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00:05.44 | teraflops | wow you look anger patachu |
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00:07.05 | teraflops | ^ angry* |
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00:07.19 | patachu | yes indeed |
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00:07.44 | Brigo | !firmware |
00:07.44 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
00:07.49 | thewanderer1 | how do I tell systemd that it's mandatory to start nfs-common *before* trying to mount an NFS share? right now, my .mount unit is failing with an "incorrect mount option was specified", which is because rpc.gssd was not yet running. |
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00:08.33 | Brigo | thewanderer1, tell your mount to start after the nsf-common unit. |
00:08.36 | patachu | give me one good reason to keep trying to make debian wheezy work. |
00:09.14 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, ok, how do I do that? |
00:09.27 | teraflops | patachu: i have none since jessie is comming |
00:10.05 | patachu | since every new version comes with even more bugs you guys are trying to fix. i came from "just no wireless lan" to "X server fucked, nvidia drivers not upgraded and new kernel don't support any of my mouses" |
00:10.47 | Brigo | adding a line like after=nfs-common.service or so, see the man pages. |
00:10.48 | Brigo | teraflops, you have no reason since jessie is comming? |
00:10.49 | patachu | seriously, i wouldn't be you here who are kind of, the helpdesk. |
00:11.13 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, but I don't think I can modify a unit file that's generated automatically at every boot |
00:11.38 | thewanderer1 | and, if I understood the docs correctly, mount units are re-generated from /etc/fstab |
00:11.39 | patachu | good luck ! going to do something else of my days and roll back to win2003server 64bit, at least it works. |
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00:11.57 | teraflops | !ragequit |
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00:12.17 | teraflops | lol Administrator@ |
00:12.38 | teraflops | damn friking weekends |
00:12.52 | Brigo | thewanderer1, you can copy it to /etc/systemd/system and modify it as you wish, if not then send a bug to systemd or nfs-common. |
00:13.14 | Brigo | thewanderer1, you can try asking in #debian-systemd channel in ofct network. |
00:13.31 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768006 -- uh oh |
00:14.02 | lanodan | Haha systemd failling again ;D |
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00:14.41 | thewanderer1 | lanodan, to be honest, it never worked for me on sysvinit either. |
00:14.55 | thewanderer1 | it's a rather peculiar case of bug-convergence |
00:15.08 | teraflops | lanodan: its not systemd related if you mean the nfs issue |
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00:15.17 | teraflops | it's* |
00:15.54 | teraflops | ... so stop being silly |
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00:16.30 | Brigo | thewanderer1, interesting answer, thanks for the awasome report but but nobody cares? :D |
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00:17.24 | knosys | frangor: man the same problem even with new headers and image |
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00:18.12 | thewanderer1 | teraflops, actually, it is systemd-related, but it also used to break on sysvinit |
00:18.31 | frangor | knosys: what exactly is the problem? |
00:18.44 | thewanderer1 | if the generated NFS mount unit files had nfs-common as its dependency, none of this would be happening |
00:18.48 | frangor | knosys: I only read that you can't found the headers.. |
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00:19.01 | thewanderer1 | so I need to hack the fstab unit file generator somehow |
00:19.37 | frangor | I just* |
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00:21.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
00:21.13 | teraflops | thewanderer1: i know the sysvinit issue |
00:21.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont suppose anybody can help me with my jessie AD login errors? |
00:21.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/YZcB |
00:21.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | there is the config files, |
00:21.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | and yes i posted in #samba no response yet, |
00:22.29 | teraflops | thewanderer1: nfsv3? |
00:22.51 | thewanderer1 | teraflops, actually, in my case it is NFSv4, but it breaks all the same |
00:23.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/TAZG |
00:23.29 | thewanderer1 | I think I shall make my own unit file and disable generation of the unit files for my v4 mounts |
00:23.32 | Brigo | thewanderer1, you can try the workaround i told you before. |
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00:24.05 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, yes, I'll do that, as soon as I find out how to prevent systemd from making its own, same-name unit files |
00:24.13 | knosys | frangor: my problem was that i need virtualbox-dkms installed |
00:24.19 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, or would my unit files override the defaults? |
00:24.21 | Brigo | thewanderer1, you can override it, just copy them to /etc/systemd/system dir |
00:24.23 | knosys | and i had dkms, but not virtualbox-dkms package |
00:24.23 | lanodan | thewanderer1: My NFS sharing (legacy + zfs) works with sysvinit with and without openrc |
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00:24.52 | Brigo | thewanderer1, /etc/systemd/system overrides the system's ones. |
00:24.56 | teraflops | thewanderer1: so youre looking for a way to use timeo= |
00:24.58 | teraflops | ? |
00:25.01 | rabbitear_sdf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o39etJFlW7k |
00:25.35 | thewanderer1 | teraflops, no, because `mount` was failing immediately, since the gss daemon was not yet started |
00:25.42 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, excellent |
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00:26.10 | Brigo | thewanderer1, the theory is good, now we will see the practice :) |
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00:26.27 | thewanderer1 | yeah well :P |
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00:27.13 | frangor | knosys: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_.22Jessie.22_.28testing.29 |
00:27.42 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, hmm, where would I find the "generated" unit files to copy from? |
00:28.24 | thewanderer1 | nvm, got it - systemd's favourite directory, /run |
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00:29.20 | teraflops | thewanderer1: just guesin run/systemd/generator/* |
00:29.30 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
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00:30.33 | thewanderer1 | yup, that's it |
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00:31.16 | thewanderer1 | Brigo, that did the trick |
00:31.28 | Brigo | good for you :) |
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00:31.52 | thewanderer1 | my NFS now auto-mounts and all I had to do was put it in /etc/fstab and feed systemd the same info manually anyway :P |
00:32.45 | thewanderer1 | anyone else thinking systemd's theme song should be "Don't stop me now", especially the "I'm out of control" part? |
00:32.51 | Brigo | untill the bug will have fixed. |
00:33.13 | Brigo | :D |
00:33.25 | teraflops | thewanderer1: feel free to put the workaround on the bug report :P |
00:33.38 | thewanderer1 | hmm, not a bad idea |
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00:34.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/TAZG |
00:34.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | there is the error i am getting |
00:34.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/YZcB |
00:35.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | and this is the configs |
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00:36.05 | knosys | frangor: already solved installing the virtualbox-dkms package, but lets take a look |
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00:39.51 | thewanderer1 | thanks for the help |
00:39.58 | teraflops | thewanderer1: to be fair jessie runs systemd 215, I use i.e 219-2 in archlinux workstations so for something almost new i think it is a handicap |
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00:40.12 | teraflops | thewanderer1: we all learned a bit |
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01:00.02 | Delf | My apologies, it's on different network :) |
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01:08.30 | srg | Hi...uh, where are the Postfix logs? |
01:09.19 | srg | The only thing in /var/log/mail.log is dovecot. I thought postfix was supposed to log there too (via syslog?) |
01:09.24 | rabbitear_sdf | /var/log |
01:09.36 | rabbitear_sdf | can be syslog |
01:10.00 | rabbitear_sdf | srg, the config in /etc/ says |
01:11.10 | srg | hm, the previous admin must've removed the logging options |
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01:11.22 | srg | I thought it was somehow in systemd's binary format or some annoying crap, lol |
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01:11.36 | srg | thanks rabbitear_sdf ! |
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01:12.18 | frogsus | Say, has D-Bus been replaced with something else in Jessie? what with? |
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01:26.05 | solaris | hi, what's include in "standard system utilities" when we install Jessie? |
01:26.17 | solaris | is it OK if I uncheck this? |
01:26.49 | themill | you'll find that you just get annoyed with not having things like "less" installed. |
01:26.53 | themill | !standard task |
01:26.54 | dpkg | [standard task] a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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01:31.58 | solaris | themill: I agree that such things are important, like "sudo" and such, but if I don't want to get all the games for example how can I do? |
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01:35.04 | themill | solaris: what games do you think are part of the standard task? |
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01:36.38 | solaris | themill: I don't know, but when I installed Jessie RC1 I got all games by default, and other program which I don't need. |
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01:37.31 | themill | Sounds a lot more like the desktop task than the standard task. |
01:38.30 | themill | (I doubt it was "all games" -- you'd need to list specific packages if you want anyone to look further) |
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01:43.16 | solaris | themill: I will reformulate. How do I select at the installation the package I want? |
01:43.39 | themill | solaris: just install the packages you want after you've completed the installation |
01:44.00 | solaris | :) |
01:45.01 | solaris | themill: How do I remove the packages I don't want at the OS installation? |
01:45.22 | themill | don't tick things in tasksel you don't want |
01:47.07 | solaris | where is this option? I never get through a window with a packages selection during install |
01:47.37 | solaris | only choices for the DE, print server, ssh server etc.. |
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01:56.52 | themill | solaris: right, so don't install the things you don't want out of that list... |
01:57.43 | solaris | themill: but that list isnt exhaustive right? |
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01:58.22 | themill | Of course not. As I said, install extra packages afterwards. An interface in the installer offering for you to browse through 43k packages and select a handful of ones you want is not useful. |
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01:59.35 | themill | tasksel shows a handful of common tasks that let people quickly install common selections of packages that they probably want. For everything else, there is apt. |
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02:15.05 | frogsus | Does Jessie offer at installation time an alternative to "systemd" init system? |
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02:16.05 | themill | frogsus: you can change that yourself after you reboot |
02:16.51 | frogsus | and what alternative init system will i find available after i reboot? |
02:17.04 | frogsus | which alternative |
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02:18.42 | themusicgod1 | I notice gitian isn't in ReproducibleBuilds/ExperimentalToolchain...is this on purpose? |
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02:23.53 | rudi_s | frogsus: If you don't have a preference the best way is IMHO to stick with the default. |
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02:24.38 | rudi_s | There's at least sysvinit, runit and openrc in Debian. |
02:24.44 | frogsus | "systemd" is cementware |
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02:26.02 | rudi_s | Never heard that term, could you explain? |
02:26.10 | frogsus | or barbwire-ware |
02:27.49 | rudi_s | frogsus: Try using it for a while and if you can't live with it, switch. |
02:27.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can u help me with a sed oneliner? |
02:28.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want to remove all lines that are commented in a file |
02:28.17 | themusicgod1 | what do the comments look like ? |
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02:28.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | they start with # |
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02:29.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | its my login pam file, the comments are endless and i ned to compart with diff another file |
02:30.13 | rudi_s | Eryn_1983_FL: Use grep: grep -vE '^#' file |
02:30.40 | rudi_s | Maybe '^[[:space:]]*#' to strip leading spaces before comments. |
02:30.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
02:31.15 | themusicgod1 | sed -e 's/#.*//g' | sed -e '/^$/d'; work? |
02:31.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | UP |
02:31.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | YUP |
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02:33.36 | cinnamon | what should i do about modified config file grub? |
02:33.41 | cinnamon | in regards to system updates |
02:34.33 | themusicgod1 | modified how |
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02:36.12 | cinnamon | there is an option when updating either keep current grub or install new one |
02:38.28 | rudi_s | cinnamon: Display the difference and look what was changed. |
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02:59.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks guys for the sed help |
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03:37.34 | miner-49er | any one know howto get swi prolog 7 going from a repo, the one for ubuntu on swi prolog website seems not to work here on amd64 |
03:37.38 | miner-49er | 7.7 wheezy |
03:37.52 | miner-49er | I'd prefer not to have to compile |
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03:44.14 | beepie | miner-49er, if you add backports you'll get 6.6.6 |
03:44.18 | beepie | !devil |
03:44.18 | dpkg | Bill Gates is the devil.. Amber...whatsername |
03:44.24 | beepie | !backports |
03:44.24 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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03:47.43 | future28 | Hi there, why do I need to do a "sudo service networking restart" before I can get my wifi (and also my phone as a wifi device) to work? |
03:48.41 | miner-49er | any way to get the 7.1 devel version? |
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03:53.37 | miner-49er | :) |
03:53.47 | miner-49er | yeah I'm that guy |
03:53.51 | miner-49er | mr wants the latest |
03:54.00 | miner-49er | even though he knows ass about the software |
03:54.01 | miner-49er | :) |
03:54.05 | miner-49er | gods I love myself |
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04:05.48 | jerry768 | hello, hi there |
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04:11.19 | miner-49er | is there a way to get libunwind8 on debian 7.7 whezzy? |
04:11.33 | miner-49er | seems that swi prolog 7.1 compile needs it as a dep |
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04:12.03 | rww | is there any actual reason you want 7.1 instead of 6.6? |
04:12.11 | rww | other than "it's shiny and new" |
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04:15.28 | latez | Hi guys i cant seem to ever get debian ip aliasing working properly even though I am seemingly following instructions - here is my pastebin can someone point to what i am doing wrong, because as it stands all i get is one alias and nothing more. - http://pastebin.com/wmxCf4dN |
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04:15.58 | latez | this is on 7.8 (wheezy) |
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04:30.57 | miner-49er | just cuz ann ogbourne said its better |
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04:31.08 | miner-49er | she wrote the swi prolog webserver guide |
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04:33.11 | WizardGed | latez: looks good to me try restarting the system |
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04:38.03 | latez | WizardGed: sure but its just boggles my mind that i can never get it working right with the network restart script. I can script it manually to add interfaces |
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04:38.06 | latez | bu thats whack! |
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04:44.29 | WizardGed | latez: yeah, networking is pretty complex but the one sure thing that will restart things correctly is a reboot :) |
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06:15.52 | superlinux-hp | hi. I am running debian jessie. I updated yesterday. I cannot see my mouse pointer, but I can feel it working. I have a synaptics touchpad. please help. thanks. |
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06:43.31 | AndChat|145641 | hello please help me |
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06:43.40 | AndChat|145641 | my debian is broken |
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06:43.57 | AndChat|145641 | now im in ubuntu live cd |
06:44.16 | mrwbp | what is a good book for leaning Debian command line |
06:44.25 | AndChat|145641 | i want mount that debian filesystem to copy my files |
06:44.51 | AndChat|145641 | how to get full permission |
06:44.59 | AndChat|145641 | please help me |
06:45.14 | AndChat|145641 | i know debian password |
06:45.18 | AndChat|145641 | bothu |
06:45.26 | AndChat|145641 | both user and admin |
06:45.56 | mrwbp | sudo mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point |
06:47.02 | AndChat|145641 | an error |
06:47.03 | mrwbp | Download http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/ |
06:47.14 | mrwbp | once you load the CD live |
06:47.27 | AndChat|145641 | ya |
06:47.37 | mrwbp | mount the partion with the command that I provide you |
06:48.01 | mrwbp | you can always check your partition by running "lsblk" |
06:48.02 | AndChat|145641 | you must specify the filesystem type |
06:48.10 | AndChat|145641 | ^this err is shown |
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06:49.46 | AndChat|145641 | how i specify filesystem type? |
06:49.49 | mrwbp | mount -t ext4 /dev/sda /mnt/(mi partition) |
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06:51.31 | AndChat|145641 | mrwbp, no permission to open files |
06:51.44 | AndChat|145641 | mounting is success |
06:51.51 | mrwbp | cool! |
06:52.03 | AndChat|145641 | :-) |
06:52.03 | puzzola | Adding lsblk to my list of useful commands, thanks mrwbp :) |
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06:52.20 | mrwbp | :) |
06:53.06 | AndChat|145641 | ( actually i've exam tomorrow my files all in this system ) |
06:53.23 | AndChat|145641 | :-) |
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06:55.00 | AndChat|145641 | mrwbp, are u searching? |
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06:55.29 | mrwbp | searching what? |
06:55.38 | AndChat|145641 | can u help me? |
06:55.59 | AndChat|145641 | to open this filesystem in full permission |
06:56.01 | mrwbp | what do you need? |
06:56.16 | AndChat|145641 | now im in ubuntu livecd |
06:56.23 | mrwbp | I thought you have mount you file system successfully |
06:56.31 | AndChat|145641 | ya |
06:56.41 | mrwbp | so? |
06:56.43 | AndChat|145641 | bt no permission |
06:57.06 | AndChat|145641 | how open mounted filesystem with full permission |
06:57.17 | AndChat|145641 | i want backup that files |
06:57.54 | AndChat|145641 | in that filesystem i installed debian |
06:58.05 | AndChat|145641 | while upgrading its broken |
06:58.12 | AndChat|145641 | can't boot to it |
06:58.17 | mrwbp | create a tar.gz of your files |
06:58.22 | AndChat|145641 | so i want take that file |
06:58.29 | mrwbp | and transfer them with "scp" |
06:59.13 | AndChat|145641 | wht is scp? |
07:00.02 | vitzli | ssh cp |
07:00.08 | AndChat|145641 | oh |
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07:00.19 | AndChat|145641 | i have pendrive |
07:00.22 | mrwbp | security copy |
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07:00.42 | AndChat|145641 | sir |
07:00.57 | AndChat|145641 | no access permission yet |
07:01.08 | AndChat|145641 | how get access permission ? |
07:01.14 | mrwbp | if you planning to use a usb. mount the usb as well |
07:01.33 | mrwbp | and copy the file.tar.gz to the usb |
07:01.40 | AndChat|145641 | ya mounted |
07:02.12 | cinnamon | is there a way to sync caldev/ contacts and calendar with icedove? I used lightning and sogo connector which all are free software |
07:02.27 | mrwbp | sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/external |
07:02.46 | AndChat|145641 | ok |
07:02.48 | mrwbp | double check that the usb is detected as /dev/sdc1 |
07:03.07 | mrwbp | could be different divice |
07:03.29 | AndChat|145641 | can't create tar.gz file |
07:03.43 | AndChat|145641 | because permission denied |
07:03.47 | mrwbp | you don't need permission to copy them to a usb driver |
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07:04.22 | AndChat|145641 | but it showing an "x" mark on folders |
07:04.34 | mrwbp | but if you really want it |
07:04.44 | AndChat|145641 | ya |
07:05.00 | mrwbp | sudo mount -t ext4 rw /partition/identifier /mount/point |
07:05.06 | AndChat|145641 | i know the password of broken filesystem |
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07:05.43 | mrwbp | where are you mounting you file system |
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07:05.58 | mrwbp | paste your command let me see it |
07:06.25 | AndChat|145641 | media folder |
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07:07.05 | AndChat|145641 | oops |
07:07.14 | AndChat|145641 | thath cmmand not running |
07:07.24 | AndChat|145641 | its shows help |
07:07.28 | mrwbp | try to create a file under /mnt |
07:07.35 | mrwbp | if you can! |
07:07.35 | AndChat|145641 | ok |
07:07.58 | mrwbp | you better mount your file system under /mnt |
07:08.24 | mrwbp | mkdir -p /mnt/myfilesystem |
07:08.26 | AndChat|145641 | same thing its shows the usage of mount command |
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07:08.51 | mrwbp | mount -t ext4 /dev/sda3 /mnt/myfilesystem |
07:09.37 | AndChat|145641 | ok |
07:09.56 | AndChat|145641 | but still that 'x' mark on files exist |
07:11.40 | AndChat|145641 | mrwbp, when trying to create tar file of folder it shows "permission denied" |
07:11.49 | mrwbp | if you can create files under /mnt, means you can create the tar.gz |
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07:12.05 | AndChat|145641 | no can't |
07:12.13 | mrwbp | under /mnt ? |
07:12.22 | mrwbp | impossible |
07:12.23 | AndChat|145641 | :'( |
07:12.27 | AndChat|145641 | ya |
07:12.49 | AndChat|145641 | permission denied to create tar filw |
07:12.51 | AndChat|145641 | file |
07:12.59 | AndChat|145641 | of that file system |
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07:13.56 | mrwbp | you are a little confused! you don't need permission in your file system! |
07:14.07 | AndChat|145641 | ok got it |
07:14.13 | AndChat|145641 | now it works file |
07:14.17 | AndChat|145641 | fine |
07:14.31 | mrwbp | what you need is permisson in ubuntu live cd to create the tar.gz |
07:14.33 | AndChat|145641 | i used "gksudo nautilus" |
07:15.03 | AndChat|145641 | gksudo helped me ;-) |
07:15.18 | AndChat|145641 | thank you mrwbp |
07:15.25 | AndChat|145641 | thank you verymuch |
07:15.32 | AndChat|145641 | greate linux!!! |
07:15.59 | mrwbp | :) |
07:16.49 | mrwbp | were you under graphic mode? hahaha I didn't know that |
07:17.00 | mrwbp | anyway take care |
07:17.36 | AndChat|145641 | ya its really working |
07:17.41 | BlueEagle | AndChat|145641: You are aware of the risks of running the file manager as root, right? |
07:17.47 | AndChat|145641 | :-) |
07:17.57 | AndChat|145641 | ya :-) |
07:18.10 | AndChat|145641 | i want just that my school files |
07:18.23 | AndChat|145641 | tomorrow i have exam |
07:18.31 | AndChat|145641 | :-) |
07:18.36 | mrwbp | :) |
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07:20.00 | BlueEagle | AndChat|145641: The correct way to handle file permission issues is to either mount the volume with the correct options or to change the permissions of a file to that of the user that should have access to it. If you run a graphical file manager as root and accidentally move /usr into another folder by drag and drop you're pretty fscked unless you immediately realize it and are able to revert it. |
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07:21.08 | AndChat|145641 | Mm ok :-) |
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07:24.15 | nurupo | i wonder if it will triple ask you when trying to remove / |
07:24.48 | nurupo | something alike to the --no-preserve-root option |
07:24.50 | BlueEagle | nurupo: unknonw, needs testing. |
07:24.57 | nurupo | heh |
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08:45.52 | otyughh | hey. I'm looking for a way in nano to have lines not wrapped. -$ is cutting the words and -w or -W is doing nothing apparently :( |
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08:51.59 | rbnielsen | What is the "success rate" of following the procedure in: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90389/how-to-upgrade-debian-stable-wheezy-to-testing-jessie ? Is this the normal way to do it, rather than upgrading from usb? |
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09:05.28 | RDash | Steam package is apparently broken, it requires additional 32bit libraries. http://pastebin.com/kQ6edZLT |
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09:12.08 | nurupo | rbnielsen: "upgrading from usb"? what's that? |
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09:13.16 | nurupo | it always worked for me, but i'd recommend installing jessie directly |
09:13.40 | nurupo | mostly because of sysvinit -> systemd change |
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09:16.03 | nurupo | *it always worked for me on the minimal Debian Wheezy netinst |
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09:35.21 | jrx | Hello |
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09:36.27 | jrx | Today, I wanted to instal updates using the GUI tool |
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09:36.51 | jrx | it find many packages to update but when I click on "install updates", it tells me : |
09:36.54 | jrx | E: Error http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main base-files i386 7.1wheezy7 |
09:36.54 | jrx | <PROTECTED> |
09:38.30 | rbnielsen | nurupo, what I mean by upgrading from usb, was actually just a fresh install of jessie. You know, making a bootable usb with jessie, an completely reinstalling. |
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09:41.35 | nurupo | i'd go for a clear jessie/testing install |
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09:43.16 | nurupo | i usually get it from weekly builds from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
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09:44.32 | nurupo | if your machine requires non-free firmware (to make laptop's wifi work, for example), it might be easier to just get it with the firmware packages on the board http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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09:46.50 | jrx | an apt-get update solve the problem, I don't understand why the gui tool bugged... nevermind... |
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10:13.37 | l3archos | hi debian |
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10:15.26 | l3archos | when I press fn+f10 for switching my notebook to external display-->internal display-->both displays mirrored-->both displays extended I realize that every time I press fn+f10 the internal display goes black/dark. I did find out that the brightness level is set automagically to value=0, thats why internal display remains black :( is this a bug ? |
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10:16.43 | Broatcast | what laptop? |
10:16.53 | Broatcast | right driver used? |
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10:23.04 | l3archos | which driver you mean Broatcast ? I am running Z710 Lenovo ideapad |
10:23.12 | l3archos | Debian Jessie 64bt |
10:23.20 | l3archos | s/64bt/64bit/ |
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10:29.14 | l3archos | I'm not sure if such a behaviour is related to https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51141 or similar but I'm sure that's no normal behaviour. When I press fn+f10 for "Display switch" the brightness level should NOT change at all. |
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10:35.38 | Broatcast | have a look in your bios settings... i dont know if lenovo have settings for bridgness settings i the bios for the z7* series ... on my R61 and the T430 i can manage the bridgness handling in bios |
10:36.34 | Broatcast | on the R61 i use the nvidia driver directly with wheezy |
10:36.34 | neoncortex | hi, i'm not have an problem, but network-manager are boring me, because sometimes, when i'm try to connect to wifi networks and they fail, they ask me the password of the network, but i'm already saved the password in the configuration [ and yes, they are correct ] .. can i change those behavior? make network-manager try again automatically without show me the dialog box of password? |
10:36.48 | l3archos | Broatcast: there is no brightness setting in BIOS |
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10:37.22 | Broatcast | then they dont have them implmentated in the bios |
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10:37.53 | l3archos | Broatcast: my notebook has a hybrid graphic card (discrete card). The BIOS setting is "discrete" as it should be and I have installed according the Debian HowTo/Wiki the nvidia-proprietary driver in conjunction with bumblebee. All the tests were positive, the card works fine |
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10:38.15 | Broatcast | neoncortex: this is cause the networkmanager try prevent every time try to connect to a other network with the same ssid but other password... |
10:38.58 | Broatcast | l3archos: try the riginal nvidia driver |
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10:39.02 | Broatcast | works fine for me |
10:39.06 | neoncortex | Broatcast, but can i change it? |
10:39.09 | l3archos | Broatcast: not good performance |
10:39.19 | l3archos | better said: not as good as the proprietary |
10:39.40 | l3archos | but I dont think that's the problem because my issue occured even "before" I installed bumblebee and nvidia proprietary |
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10:39.52 | Broatcast | but you realy need the extra performence? it work fine for my usage |
10:40.09 | neoncortex | maybe here are not the right place to ask, but i'm don't know where i can ask this xD |
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10:41.22 | l3archos | Broatcast: as I said, it's NOT the driver causing the problems |
10:41.27 | Broatcast | neoncortex: iam not sure... for me its a good feature... i switch with my machine between many customers... most of them use a fritzbox 7490 and all have the same ssid so its good that it ask for password on fail |
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10:42.14 | Broatcast | l3archos: then its hard for me to find the failure without a z7* |
10:42.16 | l3archos | neoncortex: do you manually have configured a file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ? |
10:42.23 | l3archos | Broatcast: sure :) |
10:42.28 | l3archos | however, have a nice day |
10:42.31 | l3archos | bye |
10:42.37 | Broatcast | np |
10:42.40 | neoncortex | l3archos, no, i'm configured the network in nm-applet |
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10:42.56 | l3archos | neoncortex: try to purge and --reinstall the appropriate package |
10:43.15 | l3archos | maybe it helps somehow.. then check the log file, they should provide more info |
10:43.18 | l3archos | bye |
10:43.28 | neoncortex | well .. o.O |
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11:13.24 | l0p3n | Hey, on https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap theres an example on how to create a complete sid installation. In this example there are a few steps I don't understand. Could someone please explain to me what these steps http://paste.debian.net/160221/ are for? |
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11:41.43 | jelly | l0p3n: it vaguely looks they're a way to set up a permanent entry point for the chroot on an unused console tty |
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11:48.17 | boris`` | hello, can i configure apt-get to skip dependency checking for a certain package (or failing that, just ignore that package altogether)? |
11:49.01 | themill | boris``: no. apt's one and only job is to deal with dependencies. |
11:49.21 | boris`` | themill: my dependencies are already satisfied |
11:49.22 | themill | (what are you really trying to do?) |
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11:50.15 | boris`` | i have package A which depends on packages B and C. my machine is a vserver on which my host has installed packages B' and C', which are repackaged copies of B and C |
11:50.31 | boris`` | functionally, my dependencies are already satisfied |
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11:50.48 | arwan | hello excuse me |
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11:50.53 | l0p3n | jelly: Ok, do you know if that is set up on the host system or on the guest system? |
11:51.00 | themill | sounds like you need to cluebat your vserver provider into making decent packages -- in the meantime, look at equivs |
11:51.17 | arwan | is it possible to copy a bootable iso's content directly tobe bootable as the other usb |
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11:52.03 | arwan | for example i have a 686 32bit crunchbang linux already on usb1, and i want to copy it to usb2 which is another content |
11:52.38 | arwan | is there a way to copy it directly w/o needing the step by step download of .iso and burning it to usb |
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11:54.21 | SirLagz | arwan: dd |
11:54.32 | arwan | what? |
11:54.43 | SirLagz | arwan: dd can copy directly from one usb to another usb |
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11:54.54 | arwan | would it also be bootable? |
11:55.32 | arwan | SirLagz, |
11:55.41 | arwan | would it be? |
11:55.44 | SirLagz | arwan: it makes a bit for bit copy. Just make sure the target usb is big enough |
11:56.05 | arwan | yes it is |
11:56.18 | arwan | how do i do that |
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11:58.23 | SirLagz | arwan: `man dd` should give you all the details you need |
11:58.46 | jelly | l0p3n: looks like it's supposed to be set on the host |
11:59.28 | arwan | so technical for me. |
11:59.33 | arwan | was expecting it like dd <usb1 path> <usb2path> |
11:59.48 | arwan | and it will copy contents of usb1 to usb2 |
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12:00.28 | SirLagz | arwan: that's pretty much it... |
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12:01.29 | SirLagz | arwan: dd if=/dev/usb1 of=/dev/usb2, just make sure you use the right disk devices. there's a reason why dd is also known as disk destroyer :P |
12:02.17 | arwan | even its a usb disk stick device? |
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12:04.20 | l0p3n | jelly: Ok thanks! |
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12:05.13 | themill | l0p3n: note that not all init systems pay attention to /etc/inittab and that particular configuration may not work in future releases |
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12:06.18 | SirLagz | arwan: yes |
12:06.46 | arwan | why would it destroy a usb drive when its just data? |
12:06.51 | arwan | it overvolts? |
12:06.53 | l0p3n | themill: Ok that's good to know :) |
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12:09.12 | SirLagz | arwan: destroy as in destroy any data on it |
12:09.20 | SirLagz | arwan: not literally destroy |
12:09.30 | SirLagz | arwan: or you could think of dd as data destroyer :P |
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12:09.57 | arwan | data destroyer is the much better term |
12:10.06 | arwan | i thought it also destroys disk |
12:10.14 | arwan | very risky to use if thats the case.. |
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12:15.38 | boris`` | themill: that worked well, thanks |
12:16.38 | themill | boris``: no worries. Just remember that using equivs like that is in the "when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" territory. |
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12:17.49 | boris`` | understood :) |
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13:36.32 | s7r | OpenVPN in Debian wheezy is OpenVPN 2.2.1, while the latest is 2.3.6 (?) |
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13:39.34 | towo` | s7r, and? |
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13:39.56 | s7r | wouldn't it be normal to use the latest version |
13:39.59 | s7r | which has all the fixes? |
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13:40.21 | towo` | in stable never comes new versions |
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13:40.49 | s7r | why? |
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13:41.04 | towo` | because it's stable? |
13:41.12 | themill | !stable |
13:41.12 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.8); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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13:45.21 | Raazeer | hi all. I've got a problem with systemd, maybe one of you can help me: |
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13:45.49 | Raazeer | I've got a crypto disk that's supposed to be started by systemd. |
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13:46.24 | Raazeer | When it is supposed to start, I get that thre-red-star-waiting thingy, saying three jobs are blocked, all of them with something to do with those crypto disks. |
13:46.46 | Raazeer | apparently two of them have a timeout, the other says it's supposed to wait infinitely. |
13:46.59 | Raazeer | if the ones with timeout run out, the system locks up. |
13:47.15 | Raazeer | now here's the question: How do I find those two that do lock up and set them to infinite timeout too? |
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13:48.21 | s7r | got it thx |
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14:04.56 | Deicide34 | Yup, all is set :) |
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14:06.39 | Klapo | can someon tell me, what I'm doing wrong.. http://wklej.org/hash/4cabb3df06e/ - I need eth0 as default network interface on VM, but it's not working (can't even ping it)... eth1 is |
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14:10.14 | abrotman | Klapo: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules any help? |
14:10.49 | GNU\colossus | I want to install a Debian jessie system to an USB thumb drive, and I'd like that installation to be bootable on both UEFI and "classic" BIOS systems. what are my options/what's the best way to make sure that will work as intended? |
14:12.24 | Raazeer | does really nobody here know anything about systemd? |
14:13.02 | Klapo | abrotman: ops, it's ubuntu. Don't have this file, should I create it? |
14:13.15 | abrotman | Klapo: no idea, ask #ubuntu |
14:13.24 | Raazeer | there's going to be big trouble once testing rolls over into stable... |
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14:13.30 | Klapo | hehe, okay |
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14:14.53 | Alex-xd | I Like the Shitââ©â(â£_â¢)ââ©â |
14:15.51 | abrotman | ... |
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14:20.46 | jelly | Raazeer: try ask.. eh |
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14:22.05 | abrotman | looks at jelly's hat |
14:22.21 | jelly | hm. |
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14:23.02 | jelly | it's been there since last night, so apparently I've been sleeping with my hat on |
14:23.26 | Stijn | ... you can leave your hat on |
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14:45.03 | srg | I can't find my Postfix logs. It's set to log to the mail facility in syslog. However, nothing from postfix is showing up in /var/log/mail.log. Dovecot's logs are showing up, which is also configured to log to syslog. |
14:45.16 | srg | I even tailed the log file while forcing a restart of Postfix; nothing at all showed up. |
14:45.33 | abrotman | srg: Using Debian ppostfix packageS? |
14:45.39 | srg | Yeah |
14:45.45 | srg | on Jessie |
14:46.03 | srg | It it some systemd magic? |
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14:46.38 | abrotman | can you put your main.cf in a pastebin (if it has private things, redact them, paste.debian.net please) |
14:46.57 | srg | sure |
14:47.09 | abrotman | and I suppose your syslog config |
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14:47.38 | jelly | srg: that includes stuff in /etc/rsyslog.d/ directory |
14:47.46 | srg | I haven't touched it at all; don't even know where it is. So it would be all defaults |
14:48.13 | jelly | debian defaults to chrooting a lot of postfix services (needlessly) |
14:48.36 | abrotman | jelly: it makes debugging way more fun |
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14:49.07 | jelly | it makes one more step in my mail server installation "remove all the chroot crap from master.cf" |
14:49.33 | abrotman | srg: dpkg -l | grep syslog .. which do you have installed? |
14:50.39 | srg | syslog-ng |
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14:50.49 | srg | main.cf http://paste.debian.net/160238/ |
14:51.27 | Alex-xd | -8- I Like the Shitââ©â(â£_â¢)ââ©â |
14:52.06 | jelly | srg: syslog-ng is one non-default thing you have, can you make it provide a listening socket at /var/spool/postfix/dev/log |
14:52.26 | Alex-xd | -h- I Like the Shitââ©â(â£_â¢)ââ©â |
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14:52.49 | srg | oh? I don't remember installing anything related to syslog myself. It must've came preconfigured with the VPS image? |
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14:52.59 | jelly | Alex-xd: switch that off |
14:53.51 | jelly | srg: possible, it means other things in your vps image might not correspond to debian defaults |
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14:55.44 | srg | hm. What's the default syslog on Jessie? I'm tempted to uninstall -ng and install that (rsyslog or whatever |
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14:56.12 | voidvoid | hi, is there any way to install pantheon "elementary desktop" into debian ? |
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14:58.16 | jelly | srg: rsyslog is default |
14:58.41 | jelly | your provider might have had a reason for that change |
14:59.18 | abrotman | thought syslog-ng was the default for Jessie? |
14:59.36 | abrotman | though, he's on wheezy .. so that wouldn't matter |
15:00.07 | jelly | actually, I don't know. jessies I installed from d-i are bare |
15:00.23 | srg | hm |
15:00.54 | Ryndack | Hello! |
15:01.34 | Ryndack | I am trying to install debian testing, but the installer don't have the ext4 option. Is that a bug? |
15:02.19 | abrotman | amd64 netinst? |
15:02.58 | Stijn | just did a fresh install, amd64 netinst and it did have the ext4 option |
15:03.47 | Ryndack | I tryed two images, amd64 cd1, e amd64 kde... |
15:04.13 | abrotman | Ryndack: I'm sure it has ext4 |
15:04.18 | Ryndack | I will download the netinst image |
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15:05.31 | Ryndack | http://upload.ryndack.com.br/upload/debian.png |
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15:05.42 | Ryndack | Sorry the installer is in portuguese |
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15:06.37 | Ryndack | I am testing this image in a VM, but I tried in a real machine and it was the same |
15:06.39 | jelly | Ryndack: what is the exact URL of the installer image you're using? |
15:06.55 | Ryndack | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
15:07.01 | Ryndack | and |
15:07.06 | Ryndack | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
15:07.14 | abrotman | Ryndack: Please try the netinst, not the large CDs |
15:07.26 | Ryndack | I will try. Thank you |
15:08.07 | abrotman | sort of wishes they'd make those large CDs harder to find prior to release |
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15:09.06 | Ryndack | why abrotman ? |
15:10.18 | abrotman | because, sometimes, they're not up to date (at this point, they should be okay), and testing fluctuates a lot. Downloading those huge CDs and then running aptitude dist-upgrade, etc generates in half the CD contents being updated anyway |
15:10.42 | rozie | I think CDs/DVDs should be distributed only by torrents |
15:12.03 | Ryndack | uhm, now I understand abrotman |
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15:14.12 | jelly | there are also daily-builds which might be more broken, or less broken |
15:14.19 | jelly | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
15:16.17 | Ryndack | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
15:16.30 | Ryndack | this image also don't have ext4 and ext3 |
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15:16.32 | Ryndack | :( |
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15:17.20 | sfese | Today i took a look into the devuan apt repositorys. They have udisks2 and policykit without dependency on systemd. Apparently both do their job well without systemd, I wonder why the debian packages depend on it. |
15:18.46 | Ryndack | And if I select guided mode, It generates an ext4 partition, but generates an error when formating. |
15:18.47 | jelly | sfese: did you compare the contents? |
15:18.59 | pipl | another one late to the party. |
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15:20.56 | sfese | No, i just installed them to see if they work, and they did. I'm genuinly interested which part / what functionality from systemd those two packages make use of. |
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15:22.02 | jelly | sfese: I don't know, but comparing the contents and package scripts might be a good start |
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15:22.14 | pipl | sfese: look at the debian git logs and diffs of those packages. |
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15:31.08 | Ryndack | the dayly build has ext4 |
15:31.15 | Ryndack | thanks!! |
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15:34.01 | sfese | pipl: I took a look at the git repository: For udisks, it appears to be exactly the same code, except they dropped systemd from "depends", and commented out libsystemd.patch from debian/patches/series |
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15:35.42 | jelly | sfese: you can then find the addition of that patch, and possibly see which bugs did it fix in the changelog |
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15:36.51 | sfese | That patch has three lines, that look if something called "systemd_login" exists. |
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15:38.53 | sfese | So apparently udisks2 simply doesn't need systemd for all that it does, and can work well if systemd isn't present. So i don't see the reason why it's in "Depends" instead of "Recommends" or "suggests" |
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15:39.14 | sfese | I suspect it's similar for policykit. |
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15:41.56 | sfese | Maybe all the anger/flamewars/people leaving over the last months could have been avoided by making some dependencies less strict. |
15:42.21 | pipl | but those maintainers chose not to. |
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15:46.53 | rkhunter | hey how to add bitcoin wallet ? |
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15:47.40 | sfese | Next thing I try is reinstalling all the original debian packages, and simply replace systemd with an empty package made by equivs. |
15:47.43 | Stijn | dpkg: bitcoin |
15:47.43 | dpkg | Stijn: I give up, what is it? |
15:48.10 | sfese | Reminds me of the HAL-days, that was a similar mess. |
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15:51.15 | sailcat | how long will wheezy be supported after it becomes old-stable? |
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15:51.48 | abrotman | Stijn: feel free to msg the bot |
15:52.02 | abrotman | sailcat: at least a year, depends how the LTS stuff goes |
15:52.07 | jelly | sfese: this udisks2 patch seems just to fix a build issue, and make sure it builds with versions of stuff in testing |
15:52.22 | sailcat | abrotman, thank you, sounds good |
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15:54.10 | armin | http://fpaste.org/195443/25830036/raw/ - any hint? |
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16:20.08 | Big_Aziz | вÑем ÐºÑ |
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16:24.32 | jerry768 | I just installed OpenJDK 1.6.0 on debian 7.4 wheezy.. though, I need to configure JAVA_HOME, how do I do this? Have been googling but not sure |
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16:24.54 | Stijn | export JAVA_HOME ~/home/jerry768 |
16:25.00 | Stijn | thats what I think |
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16:25.49 | Stijn | edit: export $JAVA_HOME ~/home/jerry768 |
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16:27.37 | jelly | hmm, that one might have been a mistake |
16:27.45 | jerry768 | Stijn, do I type that in the command line or do I put into a file? |
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16:27.51 | Stijn | command line |
16:28.03 | Stijn | set that to where you want to have your JAVA_HOME |
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16:28.11 | Stijn | ( just a guess ) |
16:28.23 | jerry768 | oh ok, Stijn, thank you, |
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16:29.42 | ledufakademy | why netinstall want to download on security.debian.org : while i make a manual entry for repository (our local repository) |
16:29.44 | ledufakademy | ? |
16:29.49 | jhutchins | Stijn: ~ == /home/<user> |
16:30.34 | centrx | ledufakademy, Getting security updates is important |
16:31.01 | ledufakademy | yes , but my local repository have security.debian.org mirror ! |
16:31.14 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
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16:31.41 | Stijn | jhutchins: noticed it |
16:31.44 | ledufakademy | i don't know why installer take another source |
16:32.31 | Stijn | so it would be "export $JAVA_HOME /home/asd" |
16:33.54 | jhutchins | !fr |
16:33.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
16:34.32 | ledufakademy | oui mais il faut etre approuver ... |
16:34.46 | ledufakademy | non ? |
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16:35.33 | jerry768 | ok, thank you Stijn, and jhutchins |
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16:58.33 | debiannoobie | i just installed debian, with base system only...what do you suggest i do next? |
16:58.42 | centrx | What do you want to do? |
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16:59.25 | centrx | You can install a graphical system and desktop environment, for example Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc. |
16:59.26 | debiannoobie | well, get some interesting programs first, it will be for home use, soo.. |
16:59.35 | debiannoobie | i just got irssi and mpg123.. hmm.. mocp? |
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17:00.09 | centrx | I don't know I've never used mocp, check it out |
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17:03.15 | debiannoobie | how to changemy network setup from DHCP to static ip? |
17:03.27 | debiannoobie | i'd like to specify a particular DNS |
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17:05.39 | jelly | debiannoobie: if you just want to override nameservers, |
17:05.46 | jelly | !tell debiannoobie about override dns |
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17:06.18 | debiannoobie | thanks jelly |
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17:07.32 | lotofweed | hi! where update-initramfs finds kernel versions? i've removed old kernel from /boot and now it complains: update-initramfs -u -> /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 does not exist. Cannot update. |
17:07.48 | lotofweed | i grepped /etc and /boot and didn't find anything |
17:07.56 | debiannoobie | jelly: now a kill -1 for dhclient? |
17:07.59 | lotofweed | man page also isn't helpful, nor is google |
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17:08.29 | jelly | debiannoobie: not sure that will by enough |
17:08.34 | jelly | be* enough |
17:08.35 | lotofweed | not is strace for that matter |
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17:08.41 | problame | <PROTECTED> |
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17:09.10 | problame | \/sys/fs/cgroups/memory is non-existent |
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17:09.34 | jelly | lotofweed: how did you remove it? uninstalled the package or something else? |
17:10.14 | problame | jelly: nope, didn't remove it actively. The machine is pristine, 30 min old, on digitalocean. |
17:10.15 | debiannoobie | i just edited /etc/default/grub and uncommented GRUB_GFXMODE=640x400 <-- i want to have the 80x25 resolution console... now do i update-grub or update-grub2 ? |
17:10.38 | debiannoobie | i am using the latest debian |
17:11.03 | jelly | problame: if you're using some other kernel now, you can safely "dpkg --remove linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" |
17:11.15 | jelly | or apt-get remove |
17:11.23 | lotofweed | jelly: i uninstalled the kernel via apt and then found this files in '/boot' an rm-ed them |
17:11.24 | muculus | I am behind firewall, and port 17371 is block by firewall. I want to add a key in apt, but it returns this error :http://paste.debian.net/160250/ how can I add it over port 80? |
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17:11.30 | problame | jelly: I didn't change the kernel. From what I can tell from the documentation, the standard Wheezy kernel shoudl support cgroups |
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17:11.52 | jelly | problame: sorry, miscompletion, that wasn't for you |
17:11.53 | problame | I figure the problem is that /sys/fs/cgroup/memory is not mounted |
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17:11.59 | problame | oh, ok |
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17:13.01 | jelly | lotofweed: so, uname -r still shows the old kernel (in other words, you're still booted in 3.2.0-4-amd64)? |
17:14.14 | jelly | lotofweed: use -k option for update-initramfs to tell it which kernel specifically to deal with |
17:14.25 | lotofweed | yes it shows |
17:14.29 | lotofweed | i'll try to reboot |
17:14.35 | jelly | good luck :-| |
17:14.59 | jelly | I don't like removing the last-known-good kernel |
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17:19.42 | debnoobie | how change console font? |
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17:20.57 | l3archos | hi there. Anyone can tell me what I have to look for when fn+f6 has no reaction on my Debian Jessie (gdm3) installation? normally this hotkey combination which is controlled by BIOS should toggle the touchpad (on/off). It's a Lenovo Z710 ideapad notebook, and "xev" or "acpi_listen" do NOT output anything when I press these keys. Other keys (e.g. fn+f10) are processed fine. |
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17:24.53 | anon12345 | I know this is kind of offtopic, but i have a problem with gnu nano |
17:24.58 | CHVNX | Iceweasel has been randomly crashing for the last week or so, on testing. Anyone else having issues? |
17:25.00 | anon12345 | It highlights spaces |
17:25.27 | anon12345 | when i type a space it looks like a green box |
17:25.33 | anon12345 | any solution? |
17:25.46 | anon12345 | using xterm with solarized colors, lscolors setup |
17:26.02 | CHVNX | Turn off caps lock, his insert, and check your nanorc for anything that looks weird |
17:26.07 | CHVNX | s/his/hit |
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17:27.17 | anon12345 | insert in nano does something different. dialog what file to insert from |
17:27.23 | debnoobie | anon12345: you should try joe as a text-based editor |
17:27.34 | anon12345 | i have never touched nanorc |
17:27.35 | abrotman | CHVNX: try it without plugins |
17:27.51 | anon12345 | i got the problem after i installed konsole to mess around with it |
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17:28.42 | CHVNX | anon12345: So, you're saying whitespaces are being highlighted? Am I correct? |
17:29.04 | jhutchins | !thinkpad |
17:29.05 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it (according to abrotman). Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
17:29.21 | anon12345 | is yes. i think so |
17:29.23 | CHVNX | anon12345: By default in the /usr/share/c.nanorc file "Trailing Whitespace" is turned on all the time. |
17:29.32 | CHVNX | Verify, and disable. |
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17:29.41 | anon12345 | but i didnt get it before. i will check |
17:30.02 | muculus | I am behind firewall, and port 17371 is block by firewall. I want to add a key in apt, but it returns this error :http://paste.debian.net/160250/ how can I add it over port 80? |
17:30.03 | CHVNX | Or whatever the nanorc file is called on your system |
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17:31.23 | anon12345 | hmm |
17:31.28 | debnoobie | how change console font? |
17:31.30 | anon12345 | i cant find nanorc |
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17:32.02 | anon12345 | debnoobie, what terminal emulator |
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17:34.32 | jelly | debnoobie: assuming you're talking about actual console, if you have a console font file like /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni3-TerminusBold20x10.psf.gz, you can "setfont Uni3-TerminusBold20x10" |
17:35.15 | anon12345 | he is probably using a terminal emulator with ubuntu terminology |
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17:35.55 | teraflops | ubuntu terminology? |
17:36.14 | debnoobie | thanks jelly |
17:36.41 | debnoobie | anon12345: i am on console, i know the difference, tyvm |
17:36.49 | debnoobie | wow kids nowadays |
17:37.04 | debnoobie | i am 37 years old, i been an amateur linux user since 1997, sonny |
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17:37.26 | jelly | debnoobie: it's hard to tell what a user may know in advance |
17:37.31 | anon12345 | i assumed you were a noob because of your username |
17:37.44 | anon12345 | also libastral broke |
17:38.49 | debnoobie | i am a noob, linux is just a hobby |
17:39.03 | debnoobie | it means i know little, but i know what the console is |
17:39.36 | anon12345 | today when somebody says they are a noob people assume they just came from windows or ubuntu |
17:39.40 | anon12345 | haooens much more often |
17:39.44 | anon12345 | *happens |
17:39.52 | debnoobie | ok |
17:39.55 | anon12345 | you probably have lots of knowledge |
17:40.07 | debnoobie | no, i told you, i am asking around how to change console font |
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17:40.42 | anon12345 | I think jelly answered it, also it was probably beaten to death on google |
17:40.55 | debnoobie | thats not the point |
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17:43.01 | anon12345 | we are not telepaths |
17:43.27 | jelly | some of us are, but that's not relevant. Let's drop the meta please, if you have further tech questions feel free to ask and answer |
17:43.41 | anon12345 | sure |
17:43.50 | debnoobie | anon12345: you said "he probably thinks he is on console, ubuntu terminology for x terminal emulator".. that was you being a dick |
17:44.06 | jelly | debnoobie: drop it. |
17:44.13 | anon12345 | kinda... i agree with you debnoobie |
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17:46.14 | l3archos | hi there. Anyone can tell me what I have to look for when fn+f6 has no reaction on my Debian Jessie (gdm3) installation? normally this hotkey combination which is controlled by BIOS should toggle the touchpad (on/off). It's a Lenovo Z710 ideapad notebook, and "xev" or "acpi_listen" do NOT output anything when I press these keys. Other keys (e.g. fn+f10) are processed fine. Any clues? is this a kernel bu |
17:46.20 | l3archos | g? |
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17:48.16 | jelly | l3archos: if the hardware is really new, it might take some time for weird acpi-based key events to be properly supported |
17:48.35 | debnoobie | l3archos: i would try to install any packages related to laptop, like task-laptop |
17:48.37 | l3archos | jelly: can I override or manually fix that somehow? |
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17:49.16 | average_man | debnoobie: do you want real genuine unix, try PCBSD, for servers use HP-UX,SOLARIS because they are origial research unix forks. |
17:49.20 | average_man | Linux is european clone of unix. |
17:49.25 | l3archos | what is task-laptop doing? |
17:49.38 | jelly | l3archos: who knows... you can try the old "newer kernel" routine |
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17:50.02 | l3archos | jelly: doesn't say anything to me, can you be more precise? |
17:50.24 | jelly | l3archos: boot newer kernel, see if things behave differently |
17:50.36 | jelly | ,kernels |
17:50.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
17:51.01 | jelly | l3archos: 3.19 from experimental ought to work on jessie |
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17:52.25 | l3archos | jelly: can I safely go back if something goes wrong? |
17:53.12 | jelly | l3archos: it installs next to the current kernel and you can pick one or the other in the boot loader menu |
17:53.15 | Stijn | ////// |
17:53.18 | Stijn | woops |
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17:58.32 | balin_ | Drawing on prior experience and a lot of googling, I have put together a script that makes a custom version of the stable netinst image (on a USB drive; http://pastie.org/10010026 ); the result boots the installer, but fails to trigger running with the preseeding I attempted to roll into it. What am I doing wrong? |
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18:02.35 | l3archos | jelly: can I easily just install a "newer" kernel to my existing one with "apt-get install ..." ? currently it seems I have "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" installed according to my dpkg query |
18:03.10 | l3archos | jelly: how do I install the 3.19. Kernel you suggested my to try? |
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18:05.56 | confucius | ls |
18:05.56 | confucius | pwd |
18:06.13 | abrotman | /home/confucius/ |
18:06.18 | srg | I'm trying to get DNSSEC validation configured. I'm using unbound. I have the unbound-anchor package installed. The site test.dnssec-or-not.com says I'm not using DNSSEC. What am I missing to enable it? |
18:06.36 | confucius | Opps new to irssi :p |
18:07.21 | srg | auto-trust-anchor-file is defined in /etc/unbound/unbound.conf.d/root-auto-trust-anchor-file.conf (from the unbound-anchor package) |
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18:10.13 | l3archos | srg: maybe #bind ? |
18:10.32 | jhutchins | l3archos: Yeah, but he's not running bind. |
18:10.48 | l3archos | oh sorry |
18:11.08 | jhutchins | srg: unbound is not a well known program, you'll have to find the documentation if it even supports dnssec. |
18:11.29 | srg | It does support DNSSEC validation. The `unbound-anchor` debian package provides the necessary key files for this |
18:11.39 | srg | I'll try #Unbound though |
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18:13.17 | l3archos | how can I install a newer experimental kernel for Jessie? |
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18:15.18 | abrotman | l3archos: I think jelly gave you that informatoin |
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18:16.15 | l3archos | yes, he told me about the experimental kernel and it might help in my case. But I am not sure HOW to install it. Did I miss anything? |
18:16.25 | l3archos | let me scroll back and check again ... |
18:17.12 | l3archos | he listed some kernels, but how do I get them installed? through "apt-cache search" I cannot find them. Do I need apt-pinning or something like that sort of crazy stuff? :) |
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18:17.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell l3archos about experimental |
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18:19.48 | l3archos | hmm... so I think I dont risk to install a newer experimental kernel from "sid". I have to wait till they fix the missing functionality (or bug) in the main kernel |
18:19.54 | jelly | forgot about the useful bit, sorry |
18:20.15 | jelly | l3archos: then you need to file a bug report, or it might never get fixed |
18:20.28 | Arrowmaster | i doubt theres even a newer kernel in sid right now |
18:21.12 | Arrowmaster | oh theres 3.19-trunk, thats still rather old now though |
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18:21.36 | jelly | l3archos: the kernel is a pretty isolated component and it's reasonably safe to try a newer one on testing |
18:21.39 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
18:21.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
18:22.38 | jelly | Arrowmaster: 3.20, sorry, 4.0 is not out yet so that's the last upstream release |
18:23.09 | Arrowmaster | oh for some reason i thought it had gotten higher than 3.20 before the decision to goto 4.0 |
18:23.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont pay that much attention to kernel announcements |
18:23.37 | l3archos | I am not sure if I understand how apt-pinning worked as described on https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel and I don't want to "break" my system because I don't have as much knowledge in apt-pinning |
18:24.00 | jelly | you don't even need pinning |
18:24.32 | jelly | enable only experimental, nothing else, update, and install the kernel package |
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18:41.55 | AkilesII | Hola/Hello |
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18:42.33 | AkilesII | Como estan todos, alguien ha logrado installar OpenStack en Debian 7 Utilizando solo paquetes oficiales ? |
18:42.53 | AkilesII | Corrijo: Como alguien ha logrado installar OpenStack en Debian 7 Utilizando solo paquetes oficiales de Debian? |
18:43.28 | AkilesII | Someona has sucessfully installed Openstak using only debian packages? |
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18:45.50 | waqstar | I find this weird. I run du -sh and see the directory using 16GB. When I cd to the dir to find the file/subdirectory using the space I get nothing even close.. Whats happening here!? |
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18:49.45 | valdyn | waqstar: a) deleted file still not released by some program or you are not looking at hidden files (start with ".") |
18:50.38 | waqstar | valdyn: hm. Took a look at the hidden files too. How do I check for deleted files which are not released yet? |
18:50.56 | valdyn | waqstar: lsof |
18:51.04 | waqstar | valdyn: thanks |
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18:51.25 | squisher | also: files with holes can use less space than the ls actually shows |
18:51.42 | valdyn | squisher: but that should be the reversed problem |
18:51.56 | squisher | oh oops, yes |
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18:52.05 | valdyn | like du shows less than ls |
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18:55.31 | Ademan | if I create a user with adduser --system, is there any way to log in as that user other than su-ing to root, then su-ing to the user? |
18:56.10 | valdyn | Ademan: its a system user, you are not supposed to log in as system user |
18:56.15 | valdyn | Ademan: so of course not |
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18:57.19 | Ademan | valdyn: good, I was just confirming, I didn't want to assume |
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19:05.19 | albru123 | Hi, anybody here have x11vnc init.d script? I don't know how to make one and can't find any on the internet |
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19:07.57 | eb0t | hey i cant do :hardcopy from vim |
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19:19.44 | preyalone | Help, my WD My Cloud Debian device won't let me ssh using keys, even though I've setup ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
19:19.58 | rububuap | fuck linux!!! |
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19:21.24 | ldon | preyalone, correct permissions on file and directory? |
19:22.01 | ldon | if not try chmod 0700 ~/.ssh -R && chown root:root ~/.ssh -R |
19:22.25 | ldon | change root to the corresponding user |
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19:22.56 | preyalone | My user account doesn't have a group yet |
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19:29.00 | Kasimir | Hi, can someone explain me what is the difference if during installation, I choose "Debian Desktop Environment" with "Xfce" or untick "Debian Desktop Environment" but still choose "Xfce"? |
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19:29.46 | phre4k | Xfce won't install goodies and additional applications |
19:30.25 | phre4k | Kasimir: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
19:30.37 | preyalone | If my sshd_config says "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys", should I place my .ssh/ in /root or /home/andrew ? |
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19:32.03 | abrotman | preyalone: %h is your user's $HOME |
19:32.03 | Kasimir | phre4k: what are those goodies and add. applications? |
19:32.38 | preyalone | My user's $HOME is currently /shares, but I hear I need to pick a folder with more limited group permissions |
19:32.47 | rububuap | here is some music mofoos https://soundcloud.com/djdragonfly/dragonfly-cheb-i-memorial-mix |
19:33.22 | phre4k | Kasimir: that's why I linked you tasksel. tasksel --task-packages desktop would list all the desktop packages. I'd have to research myself as I am not on Deb. right now |
19:34.01 | Kasimir | phre4k: but is it possible to do this during installation? or is it post-install? |
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19:34.56 | phre4k | Kasimir: Ctrl+Alt+F3 |
19:35.08 | Kasimir | phre4k: ah thanks |
19:35.25 | Kasimir | is it available in GUI too? |
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19:38.01 | preyalone | Okay, ssh key authentication is working for root, just not my non-root account. drwx------ 2 andrew andrew 4.0K Mar 8 14:35 .ssh -rwx------ 1 andrew andrew 409 Mar 8 14:35 authorized_keys |
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19:38.38 | preyalone | cat $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys ssh-rsa ... <email address> |
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19:42.49 | phre4k | Kasimir: not on install. Synaptic though. |
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19:59.05 | ponky | i tried to do this on a debian machine https://redmine.openinfosecfoundation.org/projects/suricata/wiki/Init_Scripts |
19:59.14 | ponky | but when i start the suricata service it just ignores the file |
19:59.24 | ponky | does debian handle .conf files under /etc/init differently? |
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19:59.34 | n0x90 | hi all |
20:01.36 | abrotman | ponky: Ubuntu isn't Debian .. |
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20:01.58 | ponky | abrotman: yes i know, but Debian also has .conf files under init |
20:02.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ponky about run at startup |
20:02.44 | ponky | abrotman: no help :P |
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20:04.16 | preyalone | Ah, when I created /home/andrew, I had neglected to remove group and other rwx permissions. Fixed! |
20:05.04 | abrotman | ponky: yes, it is |
20:06.08 | ponky | abrotman: i already have the script under init.d, but when i run it it ignores init/suricata.conf |
20:06.36 | abrotman | ponky: Did you check to see if your init script in /etc/init.d/ look in init/suricata.conf ? |
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20:10.54 | ponky | abrotman: nop, it doesnt |
20:11.12 | abrotman | ponky: seems like that might be an issue? |
20:12.19 | ponky | abrotman: i checked every script under init.d and none of them look for corresponding .conf under init |
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20:12.57 | ponky | abrotman: http://robert.penz.name/849/howto-setup-a-mikrotik-routeros-with-suricata-as-ids/ |
20:13.22 | ponky | here's the guide I followed, I know it's on Ubuntu but |
20:13.33 | ponky | everything else works, can you give me a hint for the init part |
20:13.39 | arcsky | is there any mangment tools like puppet but free? |
20:14.10 | abrotman | arcsky: Puppet |
20:15.01 | arcsky | not free? |
20:15.04 | arcsky | enterprice |
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20:15.31 | squisher | ,puppet |
20:15.32 | abrotman | arcsky: it is free |
20:15.38 | arcsky | ok |
20:15.51 | abrotman | arcsky: there is *also* an Enterprise version, but there's a free version |
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20:16.14 | abrotman | ponky: more I read that, I think it's meant just for Upstart, which you probably aren't using |
20:16.52 | abrotman | arcsky: Also, there's a wikipedia page about Configuration Management Systems |
20:17.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok peeps i need a music player, i got 500GB of music and i want it to read my tags in under 10 Min, over the network, 1Gb links |
20:17.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | which one can do that? for Nix.. |
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20:17.52 | nootachs | hi |
20:17.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause xbmc is being a PITA |
20:18.04 | ponky | abrotman: oh yeah, upstart :/ |
20:18.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i dont want to /wait/ |
20:18.12 | nootachs | is there a quick way to list "dpkg -l" without libraries? |
20:18.24 | ponky | abrotman: guess I need to write my own init script then? |
20:18.30 | abrotman | nootachs: dpkg -l | egrep -v "^lib" |
20:18.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | amarok? banshee? mpd? |
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20:18.43 | abrotman | ponky: see what the bot told you 20 minutes ago :) |
20:18.48 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: try them, let us know |
20:18.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i want i want dynamic play lists |
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20:19.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i have in the past and most of them sucked |
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20:19.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | banshee took Hours to load and then scanned at start up again and again |
20:19.26 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: xbmc is looking for the metadata online, is it not? |
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20:19.36 | nootachs | abrotman: that lists libraries too |
20:19.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | indeed, |
20:19.53 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: do you need that? |
20:19.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | but its not bogging me down when i want to start it up and play |
20:19.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | that would be nice, |
20:20.12 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: thats not going to happen within 10 minutes |
20:20.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got most of my tags, i dont need it to update them, |
20:20.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | but xbmc does it in the background, banshee didnt it like locked the player i think |
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20:20.30 | squisher | afaik xbmc sucks with huge libraries because it uses sqlite internally? |
20:20.41 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: im not sure what your problem is since xbmx would probably do this only once |
20:20.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | i used mysqld on another box for that, |
20:21.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | well xbmc, is having issues with my library for some reason and i want to play music now, |
20:21.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | with tags so i can make play lists dynamically |
20:22.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'll try amarok again |
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20:22.36 | abrotman | nootachs: whihc ones? |
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20:23.54 | nootachs | libedit2:amd64 | i386 and many others |
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20:26.19 | nootachs | but no hazzle its just 2000 packages. i sort that by hand |
20:26.27 | nootachs | sort that out i mean |
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20:28.04 | preyalone | What do I put for mdadm, "all" or "none", if I'm not sure whether my device, WD My Cloud (NOT the -EX2 version) even has raid arrays? |
20:28.34 | preyalone | Eh, I put "all", the default value |
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20:29.02 | frostschutz | preyalone, put where? |
20:29.13 | preyalone | In the configuration prompt during apt-get upgrade |
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20:30.41 | abrotman | nootachs: then you typed it wrong |
20:30.54 | nootachs | i copy and pasted :D |
20:31.21 | abrotman | nootachs: uh .. sorry, forgot about the ii |
20:31.40 | abrotman | nootachs: dpkg -l | egrep -v "^ii lib" |
20:31.53 | balin_ | I'm installing using the testing netinstaller (modified). My iwiwifi card is recognized, but the key exchange/association with the access point fails - I'm stuck. Where to look? |
20:32.04 | abrotman | nootachs: or use aptitude |
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20:32.34 | nootachs | now it works, thanks! |
20:33.00 | Boltsky | after a failed attempt to install a jessie package on a wheezy machine, dpkg seems to be broken and I can't figure out how to unbreak it: https://gist.github.com/chrisbolt/72434196c8bd85bbeaf4 |
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20:40.08 | preyalone | Help, `apt-get upgrade rsync` broke on jessie with "php5-apcu : Depends: phpapi-20121212+lfs but it is not installable" |
20:40.39 | abrotman | preyalone: pastebin your sources.list |
20:41.30 | preyalone | cat /etc/apt/sources.list https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wjJyJuGY/sources.list |
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20:43.16 | preyalone | apt-get -f install => error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/php5-apcu_4.0.7-1_armhf.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/etc/php5/mods-available/apcu.ini', which is also in package apache-php-webdav 02.00.01-154955 |
20:43.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell preyalone about overwrite |
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20:43.52 | abrotman | preyalone: mixing wheezy/jessie/sid is a recipe for disaster |
20:44.00 | abrotman | and experimental |
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20:53.32 | trysten | do i have to tell grub to read /boot/grub/grubenv? |
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20:53.57 | trysten | i'm trying to boot a newly installed kernel, but i can't seem to select the default entry before reboot |
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20:54.34 | trysten | i did grub-set-default 3 (which edits /boot/grub/grubenv) and update-grub after that |
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20:55.39 | preyalone | Frak. sudo apt-get upgrade rsync => trying to overwrite '/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server', which is also in package nfs 01.00.00-112580 libwrap.so.0: ELF load command alignment not page-aligned ... failed! |
20:55.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | taking forever to load music |
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20:56.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | but its going lol |
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21:02.48 | abrotman | preyalone: stop mixing versions of Debian |
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21:05.52 | trysten | well i went ahead and edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg and set the default to 3. after reboot the system is responding to ping but not ssh |
21:06.01 | trysten | well i went ahead and edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg and set the default to 3. after reboot the system is responding to ping but not ssh |
21:06.04 | trysten | sorry! |
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21:09.23 | preyalone | abrotman: I'm not mixing versions. sources.list only has jessie, the others are commented out |
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21:09.51 | abrotman | preyalone: so you've never used them? |
21:10.08 | preyalone | nope |
21:10.12 | abrotman | preyalone: then you should remove them |
21:10.29 | preyalone | This is how my WD My Cloud is configured fresh out of the box. |
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21:10.30 | abrotman | preyalone: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade |
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21:17.31 | trysten | what makes debian do the (give root password for maintenence or hit Ctrl+D) |
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21:25.18 | squisher | trysten, some early boot issues, like a failed fs check or unable to mount a fs |
21:25.43 | trysten | (recovery mode) is what did it i think. i set the default_entry to 3 instead of 2, forgetting the entries start at 0 |
21:26.07 | trysten | squisher: have you successfully used grub-set-default? it does not seem to work for me |
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21:26.51 | squisher | yes, that works. But your grub.cfg or rather /etc/default/grub must be setup correctly |
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21:27.15 | squisher | trysten, GRUB_DEFAULT="saved" |
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21:28.39 | trysten | so grub only reads grubenv if that is set to saved. well we need to put that in the manpage for grub-set-default because the default is GRUB_DEFAULT=0 |
21:28.40 | squisher | trysten, if you use that often: check out http://de.mcbf.net/david/grubchoosedefault/ |
21:29.09 | squisher | unfortunately the version in debian is hopelessly outdated, I really must get that fixed... |
21:29.26 | trysten | squisher: thanks |
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21:33.50 | cardiel | is the backup group used by debian, or can i use it for custom backups? |
21:34.06 | valdyn | cardiel: bothz |
21:34.10 | valdyn | cardiel: both |
21:34.36 | cardiel | valdyn, ok.. will use it then.. or is it more proper to create a new group for it? |
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21:36.04 | valdyn | https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups |
21:36.36 | valdyn | cardiel: if your pupose does not match what is said at that wiki, then i would defenitely make a new group |
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21:37.51 | cardiel | valdyn, im just going to use it for local users to backup to a specified dir.. so i suppose its better to create a new group |
21:37.53 | cardiel | thx |
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21:58.42 | Dan39 | hi, just ran a dist-upgrade on an ovh dedi running debian wheezy. it gave me these warnings, are they something to worry about, or no? http://dpaste.com/2VK573T |
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21:59.07 | Dan39 | Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05) |
21:59.31 | Dan39 | so the warnings dont even seem to be related to the ethernet controller the server has, unless im misunderstanding something |
22:00.03 | p-trust | hi what's the best and simple way to record video from a web-camera using netinst ? something with remote-admin for camera would be enough |
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22:02.36 | Lady06 | pls help me for phpmyadmin scanner barismayk@hotmail.com |
22:05.08 | bazhang | Lady06, stop asking |
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22:09.19 | chrislamp2 | <chrislamp2> hello guys! i have a problem with libreoffice 4 that i had not that in libreoffice 3 |
22:09.19 | chrislamp2 | <chrislamp2> when i made changes or navigate throught the document the navigator tab always refreshing |
22:09.19 | chrislamp2 | <chrislamp2> for example i have expand one branch in navigator and after made one change in document it is self refreshed, collapsing all the branches in navigator |
22:09.45 | abrotman | chrislamp2: which version of Linux? |
22:09.55 | chrislamp2 | jessie |
22:10.04 | abrotman | and you checked the BTS? and tried as a new user? |
22:10.30 | chrislamp2 | Version: 4.3.3.2 |
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22:10.41 | chrislamp2 | bts? |
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22:11.32 | abrotman | chrislamp2: bugs.debian.org |
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22:12.48 | nnin | Can anyone help me, identify the icon set of the folders in this picture http://www.m3ta4.net/hd/debian/partfive/32.png ? |
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22:16.03 | abrotman | nnin: havec you checked the gnome artwork site? |
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22:17.28 | nnin | abrotman: I don't know the theme's name |
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22:18.44 | nnin | abrotman looks like tango but not exactly |
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22:24.08 | Dan39 | hi, just ran a dist-upgrade on wheezy. it gave me these warnings, are they something to worry about, or no? http://dpaste.com/2VK573T |
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22:24.40 | mtn | Dan39: if you have those devices and want to use them, probably. if not, no |
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22:25.46 | Dan39 | Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05) |
22:25.52 | Dan39 | that doesnt seem to match the warnings |
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22:29.09 | abrotman | Dan39: so install the firmware? |
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22:29.59 | Dan39 | do i need to...? |
22:30.02 | Dan39 | :| |
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22:32.13 | abrotman | Dan39: only if you want those devices to work .. we just covered this |
22:32.23 | Dan39 | >_< |
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22:32.27 | Dan39 | what devices... |
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22:34.20 | teraflops | Dan39: does it not the usual fallback initramfs stuff, also how do you ask that? dont you know the hw youre using? those all are nics |
22:34.39 | Dan39 | >_< |
22:34.47 | Dan39 | i just said... twice... Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05) |
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22:35.15 | Dan39 | thats only NIC i see |
22:35.58 | abrotman | do you use it? |
22:36.10 | Dan39 | the intel gigabit nic? yes |
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22:36.35 | abrotman | then install the firmware |
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22:39.43 | Dan39 | how do i know if there is firmware for it in new kernel? the warnings seem to be for firmware for a different NIC |
22:39.46 | IvanZakourov | is "sudo" not installed by default in Debian? |
22:40.10 | mtn | IvanZakourov: correct |
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22:40.31 | mtn | !sudo |
22:40.31 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
22:40.31 | IvanZakourov | just to know, why it is not? |
22:40.48 | abrotman | because you did a minimal install |
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22:41.11 | dbc53 | i got a wireless adapter but i dont understand how to install the driver software, would any 1 be willing to help me please |
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22:41.52 | IvanZakourov | abrotman: ? I installed Debian Desktop Environment with Xfce and the "Basic packages" (end of the list), thing. |
22:42.10 | abrotman | it's not a required package |
22:42.13 | abrotman | judd: info sudo |
22:42.14 | judd | Package sudo (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. Version: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu1; Size: 830.8k; Installed: 1841k |
22:42.46 | IvanZakourov | abrotman: whats a not "minimal" install? |
22:43.47 | abrotman | IvanZakourov: if nothing in XFCE depends or recommends sudo, it won't be installed |
22:43.49 | teraflops | IvanZakourov: so imagine "yes" then someone could complain about why sudo gets instlled by default when installing xfce |
22:43.53 | dbc53 | can any 1 help me install my driver software i am clueless, i will give you a gift card plz |
22:43.54 | abrotman | doesn't understand why this is a bad thing |
22:43.54 | dbc53 | http://pastebin.com/BRKwTN4W |
22:43.59 | dbc53 | ^ those are the directions |
22:44.32 | IvanZakourov | got u guys, thanks |
22:44.36 | srg | dbc53: What driver for what card? There's no debian package for it? |
22:44.53 | abrotman | dbc53: which kernel do you have ? uname -a .. This driver is already in Debian |
22:44.55 | dbc53 | idk, i dont have internet |
22:44.56 | dbc53 | its a |
22:45.05 | IvanZakourov | For me sudo is kind of a basic thing which comes everywhere ^^ a bit just like "vi" |
22:45.20 | dbc53 | asus usb-n53 |
22:45.22 | srg | IvanZakourov: Try BSD, they love sudo |
22:45.25 | srg | (kidding, they hate it) |
22:45.30 | IvanZakourov | lol |
22:45.37 | abrotman | dbc53: which kernel? uname -r |
22:45.57 | dbc53 | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
22:46.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dbc53 about RT3572 |
22:46.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dbc53 about firmware images |
22:46.21 | IvanZakourov | "Gnome" requires sudo? |
22:46.53 | dbc53 | i have an install disk |
22:46.54 | dbc53 | its ok |
22:47.02 | dbc53 | for the firmware |
22:47.03 | abrotman | dbc53: the firmware package is all you need to install |
22:47.12 | mtn | IvanZakourov: no, it doesn't |
22:47.20 | dbc53 | i have "2011_1003_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.tar.bz2" |
22:47.24 | mtn | IvanZakourov: nothing requires sudo |
22:47.25 | dbc53 | how do i do that? |
22:47.31 | dbc53 | i do extract here |
22:47.36 | abrotman | dbc53: No, you're doing it wrong |
22:47.42 | dbc53 | oh |
22:47.56 | dbc53 | sorry |
22:48.19 | dbc53 | what do i do? |
22:48.24 | dbc53 | i typed |
22:48.50 | dbc53 | tar -jxvf 2011_1003_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.tar.bz2\ |
22:48.53 | dbc53 | in my terminal |
22:48.54 | dbc53 | and it says |
22:48.58 | abrotman | dbc53: have you read hte wiki page yet? |
22:49.01 | dbc53 | tar: error is not recoverable: exiting now |
22:49.19 | abrotman | dbc53: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
22:49.46 | dbc53 | i cant do update |
22:49.50 | dbc53 | or connect to the site |
22:49.52 | dbc53 | in the terminal |
22:49.57 | dbc53 | because it doesnt have internet |
22:49.57 | abrotman | dbc53: how are you IRCing now? |
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22:50.05 | dbc53 | on my laptop |
22:50.09 | abrotman | dbc53: Please stop hitting enter every third word, it's annoying |
22:50.13 | teraflops | dbc53: look here https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
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22:50.37 | dbc53 | for # Debian 7 "Wheezy" deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
22:50.40 | dbc53 | i need internet? |
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22:51.08 | abrotman | dbc53: This is why I pointed you at the installer that has the firmware already on it |
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22:51.41 | dbc53 | the other machine doesnt have internet though, however it came with an installation diskj |
22:51.48 | dbc53 | with 2011_1003_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.5.0.0.DPO.tar.bz2 |
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22:52.07 | abrotman | your laptop doesn't have internet? |
22:52.46 | dbc53 | it does |
22:52.47 | IvanZakourov | mtn: do you know how should I do to get into "tasksel" during installation process? |
22:52.58 | dbc53 | but the desktop |
22:53.02 | dbc53 | that i got that adapter for |
22:53.02 | dbc53 | doesnt |
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22:53.16 | mtn | IvanZakourov: not sure what you mean, it comes up during the install process |
22:53.28 | abrotman | dbc53: so use your laptop to prepare the installer with the firmware on a USB drive, and install the other system again |
22:53.30 | mtn | IvanZakourov: it is one of the steps |
22:53.42 | dbc53 | how do i do this? |
22:53.53 | abrotman | how did you prepare the installer last time? |
22:54.04 | dbc53 | it came with an installation disk |
22:54.11 | abrotman | Your computer came with Debian? |
22:54.14 | dbc53 | no |
22:54.17 | teraflops | ^ |
22:54.18 | abrotman | how did you prepare the installer last time? |
22:54.28 | dbc53 | i had wired internet |
22:54.33 | dbc53 | the last time |
22:54.36 | dbc53 | never used wireless |
22:54.39 | abrotman | gives up |
22:55.07 | dbc53 | plz |
22:55.41 | abrotman | you've been given more than enough informatoin to sovle this in multiple ways |
22:56.35 | IvanZakourov | mtn: thing is I would like to select the kind of packages I need during install, like say "I don't want games program" neither "VLC" or "Rythmnbox", need "Xfce" and "Basic utilities"... |
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22:57.31 | mtn | IvanZakourov: so, do a netinstall, skip the desktop, and then add what you want afterward |
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22:58.17 | edju | My fstab has the root and home partitions id'd by UUID, but df lists the home partition as sda5. Is that a problem? |
22:58.43 | mtn | edju: it shouldn't be a problem |
22:59.11 | edju | mtn, Good, the more I can ignore, the better. |
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23:04.46 | trysten | has a good laugh at abrotman trying to help the newbs |
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23:05.40 | trysten | abrotman: i know i've probably said this before, but you've been helping me learn for 4-5 years and i'm very grateful. this community owes you a debt of gratitude |
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23:06.24 | trysten | ls |
23:06.59 | abrotman | trysten: But I'm not your terminal :) |
23:07.05 | abrotman | trysten: Thanks |
23:07.08 | uniqdom | lol |
23:07.12 | trysten | now if us noobs could just learn to stop spamming the channel so bad |
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23:08.54 | phix | trysten: for i in /srv/tv/*/*.rar; do yes n | rar x -r $i; done |
23:10.07 | trysten | phix: i don't get the bash joke. does it mean: Watch tv? |
23:10.22 | likecolacola | is there a website or program so that two buddies can develop a program together while each one in their house? |
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23:10.40 | abrotman | likecolacola: A collaborative editor? |
23:10.49 | likecolacola | abrotman, yes, something like that :P |
23:10.50 | phix | trysten: no, just using you as a terminal :) I am trying to unrar a bunch of TV eps |
23:11.01 | abrotman | likecolacola: gabby and tomboy come to mind |
23:11.06 | phix | google docs |
23:11.11 | phix | :P |
23:11.11 | trysten | phix: echo hahahahaha |
23:11.20 | trysten | likecolacola: use screen -x |
23:11.35 | likecolacola | trysten, but then you have to take turns to write :/ |
23:11.40 | phix | yes, screen -x works wonders. unless one of you have their terminals very small |
23:11.41 | tomivs | Hi, I'm using Tor, but I can't open *.onion domains |
23:11.43 | phix | there is always one |
23:11.59 | phix | tomivs: No idea what any of that means |
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23:12.25 | trysten | phix: i'll get right on those rar's as soon as i'm done guaging the bogomips of my brain with this light beer |
23:12.56 | domovoy | beer! that's what i need |
23:13.32 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
23:13.46 | dvs | Newman? |
23:13.50 | domovoy | homemade beer would be nice, but that's not before a month from now :/ |
23:14.01 | phix | trysten: I tried that last night, but with the Kraken, it is tastey |
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23:14.55 | Emmanuel_Chanel | When the bug of libpam-smbpass will be fixed? I have this problem. So I removed libpm-smbpass from my Ubuntu server... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2246951&highlight=dovecot+auth+worker |
23:15.08 | phix | (trysten: http://www.krakenrum.com/ ) |
23:15.11 | abrotman | Emmanuel_Chanel: This is #debian, ask #ubuntu |
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23:15.24 | anon12345 | I need help |
23:15.26 | anon12345 | info in the pic |
23:15.27 | anon12345 | http://a.pomf.se/yyfaii.png |
23:15.34 | anon12345 | nano highlights spaces |
23:15.50 | phix | Emmanuel_Chanel: When will my package arrive in the mail? |
23:15.53 | trysten | laughs at anon12345 spastic pinky finger |
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23:16.22 | phix | anon12345: yes, nano does that |
23:16.34 | Emmanuel_Chanel | abrotman: It's a bug of libpam-smbpass |
23:16.34 | anon12345 | how do i disable it? |
23:16.41 | phix | anon12345: type in man nano and read to fix it |
23:16.44 | abrotman | Emmanuel_Chanel: in Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
23:16.44 | anon12345 | it didnt before |
23:17.00 | Emmanuel_Chanel | abrotman: Its upstream is Debian, I hear... |
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23:17.14 | abrotman | Emmanuel_Chanel: ask #ubuntu, it's their product |
23:17.15 | anon12345 | thats a big manpage |
23:17.20 | phix | Emmanuel_Chanel: then ubuntu gets their grubby hands on it |
23:17.30 | phix | Emmanuel_Chanel: they probably spilt coffee in it or something |
23:17.41 | abrotman | Emmanuel_Chanel: file a bug in their bug tracker. |
23:18.22 | anon12345 | also didnt find info in it |
23:19.34 | anon12345 | please help |
23:19.38 | themill | anon12345: you'll probably find it's only highlighting spaces at the end of a line -- you don't want them and you'll find lots of tools routinely either warn about them or remove them automatically |
23:19.40 | anon12345 | i know somebody already did it |
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23:20.30 | anon12345 | themill, thats all great but look at my screenshot, it will have things after the echo ofc and while im typing the line it is ultra annoying |
23:20.48 | themill | *shrug* |
23:21.47 | anon12345 | wow... am i really the only one here using nano and seeing this as a problem? |
23:22.01 | trysten | anon12345: i'm sure it's fixable. but i'm not going to fix it for you because i don't care about nano. if you were using vim.. |
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23:22.26 | anon12345 | vim is hard to learn |
23:22.27 | themill | anon12345: it's not a problem any more than syntax highlighting telling you that you've got an unmatched ` is a problem |
23:23.06 | anon12345 | try typing with this and see how much time it takes for you to flip out |
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23:23.34 | trysten | anon12345: i don't use nano, so it's not a problem for me. but friggin fine. hold on a second and i'll fix it for you |
23:23.35 | anon12345 | maybe its just me |
23:23.43 | anon12345 | thanks |
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23:34.15 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Sorry for mistaking... I got wrong that libpam-smbpass is originally a Debian package. |
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23:34.47 | dvs | Emmanuel_Chanel: but you're using it in Ubuntu |
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23:36.30 | trysten | dvs: i think Emmanuel_Chanel is saying that they were mistaken about debian being the upstream |
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23:39.21 | phix | any way |
23:39.24 | phix | Lets move on |
23:39.45 | phix | How about that weather, local sports team, political issue and Jessie? |
23:39.55 | dvs | dwells on the white and gold dress |
23:40.21 | phix | dvs: a bit too flamboyant |
23:40.28 | phix | unless that is what you are going for |
23:40.40 | dvs | heh |
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23:43.52 | MrDetonia | Hey all, I'm just learning how to use GNU screen but am having difficulty splitting windows vertically |
23:44.32 | MrDetonia | My keyboard is UK layout, which I think might have something to do with it; when I do 'C-a |' it prompts me to kill all windows and exit |
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23:45.13 | SynrGy | MrDetonia: that's C-a \ |
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23:45.47 | MrDetonia | facepalms |
23:45.51 | trysten | dvs: you mean blue and black roight |
23:45.55 | MrDetonia | SynrGy: Thanks for that :P |
23:46.09 | dvs | !prize trysten |
23:46.10 | dpkg | gives trysten a yogi pin. |
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23:53.56 | anon12345 | does anybody know a lightweight tool that will turn a webcam into an ipcam? |
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23:54.43 | d[^_^]b | 'motion' |
23:55.10 | trysten | wat |
23:55.49 | trysten | should it be possible for wheezy-backports to have an older version of a package than wheezy-main? |
23:56.11 | anon12345 | with debian packages, everything is possible |
23:56.17 | anon12345 | stable = 10 year old packages |
23:56.31 | anon12345 | testing = only half of the repos |
23:56.50 | anon12345 | sid = breakage |
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23:57.21 | d[^_^]b | it's better than gentoo where everything is breakage |
23:57.32 | jelly | anon12345: and the worst thing is, their ops will kick you when you merely whine |
23:57.46 | anon12345 | really? i heard it was fairly stable |
23:57.59 | anon12345 | i mean gentoo |
23:58.00 | d[^_^]b | gentoo is a rolling release |
23:58.00 | abrotman | trysten: such as? |
23:58.13 | d[^_^]b | if you don't update for a year things can get very hairy |
23:58.39 | anon12345 | yeah, ik its rolling, but dont they have any testing before putting the packages in the main repos? |
23:58.49 | d[^_^]b | not enough |
23:59.37 | d[^_^]b | i'm having a rough time with iscsi+luks |
23:59.50 | d[^_^]b | on debian and ubuntu both, damn |
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