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10:11.35 | morf | Phlogi: check /etc/crontab and /etc/cron* |
10:11.38 | jerry-ing | Hey guys : installation step failed. Failed step is select and install software. <continue> |
10:12.06 | eject_ck | Phlogi: cd /etc/ ; grep -r "whatever" . |
10:12.18 | morf | or that |
10:12.32 | morf | jerry-ing: no more information about the error? |
10:12.39 | eject_ck | also user's crontab jobs saved in other places ;) |
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10:13.20 | Phlogi | eject_ck: this is weird - i think i got it know⦠/etc/crontab != crontab -e file |
10:13.25 | eject_ck | E.g. /var/spool/cron |
10:13.38 | jerry-ing | There is quite a bit in the debug console I'll try to get a picture morf |
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10:14.36 | morf | Phlogi: crontab -l for current users crontab |
10:14.43 | eject_ck | what's acceptable imagehosting there to upload photo of my screen failing FDE ? |
10:15.01 | morf | doesn't matter? |
10:15.21 | Phlogi | morf: so you never should touch /etc/crontab actually? |
10:15.30 | Phlogi | morf: because thats the one that is used |
10:15.45 | morf | i didn't say that |
10:16.06 | morf | those are systems crontabs /etc/cron* and then users crontabs |
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10:16.29 | jerry-ing | Morf http://www.imgpaste.net/image/dadN |
10:17.43 | Phlogi | morf: thanks I hope it works now :) |
10:17.52 | morf | you put hiend hw to this thing? :)))) |
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10:18.38 | eject_ck | So, I have FDE on disk which works with 3.16., but with 4.3 not. |
10:18.51 | eject_ck | http://snag.gy/JagoU.jpg - this unlock disk dialog. |
10:19.13 | morf | not much to see from those errors |
10:19.37 | eject_ck | With 4.3 when I enter correct password it continues , but stops right after entering password |
10:19.38 | eject_ck | http://snag.gy/N68Id.jpg |
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10:19.48 | jerry-ing | Any suggesting? |
10:20.11 | eject_ck | morf: no errors at all - I like errors much more than silence |
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10:21.58 | WormFood | I prefer no errors |
10:22.36 | morf | you are confusing me guys |
10:22.43 | morf | with those pastes |
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10:24.13 | morf | jerry-ing: it says it didn't find your disk... for whatever reason |
10:24.29 | jerry-ing | Morf http://www.imgpaste.net/image/dkmF |
10:24.32 | morf | jerry-ing: which is most likely little higher |
10:24.46 | Iridos | eject_ck, how long did you wait... could the fsck just not be finished yet? |
10:25.14 | morf | jerry-ing: bad disk? |
10:25.15 | Iridos | eject_ck, actually... as you can boot with the other ... does that also run fsck? |
10:25.27 | eject_ck | I can boot with 3.16 kernel |
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10:25.35 | eject_ck | Waiting for > 10 minutes now |
10:25.45 | eject_ck | with 3.16 it's immediately boots |
10:26.18 | eject_ck | I don't remember it runs fsck with 3.16 |
10:26.22 | jerry-ing | Morf all the hard discs are new |
10:26.23 | Iridos | actually I wonder... |
10:26.42 | Iridos | it's all journaling filesystems today anyway... why would you ever run a full fsck |
10:26.45 | morf | jerry-ing: the os says it can't read from them, so i guess check if they are connected right |
10:26.47 | eject_ck | something missing in 4.3 kernel ? |
10:26.56 | Iridos | but *if* you did... it could easily take up half a day or more |
10:27.08 | morf | jerry-ing: also new doesn't exactly mean they are 100% functional |
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10:27.34 | morf | jerry-ing: you can check the disk before installing |
10:27.47 | Iridos | eject_ck, does it look as if it's doing a full fsck (i.e. disk busy all the time)? |
10:27.50 | jerry-ing | Morf it already partition them and setup lvm and failed while installing selected software |
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10:28.17 | morf | oh well i have to work good luck |
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10:29.15 | jelly | eject_ck: badly generated initramfs, more likely |
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10:29.24 | Iridos | hmm |
10:29.27 | jerry-ing | Restarting the installation is a last resort because this data center boots via pxe |
10:29.41 | Iridos | jelly, wouldn't that generate an error of some type? |
10:30.05 | jelly | eject_ck: after you drop to initramfs shell, verify the disk is visible and if you have lvm below luks, make sure the volume group is up |
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10:31.31 | jelly | Iridos: yes, and unable to find volume is such an error |
10:32.13 | Iridos | it said that? |
10:32.25 | Iridos | blinks |
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10:34.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell eject_ck about debug initramfs |
10:35.19 | Iridos | jelly, oh... but... .... hmm, I think I got the order of encryption and lvm wrong... |
10:35.25 | eject_ck | jelly: how to fix ? |
10:35.37 | jelly | if I knew I'd tell you |
10:35.44 | Iridos | heh |
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10:35.50 | eject_ck | Iridos: it not looks like fsck - it says disk clean as you can see |
10:36.22 | eject_ck | Also same issue with 4.2 |
10:36.35 | jelly | eject_ck: in addition to break= stuff, if you have a "quiet" boot parameter get rid of that as well |
10:36.38 | Iridos | yeah... jelly got a really good point there... I was obviously barking up the wrong tree there. wuff. |
10:36.53 | eject_ck | jelly: I don't drop to initramfs shell |
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10:37.06 | eject_ck | it don't respond to anything at that stage |
10:37.39 | jelly | eject_ck: so force it to drop into the shell. |
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10:38.51 | eject_ck | jelly, sorry but how? On what stage ? |
10:38.54 | jelly | the wiki page shows some other options. I didn't even know about the "debug" parameter writing an output file |
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10:39.12 | eject_ck | do I need pass parameters to grub ? |
10:39.21 | eject_ck | I see |
10:39.24 | eject_ck | thanks |
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10:39.58 | jelly | eject_ck: something around premount ... to mountroot |
10:39.58 | jerry-ing | 1jellydoughnut |
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10:42.28 | lerner | how does blocksize affect encryption? |
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10:43.52 | topyli | i once managed to get the spotify client working on debian, but after upgrading to testing it's back to the libssl problems. i know there's a way but their forums are not very helpful so far |
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10:45.11 | sveta | Can we change the behaviour of apt-get remove? It should remove configuration files if they are unchanged by user, I think. |
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10:47.07 | sveta | That's one thing. Another is: how do I purge a package's config files after I already remove'ed it? |
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10:48.39 | topyli | synaptic lists all those packages for you and allows you to purge them |
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10:49.15 | eject_ck | can I submit bug to jessie-backport (ed) kernel ? |
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10:53.57 | sveta | topyli: just curious, how do I do the same over the command line? |
10:54.23 | sveta | I'm downloading synaptic following your advice. it'll take a few minutes. :-) |
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10:59.50 | sveta | topyli: oh, no, in synaptic I can only mark them for installation... |
11:02.27 | eject_ck | I drop'ed to initramfs shell with 4.2 kernel and opened LUKS with encrypted disk, now lvm sees as expected volumes |
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11:03.51 | donoban | I have a package installed from jessie-backports, now apt-get dist-upgrade is keeping one package back, should I do sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports dist-upgrade ? |
11:04.16 | donoban | it upgrades that package, another 39 and installs 6 newly |
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11:07.09 | topyli | sveta: i don't know, but i'm pretty sure synaptic uses apt for that information anyway, so there probably is an apt-cache/apt-get way to do it |
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11:07.52 | topyli | also, look harder. synaptic lets you select all those packages and mark them for "complete uninstall" |
11:08.07 | sveta | no, that button is disabled |
11:08.41 | topyli | right click after selecting |
11:08.51 | topyli | also, are you sure you are root? |
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11:08.59 | sveta | I did. I am. |
11:09.03 | topyli | hm |
11:09.15 | topyli | weird |
11:09.25 | sveta | You maybe try it on something simple without dependencies, like slock or something. |
11:12.16 | topyli | i don't know what's going on, but i just installed and purged a couple of packages with synaptic successfully. i'm on debian testing, up to date |
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11:15.09 | topyli | (worked for me also on stable, before going testing) |
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11:59.34 | jelly | eject_ck: right, that points to something being incorrect in the later kernel's initramfs |
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12:01.23 | jelly | eject_ck: make sure your /etc/crypttab is sane |
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12:02.25 | eject_ck | I got system reinstalled for now with -testing and without LUKS |
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12:02.33 | eject_ck | for now, will try again later |
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12:04.24 | ehlo_f1re | hello, is wrong format of domain in hosts in case it is fqdn(host.domain.com)? Can cause it any issues? |
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12:06.45 | wfq | hi all |
12:07.17 | ehlo_f1re | my /etc/hosts contains something like that: 127.0.1.1 harry harry.potter.org |
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12:11.46 | jelly | ehlo_f1re: full name should come first, then the short name |
12:12.12 | jelly | ehlo_f1re: so 127.0.1.1 harry.potter.example.org harry |
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12:19.12 | wfq | I am trying to upgrade from Wheezy o Jessie but I get an error with udev package asking to upgrade the kernel first. When I try to upgrade the kernel I get an error saying that some dependencies cannot be met and that I should run apt-get -f install but when I do that I get back to the first scenario (I need a kernel upgrade) |
12:19.27 | wfq | it is a bit of chicken-and-egg situation. Any idea please? |
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12:20.45 | wfq | Sorry forgot to attach the output I get: http://pastebin.com/6gUkwKTK |
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12:23.14 | kedare | Hmm is this normal that when I use mk-build-deps to install all the building dependencies I still miss dependencies after ? |
12:23.39 | jelly | kedare: miss dependencies or miss build dependencies? |
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12:24.19 | dagerik | apt-cache policy librxtx-java shows 2.2pre2-13. what do all parts of this string mean? |
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12:24.38 | kedare | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies |
12:25.00 | kedare | mk-build-deps install some of them but not all of them |
12:25.11 | jelly | yeah, that's unusual |
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12:25.32 | ehlo_f1re | jelly: yes, without discussion. But my question is, can cause wrong format any issues? :] |
12:25.38 | jelly | wfq: which kernel is running right now? |
12:25.46 | kedare | Hmm I think it breaks the dependencies tree... Weird, I have to run an apt-get -f install after |
12:25.56 | kedare | And the missing dependencies are waiting in the queue |
12:26.05 | ehlo_f1re | jelly: I'm asking because system I have to administrate has wrong format and I want to change it. |
12:26.12 | wfq | jelly, 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
12:26.14 | kedare | Well, not all of them... I'm gonna check why |
12:26.54 | jelly | wfq: that's a squeeze kernel. You never rebooted into a wheezy 3.2 kernel |
12:27.03 | jelly | wfq: or your system is not wheezy at all |
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12:27.44 | wfq | how is that possible? |
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12:28.29 | wfq | weird |
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12:28.46 | jelly | wfq: you did not read wheezy release notes at the time of squeeze->wheezy, maybe |
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12:29.14 | jelly | wfq: go back to wheezy sources. then install linux-image-amd64 and reboot into 3.2 |
12:29.34 | jelly | wfq: then follow jessie release notes. |
12:29.42 | wfq | h good but I have already done an apt-get dist-upgrade with jessie sources |
12:30.02 | wfq | what a mess. I don't even remember to have had squeeze at the time. |
12:30.31 | jelly | wfq: ls -la /boot/ |
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12:31.19 | wfq | jelly, http://pastebin.com/jvT2kSpG |
12:31.52 | wfq | so can I go back to my wheezy sources, do update and hen intall the corresponding linux kernel, reboot and carry on with jessie upgrade? |
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12:32.09 | wfq | os now that I have messed the system with jessie libraries this is not going to be possible? |
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12:32.24 | jelly | wfq: hmm. okay. also, "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 lsof perl libperl4-corelibs-perl" |
12:33.34 | wfq | jelly http://pastebin.com/deLL353C |
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12:34.06 | wfq | That is the problem. That perl library is way ahead of the one needed to install the udev library according to the actual kernel |
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12:34.21 | wfq | I pasted the errors before: http://pastebin.com/6gUkwKTK |
12:34.31 | jelly | ,v udev |
12:34.32 | judd | Package: udev on amd64 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 215-17+deb8u3; stretch: 228-4; sid: 228-4 |
12:34.44 | jelly | wfq: which version of udev package is installed? |
12:35.17 | wfq | 175-7.2 |
12:35.27 | wfq | availbble 215-17+deb8u2 |
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12:36.19 | jelly | right. |
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12:37.23 | jelly | wfq: so yeah, add back wheezy sources. maybe in addition to current ones. then try installing linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
12:37.24 | wfq | so do you think I get back to my wheezy sources and try to install the wheezy kernel and reboot the machine on it to carry on with jessie upgrade or is it too late? |
12:37.32 | wfq | ok thanks |
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12:37.34 | wfq | I shall try |
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12:37.59 | wfq | I purged the cached too just in case |
12:38.43 | jelly | wfq: have a live image handy, that system may not be bootable |
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12:40.17 | wfq | same error |
12:40.43 | wfq | I can guess I cannot do now an apt-get dist-upgrade |
12:41.03 | wfq | with the wheezy sources |
12:41.21 | wfq | am stuck |
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12:42.07 | ehlo_f1re | I'm wondering about debian hostname resolution documentation. 'The <host_name> matches the hostname defined in the "/etc/hostname".' What does exactly mean it? |
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12:43.32 | ehlo_f1re | <host_name> in /etc/hosts should be equal /etc/hostname or can be /etc/hostname fqdn? Does it matter? :] |
12:44.41 | ehlo_f1re | in my language "matches" doesn't make sense in this context -_- |
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12:56.38 | kedare | I found the issue I think, the package on the distribution I'm trying to build are not over the minimal version so it just skips them |
12:56.43 | kedare | I was expecting an error or something |
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13:15.56 | ksx4system | how to add positions to openbox menu but *before* Debian menu (there's "terminal emulator" and "web browser" position, I'd like to add another just after that) |
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13:17.42 | moldy | hi |
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13:19.34 | humbot | ksx4system, i believe you can open ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml and do what you like |
13:20.29 | ksx4system | humbot, sure but would it add my position exactly where it should be (between two first positions and Debian menu)? |
13:21.53 | ksx4system | maybe I should simply edit /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml with what I need? |
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13:24.48 | ksx4system | it's system wide but wouldn't Debian menu update (a new app probably) break it? |
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13:44.06 | Psy-Q | do all php5 extensions' package names begin with "php5"? |
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13:48.18 | abrotman | Psy-Q: how are you searching? |
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13:54.41 | Psy-Q | abrotman: apt-cache search ^php5 |
13:55.05 | Psy-Q | i'm writing an Ansible role that installs php5 modules and i was wondering if i can expect "php5-foo-bar" to always be the pattern that the debian packages follow |
13:55.08 | abrotman | Psy-Q: apt-cache --names-only search php5 |
13:55.35 | abrotman | or "php" |
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13:56.19 | Psy-Q | abrotman: hm, alright. it seems the pattern is not consistent then. thanks! |
13:57.22 | abrotman | seems not, though, I can't comment on the naming scheme |
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13:57.33 | abrotman | Psy-Q: there is a PHP maintainers mailing list if you'd want to contact them |
13:57.40 | Psy-Q | abrotman: ah, ok, i might do that |
13:57.54 | Psy-Q | but i'm now wondering if it even makes any sense to create a ansible module for it |
13:58.09 | Psy-Q | because if it boils down to just knowing the package name, i'll just use the existing apt module for ansible |
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13:59.18 | abrotman | Psy-Q: I mean, from an admin-ish point of view .. fewer (more explicit) packages means fewer security things to worry about ? |
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14:01.29 | Psy-Q | abrotman: yeah, sure. and the devs here only seem to need 3 modules so maybe making it its own ansible role would've been overkill anyhow |
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14:02.07 | abrotman | Psy-Q: but we applaud you for your drive :) |
14:02.12 | Psy-Q | heh :) |
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14:15.47 | styks1987 | I have been trying to debug a debconf install error that is keeping me from installing anything |
14:15.47 | styks1987 | http://paste.debian.net/367184/ |
14:16.19 | styks1987 | I have tried several things but the answers on forums do not appear to apply to my situation |
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14:19.07 | bezaban | can anyone recommend a web fronted to git in debian repos? |
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14:22.19 | babilen | bezaban: gitlab |
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14:22.56 | bezaban | babilen: thanks :) |
14:23.22 | babilen | It also *really* depends what your understanding of "web frontend" is |
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14:23.48 | bezaban | babilen: browsing is the main requirement really. For 'technical staff' who think they are technical staff ;) |
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14:24.33 | bezaban | dev will be using something integrated in an ide I assume, and personally I'll be using the command line client |
14:24.53 | bezaban | and salt :) |
14:25.13 | canvon | bezaban: then gitweb might suffice? |
14:25.23 | babilen | https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Interfaces,_frontends,_and_tools#Web_Interfaces has a long list .. if you just want browsing then cgit is probably what you want |
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14:26.32 | babilen | bezaban: Do you want it to manage your repositories also or are you really just looking for a tool that allows you to browse repositories online? |
14:26.40 | bezaban | canvon, babilen, lovely. I'll have a look at those. The main problem is exactly the long list |
14:27.03 | bezaban | babilen: hmm.. might be good to be able to add repos |
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14:28.00 | bezaban | actually, boss says he'll use a client to add repos etc. - just need something for browsing |
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14:30.39 | babilen | bezaban: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/git/git.git/ -- that's cgit |
14:31.07 | babilen | (so much git in that URL) |
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14:31.45 | bezaban | gitgitgit. |
14:32.04 | bezaban | I also notice it is in apt repos, but I guess I coudl just co it |
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14:32.55 | bezaban | ehem. not svn lingo |
14:32.56 | babilen | I'd install it from the repositories on Debian |
14:33.09 | bezaban | right, I prefer to if possible :) |
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15:13.05 | ravegen | Good day. Does debian have active directory domain service like of windows server ? |
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15:19.22 | lerner | do you know of any GiB to GB calculator? |
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15:20.29 | ravegen | Good day. Does debian have active directory domain service like of windows server ? |
15:21.14 | canvon | lerner: echo $[100*1024**3/1000**3] # to convert 100 GiB to GB; should output 107 |
15:21.20 | petemc | ravegen: you can do something similar with ldap and kerberos |
15:21.57 | ravegen | Openldap ? |
15:22.13 | canvon | lerner: the other way is usually more interesting; what when the disk manufacturer says 1000GB, what GiB have I left then? |
15:22.16 | canvon | $ echo $[1000*1000**3/1024**3] |
15:22.17 | canvon | 931 |
15:22.41 | petemc | ravegen: yes, there are others too |
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15:23.18 | ravegen | Thanks |
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15:28.57 | ravegen | Petemc, do i still need to have windows server to run active directory domain service with ldap and kerberos? |
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15:31.17 | ballmer | linux servers can have active directory, kerberos, and ldap |
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15:32.02 | ballmer | the page i referred you to in #ubuntu explains https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto, although if you have debian it might not be what you're looking for |
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15:32.38 | ballmer | this page has info for debian https://wiki.debian.org/AuthenticatingLinuxWithActiveDirectory |
15:32.51 | ravegen | Tnx |
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15:33.25 | ballmer | this too https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/Kerberos |
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15:34.29 | ravegen | Actually ballmer, i dont want to utilize windows so i am looking for linux distro that i can experiment with active directory. Does only ubuntu have this active directory? |
15:34.50 | ballmer | no, you could use debian or others |
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15:36.28 | ravegen | What in particular is active directory in debian? |
15:36.30 | ballmer | easiest way to experiment is to use vm's in virtualbox |
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15:37.51 | ravegen | I am not sure where to start in debian on this. |
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15:38.18 | ballmer | i think there are some training courses that might help, like lpi |
15:38.34 | ballmer | this has more info http://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_8&p=samba&f=4 |
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15:39.01 | wulllst | is downloading a deb src package from the official repos of testing and then building that on stable a reasonable way of getting more up-to-date software when it's necessary? i mean is it similar to installing a backport in effect? |
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15:40.51 | ravegen | Ballmer thanks |
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15:47.32 | ravegen | Ballmer, just read samba on that link. My next question is that i dont see on that link , how do you set group policies like restrict software install, etc. |
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15:51.04 | johnfg | hi folks |
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15:56.29 | WormFood | How do I see exactly how big Linux thinks a partition is? I have partitioned and formatted a 250 gig hard drive, and when I try to write to the partition, it says it's full after copying 10 meg to it. I've erased the partition table and recreated it several times, but it always craps out at 10 meg (but if I write to the whole device, it's fine.) |
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15:57.47 | wulllst | WormFood: well, i'd try dh -h first. |
15:58.07 | wulllst | WormFood: no.... df -h |
15:58.18 | canvon | WormFood: cat /proc/partitions |
15:59.15 | ballmer | ravegen: there are ways to manage those issues within NIS in linux, but its easier to use a commercial product to help like http://www.centrify.com/products/server-suite/group-policy/ |
15:59.32 | WormFood | thanks canvon, that's what I wanted. |
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15:59.53 | WormFood | wulllst, df required a file system on the device, and for it to be mounted, neither of which are true in my case. |
15:59.59 | ballmer | this has info on NIS http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/NIS.html |
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16:00.25 | wulllst | WormFood: ok, thanks for the hint. i was wondering about that. |
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16:01.23 | WormFood | what the fuuuuck?!? Now it's working, for no apparent reason, and I never did figure out why it wasn't working. |
16:02.21 | WormFood | I think what happened, is somehow the /dev/sdxy node for my partition was overwritten with a file, which was 10 meg in size...but still, dd should have expanded that file size. |
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16:03.02 | tremon | WormFood: your /dev may be on tmpfs, which is limited to 10MB |
16:03.32 | tremon | eats an unnecessary and ambiguous comma |
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16:03.39 | donofrio__atwork | anyone know if there is a containerized version of debian (what I mean is a separate container for each debain package/project?) or am I not thinking right? was looking for container openssl container apache container pcre etc? |
16:03.43 | WormFood | tremon, yeah, but that file should have never existed in the first place. It should be a device node, referencing the actual device. That'd explain the 10 meg limit. |
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16:04.18 | tremon | if you use dd or shell redirection to a non-existing path, they will both happily create a file for you |
16:04.26 | jelly | WormFood: to answer your initial question, cat /proc/partitions |
16:04.33 | WormFood | Oh. I bet I know what happened. |
16:04.51 | WormFood | jelly, canvon beat you to it ;) Thanks anyways. |
16:05.02 | tremon | maybe you ran it while before udev created the (dynamic) device nodes |
16:05.03 | jelly | and if disk is in use, the kernel won't see any p.table changes |
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16:05.51 | WormFood | I'll bet what happened, is I tried to write to that partition when it didn't exist. So no /dev entry. When I tried to write to the non-existent partition, it created the file. Now when I did create the partition, it didn't create the /dev node, because it was being taken up with a file. |
16:06.04 | WormFood | jelly, yeah, I'm aware of that, and that wasn't the case. |
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16:06.47 | WormFood | now when I tried to output to the partition, it was simply a regular file, and acted as such, filling up the device to it's 10 meg limit. |
16:07.03 | jelly | WormFood: rm the file, run partprobe /dev/sdX again? |
16:07.37 | WormFood | no need jelly. It's all taken care of now. |
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16:08.03 | WormFood | if you look back a few lines, you can see me saying it's working now. I was just trying to work out what exactly happened. |
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16:08.17 | jelly | donofrio__atwork: what would a container with pcre be used for? |
16:08.51 | jelly | ah, apparently I fail at reading logs |
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16:13.22 | wewlad | hello, pals |
16:13.41 | wewlad | I have a problem with my notebook under debian8 |
16:14.08 | wewlad | it hangs sometimes when I try to open more than ~3 tabs in iceweasel |
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16:14.33 | wewlad | and usually it becomes unresponsive (but the display turns off if I close the notebook) |
16:14.40 | wewlad | the cursor doesn't move, etc |
16:14.50 | cra1g321 | wewlad, checked memory usuage ? |
16:14.56 | wewlad | I did |
16:15.01 | wewlad | nothing |
16:15.10 | wewlad | I usually just turned it off with the power button |
16:15.20 | wewlad | it would normally run disc check the next boot |
16:15.38 | wewlad | and now I've seen it boots really long and there were errors on the boot screen |
16:15.45 | wewlad | like error: { UNC IDNF } |
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16:16.03 | jelly | wewlad: if you have a second computer with an ssh client in the same network segment, try pinging it and/or logging in remotely when that happens |
16:16.36 | wewlad | jelly: hey jelly. last time you've told me that - I tried that and it didn't respond |
16:16.45 | jelly | not even to ping? |
16:16.51 | wewlad | not even to ping |
16:17.16 | jelly | that means the kernel was seriously confused |
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16:17.47 | wewlad | I see the hdd (it's actually uses old-ass crappy 8gb ssd) led constantly ON and the notebook is really unresponsive to anything |
16:17.49 | jelly | it's not likely but do you see any lines in /var/log/kern.log at that time |
16:18.09 | wewlad | can I check that file after the reboot? |
16:18.13 | jelly | yes |
16:18.18 | wewlad | checking now |
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16:18.28 | jelly | pastebin the last dunno 200-500 lines |
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16:20.24 | wewlad | cat file > clip, right? |
16:20.30 | wewlad | or clipboard? |
16:20.33 | wewlad | forgot how |
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16:22.02 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
16:22.11 | neilthereildeil | Xtightvncis crashing on a known bug |
16:22.22 | neilthereildeil | i know that debian uses older versions of software |
16:22.27 | neilthereildeil | how can i update to a newer version |
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16:22.29 | neilthereildeil | ? |
16:22.36 | neilthereildeil | its the bug described here: http://zmodemz.blogspot.com/2014/09/update-to-vnc-tightvncserver-instability.html |
16:23.29 | jelly | neilthereildeil: for starters, which version of the relevant package do you have right now? |
16:24.04 | wewlad | jelly: hey, jelly, could you tell how to clip the file's contents? |
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16:24.22 | wewlad | 'cat file | xclipboard' says error: another clipboard is already running |
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16:24.49 | canvon | wewlad: perhaps you mean "xclip" |
16:25.06 | sh00p | wulllst, I think it can turn out pretty volatile |
16:25.10 | wewlad | ok, thx, sudo apt-getting it then... |
16:25.16 | neilthereildeil | Xtightvnc --version: Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.9 |
16:25.34 | jelly | neilthereildeil: that's the executable, what about the package version? |
16:25.53 | sh00p | said not realizing he was scrolled up a few pages |
16:26.03 | jelly | neilthereildeil: dpkg -S $(which Xtightvnc), and then dpkg -l packagename |
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16:26.47 | Nik05 | Does someone have an idea what could be caching my dns requests i do with dig? |
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16:27.12 | neilthereildeil | tightvncserver 1.3.9-6.5 amd64 virtual network computing server software |
16:27.53 | wewlad | canvon: so I did cat file | xclip, nothing happens, clipboard is empty |
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16:28.14 | start_user500 | anyone who have some experience with dd-wrt ? :o |
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16:28.27 | start_user500 | i know there's the ddwrt channel but all ppl are idling there :\ |
16:28.47 | wewlad | well, I had some experience with openwrt |
16:29.02 | start_user500 | wewlad: oh, maybe u can help me because i think the problem is the same |
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16:29.07 | canvon | wewlad: have you tried pasting with the middle mouse button? works for me |
16:29.19 | wewlad | canvon: I don't have middle button :) |
16:29.24 | canvon | oh dear ;) |
16:29.33 | wewlad | I tried pasting via right click + paste from the context menu |
16:29.40 | wewlad | paste is inactive in iceweasel |
16:29.58 | wulllst | sh00p: ok, so it's not essentially the same as installing a backport in effect? |
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16:30.01 | wewlad | start_user500: don't ask to ask, just ask |
16:30.06 | canvon | wewlad: actually I don't have a third mouse button here, either; I paste via pressing left+right touchpad buttons at the same time. but don't know if something like that is set up on your system |
16:30.19 | start_user500 | wewlad: in short i'm in throuble for running the printer sharing on my router |
16:30.23 | sh00p | wulllst, no if you're building from sauce then you're not getting the dependencies |
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16:30.46 | wulllst | sh00p: i'd execute apt-get build-dep for the package in stabel first. |
16:30.53 | wewlad | start_user500: stop right there. sorry, totally unfamiliar with anything close to local sharing on a router |
16:31.05 | start_user500 | wewlad: on the guides i followed it seems i only have to enable printer support, then is expected there's a daemon on port 9100 running, instead is not like that... with netstat i can't find any 9100 listening |
16:31.06 | neilthereildeil | jelly: should i just install a backport? |
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16:31.10 | jelly | wewlad: eh, you can include a file from the browser on paste.debian.net |
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16:31.24 | jelly | ,v tightvncserver |
16:31.25 | judd | Package: tightvncserver on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.9-6.1+b1; wheezy: 1.3.9-6.4; jessie: 1.3.9-6.5; sid: 1.3.9-6.6; stretch: 1.3.9-6.6 |
16:31.38 | jelly | neilthereildeil: I don't see any backport available. |
16:31.57 | wulllst | sh00p: that's what i always do before, building an app from source. |
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16:32.18 | sh00p | wulllst, I've never used build-dep so I'm not sure what it does, but if it does what it sounds like it does then I don't see why not... unless you accidentally overwrite stuff on your system while installing your new package |
16:32.41 | jelly | neilthereildeil: file a bug report for the current package after checking bugs.debian.org/tightvncserver it's not already there, and in the meantime you may try to package the newer version yourself |
16:33.03 | wewlad | jelly: weird, but no, the site doesn't do anything after I selected the file and hit send |
16:33.14 | wewlad | I hit send again and again and it just refreshes the page |
16:33.50 | johnfg | Even though I have a non-pae machine, running a non-pae kernel, I'm getting this from apt-get upgrade: |
16:33.51 | wulllst | sh00p: well, build-dep installs the dependencies, a package would have without installing the package itself. |
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16:34.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell neilthereildeil about deb-src |
16:34.18 | jelly | dpkg, tell neilthereildeil about uupdate |
16:34.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell neilthereildeil about package rebuild |
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16:34.44 | johnfg | http://paste.debian.net/367235/ |
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16:35.18 | keekz | something up with htpp.debian.net? i'm seeing: W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
16:35.19 | jelly | wewlad: hmph. dunno, use pastebinit then |
16:35.36 | johnfg | This is jessie, with all the updates, running 3.16.0-4-586 |
16:35.37 | wewlad | jelly: got another hang, the system seems to be semi-responsive now |
16:35.39 | wewlad | omfg |
16:36.05 | neilthereildeil | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782620 |
16:36.06 | wewlad | nvm, just an app hanged |
16:36.06 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/782620 in tightvncserver (open): «tightvncserver: SIGSEGV in WaitForSomething»; severity: important; opened: 2015-04-14; last modified: 2015-07-21. |
16:36.09 | neilthereildeil | its already filed |
16:36.20 | jelly | wewlad: if I had to guess, the partial error you showed and disk activity LED suggest your disk may be dying |
16:36.47 | wulllst | sh00p: well, strictly speaking: build-dep tries to satisfy the dependencies for building a certain package from source. which is what you would what in that case. |
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16:37.08 | canvon | wewlad: "like error: { UNC IDNF }", "the hdd [...] led constantly ON" <- that both looks like harddisk error to me |
16:37.18 | canvon | oh, like jelly said |
16:37.29 | wewlad | I think so too |
16:37.38 | wewlad | I just don't get why fsck found nothing |
16:37.42 | wewlad | how does it die then... |
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16:37.59 | jelly | neilthereildeil: oh fun, that package seems to be orphaned |
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16:38.07 | neilthereildeil | damn |
16:38.07 | canvon | wewlad: perhaps single sectors (or whatever an ssd is using internally) are dying first? |
16:38.16 | jelly | neilthereildeil: this is your chance to get into debian maintainership!!1 |
16:38.20 | neilthereildeil | should i just download the source and make? |
16:38.32 | neilthereildeil | haha i am wayy to busy these days! |
16:38.37 | canvon | *dieing (?) |
16:38.55 | wewlad | canvon: I dunno, probably, I just expected the diag tool to tell me that :) |
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16:39.00 | blind | dying. |
16:39.17 | neilthereildeil | jelly: how can i find which version the source package is? |
16:39.27 | neilthereildeil | i want to make sure the bug is fixed |
16:39.54 | canvon | wewlad: have you checked SMART? smartctl -a /dev/sda |
16:40.20 | jelly | neilthereildeil: it's version 1.3.9-6.5 in jessie (which strongly suggests 1.3.9 upstream version used) |
16:40.40 | neilthereildeil | jelly: ahh thats the sameversion which i alreday have |
16:40.42 | jelly | the only way to make sure is to build it and test |
16:40.42 | neilthereildeil | which crashes |
16:41.00 | neilthereildeil | ill get get it from the tightvncserver website... |
16:41.09 | jelly | neilthereildeil: of course. Debian has to ship the exact same source as they're building binary packages from! |
16:41.35 | neilthereildeil | jelly: yea and i imagine the website version would be newer |
16:41.58 | neilthereildeil | is it this website? |
16:41.59 | neilthereildeil | http://www.tightvnc.com/ |
16:42.00 | jelly | neilthereildeil: read what dpkg told you. These are tools for adapting current debian packaging into the newer upstream source. |
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16:42.27 | neilthereildeil | jelly: but you said its the same version as what i lready have... |
16:44.09 | jelly | neilthereildeil: the source package from debian is the same version as the binary package you have installed |
16:44.27 | neilthereildeil | right so i should not get ANY debian opackages |
16:44.33 | neilthereildeil | i should go to the website and get the neweest |
16:44.50 | jelly | neilthereildeil: wrong! |
16:44.54 | neilthereildeil | ? |
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16:45.35 | jelly | neilthereildeil: get the current debian source, get the new upstream source, then add debian bits to new upstream source and create binary package for the new version. |
16:46.28 | neilthereildeil | ohh. this is ALL through debian packages, nothing to do with tightvnc website downloads?? |
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16:57.47 | folivora | I've have my two disks in RAID-1 mode including /boot, other disk failed and i've changed it. All partitions are in sync. I |
16:57.50 | folivora | did create same partition table with sgdisk.. Does syncing new disk sync MBR (grub) ? |
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17:00.05 | petn-randall | folivora: the MBR is not part of any partitions, so no. |
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17:00.57 | morf | well you can clone the mbr from one disk to another right? |
17:01.10 | WormFood | sure |
17:01.22 | folivora | petn-randall: ok. What I should, sgdisk cloned the partitions. How one should clone MBR ? |
17:01.31 | WormFood | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1 |
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17:04.02 | petn-randall | folivora: It's probably safer to just grub-install to the new disk. |
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17:04.22 | lowin | How can I search which for a package that provides a specific file? it can be done in debian website, but is there a program to do it inside the system? |
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17:06.33 | petn-randall | lowin: apt-file |
17:06.53 | lowin | petn-randall, thanks |
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17:07.20 | petn-randall | lowin: or you can use 'dpkg -s' or 'dlocate' if you're looking for the package of a file already on your system. |
17:07.59 | folivora | https://paste.debian.net/367245/ <- I did clone /dev/sdc partition table to /dev/sdb <- How I could see contenct of /dev/sdc MBR and if needed clone it ? With that dd command above or something else |
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17:08.31 | neilthereildeil | jelly: i have completed step 2 that you showed me |
17:08.39 | WormFood | my dd command will clone the mbr from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb |
17:08.42 | neilthereildeil | i ran uupdate |
17:09.01 | neilthereildeil | am i supposed to package recompile or continue to step 3? |
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17:09.54 | jelly | neilthereildeil: move to new tree, see if it builds |
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17:10.37 | folivora | WormFood: how I could check the MBR content before cloning ... |
17:10.48 | WormFood | folivora, are you booting from UEFI mode, or normal BIOS mode? |
17:10.55 | neilthereildeil | i ran make in the new dir. it says no targets |
17:11.22 | WormFood | dd if=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1 | xxd -u -g 1 |
17:11.23 | jelly | make? |
17:11.25 | folivora | Normal Bios |
17:12.01 | WormFood | You do realize you're using GPT, right, and not a traditional partition table, right? |
17:12.02 | jelly | neilthereildeil: run something like dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us |
17:12.29 | jelly | neilthereildeil: (step 5 in package rebuild) |
17:12.40 | WormFood | Booting from a GPT partitioned disk, from a BIOS setup, can be tricky, but doable. |
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17:13.06 | WormFood | If it boots ok, then just cloning the MBR from one disk to the other should be trivial. |
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17:13.19 | folivora | WormFood: it is working just fine, other disk failed today and I replaced it, I just want to make sure that the MBR on the new disks is ok also |
17:13.41 | WormFood | dd if=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1|xxd -u -g 1 |
17:14.11 | neilthereildeil | jelly: dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL=C patch -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B .pc/debian-changes-1.3.9-6.1/ --reject-file=- < tightvnc-1.3.10/debian/patches/debian-changes-1.3.9-6.1 gave error exit status 1 |
17:15.01 | neilthereildeil | jelly: im also getting some Hunk failed errors |
17:15.13 | neilthereildeil | 4 out of 17 hunks FAILED |
17:15.48 | WormFood | do that line on both hard drives, and if you see a lot of zeroes, then that is the drive without the mbr |
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17:17.51 | neilthereildeil | jelly: any idea whats wrong? |
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17:18.10 | folivora | https://paste.debian.net/367247/ <-- seems that the new disk (sdb) does have the same content as /dev/sdc |
17:18.13 | folivora | ? |
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17:19.21 | jelly | neilthereildeil: patches that debian applied to 1.3.9 source do not apply cleanly to 1.3.10. Ideally you'll have to understand what each does, then fix/adapt it if it's important or remove it if the same fix was already applied upstream. |
17:19.29 | Nik05 | folivora the first 440 bytes are the same |
17:19.43 | neilthereildeil | omg what a mess |
17:20.18 | folivora | I am looking that MBR is identical... md-devices are reporting that they are OK |
17:20.25 | jelly | neilthereildeil: this is basically normal procedure, what every debian developer does when they want to package newer version of some software |
17:20.29 | neilthereildeil | i just want a working version of vncserver :) |
17:21.24 | jelly | neilthereildeil: an alternative is to figure out which change merely fixes your bug, then apply just that cherry-picked change to debian's 1.3.9-based source |
17:21.29 | WormFood | It's quite likely that it also copied the MBR over, when you cloned it. You probably cloned the whole disk, and not just the partition |
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17:21.51 | WormFood | neilthereildeil, I have to agree with jelly on that point, based on experience. |
17:22.35 | folivora | I did use gdisk to replicate the structure to new disk, then I added those devices to right md-groups and syncing ofc started when disk came available |
17:22.39 | jelly | neilthereildeil: this mess is precisely why people let distributions deal with it. If you want the newer version to integrate nicely with debian, someone has to do this work |
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17:24.13 | neilthereildeil | linux is def not ready for the layman yet. even after using it for like 10 years... |
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17:25.56 | jelly | it will never be ready |
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17:26.36 | fas3r | hello |
17:26.50 | jelly | hi there. |
17:26.52 | ballmer | linux mint mate and ubuntu gnome are good for new end users |
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17:26.57 | fas3r | How to execute a command 10,10, 100 times simultaniously ? |
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17:27.50 | jelly | fas3r: there are multiple approaches to that. You can use xargs. Or the "parallel" tool. |
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17:29.13 | jelly | fas3r: what are you trying to achieve? |
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17:29.40 | ballmer | zorin OS is another 1 for new end users |
17:29.56 | ballmer | all are debian's user friendly children |
17:30.01 | WormFood | fas3r, for i in 'seq 1 100` ; do rm -rf / & done |
17:30.10 | jelly | WormFood: don't. |
17:30.22 | jelly | not even as a funny example |
17:30.29 | fas3r | WormFood: it does not ... its a loop |
17:30.34 | WormFood | obviously change the rm -rf to your command |
17:30.36 | WormFood | wanna bet? |
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17:30.47 | fas3r | jelly: I would like to execute a curl command to test my proxy. |
17:30.54 | WormFood | perhaps you overlooked the "&" |
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17:31.09 | jelly | fas3r: use a http benchmark like ab, instead |
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17:32.10 | fas3r | it's more about testing the failover. |
17:32.11 | jelly | fas3r: ab is in apache2-utils package. There are others. |
17:32.17 | fas3r | than the capacity itself. |
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17:32.54 | fas3r | jelly: anyway, thanks I will look at it, I just need traffic |
17:33.27 | jelly | fas3r: apt-cache search http benchmark |
17:33.30 | folivora | thanks for the help WormFood |
17:33.34 | fas3r | to generate traffic* |
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17:34.01 | ziz15 | guys hi,does anyone know how i can have this > when ask a user input in a bash script eg echo "whats your name?" read name and user put his name have this symbol next thanks |
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17:35.04 | WormFood | my example will erase your / 100 times, concurrently. |
17:35.05 | WormFood | Trust me. I do this kinda shit all the time. I have wget running 20 or 30 parallel downloads, from a list I provide it. When one stops, another one starts, never exceeding the number I give it by more than 1 or 2. |
17:35.05 | WormFood | and of course, change the loop to be something else. for example: for i in dir1 dir2 dir3 ; do rm -rf "$i" & done <-- will delete the 3 named directories, concurrently. Also slap a "wait" on the end of it, if you want it to wait for the background jobs to finish, before returning a command prompt. |
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17:35.49 | WormFood | ziz15, you want what? A literal ">" with echo? |
17:35.58 | jelly | WormFood: you may want to read about xargs' -P option, too |
17:36.24 | WormFood | oh yeah, xargs. Handy tool. I totally forgot about it. |
17:36.26 | ziz15 | WormFood: i want to be like >(user input here) |
17:36.33 | jelly | ziz15: "help echo" will tell you about the -n option |
17:36.37 | WormFood | echo what is your name?\> |
17:36.49 | WormFood | oh. no trailing cr/lf |
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17:36.59 | phy1729 | remember xargs without -0 kills a kitten. |
17:37.25 | WormFood | yeah, the -n option with echo is what you want, like jelly said. |
17:37.38 | ziz15 | WormFood: i have already try that and no |
17:37.43 | jelly | ziz15: if you're not using bash, "man echo" will tell you about the same option for the /bin/echo command |
17:38.10 | WormFood | you may not be running echo. run it with the full path |
17:39.45 | jelly | ziz15: show the output of this command, and point out what it does incorrect and what you want it to do instead: echo -n 'what is your name? '; read name; echo "hi there $name" |
17:39.50 | jelly | !paste |
17:39.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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17:41.59 | ziz15 | jelly: i run the command and before use put his name i want to have this > on left and then take the user input |
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17:43.17 | ziz15 | jelly: on a new line like this echo "Whats your name?" and below be like >(here take user input) |
17:43.27 | WormFood | ziz15, give us the snippet of code you're trying to make work. If it's special, then strip it down to the minimum that gives you the problem, and share that with us. |
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17:44.48 | ziz15 | WormFood: thanks, read above i explain what i want to do |
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17:45.24 | jelly | ziz15: well, so echo "What's your name?"; echo -n "> "; read name |
17:45.26 | WormFood | echo -en "what is your name\n>" |
17:46.14 | jelly | -e and \n seems too complex to introduce at this point ;-) |
17:46.27 | WormFood | I think you're right. :P |
17:47.30 | ziz15 | everything i try just show me the symbol next to the question but i try to show the symbol below the question |
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17:47.52 | jelly | ziz15: pastebin the output of this: echo "What's your name?"; echo -n "> "; read name |
17:47.54 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
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17:48.05 | WormFood | and my command too |
17:48.12 | jelly | ziz15: which debian release are you using? |
17:48.19 | WormFood | Jessie |
17:48.41 | ziz15 | jelly: THANK YOU |
17:48.46 | ziz15 | i try so..... |
17:49.07 | jelly | WormFood: how do you konw? |
17:49.22 | ziz15 | jelly: simple i should use two times echo |
17:49.36 | ziz15 | sometimes simpler is better |
17:49.39 | WormFood | cat /etc/debian_version |
17:49.39 | WormFood | 8.2 |
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17:49.50 | jelly | WormFood: do you have access to ziz15's machine? |
17:49.59 | WormFood | no. of course not |
17:50.25 | jelly | WormFood: then why do you seem to be answering <jelly> ziz15: which debian release are you using? |
17:50.30 | ziz15 | jelly: right now im on my linux-mint |
17:50.38 | WormFood | Because I wasn't paying attention |
17:50.45 | WormFood | hahahaha |
17:50.49 | jelly | .lose WormFood |
17:51.25 | WormFood | Why don't you ask in the linux-mint channel? |
17:51.34 | jelly | ziz15: next time, please ask in ##linux unless you're on an actual debian installation |
17:51.34 | ziz15 | jelly: sorry if is not allow to ask here about something not connected to debia |
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17:51.59 | jelly | it's ok to ask here if you also have a debian machine where you're trying things. |
17:52.24 | ziz15 | i have debian jessie 8.2 64-bit |
17:52.48 | jelly | just keep that in mind for the next time |
17:53.11 | ziz15 | jelly: ok and thanks again for the help |
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17:57.03 | Devastator | does anyone here send patches for upstream kernel? how do you usually it, in jessie for example, to work with Linus tree kernel? git clone it and compile it after make oldconfig? |
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17:58.28 | koollman | Devastator: I do not send patch. but yes, that's how I would do it. clone and oldconfig |
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17:59.26 | Devastator | koollman I was just wondering how it would be to run a bleeding edge kernel (linux-next for example) on a distro that is stable |
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18:00.34 | jelly | Devastator: there's no problem running whatever kernel you want, as long as it has the minimum options that debian userspace wants |
18:00.43 | koollman | Devastator: runs mostly fines. sometimes there are large changes to the tools which may be annoying, but I never had too much problems (two exceptions come to mind, lxc and udev) with running very modern kernels |
18:01.05 | jelly | not sure what "sending patches" has to do with compiling or testing a kernel |
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18:01.41 | koollman | jelly: it's considered polite to try to compile and test the kernel you've patched, before sending it :) |
18:02.27 | Devastator | jelly because I don't see a point of running a kernel that's not debian official package, and the only reason I'm gonna do it it's because I want to test my changes hehe |
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18:02.56 | jelly | that's quite a compliment for debian kernel team |
18:02.57 | koollman | Devastator: also, use a vm to test. it helps a lot :) |
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18:03.19 | jelly | has only been sticking to distro kernels in the last 5-10 years |
18:03.37 | koollman | I often use debian-backports kernels |
18:03.44 | koollman | helps with some 'recent' techs |
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18:04.17 | koollman | (specifically for my use cases, having recent drbd helps to get better performances) |
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18:04.45 | neilthereildeil | has anyone ever gotten VNC screen sharing with multiple users? |
18:04.50 | neilthereildeil | it might help for colaboration... |
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18:06.02 | Devastator | koollman good idea, but I don't know if I will spend much time setting up the vm instead of just running it hehe |
18:06.16 | WormFood | neilthereildeil, it's not an open source solution, but teamviewer is supposed to be able to do that. |
18:06.29 | neilthereildeil | i thought VNC allows that |
18:06.36 | neilthereildeil | (or some free vnc clients maybe?) |
18:06.48 | koollman | Devastator: it's not long to setup a vm, really. debian iso, default install, next, next, next, ... :) |
18:07.04 | WormFood | it may. I'm not sure. If you can set it to view-only, then I imagine multiple viewers could connect. |
18:07.32 | Devastator | jelly thanks, I've said a few times that when I started coming here asking for help on compiling sendmail in debian potato, someone said "Don't screw with package manager", from that day I only started to use what's in the repos |
18:07.55 | Devastator | koollman which vm do you use? vbox? |
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18:08.01 | koollman | Devastator: kvm |
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18:08.19 | Devastator | koollman I really need to learn it hehe |
18:08.25 | jelly | Devastator: you don't even have to package a kernel to use it. But it's easy now that upstream has "make deb-pkg" |
18:08.43 | pelmen | Hi Guys. I am confused a bout config files for openvpn. I have subscription with VPN provider, and they have awhole bunch of hosts to connect to using .ovpn files. I've downloaded them all, changed extension to .conf and moved them all to /etc/openvpn. I have also created systemd service for each one with the name of: openvpn@server. I have enabled only 1 service for 1 server. But it looks like openvpn trie |
18:08.49 | pelmen | s to connect to all servers on start. So.. should i not be putting all the .conf files into /ets/openvpn ? |
18:08.56 | Devastator | jelly true, don't make me compile it by hand hehe |
18:09.21 | greycat | jelly: does that answer the thousands of kernel-config questions for you with sensible default answer? Because for me, THAT is the hard part. |
18:09.24 | jelly | eh, I had to compile every grsec kernel "by hand" until what, a week ago |
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18:09.50 | koollman | Devastator: something like: aptitude install qemu-kvm ; qemu-img create debian.img 2G ; qemu -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -boot d -m 256 |
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18:10.08 | Devastator | koollman so nice hehe :) |
18:10.17 | jelly | greycat: it just takes care of the building and packaging |
18:10.18 | koollman | Devastator: err, not qemu for the last part sorry. kvm. or qemu-kvm on older debian versions |
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18:10.34 | chachasmooth | $ git-dch |
18:10.34 | chachasmooth | gbp:error: Version 1.9.9-2 not found |
18:10.36 | chachasmooth | what does that mean? |
18:10.41 | jelly | oldconfig is still there for you to deal with |
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18:12.01 | koollman | Devastator: the nice feature is that it can also directly take a kernel image as an argument, and will boot it. although it's been a while since I've used it that way. -kernel and -initrd arguments |
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18:12.34 | Devastator | koollman no worries, I just needed a starting point |
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18:14.28 | koollman | there are other nice features if you intend to do more kernel developpement, https://blog.nelhage.com/2013/12/lightweight-linux-kernel-development-with-kvm/ gives some examples |
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18:15.02 | koollman | and it gives you another way to build your debian disk image... but installer is ok :) |
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18:16.31 | Devastator | koollman I'm basically trying to track a performance issue with an ethernet driver, unfortunately I couldn't use git bisect because the performance sucks since it was mainlined in kernel 2.6.21 |
18:16.37 | jelly | Devastator: there's #kernelnewbies on OFTC, I'd consult them if I wanted to contribute upstream and did not know the proper social and technical procedure |
18:17.07 | Devastator | so what I'm gonna do first is to conform it with latest kernel's api |
18:17.33 | Devastator | jelly thank you again, as always you are so helpful :) |
18:17.34 | donofrio__atwork | what command would I run to query what type of displays I have |
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18:18.11 | jelly | going afk to drown his helpful ass in beer |
18:18.31 | greycat | you're pouring it in the wrong end! |
18:18.37 | stoned | I shall do the same but w/ green things. |
18:18.43 | stoned | greycat: ahahaha |
18:18.46 | jelly | TWSS |
18:18.51 | stoned | plugging alcohol? |
18:18.54 | stoned | That's... new. |
18:19.26 | stoned | I miss simon and jet |
18:19.59 | jelly | stoned: if you're nice you can find simon in -offtopic once in a blue moon |
18:20.04 | Devastator | jelly hahah you should |
18:20.11 | Devastator | it's friday anyway.. |
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18:40.59 | dankeast | is there a way for me to know whether i need to restart a machine after an upgrade? whenever i search online google is returning me the reboot_required stuff which seems to be ubuntu specific |
18:41.27 | dankeast | i know about check-restart / lsof... but is there an easy way to see if the running kernel isn't the latest? |
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18:43.58 | zykotick9 | dankeast: what i can say, checkrestart WON'T tell you about kernel updates... :( only method i know is comparing dpkg version with uname... good luck. |
18:44.20 | dankeast | ah, of course! |
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18:44.31 | dankeast | yeah, i'm happy to script it... that'd do it |
18:44.40 | dankeast | thanks :) |
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18:50.44 | dankeast | if ! ^Came -a | grep $(dpkg -l | grep linux-image-[0-9] | awk '{ print $3 }') > /dev/null; then echo "restart needed"; fi |
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18:50.57 | dankeast | if ! uname -a | grep $(dpkg -l | grep linux-image-[0-9] | awk '{ print $3 }') > /dev/null; then echo "restart needed"; fi |
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18:51.23 | dankeast | not sure why that got garbled, still. i love linux so much |
18:51.35 | markybob | dankeast, what are you doing that you don't know when you do a kernel upgrade that you need a script to tell you? |
18:51.42 | dankeast | everywhere else that'd be some big monolith application that costs money |
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18:52.36 | dankeast | was looking at unattended upgrades |
18:52.49 | markybob | dankeast, for kernel? that's crazy |
18:52.49 | dankeast | seems like the automatic reboot feature might be ubuntu only? |
18:52.57 | greycat | The ! is not going to work there, since your awk command always returns success. |
18:52.58 | dankeast | just security patches |
18:53.11 | dankeast | ooops, good point |
18:53.14 | greycat | oh... duh, never mind. the awk is inside $() |
18:53.42 | dankeast | was trying to be clever since i saw someone pointing out my usual wc -l is unesecary |
18:54.43 | dankeast | there was a security patch for the kernel last week, same version and everything just a debu patch |
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18:54.56 | greycat | You're trying to see if uname -a contains ... ALL of the installed kernel-image package names? |
18:55.02 | dankeast | this is just my home server, if it doesn't come back up again it's not a huge problem |
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18:55.24 | dankeast | ooops |
18:55.26 | greycat | I think you may have the logic reversed. |
18:55.51 | dankeast | i gave it a quick test on my lappy, there's a definite possibility this thing needs a reboot. haha |
18:56.35 | dankeast | i forgot that multiple kernels can be installed, and probably will after an upgrade. i guess a sort / head -n 1? |
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18:57.04 | greycat | I don't even know what you're looking for. |
18:57.23 | dankeast | just that the current running kernel is the latest |
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18:59.15 | greycat | dpkg -l 'linux-image-[0-9]*' | awk '/^ii/{print $3}' | grep "$(uname -v | awk '{print $4}')" |
18:59.16 | dpkg | ii 'linux-image-[0-9]*' | awk '/^ii/{print $3}' | grep "$(uname -v | awk '{print $4}')" 2.6-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
18:59.21 | greycat | Not you. |
18:59.25 | dankeast | haha |
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19:00.21 | greycat | err, meant grep -Fx ... and of course you would add -q when you're putting it into the final script |
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19:00.57 | greycat | I'm surprised, there doesn't seem to be a way to get just the 4th field of uname -v |
19:01.09 | dankeast | i wonder if the * in the grep should be + since there's a linux-image-amd64 |
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19:01.25 | greycat | There is no * in my grep. |
19:01.34 | dankeast | oh, yeah |
19:01.37 | dankeast | haha |
19:01.48 | greycat | -amd64 is a metapackage, so I assumed you wanted to exclude those |
19:02.04 | Circuitsoft | Hi - question. One of my users wants my remote admin password, because the computer keeps asking for it, even though his user does have sudo/lpadmin/etc access. |
19:02.21 | Circuitsoft | How can I get debian jessie to ask for his own password (Which will work) rather than mine? |
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19:02.39 | greycat | Circuitsoft: he's not using sudo. He's using su. |
19:02.43 | greycat | Educate him. |
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19:02.52 | dankeast | yeah, i do... that's what i meant |
19:02.54 | Circuitsoft | No, he's using gnome control panel. |
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19:04.15 | Circuitsoft | greycat: It's gnome control panel/system settings that keeps asking. |
19:04.27 | greycat | As soon as you said GNOME, I'm out. |
19:04.33 | Circuitsoft | Ah. |
19:04.34 | greycat | I know nothing about it. |
19:04.37 | Circuitsoft | Okay. |
19:04.42 | dankeast | i didn't realise about dpkg -l, that's neat |
19:04.59 | Circuitsoft | I suspect that GNOME tries to check for admin privileges, wrong. |
19:05.09 | Circuitsoft | Username is MYDOMAIN\username, and it may not be looking at that correctly. |
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19:05.19 | Circuitsoft | If I run "id" as his user, it does show sudo/admin/etc. |
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19:06.32 | Circuitsoft | Main reason I installed gnome is because it's default for debian-desktop. Maybe I should install and point people to Xfce instead. |
19:06.57 | jelly | what kind of AD integration are you using? |
19:07.06 | Hello71 | that's polkit. |
19:07.13 | Hello71 | install a polkit admin rule. |
19:07.30 | Hello71 | and you should have specified what action they were doing |
19:07.47 | jelly | hell, if they're a member of sudo group, "sudo -i" ought to work |
19:08.26 | greycat | I gather the issue is he's clicking shit instead of typing sudo. |
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19:09.32 | WormFood | People still use Gnome? |
19:09.50 | dankeast | i love gnome |
19:10.12 | WormFood | I thought Gnome died, when the lead developer decided that what the people want doesn't matter. |
19:10.24 | greycat | ,popcon gdm3 |
19:10.25 | judd | Popcon data for gdm3: inst: 60325, vote: 40719, old: 12194, recent: 7369, nofiles: 43 |
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19:10.54 | greycat | ,popcon dpkg |
19:10.55 | judd | Popcon data for dpkg: inst: 187637, vote: 173595, old: 745, recent: 13247, nofiles: 50 |
19:10.55 | WormFood | What about all the others combined? |
19:11.06 | dankeast | yeah, what they changed it to turns out to be exactly what i want |
19:11.06 | greycat | So... very roughly 1/3 of all popcon-reported installs have it. |
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19:11.18 | mtn | dankeast: ditto for me |
19:11.19 | WormFood | having it, doesn't mean using it. |
19:11.30 | WormFood | ,popcon xfce4 |
19:11.31 | judd | Popcon data for xfce4: inst: 24348, vote: 0, old: 1, recent: 0, nofiles: 24347 |
19:11.45 | dankeast | the desktop / window management stuff is amazing, the keyboard shortcuts are really powerful |
19:11.50 | markybob | i'm not sure a significant percentage of people with gdm3 don't use it. that's stupid |
19:11.55 | Circuitsoft | ,popcon gnome-core |
19:11.56 | judd | Popcon data for gnome-core: inst: 53954, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 53954 |
19:12.10 | WormFood | Gnome is the default. I'm sure many people just leave it on the default. |
19:12.16 | dankeast | i feel really claustrophobic in other desktops without dynamic desktops |
19:12.22 | Circuitsoft | Huh. I figured that'd be more. Newer debian-desktop installs use gnome, but lightdm. |
19:12.35 | greycat | "Default" is a vague label nowadays with multiple different installer images. |
19:12.59 | jelly | greycat: there's also a default installer image with default DE settings. |
19:13.02 | drpresident | hey so i know rpm isnt really a debian thing, but does anyone know if you can install a package locally with rpm? |
19:13.08 | jelly | so not THAT vauge. |
19:13.09 | Circuitsoft | If you download a debian installer CD and install desktop with all defaults, you get Gnome with LightDM. |
19:13.12 | WormFood | I can't handle Gnome 3's restrictions. When I tried it, and I gave it an honest try, they couldn't handle dual monitors properly, and the fact they *hide* _notifications_ just boggles my mind. I can no longer look at my screen, and see if there is a notification, I now have to click on it. WTF?!? |
19:13.14 | jelly | rouge* |
19:14.02 | Circuitsoft | WormFood: From what I can tell, Gnome 3.14 is massively better than Gnome 3.0 |
19:14.09 | Circuitsoft | (3.14 is in Jessie). |
19:14.16 | dankeast | is that right? i installed this lappy from a jessie disk and i think i have gdm3 |
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19:14.47 | WormFood | I'm not wasting my time on Gnome, after reading what the lead developer wants, and what he wants, is opposite of what I want. |
19:15.09 | Circuitsoft | I've been installing systems with debootstrap, then selecting debian-desktop. |
19:15.15 | Circuitsoft | On my own machine, I use i3. |
19:15.18 | dankeast | that's cool, be glad we're not using apple stuff i guess :) |
19:15.34 | WormFood | But that is the goal of Gnome 3 |
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19:16.01 | dankeast | yeah, i mean you have the choice to use this os without it |
19:16.03 | WormFood | I'm not kidding, he (the lead developer, forget his name right now) wants it to be like Mac. |
19:16.21 | dankeast | it's not like win8 or osx where you get what you're given |
19:16.33 | WormFood | You have a lot of choices. It's just if you want to exercise that option or not. |
19:16.34 | Circuitsoft | WormFood: Then I wonder why he didn't just fork Etoile. |
19:16.52 | WormFood | I absolutely loved Gome 2 |
19:16.55 | dankeast | i think macs have fantastic desktops, i'm happy with that |
19:17.07 | WormFood | I don't like their GUI |
19:17.16 | cra1g321 | points to #debian-offtopic |
19:17.16 | WormFood | They have stupid restrictions. |
19:18.07 | WormFood | xfce is great for what I need/want out of a GUI. Maybe I'll try the live Gnome 3.1x and see if it's improved since the last time I tried it. |
19:18.10 | abrotman | There's no "lead developer" .. There's a HIG |
19:18.29 | WormFood | There is someone in charge |
19:18.32 | Circuitsoft | WormFood: Also, check out ROX-Filer. |
19:18.43 | WormFood | what's that Circuitsoft? |
19:18.47 | abrotman | WormFood: a project lead? like a DPL? whoa, horrible idea |
19:18.58 | Circuitsoft | Absolutely the best graphical file manager I've ever used. |
19:19.09 | abrotman | WormFood: FYI: https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/ |
19:19.25 | WormFood | I don't use graphical file managers, if I can avoid it. I still prefer to manage my files on a CLI |
19:19.31 | abrotman | Gnome3 is no where near OSX |
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19:20.01 | Circuitsoft | WormFood: rox is the most cli-like graphical file manger I've used. It really mixes the best of both worlds. |
19:20.16 | abrotman | I've used both for many years. Gnome3 is far superior to OSX in terms of usability. |
19:20.25 | abrotman | IMHO of course :) |
19:21.14 | abrotman | It's all very subjective. That is something that needs to be understood when saying "X is crap, Y is horrible, Z is amazing" |
19:21.27 | WormFood | I dislike GUIs for most things. |
19:21.29 | abrotman | Try not to be too inflammatory .. |
19:21.51 | abrotman | WormFood: Right, I spend most of my days in terminals, but I still have to write documents that someone wants to see with pretty formatting |
19:22.06 | blind | And you can't script that? :p |
19:22.11 | WormFood | well, if you wanted to get right down to it, most things are subjective. |
19:22.16 | Brigo | latex |
19:22.17 | abrotman | And I'm pretty sure my manager would be sad if I started doing things in TeX and sending him PDF output |
19:22.25 | Circuitsoft | WormFood: Me too, but for the few times that a graphical file manager is helpful, rox is the most helpful. |
19:22.32 | WormFood | I try to use the right tool for the job. |
19:22.35 | unborn | abrotman, I agree.. it all depends of your screen resolution as well, but nothing beats up openbox.. when you need to be focused on coding or writing the things |
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19:23.00 | WormFood | For what I do, I still prefer a CLI for a vast majority of the things I do, on a day-to-day basis. |
19:23.06 | abrotman | unborn: Disagree, but then again, I was a blackbox user for many years. Back when it was hosted by the Austin LUG |
19:23.23 | blind | blackbox :D I was a fluxbox user for a long time :) |
19:23.46 | abrotman | see, all the same sides of the coin .. |
19:23.51 | unborn | abrotman, I would go with anything is easier for end user.. so we meet our selves there ;) |
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19:24.10 | abrotman | But I'm sure there's something more interesting to talk about :) |
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19:24.55 | Circuitsoft | Now that I have a 39" monitor, I'm really liking i3. |
19:24.56 | unborn | ..is it just me or every older user of debian was using some alternative to DE ? - mostly lightweight one :) |
19:24.56 | greycat | Every window that I have open is either a terminal or a web browser. (But there are some other GUI apps that I use from time to time. Just not right now, not by default.) |
19:25.35 | greycat | unborn: Probably not "every", but a good number, yeah. |
19:25.41 | abrotman | unborn: our 486s necessitated that :) |
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19:26.21 | abrotman | I didn't move to a DE until I had a dual 500Mhz with SCSI drives and a fair bit of RAM. |
19:26.23 | Circuitsoft | I had (still have) a laptop with a 50MHz 486 - actually ran Windows 95 surprisingly well. |
19:26.33 | sambagirl | here is a good question is there a way i can determine the bios level without rebooting? |
19:26.50 | jelly | bios level? |
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19:26.53 | unborn | abrotman, ah im glad that is away meh however my server in home which host my website is running 486 :D. greycat - good old times...ah yay I miss them all the time |
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19:26.57 | Circuitsoft | sambagirl: It's called BMC info - but I can't remember the exact command. |
19:27.11 | Circuitsoft | sambagirl: dmidecode, that's it. |
19:27.36 | jelly | what's a bios level |
19:27.37 | unborn | @jelly - didnt see you here.. happy new year |
19:27.57 | sambagirl | nice command circuitsoft |
19:29.51 | unborn | sambagirl, there is no command to execute on bios level meh - there is command to get info from bios but not on bios level - I think that is not even possible. if I am wrong then I am sorry - but on bios level meh? |
19:29.59 | jelly | unborn: hi! If you didn't see me here, you're not here very often. |
19:30.05 | WormFood | sambagirl, you can also check dmesg, for your boot time messages. It will also give that info. |
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19:31.05 | sambagirl | thanks wormfood |
19:31.33 | sambagirl | here is another question since i'm on it. it offers me at grub boot for low letency what is that? |
19:31.52 | sambagirl | and does it matter if i choose ubuntu over low letency? |
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19:32.15 | unborn | jelly, kindly true, lately I have been busy with #virtualmin - im sorry, didnt mean to blank you meh.. its 22 days now on so I did somehow blind you or something ;) |
19:32.19 | sambagirl | again installed using wubi and i dont usually do that but it happened to be on the dvd |
19:32.23 | sambagirl | so i used it |
19:32.59 | jelly | sambagirl: the available choice of kernel flavors in your grub menu suggests you're using a derivative distro, not debian |
19:33.36 | unborn | loves when user saying those kind of crap :) and then - so I used to it, it just make my day :D |
19:33.59 | jelly | sambagirl: as we don't know the inner specific of every derivative, please ask such questions in their respective support channel |
19:34.58 | jelly | sambagirl: debian doesn't have "lowlatency" or "generic" kernels, ubuntu does and so might distros further derived from ubuntu. |
19:35.03 | sambagirl | well jelly this is what comes up from ubuntustudio |
19:35.35 | jelly | sambagirl: you want the #ubuntustudio channel |
19:35.56 | sambagirl | omg i thought i was in ubuntustudio :D |
19:35.58 | sambagirl | i'm so sorry |
19:36.08 | jelly | np |
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19:37.22 | WormFood | Installed using wubi? I thought wubi äºç¬ is a Chinese input method. |
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19:38.03 | sambagirl | no wubi is that utility that allows u to install while in windows |
19:38.35 | unborn | sambagirl, ubuntu is debian derivate, it may works nicely and similar but it does not replace debian.. I would say anything to do with ubuntu, we may help but you should ask them there.. you know - some stuff from ubuntu (which I am currently on) may not work in debian.. simple is that. |
19:39.02 | sambagirl | unborn i know about debian. i have a game server that i have running under debian |
19:39.25 | sambagirl | i even have run debian on laptops in the past cause compiz works flawlessly with it |
19:39.30 | unborn | sambagirl, nope no wubi, all you need to do is reboot the computer and follow beautiful gui from dc meh or dvd. |
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19:40.25 | unborn | sambagirl, I have no idea about kompiz, as I am not using it since 2009, please forgive me |
19:40.26 | jelly | unborn: current effective channel policy discourages or maybe even forbids helping with derivatives |
19:40.35 | beepie | "compiz" |
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19:41.09 | unborn | jelly, thats good.. i mean for us or for foss.. |
19:41.10 | jelly | let the user get appropriate help in the respective channel. Or ##linux if there is none |
19:41.14 | unborn | sure |
19:42.14 | sambagirl | i apologize again the mouse had me in the wrong channel. |
19:42.51 | unborn | sambagirl, dont need to apologize, you are in great channel, you are always welcome :) |
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19:46.40 | unborn | does have anyone experience with sendEmail? I am asking regards sendmail and sendEmail.. do they work nicely? |
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19:50.16 | unborn | ignore my questions.. sendEmail plays nicely with sendmail.. it does work without interrupting existing environment :) yay great news.. |
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19:50.33 | pikit | hey, how can I create a custom polkit rule to allow remote users to shutdown without root permissions? I tried to create a file at /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/all_all_users_to_shutdown.pkla and also at /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/all_all_users_to_shutdown.pkla with that content: http://pastebin.com/A7J4s4CJ |
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19:51.00 | pikit | doesn't work at all. I'm using raspbian (based on debian jessie) |
19:51.21 | greycat | !raspbian |
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19:51.22 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
19:51.42 | unborn | ...only su should be able to reboot or halt.. |
19:52.08 | Youbi | Hello, I have a Debian 8.1 installed on an arm device, but when I run `manpage ls`, I get: |
19:52.13 | Youbi | man ls* |
19:52.22 | Youbi | No manual entry for ls |
19:52.24 | Youbi | See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
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19:52.44 | pikit | unborn: should be configurable, shouldn't it? |
19:52.57 | Youbi | And `man 7 undocumented` gives me âNo manual entry for undocumented in section 7â |
19:53.09 | greycat | I think I remember something "If man-db was not installed at the time you installed <foo>, then <foo>'s man pages are deleted" but maybe I am mis-remembering. |
19:53.23 | pikit | I mean it says "==== AUTHENTICATING FOR org.freedesktop.login1.power-off === Authentication is required for powering off the system." so I should be able to change the setting... |
19:53.41 | greycat | Youbi: what happens if you reinstall coreutils? |
19:54.13 | unborn | pikit, as greycat pointed we do not support rasbian however as ICT speaking, no.. only su should be able to do this.. if you need reboot frequently you can do crontab within su permissions.. |
19:55.09 | beepie | Youbi, the cron weekly or daily task didnt run "mandb" yet, you can try to manually now try to run "mandb" |
19:55.21 | beepie | Youbi, (as superuser) |
19:55.26 | Youbi | greycat: It doesnât change anything :/ |
19:55.45 | Youbi | 0 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages. |
19:55.46 | Youbi | 0 manual pages were added. |
19:55.49 | Youbi | 0 stray cats were added. |
19:55.50 | Youbi | 0 old database entries were purged. |
19:55.52 | Youbi | :/ |
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19:56.18 | unborn | pikit, rebooting server while users are in.. bad idea.. I would suggest you to use su or perhaps add users to su which means you will loose who is installing what control.. it is not good and for sake of security, dont do it.. |
19:56.24 | jelly | Youbi: how did you install debian? |
19:56.37 | jhutchins | pikit: You could create a sudo entry for a group and join those members to a group. |
19:56.59 | Youbi | jelly: I put an image made from the vendor of my board on an SD card. |
19:57.13 | Circuitsoft | Youbi: Is it raspbian? |
19:57.14 | Youbi | I searched the documentation from the vendor but didnât find anything :/ |
19:57.18 | jelly | Youbi: ask your vendor what they did with apt to remove the man pages. |
19:57.26 | Youbi | Circuitsoft: nope, itâs Debian from olimex |
19:57.35 | pikit | unborn: This isn't a server. It is an robot. Yes I could use a sudo entry. Just thought that policykit would be the way to go |
19:57.37 | Youbi | jelly: good idea ^^ |
19:57.55 | Circuitsoft | Youbi: Ask on #olimex |
19:57.56 | jelly | Youbi: they should have docs on how they create the image. |
19:58.12 | unborn | jhutchins, well said as I advice but he need to know that he will have no control over the machine...you know spammers often ask this |
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19:58.55 | unborn | pikit, yeah I understand - follow my advice along with jhutchins one. |
19:59.10 | unborn | that would short your issue out right a way. |
19:59.17 | jelly | Youbi: while you wait for their answer, look under /etc/apt/ for any signs of tampering with man pages at install time |
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19:59.53 | jelly | <Youbi> 0 old database entries were purged. # suggests something like localepurge but for useful documentation |
19:59.55 | Youbi | jelly: Oh, didnât think about that. |
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20:00.46 | jelly | Youbi: apt has these bindings to call different scripts before of after installation of packages |
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20:01.05 | Linnak | hi, I have Elantech touchpad in my laptop. The double tap doesn't work as right click and the scrolling neither. Which driver do I have to install? |
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20:01.58 | pikit | unborn: ok thank you. But I still don't understand the reason, why one can't create a custom rule for that. Anyway, I tried that rule for enough time, I'll just add an entry for sudo. |
20:02.17 | jelly | Youbi: grep -R -E 'DPkg::(Pre|Post)' /etc/apt/ |
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20:02.52 | Youbi | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf:DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; |
20:02.54 | Youbi | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02apt-get-clean:DPkg::Post-Invoke { "rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*.deb /var/cache/apt/*.bin || true"; }; |
20:02.56 | unborn | its not server its robot - if isnt that server what it is or it could be.. ????? |
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20:03.11 | Youbi | jelly: nothing about man :/ |
20:03.36 | unborn | pikit, for server ? security policy is great thing.. |
20:04.04 | jelly | Youbi: but you donhave a very non-standard /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02apt-get-clean |
20:04.08 | jelly | do* have |
20:04.43 | unborn | pikit, only su should have option to reboot... as I said very well, if you need to reboot server regularly please run crontab as root and it will do the job for you. |
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20:05.12 | pikit | unborn: ok. It isn't a server in the normal way of thinking. I mean it has two wheels. The Idea is that people can program the robot via ssh and also shut it down (without root permissions). They are used for teaching. |
20:05.53 | pikit | Since the robot is mobile (runs on batteries) it has to be shut down. |
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20:07.26 | unborn | pikit, aha, sort of vm machine.. well I had trouble with kind of robots my self, 4 gigs of data in 2 hours downloaded - you know, misbehaving bots and that was for mobile as well :) never mind.. give the users su or do it via cron.. simple is that.. |
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20:09.02 | umbSublime | Can someone help me figure out why "id" and "id $USER" give me two different results http://pastebin.com/gr79sDE0 |
20:09.20 | unborn | pikit, my site is only 68K :) to just mention you how easy it can be missused.. this means crontab for you within having all control by your self.. its simple.. |
20:10.52 | jelly | umbSublime: you didn't log off and back on after adding yourself to the new groups? |
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20:11.18 | umbSublime | no, yet I can use commands allowed only to docker group just fine |
20:11.31 | pikit | There is no way that I'll give the students root powers. I think an entry for poweroff in the sudoers will just work. |
20:11.52 | jelly | well, do that and try again |
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20:12.17 | umbSublime | you mean actually log off ? or just opening a new shell should suffice (because it isn;t) |
20:12.43 | unborn | umbSublime, reboot the machine.. the correct entries should looks like this: http://hastebin.com/obijujekuv.coffee |
20:13.28 | umbSublime | hmm, there is no way to resolve this without rebooting ? |
20:14.26 | greycat | umbSublime: log out and back in, or in a single window you can do "exec su - $LOGNAME" but that will only affect the shell in that one window. |
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20:14.49 | umbSublime | greycat, good enough for now thanks, I'll give it a shot |
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20:17.37 | kion | On Settings -> Online Accounts, what does Facebook and Google accounts do If I give debian my credentials for those services? |
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20:19.49 | incal | when I try to burn with wodim, it says "Errno: 5 (Input/output error), test unit ready scsi sendcmd: no error" - and, wodim --devices says "Cannot open SCSI driver!" ideas? |
20:19.55 | wewlad | error: { AMNF } |
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20:21.10 | unborn | incal, the message it self is saying to you what you need to do... |
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20:21.51 | incal | how do I do that? |
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20:22.27 | unborn | incal, cannot you use brasero or something like that? |
20:22.59 | unborn | I have same error msg too.. but brasero works normally incal |
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20:23.37 | pikit | unborn: got shutdown working with policykit. with that rule: http://pastebin.com/7s59EH1f |
20:23.58 | incal | unborn: brasero says replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD |
20:24.13 | incal | it is a normal CD-R, isn't that supported? |
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20:24.45 | Circuitsoft | incal: Probably, but it's actually hardware dependent. If the burner was made in the last 10 years, though, then it should be supported. |
20:24.51 | unborn | pikit, that is great solution |
20:25.02 | unborn | pikit, also thank you :) |
20:25.04 | Mitzelflick_ | anyone here know the steps to generating self signde cert for apache httpd? |
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20:25.32 | incal | Circuitsoft: can I verify that somehow? |
20:25.48 | unborn | Mitzelflick_, are you one website or vitrual? |
20:26.30 | Circuitsoft | incal: wodim -prcap |
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20:26.56 | unborn | incal, ^^^^ |
20:27.11 | incal | Circuitsoft: it says "Does write CD-R media" |
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20:27.35 | Circuitsoft | incal: What command line are you using to write with wodim? |
20:27.47 | Mitzelflick_ | its a demo box for our website, somedemoname.ourdomain.com |
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20:28.01 | litheum | is there a "right" way to install a bunch of .debs that i've manually downloaded which have complex dependencies on one another and also on packages available from standard repositories? |
20:28.08 | unborn | incal, http://hastebin.com/alowidejel.rb - this is on my end |
20:28.16 | unborn | so it should really works. |
20:28.40 | Circuitsoft | litheum: "cd /path/where/downloaded; sudo dpkg -i *.deb" |
20:28.40 | incal | Circuitsoft: wodim -v dev=$DVD -eject -sao $iso # DVD is /dev/sr0, iso is the file |
20:28.45 | litheum | apt-get and aptitude cannot work on .deb files as far as i can tell. dpkg -i on the whole bunch of them fails because of the dependencies on the packages in the standard repositories. gdebi didn't work out becuase it appears to accept only one package at a time. i'm really lost :( |
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20:28.50 | Circuitsoft | That will result in broken packages, but then run aptitude and it will fix them. |
20:28.53 | greycat | litheum: dpkg -i *.deb; and then run "apt-get -f install" to pull in the dependencies. |
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20:29.05 | unborn | Circuitsoft, aha :) then https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=generate+self+signed+certificate&oq=generate+self&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.4034j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=apache+generate+self+signed+certificate+debian |
20:29.27 | litheum | greycat: apt-get install -f seems to just want to remove the half-installed packages! http://sprunge.us/bjaF |
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20:30.35 | Circuitsoft | litheum: Use aptitude, hit "e" to view resolutions, and hit "." to step through resolutions until you have a resolution that looks good to you. |
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20:31.15 | pi_ | uname -a |
20:31.23 | pi_ | fcuk |
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20:32.01 | litheum | ahhhh i wonder if i forgot to do apt-get update before trying to do this ... maybe apt-get isn't finding the packages in the repositories because it doesn't know anything about the repositories yet |
20:32.56 | morf | yes |
20:33.35 | pikit | unborn: I'll now use: http://pastebin.com/N5C5UCuN |
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20:33.51 | pikit | (just for your information) |
20:33.55 | unborn | litheum, please stick to your apt-get or aptitude commands - it will pay off for your usage.. its mainly just database but when you come to issues - you will have to use one or other.. |
20:34.05 | litheum | unborn: huh? |
20:34.08 | litheum | we have a lot of users who want/need to be able to install these packages without access to the internet from their servers, so i am trying to put together some set of instructions that will allow them to do so. |
20:34.55 | unborn | litheum, aptitude and apt are two different things.. thats what I was about. |
20:35.01 | litheum | unborn: i would happily use either apt-get or aptitude, but as far as i know it is not possible to get either of them to operate on .deb files that are downloaded to the filesystem |
20:36.00 | morf | why... |
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20:36.28 | unborn | litheum, is package locally available? |
20:36.44 | litheum | unborn: i have a bunch of .deb files i've manually downloaded. |
20:36.48 | unborn | I mean as source code or as an deb file? |
20:36.52 | bonhoeffer | i donât have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf on my rasp pi â has this changed in more recent deb versions? |
20:37.07 | unborn | so its deb :) okay then you should be able to install them |
20:37.36 | unborn | litheum, what happen when you try to run them via terminal? |
20:37.42 | unborn | any error msg? |
20:37.43 | cra1g321 | greycat said the answer 17mins ago.... |
20:37.46 | litheum | unborn: "try to run them"? what does "run them" mean? |
20:38.18 | unborn | litheum, try to run deb package means install them.. |
20:38.23 | litheum | cra1g321: yes, he did. it didn't work, but i think that's because i hadn't done apt-get update. i'm waiting now for that to finish and i'm chatting with this other fellow in the meantime, though i think that's not so productive. |
20:38.24 | unborn | or it |
20:38.43 | litheum | unborn: "run them" sure does not mean "install them" in any sense of those 2 verbs i am comfortable using |
20:39.26 | unborn | .deb packages are for install litheum |
20:39.32 | litheum | unborn: just stop. you're not helping. |
20:39.39 | unborn | ok |
20:39.43 | cra1g321 | maybe giving some info about the deb files and where you got them will help folks ;) |
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20:41.52 | litheum | cra1g321: well it's a bunch of packages related to mariadb. i am trying to put together some procedure that can be used by our customers to install the package files when they can't do so from the repository we provide. |
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20:46.15 | popnfloss | libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
20:46.21 | popnfloss | im getting this error when i try to run skype |
20:46.32 | popnfloss | i followed the instructions on the wiki for installing skype on jessie 64 bit |
20:46.35 | popnfloss | but it aint workin |
20:46.54 | popnfloss | im sure its something to do with using fglrx instead of the open source driver |
20:47.02 | popnfloss | but im not sure what i need to change/install to make it find the library |
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20:47.47 | greycat | It would have nothing to do with fglrx. You just need to install the right library packages. |
20:48.04 | greycat | Is Skype a 32-bit or a 64-bit program? |
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20:48.15 | cra1g321 | 32bit |
20:48.33 | greycat | Try installing libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 |
20:48.42 | popnfloss | i did |
20:48.50 | popnfloss | its installed but theres no libGL in /usr/lib |
20:49.01 | popnfloss | or in /lib |
20:49.05 | greycat | It should be in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 |
20:49.29 | greycat | and libGL.so.1 is a symlink to that |
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20:49.45 | popnfloss | theres libglapi and libGLU |
20:49.49 | popnfloss | but no libGL |
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20:50.18 | greycat | $ dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 | grep libGL.so.1 |
20:50.18 | greycat | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 |
20:50.18 | greycat | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
20:50.27 | litheum | greycat: yeah, even after getting the cache updated, apt-get install -f wants to remove some of the packages i need to install... http://sprunge.us/OIgL |
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20:51.06 | popnfloss | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
20:51.07 | popnfloss | diverted by glx-diversions to: /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
20:51.19 | popnfloss | so should i just make a symlink in i386-linux-gnu |
20:51.24 | popnfloss | or should i make the symlink in /usr/lib |
20:51.25 | litheum | for some reason it looks like one of the packages i want to install (mariadb-server-10.1) isn't even getting installed part way. must be this "pre-dependency problem" in the dpkg output. |
20:52.18 | popnfloss | ill just do it in i386 |
20:52.23 | popnfloss | ok that worked |
20:52.26 | popnfloss | thanks |
20:52.47 | popnfloss | they should add that to the wiki |
20:53.04 | greycat | isn't quite sure what glx-diversions does... sounds invasive. |
20:53.21 | popnfloss | i guess its something fglrx does |
20:53.28 | greycat | It's a debian package. |
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20:53.56 | greycat | ,info glx-diversions |
20:53.57 | judd | Package glx-diversions (contrib/libs, optional) in jessie/amd64: prepare for using accelerated GLX implementations from GPU vendors. Version: 0.5.1; Size: 9.2k; Installed: 13k |
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20:56.38 | babilen | greycat: It essentially manages various symlinks to different GLX libraries (e.g. nvidia, amd, ..) |
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20:59.25 | qiau | can I lock a specific network adapter to wlan0 resp. wlan1 ? .. as it is now, the fist usb wifi-adapter I plugin will always become wlan0.. but I want it to be the same each time.. |
20:59.41 | qiau | i.e. lock wlan0 to a specific mac, and wlan1 to another mac |
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21:02.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell qiau -about 70 |
21:02.21 | babilen | qiau: Take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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21:04.38 | popnfloss | is there a way to change xf86audioraisevolume to work on a different device |
21:04.51 | popnfloss | i dont want my volume buttons on my headset to be changing the volume of my speakers |
21:05.00 | qiau | babilen: thanks, I'll check it out |
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21:05.08 | greycat | Can't you just use alsamixer? |
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21:05.59 | popnfloss | i am using alsamixer |
21:06.02 | popnfloss | what are you talking about |
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21:09.18 | tharkun | I tried to see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6aECjnpLTw&feature=youtu.be and youtube complains about not recognizing any of the video formats available. Looking into their page I set it up to use whatever is available but I get nothing in response. |
21:09.29 | tharkun | Is this the right tree to bark? |
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21:13.14 | jhutchins | tharkun: What browser, and what video plugins do you have for it? |
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21:15.07 | tharkun | jhutchins: standard iceweasel And it has the standard set. Appart from this particular video youtube works fine. |
21:15.19 | tharkun | s/standard/out of the box/ |
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21:17.30 | cra1g321 | on chromium it uses html5 player, iceweasel it uses flashplugin, so likely need flash |
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21:20.41 | unborn | cra1g321, is that mean to be help question or answer? |
21:21.22 | cra1g321 | just some info for tharkun |
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21:22.49 | unborn | ..cra1g321 ah i see.. google browser does not use flash.. for more info please google it.. |
21:23.21 | cra1g321 | google browser does not use flash, er yes it does |
21:23.35 | greycat | I've been led to believe that chrome ships with flash installed and you can't disable it. |
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21:23.45 | unborn | build in one.. |
21:23.51 | markybob | it does. but you can disable it |
21:23.57 | cra1g321 | ^ that |
21:23.57 | unborn | otherwise you aint need to install anything.. |
21:24.30 | popnfloss | how do you make the mute button on a logitech headset work |
21:24.33 | popnfloss | its not even detected in xev |
21:25.06 | unborn | cra1g321, well suit your self as you need.. :) |
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21:26.43 | jim | it looks like hexchat in jessie is fixed by the patch from tingping in #hexchat |
21:26.56 | jim | brb, testing to make sure |
21:27.13 | unborn | popnfloss, hi - (as you know humans matter - always say hi) - in short it should work.. |
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21:28.36 | markybob | pretty sure "always say hi" isn't a #debian rule and no old timer would follow it :P |
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21:29.50 | jpalmer | ain't nobody got time to say hi. we're busy people. |
21:30.05 | unborn | markybob, well as we are humans - it would be nice from anyone to say at least hello or hi, otherwise what would be the purpose of this channel? tell me :) |
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21:30.12 | jpalmer | tell me what the issue is, so I can promptly decide if it's something I can help with, or ignore. |
21:30.22 | greycat | It's more of a signal/noise ratio thing for me. I don't expect a tech support channel like this to be stuffed with greetings. |
21:30.29 | cra1g321 | i dont think the purpose if this channel is to say hi to each other |
21:30.30 | markybob | unborn, the purpose isn't to chat. it's for support |
21:30.32 | cra1g321 | of* |
21:30.53 | jpalmer | unborn: the point, is help. support channels don't exist for pleasantries. thats what your significant other is for. |
21:30.56 | unborn | markybob, okay I do got it now.. |
21:31.01 | jim | yeah, works fine |
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21:31.17 | jim | ,maint hexchat |
21:31.18 | judd | Sorry, there is no record of 'hexchat'. |
21:31.19 | d5rg | jpalmer: nice implication |
21:31.23 | greycat | jim: just file a bug report |
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21:31.50 | greycat | (or add your patch to an existing one, if there is one) |
21:32.04 | jim | greycat, there.s not a record of it? |
21:32.10 | jim | ,v hexchat |
21:32.10 | greycat | I wouldn't know. I don't use that package. |
21:32.12 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1; stretch: 2.10.2-1+b3; sid: 2.10.2-1+b3 |
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21:32.23 | jim | there we go... but no maint? |
21:32.34 | jim | judd, maint hexchat |
21:32.35 | judd | Sorry, there is no record of 'hexchat'. |
21:32.58 | unborn | popnfloss, please use xchat or irssi. |
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21:33.28 | jim | greycat, the one in jessie has a pretty bad annoying bug, easy fix |
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21:34.05 | greycat | Is it shown on http://bugs.debian.org/hexchat ? |
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21:34.08 | unborn | jim, if that is easy fix, please write docs and publish it somewhere... |
21:34.15 | gabrielsyme | using linux for the first time, is it possible to upgrade between releases or is a fresh install required? |
21:34.17 | greycat | And "somewhere" is bugs.debian.org |
21:34.18 | jim | I do want to file a report... but there's no one will receive it? |
21:34.25 | greycat | !reportbug |
21:34.26 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
21:35.04 | gobelin789 | gabrielsyme, some distros are rolling release some are not, debian is not. a new install is suggested |
21:35.14 | greycat | The maintainer is shown on the bugs.d.o page. I wouldn't take the bot's output as gospel. |
21:35.18 | jim | is there a way to list the bug report numbers on a package? |
21:35.29 | greycat | http://bugs.debian.org/hexchat |
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21:35.40 | jim | thanks |
21:35.45 | greycat | reportbug will also retrieve them and display them in a pager-like system |
21:36.00 | gabrielsyme | gobelin789: that's a shame but I can live with that, thanks |
21:36.04 | markybob | gabrielsyme, a fresh install is not suggested. debian supports upgrading from releases just fine. that'd be a pain in the ass |
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21:37.08 | cra1g321 | one of the many things debian is actually popular for |
21:37.34 | anonkun | I wish I could actually get debian to install on my pc :P |
21:37.42 | dankeast | hah, like the old joke that the debian installer was so bad because people only ever saw it once |
21:38.20 | jim | "Maintainers for hexchat are Jesse Rhodes <drubo@drubo.net>", does he come on irc? |
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21:38.31 | greycat | Alas, times have changed and now there is a category of person who installs OSs over and over and over and over and over and ... and over on VMs. I don't get it, but people do this. |
21:38.38 | cafuego | ,seen drubo |
21:38.40 | markybob | jim, reportbug will get it to him. use that |
21:38.41 | unborn | jim, I am sure he does.. |
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21:38.59 | unborn | jim, but here... who knows.. :D |
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21:39.11 | greycat | The bug tracking system is the correct way to report the problem and the patch. |
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21:39.26 | unborn | jim, ^^^^^ |
21:39.31 | anonkun | Is there a place where I can complain about the unofficial proprietary iso not working? the free iso doesnt work at all either. For my hardware. |
21:39.45 | dankeast | i'm sort of doing that at work, but i use vagrant so it's more like i run scripts that install vms over and over |
21:39.45 | jim | hmm, I dunno if I saved the patch url |
21:40.40 | dankeast | very handy when writing software to be able to nuke the thing and get it back to how you were, takes the worry out of trying things out |
21:40.48 | unborn | anonkun, debian.com.. is great place to start |
21:41.09 | unborn | or .org... |
21:41.13 | jim | anonkun, normally kernels support hardware |
21:41.43 | anonkun | yeah but I needed some proprietary driver for my motherboard apparently |
21:41.58 | unborn | anonkun, so install it.. |
21:41.59 | anonkun | only the debian installer needs it. Works fine with arch, ubuntu etc |
21:42.25 | anonkun | But when I put in the bootable USB in the location it wants me to, the installer fails to detect it |
21:42.31 | dankeast | debian favours free software a lot more than most distros |
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21:42.50 | anonkun | I know |
21:42.57 | jim | anonkun, so, likely it's the kernel that boots in the installer you're using |
21:43.09 | unborn | anonkun, yeah i see your issue.. still my advice would be install it |
21:43.33 | anonkun | unborn: you didn't get it. The installer fails to detect the driver. |
21:43.41 | anonkun | jim: I see, so I just wait for a newer version? |
21:43.51 | unborn | anonkun, I did get it .. |
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21:44.08 | atralheaven | hello |
21:44.18 | zykotick9 | anonkun: did you use unetbootin to create this usb? |
21:44.19 | atralheaven | how can I install php7 on debian? |
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21:44.31 | anonkun | I used "dd" to make the USB |
21:44.37 | unborn | I am getting off from people who just dont know what they are doing.. :) |
21:44.39 | karlpinc | anonkun: Have you looked at the installer instructions? |
21:44.44 | markybob | atralheaven, you probably shouldn't. but there is dotdeb |
21:45.11 | anonkun | karlpinc: yup and followed them, but the installer fails to "load" the driver during install. This was like a month ago. |
21:45.36 | unborn | atralheaven, sudo apt-... |
21:45.42 | karlpinc | anonkun: You might get more help if you gave details. What hardware, what driver, etc. |
21:45.49 | anonkun | hang on |
21:45.51 | anonkun | let me check |
21:45.53 | markybob | atralheaven, https://www.dotdeb.org/ if you really need/want it. i'm not recommending it |
21:46.09 | jim | anonkun, what are you trying to do, test debian? |
21:46.19 | anonkun | I'm trying to install it |
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21:46.45 | dankeast | there's an unofficial iso with all the proprietary packages on it somewhere... |
21:47.06 | markybob | cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
21:47.35 | atralheaven | markybob: why? I just wanted to learn it |
21:47.43 | zykotick9 | dankeast: markybob anonkun started off by asking where to file bugs about the unofficial... then mentioned the regular debian image didn't work either. |
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21:47.54 | markybob | !dpkg tell atralheaven about dotdeb |
21:47.59 | jim | anonkun, I noted with interest that you're aware of other dists whose installers work... is it possible you can find out the differences? |
21:48.04 | dankeast | ahhh, sorry. i'll be quiet |
21:48.20 | anonkun | jim: I would like to. Because I really like debian and want it to be my main distro, what should I do? |
21:48.33 | anonkun | I'll boot up the installer again and take pics of the errors. |
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21:48.49 | markybob | atralheaven, their packages have...had problems in the past |
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21:49.28 | atralheaven | markybob: oh I thought you don't recommend version 7 of php |
21:50.03 | atralheaven | markybob: so php is fine, just this package may not be ok, right? |
21:50.12 | unborn | gobelin789, shit disk :) you should be on ssd at least.. 500gigs.. |
21:50.19 | markybob | atralheaven, yes |
21:50.50 | atralheaven | markybob: thanks! is there any better way to install it? |
21:50.53 | jim | anonkun, I do too, I wonder if you could debootstrap from a working dist and then install a working kernel... (with the proviso that you can find out which installable kernel does work on your hardware) |
21:51.16 | markybob | atralheaven, not that i'm aware of |
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21:51.38 | tharkun | cra1g321: no it is totally html5 compliant. It is firefox rebranded. |
21:51.49 | atralheaven | thanks! |
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21:52.24 | jim | anonkun, there are some holes in my thinkiing about this, particularly I don't know how you'd find out |
21:52.25 | tharkun | greycat: chrome is a piece of ... but for other aspects. Not relevant to this discussion |
21:52.37 | anonkun | jim: im on linuxmint, its possible to install debian without losing my data( I mean i hve it backed up but..) |
21:52.47 | gobelin789 | unborn, i'm on ssd |
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21:53.10 | jim | it's vaguely possible you could debootstrap into a chroot |
21:53.24 | karlpinc | anonkun: Depends on what "your data" is. If you have a separate home partition you can install and not touch that, then mount it. |
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21:53.43 | anonkun | I don't have a separate home partition :( |
21:54.02 | unborn | gobelin789, im on same machine - I guess you noted the speed however bigger hdd is better.. |
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21:54.46 | karlpinc | anonkun: So long as you've extra space you can install. It's just a matter of how. You may need to shrink your existing partions to make room. (Be sure to shrink the filesystems first (!) or use a tool that does all this for you.) |
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21:55.21 | anonkun | karlpinc: I don't have LVM, I can still shrink the partition? |
21:55.30 | markybob | anonkun most people don't have that much in /home...you should be able to copy it all to a usb stick |
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21:56.06 | markybob | unless your running a download seed box or something |
21:56.11 | karlpinc | anonkun: Yes. Filesystems can be shrunk, then the partition shrunk to fit. But markybob's suggestion is better. |
21:56.21 | anonkun | markybob: I already have backups of most my configs, but its still painful to reinstall all the stuff I have, since i keep data in my videos, pictures and other folders, which adds up to quite a bit when I have to reinstall all my apps too. |
21:57.20 | karlpinc | anonkun: Configs are often awkward. They are sometimes not compatible across software versions. Going backwards to an earlier version is especially troublesome. |
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21:57.50 | unborn | markybob, that is wrong.. novadays is different.. how can I copy 400gigs to usb stick - is there any usb stick like that? - im just running few vms and have about 100gigs of documents.. rest is downloads..... |
21:57.59 | karlpinc | anonkun: You have any unallocated disk space? |
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21:58.35 | anonkun | karlpinc: sadly, nope. Was too lazy during my initial install and have some regrets about that. No LVM and no separate /home. |
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21:58.56 | markybob | unborn, in that case you almost certainly want to copy it to an external disk (likely via usb) rather than shrink/resize things. but thanks |
21:59.11 | anonkun | karlpinc: but I do have a lot of "free space" |
21:59.46 | unborn | markybob, yeah - correct.. |
21:59.54 | karlpinc | anonkun: So shrink the fs, then shrink the partition. I always feel more comfortable doing that while booted off a cd or something so you're not resizing a mounted filesystem. I never have any trouble growing, but I've not looked into what shrinks when mounted and what does not. |
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22:00.20 | anonkun | karlpinc: does gparted do this? |
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22:01.01 | unborn | anonkun, yes |
22:01.19 | karlpinc | anonkun: I think so... could be wrong. I always use resize2fs, then the partioning tool. |
22:01.25 | anonkun | ill make a bootable gparted pendrive and try it. |
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22:05.38 | engys | Hi, is there any way to disable the gnome compositor to stop video tearing in iceweasel? I try to find anything but what I have read so far is that mutter has no feature to disable the compositor. |
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22:14.26 | tharkun | Some time ago we had a big space crunch and a string shoe budget to solve it, so I resorted to switching from gzip to xz for compression purposses. We survived but it seems this year we will get a new SAN server to play with. What compressor is the one that gives the best relation between size and time spent compressing. That is a parameter not easily obtainable without doing some extensive checking. I am willing to risk the common knowledge to get a good |
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22:15.28 | markybob | tharkun, i'd still use xz |
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22:16.41 | tharkun | markybob: Why so if compression time has been linearly growing since we began the process? |
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22:18.05 | dnor | Once youâve seen it, you wouldnât look at the Debian logo quite the same way again. http://i.imgur.com/dimBu3z.jpg |
22:18.08 | markybob | tharkun, gnu coreutils, debian, opensuse, fedora, arch, slackware, gentoo, linux kernel...all use xz. but if you think you know better...feel free |
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22:20.22 | tharkun | markybob: I didn't know about that but thanks for the heads up :) |
22:21.41 | karlpinc | markybob: xz is different from other compression approaches in it's memory requirements etc. In the end "it all depends". |
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22:22.44 | markybob | sure it depends. i gave a response with the information given. |
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22:28.00 | jhutchins | There are some good compression benchmark tests posted to the web. |
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22:28.18 | Merovoth | Anyone know if there are any bug fixes for gedit under Win 8? |
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22:28.49 | simonlnu | ask the gnome folks |
22:29.06 | Merovoth | Thanks |
22:29.10 | kion | <PROTECTED> |
22:29.22 | simonlnu | ? |
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22:30.10 | markybob | Merovoth, no. gnome on windows hasn't been updated since 2.30, 2014-05-09. latest is 3.19.3 2016-01-19 |
22:30.49 | simonlnu | kion: debian doesn't ever see those.... |
22:31.09 | markybob | kion, i'm assuming you're using ubuntu? |
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22:31.16 | Merovoth | markybob: I don't know about putting gnome on Windows. I just have - I guess - a ported version of Gedit. |
22:31.29 | kion | simonlnu, I meant my linux box... |
22:31.30 | Merovoth | It's an .exe. |
22:31.40 | markybob | Merovoth, i meant gedit. |
22:31.47 | Merovoth | Ok |
22:31.55 | kion | markybob, No, I moved on, and stopped using ubuntu this year, now I am fully on debian |
22:32.35 | simonlnu | kion: is this like gnome or kde or whatever? check your home dir, in .gnome and .kde |
22:32.35 | Merovoth | There's a weird clipboard issue with Gedit that I haven't seen in previous versions of Windows. The clipboard contents don't always transfer to other Windows applications. |
22:32.36 | kion | markybob, and very happy with the change so far. btw |
22:32.57 | Merovoth | Going from Gedit to Windows programs. |
22:33.01 | simonlnu | Merovoth: i've seen this before on windows gtk apps |
22:33.24 | Merovoth | simonlnu: do you know any way to fix it? |
22:33.58 | simonlnu | nope. put up with it is what i used to do. |
22:34.01 | kion | simonlnu, I was just wandering what functionality my debian box would have If I go on and put my FB credentials under the Online Accounts configuration |
22:34.10 | simonlnu | (*REALLY* OT FYI) |
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22:34.43 | Merovoth | Crap. I love using Gedit. Beats the hell out of Notepad, too. Thanks, anyway. |
22:34.55 | simonlnu | kion: your box being to auto-login to fb? doesn't add very much IMO :) |
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22:35.02 | simonlnu | Merovoth: notepad++ |
22:35.18 | simonlnu | decent replacement |
22:35.19 | Merovoth | Is that Linux or Windows? |
22:35.26 | simonlnu | windows |
22:35.34 | markybob | Merovoth, windows. it's pretty good |
22:35.36 | simonlnu | supports winxp to 10 |
22:35.50 | Merovoth | Is it online, somewhere? I'll find it. |
22:36.01 | Merovoth | And, is it anything like Gedit? |
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22:36.21 | Merovoth | Or, like a Linux editor, period? |
22:38.12 | markybob | Merovoth, i wouldn't go that far...but it probably is your best windows alternative |
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22:38.55 | Merovoth | markybob: Ok. I'll look for it. This clipboard problem is driving me crazy. It doesn't do it all of the time, either. |
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22:59.54 | Finetundra | can someone help me with ndiswrapper? |
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23:01.47 | awal1 | With recent updates, Iceweasel have a new feature in config---» privacy about "tracking" and 'disconnectme'. What happens exactly here? Iceeweasel is all the time connected to disconnectme servers/website or what? Any privacy concern? |
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23:04.05 | ravegen | If i use samba, do i need windows server still to do active directory group policy? |
23:04.09 | awal1 | I have noticied that some websites loads slowely since that new feature. A choice between being tracked+fast browsing or not tracked (who knows if thats really true" and slow browsing? :):):( |
23:04.36 | beepie | ravegen, 'active directory' can work with winbind or ldap |
23:04.53 | beepie | ravegen, there's also 'adam' |
23:05.03 | beepie | ravegen, but you should consult this with your MS documentation |
23:05.25 | allizom | awal1: actually if you using tracking protection webpages should load faster |
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23:05.51 | allizom | do you use private browsing windows? which version of iceweasel? |
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23:07.03 | ravegen | Beepie, why consult with ms documentation? |
23:07.16 | awal1 | allizom: right, thats what should occur, but in some websites, the contrary happens... |
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23:08.20 | ravegen | Beepie, does that mean i still need windows server to work with active directory? |
23:08.29 | beepie | ravegen, yes |
23:08.36 | awal1 | Hmmm, I'm in sid machine. iceweasel 43+. I use custom settings/personalized iceweasel config, allizom |
23:08.51 | beepie | ravegen, but there are 'extensions' /plugins whatever MS calls it so it can work with non-active directory (unix/linux) servers |
23:09.20 | quantic | beepie: That's not entirely accurate. |
23:09.32 | beepie | quantic, it's not supposed to be. |
23:09.36 | quantic | ravegen: Some Googling will find you information on Samba's capabilities around GPOs and whatnot. |
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23:10.17 | quantic | ravegen: But, in short, Samba4 does support group policies. I've never implemented it, but it does claim the capability. |
23:10.22 | beepie | quantic, that's wrong. he wants integration with "AD" -- this is in MS documentaiton. |
23:10.25 | beepie | . |
23:10.39 | quantic | beepie: That's not what he asked at all. |
23:10.47 | ravegen | Quantic, i want to know exactly if i can do active directory without windows server. |
23:10.48 | quantic | beepie: "Do I need Windows Server to do AD group policy." |
23:10.58 | quantic | beepie: The answer to that exact question is no. |
23:11.00 | allizom | awal1, I see |
23:11.16 | beepie | ravegen, "AD" is "Windows server" after Windows Server 2003 |
23:11.17 | quantic | ravegen: With ALL of AD's capabilities, no. Group policies, specifically, yes. |
23:11.44 | quantic | AD is a Windows Server role. They are not synonymous. |
23:11.55 | quantic | But that's drastically off topic for #debian. |
23:12.06 | quantic | ravegen: Go forth and Google, and good luck. |
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23:12.30 | beepie | they are very quite synonmous when talked about loosely. and of course obviously off-topic. AD-integration with "unix" is well documented. |
23:12.40 | awal1 | allizom: private browsing is just a myth, it's only related to no save history, cookies...", something like that |
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23:12.41 | quantic | beepie: No, they are not synonymous. End of story. |
23:13.08 | beepie | quantic, no need to stretch cluelessness. He is confused himself. "MS" documentation that is. over. |
23:13.10 | ravegen | Im not totally knowing on AD but what i want to achieve is to create domain user and control them with group policies like prevent them to software installs, certain websites, etc. |
23:13.35 | beepie | ravegen, the equivalent is using "LDAP" on unix/linux. |
23:13.49 | allizom | awal1: I know, it's just that in 43 tracking protection can only be enabled for private windows from Preferences |
23:13.56 | beepie | ravegen, i mentioned this. Look into that. I also mentioned "ADAM"(MS documentation). You have to look online on this. |
23:14.05 | quantic | ravegen: That's not really a topic for #debian, but you can likely find more effective support elsewhere. |
23:14.27 | quantic | ravegen: #samba, for instance. |
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23:15.00 | ravegen | Quantic, so it has specific channel. Ok. |
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23:15.26 | ravegen | Beepie, ldap, adam, ok. |
23:15.30 | awal1 | allizom: that's what I see in iceweasel settings yeah, but seems that it's enabled in normal windows, not only in private windows, |
23:15.31 | ravegen | Tnx guys |
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23:17.43 | allizom | awal1: do you have privacy.trackingprotection.enabled set to true? |
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23:18.32 | allizom | the prefs for this feature are explained in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Tracking_protection |
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23:19.28 | awal1 | Yes enabled, but in the configs it says that it's for private windows . Probably I'm wrong, probably it's not iceweasel concern but adblock/noscript interfering since there new updates. I'll check what happens closely. Excuse my possible mistake, allizom |
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23:19.57 | awal1 | allizom: are you using v. 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1 ? |
23:20.06 | awal1 | the stable one |
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23:20.32 | allizom | the stable one does not have this feature at all |
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23:21.31 | awal1 | this new feature is present since v. 43+ I think so |
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23:23.54 | allizom | awal1: 42 FTR https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/42.0/releasenotes/ |
23:25.28 | awal1 | allizom: ok, thanks for the links |
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23:36.41 | bonhoeffer | iâm trying to run a tornado webserver, but getting a connection refused â is there a security setting i should check |
23:36.43 | bonhoeffer | ? |
23:39.40 | kion | bonhoeffer, try "sudo netstat -tvnlp" to see if your server is actually listening |
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23:41.21 | bonhoeffer | ok â on tcp local: 0.0.0.0:8090 foreign address: 0.0.0.0:* |
23:41.30 | bonhoeffer | so that should be right afaik |
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23:43.11 | wolfmitchell | quick question, why does the ruby2.1 package have libjs-jquery as a recommended package? |
23:43.47 | bonhoeffer | kion: any thoughts on that? |
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23:47.40 | kion | bonhoeffer, now try to see your firewall "sudo iptables -L -vn" and check that you are allowing that traffic |
23:48.33 | bonhoeffer | not familar here â but there are sections for INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT with nothing under them |
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23:54.31 | t4nk399 | hey can anyone help i want to install apt-get install python3-pip |
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23:54.56 | t4nk399 | but i keep getting the message: it comes up with unable to locate package python3-pip |
23:55.18 | t4nk399 | im using Jessie |
23:55.33 | t4nk399 | it does however say building dependancy tree and reading state information but then fails |
23:55.44 | duelle | t4nk399: Can you find the package using "apt-cache search python3-pip"? |
23:56.11 | kion | bonhoeffer, that means that you have not set a firewall, something totally undesirable on a server, I assume that your INPUT chain has the Default as Allow |
23:57.30 | kion | bonhoeffer, Now that we checked that your server is listening, and your firewall is not blocking traffic, your only source of denying a connection is the application itself, check your tornado configuration, and I can not help there I don't even know what it is |
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23:58.03 | bonhoeffer | yeah, each has the policy of ACCEPT |
23:58.04 | mtn | t4nk399: check your sources: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
23:58.36 | kion | bonhoeffer, most databases for example will have rules to select from which hosts you can connect and from which you can't , it must be something like that |
23:58.52 | bonhoeffer | ok â so iptables is empty with a policy of ACCEPT means no firewall at all |
23:58.56 | kion | bonhoeffer, and don't forget to write the correct rules for your firewall |
23:59.03 | bonhoeffer | kion: got it |
23:59.25 | bonhoeffer | will look at tornado settings, iâm new to that as well |
23:59.35 | kion | bonhoeffer, yes, empty says no rules, with a default policy of Accepting any packet that gets to your network card |
23:59.52 | bonhoeffer | kion, thanks |
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