | tombull | Maybe I missed one command.... |
| 19:31.36 | greenjeans | may be all the open source drivers can do with that chip |
| 19:32.08 | greenjeans | I usually have to use FGLRX on my amd APU lappy's |
| 19:32.15 | greenjeans | to get good resolution |
| 19:32.45 | tombull | goes to install fglrx |
| 19:32.45 | greenjeans | be careful doing that! |
| 19:32.55 | tombull | Not in synaptic. |
| 19:33.04 | greenjeans | easy to screw up installing proprietary video drivers |
| 19:33.25 | tombull | Yep. Kinda familiar. Would rather avoid anyway. |
| 19:33.53 | fsmithred | aren't there two free amd drivers? |
| 19:35.07 | tombull | https://superuser.com/questions/716795/how-to-adjust-the-screen-resolution-in-debian |
| 19:36.08 | tombull | Tried to follow that, but it says VGA1 not found; ignoring |
| 19:36.08 | tombull | So what's the easiest way to hook up to a vpn? |
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| 19:36.08 | greenjeans | current opensource radeon drivers however do really well on my lappys, they drop a lot of frames trying to watch a DVD but otherwise work good |
| 19:36.10 | tombull | greenjeans, what package is that? |
| 19:36.14 | tombull | is it in synaptic? |
| 19:37.39 | greenjeans | https://www.blackmoreops.com/2014/08/26/install-amd-ati-proprietary-fglrx-driver-solydxk-linux/ |
| 19:37.49 | fsmithred | VGA1 would be the display name. What does xrandr call your display? Might be a different name (like 'default') |
| 19:37.51 | greenjeans | excellent guide for installing the amd drivers |
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| 19:38.52 | tombull | fsmithred, It IS default. Duh |
| 19:39.13 | greenjeans | what model of laptop tombull? The radeon drivers in xorg will run my lappy at 1366x768 |
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| 19:41.19 | fsmithred | only thing I know about vpn is that network-manager was devuanized so people could use it for that. |
| 19:41.26 | fsmithred | the version in jessie |
| 19:41.39 | tombull | It's an acer aspire. Total piece of junk. |
| 19:41.52 | tombull | fsmithred, thanks will install |
| 19:42.35 | tombull | Man, feels like I was close on xrandr.... |
| 19:42.47 | tombull | I now have a mode with a typo in it. LOL duh. |
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| 19:47.37 | VPNlovin | Hey, this is TomBull. Installing network-manager killed my other ocnnection.. LOL |
| 19:48.00 | greenjeans | lol |
| 19:48.42 | VPNlovin | And I can't find how to start it. :/ |
| 19:48.54 | fsmithred | is wicd still installed? |
| 19:49.36 | VPNlovin | Yeah, do I need to uninstall that? |
| 19:49.44 | fsmithred | yes. It's bad to have two network managers running. |
| 19:50.28 | VPNlovin | Figured that might be an issue. |
| 19:50.35 | VPNlovin | So how do I start network-manager? |
| 19:51.12 | fsmithred | should be in the apps menu |
| 19:51.30 | fsmithred | and it probably runs from something in /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:52.09 | VPNlovin | goes to look |
| 19:52.40 | VPNlovin | it's just right in /etc. |
| 19:52.58 | VPNlovin | when I run it it says is already running. So I Guess I just need the icon. |
| 19:53.24 | fsmithred | service network-manager status|start|stop|restart |
| 19:53.35 | fsmithred | assuming it's called 'network-manager' |
| 19:53.43 | fsmithred | been almost 10 years since I've used it |
| 19:54.39 | VPNlovin | Yep, says it's running... but I can't find an icon to get on wifi/vpn. |
| 19:55.00 | fsmithred | something in apps menu maybe? |
| 19:55.24 | VPNlovin | Nothing in there. |
| 19:56.15 | fsmithred | maybe you need network-manager-gnome also. |
| 19:56.27 | fsmithred | it's billed as a gnome frontend |
| 19:57.03 | VPNlovin | Well... How am I gonna get that without a net connection? Guess I could plug it in and see if magic happens. |
| 19:57.05 | VPNlovin | :) |
| 19:57.40 | fsmithred | that should work |
| 19:58.13 | fsmithred | there might also be a command-line interface for nm |
| 19:59.30 | VPNlovin | The cable worked! *phew* |
| 19:59.31 | VPNlovin | :D |
| 19:59.56 | fsmithred | wire is good |
| 20:01.25 | fsmithred | brb |
| 20:03.22 | VPNlovin | OK, got wi-fi back... :D |
| 20:03.28 | VPNlovin | Now I'm missing a vpn plugin? |
| 20:06.57 | fsmithred | maybe network-manager-vpnc and the same with -gnome |
| 20:07.19 | fsmithred | apt-cache search network-manager will show you all the plugins |
| 20:09.53 | VPNlovin | Yep, digging around now. |
| 20:10.11 | VPNlovin | found pptp, which is what I actually need, but that didn't give me the option in the menu.... Trying some more now. |
| 20:13.10 | VPNlovin | So, that gave me a VPN option, but not the pptp one I need... Still hunting... |
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| 20:14.34 | VPNlovin | I think maybe openvpn is what I needed. Trying now... |
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| 20:17.23 | VPNlovin | No, it won't let me click Save. Hrrmm |
| 20:17.36 | VPNlovin | stuuuuuupesss. |
| 20:17.49 | VPNlovin | I needed the pptp plugin-gnome. |
| 20:17.50 | VPNlovin | DUH |
| 20:21.34 | fsmithred | gotta go move some rocks. bbl. |
| 20:21.34 | VPNlovin | Hrrmmm So now i have the connection there, it's all setup, how do I click connect? LOL |
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| 20:28.11 | timeless | hi. i'm trying to convert a debian lxc to devuan |
| 20:28.18 | *** join/#devuan tombull (~tom@96-41-164-160.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) |
| 20:28.24 | timeless | (debian seems to have ended up w/ systemd, and my lxc host isn't compatible w/ systemd) |
| 20:28.38 | timeless | nginx failed to migrate https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/SnkPUYTz/ |
| 20:30.18 | timeless | (i guess i need to disable packages.dotdeb.org) |
| 20:30.18 | VPNlovin | Figured it out.... |
| 20:30.18 | VPNlovin | I need to run nm-applet |
| 20:30.18 | VPNlovin | Now to add that to startup... |
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| 20:38.52 | tombull | BOOM! |
| 20:38.52 | tombull | Got it all configured. |
| 20:38.52 | tombull | Feels good. |
| 20:38.52 | tombull | :) |
| 20:39.01 | tombull | VPNlovin, Love you bro. |
| 20:39.07 | tombull | lol |
| 20:39.22 | tombull | fsmithred, thanks! |
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| 20:41.41 | VPNlovin | :| |
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| 20:55.28 | VPNlovin | OK, last chunk.... |
| 20:55.39 | VPNlovin | How do I stop wicd from starting IT'S applet? |
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| 20:58.41 | Schallaven | hello people o/ |
| 21:01.11 | VPNlovin | Schallaven: Hello! |
| 21:01.22 | VPNlovin | Ok... Now one final reboot... |
| 21:01.27 | VPNlovin | crosses fingers. |
| 21:01.32 | greenjeans | hi |
| 21:01.46 | greenjeans | congrats tombull, glad you got it sorted |
| 21:01.57 | VPNlovin | MAYBE. :D |
| 21:02.01 | VPNlovin | Still booting. |
| 21:02.15 | greenjeans | any luck with your monitor res? |
| 21:03.01 | VPNlovin | Gave up on that. For now. |
| 21:03.07 | VPNlovin | It's clsoe enough. LOL |
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| 21:10.45 | greenjeans | take a look at that link I posted, best tutorial for installing the fglrx drivers that i've seen |
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| 21:23.20 | timeless | disabling my other apt repos, and purging some things and reinstalling nginx worked :) |
| 21:23.23 | timeless | everything's happy |
| 21:23.26 | timeless | <3 devuan |
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| 21:52.56 | fsmithred | timeless, 'apt-get remove wicd' |
| 21:53.49 | timeless | dpkg-query: no packages found matching wicd |
| 21:54.07 | fsmithred | then it's gone |
| 21:54.28 | timeless | so, actually, i have 2 computers with similar configurations, one's working brilliantly, and one's still broken :-( |
| 21:54.36 | fsmithred | check mate startup programs (wherever they are) to check for remnants |
| 21:54.50 | timeless | mate? |
| 21:54.57 | fsmithred | what desktop you using? |
| 21:54.58 | greenjeans | why would timeless need to remove wicd? did you mean tombull/VPNlovin? |
| 21:55.08 | fsmithred | oops |
| 21:55.14 | greenjeans | yep |
| 21:55.15 | fsmithred | getting confused with all the names |
| 21:55.15 | timeless | hrm, yeah, that makes more sense :) |
| 21:55.31 | timeless | isn't using a desktop |
| 21:55.34 | timeless | is in an lxc |
| 21:56.07 | timeless | ponders |
| 21:56.31 | timeless | oh, /etc/debian_version isn't maintained by devuan? |
| 21:56.47 | timeless | shouldn't that file have been removed when i did my devuan conversion (dist-upgrade)? |
| 21:58.24 | fsmithred | well, I did a jessie to jessie upgrade and debian_version is still there. |
| 21:58.57 | greenjeans | there is a devuan_version on stock Devuan installs, conversions probably don't get it though |
| 21:59.02 | timeless | i did two upgrades, both to jessie, one system has `8.7`, the other `7.11` |
| 21:59.16 | timeless | no, i got devuan_version https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/83ojr4pN/ |
| 21:59.27 | timeless | but, what didn't happen was that the debian_version file wasn't removed |
| 21:59.38 | timeless | (probably too many negatives..) |
| 21:59.43 | fsmithred | yup. same here |
| 21:59.59 | greenjeans | ahh |
| 22:00.01 | timeless | and since it's apparently not updated, that means i now have stale/misleading info |
| 22:00.02 | fsmithred | do you have a /data/etc? |
| 22:00.12 | timeless | nope |
| 22:00.16 | fsmithred | good |
| 22:00.29 | greenjeans | stale info? |
| 22:00.29 | fsmithred | is devuan-baseconf installed? |
| 22:00.44 | timeless | nope |
| 22:01.29 | timeless | greenjeans: well, on one system, /etc/debian_version says `7.11`, which is probably not right for a `jessie` |
| 22:01.52 | greenjeans | gotcha |
| 22:02.14 | greenjeans | but it's not really 7.11 if you upgraded to Devuan 1 |
| 22:02.18 | greenjeans | right? |
| 22:02.21 | timeless | right |
| 22:02.25 | fsmithred | that was wheezy? |
| 22:02.32 | timeless | yeah, it would have been wheezy |
| 22:02.42 | timeless | has conveniently forgotten such details |
| 22:02.44 | fsmithred | I'll bet that upgrade went easier |
| 22:02.48 | greenjeans | so it's wheezy updated to jessie basically |
| 22:03.08 | timeless | combined https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xXhTetSh/ |
| 22:03.23 | timeless | fsmithred: yes, actually, it did |
| 22:03.35 | timeless | although it hasn't fixed my core problem (lxc network bridging) |
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| 22:04.41 | fsmithred | can't help there. Never played with lxc. |
| 22:04.55 | fsmithred | Someone did post about lxc at dev1galaxy.org |
| 22:05.05 | Sleaker | never had issues with network bridging |
| 22:05.06 | Sleaker | sooo |
| 22:05.14 | Sleaker | can't help either :( |
| 22:07.14 | fsmithred | how to set up lxc container: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=617 |
| 22:07.55 | timeless | that looks like devuan host + guest |
| 22:08.16 | timeless | we have somewhere between a dozen and two dozen lxc's floating around here |
| 22:08.25 | timeless | most work swimmingly |
| 22:08.38 | timeless | this one decided to misbehave (rhel6 host + devuan guest) |
| 22:09.20 | gnu_srs1 | I wrote to RMS a few times about systemd: violates freedom 1: (as well as the *NIX and KISS philosophy). Unfortunately he did not catch the hook :( |
| 22:09.38 | timeless | heh |
| 22:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemd breaking virualizations isn't really a surprise, eh? particularly when the virtualization is using cgroups which systemd whants exclusive control over |
| 22:10.37 | gnu_srs1 | He also does not take support for gnome as a GNU project away, which he should, but doesn't. |
| 22:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway that problem with systemd and VMs is known systemd bug iirc |
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| 22:12.26 | greenjeans | gnu_srs1: 100% agree about gnome |
| 22:14.18 | greenjeans | gnome doesn't want to be open-source anyway, wish they would take their crappy tablet-interface elsewhere, nobody is going to pay them for it like they were hoping for |
| 22:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *guess* the problem starts when systemd in VM wants to take exclusive control over cgroups but the host system already is managing cgroups by whatever means |
| 22:16.22 | greenjeans | i love Openbox |
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| 22:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I get cert issue on "webstat.nexlabs.net" **on devuan-org**!!! |
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| 22:18.12 | greenjeans | today's reason is because if you have to use GVFS in Openbox, it's okay because it de-fangs the dconf garbageware and that crappy binary config file in userspace can be freely deleted as it does not have control over configs ;) |
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| 22:19.36 | greenjeans | okay, I gotta go move some rocks and re-set the armadillo trap, see y'all later! |
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| 22:19.58 | fsmithred | lol, bye |
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| 22:21.44 | timeless | ok, so... one host had `libvirt` installed, and one didn't |
| 22:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf with this armadillo running gag. Missing the point |
| 22:22.25 | timeless | installing that got me to the point where i can at least connect to the devuan lxc |
| 22:22.42 | timeless | now i just need to figure out why the web server inside it is behaving differently |
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| 22:23.36 | timeless | eventually i'm going to have to figure out how to write some files for /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts |
| 22:26.32 | timeless | looks like my last problem is that my app (pydio) doesn't like its database (currently sqlite) -- the working instance uses pydio w/ mysql |
| 22:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | do we really want nexlab.net (whoever that is) references in devuan.org website? http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/11/plasma-desktoppj8317.png |
| 22:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: ^^^ |
| 22:29.19 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: you definitely don't want an expired server :) |
| 22:29.42 | golinux | That's not my call. It a script to collect stats. |
| 22:29.46 | timeless | nextime: http://www.nexlab.net/aboutme/ |
| 22:29.54 | timeless | nextime: can you please switch to letsencrypt? |
| 22:30.00 | timeless | is happy to help |
| 22:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.20 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: his about page says nextime, and nextime is in the channel :) |
| 22:31.01 | golinux | I'm not seeing that error here. |
| 22:31.14 | timeless | golinux: try disabling javascript? |
| 22:31.38 | timeless | based on the code, you should get an error if js is disabled |
| 22:31.54 | timeless | <noscript><p><img src="//webstats.nexlab.net/piwik.php?idsite=4&cookie=0" style="border:0;" alt="" /></p></noscript> |
| 22:31.54 | timeless | from view-source:https://devuan.org/ |
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| 22:32.25 | timeless | if you load devuan.org over https w/o js, that img tag should trigger a request to https://webstats.nexlab.net/piwik.php?idsite=4&cookie=0 -- and that domain's certificate expired (according to chrome) |
| 22:32.44 | timeless | chrome error https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sqWqQOFi/ |
| 22:33.09 | timeless | Expired: Monday, July 10, 2017 at 7:58:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time |
| 22:33.20 | timeless | wow, that's impressive, it expired today |
| 22:33.34 | timeless | oh, it *is* letsencrypt! |
| 22:33.46 | timeless | interesting. that means his cron job is broken |
| 22:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the usual thing with LE lately |
| 22:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have that shit every week literally |
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| 22:35.02 | golinux | I disabled in adblock plus and still not getting that ,essage on refresh |
| 22:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | refresh using cache for images? |
| 22:36.40 | golinux | nextime: See discussion above;. Cert expiired today and failed to auto-renew. |
| 22:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't have JS disabled and got "expired cert" on fresh open of devuan.org |
| 22:37.41 | golinux | nextime: cert for webstats.nexlab.net |
| 22:38.16 | timeless | shrugs |
| 22:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | LE is a pita |
| 22:39.41 | timeless | golinux: in chrome the console just logs it as: |
| 22:39.41 | timeless | this: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Qwco49SS/ |
| 22:39.50 | timeless | normal end user browsers don't bother showing messages about insecure stuff to users, they just don't load it |
| 22:39.57 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05 's using a paranoid browser |
| 22:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | goo ole Konqueror |
| 22:40.27 | timeless | "not an end user browser" |
| 22:40.33 | timeless | "all the errors no user would understand" |
| 22:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | better than "let me change that URL for you, you don't want to go there" |
| 22:41.25 | timeless | anyway, hopefully this little bit of debugging i've contributed was helpful, in exchange for me asking questions earlier :) |
| 22:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 22:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Konqueror also conveniently fails on too weird JS crap |
| 22:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's one of the reasons I hate github etc |
| 22:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but admittedly it feels old and rotten meanwhile, I'm worried about missing security patches |
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| 22:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity |
| 22:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | finally needs to go s/KDE/trinity/ prolly |
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