| 00:00.29 | Iridos | Bushmills, there's no picture! |
| 00:00.56 | Iridos | well, there is, but not of a sweater |
| 00:01.39 | ricardo6789 | The GRUB error is strange because I believe the GRUB should be installed in /dev/md0 instead of /dev/sda |
| 00:02.22 | ranix | one would install grub in /dev/sda and in /dev/sdb |
| 00:02.30 | ranix | and one would use raid1 for /boot |
| 00:02.33 | Bushmills | Iridos: http://www.bloomsburgcarpet.com/files/imagecache/product_full/products/MorseCode%20V1281~12Honey.jpg |
| 00:02.53 | Iridos | Bushmills, hehe |
| 00:02.54 | ranix | /dev/md0 represents a partition on the drives |
| 00:03.08 | ranix | you don't usually install grub in a partition, you install it in the mbr |
| 00:03.08 | MeglaW | i cant find help anyway, i dont get were the problem is. one of my ports look closed |
| 00:04.10 | Iridos | NOT a sweater, though |
| 00:04.12 | Iridos | but no sweat |
| 00:04.30 | Bushmills | as said, i prefer socks. less incentive to examine. |
| 00:04.42 | ricardo6789 | Can I specify two partitions to have the /boot in the installation? Will the Debian installer install GRUB in both partitions/HD's ? |
| 00:04.53 | ranix | Bushmills, Iridos; my fault for starting this, you should move to #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:05.34 | Bushmills | i think we can agree on it being your fault |
| 00:05.36 | ranix | ricardo6789: you should install grub in the MBR during installation. You should create 2 MD raid partition sets - one for /boot and one for / (if you're doing the keep everything in one partition thing) |
| 00:05.59 | nusi | and an /altroot |
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| 00:06.07 | ranix | ricardo6789: some grub files live in /boot but grub itself is executable code that resides in the MBR |
| 00:06.07 | Iridos | right... no objections... also, I think we exhausted the topic anyway |
| 00:06.21 | nusi | I never understood how to do RAID1 right with GRUB and /boot |
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| 00:06.57 | ranix | you just install grub manually to the mbr of the second disk after install |
| 00:06.57 | Kevin` | cryptopsy: you just need to get better at asking questions? it's very important? |
| 00:07.03 | ranix | so like grub-install /dev/sd1 |
| 00:07.13 | ranix | or sda sdb whatever |
| 00:07.32 | ranix | you'll usually just boot off the first disk |
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| 00:07.51 | Iridos | and it doesn't make a lot of sense to have /boot on a raid |
| 00:08.49 | kabars_edge | it makes perfect sense to have /boot on raid, /boot is where your kernels live, not your bootloader, your bootloader lives in the MBR on both disks. |
| 00:08.52 | ranix | yeah it does, to synchronize both disks so they are interchangeable |
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| 00:09.29 | Iridos | mabbe |
| 00:09.31 | nusi | kabars_edge: but I have to have /boot on a non-raid partition or else it wont read initrd right? |
| 00:09.37 | nusi | or does GRUB have magic |
| 00:09.38 | Iridos | not to boot from mdX, though |
| 00:09.40 | ranix | raid1 doesn't matter |
| 00:09.44 | ranix | for init |
| 00:09.50 | nusi | mmmmmm |
| 00:09.52 | simonlnu | ranix: it means 'toilet' |
| 00:10.05 | ranix | you keep saying that |
| 00:10.08 | ranix | I don't know what you mean |
| 00:11.02 | kabars_edge | nusi: trust me, if you're running raid 1, you need to have your /boot on both disks |
| 00:11.52 | ricardo6789 | Iridos: To my appear more easy to have /boot in RAID1. Supposing that one HD "burn/break" so it will be necessary to init the system only with the second HD. |
| 00:12.35 | ranix | I agree with you ricardo6789 |
| 00:12.40 | ricardo6789 | Ranix: I'll need update the grub always in both HD's? There's any way to automatize this process? |
| 00:12.43 | nusi | kabars_edge: I understand this |
| 00:12.52 | ranix | ricardo6789: there really is only one grub |
| 00:13.03 | nusi | but can I boot directly from a RAID/md volume |
| 00:13.23 | ranix | ricardo6789: it's not updated frequently (or at all as far as I know) |
| 00:13.33 | kabars_edge | nusi: from a RAID 1 volume, absolutely |
| 00:13.41 | nusi | kabars_edge: Okay then. :D |
| 00:13.57 | ranix | ricardo6789: changes to the boot process will be written to /boot. GRUB itself is just the binary blob that bootstraps your system and injects the kernel |
| 00:13.57 | kabars_edge | be sure to install grub directly to the mbr thought |
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| 00:14.45 | kabars_edge | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 00:14.45 | kabars_edge | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 00:15.37 | ranix | kabars_edge: dd bs=446 count=1 |
| 00:16.03 | ranix | if you copy more than 446 bytes you will hose the partition tables |
| 00:16.12 | freebird_2 | hey people |
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| 00:18.56 | kabars_edge | ranix: you're not installing the entire boot load there |
| 00:20.03 | ranix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 00:20.05 | ranix | read up son |
| 00:20.42 | ranix | I think actually you'd want to only do the first 440 bytes |
| 00:20.45 | ranix | and 446 is wrong |
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| 00:21.00 | ranix | unsure though |
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| 00:21.17 | ranix | 446 seems to work so anecdotally that's what you want |
| 00:23.19 | kabars_edge | ranix: first of all, don't call me son, I'm probably older than you, I've been doing this for 15 years, you install grub boot loader to the mbr, then you copy it to the other mbr, here is a walk through for you, son |
| 00:23.20 | kabars_edge | http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.boot-raid-squeeze&l=it |
| 00:24.56 | kabars_edge | nusi: you should look at that walk through, it will give you directions step by step how to set your system the way you are trying to |
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| 00:25.37 | ranix | kabars_edge: apparently you don't know how to read documentation or use dd so you can indeed be my son |
| 00:26.07 | ranix | I just linked you to a website that explicitly explains the contents of an MBR in byte level detail |
| 00:26.11 | ranix | and you're telling me I'm wrong |
| 00:26.32 | ranix | you don't want to copy the entire MBR just grub |
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| 00:27.40 | kabars_edge | ranix: I can read documentation just fine, and I've set up two Debian squeeze boxes in the last, and you're right, you only copy grub, I'm not running a kindergarten, I'm giving game highlights |
| 00:28.02 | kabars_edge | so I'm not going to spell out every little detail |
| 00:28.17 | ranix | well then don't tell new users to blaze their partition tables |
| 00:29.46 | kabars_edge | hence, why I posted the walk through |
| 00:29.56 | kabars_edge | for the hand holding |
| 00:30.21 | ranix | 17:14 < kabars_edge> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 00:30.28 | ranix | that's bad advice no matter how you look at it |
| 00:30.45 | ranix | that's gonna produce no output as a user is writing one hard drive clean over another for hours |
| 00:31.35 | kabars_edge | once again, why I posted the walk through, or maybe you just can't follow |
| 00:31.43 | ranix | and considering md can do raid1 on non-identical disks it could easily leave you with a broken system |
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| 00:31.55 | ranix | expect to get called out in #debian when you post a command that can kill a machine |
| 00:32.03 | ranix | don't be so offended dogg |
| 00:32.40 | nusi | kabars_edge: thanks |
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| 00:34.07 | cryptopsy | Kevin`: i saw it mentioned in a blog about unix servers not offering SSH but offering FTP, which the password is not encrypted in FTP |
| 00:34.23 | kabars_edge | again, don't insult me by using pet names, dogg, and again, don't step to something you don't have the chops to handle |
| 00:34.31 | kabars_edge | nusi: you're very welcome |
| 00:34.35 | cryptopsy | SFTP uses SSH to establish the connection, but transfer via FTP |
| 00:34.36 | catsup | rofl |
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| 00:34.44 | nusi | kabars_edge: So how many disks do you want for a file server setup? I'm thinking two for RAID1, one for hot spare, one for hot backup, one for regular backup, one offline backup, and one off site backup. |
| 00:34.47 | Kevin` | cryptopsy: that's wrong though. |
| 00:34.52 | Kevin` | cryptopsy: sftp doesn't use ftp |
| 00:34.54 | cryptopsy | then he mentioned thoes FTP variations, which i didn't understand the difference |
| 00:35.06 | cryptopsy | Kevin`: can you prove it? |
| 00:35.17 | kabars_edge | nusi: when you say disks, do you mean physical disks? |
| 00:35.22 | nusi | kabars_edge: Yes. |
| 00:35.23 | ranix | drr |
| 00:35.31 | Kevin` | cryptopsy: believe what you want. you insulted me too much to actually look up information for you] |
| 00:35.40 | Kevin` | cryptopsy: read the source? :) |
| 00:36.17 | nusi | kabars_edge: Also, maybe a special disk for MBRs and inode info |
| 00:36.39 | nusi | so why is everyone mad at everyone here now |
| 00:36.57 | nusi | I saw less antagonistic behavior in #OpenBSD for the months I was there |
| 00:37.11 | nusi | Then again, they don't bother to help unless you have a patch ready |
| 00:37.46 | nusi | catsup: Cat Soup? |
| 00:38.03 | simonlnu | catsup is ketchup... |
| 00:38.17 | nusi | I thought that was ketsup |
| 00:38.27 | ranix | you thought wrong, son! |
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| 00:40.48 | kabars_edge | nusi: the policy I set in my shop is that we order all of our servers with 3 HDDs, two to set up for RAID 1, one hot spare. However, we don't store any files on our servers. We have a NetApps FAS 3200 where we store all of our NFS exports. Are you going to be storing files on this server directly? |
| 00:40.59 | nusi | What do you guys think of this TLD: http://www.dotfree.com/ |
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| 00:41.19 | nusi | kabars_edge: yes, it is to be a file server. |
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| 00:41.41 | vsg | hello |
| 00:41.42 | nusi | kabars_edge: sftp access and afs exports(I don't really want to play with NFS I hear it is... difficult) |
| 00:42.06 | kabars_edge | nusi: how many hdd bays do you have on it? |
| 00:42.14 | nusi | Also you seem to have some serious hardware. The disks I'm getting would be 7200RPM SATAII's from Newegg. |
| 00:42.25 | nusi | kabars_edge: About 6. |
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| 00:43.09 | vsg | I have the following question I am trying to install debian, but no Display on the server machine and I have no IP assigned just Old Vista leftover how can I install the debian via network the server is connected to my laptop |
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| 00:43.18 | nusi | kabars_edge: Exactly six. |
| 00:44.18 | vsg | any help?> |
| 00:44.22 | vsg | is this possible> |
| 00:44.31 | WormFood | vsg, I don't quite understand your question. Can you try to rephrase it please? |
| 00:44.44 | WormFood | you want to install debian over the network? |
| 00:44.53 | ranix | vsg: if your machine supports console output redirection in the bios you could do it this way |
| 00:45.04 | ranix | vsg: via the serial port |
| 00:45.25 | nusi | kabars_edge: It can hardly be considered serious - but the experience in administrating it might be nice to put on a piece of paper a potential employer might read. But by non-serious I mean... I'm pretty much just trying to setup a sharing thing with other folks with cobbled together 1mbit uplinks. |
| 00:45.28 | vsg | no serial port |
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| 00:45.58 | ranix | you're gonna need a display then |
| 00:46.07 | kabars_edge | nusi: what I would suggest is for you to do a two RAID 1 arrays, 1 for the OS, 1 for the file server, one hot spare for each array, and that would allow you to complete redundancy |
| 00:46.14 | vsg | WormFood I have latop and another PC both connected via CAT5 cable I want to install debian on the remote machine |
| 00:46.56 | kabars_edge | vsg: without a console point or a monitor/keyboard, there is no way to install an operating system |
| 00:47.19 | naiv | I'm having a problem with an apt upgrade, I have a encryted fs and tune2fs can't write the new UUID, it says « tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block», I tried to losetup or mount it before, but it's still the same. Any idea ? |
| 00:47.21 | vsg | i have mouse and kbd |
| 00:47.27 | WormFood | and the remote machine has no form of display? |
| 00:47.39 | vsg | no display |
| 00:48.08 | catsup | kabars_edge: you mean separate disks for OS and served files?? |
| 00:48.10 | WormFood | you'll need some way to control it |
| 00:48.17 | vsg | k 10x |
| 00:48.23 | nusi | kabars_edge: Interesting. I'd order the disks from different vendors(There are three distinct ones now), 3 of them for each array, and have about four controllers, two for each array. |
| 00:48.33 | nusi | I might just do IDE/SATA->CF for the OS then. |
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| 00:48.57 | WormFood | since strictly speaking you don't need the display to install it....IF you know EXACTLY what keys to press...and since the install can vary, depending on your hardware/network, that will be extremely tricky at best. |
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| 00:49.32 | WormFood | without some way to display what the computer is doing, you're pretty screwed, unless you're very lucky....everything everyone else said on the subject is accurate. |
| 00:49.50 | simonlnu | !ssh install |
| 00:49.50 | dpkg | hmm... ssh install is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
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| 00:50.24 | ranix | you could yank the drive and drbootstrap it vsg |
| 00:50.32 | kabars_edge | catsup: yes, I always segregate exported files from the OS. |
| 00:50.35 | nusi | kabars_edge: Is there anything special in the Debian ecosystem for fileserver/RAID stuff I might want to be aware of? I don't want to sit down at a CentOS box and be confused. Note, I wouldn't want to have d-i do all of this for me. |
| 00:50.35 | ranix | there's a pretty good guide on debootstrap out there |
| 00:50.40 | WormFood | there are a lot of different options for you |
| 00:51.13 | Svetlio | WormFood what is he saying is that he got a server with no OS installed on it and he got it connected to an PC with CAT5 cable. The problem is that he haven't assign an IP address for the server. So is it possible to install debian on the server machine (which doesn't have the monitor and keyboard) trough the PC machine which does have a monitor and keyboard |
| 00:51.49 | ranix | well not impossible, but it's an "if you have to ask, you can't" problem |
| 00:52.10 | WormFood | I gotta agree with ranix on that one |
| 00:52.18 | Svetlio | thank you guys : - ) |
| 00:52.51 | WormFood | Svetlio, you'll spend more time trying to work around the lack of a monitor, than you'd spend just to borrow a monitor |
| 00:53.06 | WormFood | er, that wasn't directed at you, you know who that was for ;) |
| 00:53.24 | kabars_edge | nusi: from a fresh build, the RAID setups in Debian and CentOS/RHEL are almost identical, however, know that the differences between Debian and CentOS/RHEL can become exponential depending on what you are doing. For example, RHEL supports the fake raid that comes in most low end servers and desktop PC's, but Debian does not, cannot because the drivers to support that are completely closed source |
| 00:53.35 | Svetlio | yep, don't worry : - ), he started moving around his PC and he'll connect a monitor and keyboard to the server |
| 00:53.48 | vsg | 10x |
| 00:54.10 | ranix | !fakeraid |
| 00:54.10 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 00:54.19 | nusi | kabars_edge: I don't understand the fake-raid included with the disk controllers. I thought it was just a feature thing for Windows that was basically a dongle for the drivers to drive sales. |
| 00:54.21 | ranix | there's no reason to use fakeraid over md |
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| 00:55.02 | nusi | dmraid? Is that a way to drive real hardware raid controllers? |
| 00:55.15 | WormFood | the fakeraid is just more bullshit to try to sell you garbage....like "digial zoom" on cameras...totally worthless |
| 00:55.29 | kabars_edge | nusi: You're right, it WAS just a windows thing, but RedHat adopted it because all low-end Dell server have the S100/S300 "RAID" controllers, which are worthless |
| 00:55.46 | nusi | Oh well. |
| 00:56.26 | WormFood | the only thing the fakeraid does, is allow the system to understand software raid at the bios level....allowing you to boot from a complete raid setup, instead of having an un-raided boot partition. |
| 00:56.30 | kabars_edge | nusi: but Debian won't even install on those servers with the S100/S300 PERC controllers because there is no way to disable them and Debian can't see the HDDs |
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| 00:56.48 | kabars_edge | wormfood: Exactly |
| 00:56.48 | mongrol | hello folks, I could do with a spot of help |
| 00:56.53 | nusi | WormFood: kabars_edge explained to me you could boot from a raided(raid1) boot partition though on x86 |
| 00:57.05 | kabars_edge | mongrol: then put it out there and we'll do what we can |
| 00:57.21 | mongrol | I've b0rked my dpkg in some way. It says dpkg is partially installed |
| 00:57.22 | kabars_edge | you can nusi |
| 00:57.45 | ranix | raid1 is non-striped, each disk is identical to what the disk would be like if you were only using 1 |
| 00:57.50 | WormFood | nusi, yeah, it can be done, but I'm not sure exactly how to do it. I have a raid 1 at home on my server in usa...and one of the drives failed, but it is still running....but I was lucky, and my boot drive didn't fail |
| 00:57.51 | pipeline | kabars_edge: S300 is a standalone card. You can pull the card. If you call Dell support and complain, they will then send you cut-to-fit cables in order to repurpose the onboard SATA to HDD use |
| 00:57.52 | ranix | that's the entire point of raid1 |
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| 00:58.08 | WormFood | raid1 is also commonly known as a "mirror" |
| 00:58.11 | mongrol | and if I try and reconfigure (itself) I get dpkg-query: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 25046 package 'libpam-runtime': |
| 00:58.32 | WormFood | and the most reliable setup you can have, is a 4 drive raid1....want you data to last for 10 years....that is what you want...4 drive raid 1 |
| 00:58.38 | nusi | kabars_edge: A person came in with an issue of not being able to see his HDDs, maybe that was the problem. |
| 00:58.52 | nusi | You can do >2disk raid 1?? |
| 00:58.57 | nusi | I mean, not counting spares |
| 00:59.00 | simonlnu | yes |
| 00:59.02 | nusi | D: |
| 00:59.16 | WormFood | the more drives you use on a raid 5 setup, the more likely you are to have a catastrophic failure |
| 00:59.25 | kabars_edge | pipeline: I know this, but I appreciate the sharing of info anyway, however, that's a lot of hassle to get a brand new server up and running, I just order all of mine with the H700 cards now |
| 00:59.50 | mongrol | man dpkg |
| 00:59.52 | mongrol | oops |
| 01:00.02 | nusi | kabars_edge: Why order from Dell? |
| 01:00.05 | WormFood | writing to raid 1 is slower, but reading can be much faster, because it can get the data from any one of 4 channels....but to write, it has to write to 4 channels (on a 4 drive raid 1) |
| 01:00.21 | kabars_edge | nusi: because the federal government has a contract with them and they give us wicked discounts |
| 01:00.22 | WormFood | nusi, because IBM is too expensive? Some people think dells are good |
| 01:00.28 | nusi | Are there others who sell 1U/2U x86 servers that are reputable/cost-effective? |
| 01:00.38 | kabars_edge | nusi: HP |
| 01:00.39 | nusi | IBM is mainframe stuff though |
| 01:00.45 | nusi | OS/360? |
| 01:00.51 | nusi | kabars_edge: Okay. |
| 01:01.08 | kabars_edge | now that HP is matching Dell prices we are ordering most of our new servers from them |
| 01:01.10 | nusi | kabars_edge: Would there be any situation in which a group of IT guys would roll their own? |
| 01:01.22 | kabars_edge | roll their own? |
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| 01:01.27 | nusi | kabars_edge: You work for the US fed? or a sub contractor? |
| 01:01.34 | kabars_edge | US Fed |
| 01:01.35 | nusi | kabars_edge: Build their own server from parts |
| 01:01.57 | WormFood | I had a dell workstation at my customers....I was curious to see what CPU was in it, so I popped off the heatsink....the fucktards (Dell) still had the protective sheet over the heat transfer goo on the heatsink, causing the machine to overheat. |
| 01:02.03 | kabars_edge | nusi: for the amount of money it would cost to piece meal a mid-level server, it's much cheaper to just order it |
| 01:02.04 | nusi | Supermicro, Tyan, all parts chosen individually and assembled by the administrator |
| 01:02.13 | WormFood | yes! Tyan! |
| 01:02.20 | nusi | Why Tyan? |
| 01:02.26 | Vutral | tyan is nice |
| 01:02.31 | WormFood | A lot of people don't know that name, but they make one of the best server boards you can get |
| 01:02.39 | Vutral | because of what they put together |
| 01:02.50 | nusi | I know that name because their board seems to keep running even though my cat.. "sprayed" it |
| 01:02.55 | Vutral | hhr |
| 01:02.59 | kabars_edge | I have a whitebox server that has a Tyan board in it |
| 01:03.01 | nusi | and in high humidity all the time |
| 01:03.04 | nusi | whitebox servers |
| 01:03.08 | nusi | no support contract |
| 01:03.09 | Vutral | my tyan board was under water |
| 01:03.14 | Vutral | 4 days |
| 01:03.14 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 01:03.16 | Vutral | and still works |
| 01:03.20 | kabars_edge | whitebox - generic, no specific manufacturer |
| 01:03.24 | Vutral | and it wasnt powered down |
| 01:03.25 | nusi | yes |
| 01:03.26 | Vutral | lol |
| 01:03.42 | nusi | I like my machines with no logos and free licenses on the firmware |
| 01:03.47 | WormFood | I found a dual CPU Tyan server motherboard for under $200 USD (closer to $150 usd) |
| 01:03.56 | Vutral | usually the contacts corrode very rapid |
| 01:04.12 | kabars_edge | I'm actually spec'ing 4 new servers right at this moment to consolidate our Oracle infrastructure |
| 01:04.15 | WormFood | how was it under water for 4 days, and still run? |
| 01:04.24 | kabars_edge | dual proc, quad core, 64 GB ram |
| 01:04.28 | Vutral | yeah |
| 01:04.30 | Vutral | rain |
| 01:04.33 | Vutral | too much rain over paradise |
| 01:04.33 | WormFood | most electronics don't like most water....was it purified water or something? |
| 01:04.38 | Vutral | 2 meter high the water stand here |
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| 01:04.42 | Vutral | in the racks |
| 01:04.42 | WormFood | wow! |
| 01:04.44 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 01:04.52 | WormFood | how many machines survived? |
| 01:04.58 | Vutral | its the only board which survivedthe depth |
| 01:05.02 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 01:05.07 | WormFood | I'm not surprised |
| 01:05.08 | Vutral | well two survived |
| 01:05.17 | Vutral | one asustek and a tyan |
| 01:05.30 | Vutral | there was mud in the water |
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| 01:05.42 | Vutral | because a massive steel door broke |
| 01:05.45 | Vutral | llol |
| 01:05.46 | WormFood | your stories of how well they survive abuse, just reinforces my preference for them |
| 01:05.48 | Vutral | i was standing behind the door |
| 01:05.54 | WormFood | ouch |
| 01:05.54 | Vutral | when it broke |
| 01:05.56 | WormFood | was it fun? |
| 01:06.03 | WormFood | was it like an amusement park ride? ;) |
| 01:06.06 | Vutral | well i got many cuts and so |
| 01:06.15 | Vutral | because many hundred liters of water |
| 01:06.17 | WormFood | sounds like it wasn't so fun |
| 01:06.17 | Vutral | flooded in |
| 01:06.21 | Vutral | lol |
| 01:06.29 | Vutral | not really |
| 01:06.31 | Vutral | the hardest pain is the data loss |
| 01:06.33 | Vutral | with the harddrivves |
| 01:06.36 | WormFood | many people underestimate the destructive power of water. |
| 01:06.51 | Vutral | well |
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| 01:06.56 | WormFood | yeah. Some of that data will never be recovered |
| 01:07.01 | Vutral | i spanned cables |
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| 01:07.15 | WormFood | that is exactly why you want off-site backups |
| 01:07.16 | Vutral | through the room |
| 01:07.18 | kabars_edge | anyone running multiple instances of Oracle 11G? |
| 01:07.19 | Vutral | which stabalized the stuff |
| 01:07.24 | Vutral | lol |
| 01:07.35 | nusi | Oracle's custom kernel? |
| 01:07.36 | Vutral | i got a 10 centimeter deep deformation |
| 01:07.37 | Vutral | in a rack side wall |
| 01:07.46 | Vutral | if i was there |
| 01:07.48 | Vutral | i would be dead |
| 01:07.52 | Vutral | but the network cables bundled the stuff |
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| 01:07.58 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 01:08.01 | WormFood | I gotta get going. It is after 9am here, and I need to have 2 meetings this morning |
| 01:08.11 | Vutral | k |
| 01:08.13 | WormFood | wow, you got lucky |
| 01:08.30 | Vutral | yeah |
| 01:08.31 | WormFood | well, I hope you didn't get too much damage out of it |
| 01:08.41 | Vutral | be carefull if you add something to make it release if load comes on the cable |
| 01:08.41 | WormFood | it was nice to chat with you Vutral, see ya l8r åè§ |
| 01:08.46 | Vutral | insurance didnt pay |
| 01:08.57 | Vutral | cu later |
| 01:08.57 | WormFood | why didn't insurance pay? |
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| 01:09.18 | Vutral | elementary damage |
| 01:09.24 | Vutral | rain |
| 01:09.26 | Vutral | its another police |
| 01:09.32 | Vutral | and here is no river and so |
| 01:09.35 | Vutral | so i didnt get the police |
| 01:09.48 | Vutral | policy |
| 01:09.57 | WormFood | bummer |
| 01:10.03 | Vutral | yeah |
| 01:10.03 | WormFood | shit happens |
| 01:10.13 | WormFood | still, I'm sure it was totally unexpected. |
| 01:10.14 | Vutral | 13 years it didnt happen |
| 01:10.15 | Vutral | then one day |
| 01:10.18 | Vutral | 2 hours |
| 01:10.19 | Vutral | rain |
| 01:10.27 | Vutral | it hapens |
| 01:10.37 | Vutral | yeah |
| 01:10.48 | Vutral | well now i got policy |
| 01:10.52 | Vutral | if a vulcano will come here |
| 01:10.57 | Vutral | they pay |
| 01:11.09 | WormFood | I remember it flooded once where I lived in Florida...not too bad, but a few houses were damaged....didn't get to my house, I was up on a hill |
| 01:11.10 | Vutral | if i survive at least |
| 01:11.18 | Vutral | lol |
| 01:11.29 | Vutral | yeah |
| 01:11.34 | Vutral | i am one a hill too |
| 01:11.38 | WormFood | that is the nature of insurance....it is a gamble....they take in money for 13 years, and then all of a sudden, like the flood, they have a flood of payouts |
| 01:11.39 | Vutral | but when ther eis too much rain |
| 01:11.44 | Vutral | it seems it can still flood you |
| 01:11.57 | Vutral | well they paid 500 bucks |
| 01:12.07 | Vutral | for the ice damage |
| 01:12.10 | Vutral | lol |
| 01:12.26 | WormFood | I live at the bottom of a mountain, next to the ocean....if we get that much rain, I'm probably pretty well screwed (even tho I'm on the 6th floor) |
| 01:12.29 | Vutral | but damage was many 10k |
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| 01:12.43 | Vutral | yeah |
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| 01:13.00 | Vutral | well you have seen japan |
| 01:13.00 | Vutral | thats worst case |
| 01:13.11 | nusi | what is with all these ellipsis all over my screen Mr. WormFood |
| 01:13.14 | nusi | IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME |
| 01:13.35 | Vutral | lol |
| 01:13.42 | kabars_edge | nusi: XD |
| 01:14.14 | Vutral | where is mrs.wormfood |
| 01:14.20 | WormFood | it is my real name...at least that is what I'm listed as in the phone book |
| 01:14.23 | WormFood | she is at work |
| 01:14.39 | Vutral | ah |
| 01:15.01 | Vutral | its a cool name |
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| 01:15.52 | WormFood | I've used this name since the late 1980s...it was the node name for my machine |
| 01:16.13 | WormFood | I've been using as my nick ever since I've been on IRC in 1994 |
| 01:16.34 | Vutral | ic |
| 01:16.41 | opakavic | we too c |
| 01:17.04 | Vutral | ic++ |
| 01:17.12 | opakavic | nick is unusual |
| 01:17.29 | WormFood | yeah, that is one of the things I like about it ;) |
| 01:17.37 | Vutral | not really |
| 01:17.39 | Vutral | :D |
| 01:17.42 | Vutral | there are many strangenames |
| 01:17.44 | opakavic | haha |
| 01:17.54 | WormFood | it is an 8 letter (or less) word that means "6 feet under" |
| 01:18.08 | Vutral | mhm |
| 01:18.12 | opakavic | Vutral, yes there are many other strange names , but they don't mean anything ! |
| 01:19.07 | WormFood | yeah, there is a story behind my nick...and even tho I've said what appears to be an obvious meaning, it really means something else. |
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| 01:19.53 | Vutral | i think i will call my next box |
| 01:20.03 | Vutral | leadduck |
| 01:20.52 | WormFood | and what about clever names within hexidecimal numbers? Like BEEFFACEBABEBAAD |
| 01:21.22 | WormFood | or DEADBEEFFACEBAAD |
| 01:21.45 | Vutral | because it doesnt swim |
| 01:21.58 | WormFood | hah...good one |
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| 01:22.11 | nusi | everyone is going to have a 14 character name which is a truncated hash of their current one starting on May 1st 2011 for freenode |
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| 01:23.06 | tw | I'm trying to get php running in an alias directory under apache2 but it makes the php files download instead of process. How do I fix that? http://codepad.org/NbOfiYCR |
| 01:23.15 | WormFood | ok nusi, if you say so....or should I start calling you "e3bda8ae87caef" now? |
| 01:23.26 | WormFood | tw, enable php |
| 01:23.27 | nusi | well let me change my highlights |
| 01:23.29 | Vutral | doesnt wormfood mean food for the computer worms |
| 01:23.45 | nusi | why do people write cgi scripts in php instead of C |
| 01:23.53 | WormFood | tw, /etc/apache2/modules-availabe and modules-enabled...or something close to that |
| 01:24.00 | tw | WormFood: How do I do that per-directory? Because it works just fine under /var/www, just not where I want it. |
| 01:24.03 | WormFood | nusi, for different reasons |
| 01:24.14 | kabars_edge | actually, aren't a lot of cgi scripts now just Java calls? |
| 01:24.21 | tw | It's symlinked in mod-enabled already. |
| 01:25.29 | nusi | what commands can i issue to the freenode ircd to find out the current user population across all servers |
| 01:25.45 | WormFood | tw, you probably either A) turned it off somewhere, or perhaps turned it on for that specific config, or B) don't have the extension registered (or overridden) for php files |
| 01:25.46 | kabars_edge | nusi: are you trying to take freenode down? |
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| 01:26.18 | nusi | kabars_edge: What? No, I'm trying to find out how many chars would be needed to allow for everyone to have a hexadecimal nicname |
| 01:26.42 | Seppoz | please, in which package i would find the firmware fo the rt28xxusb and equivalent realtec and other wifi usb keys? |
| 01:26.46 | nusi | If I was trying to take freenode down I'd... spend some years reading and writing stuff |
| 01:27.08 | nusi | I'm too lazy to extract nude pictures off my friend's phone sitting right here |
| 01:27.19 | nusi | (he isn't around) |
| 01:27.26 | nusi | n00ds |
| 01:27.29 | nusi | of girls |
| 01:27.32 | Vutral | apt-get install worm ( worm depends on wormfood ) |
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| 01:27.56 | nusi | --- There are 338 users and 61744 invisible on 29 servers |
| 01:28.04 | nusi | I only know this from looking at my connect log. |
| 01:28.18 | craigevil | Seppoz, firmware-realtek |
| 01:28.44 | nsadmin2 | nusi, do yourself a favor and go talk to girls if that |
| 01:28.49 | nsadmin2 | is what you want |
| 01:29.01 | Seppoz | craigevil please is that one gripped? |
| 01:29.33 | nusi | nsadmin2: no i'm just saying that if you could just plug in a device and cp naked pictures that is pretty easy to do and possibly worthwhile. But I'm too lazy to do that so do you expect me to try and take down freenode |
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| 01:29.38 | nusi | IIRC that has happened a couple times before |
| 01:29.49 | Vutral | BABEDADBEEFFACE |
| 01:29.59 | WormFood | nusi, yeah, but taking down freenode is easier than copying pictures ;) |
| 01:30.07 | Vutral | BADBABE ^^ |
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| 01:30.08 | nusi | WormFood: Really? |
| 01:30.26 | WormFood | I was being a little sarcastic there ;) |
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| 01:30.36 | nsadmin2 | personally I don't care whether you do or not |
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| 01:31.04 | nusi | nsadmin2: be honest, do you want these photos or not |
| 01:31.10 | nusi | i think you might :> |
| 01:31.31 | nsadmin2 | I want girls not pictures |
| 01:31.52 | nusi | i've done that |
| 01:31.57 | WormFood | nusi, http://wormfood.net/pictures/potato_chips.jpg <-- my roommate/ex-gf (this is as close as a naked pic of her that I'll put online) |
| 01:31.58 | nusi | it usually involves me not idling on irc |
| 01:32.06 | Seppoz | or is there any emdebian equivalent to firmware-realtek |
| 01:32.16 | nusi | you even have your own domain name and match your nicks to it |
| 01:32.19 | WormFood | nusi, if you can't get girls on irc, then you're not doing it right! |
| 01:32.27 | Vutral | BEEFDAD tries to connected to BADBABE |
| 01:32.31 | nusi | WormFood: what if you registered wormfood.net and found out that someone registered the nick on freenode |
| 01:32.35 | nusi | i'd be sad |
| 01:32.38 | Vutral | lol |
| 01:32.42 | WormFood | I had the name on irc for longer |
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| 01:32.47 | nsadmin2 | if you go to clubs or wherever and approach 1000 girls, you'll learn things about yourself |
| 01:32.49 | nusi | WormFood: They seem to be on facebook/msn/aim |
| 01:32.55 | WormFood | I was lazy to register the .com, thinking *nobody else* could possibly use it |
| 01:32.59 | nusi | nsadmin2: What are you meaning? |
| 01:33.03 | suicidolt | can anyone help me with a debian install? I'm struggling |
| 01:33.10 | WormFood | I intentionally didn't get an account on facebook/msn/aim |
| 01:33.20 | nusi | 1000 girls at a club? That is like 1/50th of my city |
| 01:33.33 | nsadmin2 | suicidolt, what has you struggling |
| 01:33.41 | WormFood | but I did grab this nick on skype (which everyone pronounces as "sky-pee" where I live) |
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| 01:34.17 | nusi | doesn't think nsadmin2 is happy |
| 01:34.30 | WormFood | now here is something "odd"...I live in China, and you hear how China has more men than women, right? The city I live in has more women than men....I've heard 2X to 4X more women here |
| 01:35.04 | kabars_edge | Wormfood: what city? |
| 01:35.05 | suicidolt | nsadmin2 I can't seem to build a bootable usb. My iso is good, I tested it in VirtualBox, and my usb is good, as it boots fine with ubuntu, but the "startup disk creator" errors when creating bootable usb with the debian ISO and unetbootin doesn't result in it booting |
| 01:35.06 | WormFood | it is nice, because you can have 2 or 3 girlfriends at the same time (if that is nice) |
| 01:35.12 | WormFood | kabars_edge, æ·±å³ |
| 01:35.25 | nsadmin2 | how large is the iso? |
| 01:35.30 | WormFood | kabars_edge, can you read/understand that? |
| 01:35.45 | nusi | my UTF8 isn't working! |
| 01:35.45 | kabars_edge | I have Chinese fonts enabled and that actually come out in glyphs, can you give me an English translation please? |
| 01:36.00 | nusi | WormFood: Why are there more women? |
| 01:36.18 | WormFood | an english translation would be useless...I'll give you the pinyin...it is "shenzhen" (literally means "deep drains") |
| 01:36.26 | nsadmin2 | nusi, whether I'm happy or not is not your immediate concern, it's how you're feeling (which is not mine) |
| 01:36.44 | WormFood | nusi, because it is a major manufacturing center, and many people come here from other areas....many women work in the factories here |
| 01:37.22 | nusi | so cheap labor = women |
| 01:37.24 | nusi | :X |
| 01:37.48 | WormFood | also, I live right in the heart of cantoneese speaking territory, but the most common language spoken here is just standard mandarin |
| 01:38.00 | WormFood | because so many people here are from all over china. |
| 01:38.11 | WormFood | and mandarin is the only common language they speak |
| 01:38.22 | Vutral | too bad i cant speak mandarin |
| 01:38.27 | Vutral | only bad russian |
| 01:38.31 | Vutral | :P |
| 01:38.39 | WormFood | sometimes in HK, it is weird to see several chinese people speaking in English....because one knows mandarin, and english, and the other knows cantonese and english. |
| 01:38.46 | kabars_edge | wormfood: one of my roommates is from æ é½ |
| 01:39.05 | WormFood | æé½ chengdu I've been there before |
| 01:39.20 | Vutral | well if i were to china i would appreciate the food |
| 01:39.21 | WormFood | I've been to over 40 different cities in China :D |
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| 01:39.33 | Vutral | european food is fatty |
| 01:39.34 | kabars_edge | she is an awesome cook |
| 01:39.48 | WormFood | Vutral, you know what you get in other places is not usually "real" chinese food? It is usually westernized |
| 01:40.05 | Vutral | yeah |
| 01:40.06 | WormFood | many people don't like "real" chinese food...which tends to have a lot of bones, when it has meat |
| 01:40.08 | Vutral | i know |
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| 01:40.20 | Vutral | but you can find real chinese food |
| 01:40.24 | WormFood | also, they make some weird foods here too (weird by western standards) |
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| 01:40.34 | WormFood | of course you can find it, but not usually sold to the general public |
| 01:40.37 | Vutral | well i dont like old fish |
| 01:40.41 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 01:40.45 | Vutral | as soup |
| 01:40.50 | Vutral | which stood there for 8 weeks or so |
| 01:40.57 | kabars_edge | wormfood: I love real chinese food, Szechuan food specifically, except when she makes fish head soup, then I get sick to my stomach |
| 01:41.06 | WormFood | I remember before I came to China, we go to a Chinese restaurant with my cousin and aunt and uncle, and my cousin asked if the food they serve is the same food they eat there, and they said "no" |
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| 01:41.47 | WormFood | and he asked if he could try some of the "Real" chinese food they were cooking, and he gave him a type of steamed rice dumpling, wrapped in a leaf....he was totally unprepared for it |
| 01:42.13 | Vutral | well |
| 01:42.22 | WormFood | it was really funny. I didn't like it at first, but those rice dumplings can be good, if they have the right stuff in them. |
| 01:42.23 | Vutral | i think i would ask something with goreng in it |
| 01:42.24 | Vutral | or duck |
| 01:42.25 | Vutral | all day |
| 01:42.27 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 01:42.35 | nusi | ugh |
| 01:42.42 | nusi | I like how |
| 01:42.52 | nusi | McDonalds tastes the same everwhere |
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| 01:43.22 | Vutral | welll |
| 01:43.25 | Vutral | the stuff i llike most |
| 01:43.25 | Vutral | is |
| 01:43.27 | Vutral | SHRIPS |
| 01:43.28 | WormFood | I've always liked Chinese food. I don't like everything, but I do like real chinese food most of the time |
| 01:43.39 | Vutral | shrimps |
| 01:43.43 | DammitJim | oh yeah, Chinese food can always hit the spot! |
| 01:44.09 | Vutral | well |
| 01:44.10 | WormFood | and you should have seen my face when I saw chicken hearts being sold in the stores....I can't buy those easily in USA...last time I had a meal of Chicken hearts in USA was in early 1988 |
| 01:44.10 | nusi | americanized chinese food is okay |
| 01:44.18 | Vutral | japanized food was good |
| 01:44.24 | WormFood | nusi, I miss General Tao's Chicken |
| 01:44.27 | Vutral | but now its full of Sr90 |
| 01:44.29 | WormFood | that isn't real chinese food |
| 01:44.38 | nusi | meat is disgusting most of the time |
| 01:44.42 | nusi | unless it is little parcels in a larger stir fry |
| 01:44.43 | kabars_edge | wormfood: My roommate, çè£ (not sure if this is right) made me some twice boiled pork that I ate till I almost got sick on it was so good, but one of our other roommates took a bite and had to spit it out it was so hot |
| 01:44.44 | WormFood | it is? |
| 01:45.04 | nusi | WormFood: For me. I don't have much ethical objection but it sometimes is just :| |
| 01:45.10 | WormFood | I love spicy food....I can eat some very spicy stuff |
| 01:45.19 | Vutral | yeah |
| 01:45.20 | kabars_edge | if you live in China, I'm sure you can |
| 01:45.22 | Vutral | if it looks nast |
| 01:45.23 | Vutral | if it looks nasty |
| 01:45.25 | WormFood | cooked properly dog is delicious. I suggest you try korean hotpot |
| 01:45.25 | Vutral | just fry it |
| 01:45.30 | Vutral | then its good |
| 01:45.44 | Vutral | cooked frog and snails are good too :P |
| 01:45.56 | WormFood | anyways, I need to make like a baby, and head out...just got a call from my roommate/ex-gf, and I need to meet her in the city. |
| 01:46.02 | Vutral | and blowfish |
| 01:46.10 | WormFood | don't think I've had blowfish |
| 01:46.13 | kabars_edge | wormfood: later |
| 01:46.18 | Vutral | you should try blowfish |
| 01:46.19 | WormFood | I've eaten a lot of "weird" foods here |
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| 01:46.37 | Vutral | hrhr |
| 01:46.40 | WormFood | had a dish of lamb brain once...and a bowl of cooked pork blood (sorta like thick jello) |
| 01:46.53 | WormFood | one of my favorites is "duck blood soup" |
| 01:47.08 | Vutral | wat about the bird nest soup |
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| 01:47.19 | Vutral | :P |
| 01:47.25 | Vutral | its said it tastes good |
| 01:47.25 | WormFood | never had it, but understand it is great |
| 01:47.27 | casts | you know what i don't give a fuck about |
| 01:47.41 | Vutral | do they cook rat in china ? |
| 01:47.51 | WormFood | kabars_edge, that looks like the family name is right...but chinese people usually have 3 characters in their name |
| 01:48.08 | WormFood | yes Vutral...there are restaurants that specialize in rat |
| 01:48.18 | WormFood | but not like sewer rat...wild rat |
| 01:48.20 | Vutral | cool |
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| 01:48.32 | WormFood | I've not had rat, except for squirrel (which I ate in USA) |
| 01:48.33 | Vutral | bush rat |
| 01:48.44 | Vutral | you eat squirrel in usa ? |
| 01:48.53 | WormFood | squirrel = bushy tailed tree rat |
| 01:48.57 | WormFood | yeah |
| 01:49.09 | WormFood | I live in the south usa...they eat everything there |
| 01:49.15 | kabars_edge | wormfood: yeh, sorry, Chinese really escapes me |
| 01:49.32 | Vutral | escapes ? |
| 01:49.32 | WormFood | how many rednecks does it take to eat a 'possum?....2! one to eat the 'possum, and one to watch for cars |
| 01:49.38 | Vutral | \k\a\b\a\r\s\_\e\d\g\e |
| 01:49.54 | WormFood | I come from redneck country in usa |
| 01:50.07 | Vutral | well usa got cool food too |
| 01:50.08 | kabars_edge | the Chinese language Vutral |
| 01:50.12 | Vutral | oh ic |
| 01:50.16 | WormFood | and now I moved to the redneck part of China....even where I live, they are well known in China for eating weird stuff |
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| 01:50.37 | kabars_edge | wormfood: me too, I work at NOAA in Washington DC, but I'm from Knoxville, TN |
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| 01:51.15 | WormFood | kabars_edge, does she correct how you pronounce her name? it is written as "wang" but is pronounce in "wong" in english |
| 01:51.54 | kabars_edge | wormfood: No, I'm good on her name, her given name, best I could tell, spelled with our letters, would be zho'ong |
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| 01:52.01 | WormFood | my first chinese girlfriend has the same family name (usually number 1 or 2 for popularity as family names) |
| 01:52.18 | kabars_edge | yes, wong/wang there is like Smith here |
| 01:52.37 | WormFood | è is spelled "cai" in pinyin |
| 01:52.54 | WormFood | not easy to write in english letters, because we don't have the same sounds in english |
| 01:52.57 | WormFood | anyways, I gotta go |
| 01:53.01 | kabars_edge | later |
| 01:53.16 | WormFood | not sure if what I typed is her name or not...very close if not |
| 01:53.27 | WormFood | åè§ see ya l8r |
| 01:53.55 | nusi | anyone here use nmh? |
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| 01:54.31 | kabars_edge | nusi: Did I answer all your RAID questions? I'm bad about drifting |
| 01:55.15 | nusi | kabars_edge: Sure. I'm not sure now if I'd do it on Debian, CentOS, or OpenBSD. |
| 01:55.28 | nusi | kabars_edge: You did, and even more some with the fake raid and Dell stuff. |
| 01:55.32 | nusi | Thanks. |
| 01:55.50 | kabars_edge | nusi: Go Debian, you'll thank me later, just stay away from fake RAID. Do you know how to tell the difference? |
| 01:56.34 | nusi | kabars_edge: I disable most things in my BIOS and have not encountered it. I suppose it has some sort of secondary BIOS - and I never see that. Just POST -> BIOS -> GRUB |
| 01:57.15 | nusi | Even if I had fakeraid, possibly enabled, how would that affect debian installer's dmsetup? |
| 01:57.16 | kabars_edge | nusi: so in your setup are you just using standard 7.2K RPM SATA drives with individual sata controllers? |
| 01:57.36 | kabars_edge | nusi: well, if you have fake RAID enabled, Debian won't see the HDDs |
| 01:57.42 | nusi | kabars_edge: You've caused me to reassess my setup, so I'm going to email some other about it. |
| 01:57.53 | nusi | kabars_edge: Well then, debian never has that trouble. |
| 01:58.07 | kabars_edge | nusi: then you're good |
| 01:58.35 | nusi | I know my controller chipset type too, so I can look/deal with that. |
| 01:58.54 | kabars_edge | nusi: what chassis are you building this in? |
| 01:59.00 | nusi | kabars_edge: Oh, yes, it would still be 7.2K RPM SATA drives with individual controllers. |
| 01:59.08 | nusi | kabars_edge: Full ATX. |
| 01:59.25 | kabars_edge | nusi: Is it a whitebox? |
| 01:59.28 | nusi | Yes. |
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| 02:00.03 | nusi | kabars_edge: All the disks would be what I can find that have single platters and 5 year warranties |
| 02:00.28 | kabars_edge | smart guy looking for those 5 year warranties. They are hard to find |
| 02:00.50 | nusi | I see them in the WD RE drives, and some WD Caviar Blacks |
| 02:00.57 | nusi | But some of them don't play in RAID arrays |
| 02:01.13 | nusi | They assume they'll offload to a dedicated hardware raid controller |
| 02:01.20 | zinx | get an HP drive. 3 times the price, 1/3rd the warranty. |
| 02:01.21 | nusi | so they wont play nice in **software RAID |
| 02:01.22 | nusi | IIRC |
| 02:01.37 | nusi | they'll offload some error correction** |
| 02:01.57 | kabars_edge | nusi: I've never had a drive that didn't work in a SoftRAID |
| 02:02.05 | nusi | Well they will work |
| 02:02.11 | nusi | But failure rates can be higher |
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| 02:02.35 | kabars_edge | nusi: but I don't think in Raid 1, only striped RAIDs, not mirrored RAIDs |
| 02:02.36 | nusi | Something to do with them flipping some switches at the factory floor on the disk firmware |
| 02:02.44 | nusi | Hmmm. |
| 02:03.02 | nusi | Well I'll have to look again. |
| 02:03.07 | kabars_edge | nusi: I'm saying they should work perfectly in a softRaid1 configuration |
| 02:03.10 | nusi | kabars_edge: Do you do stuff like iscsi? |
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| 02:03.42 | kabars_edge | I've done iSCSI over FiberChannel for SANs |
| 02:03.45 | nusi | kabars_edge: I didn't see why not, but reading some users whining about a failed setup make me read more |
| 02:04.03 | nusi | kabars_edge: What do you think of ATA over Ethernet? |
| 02:04.06 | kabars_edge | they are probably failing in RAID 0/3/5/6 configs |
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| 02:04.36 | kabars_edge | nusi: never used it |
| 02:04.37 | nusi | kabars_edge: Very likely, RAID0 especially, since these are newegg guys building their 'gaming rigs'. |
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| 02:04.40 | DammitJim | ok, I'm about to reinstall the OS |
| 02:04.47 | DammitJim | how do I not override the home directory? |
| 02:05.05 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: What are you installing? |
| 02:05.09 | kabars_edge | Squeeze? |
| 02:05.10 | DammitJim | I know the installer is going to ask me if I want to format the partitions and stuf |
| 02:05.19 | DammitJim | it'll probably be squeeze, yes |
| 02:05.34 | DammitJim | I've had too many problems with wheezy :( |
| 02:05.44 | DammitJim | so, I'm basically going from wheezy to squeeze |
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| 02:06.02 | DammitJim | but how do I tell the system that the current home directory should stay the way it is |
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| 02:06.22 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: is your /home it's own partition? |
| 02:06.29 | DammitJim | yes |
| 02:06.44 | DammitJim | in my case /dev/sda6 |
| 02:07.19 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Then just don't format/fdisk/initialize that partition, leave it designated as /home, your new OS will pick it up |
| 02:07.33 | DammitJim | it will? |
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| 02:07.48 | DammitJim | I don't know why in other installations, it hasn't automatically figured that out |
| 02:07.51 | DammitJim | and it created a new one |
| 02:07.57 | JordiGH | This is awesome, since when is zsnes in amd64? |
| 02:08.15 | JordiGH | The Changelog.debian doesn't say. |
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| 02:08.39 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: yes, it will see it in the Debian disk partitioning utility, you have to tell the partition utility to mount and use it as /home as it |
| 02:09.34 | kabars_edge | without formatting |
| 02:09.50 | DammitJim | ok, I'll check it out |
| 02:10.19 | DammitJim | man, but what about all the stuff in ~ |
| 02:10.23 | DammitJim | ~/ |
| 02:10.23 | apt | well, / is home, sweet home |
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| 02:11.20 | ksx4system | is there some font viewer with GUI in Debian squeeze repos? preferably GTK/XFCE friendly one |
| 02:11.22 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: as long as you tell the partition utility to use it, but no format, it will be fine |
| 02:11.57 | kabars_edge | ksx4system: synaptic |
| 02:12.09 | kabars_edge | but why would you use it |
| 02:12.10 | DammitJim | I guess I don't know how to tell the partition utility to use it |
| 02:12.26 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: hold on, I'll find you a screen shot |
| 02:12.34 | DammitJim | ty |
| 02:13.06 | ksx4system | kabars_edge: wasn't that package manager with GUI? i need only a simple font viewer, i use apt-get to take care of software install/uninstall events/ |
| 02:13.32 | kabars_edge | sorry, I misread |
| 02:13.41 | ksx4system | no problem :) |
| 02:14.32 | kabars_edge | ksx4system: how about evince-gtk? |
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| 02:19.24 | ksx4system | kabars_edge: still not that. i have ePDFviewer for documents but still nothing to preview font files (.ttf/.otf) |
| 02:19.47 | ksx4system | afaik GNOME has tool for this integrated but i'm running XFCE |
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| 02:21.08 | Vutral | mhm |
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| 02:27.38 | cryptopsy | can curlftpfs mount sftp locally? |
| 02:27.40 | cryptopsy | or just ftp |
| 02:27.54 | kabars_edge | ksx4system: have you tried feh? |
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| 02:32.09 | rudi_s | cryptopsy: If you want to mount sftp use sshfs. |
| 02:32.27 | cryptopsy | that's what curlftpfs sues |
| 02:32.29 | cryptopsy | uses |
| 02:33.26 | rudi_s | cryptopsy: I'm not sure I understand. |
| 02:34.35 | rudi_s | curlftfps is for FTP, sshfs is for SSH. |
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| 02:35.00 | cryptopsy | ftpfs and sshfs are the same |
| 02:35.10 | rudi_s | No. |
| 02:35.13 | rudi_s | *AFAIK |
| 02:35.16 | kabars_edge | cryptopsy: no |
| 02:35.18 | kabars_edge | they are not |
| 02:35.19 | cryptopsy | prove it |
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| 02:35.43 | cryptopsy | ftpfs was replaced by it |
| 02:35.46 | cryptopsy | afaik |
| 02:36.15 | rudi_s | cryptopsy: No. ftpfs is for FTP, sshfs is for SSH. FTP and SSH are completely different protocols. |
| 02:36.32 | kabars_edge | cryptopsy: ftpfs is not encrypted while sshfs is |
| 02:36.35 | kabars_edge | ftp vs ssh |
| 02:36.43 | rudi_s | The naming for "secure" versions of FTP is a little difficult .. |
| 02:36.50 | cryptopsy | ftp vs ssh is not the same as ftpfs vs sshfs |
| 02:37.08 | rudi_s | cryptopsy: Well, check there website. |
| 02:37.09 | MrFrood | thinks everyone should just use gopher... |
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| 02:37.35 | cryptopsy | how about you check the website |
| 02:37.51 | cryptopsy | go to the ftpfs website |
| 02:37.52 | cryptopsy | !!! This project has been obsoleted |
| 02:38.09 | rudi_s | cryptopsy: So? |
| 02:38.43 | cryptopsy | so ... you're a fucking retard |
| 02:38.44 | MrFrood | Internet Gopher: The only common-place standardised virtual file system :P |
| 02:38.51 | cryptopsy | the name doesn't mean anything |
| 02:38.55 | rudi_s | cryptopsy: Thanks, you're welcome. |
| 02:39.01 | cryptopsy | ban me, so be it |
| 02:39.46 | rudi_s | cryptopsy: aptitude show curlftpfs and aptite show sshfs |
| 02:39.59 | kabars_edge | cryptopsy: In Debian Squeeze, there are distinct packages for curltpfs and sshfs |
| 02:40.00 | kabars_edge | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Ftpfs |
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| 02:41.53 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: You disappeared |
| 02:42.21 | DammitJim | sorry kabars_edge ... had to reboot |
| 02:42.26 | DammitJim | but I think I figured it out :) |
| 02:42.38 | DammitJim | it's confusing, though |
| 02:42.55 | DammitJim | I was afraid I was reformatting the partition (if I changed the filesystem) |
| 02:43.55 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Cool, I was unable to find a screenshot, but when you are rebuilding, use the manual option to set up your disk, go to your current /home partition, tell the partition utility to use it as is, NO FORMATTING, and mount it at /home |
| 02:44.27 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: DO NOT CHANGE THE FS TYPE |
| 02:44.31 | DammitJim | I didn't see an option to use it as is |
| 02:44.35 | DammitJim | I did :( |
| 02:44.43 | DammitJim | I mean... I matched it to the old one |
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| 02:48.11 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Did you select the partition as it was, then go in and tell the partition util that it was ext3 and needed to be mounted as /home? |
| 02:48.58 | DammitJim | yes |
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| 02:49.11 | karlpinc | DammitJim: If you want to leave it alone you can always do that and later manually adjust your fstab. Or so it seems to me not really knowing what you're doing. |
| 02:49.12 | DammitJim | man, this is too hard... I can't install this thing with wifi |
| 02:49.28 | DammitJim | karlpinc, I thought there was a way to change it later |
| 02:49.29 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: I think you'll be okay |
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| 02:50.43 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: You can always change your /etc/fstab to adjust your system mounts, however, I assumed that assigning it in the build process would be easier for you than tinkering with the fstab file later |
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| 02:52.28 | nsadmin2 | DammitJim, do you have /home as a separate partition? |
| 02:52.33 | DammitJim | yes |
| 02:52.49 | DammitJim | don't worry guys, I think I'm ok with it... now I just have a problem with the mirrors for some reason |
| 02:53.26 | nsadmin2 | hmm, what kind of problem? |
| 02:54.42 | DammitJim | I can't use any of the mirrors it's suggesting |
| 02:55.23 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: hit alt F2, it will give you a console, do an ifconfig, make sure you have networking |
| 02:55.27 | DammitJim | and the syslog says: mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze) |
| 02:55.46 | nsadmin2 | not sure, but someone may have reported something similar |
| 02:56.02 | DammitJim | ifconfig doesn't work :( |
| 02:56.31 | kabars_edge | it should, try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 02:56.34 | simonlnu | /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 02:57.20 | DammitJim | I'm in the ~ # prompt |
| 02:57.28 | kabars_edge | we know |
| 02:57.29 | DammitJim | /sbin/ifconfig is a no go as well |
| 02:57.37 | simonlnu | wth |
| 02:57.40 | nsadmin2 | what message? |
| 02:57.56 | kabars_edge | I'm almost positive the busybox shell/console has ifconfig in it |
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| 02:58.29 | DammitJim | ls /sbin shows no ifconfig |
| 02:58.39 | kabars_edge | /bin/ifconfig |
| 02:58.52 | DammitJim | not found (/bin/ifconfig) |
| 02:59.04 | kabars_edge | hold one sec |
| 02:59.16 | nsadmin2 | maybe newer installers use ip instead of ifconfig/route |
| 02:59.40 | simonlnu | ip addr === ifconfig |
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| 02:59.57 | kabars_edge | no, I just burned a new net install disk last week and it had ifconfig in it |
| 03:00.36 | simonlnu | you sure that's a debian built buxybox? ;) |
| 03:00.41 | simonlnu | DammitJim: ^^ |
| 03:01.09 | nsadmin2 | how can he be sure of that? that would take effort to find out... |
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| 03:01.50 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: where did you get the ISO to burn your installer disk? |
| 03:02.03 | simonlnu | i half-kidding anyway, but i know debian's busybox has ifconfig, and kabars_edge confirmed my suspicion |
| 03:02.16 | simonlnu | i was * |
| 03:02.25 | nsadmin2 | if ifconfig is in busybox and no ifconfig in any bin/, maybe you can make a symlink somewhere |
| 03:02.57 | DammitJim | from one of the debian mirrors |
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| 03:04.52 | DammitJim | yeah, ip works |
| 03:04.58 | DammitJim | but I have a wireless network |
| 03:05.17 | kabars_edge | did it recognize your wireless card? |
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| 03:07.22 | DammitJim | yes |
| 03:07.30 | DammitJim | I had to put the usb drive with the firmware file |
| 03:07.31 | nsadmin2 | you don't have any eth anywhere? |
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| 03:07.57 | DammitJim | I could hook it up, but I'd have to sit in the closet LOL |
| 03:08.21 | nsadmin2 | hmm, your wireless is workign tho? |
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| 03:09.13 | DammitJim | it said if found the network |
| 03:09.25 | DammitJim | but then now that I'm at the step where it's supposed to configure apt, it's stuck |
| 03:10.22 | nsadmin2 | my guess of course is dns |
| 03:10.47 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 03:10.58 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Damnit Jim! |
| 03:11.27 | nsadmin2 | !u |
| 03:11.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:12.22 | kabars_edge | nsadmin2: Nice! |
| 03:12.38 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 03:14.00 | nsadmin2 | is there ping? |
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| 03:16.35 | DammitJim | let me try pinging 4.4.4.4 |
| 03:16.37 | DammitJim | isn't that google? |
| 03:16.47 | kabars_edge | try 4.2.2.2 |
| 03:17.06 | DammitJim | no ping utility |
| 03:17.28 | becker_11 | Hi all. My laptop crashed and now I can't access my twin external 1tb hard drives. Both of them have permissions errors the ntfs one says "ntfs-3g-mount failed to open /dev/fuse permission denied How can I fix this please? |
| 03:17.32 | nsadmin2 | also try 72.30.2.43 |
| 03:18.03 | kabars_edge | becker_11: Was your laptop Debian? |
| 03:18.18 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: yep |
| 03:18.29 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: debian base anyway |
| 03:19.01 | kabars_edge | Debian base? |
| 03:19.11 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I have debian repos in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:19.28 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: crunchbang based on debian |
| 03:20.27 | kabars_edge | oh, alright, we don't really care, we'll help either way, it's just good to know |
| 03:20.57 | nsadmin2 | DammitJim, do you have telnet? |
| 03:21.37 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: thanks! So what the good oil from those who know on getting me back into my hd? |
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| 03:24.14 | kabars_edge | becker_11: Are you mounting from the same laptop with a new OS install? Crunchbang I assume? |
| 03:25.18 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: no new install my lappie crashed and now I don't have access prior to it crashing both drives auto mounted on boot from fstab |
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| 03:26.04 | kabars_edge | becker_11: so what are you OS mounting them from? |
| 03:27.26 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: not sure I understand the question both drives were working perfectly fine with crunchbang before the crash now I have permissions errors that wont allow them to mount ... 1 is ext 3 or 4 not sure the other is ntfs |
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| 03:28.55 | kabars_edge | becker_11: so when you say your laptop crashed, you didn't have to rebuild the OS, just reboot, are you mounting as a user or as root? |
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| 03:29.21 | becker_11 | heres the fstab entry /dev/sdc1 /media/usb1 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 03:30.24 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I think it was heat related and the bios shut it down and yeah I just rebooted and logged in from memory there was a file manager open with the drive showing in there when it crashed |
| 03:30.55 | becker_11 | the other drives fstab /dev/sdb1 /media/storage ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 03:32.57 | becker_11 | yeah the drives are meant to load under my user account |
| 03:33.57 | kabars_edge | becker_11: okay, if there are in fstab, then they are loading globally by the system. so a couple things, first, did you verify your ntfs libs are still in tact? second, is your laptop recognizing the HDDs when you plug them in? |
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| 03:34.20 | kabars_edge | sorry about the misspellings, I'm going on a 14 hour work day |
| 03:35.09 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: in that case big thanks for helping me out |
| 03:35.58 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: definately recognising them as I'm getting permissions errors when they can't mount and as for the libs I never thought to check |
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| 03:37.28 | SerajewelKS | hmm, i'm having trouble upgrading an 8.3 pgsql cluster to 8.4. pg_upgradecluster fails because 8.3 is not running -- but 8.3 is no longer available in squeeze. |
| 03:37.39 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: okay I've opened synaptic and it's showing there installed should I tell it to reinstall just to be sure or is there an easier way to do this in the terminal? |
| 03:37.44 | SerajewelKS | how can i upgrade from 8.3, if 8.3 must be running and it's no longer installable? |
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| 03:38.32 | nsadmin2 | try building an 8.3 from lenny |
| 03:38.49 | nsadmin2 | but use the 8.4 dump |
| 03:38.54 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin2: really? the upgrade path from lenny->squeeze requires you to build shit from source to upgrade? |
| 03:39.01 | SerajewelKS | that seems a little odd |
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| 03:39.49 | SerajewelKS | i expected the 8.4 install scripts to upgrade for me. instead they removed 8.3 and created a new cluster for 8.4, effectively ass-raping my db setup without telling me. |
| 03:39.55 | nsadmin2 | agreed. the postgres maintainers are not serving users when they stupidly drop pg versions that are still in use and when people complain say "too bad" |
| 03:40.01 | Success | hi |
| 03:40.11 | Success | i want to try debian. im from windows and ubuntu |
| 03:40.23 | Success | i cant seem to find out what packages each one has |
| 03:40.32 | nsadmin2 | do you have unpartitioned space? |
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| 03:40.43 | nsadmin2 | packages.debian.org |
| 03:40.45 | becker_11 | Success: ubuntu is based on debian |
| 03:40.58 | afiredp1 | how |
| 03:40.58 | Success | what? |
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| 03:41.01 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin2: no. google suggests that 8.3 can be install from lenny without too much work. |
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| 03:41.08 | afiredp1 | how backup debian |
| 03:41.22 | kabars_edge | becker_11: okay, did your system fsck your drives when booting? If not, you might need to do that. Additionally check the ntfs libs (libntfs-3g75, libntfs10, ntfs-3g) Since they are installed by the package manager, you might just go ahead and apt-get remove/apt-get install those libs, also, I would run a fsck on those two external drives to make sure the file systems are in tact. fsck will repair them if they hinky |
| 03:41.24 | Success | well i was looking into getting linux mint too |
| 03:41.48 | nsadmin2 | try whichever you want |
| 03:41.55 | kabars_edge | afiredp1: What type of backup? Whole hard drive? Just your home directory? |
| 03:41.58 | Success | no i want all of them |
| 03:42.13 | ctmjr | so install all of them |
| 03:42.22 | afiredp1 | kabars_edge, like ghost fullbackup |
| 03:42.28 | Success | which debian do i want |
| 03:43.14 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: okay I'm going to have to google to do the fsck and being so big it will take a while |
| 03:43.21 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin2: i'm not a mysql fanboy, but for my first postgresql upgrade i'm not very impressed :( though i understand this is a packaging thing, it's still easier with mysql |
| 03:43.44 | afiredp1 | kabars_edge, i used clonezilla very bad , |
| 03:43.53 | karlpinc | !tell Success about overview |
| 03:44.02 | afiredp1 | kabars_edge, just debian partion |
| 03:44.06 | SerajewelKS | Success: if you're asking, then you want stable (squeeze) |
| 03:44.09 | kabars_edge | becker_11: fsck.ntfs /dev/sd? |
| 03:44.47 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: You followed the readme.debian? |
| 03:44.50 | Success | debians weird |
| 03:44.56 | kabars_edge | afiredp1: are you backing up from within the OS? |
| 03:45.00 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: oh okay ta is it fsck.ext /dev/sd? for the other ext drive? |
| 03:45.08 | karlpinc | Success: Why? |
| 03:45.37 | Success | like i said im used to ubuntu and windows ( 7 mainly ) |
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| 03:45.59 | kabars_edge | becker_11: nope, just fsck /dev/sd? should work, obviously replacing the ? with the correct alphanumeric letter |
| 03:46.04 | Success | windows there is always a *best* for every build |
| 03:46.12 | Kage | I am having issues to get netinstall to work |
| 03:46.15 | karlpinc | Success: Stable is "best". |
| 03:46.26 | kabars_edge | I agree with karlpinc |
| 03:46.27 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I can't believe I just got a bash: fsck.ntfs: command not found error |
| 03:46.29 | Success | ubuntu theres a main build and you install the packages once you load it up |
| 03:46.32 | nsadmin2 | !best |
| 03:46.32 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:46.34 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: no -- i was not aware that i had to read every readme.debian for every package i was upgrading on my system to keep it from getting hosed. |
| 03:46.37 | Success | windows has like premium then ultimate |
| 03:46.55 | Success | basic home premium ultimate |
| 03:47.00 | ctmjr | Success, me thinks your a troll |
| 03:47.14 | Success | no im just trying to understand the debian world |
| 03:47.20 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: It's got detailed instructions, and makes an upgrade easy. That's where you look for debian specific stuff. |
| 03:47.23 | nsadmin2 | debian is for home work |
| 03:47.28 | karlpinc | !tell SerajewelKS about readme.debian |
| 03:47.37 | Kage | netinstall is not seeing my wireless card |
| 03:47.39 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: yes, but you're not understanding the problem |
| 03:47.44 | curmudgeon_ | Success: The term 'Premium' simply doesn't apply to Microsoft. |
| 03:47.45 | Success | whwhats best for development |
| 03:47.48 | Kage | so I can't... connect to the net |
| 03:47.50 | Kage | <.< |
| 03:47.53 | nsadmin2 | Kage: then use wired to install |
| 03:47.58 | Success | why do you think im moving to linux |
| 03:48.03 | Kage | nsadmin2: don't got a wire |
| 03:48.08 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: in order to upgrade 8.3 to 8.4, you must have 8.3 installed. and 8.3 is *not available in squeeze*. |
| 03:48.17 | karlpinc | Success: Debian is debian because it has a social contract. That constrains what's "core". But there's many additions. |
| 03:48.17 | Success | anyways what does debian heavy have that lite doesnt |
| 03:48.27 | Success | social contract |
| 03:48.28 | Success | ?? |
| 03:48.37 | kabars_edge | Success: There is only 1 Debian, and it's at different stages that are always moving forward, stable, testing and unstable. Stable you want for servers and probably important desktops, although I run testing on my hope desktop. Unstable is cutting edge. |
| 03:48.38 | nsadmin2 | Kage, then install without configuring net for now |
| 03:48.42 | Success | and is there an automatic updater like ubuntu? |
| 03:48.43 | karlpinc | !tell Success about social contract |
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| 03:48.54 | Success | i like unstable |
| 03:48.59 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: sending you a PM |
| 03:49.00 | Success | i have nightly/canary everything |
| 03:49.08 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: i'm fine following a manual upgrade path. but i have issues when the upgrade path depends on software not available in the version you are upgrading to. |
| 03:49.11 | kabars_edge | then unstable is where you want to go |
| 03:49.19 | nsadmin2 | I thought heavy/lite was discontinued in favor of high/higher |
| 03:49.28 | curmudgeon_ | Start off with 'Squeeze if you are serious. Download and read the documentation for 'Aptitude' and then, when you feel ready for a bit more cutting edge, upgrade. |
| 03:49.36 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: I have 8.3 installed in squeeze, I belive. Lemmie look. |
| 03:49.38 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: okay I just got a fsck.ntfs-3g: not found error but it's not even listed in synaptic |
| 03:49.42 | Success | but does debian have an auto updater like ubuntu? i really like the auto update and package getters on ubuntu |
| 03:49.46 | Kage | nsadmin2: its booted up... and install, I got a command prompt and that is it |
| 03:49.53 | un214 | apt-get will auto-update |
| 03:50.02 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: you can install the version from the lenny repo, yes. but 8.3 is not available in the squeeze repo. |
| 03:50.05 | Success | has n e 1 here used ubuntu? |
| 03:50.11 | SerajewelKS | ~versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 03:50.13 | Success | and didnt debian used to be non free? |
| 03:50.31 | SerajewelKS | obvious troll is obvious |
| 03:50.35 | kabars_edge | becker_11: do you have ntfsprogs installed? |
| 03:50.39 | karlpinc | Success: We don't know ubuntu. My impression is that Ubuntu is debian with stuff cut out and some of the extra's that you must manually enable in Debian automatically included. |
| 03:50.40 | Success | :( |
| 03:51.09 | Success | do i want large or small install cd |
| 03:51.12 | Success | whats difference |
| 03:51.17 | karlpinc | Success: You want the netinstall cd. |
| 03:51.23 | Success | why |
| 03:51.34 | SerajewelKS | !versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 03:51.39 | un214 | I left ubuntu |
| 03:51.44 | kabars_edge | faster download, and you'll get your packages right from the repository |
| 03:51.51 | un214 | they had gone for the flashy at the expense of the unix core |
| 03:51.56 | karlpinc | ,versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 03:51.57 | judd | Package postgresql-8.3 on i386 -- lenny: 8.3.13-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.14-0lenny1 |
| 03:52.06 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: yeah, that character :) |
| 03:52.08 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: no it wasn't I'm installing it now. I've also uninstalled those libs run an update and reinstalled them again |
| 03:52.25 | Success | small smaller tiny or net |
| 03:52.41 | curmudgeon_ | Success: We all 'like' things. I used to like swamps and crocodiles until I got caught in the quicksand. Yes, Debian has an auto-update facility, but it pays to be around when updating/upgrading and I think you'll find what I said before applies. But, hey! It's a free world. |
| 03:53.00 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: I upgraded from lenny and now have postgres 8.3 installed. It seems the upgrade process does not uninstall it. |
| 03:53.10 | afiredp1 | kabars_edge, with live cd u disk |
| 03:53.32 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: do these drives need to be mounted to fsck them? I've just installed ntfs-progs and I'm still getting fsck.ntfs-3g: not found |
| 03:53.35 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: You could file a bug report against release-notes and complain that they don't mention this sort of stuff. it should be in there somewhere. |
| 03:53.39 | Success | wait so which one |
| 03:53.40 | nsadmin2 | truthfully if you're serious about using pg then you would have properly dumped your databases a LONG time ago... still, you have many options to get your existing database across |
| 03:53.51 | Success | its asking me small smaller tiny or network |
| 03:53.53 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: i'm not sure how it got uninstalled -- i thought it happened automatically at one point but i'm not sure. still, i stand by my point that i should not have to read all the readme.debian files before i uninstall old software to avoid hosing my upgrade path. |
| 03:54.30 | SerajewelKS | it's not like the debconf process couldn't have asked me if i wanted to run pg_upgradecluster |
| 03:54.37 | Success | small or smaller |
| 03:54.41 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: That's why I'm saying you should file a bug report against the release-notes package. That's supposed to be where you go to find out how to upgrade. |
| 03:54.44 | nsadmin2 | not the least of which include installing a temporary lenny, installing some 8.3 (and yes I would recommend building the packages) |
| 03:54.50 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: right, ok |
| 03:54.58 | Success | downloads small |
| 03:55.01 | Success | 3 hours left.. |
| 03:55.02 | kabars_edge | becker_11: No, don't mount, just fsck |
| 03:55.05 | Success | wtf |
| 03:55.10 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: check this pastebin http://pastebin.com/BwGYrAjD |
| 03:55.19 | Success | oh 1 hour left now |
| 03:55.21 | karlpinc | Success: You must have hit a slow mirror. Or it needs to ramp up. |
| 03:55.36 | Success | 45 minutes |
| 03:55.40 | Success | how hit slow mirrow |
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| 03:55.52 | karlpinc | Success: Random dns choice. |
| 03:56.01 | Success | how long should it take |
| 03:56.10 | curmudgeon_ | Success: What do you need it on? A P.C. or a disc or USB to carry round? If you're installing to a P.C., as you've already been advised, you're best off with the Net install. |
| 03:56.38 | Success | i do pc/vm/cd |
| 03:56.46 | curmudgeon_ | Success: or you're on dial-up. |
| 03:56.51 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: the fsck is in nilfs-tools just installing it now |
| 03:56.53 | Success | im on dsl |
| 03:57.15 | curmudgeon_ | What speed? |
| 03:57.16 | nsadmin2 | what is your router? |
| 03:57.23 | karlpinc | does not really understand the point of the debian installer's download page. The netinstall is hard to identify among all the choices. |
| 03:57.32 | Success | idk im at the end of line so i only get like 1.5 |
| 03:57.47 | Success | technically dsl isnt suppoce to make it out this far though |
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| 03:57.53 | curmudgeon_ | 1.5 what? |
| 03:57.54 | Success | lemme speed test hold up |
| 03:58.14 | karlpinc | Success: It's supposed to be about 200K. You do the math. |
| 03:58.29 | Success | like instant? lol |
| 03:59.03 | Success | ouch 0.63 mbps |
| 03:59.05 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: this is unreal I installed the package and it still says fsck.ntfs not found http://pastebin.com/1G5QrUbX |
| 03:59.10 | nsadmin2 | that actually doesn't matter that much |
| 03:59.20 | karlpinc | Success: What arch did you choose? |
| 03:59.21 | Success | upload .27mbps |
| 03:59.51 | curmudgeon_ | Go here: http://tinyurl.com/3q9dgu9 |
| 03:59.54 | Success | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1261911372.png |
| 04:00.13 | kabars_edge | yeh, that's kind of slow |
| 04:00.23 | nsadmin2 | Success: could you wake up and pay attention to the conversation and details |
| 04:00.30 | Success | ok |
| 04:00.36 | Success | and i have lots of stuff open though |
| 04:00.47 | Success | and vms runnning torrents downloading iso going |
| 04:00.57 | curmudgeon_ | Then shut it all down. |
| 04:01.44 | nsadmin2 | that would explain why you're not seeing a lot of speed |
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| 04:02.29 | nsadmin2 | but even so, it's plenty, and you can just wait for the install to finish |
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| 04:05.28 | Success | but im playing game in vm |
| 04:05.32 | Success | lol ok ill close it |
| 04:05.43 | Success | can i keep chrome and winamp and utorrent? |
| 04:06.12 | nsadmin2 | you have plenty of bandwidth, keep what you want |
| 04:06.28 | Success | fine ill kill utorrent |
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| 04:07.18 | Success | there now i just have chrome to test and talk to u |
| 04:08.21 | Success | download got worse but uplod got better |
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| 04:09.07 | curmudgeon_ | eh? Chrome is uploading? |
| 04:09.31 | Success | ?? |
| 04:09.35 | nsadmin2 | chrome is being dome |
| 04:09.51 | Success | i have chrome 13 i think |
| 04:10.10 | Success | and thats speedtest.net |
| 04:10.32 | curmudgeon_ | Maybe if he wants to win, he should use Konqueror? |
| 04:11.06 | Success | konqueror? |
| 04:11.16 | Success | whatabout firefox nightly and chrome canary |
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| 04:11.30 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: there is no fsck for ntfs they have to be checked via a windows machine which I don't have unfortunately http://bit.ly/eQBXVz |
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| 04:13.01 | curmudgeon_ | You can configure konqueror to masquerade as either. |
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| 04:13.41 | kabars_edge | becker_11: run the command /usr/bin/ntfsfix |
| 04:14.07 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: okay I've checked the ext drie and it's reported a bad magic number in superblock http://pastebin.com/LpPTjsNV |
| 04:15.14 | kabars_edge | becker_11: try specifically running fsck.ext3 against it |
| 04:16.35 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: thanks that worked it's checked it and reported mounting ok, NTFS partition /dev/sdc1 was processed successfully. |
| 04:17.56 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: regarding the ext drive it was partly my fault I used /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 it's checking now |
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| 04:19.36 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: http://pastebin.com/9B9BMRKe file system was modified 3.1% |
| 04:20.35 | kabars_edge | cool |
| 04:20.49 | kabars_edge | becker_11: that means it was hinky, and it's been fixed |
| 04:20.56 | kabars_edge | try mounting again now |
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| 04:22.58 | nsadmin2 | you applied the hinky fix? |
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| 04:24.23 | kabars_edge | nsadmin2: XD |
| 04:24.28 | simonlnu | it's milder than the kinky fix |
| 04:24.53 | simonlnu | though some people have said it's stronger |
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| 04:25.26 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: didn't mount [53376.656715] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdc. [53387.733872] EXT4-fs (sdc): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem |
| 04:25.30 | kabars_edge | nsadmin2: His system crashed, hosed the file systems on his two external usb hard disks. |
| 04:25.53 | kabars_edge | becker_11: are you trying to mount with fstab? |
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| 04:26.49 | becker_11 | I tried sudo mount -a then I tried a manual mount |
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| 04:29.17 | nsadmin2 | did either do anything? |
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| 04:30.21 | kabars_edge | becker_11: are you using LVM at all? |
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| 04:31.19 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: no btw I've managed to mount the ntfs drive it's just the ext drive I'm having trouble with now |
| 04:31.45 | kabars_edge | sweet partial success! |
| 04:31.59 | kabars_edge | It's like every relationship I've ever had |
| 04:32.00 | kabars_edge | XD |
| 04:32.04 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: you bet the ntfs has all my backups on it |
| 04:32.13 | kabars_edge | awesome! |
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| 04:32.57 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I can hear the lecture now "Always backup to more than 1 place in case something goes wrong" yeah yeah :) |
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| 04:33.31 | kabars_edge | becker_11: You won't hear that lecture from me, we've all lost data, and the feeling you get when you realize you've lost something is punishment enough for anyone |
| 04:33.58 | kabars_edge | becker_11: Do a fdisk -l /dev/sd?? |
| 04:34.05 | kabars_edge | for the ext partition |
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| 04:36.54 | simonlnu | iAmerikan: personally i like dovecot, exim |
| 04:37.16 | becker_11 | here' the line /dev/sdb1 * 2 31008256 976760032+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 04:37.31 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: here' the line /dev/sdb1 * 2 31008256 976760032+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 04:38.05 | iAmerikan | simonlnu -- can I send && recieve w/ that combo? |
| 04:38.24 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 04:38.32 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I don't know why it's showing as hpfs/ntfs it fsck'd as ext3 |
| 04:38.38 | simonlnu | exim is already installed, more than likely |
| 04:38.45 | kabars_edge | becker_11: so it's a NTFS share to? |
| 04:38.47 | simonlnu | (exim4) |
| 04:38.50 | iAmerikan | I'll check |
| 04:39.21 | iAmerikan | It isn't yet, how hard is the conf for the pair?? |
| 04:40.18 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: it shouldn't be and I fscked it with standard fsck |
| 04:41.21 | SerajewelKS | becker_11: that just identifies the type of the partition as it is recorded in the partition table |
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| 04:41.40 | SerajewelKS | becker_11: windows uses this information to detect volumes. linux couldn't give less of a shit what it says. |
| 04:41.59 | kabars_edge | becker_11: Do this: fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 04:41.59 | kabars_edge | Then hit 't' to change the partition table, then select 1 for sdb1, then select 83 for Linux, then 'w' to write |
| 04:41.59 | kabars_edge | However, it's just bookkeeping |
| 04:42.06 | SerajewelKS | becker_11: probably the drive used to be ntfs at some point, but was formatted as ext3 on linux without changing the partition table? |
| 04:43.24 | kabars_edge | becker_11: either way, as long as you know what it is, that's all that matters |
| 04:43.40 | kabars_edge | so where are we, the NTFS is mounted, but the ext3 is not, correct? |
| 04:44.02 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: okay I've altered the partition table but it says the system wont see the new table till after I've rebooted |
| 04:44.10 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: correct |
| 04:45.03 | kabars_edge | becker_11: since it's not mounted, it really doesn't matter |
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| 04:46.26 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I tried a sudo mount -a and it returned an error and it is complaining about an ntfs sig here's the pastebin http://pastebin.com/P2d10ved |
| 04:46.42 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: so may be it really is ntfs I could have sworn it was ext3 |
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| 04:47.45 | kabars_edge | becker_11: give me a scrshot of stdout for mount |
| 04:48.37 | kabars_edge | becker_11: and let me see your fstab one more time |
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| 04:51.13 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: here it is http://pastebin.com/KZSzQpzZ |
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| 04:53.37 | kabars_edge | becker_11: your fstab is trying to mount /dev/sdb1 as a ntfs-3g file system |
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| 04:56.26 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: yeah your right but I've also tried manual mounting and it's telling me it's ntfs I was almost sure it was ext .... keeps saying ntfs sig is missing |
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| 04:56.47 | kabars_edge | change the fstab and try to mount via mount -a |
| 04:56.58 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: or is that problem caused by the fstab file? |
| 04:57.07 | kabars_edge | that's what I'm thinking |
| 04:57.16 | kabars_edge | it probably supercedes, but I'm honestly not sure |
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| 04:58.07 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: okay I've commented out both lines to do with both the external drives |
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| 04:58.58 | Masterdev | okay I just did usb boot drive with YUMI + debian |
| 04:59.06 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: when I try and mount ext3 it says wrong filesystem type and ntfs it says sig file missing |
| 04:59.36 | Masterdev | okay I just did usb boot drive with YUMI + debian when I restart comes screen saying "boot:" |
| 04:59.38 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: MOUNTED! it's ext4 not ext3 |
| 04:59.45 | Masterdev | what shoulI type there |
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| 05:00.01 | Masterdev | any1 |
| 05:00.24 | kabars_edge | Masterdev: sorry, you're dealing with something I have no experience with |
| 05:00.40 | Masterdev | ok 10x |
| 05:00.41 | Masterdev | :\ |
| 05:00.53 | karlpinc | Masterdev: Press the enter key? |
| 05:01.12 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: okay final question what would the correct entries be for my fstab file? |
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| 05:01.27 | Masterdev | karlpinc: trying this... sec. |
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| 05:02.34 | Masterdev | Then loads the window with YUMI Multiboot usb, but there are no linux distributions |
| 05:03.12 | vivanov | cant make chroium play youtube -- neither gnash nor flashplugin-nonfree work --any ideas? |
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| 05:03.59 | Masterdev | karlpinc Then loads the window with YUMI Multiboot usb, but there are no linux distributions |
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| 05:06.32 | Masterdev | Then loads the window with YUMI Multiboot usb, but there are no linux distributions |
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| 05:06.55 | Masterdev | When I type any path it says could not find kernel image |
| 05:08.08 | vivanov | nevermind -- works now |
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| 05:08.48 | kabars_edge | becker_11: Try this: |
| 05:08.48 | kabars_edge | /dev/sdc1 /media/storage ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 05:08.48 | kabars_edge | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb1 ext4 defaults 0 0 |
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| 05:11.29 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: thanks and thankyou for taking the time to work through this with me. Do you get to go home soon? |
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| 05:11.55 | kabars_edge | becker_11: I finished my work two hours ago, I was just hanging to help you |
| 05:12.25 | kabars_edge | becker_11: did those fstab entries work? |
| 05:13.33 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I added them and saved the file how do I check? umount and mount again?? |
| 05:13.53 | kabars_edge | umount those disks then run a mount -a |
| 05:15.05 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: yes they worked! Hey thanks for staying back just to help me I really appreciate it |
| 05:15.37 | iAmerikan | simonlnu -- do I need postfix for exim+dovecot? |
| 05:15.49 | becker_11 | +1 kabars_edge |
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| 05:17.07 | kabars_edge | becker_11: anytime man, that's what we Debian purists are here for, hell, I've been doing this for 15 years, the least I can do is share the knowledge and while I like getting people moved from any other distro to Debian, I absolutely love moving people away from Windoze to Debian |
| 05:18.00 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: I made the switch full time 18 months ago this lappie came with win7 & never booted the first time it had power it was installing linux |
| 05:18.29 | kabars_edge | jump over to PM for a sec |
| 05:18.44 | becker_11 | kabars_edge: can you initiate? |
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| 05:19.57 | lemar9 | good evening! does anyone know how to make the kill-flash chromium plugin to block google ads? |
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| 05:25.58 | kabars_edge | lemar9: forward slash join #channel |
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| 05:26.32 | lemar9 | sorry I pressed <enter> without verifying |
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| 05:30.45 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: No. postfix and exim do the same thing. (I prefer postfix myself. If you're just using debconf to configure them it shouldn't matter which you choose.) |
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| 05:32.41 | slie | I'm going to set up a dual boot and have a partition for windows and Linux to share can it be NTFS or should i just set it to FAT32? |
| 05:33.00 | kabars_edge | slie: you can do NTFS |
| 05:33.10 | iAmerikan | karlpinc -- to be honest, I'm not familiar w/ debconf |
| 05:33.25 | iAmerikan | and I can't seam to login, the user:pw is never right.. |
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| 05:34.01 | kabars_edge | slie: apt-get install ntfs-3g ntfsprogs libntfs10 libntfs-3g75 |
| 05:34.42 | slie | kabars_edge, cool thanks which would you think is better? |
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| 05:35.25 | kabars_edge | slie: ntfs is a better filesystem, but vfat support in Linux is better, but I have a NTFS partition and I have no issues mounting and writing to it |
| 05:35.50 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: debconf is what asks you questions when you install the package or do dpkg-reconfigure on it. |
| 05:35.52 | iAmerikan | Do you have to edit a host file for email? |
| 05:36.16 | iAmerikan | like sshd needs to be in hosts.allow |
| 05:36.17 | slie | kabars_edge, thank's don't normally mess with dindows |
| 05:36.20 | kabars_edge | karlpinc & iAmerikan: Qmail the only way to go |
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| 05:36.48 | iAmerikan | kabars_edge -- looking for a simple setup. Isn't qmail hard to get started w/? |
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| 05:37.09 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: If you want to do something simple they're all simple. |
| 05:37.17 | kabars_edge | iAmerikan: I don't know, it's all I use, so I can't really compare it to anything else |
| 05:37.35 | iAmerikan | Gotcha. It's not using that gets me, it's the configuration |
| 05:38.01 | kabars_edge | iAmerikan: Is it going to sending mail locally or is this going to be an active internet mail relay? |
| 05:38.15 | iAmerikan | kabars_edge -- active |
| 05:38.23 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: sshd does not have to be in hosts.allow. |
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| 05:38.45 | iAmerikan | karlpinc -- oh.. that's probably on a different distro.. |
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| 05:39.08 | kabars_edge | iAmerikan: Then I would definitely run Qmail, it might be a little harder getting started, but it's the most secure MTA out there |
| 05:39.13 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: And hosts.allow is completely different from /etc/hosts. |
| 05:39.23 | iAmerikan | I know :) |
| 05:39.24 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: I'd contest that. |
| 05:39.53 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: based on what? and what's more secure? |
| 05:40.49 | slie | should i use 87 or 86 for ntfs |
| 05:41.13 | kabars_edge | slie: are you talking about fs types in fdisk? |
| 05:41.25 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: Based on design principals, and, seemingly practice. Postfix is highly modular and each bit is secured. You can ask on #postfix if you want to pursue it. I'm not interested. |
| 05:41.35 | iAmerikan | kabars_edge -- what do you use besides qmail? |
| 05:41.44 | slie | kabars_edge, yes sorry |
| 05:41.56 | iAmerikan | for smtp? |
| 05:42.03 | slie | kabars_edge, i see no difference in label |
| 05:42.12 | kabars_edge | exit |
| 05:42.26 | kabars_edge | sry, 1 sec |
| 05:42.34 | iAmerikan | I mean for imap |
| 05:42.36 | iAmerikan | or pop |
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| 05:43.10 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: And qmail is non-free, so while it can be installed and run on debian using debian's package management it's not really part of debian. |
| 05:43.50 | kabars_edge | slie: FYI, while APT is great, and I live and die by it, if you're installing a mail server, I would argue that it should be compiled from source |
| 05:43.51 | warp0x00 | qmail is a pain in the butt |
| 05:45.02 | slie | kabars_edge, Hey, I think you have the wrong guy haha i'm talking about the difference between 86 and 87 on fdisk ntfs |
| 05:45.09 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: cyrus for massive imap usage. dovecot for more simple stuff. |
| 05:45.18 | iAmerikan | So, I want to be able to send and recieve mail from my server. I have dovecot and evince installed |
| 05:45.28 | kabars_edge | slie: you're right, that was for Karl |
| 05:45.29 | nsadmin2 | I found configuring qmail a breeze once I understood it |
| 05:45.45 | iAmerikan | But I can't login, but they're runnin |
| 05:45.46 | kabars_edge | nsadmin2: I completely agree |
| 05:46.40 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: I'd disagree. Anything running in production usage should have system's integration and security support behind it. That (usually) means using a distro's packages. Recompiling just introduces another step/delay. Of course there can be exceptions to this rule, you may have good reasons. |
| 05:46.52 | karlpinc | s/packages/binary packages/ |
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| 05:47.48 | kabars_edge | for whoever asked, when I build mail servers, I use qmail w/ dovecot |
| 05:48.52 | karlpinc | iAmerikan: Not being able to login is a different problem. |
| 05:49.03 | iAmerikan | karlpinc -- I see that |
| 05:49.10 | iAmerikan | karlpinc -- I think i'll come back to it tomorrow |
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| 05:50.00 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: I would agree with that except for the mail server, because when you build something that critical, you're going to have to give it special flags when you compile, which the binaries do not come with |
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| 05:50.56 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: I don't have to do that with postfix. ;-) |
| 05:53.27 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: which DB is the Debian postfix designed to run off of? And then you have to add middleman libraries to make it work with others, right? Well, if you compile it from source you can compile to use your choice of DB natively, with no plugin or middle-man libraries |
| 05:54.36 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: DB for what? The address db? |
| 05:55.11 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: all MTA's use some kind of backend DB or flat file system for stortage |
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| 05:55.38 | kabars_edge | you can use MySql, BDB, Protgresql, all for Postfix |
| 05:56.06 | kabars_edge | however, if you don't compile it with support, you're going to end using 3rd party libs as an api for Postfix to talk to it |
| 05:57.58 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: additionally, if you're supporting a large organization, performance is key, and you're always going to get better performance out of a compiled program versus a binary |
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| 05:59.02 | ansgar | kabars_edge: "compiled program versus a binary"? |
| 05:59.10 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: I think it comes with db, dbm, cdb, and sdbm. There's also ldap mysql and postgres libraries that are part of postfix but packaged separately by debian. |
| 05:59.13 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: however, I see it both ways, if I'm building a canned email server for a lawyers officer with 20 users, I'm using the binaries. It makes it easier to patch and less of a hassle to build, plus, small businesses need to save every penny |
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| 05:59.40 | kabars_edge | sorry, not binary, but package, I need to go to sleep |
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| 06:00.46 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: What you say is only true if you believe that you know more about the program that the people who package it for debian. (Although less modular programs can require some compile time flags to rip out uneeded stuff.) |
| 06:01.38 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: I wouldn't say I know it better, but if my knowledge base isn't at least comparable, I shouldn't be doing what I do for a living |
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| 06:02.27 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: anyway, I'm UTC -5, so it's like 02:00, I need sleep, we can chat more later |
| 06:02.31 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: Unless you produce something measureably better it's not worth the time and is another place to introduce errors and oddities that appear nowhere but on your box. |
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| 06:02.47 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: Sleep. What's that? |
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| 06:04.06 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: that is the whole point of compiling from source, to produce something that is measurably better from a performance standpoint, and something that is more targeted from the application standpoint. Additionally by compiling without unneeded attributes it becomes more secure as well |
| 06:04.17 | kabars_edge | but as I said, I see it both ways |
| 06:04.34 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: I think we more or less violently agree. |
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| 06:05.17 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: I fully agree with that statement. nonetheless, been great chatting with you but I'm off of here, I've got to be back in 7 hours. |
| 06:05.32 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: what TZ are you in? |
| 06:05.41 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: The nice thing about postfix is the modular nature means that you don't have to compile to disable uneeded components. |
| 06:06.04 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: -6 at the moment. I think. |
| 06:06.24 | kabars_edge | karlpinc: you in the US? |
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| 06:06.32 | karlpinc | kabars_edge: Chicago. |
| 06:06.45 | kabars_edge | I love Chi-town. |
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| 06:07.21 | kabars_edge | The Shedd is awesome! |
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| 06:30.01 | lazka | Is there a way to force dkms to build all modules? |
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| 06:47.47 | kolor | hi |
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| 06:48.07 | kolor | how do i add sid to sources.list on squeezE? |
| 06:49.59 | timo | kolor: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free", or whatever mirror is closest to you |
| 06:50.31 | timo | kolor: and you probably want to add to /etc/apt/apt.conf this: APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; |
| 06:50.39 | timo | kolor: so you don't upgrade your whole system to sid |
| 06:50.56 | claint | kolor: you might want to read about apt pinning as well. |
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| 06:50.57 | warp0x00 | totally sidular |
| 06:50.58 | kolor | thanks that worked |
| 06:51.40 | warp0x00 | im running wheezy on my laptop because the hardware is just too new |
| 06:51.44 | kolor | timo, is that allright I dont have this file ? i will create that |
| 06:51.51 | timo | kolor: yes, just create it |
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| 06:52.59 | timo | kolor: and read http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 06:54.00 | kolor | great, thanks |
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| 06:54.27 | haso | Virtualbox, Debian wheezy (testing), network install. After boot - only 127.0.0.1 active. missing eth0 ??? (other VMs work) |
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| 06:56.08 | timo | the other day I experimented with installing Mediatomb from testing (I'm running squeeze), but it kept crashing. I guess I'll try compiling it from source next |
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| 06:56.26 | simonlnu | or |
| 06:56.28 | simonlnu | !ssb |
| 06:56.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 06:56.36 | timo | it's not in backports :/ |
| 06:56.58 | simonlnu | read the whole factoid |
| 06:57.18 | warp0x00 | !uupdate |
| 06:57.19 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 06:57.26 | warp0x00 | wjoa |
| 06:57.29 | warp0x00 | cool |
| 06:58.10 | timo | simonlnu: ah, there's an easier way to create the debs. thanks. |
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| 06:58.22 | wathek | Hi all |
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| 06:58.42 | timo | I was going to go for dpkg-buildpackage or something similar |
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| 06:59.25 | wathek | I got a problem I just installed Debian Wheezy on my new laptop Asus N53S and when it starts I got the login screen but the keyboard and the mouse don't work |
| 07:00.27 | warp0x00 | im running wheezy on my Asus N53SV |
| 07:00.35 | warp0x00 | no problems like tht |
| 07:00.57 | warp0x00 | try adding nouveau to the blacklist |
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| 07:03.47 | wathek | warp0x00, really ! |
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| 07:03.57 | warp0x00 | heck yeah |
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| 07:04.11 | warp0x00 | dont expect your nv card to work in linux |
| 07:04.11 | warp0x00 | ever |
| 07:05.04 | wathek | warp0x00, ok I should add nouveau to the blacklist ? |
| 07:05.14 | warp0x00 | yeah |
| 07:05.15 | wathek | I don't understand well |
| 07:05.43 | warp0x00 | edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
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| 07:06.01 | warp0x00 | and add a line "blacklist nouveau" |
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| 07:06.08 | wathek | ok |
| 07:06.25 | wathek | I start in rescue mode |
| 07:07.30 | wathek | warp0x00, and in that file I add blacklist nouveau ? |
| 07:07.32 | wathek | ok |
| 07:07.39 | warp0x00 | yes |
| 07:07.40 | wathek | sorry I did read your message |
| 07:07.40 | wathek | :p |
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| 07:11.09 | kolor | Checking for program g++ or c++ : not found |
| 07:11.12 | kolor | what do I have to install ? |
| 07:11.21 | simonlnu | !b-e kolor |
| 07:11.21 | dpkg | kolor: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 07:11.39 | kolor | thanks |
| 07:11.40 | wathek | warp0x00, that doesn't change anything |
| 07:11.49 | warp0x00 | wathek, hmm ok |
| 07:12.02 | warp0x00 | can you ctrl+alt+f1 from the login screen |
| 07:12.07 | wathek | warp0x00, it's strange cause I got startpar: service(s) returned ailure: udev failed |
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| 07:12.10 | warp0x00 | should give you a text login |
| 07:12.13 | warp0x00 | whoa |
| 07:12.19 | warp0x00 | something is wrong there |
| 07:12.22 | wathek | warp0x00, I don't have a problem with X |
| 07:12.37 | simonlnu | wathek: startpar thinks udev failed to start |
| 07:12.46 | warp0x00 | yeah i have no clue |
| 07:12.48 | wathek | warp0x00, it shows me the login form it's ok but the mouse and the keyboard don't work |
| 07:12.54 | simonlnu | wathek: check your process table (with ps) |
| 07:12.58 | warp0x00 | but wheesy works fine on my N53SV |
| 07:13.11 | wathek | warp0x00, I think it's an N53SV too |
| 07:13.25 | simonlnu | wheezy |
| 07:13.26 | wathek | simonlnu, and then ? |
| 07:13.50 | simonlnu | see if it really is or not? should be obvious ;) |
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| 07:17.50 | ethanol | is there a limit to the amount of up and/or down rules you can add to an interface in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 07:19.23 | ethanol | http://pastebin.com/fBmPVQLb why does this fail? |
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| 07:24.44 | levi501d | I'm getting 24GB of ram for my box, anyone know some good articles they would recommend for optimizing performance, such as removing swap |
| 07:24.52 | Sw33NY | hi all |
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| 07:25.14 | kolor | anyone can advise me on ULIMIT -s ? |
| 07:25.25 | wathek | it makes me mad !!! |
| 07:25.28 | wathek | I'm reinstalling |
| 07:25.51 | kolor | i've been having problem starting apache2 yesterday, so I found solution to change ulimit -s .... I've been ahving 8192 and changed to 1024 - apache started ok |
| 07:26.06 | kolor | but now I can't compile because thread cant be created.. have to stop apache2 to do that |
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| 07:27.44 | ethanol | my debian install has been bitching lately about locales not being set. even when I do dpkg-reconfigure locales it still throws errors about that afterwards. how can I fix this? http://pastebin.com/3ShVqrUN |
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| 07:29.52 | mtx_init | ethanol: which locale did you set it to work with? |
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| 07:30.15 | mtx_init | just choose the 1 |
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| 07:31.03 | ethanol | I always use en_US.UTF-8 |
| 07:31.06 | ethanol | for everything |
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| 07:32.46 | mtx_init | ethanol: did you set the deafault? |
| 07:33.04 | mtx_init | Generating locales (this might take a while)... |
| 07:33.04 | mtx_init | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.04 | mtx_init | Generation complete. |
| 07:33.11 | mtx_init | that should be the resonse you get |
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| 07:34.13 | ethanol | I did |
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| 07:34.24 | ethanol | but `locale` still shows a discrepancy |
| 07:34.30 | ethanol | anyway, I just added LANG= and LC_ALL= to my .profile and exported those, seems to fix it :\ |
| 07:34.40 | mtx_init | ok good |
| 07:34.54 | ethanol | could I set those on a system wide base or? |
| 07:35.02 | ethanol | in /etc/bash.bashrc perhaps? |
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| 07:35.34 | mtx_init | ethanol: yeah in /etc/profile |
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| 07:36.18 | ronny | hi |
| 07:36.36 | ethanol | ah thanks mtx_init |
| 07:37.17 | mtx_init | np |
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| 07:39.02 | jelly-home | ethanol: the correct place to set global locale settings is /etc/default/locale, /msg dpkg locales |
| 07:39.19 | ethanol | oh |
| 07:39.37 | ethanol | well LANG is set there |
| 07:39.39 | ethanol | but LC_ALL is not |
| 07:40.02 | jelly-home | typically you don't want to force LC_ALL |
| 07:40.05 | ethanol | I had to |
| 07:40.12 | ethanol | cause I kept getting errors like "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" |
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| 07:40.18 | ethanol | when I tried to view manpages |
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| 07:40.47 | jelly-home | ethanol: what did your "locale" command output? |
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| 07:41.09 | jelly-home | before setting LC_ALL, that is |
| 07:41.15 | ethanol | let me remove the exports and see if that 'breaks' it again |
| 07:41.48 | ethanol | http://pastebin.com/GYkuJMYX |
| 07:42.05 | ethanol | it seems to pick en_AG for messages, but I don't have that locale |
| 07:42.27 | ethanol | and I don't know why it sets that to en_AG |
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| 07:49.19 | ethanol | jelly-home: any clue? |
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| 07:52.38 | Darkbulb | neither su - nor su root seem to do the trick |
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| 07:56.34 | Sw33NY | it's possible to cut file 2GB with 'tar czvf' commands ? |
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| 08:00.39 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 08:07.41 | macrobat | !es |
| 08:07.42 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 08:08.49 | kolor | hey! i've been having problem starting apache2 yesterday, something with threads.. so I found solution to change ulimit -s .... I've been having 8192 and changed to 1024 - apache started ok |
| 08:09.01 | kolor | now today I couldnt start node server and was having 8192 again |
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| 08:15.27 | wathek | I've reinstalled Debian Wheezy when it shows the loggin screen (GDM) the keyboard and the mouse don't work |
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| 08:15.36 | wathek | any idea how can I do ? |
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| 08:16.08 | casts | wathek: install stable? |
| 08:16.24 | wathek | casts, I need wheezy to have Qt 4.7.2 |
| 08:16.52 | casts | bs |
| 08:16.59 | wathek | bs ? |
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| 08:17.28 | casts | it's an abbreviation for "no, you don't" |
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| 08:18.06 | wathek | casts huh ?! |
| 08:18.18 | wathek | casts, ok I'm gonna install stable |
| 08:18.19 | wathek | :p |
| 08:18.26 | casts | it's stable :) |
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| 08:19.09 | wathek | casts, I'll have just to create a boot usb |
| 08:19.37 | wathek | casts, I should be able to do that using dd shouldn't I ? I mean dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX |
| 08:19.57 | casts | sure |
| 08:20.11 | casts | you could also "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX' |
| 08:20.15 | catsup | what |
| 08:20.17 | catsup | oh |
| 08:20.27 | catsup | to create a usb installer |
| 08:20.48 | wathek | catsup, yes for netinstall |
| 08:21.03 | catsup | i missed a line and read <wathek> casts, ok I'm gonna install stable <wathek> casts, I should be able to do that using dd shouldn't I ? I mean dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX <casts> sure |
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| 08:21.20 | wathek | ah Ok |
| 08:21.35 | wathek | casts, and I've only to take the netinstall iso |
| 08:21.42 | wathek | there's no specific iso for usb |
| 08:21.43 | wathek | ? |
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| 08:22.41 | casts | yip |
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| 08:22.47 | casts | it'll probably boot |
| 08:22.49 | casts | neat huh |
| 08:23.07 | wathek | ok thank you |
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| 08:29.37 | wathek | casts, I don't understand after booting on my USB key it asks me for the CD |
| 08:29.52 | casts | hmm, well that's no good |
| 08:29.54 | casts | let me rtfm |
| 08:30.33 | casts | do you have an option to continue anyway? |
| 08:30.40 | ectospasm | I've never gotten the "dd if=bootable.iso of=/dev/sdX" method of making the USB key bootable to work. |
| 08:30.46 | casts | oh. |
| 08:30.57 | casts | have you ever gotten a bootable usb image to work? |
| 08:31.04 | wathek | lol |
| 08:31.04 | ectospasm | I use unetbootin |
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| 08:31.30 | wathek | casts, I got the list of the steps |
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| 08:33.27 | wathek | casts, 1- Choose Language 2- Configure Keyboard 3- Detect and Mount CD 4- Load install components from CD 5- Change question priority configuration 6- Check CD |
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| 08:33.42 | wathek | 7- backup debug logs |
| 08:33.56 | wathek | 8- Execute Shell 9- Stop Installation |
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| 08:35.01 | SPF | ectospasm: what about cat bootable.iso > /dev/sdX;sync ? |
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| 08:36.04 | ectospasm | SPF: I've never tried that, but afaict that's functionally equivalent to the dd method. |
| 08:36.21 | RichiH | how can i force udev to reread my /proc/partitions and expose a new drive? |
| 08:36.24 | ectospasm | ...unless I need to remember to sync after using dd |
| 08:36.31 | RichiH | or shoudl i just mknod it and forget about it |
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| 08:38.42 | passwordoff | Is there any difference between using backports and testing distributive? |
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| 08:41.15 | jelly-home | RichiH: a new drive, or a new partition? |
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| 08:42.03 | jelly-home | RichiH: if it's visible in /proc/partitions, "udevadm trigger" ought to pick it up |
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| 08:42.30 | mah454 | How i can sure disk quota enabled in partition ? |
| 08:42.33 | wathek | casts, I think that it doesn't recognize my network card |
| 08:42.50 | wathek | it's strange I got RTL8111/8168B |
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| 08:43.50 | casts | mmm |
| 08:43.58 | RichiH | jelly: i destroyed a hardware raid, put in new disks and reinitialized it |
| 08:44.01 | casts | maybe do a minimal install without networking |
| 08:44.06 | RichiH | it's in partitions, but there is no /dev |
| 08:44.15 | casts | boos at HW raid |
| 08:44.50 | RichiH | jelly: ta |
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| 08:45.18 | RichiH | jelly: hmm, now it shows up with the old size |
| 08:45.36 | RichiH | god, i hate raid manufacturers |
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| 08:46.04 | jelly-home | RichiH: consult your documentation |
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| 08:47.00 | RichiH | jelly-home: it's an areca controller |
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| 08:47.50 | RichiH | jelly-home: in case that doesn't tell you anything: there is no documentation to speak of and the little that exists is breaking international anti-war regulations |
| 08:48.50 | ectospasm | mah454: look into the quota and quotatool packages. |
| 08:49.56 | mah454 | I use this command "quotacheck -v /dev/sdaX" but receive this message "quotacheck: Old group file not found." |
| 08:50.06 | mah454 | ectospasm I use this command "quotacheck -v /dev/sdaX" but receive this message "quotacheck: Old group file not found." |
| 08:50.24 | ectospasm | mah454: I don't know, I don't use quotas |
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| 08:50.53 | ectospasm | mah454: was the filesystem mounted with quotas enabled? |
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| 08:51.40 | mah454 | YES ... |
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| 08:51.56 | ectospasm | then you'll have to google for an answer |
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| 08:53.24 | mah454 | already use this idea ;) |
| 08:53.28 | ectospasm | mah454: did you run quotaon? |
| 08:53.47 | mah454 | yes ... |
| 08:54.23 | ectospasm | note that quotacheck needs to be run on a mountpoint (like "quotacheck -vm /"), not a device (afaict) |
| 08:55.05 | mah454 | i only add usrquota in fstab . but receive this message "quotacheck: Old group file not found." |
| 08:55.10 | mah454 | what is Old group ? |
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| 08:56.30 | ectospasm | http://symlink.dk/linux/config/quota/ |
| 08:57.27 | mah454 | I already view this site :D |
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| 08:57.41 | mah454 | ectospasm tnx :) |
| 08:57.54 | ectospasm | my reading of that is that quotacheck will create the necessary group file when it completes. |
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| 09:03.31 | jelly | RichiH: did you try rescanning it? Does /proc/partitions show correct size? |
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| 09:06.37 | RichiH | jelly: echo -- â- â -â > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan |
| 09:06.37 | RichiH | -bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument |
| 09:06.49 | RichiH | i.e. yes |
| 09:07.45 | jelly | that's not yes, that "kernel didn't accept that syntax" |
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| 09:08.50 | jelly | also your irc client is wreaking havoc with pasted-in quotes and hyphens |
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| 09:09.18 | jelly | what about echoing 0 0 0 instead |
| 09:09.28 | casts | indeed |
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| 09:11.54 | ethanol | jelly: can you comment on my locales issue any further, or? |
| 09:11.56 | Iridos | hehe "" |
| 09:12.32 | RichiH | jelly: ugh yes, i copy and pasted the quotes and they weren't ", but â and i didn't even see it with my font |
| 09:12.43 | RichiH | fwiw, "0 0 0" is being accepted, but it doesn't help |
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| 09:14.40 | jelly | ethanol: not really, figure out where that LC_MESSAGES settings is coming from |
| 09:15.12 | ethanol | jelly: I tried (using rgrep), no success :( |
| 09:15.33 | jelly | ethanol: gdm/kdm login screen choice? |
| 09:15.46 | esto | good morning i'm making a preseed file for installer in usb but i dont know the name of the device of the hdd on the pcs will be installed, how should i set in the preseed file that uses the other disk not the usb one? |
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| 09:15.53 | jelly | would be unusual for it to set just LC_MESSAGES |
| 09:16.10 | ethanol | jelly: no x on this server |
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| 09:16.48 | Iridos | RichiH, actually, echo "- - - " > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan is accepted fine for syntax on my squeeze |
| 09:17.17 | jelly | Iridos: that's because you're not using silly typographic quotes or long hyphens |
| 09:17.29 | Iridos | :) |
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| 09:18.02 | Iridos | well... neither did he if you're right and it was changed by the client on copy&paste |
| 09:18.17 | jelly | ethanol: oh well. you could just unset LC_MESSAGES |
| 09:18.48 | ethanol | jelly: would that prevent these top errors? http://pastebin.com/GYkuJMYX |
| 09:19.02 | Iridos | admittedly, if I was a kernel, I wouldn't accept - - either |
| 09:19.14 | jelly | ethanol: using valid locale settings would, yes |
| 09:19.28 | Iridos | RichiH, bashs echo doesn't need -- to ignore "- - -" |
| 09:19.38 | jelly | bash drools |
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| 09:19.59 | Iridos | jelly drools |
| 09:20.05 | Iridos | but wazzat to do with anything |
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| 09:20.17 | jelly | he might not be using bash |
| 09:20.38 | jelly | but might be copy-pasting from a wordpress blog |
| 09:21.13 | jelly | it prettifies quotes |
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| 09:24.55 | Iridos | yeah...I found echo « - - » > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan on a french one |
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| 09:26.23 | Iridos | drools all over jelly |
| 09:26.53 | jelly | well at least it's symmetric |
| 09:27.09 | Iridos | looks like a japanese smiley |
| 09:27.14 | Iridos | « - - » |
| 09:27.18 | Iridos | ear warmers? |
| 09:27.37 | ethanol | d-_-b |
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| 09:31.20 | kolor | what is this guys ? |
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| 09:32.18 | Iridos | looks like an error message to me |
| 09:32.21 | erAbuelo | ta lueg |
| 09:35.48 | Iridos | fsck your drive? |
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| 09:39.05 | Sw33NY | it's possible to compress into serveral parts ? |
| 09:39.30 | Sw33NY | with 'tar' command ? |
| 09:40.40 | Phil-Work | Sw33NY, not directly - you'd need to use split |
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| 09:40.51 | vtts | Sw33NY, check -M |
| 09:40.52 | Phil-Work | google for creating multi part tar files |
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| 09:41.03 | casts | Phil-Work: no you don't @ split |
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| 09:42.07 | Sw33NY | ok i go to search it, thanks |
| 09:42.23 | RichiH | Iridos: i know, but i got into the habbit of using -- extensively |
| 09:43.32 | Iridos | RichiH, well, but |
| 09:43.39 | Iridos | echo -- "- - -" |
| 09:43.51 | Iridos | results in -- - - - |
| 09:44.49 | Iridos | casts, what's wrong with using split |
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| 09:45.08 | RichiH | Iridos: huh, yah |
| 09:45.15 | RichiH | hides |
| 09:45.28 | casts | Iridos: nothing. |
| 09:46.03 | Iridos | "<casts> Phil-Work: no you don't @ split"??? |
| 09:46.23 | Phil-Work | casts, I guess I was doing it wrong but as far I was aware, -M was designed for use with -L for tape volumes |
| 09:46.37 | Phil-Work | and you can't do incrementing file names |
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| 09:47.36 | Iridos | yeah... I just tried -M... not such a splendid idea |
| 09:48.02 | Iridos | a) can't use compressed archives b) seems to write into the same file |
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| 09:50.51 | casts | $ tar --create --tape-length=5000 --multi-volume --file part1.tar --file part2.tar gnucash-2.4.2.tar.bz2 |
| 09:50.54 | casts | worked fine |
| 09:51.19 | Iridos | ... |
| 09:51.45 | Iridos | --file part99.tar --file part100.tar |
| 09:52.04 | Iridos | well, interesting that it does do that nonetheless :) |
| 09:52.10 | casts | i'm not saying not to use split, or that there's anything wrong with split |
| 09:53.00 | Iridos | I would recommend using zip and zipsplit ... |
| 09:53.21 | Iridos | that's probably more compatible with the windows world, too, if the need ever arises |
| 09:53.37 | casts | zip sucks |
| 09:54.03 | casts | unfortunately we don't really know what the OP was trying to do |
| 09:54.06 | Iridos | not as much as this, though |
| 09:54.14 | esto | anyone have some idea to create a presseded installer booted from usb that installs always in the first hdd? not in the usb one that is detected as hdd |
| 09:54.43 | casts | compressed....tar.....i'm not sure if hes trying to compress and split a single file, or a collection of files, or even if he's using the term compress correctly |
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| 09:55.34 | Sw33NY | thanks all i find :) |
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| 09:56.36 | kenifanying | hi all. I have two Gmail accounts, I can configure exim4 to send email via smtp with one accounts, but i don't how to use both accounts. I can do it easily with msmtp, but i want to learn more about exim4. So, any suggestions? |
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| 09:57.11 | Sw33NY | i did tar -cvf - myfolder | split -b 1000m - mynamecompressfile.tar :) it working fine |
| 09:57.37 | casts | also keep in mind tar --multi-volume and split have slightly, but possibly important, differences in the results |
| 09:58.15 | casts | but anyway..... |
| 09:58.54 | Sw33NY | ok, good thanks casts |
| 09:59.02 | casts | Sw33NY: i don't see any compression in there, at least in a lz* sense |
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| 10:01.45 | Sw33NY | casts: i dont understand ... Uu |
| 10:01.49 | deno | hi there |
| 10:01.55 | Sw33NY | hi deno |
| 10:02.08 | deno | do you know how can I make a hdmi projector work? |
| 10:02.21 | deno | I'm on debian and using a laptop |
| 10:02.35 | deno | do I need any special driver or the kernel provides it? |
| 10:03.12 | Sw33NY | .. :/ |
| 10:03.18 | casts | Sw33NY: the tar format is a way of storing several files in a continous stream, if those files happened to be 50GB of ASCII, the tar file will be of a similar size. |
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| 10:03.34 | Sw33NY | casts: no problem for that |
| 10:03.56 | Sw33NY | casts: just want put all files in one |
| 10:04.01 | casts | Sw33NY: traditionally people will then compress their tar archive, though gnu tar being nice offers you --lzma, -j, -z, so you don't have to type as much |
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| 10:07.54 | morn__ | deno: depends on your graphics adapter built into your laptop |
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| 10:09.10 | benno2 | Hi any idea why this file on debian squeeze is 800MB and growing constantly ? .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/soprano-virtuoso.db currently 800MB |
| 10:09.43 | deno | morn__, uhm |
| 10:10.20 | deno | I whould have a nvidia geforce 9600 |
| 10:11.50 | ectospasm | deno: you may need to install the non-free nvidia drivers to get the HDMI port working |
| 10:13.01 | ectospasm | deno: but then again, that may not be true |
| 10:13.14 | morn__ | i guess that this card (i think its not the newest) is supported by the proprietary nvidia drivers. if you install them, it is likely to work |
| 10:13.34 | deno | uhm |
| 10:13.35 | deno | ok |
| 10:13.43 | deno | I can try |
| 10:13.46 | ectospasm | deno: I was able to install Debian squeeze amd64 on my nvidia GeForce 8200, and the HDMI port worked fine before I installed the non-free drivers |
| 10:13.48 | deno | thank you guys :) |
| 10:14.10 | ectospasm | of course, the 8200 was onboard graphics, so YMMV |
| 10:14.37 | deno | ectospasm, the non-free drivers are you are speaking about are the normal N900 NVIDIA drivers downloadable from their website? |
| 10:15.10 | deno | ps do you know if is possible to project just a window (specifically, created with opencv) ? |
| 10:15.12 | ectospasm | deno: no, the non-free nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages |
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| 10:15.21 | deno | ah ok |
| 10:15.33 | ectospasm | !tell deno about non-free |
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| 10:16.54 | deno | thx very much |
| 10:16.58 | deno | I will try it :) |
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| 10:19.07 | as001 | hi my cron is not working as I expected |
| 10:19.42 | casts | pastebin crontab -l |
| 10:20.45 | as001 | http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 10:20.59 | as001 | all works except: * * * * * /usr/bin/perl /root/perl/uptime.pl |
| 10:21.28 | casts | wrong link yo |
| 10:21.44 | as001 | this script needs to write uptime in file but nothing happends despite I can see CRON in syslog |
| 10:21.45 | as001 | http://pastebin.ca/2048938 |
| 10:21.47 | as001 | sorry |
| 10:22.19 | as001 | when i invoke script from command line it works |
| 10:22.28 | casts | so are you confident the perl script /isn't/ even called? |
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| 10:23.01 | as001 | I don' t know I can see in syslog CRON line but nothing in file. |
| 10:23.33 | Bundestrojaner | hello |
| 10:23.49 | casts | and what is in /root/perl/uptime.pl? |
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| 10:23.52 | as001 | this should mean cron called script /USR/SBIN/CRON[22382]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/perl /root/perl/uptime.pl) |
| 10:24.18 | Bundestrojaner | i read yesterday about debian-installations on many new smart phones for Android |
| 10:24.22 | Bundestrojaner | how's that possible? |
| 10:24.25 | as001 | just calculating date time in date time format and uptime command and writing it in file |
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| 10:24.56 | casts | does it presume any environmental variables that may not be set when cron invokes it? |
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| 10:26.01 | as001 | I think no here is script http://pastebin.ca/2048939 |
| 10:26.39 | ectospasm | Bundestrojaner: got a link? |
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| 10:28.16 | casts | as001: where is the CWD? |
| 10:28.29 | as001 | CWD ? |
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| 10:29.08 | casts | current working directory |
| 10:29.24 | as001 | script is in /root/perl/ |
| 10:29.43 | casts | thats not the answer |
| 10:29.45 | Iridos | and how do you know that it "doesn't work" |
| 10:30.09 | ectospasm | casts: you mean $PWD |
| 10:30.18 | ectospasm | ("Present Working Directory") |
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| 10:31.20 | casts | ectospasm: ahh, yes :) |
| 10:31.30 | Iridos | it's a perl script... there's cwd() |
| 10:31.30 | casts | though, in the pwd command what does p stand for? |
| 10:31.50 | Bundestrojaner | ectospasm: http://android.galoula.com/en/LinuxInstall/ |
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| 10:31.56 | Bundestrojaner | that's the best hit i've found |
| 10:32.41 | casts | i switch between cwd and pwd, not sure why, not sure which people are more familar with, mmm |
| 10:32.44 | Bundestrojaner | my motivation is: i want the possibilities of Linux on my phone. My big hope was Symbian with QT-Support, but now Nokia is dealing with the devil... |
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| 10:33.08 | Iridos | android uses a linux kernel |
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| 10:33.28 | casts | as001: just specify a full path instead, >> /root/perl/uptime.txt |
| 10:33.48 | as001 | ok |
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| 10:34.17 | ectospasm | Bundestrojaner: it's effectively dual booting Debian(esque) on the phone |
| 10:34.23 | ectospasm | ...that's how it works |
| 10:34.52 | ecksun | Is it possible to run apt through a socks proxy? |
| 10:34.52 | ectospasm | It probably resizes the Android partition, partitions the free space, and installs Debian there |
| 10:34.54 | Iridos | a lot of the hardware won't work if you boot from a debian kernel |
| 10:35.30 | Iridos | it's the same with nokias N900... that uses maemo, a debian clone... if you want debian on it it's best to install it in a chroot |
| 10:36.10 | Iridos | there's all kinds of rather special hardware in it, which stock kernels won't support |
| 10:37.00 | catsup | ecksun: yea |
| 10:37.17 | ecksun | catsup, how? :) |
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| 10:38.59 | darkwood | hmm, why debiant 5.x isnt updejting repo in time? |
| 10:39.19 | darkwood | when i use apt-get install munin on debian i get version 1.2.x on ubuntu same command i get 1.4.5 |
| 10:39.21 | Iridos | in time for what |
| 10:39.49 | catsup | tsocks/socksify should work |
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| 10:40.11 | Iridos | judd, versions munin |
| 10:40.13 | judd | Package munin on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-10~lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1; sid: 1.4.5-3; squeeze: 1.4.5-3; wheezy: 1.4.5-3 |
| 10:40.36 | Iridos | darkwood, that's debian lenny. Squeeze (a.k.a 6.0) is the current version of debian |
| 10:40.39 | ecksun | catsup, yes, but hte problem is with installing them, but I think tsocks is possible to get |
| 10:40.42 | ecksun | thx |
| 10:40.54 | catsup | well |
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| 10:41.10 | darkwood | hmmm, how can i download newest packs on lenny? |
| 10:41.16 | Bundestrojaner | ectospasm: i thought so. Is debian using Android's Linux-kernel? |
| 10:41.28 | Bundestrojaner | or is it running in a virtual machine on it? |
| 10:41.31 | ectospasm | Bundestrojaner: I dunno, probably not. |
| 10:41.38 | Bushmills | darkwood: "why debiant 5.x isnt updejting repo in time?" - that's not how debian works |
| 10:41.47 | catsup | if you have any software on the machine that can do http over socks you can get it with that |
| 10:42.13 | Bundestrojaner | ectospasm: so there's a real debian-kernel for those htc-models? |
| 10:42.43 | ectospasm | Bundestrojaner: I really don't know |
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| 10:43.12 | thinksteve | Bushmills: Shall we point him to sid? |
| 10:43.26 | Bushmills | thinksteve: or to potato? |
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| 10:43.40 | ecksun | catsup, yes, but apt doesnt directly support socks proxys? |
| 10:44.17 | thinksteve | Bushmills: Sounds good. :) |
| 10:44.31 | Iridos | darkwood, this IS the newest package for lenny. You have to upgrade to squeeze |
| 10:44.41 | darkwood | :/ |
| 10:44.45 | darkwood | or install manually? |
| 10:44.51 | Iridos | no |
| 10:44.57 | Bushmills | lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1 |
| 10:45.05 | Iridos | well, true |
| 10:45.13 | Iridos | Bushmills, thanks :) |
| 10:45.19 | as001 | thanks now it works.. |
| 10:45.21 | Iridos | goes for coffee |
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| 10:46.14 | darkwood | Bushmills, how to download that? |
| 10:46.23 | Bushmills | !b.p.o |
| 10:46.35 | Bushmills | !backports |
| 10:46.35 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 10:47.13 | darkwood | thX! |
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| 10:50.00 | catsup | ecksun: i'm not sure but i don't think so |
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| 10:52.49 | Bartzy|work | How passwords in /etc/shadow are created ? with crypt? How can I do it for myself ? |
| 10:53.01 | Bartzy|work | lets say for the string '123'.. how can I crypt it exactly like the shadow file ? |
| 10:53.36 | jelly | Bartzy|work: mkpasswd |
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| 10:54.29 | Iridos | Bushmills, still, I also think he doesn't know how stuff works in debian and it would be best for him to upgrade |
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| 10:57.08 | Bartzy|work | jelly: But it's not exactly like /etc/shadow password... I try to hash my own password |
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| 10:59.32 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, any of you tried emDebian on mobile phones? |
| 11:00.48 | Seppoz | using it on arm11 and arm9 cpus |
| 11:00.58 | Iridos | Bartzy|work, it's not so simple. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography) |
| 11:01.15 | Iridos | !polls |
| 11:01.16 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 11:04.07 | van7hu | hello #deian |
| 11:04.17 | van7hu | opps,hello #debian |
| 11:04.56 | ectospasm | 'sup? |
| 11:05.29 | treebeen | !sup |
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| 11:06.08 | Iridos | note that the channel itself cannot speak |
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| 11:06.34 | ectospasm | did that just crash dpkg? |
| 11:06.44 | jelly | Bartzy|work: of course it's not exactly like that, the salt part used to generate the hash is generated randomly and is always different. Same password + different salt = different hash |
| 11:06.53 | claint | nah, dpkg is fine. it is not running on amazon. |
| 11:07.46 | ectospasm | I did notice that it quit right after I wrote "'sup?' |
| 11:07.57 | ectospasm | maybe it was coincidence. |
| 11:08.01 | jelly | !greet treebeen |
| 11:08.01 | dpkg | Gr33tz, treebeen |
| 11:08.02 | Iridos | ectospasm, yes... all your fault |
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| 11:08.27 | Iridos | !blame ectospasm |
| 11:08.27 | dpkg | blames AndrewMC and ectospasm for all the evil in the world |
| 11:08.41 | jelly | 'sup? |
| 11:08.50 | ectospasm | better me than some poor undeserving schmuck |
| 11:08.56 | jelly | ectospasm: doesn't work! |
| 11:09.12 | ectospasm | jelly: then it was just a coincidence! (-; |
| 11:09.17 | jelly | yeah. |
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| 11:10.18 | Iridos | no, it works... it's all his fault... jelly just used the protect-dpkg-condom |
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| 11:11.06 | swine_ | is anyone here familiar with the ELF coredump format ? |
| 11:11.40 | omes | swine_: "no", now take your metaquestion else-where |
| 11:11.47 | van7hu | swine_ : many |
| 11:12.14 | swine_ | van7hu: i'm trying to find the link_map within a core file |
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| 11:12.29 | jelly | swine_: tried asking in #gdb? |
| 11:12.44 | swine_ | jelly: yes |
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| 11:13.14 | jelly | and hang around a while? :-) |
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| 11:14.01 | omes | swine_: "find"? have you set a breakpoint on it? |
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| 11:14.13 | swine_ | omes: the idea is not to do it with gdb |
| 11:14.25 | swine_ | omes: i'm trying to extract a list of opened libs from the core ... |
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| 11:14.38 | swine_ | i know that gdb can do this but i can't use gdb for non-technical reasons |
| 11:15.29 | Iridos | I call that suspicious |
| 11:15.54 | omes | swine_: do you have the original binary? |
| 11:16.09 | swine_ | omes: yes, but that should be irrelevant |
| 11:16.17 | swine_ | omes: i need the information straight from the core |
| 11:16.24 | omes | swine_: why? |
| 11:16.27 | Seb | swine_: why can't you use gdb ? |
| 11:16.35 | swine_ | because i can't :) |
| 11:16.41 | swine_ | do i really need to get into the details of it |
| 11:16.43 | swine_ | it's a constraint |
| 11:16.44 | omes | swine_: that's really not an answer.. |
| 11:16.51 | Seb | as in a class assignment ? |
| 11:16.56 | swine_ | no |
| 11:17.00 | swine_ | as in a paranoid customer |
| 11:17.05 | omes | swine_: how do you expect us to help if you won't give out any info? |
| 11:17.16 | Seb | a paranoid customer that'd prevent you from using gdb ? |
| 11:17.16 | swine_ | omes: i did give out the info. i can't use gdb |
| 11:17.21 | swine_ | i'm writing a utility from scratch |
| 11:17.30 | omes | swine_: no, he asked why you said you couldn't say... |
| 11:17.36 | swine_ | it's just annoying to answer these noise questions |
| 11:17.50 | omes | swine_: so go somewhere else for help :) |
| 11:17.51 | swine_ | esp. when the people aasking them likely don't know much about the problem |
| 11:17.53 | Seb | it's annoying to be told "i won't use your simple solution" |
| 11:18.04 | Seb | simple *and* effective |
| 11:18.06 | swine_ | Seb: your 'simple solution' is not the solution to my problem |
| 11:18.14 | swine_ | i hate this about iRC |
| 11:18.23 | swine_ | gdb is not an option |
| 11:18.30 | omes | swine_: we're trying to help _you_ you know...? |
| 11:18.31 | swine_ | if you don't know the file format, fine |
| 11:18.42 | swine_ | omes: perhaps, but it's spam |
| 11:18.45 | Seb | are you gonna tell us later that a c compiler is also not an option ? |
| 11:18.58 | swine_ | Seb: i need to get this out of the core file |
| 11:19.03 | swine_ | Seb: i can write a utility to do so |
| 11:19.16 | jelly | swine_: so steal code from gdb |
| 11:19.25 | swine_ | jelly: have you actually *looked* at gdb before ? |
| 11:19.31 | jelly | swine_: it's huge. |
| 11:19.35 | swine_ | jelly: because that's what i tried to do about an hour ago |
| 11:19.44 | swine_ | jelly: it's pretty opaque |
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| 11:20.02 | Seb | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\ngdb $@' > utility.sh |
| 11:20.16 | swine_ | Seb: yeah, not an option |
| 11:20.29 | bocaneri | As I understand it, a core dump is a dump of the process image in memory. Would "map tables" exist in the memory image? |
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| 11:20.33 | ectospasm | swine_: use gdb to make a backtrace |
| 11:20.34 | jelly | swine_: don't doubt that, but the authors might provide enough clues to point you to relevant bits |
| 11:20.35 | omes | swine_: can you humor us with a "why not"? |
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| 11:25.57 | wathek | casts, it works I've installed debian squeeze 64 it's OK |
| 11:26.56 | wathek | casts, I'm trying to install the nvidia driver |
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| 11:28.24 | swine_ | <swine_> i need to get this information on the customer system basically. no gdb |
| 11:28.24 | swine_ | <swine_> and i can't explain to you 'why not' because it' snot a technical issue |
| 11:28.24 | swine_ | <swine_> it's a political one |
| 11:28.24 | swine_ | <swine_> and it's pointless to argue with your customers on this stuff |
| 11:28.24 | swine_ | <swine_> i've already implemented this with gdb. i have to reinvent the wheel |
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| 11:30.57 | omes | swine_: so your client won't accept your solution because the binary is called gdb? |
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| 11:31.13 | swine_ | omes: is this relevant ? |
| 11:31.37 | swine_ | if you can help me, i'd appreciate it |
| 11:31.37 | omes | swine_: sounds like it's about time to fire the client... if they hired you to do a job then they should let you do it. |
| 11:31.57 | swine_ | omes: ok, i'll wait for someone with useful information |
| 11:32.02 | omes | swine_: if you have a contract something like this should be outlined there |
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| 11:32.21 | swine_ | omes: please don't use my nickname when making future comments |
| 11:32.28 | swine_ | omes: this information is distracting and useless |
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| 11:33.39 | jelly | might be nicer to others to wait quietly, and ignore the useless comments |
| 11:33.46 | omes | swine_: i guess i could ask you to stay on topic too... i don't see how this is specific to debian. |
| 11:34.15 | omes | jelly: i tried to help, all i got was "no, and i don't want to tell you why" |
| 11:34.33 | jelly | omes: it's not debian specific, but if the system is Debian it's ok to ask in here as well. If you don't have any technical clue to add it's best to keep quiet |
| 11:34.34 | swine_ | jelly: i get a notification when someone responds. this info is not remotely useful |
| 11:34.44 | abrotman | did he ever say it was Debian? |
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| 11:34.57 | jelly | if it wasn't Debian he wouldn't ask here |
| 11:35.05 | abrotman | ha! yeah right |
| 11:35.14 | jelly | swine_: which debian release is your client system running? |
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| 11:35.15 | omes | jelly: ... how do you know that? |
| 11:35.32 | swine_ | jelly: is any of this relevant ? |
| 11:35.36 | omes | jelly: my point is, i tried to help. i generally don't care about on-topicness |
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| 11:35.48 | omes | swine_: this is #debian.... so in theory yes, it is. |
| 11:35.48 | jelly | swine_: if you want to ask in here, it's VERY relevant |
| 11:35.56 | swine_ | i stated the parameters of the problem |
| 11:35.57 | abrotman | swine_: which version of gdb is it? |
| 11:35.59 | swine_ | if someone knows, cool |
| 11:36.06 | swine_ | if not, just please don't spam me |
| 11:36.08 | abrotman | swine_: dpkg -l gdb |
| 11:36.16 | swine_ | gdb is not an option |
| 11:36.21 | swine_ | this has already been discussed |
| 11:36.25 | ddalton | so I have a bit of a problem: I'm blind and use speakup as my screenreader for the console. Unfortunately it seems to be buggy with kernel 2.6.38 but works on .36 - so is it possible to find a deb of 2.6.36 anywhere? I'm running testing, and it seems due to some new udev implementation the only kernel I have as a deb 2.6.32 will not boot :( any ideas? |
| 11:36.31 | abrotman | swine_: stop hitting the damn enter key too |
| 11:36.38 | omes | abrotman: he can't use gdb because it's a political issue and his client doesn't approve... |
| 11:36.45 | jelly | swine_: you're going to get quieted (just like on ##linux) and ignored if you're not using Debian |
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| 11:37.08 | swine_ | jelly: with the level of 'help' here, i really don't care :) |
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| 11:37.13 | Seb | swine_: I'd recommend using gdb then |
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| 11:37.21 | jelly | problem solved |
| 11:37.21 | abrotman | and that's about enough of that |
| 11:37.42 | Seb | heh |
| 11:38.25 | omes | abrotman: now I'm all aggrevated, but with nobody to yell at :( |
| 11:38.36 | abrotman | omes: you can msg him if you want |
| 11:38.46 | omes | abrotman: lol, i guess you have a point :P |
| 11:39.06 | ddalton | dont worry about it it somehow compiles the module I want:) |
| 11:39.49 | jelly | ddalton: there's http://snapshot.debian.org/, I'm not sure if it will carry 2.6.36-trunk-* packages that used to be in experimental a couple months ago |
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| 12:19.32 | ooxi | hi uname -a tells me ,,Linux hosting 2.6.8-4-686 #1 Mon Apr 30 07:01:37 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux'' |
| 12:19.45 | ooxi | does somebody have an idea which linux distribution that could be? |
| 12:19.51 | abrotman | ooxi: uh seriously? |
| 12:20.01 | abrotman | please tell me you're joking |
| 12:20.19 | ooxi | abrotman just received the login to the server and it seems to be antique |
| 12:20.31 | abrotman | antique and full of security holes |
| 12:20.32 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 12:20.32 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 12:21.09 | ooxi | wtf thats sarge? |
| 12:21.22 | abrotman | the kernel is |
| 12:21.30 | abrotman | check your /etc/apt/sources.list or your libc6 version |
| 12:21.31 | ooxi | man |
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| 12:22.40 | ooxi | abrotman, you're right, it's sarge ,,deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main'' |
| 12:22.48 | abrotman | and that source doesn't even work |
| 12:23.00 | ooxi | oh hell |
| 12:23.00 | ooxi | :D |
| 12:23.05 | abrotman | sarge was long removed from mirrors |
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| 12:23.36 | Erbureth | wasn't etch removed from mirrors too? |
| 12:23.37 | ooxi | abrotman, thanks for your help. i know have to convince an old admin to upgrade ^^ |
| 12:23.44 | Erbureth | !sarge->etch |
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| 12:23.57 | abrotman | yes, etch has also been archived |
| 12:24.01 | Nanako | hi everyone, i've never used debian before and have a problem installing it now, it freezes on 73% when updating a package list, CD drive - pioneer DVR-218L, netinstall image |
| 12:24.10 | abrotman | ooxi: hopefully it's not an external system |
| 12:24.22 | abrotman | Nanako: which netinst? |
| 12:24.43 | ooxi | i can already hear him saying ,,but it works. and it always has. no need to upgrade'' |
| 12:25.00 | Nanako | abrotman: debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst |
| 12:25.07 | ooxi | abrotmen, it's a major companies webserver -.- |
| 12:25.20 | abrotman | hopes not that major ... |
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| 12:25.42 | abrotman | ooxi: i'm sure it does still work .. but it still hasn't had a security patch (from Debian) in over three years |
| 12:26.18 | Erbureth | has been already upgrading to squeeze... however the webhosting company isn't that major :) |
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| 12:28.20 | Karen_m | how would a mtr/ping fail, yet the box responds? On hop 12, everything stops (level3).. Yet the box can be accessed via port 80? |
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| 12:28.57 | abrotman | ICMP ? |
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| 12:28.59 | Bushmills | Karen_m: icmp can be blocked while tcp/80 isn't. firewall |
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| 12:30.41 | Karen_m | Bushmills, why would level3 start blocking icmp ? they're hop 12 on the way to my box |
| 12:30.46 | Karen_m | breaks stuff :) |
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| 12:32.10 | Bushmills | Karen_m: do you have their service number? |
| 12:32.38 | Bushmills | doesn't represent level3 and is not aware of level3 policies and motivations |
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| 12:32.55 | Karen_m | everything to and from my box is being filtered except port 80 |
| 12:33.05 | Karen_m | and I didn't set it up, I wonder why |
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| 12:34.06 | BabartheKing | hi, can someone help me with a sed expression to append to a certain line based on two criteria ? it must not begin with # and have the word kerel ,,, |
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| 12:34.15 | BabartheKing | i have managed to do this so far |
| 12:34.22 | jelly | kerel? |
| 12:34.51 | BabartheKing | jelly, i meant kernel |
| 12:35.05 | BabartheKing | i have come up with this sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/kernel/s/$/tty/' /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 12:35.19 | Nanako | abrotman: i've just installed debian from the same cd on the vmware |
| 12:35.23 | BabartheKing | but this removes all the lines that are beggining with # |
| 12:35.39 | jelly | sed -r 's/^([^#]*kernel.*)$/\1 more stuff/' < grub.conf |
| 12:35.47 | abrotman | there's also a #sed |
| 12:35.57 | abrotman | Nanako: so it's a hardware problem ? |
| 12:36.09 | jelly | BabartheKing: or you could use /etc/default/grub and update-grub instead |
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| 12:36.29 | BabartheKing | jelly, i am using old grub ... |
| 12:36.34 | BabartheKing | on centos |
| 12:36.41 | Nanako | it's a debian installer problem afaik, there are several threads on ubunte forums |
| 12:36.44 | jelly | BabartheKing: this is not #centos |
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| 12:36.57 | BabartheKing | i know, but i am debian user by default :-) |
| 12:37.09 | jelly | reproduce in debian and ask again |
| 12:37.10 | Nanako | is there any known workaround? |
| 12:37.34 | jelly | BabartheKing: I'm also a RHEL user and a Windows user, but I don't ask RHEL or Windows questions in here |
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| 12:37.45 | BabartheKing | it is a sed problem, not a RHEL problem |
| 12:37.51 | jelly | it's not a Debian problem |
| 12:37.58 | Nanako | it's the same hardware btw, i've just inserted the same cd in the same drive. but used vmware |
| 12:38.01 | Karen_m | Bushmills, my damned dns is hijacked from enom! lol, updating dns .. no wonder only port 80 responded (it's their box) :) |
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| 12:39.26 | BabartheKing | jelly, thanks a bunch, your sed expression is wonderfull |
| 12:39.26 | jelly | Karen_m: heh, by "hijacked" do you mean "forgot to renew domain" |
| 12:40.02 | Karen_m | jelly, nope |
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| 12:40.39 | abrotman | BabartheKing: try #sed next time |
| 12:40.57 | BabartheKing | abrotman, |
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| 12:41.15 | abrotman | Nanako: have you tried with the network cable unplugged? |
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| 12:42.10 | BabartheKing | jelly can you help me clear the mist with your expression ? |
| 12:42.25 | Nanako | abrotman: no, but it's a netinstall, will it prompt me to connect to a network later? |
| 12:42.35 | jelly | BabartheKing: each (subexpression) is stored in \1, \2, ... |
| 12:42.38 | abrotman | Nanako: we can help you with that later |
| 12:42.53 | Nanako | ok, I'll try |
| 12:42.56 | abrotman | Nanako: i'm just curious if it would make a difference |
| 12:43.36 | BabartheKing | jelly, so why a . after the word kernel ? |
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| 12:44.41 | jelly | BabartheKing: ^ - line begin anchor; [^#] - any character other than "#"; [^#]* -- lots of "character other than #"; . -- any one character (exactly one) .* -- lots of "any characters"; $ -- end of line anchor |
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| 12:46.09 | BabartheKing | and \1 is saying until now was just the first expression ? |
| 12:46.37 | jelly | BabartheKing: right side of s/.../.../ is what the left side will be replaced with |
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| 12:47.29 | RichiH | jelly: other than rescanning, do you have any other ideas how to make linux aware of the new disk size? |
| 12:47.30 | BabartheKing | s/regex/\1 tty/ what is the \1 for ? sorry i am being dumb :-/ |
| 12:47.36 | jelly | RichiH: reboot |
| 12:47.41 | RichiH | not an option |
| 12:47.55 | abrotman | rescanning doesn't work? |
| 12:47.56 | RichiH | the controller knows about the new size, fwiw |
| 12:48.13 | RichiH | abrotman: at least echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan does not |
| 12:48.16 | RichiH | neither does 0 0 0 |
| 12:48.23 | jelly | BabartheKing: \1 is everything that was matched on the left side inside the first parenthesis |
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| 12:48.46 | jelly | RichiH: does anything appear in dmesg upon rescanning? |
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| 12:50.19 | RichiH | [7877170.126276] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 |
| 12:50.39 | RichiH | the machine does not have a floppy drive so i am not exactly shocked |
| 12:50.49 | jelly | RichiH: pastebin your dmesg and /proc/partitions for starters, also for i in /dev/sd*; do printf "$i $(blockdev --getsize64 $i)\n"; done |
| 12:51.42 | BabartheKing | jelly, \1 means everything on the left side of (), meaning the ^, beginning of the line ? |
| 12:52.33 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/114735/ |
| 12:52.35 | RichiH | jelly: |
| 12:53.10 | abrotman | hey .. sdc looks unhappy |
| 12:53.29 | RichiH | abrotman: yes, i killed the raidset |
| 12:53.38 | abrotman | evil RichiH |
| 12:53.49 | RichiH | upgrades usually involve killing it ;) |
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| 12:55.54 | jelly | RichiH: next time, delete the device from the kernel before nuking the array -- echo 1 > /sys/block/sdc/device/delete |
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| 12:57.13 | jelly | RichiH: at this point I'd delete it anyway, then do a bus rescan |
| 12:57.14 | RichiH | jelly: i wasn't aware i could even do that |
| 12:57.18 | RichiH | yah |
| 12:57.38 | jelly | RichiH: well how do you disconnect your hotplug devices then?!? :-) |
| 12:58.16 | jelly | it also works with SATA disks, and usually spins them down and makes them go to sleep |
| 12:58.22 | RichiH | jelly: using hardware raids exlcusively, i just pull them |
| 12:58.36 | RichiH | jelly: deleting and rescanning worked, btw |
| 12:58.40 | RichiH | thanks a lot! |
| 12:58.44 | jelly | ah. I don't have $$$ for hwraid at home |
| 12:59.19 | jelly | guess the kernel needed some unconfusing |
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| 13:00.36 | RichiH | jelly: it's at work |
| 13:00.44 | jelly | but if I had I guess I'd get a nice external areca box instead of a dummy one |
| 13:00.48 | RichiH | jelly: for private use, i am experimenting with nexenta, atm |
| 13:00.56 | RichiH | so far, i am pretty disappointed |
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| 13:01.25 | jelly | zfs has some performance caveats |
| 13:01.28 | RichiH | jelly: unless you need heavy i/o, fuse-zfs looks interesting |
| 13:01.47 | jelly | I need things to work, and fuse doesn't inspire confidence |
| 13:01.50 | RichiH | it does, but my main concern is data integrity for my NAS |
| 13:01.58 | RichiH | the SANs are different, of course |
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| 13:02.17 | RichiH | jelly: maybe not, but what are the alternatives? |
| 13:02.21 | jelly | I'm running nbd at home at present |
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| 13:02.54 | jelly | one machine has eSATA, and nbd server, and the other one gets to mount filesystems |
| 13:03.15 | jelly | works decently well over Gbps ethernet |
| 13:04.09 | jelly | basically because I don't have enough eSATA ports to connect all the external disks to the second machine |
| 13:04.34 | jelly | might get a http://sataport.com/ |
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| 13:06.22 | kenifanying | hi all, I am a debian squeeze user, I want to use exim4 to send messages through Google's smtp servers for GMail accounts. I followed this instroduction: http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4, and i can send messages. |
| 13:06.46 | kenifanying | But http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#I_have_configured_exim_with_help_of_a_non-Debian_HOWTO._It_doesn.27t_work. say it contains outdated information |
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| 13:07.21 | kenifanying | so, any suggestions? |
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| 13:10.23 | Nanako | abrotman: I have unplugged network cable, and it have freezed on the same 73% |
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| 13:12.19 | Nanako | I've run ps on the second tty, there are apt-get update, udpkg, /bin/sh with bootstrap-base.postinst and /usr/lib/apt/methods/cdrom |
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| 13:12.59 | Nanako | what I have to kill to unfreeze it |
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| 13:13.13 | Nanako | ctrl-c, ctrl-break doesn't work |
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| 13:14.54 | Nanako | btw it have a message in the log, saying mount point /media/cdrom, but /media is empty now |
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| 13:21.02 | Iridos | I have a matrix of numbers in a text file and want to turn rows into columns and vice versa... is there a commandline tool that does that? |
| 13:21.43 | Iridos | transpose was the term I was looking for, I guess :) |
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| 13:22.44 | Iridos | actually I want to plot it and need to transpose it for that |
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| 13:25.50 | Erbureth | Iridos: can't the plotting sw do it for you? |
| 13:26.01 | Iridos | gnuplot can't |
| 13:26.20 | Iridos | if you know one that I don't need hours to learn for a relatively simple plot... |
| 13:26.51 | Nanako | is there any way to install debian from the ftp like freebsd? |
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| 13:27.09 | Erbureth | Nanako: use businesscard image |
| 13:27.32 | Erbureth | or 8MB flash image |
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| 13:27.42 | Nanako | can I do that through expert mode on the netinst& |
| 13:27.44 | Nanako | ? |
| 13:27.50 | Erbureth | Iridos: i do not. What do you want to plot? |
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| 13:28.39 | Erbureth | Nanako: netinst is from FTP by default. There is no way to fit all the packages into those ~150 MB images |
| 13:28.43 | Iridos | ah, found an awk snippet that does it |
| 13:29.01 | Iridos | also found a perl script, but that was... well tl;dr |
| 13:29.10 | Iridos | http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/20260-file-transposing.html |
| 13:29.29 | Nanako | It have problems while retrieving package data from the cd, some kernel errors about inodes are in the log |
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| 13:29.49 | Nanako | so I guess it will be the same on any cd media |
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| 13:30.49 | Iridos | Erbureth, just some data on Methanol usage... I reviewed a wikipedia article and suggested to include a graph like that... (the main author made a cake graph... want to see how what I had in mind works out) |
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| 13:31.43 | Erbureth | Nanako: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 13:32.04 | Erbureth | Iridos: i see. good that you solved it |
| 13:32.18 | Nanako | great, but not on windows 7 |
| 13:32.41 | Nanako | I'll try expert mode |
| 13:33.04 | Erbureth | Nanako: try some live cd then to get into linux environment |
| 13:33.49 | Nanako | that'll be the last resort :-) |
| 13:36.21 | Nanako | Kernel says Unhandled sense code on three different cds |
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| 13:37.56 | Nanako | missing FreeBSD sysinstall |
| 13:38.00 | Erbureth | Nanako: did you check the image whether it is burned correctly? |
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| 13:38.35 | Nanako | three different cds, burned on different drives |
| 13:38.45 | Erbureth | hm... |
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| 13:38.50 | Erbureth | Nanako: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 13:38.58 | Erbureth | might be worth a shot |
| 13:39.07 | Nanako | there are several threads on the ubuntu forum |
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| 13:39.30 | Nanako | debian installer seems to be incompatible with several sony and nec drives |
| 13:39.53 | abrotman | Nanako: install from USB? |
| 13:40.15 | Nanako | I'm cleaning my 1gb thumbdrive now |
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| 13:40.23 | deb | hello guys i have a debian machine with some iptables routing now i can ping my debian machine. but i cant ping the machines in the lan behind the iptables. this is my script |
| 13:40.24 | deb | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth+ --dport 443 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.110.100:443 |
| 13:40.24 | deb | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i eth+ --dport 443 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.110.100:443 |
| 13:40.24 | deb | iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 13:40.24 | deb | iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 13:40.24 | deb | #dns-exchange |
| 13:40.24 | deb | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth+ --dport 53 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.110.100:53 |
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| 13:40.31 | abrotman | Nanako: i don't think you can put those in the wash |
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| 13:40.41 | abrotman | deb: don't do that again |
| 13:40.44 | deb | i'm sorry i posted the wrong thing |
| 13:40.50 | deb | yeah i know i'm very sorry!! |
| 13:40.52 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:40.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | deb: and there's a good chance you want #netfilter |
| 13:41.02 | deb | http://paste.debian.net/114743/ |
| 13:41.06 | deb | i already did pastebin it. |
| 13:41.09 | deb | just copied the wrong text. |
| 13:41.19 | babilen | deb: First: You probably want #netfilter and Second: Don't give your script but the output of "iptables -L" |
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| 13:42.00 | deb | http://paste.debian.net/114744/ |
| 13:42.20 | abrotman | you still probably want #netfilter .. |
| 13:42.41 | deb | i'm already talking there to. |
| 13:42.55 | deb | but because my system is debian i was thinking lets also give it a shot hiere.. |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | okay, wait there and be patient .. they're probably better at answering that question than us |
| 13:44.14 | deb | yeah maby thanks abrotman |
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| 13:47.53 | emily_ | who knows /etc/hosts.deny |
| 13:48.07 | jan0s1k | Hello, I have question, why it's trying to add some Mozilla shit? |
| 13:48.08 | jan0s1k | http://temote.tk/something_wrong.txt |
| 13:48.39 | jan0s1k | (Debian testing) |
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| 13:51.19 | D4rKr0W | anyone seen errors like these before? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/e431aaea |
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| 13:54.32 | D4rKr0W | seems like the hard disk is locking up and the connection gets reset, correct? |
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| 13:57.48 | cowboycoder | Does anybody know if you can stack bonds (aggregating 2 bonds into 1?) or would it be better to bridge? |
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| 13:58.09 | abrotman | D4rKr0W: usually that indicates the disc/drive is dying |
| 13:58.40 | abrotman | jan0s1k: i don't speak whatever that is |
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| 14:01.04 | jan0s1k | abrotman: I don't understand |
| 14:01.19 | ooxi | hi how can i increase the size of a tmpfs |
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| 14:01.38 | abrotman | jan0s1k: neither do i .. do `LANG=C <yourcommandhere>' |
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| 14:02.42 | jan0s1k | abrotman: ah, ok |
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| 14:09.18 | ayambit | I want to recive email every time ssh login occurs. |
| 14:09.27 | ayambit | I have clean debian installation. |
| 14:09.32 | ayambit | Any hints? |
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| 14:10.11 | cowboycoder | ayambit: for a particular user or all users? |
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| 14:10.51 | ayambit | cowboycoder: for all users, email then every login occurs (not only ssh) will be as good. |
| 14:11.09 | ayambit | *when |
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| 14:13.08 | abrotman | ayambit: why not just have the system email you the auth log daily? |
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| 14:13.30 | ayambit | abrotman: if somebody logs in, he can delete logs. |
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| 14:13.41 | abrotman | only if they have root access? |
| 14:13.51 | ayambit | I'm paranoid. |
| 14:13.59 | Nanako | had used FreeBSD on VMWare on Windows 7 to copy Debian image on usb stick O_o |
| 14:14.05 | abrotman | use fam and have it email you the logs |
| 14:14.44 | break3r | hey guys |
| 14:14.55 | lxsameer | i just installed nvidia-glx but my 2d rendering is sucks and xorg eat up about 60% CPU usage on idle time |
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| 14:15.38 | cowboycoder | ayambit: ship the log to another host? |
| 14:15.40 | ayambit | Nanako: take the pie from a shell. |
| 14:15.56 | cusco_ | hi |
| 14:16.20 | ayambit | cowboycoder: I want to get this log on may gmail. |
| 14:16.20 | cusco_ | can I some how binda physical cd rom drive to a iso file? |
| 14:16.30 | cusco_ | without actually creating a image, just bind it? |
| 14:16.42 | ayambit | *my |
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| 14:17.32 | cowboycoder | ayambit: rsyslog seems to support email http://tinyurl.com/3dygjou |
| 14:17.41 | cusco_ | ayambit: I would read a script reading /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:17.44 | cusco_ | write |
| 14:17.51 | ayambit | hmm |
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| 14:18.07 | cusco_ | or if software that you have already does it , should be better as cowboycoder sugested |
| 14:18.14 | ayambit | Ok, I understand monitoring part. |
| 14:18.28 | lxsameer | does sid have xorg now ? |
| 14:18.32 | ayambit | Now I should understand, how to send an email from celan debian. |
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| 14:18.56 | ayambit | Should I configure exim or something like it? |
| 14:18.56 | break3r | again i am having a problem. since some upgrades ago (when there was a problem with udev using /run/) i had to enter the command alsa force-reload then my sound worked...but now it doesnt work anymore. same kernel, dunno about udev |
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| 14:19.14 | jargon- | any idea what pkg to install for debian to get the sqlite client? |
| 14:19.26 | ayambit | apt-cache search sqlite |
| 14:19.48 | ooxi | hi i have changed the size of a tmpfs in /etc/fstab. but doing a mount -a has no effect (as seen by df -h) |
| 14:19.48 | ooxi | what did i miss? |
| 14:20.02 | sameerynho | does sid have xorg now ? |
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| 14:23.00 | cowboycoder | ayambit: I personally prefer postfix but exim works well too |
| 14:25.12 | ayambit | cowboycoder: can you give me site or something which explains exim work process with minimum test as possible. Basically I just want to know how basic receiving and sending emails work. |
| 14:25.19 | ayambit | *text |
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| 14:25.31 | Nanako | Yeeahh! I've got debian isntalled, thx <Erbureth> and <abrotman> |
| 14:25.51 | ayambit | I know how smpt or pop3 work from client side but never configured mail server. |
| 14:25.57 | ayambit | *smtp |
| 14:26.04 | dvs | Nanako: Why would you want to do that?!? ;-) |
| 14:27.13 | Nanako | I'm currently moving one of my web projects from vds to the cloud hosting, and there is no FreeBSD on it, only Linux |
| 14:27.29 | Nanako | So I've chosen Debian |
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| 14:27.46 | Erbureth | Nanako: no problem :) how did you solve it? |
| 14:27.54 | cutout | hello |
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| 14:27.59 | cowboycoder | ayambit: apt-get install postfix (config is as easy as filling out the form in the config) |
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| 14:28.28 | Nanako | Simply copied same netinstall image to the usb stick drive |
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| 14:28.38 | cutout | am new to debian and I have a server and am not able to login because the password has @ and am unable to find it on the keyboard |
| 14:28.47 | cutout | can anyone help me please? |
| 14:28.56 | ayambit | And how it will know ho to send an email to any host? |
| 14:29.12 | cutout | heheh |
| 14:29.12 | Erbureth | cutout: what keyboard do you use? |
| 14:29.20 | cutout | 101 |
| 14:29.32 | cutout | I do press shift |
| 14:29.33 | Erbureth | cutout: layout |
| 14:29.48 | cutout | with numpad |
| 14:29.59 | cutout | if that's what you mean! |
| 14:30.09 | Erbureth | nope |
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| 14:30.21 | Erbureth | i mean like us or dvorak... |
| 14:30.28 | Erbureth | or something else |
| 14:30.36 | cutout | it should be us |
| 14:30.49 | Erbureth | then shift + 2 (not on numpad) |
| 14:31.05 | cutout | then it is not us :( |
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| 14:31.18 | cutout | because that gives me " |
| 14:31.19 | sameerynho | how can i downgrade a package collection from sid to testing ? |
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| 14:31.37 | Erbureth | cutout: then you can try old trial-and-error method |
| 14:31.39 | xingu | cutout: try shift and whatever key is two right from L |
| 14:31.42 | Nanako | cutout, maybe it is russian? |
| 14:32.07 | cutout | I did try all the buttons with the shift and alt :( |
| 14:32.08 | Nanako | any way, try alt+64 |
| 14:32.13 | cutout | am unable to find it |
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| 14:32.53 | Erbureth | cutout: left alt and right alt are different modifiers btw |
| 14:33.02 | Nanako | cutout, hold alt and press 6 and then 4 on numpad, numlock on |
| 14:33.15 | Sose | altgr + 2 gives @ on some keymaps (finnish atleast) |
| 14:33.59 | cutout | just tryed it and it did not work |
| 14:34.38 | cutout | also alt + 6 and 4 did not work |
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| 14:35.22 | Bladerunner05 | hello on my debian ifconfig returns on eth0 link encap:UNSPEC and it didn't work.. whats happen ? |
| 14:36.13 | cutout | thanks it finally worked |
| 14:36.24 | cutout | alt Gr with 2 |
| 14:36.27 | cutout | :) |
| 14:36.28 | dvs | what worked? |
| 14:36.43 | cutout | I can print @ |
| 14:36.46 | cutout | :P |
| 14:36.47 | Sose | cutout: good :) |
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| 14:37.00 | jeremyn | i'm trying a new debian 6.0.1a amd64 install from usb. i get a "SYSLINUX 3.63...boot:"prompt. i hit enter and the cursor moves down but nothing happens. i've tried netinst and CD-1, both have the same result. any hints? |
| 14:37.01 | cutout | thanks, now to the real question |
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| 14:37.42 | cutout | What is the best way to remaster a debian server with some packages preinstalled on it, I need to have it on an iso image that I can redistribute |
| 14:38.02 | Leoneof | hi, it is ok to remove portmap? i don't know what this exactly. |
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| 14:38.47 | dynamite | How do I find out, whats consuming the most traffic to a certain machine? |
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| 14:45.52 | abrotman | dynamite: iftop? jnettop? |
| 14:46.03 | jhoc | can someone recommend the best way to make some text files available for editing online without sshing into the box? I have a windows admin i would like to give access to the whitelist files on my exim boxes for editing |
| 14:46.23 | jelly | Leoneof: it's a helper daemon for some network-based services. If you don't use NFS you probably don't need it |
| 14:46.32 | Bushmills | jhoc: samba, nfs |
| 14:46.33 | dynamite | abrotman: which one is better? |
| 14:46.37 | dynamite | what would you suggest? |
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| 14:47.50 | pipeline | jhoc: windows nfs is awful. Use samba. |
| 14:48.05 | jhoc | Bushmills: was thinking something along the lines of webmin but thats one way to do it pretty straight forward |
| 14:48.05 | Leoneof | jelly: oh ok, thanks. |
| 14:48.18 | Bushmills | !webmin |
| 14:48.18 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 14:48.42 | jhoc | ahh fair enough |
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| 14:48.45 | Dfox^ | No, but I just wanted a little help because everything works but I have concerns about my reception but webmail works by sending cons I just wanted to know if anyone knows the webmail roundcubemail or uses |
| 14:49.08 | jelly | Leoneof: if you know what inetd does, this one is similar |
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| 14:49.27 | abrotman | dynamite: you need to be more specific about what/when you're tryin to measure |
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| 14:49.34 | Leoneof | jelly: i have no idea about NTF, nor inetd :d |
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| 14:50.00 | cutout | how can I can upgrade my server to the latest version? am using debian 5 now |
| 14:50.11 | dvs | !ig |
| 14:50.11 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 14:50.32 | cutout | thanks |
| 14:50.44 | jelly | Leoneof: that also means you probably don't need it :-) |
| 14:50.45 | dynamite | abrotman: okay, I have a server thats consuming a lot of BW - im trying to make out what service and what "destination" is causing this bandwidth. |
| 14:50.46 | dvs | np |
| 14:51.05 | Leoneof | jelly: hehe, okay! |
| 14:51.38 | pipeline | dynamite: iftop and iptraf are both pretty awesome for those purposes |
| 14:51.42 | pipeline | dynamite: I have never used jnettop |
| 14:51.44 | cutout | dvs: this is only installation guid! is there anyway to upgrade the server online? |
| 14:51.58 | pipeline | dynamite: you may want to experiment with both iftop and iptraf -- they report different kinds of data, and you may find one or the other more useful |
| 14:52.06 | cutout | dvs: without the need to format |
| 14:52.16 | dvs | cutout: Chapter 4 tell you how to upgrade |
| 14:52.17 | dynamite | pipeline: the outputt is pretty garbled - can i somehow sort it to show whats exactly causing constant masses of bw? |
| 14:52.49 | pipeline | dynamite: iftop sorts streams by bandwidth usage, so the biggest users will be at the top |
| 14:52.59 | pipeline | dynamite: if the output is scrambled, it's because you're using a bad terminal emulator. Find a better one. |
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| 14:53.18 | SerajewelKS | are there any software raid systems compatible between debian and windows? |
| 14:53.19 | dynamite | pipeline: allright |
| 14:53.32 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: No. |
| 14:53.36 | SerajewelKS | i'm considering mirroring my entire drive and would rather do that than set up individual partition mirrors |
| 14:53.50 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: that's what i thought... oh well... |
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| 14:53.58 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: You should always put software raid inside of a partition anyway |
| 14:54.06 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: so that you do not inadvertently blank/damage the disk |
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| 14:54.16 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: hmm, true |
| 14:54.20 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: what's 8 kilobytes of overhead to save hours of wailing and gnashing in the veent that you ever take the disk out of the system :) |
| 14:54.24 | cutout | dvs: thanks :) |
| 14:54.29 | dvs | np |
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| 14:58.52 | cutout | I want to remaster a debian server edition, what is the best tool? It is more like a backup for my server so the I get it with all the configurations I have out of the box |
| 14:59.37 | dynamite | pipeline: thanks, think i got what i wanted. Is there a way to constantly monitor the traffic and alert on any inconsistency, such as a (lets say) HTTP DDOS attack? |
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| 15:04.38 | jelly | SerajewelKS: using the entire drive as a md member has some issues. One is no boot loader supports having /boot on such a setup cleanly |
| 15:04.50 | DammitJim | I'm trying to install squeeze on a laptop that already had a home directory with data |
| 15:04.52 | cutout | anyone to help me with the backup? |
| 15:05.06 | DammitJim | I'm in Partition Disks and have erased my older / partition |
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| 15:05.24 | DammitJim | now it's set to #1 primary 10.0 GB B K ext3 / |
| 15:05.35 | DammitJim | but when I try to install, it tells me there is no partition table? |
| 15:06.02 | jeremyn | i'm trying a new debian 6.0.1a amd64 install from usb. i get a "SYSLINUX 3.63...boot:"prompt. i hit enter and the cursor moves down but nothing happens. i've tried netinst and CD-1, both have the same result. any hints? thanks :) |
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| 15:09.03 | cutout | how ca i install gui on debian server? |
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| 15:10.27 | gyscos | Hi ! I installed sudo, but when I use "sudo -s" from an authorized user, I become "rooted", but root's bashrc is not read, and "cd" brings me to the user's home, not /root |
| 15:10.38 | deepy | sudo su |
| 15:10.50 | gyscos | yeah, but on archlinux it works as expected |
| 15:10.56 | gyscos | So I guess it's a configuration issue |
| 15:11.06 | gyscos | Is there a sudo configuration file somewhere ? |
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| 15:11.12 | macrobat | !sudoers |
| 15:11.12 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
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| 15:11.37 | ansgar | gyscos: Maybe you want sudo -i? |
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| 15:11.50 | warp0x00 | you can also turn on sudo insults which is the best part |
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| 15:11.56 | macrobat | i just su - |
| 15:12.23 | gyscos | Oh, -i is cool |
| 15:12.46 | gyscos | i just noticed the sudo I installed was 1.6.9, on archlinux it was 1.8.1, hence the difference |
| 15:13.21 | macrobat | i think the difference is in configuration more than version |
| 15:13.57 | gyscos | The sudoers file is identical |
| 15:14.05 | gyscos | Is there another configuration somewhre ? |
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| 15:15.20 | pipeline | dynamite: lots of ways |
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| 15:15.31 | pipeline | dynamite: none of them simple. |
| 15:15.44 | dynamite | pipeline: lead me towards one? |
| 15:15.59 | pipeline | dynamite: opennms + snmp + thresholding to alert when traffic goes over a certain level |
| 15:16.07 | pipeline | dynamite: monit could also be persuaded to that work with a custom probe |
| 15:16.20 | jeremyn | my problem magically went away somehow, not sure what i did differently |
| 15:16.25 | dynamite | okay |
| 15:16.28 | jeremyn | just for the record :) |
| 15:16.40 | dynamite | pipeline: thanks - ill give it a read |
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| 15:17.57 | DammitJim | how do I install squeeze and keep my /home partition? |
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| 15:20.22 | lawnchair | im on debian testing.... and vim-full is not available. am i missing a repos? |
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| 15:22.03 | DammitJim | what is vim-full? |
| 15:22.17 | lawnchair | gives me vim highlighting |
| 15:22.20 | lawnchair | amongst other things |
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| 15:23.24 | DammitJim | ah, cool |
| 15:23.33 | macrobat | there is vim-gtk |
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| 15:24.30 | lawnchair | i need it for the console |
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| 15:25.20 | SerajewelKS | jelly: gotcha |
| 15:25.41 | jelly | dpkg, tell Dfox^ about roundcube |
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| 15:28.40 | macrobat | lawnchair: vim-gtk works with the console/terminal and includes gvim, iirc. it has gui deps. perhaps you want vim-nox |
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| 15:29.34 | lawnchair | macrobat, ok thx |
| 15:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: vim-full includes a GUI version. vim-nox is everything but the gui. |
| 15:33.08 | yoshio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.27 | nachwuchs | Why is recentest gnubik not in debian packaged? |
| 15:38.56 | treebeen | !why |
| 15:38.56 | dpkg | Because! |
| 15:39.29 | treebeen | nachwuchs: what debian? squeeze? |
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| 15:39.40 | treebeen | ,versions gnubik |
| 15:39.42 | judd | Package gnubik on i386 -- lenny: 2.2-8; sid: 2.3-2; squeeze: 2.3-2; wheezy: 2.3-2 |
| 15:40.19 | jelly | nachwuchs: didn't you ask that last week? |
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| 15:43.44 | jelly | nachwuchs: file a wishlist bug -- tell the maintainer there's a new version and could they pretty please package it. It's software that hasn't had an upstream release in over 2 years, a new version is on GNU ftp dated 09-Apr-2011, and stuff usually DOESN'T get built and uploaded into Debian automatically. |
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| 15:45.05 | florian | Hi. Is it possible to limit the usable bandwith of a particular network interface for a particular group? |
| 15:45.10 | jelly | nachwuchs: someone, maybe not you, asked about 2.4 literally a day or two after upstream released it -- it doesn't work that way |
| 15:45.43 | ppalmes | florian: apt-cache search shaper |
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| 15:46.02 | ProgVal | Hello |
| 15:46.25 | florian | Thank you very much :) |
| 15:46.27 | florian | Farewell |
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| 15:47.29 | ProgVal | Is there any reason for GEdit to depends on the "hurd" package (for the hurd architecture, of course)? |
| 15:47.37 | cutout | Hi I installed gnome on debian lenny server and I got this msg: |
| 15:47.40 | cutout | The current kernel doesn't support userspace software suspend. Please recompile the kernel with the 'CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y' option. |
| 15:47.46 | cutout | how can I do that? |
| 15:48.05 | gyscos | apt-file update fails with me, tells me it cannot find http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
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| 15:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: RE: vi - be sure to update the alternatives links if you upgrade vim. |
| 15:48.24 | gyscos | Is apt-file obsolete ? |
| 15:48.25 | Nanako | it seems that debian can't start on my hardware at all, simply hangs on load |
| 15:48.36 | jelly | cutout: do you really _need_ suspend functionality on a server? |
| 15:48.45 | Nanako | even ctrl+alt+del doesn't work |
| 15:48.50 | jelly | servers usually work 24/7 |
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| 15:49.39 | nachwuchs | 3.4285714 |
| 15:49.56 | ppalmes | gyscos: something is wrong with the server |
| 15:50.34 | gyscos | ppalmes: The file in question is not present on the server |
| 15:50.37 | cutout | jelly: I do not know what it is! I installed GUI to use remastersys to make a backup for my server, if It is not necessary for that then I don't need it |
| 15:50.49 | jelly | cutout: ah. Ignore the message. |
| 15:50.55 | ppalmes | gyscos: maybe it is being updated |
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| 15:51.32 | gyscos | ppalmes: Apparently it is a known bug |
| 15:51.41 | gyscos | ppalmes: But it won't be fixed in lenny >_< |
| 15:51.56 | cutout | jelly: now it does not allow me to login with the root user with the gdm enabled, can I work around thta |
| 15:51.57 | gyscos | ppalmes: Is there another way to search in available packages ? |
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| 15:52.41 | jelly | cutout: don't log in as root. Log in as normal user, and do your administration from a single root shell (opened with su or sudo) |
| 15:52.57 | cutout | OK thanks |
| 15:53.06 | ppalmes | gyscos: try aptitude search |
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| 15:54.15 | sunbit | Hello! I have instaled lenny form CD, how i upgrade to squeeze? http://pastebin.com/eACaH77n |
| 15:54.15 | gyscos | Oh cool, i though aptitude was only a ncurse tool |
| 15:55.40 | jelly | nah, it has a decent CLI suppoed to replace multiple apt tools |
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| 15:56.28 | mah454 | I need link for doanload debian 5 ... |
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| 15:56.37 | mah454 | I need link for download debian 5 ... |
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| 15:57.19 | cutout | jelly: It seems that I don't have any other user , only the root, how can I add one now? |
| 15:58.14 | gyscos | When doing a search, is it possible to show the installed version ? |
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| 15:58.29 | gyscos | cutout: adduser, read the man :) |
| 15:58.49 | cutout | thanks :) |
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| 15:59.08 | Ghis | anyone know what grapics drivers i should use for intel hd graphics, sandy bridge. |
| 15:59.16 | mah454 | I need link for downloading debian 5 ... |
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| 15:59.46 | pipeline | Ghis: should work ootb, no configuration necessary |
| 16:00.10 | bombay | what does 'defaults' mount option mean for ext3? is it using relatime or atime? |
| 16:00.13 | Terr1 | Using Debian Sqeeuze and downloading OPENVPN package, is it possible to enable --script-security 2? I tried putting it in /etc/defaults/openvpn as OPTARGS didnt seem to make a diffrent? I hope the only solution isent compiling it yourself? |
| 16:00.24 | jelly | cutout: log in as root as the console. Use "adduser" command |
| 16:00.38 | Ghis | pipeline, it does. but i cant choose heigher resolution then 1240x1024. |
| 16:00.44 | wathek | Hi all I got a problem with my NVidia graphic card I got a GT 540M I installed the latest driver from Nvidia (270.41.06) but it shows a black screen and says no screens found |
| 16:00.44 | cutout | jelly: thanks |
| 16:00.54 | wathek | any help please ? |
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| 16:01.19 | prince_jammys | bombay: see 'man mount' |
| 16:01.21 | jelly | bombay: man mount lists what "defaults" includes |
| 16:01.31 | bombay | ok |
| 16:02.11 | jelly | bombay: for ext3 the atime defaults are dependent on kernel buildtime options |
| 16:03.18 | bombay | jelly: I use debian squeeze rght now. |
| 16:03.28 | jelly | bombay: I _think_ relatime is default since kernel 2.6.30 or so, so squeeze probably defaults to that |
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| 16:03.50 | jelly | (squeeze has a 2.6.32-based kernel) |
| 16:04.32 | bombay | jelly: but, from manpage "diratime -- Update directory inode access times on this filesystem. This is the default." |
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| 16:06.49 | yoshio | gyscos, msg the judd bot like "/msg judd file shaper" or type ",file shaper" (need the comma in front for the second example) |
| 16:07.03 | gyscos | Just out of curiosity, how painful is the lenny->squeeze upgrade process ? |
| 16:07.07 | jelly | bombay: if it's the manpage for mount, refering to ext3, it's out of date |
| 16:07.39 | jelly | bombay: I have "defaults,barrier=1,usrquota" in fstab for this filesystem: /dev/md0p7 /home ext3 rw,relatime,resuid=1000,errors=continue,commit=5,barrier=1,data=ordered,usrquota 0 0 |
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| 16:08.05 | cutout | how can I install squashfs-modules? |
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| 16:08.26 | jelly | cutout: why? |
| 16:08.41 | cutout | because remasersys needs it |
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| 16:09.02 | bombay | jelly: thanks, where i can check those full info on mount option? |
| 16:09.04 | vahni | how to upgrade just one specific package? |
| 16:09.33 | jelly | vahni: just install it again, aptitude install packagename or apt-get install packagename |
| 16:09.51 | vahni | jelly thanks! :D |
| 16:10.09 | vahni | jelly, maybe apt-get install -reinstall packagename |
| 16:10.14 | jelly | vahni: no. |
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| 16:11.21 | jelly | cutout: I can't find that remastersys (spelling?) to check its dependencies, what's the package name? |
| 16:12.09 | cutout | http://geekconnection.org/remastersys/debian.html |
| 16:12.19 | mah454 | I need download debian 5 ... Please take me link ... |
| 16:12.30 | jelly | cutout: squashfs-modules should not be needed on a recent debian because the kernel already has those |
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| 16:12.43 | cutout | ah OK |
| 16:12.53 | foetus | hy |
| 16:13.01 | mah454 | I need download debian 5 ... Please give me link ... |
| 16:13.15 | cutout | am ubuntu user, and am having trouble to fine the soures.list file on debian |
| 16:13.52 | cutout | nevermind just found it |
| 16:13.55 | jelly | cutout: eh? /etc/apt/sources.list ... if that's different, what else is |
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| 16:14.25 | mah454 | I need download debian 5 ... Please give me link ... |
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| 16:16.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell mah454 about lenny iso |
| 16:16.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell mah454 about repeat |
| 16:16.30 | Nanako | Is there any website like the FreshPorts, but for the apt? |
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| 16:16.46 | jelly | Nanako: what does that site do? |
| 16:16.51 | cahoot | what's freshports? |
| 16:16.54 | foetus | what is the best solution for translating words de-en en-de under console in debian (no laughter :))? |
| 16:17.15 | jelly | foetus: uh... a wrapper around translate.google.com? :-) |
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| 16:18.07 | foetus | jelly: and offline? i found translate, ding, freedict... |
| 16:18.09 | yoshio | mah454: why not install squeeze (it was released as stable in February) |
| 16:18.10 | jhutchins_lt | Nanako: The debian software process is different, it emphasizes testing and quality rather than hoping the latest upstream has the most bugfixes - which it usually doesn't. |
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| 16:18.16 | yoshio | !tell mah454 about squeeze |
| 16:18.28 | buhman | how would I switch from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 16:19.15 | jelly | buhman: note that testing may be broken at any time, and not really supported in this channel. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:19.53 | foetus | dpkg gives funny answers -- |
| 16:19.53 | dpkg | foetus: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 16:20.01 | foetus | !dictionary |
| 16:20.17 | bombay | foetus, sdcv |
| 16:20.35 | foetus | will take a look.. |
| 16:20.38 | mah454 | yoshio I go to install DirectAdmin ... |
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| 16:20.45 | Nanako | <jhutchins_lt> Okay, where I can get info about package dependencies? |
| 16:21.06 | mah454 | yoshio DirectAdmin is alpha for squesse |
| 16:22.20 | jelly | mah454: did you get private messages from "dpkg" bot? |
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| 16:23.31 | buhman | jelly: thanks |
| 16:23.35 | GarmaZed | o/ |
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| 16:23.54 | mah454 | yoshio tnx :) |
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| 16:24.46 | foetus | bombay: thats interesting to me - stardict, thanks.. |
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| 16:25.04 | Nanako | I've found it, <sarcasm>Thx</sarcasm> |
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| 16:26.33 | gyscos | !tell gyscos about squeeze |
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| 16:27.22 | yoshio | gyscos: you can type "/msg dpkg squeeze" for the same effect |
| 16:27.31 | gyscos | Yeah, was just testing the command :) |
| 16:28.07 | jelly | Nanako: you're going to use a lot of those sarcasm tags, irc doesn't mean immediate answers |
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| 16:28.30 | gyscos | <_< just started upgrading from lenny to squeeze, I feel I,m gonna regret it this night fixing this grub->grub2 migration... |
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| 16:29.13 | levi501d | i'm upgrading my box to 24gb anyone know of some articles or tips on optimizing for that much ram? i figured i'd turn off swap completely for one |
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| 16:30.52 | levi501d | debian squeeze -> kde4 + i7 + 24gb ram, have 9gb currently, it does a good job, but there are times when its laggy, im assuming this is due to swappieness, but maybe a few other things? |
| 16:31.15 | gyscos | graphic card ? |
| 16:31.23 | gyscos | You're using 3D effects ? |
| 16:31.29 | treebeen | maybe it's KDE? |
| 16:31.55 | cahoot | maybe the kernel feels at loss in the vast space? |
| 16:32.14 | levi501d | haha :D, 2 nvidia gtx 260's |
| 16:32.17 | levi501d | no 3d effects |
| 16:32.46 | levi501d | im guessing there is an argument about whether or not gnome or kde is faster? or is that a non-arg? |
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| 16:32.53 | project2501a | hey guys: where do cgi programs go under? /usr/lib ? |
| 16:32.57 | jelly | levi501d: define laggy |
| 16:33.12 | treebeen | levi501d: is it a server? |
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| 16:33.26 | jelly | kde4 on a server? |
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| 16:33.33 | levi501d | when i first get on the computer in the morning some apps are pretty slow (not a server, personal workhorse) i run vm's on it as well. |
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| 16:34.06 | jelly | levi501d: do you monitor swap usage? |
| 16:34.08 | foetus | doesn't like scrollkeeper too much..but dictionary likes it |
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| 16:34.29 | levi501d | just seems like it shouldnt lag out as hard as it does, so good example, loading up netbeans, after i open a big project, its just slow, but I have 9gb ram, so it seems like that wouldn't affect it |
| 16:34.48 | foetus | :) |
| 16:35.16 | levi501d | yeah i do have a monitor up showing swap usage |
| 16:36.19 | jelly | levi501d: does it change during the night and when you do whatever you do in the morning? |
| 16:36.20 | treebeen | swap shouldn't be used like that... right? |
| 16:37.02 | jelly | treebeen: like what? |
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| 16:37.05 | levi501d | http://img853.imageshack.us/i/plasmadesktopnf3312.jpg/ |
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| 16:38.03 | Bushmills | levi501d: pretty much a non-arg, in case of gnome. it is a suite of programs, not a single program. performance depends on what you're actually running |
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| 16:38.10 | jelly | feels stupid and unable to zoom to the relevant part of the picture |
| 16:38.18 | thewanderer1 | hi. one of my disks in RAID1 (mdraid) has just fried. I've rebooted, and GRUB seemed to like the idea, because it kept rebooting me to infinity... (Loading Operating System... CLICK). why? |
| 16:38.21 | levi501d | http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/797/plasmadesktopnf3312.jpg |
| 16:38.28 | levi501d | *for jelly :) |
| 16:38.29 | kabars_edge | jelly: it's not you, it's the interface |
| 16:38.37 | Bushmills | concerns people have mostly is memory/disk use. |
| 16:38.47 | treebeen | levi501d: ah, linode, hmm, hmm |
| 16:39.13 | jelly | levi501d: there're no timestamps |
| 16:39.18 | levi501d | arr, tons, its just i think i should have more performance out of this box, this is usage when im not really doing anything. course i do have a lot of stuff open |
| 16:39.25 | levi501d | that was about 2 minutes ago |
| 16:39.47 | levi501d | i have 2 vm's running using 2gb ram, but i have 9gb ram right now, so i shouldnt have to use swap |
| 16:40.05 | levi501d | just curious if there were some tuning things i could do for when i get my 24gb later today |
| 16:40.20 | treebeen | levi501d: is swap used or not? |
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| 16:40.22 | kabars_edge | levi501d: Not necessarily, Gnome is very resource intensive. |
| 16:40.23 | jelly | levi501d: well, monitor it over say a 24hr period, then see if you have active pageout during the night that needs paging back in in the morn |
| 16:40.34 | levi501d | kabars_edge: this is kde |
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| 16:40.50 | levi501d | yeah, what if i turned off swap entirely? |
| 16:40.58 | levi501d | i shouldnt need it with that much ram anyways right |
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| 16:41.04 | jelly | levi501d: if your sysctl vm.swappiness is set to (default?) 60, you could preemptively tune it lower, to say 10 or 1 |
| 16:41.07 | kabars_edge | levi501d: same difference, move to XFCE or LXDE, use Slim instead of XDM/GDM/KDM |
| 16:41.35 | treebeen | levi501d: i wouldn't turn it off, but do what jelly says |
| 16:41.38 | jelly | levi501d: but you don't want to switch off swap completely because the VM gets confused then |
| 16:42.09 | levi501d | ahh gotcha |
| 16:42.12 | thewanderer1 | any hints about GRUB reboot loop on squeeze? |
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| 16:42.22 | levi501d | thanks all :) appreciate the help |
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| 16:46.43 | Ghis | Anyone know how i can get sound out on HDMI on sandybridge? |
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| 16:47.43 | gyscos | Dams, i upgraded mysql from 5.0 to 5.1 and it wont boot anymore |
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| 16:52.37 | thewanderer1 | alright, I've reinstalled GRUB (grub-install), but it still reboots my system instead of displaying the menu, and I'm trapped in a reboot loop |
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| 16:55.34 | Bushmills | how do you know that it is grub, rebooting? |
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| 16:56.01 | peta | hello everybody |
| 16:56.34 | thewanderer1 | well, what else can reboot my system? |
| 16:56.41 | Bushmills | a missing grub |
| 16:56.41 | thewanderer1 | (before the menu is presented) |
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| 16:57.03 | thewanderer1 | wouldn't I get some fancy "No operating system" message from BIOS, then? |
| 16:57.17 | Bushmills | not necessarily |
| 16:57.44 | thewanderer1 | oh hm. MBR requires me to have bootable flag on... |
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| 16:57.54 | Bushmills | how would BIOS know that whatever code is found in the MBR (which may reboot your system) isn't there on purpose? |
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| 16:58.12 | thewanderer1 | I've just run grub-install, it finished successfully |
| 16:58.24 | thewanderer1 | but maybe I'll have better results with bootable flag set to on :P |
| 16:58.33 | thewanderer1 | let's see... |
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| 16:58.41 | Bushmills | nope. grub doesn't care about bootable flag |
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| 16:58.50 | thewanderer1 | I know, but my BIOS might, I think |
| 16:59.05 | Bushmills | your bios doesn't check those |
| 16:59.10 | thewanderer1 | let's hope so |
| 16:59.24 | Bushmills | that's a flag for bootstrap loaders, such as those with msdos |
| 16:59.25 | peta | when I place shared libs in /usr/lib/mylibs/ will they automatically be found or must I create symlinks to them in /usr/lib/? |
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| 16:59.47 | Bushmills | they are used instead of a menu to determine what partition to boot from |
| 17:00.02 | thewanderer1 | anyway, I've enabled the bootable flag in MBR... anything I can do to ensure that GRUB shows up? |
| 17:00.28 | Bushmills | other than installing it? |
| 17:00.37 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it's installed with grub-install |
| 17:00.50 | Bushmills | have you generated a grub.conf? |
| 17:00.54 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 17:01.08 | thewanderer1 | actually, grub.cfg |
| 17:01.16 | Bushmills | right |
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| 17:02.33 | thewanderer1 | I've deleted the old (now absent) disk entry from device.map - let's see how it goes this time |
| 17:02.35 | Bushmills | you could dd if=/dev/sda bs=256 count=2|hexdump -C and see whether you find "GRUB" there somewhere |
| 17:02.40 | Bushmills | assuming your sda is your boot drive |
| 17:02.47 | DammitJim | I changed my eth0 interface from auto to static |
| 17:02.54 | DammitJim | then did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:02.59 | DammitJim | and now I have lost the connection via ssh |
| 17:03.04 | DammitJim | is there anything I can do? |
| 17:03.11 | DammitJim | I did see: Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 17:03.16 | DammitJim | am I dead in the water? |
| 17:03.28 | Bushmills | DammitJim: log in again, on the address you have configured as static |
| 17:03.28 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: yeah, there's the usual GRUB stuff there |
| 17:03.45 | DammitJim | I tried... it's a no go for ssh to the old or new IP address |
| 17:04.02 | thewanderer1 | be right back, trying out the new config |
| 17:04.17 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: disktype /dev/sda may be informative |
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| 17:04.24 | thewanderer1 | ("config" being actually a combination of stuff I've just changed) |
| 17:04.42 | levi501d | ok another question i have yet to fnd an answer to. I overclock my cpu in bios, but Debian is still showing it at its base clock |
| 17:06.08 | DammitJim | I see... I think I missed placing the auto eth0 line in the interfaces file... so, that's why |
| 17:06.09 | DammitJim | ugh |
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| 17:06.57 | rindolf | Hi all. Where is the physical git repository of http://git.snow-crash.org/?p=paste.pl.git;a=summary ? |
| 17:06.59 | freeone3000 | I'm having some trouble upgrading dpkg on a arm system. http://pastebin.com/my9tbmFB is my console log; any helpful hints? |
| 17:07.21 | freeone3000 | rindolf: git://git.snow-crash.org/ |
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| 17:07.22 | foetus | <dpkg> I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. :):) |
| 17:07.33 | rindolf | freeone3000: thanks. |
| 17:07.45 | rindolf | freeone3000: recent git-webs mention it on the page/ |
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| 17:08.19 | freeone3000 | rindolf: You're looking at a git-web page. Run git over it, and it's the repository. |
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| 17:10.36 | freeone3000 | Huh. Seems like I'm using old repos; when trying to get new repos I get a "404: no such file found binary-arm". Checking squeeze, I see "binary-armel" but no "binary-arm". Is it safe to switch between the two? If so, how? |
| 17:10.55 | rindolf | freeone3000: git clone git://git.snow-crash.org/paste.pl.git for the record. |
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| 17:11.05 | rindolf | freeone3000: run git over it? What do you mean? |
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| 17:11.12 | thewanderer1 | now I get a black screen instead of GRUB menu, and no input reactions |
| 17:11.35 | freeone3000 | rindolf: What you just did. Forget most of what I said; it was a helpful guess based on my efforts with git. |
| 17:11.48 | rindolf | freeone3000: ah, OK. |
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| 17:15.47 | JAAAAAAA | the other question is do i need new hard drive ?? |
| 17:15.49 | JAAAAAAA | i have got green hard drive disk 5400 rpms |
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| 17:16.14 | freeone3000 | JAAAAAAA: What's wrong with it? |
| 17:16.27 | JAAAAAAA | nothing but 5400 rpms |
| 17:16.49 | JAAAAAAA | but 64 mb cach |
| 17:16.51 | JAAAAAAA | e |
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| 17:17.28 | JAAAAAAA | ok then i will install ubuntu |
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| 17:19.36 | Bushmills | as if anybody would care |
| 17:19.42 | jelly | would care |
| 17:20.12 | Bushmills | on your own machine, probably |
| 17:20.25 | JAAAAAAA | or is debian better |
| 17:20.27 | JAAAAAAA | i do not know |
| 17:20.45 | Bushmills | ask #ubuntu why ubuntu is better |
| 17:20.46 | abrotman | JAAAAAAA: this channel is for debian support |
| 17:20.49 | jelly | JAAAAAAA: you're asking in #debian, which answer do you expect honestly |
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| 17:21.05 | abrotman | figured |
| 17:21.27 | jelly | irc is hard to use! |
| 17:21.35 | foetus | that goes fast |
| 17:21.57 | freeone3000 | So I've got http://pastebin.com/my9tbmFB . It's causing dpkg to not install. The only issue is that it can't chmod a non-existant file with an invalid name. I... don't see why this is a problem. I need this fixed so I can run dpkg-architecture and upgrade the system. Any suggestions? |
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| 17:23.09 | freeone3000 | Neither /var/cache/apt/archives nor /var/lib/apt contains the dpkg .deb, so I can't just modify the postinstall script myself... |
| 17:25.11 | jelly | freeone3000: hm, is one of your filesystems horribly full perhaps? |
| 17:25.41 | abrotman | or dying |
| 17:25.53 | freeone3000 | jelly: All report between 63MB and 1.7GB available, within normal operating procedure. |
| 17:25.53 | blakkheim | my /var/log/auth.log is empty even after i ssh in or do su, any ideas what's wrong? |
| 17:25.54 | jelly | freeone3000: the postinst script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg.postinst, since the package is already installed but merely not configured yet |
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| 17:26.40 | jelly | freeone3000: and a repeated dpkg --configure -a run shows the very same error? |
| 17:26.57 | jelly | ,versions dpkg |
| 17:26.59 | judd | Package dpkg on i386 -- lenny: 1.14.31; lenny-security: 1.14.31; squeeze: 1.15.8.10; sid: 1.16.0.2; wheezy: 1.16.0.2 |
| 17:27.07 | freeone3000 | jelly: Exact same. |
| 17:27.16 | jelly | intriguing |
| 17:27.24 | freeone3000 | (Version in question is 1.14.19 (arm)) |
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| 17:28.07 | jelly | freeone3000: add set -x to the postinst as first uncommented line, pastebin the output of dpkg --configure -a again please |
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| 17:29.06 | freeone3000 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/Ci3N0mMi |
| 17:29.22 | DammitJim | I'm trying to get spamassassin to work on my squeeze server with exim4, but it doesn't seem to be filtering anything |
| 17:29.32 | jelly | blinks at |
| 17:29.37 | DammitJim | is there something special I need to configure on exim4? |
| 17:29.43 | jelly | + chown 0:4 /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:29.44 | jelly | chown: changing ownership of `\274\222\001': No such file or directory |
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| 17:30.45 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Is your /home in tact? |
| 17:30.55 | DammitJim | kabars_edge, I'm about to find out :D |
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| 17:31.12 | freeone3000 | jelly: Yeah, no clue on that one. File totally exists, that's a pathname, and... I assume it'll be safe to comment out that line and do it manually, this time. |
| 17:31.26 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
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| 17:31.27 | jelly | freeone3000: well, a naive approarch would be to verify root is uid 0, group adm is group 4 at present time, shrug and comment out the numeric chown |
| 17:31.45 | jelly | freeone3000: it's possible you have a weird chown in the path |
| 17:31.46 | DammitJim | yeah, it's all there, kabars_edge :) |
| 17:32.00 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Look at this walk through for Exim/Spam Assassin |
| 17:32.00 | kabars_edge | http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-mail-server-using-exim4-clamav-dovecot-spamassassin-and-many-more-on-debian |
| 17:32.40 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: It's not all pertaining to your setup, but it will help you get SA up and running |
| 17:32.41 | DammitJim | kabars_edge, thanks... I've looked at that tutorial, but it didn't work for me |
| 17:32.51 | kabars_edge | Dammit Jim |
| 17:32.57 | DammitJim | SA is up and running... it just seems that it's not filtering anything |
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| 17:33.04 | DammitJim | or exim4 is not picking up the spam tags |
| 17:33.21 | freeone3000 | jelly: That finished the install, but running the chown manually produced the exact same error. Very, very interesting. |
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| 17:33.38 | DammitJim | when one installs squeeze and installs SQL as part of the packages (the window that says graphical user interfaace, web server, etc), what sql software does it install? |
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| 17:34.05 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: MySql |
| 17:34.20 | freeone3000 | jelly: Anyway, problem solved-ish, thanks. |
| 17:34.28 | DammitJim | ok, then I guess I just need to configure it because it's not running by default |
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| 17:35.16 | DammitJim | weird... all I have is /etc/bash_completion.d/mysqladmin |
| 17:35.41 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Is it the admin interface or the Sql server that's not running? |
| 17:35.51 | kabars_edge | ps aux | grep mysql |
| 17:35.57 | jelly | freeone3000: now you can... UPGRADE TO LENNY! :-D |
| 17:35.58 | DammitJim | nothing returns, kabars_edge |
| 17:36.09 | freeone3000 | jelly: Well, first, I need to switch from arm to armel, but that's the plan, yeah. :) |
| 17:36.14 | DammitJim | root 2059 0.0 0.0 3300 744 pts/0 S+ 13:36 0:00 grep mysql |
| 17:36.21 | DammitJim | I swear I selected sql to be installed |
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| 17:36.34 | jelly | freeone3000: oh arm. I know I've seen that exact chown thing somewhere |
| 17:36.46 | jelly | my NAS doesn't do armel |
| 17:36.57 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: Do you have chkconfig installed? chkconfig --list | grep mysql |
| 17:37.27 | DammitJim | no, but I can install it |
| 17:37.34 | kabars_edge | get er done! |
| 17:37.48 | jelly | DammitJim: what about grep post instead |
| 17:37.49 | DammitJim | that command returns nothing |
| 17:37.54 | freeone3000 | jelly: To be honest, I'm not entirely sure about the difference. |
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| 17:38.05 | jelly | freeone3000: "el" |
| 17:38.05 | DammitJim | jelly, what do you mean? |
| 17:38.12 | highclasshole | I'm debating using zfs vs. btrfs for home file storage can anyone comment |
| 17:38.16 | kabars_edge | he's asking you to grep for Postgresql |
| 17:38.25 | highclasshole | I understand zfs is more mature and almost certainly more stable |
| 17:38.27 | jelly | DammitJim: postgresql is a decent sql db. mysql... is less decent |
| 17:38.28 | kabars_edge | but I can promise you, it installed mysql by defualt |
| 17:38.30 | DammitJim | yup |
| 17:38.40 | DammitJim | so, it installs postgress, not mysql |
| 17:38.42 | highclasshole | but this isn't a production machine, just for home use |
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| 17:38.43 | kabars_edge | I prefer postgresal |
| 17:38.46 | kabars_edge | postgresql |
| 17:38.48 | jelly | DammitJim: good thing! |
| 17:38.50 | DammitJim | yup |
| 17:39.02 | DammitJim | ps -A | grep post returned what I thought it would return |
| 17:39.05 | DammitJim | now, how do I remove it? LOL |
| 17:39.10 | highclasshole | anyone? |
| 17:39.11 | rindolf | DammitJim: pkill |
| 17:39.16 | rindolf | DammitJim: or kill |
| 17:39.17 | kabars_edge | remove what postgresql? |
| 17:39.26 | DammitJim | I need to use mysql 'cause I have a bunch of scripts created for mysql |
| 17:39.28 | jelly | DammitJim: ... that's because you asked for SQL, not some weird thing that accepts 2011-02-31 in a date/time field |
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| 17:39.34 | DammitJim | apt-get remove postgresql will do it? |
| 17:39.42 | rindolf | highclasshole: I only have experience with ext3, XFS, and ext4. |
| 17:39.43 | DammitJim | LOL @ jelly ... I agree |
| 17:39.51 | rindolf | highclasshole: they all work pretty well. |
| 17:39.54 | DammitJim | I'm just happy I was able to move away from Ubuntu 8.10! |
| 17:39.58 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: dpkg -l | grep postgresql | xargs apt-get remove |
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| 17:40.09 | jelly | kabars_edge: wrong |
| 17:40.11 | peta | I want to create a deb package for a bunch of shared libs. How can I specify their dependencies? (other shlibs like libpthread/librt/libgcc_s/asf.) |
| 17:40.12 | kabars_edge | wait, that won't work |
| 17:40.13 | kabars_edge | sorry |
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| 17:40.17 | DammitJim | kabars_edge, is that better than apt-get remove? |
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| 17:40.48 | Th3DarKZi0N | hi people! |
| 17:40.51 | jelly | peta: there's this dh_shlibdeps tool |
| 17:40.55 | highclasshole | rindolf: I want a file system with compression and snapshot support |
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| 17:41.05 | rindolf | highclasshole: ah, OK. |
| 17:41.36 | jelly | peta: might want to read the new maintainer's guide, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 17:42.18 | jelly | peta: sorry to point you to generic docs, I don't know where exactly library packaging is discussed |
| 17:42.30 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: just trying to save you some steps, hold on a sec |
| 17:42.39 | peta | jelly: i'll dive into that guid (and dh_shlibdeps) .. thanks |
| 17:42.46 | DammitJim | thanks, dude |
| 17:42.47 | kabars_edge | DammitJim: but honestly, just do an apt-get remove packagename |
| 17:43.13 | DammitJim | that's what I was going to do |
| 17:43.18 | DammitJim | I was about to press y |
| 17:43.19 | DammitJim | lol |
| 17:43.36 | thewanderer1 | now I see: Welcome to GRUB, and then the system reboots |
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| 17:45.37 | jelly | peta: dh_shlibdeps is part of debhelper |
| 17:45.49 | dirtycookie | hi i have a AVM Fritz DSL SL card and wanted to know if debian supports this dsl card |
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| 17:47.16 | thewanderer1 | apparently GRUB is touching a memory region or a disk region over DMA that it should not |
| 17:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know how to get a Palm phone to accept a self-signed ssl cert? |
| 17:48.00 | thewanderer1 | oh. damn. unicode.pf2... sounds familiar... |
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| 17:51.01 | thewanderer1 | can GRUB2 access files on ext4 with extents? |
| 17:51.51 | thewanderer1 | guess we'll see in a moment |
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| 17:55.11 | jelly | thewanderer1: this is why we still put up a separate /boot isn't it |
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| 17:56.50 | Miesco_ | Whenever I add us.debian as my repository I don't see any packages in the repository just the ones installed |
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| 17:57.22 | Miesco_ | http://pastebin.com/442YHgvs |
| 17:57.47 | Miesco_ | How do I know what to put in my sources.list? |
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| 17:59.47 | jelly | Miesco_: run "apt-get update", then "apt-cache policy" with that sources.list. Pastebin the output of both commands. |
| 17:59.56 | Miesco_ | k |
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| 18:00.54 | Miesco_ | Its working now though |
| 18:00.59 | Miesco_ | do I need deb-src? |
| 18:01.01 | Miesco_ | Whats that for? |
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| 18:01.51 | jelly | Miesco_: the only obvious thing I see is that you don't need the last "/" in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, just "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian" should be ok, but it should make a big problem |
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| 18:03.51 | crum | A customer sends me an email beginning with "Hi Mark," how should I head my reply email? |
| 18:04.15 | crum | Hi, Hey, Dear, Yo, nothing at all but the name? |
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| 18:05.58 | deepy | crum: reply with Hey there Delilah, |
| 18:06.01 | dvs | Miesco_: you only need a deb-src if you intend to compile packages from source. |
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| 18:15.01 | DammitJim | man, why is phpmyadmin asking me to download a file, when it should be re-routing me to phpmyadmin/index.php? |
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| 18:17.52 | Tiffy | misconfigured/installed php? |
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| 18:18.58 | DammitJim | probably... just wonder what I'm missing |
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| 18:19.04 | DammitJim | I have no .htaccess files either |
| 18:19.13 | DammitJim | and I thought that was part of apache2? |
| 18:19.19 | torrancew | DammitJim: it's not a required part |
| 18:19.22 | warp0x00 | why is grub2 so much more of a pita than grub 1 was |
| 18:19.35 | warp0x00 | shakes his fist |
| 18:20.00 | thewanderer1 | jelly: yes, but GRUB2 in all its wisdom loads unicode.pf2 from /usr, while it also exists in /boot by default :P |
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| 18:20.31 | thewanderer1 | anyway, my problem doesn't seem to be related to this unicode stuff... but without grub.cfg, it works, despite not showing a menu (what could I expect...) |
| 18:21.34 | thewanderer1 | so it's either a bug in the scripts in /etc/grub.d, or an unknown interaction between legitimate instructions in GRUB and a specific hardware/software configuration |
| 18:21.55 | thewanderer1 | (which is also why I still prefer menu.lst to grub.cfg :P ) |
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| 18:23.23 | warp0x00 | i have a seperate /boot and grub2 is still being a pain |
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| 18:25.02 | thewanderer1 | I'd probably launch it all from LILO, but RAID support is a necessity here |
| 18:25.19 | warp0x00 | what raid level? |
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| 18:25.48 | thewanderer1 | RAID1 |
| 18:26.14 | warp0x00 | isnt that transparent for blocklists? |
| 18:27.09 | thewanderer1 | haha, blocklists cause reboots for me no matter what, GRUB2 in native mode - only with a defunct grub.cfg, which I'm trying to inspect right now :P |
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| 18:28.38 | warp0x00 | i use grub 1 on raid 1 with zero problems for years |
| 18:29.02 | thewanderer1 | GRUB1 eh? Squeeze told me to upgrade once, and it worked until today |
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| 18:29.39 | warp0x00 | i think i am using GRUB 2 on RAID 1 on my desktop right now |
| 18:29.53 | rpgdude | does anyone know if debian has a program like sd formatter? |
| 18:29.57 | crum | I made some music, and now I'm collecting my mechanical royalties from universal music group. So the dude from universal emails me saying Hi <my name> and I want to know how I should greet in return. I usually say hi but if he said hi, then I think it's a bit stale doesn't come off as sincere. |
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| 18:30.04 | crum | So what should I say in the begginning of my email? |
| 18:30.22 | thewanderer1 | crum: â ##English |
| 18:30.26 | warp0x00 | that is definitely a debian support issue crum |
| 18:30.57 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
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| 18:31.07 | warp0x00 | thewanderer1, maybe you can force a reinstall of grub-pc and then run grub-install again? |
| 18:31.19 | thewanderer1 | warp0x00: did it a few times today |
| 18:31.20 | rpgdude | i want to format my sd card according the sda specifications |
| 18:31.58 | Aristide | Hi ! |
| 18:32.00 | prince_jammys | crum: probably one of the most insane questions i've seen on irc. |
| 18:32.05 | Aristide | I have a problem with Akonadi and mysql |
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| 18:32.26 | rpgdude | mkdosfs doesnt seem to format the sd according to the sda specs |
| 18:32.28 | Aristide | Wait a send a pastebin's link for log |
| 18:32.37 | Aristide | http://pastebin.com/Ge0g8T1S (Line : 156) |
| 18:32.52 | rpgdude | i dont think mkdosfs even cares what type of device you use |
| 18:32.58 | Aristide | He don't want to start if i use mysql, and if i use internal database, it is a same problem |
| 18:33.22 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: of course it doesn't, it's all abstraction |
| 18:33.40 | rpgdude | yeah but thats a problem |
| 18:33.47 | thewanderer1 | why would you need some other format? |
| 18:33.58 | rpgdude | because my reader freezes up |
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| 18:34.17 | rpgdude | if the sd card isnt formatted according to the sda specifications |
| 18:34.19 | Aristide | Can you help me please ? :o |
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| 18:34.48 | rpgdude | the sd formatter on sdcard.org does some kind of special formatting to meet these specs |
| 18:34.57 | thewanderer1 | can you run it in wine? |
| 18:35.06 | rpgdude | i didnt try |
| 18:35.10 | Aristide | Its very emergency, i must power of my computer in five minutes >< |
| 18:35.20 | warp0x00 | what is the exact issue |
| 18:35.27 | warp0x00 | i.e. what is mkdosfs doing wrong |
| 18:35.34 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: if that doesn't work, read the specification and dd your way through (or KHexEdit? :P ) |
| 18:35.40 | rpgdude | i dont see why it wouldnt work, but we should have a native app to format sd cards |
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| 18:36.28 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: SD cards present the same interface to the OS as disks, so there's no special "format", apart from block layout or so |
| 18:36.41 | thewanderer1 | thus you should be able to do that with fdisk if you know the spec |
| 18:37.32 | warp0x00 | rpgdude, what is mkdosfs doing wrong exactly |
| 18:38.17 | rpgdude | i was reading something about it |
| 18:38.22 | rpgdude | let me see if i can find it |
| 18:39.08 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: maybe you're just creating the FS on MBR whereas you should make it straight on the block device start or vice versa? |
| 18:39.11 | rpgdude | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Block_erasure |
| 18:39.33 | rpgdude | im creating the fs on part1 |
| 18:40.00 | torrancew | rpgdude: that has far more implications with secure file deletion than with creating an fs |
| 18:40.15 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: now get rid of the partition, and make FS on the whole device |
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| 18:41.12 | rpgdude | will this really make a difference? |
| 18:41.49 | torrancew | it can |
| 18:42.37 | warp0x00 | rpgdude, is the card not working properly after mkdosfs formatted? |
| 18:42.39 | rpgdude | i think basically the answer to my original question is: no debian doesnt have an alternative to sd formatter |
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| 18:43.17 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: I think it makes a difference, because: |
| 18:43.18 | rpgdude | the card works, but my reader freezes, something to do with fs not being optimized |
| 18:43.40 | thewanderer1 | the reader does not have to bother itself with MBR support - in fact, why should it? |
| 18:43.43 | warp0x00 | it might be an alignment issue |
| 18:43.44 | rpgdude | it looks like it works fine when using the sd formatter from sdcard.org |
| 18:43.56 | thewanderer1 | have you tried with FS spanning the whole device? |
| 18:44.02 | rpgdude | no i havent |
| 18:44.07 | thewanderer1 | try it, then |
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| 18:44.12 | rpgdude | i can try it later |
| 18:44.31 | rpgdude | ill let you know how it goes |
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| 18:44.55 | warp0x00 | thinks its an alignment issue |
| 18:45.24 | torrancew | yeah, I've seen more than one flash-based storage device that was much happier with an fs spanning the whole device |
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| 18:45.29 | rpgdude | what do you mean by alignment issue? |
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| 18:45.49 | torrancew | aligning the FS with the block structure of the device |
| 18:45.54 | warp0x00 | yeah |
| 18:46.03 | warp0x00 | or your card reader just sucks |
| 18:46.25 | torrancew | ya |
| 18:46.59 | thewanderer1 | alignment issue is probably caused by aligning it to an MBR partition :P |
| 18:47.21 | rpgdude | alright, but the sdcard came with mbr i think |
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| 18:47.49 | rpgdude | ill admit the card reader is picky |
| 18:48.22 | rpgdude | but i cant really do anything about the reader |
| 18:48.46 | rpgdude | so im trying to do all i can with the sdcard |
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| 18:49.29 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: all pendrives and cards come with MBR, which doesn't mean they are SDA-certified... was there a label on the box? :P |
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| 18:51.47 | rpgdude | well |
| 18:52.19 | rpgdude | everything i have read on the internet says to resolve freezing issue, format the sd with sd formatter from sdcard.org |
| 18:52.31 | rpgdude | but the software only has windows version |
| 18:52.45 | robblesz | Can anyone offer tips on tuning sysctl parameters for a Lenny server hosting a forum with 500Mbit/s traffic? |
| 18:53.02 | rpgdude | i have a windows machine at work, so i used that, but i was just curious if debian had something similar that was native |
| 18:53.06 | robblesz | Looking to get the most out of my stack but unsure as to what is approriate |
| 18:53.09 | robblesz | *appropriate |
| 18:53.26 | thewanderer1 | rpgdude: just look at the hexdump, and write your own small script to do the same :) |
| 18:53.35 | warp0x00 | lol |
| 18:53.36 | warp0x00 | yeah! |
| 18:53.58 | rpgdude | yeah, thats not a bad idea, i could submit patch for mkdosfs |
| 18:54.12 | rpgdude | sd option |
| 18:54.14 | thewanderer1 | (I wonder if they hunt people for breaking trade secrets or something... :P ) |
| 18:54.33 | thewanderer1 | keep in mind that mkdosfs only makes a filesystem |
| 18:54.40 | rpgdude | sda is open spec though i think |
| 18:54.49 | thewanderer1 | I'm still of the opinion that it's MBR which breaks stuff |
| 18:55.03 | rpgdude | well i will give that a try too |
| 18:55.06 | rpgdude | just to see |
| 18:55.24 | jhutchins_lt | rpgdude: People have had pretty good luck formatting cards with linux. |
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| 18:55.45 | thewanderer1 | it also probably coincides with luck choosing SD card readers :) |
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| 18:56.36 | rpgdude | yeah i think the reader is just super picky |
| 18:57.13 | kabars_edge | sorry everyone, didn't mean to bail, but gotta pay the bills |
| 18:58.02 | fbs | im trying to remove bitlbee, but userdel fails. userdel: user bitlbee is currently logged in. But sudo users doesnt list bitlbee |
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| 18:59.38 | warp0x00 | pgrep -u bitlbee |
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| 18:59.40 | kabars_edge | fbs: did you try pkill -KILL -u bitlbee |
| 19:00.11 | fbs | kabars_edge: looks like that works :) |
| 19:00.32 | kabars_edge | fbs: outstanding |
| 19:00.41 | fbs | great :) |
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| 19:13.40 | thewanderer1 | heeeey GRUB2 now boots |
| 19:13.59 | kabars_edge | Congratulations! |
| 19:14.11 | thewanderer1 | I've disabled the graphical mode (enabled terminal in /etc/default/grub) and it's back to normal |
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| 19:15.56 | RickHull | any recommendations on a config file monitor, i.e. with email alerts on changes? |
| 19:16.54 | kabars_edge | RickHull: You have a file, and if it changes, you want to be notified? |
| 19:16.59 | RickHull | exactly |
| 19:17.03 | torrancew | inotify? |
| 19:17.09 | kabars_edge | tripwire |
| 19:17.25 | RickHull | the substance of the change, ideally |
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| 19:17.48 | RickHull | checking, thanks |
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| 19:18.26 | kabars_edge | RickHull: You could run a cron job that runs a diff against a static file against the file in question, then drop the differences in an email to you |
| 19:19.04 | RickHull | what's funny is I want to monitor crontab specifically :) |
| 19:19.15 | kabars_edge | RickHull: XD |
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| 19:19.58 | Iridos | tripwire does pretty much that... so does rkhunter, I think |
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| 19:21.10 | Iridos | RickHull, nuffin wrong with self-monitoring... you do that in the mirror every morning |
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| 19:21.17 | homie | wtf, i can't compile alsa-driver in wheezy, breaks with there's no linux/autoconf.h |
| 19:21.28 | abrotman | if you want stable, use stable? |
| 19:21.56 | RickHull | really i don't care so much about a static comparison, as changes over time. basically self-documenting and knowledge distribution |
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| 19:22.29 | homie | or breaks with the linux-headers dir could not be found, tho it is linked in /usr/src/linux to the correct linux-headers folder there |
| 19:22.34 | abrotman | RickHull: fam ? |
| 19:22.43 | RickHull | version control would buy the same thing, sorta |
| 19:22.45 | Oday | i get this when i enter my terminal, oday@Odaym:~$ |
| 19:22.50 | Oday | that's username@hostname? |
| 19:22.51 | kabars_edge | homie: doesn't the alsa-driver compile by default during installation? |
| 19:22.53 | RickHull | abrotman: looking it up |
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| 19:23.13 | homie | kabars_edge: no i got the alsa-source package |
| 19:23.14 | abrotman | also inotify |
| 19:23.23 | kabars_edge | Oday: Yes, user name@hostname |
| 19:23.36 | Oday | but i do "hostname ajsdhasd" on terminal and nothing changes |
| 19:23.39 | RickHull | wow, sgi :) http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/ |
| 19:23.40 | Oday | still "Odaym" |
| 19:23.44 | homie | kabars_edge: and that one is maybe not prepared for the 2.6.38-2-686-bigmem kernel |
| 19:23.49 | abrotman | RickHull: inotify is something else to look at |
| 19:23.56 | abrotman | Oday: you'd have to relogin |
| 19:24.02 | Oday | i rebooted |
| 19:24.04 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:24.09 | homie | kabars_edge: or the kernel did go underchange in layout again |
| 19:24.14 | abrotman | Oday: and if you now cat /etc/hostname ? |
| 19:24.25 | Terr1 | If upgrading grub legacy to grub2 remotely.. Is it possible to get grub legacy to try to boot into the chainloader grub2 once and boot its default kernel (automaticly) and if it fails, then fallback to default grub legacy kernel? I know grub2 can dunno if grub-legacy can? If not then youre forced to do a big bang boot? |
| 19:24.31 | Oday | still the same one, abrotman |
| 19:24.38 | kabars_edge | Oday: vi /etc/hostname change it to new hostname, reload the shell or login/out |
| 19:24.39 | abrotman | same one what same one? |
| 19:24.43 | homie | kabars_edge: or i miss something, some package is not extracting properly, or there's another problem which i can't deduce... |
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| 19:25.20 | Oday | ok |
| 19:25.22 | kabars_edge | homie: are you running a custom kernel? |
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| 19:25.51 | homie | i even purged the old alsa-source and reinstalled it afterwards to make sure the new source is pulled in with changes, and i even got the linux-patches package for my kernel and kbuild and kernel tree and linux-support... |
| 19:25.54 | homie | nothing changed |
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| 19:26.41 | homie | kabars_edge: no i'm not running a custom kernel, i copied the .conf file from /boot to the kernel-source dir and just did a make there and make modules there that's all |
| 19:26.59 | homie | kabars_edge: the running one is the distro kernel |
| 19:27.38 | kabars_edge | homie: Why don't you install from binary? apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 19:27.38 | kabars_edge | ~# modprobe alsa |
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| 19:28.16 | homie | kabars_edge: binary is already installed, like in squeeze, but squeeze did not hinder me to compile the alsa-source... |
| 19:28.47 | kabars_edge | homie: if you already installed the binary, why are you trying to recompile over the top of it? |
| 19:29.43 | jeremyn | first time debian install coming from ubuntu, and i'm surprised not to see any network GUIs available by default. is something wrong? |
| 19:30.02 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: No, nothing is wrong |
| 19:30.14 | homie | kabars_edge: i thought i can't play some test.snd file, which is in aiff or au format i think, not even with mplayer, i thought maybe i have to recompile from the sources, maybe something is missing from alsa, but actually sound is working here, it maybe something else |
| 19:30.17 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: Welcome to Linux! |
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| 19:30.59 | robblesz | Hm, if I wanted to add a "alias (...)" line and "options (...)" line to modprobe, where would I do that? |
| 19:31.28 | kabars_edge | homie: Do you have the libaudiofile0 installed? |
| 19:31.36 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: hah, well, there was an error during install about how it couldn't find "iwlwifi" something, which i assumed is some sort of wifi card driver, so i was wondering if it didn't install a network GUI because it didn't find a network card because there's no driver |
| 19:31.49 | homie | kabars_edge: mplayer tells me it has detected au format but cannot determin the bits per sample, and LAVF_header: av_open_input_stream() failed |
| 19:31.49 | homie | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.11 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: That is a possibility, did you tell it to install the Desktop Environment during install? |
| 19:32.29 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: i did "Graphical Install" and used CD 1 only, this is on a laptop |
| 19:32.39 | bonjoyee | robblesz: not sure about the alias..but the options lines go in either /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/<nameofmodule>.conf |
| 19:33.02 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: Was it a full ISO image? app. 650MB? |
| 19:33.07 | kabars_edge | or was it netinstall? |
| 19:33.45 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: full ISO. netinst wasn't an option because it doesn't support WPA |
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| 19:34.45 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: do an ifconfig and tell me if you get any output |
| 19:34.47 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: i think i'm going to copy some interesting .debs over from another system and see if those make things work |
| 19:35.16 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: ifconfig may not be on the system, at least it's not in the path |
| 19:35.29 | robblesz | bonjoyee: I've read that I'm supposed to use udev instead, do you know about that? |
| 19:36.11 | kabars_edge | /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 19:36.35 | bonjoyee | robblesz: no idea about the udev..but i use what i have suggested and it works in debian squeeze |
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| 19:37.04 | robblesz | bonjoyee: thanks, I will try /etc/modprobe.d/<nameofmodule>.conf |
| 19:37.18 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: ah, there it is. it just finds loopback, nothing else. also a bit worried that i can't find "sudo" on the system either. i wonder what other key utilities might be missing |
| 19:37.44 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: well, first of all, we use actual root in Debian |
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| 19:39.18 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: not to argue, but http://wiki.debian.org/sudo makes it sound like sudo should be available by default and its use is encouraged |
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| 19:39.20 | Perdignus | Hello - I'm trying to install virt-manager but I can't "virt-manager : Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 19:39.42 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: I'm running Debian Squeeze and it's not on my system |
| 19:39.45 | Perdignus | Are virt-manager and python-gnome2 now unavailable in Sid? |
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| 19:39.56 | nkuttler | Perdignus: could be |
| 19:40.01 | kabars_edge | Debian is highly configurable per user preferences |
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| 19:40.51 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: "As of DebianSqueeze, if you ask for the Desktop task during the installation, that pulls in sudo with a default configuration that automatically grants sudo-ing rights to any member of the sudo group." -- whatever the "Desktop task" is, i don't remember seeing it, but i wondering if i should have taken it |
| 19:40.56 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: however, comment out all of your non-cd repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and as root try to run apt-get install sudo |
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| 19:41.25 | kabars_edge | jerymyn: I do a net install and select every package that goes on my system individually |
| 19:41.39 | kabars_edge | Welcome to Debian! |
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| 19:42.55 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: when I finish my install, I have a cursor on a black screen, ssh, and internet, and that is it |
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| 19:45.45 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: thanks for your help |
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| 19:46.02 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: Did you get sudo installed? |
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| 19:47.04 | nadar | hi |
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| 19:47.41 | nadar | anyone has a clue if/when this "bug" will get some attention? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg893127.html |
| 19:47.41 | kabars_edge | hello! |
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| 19:48.56 | kabars_edge | nadar: it's in the pipeline, so probably soon |
| 19:49.09 | nadar | kabars_edge, nice, thanks |
| 19:49.39 | kabars_edge | it really comes down to the people who manage those packages, email the package maintainer |
| 19:49.50 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: no. i have to figure out the network problem first by copying stuff over on a usb stick, and now it's complaining that it can't mount my usb stick. |
| 19:51.00 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: the sudo package is on your CD, you should be able to install from your CD repository without network, and most likely, the module you need to support your wireless card is on that install CD as well |
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| 19:51.58 | nadar | kabars_edge, the autoreply from debian bugtracker told me: "Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s):" |
| 19:52.13 | kabars_edge | sweet |
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| 19:52.53 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: the CD is the usb stick i mentioned before, which it can't mount because (if I'm reading dmesg correctly) it is "unable to identify CD-ROM format", which in this case is FAT32 |
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| 19:53.15 | dasdsadssffs | hello |
| 19:53.17 | crum | Does this read nicely to send as an email? http://pastebin.com/1QhxUUu0 |
| 19:53.31 | dasdsadssffs | how can i install debien |
| 19:53.46 | Bushmills | !netinstall |
| 19:53.47 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:54.13 | dasdsadssffs | what is a CD ? |
| 19:54.30 | Bushmills | !ops dasdsadssffs trolling |
| 19:54.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bushmills complains about: dasdsadssffs trolling |
| 19:55.10 | dasdsadssffs | !ops Bushmills trolling |
| 19:55.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dasdsadssffs complains about: Bushmills trolling |
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| 19:55.32 | buhman | who installd debian with a cd anyway? :P |
| 19:55.48 | LoRez | lots of people. |
| 19:56.19 | ompaul | LoRez: a subset of that, lots of people who install debian using CDs ;-) |
| 19:56.29 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: actually, if it's a usb stick, try mounting with usbfs |
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| 19:56.46 | kabars_edge | I install with a CD everytime |
| 19:57.17 | kabars_edge | A lot of private corps and gov't agencies disable their USB ports for booting for security |
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| 19:57.34 | buhman | kabars_edge: but not CD's? |
| 19:57.40 | buhman | kabars_edge: that makes zero sense |
| 19:57.44 | ompaul | kabars_edge: after they got the o/s installed ... |
| 19:57.49 | mentor | Well, if you can get around that, it's failed |
| 19:58.44 | nadar | buhman, if the optical drives are readonly, it can make sense: you can't steal data easily |
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| 19:58.56 | kabars_edge | It's more about the fact they don't want people sticking USB drives in and walking off with 20 GB of sensitive data, so no usb boot/write/execute, just read from the OS |
| 19:59.19 | buhman | nadar: aren't these corporate machines connected to the internet? |
| 19:59.34 | buhman | nadar: I can upload faster than I can write to most USB sticks :P |
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| 20:00.01 | nadar | buhman, i said "easily" besides, the corporates should have networkstaff which should know what they do |
| 20:00.07 | mentor | Punching through a firewall might take more expertise |
| 20:00.14 | kabars_edge | but they limit what you can upload, they do packet state filtering, and limit which websites you can get to |
| 20:00.35 | Bushmills | unless you tunnel your traffic |
| 20:00.43 | buhman | wouldn't volume level encryption make more sense? |
| 20:00.59 | ompaul | kabars_edge: na, it is much sadder than that, no virus media introduced thanks :) |
| 20:01.21 | mentor | I wonder if software could reenable USB |
| 20:01.27 | buhman | mentor: probably not |
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| 20:02.16 | ompaul | mentor: interesting reflashing from a running system with your own defaults ... |
| 20:02.20 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: can't figure out the mount command. |
| 20:02.45 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: tried something like "mount -t usbfs /dev/sdb1 /media/usb" for a /media/usb directory i created |
| 20:02.47 | ompaul | jeremyn: what is to figure out mount -t sometype /start/place /the/target |
| 20:03.07 | ompaul | usbfs is a file system type? |
| 20:03.15 | ompaul | try -t auto |
| 20:03.46 | jeremyn | ompaul: that worked, thanks |
| 20:04.14 | jeremyn | ompaul: i wonder why automount couldn't figure that out on its own |
| 20:04.20 | ompaul | jeremyn: do yourself a favour "man mount" and then /vfstype |
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| 20:06.26 | jeremyn | ompaul: it looks like usbfs is a valid filesystem type. |
| 20:06.37 | kabars_edge | ompaul: yes, usbfs is a file system type http://pastie.org/1820316 |
| 20:06.51 | ompaul | jeremyn: and I wonder if you type mount what it tells you your machine is |
| 20:07.02 | ompaul | jeremyn: what your mount is that is |
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| 20:07.50 | dirtycookie | i wanted to know what is the oder to "make" |
| 20:07.53 | jeremyn | ompaul: the usb is vfat, which is what i tried before, but which didn't work for some strange reason |
| 20:07.57 | dirtycookie | make , then make install? |
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| 20:08.34 | ompaul | jeremyn: -t auto generally is good |
| 20:08.48 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: because vfat is a a virtual FS on top of usbfs |
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| 20:09.58 | jeremyn | kabars_edge: any thoughts on why the GUI couldn't automount it? |
| 20:10.33 | kabars_edge | jeremyn: I have no idea, I rarely use GUI for anything important. |
| 20:10.37 | ompaul | jeremyn: read syslog |
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| 20:11.26 | foetus | system, settings, hal, kernel..and so on :) and..udev |
| 20:12.03 | kabars_edge | foetus: you want to dial us in on what you mean? |
| 20:12.05 | jeremyn | ompaul: there's a "No anchor found" message, later on the "Unable to identify CD-ROM format" message |
| 20:12.18 | bronaugh | so; got a question. we're running a machine here that will periodically block on i/o for up to 15 minutes for a single process. everything else appears to proceed normally during this time. |
| 20:12.28 | bronaugh | and there's virtually no i/o load when this happens. |
| 20:12.41 | bronaugh | anyone else seen anything even vaguely similar? this happens for us on two different machines. |
| 20:12.49 | bronaugh | with different disk controllers and different disks. |
| 20:12.55 | kabars_edge | bronaugh: is it the same process? |
| 20:13.03 | bronaugh | kabars_edge: nope. |
| 20:13.07 | ompaul | jeremyn: umount it - plug it in, be running tail -f syslog and work it out |
| 20:13.12 | bronaugh | apt-get is popular, but other stuff will hang too. |
| 20:13.23 | bronaugh | (well; ok. the process that's in state "D" is actually dpkg) |
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| 20:13.34 | jeremyn | ompaul: according to some brief googling, i think the problem is that the system thinks my usb drive is a CD-ROM |
| 20:13.43 | bronaugh | and of course, running sync blocks too. |
| 20:13.44 | jeremyn | ompaul: tail -f is what i did to get those errors |
| 20:13.48 | bronaugh | bronaugh 21137 0.0 0.0 5400 296 pts/23 D+ 13:06 0:00 sync |
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| 20:14.02 | ompaul | jeremyn: test with actions of that kind of thing ... so you can see it live |
| 20:14.46 | ompaul | bronaugh: hows your ram, hows your firmware, how standard is your debian |
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| 20:15.16 | ompaul | bronaugh: the firmware is for the devices and machine ;-) |
| 20:15.28 | jeremyn | ompaul: answer was here: http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1447207 .. comment something out of fstab |
| 20:16.12 | ompaul | jeremyn: eh, no, yes, maybe. inconclusive have fun |
| 20:16.31 | bronaugh | ompaul: this has been happening for >1 year on different debian installs and different kernels; ram was tested thoroughly prior to machines being installed; firmware for SAS controllers was updated prior to machines being installed and diff cards (and drivers) in each machine. oh yeah, and the boards are different too. |
| 20:17.08 | ompaul | bronaugh: funny, not heard of it, which FS? |
| 20:17.10 | jeremyn | ompaul: well i mean, it works now, so, i mean...:) |
| 20:17.28 | ompaul | jeremyn: you test and become a better person for it ;-) |
| 20:18.09 | bronaugh | ompaul: topology is: SSD connected to onboard Intel controller for main FS running ext4; xfs on top of mdraid set sitting on top of a bunch of SATA disks connected to LSI 1068e based controllers on one box, and LSISAS2008 controllers on the other. |
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| 20:18.30 | jeremyn | ompaul: i think at this point it's pretty clear something went seriously wrong with the install. i'm just toying with it to see how far i can make it go, but i think i'm going to wipe it eventually |
| 20:18.30 | bronaugh | ompaul: and it happens on both the ext4 and the xfs filesystem. |
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| 20:18.58 | ompaul | bronaugh: is it the same firmware version on the intel boxes (now that I have heard of but not with the outputs you are talking about) |
| 20:19.16 | D4rKr0W | hello, does anyone know anything about software raid 1? I have a remote machine with one of two disks failing, but i am not really sure the drive is /dev/sdb since everytime the disk freezes and reconnects the array gets realigned, /proc/mdstat shows no errors. Any suggestions? |
| 20:19.20 | bronaugh | ompaul: I doubt it; the boards are considerably different. |
| 20:19.22 | foetus | to kabars_edge, i reckoned configuration, not an allusion. sorry. |
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| 20:19.31 | bronaugh | ompaul: Supermicro X8DT3 on one, X8DT6 on the other. |
| 20:19.44 | ompaul | ah sorry just read it again |
| 20:20.12 | ompaul | are all disks on the same firmware? |
| 20:20.20 | bronaugh | BIOS dates differ by almost 1.5 years. |
| 20:20.22 | ompaul | are all the the disks the smae makes? |
| 20:20.30 | kabars_edge | bronaugh: those might be different boards, but I bet they are the same basic chipset |
| 20:20.46 | kabars_edge | same controllers, etc |
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| 20:21.01 | bronaugh | ompaul: ST31500341AS CC1H and SD1A on one machine, ST33000651AS CC41 on other. |
| 20:21.14 | bronaugh | hmm |
| 20:21.24 | bronaugh | no wait, they're probably all CC1H on the ST31500341AS disks. |
| 20:22.08 | bronaugh | kabars_edge: yes, they're pretty close that way. however, I assume a good number of people are running Xeon 5500/5600 based boxes. |
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| 20:23.20 | ompaul | bronaugh: the only thing I have heard of is a bunch of intel disks that needed to have the same firmware or they got ill when told to raid |
| 20:23.32 | ompaul | bronaugh: that would be from a big disk consumer |
| 20:24.21 | ompaul | bronaugh: but the behaviour was different, they used to go out of sync with each other and then kill the raid |
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| 20:25.14 | bronaugh | ompaul: yeah; we haven't had anything like that happen. |
| 20:25.20 | ompaul | bronaugh: blocking i/o did something literally jam i.e. overheat but recover well |
| 20:25.21 | bronaugh | this is simply tasks hanging on i/o |
| 20:26.09 | ompaul | bronaugh: and that thought occurs because those disks do about 3megs per second in some kind of raw capacity test with no other overhead |
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| 20:27.25 | bronaugh | yay. now I've got 7 tasks in state D+ |
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| 20:29.22 | ompaul | bronaugh: disk driver having hissy fits? |
| 20:29.29 | bronaugh | two diff drivers |
| 20:29.32 | bronaugh | one's mptsas, other is mpt2sas |
| 20:29.45 | bronaugh | and actually, the SSD is on Intel. |
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| 20:29.50 | bronaugh | so three diff drivers. |
| 20:30.07 | ompaul | the 15 minutes part is nuts |
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| 20:30.23 | bronaugh | to me it smells like something's going amok with the i/o scheduler on linux; that being said, I've tried deadline, cfq and noop. cfq is the worst, but deadline doesn't fix all problems either; and neither does noop. |
| 20:30.53 | ompaul | ok here is my stupid question |
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| 20:31.08 | bronaugh | ompaul: shoot. |
| 20:31.14 | ompaul | are they production? |
| 20:31.28 | bronaugh | kind of. |
| 20:31.40 | jhutchins_lt | raid: one more thing to go wrong. |
| 20:31.48 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: there is that |
| 20:31.48 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: got a better idea? |
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| 20:32.23 | jhutchins_lt | bronaugh: Good hardware, good bacups, if necessary redundant servers. |
| 20:32.25 | ompaul | bronaugh: it is pretty much the common factor - can you decommission one of them and attach a single disk with some "test" detat |
| 20:32.34 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: uh; sure. we have that. |
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| 20:32.51 | ompaul | s/detat/data |
| 20:32.53 | bronaugh | ompaul: there's also the joy of "it only happens once in a blue moon with no apparent pattern" |
| 20:33.10 | ompaul | if it happens there is a pattern ;-) |
| 20:33.11 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: chances are our backups are better than anything you have. seriously :/ |
| 20:33.16 | benedikt | I added a repository to apt and then upgraded a big metapackage through it. Now i have removed this repo from apt, how can i force apt to re-install the "old" version of the packages? |
| 20:33.21 | Paerox | Hello! Is this the right place to ask for help with troubleshooting linux-related problems? |
| 20:33.26 | bronaugh | but that only insures against everything going to complete hell. |
| 20:33.29 | benedikt | there are newer versions lingering around causing dependency problems |
| 20:33.33 | bronaugh | and/or random file deletions. |
| 20:33.37 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.00 | D4rKr0W | any idea on how to check which one of two hdds contains grub on the mbr? they're both in a raid1 softraid |
| 20:34.26 | Paerox | ompaul: my Debian-based router is unable to resolve hostnames in my local network. where to look? |
| 20:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | bronaugh: Is the problem with assembling a raid on a different controller, or with the raid's degrading periodically? |
| 20:34.33 | ompaul | benedikt: add back the repo purge the package you added remove the repo add the old one - hold onto your hat you might have read fun |
| 20:34.49 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: you haven't been paying attention. nothing bad happens with the RAID -- at all. no disk drops, nothing. |
| 20:34.59 | benedikt | ompaul: thanks |
| 20:35.04 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: what happens is that tasks occasionally, without any rhyme or reason, block on i/o for a very long time. |
| 20:35.24 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: ie: 15 minutes to several hours. running 'sync' naturally hangs as well when this happens. |
| 20:35.24 | jhutchins_lt | No, I just glanced over. |
| 20:35.32 | ompaul | Paerox: other machines should be able to resolve on the same network if they can't then you need to look at whatever provides DNS if they can then you need to introduce that information to the router |
| 20:35.44 | jhutchins_lt | bronaugh: Ooh, fun. |
| 20:35.50 | bronaugh | RAID is involved in that it's in the mix, but: it also happens on the SSDs we have in the machines, which aren't RAIDed. |
| 20:36.04 | bronaugh | so I don't think RAID is very important. |
| 20:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | bronaugh: Assuming all connections are good, it sounds like a controller failure. Possibly a bad connection or failing component on the board. |
| 20:36.23 | ompaul | bad cables? |
| 20:36.29 | ompaul | bad batch or something |
| 20:36.34 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: two different machines, three different -types- of controllers connecting the disks in question. |
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| 20:36.37 | bronaugh | so I don't think so. |
| 20:36.47 | bronaugh | oh yeah and the machines are about 1 year different in age. |
| 20:36.48 | ompaul | bronaugh: try reseating cables |
| 20:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | What do the machines have in common? |
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| 20:37.10 | jhutchins_lt | reseating is always a good idea. |
| 20:37.13 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: Intel 5520 based boards, lots of storage attached. |
| 20:37.33 | ompaul | bronaugh: how do they fill that storage? (what db etc) |
| 20:37.44 | ompaul | or nosql feature are you using |
| 20:37.49 | Paerox | ompaul: other machines on my LAN is able to resolve hostnames to IP's, but when I try to do the same from Debian-router, it fails to do so. nslookup fails too, saying the server it uses is my ISP's. could that be the problem? |
| 20:37.55 | bronaugh | LSI controllers (LSI 1068E * 2 in one of them (which uses mptsas driver), LSISAS2008 * 9 in the other (which uses mpt2sas)) |
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| 20:38.11 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen an amazing number of bad SCSI controllers, often bad out of the box. We're talking name-brand stuff. |
| 20:38.11 | bronaugh | and by large storage I mean 20T on one 30T on other. |
| 20:38.23 | ompaul | Paerox: does it have the same resolv.conf as other boxes on the network |
| 20:38.48 | bronaugh | er I guess it's LSISAS2008 * 5; sorry. |
| 20:38.52 | bronaugh | mathfail |
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| 20:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | I've also seen them fail so quickly that we never actually established that they worked, although we managed to get a build done and deliver the box apparently working. |
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| 20:39.28 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: yup. but it's unlikely to be that |
| 20:39.35 | mads- | Hi. I have just changed my /etc/network/interfaces file, how do I know put the changes into effect? |
| 20:39.36 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: because it also occurs with the onboard Intel controller. |
| 20:39.44 | jhutchins_lt | We had a lot of trouble using SCSI tapes, not knowing whether it was the tape drive or the controller, both were notoriously unreliable. |
| 20:39.52 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: it smells like a kernel bug. |
| 20:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | Could be. |
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| 20:40.36 | ompaul | bronaugh: these boxes do mostly data reading and writing not generation (i.e. load shouldn't be an issue?) |
| 20:40.38 | bronaugh | could have to do with XFS on large volumes, XFS + ext4 being used heavily in same kernel, i/o scheduler bad interactions with mdraid layer... probably other things too. |
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| 20:40.50 | bronaugh | oh yeah, could be interactions with NFS too. |
| 20:41.05 | bronaugh | ompaul: occasionally they're fairly heavily loaded. |
| 20:41.09 | bronaugh | ie: yes, the CPUs are busy |
| 20:41.11 | ompaul | bah |
| 20:41.33 | Paerox | my windows-boxes can resolve hostnames to ip's, but a virtual machine running debian cannot. i compared resolv.conf on the virtual Debian machine with my router. they are different |
| 20:41.45 | bronaugh | oh yeah, and jackass scientific types using the box tend to run it out of RAM about once a month. |
| 20:41.54 | bronaugh | so could be OOM related mayhem. |
| 20:42.11 | zleslie | Where is teh drbd8-module-source package in debian? |
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| 20:42.40 | zleslie | Its been a while, I thought it was in contrib or non-free, but I've added both, and m-a can''t find it. |
| 20:43.03 | ompaul | Paerox: read that again, see how it adds to the useful information ;-) {really it doesn't} get the address windows uses to resolve and add that into the debian box - there is nothing else for you to do unless you don't have routing set up |
| 20:43.14 | bronaugh | zleslie: it's included in 2.6.33+ |
| 20:43.31 | zleslie | Oh really!? |
| 20:43.33 | zleslie | neat |
| 20:44.00 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt, ompaul: anyhow, I'm pretty much out of ideas as to how this is happening. |
| 20:44.54 | bronaugh | or at least, at a total loss as how to how to fix the problem. |
| 20:45.04 | ompaul | bronaugh: if you didn't have high loads I was going to say use a vm or two to play in a corner and try to watch the traffic but hey |
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| 20:45.24 | bronaugh | ompaul: ok, what would the point of that be? |
| 20:45.26 | benedikt | is there an easy way to purge all packages from one specific apt source |
| 20:45.32 | bronaugh | (not knocking your idea, just don't know) |
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| 20:46.09 | benedikt | or rather, packages that have a version only found on this specific apt source |
| 20:46.38 | ompaul | bronaugh: actually it was to have a machine to fail over to |
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| 20:47.13 | ompaul | bronaugh: but its a bit weak as ideas go |
| 20:47.27 | ompaul | hates running out of ideas |
| 20:47.28 | bronaugh | ompaul: yeah; that's not too relevant here. we have about 10 people playing "pile on the server" here. it's basically being used as a big machine for people to run crap on. |
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| 20:47.52 | ompaul | are they all running their own code? |
| 20:48.01 | bronaugh | quite frequently yes |
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| 20:48.55 | ompaul | bronaugh: tried valgrind? |
| 20:49.05 | cyrusmc | http://pastebin.com/jJ8Vm4UL - I am running a debian 4 system and have a question about the bonded interfaces. Bond0 is eth0 and eth2 while bond 1 is eth1 and eth3. Why does both eth0 and eth2 share the same mac address as well as eth1 and eth3. In my experiences on RedHat it is the bond0 interface that's mac address gets re-written |
| 20:49.08 | bronaugh | well; that won't really tell me anything I don't know. |
| 20:49.18 | bronaugh | I know that the task is hung on I/O |
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| 20:49.40 | ompaul | bronaugh: can I give up now ;-) |
| 20:50.24 | bronaugh | ompaul: nop :P |
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| 20:50.34 | ompaul | drat |
| 20:50.40 | bronaugh | it's a real pain in the ass problem :/ |
| 20:50.52 | Paerox | ompaul: I do belive i have some routing set up, on my two-interface industrial debian-box. I'm running iptables and isc-dhcps-server on it, administred by shorewall. A virtual Windows-machine got it's ip from my debian-router. It can resolve the ip's to other windows machines, but not the debian-router. the debian router cannot resolve anything but domains on the internet. Should i set up a DNS-server, or could it be i have misconfigured my d |
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| 20:51.09 | ompaul | bronaugh: that could a definition of one tbh |
| 20:51.36 | benedikt | idea: is there a way to purge all packages that have a string s in the name and version < n |
| 20:51.37 | bronaugh | anyhow, poking at lsof and other fun to see if I can't figure out at least what files it's hanging on. |
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| 20:51.48 | bronaugh | I could be wrong and they could all be hanging on pty's or something random like that. |
| 20:51.56 | bronaugh | which'd be the common element. |
| 20:51.57 | ompaul | Paerox: you should run dns |
| 20:53.20 | Paerox | ompaul: so that's it, i'm missing a local DNS server? |
| 20:53.22 | ompaul | bronaugh: just for pig iron run jnettop ... if it is nfs related you might have some fun with that |
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| 20:53.41 | bronaugh | jnettop? |
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| 20:54.04 | ompaul | bronaugh: it is a cli tool with nothing to do with java (thankfully()) |
| 20:54.25 | ompaul | bronaugh: it tells you what networking addresses are doing |
| 20:54.39 | ompaul | (rather interesting when run on busy boxes) |
| 20:55.25 | bronaugh | cool. |
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| 20:55.40 | ompaul | I had a tcp window problem a couple of years ago - box use to shut down almost 100% if you asked for the right combination of targets |
| 20:56.08 | ompaul | then the q would free up slowly over about three minutes |
| 20:56.28 | ompaul | it told me what was happening |
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| 20:57.01 | bronaugh | yeah. what's bugging me now is that lsof simply fails to return stuff now. |
| 20:57.12 | kristian-aalborg | hurm, using an external (usb) hdd for music on a 1998 lappie = good idea? |
| 20:57.14 | bronaugh | doesn't hang (enter state D+) but does fail to do stuff. |
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| 20:57.36 | pipeline | how can I determine which scsi_host in a given disk device (/dev/sda,b,c etc) sits on ? |
| 20:58.13 | keith4 | how do I get a 32-bit version of libfuse on 64 bit debian? |
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| 20:58.17 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: you like to live in challenging times? |
| 20:58.44 | kabars_edge | keith4: Not to digress, but why do you need to install a 32bit lib on 64bit Debian? |
| 20:58.44 | bronaugh | kristian-aalborg: just slow as molasses. |
| 20:58.52 | bronaugh | other than that it should work. |
| 20:59.10 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, bronaugh : may you live in interesting times ;) |
| 20:59.20 | bronaugh | could stick a USB2 Cardbus card in it. |
| 20:59.26 | bronaugh | that'll make it suck considerably less. |
| 20:59.27 | keith4 | kabars_edge: to use VMware's VDR restore client, which is some hackish crap implemented on top of fuse. and its all 32-bit |
| 20:59.35 | kristian-aalborg | ah, I have one of those lying around, matter of fact |
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| 20:59.56 | ylluminate | i need to find out which pkg's are installing a few files. how can i search for those via dpkg? |
| 20:59.56 | kristian-aalborg | but I'll just have to see how it works |
| 21:00.07 | keith4 | i was hoping ia32-libs, or something like it, would have /usr/lib32/libfuse<blah>, but it doesn't seem to |
| 21:00.19 | kristian-aalborg | will I have to edit fstab to get it to work with mpd, ya think? |
| 21:00.43 | kabars_edge | keith4: What specific library? |
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| 21:01.20 | keith4 | kabars_edge: e.g., http://pastebin.com/kfubhtsF |
| 21:02.36 | kabars_edge | keith4: The 32bit libc6 you can get from libc6-dev-i386 libc6-i386 |
| 21:03.10 | ompaul | bronaugh: rephrase the question, why would lsof not actually do stuff when things are in D+ state |
| 21:03.29 | keith4 | kabars_edge: yes yes. but it's useless if i can't (easily) get 32-bit libfuse ;-) |
| 21:03.41 | bronaugh | ompaul: could just be being slow as hell. |
| 21:03.47 | bronaugh | I'm trying to figure on what files it's hung on. |
| 21:03.53 | ompaul | bronaugh: lsof reads /proc does it not |
| 21:04.02 | bronaugh | should. |
| 21:04.06 | bronaugh | dunno exactly how it works tbh. |
| 21:04.11 | ompaul | so it should just queue behind the frozen queue |
| 21:04.27 | kabars_edge | keith4: have you seen this? http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1035231 |
| 21:04.43 | Paerox | ompaul: thanks for your effort to help me. i'm gonna try again some other time. I feel it's just a small detail missing, and not an "entire" DNS-server |
| 21:05.06 | bronaugh | ugh; this looks like NFS client-side goo failing |
| 21:05.56 | keith4 | kabars_edge: ah, so... as I suspected, the solution is "go download the 32-bit lib packages and install them manually". ;-) |
| 21:06.06 | keith4 | kabars_edge: thanks! your google-fu is stronger than mine, today |
| 21:06.19 | kabars_edge | keith4: no prob, glad I could be of some help |
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| 21:06.36 | eptalon | hello there |
| 21:06.57 | bronaugh | ompaul: so ok, coworker here seems to be narrowing this down further. it appears to be NFS related. |
| 21:07.22 | ompaul | bronaugh: there is a great phrase for NFS no fine solution |
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| 21:07.42 | bronaugh | or No Fucking Shit |
| 21:07.58 | eptalon | nfs is a great idea. |
| 21:08.13 | bronaugh | I've used plenty of NFS but yeah. this is going seriously to hell. |
| 21:08.21 | bronaugh | gonna switch to tcp w/NFS |
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| 21:08.31 | bronaugh | hopefully that will make things better not worse. |
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| 21:09.08 | eptalon | bronaugh: you mean the big database company managed to spoil the great network file system? |
| 21:10.04 | pipeline | bronaugh: actually tcp for nfs is almost always the Wrong Thing |
| 21:10.19 | bronaugh | pipeline: have you been following the conversation? |
| 21:10.28 | pipeline | bronaugh: NFS is super chatty and super sensitive to latency, which is why it's a UDP proto by default |
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| 21:11.04 | yoshio | ylluminate, "dpkg -S path", or ask judd - /msg judd file path (like /msg judd file /etc/hosts) |
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| 21:11.07 | bronaugh | yeah. I would rather lose 20% of the performance and not have processes end up in state D+ |
| 21:11.32 | ylluminate | thanks yoshio, this is for a fink installation on mac os x so that first method will work |
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| 21:12.32 | bronaugh | eptalon: frankly I'm using nfs because I don't know of any alternatives that actually work better. I should probably switch to v4 thuogh. |
| 21:12.35 | bronaugh | though. |
| 21:12.39 | ylluminate | worked a treat yoshio |
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| 21:12.59 | eptalon | bronaugh: what's your use case? |
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| 21:13.24 | bronaugh | eptalon: bunch of machines, files on each one that need to be shared between all. |
| 21:13.31 | bronaugh | gigE interconnect atm. |
| 21:13.43 | bronaugh | oh yeah and it has to not lose our shit. |
| 21:13.48 | eptalon | so no centralized server? |
| 21:14.06 | bronaugh | nope. no centralized server. 3 machines currently, each one has the other's shit cross-mounted. |
| 21:14.16 | ompaul | cross mounted ... |
| 21:14.31 | bronaugh | ie: machine 1 has machine 2 and machine 3's data mounted on it. |
| 21:14.33 | ompaul | cries in pain |
| 21:14.34 | bronaugh | machine 2 has 1 and 3 |
| 21:14.35 | bronaugh | etc. |
| 21:14.38 | eptalon | the problem with that is that is that it doesn't. scal |
| 21:14.39 | eptalon | e |
| 21:14.44 | bronaugh | well; yeah. obviously not. |
| 21:14.47 | eptalon | scail? |
| 21:14.51 | ompaul | scale |
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| 21:14.54 | bronaugh | fortunately we've never gotten past 3 machines. |
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| 21:15.17 | bronaugh | so again, alternatives? |
| 21:15.18 | ompaul | bronaugh: NAS and stick the boxes in front a single stack |
| 21:15.38 | eptalon | bronaugh: last I compared the nfs implementation, the linux impl sucked (compared to solaris), that was three years ago, though |
| 21:15.41 | bronaugh | ompaul: how does NAS help at all here? |
| 21:15.50 | bronaugh | eptalon: I don't doubt that it does. |
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| 21:16.25 | eptalon | bronaugh: use nfsv4, if you can |
| 21:16.42 | bronaugh | eptalon: yeah; that's definitely on the list |
| 21:16.53 | bronaugh | eptalon: other than that, I've looked at a few cluster FSes |
| 21:17.06 | bronaugh | glusterfs looks the least hopeless but it has plenty of fail. |
| 21:17.08 | eptalon | ompaul: there are benefits to decentralized storage, "disaster recovery", backup.. |
| 21:17.14 | ompaul | I got my letters wrong san |
| 21:17.19 | ompaul | but anyway |
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| 21:17.28 | bronaugh | SAN over infiniband might kinda work. |
| 21:17.56 | bronaugh | but it's also a very different topology. |
| 21:17.58 | ompaul | eptalon: I have decentralised in work, with one NFS serve only server |
| 21:18.04 | bronaugh | so would involve moving about 40T of shit around. |
| 21:18.30 | ompaul | bronaugh: yeah, but it avoids NFS |
| 21:18.48 | bronaugh | yup. |
| 21:19.01 | eptalon | bronaugh: it probably also has unified user mgmt. |
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| 21:19.03 | ompaul | bronaugh: and for backups you could shoot blocks to something else somewhere else |
| 21:19.07 | thewanderer1 | one of 2 disks in my RAID1 has died... now, if I bring in another one, how do I recreate the mdraid partitions? just fdisk and make sure the block numbers match? |
| 21:19.41 | bronaugh | eptalon: already implemented that. |
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| 21:19.50 | bronaugh | the ldap fuck shit stack. |
| 21:20.06 | bronaugh | ompaul: already have backups; double tape with something like 19 versions on tape. |
| 21:20.09 | bronaugh | it's ridiculous overkill. |
| 21:20.22 | eptalon | thewanderer1: I'd say simply add it (with mdadm, mdadm should first have a hot spare, and then rebuild, once it detects the disk as failed. |
| 21:20.24 | bronaugh | and it costs us very little because we're at a university and they invested in shit that's pretty cheap per T |
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| 21:20.48 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: yes, but I need block devices first, whereas my RAID members are MBR partitions |
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| 21:21.39 | eptalon | mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdx2 ? |
| 21:22.00 | eptalon | thewanderer1: you talking hw raid? |
| 21:22.21 | thewanderer1 | nope... (I wish) - it's mdraid |
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| 21:22.29 | eptalon | I think sfdisk can give you the exact partition size |
| 21:22.42 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok... so I make the same MBR layout and I'm fine |
| 21:22.43 | bronaugh | fdisk'll actually do it. |
| 21:22.45 | bronaugh | just change the units. |
| 21:22.53 | bronaugh | and take it out of DOS compat mode. |
| 21:23.06 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 21:24.07 | eptalon | thewanderer1: sfdisk -s |
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| 21:25.46 | thewanderer1 | apparently it doesn't list all sda* entries |
| 21:26.07 | thewanderer1 | maybe it trusts that I can correlate them to md* in my brain :P |
| 21:26.24 | eptalon | thewanderer1: sfdisk -l (for partitions), -u for counting units (in short read manpage) |
| 21:27.05 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I'll have to dig into that, lest data loss awaits |
| 21:28.32 | demoss | what is the greatest , stable and fast ( safe ) file system to debian on server ( xeon 55** \ 12 gb DDR3 ecc \ 4x147gb SAS HITACHI 15 000 RPM RAID 10 hot swap ) |
| 21:28.35 | demoss | & |
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| 21:30.00 | pipeline | demoss: ext3 is totally adequate |
| 21:30.09 | eptalon | demoss: I have made good experiences with xfs, probably zfs is worth a look too; avoid reiserfs |
| 21:30.17 | pipeline | demoss: ext4 and xfs primarily offer higher filesize / volume size limits, but with 4x147G disks, that is not an issue. |
| 21:30.29 | kabars_edge | if it's ever open-sourced, ZFS is the way to go |
| 21:30.30 | pipeline | eptalon: zfs is not supported in linux |
| 21:30.38 | pipeline | kabars_edge: zfs is open source. |
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| 21:30.42 | kabars_edge | ZFS is supported in Linux |
| 21:30.43 | pipeline | kabars_edge: and it is not the way to go |
| 21:30.44 | eptalon | pipeline: zfs-fuse is in debian |
| 21:30.46 | cusco_ | demoss: hi.. A while back I have been wondering the same with similar specs. For a MySQL server, I opted for EXT4 and separate disk as XFS mounted under /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 21:31.06 | pipeline | eptalon: userspace filesystems offer miserable performance |
| 21:31.17 | pipeline | kabars_edge, eptalon : incidentally zfs is mostly sizzle, no steak. Lots of downsides relative to LVM. Notably: performance degradation, dump/restore as only way to safely remove devices |
| 21:31.22 | eptalon | pipeline: there's a debian with kBsd underneath. |
| 21:31.27 | cusco_ | !start a fs war |
| 21:31.27 | dpkg | Sigh, just use ext3 already. |
| 21:31.31 | cusco_ | :p |
| 21:32.04 | cusco_ | accordding to dpkg zfs is not suported, but FUSE does support it |
| 21:32.22 | eptalon | honestly: If you can rule out a power failure xfs is a decent filesystem. |
| 21:32.29 | kabars_edge | pipeline: ZFS is open source, but not GPL, it's CDDL, and it is the way to go, of course, I came up in Solaris so I'm biased |
| 21:32.48 | pipeline | kabars_edge: solaris is dead get used to it. sunhelp.org runs debian now :) |
| 21:33.02 | demoss | it server i use for mysql core project + web server |
| 21:33.05 | kabars_edge | I've been running Debian on my desktop since 99 |
| 21:33.11 | demoss | for 10-20 sites |
| 21:33.18 | daemonkeeper | Debian supports ZFS natively in Debian kfreebsd. |
| 21:33.36 | daemonkeeper | The fuse driver is ok to get access to it, but no more. |
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| 21:34.01 | demoss | raid10 = adaptec 5805 controller ( battery+512 mb ram ) |
| 21:34.04 | kabars_edge | however, if I were to build out an enterprise level data center, it would be all Sun HW w/ Solaris 10, ZFS, zones |
| 21:34.08 | daemonkeeper | And: There is Open Indiana being a more and more noteworthy successor of (Open) Solaris. |
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| 21:36.26 | demoss | ext4 is very slow for that ? |
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| 21:37.58 | daemonkeeper | ext4 is a file system, ZFS is much more than a (traditional) file system, as it integrates features of volume management and other things as well |
| 21:38.24 | dynamite | Hey! Im looking for a way to make iftop show the connections thats are consumin the most traffic. iftop only shows the connection thats currently doing so, but doesnt sum up the entire data captures by that Host -> Host connection. |
| 21:38.46 | pipeline | dynamite: try iptraf or ntop then |
| 21:38.46 | demoss | daemonkeeper: what volume managment ? |
| 21:38.48 | daemonkeeper | You probably want to take a look into iptraf |
| 21:38.56 | pipeline | demoss: ntop is quite a lot more involved than iptraf/iftop, but it's also a lot more useful |
| 21:39.37 | daemonkeeper | demoss: Similar to LVM, a bit more seamless though. |
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| 21:40.00 | dynamite | pipeline: do they sum up all the traffic? |
| 21:40.21 | demoss | i need next functions - need backup data every weak (sunday) to external data storage ( increment) |
| 21:40.22 | bronaugh | and... machine unlocked self. |
| 21:40.24 | bronaugh | which is good. |
| 21:40.37 | demoss | and do not stop the server |
| 21:40.37 | bronaugh | ompaul: machine just unwedged self. |
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| 21:41.34 | daemonkeeper | On Linux you need MD RAID, LVM and a file system to achieve what ZFS aggregates on Solaris. Moreover ZFS supports cool things like deduplication, zfs_send/zfs_restore, read caches, write caches and more |
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| 21:43.02 | demoss | daemonkeeper: shit |
| 21:43.19 | demoss | i say - i have RAID CONTROLLER - it the TRUE server !!!! |
| 21:43.43 | demoss | it is not have lvm or md raid ( not programm raid - ) |
| 21:43.59 | daemonkeeper | Well, is your RAID controller worth the name? |
| 21:44.22 | demoss | adaptec 5805 |
| 21:44.37 | cusco_ | demoss: as I tould you with xfs and ext4, I backup mysql DB (10+Gigas) every night |
| 21:44.42 | nsadmin | scsi raid? |
| 21:44.50 | demoss | SAS |
| 21:45.11 | demoss | hitachi 15 000 rpm 147 gb x4 |
| 21:45.11 | cusco_ | demoss: have a adaptec working fine on another machine, tho is another modell... |
| 21:45.12 | daemonkeeper | That one is fairly ok. |
| 21:45.29 | nsadmin | so your question is? |
| 21:45.38 | demoss | adaptec working fine in a true server platform |
| 21:45.51 | demoss | in my srver's room |
| 21:46.03 | nsadmin | that's not a question |
| 21:46.20 | demoss | or ) |
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| 21:47.50 | demoss | my question - what file system i need use in my server, if i wanna get safe and fast system + can do a weakly backup without stopping server to external data storage |
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| 21:49.13 | nsadmin | you have all that expensive hardware and you're using -mysql-?! |
| 21:49.15 | demoss | cusco_: how you doing backup ? |
| 21:49.31 | demoss | dd? |
| 21:49.33 | cusco_ | no |
| 21:49.35 | cusco_ | mysqldump |
| 21:49.46 | eptalon | demoss: use xfs. |
| 21:49.54 | demoss | and what about system, user files ? |
| 21:50.09 | cusco_ | I thought I said that already |
| 21:50.18 | bronaugh | ompaul: and... it's back to going to hell. |
| 21:50.22 | cusco_ | 22:30 < cusco_> demoss: hi.. A while back I have been wondering the same with similar specs. For a MySQL server, I opted for EXT4 and separate disk as XFS mounted under /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 21:50.35 | demoss | mysql = Maria DB )) |
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| 21:51.35 | cusco_ | demoss: I run a backup script on another machine that will use mysqldump -hsome.ip.add and save the data locally |
| 21:52.09 | cusco_ | also performs a mysqlrepair |
| 21:52.13 | cusco_ | and some other stuff |
| 21:52.26 | cusco_ | basically: mysqldump -R -h$HOST -u$USER -p$PASS --routines --all-databases > $MYSQLDUMP |
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| 21:53.15 | demoss | cAn i have one script to backup mysql + all files i need ( /var/www/ or /home partition ? ) |
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| 21:53.48 | eptalon | demoss: xfsdump. Does not backup files though. |
| 21:53.49 | cusco_ | ? |
| 21:54.03 | cusco_ | demoss: you can have whatever you want :) |
| 21:54.20 | demoss | i have /boot=100 mb /=23gb /home =20gb swap=700mb /var =250 gb |
| 21:54.20 | cusco_ | I use rsync for backups other than mysql |
| 21:54.48 | cusco_ | I have a single / and a separate disk with XFS under /var/lib/mysql/ |
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| 21:54.52 | daemonkeeper | It is a very bad idea to backup a MySQL data base on file system level unless you use an atomic(!!) snapshot |
| 21:55.35 | demoss | why ? |
| 21:55.47 | bronaugh | because files can be out of sync with each other. |
| 21:55.52 | bronaugh | ie: index and data |
| 21:55.56 | daemonkeeper | s/can/will/ |
| 21:55.59 | bronaugh | among other issues I'm probably not thinking of. |
| 21:56.14 | daemonkeeper | The resulting backup is useless and garbage. |
| 21:56.18 | demoss | you mean backup xfs to EXT4 and other ? |
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| 21:58.35 | eptalon | demoss: backup the filesystem to an image file |
| 21:59.05 | zealiod | Id like to account for traffic on port 80 and 21 for 30 users with different mac addresses, do I need to create aload of accounting rules in iptables or is there a solution that already exists? |
| 21:59.06 | bronaugh | heh |
| 21:59.07 | daemonkeeper | Nonetheless you will screw up your data base data. |
| 21:59.08 | eptalon | and restore the image file later, to the same or a different partition |
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| 21:59.41 | demoss | hmm |
| 21:59.55 | eptalon | demoss: thats filesystem backup, no file backup. |
| 21:59.58 | bronaugh | well; one way you could -ensure- the files are all atomically snapshotted would be to block all TCP connections between mysql and clients. |
| 22:00.02 | bronaugh | and then do the copy. |
| 22:00.04 | bronaugh | it's evil :P |
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| 22:00.23 | bronaugh | but yeah. short of that you need support of the database system to do it right. |
| 22:00.28 | demoss | i have static parameters of my configuration server and storage separation |
| 22:00.32 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: No. InnoDB does cyclically flush transactions and random garbage to disk. |
| 22:00.43 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: yeah. ok. so you have to actually -stop- the server. |
| 22:01.02 | daemonkeeper | If you really want to backup databases at file system level you MUST stop the server or use a LVM snapshot. |
| 22:01.11 | eptalon | bronaugh: if the server doesn't support snapshots |
| 22:01.28 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: or a "filesystem-level" dump |
| 22:01.38 | eptalon | which is a snapshot. |
| 22:01.39 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Which is still not atomic. |
| 22:01.41 | dynamite | Where has ntop disappeared to in squeeze? |
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| 22:02.05 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell dynamite about ntop |
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| 22:02.27 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: you save the state of the filesystem, at a given time. |
| 22:02.44 | eptalon | this has nothing to do with running programs |
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| 22:03.02 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Which needs file system support for COW |
| 22:03.12 | daemonkeeper | Most Linux file system have not. |
| 22:03.16 | daemonkeeper | *systems |
| 22:03.36 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: zfs is the only Copy-on-write one I know. |
| 22:04.08 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Hence I said Linux. On Linux LVM can be used for /any/ given file system to enable COW support |
| 22:04.26 | eptalon | And as already discussed before: because of company policy/licensing there's no decent linux impl. of it. |
| 22:04.48 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: I didn't say there would. |
| 22:05.10 | daemonkeeper | But as I pointed out, Debian kfreebsd supports ZFS natively. |
| 22:05.23 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: that's another level. I was talking about the "filesystem" being able to save its current state. |
| 22:05.56 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: we haven't discussed versioning issues in zfs yet. |
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| 22:06.50 | eptalon | Anyway, back to my point: I made good experiences with xfs, which runs well, if you can rule out a power failure. |
| 22:07.09 | jhutchins_lt | Excuse me, but does any of this actually pertain to Debian? |
| 22:07.23 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Right, kfreebsd supports version 14 (I think). |
| 22:07.44 | daemonkeeper | Not as new as Solaris, but every major feature is available. |
| 22:07.48 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: marginally at best. |
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| 22:08.32 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Since Kfreebsd is an official Debian branch it /is/ related to Debian. |
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| 22:11.15 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: they broke xfce. |
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| 22:16.14 | SJr | WHat file controls what happens after X is started |
| 22:16.37 | streuner | huh |
| 22:16.41 | bronaugh | SJr: xinitrc and the like. |
| 22:17.03 | streuner | SJr: why do you ask at all? |
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| 22:17.25 | SJr | ~/.xinitrc? |
| 22:17.26 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 22:17.58 | streuner | dpkg, xinitrc |
| 22:17.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>. |
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| 22:18.11 | streuner | dpkg, .xinitrc |
| 22:18.11 | dpkg | [.xinitrc] actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
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| 22:18.46 | catsup | i need to punch a 100+gig hole (sparse file) in a 250gig file that's sitting in a partition with only 5 gigs free (i can't just rewrite the whole file). anyone know an easy solution? |
| 22:18.54 | SJr | hmmmmm |
| 22:19.19 | SJr | I am trying to get XVnc to start an application afterwards |
| 22:20.02 | catsup | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0106.3/1180.html |
| 22:20.27 | catsup | wish i could just do that :\ |
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| 22:21.18 | SJr | xsession? |
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| 22:22.47 | catsup | dpkg, xsession |
| 22:22.47 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 22:23.24 | draeath | I feel like a fool. I've got apt-listchanges installed, and it appears to be set up, but aptitude, apt-get etc are not showing me changelogs. (squeeze) |
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| 22:24.11 | hylian | is it possible to install wine 1.3 in the latest distro of simply mepis? |
| 22:24.32 | eptalon | hylian: how could we possibly know? |
| 22:24.40 | catsup | draeath: you have sane values in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges ? |
| 22:24.41 | streuner | !mepis |
| 22:24.42 | dpkg | MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian Lenny (as of version 8.0). SimplyMEPIS and antiX are not supported in #debian. http://www.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 22:25.05 | draeath | catsup: whatever the defaults are for the package on squeeze. I can pastebin it for you. Honestly that file is gibberish to me. |
| 22:26.21 | hylian | eptalon, since mepis is a close marriage to straight on debian, i thought the knowledge base would be rather similar. |
| 22:26.26 | draeath | catsup: http://pastebin.com/KdPR2TE0 |
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| 22:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | !based on debian |
| 22:27.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 22:28.06 | draeath | hylian: it's possible to install whatever version of wine you want wherever. You want to do it in the package manager, which is distro dependant. It's differant from debian in precisely the ways that matter. |
| 22:28.11 | eptalon | hylian: some people may know, debian is a popular base for other distros though. |
| 22:29.09 | catsup | dreamer: looks fine |
| 22:29.12 | catsup | oops |
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| 22:29.30 | catsup | draeath: looks fine |
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| 22:29.41 | draeath | hrm. |
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| 22:30.08 | draeath | Back when I played with sid a little (4.x was stable) it worked on install. Wish I knew what to do to make it act the way it did then lol |
| 22:30.21 | draeath | I don't need it. Just wanted to see em before proceeding etc |
| 22:30.59 | hylian | eptalon, that is a good point. i just dumped ubuntu for simply mepis. any suggestions on possibly a better live cd of debian with install capabilities? not a fand of debian straight, a lot of problems there, i have limited bandwidth. |
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| 22:32.07 | catsup | i would have recommended grml |
| 22:32.31 | draeath | What does that have to do with debian itself? Just install what you need. The netinst or business card ISOs can pull only what you want. |
| 22:33.08 | draeath | just take care to deselect the desktop tasks (use expert mode if the questions don't scare you) and install what you need after, you should get a slim system |
| 22:33.09 | eptalon | draeath: too late |
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| 22:36.18 | Oday | i installed netbeans 7, then i updated, and now it isn't listed in the Applications |
| 22:36.19 | Oday | why? |
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| 22:37.53 | dserban | were you guys just talkin' about the "crappy wine situation" in debian? I use the mepis packages... have to, debian's are waaaay too old. |
| 22:38.35 | jelly-home | "have to" is debatable |
| 22:38.43 | draeath | To be frank, I pay for codeweavers. I love their UI/bottles, etc. If you want to go on about not giving back etc, I consider my money going towards the UI enhancements and paid support :) |
| 22:38.49 | jelly-home | there are other 3rd party packages ;-) |
| 22:39.19 | dserban | jelly-home: yeah "have to" just translates in, easiest method. |
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| 22:39.55 | bmstettin | Hello, how can i get ssh to ask me if the hostkey has changend? setting "StrictHostKeyChecking ask" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and ~/.ssh/config are no solution |
| 22:40.17 | draeath | You mean instead of just saying No and dropping the connection? |
| 22:40.35 | dserban | draeath: good point, though codeweavers feels more "closed" somehow, I can't explain it, I'll donate to wine, but dislike supporting commercial products based on an open source project... no? |
| 22:41.01 | jelly-home | bmstettin: you want it to conditionally continue when the host key is different from the saved one? |
| 22:41.04 | draeath | dserban: I would agree, but I think the additions justify the cost for me. |
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| 22:41.37 | dserban | draeath: does the codeweavers package come in a nice .deb? |
| 22:41.38 | draeath | I'm a bit more open minded regarding closed vs open. I LIKE open, but it's not really a dealbreaker. It's the devs choice :) |
| 22:41.52 | bmstettin | if i say StrictHostKeyChecking no then ssh deaktivate the keybordinteraktive athentication |
| 22:41.53 | draeath | dserban: yes! actually. 32-bit, 64-bit. For ubuntu and debian (in the same .deb) |
| 22:42.03 | draeath | or an RPM (32 or 64, together) or a .sh installer |
| 22:42.25 | draeath | It has proper dependencies too, from what I've seen. |
| 22:42.35 | dserban | draeath: I agree, though the open/closed argument isn't one for me either, I do dislike riding the coat tails of other developers to make some cash. |
| 22:42.56 | draeath | I justify it in my head by giving money to the FSF lol |
| 22:42.57 | jelly-home | codeweavers a) employs the main wine devs and b) has their fixes (though not all the functional niceties) brought back to wine |
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| 22:43.03 | dserban | draeath: hmm, that sounds pretty good, and does it follow the development version or just the stable branch of wine? |
| 22:43.07 | jelly-home | I think it's as good as it can get |
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| 22:43.14 | draeath | dserban: it's their own build, afaik. |
| 22:43.18 | bmstettin | jelly-home: yes i want that ssh ask and then go on |
| 22:43.29 | draeath | dserban: but give me a minute and i can tell you what the current release is based on |
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| 22:43.56 | jelly-home | bmstettin: dunno, I just delete the old keys from .ssh/known_hosts |
| 22:43.59 | pupnik | who is pasting debian chat into the fortunes database? |
| 22:44.05 | dserban | jelly-home: indeed, accusations aren't my forte... I am confused about the relationship and who my money really goes to. |
| 22:44.10 | jelly-home | pupnik: who isn't!? |
| 22:44.19 | draeath | dserban: hmm, nevermind on that. can't tell. |
| 22:44.19 | dserban | lol |
| 22:44.27 | Oday | i installed netbeans 7, then i updated, and now it isn't listed in the Applications..why is this?\ |
| 22:44.29 | draeath | dserban: do you have particular applications in mind? |
| 22:44.46 | jelly-home | just needs starcraft2 to work |
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| 22:45.01 | draeath | dserban: http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=4619 |
| 22:45.09 | dserban | draeath: I'm gonna go look at the site, I just ran into the wine mess myself the last few days (ie. it not being up to date in debian) |
| 22:45.17 | draeath | "officially supported" meaning they have a streamlined installer for it even |
| 22:45.18 | bmstettin | jelly-home: i wont edit the know_hosts file every 15 or 20 min |
| 22:45.33 | jelly-home | bmstettin: why do your host keys change every 15 minutes |
| 22:45.41 | draeath | dserban: do note that you can install it alongside wine. The .debs go in /opt/cxoffice or /opt/cxgames respectively |
| 22:45.44 | pupnik | don't do it, please jelly-home |
| 22:45.50 | kabars_edge | jelly-home: I run Debian Squeeze amd64 and Crossover games installed cleanly on my system with no issues, additionally, I game everyday with no hiccups |
| 22:46.14 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 22:46.14 | dpkg | <Abo`> DUH, I accidently set /dev/tty0 my mouse in xorg.conf and now when the machine starts when I try to type the mouse moves :/ |
| 22:46.17 | dserban | draeath: yeah, I have a stack of games I want to work, so I've taken it upon myself to start reporting them all to the app db, seems these old games have regressed a lot in the last few development versions. |
| 22:46.17 | dserban | draeath: ahh that's good |
| 22:46.30 | dserban | jelly-home: lol! |
| 22:46.36 | draeath | dserban: the bottle idea is actually really awesome. Self contained .wine directories basically |
| 22:46.39 | Oday | how do i completely remove an application? |
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| 22:46.43 | draeath | "presets" for different windows revisions |
| 22:47.00 | draeath | and trusty regedit and winecfg are still there |
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| 22:47.10 | Mac_Weber | !ispcp |
| 22:47.11 | dpkg | ispCP Omega is a multi-server control and adminstration panel forked from VHCS. Not packaged for Debian (BTS #383934). http://isp-control.net/ #ispcp on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:48.00 | dserban | draeath: when you say bottle, you mean they are similar in function to a wine prefix right? |
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| 22:48.12 | bmstettin | jelly-home: i have testserver and most times it is faster to reinstall then to repair |
| 22:48.25 | kabars_edge | I'm out, later Debusers |
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| 22:48.48 | draeath | dserban: not sure. Each bottle is basically ~/.wine |
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| 22:48.54 | draeath | so totally self contained |
| 22:49.24 | draeath | dserban: try crossover games. they have a demo. Not 100% on the restrictions. |
| 22:49.26 | jelly-home | bmstettin: if you can script a reinstall, you can also script wiping ~/.ssh/known_hosts I guess? |
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| 22:50.01 | draeath | bmstettin: on the client side, i've seen options tricks that tell it to autosave, and save to /dev/null |
| 22:50.08 | draeath | bmstettin: dangerous though because it completely disables checking |
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| 22:50.21 | nasm | اÙسÙاÙ
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| 22:50.26 | jelly-home | bmstettin: also an option: have a default host key on your initial OS image, that's what we do |
| 22:50.41 | Oday | english-speaking channel, nasm |
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| 22:50.56 | Mac_Weber | !webmin |
| 22:50.57 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 22:50.57 | draeath | I don't know what to be more suprised: that you said that, or that my terminal rendered it! |
| 22:50.57 | Sazpaimon | so dpkg-cross is yelling at me |
| 22:51.00 | Sazpaimon | "Nested quantifiers in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/libstdc++ <-- HERE 2.10-dev/ at /usr/bin/dpkg-cross line 1366. |
| 22:51.00 | Sazpaimon | " |
| 22:51.15 | draeath | Mac_Weber: if those are for you, please whisper the bot instead :) |
| 22:52.18 | dserban | draeath: one more off topic question about crossover... when you buy the version you want, do you need to re-buy it each time a new version comes out? |
| 22:52.22 | Mac_Weber | draeath: sorry. I'm looking for a free web control panel I can use in Ubuntu 10.04 I need to manage DNS and mysql |
| 22:52.23 | nasm | I have a problem in the collapse of the Gnome interface on Debian 6 |
| 22:52.26 | bronaugh | dpkg: free whcp |
| 22:52.26 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 22:52.38 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: sounds like your perl code has... well, nested quantifiers, probably because someone forgot to escape a string value |
| 22:52.43 | draeath | dserban: no, as long as your "subscription" is current you get the new versions. When your subscription goes out, you get whatever was current when it died. |
| 22:52.55 | draeath | note that you don't get shut out! |
| 22:52.59 | Sazpaimon | jelly-home, so you're saying dpkg-cross is broken? |
| 22:53.01 | draeath | I'm 99% sure that's how it works. |
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| 22:53.09 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: that's a regex |
| 22:53.18 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: so it should be libstdc\+\+. |
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| 22:53.35 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps \Qlibstdc++\E) |
| 22:53.50 | Sazpaimon | so how do i fix this in dpkg-cross |
| 22:54.12 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: yes. Find that line. Look at the m// command, if there's a variable in there, it probably ought to be surrounded by \Q and \E |
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| 22:54.51 | Sazpaimon | return ($mstr =~ /$pkg/) ? "skip" : undef; |
| 22:55.00 | Sazpaimon | i assume you mean the /$pkg/ bit |
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| 22:55.18 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: yeah |
| 22:55.20 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: yes, that should be /\Q$pkg\E/ |
| 22:55.24 | jelly-home | right |
| 22:55.36 | Sazpaimon | is there a bug report for this? |
| 22:55.42 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: why don't you check? |
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| 22:56.12 | dondelelcaro | (and are you sure you're using the most recent version?) |
| 22:56.30 | Sazpaimon | I'm running 2.5.8, from wheezy |
| 22:56.39 | dondelelcaro | wheezy has 2.6.3 |
| 22:56.46 | Sazpaimon | sorry, squeeze |
| 22:57.05 | Sazpaimon | i think 2.6.3 got heavy changes, so i don't think the same bug occurs there |
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| 22:57.19 | Sazpaimon | I have no way of testing as i don't have debhelper 8 |
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| 22:58.34 | bmstettin | i think it my fault that i want to use an funtion of ssh, now i think i use /dev/null and hope that i sometimes get a solution ... gn8 |
| 22:59.03 | Sazpaimon | i don't see anything related to this in the bugtracker |
| 22:59.03 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: uh... debhelper 8 is in squeeze... |
| 22:59.07 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: is that an immediate dependency? doing a quick look it seems you might be able to install the newer libdebian-dpkgcross-perl and dpkg-cross |
| 22:59.09 | Bop | does anyone isntalled xfce4 on testing from sid repositories ? |
| 22:59.40 | Sazpaimon | jelly-home, it breaks debhelper < 8.1.3 |
| 22:59.44 | Sazpaimon | or so it says |
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| 23:00.08 | jelly-home | hah |
| 23:00.36 | jelly-home | well get debhelper 8.1.3 too <g> |
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| 23:00.50 | Sazpaimon | yeah I'm not gonna spend all day backporting debhelper |
| 23:01.02 | jelly-home | who said anything about backporting ;-) |
| 23:01.05 | Sazpaimon | either way, I'm not targeting squeeze, I'm targeting maemo, which only has debhelper 7 |
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| 23:01.39 | jelly-home | that may be, but still there's depends and there's build-deps and they're not the same |
| 23:02.04 | Sazpaimon | I don't follow what you mean |
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| 23:02.31 | Sazpaimon | i dont see how debhelper 8.1.3 is going to help me at all |
| 23:02.44 | jelly-home | you don't need debhelper to install packages, just to build them |
| 23:02.52 | Sazpaimon | yeah, and I'm building gcc |
| 23:03.23 | Sazpaimon | I'm attempting to build a version of gcc 4.4 that jives with maemo's libc6 for x86 that can cross compile for armel |
| 23:03.29 | Sazpaimon | the version in the maemo SDK is only 4.2 |
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| 23:04.08 | greeneg|work | hi * |
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| 23:04.18 | greeneg|work | I've a question about apt |
| 23:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | greeneg|work: Ok. |
| 23:04.53 | greeneg|work | I'm trying to get its source lists updated, and get the error that it cannot read the Packages file |
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| 23:05.10 | greeneg|work | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 23:05.10 | greeneg|work | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 23:05.28 | jelly-home | greeneg|work: which debian release are you using? |
| 23:05.40 | Sazpaimon | in the meantime, that fix worked for dpkg-cross (or so it seems) |
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| 23:05.57 | greeneg|work | jelly-home: honestly, I'm unsure, as the box was setup far before I got my hands on it |
| 23:06.11 | TheWarden | good night all |
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| 23:06.19 | Sazpaimon | Setting up libc6-armel-cross (2.5.1-1eglibc25+0m5) so far so good |
| 23:06.31 | greeneg|work | jelly-home: got a quick way I can find out the release? |
| 23:06.33 | jelly-home | greeneg|work: ok. do "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy" and pastebin the complete output of both |
| 23:06.55 | jelly-home | !version |
| 23:06.59 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 23:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Looks like he's pulling packages from unstable. |
| 23:10.49 | greeneg|work | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/114778/ |
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| 23:11.28 | jelly-home | greeneg|work: oh well, rm the offending file and redo |
| 23:11.30 | greeneg|work | jhutchins_lt: unfortunately, yes. and I cannot change that due to the fact that this server was setup FAR before I ever touched it |
| 23:11.48 | greeneg|work | jelly-home: done so, twice |
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| 23:12.36 | jelly-home | greeneg|work: interesting. What if you replace ftp.debian.org with eg. ftp.us.debian.org everywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list and redo? |
| 23:13.38 | greeneg|work | the box has far more disk space free than what the files apt will download, so no issues with them being munged |
| 23:14.14 | greeneg|work | at least, not from my end, and I'd be mildly surprised if upstream is busted :P |
| 23:14.16 | eptalon | greeneg|work: you can run out of inodes... |
| 23:14.35 | greeneg|work | eptalon: far from that limit, I've already checked |
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| 23:15.10 | greeneg|work | this machine is running apt 0.5.26, if that will affect anything in diagnostic |
| 23:15.20 | jelly-home | ,versions apt |
| 23:15.23 | judd | Package apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3; wheezy: 0.8.13.1; sid: 0.8.14.1 |
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| 23:15.40 | jelly-home | greeneg|work: sounds horribly old. version of libc6? |
| 23:15.47 | greeneg|work | holy.... that means this box is freaking ancient |
| 23:15.50 | eptalon | greeneg|work: what's the filesystem on the partition that will hold /var/cache/apt...? |
| 23:15.57 | bronaugh | hm; so, weird question. |
| 23:16.17 | bronaugh | if you're using sudo to call a script, can you get the caller's uid and gid? |
| 23:16.24 | greeneg|work | eptalon: ext3 |
| 23:16.26 | bronaugh | ie: not root's shit. |
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| 23:16.55 | greeneg|work | jelly-home: 2.3.2 |
| 23:17.21 | jelly-home | that's around... what, woody? |
| 23:17.30 | greeneg|work | great..... :| |
| 23:17.35 | draeath | bronaugh: is there a means to get the scripts parent process info? If so, that would probably get you bash, and from there you should be able to get sudo. |
| 23:17.44 | draeath | I think? |
| 23:17.51 | bronaugh | draeath: $PPID is parent's pid. |
| 23:17.54 | greeneg|work | means I need to get this box rebuilt completely :\ |
| 23:17.58 | bronaugh | but /proc/<pid> doesn't seem to contain uid/gid |
| 23:18.00 | greeneg|work | wonderful |
| 23:18.13 | greeneg|work | thanks guys. |
| 23:18.30 | greeneg|work | needs to kill the admin whom left me this mess |
| 23:18.40 | jelly-home | yes, that's likely gonna be the simplest thing to do |
| 23:18.51 | draeath | always best if you have the time |
| 23:18.57 | jelly-home | not always |
| 23:18.57 | draeath | no landmines left behind |
| 23:19.19 | jelly-home | debian has decent upgrade paths |
| 23:19.31 | greeneg|work | this is the primary DNS server for this site, and being a contractor, time == their money |
| 23:19.37 | eptalon | doesn't clear landmines, though. |
| 23:19.41 | bronaugh | debian's upgrade paths do seem less explosive than other distro's |
| 23:20.09 | draeath | I watched someone try to upgrade from woody to etch. It was hilarious. Let's say it didn't work out well. |
| 23:20.24 | Sazpaimon | try woody to squeeze |
| 23:20.25 | jelly-home | greeneg|work: if it's just DNS, yeah, a fresh install and setup will not be too complex |
| 23:20.29 | draeath | It was almost as hilarious as the idea that apt had been broken for... ages and they never noticed? |
| 23:20.50 | draeath | That box probably had more roots than that superforest |
| 23:20.55 | greeneg|work | jelly-home: DNS, NIS, and a few other services |
| 23:21.01 | jelly-home | draeath: I'm working on a machine that was installed with debian 2.1 or 2.2 |
| 23:21.08 | greeneg|work | draeath: likely :| |
| 23:21.37 | eptalon | jelly-home: what was the name of that release? |
| 23:21.44 | bronaugh | draeath: I've done some really nasty upgrades like that :) the first thing you do is upgrade apt. |
| 23:21.47 | jelly-home | slink or potato |
| 23:21.47 | greeneg|work | would it be possible to go from woody to sqeeze, and then squeeze to etch? |
| 23:21.50 | draeath | jelly-home: yea, but I bet it didn't sit there without security updates (or even glances, else someone would have noticed the package manager being broken) for years... |
| 23:21.51 | bronaugh | it tends to go -much- smoother if you do that first. |
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| 23:22.22 | eptalon | I think y first-ever distro was potato. |
| 23:22.40 | draeath | Woody took my linux virginity. |
| 23:22.41 | bronaugh | RH4.2, RH6.0, then potato |
| 23:22.52 | draeath | Then I went over to gentoo for my rebellious years |
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| 23:23.24 | dvs | mine was bo |
| 23:23.28 | eptalon | draeath: I don't see how building your own with your time, for a 2% performance gain solves anything. |
| 23:23.32 | draeath | now it's all centos or debian, or I don't want anything to do with it lol. CentOS just because the job pushed me that way, and i've gone and got my RHCE for the trouble :D |
| 23:23.44 | draeath | eptalon: it taught me a lot of interesting things, so at least there was that |
| 23:24.05 | jelly-home | greeneg|work: clone it, do a tentative upgrade to woody, sarge, etch, lenny, and see what's left standing :-) |
| 23:24.11 | draeath | Mostly because the hardware I chose to do it with meant I had to do a lot of things from scratch. A good balance between "it works" and "nothing works" |
| 23:24.48 | curmudgeon_ | I've never had a problem upgrading. You just have to take it slowly, make sure all bases are covered (sources.list entries, etc) get your terminologies right in aptitude or whatever and Bob's your uncle. |
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| 23:25.35 | jelly-home | curmudgeon_: I don't remember one I did without something breaking horribly, but it's usually a small number of things not covered in release notes |
| 23:26.23 | curmudgeon_ | Downgrading can be a problem, especially if you have a mixed situation of different releases and backport entries. But you shouldn't have to do that unless you've made the wrong move upgrading and screwed it. |
| 23:26.44 | draeath | your downgrade path should be the backup you made before starting... |
| 23:26.51 | draeath | else you REALLY made the wrong move |
| 23:27.15 | levi501d | This is so frickin frustrating, why wont my Overclock stick when i go into debian? |
| 23:27.34 | draeath | your overclock? |
| 23:27.59 | bronaugh | greeneg|work: to be honest, I'd be tempted to build a new install and simply ensure the thing does the job, then drop it in place. |
| 23:28.02 | levi501d | yeah i have my i7 oc'd to 3.8 but when i go into linux it says everywhere i've looked that its at stock clock 2.6 |
| 23:28.05 | bronaugh | it's going to be less messy. |
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| 23:28.11 | Angstrom_ | So |
| 23:28.34 | Angstrom_ | How do I make it so that an xmodmap command goes into effect right after I start X |
| 23:28.35 | curmudgeon_ | Almost blew it this time moving from Lenny - Squeeze - Wheezy - Unstable with the 'Volatile' and 'Proposed' listings, but got it sorted. |
| 23:29.09 | greeneg|work | k |
| 23:29.33 | Angstrom_ | How do I make it so that an xmodmap command goes into effect right after I start X? |
| 23:30.52 | curmudgeon_ | And I've never backed up before upgrading. You don't learn if you don't break something. Take the challenge! |
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| 23:31.07 | jelly-home | *facepalm* |
| 23:31.22 | dvs | ... |
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| 23:33.46 | greeneg|work | well, this basically means I'll be writing up a project plan to upgrade the box.... |
| 23:34.05 | curmudgeon_ | Keep your /home partition on an external drive. Tip from a reinstall king. |
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| 23:37.55 | jelly-home | the backup of my /home (and / and /var) is on an external drive, does that count |
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| 23:38.26 | BullShark | if i have a debian/rules file, for a software package, can i build a package? |
| 23:38.42 | BullShark | or do i have to have more packages than that |
| 23:38.50 | jelly-home | BullShark: it's probably not enough |
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| 23:39.36 | BullShark | jelly-home $_> well i have all the files in this deb that is 32 bit and i need to make a 64 bit deb of it |
| 23:39.40 | curmudgeon_ | If I was going to do that, I'd do /etc too. |
| 23:40.39 | jelly-home | I just backup everything |
| 23:41.08 | jelly-home | BullShark: you have a binary .deb package? |
| 23:41.31 | jelly-home | BullShark: where did you get it, which package is it? |
| 23:41.36 | BullShark | jelly-home $_> yes, contains debian/rules. i also have the srs tar ball |
| 23:42.01 | BullShark | jelly-home $_> sourceforge |
| 23:42.40 | PedroLRNeves | va pessoal ate amanha |
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| 23:46.44 | jelly-home | BullShark: binary packages in general would not contain that file, source packages do. If you have the source package, you can use dpkg-buildpackage to build binaries |
| 23:50.19 | dserban | ok, so I have a package installed, how do I see which package pulled it in automatically? |
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| 23:51.04 | dvs | dserban: It should show you before you installed it. |
| 23:51.18 | dserban | dvs: yeah, but later? |
| 23:52.07 | curmudgeon_ | dserban: Do a search on aptitude. Hit enter on the package name for a list of dependencies. |
| 23:52.18 | dserban | aptitude why packagename is the answer incase anyone wonders the same thing :P |
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| 23:54.46 | abdelkhalak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.00 | abdelkhalak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.08 | abdelkhalak | hi |
| 23:55.38 | draeath | remove the space before / |
| 23:56.12 | abdelkhalak | thanks |
| 23:56.39 | draeath | :) |
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| 23:58.52 | abdelkhalak | draeath: are u an advanced user of Debian? |
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| 23:59.14 | phogg | abdelkhalak: what is this, a poll? |
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| 23:59.25 | phogg | "Seven out of ten advanced users of Debian recommend Crelm Toothpaste!" |
| 23:59.39 | draeath | For that matter, yes. I know how to build debian packages, work the bug reporter, etc. |
