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| 00:07.02 | tharkun | nsadmin: 21:34 < nsadmin> tharkun, back. xdmcp to a remote gdm3? (like: X -query remote.running.gdm3.com) Sorry I do not understand. The users log dierctly on the phisical machine. |
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| 00:08.09 | tharkun | And if they make a mistake on their password, the gdm3 login shel just hangs there until /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
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| 00:32.58 | guzzlefry | is there a quick way to get color in bash? |
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| 00:35.00 | guzzlefry | is there a quick way to get color in bash? |
| 00:35.05 | jmarsden | guzzlefry: echo -e '\E[37;44m'"\033[1mThis is in colour\033[0m" |
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| 00:37.41 | tharkun | guzzlefry: depending on the command some have the --color option |
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| 00:56.19 | guzzlefry | anyone else getting disconnected from freenode? 0.o |
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| 00:58.26 | smhar | I installed geany and enabled the code folding in its preferences, but it is not shown anywhere |
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| 01:38.28 | smhar | how to tell grub to use a partition label instead of a /dev/sda notation? |
| 01:41.31 | phrantiq | hd0,1 |
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| 01:42.35 | phrantiq | UUID=XXXXXXXXXX |
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| 01:52.51 | I_Died_Once | ok, got a tv card, uses the ivtv module |
| 01:53.03 | I_Died_Once | no programs will let me just watch tv without hassle |
| 01:53.20 | I_Died_Once | mythtv is a p.i.t.a. to set up |
| 01:53.30 | I_Died_Once | not compatible with tvtime or kdetv |
| 01:53.31 | dvs | I_Died_Once: what happened to your wireless? |
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| 01:53.53 | I_Died_Once | it works, i only can not use any encryption on it else i panic he kernel |
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| 01:55.18 | I_Died_Once | anyway, the next issue and hopefully the last... the tv card |
| 01:55.22 | I_Died_Once | 02:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| 01:56.29 | I_Died_Once | evidentally people use these to record stuff |
| 01:56.46 | I_Died_Once | !ivtv |
| 01:56.46 | dpkg | The IVTV drivers provide support for Conexant CX23415/CX23416 based PCI hardware. Supported devices: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware . ivtv kernel driver and all related i2c drivers (inc. saa717x) are in mainline as of Linux 2.6.26, use of the ivtv-source package is not required on Lenny systems. Firmware is required, ask me about <ivtv firmware>. http://ivtvdriver.org/ See also <pvrusb2>. |
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| 01:57.10 | I_Died_Once | !ivtv firmware |
| 01:57.10 | dpkg | Firmware for devices supported by the cx88-blackbird, <ivtv> and <pvrusb2> drivers is available in the firmware-ivtv package. IVTV firmware can alternatively be extracted from the respective Windows drivers, see http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware for instructions. |
| 01:58.38 | gfrlog | hey guys, I'm trying to figure out how to make the ssh-agent lazily prompt for my key's password on first login attempt; ubuntu does this out of the box, but on another debian-derivative this doesn't happen, and I'm not sure how to replicate it. |
| 01:59.35 | gfrlog | the current behavior is that ssh doesn't ever all ssh-add, but if I do it explicitely then ssh will get the key from the agent thereafter |
| 01:59.43 | gfrlog | s/all/call |
| 02:00.10 | unforgiven512 | gfrlog, from GNOME... or from a terminal? |
| 02:00.19 | gfrlog | unforgiven512: terminal |
| 02:00.23 | unforgiven512 | Ah |
| 02:00.28 | gfrlog | well... |
| 02:00.32 | gfrlog | hmm |
| 02:00.32 | unforgiven512 | Not sure there. gnome-keyring handles things for me |
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| 02:00.55 | gfrlog | specifically I'm using crunchbang |
| 02:01.13 | gfrlog | which does not use gnome, unless I have no idea what I'm talking about |
| 02:01.34 | unforgiven512 | Hmm |
| 02:01.44 | unforgiven512 | No I don't believe it uses GNOME |
| 02:01.52 | gfrlog | I always call ssh from a terminal window though, in any distro, so I'm not sure what else you would have meant by "from gnome" |
| 02:02.25 | unforgiven512 | Well, at least on my setup, with GNOME, I open a terminal, do "ssh site.com" |
| 02:02.34 | gfrlog | exactly |
| 02:02.34 | unforgiven512 | and a box pops up prompting me for my key's passphrase |
| 02:02.44 | unforgiven512 | I enter it, and it's unlocked for the rest of my session |
| 02:02.55 | gfrlog | yes, that's how it happens for me in ubuntu as well |
| 02:03.05 | unforgiven512 | I'm using debian testing |
| 02:03.23 | unforgiven512 | Let me check something... you might be able to just install gnome-keyring |
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| 02:04.08 | gfrlog | unforgiven512: with `apt-get install gnome-keyring` I get: |
| 02:04.11 | gfrlog | gnome-keyring is already the newest version. gnome-keyring set to manually installed. |
| 02:04.34 | unforgiven512 | One sec |
| 02:06.12 | unforgiven512 | ssh-askpass-gnome ?? |
| 02:06.39 | gfrlog | installing |
| 02:06.44 | unforgiven512 | (or just ssh-askpass perhaps) |
| 02:06.54 | unforgiven512 | ssh-askpass does not have gnome/gtk dependencies |
| 02:07.06 | unforgiven512 | ssh-askpass-gnome, I believe, is what you are familiar with |
| 02:07.15 | unforgiven512 | seahorse may be helpful as well |
| 02:07.28 | gfrlog | ssh-askpass was also uninstalled |
| 02:07.35 | gfrlog | perhaps I'll remove the -gnome version and try this |
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| 02:07.43 | gfrlog | I suppose I can't figure out if it's working without rebooting |
| 02:07.45 | unforgiven512 | Install both |
| 02:07.54 | gfrlog | okay; both installed |
| 02:07.57 | unforgiven512 | (I have both installed, and it works well for me) |
| 02:08.04 | gfrlog | I'll reboot and give it a go then? |
| 02:08.12 | unforgiven512 | Sure, I'll be here. |
| 02:08.17 | gfrlog | k, thx |
| 02:08.21 | unforgiven512 | No problem |
| 02:08.23 | jmarsden | This is #debian. Support for crunchbang and Ubuntu and whatever else should be happening in their respective channels, not here... |
| 02:08.37 | unforgiven512 | gfrlog, You can PM me if you'd like. |
| 02:08.44 | gfrlog | jmarsden: I agree. the folks in #crunchbang didn't seem to know what was going on |
| 02:09.00 | unforgiven512 | lol |
| 02:09.03 | gfrlog | jmarsden: and I assumed that since ubuntu does it by default, its users might not be concerned about it |
| 02:09.33 | unforgiven512 | Doesn't surprise me. #ubuntu has never really been to helpful for me. And since I've switched to Debian, the folks in here have been extremely helpful. |
| 02:09.49 | unforgiven512 | Not to trash-talk or anything. Just saying. |
| 02:10.09 | gfrlog | :) I've had a terrible experience with ubuntu 11.04 so far, so I've definitely thought about trying debian |
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| 02:10.23 | karlpinc | For those new: |
| 02:10.31 | karlpinc | !introduction |
| 02:10.31 | dpkg | Debian is a free (as in <dfsg>) and universal operating system, best known for its <apt> package management. It mainly consists of three distributions <stable> (currently <Squeeze>), <testing> (currently <Wheezy>) and <unstable> (<Sid>). Each is further divided in several repositories, at least <main>, <contrib> and <non-free>. See also <overview>, <fundamentals>, <backports>, <security>, <general cli tutorial> and <reference>. |
| 02:10.34 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 02:10.35 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>, <introduction>. |
| 02:11.02 | unforgiven512 | gfrlog: Go with Debian testing... You'll love it. I've switched all my systems from 11.04 to testing, haven't looked back once. |
| 02:11.29 | gfrlog | unforgiven512: I will seriously consider it |
| 02:11.33 | gfrlog | be back in a moment |
| 02:11.44 | karlpinc | In here we offically recomend stable for newbies. If you want/need newer stuff use backports. |
| 02:11.56 | unforgiven512 | !grilled-cheese |
| 02:12.00 | unforgiven512 | ? lol |
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| 02:12.08 | unforgiven512 | Oh |
| 02:12.14 | unforgiven512 | Nevermind. I failed. |
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| 03:09.23 | Atrika | hi |
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| 03:24.06 | pipeline | testing one two three |
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| 03:25.04 | gimpy1305 | I having troulbe getting mdadm to start a degraded RAID5 on squeeze. Any idea what I am doing wrong? /proc/mdstat lists it as inactive. http://dpaste.com/599375/ |
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| 03:29.31 | SkilZ | What should I put for DNS servers on my other computer Im sharing net to? |
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| 03:32.45 | gimpy1305 | SkilZ: Any DNS server would work. |
| 03:33.23 | foobar_ | hi, shouldn't be these http://bit.ly/qDCOLG links pointing to libmysqlclient.so.18 and libmysqlclient_r.so.18? :) |
| 03:33.24 | gimpy1305 | Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 will work fine, but if you have an internal DNs server (such as your router's) then use that. |
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| 03:34.47 | SkilZ | Yes I just found out about google dns |
| 03:34.49 | SkilZ | very nice |
| 03:34.53 | SkilZ | and easy to remember |
| 03:35.04 | gimpy1305 | OpenDNS is ok too. |
| 03:35.45 | gimpy1305 | Your ISP of course has its own DNS servers, but many ISPs do things with DNS that are bad, like redirecting you to some ad page on bad results. |
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| 03:51.41 | jpinx | to make apt-get tell me the uris or to just download the .debs - is the syntax apt-get install -d <package> ? |
| 03:59.49 | zykotick9 | I have apt-cacher-ng running on a squeeze box, I've installed ubuntu 10.04 in a KVM VM and am trying use the apt-cacher-ng, but am getting 404s for everything when I "sudo apt-get update" yet in the /var/log/apt-cacher-ng/apt-cacher.log I see the requests coming from the VM's IP address. Is this an Ubuntu question? |
| 04:01.20 | LtL | jpinx: apt-get -d <package-name> should work. I wouldn't include 'install'. |
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| 04:03.44 | jpinx | LtL: that didn't do it |
| 04:04.08 | jpinx | I also need them to be downloaded to a different dir -- how is that done -- nothing in man :( |
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| 04:04.47 | iluminator101 | is there place where i can download preconfigured iptables rules for debian |
| 04:05.06 | Rusty1 | jpinx: apt-get -d ---print-uris install <packagename> ? |
| 04:07.25 | iluminator101 | i mean like is there like a standard blacklist ips? |
| 04:07.42 | jpinx | Rusty1: that just tries to install the package -- hence my question ;) |
| 04:07.50 | LtL | jpinx: make that dir your present working directory might be worth a try. |
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| 04:12.29 | beardy | iluminator101: No. But you can look at the denyhosts package and its syncing functionality, for ssh. You can use the ip:s for other services or all too of course. |
| 04:12.53 | beardy | iluminator101: Depends what you want to blacklist and why. |
| 04:13.54 | jpinx | beardy: I've rean man apt-get forwards and bvackwards, but can not see how to make it only download the packages and put them somewhere other than /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:14.28 | beardy | jpinx: Btw, the depends are different, as in, the packages are different, to answer oprevious thought/question. But ok. apt-get clean, then download, and grab? |
| 04:14.55 | beardy | jpinx: Different arch I mean. |
| 04:15.24 | jpinx | yes -- I thought arm would be different to i386 :( |
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| 04:16.07 | jpinx | and I haven't worked out how to get the eeepc direct to the internet through the usb ssh thingie |
| 04:16.48 | beardy | jpinx: So.. what has direct Internet connectivity now? |
| 04:17.18 | HTML-Hacker | i know how 2 access ring0 via html |
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| 04:19.46 | beardy | jpinx: You probably just have to set a default route to the device with Internet connectivity, if you can ssh between them? |
| 04:21.08 | jpinx | I'm ssh'd into the n900 ok... what to do to make it share the connection there? |
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| 04:28.01 | gimpy1305 | I having troulbe getting mdadm to start a degraded RAID5 on squeeze. Any idea what I am doing wrong? /proc/mdstat lists it as inactive. http://dpaste.com/599375/ |
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| 04:29.34 | codingenesis | hi friends need your help... |
| 04:29.46 | codingenesis | i can't use my right clik... |
| 04:29.53 | codingenesis | how can i fix it..?? |
| 04:30.05 | zykotick9 | codingenesis, you forgot to add "on ubuntu" |
| 04:31.18 | codingenesis | on ubuntu ?? |
| 04:31.36 | nsadmin | add a right mouse button!! |
| 04:31.53 | codingenesis | nsadmin how to do it ?? |
| 04:31.58 | codingenesis | i can't get you... |
| 04:32.02 | iluminator101 | beardy, cool, i thought there is like stand blacklist that is published on the web |
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| 04:32.21 | iluminator101 | permission to pm nsadmin |
| 04:32.40 | N-I-L | codingenesis: is your mouse physically broken? |
| 04:32.40 | nsadmin | it's easier to press right mouse button when you have one... |
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| 04:33.23 | codingenesis | N-I-L, no it's physically ok but not working on debian... |
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| 04:33.40 | codingenesis | i can't right click... |
| 04:34.25 | nsadmin | try running xev |
| 04:34.36 | N-I-L | is it a wireless mouse, ps2, usb, trackpad. what is it? |
| 04:35.00 | codingenesis | it's an usb mouse... |
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| 04:35.44 | iluminator101 | permission to pm beardy |
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| 04:36.45 | codingenesis | what should i do to make it work properly ?? |
| 04:36.47 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, thanks for your help the other day |
| 04:38.20 | nsadmin | welcome :) did everything work out? |
| 04:38.32 | iluminator101 | could i pm you on that |
| 04:39.28 | nsadmin | sure |
| 04:40.14 | yoshio | I_Died_Once, I tried googling for "RTL8185 debian kernel panic". http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtl-wifi/forums/forum/652149/topic/1847734 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27320 -- are you using WEP or WPA? try no encryption and see if it panics then. (sorry if this is a repeat for you, wasn't sure if you saw it) |
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| 04:43.11 | N-I-L | codingenesis: plug it in? |
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| 04:45.06 | twofish | is there a way to define post-update hooks in apt / aptitude |
| 04:45.31 | twofish | say for instance, I want a certain script to run every time after a certain package gets updated |
| 04:45.45 | twofish | er upgraded |
| 04:45.51 | codingenesis | N-I-L ya i removed and again plugged it in.... |
| 04:45.57 | codingenesis | but still no success... |
| 04:45.59 | codingenesis | :( |
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| 04:47.34 | twofish | like, say, I'm one of those crazies who wants to edit his grub.conf manually and would like to have it copied from a backup location every time post-upgrade to grub2 |
| 04:48.24 | twofish | (I hate the new grub system, I much preferred manually editing menu.lst) |
| 04:48.25 | N-I-L | codingenesis: try modprobe usbhid? |
| 04:49.07 | codingenesis | N-I-L ok i am trying it.. |
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| 04:50.30 | javier_ | .. |
| 04:51.06 | codingenesis | N-I-L when i enter modprobe usbhid nothing happends... |
| 04:51.30 | yoshio | twofish, look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ rkhunter in particular runs after each upgrade |
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| 04:54.35 | N-I-L | codingenesis: well read http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/46802-usb-mouse-not-working-udev-hotplug-problem.html#post347088 and see if any of that helps. |
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| 04:54.49 | N-I-L | or atleast thats what i would do |
| 04:55.41 | codingenesis | N-I-L ok thanks buddy..!! :) :) |
| 04:55.51 | codingenesis | hope this thing should work now.... |
| 04:56.26 | N-I-L | im not totally sure what the exact problem is. could be driver related or the controller it self. good luck. |
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| 04:57.07 | pokrovsky | who wants to chat with a Russian guy? |
| 04:57.09 | codingenesis | N-I-L thanks for your support ...!!! |
| 04:57.11 | codingenesis | :) |
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| 04:57.50 | N-I-L | nods at codingenesis. |
| 04:57.56 | N-I-L | wish i had more for you |
| 04:59.39 | codingenesis | N-I-L you already helped me as much as you can..!! :) :) |
| 05:00.07 | codingenesis | let me figure it out what's wrong...with the help that you have provided... |
| 05:00.09 | codingenesis | :) |
| 05:00.21 | nsadmin | pokrovsky, maybe on #defocus |
| 05:00.28 | zykotick9 | codingenesis, you might consider installing Debian and seeing if it works - you should now see that the support is generally better then the distro you're currently using |
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| 05:01.11 | N-I-L | i guess i missed that debian was not being used. |
| 05:01.53 | zykotick9 | N-I-L, no, you didn't really miss it, codingenesis just didn't disclose it - though I got quite the PM about pointing out the Ubuntu part |
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| 05:02.06 | N-I-L | seemed odd that a right mouse button would not work |
| 05:02.20 | zykotick9 | N-I-L, agreed |
| 05:02.28 | codingenesis | N-I-L i was on debian and ubuntu installed side by side. Right now i am on debian...!! sorry for the part i didn't disclosed... |
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| 05:02.42 | codingenesis | sorry friends..!! :( |
| 05:02.48 | N-I-L | no worries |
| 05:03.10 | codingenesis | Thanks :) |
| 05:03.39 | N-I-L | have you tried the mouse on something else though, is it a known good device? |
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| 05:04.00 | N-I-L | i want to say its just busted, get a new one. heh! |
| 05:04.31 | codingenesis | ya it's perfectly working normal....!! possibly it might have got busted...i should try with a new mouse..!! |
| 05:04.37 | codingenesis | :) |
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| 05:05.32 | N-I-L | well it is not working apparently. |
| 05:06.14 | codingenesis | hmm... |
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| 05:06.53 | N-I-L | raises his eyebrow questioningly. |
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| 05:13.00 | cesurasean | hi guys. i have a debian squeeze server that seems to be locking up. i stopped port 80 traffic to it, and i still can't get it to respond via ssh, yet it responds to my pings. what can i do? |
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| 05:13.34 | gimpy1305 | cesurasean: If pings work but not SSH then either sshd isn't running or the userland is dead and the kernel is still alive. |
| 05:14.25 | cesurasean | what is userland? |
| 05:14.34 | cesurasean | why would ssh stop running? lol |
| 05:14.49 | cesurasean | when i go to the console of the machine, its frozen too and can't login. |
| 05:14.59 | cesurasean | the machine is basically froze. |
| 05:15.35 | gimpy1305 | Sounds like it is time for a power cycle. Userland is anything that is not running in kernel mode (httpd, sshd, bash...) |
| 05:16.20 | jmarsden | !sysrq |
| 05:16.21 | dpkg | i guess sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
| 05:16.29 | cesurasean | I just powercycled like 2 days ago. :( |
| 05:17.09 | gimpy1305 | After it comes back up, check /var/log/messages to see if it logged a reason for the crash |
| 05:17.12 | jmarsden | cesurasean: The sysrq thing might be worth a try, for a cleaner reboot that you would get by power cycling |
| 05:17.25 | cesurasean | how does sysrq work? i dont understand. |
| 05:17.34 | cesurasean | ohh |
| 05:17.41 | jmarsden | Read the docs... there are magic key combinations that do things to Linux... |
| 05:17.41 | cesurasean | alt print screen, then b? |
| 05:17.56 | gimpy1305 | Hold all of them yes, then loet got of b, then u, then s.... |
| 05:18.31 | gimpy1305 | I use the word busier backwards to sync and crash a machine. Looks at the wikipedia entry for what each does |
| 05:18.32 | cesurasean | so, s, u b? |
| 05:18.34 | cesurasean | or b us? |
| 05:18.52 | gimpy1305 | It's slightly safer than just pulling the power as it tries to flush the disk cache. |
| 05:19.07 | cesurasean | yeah, so what keys do i press? |
| 05:19.17 | cesurasean | alt-printscreen + s, then u, then b? |
| 05:19.25 | gimpy1305 | Hold down alt and print screen then hit whatever letter you want. Let's start with r. |
| 05:19.39 | gimpy1305 | Then repeat for e i s u b |
| 05:19.47 | gimpy1305 | wait a few seconds between each one. |
| 05:19.55 | cesurasean | what does r do? |
| 05:20.00 | cesurasean | or e and i? |
| 05:20.13 | jmarsden | See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 05:20.14 | gimpy1305 | That will take control of the machine, send a TERM to all processes, send a KILL to all processes, sync the disk cache, then reboot. |
| 05:20.24 | gimpy1305 | It's all in the wiki. |
| 05:20.37 | cesurasean | ok |
| 05:20.48 | cesurasean | ill send if it responds. :/ |
| 05:20.53 | gimpy1305 | r i e s u b is what I use, you can do whatever you want. read what each one does. |
| 05:21.13 | gimpy1305 | r e i s u b actually... |
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| 05:24.13 | jokar | all: |
| 05:24.16 | jokar | hello |
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| 05:24.25 | N-I-L | hi jokar |
| 05:25.15 | jokar | i create a swap file and want auto mount it,in fstab file i write /media/linux/Swap swap swap defaults 0 0 and then i write mount -a command but my swap file not mounted |
| 05:25.21 | jokar | N-I-L: hi |
| 05:26.03 | jokar | when i use swapon /media/linux/Swap ,my swap mounted |
| 05:26.18 | jokar | but for auto mount it what should i do? |
| 05:27.35 | dominusceo | did you check /var/log/dmesg logs? |
| 05:27.54 | jokar | nah |
| 05:28.01 | jokar | it is not show me any error |
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| 05:31.24 | cesurasean | ok, i checked the machine and it sounded like it was still processing data or something, well i ran those commands and it rebooted. |
| 05:31.37 | cesurasean | is it possible the system ran out of memory? |
| 05:31.46 | cesurasean | apache had some things on the screen saying out of memory. killing pid. |
| 05:33.00 | jokar | i create a swap file but i can't hibernate my linux,it is show me not enough memory |
| 05:33.24 | gimpy1305 | cesurasean: Yep, that's OOM. You ran out of memory and swap. |
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| 05:34.33 | cesurasean | what could cause this? php? |
| 05:35.28 | cesurasean | there's stuff like this in /var/log/messages ; http://pastebin.com/XBSpbnWa |
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| 05:36.24 | cesurasean | and, apache logs say this; [Sat Aug 20 21:00:04 2011] [notice] child pid 26380 exit signal Floating point exception (8) |
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| 05:40.43 | wols_ | cesurasean: either you have a system that has a really big memory leak or your don't have enough virtual memory |
| 05:41.03 | wols_ | jokar: you need a swap partition IIRC |
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| 05:41.57 | jokar | wols_: i can't mount swap file? |
| 05:42.11 | jokar | wols_: i can mount it manually |
| 05:42.38 | cesurasean | why do i see this in mytop; 8 debian-sy localhost 884 Query pligg_links |
| 05:42.50 | cesurasean | why would debian-system be running this command? |
| 05:42.52 | wols_ | jokar: you can't use a swap _file_ for hibernation |
| 05:43.03 | jokar | wols_: after mount my swap file,linux can't hibernate,it show me not enough memory |
| 05:43.33 | N-I-L | could a swap file be defined in fstab for this purpose though? |
| 05:43.34 | wols_ | jokar: you need a swap partition |
| 05:43.39 | jokar | wols_: aha,i understand,but i can't auto mount it too? |
| 05:43.55 | wols_ | of course you can. you can put it in fstab and it gets mounted as any other swap |
| 05:44.10 | N-I-L | still cant hibernate though? |
| 05:44.14 | jokar | wols_: i has it but it is only 512MB |
| 05:44.46 | N-I-L | i mean if its a file vs a partition |
| 05:44.51 | jokar | wols_: ok |
| 05:45.41 | jokar | wols_: can you show me a command line in fstab foe mount swap file? |
| 05:47.45 | cesurasean | mysql has ramped up to 99.9 cpu usage. is there anyway to not allow it to use so much cpu? |
| 05:48.26 | N-I-L | i think cpulimit does that |
| 05:50.10 | wols_ | jokar: man 5 fstab |
| 05:50.21 | cesurasean | why does mytop show this; 8 debian-sy localhost 1351 Query pligg_links |
| 05:50.28 | cesurasean | why would debian-sy be running queries on mysql? |
| 05:51.06 | N-I-L | wols_: if defined correctly in fstab could a file then be used for hibernation vs a dedicated partition? |
| 05:51.31 | wols_ | N-I-L: afaik no. it depends on the method you use for hibernation tho |
| 05:51.51 | N-I-L | huh interesting, thanks. |
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| 06:48.11 | treebeen | so, why do inactive entries in the arp table not get removed? even when i delete them with 'arp -d' they still stick around as 'incomplete' (and this already half a day now)... so each time I use a machine temporarily and take it off the net again, arp -a will take ages |
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| 07:18.28 | jmarsden | treebeen: arp -an will avoid the reverse DNS lookups and make it a lot quicker. |
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| 07:26.37 | pokrovsky | hello people) |
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| 07:26.50 | pokrovsky | Ðóññêèå îòàâèòåñü! |
| 07:26.55 | pokrovsky | Ðóññêèå îòçàâèòåñü! |
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| 07:27.09 | treebeen | jmarsden: yeah, but currently for example uses 'arp -a' and this really slows it down |
| 07:27.19 | treebeen | *puppet uses |
| 07:28.01 | treebeen | what I wonder is why the incomplete entries do not get removed, I've read somewhere they should be gone after 30s |
| 07:28.09 | treebeen | is this a bug? |
| 07:28.57 | jmarsden | treebeen: I'm not sure... as a workaround at least, can you arrange things so when you add machines and they get DHCP, the DHCP server dynamicaly adds a forward and reverse DNS record to your DNS server... then the lookups by arp -a will all work. |
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| 07:29.47 | jmarsden | It's fairly normal to do that anyway, isn't it. so your internal DNS servers know of all the machines on your network? |
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| 07:33.55 | treebeen | jmarsden: yes, i have ddns in place, but I think the entry is removed after the machine is gone... hmm |
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| 07:35.01 | jmarsden | OK... if you can make them stick around for 24 hours or something, it would probably help... but the real fix is to get the arp cache cleared, as you say. I just don't know of any tools for fiddling with the arp cache... |
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| 07:40.18 | treebeen | well, sometimes I use a machine once in a week so that's not really a solution :) |
| 07:40.24 | treebeen | or once a month |
| 07:43.24 | treebeen | ah, well it's not a tragedy. puppet works with some delay, but at least it's working... now I can go about creating aliases and dotfiles that propagate to all my machines :) |
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| 08:35.50 | aminpy | how can I rebuild alsamixer? |
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| 08:37.51 | Connor1 | Quick question, my netbook starts in run level two, starting X only when necessary. Currently, I can only connect to wireless internet by starting X and running "nm-applet." Any ideas on starting my wireless drivers entirely in the command line? I use wicd-curses to connect to wireless otherwise. |
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| 08:39.42 | wols_ | Connor1: then use wicd full time. there is also network manager for the cli |
| 08:39.52 | wols_ | aminpy: what for? |
| 08:39.59 | Connor1 | wols_, I can't seem to figure out how to start my wireless through wicd... |
| 08:41.12 | wols_ | start the wicd curses program and add it |
| 08:41.21 | wols_ | or you can use the interfaces file for your wireless too |
| 08:41.42 | aminpy | wols_, my sound doesn't work in iMac |
| 08:41.53 | aminpy | wols_, I want to rebuild alsamixer |
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| 08:44.45 | sickgut | ive got 169.254.139.25 as my ip .... anyone know what a likely gateway address would be for the router? |
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| 08:45.19 | sickgut | or does a 169 mean i got failed dhcp |
| 08:45.38 | rww | it means you failed at dhcp |
| 08:45.49 | sickgut | np |
| 08:45.52 | rww | 169.254.0.0/16 is the link-local block |
| 08:47.11 | wols_ | aminpy: and I asked you why you want to rebuild alsamixer. |
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| 08:50.59 | aminpy | wols_, I asked another one for my problem in iMac, he said you should rebuild alsa! |
| 08:51.34 | aminpy | wols_, how can I fix my sound problem in iMac? |
| 08:51.38 | wols_ | aminpy: fyi "alsa" is in the kernel |
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| 08:52.13 | wols_ | since you have an apple, I suggest google. cause there are only very few types if imacs and many people have run linux on it so far |
| 08:52.45 | wols_ | s/if/of/ |
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| 08:54.38 | wols_ | aminpy: so which imac do you have? |
| 08:55.14 | Woet | why would you voluntary install debian on an imac |
| 08:55.43 | wols_ | to get rid of Steve Jobs thinking it's his computer |
| 08:55.55 | Woet | then why buy an imac in the first place? |
| 08:56.16 | wols_ | temporary insanity? |
| 08:56.32 | Woet | maybe |
| 08:56.46 | Woet | but usually when you buy an imac you buy it for os x and all its goodness |
| 08:56.51 | aminpy | I'm working in a company and I should work with iMac there. |
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| 09:01.56 | aminpy | wols_, 4G RAM, 1280x1024, cori5 |
| 09:02.52 | daedaluz | "working in a company and I should work with iMac there." -> Install Debian |
| 09:03.28 | daedaluz | <insert silly emoticon here> |
| 09:03.54 | Woet | yea, i'm not following it either |
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| 09:04.24 | daedaluz | anyway, my OOo is glitchy in KDE, buttons randomly disappear and dialogue boxes are garbled. compositing is off, using sun-java instead of openjdk. any clues? |
| 09:04.36 | Connor1 | I have no idea how to use nmcli lol |
| 09:04.57 | aminpy | thanks a lot for your helps! |
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| 09:05.24 | daedaluz | I'm running stable 6 |
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| 09:16.12 | shleda | hi, I am unable to send mail either using mail command or php mail |
| 09:17.20 | kish | shleda, how does your mail command look |
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| 09:17.49 | shleda | echo "This is a test." | mail -s TestingTestingTestingTesting shleda@yahoo.com |
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| 09:19.07 | kish | i tried that |
| 09:19.10 | kish | i got: send-mail: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory |
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| 09:20.27 | shleda | I have followed some guides on net |
| 09:20.37 | shleda | ran exim4-config |
| 09:20.40 | shleda | but it doesn't work |
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| 09:40.09 | war9407 | Is there a way to get the size in bytes of each package installed in Debian? |
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| 09:41.19 | utrrrongeeb | war9407: Probably, although I'm not the person to ask.. Are you trying to make a space-constrained system, or eliminate a few disk hogs? |
| 09:41.38 | war9407 | Both but eliminate a few disk hogs at the moment. |
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| 09:45.17 | utrrrongeeb | war9407: In the package debian-goodies is a program called dpigs. It will find the largest packages. |
| 09:45.28 | war9407 | thx! I will try it out |
| 09:45.36 | nkuttler | war9407: package size is usually less important than user data |
| 09:45.37 | utrrrongeeb | war9407: No problem |
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| 09:46.14 | utrrrongeeb | nkuttler: Depends on the disk and the install, but for a production desktop, you're usually correct. |
| 09:46.56 | Woet | war9407: how big is your hard disk? |
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| 09:47.35 | nkuttler | you'd need a tiny disk or install lots of useless packages to run out of space |
| 09:47.46 | Woet | what nkuttler said |
| 09:47.59 | nkuttler | unless you install data-heavy games and such |
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| 09:48.34 | Alfabet | war9407, have you heard about localepurge? |
| 09:48.46 | utrrrongeeb | nkuttler: Debian doesn't ship with more than a couple GiBs of those, does it? (pardon the pun) |
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| 09:49.10 | j0inty | hi @ll...I have a problem with squeeze (6.0.2). After install the mysql-server package the /etc/init.d/mysql script is missing. So the commands /etc/init.d/mysql and service mysql start doesn't work |
| 09:49.22 | nkuttler | !tell j0inty about confmiss |
| 09:49.32 | ompaul | war9407: look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 09:50.03 | ompaul | war9407: and how big is your disk? |
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| 09:55.15 | daedaluz | Why does "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install ure" want to remove 247 packages, while "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install ure uno-libs3" removes none? |
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| 09:55.40 | daedaluz | I'm curious. Makes no sense, as uno-libs3 would be automatic dependency anyways |
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| 09:57.17 | j0inty | nkuttler: the aptitude command with the extra confmiss stuff doesn't work, too. http://pastebin.com/zhxgNNwe |
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| 09:58.03 | nkuttler | j0inty: mysql-server is a meta package |
| 09:58.14 | nkuttler | so mysql-server-foo i guess |
| 09:58.30 | j0inty | ahh ok...i understand... |
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| 09:59.40 | nkuttler | daedaluz: not familiar with aptitude.. but the former installs the squeeze lib and removes all your backports? |
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| 10:01.11 | daedaluz | nkuttler: no, the funny part is it wants to remove my GNOME completely |
| 10:01.36 | nkuttler | backported gnome? |
| 10:01.49 | daedaluz | nope, backported nothing yet |
| 10:02.35 | daedaluz | have a look: http://pastebin.com/3AyMcCqr |
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| 10:06.53 | voltagex | what is the *correct* way to mount an EXT3 partition so that all users on my system have read-write? |
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| 10:07.39 | utrrrongeeb | voltagex: The best way through /etc/fstab? |
| 10:08.02 | voltagex | utrrrongeeb: yeah, Google shows most people chmod 777, which I want to avoid |
| 10:08.58 | llutz | voltagex: if you really want ALL having rw access, 777 is the way to go. fstab/mount-options are only for non-unix filesystems |
| 10:09.03 | Trewas | voltagex: you have to set permissions of directories to allow read/write for everyone after mounting it, mount options are the way to go with vfat for example, because it does not have the concept of user-specific permissions |
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| 10:10.42 | voltagex | llutz, Trewas: EXT3 maybe the wrong filesystem for a shared drive then? Or can I use Samba to "fake" some permissions? |
| 10:11.39 | voltagex | maybe chmod 770, chown some-shared-group and I can keep some sense of security? |
| 10:11.40 | llutz | voltagex: just adjust permissions to your needs, chown/chmod only those dirs, all users need access. |
| 10:12.22 | voltagex | llutz: adding a group seems like the easiest way then. |
| 10:12.26 | llutz | voltagex: "having ALL users rw" and security doesn't fit together. put all your users into a common group and use 770 then |
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| 10:12.48 | voltagex | llutz: I should clarify - all users I allow to have RW ;) |
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| 10:13.00 | llutz | voltagex: chgrp the fs to that common group then |
| 10:13.22 | llutz | put all your "allowed" users into that common group then* |
| 10:13.32 | Trewas | voltagex: ext3 is not a good filesystem for USB-drive etc you want to use in many systems, user/group permissions are stored as numeric uid/gid values so it will make even less sense |
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| 10:14.20 | nkuttler | voltagex: see also sgid |
| 10:14.22 | utrrrongeeb | Trewas: Which FS is? |
| 10:14.44 | nkuttler | ext3 is just fine as long as your os supports it |
| 10:14.50 | Trewas | utrrrongeeb: they all suck in that regard :) |
| 10:15.43 | Trewas | vfat would be fine, except for the 4GB filesize limit |
| 10:16.06 | utrrrongeeb | Trewas: Drat, I was hoping, by your singling-out of ext3, that ext4 or btrsfs was better.... |
| 10:16.06 | Trewas | nkuttler: and only if you have same users (UIDs) in every system |
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| 10:16.21 | nkuttler | did he say removable disk? |
| 10:16.56 | Trewas | hrm I thought so, but apparently not :) |
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| 10:17.27 | voltagex | Trewas: shared by Samba, not physically |
| 10:17.45 | voltagex | Trewas: I guess the next question is, what user does Samba read/write as? |
| 10:19.26 | Trewas | voltagex: samba supports unix extensions so it can store the correct user/group information |
| 10:19.35 | Trewas | based on who mounted it remotely |
| 10:20.02 | voltagex | Trewas: assume the client OS does not support such extensions. |
| 10:20.05 | utrrrongeeb | ...Speaking of Samba... or should I ask all those on #samba? |
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| 10:21.06 | Trewas | voltagex: I think it can still get the user right, unix extensions are afaik for supporting read/write/execute etc bits |
| 10:22.00 | voltagex | Trewas: so I have to find out how \WINDOWSMACHINE\username is mapped by Samba to the correct username - I believe my Windows machines are currently trying to log on "anonymously" |
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| 10:26.19 | Rawod | need help |
| 10:26.21 | Rawod | with english |
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| 10:51.58 | fabiobik | how to change resolution of screen? |
| 10:52.22 | fabiobik | to the minimum |
| 10:52.45 | voltagex | Trewas: all working very well now, thanks! |
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| 10:53.10 | voltagex | I'm probably doing something that shouldn't be done, but is it possible to move the location of the apt-get lockfile? |
| 10:54.12 | themill | !wayttd voltagex |
| 10:54.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, voltagex? |
| 10:54.46 | voltagex | themill: have all machines use a shared Dir::archives path - but unfortunately this also sets the location of the lockfile |
| 10:54.49 | wols_ | fabiobik: depends a bit on the driver you use. usually xrandr |
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| 10:55.11 | wols_ | voltagex: there are other solutions to that. like apt-cacher-ng or other proxies |
| 10:55.14 | dondelelcaro | voltagex: why do you want the machines to share an archives path? |
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| 10:55.46 | voltagex | dondelelcaro: 6 machines on a slow shared connection - I have frustrated myself with all caching/proxying solutions |
| 10:56.03 | dondelelcaro | voltagex: well, if you must do something like that, file:/// is what you want. |
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| 10:56.52 | voltagex | dondelelcaro: for the apt sources.list yes. I was hoping there was a Dir::archives::lockfile option in apt.conf. |
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| 10:57.42 | themill | voltagex: the purpose of that lockfile is prevent more than one "apt-get update" running at the same time. You don't want to circumvent that lock. |
| 10:58.09 | voltagex | themill: I'm not going to, I was just hoping to have lockfile_hostname |
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| 10:58.43 | themill | voltagex: that wouldn't actually lock that directory then, would it? |
| 10:59.05 | wols_ | voltagex: why don't you want to use something like apt-cacher-ng? |
| 10:59.09 | voltagex | themill: what is the consequence of two machines reading/writing into that path at once? |
| 10:59.26 | voltagex | wols_: I know I really should, I have just had a lot of trouble getting apt-cacher-ng working correctly. |
| 11:00.04 | wols_ | you will get more problems, especially when you successfully break the .lock file with your current attempted scheme |
| 11:00.34 | voltagex | wols_: point taken. I will come back here if I have trouble setting up apt-cacher-ng this time. |
| 11:01.11 | wols_ | voltagex: there might be (or at least should be) alternatives to apt-cacher afaik |
| 11:01.52 | wols_ | !tell voltagex about approx |
| 11:02.00 | voltagex | wols_: aren't they all abandoned now? |
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| 11:02.14 | voltagex | I remember investigating this a few years ago. |
| 11:02.29 | wols_ | ,versions approx |
| 11:02.31 | judd | Package approx on i386 -- lenny: 3.3.0; lenny-backports: 4.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.5-1+squeeze1; sid: 5.1-1; wheezy: 5.1-1 |
| 11:02.34 | wols_ | seems to be alive and kicking |
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| 11:04.28 | voltagex | approx it is then. |
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| 11:16.07 | thescrutator | I'm looking at the FAQ 10.1, but it doesn't seem right... |
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| 11:16.38 | thescrutator | It claims that if I wish to install and copile a kernel, then I should add '-I path/to/my/linux/include' to any programs that expect kernel sources? |
| 11:16.42 | thescrutator | But that seems /wrong/! |
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| 11:17.37 | thescrutator | Why should such projects need to refernece kernel sources that libc was not compliled with? |
| 11:19.02 | xingu | thescrutator: because the kernel abi is written in stone the same way jell-o is nailed to walls. |
| 11:19.47 | thescrutator | xingu: So you're suggesting that it makes sense to have a program and the libc it depends on *disagree* as to what kernel api to ue? |
| 11:19.49 | thescrutator | *se |
| 11:19.50 | thescrutator | *use |
| 11:20.03 | xingu | thescrutator: abi != api. |
| 11:20.16 | thescrutator | Even worse, disagree on the ABI? |
| 11:20.32 | xingu | "worse" is relative |
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| 11:21.02 | xingu | bcopy(2) is a good example of why breaking broken things early is a good thing to do |
| 11:21.14 | thescrutator | Given that the kernel abi is more or less backwards compatible, it would seem that one should make sure that all libraries in a program that use it require an agreement as to what abi that should be? |
| 11:21.27 | xingu | the kernel abi is not more or less backward compatible |
| 11:21.59 | thescrutator | I mean, if a libc is compiled against kernel 1.2.3, then it'll work with 1.2.4, 1.2.5, and quite possibly even 1.3.x |
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| 11:22.27 | thescrutator | But indeed, not neccessarily 1.2.2, because that's earlier. Perhaps I meant forwards compatible. |
| 11:22.32 | thescrutator | Depending on perspective. |
| 11:22.35 | dud | someone has time to help me for a little grub2 issue? |
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| 11:23.23 | thescrutator | xingu: But given that you have libc compiled against, say, 1.2.3, why does it make sense to compile a different program against a wholly different kernel API? |
| 11:23.29 | thescrutator | ABI, rathe. |
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| 11:24.03 | xingu | thescrutator: think it through; why would userspace need to include a kernel header at all? |
| 11:24.11 | xingu | (as opposed to a libc header) |
| 11:24.25 | dud | i wantet to boot from /dev/md3 so do i have to modify the grub2 at start http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/img0821124510.jpg/ |
| 11:24.37 | dud | do i have to uncomment just those linux= line or what? |
| 11:24.52 | thescrutator | xingu: Perhaps they wish to either bypass libc, or use a routine or system call that libc does not provide? |
| 11:25.38 | xingu | thescrutator: so when the data structure involved changes, what needs to happen? |
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| 11:25.57 | SkilZ | How can I access my windows shares? |
| 11:26.08 | thescrutator | xingu: By your line of reasoning, the application should be compiled against the new kernel in order to match the data structures used. |
| 11:26.16 | thescrutator | xingu: But libc's expecting the old ABI!!! |
| 11:26.27 | xingu | thescrutator: libc gets updated when the abi it depends on changes. |
| 11:27.12 | SkilZ | Do I need samba-common |
| 11:27.19 | voltagex | approx seems to be requesting the wrong directory |
| 11:27.43 | namtorba | SkilZ: what kind of shares? access from where? |
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| 11:27.59 | Charybdis | j #Debian-Testing |
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| 11:28.05 | SkilZ | I want to browse my C: on my Windows 7 computer (192.168.0.3) |
| 11:28.10 | SkilZ | namtorba: |
| 11:28.16 | SkilZ | from here |
| 11:28.17 | wols_ | SkilZ: install smbfs |
| 11:28.18 | SkilZ | my debian box |
| 11:28.28 | namtorba | from what? gnome? your vcr? |
| 11:28.40 | SkilZ | From Fluxbox |
| 11:29.07 | voltagex | SkilZ: install smbfs and mount or set up a mountpoint for //192.168.0.3/C$ but you're better off setting up a proper share on Windows, and using the hostname in /etc/fstab |
| 11:29.08 | SkilZ | I thought Thunar could can't it but theres no 'Network' feature in it |
| 11:29.46 | SkilZ | voltagex: I did, I right clicked on C: in windows and 'Share Read+Write' now what? |
| 11:29.53 | thescrutator | xingu: Still doesn't quite make sense. If the ABI changes, then shouldn't *both* the application, and the libraries it uses, change? |
| 11:29.59 | voltagex | SkilZ: what's the share name according to Windows? |
| 11:30.04 | thescrutator | xingu: It also more or less directly contradicts the kernel README. |
| 11:30.49 | xingu | thescrutator: the point is in the linux model compatibility is tertiary - good design first, spec conformance second, then not breaking userspace unnecessarily third (or so it seems having watched all this circle around); if userspace is tightly bound to the kernel, there's a fairly good chance that it's hitting at an emerging part of the kernel, and that it'll need to track the kernel release cycle. |
| 11:31.22 | xingu | thescrutator: there's a good argument in favour of putting such code in a library on its own (the kernel's) release cycle |
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| 11:31.42 | voltagex | Any ideas why approx is requesting the wrong URLs for debian-security? http://pastebin.com/YAibQqPb and config is http://pastebin.com/7JqEMqHB |
| 11:31.43 | xingu | thescrutator: generally speaking userspace just doesn't need to hit at the kernel abi directly |
| 11:31.46 | thescrutator | xingu: That argument makes sense. |
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| 11:32.47 | xingu | thescrutator: history is littered with projects that attempted to carry old screwups forward indefinitely - it's rarely a good idea in the long run |
| 11:33.06 | SkilZ | voltagex: \\Skilz-pc\c |
| 11:33.25 | namtorba | voltagex: what is your security line in your approx.conf, what is the apt source on the client? |
| 11:33.30 | voltagex | so, can you run some commands from your Debian machine now? |
| 11:33.36 | thescrutator | xingu: Yep, in this argument I was more or less askign: "Why do we compile an application to a *different* kernel, when it's libraries expect the old ABI?". |
| 11:33.48 | voltagex | namtorba: config was pasted in the question, checking apt.conf now |
| 11:34.03 | voltagex | namtorba: I meant sources.list |
| 11:34.07 | thescrutator | xingu: I'm quite comfortable with the idea that libc should be upgraded at the same time, however. (Ignoring the fact that a libc upgrade is very non-trivial) |
| 11:34.17 | voltagex | namtorba: deb http://dream.local:9999/debian-security testing/updates main contrib |
| 11:34.21 | namtorba | voltagex: on a phone, with irssi .. "clicking" isnt as easy as you might think :) |
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| 11:34.31 | xingu | thescrutator: fortunately the parts of kernel abi that libc actually hits at are stable... mostly... |
| 11:34.34 | SkilZ | What kind of file viewer do I need to view \\Skilz-PC\C ? |
| 11:34.37 | voltagex | namtorba: I could text it to you ;) |
| 11:34.41 | namtorba | hehe |
| 11:34.53 | voltagex | SkilZ: It looks like SMBFS/CIFS was never put into thunar. |
| 11:35.03 | xingu | thescrutator: have a look at how long it took between the kernel vdso support and widespread availability of same in libc for instance. :) |
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| 11:35.30 | thescrutator | xingu: not sure what vdso was, but I did feel the nptl threading changes quite keenly. |
| 11:35.38 | voltagex | SkilZ: your best bet is to use smbfs or fusesmb to mount it, and then just let Thunar browse it, because it's a normal directory. |
| 11:35.40 | xingu | nods |
| 11:36.25 | SkilZ | voltagex: How do I use smbfs to mound it? |
| 11:36.28 | SkilZ | mount |
| 11:36.44 | voltagex | SkilZ: add a line to /etc/fstab, are you familiar with doing that or would you like some help? |
| 11:36.55 | SkilZ | I'll have a go |
| 11:37.04 | SkilZ | I may require your assistance |
| 11:37.23 | voltagex | SkilZ: you need to have installed smbfs first, do you have samba itself installed on your Debian box? (not required) |
| 11:37.25 | SkilZ | Okay, where do I add it at the bottom of the file? |
| 11:37.34 | voltagex | SkilZ: yes |
| 11:37.39 | SkilZ | voltagex: I just installed smbfs |
| 11:37.52 | SkilZ | So what line would I put? |
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| 11:37.56 | xingu | thescrutator: the other thing to keep in mind is that the abi isn't just changing for the fun of it; there's a problem being fixed; the threading stuff is immature because the programming models to date aren't necessarily well designed; the nptl model is a good _porting layer_ (ticks the "compatibility" box) but isn't necessarily good engineering - considering the hw capabilities/ design of the systems it's available to. |
| 11:38.03 | voltagex | sorry namtorba, what info did you require from me? |
| 11:38.37 | SkilZ | '\\Skilz-pc\c' ? or '192.168.0.3'? |
| 11:38.42 | voltagex | SkilZ: //SkilZ-PC/c |
| 11:38.42 | thescrutator | xingu: Yep, I realise that, but suppose, for this argument, that there was indeed a change in the threading stuff. |
| 11:38.46 | xingu | thescrutator: for instance try and wrap your brain around using nptl to run CUDA-esque "warps"; then consider every shipping CPU is growing stream processors... |
| 11:39.09 | thescrutator | xingu: Wouldn't all hell break loose if your application used threads, compiled against the latest ABI yet libc assumed that the old ABI was still being used? |
| 11:39.22 | SkilZ | For the file system? |
| 11:39.40 | voltagex | SkilZ: should be smbfs, or not needed at all, hang on let me check what I have |
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| 11:39.49 | SkilZ | I need something for file system, mount point, type, optnios, dump and pass |
| 11:39.52 | SkilZ | woah |
| 11:39.52 | xingu | thescrutator: yes, if libc is providing an api by passing garbage over to a now-changed abi it'll be segfault city. |
| 11:39.54 | koko_ | hello |
| 11:40.15 | thescrutator | xingu: This was essentially my argument. Isn't it wrong for the FAQ to suggest that such inconsistency is fine? |
| 11:40.16 | voltagex | SkilZ: mine for example is //dream.local/files /media/files cifs rw,user,auto,credentials=/root/.smb |
| 11:40.18 | koko_ | where can i get channel to speak about dedicated server ? |
| 11:40.34 | voltagex | koko_: what about a dedicated server? |
| 11:40.58 | voltagex | xingu, thescrutator, isn't there a different channel you can use for this? ;) |
| 11:41.15 | koko_ | bandwidth |
| 11:41.19 | xingu | thescrutator: I'd need to read the FAQ to see if I read it the same way as you before commenting; if the FAQ suggests that it's ok for libc to continue to be used when the abi it depends on is no longer compatible, then I'd consider the faq buggy |
| 11:41.24 | thescrutator | xingu: I don't know much about warp... Although it does remind me of a system which did have hardware threads - but I developed that one in assembly. |
| 11:41.30 | koko_ | voltagex: bandwidth |
| 11:41.34 | xingu | anyway |
| 11:41.38 | xingu | takes voltagex's hint |
| 11:41.38 | voltagex | koko_: I'm not sure. If it's a Debian dedicated server, here maybe. |
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| 11:41.51 | thescrutator | xingu: There is http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 11:41.51 | voltagex | xingu: I was trying to be as polite as possible, haha. |
| 11:41.55 | thescrutator | xingu: Where should we continue this? |
| 11:42.02 | xingu | thescrutator: I'm done. :) |
| 11:42.14 | voltagex | SkilZ: did my mount line help? |
| 11:42.16 | thescrutator | Ok. :) I did think it was more or less concluded. |
| 11:42.21 | SkilZ | voltagex: Ok I added it now what do I need to do? |
| 11:42.29 | voltagex | SkilZ: what line did you add? |
| 11:42.43 | koko_ | i search dedicated server with can support 10 Gbps guarantee |
| 11:42.46 | SkilZ | cat //Skilz-pc/c /media/c cifs rw,user,auto,credentials=/root/.smb |
| 11:43.03 | SkilZ | Do I need to mkdir /media/c ? |
| 11:43.26 | koko_ | for my streaùming video using red5 |
| 11:43.27 | voltagex | SkilZ: yes, also you're going to need to create /root/.smb |
| 11:43.39 | SkilZ | whats /root/.smb? |
| 11:43.44 | SkilZ | also how do I mount it? |
| 11:43.50 | voltagex | koko_:: definitely wrong channel |
| 11:43.55 | voltagex | SkilZ: we're not up to that yet |
| 11:44.13 | voltagex | SkilZ: /root/.smb is a file you're about to create - it holds the username, password and domain |
| 11:44.16 | SkilZ | voltagex: Okay made the dirs |
| 11:44.32 | voltagex | ok so as root, nano ~/.smb |
| 11:44.37 | voltagex | or whatever editor |
| 11:44.38 | SkilZ | I done mkdir /root/.smb |
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| 11:44.48 | voltagex | SkilZ: no, it's a file, please rmdir .smb |
| 11:44.50 | SkilZ | was that correct? |
| 11:44.52 | SkilZ | ok |
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| 11:45.24 | SkilZ | voltagex: so nano /root/.smb ? |
| 11:45.38 | voltagex | SkilZ: yes, I'm just creating you an *example* file now. |
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| 11:46.31 | SkilZ | voltagex: Wow this is alot of work just to browse windows network share |
| 11:46.44 | jmd` | Is there a step by step instruction for setting up and testing sound card/services? |
| 11:46.47 | SkilZ | Why can't I just view it with a file manager? |
| 11:46.54 | voltagex | SkilZ: well this way it's set, and you won't have to change it. Gnome does this automatically, it looks like Thunar never got around to doing it |
| 11:47.18 | voltagex | SkilZ: because you're using XFCE and Thunar, and Thunar does not support CIFS/Windows shares |
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| 11:49.52 | SkilZ | voltagex: Okay |
| 11:50.05 | SkilZ | What if I install gnome file manager? |
| 11:50.46 | voltagex | SkilZ: probably would work, but you'd have to work out what Gnome uses for browsing shares - I don't think it's Nautilus itself. I'd recommend *not* doing that. |
| 11:50.58 | voltagex | SkilZ: you're using XFCE becuse this is a low powered box right? |
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| 11:52.32 | voltagex | SkilZ: you have the *option* of apt-get install nautilus gnome-vfs-backends but I don't know how you would set it up any further. Your choice. |
| 11:52.37 | SkilZ | voltagex: I'm using Fluxbox |
| 11:52.49 | SkilZ | Yeah it's only got 1gb ram and old p4 |
| 11:52.52 | voltagex | SkilZ: sorry, I meant Thunar. |
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| 11:53.10 | voltagex | SkilZ: yeah, I wouldn't pull down half of Gonme just for this ;) |
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| 11:53.58 | voltagex | namtorba: still there? |
| 11:54.03 | SkilZ | voltagex: http://ompldr.org/vOXlxYQ/screen.png yes see everything is minimal and text |
| 11:54.18 | voltagex | ok? |
| 11:54.26 | voltagex | that's not really relevant. |
| 11:54.41 | SkilZ | So nautilis is not an option |
| 11:54.47 | voltagex | SkilZ: your example /root/.smb is at http://pastebin.com/YXF1JbiA |
| 11:54.52 | SkilZ | cheers |
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| 11:55.32 | SkilZ | voltagex: What username and password? my debian or windows one? |
| 11:55.59 | SkilZ | voltagex: I dont think I had to enter a password when I installed windows, also the share is for 'Everyone' on windows |
| 11:56.51 | voltagex | SkilZ: just for now, try your debian password, although I think there may be an anonymous combo you can use. |
| 11:56.54 | SkilZ | voltagex: Created the text file, now what? |
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| 11:57.43 | SkilZ | $ sudo pmount /media/c |
| 11:57.43 | SkilZ | mount error: could not resolve address for Skilz-pc: Name or service not known |
| 11:57.48 | voltagex | ok |
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| 11:58.30 | voltagex | for some reason you're not seeing broadcasts, you'll have to change to your IP in /etc/fstab, or add a line for Skilz-pc in /etc/hosts. But! I bet you're using DHCP on your windows machine and you'll get problems. |
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| 11:58.46 | voltagex | SkilZ: what workgroup is your Windows PC in? |
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| 11:59.18 | SkilZ | voltagex: No, I'm using static ips on both machines and 'Workgroup' is the workgroup. |
| 11:59.20 | abrotman | voltagex: URLs again ? |
| 11:59.56 | voltagex | SkilZ: then change the line in /etc/fstab to use the IP of your Windows machine. |
| 12:00.09 | voltagex | abrotman: sorry? distracted what URL? |
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| 12:00.44 | abrotman | pasted URLs .. |
| 12:00.51 | SkilZ | voltagex: So substitute '//Skilz-pc/c' with '192.168.0.3' or do I need the trailing c? |
| 12:01.11 | jmd` | My /dev/dsp doesn't exist. What do I have to install to get it? |
| 12:01.42 | voltagex | SkilZ: c is your share name, so you'll have to keep it. |
| 12:01.57 | voltagex | SkilZ: as in //192.168.0.3/c |
| 12:02.16 | SkilZ | error -1 (Unknown error 4294967295) opening credential file /root/.smb |
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| 12:02.46 | voltagex | SkilZ: odd, does /root/.smb exist? as in what does ls -lah /root/.smb show? |
| 12:03.35 | SkilZ | ls: cannot access /root/.smb: Permission denied |
| 12:03.44 | SkilZ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49 Aug 21 21:57 /root/.smb |
| 12:04.44 | voltagex | SkilZ: use mount, not sudo pmount |
| 12:05.09 | SkilZ | ~$ mount /media/c |
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| 12:05.11 | SkilZ | error -1 (Unknown error 4294967295) opening credential file /root/.smb |
| 12:05.21 | voltagex | SkilZ: that's correct, you're not root. |
| 12:05.39 | SkilZ | mount error(13): Permission denied |
| 12:05.39 | SkilZ | Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) |
| 12:05.45 | voltagex | SkilZ: putting it in fstab means root will mount it for you when your PC starts, but first time will need to be root |
| 12:05.58 | SkilZ | I done sudo mount /media/c |
| 12:06.03 | voltagex | SkilZ: that looks like a problem with the windows share now. Windows 7 is strange |
| 12:06.15 | SkilZ | Could it be the username and password? |
| 12:06.38 | voltagex | SkilZ: very possibly, you can try removing them out of /root/.smb - I use that file for convenience. |
| 12:07.02 | voltagex | SkilZ: I think these errors are also logged in eventvwr in Windows, but that's not what we talk about here in #debian ;) |
| 12:07.14 | SkilZ | No go |
| 12:07.23 | SkilZ | this is rediculous |
| 12:07.28 | voltagex | yep, problem with the Windows shares |
| 12:07.39 | voltagex | no, pretty normal with Debian connecting to Win7. |
| 12:07.42 | SkilZ | What do you mean problem withthe windows shares? |
| 12:07.52 | voltagex | I gave you a hint where to look |
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| 12:08.16 | SkilZ | wheres eventvwr? |
| 12:08.33 | abrotman | maybe he should see if he can even list the shares on the other box ? |
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| 12:08.52 | SkilZ | abrotman: How I do that? |
| 12:09.13 | finetic | Anyone in here experienced with secure wiping a disk remotely? (no recovery in ANY kind of way possible ever) |
| 12:09.16 | finetic | I just started my system in rescue mode |
| 12:09.28 | abrotman | smbclient -L \\\\<IP>\ or something like that |
| 12:09.36 | abrotman | finetic: remotely? |
| 12:09.44 | abrotman | finetic: or you can boot any CD you like? |
| 12:09.46 | voltagex | abrotman: hopefully that will tell us what error Windows is sending... |
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| 12:10.11 | voltagex | SkilZ: wireshark is really good to learn in these cases too, but it's overkill for now. |
| 12:10.12 | abrotman | SkilZ: you will probably have to do some 'man smbclient' |
| 12:10.15 | SkilZ | $ smbclient -L \\\\192.168.0.3\ |
| 12:10.19 | SkilZ | > |
| 12:10.20 | SkilZ | ? |
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| 12:10.44 | voltagex | SkilZ: I haven't used smbclient for ages, I think you can do ls from there. Read the smbclient manpage, it's actually pretty good. |
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| 12:10.55 | SkilZ | ahhh |
| 12:10.59 | SkilZ | Connection to 192.168.0.3c failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME) |
| 12:11.08 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:11.12 | abrotman | your IP is 3c ? |
| 12:11.18 | cromag | heh |
| 12:11.20 | cromag | awsome :D |
| 12:11.24 | SkilZ | no |
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| 12:11.49 | SkilZ | When I do just the ip it returns me to a '>' |
| 12:11.54 | SkilZ | what do I do from there? |
| 12:12.06 | abrotman | man smbclient .. verify the command |
| 12:12.42 | thescrutator | feels weird... His system is CPU-bound in performance. |
| 12:13.38 | finetic | abrotman: rescue OS started |
| 12:13.50 | abrotman | finetic: you didn't really answer my question ... |
| 12:13.57 | abrotman | finetic: is the system actually remote, or just headless ? |
| 12:14.04 | finetic | abrotman: remote (dedicated server) |
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| 12:14.11 | abrotman | finetic: and can you have the staff boot any CD you want? |
| 12:14.19 | finetic | abrotman: FreeBSD rescue OS 1.0 |
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| 12:14.36 | abrotman | finetic: so you're asking #debian because ... #freebsd is on vacation ? |
| 12:14.40 | SkilZ | abrotman: Sorry I dont unserstand this man page |
| 12:14.42 | finetic | maybe :) |
| 12:14.45 | SkilZ | there is alot to take in |
| 12:15.00 | abrotman | finetic: can you have the staff boot any CD you want? |
| 12:15.01 | SkilZ | I just want to browse my windows computer not mount it |
| 12:15.10 | finetic | abrotman: nop |
| 12:15.15 | SkilZ | Its just for a one off file transfer |
| 12:15.18 | thescrutator | SkilZ: That concept doesn't exist. |
| 12:15.33 | abrotman | finetic: then i'd saunter over to #freebsd .. ask them what tools they have .. i can only guess 'dd' at this point |
| 12:15.43 | thescrutator | SkilZ: That said, there are a couple of applications that effectively mount it in user mode. (ie, via fuse or whatnot) |
| 12:15.53 | thescrutator | SkilZ: But conceptually, a mount *has* to occur. |
| 12:16.06 | abrotman | a 'browse' is a mount |
| 12:16.13 | abrotman | roughly |
| 12:16.23 | thescrutator | Indeed. |
| 12:16.27 | SkilZ | this is nuts |
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| 12:16.41 | SkilZ | may was well just rip the hdd out and stick it in here |
| 12:16.46 | thescrutator | SkilZ: Find me a system that doesn't do a mount. |
| 12:16.57 | SkilZ | but shit it's not ide |
| 12:17.07 | ompaul | SkilZ: so what - you must mount to read |
| 12:17.29 | SkilZ | ompaul: A local mount is much easyer then a network mount |
| 12:17.30 | thescrutator | SkilZ: If it matters, it's exactly the same in Mac OS X. |
| 12:17.50 | SkilZ | hmm |
| 12:17.54 | ompaul | SkilZ: if you want one file scp pscp from windows |
| 12:18.13 | SkilZ | Would if be easyer to share debian and browse from windows? |
| 12:18.19 | SkilZ | Thats an option |
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| 12:18.47 | SkilZ | how can I do that? like if I want to share /home/skilz/shared |
| 12:18.54 | SkilZ | then view it on windows |
| 12:18.55 | SkilZ | . |
| 12:19.08 | ompaul | SkilZ: you want samba in that case. |
| 12:19.12 | abrotman | SkilZ: it is generally easier to mount windows from linux |
| 12:19.43 | abrotman | SkilZ: you might want to start by making sure you can browse that windows share from the windows box itself |
| 12:20.10 | voltagex | SkilZ: Filezilla can also browse your Linux machine from Windows. |
| 12:20.23 | abrotman | ugh .. |
| 12:20.39 | voltagex | SkilZ: I'd say there's an error about logon from your Linux machine in Event Viewer on Windows, but please join #windows for that. |
| 12:20.40 | abrotman | it shouldn't be this hard .. but SkilZ has to read |
| 12:20.50 | abrotman | giving him crappy works arounds sucks ... |
| 12:21.05 | voltagex | abrotman: I'm not giving him workarounds. |
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| 12:21.28 | abrotman | 'filezilla' ? |
| 12:21.29 | ompaul | abrotman: acceptance of the paradigm that is a posix system would serve much better, but that seems to be impossible |
| 12:21.39 | voltagex | abrotman: SFTP client. |
| 12:22.00 | SkilZ | How do I make sure Debian is even on the same workgroup |
| 12:22.01 | ompaul | SkilZ: go search for "putty" and find a suitable problem |
| 12:22.02 | abrotman | voltagex: a workaround involving browsing linux from windows .. not his original question of browsing windows from linux |
| 12:22.12 | voltagex | for the record, getting file sharing working both way requires configuration on *both* machines |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | SkilZ: it really doesn't have to be if you do the share the stuff correctly |
| 12:22.38 | voltagex | abrotman: well, he hasn't read any of my messages involving checking Event Viewer on Windows, even though we are #debian and not #windows |
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| 12:22.55 | SkilZ | abrotman: I would like to do it from both machines |
| 12:22.57 | abrotman | voltagex: he should start with the smbclient man page |
| 12:23.00 | voltagex | SkilZ: it is, Workgroup or WORKGROUP is default. |
| 12:23.04 | voltagex | abrotman: I agree. |
| 12:23.19 | abrotman | if he can't see the share, he'll never get it mounted |
| 12:23.21 | SkilZ | browse deb from win and browse win from deb |
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| 12:24.00 | voltagex | SkilZ: yes, that's possible. Please start with the smbclient man page. |
| 12:24.17 | SkilZ | I am reading it |
| 12:24.26 | SkilZ | but I don't understand what to use |
| 12:24.28 | abrotman | and when it doesn't make sense .. start again |
| 12:24.44 | SkilZ | Ahhh,I figured it out! install ftpd and just ftp from windows :) |
| 12:24.57 | SkilZ | easy |
| 12:25.01 | ompaul | SkilZ: and wrong |
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| 12:25.13 | ompaul | SkilZ: you don't expose ftp on a userland machine |
| 12:25.21 | SkilZ | ??? |
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| 12:25.38 | ompaul | SkilZ: you don't go around running ftp as a solution, you were told to use sftp |
| 12:25.43 | ompaul | you were told to use scp |
| 12:25.50 | ompaul | you were told about samba |
| 12:25.58 | ompaul | and you choose ftp - why |
| 12:25.59 | SkilZ | whats wrong with ftp? |
| 12:26.00 | N-I-L | skillz: you can ping around to both right? |
| 12:26.05 | abrotman | !ftp must die |
| 12:26.05 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 12:26.08 | SkilZ | N-I-L: yes |
| 12:26.20 | voltagex | ompaul: I've done my best. |
| 12:26.29 | ompaul | SkilZ: just because there is an open fire putting your hand in the fire is not always the solution |
| 12:26.56 | ompaul | SkilZ: I strongly urge you to read a book called "how to solve it" by "g poyola" |
| 12:27.13 | voltagex | abrotman: hah - Daniel's sites pop up so often. |
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| 12:27.52 | abrotman | greycat's site is more important there |
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| 12:28.13 | N-I-L | SkilZ: how about firewall on the windows box? |
| 12:28.18 | SkilZ | no firewall |
| 12:28.20 | voltagex | abrotman: yeah, interesting read - I'm going to have to monitor my usage too |
| 12:28.29 | abrotman | he *needs* to read the smbclient man page ... |
| 12:28.34 | voltagex | N-I-L: It's not a firewall, the Windows machine responded with Access Denied |
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| 12:28.37 | abrotman | instead of more people throwing more crap at him |
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| 12:28.49 | N-I-L | im just curious |
| 12:28.55 | abrotman | maybe if everyone leaves him alone for 10 minuntes, he'll actually read and try to comprehend |
| 12:28.57 | abrotman | minutes |
| 12:29.18 | voltagex | true. |
| 12:29.26 | N-I-L | alright abrotman, like i said i was just curious |
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| 12:30.35 | voltagex | anyway, my original problem was in getting approx working - http://pastebin.com/YAibQqPb and http://pastebin.com/7JqEMqHB |
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| 12:31.30 | abrotman | voltagex: it's named wrong .. whatever you name it in the approx conf is the name after the URL |
| 12:31.31 | voltagex | approx finds the normal debian repo fine, but 404s looking for the wrong files in debian-security |
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| 12:31.41 | voltagex | abrotman: typo maybe, one second. |
| 12:31.42 | abrotman | from what i recall |
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| 12:32.36 | sajkaca | hi. i m doing a fresh install of debian. so i have 6 hds 2tb and i set up raid 1 with 300mb for /boot and then raid 5 for 6 hds, lvm and then root swap and storage. so at the point off installing grub i get error unable to install grub in /dev... executing grub install etc.. what can i do? |
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| 12:33.00 | voltagex | sajkaca: if you're able to save the error log somehow, please pastebin the logs. |
| 12:33.25 | voltagex | sajkaca: if you're networked, debian-installer will let you start a webserver on the machine, and then you can download the logs. |
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| 12:34.12 | sajkaca | voltagex this is a little bit to much for me :P |
| 12:34.12 | voltagex | abrotman: yep, typo. Thanks. |
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| 12:34.29 | voltagex | sajkaca: this is a little bit too much for me. I need the logs. |
| 12:35.12 | sajkaca | voltagex: is there any howto export logs etc..? |
| 12:35.32 | voltagex | sajkaca: yes. The installer went back to a menu yes? |
| 12:35.44 | sajkaca | voltagex: yes |
| 12:36.11 | sajkaca | i see :() save debug logs |
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| 12:36.29 | voltagex | sajkaca: yes, do that |
| 12:37.10 | sajkaca | you have hardware-summary partman and syslog what should i copy? |
| 12:37.20 | voltagex | all. |
| 12:38.28 | Innocentus | QUESTION: For syncing / caching purposes I would like to store a timestamp for a normal file on server disc |
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| 12:38.31 | Innocentus | however, I cannot use the creation / modified timestamp because this would only reflect the timestamp of download and not of real change on server side |
| 12:38.33 | Innocentus | So how can I add a timestamp to a normal file on a webserver harddrive? |
| 12:39.10 | I_Died_Once | mythtv is a pain to setup |
| 12:39.21 | PerfDave | Innocentus: Can't you just use the normal web expires and E-tag headers? |
| 12:39.22 | abrotman | complain to them :) |
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| 12:39.50 | I_Died_Once | I'm gonna download and run the knoppix mythtv live disc and if it work, I'm copying over the .conf files from it |
| 12:39.57 | I_Died_Once | hows that for cheating? |
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| 12:40.38 | Innocentus | PerfDave: the problem is not to determine the timestamp of the file on remote but on local |
| 12:40.39 | abrotman | Innocentus: so which timestamp would you like? |
| 12:41.09 | Innocentus | abrotman: A script / program / whatever downloads a file from remote. The server also sends when the last change on this file was. |
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| 12:41.51 | abrotman | can you not pull the modified time from stat ? |
| 12:42.09 | Innocentus | abrotman: no, because this would reflect the time of _download_ and not the time of _last change on server side_ |
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| 12:42.27 | Innocentus | abrotman: The server sends a snapshot xml with a list of files and their last-modification timestamps |
| 12:42.30 | abrotman | if the file was changed, it would be modified? |
| 12:43.05 | Innocentus | abrotman: 1) The client requests a snapshot from the server consisting of an xml file with a list of files and their last-modification timestamps |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | so the timestamp would be updated |
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| 12:43.43 | Innocentus | abrotman: 2) The client has now to iterate over the files on disc and compare their timestamps (and here is the problem) with their related timestamps in xml |
| 12:43.47 | abrotman | Innocentus: so you need a better way to update the XML file ? |
| 12:43.56 | Innocentus | abrotman: The xml file is dynamically generated by server |
| 12:44.39 | Innocentus | abrotman: When a file is downloaded from the server onto client disc, the file gets a create-timestamp of time of download |
| 12:44.46 | Innocentus | abrotman: and not time of last modification on server |
| 12:45.01 | Innocentus | abrotman: The program has to compare the timestamp of local file and the timestamp of remote file |
| 12:45.29 | sajkaca | voltagex: http://pastebin.com/fujaxZVE http://pastebin.com/PbXrpL81 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/671629/ |
| 12:45.32 | Innocentus | abrotman: But when the timestamp of local file is not the real timestamp but instead the timestamp of download time, the client would unnecessarily redownload all files |
| 12:45.41 | Innocentus | abrotman: and then the sync feature would have no purpose |
| 12:45.52 | abrotman | Innocentus: they make rsync for this purpose :) |
| 12:46.08 | Innocentus | abrotman: I would like to use it, but it must be a PHP script for 3rd party use |
| 12:46.10 | abrotman | Innocentus: shouldn't the XML file the client downloads have the last time .. |
| 12:46.31 | abrotman | Innocentus: so you can keep an old XML file, the new one, load them both, compare times ? |
| 12:46.37 | Innocentus | abrotman: nice idea |
| 12:46.52 | Innocentus | abrotman: really, not bad idea |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | Innocentus: not a great idea :) ... but doable |
| 12:47.20 | voltagex | sajkaca: you will have to wait for someone who understands partman and grub, but you need to ask your question again and include those pastebin URLs :) |
| 12:47.22 | Innocentus | abrotman: yea, I will right try it out now |
| 12:47.29 | sajkaca | ok |
| 12:47.37 | voltagex | sajkaca: why pastebin.ubuntu.com? :P |
| 12:47.51 | sajkaca | pastebin.com timed out |
| 12:48.00 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 12:48.09 | sajkaca | :P |
| 12:48.14 | voltagex | thought we might have that. |
| 12:48.24 | Innocentus | abrotman: By the way: Would it be a dumb idea to manually updating a timestamp of file? |
| 12:48.29 | Innocentus | abrotman: *update |
| 12:48.32 | voltagex | abrotman: debian-installer needs to have an option to upload logs there! |
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| 12:48.47 | Innocentus | abrotman: Or other asked: Can a PHP script update an existing file's timestamp to another one? |
| 12:48.52 | abrotman | Innocentus: you mean on the client ? |
| 12:49.07 | Innocentus | abrotman: yes, then the true timestamp of server can be used |
| 12:49.31 | sajkaca | so anyone here knows why i cant install grub in debian installer? this are the debug logs http://pastebin.com/fujaxZVE http://pastebin.com/PbXrpL81 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/671629/a |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | Innocentus: but! ... if the clock on the client is messed somehow, you'll have an issue |
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| 12:51.25 | Innocentus | abrotman: and if the timestamp of file on client is updated with the timestamp of xml snapshot? |
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| 12:52.02 | abrotman | Innocentus: i should ask you .. how exactly are you planning to update the timestamp ? |
| 12:52.20 | Innocentus | abrotman: I mean is this possible at all? With PHP? |
| 12:52.35 | abrotman | with PHP, no idea |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | you'd probably end up executing system() |
| 12:53.26 | bogdanov | hi, what raid use for three drives. raid5? |
| 12:54.07 | abrotman | bogdanov: whichever you like |
| 12:54.08 | abrotman | !raid |
| 12:54.08 | PerfDave | Innocentus: Why not just keep trying to download the files, and let the server tell you if you don't need a new one? |
| 12:54.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels , <raid-resizing> |
| 12:54.37 | abrotman | Innocentus: another method might be comparing md5sums .. depends how large the files are |
| 12:55.07 | bogdanov | abrotman: i want first disk for system and another 2 for backup. |
| 12:55.31 | abrotman | bogdanov: you could do RAID1 with a hot spare |
| 12:55.55 | abrotman | bogdanov: though you'd end up with less storage than a RAID5 setup |
| 12:56.08 | sajkaca | i tryed with lilo and got the same error |
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| 12:58.21 | bogdanov | abrotman: i am new in raid i just look for simple raid and i look for raid5 with partition and free swap. |
| 12:58.59 | abrotman | bogdanov: i stated two options .. you need to figure out which best suits you |
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| 13:10.30 | SkilZ | any program to access realvnc server running on windows? |
| 13:10.45 | SkilZ | I installed xvnc4viewer but thats text |
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| 13:12.06 | dominusceo | TightVNC |
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| 13:12.44 | dominusceo | relvnc,vino |
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| 13:17.15 | wols_ | SkilZ: you have found a text mode vnc viewer? really? |
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| 13:17.46 | sawjig | wols_: I think he means no gui to invoke it |
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| 13:17.55 | SkilZ | No configured security type is supported by 3.3 viewer |
| 13:18.03 | me-alone | hi...why Debian has this useless windows installer..?? |
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| 13:18.04 | eshat | Hi, when signing gpg keys, should I also sign additional IDs, that are not listed on the paper strip I got ? |
| 13:18.17 | wols_ | me-alone: which one? |
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| 13:19.44 | me-alone | wols_, well there is only one i think , pop the debian cd while running windosw and installe will autorun |
| 13:20.24 | themill | me-alone: a better question is, perhaps, why shouldn't it have one? |
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| 13:21.14 | SkilZ | me-alone: It will just make you reboot and install debian |
| 13:22.16 | me-alone | themill, well i wonder what is the use for it , windows installer for ubuntu and linuxmint let us install within windows to avoid any changes in partitions |
| 13:22.43 | me-alone | SkilZ, just to reboot ? |
| 13:23.07 | th0r | me-alone: I wonder why, after all these years of warnings, you still have autorun enabled |
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| 13:23.47 | themill | me-alone: it does a lot more than reboot into the installer. You could consult its documentation or even its wikipedia page. |
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| 13:24.32 | finetic | Anyone in here experienced with secure wiping a disk remotely? (no recovery in ANY kind of way possible ever) |
| 13:24.56 | me-alone | themill, well i think it only saves one step that is change boot sequence |
| 13:25.18 | themill | me-alone: well I know you are wrong about that... so where does that get us? |
| 13:25.23 | dvs | finetic: are you going to use the disk again? |
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| 13:26.00 | DXBLouie | for the record, i managed to remove gnome3 witout reinstalling ubuntu :) |
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| 13:26.32 | linux-fox | hi, all |
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| 13:27.03 | me-alone | themill, i am just trying to understand use of debian windows installer nothing else |
| 13:27.23 | Innocentus | abrotman: md5 would work binary files, but there are also textual information which are stored in a client depend format |
| 13:27.26 | DXBLouie | err.. wrong channel :\ |
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| 13:27.37 | themill | me-alone: [14:23] <themill> me-alone: it does a lot more than reboot into the installer. You could consult its documentation or even its wikipedia page. |
| 13:28.00 | th0r | themill: I think he is confusing the debian installer with wubi |
| 13:28.07 | abrotman | Innocentus: i meant to see if the file had changed .. keep a text file on both ends with the md5sums |
| 13:28.14 | themill | th0r: no, he's trying to compare them without doing any research of his own |
| 13:28.45 | abrotman | finetic: if you could boot any CD you wanted, i'd say to use dban.sf.net |
| 13:28.50 | eshat | I can't believe nobody can help me with this simple key signing question |
| 13:29.15 | Woet | finetic: DBAN |
| 13:29.19 | Woet | if nobody mentioned it yet |
| 13:29.35 | abrotman | Woet: but that's a CD, not an app AIUI |
| 13:29.45 | Woet | does that matter? |
| 13:29.51 | abrotman | apparently it does |
| 13:30.04 | ompaul | eshat: http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html |
| 13:30.05 | th0r | eshat: you sign keys because YOU are verifying their authenticity. How can we tell you which ones to sign? |
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| 13:30.16 | me-alone | th0r, yes i would like to have wubi like installer so that I can recomend my windows user F&F to use debian without changing anything on their hard drive |
| 13:30.24 | Woet | abrotman: not that i can see |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | Woet: and why finetic is asking #debian about his freebsd live CD .. not a clue |
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| 13:30.43 | th0r | me-alone: well, you are looking in the wrong place. wubi is a toy for ubuntu |
| 13:30.43 | wols_ | finetic: dd is all you need. one time overwrite of every sector of the disk and you are done. if you use a SSD this might not be possible |
| 13:30.43 | abrotman | Woet: it's a remote system .. he only has this freebsd system |
| 13:30.51 | Woet | oh, i just read up abrotman |
| 13:31.00 | Woet | wols_: that is not beyond recovery |
| 13:31.02 | abrotman | and i already told him 'dd' |
| 13:31.06 | wols_ | Woet: it is |
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| 13:31.26 | abrotman | Woet: for general purposes, it is ... |
| 13:31.31 | me-alone | th0r, well i know |
| 13:31.33 | Woet | general purpose, true |
| 13:31.37 | spersaud | I set my tempfs to memory, now my desktop will not start, I have an SSD drive |
| 13:31.37 | Woet | but he said 'no reecovery in ANY kind' |
| 13:31.38 | smhar | how to tell grub2 to use a partition label instead of the normal /dev/sda notation? |
| 13:31.42 | Woet | so i don't think it's general purpose :) |
| 13:31.45 | spersaud | its saying unable to read statefile |
| 13:31.46 | wols_ | abrotman: for any purpose. you cannot recover it since PMR |
| 13:31.48 | spersaud | how do I fix this ? |
| 13:31.50 | abrotman | then perhaps finetic should ask #freebsd |
| 13:32.02 | abrotman | it's really not a topic for #debian |
| 13:32.13 | Woet | it's recoverable, wols_.. |
| 13:32.16 | me-alone | does freebsd has a live CD..?? |
| 13:32.24 | finetic | wols_: how do i use dd? |
| 13:32.24 | abrotman | ASK #freebsd .. jesus |
| 13:32.35 | abrotman | finetic: please go to #freebsd, you're not running Debian |
| 13:32.41 | Woet | abrotman: why #freebsd? this is not specific to his OS |
| 13:32.50 | spersaud | *help* |
| 13:33.03 | abrotman | Woet: it's not a Debian question in anyway .. he could go to ##math and it would be just as related |
| 13:33.05 | thescrutator | Woet: Does freebsd even use gnu software? |
| 13:33.15 | Woet | abrotman: it's a general question, true |
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| 13:33.43 | wols_ | spersaud: what error? and what tempfs size? |
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| 13:34.39 | spersaud | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec,mode=1777 0 0 |
| 13:34.42 | finetic | abrotman: so dd is a tool excusively for freebsd not working on any other OS? |
| 13:34.43 | ompaul | eshat: http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html |
| 13:34.58 | abrotman | finetic: this channel is for *Debian* support |
| 13:35.12 | finetic | abrotman: so i am using debian kthnx |
| 13:35.14 | wols_ | finetic: this channel is exclusively for debian and not supporting any other OS |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | no, you're using a FreeBSD live CD .. you already told me |
| 13:35.29 | spersaud | wols_: how do I change my /etc/fstab ? |
| 13:35.32 | dud | why debian doesnt regconize /dev/md3 at boot grub2? |
| 13:35.33 | spersaud | wols_: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec,mode=1777 0 0 |
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| 13:35.49 | wols_ | spersaud: with an editor. and I asked you two questions |
| 13:35.51 | finetic | abrotman: lol are you here? who says its not possible to switch? stop wasting my time |
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| 13:36.37 | abrotman | finetic: you told me it was a freebsd livecd, you said it was remote .. i asked you if you could boot any CD you wanted, you said no .. stop wasting our time |
| 13:36.39 | spersaud | wols_: the error looks like this https://cgsrv1.arrc.csiro.au/blog/2011/07/29/debian-squeeze-disk-failure/ |
| 13:37.00 | spersaud | wols_: how do I get in there ? would have to boot from another system and mount it :) |
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| 13:38.23 | wols_ | spersaud: you don't get a root filesystem failure when you changed /tmp. last time: what error? |
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| 13:39.04 | spersaud | wols_: ???/ |
| 13:39.25 | wols_ | spersaud: you get an error when your X doesn't start. which one? |
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| 13:40.04 | spersaud | wols_: I get bootclean: Failure cleaning /var/run .. failed! |
| 13:41.21 | spersaud | wols_: unable to open /etc/network/run/ifstate .. |
| 13:41.34 | spersaud | that is not on /tmp, correct |
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| 13:42.09 | spersaud | I changed the scheduler settings for the hd |
| 13:42.16 | spersaud | to deadline I believe |
| 13:42.33 | wols_ | spersaud: how far do you get? |
| 13:42.39 | wols_ | in your boot process that is |
| 13:43.43 | spersaud | wols_: I think I messed up some settings ... |
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| 13:45.26 | spersaud | it goest up to Startpar: service(s) returned failure: ifupdown mountall-bootclean.sh nfs-common mountnfs-bootclean.sh bootmisc.sh .. failed! |
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| 13:47.39 | spersaud | started in safemode :) |
| 13:47.39 | laurus | I am on Debian Wheezy; how do I downgrade a specific package to the Debian Squeeze version? |
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| 13:47.59 | squid | hello all |
| 13:48.08 | abrotman | laurus: which pckage, not all will work |
| 13:48.19 | laurus | abrotman, python-sqlalchemy . |
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| 13:49.02 | abrotman | laurus: you can just try to grab it from packages.debian.org and install it |
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| 13:49.26 | abrotman | judd: depends python-sqlalchemy --release squeeze |
| 13:49.26 | judd | Package python-sqlalchemy -- depends: python2.6 | python2.5, python (>= 2.6.5-11~). |
| 13:49.30 | laurus | abrotman, with dpkg -i <packagename> ? |
| 13:49.37 | abrotman | you might need to force the downgrade |
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| 13:49.53 | laurus | abrotman, how do I re-upgrade it later? |
| 13:50.19 | abrotman | just install it directly .. put it on hold til you're ready to do that |
| 13:50.50 | laurus | abrotman, what do you mean on hold? |
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| 13:51.43 | abrotman | !tell laurus about hold |
| 13:51.54 | spersaud | my fs is readonly |
| 13:51.57 | laurus | Thanks abrotman. |
| 13:52.11 | spersaud | how do I edit files ? |
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| 13:54.16 | wols_ | spersaud: why is it read only? maybe you should fsck it and reboot again |
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| 13:56.06 | spersaud | wols_: this is what I followed http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/geek-sheet-a-tweakers-guide-to-solid-state-drives-ssds-and-linux/9190 |
| 13:56.25 | spersaud | and this http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/09/04/four-tweaks-for-using-linux-with-solid-state-drives/ |
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| 13:57.02 | wols_ | !wayttd spersaud |
| 13:57.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, spersaud? |
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| 13:58.17 | spersaud | wols_: change my settings of my hd obviously |
| 13:58.31 | spersaud | or fs |
| 13:59.07 | spersaud | I ran fsck and it said it could cause severe damage |
| 13:59.15 | spersaud | because the fs is mounted |
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| 14:00.23 | wols_ | you said it is mounted read only |
| 14:00.36 | wols_ | and I also said to reboot directly afterwards |
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| 14:04.45 | spersaud | wols_: It ran fsck at startup and I still get those errors |
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| 14:05.49 | spersaud | wols_: ok lets restart now :) |
| 14:06.35 | spersaud | wols_: I still get those errors |
| 14:07.08 | spersaud | why is it saying everything is readonly :) |
| 14:07.32 | wols_ | I suggest you finally start reading what these errors say. it tells you why it mounts it read only |
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| 14:10.01 | spersaud | wols_: I think it is not finding the files that were in /tmp |
| 14:10.23 | spersaud | cannot delte: /cups/printcap : Read-only file system |
| 14:10.26 | wols_ | there are no files in /tmp. caues /tmp gets wiped on every boot |
| 14:10.27 | spersaud | thats the first error |
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| 14:11.01 | wols_ | why is there a /cups? and ther already is a ro filesystem so there had to be an error before |
| 14:13.10 | spersaud | wols I dont see that error |
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| 14:13.32 | spersaud | wols_: how do I see the last startup messages ? |
| 14:13.49 | spersaud | well that was probably not written |
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| 14:14.28 | Accelerator | Debian has a "irc" user by default? |
| 14:15.35 | wols_ | no. probably only if you install a ircd |
| 14:15.55 | Accelerator | I haven't. |
| 14:16.21 | Accelerator | There's an irc user on my debian install, home directory is /var/run/ircd, which doesn't exist. |
| 14:16.24 | Accelerator | Curious. |
| 14:16.45 | wols_ | hmm... same here. interesting |
| 14:17.02 | spersaud | anyone else care to help me with this problem ? |
| 14:17.05 | Accelerator | I've installed Apache, MySQL, and PHP. That's about it. |
| 14:17.40 | spersaud | I dont think wols_ is qualified |
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| 14:18.08 | Accelerator | Someone's in a pissy mood. |
| 14:18.30 | wols_ | spersaud: with talk like that you really really encourage other people to help you. good job |
| 14:18.36 | Accelerator | wols_: +1 |
| 14:19.17 | Accelerator | spersaud: Maybe I don't think you're qualified to use Linux. |
| 14:19.28 | centHOGG | pleez |
| 14:19.40 | spersaud | wols_: thanks for your help but I do not wish to receive any further assistance from you .... |
| 14:20.03 | spersaud | Accelerator: I use linux all the time ... good luck buddy |
| 14:20.27 | spersaud | you people are really grumpy this early in the morning |
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| 14:20.40 | ompaul | spersaud: it is mid afternoon so that makes you the grouch |
| 14:21.02 | spersaud | ompaul: figures |
| 14:21.10 | spersaud | this is a universal chat :) |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | spersaud: FWIW, wols_ is probably the most qualified active person to help with nvidia garbage |
| 14:22.07 | abrotman | thought spersaud was the nvidia person .. perhaps not |
| 14:22.18 | wols_ | spersaud: he has filesystem garbage. missing files and read only file system |
| 14:22.24 | wols_ | abrotman: ^^ |
| 14:23.04 | abrotman | then, i was wrong! |
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| 14:23.23 | mfpockets | how do I add the newest transmission ppa in debian? I tried sudo add-apt-repository ppa:transmissionbt/ppa |
| 14:23.23 | mfpockets | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.26 | Accelerator | spersaud: People use Windows all the time |
| 14:23.33 | Accelerator | But most of them have no idea how to properly use a computer. |
| 14:23.43 | Accelerator | :) |
| 14:23.54 | wols_ | mfpockets: debian has no ppas and no mechanism to add them |
| 14:24.18 | wols_ | mfpockets: in debian, you edit your sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directly |
| 14:25.02 | mfpockets | wols_, ok, I tried that but it complained about nnot having the key for the ppa. Anyone know a non ppa source to add for newest transmission? |
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| 14:25.43 | dvs | mfpockets: that's only a warning. |
| 14:25.47 | wols_ | missing keys are generally only warnings |
| 14:25.54 | ompaul | mfpockets: before I say check out backports if you are running stable, what's the need for this? |
| 14:26.21 | mfpockets | included transmission in squeeze is 2.03 I am on a tracker that banned that client. |
| 14:26.26 | wols_ | and the page you got your "ppa" from should have the keys. however: if it's appa, it's for ubuntu. usually ubuntu software doesn't work with debian. you can try, but you are on your own |
| 14:26.35 | wols_ | ,versions transmission |
| 14:26.36 | judd | Package transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-2; sid: 2.03-2.2; wheezy: 2.03-2.2; experimental: 2.10-2; experimental: 2.11-1; experimental: 2.32-1 |
| 14:26.36 | Rienzilla | hmm |
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| 14:26.47 | Innocentus | abrotman: ok, and how can I compare textual structred data which is stored in different forms (xml on client side / database on server side)? |
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| 14:27.29 | abrotman | Innocentus: that's what you ask your developers :) |
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| 14:27.47 | abrotman | Innocentus: but the timestamp thing is probably fine .. you just have to keep a timestamps.current and timestamps.old |
| 14:27.49 | mfpockets | judd, thanks, how do I add the "experimental 2.32-1" can you tell me which repo to add to my sources list |
| 14:28.02 | Martz | I have a problem with bash completion for changing directory, I do cd [tab] and get this: cd -sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory |
| 14:28.10 | wols_ | mfpockets: you don't want to do that. and: judd is a bot |
| 14:28.17 | Innocentus | abrotman: so timestamp for textual structured data and md5 for binaries |
| 14:28.18 | mfpockets | lol |
| 14:28.33 | wols_ | !tell mfpockets about ssb |
| 14:28.44 | abrotman | Innocentus: i suppose .. i don't know the intricacies of your project |
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| 14:29.08 | mfpockets | wols_, they really dont have anything more stable on squeeze than 2.03? they are up to 2.33 stable on their site |
| 14:29.15 | Innocentus | abrotman: so I will try it thanks |
| 14:29.25 | wols_ | !tell mfpockets about stable |
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| 14:37.39 | zykotick9 | mfpockets, FYI i just tried in a VM to install the transmission from experimental - IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK (it wants to remove much of Gnome, and many dependency unresolved), time to try a new client - I personally like Deluge. |
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| 14:38.42 | mfpockets | zykotick9, Thanks, I was actually just reading into deluge. Is it easy to setup and the webgui is simple? Does it have a nice remote management app like transmission? |
| 14:39.20 | zykotick9 | mfpockets, ya it's pretty straight forward - the webui is nice, there is a cli interface as well. |
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| 14:40.08 | mfpockets | there are a bunch in the repos. which is the daemon that has web gui I assume all I need is deluge-webui |
| 14:40.32 | zykotick9 | mfpockets, yes deluge-webui is the web interface ;) |
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| 14:41.53 | mfpockets | LOL, but it come with a fully working client as well, I dont need deluge-common and |
| 14:41.56 | mfpockets | the others. |
| 14:42.01 | zykotick9 | mfpockets, you might want to grab deluge-gtk as well |
| 14:42.12 | zykotick9 | mfpockets, you need the others as well - dependencies |
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| 14:42.25 | mfpockets | kk |
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| 14:52.45 | mfpockets | zykotick9, where can I find the conf fileS? |
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| 16:11.00 | mycae | sinisterstuf, is your desktop wired as well? |
| 16:11.06 | sinisterstuf | yes |
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| 16:11.18 | mycae | then, yes, you can do this. |
| 16:11.26 | sinisterstuf | but it gets it's internet connection from a (non-wifi) router |
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| 16:11.36 | mycae | last time I did it, it was not straightforwards, and I used ipchains to do it. |
| 16:11.44 | mycae | maybe there was a better way. |
| 16:11.52 | sinisterstuf | ok⦠|
| 16:11.59 | sinisterstuf | well at least now I know it's possible |
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| 16:12.23 | mycae | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 16:13.00 | mycae | I think I used an ad-hoc connection for the wireless. |
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| 16:13.07 | sinisterstuf | thanks, I'll read that now |
| 16:13.42 | mycae | Networkmanager may have automated some of this however. |
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| 16:14.25 | mycae | manual forwarding rules is probably not the nicest way to do this. |
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| 16:15.05 | sinisterstuf | do you think I could just follow that article and substitute wlan0 for eth1? |
| 16:15.14 | mycae | if the wlan0 link is stable, yes. |
| 16:15.34 | mycae | but you would need to manage the ad-hoc connection. |
| 16:15.44 | sinisterstuf | what do you mean? |
| 16:16.03 | mycae | well, how do you connect one wlan to the other wlan card? |
| 16:16.20 | mycae | you either need to use an infrastructure mode, or an ad-hoc mode. |
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| 16:16.36 | zfe | hello |
| 16:16.43 | zfe | anybody with debian on a macbook pro? |
| 16:17.09 | sinisterstuf | I don't even know the difference between infrastructue and ad-hoc, I haven't really used wireless before |
| 16:17.11 | centHOGG | why as why |
| 16:17.41 | mycae | ok, well wireless basically (this is an oversimplification) has those two modes. |
| 16:17.58 | mycae | One device must become a "provider" and the other connects to that provider. |
| 16:18.07 | mycae | in ad-hoc mode. |
| 16:18.27 | mycae | in infrastructure mode, usually you have a third device (wireless base station), which acts as an always-on provider. |
| 16:18.34 | mycae | both devices connect to that. |
| 16:19.24 | mycae | you need to set up the network so that your wireless lan is up and running first, before enabling any kind of packet forwarding. |
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| 16:19.58 | mycae | also, note that having your desktop on all the time can chew through power, and it can be cheaper over the long run, just to buy a lower-power basestation. |
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| 16:21.04 | sinisterstuf | ok⦠|
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| 16:22.18 | gimpy1305 | A cheap wifi router can use maybe 3 watts of power...a desktop would be 150 at a minimum really. |
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| 16:23.12 | eflynn | zfe: what about it |
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| 16:23.27 | zfe | eflynn, any hint about how to make wifi work? |
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| 16:24.14 | eflynn | zfe, dunno, have you tried iwconfig? |
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| 16:24.39 | sinisterstuf | yeah I guess the long term solution will be to buy an actual wi-fi router to replace the current router |
| 16:24.47 | sinisterstuf | but for now I'd like the desktop to route it |
| 16:24.59 | mycae | ok, sinisterstuf, are you running gnome? |
| 16:25.05 | zfe | eflynn, it has some shitty broadcom device |
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| 16:25.12 | mycae | if so, what is your version of network-manager |
| 16:25.16 | centHOGG | wi-fi routers are pretty cost-effective nowadays |
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| 16:25.36 | sinisterstuf | mycae, yes I am |
| 16:25.39 | sinisterstuf | let me check |
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| 16:26.13 | sinisterstuf | NetworkManager Applet 0.8.1 (is the applet version number the same?) |
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| 16:26.53 | sinisterstuf | GNU nm (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.20.1-system.20100303 |
| 16:26.55 | sinisterstuf | how about that? |
| 16:26.55 | mycae | it should be close enough. |
| 16:27.09 | mycae | nm is binutils, not network manager. But its fine |
| 16:27.17 | sinisterstuf | my bad |
| 16:28.25 | mycae | have you tried using network manager to st up the ad-hock mode? It should be "Create new wifi Network", iirc. |
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| 16:28.31 | mycae | s/hock/hoc/ |
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| 16:29.49 | mycae | My laptop is not with me at the moment, so i cannot guide you step by step. |
| 16:29.53 | mycae | I have no wifi devices. |
| 16:30.06 | Aut0Exec | fwcutter not in repos anymore? |
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| 16:30.36 | ompaul | !wifi |
| 16:30.36 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 16:30.56 | centHOGG | ubuntu |
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| 16:31.07 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 16:31.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 16:33.09 | SkilZ | !bassed on debian |
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| 16:34.34 | daedaluz | speaking of standards, why is WINE aeons old even in sid |
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| 16:34.45 | SkilZ | !sex |
| 16:34.45 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 16:34.51 | SkilZ | lol |
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| 16:36.30 | ompaul | daedaluz: they are waiting on you to become the package maintainer |
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| 16:39.46 | TXX_ | Hey :/ im in a bit of a pickle |
| 16:39.56 | TXX_ | i used the disk encryption tool to encrypt the disks |
| 16:40.00 | TXX_ | and it just works wonderfully |
| 16:40.09 | TXX_ | but im trying to install windows 7 now |
| 16:40.14 | llua | gg |
| 16:40.22 | TXX_ | and it can't find the harddrive |
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| 16:40.41 | TXX_ | i have 2 ntfs partitions pre created for it already that aren't encrypted or anything related to it |
| 16:40.59 | ompaul | all your existing data on primary partitions? |
| 16:42.07 | wols_ | what have you encrypted? disks or partitions? |
| 16:42.11 | TXX_ | no i made logical partition for the linux encrypted drives |
| 16:42.17 | TXX_ | i have 1 hdd sda |
| 16:42.39 | wols_ | dd if=/dev/sda of=mbt.hex bs=512 count=1 |
| 16:42.43 | TXX_ | i made sda1 the boot sector and then made a logical part with sda5 and sda6, root and swap |
| 16:45.16 | ompaul | TXX_: pastebin fdisk -k please |
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| 16:45.57 | wols_ | TXX_: fdisk -l rather |
| 16:46.10 | ompaul | there is that |
| 16:46.21 | ompaul | TXX_: please fdisk -l and pastebin it |
| 16:46.26 | TXX_ | on it |
| 16:47.38 | TXX_ | awh shit getting a lot of errors |
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| 16:50.06 | TXX_ | http://pastebin.com/zAB9AZvF |
| 16:50.16 | TXX_ | wols_ , ompaul |
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| 16:50.52 | sinisterstuf | mycae: so I did the "create new wifi network thing" and then my desktop automatically connected to itself |
| 16:51.12 | mycae | you should be able to use the other device to connect then. |
| 16:51.13 | sinisterstuf | but other computers don't pick it up, it seems to be "hidden" or something? |
| 16:51.25 | ompaul | TXX_: crazy question but does windows ever start off a partition after the first one? I'd suggest asking in ##windows on freenode first /dev/sda3 5119 10206 40857600 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 16:52.24 | TXX_ | thanks ompaul, but the problem is that windows doesn't even see it |
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| 16:53.54 | ompaul | TXX_: well still worth telling em in ##windows (I last installed windows in the nineties) |
| 16:54.44 | TXX_ | haha yeah i guess it' |
| 16:54.49 | TXX_ | it's more of a windows problem |
| 16:54.59 | TXX_ | but some gurus might know this problem |
| 16:56.21 | ompaul | in ##windows |
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| 17:05.35 | mastermind | Hi! I recently got my server and wanted to set it up so I can host some websites, but I can't find any good howtos :( I'm just searching for a howto that guides me from an debian LAMP installation to a hosted website (I don't want to make a mess of my new server by experimenting on how to do it by myself) |
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| 17:05.59 | TXX_ | mastermind: |
| 17:06.03 | TXX_ | tbh it's VERY EASY |
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| 17:06.41 | TXX_ | you download the debian iso -> burn -> run it at boot -> config to your liking (good descriptions everywhere) |
| 17:06.54 | ompaul | mastermind: http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 17:10.12 | mastermind | TXX_: that's not what I mean, I have a LAMP installtion on my server, but I'm used to the fancy gui setup to host a website from windows servers I experimented on some time ago and am a bit lost on how to host a site on a LAMP server :/ |
| 17:10.39 | mastermind | ompaul: thanks, should have looked for that before asking x_x |
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| 17:17.26 | tylkas | > "LOLDO..." \n what is it mean? wrong codepage? |
| 17:18.04 | mycae | its slang for "haha human anatomy". |
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| 17:18.14 | tylkas | hm... |
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| 17:18.50 | ompaul | tylkas: the person sending it is also known as a grade a idiot |
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| 17:20.07 | tylkas | heh.. it's strange humor |
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| 17:23.04 | tylkas | damn.. I don't understand. How "human anatomy" can be associated with .. trolling (i correctly called that?) |
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| 17:24.56 | themill | tylkas: humour is not the word for it -- let's not let the disruption caused by one moron to be any more than necessary and just move on now. |
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| 17:27.50 | doublehp | where do i set my domain name in /etc ? |
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| 17:28.32 | ompaul | doublehp: do you want it to be seen by more than those on that box? |
| 17:28.33 | tylkas | themill, i.m sorry. I'm just learning the English language.. |
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| 17:30.04 | doublehp | ompaul: i am writing a debian fork, and I am not sure where I should set this value; it used to be at some place 8y ago, and it changed. I want it to be "public" and "compatible", so that apache and samba installation don't complain about FQDN ... |
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| 17:30.32 | archman | hello |
| 17:30.51 | doublehp | ompaul: in /etc/hostname ? |
| 17:31.16 | archman | is anyone here using linux-patch-tuxonice from sid on squeeze? all the deps are satisfied, so the first thought is that there shouldn't be any problems?.. |
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| 17:31.44 | ompaul | doublehp: /etc/hosts and so hostname for the box name |
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| 17:32.11 | doublehp | ompaul: it's defined ONLY in hosts ? |
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| 17:32.25 | ompaul | doublehp: no really you should do dns |
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| 17:32.40 | ompaul | doublehp: so it is externally compatible |
| 17:32.43 | doublehp | ompaul: embeded device: no DNS server around |
| 17:33.05 | ompaul | doublehp: good luck with that - hostname is the hostname of the box |
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| 17:33.15 | themill | archman: It may or may not work... it's a pretty invasive patch. I presume you're aware that you don't need this patch just to get suspend-to-disk capability. |
| 17:33.27 | doublehp | ompaul: so i can include the domain name in /etc/hostname ? |
| 17:33.46 | wols_ | doublehp: no fqdn in hostname |
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| 17:34.07 | doublehp | wols_: where do i set hostname then ? |
| 17:34.18 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.24 | wols_ | hostname != fqdn |
| 17:34.51 | wols_ | but hostname you set in /etc/hostname. ever noticed the strangely named file? wonder why it is named "hostname"... |
| 17:34.58 | themill | archman: actually, that sid package is designed exactly for the kernel that is in squeeze so yes it should work. you might want to find out why it wasn't released with squeeze, in that case. |
| 17:35.16 | archman | themill: looking at reasons now |
| 17:35.30 | doublehp | ompaul: i insist: it does not work this way: the shape of hosts muist reflect something else; apache requires the first word of hosts to be hostname.localdomain if domain name is not defined |
| 17:35.46 | archman | themill: i want to use toi, since it does true cache storing and has a good controling system, i liked it on the other distro |
| 17:35.47 | doublehp | defining hostname.mydomain in hosts will be rejected by apache |
| 17:35.51 | wols_ | archman: /msg dpkg tuxonice |
| 17:35.52 | archman | themill: thanks for the info! |
| 17:36.20 | _Rui_ | Hello, my system is having some trouble detecting an external LCD. It detects it as a CRT and only allows a resolution of 1024x768 when its a FullHD monitor. My graphics card is an NVidia (I'm using the NVidia proprietary drivers)and a few weeks ago I didn't have this problem. I'm on a fresh install and the problem persists. Is this a common issue? How can it be fixed? |
| 17:37.02 | archman | wols_: thanks |
| 17:39.10 | doublehp | what we put in hosts is an adjustment; hosts does not define what the server is, who it is, or where it is. Host shall be adjusted to reflect the rest of the conf. I am asking where i shall set the domain name in first place, |
| 17:39.22 | doublehp | so that i can write this in hosts: mycomputer.mydomain.com |
| 17:40.00 | xingu | doublehp: I prefer nodenames only in hosts(5) and apache starts just fine for me; not sure what you're doing. |
| 17:40.35 | doublehp | i want to be able to write this in /etc/hosts : 127.0.0.1 mycomputer.mydomain.com |
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| 17:40.53 | doublehp | but before this can be done, mydomain.com must be defined at some other place: where ? |
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| 17:42.14 | xingu | doublehp: it's generally a good idea to ensure that the fqdn of 127.0.0.1 itself is "localhost"; if you want a loopback to anchor fqdn's on, it may interest you to check the netmask of the lo interface. |
| 17:42.35 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.41 | th0r | doublehp: /etc/hostname I believe. Be careful, I think the same hostname has to be in both /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname or else things die |
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| 17:43.03 | doublehp | th0r: just being said here 3 mn ago that /etc/hostname should NOT contain FQDN ... |
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| 17:43.46 | doublehp | xingu: localhost shall be the last word of the line ; the FQDN must be the first one |
| 17:44.38 | doublehp | in otherwords, how do I make "hostname -d" show a value different from localdomain ? |
| 17:44.53 | SkilZ | Is there a shorter was of finding the PID of a process as apose to typing 'ps aux | grep name | grep -v grep' ? |
| 17:45.10 | SkilZ | s/was/way |
| 17:45.27 | ansgar | SkilZ: pgrep? |
| 17:45.28 | doublehp | SkilZ: ps is not reliable for this |
| 17:45.34 | tylkas | SkilZ, pidof |
| 17:45.41 | doublehp | SkilZ: /j #bash, then !ps |
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| 17:45.46 | SkilZ | wow, I have been using that command for years |
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| 17:46.12 | archman | themill: yeah, seems like the only bug is that the patch applies only for the 2.6.32, which is what i'm using atm, so it's cool |
| 17:46.26 | archman | should do a backup kernel entry somehow before trying, though |
| 17:46.28 | jelly-home | pgrep and pkill are nice |
| 17:47.04 | xingu | doublehp: hosts(5) as defined has no concept of domains at all; it only has addresses, names, and aliases. |
| 17:47.22 | xingu | doublehp: see struct hostent {} |
| 17:47.23 | SkilZ | hmm, pgrep name did nothing, nor did pidof name... |
| 17:47.29 | th0r | doublehp: http://greenmang0.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/how-to-set-fqdn-fully-qualified-domain-name-on-debian-system/ |
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| 17:48.40 | doublehp | th0r: yes: hosts must be adjusted to match hostname -d; now, how do i make hostname -d print foobar.com instead of localdomain ? |
| 17:48.43 | tylkas | SkilZ, tylkas@iddqd:~$ pidof xchat => 2794 |
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| 17:48.59 | tylkas | SkilZ, or it is not what U want? |
| 17:49.23 | SkilZ | tylkas: I want to find the PID of xmms2 for example |
| 17:49.32 | doublehp | xingu: same answer as above |
| 17:49.34 | sedulous | is there an easy way to maintain /etc/ with a DVCS like git and hook APT so that it updates 2 branches, "debian" and "local" (with changes that divert from the package maintainer's version) |
| 17:49.49 | tylkas | SkilZ, then find full command name to start xmms2 |
| 17:49.56 | abrotman | judd: info etckeeper --release squeeze |
| 17:49.58 | judd | Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. Version: 0.48; Size: 31.8k; Installed: 380k; Homepage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/ |
| 17:50.05 | abrotman | sedulous: like that ^^ ? |
| 17:50.07 | sedulous | thank you! |
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| 17:50.36 | abrotman | sedulous: not sure about the second part of your question .. but yes .. you can keep etc in git |
| 17:51.04 | babilen | sedulous: take a look at etckeeper |
| 17:51.17 | abrotman | babilen: too slow! |
| 17:51.19 | babilen | sedulous: ah, abrotman mentioned that already .. |
| 17:51.24 | babilen | abrotman: and again :) |
| 17:51.47 | xingu | doublehp: the manpage seems fairly clear; hostname -d reports the portion after the first dot of the canonical name for getaddrinfo(gethostname()) |
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| 17:51.59 | tylkas | SkilZ, for example, tomcat start's with 'java blah-blah-blah' |
| 17:52.06 | xingu | doublehp: the result of which depends on how your resolver is configured locally. |
| 17:52.39 | SkilZ | tylkas: Thats silly |
| 17:53.06 | tylkas | SkilZ, why? |
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| 17:53.24 | SkilZ | $ ps aux | grep xmms2 | grep -v grep |
| 17:53.28 | SkilZ | skilz 20202 7.7 37.9 504048 389300 ? Sl 00:18 16:41 /usr/local/bin/xmms2d --status-fd=6 |
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| 17:53.52 | tylkas | pidof /usr/local/bin/xmms2d |
| 17:54.02 | SkilZ | ah k |
| 17:54.50 | doublehp | xingu: so, it may depend on how DNS will resolv hostname ? based on which IP ? |
| 17:54.55 | SkilZ | so I can't just use the process application name I have to /path/to/file |
| 17:55.02 | tylkas | no |
| 17:55.07 | xingu | doublehp: whatever /proc/sys/kernel/hostname (aka utsname) is set to. |
| 17:55.24 | SkilZ | hmm |
| 17:55.32 | SkilZ | there should really be some work done for that |
| 17:55.34 | tylkas | SkilZ, it's mean, that how you run process - with that name U can pidof it |
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| 17:56.32 | SkilZ | like 'pid xmms2' '20202' |
| 17:56.36 | SkilZ | that would be really handy |
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| 17:56.58 | blubberdiblub | SkilZ, having to be more specific when finding a pid is much better. think about it. what if you have 2 different programs running with the same name but from different paths. how do you distinguish them using just their name? |
| 17:57.00 | SkilZ | or 'pid conky' '34624' ect ect |
| 17:57.05 | jelly-home | SkilZ: you were already given tools that do that |
| 17:57.11 | xingu | doublehp: also not necessarily "dns"; getaddrinfo - whatever glibc wants to use to resolve your hostname (might be files, db, dns, yp/nis, avahi, ...) |
| 17:57.22 | SkilZ | blubberdiblub: Why on earth would you do that? |
| 17:57.35 | SkilZ | jelly-home: I was? |
| 17:57.55 | doublehp | xingu: and how is defined the default resolver ? |
| 17:58.17 | yeats | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.19 | jelly-home | SkilZ: yes, pgrep or pidof |
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| 17:58.21 | tylkas | SkilZ, write U own pidof =] own programm always much better than other |
| 17:58.43 | SkilZ | jelly-home: Yes, but you need to /path/to/file |
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| 17:59.07 | jelly-home | SkilZ: "pgrep urxvt" works here |
| 17:59.10 | SkilZ | rather then just file name like ps aux | grep file | grep -v grep |
| 17:59.30 | xingu | doublehp: implementation defined; for instance what does nsswitch.conf say about the hosts map? what does getent hosts `hostname` say? |
| 17:59.40 | blubberdiblub | SkilZ, maybe running 2 different versions simultaneosly? i don't know. sometimes it may not even be under your control what programs run. it's just more robust to be more specific. but why don't you stick to a *grep approach if you like that better? |
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| 18:00.08 | doublehp | xingu: hosts: files dns ? |
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| 18:00.16 | SkilZ | Okay thanks guys |
| 18:00.30 | xingu | doublehp: so for you you hosts is authoritative then dns. |
| 18:00.30 | tylkas | SkilZ, as simple way: write bash script, which stdout all pids with name from argument |
| 18:00.38 | tylkas | it's realy simple |
| 18:00.45 | doublehp | xingu: i think i got it ... |
| 18:00.56 | doublehp | xingu: gotta write all this, i may forget before 10mn |
| 18:01.01 | doublehp | xingu: thanks |
| 18:01.02 | jelly-home | SkilZ: what does your xmms2 command line look like that pgrep fails to find it? Can you show ps -fe |grep -i xmms |
| 18:01.13 | doublehp | xingu: 12 y I never had understood this |
| 18:01.22 | mycae | SkilZ, Use ps augxw | grep [f]ile |
| 18:01.25 | SkilZ | jelly-home: $ |
| 18:01.32 | mycae | that eliminates the need for the inverse grep. |
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| 18:01.52 | jelly-home | SkilZ: is there, in fact, an xmms2 process running at all? |
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| 18:02.00 | SkilZ | mycae: ahh cool thanks |
| 18:02.05 | xingu | doublehp: again going back to your original scope - I generally assign virtual names to other parts of 127/8 (so 127.0.1.1 some.label.to.make.apache.happy) in /etc/hosts |
| 18:02.12 | SkilZ | $ ps augxw | grep xmms2 |
| 18:02.13 | SkilZ | skilz 15637 1.0 2.0 119968 21360 ? Sl 03:55 0:04 /usr/local/bin/xmms2d --status-fd=6 |
| 18:02.17 | SkilZ | skilz 22535 0.0 0.0 3300 744 pts/0 S+ 04:01 0:00 grep xmms2 |
| 18:02.19 | SkilZ | sure is |
| 18:02.22 | jelly-home | SkilZ: so it's called "xmms2d" |
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| 18:02.34 | SkilZ | $ pgrep xmms2 |
| 18:02.37 | SkilZ | skilz@ataraxia:~/.irssi/scripts/autorun$ |
| 18:02.58 | SkilZ | $pgrep xmms2d |
| 18:03.02 | SkilZ | # |
| 18:03.07 | SkilZ | doesnt find it |
| 18:03.08 | xingu | doublehp: generally it's a bad idea to make the canonical name of 127.0.0.1 itself anything other than "localhost"; and some applications (not all) only care about the canonical name (do not care about aliases for a given entry) |
| 18:03.09 | SkilZ | odd |
| 18:03.42 | xingu | doublehp: "dnsdomainname" is such an application... |
| 18:03.45 | tylkas | SkilZ, http://pastebin.com/cmLFaV69 |
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| 18:04.16 | abrotman | SkilZ: did you try xmms2* ? |
| 18:04.53 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 18:05.07 | jelly-home | SkilZ: I find that unlikely. You might want to do a substring search across the whole command line, pgrep -f xmms2d |
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| 18:06.54 | SkilZ | jelly-home: pgrep -f xmms2d worked :) |
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| 18:07.39 | jelly-home | it's possible that the process changes its command line and the first app started wasn't really /usr/local/bin/xmms2d |
| 18:08.00 | SkilZ | ah ok |
| 18:08.01 | SkilZ | thanks |
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| 18:08.17 | SkilZ | im off the bed now cya |
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| 18:14.04 | RainbowW | i'm getting errors on drive ata9. is there a way to figure out which drive ata9 actually is? |
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| 18:15.41 | epsilon | run startctl test on it, it's the drive making more noise than others |
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| 18:19.02 | MoL0ToV | one question: howto redownload /etc/grub.d directory? |
| 18:19.25 | MoL0ToV | i tryed to do a apt-get purge grub and then apt-get install grub |
| 18:19.31 | MoL0ToV | but don't work.. |
| 18:19.45 | laidback_01 | got to your repo where you keep all the backups of your /etc dir and pull from a known good config. |
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| 18:21.11 | andermetalsh | hello , I am installing Debian on Qemu PowerPC (just trying before installing on a real PowerMac) , and I an having some issues with Quik bootloader . I can't install it . |
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| 18:21.44 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 18:21.44 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:30.28 | Sazpaimon_ | can someone reccomend an OCR reader that isn't tesseract |
| 18:30.38 | Sazpaimon_ | because I cant get tesseract to output anything that isnt garbage |
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| 18:37.18 | ksk | hi |
| 18:37.26 | ksk | on debian squeeze: Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated |
| 18:37.33 | ksk | what should i use instead? |
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| 18:40.00 | simonlnu | been saying that for a while.... use ifdown -a && ifup -a ; be sure to test first before doing so. man ifupdown |
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| 18:41.27 | maotm | ksk: service networking restart |
| 18:41.49 | maotm | ksk: invoke-rc.d networking restart |
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| 18:45.21 | ksk | maotm: it appears to be the same :> |
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| 18:46.34 | ksk | simonlnu: thanks |
| 18:47.13 | ksk | another thing is: /etc/network/interfaces says not to use it but creating interfaces.tail |
| 18:47.35 | ksk | how to make ${the tool to restart all interfaces} use it? |
| 18:47.38 | jelly-home | whatwhere |
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| 18:47.53 | simonlnu | i've always used it |
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| 18:48.29 | jelly-home | ksk: it says that because a) there's some possibility to leave the machine without a network connection and b) the maintainer is a git |
| 18:48.39 | ksk | ye i used it too. but the default one shipped with squeeze tells me not to do.. |
| 18:48.42 | ksk | mhm okay |
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| 18:48.58 | ksk | i know "network-manager" overwrites it, but i dont use it.. |
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| 18:49.17 | ksk | okay. thanks again |
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| 19:02.16 | archman | how to make network-manager to not turn on the wlan0 interface? should that option be entered in the conf file? i don't see anything relevant to it in there. |
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| 19:02.41 | archman | addition to the above text, heh: "wlan0 interface on boot" |
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| 19:03.20 | Odaym | when I do "gpg --list-secret-keys" i get two keys of mine |
| 19:03.57 | Odaym | how can I use one of them to decrypt? meaning "gpg --output foo.text --decrypt foo.txt.gpg" |
| 19:04.07 | jpinx | beardy: fwiw - I have been playing and the depends for arm are different to those for i386 :( |
| 19:04.08 | Odaym | that command uses the key that it thinks is my default |
| 19:04.23 | Odaym | how can I force it to use another key to decrypt |
| 19:04.31 | beardy | jpinx: Hmm ok. |
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| 19:04.53 | beardy | jpinx: Well, use dpo and do it the hard way I guess. |
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| 19:05.32 | DL7LN | hey everybody! i copied my system to a larger hdd and now i'm having trouble with grub & friends... here a screenshot of the problem: http://picpaste.de/DSC_0014.jpg |
| 19:05.41 | DL7LN | the root-fs is ext3, may that cause the trouble? |
| 19:05.44 | jpinx | beardy: I did -- still shuffling depends :( |
| 19:06.43 | beardy | jpinx: I still don't understand how you reach the Internet.. |
| 19:06.56 | beardy | jpinx: And why you can't just use apt-get on the N900.. |
| 19:07.07 | jelly-home | DL7LN: how exactly did you copy the system |
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| 19:07.31 | DL7LN | jelly-home: thnx for answering...ok, that's how i did it: |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | DL7LN: it seems the kernel root= parameter may be incorrect |
| 19:07.58 | daedaluz | DL7LN: next time it could be a good idea to use g4l for _cloning_, copying isn't exactly the same... |
| 19:08.18 | DL7LN | jelly-home: i created new partitions on the target-drive, that is larger. |
| 19:08.31 | DL7LN | jelly-home: then i copied all the files onto it. |
| 19:08.43 | jelly-home | DL7LN: did you also create new filesystems? |
| 19:08.45 | jpinx | beardy: usb0 in the eeepc, ssh into the n900 as user, wget the .debs I need |
| 19:08.59 | jelly-home | DL7LN: with different UUIDs? |
| 19:09.04 | DL7LN | jelly-home: sure. then i copied the boot-sector with dd |
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| 19:09.16 | jpinx | beardy: no clue how to share the connection that the n900 has |
| 19:09.21 | DL7LN | jelly-home: i have taken care to change the UUIDs in grub |
| 19:09.48 | DL7LN | daedaluz: i know... |
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| 19:10.07 | beardy | jpinx: Like I told you, set up a default route ('man ip' look for route) pointing at the usb0 interface, or the N900-side ip address. |
| 19:10.10 | DL7LN | jelly-home: i guess it has something to do with the initrd... |
| 19:10.22 | jelly-home | !tell DL7LN about initramfs debug |
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| 19:10.52 | DL7LN | because my old system had one, because there were crypto-devices.... |
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| 19:12.20 | jelly-home | DL7LN: yeah, did you get an URL from dpkg the bot? |
| 19:12.50 | DL7LN | jelly-home: i did, thank you. but let me explain what i did at the end... |
| 19:13.15 | jpinx | beardy: as in " ip route add default 192.168.2.15 " or so? |
| 19:13.30 | DL7LN | jelly-home: i tried to create a new initrd, i don't if grub can mount the root-fs without one.... |
| 19:13.57 | jelly-home | DL7LN: using update-initramfs -k ... -c? |
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| 19:14.32 | DL7LN | jelly-home: but ubuntu (my rescue system atm) wants to build a initrd with the kernel 2.6.38 (actual ubuntu kernel). i tried it with the new drive mounted and chrooted |
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| 19:14.56 | DL7LN | jelly-home: okaz, i'll try it out....thank you so far! |
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| 19:15.08 | jelly-home | DL7LN: what did you do if not that? :-) |
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| 19:15.49 | DL7LN | jelly-home: one mom, i'll tell you :) |
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| 19:16.04 | jelly-home | no mom around |
| 19:16.28 | jelly-home | anyhoo, I'm afk for a bit |
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| 19:17.40 | beardy | jpinx: 'ip route add default via 192.168.2.15' if .15 is the N900 end yes. |
| 19:18.28 | DL7LN | jelly-home: i did something weird with mkinitramfs := |
| 19:18.56 | beardy | jpinx: Though the N900 has to do NAT for 192.168.2.0/24.. |
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| 19:19.20 | beardy | !masquerading |
| 19:19.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, masquerading is NAT, or what Cisco calls PAT, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE assuming eth0 is the big bad Internet... |
| 19:19.25 | jpinx | beardy: that could be an issue ;) |
| 19:20.24 | DL7LN | jelly-home: okay, were getting the problem: tat: cannot stat `/dev/mapper/sda6_crypt': No such file or directory |
| 19:21.00 | DL7LN | jelly-home: where is the information (sda6_crypt) stored? that's wrong and stuff from the old config |
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| 19:22.04 | jpinx | beardy: something like " iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE " in the n900? |
| 19:22.22 | beardy | jpinx: No, usb0 is not Internet. |
| 19:22.39 | beardy | jpinx: usb0 is your LAN, right? |
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| 19:23.01 | jpinx | beardy: errr -- yes- I think so ;) |
| 19:23.19 | beardy | jpinx: The device should be whatever connects you to the Internet, gprs0 or.. ifconfig, check it out. |
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| 19:24.26 | jpinx | beardy: well guessed .. it shows up as gprs0 ;) |
| 19:25.11 | jpinx | beardy: so something like " iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o gprs0 -j MASQUERADE " in the n900? |
| 19:26.19 | jpinx | beardy: but where/how does that bring in 192.168.2.0/24 ? |
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| 19:29.36 | imdea | hi, i would want to know how could i store documentation relative to all my servers, procedures, etc? what do you suggest? |
| 19:30.25 | beardy | jpinx: INTERNET<-->(Masquerade)grps0@N900(route192.168.2.0/24)<-->EEEPC |
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| 19:30.54 | Pinchiukas | Which file do I get from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ if I want to install squeeze? |
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| 19:31.08 | Pinchiukas | The latest or the squeeze ones? |
| 19:31.43 | beardy | jpinx: Whatever wants to go out on grps0 will be masqueraded as coming from the ip-address of gprs0, when the traffic returns it is translated back to the ip-address it came from, on usb0. |
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| 19:32.39 | jpinx | beardy: ok -- hope I don't b0rk the n900 ;) |
| 19:33.04 | RainbowW | i'm getting errors on drive ata9. is there a way to figure out which drive ata9 actually is? |
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| 19:33.58 | beardy | jpinx: Easy enough to remove the iptables entry. |
| 19:34.08 | jpinx | beaqrlooks like iptables is not complete in the n900's maemo- it wants a kernel upgrade :( |
| 19:34.18 | beardy | Bah.. |
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| 19:34.53 | inkvizitor68sl | imdea: wiki is the best way. |
| 19:35.11 | inkvizitor68sl | imdea: probably, DokuWiki, as it is not uses DB |
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| 19:35.52 | inkvizitor68sl | imdea: any another solution will be usefull only if all your information is similiar (e.g. IP/netmask/OS/pass/etc for each server). |
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| 19:36.17 | jpinx | beardy: iptables is latest - just installed yesterday, so I guess it's the kernel -- not something I want to risk on the primary phone |
| 19:36.50 | jpinx | beardy: it already crashes a bit :( |
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| 19:37.21 | beardy | jpinx: I see. Yes, kernel modules are the important part of iptables. |
| 19:38.08 | jpinx | beardy: iptables v1.4.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 19:38.18 | imdea | inkvizitor68sl, but a wiki es kind of "public" and so any person could see "sensible" information |
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| 19:41.36 | inkvizitor68sl | imdea: hm. you need link to manuals about htaccess+htpasswd or chroot with runnig apache for your laptop) ? |
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| 19:43.07 | inkvizitor68sl | imdea: debootstrap+chroot-> chroot /where/you/debootstrapped -> mount /proc, mount /sys, emacs /etc/apache2/ports.conf -> Listen 127.0.0.1:8180 -> chroot /where apachectl start -> you have local apache on your laptop in directory which you can copy |
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| 19:44.34 | inkvizitor68sl | imdea: and move to any another host and run it with chroot /dir apachectl start |
| 19:44.35 | rhenani | Hello guys I have a a problem, my speaker isn't working, Used alsamixer to fix it and it worked last week but today the speaker is not working again and alsamixer doesn't work =( |
| 19:45.20 | rhenani | Maybe I'm missing something |
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| 19:46.40 | parcs | does dlopen() support loading shared objects like /usr/lib/libpanel.so whose contents are "INPUT(-lpanelw)" ? |
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| 19:48.23 | lynx___ | What is -cil, as in gtk-sharp2-cil |
| 19:48.42 | lynx___ | hello? |
| 19:49.15 | babilen | lynx___: common language infrastructure |
| 19:49.35 | ircguy | is selinux enabled on squeeze by default? |
| 19:49.45 | babilen | ircguy: no |
| 19:50.00 | ircguy | man, I am having a hell of a time with a samba share and just can't figure it out |
| 19:50.16 | lynx___ | What's a good flickr downloading program for debian? I can't get FlickrEdit to download sets from other accounts |
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| 19:50.22 | ircguy | 2 shares configured exactly the same way with the same permissions on the directories they're sharing |
| 19:50.30 | lynx___ | And desktop whatever it is is an .exe that requires a program called mono? |
| 19:50.32 | DL7LN | Where is the information about sda6_crypt stored?? http://pastebin.com/d2S5yv4B |
| 19:50.33 | ircguy | only difference is one of them is on a separate drive on an ext4 partition |
| 19:50.58 | lynx___ | What does mono/cil do? |
| 19:51.12 | babilen | DL7LN: /etc/crypttab |
| 19:51.13 | themill | lynx___: have you asked google yet? |
| 19:51.24 | lynx___ | Yes |
| 19:51.31 | lynx___ | It says it's an ECDA/.NET program runner |
| 19:51.54 | lynx___ | MEaning... it can run .NET exes? |
| 19:52.16 | jpinx | beardy: going for the kernel upgrade - i am told it is just "modules" ;) |
| 19:52.17 | ircguy | I think more like .NET aspx |
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| 19:52.25 | lynx___ | When I go to Google, it hangs there. |
| 19:52.31 | DL7LN | babilen: no, that's not relevant for update-initramfs |
| 19:53.07 | DL7LN | and the information was correct in this file, sda6_crypt is part of the old config |
| 19:53.13 | lynx___ | actually I asked man... it says:mono is a runtime implementation of the ECMA Common Language Infrastructure. This can be used to run ECMA and .NET applications. |
| 19:53.15 | babilen | DL7LN: ok |
| 19:53.44 | lynx___ | So I type mono WindowsProgramThatOnlyUses.NET2.5orLater.exe |
| 19:53.56 | lynx___ | and it automagically works? |
| 19:54.04 | DL7LN | babilen: now i'm searching for this old fragment, i don't know how where update-initramfs got this information...but it needs to be corrected... |
| 19:54.06 | lynx___ | are ya gonna answer or what |
| 19:54.31 | babilen | !tell lynx___ about volunteers |
| 19:54.41 | lynx___ | maybe if I do this people will pay attention |
| 19:54.47 | lynx___ | f!)gFn%| rnUSY?bQ A5C/b3j* l;ZWz+j} ho\uP=~' qoYI$y\` _fXH~FJA |
| 19:54.51 | themill | /csop |
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| 19:54.59 | ircguy | ah crap, you just crashed my computer! |
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| 19:56.27 | DL7LN | babilen: ok, back to work :) do you have any suggestions where to search for that? |
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| 19:56.43 | beardy | jpinx: You shouldn't need to upgrade, just load the modules but ok. |
| 19:56.59 | beardy | is a little busy at work/slow |
| 19:57.34 | jpinx | beardy: ok ;) do I need to reboot the phone you think -- it's still giving the same error |
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| 20:02.19 | beardy | jpinx: You also need 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' after adding the iptables rule. |
| 20:02.33 | beardy | jpinx: If installing a new kernel yes. If only installing the modules, no. |
| 20:03.19 | jpinx | I think it only installed modules, but it's asking me do I need to do some insmod thing ? |
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| 20:03.42 | jpinx | I did the echo 1 > /proc..... line ok |
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| 20:06.44 | beardy | jpinx: You shouldn't have to, and if you do, use modproble. Check if modprobe is installed. |
| 20:06.52 | beardy | modprobe* |
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| 20:07.35 | jpinx | beardy: modprobe <what> ? |
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| 20:10.17 | DL7LN | i'm chrooted and i'm trying to make a new initrd for my system (Debian, Kernel 2.6.32-5-686). I'm running an Ubuntu LiveDisc atm. This is the error i'm getting http://pastebin.com/qKeVB3tf |
| 20:10.18 | dashs | #list #pc |
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| 20:11.53 | rozie | DL7LN: did you mount /dev and /proc before entering chroot? |
| 20:11.56 | beardy | jpinx: I don't know is the "base" module, "iptable_filter" perhaps. |
| 20:12.03 | beardy | which |
| 20:12.08 | dashs | I'm looking for a solid 4-port usb 2.0 hub -- recommendations? |
| 20:12.28 | jpinx | beardy modprobe -l shows /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ip_tables.ko and /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/iptable_filter.ko but nothing like nat or masquerade |
| 20:12.31 | beardy | Should load dynamically like I said but try. |
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| 20:12.58 | beardy | jpinx: masquerade might be baked into another one these days. |
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| 20:14.54 | jpinx | beardy: tthe error says "... can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist ..." so where does that come from? |
| 20:15.22 | Rafase282 | Hello, I woudl like to install Debian on my Archos 5 IT gen7, anyone familiar with this? |
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| 20:15.55 | DL7LN | rozie: i did :) |
| 20:16.45 | ompaul | Rafase282: not saying it is right but this is all I could find http://dev.openaos.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 20:17.31 | Blue1 | !nvidia |
| 20:17.32 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:19.02 | Rafase282 | i cant get the device to connect to the interent using those methods, maybe caus eim not familiar with it |
| 20:19.13 | DL7LN | i just want to know, from where update-initramfs got the information about sda6_crypt |
| 20:19.17 | DL7LN | http://pastebin.com/qKeVB3tf |
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| 20:20.05 | DL7LN | or: what config-files are important to update-initramfs? |
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| 20:20.22 | beardy | jpinx: 'modprobe iptable_mangle' perhaps. |
| 20:21.44 | Blue1 | pardon my dumbness - I am trying to install a video driver in debian. i have an nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (pci express) -- what driver do I want to install? the 173 driver, or the nouveau one? |
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| 20:23.18 | jpinx | beardy: not fouund |
| 20:23.35 | phorce1_home | this isn't debian specific but is there a way to get one monitor to go to sleep when running as separate X displays? xset -display :0.1 dpms force off turns off both screens (0.0 and 0.1) and they both come back on when there is input (mouse) on either |
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| 20:24.51 | jpinx | beardy: it looks likea new kernel image was installed, so I'll try a reboot on the phone -- brb -- if it works ;) |
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| 20:32.09 | mikke1 | hi, can you tell me which image i should download, which has wifi drivers in it? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso this one doesnt have. |
| 20:32.26 | fenugreek | mikke1: which driver do you figure you need, and why? |
| 20:32.28 | daemonkeeper | It dies, maybe you need a firmware image though |
| 20:32.32 | daemonkeeper | !firmware images |
| 20:32.33 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 20:32.43 | daemonkeeper | *does |
| 20:33.03 | mikke1 | thanks |
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| 20:34.54 | raenk | Hi, I did the stupid thing of mixing two debian flavors and of course now I have a screwed APT. Is there a way to fix this, any good reads for it ? |
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| 20:38.50 | jpinx-reboot | beardy: reboot worked - commands acepted but still not getting through the n900 |
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| 20:41.48 | m1h0 | hi all |
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| 20:43.04 | jelly-home | hello m one h zero |
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| 20:46.13 | boudiccas | raenk; backup and reinstall, and stick to one like squeeze or wheezy or whatver takes your fancy, but dont mix and match. as you've found out its not good |
| 20:48.25 | Blue1 | i have read the wiki here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers on installing the nvidia driver but I am more confused - - can someone help? |
| 20:49.16 | jelly-home | Blue1: what are you confused about? |
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| 20:50.08 | Blue1 | jelly-home: well I don't know what driver supports more card. SO I am unsure what to install. and then how to configure it - the x configuration section said okay edit the file - but didn't tell me what to put inside it. |
| 20:50.16 | Blue1 | s/more/my/ |
| 20:50.47 | Blue1 | jelly-home: not new to linux - but new to debian |
| 20:51.21 | jelly-home | Blue1: install the usual nvidia-kernel-dkms if it works |
| 20:52.02 | Blue1 | hmmm |
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| 20:54.58 | jelly-home | in other words, follow http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Use_DKMS |
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| 20:56.47 | Pinchiukas | How is this script: http://pastebin.com/kHCvdUpb supposed to work on non-debian systems? It's debootstrap. |
| 20:57.47 | daemonkeeper | By guessing. joeyh made a patch recently, but generally you have to tell debootstrap about your arch with --arch |
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| 20:58.13 | Pinchiukas | It CAN'T work on a non-debian system. |
| 20:58.15 | Pinchiukas | Read it. |
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| 20:58.47 | Pinchiukas | It doesn't even get to the part where it reads that I tell it with --arch. |
| 20:58.54 | rww | non-Debian or Debian-derivative, anyway. |
| 20:59.04 | Pinchiukas | Seriously? |
| 20:59.08 | rww | What gives you the impression it's supposed to work? |
| 20:59.23 | daemonkeeper | Pinchiukas: As I said, joeyh made a guessing hack recently. |
| 20:59.24 | Blue1 | jelly-home: can't run glxgears |
| 20:59.31 | daemonkeeper | Or --arch alterantively. |
| 20:59.33 | Pinchiukas | Well all the docs say "install debian from a unix/linux system", not "debian-derived system". |
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| 20:59.46 | rww | Pinchiukas: link? |
| 20:59.49 | Pinchiukas | daemonkeeper: ffs that does nothing. |
| 20:59.58 | Pinchiukas | rww: http://pastebin.com/kHCvdUpb |
| 21:00.05 | rww | Pinchiukas: to the documentation |
| 21:00.09 | Night-Hacks | what does that mean when top shows the memory usage of the process Zero !!!!? |
| 21:00.12 | daemonkeeper | Obviously, as I said "recently". However you can see, even your version supports $DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR/arch |
| 21:00.22 | Pinchiukas | rww: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html |
| 21:00.42 | jelly-home | Blue1: after having installed nvidia-kernel-dkms, confirming it built the kernel parts of the driver, and restarting X or rebooting the machine? |
| 21:00.48 | Pinchiukas | daemonkeeper: what does that mean? |
| 21:01.00 | Blue1 | jelly-home: says xlib extension glx is missing |
| 21:01.01 | Pinchiukas | At least to me it looks like an obvious bug. |
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| 21:01.13 | daemonkeeper | Pinchiukas: As last resort, your version reads a file $DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR/arch to learn about the target architecture. |
| 21:01.17 | Blue1 | jelly-home: yes I rebooted |
| 21:01.24 | luca | hi |
| 21:01.28 | Pinchiukas | daemonkeeper: so I just make an empty dir? |
| 21:02.02 | daemonkeeper | The bootstrap dir. However I think --arch is supported for you as well. |
| 21:02.10 | Pinchiukas | Still, the script is broken. |
| 21:02.21 | luca | im currently building a home game sever is debian best server distro i know its used with most web hosts? |
| 21:02.24 | beardy | jpinx: Ok. traceroute somewhere from the eeepc, also make sure eeepc resolv.conf points to N900, or actually, use googles 8.8.8.8 on it.. or the same as on N900 |
| 21:02.29 | Pinchiukas | Don't you see that using --arch does absolutely nothing? |
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| 21:04.10 | daemonkeeper | Pinchiukas: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debootstrap.git;a=blob;f=debootstrap;h=facd1d8fd0781cc32beddb801e941d2fc39a43be;hb=HEAD#l203 |
| 21:04.13 | Pinchiukas | The script tries to guess and when it fails, it quits immediately. It doesn't proceed to read what I've specified in --arch. |
| 21:04.16 | Blue1 | !pastebin |
| 21:04.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:04.39 | derric | Well I sorted out the tiny font problem by accident. You just have to change the font size as root, then the memu and app tab fonst are all resized to what you want. |
| 21:04.57 | Pinchiukas | daemonkeeper: what are you trying to tell me? |
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| 21:05.12 | Blue1 | jelly-home: this is what I am getting: http://paste.debian.net/126946/ |
| 21:05.49 | daemonkeeper | Pinchiukas: That --arch is honored, see line 203 and following. |
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| 21:06.21 | Pinchiukas | daemonkeeper: did you read my pastebin? |
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| 21:07.16 | Pinchiukas | What is DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR anyway? |
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| 21:07.39 | daemonkeeper | I did. And if you would not have quoted your snippet only, you would notice, that $HOST_ARCH is not needed, if $ARCH is present, see line 422 |
| 21:07.48 | Pinchiukas | Aw, shoot. I might have misread it. :) |
| 21:07.59 | Pinchiukas | Anyway, specifying it in RH 6.1 does nothing. :/ |
| 21:08.14 | qwd | Anyone use ncmpc? Could you install ncmpc-lyrics and see if you get any lyrics? I'm just getting "Lyrics (loading...)". When stopping with Esc and starting download again with "u" ncmpc closes with "Segmentation fault." Seems odd there's no bug report for this so wanted to make sure before I send one. |
| 21:08.25 | Pinchiukas | # /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch=i386 squeeze /mnt |
| 21:08.26 | Pinchiukas | E: Couldn't work out current architecture |
| 21:08.43 | jelly-home | Blue1: pastebin your full Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:09.00 | Blue1 | jelly-home: okay give me a sec |
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| 21:11.30 | jelly-home | Blue1: also, your dmesg or /var/log/kern.log starting from this boot |
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| 21:14.21 | daemonkeeper | Pinchiukas: If you read the code, the part of your snippet is only used, when --arch is not used. So I wonder what's wrong for you |
| 21:14.35 | iderik | In which configfile can I change the login theme? |
| 21:14.41 | zapadlo | !ask |
| 21:14.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:15.13 | Blue1 | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/126947/ |
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| 21:15.41 | Pinchiukas | daemonkeeper: also, am I supposed to use the latest version or the one that has 'squeeze' in it? |
| 21:16.24 | Pinchiukas | I mean from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/. |
| 21:16.31 | daemonkeeper | Pinchiukas: Should not matter for you, but bootstrap was broken in post-squeeze due to the Multiarch transition |
| 21:16.46 | Pinchiukas | I'm currently using debootstrap_1.0.35_all.deb. |
| 21:16.47 | iderik | zapadlo: i tried several strings for dpkg bot, but he couldnt answer |
| 21:17.11 | jpinx | beardy: it gets wierder - now I can not ping the n900 from the eeepc, but I can ssh into it - wtf? |
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| 21:18.15 | Pinchiukas | daemonkeeper: any suggestions on how to fix the issue? |
| 21:18.24 | Pinchiukas | What is DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR anyway? |
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| 21:18.43 | zapadlo | iderik That was just for my use. |
| 21:18.55 | yoshio | !tell iderik about theme |
| 21:20.24 | daemonkeeper | Pinchiukas: The installation directory, /mnt in your case. |
| 21:20.26 | jelly-home | Blue1: well. You have not edited your xorg.conf yet? |
| 21:20.41 | daemonkeeper | So /mnt/arch should be used as last resort. |
| 21:20.54 | Pinchiukas | So I just 'mkdir /mnt/i386'? |
| 21:20.56 | Blue1 | jelly-home: no, I do not have one - and I don't know what needs to be in there. |
| 21:21.14 | jelly-home | Blue1: which parts of the wiki steps have you done until now? |
| 21:21.18 | Blue1 | jelly-home: that's /etc/X11/xorg.conf right? |
| 21:21.32 | Blue1 | jelly-home: I installed the dkms file |
| 21:22.22 | Blue1 | jelly-home: that;s where I am lost - how and what to configure. |
| 21:22.45 | jelly-home | Blue1: so that's step 2. Install the kernel module |
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| 21:23.20 | Blue1 | jelly-home: yes that;s where I am at..... |
| 21:23.44 | jelly-home | !tell Blue1 about nvidia dkms |
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| 21:24.23 | jelly-home | Blue1: continue that factoid (what dpkg told you in private), starting from mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 21:24.46 | Blue1 | jelly-home: there is nothing here |
| 21:24.56 | Blue1 | jelly-home: there are no message |
| 21:25.06 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 21:25.11 | jelly-home | !nvidia dkms |
| 21:25.12 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 21:25.44 | Pinchiukas | Anyone can help me with my debootstrap not detecting the architecture? RHEL 6.1. |
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| 21:27.09 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: you'll need to fix the script a bit. |
| 21:27.16 | jelly-home | I had to on RHEL5, at least |
| 21:27.32 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: or force the architecture |
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| 21:28.09 | jelly-home | funnily, debootstrap authors made some assumptions that don't really work on redhat |
| 21:28.24 | mjt | such as? |
| 21:28.47 | jelly-home | I don't remember and it's gone from my history file |
| 21:29.05 | mjt | i used debootstrap on rhel successfully in the past |
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| 21:29.10 | jelly-home | /dev tarball gets quite broken for some reason |
| 21:29.14 | mjt | without any additional options |
| 21:29.32 | Blue1 | jelly-home: i created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf as shown - and it works - thanks |
| 21:29.35 | jelly-home | I _think_ it was due to invalid parameters to MAKEDEV |
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| 21:30.52 | mjt | jelly-home: it does not call MAKEDEV for anything but hurd :) |
| 21:31.14 | jelly-home | mjt: well, that just means it was broken in more than one place |
| 21:31.41 | mjt | please file bugreports next time you face something similar |
| 21:31.54 | mjt | debootstrap is supposed to work on non-debian systems |
| 21:31.55 | iderik | How do I change the login screen? I downloaded a pack and Im not sure where to put it or what to configure. Ive tried to google it but no results. |
| 21:32.14 | jelly-home | mjt: that IS the idea, yes |
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| 21:32.23 | mjt | i just executed debootstrap on RHEL6.1 virtual machine - it is running now |
| 21:32.49 | jelly-home | amd64? |
| 21:32.59 | mjt | yes amd64 |
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| 21:33.23 | Admc`_ | fuck yea, mam debiana na telefonie :) |
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| 21:33.53 | Admc`_ | nawet apt-get muli ale cóż :) |
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| 21:34.24 | jelly-home | this was on RHEL5 update 2 or 3, x86_64, debootstrapping i386 lenny |
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| 21:34.51 | mjt | yeah, that was quite some time ago, yet it is supposed to work ;) |
| 21:34.59 | Admc`_ | oopps I forgot, it's eglish chanell |
| 21:35.03 | mjt | the /dev content looks sane (it is still working) |
| 21:35.06 | Admc`_ | I got debian on my phone :D |
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| 21:35.36 | jelly-home | well, it doesn't really need much I think; null, zero, console |
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| 21:35.53 | jelly-home | the usual chroot() stuff |
| 21:35.58 | mjt | indeed, everything else comes from udev |
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| 21:38.01 | johntramp | hi. are there any simple cli apps which i can use to show how many unread mails are in a pop3 account? |
| 21:38.19 | jelly-home | mjt: ? udev doesn't get run or installed in a debootstrap (by default) |
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| 21:45.26 | pbase | I am trying to make my inbuilt bluetooth adapter work in debian testing. I am getting this error in dmesg- hci_cmd_task: hci0 command tx timeout and when I do sudo hciconfig hci0 up , I get Can't init device hci0: Connection timed out (110) |
| 21:45.50 | fenugreek | what make computer? |
| 21:46.16 | pbase | fenugreek: hcl (india) |
| 21:46.45 | fenugreek | new one |
| 21:46.51 | pbase | yes |
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| 21:46.56 | fenugreek | should really visit India sometime |
| 21:47.41 | pbase | doesn't make any difference. It turning to sh!t |
| 21:47.58 | fenugreek | =) |
| 21:48.01 | pbase | it was good earlier |
| 21:48.07 | fenugreek | the company or the country? |
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| 21:48.26 | pbase | lol the company is doing well currently |
| 21:48.52 | pbase | what do you think could be the issue? |
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| 21:57.15 | Accelerator | Do I need to install a package for this commain: "add-apt-repository" |
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| 21:57.52 | cesurasean | Set the MTURK_SDK_HOME environment variable to point to your SDK installation location. - guys, how do i setup this variable? |
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| 21:58.05 | Accelerator | Nevermind |
| 21:58.14 | Accelerator | I think that's Ubuntu related instructions. |
| 21:58.16 | mycae | cesurasean, how often do you want to do this, and how do you launch your SDK editor environment doohicker |
| 21:58.32 | themill | Accelerator: that question is normally a sign that you're mixing debian and ubuntu and that's not something you want to do |
| 21:58.37 | cesurasean | i want it to happen everytime. |
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| 21:58.42 | cesurasean | i boot |
| 21:58.47 | Accelerator | themill: Hahah, yeah, I just got mixed up in the documentation. |
| 21:59.02 | cesurasean | mycae, i want it permanent. |
| 21:59.02 | Accelerator | It has intrustctions for Ubuntu and Debian in the same general area. |
| 21:59.03 | mycae | usually you add an appropriate "export NAME_OF_VAR=somevalue" to the correct location. In your case it could be .bash_profile if you are using something like gnome-terminal |
| 21:59.30 | cesurasean | mycae, is there a way to add it system-wide without editing bash_profile? |
| 21:59.36 | mycae | rc.local |
| 21:59.39 | cesurasean | or, when i add that to root, it will be used? |
| 21:59.57 | mycae | no, bash_profile is at login time |
| 22:00.02 | mycae | or rather, login shell time. |
| 22:00.06 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 22:00.47 | mycae | ah /etc/profile would be the right place |
| 22:00.50 | cesurasean | mycae, thanks |
| 22:00.55 | mycae | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html , section 9.9 |
| 22:01.45 | mycae | but, as suggested there, modifying the launcher is a better solution |
| 22:01.54 | mycae | using environment variables is a pain for all. |
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| 22:03.05 | Accelerator | Would it be a bad idea to mix and match packages from unstable and stable? |
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| 22:04.48 | mycae | Accelerator, you know about backports? |
| 22:05.16 | jelly-home | Accelerator: short answer, yes |
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| 22:06.22 | Accelerator | mycae: Not fully. I'm looking into wanting to install the unstable version of Cherokee on my server, but not switch to unstable entirely. |
| 22:06.32 | mycae | then you probably want backports. |
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| 22:06.46 | mycae | if you are running a server, mixing packages could be bad, as not all packages check symbols |
| 22:06.57 | mycae | if you get a symbol mismatch, you will end up with random crashes. |
| 22:07.09 | mycae | and it will be a fun time trying to back out why. |
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| 22:08.19 | Accelerator | Ah. Well, say I have a server, which I run a few sites and whatnot on. These sites aren't extremely important. They're more recreational sites and community sites, but obviously I don't want constant downtime. In your opinion, would unstable be safe enough to use, or is it more buggy then it's worth on a production server? |
| 22:08.23 | swe3tdave | hi all, ubuntu member here, but dont worry i use debian on two server so you could say i use debian more than ubuntu... ;) |
| 22:08.42 | mycae | I would not use it on a production server |
| 22:08.47 | mycae | You can recompile the packages yourself however |
| 22:08.49 | mycae | that should be ok |
| 22:09.01 | nsadmin | Accelerator, short answer, you seem to have some conflicting priorities |
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| 22:09.15 | Accelerator | Yeah, that's what I was originally doing, then the Cherokee cocumtantion mentions ways of getting it through apt. Which turned out just to be saying, "use unstable" |
| 22:09.36 | mycae | well, use the unstable packages, then re- dpkg-buildpackage them |
| 22:09.47 | nsadmin | swe3tdave, if the questions pertain to the debians you have installed and not the ubuntu, or debian in general, ask away |
| 22:09.56 | mycae | the problem is you will have to deal with bugs + deps yourself |
| 22:10.00 | mycae | but less so than from raw source. |
| 22:10.12 | swe3tdave | dont have any question just here to see if i can help |
| 22:10.25 | nsadmin | ahh,,, cool |
| 22:11.27 | themill | Accelerator: unstable is definitely not suitable for use on servers. Apart from it being a moving target, it doesn't necessarily have good security support. |
| 22:11.34 | rww | swe3tdave: you're by no means the only ubuntu/member/ in here. no need to worry :P |
| 22:11.53 | swe3tdave | rww, cool.. ;) |
| 22:12.18 | Accelerator | themill: Thanks, all I really needed to hear. I'll just make a custom compile then |
| 22:12.44 | Accelerator | I'm more so just giving Cherokee a "test run" anyways |
| 22:12.57 | nsadmin | you can also try to backport the sid version |
| 22:13.23 | themill | Accelerator: cherokee _appears_ to be a simple enough package to backport, but you still have to track security issues yourself; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:13.26 | nsadmin | which means... getting the debianized source, build the package(s), install |
| 22:13.54 | themill | Accelerator: (of course cherokee is also already in debian stable... there's no need to compile anything unless you really really need a newer version for some reason) |
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| 22:16.49 | lduros | so it's now impossible to have mpeg files and convert them to a dvd format using Debian? I think it requires mpeg2video, which, I read later, is now removed from Debian due to patent risks |
| 22:17.15 | lduros | I'm just curious to know if anybody has an alternative to create dvds in DVD format. Thanks |
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| 22:17.45 | leefan | my screen seems to be glitching up from time to time - like, fonts will change color and buttons will start looking weird |
| 22:18.11 | leefan | is there something wrong with openbox? |
| 22:18.12 | lduros | leefan: mine does the same from time to time. I've learned to live with it, doesn't bother me so much :-) |
| 22:18.36 | leefan | well its a pain when it happens in the middle of development and i suddenly can't see the code i'm trying to write |
| 22:18.40 | fenugreek | lduros: use ffmpeg or transcode |
| 22:19.04 | lduros | fenugreek: but ffmpeg requires mpeg2video, I think |
| 22:19.05 | leefan | like nothing except restarting seems to fix it |
| 22:19.07 | lduros | I'll check. thanks |
| 22:19.09 | fenugreek | lduros: nope |
| 22:19.15 | lduros | ok |
| 22:19.20 | fenugreek | I mean it's possible Debian says it does, but technically it does not |
| 22:19.22 | leefan | and then after a while it starts up again |
| 22:19.32 | fenugreek | I find ffmpeg's MPEG-2 creation superior anyways |
| 22:19.43 | lduros | fenugreek: so once it's converted, I burn the dvd as what? just files? |
| 22:20.12 | fenugreek | lduros: the commandline approach would be to run the output through dvdauthor, then use growisofs to burn the filesystem |
| 22:20.22 | fenugreek | lduros: tovid can streamline this, it even has an optional GUI |
| 22:20.26 | lduros | ok |
| 22:20.38 | lduros | i know growisofs thanks :-) will use it :-) |
| 22:20.38 | lduros | hehe |
| 22:20.47 | fenugreek | I think it uses -ffmpeg (not minus, just ordinary -param) to specify using ffmpeg |
| 22:20.54 | fenugreek | (tovid, that is) |
| 22:21.22 | Blue1 | jelly-home: http://pkill-9.com/install-nvidia-video-driver-debian/ thanks |
| 22:22.08 | swe3tdave | is on ##security, lots of windows guys there, hawfull, very hawfull... |
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| 22:22.31 | jelly-home | Blue1: yeah, that's pretty much what the wiki page could be distilled to for the common case |
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| 22:22.59 | jelly-home | !nickometer swe3tdave |
| 22:23.01 | dpkg | 'swe3tdave' is 22.000% lame, jelly-home |
| 22:23.21 | rww | what. |
| 22:23.33 | rww | !nickometer rww |
| 22:23.33 | jelly-home | it had to be checked |
| 22:23.34 | dpkg | 'rww' is 0.000% lame, rww |
| 22:23.38 | rww | \o/ |
| 22:24.06 | swe3tdave | !nickometer sweetdave |
| 22:24.07 | dpkg | 'sweetdave' is 0.000% lame, swe3tdave |
| 22:24.14 | nsadmin | !nickmeter f03tb441 |
| 22:24.15 | dpkg | f03tb441 is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 22:24.23 | swe3tdave | humm.. this is what i wanted at first, but it was taken.. :P |
| 22:24.26 | nsadmin | WOW! I WIN! |
| 22:24.33 | Blue1 | jelly-home: i try to simplify things - thanks for helping me get there. |
| 22:24.33 | fenugreek | !nickmeter dpkg |
| 22:24.34 | dpkg | dpkg is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 22:24.35 | swe3tdave | lol |
| 22:25.16 | zapadlo | !nickometer zapadlo |
| 22:25.18 | dpkg | 'zapadlo' is 0.000% lame, zapadlo |
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| 22:26.34 | fenugreek | zapadlo: fancy |
| 22:26.42 | swe3tdave | so your only base to see if a nick is lame, is the 3113T stuff? |
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| 22:27.43 | zapadlo | !nickometer 'Hiro Protagonist' |
| 22:27.45 | dpkg | ''Hiro Protagonist'' is 69.000% lame, zapadlo |
| 22:27.54 | fenugreek | !nickometer zapadlo |
| 22:27.55 | dpkg | 'zapadlo' is 0.000% lame, fenugreek |
| 22:28.02 | nsadmin | all are base are belong to soup! |
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| 22:28.57 | themill | enough, guys⦠|
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| 22:37.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have a 1TB network attached hard drive (NAS) and it has a full trivial debian repostory on it. Works perfectly via ftp access with package installs over the command line and synaptic etc. Only thing that it doesnt work with is software-center. It says "Requires installation of untrusted packages" and wont install. Is there any way of telling debian that its ok to install everything found on my repository, in a simple manner? Otherwise |
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| 22:40.21 | fenugreek | have to what... add it to your keyring or something? |
| 22:40.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | fenugreek: Don't know exactly. Thats what Im inquiring about. |
| 22:42.39 | fenugreek | perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository knows |
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| 22:44.01 | fenugreek | or http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_to_tell_apt_what_to_trust |
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| 22:51.09 | hector-d | #flot |
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| 22:52.32 | derric | Why would the snd driver in my system create a /dev/dsp1 intead of a /dev/dsp? |
| 22:53.28 | derric | By default mplayer looks for dsp and reports the file lacks existance. So I symlinked dsp1 to dsp, mplayer is happy. |
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| 23:02.05 | hochron | I want to compile node.js, will the instructions on https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation suffice? |
| 23:02.47 | hochron | just checking cause I dont want to break my box :) |
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| 23:08.38 | swe3tdave | hates dealing with trolls.. (something happenning on another chan.. flushed them...) |
| 23:08.41 | babilen | hochron: That will install it to your home directory and is safe to do. |
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| 23:09.20 | swe3tdave | opps.. wanted to do that in #debian-offtopic sorry |
| 23:09.49 | hochron | ty babilen |
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| 23:19.18 | max_sharpe | installs debian |
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| 23:38.35 | hochron | what do I do to get my $PATH updated? |
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| 23:38.41 | n0sq | i've been trying to get my wifi working with knetworkmanager but i can't get the interface to work with wpa2 - i followed the wiki but it just won't connect to the router |
| 23:38.42 | lupine_85 | /etc/profile |
| 23:38.47 | lupine_85 | or whatever |
| 23:38.48 | hochron | er from .profile |
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| 23:39.16 | lupine_85 | PATH="/my/new/dir:$PATH" |
| 23:39.21 | th0r | hochron: you need to log out and back in to reread .profile |
| 23:39.24 | hochron | I already made an entry but dont want to restart to get it updated |
| 23:39.28 | hochron | ok |
| 23:39.35 | lupine_85 | source .profile ? |
| 23:40.12 | hochron | source ~/.profile? you mean? |
| 23:40.41 | hochron | ok, ty |
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| 23:41.43 | RainbowW | i'm getting errors on drive ata9. is there a way to figure out which drive ata9 actually is? |
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| 23:43.31 | eflynn | Why do I get this message on bootup? ".udev/ already exists on the static /dev" |
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| 23:47.06 | n0sq | does debian have a problem with eth1 as the wireless interface? or does it look for wlan1? i wouldn't think it would make a difference but....... |
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| 23:48.46 | nsadmin | n0sq, I have eth1 as my wireless interface |
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| 23:49.13 | nsadmin | and it's working as long as I do everything from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:49.41 | nsadmin | but I guess I still have to do some work to get nm going |
| 23:51.10 | n0sq | i just got it working. i told knetworkmanager to bring up the connection automatically but it wouldn't do it. then i executed iwconfig eth1 essid whereami and voila it came up |
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| 23:52.23 | nsadmin | so that's one step under the hood from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:52.51 | derric | I have two sound devices on my machine, an onboard audio codec and a usb audio codec. I've included drivers modules for both in the kernel. |
| 23:53.53 | n0sq | nsadmin: the wiki says not to refernce the interface in /etc/network/interfaces when using knetworkmanager (or when using the gnome manager) |
| 23:54.20 | derric | Now I'm guessing that because I have two sound devices, that the onboard dev gets recognized and assigned /dev/dsp0, and the usb sound codec gets recognized and used as /dev/dsp1. |
| 23:54.32 | n0sq | not sure if i have the confidence to convert my server box to debian yet |
| 23:54.37 | nsadmin | yeah, atm I have mine commented out |
| 23:54.45 | derric | Mplayer looks for /dev/dsp, So... I am wonder what is the best thing to do. |
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| 23:55.23 | nsadmin | derric du u have /proc/asound/cards |
| 23:55.32 | n0sq | i had issues with converting a laptop from mandriva to debian - kde issues when using the migration wizard |
| 23:55.48 | derric | I could write a shell script that upon login checks for either dev and sym links the present one to /dev/dsp or just the /dev/dsp0 to /dev/dsp if both are present. |
| 23:55.52 | n0sq | not to mention the wireless issue |
| 23:56.09 | derric | mostly I understand that udev is suppose to handle this kind of thing. |
| 23:56.40 | n0sq | that was my old inspiron 600m |
| 23:57.04 | derric | So I gues the real question is would a udev rule or a shell script be better. |
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| 23:57.25 | n0sq | just got a new xps15 preloaded with win7 that he plans to convert to linux and run win 7 as a guest OS in a VM |
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| 23:57.56 | n0sq | too back they didn't include a reinstallation disk with the xps15 |
| 23:58.46 | TXX_ | ! |
| 23:58.50 | TXX_ | i fix'ed it! |
| 23:58.56 | TXX_ | the faulty win install |
| 23:59.08 | TXX_ | had to fucking dd the enc parts to a storage device |
| 23:59.13 | TXX_ | gonna dd them back tomorrow |
| 23:59.14 | TXX_ | *sigh* |
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