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| 00:02.11 | jgalt | abrotman: in summary about 3-4 pages of dependency problems with such things as libgtk and libreoffice |
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| 00:04.05 | LTB | Guess what |
| 00:04.08 | LTB | I got it installed |
| 00:04.16 | LTB | Haven't rebooted yet, but I wonder about installing opera |
| 00:04.26 | LTB | I went to opera's webpages and downloaded for debian |
| 00:04.58 | LTB | But when I opened with GDebi it tells me that I should rather download opera from "the software channel" |
| 00:05.04 | LTB | Where is this software channel?:S |
| 00:05.04 | Dulak | Thanks whoever mentioned cinnamon, that is a very nice desktop. |
| 00:05.37 | abrotman | jgalt: what about "aptitude -f install" ? |
| 00:07.42 | LTB | Anyone...?:) |
| 00:07.56 | jgalt | abrotman: something like 832 reccommends, should I accept the solution it came up with? |
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| 00:10.37 | LTB | abrotman: Got gdm sorted, how about that sound issue?:D |
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| 00:14.02 | LTB | abrotman: you there?:) |
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| 00:16.23 | jgalt | just started aptitude full-upgrade, going afk while it runs |
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| 00:21.08 | LTB | I'm having some difficulty getting 5.1 surround working in debian... could someone help?:) |
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| 00:28.43 | abrotman | LtL: mildly |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | he ran away |
| 00:28.57 | abrotman | jgalt: going okay? |
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| 00:39.05 | LTB | Hello! What repositories should I check in "software sources" so things don't get messy? |
| 00:40.30 | educr0w | if I add squeeze backports to source list, do I need to do apt-get upgrade or atp-get -t squeeze-backports upgrade or both?? |
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| 00:40.36 | jgalt | abrotman: still running |
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| 00:42.13 | LTB | abrotman: I rebooted and the gde install didn't seem to take effect... couldn't choose gnome...=( Using avlinux btw |
| 00:43.28 | abrotman | wtf is avlinux ? |
| 00:43.45 | somiaj | educr0w: apt-get update |
| 00:43.54 | LTB | abrotman: lol..:p |
| 00:44.12 | LTB | "You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:" what should I do?? |
| 00:44.12 | somiaj | educr0w: but you don't want to upgrade all packages to squeeze-backport version. only install the backports you need from squeeze-backports (keeping as much as you can offically stable) |
| 00:44.37 | LTB | I think I've screwed this installation up, is there a way to reinstall it back to default? |
| 00:44.42 | LTB | Debian that is |
| 00:45.17 | educr0w | somiaj: I've installed new kernel and I will install X, after installing do I remove deb line from sources? |
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| 00:46.38 | somiaj | educr0w: no by default squeeze-backports is pinned lower than squeeze, so it is there for when you need it |
| 00:46.50 | educr0w | if I want to keep upto day my stable installation, do I just apt-get upgrade only?? |
| 00:46.54 | somiaj | educr0w: but upgrade / dist-upgrade will not automatically pull in packages from squeeze-backports |
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| 00:47.02 | somiaj | correct, you can run that normally |
| 00:47.16 | LTB | Can no one help with this...? |
| 00:47.23 | educr0w | thank you somiaj :) |
| 00:47.29 | somiaj | you can also run dist-upgrade educr0w, but on stable you won't notice much difference |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | LTB: see debian.org .. they have links to installers |
| 00:47.38 | somiaj | read the manpage to get a detailed description of their differences |
| 00:47.56 | LTB | abrotman: was hoping to save some time, but alright, thanks... |
| 00:48.02 | educr0w | ok! :) |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | LTB: it's pretty simply explained on the website |
| 00:48.27 | LTB | abrotman: you don't even know what AVLinux is:D:D |
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| 00:48.40 | jennyferr | hello! |
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| 00:48.45 | jennyferr | I am new in the linux world! |
| 00:48.55 | jennyferr | I am running debian from my usb |
| 00:48.56 | allorder | welcome |
| 00:49.16 | jennyferr | I have Windows 7 installed but I want to remove Windows 7 first I want to move my files to linux how do I do that? |
| 00:49.24 | abrotman | LTB: you don't even know how to install Debian :D:D:D: |
| 00:49.27 | jennyferr | I used mac so I know how the terminal works |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | or osmething |
| 00:49.39 | LTB | abrotman: I have installed debian lol:) |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | LOLOL |
| 00:49.43 | LTB | jennyferr: hey jennyferr! |
| 00:50.00 | jennyferr | But the folder I want to move is in my Windows Desktop, what can I do? |
| 00:50.07 | LTB | jennyferr: do you know how to mount your "windows partition" in a file browser application? |
| 00:50.16 | jennyferr | uhmmmm no jijiji |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | LTB: avlinux is not debian .. either install Debian or go ask them |
| 00:50.26 | jennyferr | I know how to use mkdir to create the folder to mount to |
| 00:50.30 | LTB | jennyferr: hang on a second:) |
| 00:50.31 | jennyferr | but browser application? |
| 00:50.34 | jennyferr | thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks |
| 00:50.45 | LTB | abrotman: AVLinux is based on debian;) |
| 00:50.46 | jennyferr | also I know how to use mount command |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | LTB: NOT supported here |
| 00:50.54 | jennyferr | does that work ? jiji |
| 00:50.55 | LTB | jennyferr: ohno, not that complicated:D |
| 00:51.06 | mmnicola1 | LTB: It is some obscure "custom shop modded and rodded 32bit Linux based Operating System", your installation is compromised. |
| 00:51.12 | jennyferr | ok ok ok I wait thanks |
| 00:51.12 | LTB | jennyferr: one sec |
| 00:51.31 | LTB | jennyferr: open your file browser, can you do that? |
| 00:51.37 | jennyferr | firefox? |
| 00:51.43 | mmnicola1 | LTB: do you trust that single guy ? Glen MacArthur ? |
| 00:51.51 | LTB | jennyferr: just like you would in windows, where "home" folders and all are |
| 00:51.58 | jennyferr | oh yes yes yes |
| 00:52.03 | jennyferr | done I opened home folder |
| 00:52.08 | LTB | jennyferr: ok |
| 00:52.11 | abrotman | watches the average IQ plunge |
| 00:52.27 | LTB | jennyferr: on your left you should see your windows partition available for mount, do you see it? |
| 00:52.42 | LTB | jennyferr: it should say xxxamount GB file system or something |
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| 00:53.08 | jennyferr | says OS like a usb icon |
| 00:53.17 | jennyferr | YES I DID IT!!! |
| 00:53.28 | LTB | jennyferr: :) You see your windows files there? |
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| 00:53.32 | jennyferr | That-s the icon I am browsing my windows files |
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| 00:53.41 | jennyferr | yeeeeeeeees |
| 00:53.54 | jennyferr | but I am running in a live cd well usb |
| 00:53.57 | LTB | jennyferr: oooh |
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| 00:54.00 | jennyferr | is that a problem? |
| 00:54.01 | LTB | jennyferr: I see |
| 00:54.03 | LTB | jennyferr: well, yes |
| 00:54.24 | LTB | jennyferr: your live CD isn't actually running on your hard disk, meaning the data will not be saved once you shut down from the live cd |
| 00:54.38 | jennyferr | oh should I create a partition? |
| 00:54.44 | LTB | jennyferr: no, wait |
| 00:54.47 | jennyferr | ok |
| 00:54.53 | LTB | jennyferr: how much space are we talking here? |
| 00:54.57 | LTB | jennyferr: the things you want to save? |
| 00:55.03 | jennyferr | 2.5GB |
| 00:55.15 | LTB | jennyferr: you sure? That's it? |
| 00:55.16 | jennyferr | yup |
| 00:55.22 | jennyferr | I moved the pics to a folder |
| 00:55.42 | LTB | jennyferr: well, I can think of no easier solutions than to stick a usb into your computer and saving them there:) Or an empty CD |
| 00:55.53 | LTB | jennyferr: you wish to install linux completely on your system, is that it? |
| 00:56.25 | karlpinc | jennyferr: Or you may even be able to save to the usb stick you're running live from. Depends. Easiset would be a second stick. |
| 00:56.34 | jennyferr | tried not enough space |
| 00:57.06 | mmnicola1 | go buy some sticks! |
| 00:57.19 | karlpinc | jennyferr: Your stick may be running linux in ram, not directly off the stick. (probably is, but it may mount the stick somewhere so you can write to it.) Again, yes, easiest is a second stick. |
| 00:57.37 | LTB | jennyferr: bottom line is you can't "save" anything on your Linux CD, it's just there in order for you to install or run live |
| 00:57.44 | karlpinc | jennyferr: (So, you ran out of ram, not out of usb flash.) |
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| 00:58.07 | karlpinc | LTB: Depends on the way the live stick was created. |
| 00:58.28 | LTB | karlpinc: live stick sure, was talking about CD's:d |
| 00:59.17 | LTB | Is anyone aware of a channel for people using AVLinux? Can't find any.. |
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| 01:01.34 | abrotman | LTB: ask ##linux maybe |
| 01:02.09 | karlpinc | LTB: There's a <avlinux> factoid. Type "/msg dpkg avlinux" in your irc client. |
| 01:02.28 | mmnicola1 | LTB: http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/forums/index.php |
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| 01:04.06 | LittleFoot | hi |
| 01:04.15 | LittleFoot | im at the debian download |
| 01:04.35 | LittleFoot | which dvds do i need so i dont have to get any files from the net |
| 01:04.47 | LittleFoot | after i start installed |
| 01:04.49 | LittleFoot | r |
| 01:05.04 | karlpinc | LittleFoot: That really depends on what you want to install. You probably need only the first dvd, depending. |
| 01:05.29 | LittleFoot | well last time i got cd 1 and i was missing some menus |
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| 01:05.49 | karlpinc | LittleFoot: Although, if you want to save on network bandwidth the best thing to do is install from the netinstall. Then just unplug from the network afterwards. |
| 01:06.30 | jgalt | abrotman: I have a dialogue box stating, "A new version of /erc/default/rcS is available, but ythe version installed has been locally modified" should the package maintainers version or the local version be installed? |
| 01:06.33 | LittleFoot | yeah but its going to take forever to get stuff from mirror |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | jgalt: look at the differences .. decide if they're important |
| 01:07.02 | karlpinc | LittleFoot: Less time than downloading a bunch of stuff you don't ever install. Perhaps you should choose a faster mirror. |
| 01:07.24 | dstorrs | hi all. I'm trying to upgrade perl from 5.10 to 5.14 on a single-purpose box. I've added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main" to /etc/apt/sources.list, I've installed debian-(archive-)?keyring, I've apt-get updated. I expected that apt-get -t experimental install perl would do it, but it doesn't |
| 01:07.33 | dstorrs | error message is "perl is already the newest version" |
| 01:07.37 | dstorrs | what am I missing? |
| 01:07.51 | LittleFoot | is dvd 1 going to get me an install typical to ubuntu install |
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| 01:08.05 | LittleFoot | because ubuntu w everything is only 1G |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | dstorrs: whoa, what .. why ? |
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| 01:08.26 | dstorrs | abrotman: why am I doing this? |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | yeah? |
| 01:08.50 | abrotman | LittleFoot: probably .. why dono't oyu have internet ? |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | dstorrs: what's wrong with the perl you have? |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | dstorrs: the system expects a certain version of perl .. changing that could do all sorts of interesting things |
| 01:09.24 | LittleFoot | i do but it told me i have to wait 12 hrs for debian to download instalation files |
| 01:09.47 | LittleFoot | i really dont want to have my comp unusable for 12 hrs |
| 01:09.54 | dstorrs | My company does YouTube harvesting. Our harvester was written on a box using 5.14.2 and that's what we've used to date. It might well work on 5.10, but I would prefer not to have to do the testing. |
| 01:09.57 | abrotman | LittleFoot: it's a 5GB file ... |
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| 01:10.04 | owen1 | how to kill a stopped job? sudo kill 3 doesn't kill it and fg, ctrl+c doesn't either |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | dstorrs: i'd probably do that in a chroot then .. |
| 01:10.15 | dstorrs | THis will be a single-purpose box, automatically deployed, used only for this one purpose. |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | owen1: type jobs .. fg # .. then kill it |
| 01:10.49 | jgalt | abrotman: they look almost identical - minor differences as to weather clock is set to utc, etc. choosing local version |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | jgalt: doubt it will cause babies to strangle kittens |
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| 01:12.35 | dstorrs | abrotman: I'm aware that this could cause problems, but I'd still like to know how to do it. |
| 01:12.54 | jgalt | abrotman: yea, lol, figured that - looked like stuff that could be fixed/reconfig'd later if needed. |
| 01:13.04 | dstorrs | According to my googling, the perl that is in the experimental repos is 5.14.2-9 |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | dstorrs: try with aptitude |
| 01:13.20 | dstorrs | ok |
| 01:13.30 | LittleFoot | there i found the answer |
| 01:13.31 | LittleFoot | If your PC has an internet connection you can download the businesscard or netinst CD. Otherwise you can install a working system with CDs 1 and 2. The other numbered CDs contain all the applications from the Debian repository, in order of decreasing popularity. You might want to read http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | jgalt: it'll save the old file |
| 01:13.39 | LittleFoot | how come u guys dont know this |
| 01:13.52 | abrotman | uh .. you said you didn't want to use the internet ? |
| 01:13.59 | LittleFoot | right |
| 01:14.06 | LittleFoot | i dont want to down while in installer |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | not sure how that blurb helps you |
| 01:14.19 | LittleFoot | because now i know i was missing cd 2 |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | you do/ |
| 01:14.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:14.27 | LittleFoot | which is why i was missing most administration menuys |
| 01:14.31 | abrotman | you know the contents of CD2 ? |
| 01:14.39 | LittleFoot | umm |
| 01:14.40 | dstorrs | huh. |
| 01:14.40 | LittleFoot | If your PC has an internet connection you can download the businesscard or netinst CD. Otherwise you can install a working system with CDs 1 and 2. The other numbered CDs contain all the applications from the Debian repository, in order of decreasing popularity. You might want to read http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
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| 01:15.10 | abrotman | hrm ... CD1+CD2 is less than DVD1 .. good luck |
| 01:15.12 | LittleFoot | ! Otherwise you can install a working system with CDs 1 and 2! |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | okay, good luck |
| 01:15.38 | dstorrs | ok, "aptitude -t experimental install perl" did stuff, but the perl has not actually be upgraded. |
| 01:15.43 | LittleFoot | ill try this and come back |
| 01:15.50 | LittleFoot | because dvd1 is like 4G |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | dstorrs: apt-cache policy perl ? |
| 01:16.13 | stew | dstorrs: there is no perl in experimental. what version of debian are you running? |
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| 01:16.23 | abrotman | dstorrs: it's also possible that it's not currently installable from experiemental .. but 5.14 is in wheezy |
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| 01:16.27 | abrotman | blinks .. hi stew |
| 01:16.46 | stew | dstorrs: you are probably going to be better off installing a separate local version of perl and not mess with /usr/bin/perl |
| 01:16.51 | stew | abrotman: aloha |
| 01:16.59 | abrotman | wonders which game stew will be starting for the Sox |
| 01:17.05 | dstorrs | *facepalm* |
| 01:17.08 | dstorrs | That's exactly it. |
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| 01:17.17 | abrotman | judd: versions perl |
| 01:17.18 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny5; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze3; sid: 5.14.2-9; wheezy: 5.14.2-9 |
| 01:17.19 | dstorrs | I found it here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/perl |
| 01:17.32 | abrotman | dstorrs: is this a production/internet-facing box ? |
| 01:17.53 | dstorrs | but had read earlier that it was in experimental, and conflatd the two |
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| 01:18.12 | abrotman | dstorrs: read where? |
| 01:18.14 | dstorrs | abrotman: it is production. |
| 01:18.23 | abrotman | dstorrs: but can the internet get to the box / |
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| 01:18.45 | dstorrs | it is internet connected, but can be set to deny incoming |
| 01:19.04 | dstorrs | it only need to make requests from YouTube, it doesn't need to be accessible from the outside |
| 01:19.16 | dstorrs | (well, barring VPN or ssh via an internal server) |
| 01:19.33 | LittleFoot | how do i then put these 2 cds as one bootable |
| 01:19.39 | LittleFoot | USB |
| 01:19.53 | LittleFoot | i know how to with one iso but not 2 |
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| 01:20.08 | abrotman | howcomeudidntknowthat |
| 01:20.41 | LittleFoot | never had ppl split iso s likes that |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | you think most people just give out a 50GB ISO ? |
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| 01:27.44 | nsadmin | what media would you burn such a thing on |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | punch card |
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| 01:28.34 | nsadmin | we'll put all the b oxes in YOU house |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | i'm a house :( |
| 01:29.02 | mmnicola1 | a dual-layer blu-ray ? |
| 01:29.11 | nsadmin | +R |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | mmnicola1: not large enough ? |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | not even close |
| 01:29.22 | mmnicola1 | not exacly 50gb but |
| 01:29.25 | nsadmin | that's 50g?? |
| 01:29.26 | LittleFoot | y r u guys so dificult |
| 01:29.44 | nsadmin | o i c u r m t |
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| 01:30.54 | nsadmin | 2 cds? |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | he says 2CDs have more than 1 DVD |
| 01:31.25 | nsadmin | I've never seen that done, nor seen where that's been necessary |
| 01:31.46 | LittleFoot | no i didnt |
| 01:31.47 | LittleFoot | wtffffffff |
| 01:31.59 | nsadmin | LittleFoot, what exactly are you trying to do |
| 01:32.02 | LittleFoot | god damit |
| 01:32.07 | abrotman | he doesn't want to use the internet to install |
| 01:32.15 | LittleFoot | :!q |
| 01:32.43 | mmnicola1 | I doesn't want to download a full 4.4gb but feels he'll be missing some if he uses only CD1 |
| 01:33.32 | nsadmin | he won't miss anything if themachine has a nice fat net connection |
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| 01:33.39 | mmnicola1 | better off using a netinstall and aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 01:33.41 | LittleFoot | anyways i got the answer from googlle |
| 01:34.10 | LittleFoot | cd1 and cd2 is everything i need |
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| 01:34.16 | nsadmin | oh, you're trying to install debian |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | but dvd1 wasn't .... |
| 01:34.32 | LittleFoot | dvd1 is too much |
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| 01:34.37 | abrotman | goes to find a guitar |
| 01:35.08 | LittleFoot | now i jus need to know how to put 2 isos on one bootable usb |
| 01:35.18 | LittleFoot | or however im suposed to do this |
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| 01:35.40 | dstorrs | thanks for your help, all |
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| 01:36.00 | somiaj | LittleFoot: you will have to make a custom grub to boot off the iso |
| 01:36.05 | nsadmin | use cd1 and be happy... let's see,,, so if you do this, cd1 will probably boot, and you can install debian from there... cd2 will be this clump of data that won't be read by the installer |
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| 01:37.18 | frankaa112 | plz i need link to get ccv plz |
| 01:37.27 | LittleFoot | ya i am not really sure what to do w cd2 |
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| 01:37.56 | nsadmin | LittleFoot, same here |
| 01:38.00 | somiaj | LittleFoot: do you want any paticular desktop? |
| 01:38.18 | LittleFoot | gnome |
| 01:38.21 | nsadmin | -maybe- you can mount it after installing and put something in sources.list |
| 01:38.41 | LittleFoot | not sure y debian is so much more insane than ubuntu |
| 01:38.42 | frankaa112 | plz wich of the link can i get some card plz |
| 01:39.13 | somiaj | LittleFoot: have you checked out the live images on live.debian.net -- the gnome image is slightly over a gig and contains a fairly complete gnome desktop you can install. |
| 01:39.27 | LittleFoot | i was up and runnign linux mint right away |
| 01:39.27 | mmnicolas | frankaa112: wtf ? |
| 01:39.45 | frankaa112 | i m fine man just i |
| 01:39.50 | frankaa112 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.51 | frankaa112 | me |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | LittleFoot: so why not use it again ? |
| 01:39.54 | echo-area | A recent upgrade results this error in bzr explorer: bzr: ERROR: exceptions.ImportError: cannot import name cmd_launchpad_open. Does anyone see this problem as well? How do you resolve it? |
| 01:40.03 | frankaa112 | help fro u guyd |
| 01:40.07 | LittleFoot | omg |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | frankaa112: help with what? |
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| 01:42.34 | frankaa112 | wich of the channel to get some ccv |
| 01:42.36 | nsadmin | LittleFoot, as you must have read the debian install guide, does it say anything about having or needing 2 cd images? |
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| 01:43.09 | nsadmin | frankaa112, what's a ccv? |
| 01:43.45 | frankaa112 | any usa |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | frankaa112: do you know what Debian is ? |
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| 01:44.27 | mmnicolas | I think he wants credit card numbers and cvv codes |
| 01:44.42 | mmnicolas | blink once for yes |
| 01:44.54 | frankaa112 | yes that is wat i need |
| 01:44.59 | mmnicolas | see. |
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| 01:45.06 | nevyn | !ops frankaa112 is an awesome hacker dude |
| 01:45.07 | abrotman | we're done |
| 01:45.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nevyn complains about: frankaa112 is an awesome hacker dude |
| 01:45.16 | nevyn | hhe. |
| 01:45.22 | abrotman | nevyn: i just said osmething .. like two lines before ... |
| 01:45.41 | nevyn | unfreezes brain. |
| 01:46.22 | thewanderer__ | hmm, should there be parity between the contents of /dev/disk/by-id and /dev/disk/by-path? I don't think all devices are represented in by-path... |
| 01:46.42 | nevyn | often has more by-path than by-id |
| 01:46.44 | LittleFoot | nsadmin: must be the netinstall then |
| 01:46.54 | LittleFoot | thats the one i installed |
| 01:47.06 | LittleFoot | but i clicked dont conect to mirror |
| 01:47.27 | LittleFoot | it maay have been cd1 tho |
| 01:47.31 | LittleFoot | so will see |
| 01:47.47 | LittleFoot | <--- idiot |
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| 01:48.20 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i am having Gnome here on squeeze ... but when i click logout or shutdown it doesnt respond ... any help ? |
| 01:48.27 | somiaj | LittleFoot: are you using wireless for the internet connenction? |
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| 01:48.37 | LittleFoot | no |
| 01:48.52 | LittleFoot | its nto my conection |
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| 01:49.09 | LittleFoot | i just dont want to be stuck in installed |
| 01:49.12 | LittleFoot | r |
| 01:49.50 | somiaj | well most wireless cards require a non-free wireless which isn't on the netinstaller or cd1. But if you want something where when you are done installing you have a gnome system up and running, look at the live images on live.debian.net |
| 01:50.53 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: did anything update or change ? |
| 01:51.38 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, nope ... i had xfce then removed it and installed gnome |
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| 01:52.08 | thewanderer__ | nevyn: hmmm, it seems that sda1 has been "masked" by sdb1 somehow - I only see sdb1, sda2 represented in by-path O.o |
| 01:52.29 | thewanderer__ | whereas by-id seems to show me all devices |
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| 01:54.36 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, some thread from linux-mint suggests that i install/remove kexec-tools ... what do you think ? |
| 01:55.09 | LittleFoot | somaj i actually just found the live 1.1G |
| 01:55.13 | mmnicolas | cobra-the-joker: You should be able to logout without that |
| 01:55.15 | LittleFoot | on my comp |
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| 01:55.22 | seeker61 | i am confused. I have installed secpanel and when i connect to the remote server a terminal window is open. how is that any different that doing the terminal from the start and not use secpanel |
| 01:55.42 | LittleFoot | thx i think i just never got around to installing this |
| 01:55.55 | cobra-the-joker | mmnicolas, its not working ... i am using commands to do that and also restarting/halting |
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| 01:56.43 | mmnicolas | cobra-the-joker: try installing the package gnome-desktop-environment to see if you're missing anything |
| 01:57.08 | cobra-the-joker | mmnicolas, nope |
| 01:57.21 | cobra-the-joker | mmnicolas, i installed using gnome ( the larger package ) |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: how is this related to Mint ? |
| 01:57.41 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, i dont know ... maybe the same problem |
| 01:57.57 | cobra-the-joker | i cant find any debian specific thread about it |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: as root, can you /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
| 01:58.11 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 01:58.57 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, using gdm3 here |
| 01:58.58 | cobra-the-joker | Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm. |
| 01:58.58 | cobra-the-joker | Not starting GNOME Display Manager; it is not the default display manager. |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: so use gdm3 instead of gdm |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | use a wee bit of common sense |
| 02:00.26 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
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| 02:07.32 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, ok ... that wasnt very pretty ... blank screen |
| 02:07.34 | cobra-the-joker | black blank screen * |
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| 02:11.59 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: nvidia driver crap ? |
| 02:12.16 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, no ... intel |
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| 02:15.17 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, gtg now ... will check that error later |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | would probably just have rebooted by now |
| 02:15.52 | thewanderer__ | kernel crash when using btrfs (mkfs.btrfs backported from sid) over zvol from ZFS on Linux... this can't be good... |
| 02:15.57 | abrotman | everytime i can't shutdown from gnome, i feel like it's been when i upgraded dbus or something |
| 02:16.14 | thewanderer__ | any critical btrfs issues in 3.3.1? cause I sure seem to be seeing one now |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | thewanderer__: kernel.org has a bugzilla |
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| 02:22.36 | thewanderer__ | aha... |
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| 02:23.01 | thewanderer__ | as can be easily guessed, rmmod -f btrfs when it is trying to mount it is not a great idea. the router just exploded. |
| 02:23.28 | Dulak | Router bits everywhere, eh? |
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| 02:29.12 | sirriffsalot_ | Hello! I've had some trouble in the past selecting the right repositories without messing my system up.. could someone explain this a little? |
| 02:29.42 | karlpinc | !tell sirriffsalot_ about overview |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | sirriffsalot_: repositories for what? |
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| 02:30.24 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: Well, installing things such as other desktop environments and VLC atm:) |
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| 02:31.04 | abrotman | doesn't really answer the question |
| 02:31.08 | abrotman | !tell sirriffsalot_ about squeeze sources.list |
| 02:31.36 | sirriffsalot_ | Well I don't know what repositories I should and should not enable... |
| 02:31.39 | sirriffsalot_ | So I can't answer the question:/ |
| 02:32.09 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: If it does not have a domain name in debian.org then it's not offical debian. |
| 02:32.51 | karlpinc | s/in/ending in/ |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | and even then .. that may not be the best practice |
| 02:33.25 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: I'm very new at this, could you elaborate? Take VLC for example, how would I go about checking what repos are necessary? |
| 02:33.50 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: You should probably see the wiki page refereced by the <overview> factoid. |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | sirriffsalot_: VLC is available in squeeze |
| 02:34.50 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: (And it wouldn't hurt to read the footnotes too.) |
| 02:34.55 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: cheers!:) |
| 02:35.03 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: yeah, could you link that first one again? |
| 02:35.05 | sirriffsalot_ | Crossed it out |
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| 02:35.10 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 02:35.11 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>, <introduction>. |
| 02:35.13 | sirriffsalot_ | the overview thing |
| 02:35.14 | sirriffsalot_ | Whoa |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | crossed it out ? |
| 02:35.27 | sirriffsalot_ | Yep, I got it in a message last time |
| 02:35.31 | sirriffsalot_ | private message perhaps |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | oh, closed the window |
| 02:35.45 | cantido | debian-ports isn't in there.. |
| 02:35.57 | karlpinc | cantido: That's why it's a wiki. :-) |
| 02:36.08 | sirriffsalot_ | Cheers:) |
| 02:36.21 | cantido | karlpinc: I meant the factoid |
| 02:36.31 | sirriffsalot_ | By the way, my /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty...:D |
| 02:36.49 | abrotman | cantido: which factoid ? |
| 02:37.38 | cantido | abrotman: the overview one.. some software isn't officially in debian, some whole archs aren't officially in Debian but are in debian-ports |
| 02:38.01 | karlpinc | cantido: The facotids can be edited too. But that one's sort of full. Perhaps it needs a "<overview factoids>" sub-factoid that it references.... (ugh). Factoids are of limited length, no doubt on purpose. |
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| 02:38.16 | cantido | karlpinc: fair enough :) |
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| 02:38.34 | cantido | is standing up for the minorities |
| 02:38.42 | abrotman | karlpinc: by IRC protocol ? |
| 02:39.09 | abrotman | cantido: right .. but most of the people using that software or those architectures aren't mainstream users |
| 02:39.21 | karlpinc | abrotman: Yes. http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 02:39.56 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: what squeeze in particular mate..? |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | !squeeze |
| 02:40.07 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.4>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 02:40.07 | sirriffsalot_ | I have several active and can't find VLC in synaptic |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | sirriffsalot_: use a pastebin |
| 02:40.31 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: for what?:P |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | to show us your sources |
| 02:40.46 | sirriffsalot_ | Oh, hang on |
| 02:41.13 | sirriffsalot_ | Is there a terminal command that outputs all my sources so I can copy them instead of typing it all+ |
| 02:41.15 | sirriffsalot_ | ?* |
| 02:41.21 | cantido | sirriffsalot_: more |
| 02:41.27 | cantido | sirriffsalot_: cat |
| 02:41.40 | sirriffsalot_ | "more" and then "cat"? |
| 02:41.49 | karlpinc | abrotman: That url has a link to the infobot docs, which is what's most useful. The useful tips are "=~ s/foo/bar/" and "is <reply>" and "is <literal>". But then I may be mis-remembering. |
| 02:41.51 | cantido | more /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:42.12 | Dulak | judd: versions vlc |
| 02:42.13 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 2.0.0-6; sid: 2.0.1-4; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.2 |
| 02:42.16 | karlpinc | !tell sirriffsalot_ about pastebinit |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | karlpinc: i know how to use the bot .. |
| 02:42.33 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: pasting it now, hang on |
| 02:43.06 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/tZAxaPav |
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| 02:44.32 | abrotman | sirriffsalot_: did you try `aptitude update;aptitude install vlc' ? |
| 02:44.58 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: well, I try to avoid using terminal since I am very new to Debian.. |
| 02:45.09 | sirriffsalot_ | And if it does not show in synaptic I better not.. |
| 02:46.07 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: You can use synaptic. But you have to tell it to update now and then, or so it seems. We tend to tell people what to type, and what to know what text appears, because doing anything else in irc is tricksey. |
| 02:46.42 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: have updated it three times... still no VLC:D Could you make anything out of my pastebin? |
| 02:46.46 | rob69 | What release of debian would you say is best for a laptop squeeze/weezy/sid? does weezy get regular security updates |
| 02:46.54 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: Also, nobody knows how to write a gui. They constantly change. But if you learn the command line you're good virtually forever so you don't have to waste brain cells re-learning. |
| 02:47.03 | nevyn | imagebin.org can be made to work debugging gui stuff |
| 02:47.20 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: I know, but for now I want to keep things as safe as possible:) |
| 02:47.21 | nevyn | but it is more complicated than just doing commandline stuff. ;) |
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| 02:47.48 | cantido | rob69: I would say testing if you know what you're doing, if not use squeeze with a backport kernel etc so that your hardware works |
| 02:48.00 | notori0s | Dear #debian: I'm in a net-install, but I need access to a web browser to complete an auth page to connect to the rest of the internet to finish my install. How can I get elinks or the alternative working in a live environment |
| 02:48.01 | abrotman | rob69: how old is the laptop ? |
| 02:48.29 | rob69 | 4 or 5 years. inspiron 1525 |
| 02:48.41 | cantido | rob69: stable should work fine on that then |
| 02:48.44 | nevyn | notori0s: ooh tricky... |
| 02:48.45 | abrotman | rob69: squeeze should be a great start |
| 02:48.45 | rob69 | i was going to use the live-build. those are installable correct? |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:49.02 | nevyn | notori0s: is there a installer udeb that contains a browser? |
| 02:49.10 | rob69 | ok thanks |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | notori0s: you don't actually .. finish the install without internet .. the netinst includes w3m IIRC |
| 02:50.12 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: Dunno. Those last 2 sources.list entries could cause you problems. But that's not your current problem. You're probably not pressing the right button, and i don't know synaptic and don't want to waste my time trying to imagine what's on your screen. So perhaps you should try typing commands instead. |
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| 02:50.59 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: Alright, what command would you have me type for VLC? |
| 02:51.01 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: If you do a "aptitude update", and perhaps restart synaptic, you should see vlc. |
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| 02:51.08 | sirriffsalot_ | Hmm ok |
| 02:51.09 | sirriffsalot_ | Hang on |
| 02:51.14 | sirriffsalot_ | Why would those two give me trouble? |
| 02:51.19 | sirriffsalot_ | Two last ones that is |
| 02:51.23 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: You need to do that as root. |
| 02:51.31 | notori0s | nevyn: not sure. I was really hoping elinks existed in the live environment |
| 02:51.33 | sirriffsalot_ | Ok |
| 02:51.53 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: Because they look like random software from the internet, so who knows what they will do to your box. Did you read that wiki page? It explains. |
| 02:52.22 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: reading now:D |
| 02:52.52 | notori0s | abrotman: so there's no way for me to get a web browser in the live environment to finish the install? |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | notori0s: i have no idea .. and you really don't need it |
| 02:53.10 | nevyn | notori0s: alt-f3 should be a shell where you can run w3m maybe? |
| 02:53.15 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: But, you should know that the stock debian video players disable some codecs to comply with the law. I don't know what that will mean for your video playing. Perhaps regular dvds will not work. I think it's illegal to play those in "unauthorized" players, like your linux box. |
| 02:53.38 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: Hence the need for the wiki page. |
| 02:53.54 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: reading;) Thanks for the help so far! |
| 02:53.58 | cantido | thought there was an installer package for libdecss .. |
| 02:54.30 | nevyn | cantido: d-m |
| 02:54.34 | nevyn | !d-m |
| 02:54.35 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 02:54.36 | notori0s | nevyn: w3m isn't there. I'm at a terminal |
| 02:54.48 | sirriffsalot_ | Urrh |
| 02:54.48 | sirriffsalot_ | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 02:54.54 | karlpinc | cantido: apt-file can't find it. Dunno. Haven't paid attention in a few years. |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | notori0s: you really don't have to have the internet to do this .. you can do it after you install |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | sirriffsalot_: use apt-get |
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| 02:55.05 | cantido | nevyn: I thought there was one in debian too, that went off and downloaded it.. I haven't used DVDs for years.. |
| 02:55.10 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: If aptitude is not found then you've a very strange debian install. |
| 02:55.11 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: thought so.. |
| 02:55.18 | notori0s | abrotman: so I can just finish the install fine? |
| 02:55.21 | nevyn | abrotman: netinst doesn't include enough bits to make a functional system does it? |
| 02:55.22 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: Using AVLinux:P |
| 02:55.37 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: Well then, you're in the wrong channel. |
| 02:55.51 | abrotman | nevyn: yes, it does |
| 02:55.54 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: really?:O Can't find any channels for AVLinux:S |
| 02:55.55 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: Anything we tell you might break your system. We only know debian. |
| 02:56.04 | abrotman | notori0s: yes .. and I'm reasonably sure it includes w3m |
| 02:56.11 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: AVLinux is based on Debian.. |
| 02:56.20 | karlpinc | !tell sirriffsalot_ about based on debian |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | sirriffsalot_: it's not supported here, we already told you that |
| 02:56.39 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: huh? |
| 02:56.56 | cantido | sirriffsalot_: unless it's actually debian it isn't supported here basically |
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| 02:57.00 | notori0s | abrotman: it says command not found. But, I'll just continue then with the base system |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | sirriffsalot_: this channel is for Debian support, not support of everything else |
| 02:57.11 | abrotman | notori0s: right, good plan .. |
| 02:57.34 | notori0s | abrotman: thank you, sir |
| 02:57.41 | karlpinc | nevyn: But netinstall does not include a web browser (without hitting the web.) I think. |
| 02:57.45 | cantido | notori0s: if you login with http auth you can do it will curl too |
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| 02:58.03 | sirriffsalot_ | abrotman: alright, my apologies.. |
| 02:58.10 | nevyn | karlpinc: of course.. |
| 02:58.18 | notori0s | candito: thank you |
| 02:58.19 | nevyn | download installer components is also going to be broken.. |
| 02:58.34 | nevyn | until he auths to the proxy/captiveportal thing |
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| 02:59.08 | cantido | notori0s: I have a script that runs every 10 hours or so to do the login needed here :) |
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| 02:59.53 | notori0s | candito: university? if so, which one? |
| 02:59.57 | karlpinc | Humm. w3m is of "standard" priority. (I'm off to read the debian policy to see if that means it's in the netinstall.) |
| 03:00.14 | notori0s | candito: Ohio State here, I might make a script to do just that. Only problem is it only asks for auth in residence halls. |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | wtf .. OSU .. so 90s |
| 03:00.37 | cantido | notori0s: um, it's this housing company.. they seem to lease a massive connection from one of the upstream ISPs and then connect it to their network between apartments.. I have IPTV etc too |
| 03:00.57 | notori0s | candito: Still very neat. Thank you all |
| 03:01.02 | cantido | so I have to login every 10 hours to get to the interwebs |
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| 03:07.41 | notori0s | abrotman: unfortunately, i'm at the base install, but still no w3m |
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| 03:08.01 | notori0s | abrotman: wait, I could just download and USB stick it. Sorry, disregard. Jumped to IRC |
| 03:08.50 | abrotman | did you isntall everyhing on the CD ? |
| 03:09.23 | notori0s | I thought I did, the CD didn't seem to have elinks |
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| 03:09.46 | abrotman | w3m ? |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | didn't say elinks |
| 03:10.23 | notori0s | intended to say w3m and apoligizes |
| 03:11.21 | notori0s | i'll try again, one moment |
| 03:11.34 | abrotman | apparently i have a pile of ISOs that are not Debian .. yay |
| 03:12.08 | dvs | shred them! |
| 03:12.11 | karlpinc | notori0s: If you feel like read the wget or curl man pages it's possible to use those -- tell them to save cookies, post data etc. Probably not worth it.... |
| 03:12.21 | karlpinc | dvs: I prefer the microwave. |
| 03:12.23 | nevyn | notori0s: cd1 or dvd1 might have made this easier? |
| 03:12.30 | abrotman | might have! |
| 03:12.34 | dvs | prefers model rocket |
| 03:12.34 | abrotman | no adventure! |
| 03:12.38 | notori0s | that makes too much sense |
| 03:12.48 | notori0s | and abrotman makes the point I was going to |
| 03:13.29 | Black_Beret | hello mates |
| 03:13.40 | Black_Beret | i need little bit help here |
| 03:13.43 | nevyn | dvs: ooh me too... |
| 03:13.44 | Black_Beret | 2 questions |
| 03:13.52 | Black_Beret | anyone can help me |
| 03:14.00 | Black_Beret | its about meta characters |
| 03:14.02 | Black_Beret | and globbing |
| 03:14.05 | cantido | Black_Beret: just ask |
| 03:14.10 | Black_Beret | ok |
| 03:14.43 | Black_Beret | the is if need to search for all the files who start whit an a and finish whit a d i can do it |
| 03:14.49 | Black_Beret | no problem whit that |
| 03:14.52 | Black_Beret | ls | grep ^e.*.d$ |
| 03:15.33 | abrotman | Black_Beret: find . -name a*d ? |
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| 03:15.44 | Black_Beret | but what if i need search for the files who start whit an a second letter is o and finish whit d the same |
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| 03:16.06 | Black_Beret | right can use find |
| 03:16.13 | Black_Beret | now |
| 03:16.45 | Black_Beret | what if i need to search all the files who don't start whit a vocal and finish whit a d |
| 03:16.49 | Black_Beret | how can i do that |
| 03:16.53 | abrotman | english ? |
| 03:16.57 | seeker61 | winscp is a windows ftp tool and works great -- gives two windows with drag and drop capability. i was hoping that secpanel or putty had the same two window kind of thing but they just open into a terminal window which i can do without them. what am i missing |
| 03:17.02 | Black_Beret | i though doing this ! |
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| 03:17.10 | Black_Beret | but it dont work |
| 03:17.39 | Black_Beret | sorry |
| 03:18.05 | Black_Beret | what if i need to search all the files who don't start whit a [aeiou] and finish whit a d |
| 03:18.18 | Black_Beret | how can i do that kind a search |
| 03:18.47 | Black_Beret | i try doing this [!aeiou] |
| 03:18.54 | Black_Beret | but don't work |
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| 03:21.34 | ElGrotto | find -regex "^[!aeiou].*[d]$" .. something like that (sorry my regex is a bit lapsing but it's a start I guess -- if someone else gives a better one, use that) |
| 03:22.30 | Black_Beret | whit the quotes? |
| 03:22.33 | karlpinc | seeker61: Use the fireftp firefox plugin with iceweasel. |
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| 03:22.34 | Black_Beret | i will try |
| 03:22.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | Black_Beret: did you try asking #bash ? |
| 03:22.54 | Black_Beret | if course i did |
| 03:23.01 | karlpinc | seeker61: (I think....) |
| 03:23.05 | Black_Beret | but still can do the script |
| 03:23.12 | Black_Beret | can't |
| 03:23.17 | Black_Beret | sorry for my english |
| 03:23.18 | seeker61 | karlpinc: ok i will give that a try |
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| 03:25.48 | seeker61 | karlpinc: where will i find that i went to plugins in iceweasel and did not find it |
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| 03:28.31 | notori0s | Yeah, I did a re-install playing more attention, and installed all there was. No included w3m |
| 03:29.18 | cantido | would download the first disc and install with that.. |
| 03:29.25 | seeker61 | karlpinc: i think i found it thanks. |
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| 03:32.16 | notori0s | candito: wait, you're saying I have to use another cd! I'm a poor college kid! |
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| 03:32.29 | notori0s | yeah, that'll probably happen. I'm just frustrated with it though. |
| 03:32.59 | nevyn | sirriffsalot_: see ;) |
| 03:33.09 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: huh?:) |
| 03:33.31 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: this would be the wrong channel too since we're into AVLinux |
| 03:33.36 | cantido | notori0s: if you got it installed though.. get a usb flash drive and copy across the packages you need |
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| 03:33.54 | notori0s | candito: risking dependency hell, but i'll do it |
| 03:34.03 | nevyn | ah I thought you were using debian I have no idea about avlinux... |
| 03:34.15 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: ... ok:) |
| 03:34.18 | cantido | notori0s: if you use packages.debian.org you can get the deps too |
| 03:34.40 | notori0s | candito: hooray |
| 03:35.06 | cantido | notori0s: you only need to get elinks or whatever installed, shouldn't be too much of an issue |
| 03:35.55 | notori0s | candito: righto, thank you very much. I'll give an update too. I'm also doing homework so this is a hilariously long process |
| 03:36.35 | cantido | once you have internet access it'll be a lot smoother |
| 03:36.43 | cantido | unless you're on 56k speed internet |
| 03:37.04 | abrotman | mmm .. 56k |
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| 03:37.45 | cantido | used to have 56k on a serial port that could only manage 33.6k.. :( |
| 03:38.11 | notori0s | feels sorrow and is too young to have ever experienced that problem |
| 03:38.24 | dvs | digs up his Courier modem |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | i have a modem in this laptop |
| 03:39.11 | cantido | notori0s: I used to buy debian cd's because downloading even the first disc would take a week |
| 03:39.28 | nevyn | remembers pulling the house wiring of the network termination point and getting 1k more sync speed |
| 03:39.40 | nevyn | s/of/off/ |
| 03:39.42 | notori0s | candito and nevyn: holy god |
| 03:40.28 | nevyn | and way more reliable. |
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| 03:41.30 | cantido | the good thing about buying CD sets was that you could install most of a decent desktop system without going online |
| 03:42.14 | legasp | how much is a cd set? |
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| 03:42.56 | cantido | um, I think it was about 10 pounds or $20 back then for 5 or so cds |
| 03:42.56 | Maccer | I deleted some xdm config files, so I decided to reinstall xdm, but debian no longer creates the configuration files, how can I make it so do? |
| 03:42.59 | abrotman | legasp: used to be like 2-3$ per CD |
| 03:43.02 | cantido | doesn't have a pound key |
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| 03:43.07 | jenifferrr | hello i don-t know what i did that my hdd of windows partition says unallocated space |
| 03:43.14 | jenifferrr | what can i do to see my windows files? pls |
| 03:43.21 | legasp | so like $20 for a set |
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| 03:43.55 | cantido | jenifferrr: did you overwrite your partition table? |
| 03:44.00 | abrotman | http://linuxcentral.com/catalog/index.php3?prod_code=L000-526&id=C1CVPYV2ss6C6 .. hehe .. 14 CD set |
| 03:44.05 | legasp | jenifferrr, I've never done that, but I assume it would be somewhere in your /mount or /media directory |
| 03:44.11 | legasp | dang! |
| 03:44.28 | jenifferrr | cantido: uhm no I mean i did not write anything in the partition |
| 03:44.33 | cantido | abrotman: I wonder how they worked out that list price! |
| 03:44.44 | jenifferrr | cantido: but I did something with gparted, but i did not delete the files |
| 03:44.47 | jenifferrr | Im sure of that |
| 03:45.21 | cantido | jenifferrr: doesn't matter if you touched the files.. if you messed up the partition table the OS doesn't know where that filesystem is anymore |
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| 03:45.36 | Maccer | jenifferrr: I assume you've applied the changes? You didn't delete it but it shows unallocated space? |
| 03:45.37 | jenifferrr | cantido: and there is no way to fix it???? |
| 03:45.47 | legasp | check your /mnt or /media folders for something like sda1 or hda1 |
| 03:45.50 | jenifferrr | Maccer: yes ;9 |
| 03:46.10 | Maccer | I haven't used gparted in a while but, try right clicking on the unallocated space and see if you change change the partition type to ntfs (windows) |
| 03:46.13 | legasp | long shot, but that's the first thing I'd do |
| 03:46.23 | Maccer | (but don't allocate any new space) |
| 03:46.47 | legasp | oh disregard me |
| 03:46.51 | legasp | I didn't see your other messages |
| 03:46.53 | jenifferrr | oh god |
| 03:46.57 | cantido | jenifferrr: well, unless you overwrote it, the partition is still on the disk,.. you can maybe put the partition table back. There is a tool that can find files from the raw data on the disk. I forgot what it's called though |
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| 03:47.16 | Rusty1 | testdisk |
| 03:47.27 | Maccer | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/recovering.html |
| 03:47.28 | legasp | dd rescue |
| 03:47.40 | jenifferrr | create partition table Maccer ? |
| 03:47.42 | legasp | i had to use it recently |
| 03:47.49 | Maccer | jenifferrr: NO. |
| 03:48.00 | jenifferrr | uhm it says unallocated |
| 03:48.06 | jenifferrr | but does not say to allocate and select fat or something |
| 03:48.30 | stew | Maccer: change the partition type of something that isn't a partition? |
| 03:48.46 | Maccer | stew -> direct to jenifferrr |
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| 03:48.58 | stew | Maccer: what? |
| 03:49.03 | jenifferrr | sorry? |
| 03:49.07 | Maccer | stew: This is jenifferrr's problem, not mine. |
| 03:49.38 | jenifferrr | let me upload a screenshoot |
| 03:49.38 | stew | Maccer: i'm just questioning your advice of telling jenifferrr to change the partition type of something that isn't a partition, I don't see how that makes sense |
| 03:49.43 | jenifferrr | sorry this is my first time with linux >* |
| 03:49.52 | stew | jenifferrr: do you have a backup? |
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| 03:50.09 | Maccer | stew: Wasn't my advice, lol. |
| 03:50.16 | jenifferrr | well that folder in windows is my backup |
| 03:50.29 | stew | < Maccer> I haven't used gparted in a while but, try right clicking on the unallocated space and see if you change change the partition type to ntfs (windows) |
| 03:50.37 | jenifferrr | here is guys http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/screenshotat20120413034.png/ |
| 03:50.38 | nevyn | since you last saw that folder.. what steps have you done? |
| 03:50.39 | Maccer | Oh, bleh, yeah. |
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| 03:50.43 | peterrooney | cantido: scalpel is the file carving tool if partition table does get completely hosed |
| 03:51.18 | stew | jenifferrr: if you have room on some other disk to backup this one, now would be a good time |
| 03:51.19 | Maccer | stew: She(?) deleted a partition table by accident, there could be an available GUI option to restore it |
| 03:51.22 | cantido | peterrooney: is that the fbi or something one? there was one by some US agency that could find fragments on a disk and reconstruct them |
| 03:51.23 | jenifferrr | it does not say anything about change the partition type |
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| 03:51.56 | jenifferrr | stew: that-s what i want to backup those files to the jenny partition |
| 03:52.03 | peterrooney | cantido: I don't know who wrote it |
| 03:52.06 | peterrooney | ,versions scalpel |
| 03:52.07 | judd | Package: scalpel on i386 -- lenny: 1.60-1; sid: 1.60-1; squeeze: 1.60-1; wheezy: 1.60-1 |
| 03:52.08 | jenifferrr | it is a folder in that unallocated space called jenny in my documents of my windows 7 partition |
| 03:53.13 | jenifferrr | you see guys? |
| 03:54.34 | stew | jenifferrr: when you say "the jenny partition" do you mean the one mounted to /media/jenny ? |
| 03:54.45 | stew | jenifferrr: or do you mean the one that no longer exists? |
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| 03:54.56 | jenifferrr | stew: yes |
| 03:55.01 | stew | ... |
| 03:55.05 | stew | which? |
| 03:55.09 | jenifferrr | the unallocated space is where ALL my files are |
| 03:55.12 | aarobc_work | what's the default vnc server installed on debian? |
| 03:55.21 | simonlnu | aarobc_work: no default |
| 03:55.21 | jenifferrr | the jenny mounted partition is the one I created to move the windos files to linux |
| 03:55.45 | stew | jenifferrr: do you have another disk with 150G free? if so, I'd recommend backing this one up before you start altering it to try to recover the partition which was deleted |
| 03:55.46 | aarobc_work | simonlnu: well there sure seems to be, at least the desktop one anyway. |
| 03:55.49 | cantido | notes that he couldn't get any of the VNC servers to work with any of the "modern" desktops like KDE, Gnome etc.. |
| 03:55.54 | jenifferrr | stew: no |
| 03:56.03 | Maccer | jenifferrr: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=help-manual#gparted-recover-partition-table |
| 03:56.05 | jenifferrr | stew: I just want a folder inside that unallocatdd space |
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| 03:56.35 | Maccer | Links to this: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk, jenifferrr |
| 03:56.39 | simonlnu | aarobc_work: that's with gnome, probably... not debian per se. |
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| 03:57.26 | aarobc_work | simonlnu: indeed... well, I tried searching for anything "vnc" on the machine, but I can't find it. I'm wanting to find it, and kill it. |
| 03:57.34 | Maccer | eww, looks like TestDisk is windows-based. |
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| 03:57.43 | Rusty1 | jenifferrr: there is only the one drive in the computer? |
| 03:57.53 | aarobc_work | I know it's running, because I can open up a vnc client and connect to it |
| 03:57.58 | Maccer | Nope, I'm wrong, testdisk is also available for *nix |
| 03:58.03 | stew | jenifferrr: so there used to be a single partition on this disk, then you created a new one for transferring files back and forth, and now the original one is gone? |
| 03:58.13 | Rusty1 | Maccer: no there is a linux version , and in the repos IIRC |
| 03:58.27 | jenifferrr | Rusty1: what do you men |
| 03:58.28 | jenifferrr | mean |
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| 03:59.00 | jenifferrr | stew: yes just one partition called C; for windows then ai created jenny and then something went wrong and I accidentaly lost c; |
| 03:59.06 | Rusty1 | jenifferrr: you didnt add a second drive and install debian to that |
| 03:59.07 | simonlnu | aarobc_work: might do better looking for the port |
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| 03:59.16 | Maccer | jenifferrr: sudo apt-get install testdisk |
| 03:59.18 | jenifferrr | Rusty1: im in a live cd |
| 03:59.20 | Maccer | Oh. |
| 03:59.22 | jenifferrr | Maccer: done, now |
| 03:59.39 | simonlnu | doh. i thought that was a chanmode for a moment, hehe |
| 03:59.53 | Maccer | I'm not sure how aptitude works in livemode but try typing in 'testdisk' |
| 04:00.01 | jenifferrr | ok |
| 04:00.04 | Maccer | In the terminal/console jenifferrr |
| 04:00.08 | gez | Hi. I just updated my system and fontypython stopped working (it doesn't install or uninstall pogs). Previous version was working fine y my systems (Debian Testing). |
| 04:00.47 | gez | Should I re-open the bug report that was closed with the current version or file a new one? |
| 04:00.57 | gez | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665073 |
| 04:01.08 | stew | jenifferrr: its unlikely that you are going to be able to recover the partition, since you've overwritten with new stuff. something like scalpel to try to recover individual files might be your best chance, but again, i'd back everything up before writing anything else to this disk |
| 04:01.10 | simonlnu | !dbugs 665073 |
| 04:01.14 | dpkg | DONE:#665073:S[src:fontypython] fontypython: FTBFS: rm: cannot remove `/ëPKGBUILDDIRû/debian/fontypython/usr/share/pyshared/fontypythonmodules/COPYING': No such file or directory (sid wheezy); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:38:18 UTC [] |
| 04:01.45 | simonlnu | eek.. |
| 04:01.50 | Rusty1 | jenifferrr: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step, altho i'm not familiar with scalpel |
| 04:02.24 | somiaj | gez: check the version number effected |
| 04:02.30 | Maccer | Rusty1 && jenifferrr: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk:_undelete_file_for_ext2 (I know it's ext2, but it should work for ntfs, and it's a linux tutorial) |
| 04:02.34 | aarobc_work | oops, I just accadentally removed gnome |
| 04:02.39 | somiaj | gez: it can take up to a week for bug fixes to make it though sid and into testing |
| 04:02.49 | somiaj | gez: well a week (maybe more) |
| 04:03.00 | simonlnu | longer even. minimum 10d |
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| 04:03.05 | gez | somiaj: 0.4.2.3-3 worked fin, 0.4.2.3-4 doesn't. |
| 04:03.08 | gez | *fine |
| 04:03.39 | somiaj | gez: I mean what version has the bug? |
| 04:03.55 | jenifferrr | Maccer: the software is scannig |
| 04:03.57 | somiaj | or better yet what version did the bug report say it was fixed in |
| 04:03.59 | gez | 0.4.2.3-4, current in testing |
| 04:04.14 | gez | somiaj ^ |
| 04:04.15 | somiaj | ,versions pogs |
| 04:04.16 | judd | No package named 'pogs' was found in i386. |
| 04:04.23 | Maccer | jenifferrr: So testdisk works? |
| 04:04.39 | gez | pogs is the term for font groups in fonty pythin |
| 04:04.41 | gez | python |
| 04:05.02 | gez | It basically creates symlinks in .fonts pointing to the locations of the font files. |
| 04:05.34 | gez | a pog is a group of symlinks that fontypython loads or unloads |
| 04:05.36 | somiaj | ,versions fontypython |
| 04:05.37 | judd | Package: fontypython on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.6-1; squeeze: 0.4.2.3-2; sid: 0.4.2.3-4; wheezy: 0.4.2.3-4 |
| 04:05.38 | jenifferrr | Maccer: looks likee ;D |
| 04:05.43 | jenifferrr | 40% |
| 04:05.46 | jenifferrr | i will let you know |
| 04:05.50 | Maccer | cool! |
| 04:06.08 | somiaj | gez: maybe you got hit by the bug and have to create the links manually....as opposed to it not being fixed. |
| 04:06.27 | stew | jenifferrr: if it is able to recover files, where are you going to put them? |
| 04:06.35 | gez | somiaj: I started from scratch with no groups created. |
| 04:06.35 | Maccer | so how did you delete your ntfs in the first place? |
| 04:06.39 | gez | It doesn't work at all |
| 04:06.58 | somiaj | gez: well if you think the bug is still effecting you, yes reopen that report and give them all the info you can |
| 04:06.59 | gez | clean .fonts folder and no .fontypython |
| 04:07.44 | gez | somiaj: No, maybe I didn't express myself correctly. I'm not affected by the bug I linked. I'm affected that the new version that supposedly fixed that bug. |
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| 04:07.51 | gez | (which I never suffered, btw) |
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| 04:08.03 | gez | New version doesn't work. Old one worked fine. |
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| 04:08.50 | somiaj | so report that their fix broke your system and provided them with your system info. |
| 04:08.53 | gez | Actually I have two wheezy installs here, and one still has the old version and it's working great. The one that has been upgraded has a broken fontypython |
| 04:09.10 | gez | Ah, ok. That's what I wanted to know. |
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| 04:09.23 | gez | If it was proper to report that kind of stuff in the same report. |
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| 04:10.12 | somiaj | you could just open a bug and reference that. |
| 04:10.22 | somiaj | but yes seems like it is related to the same issue, hence same bug |
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| 04:11.49 | gez | somiaj: It's my first time reporting bugs in Debian. Do I have to register or something or just sending an email to 665073@bugs.debian.org should suffice? |
| 04:12.08 | somiaj | gez: don't have to register, though if your system is connected to the net use reportbug |
| 04:12.20 | abrotman | he can use any email client |
| 04:12.20 | somiaj | it will generate all the relevant info about your system, packages/versions |
| 04:12.29 | abrotman | espeically if appending a bug |
| 04:12.31 | gez | Ah, great. |
| 04:12.35 | gez | Thanks. |
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| 04:14.47 | jenifferrr | it asks me for reboot |
| 04:14.50 | jenifferrr | i will reboot |
| 04:15.01 | jenifferrr | ok Maccer ? |
| 04:15.07 | jenifferrr | it found the partitions |
| 04:15.19 | somiaj | jenifferrr: you are botted on alive system? |
| 04:15.20 | Maccer | jenifferrr: ok, but did you recover them? |
| 04:15.21 | jenifferrr | and I selected to make them primary is it ok? or logical or bootable what do you think |
| 04:15.32 | Maccer | did you follow http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk:_undelete_file_for_ext2 ? |
| 04:15.34 | somiaj | jenifferrr: and are modifying the drive you didn't boot from? |
| 04:15.50 | jenifferrr | Maccer: no I followed the program instructions |
| 04:16.23 | Maccer | uhm, okay, sure, just as long as you found the partition, but i would set it to bootable given the choice of 'logical or bootable' in your situation |
| 04:16.45 | jenifferrr | oh |
| 04:16.46 | jenifferrr | ok |
| 04:16.53 | jenifferrr | then i will set them bootable, right? |
| 04:16.54 | sirriffsalot_ | Can I not overwrite a installation iso on a CD that already has something on it?-.- |
| 04:17.29 | jenifferrr | let me reboot and try |
| 04:17.39 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: unless it is a cdrw you cannot overwrite data on a cd |
| 04:17.53 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: ffs... |
| 04:18.00 | somiaj | (there is multisession cds if you want to append data, but that won't help with a bootable iso) |
| 04:18.13 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: do you have a usb thumb drive? You can copy the install iso onto that |
| 04:18.30 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: I do, but I just know it's gonna go terribly wrong... |
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| 04:18.45 | sirriffsalot_ | Wait |
| 04:18.45 | stew | sirriffsalot_: how do you know this? what is going to go wrong? |
| 04:18.49 | sirriffsalot_ | Is it as simple as that? |
| 04:18.50 | Rusty1 | reboot and try, but come back to the livecd if it fails and look again jenifferrr |
| 04:19.09 | sirriffsalot_ | Just F12, select the USB and press enter on the ISO file? |
| 04:19.14 | stew | sirriffsalot_: if your thumb drive is /dev/sdx then "cp foo.iso /dev/sdx" should create a working installer |
| 04:19.18 | sirriffsalot_ | I have a lot of other files on my pendrive, can't remove them atm |
| 04:19.38 | stew | sirriffsalot_: no, you don't put the iso file onto a filesystem on the drive you replace the entire drive contents with the .iso |
| 04:20.03 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: well that's out of the question=( |
| 04:20.14 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: yea you will destory the info on the drive if you go that method, unless you can back it up elsewhere |
| 04:20.42 | sirriffsalot_ | Fuck this, I'll throw all my shit on this partition and override this partition later if it works lol |
| 04:20.43 | sirriffsalot_ | Hang on |
| 04:20.47 | sirriffsalot_ | Thanks for the help by the way! |
| 04:21.19 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: so all I have to do is remove everything on the drive, then copy the iso over and I'm good to go? |
| 04:21.21 | somiaj | though if you wanted to be tricky you could configure grub, put it on the mbr of your usb drive and boot from the .iso on the filesystem |
| 04:21.33 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: correct, though I use dd or cat myself. (: |
| 04:21.43 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: dd or cat? |
| 04:22.05 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: I didn't know cp worked, but I don't see why it won't. Go tha tmethod |
| 04:22.19 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: I use 'dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX' |
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| 04:22.28 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: what are you on about?:d |
| 04:22.34 | stew | that does the same as cp with a less efficient blocksize |
| 04:22.53 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: I have no idea what you're talking about:-S Talk as if I were a beginner please |
| 04:22.53 | stew | all of them do the same thing, open files, copy stuff from one to the other until you run out of stuff on the source or run out of room on the dest |
| 04:23.05 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: follow stew's command, it will work. |
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| 04:23.27 | sirriffsalot_ | Uuuhm |
| 04:23.39 | sirriffsalot_ | cp foo.iso...? |
| 04:23.48 | sirriffsalot_ | The iso is called |
| 04:23.49 | sirriffsalot_ | Uhm |
| 04:23.54 | sirriffsalot_ | Haha where is it |
| 04:24.20 | sirriffsalot_ | dreamstudio_11.10.iso... |
| 04:24.33 | stew | uh |
| 04:24.34 | sirriffsalot_ | Do explain the command! |
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| 04:24.37 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: this is not a debian install iso? |
| 04:24.47 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: nope... |
| 04:24.57 | stew | sirriffsalot_: we were all assuming you were installing debian, no idea if what we are telling you would work with a random iso |
| 04:25.14 | sirriffsalot_ | Well, I am running from a Debian platform.. |
| 04:25.20 | stew | sirriffsalot_: debian has gone out of its way to make sure that what we are telling you will work, no idea if whomever created that iso did the same |
| 04:25.34 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: well this is off topic for for some random dreamstidio iso. debian doesn't really support installing of non debian software, but |
| 04:25.56 | sirriffsalot_ | But, I hope the pendrive-emptyit-copyisointoit-bootit will work? |
| 04:25.58 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: if all you want is the data off that iso, just type 'mount -o loop dreamstudio_11.10.sio /mnt' |
| 04:26.17 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: I don't want the data, i want to install it:D |
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| 04:26.24 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: is that the command for doing so? |
| 04:26.24 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: you dont need to use a usb thumb drive for that. We gave you suggestions to install debian |
| 04:26.50 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: #debian won't support installing unoffical software. I just told you how to mount the iso. If there is an installer on it for linux you can run it from the iso you mounted. |
| 04:27.18 | stew | hmm, i dunno if there is an easy way to determine of an iso is a hybrid iso |
| 04:27.44 | stew | the only one I have says "(bootable)" in `file`, but I don't know if that is diagnostic |
| 04:27.48 | somiaj | dreamstudio sounds like an application (not an os) so seem weird if was even bootable much less a hybrid iso. |
| 04:27.50 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: so that command 'moun -o loop dreamstudio_11.10.iso /mnt' will be just like running the thing as if it were a CD? |
| 04:27.57 | sirriffsalot_ | From boot as it were |
| 04:28.24 | stew | sirriffsalot_: no, not running, but mounting, just make the files on that iso available in your directory tree |
| 04:28.53 | stew | and that sould be 'mount' not 'moun' |
| 04:29.04 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: where exactly would that be? |
| 04:29.17 | stew | in /mnt |
| 04:29.29 | stew | by the second argument to that command |
| 04:29.37 | stew | if i'm understanding your question |
| 04:29.41 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: so after I put it there, and run that command, what will happen?:d |
| 04:29.54 | stew | "put it there"? |
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| 04:30.01 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: dreamstuido looks to be its own custom livedvd/iso use their support. #debian dosen't support stuff like that. |
| 04:30.02 | sirriffsalot_ | the iso file in /mnt |
| 04:30.21 | somiaj | stew: seems dreamstudio is some based on ubuntu live system you can install if you like |
| 04:30.42 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: so what you're giving me now is a Debian solution and not compatible with dreamstudio? |
| 04:31.01 | stew | sirriffsalot_: after you run "mount -o loop /path/to/some/iso /mnt", for example, "ls /mnt" would show you the contents of the iso |
| 04:31.17 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: I'm saying dreamstudio is not supported here. Go use their support. |
| 04:31.17 | stew | sirriffsalot_: what we are saying is that we don't know anything about dreamstudio |
| 04:31.44 | sirriffsalot_ | Ok |
| 04:31.48 | somiaj | it appears to be a hybrid iso (from a quick glance at their webpage) so the original cp option would work. Figure it out, or read their documentation. |
| 04:32.09 | sirriffsalot_ | My easiest solution would be to take a DVD that has something written to it and put a iso on top of it... is there NO way of doing this? |
| 04:32.36 | stew | sirriffsalot_: there might be, don't expect to then boot from that iso |
| 04:32.41 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: there are various cd/dvd burining tools in debian. I use wodim from the command line but I'm sure others can suggest graphical front ends. |
| 04:33.05 | somiaj | oh wait, no you cannot write on top of a dvd. You need a blank (unless you have a dvdRW) |
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| 04:33.11 | stew | sirriffsalot_: if it is really a hybrid iso, then copying it overtop of a thumb drive should make a usable installer |
| 04:33.27 | sirriffsalot_ | How do I tell if it is a hybrid? |
| 04:33.35 | stew | i don't know |
| 04:35.09 | sirriffsalot_ | That dvdRW sounds tempting |
| 04:35.14 | sirriffsalot_ | Suppose I find one, what should I do? |
| 04:35.44 | somiaj | sirriffsalot_: burn it of course. Now go read the documentation on dreamstuido's webpage and use their support. |
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| 04:38.16 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: Haha, was going to |
| 04:38.27 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: Now starts the desperate quest for a rw dvd |
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| 04:38.41 | sirriffsalot_ | I really appreciate your patience with me... people can be brutal at times=( |
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| 04:39.00 | somiaj | just go buy a blank dvd, cheaper and easier to use then a dvdrw |
| 04:39.26 | sirriffsalot_ | somiaj: cba to wait two hours:D |
| 04:39.54 | stew | or get a spare thumb drive |
| 04:40.15 | stew | (assuming that it would work, which it sounds like it would) |
| 04:40.23 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: :P can |
| 04:40.25 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: ups |
| 04:40.37 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: don't have any spare ones=( |
| 04:41.04 | sirriffsalot_ | Here's a one in a million: where do you two live? Lol |
| 04:41.06 | sirriffsalot_ | Perhaps we're neighbours |
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| 04:42.55 | sirriffsalot_ | I keep finding DVD's that have "RW" labels on them, but the "dvd sentence" is only "DVD+R"... |
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| 04:43.50 | stew | i'm in a boat crossing the pacific |
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| 04:43.52 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: those are rewriteable - i'm not sure but a dvd writer that does not handle rewriting may still be able to use them as normal dvd+r media |
| 04:45.01 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: oh sorry, i'm not 100% sure i read your statement correctly, but yea you want dvd+rw not just dvd+r |
| 04:45.39 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: ok |
| 04:45.46 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: no way, cool. How come?:D |
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| 04:47.04 | stew | sirriffsalot_: because I'm a pathalogical liar |
| 04:47.21 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: way to spoil the fun.. |
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| 04:48.43 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 04:49.03 | sirriffsalot_ | I have a SanDisk USB which has some vaults in it and stuff... Suppose I remove everything except those and throw the iso in there, will those other default things create issues+ |
| 04:49.03 | sirriffsalot_ | ?* |
| 04:49.08 | sirriffsalot_ | johnfg: hello! |
| 04:49.09 | johnfg | I note that the virtualbox site has a much more recent version for squeeze, 4.1.12 vs. 3.2.10. |
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| 04:49.33 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: probably |
| 04:49.45 | johnfg | Since it's for squeeze, should there be any problems in installing the newer version? |
| 04:49.49 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: I'm cursed... lol |
| 04:49.51 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: but i'm assuming "vaults" == files |
| 04:49.59 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: i don't actually know what "vaults" are |
| 04:50.26 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: they are pre-configured functions within a usb:P |
| 04:50.35 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: In my case they're called vaults etc |
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| 04:50.57 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: they are a hardware feature? |
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| 04:51.10 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: I guess |
| 04:51.28 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: probably not then, but this is quite vague to me |
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| 04:52.26 | stew | sirriffsalot_: the method we were talking about would replace the contents of the the thumb drive |
| 04:52.30 | stew | not selectively |
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| 04:53.21 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: Hence my question... I'll just keep looking for RW dvd's then;D |
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| 04:53.45 | gnarface | stew: unless "vaults" just means its several usb keys tied to one usb plug |
| 04:53.57 | gnarface | stew: accessible individually with a physical switch on the usb stick or something |
| 04:54.18 | gnarface | stew: without any context there's no real way to know |
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| 04:56.50 | johnfg | I note that the virtualbox site has a much more recent version for squeeze, 4.1.12 vs. 3.2.10. |
| 04:59.16 | stew | judd: versions virtualbox |
| 04:59.18 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.1.12-dfsg-2 |
| 04:59.24 | stew | judd: where are you seeing 3.2.10? |
| 04:59.29 | stew | err johnfg ^^ |
| 05:00.00 | stew | ahh |
| 05:00.05 | johnfg | stew, That's what I installed on squeeze through synaptic. It doesn't show any updates. |
| 05:00.07 | stew | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
| 05:00.08 | judd | Package: virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.1.12-dfsg-2 |
| 05:00.30 | stew | johnfg: no, it would only get updated for security patches to the 3.2.10 version since squeeze is stable |
| 05:00.33 | johnfg | stew, Right. what's the ose anyway? |
| 05:00.53 | stew | johnfg: that it is the free version, iirc |
| 05:00.56 | johnfg | Is there some reason for that vs. the 4.1.12? |
| 05:01.01 | Dulak | If you need usb, use the non-ose version from virtualbox's site |
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| 05:01.12 | sirriffsalot_ | Haha |
| 05:01.14 | Dulak | It's still free just not open source. |
| 05:01.24 | sirriffsalot_ | Would using a phone memory stick work as boot? |
| 05:01.26 | sirriffsalot_ | If it had enough space? |
| 05:01.49 | stew | johnfg: 4.1.12 didn't exist when squeeze was frozen |
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| 05:02.12 | stew | Dulak: free but not open source doesn't make sense |
| 05:02.22 | karlpinc | johnfg: The latest may or may not make it's way into backports. |
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| 05:02.39 | Dulak | Free as in you can use it without paying for it, not open source in that the source code is not released. |
| 05:02.42 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: it would depend on your hardware |
| 05:03.02 | johnfg | So, you think i could install 4.1.12 deb that I downloaded from virtualbox with no problem? |
| 05:03.08 | stew | Dulak: our operating definition of "free" is the dfsg |
| 05:03.12 | sirriffsalot_ | Meh, this computer doesn't have the ability to take them in anyway.. |
| 05:03.14 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: assuming your motherboard can boot from it, and you have a working drive/port attached (with kernel support) then yea, sure |
| 05:03.24 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: :P |
| 05:03.28 | Dulak | stew: You can call free whatever you like, when I say free, I mean no money. |
| 05:04.00 | stew | Dulak: you should clarify that in here as it is a very well defined term in this channel |
| 05:04.16 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: you have all these blank dvd-r disks around, why not just use one of them, then use it as a coaster? |
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| 05:05.02 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: Never said I have blank DVD+R disks:/ |
| 05:05.16 | sirriffsalot_ | or DVD-R:P |
| 05:05.20 | sirriffsalot_ | All of 'em are full |
| 05:05.34 | sirriffsalot_ | Used my last one for this ridiculous AVLinux/Debian thing |
| 05:06.02 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: do you have a working linux box on hand? |
| 05:06.17 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: Working linux box? |
| 05:07.13 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: well you don't necessarily *need* install media; if you're desperate and you have none you could always pull the harddrive from the computer you want to install to and plug it temporarily into one with debian already on it |
| 05:07.24 | gnarface | sirriffsalot_: then just do a debootstrap install and put it back |
| 05:08.06 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: As it would be my first attempt, now is not a good time for trying to learn how to do that haha:) |
| 05:08.12 | sirriffsalot_ | gnarface: but thanks though! |
| 05:08.12 | stew | gnarface: he's trying to install something that isn't debian |
| 05:08.21 | gnarface | oh |
| 05:08.36 | johnfg | Will the 4.1.12 install cleanly over the older version? |
| 05:08.39 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: You're _still_ trying to get avlinux support here? |
| 05:08.47 | sirriffsalot_ | karlpinc: nope |
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| 05:09.43 | karlpinc | johnfg: The 4.0.something from backports will. It's hard to say about anything else. |
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| 05:10.11 | stew | johnfg: you are getting this 4.1.12 from where? |
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| 05:11.54 | johnfg | stew, karlpinc I got this version as spm didn't have the more recent. And I do have backports in my sources. |
| 05:12.22 | johnfg | I mean to say I got this version from virtualbox, as synaptic package manager didn't have it. |
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| 05:12.46 | karlpinc | johnfg: To install from backports you need to use -t with aptitude. (Who knows what you need to do from synaptic?) |
| 05:12.53 | xbix | good morning, guys |
| 05:13.18 | karlpinc | johnfg: There's a faq on backports.debian.org. |
| 05:13.34 | johnfg | Still 47 mins. til morning here :-) but good morning, anyway! |
| 05:13.35 | Dulak | None of the ose versions have usb that works right, so if you need usb, you pretty much have to use the non-ose version. Sun/Oracle are not exactly the epitome of open software. |
| 05:13.35 | xbix | abrotman: Sir, my respects. |
| 05:14.13 | xbix | johnfg: [09:13]johnfg: Still 47 mins. til morning here :-) but good morning, anyway! |
| 05:14.13 | xbix | i am from Russia |
| 05:14.33 | johnfg | I'm in Montana! |
| 05:14.39 | johnfg | What's up? |
| 05:14.50 | sirriffsalot_ | How can I mount a usb as root so I can delete whatever I want in Debian? |
| 05:14.51 | karlpinc | #debian-offtopic for that sort of question. |
| 05:15.20 | stew | sirriffsalot_: mount /dev/whatever /mountpoint |
| 05:15.30 | johnfg | karlpinc, I was actually saying that in regards to him being here, not only being friendly :-) |
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| 05:16.51 | johnfg | karlpinc, how does: sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports virtualbox, look? |
| 05:17.00 | sirriffsalot_ | What do I put for /mountpoint? Haha:) |
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| 05:17.13 | karlpinc | johnfg: Plausable. (I don't know apt-get off the top of my head.) |
| 05:17.18 | stew | sirriffsalot_: a directory where you want the files to show up |
| 05:17.31 | sirriffsalot_ | Ok:) |
| 05:17.40 | karlpinc | johnfg: Although i'd bet it's the virtualbox-ose package, not virtualbox. |
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| 05:17.44 | johnfg | What would that be with aptitude? |
| 05:17.52 | stew | johnfg: the same |
| 05:17.54 | stew | with either |
| 05:17.59 | karlpinc | johnfg: Same thing, only aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 05:17.59 | johnfg | stew, k. |
| 05:18.06 | sirriffsalot_ | mount: /media/PENDRIVE is not a block device |
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| 05:18.57 | johnfg | !version virtualbox |
| 05:19.04 | stew | judd: versions virtualbox |
| 05:19.05 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.1.12-dfsg-2 |
| 05:19.23 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: what does that output tell me I should do?:P |
| 05:19.35 | karlpinc | sirriffsalot_: That's for johnfg |
| 05:19.45 | stew | sirriffsalot_: how did you come up with /media/PENDRIVE ? |
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| 05:19.57 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: cause that's where my pendrive is:D |
| 05:20.06 | johnfg | It does list 4.1.12 as being for squeeze on the virtualbox site. Maybe I'll try that with a local install, eh? |
| 05:20.12 | stew | sirriffsalot_: then it sounds like it is already mounted |
| 05:20.17 | sirriffsalot_ | Ooh |
| 05:20.19 | sirriffsalot_ | Lol |
| 05:20.24 | stew | sirriffsalot_: how did you determine that? |
| 05:20.35 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: well, it was mounted haha |
| 05:20.45 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: but now that it is not, what do I put in for /dev/whatever? |
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| 05:21.25 | stew | sirriffsalot_: you umounted it? |
| 05:21.30 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: yep |
| 05:21.38 | stew | sirriffsalot_: how did you mount it to /media/PENDRIVE previously? |
| 05:22.00 | sirriffsalot_ | It showed up in a file browser and I clicked on the "PENDRIVE" tab:P |
| 05:22.37 | stew | i would tend to watch for the device name to show up in dmesg when I attach it |
| 05:22.48 | stew | perhaps you should tend to just repeat what worked last time |
| 05:23.12 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: but it doesn't, I want to delete files lol:) |
| 05:23.33 | stew | what doesn't do what? |
| 05:23.51 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: I can't delete files in my pendrive since they're read only... |
| 05:24.18 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: run filemanager with root |
| 05:24.27 | stew | sirriffsalot_: show us the line from the output of "mount" that corresponds to this device |
| 05:24.35 | sanitypassing | Hi, is there any way to improve how gnome-terminal renders fonts? |
| 05:24.54 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: how do I do that?:) |
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| 05:26.06 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: open root terminal & run your file manager. if you use gnome alt+F2 & write gksu nautilus |
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| 05:26.57 | sirriffsalot_ | No idea what my file manager is called:D |
| 05:27.17 | xbix | ok. what DE are u use& |
| 05:27.21 | xbix | ? |
| 05:27.30 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: Wow, you're patient:D AVLinux... |
| 05:27.35 | sirriffsalot_ | Oh |
| 05:27.36 | sirriffsalot_ | DE |
| 05:27.38 | sirriffsalot_ | Uhmm |
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| 05:27.49 | sirriffsalot_ | Think it was XLFC |
| 05:28.09 | Pizza401 | no official debian ami exists for aws ec2? |
| 05:28.13 | Pizza401 | only ubuntu? |
| 05:28.17 | Pizza401 | =[ |
| 05:28.36 | johnfg | here's what dpkg-deb --show returns on the .deb: virtualbox-4.14.1.12-77245~Debian~squeeze |
| 05:28.49 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: siplest way. open root terminal & run mc |
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| 05:29.13 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: bash: mc: command not found |
| 05:29.41 | xbix | or open your file manager & look point "about programm" |
| 05:29.41 | stew | Pizza401: I don't know about ubuntu. no official debian ami exists |
| 05:29.56 | Pizza401 | why not? |
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| 05:30.14 | stew | Pizza401: because nobody had done it |
| 05:30.28 | Pizza401 | well only amazon can create an official debian ami |
| 05:30.28 | sirriffsalot_ | PCManFM |
| 05:30.29 | Pizza401 | right? |
| 05:30.29 | sirriffsalot_ | That's it |
| 05:30.36 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: run it from root |
| 05:30.48 | stew | Pizza401: what does "official" mean? |
| 05:30.53 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: SALUTE YOU MATE! |
| 05:30.56 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: cheers lol |
| 05:31.06 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: so tired I could hang myself, pardon my clumsiness |
| 05:31.23 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: oh come on-.- |
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| 05:31.29 | sirriffsalot_ | Says the files are still read only-.-.- |
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| 05:32.47 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: what now...? |
| 05:33.05 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: are you run PCManFM from root terminal& |
| 05:33.11 | xbix | ?* |
| 05:33.13 | sirriffsalot_ | Yes... |
| 05:33.17 | xbix | hm |
| 05:33.19 | stew | Pizza401: i would consider "official" as menaing it was produced by debian, it sounds like you think it means "produced by amazon". debian has not produced one. there are people involved with debian that are producing them in some unoffical (for either definition) capacity |
| 05:33.32 | xbix | try to change files permissions |
| 05:33.36 | sirriffsalot_ | I did |
| 05:33.39 | sirriffsalot_ | No dice |
| 05:33.42 | stew | Pizza401: perhaps see here: http://groups.google.com/group/ec2debian/about or http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image?highlight=%28AMI%29 |
| 05:33.55 | stew | Pizza401: you'll find the images there out of date, however |
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| 05:35.40 | sirriffsalot_ | Will hidden files be interruptive if I boot the pendrive with hidden files?:P |
| 05:35.53 | sirriffsalot_ | ... in it |
| 05:35.58 | stew | looks like none of those AMIs are even produced by debian devleopers |
| 05:36.19 | stew | sirriffsalot_: what is a hidden file? |
| 05:36.30 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: .Trash-1000 |
| 05:36.50 | stew | so you are making a boot image, then you are mounting the boot image and putting more files on it? |
| 05:37.08 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: no, I'm trying to empty my pendrive:) |
| 05:37.21 | stew | sirriffsalot_: how are you going to boot it? |
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| 05:37.29 | stew | sirriffsalot_: what os are you going to boot? |
| 05:37.33 | sirriffsalot_ | F12 during bootup:P |
| 05:37.43 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: DreamStudio:P |
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| 05:38.00 | stew | sirriffsalot_: using what bootloader? |
| 05:38.17 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: uhmm, what is that? |
| 05:38.30 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: the standard that comes with this computer I suppose, haha:) |
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| 05:39.30 | stew | sirriffsalot_: how are you planning on producing a bootable drive? |
| 05:39.43 | sirriffsalot_ | By copying the iso file into the empty pendrive:P |
| 05:39.48 | sirriffsalot_ | Then booting it |
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| 05:40.05 | stew | sirriffsalot_: where is .Trash-1000 coming from in this scenario? |
| 05:40.19 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: I just wonder if that file will disrupt the flow of things |
| 05:40.34 | stew | sirriffsalot_: why would you put this file onto the drive after copying the iso to it? |
| 05:40.59 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: put what file? |
| 05:41.38 | stew | .Trash-1000 |
| 05:41.47 | sirriffsalot_ | Hmm, a few of the files in PCManFM gives me this error message when I try to enter them: "Error: Input/output error" |
| 05:42.00 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: I wouldn't PUT the file there, if I could remove it it'd be great |
| 05:42.13 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: but if it is there somehow by default I wonder if it'll create problems |
| 05:42.22 | xbix | i am back |
| 05:42.30 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: Welcome:) |
| 05:42.32 | stew | you are worrying about the contents of the drive now before you replace the contents of the drive? |
| 05:42.45 | stew | that doesn't make sense, since you are replacing them |
| 05:43.15 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: If you read the last two sentences I sent to you it will make sense.. |
| 05:43.35 | stew | no it doesn't |
| 05:43.40 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: open terminal. |
| 05:43.40 | xbix | sudo -s |
| 05:43.40 | xbix | your password for root |
| 05:43.40 | xbix | type PCManFM & press enter |
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| 05:43.48 | stew | there is no sense in worrying about what is on a filesystem before you replace the entire filesystem |
| 05:43.52 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: will do, hang on:) |
| 05:43.56 | stew | xbix: he's about to blow away this filesystem |
| 05:44.01 | stew | xbix: there is no point in altering it first |
| 05:44.04 | xbix | to remove .trash-1000 |
| 05:44.07 | stew | ... |
| 05:44.10 | stew | xbix: why bother? |
| 05:44.11 | xbix | use shift+del |
| 05:44.34 | sirriffsalot_ | Not in the sudoers file |
| 05:44.34 | sirriffsalot_ | FFS |
| 05:44.47 | xbix | use su |
| 05:44.51 | sirriffsalot_ | Whew |
| 05:44.53 | sirriffsalot_ | Yea |
| 05:44.53 | sirriffsalot_ | Tried |
| 05:44.54 | sirriffsalot_ | Worked |
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| 05:45.05 | stew | xbix: his goal is to write an iso over the entire drive, replacing all partitions and the filesystems they contain |
| 05:45.31 | xbix | stew: yep. but he want to delete files before |
| 05:45.40 | stew | xbix: that doesn't make any sense |
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| 05:45.57 | sirriffsalot_ | And back |
| 05:46.00 | stew | xbix: hes going to delete the entire filesystem, it makes no sense to remove files from a filessystme he is about to blow away completely |
| 05:46.10 | stew | sirriffsalot_: don't worry about the files on a filesytem you are about to destroy |
| 05:46.20 | stew | as you are about to destroy it... |
| 05:46.31 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.32 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: I'm not going to destroy it |
| 05:46.34 | stew | (from 1.5 hours ago) |
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| 05:46.39 | stew | sirriffsalot_: then how are you going to boot it? |
| 05:47.08 | stew | sirriffsalot_: you cannot just put an .iso on a filesystem an hope that your bios is going to magically know it is there ant try to boot from it |
| 05:47.08 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: by removing all of the files, except those that are hidden, and replacing it with the .iso image instead |
| 05:47.24 | stew | sirriffsalot_: that won't work |
| 05:47.26 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: I think I can;D |
| 05:47.31 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: let's hope it does |
| 05:47.31 | stew | sirriffsalot_: you can't |
| 05:47.40 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: I might as well while I wait for the shops to open;D |
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| 05:47.46 | stew | ... |
| 05:48.17 | stew | sirriffsalot_: there are files on this drive that you are not willing to delete? |
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| 05:48.37 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: nope, I can delete them all once I've saved them on another usb;) |
| 05:48.46 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: what was that sudo -s business again?:) |
| 05:48.59 | stew | sirriffsalot_: so why not follow the instructions that I'm telling you will work instead of what you are doing which I guarantee will not work |
| 05:49.12 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: the instructions being...? |
| 05:49.47 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:50.05 | stew | (this is assuming that whatever this .iso is is a hybrid iso) |
| 05:50.14 | stew | which someone seems to have googled for you and determined to be the case |
| 05:50.16 | sauvin | un?uirk from un?urk |
| 05:50.29 | sirriffsalot_ | So if my pendrive is at /media/PENDRIVE |
| 05:50.39 | stew | sirriffsalot_: its not, that where you mounted it |
| 05:50.40 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 05:50.57 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: ah true |
| 05:51.02 | stew | sirriffsalot_: you need the /dev/whatever entry, and you should umount it from /media/pendrive first |
| 05:51.14 | sirriffsalot_ | How do I then find out where it is? |
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| 05:51.19 | sirriffsalot_ | What /dev/it is? |
| 05:51.49 | stew | 01:24 < stew> sirriffsalot_: show us the line from the output of "mount" that corresponds to this device |
| 05:52.10 | sirriffsalot_ | I don't know what corresponds to the device:/ |
| 05:52.18 | sirriffsalot_ | Oh |
| 05:52.18 | sirriffsalot_ | Lol |
| 05:52.19 | sirriffsalot_ | Hang on |
| 05:52.21 | stew | the one that says /media/PENDRIVE |
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| 05:52.57 | sirriffsalot_ | "/dev/sdd1" |
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| 05:53.07 | stew | cp foo.iso /dev/sdd |
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| 05:53.17 | sirriffsalot_ | Not sdd1? |
| 05:53.22 | nevyn | but umount /media/PENDRIVE first |
| 05:53.23 | stew | this is DESTRUCTIVE all the contents of the drive will be lost |
| 05:53.29 | stew | no, not /dev/sdd1 but /dev/sdd |
| 05:53.32 | stew | yes umount first |
| 05:53.39 | sirriffsalot_ | Destructive 'eh? |
| 05:53.40 | sirriffsalot_ | I like it |
| 05:53.42 | sirriffsalot_ | Hang on |
| 05:53.45 | sirriffsalot_ | Gonna save the files first |
| 05:53.46 | nevyn | sirriffsalot_: everything in /media/PENDRIVE will vanish irrecoveraby |
| 05:53.55 | nevyn | when you do the dd |
| 05:54.04 | xbix | no cp. dd |
| 05:54.09 | stew | yes, cp |
| 05:54.28 | nevyn | still likes dd... |
| 05:54.29 | sirriffsalot_ | But I still get error messages trying to move things over to somewhere else |
| 05:54.32 | nevyn | it's oldschool |
| 05:54.33 | sirriffsalot_ | And open a few files in the pendrive |
| 05:54.40 | sirriffsalot_ | I suppose they're caused by the same problem |
| 05:54.42 | stew | i guarantee it doesn' predate cp |
| 05:54.53 | nevyn | cp used to have bugs. |
| 05:55.00 | nevyn | on files containing nulls |
| 05:55.02 | nevyn | and stuff. |
| 05:55.13 | stew | dd used to have bugs |
| 05:55.17 | sirriffsalot_ | "Input/output error" as I try to access a file |
| 05:55.23 | stew | we know this becuase all software contains bugs |
| 05:55.32 | nevyn | right. |
| 05:55.46 | stew | and I think we can safely assume that "copy 1 file" is something that generally works |
| 05:56.08 | sirriffsalot_ | Not here... |
| 05:56.12 | nevyn | no. the bugs in cp were specifically when dealing with devices and images. |
| 05:56.19 | nevyn | anyway they're long gone |
| 05:56.22 | nevyn | and cp is fine. |
| 05:56.59 | nevyn | and in the modern world of block elevators and multilevel caches and blah it's probably even faster |
| 05:57.44 | stew | it acutally does try to figure out an efficient blocksize, whereas dd has a stupid blocksize for most operations and is certainly harder to remember than just "cp from to" |
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| 05:58.32 | nevyn | dd bs=2048 if=blah of=newblah |
| 05:58.33 | stew | it is probably possible to figure out a more efficient blocksize with dd, but I've never ever had anyone tell me with any confidence they had any idea how to determine what that might be other than trial and error |
| 05:58.46 | stew | nevyn: becuase you think cp uses a block size that is too big? |
| 05:58.50 | nevyn | stew: the elevator is going to screw you anyway |
| 05:59.05 | nevyn | it's far better to just let the kernel work it out (which is actually what cp does) |
| 05:59.10 | stew | the elevator when writing to a solid state device? |
| 05:59.32 | nevyn | iosched == elevator |
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| 05:59.50 | nevyn | stew: yeah |
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| 06:01.21 | nevyn | stew: if you know a lot about the particular io subsystem you're dealing with.. you can work out what the optimum block size is |
| 06:01.27 | nevyn | but most of the time it's not worth it. |
| 06:02.08 | nevyn | I personally like 4k (size of a page and a advanced format sector) or 512b (size of a traditional sector |
| 06:02.35 | nevyn | but if you're dealing with a md then sizeof(stripe) is good |
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| 06:04.14 | chalcedony | i have debian squeeze, my computer was fine, and suddenly it's not connected to the web. it's wired lan, a desktop. its not seeing the router or anything with mtr. ? |
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| 06:05.10 | xbix | stop the war. cp just copy files only. dd can write iso images, boot sector & make iso fs. also can create backup of boot sector |
| 06:05.30 | nevyn | xbix: reference? |
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| 06:05.34 | nevyn | that's current? |
| 06:05.40 | stew | xbix: there is no reason to use dd unless you want to either not write all the data or mutate the data |
| 06:05.44 | cantido | xbix: cp can write to any block device.. |
| 06:06.25 | stew | xbix: otherwise it just serves to prolong the confusion that people have that dd might have some kind of special sauce that makes it act differently in some needed way for block devices |
| 06:06.30 | xbix | nevyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix) |
| 06:06.42 | stew | yeah, that page is fill of unsubstantiated nonsense |
| 06:06.58 | stew | really, all these things do is copy files |
| 06:07.24 | stew | unless you are using some extra arguments to dd like skip,seek,count which limit what it is writing |
| 06:07.37 | cantido | dd can do translations too.. but most people don't use that stuff.. |
| 06:07.44 | stew | or one of the arguments to dd which tell it to modify data in the stream which i've actually never heard of someone actually doing |
| 06:07.45 | nevyn | so backing up the boot sector you probably want dd |
| 06:08.00 | cantido | or byte swapping some data .. |
| 06:08.05 | nevyn | tho that gives me an idea about a competition... |
| 06:08.23 | xbix | i write iso images to cd & dvd wuth dd |
| 06:08.59 | stew | but if you are copying entire files (like isos), the best you can do with dd is to not pick too horribly of a less efficient block size than cp is going to determine for you |
| 06:09.01 | xbix | with* |
| 06:09.04 | cantido | xbix: can you actually do packet writing with dd? the dev node for cd's doesn't have that feature.. |
| 06:09.22 | nevyn | sirriffsalot_: is this making things clearer? |
| 06:09.27 | sanitypassing | what is the default DPI for used in debian? |
| 06:09.40 | cantido | sanitypassing: I think that comes from EDID data |
| 06:09.45 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: lol, I haven't read what you guys have written for long now, I'm looking for a RW DVD haha:) |
| 06:09.54 | nevyn | sanitypassing: the dpi of your screen as reported from EDID |
| 06:09.59 | sanitypassing | ok |
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| 06:10.11 | sanitypassing | how can I figured out what my default was? |
| 06:10.13 | cantido | is interested in whether you can actually do cd buring via a device node.. |
| 06:10.14 | sirriffsalot_ | Getting too many error messages now from the PENDRIVE to be able to save the files in time the stores are open |
| 06:10.21 | sirriffsalot_ | Sorry:) |
| 06:10.28 | nevyn | sanitypassing: but the quesiton isn't really meaningful.. |
| 06:10.44 | sanitypassing | well, I think it might have something to do with why my fonts look strange |
| 06:10.57 | stew | sanitypassing: xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 06:11.00 | nevyn | sanitypassing: in that people have vastly different expectations of behavior of stuff... when dpi increases |
| 06:11.15 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 06:11.34 | sanitypassing | stew: thanks |
| 06:11.37 | xbix | cantido: can`t say anything about packet writing. i`m not use it |
| 06:11.40 | nevyn | has a highdpi screen now (15.9 1920x1280) it's bizzare |
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| 06:13.17 | cantido | xbix: how do you write a CD with dd then? |
| 06:13.23 | nevyn | sets things in points and expects them to be that size. |
| 06:13.50 | xbix | cantido: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 06:14.06 | nevyn | cantido: DAO |
| 06:14.07 | xbix | like this |
| 06:14.22 | cantido | xbix: so, nothing cp couldn't do |
| 06:14.30 | stew | nevyn: what do you get for "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" |
| 06:14.39 | cantido | i.e. it's a kernel feature not a feature of dd |
| 06:14.48 | nevyn | 96x96.. |
| 06:14.52 | nevyn | hrm that doesn't seem right... |
| 06:15.00 | xbix | lets stop this war & go to smoke |
| 06:15.03 | sanitypassing | I'm getting 101x101 when I run that. |
| 06:15.09 | nevyn | hrm ok. |
| 06:15.12 | nevyn | it is calculated. |
| 06:15.16 | stew | same, but I have a 1920X1080 screen which is also 15.5 |
| 06:15.19 | sanitypassing | but I have a fairly recent monitor. |
| 06:15.33 | sanitypassing | 1920x1080 , 21.5" |
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| 06:15.45 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.45 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.05 | stew | dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (508x286 millimeters) |
| 06:16.21 | nevyn | stew: this whole area is a disaster.. mostly because free software uses data that windows doesn't |
| 06:16.26 | stew | !1920 / (508 / 25.4) |
| 06:16.27 | dpkg | 96 |
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| 06:16.43 | stew | !1200 / (317 / 25.4) |
| 06:16.44 | dpkg | 96.15141955836 |
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| 06:17.15 | sirriffsalot_ | Screw this.. why can't stores be open earlier haha |
| 06:18.05 | sanitypassing | Hmm, my montior / gpu appears to be outputting at a 24-bit depth. Is that normal? |
| 06:18.19 | stew | !1080 / (286 / 25.4) |
| 06:18.19 | dpkg | 95.916083916084 |
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| 06:18.50 | stew | sanitypassing: yes |
| 06:18.56 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 06:19.08 | a-l-e | hi... any idea how i can know about the reasons why iceowl has disappeared from wheezy? will it come back? |
| 06:19.09 | stew | (its the maximum for X) |
| 06:19.13 | sanitypassing | Ok |
| 06:19.22 | sanitypassing | I'm just trying to figure out why my fonts look so terrible. |
| 06:19.35 | sanitypassing | :D |
| 06:19.44 | stew | !why is iceowl not in testing |
| 06:19.45 | dpkg | iceowl is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceowl |
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| 06:20.25 | a-l-e | stew: nice try... |
| 06:20.27 | stew | hmm, that link is broken |
| 06:20.36 | stew | a-l-e: http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/mehdi says "# 2012-04-04; done 2012-04-04; RoM (See http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2012/04/msg00034.html)" |
| 06:20.44 | stew | a-l-e: RoM meaning "request of maintainer" |
| 06:20.50 | sirriffsalot_ | How common are RW DVD's on consumer markets...? |
| 06:20.54 | sirriffsalot_ | Can't find a single one |
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| 06:21.28 | stew | a-l-e: and that generaly says "no, it won't be back" |
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| 06:21.38 | nevyn | sirriffsalot_: as in drives? or disks? |
| 06:21.47 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: disks |
| 06:21.51 | a-l-e | that's completely stupid, but i guess there is nothing i can do for it. |
| 06:21.59 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: I said DVD:P |
| 06:22.01 | stew | a-l-e: why is it stupid? |
| 06:22.02 | nevyn | disks are reasonably common in office supply shops around here. |
| 06:22.08 | stew | a-l-e: you mean mozilla is stupid here? |
| 06:22.18 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: the hell, there's isn't a single one here:D |
| 06:22.18 | a-l-e | why removing a working application is stupid without any notice to the user? |
| 06:22.21 | a-l-e | i don't know. |
| 06:22.31 | nevyn | sirriffsalot_: a dvd-rw drive is different from a dvd-r or a dvd+r drive |
| 06:22.32 | a-l-e | it just feels stupid. |
| 06:22.42 | nevyn | in that a dvd-rw drive will write dvd-r and dvd-rw |
| 06:22.42 | sirriffsalot_ | nevyn: Oh, ok |
| 06:22.45 | a-l-e | it's like me asking you why you don't have a maintainer for it. |
| 06:22.50 | sirriffsalot_ | I'm tempted to say I've looked everywhere, but obviously I haven't.. |
| 06:22.52 | stew | a-l-e: becuase it is unmaintained and doesn't belong in a stable release of debian if it is unmaintained |
| 06:22.55 | sirriffsalot_ | I know I've bought some |
| 06:22.56 | cantido | a-l-e: because it's testing.. |
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| 06:23.29 | a-l-e | yep, it's in experimental and removed without notice from testing... looks very sensible to me. |
| 06:23.40 | a-l-e | sorry, i can't really follow you, there. |
| 06:23.47 | a-l-e | no need to discuss about it. |
| 06:23.52 | stew | a-l-e: do you think this should be part of a stable release? |
| 06:24.15 | a-l-e | stew: i think i will install it from source. |
| 06:24.16 | stew | a-l-e: if nobody is volunteering to do that work? |
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| 06:26.41 | sirriffsalot_ | Weee |
| 06:26.47 | a-l-e | stew: would somebody volunteer to install it from source on my computer? no, so i'll do it myself :-) |
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| 06:26.48 | sirriffsalot_ | I found a 4gb pen with only one folder in it |
| 06:26.50 | sirriffsalot_ | Moving it now |
| 06:26.57 | sirriffsalot_ | If it is completely empty |
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| 06:27.07 | sirriffsalot_ | Can I just move the iso file there and it is bootable? |
| 06:27.09 | sirriffsalot_ | Or will I have to do the command? |
| 06:27.55 | stew | sirriffsalot_: what command are you going to use to "move" the iso there? |
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| 06:28.07 | sirriffsalot_ | Click + drag:p |
| 06:28.19 | nevyn | no. |
| 06:28.25 | sirriffsalot_ | Meh |
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| 06:28.27 | nevyn | you can drag over the device node. |
| 06:28.32 | sirriffsalot_ | Node? |
| 06:28.40 | stew | i'm not familiar with that command |
| 06:28.42 | nevyn | so if you drag the iso to /dev/sd??? |
| 06:28.50 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: the simlpest way to make bootable flashdrive is inetbootin |
| 06:28.58 | stew | no, it isn't |
| 06:29.00 | xbix | unetbootin* |
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| 06:29.16 | nevyn | he has a hybrid iso already xbix |
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| 06:29.38 | sirriffsalot_ | So what does that leave me having to do...? |
| 06:29.41 | sanitypassing | will logging out and logging back in restart X? |
| 06:29.50 | sanitypassing | (or is there an easier way to do that?) |
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| 06:30.11 | atan | Is it possible to use apt-get and get away with a semi-decent version of PHP? Like say I want 5.4 due to new features :-) |
| 06:30.18 | stew | sanitypassing: yes, it will, why do you want to restart x? |
| 06:30.42 | sanitypassing | stew: I've made some edits to xorg.conf, and I was under the impression X needed to be restarted for them to come into effect. |
| 06:30.45 | sirriffsalot_ | You guys are confusing me, lol:) What should I do:D |
| 06:30.56 | stew | sirriffsalot_: then yes. |
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| 06:31.14 | stew | atan: if we were to go on the assumtion that its possible for a semi decent version of PHP to exist.. then it sounds like by your definition, no |
| 06:31.32 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: Yes what?:D |
| 06:31.41 | stew | sirriffsalot_: sorry, not you |
| 06:31.46 | stew | sanitypassing:then yes |
| 06:31.53 | sanitypassing | stew: Ok, thank you. |
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| 06:32.19 | atan | stew, okay let's take a step back perhaps I worded that wrong... lol. |
| 06:32.23 | stew | atan: 5.4 isn't going to be in a stable release of debian at least until the next version is released |
| 06:32.23 | sirriffsalot_ | Come on, we're so close |
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| 06:32.46 | stew | atan: so you would not want to use this unless you were prepared to patch security bugs yourself, unless security doesn't matter |
| 06:32.58 | atan | okay older version it is! :D |
| 06:33.01 | atan | <3 apt-get |
| 06:33.40 | sirriffsalot_ | Bike-ride to town it is... |
| 06:33.42 | stew | which might be the case (security not mattering) if you are using php, when you see stuff like http://use.perl.org/use.perl.org/_Aristotle/journal/33448.html |
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| 06:34.29 | stew | well, I do prefer a bike ride to computing |
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| 06:34.39 | stew | shame he doesn't want to try to command I gave him a few hours ago |
| 06:34.40 | sirriffsalot_ | Seriously-.- :P |
| 06:34.59 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: It'd take me 20 minutes to move the files on that pen somewhere else |
| 06:35.02 | sirriffsalot_ | Stores open in 15 |
| 06:35.06 | sirriffsalot_ | Do the math |
| 06:35.16 | stew | ok |
| 06:35.20 | sirriffsalot_ | ;D |
| 06:35.21 | stew | so 1:40 wasted? |
| 06:35.35 | sirriffsalot_ | Uhm, no, much longer;d |
| 06:35.37 | stew | no more |
| 06:35.48 | sirriffsalot_ | Cause I know definitely how to make the DVD work as a bootable |
| 06:35.49 | sirriffsalot_ | Never done pendrive |
| 06:35.58 | sirriffsalot_ | And knowing me, I'll be spending an hour getting a pendrive to work;D |
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| 06:36.47 | stew | the thing is, that your computer doesn't actually take that into account |
| 06:37.22 | sirriffsalot_ | stew: but I do, and it's my time lol:) |
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| 06:41.06 | sirriffsalot_ | "/away"?:P |
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| 06:42.39 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: /away |
| 06:42.58 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: cheers |
| 06:43.17 | sirriffsalot_ | Says I am no longer marked as being away haha |
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| 06:46.15 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: it switching. first time to away. second to stop away |
| 06:46.17 | Blue1 | !k9copy |
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| 06:46.32 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: cheers:) |
| 06:46.41 | Blue1 | where can I get k9copy? it is not in the debian repo |
| 06:47.08 | stew | judd: versions k9copy |
| 06:47.09 | judd | Package: k9copy on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1.2.4-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 2.3.6-0.0; sid: 2.3.8-3; wheezy: 2.3.8-3 |
| 06:47.26 | xbix | Blue1: http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/web/index.php/en/ |
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| 06:47.37 | xbix | & use google before asking |
| 06:47.38 | Blue1 | judd: when I try to get it, it says its not there. |
| 06:47.39 | stew | Blue1: you are running squeeze? |
| 06:47.48 | Blue1 | stew YES |
| 06:47.49 | stew | Blue1: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 06:49.52 | Blue1 | ahh cut/paste doesn't work nice I must have other problems I don't know about. |
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| 06:52.34 | nsadmin2 | is it possible to change the partition table type after there are partitions, and preserve them? |
| 06:53.15 | stew | nsadmin2: parition table types are largely ignored |
| 06:53.40 | stew | nsadmin2: perhaps not by other operating systems. but they are typically just information for you. and you can change them at will |
| 06:54.47 | stew | some tool trying to be more smart than necessary like parted might try to do something more than just change the partition type, but if you just use fdisk or similar, you are just changing a single byte that linux isn't paying attention to |
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| 06:56.02 | nsadmin2 | oh wait, we're talking about 2 things... you're talking about the type byte, like 83 hex for linux parttion |
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| 06:56.21 | stew | yes, what are you talking about? |
| 06:56.35 | nsadmin2 | I'm talking about the actual partition table, there/s a new kind for > 2tb |
| 06:56.41 | cthuluh | hi. I asked the same on the oftc chan few hours ago: is there any reason init would refuse to spawn commands in /etc/inittab? even ''sl:2:respawn:/bin/sleep 300'' doesn't get it right |
| 06:56.49 | stew | oh, you are talking about gpt vs ms dos |
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| 06:57.13 | peterrooney | Iv'e had some odd experiences with partitioin tables - a dual-boot mac/linux hard drive showed up as no partition table at all on x86 linux, but I was able to mount various partitions anyway by using /dev/hdc<whatever> despite fdisk swearing up and down that there wasn't even a table. |
| 06:57.16 | nsadmin2 | I'm trying first to learn something about it, see if it's worth it on my right-at-the-edge drive |
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| 06:57.49 | stew | nsadmin2: sorry I misunderstood, you can ignore me :) |
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| 06:58.47 | nsadmin2 | stew, np... I'd still like to hear your take... what I might want to do is swithc partition table types |
| 06:58.49 | nsadmin2 | maybe |
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| 06:59.49 | nsadmin2 | which would involve taking all the existing partitions and their exact sector start/endpoints and collect them into a file I'd write to the drive once I became brave enuf to do it |
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| 07:01.02 | Blue1 | still not finding k9copy even after adding the repo |
| 07:02.07 | nsadmin2 | another thing I'm interested in doing is inatlling sid or wheezy to get newer dev libs for gtk/gnome since I'm trying to build and test ingen |
| 07:03.19 | nsadmin2 | I'm presently unable to burn a cd |
| 07:03.34 | nsadmin2 | not for lack of blanks... |
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| 07:04.11 | xbix | Blue1: http://sourceforge.net/projects/k9copy/files/k9copy-kde4/2.3.8/k9copy-2.3.8-Source.tar.gz/download |
| 07:04.32 | xbix | it`s not repo |
| 07:04.44 | xbix | it`s link to sources |
| 07:04.56 | Blue1 | got it |
| 07:05.00 | Blue1 | woo hoo |
| 07:05.07 | Blue1 | thanks |
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| 07:29.28 | superlinux | hi all. I just want someone test if my web server port forwarding is working. please connect to http://94.187.52.12 and tell me if you see apache's default test page. thanks |
| 07:30.58 | Eninem | connecting... |
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| 07:31.05 | Eninem | connecting...... |
| 07:31.16 | Eninem | problem loading page |
| 07:31.29 | xbix | yep. nothing |
| 07:31.48 | mjt | that host ignores (drops) the packets |
| 07:31.49 | Eninem | not even getting a ping response from the IP |
| 07:34.47 | _ramo | if i install a netinstall of debian squeeze, do i have a firewall installed too? |
| 07:35.33 | xbix | don`t no. but you can install it manually |
| 07:35.45 | sheep | iptables is built into the kernel |
| 07:35.51 | Eninem | ^ this |
| 07:36.13 | sheep | although you may want to check that the userspace tools for iptables are installed |
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| 07:39.19 | imdea | Hi I have a debian server which is installed in this way: a /boot partition in ext3 and the rest is a LVM VG with LV inside. I was running squeeze, and after doing an aptitude upgrade it seems that something happened (I assume that with grub2) and now I'm not able to boot the server. It is running in a GPT partition table. What can I do? |
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| 07:44.56 | slikts | how can I keep up with changes to squeeze-backports? |
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| 07:46.19 | slikts | except the mailing lists, of course |
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| 07:50.07 | slikts | found a feed of squeeze-backports changes in gmane.org |
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| 07:51.08 | imdea | anyone? |
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| 07:57.44 | amgarching | anybody using RCS for config files? I have a problem with "ci -l" changing ownership to root every time. Any idea how to avoid that? |
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| 08:02.16 | nsadmin2 | amgarching, rcs? that's older than cvs |
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| 08:05.54 | slikts | gnu rcs is 30 years old and gnu cvs is 20 years old |
| 08:06.26 | slikts | git is nicer |
| 08:06.30 | nsadmin2 | 1992 for rcs? |
| 08:06.41 | nsadmin2 | err 1982? |
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| 08:07.01 | slikts | yes |
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| 08:07.45 | mjt | um. unix is much older than windows, => windows is nicer... |
| 08:07.48 | mjt | this logic does not work |
| 08:07.56 | nsadmin2 | I wanna write a netinstall cd to a partition and boot it |
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| 08:08.09 | slikts | mjt: why do you think it was a logical inference? |
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| 08:08.25 | khem_ | when setting up MySQL slave/master in Debian? is it ok if port 3306 is only listening at the slave, or should it be vice versa? |
| 08:08.37 | slikts | mjt: your logical argument identification doesn't work |
| 08:08.48 | nsadmin2 | mjt but it does for this: my eggs that are as old as rcs are older than git... therefore my eggs are nicer |
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| 08:09.38 | amgarching | RCS is tiny. No servers. Does its job. Uncompressed Size: 774k |
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| 08:10.04 | slikts | no servers with git either |
| 08:10.05 | nsadmin2 | khem_, mysql is horrible for a lot of reasons... ever considered postgres? |
| 08:10.44 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 /usr/bin/git |
| 08:10.44 | joshy612 | nsadmin2 - i second that |
| 08:11.24 | mjt | um. ls -l /usr/lib/git ;) |
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| 08:11.31 | mjt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.53 | slikts | ploz: ls -lh |
| 08:11.55 | slikts | no bytes |
| 08:11.56 | nsadmin2 | total 121508 |
| 08:11.56 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git |
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| 08:11.56 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 19576 Sep 22 2011 git-am |
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| 08:12.32 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-clean |
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| 08:12.36 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-commit |
| 08:12.36 | amgarching | git-core: Uncompressed Size: 7078k (aptitude show) |
| 08:12.38 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-commit-tree |
| 08:12.40 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-config |
| 08:12.42 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-count-objects |
| 08:12.44 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 470600 Sep 22 2011 git-daemon |
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| 08:12.48 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-diff |
| 08:12.50 | mjt | .ignore nsadmin2 |
| 08:12.52 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-diff-files |
| 08:12.54 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-diff-index |
| 08:12.55 | amgarching | git is DVCS I never distribute my configs. Thats is overkill |
| 08:12.56 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2702 Sep 22 2011 git-difftool |
| 08:12.58 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1745 Sep 22 2011 git-difftool--helper |
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| 08:13.06 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-fetch |
| 08:13.08 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-fetch-pack |
| 08:13.10 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12172 Sep 22 2011 git-filter-branch |
| 08:13.12 | slikts | amgarching: dvcs doesn't mean you need to distribute anything, lol |
| 08:13.12 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-fmt-merge-msg |
| 08:13.14 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-for-each-ref |
| 08:13.16 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-format-patch |
| 08:13.18 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-fsck |
| 08:13.19 | mjt | it works locally just fine too |
| 08:13.22 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-fsck-objects |
| 08:13.24 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-gc |
| 08:13.26 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-get-tar-commit-id |
| 08:13.28 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-grep |
| 08:13.30 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-hash-object |
| 08:13.32 | mjt | and it actually works very well for configs. |
| 08:13.32 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-help |
| 08:13.34 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 466600 Sep 22 2011 git-http-backend |
| 08:13.36 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 487736 Sep 22 2011 git-http-fetch |
| 08:13.38 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 503240 Sep 22 2011 git-http-push |
| 08:13.40 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 478568 Sep 22 2011 git-imap-send |
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| 08:13.44 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-init |
| 08:13.46 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-init-db |
| 08:13.47 | amgarching | when you have a hammer ... |
| 08:13.48 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 255890 Sep 22 2011 git-instaweb |
| 08:13.52 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-log |
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| 08:13.58 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-ls-remote |
| 08:13.59 | gnugr | nsadmin:? |
| 08:14.00 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-ls-tree |
| 08:14.02 | mjt | better than CVS/RCS because these dirs quite often stay on the way of usual work |
| 08:14.02 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-mailinfo |
| 08:14.04 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-mailsplit |
| 08:14.05 | slikts | amgarching: or when you have a fixation on saving bytes... |
| 08:14.06 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-merge |
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| 08:14.14 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2068 Sep 22 2011 git-merge-octopus |
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| 08:14.22 | amgarching | too late, he already pasted. See the difference to RCS? |
| 08:14.24 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 944 Sep 22 2011 git-merge-resolve |
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| 08:14.40 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-name-rev |
| 08:14.42 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-notes |
| 08:14.43 | colo-work | nice |
| 08:14.44 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-pack-objects |
| 08:14.44 | slikts | amgarching: yes, all those symlinks taking up the bytes! such overkill |
| 08:14.46 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-pack-redundant |
| 08:14.48 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-pack-refs |
| 08:14.52 | nsadmin2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1941 Sep 22 2011 git-parse-remote |
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| 08:14.58 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-prune |
| 08:15.00 | colo-work | nsadmin2, where can I subscribe to your newsletter? |
| 08:15.00 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-prune-packed |
| 08:15.02 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8321 Sep 22 2011 git-pull |
| 08:15.03 | amgarching | slikts: OK, I have configs around that have been in RCS when git did not exist. |
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| 08:15.10 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14671 Sep 22 2011 git-rebase |
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| 08:15.28 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 4 root root 496360 Sep 22 2011 git-remote-http |
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| 08:15.32 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 101 Sep 22 2011 git-remote-testgit |
| 08:15.34 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4492 Sep 22 2011 git-repack |
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| 08:15.38 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-repo-config |
| 08:15.39 | mjt | git just does more. for one, it has tree-wide commits, as opposed to file-wide in rcs and cvs... |
| 08:15.40 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1631 Sep 22 2011 git-request-pull |
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| 08:15.54 | nsadmin2 | -rwxr-xr-x 104 root root 1128656 Sep 22 2011 git-rm |
| 08:15.54 | amgarching | "is there any better than RCS" was not the question, actually, slikts |
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| 08:16.58 | nsadmin2 | what the heck did you do to me?! sheesh, I didn't know that was a dir, sorry |
| 08:17.00 | nsadmin2 | you can hammer in the moooooooorrrning |
| 08:17.02 | nsadmin2 | sorry |
| 08:17.04 | nsadmin2 | colo-work, I have not a newsletter :P |
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| 08:17.29 | mjt | amgarching: you mean, configs like /etc ? |
| 08:17.29 | slikts | nsadmin2: thanks for rejoining and flooding to the end instead of restarting your irc client or something |
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| 08:18.09 | nsadmin2 | what's that? I rejoined and then it finished? |
| 08:18.16 | nsadmin2 | sigh. |
| 08:18.29 | joshy612 | lol |
| 08:18.56 | slikts | your irc client was so intelligent as to make the flood last for about 5 minutes to avoid getting kicked |
| 08:18.57 | CissWit | your irc client queued the message to avoid "flooding", which is ironic in this kind of situation. You should learn how to empty the queue. |
| 08:18.58 | nsadmin2 | so much for the usefulness of -o on exec |
| 08:19.19 | nsadmin2 | I don't ever want to fill the queue |
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| 08:19.41 | slikts | that's why I use irc with telnet |
| 08:19.46 | nsadmin2 | ogawd |
| 08:20.13 | amgarching | like /etc/bacula/*, yes. Nevermind. Another guy has difficulties remembering to fix ownership after "ci -l". I do not. |
| 08:20.22 | nsadmin2 | telnet... now there's a blast to the past |
| 08:20.43 | slikts | don't you still use telnet to probe ports? |
| 08:20.53 | nsadmin2 | occasionally |
| 08:21.04 | slikts | is there even an easier way to see if a port is open? |
| 08:21.06 | CissWit | i use nc |
| 08:21.11 | slikts | oh right |
| 08:21.46 | nsadmin2 | just look at the port... if you can see thru it... it's open! |
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| 08:23.35 | slikts | that gives me an idea for an experiment |
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| 08:24.00 | slikts | about visualizing network ports |
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| 08:25.03 | mashed | morning |
| 08:25.24 | nsadmin2 | amgarching, then perhaps "another guy" should (a) read the man page, (b) come to #gnu or ##linux (not here, not a debian question) and (c) generally learn and ask for himself; as it stands you gain most of the benefit since you're hand feeding him |
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| 08:25.30 | architekt | samba updates (stable) \o/ |
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| 08:27.06 | nsadmin2 | ok, so my thing is I want to boot a netinstall image from my 2tb drive... got a few partitions available |
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| 08:32.06 | amgarching | nsadmin2: says the guy who floods the channel (sorry, could not resist). Thanks for advice! |
| 08:32.57 | nsadmin2 | yeah, that was an accident, sorry |
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| 08:36.50 | nsadmin2 | tst |
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| 08:39.00 | menace | hi, where is the parameter DEB_DH_INSTALLINIT_ARGS used in a debian/rules-file? I don't see any dh_deb command, but it seems that it is used.. |
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| 08:39.33 | babilen | Which debian/rules file are you talking about? |
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| 08:40.33 | nsadmin | menace, what are you tryihg to accomplish? |
| 08:41.20 | babilen | menace: Seems to be a CDBS thing (cf. http://cdbs-doc.duckcorp.org/en/cdbs-doc.xhtml) |
| 08:41.33 | babilen | menace: And yeah, what are you trying to do? |
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| 08:42.11 | nsadmin | not even sure if you're trying to respond! |
| 08:42.50 | babilen | Seems to be related to dh_installinit (i.e. debhelper) -- But meh, haven't come across it. |
| 08:44.44 | cwickert | What is the proper way to *reproducible* build debs if the same source is reused all the time? Say I build a package, patches are applied and the source is compiled. Then I need to add another patch and build again. dpkg-buildpackage then tries to unpatch the new patch that was not applied and unpatching fails and the whole tree I was working in because I can neither build nor unpatch. |
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| 08:45.41 | cwickert | or what if a software has no 'clean' target? |
| 08:45.48 | cwickert | rpmbuild always unpacks the source in a fresh buildroot, so there is no problem |
| 08:45.58 | menace | babilen: depending on some already installed data, this variable is set, which seems to lead to an symlink in /etc/init.d. But there's no ln -s in the entire script and i do not recognise any dh command which would create such an link (via update-rc.d or such) |
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| 08:46.34 | menace | somethings i have the impression, that dh_tools are mighty, but mighty bad documented... |
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| 08:48.07 | menace | alternatively: which dh_command does create startscript-symlinks in /etc/init.d? |
| 08:48.11 | babilen | menace: dh_installinit -- Which script/rules file are we talking about? |
| 08:48.14 | menace | or which target |
| 08:48.24 | babilen | menace: What are you trying to do? |
| 08:49.11 | menace | replace an automatic init-script link through an explicit file (and a symlink to this file..) |
| 08:49.17 | ksk | is there some way to customize gnome3 in testing? the "system settings" dialog is kinda ...useless |
| 08:49.18 | babilen | cwickert: "debian/rules clean" *should* clean the build. |
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| 08:49.43 | babilen | ksk: You are looking for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) and gnome-tweak-tool |
| 08:50.00 | babilen | menace: In one of our packages? |
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| 08:50.21 | ksk | babilen: thanks |
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| 08:51.02 | cwickert | babilen: how am I to verify if it works? How can I achieve a reproducible state before I fire off a build? |
| 08:51.20 | menace | babilen: i want to create my own version of a package, nothing officially |
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| 08:51.56 | babilen | cwickert: dpkg-buildpackage calls clean before the build -- How did you add the patch? Is the package using quilt? |
| 08:51.58 | cwickert | babilen: so think of the example with the patch I gave you. I build a package with 10 patches, then I add another patch on top. debian/rules clean then tries to unpatch a patch that was not yet applied |
| 08:52.32 | cwickert | babilen: that it exactly the problem: it should call clean *after* a build and not at the beginning of the next one |
| 08:52.34 | sirriffsalot_ | Fuck yeeea, guess who got hold of 5 RW DVD's? |
| 08:52.40 | babilen | cwickert: Why? |
| 08:52.50 | babilen | sirriffsalot_: Sir Lancelot? |
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| 08:53.09 | sirriffsalot_ | babilen: Nope, Sir Riffsalot!;d |
| 08:53.20 | cwickert | babilen: because it leaves the tree in a state that is different from the previous build. this is not reliable |
| 08:53.22 | sirriffsalot_ | Don't think they had them in his time |
| 08:53.43 | babilen | cwickert: That only happens because you add a patch in an unsupported way |
| 08:53.59 | cwickert | babilen: so how am I supposed to add the patch? |
| 08:54.46 | babilen | cwickert: Depends on the package in question. Which one is it? |
| 08:55.04 | cwickert | babilen: php5 from Lenny with 64 patches on top :( |
| 08:55.22 | babilen | cwickert: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html |
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| 08:56.28 | babilen | cwickert: *NO*! Lenny is not supported anymore. We released squeeze *one year ago* and lenny has been removed from the mirrors now -- *Please* upgrade to squeeze immediately. Running such a old PHP version with a number of doubtful patches sounds horrible. :( |
| 08:56.49 | cwickert | babilen: it is supported as part of UCS |
| 08:57.14 | nsadmin | let UCS know that it's not supported upstream |
| 08:57.54 | babilen | cwickert: You have to realise that you essentially maintain the package yourself. So you add the patches and release a new version (i.e. use dch to edit debian/changelog and increase the version nummber (dch -i)) -- The best way to introduce the patches depends on the package. I am not familiar with PHP packaging, but can take a look. But *please pleas eplease* stop using lenny *now* |
| 08:58.00 | cwickert | nsadmin: Univention employs people from Debian Security and they maintain php5 in their UCS 2.4 |
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| 08:58.10 | babilen | UCS? |
| 08:58.13 | esak | #debian-ir |
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| 08:58.41 | nsadmin | cwickert, it's good to hear that someone's getting paid for that |
| 08:58.51 | cwickert | babilen: Univention Corporate Server, an enterprise distro based on Debian. UCS 2.4 is based on Lenny and supported until end of 2013. |
| 08:59.01 | babilen | So you are not using Debian? |
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| 08:59.27 | cwickert | babilen: I am using Debian Lenny basically |
| 08:59.36 | babilen | No, you are using UCS :) |
| 08:59.38 | slikts | busted |
| 08:59.39 | nsadmin | !based on debian |
| 08:59.39 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 09:00.00 | cwickert | but that doesn't really matter, my question is about a workflow, not an actual package |
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| 09:00.11 | _ramo | i still have the problem that my server has the wrong time... how can i configure that? |
| 09:00.22 | slikts | _ramo: try ndp? |
| 09:00.39 | slikts | err, ntpd, sorry |
| 09:00.53 | nsadmin | _ramo, do you have ntpdate? and ntp? |
| 09:00.56 | _ramo | slikts: i've installed ntp... but i have here e.g. 11:00 am and my logs are showing me 02:32 am |
| 09:01.10 | babilen | cwickert: Well, learn how to use quilt if the package uses that. You merely want all patches to be in place when you start building. I typically have my packages in git and manage patches with gbp-pq -- Not sure if that is applicable for PHP |
| 09:01.13 | nsadmin | that's more than 1024 seconds isn't it |
| 09:01.17 | cwickert | babilen, nsadmin: say I get a package from upstream, no matter if upstream is Debian or UCS. I need to add patches, how would I do that in a reliable way even after an update? |
| 09:01.20 | _ramo | nsadmin: let me have a look |
| 09:01.31 | slikts | _ramo: you can run ntpdate to set the time at once, ntp does it over time |
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| 09:01.48 | mashed | _ramo: are you allowing UDP port 123 through your firewall in both directions? |
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| 09:01.53 | nsadmin | you have to stop ntpd to run ntpdat |
| 09:02.00 | _ramo | mashed: i don't have a firewall |
| 09:02.02 | cwickert | babilen: I am using gbp, too, but what are people without version control supposed to do? |
| 09:02.18 | mashed | will give noo more support |
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| 09:02.56 | nsadmin | cwickert, as you say, there are people who are paid to support your dist... |
| 09:03.00 | _ramo | nsadmin: ntpdat command not found |
| 09:03.07 | babilen | cwickert: It depends on the package -- Some use quilt (read http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html, http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt) others use dpatch (uuugh) http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/index.php?view=use_dpatch (i.a) |
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| 09:03.11 | nsadmin | try ntpdate |
| 09:03.12 | peterrooney | ntpdate |
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| 09:03.30 | _ramo | nsadmin: 13 Apr 05:03:20 ntpdate[7687]: no servers can be used, exiting |
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| 09:03.41 | nsadmin | ok, so you do have it |
| 09:03.48 | _ramo | yep |
| 09:03.50 | _ramo | i've installed it |
| 09:03.51 | nsadmin | are you logged in as root? |
| 09:03.51 | babilen | cwickert: And people are paid to do that work. We cannot support UCS for technical and social reasons. Please take it to their support channel or ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (and tell people there that this is about UCS) |
| 09:03.55 | mashed | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 09:04.32 | cwickert | babilen: the orig.tar.gz is from Debian, no changes |
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| 09:04.57 | nsadmin | the orig.tar.gz is from upstream somewhere :) |
| 09:05.06 | cwickert | nsadmin: sorry, the diff |
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| 09:06.16 | nsadmin | I want to help... I do. and to do so would require me to read up on pretty much your whole dist |
| 09:06.18 | babilen | cwickert: But the package is in git and you can just use gbp-pq -- I don't see the problem. I also provided links to relevant information. Please take it elsewhere now as UCS (and users) are not supported in here for a number of technical and social reasons. |
| 09:06.36 | babilen | (I am in #debian-mentors as well btw) |
| 09:06.44 | cwickert | babilen, nsadmin: regardless of UCS or not, do you understand my problem? dpkg-buildpackage will try to unpatch something that was not applied. thus 'debian/rules clean' should run after a build and not at the beginning of the next one |
| 09:08.11 | babilen | Yes I understand your problem and told you to go to #debian-mentors (I am there as well) -- I provided links to documentation on most patch systems that are used in Debian -- You *might* also want to read http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.man.gbp.pq.html and https://honk.sigxcpu.org/piki/development/debian_packages_in_git/ |
| 09:08.45 | cwickert | babilen: ok, thanks a lot. |
| 09:09.00 | menace | meta-question: if i have an deb-package, which was modified by a distribution based on debian, but it is not debian (but uses dpkg, apt, dh_*) is there an extra-channel, where one can ask such (packaging) questions? and modified packages does not imply automatically (in praxi afair never) modified packaging tools, only other rules-files :-) |
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| 09:10.26 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 09:10.43 | babilen | menace: There is #debian-mentors, but it is meant to provide support to people who are packaging *for Debian* -- I am not aware of a channel that handles distro-agnostic packaging help. There is #debian-ubuntu for Debian/Ubuntu packaging coordination and probably some other channels. Ah, the dead #debian-apt channel would probably be best. (all on irc.debian.org) |
| 09:10.52 | spiekey | could someone please tell me why this simple vlan config wont work? http://pastebin.com/hz76gkZR |
| 09:11.00 | menace | babilen: wow, thanks :) |
| 09:11.05 | menace | thanks a lot! :) |
| 09:11.06 | spiekey | if i do it manually with vconfig it works well |
| 09:11.17 | menace | #debian-apt it is now :D |
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| 09:14.22 | esak | i searching for a good book for desing website whit PHP . can any body help me ?? |
| 09:14.47 | nsadmin | esak, don't use php <-- huge help |
| 09:15.04 | nsadmin | and don't use mysql |
| 09:15.47 | esak | why nsadmin ? |
| 09:15.51 | nsadmin | also, you don't use a scripting language (which php is) to design |
| 09:15.58 | spiekey | anyone? |
| 09:16.08 | cwickert | nsadmin: +1 |
| 09:16.29 | cwickert | php is evil! |
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| 09:16.33 | nsadmin | you use it to capture the page logic and the business logic |
| 09:16.57 | nsadmin | php changes in ways that leave earlier versions out |
| 09:17.19 | esak | but most people saed php is best nsadmin |
| 09:17.21 | nsadmin | this is a hugely bad practice on the part of the php designers |
| 09:17.43 | nsadmin | then they haven't used anything else |
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| 09:18.21 | nsadmin | the same people probably think cgi is a new idea, there are no better, and fastcgi is even newer |
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| 09:18.59 | esak | so which is better for dynamic website nsadmin ? |
| 09:19.26 | _ramo | nsadmin: using sudo |
| 09:19.28 | nsadmin | probably most things... now having said that, it -is- true that a LOT of people use php |
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| 09:20.38 | mashed | esak: look in to the vatious puthon and ruby frameworks. those seem to be the obvious successors. |
| 09:20.51 | mashed | s/vatious/various/ |
| 09:21.09 | esak | nsadmin u say that asp is better than php ? |
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| 09:21.48 | mashed | asp is not better than php microsoft themselvs are trrying to drop support for it. |
| 09:22.02 | babilen | cwickert: Why don't you come over to #d-mentors? Just be upfront about your situation and we will probably help you there. |
| 09:22.24 | esak | so which is good for make dynamic website nsadmin ?? :( |
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| 09:23.11 | mjt | the one you're most comfortable with and which suits your particular needs most. |
| 09:23.12 | nsadmin | esak, I like aolserver, postgres and openacs |
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| 09:25.02 | babilen | esak: Python web frameworks are nice. I like https://github.com/weavejester/compojure/wiki but that is for Clojure -- Really, just use whatever you are comfortable with. |
| 09:25.16 | khem_ | when doing MySQL replication on *.* for a database, do I need to import the MySQL dumps for all databases on the slave first? |
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| 09:25.24 | nsadmin | esak, mjt has the most useful comment... this means, you need to figure out what your requirements are, and then compare to see what is out there that satisfies them |
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| 09:25.30 | damian473 | hi, any idea what could go wrong in case like this? I've used my touchpad since yesterday w/o problems but after I've did apt-get upgrade it got "sloppy", works, but meh, it's not so sensible as it used to be, where may be problem? |
| 09:25.56 | nsadmin | khem_, additional info source: #mysql |
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| 09:26.42 | nsadmin | damian473, it's.... possible... that the upgrade may have changed at least one thing |
| 09:26.55 | esak | babilen what is your idea about php ? |
| 09:27.33 | spiekey | where do i go for debian admin networking problems? Any other debian channel? |
| 09:27.39 | damian473 | that I know but no idea where to look for it |
| 09:27.44 | cwickert | babilen: #debian-mentors, right? I don't see you there, did I try to join the wrong channel? |
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| 09:28.38 | nsadmin | cwickert, try irc.oftc.net |
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| 09:28.45 | cwickert | nsadmin: ah |
| 09:28.47 | _ramo | nsadmin: sudo ntpdate is still returning the same result |
| 09:29.24 | nsadmin | _ramo, log in as root |
| 09:29.30 | nsadmin | or sudo bash |
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| 09:29.38 | _ramo | yeah, i have sudo |
| 09:29.43 | mashed | _ramo did you run ntpdate with a server to sync with ie: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 09:29.48 | nsadmin | sudo bash |
| 09:30.07 | _ramo | okay, done it |
| 09:30.20 | nsadmin | whoami shoujld say root |
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| 09:30.35 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 09:30.36 | _ramo | ack |
| 09:30.53 | _ramo | yes |
| 09:31.05 | nsadmin | ok, /etc/init.d/ntp stop |
| 09:31.18 | _ramo | stopped |
| 09:31.56 | nsadmin | ok, we're about to reset your clock... weird things will happen for perhaps a few hours while things settle |
| 09:31.59 | nsadmin | ok? |
| 09:32.29 | _ramo | okay |
| 09:32.31 | nsadmin | try: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 09:32.46 | _ramo | 13 Apr 05:30:34 ntpdate[8109]: adjust time server 109.230.243.8 offset 0.000332 sec |
| 09:32.58 | nsadmin | check date |
| 09:33.03 | nsadmin | is it correct? |
| 09:33.18 | _ramo | Fr 13. Apr 05:33:07 EDT 2012 no, it's 11:33 am here |
| 09:33.42 | nsadmin | so your clock is set but the time zone is bad |
| 09:33.50 | _ramo | tzselect? |
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| 09:34.07 | nsadmin | do you need to support users in different time zones? |
| 09:35.09 | nsadmin | btw, the ntpdate changed your clock by a very small fraction of a second... weird things won't take place |
| 09:35.21 | _ramo | i don't think so, no... |
| 09:35.34 | _ramo | but |
| 09:35.37 | nsadmin | do you run different operating systems? |
| 09:35.40 | nsadmin | on that machine |
| 09:35.48 | _ramo | no, just debian on that machine.... |
| 09:36.01 | _ramo | but i'm running a website where users can add items |
| 09:36.06 | _ramo | and this is marked with a date |
| 09:36.09 | _ramo | or add comments |
| 09:36.15 | _ramo | and the date is displayed too |
| 09:36.17 | nsadmin | ok, and is that date correct? |
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| 09:36.25 | _ramo | the time is wrong :) |
| 09:36.48 | nsadmin | if you ignore the hours, minutes correct? |
| 09:37.14 | _ramo | yes |
| 09:37.19 | _ramo | on a new comment i have: 04/13/2012 at 05:36 |
| 09:37.40 | rowinggolfer | I've come across an issue with my python application packaging today. My control file contains the line Depends: ${python:Depends} ... and I am using dh_python2. In the build today (on my wheezy box) The packages created have the following dependency line Depends: python2.7 | python2.6, python (>= 2.6.6-7~), python (<< 2.8) . the specific information about python2.6 makes the packages uninstallable for users of ubuntu lucid. What am I doing |
| 09:37.40 | rowinggolfer | wrong, or is this an issue with dh_python2? |
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| 09:37.54 | nsadmin | does the web site let the user put in their time zone? |
| 09:38.04 | mashed | as a rult of the thumb your internal clock should be set to UTC |
| 09:38.09 | nsadmin | is the web server running on thyat machine? |
| 09:38.27 | nsadmin | mashed: you know whare that setting is? |
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| 09:38.32 | mashed | bios |
| 09:38.45 | nsadmin | nono, the time zone parameters |
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| 09:39.24 | mashed | to set the time zone of the machine? |
| 09:39.53 | nsadmin | to set wheter the bios clock is interpreted as utc |
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| 09:40.23 | mashed | you dont need to |
| 09:40.25 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.31 | nsadmin | we need to check it |
| 09:40.35 | mashed | in /usr/share/zoneinfo/uts |
| 09:40.38 | mashed | in /usr/share/zoneinfo/utc |
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| 09:40.49 | mashed | needs to be symlinked to somewhere in /etc |
| 09:40.51 | mashed | 1 sec |
| 09:40.51 | nsadmin | oh, but that's a time zone |
| 09:41.09 | nsadmin | I don't want to change anything in there, |
| 09:41.18 | mashed | ok, im not sure what you mean then |
| 09:41.21 | nsadmin | maybe /etc/default/hwclock |
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| 09:42.08 | nsadmin | no, nothing in /etc/default |
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| 09:42.58 | nsadmin | it's not /etc/timezone |
| 09:43.04 | mashed | afaik there is no other layer of abstraction. |
| 09:43.14 | nsadmin | there used to be |
| 09:43.47 | nsadmin | there was a setting that chooses whether the bios clock is interpreted as UTC or as localtime |
| 09:44.12 | nsadmin | ! utc |
| 09:44.12 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). Set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs), then run "invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart" to apply. |
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| 09:45.14 | nsadmin | that's it |
| 09:45.38 | _ramo | nsadmin: yes the webserver runs on that machine |
| 09:46.01 | nsadmin | _ramo, look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 09:46.33 | nsadmin | see those handful of settings? |
| 09:46.36 | _ramo | yes |
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| 09:46.45 | nsadmin | what's utc? |
| 09:46.46 | _ramo | UTC=yes |
| 09:46.54 | nsadmin | ok, that's good |
| 09:47.03 | nsadmin | let's start your ntp again |
| 09:47.11 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:48.04 | _ramo | okay |
| 09:48.05 | _ramo | started |
| 09:48.10 | _ramo | and date returns: Fr 13. Apr 05:47:57 EDT 2012 |
| 09:48.11 | nsadmin | now, show me date -u |
| 09:48.22 | _ramo | date -u Fr 13. Apr 09:48:16 UTC 2012 |
| 09:48.28 | nsadmin | Fri Apr 13 09:48:27 UTC 2012 |
| 09:48.28 | _ramo | 2 hours left :) |
| 09:48.49 | nsadmin | your clock is set properly, at least under the hood |
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| 09:49.01 | nsadmin | what is in /etc/timezone? |
| 09:49.26 | _ramo | America/New_York .... but i'm in Germany |
| 09:49.32 | nsadmin | aha |
| 09:49.37 | nsadmin | show me date |
| 09:49.43 | _ramo | should i add Europe/Berlin ? |
| 09:49.53 | _ramo | Fr 13. Apr 05:49:48 EDT 2012 |
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| 09:50.07 | nsadmin | actually I know already it's right, I'm 2:49 and new york is 3 hrs ahead |
| 09:50.08 | rzs19 | does anyone know how to use "mach"? |
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| 09:50.23 | spiekey | could someone please tell me why this simple vlan config wont work? http://pastebin.com/hz76gkZR |
| 09:50.30 | spiekey | it wont create the vlan |
| 09:51.02 | _ramo | nsadmin: i'm 11:50 am and NY is 6 hours away |
| 09:51.29 | nsadmin | so at least the offsets are correct |
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| 09:52.32 | nsadmin | I skyped someone in utc+1 the other day |
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| 09:52.52 | _ramo | should i add in /etc/timezone Europe/Berlin ? |
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| 09:53.03 | nsadmin | try that |
| 09:53.14 | nsadmin | then try date |
| 09:53.49 | mashed | utc+1 lol |
| 09:53.59 | mashed | an hour ahead of time itself |
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| 09:54.15 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 09:54.35 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: guess who got hold of some RW DVD's? |
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| 09:55.20 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: you |
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| 09:55.26 | mashed | so what is this /etc/rcS business |
| 09:55.44 | mashed | ive not used that before, when are these scripts run? |
| 09:55.54 | Iridos | sirriffsalot_, bill gates? |
| 09:55.55 | nsadmin | mashed, that's where the setting is... /etc/default/rcS |
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| 09:56.10 | sirriffsalot_ | Iridos: Nah, he's set for life |
| 09:56.17 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: AYE! |
| 09:56.21 | _ramo | nsadmin: do i have to restart anything if changed /etc/timezone |
| 09:56.24 | Iridos | without cd-rw? poor guy |
| 09:56.30 | nsadmin | I don't think so |
| 09:56.35 | nsadmin | try date |
| 09:56.43 | sirriffsalot_ | Iridos: haha, why?:D |
| 09:56.58 | _ramo | Fr 13. Apr 05:56:51 EDT 2012 |
| 09:57.16 | nsadmin | hmm, eastern daylight time |
| 09:57.52 | nsadmin | where are the timezone files again? |
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| 09:58.16 | Iridos | use factoids? :) |
| 09:58.27 | xbix | _ramo: i see u have problem with ntp. set time manually =) |
| 09:59.35 | nsadmin | Europe/Berlin should work |
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| 10:00.02 | nsadmin | xbix, no, his ntp setup is working like a champ |
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| 10:01.19 | nsadmin | ramo, try echo $TZ |
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| 10:02.10 | nsadmin | xbix, you can tell it's working because when his clock displays new york time, it says the correct timezone for there |
| 10:02.19 | spiekey | could someone please tell me why this simple vlan config wont work? http://pastebin.com/hz76gkZR |
| 10:02.20 | spiekey | it wont create the vlan |
| 10:03.51 | nsadmin | _ramo, does whoami still say root? |
| 10:04.00 | _ramo | yes |
| 10:04.13 | nsadmin | ok, let's back off from that... type exit |
| 10:04.28 | _ramo | nsadmin: echo $TZ returns nothing |
| 10:04.41 | nsadmin | ok, that's as root? |
| 10:05.01 | nsadmin | howbout after you exit? |
| 10:05.15 | _ramo | without root it's empty too |
| 10:05.22 | nsadmin | and, after you exit, whoami says you? |
| 10:05.35 | _ramo | ramo |
| 10:05.48 | nsadmin | _ramo, is this a remote? or in your room?\ |
| 10:05.56 | _ramo | remote |
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| 10:06.07 | _ramo | the server is located in germany |
| 10:06.09 | nsadmin | ok,,, hmm. you could try rebooting it |
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| 10:06.24 | mjt | spiekey: add "set -x" at the beginning of /etc/network/ip-pre-up.d/vlan and see what happens. |
| 10:06.33 | nsadmin | oh, where are you? |
| 10:06.38 | _ramo | berlin |
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| 10:07.18 | nsadmin | ok, so you and this machine are in the same tz? |
| 10:07.26 | _ramo | yes |
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| 10:07.40 | nsadmin | have you rebooted this remote before? |
| 10:07.49 | _ramo | yesterday, yes |
| 10:07.53 | _ramo | but not with the new settings |
| 10:08.08 | nsadmin | this is your decision... do you want to try that now? |
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| 10:08.16 | sirriffsalot_ | Here's a noob question as always |
| 10:08.20 | nsadmin | I don't know how else to apply the changes |
| 10:08.23 | _ramo | nsadmin: yeah, why not :) |
| 10:08.23 | xbix | reboot server for check time? you brutal |
| 10:08.25 | sirriffsalot_ | RW DVD's...are they re-writeable forever? |
| 10:08.36 | nsadmin | ok, give it a shot at your leisure... |
| 10:09.00 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: no. |
| 10:09.01 | nsadmin | xbix, to test if the changes worked, yes |
| 10:09.11 | xeon123 | I've debian 5.0 lenny installed, and when I do "apt-get update", I can't find the hosts. For exampel: W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 10:09.11 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: aww, only for once? |
| 10:09.37 | nsadmin | xeon123, that's because my cat chased the packages from the mirrors... |
| 10:09.37 | xeon123 | Does anyone have correct sources.list for debian lenny? |
| 10:09.47 | cristi | xeon123: read topic pls :) |
| 10:09.53 | nsadmin | nust kidding :) lenny is end-of-life |
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| 10:10.14 | xeon123 | cristi: what topic? |
| 10:10.16 | xbix | sirriffsalot_: no) near 100000 times |
| 10:10.52 | xbix | ops |
| 10:10.53 | cristi | xeon123: lenny is end-of-life |
| 10:10.54 | xbix | sorry |
| 10:11.04 | xbix | ~1000 times |
| 10:11.38 | sirriffsalot_ | xbix: hahaha |
| 10:11.47 | sirriffsalot_ | That'll do for a few updates ahead rofl |
| 10:12.03 | nsadmin | _ramo, how's that goin |
| 10:13.18 | xeon123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:13.28 | nsadmin | nospace! |
| 10:13.50 | _ramo | nsadmin: i have to ask a colleague if he has some processes running their |
| 10:14.08 | nsadmin | <-- distance should be zero -->/msg dpkg |
| 10:14.34 | nsadmin | _ramo good call |
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| 10:17.09 | _ramo | nsadmin: after restart date gives me: Fr 13. Apr 06:16:55 EDT 2012 |
| 10:17.42 | nsadmin | wow |
| 10:17.57 | spiekey | mjt, thanks! Unfortunatelly i am already upgrading to squeeze :9 |
| 10:17.59 | nsadmin | ok, just to make sure... cat /etc/timezone |
| 10:18.12 | _ramo | Europe/Berlin |
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| 10:19.03 | nsadmin | try sudo tzconfig |
| 10:19.51 | _ramo | nsadmin: |
| 10:19.52 | _ramo | WARNING: the tzconfig command is deprecated, please use: |
| 10:19.52 | _ramo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.10 | _ramo | and this say: "Europa" |
| 10:20.14 | nsadmin | meetoo, ok, do that |
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| 10:20.23 | _ramo | Europa and Berlin |
| 10:20.29 | _ramo | and on the console i see after that |
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| 10:20.39 | _ramo | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Berlin' Local time is now: Fri Apr 13 12:20:13 CEST 2012. Universal Time is now: Fri Apr 13 10:20:13 UTC 2012. |
| 10:20.53 | _ramo | Fr 13. Apr 12:20:48 CEST 2012 |
| 10:20.57 | _ramo | is the output of date |
| 10:21.04 | _ramo | puh... hard job |
| 10:21.05 | _ramo | :) |
| 10:21.07 | nsadmin | that looks right... yes? |
| 10:21.11 | _ramo | yes |
| 10:21.33 | nsadmin | ok, so the actual hardware clock never changed |
| 10:22.02 | nsadmin | it is still set to UTC+0 |
| 10:22.11 | _ramo | thank you nsadmin |
| 10:22.21 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 10:22.57 | Tumulte2 | Hi! |
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| 10:23.16 | nsadmin | ok, since this is a remote and since you have colleagues that share it... you need to write about this |
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| 10:23.59 | nsadmin | (said colleagues should log out and log back in) |
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| 10:24.58 | Tumulte2 | I'm trying to upgrade to sid... and I can't find any relevant data... what site should I bookmark |
| 10:25.01 | Tumulte2 | ? |
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| 10:25.31 | sirriffsalot_ | Fingers crossed as I install Dream Studio guys=) |
| 10:25.32 | Tumulte2 | (I upraded like debian, and each time, it takes me an hour before finding something usefull) |
| 10:25.34 | sirriffsalot_ | And thanks for all the help! |
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| 10:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, sid upgrade |
| 10:28.44 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 10:29.21 | Iridos | dpkg, sid upgrade test |
| 10:29.22 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
| 10:29.38 | Tumulte2 | Iridos: ooook, I know all that |
| 10:29.47 | petern_ | heh |
| 10:29.55 | Tumulte2 | (some day, I'll be lucky enough to skip this part) |
| 10:30.26 | guardian | is there a way logrotate tells me which log files got rotated? instead of giving me the "/var/log/something/*.log" pattern that triggered the rotation? |
| 10:30.45 | Tumulte2 | Iridos: I'm a tester if you want to know |
| 10:31.20 | Tumulte2 | I know I got to add few lines to my source list, I'm quite sure I know em, but I like double checjing |
| 10:31.23 | nsadmin | you're a toaster?! |
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| 10:32.12 | unknown_had | hey all I am trying to do "apt-get install sun-java6" but it's saying "E: Unable to locate package sun-java6" |
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| 10:32.21 | simonlnu | !search |
| 10:32.22 | unknown_had | How i may install sun-java6 |
| 10:32.22 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
| 10:32.26 | _ramo | how can i configure rsyslog to sen just specific parts to an log server? |
| 10:32.38 | _ramo | for example i just want send mysql specific logs to the server |
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| 10:32.40 | _ramo | or ogs from an application |
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| 10:32.58 | unknown_had | atp-cache search says E: Unable to locate package sun-java6 |
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| 10:35.15 | xbix | unknown_had: what u think about http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html |
| 10:35.27 | spiekey | mjt, there is no /etc/network/ip-pre-up.d/vlan :-( |
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| 10:36.07 | Tumulte2 | Anyway, let's assume I know what I'm doing (I allow you not to care about me breacking my debian (I got another one)) does someone have a relevant source about sid? |
| 10:36.27 | unknown_had | xbix, IDK why it's not installing from repos. |
| 10:36.46 | nsadmin | Debians... crunch all you want... we'll make more... |
| 10:36.54 | unknown_had | xbix, thanks will do like this. |
| 10:37.28 | capri | i'll need lsb conforming samba and iscsitarget init.d scripts - are there any or do i have to write it by my own? |
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| 10:37.48 | capri | if so, should i send a bug report and fix the scripts |
| 10:37.50 | capri | ? |
| 10:37.50 | bzed | Tumulte2: what is a relevant source for you? |
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| 10:38.51 | Tumulte2 | bzed: most source.list I've found are just thrown in some random thread.... It's hard to find a good blog post or something with a complete how to |
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| 10:39.03 | iridos | Tumulte2, my confidence is also not bolstered by the fact that you didn't read the topic |
| 10:39.03 | iridos | :D |
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| 10:39.58 | Tumulte2 | iridos: Psychic superpowers? |
| 10:40.03 | iridos | hmm? |
| 10:40.18 | bzed | Tumulte2: if you can't figure out what needs to be added by reading your current sources list I don;t think you should run sid. |
| 10:40.23 | iridos | yeah, those, too, but weren't needed in this case |
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| 10:40.37 | bzed | Tumulte2: or if you are not able to read the appropriate manpage |
| 10:40.54 | bzed | capri: did you upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
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| 10:41.01 | johk | hi |
| 10:41.10 | johk | can someone help me with gdm3? |
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| 10:41.20 | bzed | !anybody |
| 10:41.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 10:41.25 | Tumulte2 | iridos: Joking about the fact you can tell whether I read the whole thread or not |
| 10:41.41 | iridos | Tumulte2, I mean... you'd not ask here if you did... because there's this bit that says "wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)" |
| 10:41.48 | xbix | johk: ask & we think |
| 10:41.57 | johk | can I configure gdm3 to behave when X fails? At the moment it just restarts X until all ttys are gone, and then I have many many gdm-simple-slave processes |
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| 10:42.16 | Tumulte2 | Iridos: oh gosh... it's not on freenode... I had an error about not being invited |
| 10:42.25 | Iridos | Tumulte2, so the plain fact you were asking _here_, next to my considerable psychic powers... |
| 10:42.33 | bzed | johk: well, not a gdm-ish solution - but just install a different *dm and debug the issue |
| 10:42.47 | capri | bzed: yes |
| 10:42.56 | Iridos | rrright :) |
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| 10:43.18 | bzed | capri: I'm sure you were asked to replace those (maybe modified by you) scripts with the current version which has the headers for sure :) |
| 10:43.35 | johk | bzed: sure, but I'm not good nor fast at debugging, and I haven't got the time to :( |
| 10:43.59 | bzed | capri: look into the folder, there should be a samba.dpkg-somthing file or so which is the current version of the init script, same for the iscsi stuff |
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| 10:44.03 | Iridos | Tumulte2, and why don't you go to testing first... you can always pull single packages from sid... specially when stuff in testing is broken. /msg dpkg testing (you can also ask dpkg about the stuff in <>-brackets) |
| 10:44.05 | johk | bzed: it has been a typical behavior of gdm3 when X fails for as long as I know |
| 10:44.47 | Tumulte2 | Iridos: I've run sid for a year withing so much as one trouble. I'm just reinstalling a proprietary free environnement |
| 10:44.54 | Tumulte2 | for audio production |
| 10:45.08 | Tumulte2 | I've no reason to stick to testing |
| 10:45.14 | johk | bzed: happens nearly always after updating the nvidia driver |
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| 10:45.18 | Iridos | not even sanity? |
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| 10:45.21 | Tumulte2 | s/withing/without |
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| 10:45.59 | Tumulte2 | Iridos: sanity? |
| 10:46.04 | Iridos | I dunno... I ran testing a long while and sometimes a bit sid... and it's just too much work to have to fix up everything every other day |
| 10:46.22 | johk | bzed: do not understand me wrong: I do take my time for a google, search and for a glance in the docu |
| 10:46.29 | Iridos | yeah... would drive me nuts, stuff breaking all the time when you upgrade |
| 10:47.23 | nsadmin | maybe when you upgrade, you might notice one or two things changing a little... |
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| 10:48.12 | johk | Bug#650183 |
| 10:48.15 | nsadmin | johk, hope just a glance is enuf :) |
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| 10:48.52 | johk | nsadmin: well typically I just revert, I need the computer for actually doing other stuff than getting it running... |
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| 10:49.11 | johk | nsadmin: and hope that the issue will be solved by the time I have the need to update again |
| 10:49.34 | johk | but this gdm3 behavious has been bugging me for quite a while now |
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| 10:50.48 | xbix | reinstall. if it not help u then remove gdm3 & install any other display manager |
| 10:51.27 | johk | xbix: :) I've done that as well |
| 10:51.38 | johk | xbix: not saying that I cannot get my x up and running, |
| 10:52.01 | xbix | login in terminal then startx |
| 10:52.10 | johk | xbix: but gdm3 has this buggy behaviour of retrying to start X hundreds of times |
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| 10:52.13 | xbix | if u need gui |
| 10:52.28 | xbix | from root ofcourse |
| 10:52.32 | johk | just saying there is a gdm3 bug |
| 10:52.44 | johk | or config error or whatever |
| 10:53.10 | xbix | may be the problem with your new nvidia driver |
| 10:53.12 | johk | and you then cannot fix it on the same conputer as it blocks all ttys |
| 10:53.19 | xbix | try to reconfigure it |
| 10:53.23 | johk | xbix: hang ON |
| 10:53.37 | xbix | or downgrade to previous |
| 10:53.38 | johk | xbix: I can get it running |
| 10:53.52 | johk | xbix: but there is a bug in gdm3 when X does not work |
| 10:54.06 | johk | xbix: I'm not trying to fix the X error atm |
| 10:54.13 | johk | xbix: that is another issue |
| 10:54.45 | johk | xbix: the problem is that gdm3 - if x is broken - does try to restart X again and again, and thereby blocks all the ttys |
| 10:55.28 | xbix | login in singlemode |
| 10:55.40 | johk | xbix: *sigh* |
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| 10:55.48 | johk | xbix: I know what I can do |
| 10:56.03 | xbix | do it |
| 10:56.04 | Woet | johk: then report a bug |
| 10:56.12 | johk | Woet: Bug#650183 |
| 10:56.19 | Woet | johk: okay, then what are you talking about in here? |
| 10:56.28 | Woet | you have found a bug, you have reported it and you know the workaround |
| 10:56.30 | Woet | !+next |
| 10:56.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:56.39 | xbix | johk: & what u want from us |
| 10:56.40 | xbix | & |
| 10:56.45 | xbix | ? |
| 10:57.08 | johk | xbix: I thought it might be a configuration issue, that can be simply fixed |
| 10:57.54 | johk | xbix: I do not like fixing symptons |
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| 11:04.24 | Iridos | what DO you like then |
| 11:04.41 | boston8372 | he left |
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| 11:05.14 | Iridos | so he likes leaving :) |
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| 11:06.40 | thomaschaaf | I want to start wpa_supplicant when the wireless controller is attached. How would I go about doing that? Doing it in an init script would not work as sometimes the interface is not available yet. |
| 11:07.27 | mashed | i expect some kind of hook in udev |
| 11:07.28 | Iridos | do you configure via /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 11:08.33 | menace | wasn't there a website, where debian wanted to work together with developers of the derivatives of debian? |
| 11:08.42 | mashed | ping |
| 11:08.51 | thomaschaaf | Iridos: damn let me try that :) |
| 11:09.24 | thomaschaaf | mashed: pong |
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| 11:11.41 | Iridos | I just wanted to know _how_ you configured networking... |
| 11:12.05 | Iridos | network-manager always does configures net whenever it becomes available... |
| 11:12.07 | boston8372 | i am in as root, but gedit to an xml file keeps barfing with (gedit:26059): Gtk - warning cannot open display 0.0 |
| 11:12.19 | boston8372 | it is like i need to sudo or something |
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| 11:12.37 | DragonDon | Greetings all |
| 11:12.48 | Iridos | boston8372, perhaps try a non-graphical editor or not to edit as root :) |
| 11:13.05 | DragonDon | is there an easy way to modify this script to work under debian? http://mlepicki.com/2011/10/remote-vnc-login-to-ubuntu-11-10/ |
| 11:13.52 | boston8372 | yeah if i new how to actually delete text with vi i would |
| 11:14.08 | unknown_had | I have tried to install java from "http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/sun-java6-jre/download" |
| 11:14.15 | Iridos | boston8372, "x" |
| 11:14.15 | mashed | boston8372 'x' |
| 11:14.21 | unknown_had | but this is not installing |
| 11:14.27 | Iridos | boston8372, there's also pico, which you might feel more comfortable with |
| 11:14.31 | Iridos | err nano |
| 11:14.33 | mashed | or nano |
| 11:14.34 | unknown_had | dependency error |
| 11:14.35 | Iridos | it shrunk further |
| 11:14.44 | boston8372 | thx |
| 11:14.52 | Iridos | mashed, it used to be pico... but then someone put it into the washing machine... |
| 11:14.53 | mashed | or *smirks* emacs |
| 11:14.55 | unknown_had | any help regarding how I may install java over debian. |
| 11:15.15 | boston8372 | java 1.6 |
| 11:15.23 | unknown_had | yes |
| 11:15.35 | boston8372 | did you try synaptic thingie |
| 11:15.43 | boston8372 | openjdk |
| 11:15.44 | unknown_had | nope |
| 11:15.53 | unknown_had | I tried apt-get and this link. |
| 11:15.59 | Iridos | unknown_had, you don't install things by downloading a package ... you let apt do the work for you |
| 11:16.01 | boston8372 | do you have gnome |
| 11:16.08 | mashed | unknown_had add non-free to your repo paths then search for the sun version |
| 11:16.26 | Iridos | it would be useful if you started out by giving the exact command you used and the exact error you got... |
| 11:16.33 | unknown_had | boston8372, yes gnome. |
| 11:16.48 | Iridos | I would guess... but I already used up most of my psychic powers on the last guy half an hour ago |
| 11:17.07 | boston8372 | ok then menu system / admin / synaptic |
| 11:17.37 | boston8372 | type in openjdk in search on right |
| 11:17.39 | BenNZ | unknown_had: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre ? |
| 11:18.02 | unknown_had | BenNZ, not working. |
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| 11:18.13 | boston8372 | 6 jr 6 jdk |
| 11:18.36 | boston8372 | install and set your JAVA_HOME envir var |
| 11:18.47 | xbix | boston8372: oracle.com. go to download page |
| 11:19.07 | xbix | & get version that u needed |
| 11:19.20 | unknown_had | BenNZ, Package 'sun-java6-jre' has no installation candidate |
| 11:19.29 | boston8372 | actually i dont need it unknown does |
| 11:19.35 | xbix | boston8372: not u |
| 11:19.39 | xbix | BenNZ: u |
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| 11:19.45 | unknown_had | xbix, I did that but it's ending with errors |
| 11:19.52 | stew | unknown_had: it in non-free, unless you have a good reason, use openjdk-6-jre |
| 11:20.18 | unknown_had | stew, ok let's try that |
| 11:20.23 | BenNZ | xbix: it was unknown_had that needed it |
| 11:20.31 | boston8372 | openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jdk |
| 11:20.46 | xbix | unknown_had: try to googling errors & install dependings |
| 11:20.47 | stew | unknown_had: the "sun" version is in the non-free repos for squeeze, but missing security fixes, its removed for wheezy and sid becuase its no longer legal for us to redistribute it |
| 11:21.15 | unknown_had | xbix, In dependency it was saying this need java6-bin |
| 11:21.24 | boston8372 | so do it |
| 11:22.00 | unknown_had | IDK this looks weird to me if I am installing java and it's saying this needs java to install java. |
| 11:22.12 | stew | unknown_had: java6-bin? or java6-runtime? |
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| 11:22.14 | unknown_had | anyways I think openjdk might works |
| 11:22.16 | unknown_had | thank you all |
| 11:22.31 | boston8372 | openjdk will work |
| 11:22.35 | Iridos | stew, how can the version in squeeze become illegal to redistribute? |
| 11:22.43 | unknown_had | some java bin not runtime. |
| 11:22.56 | unknown_had | thank you all for you time. :) |
| 11:23.03 | stew | Iridos: the one is squeeze is not, its known to be buggy and vulnerable, the newer fixed versions are not legal to redistribute |
| 11:23.12 | stew | Iridos: because oracle changed the license |
| 11:23.29 | Iridos | but one could in theory apply fixes to the one in squeeze... |
| 11:23.36 | xbix | boston8372: if u install dependings after jre u need to change pathes in configs. java is so java |
| 11:24.08 | stew | Iridos: no, since it is closed source |
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| 11:24.11 | xbix | can`t find own dependings & components |
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| 11:25.02 | Iridos | oh, it was always non-free |
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| 11:25.09 | Iridos | forgot about that |
| 11:25.31 | klys | doesn't netbeans require openjdk 7 ? |
| 11:25.51 | stew | judd: depends netbeans |
| 11:25.52 | judd | No package named 'netbeans' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 11:26.28 | stew | uh, what is it called in squeeze |
| 11:27.11 | stew | oh, it wasn't in squeeze, it was in lenny and it is in wheezy, either will work with java6 |
| 11:27.28 | stew | judd: depends netbeans --relesae sid |
| 11:27.29 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
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| 11:27.43 | stew | judd: depends netbeans --relesae unstable |
| 11:27.44 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 11:28.00 | stew | judd: depends netbeans --release unstable |
| 11:28.01 | judd | Package netbeans in sid/i386 -- depends: libnb-platform13-java (>= 7.0), openjdk-6-jdk | java6-sdk | java7-sdk, libnb-ide14-java (= 7.0.1+dfsg1-5), libnb-java5-java (= 7.0.1+dfsg1-5), libnb-apisupport3-java (= 7.0.1+dfsg1-5). |
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| 11:28.31 | Famic | hi |
| 11:28.53 | Famic | is it possible to have ip_conntrack_ftp handle fxp too ? |
| 11:29.42 | klys | maven2 ? |
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| 11:30.53 | sonne | greetings! |
| 11:31.03 | xbix | sonne: heil |
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| 11:31.11 | sonne | anyone knows why pacemaker doesn't get installed on /etc/rc2.d? |
| 11:31.19 | sonne | also "insserv pacemaker" doesn't seem to fix it |
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| 11:33.34 | sonne | so... has anyone ever managed to make a service autostart with insserv? |
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| 11:45.53 | xbix | everybody looks that nobody see sonne`s messages |
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| 11:46.21 | xbix | sonne: i can`t help u |
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| 11:46.42 | slikts | xbix: you're using backticks where there should be apostrophes |
| 11:46.54 | linux-ninja | What would be the basic drivers to get a system running? My box has been crashing a rebooting sudently I am suspecting it is a module, I want to get a plain vanilla system, what would be the module to look out for? |
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| 11:48.10 | stew | linux-ninja: its more likely a hardware problem than a software problem. perhaps try memtest86+ |
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| 11:49.08 | stew | sonne: show us the output of "insserv -v pacemaker" in a pastebin |
| 11:49.28 | sonne | never mind, i fixed that |
| 11:49.40 | sonne | there were no runlevels specified in the init script |
| 11:49.49 | sonne | i've put some on insserv's overrides, now it works :) |
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| 11:51.22 | stew | soundslike a bug |
| 11:51.32 | sonne | not actually |
| 11:51.43 | sonne | pacemaker isn't supposed to run by itself by default |
| 11:51.50 | stew | ok |
| 11:51.56 | sonne | the default behavior is to start it as a corosync child, which i'm avoiding on purpose |
| 11:53.07 | Orphis | Hi, I've got a problem with my company internal APT repository. When I run apt-get update, it complains at the end that some file size is not what the server reported and there's a GPG error on the Release file. Problem is, when I run it again, the error get fixed |
| 11:54.07 | Orphis | I think it is probably using some old Release or Release.gpg to check the file size, which is odd |
| 11:54.21 | Orphis | Has anybody got this problem or anything similar ? |
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| 11:56.37 | xbix | slikts: sorry but it`s convenient for me. |
| 11:56.55 | xbix | i`m about apostrophes & backticks |
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| 11:57.47 | slikts | xbix: it's wrong |
| 11:57.54 | slikts | xbix: also using "u" is wrong |
| 11:58.03 | xbix | i'm try to change it. but it difficult |
| 11:58.10 | xbix | i knoe |
| 11:58.15 | xbix | know* |
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| 11:58.27 | xbix | but it shortly |
| 11:58.38 | slikts | you can do it |
| 11:58.44 | xbix | also i'm from Russia |
| 11:58.46 | xbix | =) |
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| 11:58.55 | slikts | being from Russia is also wrong |
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| 11:59.33 | xbix | i learn english 12 years ago. |
| 11:59.43 | slikts | you must use reactos |
| 11:59.58 | xbix | reactos is bullshit |
| 12:00.46 | xbix | it is crutches not OS |
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| 12:08.34 | LV-426 | i'd like to scaleup /run/shm - where to tmpfs mount options go ? |
| 12:08.52 | LV-426 | s/to/do |
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| 12:19.22 | xbix | everybody sleep |
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| 12:21.05 | stew | LV-426: /etc/default/tmpfs |
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| 12:21.43 | abrotman | !tell xbix about ru |
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| 12:23.38 | LV-426 | thanks stew |
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| 12:25.30 | boston8372 | why always the need for ./ to run script or program |
| 12:25.40 | boston8372 | i mean i am right here baby |
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| 12:25.54 | abrotman | boston8372: because you don't have . in your path thankfully |
| 12:26.03 | boston8372 | lol |
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| 12:28.36 | montreux | Hi, I'm trying to boot diskless server over PXE. But the idea is to avoid using nfs. Instead of I want to have rootfs on ramdisk. I have created initrd img. Base system was created with debootstrap. In pxelinux.cfg/default I have set: root=/dev/ram0 but system does not boot, it says: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0). Any clue? |
| 12:29.01 | montreux | initrd.img is based on ext3 fs |
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| 12:29.17 | xbix | abrotman: any problems with me? i'd helped some guys. i do not speak russian here. i do not break the rules. |
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| 12:31.11 | boston8372 | boy export is finnicky extra space and it barfs |
| 12:31.16 | doublehp_ | hello; when doing aptitude install foo, I am said to installed many deps I don't need; how to install only the vital deps ? http://pastebin.com/4EczACwU |
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| 12:32.11 | abrotman | doublehp_: they're dependencies |
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| 12:32.32 | doublehp_ | abrotman: I don't think so ... read paste. |
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| 12:33.19 | abrotman | doublehp_: unless i'm mistaken, rox-filer is a GUI app ? |
| 12:33.29 | doublehp_ | y |
| 12:33.41 | doublehp_ | and i sware it does not need any browser to work |
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| 12:34.00 | LV-426 | montreux, are you successfully serving the initrd over tftp ? I think you need to pass a tftp:// url along with kernel params to make that happen |
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| 12:34.15 | abrotman | doublehp_: did you think maybe it uses that toolkit as its backend? or perhaps to display help ? |
| 12:34.24 | LEMINHTAN47 | hello |
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| 12:34.38 | montreux | LV-426: yes, serving is not the problem :-) |
| 12:34.38 | doublehp_ | abrotman: i know it does not. |
| 12:34.51 | abrotman | doublehp_: so it just includes xulrunner for fun ? |
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| 12:35.04 | LEMINHTAN47 | plz! help me |
| 12:35.16 | LEMINHTAN47 | how to copy in vim editor? |
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| 12:35.37 | doublehp_ | abrotman: 4y ago , I hd the issue: wanted to install X with only the drivers for my hardware, and you (or an other big helper here) told me how to install only the video driver for my card, and not the drivers for card i don't have |
| 12:35.41 | LV-426 | on irc, no one can hear you scream ;] |
| 12:35.46 | boston8372 | copy paste save as what ya mean LEH |
| 12:35.54 | doublehp_ | abrotman: it's a dep issue, but i know some deps are *optionnal* |
| 12:35.57 | abrotman | doublehp_: that was different |
| 12:36.05 | LEMINHTAN47 | ? |
| 12:36.14 | boston8372 | what are u trying to do |
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| 12:36.32 | abrotman | LEMINHTAN47: google "vi tutorial" |
| 12:36.32 | doublehp_ | abrotman: xulruner is a dep of a dep of a dep of a dep; debian thing. I have Rox on other machines without iceweasel |
| 12:36.35 | LEMINHTAN47 | i want to copy a line on vim editor |
| 12:36.44 | abrotman | doublehp_: it's not installing iceweasel ? |
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| 12:36.52 | LEMINHTAN47 | how must it do? |
| 12:36.53 | xbix | LEMINHTAN47: look here http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Vim |
| 12:36.57 | boston8372 | right click your mouse maybe |
| 12:36.57 | doublehp_ | abrotman: not on non debian machines |
| 12:36.59 | abrotman | doublehp_: oh , try aptitude -R install foo |
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| 12:37.32 | LEMINHTAN47 | ok |
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| 12:37.36 | LEMINHTAN47 | i got it |
| 12:37.39 | LEMINHTAN47 | thankiu |
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| 12:38.58 | xbix | LEMINHTAN47: also http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/usr_toc.html |
| 12:39.58 | xbix | ops |
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| 12:40.02 | xbix | http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/ |
| 12:40.36 | LEMINHTAN47 | oh! |
| 12:40.47 | LEMINHTAN47 | that great! |
| 12:40.52 | xbix | & else one vimtutor in terminal |
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| 12:41.42 | doublehp_ | abrotman: sounds like it, but was 10s too late; hit enter, and aptitude keeps going dispite ^C |
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| 12:41.56 | abrotman | doublehp_: remove it, then install it again without Recommends |
| 12:42.08 | boston8372 | you run a bash .sh to set env and i guess it shells, set them there, comes back, and not there |
| 12:42.37 | doublehp_ | abrotman: I hit enter to do at least the download during chat, but unpacking started, and it's unpacking everything; can't stop it |
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| 12:43.00 | abrotman | doublehp_: right, when it's done ,, aptitude remove rox-filer .. then install again swith -R |
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| 12:43.14 | abrotman | judd: recommends rox-filer --release squeeze |
| 12:43.15 | judd | Package rox-filer in squeeze/i386 -- recommends: zeroinstall-injector. |
| 12:43.21 | abrotman | not very helpful |
| 12:43.23 | LEMINHTAN47 | i want to use a picture for 404 error on my mod_security |
| 12:43.32 | LEMINHTAN47 | how must i do? |
| 12:44.00 | doublehp_ | abrotman: my aim is to save installation time |
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| 12:46.17 | abrotman | doublehp_: okay, well .. now you know? |
| 12:46.50 | doublehp_ | abrotman: yes, thanks. I ll write it on a paper (really) :) |
| 12:48.11 | abrotman | okay, good luck |
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| 12:51.47 | xbix | LEMINHTAN47: with it go #html or similar channel |
| 12:52.15 | abrotman | you mean #httpd ? |
| 12:52.22 | abrotman | #html won't care |
| 12:53.35 | xbix | abrotman: i don't know channels on this server. & i'd writed "similar channel" |
| 12:55.41 | stew | LEMINHTAN47: search for "ErrorDocument" in the apache documentation |
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| 12:56.08 | abrotman | xbix: /msg alis help |
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| 12:57.19 | LEMINHTAN47 | stew:Search for "ErrorDocument" ??? |
| 12:57.26 | stew | LEMINHTAN47: yes |
| 12:57.35 | LEMINHTAN47 | what next? |
| 12:57.50 | stew | create an html document that has the picture you want |
| 12:58.15 | doublehp_ | LEMINHTAN47: not in .htaccess ? any way, this is offtopic here. Try #apache, or #lighttpd or #httpd ; but you are OT. |
| 12:58.34 | stew | not in .htaccess |
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| 12:58.51 | LEMINHTAN47 | ok |
| 12:58.55 | LEMINHTAN47 | thanks |
| 12:58.56 | LEMINHTAN47 | let |
| 12:59.00 | LEMINHTAN47 | let's me try! |
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| 12:59.27 | Famic | hi |
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| 12:59.51 | Famic | I have a box that freezes right after welcome screen when I connect in ssh. Any idea what could cause that ? |
| 13:00.22 | doublehp_ | Famic: freese only network connexion, or also local cessions ? |
| 13:00.22 | xbix | abrotman: you are real dislike to me. but it`s your personal. nobody said that i bothering here. just stop your racism to russian users. |
| 13:00.29 | doublehp_ | Famic: dead disk, ram, CPU ... |
| 13:00.49 | Famic | doublehp_: I dunno about local sessions, the box is in a datacenter I can't access |
| 13:00.54 | stew | xbix: now you are being silly, please just drop this |
| 13:00.59 | doublehp_ | Famic: does ping do on ? |
| 13:01.23 | Famic | doublehp_: yes, ping is fine |
| 13:01.33 | Famic | actually I believe it's just the ssh session that hangs, not the box |
| 13:01.38 | doublehp_ | Famic: can you start a new cession ? |
| 13:01.51 | xbix | stew: sorry. i go to private conversation with abrotman |
| 13:02.10 | doublehp_ | Famic: how much time after login ? what does the terminal show ? does it unfreese after 10mn ? |
| 13:02.21 | stew | i'm guessing that if I listen closely, you'll hear a plonking sound |
| 13:02.29 | doublehp_ | Famic: sounds like a DNS issue; wait at least 5mn, and see if you can start a new // cession |
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| 13:02.33 | Famic | doublehp_: it freezes either right after the login message or right after displaying the prompot |
| 13:02.54 | doublehp_ | Famic: x86 ? |
| 13:03.19 | Famic | doublehp_: I thinkg it's x64 |
| 13:03.29 | Famic | I don't see any link in that to a DNS issue btw |
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| 13:04.03 | doublehp_ | Famic: REVERSE dns issue can make ssh daemon look like freese for 5mn, if it can not reverse YOUR ip ... |
| 13:04.20 | doublehp_ | Famic: thus wait at least 5mn; see what happens |
| 13:04.36 | stew | !debug sshd |
| 13:04.37 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 13:04.47 | Famic | doublehp_: I tried connecting from my windows home machine and from another distant box in a data center. Same result |
| 13:05.01 | doublehp_ | Famic: I also had strange freeses with ssh with recent distros (post 1998) on old arch (pre 1996). Some combinations are poorly tested. |
| 13:05.30 | Famic | I already had this issue a while ago, but I can't remember if it solved after reboot or if I had to do anything |
| 13:05.33 | doublehp_ | Famic: -d can help; but we need an ERROR message. |
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| 13:05.47 | Famic | I don't connect often to this machine, it's just here to handle backups |
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| 13:06.23 | Famic | doublehp_: I guess I can reboot it in some kind of safe mode and check the logs. Which one could be relevant ? |
| 13:06.24 | doublehp_ | Famic: add -vvv on client side (stew: he can't connect to server ... ) |
| 13:06.50 | stew | if he can't connect to the server, he probably can't fix this anyway |
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| 13:07.12 | stew | well, he can probably fix his reverse dns, which probably is the problem |
| 13:07.20 | doublehp_ | Famic: if you get an error message, then it's not a reverse issue. That would be a start. 70% of my issues are reverse ones. |
| 13:07.37 | Famic | stew: I can connect, but it freezes right after the prompt appears, and I could connect in some kind of safe mode if needed |
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| 13:08.41 | Famic | doublehp_: I get "...debug2: shell request accepted on channel 0" then welcome msg and prompt, then I can't type anything |
| 13:08.48 | stew | if you get a prompt it isn't reverse dns |
| 13:08.49 | doublehp_ | Famic: connection timeout would be a serious issue (long chat, no time for me today) |
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| 13:09.46 | doublehp_ | Famic: ok: try to force shell: << ssh -l login server /bin/true >> ; this must login, do nothing, and give your local prompt immediately |
| 13:10.31 | doublehp_ | Famic: if it works, go further: run an alternative shell: ssh -l login server /bin/csh # or zsh; anything but bash |
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| 13:11.54 | xSmurf | anyone knows how to inspect backintime backup to see where the big files are?? |
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| 13:12.12 | xSmurf | du -PHsh isn't all that useful with subdirectories |
| 13:12.24 | Famic | doublehp_: /bin/true worked |
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| 13:13.02 | doublehp_ | Famic: was it fast ? no error message ? then, the ssh layer is fine. The issue is either around your shell, or your system (broken libc or so) |
| 13:13.15 | Famic | doublehp_: it was instantaneous |
| 13:13.49 | doublehp_ | Famic: start with alternative shells, then try non shell stuff (ls, df ... ) ; then light shells, heavy shells ... |
| 13:13.50 | Famic | with csh I get file not found, with zsh it times out |
| 13:13.56 | doublehp_ | gotta go. Good luck. |
| 13:14.33 | Famic | ls works |
| 13:14.55 | Famic | thanks doublehp_ |
| 13:14.59 | doublehp_ | csh not installed; zsh seems installed, and freesing. try ls, df ... you will start to focus around the problem. But since true is fine, sshd itself is fine. |
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| 13:15.30 | doublehp_ | could include problems with locales, /etc/profile ... |
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| 13:15.44 | Famic | doublehp_: I guess so, but I don't know where to go from there :/ |
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| 13:18.03 | Famic | anyone else could help me figure out what's going wrong ? |
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| 13:37.36 | linuxguess | hello to everyone |
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| 13:38.48 | linuxguess | sorry guys do someone know some method faster to go through every single directory than the find command? |
| 13:38.58 | linuxguess | I mean I have to process the deferred queue in postfix |
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| 13:39.31 | linuxguess | but if I have more than 70k file the command find will take around 10h to process all the file in the directory |
| 13:39.43 | dvs | O_O |
| 13:39.43 | jelly | linuxguess: first, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:39.44 | linuxguess | I am working on a debian vm |
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| 13:40.08 | linuxguess | with kernel 2.6.32-5 |
| 13:40.13 | jelly | !goal |
| 13:40.14 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 13:40.15 | xeon123 | I want to install debian from a usb disk. I looked in the debian site (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en), but I still don't understand. I'm used to ubuntu. What should I do to save an debian image in usb? |
| 13:40.17 | Timmy | how can i reset root password? it has been lost |
| 13:40.25 | jelly | !tell Timmy about ifrp |
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| 13:41.04 | intore__ | hi, i had a pc with debian etch, 2 hdisk, the first one was sda and second was sdb (sdb1 and sdb2). i formatted with squeeze and i installed it on sda1. now i don't find sdb. could you help me please? |
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| 13:41.51 | dvs | xeon123: Huh? the two command are right there. |
| 13:41.52 | alex- | 0% [Connecting to cache.het.net] [Connecting to cache.het.net] [Connecting to c |
| 13:42.02 | alex- | why is this when i do apt-get update? ^ |
| 13:42.23 | xeon123 | dvs: you mean cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 13:42.35 | dvs | yeah |
| 13:42.44 | xeon123 | dvs: but I can't find an iso that fit the usb disk. |
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| 13:43.02 | xeon123 | dvs: the only iso that I found is about 20 disks. |
| 13:43.29 | dvs | xeon123: From what location? |
| 13:43.35 | linuxguess | so someone know some method to speed up the process to go through every dir |
| 13:43.43 | xbix | intore__: in squeeze disc are named other. just type "ls /dev" |
| 13:43.53 | xbix | you will see |
| 13:44.01 | alex- | anyone? |
| 13:44.09 | xeon123 | dvs: from here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 13:44.13 | xbix | sda is phisical |
| 13:44.29 | linuxguess | if I have more that 70k file |
| 13:44.33 | xbix | sda1 2 3 & other are partitions |
| 13:44.55 | dvs | xeon123: That's the general page but from what link? |
| 13:45.00 | jelly | linuxguess: why do you have 70k mails in the deferred queue? Have you tried using qshape to get some rough statistics? |
| 13:45.07 | dvs | the one that contains the iso? |
| 13:45.23 | xeon123 | dvs: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:45.29 | xbix | alex-: try to ping. may be that server is unreachable |
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| 13:45.53 | dvs | xeon123: You only need the first CD for a USB install |
| 13:46.09 | dvs | xeon123: or netinst |
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| 13:46.23 | alex- | xbix: ping ftp.nl.debian.org gives me a time out |
| 13:46.28 | alex- | what port does apt-get update uses? |
| 13:46.30 | alex- | 80 ? |
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| 13:47.13 | jelly | linuxguess: have you looked at the logs first to determine the source of some of those messages? In general, using well defined interfaces and postcat, postqueue, postsuper commands will be easier to do than reinventing tools for scratch |
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| 13:47.59 | repnot | Hello |
| 13:48.13 | alex- | xbix: why does it wants to reach cache.het.net ? |
| 13:48.20 | xeon123 | dvs: I'll try it. I've another question, but it's because I'm trying to install debian in a xen image |
| 13:48.38 | dvs | xen? dunno about that. |
| 13:48.52 | xbix | alex-: ftp.nl.debian.org is working. http://rghost.ru/37562558.view |
| 13:48.54 | xeon123 | dvs: ok |
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| 13:49.21 | alex- | xbix: yes, but it tries to access cache.het.net |
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| 13:49.26 | alex- | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/non-free/i18n/Translation-en.bz2 Could not resolve 'cache.het.net' |
| 13:49.29 | repnot | Hmm, when I installed Debian on my server I chose to encrypt the drive. Now I'm sick of having to type in a password over VNC everytime the server reboots. Can I somehow remove the encryption or deactivate it or something ? |
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| 13:50.03 | stew | alex-: sounds ilke you have an http proxy configured in the env or in /etc/apt.conf* |
| 13:50.20 | alex- | Acquire::http::Proxy "http://cache.het.net:3142/"; |
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| 13:50.39 | alex- | Why should I use ap roxY? |
| 13:50.41 | alex- | a proxy * |
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| 13:51.26 | stew | alex-: it is not common to use a proxy, reasons you might use a proxy would be to get by a firewall not letting you talk directly to the web, or if you have a proxy which is caching |
| 13:51.37 | alex- | I added a firewall |
| 13:51.40 | alex- | Is it good to use a proxy? |
| 13:51.47 | alex- | e.g. can it go from the server to the proxy over port 80? |
| 13:52.09 | xeon123 | I'm want to install debian squeeze to run in xen. Is there an image of debian for xen? |
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| 13:52.18 | stew | alex-: are you using your firewall to prevent this machine from connecting to ftp.nl.debian.org? if so, why? |
| 13:52.21 | xbix | alex-: i can't help you with it. add exceptions to your fire wall |
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| 13:52.36 | alex- | stew on which port? |
| 13:52.38 | stew | 80 |
| 13:52.50 | alex- | port 80 is open |
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| 13:53.36 | stew | alex-: then i don't know why you would want to use a proxy unless it was a caching proxy for speed. if that is what you are intending to do, doing this for a security mirror puts a lot of trust in who runs the proxy |
| 13:54.00 | xbix | 17.53. it`'s time to go home. working day is over. good luck, guys. sir abrotman, good luck personally. |
| 13:54.01 | alex- | the one who runs the proxy is the hoster of my vps |
| 13:54.05 | alex- | so idk if i can trust him |
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| 13:55.10 | stew | you are already putting ultimate trust in someone that is running your vps for you |
| 13:55.35 | alex- | Can I trust him with the proxy? |
| 13:56.12 | stew | you already trust him with everything, so sure |
| 13:56.53 | alex- | everything? |
| 13:57.26 | sunbeam | Is there a way in debian to close the virtual machine it runs in with a pause in a command? in stead of just shutdown |
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| 13:57.31 | sunbeam | shutdown -h or -r |
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| 13:59.17 | alex- | sunbeam: nope, the os is virtualised |
| 13:59.28 | alex- | sunbeam: you can't edit anything from outside the os without having access to the vm control panel |
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| 14:00.12 | intore__ | xbix: there isn't it |
| 14:00.34 | Creamz | Hello, I'm running apache2 2.2.9. I'm planning to install Joomla on the server but as their requirements I need mod_mysql/mod_xml / mod_zlib I cant find these packages/how to install them. (running debian) |
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| 14:01.57 | alex- | stew i added the rule to my firewall: If protocol is TCP and destination is 85.159.112.68 and destination port is 3142 |
| 14:02.02 | alex- | but it isn't really working |
| 14:02.53 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with him |
| 14:03.08 | alex- | who? |
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| 14:03.56 | stew | alex-: your problem with cache.he.net is a dns problem, not a firewall problem |
| 14:04.02 | stew | well, unless your dns problem is a firewall problem |
| 14:04.06 | alex- | eh |
| 14:04.08 | alex- | I think firewall |
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| 14:04.20 | alex- | if i turn it off it works |
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| 14:04.31 | stew | well its not a problem with port tcp/3142, it's a problem tcp/53 and udp/53 5then |
| 14:04.31 | alex- | Which ports do i have to open? |
| 14:04.48 | stew | tcp/53 and udp/53 |
| 14:05.39 | alex- | thanks :) |
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| 14:08.31 | alex- | strange |
| 14:08.33 | alex- | it's not working |
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| 14:09.53 | stbuehler | hi! where should i report that http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-i386/daily/netboot-9/debian-installer/kfreebsd-i386/grub.cfg is broken? (it needs s/kfreebsd.gz/kfreebsd-9.gz/) |
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| 14:11.43 | babilen | stbuehler: Dailies are frequently broken at this point in the release and I am not sure if anybody cares about that at the moment. You could try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net), but see first sentence. |
| 14:12.31 | babilen | stbuehler: Also #debian-kbsd, but it is typically recommend to *not* use dailies of the installer to install Debian unless the d-i team explicitly calls for testing. |
| 14:12.31 | stbuehler | babilen: well, considering that it doesn't look like a temporary problem i'd still like to report it, so thx for the info :) |
| 14:12.50 | babilen | sure |
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| 14:13.35 | BotaniCar | i have a server on which i want to change hostname from oldname to newname. I did "hostname newname" , changed /etc/hostname and rebooted ; after reboot "hostname" returns "newname", and "hostname --fqd" returns "oldname" , any advice on that ? |
| 14:14.00 | babilen | !tell BotaniCar -about hostname |
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| 14:14.24 | babilen | BotaniCar: Check your /etc/hosts as well (and be aware of Debian's 127.0.1.1 convention) |
| 14:14.41 | alex- | stew it's not working |
| 14:14.47 | alex- | stew even not if i added tcp/53 and udp/53 |
| 14:14.53 | jelly | babilen: what 127.0.1.1 convention? |
| 14:15.15 | babilen | jelly: One second, I'll get the bug report/documentation |
| 14:15.37 | jelly | listens to on-hold music |
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| 14:15.41 | stew | alex-: what exactly did you add? |
| 14:15.59 | babilen | jelly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316099 + http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution |
| 14:16.29 | alex- | stew http://pastebin.com/HFjjc9tU |
| 14:17.03 | stew | alex-: are those incoming or outgoing rules or both? |
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| 14:17.31 | alex- | out |
| 14:17.46 | stew | alex-: you need to allow the replies from port 53 |
| 14:17.52 | alex- | ah |
| 14:17.56 | alex- | in/out tcp/53 |
| 14:17.59 | alex- | in/out udp/53 |
| 14:18.00 | alex- | right? |
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| 14:19.03 | BotaniCar | babilen: thank you, it nailed it |
| 14:19.10 | babilen | BotaniCar: Wonderful :) |
| 14:19.16 | stew | i don't know what you mean exactly. if you make a dns query to port 53, you are going to get a reply from port 53 |
| 14:20.12 | stew | alex-: likewise when you make a query to port 3142 you are expecting a reply from port 3142, I don't what firewall you are using and if you have already accounted for this |
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| 14:21.17 | alex- | still same problem |
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| 14:26.20 | boston8372 | where to make environment variables permanent ? |
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| 14:26.51 | jordanm | boston8372: you mean for each shell that is started? interactive shells only or all shells? |
| 14:27.04 | jordanm | boston8372: all users, or just your user? |
| 14:27.34 | boston8372 | all users every thx |
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| 14:28.25 | boston8372 | all shells all users |
| 14:28.27 | stew | boston8372: drop a file into /etc/profile.d/ |
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| 14:28.42 | stew | assuming "all shells" are generally sh shells |
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| 14:30.02 | boston8372 | ok thx. so i have 1 file in there. bash_completion.sh so i drop in like a fred.sh ? |
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| 14:31.00 | jordanm | boston8372: that won't work with all shells |
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| 14:31.16 | boston8372 | how about bash |
| 14:31.16 | jordanm | boston8372: what is wrong with the bash-completion package? |
| 14:31.21 | jordanm | only bash |
| 14:31.43 | jordanm | also, bash_completion only makes sense for interactive bash shells |
| 14:32.00 | stew | boston8372: yes, fred.sh will work |
| 14:32.08 | jordanm | so for all users, you would source it in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 14:32.23 | stew | jordanm: that will only work for bash shells though, not other shells |
| 14:32.45 | jordanm | stew: if its called bash_completion.sh, I am pretty sure it contains bashisms |
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| 14:33.02 | stew | jordanm: yes, and terminates quickly if its non bash by checking for BASH_VERSION |
| 14:33.06 | stew | jordanm: so it doesn't break other shells |
| 14:33.13 | boston8372 | ok i am only using bash and interactive would that work only for fred or for everyone |
| 14:33.20 | stew | boston8372: for everyone |
| 14:33.52 | stew | boston8372: for people using shells like bash or zsh, but not for other wacky shells like fish |
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| 14:37.35 | boston8372 | ok that didnt work |
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| 14:37.45 | boston8372 | that .sh has X rights |
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| 14:37.53 | z3l | Hello. Is anyone having troubles with flashplugin-nonfree on fullscreen mode? |
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| 14:38.44 | babilen | z3l: No |
| 14:39.15 | z3l | babilen: This is very weird. I am unable to put videos on fullscreen in iceweasel for example. They are lagging. |
| 14:39.20 | boston8372 | why would it randomly execute all .sh in that dir that is dumb |
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| 14:39.36 | babilen | z3l: If you do: Please upgrade your flashplugin with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" and see if you can reproduce the issue. Also try different browsers (e.g. IW from http://mozilla.debian.net ) |
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| 14:39.58 | babilen | z3l: It might also be that your computer is to slow to render flash movies in full-screen |
| 14:39.58 | z3l | babilen: Ok, ill try. Thank you. |
| 14:40.13 | z3l | babilen: The computer is not the case |
| 14:40.17 | babilen | z3l: Do you have any hardware acceleration? Which GPU/driver do you use? |
| 14:40.33 | z3l | babilen: I use Ati drivers from the official website. |
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| 14:40.59 | babilen | z3l: You mean from ati.com? |
| 14:41.04 | z3l | babilen: yes |
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| 14:41.48 | babilen | z3l: That is neither supported nor recommended by us -- If I were you I would just use the free radeon drivers (with firmware) as they are very good, but fglrx is certainly an option. You can get newer version from http://backports.debian.org btw |
| 14:41.52 | babilen | !tell z3l -about radeon |
| 14:41.55 | z3l | babilen: However it might be the case, because I have connected the other screen. When I try to play videos there , it is laggy. (VLC media player) |
| 14:41.55 | babilen | !tell z3l -about fglrx dkms |
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| 14:42.31 | z3l | babilen: Does it support Radeon HD 6370M ? |
| 14:42.35 | deed02392 | What is the point of a 'lazy umount'? |
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| 14:43.23 | babilen | z3l: I am not entirely sure, but you can ask in #radeon |
| 14:43.37 | babilen | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 14:43.39 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on i386 -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:6.14.4-1; wheezy: 1:6.14.4-1 |
| 14:43.59 | babilen | z3l: You can install either 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1 or 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1 |
| 14:44.12 | z3l | babilen: Ok, let me remove the official drivers firstly. |
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| 14:47.06 | babilen | z3l: And make sure that you install libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree (from non-free) as well. You probably also have to remove a legacy /etc/X11/xorg.conf or a configuration stanza in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- Once you've done all this paste the output of glxinfo |grep -iE "render(ing|er)" |
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| 14:48.24 | z3l | babilen: Thank you very much, I am still looking up how to remove current drivers. |
| 14:48.32 | slikts | what's better, gnu hurd or reactos? |
| 14:48.52 | babilen | !tell z3l -about remove ati |
| 14:48.56 | mjt | better for what? |
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| 14:49.08 | Zaerath | Are there any valid lenny mirrors? |
| 14:49.14 | slikts | mjt: which do you like more |
| 14:49.18 | Zaerath | I'm getting 404 from doing apt-get updates on lenny. |
| 14:49.27 | mjt | lenny is discontinued |
| 14:49.46 | Zaerath | i figured as much, but I can't upgrade to squeeze because fontconfig-config has been discontinued. |
| 14:49.53 | dvs | !tell Zaerath about lenny |
| 14:49.54 | babilen | Zaerath: We release squeeze (current Debian stable) a year ago and lenny has been removed from the mirrors and has been moved to the archive. Please upgrade to squeeze *now*! |
| 14:50.00 | babilen | !tell Zaerath -about lenny |
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| 14:50.04 | babilen | oops |
| 14:50.08 | dvs | too slow1! |
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| 14:50.34 | zaerath | I would love to upgrade to squeeze, but I have an issue. |
| 14:50.36 | mjt | fontconfig-config should be a good reason to keep lenny... |
| 14:50.52 | zaerath | fontconfig: Depends: fontconfig-config but it is not installable |
| 14:50.56 | zaerath | libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.6.0-3) but it is not installable |
| 14:51.05 | zaerath | I can't find fontconfig-config 2.6.0.3 anywhere to dpkg it. |
| 14:51.16 | zaerath | Since it's replaced by fontconfig. |
| 14:51.25 | mjt | so why do you thing you need fontcontig? |
| 14:51.35 | mjt | think |
| 14:51.49 | zaerath | It tells me that when I distupgrade. |
| 14:51.54 | babilen | zaerath: So, what have you done so far? What causes this problem? Have you upgraded lenny to the latest version before dist-upgrading? Did you follow the release notes for the upgrade? If yes: At which step are you right now? If not: Why not? |
| 14:51.56 | zaerath | I can't dist-upgrade... |
| 14:52.05 | zaerath | Okay, I'll start from the beginning here. |
| 14:52.10 | babilen | Please do that. |
| 14:52.32 | zaerath | Lenny should be up to date, I just did an apt-get upgrade today. However, it kept back 94 packages (including security updates for apache). Since this is my home webserver, I want those security updates. |
| 14:52.39 | zaerath | They're held back because they aren't for lenny. |
| 14:52.48 | zaerath | So I did the usual - apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 14:52.55 | zaerath | Now I get the error that fontconfig-config is holding me up. |
| 14:53.30 | zaerath | When I do the apt-get update, however, it yells at me and keeps the old repos because the repos don't exist anymore. |
| 14:53.46 | babilen | They are held back because they aren't for lenny? What are they for? |
| 14:53.55 | zaerath | I'm assuming that's why they're held back? |
| 14:53.57 | zaerath | It doesn't explain. |
| 14:54.11 | babilen | And you also don't upgrade to squeeze merely by running "apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 14:54.19 | zaerath | I know. |
| 14:54.24 | zaerath | Btu I need to do a dist-upgrade first. :0 |
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| 14:54.49 | boston8372 | only updating the .bashrc file worked not /etc/profile.d |
| 14:54.51 | zaerath | You switch the repos to squeeze first. I tried doing that, but I still can't apt-get upgrade because this fontconfig problem. |
| 14:54.51 | Timmy | how can i configure package manager to keep downloaded packages under /var/cache/apt/archive? i mean after a while it removes them but i want to keep all of them |
| 14:54.59 | babilen | zaerath: Please show me the output of "apt-cache policy", your sources.list and the exact error your see when you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" now |
| 14:55.04 | babilen | zaerath: (Paste that to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 14:55.09 | zaerath | Will do |
| 14:55.33 | babilen | zaerath: So you have squeeze already in your sources.list ? |
| 14:55.36 | babilen | waits |
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| 14:56.13 | sweb | i want to test another server ... how can i send very udp packet from my server via terminal ? |
| 14:56.15 | zaerath | I added it, then removed it because it still wasn't working. |
| 14:56.31 | zaerath | http://paste.debian.net/163138/ |
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| 14:58.10 | zaerath | Btw, the advice it gives is terrible. If I try an apt-get -f install, it wants to remove the 278 packages that depend on fontconfig-config (a whole lot of important ones) :) |
| 14:58.42 | stew | zaerath: that's probably assuming that you have a working sources.list |
| 14:58.57 | zaerath | And right now, my sources.list is all lenny, so it's not going to work. |
| 14:59.01 | babilen | And a system that is not halfway between lenny and squeeze |
| 14:59.03 | boston8372 | maybe you have residue from a previous package attempt |
| 14:59.07 | babilen | !not available |
| 14:59.07 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 14:59.11 | stew | zaerath: lenny was moved to archive.debian.org |
| 14:59.20 | babilen | !tell zaerath -about lenny sources.list |
| 14:59.26 | zaerath | Ah, thank you. :) |
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| 14:59.39 | stew | zaerath: change ftp.us.debian.org to archive.debian.org, get your system up to date, then follow chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes to upgrade to squeeze |
| 14:59.53 | zaerath | That is what I needed. Thanks guys. |
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| 15:00.19 | babilen | zaerath: Please configure your sources.list with for lenny and show us the output of the "not available" command. Can you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" now? |
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| 15:01.20 | zaerath | babilen: Configured sources.list and did an apt-get update. Here's the output of the command you requested. |
| 15:01.24 | zaerath | http://paste.debian.net/163139/ |
| 15:01.49 | zaerath | Still cannot do a dist-upgrade. Same error. |
| 15:02.47 | babilen | Does "aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" work on lenny? |
| 15:03.03 | babilen | I guess that you are halfway between lenny and squeeze in a horrible mish-mash |
| 15:03.30 | stew | Unknown command "versions" |
| 15:03.34 | babilen | yeah |
| 15:03.49 | babilen | I suspected as much but wasn't entirely sure :( |
| 15:04.02 | stew | aptitude search -F "%p %V" '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 15:04.02 | zaerath | No it yells at me. |
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| 15:04.24 | stew | oh, versions does more though |
| 15:04.29 | z3l | babilen: Ok, it works fine now, thank you. |
| 15:04.32 | bravvve22 | i have some trubles with ma nvidia 410m on squeeze amd64 i'v tried the glx packet,but it crached on start,can backport mirror help |
| 15:04.34 | babilen | zaerath: Try stew's command -- Unfortunately I have to leave soon(ish) and won't be able to talk you through this. |
| 15:04.43 | babilen | z3l: Yay :) |
| 15:04.45 | zaerath | stew: Your command works. Will pastebin it in a minute. |
| 15:04.56 | jordanm | bravvve22: yes, you will need the backported nvidia drivers for that card |
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| 15:05.13 | zaerath | stew: http://paste.debian.net/163140/ |
| 15:05.14 | babilen | z3l: And enjoy it ;) |
| 15:05.30 | zaerath | By the way, I shouldn't be "halfway in between squeeze and lenny" because I never did an upgrade or dist-upgrade while on squeeze repos. ;) |
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| 15:05.41 | z3l | babilen: I do, it is very smooth now. No lags at all. |
| 15:05.42 | bravvve22 | can give u me details,cause i don't know how |
| 15:06.47 | stew | zaerath: you have a bunch of security upgrades from squeeze |
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| 15:07.05 | zaerath | Oh shit... I know why. |
| 15:07.06 | stew | zaerath: so you must have done something to install packages with a squeeze repo (probably a security repo) |
| 15:07.23 | zaerath | I had this under my repos until earlier today... |
| 15:07.23 | zaerath | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 15:07.26 | zaerath | >_< |
| 15:07.37 | zaerath | Forgot I changed that. |
| 15:07.57 | nsadmin | zaerath, you probably want squeeze where stable was |
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| 15:08.08 | stew | "aptitude search '~i~Vsqueeze'" will find lots of them |
| 15:08.13 | nsadmin | then you're not surprised when something big happens |
| 15:08.19 | zaerath | Yeah... |
| 15:08.25 | zaerath | I'll have to fix that nsadmin. |
| 15:08.28 | stew | nsadmin: he wanted lenny not stable :) |
| 15:08.29 | zaerath | So, I guess my question now is. |
| 15:08.45 | zaerath | I'm okay with squeeze... I didn't know lenny was discontinued. |
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| 15:08.58 | nsadmin | oh, lenny not squeeze,,, you must already know lenny is end of life |
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| 15:09.05 | zaerath | I wait until the distro is out of date before I upgrade. I waited until etch was put into archive before I upgraded. |
| 15:09.08 | zaerath | :) |
| 15:09.18 | nsadmin | it's still available in its never-change-ever form |
| 15:09.22 | zaerath | Yeah, I know. |
| 15:09.30 | zaerath | I've switched my repos to archive now. |
| 15:10.17 | zaerath | Now I just need a .deb of fontconfig-config 2.6.0-3 |
| 15:10.25 | zaerath | If someone can help point me where I can download it, I'd love you forever. |
| 15:10.26 | nsadmin | could you say more about what has you wanting lenny right now |
| 15:10.33 | zaerath | nsadmin: Nothing now, sir. |
| 15:10.42 | zaerath | I only wanted Lenny until I found out it was EOL'd |
| 15:10.47 | zaerath | I'm fine with going to squeeze. |
| 15:11.24 | stew | zaerath: apt-get install fintconfig-config=2.6.0-3 |
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| 15:11.44 | stew | or aptitude, which might be better with your hairy dependency problems |
| 15:11.50 | nsadmin | yeah, they ended it in feb, then did a few more security updates until I think last week of march |
| 15:11.58 | nsadmin | then killed it dead |
| 15:12.07 | zaerath | stew: Whoo, that fixed it. |
| 15:12.16 | zaerath | My system is now upgrading to all of the latest lenny packages. |
| 15:12.20 | zaerath | Thanks so much. :) |
| 15:12.34 | zaerath | After that I'll dist-upgrade to squeeze. |
| 15:12.48 | stew | don't just "dist-upgrade" to squeeze, follow chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 15:12.53 | nsadmin | you may wish to read the squeeze release notes |
| 15:13.17 | zaerath | Doing that now, actually. |
| 15:13.19 | zaerath | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#backup |
| 15:13.20 | zaerath | :) |
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| 15:20.57 | A_I_ | hi there |
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| 15:23.52 | esto | how can i add an environment value at boot time available to all processes ? |
| 15:24.03 | A_I_ | I have a problem with mysql and cacti package installation |
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| 15:24.12 | somiaj | esto: why do you need to do this? |
| 15:24.32 | A_I_ | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO). |
| 15:24.33 | esto | a couple of daemons |
| 15:24.44 | esto | requieres ir |
| 15:24.46 | esto | t |
| 15:24.47 | A_I_ | this is what I get when I run 'apt-get install cacti' |
| 15:24.47 | somiaj | esto: env variables are for the shell, so you cannot just have them defined 'for all processes |
| 15:25.01 | somiaj | esto: so modify the init.d script for those daemons and provide the variables in the script. |
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| 15:27.56 | A_I_ | is there any way to tell cacti package : 1) to use debian-sys-maint and its password stored in debian.cnf 2) to give root's password to package via a file like debian.cnf ? |
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| 15:28.40 | somiaj | esto: if they are env variables you want for your user shell, you can add them to your $HOME/.bashrc file, but if you want them available to the deamon when it is launched by an init.d script, you need to modify the launching script |
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| 15:28.48 | dagerik | Which one to choose from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 15:29.07 | somiaj | dagerik: do you have a decent internet connenction on the machine you want to install debian on? |
| 15:29.12 | dagerik | yeah |
| 15:29.39 | somiaj | dagerik: I would suggest using the 'netinstall' as it only contains a base system and the rest can be installed from the net |
| 15:29.47 | dagerik | I had problems creating a bootable usb, so I need to try another iso |
| 15:29.53 | somiaj | dagerik: you could use cd1 as an alternative, but the netinstall will work |
| 15:30.06 | dagerik | why are there so many CDs? |
| 15:30.25 | somiaj | dagerik: cd1 and the netinstall iso are hybrid images, just 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' and it will be on your usb (note sdX is your usb device and it will erase all data on it) |
| 15:30.49 | somiaj | dagerik: debian has thousands of packages |
| 15:30.57 | dagerik | somiaj: I am using ubuntus startup disk creator |
| 15:31.23 | somiaj | dagerik: they don't fit on one cd. If you wanted for an ofline system you can download all the packages for debian on cd. This is just an option, though most can just use the internet |
| 15:31.32 | somiaj | dagerik: don't. Just copy the image onto your usbdrive |
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| 15:31.50 | somiaj | (again this will destroy data, if you want to save data on the usb drive you need to do special stuff) |
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| 15:32.17 | dagerik | I am confused. Can I just take debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso and copy in onto a usb and it will be bootable? |
| 15:32.41 | somiaj | correct |
| 15:32.42 | stew | dagerik: yes |
| 15:32.50 | somiaj | but you can only do that with cd1 (cd2 and onward are not bootable) |
| 15:32.55 | sanitypassing | Hi, is there an easy way to have an application start up on login? |
| 15:32.58 | somiaj | though again you may just want to use the netinstaller. |
| 15:33.23 | dagerik | How can I make sure /dev/sdb really is my usb and not something else? |
| 15:33.23 | somiaj | sanitypassing: what application? What DE/WM or do you want it to run when you login to a shell? |
| 15:33.41 | sanitypassing | somiaj: Tranmission, GNOME2. |
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| 15:35.09 | somiaj | I don't know that package, but if it is an x application look into 'gnome startup porgrams' in google |
| 15:35.27 | sanitypassing | Ok, cool. Thanks. :) |
| 15:35.39 | somiaj | I don't use gnome, but I belive you have to put a simple file in ~/.config/freedesktop/startup -- well that is not the correct place, but the basic idea |
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| 15:36.39 | sanitypassing | heh, it looks like there is an option under System -> Preferences. |
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| 15:37.08 | somiaj | figures, its wannabe windows |
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| 15:37.22 | sanitypassing | Yep. |
| 15:37.39 | sanitypassing | but defintely better than Windows. :) |
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| 15:43.02 | dagerik | I am now logged in to my pc running ubuntu. How can I reinstall debian instead when I am logged in here? |
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| 15:48.06 | grobda24 | Hello. I'm having trouble adding debian testing repository. I just want a few packages from it. Update manager wants to upgrade everything (not just the dependencies for the packages I want) to the latest testing versions. |
| 15:48.44 | grobda24 | Is there a way to pull packages from testing with their dependencies but without upgrading everything ? |
| 15:49.00 | stew | grobda24: we'd strongly discourage you from trying to mix binary packages from a released version and a non-released version. use backports instaead: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 15:50.00 | grobda24 | stew, ah. Now I know what "backport" means. Cheers :) |
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| 15:51.43 | keith4 | I know lenny has moved to archive.debian.org, but is there an archive of lenny-backports anywhere? |
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| 15:52.43 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny-backports |
| 15:52.43 | dpkg | Backported packages for Debian Lenny/5.0 were removed from <debian-backports> on 2012-03-25. They were archived on archive.debian.org. A sample sources.list line is: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Security support for lenny-backports ended on 2012-02-06, ask me about <squeeze>. |
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| 16:02.38 | Chriswaterguy | Howdy - anything I should beware of with AMD dual core? I'm thinking about buying an HP laptop with AMD A4-3305M |
| 16:03.23 | Iridos | battery life? |
| 16:03.32 | jordanm | CPU support is never anything to worry about for compatibility |
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| 16:03.46 | jordanm | graphics and wireless is what has potential to not work properly |
| 16:03.47 | Iridos | the other components, though, are |
| 16:03.58 | Iridos | and SD card reader |
| 16:04.11 | jordanm | I never use mine anyways |
| 16:04.16 | Iridos | my laptop is now 8 years old and there was never any support for the bloody card reader |
| 16:04.21 | Iridos | so do I |
| 16:04.24 | Iridos | not out of choice |
| 16:04.42 | Iridos | and... /o\ bluetooth, I guess |
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| 16:06.24 | Chriswaterguy | ok - so I should figure out what the wireless and graphics cards are? (Always find it hard to dig up that info) |
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| 16:07.26 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, try lspci -nn |
| 16:07.36 | Iridos | dpkg, linuxlaptop |
| 16:07.37 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 16:08.22 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, what os are you running right now, and what did you want to do |
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| 16:08.55 | Chriswaterguy | that's great, thanks. |
| 16:09.06 | jbrks | I need help with ssh, can someone help me? |
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| 16:09.47 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin, I'm looking at buying an HP G6-1310AX - has an AMD dual core A4-3305M |
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| 16:10.21 | nsadmin | oh, yeah, I ended up scrolling to find all that |
| 16:10.30 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 16:10.55 | nsadmin | you might get something that has an atheros wireless chipset |
| 16:10.58 | jordanm | !tell jbrks about anyone |
| 16:11.05 | nsadmin | those seem to be good |
| 16:11.10 | nsadmin | and supported |
| 16:11.58 | nsadmin | one thing about laptops, lots of times they have pcmica and/or cardbus slots... make sure you get them if you want them |
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| 16:12.52 | Chriswaterguy | ok... not sure about atheros - don't have a lot of range to choose from - I'm in a small city (Darwin) and need to buy tomorrow if possible. (Lost my old machine :-/) |
| 16:13.18 | johnfg | does the grub2 in squeeze and wheezy have any problems booting from an ext4 /boot partition? |
| 16:13.21 | Chriswaterguy | My impression is that wifi in Linux has improved enormously since the bad old days of 2008 |
| 16:13.47 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, get a live cd and boot the potential machine from it, and run the lspci |
| 16:14.16 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: was thinking about that... not sure if the shop assistant will let me do that. |
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| 16:14.30 | Chriswaterguy | they might think I'm a terrorist and call security ;-) |
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| 16:14.47 | jpinx | terrorists in Darwin ? |
| 16:14.51 | Chriswaterguy | they more likely would if I was in Indonesia, where I was last year. |
| 16:15.05 | Chriswaterguy | paranoid people everywhere, jpinx - watch out for them ;-) |
| 16:15.08 | nsadmin | why would they think that? :P |
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| 16:16.13 | Chriswaterguy | to be honest, I'd be a bit suspicious of someone wanting to slip a disk into a laptop I was selling. Especially if I hadn't heard of a Linux LiveCD. But I can try them. |
| 16:16.30 | jpinx | Chriswaterguy: I've managed to strap debian to various older laptops and it works ;) Don't be too paranoid |
| 16:16.59 | Chriswaterguy | jpinx - I meant the shop assistant might be paranoid if I try to run a LiveCD... |
| 16:17.06 | nsadmin | tell him you'd like to verify the machine will boot from a cd |
| 16:17.21 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin good idea |
| 16:17.46 | jpinx | Chriswaterguy: make a commercial-looking lable for the CD - saying something like "Official Test CD" ;) |
| 16:18.03 | jpinx | label.. even |
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| 16:18.37 | nsadmin | even evil label? |
| 16:18.52 | dagerik | When I try to burn debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso onto a dvd, U get SCSI error on write(3712,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 4 "Drive error", ASC 09 ASCQ 90. Problem? |
| 16:19.17 | jbrks | I'll ask publicly, whoever wants to test my ssh prompt because I can't test it from the outside can pm me instead of harrasing me publicly.. (because i cant test it from the wan point).. I know there are really good people out here. I helped someone test this so I thought i might ask the same..(if you have nothing good to say then don't insult me. Thanks.) |
| 16:19.42 | Chriswaterguy | :-) |
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| 16:20.29 | jgalt | abrotman: thanks for the help yesterday - after running most of the night, still going black screen on boot but now only errors with having the wrong kernel installed and virtual box after running aptitude. |
| 16:20.48 | abrotman | jgalt: good to hear |
| 16:21.06 | abrotman | jgalt: did you check to make sure you have the kernel meta package installed, and you're fully up to date? |
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| 16:23.19 | jgalt | abrotman: aparently my atom hardware does not support the new extended 686 memory model. trying to remember what it's called.... |
| 16:23.37 | jgalt | abrotman: kernel meta package? |
| 16:23.57 | nsadmin | it might pull in some other needed package |
| 16:24.11 | nsadmin | or pull in necessary updates |
| 16:24.17 | stew | PAE? |
| 16:24.49 | nsadmin | can you run amd64 on an atom? |
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| 16:26.02 | johnfg | stew, What or who is that to? Someone getting an error about not being able to boot because of a non-pae cpu? |
| 16:26.21 | jgalt | msg dpkg kernel meta package |
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| 16:26.39 | educr0w | I can run startx with root (X+openbox) and everything is perfect, I run startx with an user and loads fine and then waiting for X server to shut down and finish, how can I try to fix that?? |
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| 16:27.06 | stew | johnfg: that was my guess for jgalt's "trying to remember what it's called" |
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| 16:27.34 | stew | educr0w: is your .xinitrc terminating? |
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| 16:28.56 | educr0w | stew, I have exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch openbox-session |
| 16:29.43 | johnfg | stew, Oh, ok. I've never had that come up with debian or any of it's clones. However, I'm pretty sure none of the redhat & clones from 6.0 and onward include any longer support for non-pae cpus. |
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| 16:30.07 | stew | educr0w: so my guess is that "ck-launch-session dbus-launch openbox-session" terminates prematurely |
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| 16:30.25 | johnfg | 5.7 & 5.8 do, but they've chosen not to support it any longer for 6 and onward I guess. |
| 16:30.41 | educr0w | yes, but I don't get any error, consolekit and dbus are installed |
| 16:30.52 | johnfg | So, can squeeze boot from an ext4 /boot partition? |
| 16:30.53 | abrotman | jgalt: what is your current uname -r ? |
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| 16:30.56 | jgalt | stew: yea pae, thanks |
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| 16:31.55 | educr0w | stew, I just discovered that dbus-launch doesn't exists, before reinstalling debian I had dbus-launch, it's weird |
| 16:32.11 | abrotman | jgalt: all squared away ? |
| 16:32.55 | jgalt | abrotman: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (yup aptitude complains that the pae kernel is not supported by my hardware...) |
| 16:33.23 | x0x | hey, how I can re-make .iso Debian with my simple scripts in other directory? |
| 16:33.29 | jbrks | johnfg, i believe grub2 now supports ext4 |
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| 16:33.33 | x0x | I try with: genisoimage -o debian-mystuff.iso -r -J -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat cd |
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| 16:34.03 | abrotman | jgalt: how much RAM do you have ? |
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| 16:34.09 | abrotman | !tell x0x about custom netinst |
| 16:34.11 | jgalt | abrotman: not quite yet, still blackscreen shortly after boot unless I boot to single: init=/bin/bash |
| 16:34.18 | gnugr | jgalt:get linux-image-3.2.0-2-486 though |
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| 16:34.29 | jgalt | abrotman: 2G |
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| 16:35.00 | deed02392 | Could some very clever linux person answer my question about lazy dismounting? http://superuser.com/questions/412109/lazy-umount-or-unmounting-a-busy-disk-in-linux |
| 16:35.05 | johnfg | So seeing that kernel with pae, is this something bad to look forward to in future releases of debian? No longer support for non-pae? |
| 16:35.37 | abrotman | jgalt: you can use the -486 if it's still there |
| 16:35.49 | jgalt | abrotman: it's an asus eee 1005PE |
| 16:35.54 | abrotman | not sure why it wouldn't be supported |
| 16:36.00 | abrotman | jgalt: okay .. and what? |
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| 16:36.24 | abrotman | jgalt: doe sthe -686-pae not install? or not run ? or both ? |
| 16:36.35 | Iridos | johnfg, yes, using grub-pc (grub2), but not with grub legacy (grub1) see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511121 |
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| 16:36.43 | jbrks | hey can someone tell me if they get an ssh prompt from my wan point? (it works locally, and cant test port forwarding from the inside) |
| 16:36.48 | TyT | Hi |
| 16:36.52 | stew | johnfg: debian has had kernels with pae support for several releases now, there is no reason to believe that it means the end of support for non-pae |
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| 16:37.30 | TyT | my compute has intel core 3 |
| 16:37.41 | TyT | my ram is 4.0 |
| 16:38.01 | abrotman | waits for more |
| 16:38.04 | TyT | i need the newest version of debian |
| 16:38.10 | stew | my mustang is 5.0 |
| 16:38.24 | johnfg | stew, Ok, good, although I'll be getting a system with a more up-to-date cpu soon (I hope). |
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| 16:38.43 | TyT | i want it 64 bit |
| 16:39.03 | stew | TyT: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" and you want the "amd64" version |
| 16:39.05 | abrotman | TyT: go to debian.org look for an amd64 netinst for squeeze |
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| 16:39.32 | abrotman | !nopony stew |
| 16:39.32 | dpkg | stew: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
| 16:39.42 | stew | :( |
| 16:39.48 | TyT | aha thanks |
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| 16:40.17 | TyT | how can i install it without DVD |
| 16:40.54 | stew | TyT: you can download a "small cd" image (should be about 150mb) and install that from a cd or usb drive |
| 16:41.13 | jgalt | abrotman: 686-pae installed and apears to be running now but when running aptitude I got messages that pae was not supported by my hardware and it finished with 'the following errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-686 linux-image-2.6-686 virtualbox-dkms virtualbox-ose-dkms' |
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| 16:41.24 | TyT | i mean without CD or DVD or USB |
| 16:41.54 | gnugr | jgalt:i have had the same prob but i solve it by adding in /etc/default/grub "acpi=off" like this "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=off" |
| 16:42.11 | stew | TyT: how about PXE? |
| 16:42.36 | TyT | ok im gonna try it |
| 16:42.38 | gnugr | jgalt:you can try it and test it if you can boot with -i686 kernel |
| 16:43.19 | TyT | do u have the link |
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| 16:43.42 | TyT | gnugr, do u have the link of PXE |
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| 16:44.33 | stew | TyT: debian.org / getting debian / small installation image / network boot |
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| 16:45.38 | MK` | Hi! :D |
| 16:45.40 | gnugr | TyT:no, i foud it by my self by testing how to be able to boot with that -pae extention |
| 16:46.03 | MK` | Someone have some idea for "error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.7:"? |
| 16:46.04 | TyT | aha |
| 16:46.21 | jgalt | gnugr: testing now - should I replace or remove acpi_osi=Linux when adding acpi=off |
| 16:46.41 | deed02392 | hi all, I've got an iPod that's got an ext3 partition on it, I can see it on my router which mount it to share, but on my desktop I only see one large NTFS partition which can't be correct. Why is this? |
| 16:46.45 | stew | MK`: what command gave you that error? |
| 16:46.55 | MK` | start a program |
| 16:47.03 | MK` | and this one require this lib |
| 16:47.05 | stew | what is "start"? |
| 16:47.06 | MK` | :\ |
| 16:47.09 | MK` | run |
| 16:47.13 | stew | what? |
| 16:47.16 | MK` | pftp |
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| 16:47.30 | gnugr | jgalt: yes, try it one time without "acpi_osi=Linux" |
| 16:47.49 | deed02392 | actually, now I am looking at my router in SSH I see this: /dev/sda1 1 30019 156093788 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 16:47.49 | stew | MK`: what command gave you that error? |
| 16:47.53 | deed02392 | that is my fdisk -l output |
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| 16:47.57 | MK` | ./pftp |
| 16:48.04 | deed02392 | but it is ext3... |
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| 16:48.23 | gnugr | jgalt:use only this "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=off" |
| 16:48.26 | stew | MK`: where did you get that? you probably need to recompile it against the libssl-dev from your version of debian |
| 16:48.35 | stew | MK`: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:48.44 | MK` | 6.0 |
| 16:48.48 | MK` | AMD64 |
| 16:48.50 | MK` | :) |
| 16:49.00 | jbrks | deed02392, ssh is good stuff |
| 16:49.05 | stew | judd: versions libssl0.9.7 |
| 16:49.06 | judd | No package named 'libssl0.9.7' was found in i386. |
| 16:49.15 | deed02392 | what do you mean jbrks ? |
| 16:49.30 | stew | MK`: 0.9.7 is obsolete in favor of 0.9.8 or 1.0.0, you should recompile pftp |
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| 16:49.42 | MK` | i dont have a source |
| 16:49.51 | deed02392 | on my router I get this from dmesg, the first mention of the fs is: |
| 16:49.52 | deed02392 | EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal |
| 16:49.52 | deed02392 | EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 16:50.38 | stew | MK`: its not free software? |
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| 16:51.23 | MK` | yes but i need to fix this requirment |
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| 16:51.47 | jbrks | deed02392, you trying to make a new partition on your ipod? |
| 16:51.56 | deed02392 | But on my desktop messages stop after it says attached SCSI removable disk |
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| 16:52.14 | deed02392 | jbrks, I formatted it with ext3 a few weeks ago and it's got about 140 gig of stuff on it now |
| 16:52.28 | deed02392 | I'm trying to put it in my PC so I can resize the partition and add a new one at the end of the disk to use for optware on my router |
| 16:52.29 | abrotman | jgalt: i'm curious what generates that message |
| 16:52.48 | deed02392 | but I can't seem to mount it on my squeeze laptop |
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| 16:53.09 | deed02392 | my router somehow 'automounts' it |
| 16:53.15 | stew | MK`: the best way to fix it is to recompile it against 0.9.8 |
| 16:53.27 | deed02392 | the only different messages on the router to my laptop are "kjournald starting." then the two lines i pasted up there |
| 16:53.49 | MK` | stew, another way? |
| 16:54.19 | jbrks | deed02392, you got my pm? |
| 16:54.26 | deed02392 | ah yes sorry i missed it |
| 16:54.38 | stew | MK`: install the buggy / security vulnerable / unsupported 0.9.7 from an ancient version of debian |
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| 16:55.12 | jgalt | abrotman: which message? |
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| 16:55.29 | MK` | how i can install 0.9.7? |
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| 16:56.13 | jgalt | gnugr: that seems to have worked, at least partially, it's at least booting all the way to a console login :) |
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| 16:56.47 | gnugr | jgalt:works for me fine so far |
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| 16:59.42 | dagerik | Will installing adblock make firefox faster? running debian on old pc. |
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| 17:01.56 | jgalt | the network interfaces are up, how can I associate wifi with an access point via cmd line? (ap uses wep) |
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| 17:02.12 | Iridos | dagerik, well... depends? Not so many ads to load... flashblock is probably just as/more useful |
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| 17:02.47 | dagerik | Iridos: fresh debian install here. So no flash installed here. Better keep it that way? youtube videos load fine with html5 I think |
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| 17:03.23 | Iridos | dagerik, if you can do without... I'd say yes... flash ads and web-bugs are among the more annoying ones |
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| 17:03.42 | Iridos | actually html5-ads will be even more annoying as there's no way to switch that off yet |
| 17:04.00 | dagerik | the html5 video from youtube are a bit slugish, can this be imroved somehow? |
| 17:04.18 | Iridos | heh... try flash? |
| 17:04.19 | Iridos | :D |
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| 17:04.30 | dagerik | probably cpu bottlenech though, but maybe some othe ways to speed up debian? |
| 17:04.33 | Iridos | else, I don't see how |
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| 17:04.52 | ralf__ | dagerik: with firebug you can check what takes long to load a page (compare with and without adblock) | https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/firebug/ |
| 17:05.36 | dagerik | How can I install flash, and also a flash plugin for firefox? |
| 17:06.38 | stew | ugh |
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| 17:07.20 | MK` | stew, im alone |
| 17:08.00 | gnugr | dagerik:check with "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" and 'flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound" then install them |
| 17:08.52 | dagerik | no wait, it is actually Gnash that is playing youtube videos |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | jgalt: the one about it not being capatible with your hardware |
| 17:09.09 | abrotman | jgalt: i wonder what determines that |
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| 17:09.41 | dagerik | sudo ls doesnt work out of the box. I have to add my user to sudoers? |
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| 17:10.29 | gnugr | dageril:you don't need sudo, use apt-get or aptitude |
| 17:10.39 | gnugr | dagerik* |
| 17:11.04 | dagerik | I get E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 17:11.05 | peterrooney | dagerik: I should hope so; there are no sane default user configurations for sudo |
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| 17:11.39 | gnugr | dagerik:work as root always |
| 17:12.34 | dagerik | so in debian when I do admin stuff, I always go: su root, and then do my stuff? |
| 17:13.12 | ralf__ | hm, maybe you should read that debian handbook? |
| 17:14.02 | jbrks | can someone test the wan side of my network? |
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| 17:14.27 | jbrks | ralf__, there's a handbook? |
| 17:14.28 | gnugr | dagerik:yes, but maybe you have in use dpkg with other app and aptitude complains |
| 17:14.57 | dagerik | How can I disable Gnash in a webbrowser? |
| 17:15.01 | dagerik | e.g. firefox |
| 17:15.19 | jbrks | dagerik, you can uninstall it and install the adobe one (apt-cache search flash) |
| 17:15.23 | gnugr | why to disable? |
| 17:15.31 | dagerik | gnugr: wanna check html5 video from youtube |
| 17:15.32 | jbrks | gnugr, because it sux? |
| 17:15.35 | peterrooney | dagerik: it's generally preferred. /msg dpkg sudo path - sudo isn't normally needed in a one-admin system. |
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| 17:16.13 | dagerik | jbrks: Seems akward to uninstall when I just want to disable it temporarily |
| 17:16.21 | stew | jbrks: it sux, but you are telling him to install adobe flash? |
| 17:16.33 | ralf__ | jbrks: hm, i know only the german "edition" - maybe there is no english version: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/ |
| 17:16.35 | gnugr | well, i use both gnash does not bother me at all |
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| 17:17.44 | dagerik | How can I change the flashplayer used in a webbrowser? |
| 17:18.00 | jbrks | ralf__, maybe they dont call it a handbook but there's pretty good content from the main site |
| 17:18.08 | FDFlock | gnugr: Why to disable gnash? because it's _absolutely useless_, every plugin has the change to slow down/crash Firefox (not the latter anymore) and is bound to remain useless |
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| 17:18.32 | FDFlock | The world does not need Flash; much less a bad clone of it |
| 17:18.38 | FDFlock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.57 | dagerik | FDFlock: Can you help me disable gnash in firefox? :) |
| 17:19.05 | jbrks | dagerik, you can disable it via firefox, go to the Tools menu, either add-ons or plugins, and you should be able to disable it |
| 17:19.06 | gnugr | dagerik:did you get "flashplugin-nonfree"? |
| 17:19.12 | FDFlock | dagerik: I'd uninstall it completely |
| 17:19.21 | wad | FDFlock, I like to say it like this: </rant> |
| 17:19.43 | dagerik | FDFlock: I just need to temporarily see if the html5 video runs better than with gnash |
| 17:19.51 | FDFlock | dagerik: But you can always disable it using Fx options |
| 17:19.55 | dagerik | (on youtube) |
| 17:20.10 | FDFlock | dagerik: Give me a moment |
| 17:20.14 | FDFlock | dagerik: Fx version? |
| 17:20.28 | FDFlock | wad: Don't make me start another rant about XML! |
| 17:20.35 | FDFlock | wad: ;) |
| 17:20.40 | wad | That was SGML.... |
| 17:20.49 | FDFlock | isn't that a subsset? :P |
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| 17:21.11 | wad | FDFlock, you got it backwards. HTML and XML are subsets of SGML. |
| 17:21.29 | wad | (unless my memory has big holes, which does happen occasionally.) |
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| 17:22.17 | dagerik | is apt-cache search <program> the way to search for programs to install? |
| 17:22.17 | wad | just checked, and that is correct. |
| 17:22.28 | FDFlock | XHTML is definitely a subset of XML; I didn't even know (or care that much!) about SGML, so thanks for the comment! |
| 17:22.57 | FDFlock | just assumed that most *ML languages are XML subsets |
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| 17:23.13 | mashed | FDFlock is wrong |
| 17:23.17 | mashed | :p |
| 17:23.24 | FDFlock | dagerik: Tools->addons->plugins->disable it |
| 17:23.51 | dagerik | I am amazed at how hard it is to install firefox |
| 17:24.07 | FDFlock | Aren't you using Iceweasel? |
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| 17:24.19 | wad | question: What's the right way to run a custom script at shutdown? Should I stick it into /etc/init.d/rc something? |
| 17:24.32 | mashed | just use iceweasel backports see mozilla.debian.org |
| 17:24.38 | wad | I want to trigger the shutdown of a virtualbox VM. |
| 17:24.41 | mashed | mozilla.debian.nwt i mean |
| 17:24.45 | mashed | ahh net |
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| 17:24.55 | FDFlock | I'm amazed as well by Debian's revengeful policy against Firefox. |
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| 17:25.05 | dagerik | FDFlock: I want to use firefox |
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| 17:25.26 | dagerik | apt-get install firefox fails, and apt-cache search firefox gives nothing useful :( |
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| 17:25.32 | mashed | its because the branding and the name dont fall under open licenses |
| 17:25.43 | FDFlock | dagerik: I want it as well, but settled to Iceweasel; you can install Iceweasel 11 quite easily |
| 17:25.46 | gnugr | dagerik:iceweasel=firefox |
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| 17:25.50 | FDFlock | even on Squeeze |
| 17:26.00 | FDFlock | gnugr: Not really |
| 17:26.02 | zaerath | God this Pentium 4 system is taking so long to upgrade to Squeeze... |
| 17:26.15 | somiaj | deed02392: iceweasel is firefox. Mozilla ust won't let debian use their trademarked name. |
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| 17:26.26 | dagerik | gnugr: I dont understand what you mean with iceweasel=firefox |
| 17:26.28 | wad | zaerath, upgrade it to Windows ME. |
| 17:26.35 | somiaj | dagerik: ^^ |
| 17:26.35 | wad | ducks |
| 17:26.38 | somiaj | deed02392: sorry |
| 17:26.38 | zaerath | wad: Ha. That's an upgrade from nothing. :P |
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| 17:26.50 | somiaj | dagerik: same program, different name and branding |
| 17:27.10 | FDFlock | somiaj: inaccurate; Mozilla didn't want their product misrepresented by Debian's horribly patched and unstable version |
| 17:27.12 | deed02392 | why didn't they call it 'notfirefox' |
| 17:27.22 | BtbN | cause it contains firefox. |
| 17:27.35 | stew | FDFlock: that's just flamebait |
| 17:27.46 | dagerik | I sure hope I can use firefox syns in iceweasel. Need to sync my form logins |
| 17:27.50 | dagerik | *sync |
| 17:27.51 | deed02392 | lol |
| 17:27.53 | stew | FDFlock: no matter what patches we add to it, we are not allowed to call it firefox |
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| 17:27.55 | deed02392 | contains a trademarked word |
| 17:28.01 | zaerath | People will never let Debian live down the OpenSSL debacle... |
| 17:28.17 | FDFlock | stew: It's stil true; I was using the Debian-derived Firefox back then and it was horribly unstable and buggy |
| 17:28.25 | somiaj | FDFlock: I didn't state the reason why they won't let us use their trademarks. |
| 17:28.53 | zaerath | wad, you think you needed to duck? |
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| 17:29.04 | zaerath | I use Arch Linux for everything except my servers. |
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| 17:29.05 | zaerath | ducks |
| 17:29.08 | FDFlock | somiaj: OK, but they had a pretty good reason IMO. I apologise for the off-topic, we may continue @the offtopic channel if you want |
| 17:29.13 | wad | nice! |
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| 17:29.48 | dagerik | Jesus christ how hard can it be to disable gnash. There are no gnash listed under Tools->extensions |
| 17:30.11 | stew | dagerik: its a plug-in, not an extension |
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| 17:30.32 | dagerik | oh, I was using the "web browser" and not iceweasel |
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| 17:30.49 | gnugr | dgarik:you can purge gnash |
| 17:30.59 | somiaj | FDFlock: I don't really care to, I am just stating the result. Yes I do agree some debian dev dont play nicely with upstream, but most do. |
| 17:31.16 | stew | doesn't the debian dev work for mozilla? |
| 17:31.36 | gnugr | they do |
| 17:31.43 | jelly-home | stew: he works but does not play |
| 17:31.54 | stew | oh, my mistake |
| 17:32.11 | dagerik | iceweasel didnt play html5 video from youtube. How can I make iceweasel html5 complient? |
| 17:32.12 | somiaj | well debian has to have the ability to add security patches to the version in stable...which I thought were the issue lies. |
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| 17:32.30 | newbie|5 | Hi there! I see in Sytem->Preferences item "Remote Desktop". What protocol is it uses? Is it remote desktop standard for Gnome or what is it? |
| 17:32.34 | somiaj | dagerik: what version of iceweasel? If you are running squeeze you may need a newer version from mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:32.37 | stew | yes, they don't want us to fix old versions, but we think that not fixing security problems in stable is a disservice to our users |
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| 17:33.01 | dagerik | somiaj: I an running squeeze. And iceweasel is 3.5.16 |
| 17:33.16 | zaerath | newbie|5: It's VNC. |
| 17:33.30 | mashed | dagerik: for the third time go to http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:33.31 | newbie|5 | zaerath: Thanks a lot for answer |
| 17:33.37 | zaerath | newbie|5: No problem. |
| 17:33.38 | gnugr | dagerik: you can get backports and get iceweasel 10.0.3 |
| 17:34.08 | somiaj | dagerik: then you will have to get a newer version from mozilla.debian.net (follow the instructions there) |
| 17:34.25 | somiaj | gnugr: not exctally, it is not apart of squeeze-backports. |
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| 17:35.01 | jbrks | dagerik, did you try disable the gnash plugin and adobe flash plugin? |
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| 17:35.21 | dagerik | jbrks: Yes but iceweasel apparently does not support html5 |
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| 17:35.40 | gnugr | somiaj:hm i was sure that exists |
| 17:35.44 | stew | dagerik: it does |
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| 17:36.12 | zaerath | It most certainly does dagerik. |
| 17:36.14 | somiaj | gnugr: it does, but it comes from mozilla.debian.net (not from squeeze-backports) |
| 17:36.18 | jbrks | dagerik, type "about:plugins" in the url.. that'll tell you the active plugins |
| 17:36.23 | zaerath | It's based on the same code as Firefox, and Firefox has had HTML5 support for a long time. |
| 17:36.30 | somiaj | ,versions iceweasel |
| 17:36.31 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-13; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-13; sid: 10.0.3esr-3; wheezy: 10.0.3esr-3; experimental: 11.0-4 |
| 17:36.34 | jbrks | dagerik, also of course restart the browser after disabling a plugin to be sure its disabled |
| 17:36.35 | stew | i mean, there is no browser in the world that supports all of html5. of those that support html5 iceweasel does a relatively decent job, its got enough to support youtube |
| 17:36.59 | zaerath | Wow, iceweasel's versions make way more sense than Firefox's versions do... |
| 17:37.13 | somiaj | gnugr: it would have been listed in that list if it was in squeeze-backports -- though this is mostly just the repo you have to add to sources.list, it is from the debian community but not 'offically debian' if that matters. |
| 17:37.13 | zaerath | Unless Iceweasel is still based off Firefox 3.5 |
| 17:37.25 | stew | zaerath: they are the same numbers as firefox |
| 17:37.35 | zaerath | stew: Firefox is @ 11 now. |
| 17:37.36 | dagerik | wow the html5 video plays perfect, on contrary to gnash. Thanks! |
| 17:37.51 | gnugr | somiaj:yes, it would |
| 17:37.53 | stew | zaerath: yes, hence version iceweasel 11.0-4 in experimental |
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| 17:38.07 | somiaj | zaerath: the version in squeeze is 3.5 -- use mozilla.debian.net for the newer version (I tihnk you can get 10, not sure if they upgraded to 11 yet) |
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| 17:38.54 | zaerath | somiaj: I'm not interested in having the newest version of Firefox on my server, I was just checking if iceweasel was based off 3.5.. |
| 17:39.06 | zaerath | stew: But 11 is considered stable from Mozilla? Do the Debian devs disagree? |
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| 17:39.23 | stew | zaerath: debian currently is shipping iceweasel which is based off firefox 3.5, 10.0 and 11.0 |
| 17:39.30 | jelly-home | !tell zaerath about mdn |
| 17:39.30 | zaerath | stew: Gotcha. |
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| 17:39.44 | stew | zaerath: debian has a far different release schedule than firefox |
| 17:39.53 | somiaj | zaerath: debian stable is a frozen system. 3.5 was the version in debian at the time of the freeze and will be the version in squeeze because of this. |
| 17:40.07 | zaerath | stew: Yeah, very aware of that. |
| 17:40.09 | somiaj | sometime after squeeze froze firefox started to release version numbers one after another. |
| 17:40.24 | zaerath | somiaj: That makes sense. |
| 17:40.26 | somiaj | which is why the difference in versions looks so bad, mozilla changed their versioning system. |
| 17:40.31 | zaerath | Gotcha. |
| 17:40.36 | stew | zaerath: so if you are looking to try to determine what the iceweasel maintainer is currently labelling as stable, it is 10.0 |
| 17:40.39 | zaerath | I didn't know squeeze came out before 4. |
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| 17:41.18 | zaerath | I am behind the times in Debian land. |
| 17:41.24 | somiaj | zaerath: well the freeze happened about 6 months before squeeze came out, and debian always lags a bit on big projects like mozilla because of the work required to get it to work on all the arches supported. |
| 17:41.29 | dagerik | Why does going fullscreen causes the html5 video from youtube have 1 fps? |
| 17:41.31 | zaerath | Gotcha. |
| 17:41.34 | zaerath | Keep in mind I use Arch Linux as my DD, so I only touch Debian for my servers. |
| 17:41.39 | zaerath | I'm a little out of the loop. |
| 17:41.40 | mashed | zaerath: incase youve not noticed firefox have gone from 3-11 in about 7 months |
| 17:41.45 | zaerath | mashed: I did notice. |
| 17:41.46 | stew | looks like firefox 4 was released March 22, 2011, and debian squeeze was released in february 2011, but it was frozen for months before that |
| 17:41.49 | zaerath | I think it's retarded. |
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| 17:42.10 | jbrks | anybody knows what i can do to prevent my network card from going to sleep? (but the rest of the machine can) |
| 17:42.18 | somiaj | I think they wanted to be more like google-chrome and wanted to give the impression they to were undergoin active development |
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| 17:42.34 | mashed | zaerath: i think its actualy good. they are merging a few years of work finally. |
| 17:42.38 | zaerath | somiaj: They already gave that impression, but if they want to use a retarded versioning scheme, to each their own. |
| 17:42.49 | zaerath | mashed: No no, the amount of new lines of code is awesome. It's the version ||Update|| |
| 17:42.49 | zaerath | Current Status: |
| 17:42.49 | zaerath | Steps Taken: |
| 17:42.49 | zaerath | Next Steps: |
| 17:42.49 | zaerath | Current Business Impact: |
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| 17:42.52 | stew | i don't really care what numbers they use as long as they keep increasing |
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| 17:43.02 | zaerath | It's the version numbers I hate. |
| 17:43.14 | zaerath | Stupid macros.. |
| 17:44.38 | stew | really, they are just numbers |
| 17:44.49 | zaerath | -shrug- I suppose. |
| 17:45.01 | zaerath | it just feels like a numbers game stew |
| 17:45.14 | zaerath | "Look! 11 is out! Download it now! It's sooo much better than 10.0!" |
| 17:45.39 | peterrooney | I could be looking at version 40 by my birthday. |
| 17:45.40 | ralf__ | zaerath: well, it s*cks a bit, yes, bit its not that importend.. |
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| 17:46.06 | zaerath | Ok, so I was in here just in case my Squeeze upgrade went south. |
| 17:46.09 | zaerath | I'm getting this error now. |
| 17:46.15 | zaerath | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 17:46.30 | zaerath | I'll pastebin the full error. |
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| 17:47.11 | zaerath | http://paste.debian.net/163159/ |
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| 17:47.27 | somiaj | zaerath: upgrading lenny->squeeze? |
| 17:47.31 | zaerath | Yup! |
| 17:47.39 | stew | judd: versions dsc-statistics-collector |
| 17:47.40 | zaerath | Following Chapter 4 in the release notes. |
| 17:47.40 | judd | Package: dsc-statistics-collector on i386 -- sid: 201106061022-4; wheezy: 201106061022-4 |
| 17:47.41 | somiaj | zaerath: did you follow the instructions in /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:47.46 | zaerath | I am, yes. |
| 17:47.54 | stew | zaerath: you should direct some frustration at dsc-statistics-collector ^^ |
| 17:47.59 | somiaj | zaerath: have you rebooted onto the new 2.6.32 kernel just fine and odn't need that old 2.6.18 kernel anymore? |
| 17:48.14 | zaerath | I'm just doing the minimal install first... |
| 17:48.18 | zaerath | apt-get upgrade. |
| 17:48.26 | zaerath | Then I'll install the kernel manually due to the udev issue. |
| 17:48.27 | stew | their version numbers are in the hundreds of trillions |
| 17:48.29 | zaerath | Then I was going to reboot. |
| 17:48.33 | somiaj | I thought the instructions suggest you only upgrade the kernel/dpkg/apt/aptitude |
| 17:48.41 | zaerath | they say full "apt-get upgrade" then kernel. |
| 17:48.47 | somiaj | zaerath: ^^ then reboot. |
| 17:48.50 | zaerath | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade |
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| 17:49.01 | zaerath | Does udev get updated on a non-dist upgrade? |
| 17:49.19 | zaerath | If it does, my reboot might be borked. |
| 17:49.22 | somiaj | yes update it manually |
| 17:49.25 | stew | you are running 2.6.18 and upgrading to squeeze? |
| 17:49.32 | zaerath | Yup. |
| 17:49.35 | stew | zaerath: are you skipping lenny? |
| 17:49.38 | zaerath | I'm on lenny. |
| 17:49.40 | somiaj | no upgrade will not pull in udev. |
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| 17:49.47 | zaerath | Good thank you somiaj |
| 17:49.53 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 17:49.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.14-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 17:49.59 | somiaj | zaerath: what kernel are you running? 'uname -r' |
| 17:50.01 | karlpinc | zaerath: You upgrade udev and the kernel together. |
| 17:50.08 | zaerath | Previously stated, guys. |
| 17:50.11 | zaerath | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 17:50.17 | somiaj | that is not a lenny kernel, why are you running it? |
| 17:50.19 | stew | so you never finished the upgrade to lenny |
| 17:50.21 | zaerath | karlpinc: Yes, but I'm not even to that state yet. |
| 17:50.37 | zaerath | Err, how did I not finish the upgrade? |
| 17:50.39 | stew | 2.6.18 was the etch kernel |
| 17:50.47 | zaerath | Oh WOW, I know what hjappened. |
| 17:50.56 | zaerath | This system hasn't rebooted since I upgraded to lenny. |
| 17:51.02 | zaerath | Going to reboot it real quick. |
| 17:51.12 | zaerath | (upgraded to lenny..... 8 months ago?) |
| 17:51.21 | jelly-home | [... three hours later, zaerath comes back online] |
| 17:51.31 | zaerath | I would not be surprised. |
| 17:51.32 | zaerath | :) |
| 17:51.33 | zaerath | I have no confidence that this system will come back online. |
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| 17:51.51 | stew | so yeah, you are on step 4.6 of the lenny upgrade: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#newkernel |
| 17:51.54 | stew | :) |
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| 17:52.09 | zaerath | Good times. |
| 17:52.18 | zaerath | So, even funnier? |
| 17:52.25 | zaerath | This is my home webserver.... At my home in Florida. |
| 17:52.29 | zaerath | I live in North Carolina now. |
| 17:52.41 | stew | sounds like things are improving to me |
| 17:52.42 | zaerath | Super lols for the person I'm going to have to send to fix it when it doesn't reboot. |
| 17:53.00 | stew | 4.7 and 4.8 are "things to help prevent reboot failing" |
| 17:53.19 | zaerath | So, I'm not even sure how to un-fuck this thing now. :) |
| 17:53.27 | zaerath | Halfway on Lenny, halfway through an upgrade to Squeeze? |
| 17:53.28 | zaerath | Whoo boy. |
| 17:54.02 | zaerath | Oh my god it rebooted successfully? |
| 17:54.04 | zaerath | I love you Debian. |
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| 17:54.27 | zaerath | Before I upgrade to 3.30.... |
| 17:54.32 | zaerath | Can a P4 even run Linux 3.l0? |
| 17:54.41 | zaerath | I know they dropped support for super old CPUs... |
| 17:54.47 | zaerath | P4s aren't too old I hope. |
| 17:55.05 | mashed | P4 are still good |
| 17:55.13 | mashed | my home server is P4 |
| 17:55.27 | mashed | oh wait |
| 17:55.31 | mashed | v3 branch |
| 17:55.35 | mashed | no idea |
| 17:56.38 | zaerath | Blah. |
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| 17:56.58 | stew | zaerath: 486 is still supported |
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| 17:57.07 | zaerath | Awesome thanks. |
| 17:57.09 | zaerath | Yeah, so. |
| 17:57.17 | zaerath | update-initramfs is so mad at me running this ancient kernel. |
| 17:58.28 | zaerath | So guys. |
| 17:58.31 | zaerath | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.40 | zaerath | How can I tell it "nvm" on update-initramfs? |
| 17:58.44 | zaerath | It's not going to succeed. |
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| 17:59.29 | stew | which kernel isn't going to succeed? is it the one you are running? |
| 17:59.49 | zaerath | Yep. |
| 17:59.57 | zaerath | update-initramfs won't complete. |
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| 18:00.05 | zaerath | It keeps erroring out with the error that I pastebinned. |
| 18:00.12 | jelly-home | is... is udev even active on that machine |
| 18:00.13 | zaerath | http://paste.debian.net/163159/ |
| 18:00.22 | zaerath | Let me look. |
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| 18:00.31 | stew | zaerath: what kernel are you running? |
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| 18:00.47 | zaerath | Oooold |
| 18:00.51 | zaerath | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:01.03 | zaerath | I'm trying to get it onto the lenny kernel now. |
| 18:01.06 | stew | oh, i thought the reboot was going to get you to a newer kernel |
| 18:01.12 | zaerath | I thought so too. |
| 18:01.24 | zaerath | I guess this kernel was never updated. |
| 18:01.25 | somiaj | did you never install a new kernel when you upgraded |
| 18:01.34 | zaerath | I'm guessing not. |
| 18:01.45 | oasm | hello guys , i have installed google chrome on my squeeze and can't see icon in Applications > Internet section... how i can do visible it? thanks |
| 18:01.49 | somiaj | well I belive the old etch installer would only put the linux-image-2.6.18-foo package as opposed to the meta linux-image-2.6 package |
| 18:02.04 | zaerath | Ok |
| 18:02.11 | zaerath | Keep in mind, this system was originally sarge. |
| 18:02.14 | zaerath | It's been upgraded a lot. |
| 18:02.14 | somiaj | oasm: how did you install google chrome? |
| 18:02.30 | oasm | somiaj: from package |
| 18:02.42 | oasm | somiaj: it was visible before reboot |
| 18:02.49 | zaerath | So, how can I install my new kernel via apt-get if dpkg was interrupted? |
| 18:02.50 | gnugr | zaerath:did you still that kernel from museum? |
| 18:02.52 | somiaj | oasm: from a package supplied by google? Seems like it is their devs who didn't add the correct menu stuff. |
| 18:02.57 | zaerath | gnugr: I did indeed! |
| 18:03.10 | gnugr | giggles |
| 18:03.12 | somiaj | oasm: you may have to add a menu entry manually for this unoffical package. |
| 18:03.26 | oasm | somiaj: how i can do it? |
| 18:03.35 | somiaj | oasm: I don't know gnome (Guessing that is what you are using) to do this. |
| 18:03.40 | zaerath | Oh my god |
| 18:03.48 | oasm | yes im using gnome |
| 18:03.55 | zaerath | 2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2 |
| 18:04.00 | zaerath | Definitely etch. |
| 18:04.55 | somiaj | oasm: so go look at how to add custom gnome menu entries |
| 18:05.18 | somiaj | oasm: but first if you open a terminal can you run goggle-chrome directally by typing 'google-chrome' |
| 18:05.38 | oasm | somiaj: yes , it works from terminal |
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| 18:06.34 | somiaj | oasm: yea it is installed, just look at how to add a custom menu entry/laucher. I don't know how to do this in gnome but others may. google is a good place to search too |
| 18:07.00 | oasm | of course , thanks :-) |
| 18:07.41 | zaerath | Cool, the lenny kernel can be used for squeeze as well. |
| 18:08.36 | somiaj | not really, you aren't running squeeze yet, you need to do the udev upgrade... |
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| 18:11.09 | Mogget | Is Debian ramping up lately? I get the feeling there are more updates than normal these last three months. |
| 18:11.36 | somiaj | Mogget: updates to what? |
| 18:13.30 | nsadmin | Mogget, people are busy normally... jobs, family etc... it could be that more than usual are available this weekend to commit updates? |
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| 18:14.04 | somiaj | Mogget: squeeze gets updates as they are needed for security and/or bugs, as for untsable/testing they are always moving targets |
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| 18:15.03 | Mogget | Not today, or yesterday or even this week, over a longer period. And for sid i would expect a lot of updates all the time, but squeeze has been "worse" than normal. |
| 18:15.07 | zaerath | somiaj: Yeah, I'm working on that now. |
| 18:15.11 | Mogget | but this is just a notion from me. |
| 18:15.31 | zaerath | The Lenny kernel is .2.6.26... I installed 2.6.32 |
| 18:15.45 | somiaj | Mogget: check out the DSA mailing list, most squeeze updates come from that |
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| 18:16.37 | somiaj | Mogget: though realize during a point release, 6.0.3 to 6.0.4 there will be a lot more package because all the squeeze-updates get included into one pool for many people upgrading. though there wans't a point release recentally |
| 18:16.56 | stew | since updates to stable are really pushed through by a small handful of people it isn't a good indication of how debian as a whole is "moving" |
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| 18:18.12 | somiaj | Mogget: I'm on the DSA, and some weeks are worse than others for number of security updates. Could also be the security updates effected packgaes you actually use. |
| 18:19.05 | Mogget | yeah, I was thinking that the exact combo of packages on the machine I use has had updates lately. |
| 18:19.48 | Mogget | to be honest I am just terrified. i don't want Debian to go towards a system like Ubuntu or Mint etc. To much is happening to much of the time. |
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| 18:20.06 | Mogget | Ubuntu and Mint was an extreme, but you understand what i mean |
| 18:20.10 | Mogget | hopefully. |
| 18:20.18 | zaerath | That's the reason I run Debian on my servers... Rolling release is not good for remote boxes you never touch. |
| 18:20.59 | stew | neither is mixing three versions of stable :P |
| 18:21.09 | zaerath | Hey now. |
| 18:21.11 | zaerath | I'm fixing it as we speak. |
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| 18:21.36 | zaerath | Running 2.6.32 now, and updated udev. Making sure my UUIDs are right in my grub menu.lst, then going to reboot after an upgrade. |
| 18:21.48 | zaerath | Just need to do the dist-upgrade and everything *should* be peachy. |
| 18:22.32 | wad | zaerath, http://xkcd.com/349/ |
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| 18:23.07 | zaerath | Man, isn's that the truth? |
| 18:23.30 | jbrks | zaerath, Woman. |
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| 18:23.37 | zaerath | What? |
| 18:23.54 | wad | nods |
| 18:24.06 | zaerath | Oh, gotcha. |
| 18:24.09 | zaerath | Had no idea, sorry. |
| 18:24.12 | zaerath | Internet, no females, etc. |
| 18:24.29 | jbrks | zaerath, I'm no woman. But I think part truth has women involved. |
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| 18:24.54 | jbrks | types the woman command instead of the man command |
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| 18:25.19 | nsadmin | there of course was a time when women didn't know what was possible for them specifically... but that has changed a lot |
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| 18:25.32 | jordanm | jbrks: emacs really does have a woman command for viewing manpages |
| 18:25.40 | LittleFoot | ok guys didnt install debian desktop yet |
| 18:25.43 | jbrks | nsadmin, that reminds me what I read up about the 'Women's Bible' :) |
| 18:25.48 | LittleFoot | but moved my servers to debian |
| 18:25.56 | LittleFoot | what a breeeze |
| 18:26.06 | LittleFoot | not even a single hickup |
| 18:26.16 | LittleFoot | and everything is latest version |
| 18:26.21 | LittleFoot | squeeze 6 |
| 18:26.35 | LittleFoot | apache tells me squeeze 8 tho |
| 18:26.37 | LittleFoot | weird |
| 18:26.45 | nsadmin | for a server, it's generally appropriate to stay with stable as you're doing currently |
| 18:26.54 | LittleFoot | so much beter than crapy centos |
| 18:26.54 | jbrks | well everything works but I bet sleeping doesn't. I heard Linus Torvalds hatest to sleep <hiccc> |
| 18:27.05 | LittleFoot | havent worked on debian server since 6 yrs ago |
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| 18:27.13 | LittleFoot | its been all centos since |
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| 18:27.24 | LittleFoot | i have to say centos sux compare to debian |
| 18:27.42 | jbrks | I wonder what good centos is for really, I tried it and felt not much different about it than redhat or fedora.. |
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| 18:28.11 | LittleFoot | wow this set up could not be beter |
| 18:28.11 | zaerath | I just hate Red Hat distros. |
| 18:28.15 | LittleFoot | i do too |
| 18:28.31 | LittleFoot | i hate YUM |
| 18:28.37 | nsadmin | wait, this comparison thing is picking up some steam :) |
| 18:28.37 | LittleFoot | not sure y but i do |
| 18:28.40 | jbrks | fedora sux.. I stopped using it until v11, got sick of its broken upgrades and missing manpages.. |
| 18:28.51 | jordanm | !ot |
| 18:28.51 | LittleFoot | i go by the name |
| 18:28.52 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:29.01 | LittleFoot | is debian hands down is the coolest sounding name |
| 18:29.55 | LittleFoot | also when i first got the box at media temple it had like 5 processes in top |
| 18:30.02 | LittleFoot | thats when i knew thsi was legit |
| 18:30.34 | jbrks | LittleFool, some reason the way things are going, reminds me of my debian choochoo train |
| 18:30.46 | jbrks | LittleFool, what are we really talking about? lol |
| 18:31.01 | LittleFoot | wat do u mean? |
| 18:31.17 | jbrks | LittleFool, don't tell me you're using mint! :p |
| 18:31.24 | LittleFoot | i am |
| 18:31.29 | jbrks | bastard. |
| 18:31.30 | nsadmin | LittleFoot, Glad things are going so well... note that the packages in stable are extensively tested together in an unchanging env so that it's moreorless known they work well together... it's this not-changingness that is largely responsible for the stability... |
| 18:31.31 | LittleFoot | hehe |
| 18:31.44 | zaerath | Guys... |
| 18:31.47 | zaerath | !ot |
| 18:31.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 18:32.20 | LittleFoot | imagine all the people.... |
| 18:32.39 | LittleFoot | people... using centooooooz |
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| 18:33.22 | jbrks | I thought we were talking debian.. but why do derivative users always think #debian has all the answers? (ubuntu's latest upstart is totally incompatible with debian for eg)-- I think i'll shy away from asking if anyone is using a derivative and just assume |
| 18:33.57 | LittleFoot | what r u talking about? |
| 18:34.05 | LittleFoot | be specific |
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| 18:35.03 | nsadmin | and the same applies to your server... if you don't mess with the versions, you can expect your server to stay up for looooong periods of time (> year without reboot) |
| 18:35.57 | LittleFoot | ur missing the best part |
| 18:36.00 | zaerath | nsadmin: Debian is surprisingly resilient and compatible with old versions... Look at me. I was just running an Etch kernel with Lenny packages and Squeeze packages. |
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| 18:36.07 | LittleFoot | we break stuff so we can fix it |
| 18:36.09 | LittleFoot | its fun |
| 18:36.53 | LittleFoot | ever tried installing red5? |
| 18:37.10 | TuRnaD0 | Hallo Folks, anyone what could recommend debian Videos for learning ? |
| 18:37.16 | nsadmin | zaerath, right, and look at me too, I've been running a remote that's been up at least a year |
| 18:37.20 | nsadmin | on etch |
| 18:37.59 | TuRnaD0 | What=that |
| 18:38.05 | nsadmin | LittleFoot, is red5 a dist? |
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| 18:38.19 | LittleFoot | no its streaming server |
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| 18:38.43 | nsadmin | oh ok... evidently I havent tried it :) |
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| 18:40.07 | nsadmin | TuRnaD0, see the screen this text appears on? |
| 18:40.15 | zaerath | nsadmin Oh man, etch. I hope you never need to upgrade. |
| 18:40.29 | TuRnaD0 | nsadmin yeah ? |
| 18:40.31 | zaerath | I ran this server on sarge like 2 years after it was discontinued... 1.5 years of that without rebooting. |
| 18:40.43 | nsadmin | zaerath, actually going to upgrade soon (but not the normal way) |
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| 18:41.01 | nsadmin | TuRnaD0, pretty good video, huh? |
| 18:41.22 | zaerath | nsadmin: Still staying on Debian? |
| 18:41.29 | nsadmin | yes |
| 18:41.56 | TuRnaD0 | nsadmin you have to mutch time :) |
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| 18:42.12 | jbrks | TuRnaD0, haha you misspelled much |
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| 18:42.39 | TuRnaD0 | yep :) and you like it jbrks ;) |
| 18:42.52 | jbrks | TuRnaD0, once upon a time, not my time, but your time, you misspelled much!! |
| 18:42.54 | nsadmin | TuRnaD0, word to the wise... learn your shell and snell commands... it's where the power really is |
| 18:44.58 | TuRnaD0 | jbrks one upon a time, you had to much time, telling me that it's was my time, that you have to much time! :) |
| 18:45.01 | TuRnaD0 | :D |
| 18:45.34 | stew | put down the bong |
| 18:45.43 | LittleFoot | well if u do stuff corectly u have time |
| 18:45.47 | nsadmin | it's collectively our time... and individually what you choose to do with it |
| 18:45.47 | TuRnaD0 | stew, sorry :( |
| 18:45.53 | TuRnaD0 | :P |
| 18:46.09 | LittleFoot | nono my time is not ur time |
| 18:46.21 | jbrks | TuRnaD0, hey I used to say rtfm! but i won't! :) --> http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
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| 18:46.40 | jbrks | !doc :) |
| 18:46.41 | nsadmin | I'm just saying time passes just the same for all of us |
| 18:46.56 | LittleFoot | thats not true |
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| 18:47.11 | LittleFoot | or is it? |
| 18:47.16 | jbrks | actually we are always reflecting time of the past.. (it takes 80ms for our brains to process the past) |
| 18:47.34 | jbrks | isn't it exciting, we can never exactly live in the present.. hehehe |
| 18:48.00 | nsadmin | what if there are times when you fail to process the past |
| 18:48.06 | zaerath | jbrks: Where'd that metric come from? |
| 18:48.38 | nsadmin | what if you only process now |
| 18:48.42 | jbrks | zaerath, from an online video about how our brains work.. |
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| 18:48.54 | zaerath | Interesting. |
| 18:48.55 | jbrks | some smart alick scientist calcultated it |
| 18:49.40 | jbrks | remembers seeing http://www.wimp.com/livepast/ |
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| 19:01.08 | Iridos | jbrks, that's very funny, actually |
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| 19:02.45 | Iridos | jbrks, but perhaps something for #debian-offtopic? |
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| 19:07.12 | Iridos | because... there's really some problems with that explanation |
| 19:07.14 | Iridos | oh well |
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| 19:13.33 | nimbius | hi debian, im having a problem with |
| 19:13.38 | nimbius | hmmmm... |
| 19:13.41 | nimbius | never mind :) |
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| 19:15.36 | Iridos | !next |
| 19:15.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 19:16.33 | L8 | Hey. I have server near to me but I can't connect him any monitor. There is any way to load debian "blindly" and connect with ssh to complete installation? |
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| 19:16.50 | dondelelcaro | L8: yes, using preseeding |
| 19:17.15 | L8 | dondelelcaro, I'll check it. Thanks |
| 19:17.18 | dondelelcaro | L8: see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 19:30.31 | superuser_ir | http://pastie.org/3782364 |
| 19:30.44 | superuser_ir | plz help me |
| 19:31.32 | dvs | superuser_ir: I think that's pretty self-exclamatory |
| 19:31.40 | allorder | superuser_ir: close synaptic |
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| 19:31.54 | Nik0s | well its says whats going on... |
| 19:31.58 | Nik0s | dpkg is locked |
| 19:31.59 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Nik0s |
| 19:32.07 | dvs | maybe not |
| 19:32.14 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:32.32 | superuser_ir | allorder: it is closed |
| 19:32.46 | Nik0s | do you have aptitude running? |
| 19:32.50 | Woet | superuser_ir: ps faux and see who is running it |
| 19:32.53 | superuser_ir | Nik0s: no |
| 19:32.57 | Nik0s | apt-get? |
| 19:32.58 | Nik0s | :P |
| 19:33.08 | Nik0s | check lsof |
| 19:33.09 | superuser_ir | Nik0s: no |
| 19:33.28 | superuser_ir | Nik0s: how check it? |
| 19:33.43 | allorder | do what Woet told you |
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| 19:34.16 | superuser_ir | Woet : i dont know what u say? |
| 19:34.31 | Nik0s | open terminal |
| 19:34.34 | Nik0s | and type ps faux |
| 19:34.43 | jgalt | how can I associate wlan0 to the local ap from the cmd line? |
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| 19:35.12 | Ryccardo | jgalt: do you use WPA? |
| 19:35.22 | superuser_ir | Nik0s : i do it |
| 19:35.34 | Nik0s | and check if something is runnen apt |
| 19:35.42 | Nik0s | i mean dpkg |
| 19:36.12 | superuser_ir | Nik0s: http://pastie.org/3782423 |
| 19:36.24 | jgalt | Ryccardo: WEP actually - I didn't setup the network, I just have the key to use. |
| 19:36.36 | Ryccardo | OK, then `iwconfig wlan0 essid="{your SSID}" enc=wep key=s:{your pass}` |
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| 19:37.53 | Woet | superuser_ir: that's all? |
| 19:37.58 | superuser_ir | yes |
| 19:38.03 | Nik0s | you are running apt superuser_ir |
| 19:38.04 | Woet | superuser_ir: someone is running something with apt |
| 19:38.05 | Woet | root 3055 0.0 12.4 36616 31600 pts/0 S+ 15:08 0:01 | \_ apt |
| 19:38.07 | somiaj | jgalt: you can configure an alias in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 19:38.12 | Woet | in another session, user root |
| 19:38.27 | somiaj | jgalt: and then use debian's ifupdown scripts, i.e. 'ifup wlan0=alaisname' |
| 19:38.27 | Nik0s | line 54 ;) |
| 19:38.33 | Na_Klar | My debian server had problems with temporary blackouts. I found that other machines in the network are distributing NetBIOS, SMB and forward packages. I changed the behavior of my server to simply DROP these packages instead of REJECT them with an icmp message. Now the problem does not show up anymore. Is this even related in any way?? |
| 19:39.10 | Woet | Na_Klar: no, that's not related |
| 19:39.16 | superuser_ir | Nik0s: how to kill it? |
| 19:39.19 | Woet | Na_Klar: unless it exceeds your uplink (> 100, 1000 mbit) |
| 19:39.24 | Woet | superuser_ir: output of "who" ? |
| 19:39.27 | Nik0s | well you can use kill... |
| 19:39.51 | Nik0s | but looks like you have 2 ssh client on |
| 19:40.03 | zaerath | Hey guys, thanks for all your help. |
| 19:40.11 | zaerath | Now running squeeze with everything working. |
| 19:40.15 | Nik0s | are you both of those? |
| 19:40.20 | dvs | !next |
| 19:40.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 19:40.48 | Na_Klar | Woet, well they are kind of permanent but surely not > 1000mbit/s ^^ ... so ... why seems the problem to be solved now? This is significant but I do not know what the problem was then .. |
| 19:41.17 | Woet | Na_Klar: contact your host? |
| 19:41.30 | Woet | Na_Klar: if it's unmanaged, slap them with traceroutes/MTR/log files |
| 19:41.34 | jgalt | any idea how thie current interfaces are showing as up but not configured yet no entries exist in /etc/network/interfaces except for lo? |
| 19:41.41 | Woet | Na_Klar: and if it's managed, just tell them to fix it |
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| 19:43.03 | Na_Klar | Woet, (not managed) well I did. I hunted them. For weeks. They said they couldn't find a thing. They also changed the network, cables and the switch ... but the problem remained. But as I changed the behavior of my packet filter the problem disappeard. ... hm, sounds then like an random correlation, doesn't it? |
| 19:43.26 | somiaj | jgalt: showing up where? 'ifconfig -a' will show all interfaces if they are configured or not |
| 19:43.30 | Woet | Na_Klar: depends on your packet filter, but unlikely |
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| 19:43.39 | somiaj | jgalt: iwconfig always shows all interfaces (but it looks for wireless extensions) |
| 19:43.49 | Woet | Na_Klar: use a service like www.pingdom.com, it monitors every minute and makes a traceroute when it fails from like 50 locations |
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| 19:44.03 | Woet | Na_Klar: then slap them with those traceroutes as evidence (if it shows the issue is not your server) |
| 19:44.36 | Na_Klar | woet, what I changed was in general to DROP forwards instead of REJECT and to DROP explicit requests on that netbios, smb and also dns ports .. that's it |
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| 19:46.50 | Woet | Na_Klar: could make a difference, but very unlikely |
| 19:47.04 | Na_Klar | I see .. |
| 19:47.37 | Woet | Na_Klar: pingdom would confirm |
| 19:47.39 | Woet | or deny |
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| 19:49.15 | Na_Klar | woet, the thing is, the blackouts were connection-related. The server did not notice the blackouts at all. But if you make a new request to the server as a client (no matter on which service) you had a paticular probability to get now anser for the first 2~ |
| 19:49.19 | Na_Klar | 3 mins .. |
| 19:49.30 | Woet | Na_Klar: pingdom will still confirm/deny :p |
| 19:49.49 | Na_Klar | woet, ok .. my first look on it looked like is runs on the server :P |
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| 19:50.17 | Na_Klar | ah, i see .. ^^ |
| 19:50.20 | Woet | Na_Klar: you mean pingdom? it's done from remote |
| 19:50.28 | Na_Klar | yeah, yeah, my bad |
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| 19:51.33 | Na_Klar | woet, well, the staff did not deny the blackouts. They could reproduce them, after I told them when they occur (you e.g. need to have longer breaks (> 5min) between the requests, otherwise the blackouts wouldn't appear). |
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| 19:51.49 | Woet | Na_Klar: sound like an arp issue |
| 19:51.56 | Na_Klar | woet, what is arp? |
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| 19:52.14 | Woet | Na_Klar: in essence it binds IPs to mac addresses, so the router knows where to route it to |
| 19:52.40 | Woet | Na_Klar: might also be related to a wrong netmask |
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| 19:53.38 | Na_Klar | woet, hm .. that sounds way more sane than the packet filter stuff ... |
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| 19:53.52 | Woet | Na_Klar: just confirm your netmask with your provider |
| 19:54.13 | Na_Klar | woet, I'm doing right now .. they sent the data to me twice .. |
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| 19:59.33 | Na_Klar | woet, as long as they gave me the right address, the netmask is correct. I also got broadcast requests on my machine. Could it be a broadcast issue? |
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| 20:00.19 | superuser_ir | i need only php5-fpm install from testing repos ,but another install from stable repos |
| 20:00.20 | superuser_ir | ? |
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| 20:02.10 | superuser_ir | i need only php5-fpm install from testing repos ,but another install from stable repos,can u give me a solution? |
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| 20:04.03 | Nik0s | looks like noone knows :P |
| 20:04.16 | jelly-home | looks like someone's impatient |
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| 20:04.46 | Nik0s | superuser_ir, you cant use php5-cgi or libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 20:05.36 | superuser_ir | php5.4 is important for me |
| 20:06.06 | Nik0s | you will not get that in stable i think... |
| 20:06.09 | Nik0s | why do you need it? :) |
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| 20:08.28 | jelly-home | wonders how much a backport of 5.4.0 or 5.4.1-rc1 to squeeze can be worth |
| 20:08.33 | superuser_ir | i dont know my Partners دثثی هف |
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| 20:08.47 | Na_Klar | php5.3.3 is in stable .. the difference to 5.4 is not very big .. |
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| 20:09.03 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:14.31 | stew | superuser_ir: is this for development or production? |
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| 20:17.05 | jgalt | Ryccardo: `iwconfig wlan0 essid="{your SSID}" enc=wep key={hex_key}' returns 'iwconfig: unknown command "essid={my_ssid}" |
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| 20:17.54 | superuser_ir | stew :development |
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| 20:18.22 | stew | superuser_ir: any idea when it would go into production? |
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| 20:18.52 | stew | superuser_ir: i don't know about you, but I'd not want to spend my time manually applying security fixed to php in production as they are released |
| 20:21.05 | fasta | Why can't I mount ISO files as a non-root user? |
| 20:21.37 | stew | fasta: because the iso isn't listed in /etc/fstab with the "user" or "users" options |
| 20:22.04 | fasta | stew: but why can't I say "I don't care if users want to mount something". |
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| 20:22.26 | fasta | stew: as long as they don't go over directories of other people, it should be safe, no? |
| 20:22.38 | stew | no |
| 20:22.45 | fasta | stew: why not? |
| 20:22.47 | stew | but, you can do this with sudo, i suppose |
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| 20:23.00 | stew | because you are giving those users root access |
| 20:23.10 | stew | since you let them create arbitrary files with arbitrary permissions |
| 20:23.38 | fasta | stew: I only want them to be able to create arbitrary files below some /home/userdir |
| 20:23.43 | stew | if you want to let them do this, it should be controlled by a script exactly what mount options can be used and where they can mount to |
| 20:23.52 | fasta | stew: it seems like a basic thing to add to an OS. |
| 20:24.29 | stew | so I create an iso with a suid root binary and then I have lots of fun |
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| 20:25.12 | jelly-home | stew: uh, it's standard practice that user-mounted fs are -o noexec,nodev |
| 20:25.32 | stew | but this facility doesn't even exist |
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| 20:25.53 | jelly-home | and you're providing a false argument against it |
| 20:26.00 | jelly-home | this cannot stand! |
| 20:26.15 | stew | i'm just saying that when you invent it, you need to be careful about these things |
| 20:26.17 | Iridos | anyway, I thought gnome and stuff are automounting CDs |
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| 20:26.43 | stew | Iridos: yes, because we can control the creation of the block device to be group owned by plugdev or some such |
| 20:26.50 | Iridos | albeit probably over some priviledged program |
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| 20:27.07 | Iridos | hm, or maybe not |
| 20:27.12 | jelly-home | fuseiso's packaging seems dead |
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| 20:32.13 | narcislinux | how can creat them for gnome? |
| 20:33.04 | stew | E_MISSINGSUBJECT |
| 20:33.15 | oconnore | why is there a package conflict between openssh and virtualbox/python3? |
| 20:33.25 | oconnore | i want to have all three installed |
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| 20:33.42 | Iridos | stew, they heard about us... they know we're psychics... |
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| 20:34.14 | Iridos | oconnore, try aptitude why-not packagename |
| 20:34.20 | stew | oconnore: show us the output of "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2 pkg3" for all the packages in a pastebin |
| 20:34.43 | oconnore | ok, hold on |
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| 20:35.37 | oconnore | stew: http://pastebin.com/8HxSrXD1 |
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| 20:36.28 | stew | oconnore: you are trying to mix the released stable version with unstable, which we strongly recommend against. were you intending to run unstable? |
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| 20:37.06 | stew | oconnore: its not surpising that upgrading to unstable is going to cause dependency problems for the stable version of openssh-client |
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| 20:37.40 | stew | oconnore: but the unstable version *could* work (though, being unstable, everything could be broken) |
| 20:37.52 | oconnore | stew: ok, I wasn't aware that that would cause problems. How can I move to unstable? |
| 20:38.05 | oconnore | I can't use stable because it's missing too many packages |
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| 20:38.21 | stew | oconnore: what packages are missing in stable? we'd recommend just backporting missing packages typically |
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| 20:38.37 | oconnore | stew: for example, virtualbox |
| 20:38.44 | oconnore | how do I backport a package? |
| 20:38.46 | stew | judd: versions virtualbox |
| 20:38.47 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.1.12-dfsg-2 |
| 20:38.52 | stew | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
| 20:38.54 | judd | Package: virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.1.12-dfsg-2 |
| 20:39.05 | stew | "squeeze" is stable |
| 20:39.25 | stew | so virtualbox is there, and there is a newer one already backported |
| 20:39.31 | stew | oconnore: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:40.27 | oconnore | stew http://pastebin.com/3M0TiyD1 |
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| 20:40.44 | oconnore | that's after i removed unstable from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:41.03 | stew | you already partially upgraded to unstable |
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| 20:41.14 | stew | the "partially" is your current problem |
| 20:41.27 | oconnore | ok |
| 20:41.33 | stew | oh, and "virtualbox" isn't in squeeze, its in squeeze-backports |
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| 20:41.45 | stew | "virtualbox-ose" is in squeeze, but there are differences |
| 20:41.54 | oconnore | right |
| 20:42.08 | oconnore | so i should go back to squeeze and add -backports to sources.list? |
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| 20:42.54 | oconnore | how do I downgrade to squeeze packages only? |
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| 20:43.12 | karlpinc | oconnore: (You could probably benefit from visiting http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware) |
| 20:43.37 | Nik0s | well oconnore that can be a problem :P |
| 20:43.43 | karlpinc | oconnore: The easy way is to go back to a backup. |
| 20:44.13 | stew | oconnore: that's different package to package and is sometimes impossible, since we don't support downgrading. |
| 20:44.48 | stew | the maintainer scripts are not generally written with downgrading in mind, if things changed their on disk format, you might need to go to a backup |
| 20:46.01 | oconnore | stew: hmm, could I just go to unstable instead? |
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| 20:47.03 | Nik0s | you can |
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| 20:47.17 | Nik0s | but how much did you upgrade to unstable? |
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| 20:52.53 | oconnore | Nik0s: mostly kernel packages since I didn't know about -backports and support for my onboard wifi was added after 3.x |
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| 20:53.06 | Nik0s | well then you cant go back to stable :P |
| 20:53.13 | Tunix2 | Where are there so many DVDs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 20:53.16 | oconnore | hehe |
| 20:53.17 | Tunix2 | Do I just get the first one? |
| 20:53.23 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 20:53.24 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 20:53.26 | Nik0s | Tunix2 because there are alot of packages |
| 20:53.35 | jordanm | Tunix2: the DVDs contain every package in main |
| 20:53.53 | Tunix2 | wow.... where can I get a basic ready to roll debain iso? |
| 20:54.16 | Nik0s | There isnt one |
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| 20:54.25 | jelly-home | Tunix2: top right corner of http://debian.org/ |
| 20:54.35 | Nik0s | If you dont want to download anything use DVD |
| 20:54.37 | Tunix2 | thank you |
| 20:54.54 | Nik0s | or CD1 but then you can install a minimum installation |
| 20:55.08 | Tunix2 | Nik0s: I dont mind downloading anything. 8 dvds seem way worse than downloading what I need |
| 20:55.10 | Nik0s | or you use netinstall and the packages will be downloade |
| 20:55.22 | Nik0s | well then use the netinst |
| 20:55.27 | Tunix2 | This is going to be my host system for KVM |
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| 20:56.16 | TuRnaD0 | http://pastebin.com/w1YLWHSg |
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| 21:07.37 | Tunix2 | TuRnaD0: you there? |
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| 21:26.27 | rozie | hi. if I'm asked for "traceback" on bug report, should I send 300kB output of strace command? |
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| 21:26.49 | Iridos | err, no |
| 21:27.00 | Iridos | and was it not, by chance, "backtrace"? |
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| 21:27.32 | rozie | Also, it would be nice if you could give some more info, for example the |
| 21:27.32 | rozie | traceback you get on console. |
| 21:27.36 | nsadmin | backtrace, traceback... same thing |
| 21:27.46 | Iridos | dunno, I wonder |
| 21:28.03 | rozie | hm. maybe just conole output? |
| 21:28.06 | Iridos | rozie, maybe... I'm not sure what he means with that... |
| 21:28.11 | rozie | will try that ;) |
| 21:28.23 | rozie | sending 300kB sounds weird for me |
| 21:29.09 | Iridos | "backtrace" would be... you run the program inside gdb, the program crashes and you type "bt" to get the backtrace of the last functions called before the crash |
| 21:29.29 | Iridos | or more... the list of functions calling each other until you reach the most inside one, where the crash happens |
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| 21:30.06 | nsadmin | a stack trace might give more info than strace unless the crash happens inside a lib call |
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| 21:30.47 | Iridos | rozie, but like that... dunno what he means... 300k strace output isn't so bad if you know what you're looking for either... |
| 21:30.54 | rozie | BTW any chance you use wicd (wicd-gkt, precisely)? |
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| 21:31.34 | rozie | I'm talking about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668657 |
| 21:31.34 | Iridos | no, but I might |
| 21:31.47 | rozie | and I wonder if you can run LANG=pl_PL wicd-gtk |
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| 21:32.07 | rozie | (need to generate pl_PL locale) |
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| 21:32.20 | Iridos | as I'm losing wireless connection a couple of times a day and I start wondering, if it's really something to do with the wireless or if it's the damn network-manager that I used to configure it out of curiosity |
| 21:32.43 | rozie | take a look on dmesg and syslog |
| 21:32.45 | Iridos | probably should just configure interfaces |
| 21:32.56 | bmomjian | Can someone explain the output of free on Debian Squeeze, particuarly the "mem/used" value of 20351? I know the second line is the one I have to look at for how much an application can allocate, but that mem/used value doesn't make any sense; this system is idle. http://momjian.us/tmp/free.txt |
| 21:33.08 | Iridos | rozie, what would that tell me? |
| 21:33.32 | rozie | Iridos: sometimes wifi driver have problems |
| 21:33.43 | rozie | or it just may be AP fault ;-) |
| 21:33.46 | jelly-home | bmomjian: most of your memory is essentialy free. |
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| 21:34.13 | rozie | Iridos: could you run LANG=pl_PL wicd-gtk and check if this segfaults? |
| 21:34.21 | bmomjian | I guess it just bugs me that I can't figure out why cached + buffers does not equal used |
| 21:34.31 | Iridos | rozie, well, I always blamed the AP or ... gremlins, whatnot... just now started wondering if it might be nm-crappiness |
| 21:34.43 | jelly-home | bmomjian: why do you think a "used" value of 1419 makes no sense? |
| 21:34.44 | Iridos | mmh |
| 21:34.56 | Iridos | I neither have wicd, nor polish locale |
| 21:35.24 | bmomjian | how did you get 1419? |
| 21:35.29 | Iridos | rozie, he means a backtrace... it's what you commonly do when a program segfaults |
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| 21:35.32 | bmomjian | oh, I see |
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| 21:35.53 | jelly-home | bmomjian: the second line w/ numbers, which, as you said, is the one that matters |
| 21:35.55 | bmomjian | oh, wow, I get it now! |
| 21:36.20 | Iridos | rozie, its usefulness is limited, though, when the program (and/or the libs this happens in) isn't (aren't) compiled with debugging symbols... |
| 21:36.25 | bmomjian | mem/buffers + mem/cached + line 2 used equals line 1 used; got it! |
| 21:36.33 | bmomjian | not it seems obvious, duh! |
| 21:36.42 | Iridos | rozie, so you might have to recompile the package with debugging symbols if there's no <package>-dbg package already pre-made |
| 21:37.13 | Necrosporus | My sources.list had been being removed when I mistyped a command on freshly-installed Debian 6.0 squeeze |
| 21:37.15 | jelly-home | bmomjian: if you don't feel like explaining it to someone else some other time, point them to linuxatemyram.com |
| 21:37.22 | Necrosporus | Do I have any option to restore it? |
| 21:37.35 | Iridos | bmomjian, it's one of those little things to make the people in the know feel superior to thost stumbling idiots who don't... and was probably specially programmed for that ;) |
| 21:37.47 | bmomjian | and I can figure out that line 1 buffers + line 1 cached + line free = line 2 free |
| 21:37.49 | Necrosporus | No browser is installed to google for a sample |
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| 21:37.52 | bmomjian | ok, wow, not sure why I was so dense |
| 21:38.27 | bmomjian | Iridos: yes, I am feeling it was made extra-confusing |
| 21:38.27 | jelly-home | that output is completely unreadable to anyone seeing it for the first time, and we all know it |
| 21:38.40 | rozie | Iridos: hm, I probably know what causes the problem... pl_PL locale support with python apps is terribly broken |
| 21:39.03 | Iridos | rozie, make a backtrace... and you know more |
| 21:39.13 | bmomjian | I show this in one of my Postgres classes and usually mumble that the last number on line 2 is the one to look at, but I needed to know how the other numbers added up, thanks |
| 21:39.27 | Iridos | rozie, perhaps what you know more is that you'd really need something compiled with debugging symbols to know more, but... it's the first step |
| 21:39.31 | bmomjian | there is a huge amount of confusion over how to interpret these numbrer if you google for info on it |
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| 21:40.25 | rozie | well, we have pastebin! |
| 21:40.32 | rozie | http://pastebin.com/WNCxHP7E |
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| 21:43.19 | Iridos | rozie, not strace! |
| 21:43.33 | Iridos | rozie, I thought I described in some detail above |
| 21:44.21 | jelly-home | bmomjian: just remember: linux ate my ram dot com |
| 21:44.46 | bmomjian | I didn't really like that site --- way too simplistic |
| 21:44.46 | nsadmin | if you want a backtrace, you have to make sure the binary executable was compiled with debugging symbols enabled, then you run it in gdb |
| 21:44.54 | Iridos | <Iridos> "backtrace" would be... you run the program inside gdb, the program crashes and you type "bt" to get the backtrace of the last functions called before the crash |
| 21:44.55 | nsadmin | let it crash |
| 21:45.02 | nsadmin | then run bt |
| 21:45.07 | bmomjian | as an instructor, I can't just throw the problem to a simplistic answer --- I really needed to understand it |
| 21:45.39 | Iridos | I liked the site |
| 21:45.46 | Iridos | err, sorry for not talking internets |
| 21:45.55 | Iridos | I liek! |
| 21:46.25 | bmomjian | the site gives you the answer, but now how it got the answer, |
| 21:46.57 | rozie | Iridos: OK, I understand. anyway, send an answer already, so I hope it will be enough |
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| 21:47.02 | Iridos | by reading the manpage? |
| 21:47.06 | rozie | let's give DD a chance ;-) |
| 21:47.15 | Iridos | rozie, why not do it now and look at it |
| 21:47.20 | nsadmin | alll we are sayyyyingggg.... |
| 21:47.24 | Iridos | and then send a 2nd answer |
| 21:47.27 | Iridos | :D |
| 21:47.58 | rozie | I guess method of reproduction will be more useful for him than sending backtrace |
| 21:48.00 | Iridos | rozie, it's not soooo hard! |
| 21:48.12 | rozie | and backtrace. and backtrace |
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| 21:48.46 | Iridos | I dunno... backtrace can immediately tell what'S wrong |
| 21:48.53 | Iridos | and if he can reproduce it, he'll have to make one himself |
| 21:49.06 | Iridos | and in the time we're discussing this, you could have made one 5 times already |
| 21:49.12 | rozie | Iridos: did you read the bug report? |
| 21:49.36 | rozie | there's link to another bug report there |
| 21:49.49 | rozie | and I'm pretty sure it's the same issue |
| 21:49.49 | Iridos | yeah... you're a naughty buy and mixing distributions and that could well be a reason for the bug :P |
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| 21:51.28 | Iridos | rozie, that's not a segfault |
| 21:51.57 | Iridos | oh well... do what you want |
| 21:52.23 | Iridos | if you want to help fixing it, I would suggest you get a backtrace for the crash you see on console, as the DM asked for. |
| 21:52.57 | nsadmin | you're a naughty buy my car? |
| 21:53.05 | Iridos | it's as simple as: gdb /path/to/program |
| 21:53.21 | Iridos | type "run" wait for crash, type bt |
| 21:53.36 | Iridos | nsadmin, dude, where's my car? |
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| 21:54.12 | jelly-home | DUDE, where's your car? |
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| 21:56.18 | rozie | Iridos: how's that not a segfault? |
| 21:56.21 | rozie | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 21:56.53 | Iridos | rozie, the thing in the 2nd bug isn't |
| 21:57.34 | rozie | sure it's not |
| 21:57.41 | rozie | btw gdb /usr/bin/wicd-gtk |
| 21:57.50 | rozie | "/usr/bin/wicd-gtk": not in executable format: File format not recognized |
| 21:58.34 | rozie | so would need to recompile |
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| 21:59.11 | rozie | so would need to download half of the Internet ;-) |
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| 22:01.02 | Iridos | rozie, means /usr/bin/wicd-gtk is a script |
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| 22:01.13 | Iridos | I#d think |
| 22:01.29 | Iridos | means you should run gdb on the real binary |
| 22:01.44 | rozie | /usr/bin/wicd-gtk: POSIX shell script text executable - you're right! |
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| 22:02.14 | rozie | exec /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py |
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| 22:03.13 | Iridos | so... I guess gdb --args /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py |
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| 22:05.05 | rozie | http://pastebin.com/9bEddz5a |
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| 22:06.40 | teratorn | can anyone tell me what interface programs under /usr/lib/apt/methods/ are supposed to conform to? I can't find any docs, and I need to implement a custom one (sftp) |
| 22:07.25 | rozie | Iridos: thanks! |
| 22:08.18 | rozie | g'nite |
| 22:08.22 | Iridos | rozie, hm, that finally ends up in libc6 |
| 22:09.02 | Iridos | rozie, I first didn't get that this is python... for python there's at least a python-all-dbg package and all kinds of python-*-dbg packages |
| 22:09.19 | Iridos | rozie, when you install those, all what now is '??' will become useful stuff |
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| 22:10.46 | Iridos | rozie, but I think as-is, it might be already kinda useful... as it shows that it finally ends up in PyRun_SimpleFileExFlags before crashing somewhere in libc |
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| 22:14.48 | raouf | hello there |
| 22:15.11 | raouf | how can I determine a filename encodage ?! |
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| 22:16.02 | raouf | because I've filenames encodage problems and want convert them using convmv |
| 22:16.14 | Iridos | by knowing them in the first place... |
| 22:16.31 | raouf | but I can't as I don't know the current filename encodage |
| 22:17.04 | gotmynick | file -ib myfile |
| 22:17.22 | Iridos | that is bad luck, as there seems to be no reliable way to autodetect them... you can just make guesses until you get it right... at least that was what I found last time I looked |
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| 22:18.00 | raouf | application/x-directory; charset=binary |
| 22:18.13 | raouf | that's what I got for a directory ! |
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| 22:18.29 | gotmynick | now try with a file into that directory |
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| 22:20.13 | raouf | iso-8859-1 |
| 22:20.23 | raouf | :) |
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| 22:20.47 | gotmynick | \o/ |
| 22:20.48 | dvs | Boo! |
| 22:20.55 | raouf | gotmynick, but what about the dir? |
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| 22:21.13 | gotmynick | the dir is not utf or iso by itself |
| 22:21.17 | gotmynick | the "dir name" may be |
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| 22:21.29 | raouf | yes I'm talking about the dirname |
| 22:21.40 | gotmynick | for strings... file is not the tool |
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| 22:22.04 | gotmynick | a perl script that reads the dir name and detects the encoding may do it |
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| 22:22.46 | noccy | Hi all, anyone that got a minute to help me with a quite odd build problem? I'm trying to build Xfce from source, but the system insists on grabbing the libraries from the wrong location and I have no clue where this override is located. http://pastebin.com/PvwL340t |
| 22:23.01 | jelly-home | gotmynick: echo "file name" | file - |
| 22:23.25 | gotmynick | nice ^^^ see raouf |
| 22:23.35 | raouf | :) |
| 22:23.39 | raouf | i'll try this |
| 22:23.53 | jelly-home | there's probably a dozen encoding-guessing tools |
| 22:24.07 | Iridos | and do any work? |
| 22:24.49 | jelly-home | good question |
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| 22:25.07 | raouf | jelly, gotmynick : /dev/stdin: ISO-8859 text |
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| 22:25.39 | Iridos | oh well... I think I'll configure my internet with interfaces, as I should of done from the beginning |
| 22:25.48 | kevlarman | short answer: no, it's generally impossible to guess encoding based only on fle contents |
| 22:26.01 | kevlarman | except ascii |
| 22:26.13 | peterrooney | noccy: odd, yes, that it's looking for a file in package libglib2.0-dev in your home dir. |
| 22:26.34 | kevlarman | utf8 is pretty guessable if the text is mostly english |
| 22:26.41 | raouf | kevlarman, we're about filename & dirname encoding |
| 22:26.41 | kevlarman | err utf16 |
| 22:26.43 | kevlarman | not utf8 |
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| 22:26.53 | kevlarman | raouf: same thing though |
| 22:27.22 | noccy | peterrooney: yeah, I know, it's from when I built gimp from sources a while ago. I didn't do that as root however, so I'm quite confused as to a system-wide override made it in there, and I can't find anything in pkgconfig nor any symlinks that could be the cause |
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| 22:28.20 | peterrooney | noccy: when's the last time you ran apt-get build-dep gimp ? |
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| 22:28.37 | jelly-home | kevlarman: and yet, translate.google.com not only guesses the encoding, it guesses the language as well |
| 22:28.54 | noccy | peterrooney: I don't recall doing that at all |
| 22:29.06 | kevlarman | jelly-home: keyword is guess |
| 22:29.25 | kevlarman | there are inputs where you can't tell one way or the other with a high level of certainty |
| 22:29.33 | noccy | peterrooney: I built all the dependencies manually and made sure to use prefix to drop them all in ~/gimp/ |
| 22:29.35 | peterrooney | noccy: build-dep is the handies option if you're building anything from source |
| 22:29.46 | peterrooney | handiest, even |
| 22:30.11 | noccy | peterrooney: ah yes, but this was for 2.7 when the 2.6 was the latest version in the repos |
| 22:30.41 | peterrooney | ,versions gimp |
| 22:30.42 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; sid: 2.6.12-1+b2; wheezy: 2.6.12-1+b2 |
| 22:31.05 | raouf | gotmynick, jelly-home :* the converstion works thank you guys |
| 22:31.16 | peterrooney | thus making my suggestioin merely hot air. sorry. |
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| 22:32.07 | noccy | peterrooney: ah :( this is just getting more and more confusing |
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| 22:40.13 | noccy | how does the system resolve the libraries to link with? I thought that was done with the PKG_CONFIG_PATH envvar? |
| 22:40.39 | noccy | but obviously it was ignoring that and going for ~/gimp/lib/pkgconfig |
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| 22:45.11 | stew | noccy: are you talking about runtime linking or compile-time linking? |
| 22:45.33 | noccy | stew: compile time |
| 22:46.38 | noccy | stew: I'm using stock configure/make to build Xfce, but it won't build exo as it insists on looking in the wrong location |
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| 23:04.12 | thewanderer1 | oh well. here goes a new kernel :/ |
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| 23:10.44 | LV-426 | thewanderer1, assuming your build env is still intact, use make path/to/kvm.ko |
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| 23:13.11 | thewanderer1 | LV-426: hmm ok, let's try that |
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| 23:13.31 | thewanderer1 | oops, lost the build dir :P |
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| 23:20.51 | afuentes | is there a way to use vlc or something like that to play flash videos in browser? ive got an i5, 8 ram, a +100$ nvidia card and a 360p videos still skip frames :/ |
| 23:21.03 | afuentes | glxinfo|grep rendering is yes |
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| 23:21.26 | afuentes | i installed nvidia drivers via nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 23:21.36 | afuentes | looking for something i also install browser-plugin-vlc, that show among plugins in my icedove |
| 23:21.44 | afuentes | iceweasel* |
| 23:22.01 | afuentes | my cpu and memory usage does not go up to 100% or anything like that |
| 23:22.14 | afuentes | it just skip frames... sometimes in small resolutions, and all the time full screen |
| 23:22.24 | afuentes | :/ |
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| 23:22.33 | engla | you can enable html5 in youtube to begin with |
| 23:22.43 | afuentes | not sure what to google for :/ |
| 23:22.51 | afuentes | i tried several querys with not really good results |
| 23:22.52 | engla | however sadly the number of youtube videos working with html5 is declining |
| 23:23.03 | engla | since ads are pushed out more and more |
| 23:23.05 | afuentes | engla, i tried html5 in youtube |
| 23:23.10 | afuentes | and its the same or even worse |
| 23:23.19 | engla | that's strange |
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| 23:23.38 | engla | sure, webm playback in firefox uses 40% cpu here while only 10% in vlc |
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| 23:24.32 | xixor | yo... silly question: I want to install debian testing 64-bit, should I use i386? ia64? amd64? |
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| 23:24.48 | streuner_ | amd64 |
| 23:24.50 | afuentes | xixor, amd64 |
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| 23:25.26 | xixor | ok, thanks |
| 23:25.38 | engla | xixor: you have an intel x86-64 assumed |
| 23:25.47 | engla | since powerpc64 and ia64 are also 64-bit |
| 23:25.50 | engla | etc |
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| 23:26.40 | FrostofSparta | How can I implement the "You have 5 packages to update" functionality of the Ubuntu's MOTD in Debian? |
| 23:26.42 | xixor | yes, that is correct.. macbook pro 5,3, 3.06gz Core2Duo, 8gb memory |
| 23:26.47 | streuner_ | xixor: what kind of CPU do you have? |
| 23:27.13 | afuentes | FrostofSparta, look at ubuntu script to begin with lol |
| 23:27.14 | streuner_ | well, that's amd64, but look at wiki.debian.org about a MBR |
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| 23:27.26 | xixor | streuner_: intel core 2 duo, 3.06ghz |
| 23:27.52 | FrostofSparta | afuentes: I'm having trouble with what to google to find it... I don't really want to install it, So I can take a peek |
| 23:27.53 | xixor | streuner_: I believe it is this one: http://ark.intel.com/products/39312/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T9900-(6M-Cache-3_06-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB) |
| 23:27.54 | streuner_ | xixor: most likely amd64, but there should be an entry about an MBP |
| 23:28.01 | afuentes | FrostofSparta, i think the script is located at /etc/init.d/motd |
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| 23:28.08 | xixor | streuner_: entry into what? debian wiki? |
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| 23:28.14 | streuner_ | yep |
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| 23:28.51 | xixor | streuner_: yeah, I am reading that page now.. installing linux on mac hardware is a little bit more involved than on a generic x86 pc.... this is my second attempt, first attempt failed a few months ago, and I gave up |
| 23:29.15 | engla | I'm using a new MB air |
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| 23:29.23 | engla | booting using efi |
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| 23:30.02 | xixor | engla: nice. I installed rEFIT or whatever, and made a usb install image for debian... but couldn't get it to boot |
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| 23:30.26 | engla | hm ok. I got mine to boot, without refit even |
| 23:30.40 | afuentes | FrostofSparta, ask in ubuntu forum or irc, if someone can run dpkg -S /etc/init.d/motd for you and then you can download and take a peek at the package :) |
| 23:30.53 | afuentes | FrostofSparta, not sure if thats the location tho |
| 23:31.25 | engla | xixor: I used this method for a debian testing iso on usb: http://d.goodlad.net/articles/arch_linux_on_mba_42/ that guy has instructions for using os x to write the usb stick.. worked fine with debian too |
| 23:31.50 | xixor | engla: ok, thanks, I will take a read |
| 23:31.58 | xixor | engla: how is linux on an MBA? |
| 23:32.10 | xixor | engla: are 4-finger gesutres supported for instance? |
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| 23:32.23 | engla | not really. 2-finger scrolls work fine |
| 23:32.38 | engla | currently the trackpad detects 3-finger and 4-finger drags as extra button clicks |
| 23:32.44 | engla | mouse button 7,8,9,10 etc clicked |
| 23:32.50 | engla | so they dont' work like drags |
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| 23:33.17 | engla | but you can still trigger workspace switch with a three-finger gesture |
| 23:33.30 | xixor | how is battery life? |
| 23:33.45 | streuner_ | loooooonnnnnng |
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| 23:33.59 | engla | it was good with 3.2.0, 7 hours |
| 23:34.07 | engla | after some power saving settings |
| 23:34.18 | engla | now I'm not sure if it's lower due to a change in the intel driver |
| 23:34.21 | engla | not sure |
| 23:34.42 | engla | it's probably the same |
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| 23:34.47 | streuner_ | according to other laptops apple is just fine |
| 23:35.19 | xixor | engla: I am thinking of getting a system76 machine for my next laptop. My last two were macbook pros, but I am thinking of moving away from apple hardware |
| 23:35.46 | xixor | (and running debian on the system76 machine of course) |
| 23:36.36 | streuner_ | apple supports nothing for Linux |
| 23:36.53 | streuner_ | they dont give about Linux at all |
| 23:36.58 | streuner_ | damn* |
| 23:37.00 | engla | well I think the 2011 MBA was worth it when it was new, ssd, 1440x900 screen, good build quality and intel-only graphics |
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| 23:37.38 | xixor | yeah, the mba is nice |
| 23:37.50 | engla | but those things will end up in cheaper laptops now |
| 23:38.03 | xixor | if apple makes a 14" hybrid between a macbook pro and a macbook air, without an optical drive, and an ssd... that might tempt me |
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| 23:39.31 | streuner_ | well, thats pretty fine, but why the hell you are using Debian then? :-P |
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| 23:39.50 | xixor | I'm not sure |
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| 23:40.41 | xixor | right now I am installing debian on this macbook pro because I have no other computers to install it on, and I don't like running desktop OSs in a VM. I run two debian servers on a VM currently, but I find the desktop experience.... lacking |
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| 23:42.43 | engla | I have an OSX dual boot but I don't like to use it |
| 23:43.02 | engla | so far, everything I've needed either runs in debian, in wine or in a win xp virtualbox |
| 23:43.42 | streuner_ | Debian is freedom, just run a terminal in OSX.... |
| 23:43.45 | engla | in fact, the apps that I did want to use (old modelling software) doesn't run at all on OS X because they ripped out ppc emulation |
| 23:44.09 | engla | streuner_: ? |
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| 23:44.34 | streuner_ | engla: you dont have the chance to install anything... |
| 23:44.44 | engla | chance? |
| 23:44.54 | streuner_ | no |
| 23:44.58 | engla | I don't get it |
| 23:45.03 | streuner_ | nm |
| 23:45.16 | xixor | streuner_: my main "server/desktop" machine right now runs windows 7, with two linux VMs, raid drives, etc. It has been rock solid. I'd like to install linux on it, but... I want to leave well enough alone |
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| 23:45.51 | xixor | my awesome website can't afford any downtime, http://www.xixor.net |
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| 23:46.31 | streuner_ | engla: in my world, i want to make everything i want to, but thats not possible in OSX... |
| 23:46.44 | engla | right |
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| 23:47.07 | engla | but before you asked xixor why they used Debian at all |
| 23:47.21 | engla | that sounded like you thought os x was superior if you have it |
| 23:47.23 | engla | but it's not |
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| 23:48.08 | xixor | I am an agnostic operating system user: I believe that every OS sucks. Some just suck a bit less at certain things. |
| 23:48.54 | engla | that's sad |
| 23:49.21 | xixor | I'm too pragmatic to be fanatically loyal to a particular OS/brand/software platform |
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| 23:51.08 | xixor | I've been a debian user since 1996 or 97 though |
| 23:53.22 | streuner_ | IT is sometimes hard! (TM) :-P |
| 23:53.25 | jelly-home | xixor: install ESX on it and run everything in VMs! |
| 23:53.35 | jelly-home | also, be unable to play games |
| 23:53.49 | xixor | I like VMs for servers, test systems, development |
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| 23:53.57 | xixor | but for desktop linux.... I like it bareback |
| 23:54.08 | engla | VMs gives your RAM something to work for |
| 23:54.08 | streuner_ | after the 2 sentences? nah, he wont play any games ever :-P |
| 23:55.06 | streuner_ | <xixor> I'm too pragmatic to be fanatically loyal to a particular OS/brand/software platform |
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| 23:55.37 | xixor | I write and run high performance scientific computing code for a living... my ram needs breaks sometimes. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1781062/shot1.png |
| 23:56.20 | engla | nice. which field? |
| 23:56.37 | xixor | geophysics |
| 23:57.04 | engla | ok |
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| 23:59.27 | xixor | but you know, I just really want a dedicated debian machine, with a keyboard/mouse/monitor/desk/chair/speakers, not in a VM, not on a laptop |
