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| 00:03.26 | papabaerOS | Anyone having experience with vdr and cx88xx based cards? Since last security update on squeeze my vdr is broken and restarts all the time. vdr tells me that VideoStream is broken. |
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| 00:06.47 | papabaerOS | Is there an easy way to revert a bunch of security updates or do I need to do this manually via snapshot.d.o |
| 00:09.23 | nsadmin | you would restore from the backup you made because you realized at the time that downgrades are not supported at all, never will, and this decision was made very early in debian development since it was realized that to support going back would require about 2-4 times the work on the part of maintainers |
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| 00:10.03 | sney | but manually via snapshot may work in individual cases |
| 00:10.50 | papabaerOS | nsadmin: this would mean that security updates can break your system and you have to deal with that yourself? that does not sound good |
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| 00:11.34 | nsadmin | that's one of many things it means |
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| 00:12.26 | nsadmin | it's not that individual debian packages can't be downgraded, it's how simple the package is |
| 00:14.17 | nsadmin | example, if a package has a config file which may or may not be later altered, an upgrade to a version that uses a new config format might translate to the newer format. what's not supported in that case would be translating the config file back |
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| 00:15.35 | nkuttler | papabaerOS: security updates usually are just tiny patches.. so really nothing should change |
| 00:15.55 | papabaerOS | nkuttler: normally :-D |
| 00:16.30 | nkuttler | papabaerOS: try finding a bug introduced by a security update. good luck |
| 00:17.00 | nkuttler | papabaerOS: and just backup your /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you're that worried |
| 00:17.15 | nsadmin | if the bug is reproducable, that should be easier.... |
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| 00:17.24 | nkuttler | and a security update should never change a config file format or similar |
| 00:17.39 | nkuttler | s/should/will |
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| 00:18.10 | nkuttler | maybe some changes were introduced in the firefox upgrade mess.. but that's just user stuff.. |
| 00:18.14 | nsadmin | if that's the case, that would make the package trivial and downgrade would be possible\ |
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| 00:18.27 | nkuttler | !tell papabaerOS about policy |
| 00:19.32 | nkuttler | papabaerOS: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#break |
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| 00:26.16 | papabaerOS | nkuttler: thx, no findling out the problem... |
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| 00:40.58 | bookmark | hi |
| 00:41.10 | bookmark | can anyone tell me what happened to menu.lst for grub? |
| 00:41.24 | bookmark | it used to be in /boot/grub i beleive |
| 00:41.32 | dvs | bookmark: replaces by /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 00:41.40 | bookmark | ah thanks you |
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| 00:46.48 | noahfx | hi o/ I'm using debian sid , yesterday I upgrade the OS, after reboot I've got a message from udevd udevd[322] failed to create queue file: no such file or directory then after I started the X server my keyboard and mouse didn't work |
| 00:47.10 | noahfx | I have read the logs and I dont see anything strange |
| 00:47.31 | noahfx | and I dont know if it is a Xorg problem or udev |
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| 00:50.46 | witheld | test |
| 00:50.53 | witheld | Okay weird |
| 00:50.56 | witheld | Anyway, I |
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| 00:51.30 | witheld | 'm on a fresh install of debian, startx causes the screen to go blank and my entire system to lock up |
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| 00:53.45 | stew | noahfx: is /run mounted? |
| 00:54.09 | stew | witheld: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 00:54.21 | stew | witheld: which video driver are you using? |
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| 00:55.02 | fishcooker | is there any mechanism that apt will work with using the fastest repo? |
| 00:55.07 | noahfx | stew: I read the log and I didn't see anything weird |
| 00:55.10 | noahfx | Im |
| 00:55.30 | noahfx | using xserver-xorg-savage |
| 00:55.47 | stew | noahfx: those questions were for witheld |
| 00:56.00 | witheld | stew: there is a lot in Xorg.0.log , and I have no idea |
| 00:56.02 | stew | noahfx: the question for you was if /run is mounted |
| 00:56.11 | noahfx | oh sorry |
| 00:56.15 | stew | witheld: Xorg.0.log would tell you |
| 00:56.17 | noahfx | I'll see |
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| 00:56.35 | stew | witheld: how do you know the entire system is locked up? what have you tried? |
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| 00:57.13 | witheld | stew: numlock stops working and I can't switch virtual terminals |
| 00:57.19 | witheld | and the power button doesn't work |
| 00:58.16 | noahfx | stew: it should be mounted on tmpfs right? |
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| 00:58.28 | sexykilla | I provocative video and this is one of them. If you want more just go and click on advertising. I shall gain money by a single click and you are free ---->> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptETHEjaHZg&feature=related |
| 00:58.31 | sexykilla | hellooooooooo |
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| 00:59.10 | stew | noahfx: yes |
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| 01:00.23 | noahfx | stew: I'm comparing the output of mount between my 2 computers and the one that it's not working /run doesn't show up |
| 01:01.20 | noahfx | I only see tmpfs on /var/run ... |
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| 01:01.40 | stew | noahfx: then you base-files is old or at some point the base-files postinst failed |
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| 01:01.52 | stew | noahfx: (if base-filies is up to date, have a look at its postinst) |
| 01:02.17 | asciiker | Hello guys |
| 01:02.27 | asciiker | I need some help |
| 01:03.12 | asciiker | my SSH is broken on a debian squeeze machine, I can only see the file thru rescue mode. anything I can do do allow me back in the system? vnc is installed but not xterm or xwindows |
| 01:03.19 | noahfx | stew: which files should I fix ? |
| 01:03.43 | stew | noahfx: is it up to date? |
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| 01:03.53 | asciiker | stew: remember me? upgrade to squeeze went almost perfect, ssh broke down though |
| 01:04.04 | noahfx | stew: yes |
| 01:04.09 | stew | noahfx: did you read the postinst? |
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| 01:05.12 | fishcooker | i've question is the new laptop technology will automaticaly switch to ac plugged in after battery is fully charged? |
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| 01:06.26 | iluminator101 | i am trying to install a windows 7 kvm on debian, i keep getting drivers not found on install, i was told i need viostor.inf and or vfd a floppy drive, can someone point me the right direction |
| 01:08.52 | iluminator101 | also i have the viostor.inf driver but i cant load it, win 7 install cd does not see any of the linux file directory |
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| 01:10.09 | asciiker | can anyone tell me where I can see the log for sshd server please |
| 01:11.06 | LtL | asciiker: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 01:12.15 | asciiker | LtL: thank you, I mean the log so I can track down why ssh server is broken and won't start |
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| 01:12.27 | stew | asciiker: /var/log/auth.log |
| 01:12.32 | asciiker | thanks |
| 01:12.35 | stew | asciiker: what happens when you try to start it? |
| 01:12.43 | asciiker | I don't get any errors :( |
| 01:12.54 | stew | and it starts? and you can connect to it? |
| 01:13.01 | noahfx | stew: the postinst files that are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 01:13.04 | asciiker | stew: it does not |
| 01:13.10 | stew | noahfx: yes |
| 01:13.13 | asciiker | stew: I am in rescue boot cd mode |
| 01:13.19 | stew | asciiker: is openssh-server installed? |
| 01:13.28 | LtL | asciiker: tail -f /var/log/auth.log while you attempt to connect, see if it's recorded and any error. check to see sshd is running also. |
| 01:13.39 | asciiker | stew: it was after my aptitude upgrade |
| 01:13.41 | stew | LtL: its not running |
| 01:13.50 | stew | asciiker: is it at the time when you cannot start it |
| 01:14.08 | noahfx | stew: I don't now which one read, udev? |
| 01:14.13 | stew | noahfx: base-files |
| 01:14.25 | stew | asciiker: what version of the openssh-server package is currently installed? |
| 01:14.54 | noahfx | stew: thanks, sorry Im noob with this kind of problems |
| 01:15.00 | stew | noahfx: then don't run sid |
| 01:15.13 | asciiker | stew: while in rescue mode, I've mounted the hd, how can I tell my openssh server version from it' |
| 01:15.15 | asciiker | ? |
| 01:15.34 | stew | asciiker: "apt-cache policy openssh-server" will list it after "Installed: " |
| 01:15.43 | noahfx | stew: I've been using it about a year and it worked with no troubles |
| 01:16.00 | stew | noahfx: well, that luck will only get you so far |
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| 01:21.26 | funtapaz | Sendmail makes me want to scream. Is this common? |
| 01:22.25 | asciiker | stew: can I install anything while in rescue boot CD that will allow me to get back into the system? |
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| 01:25.01 | noahfx | stew: I read the postinst, and what I understand is that shouldn't be mounted /var/run instead /run |
| 01:25.14 | noahfx | and the output says that /var/run is mounted |
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| 01:27.35 | stew | asciiker: yes, sure |
| 01:27.53 | bardzusny | asciiker: are you chrooted to your system on hard drive? |
| 01:28.08 | stew | funtapaz: it used to be, but then everyone moved other things like postfix and exim and (unfortunately) qmail, so not many people actually worry about sendmail anymore |
| 01:28.36 | funtapaz | If I move on to postfix, will it play happily with PHP? |
| 01:28.47 | funtapaz | I really don't really care what I use at this point. |
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| 01:29.44 | stew | funtapaz: php should just be talking to /usr/sbin/sendmail (which is provided by every MTA, not just sendmail), or is talking directly via port 25 |
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| 01:30.40 | funtapaz | I hear postfix has a nice wizard that will make my experience much more pleasant, is this true? |
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| 01:31.21 | abrotman | wizard? |
| 01:31.56 | funtapaz | You know, those guys with wands. |
| 01:32.08 | stew | is that like the paper clip dude? |
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| 01:32.40 | funtapaz | I hear there was a wizard named BOB at some point. |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | "Hey, you look like you're trying to send mail to another SMTP server. Would you like to configure your system to receive mail or use a smarthost?" |
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| 01:33.45 | funtapaz | So generally speaking, nobody really bothers with sendmail anymore, and I should just aptitude install postfix? |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | postfix or exim generally .. qmail or sendmail if you have a need that only those can fill |
| 01:34.33 | Sav1or | funtapaz, aptitude install icedove* |
| 01:34.39 | iluminator101 | I am really confused about virtio driver and vfd drive, i just cant seem to get this kvm win7 install going |
| 01:34.49 | funtapaz | icedove? |
| 01:35.10 | Sav1or | funtapaz, thunderbird |
| 01:35.29 | funtapaz | Need's to play with mail() |
| 01:35.31 | Sav1or | just without the branding and all, like iceweasel |
| 01:35.40 | funtapaz | I don't think that's what I need. |
| 01:35.56 | Sav1or | funtapaz, sure it is, you just don't know it yet :) |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 01:36.37 | funtapaz | yay postfix |
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| 01:37.51 | ubuntu | so after a recent update, I'm having trouble booting. initramfs times out when waiting for the root device. |
| 01:38.12 | kallisti | so I'm in an Ubuntu liveCD. I've mounted my encrypted LVM partition, but boot is empty. |
| 01:38.26 | kallisti | I was going to play around with the boot parameters but now I'm not sure where they're supposed to be. |
| 01:38.52 | stew | kallisti: "mount /boot" ? |
| 01:38.55 | dvs | kallisti: kernel boot parameters are in /etc/default/grub |
| 01:39.08 | kallisti | boot isn't a seperate partition |
| 01:39.22 | kallisti | oh that's right |
| 01:39.24 | kallisti | okay thanks. |
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| 01:39.53 | kallisti | hm but I need to chroot to update-grub. I'm having shared library issues when attempting to chroot |
| 01:39.55 | stew | kallisti: so if /boot isn't a separate partition and / is mounted and /boot is empty, then someone deleted every file in /boot? seems unlikely |
| 01:40.09 | stew | kallisti: how do you know you are having shared library issued? |
| 01:40.13 | stew | issues* |
| 01:40.33 | kallisti | $ sudo chroot . |
| 01:40.33 | kallisti | /bin/bash: /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /bin/bash) |
| 01:40.48 | kallisti | I'm using 64-bit Ubuntu with 64-bit Debian binaries, so I'm not sure why it's looking for 32-bit glibc |
| 01:41.15 | stew | kallisti: what does "file ./bin/bash" return? |
| 01:41.54 | kallisti | er, no such file or directory. ah, I guess it's using the wrong one. |
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| 01:42.20 | kallisti | oh wait nevermind |
| 01:42.24 | kallisti | $ ./bin/bash |
| 01:42.25 | kallisti | bash: ./bin/bash: No such file or directory |
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| 01:42.39 | kallisti | so it's running bash but then it gives me that error |
| 01:43.09 | stew | kallisti: if ./bin/bash doesn't exist, lets agree that it's not being run |
| 01:43.13 | asciiker | stew: what can I put in a mounted hd that will work to allow remote access, this is a remote headless server |
| 01:43.18 | kallisti | stew: it does exist |
| 01:43.29 | stew | asciiker: most people use ssh |
| 01:43.38 | stew | kallisti: how do you know it exists? |
| 01:43.45 | asciiker | stew: yeah but it doesn't start |
| 01:43.52 | kallisti | stew: which form of proof will make you happiest? |
| 01:43.54 | kallisti | stat? |
| 01:44.02 | stew | asciiker: did you figure out what version is installed? |
| 01:44.26 | kallisti | stew: $ ls ./bin/bash |
| 01:44.27 | kallisti | ./bin/bash |
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| 01:44.41 | kallisti | notice how it says "bash:" |
| 01:44.44 | kallisti | at the beginning of the error message |
| 01:44.50 | asciiker | stew: it returns the ssh version of the rescue boot CD as expected, not the ssh server on the mounted hd .... |
| 01:45.03 | stew | oh, but file ins't installed on the rescue? |
| 01:45.14 | stew | kallisti: notice how you are running bash, then it says that? |
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| 01:45.26 | stew | kallisti: i mean, you are trying to run it in a bash shell |
| 01:45.49 | kallisti | stew: that doesn't explain why it's not running though |
| 01:45.55 | mivulf | http://pastebin.com/r0yibCgX anybody knows, how to resize lvm physical volume? I need to take out of lvm that 100gb |
| 01:46.01 | stew | kallisti: for instance when you run "./bin/somethingthatdoesntexist" it says "bash: ./bin/...." |
| 01:46.04 | asciiker | stew: rescue boot CD allows me to connect to the server and then mount the hd as a secondary drive. I can see and edit files but I am not in the OS |
| 01:46.09 | kallisti | stew: yes I see that now |
| 01:46.19 | stew | kallisti: the missing /lib32/libc.so.6 would explain it |
| 01:46.32 | kallisti | so is there any easier way to go about this? or do I need to chroot? |
| 01:46.35 | stew | err, the wrong one |
| 01:46.48 | kallisti | let me double-check that /boot actually isn't a seperate partition |
| 01:47.16 | stew | asciiker: so what command were you running to try to start ssh? |
| 01:47.49 | kallisti | stew: I believe I used the default installation process when I installed Debian, does that create a seperate /boot partition? |
| 01:48.01 | kallisti | it's not a logical volume in my LVM group. |
| 01:48.06 | kallisti | just root and swap. |
| 01:48.07 | stew | kallisti: it depends on what you tell it to do |
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| 01:48.33 | stew | kallisti: is /boot in fstab? |
| 01:49.23 | kallisti | no. however it says # /boot was on /dev/sda1 during installation |
| 01:50.30 | kallisti | ah okay. yes sda1 is /boot then |
| 01:50.40 | stew | kallisti: what does "strings ./bin/bash | head -1" return |
| 01:51.14 | kallisti | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 01:51.22 | stew | yeah, so that's 32 bit |
| 01:51.35 | kallisti | hm.. |
| 01:51.36 | stew | on 64 bit it would be /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 01:52.24 | stew | kallisti: what version of debian is this? |
| 01:52.54 | kallisti | 64-bit testing. I'm wondering if I accidentally nuked bin earlier when I was trying to set up chroot. I thought I moved everything back though. |
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| 01:55.58 | ubuntu | back. |
| 01:56.45 | kallisti | stew: so if that's the case I need to get a Debian install CD and repair a bunch of packages, right? |
| 01:56.58 | asciiker | stew: in the control panel I'm using I can try to restart services, it is there that I see no output from the command, I'm stuck now, vnc doesn't work and ssh also doesn't work. any other ideias?? |
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| 01:58.04 | stew | asciiker: how are you running the control panel? |
| 01:58.12 | stew | asciiker: what is this control panel? |
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| 01:58.39 | asciiker | stew: this is web and mail server, DirectAdmin works fine, sites are also up. just ssh is broken |
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| 01:59.02 | stew | asciiker: oh, i thought you had booted a rescue cd |
| 01:59.08 | asciiker | I did |
| 01:59.11 | asciiker | but since it didn't work |
| 01:59.14 | asciiker | I'm back |
| 01:59.19 | mivulf | I have physical volume on lvm. and free 100gb space within it. Can I resize that volume? |
| 01:59.21 | stew | asciiker: what didn't work about the rescue cd? |
| 01:59.40 | asciiker | stew: I tried to change the vnc xstartup to get a xterm |
| 01:59.46 | asciiker | stew: that was what didn't work |
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| 02:00.26 | asciiker | I mean, I created the /etc/init.d/vnc and did the synlink to rc2.d but it didn't start vbc |
| 02:00.27 | stew | asciiker: i really would like to know what version of openssh-server is installed. my guess is that the answer will be "none" |
| 02:00.28 | asciiker | vnc |
| 02:01.06 | stew | asciiker: i don't know if your "control panel" thing gives you any way to do that, or some way to run shell commands on your box. if not, we can do this from the rescue cd |
| 02:01.25 | asciiker | stew: I am not sure any is installed nor can I see if it is.. wasn't there a web shell that allowed you to access the system via http ? |
| 02:02.01 | asciiker | DirectAdmin does not have this unfortunately |
| 02:02.26 | stew | kallisti: if what is the case? |
| 02:02.39 | stew | kallisti: your guess is that you started doing a debootstrap that was installing stuff overtop of / ? |
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| 02:03.27 | kallisti | stew: no I was attempting to get a 32-bit Ubuntu disk I had lying around to chroot into my Debian disk by moving some directories around. but it looks like I accidentally overwrote my temporary placeholder for my 64-bit debian bin... |
| 02:03.31 | kallisti | somehow. |
| 02:03.48 | kallisti | so I need a Debian netinstall. |
| 02:03.58 | kallisti | to fix that. or is that even possible to fix? |
| 02:04.12 | kallisti | as far as I can tell the damage is just in /bin |
| 02:04.29 | mivulf | I have physical volume on lvm. and free 100gb space within it. Can I resize that pv to take out from lvm that free space? |
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| 02:06.41 | kallisti | stew: I'm pretty sure it should be possible to use a net-install rescue CD to fix this. What would be the easiest way to do that? As far as I'm aware, aptitude doesn't have a convenient "fix all broken packages" option |
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| 02:07.16 | stew | kallisti: "aptitude reinstall ~i" |
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| 02:07.22 | stew | kallisti: but I still do not understand what was done |
| 02:07.46 | stew | kallisti: so not knowing what is broken, i'm at a loss as to what to recommend to fix it |
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| 02:08.00 | asciiker | stew: can I enable telnet thu rescue mode on that OS ? |
| 02:08.18 | kallisti | stew: I couldn't use my 64-bit Debian environment with a 32-bit ubuntu liveCD kernel, so I attempted to move all of the 32-bit binaries and shared libs that I needed into new bins and libs to get chroot to work long enough to update-grub |
| 02:08.24 | stew | asciiker: i suppose, but why on earth would you want to use telnet instead of ssh? |
| 02:08.30 | kallisti | stew: but it looks like I just completely messed that up by accident. :P |
| 02:08.49 | kallisti | stew: what is ~i exactly? |
| 02:08.55 | stew | kallisti: installed packages |
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| 02:10.30 | asciiker | stew: I can't fix ssh since I don't know what's wrong with it nor can I reinstall ssh server from rescue CD |
| 02:11.06 | stew | asciiker: why can't you reinstall ssh server from the rescue CD? |
| 02:11.48 | stew | asciiker: why can't we first at least determine of ssh is installed |
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| 02:12.06 | stew | asciiker: and go on the assumption that if ssh is not installed, installing it will be a better option than installing telnet |
| 02:12.45 | kallisti | stew: is there anyway to make it skip non-broken packages? |
| 02:13.11 | asciiker | stew: I don't understand, I don't have shell access to the operating system |
| 02:13.32 | stew | asciiker: do you have shell access to the rescue cd? |
| 02:13.37 | asciiker | stew: only access to the mounted file system as secondary hd |
| 02:13.45 | stew | asciiker: that's close enough |
| 02:13.59 | asciiker | the rescue CD boots it's own OS, this is what I don't understand you saying |
| 02:14.02 | stew | asciiker: we can make that be shell access to the operating systm |
| 02:14.12 | stew | asciiker: you can chroot into your os from the rescue os |
| 02:14.12 | asciiker | stew: we can? |
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| 02:14.30 | asciiker | stew: really? this is great news than |
| 02:14.34 | asciiker | stew: how? |
| 02:14.35 | kallisti | stew: hm. I'll still need to chroot into my Debian partition though. so it should be sufficient to just copy the rescue CD bin into my on-disk Debian bin and then chroot into that for the reinstall |
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| 02:14.46 | stew | most likely (exactly what kallisti is currently trying to do, but he's manaaged to screw up his install much more thouroughly than you have so far) |
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| 02:15.27 | stew | asciiker: if your root directory is mounted in /target, run "chroot /target", then you are on a shell in your install |
| 02:15.45 | stew | kallisti: if you say so, sounds dicey |
| 02:15.51 | stew | kallisti: can you not just restore this from backup? |
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| 02:16.12 | asciiker | stew: this does not make much sense to me...... you're saying it will be like a shell on the actual mounted OS ? |
| 02:16.14 | kallisti | my backup external recently died. my luck is phenomenal. |
| 02:16.18 | stew | asciiker: yes |
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| 02:16.46 | kallisti | asciiker: chroot creates a sandbox that pretends that the directory you chose is root. |
| 02:16.57 | kallisti | it means "change root" |
| 02:17.00 | asciiker | stew: but how does the debian os get loaded? |
| 02:17.09 | stew | kallisti: you can tell aptitude to reinstall broken packages only, but it's idea of what a broken package is will differ from what yours is |
| 02:17.13 | kallisti | the OS as it was remains. it's just in a different environment |
| 02:17.29 | stew | kallisti: and I don't think you have a reasonable way of determining what packages are broken by your definition |
| 02:17.40 | kallisti | ah so "broken" as in "broken dependencies" |
| 02:17.41 | asciiker | thanks guys....... booting into rescue again |
| 02:17.50 | stew | right |
| 02:18.11 | stew | or perhaps "installed but not yet configured" or "unpacked but not yet installed" perhaps |
| 02:18.36 | asciiker | stew: I'm still confused, since the live rescue CD is freebsd, and I will be chrooting into a debian file system |
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| 02:18.43 | asciiker | stew: see my confusion? |
| 02:19.01 | asciiker | stew: don't understand how aptitude will work |
| 02:19.11 | kallisti | you'll likely need something more like Debian. |
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| 02:19.31 | kallisti | I'd recommend using a Debian rescue CD, which is what I'm currently downloading to fix my problem. |
| 02:20.01 | kallisti | but I don't know anything about freebsd. it may be similar enough to linux that what you need will continue to work. |
| 02:20.04 | stew | asciiker: freebsd? well we can verify what version of ssh is installed, but that is about it, we won't be able to fix it trivially |
| 02:20.07 | kallisti | but I doubt it. |
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| 02:20.08 | stew | kallisti: it won't be |
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| 02:21.20 | asciiker | I have 2 options for rescue.. FreeBSD Rescue or just Rescue |
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| 02:21.48 | stew | asciiker: what is "Rescue"? |
| 02:22.02 | asciiker | stew: as soon as it boots I'll answer that |
| 02:22.20 | nsadmin | asciiker, which kernel is in the installed debian? |
| 02:22.32 | nsadmin | linux? bsd? version? |
| 02:22.53 | asciiker | nsadmin: I upgraded to squeeze, I will let you know exactly |
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| 02:23.39 | nsadmin | if you just let it upgrade the kernel itself, it should be 2.6.32-something linux |
| 02:23.49 | asciiker | yes |
| 02:23.53 | asciiker | I remembered that much |
| 02:23.54 | nsadmin | did you install debian linux or debian bsd? |
| 02:24.01 | stew | he just upgraded from a mix of (maybe etch) + lenny + squeeze + wheezy to I don't know what |
| 02:24.04 | stew | nsadmin: linux |
| 02:24.08 | asciiker | 2.6.32 - 686 is right |
| 02:24.44 | asciiker | stew: it was a big mess, which may explain why openSSL died |
| 02:24.47 | stew | and ssh doesn't start, my guess is because ssh isn't installed |
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| 02:25.04 | asciiker | on of the aptitudes may have killed it |
| 02:25.06 | asciiker | one |
| 02:25.10 | prefixed | where can I set my server's DNS server? |
| 02:25.11 | nsadmin | ok, that's the "official" linux kernel for squeeze... |
| 02:25.22 | stew | prefixed: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:25.44 | prefixed | stew thanks buddy |
| 02:25.56 | nsadmin | prefixed, if you're doing a static IP, you could edit that file... |
| 02:26.14 | nsadmin | if not, your changes could get overwritten |
| 02:26.41 | asciiker | which php version comes with debian 6 anyway |
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| 02:26.52 | stew | judd: info php5 |
| 02:26.53 | judd | Package php5 (php, optional) in squeeze/i386: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). Version: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; Size: 1.0k; Installed: 20k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
| 02:27.21 | asciiker | squeeze is debian 5 right |
| 02:27.29 | nsadmin | no, 6 |
| 02:27.29 | stew | no, squeeze is 6 |
| 02:27.35 | stew | asciiker: lenny is 5 |
| 02:27.52 | asciiker | that's interesting |
| 02:28.00 | asciiker | but lenny lasted on a couple of months right |
| 02:28.05 | asciiker | only |
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| 02:28.20 | stew | !release history |
| 02:28.20 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 02:28.31 | stew | asciiker: so it was released in 2009 and was supported until 20012 |
| 02:28.33 | stew | 2012* |
| 02:28.49 | asciiker | I see |
| 02:28.59 | mivulf | I have 100gb free space on volume group (lvm). how can I take that 100gb out of volume group? |
| 02:29.02 | stew | (they are supported for one year following the subsequent release) |
| 02:29.20 | asciiker | I have 5 servers but this is the only debian |
| 02:29.20 | stew | mivulf: you want to remove a pv from a vg? |
| 02:29.21 | nsadmin | asciiker, still looks like you're running 6 (as per kernel), and, I'd be curious about your /etc/debian_version just to see if the upgrade was completed |
| 02:29.36 | asciiker | nsadmin: let's see |
| 02:29.37 | dvs | i've been messing with debian for 14 years?!? |
| 02:29.49 | mivulf | stew: I want to remove free space from vg. |
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| 02:29.56 | nsadmin | must be pretty messy by now :) |
| 02:30.11 | stew | mivulf: so you want your vg to have less free space |
| 02:30.11 | prefixed | hm |
| 02:30.24 | stew | mivulf: and you want to do this by separating one of the PVs? |
| 02:31.08 | mivulf | stew: ehm. I have 1 pv, and 1 vg within pv, and 6 lv within vg |
| 02:31.08 | prefixed | ok, so I have an OpenVPN server set up on my host, and am able to connect to it. Hoever, I get the following error when I try to use the internet: |
| 02:31.09 | prefixed | Error 118 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT): The operation timed out. |
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| 02:31.44 | asciiker | nsadmin: amazingly, my debian_version tells me: wheezy/sid |
| 02:31.48 | asciiker | :( |
| 02:32.10 | stew | asciiker: uh, that's not amazing at all, we determined that you partially upgraded to wheeze before starting to "fix" things |
| 02:32.11 | nsadmin | aha, I had a feeling we'd have something different in there... |
| 02:32.40 | asciiker | nsadmin: big mess, I'm trying the chroot |
| 02:33.00 | stew | asciiker: when you start with "etch + lenny + squeeze + wheezy" and "upgrade to squeeze", you are bound to end up with "squeeze + wheezy" |
| 02:33.03 | mivulf | stew: http://pastebin.com/HiY3CaM5 look at this please ) |
| 02:33.09 | nsadmin | asciiker, could you say something about what you want the result to be? |
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| 02:33.46 | asciiker | stew: chroot /target doesn't seem to work |
| 02:33.59 | nsadmin | do you want 5, 6, 7? |
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| 02:34.26 | stew | asciiker: be more specific... |
| 02:34.26 | nsadmin | try chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 02:34.41 | asciiker | stew: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory |
| 02:34.56 | mivulf | http://pastebin.com/HiY3CaM5 how to remove that 99,84 GB from lvm? anybody knows? |
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| 02:34.58 | asciiker | stew: I want to have a stable squeeze |
| 02:35.21 | stew | mivulf: you want pvresize then |
| 02:35.35 | mivulf | stew: why pvresize, not vgresize? |
| 02:35.38 | stew | asciiker: ah, then back up your data, reinstall from scratch, and start installing stuff back |
| 02:35.43 | nsadmin | a remove of a PV from a vg moves anything on the pv to the rest of the vg? |
| 02:35.57 | asciiker | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 02:36.14 | asciiker | I get this: root@sysresccd /adega/etc % chroot /adega /bin/bash sysresccd:/# |
| 02:36.35 | nsadmin | asciiker, welcome... still want to know what you want to end up with |
| 02:36.40 | mivulf | nsadmin: I need to install windows, but I can't do this on lvm - win can't see lvm volumes |
| 02:37.00 | asciiker | nsadmin: squeeze ofcourse |
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| 02:37.07 | stew | asciiker: what does "apt-cache policy openssh-server" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 02:37.10 | asciiker | nsadmin: this is production server althought it doesn't look like it |
| 02:37.19 | asciiker | stew: hold |
| 02:37.22 | stew | asciiker: then you should be reinstalling from scratch |
| 02:37.31 | nsadmin | asciiker, that could end up being a reinstall |
| 02:37.50 | asciiker | openssh-server: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2 Version table: 1:6.0p1-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2 0 500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org squeeze/main Packages |
| 02:38.00 | stew | !win stew |
| 02:38.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 02:38.07 | asciiker | lol |
| 02:38.08 | stew | asciiker: so its not starting because it is not installed |
| 02:38.11 | nsadmin | if you have stuff in /home (or anywhere), you'l want to back it up |
| 02:38.32 | stew | asciiker: which version of perl-base is installed? |
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| 02:38.36 | mivulf | stew: also, if I pvresize it, how to avoid files damage? |
| 02:38.37 | asciiker | nsadmin: the diagnose is reinstall,, must it be?? |
| 02:38.43 | nsadmin | HELP!! I'm being chased by a drop dead gorgeous carnival dancer!! |
| 02:39.35 | dvs | what a shame |
| 02:39.42 | entrailizor | hey |
| 02:39.44 | asciiker | stew: can I try to install it now? |
| 02:40.32 | nsadmin | asciiker, seems so... do you have stuff you want to keep? |
| 02:41.34 | asciiker | nsadmin: everything yes.., reinstall would take a lot if time, this server is mainly to run vmware server |
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| 02:41.44 | entrailizor | my grub files got deleted not I can't boot my debian partition |
| 02:41.50 | tq|Memphis | hi everyone, i just installed debian |
| 02:41.56 | asciiker | nsadmin: is it safe to do apt-get install openssh-server ? |
| 02:42.04 | tq|Memphis | i am not total newbie but pretty low lvl linux user |
| 02:42.15 | tq|Memphis | here is my problem, in participation setting |
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| 02:42.30 | tq|Memphis | i removed swap fields and installed deb to 50gb free space |
| 02:42.42 | tq|Memphis | before that i had windows7 on sata |
| 02:42.50 | tq|Memphis | now i lost connection with windows7 |
| 02:42.52 | tq|Memphis | in grub file |
| 02:43.07 | entrailizor | omg |
| 02:43.22 | tq|Memphis | it doesnt show windows7 aynmore however at the end of the installation debian said that there is windows vista also u want to add this to grub i said yess |
| 02:43.28 | nsadmin | asciiker, oh, that changes a few things... not too much, and more care needs to be applied since it's a remote |
| 02:43.50 | tq|Memphis | does windows have swap area? |
| 02:43.53 | tq|Memphis | did i remove that? |
| 02:44.12 | tq|Memphis | is it possible i didnt remove any NTFS filesystem |
| 02:45.33 | asciiker | nsadmin: I did a apt-get install openssh-server while chrooted |
| 02:46.01 | entrailizor | tq|Memphis, windows swap is on same partition unless you specified otherwise |
| 02:46.02 | asciiker | nsadmin: rebooting.... |
| 02:46.19 | nsadmin | oic |
| 02:46.28 | tq|Memphis | entrailizor, i checked grub.cfg there is no windows entry |
| 02:46.41 | tq|Memphis | entrailizor, if i add menuentry "Microsoft Windows" { |
| 02:46.41 | tq|Memphis | set root=(hd0,1) |
| 02:46.41 | tq|Memphis | chainloader +1 |
| 02:46.41 | tq|Memphis | } to grub that would do the job? |
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| 02:46.59 | tq|Memphis | oh sh1t kicked :p |
| 02:47.11 | tq|Memphis | did u get the message? |
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| 02:47.20 | entrailizor | looks like u cant type scripts |
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| 02:48.10 | nsadmin | so you need to get your data off before you reinstall |
| 02:48.22 | tq|Memphis | http://paste.debian.net/174211/ |
| 02:48.25 | entrailizor | tq|Memphis, is urs grub2 |
| 02:48.34 | tq|Memphis | grub2? |
| 02:48.52 | entrailizor | yeah or v1.99 |
| 02:48.57 | tq|Memphis | dont know that |
| 02:49.04 | tq|Memphis | i installed the latest ver 6.0.3 i guess |
| 02:49.10 | nsadmin | that's considered grub2 |
| 02:49.22 | entrailizor | should say on grub boot menu at top |
| 02:49.23 | tq|Memphis | ok how do i put windows on it? |
| 02:49.38 | tq|Memphis | confused -.- |
| 02:49.43 | LtL | tq|Memphis: os-prober |
| 02:49.48 | entrailizor | depends if its grub1 or grub2 |
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| 02:50.07 | tq|Memphis | ok i think i should use google |
| 02:50.12 | tq|Memphis | no idea about what is grub2 |
| 02:50.53 | asciiker | PEOPLE! :D |
| 02:51.11 | entrailizor | grub has failed me again |
| 02:51.13 | nsadmin | no one here but us chickens |
| 02:51.13 | asciiker | stew and nsadmin: you are the masters, I can login now as SSH server is back |
| 02:51.19 | asciiker | THANKS! |
| 02:51.40 | tq|Memphis | entrailizor, ok thats a new grub package and if i install it that would do the job? |
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| 02:52.05 | entrailizor | tq|Memphis, i would install that yes |
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| 02:52.36 | tq|Memphis | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 02:52.41 | tq|Memphis | ok i already have that |
| 02:53.05 | Jayrays | Is Debian supposed to take such a long time erasing data on a partition? I don't remember this being the case the first time I installed it. |
| 02:54.14 | stew | Jayrays: with the information you've given us so far, is there any possible way someone could give you a meaningful answer? |
| 02:54.27 | dvs | 42 green |
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| 02:55.05 | Jayrays | There's not really anymore information to give. I'm installing Debian, and while erasing data it's moving at about 1% per 10 minutes. |
| 02:55.12 | nsadmin | asciiker, I would make database dumps of all databases, and all web files and serverside scripts |
| 02:55.29 | stew | Jayrays: ok, then the answer is "possibly" |
| 02:55.46 | nkuttler | is mkfs called erasing data in the installer? |
| 02:56.01 | asciiker | nsadmin: you think I can expect crashes from this OS then |
| 02:56.09 | nkuttler | Jayrays: you're not using any hd encryption, are you? |
| 02:56.26 | tq|Memphis | ty all |
| 02:56.28 | nsadmin | I dunno how you arrange all that stuff, but you should back up everything very soon |
| 02:56.29 | tq|Memphis | <3 |
| 02:56.33 | Jayrays | nkuttler: no |
| 02:56.45 | nsadmin | you should back up before you do any further upgrading |
| 02:57.16 | socomm | test |
| 02:57.19 | asciiker | nsadmin. it all began with a perl install from source and then some tests with sources.list.... this was the result |
| 02:57.20 | nkuttler | Jayrays: how big is the hd/partition? do you hear any funny noises? rpm, etc.. |
| 02:57.48 | Jayrays | nkuttler: no, pretty silent. and 320gb is the overall size of the partition |
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| 02:58.00 | stew | nkuttler: there is an *optional step of filling the block devices with random data before using them |
| 02:58.18 | nkuttler | stew: oh. never used that |
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| 02:58.52 | Jayrays | I was prompted for no such thing |
| 02:58.54 | stew | nkuttler: i think it might only be for when you are doing encrypted lvm, but I'm not sure |
| 02:59.11 | nkuttler | stew: yeah, i've seen it for that |
| 02:59.27 | nkuttler | Jayrays: the output of dmesg could be interesting. are you sure the hd is good? |
| 02:59.48 | nkuttler | Jayrays: 320G shouldn't take 16h to mkfs |
| 02:59.55 | nsadmin | asciiker, ok, good enuf... you still need to back up, make dumps of your dbs and your web files... and all files you want to keep |
| 03:01.00 | asciiker | nsadmin: I see, thanks |
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| 03:01.32 | nsadmin | once you have everything you'd want to keep, you could either complete the upgrade to wheezy, or wipe and go back to squeeze |
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| 03:04.16 | nsadmin | asciiker, this will take awhile to get everything reestablished... one thing you could do is get a new separate vm with squeeze and just move stuff across, then swap IPs |
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| 03:05.19 | asciiker | nsadmin: I'm already planning the move to a VM ;) |
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| 03:05.37 | nsadmin | asciiker, finally, once you back up, you can go in any direction you want |
| 03:05.55 | stew | Jayrays: did you actually intend to be setting up an encrypted partition? |
| 03:06.21 | asciiker | nsadmin: I just don't know why you make it sound so destructive, in my thinking I can downgrade any wheezy to squeeze and in theory all would be well |
| 03:06.33 | asciiker | nsadmin: following the advice nonetheless |
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| 03:07.09 | Jayrays | stew: I cancelled and started setting up an encrypted partition, it doesn't seem to have changed much though. |
| 03:07.11 | nsadmin | the only part that's going to be hard is downgrade |
| 03:07.51 | asciiker | nsadmin: with the help from stew I was able to downgrade perl from 5.14 to 5.10 |
| 03:07.59 | stew | Jayrays: you can cancel erasing if you want to skip it |
| 03:08.00 | asciiker | nsadmin: not that much fun... |
| 03:08.17 | stew | asciiker: not help from me. that's not something i'd do |
| 03:08.21 | nsadmin | asciiker, so you installed perl from packages? that sounds good |
| 03:09.03 | asciiker | stew: yes, you advised against it.... .I meant you helped me figure out what the problem was in the first place |
| 03:09.11 | stew | !dbugs 611196 |
| 03:09.15 | dpkg | #611196:W[partman-crypto] debian-installer: Make "Erasing data" step optional (); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:15:02 UTC [] |
| 03:09.41 | nsadmin | so the reason I'm being so cautious is I don't want to see you lose data you don't want to lose... if you say "there is none", then you have even more freedom and can immediately do whatever you want |
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| 03:10.38 | stew | asciiker: the problem with downgrading is that the upgrade scripts are only written with upgrading in mind. if an upgrade script changes the on-disk format of something (like a config file, or a database file) there is little chance that downgrading the package will downgrade the on-disk format |
| 03:11.20 | asciiker | stew: I know.... but I guess I got lucky.... all services are up |
| 03:12.36 | nsadmin | asciiker, which is also why I keep harping on making database dumps of all dbs on the machine |
| 03:14.07 | asciiker | as a good sys admin, hopefully, (for more than 13 years) I have daily backups on a remote location. this is not a problem |
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| 03:14.44 | asciiker | my decision now is just to keep debian or switch to centOS, this is because every other server I manage is centOS 5 |
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| 03:15.40 | nsadmin | great :) (you didn't say that before, and the problem presented by crashing OS is much less influential) |
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| 03:15.54 | asciiker | maybe you can help me with that.... is Debian lighter on HW resources than CentOS5 or a minimal install of both will give me the same result ? |
| 03:16.10 | nsadmin | asciiker, I'd say go with what you know |
| 03:16.22 | nsadmin | that is, if it serves you |
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| 03:16.44 | asciiker | I have a special relation with debian because it was my gateway from windows servers to the linux world |
| 03:17.00 | nsadmin | very cool :) |
| 03:17.38 | asciiker | yes, debian is awsome alright, although centOS does feel more admin friendly |
| 03:17.39 | nsadmin | I dunno what I could say. especially, I can't compare hardware support or performance at all |
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| 03:18.09 | nsadmin | asciiker, have a debian vm to play with :) |
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| 03:18.37 | nsadmin | for the work stuff I'd go with sentos only because you have extensive exp with it |
| 03:18.48 | Sav1or | I for one, welcome our new elder god overlords |
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| 03:19.16 | nsadmin | we have elder god overlards?! |
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| 03:19.27 | dvs | stands up |
| 03:20.27 | drinkycrow | anyone here have experience with novell? |
| 03:21.55 | stew | I installed netware 2.1 on two different networks |
| 03:22.16 | stew | but that was in the 80s |
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| 03:22.38 | asciiker | stew: oh my, I told I was an old fart |
| 03:22.51 | asciiker | was told |
| 03:23.21 | nsadmin | very brief exp w/ netware 3 and 5, but nothing I remember |
| 03:23.21 | asciiker | in the 80s I was playing gorilla on GW Basic |
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| 03:23.51 | mivulf | stew: I lost 100gb after "lvm pvresize /dev/sda5 --setphysicalvolumesize 366G". Can't find it on lvm "display" commands. but parted still tells that its on lvm |
| 03:24.24 | stew | mivulf: yes, that is expected. now you should be able to safely shrink the partition that contains the pv. but BE CAREFUL |
| 03:24.38 | mivulf | stew: which command do you mean? |
| 03:24.42 | drinkycrow | tbh, stew, i was just looking to ofer condolensces |
| 03:24.44 | nsadmin | mivulf, look at pvscan and vgscan |
| 03:24.46 | asciiker | anyone following the European Cup ? |
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| 03:24.55 | nsadmin | why? is it moving? |
| 03:25.49 | mivulf | nsadmin: pvscan also tells, that he doesn't know anything about that 100gb |
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| 03:26.26 | nsadmin | mivulf, so your pv is the same size as it was? |
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| 03:26.39 | mivulf | nsadmin: no. its reduced |
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| 03:27.14 | mivulf | and how to find, on which partition is dat pv? |
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| 03:28.16 | LittleFoot | gaize |
| 03:28.19 | LittleFoot | i lost sound |
| 03:28.21 | LittleFoot | wth |
| 03:28.31 | LittleFoot | wa hapened to the lil speaker icon |
| 03:28.32 | nsadmin | mivulf, and the partition the pv is in is also reduced? |
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| 03:29.32 | mivulf | nsadmin: how to know that? |
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| 03:32.52 | mivulf | nsadmin: "mivulf, and the partition the pv is in is also reduced?" how to know that? |
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| 03:34.07 | tq|Memphis | a |
| 03:34.25 | stew | mivulf: no, it would not be reduced, but now you can safely reduce it yourself if you are careful |
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| 03:35.36 | prefixed | any idea as to what "Destination Port Unreachable" means? (openvpn server) |
| 03:36.38 | LittleFoot | ok vimed /etc/asound.conf |
| 03:36.42 | LittleFoot | sound fixed |
| 03:36.44 | LittleFoot | :DDDDDDDDDDD |
| 03:36.51 | LittleFoot | im jenious |
| 03:36.54 | mivulf | stew: how can I reduce partition? its about lvm or already about Parted? |
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| 03:37.38 | nsadmin | aym jenious aht speling two! |
| 03:37.41 | un214 | !cross |
| 03:37.57 | un214 | how do I install cross compilers? |
| 03:38.08 | stew | mivulf: what type of partition table is it? msdos? |
| 03:38.14 | un214 | obvious google searches yield nothing useful |
| 03:38.30 | mivulf | stew: yes. |
| 03:38.58 | stew | prefixed: someone sent you an ICMP Port Unreachable packet in reply to one of your TCP or UDP packets |
| 03:39.20 | stew | mivulf: you can use fdisk to delete the partition and create a new one with the same starting location but shorter size |
| 03:39.24 | stew | mivulf: just be careful |
| 03:39.32 | prefixed | stew google did. what does that mean in laymans terms though? |
| 03:39.47 | prefixed | and does it have something to do with this: reject-with icmp-port-unreachable |
| 03:39.58 | prefixed | (one of my IPTABLES rules) |
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| 03:40.07 | mivulf | stew: wait. I can't. when I load from livecd gparted, it tells, that this 100gb yet on lvm (protected) |
| 03:40.40 | mivulf | stew: When I delete partition table, all files deletes? |
| 03:41.26 | stew | prefixed: you said "hey i'd like to go to this apartment building and enter apartment number 3, you don't remember what happened to that, but you woke up in the hospital later with a note on your forehead saying "you aren't allowed in apartment number 3" |
| 03:41.56 | stew | prefixed: icmp-port-unreachable is the packet you received, yes |
| 03:42.05 | prefixed | hm |
| 03:42.44 | prefixed | ok, so it sounds like I've incorrectly set up an IPTABLES rule to automatically reject certain requests, right? |
| 03:43.07 | Diopter | prefixed: Maybe. Why don't you pastebin "iptables-save" |
| 03:43.44 | LittleFoot | umm |
| 03:43.51 | prefixed | Diopter where is iptables-save located? |
| 03:44.07 | LittleFoot | is kurnel 3.2.0 bpo.1 good |
| 03:44.13 | LittleFoot | i mean latest |
| 03:44.22 | stew | mivulf: no, the partition table is just a map of where to look for stuff on the drive, you are going to redraw some of the borders on the map |
| 03:44.31 | Diopter | prefixed: It's a program you run. |
| 03:44.35 | stew | mivulf: you should save a copy of fdisk -l before you start |
| 03:44.47 | prefixed | Diopter and stew http://pastebin.com/qEhX957G |
| 03:44.48 | stew | prefixed: in /sbin |
| 03:44.53 | Diopter | stew: So we meet again. Discussing moving partitions again, no less! |
| 03:44.55 | prefixed | iptables-save |
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| 03:45.28 | Diopter | prefixed: That's totally not iptables-save, but the default filter table is probably sufficient here. |
| 03:45.56 | Diopter | prefixed: Is this machine just routing traffic through it, or does it host the openvpn server? |
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| 03:46.21 | prefixed | Diopter here is the iptables-save file: http://pastebin.com/DNu8v0yu |
| 03:46.30 | prefixed | this is the openVPN host server |
| 03:46.50 | Diopter | prefixed: So when you try to connect to this machine using an openVPN client, the client gets the ICMP unreachable? |
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| 03:47.50 | prefixed | yes |
| 03:48.02 | prefixed | I just deleted the rule that specified that though |
| 03:48.08 | Diopter | prefixed: Also, what you just pasted from iptables-save doesn't match what you pasted from iptables -L... |
| 03:48.12 | stew | uh, the rules changed? |
| 03:48.14 | Diopter | Ah. That helps |
| 03:48.15 | mivulf | when old partition table has nuked, it erased all files? |
| 03:48.16 | Diopter | lol |
| 03:48.25 | prefixed | Diopter yes, sorry about that |
| 03:48.45 | prefixed | Diopter wait, iptables -L doesn't match the iptables-save output? that's odd |
| 03:48.47 | Diopter | prefixed: S'all good. So are you still getting unreachables on your client? |
| 03:49.02 | Diopter | prefixed: The part that didn't match was the rule you removed :P |
| 03:49.09 | prefixed | Diopter no, but ping requests to google are timing out |
| 03:49.13 | prefixed | so, there's that problem |
| 03:49.31 | Diopter | prefixed: Pastebin me the output of "ip a" and "ip r" |
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| 03:50.15 | Diopter | Your default chain policies are all ACCEPT, and you now have no REJECT fules, which means either your POSTROUTING MASQUERADES are wrong, or your interfaces/IPs/routes are wrong. |
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| 03:51.02 | prefixed | Diopter http://pastebin.com/QMtXpMBy |
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| 03:51.17 | prefixed | ok |
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| 03:51.54 | Diopter | prefixed: Cool. So you have eth0 with a public IP and the default route to your gateway in that subnet, plus your tunnel |
| 03:52.06 | prefixed | yes |
| 03:52.13 | nsadmin | REJECTed fules... sad... |
| 03:52.16 | Diopter | prefixed: Out of curiosity, are you trying to use the openVPN client on the openVPN server to connect to itself? |
| 03:52.27 | prefixed | Diopter no |
| 03:52.28 | Diopter | nsadmin: Even fules need some rejection sometimes. |
| 03:53.00 | nsadmin | or, can consider: there is no such thing as rejection (or attraction) |
| 03:53.26 | prefixed | this should be working now, right? |
| 03:53.38 | Diopter | prefixed: Ok, so your tun0 vif is connected to a remote endpoint, and you have interface routes and an IP on it |
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| 03:53.55 | Diopter | prefixed: You said you can't ping google; if you ping 8.8.8.8 from this box, what happens? |
| 03:53.56 | prefixed | yes |
| 03:54.06 | prefixed | which box |
| 03:54.10 | prefixed | the serve ror client? |
| 03:54.12 | prefixed | *or |
| 03:54.15 | prefixed | err |
| 03:54.18 | Diopter | prefixed: The server. |
| 03:54.19 | prefixed | you know what I mean |
| 03:54.43 | prefixed | the server can respove DNS lookups |
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| 03:55.00 | prefixed | i use google's nameserver |
| 03:55.02 | Diopter | prefixed: Which one couldn't ping before? |
| 03:55.09 | prefixed | the client can't ping |
| 03:55.20 | Diopter | Aha. |
| 03:55.28 | prefixed | I can't shoot any http traffic through the client |
| 03:55.30 | Diopter | prefixed: Do you have ip forwarding enabled? |
| 03:55.35 | prefixed | yes |
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| 03:55.52 | prefixed | the line in sysctl.conf, right? |
| 03:56.00 | prefixed | I enabled ipv4 and v6 to be safe |
| 03:56.30 | Diopter | Yes, but if you haven't rebooted/loaded the file since you changed it, you'll still need to enable it |
| 03:56.39 | prefixed | ok |
| 03:56.46 | prefixed | the ipv4 line was already uncommented |
| 03:56.53 | prefixed | so this should be working |
| 03:56.54 | Diopter | I.e., sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 03:57.17 | Diopter | Can your client ping the other end of the tunnel? |
| 03:57.31 | Diopter | 172.17.0.1, from 172.17.0.2 |
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| 03:57.51 | prefixed | sec |
| 03:58.34 | prefixed | hm |
| 03:59.13 | Diopter | Shouldn't be anything too crazy to test, what's the hm about? |
| 03:59.21 | prefixed | well, I can hit .1 from the server and client |
| 03:59.26 | prefixed | I cannot hit .2 from either |
| 03:59.57 | Diopter | Neat. ip a; ip r on the client :P |
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| 04:00.20 | prefixed | :( |
| 04:00.25 | prefixed | client is windows |
| 04:00.28 | prefixed | 7 |
| 04:00.42 | Diopter | Ah. Neat. Um... ipconfig /a |
| 04:01.14 | prefixed | a = all, right? |
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| 04:01.35 | Diopter | Ayarp, should be |
| 04:01.39 | krisfremen | people've never heard of shortcuts |
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| 04:02.40 | prefixed | Diopter here is /all http://pastebin.com/e74gkajw |
| 04:02.51 | prefixed | what does the "r" option stand for? |
| 04:03.10 | mivulf | if I nuke old disc partition, and create new, that erases all files? |
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| 04:03.39 | Diopter | prefixed: That was for linux. To show the routing table. The Windows equivalent should be "route print", iirc |
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| 04:04.39 | prefixed | Diopter here you go: http://pastebin.com/YFJcBq8H |
| 04:05.26 | Diopter | prefixed: Yeah, I don't see the tunnel on there at all. Just a 192.168.11.3/24 on the wireless interface |
| 04:06.22 | Diopter | Not real familiar with whether that's normal or not for Windows with tunnels. |
| 04:06.27 | prefixed | hm |
| 04:06.33 | prefixed | well, the tunnel wasn't enabled |
| 04:06.34 | prefixed | one sec |
| 04:06.51 | Diopter | That'd kind of be important for pinging the tunnel endpoints from both sides :P |
| 04:07.52 | prefixed | yeah, I had the tunnel up before and neither end could reach .2 |
| 04:08.21 | Diopter | Strange. |
| 04:08.46 | Diopter | Afk for a while, good luck. In theory, I'd expect ipconfig/route to show routes for your tunnel subnet/IP |
| 04:08.51 | prefixed | here it is with the turrnel up dokma http://pastebin.com/uUuQSDNK |
| 04:08.56 | prefixed | Diopter |
| 04:08.57 | prefixed | oh |
| 04:09.02 | prefixed | ok, well thanks anyway! |
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| 04:43.14 | kallisti | so I downloaded a liveCD from here http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 04:43.29 | kallisti | but I'm kind of confused. am I supposed to create an image out of the directory in the tarball? |
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| 04:50.21 | LtL | kallisti: I haven't worked with live cd's but didn't you d/l an .iso image? not a tarfile |
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| 04:50.39 | kallisti | LtL: no if you look at the netinst it's a tar |
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| 04:51.16 | stew | netinst of a liveCD? that doesn't make sense |
| 04:51.29 | stew | kallisti: do you mean netboot? |
| 04:51.35 | stew | kallisti: netboot is for PXE |
| 04:52.08 | kallisti | yes, and I don't know what that is. |
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| 04:53.00 | kallisti | oh I see. |
| 04:53.07 | kallisti | I guess I'll burn another CD.. |
| 04:53.11 | LtL | kallisti: you don't likely wanna PXE boot, do you want a live cd or a regular install image |
| 04:53.40 | stew | kallisti: note that these isos work on usb keys as well |
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| 05:13.41 | mivulf | Warning: Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. also same warning for all partitions |
| 05:13.44 | mivulf | how to repair it? |
| 05:17.24 | jagginess | mivulf, that's fine.. it's a benign issue.. there's actually nothing wrong with that (there's articles on the net about this) |
| 05:18.41 | mivulf | jagginess: sarcasm? on the net they scream that kill my hard drive |
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| 05:21.59 | PrinceAMD | hi guys is there a repository with newer kernel 3.3.6> |
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| 05:28.28 | chalcedony | i untarred docuwiki from it's website, but none of the files are showing - i'm on squeeze, does anyone know if there is more to do first? |
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| 05:29.22 | theseb | how make this work in sh script?.. |
| 05:29.24 | theseb | $DIR="a b" |
| 05:29.24 | theseb | ls "$DIR" |
| 05:31.32 | prince_jammys | /join #bash , use an array. |
| 05:32.02 | LtL | chalcedony: did you use tar -zxvf |
| 05:32.18 | prince_jammys | theseb: err, ok, since you said 'sh' and not bash, ls $DIR with no quotes. |
| 05:33.04 | prince_jammys | bash (better): dirs=(a b); ls "${dirs[@]}" # works when invidual dirs contain whitespace or globbing chars. |
| 05:33.40 | prince_jammys | ... UNLESS you actuall meant that "a b" is the name of *one* directory. |
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| 05:34.43 | chalcedony | LtL, yes |
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| 05:35.20 | LtL | chalcedony: it extracted for me |
| 05:35.40 | theseb | prince_jammys: YES! "a b" is ONE directory |
| 05:35.41 | chalcedony | i think it did.. lots of files ending in dokuwiki-2012-01-25a/README |
| 05:35.41 | chalcedony | dokuwiki-2012-01-25a/.htaccess.dist |
| 05:35.43 | theseb | that is the problem |
| 05:35.55 | prince_jammys | theseb: then you had it right to begin with. |
| 05:36.20 | prince_jammys | theseb: oooooh, no $ in the assignment, it ain't perl/php. |
| 05:36.35 | theseb | prince_jammys: yup...the $ was the problem...thanks! |
| 05:36.37 | prince_jammys | DIR="a b" # no dollar. use lowercase. |
| 05:36.43 | prince_jammys | avoid varnames like DIR |
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| 05:37.12 | prince_jammys | save uppercase for variables to export, else you end up doing something a la PATH=foo |
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| 05:37.26 | theseb | prince_jammys: ah...lol...i was using caps because all scripts i saw used caps! :) |
| 05:37.35 | prince_jammys | theseb: ignore them :) |
| 05:37.56 | prince_jammys | use uppercase for special variables like EDITOR, PATH, etc. or for bash-special vars like BASH_VERSION |
| 05:38.06 | theseb | prince_jammys: i thought caps meant..."hey this is a constant" |
| 05:38.29 | theseb | prince_jammys: well see now you are making it grey since "special" is ambiguous |
| 05:39.06 | prince_jammys | meh, not in bash. Typically, uppercase for special variables and variables to be placed in the environment because other programs check their values. |
| 05:39.10 | LtL | chalcedony: the dir is dokuwiki-2012-01-25a 4642 files |
| 05:39.21 | prince_jammys | special as in "assigned automatically by the shell", such as $HOME |
| 05:39.30 | LtL | chalcedony: what dont you see |
| 05:40.10 | prince_jammys | theseb: when you use uppercase, you risk accidentally stomping on one of those, which can have bad results. |
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| 05:40.20 | theseb | yea |
| 05:40.30 | theseb | thanks again for all your help |
| 05:40.33 | prince_jammys | SECONDS=14; sleep 4; echo $SECONDS |
| 05:40.33 | chalcedony | LtL, @Marcus:~/dokuwiki-2012-01-25a$ ls -l |
| 05:40.34 | chalcedony | total 96 |
| 05:40.52 | chalcedony | does that look ok? |
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| 05:41.04 | prince_jammys | theseb: welcome. |
| 05:41.20 | LtL | chalcedony: try ls -R dokuwiki-2012-01-25a/ |
| 05:42.07 | LtL | chalcedony: or better ls -R dokuwiki-2012-01-25a | wc -l |
| 05:42.13 | chalcedony | LtL, that certainly gave me a lot of packages |
| 05:42.21 | alfplayer | prince_jammys: cool, the sleep thing is not on the man page |
| 05:42.22 | LtL | files |
| 05:42.25 | chalcedony | yes |
| 05:42.36 | LtL | chalcedony: you're god to go |
| 05:42.37 | prince_jammys | alfplayer: man bash, SECONDS variable. |
| 05:42.44 | LtL | *good |
| 05:42.47 | prince_jammys | alfplayer: it ain't a sleep thing, it's a bash thing |
| 05:42.52 | chalcedony | LtL, 4638 |
| 05:43.15 | prince_jammys | (exec'ing sleep wouldn't be able to modify your local environment) |
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| 05:43.36 | alfplayer | right... |
| 05:43.38 | alfplayer | I get it now |
| 05:44.25 | prince_jammys | alfplayer: every once in a while someone comes into #bash completely confused after assigning to a variable they named 'SECONDS' :) |
| 05:44.39 | alfplayer | ha! |
| 05:44.51 | LtL | chalcedony: strange, ls -Ra |wc -l should give you 5574 |
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| 05:45.09 | chalcedony | LtL, oh |
| 05:45.17 | chalcedony | LtL, hmmmm |
| 05:45.51 | LtL | chalcedony: unless we are getting different archives? |
| 05:46.05 | chalcedony | hmm |
| 05:46.09 | LtL | chalcedony: what site was that |
| 05:46.13 | chalcedony | i went back to home and typed the command |
| 05:46.25 | alfplayer | prince_jammys: I've written some bash scripts, I think I've only read that section once or twice |
| 05:46.45 | LtL | chalcedony: i got the file here, http://www.splitbrain.org/projects/dokuwiki |
| 05:46.50 | chalcedony | http://www.splitbrain.org/projects/dokuwiki |
| 05:46.56 | chalcedony | same |
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| 05:47.09 | LtL | oddness |
| 05:47.29 | chalcedony | LtL, i was not root |
| 05:47.34 | chalcedony | did i need to be? |
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| 05:47.56 | LtL | no |
| 05:48.01 | chalcedony | ok |
| 05:48.56 | LtL | chalcedony: this file: http://www.splitbrain.org/_media/projects/dokuwiki/dokuwiki-2012-01-25a.tgz |
| 05:49.37 | LtL | chalcedony: when did you d/l it? look at the changelog |
| 05:49.48 | chalcedony | downloaded about 2 hours ago |
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| 05:50.12 | LtL | chalcedony: rm -rf that dir and try again. |
| 05:50.20 | chalcedony | dokuwiki-2012-01-25a.tgz |
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| 05:51.33 | LtL | chalcedony: they have no checksums so i dunno |
| 05:51.34 | chalcedony | LtL, exactly how is rm -rf supposed to look? |
| 05:52.57 | LtL | chalcedony: rm -rf dokuwiki-2012-01-25a/ ..be careful you're in the parent dir, use tab completion to be sure |
| 05:53.28 | LtL | chalcedony: that will remove the entire dir |
| 05:54.34 | chalcedony | http://pastebin.com/m83vjDUV |
| 05:55.29 | chalcedony | LtL, that's ls |
| 05:55.39 | chalcedony | just checking if i have the right files |
| 05:57.07 | LtL | chalcedony: that looks correct |
| 05:57.33 | chalcedony | ok |
| 05:57.53 | LtL | chalcedony: its the wc -l count that perplexes me. |
| 05:58.21 | chalcedony | yes |
| 05:58.34 | LtL | chalcedony: you on debian |
| 05:58.43 | chalcedony | LtL, debian squeeze |
| 05:58.59 | LtL | hrm, well see if it works. |
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| 06:00.25 | chalcedony | LtL, i'm not sure if it works, not sure how to enable it |
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| 06:01.13 | LtL | chalcedony: cd dokuwiki-2012-01-25a/ ; cat README |
| 06:01.36 | nsadmin | LtL, wc counts lines, chars and words |
| 06:01.44 | nsadmin | -l says just lines |
| 06:01.56 | chalcedony | ~$ cd dokuwiki-2012-01-25a/ ; cat README |
| 06:01.57 | chalcedony | All documentation for DokuWiki is available online - etc |
| 06:02.16 | LtL | nsadmin: Yes, but our line count should match, yes? |
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| 06:02.42 | nsadmin | not sure... each should pastebin without wc -l to see what's up |
| 06:03.06 | LtL | nsadmin: good idea |
| 06:04.15 | chalcedony | ah |
| 06:04.25 | chalcedony | LtL, do you know pastebinit ? |
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| 06:04.47 | nsadmin | please no pastebin.com :) |
| 06:05.10 | chalcedony | nsadmin, what do you use? |
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| 06:05.30 | beastman987 | I am having trouble with FGLRX on Debian SID. It will not work with XORG/XFCE4. I tried installing Squeeze version, but it is too outdated. How can one get the right version, but not too old? |
| 06:05.47 | nsadmin | I use nopaste |
| 06:05.56 | gardar | codepad.org ftw |
| 06:06.02 | nsadmin | libapp-nopaste-perl is the package for that |
| 06:06.07 | LtL | chalcedony: http://paste.debian.net/174220/ |
| 06:06.11 | gardar | it can compile, which pastebin cannot |
| 06:07.11 | beastman987 | no one has ran into this fglrx problem? |
| 06:07.12 | LtL | chalcedony: note the numbers lines etc. |
| 06:07.37 | chalcedony | nsadmin, what's the command to use it? |
| 06:07.42 | nsadmin | whatever you use, use the same one and use one with line nbrs :) |
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| 06:07.53 | nsadmin | chalcedony, nopaste |
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| 06:08.32 | nsadmin | cat /oh/my/GAWD/its/a/huge/file.txt | nopaste |
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| 06:09.08 | Redeemed | hi |
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| 06:12.17 | beastman987 | heh anyone can help? |
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| 06:12.59 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 06:12.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:13.04 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 06:13.04 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 06:13.50 | chalcedony | nsadmin, LtL i'm sure im doing this wrong.. |
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| 06:14.28 | beastman987 | Ok |
| 06:14.30 | Viking667 | Right. Here's a slightly more ... tricky beast.I've got an Ubuntu machine, and I've got a Debian machine. The Ubuntu machine's dual core, 2.5GHz, with 4Gb memory. |
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| 06:14.48 | Viking667 | the laptop's 1.7GHz (I think) Pentium M, with 512Mb |
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| 06:15.02 | beastman987 | I have a problem with FGLRX on Debian SID. XServer always crashes. Anyone have this problem? |
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| 06:15.42 | Viking667 | I'm trying to find out why update-xapian-index takes something like twelve minutes on the laptop, and takes about twenty seconds on the Ubuntu machine. Any suggestions as to what I can look at? |
| 06:15.57 | chalcedony | http://nopaste.me/paste/10083204194fd8301086c1e |
| 06:15.59 | beastman987 | I read there is a bug with current XServer and FGLRX, where can I get a recent (OLDER) version of XServer? |
| 06:16.11 | beastman987 | not as old as in Squeeze |
| 06:16.18 | Viking667 | chalcedony!!! Hello there! |
| 06:16.27 | Viking667 | Are you the chalcedony from Undernet? |
| 06:16.27 | chalcedony | hey Viking667 *hugs* |
| 06:16.32 | Viking667 | Ahh, thought so. |
| 06:16.48 | beastman987 | how about this since no one seems to know |
| 06:16.58 | beastman987 | where can I get recent older package versions in debian? |
| 06:17.01 | nsadmin | is there a overnet? |
| 06:17.10 | chalcedony | nsadmin, LtL - i didn't do that right. |
| 06:17.17 | Viking667 | nsadmin: dunno. Try looking for it. |
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| 06:18.20 | Viking667 | Undernet's where I started, back in '96 |
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| 06:19.13 | chalcedony | Viking667, its still there |
| 06:19.23 | Viking667 | Oh, I have no doubt it is. |
| 06:19.37 | Viking667 | Do you know who's running #linuxhelp there now? |
| 06:19.51 | beastman987 | ...can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 06:20.29 | LtL | nsadmin: i cant get nopaste to work cat'ing the filelist |
| 06:21.45 | LtL | Viking667: chalcedony i was a global oper on undernet |
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| 06:22.15 | LtL | me wonders why i cant get nopaste to work |
| 06:22.25 | beastman987 | me wonders why no one has fglrx issues |
| 06:22.53 | Viking667 | LtL: heh. |
| 06:23.01 | Viking667 | does nopaste take stdin? |
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| 06:24.28 | chalcedony | LtL, cool glad to know you :) |
| 06:24.37 | Viking667 | Heh. Never mind, I'll find out once I've installed it. |
| 06:25.04 | Viking667 | if nopaste takes stdin, then: ls -l dokuwiki-2012-01-25a | nopaste should work fine. |
| 06:26.39 | LtL | chalcedony: making progress http://paste.debian.net/174221/ |
| 06:26.49 | chalcedony | i got errors |
| 06:26.57 | chalcedony | from Viking667's command |
| 06:27.04 | Viking667 | hm? |
| 06:27.09 | redragonx | Does anyone know how to get "what u hear" to work (stereo mix) |
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| 06:27.20 | redragonx | on debian 6 alsa |
| 06:27.22 | Viking667 | what the heck's "what you hear"? |
| 06:27.42 | redragonx | record ur audio directly w.o mic |
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| 06:30.22 | chalcedony | LtL, exactly what command did you use? (not path) LtL> chalcedony: making progress http://paste.debian.net/174221/ |
| 06:30.24 | Viking667 | I just got told over on the Ubuntu channel to install audio-recorder. Problem is, I don't know the Debian equivalent. |
| 06:30.51 | Viking667 | has both here, hence my query about update-xapian-index earlier |
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| 06:31.29 | LtL | chalcedony: ls -lRa dokuwiki-2012-01-25a | nopaste |
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| 06:31.45 | LtL | chalcedony: pastebinit worked fine |
| 06:32.33 | LtL | chalcedony: i tried a cat filelist | nopaste and got errors |
| 06:32.47 | chalcedony | http://pastebin.com/xLWLKxAu |
| 06:32.50 | chalcedony | errors |
| 06:33.26 | Viking667 | sigh. |
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| 06:33.42 | LtL | same errors here |
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| 06:34.20 | Viking667 | I'm wondering if nopaste needs some setting up first |
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| 06:35.02 | LtL | chalcedony: ls -la http://paste.debian.net/174222/ |
| 06:35.35 | LtL | Viking667: it need args or configuration i think |
| 06:35.52 | Viking667 | Sounds like it. Check whatever docs cam with the packages you installed. |
| 06:37.08 | redragonx | aaaaanyone? |
| 06:37.43 | Viking667 | redragonx: what mixer are you using? What recording application are you using? |
| 06:37.51 | redragonx | alsa |
| 06:38.03 | Viking667 | and recording app? |
| 06:38.15 | redragonx | and it isnt any one app u cn use it with |
| 06:38.32 | redragonx | it shows up as a device (windows0 |
| 06:38.35 | redragonx | ) |
| 06:38.42 | redragonx | skype btw |
| 06:38.43 | Viking667 | .... whaaa? Windows? |
| 06:39.02 | redragonx | noo i was saying that as a example |
| 06:39.17 | Viking667 | you need to be exact with what you want. I'm now officially lost. |
| 06:39.40 | Viking667 | So. you want to send-off what plays in other applications through Skype, right? |
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| 06:39.53 | redragonx | in windows you can select "what you heaR" To record or stream to any aapp |
| 06:39.54 | lizzin | can apt-get be used to install old versions of apps? |
| 06:39.59 | redragonx | i mean |
| 06:40.03 | redragonx | aaudio* |
| 06:40.05 | redragonx | ( |
| 06:40.11 | Viking667 | i.e. if you're playing music, you'd like some poor sap on the other end of the link to hear that music as well as your microphone? |
| 06:40.30 | redragonx | im not using a mic |
| 06:40.46 | redragonx | its onboard the sound card |
| 06:40.51 | redragonx | but yes |
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| 06:40.59 | redragonx | basic idea |
| 06:41.37 | Viking667 | hm. I'm not sure if Skype actually supports that. I wish it DID frankly. |
| 06:41.48 | redragonx | no it does |
| 06:42.10 | redragonx | it doesnt care abt the way it gets audio |
| 06:42.12 | redragonx | cuz |
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| 06:42.42 | redragonx | what you hear is like a actual mic device u select |
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| 06:43.10 | redragonx | so any app can use it |
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| 06:46.53 | Viking667 | And that's supposed to be called "stereo mix" |
| 06:46.59 | Viking667 | I've never seen Skype use that |
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| 06:50.26 | redragonx | it wont show up in skype if u dont have it enabled |
| 06:51.13 | redragonx | have u watched game videos |
| 06:51.18 | redragonx | etc |
| 06:51.34 | Viking667 | uh, I'd say so. |
| 06:51.46 | redragonx | thats stereo mix |
| 06:51.50 | Viking667 | yup. |
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| 06:53.17 | Viking667 | I'll go check what I've got. Pulseaudio skews my output in this case, and I'm on Ubuntu |
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| 06:57.53 | redragonx | pulseaudio has it |
| 06:57.56 | redragonx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.41 | redragonx | PulseAudio is a sound server providing professional audio features such as mixing and input/output routing. It is the default audio device on many Linux distributions including Ubuntu, Open Suse and many Debian/Ubuntu based distributions. PulseAudio operates as a proxy between sound applications and the audio hardware (usually via ALSA). The PulseAudio Volume Control may be configured so that Audacity receives audio input fro |
| 06:58.42 | chalcedony | Alsamixer is a very nice tool |
| 06:58.47 | zzing | Can anyone tell me if PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze13 with Suhosin-Patch (cgi-fcgi) is actually php 5.3.13? I need to make sure I am up to date because of vulnerabilities that were pointed by my network scanning tool. |
| 06:58.50 | Viking667 | ah. I've got alsamixer hore. |
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| 06:59.35 | LtL | chalcedony: nopaste works with small output but chokes on big ouput, i must be doing something wrong |
| 06:59.56 | redragonx | i installed pulse audio control but it says no connection |
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| 07:00.32 | chalcedony | LtL, i never got it .. in fact: Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at nopaste.com. |
| 07:00.36 | Viking667 | got alsa modules installed? |
| 07:00.46 | LtL | hrm |
| 07:00.50 | redragonx | yes |
| 07:00.56 | redragonx | i do |
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| 07:01.18 | Viking667 | nopaste.com is refusing connections |
| 07:01.22 | redragonx | hows do i fix pulse app now |
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| 07:01.55 | LtL | Viking667, chalcedony you're right refuses connections. |
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| 07:02.51 | chalcedony | so that's not a good solution |
| 07:03.25 | LtL | chalcedony: the pastebim i sent was accurate |
| 07:04.12 | redragonx | use bin.defuse.ca :) |
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| 07:04.47 | redragonx | secure passte bin made by my friend |
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| 07:05.31 | chalcedony | $ ls -l | bin.defuse.ca |
| 07:05.32 | chalcedony | bash: bin.defuse.ca: command not found |
| 07:05.56 | redragonx | o,Ooo |
| 07:06.00 | Viking667 | sigh. |
| 07:06.00 | LtL | chalcedony: that wont work |
| 07:06.07 | Viking667 | Anyhow, I'll get on out of here. |
| 07:06.15 | redragonx | its a site lol |
| 07:06.33 | LtL | i think paste.debian.net has a limit |
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| 07:07.35 | LtL | ls -l dir/ -b bin.defuse.net |
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| 07:11.06 | LtL | that doesnt work either, im tired, night |
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| 07:12.29 | chalcedony | LtL, thank you for trying :) |
| 07:12.35 | chalcedony | have a wonderful night :) |
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| 07:12.57 | Blue1 | chalcedony: hey i know you |
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| 07:13.21 | chalcedony | blue1 hi :) |
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| 07:14.19 | chalcedony | Blue1, any hope that you run dokuwiki? |
| 07:14.50 | LtL | chalcedony: http://paste.debian.net/174233/ |
| 07:14.54 | Blue1 | chalcedony: nope never heard of it. |
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| 07:15.36 | Blue1 | chalcedony: what is it for? |
| 07:15.50 | chalcedony | LtL, thanks ill see if i can get it |
| 07:16.27 | chalcedony | Blue1, it's like mediawiki but more specifically for small businesses, it lets you create separate projects and different levels of users |
| 07:17.38 | Blue1 | chalcedony: yikes |
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| 07:18.19 | Blue1 | chalcedony: no chance wordpress would do what you need? that I do know. |
| 07:18.42 | trysten | which version of freeciv do i install? |
| 07:18.52 | trysten | gtk, SDL, or xaw3d |
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| 07:20.09 | chalcedony | Blue1, there would be reasons to use wordpress, but the guy i'm working with chose this.. i was just trying to get it on my system at home to play with |
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| 07:20.45 | Blue1 | chalcedony: ouch |
| 07:20.46 | Devilholk | When you apt-get a source package, where will I find it to build it? |
| 07:21.10 | Blue1 | Devilholk: generally anything apt-gotten from the repo is pre-compiled. |
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| 07:21.37 | mjt | everything in debian comes with source |
| 07:21.47 | Blue1 | Devilholk: depending on what it is, sourceforge.net has a lot of source code |
| 07:21.48 | Devilholk | Blue1: I used apt-get build-dep libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-dev |
| 07:21.55 | petemc | Devilholk: it should be in pwd |
| 07:22.32 | Devilholk | Blue1: Are you saying that gives me everything I need to build it except the source doe? |
| 07:22.35 | mjt | build-dep install binary packages needed to compile given source, into usual places |
| 07:22.36 | Devilholk | code* |
| 07:22.51 | mjt | Blue1, petemc: please stop spreading fud. |
| 07:22.57 | petemc | eh? |
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| 07:23.09 | user | what's the proper way to mount dev in a chroot'd directory? |
| 07:23.17 | mjt | petemc: apt-get build-dep does not put stuff into pwd. |
| 07:23.33 | Blue1 | Devilholk: that has a lot of sources for utilites - sounds like you are looking for debian specific source code? |
| 07:23.36 | petemc | mjt: i was responding to the question of where the source is when you use apt-get source |
| 07:23.54 | petemc | and it does put it in pwd |
| 07:23.55 | Devilholk | Blue1: I need to build that library |
| 07:24.01 | kallisti | I tried to mount /dev into a directory, chroot, and then update-grub but it complains that /dev isn't mounted. |
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| 07:24.36 | Blue1 | kallisti: hang a moment - |
| 07:25.33 | Blue1 | kallisti: are you trying to just re-install grub? |
| 07:25.52 | kallisti | I'm trying to reconfigure grub |
| 07:26.10 | kallisti | a recent update is causing initramfs to time out when waiting for a root device |
| 07:26.28 | kallisti | so I'm going to play around with boot parameters. I'm going to try setting rootdelay first. |
| 07:26.35 | kallisti | so that it waits a little longer |
| 07:26.43 | Blue1 | Devilholk: hmm that is in the repo for me: libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-dev |
| 07:26.56 | mjt | kallisti: you don't neeed to reconfigure it for that |
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| 07:27.07 | Blue1 | Devilholk: maybe you don't have all the repos you need? |
| 07:27.09 | Devilholk | Blue1: Yeah, I found out I could get the source with apt-get source |
| 07:27.15 | kallisti | mjt: what do I need then. |
| 07:27.20 | Devilholk | My question is: where does the source end up? |
| 07:27.23 | mjt | kallisti: press 'e' when it is about to boot, and edit the whole command line there |
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| 07:27.33 | Blue1 | Devilholk: that I don't remember |
| 07:27.39 | kallisti | mjt: have you ever seen this problem before? I'm wondering what the fix is.. |
| 07:27.43 | kallisti | I'm skeptical that rootdelay will fix it. |
| 07:27.58 | Blue1 | kallisti: are you trying to re-install grub or...? |
| 07:28.17 | kallisti | see above. |
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| 07:29.04 | Blue1 | mvn |
| 07:29.08 | Blue1 | nvm |
| 07:29.28 | kallisti | but it was one of the recommendations |
| 07:29.32 | mjt | kallisti: it can happen due to a gazzilion of reasons, and the fix depend on actual reason. |
| 07:29.51 | Blue1 | what mjt said |
| 07:29.52 | kallisti | it happens as I was sleeping actually. I woke up and my computer was off. |
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| 07:30.17 | Blue1 | hmm sounds like catw |
| 07:30.19 | Blue1 | cats |
| 07:30.31 | kallisti | the last things I recall doing are doing a system upgrade and attempting to load a kernel module to enable intel graphics turbo. |
| 07:31.13 | Blue1 | ourch |
| 07:31.17 | Blue1 | ouch |
| 07:31.24 | Blue1 | man I cant type for beans tonight |
| 07:31.39 | kallisti | one of the recommendations in the error message was that it could be a missing module. |
| 07:31.42 | kallisti | so maybe that's it. |
| 07:32.07 | Devilholk | I found a solution, one lists the packages with dpkg -L |
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| 07:32.53 | petemc | Devilholk: the source should be in whatever directory you were when you ran the command |
| 07:33.10 | petemc | kallisti: can you boot into an older, previously working kernel? |
| 07:34.25 | kallisti | petemc: if I can I wouldn't know how to do that. |
| 07:34.32 | Devilholk | petemc: Thanks, I'm a bit confused for the moment but I'm making progress =) |
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| 07:35.23 | petemc | kallisti: you dont get offered a choice of kernels in grub? |
| 07:35.30 | kallisti | no. |
| 07:35.45 | kallisti | just the one. |
| 07:35.48 | petemc | if you're using packaged kernels you should.. |
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| 07:36.18 | kallisti | it could be that there's never been a kernel update? |
| 07:36.25 | kallisti | seems unlikely. |
| 07:36.41 | kallisti | I believe I upgraded my kernel to the one used by unstable myself. |
| 07:36.57 | kallisti | I don't remember the version though. |
| 07:38.15 | petemc | you dont know if there has been a kernel update, but you did install a kernel from unstable? |
| 07:39.05 | kallisti | I don't remember. I'm pretty sure I upgraded my kernel though. |
| 07:39.31 | kallisti | I'm not sure what this has to do with the problem though. |
| 07:39.59 | kallisti | I didn't compile and install a kernel by source. |
| 07:40.24 | sturles | Gah! I got trouble during grub installation (core.img to large) on my Eee, and suddenly the machine crashed. Is it possible to continue the installation from where it left? It took a day and a night to get to where it failed. Everything is installed in /target, except grub. |
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| 07:43.05 | sturles | It complains I have to install the base system to set up grub, and I'm afraid a reinstall of the base system means full reinstallation. :-( |
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| 07:45.18 | kallisti | sturles: it might be possible to install grub manually |
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| 07:45.50 | kallisti | you'd need to do so through a working OS, such as a live CD distro. |
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| 07:52.21 | sturles | Hmm. I'll try to PXE boot Debian live and take it from there. |
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| 07:56.28 | kallisti | petemc: okay bye |
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| 08:13.37 | fasta | Is there a way to get the latest version of package X in distribution Y _without_ doing apt-get update? |
| 08:13.59 | fasta | So, all I care about is 'which version is available?'. |
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| 08:14.11 | Blue1 | fasta: sudo apt-get install? |
| 08:14.25 | Blue1 | fasta: apt-cache search |
| 08:14.44 | fasta | Blue1: what makes you think that possibly answers the question? |
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| 08:15.05 | Blue1 | fasta: because I believe that answered your question. sorry if it did not. |
| 08:15.07 | stummi | fasta, you just wan't to know which versions are available? |
| 08:15.15 | stummi | fasta, apt-cache policy is a way |
| 08:15.22 | stummi | or press "v" when selecting the package in aptitude |
| 08:15.26 | fasta | stummi: no, it isn't because it depends on apt-get update. |
| 08:15.44 | fasta | stummi: it depends on having an up to date local database. |
| 08:15.52 | Blue1 | i guess the question is why is apt-get update an issue? |
| 08:16.04 | fasta | Blue1: that wasn't my question. |
| 08:16.19 | fasta | Can you people either answer the question or say nothing? |
| 08:16.20 | stummi | fasta, how do you imagine this? You can't know what version is the newest without fetching the newest versions |
| 08:16.21 | Blue1 | okay i will bow out - |
| 08:16.27 | fasta | stummi: that is not true. |
| 08:16.37 | stummi | or versionslist |
| 08:16.39 | Blue1 | i gotta hear this |
| 08:16.40 | fasta | stummi: I could parse packages.debian.org for example. |
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| 08:16.57 | stummi | fasta, ok, then you would just do for yourself what apt-get update does |
| 08:17.02 | fasta | stummi: that requires two HTTP GET requests. |
| 08:17.05 | Blue1 | fasta: manners are free |
| 08:17.21 | fasta | stummi: no, apt-get update requires O(number of repositories) GET requests. |
| 08:17.33 | fasta | Blue1: brains are too. |
| 08:17.37 | fasta | Blue1: use them next time. |
| 08:18.20 | stummi | then what you want is just update one of your repositories? |
| 08:18.36 | stummi | (and knowing from which repositories a package could come) |
| 08:18.48 | fasta | stummi: no, what I want is what I asked. |
| 08:19.09 | fasta | stummi: I don't get why you possibly don't understand about the question. |
| 08:19.24 | fasta | stummi: the question is using unambgious English. |
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| 08:19.34 | fasta | unambigious* |
| 08:19.45 | stummi | fasta, cause it seems very stupid to download and parse the Releases-file for self when aptitude/apt-get would do exactly the same |
| 08:19.54 | fasta | stummi: at no point did I say that. |
| 08:20.04 | fasta | stummi: you are making all kinds of silly assumptions. |
| 08:20.27 | fasta | stummi: thanks for your time, but it was really worthless advice. |
| 08:20.57 | stummi | i am out. have luck finding someone who want to help an unfriendly manner missing guy :) |
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| 08:22.31 | fasta | stummi: I have manners; I just don't have the time to talk to people who cannot answer questions without replying with questions. |
| 08:22.58 | fasta | stummi: I think it's anti-social behaviour to try to help when one has no clue. |
| 08:23.40 | ansgar | 10:17 < fasta> Can you people either answer the question or say nothing? |
| 08:23.50 | ansgar | ... |
| 08:24.01 | Blue1 | q.e.d. |
| 08:24.19 | fasta | ansgar: your point? |
| 08:24.29 | ansgar | fasta: You can get professional support at http://www.debian.org/consultants/. |
| 08:24.30 | rastapastanon | Everytime I edit a file in vim character encoding goes crazy throughout the whole system. Everything prints out in weird unicode characters. Can somebody offer some help, please? |
| 08:24.55 | fasta | ansgar: ok, so you are saying the Debian consultants are trolling here on purpose? |
| 08:25.19 | ansgar | fasta: No. But I see no point in helping unfriendly people for free. |
| 08:25.29 | BotaniCar | my system reports the root partition is filled up, df output is at http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ccbc0ee6/ , what are my options ? |
| 08:25.34 | fasta | ansgar: I am very friendly, just not when people spam me. |
| 08:25.44 | fasta | ansgar: and this has been spamming, because it was a pure waste of time. |
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| 08:27.01 | fasta | ansgar: also, I would suggest that you keep your spam for yourself too. |
| 08:27.07 | ansgar | fasta: You are not. (And "Why do you want to do that?" is quite often the right thing to ask.) EOD. |
| 08:27.35 | fasta | ansgar: no, it is _never_ the right thing to ask for me. |
| 08:27.50 | fasta | ansgar: because I already am a more than competent user. |
| 08:28.10 | stummi | fasta, your initial question doesn't indicate that |
| 08:28.12 | mmnicolas | how is one supposed to remove launchers from awn ? I've been deleting files for half an hour now, it seems to store that data somewhere I can't get |
| 08:28.13 | fasta | ansgar: if I don't know something, I ask the question which is of relevance at that point in time as determined by me and me alone. |
| 08:28.26 | fasta | stummi: that's because you have a limited brain. |
| 08:28.43 | fasta | stummi: don't assume someone else is stupid, just because you don't understand the master plan. |
| 08:29.24 | forestbird | nice story bro |
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| 09:05.28 | trysten | ok. what do i use instead of pidgin? it's like 32 megabytes. |
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| 09:09.40 | Argafal | ok, let me rephrase yesterday's question. On a console-only, no X11, Debian stable setup. What do I need to do to get hibernate/suspend to disk to work? I followed the dpkg advice, installed hibernate and pm-utils. But right out of the box hibernate did not work: I tried both, executing hibernate (machines powers down as expected) and pm-hibernate (same), but neither got me a resume to previous state. I don't see any resume line anywhere in the grub ... |
| 09:09.46 | Argafal | ... configuration. So I am wondering, is there anything I need to manually do other than installing hibernate and pm-utils? |
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| 09:10.34 | Argafal | trysten: use for what? |
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| 09:17.10 | Iridos | well, there's http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt ... which I seem to be unable to load currently |
| 09:17.44 | Iridos | but there's a google cache http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VsqSuJoAPYEJ:www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt+www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk |
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| 09:21.16 | Iridos | i.e. you should not need to do anything else afaik |
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| 09:23.48 | trysten | Argafal: like, as many messaging protocalls as possible |
| 09:25.00 | nsadmin | you mean like 987234660200980843 messaging protocols? |
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| 09:26.28 | nsadmin | (weird... all my numbers start with 9...) |
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| 09:32.39 | stummi | nsadmin, besides, 987234... doesn't look full randomly typed ;) |
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| 09:38.33 | pawdro | hello, as Wheezy will be frozen in few weeks (containing gnome 3.x), is there any chance to have gnome 2 in stable Wheezy ? |
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| 09:39.01 | themill | no. gnome 2 is a dead end. It's not in wheezy and never will be |
| 09:39.39 | lasers` | pawdro: Use MATE? It's still too early though. |
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| 09:39.47 | pawdro | themill: thank you. |
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| 09:40.01 | pawdro | lasers`: i'm not 100% convinced to MATE, but i'll give a try |
| 09:40.04 | lasers` | pawdro: Or you can adapt. Gnome3? LM Cinnamon looks nice, tbh. :) |
| 09:40.52 | lasers` | pawdro: I tried MATE. I had issue running marco --replace (aka compiz --replace). New names sucks too. :o |
| 09:41.17 | stummi | uses fvwm since gnome 3 cames :) |
| 09:41.38 | Iridos | hm,we don't have a factoid on installing chrome? |
| 09:42.09 | pawdro | lasers`: don't want to fight :) i'm really confused, because nothing is like gnome2 |
| 09:42.15 | Iridos | mmh, they offer a .deb :-/ |
| 09:42.25 | stummi | Iridos, why not installing chromium? |
| 09:42.26 | Argafal | trysten: seems you want as many messaging protocols and it want a little more memory as its prize ;) you could also check centerim |
| 09:42.33 | Argafal | *price |
| 09:42.34 | JoeHazzers | < Iridos> hm,we don't have a factoid on installing chrome? |
| 09:42.39 | JoeHazzers | because it's not open source |
| 09:42.58 | Iridos | stummi, I HAVE chromium but now it stopped working with google docs documents |
| 09:43.21 | lasers` | pawdro: Not fighting. I'm telling you my history with MATE. If you insist staying with Gnome2 -- Stay with squeeze for some time. Easy solution. :) |
| 09:43.34 | stummi | you can install chrome from a google repositorie afaik |
| 09:43.38 | stummi | !chrome |
| 09:43.38 | dpkg | it has been said that chrome is Mozilla's term for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. |
| 09:43.38 | Iridos | JoeHazzers, just like firmware |
| 09:44.09 | Iridos | that factoid is what I meant with "hm,we don't have a factoid on installing chrome? |
| 09:44.11 | Iridos | " |
| 09:44.35 | JoeHazzers | there's literally no reason that chrome should work with google docs when chromium doesn't |
| 09:44.59 | pawdro | lasers`: i will probably stay :) |
| 09:45.05 | Iridos | yeah, literally none except about a gazillion difference in version number |
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| 09:46.07 | Iridos | (talking about the version in squeeze) |
| 09:46.18 | JoeHazzers | oh, just go grab a later version then |
| 09:46.21 | trysten | thanks, Argafal! |
| 09:46.31 | Iridos | note there are no backports and I'm not sure how easily it'd be to backport |
| 09:47.14 | Iridos | bah, guess I can just unpack their deb... don't feel like pushing this into the packaging system |
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| 09:48.17 | Iridos | guess there's not much to have in a factoid if the way they offer it is as a .deb |
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| 09:49.40 | deni | can anyone recommend a tool for graphicaly charting networks and services? |
| 09:49.45 | dizzylizzy | i always feel icky installing .debs from 3rd parties |
| 09:50.05 | dizzylizzy | oh gosh i saw a really awesome one at a linux convention once deni |
| 09:50.37 | dizzylizzy | it was showing all of the laptops hooked up to the wifi (their hostnames) and showing the bandwidth usage graphically |
| 09:50.39 | dizzylizzy | it was pretty sweet |
| 09:50.47 | nsadmin | deni, pencil |
| 09:51.45 | deni | nsadmin: as in pen and paper? :D |
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| 09:52.02 | nsadmin | well erasing is hard with pen |
| 09:52.23 | deni | :) |
| 09:52.27 | nsadmin | you could try this really old thing called xfig |
| 09:52.36 | nsadmin | theres dia |
| 09:52.51 | deni | i know of dia yes....i was considering trying that again |
| 09:52.57 | Iridos | oh, can install the chrome .deb next to chromium... and yes, google docs documents stopped erroring out |
| 09:52.58 | nsadmin | there's some svg things, inkscape being the main one |
| 09:53.10 | Iridos | which is good and bad, I guess |
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| 09:54.01 | BotaniCar | My system reports the root partition is filled up, df output is at http://paste.debian.net/hidden/132c0e57/ , what are my options ? |
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| 09:54.33 | nsadmin | BotaniCar, additional hard drive? |
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| 09:54.45 | stummi | BotaniCar, a bigger root filesystem? |
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| 09:56.20 | nsadmin | having /var, /tmp, /usr and /home be separate partitions? |
| 09:56.38 | Iridos | dizzylizzy, yeah... it's a pretty useless exercise... if you don't have a repo you can upgrade those .debs from, they're not very useful... |
| 09:56.55 | BotaniCar | let me rephrase, can i see what exactly is filling it ? i might be missing something realy elementary so pardon me in advance: biggest chunk of data that seems to "fill" the '/' is /home, which has it's own partition, is the % of root partition beeing filled relevant in that case ? Yes, the mentioned are on separate partitions |
| 09:57.22 | nsadmin | I like du -s * |
| 09:57.26 | nsadmin | starting at / |
| 09:58.06 | Iridos | BotaniCar, you could start with "apt-get clean" |
| 09:58.23 | BotaniCar | Iridos: done already |
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| 09:58.48 | stummi | apt-get clean works only within /var/cache/apt... |
| 09:59.00 | stummi | BotaniCar, du -sh /* |
| 09:59.03 | BotaniCar | nsadmin: du output is at http://paste.debian.net/174260/ |
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| 09:59.14 | BotaniCar | stummi http://paste.debian.net/174260/ |
| 09:59.53 | nsadmin | looks like the biggest thing is /home |
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| 10:00.05 | stummi | BotaniCar, the biggest thing on your root partition is /root |
| 10:00.14 | BotaniCar | home has it's own partition, filled at 20% |
| 10:00.16 | stummi | nsadmin, he has /home on a separate partition |
| 10:00.16 | matlads | clean out /root |
| 10:00.29 | nsadmin | ok, so /usr and /var |
| 10:00.45 | stummi | nsadmin, he also has /usr/ and /var/ on a separate partition |
| 10:00.57 | stummi | nsadmin, <BotaniCar> My system reports the root partition is filled up, df output is at http://paste.debian.net/hidden/132c0e57/ , what are my options ? |
| 10:01.22 | stummi | look at his paste ;) |
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| 10:02.37 | Iridos | BotaniCar, your root partition is just kinda tiny with 323M... oh, and didn't see you had /var separate... I think you just overengineered partitioning... having just / and /home works well on a a typical desktop system and not-too-busy servers |
| 10:02.58 | Iridos | BotaniCar, if this is a desktop with X, you can see file sizes represented graphically with gdmap |
| 10:03.26 | BotaniCar | Iridos: i inheridet it as it is and can't mess with partition table much, also, it has no UI components |
| 10:03.37 | nsadmin | can;t do anything about /lib unless you uninstall packages that put stuff there... /root could be cleaned up |
| 10:03.59 | BotaniCar | nsadmin: logical thing to do would be to extend '/' i presume ? |
| 10:04.11 | Iridos | BotaniCar, well... best solution would be to increase size of root partition, I guess |
| 10:04.25 | nsadmin | well after cleaning up /root |
| 10:05.01 | Iridos | yeah, obviously :) |
| 10:05.36 | Iridos | but generally I don't see a lot of sense in splitting off /usr |
| 10:05.44 | nsadmin | is something growing in there? |
| 10:05.57 | BotaniCar | can you suggest what to do as a cleanup ? ls -alh /root/ >> http://paste.debian.net/174262/ |
| 10:06.22 | stummi | a solution which needs some more work would be merging / /var/ /usr/ |
| 10:06.29 | BotaniCar | nsadmin: the usage % is same since i implemented monitoring |
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| 10:07.00 | stummi | BotaniCar, du -sh /root/* |
| 10:07.18 | nsadmin | so, clean stuff out pf /root |
| 10:07.28 | stummi | but this directory looks like you are working to much with root in general |
| 10:07.42 | matlads | maybe du -sh /root/.[a-z]* |
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| 10:07.55 | BotaniCar | stummi: http://paste.debian.net/174263/ |
| 10:08.22 | stummi | BotaniCar, sorry. du -sh /root/.* |
| 10:09.05 | BotaniCar | stummi: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5d9d3388/ |
| 10:09.10 | stummi | anyways, can i configure bash anywhere that * also matches .* in interactive mode? |
| 10:10.25 | stummi | BotaniCar, looks like cpan is the biggest space user. I am not very fit how cpan works but may there are some cache files in there you can delete |
| 10:10.36 | stummi | but that you have to look for yorself |
| 10:10.49 | BotaniCar | ok, thanks, all |
| 10:11.09 | stummi | (oh, and you don't need cpan in many cases to install perl libs. look for libfoo-bar-perl in aptitude first if you need one |
| 10:11.17 | matlads | for cpan, you can generally remove the /root/.cpan/build directory |
| 10:11.36 | nsadmin | mmm cpancakes |
| 10:12.17 | BotaniCar | matlads: i see google is filled up with angry shouts @cpan devs, i'll go read a bit before deleting, thx |
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| 10:13.03 | matlads | BotaniCar: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=733946 |
| 10:13.18 | matlads | .cpan/build is just a cache |
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| 10:13.51 | matlads | you should ideally use debian packages as stummi has suggested, or failing that investigate cpanm |
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| 10:14.05 | _droid | hello people, i just setup vsftpd and started to do some transfertests. both server and client are hocked onto a gbit switch from netgear but transferspeeds only give me 400kB/s |
| 10:14.07 | _droid | y? |
| 10:14.21 | matlads | and other non-root options for dealing with perl code (e.g. local::lib and or perlbrew) |
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| 10:26.09 | BotaniCar | matlads: seems i created my own problem , the partition was filled while i was doing a munin/nagios installation, since i don't plan to do any more components install i'll just clean cache/source and leave it be ( / usage droped from 80% to 49% after that, which is fine by me). Thanks for help to all |
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| 10:39.14 | ksk | hi |
| 10:40.23 | ksk | any idea why i cannot do "aptitude install chrony -t wheezy" on stable? if i replace install with download it works.. |
| 10:41.14 | ksk | its like it things that the one from wheezy is the same version and does not need to be installed |
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| 10:41.22 | ksk | ,versions chrony |
| 10:41.23 | judd | Package: chrony on i386 -- lenny: 1.23-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.23-6+lenny1; squeeze: 1.24-3+b1; sid: 1.24-3.1; wheezy: 1.24-3.1 |
| 10:41.41 | ksk | but as you see they differ (1.24-3+b1 vs 1.24-3.1) |
| 10:41.55 | ksk | s |
| 10:42.00 | ksk | s/things/thinks/ |
| 10:42.08 | jelly | is there a checksumming buffer/pv/cat/dd like tool? I wish to avoid doing a second pass or teeing a long image |
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| 10:43.00 | themill | dpkg: tell ksk about bat |
| 10:43.05 | ksk | thanks themill |
| 10:43.42 | ksk | i supplied all this info already, but gimme another second |
| 10:44.21 | themill | ksk: you've supplied none of this information yet... |
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| 10:48.10 | nyuszika7h | I'm getting this error on running `ck-launch-session startxfce4': |
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| 10:48.19 | nyuszika7h | Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 10:49.31 | nyuszika7h | I see the problem |
| 10:49.34 | nyuszika7h | No drivers available |
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| 11:15.29 | CVirus | Are kernel upgrades using aptitude added by default to my grub menu ? |
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| 11:15.44 | bvs | CVirus, yes |
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| 11:19.34 | CVirus | bvs: uname -r says 3.2.0-2-amd64 while aptitude show linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 says Version: 3.2.19-1 |
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| 11:20.04 | CVirus | bvs: why doesn't uname -r show my minor kernel version ? |
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| 11:21.51 | themill | CVirus: debian has never used the micro version in that way and with the move to the 3.x naming from 2.6.x, it's always 3.x.0. (Kernels from 3.4 onwards will just be "3.4" not "3.4.0" |
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| 11:22.13 | CVirus | themill: I see .. I'm new to Debian |
| 11:22.27 | CVirus | themill: so how can I know my running kerne's version ? |
| 11:22.43 | CVirus | kernel's* |
| 11:23.14 | CVirus | themill: the minor version I mean |
| 11:23.14 | pinkus | hey everyone. im trying to compile from source, but i get the following when i try to ./configure: The file /include/linux/version.h does not exist. Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution... |
| 11:23.15 | themill | CVirus: depends what you mean by "version". That's a word that has about 4 different meanings in this conversation. |
| 11:23.20 | pinkus | i'm on Squeeze btw |
| 11:23.31 | stew | CVirus: 3.2.0-2-amd64 is the version number used fo "binary compatibility", 3.2.19-1 is the debian package version number. when there is a newer version of the package, the package version changes so you get an update, but if that update is binary compatible (for things like modules talking to the kernel, the kernel talking to userspace), the number reported by uname -r doesn't change |
| 11:23.59 | CVirus | stew: themill: bvs: Thanks a lot .. now I understand |
| 11:24.50 | stew | CVirus: if you are out on the web and see something like "this is known to be broken with kernel's version _x_," then you want the uname -r version |
| 11:25.02 | CVirus | stew: I see |
| 11:25.17 | stew | CVirus: the only time you really want to worry about the debian package version is in very debian specific conversations |
| 11:25.32 | themill | (uname -r being the same as the package name you installed) |
| 11:25.33 | CVirus | stew: got that .. thanks a lot |
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| 11:27.41 | themill | stew: Contents-source.gz is generated by dak on every install run, isn't it? (i.e. always up to date with the pool/) |
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| 11:31.52 | stew | themill: yes |
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| 11:32.25 | themill | stew: do you know if it will it be generated for future stable releases? (it's not in squeeze atm) |
| 11:33.42 | stew | afaik, yes |
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| 11:34.01 | themill | thanks ;) |
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| 11:35.16 | Cyclohexane | is sendmail a decent smtp server? |
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| 11:37.07 | themill | Cyclohexane: no |
| 11:37.11 | stew | sendmail was the bees knees in the 1990s |
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| 11:40.15 | Cyclohexane | what do you recommend? |
| 11:40.36 | z3l | Hello. I have just installed debian 6 on my notebook. How can I turn off internal speakers, when I connect external ones? |
| 11:40.45 | z3l | I am using gnome. |
| 11:40.46 | pinkus | How do i get kernel sources required for compiling? My ./configure says I am missing /include/linux/version.h |
| 11:40.51 | themill | Cyclohexane: depends on what sort of sophistication you want in your mail handling. |
| 11:41.26 | jargon- | anybody come across the error: "ImportError: No module named PIL", but python-imaging is already installed? is it no longer python-imaging that is needed for PIL on debian? |
| 11:41.52 | Cyclohexane | themill: a good level of sophistication |
| 11:41.58 | stew | pinkus: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:42.16 | pinkus | stew: ty |
| 11:42.27 | Cyclohexane | themill: need it to handle them, i'll just pick it up from an email client on my desktop |
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| 11:43.58 | stew | jargon-: what version of python are you using? |
| 11:44.01 | themill | Cyclohexane: so actually you want something quite unsophisticated then. No need for virtual users, or mailing lists software integration etc. exim4 is what debian comes with by default and it will do find for you. You could pick something much smaller and simpler for your use case though. |
| 11:44.08 | jargon- | stew: 2.7.3 |
| 11:44.26 | Ormie | Hello, Some one told me long time ago that debian is easier to use the more you use it, but ubuntu gets harder the more you use it. who said that? |
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| 11:45.14 | stew | jargon-: now check "dpkg -s python-imaging| grep Python-Version" |
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| 11:46.09 | themill | jargon-: how did you install python 2.7.3? |
| 11:46.12 | stew | Ormie: I would think that the more you use either, the easier either gets to use |
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| 11:46.30 | jargon- | stew: aaah. it's only 2.5 and 2.6. i see. thanks |
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| 11:46.37 | Lfta | hi, please anyone can help i dono if my graphic card is nvidia :/ i think is intel |
| 11:46.45 | Ormie | stew, u were there before |
| 11:46.58 | themill | jargon-: is this your own local installation of python2.7? |
| 11:47.08 | Ormie | stew, i am going to ask about ubuntu, how come ubuntu gets harder as you use it? |
| 11:47.15 | metaphysician | the multimedia repository is breaking 1 package |
| 11:47.18 | Lfta | i use lspci and appears intel core processor instegrated graphics |
| 11:47.23 | Lfta | anyone can help :( |
| 11:47.36 | jargon- | themill: i used pythonbrew to install 2.7.3. |
| 11:48.11 | jargon- | themill: was it a bad idea so soon? barely a couple days |
| 11:48.19 | Ormie | Lfta, what is the problem? |
| 11:48.21 | themill | jargon-: you'll probably find that there are no python module packages in debian that work with that local python installation. |
| 11:48.31 | Lfta | don't have x |
| 11:48.31 | Lfta | :( |
| 11:48.35 | Lfta | only shell |
| 11:48.44 | Ormie | type "startx" |
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| 11:48.49 | Ormie | give me output |
| 11:48.51 | Lfta | and i dono where download my graphic driver |
| 11:48.51 | themill | jargon-: why do you actually want python 2.7 btw? Is there really anything that python 2.6 can't do for you with a couple of extra module packages installed? |
| 11:49.05 | Ormie | Lfta, oh no, you are newbie, right? |
| 11:49.11 | Lfta | :s |
| 11:49.14 | stew | Lfta: "aptitude install xorg" will install everything, including graphics drivers |
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| 11:49.33 | Ormie | stew, i think he is a newbie, though |
| 11:50.02 | stew | Ormie: the same command would be used by newbies and veterans alike |
| 11:50.12 | jargon- | themill: things like optparser<->argparser. and some other ones that escape my mind |
| 11:50.33 | Lfta | ok stew but i have that problem because i try to install nvidia driver |
| 11:50.43 | themill | ,v python-argparse |
| 11:50.44 | judd | Package: python-argparse on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-1; sid: 1.2.1-2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2 |
| 11:50.46 | Lfta | i have x before but doest start |
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| 11:50.55 | themill | jargon-: ^^ as you can see, argparse is also available for python2.6. |
| 11:51.00 | Lfta | i startx |
| 11:51.01 | Ormie | nvidia again, talking about i want to buy a new laptop. i hate nvidia |
| 11:51.15 | Lfta | appears failed to load module nvidia |
| 11:51.25 | Lfta | but i think my laptop doesnt' have nvidia |
| 11:51.30 | Lfta | only intel integrated |
| 11:51.37 | jargon- | hmmm |
| 11:51.39 | Lfta | how can i solve that :( |
| 11:51.54 | themill | jargon-: I'm yet to really find anything that's not also available for python 2.6 as a module like that. Also, do make sure that "which python" still says /usr/bin/python or you will have lots of very unhappy applications. |
| 11:52.16 | Ormie | Lfta, what is the output of "lspci | grep -i VGA" |
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| 11:52.23 | Ormie | or if that does not work |
| 11:52.32 | Lfta | at Xorg.0.log have no drivers available |
| 11:52.35 | Ormie | "lspci | grep -i Video" |
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| 11:52.44 | jargon- | themill: ouch. my `which python` is pointing to 2.7.3 |
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| 11:53.02 | stew | jargon-: where? in /usr/bin or somewhere else? |
| 11:53.24 | Lfta | Ormie VGA Compatible controller : intel corporation core processor integrated graphics contorller (rev 02) |
| 11:53.30 | Lfta | not nvidia :D |
| 11:53.33 | Lfta | i think |
| 11:53.36 | jargon- | stew: /home... |
| 11:54.02 | Lfta | :/ |
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| 11:54.49 | Ormie | Stew! |
| 11:55.00 | Ormie | stew, i am going to ask about ubuntu, how come ubuntu gets harder as you use it? |
| 11:55.12 | Ormie | some one told me |
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| 11:56.10 | Ormie | Lfta, also what is the output of "lspci | grep -i NVIDIA" |
| 11:56.39 | Lfta | nothing |
| 11:56.48 | Lfta | i think my laptop doesn't have nvidia :D |
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| 11:57.16 | solar4x | then use lspci |more |
| 11:57.19 | Ormie | Lfta, you don't have to "think" |
| 11:57.24 | Rusty1_64 | /exec -o inxi -Gx |
| 11:57.29 | Ormie | Lfta, you don't have nvidia! |
| 11:57.30 | Lfta | how can i install a compatible driver |
| 11:57.33 | Lfta | :D |
| 11:57.45 | Lfta | Ormie great |
| 11:57.55 | Lfta | ah can i install a compatible driver? |
| 11:58.00 | Lfta | nouveau? |
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| 11:59.32 | Ormie | stew |
| 11:59.38 | Ormie | where are you >_< |
| 11:59.55 | Lfta | Ormie i mad inxi -Gx |
| 12:00.03 | Lfta | and the output is |
| 12:00.24 | Lfta | Graphics: Card Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller Xorg.org |
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| 12:01.50 | Ormie | Lfta, that still means that you don't have NVIDIA |
| 12:02.04 | Lfta | yap |
| 12:02.18 | Lfta | and how can i solve that? |
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| 12:03.43 | Ormie | Lfta, http://bit.ly/LCCgdQ |
| 12:03.48 | Ormie | XD |
| 12:03.57 | metaphysician | ,versions libmp3lame0 |
| 12:03.58 | judd | Package: libmp3lame0 on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-0.1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo1 |
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| 12:04.32 | Ormie | ,help |
| 12:04.33 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 12:04.37 | Lfta | thanks Ormie |
| 12:04.38 | Ormie | cool bot |
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| 12:05.47 | jelly | you can /msg bots in private, they answer that way as well |
| 12:06.41 | stummi | btw, how may bots are here? |
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| 12:07.25 | jelly | !bots |
| 12:07.25 | dpkg | We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ravenbird, piggy, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry. |
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| 12:08.03 | stummi | thanks ;) |
| 12:08.04 | Lartza | Super fast IO in my VPS? SSD? |
| 12:08.27 | Lartza | I mean I created a swapfile with dd if=/dev/zero, 512 megabytes and it took a single second |
| 12:08.34 | Lartza | Also copying that file took 3 seconds |
| 12:09.07 | stummi | may you have a big cache layer or so |
| 12:09.29 | echo083 | Lartza, try the same with a video file for example i mean a file with data different of zeros |
| 12:09.51 | Lartza | swapon: /swapfile: swapon failed: Operation not permitted |
| 12:09.58 | Lartza | :S |
| 12:10.09 | echo083 | Lartza, try with sudo |
| 12:10.17 | Lartza | I did |
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| 12:10.47 | echo083 | Lartza, did you make mkswap on your file ? |
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| 12:11.00 | Lartza | Yes |
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| 12:11.18 | echo083 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=512000 |
| 12:11.25 | echo083 | mkswap /swapfile |
| 12:11.35 | echo083 | Lartza, remove your old /swapfile before |
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| 12:11.47 | echo083 | mkswap /swapfile 512000 |
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| 12:12.05 | Lartza | Does OpenVZ have something to do with this? |
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| 12:12.43 | echo083 | Lartza, with your failure about swapon ? |
| 12:12.46 | Lartza | Yes |
| 12:12.55 | Lartza | Fails still |
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| 12:13.12 | echo083 | Lartza, sorry i nerver used openvz |
| 12:13.36 | echo083 | Lartza, the commands i gave always worked for me even in a virtualization environment |
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| 12:15.00 | echo083 | Lartza, swapon /swapfile |
| 12:15.08 | echo083 | Lartza, do you add options to swapon ? |
| 12:15.12 | Lartza | no |
| 12:15.40 | echo083 | Lartza, how much free space do you have ? |
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| 12:15.56 | Lartza | df -h shows 6% use |
| 12:16.04 | Lartza | df -i shows 1% use |
| 12:16.09 | cemiotic | Lartza: http://swoolley.org/man.cgi/swapon |
| 12:16.43 | krisfremen | Lartza: -i is inodes -h is space in MB |
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| 12:17.02 | Lartza | Hmm |
| 12:17.08 | Lartza | OpenVZ is most likely blocking swap |
| 12:17.09 | echo083 | Lartza, i've no idea what's going on |
| 12:17.16 | Lartza | Or I am not sure if it is possible to make it at all |
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| 12:17.26 | echo083 | Lartza, what google said ? |
| 12:17.29 | Lartza | It needs to be created by the dedicated for allt he VPS'es |
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| 12:17.36 | stummi | LameIdler, what does "swapon -v /swapfile" says? |
| 12:17.44 | Lartza | Also if that's not true the provider can most likely block it |
| 12:18.00 | stummi | *Lartza |
| 12:18.15 | Lartza | stummi, Only warns about permissions |
| 12:18.26 | stummi | Lartza, and as which type is / mountet? afair swapon refuses mounting swapfile vom some fs types |
| 12:18.27 | cemiotic | Lartza: What actually you're trying to accomplish? |
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| 12:18.39 | Lartza | cemiotic, Get swapspace? |
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| 12:19.08 | Lartza | stummi, How would I see that? :P |
| 12:19.44 | stummi | Lartza, mount |
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| 12:20.00 | Lartza | stummi, ? |
| 12:20.32 | stummi | Lartza, didn't you mean my question about the type as which is / mountet? |
| 12:20.37 | Lartza | stummi, simfs :) |
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| 12:20.49 | echo083 | Lartza, what is the result of "swapon -s" ? |
| 12:20.50 | Sevet | Lartza: i think it's openvz blocking it, as a result of being a container rather than an actual virtual machine. see http://wiki.openvz.org/VSwap |
| 12:21.00 | Lartza | Yeah |
| 12:21.12 | Lartza | KVM I think supports user-created swap |
| 12:21.38 | Sevet | i think you want to use swapon on the host and vzctl to assign swap space to containers |
| 12:21.46 | Lartza | Well darn it then |
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| 12:21.50 | stummi | LameIdler, don't know what simfs is. but for example you cannot mount a swapfile which is under a tmpf |
| 12:21.51 | stummi | *tmpfs |
| 12:21.54 | Lartza | Sevet, But the provider won't do that :P |
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| 12:22.33 | antgel | hi all, strange problem with this wheezy box. when i enter keyboard configuration, the list of foreign layouts is *empty*. both in gnome3 and xfce4. any clues as to what is missing? i've never seen this before on any debian box |
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| 12:23.15 | Lartza | Can I assign HDD as memory in any other way? :P |
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| 12:24.32 | stummi | Lartza, you should ask your provider for more memory or swapspace |
| 12:24.47 | stummi | if he doesn't do it, he sucks und you probably want to look out for another one ;) |
| 12:25.04 | Lartza | He probably will for some money :P |
| 12:25.30 | echo083 | antgel, on my gnome3 box i have an add button |
| 12:25.31 | Sevet | Lartza: KVM does support user-created swap, but it's because it's a completely different approach to virtualisation. it emulates the hardware and the guest runs its own kernel - that's why you can create your own swap. openvz you're all running on the same kernel but partitioned off from each other within the kernel, so you need something different (vzctl) to manage those partitions. swap space |
| 12:25.32 | Sevet | is mounted on host by the kernel and you need to use vzctl to manage the allocating of the swap space to the containers. |
| 12:25.52 | Lartza | Sevet, Yeah |
| 12:26.07 | Lartza | Did not know that that good, so thanks :) |
| 12:26.08 | echo083 | antgel, gnome-keyboard-properties ? |
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| 12:29.14 | antgel | echo083: no. it's not that i can't access the keyboard layout dialog. it's that when i go into the dialog, the list of layouts is empty |
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| 12:29.53 | echo083 | antgel, second tab starting from the left you don't have the button "Add ..." ? |
| 12:30.31 | mitc0185 | trying to troubleshoot a login issue, and I just noticed that /var/log/auth.log on my system was last modified 10/14/11... what the heck could be going on with that? |
| 12:31.47 | petemc | syslog or rsyslog running? |
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| 12:36.17 | antgel | echo083: i don't have gnome-keyboard-properties, and apt-file doesn't know about it |
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| 12:37.10 | echo083 | antgel, apt-file ?? |
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| 12:40.09 | antgel | echo083: yes |
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| 12:40.39 | antgel | echo083: anyway, it's the same in xfce, it's not a problem to do with the tools, it's to do with my desktop not having or parsing the keyboard layout data somehow |
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| 12:43.01 | stew | antgel: i only see xkb-data (which you must have) and keyboards-rg which looks to be even more specific than you are looking for |
| 12:43.10 | stew | antgel: what layout are you actually looking for? |
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| 12:52.48 | antgel | stew: hi! israel (hebrew layout). but there's *nothing* in the list at all. in the xfce4 keyboard prefs, the Add button is greyed out |
| 12:53.42 | stew | antgel: does "setxkbmap il" work? |
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| 12:59.48 | antgel | stew: great insight. I get "Xkb extension not present on 10:0". (this is a machine that i'm connecting to via xrdp and i already have some other weird environment issues to debug) |
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| 13:01.14 | antgel | stew: so i see now, xrdp has some custom keymap stuff :( thanks a lot for the help |
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| 13:18.19 | mitc0185 | petemc: yes, rsyslog is running |
| 13:19.08 | stew | mitc0185: what does "fgrep auth.log /etc/rsyslog.conf" return? |
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| 13:22.22 | mitc0185 | stew: auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log |
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| 13:27.52 | nyuszika7h | Hi, I'm getting this error when trying to install MATE on Debian Sid: http://paste.debian.net/174289 |
| 13:28.48 | jelly | nyuszika7h: why did you respond with "q" instead of "n"? "n" lets aptitude search harder for an alternative solution. |
| 13:28.56 | nyuszika7h | jelly: I was unsure |
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| 13:29.38 | nyuszika7h | "*** No more solutions available ***" |
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| 13:30.55 | nyuszika7h | Hmm, wait |
| 13:31.02 | nyuszika7h | It says to install mate-archive-keyring separately first |
| 13:31.08 | nyuszika7h | That installs a lot of packages, let me see |
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| 13:36.46 | themill | nyuszika7h: if you want to install random packages from outside of the debian archive, you should ask the people who prepared them for you. They don't look like they were designed for debian. |
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| 13:37.00 | nyuszika7h | They were |
| 13:37.16 | nyuszika7h | http://mate-desktop.org/install |
| 13:37.24 | mitc0185 | stew petemc: thanks for your help, I've got to log off for now but will try to get it fixed tonight. |
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| 13:39.38 | themill | nyuszika7h: that apt output says otherwise. (or at least, if they were once compatible with wheezy, they no longer are). Please ask #mate why their packages are broken. |
| 13:39.43 | stew | nyuszika7h: you never actually asked a question, but if you did the answer is going to be "the libatril package you are trying to install is broken" |
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| 13:39.59 | stew | nyuszika7h: it has a versioned depeneds on a virtual package, which is not resolvable |
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| 13:41.17 | stew | nyuszika7h: oh, its not that they are virtual, its that they don't exist in sid anymore |
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| 13:41.26 | nyuszika7h | Yeah, they're too new for MATE :( |
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| 13:43.18 | themill | and this is how every "whaa I don't like the new foo" fork ends -- cruft that no longer works. |
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| 13:44.58 | lasers` | nyuszika7h: Learn how to adapt. Gnome3? Also, I find Cinnamon to be awesome. |
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| 13:45.30 | nyuszika7h | lasers`: I don't like GNOME 3 |
| 13:45.47 | nyuszika7h | Cinnamon? I heard about it, I might as well give it a try |
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| 13:47.02 | cemiotic | nyuszika7h: try kde, lxde, xfce or other |
| 13:47.07 | lasers` | nyuszika7h: I tried MATE too. Too much silliness. New names. Things not going properly (ie, no compiz and no metacity). Turns out that "marco --replace" is a new compiz --replce. |
| 13:47.29 | themill | Considering there's almost 50 window managers in debian... |
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| 13:50.39 | nntable | Anyone know a good regexpression document? Need to learn SED. |
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| 13:51.35 | cemiotic | http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html |
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| 13:56.34 | _luk_ | hi, if i want use fglrx driver with debian testing i must pin only xserver-xorg-core? |
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| 13:58.14 | cemiotic | <_luk_>: Install the pkg or build-depends and compile |
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| 13:59.05 | _luk_ | cemiotic: to do that i must first pin xserver-xorg-core. I would know if there're other package to block |
| 13:59.26 | _luk_ | cause fglrx driver doesn't work with xserver-xorg-core 1.12.* |
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| 14:00.27 | cemiotic | _luk_: glx-alternative-fglrx |
| 14:01.03 | _luk_ | what is that? |
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| 14:01.31 | cemiotic | <_luk_>: aptitude show glx-alternative-fglrx |
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| 14:02.27 | _luk_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:21.23 | jargon- | i've added to my sources.list: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main. how do i pin it so only iceweasel gets upgraded in this way? |
| 14:22.11 | stew | jargon-: you don't need to, it's done automatically |
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| 14:23.27 | jargon- | stew: ok |
| 14:23.48 | stew | jargon-: if you check "apt-cache policy" it should be pinned at 100 |
| 14:24.19 | stew | jargon-: if you check the release file: http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release you see "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes |
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| 14:25.43 | mikunos | hi guys, I have a cloud system with on board the last version of the debian. I had a little hard disk until yesterday and now I am trying to upgrade it from 5GB to 60GB. The question is: is there a way to expand the old partition from 5GB to 60GB without delete anything? |
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| 14:26.19 | bolt | mikunos: depends on the file system |
| 14:26.28 | mikunos | hi bolt |
| 14:27.08 | stummi | mikunos, what bolt said + try resize2fs |
| 14:27.38 | bolt | you might also want to consider actually having more partitions |
| 14:27.41 | stummi | if its extN, what it is if you have a default system |
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| 14:28.00 | bolt | for instance, keeping the 5gb for / and adding separate partitions for /var, /tmp/, /home, whathaveyou |
| 14:28.18 | mikunos | ok |
| 14:28.27 | stummi | has a tmpfs under /tmp/ |
| 14:28.29 | bolt | also, backups. |
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| 14:30.49 | mikunos | seems so hard to do it |
| 14:31.14 | bolt | mikunos: if you've never done it before, it might seem that way |
| 14:31.20 | bolt | mikunos: just have a backup and go for it |
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| 14:31.37 | mikunos | bolt yes it's the first time |
| 14:31.43 | hide | Hello everyone. How do I make audio to be transmitted over my video card's HDMI port? |
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| 14:33.17 | mikunos | bolt which is a fast way to backup the system? |
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| 14:35.39 | bolt | mikunos: again it depends on your setup. if you have only one partition, you might be able to do something like 'ssh mikunos@remotemachine "tar --numeric-owner --one-file-system -czpPf - /" >mybackup.tgz' |
| 14:36.26 | bolt | there are specialized tools that do a lot better job than that though |
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| 14:39.00 | Argafal | hi folks. how do i stop x from coming up during boot? I guess i should change the default runlevel, right? |
| 14:39.07 | Argafal | It's Debian stable. |
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| 14:44.32 | AVVD | Hi everybody! |
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| 14:46.05 | AVVD | Is anybody can help me? Whene I plug my Android device, all my usb port is disabled and I must reboot. I look the syslog and I think is a problem between my wifi dongle and the modem of my mobile device. |
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| 14:46.37 | Tinned_Tuna | Hi, I have an already-running Debian 6 system, and I'd like to create an encrypted partition for extra data. Are there any relevany guides, or should I experiment and assemble/contribute one myself when I've got something working? |
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| 14:46.52 | Tinned_Tuna | s/relevany/relevant/g |
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| 14:47.44 | Tinned_Tuna | Most of the stuff I have found so far seems to concern building an entirely encrypted system, and is quite old now so I'm not sure of it's relevancy |
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| 14:48.29 | bolt | Tinned_Tuna: just use encfs or similar? |
| 14:48.37 | mikunos | ok bolt |
| 14:49.00 | mikunos | the tar create a big compressed file |
| 14:49.02 | mikunos | right? |
| 14:49.21 | bolt | mikunos: depends how much data you have :) |
| 14:49.22 | Tinned_Tuna | goes to readup on encfs |
| 14:49.25 | mikunos | 5Gb |
| 14:49.29 | Tinned_Tuna | thanks bolt :-) |
| 14:49.34 | SunSoul | Hello, I am trying to isntall Debian on my laptop. The installation went fine, but it says Operating System not found when I boot it after installation. I have UEFI booting in my BIOS, so I am assuming Debian is not booting because it is a on UEFI boot mode. Anyway I can make Debian boot with UEFI? |
| 14:49.44 | bolt | mikunos: then I would assume it ends up somewhere between 2.5 and 5 gigs, yes |
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| 14:52.52 | Ormu | hello, anyone want to help me with iptables? :P |
| 14:53.35 | sney | !anyone |
| 14:53.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:54.00 | Diopter | Ormu: Ask your question |
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| 15:01.21 | tooter | hey folks. have a new web dev started and need to get him a book on linux. basic stuff - cmd line, scp, maybe some apache config, etc - any recommendations? |
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| 15:02.56 | lasers` | tooter: Debian Handbook? http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 15:03.51 | bolt | tooter: much more important is a system he can screw around with and easily restore, methinks |
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| 15:05.26 | tooter | na think i need something easier than the handbook. plenty of systems for him to ruin :D |
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| 15:05.45 | tooter | oh - short remedial course :D apart from the name that's perfect! |
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| 15:08.30 | patient | tooter slackbook.org has the slackware manual, besides helping on the installation, it gives some explanation on basic commands like ls, cp, mv, rm, etc |
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| 15:13.27 | tooter | thanks folks :D |
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| 15:17.33 | nyuszika7h | Hi |
| 15:17.46 | nyuszika7h | What login managers are there other than slim? |
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| 15:18.48 | Ormu | ok, I tried to follow some rule templates with iptables.. is this >> http://pastebin.com/9cf4VhdA << correctly done? I use that machine to run a game server (and various other stuff) |
| 15:19.18 | patient | nyuszika7h: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Manager |
| 15:19.39 | nyuszika7h | It's funny that you refer to the Arch wiki, but thanks :P |
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| 15:20.09 | patient | i refer to good documentation, whether it's arch's or anything else |
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| 15:23.10 | nyuszika7h | I can't even install KDE normally in sid :/ |
| 15:23.29 | lasers` | \o/ |
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| 15:25.27 | bolt | nyuszika7h: if you expect the system to function "normally", why are you running sid in the first place? |
| 15:25.38 | nyuszika7h | squeeze is ancient... |
| 15:26.26 | dunib | this has probably been asked a lot in the last few days, but is emacs24 likely to make it into wheezy? |
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| 15:27.54 | bolt | !tell nyuszika7h about sid |
| 15:28.19 | bolt | gah. who changed the factoid? :( |
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| 15:30.19 | oskie | I'm moving my / filesystem, to replace the first drive. New root fs is mounted in /mnt. The new root drive is /dev/sdh, old /dev/sda, but new one will later become /dev/sda. How do I install grub properly on /dev/sdh? |
| 15:30.55 | Diopter | oskie: bind-mount /sys and /proc and /dev to the new root, chroot into it, then grub-install |
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| 15:32.07 | themill | bolt: perhaps you were looking for "unstable". I don't think "sid" has changed in the last 6 months or so. |
| 15:32.45 | bolt | themill: ah. that was it :) |
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| 15:33.12 | themill | bolt: that said, "sid" is also quite appropriate here. |
| 15:33.36 | oskie | Diopter: ok, but I'm still a bit unsure how grub will realize that /dev/sdh will later become (hd0) at boot time |
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| 15:34.00 | bolt | themill: sure, but "unstable" gets the point across better, i think |
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| 15:35.14 | Diopter | oskie: Well, if you're using grub2, just the grub-install doesn't care about the drive names. When you run update-grub to generate a grub.cfg, it should just use the drive UUIDs |
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| 15:35.48 | Diopter | oskie: Just check the /boot/grub/grub.cfg that's generated. |
| 15:35.56 | lasers` | What would be the nice way to clean /tmp ? |
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| 15:36.56 | Trewas | lasers`: tmpreaper |
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| 15:39.38 | oskie | ok, let's hope this works |
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| 15:41.23 | paw | I'm seeing a problem in X (that or my window manager) where keyboard input doesn't seem to be accepted, I need to change the focus to a different terminal and then back before it accepts keyboard input. is this a known issue? |
| 15:41.42 | paw | (running debian testing) |
| 15:41.54 | lasers` | Trewas: Ah thanks. It still wasn't enough. (I used /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh start) |
| 15:42.12 | lasers` | Trewas: Using a --target ; temporary tmp. |
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| 15:45.39 | fasta | Is the version format of packages standardized in Debian? |
| 15:46.07 | fasta | I am referring to what is in Versions when I run apt-cache showpkg |
| 15:46.20 | stew | fasta: see 5.6.12 in the debian policy manual |
| 15:46.23 | fasta | I want to do such operations as comparing versions, etc. |
| 15:46.31 | fasta | Thanks |
| 15:46.38 | stew | fasta: the ONLY way you should ever compare versions is with dpkg --compare-versions |
| 15:47.23 | fasta | stew: and which 'versions' can I put in as arguments? I.e. can I put in apt-cache showpkg output? |
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| 15:47.34 | stew | for example: dpkg --compare-versions 1:1.0-1~1 gt 1:1.0~1-1~1 && echo yes |
| 15:47.48 | stew | dpkg --compare-versions 1:1.0-1~1 lt 1:1.0~1-1~1 && echo yes || echo no |
| 15:47.49 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, stew |
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| 15:48.06 | fasta | stew: I have a version like 8.2+101. |
| 15:48.14 | themill | fasta: the logic for these comparisons exists in perl, python and postgres modules btw. Possibly also in C somewhere. |
| 15:48.29 | stew | sure |
| 15:48.29 | themill | fasta: you always have 2 versions when you're comparing them. |
| 15:48.40 | stew | just don't try to go writing your own |
| 15:48.54 | themill | nih nih! |
| 15:49.06 | stew | fasta: ok? |
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| 15:49.42 | fasta | I won't write my own, but can you recommend a specific Python module? |
| 15:49.53 | mikunos | hi guys why I get these errors ? |
| 15:49.53 | mikunos | http://pastie.org/4080669 |
| 15:49.57 | themill | python-debian |
| 15:50.03 | fasta | I think dpkg --compare is also ok. I will try that first. |
| 15:50.13 | mikunos | -->> error --> ./proc/18589/task/18589/fd/5' |
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| 15:50.53 | stew | mikunos: the /proc filesystem isn't a real filesystem its full of fake files which let you examine the state of the running kernel (which is always changing) |
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| 15:51.09 | mikunos | hi stew |
| 15:51.12 | mikunos | thanks |
| 15:51.51 | stew | mikunos: so sometime between the time that find get a directory listing for ./proc/18589/task/18589/ and the time that it tried to look at those files, process 18589 closed a file, making the file descriptor go away |
| 15:51.54 | fasta | stew: do you know whether those files are written on demand, btw? |
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| 15:52.03 | stew | mikunos: possibly because 18589 was actually the find process itself |
| 15:52.21 | stew | fasta: what files? the Packages.gz file? |
| 15:52.24 | fasta | I would expect that to be the case, i.e. that they are only created when they are requested. |
| 15:52.30 | fasta | stew: no, /proc stuff. |
| 15:52.47 | fasta | It would be a terrible waste otherwise. |
| 15:52.47 | stew | fasta: they aren't written, they are peeking directly at kernel memory |
| 15:53.24 | fasta | stew: so you are saying that the information is generated anyway. |
| 15:53.43 | fasta | stew: considering that most of the time nobody cares about that information, it seems rather wasteful. |
| 15:53.49 | stew | fasta: no |
| 15:54.05 | fasta | stew: why not? |
| 15:54.10 | stew | fasta: you are missing the point |
| 15:54.21 | fasta | stew: No, I do understand what you say. |
| 15:54.22 | stew | fasta: yes, the kernel cares about this stuff all the time, or else the kernel wouldn't function |
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| 15:54.41 | fasta | stew: are you saying that all of it is fundamental and that there is no derived information? |
| 15:54.46 | stew | fasta: yes |
| 15:55.10 | stew | fasta: well, ok, when you try to read from one of those files, there is information in the form of formatting added |
| 15:55.19 | stew | fasta: and yes, taht would be on-demand |
| 15:55.31 | fasta | stew: ok, well, if I find something which is not fundamental, I will let you know :) |
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| 15:55.52 | Onionnion | I'm having some package problems, running Squeeze. I need to install libcairo2-dev which is at 1.8 in the stable, but it needs the same version of libcairo2 which is 1.10 in the repo. I tried running apt-get -5 debian-backports install libcairo2-dev but it doesn't want to work |
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| 15:56.13 | Onionnion | -t* |
| 15:56.58 | pzn | I need to ask about imap/mailserver in a specif way (creating read-only mail accounts). that will be implemented in debian. does anyone know a good mailing-list or irc channel to ask specific things about this subject? |
| 15:57.09 | Onionnion | Same thing with libpixman-1-dev |
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| 15:58.25 | patient | but can you install other stuff from backports Onionnion ? |
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| 15:59.04 | titii | Hey guys, I am not server developer, I am webdizajner, so can you help me? I need to make a file for fetch mail into root like /root/.fetchmailrc but there is no /root folder |
| 15:59.05 | Onionnion | patient, it looks as-if it's not trying to install from backport when I do -t debian-backports |
| 15:59.26 | patient | i think it's -t squeeze-backports |
| 15:59.29 | titii | can i make it into /home? |
| 15:59.32 | themill | Onionnion: the release is called "squeeze-backports" not "debian-backports" |
| 15:59.49 | Onionnion | ohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 15:59.52 | superstraw | webdizajner? |
| 15:59.55 | Onionnion | slaps himself |
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| 16:00.35 | titii | superstraw: yea? |
| 16:00.39 | Onionnion | thanks patient + themill |
| 16:00.49 | patient | ;) |
| 16:01.00 | superstraw | webdesigner? |
| 16:01.16 | titii | superstraw: I am as I sad |
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| 16:02.15 | superstraw | ah, slovakia |
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| 16:03.46 | titii | superstraw: Is there some problem man, or can you help me? I dont understant you. whats going on? |
| 16:04.13 | karlpinc` | Are there any recommendations for a tool for filling out pdf forms? (I see that pdftk can do it. I seem to recall that some people don't like pdftk. I forget why.) |
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| 16:05.55 | Jayrays | is there a way to remove gnome-bluetooth without removing gnome? |
| 16:06.12 | nyuszika7h | Is there an Alt-F2 or similiar in Openbox or should I rely on using a terminal emulator? |
| 16:06.18 | nyuszika7h | (I'm using pure Openbox right now) |
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| 16:08.29 | stew | Jayrays: see here: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/ |
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| 16:09.23 | stew | Jayrays: summary: you can probably not avoid removing the package name "gnome" but that is okay, as it is a package without content, just existing to depend on other stuff, you can avoid all the other stuff from also getting removed though |
| 16:09.55 | Jayrays | ah okay, thanks. |
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| 16:10.01 | simonlnu | nyuszika7h: set up a combo to launch something like grun2 or something |
| 16:10.09 | simonlnu | er, key combo |
| 16:10.26 | nyuszika7h | Ok |
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| 16:11.29 | mikunos | stew I need to delete something in my box but I don't understand where are the huge files |
| 16:12.45 | simonlnu | nyuszika7h: <keyboard> [...] <keybind key="A-F2"><action name="Execute"><execute>grun</execute></action></keybind> [...] </keyboard> |
| 16:12.57 | nyuszika7h | Thanks |
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| 16:13.54 | boudiccas | mikunos: you'll have to be more explicit. delete what? what huge files? |
| 16:14.05 | stew | mikunos: "du -xh /mountpoint | sort -h | less " where /mountpoint is the filesystem that is full, that will sort all the directories by size and tell you where to start |
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| 16:17.31 | dagwod | hi anyone, good in proftpd? :) |
| 16:17.56 | karlpinc` | !tell dagwod about anyone |
| 16:18.33 | karlpinc` | dagwod: I've always preferred to avoid ftp. But if you must go there, I like vsftpd. YMMV. |
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| 16:19.42 | dagwod | oki sorry!! i install proftpd with apt, but i don't have the file /var/run/proftpd.scoreboard - so ftpwho does not work |
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| 16:20.07 | dagwod | i create myself that file but after i stop the daemon....the file disapears.... :) |
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| 16:27.26 | mikunos | thanks guys |
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| 16:33.55 | jhutchins_lt | dagwod: There may be a README.Debian file in /usr/share/docs/proftp*/ |
| 16:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | dagwod: Stuff in /var/run is usually created by the process and deleted when it exits, that's expected behavior. |
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| 16:36.24 | jhutchins_lt | dagwod: Check the README files, they should tell you what's necessary to get it started. |
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| 16:39.01 | DJ | hey anyone wants to buy the email debian@hotmail.com let me know |
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| 16:40.13 | petemc | now theres an offer you can refuse |
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| 16:42.59 | superstraw | lo |
| 16:43.00 | superstraw | l |
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| 16:44.11 | superstraw | that's illegal to "sell" hotmail email addresses. |
| 16:44.18 | superstraw | or at least against their TOS |
| 16:44.34 | themill | superstraw: you can just ignore the spam |
| 16:44.53 | superstraw | mmkay |
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| 16:48.00 | ruin2it3 | what's a good place to get some tips? |
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| 16:49.57 | dkr | ruin2it3: playing a flute on the subway |
| 16:50.31 | dkr | ruin2it3: or http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 16:51.06 | dkr | or the release notes |
| 16:51.08 | ruin2it3 | thanks for the link - I suck playing flute |
| 16:51.52 | ruin2it3 | also, how can I access the old school xconfig? |
| 16:52.33 | dondelelcaro | ruin2it3: you almost certainly don't want xconfig. |
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| 16:52.46 | dagwod | karlpinc` i install vsftpd :) it works just fine, i want to change connection port can you help me? |
| 16:53.22 | dondelelcaro | ruin2it3: if you have an odd setup, you can use Xorg -config example_config to generate an example configuration, but normally you should just be able to run X without a configuration file. |
| 16:53.57 | calrogman | dagwod: ftp_data_port=1234 in /etc/vsftpd.conf |
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| 16:54.05 | calrogman | dagwod: Also, read the manual. |
| 16:54.30 | ruin2it3 | the autoconfig for this machine gives me the r200 driver/firmware which doesn't work with this 9000/9100IGP |
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| 16:54.40 | ruediger | hi |
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| 16:55.13 | ruin2it3 | tried just using the ati supplied, but yeah.... |
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| 16:57.53 | ruin2it3 | been away from linux too long |
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| 16:58.05 | ruin2it3 | even kpackage is gone :/ |
| 16:58.13 | calrogman | ruin2it3: The Radeon 9000 cards are part of the Radeon R200 family. |
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| 16:58.40 | ruediger | I have some trouble creating a deb package. I have a directory debian/ containing all the required files and a file .orig.tar.gz containing the source. I thought if I call debuild -S oder dpkg-source -b it will use the code from the orig file and the data from the debian directory and create the package. However when I try to build the package it does not contain the source |
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| 16:59.16 | stew | ruediger: what is the name of the .orig.tar.gz? |
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| 16:59.52 | ruediger | stew: vobsub2srt_1.0pre2.orig.tar.gz |
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| 16:59.56 | ruin2it3 | 9000/9100 IGP is as well? this is a laptop with onboard/integrated - same chip family? |
| 17:00.10 | dagwod | calrogman i can't find ftp_data_port in vsftpd.conf |
| 17:00.11 | ruediger | stew: 1.0pre2 is the version string |
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| 17:00.22 | stew | ruediger: where is the .orig.tar.gz located? |
| 17:00.32 | stew | ruediger: vobsub2srt is the exact source pacakge name? |
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| 17:00.52 | ruediger | in a directory called vobsub2srt_1.0pre2 containing the debian directory |
| 17:00.54 | matlads | ruin2it3: kpackage is there in sid |
| 17:00.57 | ruediger | stew: yes |
| 17:01.21 | stew | ruediger: it should be in a directory above |
| 17:01.33 | matlads | ruin2it3: but only for m68k :| |
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| 17:02.08 | calrogman | dagwod: Please run `grep "READ THIS" -A 2 /etc/vsftpd.conf' and come back when you've taken what it says to heart. |
| 17:02.13 | ruediger | stew: but I should call debuild -S from the directory? |
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| 17:03.02 | stew | ruediger: you should be in the vobsub2srt_1.0pre2 directory when you call debbuild. there should be a ./debian/rules and a ../$pacakgename_$version.orig.tar.gz |
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| 17:05.15 | ruin2it3 | is there any way to dump the config from knoppix so it can be used in real debian? it gets the hardware correct and allows KDE/Gnome3 to load correctly |
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| 17:06.36 | calrogman | ruin2it3: Yes, even the 9100/9000IGP cards. I've got a system with one of those on the other side of the room. The r200 firmware works. As does Xorg's auto-configuration. |
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| 17:07.10 | ruediger | stew: yes. But I still have the same problem. When I try to run debuild -b it doesn't seem to extract the source code from the orig file |
| 17:08.00 | stew | ruin2it3: which driver does knoppix use? |
| 17:08.12 | stew | ruin2it3: what does "head -1 debian/changelog" return? |
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| 17:08.25 | stew | ruin2it3: err, that second one wasn't for you, it was for ruediger |
| 17:08.53 | ruediger | vobsub2srt (1.0pre2) precise; urgency=low |
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| 17:10.04 | ruin2it3 | calrogman it reads off 9000/9100 IGP as the hardware - on boot wheezy is spitting out errors about the r200 firmware |
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| 17:10.20 | dagwod | calrogman - i got it, 10x |
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| 17:11.45 | ruediger | stew: vobsub2srt (1.0pre2) precise; urgency=low |
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| 17:16.51 | Onionnion | I need autoconf >=2.58. but when I run autoconf -V it says I have 2.67 but the "Debian wrapper script" chooses 2.50. I'm confused at this |
| 17:17.14 | calrogman | ruin2it3: "spitting out errors" doesn't help unless you share the errors. http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 17:17.46 | simonlnu | Onionnion: probably an alternative thingy you need to configure |
| 17:17.52 | simonlnu | !alternatives |
| 17:17.53 | dpkg | from memory, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
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| 17:18.36 | Onionnion | simonlnu, thanks |
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| 17:23.02 | oskie | I recently upgraded to wheezy, and now bootlogd doesn't work (nothing logged). Am I on my own or is there help |
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| 17:24.28 | Onionnion | blah. simonlnu, I keep getting "no alternatives for autoconf |
| 17:24.30 | Onionnion | " |
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| 17:24.59 | sec | hi |
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| 17:25.35 | sec | somebody knows how I can disable tapping while I do vertical scrolling in my touchpad (macbook pro)??? When I do vertical scrolling with two fingers sometimes occur accidental touches (tap). I use touchpad (macbook pro 2010) with synaptic driver for xorg |
| 17:26.30 | oskie | my problem had a simple fix: apt-get install bootlogd |
| 17:26.41 | Diopter | sec: synclient. TapButton1, 2 and 3. |
| 17:27.13 | sec | Diopter: but only "while" I do scrolling |
| 17:27.49 | Diopter | Oh. er... probably not. |
| 17:27.56 | Diopter | syndaemon will disable the touchpad while typing, but.. |
| 17:28.09 | sec | yes |
| 17:28.13 | sec | but i need with scrolling |
| 17:28.30 | sec | the experience is very bad with the touchpad in linux |
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| 17:29.17 | sec | Diopter: and syndaemon is embebed in xorg |
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| 17:29.36 | simonlnu | Onionnion: ok, np, install another version maybe, then make symlinks locally to what you want perhaps |
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| 17:32.16 | tharkun | Thus far for every url that shows your ip I've got a different answer, Does that mean that my isp is mean enough to have several exit gateways so getting back in is only done through a stablished connection? |
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| 17:33.46 | stew | oskie: is bootlogd installed? |
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| 17:35.01 | oskie | stew: yeah, I just realized it wasn't :) |
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| 17:35.28 | oskie | anyone know how to get the /run directory properly set up in wheezy? |
| 17:35.34 | stew | DID YOU TRY TURNING IT ON? |
| 17:35.45 | stew | oskie: look at the base-files postinst script about /run |
| 17:35.54 | oskie | ah, it is created now. seems that upgrading sysvinit fixed it (I think) |
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| 17:36.32 | oskie | stew: ah. it seems I didn't upgrade all packages to wheezy yet :) |
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| 17:42.01 | ruediger | stew: I think I found the error. For some reason I had format set to 3.0 (native) and it should be 3.0 (quilt) |
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| 17:47.08 | ruin2it3 | http://paste.debian.net/174344/ - the xorg log |
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| 17:48.29 | ruin2it3 | calogman - any particular log fle that may contain pertinent info? |
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| 17:49.52 | stew | ruin2it3: what are the actual errors it is spitting out? |
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| 18:10.56 | nyuszika7h | Please help! |
| 18:10.58 | nyuszika7h | root@ymlyna:~# aticonfig --initial |
| 18:11.00 | nyuszika7h | aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
| 18:11.26 | calrogman | ruin2it3: Hey, didn't see you coming back in. /var/log/kern.log is where firmware loading is logged. It's probably helpful. |
| 18:11.28 | tharkun | What is a WebHive ? |
| 18:11.33 | bolt | nyuszika7h: either you don't have a supported adapter, or aticonfig is broken in unstable |
| 18:11.45 | nyuszika7h | fglrx worked in Ubuntu... |
| 18:11.55 | calrogman | Debian isn't Ubuntu. |
| 18:11.58 | nyuszika7h | I really hope I don't have to stick with the open source radeon drivers D: |
| 18:11.59 | nyuszika7h | I know |
| 18:12.05 | bolt | nyuszika7h: and unstable isn't stable |
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| 18:12.23 | nyuszika7h | Minecraft is unplayable with the radeon drivers :/ |
| 18:12.25 | ruin2it3 | and too big for pastebin |
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| 18:12.46 | calrogman | grep it for firmware then... |
| 18:12.49 | archetech2 | z |
| 18:12.51 | bolt | nyuszika7h: install squeeze. minecraft runs perfectly on it, i assure you |
| 18:13.03 | nyuszika7h | bolt: I'm 99% sure it's not sid |
| 18:13.14 | nyuszika7h | I only have Openbox, nothing that could eat resources |
| 18:13.18 | bolt | ... |
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| 18:13.38 | bolt | "resource eating" has nothing to do with aticonfig's ability to find supported adapters |
| 18:13.42 | nyuszika7h | I had the same problems with open source drivers on Ubuntu, Mint etc. |
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| 18:13.54 | nyuszika7h | (Minecraft having low FPS) |
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| 18:14.34 | bolt | nyuszika7h: what i meant is that if you have driver issues on a supported release, you might have better luck getting help for it |
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| 18:15.13 | bolt | nyuszika7h: heck, it might even just work. like i said, aticonfig might be broken in sid |
| 18:16.07 | nyuszika7h | If it's broken in sid, then it's apparently broken in wheezy, too |
| 18:16.20 | nyuszika7h | (I just tried with aptitude -t testing install fglrx-driver) |
| 18:16.21 | ruin2it3 | lets try this one http://paste.debian.net/174351/ |
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| 18:16.48 | ruin2it3 | and apt can't find the broadcom installer |
| 18:16.51 | clawfire | Hi everyone, I got a question. After a package update on my debian server, I got a Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
| 18:16.55 | ruin2it3 | wheeee |
| 18:17.57 | stew | clawfire: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:19.03 | clawfire | don't sure, can't find with uname. Just a minute |
| 18:19.26 | calrogman | ruin2it3: do you actually have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 18:19.36 | clawfire | Debian 4.1.1-21 |
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| 18:19.50 | clawfire | Linux version 2.6.18-xenU (package@build1-n) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) |
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| 18:20.16 | stew | clawfire: so i guess that is etch? |
| 18:20.22 | stew | wo obsolete for a few years now |
| 18:20.26 | WaitiGer | hello i have some problems installing the testing daily build |
| 18:20.27 | calrogman | clawfire: Try catting /etc/debian_version :-) |
| 18:20.44 | stew | WaitiGer: did you read the errata? |
| 18:20.57 | clawfire | 6.0.5 pour la debian version |
| 18:20.58 | clawfire | :) |
| 18:21.12 | WaitiGer | Debian can't install BussyBox |
| 18:21.17 | clawfire | opus sorry , my french :p so it's 6.0.5 |
| 18:21.25 | stew | WaitiGer: I believe that was expetec |
| 18:21.36 | stew | clawfire: so you must be running a mix of 3 or so different releases |
| 18:21.43 | jelly-home | DeBussyBox makes lovely music |
| 18:21.49 | WaitiGer | yes i did |
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| 18:22.04 | clawfire | stew: how it's possible ? Oo |
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| 18:22.18 | stew | WaitiGer: so yes, you verified that one of the two known issues still exists |
| 18:22.32 | stew | WaitiGer: see "Current" near the bottom of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 18:23.31 | nyuszika7h | Woo! |
| 18:23.31 | stew | clawfire: well, if you see 6.0.5 whihc is current, then we know you are running the current release. however a current udev would not be working with a 2.6.18 kernel, in fact the previous release wouldn't work with a 2.6.18 kernel, the 2.6.18 kernel was current two releases ago |
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| 18:23.38 | nyuszika7h | I downgraded Xorg to the squeeze version and aticonfig works \o/ |
| 18:23.50 | nyuszika7h | fglrx and fglrx-control from squeeze as well |
| 18:23.52 | stew | clawfire: anyway, waht version of the mysql-server package is installed? |
| 18:24.19 | clawfire | stew: mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.61, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 6.1 |
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| 18:24.36 | stew | clawfire: is it installed from a debian package? |
| 18:24.45 | stew | clawfire: what version of the debian package? |
| 18:25.11 | WaitiGer | stew, thx was using the DI a1 before |
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| 18:26.08 | stew | WaitiGer: these things you should be using if you are trying to test and troubleshoot and bugfix the installer, not if your goal is to actually install debian |
| 18:26.19 | stew | WaitiGer: if your actual goal is to install debian, use the stable installer |
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| 18:26.43 | clawfire | stew: yep and how can I found this info ? |
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| 18:26.53 | WaitiGer | which one should i use? |
| 18:27.01 | stew | WaitiGer: a netinst |
| 18:27.04 | WaitiGer | or could you please tell me the link? |
| 18:27.08 | WaitiGer | ok |
| 18:27.15 | stew | WaitiGer: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
| 18:27.48 | WaitiGer | are you talking about alpha1 ? |
| 18:27.57 | stew | no, that is a testing installer |
| 18:27.59 | stew | you want a stable installer |
| 18:28.12 | WaitiGer | i need alpha1 |
| 18:28.14 | stew | (and then if you want, upgrade from stable to testing) |
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| 18:28.19 | stew | WaitiGer: why do you need that installer? |
| 18:28.23 | nsadmin | why? |
| 18:28.25 | WaitiGer | cloud |
| 18:28.36 | WaitiGer | xcp-xapi |
| 18:28.36 | stew | excellent |
| 18:28.46 | stew | WaitiGer: why do you need the alpha1 installer? |
| 18:28.56 | stew | WaitiGer: what does "cloud" mean? |
| 18:29.01 | petemc | its nebulous |
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| 18:29.08 | AthomIk | hello all |
| 18:29.13 | stew | (I ask that question all the time, :) ) |
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| 18:29.26 | stew | clawfire: what happens when you try to start mysql? how are you trying to start it. did you check the mysql logs? |
| 18:29.38 | AthomIk | i use Guillemot Corp. Hercules HWNUp-150 802.11n Wireless N Pico [Realtek RTL8188CUS] for wifi connection |
| 18:29.45 | nsadmin | WaitiGer, get the stable installer; you can upgrade to anything you want later |
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| 18:29.55 | AthomIk | but with debian drivers, i haven t network connection |
| 18:30.22 | clawfire | stew: when i try to invoke it with mysl command I got ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) and about the deamon, i got absolutly nothing |
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| 18:30.46 | cusco | apt-cache search rtl81 |
| 18:30.54 | stew | clawfire: did you recently upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 18:30.58 | stew | clawfire: like since this broke? |
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| 18:31.19 | clawfire | It's broke just after the update :( |
| 18:31.25 | clawfire | yep |
| 18:31.42 | jelly-home | sounds like a case of "mysqld not installed" |
| 18:31.50 | nsadmin | clawfire, mysq; server installed? |
| 18:31.52 | stew | or a case of "skip-bdb" |
| 18:32.03 | jelly-home | wasn't skip-bdb etch->lenny? |
| 18:32.13 | AthomIk | i have firmware-realtek |
| 18:32.15 | stew | or a case of "when you use a 6 year old kernel, eventually stuff stops working if you keep upgrading everything" |
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| 18:32.33 | stew | i can't remember if mysql was one of those things, I think it might be |
| 18:32.34 | jelly-home | true, I can't set up a whezzy chroot on a RHEL5 |
| 18:33.01 | jelly-home | wheeeeee Fezzik. |
| 18:33.02 | AthomIk | but i must make this in blacklist.conf >> blacklist rtl8192cu and compile new drivers |
| 18:33.03 | stew | clawfire: what happens if you run "mysqld" as root? |
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| 18:33.58 | stew | clawfire: why haven't you upgraded your kernel as you moved to new debian versions? |
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| 18:35.11 | clawfire | stew: command not found |
| 18:35.30 | clawfire | stew: I think it was done :s |
| 18:35.37 | stew | clawfire: what was? |
| 18:35.57 | stew | clawfire: what does "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1" say for "Installed:"? |
| 18:36.02 | nyuszika7h | How can I change the framebuffer resolution (using fglrx)? |
| 18:36.07 | clawfire | stew: the kernel updatE. I don't do the update, just get the server as this after the update by a co worker |
| 18:36.27 | nyuszika7h | Last time I checked, it supports at least 1024x768, but it's like 800x600 or 640x480 now |
| 18:36.32 | clawfire | stew: mysql-server-5.1: |
| 18:36.32 | clawfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.34 | clawfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.35 | clawfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.37 | clawfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.38 | clawfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.39 | clawfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.40 | clawfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.49 | stew | clawfire: no, the kernel you are running is seriously from 2006 or 2007 |
| 18:37.06 | stew | clawfire: please don't flood this channel, but see the "Installed: (none)" ? mysql-server isn't installed |
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| 18:37.26 | clawfire | stew: ok ... bad bad bad . How can I upgrade it ? :s |
| 18:37.32 | stew | clawfire: when you said "mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.61, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 6.1" where did that information come from? |
| 18:37.50 | stew | clawfire: when you say "upgrade it" you mean "install it"? |
| 18:38.11 | stew | clawfire: "apt-get install mysql-server" |
| 18:38.58 | stew | (I think we still have a chance for the skip-bdb error yet!) |
| 18:39.26 | nsadmin | stew, I think by "upgrade it" he may have meant the kernel |
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| 18:39.45 | stew | oh, maybe |
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| 18:39.57 | ompaul | would tasksel be useful? |
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| 18:40.15 | nsadmin | for selling tasks, yes |
| 18:40.29 | ompaul | puts nsadmin in a box and mails him to himself |
| 18:40.33 | clawfire | stew: from mysql --version |
| 18:40.49 | stew | ok, yeah, that's just the client |
| 18:40.50 | nsadmin | OHBOY! I GOT A PACKAGE! |
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| 18:41.14 | clawfire | stew: the apt-get install mysql-serve ask me to installe mysql-server-5.1 |
| 18:41.28 | stew | clawfire: yes, that is expected |
| 18:41.33 | clawfire | it was installer before the system upgrade. WTF ? |
| 18:41.53 | stew | clawfire: who ever did the upgrade let it get removed as part of the upgrade (probably by not paying close attention) |
| 18:42.10 | stew | clawfire: did you, in fact, just get upgraded from some previous release to squeeze? |
| 18:42.22 | stew | clawfire: from debian 4.0 or 5.0 to debian 6? |
| 18:42.26 | nsadmin | clawfire, shrug, what can you do... the system upgrade may have removed it |
| 18:42.41 | stew | it may have. but not without saying it would happen |
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| 18:42.52 | nsadmin | sure |
| 18:42.54 | stew | i'll bet this is a case of stable in sources.list |
| 18:43.25 | nsadmin | oh, good point |
| 18:43.41 | clawfire | stew: idk, let e check the sources.list |
| 18:44.11 | nsadmin | before you do that,,,, could you install libapp-nopaste-perl? |
| 18:44.16 | clawfire | stew: upgrade from previous to squeeze |
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| 18:44.25 | nsadmin | it might ask for lots of perl modules |
| 18:44.36 | clawfire | nsadmin: me ? |
| 18:44.42 | stew | clawfire: so whoever did the upgrade didn't follow our recommended procedure (in chpater 4 of the squeeze release notes) |
| 18:44.43 | nsadmin | yes please |
| 18:44.51 | nsadmin | \clawfire, yes please |
| 18:44.56 | clawfire | nsadmin: running |
| 18:45.16 | clawfire | stew: I guess. Can't be really sure but ... |
| 18:45.19 | clawfire | nsadmin: done |
| 18:45.25 | nsadmin | it might want a handful of other perl modules... they're all tiny |
| 18:45.31 | redragonx | Random question: Has someone gotten diablo 3 to go full screen |
| 18:45.46 | nsadmin | oh, cool :) now, nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:46.11 | nsadmin | we want the url at the very bottom (it might throw a coupla errors before that) |
| 18:49.00 | clawfire | stew: deb http://mirrors.gandi.net/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 18:49.01 | clawfire | deb http://mirrors.gandi.net/gandi/debian squeeze main |
| 18:49.02 | clawfire | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:49.03 | clawfire | deb ftp://ftp.gplhost.fr/debian squeeze main |
| 18:49.04 | clawfire | #deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile squeeze/volatile main |
| 18:49.11 | stew | clawfire: do not flood this channel |
| 18:49.20 | stew | clawfire: use a pastebin |
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| 18:49.43 | nsadmin | clawfire, try this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
| 18:49.52 | nsadmin | just to watch it work |
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| 18:49.59 | stew | uuoc! |
| 18:50.07 | nsadmin | yes I know |
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| 18:51.05 | clawfire | nsadmin: Could not construct paste link :D |
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| 18:51.55 | nsadmin | ok, that might fix itserlf as we get your system more stablized |
| 18:51.59 | stew | its not really important, as you've demonstrated you can copy and paste, just please don't do it here, if you have something to paste, please paste to somehting like paste.debian.net and give us the link instead |
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| 18:56.27 | nsadmin | so we know it's not stable-in-sourceslist |
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| 19:18.37 | oskie | does /etc/fstab.d work in wheezy? |
| 19:18.59 | clawfire | sorry |
| 19:19.18 | djp_ | hi. i have installed an application that can run under sdl, however i have to launch the app with sudo in order for it to work, otherwise it fails to start. does this mean i need to add my user to a certain group in order to run sdl apps in the framebuffer? |
| 19:19.21 | clawfire | stew: ok i'll do |
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| 19:20.27 | Silent | Hello all |
| 19:21.01 | clawfire | So i need to édit que sources.list file ? |
| 19:21.08 | stew | clawfire: no, it looked fine |
| 19:21.32 | djp_ | i should add... the app runs fine without sudo if run from a terminal under x |
| 19:21.34 | Silent | Hi there stew. How are you today? |
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| 19:22.02 | stew | kicking ass |
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| 19:22.15 | Silent | That's the spirit! |
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| 19:23.07 | clawfire | stew : so now ? try to relaunch it ? I install the mysql 5.1 |
| 19:23.30 | stew | clawfire: if you've installed the mysql-server package, then yes, you can try starting it again |
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| 19:24.03 | stew | clawfire: I think it might be a good idea to run apt-show-versions and look for what packages on your system might be cruft |
| 19:24.06 | clawfire | my post upgrade script (who rebuild the db and vhost) seems find |
| 19:24.52 | clawfire | stew: command not found ? |
| 19:25.43 | Onionnion | how do I install a package from wheezy when I'm in squeeze? |
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| 19:26.15 | dkr | Onionnion: check backports, first |
| 19:26.23 | stew | Onionnion: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:26.28 | stew | clawfire: install it? |
| 19:26.57 | Onionnion | dkr, did check backports and the version I was wanting is in wheezy, not backport |
| 19:27.06 | clawfire | stew: yen :) |
| 19:27.50 | clawfire | stew: s/yen/yep (sorry, osx autocorrect ... I'm french and it try to place french words ...) |
| 19:28.36 | clawfire | stew: ok so I got many lines with all my packages i guess |
| 19:29.06 | clawfire | stew: nothing to update |
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| 19:29.45 | stew | clawfire: what is listed by "apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate" |
| 19:31.30 | clawfire | stew: http://paste.debian.net/174363/ |
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| 19:33.01 | stew | clawfire: well, that's a bunch of obsolete packages, but they aren't a huge deal. that is better than I expected |
| 19:33.28 | stew | clawfire: I would find out from whoever is in chanrge, why you are still running a 6 year old kernel |
| 19:33.38 | clawfire | stew: got some unused package, did i remove them with autoremove ? |
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| 19:34.40 | clawfire | stew: I think the guy who is in charge of upgrading server from distrib to the new one don't know how to do it, so hé never did it ? |
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| 19:37.19 | clawfire | stew: just read the upgrade charter on debian.org, I think the guy don't do the 4.6 part |
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| 19:38.30 | clawfire | stew: an apt-cache search linux-image-2.6- return this http://paste.debian.net/174364/ |
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| 19:39.33 | clawfire | uname -r get me 2.6.18-xenu so i should use linux-image-2.6-xen-686 ? |
| 19:39.35 | stew | clawfire: yes, but I'd not upgrade since you are currently running a custom kernel, without talking to whoever knows why you are running a custom kernel |
| 19:40.06 | stew | (or why it was not upgraded when you moved from etch to lenny, or why it was not upgraded when you moved from lenny to squeeze) |
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| 19:41.48 | clawfire | stew: as I just say, we can assume it's a 'I don't read after apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 19:43.02 | stew | if you wish |
| 19:43.22 | clawfire | stew: but, the server is running on the gandi.net infrastructure |
| 19:43.24 | stew | clawfire: is this either a domU or a dom0? |
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| 19:43.44 | clawfire | maybe they use some custom kernel |
| 19:45.04 | nyuszika7h | Hi |
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| 19:45.41 | Guest76048 | i have a strange issue in Debian Squeeze, I just installed the Google Chrome browser, and the text on web pages id much thinner and difficult to read than those in Iceweasel, is there any way to remedy this? |
| 19:45.55 | clawfire | ok seems they just have a script to load kernel module. Nothing about custom kernel |
| 19:46.03 | nyuszika7h | Since I installed fglrx-driver, my framebuffer resolution is 800x600, 640x680 or so. That's normal, but when I removed it and reverted to the open source radeon drivers, I still have the low resolution framebuffer. |
| 19:46.15 | clawfire | stew: i got a linux-image-2.6-xen-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package), Xen dom0 support |
| 19:46.16 | Diopter | Guest76048: Probably missing some fonts that provide aliases Chrome expects. |
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| 19:46.21 | nyuszika7h | I have firmware-linux-free - which was the key to the high resolution framebuffer in the first place - installed. |
| 19:46.31 | Diopter | Guest76048: Try apt-get install ttf-dejavu and/or ttf-liberation, see if it improves. |
| 19:46.55 | Guest76048 | Diopter: i see, but i did however install the ms corefonts, but that didn't seem to help |
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| 19:47.30 | Guest76048 | Diopter: ok, will try those fonts too, thanks |
| 19:48.27 | clawfire | stew: so just a apt-get installe linux-image-2.6-xen-686 ? |
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| 19:49.09 | stew | clawfire: i don't know. s/installe/install/ and that is the correct command to install that package, I do not know if this is a good idea or not |
| 19:49.49 | gob_bluth | i have an issue with an encrypted system, i'm trying to unlock it in the installer and i'm seeing: 'check that kernel supports aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher' ... i used an anna-install crypto-modules cryptsetup-udeb .. am i missing any other packages ? |
| 19:49.56 | clawfire | stew: yep. damn autocorrect |
| 19:52.12 | nyuszika7h | Please help me, what am I doing wrong< |
| 19:52.15 | nyuszika7h | ?* |
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| 19:53.22 | clawfire | stew: Update disk device IDs in system configuration? |
| 19:53.23 | calrogman | nyuszika7h: Have you done a depmod recently? |
| 19:54.17 | nyuszika7h | calrogman: I don't think so, unless installing fglrx-driver or downgrading Xorg implies that |
| 19:54.17 | clawfire | stew: gasp i got this screen http://paste.debian.net/174366/ |
| 19:54.34 | nyuszika7h | I have undone those actions via aptitude, still low resolution framebuffer |
| 19:55.24 | calrogman | nyuszika7h: Do a quick sudo depmod and then try rebooting. |
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| 19:55.46 | user101 | when will comeout debian 7? |
| 19:56.05 | jordanm | user101: when its ready |
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| 19:56.22 | user101 | any idea? more or less? |
| 19:56.22 | stew | user101: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ <- when the green line hits zero |
| 19:56.28 | stew | user101: probably 2012 or 2013 |
| 19:56.47 | stew | clawfire: which boot loader are you using? |
| 19:57.33 | stew | clawfire: but yes, this is generally a good idea to use UUIDs |
| 19:57.43 | stew | clawfire: is udev installed? if so which version? |
| 19:58.14 | clawfire | stew: good question :s . I think it's better to ask someone qualified to mount a new server, up to date and migrate data ... |
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| 19:58.18 | clawfire | udev not installed |
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| 20:00.57 | stew | oh boy |
| 20:01.16 | stew | actually, how on earth did you install that kernel without udev? |
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| 20:01.57 | clawfire | actually this is an automated install from years and fore sure , bad upgraded |
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| 20:03.35 | nyuszika7h | calrogman: Neither of these (as root) helped (of course I rebooted): depmod, aptitude install firmware-linux, update-grub |
| 20:04.04 | clawfire | allright, stew the apache server finally go up. |
| 20:04.17 | calrogman | nyuszika7h: try putting "radeon" in /etc/modules? |
| 20:04.26 | clawfire | so the websites are up and i can now migrante all of them on a new hosting server :) |
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| 20:06.03 | nyuszika7h | fwiw it says module unix not found in modules.dep, but this happened earlier as well |
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| 20:07.00 | nyuszika7h | calogman thanks!! |
| 20:07.07 | nyuszika7h | modprobeing it fixed the video mode |
| 20:07.13 | nyuszika7h | Now is this normal |
| 20:07.19 | nyuszika7h | Only loop and radeon are there |
| 20:07.20 | calrogman | !beer nyuszika7h |
| 20:07.20 | dpkg | pours a pint of Gulden Drak for nyuszika7h |
| 20:07.23 | nyuszika7h | (radeon added by me) |
| 20:07.44 | clawfire | stew: a big thank you btw |
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| 20:08.17 | nyuszika7h | Now how to get out of recovery mode |
| 20:08.22 | nyuszika7h | reboot just does kexec |
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| 20:09.20 | nyuszika7h | SysRq, of course... |
| 20:09.23 | calrogman | nyuszika7h: Do a cold reboot instead. |
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| 20:09.45 | nyuszika7h | fuuu |
| 20:09.48 | Guest76048 | Diopter: it turned out i had those fonts installed already, i have taken a screenshot of the iceweasel fonts, and the chrome fonts, is there any place i can upload them so people can see the difference? |
| 20:09.52 | nyuszika7h | radeon not loaded with systemd now |
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| 20:10.18 | DDamned | Good evening. Question: Im gonna run ddrescue. Im copying from a 1TB external drive, to a 2TB internal drive. Does the target 2TB drive need to be blank? |
| 20:10.24 | Diopter | Guest76048: Probably quite a few places. Maybe imgur.com is quick and easy |
| 20:10.26 | nyuszika7h | radeon IS in /etc/modules |
| 20:10.31 | calrogman | uuuh, why are you using systemd nyuszika7h? |
| 20:10.38 | Guest76048 | Diopter: thanks |
| 20:10.46 | nyuszika7h | I like it, why not? |
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| 20:11.02 | calrogman | well for starters, it's not supported on debian... |
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| 20:11.19 | nyuszika7h | systemd+radeon worked fine before and with modprobe the module is loaded |
| 20:11.27 | nyuszika7h | Not supported? It's in the repos |
| 20:11.36 | kallisti | I'm trying to fix a broken system by reinstalling initramfs-tools but I'm getting a "fun" error. |
| 20:11.40 | calrogman | that doesn't mean it's workable... |
| 20:11.44 | kallisti | let me see if I can paste it from TTY |
| 20:11.55 | nyuszika7h | I have some systemd experience, calrogmsn |
| 20:11.58 | nyuszika7h | calrogman* |
| 20:12.14 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell kallisti about nopaste |
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| 20:12.54 | calrogman | nyuszika7h: Fair enough, but just because you've used it before on some other distro that like PulseAudio doesn't mean you're gonna have init scripts that work under systemd on Debian. |
| 20:13.27 | nyuszika7h | systemd worked fine until I messed with fglrx |
| 20:13.38 | jagginess | kallisti, echo a|xclip , midbutton pastes |
| 20:14.06 | nyuszika7h | Thanks for your time, but I think I'm gonna install Win7 for games tomorrow then Debian next to it, sticking with radeon drivers |
| 20:14.27 | nyuszika7h | (games mostly means Minecraft) |
| 20:14.33 | jagginess | nopaste never heard of it |
| 20:14.40 | jagginess | learns something new every day |
| 20:14.44 | calrogman | You know Debian has java too right? :-) |
| 20:14.52 | kallisti | I was going to use sprunge... |
| 20:14.53 | kallisti | but okay. |
| 20:14.57 | nyuszika7h | Yes but the performance |
| 20:15.05 | nyuszika7h | radeon = low FPS |
| 20:15.06 | jelly-home | kallisti: whatever works |
| 20:15.10 | kallisti | I think I need X to copy paste, no? |
| 20:15.15 | nyuszika7h | fglrx = max. 1024x768 fb |
| 20:15.19 | kallisti | xclip isn't working because I'm not in X |
| 20:15.25 | justin | nyuszika7h: by "low FPS" do you mean 60? |
| 20:15.26 | jagginess | kallisti, xclip is for X only |
| 20:15.39 | nyuszika7h | as opposed to 1366x768 (native) |
| 20:15.46 | jelly-home | kallisti: run stuff under "script", pastebin the log file somehow; or use screen or gpm to copy/pasta |
| 20:15.50 | nyuszika7h | justin: No, 10 or undrr that :/ |
| 20:15.53 | jagginess | kallisti, but, if you're in an xterm/gnometerm .. then it'll work |
| 20:15.56 | calrogman | yeah fair enough, i hope you don't have any drivers issues on Win 7, because getting free support for Windices is not easy. gl, hf. |
| 20:15.58 | kallisti | http://pastie.org/4082143 here I'll just type it |
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| 20:16.15 | justin | nyuszika7h: 10 sounds like DRI isn't actually working |
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| 20:17.16 | nyuszika7h | Anyway, I should be fine with Windows 7, then Debian next to it with grub in MBR, and an LVM filesystem for Debian? I don't care too much for now if I can't read the LVM from Windoes. |
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| 20:17.19 | nyuszika7h | Windows* |
| 20:17.38 | jelly-home | kallisti: huh. versions of initramfs-tools and module-init-tools installed? |
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| 20:17.40 | raden | i keep getting : INIT: id "co" respawning to fast disabling for 5 minutes ? |
| 20:17.42 | justin | nyuszika7h: lvm is not a filesystem.. |
| 20:17.46 | nerdistmonk | so what the most reliable way to get debian to let me mount a usb NTFS drive, debian wont let me mount except as root, and changing the file system a 2 TB drive is out of the question |
| 20:17.54 | nyuszika7h | You are right... |
| 20:18.07 | nyuszika7h | Anyway I should be fine with that setup right? |
| 20:18.07 | justin | nerdistmonk: how are you mounting it as root exactly? |
| 20:18.30 | justin | nyuszika7h: sure, why not? it's a pretty standard setup |
| 20:18.32 | nerdistmonk | well the only way i could it get to work was either using the mount command or thunar as root |
| 20:18.54 | nerdistmonk | any other linux distro will just mount it and show on my desktop, but debian not so much |
| 20:18.55 | nyuszika7h | Ok thanks |
| 20:18.58 | kallisti | jelly-home: 0.106 for initramfs-tools |
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| 20:19.12 | kallisti | 8-2 for module-init-tools |
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| 20:19.43 | justin | nerdistmonk: does auto mounting of fat32 drives work or is that messed up too? |
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| 20:19.51 | nerdistmonk | fat32 is fine |
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| 20:19.55 | jelly-home | ,versions module-init-tools |
| 20:19.56 | judd | Package: module-init-tools on i386 -- lenny: 3.4-1; squeeze: 3.12-2+b1; sid: 8-2; wheezy: 8-2 |
| 20:20.12 | jelly-home | kallisti: so the latest apparently |
| 20:20.39 | nyuszika7h | I need some sleep now, I'll ask if I need more help tomorrow! |
| 20:20.44 | kallisti | I should note that I accidentally nuked my /bin earlier so I may need to reinstall some packages that are currently "correctly installed" |
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| 20:20.59 | kallisti | I tried doing aptitude install ~i but I'm not sure that it fixed everything |
| 20:21.10 | jagginess | kallisti, do yourself a favor, you wiped out /bin? simply just re-install |
| 20:21.13 | justin | kallisti: you can install debsums and use that to tell you what is missing |
| 20:22.00 | jelly-home | kallisti: yeah, that MIGHT be a useful point to know! |
| 20:22.10 | justin | jagginess: /bin does not exactly have anything in it that is hard to recover |
| 20:22.12 | jelly-home | kallisti: dpkg -S /bin |
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| 20:22.39 | jagginess | nerdistmonk, the service/gui helpers that automount drives on the desktop are dbus-related.. you can have this on debian provide you install (maybe setup?) the dbus related tool/s |
| 20:22.44 | Doobie420 | does anyone know how to change the login screen layout? i vaguely remember being able to do this in the past, but I can't seem to figure it out on squeeze |
| 20:22.51 | justin | copying /bin from another debian install or live cd will get you back up and running in a few minutes. reinstalling, not so much |
| 20:23.08 | nerdistmonk | jaggi it says something about fuse needs to be recompiled for non root users to mount the drive |
| 20:23.18 | jelly-home | kallisti: modinfo is in /sbin, tho, did you mess with that |
| 20:23.48 | jelly-home | kallisti: to be more exact, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 21 00:09 /sbin/modinfo -> /bin/kmod |
| 20:24.09 | jagginess | nerdistmonk, i dont know.. have you tried pmount? also if you want it to show on your desktop automatically, then that's dbus stuff |
| 20:24.29 | jagginess | nerdistmonk, i think there's a non-dbus one called drive-manager or something like that.. |
| 20:24.48 | kallisti | jelly-home: I did, but I thought I had only messed up bin |
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| 20:24.53 | nerdistmonk | ok |
| 20:24.55 | kallisti | I'll just go ahead and reinstall everything that relates to that |
| 20:25.03 | jagginess | kallisti, good :) |
| 20:25.07 | kallisti | jelly-home: thanks for the dpkg -S tip |
| 20:25.31 | jagginess | kallisti, (copying from a live cd is plain useless.. as /bin is likely more up-to-date than obsoleted live cd binaries) |
| 20:25.55 | nerdistmonk | im attempting to move 600gb of data off of it now, so i can reformat to a pure linux filesystem, which filesystem would be best for a usb drive? i was thinking ext4 |
| 20:26.25 | justin | jagginess: really? /bin from a debian squeeze live-cd is obsolete and wont work if copied onto a debian squeeze system? |
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| 20:27.28 | kallisti | well initramfs-tools just installed successfully |
| 20:27.34 | kallisti | I think the problem was that kmod was missing. |
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| 20:27.57 | jelly-home | and then you reinstalled module-init-tools and everything was fine? |
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| 20:28.15 | jagginess | nope, and then x y ..z z1..zn is missing too. |
| 20:29.06 | jagginess | nerdistmonk, obviously it really doesnt matter unless you bring that usb to public systems (expect then to use ntfs-3g) |
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| 20:29.22 | jelly-home | I wonder if aptitude install '~i' screws up automatically-installed statuses |
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| 20:30.22 | kallisti | jelly-home: we'll see. my initial problem (before I messed up bin) involved initramfs timing out when waiting for the root device |
| 20:30.43 | kallisti | happened after an upgrade. |
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| 20:30.55 | jagginess | kallisti, it takes 20 minutes to install a debian.. |
| 20:31.11 | jagginess | (for me even less) |
| 20:31.12 | jelly-home | kallisti: one issues at the time please! :-> |
| 20:31.13 | kallisti | and several more hours to reconfigure everything back to the way it was. |
| 20:31.20 | jelly-home | issue* |
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| 20:31.28 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.51 | jelly-home | gives up on grammar and speling |
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| 20:32.03 | kallisti | module-init-tools reinstalls with no problems |
| 20:32.19 | jagginess | thinks kallisti doesnt deserve debian |
| 20:32.21 | jelly-home | now back to initramfs rebuilding |
| 20:32.25 | kallisti | should it matter that I'm using a 2.6 kernel live CD to chroot into a broken Debian with a 3.2 kernel? |
| 20:32.35 | jelly-home | no, not really |
| 20:32.50 | kallisti | good. I was concerned about that. |
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| 20:33.24 | kallisti | so, now what? |
| 20:33.35 | kallisti | I was going to reboot and see if it fixed my initial problem.. |
| 20:33.44 | jagginess | kallisti, you ever donate to open source projects? |
| 20:33.58 | kallisti | jagginess: somewhat. mostly my own. |
| 20:34.05 | jagginess | kallisti, well you should. |
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| 20:34.09 | kallisti | but I've submitted patches to others. mostly Haskell projects. |
| 20:34.09 | jelly-home | kallisti: if you reinstalled all the packages containing /bin, sure, sounds like a good idea |
| 20:34.44 | jelly-home | thankfully the troll is gone |
| 20:35.01 | kallisti | I'll write down the error message I get when it inevitably fails again, so I can put it here. |
| 20:35.07 | kallisti | brb |
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| 20:40.09 | solidni | Where do I get OpenGL driver required by XBMC on Raspberry Pi? |
| 20:40.46 | justin | solidni: I'm sure there is a rasberry pi wiki or something that tells you were to get rasberry pi specific things |
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| 20:42.34 | kallisti | okay so it looks like the initial problem is gone; initramfs successfully detects the root device and unlocks it, but then cryptsetup freaks out about a shared library |
| 20:42.38 | kallisti | so... time for more mindless package reinstalls |
| 20:43.25 | justin | kallisti: try debsums? |
| 20:43.37 | kallisti | wonders why dpkg -S uses comma delimiters |
| 20:43.43 | kallisti | it's like they want me to sed them away. |
| 20:43.47 | jelly-home | kallisti: also, check the bts for bugs in cryptsetup |
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| 20:43.55 | kallisti | not sure what debsums is. |
| 20:44.08 | kallisti | my internet capabilities are somewhat limited to w3m at the moment. |
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| 20:44.42 | thewanderer1 | On GNOME3/Sid, something called tracker-store is eating all my CPU. how do I disable it permanently? |
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| 20:48.32 | justin | thewanderer1: uninstall tracker |
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| 20:50.39 | thewanderer1 | justin, was pulled in as part of gnome-desktop-environment, it's unhandy to have to handle that lot of packages manually without a metapackage... |
| 20:51.05 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I've found gnome-session-preferences, which is apparently not accessible via any menu, and allows me to disable tracker at start |
| 20:51.41 | thewanderer1 | I wish it didn't spawn a 500-process forkbomb by default, though... at least I know my ulimit is doing something useful |
| 20:52.15 | justin | thewanderer1: removing it from the session works too :) |
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| 20:53.07 | tremon | thewanderer1: gsettings list-schemas|grep tracker reveal anything? |
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| 20:53.40 | thewanderer1 | tremon, yes, except that it's capital T - Tracker |
| 20:53.57 | thewanderer1 | not that I'd have an idea how gsettings works :P |
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| 20:54.12 | tremon | you can use gsettings list-keys <schema> to see which settings are configurable through dconf |
| 20:54.15 | calrogman | I once wrote an awk one liner to get the names of a bunch of packages from the aptitude logs that needed unisntalling. it probably took longer to refine than just removing them by hand would have. |
| 20:54.36 | kallisti | reinstallation of linux-headers-3.2.0-1-amd64 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 20:54.44 | calrogman | Worth it though for the buzz of writing a decent pipeline... |
| 20:54.45 | kallisti | jelly-home: any idea why I get this? |
| 20:55.33 | thewanderer1 | tremon, hmm, so apparently indexing on battery is on by default |
| 20:55.38 | tremon | thewanderer1: then gsettings set <schema> <key> <value> to set it. I'd hope there would a global enable/disable switch |
| 20:56.26 | jelly-home | kallisti: that kernel is gone the way of the dodo. It's an ex-kernel. |
| 20:56.32 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:56.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 20:56.55 | kallisti | jelly-home: so should I be replacing it with something? |
| 20:56.59 | jelly-home | kallisti: ^^ 3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 20:57.08 | kallisti | okay. |
| 20:57.25 | thewanderer1 | tremon, yeah well, there is a key. I just hate how it's all hidden and there are no GUIs to control anything O.o - I'll submit a wishlist item to have battery indexing off by default |
| 20:57.28 | jelly-home | kallisti: or just install linux-image-amd64 and let apt take care of the rest |
| 20:57.47 | jelly-home | and matching linux-headers-amd64 |
| 20:57.55 | tremon | thewanderer1: there probably is a gui, I just don't know about it |
| 20:58.01 | kevlarman | anyone know if that 2.6.32 still has the icebp bug? |
| 20:58.24 | tremon | doesn't use gnome3, but have thought it enough to care about basic scriptability |
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| 21:01.11 | kallisti | jelly-home: I wonder why it didn't automatically update the kernel. |
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| 21:02.16 | jelly-home | kallisti: there was nothing to update, your current one is not in the repositories any more |
| 21:02.28 | kallisti | oh I see. |
| 21:02.48 | kallisti | is there a package that automatically updates? |
| 21:03.18 | jelly-home | that question is already answered <g> |
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| 21:04.28 | kallisti | jelly-home: ah I see. sorry about that. I misunderstood what you meant. |
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| 21:11.43 | kallisti | jelly-home: here's an error I get when running update-grub2 http://sprunge.us/HXZf |
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| 21:12.11 | kallisti | I reinstalled libdebian-installer4-dev as a precaution and it didn't help. |
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| 21:14.12 | jelly-home | kallisti: you're mixing 32 and 64bit binaries in an unnatural way |
| 21:14.35 | kallisti | how is that happening though... |
| 21:15.10 | kallisti | mapdevfs should be 64-bit. |
| 21:15.28 | thewanderer1 | what is mapdevfs, anyway? are you trying to build a debian installer? |
| 21:15.46 | kallisti | I'm trying to run update-grub2 |
| 21:16.09 | nsadmin | so grub boots? |
| 21:16.10 | thewanderer1 | the system doesn't really look sane, you seem to have Debian-Installer packages laying around |
| 21:16.37 | kallisti | it's not sane. I'm trying to make it sane. |
| 21:16.50 | thewanderer1 | assuming this is just a normal Debian install, remove --purge the di-related packages |
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| 21:18.15 | kallisti | update-grub2 is still expecting those libraries to exist. |
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| 21:18.18 | kallisti | for whatever reason |
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| 21:18.56 | thewanderer1 | kallisti, no, it expects them to exist because it's just a script which calls various plug-ins, and *those* in turn are placed there by the di packages |
| 21:19.14 | thewanderer1 | and shouldn't normally exist |
| 21:19.42 | kallisti | ah I see |
| 21:19.48 | lapsusbrutus | rt2x00lib_request_firmware hmm got this in my dmesg after connecting a D-Link wireless card. wlan1 exsists, but cannot bring it up. anyone knows what package to install? got non-free contrib enabled |
| 21:19.50 | kallisti | I just missed a debian-installer package |
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| 21:20.03 | thewanderer1 | btw. those errors don't look critical, is grub in a non-booting state? |
| 21:20.08 | lapsusbrutus | firmware-realtek? |
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| 21:20.44 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: kallisti apparently wiped all of /bin a while ago |
| 21:20.45 | thewanderer1 | realtek or ralink, not sure... rt61pci was a RaLink device last time I had one |
| 21:20.54 | kallisti | thewanderer1: they're not critical, no. |
| 21:21.04 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, oh. surely, installing di packages won't help :P |
| 21:21.10 | jelly-home | kallisti: do you need dmraid? |
| 21:21.21 | kallisti | I mistook them as criticial initially, as I was installing a new kernel apt suggested that I might need to manually update grub due to errors |
| 21:21.22 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: thanks, Ill try both :) |
| 21:21.25 | kallisti | but it looks as though it completes. |
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| 21:26.17 | COLEMAN80 | ciao |
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| 21:27.27 | Innocentus | find / 111.111.111.111 |
| 21:27.34 | COLEMAN80 | ciao |
| 21:27.37 | Innocentus | will this simply search or will this destroy my system? :/ |
| 21:27.45 | COLEMAN80 | !lista |
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| 21:28.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Innocentus about using find |
| 21:28.36 | Innocentus | I read it - but I want to know wether this is really safe to use? find / 111.111.111.111 |
| 21:28.45 | Innocentus | or will it do some 'action' on the files? |
| 21:29.16 | gob_bluth | does anybody know how to ensure that initrd has the necessary files to unlock an encrypted root? |
| 21:29.17 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus, what are you trying to do? (hint: this is not a useful "find" syntax - it won't do anything related to searching) |
| 21:29.19 | jelly-home | Innocentus: is there an explicit or implicit action in that command line? Which one is it? Figure that out and you'll know the answer. |
| 21:29.31 | gob_bluth | its failing on boot and won't get to the unlock prompt |
| 21:29.56 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: I wanted to search for an ip address in many log files by using find / 111.111.111.111 |
| 21:30.01 | thewanderer1 | gob_bluth, see if it has cryptsetup, run ldd on it and track down possibly missing libraries |
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| 21:30.03 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: is this dangerous? find / 111.111.111.111 |
| 21:30.17 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus, it's neither dangerous nor useful. |
| 21:30.21 | jelly-home | Innocentus: really. Go and read that using find page. |
| 21:30.26 | Innocentus | alright |
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| 21:30.34 | Innocentus | so it hadn't done anything with the files ,right? |
| 21:30.49 | jordanm | it's listed them |
| 21:31.28 | jelly-home | Innocentus: it tried to enumerate the files under two directories, one named "/", one named "111.111.111.111", and do the default action on the found paths |
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| 21:31.34 | jordanm | Innocentus: it will simply list every file/dir on the system |
| 21:31.50 | Innocentus | ok |
| 21:31.53 | jordanm | jelly-home: is there ever a case the default action is not -print? |
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| 21:32.33 | jelly-home | jordanm: I bet the manual and the using find wiki has an answer! |
| 21:32.56 | jelly-home | (no, there's one default) |
| 21:33.19 | jelly-home | (that's why it's called "default") |
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| 21:37.10 | jelly-home | Innocentus: you probably want to tell find to call grep, like find /var/log [ADD MORE SELECTIVE OPTIONS HERE] -print0 | xargs -0 grep '111.111.111.111' |
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| 21:37.43 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, and the Useless Use of Grep award goes to... |
| 21:37.51 | jelly-home | ? |
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| 21:37.56 | thewanderer1 | err, xargs, even. |
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| 21:38.01 | Innocentus | yes |
| 21:38.18 | jordanm | grep '111\.111\.111\.111' /var/log/* -r |
| 21:38.40 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: xargs -0 and -print0 existed before {} +, and I'm a creature of habit |
| 21:38.51 | jordanm | find /var/log [move stuff] -exec grep '111\.111\.111\.111' + |
| 21:39.22 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and, as you can see, people often can't remember the correct syntax for -exec |
| 21:39.31 | thewanderer1 | heh, indeed |
| 21:39.54 | jelly-home | also, shells and {} sometimes don't mix |
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| 21:40.46 | jelly-home | this effect my nonusage of -exec |
| 21:40.51 | jelly-home | effects* |
| 21:40.55 | jordanm | '{}' |
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| 21:41.24 | jelly-home | jordanm: what a weird emoticon |
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| 21:41.38 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, the original Mac icon gone wrong |
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| 21:42.40 | jelly-home | I think it's a monster type thing with huge mouth {} and tiny squinty ' ' eyes |
| 21:42.58 | redragonx | Hello all |
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| 21:43.48 | nsadmin | is that his nose or his mouth? |
| 21:43.56 | redragonx | Can someone tell me why i have missing title bars with compiz? Debian 6 x64 Nvidia 260 gtx |
| 21:44.30 | redragonx | Reloading window manager does not help me ether |
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| 21:45.08 | redragonx | I have effeccts |
| 21:45.12 | jordanm | redragonx: you need a window decorator eg. gtk-window-decorator |
| 21:45.18 | redragonx | just no titebar |
| 21:45.21 | redragonx | well |
| 21:45.29 | redragonx | that is enabled |
| 21:45.44 | jordanm | redragonx: gtk-window-decorator & disown |
| 21:45.47 | redragonx | as well |
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| 21:46.01 | redragonx | whats disown |
| 21:46.10 | jordanm | redragonx: help disown |
| 21:46.34 | jordanm | its bash-builtin |
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| 21:47.13 | redragonx | and do what with disown ? |
| 21:48.19 | nsadmin | redragonx, it/s still on your screen (is on mine) |
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| 21:48.41 | redragonx | what? |
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| 21:48.56 | redragonx | i did help disown |
| 21:49.11 | jasox | Should I install some program to get this file /proc/acpi/thermal_zone, I am trying to read cores temp with my wm extension. |
| 21:49.14 | nsadmin | what did you learn? |
| 21:49.50 | nsadmin | I want to slow you down a bit because you seem to want to know what's going on |
| 21:50.57 | nsadmin | linux, which is a unix-alike, and so unix, has a very long history of dealing with terminals, |
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| 21:51.18 | JUR | CIAO (: |
| 21:51.27 | nsadmin | in fact terminals, then these big computerless |
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| 21:51.50 | nsadmin | don't type !list or your vase will explode |
| 21:52.06 | redragonx | what else do i do next now |
| 21:52.15 | calrogman | doesn't understand, nsadmin |
| 21:52.23 | JUR | LIST (: |
| 21:52.37 | tinkster | Anyone managed to install systemimager 4.1.6 under squeeze? |
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| 21:53.24 | nsadmin | redragonx, first, is that true that you want to understand more about what's going on? |
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| 21:53.46 | nsadmin | , v systemimager |
| 21:53.47 | judd | No package named 'systemimager' was found in i386. |
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| 21:54.00 | JUR | CIAO |
| 21:54.04 | nsadmin | tinkster, not by that name |
| 21:54.15 | JUR | HELLO |
| 21:55.02 | tinkster | There are deb's available from sourceforge, but package maintenance within debian seems to have been abandoned long time ago |
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| 21:55.44 | nsadmin | if that's the case there's probably no packages that are built for squeeze |
| 21:55.53 | tinkster | the deb's from sourceforge won't install because of unmet dependencies (namely the cdrecord/wodim problem), swearing about mkisofs being unavailable because it's now geniisofs |
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| 21:56.31 | nsadmin | looks like you're right about maint failure |
| 21:56.36 | tinkster | The bit that bugs me most is that it won't build from source, either, because it claims I don't have libuuid installed, which I do |
| 21:56.56 | tinkster | including ext2-dev |
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| 21:58.22 | nsadmin | then the configure.in or debian/rules might need adjustment |
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| 21:58.56 | ronny | hi |
| 21:59.17 | tinkster | i'll have a look at those, thx nsadmin |
| 21:59.23 | ronny | whats the best way to get a very recent kernel + very recent btrfs-tools |
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| 21:59.39 | jordanm | tinkster: you would need libuuid-dev |
| 21:59.46 | redragonx | (gtk-window-decorator:3147): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_set_string: assertion `val != NULL' failed |
| 22:01.20 | tinkster | jordanm, the package that libuuid comes from is e2fsprogs-dev, and I have that installed. |
| 22:01.22 | zw | Hi. After a reboot my lvm2 volumes are not working at boot, when hitting crtl-d to resume boot I can run /etc/ini.d/lvm2 start and then mount the volumes correctly |
| 22:01.24 | arietis | general unix question: how can i check which system do i use if there is no uname command available? |
| 22:01.25 | zw | any clues ? |
| 22:01.28 | zw | is this a know lenny bug ? |
| 22:01.38 | nsadmin | tinkster, if this thing is so old and maybe abandoned, I'm curious whether a different package could assist you... so, what did you want to accomplish using this somewhat old thing? |
| 22:01.53 | zw | I have this in lvm2 init : # Required-Start: mountdevsubfs udev |
| 22:02.05 | zw | and # Should-Start: devfsd raid2 mdadm cryptdisks-early |
| 22:02.20 | tinkster | I need it to quickly image a whole set of nearly identical machines |
| 22:03.10 | nsadmin | and the "quickly" is about imaging one, and then producing diffs for the others? |
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| 22:03.38 | tinkster | the beauty of that particular version of systemimager is that it allows the machines to seed each others install via torrents, so even with e.g. 100 machines you're not clobbering one install node |
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| 22:03.54 | aspidites | does debian provide a /usr/bin/python2 symlink? |
| 22:03.55 | tinkster | No, the quickly is about install an OS on heaps of machines in under 30 min |
| 22:04.17 | aspidites | i'm currently downloading a livecd, but i figured asking directly might be faster as its taking a while for the iso to load |
| 22:04.41 | nsadmin | aspidites, more likely a python2.something symlink |
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| 22:05.07 | nsadmin | even more likely, that one will be the binary not the symlink, and python would be the symlink |
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| 22:05.16 | tinkster | using PXE, DNS entries and a bit of scripting system imager will allow you to do all this non-interactively |
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| 22:05.58 | aspidites | ah ok |
| 22:05.59 | nsadmin | tinkster, so, the packages look abandoned... does the project also look abandoned? |
| 22:06.14 | aspidites | just found http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html |
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| 22:06.21 | aspidites | so it should be #!/usr/bin/env python2.7 |
| 22:06.23 | aspidites | for example |
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| 22:06.42 | nsadmin | you could, if you definitely wanted 2.7 |
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| 22:06.49 | tinkster | There were no changes in ages, but it's supposedly working and stable ... I know that some outlets use it to maintain current serverfarms of +4000 nodes |
| 22:07.09 | nsadmin | give it a shot and see... write a python script that outputs its version |
| 22:07.13 | tinkster | Maybe I should find out what server OS they're running it off |
| 22:07.19 | aspidites | i'd rather just specify 2 over 3 2.7 isnt necessary |
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| 22:07.31 | jordanm | arietis: if uname is not available, then your not on a POSIX system |
| 22:07.34 | nsadmin | see what you have installed |
| 22:07.36 | jordanm | you're |
| 22:07.49 | Nightshade_ | can someone help me with an sdcard problem? |
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| 22:08.01 | aspidites | Nightshade_: ask and ye shall receive |
| 22:08.01 | arietis | jordanm: i'm on POSIX one, i just don't have access to it |
| 22:08.02 | nsadmin | type: python<--leave the cursor there, hit tab a few times |
| 22:08.26 | Nightshade_ | It was just working, it shows up in /dev/sdb1 and in dmesg, but it doesn't automount and I can't manually mount it |
| 22:08.30 | jordanm | arietis: ask the administrator |
| 22:08.40 | aspidites | nsadmin: if you're taling to me, i don't have debian installed, so this isn't any help to me |
| 22:08.45 | Nightshade_ | I can't figure out what's wrong |
| 22:08.53 | arietis | jordanm: wanted to figure it out myself :) |
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| 22:09.56 | jordanm | arietis: perl -e 'use POSIX; print uname;' |
| 22:10.15 | jordanm | although, I doubt you have access to perl if you can't run other simple commands like uname |
| 22:10.22 | nsadmin | aspidites, ahh, possibly you'd want to ask the people who support your os; it's less time spent for us and better support and info for you\ |
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| 22:11.13 | aspidites | nsadmin: actually it isn't. i need to know what the correct shebang line on debian would be, and thus i'm asking on debian |
| 22:11.20 | aspidites | i already know what it is on my distro |
| 22:11.22 | arietis | jordanm: yeah, no perl access, php only |
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| 22:11.39 | aspidites | suppose i'll just wait for the livecd to finish downloading and test myself |
| 22:12.04 | aspidites | thanks anyways |
| 22:12.10 | arietis | but nmap says it's linux OS type |
| 22:12.57 | nsadmin | aspidites, ok, good enuf... to give you a bunch of examples... when I do the same thing, I get... |
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| 22:13.59 | jordanm | arietis: *sigh*. echo php_uname . "\n"; |
| 22:14.00 | nsadmin | http://paste.debian.net/174391/ |
| 22:14.10 | jordanm | arietis: err php_uname() |
| 22:14.34 | grey_gandalf | hi there... |
| 22:14.45 | nsadmin | aspidites, take a look at that link which is me typing python and hitting tab |
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| 22:15.24 | grey_gandalf | a question... I don't have "ifup" and "ifdown" on my laptop anymore! And thus on boot I don't have a static IP assigned... |
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| 22:15.39 | kallisti | so I got my system working again, finally. |
| 22:15.49 | kallisti | however, it seems with the new kernel my broadcom wireless adapter is messed up. |
| 22:15.53 | nsadmin | kallisti. yay! |
| 22:16.05 | jordanm | grey_gandalf: is /sbin in your path? is ifupdown installed? |
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| 22:16.14 | zykotick9 | no research done prior to asking! what is the debian-update-6.0.5-ARCH-CD-X.iso family? |
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| 22:16.26 | nsadmin | kallisti, lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 22:16.35 | grey_gandalf | jordanm: yes and yes, but let me check again, I think I reinstalled ifupdown |
| 22:16.37 | nsadmin | how many lines? |
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| 22:16.54 | kallisti | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 22:16.57 | kallisti | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02) |
| 22:17.00 | kallisti | this many. |
| 22:17.14 | jordanm | !bcm4312 |
| 22:17.15 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> since Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 22:17.21 | nsadmin | , pciid [14e4:4315] |
| 22:17.22 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 22:17.23 | kallisti | let me clarify: I can find networks and connect but then after a very short time it slows to a crawl |
| 22:17.26 | kallisti | and yes I know how to do all of that stuff... |
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| 22:17.48 | kallisti | the last thing in syslog is: wlan0: no ipv6 routers present |
| 22:17.52 | kallisti | whenever it happens. |
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| 22:18.50 | aspidites | nsadmin: that helps a lot, thanks |
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| 22:19.23 | nsadmin | aspidites, I haven't checked, but I believe all of those to be in /usr/bin |
| 22:19.43 | aspidites | ok, i suspect they are all on your path, which is the important part for my purpose |
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| 22:19.57 | aspidites | i know my distro has python2 in addition, which points to latest version of python installed |
| 22:20.03 | aspidites | eg, symlinks to python2.7 |
| 22:20.50 | kallisti | any ideas? |
| 22:20.54 | nsadmin | so your current problem is, if you want any python2, how to find it on debian |
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| 22:21.38 | aspidites | right. the best i have is to use /usr/bin/env python2.7 which seems to be available on all distros (assuming that is the version of python 2 installed) |
| 22:21.45 | aspidites | (similar to what you said earlier) |
| 22:21.49 | ronny | anyone? |
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| 22:22.23 | kallisti | um, why do I no longer have a modules.d |
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| 22:22.34 | kallisti | oh it's modprobe.d |
| 22:23.01 | nsadmin | unfortunately if you noticed, I happen to have python2.6 |
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| 22:23.42 | nsadmin | and even 2.5 :) |
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| 22:23.54 | jordanm | aspidites: if you want any v2, you should use /usr/bin/python |
| 22:24.36 | arietis | Linux node24-1.domain.com 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Dec 11 20:36:41 UTC 2011 x86_64 |
| 22:24.45 | arietis | looks like custom build :S |
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| 22:26.07 | Nightshade_ | sorry had to restart |
| 22:26.08 | nsadmin | the version looks like it could have been in debian, and is older and from wheezy |
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| 22:27.31 | nerdistmonk | is there any good game repositories for debian? |
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| 22:29.34 | jordanm | nerdistmonk: the debian-games team has quite a few in the main repositories |
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| 22:29.54 | Nightshade_ | Does anyone have anything to help me? |
| 22:30.00 | Nightshade_ | still not working after the restart |
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| 22:31.46 | jordanm | nerdistmonk: I recommend wesnoth and openarena |
| 22:31.48 | ronny | again: whats the best way to get a very recent kernel + very recent btrfs-tools |
| 22:32.05 | jordanm | ,versions btrfs-tools |
| 22:32.06 | judd | Package: btrfs-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 0.19+20100601-3; wheezy: 0.19+20120328-1; sid: 0.19+20120328-2 |
| 22:32.18 | nerdistmonk | jordan the debian repos are lacking a ton of games that ubuntu has |
| 22:32.30 | jordanm | nerdistmonk: like what? |
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| 22:33.15 | aspidites | nsadmin: thanks. i'm trying to make this script that was broken in my distro work without breaking others |
| 22:33.29 | nerdistmonk | ok metropolis for starters, smokin guns for another |
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| 22:33.43 | nerdistmonk | urban terror for another |
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| 22:33.52 | \escape | i <3 urban terror |
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| 22:33.53 | \escape | :) |
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| 22:35.30 | jordanm | nerdistmonk: metropolis and urban terror are not included for legal reasons, not sure about smokin guns |
| 22:35.55 | nerdistmonk | exactly so i asked for a good games repo |
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| 22:37.28 | aspidites | i suspect that general forum might not know of a good user repo |
| 22:37.46 | aspidites | is there a debian-game(r/s) channel you can check out? |
| 22:38.00 | WaitiGer | hello what are the suggested /etc/apt/sources.list entries in wheezy A1? |
| 22:39.18 | WaitiGer | I only have: deb://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 22:39.18 | jordanm | there is #debian-games on irc.debian.org, used by the debian-games team. |
| 22:39.31 | jordanm | WaitiGer: looks fine |
| 22:39.43 | aspidites | nerdistmonk: not what you're after, but may be interesting anyways: http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Links |
| 22:39.44 | WaitiGer | what about sevurity? |
| 22:39.56 | nerdistmonk | im thinking i may go to xubuntu on all my machines |
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| 22:39.57 | jordanm | WaitiGer: testing doesn't get security updates |
| 22:39.58 | WaitiGer | i had a lot more on my last install |
| 22:40.22 | WaitiGer | hm |
| 22:40.35 | aspidites | nerdistmonk: in taht case, there is a website that has binary releases for a bunch of games |
| 22:40.48 | aspidites | nerdistmonk: http://www.playdeb.net/welcome/ |
| 22:40.54 | nerdistmonk | playdeb is only for ubuntu |
| 22:40.56 | nerdistmonk | i tried |
| 22:41.10 | nerdistmonk | they ubuntu binaries, and ubuntu repos |
| 22:41.30 | aspidites | isn't xubuntu just ubuntu with xfce slapped on? |
| 22:42.10 | superstraw | xfce instead of gnome or whatever, yeah. |
| 22:42.29 | superstraw | iirc 12.04 is using another wm |
| 22:42.37 | aspidites | superstraw: unity/gnome3 |
| 22:42.44 | nerdistmonk | i already got playdeb on my buntu machines |
| 22:42.46 | superstraw | unity yeah thats it. is it gnomish? |
| 22:43.01 | nerdistmonk | but i liked debian better, just seems to not be enough support around for it though |
| 22:43.08 | nerdistmonk | lack a repos = lack of love |
| 22:43.18 | aspidites | i wouldn't say that |
| 22:43.22 | superstraw | i think debian is just more stable |
| 22:43.27 | aspidites | then, i'm not a debian user, so what do i know |
| 22:43.36 | aspidites | (no sarcasm meant) |
| 22:43.38 | superstraw | i used debian, switched to ubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu, but came back. |
| 22:44.00 | kevlarman | superstraw: it's more tablet-ish than gnomeish |
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| 22:44.19 | aspidites | debian stable never felt right for me. sid wasn't so bad though |
| 22:44.22 | aspidites | back when i used it |
| 22:44.25 | aspidites | counts the years... |
| 22:44.34 | WaitiGer | jordanm, what about: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 22:47.32 | WaitiGer | jordanm, I just read the debian faq @ : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.de.html |
| 22:47.48 | WaitiGer | now i got my answer myselfe :-)# |
| 22:47.56 | WaitiGer | thanks for helping |
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| 22:48.32 | WaitiGer | btw can anybody suggest me a lightweight desktopmanager ? |
| 22:48.37 | asciiker | Hello fine people |
| 22:48.50 | asciiker | waitiGer, yes . XFCE |
| 22:48.53 | WaitiGer | i installed lxde |
| 22:48.57 | aspidites | WaitiGer: lxde, xfce, enlightenment, or razor-qt |
| 22:49.12 | asciiker | enlightenment is not very light |
| 22:49.13 | aspidites | the first and last ones using openbox |
| 22:49.15 | asciiker | nor stable.... |
| 22:49.22 | aspidites | how isn't it ligth? |
| 22:49.27 | aspidites | and stable was never asked.. |
| 22:49.39 | WaitiGer | oh nice a conversation .-) |
| 22:49.40 | nerdistmonk | xfce4 is win |
| 22:49.57 | aspidites | and i'd say it's stable, considering its 1.0 already... |
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| 22:50.09 | aspidites | 21mb install, how is that not light? |
| 22:50.10 | asciiker | aspidites, when one asks for a lite desktop, I believe eye candy should be out of the question |
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| 22:50.54 | aspidites | ah, so we aren't talking "bloated", but "minimal" |
| 22:50.55 | asciiker | aspidites, I don't know that version than |
| 22:51.15 | WaitiGer | but debian starts gdm @ boot |
| 22:51.28 | WaitiGer | isn't it gnome desktop manager? |
| 22:51.47 | WaitiGer | how can i start e.g. lxde? |
| 22:51.48 | asciiker | I've been using xfce4 and I'm happy with it so far, if there was a lighter one, I'd use that |
| 22:51.50 | jordanm | display manager |
| 22:51.53 | WaitiGer | is it openbox#? |
| 22:51.59 | aspidites | asciiker: yeah, they've been 1.0 for a good while now |
| 22:52.00 | jordanm | it can be used to start other session managers |
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| 22:52.08 | asciiker | exec startlxde |
| 22:52.21 | aspidites | i'm curious as to how "light" e really is.. experiment time! |
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| 22:53.10 | nsadmin | , file usr/bin/nepomukservicestub |
| 22:53.13 | asciiker | anyone here had any luck installing vmware server 2.02 on Squeeze, I've read all of the internet about this and patched many times, still fails to configure |
| 22:53.14 | judd | Search for usr/bin/nepomukservicestub in squeeze/i386: kdebase-runtime: usr/bin/nepomukservicestub; kdebase-runtime-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub |
| 22:53.22 | Nightshade_ | I prefer xfce to all of them |
| 22:53.54 | aspidites | brb |
| 22:53.59 | aspidites | (shame on me for not using screen) |
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| 22:54.37 | asciiker | anyone? vmware server on squeeze ?? anyone got it to work? |
| 22:54.52 | jordanm | asciiker: #vmware |
| 22:55.08 | asciiker | will do |
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| 22:58.29 | aspidites | ok, so i installed enlightenment |
| 22:58.33 | WaitiGer | the default loginscreen is it based on gdm3? |
| 22:58.40 | asciiker | jordanm: it's like talking to a DMV clerk in there...... |
| 22:58.45 | aspidites | on first run it asks you if you want to disable compositing, so i have to say its rather light |
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| 23:01.09 | aspidites | wow. even the desktop menu is smart. if you cascade into a nested menu that wouldnt show up on screen, it automatically shifts to the left so it is completely viewable |
| 23:02.08 | aspidites | so yeah, e is not "heavy", either in "bling" or resource usage |
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| 23:02.38 | aspidites | well.. back to herbstluft :P |
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| 23:23.30 | rootant | guys, any screenlockers for wheezy? |
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| 23:23.51 | rootant | except i3lock and xscreensaver |
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| 23:26.29 | wj | good evening |
| 23:26.31 | jelly-home | rootant: xtrlock is very basic but ought to work |
| 23:26.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, why is xlockmore not in testing |
| 23:26.54 | dpkg | xlockmore is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xlockmore |
| 23:30.30 | xwalk_ | Can anyone direct me to a how to to add debian testing repos to my sources.list? |
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| 23:31.49 | leojrfs | what file system do you recomend for a raid5 nas? |
| 23:32.12 | leojrfs | is ext4 stable enough in squeeze? |
| 23:32.14 | rootant | jelly-home: jelly-home thx but it doesn't blank the screen :-/ |
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| 23:32.28 | engla | xwalk_: the dpkg bot knows. you will have to upgrade to testing from stable, it's not viable to just pick packages from it |
| 23:33.03 | jelly-home | rootant: no, you did not specify that until just now |
| 23:33.06 | jordanm | leojrfs: ext4 is fine, xfs if you want a filesystem > 16TB |
| 23:33.08 | xwalk_ | !dpkg testing |
| 23:33.08 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 23:33.40 | jelly-home | rootant: what's wrong with xscreensaver and its blank screen saver? |
| 23:33.48 | leojrfs | jordanm: what kind of setup do you recommend then with ext4? |
| 23:33.48 | rootant | jelly-home: i'll try that one from suckless-tools |
| 23:33.50 | jelly-home | or its lcdscrub saver? |
| 23:34.14 | leojrfs | jordanm: its a 3 disk raid5, but another 2 are arriving so i will have to grow the partition |
| 23:34.35 | rootant | jelly-home: because this is a really low profile machine with not much ram and i want to avoid running to many services on it, besides i don't use screensaver so what's the point of using it only for it's screenlocking capacity |
| 23:34.40 | jordanm | leojrfs: then use LVM |
| 23:35.34 | kritvit | ok |
| 23:35.41 | leojrfs | jordanm: tnks |
| 23:37.12 | rootant | jelly-home: i've ran slock, it blanks the screen but without any windows visable i fear that the password will be sent to the last active window, in example my terminal with irssi :-D |
| 23:37.12 | jelly-home | rootant: xscreensaver eats 2324 KiB RES and 1748 KiB SHR memory here. |
| 23:37.26 | xwalk_ | !dpkg testing faq |
| 23:37.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing faq is an _unofficial_ FAQ for the <testing> branch of Debian: http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html . See also <FAQ>. |
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| 23:37.42 | rootant | jelly-home: taht 1/4 of an iceweasel tab :-D |
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| 23:37.54 | stew | rootant: the description for the xscreensaver package says "This package includes the bare minimum needed to blank and lock your screen" |
| 23:37.59 | Nightshade_ | anyone that can help me with sdcard problem? |
| 23:38.18 | rootant | that's* |
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| 23:38.43 | jelly-home | rootant: how do you open a quarter of a tab |
| 23:39.03 | leojrfs | jordanm, i do not want to separe all disks by volumes, do i have to use lvm to grow the ext4 partition anyways? |
| 23:39.07 | rootant | you must say abra |
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| 23:39.48 | leojrfs | jordanm: i mean, the raid setup contains only one dir and symlinks to others |
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| 23:41.14 | kallisti_ | so I recently upgraded from 2.3.0-1 to 2.3.0-2 |
| 23:41.36 | kallisti_ | and my network controller is not working. it times out after a few seconds of weak connection |
| 23:41.50 | kallisti_ | I've installed firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
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| 23:41.57 | kallisti_ | removed broadcom-sta-common |
| 23:42.15 | kallisti_ | I switched from dhclient to dhcpcd because wicd-client recommended it |
| 23:42.18 | kallisti_ | but nothing is working. |
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| 23:46.30 | kallisti_ | Jun 13 19:12:48 maria kernel: [ 285.481990] wlan0: deauthenticating from 34:ef:44:99:a2:31 by local choice (reason=3) |
| 23:46.33 | kallisti_ | this seems to be the reason |
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| 23:50.10 | kallisti_ | this is ridiculous |
| 23:52.41 | dvs | kallisti_: That's broadcom for you |
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| 23:52.51 | kallisti_ | I had this probably before |
| 23:52.54 | kallisti_ | and then it magically disappeared |
| 23:52.56 | dvs | kallisti_: I wouldn't be surprised if it was the b43 driver |
| 23:53.00 | kallisti_ | and now I upgrade kernels and it's back |
| 23:53.11 | kallisti_ | I tried using broadcom-sta but I can't scan networks at all with that one |
| 23:53.31 | kallisti_ | I may just downgrade kernels.. |
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| 23:55.46 | nsadmin | kallisti_, drivers come in kernels... change the kernel, change the available drivers... |
| 23:56.15 | dvs | nsadmin: But he did when he just updated |
| 23:56.51 | nsadmin | do you still have the working kernel installed? (you may not have to downgrade anything if it is still present; if you did remove it, you may have to do the same work as on the current kernel to set up the driver for the wireless) |
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| 23:57.19 | dvs | good call |
| 23:58.01 | nsadmin | just so ya know :) so... check out what you have already... look in /lib/modules for which kernel is there |
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| 23:59.55 | nsadmin | as it is with most who become (momentarily) nonresponsive, maybe you are proceeding with what you're trying to get set up without reading further here. this is your -right- as the owner of the machine... and, I still wonder if you are considering the above |