| 00:02.27 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock, why can't you install it? |
| 00:03.10 | AlexLikeRock | last week i use source debian.org to instqall HANDBRAKE, DEVEDE and other , |
| 00:03.34 | AlexLikeRock | then they install libsystemd0 , garbage, more trash , etc. |
| 00:04.30 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.30 | AlexLikeRock | 1) libatkmm-1.6-1 [Not Installed] |
| 00:04.30 | AlexLikeRock | 2) libcairomm-1.0-1 [Not Installed] |
| 00:04.30 | AlexLikeRock | 3) libglibmm-2.4-1c2a [Not Installed] |
| 00:04.30 | AlexLikeRock | 4) libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a [Not Installed] |
| 00:04.30 | AlexLikeRock | 5) libpangomm-1.4-1 [Not Installed] |
| 00:04.32 | AlexLikeRock | 6) libsigc++-2.0-0c2a [Not Installed] |
| 00:04.34 | AlexLikeRock | 7) mate-system-monitor [Not Installed] |
| 00:04.41 | fsmithred | jessie or ascii? |
| 00:04.48 | AlexLikeRock | that say , when i try install |
| 00:05.07 | AlexLikeRock | jesiiie |
| 00:05.35 | fsmithred | ii mate-system-monito 1.8.0+dfsg1-2 amd64 |
| 00:05.44 | AlexLikeRock | its 386 |
| 00:05.49 | AlexLikeRock | my laptop |
| 00:05.49 | Xenguy | cringes... |
| 00:05.55 | fsmithred | user@refracta:~$ dpkg -l |grep systemd |
| 00:05.55 | fsmithred | user@refracta:~$ |
| 00:06.09 | fsmithred | I have it installed without libsystemd0 |
| 00:06.19 | AlexLikeRock | ii libsystemd0:i386 232-25 i386 systemd utility library |
| 00:06.27 | AlexLikeRock | -_- |
| 00:06.42 | fsmithred | aptitude why libsystemd0 |
| 00:06.48 | Xenguy | hah |
| 00:06.56 | Xenguy | really |
| 00:07.02 | fsmithred | yeah, that's a real command |
| 00:07.08 | Xenguy | hilarious |
| 00:07.11 | Xenguy | and useful |
| 00:07.34 | Xenguy | sounds like rdepends or smth |
| 00:08.04 | fsmithred | rdepends on speed |
| 00:08.05 | zyliwax | was devuan jessie based directly off of jessie, or "upgraded" from wheezy (which iiuc uses sysvinit)? |
| 00:08.21 | zyliwax | s/off of/off of debian/ |
| 00:08.32 | Xenguy | jessie->jessie ? |
| 00:08.52 | fsmithred | oh, maybe |
| 00:09.05 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock, how did you initially install the system? |
| 00:09.10 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 00:09.14 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.31 | fsmithred | how the hell do you install linux by accident? |
| 00:09.49 | AlexLikeRock | i realy say |
| 00:09.54 | Xenguy | From the latest Twin Peaks episode: "I think I'm HIGH!!!" |
| 00:10.01 | AlexLikeRock | last days i use source debian.org to instqall HANDBRAKE, DEVEDE and other , |
| 00:10.13 | fsmithred | uh oh |
| 00:10.14 | AlexLikeRock | then they install libsystemd0 , garbage, more trash , etc. |
| 00:10.22 | fsmithred | you changed sources.list? |
| 00:10.26 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 00:10.28 | AlexLikeRock | to debian |
| 00:10.33 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.34 | fsmithred | better to just download the deb packages and install them |
| 00:10.36 | Xenguy | mixing repos is risky business |
| 00:10.41 | fsmithred | then you don't have accidents |
| 00:10.48 | AlexLikeRock | yeah mix , its bad :( |
| 00:10.59 | fsmithred | so run 'aptitude why libsystemd0' |
| 00:11.05 | fsmithred | maybe it can be removed |
| 00:11.08 | AlexLikeRock | nop |
| 00:11.16 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.19 | fsmithred | it's possible that whatever pulled it in is not required |
| 00:12.01 | fsmithred | why is it there? You need to know that first. |
| 00:12.32 | fsmithred | remove it with the precision of a skilled surgeon, not Rambo. |
| 00:12.51 | Xenguy | That's it, the surgical cut |
| 00:16.09 | fsmithred | sometimes it gets pulled in by a recommended package that you don't really need |
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| 00:21.06 | fsmithred | if you can figure out the dependencies, you might be able to remove it. Even if it pulls out some stuff you want, you might be able to reinstall without recommends. |
| 00:22.12 | Xenguy | Good tip, tx |
| 00:23.05 | fsmithred | I've gotteh the errror message from hell before. You get to a point where the package manager tells you that it will only proceed if you type something like "Yes, I know what I'm doing and I really want to go ahead." |
| 00:23.19 | fsmithred | that's not the exact wording, but it's close. |
| 00:24.07 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock, what's happening? |
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| 00:33.47 | golinux | AlexLikeRock: handbrake is in the devuan repos and so is devede. Why did you need Debian repos??? |
| 00:34.06 | AlexLikeRock | golinux, , i search |
| 00:34.09 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.22 | golinux | And I have mate-system-monitor installed. No problem |
| 00:34.39 | AlexLikeRock | golinux, you dont mix pakages |
| 00:34.41 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.11 | golinux | Well everything comes up on a search here. |
| 00:35.36 | golinux | Good luck sorting it . . . |
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| 01:07.22 | zyliwax | are any arm-sdk devs here? I'd like to try (not-cross-)compiling a beaglebone black image *on* my beaglebone black |
| 01:08.01 | zyliwax | hopefully it'll be up to snuff for quality standards and available for download on devuan.org and mirrors |
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| 01:13.18 | koris | anyone here might know why, when I login on devuan jessie 1.0 using MATE, it will often just give me one blank panel at the bottom along with my cursor and wallpaper and that's it and never load anything else? and then sometimes it will just load it fine. this happens on two computers and needing to reboot the computer every time it happens sucks |
| 01:14.03 | fsmithred | koris, did you try restarting X instead of rebooting? |
| 01:14.26 | koris | just now it happened like 5+ times in a row, seems like it might be happening more... also, I didn't try that, I never really learned to restart X |
| 01:14.45 | fsmithred | couple of ways to do that |
| 01:14.58 | fsmithred | ctrl-alt-F1 (or F2) |
| 01:15.18 | fsmithred | login and restart display manager |
| 01:15.24 | fsmithred | service slim restart |
| 01:15.36 | fsmithred | other way |
| 01:15.51 | fsmithred | alt-prntscrn-k |
| 01:16.32 | koris | I'll remember to try that next time, it let me in this time but hmmmmmm since I have brought this up 3 times now it seems like most other people are really not encountering this issue somehow? |
| 01:17.06 | koris | oh right also I have already tried using lightdm instead of slim and it didn't fix it |
| 01:17.11 | koris | so I guess it is not the login manager |
| 01:17.19 | fsmithred | I haven't heard people talking about it |
| 01:17.36 | fsmithred | I had it happen in xfce one time. |
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| 01:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: hi! |
| 01:44.07 | fsmithred | hi doc |
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| 01:47.10 | Xenguy | o/ |
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| 02:57.32 | catprints | Koris-maybe a corrupted download? I installed many mate/devuan jessie iso's and have not seen your issue. |
| 02:59.45 | catprints | You might re-install some mate stuff.Like mate-panel and mate panel common? |
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| 09:05.09 | brig | morning |
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| 09:20.26 | bozonius | how can I get a newer version of thunderbird for devuan? |
| 09:26.51 | brig | bozonius: backports? |
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| 09:35.55 | djph | build it from source? |
| 09:36.46 | DusXMT | wonders what exciting new email extensions there are in the new version of thunderbird |
| 09:39.12 | djph | DusXMT: best bet is a couple of bugfixes for the program itself |
| 09:39.52 | DusXMT | djph: heh :3 the question was mostly rethorical and sarcastic, but I guess that'll do |
| 09:40.21 | djph | DusXMT: oh, I know ... it's just too early to think up some bullshit-bingo-winning extension :) |
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| 10:06.12 | bozonius | glad to see so many folks with constructive replies. |
| 10:06.21 | bozonius | scratches this channel from his go-to list... |
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| 10:32.56 | djph | because "backports" and "build from source" aren't constructive ... |
| 10:35.17 | zdzichu | djph++ |
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| 10:50.07 | MinceR | external sources (binary tarball, nix, gentoo prefix, cde package) :> |
| 10:50.14 | MinceR | (oh, and 0install) |
| 10:50.47 | DusXMT | (also, guix :3) |
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| 13:29.23 | rafalcpp | how ever, he is right in noting that all linux distrbutions are pure shit, |
| 13:29.34 | rafalcpp | e.g. in accomplishing taks as providing a working email client |
| 13:30.06 | rafalcpp | for normal people, like thundermail, not some geeky console "client" |
| 13:32.04 | MinceR | normal people seem to accept the worst shit out there |
| 13:32.08 | MinceR | like outlook |
| 13:35.25 | KatolaZ | I still don't get what people want to find in an email client |
| 13:35.41 | KatolaZ | I mean, what more than a way to read your email |
| 13:37.19 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: "working email client" thunderbird from devuan jessie works just fine |
| 13:38.52 | DusXMT | It has all sorts of settings, it has support for OpenPGP with a plugin, it has support for multicasting mails, it supports writing both plaintext and HTML mails, it tells you when someone requests to know when you opened an email (instead of simply doing it) |
| 13:40.50 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: If you can tell me one critical feature which this version of thunderbird doesn't provide that is neccessary for convenient emailiing, I will stand corrected |
| 13:41.36 | zyliwax | thunderbird 52 isn't even in stretch yet from what it seems >> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/thunderbird |
| 13:43.52 | zyliwax | or backports, so that was not a solution to his problem unfortunately |
| 13:45.11 | DusXMT | then there's still the option of compiling from source, that'ss something one has to learn to do eventually |
| 13:45.31 | DusXMT | eg. I used to compile myself seamonkey, before it became dead again |
| 13:45.37 | zyliwax | right, i'm a gentooligan so i know all about that :D |
| 13:45.49 | DusXMT | Gentoo automates the process :) |
| 13:46.06 | zyliwax | that being said, normal people don't want to compile software |
| 13:46.31 | zyliwax | (then again, i doubt normal people really know/care about devuan) |
| 13:46.44 | DusXMT | (was just about to say that :3) |
| 13:46.45 | zyliwax | that comment seemed out of left field |
| 13:47.02 | zyliwax | someone who was clearly interested in devuan got an answer he didn't like |
| 13:48.16 | zyliwax | but clearly, this community *should* be dedicated to patiently providing accurate answers to interested users |
| 13:48.57 | zyliwax | given the existential threats it faces from entrenched powers |
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| 13:50.30 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: it does not work |
| 13:50.37 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: you can not create email account in it |
| 13:51.00 | rafalcpp | mint also has this problems, probably debian and ubuntu too |
| 13:51.16 | rafalcpp | fuckups in akonadi db and/or in email wizard, in the end you can't create first account |
| 13:51.59 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: It works just fine when you create a mail account using the actual webmail service's website, I have two and so far I haven't experienced any issues |
| 13:52.11 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: I did many times and it never worked |
| 13:52.21 | rafalcpp | also my friends reported it not working |
| 13:52.44 | rafalcpp | maybe I will produce a video showing how devuan is unusable for desktop on that example |
| 13:52.58 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: You have to adjust the settings in the profile settings, set the correct ports, encryption method, etc.; which you can find on your webmail provider's website |
| 13:53.27 | DusXMT | uses it on 3 machines and hasn't experienced a problem yet |
| 13:53.50 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: I know how to administrate emails and such. And yet setting up working account in thunderbird eludes me (and my friends) |
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| 13:53.53 | DusXMT | Also, in the case of gmail, you have to explicitly enable "insecure clients" |
| 13:54.00 | rafalcpp | when we did that years ago, around debian 6, it worked fine |
| 13:54.27 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: that too, but the problems are like crashes / errors in acraponadi database and such |
| 13:54.57 | rafalcpp | akonadi is the systemd of messaging |
| 13:55.07 | rafalcpp | it should be bombed from orbit =) or at least fixed |
| 13:55.13 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: Then that's a bug worth reporting, eg. to the thunderbird maintainer in Debian |
| 13:55.26 | rafalcpp | afair it's reported |
| 13:55.26 | DusXMT | uses imap |
| 13:55.35 | rafalcpp | some other distros confrimed such bugs |
| 13:55.53 | rafalcpp | it could be that the failure is on kmail upstream side |
| 13:56.15 | rafalcpp | desktop OS of the future - and have like 1 half-time maintaining the most crucial thing (email), lol |
| 13:56.15 | zyliwax | but the geeky email clients do "just work", right? ;) |
| 13:56.25 | rafalcpp | zyliwax: maybe, I'm not a caveman to test that |
| 13:56.42 | rafalcpp | even more so, my end users in office |
| 13:57.35 | zyliwax | i jest, i pretty much just use webmail clients (which, yes, have their own problems) |
| 13:57.46 | rafalcpp | that's so sad |
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| 13:58.01 | zyliwax | i wonder if thunderbird works without these issues on windows? |
| 13:58.03 | rafalcpp | linux failed to provide a real email client, so people flock to jewish webservices like gmail |
| 13:58.11 | DusXMT | has experience with configuring outlook 6 on windows xp, so configuring thunderbird is a breeze :) |
| 13:58.20 | rafalcpp | (well gmail in itself is lame, but using it via webui is doubly so) |
| 13:58.48 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: outlook express works much easier in comparsion. linux had usable email clients years ago, we regressed on that field |
| 13:59.17 | rafalcpp | kmail team gnome'd and jumped the shark with adding useless shit, while breaking most core functionality |
| 14:00.00 | rafalcpp | like semantic search napumoko / akonadi. thank's a aloooot, assholes >_> |
| 14:01.42 | zyliwax | that was mostly due to lack of curiosity on my part, but this discussion is quickly eroding that lack |
| 14:02.00 | zyliwax | i'd like to get my club and start cavemanning now lol |
| 14:02.03 | rafalcpp | zyliwax: didn't actually tested thunder on windows. hm |
| 14:02.14 | DusXMT | I still don't understand how is it possible that I set up thunderbird on three devuan jessie machines just fine |
| 14:02.20 | rafalcpp | zyliwax: uga-buga how to enable colors in $TERM |
| 14:02.22 | DusXMT | If it's supposedly impossible |
| 14:02.53 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: try it on fresh user and fresh instal. I suspect it works when importing not empty database to start with |
| 14:02.58 | zyliwax | rafalcpp: already crossed that threshold :D |
| 14:03.05 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: Nope, three fresh installs |
| 14:03.17 | DusXMT | Two on x86, one on x86_64 |
| 14:03.36 | DusXMT | with two separate mail profiles for two accounts |
| 14:03.39 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: I will test some more then. |
| 14:04.44 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: and be sure to walk through the profile configuration once you're done, it likely needs adjusting, but you should be doing that anyways to eg. set your signature and configure how the text in replies is handled |
| 14:08.35 | DusXMT | There's also a handy extension called FireTray which allows one to minimize it into the system tray, showing a number of unread messages (which's exact behavior can be configured) |
| 14:13.15 | rafalcpp | DusXMT: in-repo? |
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| 14:14.47 | DusXMT | rafalcpp: Seems like it, xul-ext-firetray (but I'm using the one from mozilla's extensions site) |
| 14:14.56 | DusXMT | (didn't think to look in the repo) |
| 14:15.26 | rafalcpp | neat, if it works |
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| 14:30.59 | davidl | I tried to use the --auto-key-locate option with the gpg2 package but it failed which means that it hasn't been built with dns-support which would have been nice to have. |
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| 16:23.52 | TenOfEleven | Hi guys, just wanted to stop by and say thanks. Thank you for creating Devuan. I absolutely love it. So much that aside my monthly donations to the Pale Moon web browser I will make a monthly donation to Devuan as well. Just because I want you guys to continue with your awesome work. Keep it up! Much love, peace and respect. |
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| 17:13.01 | slacko108481 | I am going to build another ascii iso |
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| 17:31.30 | derseegrog[m] | Hello :-)Is it preferred to create a bug report with Devuan or with upstream? |
| 17:31.33 | derseegrog[m] | It's smartctl not using "-d sat" automatically with a new USB hdd. |
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| 17:33.15 | Everche | good night |
| 17:34.01 | derseegrog[m] | I found a similar bug report on https://www.smartmontools.org/ticket/725 but it has a slightly different USB signature (mine has [0x0bc2:0x331a (0x911)] while in the #725 it is [0x0bc2:0x331a (0x909)]) |
| 17:34.11 | derseegrog[m] | good night, Everche |
| 17:36.43 | bluemarlin | i'd say take it to the upstream directly. Looks like smartmontools package is directly from debian. So for devuan to fix it someone would have to start to maintain the package and patch it... imho |
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| 17:41.53 | derseegrog[m] | bluemarlin: thanks |
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| 18:28.49 | tdm4 | anyone know of a backported apulse package for devuan jessie? |
| 18:29.01 | tdm4 | or do I have to upgrade to 'stretch'? (Not sure if it's stable?) |
| 18:29.08 | golinux_ | It's in experimental |
| 18:29.33 | tdm4 | is there a src package I can compile? |
| 18:29.38 | golinux_ | (or so I've been told) |
| 18:29.42 | tdm4 | hmm |
| 18:30.03 | golinux_ | Dunno. I'm not an experimenter. |
| 18:32.25 | golinux_ | Yup . . . <KatolaZ> FWIW, apulse is in experimental |
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| 21:05.15 | brig | Evening |
| 21:05.38 | brig | I'm going to make some dark devuan wallpapers, I'll be sure to share them |
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| 21:21.00 | MinceR | :) |
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| 21:38.41 | golinux | brig: You can post them on the Friends of Devuan Wiki http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community_artwork |
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| 22:16.02 | brig | golinux: Thank you! |
| 22:21.49 | msiism | what would be the most compatible way to check for the device name of a cd/dvd/bd drive across most unix-like systems? |
| 22:23.09 | msiism | i know you can use "cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info | grep "drive name"" |
| 22:23.29 | msiism | but i'm not even sure that applies to the majority of linux-based systems these days. |
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| 22:41.18 | msiism | ok, it seems that would be "dmesg | grep cd" then, which is sad. |
| 22:43.11 | fsmithred | msiism, dmesg no longer works for unpriv. user |
| 22:43.53 | msiism | fsmithred: i ascii, you mean? |
| 22:43.59 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 22:44.41 | msiism | ok, i see. |
| 22:45.26 | msiism | well, then i'll just add that (to the docs). |
| 22:46.04 | fsmithred | you looking for a way the user can check this at command line? |
| 22:46.11 | msiism | yes |
| 22:47.27 | _stephen | does lsblk reveal that? |
| 22:47.37 | msiism | well, kind of |
| 22:47.49 | msiism | but, that is pert of the util-linux package |
| 22:48.05 | msiism | you probably won't find that on a BSD system |
| 22:48.12 | _stephen | What piece of information do you want, exactly? |
| 22:48.45 | msiism | the device name of the cdrom drive or of all drives/writers if there are several |
| 22:49.26 | _stephen | something not using a program to do the lookup? So not cdrecord -scanbus? |
| 22:49.34 | msiism | well, dmesg will surely reveal them, but it's a pain to read. |
| 22:49.50 | _stephen | oops, lost a minus there. |
| 22:50.07 | msiism | well cdrecord -scanbus has a trange way of putting out device info. i think it is for another purpose. |
| 22:50.14 | msiism | no, i think it's really -scanbus |
| 22:50.44 | fsmithred | wodim will give you lots of info, too |
| 22:50.48 | msiism | btw, debian (and so devuan) doesn't have cdrecord (but a non-maintained fork instead) |
| 22:50.51 | _stephen | and you need it to work on linux and bsd? |
| 22:50.55 | fsmithred | but dmesg is probably more likely to be there |
| 22:51.34 | msiism | _stephen: i'm trying to write the "getting devuan" section in the wiki: http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/devuan_doc:getting_devuan |
| 22:52.44 | _stephen | seems like cdrecord is a symlink for wodim or something somewhere anyway... |
| 22:52.52 | msiism | fsmithred: right, most of these systems seem to have that. so i'll use that and add that you may have to be root to see the outout |
| 22:53.00 | _stephen | Or maybe I'm thinking of genisoimage or whatever it replaced |
| 22:53.17 | msiism | _stephen: wodim replaces cdrecord, genisoimage replaces mkisofs |
| 22:53.36 | _stephen | growiso... man, I think I need to find food. |
| 22:54.23 | _stephen | Oh, so you need the correct path for the cd burner. |
| 22:54.34 | _stephen | I thought they defaulted to the first one on the system... |
| 22:54.41 | msiism | btw, i think cdrskin is probably a better choice for bruning things on the cli in devuan at the moment. |
| 22:54.57 | msiism | _stephen: right, maybe there's more than one drive |
| 22:55.10 | _stephen | Could stick in a catchall to check for /dev/sr* |
| 22:55.15 | _stephen | Butthat's kind of lame. |
| 22:55.56 | fsmithred | why do they need to know the device name? |
| 22:56.17 | msiism | _stephen: and the drives might not be called /dev/sr* on a bsd or opensolaris system |
| 22:56.21 | msiism | fsmithred: don't they? |
| 22:56.47 | fsmithred | for what? |
| 22:56.48 | _stephen | /dev/disksomething on mac, I think... and I can't remember any of the actual bsds.. |
| 22:57.04 | fsmithred | you download the iso and burn it to disk however you normally do it |
| 22:57.08 | _stephen | Yeah, the cdrecord command can use the output of scanbus if they have more than one |
| 22:57.14 | msiism | fsmithred: afaik, cdrecord as well as cdrskin will default to the right device name if there is only one drive/writer |
| 22:57.32 | fsmithred | most likely a graphical program which will tell them where it is |
| 22:57.58 | msiism | fsmithred: that's why it says "The easiest way to create a bootable disc from the downloaded image is probably using the âwrite image to diskâ mode of your favorite burning tool. " in the wiki. |
| 22:58.00 | fsmithred | and if there are two, the user probably knows about it already |
| 22:58.12 | fsmithred | yeah, perfect |
| 22:58.24 | fsmithred | they can google for that if they need to |
| 22:58.24 | _stephen | Plus from mac they'd have to use something like hdiutil burn... |
| 22:58.37 | fsmithred | good point. Some will be on mac or win |
| 22:58.50 | _stephen | Who the hell knows how windows users burn cds these days... |
| 22:58.56 | _stephen | Do you have to download special software still? |
| 22:59.05 | msiism | ok, seems optical disk bruning is a lot more different between these systems than putting an image file to a usb flash drive |
| 23:00.13 | fsmithred | dmesg just finds the drive at boot. It doesn't do anything when I put a disk in or take it out |
| 23:00.33 | msiism | fsmithred: still it will give you the correct device name |
| 23:00.58 | _stephen | it would give you candidate device names, just like --devices for wodim or -scanbus for cdrecord... |
| 23:01.18 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 23:01.20 | _stephen | Maybe link to another page talking about how to burn disks on other operating sytems? |
| 23:01.32 | fsmithred | another yeah |
| 23:01.36 | _stephen | Or find a polite way to say JFGI |
| 23:02.51 | msiism | semms like i got a little caught up in trying to do "the right thing" |
| 23:03.34 | _stephen | You could go for breadth and then go back for depth. |
| 23:03.53 | _stephen | Or see how other projects talk about it. |
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| 23:04.23 | msiism1 | _stephen: what would that mean? |
| 23:18.01 | _stephen | which part? the obscure breadth vs depth or the other projects? |
| 23:18.15 | _stephen | Try to get the overall instructions written out, then flesh out details. |
| 23:18.30 | msiism1 | _stephen: ok, right |
| 23:19.23 | _stephen | BTW, I ran the installer in whatever accessability mode that does text to speech the last go around, how does one increase the volume when doing that? I could barely hear it... |
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| 23:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6401634831 ;-) |
| 23:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | now if only I could find out if that's DS-lite so it would have some room for further improvements avoiding the CG-NAT |