| 00:01.00 | RusticCoder | My experience zip does not store user id but tar does. when untared if a user does not match the uid the uid shows. compressed files do not have a concept of a "user" only a uid. |
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| 00:02.03 | elik | foul_owl: http://fixunix.com/mandriva/502660-tar-same-owner-option.html |
| 00:02.20 | nsadmin | right, tar is moreorless aware of unix-style ownerships, permissions and timestamps |
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| 00:04.06 | foul_owl | so it just matches a UID which is an integer I would imagine, not match a string which is the username? |
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| 00:04.45 | foul_owl | so it is very likely that even if there is the same user on a new system, the archive won't preserve ownership? |
| 00:05.26 | nsadmin | hmm. actually I don't know whether tar stores the UID or the username as a string |
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| 00:05.50 | nsadmin | I would guess that's easy to test |
| 00:06.18 | themill | tar has options to control which it stores and that's documented in its man page |
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| 00:10.21 | elik | nsadmin: it doesn't seem to be a MSS issue (on the syn packet, MSS is set to 1460, which seems reasonnable) |
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| 00:11.30 | foul_owl | how do you search a man page |
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| 00:12.23 | elik | foul_owl: / |
| 00:12.39 | elik | foul_owl: then you type what you need, enter, then n for next match, N for previous |
| 00:12.42 | nsadmin | if you have less installed, man uses less and you can use whatever less provides |
| 00:12.52 | nsadmin | if not, it uses more |
| 00:12.55 | foul_owl | thanks!! |
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| 00:13.02 | elik | foul_owl: type h for more |
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| 00:14.47 | foul_owl | so the option --numeric-owner means use a UID? |
| 00:15.06 | foul_owl | it jsut says "numbers" in the man page |
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| 00:27.07 | linduxed | hey guys, i've got a script that needs to run a remote command over ssh on my server. the problem is that the host on which this remote command is to be run has to be the host which connected over ssh to the server. typical scenario: client computer "foobar" ssh's into server (on which the script lies), attaches the screen session. now if the script would execute it should run the remote commands on |
| 00:27.08 | linduxed | "foobar" |
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| 00:30.04 | linduxed | is there a way to achieve this without actually binding the foobar computer to a subdomain of a domain i own (or something like that)? |
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| 00:33.25 | elik | Ok, I know exactly what happens now: The get for those webpages is sent in a 1514 long frame (lots of cookies and all that shit). Having ppoe somewhere on the link means it doesn't go through |
| 00:33.32 | elik | nsadmin: ^ |
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| 00:44.26 | elik | So the question remain: how does a router normally deal with clients sending it data too large for the upstream pipe? Why doesn't my router deal with that? |
| 00:45.42 | th0r | elik: could you set the mtu lower on the client? |
| 00:46.17 | elik | th0r: haven't tried that yet but will to make sure it solves the issue, but I can't imagine everyone downstream of a pppoe having to set this manually |
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| 00:46.25 | th0r | elik: or come to think of it, maybe on the router |
| 00:47.19 | elik | th0r: the MTU of the PPPoE interface on the router is set correctly (1492) |
| 00:47.37 | elik | for the record, the router == my debian box |
| 00:47.43 | dondelelcaro | elik: normally that's all done using pathway MTU discovery |
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| 00:47.53 | dondelelcaro | elik: are you blocking ICMP or anything like that? |
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| 00:49.38 | elik | dondelelcaro: hum, let me see my iptables rules |
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| 00:50.12 | elik | dondelelcaro: come to think of it, I just set my iptables to allow everything. It would have worked then, no? |
| 00:50.47 | dondelelcaro | elik: in theory |
| 00:51.00 | elik | dondelelcaro: also, I can ping the router |
| 00:51.00 | dondelelcaro | you'd have to look precisely and the packet stream on the router if you wanted to be certain, though |
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| 00:51.20 | dondelelcaro | elik: tcpdump can also help you look at the precise set of packets on the router which are being sent back and forth |
| 00:51.20 | elik | dondelelcaro: that's icmp enough |
| 00:51.38 | elik | dondelelcaro: does it have any advantage over wireshark? |
| 00:51.49 | nsadmin | you mean you removed all rules and reset the chain policies? |
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| 00:52.36 | elik | nsadmin: iptables-restore |
| 00:52.41 | elik | nsadmin: so yeah |
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| 00:53.01 | dondelelcaro | elik: it doesn't require a gui? |
| 00:53.25 | elik | dondelelcaro: right, but for now, the gui is welcome :P |
| 00:54.10 | elik | dondelelcaro: the box is already polluted with gui packages anyway |
| 00:54.18 | elik | I'll look for ICMP |
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| 00:56.29 | elik | is this something that should be done on the spot? like, "that was too large", or it's part of general network "maintenance" |
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| 00:56.57 | elik | It's just confusing when you read on that stuff, you get a lot of obsolete info, yet it seems to match your issue |
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| 01:09.40 | elik | Deleting the cookies deflates gets and allows me to load the page |
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| 01:10.43 | elik | once, as the page soon dumps all its shit in my cookies upon next visit :D |
| 01:10.54 | elik | Probably a good time to think about cookies policies |
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| 01:16.54 | elik | Confirmed, changing mtu size on the client fixed it |
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| 01:28.05 | elik | th0r, dondelelcaro: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery , turns out I have the exact problem described in Problems with |
| 01:28.15 | elik | nsadmin: ^ |
| 01:29.21 | th0r | elik: so I was on the right path....not bad for an old man that has been out of the game for years |
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| 01:31.05 | elik | th0r: back in the days, now old man could not just pop out his 40$ linksys router, plug it in and just start surfin :) |
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| 01:31.35 | ner0x | Best app for an ipod on gnome? |
| 01:31.46 | th0r | elik: yeah, but in those days getting linux to print 'hello' gave me a sense of accomplishment <smile> |
| 01:32.19 | elik | th0r: precisely |
| 01:33.53 | dvs | hands th0r some punchcards |
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| 01:34.18 | th0r | dvs: that was my first programming experience <smile>. Illiac III |
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| 01:34.45 | dvs | o |
| 01:34.53 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:35.43 | elik | dondelelcaro: now that I look at it, I might be blocking icmp.. although that wouldn't be iptables' doing, wouldn't it? |
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| 01:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | Wait, what? I have punchcards! |
| 01:39.29 | Zapador | Hi! I have a problem running a .jar file, something with X11 display. I googled and tried display=0.0. Then started getting the error "Could not initialize class sun.awt.X11GraphicsEnvironment" when trying to run thar .jar file. Uhm? :-\ |
| 01:40.07 | jhutchins_lt | ner0x: Depends a lot on WHICH iPod. |
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| 01:42.15 | ner0x | 2 gig blue |
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| 01:42.47 | elik | ner0x: more like, what generation, which model, etc |
| 01:42.52 | dvs | is glad he only had to deal with Wyse terminals. |
| 01:43.10 | elik | ner0x: pretty sure colour has nothing to do with config |
| 01:43.23 | ranix | !z25 |
| 01:43.24 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 01:43.36 | ranix | sorry for the spam |
| 01:43.40 | ner0x | elik: there is only one model 2 gig blue. |
| 01:43.42 | ner0x | shuffle. |
| 01:43.55 | ranix | I was /msging the wrong bot |
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| 01:55.34 | OldParr | i have problems with "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring" it tries to erase a lot of packages including a gnome's package --> http://paste.debian.net/127187/ |
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| 01:59.25 | dvs | OldParr: It looks like it's uninstalling mono |
| 01:59.51 | OldParr | what is mono? |
| 01:59.59 | OldParr | dvs: |
| 02:00.00 | boudiccas | OldParr; what happens if you use apt-get? e.g. sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:00.13 | dvs | !tell OldParr about mono |
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| 02:01.50 | Zapador | Trying to run a .jar I get the following error "Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException: |
| 02:01.50 | Zapador | No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it." - googled a lot and still unable to solve it. |
| 02:02.13 | OldParr | boudiccas: -> http://paste.debian.net/127188/ |
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| 02:03.43 | saganbyte | Hi |
| 02:04.33 | saganbyte | I was trying to configure wireless on a new Debian 6 install and messed up. Now the system wont boot into a graphical desktop nor a terminal |
| 02:04.38 | saganbyte | Is there something I can do bout it |
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| 02:05.29 | OldParr | boudiccas: "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring" performs different than aptitude -> http://paste.debian.net/127188/ |
| 02:06.01 | CannedCorn | how often does log rotate run? |
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| 02:08.53 | rudi_s | CannedCorn: /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/* |
| 02:09.47 | CannedCorn | ok cool |
| 02:10.58 | CannedCorn | so its purely a time thing and not related to the size of the logs? |
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| 02:11.44 | densone | I am trying to install some apps programmatically over Net::SSH, and and having issues because of a STDIN dialog. Can someone tell me if there is a flag to suppress this in apt-get? I tried --quiet, and it did not seem to help. |
| 02:12.29 | rudi_s | CannedCorn: Depends on the settings, man logrotate and search for size (/size). |
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| 02:12.37 | CannedCorn | ok cool, thanks man |
| 02:12.42 | rudi_s | np |
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| 02:18.03 | OldParr | triying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze i check the kernel and it is not 2.6.32 what can i do |
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| 02:18.37 | dvs | OldParr: Upgrade udev first while you can. |
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| 02:19.22 | elik | According to what I read on PMTUD, all packets DF (don't fragment) flags are set. The first router that can't forward the packet (mtu too small for packet size, and can't fragment since DF is set) send back an ICMP... now, my policy for outgoing packets on my router is -P OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 02:19.33 | elik | Yet, I do not see any ICMP being sent back to my hosts |
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| 02:20.01 | OldParr | dvs: how do i upgrade udev ? |
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| 02:21.12 | dvs | OldParr: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 02:24.24 | Zapador | I have a server with Debian 6.0-LAMP freshly installed, and I am connected via SSH with PuTTY. I want a Desktop on it, what would you recommend? |
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| 02:30.08 | zutme | ok, so I know I'm doing something stupid here, but I'm trying to install this package: http://packages.debian.org/en/source/squeeze/net/sabnzbdplus But apt-get and aptitude can't find it. I think I have correctly added contrib to the proper places in /etc/apt/sources.list But nothing seems to work. |
| 02:31.20 | rudi_s | zutme: Did you run aptitude update after updating /etc/apt? |
| 02:31.29 | zutme | rudi_s, yes |
| 02:32.31 | rudi_s | zutme: Hm, weird. Works for me (I see it in aptitude). |
| 02:33.12 | zutme | I mean "sudo aptitude install sabnzbdplus" should work right? |
| 02:33.21 | gnarface | hey anyone heard of that firesale on hp touchpads? i want to buy one but first it'd be nice to know someone else had already managed to shoehorn debian on to one |
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| 02:33.40 | rudi_s | zutme: After sudo aptitude update, yes. |
| 02:34.18 | zutme | does this look right? |
| 02:34.19 | zutme | http://pastebin.com/4ddvQxb2 |
| 02:34.52 | derric | With iptables is there a way to specifiy the dhcp address for the machine as the -d address of the INPUT chain? |
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| 02:35.16 | rudi_s | zutme: It should be main contrib non-free |
| 02:35.21 | doublehp | what is the light version of firefox ? |
| 02:35.29 | rudi_s | doublehp: Light? |
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| 02:35.54 | doublehp | smaller to install, less RAM required |
| 02:36.13 | derric | doublehp: Epiphany |
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| 02:38.31 | zutme | rudi_s, yeah that got it. Was it the order that was significant there? or was it non-free instead of nonfree? |
| 02:38.35 | forero | hi |
| 02:38.47 | rudi_s | zutme: I'm not sure, I guess non-free vs. nonfree, but haven't tested it. |
| 02:38.58 | doublehp | derric: thank you |
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| 02:39.13 | rudi_s | Hi. |
| 02:39.25 | forero | I was rapped by my family |
| 02:39.33 | forero | do you want to be my friends? |
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| 02:41.10 | zutme | rudi_s, Thanks so much for setting me straight. |
| 02:41.25 | rudi_s | You're welcome. |
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| 02:42.09 | derric | doublechp: It does most of what firefox will do. |
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| 02:47.29 | OldParr | how do i remove all third party packages from my system ? |
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| 02:49.52 | OldParr | how do i remove all third party packages from my system ? |
| 02:50.44 | rudi_s | OldParr: Try apt-forktracer, but it only tracks versions - if you've installed the same version from a third party repository it won't detect it AFAIK. |
| 02:51.32 | derric | How do I list what DHCP address was given to my machine? |
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| 02:56.09 | alazare619-1 | test? |
| 02:56.54 | alazare619-1 | can neone see this im on my phone |
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| 02:58.20 | alazare619 | test test |
| 02:58.42 | OldParr | i think it is easier to download the installation media of squeeze and install it from the begining than upgrading lenny to squezze |
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| 03:00.32 | alazare619 | ne one have ne idea why when i netinst debian it didnt give me a enviorment or login manager i had to install xfce and gdm by hand found that odd |
| 03:00.56 | alazare619 | and also why on a fresh install i couldnt backport libre office to squeeze |
| 03:01.06 | alazare619 | from debian backports |
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| 03:04.27 | alazare619 | Is no one talking |
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| 03:09.21 | BatBlaster | I have an sd card mounted as media/DAVIDSD2_ How would I use dd to make a disk image |
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| 03:11.36 | iluminator101 | do you have call iptables script to start or does it start automatically when iptables start |
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| 03:31.16 | jason404 | how do I rediect crontab emails to null? |
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| 03:31.49 | jason404 | is it &> /dev/null or >& /dev/null, or what? neither of those seem to work |
| 03:32.12 | jason404 | and what about not redirecting errors? is it > /dev/null ? |
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| 03:33.25 | gnarface | jason404: [command] > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 03:33.40 | gnarface | jason404: you'd do well to read the bash manual at gnu.org |
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| 03:34.29 | jason404 | gnarface: thanks. wand what about only redirecting stdout? |
| 03:34.30 | gnarface | jason404: reading up on crontab wouldn't hurt either. if you redirect all the cron jobs outputs to somewhere then it doesn't even try to send an email |
| 03:34.51 | gnarface | jason404: [command] >/dev/null |
| 03:34.59 | jason404 | thank you |
| 03:35.01 | BatBlaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.09 | gnarface | jason404: ^^ this will only redirect stdout. 2>&1 adds stderr to that |
| 03:35.27 | jason404 | ok |
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| 03:37.21 | gnarface | jason404: ">[target]" implies "1>[target]", and 1 is stdout. 2 is sterr and &1 means "where you just redirected 1" ... you could also send stdout and stderr to separate places, and there are also other available pipes, 1 and 2 are just the most commonly used ones. like i said, you'd do well to read the bash manual |
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| 03:38.11 | jason404 | gnarface: got it, thanks. > in my notes |
| 03:38.20 | rypervenche | Please don't bite my head off, but would [command] 2>&1 /dev/null work too, or does it have to go at the end? |
| 03:38.59 | jason404 | that didn't work whern I tried it, even though it seems to work on other unixes |
| 03:39.20 | gnarface | rypervenche: havent' tried but i'd assume NO, since the & implies a previous redirection, which in your case there wasn't |
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| 03:39.47 | rypervenche | Gotcha. And &> is the same as 2>&1 in later versions, correct? |
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| 03:40.13 | gnarface | rypervenche: that i can't tell you for sure. my knowledge is primarily about bash shell behavior, which isn't 100% universal - there are other popular shells |
| 03:40.20 | rypervenche | I think I'll read up on this again, it's been a while. |
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| 03:42.18 | gnarface | rypervenche, jason404: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html (keep in mind that this is bash, not dash, sh, csh, zsh or korn... they all have their own docs) |
| 03:43.37 | jason404 | gnarface: but doesn't debian actually use dash for system stuff? |
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| 03:44.05 | gnarface | jason404: now it does for non-system shells, but only if you say "yes" to a specific config option |
| 03:44.17 | gnarface | jason404: er, non-interactive shells i meant (system stuff) |
| 03:44.18 | jason404 | ic |
| 03:44.31 | gnarface | dash is faster but lacks a lot of the features |
| 03:44.42 | gnarface | its for non-interactive shells |
| 03:44.53 | jason404 | so I woudl have thought crontab would be incuded as non-interactive |
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| 03:45.03 | gnarface | interesting question |
| 03:45.11 | bfig | hello, i want to chroot with a very lightweight version of i386 debian (32 bits) to compile some stuff. What is the most lightweight stable version i can find and in which repository can i find it? |
| 03:46.17 | gnarface | jason404: i'm not sure whether it would or not, but i think that if you check the cron man pages that there is a way to set the mailto address for any output as well as a way to set the shell used if you want something other than default... can't remember for sure though you'll have to check |
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| 03:46.32 | jason404 | ok |
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| 03:49.42 | gnarface | bfig: theres only ONE 'stable' version. its currently called squeeze. |
| 03:50.21 | gnarface | bfig: and it should exist in *every* official repository (there are dozens) |
| 03:50.34 | bfig | gnarface, i'm a newbie, so i don't know much, but i want to use this for a very specific purpose (compiling gcc for 32 bits with libgcrypt) |
| 03:50.55 | bfig | i've only used ubuntu so far, please don't kick me :) |
| 03:51.40 | bfig | ok, going to look for squeeze debian then, thanks :) |
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| 03:53.54 | gnarface | bfig: i can't even kick you. nobody will as long as you 1) keep it on topic 2) don't troll |
| 03:54.22 | gnarface | bfig: squeeze is the way you want to go. you want to read the debootstrap manpage so you know how to install it in a chroot easily. |
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| 03:54.49 | gnarface | bfig: and if you don't know chroot it would help to read its manpage too |
| 03:55.04 | bfig | i'm not sure i understand something about chroot though, i just read it changes the root directory of all current processes |
| 03:55.20 | gnarface | yea |
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| 03:55.30 | bfig | isn't that locking the wrapping os completely? |
| 03:55.38 | bfig | ie, that you can't access till you reboot? |
| 03:55.49 | gnarface | no, it only does that for the current terminal |
| 03:55.59 | Zapador | Trying to execute " java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar mcs.jar nogui" i get error No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but the program performed an operation which requires it. Have tried googling, no luck... 4 hours later :-\ |
| 03:56.17 | jason404 | bfig: why don't you run it in a VM? |
| 03:56.41 | bfig | jason404, what do you mean? run what on a VM? squeeze? |
| 03:56.46 | gnarface | bfig: no, it only does that for the current terminal. new terminals you open or old ones already opened prior to that you'll still be in the "wrapping os" context by default, unless you chroot in them too |
| 03:56.48 | jason404 | yeah |
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| 03:57.25 | gnarface | bfig: and also your chroot still uses the "wrapping os" kernel (host system, we call it) regardless of what you put inside it |
| 03:57.27 | saganbyte | Hi |
| 03:57.29 | bfig | i guess it is not a half bad idea... but i am just needing an easy way to compile 32 bits with some operative system libraries |
| 03:57.37 | gnarface | bfig: and don't use a vm. that's overkill if you just need to compile shit |
| 03:57.42 | bfig | a VM needs me to ssh stuff back and forth... |
| 03:57.43 | gnarface | jason404: a VM is overkill for his purposes |
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| 03:57.59 | bfig | the purpose is to compile for a vm, as paradoxic as it sounds >_> |
| 03:58.11 | saganbyte | Can anybody please help me with wireless setup on a debian 6 install? i ve been an ubuntu user and thought i d try debian |
| 03:58.17 | gnarface | jason404: he doesn't need to emulate a whole separate network node, he just needs to emulate a different userland environment - that's *exactly* what chroot is for |
| 03:58.28 | bfig | i can't compile on that vm because i can't use apt-get for some reason, it crashes the thing. i'm using netkit to do some network security testing |
| 03:58.28 | jason404 | ok |
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| 03:59.13 | bfig | i'm not sure why it crashes, but i haven't been able to solve it, besides this is very useful to have, in general |
| 03:59.19 | gnarface | bfig: chroots are really the easiest way to do it, and once you understand one chroot command and one debootstrap command, it will seem so simple as to be laughable |
| 03:59.53 | bfig | that's what everyone says, i'm a pussy with this OS rooted commands :p |
| 04:00.15 | gnarface | remember it CURRENT TERMINAL CONTEXT only |
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| 04:00.51 | gnarface | keep an eye on your PROMPT (by default it should be a good indicator of which system you are currently in the root of) |
| 04:00.52 | bfig | ok. so i should create a folder, then debootstrap, then chroot to that debootstrapped folder, right? |
| 04:00.58 | gnarface | yea pretty much |
| 04:01.01 | gnarface | chroot /bin/bash |
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| 04:01.08 | N-I-L | gnarface: would you consider jailkit to be a valid option as well? |
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| 04:01.25 | bfig | ok. gonna get myself a repo then.... |
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| 04:02.14 | gnarface | N-I-L: never used it, but probably. i've used "jails" in freebsd before, just briefly and they fit the bill just fine. jailkit is the same thing right? just a set of automation scripts for chroot/debootstrap, right? |
| 04:03.05 | N-I-L | yea its more automated. |
| 04:03.27 | bfig | i really wouldn't mind learning the commands and what they do, it's just hard to get good information. fortunately you all are being very helpful :) |
| 04:03.37 | gnarface | N-I-L: perfectly valid probably then (not that i can say from personal experience) i just like doing things the hard way because i like to understand whats going on under the hood |
| 04:03.55 | N-I-L | cuts out a lot of the tedious set up. |
| 04:04.33 | N-I-L | gnarface: i dont blame you. |
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| 04:12.45 | bfig | so this would be correct, standing on .. of the to-be-chroot folder? debootstrap --arch i386 --include libgcrypt squeeze ./chroot32b http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 04:13.01 | bfig | (sudo debootstrap) |
| 04:14.04 | LiENUS | will debian do a pure ipv6 install yet? |
| 04:14.09 | LiENUS | lan has nativeish ipv6 |
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| 04:17.57 | bfig | gnarface, sorry to bother you, but i'm afraid to run that line without you telling me it is correct >_> :p |
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| 04:19.53 | bfig | bah, i'm gonna just man up and paste that command... |
| 04:19.54 | gnarface | bfig: damn man i'd have to read the man page, its not like i memorize that shit, but it looks normal |
| 04:20.08 | EiejJ | Hi. Anyone here have any expertise with housing construction and health physics? If so, mind messaging me in private? I pay for useful words. |
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| 04:21.14 | sagarchalise | HIi I am using debian testing and nm-applet shows a memory of about 500MB. Is there somekind of memory leak in nm-applet ? |
| 04:21.18 | bfig | mmm, it says 'cannot install into target, mounted with noexec or nodev' |
| 04:21.33 | gnarface | bfig: does the target directory exist? |
| 04:21.43 | bfig | i also have permission denied to 'target-dev-test-null' |
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| 04:22.08 | gnarface | bfig: that directory exists and is writeable by your user, right? |
| 04:22.19 | bfig | you mean by root? i sudoed that command |
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| 04:23.08 | bfig | but i have permissions for this user i think |
| 04:23.25 | bfig | root is the owner but it is 777 |
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| 04:24.05 | gnarface | bfig: hang on |
| 04:24.12 | gnarface | !chroot howto |
| 04:24.13 | dpkg | [chroot howto] Tony White's simple guide to confining shell users to their home directories. It's at -- http://www.tjw.org/chroot-login-HOWTO |
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| 04:24.17 | gnarface | !debootstrap howto |
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| 04:24.34 | bfig | chroot-login-HOWTO not found |
| 04:25.06 | gnarface | bfig: what if you change "--arch i386 --include libgcrypt" with "--arch=i386 --include=libgcrypt" ? |
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| 04:25.17 | bfig | gonna try |
| 04:25.25 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: how do you notice it uses 500MB of memory ? |
| 04:25.48 | sagarchalise | valdyn_: through taskmanager |
| 04:25.53 | bfig | can i paste the error through pm gnarface ? |
| 04:26.01 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: what is the column header? |
| 04:26.34 | sagarchalise | My memory usage went above 1.5 GB when I was sitting idle on dektop |
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| 04:26.48 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: thats another topic |
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| 04:27.16 | sagarchalise | valdyn_: noob here column header ?? |
| 04:27.19 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: were at the column in your taskmanager you see 500MB for nm-applet at, which is it? |
| 04:27.40 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: which program is that task-manager really? |
| 04:28.08 | gnarface | bfig: paste it through pastebin so everyone can see it. there's always a chance someone else may know the answer |
| 04:28.16 | sagarchalise | valdyn_: lxtask |
| 04:28.32 | Zapador | Trying to run a .jar file but getting "Could not initialize class sun.awt.X11GraphicsEnvironment". Have tried googling for hours, but sadly as a newbie to Linux I am still lost as what to do. Could someone please try to help me out? Thx :) |
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| 04:29.41 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: ok, processes are listed in lines, one below each other in that taskmanager. one column shows cpu, one rss, etc |
| 04:29.48 | bfig | gnarface, http://pastebin.com/srtQjDgR |
| 04:30.03 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: what is the column where you see the "Memory" |
| 04:30.31 | sagarchalise | valdyn_: rss one |
| 04:30.57 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: ok, nm-applet shouldnt have 500mb rss, thats broken, theres a leak |
| 04:32.08 | sagarchalise | valdyn_: is it some kind of bug or am I only one facing this issue? Do you know what may be the cause ? I use xfce by the way |
| 04:32.09 | gnarface | bfig: is the partition that chroot32b directory exists on mounted with noexec or nodev as it claims? it seems the error is a pretty specific accusation of you having done so |
| 04:32.26 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: a leak is by definition a bug |
| 04:32.37 | bfig | gnarface, ok, i mounted the partition manually and added it to some initialization file of some sorts that i can't remember |
| 04:33.05 | gnarface | bfig: you mean /etc/fstab? pastebin us the output of 'mount' |
| 04:33.08 | bfig | maybe i should just use the main partition. i'm changing the dir, there is really no reason this should go here |
| 04:33.27 | bfig | i'll change partition, see if that changes antyhing |
| 04:33.28 | gnarface | bfig: pastebin us the output of 'mount' |
| 04:33.32 | bfig | ok |
| 04:34.12 | bfig | http://pastebin.com/EvqhqXaj |
| 04:34.27 | valdyn_ | sagarchalise: doesnt really matter who is seeing the issue as long as just you are. This program should never use 500MB rss. Feel free to report the bug. I don't know the code or what exactly is wrong with it |
| 04:34.44 | SkilZ | Is there any way to run a command so if it dies it runs again |
| 04:35.17 | SkilZ | like If I want to run conky and it dies or I kill it, it respawns |
| 04:35.29 | sagarchalise | valdyn_: oh ok . Thanks |
| 04:36.34 | gnarface | bfig: yep, you mounted /home/bfig/Data with nodev. the error message from debootstrap clearly tells you that's not gonna work (the chroot will need its own dev nodes, so nodev blocks it) |
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| 04:36.46 | gnarface | bfig: you really couldn't figure that out by basic obsevation? |
| 04:37.04 | gnarface | bfig: how did you even get those mount options in the first place? they're not the defaults |
| 04:37.05 | bfig | i told you i'm a newbie :( |
| 04:37.27 | bfig | i have like 40 partitions, that was default for a non primary partition |
| 04:37.42 | bfig | or something like that... it is not bootable as far as i understand, i remember it now |
| 04:38.03 | gnarface | bfig: that sounds weird and fantastic to me. i'm missing something here, but i suggest you just recieved bad advice somewhere along the line |
| 04:38.26 | bfig | ie, it's 4 bootable partitions and one 'virtual something' |
| 04:38.33 | bfig | that has inside two more partitions :p |
| 04:38.45 | gnarface | bfig: is this a virtual server? |
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| 04:38.56 | Zapador | I have asked a question in here several times over the past 3-4 hours, with no answer at all. Could someone maybe tell me if I need to specify the question to get help or if theres something else I do wrong? Getting quite desperate here, sorry for the bother. |
| 04:38.59 | bfig | no idea what that is gnarface |
| 04:39.00 | gnarface | bfig: by "this" i mean the "wrapping os" or host system |
| 04:39.23 | bfig | em... i don't think so |
| 04:39.24 | gnarface | bfig: well lets start with price ranges. if you're paying less than about 40 USD per month, its probably a virtual system |
| 04:39.33 | bfig | this is actually my laptop |
| 04:39.38 | gnarface | bfig: oh. no then |
| 04:39.42 | gnarface | bfig: pastebin your /etc/fstab |
| 04:39.46 | bfig | which i have set up as a horrible dual boot with a sharing folder |
| 04:40.59 | bfig | gnarface, http://pastebin.com/mNiCUEJf |
| 04:41.12 | wols_ | Zapador: whatever you want to run needs X. if it's a remote server only, youmight want to use remote X. /msg dpkg remote X |
| 04:41.13 | gnarface | Zapador: read the /topic, it clearly states the answer to your question specifically; don't ask to ask, just ask and be patient. if anyone paying attention *knows* they might answer. if nobody answers chances are nobody around currently actually knows |
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| 04:41.47 | wols_ | Zapador: sorry, better yet, use /msg dpkg sshx |
| 04:42.09 | bfig | gnarface, don't worry about that particular error, i can move the folder fine... i thought it was going to be much heavier but it's actually barely a mb |
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| 04:42.31 | wols_ | but on the system you run putty on, you need an X server |
| 04:43.13 | gnarface | bfig: well you don't have to move it. the solution looks pretty obvious here. remove the 'nodev' from line 11 of your fstab (just like the debootstrap error infers that you should) and it will work. |
| 04:43.30 | gnarface | bfig: i should clarify, remove it then remount that partition |
| 04:43.48 | Zapador | Thanks wols_, but thing is I dont need any GUI, and program is supposed to run as "nogui" but still gives me that error. That is what makes me.. wonder where the actual problem is. |
| 04:43.49 | gnarface | bfig: changes to fstab take effect at mount time, not realtime |
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| 04:44.22 | bfig | gnarface, isn't that going to be a problem with my huge amount of partitions? i thought nodev was necessary when it was on this last 'only data' partition of partitions |
| 04:45.36 | bfig | in any case, i'm going to go for /var/chroot32b now |
| 04:46.08 | bfig | i'm having a problem with the repo, the fact is i don't know where should i point to, the url or some folder inside? (pastebin to follow in a min |
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| 04:46.20 | gnarface | bfig: 1) you're on a laptop. this type of optimization for loads is irrelevant to you. 2) "huge amount" of partitions you do NOT have... the output of your mount command shows that quite plainly 3) as far as i know all 'nodev' does for you is prevent your chroot jail from having its own /dev, which it needs to simply work. so if /var/chroot32b lacks those mount restrictions, have fun. |
| 04:47.12 | bfig | http://pastebin.com/PDfjy9yw <- current error, repository related |
| 04:47.17 | gnarface | bfig: which mirror is optimal depends on your locale. ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ is a good safe bet if you're anywhere near north america |
| 04:47.47 | bfig | pffft why does it say http before ftp... |
| 04:48.02 | wols_ | Zapador: it clarly needs a gui or it wouldn't ask for "display". are you using java -jar <file.jar>? |
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| 04:48.36 | bfig | cool, working :D |
| 04:48.45 | gnarface | bfig: it supports both. it hardly matters. it might choke if ftp.us.debian.org is being currently updated though. check the main sources list page for options and mirror statuses: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 04:49.14 | gnarface | bfig: oh good. its installing? |
| 04:49.15 | bfig | i wrote it wrong... the /cd at the end |
| 04:49.30 | gnarface | bfig: ah. well good luck to you. time for me to go eat. |
| 04:49.31 | bfig | it's installing beautifully :) |
| 04:49.38 | bfig | thanks for all the help :) |
| 04:49.39 | Zapador | wols_ > Yes, its a .jar file. I had it running earlier, then decided to reinstall the server. Now I *think* i go through the same simple process but it won't run. Maybe I should try and explain in slightly more detail what I want to do? |
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| 04:51.31 | bfig | pfftt. failed on the libgcrypt... couldn't find debs. guess gonna remove that line and then find a way to install it once i have the chroot ready |
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| 04:53.06 | gnarface | bfig: once you have the chroot ready you can just chroot into it and edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update and apt-get install whatever the hell you want as if it was a normal debian system |
| 04:53.22 | Zapador | wols_ > Debian 6.0 squeeze 64 minimal. Nothing at all installed, except from what mentioned here. I am connected using Putty under Win7. Installed java 1.6.0_26. Then downloaded mcs.jar (Minecraft server) and trying to run it. First it gave me an error "No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it." Googled the problem and did export DISPLAY:=0.0, |
| 04:53.22 | Zapador | as ppl suggested. Not getting another error "could not initialize X11" |
| 04:53.23 | gnarface | bfig: now i really gotta go eat |
| 04:53.23 | bfig | gnarface, great :) |
| 04:53.37 | bfig | gnarface, have a good time, thanks for everything :) |
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| 04:53.42 | gnarface | bfig: np. |
| 04:54.05 | Zapador | Now* getting another.... |
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| 04:56.38 | SkilZ | Is there any way to run a command so if it dies it runs again??? |
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| 04:56.46 | SkilZ | respawn |
| 04:56.58 | SkilZ | my conky keeps dying |
| 04:58.36 | dondelelcaro | SkilZ: while sleep 1; do ./foo; done; |
| 04:58.54 | Zapador | SkilZ -> This might be helpful: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/red-hat-31/automatically-restart-killed-process-677734/ |
| 05:00.22 | dondelelcaro | you can also do more complicated things like while sleep 10s; do pkill -0 fooproc || ( fooproc >/dev/null 2>& 1 & ) &; done; or similar... |
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| 05:15.55 | jason404 | gnarface: I am still getting cron emails with > /dev/null at the end of the line |
| 05:16.04 | jason404 | and they are not errors |
| 05:16.32 | jason404 | unless curl's output is to stderr |
| 05:17.11 | Sanjuro | you try >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 05:17.15 | Sanjuro | ? |
| 05:17.44 | Sanjuro | thats how mine is setup and it stopped emailing me |
| 05:17.52 | jason404 | Sanjuro: won't that redirect stderr as well? |
| 05:18.18 | Sanjuro | got me there, not sure. |
| 05:19.00 | jason404 | I think it does |
| 05:19.08 | Dewi | yeah, usually not a good idea |
| 05:19.19 | Dewi | but what are you actually getting sent jason404 ? |
| 05:19.26 | jason404 | but > /dev/null should be redirecting stdout, but it does not seem to be |
| 05:19.39 | jason404 | curl's output |
| 05:19.57 | jason404 | % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current, etc |
| 05:20.01 | Dewi | jason404: hang on, are you expecting cron not to send you stdout? |
| 05:20.08 | jason404 | yeah |
| 05:20.27 | Dewi | jason404: that's not curl's output, curl's output is a http response |
| 05:20.36 | Dewi | jason404: yes, curl prints that stuff to stderr |
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| 05:21.01 | Dewi | (this: % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current) |
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| 05:21.13 | jason404 | curl's output is being sent to file with -o |
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| 05:22.42 | Dewi | jason404: use -sS |
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| 05:22.46 | jason404 | Dewi: so are you sure that curl's output, when the http resplonse is sent to file with -o, is sent through stderr? why would it do that? |
| 05:23.20 | Dewi | jason404: because that's what it always does |
| 05:23.38 | Dewi | jason404: the only thing sent to stdout is the actual response |
| 05:23.45 | Dewi | and if that's redirected, nothing |
| 05:23.46 | jason404 | -Ss, yeah that should work by the look of it |
| 05:24.33 | jason404 | well, I do get the log figures, and they are getting emailed to me |
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| 05:27.59 | jason404 | okay Dewi, I think that should work, thanks |
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| 05:57.25 | lilith | hi |
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| 06:00.58 | lilith | I'm installed Debian and just noticed the D-I has a "Laptop" software section |
| 06:02.36 | lilith | I'm used to installing a basic cli install and installing X and printing facilities over that to save on size. Anyone know if the Laptop section is large or has any distinct advantage over doing installing laptop specific things post install oneself? |
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| 06:13.07 | Dewi | lilith: you can investigate & add it later using tasksel |
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| 06:14.12 | Dewi | lilith: http://pastie.org/2420803 |
| 06:15.27 | lilith | I let it psas and will instal the necessary bits by hand. I'm installing onto a mac so it's bound to be hardware specific anyway |
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| 06:21.03 | lilith | it's asking me to install onto the MBR. I assume that's a no no on a mac |
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| 06:23.09 | lilith | because it'll override teh hybrid partition |
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| 06:36.37 | jbeatty | I'm an Arch user interested in switching (back) to Debian, can any patient user explain what makes Debian's packaging system superior to Arch's easy PKGBUILD system? |
| 06:37.12 | th0r | jbeatty: if you are switching back, you should be able to answer that yourself |
| 06:37.30 | jelly-home | jbeatty: well, that would imply knowledge of both |
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| 06:37.55 | ItBlends | jbeatty, would that really be the deciding factor for you? |
| 06:37.59 | jbeatty | th0r: always been a user, and still prefer Debian for use, but I've maintained Arch packages. Debian's system intimidates me, so I know little about it. |
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| 06:38.08 | ItBlends | I think the real big difference between the two distros is release policy |
| 06:38.33 | jbeatty | ItBlends: No, but I'd like to maintain packages since I like being part of a community. |
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| 06:39.11 | jelly-home | jbeatty: http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian#Utility_and_usability |
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| 06:41.21 | streuner | Debian's package system is only for newbies a little bit different, IMO |
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| 06:44.30 | ataouli | 大家好 |
| 06:45.42 | streuner | jbeatty: but why do you want change, as ItBlends, for most of us is DFSG behind an important reason to use Debian... |
| 06:45.43 | ItBlends | Da "something" Hao |
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| 06:46.29 | streuner | s/as ItBlends/as ItBlends already mentioned/ |
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| 06:49.45 | jbeatty | streuner: I'm a big libre geek. I actually have been running and helping with Parabola, a libre Arch, although it hasn't been so friendly recently, so I wanted another philosophy-heavy community. |
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| 06:50.54 | jelly-home | !zh |
| 06:50.54 | dpkg | Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo! |
| 06:51.03 | simonlnu | here's a good place/distro. and there's libre people in debian |
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| 06:52.00 | dondelelcaro | jbeatty: the debian package build system is pretty simple too, it's just different |
| 06:52.35 | dondelelcaro | jbeatty: if you want to see how simple it can be, check out how perl modules are packaged by the Perl packaging team |
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| 06:54.08 | jbeatty | Aren't Perl packages done a separate way though? |
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| 06:54.29 | dondelelcaro | jbeatty: nope |
| 06:54.44 | dondelelcaro | jbeatty: everything uses the same packaging system |
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| 06:55.04 | dondelelcaro | there are tons of helpers to extend the packaging system, but the packaging system is the same for everything |
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| 07:07.35 | aminpy | is there any app or ... for comparing two files with each other? |
| 07:08.22 | simonlnu | it's called diff |
| 07:08.32 | simonlnu | there's a gtk one called meld |
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| 07:09.47 | aminpy | simonlnu, thanks |
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| 07:12.05 | lilith | I think wajig (for Debian) has simplified everything by unifyingsyntax of multiple deb tools |
| 07:12.21 | lilith | anyways'good night everyone |
| 07:12.45 | lilith | I plan to finish my install tomorrow! |
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| 07:22.40 | FreezingCold | How small can I get a Debian LiveCD down to without any window manager? |
| 07:23.07 | gnarface | jbeatty: its about package selection, not the system itself. debian just has better QA |
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| 07:23.42 | streuner | FreezingCold: in order to do what? |
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| 07:23.58 | FreezingCold | streuner: Just run gpg, that's all |
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| 07:24.13 | FreezingCold | And use a USB storage device |
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| 07:26.18 | FreezingCold | streuner: I noticed DSL is under 60 |
| 07:26.19 | FreezingCold | mb |
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| 07:29.28 | streuner | FreezingCold: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ ? |
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| 07:31.55 | streuner | debian-live-6.0.1-i386-standard.iso 24-Mar-2011 08:28 274M |
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| 07:34.50 | streuner | FreezingCold: http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 07:35.51 | streuner | FreezingCold: well, grml might be interesting too |
| 07:36.27 | streuner | FreezingCold: grml is debian based and a minimal version exists |
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| 07:52.58 | Sonne | greetings! |
| 07:53.29 | Sonne | i fell a bit behind on this, and can't find recent enough "official" documentation - are there guidelines for packaging a redistributable kernel image for a single architecture? |
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| 07:55.36 | nsadmin | redistributable in what sense? |
| 07:56.19 | Sonne | made well enough to be put in an unofficial repository :) |
| 07:56.55 | nsadmin | you could look into the package kernel-package and the script it contains, make-kpkg |
| 07:57.12 | Sonne | aha, so that's still the best way to do that |
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| 07:58.55 | Sonne | for example, i was pointed to this --> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage <-- by a friend of mine who said that make-kpkg was deprecated, but that method looks a lot less flexible to me - that's why i was a bit confused |
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| 08:00.02 | nsadmin | well let's see... |
| 08:00.12 | nsadmin | , versions kernel-package |
| 08:00.14 | judd | Package kernel-package on i386 -- lenny: 11.015; sid: 12.036+nmu1; squeeze: 12.036+nmu1; wheezy: 12.036+nmu1 |
| 08:00.27 | nsadmin | alive and well. |
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| 08:01.33 | yang___ | what is the best manual to setup shockwave for wheezy+chromium? |
| 08:03.13 | streuner | yang___: /msg dpkg flash |
| 08:03.17 | yang___ | ok |
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| 08:03.50 | Sonne | nsadmin, cheers |
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| 08:04.30 | nsadmin | Sonne, don't forget to modulize as much as you can and to put --initrd on the make-kpkg cmd lin |
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| 08:05.04 | m3lvin | Hi, I just received a new work/test server and I've been using Debian close to 2 years and it's been great except that I often need to compile packages that are not in the repositories and that tends to mess up my installation. Is there a way to avoid this, or is it that Debian is not suitable for my use? |
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| 08:05.49 | FreezingCold | What's the safest way to restart OpenSSH? I'm connecting over SSH btw. |
| 08:06.45 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: /etc/init.d/sshd restart, it should not disconnect your session |
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| 08:07.04 | FreezingCold | Do I need to run it as root? |
| 08:07.29 | FreezingCold | /etc/init.d/sshd: command not found |
| 08:07.37 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: use sudo |
| 08:07.58 | FreezingCold | only ssh is there |
| 08:08.00 | FreezingCold | no sshd |
| 08:08.14 | FreezingCold | maybe that's why x11 forwarding doesn't work anymore? |
| 08:08.16 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: ssh then, my mistake |
| 08:08.36 | FreezingCold | Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) |
| 08:08.36 | FreezingCold | utility, e.g. service ssh restart |
| 08:08.48 | FreezingCold | Did it work or not? |
| 08:09.18 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: sudo service ssh restart works also |
| 08:09.36 | FreezingCold | Does it reload the config files? |
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| 08:10.39 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: if there was no error messages it worked, it reloaded the new config files but they are not applied to your current session, I think you'll need to disconnect and connect |
| 08:10.57 | FreezingCold | OOOOMG |
| 08:10.59 | FreezingCold | It works!! |
| 08:11.00 | FreezingCold | Yayyyy! |
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| 08:11.02 | FreezingCold | Thankkk you! |
| 08:11.13 | FreezingCold | I did need to disconnect =) |
| 08:11.28 | FreezingCold | I've spent so long trying to fix it I forgot how I messed it up =P |
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| 08:12.12 | FreezingCold | wait |
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| 08:12.23 | FreezingCold | it messes up when I run startx! |
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| 08:13.28 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: what does it say? and are you using "ssh -X user@server" (note the -X flag) |
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| 08:14.44 | FreezingCold | PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY |
| 08:14.44 | FreezingCold | X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedPuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attemptedError: cannot open display: localhost:10.0 |
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| 08:15.53 | FreezingCold | After that I can no longer use X11 |
| 08:15.54 | FreezingCold | god! |
| 08:15.56 | FreezingCold | This sucks! |
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| 08:17.07 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: You're config has x11 forwarding enabled I'm assuming... It's been a while since I've used Putty so you'd best ask someone who know better but I remember having to enter the IP address in Putty's configuration to remove this error once. |
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| 08:18.12 | FreezingCold | Well, after removing /home/david/.Xauthority* and logging in three times (once to find out it's missing, once to make a new one and once to actually use it) it works again |
| 08:18.15 | FreezingCold | But not startx |
| 08:18.24 | FreezingCold | Just running stuff like Firefox |
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| 08:19.47 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: how about running xinit instead of startx? Is there any difference? |
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| 08:20.11 | FreezingCold | I have not tried |
| 08:20.19 | FreezingCold | Would I need to run it as root? |
| 08:20.31 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: |
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| 08:20.42 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: no |
| 08:20.55 | FreezingCold | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 08:20.58 | FreezingCold | bad idea |
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| 08:21.22 | FreezingCold | looks like 1:1 with the error I got with startx |
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| 08:23.41 | simonlnu | better to run startx. it does the right thing |
| 08:23.48 | FreezingCold | still gets me the same error |
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| 08:24.07 | FreezingCold | I have to delete /home/user/.Xauthority* |
| 08:26.00 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: ok, well I can't offer more help as I don't have Putty nor Debian in front of me at the moment, hope someone else with more knowledge helps you out. |
| 08:26.17 | FreezingCold | Actually I am 90% sure this isn't a putty issue |
| 08:26.22 | FreezingCold | It's a xwin issue |
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| 08:28.37 | simonlnu | well you don't need to run startx to run firefox |
| 08:28.46 | simonlnu | no if it's ssh x forwarding |
| 08:28.49 | simonlnu | not* |
| 08:29.14 | simonlnu | you just run it from the remote system, and should connect to your local x server |
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| 08:30.23 | FreezingCold | I know, but I want to run Fluxbox |
| 08:30.31 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: Also since you can launch individual apps I suppose what you want is to launch your desktop environment, try launching gdm or gnome-desktop (not sure if it was gnome-desktop or something else) |
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| 08:32.44 | simonlnu | FreezingCold: that you run locally |
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| 08:33.02 | simonlnu | not from remote. you don't run the wm from remote. there's no need for it |
| 08:33.03 | FreezingCold | Actually I just tried that, seems to *almost* work |
| 08:33.14 | FreezingCold | I get another window manager already running on display localhost:10.0 |
| 08:33.24 | FreezingCold | But I set display to localhost:0.0 already |
| 08:33.32 | simonlnu | because you ran startx |
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| 08:33.37 | simonlnu | from remote |
| 08:33.45 | simonlnu | like i said, no need for that |
| 08:33.48 | FreezingCold | I did? :% |
| 08:33.57 | FreezingCold | But I want Fluxbox over SSH! |
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| 08:34.38 | FreezingCold | Actually turns out localhost:10.0 is correct! |
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| 08:38.19 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: try launching fluxbox without startx |
| 08:38.24 | FreezingCold | I did |
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| 08:38.40 | FreezingCold | It says that another Window Manager is already running on my display |
| 08:38.46 | FreezingCold | Which is most likely true, it's xming |
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| 08:40.51 | simonlnu | xming is not the wm, it's the x server |
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| 08:41.23 | simonlnu | unless it spawns a wm, you won't be having one. |
| 08:41.27 | simonlnu | *sigh* |
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| 08:42.31 | bs1 | iam trying to install vmware (as i know its vmware server) and the installscript aborts after the gcc question . is it possible to install older gcc to the system? |
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| 08:44.37 | FreezingCold | simonlnu: You've losted me. All I want to do is get Fluxbox running on my local x server I guess |
| 08:44.56 | FreezingCold | But it claims it's already running one |
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| 08:47.17 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: are you running fluxbox on the server? xming should not include or launch a window manager by default so the problem is probably not with xming |
| 08:47.42 | FreezingCold | Yes, I am trying to run it on the server. Alright, fair enough |
| 08:47.57 | FreezingCold | I actually swapped over to Cygwin and I get the same thing. So I think you're right |
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| 08:48.53 | themill | bs1: /msg dpkg vmware compiler fix; you'll need to tailor the command to your particular situation |
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| 08:49.29 | vyadhaka1 | sorry got disconnected, I created a LV with ext4 and am trying to mount it at /home/user/lv/mount_point, it mounts fine but I do not have permissions to write to it. Right now it's just restricted to the root. Should I just create a sub-folder under /home/user/lv/mount_point/ and change the owner to my user name? |
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| 08:50.05 | simonlnu | FreezingCold: i do that sometimes. sorry about that, it isn't intentional :) |
| 08:50.23 | FreezingCold | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.29 | FreezingCold | So, what do you think I should do next? |
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| 08:52.09 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: I would make sure that the user which you log in through ssh is not running a window manager on the server locally |
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| 08:52.25 | simonlnu | FreezingCold: simple remote x: have running local x server; ssh to remote; start remote app; done |
| 08:52.36 | FreezingCold | I don't think it is, how could I check |
| 08:52.43 | FreezingCold | simonlnu: Yeah, but no eye candy =( |
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| 08:54.47 | sweb | what is the best programm for remove bad sectors from my hard ? |
| 08:54.49 | m3lvin | FreezingCold: You could check out FreeNX |
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| 08:55.22 | simonlnu | the eye candy as you put it is local |
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| 08:55.39 | FreezingCold | I really just want Fluxbox |
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| 08:56.17 | Ellis8 | Hi guys. |
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| 08:57.10 | FreezingCold | simonlnu: Yes, I understand that |
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| 08:57.29 | FreezingCold | m3lvin: I don't really want FreeNX |
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| 08:57.38 | guzu | hello all |
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| 08:57.49 | guzu | how can i install a http server on d6? |
| 08:58.20 | FreezingCold | guzu: sudo apt-get install apache2 |
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| 08:58.39 | guzu | freebird, then restart? |
| 08:58.48 | guzu | or just init.d/httpd start? |
| 08:59.26 | FreezingCold | http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server |
| 08:59.27 | guzu | FreezingCold, ^ |
| 08:59.42 | guzu | FreezingCold, thank you very much |
| 08:59.45 | FreezingCold | np |
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| 09:09.56 | vyadhaka1 | want to create a folder with drwxr-xr-x owned by the user in a folder owned by root, just like /home and /home/user, is this syntax right: sudo mkdir -m 755 folder_name or should I use sudo mkdir -m 6755 folder_name |
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| 09:13.56 | kstati | vyadhaka1, teach what is >6<755, then use mkdir & chown |
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| 09:15.45 | kstati | by the way, 755 is bad solution for homes |
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| 09:15.59 | vyadhaka1 | kstati: sorry I am not following what you mean by "teach what is >6<755" |
| 09:16.30 | vyadhaka1 | kstati: 755 is not he mode of /home but /home/user |
| 09:17.34 | jelly | vyadhaka1: permission bits set to "6755" will not create "drwxr-xr-x" but something a bit different |
| 09:18.35 | kstati | vyadhaka1, 6 is set uid & set gid at execute. do you need it? |
| 09:18.54 | vyadhaka1 | jelly: yes 6755 = drwsr-sr-x |
| 09:21.05 | kstati | vyadhaka1, you try to create root-owned directory and setup dangerous flags. remember flags well be inherited, so every files in new dir has it |
| 09:21.41 | kstati | use mkdir -m 755 dir & chown USER dir |
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| 09:22.18 | jelly | and why not set the group ownership as well |
| 09:22.40 | vyadhaka1 | kstati: I am following the info doc on mkdir, from what I can infer by setting user ID and group ID, anything in the folder will inherit the same permissions, of course I am going to change the ownership, |
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| 09:23.07 | kstati | vyadhaka1, so read manpages for chmod |
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| 09:24.34 | vyadhaka1 | kstati: I am following section 27.4 of coreutils on File permissions |
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| 09:25.40 | xolam | Im stuck trying to dist-upgrade from lenny to wheezy, http://pastie.org/2421430 |
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| 09:25.45 | xolam | Is this even possible? |
| 09:26.13 | themill | xolam: you should upgrade to squeeze first |
| 09:26.53 | themill | and that's not even a lenny kernel... |
| 09:27.15 | themill | 2.6.8 was sarge, wasn't it? |
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| 09:28.49 | jelly | nod |
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| 09:31.55 | xolam | get the same issue after adding squeeze sources |
| 09:32.19 | kstati | vyadhaka1, read chmod manuals for ugs bits. You don't understend it |
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| 09:32.55 | jelly | xolam: you ought to: remove wheezy and squeeze sources. install and boot lenny kernel, then proceed with lenny->squeeze upgrade steps, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 09:34.00 | jelly | might get away with installing and booting a kernel from squeeze, depending on how far you got with the upgrade |
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| 09:35.30 | jelly | skipping releases is not supported because packages usually get rid of workarounds needed for a release->release+1 dist-upgrade in release+2 |
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| 09:46.46 | xolam | dont seem to be able to do anything with apt |
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| 09:50.00 | Zap-W | hi |
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| 09:50.21 | Zap-W | how do I configure the encryption type to use for the block device during squeeze installation |
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| 09:53.33 | xolam | http://pastie.org/2421513 |
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| 09:59.04 | themill | xolam: is this a local machine? do you have backups of your data? (make them...). While I'm sure we could work through this eventually, a upgrading a sarge/etch/lenny mix to wheezy isn't as much fun as it sounds; a fresh install would be easier. |
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| 10:02.01 | xolam | thanks, its not local so I'll probably give up at this point |
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| 10:02.31 | themill | giving with a box in that state doesn't really look like an option |
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| 10:03.32 | xolam | yeah I've been here before :) joys of ILEC land |
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| 10:21.15 | Ellis08 | after a one-year lease, what happens? do you go month to month or sign another year lease? |
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| 10:21.59 | petemc | Ellis08: that doesnt seem very debian related, but in my experience you sign another lease |
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| 10:23.59 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 10:24.17 | Bartzy | I have a server that has a NFS mount in /etc/fstab, but upon restart it doesn't mount it. only after mount -a it gets mounted. why is that ? |
| 10:25.05 | gnarface | Ellis08: depends a lot on what you're leasing |
| 10:25.22 | gnarface | Bartzy: the answer is probably on the very line you refer to |
| 10:25.38 | Bartzy | gnarface: In /etc/fstab? But it works after mount -a. |
| 10:25.47 | gnarface | Bartzy: and...? |
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| 10:26.03 | Bartzy | gnarface: And it doesn't work on boot. |
| 10:26.18 | gnarface | Bartzy: did you even READ the line? i bet you can guess what's causing it |
| 10:26.24 | Bartzy | gnarface: And it works on boot on exactly 9 other servers. |
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| 10:26.54 | Bartzy | web:/var/www/example.com/public/images/user_images /mnt/user_images nfs rw,noatime,acdirmin=0,acdirmax=0 |
| 10:26.56 | Bartzy | This is the line. |
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| 10:28.02 | gnarface | Bartzy: well that blows my theory. maybe nfs is starting before network or something on this one |
| 10:28.14 | Bartzy | gnarface: What was your theory ? |
| 10:28.26 | Bartzy | gnarface: How can I change the order of starting things ? :) |
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| 10:29.39 | joltcan | Bartzy: read up on update-rc.d |
| 10:29.52 | Soehnke | hello, i have a debian 4 there is the /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash in another installation i have a debian 6 there is the /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash did anyone know why? |
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| 10:30.00 | Ragnar | how'd I attach my touchscreen function to openbox? |
| 10:30.05 | gnarface | Bartzy: oh i just figured you'd copied the line from somewhere and blindly included 'noauto' without knowing what it meant. my bad, sorry |
| 10:30.08 | Ragnar | I've installed openbox and Xorg on debian squeeze |
| 10:30.11 | Ragnar | startx works |
| 10:30.12 | joltcan | Soehnke: Dash is sh compatible but uses less resources |
| 10:30.13 | Ragnar | touch doesnt |
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| 10:30.31 | Bartzy | gnarfac, joltcan: Thanks. |
| 10:30.35 | Bartzy | gnarface* |
| 10:30.47 | Soehnke | can i change back when i have scripts who use the bash? |
| 10:30.55 | Soehnke | or there are any problems? |
| 10:31.19 | themill | Soehnke: you change the scripts to correctly call "#!/bin/bash" if they use bash features (or remove the bash-only features) |
| 10:31.25 | themill | dpkg: tell Soehnke about bashism |
| 10:32.42 | joltcan | themill: I'm very impressed with you remembering all the dpkg factoids |
| 10:32.53 | Soehnke | ahhh ok thanks a lot :) |
| 10:33.19 | themill | joltcan: by no means all of the 39000 factoids... :) |
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| 10:35.12 | fbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.28 | fbs | like compile options etc |
| 10:36.23 | themill | dpkg: tell fbs about debian/rules |
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| 10:36.40 | babilen | !tell fbs -about package recompile |
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| 10:38.38 | em | dpkg: tell em about debian/rules |
| 10:38.54 | babilen | em: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 10:39.02 | fbs | ah thanks :) |
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| 10:46.32 | vyadhaka1 | /dev/mapper/vg-lv /mount_point ext4 defaults 0 2 > is this correct for a fstab entry to mount a LV at boot time |
| 10:47.00 | fbs | yeah |
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| 10:49.15 | Kasreyn | anyone in here who knows multistrap? i get error on setting up dash: "No diversion 'diversion of /bin/sh by dash', none removed." how do you fix that? |
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| 10:52.34 | vyadhaka1 | fbs: thanks |
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| 10:53.13 | babilen | Kasreyn: That is not an error - it merely means that no diversion was in place so none could be removed. |
| 10:55.21 | Kasreyn | babilen: http://ideone.com/rOrsM |
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| 10:57.47 | babilen | Kasreyn: What does "dpkg-divert --list /bin/sh" and "readlink -f /bin/sh" give you? |
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| 10:58.48 | themill | Kasreyn: does the suggestion at http://wiki.debian.org/TrimSlice help? |
| 10:58.59 | babilen | Kasreyn: Have you set the /bin/sh symbolic link manually? |
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| 11:02.17 | babilen | Ah, is this a multistrap specific issue? My intuition was http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#shell-diversions |
| 11:03.26 | babilen | But the suggestion seems to be exactly what is needed, ta themill :) |
| 11:03.38 | themill | it hasn't worked yet ;) |
| 11:03.45 | babilen | It will! |
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| 11:06.50 | streuner | !wb |
| 11:06.50 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:06.55 | Kasreyn | babilen: yes, it's multistrap |
| 11:09.19 | Kasreyn | babilen: tested the suggestion from TrimSlice, /var/lib/dpkg/info/dash.preinst fixes the problem |
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| 11:09.36 | babilen | *phew* :) |
| 11:09.49 | Kasreyn | themill: thanks |
| 11:10.23 | themill | np |
| 11:10.54 | Kasreyn | ok but how do I get it to work with multistrap and chroot dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 11:11.51 | Kasreyn | i could run /var/lib/dpkg/info/dash.preinst in chroot i guess but why should I have to? |
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| 11:17.41 | Arafangion | is happy today - awesome debian setup (let down only by two binary blobs). :) |
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| 11:18.19 | themill | Kasreyn: it's clearly a bug and it seems to be a known one based on other reports in the bts but I can't find this specific issue filed against either multistrap or dash. But the multistrap people know about it so presumably it's being worked on or solved ... |
| 11:19.40 | Kasreyn | themill: ok maybe there is a workaround like not installing dash or forcing use of bash? |
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| 11:21.15 | ToreadorVampire | Hey all - say I recently (within the last fortnight) upgraded to a new version of a package and have discovered a bug in that package. I'm reporting it to the upstream bugtracker and I know which version I am AT now but I wonder which version I came from. Because I'm using Debian Testing/wheezy, the package version I used to be at no longer appears in aptitude. Is there a way to view some kind of logged info that shows me which |
| 11:21.15 | ToreadorVampire | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.44 | themill | ToreadorVampire: aptitude keeps good logs of actions. |
| 11:22.02 | themill | (dpkg keeps logs too, but they take a bit more effort to understand) |
| 11:22.18 | ToreadorVampire | themill: I don't think I used aptitude directly for when I upgraded, I think I used apt-get dist-upgrade actually (in fact, I am fairly sure of it) |
| 11:22.34 | ToreadorVampire | I only used aptitude to try hunting for the old version because I prefer it for browsing packages |
| 11:23.07 | themill | ToreadorVampire: have fun picking through /var/log/dpkg.log* then |
| 11:23.31 | ToreadorVampire | themill: Thanks - grep shall be my guide! |
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| 11:25.29 | ToreadorVampire | themill: 2011-08-17 11:16:41 upgrade plasma-desktop 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1 4:4.6.5-2 « We have a winner? This would indicate an upgrade from 4.4.5 to 4.6.5 ? |
| 11:25.53 | ToreadorVampire | Actually, it looks like previously I was using the version from squeeze, I had thought I had an intermediate wheezy version |
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| 11:28.52 | ToreadorVampire | themill: Thanks - that's made it easier to write a useful bug comment. |
| 11:29.06 | themill | np. Happy hunting |
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| 11:41.33 | pbase | I found one peculiar thing in chromium browser. whenever I send a request to any site, I see a uploading(0%) in the status bar.. can anyone explain what's happening? |
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| 11:50.10 | vyadhaka1 | is there a way to label an LVM LV, right now it just comes up as 100 GB filesystem |
| 11:51.00 | jelly | vyadhaka1: you can label a filesystem, not a block device |
| 11:51.53 | jelly | tools to do that are fs-type dependent, eg. e2label for ext2-ext4 family |
| 11:52.11 | vyadhaka1 | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 11:55.32 | skilz_ | What package do I need to 'startx' also the nvidia driver |
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| 11:57.21 | skilz_ | xserver-xorg ? |
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| 11:57.31 | skilz_ | Im gonna use fluxbox |
| 11:57.38 | nsadmin | vyadhaka1, I like to set the LV name |
| 11:57.57 | wols_ | skilz_: /msg dpkg install xorg /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 11:58.04 | nsadmin | like: /dev/volgrp/root and /dev/volgrp/home |
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| 11:58.46 | jelly | well, the lv name is already set to something |
| 11:59.24 | vyadhaka1 | nsadmin: yes I set the name as well but when mounting the file system, it does not use the LV name, I wanted to give it a name |
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| 12:00.00 | jelly | and it doesn't help much that Debian uses generic /dev/dm-* when mounting instead of canonical LVM device paths |
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| 12:00.56 | vyadhaka1 | nsadmin: I just changed the file system label to match the LV name, |
| 12:00.58 | White_R | hi! I'd like to execute 'ntpdate ntp1.inrim.it' each day at 00:00. So, as root (su -) I gave 'crontab -u root -e' and added the line '0 0 * * * ntpdate ntp1.inrim.it'. It fails with '/bin/sh: ntpdate: not found' because the PATH environment variable of cron conains only /bin and /usr/bin. What should I do? should I edit /etc/default/cront ? |
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| 12:01.04 | nsadmin | agreed, that doesn[t help |
| 12:01.28 | themill | White_R: why not just install ntp? |
| 12:01.48 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.52 | p0g0 | White_R: use the full path and executable file name in the cron line. |
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| 12:03.10 | jelly | White_R: or set PATH in the user's crontab |
| 12:03.33 | uosiu | Hi all. How does debian handles circular dependencies? X.deb depends on Y.deb and Y.deb depends on X.deb |
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| 12:04.16 | themill | uosiu: the configuration cycle is broken at an arbitrary point in the cycle. This is covered in policy. |
| 12:04.38 | White_R | themill, p0g0, jelly, using the full path worked :-) |
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| 12:04.46 | themill | White_R: or just install ntp... |
| 12:04.57 | uosiu | themill: Does it mean that apt-get will handle such situation or will exit with error message? |
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| 12:05.30 | themill | uosiu: §7.2 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps . Apt handles these situations; circular dependencies are discouraged. |
| 12:05.39 | uosiu | ok |
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| 12:07.31 | skilz_ | !nvidia dkms |
| 12:07.31 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 12:08.07 | vyadhaka1 | !dpkg |
| 12:08.08 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 12:08.42 | vyadhaka1 | !dpkgbot |
| 12:08.42 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 12:08.45 | skilz_ | With nvidia dkms install the nvidia tool also? |
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| 12:09.51 | wols_ | skilz_: no. thtat's nvidia-settings |
| 12:10.04 | wols_ | !tell vyadhaka1 about msgthebot |
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| 12:10.08 | skilz_ | Thanks |
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| 12:10.53 | vyadhaka1 | wols_: thanks |
| 12:11.14 | skilz_ | wols_: I know, sorry about flooding, im installing a new system and for some reason, I can't alt+f2 to switch windows, it opens a 'run' dialog. |
| 12:11.26 | skilz_ | In irssi that is. |
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| 12:12.29 | alem0lars | I tried to change terminal (Konsole) font to Proggy. However the glyphs are partially overlapped. The same problem happens with almost every font except ProFont and DejaVu. I know it's strange, but how can I solve that? |
| 12:13.12 | skilz_ | mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d': Permission denied |
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| 12:13.26 | jelly | skilz_: be root |
| 12:13.54 | skilz_ | That was duing the nvidia dkms installation, I used sudo |
| 12:14.32 | themill | skilz_: you only ran aptitude with sudo. |
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| 12:15.00 | skilz_ | aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.confaptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg. |
| 12:16.01 | skilz_ | oh shit |
| 12:16.04 | skilz_ | sorry |
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| 12:23.26 | skilz_ | Okay I installed the nvidia dkms and rebooted |
| 12:23.40 | skilz_ | now everything is so big and ugly, the driver didnt install |
| 12:23.46 | skilz_ | all the startup text is so big |
| 12:23.52 | skilz_ | like 640x480 |
| 12:23.57 | skilz_ | and so is xorg |
| 12:23.58 | Arafangion | skilz_: Yep. |
| 12:24.08 | Arafangion | skilz_: Oh, so is xorg? Is xorg using nvidia? |
| 12:24.10 | skilz_ | So what do I do? |
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| 12:24.19 | skilz_ | dont think so |
| 12:24.26 | skilz_ | I run nvidia-settings |
| 12:24.30 | Arafangion | skilz_: That'll be your problem. Ask dpkg for help. |
| 12:24.40 | Arafangion | skilz_: nvidia-settings, iirc, requires nvidia to be used. |
| 12:24.48 | Arafangion | Chicken-and-egg problem. |
| 12:24.57 | skilz_ | and 'You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver" |
| 12:24.58 | Arafangion | skilz_: If you want a nice console as well, use nouveau. |
| 12:25.51 | skilz_ | ask dpkg for what? |
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| 12:27.03 | skilz_ | How do I select the nvida driver to be used in xorg |
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| 12:28.55 | Arafangion | skilz_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 12:28.57 | Sonne | greetings! |
| 12:29.16 | Arafangion | wants to marry dpkg. |
| 12:29.36 | Sonne | anyone knows why linux-image-3.0 breaks initramfs-tools > 0.98? |
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| 12:29.58 | Sonne | *0.99 |
| 12:29.59 | PerfDave | Sonne: What does the bts say? |
| 12:30.06 | Sonne | PerfDave, bts meaning? |
| 12:30.12 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 12:30.12 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 12:30.16 | Sonne | aha |
| 12:30.23 | Sonne | moment, let me check |
| 12:30.33 | mosno | Arafangion, i used to think rpm was easier. i now think it is "simpler" (one spec file) but not easier (underdocumented, awkward macros) |
| 12:30.53 | Arafangion | mosno: No, I mean the bot, here. :) |
| 12:31.11 | mosno | ohhhhhh :) |
| 12:31.12 | Arafangion | mosno: But I do agree - rpm is indeed easier. |
| 12:31.20 | Arafangion | But, rpm is *too* easy, doesn't really do much. |
| 12:31.41 | Arafangion | considered apt for a custom, non-debian distro, but it really wasn't that trivial. |
| 12:31.47 | themill | Sonne, PerfDave: from the package changelog: " * Require initramfs-tools >= 0.99, which installs a postinst hook". This is "Breaks" in the dependency sense not "breaks" in the it's buggy sense. |
| 12:31.57 | mosno | perhaps. deb seems to have a more comprehensive set of tools |
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| 12:32.15 | Arafangion | mosno: Absolutely, and it's much, much less fragile. |
| 12:32.20 | skilz_ | How do I reconfigure xorg to change the graphics driver? |
| 12:32.23 | Sonne | themill, ah i see.. so theoretically if i upgrade initramfs-tools on a squeeze i can try running 3.0 right? |
| 12:32.30 | skilz_ | I want to use xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 12:32.46 | themill | ,versions initramfs-tools |
| 12:32.47 | judd | Package initramfs-tools on i386 -- lenny: 0.92o; lenny-backports: 0.94.4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.98.8; squeeze-backports: 0.99~bpo60+1; sid: 0.99; wheezy: 0.99 |
| 12:32.49 | Arafangion | skilz_: You would be better off with nouveau. |
| 12:33.02 | skilz_ | Its an old card |
| 12:33.06 | Arafangion | skilz_: 'nv' is an old, 2D-only graphics driver for older nvidia cards. |
| 12:33.12 | skilz_ | ok |
| 12:33.20 | Arafangion | skilz_: You may still prefer nouveau. |
| 12:33.41 | themill | Sonne: ^^ you could get them from backports.org. the linux-image-3.0-* packages from sid are installable on squeeze and apparently work ok, but note that the linux-header-3.0-* packages are *not* installable so you can't build out-of-tree modules. |
| 12:33.50 | skilz_ | nouveau is non 3d also? |
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| 12:34.00 | Sonne | themill, the image is good enough for me, thanks |
| 12:34.14 | skilz_ | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled |
| 12:34.28 | mosno | Arafangion, less fragile, how? |
| 12:34.44 | Arafangion | skilz_: For stable's xorg, yes, afaik, but seriously, there is almost no advantage to 'nv' at all. |
| 12:34.45 | PerfDave | skilz_: Read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/README.Debian |
| 12:35.11 | skilz_ | So I can't have 3d support? |
| 12:35.15 | themill | Sonne: I don't know of any bugs with using 3.0 on squeeze and there are a number of people who are doing so. Should you find problems with packages in squeeze not handling 3.x instead of 2.x, please report them |
| 12:35.26 | skilz_ | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is already the newest version |
| 12:35.31 | skilz_ | How do I set it to use that? |
| 12:35.42 | skilz_ | or change my resolution |
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| 12:35.52 | wols_ | skilz_: nothing needed. it is used by default normally |
| 12:36.00 | wols_ | and you change resolution with xrandr with it |
| 12:36.08 | wols_ | didn't you want 3D tho? |
| 12:36.10 | skilz_ | Why is my res so BIG |
| 12:36.18 | skilz_ | yes wols_ |
| 12:36.29 | Sonne | themill, actually the only problem i saw so far is that the wheezy linux image requires linux-base 3 |
| 12:36.31 | skilz_ | and nvidia-settings saying no nvidia driver running |
| 12:36.46 | themill | Sonne: that's also on backports.org |
| 12:37.01 | themill | dpkg: tell Sonne about bdo |
| 12:37.02 | Sonne | ah nice.. i installed the wheezy one instead, shouldn't give many problems though |
| 12:37.11 | themill | they're probably the same package... |
| 12:37.40 | Sonne | and now to see if the debian 3.0 kernel runs under XCP :) |
| 12:37.45 | skilz_ | Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600 |
| 12:37.46 | skilz_ | default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0m |
| 12:37.49 | skilz_ | I fucked it up |
| 12:38.08 | skilz_ | I better reinstall debian |
| 12:38.19 | Sonne | apparently not. |
| 12:38.22 | Sonne | well thanks for all :) |
| 12:38.40 | skilz_ | I had a decent res before but didnt think nvidia driviers works |
| 12:39.01 | skilz_ | How do tell xorg what driver to use? |
| 12:39.04 | skilz_ | please |
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| 12:43.02 | skilz_ | stuff it |
| 12:43.11 | skilz_ | gets the driver from nvidia.com :) |
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| 12:43.36 | PerfDave | skilz_: When it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
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| 12:44.24 | themill | skilz_: dpkg told you what to do. |
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| 12:45.17 | skilz_ | it wont break :) |
| 12:45.22 | themill | sure... |
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| 12:45.40 | skilz_ | dpkg, didnt say shit, just lead me round in circles |
| 12:45.40 | dpkg | skilz_: are you using Windows? |
| 12:45.51 | skilz_ | and told me to use a non 3d driver |
| 12:46.12 | themill | skilz_: did you actually do what dpkg told you to do for installing the nvidia driver? |
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| 12:46.22 | themill | (hint: the answer is "no") |
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| 12:46.59 | skilz_ | yes |
| 12:47.17 | skilz_ | and when I rebooted it stuffed up res |
| 12:47.22 | skilz_ | console res and x res |
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| 12:47.39 | skilz_ | Im worse of now |
| 12:47.43 | skilz_ | brb |
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| 12:51.31 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 12:52.15 | mallery | Which package to install for boost?? see ccmake error: http://pastebin.com/7XRSaYp7 |
| 12:52.17 | Strogg | So.. I want to buy some hardware that is well supported by linux. Where does one go to find out this sort of info? |
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| 12:52.58 | babilen | mallery: Run "apt-cache search boost thread dev" please |
| 12:53.24 | babilen | mallery: You typically need the -dev packages for libraries if you are compiling against them. |
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| 12:54.56 | babilen | Strogg: But those are rather meant to answer the question "Is hardware XYZ well supported" and not "Which HARDWARE-TYPE is well supported" |
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| 13:00.31 | nevyn | Strogg: in generall don't get fancy and things just work. |
| 13:00.56 | Strogg | babilen: well.. I want to buy a video card to play minecraft.. but I was hoping to get an answer to the metaquestion so I don't have to ask any mnore variants of the question. :) |
| 13:01.18 | PerfDave | iii |
| 13:01.20 | PerfDave | Oops |
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| 13:02.16 | wols_ | Strogg: best is, unfortunately, google :( |
| 13:02.21 | wols_ | and some experience |
| 13:02.29 | nevyn | Strogg: so there are three videocard vendors that anyone cares about.. ati, nvidia, and intel |
| 13:02.51 | nevyn | intel is best supported (with the exception of GMA500) with free drivers |
| 13:03.18 | nevyn | nvidia have proprietary drivers that work and evolving free software support (nouveau) |
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| 13:04.33 | babilen | Strogg: I understand that, but I am not aware of any such site. Which cards are you considering and does minecraft need anything fancy? ATI and NVIDA both provide drivers, but the newest models might not be supported yet. Intel cards are pretty well supported. |
| 13:05.19 | Strogg | babilen: nothing fancy that I can tell. a wide range of hardware seems to do the job |
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| 13:05.49 | Strogg | will browse around and see what he can find |
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| 13:15.51 | khaije|minder | this is going to sound silly but is there a way to enable one-time-passwords for ssh w/ only asym-key auth turned on? |
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| 13:16.44 | khaije|minder | i want to let me buddy use my server but don't want to lower the level of security (even temporarily) if it can be avoided |
| 13:17.06 | khaije|minder | currently password-auth is disabled |
| 13:18.30 | abrotman | khaije|minder: i've seen one-time passwords on the internets .. not sure about the latter bit |
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| 13:19.31 | jelly | khaije|minder: sure, UsePAM and something like pam_opie |
| 13:19.49 | khaije|minder | abrotman: no worries, i think i've decided to create a pubkey for him |
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| 13:20.02 | abrotman | probably a better plan? :) |
| 13:20.11 | jelly | khaije|minder: you'd have to configure pam properly to disable normal unix password auth |
| 13:20.44 | khaije|minder | jelly: i may not undersand what yr saying.. |
| 13:21.17 | jelly | khaije|minder: OPIE is a common one-time password implementation |
| 13:22.30 | khaije|minder | jelly: since this is with ssh, can i say allow opie but not interactive-passwords? thats the brain-knot i'm working my way out of |
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| 13:24.10 | khaije|minder | i have a feeling i'm asking for the impossible, so like usual i go to irc for a sanity-check |
| 13:25.02 | jelly | khaije|minder: uh, one-time passwords _are_ interactive |
| 13:25.11 | jelly | how do you propose to fill them in |
| 13:25.17 | PerfDave | khaije|minder: /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
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| 13:53.20 | husien | hello guys, i have wifi wep key problem. cant use the wep key? |
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| 13:58.27 | FreezingCold | Wow, I just found the live-build website! =D |
| 13:58.31 | FreezingCold | Anyone mind helping me with it? |
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| 14:05.09 | andiolsi | has anyone of you ever used the debian qemu-kvm package and found it do be produce quite slow vms? |
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| 14:07.40 | frostschutz | andiolsi: I'm very happy with KVM performance, and I'm using the standard debian package... however I follow the advice here http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Tuning_KVM |
| 14:08.07 | frostschutz | andiolsi: I'm also using a recent kernel, not sure if that changes anything |
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| 14:11.02 | andiolsi | frostschutz: would you, by any chance happen to use libvirt? |
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| 14:11.27 | puccio | hi all |
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| 14:12.02 | frostschutz | andiolsi: no, I use kvm only, with my own scripts. |
| 14:12.10 | andiolsi | i think my problem lies with the default parameters created by that virsh tool. im testing the raw command now but have to piece together a commandline here |
| 14:12.15 | skilz_ | How can I get sound working? |
| 14:12.26 | skilz_ | I done aptitude -r install alsa-utils1~ |
| 14:12.30 | skilz_ | and ran alsamixer |
| 14:12.32 | skilz_ | and volume is up |
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| 14:12.45 | tqrst | emacs-goodies-el org-mode are stuck in "The following partially installed packages will be configured" mode. apt-get uninstall doesn't get rid of that. How can I just wipe the whole thing off of my system and make dpkg forget the whole thing? |
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| 14:14.21 | b0gatyr | morning guys, trying to set up daemontools but somehow I do not see an init script for svscan and when I do ps -aux | grep supervise I see the following error: http://pastebin.com/Tc5Ns4GY |
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| 14:15.02 | b0gatyr | if I do svstat /etc/service/dstpd I see it up and running |
| 14:15.24 | b0gatyr | can anyone shed some light |
| 14:16.12 | smhar | how to keep the ssh connection alive and stop it from disconnecting if idle? |
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| 14:17.17 | rozie | smhar: why you want to do such a thing? |
| 14:17.44 | rozie | I mean there's no point to keep unused connection UP |
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| 14:19.03 | smhar | rozie, one situation: sometimes I read a file online and the connection will be idle for some time, but I am actually reading, and I do not want to reconnect every time I change a page |
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| 14:19.55 | skilz_ | How do I get sound working? |
| 14:20.00 | skilz_ | aptitude -r install alsa-utils |
| 14:20.03 | skilz_ | and ran alsamixer |
| 14:20.06 | skilz_ | and volume is up |
| 14:20.13 | skilz_ | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:20.33 | Digdilem | smhar, are you sure the connection is stable? my ssh links tend to stay up until there's a fault somewhere |
| 14:20.41 | skilz_ | added snd-pcm to /etc/modules |
| 14:20.42 | andiolsi | frostschutz: do you use any kind of script framework to handle virtual machines or do you just use plain commands? |
| 14:20.47 | skilz_ | cant hear sound |
| 14:20.55 | andiolsi | sth selfmade i.e. |
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| 14:21.34 | smhar | Digdilem, yes it is stable, most of the time. It is alive while I use it, even for a long period |
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| 14:22.22 | rozie | skilz_: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works? |
| 14:22.39 | Digdilem | smhar, a quick google suggests ServerAliveInterval 5 or similar in /etc/ssh/ssh_config might be what you're after |
| 14:22.56 | Digdilem | smhar, from http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/02/03/keeping-ssh-sessions-alive/ |
| 14:22.58 | frostschutz | andiolsi: I have a start stop script for the network configuration and a restart script that "reboots" vms if the vm gets a shutdown. and I offer reset button, shutdown, and serial console via ssh... so yeah I guess you could say I have my own script although it's not really something so well defined. Just the result of a manual setup |
| 14:23.10 | skilz_ | rozie: shows nothing |
| 14:23.14 | smhar | thanks Digdilem |
| 14:23.14 | rozie | smhar: what time are you talking about? |
| 14:23.22 | rozie | skilz_: do you hear sound? |
| 14:23.58 | skilz_ | module.c:141] error: Failed to open module jack: file not found |
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| 14:24.10 | skilz_ | same for pulse and nas and arts and so on |
| 14:24.23 | skilz_ | [mpg123.c:847] error: Failed to initialize output, goodbye. |
| 14:24.32 | andiolsi | frostschutz: reset button and serial console are features that only require proper commandline options? |
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| 14:26.07 | frostschutz | andiolsi: more or less, it's a bit more complicated if you want to ssh directly into them without actually giving a real shell on the host machine |
| 14:26.17 | rozie | skilz_: looks like some files are missing. are you using it from GUI? can you try command line (no WM)? |
| 14:26.49 | rozie | skilz_: in general, module for soundcard should be loaded automatically |
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| 14:27.05 | andiolsi | frostschutz: i was hoping to get sth like ssh to host port 10122 for serial console to guest 1 10222 for host2 sth like that |
| 14:27.15 | andiolsi | err guest2 |
| 14:27.25 | skilz_ | rozie: What you mean ? im using fluxbox |
| 14:27.32 | skilz_ | what do you want me to try in console? |
| 14:27.42 | rozie | skilz_: without fluxbox. pure cli |
| 14:28.01 | frostschutz | andiolsi: you'd have to have some kind of ssh server running on those ports then, that's not something kvm does by itself as far as I'm aware |
| 14:28.19 | rozie | skilz_: what version of Debian? Stable? and what card? |
| 14:28.33 | skilz_ | rozie: Okay so, do that cat command in console? |
| 14:28.36 | skilz_ | then try to play? |
| 14:28.36 | andiolsi | frostschutz: well kvm can have a serial port listen on any tcp port for telnet connections |
| 14:28.39 | skilz_ | or just play? |
| 14:28.43 | rozie | check dmesg output also |
| 14:28.57 | rozie | skilz_: this command shoud generate noise in speakers |
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| 14:29.25 | skilz_ | rozie: Squeeze stable and 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 14:29.31 | skilz_ | Thats my video card |
| 14:29.33 | rozie | brb |
| 14:29.42 | skilz_ | but I want to use the onboard realtek sound |
| 14:29.52 | frostschutz | andiolsi: yes, I use that. But I don't want to offer telnet to the Internet so I put sshd in between. ssh -l myvm host and the sshd is configured so that the myvm user only gets the serial console of the vm, not any kind of real shell on the host |
| 14:29.55 | skilz_ | in windows it trys to play from the video card (hdmi) |
| 14:30.09 | skilz_ | do I need pulseaudio or something? |
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| 14:30.32 | andiolsi | frostschutz: so basically the shell for user X is not /bin/bash but rather a command to connect to the serial port of the guest? |
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| 14:32.20 | frostschutz | andiolsi: that's the general idea, yes. you can get fancy if you use ssh keys (give a different command to each key), or alternative ssh servers |
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| 14:33.23 | skilz_ | I think the sounds trying to play via the graphics card (hdmi) rather then the onboard sound which is what I want |
| 14:33.31 | andiolsi | frostschutz: what command do you use to connect to that serial port, i read somewhere that one could redirect the 80x25 vga output through serial protocol in a way that i could connect via "screen /dev/xy" |
| 14:33.49 | skilz_ | I want it playing from the onboard realtek hd onboard sound |
| 14:34.12 | andiolsi | this libvrit default stuff is utterly useless, my modified qemu command runs like 10times faster .... |
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| 14:34.31 | simonlnu | helps to have that audio card's driver load first |
| 14:34.52 | frostschutz | andiolsi: I use a tcp connection, in other words telnet, :). Screen works, sure, but screen is too powerful a tool to give to anyone who doesn't have shell access anyway |
| 14:34.54 | skilz_ | simonlnu: How do I do that? |
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| 14:35.24 | simonlnu | usually do it with /etc/modules. order in file counts there |
| 14:35.52 | skilz_ | so what should I put in there? |
| 14:36.08 | skilz_ | I have snd-pcm in there |
| 14:36.27 | andiolsi | frostschutz: thats true i guess |
| 14:36.44 | Adriien | Hi, I'm using dpkg-buildpackage and got this warning : "warning: ignoring deletion of file", how dpkg-buildpackage is aware of that change ? |
| 14:36.58 | skilz_ | simonlnu: What should I put in there? |
| 14:37.49 | FreezingCold | How is DSL smaller than the miniamal debian iso? |
| 14:37.51 | FreezingCold | I don't get it |
| 14:38.14 | wols_ | FreezingCold: compile time options differently. sometimes different programs altogether |
| 14:38.27 | wols_ | debian is a general purpose distro, DSL is a specialized one |
| 14:38.39 | simonlnu | skilz_: the driver/module names, one per line |
| 14:38.41 | FreezingCold | But even the minimal? |
| 14:39.05 | FreezingCold | What could they strip out of minimal? |
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| 14:40.52 | rozie | skilz_: run alsamixer |
| 14:40.58 | rozie | you can choose card there |
| 14:41.10 | skilz_ | simonlnu: How do I find the name of the driver/module? |
| 14:41.11 | skilz_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
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| 14:41.37 | rozie | skilz_: lspci -n for this entry? |
| 14:41.38 | skilz_ | yeah its on HDA Intel in alsamixer |
| 14:41.41 | skilz_ | but I can't hear |
| 14:42.04 | rozie | skilz_: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ in general |
| 14:42.31 | skilz_ | Do I need pulseaudio? |
| 14:42.36 | skilz_ | or oss or something |
| 14:43.12 | wols_ | skilz_: depends on the program that wants to output audio |
| 14:43.57 | skilz_ | xmms2 |
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| 14:44.21 | skilz_ | Ok I added snd-hda-intel into /etc/modules, will that require a sysreboot? |
| 14:44.23 | Gen_Patton | I have a tmobile webconnect jet 2.0 usb hsdpa usb modem. I would like to get working under debian the chip set is hauwel technologies based chipset. any ideas how to accomplish this feat? |
| 14:44.26 | wols_ | it can have many different output plugins (I think). choose the right one? |
| 14:44.38 | wols_ | skilz_: snd-hda-intel should already be loaded |
| 14:44.54 | skilz_ | wols_: Well yeah I can see it in alsamixer |
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| 14:44.58 | skilz_ | and the volume is up |
| 14:45.03 | skilz_ | I just cant hear anything |
| 14:45.33 | skilz_ | oh |
| 14:45.36 | skilz_ | :) |
| 14:45.38 | skilz_ | now I can |
| 14:46.18 | rozie | ;-) |
| 14:46.31 | skilz_ | It was front |
| 14:46.42 | rozie | happens |
| 14:47.29 | rozie | so now sound is working. you may need to add you user to audio group and tune WM settings (I know nothing about fluxbox) |
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| 14:49.07 | b0gatyr | hey guys does debian use init or upstart? |
| 14:50.04 | karlpinc | b0gatyr: init by default but upstart can be installed. |
| 14:50.22 | karlpinc | b0gatyr: (This is on stable.) |
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| 14:51.18 | b0gatyr | k thank you |
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| 14:52.09 | Gen_Patton | I have a tmobile webconnect jet 2.0 usb hsdpa usb modem. I would like to get working under debian the chip set is hauwel technologies based chipset. any ideas how to accomplish this feat?? |
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| 14:56.41 | simonlnu | stays away from upstart |
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| 14:59.31 | {AL}MTEM{ | hello |
| 14:59.56 | chmod577 | are the curly brakets really necessary lol |
| 15:00.56 | abrotman | makes it easier to not want to talk to him :) |
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| 15:07.24 | prin | Hello |
| 15:07.38 | {AL}MTEM{ | hi |
| 15:08.01 | {AL}MTEM{ | can help me |
| 15:08.23 | prin | Can I ask you for a ... I'm a noob! ask in the channel |
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| 15:09.32 | sajjadG | Do not ask to ask. just ask and wait |
| 15:09.33 | {AL}MTEM{ | i can't speak engilsh |
| 15:09.44 | abrotman | what do you speak? |
| 15:10.01 | {AL}MTEM{ | i speak arabic |
| 15:10.12 | sajjadG | google translate is useful :) |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | nothing else? |
| 15:10.28 | tqrst | I tried to install org-mode and emacs-goodies-el on lenny, both of which failed because of a bug in emacsen-common ("ERROR: emacsen-common being used before being configured"). Now, whenever I install another package, apt tries to reconfigure those two, and fails. I tried to apt-get remove them, but that also failed with the same emacsen-common error. How am I supposed to remove the packages then? |
| 15:10.47 | sajjadG | abortman:you are speaking english right now :) |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | sajjadG: uhm .. |
| 15:11.04 | {AL}MTEM{ | and you how speak you? |
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| 15:11.19 | abrotman | {AL}MTEM{: do you speak any other languages? |
| 15:11.35 | sajjadG | Persian and English |
| 15:11.43 | abrotman | i didn't ask you? |
| 15:11.46 | beardy | !arabic |
| 15:11.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community) |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | that channel is empty/gone |
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| 15:12.38 | abrotman | (factoid should probably be altered) |
| 15:13.05 | abrotman | {AL}MTEM{: can you try to tell us what your question is about? |
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| 15:14.22 | Miesco | HOw do you scroll down a page in xpdf? |
| 15:14.31 | babilen | tqrst: Is this on stable? Can you paste the complete error please? (dpkg --configure -a) |
| 15:14.33 | aschro | firefox & |
| 15:14.41 | beardy | Miesco: PageDown? |
| 15:14.44 | Miesco | aschro: Wrong prompt! |
| 15:14.46 | qop | space bar? |
| 15:14.55 | aschro | sorry wrong screen |
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| 15:15.10 | Miesco | beardy: negative |
| 15:15.19 | qop | aschro: at least it want wrong screen when typin a password :o |
| 15:15.25 | babilen | hands dmenu to aschro |
| 15:15.32 | qop | < happened to him |
| 15:15.39 | Miesco | wait it works |
| 15:15.44 | aschro | hehe thanks |
| 15:15.45 | Miesco | beardy: thanks |
| 15:15.51 | prin | I had a stable version of debian in my PC but I decided to installed the testing debian changing the souce list... (update + dist-upgrade) and before the upgrade I had the 2.x kernel and my screen was 1366 x 768 and after upgrade I have the 3.0 kernel but... I can't put the 1366 x 768 resolution in my PC. If I start the debian with the 2.x the screem is ok but if I select the 3.0 kernel... |
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| 15:15.52 | prin | ...only 1024 x 768 resolution... Where is the problem?? in the kernel or in the Xorg ???? (sorry for my english)) |
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| 15:16.34 | beardy | prin: If it is a problem at all, it is with your X configuration yes. |
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| 15:17.18 | abrotman | prin: what is your video card? |
| 15:17.42 | qop | prin: not the kernel, you can try reinstall of video drivers and x config |
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| 15:17.58 | babilen | tqrst: Ah, please paste it to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:19.07 | prin | qop: but i didn't install the drivers for my ATI in the past, I only installed the Xorg |
| 15:20.52 | qop | prin: you can force resolution in vesa or xorg.config |
| 15:21.09 | qop | depending if you use tty or X |
| 15:21.34 | qop | anyway, I'd install the ati drivers, they include an x config tool |
| 15:22.18 | prin | beardy: but why if I start with the 2.x kernel the resolution is OK and if I start with the 3.0 is wrong?? the xorg.config file is the same independently of the kernel, or I am wrong? |
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| 15:23.10 | qop | prin:1) do you have same settings in grub.conf for both kernels? |
| 15:23.24 | qop | 2) verified that both kernels are using the same module? |
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| 15:24.12 | beardy | prin: No you are correct. I didn't read your first line enough there. So, did you modify your prvious kernel's boot parameters, to change framebuffer resolution, or did anything else to get the resolution you wanted? |
| 15:24.12 | abrotman | he probably shouldn't have an xorg.conf at all |
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| 15:24.32 | qop | anyway, does anybody here knows what is the fastest luks cipher? |
| 15:25.00 | qop | I dont even find any performance tests anywhere, so I assume nobody cares or there isnt major diff |
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| 15:25.20 | ghoulsblade | hi all, runnning squeeze, i didn't choose the option "graphical desktop" during install, but might need it now, anyone know how to install it via apt-get later ? |
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| 15:25.47 | beardy | prin: But what abrotman hints at might be true too. Do you need an xorg.conf to get the resolution you want? Xorg is supposed to autoconfigure itself successfully, for the most part. So, why do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 15:25.55 | macrobat | ghoulsblade: aptitude |
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| 15:26.15 | abrotman | ghoulsblade: you can use tasksel if you want, but generally, it's better to use aptitude directly |
| 15:26.16 | qop | ghoulsblade: apt-get install xdm for a start, or kdm or gdm blackbox etc |
| 15:26.17 | ghoulsblade | yeah, apt-get or aptitude, but what's the packet name ? |
| 15:26.20 | beardy | ghoulsblade: Depends which, and how much you want. |
| 15:26.26 | prin | beardy: I did't change anything... I only changed the source list and update + upgrade |
| 15:26.30 | abrotman | ghoulsblade: which DE/WM do you want? |
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| 15:26.38 | ghoulsblade | dunno, the default ? or gnome maybe |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | ghoulsblade: aptitude install gdm3 xorg gnome3 |
| 15:26.48 | abrotman | uh |
| 15:26.49 | abrotman | ghoulsblade: aptitude install gdm3 xorg gnome |
| 15:26.54 | ghoulsblade | anything works basically. cool, thanks =) |
| 15:26.55 | babilen | tqrst: Solved the problem? |
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| 15:27.04 | beardy | ghoulsblade: Run aptitude interactively and look at the tasks packages if you want the same kind of install "graphical" would give. |
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| 15:28.35 | beardy | prin: So, do you have an xorg.conf or not? |
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| 15:32.34 | prin | beardy: /etc/xorg/xorg.conf??????? (sorry debian noob jajajaj) |
| 15:33.29 | blubberdiblub | prin: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 15:34.39 | prin | xD sorry |
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| 15:35.21 | prin | beardy , blubberdiblub NO, I don't have the xorg.conf |
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| 15:50.49 | prin | hi? |
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| 15:51.18 | babilen | prin: welcome, what can we do for you? |
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| 15:51.30 | prin | lol |
| 15:51.41 | anomaly | is there not a way to get top to display in mb rather than kb? |
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| 15:52.16 | cusco | hi |
| 15:52.21 | cusco | I accidentally deleted a php file |
| 15:52.25 | cusco | its not open anywahere |
| 15:52.31 | cusco | what would be the fastest way to recover it? |
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| 15:52.54 | babilen | cusco: Was it opened by any process? How did you delete it? |
| 15:53.09 | cusco | babilen: no it was not. with rm |
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| 15:53.40 | babilen | cusco: You have to restore it from your backups in that case. |
| 15:53.54 | cusco | hadn't |
| 15:54.02 | nlla | hi...i have a question about errors on boot...it says something about host bridge window conflivting with video rom? does anyone know what it means and if its serious? |
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| 15:54.13 | alex-- | What is the diference between the full installation image and the netinstlal? |
| 15:54.13 | alex-- | install ( |
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| 15:54.56 | cusco | I'll have a go at photorec |
| 15:54.58 | babilen | cusco: Ok, how hard is it to recreate that file? Which filesystem to you use? Have you used the filesystem on which the file was after you've deleted it? How much is that file worth? |
| 15:55.16 | babilen | !tell alex-- -about netinstall |
| 15:55.21 | babilen | !tell alex-- -about various cd1 |
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| 15:55.50 | alex-- | babilen: ? |
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| 15:56.35 | beardy | alex--: The bot opened a window and told you things, read them. |
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| 15:57.27 | babilen | alex--: You should have received private messages from dpkg (our bot) -- In short: The netinstall contains enough to install a minimal system, but will download packages from the internet if you need anything that is not really necessary. (Such as X or a desktop environment) The CD1s come with all the packages you need to install a desktop environment of your choice, which explains why there are more of them for each flavour. (gnome (default), ... |
| 15:57.33 | babilen | ... kde, lxde/xfce) |
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| 15:58.22 | alex-- | ah, I see |
| 15:58.28 | alex-- | eh |
| 15:58.32 | alex-- | I want to download debian server |
| 15:58.39 | alex-- | Do I have to download something else? |
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| 15:59.00 | beardy | No such thing, use the netinstaller, install the packages you think should be installed on your server. |
| 15:59.09 | babilen | alex--: No, there are no special "server" images for Debian. |
| 15:59.25 | babilen | !tell alex-- -about ig |
| 15:59.34 | cusco | babilen: its ext4, I've spent about 2 hours producing it, it would take me less to re-do it |
| 15:59.48 | cusco | and it was not a single file it would be about 5 |
| 16:00.44 | babilen | cusco: I would say: Redo it and create regular backups! (/me recommends dirvish/backuppc or amanda) |
| 16:00.52 | beardy | cusco: Probably simplest to re-do it and take it as a "do backups"-lesson. |
| 16:00.59 | babilen | hehe, indeed |
| 16:01.01 | anomaly | hugs rsync |
| 16:01.11 | cusco | I do backups with rsync |
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| 16:02.09 | nlla | Anyone knows what it means if host bridge window conflicts with video rom? Please? :) |
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| 16:02.39 | babilen | nlla: Can you provide more context please? |
| 16:03.17 | nlla | babilen: It says that during the boot. I can restart and grab the whole message if it helps? |
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| 16:04.00 | babilen | !tell nlla -about bootlog |
| 16:04.03 | beardy | nlla: Look in /var/log/dmesg |
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| 16:04.27 | babilen | nlla: And it might ... (thanks beardy!) |
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| 16:07.33 | nlla | [ 0.515976] pci_root PNP0A08:00: address space collision: host bridge window [mem 0x000c8000-0x000dffff] conflicts with Video ROM [mem 0x000c0000-0x000cdbff] |
| 16:07.56 | babilen | has not seen that before |
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| 16:08.47 | babilen | nlla: Anything on the interwebs or in the BTS? Looks as if you/BIOS/system somehow declared overlapping memory regions for the host bridge and video rom ... No idea why and how to fix it though. |
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| 16:09.32 | beardy | nlla: Haven't seen it either. I'd do what babilen said, but then also randomly try flipping the PnP OS Yes/No in the BIOS, if you have one of those. |
| 16:10.56 | nlla | okay...i'll try to play around with some bios settings...thanks. |
| 16:11.01 | nlla | then another problem |
| 16:11.08 | babilen | braces for impact |
| 16:11.25 | nlla | i have this wlan card |
| 16:11.27 | nlla | 03:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2800 802.11n PCI |
| 16:11.37 | babilen | !rt2800 |
| 16:11.37 | dpkg | For support of Ralink 802.11n PCI wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rt2860sta>, <rt2800pci>. For support of Ralink 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rt2870sta>, <rt2800usb>. |
| 16:11.55 | beardy | nlla: Which kernel, which version of Debian btw? |
| 16:12.20 | nlla | 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
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| 16:12.42 | babilen | nlla: You need firmware for that device -- /msg dpkg firmware ralink -- and you can read more about it on http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 16:13.11 | babilen | nlla: Which version of Debian are you using? (Note that we have a special channel for sid/wheezy specific support (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net)) |
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| 16:14.01 | nlla | I installed squeeze but didn't get my sandy bridge onboard graphics to work so i changed repos to testing and did dist-upgrade. |
| 16:14.40 | beardy | Oh do we now.. |
| 16:14.44 | babilen | nlla: The Xorg needed for snadybridge is in backports |
| 16:14.54 | babilen | Sandybridge even |
| 16:15.04 | babilen | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 16:15.05 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2:2.15.0-3; wheezy: 2:2.15.0-3; experimental: 2:2.15.901-1 |
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| 16:15.12 | skilz_ | How to get xmms2 build-dep package? |
| 16:15.13 | nlla | It works now just great so don't need any help with graphics. |
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| 16:15.23 | babilen | nlla: How well do you know Debian, Linux and Debian packaging? |
| 16:15.24 | nlla | Thanks though |
| 16:16.14 | babilen | nlla: I just wanted to mention that it is probably a better idea to use Debian stable and install the newer Xorg from backports instead of tracking the testing branch. |
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| 16:18.00 | nlla | babilen: Is there some instructions for doing that? |
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| 16:18.26 | nlla | babilen: I read about it but didn't find any good instructions so I decided to go with wheezy. |
| 16:19.02 | babilen | !tell nlla -about bdo |
| 16:20.33 | babilen | nlla: You can then install packages from backports by using the "-t squeeze-backports" option with apt-get/aptitude -- Xorg is probably installable with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xorg" -- It might be a bit more hairy and aptitude might do a better job. I haven't done it myself, so I can't give you my experience. |
| 16:21.37 | babilen | nlla: Those packages also arrived jsut a few days ago, so we do not have much experience with them. But I am happy that they have finally been made available as missing Sandybridge/Intel HD 3000 support was a common problem in the laste weeks/months. |
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| 16:22.47 | nlla | babilen: Okay...do I need any other packages than just xorg? |
| 16:23.31 | nlla | babilen: Because I read that sandy onboard graphics only works with 2.6.39+ kernel or something? |
| 16:23.32 | babilen | nlla: Well, that will (hopefully) pull in all that is needed. |
| 16:23.47 | babilen | nlla: I would also recommend to install the kernel from backports (.39) |
| 16:23.51 | babilen | !tell nlla -about bdo kernel |
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| 16:25.49 | nlla | Okay...sounds good...I'll start reinstalling then :) |
| 16:26.33 | bfig_ | hey... i set up my chroot environment with squeeze, i need to use it to compile 32 bit, also i need libgcrypt... where can i get that any idea? |
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| 16:26.52 | babilen | nlla: You *might* want to stay on wheezy as well (I have no idea about your background, knowledge and preferences) -- Just wanted to note that you don't have to run it just for the Sandybridge hardware. |
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| 16:28.43 | anomaly | is there not a means of showing the difference between two directories in cli? |
| 16:29.09 | nlla | babilen: Is there a lot of stability issues with testing? |
| 16:30.19 | Bushmills | nlla: yes. packages change all the time. |
| 16:30.36 | skilz_ | I would like to browse files between both debian computers |
| 16:30.41 | skilz_ | and copy |
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| 16:30.47 | skilz_ | samba I think? |
| 16:30.48 | nlla | babilen: I have only used stable Debian on some server configurations, so not very familiar with testing. I only use some basic stuff and gedit as IDE + sshfs for ftp mounts so don't need much software on this machine. |
| 16:30.51 | Bushmills | though that's not an "issue" - testing is meant for that |
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| 16:31.26 | skilz_ | How do I do it? |
| 16:31.35 | skilz_ | is there a good webpage I can be pointed at plz |
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| 16:31.54 | anomaly | skilz_ sshfs |
| 16:31.56 | Bushmills | skilz_, "browse files" - like with a web browser? run web servers on both |
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| 16:32.16 | skilz_ | Bushmills: nah, I was to fileshare |
| 16:32.24 | skilz_ | Like drag and drop |
| 16:32.28 | Bushmills | skilz_ machines in your LAN? |
| 16:32.32 | skilz_ | yep |
| 16:32.36 | Bushmills | use nfs |
| 16:32.44 | skilz_ | apt-get nfs? |
| 16:32.47 | nlla | Hmm. Also wireless works now. I think I'll stick with testing for a while. If there's too much problems I'll try stable and backports then :) |
| 16:32.58 | Bushmills | probably nfs-kernel-server |
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| 16:33.41 | nlla | babilen: Thanks for all the help! |
| 16:34.08 | zykotick9 | skilz_, if you have SSH server running on one of the machines, and are using Gnome. The easiest sharing solution is use Connect to Server / select SSH / input required info - all done. sshfs is slightly more difficult but has some benefits and draw backs. |
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| 16:34.16 | Bushmills | skilz_ "drag and drop" is not a function of the file sharing mechanism, but of the client accessing those files |
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| 16:39.44 | derric | My x system has decided to stop working. It says some thing about a MTRR setting err. How can I reset this to defaults? |
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| 16:40.16 | derric | And start x again. I'm using squeeze. |
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| 16:41.12 | valdyn_ | derric: i think mtrr is an agp feature, resetting it would be rebooting |
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| 16:41.44 | valdyn_ | derric: pcie too it seems |
| 16:42.05 | derric | waldyn: I've tried rebooting twice already. |
| 16:42.18 | Bushmills | memory type and range registers aren't agp specific |
| 16:42.35 | valdyn_ | derric: something changed between your system working and not working.. the kernel? the X driver? |
| 16:42.40 | Bushmills | those are CPU features |
| 16:42.44 | skilz_ | I keep getting these errors everywhere pkg: error processing libgl1-nvidia-alternatives (--configure) |
| 16:42.56 | derric | The err is in setting the MTRR base, it says invalid argument. |
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| 16:43.17 | skilz_ | Processing triggers for libgl1-nvidia-alternatives ... |
| 16:43.18 | skilz_ | update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 doesn't exist |
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| 16:43.44 | derric | waldyn, nope. I just logged off as one user and tried to log on as another, and x just stopped working somewhere inbetween. |
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| 16:44.30 | jhutchins_lt | skilz_: Which release? |
| 16:44.44 | derric | waldyn: I was thinking of wiping out xorg.conf and trying to restart x. |
| 16:44.56 | valdyn_ | derric: i dont know then, last i messed with this is when usage was still optional |
| 16:45.00 | skilz_ | jhutchins_lt: Squeeze |
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| 16:45.15 | skilz_ | I was trying to install nvidia drivers before |
| 16:45.25 | jhutchins_lt | skilz_: Are you following a guide? Which one? |
| 16:45.27 | skilz_ | but ended up just using the ones from the nvidia site |
| 16:45.32 | derric | waldyn: When MTRR usage was still optional? |
| 16:45.45 | skilz_ | jhutchins_lt: That error comes up when I use aptitude |
| 16:45.48 | skilz_ | to install anything |
| 16:45.52 | skilz_ | its pissing me off |
| 16:46.03 | valdyn_ | derric: mtrr is a cpu feature as bushmills said, i remember when i could chose to use or not use it |
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| 16:47.14 | derric | waldyn: I could try booting with a different kernel, I just made a bunch of them. |
| 16:47.23 | valdyn_ | derric: *v* |
| 16:47.33 | valdyn_ | derric: you can use tab to complete nics |
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| 16:48.41 | abrotman | waldyn .. hehe |
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| 16:49.40 | valdyn_ | derchris: see if you can make sense of that http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2009/03/01/fixing-mtrrs-on-linux/ and/or show us your complete error(s). |
| 16:50.13 | avishai | anyone had a problem with debian-installer not honoring mirror/suite ? |
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| 16:50.47 | valdyn_ | derric: ^^ |
| 16:50.53 | derric | windyn: Nope, different kernel does that sam thing. |
| 16:51.13 | derric | s/sam/same |
| 16:51.38 | valdyn_ | derric: did you see what I typed above? |
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| 16:53.42 | derric | waldyn: You mean the ^^ |
| 16:53.51 | valdyn_ | derric: no, above that |
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| 16:54.10 | derric | waldyn: I just rebooted so I guess I missed it. :( |
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| 16:54.20 | valdyn_ | derric: see if you can make sense of that http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2009/03/01/fixing-mtrrs-on-linux/ and/or show us your complete error(s). |
| 16:54.46 | troutwine | Hello, all. I'm trying to learn how to create simple, native Debian packages here http://stackoverflow.com/q/7176065/314318 with this https://github.com/blt/statrec but after taking Jan Hudec's advice on SO have this issue: https://gist.github.com/1168516 Anyone mind tutoring me in constructing a debian package? |
| 16:54.56 | abrotman | !nmg |
| 16:54.57 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 16:54.59 | derric | waldyn: How do I start up the mouse in console mode so I can cut and paste the err message? |
| 16:55.10 | valdyn_ | !gpm |
| 16:55.10 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the application itself interprets the mouse clicks. http://www.nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/ #gpm on irc.freenode.org. |
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| 16:55.37 | valdyn_ | derric: apt-get install gpm |
| 16:55.46 | valdyn_ | !pastewithoutx |
| 16:55.46 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 16:55.48 | derric | windny: I started gpm, although I still lack a mouse cursor> |
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| 16:56.18 | benji123 | Hi, Does Debian allow to reuse a socket even if in TIME_WAIT state? |
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| 16:56.36 | benji123 | something about SO_REUSEADDR |
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| 16:57.52 | derric | windyn: My bad, I started gdm by mistake. Getting gpm now. |
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| 16:58.53 | derric | windym: Much better have mouse cursor now. |
| 16:59.26 | thewanderer1 | benji123: SO_REUSEADDR is an option set for each socket individually, so your application has to be designed with this in mind |
| 16:59.36 | thewanderer1 | benji123: using this system-wide is not recommended at all |
| 17:00.13 | troutwine | abrotman: You'll note that I've already referenced myself as having read that particular document. |
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| 17:00.29 | derric | windyn: Where is the x log? |
| 17:00.32 | avishai | i need some help with debian-installer |
| 17:00.46 | benji123 | thewanderer1, is there a default value ? |
| 17:00.54 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I'd like to see a real life example where SO_REUSEADDR makes things worse. |
| 17:00.59 | wrksx | hi |
| 17:01.13 | abrotman | troutwine: i did .. |
| 17:01.17 | troutwine | abrotman: The problem is not that I haven't read enough but that what I have read is largely reference material, oriented toward those with A) a mentor or B) someone that might mentor. I am rather looking for A) here. |
| 17:01.39 | abrotman | troutwine: there's a pile of mentors .. #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:02.03 | wrksx | today I started my computer and the screen resolution i used to use 1680x1050 is not any more available in the gui menu |
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| 17:02.16 | troutwine | abrotman: Ah, thank you. |
| 17:02.29 | benji123 | jelly-home, do you know if there is a default value for SO_REUSEADDR somewhere ? |
| 17:02.34 | wrksx | i use to install updates without looking about what it is on this workstation |
| 17:02.38 | jelly-home | benji123: I don't |
| 17:02.41 | benji123 | ok |
| 17:02.45 | thewanderer1 | benji123: default is no :P |
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| 17:02.54 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and where does one change it? |
| 17:03.01 | wrksx | does any recent update may be responsible for that ? |
| 17:03.14 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: kernel source, I suppose... |
| 17:03.15 | benji123 | jelly-home, that was my next question :) |
| 17:03.23 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's not too helpful! |
| 17:03.25 | benji123 | :s |
| 17:03.31 | thewanderer1 | or you can change it in your application's code |
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| 17:03.41 | jelly-home | that's not what "default" means |
| 17:03.47 | thewanderer1 | I know, I know... |
| 17:03.48 | abrotman | troutwine: AIUI, your package would be named statrec-<VERSION> |
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| 17:04.02 | troutwine | abrotman: I was snippy with you. Please accept my apologies. |
| 17:04.17 | jelly-home | I could also wrap bind() calls with a LD_PRELOAD hack but... |
| 17:04.25 | troutwine | abrotman: debuilder has a -p option for that, no? |
| 17:04.40 | troutwine | abrotman: Which I neglected... |
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| 17:04.52 | abrotman | troutwine: i mean to get those directories like that |
| 17:04.53 | derric | windyn: Paste err here? It's about five lines. |
| 17:04.54 | m3lvin | Hi, I just noticed btrfs is now included as an option during installation, does this mean that it's safe to use now for non critical partitions? And do I have any advantage of using btrfs instead of ext4 for the /, /boot, /var, /tmp partitions? |
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| 17:05.35 | thewanderer1 | m3lvin: no and no :P |
| 17:05.37 | troutwine | abrotman: Actually, it's dh_make that I was confusing. What do you mean, get directories like that? |
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| 17:06.01 | m3lvin | thewanderer1: ok, ext4 it is then, thanks |
| 17:06.22 | thewanderer1 | m3lvin: I'd avoid it until a proper fsck shows up... I've heard lately that it's a matter of weeks, but then it also has to be included in Debian to be useful in d-i. |
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| 17:09.17 | abrotman | troutwine: you don't want /usr/share/statrec/<VERSION>/ ... you want more like /usr/share/statrec-<VERSION>/ .... i believe tha'ts the way they generally do it now |
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| 17:10.39 | abrotman | troutwine: i see you've found #debian-mentors .. i'll let them help you |
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| 17:15.15 | Rockj | Q: how can I disable the reset button, power so it doesnt trigger at once you hit it? (my case is a bit retarded and buttons a bit to easily accessible from the feets) |
| 17:15.42 | simonlnu | unplug 'em? |
| 17:15.55 | anomaly | I do not want to use testing to get thunar 1.2, any other light weight file managers capable of browsing ftp/ssh ? |
| 17:16.09 | Rockj | simonlnu: no, I still want to be able to hold it in for 5 seconds to turn it off |
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| 17:16.23 | Rockj | simonlnu: would also be awesome if its possible to configure the reset button to require to hold 5 seconds aswell |
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| 17:17.25 | thewanderer1 | Rockj: in most PC's, reset button is not configurable this way, so you have to unplug it. power button is usually configurable in BIOS. |
| 17:17.28 | derric | windyn: I found the log. Although here's and ineresting line: (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 17:17.31 | alex-- | At installing debian, I selected SSH. But how can I see which SSH server is installed |
| 17:17.55 | anomaly | alex-- dpkg -l |grep ssh.. your welcome |
| 17:18.08 | derric | windyn: Maybe this is a KDE err, rather then X. Is there a way to start the xserver without starting KDE? |
| 17:18.10 | simonlnu | dpkg -l '*ssh*' |
| 17:18.10 | dpkg | ii '*ssh*' 3.8-11 simonlnu's private gamp collection |
| 17:18.14 | Rockj | thewanderer1: looks like I can config it with acpi, at least the poweroff button *checking into it* |
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| 17:18.20 | alex-- | anomaly: openssh-server |
| 17:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | Rockj: The reset button is a hardware reset, I believe it's below BIOS level on most boards. Power buttons are now controlled through the BIOS via api calls in software. Depending on the specific hardware it may or may not be possible to intercept the power button signal. |
| 17:18.36 | thewanderer1 | Rockj: yeah, but the reset button still overrides that |
| 17:19.05 | Rockj | aha, I see. Hm hm |
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| 17:22.35 | alex-- | Hello. Which package do I have to install on debian to allow cross ctrl c and v? |
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| 17:23.12 | simonlnu | whowhat? |
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| 17:24.55 | alex-- | Which package do I have to install on debian to allow cross ctrl c and v in virtualbox? (debian guest and windows host) |
| 17:25.28 | tqrst | babilen: nope |
| 17:25.38 | tqrst | babilen: sorry, I got pulled into a meeting |
| 17:25.40 | jelly-home | alex--: you need vbox guest additions, that are provided with your windows vbox installation |
| 17:25.48 | tynx | I'd like to run on boot two display managers that autologin a different user each, any ideas how? |
| 17:25.54 | alex-- | jelly-home: ah i got it working |
| 17:26.02 | tqrst | babilen: dpkg --configure -a outputs nothing |
| 17:26.14 | alex-- | Now another problem; i dont see an ip in debian (using virtualbox) at ifconfig |
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| 17:26.20 | tqrst | babilen: this is on lenny stable |
| 17:27.10 | babilen | tqrst: Ok, please paste your sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" and the output of "apt-get purge PKG" (replace PKG with the packages in question) to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 17:27.27 | babilen | s/please?$/?/ |
| 17:27.45 | tqrst | babilen: http://pastie.org/private/ijhvmlgszcfcd1j9lxkoa for the output, I'll paste the rest in a sec |
| 17:27.53 | babilen | sure |
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| 17:28.28 | babilen | tqrst: I'll be back in a second (need coffee) |
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| 17:29.03 | tqrst | babilen: here's the rest http://pastie.org/private/egnuwy1cncrteypbxxrsa |
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| 17:29.49 | babilen | tqrst: Just your sources.list is missing :) -- Any reason why you have not yet upgraded to squeeze? (brb though) |
| 17:29.54 | tqrst | babilen: oops, sorry |
| 17:30.35 | tqrst | babilen: and I haven't upgraded yet because this is an old cluster that will eventually be moved to another distro, so it's not worth upgrading in the meantime |
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| 17:31.01 | taleon | hi |
| 17:31.03 | babilen | tqrst: *sniff* what will you be using in the future? |
| 17:31.52 | tqrst | babilen: sources.list: http://pastie.org/private/cp41trlxn5clgkqmksky7w |
| 17:32.10 | tqrst | babilen: we'll be moving to rocks |
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| 17:37.07 | Miesco | "Why does this experiment simulate the half-life of radioactive decay?" Is this nonsense to anyone else? |
| 17:37.26 | TheWarden | I have the following in my /etc/fstab but for some reason it's not mounting at bootup. //192.168.0.192/pcdata/ /mnt/punchdata cifs ro,username='Print Server',password=foofoo 0 0 |
| 17:37.34 | TheWarden | any ideas why or where I can check to see why its not working? |
| 17:37.36 | Miesco | Half-life is a constant |
| 17:37.50 | TheWarden | I can manually mount it fine |
| 17:37.58 | karlpinc | Miesco: Are you in the right channel? |
| 17:38.07 | Miesco | karlpinc: No :) |
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| 17:38.12 | jelly-home | Miesco: yes. |
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| 17:39.15 | jelly-home | ##physics || ##English || #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:47.22 | skilz_ | When I do cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp it outputs 33000, is that really my cpu temp? |
| 17:48.00 | thewanderer1 | skilz_: divide by 1000 |
| 17:48.14 | thewanderer1 | (you get centigrade result) |
| 17:48.40 | TheWarden | do I need to surround the password=foo with password='foofoo' ? |
| 17:49.09 | TheWarden | I wish I could find a log that told me why that source is not auto mounting at bootup. |
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| 17:51.00 | skilz_ | thewanderer1: So how can I show it as centigrade? I want to display it in conky |
| 17:51.59 | thewanderer1 | skilz_: I think conky has its own temperature plugin... but you can always divide by thousand! |
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| 17:53.09 | skilz_ | thewanderer1: How would I make it divide by thousand? And I cant use the plugin because my board wont detect lmsensors |
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| 17:54.05 | babilen | tqrst: Back, give me another second please. |
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| 17:55.01 | babilen | tqrst: Could you install emacsen-common and see if that solves the issue? |
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| 17:56.20 | tqrst | babilen: it's already installed (1.4.17) |
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| 17:57.21 | babilen | tqrst: Ok, that is interesting -- Could you run "dpkg-reconfigure emacsen-common ; apt-get install -f" and paste the output? |
| 17:57.51 | babilen | tqrst: It is just that I would like to understand the problem first. |
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| 17:58.30 | TheWarden | okay, obviously I've done something wrong with formatting my mount string with in /etc/fstab/. When I run mount -a I get line number is bad referring to the line I added of //192.168.0.192/pcdata/ /mnt/punchdata cifs ro,username='Print Server',password='foofoo' 0 0 |
| 17:58.37 | simonlnu | lm-sensors does the detection of the board's chips... |
| 17:58.37 | TheWarden | what have I done wrong mmm |
| 17:58.50 | thewanderer1 | skilz_: that's nonesense, lm-sensors just reads the sys values |
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| 17:58.56 | RainbowW | TheWarden, is "Print Server" a valid username? |
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| 17:59.23 | tqrst | babilen: sure, http://pastie.org/private/uuxsenmtthuecmnw538tca |
| 17:59.33 | TheWarden | RainbowW: believe it or not yes it is valid. I have verified the credentials by manually mounting the share. |
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| 18:01.50 | tqrst | babilen: (I had the same kind of error messages after apt-get installing those packages by the way. That was a while ago. I ended up giving up and installing them from source to my home directory.) |
| 18:02.01 | MSTRCNVS | I get a mount error on every first device that I try to insert in debian, but when I manually mounts this first device all the subsequent devices that I insert are mounted automatically |
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| 18:04.14 | babilen | tqrst: "apt-get reinstall emacsen-common org-mode emacs-goodies-el" ? |
| 18:04.47 | tqrst | babilen: no luck :( |
| 18:04.50 | tqrst | (same error message) |
| 18:04.57 | th0r | MSTRCNVS: just a thought...does the first mount point exist before the mount? Hal expects to create the mountpoints as it needs them, and might be failing because that first mountpoint exists |
| 18:05.44 | tqrst | babilen: ah, actually |
| 18:05.52 | babilen | tqrst: Hmm? |
| 18:05.55 | tqrst | babilen: reinstall emacsen-common, followed by remove of the other two worked |
| 18:06.17 | tqrst | babilen: and installing them works too, now |
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| 18:06.36 | babilen | tqrst: Great. |
| 18:06.41 | diego | hey guys, I have a little problem here with debian squeeze 64. The program update-rc.d does not put the right sequences that I specify when I use the command. For exemple, if I specify 30 as a startup for rundlevel 3, update-rc.d puts 18. Anyone have ideas? |
| 18:06.41 | tqrst | babilen: thanks :) |
| 18:06.43 | babilen | tqrst: So, all is fine now? |
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| 18:06.48 | tqrst | babilen: still not really sure how it broke though |
| 18:06.50 | tqrst | yep |
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| 18:07.02 | babilen | tqrst: The enxt step would have been to debug the maintainer scripts, but I am happy that this is not necessary. |
| 18:07.31 | babilen | tqrst: Looks as if something went wrong when emacsen-common was installed. |
| 18:07.33 | MSTRCNVS | th0r: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error - [ 3664.970695] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 18:07.42 | Lasers | In the past, I added multimedia debian apt. I will remove it in sources.list -- Is there a command or a process that I should go through first? (ie, list all installed packages of that said repo or such?) |
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| 18:08.01 | th0r | MSTRCNVS: I think that is a 'no' |
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| 18:08.23 | MSTRCNVS | th0r: it means that the initial mount point doesn't exists? |
| 18:08.42 | th0r | MSTRCNVS: no, it means that my idea was not applicable. Sorry |
| 18:09.14 | MSTRCNVS | th0r: oh yes, I think I do not have the right driver and the system can't identify the filesystem type, do you have any clue about? |
| 18:09.58 | th0r | MSTRCNVS: sorry, I have little experience with that....mounts always seemed to work for me out of the box |
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| 18:11.30 | karlpinc | Lasers: The faq on backports.debian.org has a command that tells you how to find everything installed from a particular repo. |
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| 18:14.33 | madi | !wifi |
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| 18:14.34 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 18:15.20 | madi | sorry, got it |
| 18:15.26 | babilen | madi: No problem :) |
| 18:16.05 | MSTRCNVS | !ntfs |
| 18:16.06 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
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| 18:17.05 | karlpinc | diego: How do you know their wrong? The insserv package is designed to figure out what depends on what and come up with the right numbers. |
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| 18:17.22 | karlpinc | s/their/they're/ |
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| 18:17.39 | Lasers | karlpinc: Thank you. What is the debian way to set up autologin for user without GDM? |
| 18:19.00 | karlpinc | Lasers: Lordy. I always give up and use gdm. :-) Perhaps the wiki has something? The "classic" Unix way is to use /etc/inittab and have it have "su" start and X sesssion with startx or some such. YMMV. |
| 18:19.13 | karlpinc | s/and/an/ |
| 18:19.35 | Lasers | karlpinc: Ah. I'll look for a solution. Thanks. :) |
| 18:20.02 | karlpinc | Lasers: Start by using startx (or something) to start your X session when logged in. Then just automate it in inittab. |
| 18:20.26 | diego | hey Karl! The links in /etc/rc?.d are with different sequence numbers. |
| 18:20.52 | karlpinc | diego: That's a question? |
| 18:21.46 | diego | No. you asked me how did I know that the sequences are wrong |
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| 18:22.44 | karlpinc | diego: Ok. And what makes the sequence wrong? What's started too soon? |
| 18:23.16 | simonlnu | "they don't start at 99" |
| 18:24.22 | diego | As far as I know, the links in /etc/rc?.d/ execute following their sequence |
| 18:24.28 | diego | right? |
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| 18:24.34 | karlpinc | diego: Right. |
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| 18:24.57 | vankooch | hi all |
| 18:25.10 | karlpinc | diego: So, you must be unhappy with the sequence for some reason. If you tell us what that reason is we might be able to help. |
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| 18:26.02 | SmokeyD | hey everyone. Are there docs on migrating my existing installation to a new disk in which I want to an encrypted lvm partition (with a separate /boot partition if needed)? Especially the ramdisk and grub2 things I need to do are of concern |
| 18:26.52 | diego | So, When I use update-rc.d and specify a startup number, for exemple 30 in runlvel 3, and then check up the link in /etc/rc3.d/, it has a differente sequence number, not 30 I specify using the command |
| 18:26.55 | karlpinc | SmokeyD: Ramdisks shouldn't be a concern, because they have nothing to do with hard drives. |
| 18:27.24 | SmokeyD | karlpinc, don't you need the proper kernel modules in there to be able to use dm_crypt and lvm2? |
| 18:27.35 | SmokeyD | for the root partition |
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| 18:27.38 | simonlnu | well, being in 3 won't matter much anyway |
| 18:28.48 | karlpinc | diego: man insserv insserv speeds up boot by reordering the startup numbers. |
| 18:29.24 | simonlnu | and your update-rc.d command could be wrong, too ^_^ |
| 18:29.32 | SmokeyD | karlpinc, I am thinking to start my pc from a live cd. Partition the new harddrive, setup lvm and luks encryption for the root partition, then rsync everything over from the old drive, and then probably do "some" stuff to the installation on the new drive to make the pc boot from the new drive correctly |
| 18:29.38 | vankooch | I've a problem about building deb packages…in fact everythink work fine. I build the packages, the install correctly and I can use the in my reprepro without any problem. But when I add some mkdir statements in the rules or in the postinst file…the debs get brocken… wI can still instal them using dpkg -i without any problem….but when I add them in my repo apt-get gives me error like 'size mismatch'……do anybody have some information |
| 18:29.38 | vankooch | me? Thank you in advance |
| 18:29.43 | benji123 | Is there a way to know which process is using a port ? |
| 18:29.46 | SmokeyD | and I am looking for docs on that "some" |
| 18:29.49 | karlpinc | SmokeyD: Yes. But you should be able to fix that easily by chrooting into your encrypted directory structure and running "updateinitramfs -u". |
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| 18:29.55 | simonlnu | benji123: netstat |
| 18:30.05 | simonlnu | man netstat |
| 18:30.22 | mjt | also lsof |
| 18:30.49 | SmokeyD | karlpinc, ok, yeah, that is what I need docs on. What do I need to do after the hd is setup and the files are copied in place. Chroot to the new disk ok, but then. only the update-initramfs -u? I guess I should also do something to grub2, maybe more? |
| 18:30.55 | simonlnu | lsof -n -i :nnnnn |
| 18:30.57 | karlpinc | SmokeyD: Encrypt the new disk. Put lvm on it. Copy the data. Then install grub (slightly tricky, but not really) on the new drive. Run updateinitramfs -u. That should take care of it. |
| 18:31.36 | simonlnu | i should use that instead of grepping on port... |
| 18:32.10 | jelly-home | the port will get scratched up |
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| 18:32.24 | karlpinc | SmokeyD: You'd use "grub-install" I think. The procedure is the same as if you'd booted off a rescue cd and had to re-install grub. |
| 18:32.43 | simonlnu | bah-dum-tssh |
| 18:33.11 | SmokeyD | karlpinc, yeah, but I am wondering if grub2 will directly notice that the root partition is an encrypted partition, that it should prompt for a password/keyfile to mount it, etc. |
| 18:33.21 | karlpinc | SmokeyD: For that matter you _could_ boot off the debian install cd and run the final install step (and I think there's an option when running in rescue mode too.) |
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| 18:33.51 | karlpinc | SmokeyD: I think you need a separate un-encrypted boot partition. I'm not up on my encryption but will need to know later this week.... |
| 18:34.10 | SmokeyD | karlpinc, ok, I will try it out |
| 18:34.17 | SmokeyD | and come back in case of trouble |
| 18:34.20 | SmokeyD | :) |
| 18:34.23 | simonlnu | yes he does |
| 18:34.29 | karlpinc | SmokeyD: If having an un-encrypted boot bothers you then keep your boot partition on a usb key. |
| 18:35.05 | karlpinc | simonlnu: Thanks. |
| 18:35.06 | SmokeyD | karlpinc, the /boot doesn't matter. As long as the root is encrypted and all other partitions |
| 18:35.08 | diego | Karlpinc , it doesn work! The same wrong sequence numbers. |
| 18:35.20 | karlpinc | diego: What makes them wrong? |
| 18:35.26 | SmokeyD | karlpinc, thanks |
| 18:35.37 | simonlnu | notes diego still hasn't answered that |
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| 18:37.07 | karlpinc | diego: You have two choices. 1) You (or someone) manually figures out what needs what already started in order that _it_ start and continue the boot sequence or, 2) the computer figures out what depends on what and comes up with an optimal boot sequence. Debian has moved to 2) by default. |
| 18:37.39 | karlpinc | diego: Option 1) has turned out to be impossible to maintain. |
| 18:38.13 | simonlnu | #1 is a PITA to maintain |
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| 18:39.25 | karlpinc | diego: To be more precise. option 2 is to have people say what requires what be started and the computer then figures out what numbers to use to satisfy all the dependencies. |
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| 18:41.48 | kencausey | Recently for unknown reasons I had some fileystem corruption and as a result when X started all the glyphs rendered as boxes. Eventually after trying a number of things, forcing a reinstall of fontconfig correct that. However ever since then my system has been perceptibly slower, apparently related to font rendering. I notice this most in Emacs but also in other apps like Gnumeric when I change |
| 18:41.50 | kencausey | sheets and the entire window has to be redrawn. There is a noticable delay that was not there before. I would appreciate any specific suggestions of course but I guess my main question is how I can force a reinstall of a package ALONG WITH all of it dependencies. I'm thinking forcing a reinstall of all gnome/x/etc. might restore me. |
| 18:43.03 | diego | Karlpinc: Do you mean that debian just optimized the sequence numbers? |
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| 18:43.12 | karlpinc | diego: Yes. |
| 18:43.36 | karlpinc | diego: Based on the info in the comments of the startup scripts as documened in "man insserv". |
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| 18:44.34 | diego | Karlpinc: I see |
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| 18:45.48 | diego | Karlpinc: And, how do I disable that? |
| 18:46.23 | karlpinc | kencausey: That is odd. You need to find out what's slow. Is the disk fragmented and doing a lot of seeking? Can you run smartctl on the disks and see if they are healthy? Any wierd interrupts in the logs? (It never hurts to run memtest86+ to test the ram.) Etc. If the disk is fragmented then a re-install of packages might not help. You might want to erase the drive and restore from backup. (!) |
| 18:47.01 | karlpinc | diego: Why would you want to? What is the problem? (If you _do_ need to see the squeeze release notes on what's new in squeeze, the insserv part.) |
| 18:47.20 | karlpinc | diego: In other words, back to the old question. What is wrong with the ordering? |
| 18:47.22 | syn3rgy | Tried to upgrade on of my machines to testing. As I was doing this I ended up in a loop. Seems that perl can not be configured until libc6 is configured. Thing is libc6 can't be configured since perl is not working. |
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| 18:47.44 | syn3rgy | So I am in a loop |
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| 18:48.06 | syn3rgy | Use of uninitialized value $text in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm line 101, <GEN1> line 5. |
| 18:48.06 | syn3rgy | substr outside of string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm line 130, <GEN1> line 5 |
| 18:48.10 | kencausey | karlpinc: I've not even used 10% of the filesystem space, so I don't think that is the problem. Let me add some data: I've tested some other things, for example a complex WebGL water simulation and that runs perfectly fine. This is why I'm thinking of font rendering. |
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| 18:48.40 | kencausey | In other words, not everything is slower, it does seem to have something to do with X rendering, seemingly with rendering fonts. |
| 18:48.56 | syn3rgy | Anybody know how to update stable to testing without having this problem? |
| 18:49.07 | karlpinc | syn3rgy: Did you check the bts? |
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| 18:49.42 | syn3rgy | bts... I admit I am a moron. Whats bts karlpinc =P |
| 18:49.48 | PerfDave | !tell syn3rgy -about bts |
| 18:49.56 | syn3rgy | PerfDave thx |
| 18:50.06 | PerfDave | The BTS is one of those things that every Debian user running testing/unstable should know |
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| 18:50.19 | karlpinc | kencausey: I always poke X with a stick until it works for me.... Does X still use a font server? Could it be getting fonts from elsewhere? I don't think I'll be a lot of help. |
| 18:50.32 | Bushmills | sometimes mistaken as the drug backing system |
| 18:51.17 | karlpinc | syn3rgy: Your question makes me wonder why you want testing? You know about <backports> and <overview>? (In your irc client type "/msg dpkg overview", and so forth.) |
| 18:51.30 | kencausey | karlpinc: Thanks anyway, I will consider your suggestions. |
| 18:52.00 | karlpinc | kencausey: You could start by pastebin-ing your X log. Maybe somebody can see a clue there. |
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| 18:52.56 | syn3rgy | karlpinc I was an OpenBSD guy. Now that Debian is "clean" I started playing with its code. |
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| 18:53.30 | kencausey | karlpinc: OK |
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| 18:53.40 | diego | Karlpinc: Just curiosity. About the order, well, I dont have a problem now with the ordering, but in the future I would. But I am worried anymore, as you explained me |
| 18:53.56 | diego | Karlpinc: thank you for the help |
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| 18:54.29 | diego | Karlpinc: ops...I am NOT worried anymore |
| 18:54.39 | karlpinc | syn3rgy: I enjoy OpenBSD myself. What do you mean "clean"? Free of proprietary firmware? I can't say whether testing is the right thing to have when working on the code.... Perhaps someone else can chime in regards that. |
| 18:54.48 | diego | Karlpinc: thank you again |
| 18:55.18 | kencausey | for karlpinc and others: my Xorg.0.log: http://paste.lisp.org/+2NUY |
| 18:55.29 | karlpinc | diego: No worries. If you don't like the sequence you change the dependencies in the init scripts (and probably report a bug) and it will fix itself. |
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| 18:56.29 | diego | Karlpinc: All right. Thanks!! :d |
| 18:57.23 | karlpinc | kencausey: Is there a possiblity you've not got the right choice of video driver for your card for some reason? ?? |
| 18:57.46 | kencausey | Yes, this is the same driver I was using when everything was fine |
| 18:58.16 | kencausey | again, GL rendering seems to be fine |
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| 18:59.37 | karlpinc | kencausey: I'm clueless. You might or might not want to check the <nvidia> factoid. |
| 19:00.08 | kencausey | karlpinc: OK, I appreciate your suggestions and am looking into a font server |
| 19:00.09 | karlpinc | kencausey: Are you using the proprietary driver? Re-installing that might help. |
| 19:00.38 | karlpinc | kencausey: I don't know what I'm doing, be forewarned. |
| 19:00.44 | kencausey | Yes I'm using a direct download from NVIDIA and I have reinstalled and tried a newer version, it doesn't change anything |
| 19:00.49 | kencausey | :) I understand |
| 19:01.03 | karlpinc | !tell kencausey about nvidia |
| 19:01.22 | kencausey | I've been using Debian for about 15 years, I'm well aware of the Nvidia saga ;) |
| 19:01.32 | karlpinc | kencausey: Apparently a direct download is "the wrong way". Use the non-free repos. |
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| 19:01.46 | karlpinc | kencausey: Ok then. |
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| 19:01.56 | TheWarden | Does anyone know what would be bad in the following line in /etc/fstab, //192.168.0.192/pcdata/ /mnt/punchdata cifs ro,username='Print Server',password='foofoo' 0 0 ? |
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| 19:01.59 | kencausey | I don't agree that it is the wrong way, it's not going to have anything to do with my issue in any case. |
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| 19:02.34 | karlpinc | TheWarden: That's a samba mount? |
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| 19:04.07 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I'm mounting a share on Windows 7. I've been able to mount the share manually by doing sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.0.192/pcdata -o username='Print Server',password='foofoo' /mnt/punchdata/ |
| 19:04.59 | syn3rgy | karlpinc sry I had my face in the Bug#638950 code. I mean clean in FOSS GNU/Linux. I don't want one line of code in my kernel that is a blob. Debian is not only pure but well thought out. Even not using LSM such as apparmor was smart. |
| 19:05.32 | orflon | hello, i'm trying to make my camera work with xawtv. If I run it without arguments I get no image, when I load with v4l1compat.so, I get very bad image (green all over), that's the output: http://pastebin.com/SiCQfKWg . Any clues? Thanks a lot! |
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| 19:05.49 | karlpinc | TheWarden: If you type "mount /mnt/punchdata" does it work? |
| 19:06.36 | karlpinc | syn3rgy: IIRC there's a #debian-mentors channel at debian.otfc.org for developers. Could be wrong. |
| 19:07.20 | syn3rgy | karlpinc thx I might be hanging out there soon :) |
| 19:07.48 | karlpinc | syn3rgy: Yes. It's nice they've gotten rid of blobs. |
| 19:09.29 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I ran the command and I get "mount: can't find /mnt/punchdata in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab". |
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| 19:10.58 | TheWarden | karlpinc: when I run mount -a I get "[mntent]: line 22 in /etc/fstab is bad". Line 22 is the line I posted above. |
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| 19:11.36 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You asked about tabs earlier. Is there a tab problem? (I didn't think tabs mattered.) |
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| 19:12.39 | takahiro | anyone know how to setup a forwarding email in debian using exim4? it seems incredibly complex |
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| 19:13.39 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Looks ok to me but I don't use samba. You could try again (again) later, or perhaps try in #samba. |
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| 19:14.15 | alexbobp | Hi, I want to use debootstrap on an armel device without the "ar" utility, does anybody know where to find an armel binary of ar? |
| 19:14.41 | scoobertron | im having a bit of trouble with incron. I am trying to set up a rule so that a script is run whenever a file is moved into a watched directory. |
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| 19:15.00 | scoobertron | my incrontab line is /path/to/watched IN_MOVED_TO /path/to/script |
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| 19:16.29 | scoobertron | for some reason, it works in another directory but not the one I want, the only difference between them is that a video is being converted in my intended watched directory, which is presumably sending a lot of information to the incron daemon |
| 19:16.39 | karlpinc | scoobertron: I always have trouble debugging incron. Let me think of how I've done it.... |
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| 19:17.29 | alexbobp | anybody know where to find binaries of "ar"? |
| 19:18.01 | scoobertron | for some reason as well, I think that if I am moving a file into the watched directory from another file system, it treats it as an IN_CREATE event (which I guess makes sense in a way) |
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| 19:18.53 | karlpinc | scoobertron: Right. (it's not a rename of an inode, but a new inode) You might try running incrond with the verbosity turned up. I forget. |
| 19:19.05 | Bushmills | scoobertron: did you use tabs or a single space as delimiter? |
| 19:19.39 | scoobertron | Bushmills: singlespace I think - I know incron is finickity about that. |
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| 19:20.07 | Bushmills | indeed. |
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| 19:22.08 | TheWarden | karlpinc: okay, thanks. |
| 19:22.21 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I'll maybe try to remove the tabs and see. |
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| 19:24.16 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to auto mount a share on Windows 7 via the /etc/fstab. I can manually mount by doing "sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.0.192/pcdata -o username='Print Server',password='foofoo' /mnt/punchdata/" |
| 19:24.19 | TheWarden | ops |
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| 19:26.01 | leefan | all i need to build wine from source is apt-get build-dep wine for squeeze right |
| 19:26.31 | Trewas | TheWarden: maybe it doesn't work in /etc/fstab because mount (or whatever parses it) gets confused by the space in the username, perhaps protecting the space with \ would help |
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| 19:27.03 | TheWarden | Trewas: I thought the single quote would help it but I could try that. |
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| 19:27.57 | TheWarden | Trewas: nope, same deal. "[mntent]: line 22 in /etc/fstab is bad" |
| 19:28.37 | scoobertron | ok, hilariously the only way I can get it to work is to watch another directory, and then add a bit to the script I want to run to move it into the directory I wanted it in in the first place. Im guessing that having a file open in the original watched directory was confusing matters |
| 19:28.59 | Trewas | TheWarden: spaces in usernames never happen in the sane world, maybe it just can't handle spaces in the options |
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| 19:31.28 | takahiro | does anyone know how to setup exim4 in debian snooze? |
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| 19:31.46 | jelly-home | snoozes |
| 19:31.52 | mallery | When I create a WEP-WLAN hotspot an other computer can connect and can use my internet connection. But with WPA it can connect and doesn't have internet .... Why ?? |
| 19:31.54 | takahiro | sorry, i mean debian 6 sneeze |
| 19:32.03 | mallery | using squeeze |
| 19:32.12 | takahiro | oh yeah squeeze |
| 19:32.16 | johskar | what can i add to debian startup line in grub to make it start without X? in arch I could add the number 3 to start in runlevel 3, but doesn't seem to work with debian 6 |
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| 19:33.32 | jelly-home | wonders how much help will takahiro's approach yield |
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| 19:37.40 | MSTRCNVS | takahiro: before (or after) initiating your session press ctrl+alt+f1, log in and type 'sudo service gdm3 stop', Xserver is now stopped |
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| 19:38.43 | zykotick9 | johskar, to prevent GDM3 from starting on boot you should be able to use "update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove" |
| 19:39.33 | johskar | zykotick9: guess I got to start in recovery mode and to that then, cause when gdm tries to load screen goes black and system freezes :) |
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| 19:39.58 | zykotick9 | johskar, if you are using nvidia/ati you might want to try nomodeset as a kernel option |
| 19:40.07 | MSTRCNVS | johskar, alternatively you can stop it by entering tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1) as root and typing 'service gdm3 stop', and then you can continue with terminal instructions normally |
| 19:40.40 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 19:40.45 | johskar | MSTRCNVS: can't enter tty1 as the second gdm tries to start as I say it freeze |
| 19:40.53 | MSTRCNVS | this worked for me to install nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 19:41.12 | takahiro | i found a website that explains how to add a forwarding email address to exim4, but in debian, there doesn't seem to exist a /etc/exim/alias.virtual file... do i need to create one? or should i put it in /etc/conf.d/exim/alias.virtual ? why are the configuration files different on debian than a standard exim4 install? |
| 19:41.28 | jason404 | I have had an additional IP address added to my VPS, but I cannot see it in bmon? |
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| 19:41.30 | MSTRCNVS | takahiro, sorry, that was not for you |
| 19:41.40 | johskar | zykotick9: ah! nomodeset, ofc! that might probably be it! the gpu is ancient... ATI Rage Mobility M3 :) |
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| 19:42.57 | zykotick9 | johskar, it's still worth trying, but I kinda doubt it's gonna help. Good luck man. |
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| 19:44.54 | paxed | what the ... why is iceweasel slow as molasses? downloaded firefox runs much faster. |
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| 19:45.13 | paxed | seems like iceweasel is thrashing Xorg |
| 19:45.19 | TheWarden | Trewas & karlpinc & RainbowW: The issue was the space in the username, This worked //192.168.0.192/pcdata /mnt/punchdata cifs ro,username='Print\040Server',password='foofoo' 0 0 |
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| 19:45.22 | mallery | sucked |
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| 19:45.26 | edbian | What is the debian version of thunderbird? |
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| 19:45.41 | zykotick9 | edbian, icedove |
| 19:45.46 | edbian | thanks |
| 19:45.52 | craigevil | ,versions icedove |
| 19:45.52 | judd | Package icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 3.1.11-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.1.12-1; wheezy: 3.1.12-1; experimental: 5.0-2 |
| 19:46.01 | skilz_ | Please help, I get this error when I try to install stuff http://paste.debian.net/127278 |
| 19:46.11 | edbian | zykotick9: And it is exactly thunderbird version X minus the branding right? |
| 19:46.24 | zykotick9 | edbian, as far as i know? |
| 19:46.28 | edbian | zykotick9: thanks |
| 19:46.45 | craigevil | edbian, yes the same as iceweasel=firefox |
| 19:46.49 | edbian | craigevil: thanks |
| 19:47.00 | TheWarden | edbian: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Icedove |
| 19:47.04 | skilz_ | edbian: It's icedove |
| 19:47.07 | babilen | paxed: You might want to install a newer version of iceweasel (which IW version did you try and which FF version is faster?) -- You can get them from http://mozilla.debian.net and they are indeed identical except for the branding |
| 19:47.10 | skilz_ | the email client |
| 19:48.23 | skilz_ | Also when I try to 'apt-get remove libgl1-nvidia-alternatives' I get the same error. |
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| 19:49.56 | paxed | babilen: iceweasel is 5.0, Fx is 6 ... this is really weird. stuff like eg. opening/closing a new tab, Xorg thrashes (takes over 90% cpu for a few seconds) |
| 19:50.32 | paxed | and if i've got a tab with javascript running in it, iceweasel grinds to a halt. |
| 19:50.46 | craigevil | paxed, there is iceweasel 6, 7, 8 |
| 19:50.59 | jelly-home | paxed: sounds like a good time to try Chrome or chromium! |
| 19:51.31 | wols_ | paxed: installing and running two different ffox/iceweasels might be a bad idea: they might share profiles and then all mayhem breaks loose |
| 19:51.53 | craigevil | iceweasel: Installed: 8.0~a2+20110819042004-1, 6.0-2 is in sid, 7.0-b1-3 is in exp, and 8 is in mdn |
| 19:52.12 | paxed | wols_: can't run them simultaneously anyway. |
| 19:52.43 | zykotick9 | I use KVM for a bunch of VMs, which I have menu entries in Gnome for (using gksu in order to utilize network bridging) but now I'd like to pass "export QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=pa" prior to starting them. I could create scripts for each entry, but is there an easier method to apply this setting to the root/sudo account? |
| 19:52.54 | craigevil | you can have multiple versions installed, just use separate profiles for each version |
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| 19:53.47 | mycae | Hi All. I'm trying to *disable* opengl on a debian VM; is this possible? I need to test a code path that handles a broken opengl scenario. |
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| 19:54.06 | mycae | I need to do this without taking down xorg. |
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| 19:55.04 | babilen | paxed: There have been some changes in the last releases and 7.0 promises even more -- I would install the IW release version (6.0 as of now) from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:56.20 | paxed | so funny, closing a tab, i can see the tab closing animation... takes about 2-3 seconds :P |
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| 20:03.51 | bfig | gnarface, i could compile for 32 bits :D |
| 20:03.57 | bfig | gnarface, thanks for everything :)) |
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| 20:07.09 | alexbobp | Anyone know where to find an armel binary of "ar"? |
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| 20:08.35 | stepkrav | Hello. i have placed grub on the MBR. is it why i cant find /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 20:09.43 | zykotick9 | stepkrav, grub2 doesn't use that file |
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| 20:19.30 | derric | Is Squeeze still using a .bashrc? |
| 20:20.25 | valdyn_ | derric: look what you find in /etc/skel/ |
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| 20:20.52 | derric | waldyn: OK, I fix my x start problem. |
| 20:21.09 | valdyn_ | derric: *v*, please |
| 20:21.21 | derric | waldyn: I noticed that x would start from the root account, but stall with any other account. |
| 20:21.22 | valdyn_ | derric: i like nicknames being highlighted |
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| 20:21.32 | jason404 | I have got an additonal network interface added to my VPS. Now how do I configure it for use? |
| 20:21.59 | derric | So, after much chatting on #xorg, I deleted the .kde* files in the accounts, and it works again. |
| 20:22.07 | valdyn_ | derric: nice |
| 20:22.36 | valdyn_ | jason404: *you* added? |
| 20:22.40 | jelly-home | alexbobp: in the binutils binary package you won't be able to unpack because you don't have ar (or dpkg)? |
| 20:23.01 | derric | waldyn: Yeah, highlighted nicks does make a conversation easier to follow. |
| 20:23.15 | jason404 | valdyn_: No, Rackspace did it on my behalf, as I asked them to |
| 20:23.22 | valdyn_ | derric: then why dont you write my name properly? |
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| 20:23.53 | jelly-home | his tab key is misaligned! |
| 20:23.55 | derric | waldyn: Now I've noticed that the xsession.errors log file is like 6GB in one of those accounts. |
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| 20:24.19 | derric | valdyn: Doh! How's that? |
| 20:24.38 | zykotick9 | derric, almost - valdyn_ |
| 20:24.40 | derric | valdyn_: Double doh! |
| 20:24.44 | valdyn_ | jason404: ok, try "dhclient <iface>", if that works then you can proceed setting that up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:24.59 | valdyn_ | fortunately irssi is intelligent enough to work w/o the _ |
| 20:25.23 | jason404 | valdyn_: okay thanks. is that it? nothing else I need to do? |
| 20:25.26 | valdyn_ | derric: much better |
| 20:25.52 | valdyn_ | jason404: theres more if you want to use that interface for something |
| 20:26.20 | derric | valdyn_: The xsession.errors file is eating up all my partition space. |
| 20:26.25 | valdyn_ | jason404: see the interfaces manpage and your actual interfaces file for guidance.. |
| 20:26.31 | valdyn_ | derric: remove it |
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| 20:26.42 | jason404 | valdyn_: ok, thanks |
| 20:27.42 | valdyn_ | jason404: whats the point of having 2 interfaces in a vps anyway? |
| 20:27.59 | derric | valdyn_: That's what my last question was about. I want to add a deletion script to the shell rc file. |
| 20:28.07 | jason404 | valdyn_: more than one HTTPS wesbite |
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| 20:28.26 | valdyn_ | jason404: so youre getting 2 public ips? |
| 20:28.32 | jason404 | yes |
| 20:28.39 | valdyn_ | jason404: alright |
| 20:29.37 | valdyn_ | derric: bad idea, try linking xsession.errors to /dev/null instead |
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| 20:29.55 | sweetpi | Is there a way to increase wireless logging? I'm having major problems with this card, I even tried the latest driver from company released yesterday :/ Its a rtl8188ce |
| 20:30.13 | valdyn_ | derric: not sure whats the ideal way for this, but this linking might work |
| 20:30.29 | wols_ | !rtl8188ce |
| 20:30.29 | dpkg | For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-based PCI-E wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>. For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-VAU-based USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>. |
| 20:30.42 | wols_ | !rtl8192ce |
| 20:30.42 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 20:31.05 | wols_ | sweetpi: which debian do you run? |
| 20:31.29 | sweetpi | wols_: squeeze with backported kernel and firmware |
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| 20:32.35 | derric | valdyn_: What is all that stuff in /etc/skel? It looks like a mirror of /. |
| 20:33.13 | valdyn_ | derric: /etc/skel/ contents are copied to the home directory of the user that is being created when you run adduser |
| 20:33.14 | Hydroxide | derric: /etc/skel is where the system gets the starting files for a new user's home directory |
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| 20:33.21 | wols_ | derric: I sincerely you have have no /. |
| 20:33.32 | abrotman | uh what? |
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| 20:33.33 | wols_ | *sincerely hope |
| 20:33.36 | valdyn_ | derric: not /. but ~/ |
| 20:33.36 | sweetpi | wols_: the card works, but latency goes insanely high during transfers and seems to flood the entire network |
| 20:33.58 | valdyn_ | wols_: thats wlan |
| 20:34.05 | valdyn_ | wols_: oops |
| 20:34.08 | valdyn_ | sweetpi: thats wlan |
| 20:34.10 | derric | valdyn_: And there is an absence of a .bashrc. |
| 20:34.33 | valdyn_ | derric: my /etc/skel does have a .bashrc |
| 20:34.40 | sweetpi | valdyn_: this is the only card thats causing this |
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| 20:34.54 | valdyn_ | derric: if yours does not then you default is not to have a .bashrc for new users |
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| 20:35.33 | Hydroxide | derric: keep in mind .bashrc isn't shown by default along with all files stating with . |
| 20:35.34 | derric | valdyn_: I got cognitive dysfuction today... |
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| 20:35.39 | Hydroxide | derric: look with ls -A /etc/skel |
| 20:35.39 | valdyn_ | sweetpi: maybe its not a bug, but huge buffers being used by the driver or the hardware, maybe thats configurable, I wouldnt know |
| 20:35.57 | derric | valdyn_: Yep, I finally got that. |
| 20:36.09 | takahiro | can someone help me with exim4 in debian? |
| 20:36.12 | derric | valdyn_: More coffee... |
| 20:38.11 | kingsley | takahiro: Maybe. Please just ask. |
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| 20:40.57 | takahiro | i created a file: /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/350_exim4-config_virtual_aliases but exim isn't using the file |
| 20:41.20 | takahiro | i can pretty much put any garbage in there, and exim4 doesn't seem to even look at it |
| 20:41.44 | takahiro | any idea what is wrong? |
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| 20:42.35 | benji123 | Hi, how is it possible to have a port marked as TIME_WAIT but at the same time LISTEN ? => http://pastebin.com/gtGccB2H |
| 20:42.44 | valdyn_ | takahiro: are you using the split or the non-split configuration scheme? |
| 20:42.56 | takahiro | i don't know, what does that mean? |
| 20:43.10 | valdyn_ | takahiro: dpkg-reconfigure exim4, i guess |
| 20:43.21 | takahiro | i've already done that step |
| 20:43.40 | takahiro | should i run the reconfigure again? it takes so much time to enter in all the domain names all over again |
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| 20:44.15 | valdyn_ | takahiro: the last question in "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" asks about split or unsplit configuration |
| 20:44.26 | takahiro | i see |
| 20:44.31 | wols_ | benji123: it's the target port for the time_wait one |
| 20:44.32 | alexbobp | jelly-home: yes, that's why I was hoping for just that one binary :P |
| 20:44.42 | alexbobp | jelly-home: I need "ar" and then I have all the requirements to run debootstrap |
| 20:44.53 | takahiro | i'm not sure what to do... you want me to run it again? |
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| 20:45.18 | valdyn_ | takahiro: when you are using unsplit configuration then those files in conf.d can be irrelevant |
| 20:45.39 | takahiro | ok |
| 20:45.46 | valdyn_ | takahiro: so at the very least you want to know which config scheme youre using |
| 20:45.51 | jelly-home | alexbobp: nevertheless, get binutils, unpack on your OTHER linux machine, and copy the ar binary to the arm |
| 20:45.51 | takahiro | is there a way to check which config scheme i'm using? |
| 20:46.15 | valdyn_ | takahiro: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", you can just confirm current settings |
| 20:46.17 | alexbobp | jelly-home: heh. That wasn't an option before, but now that I'm actually home I'll go ahead and do that |
| 20:46.30 | jelly-home | alexbobp: and HOPE you'll have a matching C library there |
| 20:46.57 | valdyn_ | takahiro: its also in update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 20:48.22 | takahiro | valdyn_: ok i changed it to "split configuration" now what should i do? |
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| 20:49.00 | valdyn_ | takahiro: whatever you want |
| 20:49.15 | valdyn_ | takahiro: the file(s) you modified are now actually used |
| 20:49.27 | takahiro | oooh ok thanks valdyn_ you have been great |
| 20:50.21 | jason404 | valdyn_: is there any operational difference in split and unsplit configs? |
| 20:51.17 | valdyn_ | jason404: i dont think so, the docs say its better suited for heavier modifications |
| 20:51.18 | streuner | mpg321 http://87.230.55.91:7592/ |
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| 20:51.39 | streuner | Iron Butterfly - In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (Live Version) |
| 20:52.04 | jason404 | valdyn_: when I set email relaying up on my server, I follwoed instructions which said that the relayed emails would be kept on the server as well, but they do not appear to be |
| 20:52.24 | valdyn_ | jason404: im not the right person to ask about this |
| 20:52.30 | jason404 | ok |
| 20:53.31 | valdyn_ | jason404: i only solved my own specific problems with exim4, which seemed easy enough, but I never had the whole picture of how mail traveses exim.. |
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| 20:53.48 | jason404 | ic |
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| 20:54.42 | jason404 | I don't want them kept on the server anyway. I was just curious about how to do it if I wanted to |
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| 21:11.26 | mallery | FLTK_Xft_LIBRARY, FLTK_Xinerama_LIBRARY, FLTK_fontconfig_LIBRARY - not found. Anyone knows which package to install? libfltk1.1-dev already installed |
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| 21:13.13 | mallery | please .... I'm under time pressure :( |
| 21:13.57 | Iridos | who's dying |
| 21:14.05 | wols_ | mallery: you need to give more contxxt and I strongly suggest you lay off the "time pressure" BS |
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| 21:14.58 | mallery | wols_: trying to install a library with cmake, while cmake gives the error that these three files are not found |
| 21:15.59 | Iridos | those don't look like filenames |
| 21:16.00 | mycae | mallery, those are not files, those are variables. |
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| 21:16.10 | mycae | you have to set them |
| 21:16.28 | mycae | probably something like -L/path/to/library/thingy/ -lnameoflib |
| 21:16.56 | mallery | Iridos: mycae: wols_: see http://pastebin.com/FuM3nmAh for error message |
| 21:17.11 | mycae | what are you compiling? |
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| 21:17.25 | mycae | try setting it using the cmake gui |
| 21:17.33 | mallery | a library for computer vision, you won't know |
| 21:17.37 | mycae | opencv? |
| 21:17.41 | mallery | no |
| 21:17.49 | mallery | not open source |
| 21:17.50 | mycae | then helping you is very hard. |
| 21:18.07 | mycae | because your buildsystem is not visible |
| 21:18.09 | mycae | and thats where the problem is. |
| 21:18.28 | mycae | its not really a debian problem, per se. |
| 21:18.39 | mallery | mycae: to which path I should try to set? and which of them ? |
| 21:18.41 | mycae | If you paid for it, you should be able to ask your vendor |
| 21:18.49 | mycae | Wherever the appropriate lib is |
| 21:18.57 | mallery | to /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules ?? |
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| 21:19.03 | mycae | no, wherever the .so file is |
| 21:19.12 | mycae | something probably like libXft.so |
| 21:19.15 | mycae | but who knows |
| 21:19.16 | mallery | installed it from packages |
| 21:19.22 | mycae | this comes down to your vendor's choices |
| 21:19.33 | mycae | which you have to divine from their buildsystem. |
| 21:20.10 | mycae | usually libs are in in /usr/lib, and you need the -dev package installed |
| 21:20.18 | mallery | this package was named under prerequisites: libfltk1.1-dev |
| 21:20.28 | mallery | and installed it from package |
| 21:20.31 | mycae | right, then you need to tell cmake where that is |
| 21:20.40 | mycae | their buildsystem has no knowledge of the package manager, from your output |
| 21:20.45 | mycae | you have to supply that manually. |
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| 21:21.14 | mallery | mycae: /usr/lib/fltk contains 2 *.cmake files and a *.txt |
| 21:21.34 | mycae | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libfltk1.1-dev |
| 21:22.00 | mycae | this lists many files. |
| 21:22.10 | mycae | including a .so |
| 21:22.41 | mycae | without seeing the buildsystem code, this is as much as I can help you. |
| 21:22.47 | mycae | the same stories are true for the other variables. |
| 21:23.29 | mycae | you should really ask your vendor for better install instructions. |
| 21:23.55 | mycae | it is their job to maintain their buildsystem. |
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| 21:25.53 | mallery | hm okay, ty |
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| 21:26.21 | themill | mallery: which release of debian are you building this in? |
| 21:26.26 | mallery | squeeze |
| 21:26.31 | mycae | the last hint I can give you is that those variables will be so-called "linker flags" |
| 21:27.02 | mycae | but thats guessing based upon convention, and the variable name. |
| 21:27.11 | themill | mallery: and upstream says that the version of fltk that's in squeeze is sufficient? |
| 21:27.14 | mallery | also found this cmake bug: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/b85232f8026ed347/dea38cd2422a846f?lnk=raot |
| 21:27.20 | mycae | this is not a bug. |
| 21:27.29 | mycae | not in cmake. |
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| 21:27.52 | themill | !dbugs 437967 |
| 21:27.57 | dpkg | DONE:#437967:N[libfltk1.1-dev] libfltk1.1-dev: cmake scripts don't work (); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:24:01 UTC [] |
| 21:28.28 | themill | (fixed in squeeze) |
| 21:29.12 | mallery | these are the prerequisites: http://pastebin.com/djkEU0GW |
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| 21:29.37 | mallery | themill: |
| 21:32.17 | mallery | :( |
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| 21:42.45 | mallery | mycae: your last hint was that these 3 needed things could be installed as flags while installing fltk, right ? |
| 21:42.51 | flaming_bass | I HAVE FUN! |
| 21:42.52 | mallery | like it's done here? http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/FLTK#Configuration_Information |
| 21:43.14 | acu_ | I want to start vino through ssh - how can I do that ? - it was something with ssh X or something like this can anyone help |
| 21:43.42 | mallery | acu_: ssh -X user@ip |
| 21:44.08 | acu_ | mallery ssh -X user@ip vino ? |
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| 21:44.27 | mallery | connect via ssh -X, and then start application |
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| 21:44.41 | mallery | this should start the application in X mode |
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| 21:45.47 | Iridos | actually "ssh -X user@ip vino" would also work |
| 21:46.12 | pingveno | How do a specify in a control file that my package provides a particular version of a package? |
| 21:46.28 | pingveno | e.g. python-xlrd |
| 21:46.54 | themill | hang on, wouldn't you be using DISPLAY=:0 vino, to have it running on the remote desktop? |
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| 21:47.26 | mallery | Any way to set the flags manually while installing package from apt-get ?? |
| 21:47.47 | streuner | no |
| 21:47.50 | mallery | hm |
| 21:47.58 | Iridos | themill, ha, I should have looked up what vino was :) |
| 21:48.02 | mallery | streuner: only while installing from source? |
| 21:48.22 | streuner | mallery: you have to alter debian/rules then |
| 21:48.42 | flaming_bass | gentoo arsholes? |
| 21:48.47 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I manage NDP tables for IPv6 on Squeeze, an equivalent of IPv4's ARP? |
| 21:48.49 | mallery | streuner: btw: talking about flags like these: http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/FLTK#Configuration_Information |
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| 21:49.18 | streuner | this isnt LFS, we are in Debian... |
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| 21:49.41 | mallery | LFS ? |
| 21:49.48 | mallery | just an example ...... |
| 21:49.54 | mallery | using debian squeeze |
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| 21:50.10 | Iridos | only just setting DISPLAY isn't enough... Debian using gdm3 stores the magic cookie in /var/run/gdm3 and sets $XAUTHORITY... and that's not set if you ssh in ( acu_ ) |
| 21:50.10 | amphi | mallery: you would need to build the source package & do what streuner said |
| 21:50.19 | mallery | want to install libfltk with different flags |
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| 21:50.51 | Iridos | (themill, too) |
| 21:51.59 | mallery | amphi: streuner: and you know if these flags are set by default in debian-libfltk-1.1? --enable-xinerama, --enable-xft |
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| 21:52.18 | flaming_bass | gentoo tötet freie Meinung |
| 21:52.19 | Iridos | acu_, that means running something _for_ the remote display when you're already logged in there got a lot more difficult in squeeze (I assume it comes from the switch to gdm3) |
| 21:52.22 | helo | is is possible to cross-compile debian-arm from an x86 install? |
| 21:52.32 | amphi | mallery: no idea, but I would expect so |
| 21:52.33 | abrotman | should be |
| 21:52.36 | streuner | mallery: in Debian? just check out sources and debian/rules |
| 21:52.45 | jelly-home | helo: that's not your real question! |
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| 21:53.09 | tharkun | Gentlemen good evening, i have this behaviour on squeeze as a normal user i can run gedit without any problem as root i get No protocol specified \n (gedit:13138): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :2 <-- It is over a tightvnc connection, any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 21:53.10 | helo | jelly-home: i'm trying to compile qt3-embedded for arm outside of qemu (which works, but is slow) |
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| 21:53.36 | acu_ | thanks a bunch to all iridos and mallery :) |
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| 21:53.53 | Iridos | hmm, apt-cache show pdebuild-cross? |
| 21:54.26 | helo | jelly-home: there's a qt3 package in debian arm, so if i can cross-compile a package for debian-arm from debian-x86 i will be able to figure out what changes had to be made |
| 21:54.32 | flaming_bass | gentoo tötet freie Meinung |
| 21:54.34 | chmod577 | ok, so does anyone know how to get vim 7.3 on squeeze testing? I've been trying to compile it myself via the the tar on the vim site, but i've been getting an error "http://pastie.org/2424691" |
| 21:54.43 | streuner | flaming_bass: iss ja gut |
| 21:54.47 | Iridos | helo, that seems to be the tool for it... looks a little bit complicated, though |
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| 21:55.08 | amphi | mallery: the Depends shown by 'apt-cache show libfltk1.3' are quite suggestive ;) |
| 21:55.17 | jelly-home | helo: stupid idea: fire up as many qemus as you have cores, and then use something like distcc? |
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| 21:55.35 | mallery | Iridos: flags are printed in apt-cache show *** as tags ?? see: http://pastebin.com/5EHfw1L2 |
| 21:55.51 | mallery | amphi: ^ |
| 21:56.31 | jelly-home | helo: there probably is some crosscompiling framework but I have no idea about the name |
| 21:56.50 | flaming_bass | gentoo tötet freie Meinung |
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| 21:57.18 | jeeves_moss | is there a command that will pull a server install back to a base install so I don't have to manually reload everything? |
| 21:57.19 | jelly-home | was? |
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| 21:57.55 | amphi | mallery: huh, pastebin.com does not resolve for me |
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| 21:58.38 | streuner | amphi: works here... |
| 21:58.53 | amphi | mallery: 'Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxinerama1' would seem to answer your question though |
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| 21:59.31 | streuner | btw, the URL said only what apt-cache show <package> shows... |
| 21:59.41 | amphi | streuner: thanks |
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| 22:00.01 | amphi | mallery: that's testing, by the way |
| 22:00.11 | Iridos | jeeves_moss, the command that restores the backup that you made of a base install? :) |
| 22:00.23 | mallery | installed libxinerama-dev and libxft-dev, now the library works I think |
| 22:00.25 | helo | ls |
| 22:00.26 | mallery | compiling runs ... ;) |
| 22:00.33 | jelly-home | helo: ls: command not found |
| 22:00.35 | mallery | ccmake didn't give error ;) |
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| 22:01.08 | jeeves_moss | Iridos, I have a server sitting in a CoLo that I don't want to drive to Toronto to reload, and I didn't know if there was a way that I could bring the server back to a base install with no other packages (except SSH of course) installed |
| 22:01.14 | mallery | these 2 packages were listed as suggest in apt-cache show libfltk-1.1 |
| 22:01.14 | Iridos | jelly-home, oh no... you must've rm-rfed /bin! |
| 22:01.29 | jelly-home | helo did it |
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| 22:02.38 | mallery | many thanks, gn8 |
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| 22:02.59 | helo | all blame lies firmly on fluxbox's buggy strict-mouse-focus |
| 22:03.23 | Iridos | jeeves_moss, not as such. You can do what you think is a base-install on another system and save the package-list ... see details in the factoid you get with /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 22:04.37 | jelly-home | ficus follows hamster |
| 22:05.27 | Iridos | I'm not sure there really is such a thing as a "base install" in debian... I guess you could call an install such, that had no tasks selected... |
| 22:06.23 | jason404 | in the apache ssl directory, what is that symlink for, pointing to a cert in the same dir? f282354f.0 -> apache.pem |
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| 22:07.14 | helo | Iridos: pdebuild-cross :D |
| 22:07.37 | acu_ | I am trying to forward a port 80 from a router to an inside computer - with apache - should I use TCP or UDP or both ? |
| 22:07.47 | thewanderer1 | acu_: TCP |
| 22:07.57 | helo | UDP will be more secure |
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| 22:08.37 | Iridos | helo? I said that some time ago... what about it |
| 22:09.05 | acu_ | I do not know why I get localhost working - but I cannot browse to that - I setup the router to forward to port 80 TCP - and it does not work - strangely enough -the ssh is properly redirected - maybe I miss some configuration somewhere else locally ? |
| 22:09.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it possible to get help with the package nvidia-glx? I have installed that package along with the kernel module package and one or two others required for 3d support. Anyways I have 3d acceleration working just fine now. Only problem is that I think its causing a bunch of output on the screen that looks like errors or something after I go to shutdown and then it hangs on the message screen. I'll check the logs and see if I can find t |
| 22:09.17 | helo | Iridos: that seems to be the correct answer, was tipping hat |
| 22:09.27 | Iridos | eye sea |
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| 22:12.03 | Iridos | acu_, localhost isn't the same as your external IP... but by default Debian install apache to be visible on the external interface, so you would have had to configure it for localhost |
| 22:12.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Can I issue a shutdown command and send stdout to a text file so I can find it easier? I need to see the error messages etc? |
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| 22:13.23 | Iridos | errors on shutdown don't sound like much of a problem to me |
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| 22:13.50 | acu_ | helo and Iridos - so first I have to have both TCP and UDP port 80 forwarded - |
| 22:13.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | Iridos: Right but a hang afterward is. |
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| 22:14.30 | Iridos | acu_, only tcp |
| 22:14.46 | Iridos | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about netconsole |
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| 22:15.26 | Iridos | that gives you the messages on a machine connected via (cable) ethernet |
| 22:15.35 | Iridos | s/cable/wired/ |
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| 22:16.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | hmm |
| 22:16.54 | Iridos | right, it's a bit of effort |
| 22:16.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well Ill do some searching some more and see if I cant figure it out or else Ill come back with specifics of the issue. |
| 22:17.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | thank you |
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| 22:36.44 | karsten | Could someone point me at a brief explanation of the difference(s0 between apache2 mpm options? event, itk, prefork, worker, and why I'd prefer one to the other? |
| 22:37.00 | karsten | Mostly just looking to get Nagios happy and satistfied, but curious all the same. |
| 22:38.13 | jhutchins_lt | karsten: prefork's the one you want. |
| 22:38.34 | gnarface | karsten: prefork only if you require php. |
| 22:38.37 | jhutchins_lt | karsten: The other one is more monolithic, but it doesn't play nice with PHP. |
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| 22:38.45 | chmod577 | php |
| 22:38.46 | chmod577 | lol |
| 22:38.54 | karsten | OK. |
| 22:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Nagios == PHP. |
| 22:39.03 | gnarface | ah |
| 22:39.08 | gnarface | figures, i guess |
| 22:39.15 | karsten | Thanks, guys. |
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| 22:42.53 | jelly-home | ,depends nagios3 |
| 22:42.54 | judd | Package nagios3 -- depends: nagios3-core (= 3.2.1-2), nagios3-cgi (= 3.2.1-2). |
| 22:43.02 | jelly-home | ,depends nagios3-core |
| 22:43.04 | judd | Package nagios3-core -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.1), nagios3-common (= 3.2.1-2), perl. |
| 22:43.11 | jelly-home | php? |
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| 22:43.33 | jelly-home | ,depends nagios3-cgi |
| 22:43.33 | judd | Package nagios3-cgi -- depends: nagios3-common (= 3.2.1-2), coreutils (>= 4.5.3), ucf (>= 0.28), apache2-utils, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.4), libgd2-noxpm (>= 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg) | libgd2-xpm (>= 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg), libjpeg62 (>= 6b1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), adduser, libapache2-mod-php5 | php5 | php5-cgi. |
| 22:43.42 | jelly-home | ah |
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| 22:45.25 | McQueen | Hello. i used top command on terminal. it shows Mem: 516160k total, 477704k used, 38456k free, 154180k buffers but under this log, it shows users and mem cpu use percents... all are 0% .... how can see which progress use cpu and mem percent? |
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| 22:45.43 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I'm pretty sure that's the main (or only) UI for reporting. |
| 22:45.51 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 22:45.51 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 22:46.13 | jhutchins_lt | McQueen: Would there be any advantage to memory that wasn't being used? |
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| 22:47.45 | McQueen | jhutchins_lt, i dont know... the system is running slow since 20 minutes before... i want to learn the reason? |
| 22:47.52 | archman | is pm-hibernate able to hibernate to a swap file? |
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| 22:48.54 | McQueen | Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.9%id, 0.1%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 22:49.10 | McQueen | what is %id? |
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| 22:50.19 | McQueen | does it mean idle? |
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| 22:52.28 | archman | "49.633825] PM: Cannot find swap device, try swapon -a." |
| 22:52.31 | archman | seems like a "no" |
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| 22:53.11 | Iridos | so was just a case of tias |
| 22:53.32 | Iridos | McQueen, yes |
| 22:54.54 | Iridos | user system nice idle wait ... dunno dunno dunno... man top /CPU States |
| 22:55.25 | chipotle | hi... i want to install debian6 on a laptop that i'll use as my primary machine. i want to have separate /usr /var /tmp/ /boot /home partitions on a 600GB physical drive. can someone give me advice on how large to make each partition? |
| 22:55.55 | Iridos | why so many |
| 22:56.31 | chipotle | Iridos: from what i've read, these are the directories that really need its own partition |
| 22:56.45 | abrotman | not anymore ... |
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| 22:56.53 | Iridos | you'll run out of space on one of them ... |
| 22:56.56 | abrotman | you generally are fine with / and /home/ |
| 22:57.04 | abrotman | especially for a home user |
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| 22:57.13 | chipotle | abrotman: really? what changed? |
| 22:57.16 | Zero1234 | you've changed name |
| 22:57.19 | Iridos | was just typing what abrotman said :) |
| 22:57.22 | chipotle | abrotman: would you recommend ext4 or reiser3? |
| 22:57.24 | Zero1234 | they would |
| 22:57.27 | Zero1234 | therapist said, i should teach you anyway |
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| 22:57.35 | abrotman | chipotle: *no one* should use reiser |
| 22:57.39 | chipotle | why? |
| 22:57.45 | Zero1234 | why does hackforums suck ? |
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| 22:57.47 | Zero1234 | government should interfere with people's entertaining enough |
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| 22:58.30 | abrotman | chipotle: reiser3 was deemed feature complete like five years ago .. other filesystems have progressed a ton since then .. reiser4 isn't in the mainline kenrel |
| 22:58.31 | Iridos | chipotle, cause he's in prison? |
| 22:58.44 | chipotle | abrotman: any suggestion on how large / should be? |
| 22:58.53 | abrotman | depends what the machine does |
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| 22:59.04 | chipotle | abrotman: what about ext4? |
| 22:59.09 | abrotman | that's a better choice |
| 22:59.15 | abrotman | and less "error prone" |
| 22:59.23 | chipotle | abrotman: i'm just using it as a general machine to surf the net, write things, watch movies, listen to music, do research, etc. |
| 22:59.29 | amphi | chipotle: it seems to be very snappy |
| 22:59.35 | abrotman | chipotle: 30GB? or so .. maybe 2GB swap, and the rest for /home/ |
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| 23:00.25 | chipotle | abrotman: with just having / and /home, are you still able to reinstall the OS if something goes wrong and have all your files? i guess you still need to reinstall apps, right? |
| 23:00.29 | Iridos | chipotle, 25G is probably already plenty for /... you have 600G, so why not give it 50G |
| 23:00.34 | chipotle | abrotman: and ext2 is what you use for swap, right? |
| 23:00.41 | abrotman | swap doesn't have a filesystem |
| 23:00.56 | abrotman | chipotle: yes .. all the OS goes on / and your files are in /home/ |
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| 23:01.18 | abrotman | the only issue would be if you've dropped something like flash in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ .. but you'll figure that out quickly |
| 23:01.27 | doublehp | abrotman: can i make an annoucement about an unoficial debian installer ? |
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| 23:01.42 | abrotman | doublehp: you'd probably do better to send it to debian-user mailing list |
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| 23:02.04 | abrotman | doublehp: what does this installer do? |
| 23:02.20 | doublehp | abrotman: install debian on any android phone |
| 23:02.50 | abrotman | doublehp: try debian-user or debian-arm .. they're a better place to announce something like that i'd think |
| 23:05.52 | chipotle | abrotman: so what changed in the recommendations for partitions? i got my info from this article, which is dated 2005. this website has been incredibly useful for me in the past so i generally trust it... http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/the-importance-of-linux-partitions.html |
| 23:06.33 | abrotman | chipotle: it depends on the system use .. for a home system, it's total overkill |
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| 23:08.36 | chipotle | ok, i understand |
| 23:09.46 | Iridos | chipotle, there's good reasons to separate those off on a busy server and/or multiuser system |
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| 23:12.51 | Iridos | I dunno... it's still possibly that one needs /boot because the data is placed too far from the start of the disk? |
| 23:13.06 | syn3rgy | I just did a full system encryption of Debiban with dm-crypt/LUKS. Since the boot partition can not be encrypted I put that on a SD memory that can quickly be remove from my laptop. Now my question: |
| 23:13.08 | syn3rgy | How do I double check if I am using AES TXS for my system? |
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| 23:15.31 | syn3rgy | bump... |
| 23:15.36 | tharkun | syn3rgy: Make sure you have a plan B to enter to your machine when your SD fails |
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| 23:17.43 | syn3rgy | tharkun I have 2 other copies That I put in AES256 whilepool files on other machines =) |
| 23:18.16 | tharkun | syn3rgy: test them before you rely on them. I've seen that aproach fail at least once |
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| 23:18.44 | syn3rgy | tharkun they worked fine I am happy to say |
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| 23:18.52 | tharkun | Great |
| 23:19.41 | syn3rgy | tharkun do you know how I can see the "way" my system is encrypted. I am worried that CBC and not TXS is being used |
| 23:19.41 | FDFlock | Hello... |
| 23:19.43 | FDFlock | Why Debian repos lack "lame"? Is it the usual patent-related legal cr@p? I thought that lame would be fine after so many years, mp3 playback is included by default after all... |
| 23:19.45 | tharkun | as for double checking have you tried to dd your hdd into a file and decrypt it according to your expectations? I do not know if it would work but that would be what i do |
| 23:20.38 | tharkun | FDFlock: /msg dpkg lame afaik it is the license problem |
| 23:20.53 | FDFlock | tharkun: Thanks, I guessed so |
| 23:21.00 | themill | ,versions lame |
| 23:21.02 | judd | Package lame on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.98.4+repack2-4; wheezy: 3.98.4+repack2-4; sid-multimedia: 1:3.98.4-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.98.4-0.2 |
| 23:21.30 | tharkun | beeing on wheezy gives it the apropiate time frame |
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| 23:21.47 | FDFlock | Are the "multimedia" repos official Debian stuff? (sorry for the silly question, never needed them before) |
| 23:22.21 | syn3rgy | FDFlock I did this for ubuntu but I am sure you can mod it for Debian main www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0IDV6r-bCI |
| 23:22.24 | ParkerR | FDFlock, they are accepted. Maintained by the guy that runs it |
| 23:22.27 | amphi | !marillat |
| 23:22.27 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 23:23.58 | tharkun | FDFlock: lame has debian subdirectory for building packages, you just need to download the latest greates version from their website :-) |
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| 23:32.43 | nvz | hmm.. I'm suddenly having 2nd thoughts about what I was gonna ask... heh |
| 23:32.52 | FDFlock | so, marillat is unofficial and there are also debs floating around the net... thanks everyone, I'll try them! |
| 23:33.16 | nvz | Maybe I should just compile this game from the latest upstream source rather than trying to get this chroot all figured out |
| 23:33.34 | FDFlock | tharkun: Is "rarewares" the deb provider you are refering to? |
| 23:34.10 | FDFlock | On a sidenote, I am very happy that there aren't software patents in Europe (although the situation is a bit unclear)... Let's hope that US will eventually "see the light" as well |
| 23:34.28 | FDFlock | I'm not optimistic about that, though |
| 23:34.49 | tharkun | FDFlock: lames official sources have a rules subdir which debian uses to build .deb |
| 23:35.09 | unforgiven512 | Is there an official channel for GPG? |
| 23:35.45 | unforgiven512 | Or, perhaps, could someone in here help me? I'm having an...odd...issue. I'm missing one of my email addresses on my private key, but it's present on my public key. I don't get it. |
| 23:35.47 | tharkun | FDFlock: man dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 23:36.32 | tharkun | FDFlock: eventually you will get to know it and its great habilities :-) |
| 23:36.37 | FDFlock | tharkun: Oh, so I download the tar.gz and then use dpkg-buildpackage? (I guess I'm showing my ignorance here!) |
| 23:36.47 | knighthawk | Hello I'm trying to write a php script that needs to work in Debian and RHEL (I'm more familiar with RHEL btw). the shebang in RHEL is #!/usr/bin/php just wanted to check and see if anyone could tell me its the same in Debian. |
| 23:36.47 | FDFlock | tharkun: Thank you :) |
| 23:37.27 | tharkun | FDFlock: man debootstrap if you want to keep your system without a lot of building trees :) |
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| 23:37.46 | unforgiven512 | http://pastebin.com/n0qcu5Gb |
| 23:37.55 | LiENUS | erm is the example for running a serial console in squeeze's /etc/inittab broken? |
| 23:38.04 | LiENUS | look at T0 compared to 1-6 |
| 23:38.16 | unforgiven512 | There's a paste of the output of 'gpg --list-private-keys' and 'gpg --list-key 2E041507' |
| 23:38.49 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 23:41.14 | themill | LiENUS: what do you think is wrong with it? |
| 23:41.49 | LiENUS | #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 23:41.51 | LiENUS | shouldnt it be |
| 23:41.55 | LiENUS | #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 9600 ttyS0 vt100 |
| 23:41.56 | LiENUS | ? |
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| 23:42.57 | LiENUS | the other way around doesnt work for me |
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| 23:49.27 | capcook | hello |
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| 23:50.09 | tensorpudding | hello |
| 23:50.59 | ParkerR | Hello |
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| 23:51.23 | peterius | did something get updated on testing recently? my network doesn't work anymore |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | lots of things |
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| 23:52.40 | peterius | I'm trying to figure out what they changed but I'm not sure... does anyone know how /etc/network/interfaces works with the network manager? |
| 23:53.04 | peterius | I've tried changing the "managed" flag, I've tried adding "auto eth0" but I'm pretty sure I commented it out for a reason |
| 23:53.08 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm preparing to do a mass deployment of Debian and would like to script a series of configuration events to occur automatically after installation (creating more users, copying .desktop files to their desktop, etc.) What's the best way to do that? |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | !fai |
| 23:53.38 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:53.40 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 23:53.54 | peterius | this is such a headache, I may as well just write my own script to do dhclient and the route table sstuff |
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| 23:54.27 | nvz | what would be advisable if I wanna do a simple sid backport to lenny, and its missing one dependency (fp-compiler)? |
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| 23:55.05 | peterius | so I take it no one else's network stuff stopped working recently |
| 23:55.25 | themill | peterius: /usr/share/doc/network-manager contains documentation on this. But mostly, it sounds like you need to configure your dhcp server properly |
| 23:55.50 | peterius | well it was working and now it stopped, I've read some network-manager documentation but I'm trying to figure out what got changed |
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| 23:56.04 | tharkun | Pegasus_RPG: take a look at puppet |
| 23:56.08 | nvz | I guess I gotta backport the damn compiler if I wanna do that. heh |
| 23:57.11 | Pegasus_RPG | peterius: that's why I stopped using testing and switched to Squeeze + backports |
| 23:57.13 | tharkun | nvz: and before you have the compiler backported you will have another dependency missing until you end up on squeeze :) why don't you upgrade? |
| 23:57.31 | themill | nvz: not a chance of backporting a compiler like that... |
| 23:57.37 | peterius | testing used to be really stable a few years ago... like I thought there was an unstable release for this kind of stuff |
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| 23:57.59 | themill | peterius: no, that's what testing is for. |
| 23:58.33 | tharkun | peterius: testing is a pretty rough ride after a release, then it gets a bit smoother as time goes by ;P |
| 23:58.39 | peterius | well it didn't used to be, a few years ago, testing was like minor bugs and i switched because stable was so late in getting some package updates that were months and months old |
| 23:58.41 | nvz | tharkun: not enough space to upgrade right now |
| 23:59.09 | nvz | themill: yeah well I thought I could get this game backported easier than figuring out what the deal is with running it from chroot |
| 23:59.15 | tharkun | nvz: backporting a compiler as themill allready stated is pita |
| 23:59.25 | peterius | but something like network-manager, I mean damn... |
| 23:59.31 | nvz | themill: I overlooked the fact that it had pascal and I didnt ahve a compiler |
| 23:59.49 | themill | nvz: and the compiler build-depends on itself. Bootstrapping is fun. |
| 23:59.55 | peterius | ugh, I guess I'll just write my own script and mess with this another day, I'm just so sick of stuff breaking |