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| 00:13.01 | zerocool | anyone familiar with haproxy? |
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| 01:25.28 | Astro_Flow | Hello, World! |
| 01:26.00 | annadane | Hello, Astro_Flow! |
| 01:29.08 | Astro_Flow | Hello, annadane! |
| 01:30.04 | Astro_Flow | How are things for you in the computer world? @annadane |
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| 01:45.49 | Astro_Flow | Is openvpn specific to companies, or can it be used by an every day user? If so could somebody direct me to how to emplement it? |
| 01:46.49 | sney | anyone can use openvpn, but if you're setting up a vpn for the first time and you can use any software, wireguard is more modern and more simple |
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| 01:47.45 | nvz | yeah but wiregaurd is also fairly new and afaik not really easily buster-friendly yet |
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| 01:47.51 | nvz | ,v wiregaurd |
| 01:47.52 | judd | No package named 'wiregaurd' was found in amd64. |
| 01:48.01 | sney | https://wiki.debian.org/WireGuard |
| 01:48.15 | sney | ,i wireguard --release buster-backports |
| 01:48.19 | judd | Package wireguard (net, optional) in buster-backports/amd64: fast, modern, secure kernel VPN tunnel (metapackage). Version: 1.0.20200513-1~bpo10+1; Size: 8.0k; Installed: 17k; Homepage: https://www.wireguard.com |
| 01:49.02 | nvz | hmm.. I may consider trying this out at some point.. I've read up on it and it does seem a lot simpler than openvpn |
| 01:49.06 | Astro_Flow | I'll look to it, thank you. |
| 01:49.15 | Astro_Flow | afk |
| 01:49.32 | nvz | openvpn strictly p2p between two machines is simple enough.. its when you want multiple endpoints it gets more complicated with the cert setup |
| 01:50.39 | nvz | though many router firmwares out there support openvpn |
| 01:50.49 | Astro_Flow | In your opinion, would "wiregaurd" be better than openvpn? |
| 01:51.00 | sney | better for what? |
| 01:51.34 | nvz | other than typical concerns I have about code maturity.. wanting things to be more mature and tested first.. wiregaurd is probably a better choice for almost any use case or definition of "better" |
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| 01:51.57 | nvz | having looked it over a while back its a very interesting novel approach to VPN |
| 01:52.10 | nvz | and its done at the kernel level |
| 01:52.15 | Astro_Flow | Is one easier to emplement over the other? |
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| 01:52.45 | nvz | implement, and yes.. wiregaurd looks much simpler to setup and because its kernel level, seems far more secure |
| 01:52.59 | Astro_Flow | That' good news @nvz |
| 01:53.17 | nvz | also we dont use the social media conventions like usertags in IRC |
| 01:53.26 | nvz | Astro_Flow: we just do this |
| 01:53.35 | sney | it's basically the same steps for either one (or ipsec/strongswan for that matter) and you do need to understand the basic networking concepts involved. but I have found openvpn unnecessarily complicated in the past |
| 01:53.46 | nvz | irc clients pay no attention to @username stuff |
| 01:54.32 | nvz | yes openvpn especially without some kinda web frontend is a bit cumbersome to setup |
| 01:55.06 | nvz | wiregaurd appeared really straighforward I was just waiting for it to be in debian and a bit more tested before I fooled with it |
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| 01:55.42 | nvz | if we now have the tools and dkms stuff for it I would certainly like to look at it |
| 01:56.21 | nvz | mostly to connect my home network and my fathers for simplicity of sharing and remote support |
| 01:56.38 | Astro_Flow | afk |
| 02:01.12 | Astro_Flow | nvz: got it, thanks for the update. lol |
| 02:01.44 | Astro_Flow | I will deff look at this documentation in the near future, thanks for the heads up! |
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| 02:23.09 | karlpinc | nvz: I don't suppose wireguard works on other OSs? (Just curious, I can go look it up but am lazy.) |
| 02:24.01 | karlpinc | The trouble with openvpn is that it tries to do "everything" all in one package. Routing, etc, etc. They have the MS Windows mindset. |
| 02:24.11 | Astro_Flow | exit |
| 02:24.34 | Astro_Flow | whoops, sorry i forgot i wasn't in a terminal, later guys. |
| 02:25.04 | nvz | karlpinc: I wouldnt imagine so considering its a kernel level vpn |
| 02:25.15 | nvz | karlpinc: but I dont readily know.. |
| 02:25.23 | annadane | ,v wireguard |
| 02:25.25 | judd | Package: wireguard on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.0.20200513-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20200513-1; sid: 1.0.20200513-1 |
| 02:25.25 | sney | yes, there is wireguard client support for windows |
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| 02:33.59 | karlpinc | sney: Cool. |
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| 02:36.09 | qman__ | karlpinc: wireguard is available on just about everything: https://www.wireguard.com/install/ |
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| 02:39.07 | annadane | EVEN MY TOASTER? |
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| 02:39.41 | sponix | annadane: if your toaster runs NetBSD - of course ! |
| 02:39.54 | annadane | for everything else there's masterc- err, netbsd |
| 02:40.17 | annadane | (do not put your mastercard in the toaster) |
| 02:40.47 | sponix | I should have years ago - would have saved me a LOT of troubles |
| 02:40.48 | qman__ | if your toaster runs BSD, android, or linux of any description, yes |
| 02:41.21 | annadane | yeah, stupid question, it's probably going to be an Internet Of Things toaster |
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| 03:18.38 | jusss | what's the command to config debian? |
| 03:19.00 | sney | what menu are you looking for |
| 03:19.14 | jusss | when I use apt install xxx, it shows debconf unable to initialize frontend |
| 03:19.24 | jusss | term is not set |
| 03:19.41 | jusss | debconf failling back to frontend readline |
| 03:20.15 | jusss | sney: do you know why? |
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| 03:20.23 | awal1 | !bat |
| 03:20.23 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 03:20.53 | sney | awal1: that's not relevant here. |
| 03:21.16 | awal1 | :) |
| 03:21.36 | sney | jusss: I'm trying to remember but it's been a while since I had a broken install or helped someone with this issue. |
| 03:23.19 | jusss | sney: I found it dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 03:23.24 | jusss | https://github.com/phusion/baseimage-docker/issues/58 |
| 03:23.39 | sney | !next |
| 03:23.39 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 05:08.13 | nojeffrey | what does apt and apt-get use under the hood to download files? Is it curl or wget or something else? |
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| 05:39.31 | nvz | ,depends apt |
| 05:39.32 | judd | Package apt in buster/amd64 -- depends: adduser, gpgv | gpgv2 | gpgv1, debian-archive-keyring, libapt-pkg5.0 (>= 1.7.0~alpha3~), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libgnutls30 (>= 3.6.6), libseccomp2 (>= 1.0.1), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2). |
| 05:39.56 | nvz | ,depends libapt-pkg5.0 |
| 05:39.57 | judd | Package libapt-pkg5.0 in buster/amd64 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.27), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), liblz4-1 (>= 0.0~r127), liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libsystemd0 (>= 221), libudev1 (>= 183), libzstd1 (>= 1.3.2), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.2.3). |
| 05:40.22 | nvz | I see no depends on any such things, its probably a custom thing built in |
| 05:42.02 | nvz | nojeffrey: https://github.com/Debian/apt/blob/master/apt-pkg/acquire-item.cc |
| 05:42.33 | nvz | seems it is in fact a custom downloader written in C++ |
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| 05:43.05 | nojeffrey | Cheers! |
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| 06:22.22 | rk4 | since buster moved to nftables...maybe i can ask here. anyone know what a rule to delete an element from a set would look like? |
| 06:22.47 | rk4 | afaict you can only add and update [https://manpages.debian.org/buster/nftables/nft.8.en.html#SET_STATEMENT] |
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| 06:26.02 | nvz | mind you I know pretty much nothing about nftables or the crap it replaced.. but I think once a set is bound to a rule it cannot be modified like that |
| 06:26.39 | nvz | so if I'm correct you must delete the rule, modify the set, then recreate the rule |
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| 06:27.37 | rk4 | ah. yeah the nearest to delete i can find is to update the val with a timeout of 1 second, so "delete in 1 second" |
| 06:27.49 | rk4 | which...works. but is a bit shit. |
| 06:27.54 | rk4 | a second is a long time |
| 06:28.21 | nvz | heh |
| 06:29.07 | nvz | if only "thats /not/ what she said" was a thing.. |
| 06:30.35 | nvz | http://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Sets ah nm.. guess thats anonymous sets that cant be modified |
| 06:30.45 | nvz | didnt know there was different KINDS of sets :D |
| 06:30.56 | rk4 | yeah, i think you were thinking anonymous sets :) |
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| 06:31.30 | rk4 | you can add/delete-all/delete-one/update entries to named sets from the command line, but only add/update from within a nft rule...as far as i can tell |
| 06:31.49 | rk4 | its quite neat, but has some annoying bits |
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| 06:32.18 | rk4 | like i don't think you can have a set of IPs, that has both ipv6 and ipv4 addresses, you'd need 2 sets |
| 06:32.19 | nvz | idk I know a lot more about udev than nftables and udev def provides for removing stuff in rules |
| 06:32.45 | nvz | nftables I have not really fooled with yet |
| 06:32.56 | nvz | has magic for that |
| 06:33.33 | rk4 | looks up when debian switched to iptables |
| 06:33.46 | nvz | dpkg, iptables? |
| 06:33.46 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
| 06:34.04 | nvz | dpkg, nftables? |
| 06:34.04 | dpkg | nftables is the next generation of iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6: https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
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| 06:37.38 | nvz | if you meant what you /said/ afaik debian has been using iptables as far back as like sarge or woody or even potato |
| 06:37.58 | nvz | if you mean when they switched to nftables, it happened in this current release, buster |
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| 06:38.28 | nvz | and afaik is in transition with some sort of shim/compatibility |
| 06:39.17 | nvz | and the legacy iptables is still an option |
| 06:41.34 | nvz | !woody |
| 06:41.34 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 06:41.40 | nvz | !potato |
| 06:41.40 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 06:41.50 | nvz | yeah potato may have used ipchains |
| 06:43.50 | nvz | https://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/release-notes.en.txt still shows ipchains .. |
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| 06:49.59 | nvz | though looks like iptables packages first appeared in woody |
| 06:50.28 | nvz | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iptables/ |
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| 06:52.45 | nvz | I dont think it could've been in potato cause potato still had linux 2.2 and afaik iptables wasnt until linux 2.4 |
| 06:52.57 | nvz | shrugs |
| 06:53.06 | nvz | those years are fuzzy to me now :D |
| 06:55.06 | nvz | I've oft wondered crap like this though myself.. I think I'm gonna put some effort into automating this crap so I can have a clear timeline of debian history.. my lil manually done info on stretch/buster installs is sparse |
| 06:55.56 | nvz | my idea would entail automatically generated vms with actual look at various stats, benchmarks, package lists, etc.. from each release |
| 06:56.42 | rk4 | hmm potato, must have been when i started using debian again :) |
| 06:56.58 | rk4 | s/again// |
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| 06:59.15 | nvz | yeah potato is when I found debian and woody had released wihin a month after iirc |
| 07:01.16 | nvz | I did this manually with virtualbox running the same script on each install type and captured screenshots manually http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/buster |
| 07:01.45 | nvz | I'd like to have that and more auto-generated for every release and on a more permanent location than a free subdomain |
| 07:02.12 | nvz | I think it could be a useful resource |
| 07:02.57 | nvz | and really doing it manually wouldnt be too difficult of a task, but it'd be better to have it all done with each point release and stuff automagically |
| 07:03.32 | nvz | just gotta think about what all I wanna include in the information and how to organize it then figure out how to go about scripting the creation |
| 07:03.56 | nvz | may be better to use qemu or something |
| 07:04.27 | nvz | info from actual installs would be more useful I think than just compiling data from things like release notes |
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| 07:04.47 | nvz | to give people a clear picture of how stuff will actually work or did actually work |
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| 07:06.03 | rk4 | quite the journey, gentoo rose and fell, that drained some of the community, ubuntu rose, we lost a fair few users to that [or gained? if you count ubuntu users as distant debian users] |
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| 07:08.55 | nvz | for me I'd had a reboot loop after updating windows media player to watch embedded video on a news site with win2k and that was the last straw.. I'd gone to Best Buy and bought a 2disk redhat 5.2 for $24, it sucked, tried corel, sucked too, found mandrake, had lots of nice GUI config tools, used that for 7.x-8x and realized linux had potential.. went in search of a better distro and almost became a slackware |
| 07:09.01 | nvz | user cause it was nice but took a lot to setup and configure.. then I found the rather plain lookin debian.org, read the Why Debian? and Social Contract and I was sold.. burnt 2.2r6 on 3 cds and installed, then woody released like a week later and I been here ever since :D |
| 07:11.50 | rk4 | yeah, the social contract and DFSG were a good foundation, and i think are a big part of why i kept using it :) |
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| 07:13.17 | nvz | yeah it f'n blew my mind |
| 07:13.20 | rk4 | that and somehow, i don't understand it, but the non-deb packaging systems never worked as well for me. even with RH behind it, RHEL went through years of rpm hell before up2date, yum, soon[?] dnf, |
| 07:13.49 | nvz | I was used to the EULAs and crap.. I read that Social Contract and I was just floored |
| 07:14.15 | nvz | and things like systemd knocked me for a loop, but as long as they uphold their end of that contract.. I'm not going anywhere |
| 07:14.36 | rk4 | i think we got a bit lucky, having things like 'No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups |
| 07:15.18 | nvz | yeah there are some very /diverse/ debian users and developers thats for sure.. |
| 07:15.47 | rk4 | today, that sort of idea is falling out of fashion. people drag their local politics in, try to punish rightfully or wrongly, people they perceive as evil [like US border control] |
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| 07:20.25 | nvz | yeah.. debian has kept their focus where it belongs.. and while I'm still struggling to get back into things and familiarize with all the changes recently, I see why they were made and they havent breeched any contractual obligations |
| 07:21.24 | nvz | people bitch like crazy about systemd, and I really didnt like it at first.. but I can see now that things like udev, systemd, nftables, etc.. have addressed huge issues we've had for a long time |
| 07:22.08 | nvz | its a pain to learn all the news systems, but really the transitions have only gotten better.. the whole hal, defvs, hotplug, etc stuff back in the day was very rocky.. |
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| 07:22.42 | nvz | there was a point when that crap was going on that routine dist upgrades felt like the worst case scenarios on sid |
| 07:23.06 | rk4 | i think when systemd became the default, i removed it and used the sysvinit stuff, worked pretty well. but today, well the namespacing and cgroup stuff in systemd interests me, so i'll poke around and start using it :> |
| 07:23.08 | nvz | they're doing a great job at smoothing transitions right now |
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| 07:24.29 | nvz | I still miss sysvinit and not having the all encompassing systemd.. but I can't deny sysvinit was just taken from a completely different system and in no way has properly ran a modern linux system.. |
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| 07:24.45 | nvz | systemd is a lot to wrap ones head around |
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| 09:07.32 | ksk | nvz: compare "I want to run my app daemonized" from a beginners perspective: With systemd you kind of only need to create a unit with ExecStart= and you are done. If it does need special handling, there will either be an option, or you are doing it wrong (granted, there will be exceptions) |
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| 09:08.53 | nvz | idk with sysvinit I could just drop a regular shell script in there and create symlinks.. it was basic linux shell knowledge |
| 09:09.10 | nvz | now I need to actually understand how to write a unit, how to enable it, etc.. |
| 09:09.39 | ksk | back to SysVinit: I dont even know where to start. Maybe you just copy that one ancient bash script from your coworker, that has 30k LoC, but is rocksolid! |
| 09:10.09 | ksk | Haha yeah, I think we see the same things, but weight them differently ;) |
| 09:10.42 | nvz | I got the basics of unit creation but its not as natural to me.. I still have to pull up manpages and crap every time I do it |
| 09:11.35 | ksk | I think this is the transition phase then. Wait till you created like 5 to 10 of them and done some things you did with bash before - and think about it again then maybe. |
| 09:11.44 | ksk | I know lots of people who got an "Ah! -effect" |
| 09:12.41 | nvz | and its not just about sysvinit anyhow systemd is FAR more than an init system.. and exactly how far THAT rabit hole goes and how it all works really baffles me |
| 09:13.02 | ksk | I do agree on that :/ |
| 09:13.45 | ksk | some things they invent are nice, and needed overhaul just like the init system. But forcing us to use systemd for ever, not sure. |
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| 09:15.10 | H4ndy | Personally I think a systemd unit reads much easier and is faster to grasp then reading a long initv script from back then. YMMV |
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| 09:17.30 | nvz | I spent way more time reading docs since systemd than I have in the 15 years prior :P |
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| 09:17.48 | ksk | but not if you add up all the reading in the 15 years prior :P :P |
| 09:18.23 | ksk | like, you were able to use sysvinit since you know bash. Image you dont. |
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| 09:19.48 | nvz | yeah thats kinda what I meant.. I've read more documentation on systemd than on all of my linux use combined |
| 09:19.58 | Deknos | is there a debian task which optimizes the desktop or installation for running in a virtualbox or kvm vm? |
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| 09:20.14 | nvz | most of it was fairly easy to grasp I didnt need to read documentation back in the day |
| 09:20.20 | nvz | unless I was doing something complicated |
| 09:20.33 | H4ndy | Deknos: disable 3D accelerated effects if you use a fancy WM |
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| 09:20.52 | nvz | I can't even comprehend what systemd DOES much less how and how to use it effectively.. and this is AFTER reading a bunch of docs |
| 09:21.16 | nvz | its definitely not an init system replacement.. thats just one of the MANY things it does |
| 09:21.37 | nvz | and a lot of what it does we never had before so you can't compare all its pieces to something you're familiar with |
| 09:22.33 | nvz | I have certs in linux, been using and supporting debian for nearly two decades, have been reading systemd docs and using it a couple years now.. and I still can't honestly begin to answer without making some sort of joke what systemd does |
| 09:23.04 | nvz | as in I could make some joke about it being an OS.. but I dont really /know/ what it does |
| 09:23.09 | nvz | heh |
| 09:23.32 | nvz | learn more of it all the time and just can't believe I haven't seen the extent of it yet |
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| 09:25.10 | nvz | Deknos: nothing other than the extensions virtualbox provides for install and enabling virtualization extensions on the hosts hardware.. |
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| 09:31.14 | Deknos | is there a list which DEs/DMs activate 3daccelerated effects (by default)? |
| 09:32.24 | H4ndy | Sorry, no idea. I only run desktop linux maybe twice a year. |
| 09:35.05 | ratrace | Deknos: not sure about a list, but GNOME requires gpu, xfce can disable compositor effects, kde probably can too |
| 09:35.57 | ratrace | infact, other than gnome, I think all other DEs and WMs either don't require gpu or have that configurable |
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| 09:43.48 | Deknos | hrm, i'll look into it. |
| 09:43.50 | Deknos | thanks! |
| 09:47.37 | luna_is_here | @Deknos If that helps you: the last time I tried, KDE was working nicely inside QEMU without the need of any customization (if you have sufficient RAM). |
| 09:47.49 | luna_is_here | @Deknos Are you using QEMU? |
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| 09:58.07 | ksk | Deknos: Did you install the guest additions already? Thats totally a virtualbox topic, not really related to debian. Google it ;) |
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| 10:05.18 | CrawlCycle | hi. if i use `apt-build` to install package, would I get the default hardening (pie, stack protector, etc)? |
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| 10:18.08 | ksk | ,info apt-build |
| 10:18.10 | judd | Package apt-build (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: frontend to apt to build, optimize and install packages. Version: 0.12.47; Size: 40.1k; Installed: 145k; O: #365427 |
| 10:19.15 | ksk | Never heard of that one. But if its a frontend to apt it will, most likely, not differentiate from any other apt-ish method of installing. |
| 10:19.38 | ksk | I am not quite sure if "default hardening" is a thing anyways. |
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| 11:02.37 | Deknos | luna_is_here, i use kvm/qemu and virtualbox |
| 11:03.31 | Deknos | i just thought perhaps there's something like the tasks for the DEs a task for running the system inside these popular virtualization solutions so i do not have to look at the minutiaes myself |
| 11:04.24 | luna_is_here | Deknos: When using qemu with qcow2 disk images, the IO performance can be a problem when not using preallocation. Slow IO can make the whole desktop unresponsive. |
| 11:04.39 | luna_is_here | Deknos: Maybe that is something you might consider. |
| 11:05.02 | luna_is_here | Deknos: Otherwise running KDE in a qemu vm worked just out of the box for me. |
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| 11:06.01 | Deknos | yeah, but for instance the task could (if installed) deactivate 3d acceleration and/or install guest utils and stuff like that :) |
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| 11:06.56 | nevyn | Deknos: I think there's software fallback for everthing |
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| 11:11.27 | Miles8of9 | nooo..!! buster 10.5 delayed with no date.... -_- |
| 11:13.08 | ratrace | Deknos: that'd be one hell of a task as there's no singl switch to flip it on or off. each program may or may need gpu-required opengl functions |
| 11:13.20 | ratrace | may or may *not |
| 11:13.51 | ratrace | and then without gpu, opengl will happily render in cpu, so some of those functions are still available, albeit slow, and some aren't at all |
| 11:14.02 | Deknos | does not have to be a perfect solution... and system commands/configs/triggers/ctls exist :) |
| 11:14.36 | ratrace | but a mantainer willing to track and maintain those, doesn't :) |
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| 11:15.06 | ratrace | too much work for such a limited and minor use case |
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| 11:18.42 | Capone | Hi, I am unable to do an apt update of a fresh install of debian 10.0. a whole lot of connection time outs starting with: connection timed out Could not connect to klecker-ftp.debian.org:80 (2001:67c:2564:a119::148:12) |
| 11:19.46 | H4ndy | Looks like your IPv6 connection is not properly configured and does not route into the internet |
| 11:20.01 | ratrace | or the mirror is busted |
| 11:20.12 | Capone | hmmm... That is what I thought initially. Thanks. Re: IPV6 |
| 11:20.51 | Dagger | OR you're on a busted v4-only connection |
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| 11:21.23 | Dagger | apt only reports the *last* connection failure, which will be over v4 on a connection with v6, so the fact that it's reporting an error with a v6 address suggests that it tried v4 first |
| 11:22.03 | Dagger | try `wget http://klecker-ftp.debian.org/` (or better, use the URL apt is trying to fetch) and see what it says |
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| 11:25.01 | Capone | It does seem to be failing on some v4 mirrors too... yet I can ping out to 1.1.1.1 and google.com fine |
| 11:26.38 | Dagger | intermittent DNS perhaps? if the A record lookup gets dropped occasionally then you'll see this |
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| 11:32.35 | Capone | I just attempted with another deb machine on my network. Same issue. |
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| 11:39.44 | Capone | wget is not working on any of the URL's apt is trying to fetch. |
| 11:42.35 | Dagger | can you pastebin the failing wget output? |
| 11:42.43 | ratrace | Capone: you can try mtr-tiny, to see where the connection breaks |
| 11:43.03 | ratrace | if you say "some" mirrors are failing, then "some" are working so you should be able to install |
| 11:43.59 | Capone | sorry... it doesn't seem to be working on any mirrors it attempts to fetch from when doing apt update |
| 11:45.11 | ratrace | Capone: can you ping those domains? |
| 11:46.14 | Capone | yeah just tried klecker-ftp.debian.org and I can ping. |
| 11:46.49 | ratrace | Capone: so you canping, but not wget? what's the error, "connection timed out"? |
| 11:48.16 | Capone | I hadn't got a "connection timed out" but likely will because it is stuck on connecting eg: |
| 11:48.36 | Capone | Resolving ftp.acc.umu.se (ftp.acc.umu.se)... 194.71.11.173, 194.71.11.165, 2001:6b0:19::173, ... |
| 11:48.48 | Capone | Connecting to ftp.acc.umu.se (ftp.acc.umu.se)|194.71.11.173|:80... |
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| 11:49.34 | Dagger | so why were we blaming v6 again? this looks very much like a v4 problem |
| 11:49.43 | ratrace | Capone: sounds like there's some packet filtering involved. you can ping (icmp), but not wget (tcp) |
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| 11:50.30 | Capone | I can ping, can't wget it seems |
| 11:50.48 | Capone | I cannot ping the ipv6 IP only v4 |
| 11:51.41 | Capone | but I do think that is a seperate issue as it can't vetch from v4 either it seems |
| 11:52.23 | Capone | as an example, I can't ping: 2001:6b0:19::173 |
| 11:52.27 | Capone | ping 2001:6b0:19::173 |
| 11:52.48 | Capone | which is what ftp.acc.umu.se resolves to |
| 11:52.57 | Capone | yet I can ping ftp.acc.umu.se |
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| 11:56.35 | Capone | If it helps at all this is on a container using the template for v10 on proxmox |
| 11:57.05 | ratrace | that probably explains it then, badly configured container |
| 11:57.13 | ratrace | esp if you can ping but not tcp |
| 11:57.20 | RoyK | Capone: can you ping the local router? |
| 11:57.27 | Capone | Sorry for not opening with that |
| 11:58.05 | Capone | yes can ping router |
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| 11:58.25 | RoyK | what does "ip -6 r" have to say? |
| 11:58.42 | RoyK | !pastebin |
| 11:58.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:05.17 | Capone | RoyK: https://paste.debian.net/1156341 |
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| 12:12.41 | RoyK | Capone: what's the ip of the default gateway? the gateway you're setup with is a link local address |
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| 12:21.21 | Capone | RoyK: 192.168.1.1 |
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| 12:29.26 | Capone | I have fixed it. Thanks RoyK, you pointed me in the right direction I was using the wrong bridge! |
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| 12:30.18 | Capone | stumped me that I was able to ping out etc... |
| 12:30.32 | RoyK | Capone: nice |
| 12:31.33 | g0zzy | Trying to admin a printer remotely. For some reason the printer is 'paused' and the cups command line is showing no default destination. How can i resume it? And why is my user (in sudo group) no able to admin through the gui? |
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| 12:44.23 | abrotman | are printers still in the 'lp' group? (only use printers at work) |
| 12:45.43 | g0zzy | Ah - not sure |
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| 12:47.50 | g0zzy | Could be that i wasn't in lp and/or lpadmin |
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| 12:49.48 | g0zzy | Hm that wasn't it. Still all greyed out in Mate desktop |
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| 12:53.42 | g0zzy | Logged in as root. That did it |
| 12:54.07 | g0zzy | suspects the user did something queer with the printer |
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| 13:24.30 | siiky | hi everyone! is there a way to pin the default kernel to boot with? when i boot with 5.7.0-1 something goes wrong, and the DM doesnt start, i can only use the TTYs; im now using the previous version, 5.6.0-2, chosen from the grub boot menu |
| 13:25.14 | siiky | i suppose that if the kernel is upgraded again, 5.6 will be automatically uninstalled, and will only be left with the 5.7, and the next available version |
| 13:28.40 | siiky | oh, forgot to mention... with 5.7 shutting down doesnt work either, it hangs on something (dont remember what) |
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| 13:29.09 | siiky | its really weird, i dont understand why, since nothing changed... |
| 13:32.09 | diogenes_ | siiky, as a quick workaround you can put your custom entry with the desired kernel into /etc/grub.d/40_custom and boot only from there. |
| 13:32.12 | towo^work | there is no kernel 5.7.x in debian stable |
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| 13:32.51 | towo^work | and if 5.7 doesn't work, why you don't purge that kernel version? |
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| 13:40.38 | siiky | diogenes_: cool, will try that, then, thanks! |
| 13:40.59 | siiky | towo^work: thats another thing i forgot to mention, im on testing |
| 13:41.33 | siiky | and good question... i dont know! |
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| 13:45.16 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 13:45.16 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 13:56.25 | Regor | i am using rxvt-unicode which doesnt load settings from /.Xresources ..i have to manually run " xrdb ~/.Xresources " after login.. i saved this command in ~/.xinitrc but it didnt work ... |
| 13:57.04 | nkuttler | Regor: my rxvt loads stuff from .Xdefaults |
| 13:57.19 | greycat | The only thing that reads .xinitrc is xinit (startx). If you do not use startx, you should be using .xsession instead. Even if you DO use startx, on Debian, you should still be using .xsession instead. |
| 13:59.42 | Regor | ok i get it |
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| 14:14.52 | annadane | anyone have an idea what package the timer for the MATE panel is in? it's not mate-applets |
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| 14:15.37 | annadane | or it probably is but it's not in apt show |
| 14:15.41 | annadane | i'll try installing it anyway |
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| 14:16.27 | Regor | greycat: i purged xfce desktop completely yesterday..but it removed everything even network-manager was gone too..! i wasback to tty session... then i restored bspwm session. using /.xinitrc file . so yes i use startx .. i would set lightdm later though. |
| 14:16.43 | annadane | (yeah that was it) |
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| 14:17.20 | greycat | Debian's startx was modified to read .xsession if it exists, so that you only need one file for both startx and *dm sessions. |
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| 14:19.20 | Regor | ys .xsession i would use .. |
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| 14:40.15 | zapatista | Hello! Trying to fix a dual head problem on my debian box. |
| 14:42.24 | zapatista | Recently I decided to move my debian machine to my bedroom (as a veteran geeks must do :)). I have Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series BGA card. |
| 14:42.56 | zapatista | The card has 1 HDMI, 1 VGA and 1 DVI port. |
| 14:43.21 | zapatista | I connect my HDMI port to my 3D TV to watch movies. |
| 14:43.59 | zapatista | I connect my VGA port my monitor (an LG something) VIA a long VGA cable. |
| 14:44.35 | zapatista | If I connect it with a shorter one, the debian gnome perfectly recognizes the device. |
| 14:45.12 | zapatista | However if I use the 15 m (50 ft) extension VGA cable, the things goes tupsy turvy. |
| 14:45.28 | zapatista | I cannot change the default monitorç |
| 14:46.07 | ksk | zapatista: I suspect you do not want to hear that, but dont use a freaking 15m VGA cable :P |
| 14:46.13 | zapatista | If I try to use desktop app for accessing the monitor (in both cases) the desktop becomes unresponsive, although I can continue to move the mouse around. |
| 14:46.25 | zapatista | Probably. |
| 14:46.33 | zapatista | You are right KSK. |
| 14:46.48 | zapatista | But I wan to be a true geek, using debian box in his bed. |
| 14:47.04 | ksk | I think there might be stuff like repeaters available, which might be able to give you a working experience. I dont suspect it to be software or Debian related. |
| 14:47.46 | ksk | If you have fast wifi try out some remote screen sharing stuff, would need a second computer, but no cables. |
| 14:47.54 | zapatista | After alllthe problems, I used the short cable (and I am using the short cabl right now), the monitor app problem continues. |
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| 14:48.28 | zapatista | If I try to use debian gnome's monitor app keyboard goes bye bye |
| 14:48.43 | zapatista | and mouse although mobile, does not click anything. |
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| 14:49.13 | zapatista | I researched the thing on interntet and determined I must delete .config/monitors.xml file. |
| 14:49.19 | zapatista | Which I did. |
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| 14:49.55 | zapatista | The system did not recreate the file. Xrandr shows the correct configuration though. |
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| 15:04.36 | zapatista | I believe my gnome dekstop is screwed. If I try to use any app which is not opened on startup causes a problem. |
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| 16:49.16 | Deknos | does anyone know if there will be official debian packages of lxd in debian at one point without snap? |
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| 16:50.03 | ratrace | probably not |
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| 16:51.25 | mason | Deknos: https://wiki.debian.org/LXD links to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768073 |
| 16:51.26 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/768073 in wnpp (open): «ITP: lxd -- The Linux Container Daemon»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-11-04; last modified: 2019-06-27. |
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| 17:09.02 | secretpow | I'm running unstable and for a while now I've been having some (kernel-related) issues that never went away, even though I regularly upgrade my kernel. The dmesg entries range from kernel NULL pointer dereferences over "unable to handle page fault for address" to "[Firmware Bug]: Page fault caused by firmware". Symptoms include unkillable zombie processes which are not reaped by pid 1, the kernel failing to freeze processes |
| 17:09.02 | secretpow | when trying to suspend the system, and the system not shutting down after "sudo poweroff". I originally suspected faulty RAM, but I've been running memtest86+ for 14 hours now, and no errors were reported so far. Any ideas on how to diagnose/debug this? |
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| 17:12.29 | annadane | secretpow, sometimes we do get sid questions that are general enough we can answer them here but i'd advise #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for that one |
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| 17:14.11 | secretpow | Thanks, I'm going to try asking there as well |
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| 17:20.16 | RoyK | dpkg: tell secretpow about debian-next |
| 17:20.35 | annadane | kicks RoyK |
| 17:20.40 | _DeLa_ | I am trying hard to get my HP Probook x360 11 G1 EE to work with latest debian 10, although installation always freezes when grub is installed (google search confirms this issue with grub). Still, after rebooting at this point and running repair options via https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/ - .iso, I can get the system to get me to the login screen right before the desktop should appear. Problem is: Neither root |
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| 17:21.08 | moldy | secretpow: might also just be buggy firmware / bios |
| 17:21.25 | _DeLa_ | Could the issue be, that users are created after grub installation during debian 10 install? |
| 17:21.28 | moldy | secretpow: especially if it happens in combination with suspend / resume |
| 17:21.44 | RoyK | annadane: bad temper today? ;) |
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| 17:24.08 | secretpow | moldy: might be, I guess... but I'm already running the latest BIOS version provided by my mainboard manufacturer. Also, suspend/resume is one thing, but I've also had these issues simply running the system without suspending once after booting up |
| 17:24.49 | secretpow | At some point it starts acting strangely, and then I can usually find some suspicious messages in dmesg |
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| 17:32.53 | chaslinux | Trying to get debian-installer (PXE boot install) to install a custom grub file I created at the end of an installation. If I remove the ;\ on line 4 installation works (with lines 5-8 commented out). Is there a better way to include a custom grub file (earlier in the debian-installer?)? |
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| 17:33.06 | chaslinux | Oops forgot the pastebin: https://pastebin.com/6GVxyRNP |
| 17:33.28 | annadane | !pastebin.com |
| 17:33.28 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ (or give us the raw link like pastebin.com/raw/<identifier>, in other words pastebin.com/foo becomes pastebin.com/raw/foo) |
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| 17:34.18 | annadane | https://pastebin.com/raw/6GVxyRNP |
| 17:34.24 | chaslinux | Act sorry: http://paste.debian.net/1156376/ |
| 17:34.51 | EdePopede | yep, at least it was raw without the need of an account. unlike ubuntu's pastebin. |
| 17:36.10 | chaslinux | Yeah that's great, thank you, there is way too much fluff on other paste sites. |
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| 17:46.45 | _DeLa_ | It seems like the debian expert install option would enable me to maybe skip grub installation and then see if users will be created afterwards. Will try this tomorrow! |
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| 17:57.28 | nvz | _DeLa_: sounds like fuzzy logic to me |
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| 17:58.19 | _DeLa_ | nvz: yeah...well...for now it feels like it's my best bet |
| 17:58.50 | nvz | the first conclusion I'd jump to is not something like one of the first steps takes place after one of the last.. but that using some random boot/repair image from a site almost nobody uses anymore to fix a completely unrelated system is whats f'n up your users |
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| 17:59.17 | Emil | Hey |
| 17:59.29 | Emil | I'm trying to use hexcurse, but line drawing is broken on it |
| 17:59.42 | Emil | All lines appear as qqqqqqq and so on |
| 17:59.46 | nvz | ,i hexcurse |
| 17:59.47 | judd | Package hexcurse (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Ncurses-based hex editor with many features. Version: 1.58-1.1+b1; Size: 24.6k; Installed: 64k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/hexcurse |
| 18:00.09 | Emil | However, for example htop displays UTF8 box drawing characters just fine |
| 18:00.16 | nvz | Emil: in a virtual console or x terminal emulator? |
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| 18:00.55 | Emil | nvz: terminal emulator, in particular putty ssh to Debian vm |
| 18:01.01 | Emil | (from Windows) |
| 18:01.08 | _DeLa_ | nvz: Okay... I see what you're getting at ....but this "random boot/repair" is obviously still maintained, with the last iso from june 2020...also what got me interested in this boot/repair software was the following post: https://dev.to/tylerlwsmith/getting-ubuntu-linux-installed-on-an-hp-probook-x360-11-2ei3 |
| 18:01.09 | greycat | Failure to display line-drawing characters properly could be that your TERM variable is set wrong, or the application only works with certain terminals and not others, or you're inside tmux/screen and that's interfering.... |
| 18:01.17 | Emil | I see that iftop is also broken, so perhaps it's just my borked settings instead of hexcurse |
| 18:01.20 | Emil | damn this is annoying |
| 18:01.22 | greycat | Oh, you're in PUTTY? |
| 18:01.27 | greycat | Well, that's probably relevant. |
| 18:01.52 | Emil | Where could I ask about trying to make sure my config is right and correct? |
| 18:02.08 | greycat | Can you configure putty to be as close as possible to an xterm? Emulate *everything* about an xterm as faithfully as the options allow. See if that helps. |
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| 18:08.47 | nvz | _DeLa_: its not maintained by debian |
| 18:09.27 | nvz | the way I repair, and I'm sure others here do, is boot the installer, chroot into the system.. |
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| 18:09.48 | nvz | I dont go looking at source forge of all places for something to do it |
| 18:09.49 | _DeLa_ | nvz: I know |
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| 18:12.16 | nvz | Emil: yeah its probably some encoding mismatch somewhere.. I can run putty on here in wine/crossover easily but dont really feel like setting up keys and such at the moment to try reproduce the error.. all I know is the app ran fine natively for me and I dont see any options related to any meaningful terminal settings in putty |
| 18:13.17 | nvz | it ran fine in screen and in my xterm.. I'd think putty is where the problem lies |
| 18:15.23 | _DeLa_ | nvz: Downloads: 7,220 This Week – Last Update: 2020-06-13 – 109 reviews for 4/5 stars ...seems legit to me ... there seems to be a .deb file on launchpad as well for the live distro of your choice...should it make a difference? |
| 18:17.08 | _DeLa_ | nvz: btw: I know that users are to be configured during first few steps of debian install...but could it be that they are written to the system at the very end? |
| 18:18.03 | _DeLa_ | nvz: "the way I repair, and I'm sure others here do, is boot the installer, chroot into the system" – do you have a link / URL for me to look into that? |
| 18:18.11 | nvz | it could very well be but you're still applying fuzzy logic.. a well 10,000 lemmigs are jumping.. might as well jump too |
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| 18:19.11 | nvz | dpkg rescue? |
| 18:19.11 | dpkg | somebody said rescue was at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>. |
| 18:19.24 | nvz | dpkg, rescue mode |
| 18:19.24 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
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| 18:19.35 | nvz | heh |
| 18:20.04 | nvz | dpkg, rescue mode =~ s/jessie/buster/ |
| 18:20.04 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 18:20.04 | _DeLa_ | nvz: thanks! |
| 18:20.16 | nvz | dpkg, rescue mode |
| 18:20.16 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
| 18:20.28 | Emil | nvz: fuck :D |
| 18:20.31 | annadane | you're destroying history! |
| 18:20.39 | nvz | well that was too easy.. its a 404 link now :D |
| 18:20.46 | nvz | checks the old link |
| 18:21.08 | Emil | nvz: there are even so little results available about fixing this |
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| 18:22.09 | nvz | dpkg, rescue mode =~ s/07.html.en/06.en.html/ |
| 18:22.09 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 18:22.21 | chaslinux | My d-i grub question wasn't to rescue grub, I want to include a modified grub, but I'm 90% of the way there, just the last 2 lines to deal with now. I have the custom grub copying to the right /target/etc/default directory, just need to grub-update it with d-i. |
| 18:22.37 | nvz | one more time now.. |
| 18:22.41 | nvz | dpkg, rescue mode |
| 18:22.41 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch08s06.en.html |
| 18:23.03 | nvz | meh.. I'm too exhausted for this :P |
| 18:23.22 | nvz | dpkg, rescue mode =~ s/8.7/8.6/ |
| 18:23.22 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 18:23.56 | nvz | the lilo thing may be irrelevant now too for all I know |
| 18:23.59 | nvz | but I'm done :D |
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| 18:39.42 | Emil | Ohmyfuckinggod |
| 18:40.10 | Emil | I ssh'd to another server, and then back into my own, and magically it works :D there's a screen in between, so perhaps that's doing some translation |
| 18:40.16 | Emil | but this is bloody ridiculous |
| 18:40.50 | Emil | But at least it should confirm that it's not my end that's the issue, but the config on my vm, or something |
| 18:41.32 | greycat | This is about the line-drawing chars, still? I can at least tell you the specific instance of this issue that I can immediately remember is mutt. The line-drawing characters in mutt's threaded subject display didn't work for me inside screen, sometimes. |
| 18:41.41 | greycat | screen or tmux *definitely* matters, as I said earlier |
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| 18:43.44 | dacencora | Quick question, how can I make sure that nvidia-drm is the kernel in use, instead of plain nvidia |
| 18:44.13 | dacencora | I set nvidia-drm.modeset=1 in grub kernel options but lspci -k shows that the plain nvidia driver is being used |
| 18:45.49 | diogenes_ | dacencora, lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 |
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| 18:47.49 | dacencora | diogenes_: yeah it still says plain nvidia |
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| 18:48.02 | dacencora | The reason I am asking is because I am getting some bad screen tearing |
| 18:48.24 | diogenes_ | dacencora, what DE? |
| 18:48.43 | dacencora | I'm using MATE currently |
| 18:49.22 | Emil | greycat: yeah still about line drawing characters |
| 18:49.27 | nvz | Emil: screen also will not magically effect changes to things like locale.. it typically has to be restarted |
| 18:50.25 | greycat | With Putty being involved, I imagine Windows is involved, and therefore there's a super-likely conflict between encodings (WIN1252 vs. UTF-8 or whatever you're using on the Linux side). |
| 18:50.30 | diogenes_ | dacencora, try compiz or compton. |
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| 18:51.13 | greycat | At some point, when Windows is involved, one just gives up and accepts the ugliness. |
| 18:51.57 | nvz | dacencora: I doubt there is a seperate driver called nvidia-drm thats probably just the name of the kernel param.. all drivers use drm |
| 18:52.46 | nvz | dacencora: I can't say for sure cause I have no systems with nvidia, but you can check by looking at lsmod output.. you'll see a "drm" driver that should be "in use by" "nvidia" and you could modinfo nvidia-drm |
| 18:52.49 | dacencora | nvz: not drm in the proprietary sense |
| 18:53.00 | dacencora | direct rendering mode |
| 18:53.06 | nvz | dacencora: _I_ know what it is.. I dont think _you_ do |
| 18:53.09 | towo` | dacencora, nvidia as kernel module will allways used |
| 18:53.10 | nvz | if you think you were not using it before |
| 18:53.20 | towo` | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 18:53.51 | nvz | any video driver is gonna use DRM.. thats the linux kernel subsystem they all pass through for direct access to memory |
| 18:54.17 | dacencora | I see |
| 18:54.18 | dacencora | My bad |
| 18:54.47 | nvz | dacencora: you should also see the effect of any changes to the kernel command line in the output of journalctl -k |
| 18:54.55 | nvz | you can check with and without it and compare the difference |
| 18:55.16 | dacencora | nvz: I think at this point, it is likely my Xorg that is the issue |
| 18:55.19 | nvz | journalctl -k > dmesg.log will create a log file of the kernel messages from the current boot |
| 18:55.24 | dacencora | *Xorg.conf |
| 18:55.31 | towo` | nvidia-drm doesn't fix tearing in X |
| 18:55.56 | dacencora | towo`: it has in the past. Or I guess more correctly, it would be modesetting |
| 18:56.02 | towo` | no |
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| 18:56.20 | towo` | there is no modesetting like the free drivers provide |
| 18:56.28 | dacencora | towo`: I am telling you that I have seen tearing, and then enabled modesetting, and the tearing was gone |
| 18:56.34 | dacencora | On multiple distros |
| 18:56.40 | dacencora | Debian included |
| 18:56.55 | nvz | I have seen things and done things and they were gone too.. sometimes there are things called coincidences :D |
| 18:57.01 | diogenes_ | modesetting is intel GPU driver. |
| 18:57.06 | towo` | if you thinl so and you know all better, i'm fine |
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| 18:57.21 | towo` | *think |
| 18:57.30 | nvz | yes modesetting in X terms is as stated, an intel driver |
| 18:57.42 | towo` | no, is not |
| 18:57.47 | nvz | its vaguely related to KMS |
| 18:58.01 | towo` | is a generic DDX which is workink with intel, amd and nvidia (nouveau) |
| 18:58.13 | towo` | and it depends on KMS |
| 18:58.23 | diogenes_ | dacencora, try this in terminal: nvidia tear free: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceCompositionPipeline = On }" |
| 18:58.35 | diogenes_ | see if that fixes your tearing. |
| 18:58.51 | diogenes_ | i mean the line after nvidia tear free: |
| 18:58.57 | nvz | oh ok, yea in xorg modesetting driver is built-in |
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| 18:59.03 | nvz | and relies on kms |
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| 19:00.11 | croddy | is there any tool in debian that can show thumbnails of a directory filled with raw photo files? i have several hundred raw images that are badly disorganized and i need to find something among them visually within the next few hours, which is not long enough for me to open them one by one in ufraw. |
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| 19:01.06 | nvz | dpkg, kms |
| 19:01.06 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 19:01.57 | nvz | croddy: is there any reason you cant just convert them all? |
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| 19:02.34 | croddy | i guess i could use ufraw-batch but i was hoping there might be something that could just thumbnail them in place like file managers do with jpg, png etc |
| 19:02.55 | nvz | idk.. I'm not certain what a raw photo is offhand in this context |
| 19:03.11 | nvz | I'm sure that could vary in composition |
| 19:03.50 | croddy | it's an uncompressed image file taken directly from a camera, it is an intermediate format between the actual sensor data and a finished raster image file. they tend to be hardware vendor specific, but there is support for a wide range of raw image formats in debian |
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| 19:04.33 | nvz | croddy: Downloads/signature edits free raw files.dng: TIFF image data, little-endian, direntries=55, height=171, bps=674, compression=none, PhotometricIntepretation=RGB, manufacturer=Panasonic, model=DC-S1, orientation=upper-left, width=256 |
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| 19:04.52 | nvz | croddy: https://doc-0c-18-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/securesc/32ml5b78bl6dasbo4tjl8j36ng93hn60/0nvrt1sl65jol9q3a2dmbfn8df33vkga/1594753350000/11443384777441967863/11496090210330040237/1wHf4PvFNZiRNR-jW_RwER9GapBSklw-5?e=download&authuser=0&nonce=na0lorbh4aaoc&user=11496090210330040237&hash=0k13no62jl9fnrmsbf9e12j1669epfbi |
| 19:04.59 | nvz | you mean like /that/ |
| 19:05.32 | nvz | I think the raw format of any given camera would be specific to that camera in some way or another |
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| 19:06.28 | nvz | croddy: cause /that/ file will not thumbnail in caja (MATE's filemanager) but DOES in geeqie.. |
| 19:06.29 | croddy | yes, it's true, DNG is an example of a raw format but like i said there are libraries in debian that know how to read many of them. my problem is i am looking for something that uses those libraries and will thumbnail a hundred of them at once so i can look at them |
| 19:06.43 | croddy | i am going to start writing a script that will just do it for me, please do not be offended that i have stopped replying |
| 19:06.52 | jhutchins | Is there a php backport for stretch? |
| 19:06.56 | nvz | croddy: I believe I just answered your question |
| 19:07.11 | nvz | croddy: geeqie seems to thumnail that image just fine |
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| 19:07.42 | nvz | ,i geeqie |
| 19:07.43 | judd | Package geeqie (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: image viewer using GTK+. Version: 1:1.4+git20190121-2; Size: 590.5k; Installed: 12814k; Homepage: http://geeqie.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/geeqie |
| 19:07.55 | croddy | yes, i see, this is perfect, thank you! i had forgotten about geeqie. |
| 19:09.50 | annadane | can i get gsettings to autocomplete filenames at all for eg. setting desktop background? |
| 19:10.02 | annadane | it (using bash) autocompletes everything else |
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| 19:15.05 | nvz | annadane: dpkg -L $(dpkg -S $(which gsettings) | cut -d : -f 1) | grep /usr/share/bash-completion/ |
| 19:16.05 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1156388/ |
| 19:16.31 | nvz | as for how bash-completion files work.. heh.. not my specialty.. greycat or folks in #bash may know better how to tweak it |
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| 19:16.32 | greycat | I think that was more of a "look at this, learn from this" than a "please tell me what this says on your box because I think something is wrong" response |
| 19:16.46 | nvz | greycat: *nod* :P |
| 19:17.04 | annadane | throws computer into a lake |
| 19:17.09 | greycat | nvz: #bash advice would usually be "turn off the completion, see if that fixes it". It usually does. "complete -r" will disable all completions in the current shell. |
| 19:17.35 | nvz | I never did get around to learning how that stuff worked.. this is all news to me :D |
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| 19:18.07 | annadane | linux needs a set-the-background-as-i-say-idiot --scale tiled |
| 19:18.11 | nvz | it does complete the shit out of all gsettings options and keys.. but wont then complete a filename at the end.. |
| 19:18.31 | nvz | you can get it to complete the gsettings command, the set option, the org.blah.background.. etc |
| 19:18.34 | annadane | actually i haven't checked if feh can do it in mate |
| 19:18.38 | mason | annadane: xv -root -quit -maxpect /some/picture |
| 19:18.38 | annadane | it doesn't in fce |
| 19:18.40 | nvz | but you can't get it to complete a filename after all that |
| 19:18.48 | annadane | xfce* |
| 19:19.12 | mason | annadane: Been doing that since the 90s, still doing it today. |
| 19:19.50 | nvz | the issue you may be having is the desktop is drawn above the root window (stacking wise) |
| 19:20.03 | mason | That'd be odd. Hrm. |
| 19:20.25 | nvz | yeah well never know what any given DE or desktop (icons) software may do |
| 19:20.30 | nvz | or how the WM will handle it |
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| 19:21.46 | annadane | (doesn't work) |
| 19:22.40 | nvz | completion files do just seem to be bash scripts but its above my pay grade how they work :P |
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| 19:23.07 | greycat | they are definitely bash *code* but it's a huge sprawling ugly mess of who knows what |
| 19:23.10 | nvz | but I'd imagine someone who knows how they work could probably tweak it to allow completion of file names in certain cases |
| 19:23.13 | nvz | heh |
| 19:23.18 | nvz | thats what it LOOKS like |
| 19:23.46 | nvz | annadane: there is of course another simpler option.. |
| 19:23.47 | annadane | the correct answer by the way is "who cares what the wallpaper is, if you can see wallpaper you're not using the computer properly" |
| 19:24.10 | nvz | you just write a script that calls the gsettings command and plops in the filename.. even use zenity or such with a file chooser dialog |
| 19:24.30 | nvz | pass the filename as the argument to the script or select from a zenity dialog |
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| 19:24.49 | nvz | or even just use an alias |
| 19:26.04 | nvz | often the easiest way to fix a shell problem is to just try another angle :P |
| 19:26.44 | annadane | blames greycat for not programming bash to be easier |
| 19:27.08 | nvz | it'd be a trivial thing to alias the whole gsettings command and add an argument to the alias when you type it.. or make a oneliner with $1 in it, or use a zenity file selector dialog in such a script to provide the filename |
| 19:27.22 | annadane | oh right, aliases do that properly |
| 19:27.27 | annadane | totally forgot about that |
| 19:27.28 | greycat | or disable bash-completion |
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| 19:27.47 | nvz | greycat: that way you cant complete everything else the set org.blah.background.. etc |
| 19:27.54 | nvz | this way you dont /need/ to |
| 19:28.15 | greycat | I have no idea what that means, or what gsettings is/does. |
| 19:29.40 | nvz | well you can gset[tab] s[tab] o[tab]gn[tab].. etc |
| 19:29.44 | annadane | can you also set the scaling via gsettings? scale, stretch, etc |
| 19:29.47 | nvz | and it will write out the whole command and arguments |
| 19:30.04 | nvz | gsettings set org.gnome..blah..blah..blah |
| 19:30.12 | nvz | but then wont complete a filename to set it to at the end |
| 19:30.23 | nvz | cause the completion script doesnt provide this functionality |
| 19:31.37 | nvz | gsettings just manipulates dconf stuffs |
| 19:31.56 | nvz | annadane: you do know there is dconf-editor right? |
| 19:32.10 | nvz | where you can browse and change this stuff graphically |
| 19:32.18 | nvz | works like regedit in windows |
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| 19:32.25 | nvz | only more sanely organized |
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| 19:32.49 | nvz | ,i dconf-editor |
| 19:32.50 | judd | Package dconf-editor (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: simple configuration storage system - graphical editor. Version: 3.30.2-1; Size: 421.5k; Installed: 2214k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/dconf; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/dconf-editor |
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| 19:33.48 | nvz | there is gconf-editor too but any apps using gconf still shouldnt be.. |
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| 20:11.53 | jottr | Hi all. smartd is reporting errors on my SSD since a few days. It seems I have a low number of errors. Selftest and overall health tests passed. Should I be concerned? Here's the full output of the long smart selftest https://git.io/JJsYp |
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| 20:16.15 | dvs | jottr, if it was a spinning disk, I'd say start moving stuff off of the drive now. For an SSD, I'm not sure but that sure does look like a lot of errors for Hardware_ECC_Recovered |
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| 20:21.56 | jottr | dvs: For Hardware_ECC_Recovered higher values are actually better, since it is the delta between ECC-correction. See https://kb.acronis.com/content/9131 |
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| 20:24.27 | dvs | jottr, "Although this parameter is not considered critical by the most hardware vendors, degradation of this parameter may indicate electromechanical problems of the disk." This tells me that the drive is failing. |
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| 20:31.14 | jottr | dvs: How do you know that an increase of the value indicates degradation, and not the opposite? |
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| 20:32.47 | dvs | jottr, because it has the word "recovered" in the parameter name meaning this is the number of times it had to make a correction. |
| 20:33.07 | Barralastic | /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf -> Option "Tapping" "on" - dysfunctional ? Debian 9 |
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| 20:39.42 | jottr | dvs: Yes. So what does that indicate? What is actually being recovered? |
| 20:41.49 | dvs | jottr, it means that the data being written/read was not correct and the extra bit of correction data had to be used to determine what the correct value was |
| 20:45.13 | Barralastic | touchpad earned, thx |
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| 20:50.49 | jottr | dvs: I am not so sure about that: https://serverfault.com/a/795159 |
| 20:52.14 | dvs | jottr, do as you wish |
| 20:54.58 | sney | if smartd is giving you *any* kind of repeat notifications it's a good indication that the disk is failing, even if there's some caveat about high/low values. A healthy disk doesn't have any smart notifications. |
| 20:55.27 | sney | (and if it was a bug in smart, it would have started happening when the disk was new, rather than x time into the disk's life) |
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| 21:11.25 | jottr | sney: The smartd warnings relate to pending (1) and reallocated (2) sectors. Which seem to be very low numbers. None of the self tests report failures. I am trying to make an informed decision here. |
| 21:12.07 | genr8_ | small errors lead to big errors |
| 21:12.17 | jottr | ? |
| 21:12.24 | genr8_ | youve been warned. |
| 21:12.31 | jottr | I have backups. |
| 21:12.41 | genr8_ | so do nothing |
| 21:12.49 | jottr | This is not the issue here. I am trying to understand what the values mean. |
| 21:13.07 | genr8_ | it means the drive is suffering errors and its trying to tell you its not happy |
| 21:13.19 | jottr | doh |
| 21:13.52 | genr8_ | as you said, 2 or 1 error is not enough to do anything about, but this will escalate until it DOES manifest as problems you'd care about |
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| 21:16.17 | chaslinux | So solved my debian-installer issue by eliminating the other stuff I had in the pastebin (5-8) and above that adding d-i debian-installer/add-kernel-opts string nomodeset vga=text. |
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| 21:22.32 | genr8_ | jottr, there are things you can do to the drive when you suspect its in a weird state. A) backup, you did that. B) wipe the drive 2 times, first with all 1's, then with all 0's. this may clear the 1 current pending sector, or it may find more uncorrectable ones. or re-allocate from the spare area. either way it would be a stress test, and you'd check the SMART after to get a verified answer on what its doing C) then restore the backup. this will |
| 21:22.32 | genr8_ | refresh the drive and avoid bitrot |
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| 21:24.01 | genr8_ | if it handles all that, you can be more confident in the drive instead of thinking "this drive is acting suspicious" |
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| 21:30.37 | jottr | genr8_: thx! |
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| 22:55.12 | gimmel | Ok, so hypothetically, if I committed the idiotic mistake of hosing file permissions is there any kind of reset feature (short of re-install) within Debian? All of /usr/bin (for example) is locked out. So I can't even chmod... :/ |
| 22:58.30 | satanist | you can boot from a livestick, mount the partition and manuall fix the permissions |
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| 22:59.56 | gimmel | satanist: I figured that would be the case - but are there any guides / approved scripts that will help me know what should be set and where? |
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| 23:03.59 | satanist | in your case you can set all permissions to 755 in /usr/bin, chroot (there are some guides) and reinstall all efekted packages |
| 23:08.12 | annadane | does MATE have a mime type editor like xfce does so i can tell it to always open .jpg or .mp3 files with a certain program? |
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| 23:08.41 | satanist | gimmel: you can also test with 'dpkg --verify package' check if the package is correct installed |
| 23:08.45 | sney | some kind of a gsettings analog probably |
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| 23:11.52 | jmcnaught | annadane: if you right-click on a file of the type you want to configure in the file manager (caja?) in the properties dialog can you configure which application to open with? |
| 23:12.04 | annadane | i can, and i'm an idiot. |
| 23:12.39 | annadane | oh, hmm, not in caja |
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| 23:12.44 | annadane | i thought i could |
| 23:12.53 | annadane | ah no there it is |
| 23:12.58 | annadane | i'm *doubly* an idiot! |
| 23:12.58 | jmcnaught | I thought that's how it was in the GNOME 2 days but I could be mistaken. |
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| 23:16.13 | annadane | still, i like how aggressively xfce does it, once you open it once from thunar it keeps the association and it also has like i said its own mime type editor |
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