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| 00:00.47 | ctmjr | !seen dpkg |
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| 00:03.49 | abrotman | ctmjr: bot will be back later |
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| 00:03.55 | abrotman | ctmjr: use dselect in the mean time |
| 00:04.22 | qwebirc92690 | hello, i'm trying to install MariaDB on LMDE |
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| 00:04.44 | reisio | qwebirc92690: try harder :) |
| 00:04.50 | qwebirc92690 | i add debian rep, but im getting this error: http://server.fhettinga.nl/error.txt |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | qwebirc92690: you want the Mint support channel |
| 00:05.59 | abrotman | dselect: tell qwebirc92690 about lmde |
| 00:06.20 | reisio | qwebirc92690: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MySQL/MariaDBPlan#Binaries_for_public_testing |
| 00:06.27 | bazhang | #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org qwebirc92690 |
| 00:06.48 | ctmjr | abrotman: ok thank you |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | reisio: LMDE is not supported here |
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| 00:07.04 | abrotman | reisio: feel free to join qwebirc92690 in the LMDE support channel |
| 00:07.30 | barntzen | sighs |
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| 00:14.26 | wsky | anyone else got invited? |
| 00:14.31 | abrotman | to what? |
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| 00:15.09 | abrotman | i can see .. thanks |
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| 00:15.21 | preseedcfg | Looking for some help regarding a d-i/preseed.cfg file : using the 7.2 DVD Set, I'd like to skip the 'Scan for another media (DVD 2 & 3)' question. This step doesn't seem to have a preseed option available. Everything needed for this 'offline' install is on the 1st DVD. This step is the only I can't automate. Anyone ? |
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| 00:18.30 | reisio | I'm sure you can find the source for that somewhere |
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| 00:20.03 | somiaj | preseedcfg: maybe check out 'man apt-cdrom' that is probabaly what is asking for the other dvd's |
| 00:21.03 | somiaj | hmm, nope i don't see anything that would be useful in the apt-cdrom man-page |
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| 00:25.10 | preseedcfg | somiaj: took a look at the man page. That won't do it, but thanks. I appreciate it |
| 00:25.17 | Walex | if someone has been using User Mode Linux, and in particular 'pbuilder-uml', please let me know how the performance feels like. |
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| 00:26.01 | Walex | apparently recentish versions of UML have pretty good overall performance, with low paravirtualization overheads. Is that a reasonable notion? |
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| 00:26.13 | somiaj | preseedcfg: the only other thing I can think of is since you are using the same dvd you could scan it, set up the apt database, and just copy that data base over and skip the whole scan the dvd in teh first place. I haven't messed with preseeds but this is just a thought. |
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| 00:30.14 | preseedcfg | somiaj: I'll take a look at that. I'm so close to having a fully automated install from 'insert CD' and 'auto-reboot' at the end. This question is the only one messing it ! |
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| 00:32.57 | somiaj | preseedcfg: there is #debain-boot and #debian-installer on irc.oftc.net. From the wiki ti would seem #debain-boot may be a good place to see if someone is more familar with teh install nad various options. |
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| 00:34.47 | preseedcfg | somiaj: thanks ! I'll pay a visit |
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| 00:38.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 00:38.02 | dpkg | Since Wed Dec 4 00:35:12 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2m 50s this session, and currently reference 39902 factoids. I'm using about 29296 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.58/0.14 child 0/0 |
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| 00:46.30 | Akuw | hi |
| 00:46.43 | reisio | heya |
| 00:46.54 | Akuw | what application is there to design interfaces like i am using a pencil |
| 00:47.00 | Akuw | like drawing |
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| 00:48.40 | tech10171968 | finally! my damned client works! |
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| 00:52.40 | tech10171968 | pain in the arse to set up, but beautifulonce you have it running |
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| 01:08.55 | preseedcfg | somiaj : your direction (debian-boot) helped a lot ! Thanks again. Have a good one :) |
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| 01:12.43 | john_rambo | While watching a video on youtube after a while first the screen goes black then the monitor goes into power saving mode........How to stop this ? I checked the power options but found nothing enabled |
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| 01:16.51 | tech10171968 | @john_rambo, what DE are you using? Just Curious |
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| 01:17.07 | Amtrask | Hello all. What is the default Debian Linux kernel version? (I don't have a running box to run uname on) |
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| 01:17.27 | john_rambo | tech10171968, Gnome 3 |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell john_rambo about blank |
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| 01:28.57 | k-man | i'm running debian as a guest in vmware workstaion, on a win7 host. what do i have to do to get the vm's screen to resize properly? and how do i make copy/pate work between the two? |
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| 01:30.41 | SlitazMint | k-man, Since v4.1.22 the clipboard defaults to disabled. You must explicitly enable it by going to <Settings>|General|Advanced and setting Shared Clipboard to "Bidirectional". And of course the GAs must be installed in each guest. |
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| 01:31.23 | pirret | k-man: install vmware tools |
| 01:31.26 | pirret | on guest |
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| 01:32.05 | zykotick9 | notes vmware is not a debian package, and thus isn't really "supported" in #d |
| 01:32.12 | k-man | SlitazMint, are you refering to workstation or ESXi? |
| 01:32.32 | k-man | pirret, i thought debian comes with openvm tools that is supposed to do that rather than vmware tools? |
| 01:32.37 | Guest53019 | DE-BIAN |
| 01:32.43 | Guest53019 | is debian made in GERmany? |
| 01:32.45 | reisio | k-man: install them |
| 01:32.50 | k-man | zykotick9, ok noted. am I forbidden to ask or discuss it here? |
| 01:32.53 | reisio | Guest53019: people from all over the world make Debian |
| 01:33.00 | Guest53019 | no.. |
| 01:33.04 | Guest53019 | its DE-bian.. |
| 01:33.08 | Guest53019 | DE-Deutchland |
| 01:33.12 | reisio | Guest53019: the name comes from the founder's name, and his girlfriend's name, combinéd |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | you should probalby just ignore the troll |
| 01:33.33 | Guest53019 | huh |
| 01:33.39 | Guest53019 | his gf name was Debbie? |
| 01:33.48 | k-man | Deborah and Ian iirc? |
| 01:33.52 | Guest53019 | and hisname Ian |
| 01:33.56 | reisio | Debra* |
| 01:33.57 | pirret | how fucking lame is that :P to name operating system after your gf |
| 01:34.06 | reisio | it's pretty cool, if you're a geek |
| 01:34.10 | Guest53019 | i bet she was fat with big tits |
| 01:34.11 | reisio | but probably a bit sore now that they're split |
| 01:34.18 | Guest53019 | lol |
| 01:34.18 | pirret | mmh |
| 01:34.28 | reisio | I think Murdock doesn't spend time doing one thing too long anyways though |
| 01:34.35 | SlitazMint | k-man, so sorry I thought this was #vbox |
| 01:34.38 | Guest53019 | how about Windows |
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| 01:34.55 | abrotman | Guest53019: that's quite enough. |
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| 01:36.39 | Amtrask | somiaj thank you |
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| 01:59.28 | SirvK | I can't get gnome to work since I switched to a new graphics card, previous was nvidia and now I have a radeon, I just did a fresh install of debian. |
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| 01:59.57 | reisio | SirvK: why'd you do a fresh install? |
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| 02:00.16 | SirvK | I read that the drivers cause conflicts |
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| 02:00.40 | k_sze[work] | The /etc/localtime on our system is somehow not a symlink to the tz file under /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
| 02:00.52 | k_sze[work] | (we're running wheezy) |
| 02:00.55 | k_sze[work] | Is that normal? |
| 02:01.06 | k_sze[work] | I thought it's supposed to be a symlink since Sarge? |
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| 02:01.39 | abrotman | mine is not a smymlink |
| 02:01.51 | reisio | SirvK: you needn't have reinstalled :) FFR |
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| 02:02.09 | reisio | SirvK: what happens when you try to get into GNOME? |
| 02:02.12 | SirvK | Oh well, what now though? |
| 02:02.26 | reisio | now we fix it |
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| 02:03.28 | SirvK | well I just boot into debian and the interface is broken |
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| 02:03.39 | SirvK | the hot corner on the top left doesnt work |
| 02:03.39 | reisio | broken? |
| 02:03.56 | SirvK | windows key does nothing |
| 02:04.28 | SirvK | empathy won't run, too |
| 02:04.58 | reisio | does windows key normally do something? |
| 02:05.18 | k_sze[work] | Is it usually ok for lines to begin with spaces in /etc/crontab (so I can align the entries nicely)? |
| 02:05.19 | SirvK | same function as the top left hot corner |
| 02:05.22 | themill | k_sze[work]: it was a symlink in about 2007. Hasn't been for a long time |
| 02:06.00 | SirvK | pretty cool cause i can type windows, t, enter and open a terminal for example |
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| 02:06.37 | dondelelcaro | k_sze[work]: because /usr can be on a separate filesytem, and you need a working TZ fairly early in boot, it's not a symlink. |
| 02:06.56 | k_sze[work] | dondelelcaro: I see. Makes sense. |
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| 02:07.37 | reisio | k_sze[work]: wouldn't surprise me if whitespace makes no difference; easily tested |
| 02:07.39 | pero | i'm trying to hide some of the automounted volumes in the file manager, but they're not in fstab... |
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| 02:10.00 | k_sze[work] | reisio: yeah, just found the right man page |
| 02:10.10 | k_sze[work] | I was reading crontab(8) and scratching my head. |
| 02:10.30 | reisio | 5? :) |
| 02:10.39 | k_sze[work] | yep, crontab(5) is the right one. |
| 02:10.43 | reisio | pero: if they were in fstab, you could hide them :) |
| 02:11.17 | pero | reisio: but they're mounted?! |
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| 02:11.55 | reisio | pero: hrmm? |
| 02:12.26 | pero | there are 3 volumes automounted in the filemanager that don' |
| 02:12.32 | pero | t appear in fstab |
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| 02:23.00 | k_sze[work] | Actually I think I really should be using crontab(8) |
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| 02:25.07 | Amtrask | Hello, my new computer needs the Linux module r8169, but Debian installer does not have this available. Is there a way to feed this into the installer so I can do a normal Debian install? Where can I get that module? |
| 02:25.19 | Amtrask | It's a Realtek ethernet driver, I should point out |
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| 02:25.40 | AlexLikeRock | one moment Amtrask |
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| 02:27.13 | AlexLikeRock | Amtrask, https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 02:28.14 | Amtrask | thank you AlexLikeRock, but those solutions assume I have a functioning network on the machine in question :( |
| 02:28.15 | AlexLikeRock | Amtrask, sorry i confuse :-S |
| 02:28.19 | dvs | AlexLikeRock: Those are wireless drivers |
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| 02:28.49 | AlexLikeRock | 8169 whit 819x |
| 02:29.03 | dvs | Amtrask: r8169 comes with the default kernel |
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| 02:35.06 | Amtrask | dvs okay, this is odd. I'm getting the same error on the installer as before, it says it needs firmware files: rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw , but the ethernet port works fine if I just ignore that and keep going. As far as I can tell, the ethernet port is the only network port on the machine, so I'm confused too |
| 02:35.39 | Penix | Amtrask: you won't need firmware. if it works, then just ignore the firmware message |
| 02:35.46 | dvs | exactly |
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| 02:36.16 | Amtrask | Alright... thanks, that solves that then. But what is it complaining about if it works? |
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| 02:44.09 | tripelb | Hi. I am a woman and am setting SHITAKI (euphamism) from the #ubuntu gents. I have a simple problem and they all have complex minds. whould you be so kind as to indulge me and lsten to my question> |
| 02:44.35 | reisio | tripelb: k |
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| 02:45.17 | tripelb | I have a gnome-classic install and I have no trash icon. (maybe I should but shrug) and I do not know how to access the trash. -- My PROBLEM is that I dont know how to release the trash. Should I jsut roboot? |
| 02:45.47 | tripelb | I got up to only 1.3GB free space and I cant even use a browser, lol. |
| 02:46.07 | tripelb | I am ok with terminal basic commands. |
| 02:46.12 | reisio | tripelb: it's in ~/.local probs |
| 02:46.21 | reisio | ~/.local/share/Trash |
| 02:46.22 | apt | rumour has it, /.local/share/trash is still were things are supposed to be. |
| 02:46.26 | tripelb | I'll look there |
| 02:46.37 | reisio | ~/.local/share/Trash |
| 02:46.37 | apt | from memory, /.local/share/trash is still were things are supposed to be. |
| 02:46.41 | reisio | rolls eyes |
| 02:46.44 | themill | apt: shush |
| 02:46.44 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 02:46.50 | reisio | apt: cookie |
| 02:46.59 | reisio | interesting |
| 02:47.32 | reisio | tripelb: 1.3 should be plenty for running almost any app, though |
| 02:47.52 | zophy | run nautilus, trash should show up in the left panel |
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| 02:48.56 | themill | tripelb: btw, you *were* given the answer in #ubuntu and you were also asked to provide additional information in a pastebin and refused to do so. I wouldn't wander around criticising #ubuntu for that. If you don't think #ubuntu answered a question, please tru ##linux not #debian. |
| 02:49.28 | tripelb | zophy it doesnt show up there. I've had some problems with this install. Maybe that's one of them. Right now ---> ls ~/.local/share/trash ls ~/.local/share/trash |
| 02:49.31 | reisio | I wish ubuntu still had nudity |
| 02:49.33 | Penix | and where the hell did gender come in to it... |
| 02:49.42 | tripelb | sorry, this ls: cannot access /home/tovah/.local/share/trash: No such file or directory |
| 02:49.55 | Penix | tripelb: uppercase T |
| 02:49.57 | tripelb | Penix, if not applicable just ignore it. |
| 02:50.04 | tripelb | oh TEE |
| 02:50.29 | tripelb | yes it's there, expunged files info |
| 02:50.46 | tripelb | sorry I copypasted from apt, np |
| 02:51.24 | Penix | apt: silly |
| 02:51.25 | apt | silly is probably 'a good question, the answer to which is "yes, i am"' |
| 02:51.54 | zophy | apt: wheezy |
| 02:51.54 | apt | somebody said wheezy was what fire_hawk thinks Debian 3.0 should be dubbed; Wheezy is the toy penguin from Toy Story 2. |
| 02:51.54 | tripelb | me too apt. what do I do now to empty my trash? |
| 02:52.26 | zophy | penixguin |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | can we stop with the bot? |
| 02:53.48 | Penix | tripelb: remove some files in there, I guess |
| 02:55.02 | zophy | maybe apt should be decommissioned |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | or just don't play with it? |
| 02:55.22 | zophy | dpkg has up to date infos |
| 02:55.23 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, zophy |
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| 02:56.25 | tripelb | ok I did rm -rf ~/.Trash/* and the df -h and I still have too much fullness. thanks |
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| 02:57.25 | Penix | tripelb: ~/.Trash or ~/.local/share/Trash? |
| 02:57.57 | k_sze[work] | Is Vixie Cron supposed to do tilde expansion? |
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| 02:58.27 | zophy | the shell does tilde expansion |
| 02:59.40 | k_sze[work] | zophy: when I edit my personal crontab using crontab(1), does it use my shell defined in /etc/passwd or does it use the default /bin/sh (unless I set SHELL=/bin/bash)? |
| 03:00.07 | k_sze[work] | In any case, /bin/sh should still expand tilde, no? |
| 03:00.33 | zykotick9 | k_sze[work]: in cron, it's probably best to consider it to have NO environment variables at all - use full paths |
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| 03:00.52 | zophy | wow |
| 03:01.00 | rryoumaa | k_sze[work]: original sh did not |
| 03:01.11 | zophy | just discovered ~+ |
| 03:01.16 | k_sze[work] | o.o |
| 03:01.18 | k_sze[work] | let me try |
| 03:02.17 | k_sze[work] | it looks like /bin/sh in wheezy does expand tilde anywya. |
| 03:02.20 | jelly-home | k_sze[work]: there's a comment of when /bin/sh gets used in man 5 crontab |
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| 03:02.51 | jelly-home | a comment on* |
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| 03:04.40 | jelly-home | or maybe I dreamt it |
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| 03:05.07 | karlpinc | Does debian have some package to watch for ssl cert expiration? I've been poking about debtags and can't find one. |
| 03:05.37 | zophy | k_sze[work], PATH=~/bin:/usr/bin/:/bin |
| 03:06.16 | zophy | aha, you can set environment variables in the crontsb file and use |
| 03:06.17 | zophy | ` |
| 03:06.26 | zophy | ~ |
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| 03:06.30 | zophy | the tilde |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | karlpinc: there are numerous scripts on the internet for this |
| 03:06.48 | k_sze[work] | I think I just found out why my crontab didn't work. :) |
| 03:07.21 | karlpinc | abrotman: Yah. I've got one I wrote myself ages ago. But you know. Standard is better than better. Be nice to have one packaged up that somebody else maintains. |
| 03:07.24 | k_sze[work] | */2 * * * * means every 30 seconds?? |
| 03:07.37 | karlpinc | k_sze[work]: Every other minute. |
| 03:07.49 | k_sze[work] | ah |
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| 03:09.38 | zophy | there used to be some good web pages that would generate crontab entries for you |
| 03:10.06 | zophy | i always used them, i never understood cron entries |
| 03:11.07 | karlpinc | zophy: man 5 crontab Nothing like reading the instructions. |
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| 03:11.35 | abrotman | it's not a difficult man page |
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| 03:11.58 | rryoumaa | true |
| 03:12.03 | k_sze[work] | You know how, in bash, you can set an environment variable just for a single command? |
| 03:12.10 | karlpinc | But, a bit difficult to find unless you've also read "man man", because otherwise you'll get the crontab command, not the file format. |
| 03:12.18 | jelly-home | k_sze[work]: in bash or in crontab? |
| 03:12.20 | rryoumaa | rsync, bash, and git are worse |
| 03:12.22 | k_sze[work] | like `IFS=$'\n' do_something` |
| 03:12.38 | jelly-home | k_sze[work]: that works in bash. |
| 03:12.45 | k_sze[work] | jelly-home: can I do the same thing in the command in crontab? |
| 03:12.54 | rryoumaa | yes |
| 03:13.04 | k_sze[work] | if I specify SHELL=/bin/bash beforehand, especially. |
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| 03:13.26 | karlpinc | k_sze[work]: cron runs it's commands in a shell. |
| 03:13.34 | abrotman | karlpinc: it has a see also at the bottom |
| 03:13.39 | k_sze[work] | Then I wonder why my crontab entry is still not working. |
| 03:13.51 | k_sze[work] | I copy the command into bash and it works. |
| 03:13.57 | jelly-home | k_sze[work]: don't know, just set up env.vars the way crontab(5) tells you to -- on a separate line before the job, and remember there's no $ expansion for env.vars there |
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| 03:14.08 | abrotman | k_sze[work]: use the full path to the binary is a good start |
| 03:14.10 | dvs | k_sze[work]: There is no PATH in a cron entry |
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| 03:14.42 | karlpinc | abrotman: You still have to know that crontab(5) means "man 5 crontab". Some people just don't have a Unix gene. |
| 03:14.44 | karlpinc | :) |
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| 03:15.20 | k_sze[work] | abrotman: the problem is that they usually say crontab(5) |
| 03:15.28 | k_sze[work] | but you can't do `man crontab(5)` |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | it's not hard .. |
| 03:15.43 | k_sze[work] | most new users don't know that it's supposed to be `man 5 crontab` |
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| 03:16.37 | k_sze[work] | And they are left scratching their heads. |
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| 03:17.07 | zophy | yes, sometimes i scratch something |
| 03:17.21 | k_sze[work] | Anyway, back to my problem. |
| 03:17.22 | karlpinc | abrotman: The hard part is between keyboard and chair -- especially when you feel like you're all alone. There's nothing like being able to get a clue when you don't even know you're clueless. Hence, #debian. Ta-Da! |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | I learned, can't be that hard? :) |
| 03:17.39 | k_sze[work] | The command runs when I paste it directly in bash, but not when I put it in my crontab. |
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| 03:17.55 | zophy | omg |
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| 03:18.12 | k_sze[work] | I tail /var/log/syslog and see that the cron daemon does reload my crontab after I edit it. |
| 03:18.25 | k_sze[work] | But there's no sign of cron attempting to run the entry. |
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| 03:18.49 | abrotman | we already covered that ? |
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| 03:19.15 | k_sze[work] | Which is? |
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| 03:20.40 | zophy | put PATH=/your/desired/path/setting |
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| 03:20.47 | zophy | in the crontab |
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| 03:21.23 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 03:21.44 | dvs | that's my line! |
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| 03:22.12 | rryoumaa | i do m-x man ret crontab ret, and it shows crontab(1). i then tab and it goes to SEE ALSO |
| 03:22.12 | rryoumaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.22 | rryoumaa | and ret on that goes to it |
| 03:22.31 | rryoumaa | of course, man 5 works also |
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| 03:23.24 | jelly-home | different OS, we're talking debian not emacs |
| 03:23.28 | k_sze[work] | Is it possible to get the stdout of the crontab entry? |
| 03:23.38 | k_sze[work] | (and stderr, maybe) |
| 03:23.50 | k_sze[work] | I suspect the problem is not with PATH. |
| 03:24.03 | jelly-home | k_sze[work]: it gets sent by mail if you have a MTA installed |
| 03:24.04 | k_sze[work] | because the path to the command is relative to ~ |
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| 03:25.44 | Okee | Does anyone have experience with data recovery? I am running linuxmint-debian, and wondering if Deskdisc64 is a good tool? http://testdisk-64.en.lo4d.com/screenshots I have testdisc64 installed on the adjacent problem machine, but don't find the same screen shots that are showing up at the url referenced above. When the program is running, and the #appears, I typed mount sdb5, and it came |
| 03:25.44 | Okee | back with an error message that sdb5 is not in the /etc/fstab What does this mean? And what do I do? |
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| 03:26.23 | dvs | !mint |
| 03:26.23 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 03:27.10 | Okee | I am using the debian edition of mint. |
| 03:27.33 | tripelb2 | Thanks for the help. I felt I needed to reboot in case that cleared the trash, which it did not. I had cleared the wrong Trash directory (following someones instructions) Here's what worked.... <tripelb2> To recap. I neded to know where the trash was, how to remove it and how to see thta I had done it. $ rm -rf ~/.Trash/*^C |
| 03:27.33 | tripelb2 | <tripelb2> tovah@viewfs-DE051:~$ rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash [answers the first two] and df -h [the last] Here was my solution. |
| 03:28.27 | tripelb2 | (there's a bit of extra after "done it" to the end of the line, oops. |
| 03:29.22 | dvs | Okee: It's not Debian, it's mint |
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| 03:30.46 | Okee | ok. I thought it was debian suffering from an identity crisis, but I am not a shrink. |
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| 03:41.16 | zophy | what is the canonical debian commandline audio file player ? |
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| 03:41.36 | dvs | aplay? |
| 03:41.59 | zophy | thatg might be it |
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| 03:45.09 | zophy | oh, "sox" is the program i was thinking of |
| 03:45.56 | bl4ckdu5t | I can't receive files from bluetooth devices, i can only send |
| 03:46.13 | zophy | http://sox.sourceforge.net/Docs/Features |
| 03:46.35 | zophy | those are my requirements for a basic commandline audio player |
| 03:46.40 | stew | zophy: sox is the converter, "play" is the player that comes with sox |
| 03:46.50 | bl4ckdu5t | How can this be fixed |
| 03:47.08 | zophy | stew, exactly ! thanks |
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| 03:50.06 | bl4ckdu5t | !tell me about bluetooth |
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| 03:57.04 | sabotender | i'm trying to change permissions for an entire directory |
| 03:57.14 | sabotender | can anyone help? |
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| 03:57.44 | zykotick9 | sabotender: is this on a fat/ntfs partition? |
| 03:58.22 | sabotender | zykotick9: nosir, its on debian |
| 03:58.35 | Penix | sabotender: man chmod |
| 03:58.42 | sabotender | on other operating systems I don't usually have to worry about pepermissions |
| 03:58.55 | sabotender | *permissions |
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| 03:59.05 | zykotick9 | sabotender: can i ask what directory? or why? |
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| 04:00.34 | sabotender | the directory is not important, but it was a program that was downloaded from the internet which has a set of applications I need to execute and am getting permission denied |
| 04:01.05 | zykotick9 | sabotender: ok. well, i'm not going to offer any further advice. best of luck. |
| 04:01.25 | sabotender | it's really disconcerting. I am not even sure where I am supposed to put appliations as there is no 'programs' or 'applications' directory. |
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| 04:03.56 | Penix | sabotender: sounds like you should probably google a guide that will explain some basic linux/unix concepts and details |
| 04:04.05 | sabotender | oh..that's fine. I will try a different network. Odds are there's someone who will be helpful |
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| 04:04.47 | zykotick9 | sabotender: i'm just 1 person in this channel... there are others?! |
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| 04:05.22 | Penix | zykotick9: no. sshhh. go to sleep |
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| 04:09.25 | sabotender | ...so much for the 'kind and helpful linux community'. I really don't understand the logic people use when they make the effort to tell someone in not so many words that they don't want to help them. Wouldn't it be better, to save you more time, to not say anything at all? Seems like a lot of L337 d-baggery to me. I think I will try a different network. I am doing my best to learn this |
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| 04:11.29 | Tramp | "give me a fuse" - "what kind of fuse" - "none of your business" |
| 04:12.17 | Penix | could see that coming from a mile away |
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| 04:14.45 | un214 | unzip: archive appears to use backslashes as directory separator characters |
| 04:14.56 | un214 | well yes it does. any way to extract this without making a mess? |
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| 04:28.25 | yeyeman | what's the difference between debian and debian-update in the download section? |
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| 04:54.10 | nagchampa | is there a way to run a script after a particular package is updated? |
| 04:54.17 | nagchampa | a hook for apt or dpkg? |
| 04:55.52 | squisher | nagchampa, not afaik -- what do you want to achieve? |
| 04:55.57 | nagchampa | o |
| 04:56.18 | nagchampa | squisher: i've got a package that installs an apache configuration, but i need to modify the virtual host configuration |
| 04:56.49 | nagchampa | unfortunately, their config doesn't allow .htaccess, and i can't find a way with apache to modify a pre-configured virtualhost |
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| 04:57.13 | nagchampa | i need to add a modrewrite rule to the vhost's config, but it gets overwritten when i update the package |
| 04:57.37 | buu | nagchampa: Which package is overwriting vhost configs? This seems like a bug in the package |
| 04:57.58 | nagchampa | it's an external package, not part of the debian repositories |
| 04:58.02 | buu | =[ |
| 04:58.27 | nagchampa | it's probably buggy, but if there was an apt or dpkg hook i could use to have it call a script after that package is updated, i could work with that |
| 04:58.37 | nagchampa | otherwise, i'm just gonna have to do it manually after each update |
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| 04:59.28 | squisher | nagchampa, I'd say bug the package creator |
| 04:59.41 | squisher | because overwriting config is really terrible practice |
| 05:00.16 | nagchampa | yeah, it's a bit frustrating |
| 05:00.20 | nagchampa | thanks anyway |
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| 05:02.24 | Rusty1 | nagchampa: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html FWIW might be able to hack the postinst |
| 05:04.18 | squisher | yes, with some nice extracting package contents, modify script, and repackage contents ;-) |
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| 05:06.55 | stew | nagchampa: man apt.conf should tell you about adding a post-update or post-invoke script |
| 05:07.19 | nagchampa | thanks guys |
| 05:07.22 | stew | nagchampa: (which will run after ANY package is updated, have your script determine if it is one for which you want to take an action) |
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| 05:23.49 | zmanji | if I am on wheezy and I want to install a package from sid because it is the version I need, can I do that safely? |
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| 05:24.14 | Guest53019 | is |
| 05:24.25 | zykotic10 | !tell zmanji about ssb |
| 05:24.27 | Guest53019 | is DEBIAN made in DEutchland ? |
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| 05:24.35 | Guest53019 | DE-bian DE-utchland |
| 05:24.39 | smw | zmanji, depends on what you are updating. |
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| 05:25.10 | zmanji | zykotic10: thanks that looks exactly like what I need |
| 05:25.17 | smw | zmanji, I fetched a kernel from sid once, it worked fine. It was utter hell when I tried installing virtualbox later... |
| 05:25.21 | Guest53019 | is DEBIAN made in DEutchland ? |
| 05:25.22 | Guest53019 | DE-bian DE-utchland |
| 05:25.41 | zmanji | smw: the package in question is `znc` an irc bouncer. I need the latest version (1.2) so I can provide some new functionality to my users. |
| 05:25.42 | zykotic10 | zmanji: keep in mind smw's comment - it does "depend" if it's possible |
| 05:25.51 | dersquisher | Guest53019, debian is an international effort |
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| 05:26.02 | Guest53019 | no |
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| 05:26.14 | Guest53019 | DEbian DE=DEUCHLAND |
| 05:26.18 | Guest53019 | DE-GERMANY.. |
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| 05:26.29 | smw | zmanji, znc should be fine |
| 05:26.32 | zmanji | zykotick9, smw I can see the risk if I upgrade a well used library but shouldn't there be low risk for a top level package? |
| 05:26.40 | smw | zmanji, yes |
| 05:26.53 | zmanji | thanks for confirming smw, your help is greatly appreciated |
| 05:27.02 | smw | zmanji, the risk is indeed much lower |
| 05:27.21 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.27 | smw | zmanji, do note that all warranties are voided ;-) |
| 05:27.31 | LtL | oops |
| 05:27.36 | Guest53019 | huh |
| 05:27.43 | LtL | Guest53019: troll |
| 05:27.58 | Guest53019 | no |
| 05:28.03 | dersquisher | I backport stuff all the time, usually it isn't an issue at all |
| 05:29.01 | Guest53019 | well DEBIAN has by default a GERMAN .. |
| 05:29.03 | smw | dersquisher, yep, same here :-) |
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| 05:29.36 | dersquisher | LtL, don't feed the troll, I did the same mistake |
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| 05:35.20 | Guest53019 | FEED THE TROLL BITCH |
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| 05:37.10 | stew | Guest53019: hey if you have actual debian and-user support questions, let me know what they are in a PM |
| 05:37.28 | dersquisher | stew, thanks |
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| 05:38.22 | zmanji | If I backport a package myself from sid to wheezy, can I contribute it to wheezy-backports so other users don't have to go through the same effort? |
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| 05:39.05 | zykotick9 | zmanji: not unless you happen to be the maintainer of that package, which i highly doubt you are. |
| 05:39.32 | stew | zmanji: yes! you will need to find a debian developer to "sponsor" your upload however, the debian-backports mailing list is where to go, let them know where they can get your .dsc |
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| 05:39.54 | extor | Is it possible to burn a netboot cdrom iso onto a dvd disk and expect it to boot up into install mode? |
| 05:40.10 | zykotick9 | zmanji: sorry. take stew's advice over mine! |
| 05:40.48 | zmanji | I'll keep that in mind, stew. Thanks for your advice. |
| 05:41.00 | zykotick9 | extor: ya, it'll work fine. i haven't used cds in years. |
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| 05:41.06 | stew | hmm, are there netboot isos? |
| 05:41.30 | dersquisher | stew, isn't that a contradiction? |
| 05:41.31 | stew | i don't see how that would work |
| 05:41.33 | zykotick9 | doh - i'm going to bed. netboot != netinst |
| 05:41.54 | stew | extor: do you mean netboot or netinst? |
| 05:41.54 | extor | yes there are, and they're a lot faster to download over dsl than a dvd is. I speak of course as somone who has run out of cdrs and just has dvd-rw media lying around |
| 05:42.03 | extor | netinst* |
| 05:42.20 | stew | aha, then sure netinst should work |
| 05:42.35 | stew | netboot is pxe, a whole different beast |
| 05:42.42 | extor | ahh |
| 05:42.55 | extor | I might have to resort to pxe if this doesn't work |
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| 05:43.31 | stew | you should just be able to cp a netinst to disk device (like a hdd or a usb thumbdrive) and boot from it |
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| 05:43.59 | stew | that is cp it it to the device (replacing the contents of the device) not just cp'ing the file to some filesystem on the device |
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| 05:44.52 | wsky | dualbooting with an installer works as well |
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| 05:58.14 | dersquisher | hmhm, is udev deprecated? |
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| 06:04.53 | somiaj | I don't think so |
| 06:05.20 | dersquisher | I'm wondering why on sid glib isn't giving my volume monitoring notifications like on wheezy |
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| 06:19.55 | hanasaki | what is a good solid distribution based on debian that has slightly more current packages and faster updates? |
| 06:20.04 | wsky | ubuntu |
| 06:21.27 | wsky | meh, i need a beer |
| 06:21.53 | hanasaki | its udpates have corrupted my install a few times and the "search the desktop gives results from amazon too" is concerning |
| 06:22.10 | wsky | then don't use unity |
| 06:22.12 | hanasaki | wsky: lol where ya at? a bit early for one |
| 06:22.19 | wsky | polkaland |
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| 06:22.30 | wsky | i'm awake since yesterday |
| 06:22.40 | hanasaki | wsky: using kde :) |
| 06:22.53 | wsky | yea can use dwm as well |
| 06:22.55 | hanasaki | having a learning curve issue with gnome 3 and unity |
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| 06:22.59 | afidegnum | hello, pls how do I grant ftp and web ownership permission to be able to interract with some web directories |
| 06:23.14 | wsky | afidegnum: i do not quite follow |
| 06:23.28 | wsky | afidegnum: what do you exactly want to do |
| 06:23.44 | afidegnum | I tried to upload fies to a web folder via ftp and I am told I have permission denied |
| 06:23.53 | afidegnum | yet, I have chmod to 775 the directory |
| 06:23.56 | wsky | what web folder |
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| 06:24.22 | hanasaki | wsky: wish blackbox was more maintained |
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| 06:24.40 | wsky | i used to work in fluxbox |
| 06:24.44 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.45 | buu | ratpoison |
| 06:24.54 | buu | ALWAYS RATPOISON |
| 06:24.56 | afidegnum | and I have created a new folder with the root accunt |
| 06:25.06 | wsky | poor rats, they're so friendly creatures |
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| 06:25.32 | buu | afidegnum: who is the folder owned by and who are you logging into ftp as? |
| 06:25.44 | wsky | afidegnum: maybe your ftp server is running on an unprivilaged user account and has no access to the directories |
| 06:25.52 | hanasaki | wsky: objective is : fast, low mem, usable with kde/gnome apps too. works with a tablet touchscreen and allthe pinch like gestures. straight debian has more of a sure code w/o insecure stuff in it |
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| 06:26.19 | afidegnum | wsky: euh, pls I don't get it right, can you please explain ? |
| 06:26.50 | wsky | hanasaki: there is even a kinda nice windows dwm implementation called bug.n, it's interesting thought ... buggy |
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| 06:27.37 | wsky | afidegnum: when you run a program it has to run using one of system user accounts |
| 06:27.47 | hanasaki | wsky: may be too bleeding edge for me |
| 06:27.50 | afidegnum | ok |
| 06:28.12 | afidegnum | do I need to add to a group? |
| 06:28.20 | wsky | afidegnum: if the account has no access to the directories you specified it wont get any access to it |
| 06:28.24 | MrIndecisive | ftp group? |
| 06:28.43 | MrIndecisive | unless you're allowing annoymous access? |
| 06:28.43 | wsky | i'm just saying maybe, i have no idea what's going on in your system |
| 06:29.05 | afidegnum | because I have created the directory using root and i am using ftp to access and upload files to that account, even though i chmod to 775, it didn't changed anything |
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| 06:29.59 | wsky | okay that gives read access to the dir for all people |
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| 06:30.02 | wsky | but not write |
| 06:30.15 | wsky | s/people/accounts/ |
| 06:30.54 | xiong | Hi; trying to run a Minetest server for testing purposes on a VPS with Debian 7 installed -- so 'wheezy'; but willing to mix 'sid', which contains a more recent version of minetest-server. However, the VPS is simulating x86_64. Is there an issue here? -- http://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest-server |
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| 06:32.40 | hanasaki | any comparison of debian on ARM boards vs intel/amd boards (performance) |
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| 06:33.53 | wsky | hanasaki: benchmarks! |
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| 06:35.08 | hanasaki | thanks. |
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| 06:35.51 | hanasaki | basicallly need to build a firewall (at least to gigabit : 4 better / 802.11n and ac) CFcard slot to boot or miniSATA |
| 06:35.56 | dgriffi | where would I find people who know audio programming? |
| 06:36.17 | dgriffi | specifically using libsndfile and libao together |
| 06:38.04 | boudiccas | i've compiled everpad to run on jessie and installed all necessary debs, but whe i try to run it, i get this - http://paste.debian.net/69238/ - why doesn't it run please? and what do i have to do to get it running please? |
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| 06:38.34 | hanasaki | like a stock pi but intel cpu based and 2 or more gigabit and 802.11n,ac |
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| 06:39.59 | dgriffi | does anyone here know audio programming? |
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| 06:43.18 | hanasaki | BCM4352 how where to get support for this chip? |
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| 06:46.04 | rryoumaa | how do i make aptitude use a different sources.list? |
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| 06:46.58 | rryoumaa | i.e. what command line option does that? |
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| 06:47.16 | rryoumaa | (i want to /sometimes/ include a different source without including it all the time) |
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| 06:49.00 | wsky | !pinning |
| 06:49.00 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 06:49.44 | rryoumaa | wsky: that was going to be a resort if there is no way to just do it temporarily |
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| 06:50.08 | wsky | i think you have all aptitude option listed in the manpages |
| 06:50.12 | wsky | options* |
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| 06:50.31 | wsky | to search |
| 06:50.34 | rryoumaa | does not appear to be there |
| 06:50.36 | wsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.52 | wsky | then it might be hardcoded |
| 06:50.54 | rryoumaa | yet it would seem to be a pretty normal thing ror it to have |
| 06:50.58 | rryoumaa | f |
| 06:51.18 | buu | hanasaki: Don't bother, AC sucks on linux |
| 06:52.06 | wsky | but, in my opinion, i'd totally not use diffewrent source.lists on one system unless you are 100% sure of things you're doing |
| 06:52.19 | wsky | apparently you're not if you're asking about thius here |
| 06:52.41 | hanasaki | AC> |
| 06:52.43 | hanasaki | ? |
| 06:52.48 | buu | wifi.. |
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| 06:53.27 | hanasaki | buu: "AC sucks? what is AC |
| 06:53.46 | wsky | hanasaki: 802.11AC |
| 06:54.39 | buu | 00:38 < hanasaki> like a stock pi but intel cpu based and 2 or more gigabit and 802.11n,ac |
| 06:55.20 | hanasaki | AH... Thought AC was more distance and speed . sam power draw |
| 06:56.04 | wsky | i got a broadcom 802.11ac chip here, one of the reasons i don't even try running linux physically on this machine |
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| 06:58.44 | buu | wsky: What do you run? |
| 06:58.49 | wsky | osx |
| 06:58.55 | buu | Ah, yeah, I'm in the same boat |
| 06:59.18 | wsky | \o/ |
| 06:59.18 | buu | I got one of the asus 802.11ac cards for a linux box I was setting up.. that was a complete lack of fun |
| 06:59.47 | buu | wsky: This laptop cost many thousands of dollars and they couldn't even bother to install a real window switching application =[ |
| 07:00.01 | wsky | buu: sounds like it |
| 07:00.48 | buu | Not that I'm bitter |
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| 07:02.56 | wsky | i'm thinking about trying wordpress |
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| 07:03.13 | wsky | i experience too many bugs in drupal |
| 07:03.39 | wsky | nothing major so far, but, annoying and breaking my user experience |
| 07:04.11 | paco | Hello guys. It seems that every time I install an application through wine it becomes the default application for opening its associated mime types, overriding what is set at a system level. Can I prevent this behavior from happening? I'd like that instead, the default options would always be the system defaults, no matter what I install through wine |
| 07:04.22 | wsky | i'd post here my site but there is too many lurkers in the dark that just wait to exploit the bugs |
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| 07:08.31 | wsky | meh i feel compromised at some level |
| 07:08.39 | wsky | badbios maybe lol |
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| 07:10.01 | sweb | what's error during make |
| 07:10.03 | sweb | configure: error: pkg-config not found |
| 07:10.19 | sweb | during `configure ` |
| 07:10.30 | forcer | sweb: It means that configure encountered an error, as the program pkg-config was not found |
| 07:10.39 | wsky | apt-get install pkg-config; try again |
| 07:10.46 | forcer | ;-) |
| 07:11.11 | sweb | wsky: solved ... ty |
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| 07:11.26 | wsky | buy me a beer, lol |
| 07:11.31 | wsky | j/k j/k |
| 07:14.43 | xiong | *Well.* Decided to ignore architecture issue. Now when I attempt to upgrade 'libc6 to 'testing', apt-get wants to remove 149 packages. Is this nuts? |
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| 07:20.12 | xiong | Never mind. apt is smart enough to respect my preference for 'stable' and also to install 'testing' deps as needed. |
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| 07:25.19 | stew | mixing stable and testing is nuts |
| 07:25.34 | stew | attempting to start doing that with libc6 is nuts |
| 07:29.30 | stew | xiong: you could, for example, run "aptitude search '~i~Dlibc6'" to get a list of currently installed packages which depend on lib6, to get an idea of the impact of what you are considering |
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| 07:30.31 | xiong | stew, the saving grace of this is that nothing else at all runs on this VPS -- nothing. It's a brand-spanking new OS install. |
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| 07:30.51 | xiong | So if blue fire starts rolling from the vents, no harm is done. |
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| 07:31.02 | stew | xiong: what are you planning to use this vps for? |
| 07:31.11 | stew | xiong: is it going to serve stuff publicly? |
| 07:31.42 | xiong | No, not really, It's to run a Minetest server, as I said. It's just for testing. |
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| 07:32.13 | stew | xiong: what is the benefit of mixing stabing and testing instead of just running testing? |
| 07:32.17 | xiong | There will be a few people play-testing; but nobody I don't know. |
| 07:32.28 | xiong | Well, good point, stew. |
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| 07:33.55 | xiong | When I elect to install an OS on my VPS, I'm given a broad selection... none of which include Debian-testing. Which is worse? Upgrade those two packages to 'testing'... or upgrade the entire system? |
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| 07:34.13 | xiong | That's not a rhetorical question. |
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| 07:35.02 | dgriffi | are there any audio programmers in here? |
| 07:35.53 | xiong | I mean, I really don't know, stew. The minetest-server I think I should run is 'unstable'. Perhaps I should upgrade the whole system to 'unstable'? |
| 07:36.30 | stew | xiong: i don't know what mintetest-server is |
| 07:36.44 | xiong | It's a game: minetest.net |
| 07:37.07 | xiong | Um, FLOSS Minecraft, to discard a few particulars. Like living in a Lego set. |
| 07:37.11 | stew | xiong: the answer to "should I upgrade to unstable" is usually either "/msg dpkg iyhtays" or "/msg dpkg dnuts" |
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| 07:37.54 | xiong | Sorry, I got left behind with that. |
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| 07:39.00 | xiong | I have a lot more liberty on this particular server because nothing else runs on it; I can afford to skate the edge, or even go over it in a barrel. But I'm naturally conservative. |
| 07:39.55 | rozie | xiong: testing/unstable is usually bad choice for production. you can have (newer) packages by backporting them to stable |
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| 07:40.01 | xiong | I would like to hope that anything in 'stable' that depended on a version '<=' would throw up an exception of some sort when I attempted to upgrade 'libc6' to 'testing' . |
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| 07:40.39 | xiong | Okay, rozie. However this is not a production server. |
| 07:40.40 | Esteban_22 | help |
| 07:40.51 | rozie | anyway, if you really want to upgrade - use usual way, the same which is described in upgrade instruction for stable |
| 07:41.05 | rozie | s/stable/unstable/ in sources list |
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| 07:41.40 | rozie | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 07:41.42 | xiong | I put all three in sources.list: stable, testing, unstable; and indicated a preference for 'stable' in aptconf |
| 07:41.42 | rozie | reboot |
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| 07:43.04 | rozie | xiong: mixing will be more painful than pure testing/unstable |
| 07:43.06 | stew | wow, no |
| 07:43.07 | xiong | I'd really rather *not* upgrade the whole system if there's no benefit in this particular case. |
| 07:43.07 | fangkui | 11 |
| 07:43.10 | fangkui | 2w |
| 07:43.12 | rozie | BTDT |
| 07:43.26 | stew | xiong: what do you need that stable can't do? |
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| 07:43.39 | xiong | rozie, it's as I said. Shall I start over? |
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| 07:44.34 | xiong | The sole current purpose of this VPS is to run a Minetest server for testing. |
| 07:44.57 | stew | xiong: why can't you backport minetest to stable? |
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| 07:45.06 | xiong | I think I need to run the version of minetest-server that is in unstable. |
| 07:45.16 | xiong | Okay, good question. Why not? |
| 07:45.16 | stew | ok |
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| 07:45.48 | xiong | I have no experience with 'backporting'. I take what I'm given. |
| 07:45.55 | wsky | . |
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| 07:47.40 | stew | *sigh* debhelper |
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| 07:47.44 | Rydekull | not so helpful |
| 07:48.20 | xiong | Tries hard, though. +1 |
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| 07:49.03 | xiong | I do not see a 'wheezy-backports' at backports.debian.org |
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| 07:50.01 | dutchfish | !tell xiong about backports |
| 07:50.04 | Shadur | xiong: Backports are in the main archive as per wheezy |
| 07:50.46 | xiong | "Backports integrated into the main archive" |
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| 07:53.42 | xiong | I'm confused by your grammar, stew. You ask why *I* cannot backport minetest-server to stable. It seems to me as if -- in theory -- someone else might have done that; and I might be able to install the backported version. Is that not more what you're asking? |
| 07:55.00 | stew | yeah, sure someone else might have |
| 07:55.01 | xiong | It may well be that you *are* asking why I don't build a backported version and upload that. Alas, I lack that skill. If I were confident I could build the Minetest server from source, I'd pull from GitHub and ignore apt-get entirely. |
| 07:55.15 | xiong | I am not a Minetest core dev. |
| 07:55.22 | stew | you don't need to be |
| 07:55.27 | stew | its just a matter of recompiling |
| 07:55.39 | stew | i guess i was assuming you already checked to see if someone else backported it |
| 07:55.40 | xiong | ... to dispel any lingering confusion. |
| 07:56.17 | stew | you should prefer installing a backport to upgrading to unstable |
| 07:56.21 | xiong | Minetest is being developed on the "Shoddy(tm)" plan: which means I'm just glad there's a Debian package built for it at all. |
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| 07:56.33 | stew | i'm not asking you to develop it |
| 07:56.48 | xiong | House of cards built by a drunk on a wobbly table in a strong breeze. |
| 07:57.08 | xiong | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=minetest-server |
| 07:57.22 | stew | but I'm suggesting that instead of upgrading your entire system to get the libraries that happened to be installed on "Shoddy(tm)"'s system is less preferable to getting a version compiled for the libraries on your system |
| 07:57.30 | stew | or just compiling it for the libraries on your system |
| 07:57.33 | xiong | I don't see anything in there that suggests minetest-server has been backported at all. But then, I would not know what I want to see. |
| 07:58.03 | xiong | I see the technical excellence of your suggestion, stew; truly. |
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| 07:58.21 | xiong | Is there a backport in there that I'm unable to recognize? |
| 07:58.25 | stew | no, it hasn't been backported, but there is a version for stable |
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| 07:58.41 | xiong | Way obsolete, though. |
| 07:58.50 | telmac | is it possible to force grub to boot the debian installer |
| 07:58.54 | telmac | ? |
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| 07:59.01 | stew | xiong: ok, so wy not backport the version from sid? |
| 07:59.08 | xiong | Minetest is, as I say, developed by... um, amateurs. 0.4.8 is incompatible with 0.4.7 clients, it seems. |
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| 07:59.16 | xiong | Why not? |
| 07:59.27 | stew | xiong: what version do you need to be running? |
| 07:59.40 | stew | 0.4.8 and 0.4.6 sources are both available |
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| 08:00.36 | xiong | I'm not a software guy, really; I'm an old hardware dog. But let me... theoretically... imagine the process. I pull the 0.4.8 release from GitHub onto the VPS and build it, there and then. If the build fails then I... do what? Fiddle with the libraries? Hack into the source? |
| 08:01.12 | stew | no, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 08:01.21 | telmac | I should ask a different question |
| 08:01.26 | telmac | from a slightly broken live system |
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| 08:01.41 | telmac | how can I reinstall a clean debian, with no optical drive available or installed |
| 08:01.47 | xiong | The last time I compiled a large (for a very old definition of "large") C program was in 1986, I believe. We were building the Mac SE. |
| 08:01.47 | telmac | and usb boot unsupported? |
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| 08:02.23 | stew | xiong: i don't think that is either helpful or relevant |
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| 08:02.52 | xiong | Um... that's exactly my point. That's my nearest connection to what you seem to be proposing. |
| 08:03.02 | stew | xiong: i guess you are out of luck then |
| 08:03.05 | xiong | ... and it's neither helpful nor relevant. |
| 08:03.27 | stew | xiong: if you can't follow instructions in /msg dpkg ssb ; you certainly shouldn't try running unstable |
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| 08:03.29 | xiong | Not your suggestion! but my experience. I'm out of the loop. |
| 08:03.31 | stew | or testing |
| 08:03.40 | xiong | What do I have to lose? |
| 08:03.48 | stew | time |
| 08:04.00 | stew | which is what I guess I have to lose too |
| 08:04.10 | xiong | Time is all we've got. |
| 08:05.13 | xiong | Okay, anyway, one mystery is cleared up. You have a bot on this channel named 'dpkg'. I do understand that 'dpkg' is the low-level package manager. |
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| 08:05.22 | xiong | Ha ha, is very funny joke. |
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| 08:07.10 | stew | sooo, if you "/msg dpkg ssb" you'll get instructions about how to backport a pacakge |
| 08:07.36 | xiong | Yes, reading now. Also poking the bot for more squibbles. |
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| 08:07.50 | oxka | Yes, that is very funny! |
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| 08:08.18 | telmac | am I being ignored for any particular reason |
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| 08:08.30 | xiong | Still sounds to me like you want me to compile from source... albeit with a genie at my elbow. I may well try this; will be better than running 'make'. |
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| 08:08.47 | xiong | Let's see first if the stupid thing I did works. |
| 08:08.58 | telmac | am I invisible/ |
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| 08:09.22 | dutchfish | telmac, yes, just be patient |
| 08:09.56 | xiong | I am not ignoring you at all, telmac; but that's not helpful to you, sorry. |
| 08:10.05 | dutchfish | telmac, have you tried following debians usb or netinstall wiki reamrks yet? |
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| 08:10.42 | telmac | dutchfish: like I said before, I cannot boot from usb |
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| 08:11.09 | dutchfish | telmac, what are your remaining boot options? |
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| 08:11.18 | Nik05 | do you have a floppy? :P |
| 08:11.22 | Nik05 | and drive? |
| 08:11.31 | telmac | dutchfish: I'm booting from the internal drive on the laptop |
| 08:11.49 | telmac | I only managed to install debian from an external optical drive which I do not have access to now |
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| 08:12.01 | dutchfish | telmac, if usb is not possible, next best thing is an external cd drive |
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| 08:12.20 | telmac | well, the question I asked most recently was, without an optical drive |
| 08:12.21 | telmac | or usb boot |
| 08:12.25 | Nik05 | how old is that laptop that you cant boot from usb? |
| 08:12.25 | telmac | is it possible |
| 08:12.33 | dutchfish | telmac, otherwise if a win boot partition is there, you can boot from win (but thats not the most easy option) |
| 08:12.36 | phy1729 | why does /dev/sda* have the sticky bit set? |
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| 08:12.51 | telmac | dutchfish: no such partition exists |
| 08:13.02 | dutchfish | telmac, so blank disk? |
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| 08:13.30 | telmac | what? |
| 08:13.42 | Nik05 | is your harddisk blank? |
| 08:13.49 | telmac | no? |
| 08:13.49 | dutchfish | telmac, ie non-bootable partition on your drive? |
| 08:13.59 | telmac | no |
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| 08:14.15 | telmac | as far as I know I have a single partition |
| 08:14.30 | telmac | unless debian automatically generated a swap partition without my knowledge |
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| 08:15.55 | Nik05 | so now you cant boot at all? |
| 08:16.04 | telmac | Nik05: no, I'm booting |
| 08:16.34 | oxka | I can see you. |
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| 08:16.44 | Nik05 | into what telmac ? |
| 08:16.44 | telmac_ | sorry |
| 08:16.47 | telmac_ | my box died or something |
| 08:16.48 | dutchfish | telmac, normally any lappy supports boot from usb these days, but if not you have to walk either an install from harddrive or a network booted install, i prefer digging into the usb way if possible. |
| 08:17.13 | telmac_ | Nik05: I'm booting from the internal drive |
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| 08:17.18 | telmac_ | the system is only sort of broken |
| 08:17.20 | Nik05 | into what? |
| 08:17.21 | telmac_ | it's mostly still fine |
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| 08:17.27 | telmac_ | what do you mean "into"? |
| 08:17.35 | Nik05 | what's booting? |
| 08:17.41 | telmac_ | what do you mean what |
| 08:17.45 | telmac_ | what computer |
| 08:17.46 | telmac_ | what os |
| 08:17.48 | telmac_ | what disc |
| 08:17.49 | telmac_ | ???? |
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| 08:18.08 | Nik05 | what OS? |
| 08:18.11 | telmac_ | debian |
| 08:18.18 | telmac_ | why should it be anything else |
| 08:18.29 | telmac_ | like I just said, the system still works |
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| 08:18.51 | telmac_ | dutchfish: like I said, I cannot boot from usb |
| 08:19.01 | telmac_ | it's not worthwhile repeating that I should try when I said I cannot |
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| 08:21.00 | Nik05 | well then install from debian :P |
| 08:21.14 | telmac_ | Nik05: can debian reinstall itself from a live system |
| 08:21.18 | telmac_ | onto the same disc? |
| 08:21.23 | dutchfish | telmac_, not to be annoying, but you havent an usb port which you can access? maybe you cant boot from it, you still can install from, you know? |
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| 08:22.01 | Nik05 | if you have a usb maybe you can add MBR which boots the usb or something |
| 08:22.02 | telmac_ | sorry, I did something fooling and killed x |
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| 08:22.09 | telmac_ | can you repeat your last question? |
| 08:22.26 | dutchfish | telmac_, not to be annoying, but you havent an usb port which you can access? maybe you cant boot from it, you still can install from, you know? |
| 08:22.27 | telmac_ | *foolish |
| 08:22.45 | telmac_ | dutchfish: once again |
| 08:22.48 | telmac_ | I cannot boot from usb |
| 08:22.57 | telmac_ | since you seem not the believe me... |
| 08:23.05 | telmac_ | I've a rather old laptop |
| 08:23.11 | telmac_ | usb boot is simply unsupported |
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| 08:23.27 | telmac_ | I don't know why you don't believe me that I cannot boot from usb |
| 08:23.29 | dutchfish | telmac_, i got that by now, but thats not my question |
| 08:23.43 | telmac_ | what's your question then? |
| 08:23.53 | dutchfish | telmac_, does is have an usb port? |
| 08:23.58 | telmac_ | indeed it does |
| 08:24.06 | telmac_ | two of them, in fact |
| 08:24.15 | telmac_ | ;) |
| 08:24.25 | phy1729 | re: sticky bit on /dev/sda* http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/02/msg01273.html |
| 08:24.27 | dutchfish | telmac_, then you can boot into your (broken) debian, and access your usb to install from there? |
| 08:24.37 | telmac_ | I am currently booted into debian |
| 08:24.44 | dutchfish | right |
| 08:24.48 | telmac_ | what do you mean access my usb to install from there |
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| 08:25.28 | telmac_ | certainly I can't reinstall debian onto the disc that's being used by a live system? |
| 08:25.32 | dutchfish | telmac_, if you prepare an install from disk on your usb dongle, you can fire up an install from the disk while you booted inside your old debian |
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| 08:25.43 | telmac_ | dutchfish: how? |
| 08:25.53 | dutchfish | telmac_, let me google it up, a sec |
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| 08:27.22 | telmac | I'm back on here, by the way |
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| 08:29.09 | dutchfish | telmac, one question first, does networking on the lappy still function? |
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| 08:29.37 | telmac | indeed it does, how else might I be talking to you? |
| 08:29.46 | dutchfish | telmac, ok then |
| 08:29.50 | telmac | if you're going to suggest network booting |
| 08:29.56 | Nik05 | haha |
| 08:29.57 | telmac | last I looked into that it was a mess |
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| 08:30.22 | dutchfish | telmac, you can debootstrap a new system but that needs a free partition to work on |
| 08:30.46 | telmac | dutchfish: well, that doesn't sound like an option then |
| 08:30.59 | Nik05 | dutchfish cant he put the installer on the usb and then at the usb to grub or something? |
| 08:31.06 | telmac | unless there's a way to get parted into memory in its entirety |
| 08:31.18 | telmac | and then unmount |
| 08:31.28 | dutchfish | Nik05, apparantly grub is working otherwise hi coulnt be on the old system |
| 08:31.33 | Nik05 | yes |
| 08:31.44 | Nik05 | i have no idea how to do that, but thats maybe possible |
| 08:31.54 | dutchfish | if it was my system i just would repair the old debian |
| 08:32.03 | telmac | dutchfish: well |
| 08:32.07 | telmac | I've got loads of problems |
| 08:32.11 | telmac | if you like you can help ;) |
| 08:32.13 | tomboy64 | huh? |
| 08:32.24 | dutchfish | telmac, can you discribe your prblems a bit better? |
| 08:32.26 | tomboy64 | you can't just use debootstrap in a new dir and chroot into that? |
| 08:32.47 | telmac | tomboy64: I'm not sure what that means |
| 08:33.02 | dutchfish | tomboy64, thought of that too, but maybe his problems are less grave then anticipated |
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| 08:33.13 | dutchfish | lets find out |
| 08:33.22 | telmac | well |
| 08:33.27 | tomboy64 | :) good plan. my approach might be a little too complex |
| 08:33.29 | telmac | firefox crashes soon after opening |
| 08:33.38 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:33.39 | jaggz | why would I be able to telnet to port ftp, but ncftp gets 'remote host has closed the connection' ? |
| 08:33.45 | telmac | as does dwb, chromium, and geeqie |
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| 08:34.02 | tomboy64 | telmac: did you try running them from a console? |
| 08:34.04 | telmac | interestingly, emacs works... as far as I can tell |
| 08:34.05 | dutchfish | telmac, ok |
| 08:34.13 | telmac | well that's not interesting by itself |
| 08:34.15 | telmac | emacs -nw works |
| 08:34.16 | dutchfish | telmac, what else? |
| 08:34.26 | telmac | but, I tried to get emacs to open a directory |
| 08:34.31 | telmac | iirc it's got some sort of file browser |
| 08:34.38 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 08:34.44 | telmac | that crashed it |
| 08:34.49 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:34.53 | telmac | when any of those programs crash, they take x with them |
| 08:35.00 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:35.03 | telmac | I was told to do something like, go to tty2 |
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| 08:35.12 | telmac | tell it I wanted to open programs in the main x thingy |
| 08:35.13 | dutchfish | forget that for now |
| 08:35.16 | dutchfish | go on |
| 08:35.21 | telmac | and then open firefox |
| 08:35.29 | telmac | I followed their directions |
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| 08:35.48 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 08:35.54 | telmac | interestingly, from tty2, it sat there for as long as I felt like waiting |
| 08:35.59 | telmac | I then did C-A-f7 |
| 08:36.20 | dutchfish | ok, a few questions |
| 08:36.22 | telmac | I saw the firefox window for a fraction of a section, it had my wm's decoration and was otherwise white |
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| 08:36.32 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:36.39 | telmac | it then immediately crashed and took x with it as usual |
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| 08:36.45 | dutchfish | what debian version is this, wheezy (stable) or? |
| 08:36.46 | telmac | feh still works as does mplayer, by the way |
| 08:36.50 | telmac | wheezy |
| 08:36.58 | dutchfish | 64 bit or 32 bit? |
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| 08:37.11 | telmac | on a laptop so old it can't boot from usb, this is worth asking? |
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| 08:37.18 | dutchfish | nah |
| 08:37.19 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:37.38 | dutchfish | its up 2 date with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 08:37.43 | telmac | yes |
| 08:37.46 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 08:37.54 | dutchfish | can pastebin your syslog? |
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| 08:38.10 | telmac | I should add something else |
| 08:38.11 | dutchfish | or us epastebinit |
| 08:38.36 | dutchfish | or use pastebinit |
| 08:38.38 | telmac | I did something fiddly with gtk to try to get ibus going |
| 08:38.53 | telmac | and I did an update and dist-upgrade |
| 08:39.06 | telmac | but they were around the same time, I cannot remember whcih preceded the other |
| 08:39.06 | dutchfish | ok, what wm do you run atm? |
| 08:39.13 | telmac | i3 |
| 08:39.18 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:39.18 | Iridos | ah, this may be 40 minutes late, but... |
| 08:39.22 | Iridos | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:39.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 08:39.26 | telmac | this was when the stuff started |
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| 08:40.16 | telmac | dutchfish: this shows my ignorance here, what is a syslog |
| 08:40.22 | telmac | and how might I bring it up to pastebin it? |
| 08:40.33 | telmac | well I can guess /what/ it is |
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| 08:40.43 | telmac | the latter question is the more important one |
| 08:40.47 | dutchfish | well, you have to fix your wm, but first make sure the core is allright, syslog will tell you, work form there. Also check if you have dangling dependecies first. pasting your syslog to debian.pastebin would help alot for us to help you. |
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| 08:41.09 | telmac | my wm is the problem? |
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| 08:41.18 | dutchfish | telmac, aprtly, prolly, yes |
| 08:41.29 | telmac | hmm |
| 08:41.31 | dutchfish | at leats that is what i suspect |
| 08:41.36 | telmac | all right, well |
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| 08:41.43 | telmac | how do I bring up the syslog? |
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| 08:41.50 | dutchfish | !paste |
| 08:41.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:42.06 | dutchfish | or use pastebinit |
| 08:42.16 | telmac | 09:41 < telmac> how do I bring up the syslog? |
| 08:42.21 | dutchfish | you can still install it like aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 08:42.45 | telmac | ...? |
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| 08:43.12 | telmac | dutchfish: by the way, if you think it's the wm |
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| 08:43.23 | telmac | might it not be worthwhile to try a different wm |
| 08:43.29 | telmac | see if this still happens? |
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| 08:43.41 | dutchfish | telmac, i suspect it, but lets find out through syslog or other logs |
| 08:43.49 | telmac | well, like I said |
| 08:43.57 | telmac | I don't know what syslog is |
| 08:44.02 | dutchfish | thats up to you, just my 2 cents |
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| 08:44.19 | telmac | and of course I don't know how to open it |
| 08:44.20 | dutchfish | telmac, ah, /var/log/syslog |
| 08:44.40 | dutchfish | all you logging is found inside /var/log |
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| 08:45.30 | telmac | try telmac.soupwhale.com/syslog |
| 08:45.35 | telmac | I rcp'd it there |
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| 08:45.55 | dutchfish | inspecting your logs is the first thing to do, when something barfs at you |
| 08:45.56 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 08:46.39 | dutchfish | is reading the log |
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| 08:47.06 | dutchfish | that seams fine, np |
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| 08:47.53 | dutchfish | next your xorg.log |
| 08:47.58 | dutchfish | sam elocation |
| 08:48.12 | dutchfish | correction xorg.0.log |
| 08:48.20 | telmac | no such file |
| 08:48.31 | telmac | sorry, nevermind |
| 08:48.34 | telmac | case sensetive |
| 08:48.45 | dutchfish | my mistake Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:49.44 | telmac | teknac.soupwhale.com/Xorg.0.log ;) |
| 08:49.54 | telmac | *telmac |
| 08:49.54 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:50.19 | Nik05 | thats an incorrect url |
| 08:50.43 | oxka | Why is it that every time I try iptraf I get disconnected from the wifi or it botches up in some way or another? |
| 08:50.59 | telmac | Nik05: refer to the line just below it for corrections |
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| 08:51.34 | Nik05 | :D |
| 08:51.49 | dutchfish | telmac, nothing rgave in there as well |
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| 08:52.49 | dutchfish | telmac, so, its prolly just related to the config of your wm or the aplaictions themselves, i suspect memmory pressure as well on the lappy for things like firefox |
| 08:53.12 | Iridos | dutchfish, have you asked at all what version of debian this is? |
| 08:53.13 | dutchfish | no need to reinstall debian |
| 08:53.26 | dutchfish | Iridos, yes, wheezy 32 bit |
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| 08:53.33 | telmac | dutchfish: well, firefox worked before |
| 08:53.36 | dutchfish | Iridos, and yes, i saw that funny mailaddress |
| 08:53.37 | telmac | that's the thing |
| 08:53.48 | telmac | and geeqie kills itself which shouldn't be so huge |
| 08:53.58 | dutchfish | telmac, ok |
| 08:54.02 | Iridos | funny mail address? |
| 08:54.02 | telmac | I'm using the default i3 config |
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| 08:54.20 | dutchfish | lets fix geeqie first |
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| 08:54.22 | telmac | nothing about my wm changed to elicit this |
| 08:54.24 | winterss | anyone want to join my chatroom? |
| 08:54.30 | telmac | dutchfish: I'm not much worried about geeqie |
| 08:54.35 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:54.40 | telmac | I'd mostly like to get firefox running |
| 08:54.44 | telmac | and then ibus |
| 08:54.51 | telmac | oh and evince! |
| 08:54.56 | telmac | evince crashes as well |
| 08:55.03 | dutchfish | telmac, are you running firefox are the maintained iceweasel? |
| 08:55.11 | dutchfish | s/are/or |
| 08:55.12 | telmac | iceweasel |
| 08:55.15 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:55.33 | dutchfish | do you have a backup of your personal settings? |
| 08:55.44 | telmac | what personal settings? ;) |
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| 08:55.56 | dutchfish | telmac, under ~/ |
| 08:56.10 | telmac | dutchfish: that was a joke, notice the ";)" |
| 08:56.17 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:56.21 | dutchfish | so you have? |
| 08:56.28 | telmac | I've not fiddled with any settings of anything |
| 08:56.31 | telmac | it's all vanilla |
| 08:56.43 | dutchfish | sorry, if i sometimes seams a bit hazy, but rem this is not my major language |
| 08:56.52 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:57.14 | telmac | that's fine |
| 08:57.26 | dutchfish | then we just gone purge it and reinstall after clearing out th epersonal settings |
| 08:57.39 | telmac | I already purged firefox |
| 08:57.55 | dutchfish | ok, then reinstall it now after an aptitude update |
| 08:58.08 | telmac | no I mean |
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| 08:58.23 | telmac | I purged and reinstalled firefox already, figuring that might solve the problem |
| 08:58.29 | dutchfish | ah ok |
| 08:58.29 | telmac | it did not |
| 08:58.49 | dutchfish | telmac, then we just have to purge your personal settings still |
| 08:58.57 | dutchfish | and see if that solves it |
| 08:59.02 | telmac | dutchfish: like I said there are none |
| 08:59.41 | telmac | I've not changed the settings of anything, except firefox internally to itself, which would have been destroyed in the earlier purge |
| 08:59.42 | dutchfish | telmac, ok, next |
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| 09:01.05 | dutchfish | telmac, can you run and paste (not in here) `dpkg -L | grep libc6` |
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| 09:01.59 | telmac | dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument |
| 09:02.01 | telmac | ? |
| 09:02.33 | dutchfish | telmac, my mistake `dpkg -l | grep libc6` |
| 09:02.47 | telmac | that's a lowercase l, I assume? |
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| 09:02.51 | dutchfish | yes |
| 09:03.03 | Nik05 | no lowercase L |
| 09:03.13 | dutchfish | just l |
| 09:03.22 | dutchfish | not 1 |
| 09:03.28 | Nik05 | ;p |
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| 09:03.58 | telmac | telmac.soupwhale.com/grep |
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| 09:04.29 | dutchfish | sigh |
| 09:04.35 | dutchfish | thats not wheezy |
| 09:04.41 | telmac | it's not? |
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| 09:04.44 | dutchfish | nope |
| 09:04.47 | telmac | hmm |
| 09:05.03 | Nik05 | thats testing... |
| 09:05.05 | telmac | I'm fairly certain I used the wheezy install iso |
| 09:05.07 | dutchfish | and that would explain your cute little problems |
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| 09:05.25 | telmac | and I'm quite certain I never fiddled with apt's repos |
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| 09:05.28 | telmac | wait! |
| 09:05.33 | Nik05 | telmac can you give use the output of /etc/apt/sources.lst? :P |
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| 09:05.53 | Nik05 | .list * |
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| 09:06.00 | telmac | damn that's it isn't it |
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| 09:06.05 | telmac | that was foolish |
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| 09:06.12 | telmac | I am indeed using testing repos |
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| 09:06.42 | telmac | so then, I imagine this will all be resolved by changing "testing" to "stable" |
| 09:06.49 | Nik05 | no |
| 09:06.53 | telmac | h? |
| 09:06.56 | telmac | *eh? |
| 09:07.03 | dutchfish | you cant downgrade like that |
| 09:07.04 | Nik05 | its not supported to downgrade |
| 09:07.11 | telmac | hmm |
| 09:07.26 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 09:07.51 | dutchfish | for this its easier to reinstall |
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| 09:08.03 | dutchfish | only for this |
| 09:08.15 | Nik05 | well dutchfish he can purge all packages that arent essential, required and important |
| 09:08.24 | Nik05 | then downgrade those...? |
| 09:08.48 | dutchfish | Nik05, sure, i have done a couple, but it can take a lot of time, and many pittfalls |
| 09:09.25 | dutchfish | Nik05, but feel free to walk him through |
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| 09:09.34 | Nik05 | ;p |
| 09:09.45 | winterss | anyone want to join my chatroom? |
| 09:09.51 | Nik05 | no |
| 09:09.56 | telmac | well, reinstalling would be easier |
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| 09:10.03 | telmac | *better |
| 09:10.07 | telmac | not easier, idk about that |
| 09:10.08 | dutchfish | telmac, my best bet as it stands now, is to reinstall debian |
| 09:10.09 | oxka | winterss, what is your chatroom? |
| 09:10.22 | telmac | dutchfish: well, considering my situation, how might I do that? |
| 09:10.45 | Nik05 | telmac put installer on usb and do something to grub so it boots the ubs...? |
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| 09:10.57 | telmac | can grub do that? |
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| 09:11.03 | Nik05 | probably... |
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| 09:11.10 | winterss | http://tinychat.com/littlerowboat |
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| 09:11.15 | winterss | heres my site |
| 09:11.18 | Nik05 | but you need to manually add it |
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| 09:11.23 | Nik05 | !ops winterss spam |
| 09:11.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nik05 complains about: winterss spam |
| 09:11.26 | winterss | the password is solash |
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| 09:11.41 | dutchfish | telmac, if you are relaly clever and have another computer that can access that disk, Reinstall the first installer part trough there and then mount it back to complete the install |
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| 09:11.57 | dutchfish | telmac, thats how i do it |
| 09:11.59 | telmac | dutchfish: that's not possible |
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| 09:12.02 | dutchfish | ok |
| 09:12.14 | telmac | I'd have a much easier time getting a hold of another external optical drive |
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| 09:13.28 | telmac | Nik05: can you refer me to more information on this |
| 09:13.35 | Nik05 | telmac im searching |
| 09:13.49 | telmac | or perhaps walk me through it ;) |
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| 09:15.12 | Nik05 | telmac I and dutchfish have no idea how to do that |
| 09:15.30 | guston | goodmorning |
| 09:15.40 | telmac | all right I'm curious |
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| 09:15.59 | telmac | I asked someone to grep the logs in the channel where I might have been directed to change sources.list |
| 09:16.12 | dutchfish | !tell telmac about debootstrap |
| 09:16.13 | Nik05 | telmac you dont have a floppy driver either right? :P |
| 09:16.16 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 09:16.28 | telmac | and it seems like I was told to simply add a testing repo |
| 09:16.36 | telmac | and comment out the old ones |
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| 09:16.40 | telmac | and do an apt-get update |
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| 09:17.18 | dutchfish | never use another repo, unless you know what you are doing |
| 09:17.29 | dutchfish | anyway |
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| 09:17.52 | dutchfish | read what dpkg told you about debootstrap, that would be another option but not neccesarely easier |
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| 09:17.56 | winterss | hiya |
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| 09:17.59 | telmac | I am now |
| 09:18.00 | winterss | ugh bored |
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| 09:18.18 | dutchfish | telmac, good luck |
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| 09:18.50 | Nik05 | telmac do you have a floppy drive or not? |
| 09:18.59 | telmac | Nik05: no |
| 09:19.01 | Nik05 | ok |
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| 09:19.17 | telmac | Nik05: if I did that would be a fairly easy solution |
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| 09:20.19 | Nik05 | ah wait maybe you dont even have to change grub setting, but if you boot hit some key in the grub screen to manually boot something else |
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| 09:21.17 | telmac | I'm a bit confused |
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| 09:21.30 | telmac | should I not get debootstrap from a repo? |
| 09:21.41 | Nik05 | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/how-to-boot-from-an-usb-stick-without-bios-support-using-grub2-776192/ |
| 09:21.51 | Nik05 | can you do something with this? |
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| 09:24.14 | telmac | Nik05: how exactly do I need to prepare the usb? |
| 09:24.24 | Nik05 | put the debian installer on it |
| 09:24.26 | telmac | I've been directed in severals ways to do so |
| 09:24.29 | telmac | Nik05: like |
| 09:24.34 | telmac | dd the iso to the usb? |
| 09:24.39 | Nik05 | yes |
| 09:24.46 | telmac | I sure hope this works |
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| 09:26.05 | Nik05 | telmac let me check how to configure grub for Plop Boot Manager |
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| 09:26.39 | Nik05 | here is the documentation http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html~ |
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| 09:27.41 | Nik05 | http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/plpbt.bin.html#rungrub2 |
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| 09:29.08 | Nik05 | telmac you think you can work this out? |
| 09:29.21 | telmac | probably |
| 09:29.33 | telmac | I'm going to go to sleep now, I'll work on it tomorrow evening |
| 09:29.35 | Nik05 | i think you need to change the set root= line |
| 09:29.46 | telmac | ? |
| 09:29.55 | Nik05 | the last link i send you |
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| 09:30.13 | telmac | I'm not sure what that means |
| 09:30.22 | telmac | do I absolutely need to know it before I go to sleep? |
| 09:30.33 | Nik05 | i dont know |
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| 09:30.54 | charli | hi, i have a problem bothers me a long time. The cursor shuold be back when the terminal is focused, hollow when unfocused. But sometimes mine don't work like this. I am using debian stable, awesome wm, laptop with a external moniter. Both gnome-terminal and sakura acts like this. Sometime switch `awesome tag` fix it, sometime have to open a new one. I think it's a `awesome` problem dealing with two moniter. Anyone have experienced this? Thank you very |
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| 09:31.01 | Nik05 | probably not, you can ask here again, if it doesnt work. |
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| 09:31.57 | telmac | all right, thanks |
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| 09:31.59 | charli | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.18 | adidasAlex | hi users of #debian channel |
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| 09:36.17 | adidasAlex | is openoffice.org part of the debian repositories? i think it is. is it the two domains that make up the 10 DVD set for the debian repositories? |
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| 09:37.33 | charli | edit. i have this problem bothers me a long time. The cursor shuold be back when the terminal is focused, hollow when unfocused. But sometimes mine don't work like this. I am using debian stable, awesome wm, laptop with a external moniter. Both gnome-terminal and sakura acts abnormal: mostly, stay hollow even after focused; occasionally, stay black after unfocused. Sometime switch `awesome tag` fix it, sometime have to open a new one. I think it's a `aw |
| 09:38.11 | themill | adidasAlex: debian has been using libreoffice not openoffice for many years |
| 09:39.00 | adidasAlex | thank you themill. i am trying to set up a system example that mimicks my public library |
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| 09:39.11 | adidasAlex | charli, are you using compiz? |
| 09:39.56 | adidasAlex | my public library has two web browsers and has their own choice for operating system vendor |
| 09:40.38 | charli | no, no gdm too, just start awesome from `startx` |
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| 09:42.10 | adidasAlex | hey #debian channel, i am going to have to get into tarball programming if i want to use openoffice.org for the reason of using the same brand application as my public library |
| 09:42.43 | Chelsea | Hi all, when i mount a smb share (through mount -t cifs) i can only write to this location with su. I don't want to have every mount in my fstab. What would be the correct way to write to this location with just user rights? |
| 09:43.10 | adidasAlex | permissions |
| 09:43.45 | adidasAlex | i forget the terminal commands with its own one line programming |
| 09:43.54 | adidasAlex | maybe you can refer to a reference |
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| 09:47.36 | adidasAlex | can anyone tell me about charli's gdm service? i know microsoft windows has their own OS service which my friend does not like |
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| 09:49.38 | pentanol | hi, anyone use FiberChannel -storages early? |
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| 09:51.03 | adidasAlex | hey pentanol. is fiberchannel a new bus communication channel? |
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| 09:54.13 | adidasAlex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre_Channel <<< i have a comment on fiberchannel. i like to lay in mind CSA approved computer related hardware to improve my insight on my systems future architechture. that would be surge suppression, power supplies and ethernet cables |
| 09:55.12 | adidasAlex | with surge suppression, ethernet and power supplies, i can more easily think a safe operation of something that is built |
| 09:56.55 | adidasAlex | yeah. the future architechture is debian/ubuntu for me i decided |
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| 10:02.26 | adidasAlex | question... does debian mount any other sata connections other than the sata connection it uses on start-up boot? |
| 10:03.32 | pentanol | I use esata on linux as hotplug |
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| 10:03.55 | adidasAlex | i have esata but i do not use it |
| 10:04.16 | adidasAlex | i am not sure weather the esata matches the speed of sata3. my esata is on-board |
| 10:04.51 | adidasAlex | i guess the gnome disk utility can help me find out. yes |
| 10:04.51 | pentanol | dont know, I use on laptop with sata2 |
| 10:05.15 | petern_ | obviously it depends on what packages you have installed |
| 10:05.24 | adidasAlex | i have one sata2 board and it has sata3 raid..... so much power my machine has to use now |
| 10:07.05 | adidasAlex | so packages have an effect on mounting non booting sata connections.... |
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| 10:07.33 | adidasAlex | what about bot parameters? |
| 10:07.37 | adidasAlex | boot params |
| 10:07.48 | petern_ | software that automounts may do it, depends how it's configured |
| 10:08.26 | adidasAlex | i am still newb petern. i have only adopted linux use for exactly over one month |
| 10:08.42 | adidasAlex | no no. exactly over one year |
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| 10:09.42 | petern_ | a base debian install won't automount anything |
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| 10:10.11 | petern_ | what's install on top might, but who can say what you've got installed |
| 10:10.11 | adidasAlex | nice. |
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| 10:10.22 | adidasAlex | root access! |
| 10:11.36 | adidasAlex | hey man. does anybody think fiber channel can the the intrusion detection system of a very large library or a very large digital-media/digital-documents office? |
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| 10:13.58 | adidasAlex | if fiber channel can be a internet backbone or an internet proxy, what does that mean to ethical use or non ethical use? |
| 10:14.26 | adidasAlex | do i even have to use? |
| 10:14.48 | petern_ | what are you even talking about? |
| 10:14.54 | petern_ | is it debian related? |
| 10:15.07 | adidasAlex | computer architechture |
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| 10:16.09 | adidasAlex | sorry |
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| 10:20.00 | adidasAlex | thanks #debian channel. i am going to adopt libreoffice instead of openoffice.org for now.... if i can make a tarball possible it would be openoffice.org |
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| 10:23.03 | olivier_bK | hy |
| 10:23.18 | adidasAlex | hi olivier_bK |
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| 10:23.31 | Dumble | Hello everyone, |
| 10:23.33 | olivier_bK | i have generate a key with a password all the times when i want to connect to my server |
| 10:23.57 | olivier_bK | i need to export the key like that ssh-agent $SHELL ssh-add |
| 10:24.02 | olivier_bK | and i enter the password |
| 10:24.29 | adidasAlex | olivier_bK: which protocol? ssh or sasl?...??? |
| 10:24.34 | adidasAlex | ssl? |
| 10:24.38 | olivier_bK | adidasAlex, ssh |
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| 10:25.35 | petern_ | olivier_bK, eval `ssh-agent` |
| 10:26.16 | olivier_bK | i want to do it automatically |
| 10:26.19 | petern_ | olivier_bK, your desktop environment may already handle it |
| 10:26.21 | Dumble | I have a problem with a file in /etc/sudoers.d containing the following line : "www-data ALL= NOPASSWD: /home/servadmin/apply_networkconf.py", if I do a "su - www-data" then run a "sudo /home/servadmin/apply_networkconf.py", I am alway prompted for a password but the /etc/sudoers.d/networkconf file I wrote is chmod'ed 0440 and visudo does not find any error in it |
| 10:26.22 | olivier_bK | i dont want to enter a password |
| 10:26.30 | olivier_bK | i use debian |
| 10:26.45 | adidasAlex | is ssh the network way to go with distributed computing? lets say you have two cores to the networks and wish to network two computers off the diffrent network cores.... |
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| 10:28.01 | nevyn | cores? |
| 10:29.02 | adidasAlex | nevyn: two network cores as in two name servers for two modems servicing the the admin to two gigabit ethernet connections |
| 10:29.09 | afidegnum | hi, something strange is happening to me, please help. http://www.mynicestore.com is working but http://www.mynicestore.com/in.php is not working, even though I created the file myself and chmod 777 to that file, |
| 10:29.18 | afidegnum | can you please help? |
| 10:29.19 | wica | Hi I have a issue with preseed. How can I set only a proxy for apt? When I set "d-i mirror/http/proxy string" it is a system width setting, So any command in "d-i preseed/late_command string " wants to use the proxy |
| 10:29.28 | nevyn | adidasAlex: two uplinks |
| 10:29.59 | nevyn | olivier_bK: so edit your key and remove the passphrase. |
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| 10:30.10 | nevyn | but you are better off using the ssh agent |
| 10:30.12 | adidasAlex | oh! i know two uplinks even if i didnt go to school for it.... one ethernet for outbound and another for outbound the other way.. haha |
| 10:30.18 | wica | afidegnum: Wat are the logs saying? |
| 10:30.40 | wica | /var/log/apache2/ and then I think the error log |
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| 10:31.00 | adidasAlex | nevyn: what does it mean to have a cut-through firewall? |
| 10:31.33 | adidasAlex | does that mean instead of two uplinks, you have one router |
| 10:31.34 | afidegnum | wica: I have been reading hte logs but nothing, showed |
| 10:31.38 | nevyn | it doesn't do packet inspection |
| 10:31.44 | nevyn | or even header inspection |
| 10:31.57 | nevyn | it just copies stuff from the network to an uplink |
| 10:32.12 | wica | afidegnum: Can you create a file with only "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" in it |
| 10:32.19 | nevyn | it's an old telecoms idea. |
| 10:32.20 | olivier_bK | nevyn, i cant |
| 10:32.22 | wica | And check if that is working |
| 10:33.08 | afidegnum | wica: that's hte problem i am having |
| 10:33.13 | afidegnum | I create the php.ini file |
| 10:33.14 | wica | afidegnum: Nevermind, looks like php is wotking |
| 10:33.15 | afidegnum | but I Can't read it |
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| 10:33.21 | nevyn | wica: *cough* apache2-mod-php et al |
| 10:33.29 | olivier_bK | someone use cssh here ? |
| 10:33.34 | nevyn | I have. |
| 10:33.37 | afidegnum | the same thing is happeining when I tried visiting http://www.alexprohost.com/dtcadmin |
| 10:33.47 | afidegnum | it's not working, it's like subdomains are not working |
| 10:33.59 | afidegnum | it goes out to connection reset |
| 10:34.12 | olivier_bK | nevyn, you have generate a key with passphrase ? |
| 10:34.19 | nevyn | yes. |
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| 10:35.03 | wica | afidegnum: Then I have no clue |
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| 10:35.30 | adidasAlex | http://www1.dlinksearch.com/?url=www.alexprohost.com%2Fdtcadmin <<< this is in my address bar. your welcome |
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| 10:42.35 | martin-_-_ | when i create a script in /etc/init.d/ will it be executed after booting? |
| 10:42.44 | wica | Nop |
| 10:42.59 | wica | Only if you added to one or more runlevels |
| 10:42.59 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:43.23 | wica | martin-_-_: https://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
| 10:43.32 | martin-_-_ | thanks |
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| 10:48.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell martin-_-_ -about init.d |
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| 10:58.08 | wsky | what was the name of the qt video editing app |
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| 10:58.38 | wsky | kdenlive thx |
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| 11:03.46 | adidasAlex | wsky, have you seen any digitally remastered DVDs? |
| 11:03.48 | petern_ | Hmm, whenever I insert a CD, I get prompted for authentication to update packages... |
| 11:04.09 | adidasAlex | today i saw bruce lee filmography remastered on DVD |
| 11:04.20 | adidasAlex | the aspect ratio is 2.35.1 |
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| 11:07.39 | martin-_-_ | thanks babilen |
| 11:07.58 | babilen | yw |
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| 11:10.53 | martin-_-_ | babilen, i want to connect to an openvpn after booting so on start) i do openvpn certi.ca & |
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| 11:11.12 | martin-_-_ | but maybe there is an better way |
| 11:11.27 | martin-_-_ | because i get the output of the openvpn bin |
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| 11:16.45 | babilen | martin-_-_: Please read /usr/share/doc/openvpn/README.Debian.gz |
| 11:16.56 | martin-_-_ | thanks |
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| 11:18.53 | babilen | martin-_-_: And OpenVPN in Debian should come with its own init script already ... also take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN but I am not sure how good it is. (page looks fine, but I've never read it) |
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| 11:19.25 | martin-_-_ | ok :) |
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| 11:23.42 | pengunix | Where is logged to when rsyslog and friends are not installed? |
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| 11:28.42 | DummyMode | good morning.. |
| 11:29.42 | DummyMode | I'm trying to compile a package and it's complaining about xgettext missing, does anyone know which package contain xgettext? thanks! |
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| 11:30.32 | jelly | DummyMode: which package are you trying to compile? |
| 11:30.40 | DummyMode | xen hypervisor |
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| 11:32.12 | shroud | DummyMode: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xgettext&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 11:32.59 | shroud | i.e. you probably want the "gettext" package |
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| 11:33.14 | DummyMode | it's installed gettext-base |
| 11:33.35 | jelly | thought xen was in Debian |
| 11:33.38 | jelly | !xen |
| 11:33.38 | dpkg | Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor / hypervisor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 11:33.40 | DummyMode | I also installed libgettext-ocaml-dev |
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| 11:34.06 | DummyMode | oh! my bad |
| 11:34.19 | DummyMode | gettext-base is not the same a gettext-base doh! |
| 11:34.24 | DummyMode | gettext I mean |
| 11:34.43 | DummyMode | gotta leave the dummymode :) |
| 11:34.46 | shroud | you might also want to read what jelly said :) |
| 11:35.06 | jelly | the wiki page seems to be horribly outdated |
| 11:35.31 | DummyMode | yes |
| 11:35.43 | jelly | ,v xen-linux-system |
| 11:35.44 | judd | No package named 'xen-linux-system' was found in i386. |
| 11:35.50 | jelly | ^^ does not exist, at all |
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| 11:37.54 | DummyMode | thanks for your help guys.. |
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| 12:13.48 | reasonable | Hey Guys. How would you recommend a noob to install some kind of a Google Drive client onto Gnome ? |
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| 12:17.43 | reasonable | Well, i guess i'm just going to google that on my own.. (sad face) |
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| 12:18.23 | reasonable | Anybody in for some good jokes then? |
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| 12:18.41 | bazhang | #debian-offtopic reasonable |
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| 12:21.40 | Benkinooby | !xlock |
| 12:21.40 | dpkg | somebody said xlock was a tool that locks your X session until you enter your password. Think of any use for such a program for yourself. |
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| 12:22.03 | Benkinooby | !lock |
| 12:22.54 | Benkinooby | um, what |
| 12:23.05 | Benkinooby | s the name of the tool to lock my screen from commandline |
| 12:23.26 | petern_ | xlock? |
| 12:23.40 | Benkinooby | petern_: nope |
| 12:24.09 | Benkinooby | petern_: there isn't even a package for that |
| 12:24.20 | Benkinooby | that's why i am askinng here |
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| 12:26.04 | petern_ | xtrlock? |
| 12:26.13 | petern_ | xscreensaver? |
| 12:26.25 | petern_ | searching the package list works |
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| 12:27.42 | Benkinooby | petern_: did you search it online or with apt-cache ? |
| 12:28.16 | Benkinooby | petern_: also found vlock - i was jsut surprised to not find it with its "common" name |
| 12:28.21 | petern_ | apt-cache |
| 12:28.40 | themill | vlock and xlock are rather different things |
| 12:28.47 | Benkinooby | petern_: can you tell me the command you used |
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| 12:29.23 | Benkinooby | themill: vlock will also lock all other virtual terms |
| 12:29.30 | Benkinooby | that's how i understood it |
| 12:29.51 | Benkinooby | but it would be nice, fi !xlock would give a more helpful text... |
| 12:29.53 | themill | it doesn't lock X sessions though. You might want to define what you mean by "screen" |
| 12:29.54 | Benkinooby | in this channel |
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| 12:31.20 | petern_ | apt-cache search lock | grep lock | grep -vi block | grep -vi clock |
| 12:31.20 | petern_ | :p |
| 12:31.23 | Benkinooby | well, i want to be able to lock my compters and unlock when i come back |
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| 12:31.34 | themill | that doesn't really help |
| 12:31.48 | petern_ | Still a few irrelevant results but most of the 'junk' filtered. |
| 12:31.57 | Benkinooby | i use fluxbox, so i am looking for command that i can bind into my menus |
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| 12:32.43 | themill | Benkinooby: most X users would be using either xscreensaver or some similar desktop-specific utility |
| 12:33.38 | Benkinooby | well, then i'll go with xscreensaver |
| 12:33.53 | Benkinooby | themill petern_ thank you two for advice |
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| 13:40.30 | caviwipes | Hi guys, my boss at work asked for a suggestion to build an HPC cluster. Since I have never even looked at this could someone suggest some good reading around this? Not just Google "Debian HPC" :-) |
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| 13:45.42 | ptron | hi I got an weird Problem with debhelper: When i try to build the Package, every thing looks fine until dh_install is executed. dh_install fails with: not found, but the files and path which the pattern wants, are there and existant. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:51.53 | ptron | no one? |
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| 13:54.31 | julius_ | hi |
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| 13:57.15 | sunbeam | hi, i've got a dedicated server, I am working on it now. At once (nobody logged in, nothing relevant running) I cannot save files I am working on |
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| 13:57.31 | sunbeam | When I run a process as a shell user |
| 13:57.39 | sunbeam | I get bash: /usr/bin/free: Input/output error |
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| 13:58.11 | petern_ | Sounds like you have an IO issue... |
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| 13:58.24 | sunbeam | When I execute 'ls -al' I see many ? ? ? at the cols i normally should see the file owner , rights etc |
| 13:58.28 | sunbeam | petern_: yes |
| 13:58.45 | sunbeam | What can I do best now? |
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| 13:59.17 | petern_ | Probably get a new drive and restore from backup. |
| 13:59.40 | r00t-err0r | is remastersys bast way to backup disto? |
| 13:59.51 | sunbeam | petern_: but I need to save some data now, that is gone forever? |
| 13:59.58 | sunbeam | I don't have a back up of everything |
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| 14:00.12 | petern_ | Find out what the problem is and go from there. |
| 14:00.28 | petern_ | dmesg, etc |
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| 14:00.36 | sunbeam | petern_: how can I best debug this? |
| 14:01.28 | sunbeam | dmesg? |
| 14:01.52 | sunbeam | petern_: many errors yes |
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| 14:02.47 | petern_ | Do you have physical access to it? |
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| 14:04.25 | sunbeam | petern_: no, its at leaseweb |
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| 14:05.32 | petern_ | Get them to deal with it then. |
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| 14:06.03 | jelly | sunbeam: contact your provider, then; if the disk has fallen off the bus you can try to reboot or power-cycle, but there's no guarantee of success |
| 14:06.06 | petern_ | But don't hope to retain anything that's not backed up. |
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| 14:06.23 | sunbeam | jelly: I will, thanks |
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| 14:07.24 | sunbeam | I just need to backup one damn site :( |
| 14:07.35 | petern_ | Good luck. |
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| 14:08.40 | sunbeam | Is it my problem? I leased the server from them |
| 14:08.49 | sunbeam | (when the HDD is broken) |
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| 14:09.42 | jelly | sunbeam: backing up the files is your problem; keeping the hardware and connectivity working is theirs |
| 14:09.47 | sunbeam | It's quite strange though, everything was fine, I was working on it |
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| 14:09.56 | sunbeam | and at once, almost no file is accessible |
| 14:10.03 | sunbeam | working on it just 10 mins ago |
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| 14:16.48 | TomyWork | I'm using equivs to create a package from a small application. I have the line "Files: extracted/foo /usr/bin/" in my equivs file, but the file ends up as "/usr/bin/extracted/foo". Can I make it so it ends up as "/usr/bin/foo" instead, without moving the file out of the extracted tarball? |
| 14:17.37 | TomyWork | I inspected the source of that program and it doesn't seem to offer that kind of functionality, but maybe I'm missing something, or a later version fixed that problem |
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| 14:18.44 | sunbeam | jelly: their helpdesk isn't answering aswell, to nothing, not normal for LW |
| 14:18.48 | sunbeam | maybe something else broke? |
| 14:18.59 | Guest53019 | nigaz |
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| 14:20.39 | womperm | Whats up niggas :D ! |
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| 14:25.45 | womperm | :/ |
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| 14:33.25 | womperm | Sorry for all... |
| 14:33.49 | womperm | English is not my native language... |
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| 14:36.36 | jelly | he seems to speak proxy usage and ban evasion fluently, tho |
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| 14:42.49 | womperm | I'm verry sorry |
| 14:43.09 | womperm | Really... |
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| 14:45.02 | womperm | Plase don't ban me... |
| 14:46.19 | womperm | babilen: Very, very sorry for you |
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| 14:50.45 | tanderson | Hello. Can any advise me how to remove/reset all my xsession configuration files. Essentially, I setup awesome wm to work with gnome a while ago. The recent update broke that. I don't remember which configuration files I mucked with, and now my GNOME session no longer works. |
| 14:50.58 | tanderson | *can anyone |
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| 14:52.26 | Daxro | Come share your favourite song in #detune |
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| 14:59.46 | w0mp3rm | Is not very funny... |
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| 15:09.51 | gasull | Hi. Is http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ trusted, unlike debian-multimedia.org? |
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| 15:10.15 | jhutchins | gasull: Same thing. |
| 15:10.20 | babilen | gasull: We neither recommend nor support it. It is however what it claims to be if you are referring to the "do not use" message |
| 15:10.21 | gasull | Oh, I see http://slashdot.org/story/13/06/14/0219213/debian-says-remove-unofficial-debian-multimediaorg-repository-from-your-sources |
| 15:10.30 | jelly | gasull: that's the new domain for the well known third-party repo, yes |
| 15:10.35 | jhutchins | gasull: They asked him to stop using the trademark name. |
| 15:10.45 | gasull | I see |
| 15:10.54 | gasull | But is it dangerous to use? |
| 15:11.14 | jelly | gasull: it's not malware, but has some know incompatibilities |
| 15:11.15 | gasull | I need to install Adobe Acrobat for work. |
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| 15:11.25 | babilen | gasull: gasull I wouldn't recommend to use it, but read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/03/msg00151.html |
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| 15:11.36 | r00t-err0r | where I can download jessie iso? :D if avalible :D |
| 15:11.44 | jelly | gasull: use it if you have to -- acroread would be a reasonably safe thing to install |
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| 15:12.07 | babilen | r00t-err0r: You should not use them as they are *not* meant to be used for installing jessie at this point in the release cycle. |
| 15:12.10 | jhutchins | gasull: I've been pretty happy with the free programs. |
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| 15:12.22 | Vliegendehuiskat | Guys, any idea why wakeonlan is disabled on pm-suspend? (while it works fine on win8) |
| 15:12.22 | jhutchins | gasull: Some of them even work with forms. |
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| 15:12.57 | gasull | jhutchins: I need to digitally sign a PDF |
| 15:13.08 | r00t-err0r | babilen i wanna risk :D i try to dist-upgrade but failed :D |
| 15:13.49 | babilen | r00t-err0r: You can try installing jessie with the stable installer, but the recommended way is to upgrade from wheezy. Start with a minimal (i.e. only standard task) install. |
| 15:14.08 | babilen | r00t-err0r: The testing installer isn't really ready .. at all. |
| 15:14.35 | gasull | jelly, jhutchins, babilen: thanks |
| 15:14.54 | babilen | r00t-err0r: But knock yourself out: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:14.55 | r00t-err0r | ok, i will try in few days, cause i now create my disto in live with remastersys, and now i can experiment with other releases :D |
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| 15:19.56 | fukyoubabilen | U are mega idiot! |
| 15:20.48 | jthomas__ | ops |
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| 15:29.29 | ESnowden | babilen: Hi! |
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| 15:44.38 | rhys | lol esnowden |
| 15:45.19 | babilen | eyes rhys |
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| 15:57.21 | Tasab | hello all , b4 am using lubuntu , and xchat installed properly but now using debian , how i can install xchat , hlp pls |
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| 15:57.49 | jelly | Tasab: just like any other thing, as root do apt-get install xchat or aptitude install xchat |
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| 15:58.26 | Tasab | jelly, |
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| 15:58.55 | Tasab | tried apt , but the msge xchat not located |
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| 16:01.04 | zykotick9 | Tasab: did you install, without a network connection? you should probably pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:01.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell Tasab -about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:02.03 | babilen | Tasab: You want something along the lines of http://paste.debian.net/69320/ in /etc/apt/sources.list -- Read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html and "man 5 sources.list" for additional information |
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| 16:03.02 | ratcheer | Does anyone else have troubles with systemd preload service? |
| 16:03.19 | babilen | Tasab: Once you've made sure that your sources.list is okay (you could paste it to http://paste.debian.net if you aren't sure) run "apt-get update" and you should be good to go. If that still doesn't work for you paste your exact command and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy xchat" |
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| 16:03.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell ratcheer -about anyone |
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| 16:04.01 | babilen | ratcheer: Check on http://bugs.debian.org and please ask specific questions. :) |
| 16:04.48 | ratcheer | Sorry. Mine was running extremely slowly. I found a tip to remove /var/lib/preload/preload.state |
| 16:05.25 | ratcheer | That gave me my fastest bootup ever, but I would like to understand more about what is going on with it. |
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| 16:12.29 | gremble | How would I repair a problem with systemd-logind? The error that I get is that it fails to return a method call when starting X |
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| 16:20.57 | jordanm | gremble: If you are in testing or sid it's likely that systemd is in a transitional period |
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| 16:24.58 | xreal | Is there an online service which lists the depending packages/libraries for building a package in a good way, like JSON or XML ? |
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| 16:27.56 | antivirys | i have problem with nvidia driver ? |
| 16:28.04 | antivirys | My debian version 7 wheezy |
| 16:28.24 | jelly | xreal: since judd bot has build-dep information I'm _guessing_ it might be in the UDD |
| 16:28.25 | antivirys | this a problem -> If you plan to no longer use the NVIDIA driver, you should make sure that no X screens are configured to |
| 16:28.26 | antivirys | use the NVIDIA X driver in your X configuration file. If you used nvidia-xconfig to configure X, it may |
| 16:28.26 | antivirys | have created a backup of your original configuration. Would you like to run `nvidia-xconfig |
| 16:28.26 | antivirys | --restore-original-backup` to attempt restoration of the original X configuration file? |
| 16:28.26 | antivirys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.28 | jelly | !tell xreal about udd |
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| 16:28.36 | jelly | !tell xreal about build-dep |
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| 16:28.56 | antivirys | and here wants apt to perform any function |
| 16:28.58 | antivirys | ... |
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| 16:29.20 | e1z0 | paciulk ir praeis |
| 16:29.34 | antivirys | try turning off X environment, however the problem is the same with apt |
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| 16:30.13 | babilen | antivirys: That doesn't look like the Debian package but the (unsupported by us) nvidia installer from nvidia.com |
| 16:30.17 | xreal | jelly: thanks. but I can't access this port from my network :( |
| 16:30.47 | antivirys | thanks man what I'm trying to do but you have to delete the old driveri |
| 16:30.55 | jelly | xreal: find a less broken network, sorry |
| 16:31.07 | babilen | antivirys: Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for instructions on how to install the nvidia driver on Debian. Check that your card is supported by the driver version in question and grab the one from wheezy-backports if you need that. |
| 16:31.27 | babilen | antivirys: So you used the installer from nvidia.com already? |
| 16:32.22 | antivirys | Delete them from dpkg purge and then I drivera downloaded from the official website of nvidiya and from there tells me that you have to install the kernel header file and with it my go-nvidiya instaler-tsleanup and right there gives me an error delete the old module with rmmod nvidiya but same problem |
| 16:33.15 | xreal | jelly: the admin is a ... grrr. I don't like him. |
| 16:33.30 | babilen | antivirys: We really do not support their installer nor removal scripts. That being said: Our packages deal with repairing most of the damage their installer does. You should only have to remove a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if you created one. |
| 16:33.37 | gremble | Hmm ok jordanm. Thanks. Is there anyway to get it working perhaps? |
| 16:34.08 | xreal | What's the "progress" channel ? |
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| 16:35.02 | antivirys | this focus, I tried it but it is not |
| 16:35.04 | babilen | antivirys: I would, by the way, recommend to install the 319 version from wheezy-backports. Install the headers for your kernel first with "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')" and then the driver with "aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 16:35.27 | antivirys | babilen: i show you private chat ok? |
| 16:35.45 | babilen | antivirys: No, paste output to http://paste.debian.net and we/I do *not* support their installer. |
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| 16:38.09 | antivirys | babilen: |
| 16:38.12 | antivirys | this is a ready |
| 16:38.13 | antivirys | ? |
| 16:38.17 | babilen | what? |
| 16:38.37 | antivirys | but whezzy -backsports is a invalid apt |
| 16:39.00 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/69341/ |
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| 16:39.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell antivirys -about wheezy-backports |
| 16:39.46 | babilen | antivirys: You need a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/69320/ ( in /etc/apt/sources.list , run "apt-get update" after making changes) |
| 16:40.27 | babilen | antivirys: And it is "wheezy-backports" not "whezzy -backsports" -- please pay attention to get the spelling right as it is important! |
| 16:40.56 | babilen | antivirys: btw, any particular reason why you use i386 and not amd64? |
| 16:41.04 | antivirys | i386 |
| 16:41.29 | antivirys | i'm ready source list and update :) |
| 16:41.49 | e1z0 | eikit visi NACHUJ |
| 16:41.51 | babilen | antivirys: yes, *why* do you use i386 and not amd64 (just curious) |
| 16:41.52 | r00t-err0r | is my sources good? http://paste.debian.net/69342/ |
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| 16:42.01 | e1z0 | uzpyso klausyt jsu problemu |
| 16:42.30 | antivirys | i don't know |
| 16:42.44 | antivirys | i use i386 version |
| 16:42.44 | e1z0 | i don't know too |
| 16:42.48 | babilen | r00t-err0r: I'd use http.debian.net (as in http://paste.debian.net/69320/) but your sources.list should be fine |
| 16:42.53 | e1z0 | lol |
| 16:43.11 | pengunix | hi |
| 16:43.25 | r00t-err0r | ok, cause i download full speed with this mirrors :D i just need to know did I add right :D |
| 16:43.27 | pengunix | So I want to know why sudo needs the /etc/default/locale file. For what purpose? |
| 16:43.30 | babilen | antivirys: Well, you installed it. At one point you must have made the decision to install the 32bit version and not the 64bit one. How much RAM do you have? What is your processor? |
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| 16:43.49 | antivirys | my processor intel celeron dual core 2.8 ghz |
| 16:44.01 | antivirys | video geforce 210 1 gb |
| 16:44.10 | antivirys | ram 2 gb ddr2 600mhz |
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| 16:45.09 | antivirys | i'm using 32 bit |
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| 16:46.24 | antivirys | .I always install the old version of Debian 6 video driver without a problem |
| 16:46.32 | SM0TVI | wonders if there are people knowledgeable in sendmail configuration in the house. |
| 16:46.34 | babilen | antivirys: Alright, so ... what happens now if you follow my installation instructions? Please also make sure to delete any /etc/X11/xorg.conf file you might have created with nvidia-xconfig and to configure Xorg as discussed on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
| 16:46.48 | antivirys | always problems samichak I fix them |
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| 16:51.19 | pengunix | What Debian Package provides pam base / unix pam module? |
| 16:51.22 | pengunix | base? |
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| 16:52.10 | antivirys | babilen: |
| 16:52.23 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/69348/ |
| 16:52.27 | antivirys | this my problem |
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| 16:55.16 | ChrisH | antivirys: YOu need to install gcc-4.6 and set CC to point to gcc-4.6 This bring you one step further. |
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| 16:55.50 | antivirys | gcc-4.6 is installer |
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| 16:56.12 | antivirys | how to draw leading to CC? |
| 16:56.20 | guston | update to gcc-4.7 ;) |
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| 16:56.34 | antivirys | gcc-4.7 is a ready update and installer |
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| 16:57.06 | babilen | antivirys: Please don't use the nvidia installer, but follow the instructions I gave you earlier. Unfortunately I have to run now, so someone else has to support you. |
| 16:57.26 | antivirys | hm |
| 16:57.39 | pengunix | Anyone? |
| 16:57.41 | pengunix | What Debian Package provides pam base / unix pam module? |
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| 16:58.24 | antivirys | aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
| 16:58.28 | antivirys | this ? babilen |
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| 16:58.51 | antivirys | .... |
| 16:59.08 | babilen | antivirys: No |
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| 16:59.38 | babilen | antivirys: You already installed the kernel headers and I recommended to install the driver from wheezy-backports. I also gave you the command to do that earlier. Please pay attention! |
| 16:59.38 | antivirys | m-a update && m-a prepare ? |
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| 17:00.06 | babilen | antivirys: No, don't use module-assistant. I am referring to "aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 17:01.32 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/69351/ |
| 17:01.33 | antivirys | ? |
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| 17:02.41 | babilen | antivirys: Yes, as indicated earlier: Our packages clean up the mess of the installer from nvidia.com -- You probably want to answer no there |
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| 17:03.29 | sunbeam | jelly: here still? |
| 17:03.40 | babilen | antivirys: I also said earlier that you have to remove a previously created /etc/X11/xorg.conf file which you obviously haven't done so far. Continue with the installation and then configure as detailed on the wiki. Good luck! |
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| 17:06.49 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 17:06.53 | TheWarden | what is the package name for the ftp client? I have a raspberry pi that doesn't have a ftp client and searching the package names for ftp has come up empty. |
| 17:06.57 | TheWarden | oh nevermind I believe I just found it. |
| 17:07.15 | jhutchins | babilen: I don't seem to find the -r option in aptitude's man page. |
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| 17:08.07 | babilen | jhutchins: "-r, --with-recommends" (and so on) |
| 17:08.53 | wood_quinn_ | I'm looking for suggestions on making a local virtual network on my machine. |
| 17:09.37 | wood_quinn_ | I'd basically like to set up four interfaces to monitor and send raw data from, two in each LAN. |
| 17:09.45 | wood_quinn_ | Any pointers on what I need to be looking for? |
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| 17:10.06 | jelly | sunbeam: nope! |
| 17:10.33 | sunbeam | jelly: :) |
| 17:10.37 | sunbeam | jelly: reboot fixed everything |
| 17:10.42 | sunbeam | jelly: strange huh ? :o |
| 17:10.56 | sunbeam | any idea what this could have been? |
| 17:11.07 | pengunix | What Debian Package provides pam base / unix pam module? |
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| 17:11.15 | babilen | jelly says no! |
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| 17:12.08 | jelly | sunbeam: I bet if you ask the provider they're going to say nothing happened |
| 17:12.34 | jelly | pengunix: /msg judd file pam_unix.so |
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| 17:12.38 | xreal | Is there a tool to search for dependencies when backporting packages? |
| 17:12.46 | sunbeam | jelly: ehm how do you mean? |
| 17:12.54 | sunbeam | jelly: you think this is related to the provider? |
| 17:12.57 | sunbeam | the hdd issues |
| 17:13.13 | jelly | sunbeam: isn't the hardware theirs? |
| 17:13.13 | bugzc | I am trying to install debian 7.1 on a i5/p8z77 system on a RAID1 volume on an Supermicro/LSI AOC-USAS2-L8i. It refuses to boot from the DVD. it tries to read from it for a sec then the system just reboots. I am using a USB ODD. Any suggestions? (an openmediavault cd i tried which is based on debian 6 i think did the same thing) |
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| 17:14.42 | sunbeam | jelly: it is theirs yes |
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| 17:17.25 | jhutchins | babilen: tx. |
| 17:17.42 | antivirys | babilen: thanks i'm ready driver is a ready beatu :D |
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| 17:19.18 | jhutchins | bugzc: Have you verified the iso and the burned disk? |
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| 17:20.08 | bugzc | jhutchins: I just tried with an internal ODD and it seems to load the boot menu fine. so the image must be okay |
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| 17:35.27 | obesd | curious what steps implemented to make sure a thing like the ssl bug is even less likely to happen again (eg extra reviews, or second person has to OK a commit for security critical software) ? is there like a wiki or documentation on this somewher? |
| 17:35.30 | obesd | mailing list perhaps ? |
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| 17:36.53 | brontosaurusrex | peaceblaster, out something in /home/thatuser/.bashrc ? |
| 17:37.42 | brontosaurusrex | peaceblaster, like cat ~/asciiart.txt |
| 17:37.56 | xreal | Is there a script like judd's checkbackport for UDD ? |
| 17:37.58 | peaceblaster | I ended up just dropping a text file in their home folder and using cat in .bashrc so I guess problem solved |
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| 17:39.55 | rasc | bugzc:: just looking the menu doesn't mean much, I had a couple go into the menu, and start the test, and be a dud |
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| 17:42.32 | pengunix | jelly: does the bot judd use apt-file search command? |
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| 17:44.05 | jelly | no, it's a bit smarter than that, but I think it looks at the same Contents files from the repo |
| 17:44.35 | rasc | pengunix: isn't judd look into UDD? |
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| 17:50.42 | joe4 | how can i automaticly go in to the path from locate or find command |
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| 17:52.16 | joe4 | do i have to write a script or sth |
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| 17:52.25 | pengunix | rasc: could be, too |
| 17:52.27 | pengunix | hmm |
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| 17:52.54 | joe4 | or is there osibilty to do it without script |
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| 17:52.58 | xreal | When using "checkbackport postgresql-9.3-postgis-2.1" (for wheezy amd64), judd says: "unsatisfiable build dependencies: postgresql-common", but "checkbackport postgresql-common" results in: "all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy". Is this a bug in judd? |
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| 17:54.05 | jordanm | xreal: kind-of, not really. it's telling you that you would have to backport postgresql-common first |
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| 17:54.23 | sKeiths | joe4. cd `locate whatever` |
| 17:54.44 | xreal | jordanm: ah okay. Is there "judd for commandline" ? |
| 17:54.49 | sKeiths | dont know what it will do with multiple replies |
| 17:55.02 | jordanm | xreal: no |
| 17:55.19 | sKeiths | joe4: but if locate finds one directory, it will work |
| 17:55.22 | xreal | jordanm: So I need to write my own one? |
| 17:55.40 | joe4 | it doesn't work |
| 17:55.56 | jordanm | xreal: sure, but it uses the UDD which is quite large |
| 17:56.07 | sKeiths | ` = the slanty one, not a quote |
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| 17:56.12 | bbtech | What's a good chat client to use on debian? |
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| 17:56.20 | bbtech | *irc chat |
| 17:56.23 | xreal | jordanm: 700 MB != large. I'm working with OpenStreetMap-data with > 70 GB in my PostgrSQL |
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| 17:57.19 | pengunix | Where can I find the log for pam? |
| 17:57.21 | pengunix | I mean the pam modules (unix)? |
| 17:58.22 | sKeiths | okay, i tested multiple results, it will goto the first one, like i'm feeling lucky |
| 17:58.50 | joe4 | how you make it |
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| 17:59.26 | sKeiths | on my keyboard, it is the button left of the number 1. |
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| 17:59.51 | joe4 | you mean this one ~ |
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| 18:00.05 | sKeiths | nope ` |
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| 18:00.41 | sKeiths | where are you from, maybe somebody here with same keyboard can help you find the key |
| 18:01.15 | joe4 | ok i got it ` |
| 18:01.30 | brontosaurusrex | find has -exec parameter you want to read about joe4 |
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| 18:02.43 | pengunix | Can I use sudo inside a lxc system container?! |
| 18:03.06 | joe4 | my head is full of reading the man |
| 18:03.31 | joe4 | sometimes i've got enought |
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| 18:03.46 | systemfish | dpkg -i whatev.deb does not uninstall the thing if it's already installed, does it? |
| 18:03.47 | dpkg | package whatev.deb does not uninstall the thing if it's already installed, does it is already installed |
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| 18:04.53 | joe4 | brontosaurusrex: th |
| 18:05.07 | gremble | systemd is being rude to me with its systemd-logind. I am running a Jessie system. Is there anyway to fix this? because it is making my life rather tedious |
| 18:05.18 | systemfish | dpkg: you make no sense you nonsense bot |
| 18:05.18 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 18:05.23 | joe4 | sKeiths: th too |
| 18:05.26 | systemfish | dpkg: i hate you. period. |
| 18:05.27 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, systemfish |
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| 18:06.49 | dutchfish | systemfish, its answers are limited, to obtain usefull results, you have to ask the right questions..... |
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| 18:08.55 | obesd | when i look at openbsd's commits they seem to always be having a second person OKing their commits |
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| 18:10.59 | obesd | systemfish: canine ? |
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| 18:16.50 | bugzc | does anyone know if there is a way to check SMART on individual drives in RAID1 using a SAS2008 lsi controller? i am only finding rhel/centos monitoring tools for it but its using mpt2sas drivers i think |
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| 18:18.09 | systemfish | I installed fglrx from AMDs webpage. When I log in, I get a black screen and gets logged out again |
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| 18:18.42 | pengunix | I get 'Sorry, try again.' in a row when trying sudo as normal user. There is no password prompt at all. How to fix this??? |
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| 18:18.52 | pengunix | that user belongs to group sudo btw |
| 18:19.07 | garylabronz | Whats the best way to install debian to a usb, so i can boot off it and use it as the 'hdd' |
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| 18:19.28 | pengunix | debian@box:~$ groups debian sudo |
| 18:19.39 | dondelelcaro | bugzc: sometimes there is a -d option that will work with smart, but other times, you have to use the raid controller software to output the smart data |
| 18:19.44 | pengunix | is this a sudo, a pam or some different problem? |
| 18:20.08 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: what does /etc/sudoers; say? |
| 18:20.44 | systemfish | pengunix: dude, do you know how hard it is to be a single mom with three children? |
| 18:20.45 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: does sudo -ll; output anything useful? |
| 18:20.47 | joe4 | s.i.n |
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| 18:21.06 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: wheezy distribution defaults: http://pastebin.com/2gZBxQih |
| 18:21.07 | systemfish | dondelelcaro: no |
| 18:21.17 | pengunix | systemfish: how is this related? |
| 18:21.38 | bugzc | dondelelcaro: I cant seem to find anything for debian for that card :/ at least not from LSI/Supermicro. I will look at the smartctl thing |
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| 18:21.57 | dondelelcaro | bugzc: even if you can find something for another Linux, that should work |
| 18:22.02 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: I executed sudo -ll in normal user which gives me that 'Sorry, try again.' 3x in a row. |
| 18:22.08 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: hrm |
| 18:22.11 | systemfish | pengunix: you are accusing me of things I don't even know how to use |
| 18:22.15 | bugzc | dondelelcaro: there are rpms for centos/rhel 6.4 |
| 18:22.21 | dondelelcaro | bugzc: you can use alien on those |
| 18:22.36 | dondelelcaro | systemfish: if you don't have a Debian related question, please stop. |
| 18:22.56 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: as root I get this: http://pastebin.com/wbX4smk5 |
| 18:23.13 | bugzc | dondelelcaro: it crossed my mind but i wasnt sure if that would work. ive never done that before heh |
| 18:23.14 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: as root sudo works, but this is pointless... |
| 18:23.24 | pengunix | systemfish: a pam related joke? |
| 18:23.42 | systemfish | dondelelcaro: I don't feel that you're respecting my feelings |
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| 18:23.51 | pengunix | oh he want's to be booted |
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| 18:24.32 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: it is a newly installed base system with all important and required prio packages. |
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| 18:24.38 | bugzc | dondelelcaro: no go with smartctl http://pastebin.centos.org/6366/ |
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| 18:24.43 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: and sudo / adduser has been installed. |
| 18:24.59 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: hrm. that's really wierd. anything else odd about this? have you logged back in since adding yourself to sudo |
| 18:25.16 | garylabronz | could i boot a machine off usb, plug in another usb and just install the 'netinstall' onto the second usb? |
| 18:25.33 | dondelelcaro | garylabronz: yes |
| 18:25.44 | garylabronz | sweet, ill jsut do that |
| 18:25.47 | dondelelcaro | garylabronz: or at least, you should be able to. I'm not sure how trivial the installer will make it |
| 18:25.57 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: yes, something appears in the /var/log/auth.log: Nov 25 12:33:17 localhost sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): authentication failure; logname=debian uid=1000 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty1 ruser=debian rhost= user=debian |
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| 18:26.09 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: Nov 25 12:33:22 localhost sudo: debian : 3 incorrect password attempts ; TTY=tty1 ; PWD=/home/debian ; USER=root ; COMMAND=list |
| 18:26.21 | garylabronz | ill see how it goes, i have a laptop here with a dead hdd, but i want to use it for downloading/etc |
| 18:26.21 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: not very informative |
| 18:26.29 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: can I make the log more verbose? |
| 18:27.08 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: hrm; that seems to indicate that it's actually seeing the password for some reason |
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| 18:27.35 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: no prompt is offered (to me) |
| 18:27.49 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: yeah |
| 18:27.55 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: scary, what types in the password instead of me? |
| 18:28.46 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: and obviously the password is wrong |
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| 18:28.56 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: hrm... your clock is also really far off too |
| 18:29.02 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: CET |
| 18:29.15 | dondelelcaro | it's not Nov 25 12:33:22. |
| 18:29.18 | dondelelcaro | it's December 4th. |
| 18:29.19 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: no |
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| 18:29.44 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: timezone is messed up - could this be the reason? does sudo use the current time/data as login criteria, too? (as the hostname)? |
| 18:29.55 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: yes, it needs to know the correct time |
| 18:29.59 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: what does date -u; output? |
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| 18:30.53 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: hurra, we come closer to the reason |
| 18:31.04 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: Mon Nov 25 12:42:33 UTC 2013 |
| 18:31.27 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: UTC is Greenwich Mean Time, so the date and time are wrong, even with that timehone |
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| 18:31.58 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: the offset is just +1, so date and time are abviously wrong... |
| 18:32.46 | peterS | yeah you have to work pretty hard to find a timezone in which it's still November 25 |
| 18:32.48 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: I will try to fix date and time and retry |
| 18:33.23 | peterS | it's _almost_ the 11-day offset between julian and gregorian time, but not quite |
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| 18:33.51 | pengunix | peterS: wrong calendar picked? |
| 18:34.43 | peterS | I refer to that point in the mid 18th century when the English calendar was bumped up 11 days |
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| 18:35.31 | pengunix | OK, I got this now: Wed Dec 4 19:34:01 CET 2013 |
| 18:35.34 | pengunix | Looks right, right? |
| 18:36.02 | jelly-home | give or take a minute, yes |
| 18:36.05 | peterS | looks right to me |
| 18:36.35 | pengunix | ok |
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| 18:37.11 | pengunix | dondelelcaro / jelly-home / peterS: sudo still doesn't like me! :( |
| 18:37.25 | pengunix | dondelelcaro / jelly-home / peterS: why do I get three login failures in a row without typing anything? |
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| 18:38.38 | peterS | pengunix: to see the 11-day gap I refer to: 'cal 9 1752' |
| 18:38.56 | codygman | The alias to the nvidia kernel module is incorrect in debian testing: http://sprunge.us/DeTJ where should I report it? |
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| 18:39.42 | jelly-home | pengunix: no idea. What does "debconf-get-selections |grep libpam-runtime/profiles" say? |
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| 18:42.14 | pengunix | jelly-home: dpkg --get-selections | grep "libpam-runtime/profiles" output: nothing |
| 18:42.21 | pengunix | jelly-home: so something is not installed yet? |
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| 18:43.19 | peterS | he didn't say dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:43.36 | pengunix | peterS: the other command doesn't work |
| 18:43.53 | peterS | probably he meant 'debconf-show libpam-runtime' |
| 18:44.32 | pengunix | jelly-home / peterS: http://pastebin.com/73pMXNfA |
| 18:45.41 | xreal | Anyone with some nice SELECTs to access UDD ? |
| 18:46.41 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: hrm... and does sudo do that even if you run it as root? |
| 18:46.53 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: does sudo -ll; as a normal user also do things badly? |
| 18:47.36 | jelly-home | when did debconf-show start existing |
| 18:47.41 | dondelelcaro | pengunix: it might also be worthwhile to clear out /var/lib/sudo/ |
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| 18:48.39 | peterS | jelly-home: no idea, but the first entry in /usr/share/doc/debconf/changelog.gz refers to a bugfix in it |
| 18:48.57 | peterS | so apparently it was born in or before 2004 |
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| 18:54.37 | omar | hi everyone |
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| 19:05.43 | xreal | Do we have access to judd's logfiles? |
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| 19:07.00 | jbraeg | who is judd |
| 19:08.06 | musca | jbraeg: it is a bot here in the channel |
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| 19:08.13 | jbraeg | ah |
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| 19:10.08 | xreal | I'd like to read its DB queries. Would save me MUCH time. |
| 19:10.30 | musca | xreal: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
| 19:10.58 | xreal | musca: Yeah, but I'd like to see just the query log without installing the whole thing. |
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| 19:11.37 | xreal | maybe ircbots@###########.net can help. |
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| 19:15.17 | musca | xreal: maybe even human beings can answer your question |
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| 19:16.11 | xreal | musca: I'd love to know the query for judd's "checkbackport" command. |
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| 19:23.54 | xreal | musca: doesn't work as it seems :p |
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| 19:25.15 | musca | hmm? i guess you know about aptitudes/apt-gets build-dep option? |
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| 19:28.05 | OPERATOR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IgSArHmdl0 |
| 19:28.47 | xreal | musca: I'm looking for a tool, which helps me at backporting. Tell me, which dependencies I need to build etc. |
| 19:29.00 | xreal | musca: judd is pretty nice for this. |
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| 19:32.00 | martin-_-_ | hey I'm using /etc/init.d/skeletion for connecting to an openvpn server. I have to overgive some parameters the deamon openvpn, but when executing it tells me I got too much arguments how can solve this problem? http://pastebin.com/Fiduf2vZ |
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| 19:34.25 | szaus18 | what's the difference between qemu-utils(qemu-kvm) and qemu-kvm(kvm) on wheezy? |
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| 19:38.42 | ScottE | martin-_-_: looks like the error is pretty clear, think about the contents of $DAEMON and see the test manpage to understand what -x does |
| 19:39.50 | martin-_-_ | I dont know where to place the arguments else |
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| 19:40.36 | xreal | musca: or am I mistaken? |
| 19:40.41 | martin-_-_ | when placing them to line start-stop-daemon I receive an other error |
| 19:41.35 | sim590 | Hi. I don't understand how I should start gitweb on my system.. I have apache2 running.. my website runs fine, but when I try to go to <mywebsite/gitweb> it doesn't find the page. |
| 19:41.48 | sim590 | I have gitweb installed |
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| 19:42.01 | sim590 | I have /etc/apache2/conf.d/gitweb file |
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| 19:43.37 | sim590 | the debian depo says that if apache is installed, the gitweb page (under /gitweb) should be available right away... |
| 19:44.48 | dondelelcaro | sim590: assuming you reload apache, yes. |
| 19:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | szaus18, apt-cache show qemu-utils (and apt-cache show qemu-kvm) should make it clear |
| 19:44.54 | dondelelcaro | sim590: localhost/gitweb should generally work |
| 19:44.59 | sim590 | I did several times. |
| 19:45.11 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: sudo runs well on root. sudo -ll as a normal user fails, too. |
| 19:45.21 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: delete everything in /var/lib/sudo/* ? |
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| 19:52.45 | socomm | I've created a qcow2 image "qemu-img create -f qcow2 vdisk.img 40G", but the debian installer shows the disk as being 196kb. |
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| 19:54.19 | martin-_-_ | Hm, I get "unrecognized option `--config' Try `start-stop-daemon --help' for more information." on lin e "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid \ --exec $DAEMON $CONFIG. The $CONFIG parameter contains the parameters of the daemon |
| 19:54.43 | martin-_-_ | it seems that i have to transport these parameters from the openvpn specially? |
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| 19:55.39 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: I deleted everything in /var/lib/sudo. The difference is that I get that moralic message at the beginning (with great power comes great responsibility). But still 3x login failure. |
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| 19:56.29 | jordanm | martin-_-_: $DAEMON -- $CONFIG |
| 19:56.36 | martin-_-_ | thanks |
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| 20:00.12 | szaus18 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I did that and also looked at their binaries installed, it's unclear to me that on a kvm-enabled system, should I still use qemu-img or kvm-img, or, is qemu-kvm obsolete as a whole nowadays? |
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| 20:01.00 | szaus18 | i.e. should we just use qemu-utils and forgot about qemu-kvm? what's the purpose of qemu-kvm if all of its utils are obsolete |
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| 20:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | szaus18, qemu-kvm contains the servie, which is started via init.d. qemu-utils contains utils e.g. for making images. there's no overlap between the packages? it's just been divided because people may have to make an image on their host, but not run the service? |
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| 20:08.02 | szaus18 | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I think. qemu-kvm provides the kvm kernel driver, qemu-utils provides the utils, the similar named utils from qemu-kvm is obsolete(e.g. kvm-nbd) |
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| 20:09.01 | wols_ | the kernel provides the kvm kernel driver |
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| 20:10.15 | szaus18 | one more thing left though, I'm not sure the relationship between qemu-kvm:/usr/bin/kvm and those qemu-system-* full-system-emulator-binaries, what's the purpose of /usr/bin/kvm? |
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| 20:12.09 | ompaul | szaus18: to say this exec qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm "$@" |
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| 20:13.36 | szaus18 | ompaul: so it's just a wrapper, wish it's a script instead of an elf |
| 20:13.36 | ompaul | szaus18: file /usr/bin/kvm tells you it's an ascii text executable file looking at ls -al tells you its 52bits and whats even more fun is you can cat it and get the shell name it is run by ;-) |
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| 20:13.55 | szaus18 | let me check again, though it's a non-script |
| 20:14.06 | ompaul | szaus18: yymv I'm on sid |
| 20:14.29 | szaus18 | /usr/bin/kvm: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 |
| 20:14.34 | szaus18 | i'm on wheezy |
| 20:14.49 | ompaul | ls -al says what? |
| 20:15.07 | szaus18 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4698608 Mar 18 2013 /usr/bin/kvm |
| 20:15.17 | szaus18 | this looks like a qemu-system-* |
| 20:15.47 | szaus18 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4725568 Mar 18 2013 /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 |
| 20:16.14 | ompaul | ahh welcome to transitions |
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| 20:17.35 | ompaul | I was actually hoping for links ala lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Nov 18 2012 xzegrep -> xzgrep |
| 20:18.04 | szaus18 | sudo kvm -h |
| 20:18.05 | szaus18 | QEMU emulator version 1.1.2 (qemu-kvm-1.1.2+dfsg-6, Debian), |
| 20:18.13 | alxgomz_ | hi everybody, I would like to know what's the status of gnome 3.8 in debian jessie? |
| 20:18.34 | szaus18 | qemu-system-i386 -h |
| 20:18.35 | szaus18 | QEMU emulator version 1.1.2 (Debian 1.1.2+dfsg-6a) |
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| 20:18.54 | alxgomz_ | I have jessie amd64 and I still can't upgrade without loosing some gnome apps, banshee, pulseuadio and so on |
| 20:19.17 | ompaul | ,versions gnome |
| 20:19.18 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+4; sid: 1:3.8+4 |
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| 20:19.48 | alxgomz_ | hm... sounds like my apt db is messed up then |
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| 20:20.04 | wols_ | ,v banshee |
| 20:20.05 | judd | Package: banshee on i386 -- squeeze: 1.6.1-1.1; wheezy: 2.4.1-3+b1; jessie: 2.6.1-3; sid: 2.6.1-3 |
| 20:20.08 | ompaul | alxgomz_: jessie is called unstable for a reason, it may work today, but if you expect to get two days running in a row you might be every so slightly optomistic |
| 20:20.28 | wols_ | while jessie is unstable, it's not called that :) |
| 20:20.47 | ompaul | alxgomz_: do this log out of X then on a console log in as root and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (exactly that) |
| 20:21.00 | ompaul | wols_: how perceptive of you :P |
| 20:21.05 | szaus18 | diff `kvm -h` `qeum-system-i386 -h` showed little difference |
| 20:21.18 | ompaul | mutters about someone else being more right |
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| 20:21.36 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, I am mainly worried about my apt db being messed up... my system is 3 years old and had several dist-upgrade so am not 100% sure |
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| 20:21.38 | ompaul | mumble rubarb mumble |
| 20:22.09 | ompaul | alxgomz_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into exactly this http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | rhubarb cake! |
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| 20:24.17 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/69392/ |
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| 20:27.17 | ompaul | alxgomz_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:30.12 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, it claim 66 packages needs to be removed, among which pulseaudio, gnome-control-center banshee.... and so on and so forth |
| 20:30.17 | pengunix | dondelelcaro: I deleted everything in /var/lib/sudo. The difference is that I get that moralic message at the beginning (with great power comes great responsibility). But still 3x login failure. |
| 20:30.26 | ompaul | alxgomz_: btw you don't need that with the fr stuff there deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing contrib non-free main |
| 20:30.39 | ompaul | alxgomz_: and is it holding any packages bac? |
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| 20:31.46 | ompaul | alxgomz_: it is a very simple question, either apt is showing that it wants to hold something back or it isn't |
| 20:32.30 | alxgomz_ | nope, but if I only "upgrade" instead of dist-upgrade, it says 386 packages needs to be kept |
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| 20:33.56 | ompaul | alxgomz_: and if you upgrade you don't get what testing has to offer |
| 20:34.13 | alxgomz_ | I am still stuck with gnome 3.4 |
| 20:34.49 | ompaul | alxgomz_: are you going to do apt-get dist-upgrade when you are moving forward? if not you should stick with stable |
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| 20:35.13 | ompaul | alxgomz_: upgrade is what you do on stable - the idea of testing is to get the newer stuff, and to test |
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| 20:35.23 | ompaul | alxgomz_: dist-upgrade brings in the new |
| 20:35.28 | sushemsu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.30 | sushemsu | mt |
| 20:36.28 | ompaul | alxgomz_: btw there is no security for testing at this point |
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| 20:36.40 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, I want to have newer version of softwares as it's a desktop home system. but I don't want to lose pulseaudio and all the other packages it wants to uninstall... so no I don't want to dist-upgrade for now |
| 20:37.06 | ompaul | alxgomz_: if you upgrade you are doing it wrong that's all Im saying |
| 20:37.46 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, i am just doing dist-upgrade....I must have messed my apt db at some point.... |
| 20:37.56 | alxgomz_ | any idea how to fix it? |
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| 20:38.40 | ompaul | alxgomz_: you have offered me no evidence of that until you have done the dist-upgrade |
| 20:38.52 | ompaul | alxgomz_: I'm going to walk the mutt around the block |
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| 20:44.19 | alxgomz_ | ompaul,hm interesting: aptitude seems to be clever resolving depencies... only 30 packages to be removed, and none of them are really problematic. |
| 20:44.29 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, I think I will give it a try |
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| 20:45.41 | GuestO4151 | are there advantages of aptitude besides apt-get? |
| 20:46.33 | alxgomz_ | Guest04151, it seems there are. So far I never had any issue with apt. But today I have to witness it by myself |
| 20:46.36 | peaceblaster | wider software support |
| 20:46.41 | peaceblaster | if nothing else |
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| 20:47.17 | alxgomz_ | Guest04151, seems to better resolve dependencies in some complex cases |
| 20:47.22 | GuestO4151 | and what about the repos? does aptitute take them from the same sources.list? |
| 20:47.49 | alxgomz_ | Guest04151, yup |
| 20:48.53 | pengunix | Many spammers around here, they even pm me |
| 20:49.04 | pengunix | Do I have to take it personally? |
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| 20:49.31 | GuestO4151 | lul isnt it a privilegue? |
| 20:49.42 | GuestO4151 | u have fans xD |
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| 20:49.42 | pengunix | no! |
| 20:49.54 | ctmjr | dpkg why aptitude |
| 20:49.54 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 20:50.15 | pengunix | Am I already notorious on IRC? I hope not so... |
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| 20:50.26 | pengunix | (in a negative way) |
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| 20:53.06 | giovanotti | if I want to make my own repo and I have more than one repository, what sould I use, apt-mirror or debmirror?? |
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| 20:53.51 | ompaul | alxgomz_: so the thing is this, resolving deps when they are unmet can be fun |
| 20:55.56 | mr_c15 | hello:) |
| 20:56.01 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, yup I can see that. Though that's the very first time I end up in such a situation in more than 10 years... That's still acceptable ;) |
| 20:56.14 | mr_c15 | can someone help me with my problem which is higher cpu temperature in debian than in windows 7? |
| 20:56.30 | mr_c15 | when I set powersave mode on windows 7 the temperature drops below 60 C deg |
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| 20:56.41 | ompaul | alxgomz_: well the real thing is this, transitions where something is going out of style and something is coming in to replace it is fun |
| 20:56.43 | alxgomz_ | ompaul, thanks for you time, I will now switch to console to start the dist-upgrade cheers |
| 20:56.58 | mr_c15 | when I run clean debian 7 without gnome only console |
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| 20:57.11 | xreal | I'm looking for a tool/script or query for UltimateDebianDatabase, which helps me at backporting. Tell me, which dependencies I need to build etc. The same, "judd" does with "checkbackport". |
| 20:57.18 | ompaul | alxgomz_: doing a d-u when that is in progress may mean you do it once or twice before the fix falls in |
| 20:57.20 | mr_c15 | the temerature is67 C deg |
| 20:57.54 | mr_c15 | the cpu frequency is set to 800MHz |
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| 20:58.25 | mr_c15 | and the goveror is set to powersave |
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| 21:00.52 | ompaul | mr_c15: you have the firmware-linux-nonfree blobby installed? |
| 21:01.04 | ompaul | mr_c15: I'm not saying it will sort it, but it might help |
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| 21:01.17 | ompaul | mr_c15: lots of kernely things in there |
| 21:01.23 | mr_c15 | yes I have installed firmware-linux-nonfre |
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| 21:02.03 | mr_c15 | I also have cpufrequtils |
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| 21:03.13 | ompaul | mr_c15: and what do the sensors say about your fan |
| 21:03.47 | mr_c15 | in sensors I can only see cpu temperature |
| 21:04.14 | ompaul | mr_c15: also running at 800 I wonder if the sensors are accurately determining the temp, cos 67 at 800mhz seems wrong |
| 21:04.16 | mr_c15 | ompaul: should I install something else? |
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| 21:04.53 | ompaul | mr_c15: I would do this test, reboot machine go into the bios or whatever is there and look at the temp there - that will tell you how hot it is more or less now |
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| 21:05.10 | hatseflats | evening everyone |
| 21:05.10 | ompaul | if it still says 67 I would be worried about fans working |
| 21:05.47 | hatseflats | quick question, does removing the mysql packages remove all existing databases from a relatively default configured system? |
| 21:06.00 | mr_c15 | ompaul: no there is nothing about temperature in BIOS |
| 21:06.18 | ompaul | mr_c15: is that box from the 1990? |
| 21:06.30 | mr_c15 | fan is working |
| 21:06.49 | mr_c15 | no the laptop is toshiba satelite pro a200-1nb |
| 21:07.10 | ompaul | mr_c15: how old is that? |
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| 21:07.28 | mr_c15 | I can sense by touching the laptop that the teperature is higher than normal |
| 21:07.54 | jhutchins | mr_c15: Either your fan is working OR your CPU is too hot - can't have both. |
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| 21:08.55 | mr_c15 | the laptop is about 5 years old, this model: http://ce.computers.toshiba-europe.com/cgi-bin/ToshibaCSG/jsp/productPage.do?LNG=20&service=CE&PRODUCT_ID=135312&toshibaShop=false |
| 21:08.59 | ompaul | or you are have blocked the vents underneath |
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| 21:09.43 | jhutchins | ...in which case the fan is RUNNING but not WORKING to cool the CPU properly. |
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| 21:10.09 | jhutchins | mr_c15: It probably wouldn't hurt to pull what covers you can and clear out any dust you can see. |
| 21:10.20 | mr_c15 | the air flow is good, when I turn on windows 7 and do nothing the temperature will drop bellow 60 C deg |
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| 21:11.09 | ompaul | and the fan just fell off the cpu ... |
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| 21:12.21 | mr_c15 | yes in windows 7 there is no problem |
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| 21:12.51 | jhutchins | mr_c15: Saying it's fine in windows is irrelevant unless you're running nothing but windows. |
| 21:12.55 | mr_c15 | I have tested ubuntu, kali linux and arch linux and everywere is the same problem |
| 21:13.03 | jhutchins | mr_c15: If that's the only solution you're interested in... |
| 21:13.09 | szaus18 | anyone knows where does virsh/libvirt invoke kvm, need modify its args |
| 21:13.19 | szaus18 | could not grep that |
| 21:13.48 | mr_c15 | yes I turn on the computer and leave it and after a while the temperature will drop |
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| 21:14.04 | mr_c15 | bellow 60 C deg |
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| 21:15.20 | mr_c15 | jhutchins: now for example I write from my PC and the laptop is running at 65 C deg |
| 21:15.37 | ompaul | sitting on your lap? |
| 21:15.44 | mr_c15 | and the only thing is taking place is blinking cursor |
| 21:16.16 | mr_c15 | I have the laptop near by |
| 21:17.00 | mr_c15 | now the temperature is 65 deg |
| 21:17.00 | ompaul | notes how helpful the answer is, it is most likely an environmental issue if it is running below 60 and then 65 for a different o/s |
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| 21:17.27 | ompaul | if it was running at 35 and 65 then we'd have reason to thing hmm |
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| 21:18.21 | jhutchins | mr_c15: So it runs hot under linux. Ok. It runs hot. |
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| 21:18.54 | mr_c15 | ompaul: how can it ba an environmental issue if in the same place in the almost same time the difference is so big |
| 21:19.30 | jhutchins | mr_c15: Did you have a Debian support question? |
| 21:19.31 | ompaul | mr_c15: you haven't told us how low windows goes |
| 21:19.57 | ompaul | mr_c15: so we don't have a comparison |
| 21:20.06 | mr_c15 | in windows 7 when I browse internete and do normal things the temperature is 70 - 75 but in linux I do notning the pu frequency is 800MHz and the temperature is 65 deg |
| 21:20.42 | ompaul | mr_c15: I have nothing further to offer, you seem to be defeating your own point. |
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| 21:21.54 | mr_c15 | <jhutchins> no I did not |
| 21:22.03 | ScottE | mr_c15: I'd guess that's not the sensor you think it is |
| 21:22.05 | mr_c15 | thanks ompaul |
| 21:22.07 | tdn | I am printing a document from a KDE client to my CUPS print server. The access_log on the cups server says: 10.0.0.15 - - [04/Dec/2013:20:39:32 +0100] "POST /printers/HP_LaserJet_1010 HTTP/1.1" 200 1281 Send-Document successful-ok, but the client keeps saying "sending data to printer", and nothing comes out of the printer. When I print to the same cups server from Win or apple clients, it does print. How do I debug this? Nothing in error logs. |
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| 21:24.54 | mr_c15 | now I have switched to the windows and I see that the temperature is lowering |
| 21:25.00 | internet | Hi, anyone know a method to how to configure the resolution of tty terminal for equal to x server? I like with my tty run with 1024x768x85hz. |
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| 21:26.26 | eblip | ive switched permanelntly to debian and a few other flavors of linux......ive been playing with it on and off for a couple of months.....but thing is now that im using it exclusively rather than windows ..i think its the best way to learn...to just battle on and on....and stop running to windows |
| 21:27.08 | eblip | i think i have learned more about debian and linux in past week now im permanenetly switched than i did in 3 months previous |
| 21:27.38 | phy1729 | Can I have a user that I can scp with that user but the shell be /bin/false ? |
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| 21:28.28 | eblip | is /bin/false a shell |
| 21:28.51 | phy1729 | it's a this user can't login shell |
| 21:28.51 | jhutchins | phy1729: There's a pseudo-shell called scponly that tries to address that. |
| 21:29.29 | eblip | ah thanks |
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| 21:30.30 | phy1729 | neat |
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| 21:31.27 | phy1729 | it's not in the repos? |
| 21:31.31 | jhutchins | eblip: *nix programs almost always return a numerical value that can tell you "success" or "failure" or sometimes a great deal more. |
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| 21:31.41 | eblip | std err |
| 21:32.12 | jhutchins | eblip: /bin/true and /bin/false always return "true" or "false" respectively, allowing you to test and rig things. |
| 21:32.43 | jhutchins | phy1729: May have been dropped, it's available as source. |
| 21:32.56 | ompaul | returning 0 for OK and then a number for not false and depending on the program you could have a number of codes which indicate that the program broke on some argument option or other $thing |
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| 21:34.24 | jhutchins | ,versions scponly |
| 21:34.25 | judd | Package: scponly on i386 -- squeeze: 4.8-4.1 |
| 21:34.51 | ompaul | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=scponly |
| 21:34.56 | ompaul | more interesting |
| 21:35.07 | ompaul | (in this case) |
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| 21:37.07 | phy1729 | weird indeed |
| 21:37.18 | jhutchins | phy1729: Ah, scponly is deprecates since implementation of a similar function in ssh in 2008: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080220110039 |
| 21:37.30 | phy1729 | might use rssh |
| 21:39.16 | phy1729 | oh that seems a lot easier |
| 21:39.45 | internet | Hi, anyone know a method to how to configure the resolution of tty terminal for equal to x server? I like with my tty run with 1024x768x85hz. |
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| 21:40.29 | jhutchins | phy1729: It's funny, different day, different google results. I didn't find that last time I looked. |
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| 21:40.59 | jhutchins | s/deprecates/deprecated |
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| 22:15.54 | internet | Hi, I find the solution. A program called StartUp-Manager. |
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| 22:33.09 | themill | xreal: there is a judd-for-the-commandline which you will find in judd's git |
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| 22:33.44 | sioux_ | hi i'm trying install sun java and after install openfire.. |
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| 22:34.03 | sioux_ | i install sun java with this documentation https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
| 22:34.23 | sioux_ | but when i run dpkg -i openfire.deb |
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| 22:34.33 | xreal | themill: really? thanks |
| 22:34.42 | sioux_ | show this error dpkg: acerca de openfire_3.8.2_all.deb contendo openfire, problema de pre-depend├кncia: openfire pr├й-depende de sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre | default-jre-headless | openjdk-6-jre |
| 22:34.54 | timss | Does a default installation of Debian with a DE (for example KDE) come with cpu scaling? For some reason I discovered that I've been running at a pretty underscaled CPU for a long time without explicitely scaling it myself. Might've been a package I installed, but now I've installed cpufrequtils so can't tell how it was before it. |
| 22:36.12 | sioux_ | so i run this http://pastebin.com/L31iCeDk |
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| 22:36.53 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Has anyone gotten phppgadmin to install when using apache2-mpm-worker and php5-fpm? |
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| 22:37.26 | Pegasus_RPG | I mean, gotten it to work? I can install it along with php5-cgi but only get "FastCGI: server "/fcgi-bin-php5-fpm" stderr: Primary script unknown" in the error log when I try to visit the page |
| 22:38.15 | Pegasus_RPG | That error results from my php5-fpm.conf file which contains the line "FastCgiExternalServer /fcgi-bin-php5-fpm -socket /var/run/php5-fpm.sock -pass-header Authorization" |
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| 22:39.30 | timss | Pegasus_RPG: I think you'll have better luck in ##php |
| 22:39.48 | Pegasus_RPG | oh ok I'll try there too then, thanks. |
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| 22:41.06 | timss | Note that it requries you to be an identified/registered freenode user |
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| 22:41.09 | sioux__ | some one know why ? |
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| 22:48.17 | Pegasus_RPG | is reading http://whocares.de/fastcgiexternalserver-demystified/ |
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| 22:53.51 | ctmjr | timss: if it is a amd cpu some of them scale down to the lowest possible freq around 800 mhz you can see the minimum freq with cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq if it is intel i have no idea |
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| 22:57.11 | Pegasus_RPG | WTF... I ended up having to just create a directory tree: mkdir -p /fcgi-bin-php5-fpm/cgi-bin and then it works |
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| 22:57.42 | tyil | hi |
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| 23:01.39 | tyil | could anybody help me out with a little issue I'm having? |
| 23:02.00 | kexibq | !ask |
| 23:02.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:02.12 | kexibq | tyil: what's the problem? |
| 23:02.33 | tyil | one of my VMs had a slight network interruption while updating, and now im getting a BADSIG error |
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| 23:02.45 | tyil | Ive tried deleting it and re-adding the key, but it still gives a BADSIG |
| 23:02.54 | tyil | W: GPG error: http://ftp.nl.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 23:03.44 | kexibq | tyil: what was the apt-key command you issued? |
| 23:04.15 | tyil | apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 8B48AD6246925553 |
| 23:04.54 | timss | ctmjr: Intel CPU. It seemed to have scaled down to the lower available frequency at most times, but I installed cpufrequtils before I investiged too much. I don't know of any other packages that could maybe control the scaling, or if it was always on the low freq (1.2 GHz), which is why I'm wondering if it's default or something. |
| 23:08.22 | sioux__ | how can i create some service? i have this service, /op/openfire/bin/openfire start. so i do ln -s /opt/openfire/bin/openfire /etc/init.d/openfire |
| 23:08.31 | sioux__ | how i start automatically ?\ |
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| 23:10.45 | dondelelcaro | sioux__: you can just update-rc.d openfire defaults; |
| 23:10.55 | sioux__ | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:10.59 | sioux__ | i will try |
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| 23:11.28 | timss | sioux__: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 23:14.18 | sioux__ | timss: why show this message? insserv: warning: script 'openfire' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 23:16.27 | timss | sioux__: That's a pretty common error which you should be able to find the answer to yourself, but I don't think it's necessary to fix to get your script to work. You can find some information about lsbinitscripts and insserv here: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 23:17.34 | tyil | kexibq: have any ideas that could help? |
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| 23:18.00 | kexibq | sorry tyil, busy for a few min. |
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| 23:25.24 | tyil | kexibq: I got it working now, thanks for trying anyhow~ |
| 23:28.07 | kexibq | tyil: great :-) mind sharing how in case anyone else faces the issue? |
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| 23:41.28 | tyil | kexibq: a few commands in a row: |
| 23:41.31 | tyil | apt-get clean |
| 23:41.42 | tyil | cd /var/lib/apt |
| 23:41.48 | tyil | mv lists lists.old |
| 23:41.55 | tyil | mkdir -p lists/partial |
| 23:42.18 | tyil | apt-get update |
| 23:42.26 | tyil | kexibq: that did the trick |
| 23:42.41 | Viscount | am i only getting half a conversation here? lol |
| 23:42.53 | tyil | Viscount: I was just slow responding :( |
| 23:42.58 | Viscount | ah k :) |
| 23:43.14 | tyil | he asked it 14 minutes ago, but I was reading up on some things |
| 23:43.27 | Viscount | wish i had that length of attention span |
| 23:43.53 | tyil | if it's something interesting I believe even you can have a great attention span |
| 23:44.06 | tyil | the difficult part is finding something that actually interests you enough |
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