| 00:01.54 | Circuitsoft | iWaldo: Yes it does. |
| 00:01.58 | Circuitsoft | The dash escapes a dash. |
| 00:02.03 | Nydjer | Circuitsoft: can it be configured to show both access rights and size for the files? |
| 00:02.16 | Circuitsoft | So, /dev/vg-name/lv-name goes to /dev/mapper/vg--name-lv--name |
| 00:02.22 | iWaldo | Circuitsoft, that makes sense, was wondering if that was the case |
| 00:02.27 | Nydjer | nvm, needed to enable list style |
| 00:02.37 | iWaldo | i expected /- but wasn't sure |
| 00:02.41 | iWaldo | thank you much, man |
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| 00:05.16 | Nydjer | Circuitsoft: rox always draws scrollbar for file manager windows, even when it's not needed |
| 00:05.34 | PadawanLearner | Nydjer: afaik keyboard shortcuts triggers single apps |
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| 00:06.45 | Nydjer | PadawanLearner: so no 'smart' hotkeys? |
| 00:07.02 | PadawanLearner | you coul invoke a script... |
| 00:07.04 | Nydjer | I wonder if ahk will work on debian :D |
| 00:07.08 | PadawanLearner | could |
| 00:07.09 | brack9 | Sorry. I can't figure out how to Google this. What does it mean when an interface in /etc/network/interfaces has the suffix "sX" where X is an integer? |
| 00:10.24 | iWaldo | one last question: i've got less free space than expected in my volume group (comparing vgs to df -h) |
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| 00:17.17 | Circuitsoft | Nydjer: That actually removes a lot of graphics glitches. |
| 00:17.32 | Wamphyri | gah |
| 00:17.36 | Nydjer | mkay |
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| 00:18.01 | Circuitsoft | Nydjer: A few rox keyboard shortcuts you should know/try. forward slash, tilde (though without shift) and !. |
| 00:18.11 | Wamphyri | is it me or the propitary ati drivers work better for multi display then the xfree drivers? |
| 00:18.27 | Circuitsoft | xfree should be fine. |
| 00:18.34 | Circuitsoft | But, the interface is via xrandr. |
| 00:18.37 | Wamphyri | screens bleeding |
| 00:18.46 | Circuitsoft | Look at your xrandr layout. |
| 00:18.49 | Wamphyri | like chrome for instance |
| 00:19.09 | Circuitsoft | Try "xrandr --output <left_display_name> --left-of <right_display_name>" |
| 00:19.15 | Nydjer | Circuitsoft: what's 0install that it installed as a dependency? |
| 00:19.20 | somiaj | Wamphyri: you need to isntall the non-free firmware to get the kms support with the free drivers. |
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| 00:19.29 | somiaj | Wamphyri: well on certain cards. |
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| 00:19.47 | Circuitsoft | 0install is a framework for unprivileged software installation and auto-updating. |
| 00:20.00 | Circuitsoft | It's another Lennart thing. |
| 00:20.05 | Circuitsoft | Actually kinda cool. |
| 00:20.22 | Wamphyri | pretty sure i'm running kms since i have the monitors acting as one desktop (not mirrored) |
| 00:20.36 | Circuitsoft | Wamphyri: Sounds like your displays are at an absolute position within the virtual desktop, and not completely non-intersecting. |
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| 00:22.18 | Nydjer | Circuitsoft: can I just delete it? I'm a newbie yet, I think I'll keep simple things and manage them via dpkg/synaptic/apt-get |
| 00:22.24 | ovidnis | where can i read about fixing broken packages? i kind of messed up my emacs installation |
| 00:22.31 | Nydjer | or aptitude |
| 00:22.40 | somiaj | ovidnis: what did you do? |
| 00:22.43 | Circuitsoft | Nydjer: Not sure if you can. I think it may provide some services that rox relies on. |
| 00:22.55 | somiaj | ovidnis: did you mix sournces from one debian versoin to anoteher? |
| 00:23.06 | Wamphyri | Circuitsoft, preferences look good to me |
| 00:23.11 | ovidnis | somiaj: i think i removed files that should have been left to the package manager |
| 00:23.38 | Wamphyri | but that doesn't say much lol |
| 00:23.47 | Circuitsoft | Wamphyri: Play with the xrandr command. |
| 00:24.18 | ZodoTurt1e | xrandr depends on your vid card driver. |
| 00:24.22 | Wamphyri | if i do xrandr as root that will over write all users right:? |
| 00:24.27 | Circuitsoft | No. |
| 00:24.36 | Circuitsoft | xrandr is only dynamic - it doesn't save any configs. |
| 00:24.50 | Circuitsoft | But, once you find the problem with it, you can probably fix it in the control panel for your DM. |
| 00:25.15 | somiaj | ovidnis: in this case you porbabaly just need to --reinstall the offending package. You can use dpkg - S /path/to/file to see whihch pakcckage owns the file |
| 00:25.36 | PadawanLearner | any ideas on how to cross install/debootstrap amd64 from 686? |
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| 00:25.54 | Circuitsoft | PadawanLearner: Do you have an amd64 kernel? |
| 00:26.33 | PadawanLearner | running an 686 kernel |
| 00:26.43 | somiaj | PadawanLearner: you can install an amd64 kernel from i386 (it is in the debian repo), once running on a 64bit kernel you can install a 64 bit chroot normally |
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| 00:26.53 | Wamphyri | http://pastebin.com/GZNNVHUR thats my xrandr output |
| 00:26.54 | Circuitsoft | So, first install a 64-bit kernel, then reboot to it, becasue, the 64-bit install requires running some 64-bit programs. |
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| 00:28.08 | Nydjer | Circuitsoft: how do I change the term bound to the '`' hotkey in rox? |
| 00:28.17 | Circuitsoft | Nydjer: It's in prefs. |
| 00:28.24 | Nydjer | where are they? |
| 00:28.29 | Circuitsoft | In debian, I think it defaults to x-terminal-emulator. |
| 00:28.32 | Circuitsoft | Right-click anywhere. |
| 00:29.03 | Circuitsoft | Wamphyri: Run "xrandr --output VGA-0 --pos 1930x0" |
| 00:29.08 | Circuitsoft | Do you still get bleed? |
| 00:29.16 | ovidnis | apt-get tells me the emacs24 package is in a bad or inconsistent state so i try to --reinstall it but various install scripts fail |
| 00:29.53 | ovidnis | mostly elpa-* packages |
| 00:30.09 | Wamphyri | hmm |
| 00:30.13 | Wamphyri | went away on its own.. lol |
| 00:30.13 | somiaj | ovidnis: hmm, so it is more than just missing files. What does apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install try to do? |
| 00:30.15 | cheater | hello |
| 00:30.42 | PadawanLearner | somiaj: will have to add the 64bit repo i guess |
| 00:31.28 | ovidnis | it tries to install/upgrade emacs24 |
| 00:31.31 | Circuitsoft | PadawanLearner: No, you don't. |
| 00:31.51 | somiaj | PadawanLearner: no |
| 00:31.55 | Circuitsoft | You should have, available, a "linux-image-amd64" |
| 00:31.56 | somiaj | PadawanLearner: there is a 64 bit kernel in the 32bit repo |
| 00:32.07 | PadawanLearner | this machine i'm migratin to debian has ubuntu... |
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| 00:32.17 | Circuitsoft | Yup, still true. |
| 00:32.18 | somiaj | PadawanLearner: apt-cache --names-only search linux-image |
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| 00:32.33 | Nydjer | PadawanLearner: pals at #winehq suggested to use arch instead |
| 00:32.36 | somiaj | PadawanLearner: well I cannot tell you how to get a 64bit kernel compiled for 32bit on ubuntu. |
| 00:32.59 | Circuitsoft | 32-bit ubuntu still has the 64-bit kernel available. |
| 00:33.29 | ovidnis | elpa-vala-mode, elpa-circe, and emacs-goodies-el installation scripts fail |
| 00:35.16 | somiaj | ovidnis: the scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info, you can try to figure out what is filing and fix it. You can put an exit 0 at the top and force them to exit nicely and not do anything (though this means things they should have done may not get done). |
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| 00:37.05 | Wamphyri | i must be getting old |
| 00:37.21 | Wamphyri | had to enlarge the icons to be able to read them better lmao |
| 00:37.43 | ovidnis | somiaj: thanks! i'll work on that |
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| 00:47.46 | iWaldo | i've been reading into LVM snapshots and i believe that my backup philosophy is incorrect. i'd like to backup to removable media, and it seems that the nature of LVM snapshots forbids this. should i use XFS rather than ext4 and use XFS's own snapshot capabilites in order to backup my system if i want to backup to removable media? |
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| 00:48.45 | Circuitsoft | iWaldo: Take an LVM snapshot, then copy from the snapshot to removable media. |
| 00:48.58 | Circuitsoft | The snapshot is just a COW single point-in-time. |
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| 00:49.18 | Circuitsoft | Once copy is done, delete snapshot. |
| 00:50.19 | iWaldo | isn't that essentially the same thing as taking an XFS snapshot? |
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| 00:51.06 | iWaldo | also, from what i've read, the snapshots for LVM don't work that way |
| 00:51.33 | Nydjer | err, guys, my pc just hanged |
| 00:51.34 | iWaldo | it seems that they copy original data as the data is changed, so a copy of an initial LVM snapshot would contain nothing at all |
| 00:51.42 | Nydjer | the picture is still on |
| 00:51.57 | Nydjer | but the pc doesn't respond to hotkeys/trackpad moves |
| 00:51.59 | iWaldo | http://www.clevernetsystems.com/lvm-snapshots-explained/ |
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| 00:52.22 | iWaldo | the relevant info is just below the diagram with 4 blue-ish squares |
| 00:52.24 | Nydjer | is this how linuxes hang up? |
| 00:53.40 | Nydjer | is there any program that would add tiny icons to the tray bar that would display current temp? |
| 00:53.57 | iWaldo | Nydjer, i'd suggest looking into conky |
| 00:54.18 | iWaldo | cane be configured to display the output of any sensing/etc programs you'd like |
| 00:54.24 | iWaldo | with a script file |
| 00:54.26 | Nydjer | something weird is happening :( |
| 00:55.16 | Nydjer | rebooted pc, it kind of worked first but then I tried to close thunar's window and it didn't respond (yet cursor was still moving), then cursor hanged too |
| 00:55.45 | Nydjer | now it's hung up, but this time I see a disk i/o led |
| 00:55.49 | Nydjer | constantly on |
| 00:55.55 | Nydjer | not even blinking |
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| 01:17.55 | Lionyx | i'm going to backup my whole home directory (200Gb). Which is a better idea. 1.) cp -R ... or 2.) tar cvf.... ? The external driver is a 1TB (NTFS) Seagate. |
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| 01:18.51 | ZodoTurt1e | tar, and you might as well use compression. Unless most all files are already compressed, such as mp3, flv or such. |
| 01:19.12 | ZodoTurt1e | That would be the z option. The contigous transfer goes smoother. |
| 01:19.42 | Lionyx | i tried gunzipping it before, it takes forever and does not allow me to update (u) into ziped files :( |
| 01:20.15 | somiaj | Lionyx: I'd use rsync, and also I would back up to a *nix filesystem so you can keep file permissions |
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| 01:20.35 | somiaj | Lionyx: so yea maybe tar would be better so you can keep permissions |
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| 01:23.40 | ZodoTurt1e | then, yeah use rsync rather than cp. |
| 01:24.09 | somiaj | I'd use tar if the backup platofrm is ntfs |
| 01:24.54 | ZodoTurt1e | somiaj: so would I. Have to be careful about following symlinks. but those should exist too much him users /home/ directories. |
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| 01:25.04 | ZodoTurt1e | *shouldn't exist too often. |
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| 01:26.16 | somiaj | ZodoTurt1e: oh tar can't just put the link in the tar. Yea that could be a problem |
| 01:26.21 | ZodoTurt1e | rsync can be smart about file changes, greatly increasing the backup time. Again, that is assuming the target file system is Nix based. ext4, btrfs, or what not. |
| 01:26.59 | ZodoTurt1e | somiaj: It can, but you have to make sure the flags are proper for that. I'm not sure of the default behavior. |
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| 01:28.15 | Lionyx | tks guys, so tar it is! :D |
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| 01:30.47 | livingroom | question |
| 01:30.49 | livingroom | using debian |
| 01:30.53 | livingroom | where the hell is all the icons and stuff |
| 01:31.12 | livingroom | i have some kind of android-esque launcher, how do i end the bullshit and go back to the old way? |
| 01:31.38 | livingroom | and why cant i right-click for a terminal?? |
| 01:31.47 | somiaj | livingroom: you are a bit vague, but sounds like you don't like gnome3 and would prefer to use mate (gnome2 clone) as your desktop? |
| 01:31.57 | livingroom | i think so |
| 01:32.03 | somiaj | livingroom: there are other desktops/wm you can use for different look /feel. Install the one you want |
| 01:32.09 | livingroom | cool! how? |
| 01:32.11 | ZodoTurt1e | Ah, running gnome? switch to mate, lxde, xfce, well... most anything but that gnome3 mess. |
| 01:32.47 | livingroom | didnt know i could switch. how do i do it? |
| 01:32.56 | somiaj | livingroom: many suggest xfce4, but mate is a gnome2 fork. cinimmon is a gnome-shell fork, lxde tries to be light and minimial and there are a pile of wms to choose from too. |
| 01:33.06 | ZodoTurt1e | You will have to start by intalling one of the other options such as mate. |
| 01:33.36 | somiaj | livingroom: pick one, install the corresponding meta package. (such as mate-dekstop-enviroment or xfce4) |
| 01:33.39 | ZodoTurt1e | Then, at the login screen, you have the option to choose your desktop manager. |
| 01:33.49 | livingroom | sweet! thanks. doing and apt-get now |
| 01:34.04 | ZodoTurt1e | Once you switch, it will default to your last choice. |
| 01:34.25 | livingroom | sweet! cool and even better. thanks guys |
| 01:35.18 | livingroom | mate looks good. XFCE looks too "apple" |
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| 01:36.03 | ZodoTurt1e | livingroom: if you liked the old style. I suggest mate. |
| 01:36.49 | livingroom | the old style was at least useful |
| 01:36.53 | livingroom | the new style is a nightmare |
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| 01:37.14 | livingroom | i get that linux wants to be more popular but copying the disaster that was windows 8 is not my idea of a good time |
| 01:37.21 | somiaj | or go really oldstyle and get a motiff window manager. Or just a simple window manager. |
| 01:37.23 | ZodoTurt1e | I don't like gnome3 either. I use lxde, I like openbox, xfce works well enough for me. |
| 01:37.33 | CHVNX | livingroom: GNOME3 and Unity predate Windows 8. |
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| 01:37.44 | somiaj | livingroom: debian provides you lots of choice. Myself I'm using fvwm which has been around since the 90s |
| 01:37.57 | CHVNX | I've been using awesomewm for a few years. |
| 01:38.06 | livingroom | wow fvwm looks very OS/2 |
| 01:38.29 | somiaj | fvwm looks like whatever you want. |
| 01:38.40 | livingroom | well yes, but i'm looking at a screenshot here in xwinman.org |
| 01:38.48 | livingroom | http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm-geir.gif |
| 01:38.51 | CHVNX | That's not a good site to gauge window manager styles |
| 01:38.53 | CHVNX | Use google images. |
| 01:38.55 | somiaj | fluxbox and openbox also had popularity for single wm users. |
| 01:38.59 | livingroom | looks like a cross between macos7 and OS/2 |
| 01:39.26 | livingroom | yes, i was on GIS when i found that |
| 01:39.39 | ZodoTurt1e | Honestly, you really have to test drive a Window Manager to get a feel of what it is like. Screenshots to portray the truth. Maybe some videos could. |
| 01:39.39 | livingroom | these are all cool. i may give debian a try on the desktop again |
| 01:39.41 | somiaj | livingroom: http://zensites.net/fvwm/screenshots/scrot-2015-11-10.jpg -- my desktop |
| 01:39.43 | CHVNX | In my opinion, the best ricing community is thsi: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn |
| 01:39.54 | somiaj | yea looks only do so much |
| 01:39.55 | ZodoTurt1e | *screenshots don't portray the truth. |
| 01:40.07 | CHVNX | Screenshots show possibilities. |
| 01:40.22 | CHVNX | /r/unixporn on reddit is infested with sexy desktops. |
| 01:41.17 | livingroom | mate is perfect, mate |
| 01:41.18 | livingroom | thanks |
| 01:41.32 | somiaj | anyways before we drift too far offtopic. livingroom debian provides lots of choice of what desktop/wm you want to use. I personally think it is worth the time to customize it to your liking. |
| 01:41.34 | CHVNX | mate is literally a fork of gnome2. |
| 01:41.42 | livingroom | how do i add the terminal to my right clicky |
| 01:41.48 | CHVNX | If you liked gnome2, mate is gnome2 with upgrades |
| 01:42.12 | livingroom | i loved gnome2, wasnt that what was on older centos |
| 01:42.15 | livingroom | by default |
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| 01:42.29 | CHVNX | It was the primary desktop of all distros that didnt include KDE. |
| 01:42.40 | Nydjer | my PC now keeps crashing, so I can't test no shit :( |
| 01:42.42 | CHVNX | If you used Linux a few years ago, you probably used gnome2. |
| 01:42.55 | livingroom | yup |
| 01:42.59 | Nydjer | well, it's not even crashing, it just hangs |
| 01:43.05 | livingroom | alright! samba ADDC time |
| 01:43.15 | CHVNX | Nydjer: when does it hang? Before or after booting? |
| 01:43.21 | Nydjer | after booting |
| 01:43.32 | Nydjer | it is sometimes useable for a few minutes |
| 01:43.32 | CHVNX | Nydjer: in Xorg, or console? |
| 01:43.38 | Nydjer | xfce |
| 01:44.01 | Nydjer | I have 2 suggestions: either temperature overheat or disk bad blocks |
| 01:44.02 | CHVNX | Nydjer: does it hang immediatly upon booting into xfce4, or does it hang after some use? |
| 01:44.10 | Nydjer | after some use |
| 01:44.35 | CHVNX | Overheating, bad blocks, or some process is running and eating resources. |
| 01:44.47 | CHVNX | Could be bad memory, too. |
| 01:44.50 | CHVNX | Could be many things. |
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| 01:46.48 | CHVNX | Check your boot logs for any signs of bad things, |
| 01:47.34 | Nydjer | awgod |
| 01:47.56 | Nydjer | why do things get more and more complicated? always. |
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| 01:48.37 | CHVNX | If you have a live distro on a usb or cd, you could always unplug your disk, boot the live session, and see if everything works. Rule out a bad disk without using it, sort of. |
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| 01:49.56 | Nydjer | I still have a usb with debian installer |
| 01:50.02 | Nydjer | I just hope it has livecd |
| 01:50.13 | somiaj | one simple test to see if it is software or kernel/hardware. If you ahve another machine on your network ping the machine after it freezes or try to ssh into it. |
| 01:50.32 | simonlnu | indeed, tried and true test :) |
| 01:50.45 | livingroom | what is the easiest way to change the hostname |
| 01:50.51 | livingroom | in jessie |
| 01:51.04 | simonlnu | with `hostname' ;) |
| 01:51.15 | CHVNX | hostname exists to change hostname |
| 01:51.28 | livingroom | fascinating |
| 01:51.29 | livingroom | thank you |
| 01:51.29 | CHVNX | man hostname |
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| 01:54.47 | Nydjer | looks like overheat |
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| 01:55.21 | livingroom | holy crap |
| 01:55.31 | livingroom | debian as an ADDC was SOOOOOO much easier than CentOS |
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| 01:55.39 | CHVNX | Suggestions. Clean the computer. Physically clean it. Blow the hell out of the dust inside of it. get a can of compressed air or something. Then check heatsinks and make sure everything is fine, assuming you have already checked to make sure fans are working. |
| 01:55.47 | simonlnu | needs dusting? blocked air ports? restricted airflow around the port? fan not working? |
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| 01:56.10 | omegakillah | hi guys.. |
| 01:56.22 | simonlnu | with these cpu and cores they overheat easily |
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| 01:56.32 | CHVNX | Make sure airflow is not obstructed. |
| 01:56.44 | CHVNX | Is this some sort of server rack, or...? |
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| 01:57.08 | Nydjer | it's a netbook |
| 01:57.11 | Nydjer | damn old one |
| 01:57.13 | simonlnu | even on this latitude i gotta watch the air vents. i prop it up on a book to improve air flow |
| 01:57.16 | Nydjer | acer aspire aoa110 |
| 01:58.50 | SirCmpwn | what does the -ng postfix on a package name mean? |
| 01:58.56 | simonlnu | new gen |
| 01:59.01 | SirCmpwn | thanks |
| 01:59.04 | simonlnu | usually |
| 01:59.31 | livingroom | does debian use the same firewall commands as most other linuxs? |
| 01:59.40 | simonlnu | e.g., syslog-ng (pardon the punning) |
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| 02:00.00 | simonlnu | livingroom: it's all based on iptables / xtables |
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| 02:00.35 | livingroom | jesus. how do i turn it off? i hate iptables |
| 02:00.59 | simonlnu | debian doesn't install one by default |
| 02:01.03 | livingroom | oh! ok |
| 02:01.07 | livingroom | thanks :D |
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| 02:02.15 | simonlnu | np folks |
| 02:02.19 | simonlnu | is afk |
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| 02:03.53 | Nydjer | looks like some process caused overheat, because now everything works for now |
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| 02:07.20 | simonlnu | ah ok |
| 02:07.31 | Nydjer | somiaj: yeah, pings stopped responding when my pc re-hung now |
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| 02:13.08 | livingroom | circuitsoft: are you still herE? |
| 02:13.30 | livingroom | nydjer sounds like bad caps a little |
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| 02:14.16 | Nydjer | livingroom: bad capacitors? |
| 02:14.45 | livingroom | yup. my AMD pc started doing that, sure enough some K-caps were bulged |
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| 02:16.38 | livingroom | anyone here with some samba experience? i'm running into trouble |
| 02:16.52 | ZodoTurt1e | Bad caps was an epidemic on mobos a few years back. It is common for cheap caps to be used in lower priced motherboards. |
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| 02:17.49 | ZodoTurt1e | I had enough experience to decide I just don't like windows anything. And yes, once upon a time, I got it to work. You know, back in the day when I walked up hill through snow. |
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| 02:18.48 | livingroom | zodo i'm talking about samba, sorry |
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| 02:19.20 | ZodoTurt1e | samba exists to be file sharing compatibility with Windows file sharing. |
| 02:19.34 | livingroom | sure, but it runs a great ADDC too |
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| 02:21.04 | livingroom | i cant get dns to work correctly |
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| 02:31.00 | dupingping | hi everyone. |
| 02:31.10 | dupingping | I'm a ubuntu member. How can i join debian? |
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| 02:34.27 | ZodoTurt1e | dupingping: welcome |
| 02:34.45 | dupingping | ZodoTurt1e: Hi, nice to meet you. |
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| 02:35.10 | dupingping | I want to contribute for debian/gnome3 project. |
| 02:36.08 | ZodoTurt1e | That is commendable. |
| 02:36.36 | ZodoTurt1e | gnome3 does not appeal to me in any fashion. |
| 02:37.36 | dupingping | ZodoTurt1e: I'm also a contributer for oracle virtualbox. |
| 02:37.56 | dupingping | In recently, i merged a patch for virtual box's shared folder. |
| 02:38.17 | dupingping | I made a patch for gvfs related to virtualbox's shared folder. |
| 02:38.48 | dupingping | And i don't know how to commit the patch to debian/gnome3 project. |
| 02:38.53 | dupingping | So i need some help. |
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| 02:46.38 | ZodoTurt1e | dupingping: I really like virtualbox. |
| 02:46.58 | ZodoTurt1e | I don't know how to commit patches at all. So I can't help there. :/ |
| 02:46.59 | livingroom | i need to restart dns in debian jessie. whats the command? |
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| 02:47.29 | ZodoTurt1e | livingroom: checkout the services. service --status-all |
| 02:47.58 | ZodoTurt1e | livingroom: find the one associated and use restart. services dnsd restart <-- Not sure about the dnsd thing. |
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| 02:48.50 | livingroom | --status-all |
| 02:48.59 | livingroom | oops |
| 02:49.02 | livingroom | lol wrong window |
| 02:49.05 | livingroom | darn these three monitors |
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| 02:49.52 | dupingping | ZodoTurt1e: yes, thank you. |
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| 02:51.42 | ZodoTurtle | Oops, I don't know how that 1 got into my nick. Oh well. |
| 02:52.29 | dupingping | ZodoTurtle: it's alternative nick name. |
| 02:53.23 | dupingping | if the ZodoTurtle seems to be joined already, you can be joined as have suffix _ or 1. |
| 02:53.43 | livingroom | aaaaugh i cant get samba_internal dns to work |
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| 02:54.00 | iWaldo | one thing i really like about yum/dnf is the 'history' argument |
| 02:54.07 | iWaldo | apt-get doesn't seem to have anything similar |
| 02:54.16 | iWaldo | any chance that this will change? |
| 02:55.41 | polyphagia | iWaldo: what does it do? |
| 02:55.48 | polyphagia | there's /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 02:56.15 | iWaldo | polyphagia, i've read that history.log gets rotated/deleted from time to time |
| 02:56.24 | iWaldo | for completeness that's bad |
| 02:56.28 | polyphagia | you can probably change that |
| 02:56.44 | iWaldo | and also, 'sudo dnf history remove <x>' is super convenient |
| 02:56.57 | iWaldo | i prefer debian over fedora/centos/redhat in every other way |
| 02:57.04 | iWaldo | but that feature of the package manger is awesome |
| 02:57.08 | ZodoTurtle | Yes, the default action is to rotate. Which is to delete old logs to conserve space. |
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| 02:58.09 | iWaldo | is there any philosophical reason that debian hasn't implemented this functionality? i've got more than enough space to store plenty of text files |
| 02:58.19 | iWaldo | as i imagine most other users on semi modern hardware do |
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| 02:58.50 | polyphagia | iWaldo: i believe the old files are suffixed and gz'd |
| 02:59.10 | iWaldo | polyphagia, that's good to know and will help |
| 02:59.44 | iWaldo | but i guess i'm asking a question that probably can't be answered here (unless a developer is on) |
| 02:59.59 | ZodoTurtle | iWaldo: yeah, sure. More intent admins will use multiple partitions and some of those mounts can be rather small to allow most of the space for /home. So, conserving space used for logs is somewhat beneficial. |
| 03:00.07 | polyphagia | iWaldo: /etc/logrotate.d/apt is where you can adjust it |
| 03:00.32 | polyphagia | but i don't think there's anything that can parse those files |
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| 03:00.37 | polyphagia | at least that i know of |
| 03:00.41 | iWaldo | ZodoTurtle, i'm using separate partitions for many things and only have 3GiB for /var, so i'm not totally ignorant of space considerations |
| 03:00.48 | ZodoTurtle | And I'm not one of THOSE developers. Just insightful of the concept. |
| 03:00.50 | polyphagia | but you can just use grep of course |
| 03:01.11 | ZodoTurtle | polyphagia: there is zgrep |
| 03:01.17 | iWaldo | and i realize that it isn't impossible for me to get the info that i'm asking for on a debian system |
| 03:01.35 | iWaldo | but it is just so easy on the yum/dnf package manager |
| 03:01.42 | iWaldo | seems like a no-brainer |
| 03:02.38 | iWaldo | apt-get history would be an awesome command option |
| 03:02.51 | polyphagia | yeah that would be a good idea |
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| 03:04.06 | iWaldo | the fact that it doesn't already exist leads me to believe that there is a good reason for the the absence |
| 03:04.18 | Hello71 | tac $HISTFILE | grep -am1 apt-get |
| 03:04.31 | Hello71 | | sed -e 's/install/remove/' |
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| 03:05.55 | iWaldo | Hello71, returns a single apt-get command |
| 03:06.37 | ZodoTurtle | What is he trying to find anyway? |
| 03:07.01 | ZodoTurtle | oh, apt history. Okay. |
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| 03:08.05 | iWaldo | yep. would be great to have something similar to 'yum history' that gives me a table of installs/etc |
| 03:08.24 | iWaldo | numbered so that i could say ' |
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| 03:08.42 | iWaldo | 'apt-get history 7' to see what happened during that call of apt-get |
| 03:08.45 | ZodoTurtle | There is something with aptitude that shows what is installed. |
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| 03:09.53 | ZodoTurtle | dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:09.53 | dpkg | ZodoTurtle: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:10.25 | ZodoTurtle | yeah, the one time I'm not talking to the bot. :) |
| 03:10.51 | iWaldo | dpkg --get-selections displays everything with no chronology |
| 03:10.52 | dpkg | selects iwaldo's family photos collection |
| 03:11.03 | iWaldo | has no family |
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| 03:13.28 | ZodoTurtle | I didn't say it was a history, just that it lists all that is installed. |
| 03:14.02 | iWaldo | understood. i'm just saying it would be f*ing awesome to have the history option for apt-get |
| 03:14.24 | ZodoTurtle | Agreed. |
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| 03:14.40 | iWaldo | everything that the history option provides can be rendered irrelevant through best practices |
| 03:14.41 | themill | The only times I've ever wanted that sort of information, I find it in /var/log/apt/history.log easily enough |
| 03:14.46 | iWaldo | but i'm not always so careful |
| 03:15.17 | iWaldo | themill, agreed. that is rotated/deleted from what i've heard |
| 03:15.29 | themill | according to your configuration |
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| 03:15.40 | iWaldo | themill, how do i reconfigure? |
| 03:15.47 | themill | logrotate |
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| 03:18.09 | iWaldo | does logrotate overrride any existing defaults for files it handles? |
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| 03:18.23 | abrotman | defaults where? |
| 03:18.36 | iWaldo | or maybe logrotate itself is what rotates history.log |
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| 03:18.53 | iWaldo | all i know from my research is that history.log is the best way to keep track of apt-get installs |
| 03:19.04 | iWaldo | and it deletes them periodically |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | did you check /etc/logrotate.conf or /etc/logrotate.d/* ? |
| 03:19.30 | iWaldo | to be more clear: history.log files are deleted periodically |
| 03:20.51 | iWaldo | abrotman, nice, thank you |
| 03:21.54 | iWaldo | it seems like everything is already in place for something like 'apt-get history' |
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| 03:38.53 | iWaldo | does anybody have a good link to a guide for setting up a DNS server on a home network? the goal is to give my machines their own domain name while still having access to the internet. from what i've read it is possible to create custom dns entries on top of an externally updated dmoain name list. |
| 03:44.55 | beergear | iWaldo: https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
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| 03:45.55 | iWaldo | beergear, thanks boss! |
| 03:46.02 | beergear | np :) |
| 03:46.08 | iWaldo | beergear, i stumbled upon that last night, not sure exactly what to do yet |
| 03:46.40 | beergear | bind seems to be intimidating at first, but it isn't that bad. |
| 03:46.49 | iWaldo | i had no plans to create my own DNS until i wanted to be able to logon to my home systems with etc.etc rather than 192.168... |
| 03:46.58 | iWaldo | but there are some more benefits it seems |
| 03:47.20 | beergear | If you follow that guide on a debian system, you should get a working nameserver and probably understand it a bunch more. |
| 03:47.28 | iWaldo | biggest one being i can configure a local DNS to remember any sites pulled from a 'legit |
| 03:47.31 | iWaldo | ' dns |
| 03:47.37 | beergear | Yeah I like running my own dns, it is a bit faster than using an outside server. |
| 03:47.39 | iWaldo | and speed up my access to regularly accessed sites |
| 03:48.21 | beergear | yeah for sure! You can even use DNSSEC if you want, it is an extention to increase the security of the protocol. |
| 03:48.30 | beergear | *extension |
| 03:48.37 | iWaldo | i will have to look into that |
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| 03:49.08 | iWaldo | my primary goal is to be able to access local machines and samba shares by name rather than by IP |
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| 03:49.39 | beergear | well if you don't need something as heavy as bind, dnsmasq is also a good lightweight nameserver |
| 03:49.46 | iWaldo | after that i'll look into more options (provided that DNSSEC isn't hampered by an existing non-SEC DNS config) |
| 03:50.12 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:50.18 | iWaldo | dnsmasq vs bind9... i'll have to do some research |
| 03:50.29 | beergear | Nah you don't have to run it yourself, and the default mode is to allow other servers that don't have dnssec to respond |
| 03:51.01 | iWaldo | if you want to help me: the only reason for setting up a local DNS, for me, is to give myself the ability to SSH/RDP into local systems without using raw IP addresses |
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| 03:51.27 | iWaldo | if going with bind can set me up for learning more in the future i'm game |
| 03:51.46 | beergear | iWaldo: you could just use the hosts file if you want names for only a couple machines |
| 03:52.03 | beergear | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/chap9sec95.html |
| 03:52.19 | iWaldo | beergear: you are correct that it is only a couple of names. i'd like to learn how to make a more global solution though. |
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| 03:52.28 | iWaldo | in the case that i ever want to do this on a larger network |
| 03:53.08 | beergear | here is the dnsmasq docu for debian https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dnsmasq |
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| 03:53.25 | beergear | as you can see it is much simpler :P |
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| 03:53.56 | ghormoon | hi, what's current best way to play midi files? I've tried fluidsynth, but failed to set it up properly to work, then tried timidity, which plays just barbled sound at ~10times the speed it should (shows correct length of the midi, but scrolls it through fast) |
| 03:54.12 | iWaldo | in either case (bind9/dnsmasq) the gist of the procedure is to forward the local DNS to a larger DNS and then add my local domain name on top. correct? |
| 03:54.39 | beergear | Yep! |
| 03:54.47 | iWaldo | at which point i'll have to configure all of my machines to use the IP of my local DNS as their DNS |
| 03:55.09 | SirLagz | iWaldo: or if you use dnsmasq, use dnsmasq as your DHCP server and that'll be done automatically |
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| 03:55.24 | iWaldo | beergear, thanks a million |
| 03:55.27 | beergear | One thing to know about dns servers is you don't want to run what's known as an 'open resolver'. One that responds to anyones requests on the internet. As these are used to amplify DDOS attacks |
| 03:55.31 | beergear | np :) |
| 03:55.36 | iWaldo | SirLagz, can you give a bit more detail? |
| 03:55.44 | SirLagz | iWaldo: dnsmasq is a DHCP server as well |
| 03:55.59 | iWaldo | beergear, my DNS won't be directly internet facing, does that help? |
| 03:56.19 | SirLagz | iWaldo: default settings for dnsmasq's DHCP is "use itself as primary dns sersver", i.e. if any computer gets an IP from dnsmasq, it'll use the same server for the DNS |
| 03:56.47 | iWaldo | my router isn't DD-WRT friendly, so i plan to host my DNS on my home server rather than my router (the current DHCP provider) |
| 03:56.48 | beergear | Yeah you'll be fine then. |
| 03:57.08 | SirLagz | iWaldo: cool, then yeah, just set dnsmasq server as DNS server |
| 03:57.25 | iWaldo | you guys are f*cking pro |
| 03:57.27 | iWaldo | thanks a lot |
| 03:57.50 | iWaldo | i've been dabbling for a while but have so many damned questions |
| 03:58.53 | beergear | yay well you've come to the right place then :P there are lots of people on here willing to answer questions |
| 03:59.22 | beergear | I also like ##networking and ##linux |
| 04:00.09 | iWaldo | i didn't know that ##networking existed and i figure that ##linux is pretty busy |
| 04:00.34 | SirLagz | ##linux is pretty quiet atm lol |
| 04:00.39 | iWaldo | i remember asking a question in ##C a while back... i admittedly was/am a noob, but the response was anything but friendly |
| 04:00.43 | beergear | nah not that busy yeah, this channel is way more active atm |
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| 04:01.09 | SirLagz | iWaldo: yeah. some channels are toxic. |
| 04:01.11 | beergear | iWaldo: I've never been to ##C. I heard bad things about it though :p |
| 04:01.22 | iWaldo | my first taste open source development |
| 04:01.24 | beergear | is it really that bad? *joins to take a look* |
| 04:01.43 | iWaldo | i'll grant that they were right |
| 04:01.53 | iWaldo | but the channel was dead when i asked |
| 04:01.54 | iWaldo | haha |
| 04:02.21 | iWaldo | i was working on an eulerproblems.net suggestion |
| 04:02.35 | iWaldo | and had a question about why something in my code was going wrong |
| 04:02.53 | iWaldo | (don't ask why i'm coding math problems in C) |
| 04:03.16 | iWaldo | the response was something akin to "C is fine, go F off" |
| 04:03.21 | iWaldo | they were right! |
| 04:03.27 | iWaldo | but not so helpful :D |
| 04:03.54 | beergear | :p well they sound like they suck |
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| 04:04.18 | beergear | I know people are sometimes less than friendly here for whatever reason |
| 04:04.25 | iWaldo | they're probably 99% greybeards who have been through the Q&A session so many times that they're tired of it |
| 04:04.26 | iWaldo | tbh |
| 04:04.30 | beergear | having a grumpy day or something |
| 04:04.40 | beergear | yeah probably, but then don't respond if you don't like it! |
| 04:04.45 | iWaldo | agreed |
| 04:05.01 | iWaldo | just giving my take on why that stuff happens |
| 04:05.06 | ZodoTurtle | yep, I try not to respond on my bad days. |
| 04:05.21 | iWaldo | hell, i've learned more on the #learnprogramming channel from ornery bastards who seem to hate me than anybody else |
| 04:05.24 | ghormoon | lol, figured out the fluidsynth, it's just undeterministi, you need to run it twice to work (same parameters, just arrow up :)) |
| 04:05.45 | beergear | I try not to be nasty, sometimes it's easier than others |
| 04:05.47 | iWaldo | other than tangentstorm (the moderator)... he's smart as hell and pretty good to chat with |
| 04:06.15 | beergear | I'll have to check that out too |
| 04:06.22 | iWaldo | tangentstorm is a boss |
| 04:06.38 | iWaldo | really friendly/helpful and knows his stuff |
| 04:07.17 | iWaldo | unfortunately he spends a lot of his brainpower on this "j" programming language |
| 04:07.18 | iWaldo | hah |
| 04:07.43 | ghormoon | hm, third-fifth time it does garbage too, sixth is ok. any hints what to check? it doesn't spit anything different when it works and not |
| 04:08.23 | markybob | i have a greybeard :P main thing is we're not here to do people's homework for them. if you show that you're trying and not just being a dumbass, you're usually okay. CS students tend to piss us off |
| 04:08.34 | beergear | I've never heard of this j, looks like a small project |
| 04:09.23 | iWaldo | markybob, agreed with the overall treatment i've received. i know now that the shit i got from ##C was because i didn't exactly realize the gravity of the channel |
| 04:09.36 | iWaldo | not a CS student either ;)( |
| 04:09.41 | iWaldo | err... ;) |
| 04:10.06 | beergear | they have super cereal code to discuss ya know |
| 04:10.15 | iWaldo | beergear, the stuff that tangent does in #learnprogramming with j is amazing |
| 04:10.31 | iWaldo | "i'm thuper thereal you guyth" |
| 04:10.46 | beergear | :p |
| 04:11.26 | beergear | Qell nobody is talking in either of those channels yet, but it's a little late. |
| 04:11.32 | beergear | *Well |
| 04:11.41 | iWaldo | just ask a naive question in ##C |
| 04:11.44 | iWaldo | it'll pick up |
| 04:12.12 | iWaldo | 'how much garbage would a garbage collector garbage if a garbage collector could collect garbage?" |
| 04:12.46 | beergear | oh hmm someone just asked a question about converting data types |
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| 04:12.53 | iWaldo | should be good |
| 04:12.56 | iWaldo | i'ma hop in |
| 04:13.52 | iWaldo | in any case, i can relate to their frustration |
| 04:14.01 | iWaldo | they're hosting a channel about the language itself |
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| 04:14.44 | iWaldo | and idiots like me waltz in and ask questions about code (with scarce evidence that C is to blame) |
| 04:15.10 | beergear | Yeah some channels tend to run like a library, it's mostly silent except for a couple quiet conversations. |
| 04:15.32 | SirLagz | and then some channels are like a festival, with fights breaking out left right and centre! |
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| 04:16.09 | beergear | hah yeah those are the fun ones to watch |
| 04:16.13 | iWaldo | all future OSes must be written in java! |
| 04:16.16 | iWaldo | (holy wars) |
| 04:16.25 | beergear | -- Oracle |
| 04:16.27 | ZodoTurtle | So they don't like dealing with. I got my hair cut yesterday. |
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| 04:17.15 | iWaldo | haircuts are for... noobs? |
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| 04:18.19 | beergear | all the ponytails among nerds would seem to indicate so yes |
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| 04:19.35 | iWaldo | that was actually a pretty decent exxchange |
| 04:20.21 | beergear | yeah it was ok |
| 04:20.52 | beergear | very anticlimactic really |
| 04:21.04 | iWaldo | we'll have to wait it out |
| 04:21.13 | iWaldo | and i have to be to sleep in ~40m |
| 04:21.50 | beergear | I'm sure there will be action if I lurk long enough |
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| 04:27.30 | magyar | hi, is there a way to have network manager start before I log in to gnome? |
| 04:27.34 | ovidnis | i haven't been able to make much progress fixing my issue with my broken emacs packages. this is the output of aptitude -f install http://pastebin.com/Vwcz6VA5 |
| 04:28.46 | ZodoTurtle | magyar, and that is why I don't like gn... I'll go stand in a corner. |
| 04:28.57 | ZodoTurtle | stands in corner. |
| 04:29.16 | markybob | magyar, yes. go to edit the connection you want and check the "allow all users" box |
| 04:30.10 | magyar | markybob: will this bring up the connection at boot time, even if I don't login to Gnome? |
| 04:30.23 | markybob | magyar, yes. networkmanage even has console ui if you want |
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| 04:32.31 | magyar | markybob: what is CONFIGURE_INTERFACES stands for ? |
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| 04:43.43 | magyar | what happened to GDM, is there no option to login to console instead of the GUI? |
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| 05:02.40 | ariscop | magyar, switch vt's, iirc 2 through 5 should have a login |
| 05:03.33 | magyar | ariscop: i know that part, but they also used to have a menu option before |
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| 05:11.09 | latemus | I'm running debian 8.1. i've never been able to get audio working.. can anyone suggust something to tryL |
| 05:11.28 | rabbitear | latemus: turn the volume up? |
| 05:11.48 | latemus | alsamixer shows volume is at 80% for pulseaudio |
| 05:12.07 | markybob | latemus, install/run pavucontrol. alsamixer sucks. make sure user is part of audio group. |
| 05:12.40 | rabbitear | it 'sucks' because its made for alsa, not pulse audio |
| 05:12.45 | latemus | running 'pulseaudio' as unprivileged user says pulseaudio daemon is running |
| 05:12.55 | markybob | yes |
| 05:13.02 | latemus | mmhm, i'll try that out |
| 05:13.04 | markybob | latemus, what i said still goes |
| 05:13.29 | rabbitear | 'sucks' is a stronge word :) |
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| 05:15.14 | latemus | markybob: thanks, i'll see that i'm part of that goup.. ok, looks like i am. |
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| 05:16.13 | markybob | latemus, run pavucontrol instead of alsamixer. assuming you didn't just add the user to the group. if you have you need to logout |
| 05:17.58 | rabbitear | latemus: also sometimes its good to check over the hardware layer if applicable [if its not a laptop/tablet] .. is cable plugged in to speakers, etc etc |
| 05:17.59 | latemus | nah, was already a member of the group. running pavucontrol shows that only one of my sound cards is detected, and it's not the one plugged into my amp |
| 05:18.20 | rabbitear | latemus: thats the thing, you got two cards ... |
| 05:18.30 | latemus | cool, yeah, hw layer is solid, tested it with a phone |
| 05:18.31 | rabbitear | latemus: might be routing the sound to the other card |
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| 05:19.17 | latemus | hm, how do i configure pulseaudio to see both cards, so i can select either on withen pavucontrol? |
| 05:19.41 | markybob | google the chipset of the second card |
| 05:20.22 | rabbitear | personally I think 'pulse audio' sucks :) because its more complicated than alsa, but, you should be able to change what its outputting to with pavucontrol |
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| 05:20.36 | markybob | you can |
| 05:20.40 | latemus | its ice1712 envy24 is the one detected, the other is the onboard audio on this box |
| 05:21.12 | latemus | i'll find out what it is, and then add it to rc.modules and reboot, yeah? |
| 05:21.13 | markybob | yeah...we can't help you if all you say is "on this box". find out the chipset and google it's linux support |
| 05:21.21 | latemus | right |
| 05:21.32 | rabbitear | latemus: I'd plugin speakers to the "other" card, and see if that is working first |
| 05:21.32 | latemus | thanks guys ;) |
| 05:22.09 | rabbitear | latemus: 99% <- meaning most cards, these days are already in the kernel |
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| 05:23.08 | rabbitear | probably more than 99% of any cards, cards are even more standard than they used to be, like mice |
| 05:24.30 | latemus | yeah, this one may not be, its onboard an old ppc box |
| 05:24.39 | latemus | running lshw now |
| 05:24.59 | rabbitear | latemus: my g4 lamp sound worked just fine |
| 05:25.21 | rabbitear | latemus: and my g3 crt thingy also ran sound just fine |
| 05:25.42 | rabbitear | never tried 68000 sound tho |
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| 05:25.58 | rabbitear | latemus: what type of machine? |
| 05:26.21 | latemus | nice. i bet this one will, i prolly just need to find the module and load it, curious debian didnt find it though. i dont know debian well enough yet to see why not |
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| 05:26.39 | latemus | nice, m64k ftw |
| 05:26.53 | latemus | its a g4 powermac |
| 05:27.07 | latemus | i lurv it |
| 05:27.24 | rabbitear | latemus: modprobe, and lsmod <- same on all distros .... yeah, you may need to manually load a module .. I was using gentoo at the time |
| 05:28.25 | rabbitear | latemus: that should work.. atleast my lamp g4 sound and gfx worked fine .. it woke me up in the mornings as my alarm clock with a radio stream |
| 05:28.41 | rabbitear | I still have that thing too, but its offline .. |
| 05:28.56 | latemus | lol, nice. that's what i'd like to do as well |
| 05:29.12 | latemus | cron job to stream sofa.fm lol |
| 05:29.40 | latemus | this is so weird, lshw only reports the pci audio card |
| 05:29.56 | latemus | hm, maybe its fried, lol |
| 05:29.58 | latemus | lame |
| 05:30.56 | rabbitear | well, the internal card may work ... |
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| 05:31.43 | rabbitear | I'm just saying, you could reduce the complexity by only trying one card at the time.. |
| 05:32.12 | latemus | smarty :) |
| 05:32.41 | rabbitear | latemus: I had xdaliclock running full screen on there .. 24 hours, so it was also a clock too .. I believe that program originated out of the mac world anyway.. |
| 05:32.46 | latemus | k cool, i guess i'll have to pull the pci card, brb i'll pull it and reboot |
| 05:32.57 | latemus | hahah |
| 05:33.00 | latemus | sweet |
| 05:33.07 | latemus | :D |
| 05:33.12 | latemus | rbr doods |
| 05:33.18 | rabbitear | latemus: one mans trash is another mans clock ! |
| 05:33.24 | rabbitear | latemus: k, good luck :) |
| 05:33.26 | latemus | lol! |
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| 05:43.57 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 07:12.58 | nils17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.30 | cra1g321 | why are you trying to run it with sudo privileges ? |
| 07:16.04 | nils17 | its on a debian live system.. and its a desktop-starter that runs a script, that has to be run as root |
| 07:16.38 | nils17 | I can set the option "dont show this message again" but while it is a live system the message returns everytime of course.. and I want to disable it (in a remaster process) |
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| 07:28.01 | nils17 | do I have to reboot when I add/change an udev rule to test it? |
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| 07:34.23 | nils17 | hi. whats wrong about that udev-rule? http://pastebin.com/SLZYrfH4 |
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| 07:41.17 | Colloguy | is there something like InstallingDebianOn for finding out debian compatibility, but in the form of a search engine? |
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| 07:43.38 | Colloguy | for example, I'd like a list of all laptops where wifi/bluetooth/suspend works out-of-the-box, manufactured after 2014, say... |
| 07:45.12 | hiya | hi |
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| 07:47.34 | strk | /etc/init.d/docker status # * Docker is managed via upstart, try using service docker status |
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| 07:47.47 | strk | who's lying here ? :) |
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| 07:48.12 | strk | oh, need be root, that's why |
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| 07:49.07 | AndrewMock | My default samba configuration is really confusing... how do I truncate to rpi simplicity? |
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| 07:49.33 | AndrewMock | Talking plaintext simple. Lol. |
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| 07:51.06 | rabbitear | AndrewMock: only do the lines you need |
| 07:52.07 | AndrewMock | So I can delete the whole thing |
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| 07:52.39 | rabbitear | AndrewMock: you could try that, but I think you atleast need some domain/workgroup 'name' |
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| 07:54.09 | AndrewMock | I will just get a GUI for it |
| 07:54.21 | AndrewMock | I don't like samba at all lol |
| 07:54.38 | rabbitear | AndrewMock: a cop out, but I hear where you're coming from ... |
| 07:54.56 | alechko | hello guys, could anyone help me figure out why I don't have audio on jessie? I use alsa, I can see in pavucontrol that there is signal, but I hear nothing in speakers |
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| 07:55.30 | rabbitear | alechko: turn up the volume yet? |
| 07:55.38 | alechko | ofcourse :) |
| 07:55.45 | rabbitear | k |
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| 07:59.30 | alechko | so I'm connecting regular analog jack to rear port, trying to "aplay -D sysdefault:CARD=PCH /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*.wav" gives me error "aplay: main:722: audio open error: Device or resource busy" |
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| 08:01.07 | rabbitear | alechko: see if the module for your sound card is actually in the 'lsmod' list |
| 08:01.46 | rabbitear | alechko: if it is, then you turn up the volume, other wise, you add it via a modprobe SND_CARD_THINGY |
| 08:01.59 | rabbitear | alechko: and then turn up the volume again |
| 08:02.15 | alechko | modules loaded |
| 08:02.18 | rabbitear | I know I'm repeating, but its the most common by far issue. |
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| 08:02.33 | alechko | http://pastebin.com/nU7Jfnmy |
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| 08:03.30 | rabbitear | alechko: archlinux wiki might have something about ppc sound, its not that "magic" compared to x86 sound .. its been covered |
| 08:03.40 | alechko | as I said, I have pavucontrol open before me, I can see that there is signal |
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| 08:04.43 | rabbitear | you also may be on hdmi sound ..... alechko |
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| 08:06.36 | alechko | any idea how to check? |
| 08:06.36 | alechko | what's the default? |
| 08:06.36 | rabbitear | alechko: I don't I'm not a master at the pulse audio ways :/ |
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| 08:06.59 | rabbitear | alechko: nothing is, I believe it depends on how the hardware wants to default it |
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| 08:07.49 | rabbitear | alechko: I really don't like pulse audio myself <- thats why my piano keyboard stays in the back room |
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| 08:18.31 | lilaoa | Hello. I running debian 2.6.32-042stab111.11, and facing a trouble with Nginx service. When running Nginx as command line, a password is asked properly in order to unlock my cert key. However, when running Nginx as a service (service Nginx start) no password is asked and the server fails to starts. Is there a way to fix the service so that it promps for a password request, as it does on apache with mod_ssl ? |
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| 08:22.06 | nils17 | hi. any chance to get the STATUSBAR in nautilus 3.14 back?? |
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| 08:32.04 | lilaoa | anyone online ? |
| 08:32.20 | berarma | lilaoa, sorry, I don't know the answer but have you looked in the /usr/share/doc/nginx notes? |
| 08:32.32 | berarma | sometimes there's some important information there to use the package |
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| 08:39.25 | lilaoa | berarma: actually, it's not an nginx issue, more a debian one, since services starting do not get a tty (even though we need one for unlocking cert key). I know a solution has been wrote for Apache with SSLPassPhrasseDialog but none has been developed for Nginx |
| 08:39.59 | lilaoa | berarma: I'm a bit stuck, I wish Nginx could have same service support than Apache |
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| 08:43.18 | liar | hi, at work i have to manage a debian jessie installation. how do i enable boot logs? for some reason it uses init scripts instead of systemd: https://bpaste.net/show/6ad1937bfc88 |
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| 08:44.12 | rabbitear | liar: /var/log/kern.log will have a record since boot |
| 08:44.31 | rabbitear | liar: old style was /var/log/messages |
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| 08:45.00 | rabbitear | liar: alos 'dmesg' but it has a line limit .. |
| 08:45.09 | rabbitear | also* |
| 08:45.41 | berarma | lilaoa, then your last chance might be to decrypt the private key. |
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| 08:47.09 | lilaoa | berarma: it's a bad security practise ... if the server get compromised the entire cert chain may have to be revoked etc ... I just can't get why a proper support has been proposed for Apache2 but not for Nginx, you see. Maybe there is a cleaner solution? |
| 08:47.25 | liar | rabbitear: i meant the boot logs from the init scripts (not the kernel logs), because i have troubles with an nfs mount and there are errors printed when the nfs partition is mounted but it scrolls too fast to read |
| 08:48.00 | rabbitear | lilaoa: thats out of my league |
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| 08:48.51 | rabbitear | liar: nfs can log to syslog |
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| 08:49.32 | liar | rabbitear: do i have to enable this somehow? https://bpaste.net/show/283765ac2c63 |
| 08:49.38 | rabbitear | liar: you could take the output of fd 1 and fd 2, from each boot'd from init processes, but thats overkill |
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| 08:51.10 | rabbitear | liar: most anything you can change the log level of that daemon .. |
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| 08:52.23 | rabbitear | liar: but how is 'how ever that daemon' wants you to do that .. in general thats defined as a 'configuration' issue |
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| 08:53.13 | rabbitear | liar: usually in syslog you have something like DEBUG,WARN,INFO ... all the way up to NONE |
| 08:54.02 | rabbitear | liar: but its the services choice, how 'it' would be told to do that |
| 08:54.36 | rabbitear | liar: same with all services everywhere ... they can all make logs somehow |
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| 08:56.00 | berarma | is there some daemon that logs info so that I can get info like the top, vmstat, iotstat,... commands for a time in the past? |
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| 08:56.52 | rabbitear | toplog :) <-- no that would be cool tho |
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| 08:57.00 | rabbitear | berarma: good idea |
| 08:58.11 | rabbitear | berarma: you may or may not be interested in 'tail' <- .. man tail |
| 08:58.34 | rabbitear | but in that case it should be called bottom |
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| 08:58.40 | rabbitear | :) |
| 08:58.41 | jelly | berarma: sar, and newer atop |
| 08:59.13 | rabbitear | hey jelly, signing off now, going to pub in the bitter cold |
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| 09:00.00 | liar | ok i installed bootlogd and now i am getting logs, what could be wrong here? https://bpaste.net/show/d82848aafbbc |
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| 09:00.42 | rabbitear | liar: suppose to be your job to look at them |
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| 09:05.00 | berarma | jelly, how do they compare to collectd? I have a server with high loads at given times and I need to diagnose them after they happen. |
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| 09:07.50 | liar | rabbitear: i have read them but i don't understand them |
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| 09:08.10 | liar | rabbitear: especially because i can mount the partitions when the system is fully booted |
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| 09:23.06 | jelly | berarma: collectd looks like a remote, aggregating service; these are local |
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| 12:03.46 | ZeroBeholder | So, I've configured exim4-- the goal is just to semd me an email. Do you know of a service that is terrible-- so I can test the setup before my SPF & DMARC records are entered? zerobeholder@terribleemailhost.com |
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| 12:07.08 | ZeroBeholder | Sending to my gmail has ~worked with just an SPF record added-- but I'm on a throwaway IP and I just want to avoid changing my DNS records through the janky interface provided as much as possible. |
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| 12:20.01 | __gotcha | Is there a way to specify keyboard in order to avoid the need for user input when installing keyboard-configuration package ? |
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| 12:24.20 | Darkhunter | Hello guys, I upgraded to Debian 8 and uname -a still shows kernel 3.2.0.4 ...Even after deleting 3.2.0.4, updating grub and restarting... |
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| 12:26.11 | jelly | Darkhunter: show the output of dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 12:26.53 | Darkhunter | jelly, linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 12:27.37 | jelly | Darkhunter: alright, and what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 12:28.43 | Darkhunter | jelly, Linux hostname 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:29.12 | ZeroBeholder | __gotcha: There are 'expect' scripts... |
| 12:30.41 | __gotcha | ZeroBeholder: I am actually hoping for something else, like for instance setting up a special file that would be read by the package installation |
| 12:30.50 | ZeroBeholder | I'm not sure if you can set it up with debconf or if you'll have to generate the configuration settings by printf/echo/sed (my go to text file editing commands). |
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| 12:31.14 | ZeroBeholder | __gotcha: maybe look into debconf... |
| 12:31.31 | __gotcha | ZeroBeholder: the problem I face is that some other package depends on keyboard-configuration package |
| 12:31.52 | __gotcha | which starts a dialog |
| 12:32.38 | ZeroBeholder | __gotcha: --like mysql, often installed with debconf. |
| 12:33.09 | __gotcha | I'll check debconf |
| 12:33.54 | ZeroBeholder | echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password select $DBPASSWORD" | debconf-set-selections |
| 12:33.55 | ZeroBeholder | echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password_again select $DBPASSWORD" | debconf-set-selections |
| 12:33.58 | ZeroBeholder | apt-get -y install mysql-server |
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| 12:40.00 | Lionyx | Does anybody have a Training LPI-101 or 102 exam so I can pratice with it? |
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| 12:41.11 | ceptor | Is it possible that the 'jirc' package is broken on jessie and testing? installing and running throws a dependency error on multiple hosts. |
| 12:42.05 | ceptor | I have never filed a bug report on the package tracker -- how can i make sure it's not just my fault? :) |
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| 12:43.12 | themill | ceptor: dependency error in what way (is there some output you can pastebin)? |
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| 12:47.39 | thom_ | Sunet no longer hosting debian? |
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| 12:52.29 | ceptor | sure thing themill, i pastebin'd it. <http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KuRKqv16> |
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| 12:54.03 | ceptor | this happens on every invokation of 'jirc', regardless of the flags. It should be reproduceable, I tried on multiple hosts. |
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| 12:57.37 | themill | ceptor: looks like #800450 |
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| 12:57.59 | themill | ,bug #800450 |
| 12:58.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/800450 in jirc (open): «jirc: missing dependency in jessie»; severity: important; opened: 2015-09-29; last modified: 2015-09-29. |
| 12:58.01 | ceptor | themill, where can i view this bug? |
| 12:58.11 | ceptor | thank you. |
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| 13:08.47 | t4nk441 | hello, does this expression is good or not : while [ !running $server ] |
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| 13:08.57 | t4nk441 | pleasqe |
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| 13:09.26 | t4nk441 | because i don't know how to check if the function is true or false |
| 13:10.01 | Ticho | assuming "running" is a valid command, you need "while [ ! running $server ]; do ...; done |
| 13:10.06 | Ticho | " |
| 13:10.13 | Ticho | there has to be a space after ! |
| 13:10.31 | Ticho | "man test" for more info |
| 13:10.58 | t4nk441 | i don't understand |
| 13:11.04 | t4nk441 | ah ok |
| 13:11.06 | t4nk441 | wait, i test |
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| 13:12.35 | royaflash | how enable iptables icmp log ? |
| 13:12.35 | t4nk441 | it's a mistake |
| 13:12.40 | t4nk441 | i show you the good code |
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| 13:13.56 | t4nk441 | http://pastebin.com/sLrqGXSZ |
| 13:14.29 | t4nk441 | my error : http://puu.sh/lpUD4/f865e4dade.png |
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| 13:17.10 | t4nk441 | Bonjour j'ai un problème d'erreur de syntaxe dans mon code : http://pastebin.com/sLrqGXSZ |
| 13:17.22 | t4nk441 | excuse me |
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| 13:32.23 | kingarmadillo | how do I prevent my debian from complaining about invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/<debianname> not found? |
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| 13:35.10 | Brigo | kingarmadillo, if debian complains about that script is because it needs it. |
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| 13:37.25 | kingarmadillo | what part of a debian tells it to look for those files? |
| 13:37.25 | jelly | kingarmadillo: which command or process complains about that? |
| 13:37.28 | jelly | !ask |
| 13:37.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:37.40 | kingarmadillo | dpkg -i <debianname> |
| 13:37.41 | dpkg | installs <debianname> into kingarmadillo's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 13:38.00 | jelly | kingarmadillo: can you be more specific? |
| 13:38.09 | kingarmadillo | its my own debian im creating |
| 13:38.15 | abrotman | your own Debian? |
| 13:38.22 | jelly | kingarmadillo: your own package? |
| 13:38.27 | kingarmadillo | im a newbie so how do i tell you which? |
| 13:38.34 | kingarmadillo | yes |
| 13:38.38 | bytemonkey | hm |
| 13:39.04 | jelly | kingarmadillo: can you show the specific "dpkg -i ..." command you're running and the whole output? |
| 13:39.30 | kingarmadillo | sure let me put it in pastebin |
| 13:39.40 | jelly | use paste.debian.net if possible |
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| 13:40.27 | bytemonkey | jelly, thanks. I needed a new way to share output and logs. |
| 13:41.19 | bytemonkey | adding to bookmarks |
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| 13:42.31 | kingarmadillo | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4ea3a7eb/ |
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| 13:43.54 | __gotcha | ZeroBeholder: debconf did it. Thanks !! |
| 13:44.06 | Ticho | debian conferences are magic :) |
| 13:44.06 | jelly | kingarmadillo: seems to be a bug in your pewpew-pew package. Its installation scripts probably refer to the init script, but the package does not provide one. |
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| 13:45.49 | jelly | kingarmadillo: if you're testing your own packages by installing them over and over again, be careful about a couple things: dpkg gets easily confused when you install the exact same version again, and it uses old postinst, prerm etc. scripts. |
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| 13:46.33 | jelly | kingarmadillo: 2. if you manually rm /etc/init.d/pewpew-pew, and it's listed as a conffile in the package, reinstalling won't put it back. |
| 13:47.00 | jelly | kingarmadillo: simplest workaround: purge the package before installing it again. |
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| 13:49.10 | kingarmadillo | jelly: alright thanks. im looking for where it tries to access the init script |
| 13:49.37 | jelly | kingarmadillo: postinst probably |
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| 13:51.37 | jelly | dpkg, tell kingarmadillo about postinst |
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| 13:52.08 | bytemonkey | dpkg: postinst |
| 13:52.08 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
| 13:52.16 | abrotman | feel free to msg the bot |
| 13:52.44 | bytemonkey | I really thought I was the only one who saw |
| 13:52.51 | bytemonkey | my bad |
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| 13:58.19 | chele | wonders about why is a bad idea to install from livecd as abrotman mentioned yesterday. |
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| 13:59.24 | abrotman | I did tell you I'm pretty sure |
| 13:59.49 | abrotman | also notes, interesting that irssi doesn't include /me in the "most recent" when doing nicktab |
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| 14:03.34 | chele | I can't see where you have told me. |
| 14:04.34 | bytemonkey | where can I find documentation about [apt] vs [python-apt] ? |
| 14:04.46 | bytemonkey | reliable..documentation. |
| 14:05.01 | bytemonkey | I think im using the wrong search terms |
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| 14:47.15 | praiskup | ping, hi, am I able to find git for debian's libtool package? |
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| 14:59.49 | amdp | hello yesterday I made a mess and deleted /var/lib, then thanks to so's help recompiled dpkg and used apt cache to restore my system. Everything works now but dpkg keeps saying some packages are not configured. |
| 15:00.34 | amdp | I have the feeling the error is due to wheezy old packages in the cache that downgraded jessie ones |
| 15:00.45 | amdp | how do I check and fix that? |
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| 15:03.11 | alias__ | someone familiar managing debian updates with canonical landscape? I managed to install the landscape client and register the debian node to landscape, this all works. Landscape however does not report available updates for this debian system (upgrades are available). Any ideas? |
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| 15:18.53 | freakyy | hi all im having a problem with my debian server. im connected using putty. but when im in screen, and wanna paste from one window to the other it puts ~01 and stuff before and after the paste when i paste in another screen window. it also happens that i when i paste something, even im currently in insert mode, vim just stops inserting, starts inserting and replaces some of the text |
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| 15:22.46 | jelly | freakyy: sounds like you managed to get some escape codes in the copied clipboard buffer |
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| 15:23.28 | jelly | but it works well without screen? |
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| 15:23.56 | BW^- | how do I speed throttle my "lo" interface to 100KB/sec!?!? |
| 15:24.03 | jelly | BW^-: you don't |
| 15:24.06 | BW^- | weird Q please don't ask why =) |
| 15:24.11 | BW^- | jelly: pease =) |
| 15:24.15 | BW^- | jelly: or anyhow all TELNET port access |
| 15:24.16 | BW^- | in total |
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| 15:25.23 | ChrisH | would like to know why one would like to limit lo Interface, just to slow down the complete System? |
| 15:25.32 | jelly | BW^-: telnet clients or telnetd service, running locally? |
| 15:26.34 | BW^- | jelly: sure |
| 15:26.38 | BW^- | jelly: the telnet program, can i speed throttle it? |
| 15:26.42 | BW^- | client and server |
| 15:26.46 | BW^- | both locally yes |
| 15:27.25 | hexorg | not exactly debian related, but does piping in bash (|) work in parallel or series? for example, if programA takes 10 seconds to output 10 lines, and programB takes 10 seconds to process the 10 lines from programA, will programA | programB take 20 seconds, or 11, assuming CPU cores are available? |
| 15:27.50 | BW^- | tc q a dev eth0 root tbf rate 10Mbit burst 10kb latency 5ms mtu 100000 |
| 15:27.51 | jelly | BW^-: dunno, try running both under trickle |
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| 15:28.07 | BW^- | jelly: trickle not installed |
| 15:28.11 | jelly | BW^-: install it |
| 15:28.28 | BW^- | jelly: i can't, am in constrained environment |
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| 15:28.34 | chele | hexorg: sequential. |
| 15:28.38 | BW^- | jelly: but I can use "tc" for trafifc control no? |
| 15:28.49 | jelly | BW^-: probably not for lo iface. |
| 15:28.57 | hexorg | chele, got'cha, thanks |
| 15:29.00 | jelly | BW^-: which debian release is this? |
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| 15:29.23 | BW^- | jelly: latest Debian |
| 15:29.36 | BW^- | jelly: I could do it on eth0 too =) |
| 15:29.37 | jelly | BW^-: so what's the problem with installing trickle? |
| 15:29.37 | BW^- | for a while |
| 15:29.38 | BW^- | hehe |
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| 15:29.44 | BW^- | jelly: am in weird host's thing |
| 15:29.45 | BW^- | install |
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| 15:30.00 | jelly | ah, "weird host's thing", gotcha |
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| 15:33.02 | freakyy | jelly: yes but it happens often. ... what can this be caused by? |
| 15:33.18 | freakyy | (about the copy/paste issue, where i get control codes in my buffer) |
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| 15:33.51 | jelly | freakyy: are you copying from some unusual application? Try pasting to notepad first, then copy from notepad to putty |
| 15:33.52 | dagerik | getting failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1 with systemctl. help |
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| 15:34.22 | greycat | dagerik: recent dist-upgrade, haven't rebooted to the jessie kernel yet? |
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| 15:35.09 | nectur2 | hello i can not get my bluetooth working. i dont see anything listed in lsusb or lspci but i know its there. how cohld i get it to work? |
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| 15:39.24 | mah454 | Hello |
| 15:39.43 | mah454 | I use debian jessie with KDE |
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| 15:40.48 | IOhannes | mah454: congratulations |
| 15:40.58 | mekeor | nectur2: i dunno but maybe take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser ? :) |
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| 15:42.14 | IOhannes | nectur2: is it disabled by hardware? |
| 15:42.32 | mah454 | I setup openvpn client on network manager and connected without any problem , but after connection network traffic not routed to vpn connection |
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| 15:42.59 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? |
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| 15:43.19 | SyBr | Hi |
| 15:43.34 | debian8xfce | how to check hard drive for bad block under debian? |
| 15:43.49 | mah454 | debian8xfce: use badblocks command |
| 15:43.51 | nectur2 | mek thank you but already tried all that |
| 15:43.56 | debian8xfce | googling said to use 'badblocks' util, but synaptic didn't find it |
| 15:44.11 | SyBr | My server doesn't serve images when accessed via URL |
| 15:44.22 | debian8xfce | mah454: bash says 'badblocks' not found |
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| 15:44.32 | nectur2 | the bluetooth adapter is not reconised |
| 15:44.34 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ locate badblocks |
| 15:44.35 | greycat | /sbin/badblocks |
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| 15:44.44 | mah454 | debian8xfce: apt-get install e2fsprogs |
| 15:44.53 | chele | debian8xfce: you need to be root if installed. |
| 15:44.56 | debian8xfce | mah454: installed |
| 15:44.58 | SyBr | such as http://mydomain.com/image.jpg |
| 15:44.58 | greycat | It's in the ... e2fsprogs package. |
| 15:45.03 | debian8xfce | chele: i r root |
| 15:45.20 | debian8xfce | mah454: yeah, it's in sbin, thanks |
| 15:45.28 | debian8xfce | weird that shell doesn't suggest it |
| 15:45.54 | greycat | If you became root, your PATH should include /sbin and /usr/sbin |
| 15:46.00 | SyBr | Instead it shows a bunch of gibberish chars. |
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| 15:46.21 | mah454 | sorry guys , for my problem about opencpn client ... |
| 15:46.23 | mah454 | How can fix ? |
| 15:46.29 | debian8xfce | greycat: true, I was wrong |
| 15:46.34 | mah454 | I setup openvpn client on network manager and connected without any problem , but after connection network traffic not routed to vpn connection |
| 15:46.58 | SyBr | What should I do to serve images correctly? |
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| 15:47.10 | ChrisH | mah454: then check on VPN server side, to have the corrected routes pushed from there. |
| 15:47.16 | debian8xfce | how to check the whole disk for badblocks? point it to /dev/sda? |
| 15:47.19 | SyBr | Is that an Apache conf problem? |
| 15:47.19 | greycat | SyBr: which web server? What are the filenames? |
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| 15:47.50 | debian8xfce | I have sda, sda1, sda2 and sda5 |
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| 15:47.58 | greycat | Apache normally decides the MIME-type by the file extension. |
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| 15:48.06 | mah454 | ChrisH: in ubuntu and debian testing work , but in debian stable have problem !!! |
| 15:48.28 | mah454 | debian8xfce: point to sda |
| 15:48.37 | SyBr | Greycat: the file names are ok with extension and all |
| 15:49.04 | BW^- | jelly: # tc filter add dev eth0 rate 0.1mbit |
| 15:49.04 | BW^- | jelly: Unknown filter "rate", hence option "0.1mbit" is unparsable |
| 15:49.06 | BW^- | jelly: wha tam I missing? |
| 15:49.13 | BW^- | freakyy: ^ |
| 15:49.13 | debian8xfce | mah454: no progressbar or other progress indication.. |
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| 15:49.26 | greycat | SyBr: give us ONE file name. |
| 15:49.38 | freakyy | jelly: no i dont copy from an usual place. copying inside windows works without problems just pasing in my screen windows (not all windows) it happens. |
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| 15:49.59 | mah454 | debian8xfce: common men , please read manual page (-s) |
| 15:50.15 | freakyy | jelly: for example it doesnt happen in here: mysqlcheck -o --all-databases but if i paste in window 9: root@baby ~ # 0~mysqlcheck -o --all-databases1~ |
| 15:51.14 | freakyy | what could that be |
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| 15:52.33 | debian8xfce | 0 badblocks, should I rescan with -f? |
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| 15:54.04 | simon^^ | Hi! I am using sbuild to cross compile a suite of dpkg packages for ARM. The some packages depend on other packages to be built and installed. How is this generally handled? |
| 15:54.40 | devsys | Hi all, I am trying to track down a dns resolution issue. I'm getting slow dns responses. if I do a "time curl domain.com" or "time wget domain.com" it takes over 5 seconds. On another machine, with the same nameservers in resolv.conf it takes less than a half of a second. I tried disabling IPv6, didn't help. Any ideas what else I can check? Thanks! |
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| 15:55.14 | greycat | SyBr: You appear to be using apache 2.2, and the web.jpg file has a server-reported content type of "text/plain". So it seems apache is not picking up the mime types. |
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| 15:56.17 | SyBr | greycat: How can I solve this? |
| 15:56.19 | greycat | SyBr: See if /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mime.conf and /etc/mime.types look correct, but that's based on a lenny box (apache 2.2.9). I'm not sure I have an apache 2.2.22 system. |
| 15:56.55 | debian8xfce | badblocks scan resulted into 0 bad blocks, should I rescan with -f? |
| 15:57.06 | SyBr | I'm open to upgrade my apache if possible too |
| 15:57.14 | greycat | ,v apache2 |
| 15:57.15 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u3; stretch: 2.4.17-2+b1; sid: 2.4.17-2+b1 |
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| 15:57.40 | greycat | You're on wheezy, with wheezy's apache2, probably. Upgrading to jessie/apache2.4 is a HUGE and PAINFUL process. |
| 15:58.17 | greycat | See if you can figure out how the mime.types are being loaded. Or supposed to be loaded. |
| 15:59.02 | SyBr | I thought I was on Jessie... |
| 15:59.19 | greycat | SyBr: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:00.08 | greycat | Then again, if you attempted a wheezy to jessie upgrade with apache involved, you may be right in the middle of the HUGE PAIN now. |
| 16:00.34 | jelly | freakyy: weird |
| 16:00.41 | freakyy | jelly: yea :( |
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| 16:01.15 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 16:01.40 | johnfg | How do I choose what monitor (I have 2) the login screen appears on? |
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| 16:02.00 | johnfg | Running jessie, btw. |
| 16:02.08 | johnfg | And gnome3 |
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| 16:03.49 | SyBr | greycat: 8.0 |
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| 16:04.43 | greycat | SyBr: well, if you are in the middle of a wheezy to jessie upgrade, you need to focus long and hard on apache, until it all works. Read the changelogs, read the apache documentation, read the configs, rewrite the configs.... |
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| 16:05.18 | SyBr | Ohmy |
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| 16:05.45 | styler2go | Hey everyone! I ran a command (dd) and don't want to abort it but close the terminal, somehow possible? |
| 16:05.55 | Nectur | i triet rebooting but i get an error on reboot |
| 16:06.02 | Nectur | org.freedesktop.DBus.error.Spawn,Childignaled: Proces org.blueman.Mechanism signal 5 |
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| 16:06.39 | Nectur | I did try looking it up but i don't think i have wayland in Jessie do i? |
| 16:06.57 | SyBr | Where are the mime settings on Apache? |
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| 16:07.24 | greycat | In jessie? Um... |
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| 16:07.29 | m0rph84 | styler2go, with Ctrl-z you can put process in background, but I dont know if you can close terminal |
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| 16:07.38 | SyBr | Thanks a lot greycat! |
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| 16:08.03 | greycat | SyBr: in jessie, there is still /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mime.conf which contains "TypesConfig /etc/mime.types" |
| 16:08.20 | greycat | But your server is reporting 2.2.22 so you aren't actually RUNNING the jessie apache daemon yet. |
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| 16:10.42 | SyBr | Ok... I'll get that closely looked at. Thanks again greycat! |
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| 16:15.18 | styler2go | m0rph84: how can i continue it? |
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| 16:17.14 | m0rph84 | styler2go, check man nohup |
| 16:18.01 | johnfg | How do I choose what monitor (I have 2) the login screen appears on? Running jessie and gnome3. |
| 16:18.31 | greycat | m0rph84: bg; disown |
| 16:18.31 | m0rph84 | or if your dd is already running |
| 16:18.46 | m0rph84 | bg and dosown |
| 16:18.55 | m0rph84 | disown* |
| 16:19.14 | greycat | But if you plan ahead, it's better to run the thing inside tmux or screen so you can reattach to it later. |
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| 16:20.28 | styler2go | m0rph84: i don't get it :/ |
| 16:21.28 | bluestooth | i am nbjust installed debian 8.2 and my bluetooth device |
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| 16:22.57 | bluestooth | i am new to this. i installed debian 8.2 and my bluetooth device does not work. someone told me to do lsusb and the output is as follows: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
| 16:23.21 | bluestooth | is that device supported out of the box? |
| 16:23.25 | m0rph84 | styler2go, first Ctrl-z |
| 16:23.29 | m0rph84 | next |
| 16:23.44 | m0rph84 | type bg |
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| 16:24.06 | m0rph84 | type disown |
| 16:24.11 | m0rph84 | type exit |
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| 16:26.28 | julius | sometimes my machine does not went to sleep properly from gnome. either the harddrive is shut down and the fans are still running or just the screen wents black and everything else keeps running. |
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| 16:26.41 | bluestooth | is that device supported out of the box? |
| 16:26.44 | julius | would you say that this could be solved with a newer kernel or ist it a graphics driver bug? |
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| 16:26.59 | bluestooth | i mean the device i mentioned |
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| 16:29.45 | styler2go | but how to restart it after that |
| 16:30.15 | greycat | styler2go: if you want to RETURN to a command, you have to run it in screen or tmux |
| 16:30.29 | greycat | Otherwise, once you destroy the terminal it was in, you can't get back to it. |
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| 16:32.14 | styler2go | ok |
| 16:32.25 | styler2go | it's dead then :D |
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| 16:34.24 | Nydjer | someone, please help with a guide: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ it says to add a line to sources.list file, but debian says 'access denied' even if I sudo order it |
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| 16:34.44 | greycat | Nydjer: what is the EXACT command and the EXACT error |
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| 16:34.59 | greycat | Nydjer: are you trying, by chance, to do something like sudo echo ... >> file ? |
| 16:35.02 | Nydjer | sudo echo 'deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main' >> |
| 16:35.03 | Nydjer | yeah |
| 16:35.04 | Nydjer | :D |
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| 16:35.21 | greycat | Redirections occur before the command. So the redirection is occurring as you. You want sudo sh -c 'echo ... >> file' |
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| 16:35.43 | Nydjer | man sudo sh -c |
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| 16:36.55 | Nydjer | '-c': read commands from the command string operand instead of from the standard output. |
| 16:36.56 | Nydjer | wut |
| 16:37.07 | Nydjer | ohgod, mans are so confusing |
| 16:37.10 | greycat | You are misquoting something. |
| 16:37.40 | greycat | Either use sudo sh -c 'echo "stuff" >> file' or use sudo editor file |
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| 16:38.10 | Nydjer | yeah I got it |
| 16:38.10 | _cipher | Using editor is easier |
| 16:38.12 | Nydjer | I just wanted to learn what's 'sh -c' |
| 16:38.25 | Nydjer | so I 'man sh' and read what '-c' flag does |
| 16:38.29 | Nydjer | that's what I quoted |
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| 16:38.38 | Nydjer | and that's confusing as hell |
| 16:38.38 | Nectur | bluestooth: i also am having bluetooth issues |
| 16:38.53 | Nectur | i think no bluetooth experts are on today :p |
| 16:38.55 | greycat | sh is a shell... -c means run the following argument as a command. |
| 16:39.07 | Nectur | aren't online* |
| 16:39.10 | greycat | Instead of interpreting the argument as a filename. |
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| 16:43.07 | bluestooth | Nectur, hope them bluetooth experts come today |
| 16:44.09 | Nectur | bluestooth: hope keeps the world going :) |
| 16:44.45 | Nydjer | blueteeth |
| 16:44.55 | Circuitsoft | bluestooth: I have some bluetooth experience. What are you trying to do, and what is failing? |
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| 16:44.58 | Nectur | anyway the new bluez seems to be buggy |
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| 16:45.14 | Nectur | a downgrade might help if your device shows up |
| 16:45.33 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, i am new to this. i installed debian 8.2 and my bluetooth device does not work. someone told me to do lsusb and the output is as follows: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
| 16:45.41 | Nectur | mine doesn't even show up >.< |
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| 16:46.22 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, s that device supported out of the box? |
| 16:46.25 | Nydjer | I do monitor temperature via 'watch -n1 sensors' |
| 16:47.08 | Nydjer | 1. that's uncomfy. 2. it shows 2 devices" 'coretemp-isa-0000' and 'acerhdf-virtual-0', and I can't figure what are they |
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| 16:47.39 | Circuitsoft | bluestooth: Try "lsusb -t" |
| 16:47.52 | Circuitsoft | Look for btusb |
| 16:48.28 | Circuitsoft | For the most part, any USB bluetooth device should work, as it's a defined bluetooth class, so no dongle should require any drivers different than any other dongle. |
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| 16:49.24 | Nectur | : how about built in bt? |
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| 16:49.51 | Nectur | is the any way i can retrieve a none functioning device? |
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| 16:50.10 | Nydjer | can I somehow bind apt-get to sudo? |
| 16:50.15 | Nydjer | I am tired of sudo |
| 16:50.34 | Nectur | Nysjer su |
| 16:50.36 | Nydjer | and coolpros say it's a bad idea to always be a root |
| 16:50.47 | Nydjer | even su < sudo |
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| 16:50.50 | Nydjer | as they say |
| 16:51.05 | Nectur | Nydjer: is that so? |
| 16:51.34 | Nectur | i though su had more privalages since it's a mode? |
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| 16:52.41 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, http://hastebin.com/adiyahapur.pas |
| 16:52.43 | Nectur | Circuitsoft: do you know of any command i could use to get info about unreconised devices? |
| 16:52.56 | Circuitsoft | Nectur: Check if it's disabled in rfkill. |
| 16:53.33 | Circuitsoft | bluestooth: Looks good. Run "hcitool dev" |
| 16:53.58 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, as root? |
| 16:54.25 | Circuitsoft | Should be doable as your own user. |
| 16:54.31 | Circuitsoft | But try it both ways. |
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| 16:56.24 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, hcitool dev output... Devices: |
| 16:56.32 | Nectur | Circuitsoft: rfkill is not installed. is it part of debian base? |
| 16:56.51 | Circuitsoft | No, but it is part of laptop |
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| 16:57.55 | Circuitsoft | bluestooth: dmesg | fgrep - bluetooth |
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| 16:58.01 | Circuitsoft | bluestooth: dmesg | fgrep -i bluetooth |
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| 16:59.16 | Nectur | Circuitsoft: not showing anything but a wireless |
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| 17:00.17 | Circuitsoft | Sounds like it's turned off in the BIOS then. |
| 17:01.01 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, http://hastebin.com/ihezecucam.pl |
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| 17:02.16 | Circuitsoft | bluestooth: That actually kinda looks like a bad USB connection. |
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| 17:03.18 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, will try another usb port |
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| 17:06.09 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, tried all usb ports and the issue remains the same. does my bluetooth adapter require firmware that is not installed by default? |
| 17:07.22 | Circuitsoft | I haven't heard of btusb doing firmware upload. |
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| 17:07.37 | Circuitsoft | It may be worth googling the VID:PID pair, and see if you can find information about getting it working. |
| 17:07.42 | Circuitsoft | I have found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525220 |
| 17:07.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/525220 in linux-2.6 (closed): «Bluetooth Device: hci_cmd_task: hci0 command tx timeout»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-04-23; last modified: 2013-08-08. |
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| 17:09.33 | bluestooth | Circuitsoft, that info is outdated and the bug closed |
| 17:09.45 | Circuitsoft | I see that now. |
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| 17:09.58 | Circuitsoft | I was trying to look up the tx timeout stuff, to see if there's anything about that recently. |
| 17:10.03 | atus_root | hello debian gurus |
| 17:10.14 | atus_root | having one issue with jessie |
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| 17:10.32 | jhutchins | atus_root: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 17:11.05 | Nectur | Circuitsoft: How would one enable it in the bios without a bios? |
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| 17:11.19 | atus_root | did a normal install with dvd. am using ssd but when ever i boot tracker ate's lot of processing power |
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| 17:11.45 | Circuitsoft | Nectur: You do have one, it's just different to get at it. |
| 17:11.49 | Circuitsoft | What kind of machine do you have? |
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| 17:12.09 | atus_root | am running on intel i5 with 8gb of ram |
| 17:12.09 | Nectur | Circuitsoft: i have coregboot |
| 17:12.17 | Circuitsoft | On a lot of machines that come with Windows 8, you need to turn the machine on with a different button. |
| 17:12.23 | atus_root | its a lenovo t420 |
| 17:12.29 | Circuitsoft | Nectur: Ah. You might just be screwed then. |
| 17:12.32 | Nectur | i'm not sure it has a setup to enable/disable devices |
| 17:13.15 | Circuitsoft | atus_root: What is tracker? |
| 17:13.20 | bluestooth | will be back shortly |
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| 17:13.42 | atus_root | circuitsoft its use by gnome3 for file indexing |
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| 17:13.51 | Nectur | Since it came with coreboot, they should not add a built in device without support for it, would they? |
| 17:14.15 | Circuitsoft | Nectur: What is the hardware in question? |
| 17:14.24 | Circuitsoft | Main question: who is "they"? |
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| 17:16.33 | atus_root | any response |
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| 17:16.51 | Circuitsoft | atus_root: No idea, then. |
| 17:16.58 | Circuitsoft | I haven't seen it do much. |
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| 17:18.32 | atus_root | circuitsoft do you use debian jessie? |
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| 17:18.50 | Circuitsoft | yes |
| 17:19.15 | Circuitsoft | I have a few machines deployed with Gnome, on new Celerons. |
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| 17:19.19 | Circuitsoft | No issue whatsoever. |
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| 17:20.29 | atus_root | well imediatly after login in check your services and will see tracker to be on the top eating almost 15% or more |
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| 17:21.21 | Circuitsoft | My own desktop isn't Gnome, so I can't easily test that. But, I've had no complaints from any users. |
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| 17:22.28 | atus_root | http://askubuntu.com/questions/346211/tracker-store-and-tracker-miner-fs-eating-up-my-cpu-on-every-startup |
| 17:22.44 | atus_root | https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/464686-Solved-How-to-disable-tracker-store-processes-that-eat-100-CPU |
| 17:23.30 | atus_root | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=104856 |
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| 17:23.45 | atus_root | circuitsoft so many issues |
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| 17:35.02 | Ripmind | holy, debian instantly recognizes my graphictablet. i need to say, debian/linux really improved in thepast years. |
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| 17:36.47 | Circuitsoft | Ripmind: Hardware has too. |
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| 17:38.15 | Ripmind | hmm.. the pen is not working tho, sadly |
| 17:38.20 | Ripmind | can't scroll with it yet |
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| 17:41.38 | Ripmind | ok got the first problem, my headset is not working. it shows up as a device and withthe correct name but no audio is playing through it. i opened KDE Mixer and set master channel to my headset, still nothing |
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| 17:55.01 | amdp_ | hi I got a dependency problem in dpkg can somebody help me out? |
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| 18:00.28 | Nectur | Circuitsoft: i figured out the bluetooth problem is connected to the kernel, The wireless card Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 also handles the bluetooth, but it isn't reconized. I have no idea how to upgrade the kernel though without reinstalling Debian |
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| 18:02.27 | jhutchins | Nectur: lspci -nn, paste the eight-character ID of the chipset. |
| 18:02.37 | jhutchins | !bluetooth |
| 18:02.37 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa . For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>. See also <btusb>. |
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| 18:05.35 | OnkelTem | Hi all. I'm on Ubuntu (14.04) but have a question on a subject which probably came from Debian |
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| 18:07.02 | OnkelTem | I want to disable a service (postresql) which has no /etc/init/postgresql.conf entry (so I can't add "manual" line there). Only what I have is /etc/init.d/postgresql script with ### BEGIN INIT INFO block |
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| 18:07.18 | OnkelTem | is there a quick way to enable/disable such a service on Debian? |
| 18:07.47 | greycat | OnkelTem: in Jessie, "systemctl disable postgresql.service" or similar. On wheezy, rename the /etc/rc2.d/S* link to anything that does not begin with S |
| 18:07.57 | Nectur | jhutchins: " lspci -nm"it produces an unusable output for me: http://paste.debian.net/333588/ |
| 18:08.20 | Nectur | if i had to guess it's the last line |
| 18:08.33 | Nectur | those are not 8 characters |
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| 18:10.43 | aruna | Nectur: Try lspci -m that will give you human readable output then try lspc -n and you will see the light :-) |
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| 18:11.28 | aruna | Ooops that should be lspci -n |
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| 18:12.29 | Nectur | 168c:0034 |
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| 18:13.05 | Nectur | aruna: thank you |
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| 18:13.43 | Nectur | jhutchins: 168c:0034 is what i get |
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| 18:15.07 | aruna | Nectur: welcome :-) |
| 18:15.31 | amdp_ | I'm stuck with installed packages that dpkg sees as not installed :-( |
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| 18:18.21 | somiaj | amdp_: what does that mean? at some level to install packages you have to use dpkg. |
| 18:18.42 | somiaj | amdp_: what package is installed that dpkg does not see and how did you install it? |
| 18:18.53 | amdp_ | almost all :-( |
| 18:19.01 | amdp_ | http://pastebin.ca/3259969 |
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| 18:19.51 | somiaj | amdp_: care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 18:20.15 | somiaj | amdp_: to get in this mess of a dependency issue means you are most likely mixing packages from various places. If you only use packages from debian stable you should not have such problems. |
| 18:20.25 | somiaj | amdp_: you can use your pastbin if you prefer. |
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| 18:20.57 | amdp_ | I installed most packages with apt-get, but I had to install some of them out of the apt cache so yes I guess I mixed stuff like you say, I'll proceed with your hints |
| 18:21.09 | amdp_ | somiaj: ^ |
| 18:21.38 | somiaj | Yup, binary packages due to shared libaries and dependecies are made for the version of debian they are compiled for (or for the debian based os they are compiled for). |
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| 18:22.13 | somiaj | Mixing stuff compiled for sid, stretch or wheezy on jessie can cause these types of problems (so can grabing a random .deb from some other based on debian distro) |
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| 18:22.41 | somiaj | Binary packages are not meant to be installed on an os/debian version they are not built for. In this case you need to build your own packages. |
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| 18:23.28 | blabla | hi |
| 18:23.35 | blabla | XD |
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| 18:23.45 | amdp_ | somiaj: http://pastebin.ca/3260009 |
| 18:23.57 | blabla | is there a good multiemulator frontend for debian? thanks |
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| 18:24.58 | amdp_ | somiaj: it's exactly what I thought but I don't know how to get out.. paste.debian.net asks me for a certificate |
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| 18:25.15 | Nectur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.50 | hstl | amdp_, can you just reinstall it and do everythin right for this time? |
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| 18:27.14 | amdp_ | hstl: nope, it is a remote server and I have lots of data on it |
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| 18:27.43 | somiaj | amdp_: nothing damanging in your sources that I see (though I'm unsure about the owncloud sources). You must have done something to either remove some core packages or have installed some packages from downloaded .deb files that have caused these conflicts. |
| 18:27.55 | somiaj | blabla: what do you mean by multiemulator? |
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| 18:28.19 | amdp_ | somiaj: any hint on how to step back? |
| 18:28.23 | livingroom | guys i am following the samba install guide. when i get to the part about DNS it says to run the command: $ host -t SRV _ldap._tcp.my.domain. when i do that, it says it cant find anything. what am i doing wrong? |
| 18:28.23 | somiaj | amdp_: I'd backup your data and then get a new image to start fresh from. I'm unsure what is broken but it could take a long time to track down all the issues. |
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| 18:29.00 | somiaj | livingroom: are you actually wanting to set up samba to run on a windows domain or just a local network (like a workgroup) |
| 18:29.10 | livingroom | windows domain /active directory |
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| 18:29.19 | amdp_ | somiaj: I wish I could but it's on a remote server.. |
| 18:29.25 | livingroom | actually trying to set up an AD/DC |
| 18:29.36 | blabla | somiaj: mame, nes, snes, master system, sega enesis, etc, frontend for emualtors or all inone |
| 18:29.57 | somiaj | livingroom: I am a bit unfmailar with the termonology. Are you wanting samba to control this domain or just connect to/be a part of? |
| 18:30.08 | somiaj | blabla: not that I know of. |
| 18:30.18 | blabla | there was gelide but is off now, I am trying emulationstation compiled from source but I have someproblems with theming |
| 18:30.28 | livingroom | somiaj: i want it to be the active directory domain controller yes |
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| 18:31.42 | somiaj | livingroom: I am not expreienced enought with this to see what the issue could be. Sounds like you don't have the domain set up correclty but unsure about that. maybe #samba could be of better help. |
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| 18:33.37 | somiaj | amdp_: your package database looks like it is in a bad state which means your system is broken. Unsure if it is best to try to track down/fix it or start over. From what I see I would start over as it says you are missing debconf, which means you did something to remove it. |
| 18:34.06 | somiaj | amdp_: note both apt and dpkg log what they have done, you could go look at the logs and try to track down the issue. |
| 18:34.08 | amdp_ | somiaj: is there a way to download all .deb packages from jessie in one single directory? |
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| 18:34.47 | amdp_ | somiaj: the log idea is very good I'll do that.. can I dl the jessie .deb packs? |
| 18:34.55 | somiaj | amdp_: depending on what you did, this may not fix your problem. There are ways to use apt-get --download-only to download the .debs you need, or just get them from the mirror directly, but you need to fix your system. |
| 18:34.58 | Nelly | someone there...? what's that best way to extract a website visitor's email addresses? |
| 18:35.18 | Bittarman | Nelly, <input type="email" |
| 18:35.21 | greycat | Extract it from what? |
| 18:35.49 | somiaj | Nelly: from just a random visitor? Most cases the webbrowser wont' be sending the server the email address. |
| 18:36.01 | somiaj | Nelly: of course you can make forms/fields to request such info. |
| 18:36.30 | Bittarman | s/Most cases// |
| 18:37.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | even google analytics won't give you that, afaik. |
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| 18:37.27 | somiaj | Bittarman: maybe someone has their browser configured to send their email to every site they visit. Rare, but possible (: |
| 18:37.34 | greycat | If you typed an email address into a form at some point, then *in theory* a cross-site scripting vulnerability could reveal it.... |
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| 18:37.45 | Bittarman | somiaj, no browser is configurable to do that. |
| 18:37.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's not true. |
| 18:38.02 | Bittarman | NoImNotNineVolt, name it then. |
| 18:38.03 | Circuitsoft | Nectur: If the Wifi card does Bluetooth, it's probably still USB. |
| 18:38.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | Bittarman: LWP |
| 18:38.11 | greycat | You could embed it in the HTTP-User-Agent but why would you? |
| 18:38.13 | Circuitsoft | If this is a desktop, look at the WiFi card - it may have a USB header on it. |
| 18:38.35 | Bittarman | LWP isn't a browser.... |
| 18:38.51 | Bittarman | its a perl library |
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| 18:39.11 | Bittarman | greycat, insanity |
| 18:39.11 | somiaj | Bittarman: you can't configure a browser to send random POST data? I thought you could. i.e. configure it to send this page this post data. |
| 18:39.26 | somiaj | Bittarman: but yes, I agree it isn't happening. (: |
| 18:39.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | "A web browser (commonly referred to as a browser) is a software application for retrieving, presenting, and traversing information resources on the World Wide Web." -- Google |
| 18:40.11 | Bittarman | there you go... "application" its just a library. |
| 18:40.16 | Bittarman | you would have to write the application around it. |
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| 18:40.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not going to get into the semantics here, but no. |
| 18:40.50 | Bittarman | maybe you want to call perl a browser now because you *could* do it that way... run the interpreter, write some lines that run the LWP code.... |
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| 18:41.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | furthermore, there's greycat's suggestion, which would include all GUI browsers that allow the user to specify a useragent string. |
| 18:42.29 | Bittarman | now show the spec that says thats a standard place to put it, and I'll accept your utterings as a possible correct answer. |
| 18:42.38 | Bittarman | otherwise.. I'm off to get dinner... ciao! |
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| 18:43.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | reads requirements document and notices no mention of "standard place to put it". |
| 18:44.19 | somiaj | Anyways this has drifted off topic. The answer is browsers aren't sending the email of the user, unless it is explicity asked for in a form and you have a way to track that user via ip or cookies. |
| 18:44.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | somiaj++; |
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| 18:55.00 | julius_ | systemd is the biggest fuckup ever invented....it failts to mount /media/oldwindowsdrive...and WHAT does it do? it puts me into emergeny mode instead of trying to boot |
| 18:55.07 | julius_ | i hate that crap piece of software |
| 18:55.14 | Nectur | Circuitsoft: well it is not listen in lsusb |
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| 18:55.35 | OnkelTem | greycat: thanks! |
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| 18:55.57 | teraflops | julius_: dont blame systemd for your pebcaks |
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| 18:56.23 | Wamphyri | pebcaks.. lol thats a old saying |
| 18:56.24 | Wamphyri | lol |
| 18:56.35 | julius | the old "system" would just have continued booting |
| 18:57.07 | somiaj | julius_: this is not the place to rant about systemd. Comment out /media/oldwindowsdrive from /etc/fstab and it will boot just fine. |
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| 18:57.15 | julius | it did |
| 18:57.17 | julius | thx |
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| 18:58.24 | livingroom | circuitsoft: are you around? |
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| 18:59.15 | somiaj | julius_: note, systemd consideres it a major issue that it cannot mount a drive (What if that drive had mission critical data to the server running on it). This is not the place to debate such decisions, but it is one that systemd honors. Moral is just make sure your /etc/fstab is correct. And for removeable media make sure it includes the noauto option. |
| 19:00.00 | ewew | or try #systemd |
| 19:00.29 | Nectur | unless ID 13d3:3393 IMC Networks is the bluetooth |
| 19:00.51 | greycat | Even before systemd, a mount failure from fstab would stop the multiuser boot and drop you into single user mode (after a password prompt). |
| 19:01.18 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: Sort of. |
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| 19:02.31 | livingroom | circuitsoft: i got debian and samba installed but i'm hung up on the DNS part. i followed the guide you gave me but when i get to DNS it fails to resolve the _ldap._tcp.my.domain - does my domain need to be a publicly available domain.com or cant it be a private-only "domain.tn.us" ? |
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| 19:06.07 | Nectur | i guess it is the bluetooth, there is a mention of it on some android kernel update |
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| 19:06.58 | Nectur | if this is true how come it isn't detected as a bluetooth adapter by blueman |
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| 19:11.21 | Nectur | though the kernel in question is 3.4.93 i'm using 3.14-2 |
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| 19:15.40 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: Private is fine, but your DHCP server needs to point people to a DNS server that can resolve that. |
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| 19:16.15 | Circuitsoft | The way I configured it is, I put dnsmasq on the router, and had a config line of "server=/mydomain/ip_of_samba" |
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| 19:18.20 | livingroom | circuitsoft: well, i'm trying to set up that DNS server right now and apparently it cant self-resolve |
| 19:19.33 | livingroom | circuitsoft: the howto doesnt explain if i need to use BIND or Named or whatever - samba apparently has a built in DNS, and i can perform lookups using my samba server as the dns server - but it cannot resolve the _ldap._tcp.idg.tn.us |
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| 19:21.13 | Circuitsoft | You know you need to run dig with an SRV request, right? |
| 19:21.29 | Circuitsoft | dig -t SRV _ldap._tcp.gc._msdcs.idg.tn.us |
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| 19:22.00 | dionysus69 | which one do I use on debian 8 ??? make linux-alsa, make linux-jack, make linux-pulse, |
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| 19:22.16 | Circuitsoft | dionysus69: What are you building? |
| 19:22.25 | dionysus69 | chuck 1.3.5 |
| 19:22.36 | dionysus69 | its audio programming language |
| 19:22.40 | greycat | I don't know what "-jack" means in this context. |
| 19:22.41 | Circuitsoft | alsa is raw sound output. You probably want pulse. |
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| 19:22.49 | Circuitsoft | jack is another sound server. |
| 19:23.05 | Circuitsoft | Made for real-time transferring of audio data between applications. |
| 19:23.08 | dionysus69 | hmm so ok I ll go with pulse |
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| 19:23.22 | dionysus69 | hmm or jack |
| 19:23.28 | Circuitsoft | If you're trying to produce music, you'll want jack. If you're just playing around and want to listen to your output, pulse is easier. |
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| 19:23.56 | dionysus69 | hmm ye I ll go with pulse for beginning |
| 19:24.14 | dionysus69 | I want to play with some audio :D I have like zero base in music just experimenting |
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| 19:24.25 | dionysus69 | thanks Circuitsoft |
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| 19:25.42 | Nectur | is IMC Networks Bluetooth module suposed to be supported out of the box or do i need some driver for it? |
| 19:26.52 | Nectur | i'm still inclined to try toupgrade the kernel, but as i've never done so it also somewhat risky |
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| 19:27.19 | Nectur | if i were to upgrade the kernel what would be the proper way other than reinstalling |
| 19:27.53 | greycat | Nectur: install a kernel package from backports |
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| 19:28.14 | Nectur | like how it's mentioned here http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-kernel-upgrade-howto/? |
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| 19:28.31 | greycat | Don't use non-Debian documents to upgrade a Debian kernel. |
| 19:28.55 | greycat | !backports |
| 19:28.55 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 19:31.15 | Nectur | thanks greycat |
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| 19:39.42 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 19:39.53 | johnfg | I've asked this a few times, but no answer so far. |
| 19:40.12 | johnfg | Running jessie and gnome 3, how can I get my login window to be on monitor 2? |
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| 19:41.03 | somiaj | johnfg: the gnome tools don't give you a way to set the default monintor, or are these not honored but the display manager? |
| 19:42.07 | johnfg | somiaj: Not that I've found. I have searched. What specific tools are you thinking of? |
| 19:42.11 | somiaj | You may have to make a custom xorg.conf to force this to happen. Not many people mess with xorg.conf anymore and just xrandr, but these settings only apply after you login I belive. |
| 19:42.38 | somiaj | johnfg: I'm thinking of the tool that gnome gives you to configure gdm3 or configure the display. But it could be that any settings you make on the display don't become active until you login |
| 19:42.54 | somiaj | I know an xorg.conf snippit could do the trick, but unsure if this is the prefered way or not. |
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| 19:43.31 | johnfg | Please post/paste that if you'd like, but I'll also wait to see if any other suggestions come. |
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| 19:44.24 | somiaj | I don't have one as things are detected like I want them. But xorg.conf files can still be used if needed. As I said I'm unsure if this is the best approach to your problem or not. |
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| 19:45.46 | somiaj | johnfg: http://askubuntu.com/questions/113246/permanantly-set-monitor-as-primary -- does following those suggestions to set your other screen as primary work? Or are you not wanting to change the primary monintor, just put the login on the second one but have both on? |
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| 19:48.48 | livingroom | using the hostname command how do i make a hostname change permanent? it seems to revert on reboot |
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| 19:49.30 | greycat | Write it to /etc/hostname instead. |
| 19:49.35 | mah454 | Hello |
| 19:49.59 | mah454 | I can not run steam app with optirun (bumblebee) : this paste : http://paste.debian.net/333628/ |
| 19:50.06 | mah454 | How can fix this ? |
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| 19:54.01 | martin-_-_ | hi |
| 19:54.07 | martin-_-_ | can i remove /var/log/* ? |
| 19:54.08 | jhutchins | mah454: #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 19:54.25 | greycat | martin-_-_: I wouldn't recommend it. Especially not without truncating the contents first. |
| 19:54.35 | greycat | martin-_-_: what are you actually trying to do, and why? |
| 19:54.39 | jhutchins | martin-_-_: You can, but the files will be re-created. |
| 19:55.00 | greycat | jhutchins: only by restarting everything... |
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| 19:55.08 | martin-_-_ | /dev/hdc1 1.9G 2.0G free0 used100% / |
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| 19:55.24 | greycat | otherwise you are left with a full disk, no filenames you can truncate, and no obvious way to free the space |
| 19:55.36 | martin-_-_ | jhutchins, if it will be recreated i see no problem with deleting all files in /var/log |
| 19:55.41 | greycat | martin-_-_: if the goal is to free space, pick one big file that you don't want any more and TRUNCATE (DO NOT REMOVE) it. |
| 19:55.50 | greycat | You truncate a file by doing >filename as root. |
| 19:56.20 | martin-_-_ | how can i turncat all files in a directory? |
| 19:56.23 | greycat | If you want to be verbose you could use something like true > filename but that's not necessary. |
| 19:56.29 | greycat | martin-_-_: for f in *; do >"$f"; done |
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| 19:56.58 | greycat | This strikes me as a rather bad idea in /var/log. |
| 19:57.03 | martin-_-_ | greycat, have i to do first cd /var/log/ and then execute your "script"? |
| 19:57.12 | teraflops | livingroom: or use hostnamectl |
| 19:57.13 | greycat | yes, of course you must be in the right directory |
| 19:57.20 | martin-_-_ | okay good to know :) |
| 19:57.24 | martin-_-_ | thanks greycat |
| 19:57.38 | martin-_-_ | I wanted to be sure |
| 19:57.46 | greycat | I still think it's unwise. |
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| 19:58.22 | martin-_-_ | it worked! yes |
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| 19:59.18 | livingroom | circuitsoft: what does that DIG line do? it's not in the howto. |
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| 19:59.51 | martin-_-_ | /dev/hdc1 1.9G 2.0G 30M 99% / |
| 19:59.51 | martin-_-_ | i need more space |
| 20:00.13 | greycat | You need to find out where the space has actually GONE, instead of just blindly nuking poor innocent log files. |
| 20:00.34 | martin-_-_ | sure |
| 20:00.43 | martin-_-_ | but at the moment I don'T find the cause of it |
| 20:01.00 | ewew | Check /var/cache/apt/archives with du -sh |
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| 20:01.32 | martin-_-_ | 32k /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:02.12 | ewew | first cd in /var/cache/apt/archives and then use du -sh. |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | 32k is nothing |
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| 20:03.02 | greycat | Is 2GB your *entire* system's permanent storage? There are no other file systems? |
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| 20:03.24 | martin-_-_ | no other system discs |
| 20:03.25 | greycat | By today's standards, that's ridiculously small. It's half of a USB thumb drive. |
| 20:03.33 | martin-_-_ | greycat, its a nas |
| 20:03.39 | axc1298 | has anyone had experience using things like preload to load applications from RAM quickly? |
| 20:03.46 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:03.58 | Agiofws | how can i fix this gpg error is it possible? |
| 20:04.02 | Agiofws | W: GPG error: http://kanotix.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D20D6E6F6AECC53D |
| 20:04.32 | livingroom | i am following the samba wiki howto, and it says to test DNS by running this command: $ host -t SRV _ldap._tcp.mydomain - when i run that command, i get "host _ldap._tcp.mydomain not foudn: 3(NXDOMAIN) does anybody know what i should do next? |
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| 20:05.01 | towo` | Agiofws, wget -qO- http://kanotix.com/files/hellfire/Kanotix.gpg|apt-key add - |
| 20:05.14 | jhutchins | martin-_-_: You can track down where the space has gone with du -sh /* and then follow the larger paths. You might want to adjust /etc/logrotate.conf and the files in /etc/logrotate.d/ to keep fewer/smaller logs. |
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| 20:05.22 | martin-_-_ | wtf |
| 20:05.27 | martin-_-_ | again no space left... |
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| 20:06.03 | jhutchins | martin-_-_: You might need to boot it to a live image to investigate. |
| 20:06.12 | greycat | martin-_-_: something actively wrote 30 MB in the last few minutes? |
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| 20:06.20 | jhutchins | martin-_-_: Did this NAS come with Debian installed on it? |
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| 20:06.38 | Hypfer | so hi everyone. I need to get my intel iris graphics 6100 to work on wheezy. what can I do? |
| 20:06.42 | Circuitsoft | livingroom: It's a DNS lookup. |
| 20:06.43 | martin-_-_ | jhutchins, yes debian sarge with some vendor packages from netgear |
| 20:06.51 | martin-_-_ | yes 30mb the last minutes |
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| 20:06.53 | Circuitsoft | It's doing an SRV lookup instead of an A lookup. |
| 20:07.30 | martin-_-_ | where is the spooler stuff loacted? |
| 20:07.48 | Nectur | greycat, i've been meaning to move logs away from the primary drive too(only 16GB) i do this by symlinking to /var/log to another location or can this be configured and if yes. what if god verbid the external storage won't be found will debian crash due to logs location not being pressent? |
| 20:08.04 | jhutchins | livingroom: You need to substitute your actual domain where it says "mydomain". |
| 20:08.08 | martin-_-_ | I can view via the web interface that someone tries to print a 200mb file |
| 20:08.11 | Nectur | forbid* |
| 20:08.12 | Agiofws | towo`, thank you :) |
| 20:08.15 | livingroom | jhutchins: ...yes i know that |
| 20:08.22 | livingroom | jhutchins: i just not posting what my domain is |
| 20:08.26 | martin-_-_ | maybe this is filling up the disc jhutchins greycat ? |
| 20:08.34 | jhutchins | livingroom: Ok. |
| 20:08.38 | teraflops | livingroom: do you have as DNS server the ad dc? |
| 20:08.48 | livingroom | teraflops: i do, yes |
| 20:08.52 | teraflops | Ok |
| 20:08.53 | greycat | Nectur: boot into single user mode. Make sure nothing has any files in /var/log opened. Move /var/log to /var/log.bak, mkdir /var/log, mount a new partition on /var/log (and edit /etc/fstab properly). Then copy the contents of /var/log.bak into /var/log |
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| 20:09.29 | jhutchins | martin-_-_: Yep. |
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| 20:10.05 | Nydjer | debs, I probably need 'playonlinux', what's the correct name of a package? |
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| 20:10.10 | jhutchins | martin-_-_: /var/spool/cups |
| 20:10.22 | Nydjer | because there's no 'playonlinux' in synaptic |
| 20:10.35 | towo` | playonlinux Nydjer |
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| 20:10.55 | teraflops | livingroom: so no firewall at all and yuve created the srv txt records? |
| 20:10.59 | towo` | Nydjer, and you need contrib in your sources to see that package |
| 20:11.00 | jhutchins | greycat: Does he need to stop rsyslog? |
| 20:11.20 | jhutchins | ,v playonlinux |
| 20:11.22 | judd | Package: playonlinux on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 3.7.6-1; wheezy/contrib: 4.1.1-1; jessie/contrib: 4.2.5-1; stretch/contrib: 4.2.6-1; sid/contrib: 4.2.9-1 |
| 20:11.26 | greycat | Does that come up in single user mode? If so, possibly. |
| 20:12.04 | Nectur | greycat: thanks |
| 20:12.07 | Nydjer | towo`: need what? |
| 20:12.43 | towo` | Nydjer, contrib, what's hard to understand? |
| 20:12.46 | livingroom | teraflops: i have not created any records, the samba howto doesnt mention doing that |
| 20:12.53 | jhutchins | !sources.list |
| 20:12.53 | Nectur | Still haven't fixed the bluetooth yet though |
| 20:12.53 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:13.00 | Nectur | frustrated |
| 20:13.01 | livingroom | teraflops: it just says run the command |
| 20:13.25 | Nydjer | dafuq is 'contrib'? there's no such a word in the dictionary |
| 20:13.36 | jhutchins | Nydjer: Where it says "main", add "contrib", and maybe "non-free". Save, run aptitude update && aptitude install playonlinux |
| 20:14.00 | Nydjer | oh, got it |
| 20:14.04 | Nydjer | thx jhutchins |
| 20:14.17 | Nydjer | so 'deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports contrib' right? |
| 20:14.22 | Nectur | before upgrading the kernel is there a way to tell if it will help or do i need some driver instead of a new kernel? |
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| 20:14.50 | jhutchins | Nectur: You need main, which should already be there, I have main contrib non-free. |
| 20:15.08 | jhutchins | !CONTRIB |
| 20:15.08 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 20:15.32 | teraflops | livingroom: the dc is a linux or a windows? |
| 20:15.39 | freakyy | hi all. is there a putty version which is especially popular? like a derivate from it, with tabs, something ebetter than this pageant or something? anyone any ideas or knows of something i dont know about? |
| 20:15.46 | livingroom | teraflops: debian 8.2 jessie |
| 20:16.04 | Guest52723 | freakyy: ssh |
| 20:16.24 | Guest52723 | your terminal emulator will have tabs/windows/etc |
| 20:16.26 | freakyy | Guest52723: no i mean some extra application |
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| 20:16.37 | Nectur | jhutchins: yes but is my bluetooth not working cause of a driver or an outdated kernel, it would be great to know 4 messing with the kernel :p |
| 20:16.56 | Nectur | before |
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| 20:18.07 | teraflops | livingroom: i do not know about that howto but you do need a DNS server. So ignore that part or fix your DNS server |
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| 20:18.26 | livingroom | teraflops: it says i can use the SAMBA_INTERNAL dns server, which is what i'm using |
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| 20:19.19 | teraflops | livingroom: right. Which ip addr you have in resolv.conf? |
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| 20:20.02 | livingroom | nameserver line is the the IP of the server |
| 20:20.06 | livingroom | 128.10.10.13 |
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| 20:21.36 | teraflops | livingroom: hmmm then check the logs |
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| 20:22.41 | Nydjer | jhutchins: failed to find packets, containing 'playonlinux' in their name or description |
| 20:23.00 | livingroom | teraflops: which log? syslog has no errors, neither does log.smbd |
| 20:23.11 | Nydjer | after I added 'contrib non-free' after main and updated aptitude |
| 20:24.10 | teraflops | livingroom: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_AD_DC_Troubleshooting ? |
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| 20:24.34 | Nydjer | should have used arch |
| 20:25.05 | teraflops | Nydjer: ranting that way is gross |
| 20:25.11 | Nydjer | not ranting |
| 20:25.34 | Nydjer | I just stumbled upon 3 people by now (while trying to solve my small issues) that told me I should have used arch |
| 20:26.51 | teraflops | Nydjer: what can I say. Go use it :p |
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| 20:27.02 | Guest52723 | That's odd. I just tried sudo apt-get install playonlinux and it found it. |
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| 20:27.23 | Guest52723 | Nydjer: Have you pasted your /etc/sources.list somewhere? |
| 20:28.05 | Guest52723 | oops. that's /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:28.32 | Nydjer | Guest52723: it's a 1 liner, so I think it's okay to post it here. I followed http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ + the ircbot instructions so it's |
| 20:28.32 | Nydjer | deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 20:28.52 | Nydjer | wait, you name a different path |
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| 20:29.13 | Nydjer | I've pasted contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sources.list |
| 20:29.13 | Guest52723 | The first one was a mistake. I left out "apt" |
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| 20:30.18 | Nydjer | so that's where I should have added contrib |
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| 20:30.47 | Guest52723 | You can compare to mine if it helps: http://darrahmillican.com/~tom/sources.list |
| 20:30.53 | Guest52723 | nick millican |
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| 20:32.52 | Guest52723 | I probably don't need contrib and non-free under every line. I should watch next time to see if any don't load. |
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| 20:33.37 | Nydjer | yay, it worked |
| 20:34.03 | Nydjer | installing playonlinux, wonder if there such a channel on irc |
| 20:34.09 | Guest52723 | probably |
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| 20:34.23 | Nydjer | yup |
| 20:34.33 | Nydjer | thx for help, guys |
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| 20:44.55 | oo_miguel | I put my system under hevy load with `stress` and running multiple instances of `dd` etc... and noticed that a couple of times dmesg reported: "INFO: task stress:18720 blocked for more than 120 seconds." Is this acutally an "error" or is it acceptable to happen? |
| 20:45.43 | greycat | It's a warning. |
| 20:45.44 | oo_miguel | I understand that it is just informative and tells me that the system is very busy so some things take a long time to be accomplished. |
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| 20:46.13 | oo_miguel | greycat: but it is expected to happen under such circumstances? or should I worry? |
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| 20:46.44 | greycat | You should only worry if the load you created in any way resembles actual real-life usage. |
| 20:47.31 | oo_miguel | greycat: ok, so if under real-time usage I will encounter this error message, I should begin to worry. |
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| 20:48.03 | greycat | Your users would already be complaining. |
| 20:48.13 | oo_miguel | greycat: the load I created now was artificial, since I encountered some other problmes before under load (irqs got lost) and wanted to see if this happens again (After a bios upgrade) |
| 20:49.03 | oo_miguel | however the only thing that I observed was that `stress` blocked for more then 120seconds |
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| 20:50.24 | oo_miguel | so I hope everything will be fine now. thanks for your answer. |
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| 20:53.16 | thurstylark | I need to install the kernel headers for 3.16-0.bpo.2-amd64. How do I get my hands on them? |
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| 20:57.03 | Trbo_ | So, i screwed up, big time :D i accidently upgraded to jessie, then tried to perform a downgrade and BY ACCIDENT i removed the kernel headers :P any suggestion on how to fix this? now i get: "dracut warning: could not boot device /dev/disk/by-uuid/d9124710924192 not found" |
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| 20:57.19 | Trbo_ | i'm not that into linux so any help appreciated |
| 20:57.24 | greycat | kernel headers have nothing to do with booting |
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| 20:58.24 | Trbo_ | greycat: i see, so i might have gotten that all wrong, well, i cant find where to change what uuid to boot on, i'm running openmediavault |
| 20:58.39 | thurstylark | Trbo_: That's set in /etc/fstab |
| 20:58.50 | Trbo_ | ah, sec |
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| 20:59.20 | Trbo_ | i only have fstab.empty :P |
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| 21:00.10 | thurstylark | Trbo_: does it have anything in it? |
| 21:00.28 | Trbo_ | blank thurstylark, this OMV seems confusing :P |
| 21:00.44 | thurstylark | Trbo_: omv? |
| 21:00.51 | Trbo_ | openmediavault |
| 21:01.37 | thurstylark | Trbo_: ahh. How does that play into your issue, though? |
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| 21:02.31 | Trbo_ | Sorry being a complete noob, i was adding repos, to be able to install certain tools, then by accident, i upgraded, and got jessie. I don't know if openmediavault adds some kind of layer or changes config |
| 21:03.13 | Trbo_ | but lets forget openmediavault then :P anything i can do to try it? create /etc/fstab? |
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| 21:04.32 | thurstylark | Trbo_: That would be the first thing to try. I'd say boot to a live media and see what drives show up in what order, then build your fstab from that |
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| 21:04.56 | thurstylark | Trbo_: assuming you know what end result you want :P |
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| 21:05.40 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: ok, just need to find a usb-drive :) i'll let you know, i want to boot from that uuid :D i guess i want to boot from that uuid it got after the downgrade? |
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| 21:06.34 | Snow | Hi everyone |
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| 21:06.51 | thurstylark | Trbo_: Whatever the uuid is currently. or alternatively, just use the /dev/sdx identifier. |
| 21:07.13 | livingroom | i swar to god i'm going to smash something over this samba configuration nightmare! |
| 21:07.33 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: im in something called dracut w/e that is |
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| 21:08.04 | Snow | Someone knows if CWP SU: Seismic Unix has a debian package ??? |
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| 21:08.41 | thurstylark | Trbo_: I'm not very experienced with dracut so, unfortunately, your googling fingers are as good as mine :P |
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| 21:08.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Snow about search |
| 21:09.03 | Trbo_ | anybody know anything about dracut haha? :D first time i've seen it |
| 21:09.10 | abrotman | livingroom: "said everyone ever using samba" |
| 21:09.29 | frzr | ;D |
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| 21:09.54 | frzr | not a very frequent user of smb but at work we have to enter user/pass twice |
| 21:10.04 | frzr | to be able to access share, thats weird |
| 21:10.25 | frzr | fails first, succeeds second time :) |
| 21:10.44 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: http://linuxsysconfig.com/2013/03/use-the-dracut-shell-to-troubleshoot-filesystems/ |
| 21:11.03 | Nydjer | debian(wine+xfce)=conflict |
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| 21:12.08 | thurstylark | Trbo_: Neat. Gonna have to remember this. |
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| 21:12.41 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: but, i can't unmount what's not present :P and i dont know what it want me to mount "You have to specify a filesystem" |
| 21:13.07 | livingroom | abrotman: more like "said anybody who has to use linux because his f*cking boss is too cheap to buy CALs for Windows Server" |
| 21:13.23 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: "you must specify the filesystem type" |
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| 21:13.50 | Trbo_ | good thing is, i can see my md0 volume |
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| 21:14.01 | thurstylark | Trbo_: does lsblk return anything? |
| 21:14.12 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: command not found |
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| 21:15.12 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: alla available commands; http://linux.die.net/man/8/dracut |
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| 21:16.08 | abrotman | livingroom: actually, I opted for it .. but to each their own .. |
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| 21:16.36 | greycat | Most of the people here would choose Linux (esp. Debian) over Windows any day. |
| 21:16.59 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: ok, so i got to root=UUID=shitloads of number, now when i do ; mount root i get "cannot find root in /etc/fstab" |
| 21:17.04 | Snow | <abrotman> I was searching, but I didn't find something |
| 21:17.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | i absolutely hate doing anything with windows. |
| 21:17.40 | Nydjer | I should write satirical articles about a newbie in a linux world |
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| 21:17.59 | Trbo_ | Nydjer: u could use me for reference |
| 21:18.14 | livingroom | most of the people here must be crazy. i've spent a week trying to get a samba AD/DC provisioned. i would be done in 5 minutes on windows. |
| 21:18.14 | Nydjer | that's just ridiculous what I had to go through in order to make a text editor work |
| 21:18.20 | Nydjer | and I still failed to |
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| 21:18.58 | livingroom | i get that linux wants to have more options. and i've been using it since RH6.0 was a thing (broken compiler and all) - and i STILL cant make it do what i need it to do in less than two weeks |
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| 21:19.27 | thurstylark | Trbo_: try using root=/dev/sdxx where 'xx' is the correct disk and partition of your root partition. |
| 21:19.31 | livingroom | which is total horsecrap. somebody needs to make it much more friendly to use, or it's going to have less marketshare than apple in the long run |
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| 21:19.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | livingroom: redhat is a broken distribution. |
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| 21:20.50 | millican | Linux isn't about marketshare. With "user-friendliness" comes security and usability flaws. |
| 21:21.05 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: ok, so i can't find my usb-drive in there, only my s-ata drives |
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| 21:21.13 | millican | Windows and OSX are well suited for people who want or need to use computers but don't want to learn how they work. |
| 21:21.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | and linux already has a majority of market share [on servers] by most measures |
| 21:21.15 | ewew | offtopic ? |
| 21:21.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | but yes, offtopic. |
| 21:21.27 | millican | sorry |
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| 21:21.34 | livingroom | millican: i'm not going to debate it, because it's obvious that i'll never win here. i'm just trying to get a working samba domain provisioned |
| 21:21.42 | ewew | We have a room for that. |
| 21:21.42 | thurstylark | Trbo_: you're trying to boot to your usb drive? |
| 21:21.53 | millican | If you DO want to figure out how to do what you want with linux, you're in the right place thouhg. |
| 21:22.10 | livingroom | millican: except that nobody can help me with my samba troubles. i've been trying for days |
| 21:22.12 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: no i did ls -al /dev/disk/by-id/ ; it lists all drives but the one i'm running the OS on wth |
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| 21:22.53 | millican | livingroom: Let me scroll back to see what hte problem was and if it's anything I'm familiar with. |
| 21:23.11 | ewew | livingroom Samba is not easy to configure. Even i dont know how. |
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| 21:23.16 | somiaj | Trbo_: does blkid help? |
| 21:23.18 | thurstylark | Trbo_: do 'ls /dev/' Your disks will be sdxx |
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| 21:23.39 | livingroom | well dont bother i'm canceling this project |
| 21:23.46 | livingroom | if they want an active driectory here they're going to have to buy microsoft cals |
| 21:23.56 | thurstylark | Trbo_: use those instead. Forget uuids until you get it booted. |
| 21:24.03 | somiaj | livingroom: have you tried #samba? |
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| 21:24.10 | millican | livingroom: Are you setting this up on Debian? |
| 21:24.26 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: md0 = raid, sda,sdb,sdc and so on, but i cant see usbdrive there, which should be sda, but it's one of the s-ata drives |
| 21:24.29 | Trbo_ | somiaj: let me see |
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| 21:25.05 | Trbo_ | bklid returns all members of the raidgroup somiaj |
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| 21:25.12 | Trbo_ | blkid |
| 21:25.17 | livingroom | #samba is worthless there's only two people who ever say anything in there and they're not at all interested in helping |
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| 21:25.21 | livingroom | and yes, debian 8.2 jessie |
| 21:25.29 | millican | How far have you gotten? |
| 21:25.41 | livingroom | i dont even know how to answer that |
| 21:25.42 | Nectur | well i got the bluetooth working |
| 21:25.42 | thurstylark | Trbo_: usb drives often come up as /dev/sdx as well. Where I have sda and sdb as sata drives, I'll plug in my usb drive and it will be given sdc |
| 21:25.45 | livingroom | i followed the wiki to the DNS part |
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| 21:25.50 | livingroom | and thats when it stopped working |
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| 21:25.57 | Nectur | i neded the firmware after all |
| 21:26.05 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: yep, that's the strange part, cause, how can i boot on it, when it's not detected? |
| 21:26.12 | somiaj | Trbo_: yea it will return any device, but it is helpful beacuse it lits various id info. |
| 21:26.13 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: i'll remove the sata drives, hold on |
| 21:26.18 | livingroom | i can join the domain but i cannot log on or use any AD features |
| 21:26.21 | millican | DNS? I've never used that to get Samba working ... and it works fine now with Windows and Linux machines. |
| 21:26.40 | Trbo_ | livingroom: that's probably not samba issue, but ldap |
| 21:26.51 | thurstylark | Trbo_: try unplugging your usb drive, 'ls /dev', plug in your usb drive, 'ls /dev' again, and see which one appeared. |
| 21:26.55 | livingroom | jesus |
| 21:27.10 | livingroom | i have no idea what the hell to do next. i'm just trying to follow wiki/walkthrough/howto and nothing is working |
| 21:27.14 | livingroom | this should not be difficult. |
| 21:27.21 | Nectur | Though i have a new question can i use btnx on debian or is the an btnx alternative? |
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| 21:27.35 | capio | Is debian testing rolling release? |
| 21:27.37 | millican | Do you have the workgroup set in /etc/samba/smb.conf? |
| 21:28.07 | millican | You'll set it to the workgroup the windows machines are in. |
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| 21:35.09 | millican | I'm checking my smb.conf to see if anything jumps out as a possibility |
| 21:35.18 | Trbo_ | mtn: is this something i should think about? |
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| 21:35.24 | somiaj | thurstylark: You don't need the -t wheezy-backports. Just apt-get upgrade. And if it isn't upgrading your kernel it is because you have some other kernel installed. |
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| 21:35.36 | mtn | Trbo_, sorry, what are you talking about? |
| 21:38.48 | Trbo_ | running openmediavault on debian, screwed the installation, can boot, but get dracut, and cant figure how to fix it |
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| 21:38.48 | mtn | Trbo_, sorry, don't know anything about it |
| 21:38.48 | Trbo_ | mtn: ok! :) |
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| 21:38.48 | millican | "valid users" can be specified in individual shares if that helps. |
| 21:38.49 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: according to this, i could reinstall? http://forums.openmediavault.org/index.php/Thread/5731-Mounting-Raid-5-after-reinstall-update/ |
| 21:38.49 | Trbo_ | just need some verification before i go ahead |
| 21:38.49 | Trbo_ | i have very critical data on there |
| 21:38.49 | livingroom | millican: i'm not trying to share files, primarily. i'm trying to set up an active directory domain controller so i can finally have user-level access permissions and WSUS support on this wild-west network i've got |
| 21:38.57 | millican | Oh. |
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| 21:39.09 | thurstylark | Trbo_: ooh, what about removing the root drive and plugging it into another computer, then manually recreating the fstab? |
| 21:39.49 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: that i could try! just need to get a vm with linux :P |
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| 21:40.11 | thurstylark | Trbo_: meh, just anything that'll mount that filesystem. |
| 21:40.26 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: i only have windows machines atm |
| 21:40.31 | thurstylark | *and write to that filesystem |
| 21:41.33 | millican | I didn't know Samba was used for that. |
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| 21:43.19 | thurstylark | Trbo_: you can use a live install disk to run linux temporarily. |
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| 21:43.19 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: gonna try ext2fsd |
| 21:43.19 | somiaj | millican: yea it can actually be an active domain controler. This is a feature that not many people use and thus #samba and some patience is probabaly the better place to be. Try to get someone who actually uses samba as a domain controler would help out a lot. |
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| 21:43.29 | livingroom | well #samba is a dead channel |
| 21:43.53 | millican | I use it for file and printer sharing, but that's pretty much as far as my needs go. |
| 21:44.16 | millican | ...which results in that also being as far as my experience goes. |
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| 21:45.30 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: downloading debian live, gonna give it a try :) |
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| 21:46.00 | millican | Hopefully somebody at #samba will come along. |
| 21:46.10 | thurstylark | what is the difference between linux-headers-3.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 and linux-headers-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64? |
| 21:46.16 | somiaj | millican: yea the domain controler is a bit more complicated. |
| 21:46.32 | somiaj | thurstylark: probabaly mostly secuirity fixes with some bug fixes. |
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| 21:46.49 | thurstylark | somiaj: so that's just a version number? |
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| 21:47.02 | somiaj | thurstylark: I would make sure you install the mathing kernel. And if your backports kernel is a bit outdated, to update it |
| 21:47.38 | Trbo_ | somiaj: if i do uname -r i get "3.16..0-4-amd64" so apparently i have a kernel |
| 21:47.39 | somiaj | thurstylark: well it is a paticular version number. The major version of the kernel 3.16 is the same, but sub version 3.16.x increases over time as bugs/security holes are found and fixed in the 3.16 kernel branch. |
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| 21:48.15 | somiaj | thurstylark: the backport team just increments the bpo.2, bpo.3, bpo.4 number each time they make a backport off the updated kernel source (with the security and maybe bug fixes) |
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| 21:50.38 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: it appeared!! |
| 21:50.42 | Trbo_ | as /dev/sda |
| 21:50.43 | Trbo_ | wtf |
| 21:50.53 | Trbo_ | now what do i do :P |
| 21:51.08 | Delta706 | I want to install jessie. Should I use mini.iso? |
| 21:51.40 | greycat | Delta706: use a net install image (ISO) |
| 21:51.57 | Trbo_ | ITS ALIVE |
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| 21:52.00 | Trbo_ | haha, sorry for the hype |
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| 21:52.11 | thurstylark | Trbo_: Niiice. |
| 21:52.37 | Trbo_ | i have no idea why tho |
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| 21:53.54 | Delta706 | greycat: I am looking at the MANIFEST file |
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| 21:55.14 | Delta706 | None of the files are marked as a net install ISO |
| 21:55.18 | greycat | !netinst |
| 21:55.19 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 21:55.28 | Trbo_ | thurstylark: now i just need to be able to login lol! |
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| 22:00.35 | waressearcher2 | is debian vulnerable to blind icmp-reset attack ? |
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| 22:01.17 | Trbo_ | any idea why i cant login with root when NOT in recovery mode |
| 22:01.31 | Trbo_ | i tried changing password |
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| 22:02.15 | somiaj | Trbo_: it could be root login is locked |
| 22:02.26 | somiaj | Trbo_: man passwd look at --lock |
| 22:02.34 | Trbo_ | somiaj: cannot execute /bin/bash |
| 22:02.43 | Trbo_ | when i do login from recovery |
| 22:02.53 | somiaj | Trbo_: ls -l /bin/bash |
| 22:03.11 | Trbo_ | somiaj cannot access no such directory |
| 22:03.13 | somiaj | could it be the root file system is not corectly mounted? Is bash correctly installed? |
| 22:03.35 | Trbo_ | somiaj: sorry, i dont know, but it's booting fine, so i'm guessing it is? |
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| 22:04.46 | somiaj | well cannot execute /bin/bash says something is wrong with executing that file. could be the file system is not mounted, or is mounted noexec |
| 22:05.30 | Trbo_ | somiaj: so it would be mounted r/o? |
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| 22:06.42 | Trbo_ | somiaj: /etc/passwd seems correct? root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
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| 22:08.34 | Trbo_ | somiaj: well something is wrong cause the nic isn't recognized as well |
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| 22:09.17 | Trbo_ | i'm try something crazy, and replace some stuff? |
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| 22:12.28 | Trbo_ | AHA somiaj |
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| 22:12.50 | Trbo_ | so, bin/mount shows no rootfs |
| 22:14.56 | Nectur | If i want to remap mouse buttons should i use xinput xmodmap or xbind |
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| 22:15.20 | Nectur | i can't really tell what the difference is |
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| 22:15.52 | Nectur | xinput seems more information centric but i could be wrong |
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| 22:18.21 | mo1991reg | !register |
| 22:18.22 | dpkg | mo1991reg: /msg nickserv help |
| 22:18.43 | mo1991reg | register |
| 22:18.46 | mo1991reg | REGISTER |
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| 22:19.31 | mo1991reg | IDENTIFY |
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| 22:19.51 | millican | mo1991reg: What are you trying to do? |
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| 22:20.12 | mo1991reg | register my nick, forgot how to do that :) |
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| 22:21.20 | millican | I think it's" /msg NickServ register (password)" |
| 22:21.29 | mo1991reg | thanks millican |
| 22:21.40 | thurstylark | Weird. Updated the kernel, and when I rebooted, /tmp was owned by "1010" with 1777 permissions. |
| 22:21.49 | millican | Youre emailgoes afterthe password |
| 22:22.17 | thurstylark | Don't have a uid of 1010 on my machine, sooo... Don't know where that came from. |
| 22:23.39 | thurstylark | turns out X11 won't start if it can't write there... |
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| 22:24.48 | Trbo_ | hmm, why is my eth0 not showing |
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| 22:26.38 | ewew | Trbo_ What is the output of this command ip address show eth0 ? |
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| 22:27.05 | Trbo_ | device eth0 does not exits :P |
| 22:27.13 | Trbo_ | ewew: this is soooo strange |
| 22:27.28 | cantor | There is a src package I'm trying to build from, but the package builds three binaries and I only need one. I'm having issue figuring out where I can tell it to only build the one |
| 22:27.34 | Trbo_ | thing is, i think my fstab is really fkd, but im to noobish to rebuild it |
| 22:27.36 | ewew | Trbo_ Ok. Try to replace eth0 with eth1 |
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| 22:28.01 | Trbo_ | ewew: same, if i do ifconfig -a i get lo only |
| 22:28.35 | cantor | I see the rules file and I'm looking at that, but there is a lot of stuff that I don't know if I should comment it out or if there is a flag I can set to tell it to only do a particular part of it. Also do I need to cut the other files out of the .dsc file? |
| 22:29.19 | ewew | Trbo_ Ok. do this dmesg | grep -e "BOOT_IMAGE" |
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| 22:30.34 | Trbo_ | ewew got a looong output |
| 22:30.49 | ewew | Trbo_ Is there a word single ? |
| 22:30.54 | Trbo_ | ro single |
| 22:30.55 | jhutchins | Trbo_: If ifconfig -a is not finding your nic, it means that there's no driver loaded for it. |
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| 22:31.23 | Trbo_ | jhutchins: that's what i was thinking |
| 22:31.38 | jhutchins | Trbo_: Assuming it's pci, try lspci -nn and see if you can identify it. If it's not recognized, you'll just get an eight-character ID. Post it here. |
| 22:32.07 | Trbo_ | jhutchins: lspci: not found |
| 22:32.10 | Trbo_ | hmm |
| 22:32.14 | ewew | Or run dmesg | grep -e "eth" |
| 22:32.31 | Trbo_ | give nothing ewew |
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| 22:34.03 | jhutchins | Trbo_: as root. |
| 22:34.16 | Trbo_ | jhutchins: sec :P |
| 22:34.32 | jhutchins | ewew: If it were recognizing it in the boot processs (dmesg) it would be visible with ifconfig -a |
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| 22:35.18 | Trbo_ | jhutchins: same either way |
| 22:35.30 | ewew | Looks like we have to mount the real root fs to do something usefull. |
| 22:35.50 | Trbo_ | jhutchins: when i login, i get "cannot execute /bin/bash: permission denied" |
| 22:36.03 | ewew | My point of view is that its running from initramfs image. |
| 22:36.08 | Trbo_ | yeah ewew but how :P i'm linux-noob and windows ninja haha |
| 22:36.42 | ewew | Well i dont know if have there some data. I dont want to make i mistake. |
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| 22:37.56 | Trbo_ | ewew im gonna upload a pic of fstab |
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| 22:38.02 | ewew | ok |
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| 22:38.30 | jhutchins | Trbo_: I've scanned further back in the scrollbuffer, you working on a very different problem than I realized. You need to get the disk sorted out first. |
| 22:38.44 | Trbo_ | jhutchins: that i did! :) |
| 22:40.12 | Trbo_ | ewew: jhutchins http://imgur.com/yZ26B0J |
| 22:40.27 | Trbo_ | but now, the usb is on /dev/sda |
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| 22:43.29 | ewew | Trbo_ dmesg | grep -E "sda[[:alpha:]]" |
| 22:43.56 | ewew | Trbo_ oops dmesg | grep -E "sd[[:alpha:]]" |
| 22:44.24 | Trbo_ | ewew: ok, that gives tons of rows |
| 22:44.49 | ewew | Trbo_ How big is your hdd ? |
| 22:45.08 | Trbo_ | my raid is 12tb, my usb is 16gb |
| 22:45.26 | abrotman | Trbo_: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:45.36 | Trbo_ | abrotman: getting my filesystem to work again :P |
| 22:45.49 | abrotman | Trbo_: is this a workstation? |
| 22:46.15 | Trbo_ | abrotman: it's uhm, a fileserver |
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| 22:46.26 | abrotman | Trbo_: can it be rebooted? or is it production? |
| 22:46.37 | Trbo_ | abrotman: reboot is not an issue :) |
| 22:46.50 | abrotman | not an issue, or not an option? |
| 22:47.10 | Trbo_ | abrotman: i'm currently in recovery mode, so i can reboot a million times, it's just a server for myself |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | ah okay .. |
| 22:47.58 | abrotman | Trbo_: have you tried to fsck the broken filesystem? |
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| 22:48.29 | Trbo_ | complains about /dev/sdd1 is mounted, when i try to unmount it says it's busy |
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| 22:48.39 | ewew | Trbo_ What kind of Raid is this ? hw or sw ? |
| 22:48.47 | Trbo_ | ewew: sw! |
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| 22:51.58 | ewew | Trbo_ What are contents of /proc/mdstat ? |
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| 22:52.32 | Trbo_ | ewew: md0 and it's devices in raid5 config |
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| 22:53.46 | ewew | Trbo_ Its that all in file ? |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | Trbo_: shutdown -rF now |
| 22:54.00 | Trbo_ | ewew: yes! |
| 22:54.03 | Trbo_ | abrotman: ok, sec |
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| 22:54.21 | Trbo_ | abrotman: didnt work well :P |
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| 22:55.02 | abrotman | Trbo_: what did it say? |
| 22:55.10 | Trbo_ | wrong usage :P |
| 22:55.17 | abrotman | what OS is this? |
| 22:55.38 | Trbo_ | debian 7 downgrade from 8 (jessie) :P that's where all went south |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | downgrade? |
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| 22:56.00 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
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| 22:56.58 | Trbo_ | well, because openmediavault doesn run with jessie |
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| 22:57.45 | Trbo_ | ewew did u see my imgur link |
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| 22:59.00 | ewew | Trbo_ Did order of devices changed ? |
| 22:59.15 | Trbo_ | ewew: only usb |
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| 23:00.21 | ewew | Trbo_ Well. We could change the grub cmdline, but i dont know what will happen. Are you sure that the root system is on /dev/sdh1 ? |
| 23:00.41 | Trbo_ | ewew it's on /dev/sda1 now |
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| 23:01.02 | ewew | Trbo_ Are you super sure ? |
| 23:01.18 | Trbo_ | can i check somehow? :) |
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| 23:01.53 | ewew | Trbo_ If you know the size of root partition. |
| 23:02.02 | Trbo_ | i do! |
| 23:02.13 | Trbo_ | 16gb! |
| 23:02.27 | ewew | Trbo_ What sdx has this size ? |
| 23:02.27 | Trbo_ | the rest is in Tb |
| 23:02.48 | Trbo_ | wait, wth, /dev/sdd1 is 14G |
| 23:02.56 | Trbo_ | Mounted on / |
| 23:03.24 | ewew | well i dont know how much is your system affected by the downgrade. |
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| 23:05.18 | Trbo_ | ewew: according the the guys in openmediavault the raid should be intact even at re-install, so we can try! |
| 23:05.24 | Trbo_ | ewew: try to fix fstab i mean |
| 23:05.47 | Trbo_ | i'm learning stuff tonight, awesome |
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| 23:06.58 | ewew | Trbo_ What error message caused it to go in rescue mode ? |
| 23:07.11 | Trbo_ | ewew cant login, even after chaning root pwd |
| 23:07.26 | GitGud | can any/every application/service be configured to run on startup with systemd/systemctl ? |
| 23:07.37 | ewew | Trbo_ Because you have ro mode. |
| 23:07.48 | Trbo_ | ewew can i change that? |
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| 23:10.15 | Trbo_ | ewew http://imgur.com/KMnZmyA |
| 23:10.44 | Trbo_ | ewew: that's how it is running right now |
| 23:10.56 | Trbo_ | so comparing that to fstab, should explain the issue with ro? |
| 23:11.46 | ewew | This issue may have caused the upgrade of kernel and probably it changed detection order of disks. |
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| 23:12.45 | ewew | Dont know why it does not work with uid. Something must have been changed. |
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| 23:13.25 | Trbo_ | ewew /dev/sdg1 maps to /media/usb0 can that be the issue? |
| 23:13.51 | ewew | /dev/sdd if now / |
| 23:14.25 | ewew | does it change on reboot ? |
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| 23:14.33 | Trbo_ | let me check :) |
| 23:14.44 | rsenior | I'm dual-booting a MacBookPro 11,3 with OSX and Debian testing, and I'm noticing really bad performance. It looks disk related (SSD included with the MBP). Anyone have any pointers on what might be wrong on my setup? |
| 23:15.38 | rsenior | When I say bad perf, I have some code that munges a JSON doc, POSTs it to a Jetty web service and enqueues it into AMQ. I'm using identical code (same git repo checked out in bothplaces, includes Jetty deps etc) for OSX and Debian, and I'm finding on the Debian side, it's POSTing/enqueuing the docs at about 1/100th of the rate as OSX. |
| 23:15.40 | Trbo_ | ewew it's the same |
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| 23:16.02 | ewew | Trbo_ mount -o remount,rw / |
| 23:16.35 | ewew | Trbo_ You should have rw access. |
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| 23:16.56 | ewew | Trbo_ Looks like the raid array is assembled. |
| 23:17.14 | Trbo_ | [ 85.055571] EXT4-fs (sdd1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro |
| 23:18.05 | ewew | Trbo_ Now you can change root password. |
| 23:18.08 | Trbo_ | ewew raid is present :P |
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| 23:18.10 | Trbo_ | ok, let me try |
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| 23:18.31 | Trbo_ | still cannot execute bin/bash |
| 23:19.10 | ewew | ls -la /bin/bash |
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| 23:19.31 | Trbo_ | drwxrwxrwx |
| 23:19.41 | Trbo_ | drwxr-xr-x |
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| 23:20.37 | ewew | Trbo_ id |
| 23:20.54 | Trbo_ | ewew id? :P |
| 23:20.59 | ewew | command |
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| 23:21.23 | Trbo_ | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
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| 23:21.57 | Trbo_ | ewew if we solve this, i will send you beer |
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| 23:22.11 | ewew | Well. From the output of ls -la /bin/bash your system is courupted. |
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| 23:23.19 | Trbo_ | ewew hmm ok, maybe i should try a re-install? |
| 23:23.38 | ewew | Trbo_ I would backup first. |
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| 23:23.47 | Trbo_ | ewew /etc? |
| 23:23.57 | frzr | /dev/null |
| 23:24.00 | ewew | Try to access the array. |
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| 23:25.13 | Trbo_ | ewew i can! |
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| 23:25.31 | ewew | Trbo_ Do you have a spare drive ? |
| 23:25.37 | Trbo_ | ewew i do |
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| 23:26.38 | brguy | Hi, I'm building texts for fresh new linux installs, when you don't know what to do for your new laptop install, can anyone help me with Debian? https://github.com/jeanleonino/linux-checklist |
| 23:26.39 | ewew | Trbo_ Ok. Make a backup of the data. Just in case something goes wrong. |
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| 23:26.48 | pavlz | hi |
| 23:26.50 | brguy | the fedora and ubuntu parts are almost good |
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| 23:27.00 | uberdub | get a think penguin |
| 23:27.09 | Trbo_ | ewew: ok, i will |
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| 23:27.32 | uberdub | I love my korora |
| 23:27.39 | ewew | Trbo_ Its better to have second backup. |
| 23:27.45 | pavlz | i got my micro sd of 64 gb of kingston, and the adapter usb of sandisk where to insert the micro sd |
| 23:27.58 | Trbo_ | it is :D ewew |
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| 23:28.08 | abrotman | brguy: we have an installation manual |
| 23:28.16 | pavlz | i would like to know which package to install so that i can open the files that the micro sd can be mounted |
| 23:28.29 | uberdub | www.thinkpenguin.com |
| 23:28.43 | brguy | abrotman: but this is for personal usage, to install utilities like vim or emacs, or development frameworks |
| 23:28.43 | pavlz | [33966.322604] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdd] 122519552 512-byte logical blocks: (62.7 GB/58.4 GiB) |
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| 23:28.48 | Trbo_ | i just have to live boot, access the md0 and transfer over the network lol |
| 23:29.02 | Trbo_ | cause i can't add more drives to the server |
| 23:29.05 | abrotman | brguy: so why would you ask us what you personally do? |
| 23:29.10 | pavlz | [34103.120092] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] 122519552 512-byte logical blocks: (62.7 GB/58.4 GiB) |
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| 23:29.45 | brguy | abrotman: I posted on #debian-offtopic, someone told me to post in here :) but because it's missing a debian part, only have ubuntu and fedora so far |
| 23:29.59 | brguy | abrotman: I assume people here are debian users, right? |
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| 23:30.06 | brguy | it's for debian users |
| 23:30.44 | brguy | abrotman: I don't use Debian for desktop, only for production servers, so I am not sure what could be useful or not... and that's why I shared |
| 23:30.46 | pavlz | debian users are NOT fedora OR ubuntu users |
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| 23:30.58 | brguy | pavlz: yes, true :) I didn't say that |
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| 23:31.12 | shanemikel | well, I use all 3 |
| 23:31.12 | pavlz | to the contrary ubuntu eists thanks to GNU/linu Debian |
| 23:31.14 | brguy | pavlz: there are different lists for each distro |
| 23:31.19 | abrotman | brguy: I don't see one for Debian |
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| 23:31.34 | uberdub | ubuntu is better enduser flavor imo |
| 23:31.40 | brguy | abrotman: yes, exactly why I'm coming here, to ask if someone can help contributing with a Debian list |
| 23:32.16 | brguy | uberdub: I agree with you, to be honest |
| 23:32.27 | pavlz | ubuntu is NOT better, because in the last two weeks, i met people in IRC interested to UMOUNT ubuntu |
| 23:32.31 | uberdub | not sure why I let my buddy talk me into installing debian lol |
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| 23:32.42 | abrotman | brguy: lots of people can .. but you need to start with a framework |
| 23:32.50 | abrotman | this isn't an Debian vs Other channel |
| 23:33.16 | uberdub | lol |
| 23:33.17 | pavlz | i REFUSE to call ubuntu GNU/linux, till it does NOT provide to remove NON free software from the mirrors |
| 23:33.20 | brguy | abrotman: lots of people can... contribute you mean? I literally don't know because I don't use Debian for desktop, only for server. But I can start putting git and vim |
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| 23:34.31 | pavlz | if don't like you vim, and if you don't need to configure such special device, you can use GNU/EMACS or NANO |
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| 23:35.53 | brguy | abrotman: Here, created Debian: https://github.com/jeanleonino/linux-checklist/blob/master/debian.md |
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| 23:36.22 | shanemikel | I'm starting to hand-pick desktop components for the first time with linux. I plan on dual-booting fedora+kde5 for general desktop use and debian for lowlatency work for audio. I remember in the past having more issues with debian than other distros (because hardware support takes time to make it to stable), and I'm looking for some help screening hardware for good support |
| 23:36.47 | pavlz | if you don't use GNU/linux Debian, why you are in #debian than in #ubuntu |
| 23:36.50 | shanemikel | actually rt kernel, not lowlatency |
| 23:37.07 | brguy | pavlz: I use, for server, not for my laptop. |
| 23:39.07 | abrotman | brguy: Please, this list isn't helpful |
| 23:39.16 | pavlz | Free GNU/linux distributions https://gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html and Explaining Why We Don't Endorse Other Systems https://gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
| 23:39.53 | brguy | abrotman: thanks for your help :) I am just asking to add, not that it is already useful, but ok. :) |
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| 23:40.07 | pavlz | if you think that i use windows or mac os x, you are in wrong |
| 23:40.16 | pavlz | i use GNU/linux |
| 23:40.26 | shanemikel | brguy: what is the point of that? so you can remember what tools you use? most package names are the same between debian and ubuntu.. also, If you can't remember what tools you use, are you sure you use them |
| 23:40.28 | shanemikel | ? |
| 23:41.03 | brguy | shanemikel: the point is when you have a fresh new linux install you may forget something to install, it's a general list to help with it |
| 23:41.12 | abrotman | brguy: Debian has an installation manual, it tells people how to install packages after the first installatoin |
| 23:41.15 | brguy | shanemikel: I usually format my machine, so I crated this as a "checklist" of what to do |
| 23:41.23 | pavlz | i started reading the first issues in 1998, and in 2000 i started to buy the GNU/linu distribution from Debian |
| 23:41.40 | brguy | abrotman: true, but it's for more stuff, for example, development frameworks that don't come as default. |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | brguy: Furthermore, Debian has a wiki for such things. Your "things to install" will differ vastly from every other person |
| 23:41.56 | brguy | brguy: or how to make your vim works fine |
| 23:42.02 | abrotman | brguy: Really? Why does anyone need a development framework? |
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| 23:42.06 | brguy | abrotman: not OS related things |
| 23:42.14 | brguy | abrotman: well, some people need Ruby on Rails, for example |
| 23:42.18 | abrotman | brguy: Perhaps they need a webserver? or a Desktop Envrionment |
| 23:42.19 | brguy | if you work with it, like me |
| 23:42.22 | abrotman | brguy: apt-cache search ruby rails |
| 23:42.45 | shanemikel | how is a list of packages to install a framework? also, on most wikis for well documented software, they'll tell you the packages you need to install from various distros |
| 23:42.50 | brguy | abrotman: yeah... no, ever heard of rbenv, if you are a rails developer usually you don't go with apt-get standard :) |
| 23:42.54 | brguy | you want a version manager |
| 23:43.01 | brguy | same with node, lots of people use nvm |
| 23:43.08 | brguy | and sometimes, specially on debian, it's tricky to install |
| 23:43.11 | brguy | hence why the list came up |
| 23:43.18 | abrotman | let's try ... |
| 23:43.28 | pavlz | than i used many different ones distributions and in 2008 i tested GNU/linux gNewSense based on Ubuntu, after i migrated to GNU/linux gNewSense 3.1 based on Debian |
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| 23:43.57 | brguy | abrotman: it's more for the tweaks than the OS itself |
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| 23:44.27 | abrotman | brguy: then install Debian, and fill out your document |
| 23:44.37 | shanemikel | does jessie have out-of-box support for haswell refresh, and intel iris graphics by now? also, is there a list of supported audio cards, lan and wlan cards? |
| 23:44.42 | pavlz | i left windows in 2000 after 4 long years hopelessness |
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| 23:45.09 | brguy | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 23:46.02 | pavlz | then i migrated to mac 9.0.4 arriving to mac os 9.2.2 and after to mac os x, mac os x a shit that i never seen before |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | brguy: we can't answer the things oyu'll put in there. I wouldn't be installing Ruby things. But I might instal unbound .. see the problem? |
| 23:46.13 | pavlz | better mac os classic |
| 23:46.28 | abrotman | brguy: if you can't find what you want with apt-cache search or aptitude search, it would be better for you to submit patches for the descriptions |
| 23:46.43 | brguy | abrotman: yeah, I see, thanks :) |
| 23:47.01 | pavlz | anyway coming back from mac os and mac o x were necessary 5 long years |
| 23:47.21 | pavlz | and now i am a satisfied GNU/linux user |
| 23:47.30 | abrotman | pavlz: OSX was awful :) |
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| 23:48.19 | pavlz | i don't understand why i must to give my money to a corporation, which is rich, when i can give the money to the developers who develop the software |
| 23:48.35 | pavlz | apple has not developed nothing |
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| 23:49.18 | pavlz | the operating system BSD 4.4 was developed in to the California Berkeley University |
| 23:49.23 | SynrG | #debian-offtopic for this, perhaps? |
| 23:49.30 | shanemikel | yeah, pleas |
| 23:49.34 | shanemikel | *please |
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| 23:50.11 | pavlz | the microkernel Mach was developed in to the Carnegie Mellon University with the support of the developers of Rochester University |
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| 23:51.06 | pavlz | and when the project of Microkernel Mach stopped to the version 3.0, the Utah University continued to develop it till the version 4.0 |
| 23:51.38 | pavlz | apple computer cupertino inc uses the microkernel mach version 3.0 |
| 23:52.05 | shanemikel | I think the wiki bot is malfunctioning... |
| 23:52.34 | freakyy | hi all i have a problem. Im sshing to my server using cygwin (also happens with putty though), screen seems to "eat" or not do, bells. it works over ssh if im not in screen but as soon as im in screen no bell happens. can anyone help me with that? |
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| 23:52.50 | at0m | shanemikel: what part? |
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| 23:53.14 | shanemikel | no I was joking about pavlz's monologue |
| 23:53.20 | pavlz | so i say: don't pay nothing to apple computer cupertino.inc and provide to install your own: GNU/linux; NetBSD; OpenBSD on macintosh, better if you don't buy apple computers |
| 23:53.29 | pavlz | buy a common computer |
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| 23:53.55 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 23:54.05 | pavlz | it cost less and you got the same performance |
| 23:54.07 | SynrG | pavlz: ok, the polite approach didn't work. please. take it to #debian-offtopic. |
| 23:54.16 | SynrG | pavlz: last warning |
| 23:54.34 | pavlz | sometimes apple on its computers uses: sony Lcd on samsung Lcd |
| 23:54.47 | pavlz | ok |
| 23:55.13 | pavlz | on==or |
| 23:55.38 | shanemikel | freakyy: I think that has to do with what terminal your vt is emulating? i'm not sure what windows terminal emulates, but there may be preferences in putty for choosing a terminal to emulate (but it may not respond to bell codes) |
| 23:55.47 | woshty | I am trying to rebuild asunder from stretch in jessie .. seems to be unable to download source package with apt-get source asunder or apt-get -t stretch source asunder .. first gets version from stable, second E: Can not find version '2.8-2' of package 'asunder' |
| 23:56.03 | woshty | Any ideas? |
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| 23:57.11 | freakyy | shanemikel: thanks it suddenly works again. ir eally did nothing and now it works. i cant believe it |
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| 23:57.32 | shanemikel | freakyy: go figure |
| 23:57.49 | pavlz | i don't remember the name of that package which decode text in speech and record it in *.ogg, *.flac,..... |
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| 23:58.18 | SynrG | woshty: you added a deb-src line for stretch, and then did 'apt-get update'? |
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| 23:59.21 | woshty | SynrG: yep |
| 23:59.55 | woshty | SynrG: nope :) |
