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00:00.36zykotick9freeroute: i'm not sure what you want... but i just want to point out you can install onto a usb drive (like it was a hard drive) if you want... just be sure grub is installed to the correct location (note, it _should_ by default)
00:02.05freerouteabff: this boots into a live environment and loads settings from the persistence partition? If so then I'm not sure this is what I'm looking for. Let's say you boot into a live usb stick that you created by just dd'ing the iso image onto a usb stick and booting from there. Once in the live environment, you insert another usb stick. In the live environment you specify to install the OS onto this newly inserted
00:02.07freerouteUSB stick.
00:02.32freerouteI'm looking for installing the entire OS on that USB stick, but without booting into a live environment first.
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00:04.10Digzfreeroute, I guess it is technically possible..... make a debian netboot usbstick on stick #1, boot from it, and then install on stick #2.
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00:04.43Digzvoila, stick #2 should now be bootable and usable.
00:05.04freerouteah ok, but there is no way to do this without booting into netboot or live environment?
00:05.38abffwell you need something to install from, cd or usb or netboot
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00:05.51zykotick9freeroute: <sidenote> personally i find running an OS from USB2 to be incredibly slow...  ymmv.
00:05.55Digzfreeroute, if you make an installer boot usb, it can also be the full ISO DVD version with everything on it if you want.... the installer doesn't boot into live environment.
00:06.28zykotick9freeroute: there is an alternative called debootstrap where you can install debian from another working linux install... but using install media USB/CD is a lot easier.
00:06.29Digzfreeroute, you just have to run the installer once, just like you would install to any hard drive....
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00:09.04Digzfreeroute, and to add to zykotick9 remarks: I would use a USB 3.0 compatible stick for the OS install. At least then you get some form of speed when booting on a computer with USB 3.0 (you will still be backwards compatible with USB 2.0)
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00:10.26freerouteah, debootstrap is what I was initially looking for but now I see that it's pretty involved. I think it would be indeed faster to just boot from installation medium. However: I don't have network connectivity on the machine which will boot from the final USB stick and I don't want GUI. Is there something like netboot but more complete and without GUI?
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00:12.00zykotick9freeroute: two notes 1) you can install a working install without network with netinst (it's VERY minimal) and 2) if you install without neetworking, your /etc/apt/source.list will be "broken" after install, and you'll need to manually add the correct repos.
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00:13.00zykotick9s/a working install/a working system/
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00:24.47AciD`zykotick9 -> well, I have the exact same problem with the netinstall ; it keeps searching for a CD while it's an USB
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00:25.45AciD`the *only* way to pass this blocking bug is to install *from* a live session where the 'CD search' point to the usb
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00:26.21AciD`unfortunately, that old laptop cannot complete the installation while the live session, I think due to the very small RAM available (I let it run for more than an hour)
00:26.53AciD`so, is there anybody here that manage to install the netinst with a USB key (and not get stuck at the 'Detect and mount the CD' step?
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00:29.02zykotick9AciD`: you issue usually shows up when people use unetbootin or rufus (which are both terrible).  i use usb to install debian netinst all the time...
00:29.11AciD`the 'Automated install' also fails miserably at that 'cd' step :/
00:29.40AciD`well, from my Debian testing, I just downloaded a fresh iso and ran `dd if=/home/acid/dl/iso/debian-8.7.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdf; sync`
00:30.01AciD`this is annoying :/
00:30.37AciD`I think I'm seeing this CD problem for a decade now
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00:31.25AciD`it's weird that it subsist across so many Debian version, and that nobody fixed that critical bug. That or all the computers I used are cursed ;)
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00:34.22AciD`the expert mode allows me to choose the steps to run, but I still need to load the components somehow, and the CD (which this netbook does not have) is not to be found there too :|
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00:40.27AciD`is there a way to check the generated USB key?
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00:41.21AciD`since I cannot find any help on the usual search engine, it's really weird that only I get this critical bug, I figured perhaps the dd command did not workedfor the last 10 years? :/
00:41.25AciD`(for me)
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00:42.01zykotick9AciD`: you could try cp as an alternative...
00:42.15zykotick9doens't think it would likely change anything...
00:42.49AciD`do you guys even see that CD step while using the netinst?
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00:43.45AciD`as I said, the _only_ way for me to be able to install debian, is to first startup the live session, *then* from there launch the install. It's the only way I found to bypass the buggy 'Detect and mount CD-ROM' step
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00:56.04Spr1ngI'm trying to upgrade qemu-utils from 2.2.1 to 2.7.1 on a Debian 7 system but I'm getting the following issue with apt-get, can anybody help me determine what the cause of the issue is so that I can troubleshoot? https://privatebin.net/?97f987a2d41b7f4a#3ytzeTGMrdY3trm+0fmuiPDbAPkn6OzkARe1OCZWiS4=
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00:56.43Spr1ngessentially getting "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/qemu-utils_1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u20_amd64.deb (--unpack):"
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00:59.07AciD`oh my, I managed 'unblock' the situation by using the shell menu, then typing `mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/sdb1 /cdrom && ln -s /cdrom /dev/cdrom`
00:59.15AciD`then the installation can continue!
00:59.33AciD`this is really, really bad
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00:59.55AciD`how come this is not automated? Is there really no casual user that install Debian?
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01:15.52zykotick9AciD`: thanks for update.  i've made a note.  i don't think you experience is "typical"... but i certainly can't explain why.
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01:29.26alexygmrun crashes with segmentation fault on dist-upgrade lately, where can i report this bug
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01:31.45ghogday86is xfce 4.12 not considered stable enough to be included in the debian repos or is there another reason?
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01:40.10abffI have it, but I run sid -> $  xfce4/unstable,now 4.12.3 all [installed,automatic]
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01:43.25ghogday86i see. I looked and I didnt see that it was considered unstable...i obviously didnt look good enouhg
01:43.57ryoumai installed libreoffice, but the menu fonts are so small that they are impossible for me to read.  i cannot get closer to the screen.  what can i do to make sure applications don't do this?  i already have dpi set to 240.  is there some library change i must do to make libreoffice behave?
01:43.59ghogday86I know how to install it.  Was curious of the reasoning of it not being available
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01:45.28ghogday86ryouma
01:45.35ghogday86settings>appearance>font
01:46.15ghogday86thats xfce settings not libreoffice settings
01:48.03ryoumahmm, i use fluxbox
01:48.49ghogday86sorry, was on the wrong tab
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01:49.52ghogday86that would be a question for the fluxbox channel
01:50.07ghogday86#fluxbox
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01:51.17abffghogday86: I have no idea what the criteria are for a particular package to move from sid to stable, I assume it's a grueling testing process done by the team who maintains jessie
01:51.49abffWhich is why I run sid, so I can raise flags when I run into problems :D
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01:53.03n4dirpackages don't get from sid to stable at all.
01:55.49ghogday86its been 2 years now since the release of 4.12...
01:56.09ghogday86must be something other then time needed for testing
01:57.11n4dirthe reason is the way debian releases.
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01:59.30ryoumaok i just asked on #fluxbox, but my sense is that fluxbox has nothign to do with it :)
01:59.32ghogday86debian 8 was released 2 months after xfce 4.12 - so youre saying that at release of jessie xfce 4.12 was not the decided upon release 4.10 was? meaning 4.12 will NOT be in the debian repos, ever?  xfce wont be included in the debian repos until the next major debian release?
01:59.39ryouman(not that i know what i am talking about here)
02:00.11n4dirghogday86: yes, that is the way it is. Once stable is released no new software get's in
02:01.29ghogday86@ ryouma: fluxbox is your window manager so yeah you might be right
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02:02.38ryoumawhere should i ask this q?
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02:03.02ghogday86@ ryouma: are you opposed to installing additional software? or are you looking for a terminal solution?
02:03.09abffwhat about #libreoffice ?
02:04.08ryoumaghogday86: i guess i'm looking for any solution that works.  i am more comfortable with scriptable solutions and prefer solutions that are in the debian repo.
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02:09.38ryoumaghogday86: for clarification, i am referring to the menu in the libreoffice application.  (file edit view whatever.)  and other stuff the application does.  they are unreadably small.
02:09.53ghogday86yeah i know
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02:10.34ghogday86that font size is controlled by your DE or your window manager...in your case your window manager - fluxbox
02:11.58ghogday86yes that link i sent you deals with the windows title font but thats where libreoffice and other gui applications pull that information from..the DE or WM
02:12.59ghogday86so if you change the menu font size it will change the title font as well
02:13.17ryoumabut my menu font size in fluxbox is perfect.  i do not want to change it.
02:13.28ghogday86arent they the same size?
02:14.03ryoumathe libreoffice fonts are extremely tiny.  perhaps they do not respect dpi?
02:14.19ryoumaif they were the same size i would not be here asking what to do :)
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02:15.53ghogday86id like to help ya but i think weve polluted the debian chanel with non debian related chat for too long now
02:16.18ryoumaok, i thought this was related enough.  i appreciate your attempts to help.
02:16.38ryoumawhat channel would be appropriate?  no response yet on ##fluxbox.
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02:17.06ryoumain general, does debian have a ... policy or something for font sizes?
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02:27.09ghogday86in general debian does not have a gui interface
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02:28.17ghogday86if you install debian standard it is cli
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02:36.06ryoumathat wasn't what i meant
02:36.23ghogday86what did you mean?
02:36.25ryoumai just mean, what controls font sizes, and does debian try to control them?
02:36.48ghogday86no, in general the WM does
02:36.57ghogday86did you see my PM?
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02:39.20KNERDAnyone got any experience with this Gparted running on a somwhwat Live Disro?  http://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=gparted-live-manual#gparted-live-using-gparted-application
02:39.52KNERDThe GUI application will not launch
02:40.14KNERDaccording to the section Accessing Desktop Menu
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02:44.13somiajWhat live distro are you using?
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02:46.14KNERDIt's clearly Debian as it has the Debian logos
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02:46.47KNERDbut they put gparted on it
02:47.08KNERDthey call it Gparted Live
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02:47.24Hello71!deriv
02:47.28Hello71grumbles
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02:48.07KNERDDoes Debian Live actual have G[arted on it?
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02:52.30peterrooneyHello71: you mean `!based on debian' ?
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02:53.09somiajKNERD: there are multiple debian live images, which one did you get? I think the desktop ones do have gparted on it, if not you can install it with apt-get install gparted
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02:54.01KNERDsomiaj: I got the One the Gparted folks have with their gparted on it. But it refuses to run per their instructions
02:54.08KNERDiw ill give it a try then, thanks
02:55.39somiajwe won't be able to support gparted live image, but try a debian live image. They have one for the different desktop enviorments, and if gparted is not installed, you can install it
02:56.06KNERDthanks
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03:00.10artificialSo I copied my /home/$USER folder to /tmp and then partitioned and mounted a new larger harddrive to /home and lastly copied the $USER dir back to the newly mounted /home. Now gdm doesnt log in to gnome (it keeps going to lockscreen after typing in password).
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03:01.24KNERDi would of just cloned the drive to a larger one
03:01.52Pegasus_RPGHello. I had to install pulseaudio to get sound the latest Firefox ESR but now I can't get any audio from my laptop's speakers. I only get it using the headphone jack. Any idea what I can check?
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03:03.15artificialKNERD: well its too late now. Now what?
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03:07.03KNERDartificial: why too late? you easred the old drive?
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03:09.13LiuYanartificial: how did you "copied" your $HOME folder ?
03:10.16artificialKNERD: ...possibly
03:10.18ryoumaartificial: perhaps you want a symlink?
03:10.25ryoumaartificial: or to change /etc/passwd?
03:10.25artificialLiuYan: cp -r
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03:10.36LiuYanartificial: `/bin/cp -rp`  or  `rsync -av`  should keep file permissions
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03:13.07LiuYanartificial: maybe check /home and /home/$USER permission ?
03:13.44mehulI need to create a debian-live system on a USB stick.  All I have access to is an OSX system.  Will I be able to create it on that ?
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03:17.52artificialdrwxr-xr-x   4 root root 4.0K Mar  4 13:09 home; drwxr-xr-x 31 artificial artificial 4.0K Mar 14 16:07 artificial;
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03:19.38artificialIt says my $USER dir is owned by root
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03:21.41artificial`chown -R artificial:artificial /home/artificial` solved it.
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03:24.29mnsIs it possible to have multiple boot images on a single USB ?   I need to have one for i386 and another for amd64.
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03:28.13zykotick9mns: there is a netinst 32 & 64 bit linked from debian.org in the top right corner
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03:30.03mnszykotick9: what I want to do is have a bootable USB stick.  This way I dont have to carry around cds or dvds.  was wondering if I needed to carry 2 USB sticks or can get it done on one.
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03:32.04zykotick9mns: just one is requied (if you use that one i mentioned), and yes you can put it onto a usb.
03:33.06NemesisDhey folks. just installed debian stable. ive noticed that many web fonts seem to have corrupted glyphs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6clO2aUoAAyAyN.jpg that's what https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Roboto+Mono looks like to me. Same in chrome and firefox
03:33.26NemesisDanyone have any ideas how i can troubleshoot this?
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03:34.54NemesisDits not all web fonts too. roboto looks fine
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03:35.50mnszykotick9: thanks.  so I take it I can't use the USB stick such that it will use the 32-bit image to boot up or the 64-bit image, depending on the architecture I'm on.  That clarifies things.  Thanks.
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03:39.56NemesisDnevermind, fixed fonts!
03:41.00zykotick9mns: upon boot there is a menu for selecting either 32 or 64 bit.
03:45.39KNERDi just download debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso     put it to USB using Live USB Creator, booted it, GRUB loads and that is it. Said "no kernerel loaded"
03:45.48KNERDwhat is going on with that?
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03:49.02curiousxHi! there, sry for the off topic but what do you think about my global CSS that i'm cooking ?  http://i.imgur.com/eaIUbNV.png
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03:51.39KNERDWAY OF TOPIC IS WHAT I THINK
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03:58.50eeeyy2uHow? However they please and with relative ease: Biological warfare (who's going to save the black masses, all those "brilliant" witch doctors and voodoo practitioners?), starvation (cannibalism will only get them so far), simply cutting them off from the White man's "tit" would take care of most of them (no more endless "gibs-me-dats" to get), then roll over the rest militarily (Shaka Zulu will not save them and spears cannot take down drones, jets, or
03:58.55eeeyy2umissiles).
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03:59.27eeeyy2uJews will make quick work of them once they have worn out their usefulness (the brown and yellow masses will be just about as easy to deal with), then their plans will be completed and they will have this world to themselves.
03:59.52eeeyy2uOnce Whites have been completely disenfranchised, displaced, and utterly destroyed, they will circle back around to claim everything from their black and brown WMD's.
03:59.54stoned...
04:00.25stonedcurses: #css
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04:04.38somiajKNERD: don't use a fancy live usb creator, from a command line you can just copy the iso directly to the usb device with cp, cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the usb device
04:04.46somiajKNERD: from windows use win32diskimager
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04:07.29KNERDsomiaj: oh..okay..thanks
04:08.01KNERDsomiaj: i tried tuxboot, tbut that failed
04:08.28somiaj!win32diskimager
04:08.28dpkgwin32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ .  Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images.  See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
04:09.17KNERDsomiaj: yes I have it here, but I thought it was for only .IMG files..t ahnks
04:11.03stonedit also works for solaris .usb images
04:11.17stonedjust any usb image you want to put on a usb thingy
04:11.24stoned(including hybrid iso)
04:11.30stonedas most linux iso are
04:11.35stonedincluding debian installer iso.
04:11.48stonedOtherwise, regular iso files can't be put into usb b/c they are iso9660 fs
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04:12.46stonedThere is also dd for windows, porte by gnu32 iirc
04:13.09stonedBut you have to specify devices like \\PhysicalDevice\somethin like a windows UNC path thingy
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04:13.45stonedThere is also grub2 for windows, with which you can directly boot iso files
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04:14.09stonedand once upon a time there to be goodbye-microsoft (worked with legacy grub)
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04:14.26stonedthere used to be*
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04:24.08KNERDsomiaj: that worked out fine..thanks
04:24.19LiuYanmns: I created a multi-boot live usb, which can boot debian live cd/dvd, 32bit and 64bit. the annoying thing for me is find the boot parameter to change file location.
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05:36.08mnsMy system always want to boot use PXE, even though I have network boot setup as the last option.  It does not boot from the hard drive, even though it used to do that.  Has anyone seen anything like that before ?
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05:37.11topylimns: maybe the hard drive is unbootable
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05:37.41mnshard drive was bootable.  its the same drive I have been booting off from over the last 6-7 months.
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05:38.16topylithat's what they do. they work for a long time and then stop working :)
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05:39.51mns:) yeah I know that, but in this case the drive is spinning up, light on it is flashing, etc.  no noise or anything.  I guess the only way I'm going to find out is to get a bootable CD in there and see how things look like.
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05:41.17topylimaybe it's just your bootloader that's broken. that you can fix off of the bootable cd
05:43.17mnsI did see a CMOS error, which seems to indicate a problem with the battery on the motherboard.
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06:30.52mnsanyone know what the username and password is for Debian Live ?
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06:33.29zykotick9mns: try user:live
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07:42.53meldronhey guys, i'am using debian jessie with the default gnome window manager and i want to run chrome in full screen mode kiosk, but sometimes (let's say every 5th start) the full screen is net complete and a little part is missing. Anybody with the same problem? any suggestions how to fix this?
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07:48.47Kaciemeldron I hate it when that happens
07:49.04meldronHere an screenshot of the incomplete fullscreen http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489564124.png (you can see the desktop an the bottom of the screen)
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07:49.44meldronit is really anoyning because i guess i have to come up with a way the recognize it when it happens so i can restart chrome
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07:51.35moetunesgnome is overkill for a kiosk setup - try a simple wm and set it for fullscreen for all apps
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07:56.00Kaciemeldron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_browsers
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07:58.35topi`how old are the mesa/drm userspace libs in jessie? I'm trying to get "mpv" to display stuff using --opengl-backend=drm but so far no luck (Invalid argument)
07:58.42topi`I compiled mpv from source
07:59.28meldronKacie: why would you suggest switching the browser?
07:59.30moetunesyou might be experiencing dependency hell
07:59.35omilunomilunhello . i need to have some user to ssh to server . i have to use a role to each user to can ssh with only a spechial ip address on thier users
07:59.41omilunomilunhow can i do that?
07:59.59Kaciemeldron so you don't get site hacked
08:00.12meldronsite hacked?
08:00.48Kacieyes. & pls troll elsewhere
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08:01.55ceftopi`: they're not very new. there's newer ones in jessie-backports (mesa 13.0.5, libdrm 2.4.74), but no mesa 17 or libdrm later than that
08:02.10omilunomiluninfact i want my client only can ssh to thier users with thier own ip address
08:02.16topi`cef: so, it's worth checking out the backports
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08:02.52ceftopi`: definitely.. tho of course, you want to make sure you're actually getting hardware accel in the first place.
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08:03.51ceftopi`: what video card? cos if it's intel Kaby Lake (eg: i7-7700), it still won't work (stuck with this issue atm)
08:03.54meldronnot sure what you mean
08:04.26topi`cef: this is an embedded board. It uses Vivante GC2000 graphics :D
08:04.40ceftopi`: ah fun fun.
08:04.42topi`I compiled 4.11 kernel for the fact that it has a working etnaviv 3d drm driver
08:04.53topi`cef: we do this for a living, so it doesn't need to be fun ;)
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08:06.02topi`cef: I think all the pieces are there, but now I just need to "make it work", probably means that I have to compile mesa/libdrm from source
08:06.04ceftopi`: well, good luck with it. :D I know there is mesa 17 and a later libdrm in experimental too, tho as always, it's experimental for a reason.
08:06.26Kaciewished more bosses understood not having fun
08:06.42topi`we're going to use pure DRM/KMS without Xorg, but it seems that compiling mesa requires X for some reason
08:07.05ceftopi`: indeed
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08:09.42topi`cef: I know it's possible to take a package or packages from experimental and plant them onto stable via Pinning and other tricks, but I'm a bit wary of this since it's ended up badly in historical times...
08:09.55topi`that's why I prefer to compile the exotic things from source and install to /usr/local
08:10.14bazhangmpv is not exotic
08:10.19topi`well of course then I'd have to apt-get remove the "conflicting" drm/mesa packages
08:10.28bazhangwhat as the end goal with mpv
08:10.28topi`bazhang: no, but mesa 17 is :)
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08:11.27omilunomilunanybody can not help me?
08:11.38jellytopi`: use stretch instead of bolting things onto current stable, probably saner this far in the release cycle
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08:13.10moetunesomilunomilun:  there is plenty on the net about ssh - what have you tried ?
08:13.20topi`jelly: that's a good idea, actually
08:13.31topi`I'll put debootstrap at work, now :)
08:13.42topi`or maybe it works just as well to dist-upgrade jessie to stretch?
08:14.08jellydpkg, jessie->stretch
08:14.08dpkgFirst, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>.  From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch.  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.  If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
08:14.45topi`ok, that's entirely doable
08:15.05topi`I have only one single line in my /etc/apt/sources :)
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08:16.30jellythat means your sources were already incomplete
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08:19.25Lvl4Swordflashplugin-nonfree gives a 404 error message, because https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/25.0.0.127/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz is the latest - not what it's trying to access, which is https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
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08:20.22moetunesI thought flash was dead
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08:20.48bazhangdoesnt chrome have it by default
08:21.55Lvl4Swordmoetunes: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08:21.57Lvl4Swordbazhang: no clue
08:22.13bazhangyeah it does
08:22.17moetunesI've no idea, all my porn is webm's
08:24.04topi`jelly: I just deboostrapped this jessie, and it only gave me a single line to the etc/apt/sources
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08:29.57topi`when does Stretch go to feature freeze?
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08:31.53Lvl4Swordtopi`: Already has, about a month ago.
08:32.01topi`ok, that's good news!
08:32.27topi`what about the great Usr Merge? do I get it with Stretch?
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08:32.55jellytopi`: only if you want to
08:32.59topi`I'd imagine there might be a few packages broken by it...
08:33.05topi`I think I want to
08:33.22Iridosjelly, put stretch freeze in the topic… remove the bit that jessie released (point-release is sufficient)
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08:33.43jellyIridos: no time! Busy arguing!
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08:33.55jellysomeone on internet is WRONG
08:34.07Iridosjelly, I know… because I already told ya numerous times
08:34.14Iridoswe'll cut your pay if you continue like that!
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08:35.03topi`what we want to create, is a system with "transactional" updates, I believe usrmerge will make it simpler
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08:35.55Iridoswhat's the great Usr Merge
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08:36.23jelly,i usrmerge --release sid
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08:36.25juddPackage usrmerge (admin, extra) in sid/amd64: Convert the system to the merged /usr directories scheme. Version: 14; Size: 11.8k; Installed: 43k; Homepage: https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge
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08:37.22userrodid people install it 43k times?
08:37.44Iridosthat should be installed-size
08:37.46bazhanguserro, thats the size
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08:38.20userroah I see lol
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09:06.11__marcoHello. Can I see from packages.debian.org the compilation flags used for a specific package?
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09:08.27__marcoOr, can you make Hangouts work with chromium? I have to use google-chrome but I would avoid if possible
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09:08.53__marcono sorry, I mean the screen sharing function in Hangouts
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09:09.27Iridoswell… when you figured out what you want to ask, we'll be here ^^
09:09.48Iridosthere's a screen-sharing function in google's hangouts?
09:10.09__marcoYes, and we use it a lot
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09:10.37themill!debian/rules
09:10.37dpkgdebian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options.  Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source.  Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number.  See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
09:10.57__marcoBut it doesn't work with chromium. This is why I look for some strange compilation flags in the chromium package
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09:11.17__marcoenable_hangout_services_extension=false
09:11.24IridosI don't see any such thing in the google-chrome I installed
09:12.20Iridosmaybe it was only added in a much later version than jessie's chromium is?
09:12.34__marcoIridos: start an hangout with someone (I do that from gmail) and there is a button in the top left
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09:13.22__marcoIt doesn't work with chromium, only with google-chrome
09:13.38__marcoI would try with firefox
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09:17.58Iridoshm, interesting
09:18.15Iridosbut when I call chromium -> google-chrome, the button also shows up in chromium
09:18.44Iridosoh, but then doesn't seem to work
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09:19.53__marcoIridos: that is exactly my problem
09:20.27__marcoAnd because I have to use the screen sharing at work, I am stuck with google-chrome
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09:24.32__marcoAnd the google talk plugin seems not to work with Firefox :(
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09:24.36__marcotoo bad
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09:33.29BluesKajHey folks
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09:34.20Iridosmaybe that's one of the proprietary bits in chromium
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09:36.21Iridos__marco, https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=416856
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09:37.46kskHey, If I removed the mysql data-dir, how do I make apt-get install reinstall that? there was a dpkg option for that if I remember correctly?
09:38.37IridosThe new hangouts beta works OK in Chromium 46.0.xxxx (on ArchLinux).
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09:38.45Iridosurgh. that seems a thing of the past
09:39.23abffI used hangouts for a spell
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09:39.50__marcoIridos: I have already read it before asking. That is why my first question was: how to show the compilation flags of a specific package
09:40.48__marcoIridos: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-chromium/pkg-chromium.git/tree/debian/rules#n46
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09:44.34Iridoswell, themill already answered that debian/rules
09:44.42Iridosbut… that but is from 2014 and was closed 2016
09:45.46Iridoshm, interesting
09:46.25Iridosbut… didn't the bug kind of state it's working without anything special and WontFix?
09:46.26TimurTheLame__marco, pardon me if you already said this, but are you on sid by any chance?
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09:46.37TimurTheLame__marco, can you use any other extension in chromium?
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09:49.32Iridosdpkg, tell __marco about build custom package
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09:55.09__marcoTimurTheLame: I am using stretch, I don't update it too oft, but I do for firefox/chrome/chromium
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09:55.32TimurTheLame__marco, can you install extensions?
09:56.56__marcoI don't know. I try to use Firefox as much as possible and I switch to chromium/google only to use the google's services
09:57.05__marcocan you name just one?
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09:57.51TimurTheLame__marco, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852398
09:57.52juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/852398 in chromium (closed): «chromium: option --enable-remote-extensions does work: extensions cannot be enabled nor be installed»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-24; last modified: 2017-03-11.
09:58.04dionysus69i have no iptables installed
09:58.05TimurTheLame__marco, tried chromium --enable-remote-extensions?
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09:58.10dionysus69does that mean i dont have firewall at all
09:58.11dionysus69?
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09:58.41TimurTheLame__marco, don't know if it applies to stretch as well, but on sid I had to make a little script run chromium with that flag in order to use extensions X_X
09:59.43__marcoTimurTheLame: you are right, the Extension entry in the menu is disabled
09:59.54TimurTheLame__marco, maybe Google Hangouts is a Chromium extension?
10:00.11__marcoIt is a plugin, but I'll give it a try
10:00.24TimurTheLame__marco, https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/google-hangouts/nckgahadagoaajjgafhacjanaoiihapd?hl=en
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10:02.53TimurTheLame__marco, managed to install it?
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10:05.28__marcoTimurTheLame: not yet. Hangouts *works* in chromium, but I cannot share the screen
10:05.41__marcoI click on the share button and nothing happens
10:06.31__marcoI try to install that extension but very unlikely something change
10:07.24__marcoTimurTheLame: I cannot install it:  installation is not enabled
10:07.48TimurTheLame__marco, I would personally delete ~/.config/chromium and run chromium again with the --enable-remote-extensions argument
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10:08.47__marcoTimurTheLame: I used that switch. I try to remove the config dir
10:08.49TimurTheLame__marco, I had a similar problem to yours when I tried to sync my chromium's extensions with my google account's and if I didn't do it with a clean .config/chromium, it wouldn't work
10:09.08TimurTheLame__marco, BE CAREFUL THAT IT CONTAINS PERSONAL STUFF
10:09.17TimurTheLame__marco, forgot to mention this :D
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10:09.38TimurTheLame__marco, I assumed nothing important would be in your chromium atm since you said that you had no extensions on it
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10:10.00__marcoTimurTheLame: don't worry, I am very careful with rm
10:10.14__marcoI just renamed it
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10:11.18__marcoTimurTheLame: right, the extensions item in the menu is now enabled. previously it was not, even with the --enable-blabla switch
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10:12.27__marcoTimurTheLame: but the share screen still does not work
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10:12.36TimurTheLame__marco, hmm
10:13.54__marcoTimurTheLame: Iridos thank you for looking on this, but I cannot dedicate more time on this
10:13.55TimurTheLame__marco, I wouldn't be surprised if some FSF nut maintaining the package didn't compile with that feature if they had the gal to disable extensions by default
10:14.19TimurTheLame__marco, np
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10:16.00__marcoI personally stopped to fighting against those people. Too bad that I cannot use Firefox/chromium, I still continue to use google-chrome
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10:16.22__marcowith firefox was the same story, different actors
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10:17.34__marcoI have to use Pulse-something to log in a vpn and used to do it with firefox. Now the java plugin is not anymore supported and I have to use IE
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10:17.42yangWhich partition type needs to be selected for Windows vfat - http://paste.debian.net/plain/919985
10:17.46__marcoor edge or how it is called
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10:18.33colo-workis there a package in Debian that implements a server for the sntp protocol?
10:18.41__marcoI have to go. Bye
10:18.43colo-work(used in networking gear)
10:19.33TimurTheLame__marco, later
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10:20.31petn-randallcolo-work: Doesn't look like there are such packages. Your gear *only* support sntp?
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10:20.43colo-workpetn-randall, apparently, yes
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10:21.26TimurTheLame__marco, if you're still interested, here's the ./debian/rules of the chromium stretch package with google hangouts disabled
10:22.20rgrtwo newly installed machines. pristine stable. enabled Xforwarding in /etc/sss/sshd_config. when I "ssh -X othermachine" and then run, say, "pcmanfm" the pcmanfm is actually coming up on the other machine and not the client I am sshing in from. What obvious thing have I forgotten?
10:22.22TimurTheLame__marco, https://www.pastiebin.com/58c915d80b371
10:22.29plasmoduckhow do I change the grub background image when my computer boots?
10:22.38TimurTheLame__marco, enable_hangout_services_extension=false
10:23.20__marcoTimurTheLame: so you think to set it to true would be enough?
10:23.26__marcos/so/do/
10:23.31TimurTheLame__marco, have no idea :D
10:23.35__marcoahaha
10:23.38__marcoI will try
10:23.41TimurTheLame__marco, never rebuilt a debian package
10:23.43abffwhat about rdate
10:23.56__marcoTimurTheLame: you should at least once
10:23.57TimurTheLame__marco, and I just switched back to archlinux :D
10:23.59abff, rdate
10:24.04__marconot a terrible experience
10:24.10abff(someone make the bot do the thing)
10:24.20__marcobye
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10:26.37abffcolo-work: check out 'apt search rdate' see if it fits the bill
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10:27.07colo-workI'm researching that sntp topic a bit, and afaict so far, any ntp server should be able to speak it...
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10:27.51archer121Hi, I am trying to install a package called 'matrix-synapse' from a 3rd party repository. I added it to my sources.list, and when I try to install, it gives the unmet dependencies error. The package requires "pyhton-nacl" and "python-openssl", but installing one uninstalls the other. How do I fix this?
10:28.45colo-workcheck if the 3rd party repository you enabled is actually advertised to work with your installed release of Debian
10:29.39rgrdoh. obvious.
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10:30.59abffcolo-work: You may want to comment out unofficial repositories in sources.list?
10:31.47archer121It says Jessie and I am running Debian 8. The package is available under / packages / sid (unstable) / net / matrix-synapse in debian
10:32.16abffcolo-work: https://paste.debian.net/plain/919991
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10:32.42AlmteshHi.
10:33.04AlmteshI'm looking for the program that displays system information on desktop.
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10:33.57AlmteshIt can be configurated to display load charts and refresh them a fixed intervals.
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10:34.36archer121Almtesh: try conky?
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10:36.26TimurTheLameAlmtesh, use a desktop environment like xfce, gnome or kde? Or a tiling WM?
10:36.37rgrAlmtesh: htop is good.
10:37.23rgrgnome3 tiles pretty good. I've dumped xmonad now. The integrated nature of gnome just makes it a no brainer rather rhan running through hoops with .xinitrc.
10:37.34Almtesharcher121, it's the one I was looking for.
10:37.47AlmteshTimurTheLame, it's for Mate.
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10:38.15Almteshrgr, htop does not display on desktop and is not configurable enough.
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10:39.47TimurTheLameAlmtesh, doesn't Mate have taskbar plugins and stuff like that?
10:40.09colo-workabff, I'm not having trouble with my packages/repos; that was archer121 :)
10:40.22colo-workabff, also, rdate seems to provide the client part of SNTP only
10:40.26colo-workor am I missing something?
10:40.45AlmteshTimurTheLame, actually, I allready have something with the taskbar, but I'm looking for something else because it's not really simple to use.
10:41.11AlmteshTimurTheLame, it's to deploy on a lot of computer to users.
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10:42.23abffcolo-work: Nah I'd say you're right it only claims to set the system time from a remote host, not act as one
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10:48.16reevI tried apt-get install strongswan-plugin-eap-mschapv2 but it said no package
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10:49.09Wulfreev: libcharon-extra-plugins perhaps?
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10:53.03brontosaurusrextrying to compile ffmpeg on stretch, but getting this https://paste.debian.net/plain/919993 , any ideas?
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10:56.56reevWulf yeah
10:57.38BluesKajbrontosaurusrex, there's no need to compile ffmpeg for stretch
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10:59.32BluesKajinstall it from the repos, brontosaurusrex
11:00.07brontosaurusrexBluesKaj: ok ...
11:01.02gerforce1hello, i have a problem with upgrade my debian. When i try to apt-get update. There is a error: hash sum mismatch. What's the reason for this problem?
11:01.21syphergerforce1: Bad mirror, misbehaving network hardware, etc.
11:01.37missmbobswitch mirrors, try again later
11:01.37Wulfgerforce1: the nsa trying to hack you
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11:03.53gerforce1one mirror is : http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/source/Sources
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11:04.32missmbob!jessie sources.list
11:04.32dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
11:04.59missmbobi like deb.debian.org
11:05.23brontosaurusrexBluesKaj: that actually did the trick, thanks.
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11:07.15gerforce1missmbob: for the security updates?
11:07.44missmbobno. the bot covered that
11:08.08syphergerforce1: If the issue is coming from the security updates mirror, just wait a bit and try again.
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11:10.30BluesKajbrontosaurusrex, glad to hear it :-)
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11:11.54brontosaurusrexso are there plans to keep ffmpeg a bit more up-to-date in the future?
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11:13.07gerforce1sypher: there are three mismatches. Two of them are from security mirror
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11:13.53BluesKajbrontosaurusrex, seems so, ffmpeg is effective and finally up to date
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11:23.54topi`whaaat, I just mkfs.ext4'd a new filesystem onto a SD card, but when transferring that card to a system running 3.4 kernel, it said it cannot load the journal
11:24.12topi`I was eventually able to mount it, finally, with this:
11:24.13topi`mount -oro,noload /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt
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11:25.56topi`noload = "Don't load the journal on mounting. "
11:26.07petn-randalltopi`: I'm guessing you either ejected the card too early, or there's a hw defect. ext4 hasn't had any incompatible changes for a long time now.
11:26.39topi`OK, I guess it's worth to re'mkfs the thing
11:27.13topi`/dev/mmcblk1p1 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
11:27.17topi`this is what fsck.ext4 says
11:27.32petn-randalltopi`: Since SD cards are sometimes really slow at writing, I'd run 'sync' before ejecting the card. If that still produces problems, it would be worth a try to run badblocks on it.
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11:30.22topi`it seems mkfs.ext4 has metadata_csum turned ON, and that's why an old kernel such as 3.4 refuses to mount it
11:30.25topi`https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums
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11:34.28topi`"It should NOT be possible for old fs code to write to a filesystem with metadata checksums enabled. The metadata_csum flag is implemented as a ROCOMPAT flag, which should keep (non-malicious) old programs from messing things up."
11:34.55topi`so that's why 3.4 won't work. I wonder if this is what the package maintainer of mkfs.ext4 wants?
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11:39.20petn-randalltopi`: I'm guessing that they just stuck with the upstream default.
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11:46.54topi`yes
11:47.03topi`it seems that a 3.14 kernel is able to mount it, but 3.4 isn't
11:47.24topi`I imagine there's numerous systems still running Wheezy, and that would mean a 3.2 kernel
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11:51.00petn-randalltopi`: I see. You can remove that flag with tune2fs if you need to mount that filesystem writeable on an older system.
11:52.24topi`yes. But I think the users deserve to know that nowadays, the default options are not backwards-compatible
11:52.47topi`I also did read up the facts on that option, metadata_csum and the rationale seems to be pretty good. It can catch more errors.
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11:59.52TheEnderDragoni spammed the troll and trolled the spam
11:59.57TheEnderDragonand LOL, the dongs
12:00.12TheEnderDragonit all smells like donkey shit
12:01.02TheEnderDragon!ops | dongs
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12:07.01petn-randallSchool holidays surely started early this year.
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12:10.46topi`oddly enough, I cannot remove that feature with stretch's tune2fs
12:10.50TheEnderDragon!ops | niggers, i blame them for all things
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12:11.00TheEnderDragon!ops heil das dritte reich
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12:11.02topi`tune2fs: Read-only file system while trying to open /dev/sda1
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12:16.15JyZyXELdebian doesn't support AMD R9 380 it seems?
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12:16.47JyZyXELneither the firmware-amd-graphics or firmware-amd-graphics has microcode for it
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12:19.52tdnAfter upgrading from Debian 7 to Debian 8, I cannot start syslog-ng with my own config. If I use the config provided by the package, everything works of course. But my own old syslog-ng.conf does not work anymore. That is, if I start syslog-ng using "service syslog-ng start", it fails. However, if I start syslog-ng in forground, it works fine. How do I debug this?
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12:23.09g0zzyI come to configure a printer for Debian/Mate and can find no dialog to do that. Googling gives nothing! How do i do it?
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12:27.12topi`hmm, wasn't --merged-usr supposed to be available in debootstrap from stretch repository?
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12:27.24topi`I just did apt-get install -t stretch debootstrap and the --merged-usr is nowhere to ve seen
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12:28.41g0zzySurely it IS possible to use a printer in the Mate desktop?
12:29.36themilltopi`: which version of debootstrap did you install?
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12:32.20b0urneahello, i have a problem with find. Is this right: find ./ -name partial -prune -o \( -name security -print\) ?
12:32.22topi`themill: debootstrap 1.0.88
12:32.41themillthat supports --merged-usr just fine
12:33.11topi`yeah, but why doesn't it show up in --help ?
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12:34.07b0urneai want to ignore the partial directory while check other files with name security and print it out.
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12:34.13themilltopi`: it does
12:34.48topi`themill: you're correct, it does
12:35.01topi`I need more sleep
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12:38.42hiyahow to installl WARNING: Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: svg
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12:40.34themillnwe: yes, see the info in the apt-transport-https package
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12:41.43g0zzyI figured out. Either Mate is a work in progress or the Debian packaging of it is. I needed to install the extra package system-config-printer
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12:43.18themillthe debian installer would install that package for you in the gnome desktop; you don't need it to configure a printer
12:43.34themill(and help for mate is in #mate not #debian)
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12:44.09g0zzyIt didn't. I installed task-mate-desktop in Debian, so it's incomplete
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12:45.33b0urneahello, i have a problem with find. Is this right: find ./ -name partial -prune -o \( -name security -print\) ?
12:45.48b0urneai want to ignore the partial directory while check other files with name security and print it out.
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12:46.18themillg0zzy: you don't get to run around claiming that your desktop is lighter without leaving out things.
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12:47.40g0zzyI think perhaps they should leave X out of the next one - that will lighten it a bit more ;)
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12:52.47petn-randalltdn: If it fails with your "old" config, what error messages do you get?
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12:54.59JyZyXELis there a mount option for rootfs that can help to avoid data corruption when you expect the system to freeze multiple times in a single day?
12:55.20petn-randallJyZyXEL: The journal should take care of that.
12:55.23WulfJyZyXEL: ro
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12:55.29petn-randallheh :)
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12:55.41JyZyXELro might prevent the system from working in the first place :p
12:55.55JyZyXEL.zsh_history is the only file that has been corrupted, so far, afaik.
12:56.06ph88^when i try this http://askubuntu.com/a/437053 i get  bash: Exec: command not found  how do i get the Exec command working ?
12:56.11JyZyXEL3 times it has happened today, and i've crashed 6 times
12:56.18tdnpetn-randall, thats the problem. This is the actual syslog. So there is no errors in the logs.
12:56.52tdnpetn-randall, and if I start syslog-ng in the foreground and having it display internal messages in STDERR, then it works fine with the old config and no errors are displayed.
12:57.01petn-randallJyZyXEL: It might have to do with how zsh creates that file. If it deletes the old one and adds a new one, it might be gone. truncate + append *should* in theory either give you the old or the new contents.
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12:57.10tdnpetn-randall, invoking in foreground with "syslog-ng -e -F"
12:57.26petn-randalltdn: You still have the systemd journal to check.
12:57.31JyZyXELpetn-randall: i always find some garbage near the end
12:57.43petn-randalltdn: 'journalctl -u syslog-ng' should give you some meaningful output.
12:57.48JyZyXELsome escape character, like 40 times repeated
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12:58.04JyZyXELdelete that line and the corruption always gets fixed enough to continue working
12:58.25JyZyXELi just hope the same doesn't happen to any system configuration files :D
12:58.47tdnpetn-randall, systemd[1]: syslog-ng.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start.
12:58.48petn-randallJyZyXEL: They'd need to be written to in the first place for this to happen.
12:58.58petn-randalltdn: No further output?
12:58.59tdnpetn-randall, systemd[1]: Failed to start System Logger Daemon.
12:59.20tdnpetn-randall, and a lot of these: http://paste.yt/p5447.html
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13:00.31petn-randalltdn: Then I'd compare the both config files, and pay close attention to the differences. Then you could try just adding things step-by-step to the original config until it stops working.
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13:00.52tdnpetn-randall, that is what I am trying to do. However, the configs are hugely different :(
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13:01.15tdnpetn-randall, and also, my config actually works if I start syslog-ng in forground. This is what I do not get.
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13:01.37tdnpetn-randall, it is like there is something in the new config that is required for it to be run under systemd. However, I do not see how that makes sense
13:01.40petn-randalltdn: That's unfortunate. Can you show your config?
13:02.12tdnpetn-randall, sure. Just a sec
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13:02.49frositeIn Vera Crypt while trying to encrypt / partition Vera Crypt gives: Error: You are trying to encrypt a system partition. VeraCrypt can encrypt system partitions only under Windows.
13:02.50tdnpetn-randall, http://paste.yt/p5448.html
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13:04.08frositedoesnt it work to encrypt / (system partition) in linux with Vera Crypt?
13:04.46nwethemill: okey :)
13:05.16bezabanfrosite: I would think that means VeraCrypt can encrypt system partitions only under windows
13:05.20tdnpetn-randall, do you see any problems in that?
13:05.49bezabanfrosite: but you can with LUKS
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13:08.52frositei would guess its the cryptsetup install from synaptic?
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13:11.41zykotick9frosite: trying to encrypt / after install might be difficult...  note, setting up full disk encryption is pretty straight forward from the debian install... good luck.
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13:11.57tdnfrosite, do you use SSDs?
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13:12.31tdnfrosite, if so, please take special care when using FDE. Either ensure LUKS supports fstrim or leave som unallocated space
13:13.42syphertdn: Why the unallocated space?
13:14.22tdnsypher, because otherwise wear leveling on the SSD will not happen and it's lifetime will be reduced severely. I learned this the hard way.
13:14.50FinalXmostly not needed on current age ssd's anymore
13:14.57syphertdn: Isn't that what the overprovisioned space on SSDs is for?
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13:15.34tdnsypher, yes, except I do not think that is enough if you use FDE.
13:15.54tdnFinalX, that's what I thought too. Just had several SSDs die on my.
13:15.54syphertdn: Why not?
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13:17.29tdnsypher, I guess it is because the amount of overprovisioned space is only enough to some "average" user. E.g. either unencrypted storage or encrypted storage with trim support. This is speculation on my part, as I do not know enough about this stuff.
13:17.39sypherBecause the disk controller doesn't care about FDE, or about any of the data that's being written.
13:17.51tdnsypher, I only know that I experienced several SSDs fail on me.
13:18.09petn-randalltdn: I can't see anything obvious. I'd check the NEWS file in /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng/. My guess is something with the input, since journald only passes things through to any syslog daemons further down.
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13:19.13tdnpetn-randall, ok.
13:20.02jhutchins_wkpetn-randall: What log does journald get written to?
13:20.03frositei didnt know that it didnt? work or is as easy to encrypt full installed / system under linux like it is in Windows
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13:21.15petn-randalljhutchins_wk: It's not persistent normally, but it's some binary log format.
13:21.18frosite...that must do it in or its better to do it in the installation of the distro
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13:33.29jellyNathan: no, irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) is
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13:53.02bezaban,v apt
13:53.03juddPackage: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4~rc2; sid: 1.4~rc2
13:53.05JyZyXELhow do i get a list of files for .deb package that hasn't been installed?
13:53.18JyZyXELlike 'dpkg -L' does
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13:55.10bezabanJyZyXEL: apt-file list
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13:57.32JyZyXELreturns nothing for apt-file list firmware-amd-graphics
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13:58.16bezabanJyZyXEL: did you update the cache as it told you when you installed it?: )
13:58.44bezabanoh wait, I seem to be getting the same :)
13:59.16bezaban,v firmware-amd-graphics
13:59.17juddPackage: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
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13:59.27JyZyXELoh there is a backports
13:59.46bezabanyeah
13:59.50bezabanonly in backports
14:00.10JyZyXELit conflicts with the firmware-linux-nonfree
14:01.27JyZyXELlooks like the "firmware-amd-graphics" has the required firmware/amdgpu/tonga_* that i require
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14:13.23jhutchins_wkJyZyXEL: It should be possible to manually download, unpack, and place the files.
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14:14.13JyZyXELjhutchins_wk: yeah, i noticed when "locate" found the necessary files from under a stretch chroot :P
14:14.26JyZyXELsimply copied them over
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14:16.03ghormoonhi, anyone using zfs from jessie-backports with backported kernel (4.9)? the module doesn't build, I've found out some parameters to configure can fix that. Is that the right way, to modify somehow how dkms builds that?
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14:18.53jhutchins_wkghormoon: Did you get build-essential from backports?  (I don't know if that's needed, just that it's there.)
14:19.21ghormoonjhutchins_wk: I've just found out there's newer version of the zfs package also which didn't update, I've missed something
14:19.29ghormoonlet's see in few minutes if it fails too
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14:22.13wreck_booi have been trying to build a custom kernel on a 32bit debian operating system but it says "Exec format error"
14:22.13wreck_booany help please
14:23.22petn-randallwreck_boo: Why are you building your own kernel?
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14:24.01wreck_boosome reasons i wana add some more features and more module support
14:24.07wreck_booany HELP?
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14:25.46petn-randallwreck_boo: That can be solved with DKMS, you don't need to compile your own kernel for that.
14:26.11wreck_boowhat is DKMS?
14:26.17petn-randallwreck_boo: I'm guessing that you accidentally disabled ELF support, or compiled for the wrong arch? Where exactly did you get that error?
14:26.20petn-randall!dkms
14:26.20dpkgDynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules.  Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms).  DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ .  The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
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14:27.25wreck_booam building a kernel for android on debian..........
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14:27.39wreck_boohow is that possible using dkms?
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14:28.15petn-randallwreck_boo: That's why I asked you about why you're building a kernel. If it was for Debian, DKMS would have helped here.
14:28.30petn-randallwreck_boo: Where are you getting this error? How are you building the kernel?
14:28.43wreck_booat the make command\
14:29.23wreck_boois there any way i can run x86_64 binaries on x86?
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14:30.21petn-randall...
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14:30.59jellywreck_boo: on a cpu that does not support x86_64 instruction set?  Only by way of full emulation.
14:31.25jhutchins_wkwreck_boo: A VM _might_ work.
14:31.34wreck_boojelly: how
14:31.44jellywreck_boo: qemu can do it, expect it to be 10-100 times slower than native
14:31.48petn-randall!goal
14:31.48dpkgDescribe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
14:32.08wreck_booam already running on a 32bit debian vm
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14:32.18jellywreck_boo: what are you trying to run?
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14:33.08wreck_boodpkg: am trying to build a kernel on android but is seems the toolchain is only supported for 64bit pc
14:33.08dpkgwreck_boo: that's too long
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14:33.52jellywreck_boo: get a 64bit machine, or a native toolchain for your system
14:34.12wreck_boohow can i then get the native toolchain jelly
14:34.14jellyemulated compilers are going to be a pain in more ways than one
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14:34.26jellywreck_boo: how did you get the 64bit one?
14:34.51wreck_boojelly:  via aosp website
14:35.18jellywreck_boo: ask them, probably, or ask in #android ?
14:35.36wreck_boook
14:35.48jellyis your host really incapable of 64bit?
14:36.00wreck_boojelly:  yea
14:36.06wreck_boo32bit debian
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14:36.19jellywreck_boo: you said that 32bit debian was a VM
14:36.33jellyI'm asking about the host that VM runs on.
14:36.50wreck_boothe the host is also 32bit windows
14:37.13petn-randallwreck_boo: On a 32bit CPU?
14:37.21jellywreck_boo: boot a live 64bit linux instead, dunno?
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14:40.05wreck_boojelly: can i run any other emulator apart from qemu
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14:40.19wreck_boothat would emulate 64bit?
14:40.25wreck_boodo u knw any?
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14:41.15GlooomyHi :)
14:42.22wreck_booanybody?
14:42.36petn-randallwreck_boo: We already told you how to fix your problem, and jelly already told you why emulating 64bit is a bag of problems.
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14:42.54GlooomyMy residence's network is administered through a debian server. There are some security cameras connected to it and I'm trying to figure out how to configure them, any idea where I could look?
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14:43.36petn-randallwreck_boo: And the more you ignore questions directed to you regarding your problem, the more likely it will be that no one is willing to help you.
14:43.36wreck_boopetn-randall: i dint get any clear solution...
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14:44.10towo^worksure you get
14:44.19towo^workboot or install a 64bit linux
14:44.22petn-randallwreck_boo: The answer was pretty clear: "15:35 <     jelly > wreck_boo: ask them, probably, or ask in #android ?"
14:44.41petn-randallwreck_boo: Or that. You already got two answers then.
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14:44.53wreck_boopetn-randall: OK!
14:45.07Glooomy(The previous network administrator has gone awol and I'm the only one here with some experience with these things so I was asked if I could do some modifications but have no idea where to look for... there are some entries in iptables concerning the cameras but that's all I could find)
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14:46.49sypherGlooomy: I don't know that you're going to get much help here. We -may- be able to assist with the Debian side. The cameras, not so much.
14:48.09Glooomysypher where would you look for configuration fils for this sort of hardware? The whole thing is working so there must be some configuration somewhere but I can't find anything
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14:48.47sypherGlooomy: Not a clue.
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14:54.07jhutchins_wkGlooomy: A lot depends on the camera hardware (and software).  There really aren't any standards for such things.  Are they connecting via networking or coax?
14:54.33jhutchins_wk!webcam
14:54.33dpkgFor webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>.  See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam
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14:54.50Glooomyjhutchins_wk Networking, iirc
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14:55.17jhutchins_wkGlooomy: The webcam stuff assumes a wired connection, usb or something.
14:55.22OnceMeis systemctl supported on debian jessie?
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14:55.32petn-randallOnceMe: yes
14:55.36fishsticks!ldvb
14:55.40fishsticks:(
14:55.59OnceMepetn-randall: why does systemctl enable supervisor didnt bring supervisor started on machine reboot?
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14:56.32jhutchins_wkGlooomy: I'd start by tracking down manufacturer and model.  Use the usual diagnostic tools to see what's running on the sytem.  If it's publishing a web page, read the configuration and content files for the webserver.
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14:56.50petn-randallOnceMe: Does the systemd unit 'supervisor' exist? Can you start it via 'systemctl start supervisor'?
14:56.51jhutchins_wkGlooomy: Third party software is often installed under /opt
14:57.02petn-randallOnceMe: Did you check the status with 'systemctl status supervisor'?
14:57.03Glooomyjhutchins_wk Thanks for the tips. What w
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14:57.19Glooomy* what do you call usual diagnostic tools?
14:57.51jhutchins_wktop, ps, lsof, netstat
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14:58.08Glooomyright. Will start there. thanks :)
14:58.13jhutchins_wkchkconfig --list
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15:01.04OnceMepetn-randall: yes
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15:01.36OnceMesystemctl status supervisor
15:01.42OnceMegives Active (running)
15:02.20petn-randallOnceMe: Then I guess it did start on machine reboot.
15:03.33SerajewelKSis there a way with the systemd version in jessie to delay auto-mounting of an fstab entry until after the network is up?  trying to automount s3fs at boot causes a panic into recovery mode because a "required" filesystem couldn't be mounted.
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15:04.02SerajewelKSIIRC the _netdev mechanism is newer than the systemd version in jessie
15:04.11GlooomyIsn't runlevel 5 supposed to be for when there is a display manager ? If my server is in runlevel 5 does it mean there is some way I can get a graphical interface to it?
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15:04.39sypherGlooomy: That's a Red Hat-ism.
15:05.00GlooomySo not the same for debian?
15:05.01SerajewelKSGlooomy: if you're using systemd, there aren't really even runlevels
15:05.11sypherGlooomy: Also that. ^
15:05.16SerajewelKSGlooomy: and you'd only get a display manager if you have one installed
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15:06.08SerajewelKSsystemd has "targets".  display managers will usually declare wanted-by multi-user.target, which means basically that booting into the multi-user target (the default) will start the display manager automatically.
15:06.21SerajewelKSbut, of course, if you don't have a display manager installed, you're not going to be running a display manager
15:06.47GlooomySerajewelKS Well, if I type runlevel I get N 5 ?
15:07.07OnceMeok it works now
15:07.09OnceMehmm
15:07.19OnceMenginx is still in startup
15:07.30OnceMebut would it hurt if I make sure its in startup that I do one more time systectl enable nginx?
15:07.32sypherGlooomy: Are you on Jessie?
15:07.40SerajewelKSGlooomy: so do i
15:07.41OnceMeits going to overwrite current config or?
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15:08.05Glooomysypher No idea what that is :-)
15:08.08SerajewelKSGlooomy: there is some compatibility layer on top of systemd providing sysv-initd-like functionality
15:08.19SerajewelKSGlooomy: what happens if you run systemctl
15:08.33GlooomyNever used debian before, just trying to figure out how this whole configuration is working
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15:08.48SerajewelKSGlooomy: jessie is the current stable release of debian
15:09.07SerajewelKSin other words, the 8.x series of releases
15:09.35GlooomySerajewelKS I get a long table with headers UNIT, LOAD, ...
15:09.48skritehey all, i make an sqldump of our db and update the file (tar.gz) to another machine. the file is huge (32 GIG) and clogs up the network when i send it sftp. any ideas?
15:09.57SerajewelKSGlooomy: so you're using systemd, and the concept of a runlevel is a bit of an illusion
15:10.10SerajewelKSskrite: what is your question?
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15:11.30skriteSerajewelKS, well, just looking for a better solution to move a giant file from one box to another without locking up the bandwidth of the network
15:11.36SerajewelKSGlooomy: my understanding is that systemd allows the concept of a runlevel and maps it onto a particular target
15:11.45SerajewelKSGlooomy: so runlevel 5 is mapped to multi-user.target, i think
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15:12.03SerajewelKSGlooomy: the likely explanation for not having a display manager running is that you never installed one
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15:12.29alpharray__Hello
15:12.37GlooomyI have debian 8u3, apparently
15:12.39alpharray__I have a big problem for which I need help
15:12.46jhutchins_wkSerajewelKS: _netdev is definitely older than systemd.
15:12.50SerajewelKSskrite: do it outside of the network then, use removable media
15:12.56alpharray__I accidentally deleted all my users and don't know how to login into the system
15:13.23alpharray__I have the Not listed? functionallity but can't get in, what should I do?
15:13.24SerajewelKSjhutchins_wk: huh, weird.  maybe there was some bug related to it then.  i just remember last time i tried it, the system still went into panic at boot.
15:13.33ggff8Alpharray: su
15:13.34bezabanalpharray__: how exactly did you do that?
15:14.00alpharray__I was removing a user and when the prompt asked delete all files I clicked
15:14.01jhutchins_wkskrite: There are tools that will throttle the transfer.  It will be slower, but won't cause network problems.
15:14.08alpharray__It asked again and it was for my user
15:14.12jhutchins_wkskrite: You can also do a physical transfer.
15:14.18alpharray__I am panicing
15:14.27SerajewelKSalpharray__: which files did you delete?
15:14.39alpharray__I deleted the users
15:14.42bezabanalpharray__: so, what files and what were you using to do that? did you try logging in as the root user?
15:14.46alpharray__I don't have a user in the machine
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15:15.28SerajewelKSalpharray__: so you deleted /etc/passwd?
15:15.29jhutchins_wkalpharray__: Do you mean you removed the home directories, or did you do something to the shadow password system?
15:15.31skritejhutchins_wk, yes, i could do a physical transfer and sneakernet this around on a large usb, but I wanted a way to automate this in cron every week
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15:15.43alpharray__I removed the home directories I think
15:15.46skritejhutchins_wk, what kind of tools will throttle sftp?
15:15.52SerajewelKSalpharray__: then the users still exist, but all of their data is gone
15:15.54alpharray__I went to settings an press the remove user button
15:16.13SerajewelKSalpharray__: log in as root and look in /home to see what's there
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15:21.59alpharray__Alright
15:22.03jhutchins_wkalpharray__: I think deleting $HOME would prevent a GUI login, but not a console one.
15:22.08alpharray__I went to settings and clicked the users button
15:22.20jhutchins_wkalpharray__: If you just deleted the users from the password system, you can recover pretty easily.
15:22.26alpharray__From there I kicked a little minus on the user and hit delete all files
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15:22.31SerajewelKSalpharray__: if you are worried about the data then you should immediately shut down the machine and attach the drive(s) to another, working linux machine, and mount them READ-ONLY and look around
15:22.58SerajewelKSif you truly did delete data, then having the filesystem mounted read-write can destroy whatever might be left of the data
15:23.03alpharray__SerajewelKS: I am worried about the data but it is not my biggest worry at the moment
15:23.15alpharray__Wait
15:23.29jhutchins_wkThis is why GUIs are dangerous, and the argument that it makes it possible to administer a system without learning the CLI is bogus, you are doing things you don't understand.
15:23.30alpharray__Give root password for maintenance
15:23.33alpharray__What should I do?
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15:23.39alpharray__It says incorrect login
15:23.43Glooomysorry, was afk. I'm actually connected to it by ssh, how do I check if there's a display manager running ? Can I just start a DM on my local machine through ssh? (I'm reading contradicting information online)
15:24.17SerajewelKSalpharray__: recovery mode of the installer is different from recovery mode of your existing system
15:24.25SerajewelKSalpharray__: you need the installer CD to do this
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15:24.37alpharray__I had a ctrl-d to continue
15:24.49SerajewelKSalpharray__: the recovery mode on the system itself assumes you know the root password.  it would be a bit silly if you could get root privileges on the system just by rebooting the system and selecting a different entry in grub.
15:24.57jhutchins_wkGlooomy: Probably want to stay away from the GUI for what you're doing.
15:25.15jhutchins_wk!forgot root password
15:25.15dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
15:25.26alpharray__SerajewelKS: Let me see what I can do, I am running everything from a Mac (Hardware) as I changed the operating system a long time ago
15:25.34alpharray__SerajewelKS: Lets see what there is
15:25.39SerajewelKSGlooomy: you could run a VNC X server and tunnel over ssh... but it general using displays remotely is a bit silly on linux
15:25.50alpharray__That didn't seem to have worked
15:25.53Glooomyjhutchins_wk It's not necessarily for the webcam thing, I'm just trying to figure out how the whole setup is (and get comfy with debian along the way ;))
15:25.56alpharray__I have the same entry as before
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15:26.15SerajewelKSalpharray__: of course it didn't work, you're not doing what we're telling you to.  you're running off doing whatever you think it means instead of doing what it actually means.
15:26.17jhutchins_wk!handbook
15:26.17dpkgThe Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded.  From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package.  Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
15:26.23supperUSERls
15:26.31alpharray__SerajewelKS: I am sorry
15:26.33SerajewelKSalpharray__: if you're not going to listen then there's little incentive for me to continue trying to assist
15:26.36alpharray__I am really nerveous and panicing
15:26.39alpharray__Let me calm down
15:26.49alpharray__Ok, sorry once again
15:26.50SerajewelKSalpharray__: go for a quick five minute walk and come back focused
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15:27.02alpharray__Alright
15:27.05alpharray__Done leave please
15:27.14jhutchins_wktakes SerajewelKS's advice.
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15:28.59ggff8I wish people would backup data that is so important to them
15:29.10ggff8Seems common sense to me
15:29.26SerajewelKSor entire systems, if they are that critical
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15:29.56sypherJust use RAID, right?
15:29.58sypherducks.
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15:30.52ggff8You dont bury family photos in the ground if theyre important to you
15:31.11SerajewelKSthat reminds me, i need to rework my owncloud server backup scripts
15:31.21SerajewelKSspeaking of family photos :>
15:32.09teraflopswe should hot help people to recover data, they should have backups.
15:32.24petn-randallsypher: I've just got my data in "the cloud", it should be safe, right?
15:32.30teraflopslol
15:32.49petn-randallEspecially clicking around as root is a mortal sin.
15:32.50teraflopspetn-randall: at least encrypt it
15:32.56ggff8Not until it 'rains'
15:33.30teraflopspetn-randall: also _only cloud_ is not 100% safe
15:33.47teraflopsconsider a mega solar storm
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15:33.55ggff8Nothing is %100 even redundency
15:34.01teraflopsright
15:34.13SerajewelKSthere's a point where you get diminishing returns on your expenses
15:34.35ggff8You could burn data to a million dvdrs and theorhetorically they could all somehow be destroyed
15:34.42SerajewelKSas soon as you have a single off-site backup, your returns diminish pretty dramatically on the next redundant thing
15:34.42petn-randallYou could always chisel your data into stone.
15:34.53teraflopsggff8: well DVD's are a joke, even paper is better
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15:35.02petn-randallthis ^
15:35.08ggff8Lol i like the stone idea
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15:35.15petn-randallDVDS don't even have a half-life of 10 years, AFAIR.
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15:35.34SerajewelKSmy backup plan generally involves having a gpg private key on paper in multiple physical locations, the passphrase split with ssss so that you need a minimum of those physical pieces to access the key
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15:35.42ggff8I could just have my gf remember all my data..she doesnt ever forget shit
15:35.46SerajewelKSthe use the public key to encrypt the backups and store them on multiple, different cloud storage providers
15:35.52teraflopseven having data in detached HDD's can be lost because HDD's need to spin
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15:36.02toruvinnmy old self-burned dvds died in like 2-3 years. by "died" i mean "appeared as empty in at least 3 readers i tried"
15:36.18SerajewelKSteraflops: i thought spinning was bad, don't the heavier bits gradually move to the edges of the disk? :>
15:36.24toruvinnlol
15:36.46toruvinnSerajewelKS, wouldn't this make the drives defragment themselves over time nicely? ;-)
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15:37.03toruvinnwell, at least free space
15:37.07han-solothe gravity is too strong there :}
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15:37.14ggff8Contious backup over several media forms is the best way to preserve data. Even thats not technically %100
15:37.23jhutchins_wkggff8: Smithsonian or LoC just published a study on bitrot on writable disks.  It's about 25%.
15:37.29kevrI'd like to install debian on a ton of usbs, but i need some packages installed beforehand, is there a standard guide for doing this? i.e. turn a chroot into a bootable debian install
15:37.41jhutchins_wkThen there's this: Zero data loss: https://github.com/philipl/pifs
15:37.50SerajewelKStoruvinn: the fastest way to defragment is mkfs, after that i always get 0% fragmentation reported
15:37.53kevrbasically i want to make a small debian boot with distcc so i can live boot a distributed compile
15:37.56jhutchins_wk!preseed
15:37.56dpkg[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation.  The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 .  See also <debconf-set-selections>.
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15:38.04petn-randallkevr: Look into debootstrap, or what jhutchins_wk said.
15:38.13teraflopsSerajewelKS: the absence of spinning is just as bad and heads get demagnetized eventually
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15:38.21kevrso i've already gotten like 5 debootstrapped chroots
15:38.26kevrthat are ready to go
15:38.28SerajewelKSteraflops: i know, i was being silly
15:38.34teraflopsah ok
15:38.35jhutchins_wkkevr: I'd just develop a standard image and copy thay rather than running multiple installs though.
15:38.46SerajewelKSteraflops: i don't actually think that some bits are heavier than others :P
15:38.47kevrwell exactly
15:38.52kevrjhutchins_wk: that's what i'm trying to do
15:38.56teraflopsxD
15:39.20SerajewelKSkevr: are you trying to image multiple machines at once?
15:39.22teraflopsSerajewelKS: sorry I misread, it's siesta time
15:39.23kevrjhutchins_wk: so i have a bunch of chroots, all of different architecture, and id like to somehow "package" up the chroot into a fully installed instance of debian
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15:39.37jhutchins_wkkevr: Create a chroot with debootstrap, customize, burn.
15:39.41kevrjhutchins_wk: nah, i want to live boot into a "golden" debian image that contains tools i need for networking things
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15:39.50kevrcan i just burn it and itll boot no problem?
15:39.51alpharray_Ok
15:39.53alpharray_I am back
15:40.06SerajewelKSalpharray_: okay.  do you have the CD or DVD you installed debian from?
15:40.15alpharray_Hm
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15:40.18alpharray_Maybe I do
15:40.24alpharray_But as I said before
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15:40.29SerajewelKSalpharray_: if not, download the netinstall and burn it
15:40.30alpharray_I installed deebian on a mac
15:40.31jhutchins_wkkevr: You might want to have a look at the pendrivelinux site for optimizing for iso.
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15:40.37alpharray_It is goign to be a pain in the ass
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15:40.51jhutchins_wkAhem:
15:40.56jhutchins_wk!lost root password
15:40.57SerajewelKSalpharray_: basically you need to boot from the installer disc and use its rescue mode
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15:41.06jhutchins_wk!forgot root password
15:41.06dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
15:41.13kevrhm.
15:41.13jhutchins_wkalpharray_: Just do that.
15:41.21BluesKajnetinstall work very well, just don't choose the graphical install
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15:41.25SerajewelKShah that's even easier
15:41.32alpharray_Ok
15:41.34SerajewelKSi'm so used to using live CDs to repair stuff
15:41.36kevrit'd be neat if i could somehow turn a chroot into a bootable iso
15:41.39kevrso i can just dd the bitch
15:41.49kevris that what pendrivelinux does?
15:41.54userrocan anyone do that like whoever has access to the computer?
15:41.58SerajewelKSkevr: you might be interested in the live-tools package
15:41.59jhutchins_wkkevr: How do you think bootable isos happen?
15:42.08SerajewelKSuserro: physical access is full access
15:42.11kevrlive-tools sounds legit
15:42.13kevrlets see
15:42.13jhutchins_wkkevr: pendrivelinux has a lot of info and tools.
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15:42.20kevralright, thanks guys
15:42.23jhutchins_wk!live
15:42.23dpkgThe Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own.  These can be used to install a Debian system.  Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ .  http://live.debian.net/  #debian-live on irc.debian.org.  See also <live firmware>.  Currently you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image.
15:42.23SerajewelKSkevr: i've used live-tools to build several custom live environments
15:42.24kevrill check out all these avenues
15:42.25userrodamm
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15:42.49alpharray_SerajewelKS: So I basically need to reinstall
15:42.52alpharray_Right?
15:42.56SerajewelKSalpharray_: nobody ever said that
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15:43.17alpharray_SerajewelKS: what do I have to do then?
15:43.23SerajewelKSalpharray_: what is the nature of this system exactly?
15:43.28SerajewelKShome computer?  work server?
15:43.43alpharray_home computer
15:43.52SerajewelKSokay so there isn't a deadline per se
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15:44.08ggff8Alphaarray: you need to have a specific goal before fixing the issue. Is your goal to retreive data asap or get the system itself running
15:44.12alpharray_I think I don't have the drive I installed it from
15:44.15SerajewelKSalpharray_: if you boot from the installer disc, there will be a "rescue mode" option you can select to basically boot from the CD
15:44.26SerajewelKSi mean boot a live linux environment off of the CD, not your HDD
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15:44.31alpharray_ggff8: My goal is to be able to get into my computer
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15:44.44ggff8Then open the case
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15:44.59ggff8See what im saying?
15:45.07alpharray_Not really
15:45.15SerajewelKShe's being literal
15:45.27SerajewelKSalpharray_: what are you doing at this moment on your computer
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15:45.52alpharray_SerajewelKS: When booting my computer I get to chose if I want normal boot or advanced, if I hit advanced I have a recovery mode option, is that it?
15:45.58n4dirkevr: you might also want to look at refractasnapshot
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15:46.06alpharray_I don't seem to have the original drive I installed my software from
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15:46.20n4dirwhich is not a debian package, but does the job well (easy too, and intuitive)
15:46.29alpharray_SerajewelKS: It was disconnected I just connected it and now I am waiting for orders
15:46.32SerajewelKSalpharray_: no.  but you can download and burn the installer ISO using another computer?
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15:46.43kevrn4dir: thanks
15:46.45SerajewelKSalpharray_: you can also do what jhutchins_wk suggested
15:46.52alpharray_What was that?
15:47.13jhutchins_wkalpharray_: Why are you not following the instructions from dpkg?
15:47.27alpharray_I don't know
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15:48.19SerajewelKS!forgot root password
15:48.19dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
15:48.21SerajewelKSalpharray_: that ^
15:48.51userroanyway to prevent that?
15:49.04userroto stop people from doing it?
15:49.16jellyuserro: on which debian release?
15:49.18SerajewelKSuserro: use full volume encryption
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15:49.39userroJesse
15:49.40alpharray_init=/bin/bash without the quotes, right?
15:49.42jellyyeah, FDE is a possible approach
15:49.54SerajewelKSthat's more or less your only option.  an unencrypted system which is physically in the hands of an adversary is as good as compromised.
15:50.11SerajewelKSthis is not unique to linux
15:50.24jhutchins_wkuserro: If someone has physical access to your system they can do whatever they want with it, one way or another.  FDE is one possible exception, depending on how you implement it.
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15:50.38SerajewelKSthere's a boot CD floating around that can reset the administrator password of any windows NT-based system
15:50.58SerajewelKS2000/XP/vista at least, i haven't used it since vista so it may or may not work with 8/10
15:51.18alpharray_SerajewelKS: what does fsck mean?
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15:51.25SerajewelKSwhich is why i say physical access = full access.  i should quality that i mean unrestricted physical access.
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15:51.31userrothanks, good to know
15:51.35n4dirSerajewelKS: ophcrack ?
15:51.35SerajewelKSobviously a kiosk at the mall is probably relatively safe if security is paying attention
15:51.39jhutchins_wkalpharray_: File system check.
15:51.49alpharray_How is that done
15:51.51SerajewelKSalpharray_: basically type "fsck /" once you get to a shell
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15:52.02SerajewelKSerm it's the device node isn't it
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15:52.45jhutchins_wkSerajewelKS: I think you can use the mountpoint if it's ro.
15:52.48SerajewelKSalpharray_: type "cat /proc/mounts" and look for a line with a single "/" in the second field.  there may be more than one.
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15:53.04SerajewelKSjhutchins_wk: interesting, TIL
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15:53.20SerajewelKSso it can.  it's even documented in the manpage.  imagine that.
15:53.27SerajewelKSalpharray_: so nevermind, "fsck /" should work
15:53.45alpharray_SerajewelKS: let me first see if I get a shell
15:53.55alpharray_!forgot root password
15:53.55dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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15:54.33SerajewelKSalpharray_: just do each thing one step at a time.  don't focus on the next step, focus on the current step.
15:54.46alpharray_Ok
15:55.09alpharray_SerajewelKS: Thanks for your time, you can't imagine how much I appreciate this
15:56.15alpharray_SerajewelKS: I am in the grup command line and nothing happens when I hit e
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15:56.55SerajewelKSyou are looking at a screen that contains grub menu options?
15:57.48SerajewelKSor are you looking at a screen with a grub prompt "grub>"
15:57.49alpharray_SerajewelKS: I am looking at a screen that has a grub command line link grub>
15:57.57SerajewelKSalpharray_: then you went too far, reboot
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15:58.06SerajewelKSalpharray_: basically as soon as you see the grub menu, press e
15:58.12alpharray_ok
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15:58.35SerajewelKSyou should get the grub> prompt again but it will be prefilled with a bunch of text
15:58.49alpharray_Ok
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15:59.01alpharray_I have written the init bash thing after pressing e
15:59.07SerajewelKSthen press enter
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15:59.17SerajewelKSyou should eventually get to a prompt that is a single #
15:59.26alpharray_Pressing enter just adds a new line on that same file
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15:59.55alpharray_!forgot root password
15:59.56dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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16:00.53alpharray_SerajewelKS: I have F2 for a command line ESC to discard changes TAB lists completions F10 to boot
16:01.01SerajewelKSalpharray_: F10
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16:01.36alpharray_crosses fingers
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16:02.12alpharray_SerajewelKS: it seems to be booting as usual
16:02.19jhutchins_wkalpharray_: Cut and paste that to something, or use /msg dpkg forgot root password to get it in a  separate window.
16:02.33alpharray_Ok, sorry jhutchins_wk
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16:02.45jelly,v znc
16:02.46juddPackage: znc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.6.4-1+b1; stretch: 1.6.4-1+b1
16:02.48jhutchins_wkalpharray_: No worries, just expanding our skills.
16:02.54alpharray_:D
16:02.55jhutchins_wks/our/your/
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16:03.18alpharray_SerajewelKS: it didn't work
16:03.24alpharray_I get a GUI screen like always
16:03.35SerajewelKSalpharray_: then the init= didn't take or you didn't add it right or something else
16:04.02alpharray_SerajewelKS: I wrote exactly what it said
16:04.17alpharray_SerajewelKS: Let me restart
16:04.27SerajewelKSalpharray_: to explain what is going on, the init binary is the one that takes care of booting your system by mounting filesystems, starting services, etc.
16:04.37n4dirif you use a liveCD (or if you have dualboot, the other distro) you got the advantage of being able to copy and paste, etc.
16:04.57SerajewelKSalpharray_: with init=/bin/sh we are telling the kernel to use a shell as the init process, which basically means that instead of starting your system's services, you get dropped to a root shell where you can do anything
16:05.38alpharray_SerajewelKS: ok
16:06.14alpharray_SerajewelKS: The frist thing I see in this file is setparams "Debian GNU/Linux"
16:06.19alpharray_That is correct, right?
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16:06.41SerajewelKSalpharray_: one sec let me look at my grub menu, it's been awhile since i've fiddled too much with the boot process
16:07.04alpharray_alright, thanks once again
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16:07.07SerajewelKSalpharray_: you're looking for the line that starts with "linux"
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16:07.32SerajewelKSalpharray_: it should look something like "linux /boot/vmlinuz-VERSION root=/dev/SOMETHING"
16:07.39alpharray_Yeah
16:07.43alpharray_I have that line
16:07.46SerajewelKSalpharray_: add the init clause to the end of that line
16:07.50SerajewelKSthen press F10
16:08.00alpharray_I have a quiet argument at the end of that file
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16:08.05alpharray_THat is correct, right?
16:08.06SerajewelKSthat's okay
16:08.25SerajewelKSleave everything else alone, just add the init=/bin/sh clause and press F10
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16:08.41alpharray_Ok
16:08.47alpharray_I did exactly what you said
16:08.48SerajewelKSyou CAN remove the quiet clause if you want more noise from the kernel but it won't hurt anything to leave it there
16:09.04alpharray_YES
16:09.13alpharray_I have the # prompt
16:09.26SerajewelKSokay now run "fsck /"
16:09.42alpharray_done
16:09.50SerajewelKSthen let's continue the process
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16:09.53SerajewelKS!forgot root password
16:09.53dpkgFor GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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16:10.13SerajewelKSrun the commands given in steps 3-6
16:10.18alpharray_ok
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16:10.58Pegasus_RPGHello. I just installed pulseaudio for Firefox 52 but audio is only coming out the headphone jack, not the main speakers on my laptop when I pull out the headphones. This was not an issue with esound before. Any ideas on what I can check?
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16:11.44alpharray_SerajewelKS: I have done everything
16:11.53alpharray_Until 6
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16:12.07alpharray_SerajewelKS: fuck
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16:12.11alpharray_I didn't see the passwd root
16:12.20SerajewelKSokay, start from step 3 again
16:12.25alpharray_Yeah
16:12.31SerajewelKSyou only did steps 3 and 5?
16:12.34alpharray_This is going to be a long day
16:12.40alpharray_and 6
16:12.46SerajewelKSoh heh
16:12.49SerajewelKSyeah start over then
16:12.56SerajewelKSyou can skip step 2 (fsck) this time though
16:13.15alpharray_Will it hurt to do it again?
16:13.19SerajewelKSno
16:13.28SerajewelKSit won't help anything particularly either
16:13.40ggff8Most days are long days when learning gnu/linux
16:13.41SerajewelKSunless your root filesystem got damaged in the last two minutes
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16:14.14jhutchins_wkBesides which, systemd always does a disk check.
16:14.20SerajewelKSfsck is just a filesystem integrity check.  like "scan disk" on windows.
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16:14.48alpharray_I think I did everything
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16:14.56jhutchins_wkI'm not sure why they included that in the procedure, but like you said, doesn't hurt.
16:15.02alpharray_Lets see if it works
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16:15.23SerajewelKSjhutchins_wk: it makes sense to me that it's a good idea to do before remounting / rw
16:15.28alpharray_SerajewelKS: Thank you so much for everything, once again
16:15.31SerajewelKSalpharray_: np
16:15.40SerajewelKSalpharray_: when you reboot to the GUI, DO NOT LOG IN as root
16:15.42alpharray_I love freenode too much
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16:15.52alpharray_ok
16:16.02SerajewelKSalpharray_: first press CTRL+ALT+F1, which will take you away from the GUI and to a console login.  enter the root credentials there instead.
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16:16.09SerajewelKSyou will get a similar shell prompt ending in #
16:16.16alpharray_Wait
16:16.24alpharray_I will let you know when the GUI pops up
16:16.32alpharray_So we are in the same page
16:16.34alpharray_Here it is
16:16.46alpharray_debian login:
16:16.52alpharray_root creds right?
16:16.52doubledutchalpharray_: !enter
16:16.55SerajewelKSyup
16:17.10alpharray_Ok
16:17.12alpharray_I am in
16:17.16SerajewelKS!enter
16:17.16dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:17.39SerajewelKSalpharray_: now let's do a few things to see what happened.  run "ls /home".  do you get a list of all of the users you expected to see?
16:17.51alpharray_empty
16:17.58SerajewelKSugh.  so their data is gone then.
16:18.12alpharray_Is their a way to get it back?
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16:18.16alpharray_there*
16:18.22SerajewelKSalpharray_: restore backups
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16:18.34alpharray_SerajewelKS: so, that is a no
16:18.42ggff8We have come full circle...
16:18.45SerajewelKSalpharray_: run "cat /etc/passwd".  there's going to be a lot of system users in there, but do you see any entries for any of your users?
16:18.47alpharray_SerajewelKS: cause debian does not keep backups by default, does it?
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16:19.10SerajewelKSalpharray_: there are ways to undelete things on ext* filesystems sometimes, but i'm not aware of the current methods for doing so
16:19.21alpharray_none of my users
16:19.31alpharray_don't worry
16:19.40SerajewelKSalpharray_: so here we have to figure out what your goal is.  do you want to try to recover any data?
16:19.43alpharray_I will just asume data is lost
16:19.52SerajewelKSor do you just want to recreate your users and get back into your system?
16:20.02alpharray_SerajewelKS: be honest, is it going to be very hard?
16:20.16SerajewelKShonestly?  i don't know.  when i do stuff like this i restore my backups.  ;)
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16:20.29alpharray_the only thing I would like to get back would be my password manager
16:20.44alpharray_Oh damn, I just figured this has costs me 100$...
16:20.57SerajewelKSalpharray_: so here's the trick.  the more we use the system while / is mounted read-write, the more likely that your deleted data is being overwritten.
16:21.12SerajewelKSalpharray_: so if you want to recover anything, the first step is to power the machine down ASAP
16:21.18SerajewelKS"poweroff" in your root shell
16:21.19alpharray_nah
16:21.21alpharray_don't worry
16:21.32alpharray_I will keep on with my life
16:21.41alpharray_should I just create a new user?
16:21.42SerajewelKSokay.  then you can use the "adduser" utility to create yourself a new user.
16:21.58SerajewelKSso run "adduser NAME" where NAME is the name of this user you want to create
16:22.05alpharray_yeah
16:22.22alpharray_should I add the user to the sudoers group?
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16:22.39SerajewelKSalpharray_: yes.  "adduser NAME sudoers"
16:22.46ggff8Thats up to you
16:22.56ggff8Having root access didnt work out for you so well last time
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16:23.16SerajewelKSalpharray_: once that is done, you should be good to log into the GUI again.  type "exit" to leave the shell, and ALT+F7 or ALT+F8 to get back to the GUI.
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16:23.26SerajewelKSalpharray_: then NEVER EVER do administration tasks using the GUI ever again
16:23.33SerajewelKSalpharray_: and start taking backups tonight
16:23.42alpharray_Alright
16:23.45Exchizz0rHi guys. I just updated my 3.2 kernel (from stable repo) to 4.9 (from testing) on my debian wheezy box. Everything was working with 3.2 kernel. After I've installed 4.9, non of my networking interfaces are available. ifconfig -a shows no interfaces.  I tried to google, but it seems like nobody else had this problem(or maybe I'm just a bad googler).  I know I don't share a lot of info, but I'm not sure what information to share. Th
16:23.49alpharray_Let me get my system back on its feet
16:23.56alpharray_I will let you know how I am doing
16:24.13jhutchins_wkalpharray_: dpkg has sent you a URL to some useful info for admins.
16:24.17alpharray_Thanks for everything once again, if there is anything I can do for you (apart from taking backups) just let me know
16:24.19Exchizz0rcould it be that kernel 4.9 depends on some systemd stuff ?
16:24.51alpharray_Thanks jhutchins_wk
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16:25.15jhutchins_wkExchizz0r: lspci?
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16:25.30jhutchins_wkExchizz0r: If you boot back to 3.2 are they there?
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16:25.36alpharray_SerajewelKS: when you mean never to do administrator tasks from the GUI, what about the terminal on the GUI, can I do them from there?
16:25.50SerajewelKSalpharray_: yes, that's what i do
16:25.57alpharray_Ok
16:26.02jhutchins_wkExchizz0r: Did you install firmware for NICs in 3.2?
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16:26.08alpharray_Let me get my life back on its feet
16:26.11SerajewelKSalpharray_: i mean don't use fancy GUI tools that manage your system.  sometimes they are useful.  sometimes they do bad things.
16:26.16alpharray_I will come back once the major stuff is done
16:26.32alpharray_Yeah, I learned that the hard way
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16:26.43alpharray_THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE!!!
16:26.47SerajewelKSalpharray_: that's not to say you can't make a small typo in a root shell and hose your system, too.  the most important thing you should take away is not necessarily the stuff about GUI tools.  the thing you should focus on is the lack of backups.
16:27.00SerajewelKStoo late :<
16:27.00jhutchins_wkalpharray_: Also, when someone's helping you on irc, make sure you have some idea what the commands they suggest are supposed to do.  Look up the man page if you need to.
16:27.09Exchizz0rjhutchins_wk:  well acturally, I didn't install the box, the guy before my did that, so I don't know.  Do you know where I can check it ?
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16:27.23Exchizz0rJuaN-CruZ:  if I boot back into 3.2 then yes, everything works :>
16:27.34jhutchins_wkExchizz0r: Start with booting to 3.2 and verifying that they work.
16:27.39Exchizz0roh sorry JuaN-CruZ n
16:27.55Exchizz0rjhutchins_wk:  it works in 3.2 :>
16:27.58jhutchins_wkExchizz0r: No guarantee, but the first recovery step.
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16:28.32jhutchins_wkExchizz0r: Ok, next we do lspci -nn and look at the hardware.  Do we need firmware for it?  We can ask judd.
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16:28.50jhutchins_wkExchizz0r: You can also do dmesg | grep firmware
16:28.57SerajewelKSrunning dmesg after boot might also give you some clues about what the kernel thinks of your hardware
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16:30.13Exchizz0rjhutchins_wk:  dmesg | grep firmware does not return anything with kernel 3.2
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16:30.32Exchizz0rI try booting back into 4.9
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16:31.58jhutchins_wkI've seen a lot of driver questions after people install 4.9.  It's a pretty big jump.  I'm reluctant to try it because I use the Nvidia drivers and I don't know how much of the toolchain needs to be pulled from backports.
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16:33.06nkuttlerjhutchins_wk: i've had no problems with 4.9 + nvidia on stable
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16:34.23jhutchins_wknkuttler: How much of dkms/build essential did you have to update?
16:34.46nkuttlerjhutchins_wk: no idea really, the box is running stretch now
16:34.57nkuttlerbut i can't remember having to do anything special
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16:35.47nkuttlerheh
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16:38.32Exchizz0r_lspci -nn does show my two Ethernet  controllers :/
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16:39.03Exchizz0r_actually 3.2 and 4.9 shows the exact same - no diff :/
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16:40.36Exchizz0r_it did however give me the names of my ethernet controllers, https://unixblogger.com/2016/08/11/how-to-get-your-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-working-updated-guide/
16:40.43jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: So pretty definitively you don't have 4.9 drivers for them.
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16:40.58Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  thanks man, I will google some more, thanks again :)
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16:41.18jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: We can probably help, paste just the line for the controller from lspci -nn
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16:41.32Exchizz0r_03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 0c)
16:41.36Exchizz0r_thanks jhutchins_wk  :)
16:42.03jhutchins_wk,pciid 10ec:8168
16:42.04judd[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168
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16:42.34jhutchins_wk,v r8169
16:42.36juddNo package named 'r8169' was found in amd64.
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16:42.45jhutchins_wkBah
16:42.50jhutchins_wk!r8169
16:42.50dpkgr8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips.  See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>.  Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
16:43.25jhutchins_wkIt would be nice if it told us what package it was in.  Should be in the kernel I think.
16:43.49nkuttlerkernel, yeah
16:44.02Exchizz0r_so I need to modprobe it or ?
16:44.15jhutchins_wk,v firmware-realtek
16:44.16juddPackage: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2
16:44.39nkuttlerExchizz0r_: usually the kernel should do that automatically. do you have the firmware installed?
16:44.54jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: I would suggest installing that package from backports.
16:45.09Exchizz0r_nkuttler:  alright. I guess so because it's working with kernel 3.2 and not kernel 4.9 :/
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16:46.20Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  where do I find that package ? since my box is not online when I boot 4.9, I guess I have to download it and then boot into 4.9 ?
16:47.00jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: You should be able to install it in 3.2.
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16:47.28jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: You probably want to check the other card too, I think that one is wireless.
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16:47.47Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  hm, it should be wireless
16:48.07jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: Will getting just that one working solve your problem?
16:48.12Exchizz0r_it should not sorry *
16:48.32jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: Ah, gigabit ethernet.
16:48.41Exchizz0r_yes, just fixing that will solve my problem :>
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16:49.03jhutchins_wkFire away then.
16:49.34jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: You could have found this by careful reading of the output from dmesg (dmesg | less), it would have complained about the firmware.
16:50.12Exchizz0r_hm, I think I did that, but maybe not carefully enough. what kind of error would show up ?
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16:54.48Exchizz0r_ahhh now I'm getting somewhere jhutchins_wk  !! I tried to boot info 4.9 and run "modprobe r8169" and then they come up :D
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16:55.07jhutchins_wksomething like "unable to find firmware"
16:55.10Exchizz0r_sooo, now my question is, why the ?!?! doesn't that load by itself ?
16:55.19Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  seems logic, thanks :>
16:55.32jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: Are they configured in /etc/interfaces or Network Manager?
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16:57.45Exchizz0r_hmm, when I tri to get an ip address(dhclient -v ) it then complains "failed to load rtl_nic/rt18168g-2.fw(-2)", but it does receive an ip, and networking works :s ?
16:58.29Exchizz0r_well, I don't wanna waste more of your time jhutchins_wk :> thanks !
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17:06.01JyZyXELdoes Debians Qemu have Virgil 3D support compiled in?
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17:09.49teraflopsJyZyXEL: I don't think so
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17:10.16ChmEarlJyZyXEL, browse the rules file here: https://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-qemu/qemu.git
17:10.16Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  would it be a hack to put r8169 into /etc/modules ? it doesn't load during startup :/ If I load it in manually it works perfectly
17:10.20JyZyXELthere is a package called 'virglrenderer'
17:11.13jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: It shouldn't be necessary.  The networking target should start an LSB job to bring up the network, that should load the module.
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17:11.20JyZyXELChmEarl: couldn't find it
17:11.37Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  ja okay, odd it's not working then :/
17:12.06ExaetaHow do I properly set up gitolite read only access for everyone using the git protocol? I can't use http because I already have a web server
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17:12.11jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: I asked earlier where it was configured, if it's in /etc/network/interfaces with the auto tag it should come up at boot.
17:12.22alpharray_Hey
17:12.23jhutchins_wk!interfaces
17:12.23dpkgYour network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations.  Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively.  http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration .  See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
17:12.44alpharray_jhutchins_wk: how can I go into server mode when in the GUI login screen?
17:12.54alpharray_I was told before but I forgot
17:12.57Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  oh sorry, I didn't see that. yes it's configued in /etc/network/interfaces, like I said before, with 3.2 it works :)
17:13.01jhutchins_wkalpharray_: You mean the CLI console?
17:13.06alpharray_Yes
17:13.51jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: There might be something fishy in your module config then.  I'm not real current on how that's configured.  Lots of stuff in .d/
17:14.08jhutchins_wkalpharray_: Either launch a terminal or Ctrl-Alt-F1
17:14.16jhutchins_wk!modules
17:14.16dpkgfrom memory, module is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.  Ask me about <modprobe>.  To compile modules available in Debian module source packages, ask me about <dkms>, <module-assistant>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Modules
17:14.37jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: Again, careful reading of dmesg | less can help.
17:14.49jhutchins_wk!modprobe
17:14.50dpkgAdd module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo"; Define module options: "man modprobe.conf", "echo options foo bar=baz qux=quux >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf".  See also: "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist>.
17:15.20Exchizz0r_yes, alright I'll look into it :> thanks
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17:16.42alpharray_jhutchins_wk: great, how do I go back to GUI mode though
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17:17.45Reception|awayHi. I'd like to know how to automatically send an attachment to an email every week using normal Debian mail
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17:19.48petn-randallReception|away: At which part are you stuck?
17:20.07Reception|awaymost of it. I'm really inexperienced with the mail module.
17:20.17Reception|awayI don't know how to attach the file to the mail when it gets sent
17:20.35Reception|awayfor example file in directory test/attachement.php needs to be sent to an email every week automatically
17:20.38jellyReception|away: use mailx from heirloom-mailx, or mutt
17:20.59Reception|awayjelly: ok
17:21.26jellyassuming you need a command line tool.
17:21.31petn-randallReception|away: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17359/how-do-i-send-a-file-as-an-email-attachment-using-linux-command-line
17:21.43petn-randallReception|away: It assumes you already have a working MTA set up on your machine, though.
17:21.44jellyif you need a php implementation, no idea
17:21.48Reception|awayThanks. I do
17:22.59jellymsmtp-mta can be appropriate for a send-only MTA possibly with auth.  Or dma in case one also wants some light local delivery
17:23.29phoggReception|away: If you need to send an attachment in PHP your choices are poor. You need a library that actually understands email. There are some that kind of do it, but real multipart MIME is beyond any I've found.
17:24.04Reception|awayphogg: php was an example. I don't know what type of file I will be sending yet.
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17:24.10Reception|awayThank you everyone for your help
17:24.24phoggReception|away: you're sending a PHP file? Not generating an email via PHP?
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17:24.53JyZyXELteraflops: found the infos: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813658
17:24.55juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/813658 in qemu (open, confirmed): «Please enable virgl support»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-02-04; last modified: 2017-01-23.
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17:28.15jellyReception|away: one of my server-side report scripts ends with: mutt -e 'set autoedit' -e 'set abort_unmodified=no' -H "$mail" -i "$mail" -a "$attachment" < /dev/null
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17:28.47jelly($mail contains the whole pregenerated message including headers at that point)
17:31.13SerajewelKSis there a reasonably-updated list somewhere of USB wireless networking hardware that works well with debian for the purposes of running an access point?
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17:31.52SerajewelKSanything from your standard dongles to devices with full antennae
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17:36.15jhutchins_wkSerajewelKS: Not really.  The databases that are out there rely on users reporting success, most people quit once they get it working and never report it.
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17:36.45jhutchins_wkSerajewelKS: Your chances are pretty good these days, especially with well established brands.
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17:40.07Reception123I also need this email to be sent as "noreply" and noreply needs to be authenticated through the actual mail server (this is getting sent from another server)
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17:40.10Reception123Could anyone please help?
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17:40.56jellyReception123: if you use mutt, you can set up sending via smtp with auth there.
17:41.20jellyset smtp_url=smtp://user:pass@server/
17:41.20Reception123unfortunately my server has mailx only, and I can't currently get mutt
17:41.28Reception123does that work with mailx as well?
17:41.35jellydefinitely not
17:41.47Reception123then what could I do for mailx?
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17:42.01jellyReception123: depends on which mailx implementation it is
17:42.44jellyReception123: you'll probably need to install something that _can_ send using smtp auth
17:42.58Reception123would postfix count?
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17:43.36jellyprobably, postfix is a full-fledged MTA
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17:44.40jellydoesn't have a ready recipe for postfix sending outbound via smtp auth
17:45.03Reception123jelly: would you have a link to a guide / forum?
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17:46.03jellynone that I can recommend and vouch it's gonna work.  Ask in #postfix if you get no answers here
17:46.39Reception123jelly: Ok. Thanks
17:46.55jellyand then you'll have to explain why you're not going to use a null mailer MTA like msmtp because that's what #postfix people are going to ask first, or second
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17:48.22jellyReception123: however if you have a fresh enough heirloom-mailx, it will have smtp-auth support of its own.  man mailx
17:49.43Reception123I've tried -V as it says to see the version but apparently it's an invalid option
17:50.10jellyReception123: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mailx))
17:50.41Reception123bsd-mailx: /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
17:50.52SerajewelKSjhutchins_wk: i just know that whenever i buy wireless hardware, i always manage to get one with some unsupported edge case or other weird issue
17:51.00jellyso it's a different mailx implementation
17:51.32SerajewelKSjhutchins_wk: the last wireless router (i'm using it as an AP) that i purchased had really good reviews.  about once a month the wireless radio completely stops working, requiring a power cycle to correct.
17:51.38Reception123This is more complicated than I was imagining.
17:52.23SerajewelKSjhutchins_wk: it happens often enough that my wife knows where the power button is and corrects it herself when i'm not at home
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17:58.57nikitasiusyesterday installed 4.9 on my 4.5 and aptitude decided to remove `libuuid-perl`.. after installation installed manually `libuuid-perl`. Strange.
17:59.16nikitasiussame version from stable
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18:02.05ExaetaGreetings, I have a C++ project, how do I set up a build system so I can make a .deb file and a repository?
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18:04.58WulfExaeta: jenkins, debian/ and reprepro
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18:12.10ExaetaOk, how do I build a debian package, without running any special commands? I want to specify the exact files used and I don't want to involve the debian build system
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18:12.35Exaetalike, I want to create a directory with the files, then wrap them into a .deb or something like that
18:13.10Exaetadpkg-buildpoackage seems to do a lot more than I need
18:13.29somiajExaeta: why not use the build system, you should really build the package, not build it and then just copy the binaries into the package.
18:13.42somiajExaeta: read the debian new matainers guide, or #packaging on irc.oftc.net is useful too
18:13.58Exaetabecause it's a header only library and there is nothing to build
18:14.27somiajyou may have an XY problem going on? Why do you need just the header in a package and not the libary as well?
18:14.39Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  Just to follow up. I added r8169 to initramfs(using dracut), and then it got online. However tun (used for openvpn) wasn't loaded, so I added that to the initramfs aswell. It did the track and box is running again.. I do kinda feel like it was a bad solution...
18:14.59Exaetasomiaj: because it is a header only library. there is no .so file.
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18:16.13renn0xtk9got a brand new fresh machine and want to install kde neon on it (ubuntu based)  is it recommende to install it in UEFI or in bios mode ?
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18:16.22Exaetasomiaj: header only libraries are quite common in C++
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18:17.07jhutchins_wkExaeta: Interesting.  systemd does try to do some network things like check time, but I would expect that to be post-initramfs.
18:17.15jhutchins_wkExaeta: Oops.
18:17.17WulfExaeta: dpkg-deb -b. But that's the wrong approach.
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18:17.26jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: ^
18:17.39jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: It sounds like a good solution.
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18:18.10jhutchins_wkExchizz0r_: If the drivers and firmware had been present when you upgraded the kernel, it probably would have incorporated them into the new initramfs.
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18:18.44ExaetaWulf is there a better approach to make a .deb file that will copy include/myproject into /usr/include ?
18:18.59Exchizz0r_jhutchins_wk:  I would say it was present, but yeeh, I don't know :> anyways, I'm glad  you think it's a good solution : b thans for your time
18:19.14WulfExaeta: yes, setup a proper debian/ build system
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18:19.27Exchizz0r_Have a nice day jhutchins_wk  :>
18:19.31WulfExaeta: if you use cmake or autocrap tools, it shouldn't be too hard
18:21.36ExaetaWulf: no, it's just a directory with a README and include/ folder with sources. there is not a build system attached to it.
18:21.52WulfExaeta: what kind of nonsense c++ lib is that?
18:22.00WulfExaeta: why is there no actual code?
18:22.17ExaetaWulf: templates have to go in header files
18:22.25Exaetaand there is no code that can go in source files
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18:22.33Exaetaso there are no source files
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18:23.22WulfExaeta: how about a .pc file?
18:23.47Exaetawhat is that?
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18:23.54SerajewelKSi wonder if there are any decent alternatives to autotools, every time i try to learn them i give up
18:24.00Psy-Qthere is a massive performance degradation between debian 8 and 9 when using nvidia drivers for me :(  30% less performance and stuttering in games. i did loads of testing and benchmarking: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Eh0Al3fYFCMhrSR7N-tu0oC5acqkPBhCKdKi5ppFbXw/edit?usp=sharing
18:24.13WulfExaeta: pkgconfig
18:24.16Psy-Qhow could i get to the bottom of this issue?
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18:24.22WulfExaeta: very useful tool
18:24.45Exaetaok, so I put this in myproj/.pc or myproj/debian/.pc?
18:25.09WulfExaeta: no, this goes into a special directory
18:25.21Wulf/usr/share/pkgconfig/inputproto.pc
18:25.23Wulfetc...
18:25.43somiajExaeta: #packaging on irc.oftc.net would be good help, also if it is common can you find an example of a source package in debian that does a header only libary, then model off of that.
18:25.57BrigoPsy-Q, it looks like a driver problem, did you try asking nvidia?
18:26.09WulfExaeta: or maybe /usr/lib or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
18:26.21WulfExaeta: your build system should take care of the correct path
18:26.41WulfExaeta: or what happens when one day someone decides that /usr/include is the wrong place for includes?
18:26.46Psy-QBrigo: yes, no answer so far. but i do know that other people with the same PC specs (Z77 mobo and i5 3570K) have the same issue
18:26.48WulfExaeta: your package will break.
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18:27.16Psy-QBrigo: yet when i use a backported 4.9 kernel and the latest nvidia driver on debian 8, it's fast and smooth in most games (except Mad Max, but that has its own problems)
18:27.54BrigoPsy-Q, the 6th line?
18:27.57jhutchins_wk,kernels
18:27.59juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
18:28.18Psy-Qthe smoothest combo is ubuntu 16.10, 4.8 kernel, outdated nvidia 367.57 driver
18:28.36Psy-QBrigo: yes, that's the one. Tomb Raider at least gives almost the same benchmark numbers as on ubuntu with the old driver
18:28.47jhutchins_wkPsy-Q: Compare the 3.16 kernel with the 4.9 in jessie.
18:29.20ExaetaWulf: well, I still don't know what files to create where, I guess I want to use PREFIX for that? Oftc seems to be afk
18:29.28jhutchins_wkPsy-Q: Obviously if there's regression in the drivers from Nvida, you'd have to ask them about it.
18:29.31Psy-Qjhutchins_wk: OK, yes, that's still a blank spot in my benchamrks
18:29.31BrigoPsy-Q, what about the 5th line?
18:29.49Exaetawhere can I find an example package to look at?
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18:29.56Psy-QBrigo, jhutchins_wk: i'll work on filling in the 5th line in that case :)  haven't benched that yet
18:30.14Psy-Qi have it all on a separate disk with clean installs of all the distros so it's a bit of a pain to reboot into that, but i'll check this now
18:30.51jhutchins_wkI think we have some issues that have been raised with 4.9.
18:31.20jhutchins_wkI seem to remember a kernel a few months ago that was definitely a regression.
18:31.40jhutchins_wkLatest is not always greatest.
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18:33.02somiajExaeta: I'm unsure, but since you say this is common in c++, look for a common libary in the debian packages.
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18:35.36jhutchins_wkPsy-Q: BTW Excellent work testing and documenting.  You might want to post to #debian-next on oftc.net too.
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18:44.48pmartI've created a luks encrypted ext4 filesystem on my thumb drive which i intend to use with multiple systems. how do I deal with filesystem permissions? I can chown root directory of filesystem to my current user (and I presume UID is going to be stored in the filesystem structures). But then I might mount it on other system which has different users/uids.
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18:46.03pmartso file permissions seem sort of excessive in case of encrypted filesystems with data
18:47.02jhutchins_wkpmart: Would it make sense to use NTFS and mount it in a way that squashes permissions and owners?
18:47.35jhutchins_wkpmart: For all I know you can do that with mount.ext? too.
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18:48.38pmartjhutchins_wk, I'd rather avoid ntfs as it's not native to linux and i don't need win compatibility
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18:49.44pmartmount.ext?
18:52.03rattkingI think typically you would mount with the options '-o uid= gid=' filled out to be the uig and gid of the user you want to own the files
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18:54.30pmartrattking, this options are available for non-native filesystems. besides I would like to mount from gui (udisks) without any special setup.
18:56.00jhutchins_wkpmart: mount.ext[2|3|4]
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18:56.30jhutchins_wkpmart: What I mean is that ext could very well have mount options for forcing owner/permissions.
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18:57.06jhutchins_wkpmart: It's just more common to see those options discussed in conjunction with cifs or ntfs.
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18:57.48jhutchins_wkpmart: rattking seems to think that's possible too.
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19:01.19pmartjhutchins_wk, no these options are only available with foreign (often lacking own permission system) filesystems
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19:08.57sleepsteris there a way to see the version numbers on upgrade?
19:09.01sleepsterI checked man apt-get
19:09.05sleepsterbut doesn't list any way to do this
19:09.13sleepsterI just want to see the old version -> new version
19:09.24somiajsleepster: apt-cache policy packagename
19:09.26greycatYou mean *before* it actually unpacks them, or what?
19:09.52somiajsleepster: I don't know of a way for apt to list all these version changes in the upgrade, but atp-listchanges should list some of the major changes
19:10.19zykotick9sleepster: you might also be interested in "apt-cache madison foo" output
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19:11.29sleepsterthanks somiaj zykotick9
19:11.47sleepstergreycat: yeah :) so when I do: apt-get upgrade, I get a list of all the packages that need to be updated
19:11.59sleepsterI would like to see it in the format of old version -> new version
19:12.17greycatOh, just the NAMES?  That's easy.  -u.  You always always use -u.
19:12.41zykotick9sleepster: "apt list --upgradable" might be of interest?
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19:13.21sleepsterzykotick9: ah yes
19:13.26sleepsterzykotick9: perfect.. thanks
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19:16.03greycatconfirms that "apt list -u" seems like a good answer, at least on stretch (didn't test on jessie)
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19:16.52jhutchins_wkgreycat: Nope.
19:17.31jhutchins_wku is not known.
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19:18.29greycatWell, it's known in stretch :)
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19:22.02pmartsleepster, apt upgrade -V
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19:30.32Exagone313Hi, I was updating debian (testing) in screen (though ssh) and the terminal inside screen is bugged, can't use up/down/tab/^C or any key normally. In fact I went in shell to "examine the situation" on update to new sshd config, and it fucked up when I ^Z in vim in that shell. So what to do now? the shell out of screen (ctrl+a d) has no problem. I killed the bash process but I still have the issue on the menu and I can't select the option to keep the version
19:30.32Exagone313installed. Thanks for your help.
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19:31.27greycat"fg" to bring the suspended vim back to foreground
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19:32.22greycatCtrl-J s t t y SPACE s a n e Ctrl-J    to attempt to restore terminal sanity next time that happens.
19:32.58greycatIf you killed the bash that you were supposed to type "fg" in, then you can't bring vim back.
19:33.46greycatIf that is the case, your best bet is to kill it with -TERM, then un-suspend it by killing it again with -CONT, and hope it can die cleanly.
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19:36.10Exagone313greycat: I don't want to bring vim back
19:36.15Exagone313I quitted vim anyway
19:36.26Exagone313fg worked, did :wq, but couldn't do ^D
19:36.32georgiaHey everybloody. You guys know anything about configuring synapse application launcher? I want to point it to my dictionary server since it can't find it.
19:36.35Exagone313so I killed that bash
19:36.51jhutchins_wkExagone313: What about exit?  Logout?
19:36.54georgiawow, greycat deserves an award.
19:37.00Exagone313Wait, I send you a screen
19:37.07georgiafor volunteering so much time
19:37.08Exagone313where can I?
19:37.44jhutchins_wkgeorgia: This isn't all he does for the community by any means, he's a serious contributor.
19:37.50BrigoExagone313, for an image you can use http://picpaste.com/
19:38.18georgiaI didn't mean to imply he wasn't. they aren't mutually exclusive.
19:38.23jhutchins_wkExagone313: Control key sequences are one of the most common things to get messed up.
19:38.46jhutchins_wkgeorgia: Yeah, just agreeing with you.
19:39.11georgiakay. :P
19:39.27Exagone313https://ewd.xyz/17-03-15-20-31-33-473148830.png
19:40.18georgiaSo I went to synapse's config file and it just reads the preferences I made with the graphical preferences. Ie, which plugins are enabled.
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19:41.57n-iCeis it possible to avoid debian at boot show a open terminal?
19:42.02n-iCesometimes even a chrome tab
19:42.04Exagone313greycat: ctrl+j stty sane ctrl+j didnt work
19:42.54greycat"reset" sometimes works, or if it's a VT100 family terminal emulator, echo Ctrl-V ESC c is a hard reset.  Otherwise, just destroy the terminal and start over.
19:43.22Exagone313what if I kill that process: /bin/bash /usr/bin/ucf --three-way --debconf-ok --sum-file /usr/share/openssh/sshd_config.md5sum /tmp/filefoETEI /etc/ssh/sshd_config
19:43.23georgiayou should have a rescue mode in your grub options
19:43.54Exagone313if apt stops with an error that would be great
19:45.01georgiaby default the rescue shell is ash. is that what you mean by avoiding debian?
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19:46.30georgiawithout debian all you have is a kernel. If you want a terminal you need glibc and a shell
19:46.38somiajgeorgia: are you sure it isn't dash?
19:46.50georgiaI think you're right
19:46.57georgiaI'm thinking of the grub rescue shell
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19:47.13somiajgeorgia: busybox I think is what that is, or maybe that is the systemd shell, forget that.
19:47.18greycatif you're in an initramfs environment, the shell is probably busybox sh
19:47.31somiajin terms of a rescue system, I prefer a live system or even the debian installer as a rescue medium over the rescue mode in grub.
19:47.41georgiayeah, it's busybox. I've dabbled in that area of needing rescueing
19:47.45georgiaGrml is great
19:47.52georgiait's based on debian.
19:48.15Exagone313greycat: I killed the other shell with ucf opened, and also another one, and screen still shows the same thing lol, and apt-get (dist-upgrade) process is still there, not sure what to do, do I kill apt-get?
19:48.21n4dirgrml was last released? 4 years ago?
19:48.28jellygeorgia: shame one has to use daily sid/testing snapshots
19:48.40jellyn4dir: 3
19:48.54n4dirah, i guess that's still ok (and sure enough i liked it)
19:48.56Exagone313or dpkg
19:49.07georgiawell if he wanted bleeding edge he wouldn't use debian :P
19:49.08jellylooks they may have something out this year
19:49.13Exagone313oh, I found a perl script running, should be it
19:49.26n4dirgeorgia: it is based on sid, so ...
19:49.33jellygeorgia: but 2014.11 is missing features from _jessie_
19:49.35georgiaoh? I didn't know that.
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19:49.46jelly/topic #grml
19:50.14georgia!grml
19:50.15dpkggrml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian.  It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators.  It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment.  http://grml.org/  #grml on irc.freenode.net.
19:50.25Exagone313ok, nice, it worked as expected, I can recover from it now
19:50.26georgiawoah, it worked! neat!
19:50.30jelly(and 2014.11 was unbootable on hp servers, so it was 2014.03 or dailies)
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19:56.08georgiashould i be concerned that both icedove and firefox have locks with broken symlinks?
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19:59.55jhutchins_wkIt seems like rescue modes, single user, and failed boot are pretty inconsistent they may be RO, they may be in initramfs instead of the real filesystem.  I like the init=/bin/bash solution.
20:00.33jhutchins_wkgeorgia: I would worry about fixing those from within the repaired system.
20:00.58georgiawhat repaired system? this is my main system
20:01.04darkstalkerhi, got a problem. got debian jessie installed on a ramnode vps, and can't use systectl anymore. it always fails with 'failed to get dbus connection: no such file or directory'
20:01.58darkstalkercan't properly install dbus because it fails on the configure phase (invokes systemctl)
20:02.30darkstalkertried launching it manually but not recognized by systemctl.. how i fix this?
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20:18.33jhutchins_wkdarkstalker: You probably don't have full hardware emulation.  Any idea what hypervisor they're running?
20:18.43darkstalkeropenvz
20:18.59darkstalkerit used to work fine, just today discovered this
20:19.19jhutchins_wkdarkstalker: Dunno then, contact the provider.
20:19.40darkstalkerhow is this related to having hw emulation?
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20:20.28jhutchins_wkdarkstalker: Utilities that interact with hardware (dbus, systemctl) often behave strangely if the emulation is not quite right.
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20:22.00jhutchins_wkdarkstalker: On vmware the software usually can't tell it's on a VM, some of the other hypervisors "leak" or don't even try for full emulation.
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20:24.47endre_hi
20:25.15endre_anybody who could help me with ARP?
20:25.35endre_i have to print out ARP table and identify my mobile and this IP address
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20:31.07TomTomToschyou run the arp command to print the arp table. ^^
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20:31.44greycatI don't know how that interacts with non-ethernet networks, like wifi.
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21:01.36alpharray_SerajewelKS, I am back on my feet once again
21:02.02alpharray_Now I just need to work on getting my data back, but that is a whole different story
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21:02.24alpharray_Thanks!
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21:30.45kirillowim trying to install debian on a prime x370 pro with ryzen 7 and a rx460 GPU. the USB iso boots and it asks me to chose between graphical install or install. No matter what I click the screen immediately turns black and there arent any error messages being displayed (nothing is displayed)
21:31.35kirillowAny ideas?
21:31.42ghogday86have the 64bit version?
21:31.50kirillowyes
21:32.26ghogday86amd64?
21:32.30kirillowyes
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21:33.39mandeepkirillow: which debian/
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21:34.03kirillowwell i started with stretch. Now I'm trying sid...
21:37.03ghogday86same response?
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21:38.00kirillowyes
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21:38.03kirillowback screen
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21:38.37ghogday86stable?
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21:39.09kirillowdidnt try stable because the kernel is not supported?
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21:45.17bezabanhow does runit fit in to things? why do I have that in addition to systemd? I assume it has been pulled in as a dependency (presumably from git), but why?
21:45.53ghogday86right 4.x
21:45.55bezabanI know it's not a separate init system, but why wouldn't it be done in systemd scripts
21:46.22bezabanif it's transitional that's fine, just seems a bit odd :)
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21:49.15ghogday86kirillow: is your hdd led indicator showing activity?
21:49.48kirillowghogday86: you mean while the screen's black?
21:50.26ghogday86yes
21:51.11kirillownope no activity
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21:56.31ghogday86kirillow: curious...have you tried a live usb vs install? same result?
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21:58.20kirillowghogday86: I'm now in the process of trying a ubuntu live usb ;___;
21:58.25ghogday86kirillow: check 'fast boot' options. the uefi might NOT be loading something properly
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22:22.21ghogday86kirrillow: any luck?
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22:23.50kirillowno, im now struggling with my usb stick. i cant dd any iso on there anymore as it tells me no space left on device
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22:28.15bin_bashkirillow: what dd command are you running?
22:28.59kirillowjust dd bs=4M if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb
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22:29.57bin_bashand you're sure /dev/sdb is correct?
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22:31.04kirillowhow can it not be, i put multiple debian isos on there and the installation start screen showed up every time
22:31.41bin_bashdid you check??
22:32.26bin_bashi've had usbs be under /dev/sdc before
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22:34.18SuperTramp83lsblk
22:34.27SuperTramp83kirillow ^
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22:34.40SuperTramp83format the stick and then dd again
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22:34.47kirillowyea its sdb
22:34.54SuperTramp83use gparted to format it
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22:35.16bin_bashyou shouldn't need to format it though
22:35.43bin_bashkirillow: how big is the USB and what format is it currently
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22:36.45kirillow8GB and it should be fat32 now
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22:38.59kirillowomg this is driving me nuts. i cant format it m(
22:39.01abffkirillow: I had this issue where my usb kept being recognized as 54 GB when it was 16
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22:39.16bin_bashwhat error do you get when trying to format it?
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22:40.06abffevery time I had to reset it I would dd if=/dev/urandom =/dev/yourdisk
22:40.35abffthen just ^c out of the process and it would read correctly
22:41.00bin_bashthats weird lol
22:41.27abffI think I fucked up the partition table
22:42.04kirillow`Disk /dev/sdb: 10 MiB` wut
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22:43.05abfftry my suggestion, start writting /dev/urandom to it, it doesn't have to write to the whole disk I think you just need to let it run long enough to demolish the part table
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22:44.20kirillowkirillow@debian:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb
22:44.22kirillowdd: writing to ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device
22:44.24kirillow20481+0 records in
22:44.26kirillow20480+0 records out
22:44.28kirillow10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 3.00757 s, 3.5 MB/s
22:44.30kirillowwtf
22:45.00abffwhat does fdisk -l say about it now?
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22:45.50kirillownothing at all
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22:50.30kirillowoh i got `Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary.` and now sdb is still there even if i remove the sstick
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22:55.52p0stm45t3rwell hello
22:56.34n-iCeshould not be gateway the route ip? 192.168.1.254 can't access
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22:57.38abffIt's different for most routers
22:58.25n-iCeabff: that's why I ask if gateway output should be
22:58.28n-iCeroute -n is giving that
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23:01.27abffI know that my broadcast ip is different then the gateway ip
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23:01.34abffbut I don't know what you're asking, sorry man
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23:04.07CutMeOwnThroatyou should rephrase that question… what does route -n give you, what did you do, what did you expect  and what happened instead
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23:09.09th3_p05tm45t3rguys who's the best for cheap vps for Debian
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23:16.48echosystmhi guys
23:17.01echosystmapparmor vs. grsecurity
23:17.23echosystmit seems to me that apparmor and selinux aren't really worth it?
23:17.45echosystmand the kernel is the biggest exploit path if you have proper file permissions set up already
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23:18.07echosystmso... why dont more people use grsecurity?
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23:19.44somiajReally depends on the use case, in many cases the default kernel and security messures are fine.
23:20.34allizomechosystm: also I have read this https://bugs.debian.org/810506
23:20.36juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/810506 in src:linux-grsec (open): «linux-grsec not suitable for stable»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-01-09; last modified: 2016-12-28.
23:21.20kirillowubuntu at least complains: `no southbridge IOAPIC found`
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23:23.12echosystminteresting
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23:24.15TomTomTo1you should probably look for something with a 4.10 kernel if you are on ryzen. stretch is frozen, so it's going to be a while untill a new kernel lands in testing.
23:25.01echosystmi read that ubuntu server has some hardening in the kernel
23:25.10echosystmdoes debian have something equivalent?
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23:26.01kirillowwhat distribution comes with a 4.10 kernel?
23:26.56somiajechosystm: debian keeps the kernel secure and patches issues as they arise. By default the debian kernel is secure against known exploits. Though this isn't the only issue. Security is complicated, but just adding a security layer in the kernel may not keep your system secure. Use case is very important.
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23:29.39somiajechosystm: note debian usually only installs a minimial system and then you install the services you use afterwards. In general  you shouldn't have lots of running services you don't want on your system. And if you install a service (say webserver, mailserver, ssh server, etc) you take the extra steps to understand security issues with those. In many cases you don't need a special apparmor or whatever softw
23:29.45somiajare to do this. Though additional securtiy layers won't hurt.
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23:31.30somiajfor example one way to help secure an ssh server is install fail2ban or denyhost, this will help deal with bots trying to brute force passwords.
23:33.38abffwhat do you guys think of port knocking, I know it's easy to overcome but it is another redundancy
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23:35.45somiajabff: might depend on usecase, I thought vpn's are the far more popular way to deal with hiding ports from the outside world, but giving acces to those who have the key.
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23:39.13solrizehi, does debian 8 netinst somehow prevent root login by ssh password over the net?   i didn't see that in the sshd_conf but it wouldn't let me log in
23:39.33somiajsolrize: by default debian disables root login via password, you need a key
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23:39.56solrizethere's a bit of chicken and egg problem then, since the install script prompts for a password
23:40.00somiajthis has nothing to do with the install method. You can modify /etc/ssh/sshd_conf if you want to change this behavior (though it is a good retriction)
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23:40.12somiajsolrize: oh you are talking about installing over ssh?
23:40.26solrizei installed over a vnc but didn't have a good way to import an ssh key
23:40.32solrizeso i wanted to ssh in once the install was up
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23:40.49somiajsolrize: did you creat a user during the install?
23:41.08solrizei looked in the sshd_conf but it didn't seem to have password login disabled.  yes i did create a user
23:41.15solrizehmm maybe su would have worked?
23:41.19somiajssh as that user then su - root
23:41.40somiajif you don't assign root a password, the installer will install sudo and give your main user full sudo privlages
23:41.44solrizeyeah ok i should have done that.  next time.  instead i did a hacky thing of using wget on the vnc to pull in a public key from a remote site
23:41.53somiajyea only root password is disabled by default, normal user passwords are just fine.
23:41.54solrizeoh that's interesting, didn't know that either
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23:42.22solrizei don't think the install script installed sudo.  i do that from ansible after the system is running
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23:42.27somiajyea if you make root passwords blank, it will disable the abilty for root to login but give the main user full sudo privlages
23:42.46somiajit only installs sudo if you use a blank root password afiak
23:42.56solrizeanyway thanks now i know what to do next time.  i don't remember encountering this issue before and i've done a few other debian installs recently, just not from netinst
23:43.41somiajPermitRootLogin no -- that is the line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config that prevents root login via a password.
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23:43.58somiajanyways hopefully you have a solution that will work for your use case
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23:49.02SuperTramp83If I remember correctly, the default Debian installation comes with just exim and openssh services. The golden rules dictates however: purge or disable each and every service you don't need. The manual "Securing Debian" is a good read.
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