IRC log for #debian on 20160122

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10:10.13*** topic/#debian is Ian Murdock -> #debian-offtopic ; Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.2; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
10:11.35morfPhlogi: check /etc/crontab and /etc/cron*
10:11.38jerry-ingHey guys :   installation step failed. Failed step is select and install software. <continue>
10:12.06eject_ckPhlogi: cd /etc/ ; grep -r "whatever" .
10:12.18morfor that
10:12.32morfjerry-ing: no more information about the error?
10:12.39eject_ckalso user's crontab jobs saved in other places ;)
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10:13.20Phlogieject_ck: this is weird - i think i got it know… /etc/crontab != crontab -e file
10:13.25eject_ckE.g. /var/spool/cron
10:13.38jerry-ingThere is quite a bit in the debug console I'll try to get a picture morf
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10:14.36morfPhlogi: crontab -l for current users crontab
10:14.43eject_ckwhat's acceptable imagehosting there to upload photo of my screen failing FDE ?
10:15.01morfdoesn't matter?
10:15.21Phlogimorf: so you never should touch /etc/crontab actually?
10:15.30Phlogimorf: because thats the one that is used
10:15.45morfi didn't say that
10:16.06morfthose are systems crontabs /etc/cron* and then users crontabs
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10:16.29jerry-ingMorf http://www.imgpaste.net/image/dadN
10:17.43Phlogimorf:  thanks I hope it works now :)
10:17.52morfyou put hiend hw to this thing? :))))
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10:18.38eject_ckSo, I have FDE on disk which works with 3.16., but with 4.3 not.
10:18.51eject_ckhttp://snag.gy/JagoU.jpg - this unlock disk dialog.
10:19.13morfnot much to see from those errors
10:19.37eject_ckWith 4.3 when I enter correct password it continues , but stops right after entering password
10:19.38eject_ckhttp://snag.gy/N68Id.jpg
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10:19.48jerry-ingAny suggesting?
10:20.11eject_ckmorf: no errors at all - I like errors much more than silence
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10:21.58WormFoodI prefer no errors
10:22.36morfyou are confusing me guys
10:22.43morfwith those pastes
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10:24.13morfjerry-ing: it says it didn't find your disk... for whatever reason
10:24.29jerry-ingMorf http://www.imgpaste.net/image/dkmF
10:24.32morfjerry-ing: which is most likely little higher
10:24.46Iridoseject_ck, how long did you wait... could the fsck just not be finished yet?
10:25.14morfjerry-ing: bad disk?
10:25.15Iridoseject_ck,  actually... as you can boot with the other ... does that also run fsck?
10:25.27eject_ckI can boot with 3.16 kernel
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10:25.35eject_ckWaiting for > 10 minutes now
10:25.45eject_ckwith 3.16 it's immediately boots
10:26.18eject_ckI don't remember it runs fsck with 3.16
10:26.22jerry-ingMorf all the hard discs are new
10:26.23Iridosactually I wonder...
10:26.42Iridosit's all journaling filesystems today anyway... why would you ever run a full fsck
10:26.45morfjerry-ing: the os says it can't read from them, so i guess check if they are connected right
10:26.47eject_cksomething missing in 4.3 kernel ?
10:26.56Iridosbut *if* you did... it could easily take up half a day or more
10:27.08morfjerry-ing: also new doesn't exactly mean they are 100% functional
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10:27.34morfjerry-ing: you can check the disk before installing
10:27.47Iridoseject_ck, does it look as if it's doing a full fsck (i.e. disk busy all the time)?
10:27.50jerry-ingMorf it already partition them and setup lvm and failed while installing selected software
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10:28.17morfoh well i have to work good luck
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10:29.15jellyeject_ck: badly generated initramfs, more likely
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10:29.24Iridoshmm
10:29.27jerry-ingRestarting the installation is a last resort because this data center boots via pxe
10:29.41Iridosjelly, wouldn't that generate an error of some type?
10:30.05jellyeject_ck: after you drop to initramfs shell, verify the disk is visible and if you have lvm below luks, make sure the volume group is up
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10:31.31jellyIridos: yes, and unable to find volume is such an error
10:32.13Iridosit said that?
10:32.25Iridosblinks
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10:34.51jellydpkg, tell eject_ck about debug initramfs
10:35.19Iridosjelly, oh... but... .... hmm, I think I got the order of encryption and lvm wrong...
10:35.25eject_ckjelly: how to fix ?
10:35.37jellyif I knew I'd tell you
10:35.44Iridosheh
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10:35.50eject_ckIridos: it not looks like fsck - it says disk clean as you can see
10:36.22eject_ckAlso same issue with 4.2
10:36.35jellyeject_ck: in addition to break= stuff, if you have a "quiet" boot parameter get rid of that as well
10:36.38Iridosyeah... jelly got a really good point there... I was obviously barking up the wrong tree there. wuff.
10:36.53eject_ckjelly: I don't drop to initramfs shell
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10:37.06eject_ckit don't respond to anything at that stage
10:37.39jellyeject_ck: so force it to drop into the shell.
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10:38.51eject_ckjelly, sorry but how? On what stage ?
10:38.54jellythe wiki page shows some other options.  I didn't even know about the "debug" parameter writing an output file
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10:39.12eject_ckdo I need pass parameters to grub ?
10:39.21eject_ckI see
10:39.24eject_ckthanks
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10:39.58jellyeject_ck: something around premount ... to mountroot
10:39.58jerry-ing1jellydoughnut
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10:42.28lernerhow does blocksize affect encryption?
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10:43.52topylii once managed to get the spotify client working on debian, but after upgrading to testing it's back to the libssl problems. i know there's a way but their forums are not very helpful so far
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10:45.11svetaCan we change the behaviour of apt-get remove? It should remove configuration files if they are unchanged by user, I think.
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10:47.07svetaThat's one thing. Another is: how do I purge a package's config files after I already remove'ed it?
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10:48.39topylisynaptic lists all those packages for you and allows you to purge them
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10:49.15eject_ckcan I submit bug to jessie-backport (ed) kernel ?
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10:53.57svetatopyli: just curious, how do I do the same over the command line?
10:54.23svetaI'm downloading synaptic following your advice. it'll take a few minutes. :-)
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10:59.50svetatopyli: oh, no, in synaptic I can only mark them for installation...
11:02.27eject_ckI drop'ed to initramfs shell with 4.2 kernel and opened LUKS with encrypted disk, now lvm sees as expected volumes
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11:03.51donobanI have a package installed from jessie-backports, now apt-get dist-upgrade is keeping one package back, should I do sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports dist-upgrade ?
11:04.16donobanit upgrades that package, another 39 and installs 6 newly
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11:07.09topylisveta: i don't know, but i'm pretty sure synaptic uses apt for that information anyway, so there probably is an apt-cache/apt-get way to do it
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11:07.52topylialso, look harder. synaptic lets you select all those packages and mark them for "complete uninstall"
11:08.07svetano, that button is disabled
11:08.41topyliright click after selecting
11:08.51topylialso, are you sure you are root?
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11:08.59svetaI did. I am.
11:09.03topylihm
11:09.15topyliweird
11:09.25svetaYou maybe try it on something simple without dependencies, like slock or something.
11:12.16topylii don't know what's going on, but i just installed and purged a couple of packages with synaptic successfully. i'm on debian testing, up to date
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11:15.09topyli(worked for me also on stable, before going testing)
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11:59.34jellyeject_ck: right, that points to something being incorrect in the later kernel's initramfs
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12:01.23jellyeject_ck: make sure your /etc/crypttab is sane
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12:02.25eject_ckI got system reinstalled for now with -testing and without LUKS
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12:02.33eject_ckfor now, will try again later
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12:04.24ehlo_f1rehello, is wrong format of domain in hosts in case it is fqdn(host.domain.com)? Can cause it any issues?
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12:06.45wfqhi all
12:07.17ehlo_f1remy /etc/hosts contains something like that: 127.0.1.1 harry harry.potter.org
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12:11.46jellyehlo_f1re: full name should come first, then the short name
12:12.12jellyehlo_f1re: so 127.0.1.1 harry.potter.example.org harry
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12:19.12wfqI am trying to upgrade from Wheezy o Jessie but I get an error with udev package asking to upgrade the kernel first. When I try to upgrade the kernel I get an error saying that some dependencies cannot be met and that I should run apt-get -f install but when I do that I get back to the first scenario (I need a kernel upgrade)
12:19.27wfqit is a bit of chicken-and-egg situation. Any idea please?
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12:20.45wfqSorry forgot to attach the output I get: http://pastebin.com/6gUkwKTK
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12:23.14kedareHmm is this normal that when I use mk-build-deps to install all the building dependencies I still miss dependencies after ?
12:23.39jellykedare: miss dependencies or miss build dependencies?
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12:24.19dagerikapt-cache policy librxtx-java shows 2.2pre2-13. what do all parts of this string mean?
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12:24.38kedaredpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies
12:25.00kedaremk-build-deps install some of them but not all of them
12:25.11jellyyeah, that's unusual
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12:25.32ehlo_f1rejelly: yes, without discussion. But my question is, can cause wrong format any issues? :]
12:25.38jellywfq: which kernel is running right now?
12:25.46kedareHmm I think it breaks the dependencies tree... Weird, I have to run an apt-get -f install after
12:25.56kedareAnd the missing dependencies are waiting in the queue
12:26.05ehlo_f1rejelly: I'm asking because system I have to administrate has wrong format and I want to change it.
12:26.12wfqjelly, 2.6.32-5-amd64
12:26.14kedareWell, not all of them... I'm gonna check why
12:26.54jellywfq: that's a squeeze kernel.  You never rebooted into a wheezy 3.2 kernel
12:27.03jellywfq: or your system is not wheezy at all
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12:27.44wfqhow is that possible?
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12:28.29wfqweird
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12:28.46jellywfq: you did not read wheezy release notes at the time of squeeze->wheezy, maybe
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12:29.14jellywfq: go back to wheezy sources.  then install linux-image-amd64 and reboot into 3.2
12:29.34jellywfq: then follow jessie release notes.
12:29.42wfqh good but I have already done an apt-get dist-upgrade with jessie sources
12:30.02wfqwhat a mess. I don't even remember to have had squeeze at the time.
12:30.31jellywfq: ls -la /boot/
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12:31.19wfqjelly, http://pastebin.com/jvT2kSpG
12:31.52wfqso can I go back to my wheezy sources, do update and hen intall the corresponding linux kernel, reboot and carry on with jessie upgrade?
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12:32.09wfqos now that I have messed the system with jessie libraries this is not going to be possible?
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12:32.24jellywfq: hmm.  okay.  also, "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 lsof perl libperl4-corelibs-perl"
12:33.34wfqjelly http://pastebin.com/deLL353C
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12:34.06wfqThat is the problem. That perl library is way ahead of the one needed to install the udev library according to the actual kernel
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12:34.21wfqI pasted the errors before: http://pastebin.com/6gUkwKTK
12:34.31jelly,v udev
12:34.32juddPackage: udev on amd64 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 215-17+deb8u3; stretch: 228-4; sid: 228-4
12:34.44jellywfq: which version of udev package is installed?
12:35.17wfq175-7.2
12:35.27wfqavailbble 215-17+deb8u2
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12:36.19jellyright.
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12:37.23jellywfq: so yeah, add back wheezy sources.  maybe in addition to current ones.  then try installing linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64
12:37.24wfqso do you think I get back to my wheezy sources and try to install the wheezy kernel and reboot the machine on it to carry on with jessie upgrade or is it too late?
12:37.32wfqok thanks
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12:37.34wfqI shall try
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12:37.59wfqI purged the cached too just in case
12:38.43jellywfq: have a live image handy, that system may not be bootable
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12:40.17wfqsame error
12:40.43wfqI can guess I cannot do now an apt-get dist-upgrade
12:41.03wfqwith the wheezy sources
12:41.21wfqam stuck
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12:42.07ehlo_f1reI'm wondering about debian hostname resolution documentation. 'The <host_name> matches the hostname defined in the "/etc/hostname".' What does exactly mean it?
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12:43.32ehlo_f1re<host_name> in /etc/hosts should be equal /etc/hostname or can be /etc/hostname fqdn? Does it matter? :]
12:44.41ehlo_f1rein my language "matches" doesn't make sense in this context -_-
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12:56.38kedareI found the issue I think, the package on the distribution I'm trying to build are not over the minimal version so it just skips them
12:56.43kedareI was expecting an error or something
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13:15.56ksx4systemhow to add positions to openbox menu but *before* Debian menu (there's "terminal emulator" and "web browser" position, I'd like to add another just after that)
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13:17.42moldyhi
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13:19.34humbotksx4system, i believe you can open ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml and do what you like
13:20.29ksx4systemhumbot, sure but would it add my position exactly where it should be (between two first positions and Debian menu)?
13:21.53ksx4systemmaybe I should simply edit /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml with what I need?
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13:24.48ksx4systemit's system wide but wouldn't Debian menu update (a new app probably) break it?
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13:44.06Psy-Qdo all php5 extensions' package names begin with "php5"?
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13:48.18abrotmanPsy-Q: how are you searching?
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13:54.41Psy-Qabrotman: apt-cache search ^php5
13:55.05Psy-Qi'm writing an Ansible role that installs php5 modules and i was wondering if i can expect "php5-foo-bar" to always be the pattern that the debian packages follow
13:55.08abrotmanPsy-Q: apt-cache --names-only search php5
13:55.35abrotmanor "php"
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13:56.19Psy-Qabrotman: hm, alright. it seems the pattern is not consistent then. thanks!
13:57.22abrotmanseems not, though, I can't comment on the naming scheme
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13:57.33abrotmanPsy-Q: there is a PHP maintainers mailing list if you'd want to contact them
13:57.40Psy-Qabrotman: ah, ok, i might do that
13:57.54Psy-Qbut i'm now wondering if it even makes any sense to create a ansible module for it
13:58.09Psy-Qbecause if it boils down to just knowing the package name, i'll just use the existing apt module for ansible
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13:59.18abrotmanPsy-Q: I mean, from an admin-ish point of view .. fewer (more explicit) packages means fewer security things to worry about ?
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14:01.29Psy-Qabrotman: yeah, sure. and the devs here only seem to need 3 modules so maybe making it its own ansible role would've been overkill anyhow
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14:02.07abrotmanPsy-Q: but we applaud you for your drive :)
14:02.12Psy-Qheh :)
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14:15.47styks1987I have been trying to debug a debconf install error that is keeping me from installing anything
14:15.47styks1987http://paste.debian.net/367184/
14:16.19styks1987I have tried several things but the answers on forums do not appear to apply to my situation
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14:19.07bezabancan anyone recommend a web fronted to git in debian repos?
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14:22.19babilenbezaban: gitlab
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14:22.56bezabanbabilen: thanks :)
14:23.22babilenIt also *really* depends what your understanding of "web frontend" is
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14:23.48bezabanbabilen: browsing is the main requirement really. For 'technical staff' who think they are technical staff ;)
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14:24.33bezabandev will be using something integrated in an ide I assume, and personally I'll be using the command line client
14:24.53bezabanand salt :)
14:25.13canvonbezaban: then gitweb might suffice?
14:25.23babilenhttps://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Interfaces,_frontends,_and_tools#Web_Interfaces has a long list .. if you just want browsing then cgit is probably what you want
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14:26.32babilenbezaban: Do you want it to manage your repositories also or are you really just looking for a tool that allows you to browse repositories online?
14:26.40bezabancanvon, babilen, lovely. I'll have a look at those. The main problem is exactly the long list
14:27.03bezabanbabilen: hmm.. might be good to be able to add repos
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14:28.00bezabanactually, boss says he'll use a client to add repos etc. - just need something for browsing
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14:30.39babilenbezaban: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/git/git.git/ -- that's cgit
14:31.07babilen(so much git in that URL)
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14:31.45bezabangitgitgit.
14:32.04bezabanI also notice it is in apt repos, but I guess I coudl just co it
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14:32.55bezabanehem. not svn lingo
14:32.56babilenI'd install it from the repositories on Debian
14:33.09bezabanright, I prefer to if possible :)
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15:13.05ravegenGood day. Does debian have active directory domain service like of windows server ?
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15:19.22lernerdo you know of any GiB to GB calculator?
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15:20.00neilthereildeilcan someone please help me setup vnc tunneling over SSH? im getting "channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused vncviewer: VNC server closed connection"
15:20.29ravegenGood day. Does debian have active directory domain service like of windows server ?
15:21.14canvonlerner: echo $[100*1024**3/1000**3]  # to convert 100 GiB to GB; should output 107
15:21.20petemcravegen: you can do something similar with ldap and kerberos
15:21.57ravegenOpenldap ?
15:22.13canvonlerner: the other way is usually more interesting; what when the disk manufacturer says 1000GB, what GiB have I left then?
15:22.16canvon$ echo $[1000*1000**3/1024**3]
15:22.17canvon931
15:22.41petemcravegen: yes, there are others too
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15:23.18ravegenThanks
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15:28.57ravegenPetemc, do i still need to have windows server to run active directory domain service with ldap and kerberos?
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15:31.17ballmerlinux servers can have active directory, kerberos, and ldap
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15:32.02ballmerthe page i referred you to in #ubuntu explains https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto, although if you have debian it might not be what you're looking for
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15:32.38ballmerthis page has info for debian https://wiki.debian.org/AuthenticatingLinuxWithActiveDirectory
15:32.51ravegenTnx
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15:33.25ballmerthis too https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/Kerberos
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15:34.29ravegenActually ballmer, i dont want to utilize windows so i am looking for linux distro that i can experiment with active directory. Does only ubuntu have this active directory?
15:34.50ballmerno, you could use debian or others
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15:36.28ravegenWhat in particular is active directory in debian?
15:36.30ballmereasiest way to experiment is to use vm's in virtualbox
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15:37.51ravegenI am not sure where to start in debian on this.
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15:38.18ballmeri think there are some training courses that might help, like lpi
15:38.34ballmerthis has more info http://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_8&p=samba&f=4
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15:39.01wulllstis downloading a deb src package from the official repos of testing and then building that on stable a reasonable way of getting more up-to-date software when it's necessary? i mean is it similar to installing a backport in effect?
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15:40.51ravegenBallmer thanks
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15:47.32ravegenBallmer, just read samba on that link. My next question is that i dont see on that link , how do you set group policies like restrict software install, etc.
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15:51.04johnfghi folks
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15:56.29WormFoodHow do I see exactly how big Linux thinks a partition is? I have partitioned and formatted a 250 gig hard drive, and when I try to write to the partition, it says it's full after copying 10 meg to it. I've erased the partition table and recreated it several times, but it always craps out at 10 meg (but if I write to the whole device, it's fine.)
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15:57.47wulllstWormFood: well, i'd try dh -h first.
15:58.07wulllstWormFood: no.... df -h
15:58.18canvonWormFood: cat /proc/partitions
15:59.15ballmerravegen: there are ways to manage those issues within NIS in linux, but its easier to use a commercial product to help like http://www.centrify.com/products/server-suite/group-policy/
15:59.32WormFoodthanks canvon, that's what I wanted.
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15:59.53WormFoodwulllst, df required a file system on the device, and for it to be mounted, neither of which are true in my case.
15:59.59ballmerthis has info on NIS http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/NIS.html
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16:00.25wulllstWormFood: ok, thanks for the hint. i was wondering about that.
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16:01.23WormFoodwhat the fuuuuck?!? Now it's working, for no apparent reason, and I never did figure out why it wasn't working.
16:02.21WormFoodI think what happened, is somehow the /dev/sdxy node for my partition was overwritten with a file, which was 10 meg in size...but still, dd should have expanded that file size.
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16:03.02tremonWormFood: your /dev may be on tmpfs, which is limited to 10MB
16:03.32tremoneats an unnecessary and ambiguous comma
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16:03.39donofrio__atworkanyone know if there is a containerized version of debian (what I mean is a separate container for each debain package/project?) or am I not thinking right?  was looking for container openssl container apache container pcre etc?
16:03.43WormFoodtremon, yeah, but that file should have never existed in the first place. It should be a device node, referencing the actual device. That'd explain the 10 meg limit.
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16:04.18tremonif you use dd or shell redirection to a non-existing path, they will both happily create a file for you
16:04.26jellyWormFood: to answer your initial question, cat /proc/partitions
16:04.33WormFoodOh. I bet I know what happened.
16:04.51WormFoodjelly, canvon beat you to it ;) Thanks anyways.
16:05.02tremonmaybe you ran it while before udev created the (dynamic) device nodes
16:05.03jellyand if disk is in use, the kernel won't see any p.table changes
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16:05.51WormFoodI'll bet what happened, is I tried to write to that partition when it didn't exist. So no /dev entry. When I tried to write to the non-existent partition, it created the file. Now when I did create the partition, it didn't create the /dev node, because it was being taken up with a file.
16:06.04WormFoodjelly, yeah, I'm aware of that, and that wasn't the case.
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16:06.47WormFoodnow when I tried to output to the partition, it was simply a regular file, and acted as such, filling up the device to it's 10 meg limit.
16:07.03jellyWormFood: rm the file, run partprobe /dev/sdX again?
16:07.37WormFoodno need jelly. It's all taken care of now.
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16:08.03WormFoodif you look back a few lines, you can see me saying it's working now. I was just trying to work out what exactly happened.
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16:08.17jellydonofrio__atwork: what would a container with pcre be used for?
16:08.51jellyah, apparently I fail at reading logs
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16:13.22wewladhello, pals
16:13.41wewladI have a problem with my notebook under debian8
16:14.08wewladit hangs sometimes when I try to open more than ~3 tabs in iceweasel
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16:14.33wewladand usually it becomes unresponsive (but the display turns off if I close the notebook)
16:14.40wewladthe cursor doesn't move, etc
16:14.50cra1g321wewlad, checked memory usuage ?
16:14.56wewladI did
16:15.01wewladnothing
16:15.10wewladI usually just turned it off with the power button
16:15.20wewladit would normally run disc check the next boot
16:15.38wewladand now I've seen it boots really long and there were errors on the boot screen
16:15.45wewladlike error: { UNC IDNF }
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16:16.03jellywewlad: if you have a second computer with an ssh client in the same network segment, try pinging it and/or logging in remotely when that happens
16:16.36wewladjelly: hey jelly. last time you've told me that - I tried that and it didn't respond
16:16.45jellynot even to ping?
16:16.51wewladnot even to ping
16:17.16jellythat means the kernel was seriously confused
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16:17.47wewladI see the hdd (it's actually uses old-ass crappy 8gb ssd) led constantly ON and the notebook is really unresponsive to anything
16:17.49jellyit's not likely but do you see any lines in /var/log/kern.log at that time
16:18.09wewladcan I check that file after the reboot?
16:18.13jellyyes
16:18.18wewladchecking now
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16:18.28jellypastebin the last dunno 200-500 lines
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16:20.24wewladcat file > clip, right?
16:20.30wewlador clipboard?
16:20.33wewladforgot how
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16:22.02neilthereildeilhey guys
16:22.11neilthereildeilXtightvncis crashing on a known bug
16:22.22neilthereildeili know that debian uses older versions of software
16:22.27neilthereildeilhow can i update to a newer version
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16:22.29neilthereildeil?
16:22.36neilthereildeilits the bug described here: http://zmodemz.blogspot.com/2014/09/update-to-vnc-tightvncserver-instability.html
16:23.29jellyneilthereildeil: for starters, which version of the relevant package do you have right now?
16:24.04wewladjelly: hey, jelly, could you tell how to clip the file's contents?
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16:24.22wewlad'cat file | xclipboard' says error: another clipboard is already running
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16:24.49canvonwewlad: perhaps you mean "xclip"
16:25.06sh00pwulllst, I think it can turn out pretty volatile
16:25.10wewladok, thx, sudo apt-getting it then...
16:25.16neilthereildeilXtightvnc --version: Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.9
16:25.34jellyneilthereildeil: that's the executable, what about the package version?
16:25.53sh00psaid not realizing he was scrolled up a few pages
16:26.03jellyneilthereildeil: dpkg -S $(which Xtightvnc), and then dpkg -l packagename
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16:26.47Nik05Does someone have an idea what could be caching my dns requests i do with dig?
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16:27.12neilthereildeiltightvncserver         1.3.9-6.5        amd64            virtual network computing server software
16:27.53wewladcanvon: so I did cat file | xclip, nothing happens, clipboard is empty
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16:28.14start_user500anyone who have some experience with dd-wrt ? :o
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16:28.27start_user500i know there's the ddwrt channel but all ppl are idling there :\
16:28.47wewladwell, I had some experience with openwrt
16:29.02start_user500wewlad: oh, maybe u can help me because i think the problem is the same
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16:29.07canvonwewlad: have you tried pasting with the middle mouse button? works for me
16:29.19wewladcanvon: I don't have middle button :)
16:29.24canvonoh dear ;)
16:29.33wewladI tried pasting via right click + paste from the context menu
16:29.40wewladpaste is inactive in iceweasel
16:29.58wulllstsh00p: ok, so it's not essentially the same as installing a backport in effect?
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16:30.01wewladstart_user500: don't ask to ask, just ask
16:30.06canvonwewlad: actually I don't have a third mouse button here, either; I paste via pressing left+right touchpad buttons at the same time. but don't know if something like that is set up on your system
16:30.19start_user500wewlad: in short i'm in throuble for running the printer sharing on my router
16:30.23sh00pwulllst, no if you're building from sauce then you're not getting the dependencies
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16:30.46wulllstsh00p: i'd execute apt-get build-dep for the package in stabel first.
16:30.53wewladstart_user500: stop right there. sorry, totally unfamiliar with anything close to local sharing on a router
16:31.05start_user500wewlad: on the guides i followed it seems i only have to enable printer support, then is expected there's a daemon on port 9100 running, instead is not like that... with netstat i can't find any 9100 listening
16:31.06neilthereildeiljelly: should i just install a backport?
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16:31.10jellywewlad: eh, you can include a file from the browser on paste.debian.net
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16:31.24jelly,v tightvncserver
16:31.25juddPackage: tightvncserver on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.9-6.1+b1; wheezy: 1.3.9-6.4; jessie: 1.3.9-6.5; sid: 1.3.9-6.6; stretch: 1.3.9-6.6
16:31.38jellyneilthereildeil: I don't see any backport available.
16:31.57wulllstsh00p: that's what i always do before, building an app from source.
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16:32.18sh00pwulllst, I've never used build-dep so I'm not sure what it does, but if it does what it sounds like it does then I don't see why not... unless you accidentally overwrite stuff on your system while installing your new package
16:32.41jellyneilthereildeil: file a bug report for the current package after checking bugs.debian.org/tightvncserver it's not already there, and in the meantime you may try to package the newer version yourself
16:33.03wewladjelly: weird, but no, the site doesn't do anything after I selected the file and hit send
16:33.14wewladI hit send again and again and it just refreshes the page
16:33.50johnfgEven though I have a non-pae machine, running a non-pae kernel, I'm getting this from apt-get upgrade:
16:33.51wulllstsh00p: well, build-dep installs the dependencies, a package would have without installing the package itself.
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16:34.13jellydpkg, tell neilthereildeil about deb-src
16:34.18jellydpkg, tell neilthereildeil about uupdate
16:34.24jellydpkg, tell neilthereildeil about package rebuild
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16:34.44johnfghttp://paste.debian.net/367235/
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16:35.18keekzsomething up with htpp.debian.net? i'm seeing: W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
16:35.19jellywewlad: hmph.  dunno, use pastebinit then
16:35.36johnfgThis is jessie, with all the updates, running 3.16.0-4-586
16:35.37wewladjelly: got another hang, the system seems to be semi-responsive now
16:35.39wewladomfg
16:36.05neilthereildeilhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782620
16:36.06wewladnvm, just an app hanged
16:36.06juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/782620 in tightvncserver (open): «tightvncserver: SIGSEGV in WaitForSomething»; severity: important; opened: 2015-04-14; last modified: 2015-07-21.
16:36.09neilthereildeilits already filed
16:36.20jellywewlad: if I had to guess, the partial error you showed and disk activity LED suggest your disk may be dying
16:36.47wulllstsh00p: well, strictly speaking: build-dep tries to satisfy the dependencies for building a certain package from source. which is what you would what in that case.
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16:37.08canvonwewlad: "like error: { UNC IDNF }", "the hdd [...] led constantly ON" <- that both looks like harddisk error to me
16:37.18canvonoh, like jelly said
16:37.29wewladI think so too
16:37.38wewladI just don't get why fsck found nothing
16:37.42wewladhow does it die then...
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16:37.59jellyneilthereildeil: oh fun, that package seems to be orphaned
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16:38.07neilthereildeildamn
16:38.07canvonwewlad: perhaps single sectors (or whatever an ssd is using internally) are dying first?
16:38.16jellyneilthereildeil: this is your chance to get into debian maintainership!!1
16:38.20neilthereildeilshould i just download the source and make?
16:38.32neilthereildeilhaha i am wayy to busy these days!
16:38.37canvon*dieing (?)
16:38.55wewladcanvon: I dunno, probably, I just expected the diag tool to tell me that :)
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16:39.00blinddying.
16:39.17neilthereildeiljelly: how can i find which version the source package is?
16:39.27neilthereildeili want to make sure the bug is fixed
16:39.54canvonwewlad: have you checked SMART? smartctl -a /dev/sda
16:40.20jellyneilthereildeil: it's version 1.3.9-6.5 in jessie (which strongly suggests 1.3.9 upstream version used)
16:40.40neilthereildeiljelly: ahh thats the sameversion which i alreday have
16:40.42jellythe only way to make sure is to build it and test
16:40.42neilthereildeilwhich crashes
16:41.00neilthereildeilill get get it from the tightvncserver website...
16:41.09jellyneilthereildeil: of course.  Debian has to ship the exact same source as they're building binary packages from!
16:41.35neilthereildeiljelly: yea and i imagine the website version would be newer
16:41.58neilthereildeilis it this website?
16:41.59neilthereildeilhttp://www.tightvnc.com/
16:42.00jellyneilthereildeil: read what dpkg told you.  These are tools for adapting current debian packaging into the newer upstream source.
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16:42.27neilthereildeiljelly: but you said its the same version as what i lready have...
16:44.09jellyneilthereildeil: the source package from debian is the same version as the binary package you have installed
16:44.27neilthereildeilright so i should not get ANY debian opackages
16:44.33neilthereildeili should go to the website and get the neweest
16:44.50jellyneilthereildeil: wrong!
16:44.54neilthereildeil?
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16:45.35jellyneilthereildeil: get the current debian source, get the new upstream source, then add debian bits to new upstream source and create binary package for the new version.
16:46.28neilthereildeilohh. this is ALL through debian packages, nothing to do with tightvnc website downloads??
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16:57.47folivoraI've have my two disks in RAID-1 mode including /boot, other disk failed and i've changed it. All partitions are in sync. I
16:57.50folivoradid create same partition table with sgdisk.. Does syncing new disk sync MBR (grub) ?
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17:00.05petn-randallfolivora: the MBR is not part of any partitions, so no.
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17:00.57morfwell you can clone the mbr from one disk to another right?
17:01.10WormFoodsure
17:01.22folivorapetn-randall: ok. What I should, sgdisk cloned the partitions. How one should clone MBR ?
17:01.31WormFooddd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1
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17:04.02petn-randallfolivora: It's probably safer to just grub-install to the new disk.
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17:04.22lowinHow can I search which for a package that provides a specific file? it can be done in debian website, but is there a program to do it inside the system?
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17:06.33petn-randalllowin: apt-file
17:06.53lowinpetn-randall, thanks
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17:07.20petn-randalllowin: or you can use 'dpkg -s' or 'dlocate' if you're looking for the package of a file already on your system.
17:07.59folivorahttps://paste.debian.net/367245/ <- I did clone /dev/sdc partition table to /dev/sdb <- How I could see contenct of /dev/sdc MBR and if needed clone it ? With that dd command above or something else
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17:08.31neilthereildeiljelly: i have completed step 2 that you showed me
17:08.39WormFoodmy dd command will clone the mbr from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb
17:08.42neilthereildeili ran uupdate
17:09.01neilthereildeilam i supposed to package recompile or continue to step 3?
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17:09.54jellyneilthereildeil: move to new tree, see if it builds
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17:10.37folivoraWormFood: how I could check the MBR content before cloning ...
17:10.48WormFoodfolivora, are you booting from UEFI mode, or normal BIOS mode?
17:10.55neilthereildeili ran make in the new dir. it says no targets
17:11.22WormFooddd if=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1 | xxd -u -g 1
17:11.23jellymake?
17:11.25folivoraNormal Bios
17:12.01WormFoodYou do realize you're using GPT, right, and not a traditional partition table, right?
17:12.02jellyneilthereildeil: run something like dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us
17:12.29jellyneilthereildeil: (step 5 in package rebuild)
17:12.40WormFoodBooting from a GPT partitioned disk, from a BIOS setup, can be tricky, but doable.
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17:13.06WormFoodIf it boots ok, then just cloning the MBR from one disk to the other should be trivial.
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17:13.19folivoraWormFood: it is working just fine, other disk failed today and I replaced it, I just want to make sure that the MBR on the new disks is ok also
17:13.41WormFooddd if=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1|xxd -u -g 1
17:14.11neilthereildeiljelly: dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL=C patch -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B .pc/debian-changes-1.3.9-6.1/ --reject-file=- < tightvnc-1.3.10/debian/patches/debian-changes-1.3.9-6.1 gave error exit status 1
17:15.01neilthereildeiljelly: im also getting some Hunk failed errors
17:15.13neilthereildeil4 out of 17 hunks FAILED
17:15.48WormFooddo that line on both hard drives, and if you see a lot of zeroes, then that is the drive without the mbr
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17:17.51neilthereildeiljelly: any idea whats wrong?
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17:18.10folivorahttps://paste.debian.net/367247/ <-- seems that the new disk (sdb) does have the same content as /dev/sdc
17:18.13folivora?
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17:19.21jellyneilthereildeil: patches that debian applied to 1.3.9 source do not apply cleanly to 1.3.10.  Ideally you'll have to understand what each does, then fix/adapt it if it's important or remove it if the same fix was already applied upstream.
17:19.29Nik05folivora  the first 440 bytes are the same
17:19.43neilthereildeilomg what a mess
17:20.18folivoraI am looking that MBR is identical... md-devices are reporting that they are OK
17:20.25jellyneilthereildeil: this is basically normal procedure, what every debian developer does when they want to package newer version of some software
17:20.29neilthereildeili just want a working version of vncserver :)
17:21.24jellyneilthereildeil: an alternative is to figure out which change merely fixes your bug, then apply just that cherry-picked change to debian's 1.3.9-based source
17:21.29WormFoodIt's quite likely that it also copied the MBR over, when you cloned it. You probably cloned the whole disk, and not just the partition
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17:21.51WormFoodneilthereildeil, I have to agree with jelly on that point, based on experience.
17:22.35folivoraI did use gdisk to replicate the structure to new disk, then I added those devices to right md-groups and syncing ofc started when disk came available
17:22.39jellyneilthereildeil: this mess is precisely why people let distributions deal with it.  If you want the newer version to integrate nicely with debian, someone has to do this work
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17:24.13neilthereildeillinux is def not ready for the layman yet. even after using it for like 10 years...
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17:25.56jellyit will never be ready
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17:26.36fas3rhello
17:26.50jellyhi there.
17:26.52ballmerlinux mint mate and ubuntu gnome are good for new end users
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17:26.57fas3rHow to execute a command 10,10, 100 times simultaniously ?
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17:27.50jellyfas3r: there are multiple approaches to that.  You can use xargs.  Or the "parallel" tool.
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17:29.13jellyfas3r: what are you trying to achieve?
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17:29.40ballmerzorin OS is another 1 for new end users
17:29.56ballmerall are debian's user friendly children
17:30.01WormFoodfas3r, for i in 'seq 1 100` ; do rm -rf / & done
17:30.10jellyWormFood: don't.
17:30.22jellynot even as a funny example
17:30.29fas3rWormFood: it does not ... its a loop
17:30.34WormFoodobviously change the rm -rf to your command
17:30.36WormFoodwanna bet?
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17:30.47fas3rjelly: I would like to execute a curl command to test my proxy.
17:30.54WormFoodperhaps you overlooked the "&"
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17:31.09jellyfas3r: use a http benchmark like ab, instead
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17:32.10fas3rit's more about testing the failover.
17:32.11jellyfas3r: ab is in apache2-utils package.  There are others.
17:32.17fas3rthan the capacity itself.
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17:32.54fas3rjelly: anyway, thanks I will look at it, I just need traffic
17:33.27jellyfas3r: apt-cache search http benchmark
17:33.30folivorathanks for the help WormFood
17:33.34fas3rto generate traffic*
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17:34.01ziz15guys hi,does anyone know how i can have this > when ask a user input in a bash script eg echo "whats your name?" read name and user put his name have this symbol next thanks
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17:35.04WormFoodmy example will erase your / 100 times, concurrently.
17:35.05WormFoodTrust me. I do this kinda shit all the time. I have wget running 20 or 30 parallel downloads, from a list I provide it. When one stops, another one starts, never exceeding the number I give it by more than 1 or 2.
17:35.05WormFoodand of course, change the loop to be something else. for example: for i in dir1 dir2 dir3 ; do rm -rf "$i" & done <-- will delete the 3 named directories, concurrently. Also slap a "wait" on the end of it, if you want it to wait for the background jobs to finish, before returning a command prompt.
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17:35.49WormFoodziz15, you want what? A literal ">" with echo?
17:35.58jellyWormFood: you may want to read about xargs' -P option, too
17:36.24WormFoodoh yeah, xargs. Handy tool. I totally forgot about it.
17:36.26ziz15WormFood: i want to be like >(user input here)
17:36.33jellyziz15: "help echo" will tell you about the -n option
17:36.37WormFoodecho what is your name?\>
17:36.49WormFoodoh. no trailing cr/lf
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17:36.59phy1729remember xargs without -0 kills a kitten.
17:37.25WormFoodyeah, the -n option with echo is what you want, like jelly said.
17:37.38ziz15WormFood: i have already try that and no
17:37.43jellyziz15: if you're not using bash, "man echo" will tell you about the same option for the /bin/echo command
17:38.10WormFoodyou may not be running echo. run it with the full path
17:39.45jellyziz15: show the output of this command, and point out what it does incorrect and what you want it to do instead:  echo -n 'what is your name? '; read name; echo "hi there $name"
17:39.50jelly!paste
17:39.51dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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17:41.59ziz15jelly: i run the command and before use put his name i want to have this > on left and then take the user input
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17:43.17ziz15jelly: on a new line like this echo "Whats your name?" and below be like >(here take user input)
17:43.27WormFoodziz15, give us the snippet of code you're trying to make work. If it's special, then strip it down to the minimum that gives you the problem, and share that with us.
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17:44.48ziz15WormFood: thanks, read above i explain what i want to do
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17:45.24jellyziz15: well, so echo "What's your name?"; echo -n "> "; read name
17:45.26WormFoodecho -en "what is your name\n>"
17:46.14jelly-e and \n seems too complex to introduce at this point ;-)
17:46.27WormFoodI think you're right. :P
17:47.30ziz15everything i try just show me the symbol next to the question but i try to show the symbol below the question
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17:47.52jellyziz15: pastebin the output of this: echo "What's your name?"; echo -n "> "; read name
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17:48.05WormFoodand my command too
17:48.12jellyziz15: which debian release are you using?
17:48.19WormFoodJessie
17:48.41ziz15jelly: THANK YOU
17:48.46ziz15i try so.....
17:49.07jellyWormFood: how do you konw?
17:49.22ziz15jelly: simple i should use two times echo
17:49.36ziz15sometimes simpler is better
17:49.39WormFoodcat /etc/debian_version
17:49.39WormFood8.2
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17:49.50jellyWormFood: do you have access to ziz15's machine?
17:49.59WormFoodno. of course not
17:50.25jellyWormFood: then why do you seem to be answering <jelly> ziz15: which debian release are you using?
17:50.30ziz15jelly: right now im on my linux-mint
17:50.38WormFoodBecause I wasn't paying attention
17:50.45WormFoodhahahaha
17:50.49jelly.lose WormFood
17:51.25WormFoodWhy don't you ask in the linux-mint channel?
17:51.34jellyziz15: next time, please ask in ##linux unless you're on an actual debian installation
17:51.34ziz15jelly: sorry if is not allow to ask here about something not connected to debia
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17:51.59jellyit's ok to ask here if you also have a debian machine where you're trying things.
17:52.24ziz15i have debian jessie 8.2 64-bit
17:52.48jellyjust keep that in mind for the next time
17:53.11ziz15jelly: ok and thanks again for the help
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17:57.03Devastatordoes anyone here send patches for upstream kernel? how do you usually it, in jessie for example, to work with Linus tree kernel? git clone it and compile it after make oldconfig?
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17:58.28koollmanDevastator: I do not send patch. but yes, that's how I would do it. clone and oldconfig
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17:59.26Devastatorkoollman I was just wondering how it would be to run a bleeding edge kernel (linux-next for example) on a distro that is stable
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18:00.34jellyDevastator: there's no problem running whatever kernel you want, as long as it has the minimum options that debian userspace wants
18:00.43koollmanDevastator: runs mostly fines. sometimes there are large changes to the tools which may be annoying, but I never had too much problems (two exceptions come to mind, lxc and udev) with running very modern kernels
18:01.05jellynot sure what "sending patches" has to do with compiling or testing a kernel
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18:01.41koollmanjelly: it's considered polite to try to compile and test the kernel you've patched, before sending it :)
18:02.27Devastatorjelly because I don't see a point of running a kernel that's not debian official package, and the only reason I'm gonna do it it's because I want to test my changes hehe
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18:02.56jellythat's quite a compliment for debian kernel team
18:02.57koollmanDevastator: also, use a vm to test. it helps a lot :)
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18:03.19jellyhas only been sticking to distro kernels in the last 5-10 years
18:03.37koollmanI often use debian-backports kernels
18:03.44koollmanhelps with some 'recent' techs
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18:04.17koollman(specifically for my use cases, having recent drbd helps to get better performances)
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18:04.45neilthereildeilhas anyone ever gotten VNC screen sharing with multiple users?
18:04.50neilthereildeilit might help for colaboration...
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18:06.02Devastatorkoollman good idea, but I don't know if I will spend much time setting up the vm instead of just running it hehe
18:06.16WormFoodneilthereildeil, it's not an open source solution, but teamviewer is supposed to be able to do that.
18:06.29neilthereildeili thought VNC allows that
18:06.36neilthereildeil(or some free vnc clients maybe?)
18:06.48koollmanDevastator: it's not long to setup a vm, really. debian iso, default install, next, next, next, ... :)
18:07.04WormFoodit may. I'm not sure. If you can set it to view-only, then I imagine multiple viewers could connect.
18:07.32Devastatorjelly thanks, I've said a few times that when I started coming here asking for help on compiling sendmail in debian potato, someone said "Don't screw with package manager", from that day I only started to use what's in the repos
18:07.55Devastatorkoollman which vm do you use? vbox?
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18:08.01koollmanDevastator: kvm
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18:08.19Devastatorkoollman I really need to learn it hehe
18:08.25jellyDevastator: you don't even have to package a kernel to use it.  But it's easy now that upstream has "make deb-pkg"
18:08.43pelmenHi Guys. I am confused a bout config files for openvpn. I have subscription with VPN provider, and they have awhole bunch of hosts to connect to using .ovpn files. I've downloaded them all, changed extension to .conf and moved them all to /etc/openvpn. I have also created systemd service for each one with the name of: openvpn@server. I have enabled only 1 service for 1 server. But it looks like openvpn trie
18:08.49pelmens to connect to all servers on start. So.. should i not be putting all the .conf files into /ets/openvpn ?
18:08.56Devastatorjelly true, don't make me compile it by hand hehe
18:09.21greycatjelly: does that answer the thousands of kernel-config questions for you with sensible default answer?  Because for me, THAT is the hard part.
18:09.24jellyeh, I had to compile every grsec kernel "by hand" until what, a week ago
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18:09.50koollmanDevastator: something like: aptitude install qemu-kvm ; qemu-img create debian.img 2G ; qemu -hda debian.img -cdrom debian.iso -boot d -m 256
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18:10.08Devastatorkoollman so nice hehe :)
18:10.17jellygreycat: it just takes care of the building and packaging
18:10.18koollmanDevastator: err, not qemu for the last part sorry. kvm. or qemu-kvm on older debian versions
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18:10.34chachasmooth$ git-dch
18:10.34chachasmoothgbp:error: Version 1.9.9-2 not found
18:10.36chachasmoothwhat does that mean?
18:10.41jellyoldconfig is still there for you to deal with
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18:12.01koollmanDevastator: the nice feature is that it can also directly take a kernel image as an argument, and will boot it. although it's been a while since I've used it that way. -kernel and -initrd arguments
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18:12.34Devastatorkoollman no worries, I just needed a starting point
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18:14.28koollmanthere are other nice features if you intend to do more kernel developpement, https://blog.nelhage.com/2013/12/lightweight-linux-kernel-development-with-kvm/ gives some examples
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18:15.02koollmanand it gives you another way to build your debian disk image... but installer is ok :)
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18:16.31Devastatorkoollman I'm basically trying to track a performance issue with an ethernet driver, unfortunately I couldn't use git bisect because the performance sucks since it was mainlined in kernel 2.6.21
18:16.37jellyDevastator: there's #kernelnewbies on OFTC, I'd consult them if I wanted to contribute upstream and did not know the proper social and technical procedure
18:17.07Devastatorso what I'm gonna do first is to conform it with latest kernel's api
18:17.33Devastatorjelly thank you again, as always you are so helpful :)
18:17.34donofrio__atworkwhat command would I run to query what type of displays I have
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18:18.11jellygoing afk to drown his helpful ass in beer
18:18.31greycatyou're pouring it in the wrong end!
18:18.37stonedI shall do the same but w/ green things.
18:18.43stonedgreycat: ahahaha
18:18.46jellyTWSS
18:18.51stonedplugging alcohol?
18:18.54stonedThat's... new.
18:19.26stonedI miss simon and jet
18:19.59jellystoned: if you're nice you can find simon in -offtopic once in a blue moon
18:20.04Devastatorjelly hahah you should
18:20.11Devastatorit's friday anyway..
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18:40.59dankeastis there a way for me to know whether i need to restart a machine after an upgrade? whenever i search online google is returning me the reboot_required stuff which seems to be ubuntu specific
18:41.27dankeasti know about check-restart / lsof... but is there an easy way to see if the running kernel isn't the latest?
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18:43.58zykotick9dankeast: what i can say, checkrestart WON'T tell you about kernel updates... :(  only method i know is comparing dpkg version with uname...  good luck.
18:44.20dankeastah, of course!
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18:44.31dankeastyeah, i'm happy to script it... that'd do it
18:44.40dankeastthanks :)
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18:50.44dankeastif ! ^Came -a | grep $(dpkg -l | grep linux-image-[0-9] | awk '{ print $3 }') > /dev/null; then echo "restart needed"; fi
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18:50.57dankeastif ! uname -a | grep $(dpkg -l | grep linux-image-[0-9] | awk '{ print $3 }') > /dev/null; then echo "restart needed"; fi
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18:51.23dankeastnot sure why that got garbled, still. i love linux so much
18:51.35markybobdankeast, what are you doing that you don't know when you do a kernel upgrade that you need a script to tell you?
18:51.42dankeasteverywhere else that'd be some big monolith application that costs money
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18:52.36dankeastwas looking at unattended upgrades
18:52.49markybobdankeast, for kernel? that's crazy
18:52.49dankeastseems like the automatic reboot feature might be ubuntu only?
18:52.57greycatThe ! is not going to work there, since your awk command always returns success.
18:52.58dankeastjust security patches
18:53.11dankeastooops, good point
18:53.14greycatoh... duh, never mind.  the awk is inside $()
18:53.42dankeastwas trying to be clever since i saw someone pointing out my usual wc -l is unesecary
18:54.43dankeastthere was a security patch for the kernel last week, same version and everything just a debu patch
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18:54.56greycatYou're trying to see if uname -a contains ... ALL of the installed kernel-image package names?
18:55.02dankeastthis is just my home server, if it doesn't come back up again it's not a huge problem
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18:55.24dankeastooops
18:55.26greycatI think you may have the logic reversed.
18:55.51dankeasti gave it a quick test on my lappy, there's a definite possibility this thing needs a reboot. haha
18:56.35dankeasti forgot that multiple kernels can be installed, and probably will after an upgrade. i guess a sort / head -n 1?
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18:57.04greycatI don't even know what you're looking for.
18:57.23dankeastjust that the current running kernel is the latest
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18:59.15greycatdpkg -l 'linux-image-[0-9]*' | awk '/^ii/{print $3}' | grep "$(uname -v | awk '{print $4}')"
18:59.16dpkgii  'linux-image-[0-9]*' | awk '/^ii/{print $3}' | grep "$(uname -v | awk '{print $4}')"                 2.6-12           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
18:59.21greycatNot you.
18:59.25dankeasthaha
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19:00.21greycaterr, meant grep -Fx ... and of course you would add -q when you're putting it into the final script
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19:00.57greycatI'm surprised, there doesn't seem to be a way to get just the 4th field of uname -v
19:01.09dankeasti wonder if the * in the grep should be + since there's a linux-image-amd64
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19:01.25greycatThere is no * in my grep.
19:01.34dankeastoh, yeah
19:01.37dankeasthaha
19:01.48greycat-amd64 is a metapackage, so I assumed you wanted to exclude those
19:02.04CircuitsoftHi - question. One of my users wants my remote admin password, because the computer keeps asking for it, even though his user does have sudo/lpadmin/etc access.
19:02.21CircuitsoftHow can I get debian jessie to ask for his own password (Which will work) rather than mine?
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19:02.39greycatCircuitsoft: he's not using sudo.  He's using su.
19:02.43greycatEducate him.
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19:02.52dankeastyeah, i do... that's what i meant
19:02.54CircuitsoftNo, he's using gnome control panel.
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19:04.15Circuitsoftgreycat: It's gnome control panel/system settings that keeps asking.
19:04.27greycatAs soon as you said GNOME, I'm out.
19:04.33CircuitsoftAh.
19:04.34greycatI know nothing about it.
19:04.37CircuitsoftOkay.
19:04.42dankeasti didn't realise about dpkg -l, that's neat
19:04.59CircuitsoftI suspect that GNOME tries to check for admin privileges, wrong.
19:05.09CircuitsoftUsername is MYDOMAIN\username, and it may not be looking at that correctly.
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19:05.19CircuitsoftIf I run "id" as his user, it does show sudo/admin/etc.
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19:06.32CircuitsoftMain reason I installed gnome is because it's default for debian-desktop. Maybe I should install and point people to Xfce instead.
19:06.57jellywhat kind of AD integration are you using?
19:07.06Hello71that's polkit.
19:07.13Hello71install a polkit admin rule.
19:07.30Hello71and you should have specified what action they were doing
19:07.47jellyhell, if they're a member of sudo group, "sudo -i" ought to work
19:08.26greycatI gather the issue is he's clicking shit instead of typing sudo.
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19:09.32WormFoodPeople still use Gnome?
19:09.50dankeasti love gnome
19:10.12WormFoodI thought Gnome died, when the lead developer decided that what the people want doesn't matter.
19:10.24greycat,popcon gdm3
19:10.25juddPopcon data for gdm3: inst: 60325, vote: 40719, old: 12194, recent: 7369, nofiles: 43
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19:10.54greycat,popcon dpkg
19:10.55juddPopcon data for dpkg: inst: 187637, vote: 173595, old: 745, recent: 13247, nofiles: 50
19:10.55WormFoodWhat about all the others combined?
19:11.06dankeastyeah, what they changed it to turns out to be exactly what i want
19:11.06greycatSo... very roughly 1/3 of all popcon-reported installs have it.
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19:11.18mtndankeast: ditto for me
19:11.19WormFoodhaving it, doesn't mean using it.
19:11.30WormFood,popcon xfce4
19:11.31juddPopcon data for xfce4: inst: 24348, vote: 0, old: 1, recent: 0, nofiles: 24347
19:11.45dankeastthe desktop / window management stuff is amazing, the keyboard shortcuts are really powerful
19:11.50markybobi'm not sure a significant percentage of people with gdm3 don't use it. that's stupid
19:11.55Circuitsoft,popcon gnome-core
19:11.56juddPopcon data for gnome-core: inst: 53954, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 53954
19:12.10WormFoodGnome is the default. I'm sure many people just leave it on the default.
19:12.16dankeasti feel really claustrophobic in other desktops without dynamic desktops
19:12.22CircuitsoftHuh. I figured that'd be more. Newer debian-desktop installs use gnome, but lightdm.
19:12.35greycat"Default" is a vague label nowadays with multiple different installer images.
19:12.59jellygreycat: there's also a default installer image with default DE settings.
19:13.02drpresidenthey so i know rpm isnt really a debian thing, but does anyone know if you can install a package locally with rpm?
19:13.08jellyso not THAT vauge.
19:13.09CircuitsoftIf you download a debian installer CD and install desktop with all defaults, you get Gnome with LightDM.
19:13.12WormFoodI can't handle Gnome 3's restrictions. When I tried it, and I gave it an honest try, they couldn't handle dual monitors properly, and the fact they *hide* _notifications_ just boggles my mind. I can no longer look at my screen, and see if there is a notification, I now have to click on it. WTF?!?
19:13.14jellyrouge*
19:14.02CircuitsoftWormFood: From what I can tell, Gnome 3.14 is massively better than Gnome 3.0
19:14.09Circuitsoft(3.14 is in Jessie).
19:14.16dankeastis that right? i installed this lappy from a jessie disk and i think i have gdm3
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19:14.47WormFoodI'm not wasting my time on Gnome, after reading what the lead developer wants, and what he wants, is opposite of what I want.
19:15.09CircuitsoftI've been installing systems with debootstrap, then selecting debian-desktop.
19:15.15CircuitsoftOn my own machine, I use i3.
19:15.18dankeastthat's cool, be glad we're not using apple stuff i guess :)
19:15.34WormFoodBut that is the goal of Gnome 3
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19:16.01dankeastyeah, i mean you have the choice to use this os without it
19:16.03WormFoodI'm not kidding, he (the lead developer, forget his name right now) wants it to be like Mac.
19:16.21dankeastit's not like win8 or osx where you get what you're given
19:16.33WormFoodYou have a lot of choices. It's just if you want to exercise that option or not.
19:16.34CircuitsoftWormFood: Then I wonder why he didn't just fork Etoile.
19:16.52WormFoodI absolutely loved Gome 2
19:16.55dankeasti think macs have fantastic desktops, i'm happy with that
19:17.07WormFoodI don't like their GUI
19:17.16cra1g321points to #debian-offtopic
19:17.16WormFoodThey have stupid restrictions.
19:18.07WormFoodxfce is great for what I need/want out of a GUI. Maybe I'll try the live Gnome 3.1x and see if it's improved since the last time I tried it.
19:18.10abrotmanThere's no "lead developer" .. There's a HIG
19:18.29WormFoodThere is someone in charge
19:18.32CircuitsoftWormFood: Also, check out ROX-Filer.
19:18.43WormFoodwhat's that Circuitsoft?
19:18.47abrotmanWormFood: a project lead?  like a DPL? whoa, horrible idea
19:18.58CircuitsoftAbsolutely the best graphical file manager I've ever used.
19:19.09abrotmanWormFood: FYI: https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/
19:19.25WormFoodI don't use graphical file managers, if I can avoid it. I still prefer to manage my files on a CLI
19:19.31abrotmanGnome3 is no where near OSX
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19:20.01CircuitsoftWormFood: rox is the most cli-like graphical file manger I've used. It really mixes the best of both worlds.
19:20.16abrotmanI've used both for many years.  Gnome3 is far superior to OSX in terms of usability.
19:20.25abrotmanIMHO of course :)
19:21.14abrotmanIt's all very subjective.  That is something that needs to be understood when saying "X is crap, Y is horrible, Z is amazing"
19:21.27WormFoodI dislike GUIs for most things.
19:21.29abrotmanTry not to be too inflammatory ..
19:21.51abrotmanWormFood: Right, I spend most of my days in terminals, but I still have to write documents that someone wants to see with pretty formatting
19:22.06blindAnd you can't script that? :p
19:22.11WormFoodwell, if you wanted to get right down to it, most things are subjective.
19:22.16Brigolatex
19:22.17abrotmanAnd I'm pretty sure my manager would be sad if I started doing things in TeX and sending him PDF output
19:22.25CircuitsoftWormFood: Me too, but for the few times that a graphical file manager is helpful, rox is the most helpful.
19:22.32WormFoodI try to use the right tool for the job.
19:22.35unbornabrotman, I agree.. it all depends of your screen resolution as well, but nothing beats up openbox.. when you need to be focused on coding or writing the things
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19:23.00WormFoodFor what I do, I still prefer a CLI for a vast majority of the things I do, on a day-to-day basis.
19:23.06abrotmanunborn: Disagree, but then again, I was a blackbox user for many years.  Back when it was hosted by the Austin LUG
19:23.23blindblackbox :D  I was a fluxbox user for a long time :)
19:23.46abrotmansee, all the same sides of the coin ..
19:23.51unbornabrotman, I would go with anything is easier for end user.. so we meet our selves there ;)
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19:24.10abrotmanBut I'm sure there's something more interesting to talk about :)
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19:24.55CircuitsoftNow that I have a 39" monitor, I'm really liking i3.
19:24.56unborn..is it just me or every older user of debian was using some alternative to DE ? - mostly lightweight one :)
19:24.56greycatEvery window that I have open is either a terminal or a web browser.  (But there are some other GUI apps that I use from time to time.  Just not right now, not by default.)
19:25.35greycatunborn: Probably not "every", but a good number, yeah.
19:25.41abrotmanunborn: our 486s necessitated that :)
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19:26.21abrotmanI didn't move to a DE until I had a dual 500Mhz with SCSI drives and a fair bit of RAM.
19:26.23CircuitsoftI had (still have) a laptop with a 50MHz 486 - actually ran Windows 95 surprisingly well.
19:26.33sambagirlhere is a good question is there a way i can determine the bios level without rebooting?
19:26.50jellybios level?
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19:26.53unbornabrotman, ah im glad that is away meh however my server in home which host my website is running 486 :D. greycat - good old times...ah yay I miss them all the time
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19:26.57Circuitsoftsambagirl: It's called BMC info - but I can't remember the exact command.
19:27.11Circuitsoftsambagirl: dmidecode, that's it.
19:27.36jellywhat's a bios level
19:27.37unborn@jelly - didnt see you here.. happy new year
19:27.57sambagirlnice command circuitsoft
19:29.51unbornsambagirl, there is no command to execute on bios level meh - there is command to get info from bios but not on bios level - I think that is not even possible. if I am wrong then I am sorry - but on bios level meh?
19:29.59jellyunborn: hi!  If you didn't see me here, you're not here very often.
19:30.05WormFoodsambagirl, you can also check dmesg, for your boot time messages. It will also give that info.
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19:31.05sambagirlthanks wormfood
19:31.33sambagirlhere is another question since i'm on it. it offers me at grub boot for low letency what is that?
19:31.52sambagirland does it matter if i choose ubuntu over low letency?
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19:32.15unbornjelly, kindly true, lately I have been busy with #virtualmin - im sorry, didnt mean to blank you meh.. its 22 days now on so I did somehow blind you or something ;)
19:32.19sambagirlagain installed using wubi and i dont usually do that but it happened to be on the dvd
19:32.23sambagirlso i used it
19:32.59jellysambagirl: the available choice of kernel flavors in your grub menu suggests you're using a derivative distro, not debian
19:33.36unbornloves when user saying those kind of crap :) and then - so I used to it, it just make my day :D
19:33.59jellysambagirl: as we don't know the inner specific of every derivative, please ask such questions in their respective support channel
19:34.58jellysambagirl: debian doesn't have "lowlatency" or "generic" kernels, ubuntu does and so might distros further derived from ubuntu.
19:35.03sambagirlwell jelly this is what comes up from ubuntustudio
19:35.35jellysambagirl: you want the #ubuntustudio channel
19:35.56sambagirlomg i thought i was in ubuntustudio :D
19:35.58sambagirli'm so sorry
19:36.08jellynp
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19:37.22WormFoodInstalled using wubi? I thought wubi 五笔 is a Chinese input method.
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19:38.03sambagirlno wubi is that utility that allows u to install while in windows
19:38.35unbornsambagirl, ubuntu is debian derivate, it may works nicely and similar but it does not replace debian.. I would say anything to do with ubuntu, we may help but you should ask them there.. you know - some stuff from ubuntu (which I am currently on) may not work in debian.. simple is that.
19:39.02sambagirlunborn i know about debian. i have a game server that i have running under debian
19:39.25sambagirli even have run debian on laptops in the past cause compiz works flawlessly with it
19:39.30unbornsambagirl, nope no wubi, all you need to do is reboot the computer and follow beautiful gui from dc meh or dvd.
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19:40.25unbornsambagirl, I have no idea about kompiz, as I am not using it since 2009, please forgive me
19:40.26jellyunborn: current effective channel policy discourages or maybe even forbids helping with derivatives
19:40.35beepie"compiz"
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19:41.09unbornjelly, thats good.. i mean for us or for foss..
19:41.10jellylet the user get appropriate help in the respective channel.  Or ##linux if there is none
19:41.14unbornsure
19:42.14sambagirli apologize again the mouse had me in the wrong channel.
19:42.51unbornsambagirl, dont need to apologize, you are in great channel, you are always welcome :)
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19:46.40unborndoes have anyone experience with sendEmail? I am asking regards sendmail and sendEmail.. do they work nicely?
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19:50.16unbornignore my questions.. sendEmail plays nicely with sendmail.. it does work without interrupting existing environment :) yay great news..
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19:50.33pikithey, how can I create a custom polkit rule to allow remote users to shutdown without root permissions? I tried to create a file at /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/all_all_users_to_shutdown.pkla and also at /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/all_all_users_to_shutdown.pkla with that content: http://pastebin.com/A7J4s4CJ
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19:51.00pikitdoesn't work at all. I'm using raspbian (based on debian jessie)
19:51.21greycat!raspbian
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19:51.22dpkgRaspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>.  Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.  Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.   http://www.raspbian.org/
19:51.42unborn...only su should be able to reboot or halt..
19:52.08YoubiHello, I have a Debian 8.1 installed on an arm device, but when I run `manpage ls`, I get:
19:52.13Youbiman ls*
19:52.22YoubiNo manual entry for ls
19:52.24YoubiSee 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
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19:52.44pikitunborn: should be configurable, shouldn't it?
19:52.57YoubiAnd `man 7 undocumented` gives me “No manual entry for undocumented in section 7”
19:53.09greycatI think I remember something "If man-db was not installed at the time you installed <foo>, then <foo>'s man pages are deleted" but maybe I am mis-remembering.
19:53.23pikitI mean it says "==== AUTHENTICATING FOR org.freedesktop.login1.power-off === Authentication is required for powering off the system." so I should be able to change the setting...
19:53.41greycatYoubi: what happens if you reinstall coreutils?
19:54.13unbornpikit, as greycat pointed we do not support rasbian however as ICT speaking, no.. only su should be able to do this.. if you need reboot frequently you can do crontab within su permissions..
19:55.09beepieYoubi, the cron weekly or daily task didnt run "mandb" yet, you can try to manually now try to run "mandb"
19:55.21beepieYoubi, (as superuser)
19:55.26Youbigreycat: It doesn’t change anything :/
19:55.45Youbi0 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages.
19:55.46Youbi0 manual pages were added.
19:55.49Youbi0 stray cats were added.
19:55.50Youbi0 old database entries were purged.
19:55.52Youbi:/
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19:56.18unbornpikit, rebooting server while users are in.. bad idea.. I would suggest you to use su or perhaps add users to su which means you will loose who is installing what control.. it is not good and for sake of security, dont do it..
19:56.24jellyYoubi: how did you install debian?
19:56.37jhutchinspikit: You could create a sudo entry for a group and join those members to a group.
19:56.59Youbijelly: I put an image made from the vendor of my board on an SD card.
19:57.13CircuitsoftYoubi: Is it raspbian?
19:57.14YoubiI searched the documentation from the vendor but didn’t find anything :/
19:57.18jellyYoubi: ask your vendor what they did with apt to remove the man pages.
19:57.26YoubiCircuitsoft: nope, it’s Debian from olimex
19:57.35pikitunborn: This isn't a server. It is an robot. Yes I could use a sudo entry. Just thought that policykit would be the way to go
19:57.37Youbijelly: good idea ^^
19:57.55CircuitsoftYoubi: Ask on #olimex
19:57.56jellyYoubi: they should have docs on how they create the image.
19:58.12unbornjhutchins, well said as I advice but he need to know that he will have no control over the machine...you know spammers often ask this
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19:58.55unbornpikit, yeah I understand - follow my advice along with jhutchins one.
19:59.10unbornthat would short your issue out right a way.
19:59.17jellyYoubi: while you wait for their answer, look under /etc/apt/ for any signs of tampering with man pages at install time
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19:59.53jelly<Youbi> 0 old database entries were purged. # suggests something like localepurge but for useful documentation
19:59.55Youbijelly: Oh, didn’t think about that.
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20:00.46jellyYoubi: apt has these bindings to call different scripts before of after installation of packages
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20:01.05Linnakhi, I have Elantech touchpad in my laptop. The double tap doesn't work as right click and the scrolling neither. Which driver do I have to install?
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20:01.58pikitunborn: ok thank you. But I still don't understand the reason, why one can't create a custom rule for that. Anyway, I tried that rule for enough time, I'll just add an entry for sudo.
20:02.17jellyYoubi: grep -R -E 'DPkg::(Pre|Post)' /etc/apt/
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20:02.52Youbi/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf:DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";};
20:02.54Youbi/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02apt-get-clean:DPkg::Post-Invoke { "rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*.deb /var/cache/apt/*.bin || true"; };
20:02.56unbornits not server its robot - if isnt that server what it is or it could be.. ?????
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20:03.11Youbijelly: nothing about man :/
20:03.36unbornpikit, for server ? security policy is great thing..
20:04.04jellyYoubi: but you donhave a very non-standard /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02apt-get-clean
20:04.08jellydo* have
20:04.43unbornpikit, only su should have option to reboot... as I said very well, if you need to reboot server regularly please run crontab as root and it will do the job for you.
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20:05.12pikitunborn: ok. It isn't a server in the normal way of thinking. I mean it has two wheels. The Idea is that people can program the robot via ssh and also shut it down (without root permissions). They are used for teaching.
20:05.53pikitSince the robot is mobile (runs on batteries) it has to be shut down.
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20:07.26unbornpikit, aha, sort of vm machine.. well I had trouble with kind of robots my self, 4 gigs of data in 2 hours downloaded - you know, misbehaving bots and that was for mobile as well :) never mind.. give the users su or do it via cron.. simple is that..
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20:09.02umbSublimeCan someone help me figure out why "id" and "id $USER" give me two different results http://pastebin.com/gr79sDE0
20:09.20unbornpikit, my site is only 68K :) to just mention you how easy it can be missused.. this means crontab for you within having all control by your self.. its simple..
20:10.52jellyumbSublime: you didn't log off and back on after adding yourself to the new groups?
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20:11.18umbSublimeno, yet I can use commands allowed only to docker group just fine
20:11.31pikitThere is no way that I'll give the students root powers. I think an entry for poweroff in the sudoers will just work.
20:11.52jellywell, do that and try again
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20:12.17umbSublimeyou mean actually log off ? or just opening a new shell should suffice (because it isn;t)
20:12.43unbornumbSublime, reboot the machine.. the correct entries should looks like this: http://hastebin.com/obijujekuv.coffee
20:13.28umbSublimehmm, there is no way to resolve this without rebooting ?
20:14.26greycatumbSublime: log out and back in, or in a single window you can do "exec su - $LOGNAME" but that will only affect the shell in that one window.
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20:14.49umbSublimegreycat, good enough for now thanks, I'll give it a shot
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20:17.37kionOn Settings -> Online Accounts, what does Facebook and Google accounts do If I give debian my credentials for those services?
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20:19.49incalwhen I try to burn with wodim, it says "Errno: 5 (Input/output error), test unit ready scsi sendcmd: no error" - and, wodim --devices says "Cannot open SCSI driver!" ideas?
20:19.55wewladerror: { AMNF }
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20:21.10unbornincal, the message it self is saying to you what you need to do...
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20:21.51incalhow do I do that?
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20:22.27unbornincal, cannot you use brasero or something like that?
20:22.59unbornI have same error msg too.. but brasero works normally incal
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20:23.37pikitunborn: got shutdown working with policykit. with that rule: http://pastebin.com/7s59EH1f
20:23.58incalunborn: brasero says replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD
20:24.13incalit is a normal CD-R, isn't that supported?
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20:24.45Circuitsoftincal: Probably, but it's actually hardware dependent. If the burner was made in the last 10 years, though, then it should be supported.
20:24.51unbornpikit, that is great solution
20:25.02unbornpikit, also thank you :)
20:25.04Mitzelflick_anyone here know the steps to generating self signde cert for apache httpd?
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20:25.32incalCircuitsoft: can I verify that somehow?
20:25.48unbornMitzelflick_, are you one website or vitrual?
20:26.30Circuitsoftincal: wodim -prcap
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20:26.56unbornincal, ^^^^
20:27.11incalCircuitsoft: it says "Does write CD-R media"
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20:27.35Circuitsoftincal: What command line are you using to write with wodim?
20:27.47Mitzelflick_its a demo box for our website, somedemoname.ourdomain.com
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20:28.01litheumis there a "right" way to install a bunch of .debs that i've manually downloaded which have complex dependencies on one another and also on packages available from standard repositories?
20:28.08unbornincal, http://hastebin.com/alowidejel.rb - this is on my end
20:28.16unbornso it should really works.
20:28.40Circuitsoftlitheum: "cd /path/where/downloaded; sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
20:28.40incalCircuitsoft: wodim -v dev=$DVD -eject -sao $iso # DVD is /dev/sr0, iso is the file
20:28.45litheumapt-get and aptitude cannot work on .deb files as far as i can tell. dpkg -i on the whole bunch of them fails because of the dependencies on the packages in the standard repositories. gdebi didn't work out becuase it appears to accept only one package at a time. i'm really lost :(
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20:28.50CircuitsoftThat will result in broken packages, but then run aptitude and it will fix them.
20:28.53greycatlitheum: dpkg -i *.deb;   and then run "apt-get -f install" to pull in the dependencies.
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20:29.05unbornCircuitsoft, aha :) then https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=generate+self+signed+certificate&oq=generate+self&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.4034j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=apache+generate+self+signed+certificate+debian
20:29.27litheumgreycat: apt-get install -f seems to just want to remove the half-installed packages! http://sprunge.us/bjaF
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20:30.35Circuitsoftlitheum: Use aptitude, hit "e" to view resolutions, and hit "." to step through resolutions until you have a resolution that looks good to you.
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20:32.01litheumahhhh i wonder if i forgot to do apt-get update before trying to do this ... maybe apt-get isn't finding the packages in the repositories because it doesn't know anything about the repositories yet
20:32.56morfyes
20:33.35pikitunborn: I'll now use: http://pastebin.com/N5C5UCuN
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20:33.51pikit(just for your information)
20:33.55unbornlitheum, please stick to your apt-get or aptitude commands - it will pay off for your usage.. its mainly just database but when you come to issues - you will have to use one or other..
20:34.05litheumunborn: huh?
20:34.08litheumwe have a lot of users who want/need to be able to install these packages without access to the internet from their servers, so i am trying to put together some set of instructions that will allow them to do so.
20:34.55unbornlitheum, aptitude and apt are two different things.. thats what I was about.
20:35.01litheumunborn: i would happily use either apt-get or aptitude, but as far as i know it is not possible to get either of them to operate on .deb files that are downloaded to the filesystem
20:36.00morfwhy...
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20:36.28unbornlitheum, is package locally available?
20:36.44litheumunborn: i have a bunch of .deb files i've manually downloaded.
20:36.48unbornI mean as source code or as an deb file?
20:36.52bonhoefferi don’t have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf on my rasp pi — has this changed in more recent deb versions?
20:37.07unbornso its deb :) okay then you should be able to install them
20:37.36unbornlitheum, what happen when you try to run them via terminal?
20:37.42unbornany error msg?
20:37.43cra1g321greycat said the answer 17mins ago....
20:37.46litheumunborn: "try to run them"? what does "run them" mean?
20:38.18unbornlitheum, try to run deb package means install them..
20:38.23litheumcra1g321: yes, he did. it didn't work, but i think that's because i hadn't done apt-get update. i'm waiting now for that to finish and i'm chatting with this other fellow in the meantime, though i think that's not so productive.
20:38.24unbornor it
20:38.43litheumunborn: "run them" sure does not mean "install them" in any sense of those 2 verbs i am comfortable using
20:39.26unborn.deb packages are for install litheum
20:39.32litheumunborn: just stop. you're not helping.
20:39.39unbornok
20:39.43cra1g321maybe giving some info about the deb files and where you got them will help folks ;)
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20:41.52litheumcra1g321: well it's a bunch of packages related to mariadb. i am trying to put together some procedure that can be used by our customers to install the package files when they can't do so from the repository we provide.
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20:46.15popnflosslibGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:46.21popnflossim getting this error when i try to run skype
20:46.32popnflossi followed the instructions on the wiki for installing skype on jessie 64 bit
20:46.35popnflossbut it aint workin
20:46.54popnflossim sure its something to do with using fglrx instead of the open source driver
20:47.02popnflossbut im not sure what i need to change/install to make it find the library
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20:47.47greycatIt would have nothing to do with fglrx.  You just need to install the right library packages.
20:48.04greycatIs Skype a 32-bit or a 64-bit program?
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20:48.33greycatTry installing libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
20:48.42popnflossi did
20:48.50popnflossits installed but theres no libGL in /usr/lib
20:49.01popnflossor in /lib
20:49.05greycatIt should be in  /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0
20:49.29greycatand libGL.so.1 is a symlink to that
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20:49.45popnflosstheres libglapi and libGLU
20:49.49popnflossbut no libGL
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20:50.18greycat$ dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 | grep libGL.so.1
20:50.18greycat/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0
20:50.18greycat/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
20:50.27litheumgreycat: yeah, even after getting the cache updated, apt-get install -f wants to remove some of the packages i need to install... http://sprunge.us/OIgL
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20:51.06popnfloss/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
20:51.07popnflossdiverted by glx-diversions to: /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
20:51.19popnflossso should i just make a symlink in i386-linux-gnu
20:51.24popnflossor should i make the symlink in /usr/lib
20:51.25litheumfor some reason it looks like one of the packages i want to install (mariadb-server-10.1) isn't even getting installed part way. must be this "pre-dependency problem" in the dpkg output.
20:52.18popnflossill just do it in i386
20:52.23popnflossok that worked
20:52.26popnflossthanks
20:52.47popnflossthey should add that to the wiki
20:53.04greycatisn't quite sure what glx-diversions does... sounds invasive.
20:53.21popnflossi guess its something fglrx does
20:53.28greycatIt's a debian package.
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20:53.56greycat,info glx-diversions
20:53.57juddPackage glx-diversions (contrib/libs, optional) in jessie/amd64: prepare for using accelerated GLX implementations from GPU vendors. Version: 0.5.1; Size: 9.2k; Installed: 13k
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20:56.38babilengreycat: It essentially manages various symlinks to different GLX libraries (e.g. nvidia, amd, ..)
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20:59.25qiaucan I lock a specific network adapter to wlan0 resp. wlan1 ? .. as it is now, the fist usb wifi-adapter I plugin will always become wlan0.. but I want it to be the same each time..
20:59.41qiaui.e. lock wlan0 to a specific mac, and wlan1 to another mac
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21:02.21babilenqiau: Take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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21:04.38popnflossis there a way to change xf86audioraisevolume to work on a different device
21:04.51popnflossi dont want my volume buttons on my headset to be changing the volume of my speakers
21:05.00qiaubabilen: thanks, I'll check it out
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21:05.08greycatCan't you just use alsamixer?
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21:05.59popnflossi am using alsamixer
21:06.02popnflosswhat are you talking about
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21:09.18tharkunI tried to see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6aECjnpLTw&feature=youtu.be and youtube complains about not recognizing any of the video formats available. Looking into their page I set it up to use whatever is available but I get nothing in response.
21:09.29tharkunIs this the right tree to bark?
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21:13.14jhutchinstharkun: What browser, and what video plugins do you have for it?
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21:15.07tharkunjhutchins: standard iceweasel And it has the standard set. Appart from this particular video youtube works fine.
21:15.19tharkuns/standard/out of the box/
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21:17.30cra1g321on chromium it uses html5 player, iceweasel it uses flashplugin, so likely need flash
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21:20.41unborncra1g321, is that mean to be help question or answer?
21:21.22cra1g321just some info for tharkun
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21:22.49unborn..cra1g321 ah i see.. google browser does not use flash.. for more info please google it..
21:23.21cra1g321google browser does not use flash, er yes it does
21:23.35greycatI've been led to believe that chrome ships with flash installed and you can't disable it.
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21:23.45unbornbuild in one..
21:23.51markybobit does. but you can disable it
21:23.57cra1g321^ that
21:23.57unbornotherwise you aint need to install anything..
21:24.30popnflosshow do you make the mute button on a logitech headset work
21:24.33popnflossits not even detected in xev
21:25.06unborncra1g321, well suit your self as you need.. :)
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21:26.43jimit looks like hexchat in jessie is fixed by the patch from tingping in #hexchat
21:26.56jimbrb, testing to make sure
21:27.13unbornpopnfloss, hi - (as you know humans matter - always say hi) - in short it should work..
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21:28.36markybobpretty sure "always say hi" isn't a #debian rule and no old timer would follow it :P
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21:29.50jpalmerain't nobody got time to say hi.  we're busy people.
21:30.05unbornmarkybob, well as we are humans - it would be nice from anyone to say at least hello or hi, otherwise what would be the purpose of this channel? tell me :)
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21:30.12jpalmertell me what the issue is,  so I can promptly decide if it's something I can help with, or ignore.
21:30.22greycatIt's more of a signal/noise ratio thing for me.  I don't expect a tech support channel like this to be stuffed with greetings.
21:30.29cra1g321i dont think the purpose if this channel is to say hi to each other
21:30.30markybobunborn, the purpose isn't to chat. it's for support
21:30.32cra1g321of*
21:30.53jpalmerunborn: the point,  is help.      support channels don't exist for pleasantries.  thats what your significant other is for.
21:30.56unbornmarkybob, okay I do got it now..
21:31.01jimyeah, works fine
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21:31.17jim,maint hexchat
21:31.18juddSorry, there is no record of 'hexchat'.
21:31.19d5rgjpalmer: nice implication
21:31.23greycatjim: just file a bug report
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21:31.50greycat(or add your patch to an existing one, if there is one)
21:32.04jimgreycat, there.s not a record of it?
21:32.10jim,v hexchat
21:32.10greycatI wouldn't know.  I don't use that package.
21:32.12juddPackage: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1; stretch: 2.10.2-1+b3; sid: 2.10.2-1+b3
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21:32.23jimthere we go... but no maint?
21:32.34jimjudd, maint hexchat
21:32.35juddSorry, there is no record of 'hexchat'.
21:32.58unbornpopnfloss, please use xchat or irssi.
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21:33.28jimgreycat, the one in jessie has a pretty bad annoying bug, easy fix
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21:34.05greycatIs it shown on http://bugs.debian.org/hexchat ?
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21:34.08unbornjim, if that is easy fix, please write docs and publish it somewhere...
21:34.15gabrielsymeusing linux for the first time, is it possible to upgrade between releases or is a fresh install required?
21:34.17greycatAnd "somewhere" is bugs.debian.org
21:34.18jimI do want to file a report... but there's no one will receive it?
21:34.25greycat!reportbug
21:34.26dpkgreportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>.  Install reportbug, then run reportbug.  Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting.  Also ask me about <report-bugs>.  http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug  http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
21:35.04gobelin789gabrielsyme, some distros are rolling release some are not, debian is not. a new install is suggested
21:35.14greycatThe maintainer is shown on the bugs.d.o page.  I wouldn't take the bot's output as gospel.
21:35.18jimis there a way to list the bug report numbers on a package?
21:35.29greycathttp://bugs.debian.org/hexchat
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21:35.40jimthanks
21:35.45greycatreportbug will also retrieve them and display them in a pager-like system
21:36.00gabrielsymegobelin789: that's a shame but I can live with that, thanks
21:36.04markybobgabrielsyme, a fresh install is not suggested. debian supports upgrading from releases just fine. that'd be a pain in the ass
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21:37.08cra1g321one of the many things debian is actually popular for
21:37.34anonkunI wish I could actually get debian to install on my pc :P
21:37.42dankeasthah, like the old joke that the debian installer was so bad because people only ever saw it once
21:38.20jim"Maintainers for hexchat are Jesse Rhodes <drubo@drubo.net>", does he come on irc?
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21:38.31greycatAlas, times have changed and now there is a category of person who installs OSs over and over and over and over and over and ... and over on VMs.  I don't get it, but people do this.
21:38.38cafuego,seen drubo
21:38.40markybobjim, reportbug will get it to him. use that
21:38.41unbornjim, I am sure he does..
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21:38.59unbornjim, but here... who knows.. :D
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21:39.11greycatThe bug tracking system is the correct way to report the problem and the patch.
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21:39.26unbornjim, ^^^^^
21:39.31anonkunIs there a place where I can complain about the unofficial proprietary iso not working? the free iso doesnt work at all either. For my hardware.
21:39.45dankeasti'm sort of doing that at work, but i use vagrant so it's more like i run scripts that install vms over and over
21:39.45jimhmm, I dunno if I saved the patch url
21:40.40dankeastvery handy when writing software to be able to nuke the thing and get it back to how you were, takes the worry out of trying things out
21:40.48unbornanonkun, debian.com.. is great place to start
21:41.09unbornor .org...
21:41.13jimanonkun, normally kernels support hardware
21:41.43anonkunyeah but I needed some proprietary driver for my motherboard apparently
21:41.58unbornanonkun, so install it..
21:41.59anonkunonly the debian installer needs it. Works fine with arch, ubuntu etc
21:42.25anonkunBut when I put in the bootable USB in the location it wants me to, the installer fails to detect it
21:42.31dankeastdebian favours free software a lot more than most distros
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21:42.50anonkunI know
21:42.57jimanonkun, so, likely it's the kernel that boots in the installer you're using
21:43.09unbornanonkun, yeah i see your issue.. still my advice would be install it
21:43.33anonkununborn: you didn't get it. The installer fails to detect the driver.
21:43.41anonkunjim: I see, so I just wait for a newer version?
21:43.51unbornanonkun, I did get it ..
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21:44.08atralheavenhello
21:44.18zykotick9anonkun: did you use unetbootin to create this usb?
21:44.19atralheavenhow can I install php7 on debian?
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21:44.31anonkunI used "dd" to make the USB
21:44.37unbornI am getting off from people who just dont know what they are doing.. :)
21:44.39karlpincanonkun: Have you looked at the installer instructions?
21:44.44markybobatralheaven, you probably shouldn't. but there is dotdeb
21:45.11anonkunkarlpinc: yup and followed them, but the installer fails to "load" the driver during install. This was like a month ago.
21:45.36unbornatralheaven, sudo apt-...
21:45.42karlpincanonkun: You might get more help if you gave details.  What hardware, what driver, etc.
21:45.49anonkunhang on
21:45.51anonkunlet me check
21:45.53markybobatralheaven, https://www.dotdeb.org/ if you really need/want it. i'm not recommending it
21:46.09jimanonkun, what are you trying to do, test debian?
21:46.19anonkunI'm trying to install it
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21:46.45dankeastthere's an unofficial iso with all the proprietary packages on it somewhere...
21:47.06markybobcdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
21:47.35atralheavenmarkybob: why? I just wanted to learn it
21:47.43zykotick9dankeast: markybob anonkun started off by asking where to file bugs about the unofficial... then mentioned the regular debian image didn't work either.
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21:47.54markybob!dpkg tell atralheaven about dotdeb
21:47.59jimanonkun, I noted with interest that you're aware of other dists whose installers work... is it possible you can find out the differences?
21:48.04dankeastahhh, sorry. i'll be quiet
21:48.20anonkunjim: I would like to. Because I really like debian and want it to be my main distro, what should I do?
21:48.33anonkunI'll boot up the installer again and take pics of the errors.
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21:48.49markybobatralheaven, their packages have...had problems in the past
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21:49.28atralheavenmarkybob: oh I thought you don't recommend version 7 of php
21:50.03atralheavenmarkybob: so php is fine, just this package may not be ok, right?
21:50.12unborngobelin789, shit disk :) you should be on ssd at least.. 500gigs..
21:50.19markybobatralheaven, yes
21:50.50atralheavenmarkybob: thanks! is there any better way to install it?
21:50.53jimanonkun, I do too, I wonder if you could debootstrap from a working dist and then install a working kernel... (with the proviso that you can find out which installable kernel does work on your hardware)
21:51.16markybobatralheaven, not that i'm aware of
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21:51.38tharkuncra1g321: no it is totally html5 compliant. It is firefox rebranded.
21:51.49atralheaventhanks!
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21:52.24jimanonkun, there are some holes in my thinkiing about this, particularly I don't know how you'd find out
21:52.25tharkungreycat: chrome is a piece of ... but for other aspects. Not relevant to this discussion
21:52.37anonkunjim: im on linuxmint, its possible to install debian without losing my data( I mean i hve it backed up but..)
21:52.47gobelin789unborn, i'm on ssd
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21:53.10jimit's vaguely possible you could debootstrap into a chroot
21:53.24karlpincanonkun: Depends on what "your data" is.  If you have a separate home partition you can install and not touch that, then mount it.
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21:53.43anonkunI don't have a separate home partition :(
21:54.02unborngobelin789, im on same machine - I guess you noted the speed however bigger hdd is better..
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21:54.46karlpincanonkun: So long as you've extra space you can install. It's just a matter of how.  You may need to shrink your existing partions to make room.  (Be sure to shrink the filesystems first (!) or use a tool that does all this for you.)
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21:55.21anonkunkarlpinc: I don't have LVM, I can still shrink the partition?
21:55.30markybobanonkun most people don't have that much in /home...you should be able to copy it all to a usb stick
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21:56.06markybobunless your running a download seed box or something
21:56.11karlpincanonkun: Yes.  Filesystems can be shrunk, then the partition shrunk to fit.  But markybob's suggestion is better.
21:56.21anonkunmarkybob: I already have backups of most my configs, but its still painful to reinstall all the stuff I have, since i keep data in my videos, pictures and other folders, which adds up to quite a bit when I have to reinstall all my apps too.
21:57.20karlpincanonkun: Configs are often awkward.  They are sometimes not compatible across software versions.  Going backwards to an earlier version is especially troublesome.
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21:57.50unbornmarkybob, that is wrong.. novadays is different.. how can I copy 400gigs to usb stick - is there any usb stick like that? - im just running few vms and have about 100gigs of documents.. rest is downloads.....
21:57.59karlpincanonkun: You have any unallocated disk space?
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21:58.35anonkunkarlpinc: sadly, nope. Was too lazy during my initial install and have some regrets about that. No LVM and no separate /home.
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21:58.56markybobunborn, in that case you almost certainly want to copy it to an external disk (likely via usb) rather than shrink/resize things. but thanks
21:59.11anonkunkarlpinc: but I do have a lot of "free space"
21:59.46unbornmarkybob, yeah - correct..
21:59.54karlpincanonkun: So shrink the fs, then shrink the partition.  I always feel more comfortable doing that while booted off a cd or something so you're not resizing a mounted filesystem.  I never have any trouble growing, but I've not looked into what shrinks when mounted and what does not.
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22:00.20anonkunkarlpinc: does gparted do this?
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22:01.01unbornanonkun, yes
22:01.19karlpincanonkun: I think so...  could be wrong.  I always use resize2fs, then the partioning tool.
22:01.25anonkunill make a bootable gparted pendrive and try it.
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22:05.38engysHi, is there any way to disable the gnome compositor to stop video tearing in iceweasel? I try to find anything but what I have read so far is that mutter has no feature to disable the compositor.
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22:14.26tharkunSome time ago we had a big space crunch and a string shoe budget to solve it, so I resorted to switching from gzip to xz for compression purposses. We survived but it seems this year we will get a new SAN server to play with. What compressor is the one that gives the best relation between size and time spent compressing. That is a parameter not easily obtainable without doing some extensive checking. I am willing to risk the common knowledge to get a good
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22:15.28markybobtharkun, i'd still use xz
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22:16.41tharkunmarkybob: Why so if compression time has been linearly growing since we began the process?
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22:18.05dnorOnce you’ve seen it, you wouldn’t look at the Debian logo quite the same way again. http://i.imgur.com/dimBu3z.jpg
22:18.08markybobtharkun, gnu coreutils, debian, opensuse, fedora, arch, slackware, gentoo, linux kernel...all use xz. but if you think you know better...feel free
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22:20.22tharkunmarkybob: I didn't know about that but thanks for the heads up :)
22:21.41karlpincmarkybob: xz is different from other compression approaches in it's memory requirements etc.  In the end "it all depends".
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22:22.44markybobsure it depends. i gave a response with the information given.
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22:28.00jhutchinsThere are some good compression benchmark tests posted to the web.
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22:28.18MerovothAnyone know if there are any bug fixes for gedit under Win 8?
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22:28.49simonlnuask the gnome folks
22:29.06MerovothThanks
22:29.10kion<PROTECTED>
22:29.22simonlnu?
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22:30.10markybobMerovoth, no. gnome on windows hasn't been updated since 2.30, 2014-05-09. latest is 3.19.3 2016-01-19
22:30.49simonlnukion: debian doesn't ever see those....
22:31.09markybobkion, i'm assuming you're using ubuntu?
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22:31.16Merovothmarkybob: I don't know about putting gnome on Windows. I just have - I guess - a ported version of Gedit.
22:31.29kionsimonlnu, I meant my linux box...
22:31.30MerovothIt's an .exe.
22:31.40markybobMerovoth, i meant gedit.
22:31.47MerovothOk
22:31.55kionmarkybob, No, I moved on, and stopped using ubuntu this year, now I am fully on debian
22:32.35simonlnukion: is this like gnome or kde or whatever? check your home dir, in .gnome and .kde
22:32.35MerovothThere's a weird clipboard issue with Gedit that I haven't seen in previous versions of Windows. The clipboard contents don't always transfer to other Windows applications.
22:32.36kionmarkybob, and very happy with the change so far. btw
22:32.57MerovothGoing from Gedit to Windows programs.
22:33.01simonlnuMerovoth: i've seen this before on windows gtk apps
22:33.24Merovothsimonlnu: do you know any way to fix it?
22:33.58simonlnunope. put up with it is what i used to do.
22:34.01kionsimonlnu, I was just wandering what functionality my debian box would have If I go on and put my FB credentials under the Online Accounts  configuration
22:34.10simonlnu(*REALLY* OT FYI)
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22:34.43MerovothCrap.  I love using Gedit.  Beats the hell out of Notepad, too.  Thanks, anyway.
22:34.55simonlnukion: your box being to auto-login to fb? doesn't add very much IMO :)
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22:35.02simonlnuMerovoth: notepad++
22:35.18simonlnudecent replacement
22:35.19MerovothIs that Linux or Windows?
22:35.26simonlnuwindows
22:35.34markybobMerovoth, windows. it's pretty good
22:35.36simonlnusupports winxp to 10
22:35.50MerovothIs it online, somewhere?  I'll find it.
22:36.01MerovothAnd, is it anything like Gedit?
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22:36.21MerovothOr, like a Linux editor, period?
22:38.12markybobMerovoth, i wouldn't go that far...but it probably is your best windows alternative
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22:38.55Merovothmarkybob: Ok. I'll look for it.  This clipboard problem is driving me crazy.  It doesn't do it all of the time, either.
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23:01.47awal1With recent updates, Iceweasel have a new feature in config---» privacy about "tracking" and 'disconnectme'. What happens exactly here? Iceeweasel is all the time connected to disconnectme servers/website  or what? Any privacy concern?
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23:04.05ravegenIf i use samba, do i need windows server still to do active directory group policy?
23:04.09awal1I have noticied that some websites loads slowely since that new feature. A choice between being tracked+fast browsing or not tracked (who knows if thats really true" and slow browsing? :):):(
23:04.36beepieravegen, 'active directory' can work with winbind or ldap
23:04.53beepieravegen, there's also 'adam'
23:05.03beepieravegen, but you should consult this with your MS documentation
23:05.25allizomawal1: actually if you using tracking protection webpages should load faster
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23:05.51allizomdo you use private browsing windows? which version of iceweasel?
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23:07.03ravegenBeepie, why consult with ms documentation?
23:07.16awal1allizom: right, thats what should  occur, but in some websites, the contrary happens...
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23:08.20ravegenBeepie, does that mean i still need windows server to work with active directory?
23:08.29beepieravegen, yes
23:08.36awal1Hmmm, I'm in sid machine. iceweasel 43+. I use custom settings/personalized iceweasel config, allizom
23:08.51beepieravegen, but there are 'extensions' /plugins whatever MS calls it so it can work with non-active directory (unix/linux) servers
23:09.20quanticbeepie: That's not entirely accurate.
23:09.32beepiequantic, it's not supposed to be.
23:09.36quanticravegen: Some Googling will find you information on Samba's capabilities around GPOs and whatnot.
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23:10.17quanticravegen: But, in short, Samba4 does support group policies. I've never implemented it, but it does claim the capability.
23:10.22beepiequantic, that's wrong. he wants integration with "AD" -- this is in MS documentaiton.
23:10.25beepie.
23:10.39quanticbeepie: That's not what he asked at all.
23:10.47ravegenQuantic, i want to know exactly if i can do active directory without windows server.
23:10.48quanticbeepie: "Do I need Windows Server to do AD group policy."
23:10.58quanticbeepie: The answer to that exact question is no.
23:11.00allizomawal1, I see
23:11.16beepieravegen, "AD" is "Windows server" after Windows Server 2003
23:11.17quanticravegen: With ALL of AD's capabilities, no. Group policies, specifically, yes.
23:11.44quanticAD is a Windows Server role. They are not synonymous.
23:11.55quanticBut that's drastically off topic for #debian.
23:12.06quanticravegen: Go forth and Google, and good luck.
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23:12.30beepiethey are very quite synonmous when talked about loosely. and of course obviously off-topic. AD-integration with "unix" is well documented.
23:12.40awal1allizom: private browsing is just a myth, it's only related to no save history, cookies...", something like that
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23:12.41quanticbeepie: No, they are not synonymous. End of story.
23:13.08beepiequantic, no need to stretch cluelessness. He is confused himself. "MS" documentation that is. over.
23:13.10ravegenIm not totally knowing on AD but what i want to achieve is to create domain user and control them with group policies like prevent them to software installs, certain websites, etc.
23:13.35beepieravegen, the equivalent is using "LDAP" on unix/linux.
23:13.49allizomawal1: I know, it's just that in 43 tracking protection can only be enabled for private windows from Preferences
23:13.56beepieravegen, i mentioned this. Look into that. I also mentioned "ADAM"(MS documentation). You have to look online on this.
23:14.05quanticravegen: That's not really a topic for #debian, but you can likely find more effective support elsewhere.
23:14.27quanticravegen: #samba, for instance.
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23:15.00ravegenQuantic, so it has specific channel. Ok.
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23:15.26ravegenBeepie, ldap, adam, ok.
23:15.30awal1allizom: that's what I see in iceweasel settings yeah, but seems that it's enabled in normal windows, not only in private windows,
23:15.31ravegenTnx guys
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23:17.43allizomawal1: do you have privacy.trackingprotection.enabled set to true?
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23:18.32allizomthe prefs for this feature are explained in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Tracking_protection
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23:19.28awal1Yes enabled, but in the configs it says that it's for private windows . Probably I'm wrong, probably it's not iceweasel concern but adblock/noscript interfering since there new updates. I'll check what happens closely.  Excuse my possible mistake, allizom
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23:19.57awal1allizom: are you using v. 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1 ?
23:20.06awal1the stable one
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23:20.32allizomthe stable one does not have this feature at all
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23:21.31awal1this new feature is present since v. 43+ I think so
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23:23.54allizomawal1: 42 FTR https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/42.0/releasenotes/
23:25.28awal1allizom: ok, thanks for the links
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23:36.41bonhoefferi’m trying to run a tornado webserver, but getting a connection refused — is there a security setting i should check
23:36.43bonhoeffer?
23:39.40kionbonhoeffer, try "sudo netstat -tvnlp" to see if your server is actually listening
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23:41.21bonhoefferok — on tcp local: 0.0.0.0:8090 foreign address: 0.0.0.0:*
23:41.30bonhoefferso that should be right afaik
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23:43.11wolfmitchellquick question, why does the ruby2.1 package have libjs-jquery as a recommended package?
23:43.47bonhoefferkion: any thoughts on that?
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23:47.40kionbonhoeffer, now try to see your firewall "sudo iptables -L -vn" and check that you are allowing that traffic
23:48.33bonhoeffernot familar here — but there are sections for INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT with nothing under them
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23:54.31t4nk399hey can anyone help i want to install apt-get install python3-pip
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23:54.56t4nk399but i keep getting the message: it comes up with unable to locate package python3-pip
23:55.18t4nk399im using Jessie
23:55.33t4nk399it does however say building dependancy tree and reading state information but then fails
23:55.44duellet4nk399: Can you find the package using "apt-cache search python3-pip"?
23:56.11kionbonhoeffer, that means that you have not set a firewall, something totally undesirable on a server, I assume that your INPUT chain has the Default as Allow
23:57.30kionbonhoeffer, Now that we checked that your server is listening, and your firewall is not blocking traffic, your only source of denying a connection is the application itself, check your tornado configuration, and I can not help there I don't even know what it is
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23:58.03bonhoefferyeah, each has the policy of ACCEPT
23:58.04mtnt4nk399: check your sources: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
23:58.36kionbonhoeffer, most databases for example will have rules to select from which hosts you can connect and from which you can't , it must be something like that
23:58.52bonhoefferok — so iptables is empty with a policy of ACCEPT means no firewall at all
23:58.56kionbonhoeffer, and don't forget to write the correct rules for your firewall
23:59.03bonhoefferkion: got it
23:59.25bonhoefferwill look at tornado settings, i’m new to that as well
23:59.35kionbonhoeffer, yes, empty says no rules, with a default policy of Accepting any packet that gets to your network card
23:59.52bonhoefferkion, thanks
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