| 00:00.40 | awal1 | I use pcmanfm, very light and stable |
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| 00:33.49 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 00:35.02 | bazhang | raynold, debian support? |
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| 00:36.10 | soulspire | Hello, I am using a SoundPal SL50 headset with mic on Debian 8 and OpenBox, cannot access the mic using Pavucontrol and Pulseaudio. |
| 00:36.18 | wonderworld | i added an IP to /etc/hosts.deny ALL: IP the ip is still able to connect. am i missing something? |
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| 00:40.16 | soulspire | Perhaps I should stick with buying a USB headset as bluetooth on linux is not ready yet?? |
| 00:40.36 | raynold | did bazhang say something? |
| 00:43.45 | SerajewelKS | wonderworld: /etc/hosts.deny only applies to services that actually read it |
| 00:44.05 | SerajewelKS | wonderworld: if you want to block that host from connecting at all, use iptables instead |
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| 00:45.26 | n-iCe | Hello, I'm back, running Debian 8 xfce :) fully. |
| 00:49.58 | soulspire | So much for linux support being top notch... silence beats abuse I guess |
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| 00:57.25 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 01:02.04 | somiaj | n-iCe: good, glad the jessie kernel worked and you didnt' need backports for wifi |
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| 01:03.34 | n-iCe | somiaj: worked fine!! |
| 01:03.46 | n-iCe | xfce is really fast |
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| 01:29.23 | n-iCe | is debian multi-arch? |
| 01:29.40 | tomcres1 | Yes |
| 01:29.46 | n-iCe | teamviewer site says for 32 and 64bits system, I should download teamviewer_12.0.71510_i386.deb |
| 01:29.58 | n-iCe | buut, package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 01:30.06 | n-iCe | what should I do, weird |
| 01:30.31 | tomcres1 | First do dpkg --add-architecture i386 and run apt update |
| 01:31.14 | n-iCe | done, thanks tomcres1 |
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| 02:14.50 | rocket__ | _> i have a question - i have debian installed - in general how secure are routers? |
| 02:14.59 | rocket__ | should i use the iptable |
| 02:15.05 | rocket__ | to restrict services to the lan |
| 02:15.15 | rocket__ | or is the routers firewall enought? |
| 02:15.21 | rocket__ | somehow i dont trust routers |
| 02:15.33 | Shadow` | a router shouldn't let LAN traffic go to the WAN |
| 02:16.12 | Shadow` | and even if it did, if you use a common LAN range, the packets won't really go anywhere even if the router passes them through |
| 02:16.27 | rocket__ | i rather think about someone breaking into the router |
| 02:16.34 | rocket__ | and get access to the LAN |
| 02:16.43 | rocket__ | or is that rather unlikely |
| 02:17.09 | tomcres1 | I personally don't run firewalls on my LAN, but others may feel differently. It doesn't really hurt to be extra careful especially if you don't trust your router. I just don't like to be inconvenienced. |
| 02:17.09 | Shadow` | rather unlikely if you disable remote access |
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| 02:18.02 | rocket__ | ok thanks |
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| 02:18.26 | rocket__ | well i dont know this router software looks so crappy - i kinda get the impression it must be pretty unsecure |
| 02:18.58 | Shadow` | i have a crappy router, but i do think it's firewall and such will work correctly |
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| 02:19.13 | rocket__ | im no hacker i dont know |
| 02:19.20 | Shadow` | if u dont trust it, i think it's better to just buy your own router |
| 02:19.32 | tomcres1 | Yeah. I'm running Tomato with admin access disabled on the WAN. |
| 02:19.41 | veek | how do you set a medium font for xterm? xterm.font: medium doesn't work |
| 02:20.02 | veek | xterm.vt100.font that is |
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| 02:20.24 | tomcres1 | Wow. App defaults. I haven't used those in like forever! |
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| 02:20.49 | somiaj | the manpage should describe what defaults are used |
| 02:21.57 | tomcres1 | Doesn't xterm emulate a vt220 not a vt100? |
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| 02:22.25 | rocket__ | is samba in general a security risk? |
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| 02:23.44 | missmbob | no. it is annoying as fuck to configure, though. |
| 02:24.14 | tomcres1 | Samba is pretty secure. You have to really misconfigure it to make it otherwise. |
| 02:24.34 | rocket__ | ok thanks |
| 02:24.42 | rocket__ | and well i think ssh is solid like steel |
| 02:24.53 | rocket__ | i will use it with key authentification |
| 02:25.03 | rocket__ | guys i really like debian a lot |
| 02:25.22 | rocket__ | use it for my server without gui |
| 02:25.25 | tomcres1 | We do too ð |
| 02:25.41 | rocket__ | im always concerned a bit about security at all, not because of debian, rather because of me :D |
| 02:26.14 | rocket__ | btw how can i enable auto security updates from shell? |
| 02:26.22 | tomcres1 | Security issues are usually patched very quickly. Just make sure to update regularly. |
| 02:26.32 | somiaj | the package is unatteneded-upgrades or something like that |
| 02:26.35 | somiaj | make sure to read the docs with it |
| 02:26.38 | rocket__ | ah that one |
| 02:26.40 | rocket__ | ok |
| 02:26.44 | rocket__ | i will do that tomorrow thanks |
| 02:26.51 | rocket__ | and good night |
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| 02:47.51 | eeeprom | hey all. Im competing in a security competition for school. the box I got is a debian 5 (lenny) box. the repo ftp.egr.msu.edu does not resolve. since debian 5 is EOL, can someon offer any suggestions as to a repo that I can install software from? |
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| 02:48.51 | somiaj | archive.debian.org |
| 02:49.12 | Spec | https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 04:03.05 | mww113 | eeeprom: out of curiosity, why are you using 5? |
| 04:03.36 | mww113 | seeing as 8 is current, 5 hasn't been maintained in a while |
| 04:03.56 | missmbob | "security competition for school" |
| 04:04.40 | missmbob | i hope they actually made it difficult. sounds pretty stupid |
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| 04:34.10 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 04:49.55 | veek | if i have a / fs which i want to make ro, i have to create a ramdisk but how do i deal with /sys /proc etc - ignore them? |
| 04:50.11 | veek | usb linux basically |
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| 05:12.08 | psychoticwarrior | hows it going |
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| 05:19.01 | psychoticwarrior | anybody still up |
| 05:19.05 | baconicsynergy | i am! |
| 05:19.06 | baconicsynergy | whats up |
| 05:19.09 | psychoticwarrior | sweet |
| 05:19.16 | psychoticwarrior | not much just chillen working on SETOOLkIT |
| 05:19.27 | baconicsynergy | lemme look that up |
| 05:19.32 | psychoticwarrior | ok |
| 05:19.39 | psychoticwarrior | social engineering toolkit |
| 05:19.42 | Rusty1_ | !offtopic |
| 05:19.43 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 05:20.01 | psychoticwarrior | ok |
| 05:20.41 | baconicsynergy | interesting, but not my cup of tea |
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| 05:21.47 | baconicsynergy | is anyone else having issues with mps-youtube in debian testing? |
| 05:24.35 | baconicsynergy | I have my debian laptop perfectly configured for my development workflow <3 All I need is music :/ |
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| 05:25.28 | baconicsynergy | Additionally, trying to install mps-youtube from pip results in an "requires python3" error, even though I have it installed. I'm pretty puzzled :/ |
| 05:26.41 | veek | anyone use olvwm? F6 { Geometry: 159x48+0-1 } doesn't work |
| 05:26.57 | veek | it's supposed to resize window under focus |
| 05:27.31 | veek | this works so wth? F5 { Quit: OLVWM_USE_SELECTION } |
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| 05:28.24 | nicolle | [nicolle] see my naked baby http://adf.ly/1jYYqv |
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| 05:30.46 | veek | why will anyone want to see naked babies.. overly pink and hairless |
| 05:31.00 | veek | and blobby.. |
| 05:31.39 | GreyHazRoot | .:baconicsynergy:. did you try doing < pip3 install > ??? |
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| 06:07.27 | CrazyTux | When will Debian Stretch be out for an end user? |
| 06:10.24 | somiaj | !wir |
| 06:10.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 06:10.30 | somiaj | !stretch pool 1 |
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| 06:10.30 | dpkg | ! nauticalnexus=2017-04-19 cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbÄ«len=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themÃll=2017-05-01 |
| 06:10.59 | somiaj | CrazyTux: jessie took about 6 months after the freeze, they are trying to be faster, but Debian's time line is when it is ready, and usually annoucments are the week before the release. |
| 06:11.31 | CrazyTux | ok. Thanks a lot. |
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| 06:18.14 | jelly | why does cruncher get to have two bets |
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| 06:23.15 | somiaj | jelly: he made one before the annocument of the postponmenet of the freeze then added another I belive |
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| 06:23.33 | somiaj | I recall it comming up in #debian-next, though I'm surprised they are both there. |
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| 10:38.01 | txp | hey guys, on my server running debian stable, I switched around between sendmail and exim, which resulted in my syslog getting spammed with something like this "Feb 10 11:36:00 intradev ifup[377]: /sbin/dhclient-script: 28: .: Can't open /usr/share/sendmail/dynamic". Now I've read here http://askubuntu.com/questions/720412/daemon-log-syslog-files-getting-spamed-with-dhcp-information that I just should delete /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/sendmail . I would l |
| 10:38.01 | txp | ove to get your thoughts on this topic - can anything bad happen if i delete the sendmail hook? |
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| 10:45.50 | nohope | just rename file, in case you kill smth rename it back |
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| 10:48.42 | txp | nohope: ok, thanks |
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| 10:55.38 | DustyDingo | hi,... i am using chromium from debian testing |
| 10:55.48 | DustyDingo | and i have problems installing any extensions |
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| 10:56.37 | DustyDingo | i just get an "installation is not enabled" error and already installed extensions are not present anymore as well |
| 10:56.51 | DustyDingo | i also try this on a new profile etc. |
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| 11:00.30 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, see here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851927 |
| 11:00.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851927 in chromium (closed): «chromium: add extensions option to CHROMIUM_FLAGS»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-01-20; last modified: 2017-02-05. |
| 11:02.00 | DustyDingo | r4co0n: right, thx |
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| 11:05.07 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, be aware that reading the bug report reveals that updating extensions still does not work after the fix. |
| 11:05.39 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, so you get a slightly less annoying problem instead of the original one. |
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| 11:09.52 | boudiccas | when trying to load virtualbox it fails with this error message 'Failed to open a session for the virtual machine arch. VT-x is disabled in the BIOS. (VERR_VMX_MSR_VMXON_DISABLED).' it was installed using the setup for jessie on https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox how can i get round this please? other vboxs installed from a previous install work perfectly okay, just the 2 from this install are failing. and yes, i did reboot before |
| 11:09.52 | boudiccas | trying to start it up |
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| 11:12.10 | r4co0n | boudiccas, check the settings of the vms giving you problems. Under System > Acceleration you find "Enable VT-x/AMD-V". I guess this is enabled for the failing vms, disabled for the working ones. |
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| 11:13.12 | boudiccas | i did look there but its enabled for both old and new. and as im trying to load 64 bit isos its needed for them and otherwise creates an error message if its not ticked for the 64 bit ones |
| 11:13.42 | boudiccas | i can only think that the old ones are 32 bit, from an older machine thna this 64bit one |
| 11:16.09 | DustyDingo | r4co0n: that sucks |
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| 11:16.16 | DustyDingo | i mean, that the extension won't update |
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| 11:21.31 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, it may be time to look for another browser or find another repository for chromium. |
| 11:22.07 | DustyDingo | r4co0n: well, i hope the package maintainer will be able to fix that issues |
| 11:22.15 | DustyDingo | i mean, i don't care about some configuration |
| 11:22.51 | DustyDingo | but stuff not updating extensions is just wrong |
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| 11:22.59 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, as I see it, the package maintainer introduced these issues in the first place. This is not upstream chromium behaviour. |
| 11:23.00 | DustyDingo | *stuff like |
| 11:23.07 | DustyDingo | i know |
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| 11:27.27 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, apparently you can set another flag for updating extensions, See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841401 |
| 11:27.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/841401 in chromium (open): «chromium: doesn't update extensions»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-10-20; last modified: 2017-02-06. |
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| 11:28.16 | WeeJeWel | Hey guys! Is cdn.debian.net broken? I'm getting many 404's, also when doing apt-get update |
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| 11:29.20 | DustyDingo | r4co0n: do you see how? |
| 11:29.35 | DustyDingo | i don't find the --disable-extension-update flag anywhere explicitly set |
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| 11:29.40 | DustyDingo | /etc/chromium.d |
| 11:30.06 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, read the changelog |
| 11:30.16 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, they introduced it the other way around |
| 11:30.44 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, you need to set "--enable-remote-extensions" |
| 11:30.44 | DustyDingo | i don't get it |
| 11:30.56 | DustyDingo | yes, that thing i already do |
| 11:31.12 | DustyDingo | this way i get remote extensions in the first place, but they are not updated |
| 11:31.15 | r4co0n | aah, im confused, sry. |
| 11:31.21 | DustyDingo | everybody is |
| 11:31.32 | r4co0n | They say:" - Add new command line flag --enable-remote-extensions, which bypasses the |
| 11:31.32 | r4co0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.48 | r4co0n | this should also enable updating |
| 11:32.07 | DustyDingo | hm, can't confirm, as stated by some in the issue |
| 11:33.27 | DustyDingo | at least if i enable "developer" mode in the extensions window and hit that update button nothing happens |
| 11:33.52 | r4co0n | DustyDingo, you are right, this should have been fixed in 55.0.2883.75-4 and testing has 55.0.2883.75-6 , but the bug was not fixed. |
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| 11:34.42 | DustyDingo | i can't remember that well, but as far as i do, there was something like a info message that all extensions are now up to date if there aren't any updates. it won't do it completely silent |
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| 11:35.31 | r4co0n | We should really do something about the state of this package before stretch becomes stable. |
| 11:35.43 | balor | If I publish "packagename-1.0.0- amd64.deb" (note the space in the package name) to my deb repository. Will it break an apt-get update? I'm in this situation and am wondering if this is the cause. |
| 11:35.48 | r4co0n | This will break chromium installs for a lot of users |
| 11:36.54 | r4co0n | balor, I guess it will just not be found as you have no architecture " amd64" configured. Why don't you try if you are in this situation? |
| 11:37.36 | balor | r4co0n, I have tried it by accident :) Am wondering if this causes the apt-get update failure to download InRelease or if the issue is elsewhere. |
| 11:37.40 | r4co0n | balor, and it should be "_amd64", not "-amd64" |
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| 11:38.41 | dionysus69 | how do I create acronis usb bootable |
| 11:38.52 | dionysus69 | non uefi |
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| 11:39.11 | dionysus69 | in efi mode I would just dd the iso to usb but in non uefi mode I dont really know :S |
| 11:39.25 | klys | with grub2? what's acronis? |
| 11:39.42 | dionysus69 | http://www.acronis.com/en-us/personal/computer-backup/ |
| 11:39.59 | dionysus69 | I dont care which bootloader it will be booted with |
| 11:40.04 | dionysus69 | whats one way to do it? |
| 11:40.08 | dionysus69 | any way would work |
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| 11:41.46 | klys | use grub2 and say something like: grub> chainloader (cd0)/bootmgr grub> boot |
| 11:42.01 | dionysus69 | ok how do I install grub to usb? |
| 11:42.07 | r4co0n | balor, how are you publishing your package? Using reprepro, I just tested and the name of the deb-file does not seem to be considered at all. |
| 11:42.07 | dionysus69 | grub install /dev/sdb? |
| 11:42.08 | klys | grub-install |
| 11:42.36 | balor | r4co0n, I'm using aptly and I think it's a bug in their UI that allows me to mess up and add the untoward space. |
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| 11:43.01 | xmj | moin |
| 11:43.32 | xmj | trying to figure out the right line for apt-mirror with wheezy and jessie, backports |
| 11:43.44 | xmj | would i want something like: |
| 11:44.06 | xmj | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 11:44.15 | xmj | (and similar for jessie-backports) ? |
| 11:45.00 | klys | xmj, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian main |
| 11:45.10 | klys | er |
| 11:45.15 | xmj | ach, copypasted wrong line |
| 11:45.16 | klys | xmj, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian jessie main |
| 11:45.18 | xmj | but obviously |
| 11:46.29 | xmj | klys: what i have currently- https://dpaste.de/uhq0/raw |
| 11:46.52 | xmj | what i'm interested in is (wheezy/jessie)-backports, do i just add two lines [each] like the ones i have? |
| 11:47.19 | klys | yes |
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| 11:48.08 | xmj | well |
| 11:48.11 | xmj | that's... easy |
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| 11:50.49 | xmj | like this, basically - https://dpaste.de/rWn0/raw |
| 11:50.53 | r4co0n | xmj, when mixing repositories, you should check that your APT Pinning preferences are what you like. They decide which repository to use if multiple offer the same package - https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Pinning . |
| 11:51.23 | xmj | r4co0n: not planning to mix anything, this is for a mirror. |
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| 11:52.37 | r4co0n | xmj, in this case it might make sense to find a mirror really close to you. If this is running in a server farm, your hosting provider has probably its own mirror that you can access really fast. |
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| 11:53.25 | xmj | r4co0n: heard it. i'm paid to build a mirror, so a mirror i build. ;-) |
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| 11:53.41 | xmj | but i get (and agree) with your reasoning |
| 11:53.46 | r4co0n | xmj, I mean the mirror your mirror mirrors from |
| 11:53.50 | r4co0n | ;) |
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| 11:54.28 | xmj | ah right |
| 11:54.39 | xmj | well .de is a good first approximation already ;-) |
| 11:54.58 | r4co0n | xmj, https://www.debian.org/mirror/list - Look at everything under Germany. |
| 11:55.13 | r4co0n | xmj, at the secondary list |
| 11:55.20 | xmj | does debian have some GDNSD' DNS that just returns the closest to wherever i'm digging from? |
| 11:55.37 | r4co0n | xmj, yeah they do. |
| 11:55.57 | r4co0n | xmj, but you might end up with a broken mirror every now and then, I suppose. |
| 11:56.05 | xmj | right |
| 11:56.39 | xmj | let me try something.. |
| 11:57.17 | r4co0n | Of course this also happens with an explicit mirror, but then you know the host that is failing on you, it will be easier to reproduce. |
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| 11:58.47 | xmj | ping varies between 9ms and 30ms |
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| 12:01.55 | smojphace | throws a yellow mold to xmj |
| 12:02.02 | r4co0n | xmj, there's no load-balancing with the normal repos, I was wrong. This works with http://httpredir.debian.org/debian |
| 12:02.14 | babilen | dpkg: deb.debian.org |
| 12:02.14 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 12:02.55 | xmj | now *that*'s what i'm looking for |
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| 12:03.38 | r4co0n | babilen, do you know if this will be the default for new stretch installs? |
| 12:03.44 | xmj | so http://deb.debian.org/debian <...> will do, no? |
| 12:04.53 | babilen | r4co0n: I don't, unfortunately |
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| 12:06.08 | r4co0n | xmj, they support ssl, use it with apt-transport-https ;) |
| 12:06.32 | xmj | r4co0n: if apt-mirror supports it..sure |
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| 12:08.03 | r4co0n | xmj, wouldn't apt-cacher-ng be better suited for your task? apt-mirror will download every package from every mirror you configure, iinm. |
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| 12:08.50 | xmj | well. yes. |
| 12:09.07 | xmj | isn't that kind of the point of building a mirror...? ;-) |
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| 12:11.42 | r4co0n | xmj, apt-cacher-ng can do everything you need. It caches downloaded packages, so on first run it downloads the package, later on it serves it from cache. It can be configured to automatically fetch new versions of already known packages. You would save lots of hdd space with this and maybe even have a faster mirror. |
| 12:12.07 | xmj | r4co0n: i like your thinking, but, again, out of scope |
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| 12:12.26 | xmj | "xmj go build us a mirror of debian, centos, pypi and rubygems.. and then some more." |
| 12:12.59 | r4co0n | xmj, if I wouldn't know otherwise, I would ask you if you work where I work ;) |
| 12:13.11 | xmj | where do you work? |
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| 12:13.46 | jelly | xmj: is your mirror going to be public? |
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| 12:14.40 | jelly | !ftpsync |
| 12:14.40 | dpkg | ftpsync is a non-packaged scriptset for creating a Debian archive mirror. https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror . See also <mirrors>. |
| 12:14.57 | jelly | xmj: ^^ that's what's used for official debian mirrors |
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| 12:15.37 | xmj | shame |
| 12:15.49 | xmj | i thought apt-mirror was the actually officially used tool |
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| 12:16.49 | jelly | you thought wrong! |
| 12:16.56 | xmj | I KNOW *gasp* |
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| 12:17.35 | xmj | then again, from all the documentation you find surrounding apt-mirror, it still seems useful |
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| 12:18.06 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 12:18.17 | klys | hil |
| 12:18.38 | jelly | there's at least half a dozen tools for partial mirrors, all different |
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| 12:19.01 | jelly | apt-cacher? apt-cacher-ng? apt-mirror? apt-let-me-write-my-own? |
| 12:19.54 | xmj | indeed |
| 12:20.00 | xmj | jelly: to answer your question, no it wont |
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| 12:22.25 | r4co0n | Does anyone know why those ftpsync scripts are not packaged? |
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| 12:24.13 | jelly | mostly because there's no reason for it |
| 12:24.35 | jelly | it's available on every mirror anyway |
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| 12:25.50 | r4co0n | Having a changelog and a version number would help, wouldn't it? |
| 12:27.05 | r4co0n | When looking at the archive, you would need to sort lots of files to different folders to be compliant with policy. |
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| 12:29.13 | Somelauw | Is apt-get autoclean safe? |
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| 12:30.13 | jelly | Somelauw: it doesn't make any changes on the system, just apt cache, so yes |
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| 12:30.30 | teraflops | Somelauw: it won't explode |
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| 12:31.41 | Somelauw | thanks |
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| 12:34.42 | Digital | heya |
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| 12:38.56 | Digital | i have debian 9 and my network config seems to be strange, i have two network cards so there are two network interfaces. one is named enp1s0 and the other is named eth1. why do i not have only ethX or enpXsY? |
| 12:39.12 | Digital | (yes, my grammar is bad) |
| 12:45.10 | jelly | Digital: was this an initial installation of stretch or did you have jessie before |
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| 12:45.42 | jelly | (also Debian 9 does not exist yet, stretch is still testing) |
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| 12:47.54 | garit | how long will it take to load 300mb net install cd on a 10Mhz machine> |
| 12:47.58 | Somelauw | is there a qt application that is nearly always installed to test if my qt libraries aren't corrupt? |
| 12:48.05 | Somelauw | or a very small qt program? |
| 12:48.13 | Somelauw | i can apt-get |
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| 12:48.29 | Digital | jelly; i used the debian 8 installer and then changed the repositories |
| 12:48.31 | jelly | garit: which specific 10MHz machine |
| 12:48.45 | tomcres | Try qt4-qtconfig |
| 12:48.46 | Digital | well, /etc/issue says debian 9 :D |
| 12:49.14 | garit | jelly: emulator that runs at 5-10 M instructions per second =) it did load already, about 10 minutes |
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| 12:49.47 | jelly | alright, problem solved |
| 12:50.50 | jelly | Digital: did you take a look at bug reports for ifupdown already |
| 12:50.55 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:50.56 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:51.23 | Digital | jelly, nope, i didn't know what i should search for |
| 12:51.51 | jelly | mixed eth and enp interface names, probably |
| 12:52.29 | Digital | thanks |
| 12:52.40 | Digital | sounds obvious now that you say it |
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| 12:53.40 | gregor2 | hi |
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| 12:53.45 | Digital | hi |
| 12:54.36 | gregor2 | Can annyone tell me what this error means: |
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| 12:54.39 | gregor2 | SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO) failed: No available video device |
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| 13:00.28 | havenot | hii have a question, i use debian stretch on my desktop, today i noticed that the gui is running on tty2 and on tty1 i find a gui login screen. what is the reason for tihs? |
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| 13:05.40 | Somelauw | I just installed systemd-coredump. If I run python3 -c 'from PyQt5 import QtWebKitWidgets' I get "7502 segmentation fault (core dumped)", but I run 'coredumpctl', it prints "No coredumps found." |
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| 13:09.59 | Spiffy | Magic pixies took it |
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| 13:31.31 | havenot | hii have a question, i use debian stretch on my desktop, today i noticed that the gui is running on tty2 and on tty1 i find a gui login screen. what is the reason for this? |
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| 13:34.38 | thms | My damn fs says "stale nfs file handle", i have no user access to it, nfs-common is stopped, still cannot unmount -f$ |
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| 13:37.03 | prillian5 | I have trouble with npd on debian 7 |
| 13:37.24 | prillian5 | ntp status told me FAIL, not running |
| 13:37.30 | abrotman | you mean ntpd ? |
| 13:37.31 | Somelauw | havenot: i don't have guis on tty1 and tty2 |
| 13:37.40 | prillian5 | abrotman: yes |
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| 13:37.43 | Somelauw | i'm also on stretch |
| 13:37.57 | havenot | do you use gnome? |
| 13:37.57 | prillian5 | ntp restart give: [....] Starting NTP server: ntpd/etc/init.d/ntp: Zeile 40: 17691 Beendet lockfile-touch $LOCKFILE |
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| 13:38.33 | dragoonis | v, wheezy mod_proxy_cgi |
| 13:38.49 | dragoonis | ,v mod_proxy_cgi |
| 13:38.50 | judd | No package named 'mod_proxy_cgi' was found in amd64. |
| 13:38.55 | dragoonis | ,v mod_proxy_fcgi |
| 13:38.56 | judd | No package named 'mod_proxy_fcgi' was found in amd64. |
| 13:39.11 | dragoonis | I'm on wheezy - apache2 isn't coming with this module ^^ |
| 13:39.23 | themill | packages can't have _ in their name so that's not a great start to your searching... |
| 13:39.58 | prillian5 | I also have reinstalled nptd, but seems not to work |
| 13:40.01 | jelly | judd: file mod_proxy_fcgi.so |
| 13:40.05 | judd | Search for mod_proxy_fcgi.so in jessie/amd64: apache2-bin: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_fcgi.so; apache2-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_fcgi.so |
| 13:40.41 | jelly | dragoonis: you probably already have apache2-bin, and merely have to a2enmod proxy_fcgi |
| 13:41.17 | jelly | judd: file mod_proxy_fcgi.so --release wheezy |
| 13:41.20 | judd | No packages in wheezy/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:41.37 | jelly | dragoonis: not present in wheezy at all |
| 13:41.38 | dragoonis | ERROR: Module proxy_fcgi does not exist! |
| 13:41.45 | dragoonis | jelly, WTF |
| 13:41.49 | jelly | 2.2 |
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| 13:42.02 | dragoonis | i see on the internet it says "Apache 2.2 and FPM .. do this config in apache vhost file" |
| 13:42.09 | dragoonis | where to get this module ? |
| 13:42.29 | dragoonis | It says to add this to vhost |
| 13:42.31 | dragoonis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:42.46 | prillian5 | ntpq -p |
| 13:42.47 | prillian5 | ntpq: read: Connection refused |
| 13:43.06 | jelly | dragoonis: it's not present in debian 7 |
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| 13:43.27 | dragoonis | jelly, where to get it then ? |
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| 13:43.44 | havenot | Somelauw: could my second monitor be the reason for this? on tty7 and tty8 i only see a blinking underline, on tty1 gnome login scrren (when i login i jumps to tty2) ond on tty2 i see my normal gnome-desktop-enviroment, i gues this isnt the normal behaivior |
| 13:43.47 | jelly | dragoonis: I'd use debian 8 |
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| 13:45.51 | dragoonis | ,v apache2 |
| 13:45.52 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; stretch: 2.4.25-3; sid: 2.4.25-3 |
| 13:46.54 | prillian5 | any debian god here? |
| 13:47.02 | prillian5 | or ntpd one ? |
| 13:47.04 | prillian5 | ^^ |
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| 13:47.55 | jelly | prillian5: what do you need gods for |
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| 13:48.14 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 13:48.14 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 13:48.29 | prillian5 | jelly: nice to meet you ;) .. so I need for my ntpd problem i described above |
| 13:48.30 | dragoonis | ,v libjpeg8 |
| 13:48.31 | judd | Package: libjpeg8 on amd64 -- wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1; sid: 8d1-2 |
| 13:48.37 | dragoonis | ,v libjpeg |
| 13:48.38 | judd | No package named 'libjpeg' was found in amd64. |
| 13:48.42 | jelly | prillian5: verify there's no ntpd process running already, first |
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| 13:48.50 | Somelauw | havenot: everyone else in this channel knows more than i do |
| 13:49.05 | dragoonis | jelly, can you help ? I need to install libjpeg and cannot find name for Debian 8 (Jessia) upgrade |
| 13:49.07 | jelly | dragoonis: you can /msg judd v stuff instead of doing it in-channel |
| 13:49.13 | prillian5 | jelly: ps aux |grep ntpd told me... nothing here :r |
| 13:49.28 | dragoonis | good to know that jelly thanks :) |
| 13:49.34 | jelly | dragoonis: I'd start with "apt-cache search libjpeg" |
| 13:49.54 | Somelauw | havenot: for me the graphical login is on tty7, everything else is text. It sounds strange that for you it's different. |
| 13:50.14 | havenot | Somelauw: ok, thanks |
| 13:50.35 | prillian5 | jelly: and ntp status gives : [FAIL] NTP server is not running ... failed |
| 13:50.37 | havenot | yes i try to find the reason for this beheivior |
| 13:50.55 | prillian5 | I still have reinstalled ntp (even with purge), same result |
| 13:50.59 | dragoonis | jelly, found it. cool |
| 13:50.59 | jelly | prillian5: good, now, since it looks the init script itself fails and not the daemon, you can try running it with some debug on: sh -x /etc/init.d/ntp start |
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| 13:52.06 | prillian5 | ok, this returns this lines: http://dpaste.com/0BFMEY0 |
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| 13:52.48 | prillian5 | line 60 looks strange |
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| 13:53.09 | rocket__ | hi does it make sense to activate public key and login for ssh? |
| 13:53.18 | rocket__ | and is it even possible? |
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| 13:54.06 | jelly | prillian5: that lockfile thing looks tangential tho, and the daemon seems to have started successfully |
| 13:54.21 | tw | rocket__: it's the default in debian. |
| 13:54.45 | prillian5 | ps aux |grep ntp still give no running process back |
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| 13:55.35 | jelly | prillian5: right, so it started and died soon after. Look at /var/log/daemon.log for any mention of ntpd |
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| 13:56.45 | jelly | prillian5: grep ntpd /var/log/daemon.log, perhaps |
| 13:56.59 | prillian5 | jelly: log say: http://dpaste.com/02RW4Q7 |
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| 13:57.13 | havenot | what does determite in which tty the gui starts? and how to remove second gui on tty1 permanent? |
| 13:57.30 | tw | rocket__: unless you mean require BOTH a public key and a password. Which does make a certain kind of sense, but is generally serious overkill. |
| 13:57.43 | prillian5 | jelly: ah wait, there are some more lines: http://dpaste.com/1C3GVKF |
| 13:57.47 | jelly | prillian5: so nothing useful, just showing how it started, not how it died |
| 13:58.00 | prillian5 | cap_set_proc() failed to drop root privileges: Operation not permitted |
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| 13:58.49 | jelly | prillian5: do you have a default debian kernel there or what? uname -a |
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| 13:59.50 | tw | rocket__: http://security.stackexchange.com/q/17931 in which case, the answer is yes, though I don't know if this feature is available in the debian version of openssh |
| 13:59.58 | prillian5 | jelly: seems we come closer. It's a proxmox vm. I found something with this error-message in the I-net. |
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| 14:00.25 | prillian5 | jelly: yeah, now it's running. |
| 14:00.30 | prillian5 | Thanks a lot jelly |
| 14:00.42 | prillian5 | I've done this for the vm: vzctl set 105 --capability sys_time:on --save |
| 14:00.50 | jelly | whatever that meant! |
| 14:01.05 | prillian5 | seems it's a kind of pipe the system-time to the vm. Now ntp status return "running" |
| 14:01.22 | jelly | sounds like this proxmon thing uses openvz containers with lots of restrictions |
| 14:01.35 | jelly | proxmox* |
| 14:01.49 | tw | ovz containers can't set the system time. Proxmox also does a lot of weird things to the OS. |
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| 14:02.04 | brenlae | hi, i have deiban 8.6, is it worthwhile to upgrade to 8.7? |
| 14:02.09 | tw | You should probably ask proxmox support if you have weird behavior. |
| 14:02.35 | jelly | brenlae: apply normal patches and you'll get the system to 8.7 automatically |
| 14:02.42 | brenlae | jelly: how? |
| 14:02.47 | jelly | the usual way |
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| 14:03.51 | jelly | brenlae: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html#sect.apt-upgrade |
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| 14:05.58 | brenlae | jelly: i did apt-get upgrade a few days ago and noticed a big update of about 200+ mb |
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| 14:06.16 | rocket__ | tw, thanks for the answer yes i mean both |
| 14:06.18 | prillian5 | jelly: yes, it does. Glad that I fixed it now with your help |
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| 14:07.20 | rocket__ | thanks for the hint guys! |
| 14:07.36 | jelly | brenlae: you will also want to do a full-upgrade |
| 14:07.42 | brenlae | k |
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| 14:08.45 | brenlae | jelly: it's already fully up to date with full-upgrade |
| 14:08.45 | brenlae | :D |
| 14:08.55 | jelly | brenlae: then you're already on 8.7 |
| 14:09.00 | brenlae | nice thanks man :) |
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| 14:09.11 | jelly | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:09.29 | brenlae | jelly: it says 8.7 |
| 14:09.32 | brenlae | :) |
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| 14:13.07 | brenlae | i'm astonished of how little ram debian uses compared to windows 10 |
| 14:13.13 | brenlae | 277 mb on xfce with firewall |
| 14:13.22 | brenlae | compared to 1.5 gb win 10 |
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| 14:19.22 | shal3r | why https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 (3.2.84-1) is not installing when I do apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade on Wheezy with recommened sources.list from https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using ? |
| 14:19.40 | shal3r | latest kernel I can get is 3.2.54-2 |
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| 14:20.54 | brenlae | jelly: thanks again, :) |
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| 14:21.00 | Somelauw | I just installed systemd-coredump. If I run python3 -c 'from PyQt5 import QtWebKitWidgets' I get "7502 segmentation fault (core dumped)", but I run 'coredumpctl', it prints "No coredumps found." Where did my coredumps go? |
| 14:21.03 | jelly | dpkg, tell shal3r about wheezy sources.list |
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| 14:23.03 | josecapurro | dpkg sources.list |
| 14:23.04 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:23.57 | jelly | Somelauw: did you log off and on again after installing that? |
| 14:24.12 | jelly | ,v systemd-coredump |
| 14:24.13 | judd | Package: systemd-coredump on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-15; sid: 232-16 |
| 14:24.19 | Somelauw | jelly: not yet |
| 14:24.27 | jelly | Somelauw: did you read the docs? |
| 14:24.31 | Somelauw | thanks, i'll do so now |
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| 14:25.17 | jelly | not that there are any, apart from package changelog, sorry |
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| 14:25.55 | shal3r | josecapurro, thanks, i had a nice chat with dpkg and i double checked that I have right sources.list and ran right commands but still got no updates |
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| 14:27.19 | jelly | shal3r: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" |
| 14:27.25 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:27.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:30.31 | Somelauw | jelly: even after a full reboot, no coredumps are generated by segfaulting |
| 14:30.58 | Somelauw | [1] + 1792 segmentation fault (core dumped) qutebrowser |
| 14:31.10 | Somelauw | % coredumpctl |
| 14:31.18 | Somelauw | No coredumps found. |
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| 14:32.34 | jelly | ehh |
| 14:32.48 | jelly | Somelauw: now you get to investigate how that thing works! |
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| 14:39.00 | sawk | Hi, i'm using Debian 9 with MATE. I just installed MATE after removing GNOME3, and now Xorg crashes when I open the popup settings, as well as sending emails with icedove. I'm missing some libraries most probably.. Do you have the same problem? |
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| 14:46.13 | BluesKaj | sawk: next time install the new DE first, then after logging in remove the the previous DE |
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| 14:46.43 | sawk | BluesKaj, https://wiki.debian.org/Mate :-( |
| 14:47.03 | sawk | then wiki is wrong |
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| 14:49.03 | nguyenphi | How long is the full freeze? |
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| 14:49.40 | Spiffy | nguyenphi, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Release_statistics is a good indicator |
| 14:49.58 | Spiffy | Aka. don't hold your breath :) |
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| 14:51.11 | nguyenphi | Spiffy: so maybe it is still long from now? |
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| 14:53.46 | veek | how do you copy files into a newly mounted tmpfs mountpoint |
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| 14:54.20 | veek | i want to startx but the mountpoint is in ram and i need to stick some basic cfg files in it |
| 14:55.10 | BluesKaj | oops...had to quit the vpn, the debian wikis treat them as spam sources :-( |
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| 14:55.34 | BluesKaj | bit of a pita |
| 14:56.03 | Spiffy | nguyenphi, you can be pretty sure it is :) |
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| 15:02.25 | yousef | hi, i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong but it seems no desktop environment is available for installation on my ppc laptop.. do i need to add specific mirrors or something? |
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| 15:03.31 | yousef | e.g. apt-cache search awesome (or mate or openbox) gives me nothing |
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| 15:09.18 | zykotick9 | yousef: did you install without internet access? if so, your sources.list is probabaly missing the main repo. if not, i got nothin' good luck. |
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| 15:11.29 | yousef | zykotick9: yeah i installed without internet access but then changed sources.list to enable the commented repos |
| 15:11.44 | yousef | e.g. ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-updated main contrib non-free |
| 15:11.51 | yousef | (i added contrib and non-free) |
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| 15:13.40 | zykotick9 | yousef: ok... well best of luck then. |
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| 15:21.04 | sawk | BluesKaj, i think i'll stick with debian 8. Too much troubles even with testing.. :/ |
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| 15:25.59 | sawk | i mean...now xorg randomly crashes when using firefox or icedove |
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| 15:26.15 | sawk | there's nothing worse but system reboot i guess |
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| 15:27.51 | BluesKaj | sawk: just installed debian jessie 8.7.1 KDE and it's quite stable and I am enjoying it after mucking about with testing kubuntu 17.04 |
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| 15:28.54 | sawk | BluesKaj, i used to have 8.7.1 before, but then 9.0 RC1 came out so i wanted to try. Bad move |
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| 15:29.54 | BluesKaj | sawk: ahh, thanks for the heads up, i'll stick with 8.7.1 :-) |
| 15:30.16 | sawk | yeah well..testing is not stable of course :-D |
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| 15:31.13 | BluesKaj | never is ..I'm tired of trying to make things work on an unstable OS...this is relaxing |
| 15:32.04 | sawk | yeah, until you wanna try the new awesome super feature in your preferred package |
| 15:33.13 | sawk | then you start to work with the backports, then external repos, then you get crazy and you say "why not...let's go for testing" |
| 15:33.27 | sawk | if you're lucky, the system will work |
| 15:33.38 | sawk | but i might say...better than Gentoo :-D |
| 15:33.47 | BluesKaj | most of my apps lean towards multimedia and so far everything works the way I want |
| 15:34.24 | sawk | yeah that's the point |
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| 15:34.41 | sawk | no point to waste time if things are working as they are |
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| 15:34.55 | BluesKaj | gentoo ...bah humbug ...not into wearing hair shirts :-) |
| 15:35.09 | sawk | everyone says that |
| 15:35.17 | sawk | in b4 Archlinux fan :-D |
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| 15:36.25 | BluesKaj | not afriad to admit that gentoo is a bit daunting for someone with my computer skills |
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| 15:37.37 | BluesKaj | arch was anticlimactic after all that work and hype...it's nice OS tho, just nothing new |
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| 15:37.51 | sawk | it was new |
| 15:37.56 | tw | everything is new in arch. |
| 15:37.59 | sawk | 9 years ago |
| 15:38.07 | sawk | tw, true that |
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| 15:50.50 | roedie | Hi, does anyone know a good way to get all dependencies of a packge? For example, I try to backport package foobar from unstable to stable, but it has some dependencies that are in stable and are in backports. I only want to backport the stuff that is not in stable or backports. |
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| 15:55.02 | spinza | looking for torrent of debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso |
| 15:56.27 | josecapurro | @roedie apt-cache rdepends <packagename> |
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| 15:58.00 | josecapurro | @roedie apt-cache showpkg <packagename> |
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| 15:59.34 | josecapurro | @roedie dpkg -I <packagename>.deb |
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| 16:00.25 | antosamalona | hello! |
| 16:00.34 | josecapurro | Oi! |
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| 16:01.40 | roedie | josecapurro: Thanks, it does not quite give me what I need. |
| 16:02.01 | antosamalona | how to join in #debian-next channel? |
| 16:02.34 | TomTomTo1 | roedie: we have a bot for that. /msg judd checkbackport <src pkg> |
| 16:02.56 | TomTomTo1 | antosamalona: that channel is only on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:05.54 | antosamalona | TomTomTo1: thank you |
| 16:06.17 | roedie | TomTomTo1: Is the source code available from the checkbackort functionality of judd? |
| 16:06.53 | roedie | TomTomTo1: Because it's exactly what I need, but since I've got a lot of packages to backport it's kind of a hassle to keep messaging a bot. |
| 16:07.17 | TomTomTo1 | you would have to ask themill. |
| 16:07.48 | Exhar | @roedie: http://git.nanonanonano.net/?p=judd.git;a=tree;f=supybot/plugins/Judd |
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| 17:21.50 | LordThumper | Hi, I recently installed Debian stable on my machine, and I am getting random freezes (everything is locked). Any ideas what the problem could be? I can provide machine / kernel details if needed |
| 17:22.13 | LordThumper | I'm on 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:22.53 | GNU\colossus | when that happens, does your box still respond to ICMP ECHO/ping on the local network? |
| 17:23.24 | GNU\colossus | can you still toggle the numlock LED on your keyboard? if you play back music while it happens, what effects can you observe? |
| 17:23.25 | LordThumper | I haven't tried, I will ping it on next freeze |
| 17:23.35 | LordThumper | numlock LED on keyboard does not work |
| 17:23.57 | LordThumper | if it's on it will still be on |
| 17:23.59 | LordThumper | when i press it |
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| 17:24.23 | GNU\colossus | "still on" means it continues playing the way it normally would? |
| 17:24.31 | LordThumper | numlock LED |
| 17:24.33 | LordThumper | not sound |
| 17:24.37 | GNU\colossus | I see |
| 17:24.48 | missmbob | what's "next freeze" ? |
| 17:25.03 | LordThumper | I tried doing an online memory scan with memtester |
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| 17:25.09 | LordThumper | 3 out of 4 GB multiple passes |
| 17:25.10 | LordThumper | no issues |
| 17:25.35 | lizzie | where can I find the minimum kernel versions for debian versions? I tried putting a sid chroot on an android device running a 3.0.101 kernel and got "fatal: kernel too old" errors |
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| 17:26.51 | missmbob | lizzie: what version of debian? |
| 17:27.04 | relaxed | lizzie: sid requires 2.6.32 or later |
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| 17:27.49 | missmbob | i see 2.6.29 |
| 17:27.51 | missmbob | 39* |
| 17:28.00 | missmbob | that's from here https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
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| 17:33.22 | hackspirit0 | Hi, I have create a bootable USB debian |
| 17:33.31 | hackspirit0 | but when i boot it i get |
| 17:33.47 | hackspirit0 | a blank screen with forever blinking cursor |
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| 17:34.25 | hackspirit0 | any solutioon |
| 17:34.34 | towo` | what graphics card? |
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| 17:34.55 | hackspirit0 | bootable usb with debian gives a blank screen with forever blinking cursor |
| 17:34.59 | LordThumper | any idea how I can debug freezes post mortem? |
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| 17:35.11 | towo` | hackspirit0, again, what graphics card? |
| 17:35.14 | hackspirit0 | I have no graphics card as of now |
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| 17:35.30 | towo` | then how you see the blinking cursor? |
| 17:35.40 | hackspirit0 | I have no GFC, its just old pc |
| 17:35.46 | towo` | boah |
| 17:35.49 | hackspirit0 | core 2 duo |
| 17:36.24 | towo` | how you have created the usb stick? |
| 17:36.50 | hackspirit0 | I guess there are links that says to grab the grub by some shortcuts i don't know how to do it |
| 17:36.59 | hackspirit0 | I have used the Universal USB installer |
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| 17:37.03 | hackspirit0 | on windows |
| 17:37.33 | towo` | you should use win32diskimager |
| 17:38.03 | hackspirit0 | the same issue when i tried on VirtualBox |
| 17:38.06 | towo` | if a assume, you use the igp of the cpu |
| 17:38.41 | towo` | then i would oracle your downloaded iso was corrupt |
| 17:38.55 | hackspirit0 | I have tried Ubuntu, Mint, Kali but i am not getting Debian thing work |
| 17:38.55 | hackspirit0 | :( |
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| 17:39.39 | missmbob | hackspirit0: you'll be find if you use win32diskimager |
| 17:39.41 | hackspirit0 | I guess I downloaded twice, once i tried the KDE and then i trie default |
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| 17:40.18 | hackspirit0 | win32diskimager --> is that SAFE ? I mean I have not heard it ever |
| 17:40.26 | missmbob | !win32diskimager |
| 17:40.26 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 17:40.27 | hackspirit0 | for making bootable usb of lnux |
| 17:40.30 | teraflops | hackspirit0: it is |
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| 17:40.54 | mww113 | kde vs gnome wouldn't cause the problem you're having fyi |
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| 17:41.02 | missmbob | hackspirit0: (win32diskimager is mentioned in the official guilde) |
| 17:41.26 | hackspirit0 | Okay peaople, I will try it out. BTW is there known issues with Universal USB installer |
| 17:41.35 | hackspirit0 | okay, I will try |
| 17:41.55 | missmbob | hackspirit0: they all suck with debian because we're weird and like to use hybrid images which they dont expect |
| 17:42.09 | hackspirit0 | Thanks ppl. |
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| 17:42.32 | mww113 | I've always just used dd to copy debian to usb |
| 17:42.38 | mww113 | but I'm assuming OP is on windows |
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| 17:43.22 | hackspirit0 | yes, i am on windows 7 |
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| 17:46.15 | missmbob | mww113: you're not using the live iso, right? |
| 17:46.56 | hackspirit0 | i am using this |
| 17:46.56 | hackspirit0 | debian-8.7.1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 17:46.56 | missmbob | hackspirit0: ^^ for you |
| 17:47.13 | hackspirit0 | :D |
| 17:47.22 | greycat | that -kde makes it sounds like a Live image instead of an installation image |
| 17:47.27 | towo` | why you ose i386? |
| 17:47.49 | towo` | core2duo is 64bit capable |
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| 17:48.10 | hackspirit0 | just beacuse sometimes my virtualbox throw some err while using 64bit iso |
| 17:48.32 | hackspirit0 | since then i go for 32 bit |
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| 17:48.49 | towo` | vbox needs vt-x for 64bit guests |
| 17:49.18 | missmbob | i wonder when we'll drop 32. others are doing it |
| 17:49.19 | hackspirit0 | yeah that thing, |
| 17:49.40 | hackspirit0 | :C |
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| 17:58.58 | Zewwy | Hey all, I have a wordpress server running on Debian 8 |
| 17:59.04 | Zewwy | For some reason I can't ping out from it |
| 17:59.20 | Zewwy | even though I can ssh in, ping it, and all that, but once I ssh into the server I can't ping out to anything |
| 17:59.39 | Zewwy | iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j ACCEPT |
| 17:59.44 | Zewwy | I enetreed this, and it didn't help |
| 17:59.48 | Zewwy | any thoughts? |
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| 18:00.50 | Zewwy | actually getting a biit flustered, cause I feel I should be able to figure this out liek its easy... but I checked everythign I can think of |
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| 18:03.42 | Zewwy | ? |
| 18:04.37 | hicks__ | check what the default route/gw is set to. |
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| 18:04.59 | missmbob | Zewwy: iptables' home is #netfilter |
| 18:05.34 | petn-randall | Zewwy: What is the full command + error that you get? |
| 18:05.44 | petn-randall | Zewwy: The ping command that is. |
| 18:06.06 | Zewwy | ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:06.07 | Zewwy | PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:06.19 | Zewwy | 9 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 8064ms |
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| 18:06.39 | petn-randall | Zewwy: I see. Do you even have a firewall configured on that machine? |
| 18:06.57 | Zewwy | hicks__: the deafult gw is fine, hence I can ping it, and ssh in no problem, from a different network |
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| 18:07.20 | Zewwy | petn-randall: IPtables, I wouldn't even mind temperaly disabling it to see if thats even the case |
| 18:07.23 | hicks__ | Zewwy: on the machine you've ssh'd in? it's set correctly for the next upstream route? |
| 18:08.00 | Zewwy | hicks__: Yes, again I can ping it from outside, from another network no problem, ssh in from nother network no problem |
| 18:08.00 | hicks__ | if you suspect a firewall issue, either temp disable it, or enable logging and add a log rule for anything you drop/reject |
| 18:08.05 | Zewwy | I can access the website no problem |
| 18:08.08 | Zewwy | but when I ssh into it |
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| 18:08.11 | Zewwy | I can't ping out to anything |
| 18:08.13 | hicks__ | Zewwy: you can ping out to in with an incorrect default route |
| 18:08.23 | Zewwy | hicks__: what? |
| 18:08.25 | hicks__ | and still not be able to ping a global address |
| 18:08.32 | Zewwy | hicks__: it's deafult route is perfectly fine |
| 18:08.39 | hicks__ | ok, long as you've checked :) |
| 18:08.54 | Zewwy | I wouldn't be able to ssh into it from another network if it wasn't :S |
| 18:09.43 | Zewwy | today has been a really piss off day with me, linux, networking, just awful day today |
| 18:09.50 | Zewwy | can't seem to figure any of the lsimpliest issues |
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| 18:11.03 | Zewwy | is there a command to stop iptables? |
| 18:11.28 | greycat | It's not a daemon. It's a kernel feature. |
| 18:11.29 | teraflops | Zewwy: flush the rules |
| 18:11.39 | Zewwy | fsdg';lgsfd['psty |
| 18:11.48 | teraflops | Zewwy: yeah test failed |
| 18:12.29 | Zewwy | why can't it just be a daemon?! |
| 18:12.48 | Zewwy | time for a beer |
| 18:12.53 | teraflops | Zewwy: write a systemd unit |
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| 18:13.19 | hicks__ | you could use ufw which still lets you set explicit rules in the /etc/ufw/before.rules etc but also is "like" a daemon in that yuo can ufw enable or ufw disable it |
| 18:13.39 | hicks__ | not that it helps you right now, but for future ref. |
| 18:14.13 | greycat | If the real goal is to "pause" it so that you can resume later with your rules intact, then I believe you want to save the rules to a file, flush 'em, then restore 'em from the file later. |
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| 18:49.54 | chucklebug | Hi all, does anyone have a moment to help me with some ACL problems, please? I'd like to do it via PM so I don't spam this room with cmd output. |
| 18:51.37 | chucklebug | in short, I got a subdirectory that I'm trying to make accessible to a single group (managed by phpldapadmin). As far as I can tell the ACL is set up right, but access is still restricted to group members. |
| 18:51.50 | Zewwy | you are correct greycat |
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| 18:52.37 | j4ckcom | if i use debian on 128G hdd, then it is wasting storage? |
| 18:53.05 | Zewwy | chucklebug: so you verified both owner and group accounts, and their permissions for that subfolder? |
| 18:53.47 | chucklebug | I think so, yeah |
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| 18:55.10 | Zewwy | keep it in room, and use paste bin |
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| 18:55.47 | Zewwy | la -la of the subfolder, to show current perms, and if possible the aprent as well/. Member pastebin |
| 18:55.51 | greycat | and by paste bin, you mean http://paste.debian.net/ or one of the packages that lets you send shell output to a web site |
| 18:56.07 | Zewwy | if you want to get fancy sure |
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| 18:56.29 | awal1 | Any text editor able to oprn two files side by side? |
| 18:56.52 | awal1 | files 1 at right, file 2 at left |
| 18:56.57 | greycat | It would be way simpler to shove two terminal windows together and run two editors. |
| 18:57.02 | missmbob | awal1: gedit has tabs |
| 18:57.10 | missmbob | awal1: oh |
| 18:57.30 | Zewwy | in windows notepadd++, I'm sure sure about linux distros |
| 18:57.42 | Zewwy | I'm not sure* |
| 18:57.47 | awal1 | greycat, yeah I can do that with 'terminator' and nano but I wanted a gui one |
| 18:58.05 | awal1 | missmbob, no tabs, two files in 1 window/tab |
| 18:58.07 | awal1 | : |
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| 18:58.16 | tomcres | Emacs ð |
| 18:58.50 | awal1 | hm, nevr tried emacs :P |
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| 18:59.13 | missmbob | awal1: get some coffee |
| 18:59.24 | awal1 | I just got one :P |
| 18:59.57 | tomcres | I've never quite been able to figure it out, but you can make it so anything as it's essentially a LISP runtime environment. |
| 18:59.59 | awal1 | In fact I'm planing to leave coffee & cigarette |
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| 19:01.31 | n4dir | there are editors which can't open two files, one on the right, one on the left? |
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| 19:02.08 | awal1 | ok, I may just use terminator+nano or gedit / geany (tabs) |
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| 19:02.23 | awal1 | n4dir, yeah something like diff but for edit |
| 19:02.55 | n4dir | i probably don't understand you. in vim :vsplit |
| 19:04.05 | greycat | I don't see what you gain by having two files open in a single editor, except another layer of confusion. |
| 19:04.23 | greycat | But hey, more power to you if that's what you like. |
| 19:04.39 | n4dir | if at all i use it to copy a block of code from one file and paste it into another |
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| 19:04.50 | awal1 | n4dir, yeah split the window and have file 1 on the right and file 2 on the left. ok looks like vim will do the trick since it supports split, I'll try gvim |
| 19:05.06 | chucklebug | Zewwy, check out http://pastebin.com/7m7p3gE9 -- Sorry for the delay, had to redact some things. :) |
| 19:05.26 | missmbob | chucklebug: seriously, no pastebin.com. paste.debian.net please |
| 19:05.49 | n4dir | awal1: if comfortable with terminator i would probably go for that solution (assuming you don't know vim well) |
| 19:06.01 | awal1 | greycat, I'm editing big config files and I have to compare and copy paste long texts then apply changes and restart x in the fly |
| 19:06.16 | awal1 | more used to nano |
| 19:06.24 | awal1 | but gvim may be suitable |
| 19:06.41 | chucklebug | missmbob: http://paste.debian.net/913740/ |
| 19:06.47 | n4dir | not sure, i can't see an advantage of using vsplit over terminator. might well be me, my vim foo is rather low :-( |
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| 19:07.11 | Zewwy | The parent level /data/comp\documents is still owned by root |
| 19:07.24 | Zewwy | /data/company/Documents |
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| 19:08.01 | awal1 | I'm working in/hacking some gtk themes |
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| 19:08.25 | missmbob | awal1: arc darK? |
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| 19:09.21 | chucklebug | Yeah, I was just smashing buttons in changing the owner of Master Document Vault to the DocumentControl group. All other adjacent dirs are owned by root but have appropriate access managed by ACL. I'll try changing Documents to be owned by DocumentControl. |
| 19:09.46 | chucklebug | ...Didn't change anything. :< |
| 19:10.00 | awal1 | missmbob, right now almost 'bluementa' (mate theme) and openbox decor themes. arc dark is nice but still not polished yet |
| 19:10.16 | angor | hi guys. I need to change file /etc/iproute2/rt_tables - will it be returned to default after reboot? |
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| 19:10.24 | Zewwy | chgrp -R Group /data/comp/Documents |
| 19:10.24 | missmbob | awal1: shoot me a screenshot when you're done. interested |
| 19:10.54 | Jaami | hi, why this error is shown many times? unable to lock lock was blocked an application |
| 19:10.54 | angor | or I need to write a script, which will make changes into it after reboot? |
| 19:11.21 | Jaami | **blocked by an application |
| 19:12.09 | awal1 | missmbob, if I get it yeah; not easy, two much confusion with colors codes; and apart gimp, there isn't a special tool for work on colors :P |
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| 19:12.18 | awal1 | too much ^ |
| 19:12.42 | Zewwy | chucklebug: looking at it, you have a 770 on the ./Documents perms and its sub perms, which means as long as those users are in the proper group, they should have RWX permissions |
| 19:12.52 | missmbob | angor: i'm assuming if you just keep it unwritable you'll be fine. never touched that though |
| 19:13.09 | awal1 | missmbob, any news about vivaldi on debian? |
| 19:13.19 | missmbob | awal1: no :P |
| 19:13.37 | angor | missmbob: I NEED to change it |
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| 19:14.00 | angor | missmbob: so I want to be sure it has all data I need |
| 19:14.08 | missmbob | angor: yeah. make it unwritable after |
| 19:14.23 | angor | missmbob: u mean chmod? |
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| 19:15.03 | angor | I want to follow system way to change it |
| 19:15.33 | missmbob | angor: that's what i'd do. i dont know of an "official" way |
| 19:15.33 | angor | start/stop script or manual changes? |
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| 19:16.00 | LordThumper | Have you guys got a machine with a high uptime? |
| 19:16.17 | LordThumper | Running debian |
| 19:16.25 | angor | missmbob: once again. I'll add "fake" like to that file... how it looks after reboot? with or without that line? |
| 19:16.39 | chucklebug | Zewwy, chgrp didn't do the trick. That's what I thought, too, the permission appear to be correct. Doesn't seem to be the case, in practice. |
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| 19:16.59 | angor | LordThumper: I had... 394 days :( 4 years ago |
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| 19:17.15 | missmbob | angor: if it's unwriteable i bet with. like i told you i havent touched it before |
| 19:17.26 | Zewwy | unno try 777 make sure that is actaully the problem |
| 19:17.32 | chucklebug | ok |
| 19:17.42 | angor | missmbob: chmod 000? |
| 19:17.54 | missmbob | angor: i was thinking 0400 |
| 19:17.58 | Zewwy | 000? that be dnoone is allowed... |
| 19:18.22 | angor | angor: system will overwrite it |
| 19:18.42 | chucklebug | 777 gives me access |
| 19:18.50 | angor | missmbob: system will overwrite it (with 0400). if it "want" |
| 19:19.05 | LordThumper | angor: nice :-) i think linux kernels need several specific tweaks for stability |
| 19:19.05 | angor | I want to know if system "wants" |
| 19:19.13 | missmbob | angor: is it a problem to just test it? |
| 19:19.19 | LordThumper | I have an old 2.6.x router running for weeks without trouble |
| 19:19.21 | angor | missmbob: yes |
| 19:19.31 | missmbob | angor: with a blank line? |
| 19:19.33 | LordThumper | However I cannot set up machines with linux nowadays and have decent stability |
| 19:19.40 | chucklebug | tip to everyone: never ever ever volunteer to take over someone elses system/network/responsibilities |
| 19:19.48 | chucklebug | :P |
| 19:19.49 | angor | missmbob: reboot will kill all |
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| 19:19.57 | Pavr | chucklebug, unless you're getting paid |
| 19:20.04 | angor | missmbob: line is never blank |
| 19:20.06 | Zewwy | arrgggg |
| 19:20.12 | Zewwy | so it was the dang local firewll |
| 19:20.19 | LordThumper | It's either random freezes file system trashing |
| 19:20.21 | LordThumper | etc |
| 19:20.22 | Zewwy | reset everything and now I can ping like I should be able to |
| 19:20.53 | Zewwy | thanks greycat teraflops and hicks__ |
| 19:20.57 | angor | LordThumper: how's your longer uptime now? |
| 19:21.08 | Zewwy | I'll have to adjust the rules now |
| 19:21.13 | missmbob | angor: use chattr +i |
| 19:21.30 | Jaami | am i in the right channel for debian questions? |
| 19:21.35 | LordThumper | angor: a few days |
| 19:21.40 | missmbob | angor: from man "A file with the `i' attribute cannot be modified: it cannot be deleted" |
| 19:22.06 | angor | LordThumper: mat I pm u? |
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| 19:22.15 | LordThumper | angor: sure |
| 19:22.19 | angor | may * |
| 19:22.20 | angor | ok |
| 19:22.34 | chucklebug | Pavr, agreed. I'm not tho. Small company and nobody knows jack about computers, and I'm barely competent in this stuff at all, lol |
| 19:22.47 | chucklebug | but someone's gotta do it |
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| 19:23.18 | chucklebug | great learning experience if you can look past the raised blood pressure. |
| 19:23.50 | Jaami | hmmm |
| 19:24.09 | chucklebug | jaami, yes this is a place for debian questions |
| 19:24.16 | Pavr | sounds like you're on the short end of that deal chucklebug |
| 19:24.34 | Jaami | chucklebug: thanks for responding |
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| 19:25.03 | chucklebug | sure am pavr, i sure am. |
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| 19:25.53 | chucklebug | jaami, np. folks here are usually super helpful if you can be patient |
| 19:25.56 | Jaami | hi, why this error is shown many times? unable to lock lock was blocked by an application. searching shows it redhat bug while i see it on debian. what went wrong, any idea? |
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| 19:26.45 | Jaami | thats right |
| 19:27.10 | Jaami | i can wait |
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| 19:32.20 | j4ckcom | sudo apt-get install nmtui. Reading package lists... Done. Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done |
| 19:32.20 | j4ckcom | E: Unable to locate package nmtui |
| 19:32.25 | j4ckcom | whatâs wrong? |
| 19:32.30 | missmbob | j4ckcom: it's network-manager |
| 19:32.34 | teraflops | ^ |
| 19:32.47 | j4ckcom | then how can i do? missmbob ? |
| 19:33.01 | missmbob | j4ckcom: replace nmtui with network-manager |
| 19:33.06 | j4ckcom | oh |
| 19:33.08 | j4ckcom | good thanks :) |
| 19:34.44 | awal1 | having my debian vm almost a clone of my debian host, why so my vm boots faster than the host? |
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| 19:35.40 | lizzie | missmbob: is 3.0.101 not newer than 2.6.29? |
| 19:36.07 | awal1 | I dont see my debian booting faster with systemd, I think with sysvinit it was booting faster. |
| 19:36.27 | awal1 | only shutdown is faster with systemd vs sysvinit |
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| 19:38.54 | gebruiker | how do I complete purge a desktop environment? i.e xfce |
| 19:39.29 | nkuttler | gebruiker: find the config dir and rename it |
| 19:39.36 | nkuttler | gebruiker: or do you mean the packages? |
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| 19:40.24 | missmbob | lizzie: found it. 3.12 (4.2 if you want 4.2 unified cgroup hierarchy support) https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/README |
| 19:40.54 | lizzie | ok, I see. so it'll come down to whether I can even find a kernel that new for my phone |
| 19:40.58 | lizzie | thanks! |
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| 19:41.25 | gebruiker | nkuttler: package |
| 19:41.27 | gebruiker | s |
| 19:41.39 | teraflops | awal1: idk if systemd is about booting faster, anyway it's hard to compare unless you have same exact systems(HW) and services one with systemd and the other running sysvinit |
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| 19:43.09 | awal1 | teraflops, I don't use sysvinit now, so not possible to compare boot time/services, but people say it's faster... |
| 19:43.25 | Pavr | awal1, it also depends on where you start timing. if you're including your physical computers bois loading device discovery and whatnot in the boot time you might get a case where a vm boots faster |
| 19:43.35 | teraflops | awal1: ah people say a lot of things⦠|
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| 19:43.59 | nkuttler | gebruiker: if you remove xfce4 the deps should be listed as autoremovable |
| 19:44.00 | lizzie | a vm should *usually* boot faster |
| 19:44.04 | lizzie | there's less actual work to do |
| 19:44.09 | towo` | gebruiker, apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/xfce/{ print $2 }')? |
| 19:44.10 | tomcres1 | People say 640K is all we'll ever really need |
| 19:44.13 | Pavr | was what i meant yes. |
| 19:44.16 | nkuttler | gebruiker: other than that, find the lowest level xfce-related lib |
| 19:44.18 | teraflops | awal1: logs or it didn't happened |
| 19:44.48 | awal1 | Pavr, bios device discovery? |
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| 19:44.59 | Pavr | device discovery |
| 19:45.06 | Pavr | bios loading |
| 19:45.13 | awal1 | ah, ok |
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| 19:45.32 | missmbob | searching for floppy disks :P |
| 19:45.43 | Pavr | i miss that sound |
| 19:46.25 | awal1 | teraflops, boot is only fast without DM :P |
| 19:47.05 | Pavr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c52JQHVVqFM |
| 19:47.11 | Pavr | /offtopic end |
| 19:47.58 | teraflops | awal1: hmm I made tests and this very laptop boots faster using gdm than autologin to tty and startx from .*profile |
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| 19:48.32 | awal1 | n4dir, vim (gvim) is perfect for have two files in one window (vertical split), but I have to learn about how to use vim (I just know the basis) |
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| 19:49.42 | tomcres1 | !start an editor war |
| 19:49.42 | dpkg | zile sucks. |
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| 19:50.01 | awal1 | teraflops, in my case, I think it's a matter of services, I have many security related software |
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| 19:53.21 | missmbob | Pavr: never had so much free time in my life. pretty great |
| 19:53.50 | teraflops | awal1: I did not make the test on debian machine but if you're curious gdm â https://ptpb.pw/KMMD.svg - autologin to tty and startx from .zprofile â https://ptpb.pw/1wIt.svg |
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| 19:57.10 | awal1 | teraflops, interesting. me = 38.777s :P |
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| 20:00.14 | teraflops | awal1: it does not mean anything, unless youre getting issues with some services |
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| 20:01.05 | teraflops | systemd-analyze blame and systemctl --failed are good start points |
| 20:01.13 | teraflops | starting* |
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| 20:02.56 | awal1 | I know yeah, I may disable some services I don't really need |
| 20:04.05 | teraflops | doing btrfs does not help here because it's not the fastest fs ⦠|
| 20:04.19 | awal1 | kate have support for splitting, but too much kde stuff |
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| 20:09.19 | missmbob | btrfs had awful performance for me with encryption |
| 20:09.42 | teraflops | missmbob: ssd? |
| 20:09.48 | missmbob | teraflops: yeah |
| 20:09.56 | teraflops | hmm weird |
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| 20:10.20 | missmbob | teraflops: ext4 was easily 4x faster. so i reformated |
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| 20:10.56 | dontknow | missmbob, your cpu has AES instruction set? |
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| 20:11.28 | missmbob | dontknow: what does that matter when comparing ext4 vs btrfs? |
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| 20:12.51 | dontknow | i just wondered. maybe it is affected with file system somehow |
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| 20:13.35 | simonpatapon | Hi, I have a VPS with debian 8.7, There is a lot of sshd sshd defunct processes,I try to restart ssh but i get an errorwith D-Bus connection, any help would be apreciated http://pastebin.com/JkUq76Jm |
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| 20:39.18 | Walex | simonpatapon: probably something happened, like running out of memory, that killed a few core system services. Probably related to 'systemd', which I am not fdamiliar with |
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| 20:40.07 | Walex | Btrfs works better with 'crc32c' acceleration |
| 20:40.12 | chucklebug | Zewwy, sorry, went afk for a while. still having trouble but i'm going to check out some other sources. just wanted to say thanks for your help earlier. |
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| 20:41.17 | Zewwy | yeah no prob best of luck, hope you figure it out |
| 20:41.22 | Zewwy | 777 didn't work? |
| 20:41.26 | Walex | missmbob: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Btrfs#Checksum_hardware_acceleration |
| 20:42.08 | missmbob | Walex: yes. |
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| 20:44.08 | ilCyx86_64 | I have a special purpose VM that needs to run what is essentially a game. Only the minimal packages are installed for a graphical environment, namely xorg. In the game, I don't have a mouse cursor, and it's really annoying. Any ideas how to get a cursor? |
| 20:44.37 | ilCyx86_64 | On my other systems, there is normally a cursor in-game |
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| 20:46.17 | Walex | you may need a VM mouse cursors driver in X |
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| 20:48.12 | abrotman | the xorg package should include that |
| 20:49.35 | ilCyx86_64 | Anything that needs to be configured? |
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| 20:50.04 | missmbob | see your xorg log? |
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| 20:50.12 | dean___ | ilCyx86_64: Was the game created in the unity game engine by any chance? |
| 20:50.35 | ilCyx86_64 | No, I should mention the game is TORCS |
| 20:52.00 | ilCyx86_64 | Apparently uses GLUT for input/window management |
| 20:53.33 | abrotman | TORCS! |
| 20:53.41 | abrotman | There's a game I haven't heard mentioned in a long time |
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| 20:54.04 | ilCyx86_64 | Believe it or not, I'm actually using it for academic purposes |
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| 21:03.15 | maziar | guys please help, I deleted my passwd, and now i can not SSH to sever , even I can not login locally ! |
| 21:03.30 | greycat | dpkg, i forgot root's password |
| 21:03.30 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 21:04.37 | maziar | dpkg I deleted my passwd |
| 21:04.37 | dpkg | wish i knew, maziar |
| 21:04.56 | maziar | dpkg please heeeeelp :( |
| 21:04.57 | dpkg | maziar: no idea |
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| 21:38.22 | zuiss1 | lol |
| 21:38.44 | zuiss1 | dpkg why are you so unhelpful |
| 21:38.45 | dpkg | zuiss1: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:39.47 | somiaj | dpkg botsnack |
| 21:39.47 | dpkg | aw, gee, somiaj |
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| 21:48.49 | rocket__ | i installed 8.6 instead of 8.7 - is that any disadvantage |
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| 21:49.57 | missmbob | no. just dist-upgrade to 8.7 |
| 21:49.59 | mtn_ | rocket__: just do your updates and you will have 8.7 |
| 21:50.24 | rocket__ | ok i did |
| 21:50.30 | rocket__ | thanks! |
| 21:50.44 | tomcres1 | No. You'll be up to date if you run apt upgrade or if you installed over the network then you're already up to date. |
| 21:50.56 | rocket__ | i like debian so much |
| 21:51.02 | rocket__ | but i just use the shell |
| 21:51.06 | rocket__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.19 | rocket__ | its much better compared to ubuntu |
| 21:51.23 | rocket__ | no crapware installed |
| 21:51.57 | rocket__ | i also like the root management more |
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| 21:53.33 | rocket__ | and the fact it just contains open source |
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| 21:56.19 | baum | rocket__: you should checkout x - makes it way more enjoyable |
| 21:56.39 | rocket__ | baum, its a server and meant to be one |
| 21:56.48 | garit | Is there a image of already built debian,to dd them on hdd? |
| 21:56.50 | baum | ah, in this case - carry on |
| 21:57.19 | zuiss1 | rocket__: what crapware is installed on ubuntu server? |
| 21:57.23 | baum | garit: yes, can be found at debian.org |
| 21:58.08 | rocket__ | zuiss1, well not on the server edition but i trust debian more |
| 21:58.15 | rocket__ | but im not a linux pro at all |
| 21:58.24 | rocket__ | i like the none sudo more |
| 21:58.30 | missmbob | rocket__: debian has no "server edition" btw |
| 21:58.40 | baum | none-sudo? |
| 21:58.47 | rocket__ | and i know that debian just uses open source |
| 21:58.51 | rocket__ | and ubuntu does not |
| 21:59.06 | baum | missmbob: there is stable? wouldn't a "server edition" be redundant? |
| 21:59.15 | missmbob | correct. debian does not use sudo by default. unless you didnt enter a root password in the installer |
| 21:59.39 | missmbob | baum: that's why we dont have one. just debian. |
| 22:00.12 | baum | which was my point |
| 22:00.17 | rocket__ | i think debian doesnt need a server edition |
| 22:00.24 | zuiss1 | rocket__: ubuntu comes with only open source too. you have to check a box in the installer to install proprietary stuff |
| 22:00.26 | rocket__ | its fine i like it |
| 22:00.31 | missmbob | rocket__: right |
| 22:00.48 | rocket__ | zuiss1, no ubuntu comes with amazon search |
| 22:00.51 | rocket__ | and many other things |
| 22:01.05 | rocket__ | its far from the linux community i think |
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| 22:01.53 | rocket__ | i still use ubuntu on my desktop pc but i will change that to debian as well |
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| 22:02.52 | ellen | hi everyone. is there a way to skip the ram test on installation? I'm trying to get a terminal-only setup on a machine with 32mb of ram, but the installer won't let me through. |
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| 22:04.10 | rocket__ | zuiss1, i think debian is the better way to go |
| 22:04.12 | missmbob | ellen: i dont think that's possible...32 is too little |
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| 22:04.17 | rocket__ | because its more trustable |
| 22:04.29 | garit | ellen: there is embedded debian, project is closed but you still can download files |
| 22:04.32 | rocket__ | more open source |
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| 22:04.46 | ellen | missmbob, so the only way around is to install like debian potato? |
| 22:04.49 | garit | ellen: http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 22:04.55 | ellen | garit, hmmmm thanks, I'll take a look :) |
| 22:05.38 | missmbob | ellen: docs say minimun is 128 (not recommended) |
| 22:05.41 | zuiss1 | rocket__: you do know debian and ubuntu come with free software and the user can enable non-free repos in both, right? |
| 22:06.00 | rocket__ | you cant disable amazon search |
| 22:06.16 | ellen | missmbob, yeah but I won't be using a third of that running only bash and emacs :P |
| 22:06.19 | rocket__ | and debian comes with a limited set of proven projects |
| 22:06.25 | missmbob | zuiss1: not just that. adobe and other packages are in their repos. not open source |
| 22:06.25 | garit | ellen: if you will find a solution, let me know, im doing similar thing now |
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| 22:06.37 | format_c | rocket__, go for Debian and you'll get the freedom |
| 22:06.45 | rocket__ | i already did |
| 22:06.47 | ellen | garit, does emdebian not fit your current situation? |
| 22:06.52 | rocket__ | format_c |
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| 22:07.01 | rocket__ | so no discussion about that |
| 22:07.02 | garit | ellen: i didnt try it yet =) |
| 22:07.09 | ellen | garit, ohhh okay |
| 22:07.15 | garit | Found it a few minutes ago |
| 22:07.22 | rocket__ | i have to say from all OS and i know them all |
| 22:07.24 | rocket__ | i like debian most |
| 22:07.43 | zuiss1 | you're comparing a distro to a DE, but ok |
| 22:07.52 | zuiss1 | amazon is a Unity thing |
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| 22:08.02 | zuiss1 | but it's the main DE so i see your point |
| 22:08.05 | rocket__ | its the standard install |
| 22:08.29 | zuiss1 | you said you don't have any DE installed though |
| 22:08.48 | garit | Why is debian embedded is closed? Seems like there are lots of rooters, raspberi pi, and other simple devices that could benefit |
| 22:08.56 | missmbob | zuiss1: on his server. he said he'd put it on his desktop |
| 22:09.52 | rocket__ | and btw i dont like unity a lot |
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| 22:10.09 | missmbob | unity sucks. that's why no other distro took it |
| 22:10.10 | baum | garit: just a guess: most rooters/embedded-systems/phones are capeable of running a full debian-install these days? |
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| 22:10.11 | rocket__ | xcfe is quite ok |
| 22:10.32 | tomcres1 | I don't think anyone likes Unity - - hence so many forks of Ubuntu |
| 22:11.01 | n4dir | many forks of ubuntu were there long before anyone could think of unity |
| 22:11.20 | rocket__ | what DE do you guys prefer? |
| 22:11.33 | rocket__ | for debian |
| 22:11.39 | tomcres1 | MATE |
| 22:11.43 | garit | baum: probably yes, but not the install methods that are available. Even netinst tries to load whole image when booting, what takes 10 minutes in a vm. Is there another way to install it? |
| 22:11.49 | missmbob | !poll |
| 22:11.49 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 22:11.53 | rocket__ | i even dont know MATE |
| 22:11.54 | format_c | On my netbook I'm using fluxbox and on my desktop running xfce |
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| 22:12.10 | rocket__ | xcfe is really ok i think |
| 22:12.15 | borsin | some users prefer a roll-your-own approach as opposed to a rolled up DE |
| 22:12.17 | rocket__ | i run it right now |
| 22:12.19 | tomcres1 | It's basically an update of GNOME 2 |
| 22:12.22 | n4dir | !good |
| 22:12.31 | n4dir | !best |
| 22:12.31 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:12.39 | rocket__ | on debian :D |
| 22:12.49 | n4dir | just kidding |
| 22:12.51 | baum | garit: uhm, the way i remember it there is an installer option for low-mem installations |
| 22:13.12 | baum | never used it though - could be wrong |
| 22:13.21 | garit | baum: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ couls you help me to find it? I dont see it |
| 22:13.41 | garit | Or a hdd image (not cd), i cant find it either |
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| 22:14.59 | ellen | garit, tbh I feel a lot like installing regular debian with the hard disk in a machine that has more ram, and then tossing the hdd back into the old machine and seeing what happens. |
| 22:15.16 | baum | garit: x86? |
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| 22:15.50 | missmbob | ellen: decent idea |
| 22:15.51 | garit | ellen: i cant do it, i need different architecture |
| 22:15.57 | garit | baum: yes |
| 22:16.01 | ellen | hmmmm |
| 22:17.03 | n4dir | what kind of devices and architectures do we speak of? |
| 22:17.25 | baum | garit: and you already tried the lowmem option of the installer? |
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| 22:17.29 | garit | x86, in a emulator |
| 22:17.47 | garit | baum: no, where\how to enter this option? |
| 22:17.54 | n4dir | and there you got 32 of RAM? |
| 22:18.06 | n4dir | and it is impossible to give it more? |
| 22:18.18 | missmbob | ellen: testing it in a vm for time, right? |
| 22:18.31 | baum | garit: i think it was the menu where you can tick install options/packages to be used |
| 22:18.33 | ellen | eh? no, it's an actual old machine |
| 22:18.35 | garit | n4dir: no, but i have 5MIPS, what pretty much limits me to 32 mb of ram if i dont wait for 10 minutes |
| 22:18.58 | garit | n4dir: its like 5Mhz machine |
| 22:19.30 | missmbob | ellen: why not? then you dont need a machine with more ram. just install in vm then turn down ram to 32 to see if it works |
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| 22:20.18 | ellen | .. |
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| 22:21.59 | baum | maybe this helps: http://peter.korsgaard.com/articles/debian-nslu2.php |
| 22:22.11 | garit | missmbob: im using VM, he isnt, afaik |
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| 22:22.59 | baum | or it won't... |
| 22:23.16 | baum | garit: kinda wondering why he gets the low memory mode page while you don't? |
| 22:24.14 | garit | baum: im using 400mb memory. But i have to wait 10-20 minutes to start a install |
| 22:24.31 | garit | So i want to use 32mb too. |
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| 22:27.12 | baum | garit: no experience with it sorry |
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| 22:33.34 | nullbyte_ | where is planned to release debian 9, this summer? |
| 22:34.05 | missmbob | nullbyte_: when it's ready officialy. maybe a couple months. maybe mid year |
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| 22:34.49 | missmbob | nullbyte_: when that 274 goes to 0 https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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