| 00:00.05 | genr8_ | then redo the install for backport's acpi-call-dkms |
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| 00:01.15 | genr8_ | youll likely need to be root or sudo to deal with those kernel source commands |
| 00:01.36 | dka | http://paste.debian.net/1168212/ |
| 00:01.50 | dka | thos cmd fails |
| 00:02.03 | genr8_ | you'll need to be root or sudo to deal with those kernel source commands |
| 00:02.12 | dka | I did sudo before, see the logs |
| 00:02.29 | genr8_ | you need to use them for each command |
| 00:02.38 | genr8_ | cd /usr/src/linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64; sudo make oldconfig && sudo make prepare |
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| 00:02.48 | dka | I did.\ |
| 00:02.58 | dka | http://paste.debian.net/1168213/ |
| 00:03.18 | dka | This is the relevant part with sudo, if you ctrl+f in previous log you 'll find it too |
| 00:03.55 | genr8_ | something isnt right here |
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| 00:04.34 | dka | I already know this, what's the appropriate action? downgrading seems not to resolve the new bugs I have |
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| 00:04.46 | gpunk | manufaturers dont provide or help devs to have proper drivers, that's all |
| 00:04.49 | genr8_ | I would suggest removing the linux-source package that corresponds to this 5.8 kernel, and re-install it |
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| 00:05.04 | dka | genr8_, I already did, multiple times, it wont help |
| 00:05.19 | genr8_ | the source ? |
| 00:05.37 | dka | I am hoping a 5.9 kernel will be released with those kernel fixes.. to me bp 5.8 linux kernel is not ready for stable |
| 00:05.39 | genr8_ | sudo apt purge linux-source-5.8 |
| 00:05.49 | genr8_ | then install it again |
| 00:05.51 | dka | ok |
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| 00:06.28 | dka | IT also fail, same error: http://paste.debian.net/1168214/ |
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| 00:06.50 | genr8_ | ehh Package 'linux-source-5.8' is not installed, so not removed |
| 00:06.55 | genr8_ | thats unusual |
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| 00:07.15 | maxrazer | How can I get no results from "apt search g++-multilib" I know that packages.debian.org shows "g++-multilib_10.2.0-1_amd64.deb" package |
| 00:07.23 | dka | https://termbin.com/amzn |
| 00:07.28 | genr8_ | dka, do this: dpkg -S /usr/src/linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 and find out what package it came from |
| 00:07.55 | dka | https://termbin.com/8nxxa |
| 00:08.17 | genr8_ | ok, do a purge and re-install on that one |
| 00:08.33 | dka | perhaos: sudo apt-get install linux-source-5.8 |
| 00:09.36 | genr8_ | sudo apt purge linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-common && sudo apt install linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-common |
| 00:10.21 | genr8_ | my mistake. I was confusing "source" and "headers" before. its headers. |
| 00:10.32 | dka | http://paste.debian.net/1168215/ |
| 00:11.07 | dka | well, that's still not fixing anything =/ |
| 00:11.35 | genr8_ | wait |
| 00:11.39 | genr8_ | no that made progress |
| 00:11.53 | dka | how? I dont see one |
| 00:11.57 | dka | sudo apt autoremove |
| 00:12.00 | dka | oups |
| 00:12.10 | genr8_ | consult the log of now /var/lib/dkms/evdi/5.2.14/build/make.log |
| 00:12.36 | n4dir | maxrazer: it might be the double ++ is seen as a bash glob, and that is the problem. If you escape them, or one of them, you get a result \+\+ like. I can't explain the details |
| 00:12.43 | mtlsw | you also need the headers-all package as well for that version iirc |
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| 00:13.00 | dka | https://termbin.com/s8e2 |
| 00:13.41 | genr8_ | bah. same thing :/ |
| 00:14.05 | maxrazer | n4dir, I thought maybe, but I tried with double quotes too. |
| 00:15.12 | n4dir | maxrazer: same here. double qoutes didn't work :-) As said: i don't understand the details, just a vague guess. You could ask in #bash, if no one knows for sure here. They should know "what happens when" in and out |
| 00:15.25 | genr8_ | dka, i still think you're making forward progress. even if nothing is fixed youve eliminated variables of whats broken. if you wanna reinstall thats up to you. I dont know how to fix it. |
| 00:15.32 | dka | What package are you refering to mtlsw ? |
| 00:15.53 | genr8_ | I dont see an "all" for 5.8 |
| 00:16.01 | dka | genr8_, if I can't fix it, can I safely downgrade to 5.7 ? And wait till a new kernel is coming out? |
| 00:16.42 | n4dir | apt-cache search --names-only g++ multilib did work too. But way too many results. And as "gobject" was in the results, i thought of that globbing thing (assuming it is called like that) |
| 00:16.44 | mtlsw | dka, I think it may be the "common" named package -- I think that particular name may change to saying "all" instead, but I think the dependencies check would also tell you. |
| 00:16.45 | genr8_ | yes, your grub config said you still had the 5.7 installed |
| 00:17.05 | mtlsw | dka, so nothing to worry, if your repos are set correctly. |
| 00:17.31 | dka | well, there's stil this acpi-call-dkms that have been upgraded (with failure), should I also downgrade this one ? |
| 00:18.42 | mtlsw | dka, actually afaict when "apt-cache search linux-headers|grep -i all" , it's all about kernel 4.x with things like linux-headers-4.19.0-10-all -- but they are described as "meta packages" -- so they're virtual packages likely pointing to common I suppose --- I don't see all here on Debian -- I may have been drunk and recall something with -all on Shoe-Buntu :) |
| 00:19.08 | genr8_ | i dont think thats necessary, but you would need to have the 5.7 headers then. which you'd need to get seperately from snapshots now that you forced 5.8 in |
| 00:19.21 | genr8_ | mtlsw, thats correct |
| 00:19.43 | genr8_ | 4.19 has all, 5.8 doesnt. idk why |
| 00:19.58 | genr8_ | but it is a meta package that points to your arch + common |
| 00:20.07 | mtlsw | its ok, it's not needed.. it's a meta-virtual package that instead queries to install those other -common header packages. |
| 00:20.21 | dka | so how do I revert? |
| 00:20.38 | mtlsw | dka, just ignore everything I said. |
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| 00:20.49 | dka | sudo apt purge linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-headers-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-common |
| 00:21.26 | dka | I am not ignoring, but you are discussing with genr8_ about meta packages not being here for 5.x kernel, I also agree that they are 4.x package that are not server for 5.x, can't tell why |
| 00:22.26 | mtlsw | if you have things for dkms-compiling for external/proprietary drivers, then package "dkms" afaik needs to be installed |
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| 00:23.01 | sponix | dka: is this used as a desktop, server, or both ? |
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| 00:23.15 | dka | dkms is already the newest version (2.6.1-4). |
| 00:23.18 | dka | desktop |
| 00:24.21 | sponix | dka: would you be apposed to trying a different kernel completely ? |
| 00:24.31 | dka | from where? |
| 00:24.41 | sponix | dka: liquorix.net |
| 00:24.48 | dka | yes I am opposed. |
| 00:24.57 | dka | I rather stay on 5.7 and see where it goes, then format if I must |
| 00:24.58 | sponix | dka: It is legit, I'm on it - and Unit193 the IRC opper mirrors it :) |
| 00:25.42 | sponix | dka: it might come down to that -- I had a LMDE user earlier today that had the backport 5.8 blow up his rig also |
| 00:26.23 | genr8_ | dka, do you remember exactly what 5.7 you had before ? |
| 00:26.26 | sponix | dka: his kept saying something about couldn't create a link error. Luckily he had a split off /boot -- and unmounting that in installing the kernel to the root boot directory worked out |
| 00:26.30 | genr8_ | 5.7.17-1 ? |
| 00:26.46 | dka | => /boot/vmlinuz-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 00:27.01 | genr8_ | I cant find that one :/ |
| 00:27.21 | dka | 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 |
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| 00:27.26 | genr8_ | ok i found it |
| 00:27.48 | genr8_ | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/5.7.10-1%7Ebpo10%2B1/ |
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| 00:29.21 | genr8_ | linux-headers-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-common 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 linux-headers-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 linux-source 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 linux-kbuild-5.7 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 linux-config-5.7 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 |
| 00:29.40 | genr8_ | remove all the 5.8 stuff, download those 5.7 ones, and put them in |
| 00:29.58 | dka | what do you mean put them in? |
| 00:30.21 | genr8_ | youll have to download those files manually and install the .debs manually |
| 00:30.39 | genr8_ | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 00:30.40 | dpkg | package *.deb is already installed |
| 00:30.45 | genr8_ | thanks. |
| 00:31.10 | budlight | hi |
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| 00:35.06 | dka | how bad is it without dkms? |
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| 00:35.55 | dka | genr8_, I don't know how to downgrade now : http://paste.debian.net/1168218/ |
| 00:36.44 | dka | 5.7 seems to be disappeared when I ask for policy of linux-headers-amd64 |
| 00:37.02 | mtlsw | fwiw there's also this one -> linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64-unsigned |
| 00:37.26 | mtlsw | if linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 is a problem you can try the -unsigned package -- which is also available from bp |
| 00:37.28 | mtlsw | ./bpo |
| 00:37.48 | dka | i'll try it mtlsw |
| 00:37.55 | genr8_ | dka, thats why i have linked to the webpage, said you have to download the .deb's manually and install them manually with dpkg -i |
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| 00:38.21 | dka | Sho8uld I say Yes : http://paste.debian.net/1168219/ |
| 00:38.24 | genr8_ | it does look like you have most of them installed |
| 00:38.41 | genr8_ | yes |
| 00:39.12 | dka | damn |
| 00:39.22 | dka | I said no and it installed the unsigned version, same error mtlsw |
| 00:39.43 | dka | I'll try using the downloaded .deb and dpkg -i |
| 00:39.44 | mtlsw | I came late, I'm lost in the clutter of irc, what error is that? |
| 00:40.00 | genr8_ | well just remove it and go back to 5.7 |
| 00:40.46 | dka | I tried, it's ggetting bad; http://paste.debian.net/1168220/ |
| 00:41.30 | genr8_ | Module build for kernel 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 was skipped since the kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
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| 00:41.52 | genr8_ | your last paste said you had them installed though |
| 00:42.18 | dka | That's my whole terminal session: http://paste.debian.net/1168221/ |
| 00:42.22 | dka | I am not touching anything |
| 00:42.28 | dka | I feel like rebooting will be a black hole |
| 00:43.10 | genr8_ | dka i see a problem |
| 00:43.12 | genr8_ | Hit:9 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid InRelease |
| 00:43.25 | genr8_ | You used a sid repo on buster. |
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| 00:43.42 | mtlsw | dka, do you really need the evdi driver? |
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| 00:43.50 | dka | I'll remove it |
| 00:43.54 | dka | I don't know mtlsw |
| 00:44.17 | dka | My hardware is a Lenovo X1 Carbon 7th Generation (2019) |
| 00:44.19 | mtlsw | then you could of just removed that dkms-evdi package and hten do "apt-get -f i nstall" to finishe the headers installer. |
| 00:44.27 | mtlsw | what are you um trying to get fixed? |
| 00:44.40 | dka | Well, I wanted to get my microphone fixed |
| 00:44.48 | dka | the fix was released in 5.8 |
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| 00:45.08 | dka | So far I need to use a bluetooth headeset, and when I have no more battery, I look like a fool |
| 00:45.13 | mtlsw | ok, so remove the evdi package -- that's just a virtual-display driver ... you can just remove that if its not used |
| 00:45.59 | mtlsw | also 5.7 is not considered a stable release -- that's why it's not listed on https://www.kernel.org/ :) |
| 00:46.15 | mtlsw | dka, 5.8 is considered more tested/stable-ready for things. |
| 00:46.25 | bigterd | hooked up an old weird camera, usb identifies in dmesg, trying to pull data from /dev/bus/usb/ with dd has odd errors. |
| 00:46.54 | bigterd | 5 entires, i tried to dd from all those files, nothing copies. |
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| 00:48.19 | genr8_ | dka, i honestly would have left the acpi-call-dkms=1.1.0-6~bpo10+1 |
| 00:48.24 | dka | sorry I got disconnected |
| 00:48.25 | dka | mtlsw, what package are you referring to ? |
| 00:48.26 | dka | am I safe to reboot =//// ?? |
| 00:48.31 | dka | I shouldn't have tried to redo the 5.8 upgrade, now I feel like I am owned |
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| 00:48.54 | dka | this version failed |
| 00:48.58 | dka | why would I keep one that couldn't succeed it's install? |
| 00:48.58 | genr8_ | 5.7 still should boot |
| 00:49.10 | genr8_ | dka, it did install. the error failed on evdi now |
| 00:49.10 | mtlsw | dka, the postinst scripts run again when you just type "apt-get -f install" |
| 00:49.16 | dka | Are you sure => rc linux-image-amd64 5.8.10-1~bpo10+1 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) ? |
| 00:49.21 | mtlsw | dka, the 5.8 headers are optional if you're not compiling anything |
| 00:49.31 | genr8_ | dka, as long as /boot/ has the 3 5.7 files then yes |
| 00:49.47 | genr8_ | and grub can find them |
| 00:49.47 | mtlsw | dka, for a 5.8 kernel, you only need the kernel package |
| 00:50.10 | genr8_ | and grub did find it, so |
| 00:50.25 | mtlsw | dka, but for anything that you want built in /var/lib/dkms, you'll need to have the headers installed |
| 00:51.12 | genr8_ | he's getting those build errors from the headers, and i dont get why. |
| 00:51.20 | mtlsw | dka, the headers package was failing to compile things under that /var/lib/dkms path -- on the evdi driver --- if you don't know what the evdi driver is for, you can delete its package (dpkg -S /var/lib/dkms/evdi/) |
| 00:51.39 | dka | Am I safe to reboot : http://paste.debian.net/1168224/ ? |
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| 00:52.03 | mtlsw | dka, well you said you want 5.8 |
| 00:52.07 | dka | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /var/lib/dkms/evdi/ |
| 00:52.10 | jim | this is really weird... it won't let me -build- the 5.4 kernel, without all the -images- for that kernel installed... how nuts is that? so now I'm looking for linux-image-5.4.0-4-amd64-unsigned but it's not on snapshot that I can find |
| 00:52.15 | mtlsw | dka, dpkg -l|grep evdi ? |
| 00:52.17 | dka | mtlsw, I can't upgrade to 5.8 :'(((( it fail |
| 00:52.27 | mtlsw | dka, actually you should be able to |
| 00:52.33 | dka | mtlsw, none |
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| 00:52.43 | mtlsw | dka, you can just do, mkdir /var/lib/dkms/_disable, and then move the evdi to there |
| 00:52.53 | dka | Well, I've tried over and over, each times ones here tell me I can, but can't help me get to it |
| 00:52.58 | mtlsw | dka, and again, that is if you want to use the kernel-source-headers. |
| 00:53.15 | dka | mtlsw, I don't know if I want it |
| 00:53.20 | mtlsw | dka, the "headers" are actually source files... it's only used if you need to compile some external/proprietary drivers. |
| 00:53.42 | mtlsw | dka, or just move that /var/lib/dkms/evdi to /root/backup |
| 00:53.43 | dka | I want the SOF audio fix for my soundcard so it detect the microphone, that's a human use case, I don't know what kernel-source-headers helps a real human use case |
| 00:54.24 | dka | ok it's in backup, now what? reinstall 5.8? |
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| 00:54.29 | mtlsw | dka, why are you installing 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-cloud-amd64 ? |
| 00:54.41 | mtlsw | dka, is this on a local pc or somewhere out there in a vm? :) |
| 00:54.45 | dka | because all my attempt to upgrade to 5.8 fail and I can't stay on a fucked kernel |
| 00:54.55 | dka | It's my work laptop, it's local in front of me |
| 00:54.56 | genr8_ | he means you have a "cloud" version in addition to normal version |
| 00:55.04 | dka | X1 Carbon Gen 7 (2019), Lenovo |
| 00:55.12 | dka | it's a local PC |
| 00:55.24 | genr8_ | theres no need for the cloud package then. you can deal with that later though |
| 00:55.45 | mtlsw | the current boot/kernel is /boot/vmlinuz-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 00:55.59 | genr8_ | grub said it found it, and it should boot |
| 00:56.00 | dka | yes, I wish I can upgrade to 5.8, if only acpi-call-dkms was not failing ... |
| 00:56.09 | mtlsw | not sure what you guys are after, but he said his mic is supposed to work with 5.8. |
| 00:56.21 | dka | should I try again to install 5.8 now that I have moved /var/lib/dkms/evdi to /root/backup ? |
| 00:56.41 | genr8_ | he cant get 5.8 to work, the headers do not build DKMS properly |
| 00:56.42 | mtlsw | dka, no need to... because it looks like you don't need to bother with any headers. |
| 00:57.06 | genr8_ | he has two DKMS, acpi-call-dkms and evdi-dkms |
| 00:57.09 | mtlsw | dka, eventually if you need it, you'll know where to look for things in /var/lib/dkms -- the logs you pasted showed the errors. |
| 00:57.23 | dka | yes, and it's not supposed, it's true: https://gist.github.com/hamidzr/dd81e429dc86f4327ded7a2030e7d7d9#gistcomment-3484195 |
| 00:57.33 | genr8_ | the errors were he cant build cause of the headers :P |
| 00:57.57 | mtlsw | dka, ok that's good, then you can worry about the headers later |
| 00:58.23 | mtlsw | dka, just install the image package -- unless that image package forces to install the headers then um.. |
| 00:58.30 | dka | ok, so what should I do?I already removed the 5.8, but I am still on it, if I reboot, I may lost my session |
| 00:58.50 | genr8_ | you can be at this all day or you can risk rebooting to 5.7 |
| 00:58.57 | genr8_ | pick |
| 00:59.01 | dka | brb |
| 00:59.01 | mtlsw | "Depends: kmod, linux-base (>= 4.3~), initramfs-tools (>= 0.120+deb8u2) | linux-initramfs-tool" |
| 00:59.18 | mtlsw | who's forcing you to install the headers package? |
| 00:59.22 | mtlsw | lol |
| 00:59.37 | mtlsw | (eventually you'll want to fix it -- but it's not needed atm) |
| 00:59.46 | genr8_ | he has two DKMS, acpi-call-dkms and evdi-dkms |
| 00:59.48 | genr8_ | he wants acpi-call-dkms (1.1.0-6~bpo10+1) <-- just keep this version, stop messing with reverting. |
| 01:00.22 | dka | Hi |
| 01:00.22 | mtlsw | the error logs shows that it is skipped when installing 5.8 headers |
| 01:00.23 | dka | I am back |
| 01:00.29 | mtlsw | dka, so what happened |
| 01:00.35 | dka | Linux dka 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1 (2020-07-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:00.46 | genr8_ | ok |
| 01:00.55 | mtlsw | dka, ok, so install 5.8 |
| 01:00.55 | genr8_ | i thought it would work and it did |
| 01:00.57 | dka | I use acpi-call-dkms=1.1.0-6~bpo10+1 |
| 01:01.05 | dka | mtlsw, ok |
| 01:01.16 | mtlsw | dka, this one->linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 01:01.29 | mtlsw | dka, and give the output of "grub-update" |
| 01:01.40 | genr8_ | it auto runs that |
| 01:01.50 | mtlsw | dka, if it gives other kernels like cloud, etc.. then just remove those kernel images.. you want kernels for PC only |
| 01:02.09 | genr8_ | yea you can remove the cloud one |
| 01:02.11 | dka | http://paste.debian.net/1168227/ |
| 01:02.16 | mtlsw | -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Rosetta |
| 01:02.17 | dka | I can't upgrade the kernel using dist-upgrade anymore |
| 01:02.32 | mtlsw | dka, "apt-get install linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd6" |
| 01:02.35 | mtlsw | dka, "apt-get install linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" |
| 01:02.53 | dka | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.55 | dka | ok |
| 01:02.58 | mtlsw | dka, "apt-get -t buster-backports install linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" <<< otherwise |
| 01:03.29 | mtlsw | dka, you might have to use -t , if you can't access backports --- its because your apt preferences sees bpo as not a high-priority -- that can be fixed much later as desired. |
| 01:03.29 | dka | http://paste.debian.net/1168228/ |
| 01:03.33 | ectospasm | why not use apt, instead of apt-get? Isn't apt-get deprecated? |
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| 01:03.56 | mtlsw | dka, that looks fine, "Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" |
| 01:03.57 | genr8_ | inconsequential |
| 01:03.57 | alex11 | it's not |
| 01:04.02 | mtlsw | dka, so it should be able to boot 5.8 |
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| 01:04.11 | dka | it is able, but look at the error... |
| 01:04.30 | genr8_ | ACPI disabled in this kernel, not building module. |
| 01:04.31 | dka | From L33 to L41 |
| 01:04.44 | genr8_ | why would ACPI be disabled in the kernel ? |
| 01:04.45 | mtlsw | dka, those initrd-dkms errors are quite benign you can ignore htem |
| 01:04.49 | mtlsw | dka, ^ |
| 01:05.18 | mtlsw | acpid is a separate package -- the acpi-call-dkms is something external and named differently |
| 01:05.41 | mtlsw | if acpid should work, then "acpid" shoudl be installed -- it tends not to be installed sometimes -- that can be installed if whoever needs it. |
| 01:06.35 | genr8_ | ACPI in the kernel is different than acpid userspace daemon |
| 01:06.58 | mtlsw | yeah I have no idea what that is acpi-call-dkms, it looks like it is for developers. |
| 01:07.12 | genr8_ | could be useful for his laptop |
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| 01:07.24 | genr8_ | for buttons and stuff |
| 01:07.33 | mtlsw | "Description: Kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods |
| 01:07.33 | mtlsw | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.34 | mtlsw | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.34 | mtlsw | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.34 | mtlsw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.02 | genr8_ | well maybe another program relies on those calls |
| 01:08.07 | mtlsw | (apt show acpi-call-dkms) |
| 01:08.41 | genr8_ | i have no idea why he installed it to begin with but its probably from some tutorial about fixing his laptop to do some specific hardware command |
| 01:08.42 | mtlsw | it's an uncompiled kernel module |
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| 01:08.59 | mtlsw | looks like its for some development purpose. |
| 01:09.18 | mtlsw | acpi is actually hardware |
| 01:09.22 | mtlsw | :) |
| 01:09.29 | genr8_ | i hear you, but you're not processing what im trying to convey |
| 01:09.33 | mtlsw | dmesg |grep -i acpi |
| 01:10.14 | dka | So I am on 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 and I still have issue with chrome not being able to maximize or full screen without freezing it's window, (i can recover by minimize or exiting full screen still) ... AND ... the microphone works but it's super low |
| 01:10.16 | genr8_ | ACPI on laptops controls essential hardware functions, like fans, backlight, buttons, switches, any number of proprietary things for his X1 Carbon laptop. its not clear why he has that module, but some program could be relying on those ACPI calls |
| 01:10.26 | mtlsw | dka, that's good |
| 01:10.35 | mtlsw | dka, at least getting somewhere woohoo |
| 01:11.00 | genr8_ | he is back where he was before I started trying to help :/ |
| 01:11.04 | genr8_ | i give up |
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| 01:11.20 | dka | genr8_, thanks a lot for your time and support |
| 01:11.36 | genr8_ | yw |
| 01:12.51 | mtlsw | genr8_, he was claiming no mic support on 5.7 |
| 01:13.08 | mtlsw | genr8_, I wonder why you think it is necessary to remove 5.8 if it was booting? |
| 01:13.22 | genr8_ | this was his idea |
| 01:13.23 | mtlsw | genr8_, the kernel priority can be changed by editing /etc/default/grub if that needs to be the caes |
| 01:13.32 | mtlsw | he's obvious too new to know? |
| 01:13.42 | genr8_ | he knows when somethings not working |
| 01:14.00 | genr8_ | did it boot? yes. did it work? no |
| 01:14.14 | mtlsw | sure, but no need to remove kernel packages. You can specifiy the order in /etc/default/grub with GRUB_DEFAULT= |
| 01:14.22 | dka | mtlsw, I know, and I never used that way, I rather rename the kernel file so it gets weaker priority, because this work fine |
| 01:14.23 | genr8_ | ok |
| 01:15.02 | mtlsw | dka, another way is to just do -> mkdir /boot/_dis and move the vmlinuz-*number-version into /boot/_dis and then re-applay update-grub -- the highest-number kernel is the default. |
| 01:15.10 | mtlsw | but no need to apt-get remove things... |
| 01:15.14 | mtlsw | lol |
| 01:16.05 | mtlsw | you can always checck what is the default kernel with "less /etc/grub/grub.cfg" |
| 01:17.11 | genr8_ | <dka> Should I remind you the history? my debian was working super fine on 5.7, since this error, downgrading to 5.7 or keeping the upgrade to 5.8 keeps an issue with google chrome not being able to full screen or maximize without it's window freezing, but it's not crashed, I onloy need to minimize or to disable full screen |
| 01:17.11 | genr8_ | <dka> since 5.8 can't be instlled without failure of acpi-call-dkms from backport, I wanted to revert to 5.7, now I am stuck with this bad video issue and 5.8 can't help |
| 01:17.44 | genr8_ | Gl fixing it bro |
| 01:17.53 | mtlsw | his issue was the mic |
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| 01:18.15 | mtlsw | the dkms is irrelevant because -- the errors around kernel-headers is just for things you want built in /var/lib/dkms |
| 01:18.26 | mtlsw | but it looks like he doesn't seem to care or need it... |
| 01:18.43 | genr8_ | ok, he just brought up the mic, the acpi may be irrelevant, but the chrome video freezing was the first issue he had. |
| 01:18.49 | dka | I don't know what's DKMS to be honest |
| 01:19.03 | dka | yes genr8_ is right, I just reboot and purged google-chrome-stable |
| 01:19.13 | dka | I am a web developer, I can't have such a big issue with my primary browser |
| 01:19.27 | dka | I'll try to reinstall it, without any extension, see if it goes better, etc... |
| 01:19.47 | dka | this bug started with acpi-call-dkms failing to install when upgrading from 5.7 to 5.8 |
| 01:19.52 | genr8_ | do you know if maybe chrome auto-updating to 86 caused the bug, and the kernel was just a coincidence ? |
| 01:19.57 | dka | downgrading didn't helped, upgrading to 5.8 didn't help |
| 01:20.05 | dka | perhaps. |
| 01:20.52 | genr8_ | i would look into going back to older chrome then. maybe you still have the .deb in your /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:21.27 | mtlsw | dka, what do you want to get fixed? |
| 01:21.30 | mtlsw | dka, chrome? |
| 01:21.38 | mtlsw | dka, "chrome full-screen" ? |
| 01:21.53 | mtlsw | dka, that sounds like your video-driver is not being utilized with your X11/Wayland instance. |
| 01:22.02 | mtlsw | dka, you'd have to check the X logs for that. |
| 01:22.35 | dka | chrome full-screen and maximisez, yeah it look like the video driver failed, but it used to work and I didn't change anything |
| 01:22.39 | mtlsw | dka, but even if you're trolling that doesn't bother me, at least a few new other users are learning something ;-) |
| 01:22.48 | dka | except that "coincidance" |
| 01:22.57 | mtlsw | yeah yeah "coincidence" :) |
| 01:23.05 | mtlsw | try spelling that correctly kiddo ;-) |
| 01:23.09 | mtlsw | good luck |
| 01:23.14 | mtlsw | yeeps |
| 01:23.15 | genr8_ | hes not trolling lol. it started with chrome |
| 01:23.16 | dka | Sorry, it's late, I am not trolling |
| 01:23.50 | genr8_ | he left cause fixing video driver issues are too complex :P way beyond "check the logs" |
| 01:23.50 | dka | mtlsw, and I appreciated your help, see I told genr8_ I was grateful for he's support and time, why would I do that If I am not concerned with my own problem =/ |
| 01:24.31 | dka | anyhow, I think you are on the right track, it sounds like a xvideo issue, but I don't know how it came up, the one thing i did that started this instantly was upgrading a working 5.7 to a 5.8 and hit that acpi-call-DKMS error , which I don't know anything about |
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| 01:24.33 | mtlsw | I don't know what the problem is. I disgressed long ago. I was just trying to understand why kernel headers was needed at all. |
| 01:24.45 | dka | I left, because I reboot , that's all I try to fix things |
| 01:25.15 | dka | mtlsw, I am also grateful for your help, I feel less lonely and more confident by reading other people opinion |
| 01:25.36 | mtlsw | dka, um I said I disgressed long ago. I really don't care what the issue is. good luck. |
| 01:25.43 | genr8_ | now im curious, what is the output of 'cat /proc/cmdline' |
| 01:25.46 | dka | reinstalling google-chome-stable didn't helped |
| 01:26.02 | genr8_ | Chrome is basically 1 gigantic binary, reinstalling doesnt do much |
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| 01:26.06 | dka | mtlsw, well, in that case, may I ask what did you disagree on? |
| 01:26.17 | mtlsw | dka, are you sure you know the difference between kernel/+_+-userspace___? |
| 01:26.17 | genr8_ | revert to old version would achieve more |
| 01:26.39 | dka | mtlsw, no I am not |
| 01:26.52 | dka | and now I do understand this was a mistake |
| 01:26.53 | mtlsw | thinks dka is a b*t |
| 01:26.59 | mtlsw | lol |
| 01:27.12 | dka | And since I know that, I would say that kernel and user space are seperated concerns, and I am safe to keep N kernels on my laptop |
| 01:27.18 | mtlsw | they're getting better |
| 01:27.22 | mtlsw | ;-) |
| 01:27.52 | dka | it was a mistake to downgrade, but since I saw that ERROR on DKMS module and I am not used to see that error on my kernel upgrade step, I freaked out |
| 01:27.57 | mtlsw | too repetitive though. |
| 01:28.03 | dka | at least, I freaked out ^^ |
| 01:28.05 | mtlsw | it dwindles the same statements. |
| 01:28.14 | mtlsw | it's like a machine punch |
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| 01:28.24 | dka | I am not getting your point sorry mtlsw |
| 01:28.27 | mtlsw | you feed it text, and it splindes things on different strays. |
| 01:28.44 | dka | perhaps, time to sleep for both of us ^^ |
| 01:29.12 | dka | I won't bother your any longer, thanks for your support and your time mtlsw |
| 01:29.38 | mtlsw | you probably shouldn't have wasted time with genr8_ who doesn't know what he's doing... |
| 01:29.40 | dka | Can xvideo issue cause error only for chrome ? |
| 01:29.45 | genr8_ | wow |
| 01:30.34 | mtlsw | !dkms |
| 01:30.34 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 01:30.39 | mtlsw | !acpi |
| 01:30.39 | dpkg | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ . See also <acpid>, <suspend>. |
| 01:30.43 | mtlsw | !headers |
| 01:31.13 | genr8_ | we still have no idea why he was using that acpi-call-dkms. I still think its for his Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 7 |
| 01:32.03 | mtlsw | genr8_, only you. |
| 01:32.06 | mtlsw | genr8_, don't know. |
| 01:32.14 | dka | genr8_, just a bet: I installed this to use my portable MB168B+ screen : https://github.com/AdnanHodzic/displaylink-debian (but it didn't work so I bough ta new potable USB-C screen) |
| 01:32.19 | mtlsw | there are many things I know that I don't say because it'll confuse you. |
| 01:32.36 | dka | and I also have a Fibocom L850GL WWAN card I had to install things to get it work on linux |
| 01:33.01 | mtlsw | dka, and what's that? |
| 01:33.03 | dka | https://github.com/xmm7360/xmm7360-pci |
| 01:33.13 | genr8_ | dka, ahhh this is where the "evdi-dkms" came from |
| 01:33.37 | dka | to be more specific, I installed this, It used to work and I was able to send SMS or use 4G with it, but I don't use it often and I lost it's benefits I dont know when, when I upgraded the kernel probably, long ago. |
| 01:33.54 | mtlsw | dka, do you have like a medical condition of some sort? there's something wrong over here. |
| 01:34.10 | mtlsw | dka, it's ok to say it, because I can tell you have real life issues. |
| 01:34.18 | mtlsw | dka, you're very repetitive. |
| 01:34.25 | dka | mtlsw, I do, I am hyperactive and stressed, probably because of my childhood condition, should we fix that first ? |
| 01:34.27 | dka | x] |
| 01:34.47 | mtlsw | dka, try to read up about those things that "!" the dpkg factoid pointed out, if you're interested on what dkms is about that you mention a million times. |
| 01:35.01 | dka | I did read every dot |
| 01:35.02 | mtlsw | dka, ok. you do have issues. That' why I was patient. |
| 01:35.11 | mtlsw | dka, and I did provide an answer to your questions. |
| 01:35.29 | mtlsw | dka, DKMS -- as I said at least couple times, pertains to "driver source code" |
| 01:35.37 | mtlsw | dka, if you don't know what it is, you don't need it. |
| 01:35.47 | mtlsw | dka, that doesn't mean you need to remove packages. Just leave it as is. |
| 01:35.52 | mtlsw | dka, and it'll be fine. |
| 01:35.57 | dka | I got it 100% |
| 01:36.37 | dka | what about the google-chrome-stable issue? Won't you advise on that one too ? |
| 01:36.39 | mtlsw | you can /msg dpkg on terms and that factoid can also point out things to help out while learning debian |
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| 01:36.43 | genr8_ | I'm not convinced this "displaylink-debian" would have worked anyway, judging from the code thats on this github anyway. |
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| 01:37.04 | mtlsw | and I answered the issue around the google-chrome issue -- I did say about checking your X logs, but you refused to do that as well. |
| 01:37.20 | mtlsw | so that's why I disgressed and signaled good-luck to your endeavors. |
| 01:37.22 | dka | genr8_, it used to work, on jessie with a x1 carbon gen 1, now I gave up, I don't use that screen since I only use linux and it does not work with debian, only with ubuntu, apparently, and it's not so good |
| 01:37.36 | genr8_ | the kernel versions dont match |
| 01:37.45 | genr8_ | maybe it was an older kernel then |
| 01:37.47 | dka | mtlsw, did I refuse or did I get lost in the mutliple parallele discussion? I am checking them right now. |
| 01:37.58 | mtlsw | dka, so how long you've been using linux? |
| 01:38.37 | dka | intensively, 7y, but I am in it for about double, and I am reading on it since I am kid, i started with mandrake linux |
| 01:38.59 | mtlsw | dka, mandrake came out in the 1990's. |
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| 01:39.05 | mtlsw | dka, that's more than 20 years ago. |
| 01:39.08 | mtlsw | !ops dka trolling |
| 01:39.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: mtlsw complains about a problem (see above) |
| 01:39.11 | dka | but that's just for doing web development. It's probably not the same usage as you |
| 01:39.21 | dka | mtlsw, well it's true, I am not trolling |
| 01:39.27 | dka | how would I know that name ??? |
| 01:39.38 | mtlsw | because I've been using Linux for 20 years. |
| 01:39.43 | dka | all I did with mandrake was ruining ruining it ruining it |
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| 01:40.08 | dka | well, I can tell you had a CD and I was in high school |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | maybe you two should put each other on /ignore ? |
| 01:40.34 | genr8_ | lol @ pinging 20 ops |
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| 01:40.43 | mtlsw | abrotman, I suppose that individual is very noisy-cluttery -- despite how much help me and genr8_ provide to him on solutions he just ignores all answers we provide to him. |
| 01:40.43 | dka | I installed in on a given server, a big Dell things, it was horrible, I didn t get anything, was reading linux for dummies, all I do was destroying it not on purpose, long after I went into a company and fixed what I was doing wrong, at least a little |
| 01:40.46 | dka | but that's off topics |
| 01:41.00 | dka | ok |
| 01:41.04 | abrotman | then use #debian-offtopic ? |
| 01:41.06 | dka | Sorry for this, I am out |
| 01:41.09 | genr8_ | i have no issue with dka |
| 01:41.33 | dka | things mtlsw should rest |
| 01:41.48 | abrotman | move on, eat tacos, drink a beer .. |
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| 01:44.09 | mtlsw | drink beer I will do! |
| 01:44.45 | mtlsw | takes a big sip ** gloo gloo gloo ** |
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| 01:46.08 | mtlsw | not referring to "that" |
| 01:46.33 | mtlsw | for whatever record I recall last mandark release was around 2011 -- but it wasn't even called that anymore -- it was name change years prior as well. |
| 01:46.38 | mtlsw | :) |
| 01:47.27 | mtlsw | resurrected projects around its base are connected to mageia, pclinuxos, and of course the respun/revitalized Mandriva-->to "OpenMandriva" iirc around 2013-2015... |
| 01:47.51 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 01:47.52 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:48.12 | mtlsw | hides and takes a long sighing break from nonsense. :) |
| 01:52.21 | alex11 | debian sucks! ubuntu forever. |
| 01:52.24 | alex11 | sorry, trying to be edgy |
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| 02:02.08 | leoni | mtlsw: Hey, I'm sorry for not replying earlier, your message at 20:44 I mean. I already added the contrib and non-free repositories because my computer needed those anyways. But thanks. |
| 02:05.22 | mtlsw | leoni, good -- but you'd be delighted to know, that the reason why I mention the "unofficial" (but it is hosted on the debian official servers -- and is safe) installer, is because some network cards require the "non-free" firmware in order to work -- so you're stuck in this catch-22 situation... |
| 02:06.13 | mtlsw | leoni, so it might be a good idea to keep this in mind, when you install debian, and it "fails" the network, but Ubuntu/Mint etc work because those distributions come with the non-free firmware on their installers.. |
| 02:06.52 | mtlsw | leoni, (and ^ that I mean the "official" Debian installer, which does not come with the non-free firmware) |
| 02:07.35 | mtlsw | leoni, (-- which you then added the non-free repositories with apt --- but then of course your "network" should already be happy enough with what is installed) ... glad it worked. :) |
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| 04:03.25 | willow_ | anyone tried Microsoft Edge yet? |
| 04:04.44 | willow_ | not a big fan of it but am going to test it. https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/ |
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| 04:10.20 | leoni | Is this real? |
| 04:10.54 | willow_ | yes they just released a "dev" version for Linux with a .deb you can install. am trying it. it's actually pretty good |
| 04:12.25 | leoni | Wait what. |
| 04:12.32 | leoni | I wasnt referring to that but ok. |
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| 04:21.14 | incal | hi guys, is there an apt -history # ish command that will output every pack that you have installed from the repos? TIA |
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| 04:21.59 | leoni | apt list --installed? |
| 04:22.32 | themill | "dpkg -l" |
| 04:22.59 | leoni | Oh, dpkg seems more detailed. |
| 04:23.13 | themill | Depends on what the info is needed for |
| 04:23.28 | leoni | Agreed. |
| 04:24.19 | leoni | I'm still fairly new to Debian but I had read some of dpkg's manual, I don't remember much of it because I mostly use apt. |
| 04:24.43 | leoni | But now that I see the -l option, it seems far more readable than apt list --installed. |
| 04:25.18 | themill | apt's output tells you where the package may have come from which is handy |
| 04:25.45 | themill | apt's output is also very easy to process via awk and friends if you want it |
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| 04:26.51 | leoni | I'm still really bad with regex so I don't use things like grep and awk too often, I mostly remember basic regex and that's it. But I don't really have a need for it either, for now. |
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| 05:06.03 | leoni | Good night folks. |
| 05:06.14 | ax562 | gn |
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| 05:31.07 | aliceussr | Hello! I detect security issies with packages: exim4, exim4-light - its packages have suid in debian and devuan repositories - it`s is viruses or troyans! |
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| 05:33.32 | jelly | aliceussr: setuid on executables serve a specific purpose, if an application is designed to need them, it probably needs them to continue working correctly |
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| 05:34.05 | aliceussr | jelly: The mta agent does not need suid. It works great without it. And with it, he independently changes the logging security settings. |
| 05:34.50 | aliceussr | Ok! Deal with this security issue as you wish. I warned you about the potential danger and compromise of Debian-based systems with exim4 * packages installed |
| 05:35.05 | aliceussr | I told you something new: after installing these packages, the security settings in the system change. |
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| 05:37.16 | jelly | aliceussr: this channel is an end-user support channel; if you know of a way to reduce attack surface and keep the functionality intact, please file a bug report |
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| 05:37.20 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 05:37.20 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 05:38.05 | themill | You'll just need a new way to bind port 25 and to deliver mail securely to the users. No worries. |
| 05:38.30 | jelly | but but they said things worked great without it! |
| 05:40.00 | another | hm.. why *does* exim need suid? |
| 05:40.54 | another | i mean, it should get started by root anyway |
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| 05:43.47 | incal | apt list --installed, dpkg -l, doesn't matter what is the best, I take both :) |
| 05:43.47 | apt | incal: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:44.02 | incal | leoni, themill, thanks |
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| 05:54.01 | themill | Usually to allow users to send local mail without going via the network |
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| 05:57.16 | another | err.. okay. that is a use case which could be solved by lo |
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| 05:59.18 | themill | Except that you'd then have to have to teach every mail client to talk to the network and there are lots that don't, they just talk to /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 06:24.14 | another | fair point |
| 06:24.39 | another | although, you could simply make sendmail suid |
| 06:25.17 | another | err.. i mean ship a sendmail that does connect to network |
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| 07:00.47 | MagnusOl | Hi will debian switch to the fork of cups https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups ?? |
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| 07:03.48 | tarzeau | MagnusOl: how is it better? |
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| 07:12.49 | jelly | will this be like the libreoffice fork, where debian was already using it all along |
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| 07:13.59 | jelly | > The standard service for printing under Unix, Cups, is used in many Linux distributions and also under Apple's MacOS. Its public development has stagnated since the then main developer Michael Sweet left his employer Apple at the end of last year . With the support of the OpenPrinting project, Sweet has now started a "temporary fork" of Cups, which is supposed to collect bug fixes and patches from distributions . |
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| 07:34.21 | genr8_ | this article came out last week https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/15/apple_cups_develoment/ |
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| 08:55.56 | deadrom | hi. previously: banged together low power pc from leftovers, at the core embeded Celeron J1900 board with integrated graphics and boatloads of random crashes trying to pull backups from an NFSv4 server. for shits and giggles tried via CIFS. machine did not crash overnight, but cifs module had a world class fit: http://paste.debian.net/1168247/ |
| 08:56.39 | deadrom | couple minutes before that X reset the i915 module. not sure if there is a correlation. |
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| 08:57.55 | ksk | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 08:57.56 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u6; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u7; buster-backports: 5.8.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.8.14-1; sid: 5.9.1-1 |
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| 08:59.54 | deadrom | I installed the intel microcode package and created an xorg.conf explicitly stating intel video drivers as I was told random system freezes in debian 10 might go away then. did not: NFS transfer still crashed the machine. now unsure: cifs issue or is that hardware simply shot? intel has a history of neglecting old iGPU hardwware after a while and |
| 08:59.54 | deadrom | the J1900 iGPU has a couple years on its back, so possibly a vector. |
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| 09:15.58 | jelly | deadrom: unless you get your hands on a kernel panic trace, it'll be hard to tell |
| 09:16.13 | jelly | does that atom have pstore? Or a serial port? |
| 09:16.39 | jelly | oh, nor atom, celeron |
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| 10:00.42 | deadrom | jelly, funny thing is the machine is still working. everything else so far is fine and dandy. can ssh in, do things etc. |
| 10:01.17 | deadrom | so I can pull and info you fancy right from the machine. |
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| 10:02.58 | jelly | try a differeny kernel version for fun, then |
| 10:05.42 | ws2k3 | i have a question. im researching on a project where i would like to setup a ssh server where users can upload files. and im thinking of i should go with proftpd or i just should just sshd. cause the setup with sshd requires chroot and everything to be setup. my feeling is that proftpd handles this a bit better. but i was curious what the opinion here would be on this matter. |
| 10:06.04 | ksk | !ftpmustdie |
| 10:06.05 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . For authenticated file transfer, ask me about <sftp>. For unauthenticated download, HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . Debian ceased offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
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| 10:06.32 | ksk | ws2k3: just use sshd with sftp-only (or internal-sftp? kind of mixing them up all the time..) and chroot it. Its really just 3 or 4 things you have to edit for that |
| 10:08.20 | jelly | ksk: proftpd can do sftp these days I think |
| 10:08.32 | ksk | ws2k3: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SFTP_chroot looks reasonable to me, though as it is arch it migt not be 1:1 fit |
| 10:08.42 | ws2k3 | ok thx ksk |
| 10:08.53 | ws2k3 | ksk: then i will follow down that path |
| 10:09.01 | ksk | Yes it can, but I stand by my argument, that proftpd itself sucks ;) |
| 10:09.32 | jelly | perhaps, I haven't used it in a decade or more, it did its job back then |
| 10:09.35 | ksk | If you have proftpd running already for your ftp needs, okay. I personally would just not pull it in for sftp applications. |
| 10:09.56 | ws2k3 | we currently run public ftp but i would like to get rid of this |
| 10:10.18 | jelly | home dirs for sftp-only upload require some setup each time a user is added or removed |
| 10:10.54 | ksk | You can also hack it into pam (flashbacks incoming). |
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| 10:11.50 | jelly | we didn't have a lot of requirements, a) separate upload dir for each user b) logs, and it got a bit complex. Not too much. |
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| 10:12.18 | ksk | (like, dynamicly created read-only unionfs/bind-mount based homedirs on user login) |
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| 10:16.14 | deadrom | jelly, another 4.x or rather 5? |
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| 10:17.02 | jelly | deadrom: whatever you got nearby. If it's debian 10, there's a 5.something in buster-backports |
| 10:17.19 | jelly | remember to also grab firmware from there |
| 10:17.26 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 10:17.26 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 10:18.12 | deadrom | jelly, if that's ok with X and DRI to go with nvidia... (not installed for debugging right now but will be in the final build... if this crate ever runs smooth) |
| 10:18.44 | jelly | oh, you have an nvidia card in there? that can introduce all sorts of instability |
| 10:19.17 | jelly | disregards if you just plan to put it and it's not there right now |
| 10:34.33 | dka | I am on an updated debian buster system, on linux 5.8. I have issue with google chrome, I can use it minimized, but as soon as I maximize or full screen it's windows, the content is frozen, I can recover by minimnizing or exiting full screen. This is painful for web development, watching video in full screen, I am stuck, it used to work, no clue what changed. How can I fix chrome ? |
| 10:37.10 | ksk | dka: since "google chrome" is not part of Debian, eh, ask Google? ;) |
| 10:38.12 | ksk | there is chromium available, but I have heard it does not have the best support (meaning versions are outdated, stuff might not work for some users) |
| 10:38.12 | dka | this sounds to be an issue with xvideo-org not chrome |
| 10:39.01 | ksk | dka: If you can reproduce the issue with firefox-esr from Buster it could be, why not. |
| 10:40.03 | dka | I can't |
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| 10:40.47 | dka | I don't get something ksk, about chromium. I am using google-chrome-stable downloaded from chrome website |
| 10:41.24 | dka | when I run in my cmd google-chrome-stable --help, I get at the end the feeling that it is already chromium: https://termbin.com/coky |
| 10:41.50 | ksk | Google Chrome is based upon Chromium. |
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| 10:48.43 | willow_ | dka: install the chromium snap |
| 10:49.55 | ratrace | what for? apt install chromium |
| 10:50.19 | willow_ | more recent version and will automatically stay updated |
| 10:50.51 | willow_ | i use snaps for a lot of apps now |
| 10:51.17 | ratrace | why not switch to ubuntu then, it's native there |
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| 10:51.47 | willow_ | because i like debian? |
| 10:52.31 | ksk | But you are not using it, kind of :P |
| 10:52.34 | willow_ | not sure what you mean by native on ubuntu. i have one 18.04 LTS server and it still uses apt/dpkg |
| 10:52.55 | ksk | Ubunt is like "we dont actually supply software XY via package, since there is a snap" |
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| 10:53.04 | ratrace | willow_: I mean snapd is designed for, default and integrated on ubuntu. it is not on debian and some snaps don't work without further fiddling with config |
| 10:53.36 | willow_ | i only use snaps for a few things: eclipse, intellij. android-studio, libreoffice, etc. - versions are always current and they are automatically updated. |
| 10:53.51 | ratrace | despite their claims, snaps really aren't cross-platform and frankly not even on ubuntu (some snaps fail to run on 16.04 for example) |
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| 10:54.11 | drl | Where can I find makeinfo for Linux Buster? |
| 10:54.21 | ratrace | willow_: well, if it works for you... .:) |
| 10:54.23 | willow_ | ratrace: not sure what you mean "not on debian". apt install snapd now it's on! |
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| 10:55.06 | willow_ | and in my experience it works great. only a couple minor sandbox-related issues may occur with some apps, need to use --no-sandbox switch |
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| 10:55.35 | ratrace | installing snaps doesn't integrate well on debian is what I mean |
| 10:55.42 | dka | What is better for working on debian ? Chromium or chrome ? If chrome is a fork of chromium, is it just for keeping things up to date (ksk stated chromium as a poor support) |
| 10:56.26 | willow_ | i don't notice any problems. seems to integrate will AFAICT. as I mentioned, a couple minor sandbox-related issues. for example atom editor must be launched with atom --no-sandbox |
| 10:56.27 | dka | Chromium can full screen |
| 10:56.59 | ratrace | willow_: that's okay, you're only using a few snaps that, luckily, worked out of the box :) |
| 10:57.18 | garo | From https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/ : "Security updates have been discontinued as of July 6th, 2020. " |
| 10:57.22 | willow_ | but yes, i would not want to use snap for system-related stuff like postfix, nginx, etc. |
| 10:57.22 | garo | But this is followed by "However, stretch benefits from Long Term Support (LTS) until the end of June 2022." |
| 10:57.56 | ratrace | garo: "LTS" is only a subset of community effort to keep it patched |
| 10:58.02 | garo | Isn't the whole idea of LTS to pr provide security updates ? |
| 10:58.13 | ratrace | it's not the regular debian secteam's job for example |
| 10:58.21 | willow_ | dka: chromium is better - it's de-Googleized Chrome |
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| 10:58.34 | ratrace | garo: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/FAQ |
| 10:58.53 | ratrace | between chrome and chromium, I'd always install Firefox :) |
| 10:59.16 | garo | So it boils down to "We won't do it but there are probably enough volunteers that will", right ? |
| 10:59.20 | dka | How can I sync chromium with my google account ? I 'll switch to it |
| 10:59.33 | ratrace | garo: %s/enough/some/ and you got it :) |
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| 10:59.33 | dka | (in order to get my bookmarks back) |
| 10:59.46 | joepublic | chromium is in no way de-googlized |
| 10:59.59 | ratrace | dka: start chromium follow the "sign up to google account!" nagware popups |
| 11:00.26 | dka | I didn't have it |
| 11:00.37 | willow_ | i just tried the new Microsoft "dev" .deb release of Edge. it's actually pretty decent but not what i would use. it's also based on chromium |
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| 11:00.48 | ratrace | garo: personally I think the whole concept of LTS debian is moot. if someone really has such needs, then RHEL and maybe CentOS are way better fits. |
| 11:01.17 | willow_ | https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/ |
| 11:01.28 | ratrace | garo: ubuntu even , if one really wants to remain within the .deb paradigm |
| 11:02.10 | willow_ | i've always thought of debian/stable as being LTS, and preferable to LTS version of e.g. Ubuntu |
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| 11:02.52 | ratrace | willow_: except L for debian stable is really only 2 years. ubuntu is 5, or 10 for paid support |
| 11:03.36 | willow_ | ratrace: i guess that would be good for the army or something where they would not upgrade their system for like 20 years ;-) |
| 11:03.50 | ratrace | and if one needs actual long term support (you have enterprisey software under "don't touch!" conditions) then it's only in their best to pay up for such support |
| 11:04.29 | willow_ | missle-silo OS LOL |
| 11:04.49 | garo | I'm replacing someone that was managing some servers, so i run "lsb_release -r" |
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| 11:04.59 | ratrace | willow_: and banks, and a lot of enterprises with huge IT networks and applications running for decades now |
| 11:05.03 | garo | "Release: 7.11" |
| 11:05.17 | ratrace | garo: apt upgrade :) |
| 11:05.18 | garo | That will be a LOT of work :-( |
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| 11:06.03 | garo | I hope I'll be able to skip 8 and 9 and jump to 10 immediately... |
| 11:06.04 | ratrace | garo: probably less work when that server gets compromised. |
| 11:06.13 | ratrace | garo: less work THAN when .... |
| 11:06.28 | ratrace | garo: you can't unless you wipe and reinstall |
| 11:06.42 | garo | sounds like less work :-) |
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| 11:07.00 | ratrace | garo: what services is that running? |
| 11:07.18 | garo | I'll do it in steps anyway otherwise i'll miss configs, data, ... |
| 11:07.48 | ratrace | garo: maybe it'd be way better to install 10 in a VM, install services, configure, test them, and if all is fine, just repeat the procedure for production |
| 11:07.55 | ratrace | automating that with something like ansible will help quite a lot |
| 11:08.59 | Matrox | what is this about? in apt-get update: E: Release file for http://debian.noc.ntua.gr/debian/dists/buster-updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 14h 43min 3s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 11:09.30 | garo | there are too much services running: i'll do just have to do in steps so that i don't miss anything |
| 11:09.48 | ratrace | garo: i'd really recommend the VM way |
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| 11:10.08 | ratrace | unless you're okay with services failing and general downtime until you catch up with major config changes and backward incompatibilities |
| 11:10.13 | Matrox | should i somehow notify them? change server in apt/sources , or just wait? |
| 11:10.28 | willow_ | remebers my last major upgrade and dealing with postgres pg_upgradecluster and a bunch of dovecot conf file changes. not fun. |
| 11:10.31 | ratrace | Matrox: yes |
| 11:10.39 | garo | ok, i'll follow your suggestion. I have backups anyway |
| 11:11.58 | ratrace | postgres upgrades will be a mess, because you need both bins for every upgrade step. better dump and restore |
| 11:12.56 | willow_ | IIRC i had to upgrade minor versions incrementally before it allowed to upgrade to the next major version |
| 11:13.21 | ratrace | yes because in postgres the minor versions WERE major vesions until 10.x |
| 11:13.32 | willow_ | basically it *wasn't smooth* :-/ |
| 11:13.46 | jelly | Matrox: if it's a mirror in the official lists, there are automated tests in place which will detect their mirror's gone too old (that happens after 14 days of no updates I think) |
| 11:14.06 | ratrace | now 10.x, 11.x, 12.x are whwat 9.7.x, 9.8.x and 9.9.x would've been |
| 11:14.10 | jelly | pick a different one in the meantime |
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| 11:15.02 | willow_ | also picking through dovecot's multifarious conf files *wasn't smooth* LOL |
| 11:15.19 | Matrox | jelly, so main debian mirrors are 14 days ahead of me? |
| 11:16.04 | ratrace | willow_: that switch from one to gazillion confs was very stupid. I kept on single dovecot.conf even today. |
| 11:16.47 | jelly | Matrox: that mirror is more than 14 days behind. |
| 11:16.50 | willow_ | ratrace: :-) |
| 11:17.42 | jelly | ratrace: i like being able to put only local modifications into a local.conf |
| 11:18.10 | ratrace | jelly: well fine that's a single (and default) include_try, and basically still one file to maintain |
| 11:18.22 | garo | hm, seems to run subversion, i wonder if that will be easy to upgrade... |
| 11:18.25 | garo | Who even uses this ? Couldn't they just from CVS to git |
| 11:18.37 | garo | s/just/just switch/ |
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| 11:19.13 | ratrace | garo: BSDs use svn and cvs. then again they still think it's 1980s and everything is a text file. |
| 11:19.47 | jelly | garo: LTS isn't done by volunteers, it's a paid effort separate from Debian Security Team |
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| 11:21.34 | jelly | going 7 -> 8 -> 9 -> 10 is not too many steps |
| 11:21.55 | jelly | if you have enough debian experience already |
| 11:22.26 | ratrace | "apt ugprade" itself maybe isn't, but config changes and other things packages specific may be an epic weeklong endeavor. |
| 11:22.37 | garo | but it will take a long time... |
| 11:22.54 | garo | a really, really, long time |
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| 11:22.55 | ratrace | VM, install, configure, test, and redeploy in prod when ready. |
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| 11:25.52 | jelly | on one hand, that's true if you want to make everything work for each release upgrade. But you don't have to. |
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| 11:26.24 | jelly | so apache access rules break after 7 -> 8? Don't care, fix them when you get to 10 |
| 11:26.56 | shtrb | how can I duplicate audio on several outputs at once , I wish to connect three headsets and for each to play the same audio |
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| 11:28.14 | jelly | garo: it's 2-4 hours per release upgrade if it's not your first time doing that particular step. So 6-12 hours, and then a week fixing things at the worst |
| 11:28.46 | jelly | doing a fresh install is always nice, but one of the nice things about Debian is you don't _have to_ |
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| 11:29.44 | shtrb | jelly, assuming you CAN fix it |
| 11:30.16 | jelly | shtrb: I can always fix it. |
| 11:30.40 | shtrb | you, maybe , the rest of us not so much :D |
| 11:30.55 | jelly | or at least, haven't found a release upgrade issue that couldn't be fixed, going from Debian 2.1 until now |
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| 11:31.29 | shtrb | RIP KDE` 3.5 , no plasma fix can fix it to this day :) |
| 11:32.10 | jelly | it's go basic functionality that I need, even if it had to be configured anew |
| 11:33.06 | jelly | and component apps can be ignored or replaced. amarok 2 sucks? clementine is good enough. |
| 11:34.12 | shtrb | isn't clementine dead project ? |
| 11:35.14 | jelly | that was just an example. I don't know how dead it is, it still works and is installable. |
| 11:35.50 | shtrb | ,v clementine |
| 11:35.52 | judd | Package: clementine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1; buster: 1.3.1+git609-g623a53681+dfsg-1; bullseye: 1.4.0~rc1+git174-gcb64d9705+dfsg-2+b2; sid: 1.4.0~rc1+git346-g4e3e9c8d1+dfsg-1 |
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| 12:03.51 | deadrom | jelly the nv was not in until a moment ago, which indeed introduces a new thing, it recovers every couple seconds telling from Xorg.0.log. but otherwise I have been a hppy nv/linux users for *years* |
| 12:05.51 | shtrb | jelly, do you have a clue about my question about duplicting audio source ? |
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| 12:07.50 | jelly | shtrb: no |
| 12:08.51 | shtrb | :-/ thnaks |
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| 12:10.03 | jelly | PA usually has a virtual sink called something like "Simultaneous output to every-audio-card-in-the-system" |
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| 12:10.42 | jelly | but you've probably already seen that, and I have no info how to generalize that |
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| 12:11.59 | jelly | shtrb: saying "rtfm" seems useless, so if that's the best I can say, I keep quiet. That also means you don't have to ask me if I know something about foo separately. If I knew, and I had the time, I'd have commented. |
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| 12:14.30 | deadrom | shtrb, only skimmed the chat, but do you know of Trinity Desktop? based on last 3.5. not too active but works. |
| 12:14.31 | shtrb | thanks |
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| 12:17.28 | shtrb | yes i know , every day I promise to myself I would move back to it as soon as I could , and I fail (as it is also not in debian as far as I remember ) |
| 12:18.10 | shtrb | ,v trinity |
| 12:18.11 | judd | Package: trinity on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3-1; stretch: 1.7-1; buster: 1.8-6; bullseye: 1.9+git20200331.4d2343bd18c7b-1; sid: 1.9+git20200331.4d2343bd18c7b-1 |
| 12:18.19 | shtrb | oh bummer , sorry |
| 12:18.38 | jelly | that might be a different thing |
| 12:18.45 | shtrb | it is |
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| 12:23.30 | willow_ | shtrb: maybe this is useful to you: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-enable-multiple-simultaneous-audio-outputs-on-pulseaudio-in-linux |
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| 12:29.53 | shtrb | Thank you willow_ and jelly , I will revise what I had done maybe I had missed some intellectually chalenged thing |
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| 12:40.32 | norbert | yo yo yo |
| 12:40.45 | norbert | I have a question; why does the former give 0 results and the latter 2? |
| 12:40.49 | norbert | @ren /home/norbert # apt search e-book|grep calibre |
| 12:40.49 | norbert | @ren /home/norbert # apt search calibre|grep e-book |
| 12:40.49 | norbert | p calibre - powerful and easy to use e-book manager |
| 12:40.49 | norbert | p calibre-bin - powerful and easy to use e-book manager |
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| 12:41.31 | norbert | little weird that when I search for e-book, there's calibre with e-book in its description, yet it's not showing up... |
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| 13:05.58 | deadrom | aptitude -t buster-backports search nvidia <- won't list the nvidia 450 driver from buster-backports. how do I properly search the bp repos? |
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| 13:14.11 | hmuller | norbert: I get two results for the first, calibre and calibre-bin |
| 13:14.58 | avu | me too. But they're gone |
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| 13:25.00 | codedmart | I tried running `sudo btrfs fi du / -s` and I get a few "failed to walk dir/file: ... permission denied" messages and then `ERROR: cannot check space of '/': Permission denied`? |
| 13:25.33 | LtL | deadrom: apt search nvidia wil show all matches from backports, and all sources |
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| 13:38.10 | deadrom | speaking of apt: does it have a single-line mode? |
| 13:39.49 | Brigo | deadrom, ? |
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| 13:40.58 | deadrom | wel,, like aptitude search. the apt multi line format is messy to me |
| 13:41.20 | deadrom | LtL, did not add contrib and non-free.. my fault |
| 13:43.25 | Brigo | deadrom, i didn't even know apt has multi line mode. I have ever used it single line. |
| 13:43.52 | deadrom | Brigo, when you apt search the output is across 3 lines |
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| 13:44.21 | deadrom | ...per match |
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| 13:48.45 | Brigo | ah, the output, right, i was thinking about the input, sorry. |
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| 13:49.20 | Brigo | deadrom, use apt-cache search |
| 13:51.29 | Brigo | deadrom, and you can try axi-cache too, is faster and a bit weird. |
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| 13:52.55 | LtL | deadrom: aptitude search outputs a wide format, on a small screen i imagine multiple lines would be normal. when i do aptitude search i get only one line entries |
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| 13:54.53 | deadrom | Brigo, when I use apt-cache, say apt-cache search intel-microcode it shows me the package name, but not which repos it was found in. |
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| 13:55.44 | deadrom | LtL, yes, and I'd like apt to put all in one line like aptitude. I'll live, but does not help with clarity. |
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| 14:26.56 | deadrom | jelly, nv450+5.8.0 from backports, same recovery errors in Xorg.0.log |
| 14:27.13 | deadrom | either hardware or something about that pcie stunt I'm unaware of |
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| 14:29.36 | deadrom | only other board I have right now is legacy, non uefi - does anything speak against using that? |
| 14:30.27 | n4dir | when using "apt-cache search" pattern with special characters, man apt-get says it uses . ? and * as regular expressions, while man apt-cache speaks of Posix regular expressions. How does it look at a "+" in the search pattern ? |
| 14:31.07 | n4dir | to put it different: how to search for a pattern with a + character in it (and, if possible, why) ? |
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| 14:40.41 | pathompong | Hello everybody, I have a little problem about autoScorlling. I've searched and found that my 'Page Down' key is auto-pressing. The problem is like the one which is demostrated in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOVa5ZhUxnI. |
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| 14:41.49 | delial | @n4dir, you need 2 backslashes to get a backslash to escape the + sign: apt-cache search \\+ |
| 14:42.12 | pathompong | The video's solution is by downloade Keytweak, which I guess not work in Debian. But if it works then it is not by free software way. Does anybody have any idea how to fix it? |
| 14:42.18 | n4dir | delial: ok, and why? |
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| 14:44.19 | n4dir | is it seen as a regex? that is my question? and by apt-cache ? |
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| 14:46.38 | pathompong | My laptop is acer E5-572G-78HY. And this problem has been arising since this week. It's maybe affected by some update/upgrade? |
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| 14:48.07 | pathompong | I've tried to use backward kernel but the problem didn't solved. Now my 'uname -a' command show me my machine system is Linux aceraspiree15 4.19.0-10-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.132-1 (2020-07-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:49.11 | delial | n4dir: `apt-cache search` expects a regex, and backslashes have meaning in bash so they need to be escaped. Interestingly, `apt-get install` has special handling for '+' and '-', so it first tries to see if you want to add/remove the package before falling back to a posix regex if the package name has a '.', '?', or '*' |
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| 14:49.46 | n4dir | delial: ok, thanks a lot. I think i got it. |
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| 14:51.43 | pathompong | Or I need to do something with my hardware? |
| 14:51.46 | delial | Hello, newb contributor here. I have a manpage to contribute to resolve a bug, but I'm not sure the process for contributing it. Should I just email it to the package maintainer? |
| 14:53.42 | greycat | Attach it in your email to the bug. |
| 14:54.50 | delial | greycat: thx! |
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| 15:39.38 | zerocool | hey ya'll. im experiencing something weird. i have a dell pe t440, stock nics (broadcom netxtreme bcm5720), used the non-free firmware media for installation (debian 10), fully updated. |
| 15:39.54 | zerocool | problem is, i cannot seem to vlan. |
| 15:40.33 | zerocool | /etc/network/interfaces is configured properly but the only network i'm getting is native vlan/untagged |
| 15:41.09 | zerocool | when i change the native vlan on the switch port, i dhcp to the proper network. |
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| 15:42.11 | zerocool | in /etc/modules i have... 8021q, vhost_net, loop, lp, rtc, bonding. |
| 15:42.37 | sney | even with the firmware I'd trust bnx2 about as far as I could throw the whole server. maybe check if something is disabled in the bios? otherwise better gigabit nics are not super expensive |
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| 15:43.31 | zerocool | sney: you know... i haven't checked bios, can't imagine why i'd have to do that but never know. :) thanks for the suggestion |
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| 16:25.23 | jhutchins | zerocool: Basic network troubleshooting. Ping localhost, ping local DHCP/Gateway, ping 8.8.8.8, ping google.com. |
| 16:25.49 | jhutchins | zerocool: Ping the system you're trying to connect from, ping from that system to your host. |
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| 16:37.53 | karlpinc | What package has the gcc docs? (I'm looking for cpp, but can't seem to find any of the docs for some reason.) |
| 16:38.57 | karlpinc | !tell delial about reportbug |
| 16:39.04 | karlpinc | delial: In case you don't know. |
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| 16:42.53 | delial | karlpinc: I already sent it in via bugs.debian.org, but thx for the info! reportbug is awesome! |
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| 16:51.55 | genr8_ | I have a bug too |
| 16:52.18 | genr8_ | i'm getting a lot of segfaults in libglib2.0-0 |
| 16:53.03 | genr8_ | xfce4-panel[1808]: segfault at 1e ip 00007d0eb94629ea sp 00007fff4d4d4580 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.5800.3[7d0eb9412000+7e000] xfdesktop[1812]: segfault at 1e ip 00007c048154e9ea sp 00007ffec5179ba0 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.5800.3[7c04814fe000+7e000] gmain[2088]: segfault at 1e ip 00007bd3ac6339ea sp 00007bd3a9b94470 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.5800.3[7bd3ac5e3000+7e000] traps: mate-system-log[1715] trap int3 ip:7ecd6d712c75 sp:7ffde935b270 |
| 16:53.03 | genr8_ | error:0 in libglib-2.0.so.0.5800.3[7ecd6d6da000+7e000] |
| 16:53.40 | genr8_ | the mate-system-log one gave me some clues : ../../../../gtk/gtktextbtree.c:4041: byte index off the end of the line Byte index 6176 is off the end of the line |
| 16:53.56 | taman | What do the errors at lines 10 and 11 mean in <https://paste.debian.net/1168293/> ? It didn't stop wlan0 from getting an ip address so does they matter? |
| 16:54.09 | taman | s/does/do/ |
| 16:54.26 | jelly | karlpinc: gcc docs are not free by DFSG standards; you have to enable contrib and non-free sources to be able to install gcc-doc |
| 16:54.45 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 16:54.45 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 16:54.49 | karlpinc | jelly: Should have thought of that. Thanks. |
| 16:54.50 | sney | taman: looks like dhclient tried to send a bigger packet than your link supported, but was able to negotiate the right size afterwards |
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| 16:55.33 | sney | genr8_: to keep following that thread, see https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace, though glib2.0 stuff is usually very stable so you may want to test your memory as well. |
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| 16:55.56 | taman | sney, ok... I don't think I've seen it before. This is is since I've configured wireguard. It isn't stopping me using irc for example. |
| 16:56.03 | genr8_ | yea that was my next question |
| 16:56.14 | genr8_ | I should be able to replicate the crash |
| 16:56.15 | taman | Is that a Known Thing? |
| 16:57.47 | sney | if it's a wireguard interaction it might be known somewhere, but wg isn't widespread enough yet for stuff like that to be common knowledge |
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| 16:58.04 | sney | but if it's not breaking anything I wouldn't worry about it |
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| 16:59.56 | taman | sney, thanks... I'm a pioneer! |
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| 17:11.16 | astronavt | how are users meant to use 'webext-*' packages? |
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| 17:13.26 | astronavt | e.g. in firefox, if i do `apt install webext-ublock-origin-firefox`, will it be added to FF automatically, as if i had added it through the firefox addons interface? or will i need to add it manually somehow? |
| 17:14.19 | sney | afaik it will be added automatically. you may need to restart the browser. |
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| 17:37.12 | karlpinc | jelly: AFAICT there are no gcc-7 doc packages. https://sources.debian.org/search/gcc/ So, no gcc docs in buster. (That's ... odd.) |
| 17:37.18 | dead | well this is a very odd problem...all of the sudden when I try to take a screenshot with `import` command. Awesome-window manager stops responding, until the screenshot is taken |
| 17:37.45 | dead | I can't switch screens or anything, it just freezes the display until I take screenshot...never had this issue in my life wtf? |
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| 17:38.06 | karlpinc | dead: (Dunno. I use scrot, if you want to try a work-around.) |
| 17:38.08 | dead | if i switch screens, after the snapshot, it goes to that screen like it did switch but the video didn't update |
| 17:38.11 | dead | very very strange |
| 17:38.33 | jelly | ,depends gcc-doc |
| 17:38.34 | judd | No package named 'gcc-doc' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 17:38.48 | dead | im thinking compositing is causing this or something, let me try scrot |
| 17:39.09 | jelly | ,v gcc-doc |
| 17:39.10 | judd | Package: gcc-doc on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3; stretch/contrib: 5:6.1.0-1; buster-backports/contrib: 5:8.3.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 5:10.1.0-1; sid/contrib: 5:10.1.0-1 |
| 17:39.19 | jelly | huh! |
| 17:39.54 | jelly | karlpinc: I guess they were buggy? you got backports of gcc-8-doc / gcc-doc there |
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| 17:40.27 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/news/1000584/gcc-doc-defaults-removed-from-testing/ |
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| 18:05.49 | karlpinc | I say we dock the gcc maintainer's pay. |
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| 18:10.42 | jelly | they're getting a 10% reduction from the current 0 |
| 18:11.26 | GNU\colossus | make that a 20% reduction instead, to really drive the message home |
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| 18:12.53 | jelly | Debian Human Resources are not animals. |
| 18:13.10 | jelly | it's 10% and public flogging |
| 18:13.38 | delial | the gcc maintainer: promise? |
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| 19:11.49 | genr8_ | sney, I think its actually a bug. I found out our libgtk-3-0 version 3.24.5-1 is behind, and a fix that I believe to be related was committed in 3.24.19 |
| 19:12.39 | genr8_ | and I got a backtrace thats at least 80% complete. still missing some symbols but its close |
| 19:14.03 | karlpinc | wonders if the gcc maintainers are paid 0 in dollars, euro, or bitcoin -- you know there are tax implications |
| 19:14.54 | greycat | zorkmids |
| 19:14.57 | genr8_ | the problem is theres just so many dang packages to debug when dealing with this. I thought it was confined to one libglib-2.0 but its not, its linked to gtk-3 and gdk-3 as well :/ |
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| 19:20.25 | Brigo | afaik Debian works in dollars :) |
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| 19:31.43 | jelly | Brigo: monopoly dollars, of course |
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| 19:32.59 | Brigo | jelly, really i should have said euros: https://bits.debian.org/2020/10/debian-donation-peertube.html |
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| 19:40.58 | genr8_ | i should donate $1 and tell them to update the https://peertube.live letsencrypt certificate that expired back on august 1st |
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| 20:12.44 | dob1 | the fact that firefox has the title "row" on top is because it is the esr version? |
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| 20:16.00 | jmcnaught | dob1: try going to the menu, then "Customize" and look for the "Title Bar" check box in the bottom left corner. |
| 20:17.03 | dob1 | jmcnaught, ah nice! |
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| 21:31.55 | Mat63 | Hi. What are the characters of: Username and Password. Debian 10 |
| 21:35.06 | c-c | NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9]*\$" |
| 21:35.32 | Mat63 | When you start in advanced options, you need the user to enter username and password. Since it is installed in the magnetic disk it does this and I can not enter until now |
| 21:35.46 | hop | that's not active by default, though |
| 21:37.07 | Mat63 | I apologize, I will check if I have a password |
| 21:37.43 | c-c | I wonder if name regex omits ., - and _ |
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| 21:38.47 | hop | hm. hm. that regex is commented out in my config on a fresh box |
| 21:38.57 | hop | but it still is enforced by adduser |
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| 21:40.05 | hop | c-c: the above regex allows - and digits after the first letter, but nothing else |
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| 21:40.56 | c-c | yep, was confused when asking, shoulda wondered why _ and . are omitted. |
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| 21:41.57 | hop | this is what's hardcoded in adduser as the absolute no-go: /^[_.A-Za-z0-9][-\@_.A-Za-z0-9]*\$?$/ |
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| 21:42.43 | hop | see Debian-exim, etc |
| 21:46.11 | phogg | huh, it allows a username to start with a dot |
| 21:46.28 | hop | phogg: is that a question? |
| 21:46.37 | phogg | that's an exclamation |
| 21:46.42 | hop | ok :) |
| 21:47.17 | greycat | I wouldn't do that, though. Some BSD-based utilities use . as separator between username and groupname (SystemV/POSIX uses : instead). |
| 21:47.21 | hop | it seems to allow names ending with a $ as well |
| 21:47.27 | phogg | super biased of it to permit . and _ but not - as the first character. In practice I would expect bugs if you start a username with anything outside [a-zA-Z] |
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| 21:47.59 | delial | hop: that's what I found weirdest, why optionally one $ at the end? |
| 21:48.00 | phogg | greycat: I thought the BSDs followed along with the switch from . to : |
| 21:48.01 | greycat | Yeah, you definitely want to start your usernames with a letter if at all possible. |
| 21:48.03 | hop | greycat: chown, etc will recognize . as well as :, so yes, bad idea |
| 21:48.23 | phogg | delial: maybe it's a windows compat thing? Some of their special usernames end in $ |
| 21:48.26 | greycat | phogg: I'm referring to historical practice which may linger in some tools, who the hell knows, there are how many thousands of pkgs... |
| 21:48.59 | phogg | greycat: fair enough; just because the standard *officially* changed 20 years ago doesn't mean a little maintained tool won't bite you. |
| 21:49.56 | phogg | I know I've seen code naively doing 'if starts with digit then user ID else user name', and I' |
| 21:50.14 | phogg | I'm sure there must be some out there that does "if starts with alphabetic then username else user ID" |
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| 21:50.41 | phogg | so tl;dr start with a letter unless you like finding bugs |
| 21:51.23 | hop | i wonder whether all this actually has any bearing on their original question⦠|
| 21:51.29 | hop | hard to talk through google translate |
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| 21:52.27 | phogg | hop: it hardly matters now since the dude left |
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| 21:54.46 | hop | i know, i know |
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| 21:55.15 | hop | rh also matches a trailing $. with a different regex, but now reason given, either |
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| 21:56.25 | c-c | hop: so, to prevent trailing dollar sign? |
| 21:57.03 | hop | gah. just go to the man page, stupid. |
| 21:57.05 | hop | "The "$" sign is allowed at the end of usernames (to conform to samba)." |
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| 21:57.44 | phogg | hop: Just as I suspected! |
| 21:58.01 | hop | but now we _know_. science! it works! ;) |
| 21:58.14 | hop | .oO(i should go to bed) |
| 21:58.16 | phogg | It's not science until you blog about it. |
| 21:58.47 | phogg | "The difference between science and just screwing around is writing things down" -- common saying. |
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| 22:01.07 | hop | growing the first primary partition, shrinking the second one and all live with several domUs running without interruption, thoughâ¦Â that's alchemy (: |
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| 22:03.01 | tete_ | hi, i am facing a problem with my mail server. no mails are going through. so i checked the log and it says: Oct 23 00:02:15 server postfix/smtp[3341]: 54FE55FA51: to=<me@xxx.de>, relay=none, delay=0.14, delays=0.12/0.02/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: Connection refused) |
| 22:03.09 | tete_ | but amavis is listening on localhost:10024 |
| 22:03.28 | tete_ | tcp6 0 0 ::1:10024 :::* LISTEN 1634/amavisd-new (m |
| 22:03.41 | hop | tete_: that's a different ip |
| 22:03.50 | tete_ | you mean because ipv6? |
| 22:04.26 | Dagger | not because of IPv6, but because the socket is listening on ::1 while it's trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 22:04.51 | tete_ | but is ::1 not ipv6 127.0.0.1? |
| 22:05.12 | tete_ | also wierd why it does not list the ipv4 connection |
| 22:05.20 | Dagger | ::1 is localhost in v6, 127.0.0.1 is localhost in v4 |
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| 22:05.35 | tete_ | Dagger, thats what i mean |
| 22:05.45 | Mazhive | can somebody explain me why i cant print pdf with cups i tried tons of permissions on the cups PDF folder but still cant get it to work... |
| 22:05.55 | tete_ | so netstat -alpn | grep 10024 should print 2 results? or only the ipv6 one? |
| 22:06.12 | Dagger | if it was listening on :: then the socket would be able to accept v4 connections too, but only sockets listening on :: get that feature, not ::1 |
| 22:06.14 | tete_ | because i had this once that it only printed the ipv6 one (iirc it was apache) but it was listening on ipv4 and ipv6 |
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| 22:07.26 | tete_ | now i did "systemctl restart amavis" and now i have 2 results with netstat :X |
| 22:07.47 | tete_ | but i did not change any configuration... |
| 22:09.26 | tete_ | hm, will have an eye on that... when i reboot the machine the next time |
| 22:09.35 | tete_ | mails go through again, thanks |
| 22:10.05 | tete_ | another question: when i send an email from me2@xxx.de to me@xxx.de with X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* content, it should get rejected/deleted by amavisd shouldnt it? |
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| 22:10.24 | hop | you own xxx.de and still have to work? o.O |
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| 22:10.46 | tete_ | no, its not my domain, that was just an example |
| 22:10.52 | tete_ | should i have taken example.com? :) |
| 22:10.58 | hop | use example.com/.org for obfuscation, if you must |
| 22:11.01 | tete_ | ok |
| 22:11.59 | tete_ | amavis gives me Passed CLEAN {RelayedInbound} but i would have expected something like Failed VIRUS or so..? |
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| 22:13.33 | sney | tete_: that sounds like amavis isn't running it through the clamd (or whatever av daemon you're using) process |
| 22:15.12 | sney | maybe you are filtering the messages within mynetworks less? e.g. from foo@mydomain.com to bar@mydomain.com instead of testing from elsewhere |
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| 22:16.34 | tete_ | hm no it must then be a problem in amavis config, because i see in the log that the message went through amavis but was not blocked |
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| 22:17.06 | sney | amavis is not an antivirus and can't detect the EICAR test file itself, it needs an external program to do that |
| 22:17.14 | tete_ | yes it should use clamd |
| 22:17.30 | tete_ | i found the problem, i disabled for testing the bypass_virus_checks_maps :> |
| 22:17.52 | sney | there you go |
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| 22:58.57 | tete_ | my emails now get dropped and i dont understand why: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5b480481/ |
| 22:59.09 | tete_ | thats what happens when i write from my gmail address to my server, when i write from my server to my server it works |
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| 23:00.07 | tete_ | i modified the main.cf: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4f0ce070/ as mentioned here http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt |
| 23:00.27 | tete_ | i see no reason why its not delivered |
| 23:00.47 | sney | you're trying to use a dnsbl and it's failing on lookup and dropping the mail |
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| 23:02.10 | sney | whenever you're hosting something on the public internet, always be ready to blame dns for your problems. I'm not familiar with dnsblog specifically, but everyone knows what "lookup error, host not found" means |
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| 23:02.28 | tete_ | i also know what it means, but i did not expect that it drops the mail |
| 23:02.40 | tete_ | especially because its dnsWL, not dnsBL |
| 23:04.34 | tete_ | i removed the dnswl entries and still have the same behaviour |
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| 23:07.34 | sney | if dns isn't the problem then it's one of your other rejects. comment them out one by one, keep testing, figure out which one it is. |
| 23:07.57 | sney | I don't have a prod email server anymore so I can't check a working configuration, but I will tell you that it's easy to be too restrictive. |
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