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00:00.36 | zykotick9 | freeroute: i'm not sure what you want... but i just want to point out you can install onto a usb drive (like it was a hard drive) if you want... just be sure grub is installed to the correct location (note, it _should_ by default) |
00:02.05 | freeroute | abff: this boots into a live environment and loads settings from the persistence partition? If so then I'm not sure this is what I'm looking for. Let's say you boot into a live usb stick that you created by just dd'ing the iso image onto a usb stick and booting from there. Once in the live environment, you insert another usb stick. In the live environment you specify to install the OS onto this newly inserted |
00:02.07 | freeroute | USB stick. |
00:02.32 | freeroute | I'm looking for installing the entire OS on that USB stick, but without booting into a live environment first. |
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00:04.10 | Digz | freeroute, I guess it is technically possible..... make a debian netboot usbstick on stick #1, boot from it, and then install on stick #2. |
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00:04.43 | Digz | voila, stick #2 should now be bootable and usable. |
00:05.04 | freeroute | ah ok, but there is no way to do this without booting into netboot or live environment? |
00:05.38 | abff | well you need something to install from, cd or usb or netboot |
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00:05.51 | zykotick9 | freeroute: <sidenote> personally i find running an OS from USB2 to be incredibly slow... ymmv. |
00:05.55 | Digz | freeroute, if you make an installer boot usb, it can also be the full ISO DVD version with everything on it if you want.... the installer doesn't boot into live environment. |
00:06.28 | zykotick9 | freeroute: there is an alternative called debootstrap where you can install debian from another working linux install... but using install media USB/CD is a lot easier. |
00:06.29 | Digz | freeroute, you just have to run the installer once, just like you would install to any hard drive.... |
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00:09.04 | Digz | freeroute, and to add to zykotick9 remarks: I would use a USB 3.0 compatible stick for the OS install. At least then you get some form of speed when booting on a computer with USB 3.0 (you will still be backwards compatible with USB 2.0) |
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00:10.26 | freeroute | ah, debootstrap is what I was initially looking for but now I see that it's pretty involved. I think it would be indeed faster to just boot from installation medium. However: I don't have network connectivity on the machine which will boot from the final USB stick and I don't want GUI. Is there something like netboot but more complete and without GUI? |
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00:12.00 | zykotick9 | freeroute: two notes 1) you can install a working install without network with netinst (it's VERY minimal) and 2) if you install without neetworking, your /etc/apt/source.list will be "broken" after install, and you'll need to manually add the correct repos. |
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00:13.00 | zykotick9 | s/a working install/a working system/ |
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00:24.47 | AciD` | zykotick9 -> well, I have the exact same problem with the netinstall ; it keeps searching for a CD while it's an USB |
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00:25.45 | AciD` | the *only* way to pass this blocking bug is to install *from* a live session where the 'CD search' point to the usb |
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00:26.21 | AciD` | unfortunately, that old laptop cannot complete the installation while the live session, I think due to the very small RAM available (I let it run for more than an hour) |
00:26.53 | AciD` | so, is there anybody here that manage to install the netinst with a USB key (and not get stuck at the 'Detect and mount the CD' step? |
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00:29.02 | zykotick9 | AciD`: you issue usually shows up when people use unetbootin or rufus (which are both terrible). i use usb to install debian netinst all the time... |
00:29.11 | AciD` | the 'Automated install' also fails miserably at that 'cd' step :/ |
00:29.40 | AciD` | well, from my Debian testing, I just downloaded a fresh iso and ran `dd if=/home/acid/dl/iso/debian-8.7.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdf; sync` |
00:30.01 | AciD` | this is annoying :/ |
00:30.37 | AciD` | I think I'm seeing this CD problem for a decade now |
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00:31.25 | AciD` | it's weird that it subsist across so many Debian version, and that nobody fixed that critical bug. That or all the computers I used are cursed ;) |
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00:34.22 | AciD` | the expert mode allows me to choose the steps to run, but I still need to load the components somehow, and the CD (which this netbook does not have) is not to be found there too :| |
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00:40.27 | AciD` | is there a way to check the generated USB key? |
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00:41.21 | AciD` | since I cannot find any help on the usual search engine, it's really weird that only I get this critical bug, I figured perhaps the dd command did not workedfor the last 10 years? :/ |
00:41.25 | AciD` | (for me) |
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00:42.01 | zykotick9 | AciD`: you could try cp as an alternative... |
00:42.15 | zykotick9 | doens't think it would likely change anything... |
00:42.49 | AciD` | do you guys even see that CD step while using the netinst? |
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00:43.45 | AciD` | as I said, the _only_ way for me to be able to install debian, is to first startup the live session, *then* from there launch the install. It's the only way I found to bypass the buggy 'Detect and mount CD-ROM' step |
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00:56.04 | Spr1ng | I'm trying to upgrade qemu-utils from 2.2.1 to 2.7.1 on a Debian 7 system but I'm getting the following issue with apt-get, can anybody help me determine what the cause of the issue is so that I can troubleshoot? https://privatebin.net/?97f987a2d41b7f4a#3ytzeTGMrdY3trm+0fmuiPDbAPkn6OzkARe1OCZWiS4= |
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00:56.43 | Spr1ng | essentially getting "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/qemu-utils_1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u20_amd64.deb (--unpack):" |
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00:59.07 | AciD` | oh my, I managed 'unblock' the situation by using the shell menu, then typing `mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/sdb1 /cdrom && ln -s /cdrom /dev/cdrom` |
00:59.15 | AciD` | then the installation can continue! |
00:59.33 | AciD` | this is really, really bad |
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00:59.55 | AciD` | how come this is not automated? Is there really no casual user that install Debian? |
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01:15.52 | zykotick9 | AciD`: thanks for update. i've made a note. i don't think you experience is "typical"... but i certainly can't explain why. |
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01:31.45 | ghogday86 | is xfce 4.12 not considered stable enough to be included in the debian repos or is there another reason? |
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01:40.10 | abff | I have it, but I run sid -> $ xfce4/unstable,now 4.12.3 all [installed,automatic] |
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01:43.25 | ghogday86 | i see. I looked and I didnt see that it was considered unstable...i obviously didnt look good enouhg |
01:43.57 | ryouma | i installed libreoffice, but the menu fonts are so small that they are impossible for me to read. i cannot get closer to the screen. what can i do to make sure applications don't do this? i already have dpi set to 240. is there some library change i must do to make libreoffice behave? |
01:43.59 | ghogday86 | I know how to install it. Was curious of the reasoning of it not being available |
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01:45.28 | ghogday86 | ryouma |
01:45.35 | ghogday86 | settings>appearance>font |
01:46.15 | ghogday86 | thats xfce settings not libreoffice settings |
01:48.03 | ryouma | hmm, i use fluxbox |
01:48.49 | ghogday86 | sorry, was on the wrong tab |
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01:49.52 | ghogday86 | that would be a question for the fluxbox channel |
01:50.07 | ghogday86 | #fluxbox |
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01:51.17 | abff | ghogday86: I have no idea what the criteria are for a particular package to move from sid to stable, I assume it's a grueling testing process done by the team who maintains jessie |
01:51.49 | abff | Which is why I run sid, so I can raise flags when I run into problems :D |
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01:53.03 | n4dir | packages don't get from sid to stable at all. |
01:55.49 | ghogday86 | its been 2 years now since the release of 4.12... |
01:56.09 | ghogday86 | must be something other then time needed for testing |
01:57.11 | n4dir | the reason is the way debian releases. |
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01:59.30 | ryouma | ok i just asked on #fluxbox, but my sense is that fluxbox has nothign to do with it :) |
01:59.32 | ghogday86 | debian 8 was released 2 months after xfce 4.12 - so youre saying that at release of jessie xfce 4.12 was not the decided upon release 4.10 was? meaning 4.12 will NOT be in the debian repos, ever? xfce wont be included in the debian repos until the next major debian release? |
01:59.39 | ryouma | n(not that i know what i am talking about here) |
02:00.11 | n4dir | ghogday86: yes, that is the way it is. Once stable is released no new software get's in |
02:01.29 | ghogday86 | @ ryouma: fluxbox is your window manager so yeah you might be right |
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02:02.38 | ryouma | where should i ask this q? |
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02:03.02 | ghogday86 | @ ryouma: are you opposed to installing additional software? or are you looking for a terminal solution? |
02:03.09 | abff | what about #libreoffice ? |
02:04.08 | ryouma | ghogday86: i guess i'm looking for any solution that works. i am more comfortable with scriptable solutions and prefer solutions that are in the debian repo. |
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02:09.38 | ryouma | ghogday86: for clarification, i am referring to the menu in the libreoffice application. (file edit view whatever.) and other stuff the application does. they are unreadably small. |
02:09.53 | ghogday86 | yeah i know |
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02:10.34 | ghogday86 | that font size is controlled by your DE or your window manager...in your case your window manager - fluxbox |
02:11.58 | ghogday86 | yes that link i sent you deals with the windows title font but thats where libreoffice and other gui applications pull that information from..the DE or WM |
02:12.59 | ghogday86 | so if you change the menu font size it will change the title font as well |
02:13.17 | ryouma | but my menu font size in fluxbox is perfect. i do not want to change it. |
02:13.28 | ghogday86 | arent they the same size? |
02:14.03 | ryouma | the libreoffice fonts are extremely tiny. perhaps they do not respect dpi? |
02:14.19 | ryouma | if they were the same size i would not be here asking what to do :) |
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02:15.53 | ghogday86 | id like to help ya but i think weve polluted the debian chanel with non debian related chat for too long now |
02:16.18 | ryouma | ok, i thought this was related enough. i appreciate your attempts to help. |
02:16.38 | ryouma | what channel would be appropriate? no response yet on ##fluxbox. |
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02:17.06 | ryouma | in general, does debian have a ... policy or something for font sizes? |
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02:27.09 | ghogday86 | in general debian does not have a gui interface |
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02:28.17 | ghogday86 | if you install debian standard it is cli |
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02:36.06 | ryouma | that wasn't what i meant |
02:36.23 | ghogday86 | what did you mean? |
02:36.25 | ryouma | i just mean, what controls font sizes, and does debian try to control them? |
02:36.48 | ghogday86 | no, in general the WM does |
02:36.57 | ghogday86 | did you see my PM? |
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02:39.20 | KNERD | Anyone got any experience with this Gparted running on a somwhwat Live Disro? http://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=gparted-live-manual#gparted-live-using-gparted-application |
02:39.52 | KNERD | The GUI application will not launch |
02:40.14 | KNERD | according to the section Accessing Desktop Menu |
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02:44.13 | somiaj | What live distro are you using? |
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02:46.14 | KNERD | It's clearly Debian as it has the Debian logos |
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02:46.47 | KNERD | but they put gparted on it |
02:47.08 | KNERD | they call it Gparted Live |
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02:47.24 | Hello71 | !deriv |
02:47.28 | Hello71 | grumbles |
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02:48.07 | KNERD | Does Debian Live actual have G[arted on it? |
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02:52.30 | peterrooney | Hello71: you mean `!based on debian' ? |
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02:53.09 | somiaj | KNERD: there are multiple debian live images, which one did you get? I think the desktop ones do have gparted on it, if not you can install it with apt-get install gparted |
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02:54.01 | KNERD | somiaj: I got the One the Gparted folks have with their gparted on it. But it refuses to run per their instructions |
02:54.08 | KNERD | iw ill give it a try then, thanks |
02:55.39 | somiaj | we won't be able to support gparted live image, but try a debian live image. They have one for the different desktop enviorments, and if gparted is not installed, you can install it |
02:56.06 | KNERD | thanks |
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03:00.10 | artificial | So I copied my /home/$USER folder to /tmp and then partitioned and mounted a new larger harddrive to /home and lastly copied the $USER dir back to the newly mounted /home. Now gdm doesnt log in to gnome (it keeps going to lockscreen after typing in password). |
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03:01.24 | KNERD | i would of just cloned the drive to a larger one |
03:01.52 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I had to install pulseaudio to get sound the latest Firefox ESR but now I can't get any audio from my laptop's speakers. I only get it using the headphone jack. Any idea what I can check? |
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03:03.15 | artificial | KNERD: well its too late now. Now what? |
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03:07.03 | KNERD | artificial: why too late? you easred the old drive? |
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03:09.13 | LiuYan | artificial: how did you "copied" your $HOME folder ? |
03:10.16 | artificial | KNERD: ...possibly |
03:10.18 | ryouma | artificial: perhaps you want a symlink? |
03:10.25 | ryouma | artificial: or to change /etc/passwd? |
03:10.25 | artificial | LiuYan: cp -r |
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03:10.36 | LiuYan | artificial: `/bin/cp -rp` or `rsync -av` should keep file permissions |
03:10.39 | ryouma | oh nm |
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03:13.07 | LiuYan | artificial: maybe check /home and /home/$USER permission ? |
03:13.44 | mehul | I need to create a debian-live system on a USB stick. All I have access to is an OSX system. Will I be able to create it on that ? |
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03:17.52 | artificial | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K Mar 4 13:09 home; drwxr-xr-x 31 artificial artificial 4.0K Mar 14 16:07 artificial; |
03:18.51 | artificial | wait |
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03:19.38 | artificial | It says my $USER dir is owned by root |
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03:21.41 | artificial | `chown -R artificial:artificial /home/artificial` solved it. |
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03:24.29 | mns | Is it possible to have multiple boot images on a single USB ? I need to have one for i386 and another for amd64. |
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03:28.13 | zykotick9 | mns: there is a netinst 32 & 64 bit linked from debian.org in the top right corner |
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03:30.03 | mns | zykotick9: what I want to do is have a bootable USB stick. This way I dont have to carry around cds or dvds. was wondering if I needed to carry 2 USB sticks or can get it done on one. |
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03:32.04 | zykotick9 | mns: just one is requied (if you use that one i mentioned), and yes you can put it onto a usb. |
03:33.06 | NemesisD | hey folks. just installed debian stable. ive noticed that many web fonts seem to have corrupted glyphs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6clO2aUoAAyAyN.jpg that's what https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Roboto+Mono looks like to me. Same in chrome and firefox |
03:33.26 | NemesisD | anyone have any ideas how i can troubleshoot this? |
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03:34.54 | NemesisD | its not all web fonts too. roboto looks fine |
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03:35.50 | mns | zykotick9: thanks. so I take it I can't use the USB stick such that it will use the 32-bit image to boot up or the 64-bit image, depending on the architecture I'm on. That clarifies things. Thanks. |
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03:39.56 | NemesisD | nevermind, fixed fonts! |
03:41.00 | zykotick9 | mns: upon boot there is a menu for selecting either 32 or 64 bit. |
03:45.39 | KNERD | i just download debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso put it to USB using Live USB Creator, booted it, GRUB loads and that is it. Said "no kernerel loaded" |
03:45.48 | KNERD | what is going on with that? |
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03:49.02 | curiousx | Hi! there, sry for the off topic but what do you think about my global CSS that i'm cooking ? http://i.imgur.com/eaIUbNV.png |
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03:51.39 | KNERD | WAY OF TOPIC IS WHAT I THINK |
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03:58.50 | eeeyy2u | How? However they please and with relative ease: Biological warfare (who's going to save the black masses, all those "brilliant" witch doctors and voodoo practitioners?), starvation (cannibalism will only get them so far), simply cutting them off from the White man's "tit" would take care of most of them (no more endless "gibs-me-dats" to get), then roll over the rest militarily (Shaka Zulu will not save them and spears cannot take down drones, jets, or |
03:58.55 | eeeyy2u | missiles). |
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03:59.16 | curiousx | <PROTECTED> |
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03:59.27 | eeeyy2u | Jews will make quick work of them once they have worn out their usefulness (the brown and yellow masses will be just about as easy to deal with), then their plans will be completed and they will have this world to themselves. |
03:59.52 | eeeyy2u | Once Whites have been completely disenfranchised, displaced, and utterly destroyed, they will circle back around to claim everything from their black and brown WMD's. |
03:59.54 | stoned | ... |
04:00.25 | stoned | curses: #css |
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04:04.38 | somiaj | KNERD: don't use a fancy live usb creator, from a command line you can just copy the iso directly to the usb device with cp, cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the usb device |
04:04.46 | somiaj | KNERD: from windows use win32diskimager |
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04:07.29 | KNERD | somiaj: oh..okay..thanks |
04:08.01 | KNERD | somiaj: i tried tuxboot, tbut that failed |
04:08.28 | somiaj | !win32diskimager |
04:08.28 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
04:09.17 | KNERD | somiaj: yes I have it here, but I thought it was for only .IMG files..t ahnks |
04:11.03 | stoned | it also works for solaris .usb images |
04:11.17 | stoned | just any usb image you want to put on a usb thingy |
04:11.24 | stoned | (including hybrid iso) |
04:11.30 | stoned | as most linux iso are |
04:11.35 | stoned | including debian installer iso. |
04:11.48 | stoned | Otherwise, regular iso files can't be put into usb b/c they are iso9660 fs |
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04:12.46 | stoned | There is also dd for windows, porte by gnu32 iirc |
04:13.09 | stoned | But you have to specify devices like \\PhysicalDevice\somethin like a windows UNC path thingy |
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04:13.45 | stoned | There is also grub2 for windows, with which you can directly boot iso files |
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04:14.09 | stoned | and once upon a time there to be goodbye-microsoft (worked with legacy grub) |
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04:14.26 | stoned | there used to be* |
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04:24.08 | KNERD | somiaj: that worked out fine..thanks |
04:24.19 | LiuYan | mns: I created a multi-boot live usb, which can boot debian live cd/dvd, 32bit and 64bit. the annoying thing for me is find the boot parameter to change file location. |
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04:44.40 | zh1 | https://paste.debian.net/919969/ :( |
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05:36.08 | mns | My system always want to boot use PXE, even though I have network boot setup as the last option. It does not boot from the hard drive, even though it used to do that. Has anyone seen anything like that before ? |
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05:37.11 | topyli | mns: maybe the hard drive is unbootable |
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05:37.41 | mns | hard drive was bootable. its the same drive I have been booting off from over the last 6-7 months. |
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05:38.16 | topyli | that's what they do. they work for a long time and then stop working :) |
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05:39.51 | mns | :) yeah I know that, but in this case the drive is spinning up, light on it is flashing, etc. no noise or anything. I guess the only way I'm going to find out is to get a bootable CD in there and see how things look like. |
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05:41.17 | topyli | maybe it's just your bootloader that's broken. that you can fix off of the bootable cd |
05:43.17 | mns | I did see a CMOS error, which seems to indicate a problem with the battery on the motherboard. |
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06:30.52 | mns | anyone know what the username and password is for Debian Live ? |
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06:33.29 | zykotick9 | mns: try user:live |
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06:35.08 | mns | zykotick9: thanks. that worked |
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07:42.53 | meldron | hey guys, i'am using debian jessie with the default gnome window manager and i want to run chrome in full screen mode kiosk, but sometimes (let's say every 5th start) the full screen is net complete and a little part is missing. Anybody with the same problem? any suggestions how to fix this? |
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07:48.47 | Kacie | meldron I hate it when that happens |
07:49.04 | meldron | Here an screenshot of the incomplete fullscreen http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1489564124.png (you can see the desktop an the bottom of the screen) |
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07:49.44 | meldron | it is really anoyning because i guess i have to come up with a way the recognize it when it happens so i can restart chrome |
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07:51.35 | moetunes | gnome is overkill for a kiosk setup - try a simple wm and set it for fullscreen for all apps |
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07:56.00 | Kacie | meldron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_browsers |
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07:58.35 | topi` | how old are the mesa/drm userspace libs in jessie? I'm trying to get "mpv" to display stuff using --opengl-backend=drm but so far no luck (Invalid argument) |
07:58.42 | topi` | I compiled mpv from source |
07:59.28 | meldron | Kacie: why would you suggest switching the browser? |
07:59.30 | moetunes | you might be experiencing dependency hell |
07:59.35 | omilunomilun | hello . i need to have some user to ssh to server . i have to use a role to each user to can ssh with only a spechial ip address on thier users |
07:59.41 | omilunomilun | how can i do that? |
07:59.59 | Kacie | meldron so you don't get site hacked |
08:00.12 | meldron | site hacked? |
08:00.48 | Kacie | yes. & pls troll elsewhere |
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08:01.55 | cef | topi`: they're not very new. there's newer ones in jessie-backports (mesa 13.0.5, libdrm 2.4.74), but no mesa 17 or libdrm later than that |
08:02.10 | omilunomilun | infact i want my client only can ssh to thier users with thier own ip address |
08:02.16 | topi` | cef: so, it's worth checking out the backports |
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08:02.52 | cef | topi`: definitely.. tho of course, you want to make sure you're actually getting hardware accel in the first place. |
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08:03.51 | cef | topi`: what video card? cos if it's intel Kaby Lake (eg: i7-7700), it still won't work (stuck with this issue atm) |
08:03.54 | meldron | not sure what you mean |
08:04.26 | topi` | cef: this is an embedded board. It uses Vivante GC2000 graphics :D |
08:04.40 | cef | topi`: ah fun fun. |
08:04.42 | topi` | I compiled 4.11 kernel for the fact that it has a working etnaviv 3d drm driver |
08:04.53 | topi` | cef: we do this for a living, so it doesn't need to be fun ;) |
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08:06.02 | topi` | cef: I think all the pieces are there, but now I just need to "make it work", probably means that I have to compile mesa/libdrm from source |
08:06.04 | cef | topi`: well, good luck with it. :D I know there is mesa 17 and a later libdrm in experimental too, tho as always, it's experimental for a reason. |
08:06.26 | Kacie | wished more bosses understood not having fun |
08:06.42 | topi` | we're going to use pure DRM/KMS without Xorg, but it seems that compiling mesa requires X for some reason |
08:07.05 | cef | topi`: indeed |
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08:09.42 | topi` | cef: I know it's possible to take a package or packages from experimental and plant them onto stable via Pinning and other tricks, but I'm a bit wary of this since it's ended up badly in historical times... |
08:09.55 | topi` | that's why I prefer to compile the exotic things from source and install to /usr/local |
08:10.14 | bazhang | mpv is not exotic |
08:10.19 | topi` | well of course then I'd have to apt-get remove the "conflicting" drm/mesa packages |
08:10.28 | bazhang | what as the end goal with mpv |
08:10.28 | topi` | bazhang: no, but mesa 17 is :) |
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08:11.27 | omilunomilun | anybody can not help me? |
08:11.38 | jelly | topi`: use stretch instead of bolting things onto current stable, probably saner this far in the release cycle |
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08:13.10 | moetunes | omilunomilun: there is plenty on the net about ssh - what have you tried ? |
08:13.20 | topi` | jelly: that's a good idea, actually |
08:13.31 | topi` | I'll put debootstrap at work, now :) |
08:13.42 | topi` | or maybe it works just as well to dist-upgrade jessie to stretch? |
08:14.08 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
08:14.08 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
08:14.45 | topi` | ok, that's entirely doable |
08:15.05 | topi` | I have only one single line in my /etc/apt/sources :) |
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08:16.30 | jelly | that means your sources were already incomplete |
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08:19.25 | Lvl4Sword | flashplugin-nonfree gives a 404 error message, because https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/25.0.0.127/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz is the latest - not what it's trying to access, which is https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
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08:20.22 | moetunes | I thought flash was dead |
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08:20.48 | bazhang | doesnt chrome have it by default |
08:21.55 | Lvl4Sword | moetunes: ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
08:21.57 | Lvl4Sword | bazhang: no clue |
08:22.13 | bazhang | yeah it does |
08:22.17 | moetunes | I've no idea, all my porn is webm's |
08:24.04 | topi` | jelly: I just deboostrapped this jessie, and it only gave me a single line to the etc/apt/sources |
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08:29.57 | topi` | when does Stretch go to feature freeze? |
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08:31.53 | Lvl4Sword | topi`: Already has, about a month ago. |
08:32.01 | topi` | ok, that's good news! |
08:32.27 | topi` | what about the great Usr Merge? do I get it with Stretch? |
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08:32.55 | jelly | topi`: only if you want to |
08:32.59 | topi` | I'd imagine there might be a few packages broken by it... |
08:33.05 | topi` | I think I want to |
08:33.22 | Iridos | jelly, put stretch freeze in the topic⦠remove the bit that jessie released (point-release is sufficient) |
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08:33.43 | jelly | Iridos: no time! Busy arguing! |
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08:33.55 | jelly | someone on internet is WRONG |
08:34.07 | Iridos | jelly, I know⦠because I already told ya numerous times |
08:34.14 | Iridos | we'll cut your pay if you continue like that! |
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08:35.03 | topi` | what we want to create, is a system with "transactional" updates, I believe usrmerge will make it simpler |
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08:35.55 | Iridos | what's the great Usr Merge |
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08:36.23 | jelly | ,i usrmerge --release sid |
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08:36.25 | judd | Package usrmerge (admin, extra) in sid/amd64: Convert the system to the merged /usr directories scheme. Version: 14; Size: 11.8k; Installed: 43k; Homepage: https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge |
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08:37.22 | userro | did people install it 43k times? |
08:37.44 | Iridos | that should be installed-size |
08:37.46 | bazhang | userro, thats the size |
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08:38.20 | userro | ah I see lol |
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09:06.11 | __marco | Hello. Can I see from packages.debian.org the compilation flags used for a specific package? |
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09:08.27 | __marco | Or, can you make Hangouts work with chromium? I have to use google-chrome but I would avoid if possible |
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09:08.53 | __marco | no sorry, I mean the screen sharing function in Hangouts |
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09:09.27 | Iridos | well⦠when you figured out what you want to ask, we'll be here ^^ |
09:09.48 | Iridos | there's a screen-sharing function in google's hangouts? |
09:10.09 | __marco | Yes, and we use it a lot |
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09:10.37 | themill | !debian/rules |
09:10.37 | dpkg | debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>. |
09:10.57 | __marco | But it doesn't work with chromium. This is why I look for some strange compilation flags in the chromium package |
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09:11.17 | __marco | enable_hangout_services_extension=false |
09:11.24 | Iridos | I don't see any such thing in the google-chrome I installed |
09:12.20 | Iridos | maybe it was only added in a much later version than jessie's chromium is? |
09:12.34 | __marco | Iridos: start an hangout with someone (I do that from gmail) and there is a button in the top left |
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09:13.22 | __marco | It doesn't work with chromium, only with google-chrome |
09:13.38 | __marco | I would try with firefox |
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09:17.58 | Iridos | hm, interesting |
09:18.15 | Iridos | but when I call chromium -> google-chrome, the button also shows up in chromium |
09:18.44 | Iridos | oh, but then doesn't seem to work |
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09:19.53 | __marco | Iridos: that is exactly my problem |
09:20.27 | __marco | And because I have to use the screen sharing at work, I am stuck with google-chrome |
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09:24.32 | __marco | And the google talk plugin seems not to work with Firefox :( |
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09:24.36 | __marco | too bad |
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09:33.29 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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09:34.20 | Iridos | maybe that's one of the proprietary bits in chromium |
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09:36.21 | Iridos | __marco, https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=416856 |
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09:37.46 | ksk | Hey, If I removed the mysql data-dir, how do I make apt-get install reinstall that? there was a dpkg option for that if I remember correctly? |
09:38.37 | Iridos | The new hangouts beta works OK in Chromium 46.0.xxxx (on ArchLinux). |
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09:38.45 | Iridos | urgh. that seems a thing of the past |
09:39.23 | abff | I used hangouts for a spell |
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09:39.50 | __marco | Iridos: I have already read it before asking. That is why my first question was: how to show the compilation flags of a specific package |
09:40.48 | __marco | Iridos: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-chromium/pkg-chromium.git/tree/debian/rules#n46 |
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09:44.34 | Iridos | well, themill already answered that debian/rules |
09:44.42 | Iridos | but⦠that but is from 2014 and was closed 2016 |
09:45.46 | Iridos | hm, interesting |
09:46.25 | Iridos | but⦠didn't the bug kind of state it's working without anything special and WontFix? |
09:46.26 | TimurTheLame | __marco, pardon me if you already said this, but are you on sid by any chance? |
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09:46.37 | TimurTheLame | __marco, can you use any other extension in chromium? |
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09:49.32 | Iridos | dpkg, tell __marco about build custom package |
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09:55.09 | __marco | TimurTheLame: I am using stretch, I don't update it too oft, but I do for firefox/chrome/chromium |
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09:55.32 | TimurTheLame | __marco, can you install extensions? |
09:56.56 | __marco | I don't know. I try to use Firefox as much as possible and I switch to chromium/google only to use the google's services |
09:57.05 | __marco | can you name just one? |
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09:57.51 | TimurTheLame | __marco, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852398 |
09:57.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/852398 in chromium (closed): «chromium: option --enable-remote-extensions does work: extensions cannot be enabled nor be installed»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-24; last modified: 2017-03-11. |
09:58.04 | dionysus69 | i have no iptables installed |
09:58.05 | TimurTheLame | __marco, tried chromium --enable-remote-extensions? |
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09:58.10 | dionysus69 | does that mean i dont have firewall at all |
09:58.11 | dionysus69 | ? |
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09:58.41 | TimurTheLame | __marco, don't know if it applies to stretch as well, but on sid I had to make a little script run chromium with that flag in order to use extensions X_X |
09:59.43 | __marco | TimurTheLame: you are right, the Extension entry in the menu is disabled |
09:59.54 | TimurTheLame | __marco, maybe Google Hangouts is a Chromium extension? |
10:00.11 | __marco | It is a plugin, but I'll give it a try |
10:00.24 | TimurTheLame | __marco, https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/google-hangouts/nckgahadagoaajjgafhacjanaoiihapd?hl=en |
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10:02.53 | TimurTheLame | __marco, managed to install it? |
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10:05.28 | __marco | TimurTheLame: not yet. Hangouts *works* in chromium, but I cannot share the screen |
10:05.41 | __marco | I click on the share button and nothing happens |
10:06.31 | __marco | I try to install that extension but very unlikely something change |
10:07.24 | __marco | TimurTheLame: I cannot install it: installation is not enabled |
10:07.48 | TimurTheLame | __marco, I would personally delete ~/.config/chromium and run chromium again with the --enable-remote-extensions argument |
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10:08.47 | __marco | TimurTheLame: I used that switch. I try to remove the config dir |
10:08.49 | TimurTheLame | __marco, I had a similar problem to yours when I tried to sync my chromium's extensions with my google account's and if I didn't do it with a clean .config/chromium, it wouldn't work |
10:09.08 | TimurTheLame | __marco, BE CAREFUL THAT IT CONTAINS PERSONAL STUFF |
10:09.17 | TimurTheLame | __marco, forgot to mention this :D |
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10:09.38 | TimurTheLame | __marco, I assumed nothing important would be in your chromium atm since you said that you had no extensions on it |
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10:10.00 | __marco | TimurTheLame: don't worry, I am very careful with rm |
10:10.14 | __marco | I just renamed it |
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10:11.18 | __marco | TimurTheLame: right, the extensions item in the menu is now enabled. previously it was not, even with the --enable-blabla switch |
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10:12.27 | __marco | TimurTheLame: but the share screen still does not work |
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10:12.36 | TimurTheLame | __marco, hmm |
10:13.54 | __marco | TimurTheLame: Iridos thank you for looking on this, but I cannot dedicate more time on this |
10:13.55 | TimurTheLame | __marco, I wouldn't be surprised if some FSF nut maintaining the package didn't compile with that feature if they had the gal to disable extensions by default |
10:14.19 | TimurTheLame | __marco, np |
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10:16.00 | __marco | I personally stopped to fighting against those people. Too bad that I cannot use Firefox/chromium, I still continue to use google-chrome |
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10:16.22 | __marco | with firefox was the same story, different actors |
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10:17.34 | __marco | I have to use Pulse-something to log in a vpn and used to do it with firefox. Now the java plugin is not anymore supported and I have to use IE |
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10:17.42 | yang | Which partition type needs to be selected for Windows vfat - http://paste.debian.net/plain/919985 |
10:17.46 | __marco | or edge or how it is called |
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10:18.33 | colo-work | is there a package in Debian that implements a server for the sntp protocol? |
10:18.41 | __marco | I have to go. Bye |
10:18.43 | colo-work | (used in networking gear) |
10:19.33 | TimurTheLame | __marco, later |
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10:20.31 | petn-randall | colo-work: Doesn't look like there are such packages. Your gear *only* support sntp? |
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10:20.43 | colo-work | petn-randall, apparently, yes |
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10:21.26 | TimurTheLame | __marco, if you're still interested, here's the ./debian/rules of the chromium stretch package with google hangouts disabled |
10:22.20 | rgr | two newly installed machines. pristine stable. enabled Xforwarding in /etc/sss/sshd_config. when I "ssh -X othermachine" and then run, say, "pcmanfm" the pcmanfm is actually coming up on the other machine and not the client I am sshing in from. What obvious thing have I forgotten? |
10:22.22 | TimurTheLame | __marco, https://www.pastiebin.com/58c915d80b371 |
10:22.29 | plasmoduck | how do I change the grub background image when my computer boots? |
10:22.38 | TimurTheLame | __marco, enable_hangout_services_extension=false |
10:23.20 | __marco | TimurTheLame: so you think to set it to true would be enough? |
10:23.26 | __marco | s/so/do/ |
10:23.31 | TimurTheLame | __marco, have no idea :D |
10:23.35 | __marco | ahaha |
10:23.38 | __marco | I will try |
10:23.41 | TimurTheLame | __marco, never rebuilt a debian package |
10:23.43 | abff | what about rdate |
10:23.56 | __marco | TimurTheLame: you should at least once |
10:23.57 | TimurTheLame | __marco, and I just switched back to archlinux :D |
10:23.59 | abff | , rdate |
10:24.04 | __marco | not a terrible experience |
10:24.10 | abff | (someone make the bot do the thing) |
10:24.20 | __marco | bye |
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10:26.37 | abff | colo-work: check out 'apt search rdate' see if it fits the bill |
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10:27.07 | colo-work | I'm researching that sntp topic a bit, and afaict so far, any ntp server should be able to speak it... |
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10:27.51 | archer121 | Hi, I am trying to install a package called 'matrix-synapse' from a 3rd party repository. I added it to my sources.list, and when I try to install, it gives the unmet dependencies error. The package requires "pyhton-nacl" and "python-openssl", but installing one uninstalls the other. How do I fix this? |
10:28.45 | colo-work | check if the 3rd party repository you enabled is actually advertised to work with your installed release of Debian |
10:29.39 | rgr | doh. obvious. |
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10:30.59 | abff | colo-work: You may want to comment out unofficial repositories in sources.list? |
10:31.47 | archer121 | It says Jessie and I am running Debian 8. The package is available under / packages / sid (unstable) / net / matrix-synapse in debian |
10:32.16 | abff | colo-work: https://paste.debian.net/plain/919991 |
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10:32.42 | Almtesh | Hi. |
10:33.04 | Almtesh | I'm looking for the program that displays system information on desktop. |
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10:33.57 | Almtesh | It can be configurated to display load charts and refresh them a fixed intervals. |
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10:34.36 | archer121 | Almtesh: try conky? |
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10:36.26 | TimurTheLame | Almtesh, use a desktop environment like xfce, gnome or kde? Or a tiling WM? |
10:36.37 | rgr | Almtesh: htop is good. |
10:37.23 | rgr | gnome3 tiles pretty good. I've dumped xmonad now. The integrated nature of gnome just makes it a no brainer rather rhan running through hoops with .xinitrc. |
10:37.34 | Almtesh | archer121, it's the one I was looking for. |
10:37.47 | Almtesh | TimurTheLame, it's for Mate. |
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10:38.15 | Almtesh | rgr, htop does not display on desktop and is not configurable enough. |
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10:39.47 | TimurTheLame | Almtesh, doesn't Mate have taskbar plugins and stuff like that? |
10:40.09 | colo-work | abff, I'm not having trouble with my packages/repos; that was archer121 :) |
10:40.22 | colo-work | abff, also, rdate seems to provide the client part of SNTP only |
10:40.26 | colo-work | or am I missing something? |
10:40.45 | Almtesh | TimurTheLame, actually, I allready have something with the taskbar, but I'm looking for something else because it's not really simple to use. |
10:41.11 | Almtesh | TimurTheLame, it's to deploy on a lot of computer to users. |
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10:42.23 | abff | colo-work: Nah I'd say you're right it only claims to set the system time from a remote host, not act as one |
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10:47.59 | reev | Hi how can i install strongswan-plugin-eap-mschapv2 in debian jessie |
10:48.16 | reev | I tried apt-get install strongswan-plugin-eap-mschapv2 but it said no package |
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10:49.09 | Wulf | reev: libcharon-extra-plugins perhaps? |
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10:53.03 | brontosaurusrex | trying to compile ffmpeg on stretch, but getting this https://paste.debian.net/plain/919993 , any ideas? |
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10:56.56 | reev | Wulf yeah |
10:57.38 | BluesKaj | brontosaurusrex, there's no need to compile ffmpeg for stretch |
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10:59.32 | BluesKaj | install it from the repos, brontosaurusrex |
11:00.07 | brontosaurusrex | BluesKaj: ok ... |
11:01.02 | gerforce1 | hello, i have a problem with upgrade my debian. When i try to apt-get update. There is a error: hash sum mismatch. What's the reason for this problem? |
11:01.21 | sypher | gerforce1: Bad mirror, misbehaving network hardware, etc. |
11:01.37 | missmbob | switch mirrors, try again later |
11:01.37 | Wulf | gerforce1: the nsa trying to hack you |
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11:03.53 | gerforce1 | one mirror is : http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/source/Sources |
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11:04.32 | missmbob | !jessie sources.list |
11:04.32 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
11:04.59 | missmbob | i like deb.debian.org |
11:05.23 | brontosaurusrex | BluesKaj: that actually did the trick, thanks. |
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11:07.15 | gerforce1 | missmbob: for the security updates? |
11:07.44 | missmbob | no. the bot covered that |
11:08.08 | sypher | gerforce1: If the issue is coming from the security updates mirror, just wait a bit and try again. |
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11:10.30 | BluesKaj | brontosaurusrex, glad to hear it :-) |
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11:11.54 | brontosaurusrex | so are there plans to keep ffmpeg a bit more up-to-date in the future? |
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11:13.07 | gerforce1 | sypher: there are three mismatches. Two of them are from security mirror |
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11:13.53 | BluesKaj | brontosaurusrex, seems so, ffmpeg is effective and finally up to date |
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11:16.36 | Iridos | __mar⦠oh werrrl |
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11:23.54 | topi` | whaaat, I just mkfs.ext4'd a new filesystem onto a SD card, but when transferring that card to a system running 3.4 kernel, it said it cannot load the journal |
11:24.12 | topi` | I was eventually able to mount it, finally, with this: |
11:24.13 | topi` | mount -oro,noload /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt |
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11:25.56 | topi` | noload = "Don't load the journal on mounting. " |
11:26.07 | petn-randall | topi`: I'm guessing you either ejected the card too early, or there's a hw defect. ext4 hasn't had any incompatible changes for a long time now. |
11:26.39 | topi` | OK, I guess it's worth to re'mkfs the thing |
11:27.13 | topi` | /dev/mmcblk1p1 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum |
11:27.17 | topi` | this is what fsck.ext4 says |
11:27.32 | petn-randall | topi`: Since SD cards are sometimes really slow at writing, I'd run 'sync' before ejecting the card. If that still produces problems, it would be worth a try to run badblocks on it. |
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11:30.22 | topi` | it seems mkfs.ext4 has metadata_csum turned ON, and that's why an old kernel such as 3.4 refuses to mount it |
11:30.25 | topi` | https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums |
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11:34.28 | topi` | "It should NOT be possible for old fs code to write to a filesystem with metadata checksums enabled. The metadata_csum flag is implemented as a ROCOMPAT flag, which should keep (non-malicious) old programs from messing things up." |
11:34.55 | topi` | so that's why 3.4 won't work. I wonder if this is what the package maintainer of mkfs.ext4 wants? |
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11:39.20 | petn-randall | topi`: I'm guessing that they just stuck with the upstream default. |
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11:46.54 | topi` | yes |
11:47.03 | topi` | it seems that a 3.14 kernel is able to mount it, but 3.4 isn't |
11:47.24 | topi` | I imagine there's numerous systems still running Wheezy, and that would mean a 3.2 kernel |
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11:51.00 | petn-randall | topi`: I see. You can remove that flag with tune2fs if you need to mount that filesystem writeable on an older system. |
11:52.24 | topi` | yes. But I think the users deserve to know that nowadays, the default options are not backwards-compatible |
11:52.47 | topi` | I also did read up the facts on that option, metadata_csum and the rationale seems to be pretty good. It can catch more errors. |
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11:59.52 | TheEnderDragon | i spammed the troll and trolled the spam |
11:59.57 | TheEnderDragon | and LOL, the dongs |
12:00.12 | TheEnderDragon | it all smells like donkey shit |
12:01.02 | TheEnderDragon | !ops | dongs |
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12:07.01 | petn-randall | School holidays surely started early this year. |
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12:10.46 | topi` | oddly enough, I cannot remove that feature with stretch's tune2fs |
12:10.50 | TheEnderDragon | !ops | niggers, i blame them for all things |
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12:11.00 | TheEnderDragon | !ops heil das dritte reich |
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12:11.02 | topi` | tune2fs: Read-only file system while trying to open /dev/sda1 |
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12:19.52 | tdn | After upgrading from Debian 7 to Debian 8, I cannot start syslog-ng with my own config. If I use the config provided by the package, everything works of course. But my own old syslog-ng.conf does not work anymore. That is, if I start syslog-ng using "service syslog-ng start", it fails. However, if I start syslog-ng in forground, it works fine. How do I debug this? |
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12:23.09 | g0zzy | I come to configure a printer for Debian/Mate and can find no dialog to do that. Googling gives nothing! How do i do it? |
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12:27.12 | topi` | hmm, wasn't --merged-usr supposed to be available in debootstrap from stretch repository? |
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12:27.24 | topi` | I just did apt-get install -t stretch debootstrap and the --merged-usr is nowhere to ve seen |
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12:28.41 | g0zzy | Surely it IS possible to use a printer in the Mate desktop? |
12:29.36 | themill | topi`: which version of debootstrap did you install? |
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12:32.20 | b0urnea | hello, i have a problem with find. Is this right: find ./ -name partial -prune -o \( -name security -print\) ? |
12:32.22 | topi` | themill: debootstrap 1.0.88 |
12:32.41 | themill | that supports --merged-usr just fine |
12:33.11 | topi` | yeah, but why doesn't it show up in --help ? |
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12:34.07 | b0urnea | i want to ignore the partial directory while check other files with name security and print it out. |
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12:34.13 | themill | topi`: it does |
12:34.48 | topi` | themill: you're correct, it does |
12:35.01 | topi` | I need more sleep |
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12:36.35 | nwe | can I configure so apt-get using client certificate? |
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12:38.42 | hiya | how to installl WARNING: Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: svg |
12:38.47 | hiya | svg module for QT? |
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12:40.34 | themill | nwe: yes, see the info in the apt-transport-https package |
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12:41.43 | g0zzy | I figured out. Either Mate is a work in progress or the Debian packaging of it is. I needed to install the extra package system-config-printer |
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12:43.18 | themill | the debian installer would install that package for you in the gnome desktop; you don't need it to configure a printer |
12:43.34 | themill | (and help for mate is in #mate not #debian) |
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12:44.09 | g0zzy | It didn't. I installed task-mate-desktop in Debian, so it's incomplete |
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12:45.30 | ph88^ | hey guys, my computer crashed and now this launcher doesn't work anymore https://bpaste.net/show/752a3160a2f3 but the terminator program still works, what's wrong ? |
12:45.33 | b0urnea | hello, i have a problem with find. Is this right: find ./ -name partial -prune -o \( -name security -print\) ? |
12:45.48 | b0urnea | i want to ignore the partial directory while check other files with name security and print it out. |
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12:46.18 | themill | g0zzy: you don't get to run around claiming that your desktop is lighter without leaving out things. |
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12:47.40 | g0zzy | I think perhaps they should leave X out of the next one - that will lighten it a bit more ;) |
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12:52.47 | petn-randall | tdn: If it fails with your "old" config, what error messages do you get? |
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12:54.59 | JyZyXEL | is there a mount option for rootfs that can help to avoid data corruption when you expect the system to freeze multiple times in a single day? |
12:55.20 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: The journal should take care of that. |
12:55.23 | Wulf | JyZyXEL: ro |
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12:55.29 | petn-randall | heh :) |
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12:55.41 | JyZyXEL | ro might prevent the system from working in the first place :p |
12:55.55 | JyZyXEL | .zsh_history is the only file that has been corrupted, so far, afaik. |
12:56.06 | ph88^ | when i try this http://askubuntu.com/a/437053 i get bash: Exec: command not found how do i get the Exec command working ? |
12:56.11 | JyZyXEL | 3 times it has happened today, and i've crashed 6 times |
12:56.18 | tdn | petn-randall, thats the problem. This is the actual syslog. So there is no errors in the logs. |
12:56.52 | tdn | petn-randall, and if I start syslog-ng in the foreground and having it display internal messages in STDERR, then it works fine with the old config and no errors are displayed. |
12:57.01 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: It might have to do with how zsh creates that file. If it deletes the old one and adds a new one, it might be gone. truncate + append *should* in theory either give you the old or the new contents. |
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12:57.10 | tdn | petn-randall, invoking in foreground with "syslog-ng -e -F" |
12:57.26 | petn-randall | tdn: You still have the systemd journal to check. |
12:57.31 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: i always find some garbage near the end |
12:57.43 | petn-randall | tdn: 'journalctl -u syslog-ng' should give you some meaningful output. |
12:57.48 | JyZyXEL | some escape character, like 40 times repeated |
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12:58.04 | JyZyXEL | delete that line and the corruption always gets fixed enough to continue working |
12:58.25 | JyZyXEL | i just hope the same doesn't happen to any system configuration files :D |
12:58.47 | tdn | petn-randall, systemd[1]: syslog-ng.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start. |
12:58.48 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: They'd need to be written to in the first place for this to happen. |
12:58.58 | petn-randall | tdn: No further output? |
12:58.59 | tdn | petn-randall, systemd[1]: Failed to start System Logger Daemon. |
12:59.20 | tdn | petn-randall, and a lot of these: http://paste.yt/p5447.html |
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13:00.31 | petn-randall | tdn: Then I'd compare the both config files, and pay close attention to the differences. Then you could try just adding things step-by-step to the original config until it stops working. |
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13:00.52 | tdn | petn-randall, that is what I am trying to do. However, the configs are hugely different :( |
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13:01.15 | tdn | petn-randall, and also, my config actually works if I start syslog-ng in forground. This is what I do not get. |
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13:01.37 | tdn | petn-randall, it is like there is something in the new config that is required for it to be run under systemd. However, I do not see how that makes sense |
13:01.40 | petn-randall | tdn: That's unfortunate. Can you show your config? |
13:02.12 | tdn | petn-randall, sure. Just a sec |
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13:02.49 | frosite | In Vera Crypt while trying to encrypt / partition Vera Crypt gives: Error: You are trying to encrypt a system partition. VeraCrypt can encrypt system partitions only under Windows. |
13:02.50 | tdn | petn-randall, http://paste.yt/p5448.html |
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13:04.08 | frosite | doesnt it work to encrypt / (system partition) in linux with Vera Crypt? |
13:04.46 | nwe | themill: okey :) |
13:05.16 | bezaban | frosite: I would think that means VeraCrypt can encrypt system partitions only under windows |
13:05.20 | tdn | petn-randall, do you see any problems in that? |
13:05.49 | bezaban | frosite: but you can with LUKS |
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13:08.52 | frosite | i would guess its the cryptsetup install from synaptic? |
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13:11.41 | zykotick9 | frosite: trying to encrypt / after install might be difficult... note, setting up full disk encryption is pretty straight forward from the debian install... good luck. |
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13:11.57 | tdn | frosite, do you use SSDs? |
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13:12.31 | tdn | frosite, if so, please take special care when using FDE. Either ensure LUKS supports fstrim or leave som unallocated space |
13:13.42 | sypher | tdn: Why the unallocated space? |
13:14.22 | tdn | sypher, because otherwise wear leveling on the SSD will not happen and it's lifetime will be reduced severely. I learned this the hard way. |
13:14.50 | FinalX | mostly not needed on current age ssd's anymore |
13:14.57 | sypher | tdn: Isn't that what the overprovisioned space on SSDs is for? |
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13:15.34 | tdn | sypher, yes, except I do not think that is enough if you use FDE. |
13:15.54 | tdn | FinalX, that's what I thought too. Just had several SSDs die on my. |
13:15.54 | sypher | tdn: Why not? |
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13:17.29 | tdn | sypher, I guess it is because the amount of overprovisioned space is only enough to some "average" user. E.g. either unencrypted storage or encrypted storage with trim support. This is speculation on my part, as I do not know enough about this stuff. |
13:17.39 | sypher | Because the disk controller doesn't care about FDE, or about any of the data that's being written. |
13:17.51 | tdn | sypher, I only know that I experienced several SSDs fail on me. |
13:18.09 | petn-randall | tdn: I can't see anything obvious. I'd check the NEWS file in /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng/. My guess is something with the input, since journald only passes things through to any syslog daemons further down. |
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13:19.13 | tdn | petn-randall, ok. |
13:20.02 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: What log does journald get written to? |
13:20.03 | frosite | i didnt know that it didnt? work or is as easy to encrypt full installed / system under linux like it is in Windows |
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13:21.15 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: It's not persistent normally, but it's some binary log format. |
13:21.18 | frosite | ...that must do it in or its better to do it in the installation of the distro |
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13:33.08 | Nathan | is this the main #debian server? |
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13:33.26 | OtakuSenpai | its the #debian channel |
13:33.29 | jelly | Nathan: no, irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) is |
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13:34.11 | Nathan | hi guys |
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13:53.02 | bezaban | ,v apt |
13:53.03 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4~rc2; sid: 1.4~rc2 |
13:53.05 | JyZyXEL | how do i get a list of files for .deb package that hasn't been installed? |
13:53.18 | JyZyXEL | like 'dpkg -L' does |
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13:55.10 | bezaban | JyZyXEL: apt-file list |
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13:57.32 | JyZyXEL | returns nothing for apt-file list firmware-amd-graphics |
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13:58.16 | bezaban | JyZyXEL: did you update the cache as it told you when you installed it?: ) |
13:58.44 | bezaban | oh wait, I seem to be getting the same :) |
13:59.16 | bezaban | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
13:59.17 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2 |
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13:59.27 | JyZyXEL | oh there is a backports |
13:59.46 | bezaban | yeah |
13:59.50 | bezaban | only in backports |
14:00.10 | JyZyXEL | it conflicts with the firmware-linux-nonfree |
14:01.27 | JyZyXEL | looks like the "firmware-amd-graphics" has the required firmware/amdgpu/tonga_* that i require |
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14:13.23 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: It should be possible to manually download, unpack, and place the files. |
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14:14.13 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins_wk: yeah, i noticed when "locate" found the necessary files from under a stretch chroot :P |
14:14.26 | JyZyXEL | simply copied them over |
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14:16.03 | ghormoon | hi, anyone using zfs from jessie-backports with backported kernel (4.9)? the module doesn't build, I've found out some parameters to configure can fix that. Is that the right way, to modify somehow how dkms builds that? |
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14:18.53 | jhutchins_wk | ghormoon: Did you get build-essential from backports? (I don't know if that's needed, just that it's there.) |
14:19.21 | ghormoon | jhutchins_wk: I've just found out there's newer version of the zfs package also which didn't update, I've missed something |
14:19.29 | ghormoon | let's see in few minutes if it fails too |
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14:22.04 | wreck_boo | says hello |
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14:22.13 | wreck_boo | i have been trying to build a custom kernel on a 32bit debian operating system but it says "Exec format error" |
14:22.13 | wreck_boo | any help please |
14:23.22 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: Why are you building your own kernel? |
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14:24.01 | wreck_boo | some reasons i wana add some more features and more module support |
14:24.07 | wreck_boo | any HELP? |
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14:25.46 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: That can be solved with DKMS, you don't need to compile your own kernel for that. |
14:26.11 | wreck_boo | what is DKMS? |
14:26.17 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: I'm guessing that you accidentally disabled ELF support, or compiled for the wrong arch? Where exactly did you get that error? |
14:26.20 | petn-randall | !dkms |
14:26.20 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
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14:27.25 | wreck_boo | am building a kernel for android on debian.......... |
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14:27.39 | wreck_boo | how is that possible using dkms? |
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14:28.15 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: That's why I asked you about why you're building a kernel. If it was for Debian, DKMS would have helped here. |
14:28.30 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: Where are you getting this error? How are you building the kernel? |
14:28.43 | wreck_boo | at the make command\ |
14:29.23 | wreck_boo | is there any way i can run x86_64 binaries on x86? |
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14:30.21 | petn-randall | ... |
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14:30.59 | jelly | wreck_boo: on a cpu that does not support x86_64 instruction set? Only by way of full emulation. |
14:31.25 | jhutchins_wk | wreck_boo: A VM _might_ work. |
14:31.34 | wreck_boo | jelly: how |
14:31.44 | jelly | wreck_boo: qemu can do it, expect it to be 10-100 times slower than native |
14:31.48 | petn-randall | !goal |
14:31.48 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
14:32.08 | wreck_boo | am already running on a 32bit debian vm |
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14:32.18 | jelly | wreck_boo: what are you trying to run? |
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14:33.08 | wreck_boo | dpkg: am trying to build a kernel on android but is seems the toolchain is only supported for 64bit pc |
14:33.08 | dpkg | wreck_boo: that's too long |
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14:33.52 | jelly | wreck_boo: get a 64bit machine, or a native toolchain for your system |
14:34.12 | wreck_boo | how can i then get the native toolchain jelly |
14:34.14 | jelly | emulated compilers are going to be a pain in more ways than one |
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14:34.26 | jelly | wreck_boo: how did you get the 64bit one? |
14:34.51 | wreck_boo | jelly: via aosp website |
14:35.18 | jelly | wreck_boo: ask them, probably, or ask in #android ? |
14:35.36 | wreck_boo | ok |
14:35.48 | jelly | is your host really incapable of 64bit? |
14:36.00 | wreck_boo | jelly: yea |
14:36.06 | wreck_boo | 32bit debian |
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14:36.19 | jelly | wreck_boo: you said that 32bit debian was a VM |
14:36.33 | jelly | I'm asking about the host that VM runs on. |
14:36.50 | wreck_boo | the the host is also 32bit windows |
14:37.13 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: On a 32bit CPU? |
14:37.21 | jelly | wreck_boo: boot a live 64bit linux instead, dunno? |
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14:40.05 | wreck_boo | jelly: can i run any other emulator apart from qemu |
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14:40.19 | wreck_boo | that would emulate 64bit? |
14:40.25 | wreck_boo | do u knw any? |
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14:41.15 | Glooomy | Hi :) |
14:42.22 | wreck_boo | anybody? |
14:42.36 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: We already told you how to fix your problem, and jelly already told you why emulating 64bit is a bag of problems. |
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14:42.54 | Glooomy | My residence's network is administered through a debian server. There are some security cameras connected to it and I'm trying to figure out how to configure them, any idea where I could look? |
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14:43.36 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: And the more you ignore questions directed to you regarding your problem, the more likely it will be that no one is willing to help you. |
14:43.36 | wreck_boo | petn-randall: i dint get any clear solution... |
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14:44.10 | towo^work | sure you get |
14:44.19 | towo^work | boot or install a 64bit linux |
14:44.22 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: The answer was pretty clear: "15:35 < jelly > wreck_boo: ask them, probably, or ask in #android ?" |
14:44.41 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: Or that. You already got two answers then. |
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14:44.53 | wreck_boo | petn-randall: OK! |
14:45.07 | Glooomy | (The previous network administrator has gone awol and I'm the only one here with some experience with these things so I was asked if I could do some modifications but have no idea where to look for... there are some entries in iptables concerning the cameras but that's all I could find) |
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14:46.49 | sypher | Glooomy: I don't know that you're going to get much help here. We -may- be able to assist with the Debian side. The cameras, not so much. |
14:48.09 | Glooomy | sypher where would you look for configuration fils for this sort of hardware? The whole thing is working so there must be some configuration somewhere but I can't find anything |
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14:48.47 | sypher | Glooomy: Not a clue. |
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14:54.07 | jhutchins_wk | Glooomy: A lot depends on the camera hardware (and software). There really aren't any standards for such things. Are they connecting via networking or coax? |
14:54.33 | jhutchins_wk | !webcam |
14:54.33 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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14:54.50 | Glooomy | jhutchins_wk Networking, iirc |
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14:55.17 | jhutchins_wk | Glooomy: The webcam stuff assumes a wired connection, usb or something. |
14:55.22 | OnceMe | is systemctl supported on debian jessie? |
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14:55.32 | petn-randall | OnceMe: yes |
14:55.36 | fishsticks | !ldvb |
14:55.40 | fishsticks | :( |
14:55.59 | OnceMe | petn-randall: why does systemctl enable supervisor didnt bring supervisor started on machine reboot? |
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14:56.32 | jhutchins_wk | Glooomy: I'd start by tracking down manufacturer and model. Use the usual diagnostic tools to see what's running on the sytem. If it's publishing a web page, read the configuration and content files for the webserver. |
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14:56.50 | petn-randall | OnceMe: Does the systemd unit 'supervisor' exist? Can you start it via 'systemctl start supervisor'? |
14:56.51 | jhutchins_wk | Glooomy: Third party software is often installed under /opt |
14:57.02 | petn-randall | OnceMe: Did you check the status with 'systemctl status supervisor'? |
14:57.03 | Glooomy | jhutchins_wk Thanks for the tips. What w |
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14:57.19 | Glooomy | * what do you call usual diagnostic tools? |
14:57.51 | jhutchins_wk | top, ps, lsof, netstat |
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14:58.08 | Glooomy | right. Will start there. thanks :) |
14:58.13 | jhutchins_wk | chkconfig --list |
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15:01.04 | OnceMe | petn-randall: yes |
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15:01.36 | OnceMe | systemctl status supervisor |
15:01.42 | OnceMe | gives Active (running) |
15:02.20 | petn-randall | OnceMe: Then I guess it did start on machine reboot. |
15:03.33 | SerajewelKS | is there a way with the systemd version in jessie to delay auto-mounting of an fstab entry until after the network is up? trying to automount s3fs at boot causes a panic into recovery mode because a "required" filesystem couldn't be mounted. |
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15:04.02 | SerajewelKS | IIRC the _netdev mechanism is newer than the systemd version in jessie |
15:04.11 | Glooomy | Isn't runlevel 5 supposed to be for when there is a display manager ? If my server is in runlevel 5 does it mean there is some way I can get a graphical interface to it? |
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15:04.39 | sypher | Glooomy: That's a Red Hat-ism. |
15:05.00 | Glooomy | So not the same for debian? |
15:05.01 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: if you're using systemd, there aren't really even runlevels |
15:05.11 | sypher | Glooomy: Also that. ^ |
15:05.16 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: and you'd only get a display manager if you have one installed |
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15:06.08 | SerajewelKS | systemd has "targets". display managers will usually declare wanted-by multi-user.target, which means basically that booting into the multi-user target (the default) will start the display manager automatically. |
15:06.21 | SerajewelKS | but, of course, if you don't have a display manager installed, you're not going to be running a display manager |
15:06.47 | Glooomy | SerajewelKS Well, if I type runlevel I get N 5 ? |
15:07.07 | OnceMe | ok it works now |
15:07.09 | OnceMe | hmm |
15:07.19 | OnceMe | nginx is still in startup |
15:07.30 | OnceMe | but would it hurt if I make sure its in startup that I do one more time systectl enable nginx? |
15:07.32 | sypher | Glooomy: Are you on Jessie? |
15:07.40 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: so do i |
15:07.41 | OnceMe | its going to overwrite current config or? |
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15:08.05 | Glooomy | sypher No idea what that is :-) |
15:08.08 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: there is some compatibility layer on top of systemd providing sysv-initd-like functionality |
15:08.19 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: what happens if you run systemctl |
15:08.33 | Glooomy | Never used debian before, just trying to figure out how this whole configuration is working |
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15:08.48 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: jessie is the current stable release of debian |
15:09.07 | SerajewelKS | in other words, the 8.x series of releases |
15:09.35 | Glooomy | SerajewelKS I get a long table with headers UNIT, LOAD, ... |
15:09.48 | skrite | hey all, i make an sqldump of our db and update the file (tar.gz) to another machine. the file is huge (32 GIG) and clogs up the network when i send it sftp. any ideas? |
15:09.57 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: so you're using systemd, and the concept of a runlevel is a bit of an illusion |
15:10.10 | SerajewelKS | skrite: what is your question? |
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15:11.30 | skrite | SerajewelKS, well, just looking for a better solution to move a giant file from one box to another without locking up the bandwidth of the network |
15:11.36 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: my understanding is that systemd allows the concept of a runlevel and maps it onto a particular target |
15:11.45 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: so runlevel 5 is mapped to multi-user.target, i think |
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15:12.03 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: the likely explanation for not having a display manager running is that you never installed one |
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15:12.29 | alpharray__ | Hello |
15:12.37 | Glooomy | I have debian 8u3, apparently |
15:12.39 | alpharray__ | I have a big problem for which I need help |
15:12.46 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: _netdev is definitely older than systemd. |
15:12.50 | SerajewelKS | skrite: do it outside of the network then, use removable media |
15:12.56 | alpharray__ | I accidentally deleted all my users and don't know how to login into the system |
15:13.23 | alpharray__ | I have the Not listed? functionallity but can't get in, what should I do? |
15:13.24 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: huh, weird. maybe there was some bug related to it then. i just remember last time i tried it, the system still went into panic at boot. |
15:13.33 | ggff8 | Alpharray: su |
15:13.34 | bezaban | alpharray__: how exactly did you do that? |
15:14.00 | alpharray__ | I was removing a user and when the prompt asked delete all files I clicked |
15:14.01 | jhutchins_wk | skrite: There are tools that will throttle the transfer. It will be slower, but won't cause network problems. |
15:14.08 | alpharray__ | It asked again and it was for my user |
15:14.12 | jhutchins_wk | skrite: You can also do a physical transfer. |
15:14.18 | alpharray__ | I am panicing |
15:14.27 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: which files did you delete? |
15:14.39 | alpharray__ | I deleted the users |
15:14.42 | bezaban | alpharray__: so, what files and what were you using to do that? did you try logging in as the root user? |
15:14.46 | alpharray__ | I don't have a user in the machine |
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15:15.28 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: so you deleted /etc/passwd? |
15:15.29 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray__: Do you mean you removed the home directories, or did you do something to the shadow password system? |
15:15.31 | skrite | jhutchins_wk, yes, i could do a physical transfer and sneakernet this around on a large usb, but I wanted a way to automate this in cron every week |
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15:15.43 | alpharray__ | I removed the home directories I think |
15:15.46 | skrite | jhutchins_wk, what kind of tools will throttle sftp? |
15:15.52 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: then the users still exist, but all of their data is gone |
15:15.54 | alpharray__ | I went to settings an press the remove user button |
15:16.13 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: log in as root and look in /home to see what's there |
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15:21.59 | alpharray__ | Alright |
15:22.03 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray__: I think deleting $HOME would prevent a GUI login, but not a console one. |
15:22.08 | alpharray__ | I went to settings and clicked the users button |
15:22.20 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray__: If you just deleted the users from the password system, you can recover pretty easily. |
15:22.26 | alpharray__ | From there I kicked a little minus on the user and hit delete all files |
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15:22.31 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: if you are worried about the data then you should immediately shut down the machine and attach the drive(s) to another, working linux machine, and mount them READ-ONLY and look around |
15:22.58 | SerajewelKS | if you truly did delete data, then having the filesystem mounted read-write can destroy whatever might be left of the data |
15:23.03 | alpharray__ | SerajewelKS: I am worried about the data but it is not my biggest worry at the moment |
15:23.15 | alpharray__ | Wait |
15:23.29 | jhutchins_wk | This is why GUIs are dangerous, and the argument that it makes it possible to administer a system without learning the CLI is bogus, you are doing things you don't understand. |
15:23.30 | alpharray__ | Give root password for maintenance |
15:23.33 | alpharray__ | What should I do? |
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15:23.39 | alpharray__ | It says incorrect login |
15:23.43 | Glooomy | sorry, was afk. I'm actually connected to it by ssh, how do I check if there's a display manager running ? Can I just start a DM on my local machine through ssh? (I'm reading contradicting information online) |
15:24.17 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: recovery mode of the installer is different from recovery mode of your existing system |
15:24.25 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: you need the installer CD to do this |
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15:24.37 | alpharray__ | I had a ctrl-d to continue |
15:24.49 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: the recovery mode on the system itself assumes you know the root password. it would be a bit silly if you could get root privileges on the system just by rebooting the system and selecting a different entry in grub. |
15:24.57 | jhutchins_wk | Glooomy: Probably want to stay away from the GUI for what you're doing. |
15:25.15 | jhutchins_wk | !forgot root password |
15:25.15 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
15:25.26 | alpharray__ | SerajewelKS: Let me see what I can do, I am running everything from a Mac (Hardware) as I changed the operating system a long time ago |
15:25.34 | alpharray__ | SerajewelKS: Lets see what there is |
15:25.39 | SerajewelKS | Glooomy: you could run a VNC X server and tunnel over ssh... but it general using displays remotely is a bit silly on linux |
15:25.50 | alpharray__ | That didn't seem to have worked |
15:25.53 | Glooomy | jhutchins_wk It's not necessarily for the webcam thing, I'm just trying to figure out how the whole setup is (and get comfy with debian along the way ;)) |
15:25.56 | alpharray__ | I have the same entry as before |
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15:26.15 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: of course it didn't work, you're not doing what we're telling you to. you're running off doing whatever you think it means instead of doing what it actually means. |
15:26.17 | jhutchins_wk | !handbook |
15:26.17 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
15:26.23 | supperUSER | ls |
15:26.31 | alpharray__ | SerajewelKS: I am sorry |
15:26.33 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: if you're not going to listen then there's little incentive for me to continue trying to assist |
15:26.36 | alpharray__ | I am really nerveous and panicing |
15:26.39 | alpharray__ | Let me calm down |
15:26.49 | alpharray__ | Ok, sorry once again |
15:26.50 | SerajewelKS | alpharray__: go for a quick five minute walk and come back focused |
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15:27.02 | alpharray__ | Alright |
15:27.05 | alpharray__ | Done leave please |
15:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | takes SerajewelKS's advice. |
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15:28.59 | ggff8 | I wish people would backup data that is so important to them |
15:29.10 | ggff8 | Seems common sense to me |
15:29.26 | SerajewelKS | or entire systems, if they are that critical |
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15:29.56 | sypher | Just use RAID, right? |
15:29.58 | sypher | ducks. |
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15:30.52 | ggff8 | You dont bury family photos in the ground if theyre important to you |
15:31.11 | SerajewelKS | that reminds me, i need to rework my owncloud server backup scripts |
15:31.21 | SerajewelKS | speaking of family photos :> |
15:32.09 | teraflops | we should hot help people to recover data, they should have backups. |
15:32.24 | petn-randall | sypher: I've just got my data in "the cloud", it should be safe, right? |
15:32.30 | teraflops | lol |
15:32.49 | petn-randall | Especially clicking around as root is a mortal sin. |
15:32.50 | teraflops | petn-randall: at least encrypt it |
15:32.56 | ggff8 | Not until it 'rains' |
15:33.30 | teraflops | petn-randall: also _only cloud_ is not 100% safe |
15:33.47 | teraflops | consider a mega solar storm |
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15:33.55 | ggff8 | Nothing is %100 even redundency |
15:34.01 | teraflops | right |
15:34.13 | SerajewelKS | there's a point where you get diminishing returns on your expenses |
15:34.35 | ggff8 | You could burn data to a million dvdrs and theorhetorically they could all somehow be destroyed |
15:34.42 | SerajewelKS | as soon as you have a single off-site backup, your returns diminish pretty dramatically on the next redundant thing |
15:34.42 | petn-randall | You could always chisel your data into stone. |
15:34.53 | teraflops | ggff8: well DVD's are a joke, even paper is better |
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15:35.02 | petn-randall | this ^ |
15:35.08 | ggff8 | Lol i like the stone idea |
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15:35.15 | petn-randall | DVDS don't even have a half-life of 10 years, AFAIR. |
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15:35.34 | SerajewelKS | my backup plan generally involves having a gpg private key on paper in multiple physical locations, the passphrase split with ssss so that you need a minimum of those physical pieces to access the key |
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15:35.42 | ggff8 | I could just have my gf remember all my data..she doesnt ever forget shit |
15:35.46 | SerajewelKS | the use the public key to encrypt the backups and store them on multiple, different cloud storage providers |
15:35.52 | teraflops | even having data in detached HDD's can be lost because HDD's need to spin |
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15:36.02 | toruvinn | my old self-burned dvds died in like 2-3 years. by "died" i mean "appeared as empty in at least 3 readers i tried" |
15:36.18 | SerajewelKS | teraflops: i thought spinning was bad, don't the heavier bits gradually move to the edges of the disk? :> |
15:36.24 | toruvinn | lol |
15:36.46 | toruvinn | SerajewelKS, wouldn't this make the drives defragment themselves over time nicely? ;-) |
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15:37.03 | toruvinn | well, at least free space |
15:37.07 | han-solo | the gravity is too strong there :} |
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15:37.14 | ggff8 | Contious backup over several media forms is the best way to preserve data. Even thats not technically %100 |
15:37.23 | jhutchins_wk | ggff8: Smithsonian or LoC just published a study on bitrot on writable disks. It's about 25%. |
15:37.29 | kevr | I'd like to install debian on a ton of usbs, but i need some packages installed beforehand, is there a standard guide for doing this? i.e. turn a chroot into a bootable debian install |
15:37.41 | jhutchins_wk | Then there's this: Zero data loss: https://github.com/philipl/pifs |
15:37.50 | SerajewelKS | toruvinn: the fastest way to defragment is mkfs, after that i always get 0% fragmentation reported |
15:37.53 | kevr | basically i want to make a small debian boot with distcc so i can live boot a distributed compile |
15:37.56 | jhutchins_wk | !preseed |
15:37.56 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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15:38.04 | petn-randall | kevr: Look into debootstrap, or what jhutchins_wk said. |
15:38.13 | teraflops | SerajewelKS: the absence of spinning is just as bad and heads get demagnetized eventually |
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15:38.21 | kevr | so i've already gotten like 5 debootstrapped chroots |
15:38.26 | kevr | that are ready to go |
15:38.28 | SerajewelKS | teraflops: i know, i was being silly |
15:38.34 | teraflops | ah ok |
15:38.35 | jhutchins_wk | kevr: I'd just develop a standard image and copy thay rather than running multiple installs though. |
15:38.46 | SerajewelKS | teraflops: i don't actually think that some bits are heavier than others :P |
15:38.47 | kevr | well exactly |
15:38.52 | kevr | jhutchins_wk: that's what i'm trying to do |
15:38.56 | teraflops | xD |
15:39.20 | SerajewelKS | kevr: are you trying to image multiple machines at once? |
15:39.22 | teraflops | SerajewelKS: sorry I misread, it's siesta time |
15:39.23 | kevr | jhutchins_wk: so i have a bunch of chroots, all of different architecture, and id like to somehow "package" up the chroot into a fully installed instance of debian |
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15:39.37 | jhutchins_wk | kevr: Create a chroot with debootstrap, customize, burn. |
15:39.41 | kevr | jhutchins_wk: nah, i want to live boot into a "golden" debian image that contains tools i need for networking things |
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15:39.50 | kevr | can i just burn it and itll boot no problem? |
15:39.51 | alpharray_ | Ok |
15:39.53 | alpharray_ | I am back |
15:40.06 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: okay. do you have the CD or DVD you installed debian from? |
15:40.15 | alpharray_ | Hm |
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15:40.18 | alpharray_ | Maybe I do |
15:40.24 | alpharray_ | But as I said before |
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15:40.29 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: if not, download the netinstall and burn it |
15:40.30 | alpharray_ | I installed deebian on a mac |
15:40.31 | jhutchins_wk | kevr: You might want to have a look at the pendrivelinux site for optimizing for iso. |
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15:40.37 | alpharray_ | It is goign to be a pain in the ass |
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15:40.51 | jhutchins_wk | Ahem: |
15:40.56 | jhutchins_wk | !lost root password |
15:40.57 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: basically you need to boot from the installer disc and use its rescue mode |
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15:41.06 | jhutchins_wk | !forgot root password |
15:41.06 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
15:41.13 | kevr | hm. |
15:41.13 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: Just do that. |
15:41.21 | BluesKaj | netinstall work very well, just don't choose the graphical install |
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15:41.25 | SerajewelKS | hah that's even easier |
15:41.32 | alpharray_ | Ok |
15:41.34 | SerajewelKS | i'm so used to using live CDs to repair stuff |
15:41.36 | kevr | it'd be neat if i could somehow turn a chroot into a bootable iso |
15:41.39 | kevr | so i can just dd the bitch |
15:41.49 | kevr | is that what pendrivelinux does? |
15:41.54 | userro | can anyone do that like whoever has access to the computer? |
15:41.58 | SerajewelKS | kevr: you might be interested in the live-tools package |
15:41.59 | jhutchins_wk | kevr: How do you think bootable isos happen? |
15:42.08 | SerajewelKS | userro: physical access is full access |
15:42.11 | kevr | live-tools sounds legit |
15:42.13 | kevr | lets see |
15:42.13 | jhutchins_wk | kevr: pendrivelinux has a lot of info and tools. |
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15:42.20 | kevr | alright, thanks guys |
15:42.23 | jhutchins_wk | !live |
15:42.23 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. Currently you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. |
15:42.23 | SerajewelKS | kevr: i've used live-tools to build several custom live environments |
15:42.24 | kevr | ill check out all these avenues |
15:42.25 | userro | damm |
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15:42.49 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: So I basically need to reinstall |
15:42.52 | alpharray_ | Right? |
15:42.56 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: nobody ever said that |
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15:43.17 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: what do I have to do then? |
15:43.23 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: what is the nature of this system exactly? |
15:43.28 | SerajewelKS | home computer? work server? |
15:43.43 | alpharray_ | home computer |
15:43.52 | SerajewelKS | okay so there isn't a deadline per se |
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15:44.08 | ggff8 | Alphaarray: you need to have a specific goal before fixing the issue. Is your goal to retreive data asap or get the system itself running |
15:44.12 | alpharray_ | I think I don't have the drive I installed it from |
15:44.15 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: if you boot from the installer disc, there will be a "rescue mode" option you can select to basically boot from the CD |
15:44.26 | SerajewelKS | i mean boot a live linux environment off of the CD, not your HDD |
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15:44.31 | alpharray_ | ggff8: My goal is to be able to get into my computer |
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15:44.44 | ggff8 | Then open the case |
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15:44.59 | ggff8 | See what im saying? |
15:45.07 | alpharray_ | Not really |
15:45.15 | SerajewelKS | he's being literal |
15:45.27 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: what are you doing at this moment on your computer |
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15:45.52 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: When booting my computer I get to chose if I want normal boot or advanced, if I hit advanced I have a recovery mode option, is that it? |
15:45.58 | n4dir | kevr: you might also want to look at refractasnapshot |
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15:46.06 | alpharray_ | I don't seem to have the original drive I installed my software from |
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15:46.20 | n4dir | which is not a debian package, but does the job well (easy too, and intuitive) |
15:46.29 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: It was disconnected I just connected it and now I am waiting for orders |
15:46.32 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: no. but you can download and burn the installer ISO using another computer? |
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15:46.43 | kevr | n4dir: thanks |
15:46.45 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: you can also do what jhutchins_wk suggested |
15:46.52 | alpharray_ | What was that? |
15:47.13 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: Why are you not following the instructions from dpkg? |
15:47.27 | alpharray_ | I don't know |
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15:48.19 | SerajewelKS | !forgot root password |
15:48.19 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
15:48.21 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: that ^ |
15:48.51 | userro | anyway to prevent that? |
15:49.04 | userro | to stop people from doing it? |
15:49.16 | jelly | userro: on which debian release? |
15:49.18 | SerajewelKS | userro: use full volume encryption |
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15:49.39 | userro | Jesse |
15:49.40 | alpharray_ | init=/bin/bash without the quotes, right? |
15:49.42 | jelly | yeah, FDE is a possible approach |
15:49.54 | SerajewelKS | that's more or less your only option. an unencrypted system which is physically in the hands of an adversary is as good as compromised. |
15:50.11 | SerajewelKS | this is not unique to linux |
15:50.24 | jhutchins_wk | userro: If someone has physical access to your system they can do whatever they want with it, one way or another. FDE is one possible exception, depending on how you implement it. |
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15:50.38 | SerajewelKS | there's a boot CD floating around that can reset the administrator password of any windows NT-based system |
15:50.58 | SerajewelKS | 2000/XP/vista at least, i haven't used it since vista so it may or may not work with 8/10 |
15:51.18 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: what does fsck mean? |
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15:51.25 | SerajewelKS | which is why i say physical access = full access. i should quality that i mean unrestricted physical access. |
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15:51.31 | userro | thanks, good to know |
15:51.35 | n4dir | SerajewelKS: ophcrack ? |
15:51.35 | SerajewelKS | obviously a kiosk at the mall is probably relatively safe if security is paying attention |
15:51.39 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: File system check. |
15:51.49 | alpharray_ | How is that done |
15:51.51 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: basically type "fsck /" once you get to a shell |
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15:52.02 | SerajewelKS | erm it's the device node isn't it |
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15:52.45 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: I think you can use the mountpoint if it's ro. |
15:52.48 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: type "cat /proc/mounts" and look for a line with a single "/" in the second field. there may be more than one. |
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15:53.04 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: interesting, TIL |
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15:53.20 | SerajewelKS | so it can. it's even documented in the manpage. imagine that. |
15:53.27 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: so nevermind, "fsck /" should work |
15:53.45 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: let me first see if I get a shell |
15:53.55 | alpharray_ | !forgot root password |
15:53.55 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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15:54.33 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: just do each thing one step at a time. don't focus on the next step, focus on the current step. |
15:54.46 | alpharray_ | Ok |
15:55.09 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: Thanks for your time, you can't imagine how much I appreciate this |
15:56.15 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: I am in the grup command line and nothing happens when I hit e |
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15:56.55 | SerajewelKS | you are looking at a screen that contains grub menu options? |
15:57.48 | SerajewelKS | or are you looking at a screen with a grub prompt "grub>" |
15:57.49 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: I am looking at a screen that has a grub command line link grub> |
15:57.57 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: then you went too far, reboot |
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15:58.06 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: basically as soon as you see the grub menu, press e |
15:58.12 | alpharray_ | ok |
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15:58.35 | SerajewelKS | you should get the grub> prompt again but it will be prefilled with a bunch of text |
15:58.49 | alpharray_ | Ok |
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15:59.01 | alpharray_ | I have written the init bash thing after pressing e |
15:59.07 | SerajewelKS | then press enter |
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15:59.17 | SerajewelKS | you should eventually get to a prompt that is a single # |
15:59.26 | alpharray_ | Pressing enter just adds a new line on that same file |
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15:59.55 | alpharray_ | !forgot root password |
15:59.56 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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16:00.53 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: I have F2 for a command line ESC to discard changes TAB lists completions F10 to boot |
16:01.01 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: F10 |
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16:01.36 | alpharray_ | crosses fingers |
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16:02.12 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: it seems to be booting as usual |
16:02.19 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: Cut and paste that to something, or use /msg dpkg forgot root password to get it in a separate window. |
16:02.33 | alpharray_ | Ok, sorry jhutchins_wk |
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16:02.45 | jelly | ,v znc |
16:02.46 | judd | Package: znc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.6.4-1+b1; stretch: 1.6.4-1+b1 |
16:02.48 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: No worries, just expanding our skills. |
16:02.54 | alpharray_ | :D |
16:02.55 | jhutchins_wk | s/our/your/ |
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16:03.18 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: it didn't work |
16:03.24 | alpharray_ | I get a GUI screen like always |
16:03.35 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: then the init= didn't take or you didn't add it right or something else |
16:04.02 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: I wrote exactly what it said |
16:04.17 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: Let me restart |
16:04.27 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: to explain what is going on, the init binary is the one that takes care of booting your system by mounting filesystems, starting services, etc. |
16:04.37 | n4dir | if you use a liveCD (or if you have dualboot, the other distro) you got the advantage of being able to copy and paste, etc. |
16:04.57 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: with init=/bin/sh we are telling the kernel to use a shell as the init process, which basically means that instead of starting your system's services, you get dropped to a root shell where you can do anything |
16:05.38 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: ok |
16:06.14 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: The frist thing I see in this file is setparams "Debian GNU/Linux" |
16:06.19 | alpharray_ | That is correct, right? |
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16:06.41 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: one sec let me look at my grub menu, it's been awhile since i've fiddled too much with the boot process |
16:07.04 | alpharray_ | alright, thanks once again |
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16:07.07 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: you're looking for the line that starts with "linux" |
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16:07.32 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: it should look something like "linux /boot/vmlinuz-VERSION root=/dev/SOMETHING" |
16:07.39 | alpharray_ | Yeah |
16:07.43 | alpharray_ | I have that line |
16:07.46 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: add the init clause to the end of that line |
16:07.50 | SerajewelKS | then press F10 |
16:08.00 | alpharray_ | I have a quiet argument at the end of that file |
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16:08.05 | alpharray_ | THat is correct, right? |
16:08.06 | SerajewelKS | that's okay |
16:08.25 | SerajewelKS | leave everything else alone, just add the init=/bin/sh clause and press F10 |
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16:08.41 | alpharray_ | Ok |
16:08.47 | alpharray_ | I did exactly what you said |
16:08.48 | SerajewelKS | you CAN remove the quiet clause if you want more noise from the kernel but it won't hurt anything to leave it there |
16:09.04 | alpharray_ | YES |
16:09.13 | alpharray_ | I have the # prompt |
16:09.26 | SerajewelKS | okay now run "fsck /" |
16:09.42 | alpharray_ | done |
16:09.50 | SerajewelKS | then let's continue the process |
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16:09.53 | SerajewelKS | !forgot root password |
16:09.53 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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16:10.13 | SerajewelKS | run the commands given in steps 3-6 |
16:10.18 | alpharray_ | ok |
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16:10.58 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I just installed pulseaudio for Firefox 52 but audio is only coming out the headphone jack, not the main speakers on my laptop when I pull out the headphones. This was not an issue with esound before. Any ideas on what I can check? |
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16:11.44 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: I have done everything |
16:11.53 | alpharray_ | Until 6 |
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16:12.07 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: fuck |
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16:12.11 | alpharray_ | I didn't see the passwd root |
16:12.20 | SerajewelKS | okay, start from step 3 again |
16:12.25 | alpharray_ | Yeah |
16:12.31 | SerajewelKS | you only did steps 3 and 5? |
16:12.34 | alpharray_ | This is going to be a long day |
16:12.40 | alpharray_ | and 6 |
16:12.46 | SerajewelKS | oh heh |
16:12.49 | SerajewelKS | yeah start over then |
16:12.56 | SerajewelKS | you can skip step 2 (fsck) this time though |
16:13.15 | alpharray_ | Will it hurt to do it again? |
16:13.19 | SerajewelKS | no |
16:13.28 | SerajewelKS | it won't help anything particularly either |
16:13.40 | ggff8 | Most days are long days when learning gnu/linux |
16:13.41 | SerajewelKS | unless your root filesystem got damaged in the last two minutes |
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16:14.14 | jhutchins_wk | Besides which, systemd always does a disk check. |
16:14.20 | SerajewelKS | fsck is just a filesystem integrity check. like "scan disk" on windows. |
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16:14.48 | alpharray_ | I think I did everything |
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16:14.56 | jhutchins_wk | I'm not sure why they included that in the procedure, but like you said, doesn't hurt. |
16:15.02 | alpharray_ | Lets see if it works |
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16:15.23 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: it makes sense to me that it's a good idea to do before remounting / rw |
16:15.28 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: Thank you so much for everything, once again |
16:15.31 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: np |
16:15.40 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: when you reboot to the GUI, DO NOT LOG IN as root |
16:15.42 | alpharray_ | I love freenode too much |
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16:15.52 | alpharray_ | ok |
16:16.02 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: first press CTRL+ALT+F1, which will take you away from the GUI and to a console login. enter the root credentials there instead. |
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16:16.09 | SerajewelKS | you will get a similar shell prompt ending in # |
16:16.16 | alpharray_ | Wait |
16:16.24 | alpharray_ | I will let you know when the GUI pops up |
16:16.32 | alpharray_ | So we are in the same page |
16:16.34 | alpharray_ | Here it is |
16:16.46 | alpharray_ | debian login: |
16:16.52 | alpharray_ | root creds right? |
16:16.52 | doubledutch | alpharray_: !enter |
16:16.55 | SerajewelKS | yup |
16:17.10 | alpharray_ | Ok |
16:17.12 | alpharray_ | I am in |
16:17.16 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
16:17.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
16:17.39 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: now let's do a few things to see what happened. run "ls /home". do you get a list of all of the users you expected to see? |
16:17.51 | alpharray_ | empty |
16:17.58 | SerajewelKS | ugh. so their data is gone then. |
16:18.12 | alpharray_ | Is their a way to get it back? |
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16:18.16 | alpharray_ | there* |
16:18.22 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: restore backups |
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16:18.34 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: so, that is a no |
16:18.42 | ggff8 | We have come full circle... |
16:18.45 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: run "cat /etc/passwd". there's going to be a lot of system users in there, but do you see any entries for any of your users? |
16:18.47 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: cause debian does not keep backups by default, does it? |
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16:19.10 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: there are ways to undelete things on ext* filesystems sometimes, but i'm not aware of the current methods for doing so |
16:19.21 | alpharray_ | none of my users |
16:19.31 | alpharray_ | don't worry |
16:19.40 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: so here we have to figure out what your goal is. do you want to try to recover any data? |
16:19.43 | alpharray_ | I will just asume data is lost |
16:19.52 | SerajewelKS | or do you just want to recreate your users and get back into your system? |
16:20.02 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: be honest, is it going to be very hard? |
16:20.16 | SerajewelKS | honestly? i don't know. when i do stuff like this i restore my backups. ;) |
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16:20.29 | alpharray_ | the only thing I would like to get back would be my password manager |
16:20.44 | alpharray_ | Oh damn, I just figured this has costs me 100$... |
16:20.57 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: so here's the trick. the more we use the system while / is mounted read-write, the more likely that your deleted data is being overwritten. |
16:21.12 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: so if you want to recover anything, the first step is to power the machine down ASAP |
16:21.18 | SerajewelKS | "poweroff" in your root shell |
16:21.19 | alpharray_ | nah |
16:21.21 | alpharray_ | don't worry |
16:21.32 | alpharray_ | I will keep on with my life |
16:21.41 | alpharray_ | should I just create a new user? |
16:21.42 | SerajewelKS | okay. then you can use the "adduser" utility to create yourself a new user. |
16:21.58 | SerajewelKS | so run "adduser NAME" where NAME is the name of this user you want to create |
16:22.05 | alpharray_ | yeah |
16:22.22 | alpharray_ | should I add the user to the sudoers group? |
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16:22.39 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: yes. "adduser NAME sudoers" |
16:22.46 | ggff8 | Thats up to you |
16:22.56 | ggff8 | Having root access didnt work out for you so well last time |
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16:23.16 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: once that is done, you should be good to log into the GUI again. type "exit" to leave the shell, and ALT+F7 or ALT+F8 to get back to the GUI. |
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16:23.26 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: then NEVER EVER do administration tasks using the GUI ever again |
16:23.33 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: and start taking backups tonight |
16:23.42 | alpharray_ | Alright |
16:23.45 | Exchizz0r | Hi guys. I just updated my 3.2 kernel (from stable repo) to 4.9 (from testing) on my debian wheezy box. Everything was working with 3.2 kernel. After I've installed 4.9, non of my networking interfaces are available. ifconfig -a shows no interfaces. I tried to google, but it seems like nobody else had this problem(or maybe I'm just a bad googler). I know I don't share a lot of info, but I'm not sure what information to share. Th |
16:23.49 | alpharray_ | Let me get my system back on its feet |
16:23.56 | alpharray_ | I will let you know how I am doing |
16:24.13 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: dpkg has sent you a URL to some useful info for admins. |
16:24.17 | alpharray_ | Thanks for everything once again, if there is anything I can do for you (apart from taking backups) just let me know |
16:24.19 | Exchizz0r | could it be that kernel 4.9 depends on some systemd stuff ? |
16:24.51 | alpharray_ | Thanks jhutchins_wk |
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16:25.15 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r: lspci? |
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16:25.30 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r: If you boot back to 3.2 are they there? |
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16:25.36 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS: when you mean never to do administrator tasks from the GUI, what about the terminal on the GUI, can I do them from there? |
16:25.50 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: yes, that's what i do |
16:25.57 | alpharray_ | Ok |
16:26.02 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r: Did you install firmware for NICs in 3.2? |
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16:26.08 | alpharray_ | Let me get my life back on its feet |
16:26.11 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: i mean don't use fancy GUI tools that manage your system. sometimes they are useful. sometimes they do bad things. |
16:26.16 | alpharray_ | I will come back once the major stuff is done |
16:26.32 | alpharray_ | Yeah, I learned that the hard way |
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16:26.43 | alpharray_ | THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE!!! |
16:26.47 | SerajewelKS | alpharray_: that's not to say you can't make a small typo in a root shell and hose your system, too. the most important thing you should take away is not necessarily the stuff about GUI tools. the thing you should focus on is the lack of backups. |
16:27.00 | SerajewelKS | too late :< |
16:27.00 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: Also, when someone's helping you on irc, make sure you have some idea what the commands they suggest are supposed to do. Look up the man page if you need to. |
16:27.09 | Exchizz0r | jhutchins_wk: well acturally, I didn't install the box, the guy before my did that, so I don't know. Do you know where I can check it ? |
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16:27.23 | Exchizz0r | JuaN-CruZ: if I boot back into 3.2 then yes, everything works :> |
16:27.34 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r: Start with booting to 3.2 and verifying that they work. |
16:27.39 | Exchizz0r | oh sorry JuaN-CruZ n |
16:27.55 | Exchizz0r | jhutchins_wk: it works in 3.2 :> |
16:27.58 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r: No guarantee, but the first recovery step. |
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16:28.32 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r: Ok, next we do lspci -nn and look at the hardware. Do we need firmware for it? We can ask judd. |
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16:28.50 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r: You can also do dmesg | grep firmware |
16:28.57 | SerajewelKS | running dmesg after boot might also give you some clues about what the kernel thinks of your hardware |
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16:30.13 | Exchizz0r | jhutchins_wk: dmesg | grep firmware does not return anything with kernel 3.2 |
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16:30.32 | Exchizz0r | I try booting back into 4.9 |
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16:31.58 | jhutchins_wk | I've seen a lot of driver questions after people install 4.9. It's a pretty big jump. I'm reluctant to try it because I use the Nvidia drivers and I don't know how much of the toolchain needs to be pulled from backports. |
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16:33.06 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: i've had no problems with 4.9 + nvidia on stable |
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16:34.23 | jhutchins_wk | nkuttler: How much of dkms/build essential did you have to update? |
16:34.46 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: no idea really, the box is running stretch now |
16:34.57 | nkuttler | but i can't remember having to do anything special |
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16:35.36 | jhutchins_wk | I just upgraded jessie to 64b. Crossgrade didn't go well, too much 32b left. |
16:35.47 | nkuttler | heh |
16:36.01 | jhutchins_wk | Old homedir had something that prevented lightdm from loading. |
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16:38.32 | Exchizz0r_ | lspci -nn does show my two Ethernet controllers :/ |
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16:39.03 | Exchizz0r_ | actually 3.2 and 4.9 shows the exact same - no diff :/ |
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16:40.36 | Exchizz0r_ | it did however give me the names of my ethernet controllers, https://unixblogger.com/2016/08/11/how-to-get-your-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-working-updated-guide/ |
16:40.43 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: So pretty definitively you don't have 4.9 drivers for them. |
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16:40.58 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: thanks man, I will google some more, thanks again :) |
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16:41.18 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: We can probably help, paste just the line for the controller from lspci -nn |
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16:41.32 | Exchizz0r_ | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 0c) |
16:41.36 | Exchizz0r_ | thanks jhutchins_wk :) |
16:42.03 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
16:42.04 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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16:42.34 | jhutchins_wk | ,v r8169 |
16:42.36 | judd | No package named 'r8169' was found in amd64. |
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16:42.45 | jhutchins_wk | Bah |
16:42.50 | jhutchins_wk | !r8169 |
16:42.50 | dpkg | r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver. |
16:43.25 | jhutchins_wk | It would be nice if it told us what package it was in. Should be in the kernel I think. |
16:43.49 | nkuttler | kernel, yeah |
16:44.02 | Exchizz0r_ | so I need to modprobe it or ? |
16:44.15 | jhutchins_wk | ,v firmware-realtek |
16:44.16 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2 |
16:44.39 | nkuttler | Exchizz0r_: usually the kernel should do that automatically. do you have the firmware installed? |
16:44.54 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: I would suggest installing that package from backports. |
16:45.09 | Exchizz0r_ | nkuttler: alright. I guess so because it's working with kernel 3.2 and not kernel 4.9 :/ |
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16:46.20 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: where do I find that package ? since my box is not online when I boot 4.9, I guess I have to download it and then boot into 4.9 ? |
16:47.00 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: You should be able to install it in 3.2. |
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16:47.28 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: You probably want to check the other card too, I think that one is wireless. |
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16:47.47 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: hm, it should be wireless |
16:48.07 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: Will getting just that one working solve your problem? |
16:48.12 | Exchizz0r_ | it should not sorry * |
16:48.32 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: Ah, gigabit ethernet. |
16:48.41 | Exchizz0r_ | yes, just fixing that will solve my problem :> |
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16:49.03 | jhutchins_wk | Fire away then. |
16:49.34 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: You could have found this by careful reading of the output from dmesg (dmesg | less), it would have complained about the firmware. |
16:50.12 | Exchizz0r_ | hm, I think I did that, but maybe not carefully enough. what kind of error would show up ? |
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16:54.48 | Exchizz0r_ | ahhh now I'm getting somewhere jhutchins_wk !! I tried to boot info 4.9 and run "modprobe r8169" and then they come up :D |
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16:55.07 | jhutchins_wk | something like "unable to find firmware" |
16:55.10 | Exchizz0r_ | sooo, now my question is, why the ?!?! doesn't that load by itself ? |
16:55.19 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: seems logic, thanks :> |
16:55.32 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: Are they configured in /etc/interfaces or Network Manager? |
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16:57.45 | Exchizz0r_ | hmm, when I tri to get an ip address(dhclient -v ) it then complains "failed to load rtl_nic/rt18168g-2.fw(-2)", but it does receive an ip, and networking works :s ? |
16:58.29 | Exchizz0r_ | well, I don't wanna waste more of your time jhutchins_wk :> thanks ! |
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17:06.01 | JyZyXEL | does Debians Qemu have Virgil 3D support compiled in? |
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17:09.49 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: I don't think so |
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17:10.16 | ChmEarl | JyZyXEL, browse the rules file here: https://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-qemu/qemu.git |
17:10.16 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: would it be a hack to put r8169 into /etc/modules ? it doesn't load during startup :/ If I load it in manually it works perfectly |
17:10.20 | JyZyXEL | there is a package called 'virglrenderer' |
17:11.13 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: It shouldn't be necessary. The networking target should start an LSB job to bring up the network, that should load the module. |
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17:11.20 | JyZyXEL | ChmEarl: couldn't find it |
17:11.37 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: ja okay, odd it's not working then :/ |
17:12.06 | Exaeta | How do I properly set up gitolite read only access for everyone using the git protocol? I can't use http because I already have a web server |
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17:12.11 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: I asked earlier where it was configured, if it's in /etc/network/interfaces with the auto tag it should come up at boot. |
17:12.22 | alpharray_ | Hey |
17:12.23 | jhutchins_wk | !interfaces |
17:12.23 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
17:12.44 | alpharray_ | jhutchins_wk: how can I go into server mode when in the GUI login screen? |
17:12.54 | alpharray_ | I was told before but I forgot |
17:12.57 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: oh sorry, I didn't see that. yes it's configued in /etc/network/interfaces, like I said before, with 3.2 it works :) |
17:13.01 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: You mean the CLI console? |
17:13.06 | alpharray_ | Yes |
17:13.51 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: There might be something fishy in your module config then. I'm not real current on how that's configured. Lots of stuff in .d/ |
17:14.08 | jhutchins_wk | alpharray_: Either launch a terminal or Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
17:14.16 | jhutchins_wk | !modules |
17:14.16 | dpkg | from memory, module is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded. Ask me about <modprobe>. To compile modules available in Debian module source packages, ask me about <dkms>, <module-assistant>. http://wiki.debian.org/Modules |
17:14.37 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: Again, careful reading of dmesg | less can help. |
17:14.49 | jhutchins_wk | !modprobe |
17:14.50 | dpkg | Add module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo"; Define module options: "man modprobe.conf", "echo options foo bar=baz qux=quux >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf". See also: "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist>. |
17:15.20 | Exchizz0r_ | yes, alright I'll look into it :> thanks |
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17:16.42 | alpharray_ | jhutchins_wk: great, how do I go back to GUI mode though |
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17:17.45 | Reception|away | Hi. I'd like to know how to automatically send an attachment to an email every week using normal Debian mail |
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17:19.48 | petn-randall | Reception|away: At which part are you stuck? |
17:20.07 | Reception|away | most of it. I'm really inexperienced with the mail module. |
17:20.17 | Reception|away | I don't know how to attach the file to the mail when it gets sent |
17:20.35 | Reception|away | for example file in directory test/attachement.php needs to be sent to an email every week automatically |
17:20.38 | jelly | Reception|away: use mailx from heirloom-mailx, or mutt |
17:20.59 | Reception|away | jelly: ok |
17:21.26 | jelly | assuming you need a command line tool. |
17:21.31 | petn-randall | Reception|away: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17359/how-do-i-send-a-file-as-an-email-attachment-using-linux-command-line |
17:21.43 | petn-randall | Reception|away: It assumes you already have a working MTA set up on your machine, though. |
17:21.44 | jelly | if you need a php implementation, no idea |
17:21.48 | Reception|away | Thanks. I do |
17:22.59 | jelly | msmtp-mta can be appropriate for a send-only MTA possibly with auth. Or dma in case one also wants some light local delivery |
17:23.29 | phogg | Reception|away: If you need to send an attachment in PHP your choices are poor. You need a library that actually understands email. There are some that kind of do it, but real multipart MIME is beyond any I've found. |
17:24.04 | Reception|away | phogg: php was an example. I don't know what type of file I will be sending yet. |
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17:24.10 | Reception|away | Thank you everyone for your help |
17:24.24 | phogg | Reception|away: you're sending a PHP file? Not generating an email via PHP? |
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17:24.53 | JyZyXEL | teraflops: found the infos: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813658 |
17:24.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/813658 in qemu (open, confirmed): «Please enable virgl support»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-02-04; last modified: 2017-01-23. |
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17:28.15 | jelly | Reception|away: one of my server-side report scripts ends with: mutt -e 'set autoedit' -e 'set abort_unmodified=no' -H "$mail" -i "$mail" -a "$attachment" < /dev/null |
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17:28.47 | jelly | ($mail contains the whole pregenerated message including headers at that point) |
17:31.13 | SerajewelKS | is there a reasonably-updated list somewhere of USB wireless networking hardware that works well with debian for the purposes of running an access point? |
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17:31.52 | SerajewelKS | anything from your standard dongles to devices with full antennae |
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17:36.15 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Not really. The databases that are out there rely on users reporting success, most people quit once they get it working and never report it. |
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17:36.45 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Your chances are pretty good these days, especially with well established brands. |
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17:40.07 | Reception123 | I also need this email to be sent as "noreply" and noreply needs to be authenticated through the actual mail server (this is getting sent from another server) |
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17:40.10 | Reception123 | Could anyone please help? |
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17:40.56 | jelly | Reception123: if you use mutt, you can set up sending via smtp with auth there. |
17:41.20 | jelly | set smtp_url=smtp://user:pass@server/ |
17:41.20 | Reception123 | unfortunately my server has mailx only, and I can't currently get mutt |
17:41.28 | Reception123 | does that work with mailx as well? |
17:41.35 | jelly | definitely not |
17:41.47 | Reception123 | then what could I do for mailx? |
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17:41.50 | embrik | can't get my wireless intel 4965 card to work in jessie (hp 6910p laptop). I use wicd networkmanager, wlan0 show in iwconfig |
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17:42.01 | jelly | Reception123: depends on which mailx implementation it is |
17:42.44 | jelly | Reception123: you'll probably need to install something that _can_ send using smtp auth |
17:42.58 | Reception123 | would postfix count? |
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17:43.36 | jelly | probably, postfix is a full-fledged MTA |
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17:44.40 | jelly | doesn't have a ready recipe for postfix sending outbound via smtp auth |
17:45.03 | Reception123 | jelly: would you have a link to a guide / forum? |
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17:46.03 | jelly | none that I can recommend and vouch it's gonna work. Ask in #postfix if you get no answers here |
17:46.39 | Reception123 | jelly: Ok. Thanks |
17:46.55 | jelly | and then you'll have to explain why you're not going to use a null mailer MTA like msmtp because that's what #postfix people are going to ask first, or second |
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17:48.22 | jelly | Reception123: however if you have a fresh enough heirloom-mailx, it will have smtp-auth support of its own. man mailx |
17:49.43 | Reception123 | I've tried -V as it says to see the version but apparently it's an invalid option |
17:50.10 | jelly | Reception123: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mailx)) |
17:50.41 | Reception123 | bsd-mailx: /usr/bin/bsd-mailx |
17:50.52 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: i just know that whenever i buy wireless hardware, i always manage to get one with some unsupported edge case or other weird issue |
17:51.00 | jelly | so it's a different mailx implementation |
17:51.32 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: the last wireless router (i'm using it as an AP) that i purchased had really good reviews. about once a month the wireless radio completely stops working, requiring a power cycle to correct. |
17:51.38 | Reception123 | This is more complicated than I was imagining. |
17:52.23 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: it happens often enough that my wife knows where the power button is and corrects it herself when i'm not at home |
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17:58.57 | nikitasius | yesterday installed 4.9 on my 4.5 and aptitude decided to remove `libuuid-perl`.. after installation installed manually `libuuid-perl`. Strange. |
17:59.16 | nikitasius | same version from stable |
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18:02.05 | Exaeta | Greetings, I have a C++ project, how do I set up a build system so I can make a .deb file and a repository? |
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18:04.58 | Wulf | Exaeta: jenkins, debian/ and reprepro |
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18:12.10 | Exaeta | Ok, how do I build a debian package, without running any special commands? I want to specify the exact files used and I don't want to involve the debian build system |
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18:12.35 | Exaeta | like, I want to create a directory with the files, then wrap them into a .deb or something like that |
18:13.10 | Exaeta | dpkg-buildpoackage seems to do a lot more than I need |
18:13.29 | somiaj | Exaeta: why not use the build system, you should really build the package, not build it and then just copy the binaries into the package. |
18:13.42 | somiaj | Exaeta: read the debian new matainers guide, or #packaging on irc.oftc.net is useful too |
18:13.58 | Exaeta | because it's a header only library and there is nothing to build |
18:14.27 | somiaj | you may have an XY problem going on? Why do you need just the header in a package and not the libary as well? |
18:14.39 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: Just to follow up. I added r8169 to initramfs(using dracut), and then it got online. However tun (used for openvpn) wasn't loaded, so I added that to the initramfs aswell. It did the track and box is running again.. I do kinda feel like it was a bad solution... |
18:14.59 | Exaeta | somiaj: because it is a header only library. there is no .so file. |
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18:16.13 | renn0xtk9 | got a brand new fresh machine and want to install kde neon on it (ubuntu based) is it recommende to install it in UEFI or in bios mode ? |
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18:16.22 | Exaeta | somiaj: header only libraries are quite common in C++ |
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18:17.07 | jhutchins_wk | Exaeta: Interesting. systemd does try to do some network things like check time, but I would expect that to be post-initramfs. |
18:17.15 | jhutchins_wk | Exaeta: Oops. |
18:17.17 | Wulf | Exaeta: dpkg-deb -b. But that's the wrong approach. |
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18:17.26 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: ^ |
18:17.39 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: It sounds like a good solution. |
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18:18.10 | jhutchins_wk | Exchizz0r_: If the drivers and firmware had been present when you upgraded the kernel, it probably would have incorporated them into the new initramfs. |
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18:18.44 | Exaeta | Wulf is there a better approach to make a .deb file that will copy include/myproject into /usr/include ? |
18:18.59 | Exchizz0r_ | jhutchins_wk: I would say it was present, but yeeh, I don't know :> anyways, I'm glad you think it's a good solution : b thans for your time |
18:19.14 | Wulf | Exaeta: yes, setup a proper debian/ build system |
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18:19.27 | Exchizz0r_ | Have a nice day jhutchins_wk :> |
18:19.31 | Wulf | Exaeta: if you use cmake or autocrap tools, it shouldn't be too hard |
18:21.36 | Exaeta | Wulf: no, it's just a directory with a README and include/ folder with sources. there is not a build system attached to it. |
18:21.52 | Wulf | Exaeta: what kind of nonsense c++ lib is that? |
18:22.00 | Wulf | Exaeta: why is there no actual code? |
18:22.17 | Exaeta | Wulf: templates have to go in header files |
18:22.25 | Exaeta | and there is no code that can go in source files |
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18:22.33 | Exaeta | so there are no source files |
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18:23.22 | Wulf | Exaeta: how about a .pc file? |
18:23.47 | Exaeta | what is that? |
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18:23.54 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if there are any decent alternatives to autotools, every time i try to learn them i give up |
18:24.00 | Psy-Q | there is a massive performance degradation between debian 8 and 9 when using nvidia drivers for me :( 30% less performance and stuttering in games. i did loads of testing and benchmarking: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Eh0Al3fYFCMhrSR7N-tu0oC5acqkPBhCKdKi5ppFbXw/edit?usp=sharing |
18:24.13 | Wulf | Exaeta: pkgconfig |
18:24.16 | Psy-Q | how could i get to the bottom of this issue? |
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18:24.22 | Wulf | Exaeta: very useful tool |
18:24.45 | Exaeta | ok, so I put this in myproj/.pc or myproj/debian/.pc? |
18:25.09 | Wulf | Exaeta: no, this goes into a special directory |
18:25.21 | Wulf | /usr/share/pkgconfig/inputproto.pc |
18:25.23 | Wulf | etc... |
18:25.43 | somiaj | Exaeta: #packaging on irc.oftc.net would be good help, also if it is common can you find an example of a source package in debian that does a header only libary, then model off of that. |
18:25.57 | Brigo | Psy-Q, it looks like a driver problem, did you try asking nvidia? |
18:26.09 | Wulf | Exaeta: or maybe /usr/lib or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
18:26.21 | Wulf | Exaeta: your build system should take care of the correct path |
18:26.41 | Wulf | Exaeta: or what happens when one day someone decides that /usr/include is the wrong place for includes? |
18:26.46 | Psy-Q | Brigo: yes, no answer so far. but i do know that other people with the same PC specs (Z77 mobo and i5 3570K) have the same issue |
18:26.48 | Wulf | Exaeta: your package will break. |
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18:27.16 | Psy-Q | Brigo: yet when i use a backported 4.9 kernel and the latest nvidia driver on debian 8, it's fast and smooth in most games (except Mad Max, but that has its own problems) |
18:27.54 | Brigo | Psy-Q, the 6th line? |
18:27.57 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
18:27.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1) |
18:28.18 | Psy-Q | the smoothest combo is ubuntu 16.10, 4.8 kernel, outdated nvidia 367.57 driver |
18:28.36 | Psy-Q | Brigo: yes, that's the one. Tomb Raider at least gives almost the same benchmark numbers as on ubuntu with the old driver |
18:28.47 | jhutchins_wk | Psy-Q: Compare the 3.16 kernel with the 4.9 in jessie. |
18:29.20 | Exaeta | Wulf: well, I still don't know what files to create where, I guess I want to use PREFIX for that? Oftc seems to be afk |
18:29.28 | jhutchins_wk | Psy-Q: Obviously if there's regression in the drivers from Nvida, you'd have to ask them about it. |
18:29.31 | Psy-Q | jhutchins_wk: OK, yes, that's still a blank spot in my benchamrks |
18:29.31 | Brigo | Psy-Q, what about the 5th line? |
18:29.49 | Exaeta | where can I find an example package to look at? |
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18:29.56 | Psy-Q | Brigo, jhutchins_wk: i'll work on filling in the 5th line in that case :) haven't benched that yet |
18:30.14 | Psy-Q | i have it all on a separate disk with clean installs of all the distros so it's a bit of a pain to reboot into that, but i'll check this now |
18:30.51 | jhutchins_wk | I think we have some issues that have been raised with 4.9. |
18:31.20 | jhutchins_wk | I seem to remember a kernel a few months ago that was definitely a regression. |
18:31.40 | jhutchins_wk | Latest is not always greatest. |
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18:33.02 | somiaj | Exaeta: I'm unsure, but since you say this is common in c++, look for a common libary in the debian packages. |
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18:35.36 | jhutchins_wk | Psy-Q: BTW Excellent work testing and documenting. You might want to post to #debian-next on oftc.net too. |
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18:44.48 | pmart | I've created a luks encrypted ext4 filesystem on my thumb drive which i intend to use with multiple systems. how do I deal with filesystem permissions? I can chown root directory of filesystem to my current user (and I presume UID is going to be stored in the filesystem structures). But then I might mount it on other system which has different users/uids. |
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18:46.03 | pmart | so file permissions seem sort of excessive in case of encrypted filesystems with data |
18:47.02 | jhutchins_wk | pmart: Would it make sense to use NTFS and mount it in a way that squashes permissions and owners? |
18:47.35 | jhutchins_wk | pmart: For all I know you can do that with mount.ext? too. |
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18:48.38 | pmart | jhutchins_wk, I'd rather avoid ntfs as it's not native to linux and i don't need win compatibility |
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18:49.44 | pmart | mount.ext? |
18:52.03 | rattking | I think typically you would mount with the options '-o uid= gid=' filled out to be the uig and gid of the user you want to own the files |
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18:54.30 | pmart | rattking, this options are available for non-native filesystems. besides I would like to mount from gui (udisks) without any special setup. |
18:56.00 | jhutchins_wk | pmart: mount.ext[2|3|4] |
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18:56.30 | jhutchins_wk | pmart: What I mean is that ext could very well have mount options for forcing owner/permissions. |
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18:57.06 | jhutchins_wk | pmart: It's just more common to see those options discussed in conjunction with cifs or ntfs. |
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18:57.48 | jhutchins_wk | pmart: rattking seems to think that's possible too. |
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19:01.19 | pmart | jhutchins_wk, no these options are only available with foreign (often lacking own permission system) filesystems |
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19:08.57 | sleepster | is there a way to see the version numbers on upgrade? |
19:09.01 | sleepster | I checked man apt-get |
19:09.05 | sleepster | but doesn't list any way to do this |
19:09.13 | sleepster | I just want to see the old version -> new version |
19:09.24 | somiaj | sleepster: apt-cache policy packagename |
19:09.26 | greycat | You mean *before* it actually unpacks them, or what? |
19:09.52 | somiaj | sleepster: I don't know of a way for apt to list all these version changes in the upgrade, but atp-listchanges should list some of the major changes |
19:10.19 | zykotick9 | sleepster: you might also be interested in "apt-cache madison foo" output |
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19:11.29 | sleepster | thanks somiaj zykotick9 |
19:11.47 | sleepster | greycat: yeah :) so when I do: apt-get upgrade, I get a list of all the packages that need to be updated |
19:11.59 | sleepster | I would like to see it in the format of old version -> new version |
19:12.17 | greycat | Oh, just the NAMES? That's easy. -u. You always always use -u. |
19:12.41 | zykotick9 | sleepster: "apt list --upgradable" might be of interest? |
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19:13.21 | sleepster | zykotick9: ah yes |
19:13.26 | sleepster | zykotick9: perfect.. thanks |
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19:14.41 | greycat | wonders why -u is not documented in either apt-get(8) or apt(8) |
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19:16.03 | greycat | confirms that "apt list -u" seems like a good answer, at least on stretch (didn't test on jessie) |
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19:16.52 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Nope. |
19:17.31 | jhutchins_wk | u is not known. |
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19:18.29 | greycat | Well, it's known in stretch :) |
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19:22.02 | pmart | sleepster, apt upgrade -V |
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19:30.32 | Exagone313 | Hi, I was updating debian (testing) in screen (though ssh) and the terminal inside screen is bugged, can't use up/down/tab/^C or any key normally. In fact I went in shell to "examine the situation" on update to new sshd config, and it fucked up when I ^Z in vim in that shell. So what to do now? the shell out of screen (ctrl+a d) has no problem. I killed the bash process but I still have the issue on the menu and I can't select the option to keep the version |
19:30.32 | Exagone313 | installed. Thanks for your help. |
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19:31.27 | greycat | "fg" to bring the suspended vim back to foreground |
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19:32.22 | greycat | Ctrl-J s t t y SPACE s a n e Ctrl-J to attempt to restore terminal sanity next time that happens. |
19:32.58 | greycat | If you killed the bash that you were supposed to type "fg" in, then you can't bring vim back. |
19:33.46 | greycat | If that is the case, your best bet is to kill it with -TERM, then un-suspend it by killing it again with -CONT, and hope it can die cleanly. |
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19:36.10 | Exagone313 | greycat: I don't want to bring vim back |
19:36.15 | Exagone313 | I quitted vim anyway |
19:36.26 | Exagone313 | fg worked, did :wq, but couldn't do ^D |
19:36.32 | georgia | Hey everybloody. You guys know anything about configuring synapse application launcher? I want to point it to my dictionary server since it can't find it. |
19:36.35 | Exagone313 | so I killed that bash |
19:36.51 | jhutchins_wk | Exagone313: What about exit? Logout? |
19:36.54 | georgia | wow, greycat deserves an award. |
19:37.00 | Exagone313 | Wait, I send you a screen |
19:37.07 | georgia | for volunteering so much time |
19:37.08 | Exagone313 | where can I? |
19:37.44 | jhutchins_wk | georgia: This isn't all he does for the community by any means, he's a serious contributor. |
19:37.50 | Brigo | Exagone313, for an image you can use http://picpaste.com/ |
19:38.18 | georgia | I didn't mean to imply he wasn't. they aren't mutually exclusive. |
19:38.23 | jhutchins_wk | Exagone313: Control key sequences are one of the most common things to get messed up. |
19:38.46 | jhutchins_wk | georgia: Yeah, just agreeing with you. |
19:39.11 | georgia | kay. :P |
19:39.27 | Exagone313 | https://ewd.xyz/17-03-15-20-31-33-473148830.png |
19:40.18 | georgia | So I went to synapse's config file and it just reads the preferences I made with the graphical preferences. Ie, which plugins are enabled. |
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19:41.57 | n-iCe | is it possible to avoid debian at boot show a open terminal? |
19:42.02 | n-iCe | sometimes even a chrome tab |
19:42.04 | Exagone313 | greycat: ctrl+j stty sane ctrl+j didnt work |
19:42.54 | greycat | "reset" sometimes works, or if it's a VT100 family terminal emulator, echo Ctrl-V ESC c is a hard reset. Otherwise, just destroy the terminal and start over. |
19:43.22 | Exagone313 | what if I kill that process: /bin/bash /usr/bin/ucf --three-way --debconf-ok --sum-file /usr/share/openssh/sshd_config.md5sum /tmp/filefoETEI /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
19:43.23 | georgia | you should have a rescue mode in your grub options |
19:43.54 | Exagone313 | if apt stops with an error that would be great |
19:45.01 | georgia | by default the rescue shell is ash. is that what you mean by avoiding debian? |
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19:46.30 | georgia | without debian all you have is a kernel. If you want a terminal you need glibc and a shell |
19:46.38 | somiaj | georgia: are you sure it isn't dash? |
19:46.50 | georgia | I think you're right |
19:46.57 | georgia | I'm thinking of the grub rescue shell |
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19:47.13 | somiaj | georgia: busybox I think is what that is, or maybe that is the systemd shell, forget that. |
19:47.18 | greycat | if you're in an initramfs environment, the shell is probably busybox sh |
19:47.31 | somiaj | in terms of a rescue system, I prefer a live system or even the debian installer as a rescue medium over the rescue mode in grub. |
19:47.41 | georgia | yeah, it's busybox. I've dabbled in that area of needing rescueing |
19:47.45 | georgia | Grml is great |
19:47.52 | georgia | it's based on debian. |
19:48.15 | Exagone313 | greycat: I killed the other shell with ucf opened, and also another one, and screen still shows the same thing lol, and apt-get (dist-upgrade) process is still there, not sure what to do, do I kill apt-get? |
19:48.21 | n4dir | grml was last released? 4 years ago? |
19:48.28 | jelly | georgia: shame one has to use daily sid/testing snapshots |
19:48.40 | jelly | n4dir: 3 |
19:48.54 | n4dir | ah, i guess that's still ok (and sure enough i liked it) |
19:48.56 | Exagone313 | or dpkg |
19:49.07 | georgia | well if he wanted bleeding edge he wouldn't use debian :P |
19:49.08 | jelly | looks they may have something out this year |
19:49.13 | Exagone313 | oh, I found a perl script running, should be it |
19:49.26 | n4dir | georgia: it is based on sid, so ... |
19:49.33 | jelly | georgia: but 2014.11 is missing features from _jessie_ |
19:49.35 | georgia | oh? I didn't know that. |
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19:49.46 | jelly | /topic #grml |
19:50.14 | georgia | !grml |
19:50.15 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
19:50.25 | Exagone313 | ok, nice, it worked as expected, I can recover from it now |
19:50.26 | georgia | woah, it worked! neat! |
19:50.30 | jelly | (and 2014.11 was unbootable on hp servers, so it was 2014.03 or dailies) |
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19:56.08 | georgia | should i be concerned that both icedove and firefox have locks with broken symlinks? |
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19:59.55 | jhutchins_wk | It seems like rescue modes, single user, and failed boot are pretty inconsistent they may be RO, they may be in initramfs instead of the real filesystem. I like the init=/bin/bash solution. |
20:00.33 | jhutchins_wk | georgia: I would worry about fixing those from within the repaired system. |
20:00.58 | georgia | what repaired system? this is my main system |
20:01.04 | darkstalker | hi, got a problem. got debian jessie installed on a ramnode vps, and can't use systectl anymore. it always fails with 'failed to get dbus connection: no such file or directory' |
20:01.58 | darkstalker | can't properly install dbus because it fails on the configure phase (invokes systemctl) |
20:02.30 | darkstalker | tried launching it manually but not recognized by systemctl.. how i fix this? |
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20:18.33 | jhutchins_wk | darkstalker: You probably don't have full hardware emulation. Any idea what hypervisor they're running? |
20:18.43 | darkstalker | openvz |
20:18.59 | darkstalker | it used to work fine, just today discovered this |
20:19.19 | jhutchins_wk | darkstalker: Dunno then, contact the provider. |
20:19.40 | darkstalker | how is this related to having hw emulation? |
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20:20.28 | jhutchins_wk | darkstalker: Utilities that interact with hardware (dbus, systemctl) often behave strangely if the emulation is not quite right. |
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20:22.00 | jhutchins_wk | darkstalker: On vmware the software usually can't tell it's on a VM, some of the other hypervisors "leak" or don't even try for full emulation. |
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20:24.47 | endre_ | hi |
20:25.15 | endre_ | anybody who could help me with ARP? |
20:25.35 | endre_ | i have to print out ARP table and identify my mobile and this IP address |
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20:31.07 | TomTomTosch | you run the arp command to print the arp table. ^^ |
20:31.23 | greycat | arp -a |
20:31.44 | greycat | I don't know how that interacts with non-ethernet networks, like wifi. |
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21:01.36 | alpharray_ | SerajewelKS, I am back on my feet once again |
21:02.02 | alpharray_ | Now I just need to work on getting my data back, but that is a whole different story |
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21:02.24 | alpharray_ | Thanks! |
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21:13.52 | mandeep | is libssl-dev the only package needed for openssl headers? |
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21:30.45 | kirillow | im trying to install debian on a prime x370 pro with ryzen 7 and a rx460 GPU. the USB iso boots and it asks me to chose between graphical install or install. No matter what I click the screen immediately turns black and there arent any error messages being displayed (nothing is displayed) |
21:31.35 | kirillow | Any ideas? |
21:31.42 | ghogday86 | have the 64bit version? |
21:31.50 | kirillow | yes |
21:32.26 | ghogday86 | amd64? |
21:32.30 | kirillow | yes |
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21:33.39 | mandeep | kirillow: which debian/ |
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21:34.03 | kirillow | well i started with stretch. Now I'm trying sid... |
21:37.03 | ghogday86 | same response? |
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21:38.00 | kirillow | yes |
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21:38.03 | kirillow | back screen |
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21:38.37 | ghogday86 | stable? |
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21:39.09 | kirillow | didnt try stable because the kernel is not supported? |
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21:45.17 | bezaban | how does runit fit in to things? why do I have that in addition to systemd? I assume it has been pulled in as a dependency (presumably from git), but why? |
21:45.53 | ghogday86 | right 4.x |
21:45.55 | bezaban | I know it's not a separate init system, but why wouldn't it be done in systemd scripts |
21:46.22 | bezaban | if it's transitional that's fine, just seems a bit odd :) |
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21:49.15 | ghogday86 | kirillow: is your hdd led indicator showing activity? |
21:49.48 | kirillow | ghogday86: you mean while the screen's black? |
21:50.26 | ghogday86 | yes |
21:51.11 | kirillow | nope no activity |
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21:56.31 | ghogday86 | kirillow: curious...have you tried a live usb vs install? same result? |
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21:58.20 | kirillow | ghogday86: I'm now in the process of trying a ubuntu live usb ;___; |
21:58.25 | ghogday86 | kirillow: check 'fast boot' options. the uefi might NOT be loading something properly |
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22:22.21 | ghogday86 | kirrillow: any luck? |
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22:23.50 | kirillow | no, im now struggling with my usb stick. i cant dd any iso on there anymore as it tells me no space left on device |
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22:28.15 | bin_bash | kirillow: what dd command are you running? |
22:28.59 | kirillow | just dd bs=4M if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb |
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22:29.57 | bin_bash | and you're sure /dev/sdb is correct? |
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22:31.04 | kirillow | how can it not be, i put multiple debian isos on there and the installation start screen showed up every time |
22:31.41 | bin_bash | did you check?? |
22:32.26 | bin_bash | i've had usbs be under /dev/sdc before |
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22:34.18 | SuperTramp83 | lsblk |
22:34.27 | SuperTramp83 | kirillow ^ |
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22:34.40 | SuperTramp83 | format the stick and then dd again |
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22:34.47 | kirillow | yea its sdb |
22:34.54 | SuperTramp83 | use gparted to format it |
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22:35.16 | bin_bash | you shouldn't need to format it though |
22:35.43 | bin_bash | kirillow: how big is the USB and what format is it currently |
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22:36.45 | kirillow | 8GB and it should be fat32 now |
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22:38.59 | kirillow | omg this is driving me nuts. i cant format it m( |
22:39.01 | abff | kirillow: I had this issue where my usb kept being recognized as 54 GB when it was 16 |
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22:39.16 | bin_bash | what error do you get when trying to format it? |
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22:40.06 | abff | every time I had to reset it I would dd if=/dev/urandom =/dev/yourdisk |
22:40.35 | abff | then just ^c out of the process and it would read correctly |
22:41.00 | bin_bash | thats weird lol |
22:41.27 | abff | I think I fucked up the partition table |
22:42.04 | kirillow | `Disk /dev/sdb: 10 MiB` wut |
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22:43.05 | abff | try my suggestion, start writting /dev/urandom to it, it doesn't have to write to the whole disk I think you just need to let it run long enough to demolish the part table |
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22:44.20 | kirillow | kirillow@debian:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb |
22:44.22 | kirillow | dd: writing to â/dev/sdbâ: No space left on device |
22:44.24 | kirillow | 20481+0 records in |
22:44.26 | kirillow | 20480+0 records out |
22:44.28 | kirillow | 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 3.00757 s, 3.5 MB/s |
22:44.30 | kirillow | wtf |
22:45.00 | abff | what does fdisk -l say about it now? |
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22:45.50 | kirillow | nothing at all |
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22:50.30 | kirillow | oh i got `Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary.` and now sdb is still there even if i remove the sstick |
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22:55.52 | p0stm45t3r | well hello |
22:56.34 | n-iCe | should not be gateway the route ip? 192.168.1.254 can't access |
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22:57.38 | abff | It's different for most routers |
22:58.25 | n-iCe | abff: that's why I ask if gateway output should be |
22:58.28 | n-iCe | route -n is giving that |
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23:01.27 | abff | I know that my broadcast ip is different then the gateway ip |
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23:01.34 | abff | but I don't know what you're asking, sorry man |
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23:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should rephrase that question⦠what does route -n give you, what did you do, what did you expect and what happened instead |
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23:09.09 | th3_p05tm45t3r | guys who's the best for cheap vps for Debian |
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23:16.48 | echosystm | hi guys |
23:17.01 | echosystm | apparmor vs. grsecurity |
23:17.23 | echosystm | it seems to me that apparmor and selinux aren't really worth it? |
23:17.45 | echosystm | and the kernel is the biggest exploit path if you have proper file permissions set up already |
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23:18.07 | echosystm | so... why dont more people use grsecurity? |
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23:19.44 | somiaj | Really depends on the use case, in many cases the default kernel and security messures are fine. |
23:20.34 | allizom | echosystm: also I have read this https://bugs.debian.org/810506 |
23:20.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/810506 in src:linux-grsec (open): «linux-grsec not suitable for stable»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-01-09; last modified: 2016-12-28. |
23:21.20 | kirillow | ubuntu at least complains: `no southbridge IOAPIC found` |
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23:23.12 | echosystm | interesting |
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23:24.15 | TomTomTo1 | you should probably look for something with a 4.10 kernel if you are on ryzen. stretch is frozen, so it's going to be a while untill a new kernel lands in testing. |
23:25.01 | echosystm | i read that ubuntu server has some hardening in the kernel |
23:25.10 | echosystm | does debian have something equivalent? |
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23:26.01 | kirillow | what distribution comes with a 4.10 kernel? |
23:26.56 | somiaj | echosystm: debian keeps the kernel secure and patches issues as they arise. By default the debian kernel is secure against known exploits. Though this isn't the only issue. Security is complicated, but just adding a security layer in the kernel may not keep your system secure. Use case is very important. |
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23:29.39 | somiaj | echosystm: note debian usually only installs a minimial system and then you install the services you use afterwards. In general you shouldn't have lots of running services you don't want on your system. And if you install a service (say webserver, mailserver, ssh server, etc) you take the extra steps to understand security issues with those. In many cases you don't need a special apparmor or whatever softw |
23:29.45 | somiaj | are to do this. Though additional securtiy layers won't hurt. |
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23:31.30 | somiaj | for example one way to help secure an ssh server is install fail2ban or denyhost, this will help deal with bots trying to brute force passwords. |
23:33.38 | abff | what do you guys think of port knocking, I know it's easy to overcome but it is another redundancy |
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23:35.45 | somiaj | abff: might depend on usecase, I thought vpn's are the far more popular way to deal with hiding ports from the outside world, but giving acces to those who have the key. |
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23:39.13 | solrize | hi, does debian 8 netinst somehow prevent root login by ssh password over the net? i didn't see that in the sshd_conf but it wouldn't let me log in |
23:39.33 | somiaj | solrize: by default debian disables root login via password, you need a key |
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23:39.56 | solrize | there's a bit of chicken and egg problem then, since the install script prompts for a password |
23:40.00 | somiaj | this has nothing to do with the install method. You can modify /etc/ssh/sshd_conf if you want to change this behavior (though it is a good retriction) |
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23:40.12 | somiaj | solrize: oh you are talking about installing over ssh? |
23:40.26 | solrize | i installed over a vnc but didn't have a good way to import an ssh key |
23:40.32 | solrize | so i wanted to ssh in once the install was up |
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23:40.49 | somiaj | solrize: did you creat a user during the install? |
23:41.08 | solrize | i looked in the sshd_conf but it didn't seem to have password login disabled. yes i did create a user |
23:41.15 | solrize | hmm maybe su would have worked? |
23:41.19 | somiaj | ssh as that user then su - root |
23:41.40 | somiaj | if you don't assign root a password, the installer will install sudo and give your main user full sudo privlages |
23:41.44 | solrize | yeah ok i should have done that. next time. instead i did a hacky thing of using wget on the vnc to pull in a public key from a remote site |
23:41.53 | somiaj | yea only root password is disabled by default, normal user passwords are just fine. |
23:41.54 | solrize | oh that's interesting, didn't know that either |
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23:42.22 | solrize | i don't think the install script installed sudo. i do that from ansible after the system is running |
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23:42.27 | somiaj | yea if you make root passwords blank, it will disable the abilty for root to login but give the main user full sudo privlages |
23:42.46 | somiaj | it only installs sudo if you use a blank root password afiak |
23:42.56 | solrize | anyway thanks now i know what to do next time. i don't remember encountering this issue before and i've done a few other debian installs recently, just not from netinst |
23:43.41 | somiaj | PermitRootLogin no -- that is the line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config that prevents root login via a password. |
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23:43.58 | somiaj | anyways hopefully you have a solution that will work for your use case |
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23:49.02 | SuperTramp83 | If I remember correctly, the default Debian installation comes with just exim and openssh services. The golden rules dictates however: purge or disable each and every service you don't need. The manual "Securing Debian" is a good read. |
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