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| 00:45.27 | tryy3 | is there a command to search in a folder after a specefic file? |
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| 00:46.05 | jagginess | tryy3, what's a specefic file? |
| 00:46.11 | jagginess | oO |
| 00:46.20 | tryy3 | jagginess worldguard |
| 00:46.27 | tryy3 | worldguard.jar * |
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| 00:46.44 | ratcheer | tryy3: The "find" command |
| 00:46.47 | jagginess | tryy3, specefic sounds specist |
| 00:47.02 | tryy3 | ratcheer thanks |
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| 00:47.18 | tryy3 | oh noes... is dpkg down again |
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| 01:37.20 | jmg | hello all |
| 01:37.32 | jmg | how come we're still on apache 2.2? |
| 01:38.30 | jmg | :) |
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| 01:40.18 | gnarface | !stable |
| 01:40.18 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 01:40.49 | gnarface | jmg: ^^^ |
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| 01:41.46 | jmg | k |
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| 01:41.49 | dvs | ,v apache |
| 01:41.50 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in i386. |
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| 01:47.49 | gnarface | dvs: its apache2 |
| 01:47.59 | gnarface | dvs: (the package name) |
| 01:48.10 | dvs | ah |
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| 01:51.21 | tryy3 | hmm... is sysvconfig removed? |
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| 01:53.08 | gnarface | no idea |
| 01:54.31 | tryy3 | dpkg said "Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #537626." and iam reading a guide about it, and was wondering if its safe to install it ^_^ |
| 01:54.31 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, tryy3 |
| 01:54.41 | tryy3 | dpkg shush |
| 01:54.41 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 01:54.45 | tryy3 | ^_^ |
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| 02:19.01 | maher | i've b0rked my mac mini - is there some special mactel irc channel I can ask for help in? |
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| 02:44.50 | PRabyte | im confused, i went to ubuntu.com/download/server and it says, 12.04, i thought that is for desktop. isnt server version 6.0 now? |
| 02:44.54 | PRabyte | very confusing |
| 02:45.05 | PRabyte | sounds like solaris nomenclature lol |
| 02:45.31 | LittleFoot | what |
| 02:46.20 | PRabyte | id answer that, but i dont know who you are talking to, and i dont know if that was a question |
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| 02:51.39 | peterrooney | PRabyte: ask on #ubuntu, they might have a chance of knowing |
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| 02:53.09 | PRabyte | oh your right, thanks |
| 02:53.15 | PRabyte | duh...sorry i wasnt thinking lol |
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| 03:11.09 | KsM | I just did a reinstall of my OSes, I should be able to chroot into debian from within ubuntu and do an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade, right? |
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| 03:12.42 | jordanm | KsM: yes |
| 03:13.33 | KsM | nothing special I'll have to do? |
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| 03:16.00 | simonlnu | no |
| 03:16.20 | simonlnu | mount /dev /sys /proc as normal |
| 03:16.23 | jordanm | KsM: not any more special than some other chroot. a) mount filesystem b) mount proc c) mount dev d) mount sys e) chroot |
| 03:16.36 | simonlnu | (with --bind, of course) |
| 03:16.40 | jordanm | and perhaps edit resolv.conf inside the filesystem |
| 03:16.46 | jordanm | you don't have to bind proc |
| 03:16.49 | jordanm | mount -t proc |
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| 03:16.59 | simonlnu | doh, yeh |
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| 03:17.48 | simonlnu | /sys neither ;) |
| 03:19.04 | Sapote | hi people! I find way to make a burst in TC (Traffic Control) for 5 seconds, when burst occurs get 4x limit, before get 1x limit. Anybody know how can make this? |
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| 03:33.41 | tryy3 | what is the command to make a archive file? like tar.gz or similiar? |
| 03:35.49 | blackshirt | tryy3, gzip combined with tar |
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| 03:37.47 | satwood | when are the ssh host keys generated when installing new machine ? is it during installation itself ? |
| 03:38.04 | zodiak | hey guys and girls, sorry to ask but, is there a debian repo anywhere that has firefox and thunderbird ? not iceweasel and icedove (don't ask) |
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| 03:41.57 | somiaj | zodiak: I suggest just grab the tar's from mozilla.org and just run them from your $HOME directory. |
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| 03:42.36 | tryy3 | blackshirt ?? |
| 03:42.39 | somiaj | satwood: they are created when you install the ssh server. and they look to be in /etc/ssh |
| 03:42.55 | somiaj | tryy3: tar archives all the files into a single file |
| 03:43.19 | somiaj | tryy3: gzip zips the archive to save space. hence .tar.gz (you can also use other zip's like bz2, so you have .tar.bz2 |
| 03:43.41 | somiaj | tryy3: and you can do it all with tar. man tar |
| 03:43.57 | zodiak | somiaj, alrighty.. time to muck about on my fathers computer then.. ta |
| 03:43.57 | tryy3 | somiaj oh, what is the best format for backups? if i wanna keep it as much compressed as possible but still it goes pretty fast? |
| 03:44.15 | KsM | is there a way for debian to not download all the translation diffs with apt-get |
| 03:45.11 | wilee-nilee | zodiak, Those are actually versions of thunderbird and FF, it is a legal issue |
| 03:45.39 | zodiak | wilee-nilee, yeah.. urm.. have you tried explaining that ~ever~ to a 60+ year old ? |
| 03:45.47 | zodiak | one who isn't very computer savvy to begin with ? ;) |
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| 03:46.28 | zodiak | man.. good luck explaining that they are the same but different names. I tried the 2% milk and partially-skimmed milk explanation (sorta) |
| 03:46.33 | somiaj | zodiak: you can copy the mozilla installs to /usr/local if you want a place to put them so other users can use it |
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| 03:46.57 | zodiak | somiaj, nope.. jst my father :) I guess link to desktop should be good enough |
| 03:47.08 | somiaj | zodiak: I would just install a copy into his home dir |
| 03:47.22 | zodiak | yup :) |
| 03:47.29 | somiaj | zodiak: and then when there are updates, when it asks if he says yes he will then be able to upgrade it |
| 03:47.38 | zodiak | awesome. danke |
| 03:47.40 | somiaj | tryy3: depends on the files you are using. |
| 03:47.47 | wilee-nilee | zodiak, Hehe I'm 48 and in a grad program, I think it is understandable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 03:48.05 | tryy3 | somiaj its for world save backup script for a minecraft server :D |
| 03:48.25 | zodiak | wilee-nilee, kudos on the school :) I am 37 and going back for Computational biology :) |
| 03:48.33 | zodiak | but my father.. yeessshhh |
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| 04:12.27 | KsM | Is there any way to stop apt from downloading all the translation stuff |
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| 04:22.49 | joseph-soares | hi. how do I enable sound preview in nautilus on Debian Wheezy, please? |
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| 04:24.23 | gnugr | KsM: http://scarygliders.net/2012/04/01/quicktips-stop-apt-downloading-translations-indexes/ |
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| 04:31.25 | KsM | gnugr: I could put the aquire languages thing in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ as something like 10languages right? |
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| 05:02.10 | tryy3 | how can i check a directories size? |
| 05:02.46 | somiaj | tryy3: du /path/to/dir -- man du for options, I like -h |
| 05:02.53 | epsilon | du -sh ./ |
| 05:03.20 | Dewi | as a long-time debian/linux user wanting zfs, am I better off going for zfs-fuse, switching to debian/kFreeBSD, or the zfs-on-linux port? |
| 05:03.34 | tryy3 | somiaj thanks |
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| 05:16.35 | Dewi | any kfreebsd users here? |
| 05:17.26 | sauvin | Tried it in a VM. Wasn't impressed. |
| 05:17.40 | Dewi | why? |
| 05:17.48 | Dewi | (I've never used it) |
| 05:18.14 | sauvin | It crashed on me a lot. |
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| 05:18.34 | Dewi | I wonder how popular it is... from what I can tell, not very |
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| 05:21.03 | sauvin | I don't suspect it is, no. |
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| 05:54.35 | anomaly | I am setting up rsync, so users can do backups. this requires ssh for security as I understand it. I do not want the users to be able to read their fellows' contents. I am not familiar with chroot'ng ssh shell access, or could I use rsync over sftp? |
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| 05:55.58 | rwp | anomaly, You are trying to set things up so that users can push their own backups? |
| 05:56.14 | rwp | anomaly, Have you looked at other existing solutions such as BackupPC or others? |
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| 05:57.05 | rwp | anomaly, In any case, if you want each user to only be able to see their own files then make sure that umask is set appropriately so that users cannot see each others files. Then the file system permissions will keep everyone apart. |
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| 05:58.07 | anomaly | rwp I am familiar with rsync and it being free. as for the umask, would you mind giving me a bit more so I can google appropriately? |
| 05:58.41 | rwp | anomaly, Look for "User Private Groups". |
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| 05:58.44 | Dewi | anomaly: ssh client should be pretty safe. ssh server already has a chroot-like system for security |
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| 05:59.47 | Dewi | anomaly: if they are pushing backups, they only need the ssh client |
| 06:00.30 | anomaly | Dewi yes, but when I ssh'd in as a new user, I could read directories of all other users and cat the files. hence, how the question first came up to my mind. :) |
| 06:01.23 | rwp | anomaly, I really like BackupPC for handling backups. It is a mature featureful system. One of many. Has both a command line and a web interface. |
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| 06:02.07 | rwp | anomaly, You can read the directories of other users because the default from Unix days of old is that of a friendly environment where everyone can read everyone elses stuff. Unless you specifically block something. |
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| 06:02.54 | rwp | For example a $HOME directory might look like: drwxr-xr-x 5 rwp rwp 4096 Oct 10 23:21 . which says that anyone can read it. |
| 06:03.06 | Dewi | there's an option during debian install about that |
| 06:03.13 | Dewi | but I don't know how to change the default after that |
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| 06:03.23 | rwp | But if I wanted to prevent that then I would set it to drwxr-x--- 5 rwp rwp 4096 Oct 10 23:21 . to block other users. |
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| 06:04.08 | rwp | I don't recall any option during installation. But in any case every release has changed the way to configure the umask by default. The thrash in that area is annoying. |
| 06:04.09 | Dewi | but anyway anomaly, you can limit access to the owner users-and-groups only by doing: chmod -R o-rwX /home/somebody |
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| 06:04.52 | anomaly | rwp at the moment, the windows boxes have cygwin installed for rsync with a batch file so it can be done at scheduled intervals. is working fine. it is more my own peace of mind, than worry of them getting a copy of putty and going wild |
| 06:05.42 | anomaly | Dewi I will look into that, thank you. |
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| 06:06.22 | rwp | anomaly, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646692 |
| 06:06.37 | rwp | anomaly, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopHowTo and search down for "umask". |
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| 06:08.32 | Dewi | anomaly: there is also a UMASK option in /etc/login.defs |
| 06:08.51 | rwp | anomaly, Although regardless of that wiki doc I have had "session optional pam_umask.so umask=002" in my pam file. |
| 06:09.14 | Dewi | oh I see, the bug in that wiki page explains that value is not used by PAM |
| 06:09.22 | Dewi | so you have to edit a PAM one too |
| 06:10.10 | rwp | Dewi, Wow that takes me back. I think the login.defs hasn't been seen for umask setting since before Etch. |
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| 06:10.59 | rwp | Dewi, anomaly, Here is an *old* message about the old way, for archive reference only, things have moved on since then: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg01598.html |
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| 06:11.11 | anomaly | thank you both for your help |
| 06:11.14 | rwp | Dewi, anomaly, And also: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314539 |
| 06:11.53 | rwp | Due to those discussions the umask setting moved out of login.defs and into libpam. |
| 06:12.10 | rwp | Good luck! |
| 06:12.42 | Dewi | ah okay, thanks rwp. I was referring to 'man useradd' |
| 06:13.06 | Dewi | (which still claims to use it during user dir creation) |
| 06:13.34 | rwp | Ah! For initial creation of the $HOME directory! |
| 06:13.47 | rwp | Of course that can always be changed after it has been created. |
| 06:13.52 | Dewi | indeed |
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| 06:18.56 | rwp | Dewi, I see you mention useradd but on Debian I believe the adduser command is preferred. Just say'n. :-) |
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| 06:55.20 | mikarch | I'm looking for a package containing the command cdread. As far as I can see it just to be in debian, but now it's not? Is there someone in channel who knows how/where to get the packages/command? |
| 06:55.22 | rwp | dizzylizzy, What Debian Version? Stable Squeeze, Testing Wheezy, Unstable Sid? |
| 06:55.43 | mikarch | just --> used |
| 06:55.45 | rwp | dizzylizzy, Try 'apt-get -s upgrade' for a second opinion. What does it say? |
| 06:56.37 | rwp | mikarch, It does not seem to be in Debian now. It might have been removed. |
| 06:57.00 | rwp | mikarch, Use this page to search: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 06:58.15 | rwp | mikarch, Perhaps this? http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms-cdread.html |
| 06:58.19 | mikarch | Hmm, thought so. cdread just seems to better than the alternatives like dd or similar. I have tried http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages... |
| 06:58.58 | dizzylizzy | rwp, not removed there |
| 06:59.00 | dizzylizzy | interesting |
| 06:59.07 | rwp | Better than dd like ddrescue and gddrescue? |
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| 07:00.46 | rwp | Personally I like the gddrescue flavor best of those two. |
| 07:00.58 | mikarch | I read an old manpage about cdread and it seems that its easier to read scratched cd's with it. I hav tried dd earlier. |
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| 07:02.09 | mikarch | Is gddrescue any good with scracthed/damaged audiocd's? |
| 07:03.31 | mikarch | ...or does anyone know any good alternatives? |
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| 07:11.16 | jelly-home | ,i cdparanoia |
| 07:11.17 | judd | Package cdparanoia (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: audio extraction tool for sampling CDs. Version: 3.10.2+debian-9; Size: 40.3k; Installed: 88k; Homepage: http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ |
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| 07:12.29 | mah454 | Hello |
| 07:12.37 | mah454 | I have problem with xrandr command : |
| 07:12.57 | mah454 | Please view this post : http://paste.debian.net/199785/ |
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| 07:13.06 | mah454 | How can add newmode to VGA-0 |
| 07:13.17 | mah454 | or VDI-I-0 |
| 07:13.25 | mah454 | xrandr add to HDMI ! |
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| 07:15.13 | jelly-home | mah454: you also need to xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1368x768_60.00 |
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| 07:15.39 | jelly-home | it's not added to HDMI, really it's not added anywhere at this point, you just defined it |
| 07:16.01 | mah454 | jelly-home: this : |
| 07:16.04 | mah454 | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 07:16.04 | mah454 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.04 | mah454 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.04 | mah454 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.04 | mah454 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:16.19 | mah454 | sorry |
| 07:16.22 | mah454 | sorry ! |
| 07:16.35 | jelly-home | probably need newer drivers |
| 07:17.10 | tryy3 | is there a screen parameter to delete a screen? |
| 07:17.30 | mah454 | I installed this : NVIDIA-Linux-x86-304.51.run |
| 07:17.43 | mah454 | downloaded today |
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| 07:19.13 | jelly-home | tryy3: via command line? |
| 07:19.22 | tryy3 | jelly-home ye |
| 07:19.23 | jelly-home | tryy3: you'll probably have to use -X |
| 07:20.14 | jelly-home | er, do you mean a whole screen session, or just a window within? |
| 07:20.36 | tryy3 | jelly-home but thats exectues a command in the screen? i want to delete a screen session |
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| 07:22.01 | jelly-home | tryy3: so you need to find a command that does that |
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| 07:22.11 | tryy3 | jelly-home yes |
| 07:22.32 | tryy3 | nvm, i came up with a better idea :P |
| 07:23.05 | jelly-home | tryy3: read the manual, and see if there's a screen command that kills the whole session, I've never had a need to do it |
| 07:24.05 | jelly-home | mah454: using the nvidia installer directly is not recommended, as it messes up the state of the packaging system |
| 07:24.29 | tryy3 | jelly-home it was so i dont have an unnessesary screen running all time, but i just remember i can continue writing the script so it tells me when it made a backup too :P so i dont need to kill the screen :P |
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| 07:30.47 | elixey | i see debian comes with a bsd kernel |
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| 07:31.07 | elixey | what is the benefit to using that |
| 07:31.12 | elixey | is it like using the real bsd kernel? |
| 07:31.44 | mr0wl | for debian ssh, does the remote site use the authorized_keys file in ~/.shh/ or known_hosts? |
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| 07:33.57 | nkuttler | elixey: kfreebsd is a port, not the default, see also http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why |
| 07:33.58 | blubberdiblub | mr0wl, the remote site uses authorized_keys. the local site uses known_hosts to check if the remote site is already known and has the correct fingerprint |
| 07:34.15 | nkuttler | !tell elixey about kfreebsd |
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| 07:40.43 | jelly-home | mr0wl: known_hosts are used on the client side; authorized_keys are consulted on the server side |
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| 07:43.57 | tryy3 | for crontab if it says something like |
| 07:44.20 | tryy3 | '*/10 * * * *' what difrence would it be between the */10 and if i just would type 10? |
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| 07:45.06 | SPF | tryy3: */10 is ever 10 mintes and 10 is ever h:10 |
| 07:45.13 | SPF | s/ever/every |
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| 07:45.59 | tryy3 | SPF i mean if i would replace the first * with a 10 instead of typing */10 |
| 07:46.18 | elixey | is kfreebsd untouched by torvalds?? |
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| 07:46.45 | SPF | tryy3: I think then you get 10/10, which is 1, so every h:01 |
| 07:47.09 | tryy3 | SPF oh |
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| 07:47.25 | jelly-home | elixey: you're using a new account, coming in via tor, and asking loaded or silly questions in multiple channels. Can you try to behave like a human being instead of a troll? |
| 07:48.08 | elixey | jelly-home, can you be less of an a-hole to new users |
| 07:48.37 | boudiccas | elixey, thats uncalled for |
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| 07:48.43 | tryy3 | SPF then another question, iam guessing */10 would work like a counter? but would the counter reset when the command have executed fully? like if i got a backup command and the backup takes like 10 min todo, would the timer reset directly or would it wait that 10 min then reset the time? |
| 07:48.44 | tryy3 | timer* |
| 07:48.51 | elixey | calling me a troll is what's uncalled for boudiccas |
| 07:48.54 | jelly-home | when they ask things like <elixey> is kfreebsd untouched by torvalds?? or <elixey> is fedora trash?, the don't deserve anything better elixey |
| 07:49.21 | elixey | im sorry, i have trouble parsing that last part |
| 07:49.27 | jelly-home | it's absolutely called for, do you want more quotes from your previous escapades? |
| 07:49.28 | boudiccas | ,v gnutls |
| 07:49.29 | judd | No package named 'gnutls' was found in i386. |
| 07:49.33 | elixey | just ignore me if i make you feel uncomfortable |
| 07:49.42 | elixey | jelly-home, mind your own business please |
| 07:50.09 | jelly-home | elixey: this is a tech support channel, keep it that way. |
| 07:50.44 | elixey | so is linus torvalds part of the dev team for kfreebsd? |
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| 07:51.26 | SPF | tryy3: cron will execute the command every 10 minutes with */10, even if the previous command has not yet finished |
| 07:51.32 | gnarface | elixey: that's not a support question... |
| 07:51.32 | jelly-home | elixey: not relevant for the technical aspect of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, so noone cares to find out |
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| 07:52.33 | tryy3 | SPF oh... |
| 07:53.14 | SPF | tryy3: cron will look at the time, it does not wait 10 minutes or more based on system load |
| 07:53.32 | tryy3 | SPF aw ok |
| 07:55.10 | mikarch | elixey go to #debian-offtopic, might be more relevant to ask your questios there |
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| 07:55.51 | jelly-home | (it's also not relevant from the policy or licensing aspect either, since freebsd is careful about licensing the code that goes into their kernel) |
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| 08:03.13 | KamZou | Hi, after a V2V of a debian VM (LVM2 on my partition) i get the same error from the 1st post : http://communities.vmware.com/thread/325984#325984 I tryied commands to update grub (http://www.debian-fr.org/reinstaller-grub2-avec-chroot-et-lvm-t31438.html) what step do i miss please ? |
| 08:04.13 | tryy3 | hmm... for cron jobs, will it work to execute 2 command first a cd command then a ./ command? (its for a backup.sh file) |
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| 08:05.56 | jelly-home | KamZou: can you show the actual error from Debian? A screenshot or something. Can you boot a livecd and confirm your volume groups and logical volumes and your data is still in place? |
| 08:06.36 | KsM | ugh. |
| 08:06.49 | KsM | grub is getting on my nerves |
| 08:07.21 | elixey | are there other distros that allow the use of a bsd kernel? |
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| 08:10.10 | gnarface | elixey: there are BSD distros that do, yes |
| 08:10.19 | gnarface | elixey: debian so far is the only linux one |
| 08:10.27 | elixey | oh i see |
| 08:11.15 | KamZou | jelly-home yes give me a sec |
| 08:11.17 | KsM | I have /boot on another partition and grub apparently hates that |
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| 08:11.56 | gnarface | elixey: there is a channel for kbsd on oftc.net (#debian-kbsd) if you're interested in talking to people who actually use it that might be a good place to start (its a low traffic channel though so be patient, nobody may respond for... days) |
| 08:11.58 | KamZou | jelly-home : No pb whith DATA... All my data can me mounted (like before migration) inside the chroot |
| 08:12.08 | elixey | gnarface, thanks |
| 08:13.04 | KamZou | jelly-home i probably have a way to resolve (??) : when i'm trying to do the grub-install /dev/sda i got a : "grub-probe: cannot find a device for /." (/dev is mounted in my chroot) |
| 08:13.22 | gnarface | elixey: no problem |
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| 08:14.01 | jelly-home | KamZou: you also need /sys at least |
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| 08:15.11 | KamZou | jelly-home sys is also mounted already |
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| 08:16.00 | KamZou | dev proc sys |
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| 08:23.31 | jelly-home | KamZou: alright then, does your "df" or "mount" output look sane in the chroot? Is /etc/mtab a real file? |
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| 08:25.39 | jelly-home | KamZou: if it doesn't seem correct, you can try copying /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab temporarily and see if that helps |
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| 08:27.51 | KamZou | jelly-home : yes i think (i'm retrying from the chroot step) |
| 08:28.12 | KamZou | from the beginning of the commands from here : http://www.debian-fr.org/reinstaller-grub2-avec-chroot-et-lvm-t31438.html |
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| 08:29.46 | jelly-home | I can't read French, KamZou |
| 08:29.53 | KamZou | just the commands ;) |
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| 08:30.40 | KamZou | jelly-home : http://communities.vmware.com/thread/325984#325984 here in english |
| 08:31.17 | KamZou | i've the same symptoms than the guy from the 1st post (after a V2V conversion where in my case i haven't moved the partitions sizes...) |
| 08:31.33 | jelly-home | again, can you show the actual symptoms? |
| 08:31.36 | KamZou | in the 2nd post there are almost the same commands |
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| 08:33.46 | jelly-home | what looks the same to you might actually be different in some subtle way; I can't rely on "it's the same as this guy's error from CentOS 5" |
| 08:34.30 | jelly-home | could be your grub is fine but the initramfs is borked; could be grub's not fine; could be something else |
| 08:37.12 | KamZou | i'm doing snapshots for you |
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| 08:42.10 | KamZou | jelly-home : here's the final error : http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/158235updategruberror.png |
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| 08:42.37 | KamZou | sorry, here : http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/924581afterreboot.png |
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| 08:44.25 | KamZou | Menu.lst : http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/522278menulstinsidechroot.png fstab: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/325560fstabinsidechroot.png grub error : http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/158235updategruberror.png after rebooting : http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/924581afterreboot.png |
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| 08:46.03 | tryy3 | http://pastebay.net/1150224 please help me :S |
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| 08:49.45 | tryy3 | nvm got it to wrk |
| 08:49.47 | tryy3 | work* |
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| 08:53.10 | KamZou | jelly-home any idea ? |
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| 08:56.22 | KsM | so, dualbooting ubuntu/debian. /boot is on a different partition. grub does not like this. |
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| 08:57.10 | KsM | either it just doesn't work, or it lists everything as ubuntu, and dumps the kernel for debian with ubuntu's stuff, or vice versa (lists only debian) |
| 08:57.25 | KamZou | it worked before a v2v migration, i know there isn't so much to do to get it work again |
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| 09:00.09 | KsM | anyone? |
| 09:00.14 | menace | how can i evaluate my screen depth/resolution in the cli under debian squeeze? |
| 09:01.04 | KsM | xrandr maybe |
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| 09:02.10 | oskie | KsM: should work, only have to make all necessary settings for grub |
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| 09:02.58 | KsM | oskie: so far this is the closest I have come to get it "working" |
| 09:03.07 | menace | wups |
| 09:03.10 | KsM | anything else it just doesn't get to the menu selection at all |
| 09:03.12 | menace | gdm restarted... any idead? |
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| 09:04.58 | KsM | < KsM> xrandr maybe |
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| 09:05.56 | menace | xdpyinfo it was :) |
| 09:06.11 | KsM | ┐('～`；)┌ |
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| 09:07.56 | menace | thanks anyway :) |
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| 09:16.25 | wil_ | hey, what was that compiz plugin which allowed to use the function to put a window on the left side or right side etc of the screen? |
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| 09:18.38 | jelly-home | KamZou: uh... which debian release is this supposed to be? |
| 09:19.23 | KamZou | jelly-home : debian 5.0.5 |
| 09:19.54 | jelly-home | KamZou: is your /boot a separate partition? |
| 09:20.13 | KamZou | yes : sda1 (ext2) |
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| 09:21.29 | jelly-home | KamZou: I'd try rebuilding the initramfs image; use update-initramfs |
| 09:21.39 | jelly-home | !debug initramfs |
| 09:21.40 | dpkg | initramfsdebug is, like, http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 09:22.25 | KsM | Hm |
| 09:22.39 | KsM | Me and KamZou have similar problems? |
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| 09:23.16 | KsM | jelly-home: I also have grub hating on my separate /boot |
| 09:23.17 | jelly-home | KamZou: if it breaks again, try stopping the initramfs process and see whether lvm is set up correctly before the real root is mounted (look at /dev/mapper contents, if the LVs are not there try running vgchange -ay manually and look again to see if it helps) |
| 09:23.38 | jelly-home | KsM: I have not read your issues, sorry |
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| 09:24.33 | KsM | jelly-home: dualbooting debian and ubuntu, planning on maybe also installing fedora later on, so I had a different /boot and /home, but apparently grub doesn't like the separate boot and ends up dumping everything as one OS in the menu |
| 09:25.06 | KsM | i.e. (an old version of) ubuntu's kernel (2.6.x) shows up with a debian OS |
| 09:25.19 | jelly-home | KsM: Pick and use only one, say, the latest, OS to manage the boot loader. |
| 09:25.44 | KsM | I tried with debian and it just completely screwed grub and I had to do a recover |
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| 09:26.07 | jelly-home | KsM: also, avoid using the same /boot for every OS as that can confuse the os-prober script |
| 09:26.11 | KsM | or I think that's what happened, I don't rememeber any more, I've tried recovering it so many times and I think it only works under ubuntu |
| 09:26.27 | KsM | I thought that was the point of having a separate /boot ... |
| 09:26.56 | jelly-home | yes, but it doesn't mean os-prober can handle it well |
| 09:27.33 | KsM | flicks os-prober on the head |
| 09:27.49 | wil_ | hey, what was that compiz plugin which allowed to use the function to put a window on the left side or right side etc of the screen? |
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| 09:28.00 | specing | debian's os-prober can't even dualboot itself. |
| 09:28.22 | KsM | specing: it used to work fine with win7/ubuntu/debian for me |
| 09:28.33 | jelly-home | specing: swhy I suggest to pick the latest |
| 09:28.46 | KsM | I'm using debian testing by the way |
| 09:29.23 | jelly-home | has RHEL4, RHEL5 32bit, RHEL5, Debian 5, Debian 6 on one server |
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| 09:29.56 | KsM | I was thinking after all this time of getting it just to even work on boot, to just drop the separate /boot and just manage /boot under the normal / |
| 09:30.30 | jelly-home | KsM: either that, or use the separate /boot for just one OS |
| 09:30.49 | KsM | but I don't think that'd be as easy as dropping it from /etc/fstab and rerunning initramfs-update or whatever |
| 09:31.11 | KsM | how would I point the mbr or whichever thing to look for grub there |
| 09:31.29 | KsM | I had previously set /boot as a bootable partition |
| 09:31.44 | jelly-home | bootable partition flag is not used by grub |
| 09:31.52 | jelly-home | (when installed in mbr) |
| 09:31.59 | KamZou | jelly-home : How to "stop initramfs process" when it breaks ? |
| 09:32.08 | KsM | I thought it was used by the mbr |
| 09:32.12 | jelly-home | KamZou: read the debug initramfs link above |
| 09:32.27 | jelly-home | KsM: nah, only DOS MBR code uses that |
| 09:32.42 | KsM | ugh |
| 09:32.51 | KsM | jelly-home: so what exactly would I do, I am in debian now |
| 09:33.26 | KsM | and really I'm thinking of just installing kexec and hoping that and my laptop's battery will keep me from ever seeing grub on this again. |
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| 09:34.41 | jelly-home | KsM: testing? I guess that's fresh enough... move files from other OSes to /boot on their / filesystems; edit their fstabs not to use the separate /boot; umount; see what update-grub does |
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| 09:35.23 | jelly-home | (umount -- the other OS filesystems) |
| 09:35.29 | KsM | what do you mean move files from other OSes to /boot |
| 09:35.39 | KsM | copy /boot onto / of debian and / of ubuntu? |
| 09:35.48 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell KamZou about debug initramfs |
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| 09:36.00 | jelly-home | KsM: just ubuntu |
| 09:36.11 | KsM | ok |
| 09:36.19 | jelly-home | one OS may keep the current setup |
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| 09:36.48 | KsM | and how will the mbr know what to follow, I don't exactly understand completely how the boot process works |
| 09:36.49 | jelly-home | KsM: and wipe the ubuntu kernels from current /boot after they're copied to their new place |
| 09:37.21 | jelly-home | KsM: mbr won't change; boot loader won't change, just its configuration file will |
| 09:37.47 | KsM | oh, right, it's still following the separate /boot |
| 09:38.51 | KsM | okay, now what if I were to install, say, fedora and about every week or so I'm switching between them [debian/fedora] or something; I compile a new kernel every once in a while, so what then |
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| 09:39.34 | jelly-home | KsM: when you install a new distro do NOT let it install its own boot loader. Instead, boot the distro you use to manage the boot loader, and run update-grub |
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| 09:40.03 | KsM | ok |
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| 09:42.22 | Diaoul | hi guys |
| 09:42.54 | Diaoul | I have empty .deb files, not containing the package... could anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 09:43.31 | qdb | hello. i made ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.1 in linux but i cannot open zte modem from that address, i tried to do that after stopping ppp: poff dsl-provider |
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| 09:46.37 | jelly-home | Diaoul: where do you have them? |
| 09:46.42 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 09:46.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:48.58 | Diaoul | jelly-home, https://github.com/Diaoul/xbmc-rbp-packaging/blob/master/debian/rules#L79 there |
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| 09:49.35 | Diaoul | but I'm thinking that pbuilder doesn't errase previous builds correctly in /var/cache/pbuilder/result |
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| 09:50.32 | Diaoul | how can I re-run the pbuilder sequence from inside pbuilder's chroot starting with the install target? |
| 09:50.58 | qdb | zxdsl 831 |
| 09:52.04 | KsM | jelly-home: a question about debootstrap, not important but just something I'm thinking of doing: |
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| 09:52.51 | KsM | I've had an iBook for a while I wanted to install debian on, unfortunately after downloading the iso and about to burn it, the CD tray broke and usb booting is not enabled on the model |
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| 09:53.21 | KsM | it's been a while now and I thought maybe I could put the powerpc debootstrap on a usb and chroot to it? |
| 09:53.35 | KsM | *it's been a while now and I've lost the iso |
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| 09:57.18 | SabreWolfy | KsM: does it have a 3.5" drive? :) |
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| 09:58.05 | KsM | It has a firewire, dual usb and a cd drive |
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| 09:58.21 | SabreWolfy | and cd is broken and it doesn't boot off usb |
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| 09:58.26 | KsM | the internal hdd died and it was running off the firewire drive for a while |
| 09:58.46 | KsM | it's practically a zombie of a computer |
| 09:59.08 | zorrolero | qdb: maybe you should give your nic the 192.168.1.2?!? because the modem has the .1 (when in router-mode) ... http://koneksen.com/modem/zte-zxdsl-831/ |
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| 10:00.40 | qdb | zorrolero, thank you, it works |
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| 10:02.37 | tim_flatus | I just installed wheezy on a 12" powerbook g4 and I can't access any interface. gtk is hosed and ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing. So I'm currently looking at some coloured boxes. Any idea how I could get to a CLI so I can reconfigure xorg.conf? The only thing I can think of at his stage is to do a minimal reinstall without gnome, so at least I'll get a usable interface. I guess I'm more or less on my own with this? |
| 10:02.39 | KsM | SabreWolfy: heh, I was proud to get that old thing for the first time, it was pronounced dead under the HDD not working, but for some reason it started working again and I'd even made it all clen and shiny again after taking off some stickers and wiping it down |
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| 10:03.36 | KsM | tim_flatus: can't you go into grub and select it to boot under init 1 |
| 10:03.49 | daimrod | Hi, is there a way to automatically install -doc packages when they're available? e.g. $ apt-get install aspell → $ apt-get install aspell aspell-doc |
| 10:03.54 | SabreWolfy | KsM: :) Was it running Squeeze ? |
| 10:03.54 | KsM | I forget what the option is called under grub, "safe mode" or something to that effect |
| 10:04.03 | Diaoul | Where can I find what pbuilder actually does inside the chroot? I'd like to rerun the sequence starting at install target |
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| 10:04.42 | KsM | SabreWolfy: It ran OS X 10.3 for a while, then my dad forced me into making it run 10.4 which I didn't want because I knew it'd run slow, but he took it and installed it anyway |
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| 10:04.46 | tim_flatus | KsM: no powerpc uses yaboot. And I can't get into a CLI of any kind |
| 10:05.17 | KsM | and then I removed that and it died a couple months later, then revived like 3 years ago, then the cd tray broke soon after |
| 10:06.47 | KsM | anyway, the original question was would a chroot from OS X to a debootstrapped usb work? |
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| 10:18.46 | colonolGron | ich hab gerade eine debian minimal installation durchgeführt und X11 von hand installiert. wie kann ich X auf deutsch stellen? ich hab "XkbLayout" "de" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in die Keyboard sektion geschrieben, hatte aber keinen effekt |
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| 10:20.27 | tim_flatus | OK, managed to kill X. May be in business. |
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| 10:24.26 | anonym-remote | Hi. I have a problem where I connect over wireless, after visiting about 3-5 pages the connection is still up (according to networkmanager) but I cannot access anything on the network. Could anyone help me debug this? |
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| 10:26.51 | colonolGron | how i can i change the keyboard layout in x11? i wrote "xkblayout" "de" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf" under the keyboard section. but didnt seem to work |
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| 10:28.59 | nkuttler | !tell colonolGron about keymap |
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| 10:34.22 | jamesmd | Hello! |
| 10:34.32 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: Broadcomm ? |
| 10:34.40 | jamesmd | I am running debian 3.1 on a old box and I need the sources for it |
| 10:34.56 | jamesmd | all the ones there are invalid |
| 10:34.57 | nkuttler | !tell jamesmd about archive |
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| 10:35.29 | jamesmd | arcive? |
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| 10:35.54 | nkuttler | jamesmd: check the msg the bot sent you |
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| 10:36.18 | yayLINUX | hey, I have installed debian squeeze on an old acer aspire laptop but the cpu fan doesnt work always and if the cpu gets too hot, it simply shuts the laptop off |
| 10:36.24 | yayLINUX | it is a acer aspire 5315 |
| 10:36.30 | jamesmd | oh Ive seen that |
| 10:36.33 | nkuttler | !tell jamesmd about sarge sources.list |
| 10:36.42 | jamesmd | theres no archive for sarge |
| 10:36.48 | jamesmd | or its not on there |
| 10:36.53 | colonolGron | nkuttler: i by searching for this i got an article in the arch wiki which worked. thanks. one question: if i have a file in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d/ then idont have to configure the keyboard in /etc/x11/xorg.conf ? |
| 10:36.58 | bartus | hello, lately i cant put my pc on s2disk hibernate. Either s2disk nor pm-hibernate wont work. Both report the same issus: Could not use the resume device (try swapon -a). Reason: Inappropriate ioctl for device. What to do with it ? |
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| 10:37.50 | nkuttler | colonolGron: sounds right |
| 10:37.57 | bartus | here is full pm-suspend.log http://paste.debian.net/199837/ |
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| 10:38.17 | jamesmd | thanks :) |
| 10:38.41 | jamesmd | then can I do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:38.43 | KamZou | jelly-home i've another information for my problem. When i use a LiveCD (to chroot..) it mount my /dev/mapper/SYSTEM-root (xfs partition) in ext3 !! And i can't force to mount it in xfs 'Wrong fs type" |
| 10:38.46 | KamZou | any idea ? |
| 10:38.47 | jamesmd | will that get me etch? |
| 10:39.16 | nkuttler | jamesmd: um, what are you trying to do? |
| 10:39.23 | colonolGron | nkuttler: thanks |
| 10:39.27 | jamesmd | update sarge to etch |
| 10:39.33 | jamesmd | or above |
| 10:39.40 | nkuttler | jamesmd: you realize that etch is obsolete, has no security etc? |
| 10:39.42 | jamesmd | I cannot reinstall the os |
| 10:39.50 | jamesmd | well the latest version |
| 10:39.54 | nkuttler | jamesmd: and there are also cd images on the archive.. |
| 10:40.07 | jamesmd | no cd drive or usb support |
| 10:40.15 | jamesmd | its a piii 733mhz :/ |
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| 10:40.30 | WormFood | is anyone aware of a repository for debian stable, that contains (64-bit) 'goom'? (for either vlc, or xmms) |
| 10:41.06 | WormFood | jamesmd, update your bios, to support usb booting |
| 10:41.16 | jamesmd | latest bios :) |
| 10:41.23 | nkuttler | jamesmd: or use a different install method.. |
| 10:41.28 | jamesmd | like? |
| 10:41.32 | WormFood | I have a stack of old P3 machines, and they all support usb booting |
| 10:41.33 | nkuttler | !tell jamesmd about ig |
| 10:41.35 | WormFood | net install |
| 10:42.02 | jamesmd | with no cd drive? |
| 10:42.06 | WormFood | yes |
| 10:42.14 | WormFood | boot over the network (assuming you have a boot server) |
| 10:42.17 | jamesmd | or pxe boot |
| 10:42.28 | jamesmd | it doesnt support pxe |
| 10:42.29 | WormFood | yeah, yeah, I know, your machine does not support booting over the network, right? |
| 10:42.39 | jamesmd | nope :/ |
| 10:42.58 | WormFood | burn the pxe boot rom into a flashrom, and plug it into your NIC, and boot that way (option rom) |
| 10:43.07 | jamesmd | lol |
| 10:43.35 | jamesmd | what are the chances of it booting if I install it on that HDD in a diffrent px |
| 10:43.36 | jamesmd | pc |
| 10:43.38 | WormFood | you don't need any special hardware to program a flashrom |
| 10:43.43 | WormFood | very high |
| 10:43.51 | jamesmd | ok ill do that |
| 10:43.52 | jamesmd | :) |
| 10:44.12 | WormFood | I have a network install of debian (stable, i'm 99% sure), and so far, it has not failed to boot on anything I've tried. |
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| 10:44.30 | jamesmd | sounds good |
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| 10:45.03 | WormFood | and I use it for working on different computers. I have a nice network boot menu, with all of my utilities, and sometimes it is in my advantage to run debian (usually I use knoppix) |
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| 10:46.16 | WormFood | if you're a computer tech, like me, invest the time into making a good boot menu, with your utilities. I'm able to run Norton Ghost from an iso image, because I didn't want to take the time to make it boot over the network natively |
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| 10:46.32 | jamesmd | hirens ftw :p |
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| 10:46.51 | WormFood | all those boot CDs use isolinux, so it is pretty straight forward to rip their menus |
| 10:47.08 | jamesmd | yeah I made my own a while back |
| 10:47.09 | WormFood | i did that with gparted, and I have the whole menu, just like if you booted from the cd |
| 10:47.33 | jamesmd | recon I could use my raspberry pi as a networkboot server |
| 10:47.58 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, No, intel |
| 10:48.00 | WormFood | and actually, right now, I'm trying to make my usb bootable drive work again (I broke it)...but I stole chunks of my network boot menu for my usb boot menu...rather nice that you can reuse the components like that |
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| 10:48.12 | jamesmd | yeah it is |
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| 10:48.32 | WormFood | I'm not sure what all it can do. I'd expect it can work, as long as it can run dhcpd, tftp at a minumum |
| 10:48.39 | WormFood | minimum* |
| 10:48.45 | jamesmd | should be able to |
| 10:48.53 | jamesmd | 1Ghz arm 256mb ram |
| 10:48.56 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: are you far from the router? weak signal? |
| 10:49.17 | jamesmd | deban squeeze |
| 10:49.23 | jamesmd | debian* |
| 10:49.32 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, Nope, it is a very strong signal. |
| 10:49.36 | WormFood | you may also want to run an nfs server on it ,depending on exactly what you want to do...but to boot Linux to it, then you just need dhcpd, and tftpd |
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| 10:50.00 | WormFood | I mean, to boot the debian network install, you just needs dhcpd and tftpd |
| 10:50.17 | WormFood | you can google for some tutorials...should be able to get it up and running fairly quick |
| 10:50.18 | jamesmd | oh right |
| 10:50.29 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, It does not disconnect. Accordng to ifconfig the IP address is still left |
| 10:50.30 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: does the connection ever come back up, or does it stay down ? |
| 10:50.49 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: but there is just now traffic; what about pinging sites or other kinds of traffic other than http !? |
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| 10:51.32 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, well, if I look at my router and ask for what devices that are connected, that computer is not lsited |
| 10:51.35 | anonym-remote | listed* |
| 10:51.59 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: WPA2 encryption ? |
| 10:52.04 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, yes |
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| 10:53.30 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, could it be that I have acrivated some other wireless thing, instead of netwokmanager that conflicts and kills the connection in some way? Like wpa-supplicant or what ever those things are called. |
| 10:53.36 | anonym-remote | activated* |
| 10:54.04 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: wicd ? |
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| 10:57.13 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, no... don't think so. Do not have any wicd command installed... |
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| 10:58.32 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: does the connection drop every time or only sometimes ? |
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| 11:00.04 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, It is like 95% consistent. 95% of the times it takes ~20 seconds to die (~ time to load ~5 pages), the other 5%, rare ocations, it does not die. |
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| 11:02.25 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, it might have started a few weeks ago. I do not think it is a hardware problem, since it seems to work under a ubuntu-live usb. |
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| 11:02.39 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: is this with Wheezy or Squeeze ? |
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| 11:05.32 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, Wheezy is testing, right? It is testing I'm running. |
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| 11:05.55 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: yes; strange, because intel wireless is usually reliable |
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| 11:06.10 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: have you fully updated the machine to the latest ? |
| 11:06.16 | jamesmd | what are the sources for debian etch? |
| 11:06.51 | yayLINUX | hey, I have installed debian squeeze on an old acer aspire laptop but the cpu fan doesnt work always and if the cpu gets too hot, it simply shuts the laptop off |
| 11:06.53 | yayLINUX | it is a acer aspire 5315 |
| 11:07.18 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, last time it acted up we did an update. then one of the 5% incidents occured. Then it stopped working again. |
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| 11:10.11 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, Did another update. Same problem still there... |
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| 11:11.18 | SabreWolfy | yayLINUX: the fan doesn't work at all, or the fan doesn't work under Squeeze ? |
| 11:11.36 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: all I can think of is that it is a driver issue |
| 11:12.06 | yayLINUX | the fan works |
| 11:12.34 | yayLINUX | I had the same problem under xubuntu 12.04 too, but then the fan stopped after some minutes |
| 11:13.24 | themill | dpkg: tell jamesmd about etch sources.list |
| 11:13.36 | themill | jamesmd: but realise that etch has not been a supported release for quite a while |
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| 11:14.14 | jalalsfs | Where can I find debian test DVD live to try it? |
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| 11:15.33 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: http://www.debian.org/CD/ ? |
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| 11:16.15 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, how could I easily down/upgrade to some other driver, to see if it works better. Like the driver from squeeze or unstable? Got any link that explains something like that? |
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| 11:17.15 | nevyn | anonym-remote: backport kernel? |
| 11:17.36 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: I had problems with Broadcom wireless on my laptop and tried to install the wl drivers and now I have no wireless ... :( |
| 11:17.42 | SabreWolfy | yes, backport kernel is a good idea |
| 11:17.53 | nevyn | !bdo kernel |
| 11:17.54 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 11:18.15 | SabreWolfy | although anonym-remote is on testing/wheezy |
| 11:18.21 | jalalsfs | SabreWolfy, I mean live cd like this in fedora http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/17/Live/x86_64/Fedora-17-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso |
| 11:18.41 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: that is a link to an iso file |
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| 11:19.06 | anonym-remote | nevyn, what does that mean for testing then? |
| 11:19.08 | cool_code | jalalsfs, check --> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.5-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 11:19.16 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: there is a link to live CD images for Debian in the link I pasted previously |
| 11:19.19 | jalalsfs | SabreWolfy, Yeah, |
| 11:19.34 | nevyn | oh.. testing already should have a 3.2? |
| 11:19.44 | anonym-remote | nevyn, yeah, it is on 3.2 |
| 11:20.16 | SabreWolfy | anonym-remote: otherwise you should search for the exact model of your wireless to see if there are known issues, etc. like http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi or http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy |
| 11:20.34 | anonym-remote | SabreWolfy, will check it out |
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| 11:20.50 | nevyn | anonym-remote: what card? |
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| 11:21.19 | jpinx | Trying to get scriptassist tonload in irssi in squeeze, but getting error "Can't locate Crypt/OpenSSL/Bignum.pm in @INC......." What am I doing wrong? |
| 11:21.40 | jpinx | s/tonload/to load |
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| 11:22.37 | jalalsfs | SabreWolfy, I could not find it, I'm sorry. |
| 11:22.37 | jalalsfs | There are many things. |
| 11:22.46 | lucignolo | ciao |
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| 11:23.02 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: yeah, see the link posted by cool_code a few lines back |
| 11:23.24 | lucignolo | !list |
| 11:23.24 | dpkg | lucignolo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 11:23.41 | lucignolo | list |
| 11:23.56 | jalalsfs | SabreWolfy, It's good. but I want to try test version wheezy. |
| 11:24.11 | weeb1e | Good day everyone |
| 11:24.19 | anonym-remote | nevyn, Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 |
| 11:24.39 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: yeah that's why there are so many things because there are different iso sizes, stable/testing, 32/64, etc. you have to find the one you want |
| 11:24.53 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: I don't know if there are LIVE wheezy ISO's though .. .? |
| 11:25.00 | weeb1e | Is it possible to tweak file system caching so that certain directories are never marked as clean so never cleared from ram cache and always read from ram? |
| 11:25.08 | lucignolo | !list |
| 11:25.08 | dpkg | lucignolo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 11:25.43 | jalalsfs | SabreWolfy, Okay, thank you so much. |
| 11:25.58 | jalalsfs | cool_code, Thanks a lot. |
| 11:25.59 | themill | lucignolo: no warez here |
| 11:26.17 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: there are other distros that provide live wheezy/testing though |
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| 11:26.35 | SabreWolfy | jalalsfs: so search for those; don't know if I'm allowed to mention them here |
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| 11:27.01 | weeb1e | themill: Thanks for the help yesterday, the techie got debian installed on the system at 10pm finally, if only they didn't forget to disable hyperthreading, they'll need to do that on monday |
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| 11:27.36 | jalalsfs | SabreWolfy, Thanks I'll search. |
| 11:28.36 | cool_code | jalalsfs, check -->http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/current-next/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-wheezy-live-a2-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 11:37.08 | lucignolo | ciao |
| 11:37.15 | lucignolo | !list |
| 11:37.15 | dpkg | lucignolo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 11:40.18 | lucignolo | ciao |
| 11:40.23 | lucignolo | !list |
| 11:40.24 | dpkg | lucignolo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 11:44.32 | jamesmd | when updating to etch I get (Reading database ... 35931 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking x11-common (from .../x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-19_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-19_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin', which is also in package xtdesktop Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-19_i386.deb E: S |
| 11:44.37 | jamesmd | any ideas |
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| 11:51.01 | themill | weeb1e: excellent. Good work. |
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| 11:52.14 | themill | jamesmd: do you really mean upgrading *to* etch? |
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| 11:52.34 | jamesmd | from sarge yes |
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| 11:52.54 | jamesmd | then ill go to lenny |
| 11:53.04 | themill | jamesmd: you have to do sarge->etch, etch->lenny and lenny->squeeze. Do you think that it might be easier to just install squeeze? |
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| 11:53.22 | jamesmd | nope no odd or usb boot |
| 11:53.52 | themill | jamesmd: also, are you following the release notes for each of these upgrade steps? |
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| 11:54.05 | jamesmd | yes |
| 11:54.22 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 11:54.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 11:54.40 | jamesmd | LOL |
| 11:55.03 | themill | jamesmd: get rid of extra crap like xtdesktop and then try the upgrade |
| 11:55.10 | jamesmd | ok thanks |
| 11:55.18 | malorie | hi. I've upgraded/installed some opengl related packages and now the default background-image is being replaced by a uniformely green one. any ideas how to fix this? |
| 11:55.20 | jamesmd | ill just strip it back to a base install lol |
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| 11:55.45 | themill | jamesmd: yeah, you want to do this with the smallest possible package set. It will also be much faster and involve a lot less downloading and installing of packages |
| 11:56.00 | jamesmd | ill remove everything :D |
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| 11:58.41 | weeb1e | themill: Do you know anything about tweaking file system caching? I'm trying to find out if theres a better way to ensure a bunch of data is always read from ram than to manually sync it all between the hard drive and a tmpfs in ram |
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| 11:59.44 | themill | the kernel is already pretty good at doing this automatically. Can't say I've bothered doing more |
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| 12:02.57 | abrotman | ram drive! |
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| 12:08.42 | weeb1e | themill: By default, doing major IO stuff like updates and reinstallations will affect performance of the services, having them run purely from ram should remove that bottleneck |
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| 12:09.25 | weeb1e | abrotman: I was just hoping there was a more efficient way than manually syncing to a ram drive, since the kernel already has a caching layer |
| 12:10.45 | abrotman | weeb1e: right, and people smarter than you figured out those algorithms ? |
| 12:11.07 | weeb1e | abrotman: That was my thought |
| 12:11.09 | jamesmd | its working now! :D |
| 12:11.35 | weeb1e | But the kernels caching cannot be that great, if IO bottlenecks occur with default configuration |
| 12:12.17 | weeb1e | I specifically got 129GB ram on my new server, with the intention of running everything from a ram drive |
| 12:12.58 | jamesmd | will squeeze run on a p3? |
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| 12:13.33 | themill | weeb1e: do your services do lots of writing too? |
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| 12:14.34 | weeb1e | themill: Not too much usually, I'm looking to account for installations and updates, which need to happen without affecting services performance |
| 12:15.08 | weeb1e | I can see how much these things affect performance on my existing server |
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| 12:15.37 | weeb1e | The services are scheduled as realtime with highest priority and are latency sensitive |
| 12:15.40 | abrotman | jamesmd: yes |
| 12:15.46 | themill | package updates are only going to do a little writing -- if your programs aren't doing lots of writing then this shouldn't be an issue |
| 12:15.52 | jamesmd | awesome |
| 12:15.54 | abrotman | weeb1e: IO bottleneck doing what? |
| 12:16.11 | weeb1e | Installing and updating the services abrotman |
| 12:16.19 | weeb1e | Moving around GBs of data |
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| 12:16.44 | weeb1e | Not taking about system packages themill |
| 12:16.50 | themill | weeb1e: yeah... so you are doing huge amounts of writing. This is known to be a problem with dpkg |
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| 12:18.02 | weeb1e | But my logic is, if these latency sensitive services can run purely from ram, any amount of IO writing to the hard drives should not affect them, right? |
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| 12:18.20 | weeb1e | In which case the kernels default file system caching is not sufficient |
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| 12:21.52 | Trewas | weeb1e: linux kernel has not been traditionally great with heavy write pressure (but got a lot better with 3.2), note that caching does not help because eventually the data has to hit the disk and preferably quite soon so that a powerloss etc won't destroy humongous amounts of data |
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| 12:22.56 | abrotman | unless the data is completely read-only |
| 12:23.01 | weeb1e | Trewas: The thing is, if all reading is from the ram cache, any amount of writing should not affect the performance |
| 12:23.09 | weeb1e | The services themselves are not write heavy |
| 12:23.35 | weeb1e | But they need to be immune to being affected by maintenance services doing a lot of writing |
| 12:24.17 | weeb1e | I'm just trying to work out if it will be worth manually syncing to a ramfs |
| 12:24.20 | abrotman | write-heavy is not hte same as read-only |
| 12:24.32 | Trewas | weeb1e: one would think so, but for example copying data to a slow usb stick or so could absolutely grind everything to halt prior to 3.2 |
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| 12:24.54 | weeb1e | Well I know my existing server has an old kernel |
| 12:25.06 | jamesmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:25.12 | jamesmd | getting there! |
| 12:25.14 | weeb1e | But we had to use the latest for this new one, to support the new G8 hardware |
| 12:25.54 | abrotman | ugh, hp |
| 12:27.08 | weeb1e | My previous server is DELL, not a personal fan of HP, but since it is sponsored and very expensive, I'm not complaining |
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| 12:27.50 | weeb1e | It has 2 x E5-2650's in it |
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| 12:28.03 | weeb1e | If only they remembered to turn off hyperthreading |
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| 12:30.01 | HELLth | lo ppl, could somebody help me with ar9285 using ath9k with compat-wireless-3.6-rc7 and vanilla-kernel-3.6-rc4 on debian sid, still can't inject :( Some tips? |
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| 12:30.02 | Infiltrator | So, I managed to create a virtual interface, wlan1 on the real one, wlan0, in 4addr mode, and so finally add it to my bridge, br0, but not I can't get a DHCP lease; a tshark sniff shows the requests going out but nothing coming in. Any ideas? |
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| 12:37.54 | HELLth | Infiltrator, what about iptables / routes? |
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| 12:49.31 | ElDiabolo | Any hints on how to exclude a disk from smartd scanning ? |
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| 12:54.46 | Jolein | hi everyone my soundcards wont load in a preset order or i cant choose wich one it uses on boot can anyone help ? |
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| 13:00.41 | blubberdiblub | ElDiabolo, yes, you'll have to edit your /etc/smartd.conf for that. comment the DEVICESCAN line (put a # character in front of it) and specify all devices you want scanned explicitly, plus the options for each device |
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| 13:01.35 | alexturner | Hey guys, htop is telling me that i've got 70% free memory, and top is telling me 0% free memory (seems as if htop is subtracting Cache). Problem is snmp is sending the number from top, not the (more) correct number from htop; any clues how to exclude cache from total? |
| 13:01.59 | abrotman | alexturner: didn't you just ask #nagios? |
| 13:02.21 | alexturner | haha, yes i did |
| 13:02.44 | alexturner | though my net dropped out and i didn't see a response (if any) |
| 13:03.18 | abrotman | alexturner: and your OS is? |
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| 13:05.23 | alexturner | Debian 6.0 |
| 13:06.00 | abrotman | the number from top is correct |
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| 13:06.40 | abrotman | alexturner: have you gone through the SNMP data to see if there's one that will give you the buffers+cache? |
| 13:07.12 | alexturner | abrotman: there is, though the snmp monitoring software doesn't allow me to select |
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| 13:10.46 | tryy3 | */20 * * * * $HOME/Minecraft/backup.py will that wrok for a cronjob? |
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| 13:11.24 | AimHere | Probably, if your script points to the appropriate interpreter |
| 13:11.39 | tryy3 | was mostly thinking if $HOME works :P |
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| 13:12.03 | AimHere | You could test it |
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| 13:12.27 | AimHere | Maybe echo $HOME to a file to see what happens |
| 13:12.43 | e1z0 | echo $ALCOHOL |
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| 13:12.45 | e1z0 | lol |
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| 13:13.08 | abrotman | lololololol |
| 13:13.20 | tryy3 | i know $HOME works for bash codes, with out extra scriptings, but will it work for cronjob? |
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| 13:13.47 | abrotman | tryy3: try it and see |
| 13:14.13 | tryy3 | abrotman easier to ask :P but okej |
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| 13:16.02 | tryy3 | hmm... i did crontab -e then i edit and pressed ctrl + x to exit, and presssed Y too save, then what am i supposed to press? |
| 13:16.22 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 13:16.34 | tryy3 | to completely save |
| 13:16.52 | tryy3 | http://puu.sh/1enwA there |
| 13:16.59 | ElDiabolo | blubberdiblub, And no way to say, take all you find except /dev/sde ? Thx anyway. |
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| 13:18.26 | abrotman | tryy3: hit enter |
| 13:18.48 | tryy3 | abrotman thought so |
| 13:19.02 | abrotman | i know .. cause just trying things is hard |
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| 13:19.52 | tryy3 | abrotman but wwhere will it actually ave the file? cuz when i try to go where it said it was gonna save it, its not there |
| 13:20.01 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 13:20.22 | abrotman | crontab -e again .. is your cron task there? |
| 13:20.31 | tryy3 | oh... nvm then :P |
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| 13:36.17 | Rusty1 | is there a way to run dpkg-reconfigure -a from synaptic? |
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| 13:37.17 | linux-fox | hi,all , which irc client should i use in windows? |
| 13:38.10 | babilen | linux-fox: windows as in MS Windows or windows as in "a GUI" ? |
| 13:38.22 | Rusty1 | linux-fox: xchat2 |
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| 13:40.32 | linux-fox | windows xp |
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| 13:41.13 | abrotman | linux-fox: ask ##windows |
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| 13:41.25 | linux-fox | i am using xchat in xp , but it is limited for 30 days |
| 13:41.32 | Rusty1 | linux-fox: http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
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| 13:41.40 | weeb1e | why would you ask about windows in a debian channel? |
| 13:41.46 | weeb1e | linux-fox: Use Quassel-IRC |
| 13:41.53 | abrotman | stop answering him ? |
| 13:42.00 | Mechdave | troll? |
| 13:42.01 | weeb1e | It is open source, Qt based and crossplatform |
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| 13:42.15 | abrotman | linux-fox: ask ##windows, thank you |
| 13:42.18 | weeb1e | That works too :) |
| 13:42.33 | weeb1e | you can also try ask in ##anywherebutdebian |
| 13:42.36 | abrotman | i wouldn't have to if people had common sense |
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| 13:43.11 | weeb1e | indeed, the thought of someone using xchat just makes my cringe |
| 13:43.26 | abrotman | just stop? |
| 13:43.37 | Mechdave | what's wrong with xchat? |
| 13:44.03 | weeb1e | it is old, bloated and stuff, Quassel is far better, on any OS, especially linux |
| 13:44.34 | abrotman | Quassel is bloated |
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| 13:44.51 | abrotman | anything more than a text IRC client is more than required, thus bloated :) |
| 13:44.51 | mfblackmail69 | hi, i can't send mails from my server with static ip to my no-ip ddns mail server. i receive mails though from that mail server. gmail and ymail emails can be sent to both mail servers. any ideas what the problem might be? tia. both mail servers are fully functional except for that problem |
| 13:45.19 | abrotman | mfblackmail69: can you telnet to port 25 on the dyndns box? |
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| 13:46.00 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: yea |
| 13:46.05 | weeb1e | abrotman: How is Quassel bloated? It still lacks functionality such as scripting and DCC support.. but it is written in C++ with Qt and has a client/server architecture making it able to function as both a IRC client and BNC |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | see previous statement |
| 13:46.22 | abrotman | mfblackmail69: what is the error in the mail logs? |
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| 13:46.34 | weeb1e | It is pretty awesome as far as I'm concerned, I run the core on my server and connect to it with the client |
| 13:46.38 | abrotman | bloated! |
| 13:46.54 | weeb1e | Which part is the bloat? :P |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | apparently you didn't read what i typed above |
| 13:47.12 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: oh, the mail logs! lemme see |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | mfblackmail69: i know, they're useful and stuff :) |
| 13:47.33 | weeb1e | abrotman: So you'd rather use some horrible client and have to install a seperate BNC? |
| 13:47.41 | abrotman | i don't do that? |
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| 13:47.53 | abrotman | you're still ignoring what i said above .. seems to be something you like to do |
| 13:47.54 | Angtagapagligt | Hey there |
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| 13:48.00 | weeb1e | I guess maybe you have 100% stable internet where you live |
| 13:48.13 | abrotman | weeb1e: still ignoring what i said .. but keep making stuff up |
| 13:48.27 | weeb1e | drops it |
| 13:48.40 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: it says host not found. a dns problem? |
| 13:49.14 | abrotman | mfblackmail69: if you use nslookup or host or dig on the non-ddns box, what does it return for the IP of that ddns hostname? |
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| 13:50.10 | Angtagapagligt | I have a little problem. I installed Debian on a PowerPC with a half crashed display. This means I see something on the right side of the screen ;) The other side isn't working anymore. I added another screen on the display port of this iBook G4. How can I configure the second screen to be shown up? Shall I do this via xorg.conf in /etc/X11? |
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| 13:50.44 | abrotman | Angtagapagligt: xrandr would probably help you out |
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| 13:51.54 | Angtagapagligt | abrotman: Okay I'll google and try thanks for the moment |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | Angtagapagligt: does it not have a button like a wintel laptop to switch display outputs? |
| 13:52.29 | Angtagapagligt | abrotman: If I type "xrandr" the output is "can't open display" |
| 13:52.45 | abrotman | Angtagapagligt: as the logged in user |
| 13:52.57 | Angtagapagligt | abrotman: Let me have a look for the button |
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| 13:53.25 | abrotman | on my thinkpad, i can hit Fn+F7, and it will change outputs |
| 13:53.35 | Angtagapagligt | abrotman: No I'm afraid there is no such button :/ |
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| 13:53.44 | abrotman | yay Apple, thanks for everything |
| 13:53.55 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: wow, it can't find either command on that server. what's the package name of nslookup or dig? both can't be found by apt |
| 13:54.21 | Angtagapagligt | abrotman: Yeah -.- It's an old laptop from my mum which I'll use to test some stuff ... |
| 13:54.42 | abrotman | !tell mfblackmail69 about apt-file |
| 13:54.44 | Angtagapagligt | abrotman: Shall I gain root access for xrandr? Try this ... one moment |
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| 13:55.23 | abrotman | mfblackmail69: bind9-host and dnsutils |
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| 13:55.48 | mfblackmail69 | thanks |
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| 13:57.06 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: that returned a dns server |
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| 13:57.18 | abrotman | returned a what? |
| 13:57.25 | abrotman | what returned a what? |
| 13:58.03 | mfblackmail69 | i did an nslookup of the ip and digged the name |
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| 13:58.13 | mfblackmail69 | both seemed to work |
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| 13:59.57 | mfblackmail69 | what's the non-authoritative answer? |
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| 14:03.25 | abrotman | mfblackmail69: you can use paste.debian.net to show us what you're seeing |
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| 14:04.20 | mfblackmail69 | nslookup name gave me the ip, nslookup ip didn't give me the name |
| 14:06.02 | Alaunus | anybody here use Wheezy with a Lenovo X220? What have you done to improve your battery life? It seems I've taken a huge hit in the past couple of weeks (9hrs down to 5hrs) |
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| 14:07.12 | abrotman | Alaunus: lesswatts.org might be a good start |
| 14:07.19 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/MTgn3V3W |
| 14:07.21 | abrotman | Alaunus: or your battery might be dying? |
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| 14:07.59 | abrotman | $ host 188.102.168.80 |
| 14:08.00 | abrotman | 80.168.102.188.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer dslb-188-102-168-080.pools.arcor-ip.net. |
| 14:08.42 | Alaunus | abrotman: Windows says the battery condition is fine, but I forgot about lesswatts -- thanks! |
| 14:09.01 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: reverse lookup: http://pastebin.com/9rrFEf90 |
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| 14:09.16 | pythonirc1011 | is anyone running his webserver on debian here? |
| 14:09.39 | babilen | pythonirc1011: Quite likely, why? |
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| 14:10.21 | mfblackmail69 | paste.debian.net is down |
| 14:10.23 | pythonirc1011 | babilen: I was hoping to get some advice on what I should install configure for security if I plan to run nginx |
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| 14:12.18 | babilen | pythonirc1011: I can't really see many issues at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/nginx -- What are you worried about exactly? |
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| 14:14.01 | pythonirc1011 | babilen: I'm new and was more worried about people hacking and getting to the OS level |
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| 14:15.46 | babilen | pythonirc1011: Are you hosting dynamic content? I would rather worry about that than a widely used webserver, but #nginx might have additional hints. I would, to be honest, be pretty surprised if the standard configuration that ships in Debian would be inherently insecure. |
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| 14:16.04 | babilen | s/would be/is/ m( |
| 14:16.09 | pythonirc1011 | babilen: thanks |
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| 14:19.51 | mfblackmail69 | shouldn't dig -x address give the name? |
| 14:19.59 | mfblackmail69 | cause i get nothing |
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| 14:22.57 | abrotman | mfblackmail69: paste.debian.net works fine here |
| 14:23.04 | Chousuke | wow, I actually managed to boot my system all the way into gnome with a newer systemd :P |
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| 14:23.38 | Chousuke | rsyslog still has issues though it seems |
| 14:24.35 | mfblackmail69 | abrotman: it's up again |
| 14:24.51 | Chousuke | and I have no idea if it's actually a good idea to have both libudev0 and libudev1 installed at the same time :P but things seem to be working |
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| 14:28.50 | weeb1e | So MongoDBs debian apt server maxes out at 25KB/s, pretty pathetic |
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| 14:31.20 | abrotman | weeb1e: perhaps you should donate some money so they can afford more bandwidth? |
| 14:31.31 | weeb1e | hehe |
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| 14:41.19 | wil_ | hey |
| 14:41.38 | wil_ | I have a question: How can I install mintmenu in Debian? |
| 14:41.47 | wil_ | I am using squeeze |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | wil_: Debian doesn't have Mint packages |
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| 14:42.56 | sneex | thank you abrotman |
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| 14:43.22 | abrotman | ? |
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| 14:44.17 | sirtophat | is there a certain name for the text screens on ctrl-alt-F1/2/etc |
| 14:44.39 | sirtophat | can UTF-8 be enabled in those? |
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| 14:45.13 | ompaul | sirtophat: you mean consoles |
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| 14:46.50 | ompaul | sirtophat: I don't know any better ones than this, but it may suit you http://jaysonlorenzen.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/set-up-a-debian-linux-machine-to-handle-utf-8-in-a-shell-or-console-app/ |
| 14:47.40 | ompaul | sirtophat: better to use the right method in installs |
| 14:47.46 | sirtophat | ok |
| 14:48.19 | sirtophat | strange, executing locale charmap says UTF-8, but UTF-8 symbols still end up being diamonds |
| 14:48.41 | sirtophat | maybe it was just the program's fault |
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| 14:54.01 | sneex | sirtophat: did you install all UTF-8 sets? |
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| 14:54.22 | sirtophat | I don't think I've ever explicitly installed utf-8 sets |
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| 14:54.46 | engla | sirtophat: you need fonts too |
| 14:55.22 | sirtophat | default fonts aren't utf-8 ready? |
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| 14:56.17 | sneex | does your locale charmap say UTF-8 |
| 14:56.40 | sirtophat | yes |
| 14:56.54 | abrotman | sirtophat: not all fonts |
| 14:57.05 | sirtophat | I just noticed I forgot to configure screen for it though |
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| 14:58.31 | engla | sirtophat: you don't have 100% unicode coverage no |
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| 14:59.19 | engla | sirtophat: utf-8 encodes unicode which includes all the world's scripts basically which need lots of different fonts (Or one ugly font that covers them all, gnu something) |
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| 15:00.07 | engla | (gnu ttf-unifont) |
| 15:00.10 | sirtophat | I think it might be the fonts since the utf-8 works in SSH from this PC but not the consoles on the debian PC itself |
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| 15:03.11 | boudiccas | how do i turn off the service 'tor' permanently from the CLI please? |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | remove the package |
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| 15:04.30 | sneex | or install chkconfig and leave package but turn off service |
| 15:04.39 | abrotman | why install chkconfig? |
| 15:05.50 | sneex | shows all service states but I spend half my time on rhel it is easier for me using chkconfig service off |
| 15:06.21 | abrotman | so do i, but doesn't mean i install tools needlessly |
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| 15:12.19 | dbelange | does apt-get have, like, an undo feature |
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| 15:14.38 | babilen | dbelange: No |
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| 15:16.04 | dbelange | :( |
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| 15:18.05 | dbelange | apt-get install xinit it is, then |
| 15:19.26 | Tinybird | Hi |
| 15:20.03 | Tinybird | seemingly the debian channel is much more silent than Ubuntu |
| 15:20.16 | Armand | smacks Tinybird with a table |
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| 15:20.49 | babilen | doesn't consider a quiet channel to be a problem |
| 15:21.31 | dbelange | join us now and share the software |
| 15:21.52 | Tinybird | not at all. I love such a calm environment |
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| 15:33.20 | damacus | it's good that this channel is generally kept on topic moreso than some others. better signal to noise |
| 15:35.10 | Tinybird | yeah, this channel keeps the debian style |
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| 15:45.52 | Stranger^_- | Hi i can some one help us? we need some help to click on this green vote button ("Stem") on this link: http://www.norgesstyggestekjokken.no/bidrag/583 we are trying to win this new kitchen, just take a look and u see we need this kitchen |
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| 15:47.08 | ihsw | how do i install the libmp3lame encoder |
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| 15:48.09 | babilen | ,info lame --release squeeze-backports |
| 15:48.11 | judd | Package lame (sound, optional) in squeeze-backports/i386: MP3 encoding library (frontend). Version: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; Size: 165.6k; Installed: 264k; Homepage: http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:48.16 | babilen | ihsw: That ^^ ? |
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| 15:48.41 | babilen | ihsw: Or are you referring to libmp3lame0 ? What do you want to do/achieve exactly? |
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| 15:49.23 | ihsw | babilen: ffmpeg doesn't find libmp3lame or libmp3lame0 |
| 15:49.32 | babilen | ,v libmp3lame0 |
| 15:49.33 | judd | Package: libmp3lame0 on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo1 |
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| 15:50.25 | ihsw | indeed when i run sudo apt-get install libmp3lame0 it does say it's already installed, but ffmpeg is still telling me 'Unknown encoder libmp3lame' |
| 15:50.28 | babilen | ihsw: You can install it from squeeze-backports ^^^ Read "/msg dpkg backports", "/msg dpkg bdo" and http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ for information. Make sure you add "contrib non-free" after "main" though |
| 15:50.36 | babilen | !tell ihsw -about bat |
| 15:51.08 | babilen | ihsw: Could you show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libmp3lame0 ffmpeg" along with the error in question too? |
| 15:51.57 | ihsw | babilen: what exactly do you want? a straight dump of the output of `apt-policy libmp3lame0 ffmpeg`? |
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| 15:53.33 | babilen | ihsw: The exact output of the two commands (well one really) on http://paste.debian.net :) |
| 15:53.42 | Armand | Dual P3-800EB, 2.5GB RAM (I think), U160.. more than good enough for Debian, right? |
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| 15:54.08 | ihsw | babilen: is pastebin acceptable, or does it really need to be paste.debian.net |
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| 15:54.39 | Kyle__ | Netbeans in sid, should I use the package or the tarball from netbeans.org? |
| 15:54.45 | babilen | ihsw: I would prefer http://paste.debian.net or another slim pastebin site. |
| 15:54.53 | ihsw | babilen: http://pastebin.com/iDPawYv4 http://pastebin.com/CpWkeajy |
| 15:55.15 | Kyle__ | ihsw: If you just want to be different, http://paste.lisp.org/ |
| 15:55.17 | babilen | ihsw: But if you can only access pastebin.com I will begrudgingly take a look |
| 15:55.38 | babilen | ihsw: I also like https://www.refheap.com/paste .. but meh |
| 15:55.50 | ihsw | babilen: forgive me in the future i will use paste.debian.net |
| 15:56.00 | babilen | ihsw: No problem ... lets have a look. |
| 15:56.12 | Kyle__ | babilen: Hu. Looks nice, haven't seen that one before. |
| 15:56.17 | babilen | !crunchbang |
| 15:56.17 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 15:56.30 | ihsw | oh heavens, i certainly hope you aren't redirecting me to their channel |
| 15:56.38 | babilen | ihsw: You are using crunchbang which is unfortunately not supported by us :( |
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| 15:56.47 | babilen | ihsw: Well, in fact, I am. |
| 15:56.58 | ihsw | the channel is devoid of activity |
| 15:57.04 | Armand | SOL |
| 15:57.15 | Armand | Forum ? |
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| 15:57.48 | ihsw | sigh |
| 15:58.01 | babilen | ihsw: I have absolutely no idea if you can mix crunchbang with Debian backports, we do not support derivatives and well ... No idea really. Reproduce the error on Debian and come back please. It really isn't our fault that their channel is devoid of activity. |
| 15:58.08 | ihsw | can we just pretend i'm using vanilla debian |
| 15:58.10 | babilen | ihsw: Good luck though! |
| 15:58.13 | Armand | lol |
| 15:58.35 | Kyle__ | ihsw: KVM is good for pretending like that. Try it in pure deb, see if it has the same behavior :) |
| 15:59.02 | himmelstrutz- | hi. my computer is pretty slow. i've been using clementine for playing music files, and like it, but my system is too slow; is there any light version, or some other music player you can recommend? |
| 15:59.04 | ihsw | but if it works, or it's a different error, then i will have waste both my time and yours |
| 15:59.14 | babilen | ihsw: Well, you *are not* -- I strongly suspect that it is the unhealthy mixture of CB and bdo that is biting you. Just use Debian if you want help here. We *do not* support anything but Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. Just take it there and lets drop this. If you want to know why "/msg" me |
| 15:59.26 | Kyle__ | ihsw: Granted. |
| 15:59.49 | sephii | hey there, after a crash I can't run iceweasel anymore. I'm getting the error "iceweasel is already running". I tried to reboot, no luck. I also deleted the lockfile in my ~/.mozilla dir, no luck. Also I checked that no iceweasel/firefox process is running, no luck too. Any idea? This is driving me crazy |
| 16:00.02 | Armand | I think it's a fair question.. why are you using that, rather than Debian, ihsw ? |
| 16:00.19 | Shadow` | no pid? |
| 16:00.26 | ihsw | i understand your policy, the taste in my mouth however is no less sour than before, good day |
| 16:01.08 | sephii | I didn't find anything in /var/run |
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| 16:01.50 | Shadow` | dpkg-reconfigure iceweasel? |
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| 16:02.48 | sephii | just tried, no luck |
| 16:03.15 | sephii | if I remove my .mozilla dir, it works... |
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| 16:04.08 | sephii | so I guess there's still a lockfile somewhere... find ~/.mozilla -name '*lock*' doesn't give anything though |
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| 16:05.18 | denom | I'm trying to install node.js running debian testing, It's not showing up for `aptitude search node`? |
| 16:06.13 | denom | is it only in unstable? |
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| 16:07.35 | Kyle__ | Any advice on which way to go with netbeans in sid? |
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| 16:07.50 | sney | denom: yep, only in sid |
| 16:08.19 | denom | sney, do you know why? |
| 16:08.28 | sney | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nodejs |
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| 16:10.01 | denom | mipsel? Hmm, could be the inline asm in v8? |
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| 16:11.04 | b3hnam | I can not use apt-get install or apt-get upgrade and I have this error http://dpaste.com/813255/ |
| 16:11.04 | b3hnam | how can I fix it ? |
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| 16:13.22 | paul0 | why my lan is unmanaged? |
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| 16:16.05 | b3hnam | I used -f and purge but all of them can not work |
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| 16:17.28 | babilen | b3hnam: Those packages really don't look like Debian packages. Could you read "/msg dpkg bat" and provide all the requested information on http://paste.debian.net or another pastebin (such as dpaste.com)) ? |
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| 16:20.57 | babilen | b3hnam: Furthermore: It looks as if /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-extlinux assumes that /usr/share/syslinux/themes/debian-squeeze/extlinux/memtest.bin is present (syslinux-themes-debian-squeeze package). You could paste that script to http://paste.debian.net, but be aware that my wrath will be upon you if you are not using Debian ;) |
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| 16:22.53 | babilen | b3hnam: Well, my time is up. Good luck! |
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| 16:23.51 | paul0 | what is the fastest desktop environment? xfce? |
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| 16:24.41 | abrotman | lxde probably |
| 16:24.51 | abrotman | try them all, let us know |
| 16:25.20 | paul0 | thank, didn't know about lxde |
| 16:25.27 | paul0 | thanks |
| 16:25.35 | damacus | lxde is a good middle ground |
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| 16:25.47 | damacus | if you want absolute speed with no frills etc go for twm |
| 16:25.48 | paul0 | looking for alternatives, gnome is slow in this computer |
| 16:26.02 | dvs | hides fvwm |
| 16:26.06 | damacus | (for example if you just need a very lightweight WM you're going to access remotely for running virt-manager or a grphical installer) |
| 16:26.10 | abrotman | dvs: he did say DE ... |
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| 16:26.32 | dvs | ah |
| 16:26.56 | paul0 | just want something lightweight, that have some features like connection management and automatic volume mount |
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| 16:31.11 | megagolgoth | hi |
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| 16:31.47 | megagolgoth | i want to transfer a ssh conection from my desktop, to another computer |
| 16:31.59 | ompaul | paul0: if X is slow on a computer where you are locally running, it is usually means you need more clock cycles, or more ram, or more disk space. So it's not the operating system or desktops issue, xfce and you can add in lots of useful tools, however the big two KDE and gnome both have issues with being big which allows them perform lots of things sensibly your own network manager or the one that's there pmount is useful but not as good as konqueror |
| 16:32.01 | ompaul | or nautilus |
| 16:32.17 | ompaul | paul0: it's kind of how I view the world |
| 16:34.27 | paul0 | ompaul: Yeah, I understand your point |
| 16:34.45 | paul0 | this is a 1.6ghz with 1.5gb ram memory, 160gb disk |
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| 16:35.01 | paul0 | gnome 3.4 is feeling quite slow |
| 16:35.23 | ompaul | paul0: and you have an integrated video card? |
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| 16:35.44 | abrotman | ompaul: i do, gnome doesn't seem slow here |
| 16:35.58 | paul0 | ompaul: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS |
| 16:36.12 | paul0 | this is an old laptop |
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| 16:36.23 | abrotman | watches this battle of the pauls ... |
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| 16:37.40 | ompaul | abrotman: no battle |
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| 16:38.02 | ompaul | he win's with his machine he has to --- once he gets a DE that's kind enough ] |
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| 16:38.47 | paul0 | just got bored with my macbook and osx, going back to debian |
| 16:39.01 | jhutchins | I have a 2 GHz Core2, and KDE4 is noticibly worse than 3.5 on it. |
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| 16:39.15 | ompaul | paul0: so use xfce, get yourself some wicd or network manager in there at least you don't have to do much beyond that, and remember to close apps and tune and tune it, also remember to use ext4 if you can - it's faster than 3 |
| 16:39.24 | jhutchins | Developers find it so easy to just throw hardware at bloat that they have no incentive to clean up their code. |
| 16:39.43 | paul0 | ompaul: I'm using xfs |
| 16:39.54 | paul0 | xfs is slow compared to ext4? |
| 16:39.57 | jhutchins | ompaul: ext4 vs 3 depends on what kind of files you're dealing with. |
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| 16:40.55 | ompaul | jhutchins: I find my general o/s use to work better with 4 |
| 16:41.01 | ompaul | observably so |
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| 16:41.33 | ompaul | paul0: xfs was never my friend you might enjoy it |
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| 16:42.13 | paul0 | ompaul: I've been using it since it's release, seems fine, but never did any benchmarks |
| 16:42.42 | paul0 | Last four years I've been using a macbook with osx, but got bored |
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| 16:43.02 | paul0 | now going back to debian :) |
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| 16:45.49 | jhutchins_wk | xfce-volumed is running, but I don't see an icon anywhere. |
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| 16:46.19 | zodiak | paul0, osx totally annoys the *** out of me. unable to change system font, stuck with taskbar at the top. horrible. |
| 16:47.01 | paul0 | zodiak: I'm still using snow leopard, because updating it was really boring |
| 16:47.23 | zodiak | paul0, meh.. if you want to run it for whatever reason, use vmware and be done ;) |
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| 16:47.40 | zodiak | sl wasn't bad, still suffered from unable to TRULY customize it though |
| 16:47.53 | paul0 | I just like the games, actually |
| 16:47.57 | zodiak | O_o |
| 16:48.02 | paul0 | Will miss civilization V |
| 16:48.10 | zodiak | paul0, you on a desktop or laptop ? |
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| 16:48.20 | paul0 | laptop |
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| 16:48.42 | zodiak | aaahh.. yeah. sorry. if you were on a desktop, I would say 'xen' for games but.. laptop.. not so much |
| 16:48.59 | paul0 | an old laptop, also :) |
| 16:49.14 | zodiak | doubly sorry ;) |
| 16:49.16 | paul0 | but I'll keep my mac for gaming heh] |
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| 16:49.44 | paul0 | this awesome window manger seems nice |
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| 16:49.54 | paul0 | I'll try |
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| 16:52.37 | mertcan | Hi, I have Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04 installed on my computer right now. I want to remove ubuntu and install debian 6, but I'm not sure if I have to do anything other than just formatting the ubuntu partition and installing debian on it. Can you help please? |
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| 16:53.19 | jhutchins_wk | mertcan: Just formatting should be sufficient. Use advanced installer so you can specify to mount the Ubuntu partions as Debians. |
| 16:53.22 | jhutchins_wk | 's |
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| 16:54.26 | mertcan | @jtuschins_wk: Okay, how exactly do I specify to mount the Ubuntu partitions as Debian's? |
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| 16:57.04 | jhutchins_wk | mertcan: It'll be fairly intuitive when you get to the partitioning menu. |
| 16:57.13 | jhutchins_wk | mertcan: Just make sure you know which partition is what. |
| 16:57.28 | jhutchins_wk | mertcan: (@ doesn't do anything in irc) |
| 16:58.01 | mertcan | jhutchins_wk: Okay I know which partition is what, thanks a lot for the answer |
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| 16:58.43 | nsadmin | which partitions are you trying to keep? (aka what is each mount point) |
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| 16:59.39 | mertcan | I want to keep Windows and another partition that my movies, music etc. is on |
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| 17:01.57 | jhutchins_wk | mertcan: This would be a good point to remind you to back up anything that really matters to you if you're messing with partitions. |
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| 17:04.42 | weeb1e | Hmm, this is a tricky issue, I'm not exactly sure what is wrong |
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| 17:05.14 | weeb1e | I fork a root process and change uid and gid yet the HOME environment variable is still /root |
| 17:05.14 | paul0` | hum, this awesoem window manger is interesting |
| 17:05.30 | weeb1e | This doesn't happen on my ubuntu server, so I am confused as to what is wrong |
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| 17:06.39 | weeb1e | Does anyone have any ideas? I am logged in as the user with SSH and the HOME environment variable is correct |
| 17:06.43 | Guest59722 | hi, i've gnome shell on debian whezzy, i try to install a new language but when i pree "+" for add a language, it return a empty list |
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| 17:08.04 | nag | Hi. Does the "64-bit kernel, 32-bit userland" approach taken in the SPARC64 port imply that 64-bit programs cannot be compiled after install? |
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| 17:10.02 | nsadmin | nag, that depends on the compiler you install/build yourself/use |
| 17:10.44 | nsadmin | you can build a compiler (or find one maybe) that lives in 32b and produces 64b code |
| 17:11.17 | weeb1e | To rephrase, does anyone know what setting the processes gid and uid would not change the environment variables on debian, but does on ubuntu? |
| 17:11.17 | nag | nsadmin: right, so the kernel itself doesn't impose the limitation, it's the userland binaries compile-time settings, correct? |
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| 17:13.32 | un214 | why would it change enviornment variables? |
| 17:13.45 | un214 | what did ubuntu do, path LIBC and intercept setuid? |
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| 17:15.41 | weeb1e | un214: I really don't know what ubuntu does, but I designed by massive platform which is integrated with ubuntu and I didn't think there would be such massive differences. I have a process manager which runs as root inorder to fork processes, change ulimits and other things and then set uid and gid before using exec to spawn a process |
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| 17:16.06 | weeb1e | The spawned process needs to run as the specific user, which does not work on debian since it continues to have roots environment variables |
| 17:16.09 | ManoftheSea | weeb1e: so... you're using systemd? |
| 17:16.15 | un214 | in a stock POSIX system none of those calls would change HOME |
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| 17:16.37 | weeb1e | un214: Let me test on my ubuntu server quick |
| 17:16.48 | weeb1e | ManoftheSea: I'm using setuid and setgid |
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| 17:17.12 | un214 | maybe ubuntu's /etc/profile reinitializes HOME for some reason |
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| 17:17.37 | weeb1e | un214: I just tested, HOME is definitely changed correctly |
| 17:17.47 | un214 | by the way, see man su for how to simulate all aspects of a login |
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| 17:19.44 | weeb1e | I guess I can update HOME after setting the uid and gid, I just hope theres no other important variables that are not changed like ubuntus behavior |
| 17:20.01 | un214 | check LOGNAME and USER |
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| 17:20.49 | un214 | you might have to clear ENV |
| 17:21.04 | weeb1e | Ah those need to be set too, I wonder where ubuntu sets all these things |
| 17:21.35 | weeb1e | Clearing ENV isn't going to make the setuid initialize ENV again |
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| 17:22.35 | un214 | but an unset ENV is expected from a new login initialization |
| 17:23.25 | weeb1e | un214: So I should unset it and then set USER, HOME and LOGNAME manually on debian |
| 17:23.28 | wallen | Hello, after a fresh installation I can't manage to scroll by keeping the mousewheel button pushed and moving the mouse up/down although wheelup and wheeldown are working properly. Any idea? |
| 17:23.33 | un214 | yes |
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| 17:24.37 | weeb1e | un214: Is there any system call that will initialize it like login would (or ubuntu does on setuid)? |
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| 17:24.53 | weeb1e | Preferably not requiring spawning another process just to do that |
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| 17:25.11 | un214 | setenv |
| 17:25.30 | un214 | but you have to know the intended value |
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| 17:25.48 | un214 | or you can do su -l -c 'cmd' |
| 17:26.08 | weeb1e | No I mean a call that would set the defaults for the user |
| 17:26.13 | weeb1e | But I guess the answer is no |
| 17:26.25 | nsadmin | is this for csh or tcsh? |
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| 17:26.53 | weeb1e | The platform is written in a high level language, it does not use a shell |
| 17:26.57 | nsadmin | weeb1e, you'd have to build that |
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| 17:27.18 | weeb1e | It forks a process, changes uid and other stuff and then uses exec to replace the process |
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| 17:27.30 | weeb1e | I wasn't expecting such big changes from ubuntu |
| 17:27.49 | weeb1e | This is going to be a lot more effort than I had hoped :/ |
| 17:28.10 | nsadmin | this is dependent on something from ubuntu? |
| 17:28.36 | weeb1e | nsadmin: I built the software for ubuntu, on ubuntu setuid correctly sets the ENV for the user |
| 17:28.44 | weeb1e | I assumed debian would do the same |
| 17:29.02 | nsadmin | setuid? setenv? |
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| 17:29.19 | weeb1e | setuid |
| 17:29.31 | weeb1e | Only when user processes were trying to access /root did I realize debian does not correct the ENV |
| 17:29.35 | nsadmin | setuid is a bit in files |
| 17:29.58 | un214 | ... what I called ENV is a particular enviornment variable |
| 17:30.19 | weeb1e | well I am talking about all environment variables |
| 17:30.34 | weeb1e | when I change uid on ubuntu, the ENV is magically correct |
| 17:30.38 | nsadmin | each process has its own set of env vars |
| 17:30.41 | un214 | yes you are but where I said clear ENV I meant the particular one |
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| 17:31.41 | weeb1e | My high level code is essentially just calling the C function setuid() and setgid() |
| 17:32.04 | weeb1e | After doing that on ubuntu, HOME and all other user specific environment variables are correct for the user |
| 17:32.22 | weeb1e | This has nothing to do with file permissions nsadmin |
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| 17:33.30 | nsadmin | sec |
| 17:34.09 | weeb1e | I'll just have to manually set HOME, LOGNAME, NAME and USERNAME |
| 17:34.24 | weeb1e | Those appear to be the user specific environment vars |
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| 17:34.58 | nsadmin | so ubuntu's setuid alters those vars all at once and debian's does not'/ |
| 17:35.03 | nsadmin | ? |
| 17:35.15 | nag | nsadmin: for completeness, the answer appears to be that Debian/SPARC does not support 64-bit binaries, but that the unofficial port (Debian/SPARC64) does. |
| 17:35.39 | weeb1e | nsadmin: Yes |
| 17:36.01 | nsadmin | that would be a source of profound incompatibility |
| 17:36.23 | weeb1e | I'll print out all the variables quick on my ubuntu server and see, I only confirmed HOME |
| 17:36.50 | nsadmin | to the point (as you've found) that simple libc calls do not do the same thing |
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| 17:37.48 | weeb1e | nsadmin: Oh, I see it only changes HOME |
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| 17:38.03 | weeb1e | NAME, LOGNAME and USERNAME remain as root |
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| 17:38.55 | weeb1e | So ubuntu just sets HOME on setenv() |
| 17:39.00 | weeb1e | Err, setuid()* |
| 17:39.05 | nsadmin | KDE_SESSION_UID=1000 <- maybe an interesting var that happened to show up in my env |
| 17:39.05 | zak_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.13 | nsadmin | zak_, sounds like (1) not plugged in, (2) usb drivers missing, (3) usb sockets not plugged into usb controller |
| 17:41.23 | nsadmin | among others |
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| 17:41.54 | hdec | chyba na ppa ktos napisal, ze amiga os jest w rekach amatoroskich programistow, jesli to prawda to szkoda |
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| 17:42.54 | zak_ | nsadmin: it used to be detected ...even tail -f /var/log/messages doesn't show anything |
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| 17:43.00 | nsadmin | hdec, hi. welcome to debian support. most people know english here |
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| 17:43.28 | nsadmin | zak_, check your connections, check your cable |
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| 17:44.45 | nsadmin | if you're not getting anything (maybe check dmesg before and after plugging it in), seems like it's physical |
| 17:45.08 | djshaji | updated my squeeze 6.0 with 93 updates |
| 17:45.10 | djshaji | right now |
| 17:45.14 | zak_ | nsadmin: even the blue lights did not used to flash ... |
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| 17:45.30 | djshaji | quick question |
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| 17:47.27 | nsadmin | ask |
| 17:47.30 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 17:47.40 | dioz | why do i have so many issues with gdm3? |
| 17:47.53 | themill | %wb |
| 17:47.53 | dselect | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 17:48.00 | dioz | when my monitor comes out of standby it "defaults" to a resolution that is higher than what i have set in system settings |
| 17:48.06 | dioz | and now i can't even get into system settings to change it |
| 17:48.13 | dioz | i have to /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop |
| 17:48.15 | dioz | then re-start it |
| 17:48.22 | dioz | then it fixes itself and i can get into systme settings again |
| 17:49.03 | nsadmin | sounds like an unfortunate interaction bet. your monitor and your video card |
| 17:49.15 | dioz | gnome-shell is a resourse hog and constantly needs to be restarted |
| 17:49.38 | dioz | gdm3 sucks IMO |
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| 17:49.58 | nsadmin | what does gnome-shell do (besides hogging)? |
| 17:50.08 | dioz | it's the fancy part of gnome |
| 17:50.32 | nsadmin | so it implements a largish portion of gnome personality? |
| 17:50.47 | dioz | it makes it look like a tablet environment |
| 17:51.35 | nsadmin | I see. is it good when it works well? does it ever work well? |
| 17:51.43 | dioz | it works well for about 15 hours |
| 17:51.57 | dioz | then after that it starts to eat a lot of resources |
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| 17:52.04 | nsadmin | hmm. that sounds like a memory leak |
| 17:52.18 | dioz | CPU sits at around 75% |
| 17:52.28 | dioz | i've since removed it |
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| 17:53.41 | dioz | but the part where i can't get into system settings |
| 17:53.46 | dioz | until i kill gdm3 and restart it |
| 17:53.49 | dioz | that is the most annoying part |
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| 17:55.08 | nsadmin | just so you know, you can ignore me if you want... I'm satisfying my curiousity about gnome-shell... I've always wanted a "visual shell" (but is that what gnome-shell is?) |
| 17:55.30 | dioz | from what i can see gnome-shell is the part that makes gnome fancy |
| 17:56.15 | nsadmin | what release are you running? I have a wheezy I installed out of curiousity |
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| 17:56.41 | dioz | wheezy |
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| 17:57.24 | dioz | oh i don't remember what installer i used |
| 17:57.43 | nsadmin | I think I used beta2 |
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| 17:58.20 | dioz | and cause there was no fglrx support originally in wheezy i used the installer from the ati website |
| 17:58.29 | dioz | and everytime i apt-get update/upgrade it wrecks stuff |
| 17:58.57 | dioz | the fglrx driver that comes with wheezy in the repos is old |
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| 18:16.23 | dioz | gnome-control-c[32693]: segfault at 35 ip 00007f25ea39f8c5 sp 00007fffc5188798 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[7f25ea282000+17d000] |
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| 18:19.05 | KsM | ,pkg compiz-core |
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| 18:28.16 | dioz | gnome-shell[2849]: segfault at 35 ip 00007ff91c51c8c5 sp 00007fff6123abf8 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[7ff91c3ff000+17d000] |
| 18:28.30 | dioz | so i reinstalled the package that has libc-2.13.so |
| 18:28.36 | dioz | and i'm still running into issues with it |
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| 18:41.37 | c-- | on a freshly installed debian kbsd squeeze test system - i've changed the sources.list to testing and ran apt-get update && apt-get distupgrade, but it fails with dependency errors (could not perform immediate configuration on...). |
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| 18:46.26 | NiveusLuna | i see dpkg (the irc bot) is missing. |
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| 18:50.00 | NiveusLuna | okay, found the info i wanted. the preferred pastebin for this channel: paste.debian.net. log grepping wasn't helping. |
| 18:50.12 | NiveusLuna | goes back to hacking on atheme maybe |
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| 19:02.39 | Guest44644 | I am new to databases and I need to find where Postgresql database files are located. I was told that Debian changes the location for these files. Is it in /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main/base? |
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| 19:14.21 | djshotglass | comming to deb from arch where do i add services to start on boot |
| 19:16.49 | rozie | take a look on rcconf and update-rc.d |
| 19:17.07 | djshotglass | ty |
| 19:17.17 | rozie | most are started by default |
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| 19:17.33 | rozie | some require to be enabled in /etc/default/* |
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| 19:29.12 | hipodilski | hi is it possible to reinstall basis libraries for a Debian Linux without deleting the old data on the hard disk |
| 19:29.33 | hipodilski | I broke my system and now even with chroot can't enter it because there are problems with basic libraries |
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| 19:32.15 | Mac101 | hi howd you restore iptables rules on squeeze |
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| 19:36.02 | nkuttler | Mac101: iptables-restore |
| 19:36.15 | Mac101 | after reboot |
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| 19:36.27 | Mac101 | /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 19:36.36 | Mac101 | thingy doesnt seem to work anymore? |
| 19:36.47 | Mac101 | sorry wasnt specific |
| 19:36.48 | nkuttler | hipodilski: you can dpkg -i --force-foo packages |
| 19:37.32 | nkuttler | hipodilski: worst case you can also extract the packages manually and copy them over... consider a reinstall though |
| 19:37.34 | hipodilski | nkuttler: yes but I can't chroot |
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| 19:37.48 | hipodilski | nkuttler: how to re-install without deleting the partition |
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| 19:38.17 | nkuttler | hipodilski: the install should ask you if it should format or use an existing filesystem |
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| 19:39.14 | hipodilski | nkuttler: can it install on existing file system without formatting |
| 19:39.16 | lol37 | hi |
| 19:39.29 | nkuttler | hipodilski: iirc yes, but check the install guide |
| 19:39.38 | lol37 | i got some trouble installing debian in my pc |
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| 19:39.57 | lol37 | i can't get into the blue installation screen |
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| 19:40.31 | nkuttler | lol37: which installer do you use, do you get an error, etc |
| 19:40.53 | lol37 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.47 | lol37 | also my hard disk shows activity |
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| 19:42.32 | lol37 | i tried updating bios but without success |
| 19:43.41 | lol37 | i also removed some useless PCI devices |
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| 19:44.30 | lol37 | is my computer too old for ? |
| 19:44.39 | lol37 | ( 2003-2004 ) |
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| 19:47.47 | hipodilski | i will be glad if someone knows for sure |
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| 19:52.18 | flash_ | lol37, I'm guessing but nobody else seems to be rushing forwards with any other ideas, but... That could be an IRQ conflict, and are there any settings in BIOS that you can play around with to try and change IRQ allocations, disable com/lpt etc? |
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| 19:52.50 | flash_ | also disable any bios anti-virus settings etc, that might prevent boot sector being changed |
| 19:52.55 | lol37 | i saw a thread on the archlinux forum |
| 19:53.08 | lol37 | it says fixed by downgrading kernel |
| 19:53.23 | lol37 | so... i wasted burning 1 cd |
| 19:53.32 | Kyle__ | the right to way switch kernels is to apt-get install linux-image-blah (obviously accepting the consequences if things go awry) |
| 19:53.35 | Kyle__ | Yes? |
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| 19:54.02 | flash_ | lol37, flash drives are the install way of the future - although possibly not on that old a computer :) |
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| 19:54.25 | lol37 | yes but my stick is 1.1 |
| 19:54.32 | lol37 | .. |
| 19:54.46 | Kyle__ | lol37: Doesn't matter what usb version the stick is. That only determines the max throughput. |
| 19:55.01 | lol37 | this is the point |
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| 19:55.11 | lol37 | i don't want hours of install |
| 19:55.43 | Kyle__ | lol37: Then use a faster stick, or a fast cdrom/dvdrom. If your connection is good enough, a net-install. Those are your choices. |
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| 19:56.55 | lol37 | if i choose net install |
| 19:57.12 | lol37 | can i change the kernel so i get one that is working ? |
| 19:57.13 | Kyle__ | lol37: I suppose... do you have an external usb hdd? You _can_ dd the image onto one of those, and install off of it (as long as the target machine can boot from usb). That's quite fast. |
| 19:57.34 | Kyle__ | lol37: The kernel on the install media doesn't like your hardware? |
| 19:57.43 | lol37 | yes |
| 19:57.52 | lol37 | this is what i tried to say |
| 19:57.56 | lol37 | i can't even boot |
| 19:58.07 | Kyle__ | At what point does it stop? |
| 19:58.45 | lol37 | after you get the debian logo with a *beep* and you just press enter "Install debian" |
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| 19:59.06 | mouip | Bonjour, |
| 19:59.11 | lol37 | salut |
| 19:59.13 | mouip | j'ai un petit problème avec mon debian |
| 19:59.14 | lol37 | c'est anglais ici |
| 19:59.21 | lol37 | va sur #debian-fr |
| 19:59.24 | mouip | merci |
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| 19:59.33 | Kyle__ | lol37: The onscreen prompts for choosing video mode or turning off acpi? Did you try those? |
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| 19:59.38 | Guest7779 | Hi guy's |
| 19:59.44 | lol37 | i tried everything |
| 19:59.46 | Guest7779 | I have a problem, |
| 19:59.58 | lol37 | noacpi noapic nolapic ide_generic blahblah |
| 20:00.26 | Guest7779 | How do I install Android SDK Manager under .deb file |
| 20:01.12 | lol37 | just seems that my distro doesn't recognize my hardware as you said |
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| 20:01.19 | Kyle__ | lol37: Which excat video modes did you try? It kindof sounds more like it doesn't like the graphics card. |
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| 20:01.49 | lol37 | the default one |
| 20:01.59 | lol37 | vga |
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| 20:03.45 | Kyle__ | Hu. Well, if you tried a text install, with vga so fb is out of the question, dunno what to tell you. What happens with an ubuntu-server or netbsd installer? Without more info, all I can do is grasp at straws. |
| 20:04.12 | Mac101 | hmm anyone now how to make iptables rules persistant after reboot in squeeze? |
| 20:04.58 | Mac101 | i follow the wiki and maade nano /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables +x & /etc/iptables.save (with the rules) |
| 20:05.04 | Mac101 | but after reboot its lost |
| 20:06.19 | Kyle__ | Mac101: The ugly way (if you just need it to work, now) is rc.local |
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| 20:07.10 | Mac101 | kinda curious what ive done wrong the way im doing it |
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| 20:07.18 | Mac101 | sure ive made it work this way before :/ |
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| 20:13.06 | tharkun | Mac101: dmesg is your friend |
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| 20:14.30 | Mac101 | actually were not really acquainted yet |
| 20:14.36 | Mac101 | still fairy new |
| 20:14.38 | Mac101 | :) |
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| 20:15.19 | Mac101 | fairly* bad typo |
| 20:15.39 | tharkun | Mac101: An old Irish friend used to say "There are no strangers, only friends we have not yet met." |
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| 20:16.04 | pr0tocol | what's going on, everyone? :) |
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| 20:25.41 | KsM | is compiz gone from wheezy's repos? |
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| 20:27.03 | ashley_w | i just setup debian in virtualbox, and for some reason cannot ssh into it from a remote server. i changed the port forwarding on my router, and i get "Permission denied (publickey)." when i try to connect, yet i see nothing in /var/log/auth.log on any of my systems |
| 20:27.22 | ashley_w | is debian doing something different than my gentoo or ubuntu systems? |
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| 20:28.03 | miwa | ashley_w: are you absolutely certain your routes are setup properly? You could use something like tcpdump on the host to see if your traffic is finding it's right way through |
| 20:28.06 | ironm | ashley_w, there is an issue with default routing (or so ... as far as I can remember) |
| 20:28.57 | tharkun | ashley_w: take a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config look for PermitRootLogin |
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| 20:29.27 | ironm | ashley_w, can you ping your virtual debian from the remote host? |
| 20:29.37 | ashley_w | i can ssh into it from the LAN IP. what i don't get is where is the Permission denied coming from, as i don't see it logged anywhere |
| 20:29.48 | ashley_w | PermitRootLogin is disabled. |
| 20:30.01 | tharkun | ashley_w: and you are not logging as root right? |
| 20:30.08 | ashley_w | no :) |
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| 20:30.27 | tharkun | ashley_w: ip or hostname? |
| 20:30.43 | themill | I can't imagine that not being logged... sure you're looking in the right machine? |
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| 20:31.13 | tharkun | ashley_w: for some reason you are trying to log to a different machine. As themill allready stated ;P |
| 20:31.15 | ashley_w | both ip and hostname |
| 20:31.51 | tharkun | ashley_w: acid test. /etc/init.d/sshd stop on the vm machine and see what pops up |
| 20:33.19 | KsM | >Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 20:33.25 | tharkun | ashley_w: you might also want to take a look at Match User directive if you have one on your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 20:33.44 | KsM | You have pubkey login only and ssh isn't sending the key? |
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| 20:33.46 | KsM | /lag |
| 20:33.52 | ashley_w | stopping sshd got me Connection refused |
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| 20:34.47 | tharkun | ashley_w: KsM allready stated your isue. Check Match User directive or some limmiting factor on your sshd config for your current user |
| 20:35.06 | ashley_w | if i change the port, i see auth.log messages there |
| 20:35.25 | ashley_w | tharkun: that should still log things, right? |
| 20:35.50 | GhostInTheShell | ashley_w: As KsM stated - check if you have only Pubkeys enabled and password authentication disabled in your sshd_config |
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| 20:36.07 | tharkun | ashley_w: yes, unless you broke syslog for somereason but then it wouldn't log anything |
| 20:36.21 | ashley_w | okay, i see it log for an invalid user name |
| 20:36.40 | tharkun | ashley_w: AllowUsers might shed also some info on your isue |
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| 20:37.36 | ashley_w | i don't have any fancy settings added, and i'm not seeing any match or allow directives |
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| 20:38.50 | tharkun | ashley_w: grep sshd /var/log/auth.log |
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| 20:39.41 | ashley_w | hmm... my authorized_keys file is messed up |
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| 20:39.56 | ashley_w | i figured it'd log somewhere, though |
| 20:40.18 | ashley_w | grr... sorry :) |
| 20:40.23 | ashley_w | thanks, though |
| 20:40.29 | tharkun | looks for green timber for ashley_w |
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| 20:40.56 | tharkun | will cook saute ashley_w |
| 20:41.13 | ashley_w | wat?! |
| 20:41.38 | oskie | ok ok |
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| 21:14.10 | consfearacy | i like using linux on console... i wonder what goodies one can enjoy on the console?. mpg123, and mc, and.. |
| 21:14.40 | Kyle__ | Any X gurus about? I can output video (using mplayer) to either frame buffer, but I can't use X on both at once. I don't even see an error for the other display in the log |
| 21:14.43 | Kyle__ | https://www.refheap.com/paste/5831 |
| 21:15.01 | Kyle__ | consfearacy: mplayer has a pretty good fb driver, so you can watch video on it as well. |
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| 21:15.31 | consfearacy | ooh nice |
| 21:15.59 | Kyle__ | consfearacy: I was just using it as a sanity check to make sure I could, in fact, use both frame buffers. |
| 21:16.16 | consfearacy | ok |
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| 21:18.07 | Kyle__ | consfearacy: also, you can use cat to take and display screenshots if you're using fb. |
| 21:19.08 | consfearacy | nice |
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| 21:20.04 | c-- | how do i permanently reset the keyboard layout on command line? |
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| 21:25.44 | blubberdiblub | c--: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 21:29.40 | elixey | so i tried isntalling kfreebsd which told me it couldnt recognize my network interface |
| 21:29.50 | elixey | the red screen of death popped up with that message |
| 21:29.52 | lol37 | hi everybody, during boot i got this : ata1 link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) |
| 21:29.59 | elixey | is there some sort of salvation for me? |
| 21:30.13 | lol37 | and i have to wait 2 min before boot can finish, any advice ? |
| 21:30.44 | lol37 | and also ata1 status drdy error |
| 21:30.44 | elixey | when did this start happening lol37 |
| 21:31.25 | lol37 | since install |
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| 21:31.28 | lol37 | have to wait 2 min before getting into the blue screen installation again |
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| 21:32.53 | bolt | I upgraded a machine to wheezy, and update-grub displays a hundred lines of "error: unknown LVM metadata header." in between its normal output. Downgrading grub-common and grub-pc to the stable version makes the errors go away. What could do this? Tried googling for it, but I couldn't find any definite answer. I have a LVM on top of four disks that are in RAID5. The raid is the only pv in the LVM. I am not booting from it. |
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| 21:37.04 | chovy | how do i uninstall ack (not ack-grep) -- it still leaves binary in /usr/local/bin/ack |
| 21:37.24 | xand | if it's in /usr/local then it's not a debian package |
| 21:38.00 | chovy | sorry, /usr/bin/ack |
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| 21:39.29 | jmarsden | chovy: dpkg -S /usr/bin/ack should tell you what package installed it. Then apt-get purge that package? |
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| 21:47.02 | themill | !wb |
| 21:47.02 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 21:47.07 | themill | %die |
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| 21:48.58 | steve464646 | Hello Debian bros, anyone here have a lot of experience using *testing* as their main distro? |
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| 21:49.47 | steve464646 | I was under the impression that it would be relatively stable - this is my first time venturing outside of <squeeze> and I'm kind of having a lot of problems |
| 21:50.45 | steve464646 | I'm not a total noob-sausage, and I'm having problems with <Remmina> and <xpdf> or whatever the pdf reader with XFCE is |
| 21:50.49 | chovy | jmarsden: that worked. is there anyway to force a purge when I do apt-get remove? |
| 21:51.12 | steve464646 | I think apt get has a <purge> command |
| 21:51.16 | steve464646 | or at least aptitude does |
| 21:51.33 | bolt | chovy: apt-get remove --purge <foo> |
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| 21:52.55 | bolt | steve464646: you should ask your question, stating your problem, instead of being so vague |
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| 21:53.05 | Kyle__ | Anyone working with displaylink devices for second heads in deb? I'm struggling a bit. |
| 21:54.46 | chovy | bolt: thanks |
| 21:54.54 | steve464646 | Using Remmina on top of XFCE <testing>, connecting to a Windows 7 box through an SSH gate, no mouse clicks are registered in the RDP session |
| 21:55.02 | chovy | does anyone know how to tell where my server is located geographically? |
| 21:55.23 | steve464646 | And the PDF reader that comes with XFCE is consitently rendering every other page as a big garbled mess |
| 21:55.50 | steve464646 | chovy did you do a whois on the IP address? |
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| 21:56.57 | steve464646 | In the turdminal (terminal) < $whois ipaddress > |
| 21:57.04 | chovy | steve464646: that just gives me owner of ip |
| 21:57.12 | steve464646 | chovy how about a phone number |
| 21:57.24 | steve464646 | you could look up the area code |
| 21:57.25 | chovy | that doesn't mean it is located in that country |
| 21:57.32 | steve464646 | I know that's not exactly what you're looking for |
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| 21:57.41 | chovy | i think it is germany |
| 21:57.44 | steve464646 | I think are websites that kind of do a graphical traceroute |
| 21:57.46 | chovy | when i ping i get .de back |
| 21:57.46 | steve464646 | let me look |
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| 21:58.13 | chovy | there are geolocation sites, but they all work off your ip your browsing with. |
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| 21:58.43 | steve464646 | chovy, try <www.infosniper.net> |
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| 21:58.58 | steve464646 | there's a box to put whatever IP you want in |
| 21:59.05 | steve464646 | I tried a couple - is fairly accurate |
| 21:59.38 | steve464646 | I'm using Firefox/Adblock Plus, sorry in advance if that site is a pop-up generator |
| 21:59.47 | steve464646 | or gives your computer herpes |
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| 22:01.28 | chovy | it works |
| 22:01.30 | chovy | heh |
| 22:01.35 | chovy | mac doesn't get herpes |
| 22:01.47 | steve464646 | they *can* catch the STDs |
| 22:01.56 | Kyle__ | Is there a way to remove just the intel xorg driver, and not the rest? |
| 22:01.57 | steve464646 | you heard about that huge java vulnerability a while back? |
| 22:02.03 | steve464646 | Flashback or whatever it was called |
| 22:02.12 | chovy | steve464646: i heard it was only if you're doing anal web. |
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| 22:02.21 | steve464646 | Kyle, did you poke around in /etc/X11/ |
| 22:02.52 | steve464646 | chovy, yeah usually when we get viruses it's because we deserve it for being somewhere we shouldn't be or downloading bogus things |
| 22:03.04 | Kyle__ | steve464646: not really. Other than trying to make a custom xorg.conf |
| 22:03.29 | steve464646 | Kyle, intel display driver? |
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| 22:03.38 | ompaul | steve464646: not 100% accurate, I doubt it if it is even 50% accurate. I have no doubt that it is true for some cases. |
| 22:04.09 | steve464646 | ompaul, when did you ever get a virus on a legitimate site |
| 22:04.22 | Kyle__ | steve464646: Yes. I want to try and remove it, to see if X -configure behaves any better. It's seeing it as a laptop card, even though it's not, and then complaining about the number of configured screens doesn't match the number of devices. |
| 22:04.26 | Kyle__ | Quite annoying. |
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| 22:04.33 | Bogus | Either way there are only no viruses because the market share is so pathetically small. |
| 22:04.48 | Kyle__ | Once the intel driver is gone, maybe it will just let fbdev do its thing |
| 22:04.54 | steve464646 | Kyle, the man page for xorg is huge, I think |
| 22:05.05 | Bogus | No "hax0r" is going after 7% of the market when 82+% is all on the same platform. |
| 22:05.17 | ompaul | steve464646: I got them from legitimate sources back in the pre nineties, also I don't run windows and haven't since 93 except for 2 or so months when I dual booted in 01 |
| 22:05.34 | steve464646 | Kyle, are you running squeeze? |
| 22:05.47 | Kyle__ | steve464646: I've never seen a way to blacklist a driver form X -configure. I just want to know how to remove xorg-intel-driver |
| 22:05.58 | Kyle__ | ack. xserver-xorg-video-intel without removing all of X |
| 22:06.05 | Kyle__ | steve464646: Squeeze, updated to sid. |
| 22:06.09 | steve464646 | yeah sorry Kyle, I'm not sure where all the default ones are stored |
| 22:06.20 | chovy | i remember doing dual boot |
| 22:06.25 | steve464646 | And I don't want to give you bogus advice for xorg |
| 22:06.39 | chovy | man, i used gentoo for like 5 years before i discovered debian |
| 22:06.50 | chovy | what a relief that was. |
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| 22:07.01 | steve464646 | kyle did you try just removing the package |
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| 22:07.19 | ompaul | Kyle__: have you tried not running an xorg.conf |
| 22:07.34 | Kyle__ | steve464646: It wants to remove all the X drivers if I try that. |
| 22:07.35 | steve464646 | I don't think he has an xorg.conf |
| 22:07.43 | ompaul | just allow the machine to look after itself if you do have one |
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| 22:08.03 | steve464646 | chovy, why didn't you like gentoo |
| 22:08.09 | Kyle__ | ompaul: it only displays on the onboard intel, not on the second card then. If I make a stub in /usr/share/X11/whereveritis for the other card, it only displays on there. |
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| 22:08.25 | steve464646 | Kyle, you're using two graphics cards? |
| 22:08.30 | Tordek | is it possible to remap, as in this article: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/a-modern-space-cadet/, the ctrl key, so that tapping control is like tapping escape, but holding control+another key works like control? |
| 22:08.44 | Kyle__ | steve464646: Yes. |
| 22:08.45 | ompaul | Kyle__: to do that you mostly need them to be identical aiui but I could be corrected on that |
| 22:08.49 | chovy | steve464646: i liked it, but recompiling the kernel always took about a week to get everything working. |
| 22:08.50 | steve464646 | Are they nvidia? |
| 22:08.56 | steve464646 | the second* |
| 22:08.59 | chovy | it was constantly having to fix things |
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| 22:09.11 | Kyle__ | ompaul: I've been using multiple cards in X for >10 years. You don't need identical cards. |
| 22:09.27 | ompaul | Kyle__: and multiple working |
| 22:09.28 | steve464646 | chovy, yeah it breaks a lot, but they have .....I can't remember what it's called revdep-rebuild |
| 22:09.30 | steve464646 | and a couple of others |
| 22:09.33 | ompaul | wonders |
| 22:09.38 | steve464646 | that you basically have to use every time you emerge |
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| 22:09.46 | steve464646 | when i started doing that it fixed everything |
| 22:10.04 | steve464646 | Kyle, yeah that's no fun man, I wish I had more experience there |
| 22:10.17 | steve464646 | Multiple graphics cards has given me a lot of problems in the past |
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| 22:10.33 | ompaul | does this generate a good xorg for either? X -configure |
| 22:10.47 | chovy | i am much happier w/ debian |
| 22:10.53 | chovy | i don't have a lot of time these days |
| 22:11.06 | chovy | apt-get install and done |
| 22:11.07 | steve464646 | I love squeeze, testing is proving to not be as cool as i thought |
| 22:11.15 | Kyle__ | ompaul: No. It sees more screens than devices due to this desktop using a laptop graphics chip (intel), but only having one display attached to it. |
| 22:11.19 | chovy | is squeeze debian 6? |
| 22:11.20 | Kyle__ | Damn. I gotta go. |
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| 22:11.31 | steve464646 | yes chovy |
| 22:11.36 | chovy | i hate these code names, i can never remember which one i have |
| 22:11.37 | ompaul | Kyle__: this looks interesting and http://www.hydrus.org.uk/journal/dual-monitor.html maybe you can check it later |
| 22:11.47 | ompaul | chovy: yes |
| 22:11.49 | steve464646 | Does anyone think that the *main* Debian Desktop (Gnome*) and its accompanying software are more supported or receive more attention |
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| 22:12.05 | steve464646 | opposed to XFCE/lxde |
| 22:12.16 | mns | What is a good issue tracking system I can install and use on Debian ? I should be able to do things via email and the web. |
| 22:12.27 | ompaul | mns: request tracker |
| 22:12.31 | derric | Hallo, I was wondering if it was possible and if so how to start iptables before bring up my network interface. |
| 22:12.39 | chovy | is ubuntu ahead of debian in terms of latest packages? for example will ubuntu ever have a newer version of a package than debian has? |
| 22:12.50 | steve464646 | isn't iptables part of the kernel? |
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| 22:13.10 | steve464646 | choby, ubuntu is more up-to-date than <stable> |
| 22:13.13 | xand | steve464646: netfilter is. iptables is the userland program to control it. |
| 22:13.22 | steve464646 | but testing has newer packages than ubuntu |
| 22:13.23 | derric | steve464646: Yes, although you have to load rules and turn it on for it to be active. |
| 22:13.26 | ompaul | chovy: they take sid and freeze it and in a while then they have lts and lts will fall behind |
| 22:13.44 | ompaul | (high chance at least) |
| 22:14.07 | steve464646 | derric, other than manually bringing the interface online, I'm not sure |
| 22:14.11 | ompaul | chovy: however once they freeze for their release debian keeps moving (unless it's in freeze) |
| 22:14.21 | steve464646 | does debian have some kind of rc.conf we can use? |
| 22:14.28 | steve464646 | to specify what order to bring things up |
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| 22:15.24 | derric | steve464646: I tried to set required start parameters for networking to have the firewall start script I made to already be running before bringing up the interfaces, alhthough in the boot log networking still seems to be coming up before the firewall. |
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| 22:15.34 | chovy | ompaul: ok, i thought that was the case. |
| 22:15.37 | steve464646 | Just intuitively, I would imagine IPtables to be loaded before the interface, maybe looking at the startup logs |
| 22:15.44 | chovy | i just don't know why everybody uses ubuntu for a server |
| 22:15.47 | steve464646 | ahhh |
| 22:16.00 | steve464646 | chovy, 7 year support |
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| 22:16.01 | steve464646 | for one |
| 22:16.10 | steve464646 | or 5 or 10, whatever LTS is |
| 22:16.14 | chovy | what, like an 800 number? |
| 22:16.17 | chovy | what is LTS? |
| 22:16.22 | steve464646 | long term support |
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| 22:16.34 | chovy | isn't it just community supported? |
| 22:16.45 | steve464646 | no, it's sponsored by a large coroporation |
| 22:16.58 | steve464646 | Canonical |
| 22:16.59 | chovy | oh, i didn't realize that |
| 22:16.59 | ompaul | derric: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 22:17.17 | mns | ompaul: thanks |
| 22:17.26 | derric | Does IRSSI have a shell excape feature to get to the shell then return to chat? |
| 22:17.34 | steve464646 | the server install is kind of bloated but it's probably the best choice for a debian-type distro on a server |
| 22:17.38 | chovy | derric: ask in #irssi |
| 22:17.40 | steve464646 | if you just want something to run and get updates |
| 22:17.51 | chovy | i don't know of one |
| 22:17.51 | derric | ompaul: Yes, that's what I tried to do. |
| 22:17.53 | ompaul | can we leave the definitions of what ubuntu does to them (just for accuracy 5 years for lts server and 3 for lts desktop) |
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| 22:18.12 | derric | ompaul: I'll have a look at that link, thanks. |
| 22:18.29 | steve464646 | official ubuntu "we take someone else's work and make it slower" |
| 22:18.30 | chovy | i had my sister using ubuntu until mom sprung for a mac |
| 22:18.58 | chovy | i think it was good for desktop, worked pretty well out of the box |
| 22:19.06 | steve464646 | yeah it's good |
| 22:19.13 | Tom01 | What happens, if I put a different gfx card into the computer? |
| 22:19.29 | steve464646 | Tom, what type of card and what distro |
| 22:19.31 | steve464646 | err release |
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| 22:20.27 | ompaul | Tom01: as long as you didn't mess up the original install and the card is over a year old since its release you should be ok newer cards may have issues - and there are one or two which are totally rubbish but I can't remmeber offhand what they are |
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| 22:21.01 | ompaul | Tom01: so why don't you define the question with version numbers for software and cards |
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| 22:21.53 | Tom01 | Debian It is an old Radeon 7000 card. |
| 22:22.06 | steve464646 | Tom I imagine you will be fine |
| 22:22.08 | ompaul | Tom01: it should be ok |
| 22:22.33 | Tom01 | thanks |
| 22:22.41 | steve464646 | This is interesting, when i run <testing> with gnome shell in VirtualBox, Gnome shell relizes there isn't hardware acceleration and starts in some kind of "classic mode" |
| 22:22.42 | ompaul | yw |
| 22:22.53 | steve464646 | which looks a LOT like gnome2 |
| 22:23.23 | steve464646 | does anyone know if Wheezy will allow this alternative desktop (like in Ubuntu you can install/run "Gnome Classic" |
| 22:23.44 | steve464646 | It has 'applications' and 'places' weeeeeeeee |
| 22:24.12 | ompaul | steve464646: TIAS |
| 22:24.19 | steve464646 | mysterious acronym |
| 22:24.29 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 22:24.29 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 22:24.38 | steve464646 | Alright, will report back |
| 22:24.44 | steve464646 | This XFCE business is not working |
| 22:24.56 | ompaul | happily uses sid and kde |
| 22:25.07 | steve464646 | does it run smoothly? |
| 22:25.08 | ompaul | but I don't think it is for new users |
| 22:25.29 | ompaul | or people who don't know one end of debian from another - too easy to get it wrong |
| 22:25.40 | steve464646 | Yeah i'm like mildly intermediate |
| 22:25.40 | ompaul | mind you in saying that nothing has blown up on me in three years |
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| 22:25.49 | steve464646 | but some of the packages are just *not* working |
| 22:26.00 | ompaul | !not working |
| 22:26.00 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 22:26.21 | steve464646 | i already asked, nobody knew |
| 22:26.33 | steve464646 | Remmina and the XFCE reader = sitting on the couch |
| 22:26.40 | steve464646 | XFCE *pdf reader |
| 22:26.57 | steve464646 | !smart questions |
| 22:26.57 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 22:26.58 | ompaul | add in one of the others |
| 22:27.13 | ompaul | steve464646: you can /msg dpkg <keyword> |
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| 22:27.18 | ompaul | leave out <> |
| 22:27.23 | steve464646 | yeah i was just going to put....whatever the gnome document reader package is called..can't remember |
| 22:27.31 | ompaul | evince |
| 22:27.33 | steve464646 | but it has roughly 500,000 dependencies |
| 22:27.36 | steve464646 | right, evince |
| 22:27.41 | ompaul | its gnome |
| 22:27.46 | steve464646 | kind of defeats the purpose of not running gnome |
| 22:27.50 | ompaul | and .5 of a million |
| 22:27.58 | ompaul | is not exactly right |
| 22:28.04 | steve464646 | haha |
| 22:28.09 | steve464646 | ~200,000 |
| 22:28.14 | steve464646 | lib*everything |
| 22:28.15 | ompaul | still rubbish |
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| 22:28.38 | steve464646 | By the way I'm also a KDE fan, this is just for a netbook |
| 22:29.02 | ompaul | and when you run evince it will make the infrastructure it needs running |
| 22:29.20 | steve464646 | yeah i guess i just got accustomed to all the gnome software and really like it |
| 22:29.21 | ompaul | you could use ghostscript the original of the species |
| 22:29.53 | steve464646 | debian runs so much better on this little guy than any other kind of *full*-juice distros/desktops |
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| 22:30.59 | ompaul | steve464646: now you are confusing me - with pointless banter - you are a kde gnome using fan with a shady gnome past or some such |
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| 22:31.25 | steve464646 | i have a hardware-capable machine at work that I run Kubuntu on |
| 22:31.34 | steve464646 | LOVE kde |
| 22:31.40 | ompaul | that is soooo not debian |
| 22:31.47 | steve464646 | my netbook has been running squeeze with gnome2 |
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| 22:31.55 | steve464646 | LOVE it but the packages are older than moses |
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| 22:32.29 | steve464646 | now on a mission to find how to force this "compatibility mode" (gnome2) on a regular install (instead of virtual box) |
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| 22:32.54 | steve464646 | and *nothing* involving debian is ever pointless |
| 22:33.11 | ompaul | bad idea, gnome will leave that behind and where will you be then? move with it or against it but don't think that you will have that middle ground for ling |
| 22:33.17 | ompaul | long even |
| 22:33.37 | steve464646 | yeah I'm interested to see |
| 22:33.51 | steve464646 | I've used the full shell - it's easy enough to navigate |
| 22:34.00 | steve464646 | not at cool/robust as KDE for a desktop though |
| 22:34.15 | ashley_w | ugh, KDE |
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| 22:34.29 | ashley_w | granted, i haven't touched KDE in many many years |
| 22:34.36 | steve464646 | but i asked the other night and people said *no* gnome2 or anything similar will not be supported in wheezy |
| 22:34.41 | steve464646 | it looks like they were wrong |
| 22:34.58 | steve464646 | ashley, it's awesome |
| 22:35.05 | steve464646 | give it a try sometime if you have the hardware |
| 22:35.11 | xand | KDE is indeed horrid |
| 22:35.19 | steve464646 | digustingly customizable |
| 22:35.24 | ashley_w | i use just awesome wm on my main desktop (gentoo, currently) |
| 22:35.41 | ashley_w | and an awesome/gnome setup on my ubuntu work laptop |
| 22:35.43 | steve464646 | does awesome play nice with multi-monitor setups? |
| 22:35.59 | steve464646 | I also use awesome on a laptop (on top of squeeze) |
| 22:36.14 | ashley_w | using multiple monitors is why i switched to awesome |
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| 22:36.27 | steve464646 | is the config horrendous? |
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| 22:36.34 | ashley_w | it's lua :) |
| 22:36.53 | simonlnu | steve464646: `gome-session-fallback` |
| 22:37.00 | simonlnu | erm gnome* even |
| 22:37.16 | steve464646 | do you do the config in the awesome config(s) or is is X-stuff? |
| 22:37.22 | steve464646 | thanks simon, that's a package? |
| 22:37.28 | steve464646 | or a command |
| 22:37.28 | ashley_w | huh? |
| 22:37.36 | simonlnu | uses awesome too |
| 22:37.38 | ashley_w | it's lua, which is a language |
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| 22:37.49 | steve464646 | ashley, *where* did you configure awesome for two monitors |
| 22:37.53 | simonlnu | steve464646: it's both |
| 22:38.03 | steve464646 | i was typing to simon about what gnome-session-fallback is |
| 22:38.07 | ashley_w | i edit the config file |
| 22:38.17 | steve464646 | all i know about lua is they make ipad games with it |
| 22:38.18 | simonlnu | rc.lua |
| 22:38.32 | ashley_w | and my desktop has plenty of power :) |
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| 22:38.45 | steve464646 | simon, that's great news that there will be something gnome2-ish |
| 22:38.53 | steve464646 | i will make sure to let others know who ask |
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| 22:39.00 | simonlnu | steve464646: there's even XMPP servers built on it |
| 22:39.01 | steve464646 | i was misinformed the other night |
| 22:39.12 | steve464646 | built on lua? |
| 22:39.17 | steve464646 | is it a dialect of lisp? |
| 22:39.34 | simonlnu | steve464646: it's not a permanent solution (gnome-session-fallback), AFAIK |
| 22:39.37 | simonlnu | no |
| 22:40.05 | simonlnu | its own full-blown lang |
| 22:40.14 | steve464646 | yeah simon, i just *noticed* that in virtualbox it was falling back to something that looked like gnome2, because of 'no hardware accel' and i got excited |
| 22:40.25 | simonlnu | like lisp though, you can byte-compile the scripts |
| 22:40.46 | steve464646 | is it object-oriented? |
| 22:40.50 | simonlnu | please complete my full nick, i won't see it otherwise |
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| 22:41.06 | steve464646 | sorry simonlnu |
| 22:41.09 | simonlnu | you can do both, but it's fully oo iirc |
| 22:41.19 | simonlnu | functional, and oo |
| 22:41.33 | ashley_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_(programming_language)#Object-oriented_programming |
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| 22:42.21 | steve464646 | cool |
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| 22:42.31 | steve464646 | I will now port awesome window manager to the ipad |
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| 22:42.43 | steve464646 | :D |
| 22:42.49 | simonlnu | heh |
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| 22:43.19 | simonlnu | ashley_w: ah ty |
| 22:43.40 | steve464646 | simonlnu, are you using a terminal IRC client? |
| 22:43.47 | simonlnu | ok, my mistake heh |
| 22:43.51 | simonlnu | yes |
| 22:44.21 | steve464646 | any recommendations? |
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| 22:44.24 | steve464646 | I'm not an emacs user |
| 22:44.42 | steve464646 | but would like to get something light for the terdminal |
| 22:45.02 | simonlnu | irssi is very popular, and so is weechat |
| 22:45.13 | steve464646 | awesome, will check them out |
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| 22:46.10 | simonlnu | "heh heh, heh heh, he said terdminal" |
| 22:46.34 | steve464646 | it's more fun to call it that |
| 22:46.50 | simonlnu | steve464646: you probably won't have to do very much to get awesome working there |
| 22:46.51 | steve464646 | simonlnu, is this how I address one person? |
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| 22:47.11 | simonlnu | hunh? |
| 22:47.22 | steve464646 | or is it simonlnu : this |
| 22:47.34 | steve464646 | the irc command so that I show who i'm talkign to |
| 22:47.36 | steve464646 | talking* |
| 22:48.06 | simonlnu | whichever you like. your client should fill out it automatically. type some letters, foo<TAB> (called tab completion) |
| 22:48.22 | steve464646 | simonlnu, yeah it's putting a comma there |
| 22:48.31 | steve464646 | when you type to me it shows up red |
| 22:48.37 | steve464646 | (x-chat) |
| 22:48.42 | simonlnu | it's more the client side highlighting you're triggering, when you do that ;) |
| 22:48.50 | steve464646 | ah thanks |
| 22:49.09 | simonlnu | steve464646: ah yes. that should work in xchat too (though it's not on by default, IIRC) |
| 22:49.22 | steve464646 | and by the way thanks for not being a crusty grumpy person and being kind to my curiosity / possible ignorance |
| 22:50.08 | jmarsden | steve464646: the comma vs : is configurable in x-chat. Settings -> Preferences -> Interface -> Input box -> Nick completion suffix |
| 22:50.17 | simonlnu | np. most folks are like that here (nice). generally we only support debian-specific questions. ;) |
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| 22:50.29 | steve464646 | jmarsden: thanks |
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| 22:51.03 | jmarsden | steve464646: You're welcome. |
| 22:51.37 | steve464646 | simonlnu: Do you know if Debian has some kind of rc.conf (like Gentoo) to specify start-up happenings |
| 22:52.00 | steve464646 | Someone earlier said he couldn't get IPtables to load before his network interface (as per startup logs) |
| 22:52.05 | simonlnu | /etc/default is mostly the place (if i understand what rc.conf is) |
| 22:52.14 | simonlnu | ah. that's different |
| 22:52.41 | steve464646 | Yeah I thought IPtables rules would be loaded with the kernel way before any modules |
| 22:53.52 | simonlnu | iptables mgt. is reserved for the admin to take care of. iptables-persistent; ferm; shorewall; etc. |
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| 22:54.12 | simonlnu | but yes, they are, usually, right after the network comes up. |
| 22:54.13 | ompaul | steve464646: this is the answer http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 22:54.43 | steve464646 | aah init.d |
| 22:54.59 | ompaul | look again and carefully :) |
| 22:55.04 | steve464646 | haha oops |
| 22:55.09 | simonlnu | "Awesome, a window manager, is written partly in Lua, also using it as its configuration file format" |
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| 22:55.52 | steve464646 | ompaul: interesting, thanks |
| 22:56.12 | steve464646 | Okay I have a legitimate question now about Synaptic touchpads |
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| 22:56.48 | steve464646 | Is it better form to make a script to change some behavior $synclient foo(d) |
| 22:56.57 | steve464646 | or edit the xorg stuff |
| 22:57.27 | steve464646 | In this case to turn on tap-to-click |
| 22:57.36 | simonlnu | i suppose it depends o how often you're gonna change it ;) |
| 22:57.41 | simonlnu | on* |
| 22:57.46 | steve464646 | That's the only functionality I want to modify |
| 22:58.04 | steve464646 | So I didn't know if it would be overkill to make an xorg.conf when one doesn't already exist |
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| 23:00.16 | steve464646 | by the way just found the debian social channel where 90% of my text belongs |
| 23:00.23 | steve464646 | hope to see some of you bros there |
| 23:00.27 | steve464646 | thanks for all the help |
| 23:00.35 | steve464646 | you guys are pimps and animals and all that good stuff |
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| 23:07.41 | derric | I'm getting acpid client disconnect messages every time I switch virutal consols. How can I stop that? |
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