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| 00:00.39 | rolly | abrotman: so if I have 2 wireless devices then how do I know which is which? look up in the udev rules to see which associated with which driver? |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | rolly: dmesg should show you |
| 00:01.07 | rolly | abrotman: one wireless is built-in an another will be a usb dongle |
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| 00:02.37 | jair | Brigo: alright trying one more time |
| 00:02.45 | jair | using zcat this time |
| 00:02.50 | Brigo | jair, good luck :) |
| 00:03.27 | jair | so if that does not work then I will have to ask the owner of the file to upload it again on their end or I should try to download it again? |
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| 00:04.34 | jair | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/161644 |
| 00:04.46 | Brigo | jair, i have not any more clues. |
| 00:05.03 | crepple | Is this the main debian channel or the one on oftc? |
| 00:05.08 | jair | Brigo: alright I will send this to the owner... thank you |
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| 00:05.40 | Brigo | jair, try it again with cat, not zcat |
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| 00:05.54 | a5i | Im pretty sure |
| 00:06.08 | a5i | I fucked something up with installing and uninstalling nginx |
| 00:06.22 | Brigo | crepple, the oftc' should be the official one, but there is more people here :) |
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| 00:07.36 | a5i | I thought I purged nginx, but saw its config files I deleted that, which then screwed everything up |
| 00:07.40 | a5i | anyway to fix ? |
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| 00:07.59 | crepple | Brigo That's what I noticed - And what puzzled me. |
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| 00:08.46 | Brigo | crepple, freenode is more popular than oftc :) |
| 00:09.17 | Brigo | a5i, do you mind to restore the default config files? |
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| 00:09.29 | a5i | Brigo. yes |
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| 00:10.26 | Brigo | !confmiss |
| 00:10.26 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 00:10.49 | temhaa | hello |
| 00:10.59 | temhaa | Can I ask about nagios? |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | you can, but note there's also a #nagios |
| 00:11.23 | Brigo | temhaa, there is a nagios channel right here in freenode |
| 00:11.32 | abrotman | temhaa: and given you're running RHEL, this isn't the right channel |
| 00:12.25 | a5i | Brigo: That apprently didnt work |
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| 00:12.50 | temhaa | Brigo: abrotman I know there is nagios channel in freenode. But I asked before time not look to me any people |
| 00:13.31 | abrotman | temhaa: This still isn't the right place |
| 00:13.44 | temhaa | as a result nagios is a system monitoring tool and debian system admins knows this tool |
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| 00:14.54 | temhaa | abrotman: Ok. sorry . I will not ask.:( |
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| 00:21.28 | iNs | Ìû |
| 00:22.01 | a5i | sigh :( |
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| 00:25.18 | justinX | hi! isn't the package system made to prevent broken dependencies? |
| 00:25.21 | justinX | if I remove package "wireless-regdb" a package that "crda" depends on, instead of telling it also have to remove "crda" (as synaptic normally do in cases like this), it just marks crda package as "broken"... isn't that a bit strange? |
| 00:26.05 | acz32 | any ideas on what steps to take if my clock is 1 hour ahead but tzdata shows me in the correct time zone? |
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| 00:26.53 | justinX | acz32: maybe you have "daylight saving" time already :-D |
| 00:27.30 | acz32 | if it was related to daylight savings it should be an hour behind, not ahead |
| 00:27.48 | justinX | wish the world would stop with the changing clock twice every year... |
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| 00:29.01 | justinX | acz32: hmm yeah true. unless it have changed to daylightsavings time for you, already, but shouldn't have? |
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| 00:29.58 | justinX | some bug in the timezone database perhaps... where is this? |
| 00:32.00 | acz32 | i don't know how i would fix it |
| 00:32.23 | acz32 | and the time is correct on one of my debian systems but not the other |
| 00:32.29 | acz32 | so probably not a bug |
| 00:32.53 | BoteMan | acz32: Perhaps the underlying BIOS changed the hardware clock time in addition to debian changing the displayed offset? |
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| 00:33.51 | acz32 | i guess that's possible |
| 00:34.00 | acz32 | so i should check bios |
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| 00:41.07 | nigerSLAVEgg | ./msg dpkg |
| 00:41.08 | nigerSLAVEgg | looool |
| 00:41.13 | nigerSLAVEgg | nice nick |
| 00:41.51 | a5i | How Di I reintalled config files of nginx ? |
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| 00:42.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell a5i about confnew |
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| 00:43.58 | nigerSLAVEgg | can dpkg say me something, too? :D |
| 00:43.58 | a5i | abrotman: Its not working :/ |
| 00:44.22 | a5i | When I so service nginx start |
| 00:44.27 | a5i | it says config file not found |
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| 00:45.36 | abrotman | nigerSLAVEgg: Try ##chat |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | a5i: which package did you try this with? |
| 00:45.50 | cafuego | dpkg: tell nigerSLAVEgg -about help |
| 00:45.52 | justinX | a5i: there is no info somewhere about where the config file is supposed to be? |
| 00:46.12 | a5i | error is |
| 00:46.12 | a5i | awk: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/nginx/nginx.conf' for reading (No such file or directory) |
| 00:46.18 | a5i | abrotman: nginx |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | wrong package |
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| 00:47.00 | rolly | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.33 | a5i | what package was I supposed to get? |
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| 01:06.18 | master | popcorn? |
| 01:07.58 | rolly | where is "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/" ? |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | rolly: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | rolly: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:09.01 | rolly | abrotman: trying to make sense of it |
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| 01:10.02 | rolly | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.35 | rolly | linux is a classic case of you get what you pay for |
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| 01:11.56 | abrotman | rolly: I thought it would be wlan0 ? |
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| 01:12.22 | themill | rolly: what do you expect ifquery to tell you? |
| 01:12.25 | abrotman | rolly: in your /etc/network/interfaces, at the bottom of the file, "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" |
| 01:12.36 | ThreeByEight | Is anyone here familiar with the Nettle package? I'm trying to update it by building from source, however, I'm getting an error upon compiling a project that depends upon it. |
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| 01:12.59 | rolly | themill: all it can |
| 01:13.11 | themill | try adding a -v to your answer... |
| 01:13.26 | ThreeByEight | Actually the project compiles but when I try to run the executable file, I receive something like "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.28: undefined symbol: nettle_secp_224r1" |
| 01:13.44 | rolly | abrotman: "iface lo inet loopback" is all |
| 01:14.04 | themill | rolly: so ifquery is quite correct in its output |
| 01:14.28 | rolly | i'm talking to you through wlan1 |
| 01:14.51 | themill | rolly: ifquery is not the tool you are looking for. what do you expect ifquery to tell you? |
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| 01:16.37 | maazu | is wayland better than X11? |
| 01:17.02 | a5i | abrotman: What pkg was I suposed to get? |
| 01:17.06 | ThreeByEight | It's lacking a lot of features currently, I think. |
| 01:17.31 | maazu | ThreeByEight: which desktop currently use wayland? |
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| 01:18.04 | ThreeByEight | I'm pretty sure GNOME 3 has support for it. I don't know about any others. Google "wayland kde" or something like that. |
| 01:18.29 | maazu | ThreeByEight: thank you |
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| 01:19.27 | abrotman | a5i: probablg nginx-common |
| 01:19.31 | rolly | linux no longer makes sense, i dunno what world it's creators live |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | its |
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| 01:20.42 | a5i | abrotman: No luck :( |
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| 01:21.21 | ThreeByEight | Guys, how do I figure out which library is currently in use? Let's say I'm trying to figure out which nettle library is being used, what's the command or commands? |
| 01:22.00 | maazu | usually the help message will give a verbose description of the app including the version # |
| 01:22.03 | abrotman | a5i: Use a pastebin to show us |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | ThreeByEight: in use by what? |
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| 01:22.24 | a5i | abrotman, the output? |
| 01:22.32 | maazu | ThreeByEight: app & library should be in sync |
| 01:22.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell a5i about confmiss |
| 01:22.53 | ThreeByEight | abrotman, in use by the system. I have a bunch of nettle files that are causing some sort of problem. |
| 01:24.05 | a5i | abrotman: thank you |
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| 01:26.59 | ThreeByEight | What is the command to make the system point to a different shared library? |
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| 01:27.35 | maazu | ThreeByEight: dont want to do that |
| 01:28.00 | maazu | ThreeByEight: usually the pkg manager updates app & library to keep them in sync |
| 01:28.10 | maazu | ThreeByEight: what you going to do will break things |
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| 01:28.21 | ThreeByEight | The problem is that I had to build a package for some needed functionality |
| 01:28.26 | ThreeByEight | From source. |
| 01:28.48 | maazu | ThreeByEight: then ./configure --prefix=$HOME; make; make install |
| 01:29.42 | maazu | ThreeByEight: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/lib:. |
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| 01:30.38 | a5i | @nginx |
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| 01:32.36 | ThreeByEight | Thanks maazu. Worked perfectly. |
| 01:32.47 | maazu | ThreeByEight: you are welcome :> |
| 01:33.08 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 01:34.09 | rolly | so if wlan1 is not in /etc/network/interfaces how come it's up? |
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| 01:34.47 | themill | rolly: if you're logged in through something like gnome, then you've quite possible configured it though the graphical network-manager |
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| 01:36.42 | rolly | themill: yes . dunno why i've been for so long tald to deal with /etc/network/interfaces then |
| 01:38.13 | justinX | anyone know when synaptic package manager makes a package broken (because I removed packages it depends on), instead of force a removal of the package? |
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| 01:38.31 | rolly | where are the nm ifupdown scripts? |
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| 01:40.42 | rolly | where is this ifupdown script? |
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| 01:45.20 | rolly | is it this /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown ? |
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| 01:51.35 | rolly | does anybody here have a clue how a wireless interface is set up in debian? what script? where does it get mac from? |
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| 01:59.45 | BoteMan | rolly: I can't help your specific issue, but I've been setting up a laptop w/debian and read that udev scans the hardware and sets up devices asynchronously, so one boot it might be wlan0 another boot it might be wlan1. Google should turn up the same site I found the other day describing that whole mess. |
| 02:00.57 | themill | rolly: you need to actually ask questions that have answers. At the moment, each question feels like you're asking "What colour is Tuesday?". |
| 02:01.01 | rolly | BoteMan: what site is it? |
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| 02:01.28 | BoteMan | rolly: Google it. |
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| 02:01.54 | themill | that's not actually true in any case -- we have persistent interface naming and have done so for many years |
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| 02:05.42 | rolly | unfortunately it's not unusual for this process to reach absurd level when in order to to receive an answer to a question the question must be so precise that the answer must be known in advance to compose the question. that's especially frequent on the irc |
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| 02:05.58 | SpeakerToMeat | Hi. |
| 02:06.29 | SpeakerToMeat | On jessie, how can I regain my... dock? the bar area where I can get icons for certain "hidden" running apps to interact with them |
| 02:06.47 | SpeakerToMeat | tray |
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| 02:07.19 | themill | rolly: sure, but it's even more common that people have followed their nose through so many misconceptions and wrong assumptions that they are asking questions about things entirely unrelated to what they are actually trying to achieve. Your questions about ifupdown sound like that as were your questions about /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 02:07.24 | dvs | rolly: Then why are you asking how Debian makes a MAC address for a wifi card? |
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| 02:08.08 | abrotman | SpeakerToMeat: in Gnome? XFCE? KDE? |
| 02:08.12 | rolly | dvs: hpe dies last |
| 02:08.19 | rolly | s/hpe/hope |
| 02:08.20 | SpeakerToMeat | abrotman: gnome, 3.14 |
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| 02:09.07 | rolly | themill: wlan is an interface |
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| 02:10.06 | abrotman | SpeakerToMeat: you tried hitting the Windows key? |
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| 02:11.39 | SpeakerToMeat | abrotman: It's the same as usign the top left corner hotspot, no tray in any of the three areas visible (launches on left, time and other info on top, virtual desktops on right). |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | SpeakerToMeat: hate to say .. tried logging out/in? |
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| 02:13.02 | SpeakerToMeat | Heh... after what specifically? I've not seen the tray since the upgrade |
| 02:13.13 | rolly | here /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules records and reserves interface names according to http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/73595/wlan-number-assignment , yet I don't have that and the names are reserved |
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| 02:13.54 | themill | rolly: please take a step back and actually the real problem you are trying to solve from the start |
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| 02:14.21 | abrotman | SpeakerToMeat: try as a new user |
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| 02:14.42 | rolly | so are the MACs and interface names taken from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules for setting up interfaces? |
| 02:15.37 | rolly | if they are that would be good enough for me , solves the problem |
| 02:15.37 | themill | rolly: they are for assigning names to devices |
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| 02:15.56 | rolly | ok getting warmer |
| 02:16.10 | dvs | to what????? |
| 02:16.53 | rolly | themill: what about MAC adresses , recorded in the same file? |
| 02:16.54 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: In some cases (fewer on wifi), mac address can be reassigned, but network interfaces come with a preassigned mac address by the manufacturer (Including the manufacturer's assigned code in the mac) |
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| 02:17.22 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: generally these kinds of configs use the mac address to identify the interface between several on the system, not to assign to anything |
| 02:18.12 | themill | rolly: mac addresses are a property of the hardware |
| 02:18.45 | rolly | SpeakerToMeat: ok, so they look up the mac address in that file and then compare it to the real one burned in the device and name the interface accordingly? |
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| 02:19.01 | SpeakerToMeat | basically, yes |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | rolly: have you told anyone besides me you keep plugging the USB drive into different boxes with different MAC addresses on the wifi adapters? |
| 02:19.07 | themill | other way around |
| 02:19.34 | rolly | abrotman: I said it to the channel |
| 02:19.39 | shad2803 | hi! |
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| 02:19.47 | abrotman | rolly: have you reiterated it? :) |
| 02:20.13 | rolly | abrotman: may be can't recall |
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| 02:21.35 | rolly | now another question, where how is the original mac assigned? where is it obtained from? by what process? |
| 02:21.57 | SpeakerToMeat | abrotman: Oooh, Notification area working has changed from wheezy's gnome era to jessie's new gnome. now it's either super+m or thrust the cusor down to the inferior border to show notification area |
| 02:21.59 | rolly | is it in some file or read off the hardware? |
| 02:22.35 | k_sze[work] | My debian system seems to interprete the system clock in the wrong timezone everytime it boots, and then ntp kicks in and "fixes" it. It makes my syslog really annoying to read. |
| 02:22.41 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: What do you mean? the mac is as you said "burned" on the interface's chips |
| 02:22.48 | abrotman | SpeakerToMeat: oh, I thought you meant the dock to the left .. sorry |
| 02:22.58 | k_sze[work] | Is there a way I can properly fix it? I'm not even dual booting between Windows and Debian. |
| 02:23.11 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: In fact, the first few bytes (I think first 3 gotta check) are assigned to a manufacturer by a consortium |
| 02:23.31 | SpeakerToMeat | k_sze[work]: Do you have windows on that machine too? |
| 02:23.46 | SpeakerToMeat | k_sze[work]: Sorry i didn't read your second mention, I see you don't |
| 02:23.49 | rolly | SpeakerToMeat: and how the process that associates the mac with interface name finds out the mac ( yes it's the first 3 bytes belong to the manufacturer) |
| 02:24.03 | SpeakerToMeat | k_sze[work]: Is this an old machine? It could be your RTC battery is dead |
| 02:24.16 | k_sze[work] | SpeakerToMeat: no, it's a new machine. |
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| 02:24.41 | rolly | SpeakerToMeat: is it udev? |
| 02:24.55 | themill | rolly: [13:18] <themill> rolly: mac addresses are a property of the hardware |
| 02:25.18 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: I think he wants to know who/what process read the interface's mac address and added it to the config file |
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| 02:25.44 | themill | SpeakerToMeat: no, I think rolly is still under the impression that udev assigns the mac address |
| 02:25.45 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: That is, which was the program responsible of "stabilizing" his interface's names |
| 02:26.22 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: No, I think he has a file with a mac adress probably read during install to create a stable iface naming and wants to know what process did it |
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| 02:26.46 | rolly | themill: no, I wanna know how is the mac address obtained for assignment to the inteface. It can be reassigned afterwards, why not the first time? |
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| 02:27.23 | themill | the mac address is not assigned to the interface |
| 02:27.28 | rolly | themill: knowing how the first mac is obtained would allow to replace it the first time , wouldn't it? |
| 02:27.34 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: The way you're expressing yourself it seems like you're saying right now the interface gets the address from the system, when it does not |
| 02:27.52 | themill | quite. |
| 02:28.13 | themill | which is why we've been going around in circles for some hours now |
| 02:28.29 | rolly | SpeakerToMeat: that's what I've been led to belive since nobody says where it comes from. If not from the system is it in a file? |
| 02:28.50 | dvs | .... |
| 02:28.53 | rolly | If the original MAC is stored in a file what file is it? |
| 02:29.01 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: it is in a bloody CHIP, INTEGRATED CIRCUIT, LITTLE BLACK THING WITH WIRES inside THE CARD physically |
| 02:29.08 | dvs | rolly: [13:18] <themill> rolly: mac addresses are a property of the hardware |
| 02:29.21 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: The original MAC was put there by a very very large machine in the factory where your card was made |
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| 02:30.11 | rolly | SpeakerToMeat: if macchanger and ifconfig can change inteface mac after the burned-n mac has been assigned why not change it the first time? |
| 02:30.38 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: Because people don't want to cause systems to fail willy nilly. |
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| 02:31.00 | themill | macchanger and ifconfig can't change the mac address a lot of time |
| 02:31.05 | rolly | oh, no changing mac causes no failure here |
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| 02:31.50 | rolly | SpeakerToMeat: it's the objective in fact, i'm surprised it's not been apparent |
| 02:32.00 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: because a) the first bytes identify a vendor b) the mac address identifies the interface uniquely. One of the few reasons to change it is to impersonate somebody else, wich is not common, and two of the possible outcomes of setting your own is a) not being able to identify a device in the network, b) have a colission where two cards have the same address, and they can't network, or you can bri |
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| 02:32.06 | SpeakerToMeat | ng a whole network down with it. |
| 02:32.25 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: That's why some cards, and MANY wireless cards do not ALLOW you to change the mac address |
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| 02:32.54 | rolly | SpeakerToMeat: no such problem here, like I said it's the objective rather than a threat |
| 02:33.27 | k_sze[work] | I get the feeling that time value is stored as local time in the system clock on my machine, and then the OS applies *extra* timezone adjustment to it when it boots up. I don't even know why or how that's happening. |
| 02:33.32 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: If you "need" to change your wifi's card's address to break into a third party's network, you would need to specifically choose and buy a card with a chipset that allows that |
| 02:33.57 | rolly | I just wanted to know how the original mac associated with interface is obtained the first time the interface is brought up |
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| 02:34.13 | themill | rolly: how about you take a step back and ask your real question. |
| 02:34.24 | SpeakerToMeat | k_sze[work]: The mechanism that determines wether to store the date during shutdown as localtime or gmt should be the same that determines what to read it as during boot, so it'd be very hard (I don't like to say impossible) that they'd both interpret it differently |
| 02:34.26 | k_sze[work] | Like, I'm in UTC+8, so when I boot the machine at 9:50 local time in the morning, I see 17:50 in the syslog. |
| 02:34.28 | themill | I think we've covered all the other peripheral unrelated questions by now... |
| 02:34.48 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: It's just queried. Part of the driver's responsibilities is tell the OS what's the device's mac address if the os asks |
| 02:35.31 | SpeakerToMeat | k_sze[work]: It sounds like that's what's happening, which is odd. And it's why we all ask if you dualboot, as windows and linux tend to differ in wether to store the date to the rtc as localtime or gmt/utc |
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| 02:36.29 | rolly | themill: the original question would be how to prevent leaking the real mac before it;s changed via ifconfig or macchanger, so to do that I need to know how the process that brings interface up obtains the mac the first time it brings interface up, where from? from kernel ( if so how ) or from some file? |
| 02:36.29 | k_sze[work] | SpeakerToMeat: yes, I would expect Linux to use the same mechanism to store and read the system clock, which is why this is all very odd. |
| 02:36.46 | themill | rolly: no, step back from that question please |
| 02:36.52 | themill | !xy problem |
| 02:36.52 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to do proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 02:37.02 | SpeakerToMeat | rolly: Easy, you just rip the chip off your motherboard and the interface stops working. that's all |
| 02:37.25 | rolly | themill: if i step back any further i'm afraid i'll fall off the edge into a rabbit hole |
| 02:38.00 | themill | rolly: why do you want to change the mac? |
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| 02:38.09 | SpeakerToMeat | k_sze[work]: these mechanisms have changed a fw times, and I've not set it up in a while so I can't tell you what it is right now... I'd take a look at the source of the correct (would have to check which one) init script you're using for date to check for some problems with the code or mechanism... |
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| 02:38.28 | themill | rolly: feel free to make this process as hard as possible for all of us. |
| 02:38.33 | BoteMan | rolly: you say that like it's a bad thing! |
| 02:38.34 | rolly | themill: that's not a technical question, and nor an answer, but rather a philosophical one |
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| 02:38.54 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: He wants to spoof a device to hack wireless networks without being found out |
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| 02:39.02 | themill | rolly: well you've had your question answered |
| 02:39.46 | themill | SpeakerToMeat: I don't think it's actually as exciting as that, but if rolly can't actually tell us why he's trying to do things we can't help |
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| 02:40.21 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: Btw the wireless card shouldn't really try to connect to any AP before the system can process a mac change if the card allows it anyhow |
| 02:40.38 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: But, I think he's also trying to get his erroneous notions validated at all costs. |
| 02:40.42 | themill | SpeakerToMeat: sure. I don't think the mac is actually relevant to any of this though |
| 02:40.58 | SpeakerToMeat | k_sze[work]: So, sorry I can't help but I'd look inside the init.d process involved with date setting |
| 02:41.36 | SpeakerToMeat | themill: I think we should let him set his mac to a broadcast address and have fun |
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| 02:45.10 | SpeakerToMeat | See you all, thanks for your help abrotman |
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| 02:46.21 | k_sze[work] | ok, so I have the UTC option in /etc/adjtime |
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| 02:46.52 | k_sze[work] | but `hwclock -r` applies extra timezone adjustment. |
| 02:47.34 | k_sze[work] | It's showing "Tuesday, March 17, 2015 PM06:47:04 HKT -0.313140 seconds" which is crazy, as it's really 10:47 in the morning here. |
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| 02:52.37 | dvs | k_sze[work]: So use "hwclock -s" to set the right time. |
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| 02:53.26 | k_sze[work] | dvs: but I already have ntpd setting the time for me. |
| 02:53.51 | dvs | k_sze[work]: ntpd does not make large adjustments, only little ones. |
| 02:55.14 | might | how to do a MIMT |
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| 03:04.08 | k_sze[work] | Does the hardware clock and the OS keep track of time separately once the system is booted? |
| 03:04.27 | dvs | yes |
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| 03:05.19 | k_sze[work] | And ntp will update both OS clock and hardware clock, right? |
| 03:05.22 | BoteMan | k_sze[work]: It might be helpful if you set the hardware clock (perhaps using the BIOS setup utility) to UTC and let Debian calculate the offset to display the time however you wish. |
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| 03:06.07 | dvs | k_sze[work]: No, ntp set the OS clock and the shutdown process sets the hardware clock |
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| 03:25.39 | Scramblejams | There is a short-running command on my system. It's invoked periodically by another program. I'd like to see its command line arguments when it is run. However, it finishes its work in a handful of milliseconds so I can't reliably see it with ps. Is there some way to capture that information? It's like I need tail -f for ps... |
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| 03:28.04 | k_sze[work] | BoteMan: You mean there might be an option in the BIOS that determines whether the hardware clock should be in UTC? |
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| 03:28.37 | BoteMan | I do. You should investigate it, there might be a setting to enforce Daylight Saving Time which could also be something to disable. |
| 03:28.51 | k_sze[work] | I don't think I have such an option. |
| 03:29.04 | master | I used the netinstall iso for i386, and am reading the reference docs-- it is making alot of reference to midnight commander however mc is not a binary on this system. should it be? |
| 03:29.04 | BoteMan | k_sze[work]: Actually, just set it to UTC regardless of any additional TZ notation in BIOS. |
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| 03:29.24 | BoteMan | Then you have confidence that it won't change and only Debian will apply an offset. |
| 03:29.27 | master | I'm just making sure it didn't miss stuff during the install. |
| 03:29.40 | k_sze[work] | At the moment, with the OS already booted, it seems that the hardware clock is storing localtime. and `hwclock -r` reads it wrong. |
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| 03:30.11 | BoteMan | k_sze[work]: Is it a bare metal system or virtual machine? |
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| 03:30.41 | k_sze[work] | BoteMan: bare metal |
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| 03:31.12 | BoteMan | k_sze[work]: Then to be sure you really ought to use the BIOS setup utility to examine the clock settings thoroughly. Be certain, no doubt. |
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| 03:32.13 | master | test |
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| 03:35.23 | master | jeez |
| 03:35.34 | master | can someone please give me the result of `which mc` |
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| 03:38.43 | master | 1600 people in channel and its deader than a doorknob |
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| 03:40.56 | master | dpkg, test |
| 03:40.56 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 03:44.20 | ginger_cookie | which mc results in nothing |
| 03:44.25 | master | thanks! |
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| 03:45.28 | k_sze[work] | Hold on, so if the machine has not gone through the normal shutdown or reboot process (e.g. power loss), then the hardware clock doesn't get updated at all, right? |
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| 03:45.46 | BoteMan | k_sze[work]: Right. |
| 03:46.05 | BoteMan | The o.s. reads the hwclock at boot and writes the system clock to the hardware clock at shutdown time. |
| 03:46.19 | k_sze[work] | Then I think I know why the hardware clock is still wrong. |
| 03:46.23 | BoteMan | ntp keeps the system clock synched other times. |
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| 03:49.33 | k_sze[work] | My machine has been experiencing power loss every night since I installed ntpd. |
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| 03:49.46 | k_sze[work] | so the hardware clock never got updated to UTC time. |
| 03:49.58 | BoteMan | k_sze[work]: Ummmm...you mean you DON'T have a u.p.s. powering your machine??!! |
| 03:50.37 | k_sze[work] | BoteMan: nope. We have decided that UPS cause more problems than they solve (i.e. they fail exactly when you need them.) |
| 03:50.55 | BoteMan | Yeah, that seems like it's been working real well for you. |
| 03:51.35 | master | lol |
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| 04:13.11 | keestu | hi all, why the debian packages are associated with the 'zero' always exampe: libopusfile0 libogg0 ?? |
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| 04:27.49 | themill | !soname |
| 04:27.49 | dpkg | soname is probably a version number by shared libraries used to refer to the binary compatibility of a shared library's api. when the api changes in such a way as to potentially require code changes by clients of the library, the soname changes. also see the Debian Shared Library Packagin guide: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#sonameapiabi |
| 04:29.02 | themill | keestu: ^^ library packages include the soname in the package name to make transitions from version to the next easier. 0 as a sover normally means "isn't really versions properly" |
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| 04:38.05 | kalin00b | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/back-dead-simple-bash-complex-ddos |
| 04:38.14 | kalin00b | too cool, not even a complicated script at all |
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| 04:40.29 | keestu | themill, thanks for reply. bit confused. i think i should read before so library versoning. |
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| 04:47.22 | themill | keestu: if you're not doing development in C you probably don't really want to learn more about library versioning |
| 04:47.45 | keestu | themill, i am doing c development. :) |
| 04:47.47 | themill | keestu: you can just take it as a number that increments when incompatible changes are made that require recompilation |
| 04:47.49 | themill | heh |
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| 04:49.00 | keestu | themill, what i know is this : there is a library name which is generic say xyz.so which can be linked with different versioning libraries say xyz.so.1 , xyz.so.2 |
| 04:49.48 | keestu | themill, so, if higher version is installed, say xys.so.3, then xyz.so points to xyz.so.3 , am i right ? |
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| 04:51.45 | keestu | let me take example of libogg0:i386 , i see the library libogg.so.0 and libogg.so.0.8.1, here is where i got confused. ? |
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| 04:52.10 | themill | when you compile, the linker is explicit about the library that is used (so .so.2 not 1 or 3); The unversioned link is only used at compile time and not at runtime. |
| 04:52.19 | keestu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:53.04 | themill | and you'll see that libogg-dev contains the .so without any sover (or rather, it contains the symlink) |
| 04:54.22 | themill | The sover is a compatibility promise that anything that was compiled against .so.1.2 will still work if the library is changed to .so.1.3 which is why the .so.1 link can move like tat |
| 04:55.01 | keestu | themill, ok. i checked in libogg-dev:amd64 and it has a file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libogg.so which is a link to libogg.so.0.8.1 |
| 04:55.09 | themill | yep |
| 04:55.25 | themill | If the library changes in an incompatible fashion, then you bump that sover and so .so.2 is now born and you'd need to recompile things against the new version |
| 04:56.19 | themill | In the world of linux distributions, incompatible changes like that are a pain and create quite a lot of work... but at least C library authors actually track their source and ABI compatibility unlike ruby, java, php, python, .... |
| 04:56.21 | themill | !transition |
| 04:56.21 | dpkg | A transition occurs when changes in a package require alterations to several other packages which depend on it. To do this, many packages using the package are updated, either being recompiled or updated to a new version; packages blocking a transition might be removed from <testing> so it can complete. Transitions can become very large and complex, involving tens or even hundreds of packages. http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 04:56.26 | keestu | themill, let me read your comments again. :). |
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| 04:59.43 | keestu | themill , from your comment "The unversioned link is only used at compile time and not at runtime.", if i relate with the library what i have taken for a example , then it is libogg.so ? |
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| 05:00.14 | themill | yes, there's no sover in that name and that is just a symlink |
| 05:00.43 | keestu | themill, when you say sover is it extension " .0", ".1" ? |
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| 05:00.59 | themill | it's the 0 or 1 part (the . is a separator in there( |
| 05:01.00 | themill | ) |
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| 05:02.33 | keestu | themill, Ok. i thought dev package has its own library. |
| 05:03.18 | themill | sometimes it has the static version of the library (.a) that people might compile against, but no, it wouldn't contain an extra copy of the library, just a symlink |
| 05:03.21 | keestu | so, dev package has unversioned file [xyz.so ] which will be linked with the latest library. |
| 05:04.07 | keestu | reading again themill's valuable comments from beginning |
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| 05:13.03 | keestu | themill, i have looked at this : libaspell15 -> has library names libspell.so.15 libattica0.4:amd64 has library names libattica.so.0.4, |
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| 05:13.36 | keestu | themill, so, as you mentioned <package><Number> has a respective library name <package>.so.<Number> :) |
| 05:15.33 | keestu | themill, now let me see what is the special meaning associated with '0'. |
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| 05:20.54 | themill | keestu: I assume not everything uses that magic 0 but it's reasonably common to use 0 to mean "messy" |
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| 05:33.04 | keestu | themill, "The sover is a compatibility promise that anything that was compiled against .so.1.2 will still work if the library is changed to .so.1.3 which is why the .so.1 link can move like tat".. that means the devel .so file will have somewhere which library to link at run time ? |
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| 06:16.25 | k_sze[work] | Is there a particular command line tools that can show me the instant and/or aggregate traffic from a particular remote IP? |
| 06:17.19 | k_sze[work] | I mean, if my machine is 192.168.0.1 and I want to see how much traffic there is between this machine and 192.168.0.2 |
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| 06:19.36 | k_sze[work] | I know there is 'ntop', but that requires a web browser to view. |
| 06:19.44 | kalin00b | tcpdump |
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| 06:35.12 | dhcpee | hello |
| 06:35.26 | dhcpee | i have found xfce in wheezy boring. any suggestions? i dont think it works with kwin and compiz. |
| 06:35.41 | dhcpee | xfce default manager offers no flexible window frames and no 3d effects no cube no nothing. |
| 06:35.44 | dhcpee | just bland junk |
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| 06:38.40 | k_sze[work] | kalin00b: how about iftop? |
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| 06:47.45 | dhcpee | hm |
| 06:48.13 | dhcpee | xfce is pure shit |
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| 07:07.04 | k_sze[work] | Weird. Why is it that, when doing `iftop -nNbp -i eth0 -F 172.25.11.0/255.255.255.0`, I don't see traffic between this machine (172.25.11.3) and certain machines in the same subnet, connected to the same switch? |
| 07:07.40 | k_sze[work] | But as soon as I remove the `-F 172.25.11.0/255.255.255.0` part, they show up (along with other traffic not in the subnet). |
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| 07:20.17 | adc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.20 | adc | sorry! |
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| 07:20.47 | valdyn | k_sze[work]: the manpage sais that iftop will show in- and outflow to/from the given network. Thats not what youre trying to do. |
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| 07:21.34 | k_sze[work] | valdyn: well, I'm really only interested in the traffic *within* the subnet. |
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| 07:21.47 | valdyn | k_sze[work]: so read the manpage |
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| 07:24.18 | rhizome | should i need to do anything when i upgrade and replace one nvidia card with a newer one? |
| 07:24.44 | valdyn | rhizome: not if both work with the same driver |
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| 07:24.50 | rhizome | i'm having some really weird system stuff going on and it's the biggest change in the last week |
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| 07:25.54 | rhizome | i'm pretty sure they both use the same driver, but i should actually check |
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| 07:30.35 | rhizome | well well. nvidia-detect says "Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version up to 304.125." |
| 07:30.57 | rhizome | does that mean i should use the one direct from nv? |
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| 07:32.05 | k_sze[work] | valdyn: so I have to use filter codes? (but I can't seem to find any documentation about filter codes) |
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| 08:11.14 | dhcpee | listen |
| 08:11.15 | dhcpee | whos here |
| 08:11.26 | dhcpee | wake up #debian |
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| 08:14.03 | armin | Setting up mysql-server-5.5 (5.5.42-1) ... |
| 08:14.06 | armin | logger: error while loading shared libraries: libsystemd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:14.08 | armin | well |
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| 08:14.46 | dhcpee | lol |
| 08:14.48 | dhcpee | guy joins for 5 seconds |
| 08:14.50 | dhcpee | posts the problem |
| 08:14.55 | dhcpee | says well like he demands an answer |
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| 08:15.00 | dhcpee | lol |
| 08:15.25 | dhcpee | hilarious |
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| 08:46.16 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 09:36.52 | nexus6__ | how can i save the ssh output of a command and also display it in the ssh session? command > logfile doesnt give me the output in the console |
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| 09:38.34 | adc | nexus6__: not debian specific, but `echo 'hi' | tee output.txt` |
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| 09:38.54 | nexus6__ | adc thank you alot |
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| 09:40.42 | nexus6__ | adc, funny , the ssh output is pretty "delayed" now. is that "intended"? |
| 09:41.16 | adc | nexus6__: no |
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| 10:06.04 | phre4k | nexus6__: what's your exact command? |
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| 10:08.55 | nexus6__ | phre4k, python name.py | tee log.txt |
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| 10:09.53 | phre4k | nexus6__: should work... |
| 10:10.22 | nexus6__ | phre4k, its just visual delayed output. the code works as usual (i see the results in the database) |
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| 10:12.54 | phre4k | nexus6__: hm, sorry, no guess :/ |
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| 10:14.18 | Iridos | nexus6__, that is line buffering |
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| 10:15.49 | Iridos | nexus6__, that's a whole topic to read on for some hours in itself |
| 10:15.59 | Iridos | maybe we have a factoid |
| 10:16.01 | Iridos | dpkg, line buffering |
| 10:16.01 | dpkg | Iridos: are you using Windows? |
| 10:16.03 | Iridos | dpkg, line buffer |
| 10:16.47 | Iridos | seems not... maybe I'll write one |
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| 10:17.55 | Iridos | I guess I should... there's all kinds of things to influence/change line buffering and I forgot them |
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| 10:20.37 | Iridos | nexus6__, try stdbuf -o L ssh whatever |tee bla ... there's also unbuffer in the expect-dev package... but expect is an evil hack |
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| 10:21.06 | Iridos | or if that doesn't work stdbuf -o 0 .... |
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| 10:24.57 | Guest95526 | Hey all, so entering a screen in a putty session from windows and maximizing my putty window for some reason causes screen to cut off somewhere in the middle of my maximized window, I know this is probably the most wrongest place to ask this but unfortunately I only have the means of using windows atm, with that being said does anyone perhaps know of how to extend the screen size to be the full size of the maximized window? than |
| 10:25.26 | Vroomfondel | Guest95526: how did you re-attach the screen? using -x or -r? |
| 10:25.34 | Guest95526 | screen -Rx |
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| 10:26.29 | Vroomfondel | Guest95526: if you don't need to view the screen in two places at once, omit the 'x'. The 'x' will cause screen to restrict the window size to fit the smallest attached terminal. |
| 10:26.36 | fraff | Guest95526: have you tried "reset" ? (I don't know if it'll work) |
| 10:27.21 | nexus6__ | Iridos, thank you |
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| 10:28.35 | Guest95526 | ah, -r did the trick :), thanks @Vroomfondel appreciated |
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| 10:32.00 | newbieAlert | hey what is the way to sequentially assign files LBA ?? |
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| 10:38.29 | izrail_ | hey guys |
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| 10:40.26 | izrail_ | i'm trying to setup freeradius in debian wheezy |
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| 10:42.02 | izrail_ | we're using a novell edirectory backend, and in the freeradius configuration file, there is a line mentioning that this will only work if freeradius was built with the --with-edir option |
| 10:42.26 | izrail_ | is there a way to check whether the freeradius package from wheezy-backports was built with this option? |
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| 10:44.35 | fraff | izrail_: I would apt-get source freeradius and check debian/rules but there must be an easier way |
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| 10:49.55 | izrail_ | fraff, thx, i'll try this |
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| 10:53.14 | Alien__ | hola |
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| 10:55.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does the second stage of debootstrap initialize ssh keys if ssh is included? |
| 10:56.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | hopes it doesn't |
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| 10:57.39 | Alien__ | hi |
| 10:57.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi, Alien__. |
| 10:57.53 | spele | o/ |
| 10:57.59 | Alien__ | hi eduard |
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| 11:02.12 | spele | Great timing. I'm trying to figure out how to get my macbook to sleep ¬.¬ |
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| 11:07.47 | BotaniCar | Hi, is there a cookbook for installing libre/open office for use on headless debian 7 server ? |
| 11:07.52 | adc | spele: Yes, that should work. You may want to tweak /etc/acpi/lid.sh to your liking. Make sure /usr/sbin/pm-suspend, /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate and /usr/sbin/pm-suspend-hybrid work. This requires a swap partition or a swap file |
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| 11:08.11 | BotaniCar | is it enough to install "libreoffice-common" and run it with "--headless" ? |
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| 11:08.35 | spele | adc thanks |
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| 11:10.19 | brontosaurusrex | BotaniCar: you wanna use it as converter or something? |
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| 11:11.02 | adc | spele: also I made sure pm-suspend and pm-suspend-hybrid (the ones I use) didn't require a password when invoked by my user (e.g. username ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/pm-suspend in visudo). I'm running Debian Jessie and i3, btw |
| 11:11.04 | BotaniCar | brontosaurusrex: owncloud needs it to present documents it holds, via web page |
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| 11:11.43 | spele | thanks, I'm on i3 too, but the gaps fork |
| 11:11.44 | brontosaurusrex | BotaniCar: so why do you need to run it? |
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| 11:13.51 | BotaniCar | brontosaurusrex: my initial question was for a instruction how to deploy *office and enable it to function it in headless mode. My other question is loosely related, if i need to change owncloud's configuration in part where it calls office. |
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| 11:17.18 | brontosaurusrex | BotaniCar: ok, sorry, i dont remember any special conf. needed for owncloud to function like that. |
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| 11:28.33 | fraff | can somebody tell me in which package is the "net" command ? |
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| 11:30.20 | fraff | ha, got it: samba-common-bin |
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| 11:30.24 | V155 | how do i get the $SSH_AUTH_SOCK variable set by gnome-keyring in debian? |
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| 11:33.34 | fraff | V155: export $(gnome-keyring-daemon) |
| 11:33.43 | fraff | in your .bashrc for exemple |
| 11:33.59 | fraff | erf, non, in your .xinitrc |
| 11:34.56 | V155 | fraff: nice thanks! |
| 11:35.03 | V155 | will put it in .xsessionrc |
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| 11:51.25 | V155 | fraff: when using startx instead of lightdm network-manager does not find an Agent. Do you got an idea why? |
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| 11:57.52 | mwarning | ok, I get "ALSA error: snd_pcm_open failed: No such file or directory" |
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| 11:58.50 | nkuttler | mwarning: when doing what? |
| 11:58.51 | mwarning | I tried a lot of stuff already, is there a step to step guide on how to fix the sound configuration? |
| 11:59.01 | mwarning | nkuttler, I started audacious |
| 11:59.23 | mwarning | I tried to open an mp3 file |
| 11:59.28 | nkuttler | mwarning: sounds like it tries to use a soundcard that doesn't exist |
| 11:59.41 | nkuttler | mwarning: paste.debian.net aplay -l |
| 12:00.22 | mwarning | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/161696/ |
| 12:00.26 | daniel-s | Hi there. Is there a problem with the testing kernel and the iso9660 filesystem? |
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| 12:00.40 | daniel-s | I can't mount DVDs with that filesystem. |
| 12:00.44 | daniel-s | It says bad fs. |
| 12:01.31 | daniel-s | root@dan-asus:/media# mount -t isofs /dev/dvd tmp |
| 12:01.31 | daniel-s | mount: unknown filesystem type 'isofs' |
| 12:01.40 | nkuttler | mwarning: ls -ld /run/user/1000/; ls -l /run/user/1000; whoami |
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| 12:02.22 | mwarning | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/161697/ |
| 12:02.23 | nkuttler | daniel-s: isn't that -t iso9660 ? |
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| 12:02.52 | daniel-s | root@dan-asus:/media# mount -t iso9660 /dev/dvd tmp |
| 12:02.53 | nkuttler | mwarning: that's... strange |
| 12:02.53 | daniel-s | mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 12:03.04 | nkuttler | daniel-s: interesting.. |
| 12:03.09 | mwarning | nkuttler, oh well :> |
| 12:03.23 | nkuttler | mwarning: obviously you should own the files.. but i don't know enough about pa to help with that |
| 12:04.09 | mwarning | what is pa? |
| 12:04.14 | nkuttler | mwarning: pulseaudio |
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| 12:04.18 | mwarning | ah, ok |
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| 12:04.37 | nkuttler | mwarning: you may have started it as root, but i don't see why pa would write to that dir then.. |
| 12:04.58 | mwarning | nkuttler, is there something I could try? |
| 12:05.14 | mwarning | so far the only option seem to a complete reinstall |
| 12:05.19 | mwarning | *to be |
| 12:05.23 | nkuttler | mwarning: chown the files to you? |
| 12:05.32 | nkuttler | mwarning: check any running pulse processes, if some are owned by root i guess |
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| 12:06.37 | daniel-s | root@dan-asus:/media# modprobe isofs |
| 12:06.39 | daniel-s | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'isofs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 12:06.43 | daniel-s | The isofs module is missing. |
| 12:06.48 | daniel-s | I figure it should be there. |
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| 12:07.09 | nkuttler | daniel-s: sounds like it is, but is buggy. #debian-next @ oftc |
| 12:07.28 | nkuttler | daniel-s: and show them the relevant dmesg output |
| 12:07.37 | mwarning | reboots |
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| 12:09.11 | themill | daniel-s: have you installed a new kernel and not rebooted? |
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| 12:09.49 | daniel-s | I think I just updated. |
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| 12:10.03 | daniel-s | themill: perhaps |
| 12:10.10 | themill | !reboot required |
| 12:10.10 | dpkg | If you've upgraded your kernel package you need to reboot to start running the new kernel. Unless the <kernel abi> has changed, uname -r doesn't tell you whether this is needed or not, instead compare /proc/version to the package version: if ! grep -q $(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)) /proc/version; then echo "Reboot required"; fi |
| 12:10.37 | themill | heh |
| 12:11.13 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 12:14.19 | fUNKIAM` | hi all |
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| 12:15.12 | daniel-s | Hey, thanks. Restarting fixed everything. |
| 12:15.39 | themill | great :) |
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| 12:23.58 | naptastic | I'm running Jessie, which provides libgcrypt20. Chrome wants libgcrypt11. If I install the older version, will I break anything? Crypto functions are kind of important. :P |
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| 12:25.37 | strehi_ | hi guys... I have problems with the script xen-create-image |
| 12:25.49 | strehi_ | http://pastebin.com/tPrLzfn6 |
| 12:26.22 | strehi_ | that is the outpud... And this is the log file http://pastebin.com/99wLhu10 |
| 12:26.49 | strehi_ | I use lenny debian and an older version of xen-tools |
| 12:27.02 | strehi_ | googled as hell but didn't find the answer |
| 12:28.58 | naptastic | strehi_, /tmp/pX1Yg_MdLb/etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub: No such file or directory |
| 12:29.07 | naptastic | Do you know what's supposed to be generating that file? |
| 12:29.21 | naptastic | (Given that it's the host ID file, it should not already exist.) |
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| 12:31.05 | strehi_ | naptastic: not really.... |
| 12:31.13 | fraff | V155: in doubt, use .xinitrc |
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| 12:33.04 | V155 | im using. but the network-manager daemon seems to expect something else |
| 12:33.42 | themill | dbus most likely |
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| 12:34.52 | naptastic | strehi_, Maybe it expects you to, or maybe it's unable to run ssh-keygen for whatever reason. Have you asked in the Xen channel? |
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| 12:36.19 | V155 | hm. so i perhaps need to find out what lightdm does what startx does not. |
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| 12:38.03 | themill | or just use the dm |
| 12:38.34 | V155 | yeah. thats also possible |
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| 12:39.42 | strehi_ | Yeah I've asked on the xen channel... THey didn't even try to help me |
| 12:39.53 | strehi_ | they have forwarded me here =) |
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| 12:48.32 | strehi_ | with the --verbose option |
| 12:48.32 | strehi_ | http://pastebin.com/dZdgDW6c |
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| 13:00.47 | t4nk050 | hi there. I'm trying to install jessie. I get an error with the cd-rom on the first steps of install. my CDRom seems to be dead. is there a way to ignore it through install ? |
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| 13:02.07 | dfgas | anyone able to install teamviewer on jessie? |
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| 13:06.52 | maziar | how to send 20 ICMP packet in 1 second ? |
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| 13:10.05 | ne0h|nihilist | maziar: try hping3 -i u20000 |
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| 13:11.03 | ne0h|nihilist | maziar: sorry, also --icmp |
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| 13:11.30 | t4nk050 | hi there. I'm trying to install jessie with DVD1 on USB (netbootin). Install process cannot *detect* my CD-rom unit, which is dead. is there a way to ignore CDrom and proceed to install ? thx |
| 13:12.12 | themill | don't use unetbootin |
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| 13:15.10 | t4nk050 | themill, how do I do then ?N |
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| 13:15.32 | ne0h|nihilist | maziar: full command, try something like this: hping3 -c 20 --icmp -i u20000 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:15.33 | t4nk050 | (i only have USB) |
| 13:16.32 | themill | t4nk050: as described in the install manual or in the CD FAQ. You only need to copy the image over the usb device, not mangle it as unetbootin does |
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| 13:17.56 | t4nk050 | themill : okay, i'll try this. ty |
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| 13:24.03 | maziar__ | how to send 20 DNS query packet in 1 second ? |
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| 13:25.14 | CissWit | maziar__: for(i=0; i<20; i++) send_dns_query_packet(); |
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| 13:26.24 | maziar__ | CissWit, it will send i 1 second ? |
| 13:27.58 | CissWit | maziar__: most probably yes |
| 13:28.09 | CissWit | what exactly are you trying to achieve ? Your question is pretty weird |
| 13:28.26 | maziar__ | what is send_dns_query_packet(); |
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| 13:28.50 | CissWit | a yet to define function that send a dns query packet |
| 13:28.55 | CissWit | *not yet defined* |
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| 13:39.42 | rdb | If I'm making a package for a project "foobar" that contains a whole bunch of libraries that are intended to be used together (rather than just one libfoobar library), should the package be called "foobar1.9" or "libfoobar1.9"? |
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| 13:40.52 | RoyK | rdb: guess it'd be better to have 'foobar' depend on those other libs instead of including them :P |
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| 13:41.23 | rdb | RoyK, well, there are maybe 14 individual libraries and it doesn't make sense to install only a subset of them. |
| 13:41.58 | rdb | So they really belong together in the same package. |
| 13:42.07 | RoyK | rdb: if these libs exist in other packages, then use dependencies |
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| 13:42.27 | rdb | They don't. All these libraries are part of the foobar project. |
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| 13:43.02 | RoyK | then I guess it'd be best to put the libs in package libfoobar and the executables etc in package foobar |
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| 13:43.42 | rdb | Okay, that's what I wondered about - whether it was OK to call it "libfoobar1.9" even though there's not one library named libfoobar1.9. |
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| 13:43.48 | rdb | I suppose that answers my question. Thanks. |
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| 13:53.23 | Iridos | rdb, seems to me custom ist to use libfoobar for the libraries if they can be used independently and split off the foobar program in a separate package. I guess you find the full answer at https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html |
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| 13:54.46 | Iridos | specially the 3rd paragraph in 8.1 |
| 13:55.22 | rdb | Yeah, I saw that, but it doesn't seem to mandate a naming for that; particularly whether the "lib" prefix is necessary in that case. |
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| 13:56.06 | Iridos | rdb, you may want to ask that in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:32.24 | menace | there's a possibility to have a sources.list in $HOME and let apt-* use that for downloading deb-packages? |
| 14:32.33 | menace | i think, there is one, but i forgot it |
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| 14:38.06 | Brigo | menace, not in debian, afaik |
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| 14:40.13 | pipl | menace: yes |
| 14:41.33 | pipl | menace: there are options in apt to choose the sources.list as I have done that before. |
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| 14:42.39 | pipl | menace: look at the Dir::Etc in apt.conf manpage. |
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| 14:43.25 | menace | thanks! |
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| 14:44.01 | fUNKIAM` | /etc/apt |
| 14:44.40 | pipl | menace: glad to help. |
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| 14:50.43 | Deiwsots | hi, someone know if is possible to make to work "Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller Video" at debian 7.0 wheezy? I've installed wheezy but I can't to make 3D GLX to work. |
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| 14:51.27 | towo^work | Deiwsots, why not install jessie? |
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| 14:52.20 | bumbar_ | (why) is it bad to open stdout and stderr as same file? |
| 14:52.56 | Deiwsots | so dude I've installed but it still have some bug that bring problems to me |
| 14:53.04 | Deiwsots | towo^work: so dude I've installed but it still have some bug that bring problems to me |
| 14:53.41 | towo^work | Deiwsots, what? |
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| 14:54.25 | towo^work | Deiwsots, you would need newer DRM, X, mesa and kernel for propper support haswell |
| 14:54.43 | towo^work | wheezy does not ship that, even through backports |
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| 14:55.30 | Deiwsots | towo^work: :( |
| 14:56.16 | Deiwsots | towo^work: I feared this answer |
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| 14:56.31 | towo^work | i don't see the problem in using jessie |
| 14:58.46 | Deiwsots | dolphin still have some problems, for example: Dolphin hangs when I'm make copying a lot of files between my disks |
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| 14:59.52 | Deiwsots | or when I'm change to hdmi external monitor |
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| 15:11.48 | gnat_x | hi folks. does anyone know where hplip ends up storing its ppd files? |
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| 15:12.56 | gnat_x | i'm trying to script printer set up for the office, so i set up hplip on my machine; hp-setup creates a printer, however it is not in my cups printer list, and i don't want all the users to need to use hplip. |
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| 15:13.11 | pipl | gnat_x: check the contents of those deb or tar pkgs related to hplip |
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| 15:14.28 | Deiwsots | gnat_x: dpkg -L hplip |
| 15:15.16 | Rovanion | Is there a way to aggressively cache a nfs share on a local drive? Imagine you got a Debian server with the users home folders on it, the clients then mount these over nfs to /home/userid. Now the clients themselves are fitted with SSD:s, so accessing application data is magnitudes faster than accessing user data. I've read some bits here and there about CacheFS, but found mostly Solaris manuals on the topic. |
| 15:15.18 | Rovanion | Perhaps there is something more modern? We really don't want to delay the login while all the user data is rsynced to the client either. |
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| 15:15.58 | Deiwsots | you also can see that here "https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/hplip/filelist" |
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| 15:19.16 | gnat_x | hrm. so it does get added to CUPS, but I still can't find the downloaded ppd. it seems hplip does that on the fly. |
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| 15:19.31 | gnat_x | but find isn't finding that file name anywhere on the system. |
| 15:20.24 | jhutchins | gnat_x: find /etc/ -name "*.ppd" |
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| 15:21.41 | gnat_x | jhutchins: thanks |
| 15:22.03 | gnat_x | looks at his earlier find commands to see why they didn't show that... |
| 15:22.04 | jhutchins | gnat_x: Did it work? |
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| 15:23.00 | lukas` | Hi all, I search for some way how to have an X session on a remote debian host which could persist my log outs. Is there anything like that? |
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| 15:23.54 | nkuttler | lukas`: what's your goal? keep x apps running after you disconnect? |
| 15:24.25 | lukas` | nkuttler: yes and also to be able to connecte to them again |
| 15:24.40 | nkuttler | lukas`: you might be able to run vnc from xvfb.. or look into xnest maybe |
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| 15:25.40 | lukas` | nkuttler: so start xnest on the remote host and connect to it via X client? |
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| 15:26.33 | nkuttler | hm, no, doesn't look like you want xnest. |
| 15:26.59 | nkuttler | i've had xvfb running on a server for a while, but never tried to run anything persistent in it. don't see why it wouldn't work though |
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| 15:28.48 | lukas` | nkuttler: I know Xvfb but that is only for faking X app afaik |
| 15:28.53 | gnat_x | jhutchins: yeah. |
| 15:29.17 | gnat_x | jhutchins: well at least there's a ppd there, have not tested the script yet. |
| 15:29.28 | lukas` | I though I had a solution using x11vnc but that afaik requires me to be already logged in the X session |
| 15:29.31 | nkuttler | lukas`: it's an x server that somehow emulates graphics hardware |
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| 15:34.24 | gnat_x | lukas`: depending on your need look in to xpra |
| 15:35.15 | gnat_x | lukas`: it is more useful for individual applications, but totally handy. i use it to run my web browsing on virtual machines. |
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| 15:35.39 | gnat_x | but in the past have used it for privilege separation on a single host. |
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| 15:37.10 | lukas` | gnat_x, nkuttler thanks all, it seems that x11vnc does the job I need with -reopen switch |
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| 15:38.11 | lukas` | gnat_x: xpra looks nice ... is that a client or a server? |
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| 15:44.54 | lukas` | I see, thanks for that app |
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| 15:51.02 | shay_shay | hay |
| 15:51.51 | roleo | On Wheezy, kernel 3.10.17. I have a wireless device that supports AP mode, but not Monitor mode. In trying to use it as an access point, hostapd fails with complaint about the nl80211 driver not getting a mon-mode interface; however, the nl80211 documentation says that the mon-mode, dual-interface method is no longer used. I've brought my libnl-3 packages all the way up to unstable (3.2.24-2) to no effect. Is there something more I'm m |
| 15:52.03 | Kingsy | is terra terminal emulator available in the repos? |
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| 15:52.12 | Kingsy | or is there a .deb anywhere? |
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| 15:53.08 | shay_shay | terra emulator? |
| 15:53.22 | topi` | I want to setup a custom repository where I have some basic deb packages (from debian) for the barebones bootable image, plus my own custom set of packages (custom binaries). how should I setup a repository? |
| 15:53.28 | roleo | Kingsy: it looks like the developer of that software provides a debian repo you can use. https://github.com/ozcanesen/terra-terminal |
| 15:54.02 | topi` | I understand that debian/main contains all the GPL-compliant packages and debian/nonfree contains non-GPL-compliant packages, maybe I just create my own "customstuff" section? |
| 15:54.10 | topi` | I can easily clone debian/main with reprepro |
| 15:54.26 | petn-randall | roleo: Your message got cut off after 'Is there something more I'm m'. |
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| 15:54.50 | roleo | petn-randall: Not much was lost. Is there something more I'm missing? |
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| 15:55.35 | petn-randall | roleo: Does the wifi device work in client mode? Could be that you're missing firmware. |
| 15:56.42 | shay_shay | Kingsy: you can compile debian compatible .debs from PPA. https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/terra-drop-down-terminal-emulator-with.html |
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| 16:02.46 | roleo | petn-randall: is client mode the same as managed mode? I've got a number of modes I can put it in with iwconfig. |
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| 16:06.11 | petn-randall | roleo: Can you actually connect /to/ an AP with this wifi device? |
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| 16:07.16 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 16:07.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 16:07.42 | petn-randall | roleo: Btw, kernel 3.10 is not in wheezy. Do you know where you got it from? |
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| 16:19.57 | roleo | petn-randall: I'll admit I haven't got an AP to connect to for testing, however I can bring the interface up in managed mode, tell it to associate to a non-existent AP, and send DHCP broadcasts. I suspect it's working. |
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| 16:33.20 | petn-randall | roleo: Which device is this? |
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| 16:34.46 | roleo | petn-randall: chipset is BCM43340, device itself is an intel edison. |
| 16:36.13 | petn-randall | roleo: Do you know where your kernel is from? |
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| 16:39.03 | roleo | petn-randall: Two answers: 1, Ubilinux latest, and 2) I found another device to put into AP mode, and was able to get an IP from it and get access, so that works. |
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| 16:40.07 | petn-randall | !ubilinux |
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| 16:40.32 | saisiddhant | is raspberry pi a MIPS hardware? |
| 16:40.33 | roleo | The chipset/driver doesn't support monitor mode, but hostapd is trying to use the "old" mode ("one interface running in master mode for a standard traffic and another one for authentication, keys management, etc.") described in https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/documentation/hostapd |
| 16:41.01 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 16:41.02 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:41.42 | petn-randall | roleo: If it was a Debian machine I'd say you probably need the b43-fwcutter to extract firmware for that chipset to make it work. But I don't know if you distribution provides that. |
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| 16:42.47 | trewas | saisiddhant: no, ARM (and very old ARM for the first ones) |
| 16:43.38 | roleo | petn-randall: Yep, I figured it would come to that. I tried to make sure it wasn't distribution-dependent before I came here. I'll take a look at what driver the distro provides. |
| 16:44.23 | roleo | saisiddhant: Nope, it's ARM. |
| 16:44.24 | petn-randall | roleo: I'm pretty sure current hostapd doesn't create a monitor interface to run in AP mode, I've got such a setup at home (I'm currently at work). |
| 16:44.24 | saisiddhant | trewas: can you share some resources on it? |
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| 16:45.01 | roleo | petn-randall: Ooh, good point. I've tried rolling libnl3 forward, but not hostapd itself. Let's try that! |
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| 16:45.38 | trewas | saisiddhant: millions of them have been sold and google knows almost everything |
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| 16:47.50 | saisiddhant | trewas: Thanks |
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| 16:50.25 | nalp | complete beginner in debian need som assitance appreciate a candite from sweden but can go aswell on english |
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| 16:50.42 | codebam | why cant I get thttpd? its saying not found, but its clearly available. |
| 16:50.48 | desrt | nalp: it works best if you just ask a question |
| 16:51.00 | nalp | need hlp with launching a windowtaskmanger |
| 16:51.14 | petn-randall | !se |
| 16:51.15 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
| 16:51.19 | nalp | just installed debian and when i run starx everything freezes |
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| 16:51.42 | nalp | thx dpkg |
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| 16:52.04 | petn-randall | nalp: That's not the recommended way to run X. Usually you install a login manager that does the X initialization for you. |
| 16:52.12 | petn-randall | nalp: dpkg is a bot, btw. |
| 16:52.16 | nalp | ha k |
| 16:52.25 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 16:52.25 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:52.35 | nalp | was like 10 years or more since i was in irc ;) |
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| 16:53.04 | petn-randall | nalp: No problem, you can only spot bots by going through the turing test ;) |
| 16:53.15 | nalp | ;) |
| 16:53.36 | codebam | so... anyone know why thttpd isnt being found? |
| 16:53.37 | GPenguin | prepares for Turing Test |
| 16:54.12 | jelly | judd: bug rm thttpd |
| 16:54.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/653752 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: thttpd -- RoQA; orphaned, RC-buggy, dead upstream, plenty of alternatives exist»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-12-30; last modified: 2012-01-30. |
| 16:54.19 | nalp | and may i ask how i install the login manager? |
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| 16:54.28 | jelly | codebam: ^^ removed from debian |
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| 16:55.10 | codebam | jelly: hmm... okay. |
| 16:55.31 | Rovanion | nalp: apt-get install gdm |
| 16:55.53 | Rovanion | nalp: gdm is just one display manager though. There are others like lightdm, sddm, kdm. |
| 16:55.55 | petn-randall | nalp: How did you install Debian? Unless you deselected it, it should come with gdm3 and gnome3 installed. |
| 16:56.04 | Vide | hello, whatâs the official (or at least adviced) vlan naming scheme in Debian? ethN.XX or vlanXX ? |
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| 16:56.23 | Vide | Icannot find any doc saying anything clear |
| 16:56.26 | roleo | petn-randall: Hah! That did it! Thanks so much, my friend. Sometimes it's the littlest bit of information that leads to the solution. |
| 16:56.30 | jelly | Vide: eth0.42 works automagically in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:56.37 | petn-randall | roleo: You're welcome :) |
| 16:56.45 | nalp | yeah but i have this issue my debian keeps on telling me that the package doesnt exist |
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| 16:57.00 | nalp | same when i try gnome and so on |
| 16:57.05 | petn-randall | nalp: Can you provide details? |
| 16:57.16 | Vide | jelly: but vlan42 with vlan-raw-device eth0 too |
| 16:57.32 | petn-randall | !tell nalp about details |
| 16:57.35 | Vide | even if you have to write one more line |
| 16:57.42 | jelly | Vide: but then you have to write that vlan-raw-device line, clearly inferior! |
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| 16:57.55 | nalp | just reboot the comp here |
| 16:57.55 | jelly | Vide: also, what if you want to have eth0.42 and eth1.42 |
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| 16:58.44 | Vide | jelly: but looking at ip addr / ifconfig output âvlan42â is more clear ;) |
| 16:58.54 | jelly | Vide: it's not! |
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| 16:59.11 | Vide | jelly: Iâm starting to understand why those 2 methods are implemented |
| 16:59.26 | jelly | Vide: you think there's only two? man vlan-interfaces |
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| 17:00.32 | petn-randall | You think there's only two? MuahahahAHAHAHA! |
| 17:00.33 | Vide | jelly: mmmh I only see the padded one |
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| 17:00.49 | petn-randall | forms a dark chapel with his hands. |
| 17:00.51 | nalp | package gdm not available, but is referred to another package. ( missing , has been obsoleted, or available from other source) however following packages replace it: gnome-control-center-data |
| 17:01.07 | petn-randall | nalp: What command did you type? |
| 17:01.13 | jelly | Vide: pick one of the two padded ones for saint paddy's day |
| 17:01.16 | nalp | apt-get install gdm |
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| 17:01.30 | petn-randall | nalp: The package is called gdm3. |
| 17:01.40 | Vide | jelly: LOL |
| 17:01.45 | Rovanion | nalp: Sorry, my fault. |
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| 17:02.03 | nalp | ahh now something happens ;) |
| 17:02.15 | petn-randall | nalp: You still need a desktop environment, which is why I asked how you installed Debian. |
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| 17:02.34 | nalp | i choosed with desktop |
| 17:02.47 | Vide | jelly: anyway, I wanted to know because I want to implement something in Puppet and I know Iâm gonna have a flame with the ethN.XX camp, cause Iâm more a vlanXX guy :P |
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| 17:03.06 | Vide | and I wanted to have some offical debian doc to cover me |
| 17:03.15 | jelly | Vide: your way is clearly wrong and you must submit |
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| 17:03.35 | Vide | but everywhere I look I just see that the 2 implementations are supported both |
| 17:03.48 | nalp | first time i installed a debian or liux at all i booted the cd in windows then ran a fdisk and choose the desktop verison in the install |
| 17:03.56 | jelly | the preferred one is listed first in the manual! |
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| 17:04.28 | Mahjongg | hello, having problem with update-alternatives... I do this to add an alternative browser... sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/firefox.dev x-www-browser /opt/firefox-dev/firefox 1050 . and it creates a /usr/bin/firefox.dev as expected. sudo update-alternatives --remove x-www-browser /opt/firefox-dev/firefox appears to remove it from x-www-browser but does not delete /usr/bin/firefox.dev . What am I missing? |
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| 17:05.28 | petn-randall | jelly, nalp: big-endian! |
| 17:05.35 | Vide | jelly: Ok, Iâm stubborn, gonna implement it anyway! |
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| 17:06.12 | petn-randall | Woops, I meant: jelly, Vide: big-endian! |
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| 17:07.03 | petn-randall | nalp: Then you still need to install a desktop environment. The more or less most common one is gnome3 (apt-get install gnome3). |
| 17:07.54 | nalp | ok i should run that after the gdm3 is rdy or thats the same thing perhaps? |
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| 17:09.36 | petn-randall | nalp: "apt-get install gnome", sorry. You can run that now and then simply reboot for it to start (or run "/etc/init.d/gdm3 start"). |
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| 17:10.14 | nalp | the comp is stil running the gdm3 |
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| 17:16.58 | nalp | now have another error// im inside gnome now ( Could not update ICEauthority file /home/nalp/.ICEauthority |
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| 17:17.08 | nalp | when i try to login |
| 17:17.19 | bodom | Hi there! I have an aerror "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages" on apt-get dist-upgrade, but no packages held. Is there a procedure to solve this? |
| 17:18.31 | petn-randall | bodom: Can you provide the whole command and full error message you get? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:19.29 | bodom | petn-randall: sorry for wasting your time, after thinking about for half an hour, i have remembered this is an hybrid testing/stable system and that's the cause for my problem. Thank you anyway! |
| 17:20.10 | petn-randall | bodom: Ah, that's indeed not a good setup. It's best if you fully upgrade to jessie then. |
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| 17:23.47 | bodom | petn-randall: I am holding it this way because in few moneths I should be able to uninstall packages from testing and revert back to full stable |
| 17:24.03 | bodom | s/moneths/months/ |
| 17:24.22 | petn-randall | !downgrade |
| 17:24.22 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:24.30 | petn-randall | bodom: What would that achieve? |
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| 17:25.15 | bodom | petn-randall: if you get a stable system and install 3 packages from testing, then when you uninstall them you have a stable system back, in my experience |
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| 17:26.56 | petn-randall | bodom: mixing releases never was supported, and unless it's a leaf package, chances are high it'll break your system in subtle and annoying ways. Are there any reasons you can't use wheezy-backports, or backport it yourself? |
| 17:27.20 | bigMouthCommie | i would REALLY like to fix this gnome issue: it seems to be hijacking my left control key |
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| 17:27.31 | nalp | hm now i another problem now i cant find my users when inside gnome |
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| 17:28.40 | bodom | petn-randall: no real reason, i suppone |
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| 17:30.22 | bigMouthCommie | i doubt it's really helpful but... |
| 17:30.40 | bigMouthCommie | XFilterEvent is running, and does not return false for left control key |
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| 17:30.52 | nalp | is there any simple command just to see all the users on the system? |
| 17:30.54 | bigMouthCommie | what is xfilterevent? idk. should it return false ever? |
| 17:31.08 | nalp | that are stored then i mean |
| 17:31.32 | bigMouthCommie | tab completions for su ? |
| 17:31.39 | bigMouthCommie | nalp |
| 17:31.46 | bigMouthCommie | have you tried tab completing su |
| 17:31.59 | codebam | most other distros have a log console on tty12. how can I enable it |
| 17:32.01 | bigMouthCommie | su <TAB><TAB><TAB> |
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| 17:33.09 | bigMouthCommie | nalp did that help? |
| 17:33.24 | bigMouthCommie | nalp: |
| 17:33.27 | bigMouthCommie | r u alive |
| 17:33.30 | bigMouthCommie | nalp: |
| 17:33.44 | nalp | nah |
| 17:33.50 | nalp | i completly new to this |
| 17:34.01 | bigMouthCommie | ok. open a console |
| 17:34.09 | bigMouthCommie | type next line EXACTLY |
| 17:34.13 | bigMouthCommie | su |
| 17:34.17 | bigMouthCommie | do not hit return (yet) |
| 17:34.40 | bigMouthCommie | instead hit [space][tab][tab] |
| 17:34.47 | bigMouthCommie | did that produce a list of users? |
| 17:34.59 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 17:35.00 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 17:35.23 | BoteMan | nalp: How's abouts |
| 17:35.23 | BoteMan | less /etc/passwd |
| 17:35.28 | nalp | no it didnt |
| 17:35.57 | bigMouthCommie | sry petn-randall |
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| 17:36.28 | nalp | just see some directory's |
| 17:36.45 | bigMouthCommie | anyone have a lead on why my left control key has been hijacked since switching to jessie (from wheezy, running gnome and only happens with gnome and gnome fallback. lxde is fine) |
| 17:37.01 | harajuko | nalp have installed the package bash-completion |
| 17:37.40 | nalp | i have 2 users i know that cause when i try remake em its tells me user already exist but when in gnome i cant find em and i cant login on them when in terminal either |
| 17:38.04 | bigMouthCommie | nalp, are you root? |
| 17:38.07 | nalp | yeah |
| 17:38.18 | bigMouthCommie | passwd <USERNAME> |
| 17:38.22 | bigMouthCommie | change the passwd |
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| 17:39.22 | bigMouthCommie | did THAT help nalp? |
| 17:39.30 | jelly | bigMouthCommie: how in the hell does that help listing users? |
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| 17:40.04 | bigMouthCommie | jelly: he knows the usernames he wants to use, and thinks he has made them, but he can't seem to make the login work. |
| 17:40.18 | jhutchins | ls /home/ |
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| 17:40.35 | bigMouthCommie | jelly: so i suggested changing the pwds and then trying to login. does'nt that seem to follow? |
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| 17:41.26 | jelly | it does, sorry. I've not read a few relevant lines from my log |
| 17:41.28 | BoteMan | You can see every last user account on the system with |
| 17:41.28 | BoteMan | less /etc/passwd |
| 17:41.28 | BoteMan | Surely that would allow him to find out what he wants. |
| 17:42.01 | jhutchins | ls /home shows only users with valid $HOME directories, eliminating system accounts. |
| 17:42.21 | bigMouthCommie | BoteMan: rite. |
| 17:42.44 | bigMouthCommie | butknowing the acc't exists, and being able to use it are a little different. |
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| 17:43.01 | BoteMan | You gotta start somewhere. |
| 17:43.28 | jhutchins | It sounded a bit like he was trying to do system admin through gnome. |
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| 17:44.11 | bigMouthCommie | he seems to know that the acc't exists (gnome won't let him overwrite it) so... i'd just hax the pwd and then i'd pwn it |
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| 17:46.34 | WangDang_ | I've got a box configured to allow root to login at the console. I'd like to change that. I can't remember which package to dpkg-reconfigure so you have to su to root. Any here remember? |
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| 17:47.39 | WangDang_ | I think it used to be dpkg-reconfigure shadow, but shadow is now just part of passwd so that won't work |
| 17:48.00 | bigMouthCommie | this is pretty google-able WangDang_ . i will google it for you. in the meantime, can you figure out why gnome is hijacking my left control key? kthx. back in a minute |
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| 17:48.18 | BoteMan | WangDang_: Just yesterday I was exploring pam that does that and more. |
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| 17:48.49 | WangDang_ | bigMouthCommie: all the results talk about disabling root logins via ssh |
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| 17:49.13 | BoteMan | Try looking under /etc/security/pam or similar. |
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| 17:49.36 | BoteMan | Specifically /etc/security/access.conf and related files. |
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| 17:50.13 | BoteMan | I needed to allow my regular user account to be able to sudo and that's where I allowed it. |
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| 17:50.43 | WangDang_ | BoteMan: I've already looked in /etc/pam.d but didn't see anything there. I'll have a look in the other places you suggest |
| 17:51.06 | jelly | only knows how to disable root via ssh, not console... what's the use case for that? |
| 17:51.20 | BoteMan | WangDang_: It's very extensive and be sure to read all the comments in the file as it appears that you could really open up your system inadvertently if you're not careful. I just found out about it yesterday. |
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| 17:54.38 | WangDang_ | jelly: I'm not a security expert, but I've read it as a suggested hardening tactic. I'm not sure of all the arguments but two that come to mind are that root is a known account and then subject to brute force attempts, and secondly, logins to root via sudo are logged whereas accessing root via the console isn't |
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| 17:55.04 | jelly | WangDang_: brute force attempts on a console? |
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| 17:55.27 | BoteMan | I've heard that there are a few operations that can not be performed via su/sudo that must be performed directly by the logged-in root account. Is this true? |
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| 17:55.37 | BoteMan | Wrong environment or some such. |
| 17:55.40 | abrotman | BoteMan: have an example? |
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| 17:55.52 | BoteMan | Yes, please, I would love an example. I'm asking. |
| 17:56.30 | jelly | [citation needed] |
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| 17:57.24 | WangDang_ | jelly: good point. Like I say, I'm not a security expert. It's just a hardeing technique I've seen suggested. And it's an option (or was at least) during debian installs, so I imagine there must be some value to it |
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| 17:58.42 | jelly | WangDang_: oh, that install option is for leaving root without a valid password and requiring use of sudo (not su) |
| 17:59.27 | WangDang_ | jelly: that's precisely what I'm asking about. Do you know how to go back and change it ? |
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| 18:00.41 | WangDang_ | I normally choose that option when I do my own installs, but I bought a computer with deb preinstalled where they allow root login, I want to change it |
| 18:00.48 | jelly | no, I'd have to look that up |
| 18:01.49 | WangDang_ | I know I can edit the shadow file to repalce the passwd field with a ! or a * but I think there is a cleaner way with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:02.08 | abrotman | BoteMan: there are plenty of people that mess up things like: sudo cat /root/file > /root/newfile |
| 18:02.54 | Mahjongg | Is update-alternatives a Debian feature? |
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| 18:03.14 | BoteMan | I understand that the idea behind using a regular account with sudo is that you're much less dangerous if you don't intentionally prefix sudo on a dangerous command. |
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| 18:05.49 | abrotman | Mahjongg: feature? |
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| 18:06.50 | Mahjongg | abrotman, would you call it a bug? :) |
| 18:07.18 | Mahjongg | I was asking if it is a Linux thing or some other distro thing or a Debian thing |
| 18:07.32 | Mahjongg | Trying to find the correct place to ask a question |
| 18:07.33 | jelly | Mahjongg: it's a Debian thing, but RHEL adopted it as well |
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| 18:07.40 | exobyte | in a dpkg control file, I know I can do "Deoends: foo [i386], bar [amd64]". Is there a way to do "Depends baz [Debian], qux [Ubuntu]"? |
| 18:07.55 | jelly | Mahjongg: unless you're actually running Debian, this is not the correct place |
| 18:08.04 | Mahjongg | Wheezy here |
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| 18:08.08 | Mahjongg | hello, having problem with update-alternatives... I do this to add an alternative browser... sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/firefox.dev x-www-browser /opt/firefox-dev/firefox 1050 . and it creates a /usr/bin/firefox.dev as expected. sudo update-alternatives --remove x-www-browser /opt/firefox-dev/firefox appears to remove it from x-www-browser but does not delete /usr/bin/firefox.dev . What am I missing? |
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| 18:08.13 | master_ | how do you get xrdp to start i3-wm? |
| 18:08.27 | master_ | im using lightdm |
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| 18:08.38 | master_ | i'd even be okay if xrdp started lightdm and went from there |
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| 18:08.56 | abrotman | Mahjongg: hint, look at how the iceweasel package adds itself |
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| 18:09.19 | Mahjongg | abrotman, good idea, thanks... You mean post-install script I guess |
| 18:10.04 | abrotman | Mahjongg: yes |
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| 18:22.47 | BoteMan | Fresh net install of Wheezy on an old Compaq nc6400 laptop w/external VGA port on rear. Boots into Gnome--almost. I see a mouse pointer that I believe is a tiny clock with rounded corners bracketing it. If I log in via ssh and -SIGHUP that tty it slowly presents the normal login dialog. When it boots in character mode the console just goes dark halfway through loading stuff during boot. |
| 18:22.48 | BoteMan | Where to look? |
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| 18:23.49 | BoteMan | Plugging/unplugging rear VGA cable to monitor seems to make character-mode console appear on internal laptop display. I just want to turn off the rear VGA port altogether if possible. |
| 18:24.01 | BoteMan | No means to turn it off in BIOS. |
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| 18:27.48 | Bremsstrahlung | How would I install multiple .deb files at once, such that the dependencies get installed first? |
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| 18:33.31 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: you wouldn't. Simplest thing to do is "dpkg -i *deb", and "apt-get -f install" after that. |
| 18:33.36 | bazhang | ,v aptoncd |
| 18:33.37 | judd | Package: aptoncd on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.1; wheezy: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.2; jessie: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4; sid: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4 |
| 18:33.52 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: In the folder where the deb files are, yes? |
| 18:33.59 | jelly | of course |
| 18:34.02 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, let me try that. |
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| 18:34.49 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: I'm assuming basic knowledge of shell and unix on your part, that doesn't have to be exactly *.deb but dpkg -i file1.deb file2.deb ... |
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| 18:35.38 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah. |
| 18:36.44 | Bremsstrahlung | I just did it with the blob, since there's a ton of these files. |
| 18:37.54 | jelly | glob? |
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| 18:38.54 | Bremsstrahlung | Excellent, latest LibreOffice installed. |
| 18:39.00 | Bremsstrahlung | Thanks, jelly. |
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| 18:39.16 | jelly | don't they have an apt repo? |
| 18:39.20 | Seb-Solon | Hi there, is there a specific channel for alioth.debian.org? I have trouble accessing it . |
| 18:39.42 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: From 2012. lol |
| 18:40.02 | Bremsstrahlung | I actually opened it today on my computer, which I had installed before, and it looked ancient. |
| 18:40.09 | jelly | ,v libreoffice |
| 18:40.10 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2; sid: 1:4.3.3-2; experimental: 1:4.4.2~rc1-1 |
| 18:40.13 | Bremsstrahlung | So I looked around, and it was LibreOffice 3. |
| 18:40.17 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah, exactly. |
| 18:40.20 | Bremsstrahlung | 4.4 is out. |
| 18:40.30 | jelly | there's 4.3.3 in wheezy-backports |
| 18:40.50 | Bremsstrahlung | Well, I got the latest stable straight from LibreOffice themselves, now. |
| 18:40.51 | Bremsstrahlung | :-) |
| 18:41.15 | jelly | their packages were of suboptimal quality last time I tried them (4.0) |
| 18:41.41 | bazhang | stable with them may not mean stable with debain |
| 18:42.03 | Bremsstrahlung | That's true. |
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| 18:42.22 | bazhang | you might want arch if its the newest of the new for packages |
| 18:42.33 | jelly | eyes bazhang |
| 18:42.44 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah, the thing with Arch is that it doesn't coddle you. |
| 18:42.51 | Bremsstrahlung | I tried the installer. Dumps you straight at a terminal. |
| 18:42.55 | bazhang | whats the shiny new stuff factoid jelly |
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| 18:43.01 | jelly | !sns |
| 18:43.02 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 18:43.08 | bazhang | hehe |
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| 18:43.36 | Bremsstrahlung | Well, it depends, if you actually need the newer featues for something, then getting specific new software may be justified. |
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| 18:44.24 | bazhang | have everything backed up to the minute at all times then |
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| 18:44.42 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah. |
| 18:44.57 | Bremsstrahlung | I guess stability does come at a cost. |
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| 18:53.30 | lyonsb | ie: "I'm on debian wheezy and want to run the brand new Steam client on Linux, circa 2012 or 2013ish" |
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| 18:58.28 | Deiwsots | lyonsb: you should upgrade to jessie. steam doesn't work correctly at wheezy |
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| 19:01.08 | ryouma | is there a plausible way to sandbox proprietary flash on either wheezy or jessie for a radio site that requires it? e.g. virtualbox, iceweasel, proprietary flash. |
| 19:01.29 | ryouma | or run on another account at least, and still not have leakage with x |
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| 19:03.31 | lyonsb | I am on Jessie, steam works fine, there was an earlier discussion about !sns and reasons to use backports, stable software etc. |
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| 19:04.23 | Linnak | hi, i have a 32 bit debian in virtualbox, and i've just installed a 64 bit as well. it took more days to install all the application on the 32 bit. is there a proper way to automate that i will have the same applications on the freshly installed 64bit as well? |
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| 19:05.20 | Brigo | Linnak, you should install the same related packages and copy the configuration. |
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| 19:05.42 | Linnak | apt cache is cleared. how can i do that? |
| 19:05.43 | apt | ...but cache is already something else... |
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| 19:06.54 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:07.06 | Brigo | Linnak, list the package installed in x32 with dpkg -l and select the ones you want in amd64 |
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| 19:08.04 | teraflops | ryouma: isn't there sandbox addons for firefox/iceweasel? |
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| 19:08.32 | Linnak | ok. one more question there is only one repo that I added to 32 bit (which is multimedia) but as I saw it only for 32 bit. it says for 64 bit it's multiarch. what does that mean? |
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| 19:09.26 | Brigo | Linnak, with a 64 bits kernel you can run 32 bits programs too. |
| 19:09.39 | Linnak | right |
| 19:09.40 | Brigo | you can get advantage of it using multiarch |
| 19:09.44 | Brigo | !multiarch |
| 19:09.45 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 19:10.04 | Linnak | i see now thanks |
| 19:10.12 | ryouma | teraflops: no idea. you can really make proprietary flash trustworthy that way? |
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| 19:11.11 | teraflops | ryouma: i dont think it is trustable at all but if sandboxed properly it does not hurt |
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| 19:12.13 | teraflops | ryouma: also chromium is better for that purpose I think |
| 19:12.45 | teraflops | ryouma: yes there are a couple of addons for firefox |
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| 19:13.10 | teraflops | ryouma: also firejail is good |
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| 19:17.23 | oo_miguel | how can I search (and possibly extract) mails from a set of mbox files, using some search criteria (sender, date, etc) ? |
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| 19:21.11 | dondelelcaro | oo_miguel: notmuch is what I use to do that |
| 19:22.06 | oo_miguel | dondelelcaro: oh and it seems to ship with a mutt interface. Ill definitely have a look at it, thank you very much |
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| 19:25.08 | oo_miguel | dondelelcaro: ah however it does not support the mbox format :P |
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| 19:26.23 | dondelelcaro | oo_miguel: yes, but it's pretty trivial to dump mbox out into maildir |
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| 19:27.38 | oo_miguel | dondelelcaro: I just found mboxgrep ,maybe this will be sufficient for my purpose |
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| 19:39.23 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. What do I have to add to my sources.list to make sure the Shockwave Flash plugin is always up to date? My current sources.list is http://paste.debian.net/161770/ |
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| 19:40.41 | valdyn | Lady_Aleena: cant do that, debian does only ship a downloader, not flash itself |
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| 19:41.55 | Lady_Aleena | My current Shockwave Flash plugin is 11.2.202.411; the current Shockwave Flash plugin is 11.2.202.451. |
| 19:42.28 | Lady_Aleena | valdyn, So I'm stuck? |
| 19:42.32 | valdyn | Lady_Aleena: run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" |
| 19:42.52 | Lady_Aleena | valdyn, do I need sudo? |
| 19:43.01 | valdyn | Lady_Aleena: yes |
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| 19:44.53 | Lady_Aleena | valdyn, thanks! |
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| 19:46.11 | master | how would I check the testing archive to see if it has a version of xrdp that has XKB support? |
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| 19:48.31 | ryouma | teraflops: how would you accomplish my task? firejail? (thanks for introducing me to it. does it work with latest iceweasel in the mozilla repo for wheezy?) |
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| 19:49.09 | ryouma | all i want to do is play internet radio without having to trust anything proprietary (and preferably not even non-debian packages) |
| 19:49.45 | teraflops | ryouma: ill use firejail yes, but for the second part I do not use debian as desktop machine so I couldnt say. |
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| 19:50.32 | ryouma | i will see if firejail will meet my needs. i was hoping not to have to trust /it/ but i'd prefer to trust it than trust proprietary flash. |
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| 19:51.27 | teraflops | ryouma: https://l3net.wordpress.com/projects/firejail/ |
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| 19:53.30 | ryouma | does that take care of x also? i.e. i can create another account, use firejail with iceweasel, use proprietary flash with that, and go to the radio site, and control it via x? |
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| 19:54.44 | ryouma | i have heard that any program using the same x server can snoop |
| 19:55.27 | teraflops | ryouma: it takes care of X |
| 19:55.37 | ryouma | awesome |
| 19:55.40 | teraflops | i mean it is sandboxed |
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| 19:56.02 | ryouma | so all i have to do is trust firejail and figure out how to use it, maybe |
| 19:56.14 | illy | hi, i had this prob before but forgot how i fixed it |
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| 19:56.18 | illy | broken packages |
| 19:56.21 | illy | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:56.21 | illy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.21 | illy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.21 | illy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.21 | illy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.29 | teraflops | ryouma: chromium does he same without any 3rd part app also IE11 does |
| 19:56.30 | illy | oeps |
| 19:56.33 | teraflops | the* |
| 19:56.44 | master | anyone? how would I browse the testing archive to see if it has a version of the xrdp package with XKB support? |
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| 19:58.00 | ryouma | teraflops: you mean merely running chromium with proprietary flash would prevent both flash itself (i.e. the binary) or flash apps from snooping on my passwords and such? /me is skeptical :) |
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| 19:58.35 | illy | http://drylelite.biz/pastebin.txt |
| 19:58.38 | illy | i have broken packages |
| 19:58.42 | illy | how do i fix it again pls? |
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| 20:00.12 | master | dpkg, archives |
| 20:00.12 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:00.16 | BoteMan | ryouma: I have a really far-fetched idea, but if you're that concerned about security it *MIGHT* be possible to set up an Icecast server to grab the Flash radio stream and you could listen to that relay. But I don't know if Icecast or something else could listen to a Flash stream readily. |
| 20:00.23 | ryouma | illy: are you using aptitude? does it provide choices? |
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| 20:00.56 | illy | yeah it does give me something :P |
| 20:01.15 | illy | but when i do Y it says nothing will be installed |
| 20:02.09 | ryouma | BoteMan: not understanding exactly what it does from a (very) quick google. is the idea that i would run it as a daemon or something? i still need the web player controls. |
| 20:02.38 | BoteMan | ryouma: Well, it was a far-fetched idea and would require you to do a LOT of things to make it work. |
| 20:02.40 | knosys | Hi guys. I have a keyboard with function key, for multimedia shortcuts. Debian with gnome3 made it work out of the box, the function keys. But I would like to disable the suspend shortcut. The problem is that in gnome x keyboard shortcuts settings I cant find it assigned |
| 20:02.46 | ryouma | illy: do you have jessie in your sources? |
| 20:02.51 | illy | nope |
| 20:03.12 | illy | squeeze |
| 20:03.19 | illy | i also tought that was the problem, but is not |
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| 20:03.40 | ryouma | BoteMan: ok, thanks for hte idea. i don't know if i would be able to do that, if it is a lot of stuff. |
| 20:04.04 | ryouma | illy: running just squeeze or trying to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 20:04.10 | illy | not mine machine |
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| 20:04.16 | illy | also runing squeeze |
| 20:04.20 | illy | doesnt want to be upgraded |
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| 20:05.01 | BoteMan | ryouma: If you want nothing more than to listen to a Net radio station's audio stream, you would need to find out if Icecast server can stream it. I don't know that. There might be clients that can stream Flash without being Flash, but I don't know. Then use Icecast to relay that stream to your box running any media player and not Flash. Like I said, pretty complex. |
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| 20:05.01 | ryouma | illy: ok, i've reached the limit of my ability to confidently help you. perhaps somebody else can do so. |
| 20:06.40 | ryouma | BoteMan: huh, well, it's just last.fm, but i doubt they'd have any special ability to stream stuff like that. they have in the past year or so reduced their apis and stuff, so much that i think the only thing that works is their web player (or maybe something related to spotify that i have not figured out yet). |
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| 20:07.15 | BoteMan | Well, they wouldn't be a modern Internet company if they didn't have some means to track your every move. |
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| 20:08.31 | ryouma | i'm fine with them tracking everything if i can sandbox that to a dedicated thing that only visits them :) |
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| 20:14.08 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I just installed Debian 7.8 on my old Dell D600 and want to know if I can make LXDE look like Windows Classic very easy ^^ |
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| 20:16.04 | bigMouthCommie | WangDang_: youe still here? |
| 20:16.07 | bigMouthCommie | sudo passwd -dl root |
| 20:16.14 | bigMouthCommie | does that do what you want it to do? |
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| 20:16.24 | tytan | At least I know someone is alive ^^; |
| 20:17.26 | bigMouthCommie | tytan: do you know anything about xev or why gnome is hijacking my ctrl key? |
| 20:18.03 | tytan | Nope. I didn't use Gnome since version 2.6. Sorry :/ |
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| 20:18.28 | master | i dont suppose anyone knows how to navigate the archives to check for feature support? |
| 20:18.52 | bigMouthCommie | master: what do you want to check for? |
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| 20:19.35 | master | i am wanting to see if one of the testing archives has a version of xrdp that has XKB support; i also am generally interested in browsing the archives for package selection without sorting through an alphabetical list |
| 20:19.59 | BoteMan | bigMouthCommie: About all I can say is that while trying to get my Dvorak keyboard layout to stick I found man keyboard(5) to be somewhat helpful. Maybe your answer lies there? |
| 20:20.33 | codebam | why cant I install xfce4. says not found but referred to. |
| 20:20.40 | bigMouthCommie | thank you BoteMan : i also use dvorak |
| 20:20.54 | BoteMan | Oh, then you're much cooler than I thought! |
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| 20:22.47 | master | jeez |
| 20:23.08 | codebam | ... |
| 20:23.11 | master | is this the general support channel? |
| 20:23.16 | bigMouthCommie | trying to nuke an apparently extraneous line (backspace=guess" |
| 20:23.21 | master | i may be asking in the wrong place |
| 20:24.17 | bigMouthCommie | uhhh... you should be able to search without diggin line-by-line master |
| 20:24.29 | master | browse != search |
| 20:25.05 | bigMouthCommie | i guess i don't understand what you are asking. brb. rebooting my terminal (irc client will remain logged in) |
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| 20:25.16 | master | the repos |
| 20:25.19 | master | i want to browse the repos |
| 20:26.00 | master | dude, getting basic support even while reading the docs so far has been seriously frustrating, is there a more official IRC channel I should be using? |
| 20:26.21 | master | is a 15 year linux veteran too |
| 20:26.36 | master | this is terrible |
| 20:26.36 | valdyn | master: just pay for support, that will get you far with that attitude |
| 20:26.46 | BoteMan | agrees |
| 20:26.47 | master | ive been in here for freaking days and cant get basic questions answered |
| 20:26.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | wat |
| 20:27.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | i haven't seen you til just now. |
| 20:27.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | you want to browse debian's package repositories? |
| 20:27.33 | master | ive been in here to review debian for several days now |
| 20:27.33 | master | yes |
| 20:27.40 | master | i want to browse the package repos |
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| 20:27.50 | master | aptitude has a browse feature per the documentation |
| 20:27.55 | master | but its just alphabetical |
| 20:27.55 | valdyn | master: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 20:28.17 | bigMouthCommie | ok. for whatever dumb reason, nuking an (apperentyl) extraneous line from /etc/default/keyboard DID what i wanted |
| 20:28.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | do you want a non-alphabetical sort? i don't get it. |
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| 20:28.42 | master | categorical taxonomy is generally expected with a ~40,000+ package set |
| 20:28.44 | bigMouthCommie | master: i have been trying to get a fix to my issue for WEEKS, and only today did BoteMan save my skin. |
| 20:28.54 | bigMouthCommie | patientce, sir |
| 20:28.56 | BoteMan | bigMouthCommie: That's weird, because they say that you need that Backspace line. |
| 20:29.01 | valdyn | !tell master -about search |
| 20:29.02 | codebam | google search... <package name> debian |
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| 20:29.12 | BoteMan | bigMouthCommie: Just make certain that backspace sends the correct key sequence to the box. |
| 20:29.13 | valdyn | !tell master -about debtags |
| 20:29.17 | master | browse != search |
| 20:29.17 | bigMouthCommie | master, have you tried gerpping? |
| 20:29.20 | master | browse != search |
| 20:29.32 | master | All: browse != search |
| 20:29.33 | knosys | yes , but I agree its not easy to get there ... and thats not categorical... |
| 20:29.34 | valdyn | master: theres no literal book |
| 20:29.39 | valdyn | master: browse != browse |
| 20:29.40 | bigMouthCommie | it does, BoteMan |
| 20:29.41 | codebam | master: so you want something like a package "store"? |
| 20:29.51 | knosys | but anyway , i dont mind categorical if I can search. They should link to the search function from main site |
| 20:29.58 | knosys | They*you*we |
| 20:29.59 | master | anything besides an alphabetical list, thats ridiculous for a repo that size |
| 20:30.00 | bigMouthCommie | master, what is your issue, exactly. what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 20:30.11 | master | christ |
| 20:30.13 | master | ok |
| 20:30.13 | valdyn | master: youve been told many way to browse now |
| 20:30.16 | master | listen |
| 20:30.20 | valdyn | master: please stop whining, try them first |
| 20:30.24 | master | is there an 'advanced' channel? |
| 20:30.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | so a random sort would be fine? |
| 20:30.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | take your alphabetical list and pipe it to sort -R |
| 20:30.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | done. |
| 20:30.53 | codebam | master: there are categories as well |
| 20:31.08 | master | codebam, can you link me to some documentation to peruse those please |
| 20:31.13 | valdyn | codebam: he has been told about that, hes just lazy to try |
| 20:31.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | master: may i suggest that you're stating your requirements ambiguously. too ambiguously. |
| 20:31.26 | bigMouthCommie | master, have you looked at aptitude or synaptic ? |
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| 20:31.35 | master | jesus i just said that |
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| 20:31.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | (he did just say that, in his defense) |
| 20:31.54 | knosys | Also , finding the beta release ISO's by browsing the website its really difficult, I can only access through a google search (maybe its my fault, but still should be easier) |
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| 20:32.19 | valdyn | knosys: theres no beta |
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| 20:32.28 | valdyn | knosys: maybe you mean the installer beta |
| 20:32.29 | bigMouthCommie | i think knosys meant jessie |
| 20:32.30 | knosys | What about jessie ? I am using it |
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| 20:32.39 | valdyn | knosys: you call it beta, ok, debian does not |
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| 20:33.02 | knosys | In their website i though there was "beta 2" writen on there |
| 20:33.05 | knosys | but i may be wrong |
| 20:33.05 | codebam | master: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+package+categories |
| 20:33.18 | valdyn | knosys: thats the installer, not more than that |
| 20:33.20 | codebam | second link... |
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| 20:33.56 | master | oh god youre using tags |
| 20:34.00 | master | ok |
| 20:34.02 | master | thats enough |
| 20:34.07 | ruzekle | What's the correct source.list for Debian Jessie? |
| 20:34.12 | master | eval is finished |
| 20:34.13 | zinx | i like tag search |
| 20:34.15 | master | this is terrible |
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| 20:34.31 | valdyn | ruzekle: basically the same as wheezy, but replace all "wheezy" with "jessie" |
| 20:34.33 | codebam | master: what would you consider good? |
| 20:34.38 | codebam | lol |
| 20:34.46 | master | basic function-centric taxonomy |
| 20:34.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | master: the questions you're asking don't rise to an 'advanced' level. i've been redirected to debian's other support channels for, say, creating debian packages of my software. that's a bit more advanced than browsing the repo. |
| 20:34.59 | ruzekle | valdyn: Understood. Where can I get this list? Currently I don't have a wheezy machine. |
| 20:35.02 | valdyn | !tell ruzekle -about sources.list |
| 20:35.14 | valdyn | ruzekle: dpkg should now have told you :) |
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| 20:35.41 | codebam | master: so like the gentoo hardened install I have on my 16gb usb? |
| 20:35.43 | master | NoImNotNineVolt, i agree that they don't, but it's been pretty difficult to find people who can navigate even basic parts of the distro, we can't even get simple questions answered with 1600+ observers |
| 20:35.45 | codebam | lol |
| 20:36.01 | knosys | valdyn, I see , I got confused then. What about the search packages feature? Do you find it accessible somewhere in the debian site? Maybe I just dont know how yet |
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| 20:36.14 | Bremsstrahlung | If using the Debian netinst on a laptop with no wired connection (only wireless), is it a known issue that it may not work? |
| 20:36.15 | bigMouthCommie | ... hijacked again. after i launched chromium.... |
| 20:36.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | master: your question "i want to browse the repos" was answered :P |
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| 20:36.22 | master | the documentation is scattered |
| 20:36.26 | valdyn | !tell knosys -about search |
| 20:36.29 | knosys | The only way i can access there is looking through google, which its fair enough. But sometimes tried other way and got dissapointed |
| 20:36.31 | master | i mean this is a major distribution |
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| 20:36.35 | valdyn | knosys: theres many "search functions" |
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| 20:36.42 | master | i would be embarrassed to put my name on that |
| 20:36.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | debian's documentation is relatively awesome, as far as these things go. |
| 20:36.50 | codebam | master: check out the arch documentation if you need package specific help |
| 20:36.54 | knosys | I mean, search packages by name. In debian site |
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| 20:37.04 | codebam | tends to work cross platoform |
| 20:37.06 | valdyn | knosys: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:37.11 | master | codebam, arch's knowledge base really has grown in a huge way the last few years |
| 20:37.20 | bigMouthCommie | master, ou're not fixing the docs, you're not listening to advice,but you are complaining about the docs and the advice. |
| 20:37.36 | codebam | master: yea |
| 20:37.45 | ruzekle | valdyn: Thank you. |
| 20:37.54 | knosys | valdyn, I mean search packages by name, there I cant do that |
| 20:37.55 | bigMouthCommie | i might suggest that you check your blood sugar, and see that you're properly rested. maybe this will seem better after a burger and a nap. |
| 20:38.02 | master | no, that's not actually what i was concerned about bigMouthCommie, that's just the argument you've learned to give when people get frustrated trying to find support |
| 20:38.14 | codebam | so... can anyone tell me why xfce4 is "not available but referenced in other packages"? |
| 20:38.22 | knosys | by the way : "View the packages in the testing distribution" |
| 20:38.31 | knosys | thats writen there also :P |
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| 20:39.07 | valdyn | knosys: of course you can search packages by name there |
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| 20:39.19 | valdyn | knosys: or you can search files in packages by name - there too |
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| 20:39.29 | master | browse != search |
| 20:39.47 | master | this is what i was looking for, thanks: https://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 20:39.50 | bigMouthCommie | master. i got it |
| 20:39.50 | bigMouthCommie | use synaptic |
| 20:39.50 | bigMouthCommie | you will love it |
| 20:39.55 | knosys | master, yes, I know how to browse packages, but not search.. |
| 20:39.56 | codebam | master: we get that... but why would you ever want to browse. |
| 20:40.06 | bigMouthCommie | sudo apt-get install synaptic |
| 20:40.06 | master | facepalms |
| 20:40.19 | knosys | valdyn, can you tell me how please? |
| 20:40.30 | bigMouthCommie | i don't see how synaptic won't fix your issue |
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| 20:40.31 | valdyn | knosys: scroll down on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:40.41 | valdyn | knosys: there is 2 fields where you can enter clear text |
| 20:40.49 | codebam | you search for an email cient, web browser, etc. you dont go looking through a library. there is no package "store" |
| 20:40.58 | bigMouthCommie | it presents the repo sorted by category. |
| 20:41.01 | valdyn | knosys: one is for searching the content of packages and one is for searching by packagename |
| 20:41.11 | knosys | got it *facepalm* |
| 20:41.13 | knosys | thanks |
| 20:41.15 | bigMouthCommie | and you can introduce all kinds of other filters |
| 20:41.41 | codebam | xfce... anyone? |
| 20:41.51 | valdyn | judd: versions xfce |
| 20:41.52 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 20:41.55 | valdyn | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 20:41.56 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1; experimental: 4.12 |
| 20:42.18 | bigMouthCommie | sorry. codebam i don't know anything about xfce. but i will look |
| 20:42.24 | codebam | hmm... so I need to enable testing. seriously? |
| 20:42.39 | valdyn | codebam: as you can see its in wheezy and jessie, both (among others) |
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| 20:43.05 | codebam | valdyn: well Im using wheezy and I cant install it |
| 20:43.06 | knosys | valdyn, When i visited that website i tried 2 things: search bar on the top, and then brosed inside the release packages, and there didnt found it. But never scrolled down there .. my bad. |
| 20:43.16 | bigMouthCommie | it's in wheezy, but if you need v10, you will need testing |
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| 20:43.25 | codebam | im using i386. |
| 20:43.41 | valdyn | codebam: means a) your sources.list is broken or b) since sources.list was "fixed" you did not run "apt-get update" |
| 20:43.57 | codebam | valdyn: okay. |
| 20:44.11 | bigMouthCommie | i hate to suggest this, but you might want to check your sources.list and apt-get update if that's already done, you're really b.yond my help |
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| 20:45.20 | codebam | is it because im using canada specific mirrors? |
| 20:45.28 | valdyn | codebam: no |
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| 20:45.34 | codebam | valdyn: hmm okay. |
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| 20:46.45 | Bremsstrahlung | If using the Debian netinst on a laptop with no wired connection (only wireless), is it a known issue that it may not work? |
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| 20:47.36 | codebam | hmm okay now its working. thanks valdyn and bigMouthCommie |
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| 20:51.03 | codebam | I gotta say. on 7 or 8 year old hardware. debian is running blazing fast |
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| 20:52.53 | nalp | hey guys i have an issue (new to debian) i used the command apt-get install gdm3 everything went fine, tried to log in to my user but got authority issue, then i went in to the terminal typed userdel "username" made a new user and now i cant login to the user's can someone guide me? |
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| 20:53.20 | nalp | and cant see the user's in gnome either |
| 20:53.33 | valdyn | nalp: how did you create that new user? |
| 20:53.40 | nalp | and cant login to them in the terminal either |
| 20:53.44 | Bremsstrahlung | codebam, same here. |
| 20:53.47 | nalp | useradd "name" |
| 20:53.57 | Bremsstrahlung | codebam, with Debian Wheezy and Xfce, it runs remarkably well. |
| 20:53.58 | valdyn | nalp: ok, instead use "adduser name" |
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| 20:54.08 | abrotman | nalp: did you install the 'xorg' package? |
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| 20:55.11 | nalp | yeah have already done that |
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| 20:56.16 | jhutchins | nalp: Have you set the password for the user? |
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| 20:56.22 | codebam | why is weechat not built with script support? |
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| 20:56.29 | nalp | yeah i can see the user in gnome now |
| 20:56.54 | valdyn | codebam: why would you think its built without script support? |
| 20:56.58 | nalp | yeah know im inside gnome thx man |
| 20:57.07 | nalp | so useradd work perfect |
| 20:57.20 | valdyn | codebam: doesnt really make sense when there's a weechat-scripts package |
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| 20:58.10 | codebam | valdyn: ah thanks |
| 20:58.18 | valdyn | codebam: the script support is contained in the weechat-plugins package it seems |
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| 20:59.17 | codebam | valdyn: I already have that installed. still no script support |
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| 20:59.36 | codebam | it said it was already the latest version |
| 21:00.29 | acz32 | what's the difference between using debian.net and debian.org in our sources.list? the website sources.list example uses debian.net |
| 21:00.34 | nalp | prob a stupid question but is there a browser from start in gnome or i need to get one somehow? |
| 21:00.49 | codebam | nalp: comes with firefox |
| 21:01.14 | codebam | iceweasel. but its basically just a modified firefox |
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| 21:01.46 | nalp | then i must be blind cant find it in the application window |
| 21:02.16 | acz32 | how did you install gnome? |
| 21:02.26 | nalp | apt-get install gdm3 |
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| 21:03.21 | acz32 | do apt-cache pollicy iceweasel |
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| 21:03.29 | acz32 | that will tell you if it's intalled or not |
| 21:03.40 | codebam | valdyn: its weechat-scripts |
| 21:03.45 | codebam | not -plugins |
| 21:03.47 | codebam | :) |
| 21:04.15 | BoteMan | nalp: Applications -> Internet -> Iceweasel |
| 21:04.34 | nalp | yeah cause the only aplications i have right now is contacs,dconf editor, help , power statistics, startup apli, systemsettings |
| 21:05.08 | acz32 | did you run the command i told you to? |
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| 21:06.13 | nalp | unable to locate package iceweasel |
| 21:06.21 | codebam | nalp: firefox |
| 21:06.50 | acz32 | it wouldn't be firefox |
| 21:06.56 | codebam | really? |
| 21:06.57 | acz32 | sudo apt-get install iceweasel |
| 21:07.09 | acz32 | looks like you need to install it yourself |
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| 21:07.16 | codebam | I thought they have it as part of the firefox package |
| 21:07.25 | acz32 | there is no firefox package in debian |
| 21:07.32 | codebam | hmm... okay. |
| 21:07.38 | codebam | *yes there is |
| 21:07.41 | codebam | lol |
| 21:07.45 | codebam | iceweasel |
| 21:07.59 | acz32 | no there is not |
| 21:08.06 | codebam | iceweasel = firefox |
| 21:08.07 | acz32 | yes, iceweasel |
| 21:08.10 | acz32 | not firefox |
| 21:08.11 | acz32 | wrong |
| 21:08.15 | nalp | unable to locate package iceweasel |
| 21:08.18 | codebam | its the same thing |
| 21:08.34 | bazhang | ,v iceweasel |
| 21:08.35 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.5.0esr-1; sid: 31.5.0esr-1; experimental: 36.0.1-2 |
| 21:08.44 | acz32 | it's rebranded firefox with small changes. there is no package called firefox in debian |
| 21:08.57 | bazhang | ,v firefox |
| 21:08.58 | judd | No package named 'firefox' was found in i386. |
| 21:09.03 | codebam | I never said there was. I mean iceweasel = firefox. |
| 21:09.26 | acz32 | i said there's no firefox package in debian and you said "yes there is" |
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| 21:09.32 | nalp | yeah but still my debian say "unable to locate package iceweasel |
| 21:09.50 | jhutchins | !gnome |
| 21:09.50 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
| 21:09.55 | bazhang | nalp, update your sources list |
| 21:09.59 | codebam | no I said that there was a firefox package. which is iceweasel. |
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| 21:10.20 | nalp | how do i update it ;) ? |
| 21:10.25 | BoteMan | fire:ice::fox:weasel |
| 21:10.33 | bazhang | nalp, with apt-get |
| 21:10.37 | codebam | lol |
| 21:10.37 | acz32 | update what? |
| 21:10.47 | acz32 | sudo apt-get update |
| 21:10.58 | acz32 | to refresh package list |
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| 21:11.18 | nalp | still the same unable to locate package did the uppdate |
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| 21:11.47 | codebam | nalp: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 21:12.03 | bazhang | apt-cache search iceweasel |
| 21:12.40 | acz32 | if your system can't find iceweasel how the heck did it get gdm3? it's in the same repo |
| 21:13.05 | bazhang | typo I bet |
| 21:13.18 | nalp | have no idea :S |
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| 21:13.43 | bazhang | nalp, copy and paste exactly what I posted above |
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| 21:14.20 | nalp | yeah nothing happens when i type that |
| 21:14.45 | cr1st0 | este pais cheira a mofo |
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| 21:15.39 | bazhang | nalp, pastebin your sources.list please |
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| 21:16.15 | nalp | have no idea how to do that beside im on my pc on irc and debian on my laptop |
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| 21:16.34 | bazhang | sneakernet |
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| 21:16.45 | nalp | how do i read the sources.list? |
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| 21:17.03 | BoteMan | nalp: Run putty on your PC to get a terminal session on debian on your laptop, then you can copy and paste stuff easily. |
| 21:17.13 | bazhang | cat /etc/pat/sources.list |
| 21:17.19 | bazhang | err apt not pat |
| 21:17.46 | BoteMan | thanks nalp has gotten the plan backwards |
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| 21:18.11 | bazhang | copy tht output to a usb stick, walk over, paste into this pc browser at a pastebin site, give us the url |
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| 21:18.27 | RoyK | or take a picture |
| 21:18.41 | bazhang | thus 'sneakernet' |
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| 21:19.10 | acz32 | or just type it |
| 21:19.13 | acz32 | it's just one or two lines |
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| 21:19.34 | acz32 | type the uncommented deb lines |
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| 21:20.46 | nalp | when i type cat /etc/pat/sources.list i get no such file or directory |
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| 21:21.00 | bazhang | apt |
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| 21:21.08 | bazhang | I corrected it above |
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| 21:22.31 | nalp | deb cdrom:[debian gnu/linux 7,8,0 _wheezy_ - official i386 Cd Binary-1 20150110-13:32] / wheezy main |
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| 21:23.12 | bazhang | nalp, to a pastebin site, the entire thing |
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| 21:23.30 | acz32 | well that explains how he installed gnome |
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| 21:23.51 | nalp | thats all i got in the sources.list |
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| 21:24.20 | acz32 | looks like you skipped the section of the installer where you select mirrors |
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| 21:24.53 | nalp | can i fix that now or its to late? |
| 21:25.08 | mtn | nalp: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 21:26.07 | acz32 | easy fix, just read that link |
| 21:29.24 | nalp | the fun part is that my debian is tellin me the "deb" command not found :S |
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| 21:30.40 | jelly | it's not a command, nalp. It's the beginning of a line to put in config file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:31.08 | jelly | nalp: that's what "entries in this file" means |
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| 21:31.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell nalp about wheezy sources.list |
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| 21:36.11 | nalp | i just get permisson deniead trying to enter anything there |
| 21:36.21 | nalp | and i am root |
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| 21:36.56 | jelly | which editor are you using? |
| 21:37.24 | myfavyrp | Hi guys. I'm teaching linux to a group and we're on quite old hardware, running multiple debian VM's. |
| 21:37.29 | nalp | im in the terminal |
| 21:37.40 | myfavyrp | So I try to reboot as less as possible :) |
| 21:37.57 | myfavyrp | Does anybody know if I can show the different Display Manager without rebooting? |
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| 21:38.13 | myfavyrp | dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 for example, but i guess a reboot is needed? |
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| 21:39.09 | jelly | nalp: use a text editor program, eg. "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 21:39.13 | ctmjr | or just logout and back in and select the dm you want at the login page |
| 21:40.04 | myfavyrp | ctmjr, I want to switch from gdm3 to kdm to xdm to lightdm etc without reboot. |
| 21:40.07 | mtn | myfavyrp: you can ctrl+alt+F2 and kill the running dm, then start the other one you want to use |
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| 21:40.49 | myfavyrp | mtn, ok. that's an idea. Didn't think of that. That should work. |
| 21:41.19 | ctmjr | myfavyrp: oh sorry did not read it correctly |
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| 21:43.02 | myfavyrp | ctmjr no problem |
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| 21:43.45 | myfavyrp | Okay I tested, that works. Thanks guys :) |
| 21:45.55 | mtn | myfavyrp: welcome |
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| 21:47.01 | nalp | nano worked but now i got that it cant fetch the suggest http |
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| 21:47.42 | mtn | nalp: paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
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| 21:50.37 | nalp | its there |
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| 21:50.48 | mtn | nalp: and the link? |
| 21:50.56 | nalp | http://paste.debian.net/161806 |
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| 21:52.28 | mtn | nalp: you don't want deb-src, just start with deb |
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| 21:53.39 | nalp | tells me cant resolve debian.net and securit.debian.org still |
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| 21:53.52 | mtn | nalp: you are better off using something like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 21:54.04 | mtn | nalp: use your country code, if not from us |
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| 21:54.33 | nalp | do there exist and eu verison? |
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| 21:56.43 | mtn | nalp: usually you use your coutnry code. which country are you living in? |
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| 21:57.11 | nalp | sweden |
| 21:57.37 | bazhang | se innit |
| 21:57.39 | mtn | nalp: so that is se |
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| 21:58.28 | nalp | just tells me malformed line when using that |
| 21:58.49 | mtn | nalp: correct your sources.list and put a copy on the paste site, so we can look at it |
| 22:00.15 | BoteMan | Wouldn't it be quicker just to do a complete net install at this point? (only half joking) |
| 22:00.30 | mtn | you aren't wrong :) |
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| 22:02.47 | nalp | cant paste right now but it is " deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ " |
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| 22:03.26 | mtn | nalp: run apt-get update and paste the results of that command. we do need to see the whole thing, so you need to paste it |
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| 22:10.34 | acz32 | couldn't help but laugh at loud by nalp's "it's there" |
| 22:10.38 | acz32 | i was away |
| 22:10.54 | acz32 | hope you resolved the issue |
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| 22:14.27 | nalp | e: malformed line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) /// e: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 22:14.32 | nalp | still cant paste |
| 22:14.45 | nalp | that what happens when i apt-get update |
| 22:14.48 | lorenz___ | folks, i want to start a script at boot and it should run like a daemon. Is there some easy way to get this to play nicely with the init.d stuff? |
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| 22:15.19 | mtn | !tell nalp about wheezy sources.list |
| 22:15.24 | BoteMan | Wouldn't it be easier for somebody to compose a working sources.list and pastebin it so that nalp can download and paste it into his config? |
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| 22:15.37 | mtn | nalp: read that carefully |
| 22:15.57 | mtn | BoteMan: he has been given the link a couple of times, so far |
| 22:16.11 | BoteMan | Yes, there seems to be some sort of communication breakdown here. |
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| 22:17.23 | mtn | yup and I am done |
| 22:17.30 | acz32 | he must have skipped the section of the installer where he selects a mirror because his sources.list just has the CD1 as source |
| 22:17.49 | abrotman | acz32: that happens if your internet doesn't work at install time |
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| 22:19.12 | acz32 | he can't seem to figure it out on his own |
| 22:19.27 | acz32 | tempted to just give him a sources.list to use like BoteMan said |
| 22:19.32 | abrotman | Okay, well, let the others help him |
| 22:19.38 | abrotman | he's been given one that works |
| 22:19.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lorenz___ about run at startup |
| 22:20.03 | aphorise | If I was to install systemd will my sysvint stuff & script in /etc/init.d be affected or would I need to port them? |
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| 22:20.24 | acz32 | if he's getting an error saying he has a malformed line in the file then the one he was given doesn't work |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | yes, it does |
| 22:20.41 | pjotter | Hello all! Does anybody know the proper name of the login application that debian-xfce uses to login? |
| 22:20.43 | abrotman | we've given it to thousands of people, it works |
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| 22:20.59 | abrotman | pjotter: the DM you mean? like XDM or GDM3? |
| 22:21.14 | acz32 | then he didn't copy it correctly |
| 22:21.20 | abrotman | acz32: We get that .. thanks |
| 22:21.37 | nalp | i dont think i have an internet connection or something cause when i try to update with the http:s original mirrors from the dpkg it tells me failed to fetch http:// and so on, on all 3 ( could not resolve http.debian.net and so on) |
| 22:21.54 | abrotman | nalp: Are you using wireless or wired? |
| 22:22.00 | nalp | wireless |
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| 22:22.15 | pjotter | abrotman: I have no idea. I just mean the application responsible for the loginscreen. Any ideas on how to change it? Is that hard to do? |
| 22:22.27 | master | he is talking about the login manager |
| 22:22.35 | abrotman | pjotter: install another one. which do you want? |
| 22:22.45 | abrotman | nalp: which wireless card? can you connect via wired? |
| 22:22.48 | pjotter | I was thinking of the one that Xubuntu uses at the moment. |
| 22:22.50 | master | pjotter, yeah if you install another one it'll give you an ncurses menu to choose which one you actually want to run |
| 22:22.57 | nalp | yeah i can ty it |
| 22:23.00 | master | i use lightdm for my login manager |
| 22:23.04 | abrotman | pjotter: I don't know what that is .. |
| 22:23.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell pjotter about dm |
| 22:25.03 | pjotter | Let me ask another question. I just installed Debian xfce version. At startup it asks me to type in my username and password. Is there a setting so that my username is selected by default and I only have to type in my password? |
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| 22:25.19 | nalp | nah dont work well ill try some more tomorrow need to get some sleep now but thx for the all the help guys |
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| 22:25.50 | ctmjr | pjotter: the default for xfce is lightdm |
| 22:25.56 | pjotter | ok |
| 22:26.23 | jhutchins | nalp: You might consider reading the install guide. |
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| 22:27.01 | master | uhm |
| 22:27.09 | master | De's dont have default DM's |
| 22:27.39 | pjotter | ctmjr: Thanks. I found it. I quess I can also fiddle with the settings of loghtdm to do that. |
| 22:27.40 | abrotman | master: when you install XFCE from the Debian XFCE ISO, it has one it comes with |
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| 22:28.01 | jhutchins | master: Well, gnome:gdm, kde:kdm. If you install xfce on debian it will install lightdm. |
| 22:28.16 | master | abrotman, right, so you're talking about a variation in a nonstandard iso. XFCE doesn't have any preference for one over the other |
| 22:28.20 | nalp | yeah well i think i chose defaults there but apperntly that was the wrong thing to do ;) |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | master: agreed, doesn't change what actually happens |
| 22:28.59 | nalp | gn peeps |
| 22:29.09 | master | jhutchins, the gnome and kde teams do provide DMs but thats only because those two specific DE teams have lost touch with the purpose and scope of their product |
| 22:29.38 | mtn | haha |
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| 22:31.38 | master | as for XFCE and lightdm binding that jhutchins referenced that's a distro maintainer / metapackage maintainer choice and not something inherent to the DE-- 100% personal preference |
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| 22:32.42 | jhutchins | master: In the context of debian though, there are default DM/DE pairings. |
| 22:33.33 | abrotman | master: not worth arguing .. |
| 22:35.43 | Bremsstrahlung | If using the Debian netinst on a laptop with no wired connection (only wireless), is it a known issue that it may not work? I was told some drivers for network adapters aren't compatible. |
| 22:36.05 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: told by what/who? |
| 22:36.18 | Bremsstrahlung | abrotman: I was in ##linux before. |
| 22:36.32 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: I'm not sure what that means .. |
| 22:36.34 | Bremsstrahlung | I wanted to see if it was also specifically true for Debian. |
| 22:36.35 | ompaul | Bremsstrahlung: do it with a wire or you will have lots of fun you don't need |
| 22:36.39 | Bremsstrahlung | (Or, if it's even true to begin with.) |
| 22:37.01 | Bremsstrahlung | So, what, get a USB adapter |
| 22:37.02 | Bremsstrahlung | ? |
| 22:37.06 | Bremsstrahlung | Because the laptop does not /have/ an RJ45 port. |
| 22:37.07 | ompaul | Bremsstrahlung: you can read the install documentation and it will tell you how to overcome it - frankly too much of a pain |
| 22:37.08 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: I'm still not sure what they're trying to tell you? |
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| 22:37.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Bremsstrahlung about firmware images |
| 22:37.25 | ompaul | !tell Bremsstrahlung about install |
| 22:37.30 | sc_ | insta-fail |
| 22:37.44 | sc_ | MULTI-FAIL |
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| 22:38.08 | Bremsstrahlung | abrotman, well, from what I gathered, certain network adapters are very finicky to install and get working on Linux. |
| 22:38.12 | Bremsstrahlung | And from what ompaul is saying, it seems to be the case. |
| 22:38.53 | ompaul | Bremsstrahlung: you can do it but you need to get it right - have a look at the firmware image that the bot told you about |
| 22:39.06 | Bremsstrahlung | Mhm, I see. |
| 22:39.18 | Bremsstrahlung | I remember there was another person here, some two days ago, also had issues with this. |
| 22:39.29 | Bremsstrahlung | Apparently his fix involved getting non-free something. |
| 22:39.34 | ompaul | you've been given a solution |
| 22:39.41 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: Eh, I think you and he are conflating tihngs |
| 22:39.41 | ompaul | read it do it done |
| 22:39.42 | themill | perhaps read what the bot said? |
| 22:39.42 | abrotman | things |
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| 22:40.16 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: In the normal installer, some drivers require firmware that may not be available. The bot told you about special images that are "non-free" and should have the firmware those drivers require. |
| 22:40.47 | Bremsstrahlung | Ahhhh, so those images are the ones that contain the non-free. OK, that explains it. |
| 22:40.55 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: Additionally, as Stable is sometimes outdated, some drivers may not work as well as they should, but that's a different problem |
| 22:41.00 | abrotman | "outdated" |
| 22:41.28 | Bremsstrahlung | "as Stable is sometimes outdated" Don't I know it. I just found out Wheezy's repo's have a LibreOffice version from 2012. |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 22:41.41 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2; sid: 1:4.3.3-2; experimental: 1:4.4.2~rc1-1 |
| 22:41.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Bremsstrahlung about wheezy bdo |
| 22:42.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Bremsstrahlung about wheezy backports |
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| 22:42.08 | abrotman | stops making up factoids |
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| 22:42.14 | master | judd help |
| 22:42.15 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 22:42.34 | Bremsstrahlung | Well, that's one way, but the backport repo (I checked) still doesn't have the latest LO stable. |
| 22:42.52 | Bremsstrahlung | So I just the latest stable directly from LO's site, and unpacked it, installed it. Worked like a charm. |
| 22:42.59 | Bremsstrahlung | They had deb packages specifically for Wheezy. |
| 22:43.28 | Bremsstrahlung | (No, don't show me the Shiny New Shit thing again :)) |
| 22:44.04 | abrotman | It's just easier to write postscript directly and generate PDFs. |
| 22:44.07 | abrotman | hides |
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| 22:44.50 | teraflop | heh or using latex :P |
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| 22:45.13 | Bremsstrahlung | Or combine both and use pdfLaTeX. |
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