| 00:00.08 | electronplusplus | it's hard to do that joeytwiddle |
| 00:00.21 | electronplusplus | I wrote the code in C++ |
| 00:00.33 | electronplusplus | i have root control |
| 00:00.42 | joeytwiddle | after upgrading to debian/testing i cannot boot. i'm getting: "Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... done" worrying followed by "Usage: mount [-r] [-w] [-o options] ..." and eventually "Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init". can you help my to get my system booting again? |
| 00:00.43 | electronplusplus | but this grid work at night only |
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| 00:01.24 | electronplusplus | during the day, students use the pc's and I don't want them to format the pc's |
| 00:01.37 | themill | electronplusplus: perhaps you were looking for #defocus? And rather than reinventing another grid management system, perhaps you wanted globus or condor or sun grid engine or ... |
| 00:02.13 | electronplusplus | themill: my grid management system is awesome :) |
| 00:02.27 | electronplusplus | it's pretty much a Trojan mixed with Grid |
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| 00:02.47 | themill | electronplusplus: please take it elsewhere... |
| 00:05.12 | joeytwiddle | damnit i never should have upgraded |
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| 00:07.48 | themill | joeytwiddle: upgraded from what to what? |
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| 00:10.54 | gnarface | hey people so like, i was trying aptitude just a minute ago and it seemed to be taking too long counting through all the dependencies |
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| 00:11.42 | gnarface | how long should aptitude take to calculate dependencies and how high should the numbers for the figures its showing "opened, closed, deferred, conflict" or whatever get before it is clear the thing has gone off the rails entirely? |
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| 00:12.26 | joeytwiddle | themill: i was on debian/stable before, didn't upgrade for a few months. so this upgrade to testing did a lot of stuff like dependency-based init and perhaps significantly, added UUIDs in /etc/fstab |
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| 00:13.01 | themill | joeytwiddle: so you're trying to upgrade from lenny to wheezy? That's not really a great plan. |
| 00:13.38 | gnarface | joeytwiddle: that's never worked for me. upgrade to squeeze first then after that upgrade to wheezy |
| 00:13.51 | themill | gnarface: if aptitude gets stuck like that, it's usually a sign that a full-upgrade rather than an upgrade was necessary. |
| 00:14.11 | gnarface | themill: but i'm on sid and that didn't change... |
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| 00:14.38 | gnarface | themill: wait maybe i misunderstood, what's the difference between full-upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 00:14.41 | themill | gnarface: you might have found one of the situations that aptitude doesn't handle well |
| 00:14.48 | themill | dpkg: tell gnarface about full-upgrade |
| 00:14.53 | gnarface | thanks |
| 00:14.57 | wolfric | Are there any docs (or a wiki page?) on what changes debian makes to the kernel that's released |
| 00:15.10 | abrotman | wolfric: there's a changelog ? |
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| 00:15.40 | gnarface | themill: oooh... so maybe its related to why apt-get lists like a dozen or so packages held back for mysterious reasons? |
| 00:15.51 | themill | quite likely |
| 00:16.22 | gnarface | themill: thanks. so i should try full-upgrade - which is only semantically different from dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:18.51 | gnarface | ok new question |
| 00:18.57 | gnarface | is libreoffice in sid ready? |
| 00:19.17 | gnarface | cause full-upgrade wants to remove openoffice and java-gcj-compat and java-gcj-compat-headless on me |
| 00:19.39 | joeytwiddle | gnarface: all my packages are now on wheezy. so i guess i've already broken everything. looks like i'll have to reinstall |
| 00:19.50 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: full-upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade. Actually aptitude knows about full-upgrade only but does accept dist-upgrade for compatibility. |
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| 00:20.13 | daemonkeeper | Reason is, that dist-upgrade does more than upgrading distributions. |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | gnarface: yes, it's in sid |
| 00:20.48 | mactimes | babilen, Hey there. |
| 00:20.56 | babilen | mactimes: hmm? |
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| 00:21.02 | mactimes | babilen, Just coming back to let you know the results from the grub thing. |
| 00:21.13 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: can you tell me if this looks acceptable? it seems somewhat alarming to me http://pastebin.com/6RjvuHuU (mostly the part at the end about what its removing and what its leaving unresolved) |
| 00:21.37 | gnarface | abrotman^^ i'd appreciate your feedback on this too |
| 00:21.42 | mactimes | babilen, I tried many things and mostly all of them ended up with system frozen. |
| 00:22.44 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: Actually I didn't read about your problem, just noted your question related to dist-upgrade/full-upgrade |
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| 00:23.18 | gnarface | joeytwiddle: in all likelyhood, yes. that doesn't mean you might not rescue it with a whole lot of manual package purging and re-installing but in my experience the process is so tedious you'll save yourself hours or even days by just re-installing from scratch |
| 00:23.40 | themill | joeytwiddle: you perhaps should consider running squeeze, btw. |
| 00:24.01 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: noted. i was just mostly alarmed by this: # |
| 00:24.02 | gnarface | Leave the following dependencies unresolved: |
| 00:24.02 | gnarface | # |
| 00:24.02 | gnarface | 8) libreoffice-writer recommends default-jre | gcj-jre | java-gcj-compat | openjdk-6-jre | sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre | java5-runtime | jre |
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| 00:24.11 | gnarface | sorry |
| 00:24.15 | joeytwiddle | ok thanks guys. next time i think of upgrading, i'll come ask in here :) |
| 00:24.28 | abrotman | gnarface: it doesn't seem awful |
| 00:24.40 | gnarface | i'm not using java for anything that i know of |
| 00:24.50 | gnarface | except openoffice, which it wants to remove |
| 00:25.03 | gnarface | shrugs and presses Y |
| 00:25.10 | daemonkeeper | Are you on stable? |
| 00:25.15 | gnarface | no this is sid |
| 00:25.21 | gnarface | has been ... always |
| 00:25.25 | craigevil | gnarface: removes libreoffice and installs libreoffice |
| 00:25.32 | craigevil | whoops removes openoffice |
| 00:25.57 | gnarface | in principle i'm ok with that but it looked like its removing ALL of openoffice and only installing some lib component of libreoffice |
| 00:25.58 | daemonkeeper | Well, maybe there are indeed unmet dependencies in sid related to your packages. Don't know, maybe someone does. |
| 00:26.27 | craigevil | gnarface: libreoffice upgraded just fine here friday |
| 00:26.34 | gnarface | i guess what i'm really wondering here is whether this output i pastebinned is telling me what packages i will have to manually re-install afterwards and i just don't understand it |
| 00:27.17 | craigevil | but im still an infidel that sticks with apt-get |
| 00:27.30 | abrotman | gnarface: right .. let it remove it |
| 00:27.33 | daemonkeeper | Your problem is, thatgcj-jre-headless depends on a version of java-gcj-compat-headless you don't have (and obviously can't neither be upgraded) |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | gnarface: or try to install libreoffice .. see if it uninstalls openoffice |
| 00:27.54 | gnarface | craigevil: well me too for the most part, but in this situation apt-get and aptitude both seemed to be having the same trouble but saying it in different ways |
| 00:28.05 | gnarface | abrotman: too late already typed "Y" |
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| 00:28.16 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:28.46 | gnarface | is this type of thing mainly caused because i waited too many days to upgrade my sid system? |
| 00:28.54 | gnarface | it might have been a week or two |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | or because you're running sid in general ... |
| 00:29.15 | daemonkeeper | haha |
| 00:29.16 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 00:29.17 | gnarface | par for course, got it |
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| 00:29.50 | gnarface | so tangentially |
| 00:29.55 | gnarface | debian and multilib |
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| 00:30.27 | Miesco | What ISO should I get to install on mine netbook? |
| 00:30.29 | gnarface | what is multilib? is it like how OSX makes fat libraries that are multi-arch compatible (though osX doesn't actually use them, just wastes tons of disk space and ram doing so) ? |
| 00:31.02 | gnarface | Miesco: always try stable first (currently squeeze) then upgrade from there if its missing stuff you need |
| 00:31.29 | Miesco | gnarface: really? |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | Miesco: probably the netinst |
| 00:31.35 | Miesco | okay |
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| 00:32.19 | Miesco | abrotman: Can't find the netinst, just the net boot |
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| 00:32.40 | gnarface | second question - is multilib in debian coming? cause on my amd64 system i hear a lot of people complain about the lack of multilib as a fundamental problem to do with 32-bit wine support on 64-bit debian installs, but as far as i can tell the only real problem with it is the lib32* stuff and the ia32* stuff just seems to be missing a handful of common packages that would be relatively trivial for someone to package up and add to |
| 00:32.41 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.51 | pipeline | gnarface: yes |
| 00:33.04 | gnarface | pipeline: yes to that multilib is coming? |
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| 00:33.17 | abrotman | Miesco: it's pretty easy to find |
| 00:33.18 | Miesco | Intel atom is i386 right? |
| 00:33.19 | pipeline | gnarface: consensus standards for multiarch libs started to firm up in 2010. As of 2011, work has begun and you can have a multiarch debian that more or less works (inside a chroot, at least) |
| 00:33.25 | Miesco | abrotman: Oh there's a bunch of them |
| 00:33.26 | abrotman | !multilib |
| 00:33.31 | gnarface | Miesco: barely |
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| 00:33.38 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 00:33.38 | dpkg | it has been said that multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
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| 00:33.52 | abrotman | gnarface: atom can be i386 or amd64 .. depends on which you have |
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| 00:34.03 | pipeline | they've been talking about multiarch in debian for several years, and now it is finally starting to rock out |
| 00:34.09 | ewan | is this the right place to ask for debian help or is there a dedicated help channel? |
| 00:34.17 | dvs | gnarface: We need the Nxxx model number to be sure |
| 00:34.18 | abrotman | ewan: you can ask here |
| 00:34.26 | ewan | abrotman: cool, thanks. |
| 00:34.32 | gnarface | dvs: noted |
| 00:34.38 | pipeline | gnarface: just use i386 and have done |
| 00:34.54 | Miesco | So can I just do: dd if=debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc? |
| 00:34.59 | Miesco | For my flash drive |
| 00:35.01 | Miesco | Its for a netbook |
| 00:35.02 | gnarface | pipeline: i don't got one i like amd64 desktops and arm handhelds, tell Miesco |
| 00:35.08 | dvs | Miesco: yes |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | Miesco: try it and see .. |
| 00:35.14 | Miesco | kk |
| 00:35.22 | ewan | I upgraded to squeeze the other day, and I'm noticing the X server is randomly losing mouse clicks. The mouse works 100% in my old lenny install, and on my windows box. Some googling reveals it was an issue in ubuntu a while back, with no clear fix. Has anybody heard of anything similar? |
| 00:35.47 | gnarface | abrotman, dvs that will work? an iso9660 cd iso image to an sd card? |
| 00:36.01 | abrotman | gnarface: they're hybrid now |
| 00:36.24 | gnarface | abrotman: oh fancy. wish i knew how to do that with my own mkisofs stuff... |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | ewan: check the BTS .. packages.debian.org/xserver-xorg-input-mouse IIRC |
| 00:36.28 | abrotman | erm .. bugs.debian.org |
| 00:36.36 | Miesco | I'm guessing don't have /dev/sdc mounted? |
| 00:36.38 | ewan | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 00:36.47 | gnarface | Miesco: do NOT have it mounted when you do that |
| 00:36.53 | Miesco | k |
| 00:37.09 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about usb install |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | ewan: bleh .. i don't see much in there though :( |
| 00:37.40 | ewan | just as well - I can't get the focus off this terminal window and back onto the web browser |
| 00:37.48 | babilen | Miesco: Also note the remarks on firmware in the installation guide. |
| 00:38.10 | Miesco | So don't go straight to unstable? |
| 00:38.12 | ewan | it's quite bizarre - I can highlight text in the address bar of the browser, but typing anything goes to this terminal |
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| 00:38.53 | gnarface | ewan: i've had problems that seem similar where its actually iceweasel re-capturing clicks its not supposed to have any right to (after it already gave them up for focus on another object) i mitigate the problem by switching my window manager to focus-follows-mouse (not sloppy, strict) and just paying careful attention to where my mouse is at all times... but that's easy for me because of sun CDE experience |
| 00:39.26 | ewan | gnarface: interesting, might be a similar issue |
| 00:39.39 | ewan | do you run dual screens? |
| 00:39.43 | gnarface | ewan: so in short my suspicion is that its some conflict with focus handling in your window manager and probably a single specific misbehaved program |
| 00:39.46 | gnarface | ewan: yes, actually i do. |
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| 00:40.03 | ewan | gnarface: wondering if that's a contributing factor |
| 00:40.06 | ewan | as I'm dual screen too |
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| 00:40.13 | gnarface | ewan: i use nvidia's binary driver proprietary xinerama workalike (TwinView) |
| 00:40.17 | ewan | me too |
| 00:40.55 | Miesco | Does debian repository have that sweet ass ubuntu remix interface? |
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| 00:41.18 | gnarface | ewan: it seems to be MOST misbehaved in the combination of an open iceweasel window on the edge of one screen with a screen-sized wine desktop (running a program that thinks its fullscreened) on the other desktop |
| 00:41.26 | Miesco | ubuntu netbook remix* |
| 00:42.01 | Miesco | You guys still call your modified firefox iceweasel? |
| 00:42.18 | gnarface | ewan: er, other screen. i've noticed certain transitions between adjacent wine windows and iceweasel windows in that case are problematic... so i just try to keep them a bit apart from each other and when the cpu is under heavy load i make sure to give it time to register passing across some empty desktop space |
| 00:42.35 | gnarface | ewan: what window manager are you using? i'm using e16 (i'm a holdout) |
| 00:42.39 | craigevil | Miesco: weasels are coolers than foxes :P |
| 00:42.54 | Miesco | craigevil: I'll give you that |
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| 00:43.02 | gnarface | Miesco: its a copyright issue. mozilla.org's choice, not "ours" |
| 00:43.03 | babilen | Miesco: 1. Why? 2. No (AFAIK) 3. Yes |
| 00:43.11 | ewan | gnarface: whatever the default with gnome is |
| 00:43.20 | gnarface | ewan: i'm not sure anymore |
| 00:43.28 | ewan | metacity I assume |
| 00:43.29 | ewan | *shrug* |
| 00:43.43 | craigevil | other than the name not much difference, you can even install iceweasel 4.0~rc1-1 |
| 00:43.57 | gnarface | ewan: when i started using e16 it WAS the default with gnome back then (1997 or 1998) but since then i've ditched gnome... sounds like TwinView is the primary suspect here though |
| 00:44.33 | Miesco | craigevil: Can you get iceweasel 4 on stable? |
| 00:44.40 | gnarface | Miesco: the thing to understand is that while the gecko/mozilla code that Firefox is based on is open source, the LOGO and BRAND NAME are not... and there was a certain falling out..... |
| 00:45.03 | Miesco | gnarface: Yea I kind of knew about that |
| 00:45.05 | craigevil | Miesco: not sure ive only ran stable for about a week, always ran sid |
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| 00:45.25 | ewan | going to try killing twinview and see where that gets me |
| 00:45.29 | Miesco | Yea I want unstable, things are too boring if they dont crash |
| 00:45.52 | craigevil | crash? cant remember that ever happening |
| 00:45.56 | homushi | does anyone have froze dialog windows in e17? it just stays on the screen, and cannot be killed, after you choose any option |
| 00:46.02 | homushi | frozen* |
| 00:46.14 | gnarface | Miesco: i heard it involved security fixes... but you can always just download the firefox.deb and install it manually if you need the latest beta (and all its 0-day vulnerabilities) very badly for some reason |
| 00:46.53 | homushi | i found a solution in internet - to turnoff dropshadows, but it didn't work in my case |
| 00:46.57 | gnarface | homushi: i've got all kinds of trouble with e17, especially on ppc... its way not ready for prime-time. i stick with e16 for doing work |
| 00:47.20 | Miesco | Is there any cool netbook desktop managers in the repository? |
| 00:47.26 | homushi | i just couldn't use e16, it's pager-system blowed my mind :) |
| 00:47.43 | gnarface | homushi: that's the feeling of you getting smarter |
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| 00:48.00 | gnarface | power through the pain! |
| 00:48.06 | homushi | gnarface: haha, right you are :) |
| 00:48.13 | comradekingu | homushi: blew your mind |
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| 00:48.27 | homushi | comradekingu: thank you |
| 00:48.47 | homushi | english is not my native language |
| 00:48.53 | ewan | gnarface: yeah I took out the twinview from my x config and restart the x server, and no lost clicks / focus etc |
| 00:48.59 | ewan | (but I'm down to one monitor) |
| 00:49.09 | ewan | going to see if xinerama works |
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| 00:50.22 | gnarface | ewan: your mileage may vary but in my experience twinview's ability to use native hardware acceleration features mostly offsets its few mouse focus bugs, once you've isolated them to specific apps and learned to avoid them and/or regain focus reflexivly |
| 00:51.04 | ewan | gnarface: yeah, going to keep digging, thanks |
| 00:51.13 | gnarface | ewan: it would be nice though if nvidia played nice with the development community for that stuff. their open sourcing of the onboard ethernet card specs was ground breaking |
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| 01:22.03 | nvz | Can anyone recommend a video editor for Debian 6.0? |
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| 01:25.09 | Miesco | Whats stable lenny or squeeze? |
| 01:25.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | pitivi? depends what sort of editing you need |
| 01:25.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | Miesco: squeeze |
| 01:25.33 | Miesco | Whats lenny? |
| 01:25.43 | nvz | Miesco: lenny is "oldstable" |
| 01:25.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: lenny |
| 01:25.49 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 01:30.31 | nvz | simonrvn_ nice tail man, looks good on you.. |
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| 01:31.03 | MarconM | which is new partition system that debian 6 squeeze has ? |
| 01:31.11 | MarconM | zfs[ |
| 01:31.28 | nvz | MarconM: you mean filesystem? |
| 01:31.45 | MarconM | nvz, yes man sorry |
| 01:31.50 | MarconM | do you know |
| 01:31.59 | nvz | MarconM: I believe it now supports Ext4 but I personally won't use it |
| 01:32.38 | MarconM | no no ... its other |
| 01:32.43 | MarconM | zfs i think |
| 01:32.53 | nvz | MarconM: simply because it's a completely different filesystem, and its not yet thoroughly tested... not to mention I have not even come close to reaching the limitations of Ext3 |
| 01:32.59 | nvz | !zfs |
| 01:32.59 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:33.12 | MarconM | nvz, ok ... wait ... i ask for my friend |
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| 01:35.12 | MarconM | nvz, is man its " ZFS " |
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| 01:38.40 | MrFrood | MarconM: You may be thinking of "Debian's GNU/kFreeBSD" |
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| 01:41.48 | bittin | Hello you know of any good Linux for an old Powerbook G3 Wallstreet? |
| 01:43.17 | babilen | bittin: Debian/ppc comes to mind ;) |
| 01:43.23 | MarconM | MrFrood, no no .. man .. i find on wikipia about zfs, the new realease debian 6 has now |
| 01:43.25 | MrFrood | bittin: if you want an unbiased answer you might be better off asking in ##linux |
| 01:43.31 | bittin | =) |
| 01:44.52 | MrFrood | MarconM: yes, Debian 6 GNU/kFreeBSD not Debian 6 Linux |
| 01:45.10 | babilen | MarconM: ZFS is not in the linux kernel due to licensing restrictions. There are fuse based userland utilities though. If you want kernel based support you need Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 01:45.26 | MarconM | hunm |
| 01:45.31 | babilen | MarconM: Or any other *BSD fwiw |
| 01:45.40 | MarconM | babilen, MrFrood thanks |
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| 01:46.11 | MarconM | MrFrood, do you se wich distro in your computer |
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| 01:46.13 | MarconM | use |
| 01:46.16 | yebyen | anybody know how to go about mounting UFS from linux? |
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| 01:46.43 | yebyen | oh |
| 01:46.46 | yebyen | dmesg |
| 01:46.48 | yebyen | would be helpful |
| 01:47.35 | MrFrood | MarconM: Debian on desktops, NetBSD on servers (but I'm thinking of using kFreeBSD) |
| 01:47.46 | yebyen | maybe someone can say what ufstype is used in kfreebsd? |
| 01:48.12 | MarconM | MrFrood, do you know pcbsd |
| 01:48.24 | MarconM | i use ubuntu 10.10 32 bits |
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| 01:49.01 | MarconM | Butt3rfly, MrFrood i will appreciated pcbsd on my desktop |
| 01:49.02 | MrFrood | is it the FreeBSD version of ubuntu? |
| 01:49.02 | MarconM | =D |
| 01:49.04 | MarconM | aeuhaeuaheaueaha |
| 01:49.04 | yebyen | i guess it's 5xbsd |
| 01:49.09 | MarconM | Butt3rfly, sorry |
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| 01:51.24 | rodman | hey guys, sorry if my issue does not relate with the channel, i just think it might. i am looking for the best wireless hardware for a dell that will be running debian |
| 01:51.52 | rodman | dell has two choices: Dell Wireless and Intel Centrino Advanced N 6300 |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | rodman: what chipset is the former? |
| 01:52.07 | rodman | where can i check for a list of "prefered" hardware |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | guesses the Dell on eis broadcom .. |
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| 01:52.53 | rodman | abrotman: Dell Wireless 1501 or 1520 |
| 01:53.03 | rodman | it also says "MiniPCI card" |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | that's not the actual chipset .. that's just their marketing crap |
| 01:53.14 | rodman | is that it? |
| 01:53.19 | rodman | ok |
| 01:53.24 | rodman | i will look for the chipset |
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| 01:53.52 | abrotman | generaly would say to get intel .. but the other is an open shipset .. i'd go with that |
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| 01:54.43 | dvs | rodman: Broadcom 4353 |
| 01:54.49 | rodman | thanks dvs |
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| 01:55.00 | rodman | i couldn't find yet, so its it |
| 01:55.03 | Miesco | My setup says ftp.us.debian.org doesn't support squeeze... |
| 01:56.13 | dvs | or 4311 |
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| 01:56.38 | rodman | i've found this (http://wiki.debian.org/wl) and i suppose if i get a Dell 1501 (Broadcom 4353) i will need to add non-free and apt-get update |
| 01:56.40 | rodman | is that it? |
| 01:56.40 | Miesco | must be my connection |
| 01:57.03 | MrFrood | Miesco: try another mirror |
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| 01:57.50 | MrFrood | Miesco: The Iceland one doesent get a lot of use :| |
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| 01:58.17 | dvs | rodman: just follow those instructions |
| 01:58.19 | rodman | http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx suports Broadcom 43xx |
| 01:59.40 | rodman | gents, by your experience with debian, what would you say, is that a unix-friendly piece of hardware ? (Broadcom 4353/4311, Dell Wireless 1501) |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | they bothrequ9ire nasty firmware .. but broadcom sucks |
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| 02:00.22 | nevyn | +1 |
| 02:00.29 | rodman | dvs: i haven't even bought the hardware! i just want to get a wireless card that behaves on debian |
| 02:01.14 | rodman | would this Intel Advanced-N 6300 do any good? |
| 02:01.16 | babilen | rodman: I would get the Intel hardware. |
| 02:01.22 | rodman | (without nasty firmware) |
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| 02:01.34 | rodman | babilen: that's what i need to know! |
| 02:01.37 | babilen | no use without firmware |
| 02:01.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | all intel wifi has firmware |
| 02:01.48 | MrFrood | wonders whats wrong withusing an 80 ft ethernet cable |
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| 02:01.49 | rodman | so intel is best for unix? |
| 02:01.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | buy the laptop with whatever is cheap, then ditch it and install an atheros |
| 02:03.14 | nevyn | the firmware is restricted for legal/compliance reasons this is annoying but bleh. blame japan. |
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| 02:03.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | nevyn: japan? |
| 02:03.31 | nevyn | japan. |
| 02:03.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | why |
| 02:03.41 | rodman | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry don't get, Atheros is a brand of boards or a driver set that goes with whatever hardware? |
| 02:03.52 | babilen | nevyn: What do the restriction have to do with Japan? |
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| 02:04.07 | babilen | nevyn: And which restrictions are you referring to anyway? |
| 02:04.11 | rodman | nevyn: if i happen to add non-free than it should be fine (with Intel, you mean?) |
| 02:04.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | rodman: atheros is a brand |
| 02:04.41 | babilen | rodman: yes (last question) |
| 02:04.51 | nevyn | Japan's RF compliance regulations restrictions are what prevents the firmware being open. |
| 02:05.09 | MrFrood | rodman: use the install disk that has the restricted drivers |
| 02:05.13 | rodman | babilen: good mate, thanks |
| 02:05.23 | babilen | nevyn: Thanks for clarifying. |
| 02:05.38 | rodman | MrFrood: don't know even if it comes with install disk |
| 02:05.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | nevyn: i've never heard about that before, do you have any references? would be interesting to see |
| 02:05.51 | babilen | nevyn: Do you have a source for that? (if not, ok i can google myself) |
| 02:05.53 | dvs | nevyn: ???? really? |
| 02:05.57 | MrFrood | The Debian install disk |
| 02:06.19 | rodman | MrFrood: sure. thanks |
| 02:06.31 | babilen | !tell rodman -about firmware images |
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| 02:06.43 | babilen | rodman: MrFrood was referring to those |
| 02:07.06 | MrFrood | rodman: there is a version of Debian CD1 with resricted drivers on it |
| 02:07.24 | nevyn | dvs: particularly control of power and frequency |
| 02:07.31 | babilen | !tell rodman -about ig |
| 02:07.32 | rodman | perfect |
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| 02:07.49 | babilen | rodman: The installation guide explains all this and much more :) |
| 02:08.26 | dvs | nevyn: and it's a secret? |
| 02:08.29 | spvensko_ | hi, has anyone here managed to get Dropbox working in Debian 6.0? |
| 02:08.41 | rodman | thanx everybody i think that is enough, it's good you gave this feedback since i was going with Broadcom since it's 15 $ cheaper! |
| 02:08.49 | babilen | spvensko_: You? |
| 02:09.04 | spvensko_ | babilen, i have not, i'm trying to find someone that has that may be able to guide me |
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| 02:09.39 | dvs | rodman: intel has been good to linux |
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| 02:12.04 | rodman | dvs: i once bought a cheap notebook and it was a hell on earth to make stuff work with debian - it looked like every piece os hardware in it had been tailored with M$ in mind and just in a way that would piece linux users |
| 02:12.28 | rodman | piss actually |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | would avoid dell anyway ... |
| 02:13.18 | rodman | what would you say then? |
| 02:13.33 | dvs | is using a cheap Toshiba C650D right now. It was hell to install it |
| 02:13.34 | rodman | i might change that brand as well... |
| 02:13.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | dell business gear is ok |
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| 02:13.47 | rodman | it's business series |
| 02:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | supermicro |
| 02:15.41 | uoods | generally thinkpads are good with linux |
| 02:16.08 | dvs | agrees |
| 02:16.17 | rodman | thinkpads are really great machines |
| 02:16.25 | rodman | i had one, it's very solid |
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| 02:17.39 | zen_monkey | why man would only let me go forward but not backwards ? |
| 02:18.12 | simonrvn | use less as a pager |
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| 02:18.14 | simonrvn | !less |
| 02:18.15 | dpkg | [less] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to <more>, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. |
| 02:18.18 | nevyn | dvs: the problem is that the chips are actually software defined radios |
| 02:18.34 | simonrvn | zen_monkey: more is a bit lame, if useful if you have nothing else |
| 02:19.08 | homushi | what's with my aptitude - when i do 'aptitude safe-upgrade', it makes 'Resolving dependencies...open: 7; closed: 11617; defer: 22940; conflict: 74' for about 10 minutes, and then proposes to remove half of my packages? |
| 02:19.28 | nevyn | dvs: so if you could hack firmware you could make the device non-compliant with the class licence for rf |
| 02:19.38 | zen_monkey | simonrvn, i'm used to be able of navigating through a manpage up and down... |
| 02:19.41 | simonrvn | homushi: well, first resolve the conflicts |
| 02:19.52 | simonrvn | zen_monkey: yes, i know. like i said, install less |
| 02:20.01 | simonrvn | aptitude install less |
| 02:20.03 | dvs | nevyn: ah, I see now. |
| 02:20.07 | homushi | simonrvn: how can i fond them? it never says what the conflicts actually are |
| 02:20.10 | zen_monkey | got it |
| 02:20.12 | nevyn | dvs: intel hen couldn't sell these devices anymore. |
| 02:20.18 | simonrvn | apt-get -f install |
| 02:20.19 | homushi | find* |
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| 02:21.07 | homushi | mm i said i shouldn;t use apt-get with aptitude, is there a command for aptitude? |
| 02:21.19 | homushi | ar it's like tp-get key? |
| 02:21.25 | homushi | apt-get key* |
| 02:21.27 | simonrvn | same one, but it's ok to mix them now |
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| 02:23.50 | homushi | simonrvn: i removed some packages with auto-remove, but still have unresolved dependencies, despite apt-get -f install looks pleased :) |
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| 02:26.13 | Craigwd_2000 | When will there be a new version of Testing available...? I need something more up-to-date than the current Stable but every time I try AptoSid on my HP Pavilion dv6z-1100 when I open Konsole I keep getting weird command not found errors... |
| 02:26.51 | zen_monkey | can someone explain why if i mount a partition as root and try to cp something to it with a normal user i just can't? |
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| 02:27.02 | simonrvn | Craigwd_2000: 1) you're not using debian, but a derivative 2) go to their channel |
| 02:27.12 | simonrvn | zen_monkey: that's how it works |
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| 02:27.36 | simonrvn | man mount; man fstab |
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| 02:27.51 | zen_monkey | simonrvn, stole my words :p |
| 02:27.53 | simonrvn | zen_monkey: look for user and users in man mount |
| 02:28.06 | homushi | simonrvn: any suggestions about my problem? |
| 02:28.37 | Craigwd_2000 | I'd still like to know when the new Testing will have images available though... |
| 02:28.52 | simonrvn | homushi: no, since you didn't tell us (the channel) what the result of that apt-get -f install was |
| 02:29.06 | simonrvn | Craigwd_2000: WIR |
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| 02:30.05 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: you don't need images .. just install it . |
| 02:30.17 | homushi | simonrvn: it found some packages, that were no longer required, and i used apt-get autoremove as it said |
| 02:30.40 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: or install stable then upgrade |
| 02:31.14 | homushi | when i use it again, it just gives looking alright info and quits |
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| 02:32.17 | Craigwd_2000 | Ok: how do I dist-upgrade like that...? What exactly would I need to change in my /etc/sources.list file anyways...? If KDE 4 has issues with my particular PC can I use Testing with LXDE on it...? |
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| 02:32.58 | abrotman | maybe you should be using a distro targeted twoard people who want shiny new shit |
| 02:33.59 | Craigwd_2000 | Yeah: well: there's not very many 64-Bit LXDE distros available ATM... |
| 02:34.21 | homushi | simonrvn: isn't this enough ? ^^; |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | there are lots ? |
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| 02:35.18 | simonrvn | homushi: ok; so it's ok now? |
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| 02:35.36 | |tux| | hello |
| 02:35.51 | homushi | simonrvn: so, aptitude safe-upgrade still finds lots of unresolved dependencies |
| 02:36.09 | |tux| | does anybody know how to change Debian's language ? |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:36.23 | Craigwd_2000 | There used to be a Lenny Era LXDE/Fluxbox hybrid based on Squeeze but the DVD I burned wouldn't install correctly due to a bug in the newer version of the Debian Installer... |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | is he trolling? |
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| 02:37.33 | simonrvn | homushi: run aptitude on its own, and do it manually |
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| 02:39.46 | sysop3 | is there full ffmpeg and x264 binaries for debian? I keep compiling them but vlc still says it cant find them. |
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| 02:40.35 | MrFrood | sysop3: demian-multimedia.org |
| 02:40.56 | MrFrood | sysop3: er *debian-... |
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| 02:45.02 | thafreak | I think the "prefix" setting in my grub2 is set wrong, and it's not loading the menu |
| 02:45.29 | thafreak | i can type configfile /grub/grub.cfg and it works, but it's not finding it automatically |
| 02:45.35 | thafreak | anyone see this before? |
| 02:45.55 | thafreak | from the grub shell, prefix seems to be set to /grub/boot/grub or something silly |
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| 02:47.18 | emacsenlee | !dokg |
| 02:47.23 | emacsenlee | !dpkg |
| 02:47.23 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 02:47.50 | emacsenlee | !reference |
| 02:47.50 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 02:48.04 | emacsenlee | !dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:48.04 | dpkg | i guess dpkg-reconfigure is a tool used to reconfigure packages |
| 02:48.15 | simonrvn | !tell emacsenlee -about msg the bot |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | emacsenlee: msg the bot please |
| 02:48.53 | emacsenlee | yes i see |
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| 02:53.21 | khaleel5000 | hi, on squeeze, i dont seem to have any xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/ (i am running gui, kde4) but just popped around to backup it before installing nvidia drivers, no xorg.conf is there |
| 02:53.29 | khaleel5000 | is its location /name changed? |
| 02:53.48 | Zao | khaleel5000: With modern X.org, it's used, but not needed. |
| 02:54.02 | Zao | khaleel5000: Autoconfiguration tends to take care of most things out of the box. |
| 02:54.23 | Zao | One can still write one and have it do the usual things. |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | khaleel5000: it was like that in lenny too |
| 02:55.42 | khaleel5000 | ok |
| 02:55.44 | khaleel5000 | thanks |
| 02:57.31 | khaleel5000 | I frankly didnt read much about lenny, been dist-upgrade from etch to sid (which was working smoothly , lucky me) alot has changed in 2~3 years in terms on 'processes'.Ignorance was a bliss |
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| 02:59.57 | khaleel5000 | i am getting a little lost here, on squeeze, installed nvidia drivers (debian wiki) but it referes to editing xorg.conf. which is non existant.So now do i do autoconfig myself or will restarting automatically pick it? |
| 03:00.10 | khaleel5000 | pick nvidia drivers* |
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| 03:01.24 | abrotman | so create an xorg.conf |
| 03:02.00 | simonrvn | khaleel5000: you don't need one unless you need to change things, that's why it's not there |
| 03:03.10 | khaleel5000 | ok |
| 03:03.55 | simonrvn | erm |
| 03:04.54 | ewan | in case this is logged on the net and it helps some poor soul googling for a similar problem, the randomly losing clicks / focus thing with twinview goes away if I switch to xfce |
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| 03:05.42 | simonrvn | so it's a wm issue i guess |
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| 03:09.10 | ewan | simonrvn: would appear so, yes. Only seems to happen with default gnome wm (metacity?) and when twinview is enabled |
| 03:09.24 | ewan | didn't happen on my lenny install, only on squeeze and recent ubuntus |
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| 03:31.05 | gravitymeme | hello folks. i've got a command such: /usr/sbin/xfs_quota -xc 'limit bsoft=1G bhard=1G foobaz' /storage/sata. If xfs_quota fails, it outputs the error into stdout which i can't capture. any ideas? |
| 03:31.15 | gravitymeme | thx :) |
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| 03:31.56 | gravitymeme | a failure is something like: xfs_quota: invalid user name: test1222 |
| 03:32.10 | gravitymeme | (i.e., if test1222 doesn't exist) |
| 03:32.34 | gravitymeme | anyone? |
| 03:32.36 | gravitymeme | :) |
| 03:33.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | gruse a shell redirect? |
| 03:34.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | and don't be so impatient |
| 03:35.03 | gravitymeme | Kamping_Kaiser, 2>/tmp/error does it :) |
| 03:35.06 | gravitymeme | ta |
| 03:35.08 | gravitymeme | :D |
| 03:35.11 | gravitymeme | ok |
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| 03:35.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | gravitymeme: :) ftr, if its using 2> its stderr not stdout |
| 03:35.59 | gravitymeme | Kamping_Kaiser, oh ya |
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| 03:42.33 | Miesco | I got debian on my netbook from my usb disk but apparently the router has wpa2 encryption so I need wpasupplicant? |
| 03:43.25 | Miesco | I'm trying to connect to an unencrypted router I got in interfaces: iface wlan0 inet dhcp \ wireless-essid blahblah |
| 03:43.41 | mjmt | ,versions gnome-mount |
| 03:43.43 | judd | Package gnome-mount on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-2 |
| 03:44.20 | gravitymeme | Kamping_Kaiser, thx! |
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| 03:44.59 | karlpinc | Miesco: I don't do wireless but I hear people telling people to use wicd. |
| 03:46.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Miesco: do you have network manager installed? what is your actuall issue at this point? |
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| 03:48.06 | Miesco | Kamping_Kaiser: I do not have a network manager, I am trying to use this unencrypted network so I can download wpasupplicant or wicd |
| 03:48.26 | Miesco | Wait not wicd I dont have X yet |
| 03:48.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok. have you got an error trying to bring up the interface, or you want to know how? |
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| 03:49.30 | Rusty1 | Miesco: as root, iwconfig shows? |
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| 03:50.07 | Miesco | Rusty1: It shows the essid correctly but says no access point |
| 03:50.21 | Miesco | Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 03:50.42 | Miesco | I tried doing: iwconfig wlan0 ap ab:ad:etc |
| 03:51.05 | Miesco | iwlist scan shows ap's |
| 03:51.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Miesco: use 'iwconfig wlan0 essid "youressid"' then 'dhclient wlan0' |
| 03:51.54 | Miesco | kk |
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| 03:53.25 | Rusty1 | Miesco: make sure wlan0 shows up in ifconfig before dhclient wlan0 |
| 03:54.58 | Miesco | Will dhclient print stuff it it works? |
| 03:55.42 | Rusty1 | Miesco: it should show that it is trying to obtain an ip |
| 03:56.05 | Miesco | Not working |
| 03:56.30 | Miesco | dhclient prints nothing to stdout or stderr then exits |
| 03:56.39 | Miesco | after 30 seconds or so |
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| 03:57.16 | Rusty1 | Miesco: wlan0 is in ifconfig? |
| 03:57.49 | Miesco | yea |
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| 03:58.13 | Rusty1 | Miesco: you shouldnt need to >> the output to stdout |
| 03:58.28 | Miesco | im not |
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| 03:59.24 | Miesco | I tried ifdown wlan0 |
| 03:59.29 | Miesco | now im doing dhclient wlan0 |
| 03:59.56 | Rusty1 | Miesco: right |
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| 04:03.56 | Miesco | I think I got it working |
| 04:04.08 | Miesco | I rmmod ath9 then modprobe ath9 |
| 04:04.21 | Miesco | yes! |
| 04:04.37 | Miesco | thanks |
| 04:07.12 | Miesco | Is there a tool to get the sources for squeeze for sources.list |
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| 04:10.09 | JasonWoof | hi, I installed debian (lenny) on my lemote laptop. The installer said there was not compatible kernel, so I installed one from the gnewsense distro. That all worked |
| 04:10.22 | JasonWoof | now I've upgraded to unstable, and (and it's working pretty well) |
| 04:10.32 | JasonWoof | but I'd like to try the latest kernel from debian unstable |
| 04:10.39 | Tiffy | Miesco: Might be useful - http://debgen.simplylinux.ch |
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| 04:11.02 | JasonWoof | I just went to punch in boot loader settings for it, and there's no /boot/initrd.img-* for the kernel |
| 04:11.08 | JasonWoof | how do I create this file? |
| 04:12.00 | JasonWoof | (there's /boot/initrd.img-* files from the kernels I installed from gnewsens, but the debian kernels I installed (from aptitude) only have /boot/System.map-*, /boot/config-* and /boot/vmlinux-* |
| 04:12.33 | JasonWoof | note that this system is odd, in that it doesn't use grub or anything. the bios (pmon) can load the kernel and initrd directly |
| 04:13.23 | Miesco | How do I know what release I have? |
| 04:13.39 | Miesco | debian 6.0.0-netinst.iso |
| 04:13.56 | Tiffy | That's squeeze release. |
| 04:14.25 | Miesco | the deb generator soruce list says squeeze is testing |
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| 04:15.18 | Tiffy | Yes, they haven't changed that yet. It still produces an accurate file though. |
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| 04:17.23 | Miesco | When Id o apt-get update I get: Reading package lists... Error! |
| 04:17.33 | Miesco | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
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| 04:18.15 | Miesco | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 04:18.36 | Miesco | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened |
| 04:19.24 | Miesco | I dont think i'm connected to the internet |
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| 04:19.50 | Miesco | I'll just go to my school tommorow and use the wifi to get wpasupplicant, i'm going to sleep so tired |
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| 04:20.51 | Tiffy | Maybe you should see if you can ping remote sites and confirm that. :) |
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| 04:29.32 | Ratty | Is it possible to only install phppGAdmin without the dependency of apache2? (I have nginx already installed) |
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| 04:33.57 | d5e | good morning! ... I was wondering where can I find a lil tutorial which packages I have to install on debian squeeze for iPhone tethering ... I remind to have it done a few weeks ago on lenny ... but I dont' find it now |
| 04:34.28 | Ratty | jailbreak and ssh |
| 04:34.47 | Ratty | lol |
| 04:34.53 | d5e | its jailbreaked |
| 04:35.01 | d5e | I mean like ipheth-utils |
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| 04:35.25 | Ratty | oh, my bad |
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| 04:37.42 | simonrvn | Ratty: in sid, phppgadmin has apache2 | httpd as deps (amongst others), so nginx should satisfy that. is it getting installed because the resolver thinks oyou don't have an httpd installed (built your nginx locally) ? |
| 04:38.02 | simonrvn | same for wheezy |
| 04:38.10 | simonrvn | ,info phppgadmin |
| 04:38.13 | judd | Package phppgadmin (web, extra) in squeeze/i386: web-based administration tool for PostgreSQL. Version: 4.2.3-1.1; Size: 878.2k; Installed: 5072k; Homepage: http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:38.26 | simonrvn | ,depends phppgadmin |
| 04:38.28 | judd | Package phppgadmin -- depends: libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi, php5-pgsql, apache2 | httpd. |
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| 04:38.43 | simonrvn | Ratty: squeeze is also the case |
| 04:39.05 | Ratty | simonrvn, Okay, I will take a look... In squeeze it wants to install apache2 |
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| 04:39.15 | pickcoder | d5e: you need ipeth-dkms and ipeth-utils |
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| 04:39.26 | d5e_1 | hah! now it works! seems just missed to install some parts network-manager - thanks for you help Ratty .) |
| 04:39.36 | simonrvn | Ratty: it shouldn't, unless you don't have a packaged nginx |
| 04:40.01 | simonrvn | uses lighttpd, but his is packaged |
| 04:40.33 | Ratty | simonrvn, nginx is from dotdeb version 0.8.54-3 |
| 04:40.38 | Ratty | So it is package |
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| 04:41.31 | d5e_1 | Ratty: for latest debian (squeeze) ipheth-utils seems to be fine ... the dkms package is no longer available in repo |
| 04:41.44 | simonrvn | dotdeb? *sigh*. |
| 04:41.45 | Ratty | d5e_1, Oh sweet, congrats! |
| 04:41.46 | simonrvn | ,info nginx-full |
| 04:41.47 | judd | No record of package 'nginx-full' in squeeze/i386. |
| 04:41.53 | simonrvn | ,info nginx |
| 04:41.54 | judd | Package nginx (httpd, optional) in squeeze/i386: small, but very powerful and efficient web server and mail proxy. Version: 0.7.67-3; Size: 330.5k; Installed: 780k; Homepage: http://nginx.net |
| 04:41.57 | Ratty | simonrvn, Oh |
| 04:42.10 | Ratty | That would explain it |
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| 04:42.14 | Ratty | but of course |
| 04:42.24 | simonrvn | nginx-full is only in wheezy and sid |
| 04:42.42 | simonrvn | yeh, it does. is it in dotdeb or backports ? |
| 04:42.50 | Ratty | dotdeb |
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| 04:43.22 | simonrvn | i mean, is nginx-full in dotdeb and/or backports? |
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| 04:44.01 | Ratty | My fault just dotdeb |
| 04:44.03 | Ratty | not backports |
| 04:44.34 | Ratty | I probably should just convert the system to wheezy and give up on squeeze |
| 04:44.50 | simonrvn | ok. so check it to see if they have nginx-full, as that's the only one that has the right Provides: |
| 04:45.01 | simonrvn | or |
| 04:45.01 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 04:45.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 04:49.26 | Ratty | simonrvn, Is there a way to install only phpgAdmin from the sid repo? |
| 04:49.50 | simonrvn | won't make a difference, still wants apache2 | httpd |
| 04:50.19 | Ratty | So best way to go about doing this is just updating the system to wheezy and calling it a day? |
| 04:50.37 | simonrvn | not best, but quick |
| 04:50.38 | skankypete | hi |
| 04:50.42 | skankypete | Current topic is? |
| 04:50.45 | simonrvn | maybe |
| 04:51.10 | simonrvn | skankypete: /topic |
| 04:51.11 | Ratty | okay |
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| 04:53.24 | simonrvn | Ratty: personally i'd just do ssb and call *that* a day |
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| 04:53.50 | skankypete | I have a question about the debian ppc irc channel(s) and the default statement |
| 04:54.39 | Ratty | simonrvn, Pardon a ssb? |
| 04:54.57 | nevyn | single side band? |
| 04:55.19 | jmarsden | sid source backport, I think |
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| 04:56.20 | Ratty | Thanks |
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| 04:57.55 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 04:57.55 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 04:58.05 | simonrvn | simple sid backport |
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| 05:05.44 | Devastator | do you guys happen to know a channel about adobe flash? |
| 05:06.10 | simonrvn | /msg chanserv list *flash* |
| 05:06.31 | Devastator | thanks simonrvn |
| 05:06.38 | simonrvn | np |
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| 05:06.49 | Devastator | -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. |
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| 05:07.45 | Ratty | simonrvn, Excellent! That worked well! I appreciate that, thanks! =) |
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| 05:07.49 | Some_Person | Devastator: just use /list |
| 05:07.51 | simonrvn | oh, check the help. there's a list |
| 05:08.11 | simonrvn | /list might flood him off |
| 05:08.35 | simonrvn | Ratty: ok |
| 05:08.43 | Devastator | i've used /list but it only lists official channels, not ## |
| 05:09.16 | simonrvn | frankly, i'd be surprised if they had a chan |
| 05:09.57 | simonrvn | here |
| 05:09.57 | Devastator | debugging flash issues is a pain |
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| 05:11.31 | Devastator | well, if it helps anyone, "/msg alis help list" is the correct command for listing channels.. source: #freenode |
| 05:12.22 | tharkun | Gentlemen good nigh. Does Debian has in their package list the R language? |
| 05:12.54 | pickcoder | tharkun: eh? |
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| 05:17.11 | nevyn | tharkun: yes. |
| 05:17.25 | tharkun | pickcoder: R language as in R project |
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| 05:18.04 | tharkun | nevyn: What is the name of the package since looking for any of the above variants is usefull and searching for R or r is useless |
| 05:18.19 | tharkun | s/usefull/useless/ |
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| 05:19.34 | nevyn | umm try r-reccomended |
| 05:19.43 | simonrvn | Devastator: ah, they changed it. thanks. |
| 05:20.59 | tharkun | nevyn: thanks |
| 05:21.39 | nevyn | tharkun: then r-cran* for whatever other bits you need |
| 05:21.46 | pickcoder | tharkun: littler is the front end |
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| 05:23.08 | tharkun | pickcoder: thanks also |
| 05:24.25 | Devastator | simonrvn welcome :) |
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| 05:25.49 | indigo_ | Meh, I don't know where else to ask this, but has anyone experienced ssh and/or dtach spewing out garbage when a connection isn't properly terminated? |
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| 06:14.57 | acidchild | i upgraded from lenny to squeeze on my EEEPC 900 series, my touchpad now doesn't allow multi tap to do buttons. |
| 06:15.20 | nevyn | username17: yes. |
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| 06:16.09 | nevyn | username17: if they're currentish xeons then they should have 2 cores rather than 2 HT threads.. |
| 06:16.20 | acidchild | they seem to have changed the way synaptics works on X.org. |
| 06:16.26 | username17 | nevyn, Thanks. Nah, it's an older xeon, single core 32bit. |
| 06:16.32 | Bushmills | acidchild: i seem to require a kernel more recent than 2.6.32 for multi touch on my netbook# |
| 06:16.44 | acidchild | before, it just 'worked' |
| 06:16.49 | Technicus | Hello . . . is it legal to view blueray disks on a Linux system? |
| 06:17.10 | acidchild | Bushmills: which kernel did you upgrade to? |
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| 06:17.29 | Bushmills | 2.6.37 and 2.6.38 |
| 06:17.31 | nevyn | Technicus: there's no licenced option |
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| 06:17.44 | acidchild | are they available on the repos? |
| 06:17.53 | Technicus | nevyn: What does that mean? |
| 06:17.57 | acidchild | i dont feel like compile a kernel on a 900mhz cpu. |
| 06:17.58 | acidchild | :) |
| 06:18.03 | Bushmills | i pulled the sources and compiled them |
| 06:18.29 | acidchild | urg, that is terrible. |
| 06:19.02 | Bus3rr0r | It means there is nobody writing a blu-ray player for Linux |
| 06:19.03 | Bushmills | well, sometimes a person needs some sleep |
| 06:19.20 | acidchild | haha, compile while i sleep? |
| 06:19.23 | homecable | hey |
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| 06:19.30 | homecable | i can complie u one in 5 mins |
| 06:19.48 | homecable | pm me |
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| 06:19.55 | Bushmills | on a faster machine, you could compile while crapping |
| 06:20.02 | Technicus | Bus3rr0r: So is it technicaly legal to view? |
| 06:20.09 | homecable | i have a quadcore box :P |
| 06:20.37 | acidchild | isn't there one online anywhere? |
| 06:20.42 | acidchild | -searchs- |
| 06:20.44 | homecable | http://darkinfo.org/phpsysinfo/ |
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| 06:21.22 | acidchild | no thank you homecable =) i could do it myself. |
| 06:21.46 | niklaswe | how can i get ot a debdiff ? |
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| 06:22.54 | homecable | joey@joey:~$ uname -a |
| 06:22.54 | homecable | Linux joey 2.6.37.3-1103130148-grsec-asus #4 SMP PREEMPT Sun Mar 13 01:51:16 CST 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:22.56 | homecable | :P |
| 06:22.58 | Bus3rr0r | I am not a lawyer |
| 06:23.00 | Bus3rr0r | but personally I will watch a disc I own on anything I want to |
| 06:23.23 | nevyn | Technicus: |
| 06:23.26 | nevyn | ls |
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| 06:24.29 | acidchild | homecable: asus? |
| 06:24.35 | acidchild | what type? |
| 06:24.38 | homecable | brand of computer |
| 06:24.59 | homecable | quadcore q8300 cpu |
| 06:25.09 | homecable | 4 gigs of ram |
| 06:25.13 | acidchild | meh, i will fix this tomorrow when i can spend a little time on it. |
| 06:25.32 | homecable | i use it as my building box |
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| 06:25.54 | acidchild | i can't be bothered right now, my god i only upgraded debian for tk8.5 haha. |
| 06:25.58 | Technicus | Bus3rr0r: Being that Sony is busting down people's doors, I want to know what is legal and what is not: [ http://torrentfreak.com/police-and-sony-raid-ps3-hackers-home-110224/ ]. If viewing blueray in a Linux environment is illegal I want to know. |
| 06:26.29 | Technicus | This is some wierd gray area that I don't understand. |
| 06:27.26 | Technicus | There is a disclaimer on this page about the legalities of using different codecs: [ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD ]. |
| 06:27.39 | Bus3rr0r | I can't see it is illegal, but I am not a lawyer |
| 06:27.57 | Bushmills | prolly some "you own the plastic, but not the arrangement of marks in it" |
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| 06:29.14 | Technicus | Copyright and all other similar laws supporting it have gone too far. |
| 06:30.30 | Bushmills | different country, different laws. |
| 06:32.15 | Some_Person | copyright laws just plain suck |
| 06:32.34 | Bus3rr0r | so they may, but they are still the law |
| 06:32.57 | Bushmills | funny, microsoft says the same about the GPL |
| 06:33.06 | Technicus | There is no logical sense to it. |
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| 06:33.21 | Bus3rr0r | I am not saying there is, just that that's the law |
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| 06:35.07 | Technicus | So how do I find out if it is legal to view blueray on Linux where I am? |
| 06:35.21 | homecable | who cares |
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| 06:35.26 | homecable | just play it |
| 06:35.39 | Some_Person | I have a feeling that the media companies are eventually going to go so far that the masses resort to piracy and illegal methods for everything |
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| 06:35.46 | t3a | is there a pdf addon for iceweasel |
| 06:35.53 | acidchild | where are you located homecable |
| 06:35.58 | homecable | usa |
| 06:36.02 | homecable | tn |
| 06:36.04 | Ogmios | home |
| 06:36.11 | acidchild | the land of the cheap bandwidth. |
| 06:36.18 | homecable | i got 100mbit |
| 06:36.32 | Technicus | Some_Person: That seems possible. |
| 06:36.34 | homecable | wget http://darkinfo.org/pub/debian/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:36.37 | homecable | heh |
| 06:36.44 | homecable | tell me what u all get |
| 06:36.51 | acidchild | ok? |
| 06:36.57 | acidchild | probably faster than you can push |
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| 06:37.17 | homecable | and that box isnt even in a datacenter |
| 06:37.21 | sidh | Greetings |
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| 06:38.03 | acidchild | homecable: its at work? :) |
| 06:38.07 | Some_Person | I just hate software copyrights in general |
| 06:38.10 | homecable | no its my home fiber line |
| 06:38.41 | acidchild | i can't copy paste because of my damn touchpad ;x |
| 06:38.42 | acidchild | driving me crazy |
| 06:38.45 | homecable | ah |
| 06:38.55 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.55 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.55 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.55 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.55 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.55 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.55 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:38.59 | homecable | :P |
| 06:39.02 | acidchild | i can do whois too. |
| 06:39.05 | Ogmios | ha |
| 06:39.26 | homecable | :P |
| 06:39.31 | homecable | fiberoptics |
| 06:39.39 | acidchild | yes, i have them too1 |
| 06:39.40 | acidchild | zomg! |
| 06:39.46 | Some_Person | The worst part is where some company decides to enforce their copyrights over some old piece of software that hasn't been sold in years, preventing its distribution despite no losses for the company. Why do they do this? |
| 06:39.56 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 06:39.57 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 06:40.04 | Some_Person | sorry |
| 06:40.07 | acidchild | pats homecable. |
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| 06:40.45 | nevyn | ~apu: there were many reasons for the civil war both forign and domestic. |
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| 06:40.46 | homecable | acidchild only if you seen my rendering cluster |
| 06:41.06 | acidchild | you like slapping your e-penis around don't you? =) |
| 06:41.16 | sidh | I would need your advice, I did a fresh install yesterday evening, as I have a e1000 NIC based drvier, and wanted to have testing, I first download a netinst stable iso , then s/squeeze/testing in sources.list and apt-get update, and dist-upgrade, but today I added some repos (debian.multimedia) and I get some errors with apt-get update : E: Encountered a section with no Package: header . E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_d |
| 06:41.25 | sidh | I still get the problem |
| 06:42.04 | sidh | i meant a netinst stable non-free iso |
| 06:42.34 | acidchild | homecable: do you know much about offloading encryption on to GPU's? |
| 06:43.10 | homecable | my rending cluster has intel i7 12meg cache 6 core cpus |
| 06:43.27 | acidchild | ok. What do you do with it? |
| 06:44.31 | homecable | rending video |
| 06:44.39 | homecable | u mean GPU as a SSL accelerator |
| 06:45.42 | acidchild | well hashing syn cookies. |
| 06:45.52 | acidchild | btw i only get 7MB/s off your server, not 11. |
| 06:45.53 | acidchild | :( |
| 06:46.09 | homecable | downloading some shit |
| 06:46.09 | homecable | :P |
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| 06:46.24 | acidchild | ah, i'm not that impressed! |
| 06:46.30 | Ogmios | i have a cray |
| 06:46.33 | acidchild | this server can do 111MB/s |
| 06:46.50 | Ogmios | cray-on |
| 06:46.57 | acidchild | Ogmios: is it pink? :D |
| 06:47.04 | Ogmios | yup |
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| 06:47.12 | acidchild | that is very awesome! |
| 06:47.17 | Ogmios | :) |
| 06:48.09 | homecable | my rending cluster uses fiber cards to talk with each other plus my raidbox storge box does was faster then that |
| 06:48.10 | homecable | haha |
| 06:48.16 | acidchild | my crayon is blue, because i'm a boy =D |
| 06:48.56 | homecable | way* |
| 06:50.03 | Ogmios | mine is pink due to emasculated e-peen |
| 06:50.09 | acidchild | haha. |
| 06:50.53 | homecable | just saying only pay 35 mon for my 100mbit |
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| 06:51.36 | acidchild | how old are you homecable? |
| 06:51.41 | homecable | 28 |
| 06:51.41 | Bus3rr0r | lol |
| 06:51.56 | acidchild | that is very disappointing |
| 06:52.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | im running kde4 and cant figure out how to run dolphin file manager with root privileges. |
| 06:52.31 | acidchild | LinuxGuy2009: Don't? |
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| 06:53.14 | homecable | <acidchild> that is very disappointing lmao |
| 06:53.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | i need to delete /usr/lib/gnash cause it seems to have been left behind by the gnash plugin package. |
| 06:53.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | flash is acting up big time |
| 06:53.42 | acidchild | sudo rm -rf /usr/lib/gnash |
| 06:53.43 | acidchild | ? |
| 06:53.59 | homecable | debian doesnt have sudo installed |
| 06:54.01 | homecable | thats ubuntu |
| 06:54.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | su dolphin wont work? |
| 06:54.32 | acidchild | that would try to 'su' to the user dolphin. |
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| 06:54.41 | acidchild | you could do 'su -c dolphin' |
| 06:54.41 | Bus3rr0r | su <user password> |
| 06:54.47 | Bus3rr0r | dolphin <enter> |
| 06:54.56 | homecable | or just su - |
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| 06:55.05 | homecable | then su dolphin |
| 06:55.11 | acidchild | O.o |
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| 06:55.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | not working |
| 06:55.28 | acidchild | LinuxGuy2009: try what i typed :) |
| 06:56.14 | acidchild | you need to retain your current env veriables. su - executes a login shell, which would destroy them. |
| 06:58.09 | acidchild | i use to be pretty negative towards sudo, i'm getting rather use to it now. 99% of the time i do sudo su - though. |
| 06:58.35 | acidchild | i cant remember my root password, maybe i do... |
| 06:58.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | not working |
| 06:58.57 | homecable | LinuxGuy2009 ask bill gates |
| 06:59.17 | acidchild | LinuxGuy2009: pastebin your buffer. |
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| 06:59.28 | acidchild | pastebin.org or w/e |
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| 07:00.03 | acidchild | homecable: check out OpenCL (wikipedia) |
| 07:01.19 | jmarsden | acidchild: sudo su - seems like a weird long-winded way of doing sudo -i ... does it really do something useful that sudo -i does not do? |
| 07:01.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | http://pastebin.com/rEagwrt1 |
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| 07:01.32 | acidchild | jmarsden: nope, not at all. i am just weird. |
| 07:01.33 | acidchild | :D |
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| 07:01.52 | acidchild | just stuck in old habits. |
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| 07:02.46 | lxsameer | is there any tool to replace openoffice with libreoffice automatically? |
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| 07:06.15 | hemmed | hey if i tar and gzip a file and do a md5sum on it .. would i expect to see the same hash if i do it again ? |
| 07:06.19 | hemmed | same files |
| 07:06.38 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:06.46 | hemmed | i am getting a diff hash each time |
| 07:06.56 | hemmed | hm |
| 07:07.08 | hemmed | thats what i thought |
| 07:07.09 | linux_probe | o_O |
| 07:07.15 | hemmed | i wonder whats up ! :) |
| 07:08.10 | linux_probe | there would have to be some file your taring that's changing |
| 07:08.25 | linux_probe | or your taring the tar'd file |
| 07:09.34 | Bus3rr0r | or you have a bad disc/or memory |
| 07:09.49 | linux_probe | yep, if not operator error, then hardware failure |
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| 07:11.40 | hemmed | so weird |
| 07:11.47 | hemmed | maybe something to do with the fact its on some cloud vps |
| 07:12.02 | hemmed | but yeah definately gettign a diff hash each time |
| 07:12.16 | capitan | does anyone know of a simple commandline imap client i can use in a script to extract all the email addresses of people who've emailed me? |
| 07:14.20 | capitan | hemmed, are you getting a different hash on the file itself? |
| 07:14.48 | capitan | keep in mind that tar stores file metadata too |
| 07:15.42 | capitan | make two gzips and binary diff them |
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| 07:18.54 | simonrvn | hemmed: if you're not removing the old tarball, that might account for it |
| 07:19.43 | simonrvn | also getting different sum... |
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| 07:20.33 | simonrvn | like capitan said, you'll get metadata |
| 07:21.08 | Bus3rr0r | same |
| 07:21.08 | Bus3rr0r | I just tried it, and I get a different sum |
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| 07:23.23 | capitan | ah |
| 07:23.27 | capitan | i just tried it too |
| 07:23.28 | Bus3rr0r | use j |
| 07:23.28 | Bus3rr0r | that option works |
| 07:23.28 | Bus3rr0r | gives the same md5sum every time |
| 07:23.48 | capitan | it's gzip |
| 07:23.55 | capitan | just tar gives the same every time |
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| 07:28.40 | capitan | there it is... gzip stores the time stamp on the tar file inside it |
| 07:28.55 | capitan | from the manpage |
| 07:29.04 | Bus3rr0r | thats annoying |
| 07:29.38 | capitan | hehe... ya... i think you can disable it if you do it the old-fashioned way |
| 07:30.04 | capitan | (two step)... or maybe somewhere inside of tar's manpage there's an option to do it too |
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| 07:30.56 | grim_fandango | Does anyone have an example of sendmail+dovecot working together using the dovecot deliver agent? |
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| 07:32.21 | Bus3rr0r | bzip2 seems to do it fine |
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| 07:36.52 | caraconan | Good morning. I want to allow to user1 to execute a commmand as root without having to type the password. I added this line with 'sudo visudo': |
| 07:37.05 | caraconan | user ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/chmod /var/spool/hylafax/log/xferfaxlog, /bin/cp /var/spool/hylafax/log/xferfaxlog |
| 07:37.21 | caraconan | Then I reboot the server (I now is not necessary), but still not working |
| 07:37.23 | caraconan | Any idea? |
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| 08:03.13 | treebeen | doh, chromium-browser was renamed to chromium in sid? |
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| 08:03.27 | treebeen | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 08:03.28 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze3; sid: 10.0.648.133~r77742-1 |
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| 08:03.34 | treebeen | ,versions chromium |
| 08:03.35 | judd | Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 10.0.648.133~r77742-1 |
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| 08:04.20 | treebeen | hmm, so now on squeeze chromium is chromium-bsu, and on sid chromium is chromium-browser |
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| 08:05.25 | gechmog | Hi, I migrated to debian squeeze from ubuntu 10.04, and I was wondering where the flash videos are located at? On ubuntu they were stored in /tmp/, but that doesn't appear to be the case with debian. :/ |
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| 08:10.32 | treebeen | gechmog: really? i thought they are there... but it's probably a newer version of flash, adobe is now deleting the file in /tmp so that only the browser can access it but you don't see in the dir |
| 08:10.47 | gechmog | nope |
| 08:10.50 | ethanol | morning |
| 08:10.53 | gechmog | I looked and it's not there |
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| 08:11.11 | gechmog | was a real drag, but I can manage I guess. Sucks adobe did that :( |
| 08:12.07 | gechmog | thank you for the info treebeen |
| 08:12.36 | treebeen | gechmog: there is a way to access the file anyway... let me find that quickly |
| 08:13.57 | gechmog | I'm using ice weasel, and thank you treebeen |
| 08:13.59 | gechmog | :D |
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| 08:17.30 | quiritius | gechmog: look in ~/.mozilla/firefox/{giberish_as_the_name_of_your_profile}.default/Cache. Clean the cache before, then wait until the video is fully downloaded, then just pick the largest (usually) file in that folder and reneme it somewhere into movie.flv. then watch. |
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| 08:18.23 | gechmog | quasisane, thank you very much :D |
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| 08:24.21 | jnewt | I have all of my (and two two other's) files on a central location (debian lenny) with mapped network drives for each person with samba. i had someone do an accidental delete a couple of days ago, and the most recent backup i have is from the night before. i notices that the context menu for "undo delete" doesn't work. is there a way to fix this? |
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| 08:25.21 | Some_Person | Is there a simple way to invert all colors in GNOME? |
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| 08:27.29 | arand | Some_Person: Compiz |
| 08:27.33 | Bushmills | jnewt: depends on file system on the drive |
| 08:27.39 | jnewt | ext3 |
| 08:27.44 | Bushmills | difficult |
| 08:27.54 | jnewt | better file system for this? |
| 08:27.56 | Some_Person | arand: bleh --- I don't want compiz |
| 08:28.01 | Bushmills | log structured fs |
| 08:28.11 | arand | Some_Person: Or use a high-contrast-inverse theme. |
| 08:28.21 | jnewt | Bushmills: sounds difficult as well |
| 08:28.33 | Bushmills | nilfs2 for example |
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| 08:28.46 | Some_Person | arand: Won't affect a web browser |
| 08:29.23 | jnewt | Bushmills: is conversion possible after installing nilfs2-tools in lenny? |
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| 08:30.14 | Bushmills | no. create filesystem on other partition, copy files |
| 08:30.52 | jnewt | prob is, ext3 partition / fs is the whole drive. maybe a way to compress / shrink? |
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| 08:31.40 | Bushmills | volume -> backup, create fs, backup -> volume |
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| 08:31.55 | treebeen | gechmog: hmm, something like that: http://vikas-chouhan.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-flash-doesnt-cache-to-tmp-quick-and.html - but I couldn't make it work |
| 08:32.23 | jnewt | yeah, that's what i was thinking. that's gonna be a "next weekend project. have 800gb+ of data |
| 08:32.24 | Bushmills | there are more log structured file systems than nilfs2 |
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| 08:32.44 | jnewt | yeah, i am seeing that, looking for good comparison |
| 08:33.38 | Bushmills | main idea of those is to not reuse deleted-files space quickly, and keep pointers to files previously stored there |
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| 08:34.51 | jnewt | so what, is there a bunch of sym / hardlinks that the user sees? |
| 08:35.31 | Bushmills | user sees just the current version, unless using file system specific tools which show older (now deleted) versions of those files |
| 08:35.51 | jnewt | sounds like version control (cvs / svn) |
| 08:35.52 | Bushmills | some allow to snapshot a state, and mount those snapshots |
| 08:36.40 | Bushmills | well, it sort if is. file system with automatic, inherent, versioning |
| 08:36.44 | Bushmills | sort of |
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| 08:38.15 | jnewt | alright, thanks for the info. i'm going to have to figure this out in a couple of days. |
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| 08:39.30 | Some_Person | got it! "xcalib -invert -alter" |
| 08:39.37 | Bushmills | write performance is commonly not as good as ext fs, but restore performance is much better |
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| 08:41.12 | jnewt | Bushmills: i haven't seen any issues on the drive, as far as performance (i use the wd 1tb black drives). they seem to be fast to me. |
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| 08:41.38 | jnewt | not as fast as the ssd on my win pc, but fast enough |
| 08:41.40 | Deffie | hello everyone, theres any repository for more recent kernel images for lenny ? |
| 08:41.42 | gechmog | thank you very much treebeen, this will simply things greatly for me :) |
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| 09:03.26 | OldMonk | hi. can you think of a command-line tool for displaying the duration of a WAV file? |
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| 09:05.32 | AldenIsZen | Hi, I am about to download a Debian live CD to try. I am curious, I see there are different versions, such as Gnome, KDE, etc, What is the "Standard" version? |
| 09:06.28 | Bushmills | OldMonk: sox --info |
| 09:07.27 | OldMonk | Bushmills: thanks, exactly what i need |
| 09:07.44 | niklaswe | if i will get out to diff between deb-packages1.deb and deb-packages2.deb.. will i use debdiff packages1 packages2 ? |
| 09:08.35 | niklaswe | i must know the changes between openafs1.4.12.1+dfsg-4 and ubnutus openafs_1.4.12+dfsg-3 |
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| 09:10.19 | simonrvn | niklaswe: debdiff --help ... |
| 09:10.48 | niklaswe | simonrvn: yes i have read it, but i dont whats right between to use dsc or use the deb-packages |
| 09:11.02 | simonrvn | .deb |
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| 09:11.30 | simonrvn | you have your choice.. |
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| 09:12.29 | AldenIsZen | I tried to find what the "Standard" live CD entails, but haven't had much luck... |
| 09:12.39 | AldenIsZen | Anyone have any idea? |
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| 09:12.45 | OldMonk | is there a standard debian live cd? |
| 09:12.53 | simonrvn | !debian live |
| 09:12.53 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 09:13.01 | void_pointer | AldenIsZen standard UI for debian? CLI |
| 09:13.03 | OldMonk | ach, so! |
| 09:13.09 | void_pointer | live it, baby, live it |
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| 09:20.17 | AldenIsZen | thanks void_pointer .... I guess I should have known. But wanted to be sure. |
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| 09:23.02 | void_pointer | AldenIsZen you are talking about desktop environments / window managers. You can change these at will once you've installed debian |
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| 09:23.24 | nsadmin | mm. forgot something |
| 09:24.10 | void_pointer | AldenIsZen it all depends on how "heavy" you want your GUI. For instance, when I resort to a GUI I use fluxbox (light). Other people (allegedly) like Gnome or KDE (heavy) |
| 09:24.44 | WormFood | I'm totally stumped...I have a suid wrapper that calls a shell script (because shell scripts can't be suid)...when I call the wrapper from the command line, it works as expected, but when called from my program, it won't work. |
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| 09:25.21 | WormFood | my shell script simply creates a file in /tmp to verify the user it is running as |
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| 09:27.29 | WormFood | I can't figure it out...it makes no sense...and the exact same setup works on a different machine (also debian, but older release) |
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| 09:28.12 | WormFood | this is incredibly frustrating, and I have no idea where to look next |
| 09:29.15 | hamid_rostami | I upgraded from lenny to squeeze, but my gnome desktop not starting and dont show login page, please help me. |
| 09:29.36 | hamid_rostami | I recorded my upgrade process with `script' |
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| 09:33.00 | hamid_rostami | Traceback (most recent call last): |
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| 09:33.51 | hamid_rostami | sorry for bad output :/ |
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| 09:34.41 | robokop | looks like you atleast tried to use pastebin :) |
| 09:35.01 | WormFood | what makes you think that robokop? |
| 09:35.06 | hamid_rostami | robokop: yes, i havn't desktop enviroment |
| 09:35.34 | robokop | WormFood: he pasted an pastebinit error :) |
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| 09:35.49 | nsadmin | Hi, trying to see why my amd64x3 phenom sata is performing so badly... here's my lspci -nn: http://pastebin.com/pV6k8T14 |
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| 09:36.34 | nsadmin | I'm in single user mode atm, so switching around and such is going to be somewhat inconvenient |
| 09:37.08 | Bushmills | hamid_rostami: run, from console, startx /usr/bin/xterm, and from the opening xterm: gnome-session. look what errors it gives you |
| 09:37.48 | hamid_rostami | Bushmills: thanks, a moment.. |
| 09:38.04 | nsadmin | that was the output of "/exec lspci -nn | pastebinit"... I decided against -o |
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| 09:39.17 | nsadmin | , pciid 1002:4391 |
| 09:39.18 | judd | [1002:4391] is 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4391 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 09:41.14 | nsadmin | the weird thing is the installer rocked... evidentally the hardware detection in (and for) the installer is better than the interpretation of its output by a running installation |
| 09:42.14 | hamid_rostami | Bushmills: after starting gnome-session, screen is blinking in black<>green color and give error like: gdk_pixbuff... != NULL, how can i capture this error ? |
| 09:42.45 | WormFood | hhhmmm....seems to work if my shell for my script is /bin/sh, but not /bin/bash |
| 09:43.06 | Bushmills | you can probably redirect it to file, like gnome-session 2> errors |
| 09:43.32 | hamid_rostami | Bushmills: oh, ty :) |
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| 09:43.52 | Bushmills | but before, try to run another window manager, like fluxbox, or just try metacity |
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| 09:48.47 | hamid_rostami | Bushmills: metacity give me this error: ...symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so undefined symbol: pango_fc_fontset_key_get_context_ke |
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| 09:50.03 | hamid_rostami | Bushmills: this error exactly exist in gnome-session error output |
| 09:50.10 | nsadmin | stuff is supposed to work together in debian,,, you know, like libs and executables... are you mixing versions or doing something else unusual? |
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| 09:51.25 | hamid_rostami | nsadmin: some month ago try to install newer version of GTK from source |
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| 09:51.49 | nsadmin | oh, clean that up and you should be good to go |
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| 09:53.00 | hamid_rostami | nsadmin: how can i clean all of them? I removed it with `make uninstall' |
| 09:53.22 | au_ | Hello, I have a Debian Squeeze desktop and wondering if anybody else has had any luck with getting a Creative Sound Blaster Play USB soundcard to work? |
| 09:53.40 | nsadmin | did you build anything against the new libs? |
| 09:53.41 | au_ | I insert mine, connect headphones to it but music still comes from speakers |
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| 09:55.37 | RichiH | what, if any, bug level is "package uninstallable in sid for two weeks now"? |
| 09:55.47 | WormFood | I have a suid wrapper to call a shell script, because shell scripts can't be suid...when I have my shell as dash, the suid part works fine....but when I have the shell as bash, the suid part does not work, when called from a program, but works fine when called from the command line...anyone have any ideas? |
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| 09:56.09 | hamid_rostami | nsadmin: yes, libpango..pixbuf .. :( |
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| 09:56.23 | nsadmin | you'll need to clean that up too |
| 09:58.04 | hamid_rostami | nsadmin: is a way for install gnome-desktop from scratch ? |
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| 09:58.59 | hamid_rostami | nsadmin: i tried apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment and then install, but .. |
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| 09:59.24 | nsadmin | actually you have a choice... given that debian doesn't work that well with libs you try to upgrade yourself, you can decide to forego everything that debian offers, and ignore dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, and take full charge of all the maintainance of your installation |
| 09:59.28 | nsadmin | or |
| 09:59.43 | nsadmin | you can be more careful :) |
| 10:00.03 | robokop | hamid_rostami: look in the $prefix you used when compiling and try to see if any libs remain there |
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| 10:00.18 | robokop | hamid_rostami: most likely /usr/local |
| 10:01.15 | jimcooncat | WormFood, "when called from a program" -- as root? |
| 10:01.38 | WormFood | no, program is running as a different user |
| 10:01.48 | orbital_fox | hi, do you know if debian 6 can provide the functionality xen's XCP does? |
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| 10:02.05 | hamid_rostami | robokop: yes :( |
| 10:02.16 | WormFood | the program calls an suid program, which in turn calls the shell script...when run from the command line, as root, or a normal user, it works as expected. |
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| 10:03.15 | nsadmin | the thing is that both choices are perfectly valid, because the choce you make should depend on what YOU want for YOUR computer |
| 10:03.34 | robokop | hamid_rostami: /usr/local isn't used by official debian packages so prune the unwanted stuff from /usr/local |
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| 10:04.10 | au_ | ooh |
| 10:04.12 | au_ | well |
| 10:04.20 | au_ | actually, the sound card is recognised |
| 10:04.33 | au_ | it appears in lsmod, dmesg etc |
| 10:04.37 | jimcooncat | WormFood, I'm too new to help much but I find it interesting. What are you calling it from that it fails? |
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| 10:04.50 | au_ | is there a way to tell debian to use my usb soundcard and not my internal speakers? |
| 10:05.18 | nsadmin | what you -could- do is remove all traces of gnome/gtk from your system (incl. all gtk/gdk/other gnome lib linked programs) and build everything you want to use up from scratch |
| 10:05.27 | nsadmin | this, however, is a daunting task |
| 10:05.28 | WormFood | holy shit! I got it to work! |
| 10:05.45 | WormFood | totally bizarre |
| 10:06.10 | WormFood | jimcooncat, it is just being called from a program running as a normal user |
| 10:06.22 | WormFood | but the program it calls, needs to be run as a different user |
| 10:06.30 | sir8472 | au_: yes, there should be something in the system settings under sound, if you're using the GNOME |
| 10:06.37 | jimcooncat | WormFood, that's what suid is all about, right? |
| 10:07.11 | WormFood | right, but the problem is, it wasn't working as expected |
| 10:07.27 | au_ | sir8472: there isn't anything in System -> Preferences for *sound* |
| 10:07.35 | WormFood | when run from the command line, it would change user like it is supposed to, but it wouldn't change users when called from the program |
| 10:07.36 | buntfalke_ | How to tell apt-get / aptitude that I don't care about a certain missing dependency? |
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| 10:08.02 | WormFood | so....tracking down the problem was a little tricky....but think about it...what is the difference between how the program is being called? |
| 10:08.02 | buntfalke | Or rather a dependency which is a virtual package which cannot be provided |
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| 10:08.31 | jimcooncat | WormFood, environment? |
| 10:08.44 | WormFood | and the only real difference is the environment.....so since bash is being called I figured it had something to do with bash |
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| 10:10.21 | jimcooncat | WormFood, I suppose that if you hadn't been able to get things to work that way, using sudoers may have helped -- but would be tough to ensure safety |
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| 10:12.06 | ghoulsblade | hi all, any good ncurses/nongraphical partition manager you can recommend ? "parted" the best choice (looks a bit complex/lowleve) or is there something more commonly used |
| 10:12.08 | chrisb | Just installed squeeze and noticed you can't have a .xinitrc any more. How is one now meant to just start an app (e.g an xterm) |
| 10:12.25 | nsadmin | why not fdisk? |
| 10:12.47 | jimcooncat | ghoulsblade, it's worthwhile to learn parted |
| 10:13.15 | ghoulsblade | fdisk shows cylinders etc for me, i'd like to see partition sizes in mb or gb |
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| 10:13.21 | treebeen | ghoulsblade: cfdisk |
| 10:13.35 | sir8472 | au_: I must be thinking of Ubuntu then. Maybe in a terminal try "asoundconf list" and then "asoundconf set-default-card YOUR_CARD" |
| 10:13.46 | nsadmin | I had bad luck with parted... I'm not sure it writes partition tables correctly |
| 10:14.13 | ghoulsblade | treebeen, sounds interesting, can't find it via atitude search though, do i have to add universe or something |
| 10:14.25 | Bushmills | ghoulsblade: "...and change display units to sectors (command 'u')" says fdisk right on its opening screen |
| 10:14.28 | treebeen | ghoulsblade: isn't it installed? |
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| 10:14.48 | chrisb | nsdamin: it's what debian-installer uses. |
| 10:14.50 | au_ | sir8472: ok I installed something gnomish from apt-get, I have it now |
| 10:14.53 | ghoulsblade | treebeen, it is preinstalled ? nice =D |
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| 10:15.25 | treebeen | AFAIK parted shouldn't be used for setting up partitions, I remember it giving a notice even |
| 10:15.28 | au_ | sir8472: what package is asoundconf from? |
| 10:16.09 | ghoulsblade | Bushmills, sectors and cylinders are equally worthless for me =\ |
| 10:16.17 | ghoulsblade | but cfdisk looks cool, thanks =D |
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| 10:18.06 | chrisb | Just installed squeeze and noticed you can't have a .xinitrc any more. How is one now meant to just start an app (e.g an xterm) |
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| 10:18.28 | yang | I have some trouble on a preety old (2005) leptop not reading well SDHC cards, with 2 GB I have no problem, but with 8GB there is spitting out some errors |
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| 10:18.45 | yang | maybe the SDHC card could also be defected, but I am not sure |
| 10:18.55 | treebeen | chrisb: .xsessionrc |
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| 10:20.06 | chrisb | treebeen: Thanks. Been a few changes since last install. :) |
| 10:20.22 | Bushmills | yang: then you'll have to stick to SD cards |
| 10:20.30 | yang | well |
| 10:20.42 | yang | someone suggested somehow updating BIOS ? |
| 10:20.47 | yang | that it would help |
| 10:20.48 | sir8472 | au_: I'm not sure, I was reading a post on the debian user forums about sound problems and they suggested using it. asoundconf-gtk? I'm not too clued up on packages, I'm new to linux. |
| 10:20.58 | Bushmills | how should we know? |
| 10:21.20 | Bushmills | you better ask your old-laptop support group |
| 10:21.20 | au_ | sir8472: nothing for asoundconf, but thanks for your help! |
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| 10:24.34 | JPT | where can i find a list of mirrors for debian >sarge<? :) |
| 10:24.55 | ethanol | uhm |
| 10:24.56 | ethanol | you cannot |
| 10:24.58 | sir8472 | au_: no worries :-) |
| 10:25.05 | petemc | its archive.debian.org or nothing |
| 10:25.08 | robokop | JPT: archive.debian.org |
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| 10:25.11 | JPT | okay :) |
| 10:25.13 | JPT | thanks |
| 10:25.16 | petemc | !tell JPT about sarge sources.list |
| 10:25.38 | ethanol | JPT: you know it is 2011 right? not 2005 :< |
| 10:25.42 | JPT | i know |
| 10:25.51 | JPT | but the guy that never updated that old machine doesn't |
| 10:26.02 | JPT | and i'm the poor one who has to install some packages >.< |
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| 10:27.44 | robokop | JPT: upgrade to squeeze? |
| 10:28.07 | JPT | i guess that's impossible |
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| 10:28.18 | ethanol | JPT: you're only 3 releases behind |
| 10:28.20 | JPT | that machine grew its own distribution :/ |
| 10:28.42 | JPT | only 3 releases :D |
| 10:28.53 | ethanol | sarge > etch > lenny > squeeze, right? |
| 10:28.57 | JPT | yep^^ |
| 10:29.17 | JPT | but still, there is too much stuff on there that depends on old libraries because it is self-compiled :/ |
| 10:29.26 | JPT | i'd love to set up the whole machine from scratch... that'd be easier than updating |
| 10:29.33 | ethanol | probably |
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| 10:29.51 | WormFood | jimcooncat, no,,,,sudo wouldn't have helped in my case |
| 10:30.11 | WormFood | anyways...what I did to fix it, was add the -p option...and now it works as expected :D |
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| 10:33.38 | jimcooncat | WormFood, -p option to what, the bash script command? |
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| 10:34.11 | WormFood | yeah...on the first line of the script |
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| 10:34.37 | WormFood | so, if you don't set -p, it will break if called from a suid program, but will work fine if called from the command line |
| 10:34.40 | WormFood | weird, eh? |
| 10:34.52 | Deffie | haha WormFood, lol, you are not for cremation, i suppose |
| 10:35.00 | jimcooncat | "#! /bin/bash -p" then. Thanks WormFood, I'm learning |
| 10:35.45 | WormFood | Deffie, yeah, I prefer not to burn books :P |
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| 10:38.49 | nsadmin | a setuid binary executable is risky enough... a setuid script, well, just be really careful |
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| 10:39.15 | petemc | since when is a suid script possible? |
| 10:39.26 | nsadmin | perl for one |
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| 10:40.42 | nsadmin | and before you start throwing the word "impossible" around, you know as well as anyone that anything's possible |
| 10:42.45 | nsadmin | so it should be tempered by purpose and extreme care if someone wants to go into those waters |
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| 10:45.22 | nsadmin | in particular... it's easy enough for those experienced to alter the C code of interpreters to allow and/or facilitate that kind of thing |
| 10:46.22 | WormFood | nsadmin, Linux does not usually allow suid shell scripts....that is why I had to make a suid wrapper to call the shell script...and yes, I'm aware of the security implications |
| 10:46.50 | nsadmin | it's not "linux" that allows or doesn't allow |
| 10:47.08 | nsadmin | it's the interpreters |
| 10:47.42 | nsadmin | but you're right, this situation is very unusual |
| 10:47.47 | WormFood | that is not my understanding of how it works....do you have some reference that explains it? |
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| 10:49.14 | Shadur | Just flipping the suid bit in a file's permissions doesn't actually do anything - it just gives it permission to execute the setuid() function call if it wants. |
| 10:49.37 | Shadur | Shell interpreters don't have any kind of functionality to call setuid(). |
| 10:50.14 | WormFood | Shadur, that isn't true |
| 10:50.23 | WormFood | you need to go read up on suid |
| 10:50.32 | nsadmin | but the interpreter itself could be setuid, and try to read the setuid bit in the file |
| 10:50.49 | WormFood | that is true nsadmin, but not how it works in the normal world |
| 10:51.00 | nsadmin | very true |
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| 10:51.12 | jrgp | anyone know of a cli excel xls reader? |
| 10:51.15 | nsadmin | as you already know, this is unusual |
| 10:51.24 | WormFood | and I have no idea where Shadur came up with his ideas of how it works...that is just crazy |
| 10:51.46 | nsadmin | jrgb what would it do upon reading it? |
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| 10:54.23 | Shadur | WormFood: Granted, it's been at least a decade and a half since I last consciously thought about how suid works. |
| 10:54.33 | nsadmin | let's see, so let's go into detail here on how it does work... the first thing that happens is what, a call to something like execve()? |
| 10:55.11 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid |
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| 10:55.35 | nsadmin | unfortunately I'm still in single user mode |
| 10:55.47 | WormFood | and, did anyone notice that ping is suid? |
| 10:56.23 | nsadmin | well ping is a binary executable, so for this discussion that's a degenerate case |
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| 10:56.59 | WormFood | oh yeah...and another thing about the security of my suid script (wrapper really)...I'm not getting root....I'm just changing to another normal user, to access the files that user has access to, WITHOUT giving them root access ;) |
| 10:57.01 | takamichi | My VPS provider only provides Lenny. Is there any reason why I might not be able to remotely upgrade the VPS to squeeze? |
| 10:57.28 | WormFood | wow takamichi, that sucks balls....tell them to pull their head out of their ass ;) |
| 10:57.36 | WormFood | takamichi, really, there should be no problem |
| 10:57.49 | robokop | takamichi: none, but they most likely wanna test and make default images before they upgrade |
| 10:57.50 | takamichi | WormFood: I just did |
| 10:57.53 | Shadur | ping has to be suid because it needs to craft ICMP packets. |
| 10:57.56 | WormFood | I upgraded my vps from lenny to squeeze, with few problems...just be sure you're running a recent kernel |
| 10:58.14 | WormFood | Shadur, of course, but that isn't obvious to most people, I think |
| 10:58.15 | themill | WormFood: you often don't get the choice of kernel in a vps; that can be the problem |
| 10:58.46 | takamichi | themill: Yes thanks, Im aware of that issue |
| 10:58.53 | WormFood | that is true themill....however, if he can upgrade to a newer kernel that properly supports udev, then he should have no problems upgrading |
| 10:59.22 | takamichi | WormFood: Thank you for the info |
| 10:59.35 | themill | indeed; I'd be tempted to play it a little more conservatively than that, depending on how horrible the prospect of reimaging and rebuilding the machine is |
| 11:00.01 | WormFood | yes...I also suggest you be very careful...and be sure to have a backup |
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| 11:00.26 | robokop | takamichi: most likely they will offer squeeze in a month or so |
| 11:00.32 | takamichi | themill: Nah, I use puppet to deply new servers, takes around 35 seconds to redeploy a server |
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| 11:00.43 | takamichi | robokop: thanks |
| 11:01.11 | robokop | takamichi: most VPS providers do some heavy QA before offering a new base image |
| 11:01.13 | WormFood | robokop, don't bet on it...I had a vps from one big provider...and I didn't get the choice of using debian...I was forced to use redhat....but I didn't even get an update, until AFTER the one they provided was not shipping security updates. |
| 11:01.46 | WormFood | get a VPS with linode....you won't regret it (unless you're a spammer) |
| 11:02.08 | WormFood | you can get EVERYTHING under linode...you can even upload your own distros |
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| 11:02.14 | robokop | WormFood: most VPS provider offer one distro but upgrade quite regulary |
| 11:02.33 | WormFood | not linode...they offer you everything...even betas |
| 11:02.56 | WormFood | they even offer fbsd support ;) |
| 11:03.25 | takamichi | WormFood: yes I have a few Linodes but sometimes I need more bandwidth that Linode can cheaply provide |
| 11:04.03 | WormFood | yeah, that is one thing I don't like about linode....I feel their bandwidth is a little expensive....but I get excellent service, and excellent speeds, and I can do what I want |
| 11:04.04 | takamichi | WormFood: The provider in questions is quickweb.co.nz - They seem alright so far with my other VPS's |
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| 11:04.32 | WormFood | my other server cost me $30 USD a month, and I got 500 gig of bandwidth...but I went with a linode for the same price, but I only get 300 gig of bandwidth |
| 11:04.50 | WormFood | the biggest difference....I can't use the 500 gig of bandwidth the way I want...I want to run a VPN, and they won't let me |
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| 11:05.11 | takamichi | WormFood: How can they stop you running a VPN? |
| 11:05.15 | WormFood | so, because I couldn't run a vpn, and I got shit speed, and they wouldn't let me run debian....I changed VPSes |
| 11:05.35 | WormFood | takamichi, just the way their virtualization worked |
| 11:05.47 | sviluppo | what's the other chan bot? dpkg just left freenode |
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| 11:05.58 | WormFood | I should just need to load a properly kernel module, but they don't provide that module |
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| 11:06.06 | WormFood | and i can't use my own kernel |
| 11:06.08 | nsadmin | it does that every 24 hrs |
| 11:06.11 | themill | sviluppo: dpkg always restarts at this time of day... if he doesn't come back, I'll bring dselect back. |
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| 11:06.20 | takamichi | WormFood: Right, I have come across this before with openvz |
| 11:06.23 | sviluppo | themill: thanks |
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| 11:06.55 | nsadmin | brb |
| 11:06.58 | sviluppo | I'm trying to update an old debian, I've moved sources.list to squeeze but I get the NO_PUBKEY error |
| 11:07.08 | sviluppo | I rmeember dpkg is helpful about that |
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| 11:07.41 | Shadur | So polite, too. |
| 11:07.58 | sviluppo | themill: do you remember the keyword for gpg pubkey instructions? |
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| 11:17.27 | crilly | I've been tasked with configuring our backup servers as follows: create a new ZFS partition on the end of the disks using the available free space, then put them into a RAID0. I have the following output from 'fdisk -l': http://pastebin.com/0NjLQTwQ - what type of file syste, is "Linux raid autodetect"? Is this disk employing an LVM, or do I need to create an LVM partition on the end of the physical disk (my boss has asked me to use LVM). |
| 11:18.52 | SlayerXP | crilly: what combination of drugs are you and/or your boss on? |
| 11:19.17 | SlayerXP | regardless, your dosage is either too high or too low. |
| 11:19.23 | syn4pse- | lol |
| 11:19.32 | syn4pse- | funny but not very informative answer :D |
| 11:19.39 | crilly | Cool. So how do I do what I need to do? |
| 11:19.50 | syn4pse- | take the blue pill :D |
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| 11:19.56 | crilly | Cool. So how do I do what I need to do? |
| 11:20.11 | syn4pse- | repeat urself untill you arrive where you want to arrive |
| 11:20.25 | abrotman | crilly: why does your backup server run RAID0 ? |
| 11:20.36 | crilly | So you're not going to assist me then? OK, I'll ask on a news group or something. |
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| 11:20.46 | crilly | abrotman: I meant RAID 1, sorry. |
| 11:20.59 | abrotman | crilly: generally, "linux raid autodetect" is from mdraid |
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| 11:21.26 | crilly | I got an answer in ##linux instantly, which wasn't some smart arse dumb response. |
| 11:22.02 | abrotman | crilly: wait .. you're going to use lvm and zfs and mdraid ? |
| 11:22.13 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I was waiting for someone else to spot that :) |
| 11:22.19 | Ticho | so, how does your LVM partition look like? :> |
| 11:24.32 | crilly | abrotman: Thanks for your time. I'm asking elsewhere for the time being :) |
| 11:24.43 | abrotman | well, okay .. |
| 11:25.04 | abrotman | crilly: FWIW, ZFS has CRC built-in ... |
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| 11:25.22 | abrotman | and data scrubbing? |
| 11:26.37 | crilly | Cool. To be honest, I'm thinking I should re-install this box with an LVM group on it, encapsulating the two physical disks |
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| 11:27.22 | abrotman | Sounds like sometihng to talk about with your boss |
| 11:27.27 | Ticho | wait, doesn't ZFS supplement LVM2 ? |
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| 11:27.37 | Ticho | with its zpools? |
| 11:27.57 | abrotman | probably reading more about zfs along the way ? |
| 11:28.04 | abrotman | dselect: zfs |
| 11:28.04 | dselect | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:30.29 | crilly | Thanks for your time on this matter, you've been a lot more helpful than #debian, or just arse around. |
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| 11:30.47 | crilly | ha! the irony. |
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| 11:32.17 | Ticho | :> |
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| 11:33.06 | abrotman | was that sarcasm or the wrong channel? |
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| 11:33.21 | Iridos | comedy |
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| 11:34.04 | crilly | The "wrong" channel, but I guess it doubles as constructive feedback, too ;) |
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| 11:34.51 | SlayerXP | crilly: please send me a copy of your CV. |
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| 11:35.25 | crilly | What? I have a job I'm happy in, but thanks. |
| 11:35.38 | sviluppo | this distro is an old testing, old enough to be on 2.6.15 |
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| 11:35.40 | SlayerXP | you misunderstand, I want to ensure I never hire you by accident |
| 11:35.45 | sviluppo | can I "update" it to squeeze? |
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| 11:35.57 | abrotman | sviluppo: you should go via 'oldstable' first |
| 11:35.59 | Iridos | crilly, it's good though, that you judge a channel by the "dumb-ass response" of a single person on it... that suggests very thorough thinking. Also I think that he would have become a bit more informative after the initial reaction... |
| 11:36.02 | abrotman | if that will even work |
| 11:36.03 | Iridos | but have fun anyway |
| 11:36.13 | crilly | SlayerXP: Michael Thomas Crilly is my name; take note of it. |
| 11:36.20 | SlayerXP | noted, thankyou. |
| 11:36.21 | abrotman | okay .. done now? |
| 11:36.22 | nevyn | finds a postit. |
| 11:36.23 | abrotman | jeez |
| 11:36.40 | sviluppo | abrotman: I'd wipe root fs with a squeeze iso but this isn't my computer |
| 11:36.56 | abrotman | sviluppo: right .. so first 'try' to 'upgrade' to lenny .. then go to squeeze |
| 11:37.07 | abrotman | sviluppo: technically, you're not even up to etch yet :( |
| 11:37.17 | crilly | Iridos: Several people, and the initial reaction wasn't constructive or helpful. I know people aren't paid to be in here helping, but insulting people in a crude manner when they ask a question is hardily helpful. I'm sure after the initial insult he would ha... oh wait no, he didn't. |
| 11:37.23 | sviluppo | abrotman: upgrade to lenny would mean using a lenny repo in sources.list, right? |
| 11:37.23 | nevyn | serious question what package provides/changes/manages alsa configuration these days |
| 11:37.28 | abrotman | sviluppo: yes |
| 11:37.38 | sviluppo | I only have one deb line in source.list |
| 11:37.43 | abrotman | nevyn: the alsa-base/alsa-tools stuff ? |
| 11:37.46 | abrotman | sviluppo: which is? |
| 11:37.49 | crilly | But yeah. I'll wait for my boss to come in as I don't feel comfortable playing with these file systems. |
| 11:38.09 | crilly | I'm not too sure why he has MD, ZFS and LVM requirements which, as implied, seems insane. |
| 11:38.11 | sviluppo | abrotman: atm squeeze as I've just changed it, previously it was "testing" |
| 11:38.28 | nevyn | abrotman: it's not that stuff. |
| 11:38.29 | sviluppo | but uname says this is 2.6.15 and trying to update to squeeze I got an error with selinux1 as "this kernel is too old" |
| 11:38.33 | abrotman | sviluppo: change it to lenny first .. read the |
| 11:38.40 | abrotman | sviluppo: read the release notes |
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| 11:39.24 | sviluppo | abrotman: are release notes on web? |
| 11:39.38 | abrotman | dselect: lenny release notes |
| 11:39.38 | dselect | Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <lenny errata>, <squeeze release notes>. |
| 11:40.59 | Iridos | crilly, whatever... anyway, time to drop this (for being offtopic) |
| 11:41.01 | sviluppo | abrotman: thanks |
| 11:41.37 | crilly | Iridos: Indeed. I (and the rest of the channel) would appreciate such discussions not being brought up in the future at all. Cheers. |
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| 11:41.49 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:41.56 | sviluppo | abrotman: also, this sistem is returning error messages translated in my locale, is there a package to reconfigure in order to avoid this? |
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| 11:42.13 | abrotman | sviluppo: LANG=C "command" |
| 11:42.16 | sviluppo | english messages are so much easier to search about |
| 11:42.28 | sviluppo | abrotman: so only env, no package to be --reconfigured |
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| 11:42.49 | abrotman | sviluppo: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. but the LANG=C is a godo work around if you can't generate the new locales |
| 11:42.58 | sviluppo | thanks again |
| 11:43.02 | sviluppo | fetching lenny update now |
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| 11:43.08 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 11:44.13 | nevyn | abrotman: in particular I had to write a manual asound.conf off the net to make pulse the default pcm in debian. |
| 11:44.20 | nevyn | this is lame. |
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| 11:45.40 | abrotman | nevyn: oh, i think that's standard in that case |
| 11:46.02 | nevyn | wtf? |
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| 11:46.30 | abrotman | nevyn: i meant that you have to create that file at all .. alsa tries to guess well |
| 11:46.39 | nevyn | alsa guesses dmix. |
| 11:46.42 | nevyn | which is wrong. |
| 11:46.48 | Talon_ | what file does your hostname on the network get configured under? under my router status page, I have "UNKNOWN" instead of say "SqueezeBox" |
| 11:47.05 | abrotman | /etc/hostname |
| 11:47.13 | nevyn | Talon_: /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 11:47.14 | abrotman | Talon_: but it's probably trying to get that via netbios |
| 11:47.35 | nevyn | Talon_: does hostname and $HOSTNAME have the right name? |
| 11:47.52 | sviluppo | abrotman: I will just reinstall from a 6.0 disc, can I bring current users/groups by saving shadow and groups files from /etc? |
| 11:47.59 | Talon_ | i remember its somethin to do with dhcp or somethin like that and ubuntu had a modded thing to use whats in /etc/hostname but i think you gotta do it manually in squeeze, i jsut forget how now |
| 11:48.14 | abrotman | sviluppo: you could try .. but why not do the upgrade? |
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| 11:50.54 | Talon_ | it looks like im lookin for /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 11:51.20 | nevyn | oh send-host-name |
| 11:51.30 | nevyn | it's not the default. |
| 11:52.01 | Talon_ | yea i just manually made it send-host-name debian |
| 11:52.07 | Talon_ | at least that way its not unknown |
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| 11:56.07 | sviluppo | abrotman: even lenny is failing for kernel too old |
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| 11:56.14 | sviluppo | abrotman: should I go with etch? |
| 11:56.21 | nevyn | sviluppo: so upgrade your kernel? |
| 11:56.41 | zerotofu | heys guys, I'm trying to play a game through an SSH tunnel, all i have to do is make the game connect to localhost:9999 but I don't know what server to add to my hosts file, is there anyway I can find out the server the game is trying to connect to in order to redirect the connection? |
| 11:56.41 | abrotman | sviluppo: pastebin the error |
| 11:56.56 | abrotman | dselect: tell sviluppo about etch sources.list |
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| 11:57.02 | zerotofu | something like netstat? |
| 11:57.07 | sviluppo | abrotman: can't, I'm on a different machine |
| 11:57.08 | abrotman | sviluppo: get the system to etch .. then go to lenny, then to squeeze |
| 11:58.10 | SPF | zerotofu: make a trace using tcpdump, tshark, ethereal or wireshark and see if you can find the dns request |
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| 11:58.30 | zerotofu | SPF: Thank you very much! |
| 12:00.15 | Iridos | zerotofu, netstat would show server/port, but depending on the amount of connections you have might be difficult... lsof should show it as an open file on a per-process basis |
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| 12:01.13 | co | you can discuss reactors in ##fukushima |
| 12:01.29 | zerotofu | Iridos: the thing is that the connection is never made since i'm behind a firewall, can I see the dns request with netstat? |
| 12:02.21 | Iridos | no, just existing connections |
| 12:02.38 | sviluppo | abrotman: I'm trying the proper way, added both etch sources.list deb lines and fetching now |
| 12:02.52 | sviluppo | then I'll go etch->lenny and then lenny->squeeze |
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| 12:06.37 | markrian | I'm having some trouble with rdiff-backup. I'm using the following command: |
| 12:06.42 | markrian | rdiff-backup --print-statistics --include '/home/*/Desktop' --exclude '**' / /backup/00/home |
| 12:06.48 | markrian | What I'd expect, is that /backup/00/home would contain every user's Desktop direcory, and NOTHING else, due to the --exclude. But it doesn't, it seems to be pulling everything from /, despite it. |
| 12:06.56 | markrian | If I change the --include to something without globbing, say, /home/markrian/Desktop, then I get the result I expect (though just that one Desktop, not any from other users. |
| 12:07.08 | markrian | Does that seem like a bug? Or am I misunderstanding globbing? |
| 12:07.32 | abrotman | markrian: is it including . and .. ? |
| 12:08.28 | sviluppo | abrotman: here's the issue again "Setting up libselinux1 (2.0.96-1) ..." "FATAL: kernel too old" " |
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| 12:08.50 | sviluppo | abrotman: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/libselinux1.postinst: line 88: 16307 Segmentation fault" |
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| 12:09.10 | abrotman | sviluppo: you have the squeeze libselinux1 on the etch-ish system |
| 12:09.14 | markrian | abrotman, I really hope not... that'd make that kind of globbing completely useless :( Besides, I'd have thought it should still match the /Desktop bit anyway, even if it is going up . and .. |
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| 12:09.22 | abrotman | sviluppo: can you safely "dpkg -P libselinux1" ? |
| 12:10.09 | sviluppo | abrotman: nope, too many packages depend on it |
| 12:10.47 | abrotman | such as? |
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| 12:11.18 | abrotman | sviluppo: you could try to get the kernel package from squeeze, install that .. reboot, finish .. but it might not go so well |
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| 12:11.30 | sviluppo | libdevmapper, rpm, udev, librpm4, cron, libnss-db |
| 12:11.44 | sviluppo | 15 total |
| 12:13.20 | abrotman | sounds like you're going with the kernel upgrade .. |
| 12:13.27 | abrotman | hopefully you get the new udev too |
| 12:13.29 | abrotman | if you can |
| 12:13.49 | markrian | abrotman, and anyone else who might be interested, the solution is this: |
| 12:13.50 | markrian | rdiff-backup --print-statistics --include '**/Desktop' --exclude '**' /home /backup/00/home |
| 12:14.27 | markrian | Basically, change the source dir, and change the globbing to ** rather than *, to allow '/' (i.e., any path) |
| 12:14.59 | ronr | hi, I'm looking for a debian package that would allow me to somehow describe some 3d scene (e.g. xml) and a camera point which would than generate some image (png or something), anyone knows a package I could check out for this? |
| 12:15.24 | markrian | abrotman, I think you were right, it must have been going up .., which seems totally pointless to me... |
| 12:15.30 | markrian | But thanks! |
| 12:16.39 | abrotman | ronr: blender can do 3d scenes .. dunno about the description bit though |
| 12:17.03 | sviluppo | abrotman: unless you have some other clue I'm going with a reinstall, I can't figure how to upgrade the kernel when apt is stuck trying to reconfigure libselinux1 |
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| 12:17.06 | ronr | abrotman: I'll check it out thx |
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| 12:18.24 | abrotman | sviluppo: you would have to make dpkg think it doesn't want to install libselinux1 .. |
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| 12:19.22 | sviluppo | abrotman: how can it be done? |
| 12:19.53 | abrotman | sviluppo: the other method would be to make libselinux1 not care about your kernel .. which is easier |
| 12:20.06 | abrotman | possibly bad in the long run |
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| 12:21.39 | sviluppo | abrotman: I'd got with easier, any further hint? |
| 12:21.46 | sviluppo | I don't even know what selinux is |
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| 12:22.21 | abrotman | sviluppo: you would edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/libselinux1.postinst and put an 'exit 0' on the second line of the file |
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| 12:23.06 | Frenk | Hey, I have debian 6.0 server. I want to relay people who are accessing my domain.com on port: 80 to relay to another ip. is that possible? |
| 12:23.27 | abrotman | Frenk: yes, iptables, ask #netfilter |
| 12:23.30 | sviluppo | abrotman: that's wise |
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| 12:26.17 | sviluppo | abrotman: libmozjs0d is giving problem with kernel too |
| 12:26.28 | sviluppo | abrotman: any hope to upgrade kernel image before everything else? |
| 12:26.58 | abrotman | sviluppo: the problem is you'd have to be running that kernel .. so you would have to get the kernel installed, reboot, and pray it comes up .. |
| 12:27.10 | sviluppo | abrotman: no problem with that |
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| 12:27.12 | sviluppo | I mean praying |
| 12:27.17 | vallhalla | hello all |
| 12:27.23 | sviluppo | I've just burned squeeze disc 1 |
| 12:28.47 | sviluppo | abrotman: I'm in text mode and can't even see the whole name of a package when I search it with aptitude search |
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| 12:29.02 | abrotman | for the kernel? |
| 12:29.03 | sviluppo | abrotman: I see there's linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-<something> |
| 12:29.06 | sviluppo | yes |
| 12:29.13 | abrotman | sviluppo: COLUMNS=200 "command" |
| 12:29.28 | sviluppo | is there a shorthand to upgrade the kernel? |
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| 12:30.07 | jelly | sviluppo: basically you install linux-image-<something> (that <something> bit is important ;-) |
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| 12:31.06 | sviluppo | jelly: checking with dpkg -l I have linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 12:31.15 | sviluppo | what's etchnhalf? |
| 12:31.37 | jelly | an interim kernel release for debian 4.0 |
| 12:32.06 | jelly | (etch) |
| 12:32.48 | sviluppo | COLUMNS doesn't affect 'aptitude search' output |
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| 12:33.03 | jelly | sviluppo: what is the version of libc6 you currently have installed? |
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| 12:33.37 | jelly | sviluppo: pastebin the output of, say, dpkg -l base-files libc6 apt aptitude |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | sviluppo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "linux-image*" |
| 12:34.05 | sviluppo | jelly: I cna't pastebin |
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| 12:34.11 | sviluppo | can't* |
| 12:34.30 | sviluppo | abrotman: that's where I got the 2.6.5-1-486 I typed upward |
| 12:34.35 | sviluppo | 2.6.15* |
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| 12:35.42 | sviluppo | I can't read etchnhalf's name so I'm going with 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 12:35.48 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 12:36.34 | sviluppo | can't install 2.6.18 either |
| 12:36.38 | sviluppo | thanks, I'm gonna wipe |
| 12:36.57 | sviluppo | too much time spent, this is an old lab machine |
| 12:37.08 | sviluppo | as long as I keep users' home I should be fine |
| 12:38.03 | abrotman | sviluppo: is /home/ on a separate partition ? |
| 12:40.34 | sviluppo | abrotman: yes, it is |
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| 12:40.57 | abrotman | sviluppo: reinstall time! |
| 12:41.12 | Guest95496 | how to suspend a machine to ram from the command line over ssh? |
| 12:41.28 | sviluppo | abrotman: this BIOS only lists floppy and HD drive |
| 12:41.33 | sviluppo | this must be hell |
| 12:41.40 | sviluppo | can I start the iso from grub prompt? |
| 12:41.49 | niklaswe | Can i with some RewriteRule do like this.. if i have a link some i must be auth to see, and havn't login yet point it to the login site and after that redirect me to the right site? |
| 12:42.21 | abrotman | sviluppo: how old is that PC? |
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| 12:43.37 | abrotman | Guest95496: i don't know it offhand, but there is a place to echo in /proc/ |
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| 12:43.43 | abrotman | s2ram command might be useful too ? |
| 12:43.44 | sviluppo | I'd say 2006 |
| 12:43.44 | plm | hi all |
| 12:43.46 | sviluppo | or so |
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| 12:44.03 | sviluppo | how can I see list of optical drive? |
| 12:44.05 | plm | people, what is command for select services to start or not? like as rcconf |
| 12:44.10 | abrotman | sviluppo: it should show up in the BIOS |
| 12:44.19 | abrotman | plm: rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 12:44.42 | sviluppo | abrotman: nope, there are two DVD drive but they aren't shown in BIOS setup |
| 12:44.52 | sviluppo | I don't think they are SATA as the pc is quite old |
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| 12:46.01 | Guest95496 | hmm a long google and lots of ways but pm-suspend seems new and works. |
| 12:46.30 | abrotman | sviluppo: did you just uh .. try it ? |
| 12:46.42 | abrotman | sviluppo: also, there is debootstrap if you're willing to try that |
| 12:47.11 | AthomIk | if i have multi core, i can send program to a specific core ? |
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| 12:47.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:48.08 | AthomIk | nice :D |
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| 12:48.22 | sviluppo | abrotman: how would I try the disc? they aren't shown in BIOS setup and therefore can't be put in BIOS boot sequence |
| 12:48.37 | abrotman | sviluppo: perhaps it's not on that mobo controller |
| 12:48.47 | AthomIk | abrotman: yes can you explain ? |
| 12:49.07 | abrotman | AthomIk: schedtool package .. read the docs |
| 12:49.28 | AthomIk | abrotman: tkx |
| 12:50.06 | abrotman | AthomIk: libcpuset1 also |
| 12:50.12 | abrotman | but that's a C library |
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| 13:02.53 | AthomIk | abrotman: yes schedtool is good |
| 13:03.06 | AthomIk | for simple user |
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| 13:07.48 | joeytwiddle | i am trying to boot a fresh stable install with lilo, but getting the following error: "mounting /dev/root on /root failed: no such file or directory" |
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| 13:10.10 | joeytwiddle | should i try append="devfs=mount" ? |
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| 13:11.44 | joeytwiddle | it's a rather odd error, because from the shell i saw that both the device and the mountpoint directory do exist |
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| 13:16.55 | abrotman | joeytwiddle: why are you using lilo ? |
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| 13:18.56 | joeytwiddle | well i don't have the bios password for this PC. if i install grub and it doesn't work perfectly first time, then i'll be left with a brick |
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| 13:20.55 | joeytwiddle | right now, lilo is letting me boot into gentoo where i can try to fix things. i can read lilo's output so i can be confident that will work :) |
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| 13:21.09 | superlinux | hi. in xfce4 how external usb drives are accessed? is there something that would make them show up in a pop up window? |
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| 13:21.47 | flo|linux | superlinux, i know that this is possible |
| 13:21.55 | flo|linux | superlinux, i do not, however, know how. |
| 13:22.11 | superlinux | i'll check online |
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| 13:22.38 | flo|linux | superlinux, under xfce-settings -> removable media, in the first tab, there are several options |
| 13:22.47 | superlinux | flo|linux, the file manager is already there before me |
| 13:22.48 | joeytwiddle | god this weekend has been a disaster. i was really hoping to do some word today |
| 13:23.17 | flo|linux | one of them says "automatically open removable media". i have it activated, but it doesn't work for me. but i'm sure i once had this behaviour (quite annoying, however) |
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| 13:24.07 | abrotman | joeytwiddle: grub installs to the MBR .. not the bios |
| 13:24.37 | sviluppo | abrotman: fetching from a nearby mirror |
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| 13:24.52 | sviluppo | abrotman: the BIOS issue was a SATA-ATA bridge setup thing |
| 13:24.56 | sviluppo | thanks |
| 13:25.00 | sviluppo | bye |
| 13:25.00 | abrotman | icky .. okay |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | have fun! |
| 13:25.29 | joeytwiddle | i know abrotman. but if it doesn't work i will not be able to use a recovery CD |
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| 13:26.10 | t0th | hi |
| 13:26.32 | hexguy123 | does anyone know how to redirect outgoing traffic? |
| 13:26.42 | joltcan | hexguy123: redirect what to where? |
| 13:26.43 | t0th | how i can add sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches on cronjob? |
| 13:27.15 | hexguy123 | joltcan: say a program that wants to connect to a certain server and i want to redirect it to localhost:someport |
| 13:27.49 | joltcan | hexguy123: are you talking about your local computer, or some gateway/nat machine? |
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| 13:28.10 | hexguy123 | joltcan: my local computer, sorry for not specifying |
| 13:28.14 | TheOne1 | hexguy123: you can certainly redirect traffic like that via iptables |
| 13:28.35 | hexguy123 | TheOne1: iptables, got it ^^ thank you |
| 13:29.08 | TheOne1 | np |
| 13:29.48 | joltcan | hexguy123: iptables and REDIRECT are something to search for |
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| 13:30.51 | hexguy123 | joltcan: yeah i will, probably wil do it tomorrow since i dont think ill get it done today, the parameters and options of the iptables command look very scary hehe |
| 13:31.09 | TheOne1 | it isn't so bad |
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| 13:31.39 | TheOne1 | that is probably only one line in iptables |
| 13:31.58 | TheOne1 | or just a few lines |
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| 13:32.42 | joltcan | hexguy123: you can get started with something like iptables -t nat -I OUTPUT --src 0/0 --dst 192.168.1.5 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8123 |
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| 13:33.06 | joltcan | hexguy123: just make sure that if you try with different combinations of options, don't forget to remove the old |
| 13:33.20 | joltcan | hexguy123: like the above but -D or delete |
| 13:33.23 | hexguy123 | joltcan: thank you, will do that |
| 13:33.25 | joltcan | s/or/for |
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| 13:33.43 | hexguy123 | joltcan: found something like: "iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING --src $SRC_IP_MASK --dst $DST_IP -p tcp --dport $portNumber -j REDIRECT --to-ports $rediectPort" will probably use it |
| 13:34.01 | hexguy123 | thank you all, going to bed! have a good one |
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| 13:39.42 | sviluppo | hello |
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| 13:40.26 | sviluppo | I've just completed squeeze installation and on reboot the windows entry is not in grub list even if when installer show me the list of detected systems it was there |
| 13:40.44 | sviluppo | can I re-run the install grub related to grub? |
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| 13:40.54 | blip2 | sviluppo: yes |
| 13:41.06 | blip2 | its a grub-something command |
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| 13:41.20 | blip2 | grub-setup/install |
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| 13:42.12 | Leoneof | hello Debian folks |
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| 13:45.33 | greedo | I looked at fdupes |
| 13:45.56 | rudi_s | greedo: Depends on your MUA, mutt can do it. |
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| 13:54.30 | pelandrit | hello folks, i have some troubles with rsync, i try to make a backup of my system so I run the following command: rsync -avzb --include-from="origin" --exclude="*/" --exclude="*" / ~/backup |
| 13:54.53 | pelandrit | the origin file contains routes to dirs like this /usr/*** in different lines |
| 13:55.01 | saturne | i've a problem with lighttpd in my cgi script in C; i see this problem is the same on a php script if php is in cgi. i need to get one header (or all headers) who client sent to the script (headers are in debug log of light, but are not in getenv params). Have you an idea how to get headers from client to serveur. (i need line Range to resume a download) |
| 13:55.26 | pelandrit | but when i run it nothing happens, what's wrong in the command? |
| 13:56.15 | Iridos | pelandrit, you have exclude "*" at the end... I would think excludes/includes are cumulative in a way that later instructions modify earlier ones |
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| 13:57.58 | pelandrit | Iridos: but if i don't use this then the rsync copy some files in / , i don't want that |
| 13:58.00 | Iridos | (and it's hard to imagine how else conflicting rules as you have them should be accompanied for) |
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| 13:59.46 | Iridos | hm, actually says it's the other way around |
| 13:59.51 | pelandrit | Iridos: in fact if i don't use --exclude="*/" the only thing that is copied is some files inside / |
| 14:00.03 | Iridos | pelandrit, did you read the section "FILTER RULES" in "man rsync"? |
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| 14:01.26 | pelandrit | Iridos: yes, i've been 5 days reading before asking here, i've read teh man dozens of times, read dozens of webs giving examples but none of the examples is exactly what i want |
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| 14:02.18 | Iridos | so what happens when you swap your line around? |
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| 14:02.57 | pelandrit | sorry what means "swap your line around"? |
| 14:03.16 | Iridos | like ... rsync -avzb --exclude="*" --include-from="origin" / ~/backup |
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| 14:05.13 | pelandrit | Iridos: don't copy anything at all, and this other command rsync -avzb --exclude="*/" --include-from="origin" / ~/backup only copy files inside / |
| 14:05.53 | Iridos | well, everything is "inside /" somehow... (but I think I understand what you mean) |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | does it know what ~ is ? |
| 14:06.18 | Iridos | I dunno... would say something wrong with your "origin" file... |
| 14:06.25 | pelandrit | i mean files directly inside / |
| 14:06.44 | Iridos | abrotman, that should be expanded by bash |
| 14:06.51 | abrotman | on which side? |
| 14:07.01 | abrotman | is it over ssh? |
| 14:07.29 | Iridos | doesn't look like |
| 14:07.32 | Iridos | lemme try myself |
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| 14:08.02 | Iridos | errr |
| 14:08.14 | Iridos | pelandrit, you're missing -r in your list of options? |
| 14:08.27 | pelandrit | Iridos: i tried to make it with the option --include"/directory/" --include"/anotherdirectory/" with the same results |
| 14:08.32 | Iridos | or is that included in one of the other ones? |
| 14:08.46 | pelandrit | Iridos: -r is included inside -a |
| 14:08.55 | Iridos | right... just found that, too |
| 14:09.25 | flo|linux | hi |
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| 14:09.39 | flo|linux | how can i find out which version of a package is currently installed, in a shell script? |
| 14:09.43 | pelandrit | but i tried too with -arvzb options (just in case) with the same results |
| 14:09.48 | hamid_rostami | robokop: Bushmills : Thank you friends, excuse me, I wasn't here |
| 14:09.49 | flo|linux | is apt-cache show packagename | grep Version a good idea? |
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| 14:10.28 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: 'dpkg -l packagename' ? |
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| 14:10.58 | flo|linux | TheOne1, this is even more to grep... |
| 14:11.13 | Iridos | pelandrit, I guess your file origin gives full paths? |
| 14:12.01 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: grep shouldn't be involved |
| 14:12.13 | pelandrit | Iridos: yes, i tried with paths like this /usr/*** or like this /usr/ with the same results |
| 14:12.33 | flo|linux | TheOne1, well, dpkg -l package shows me stuff like this: ii packagename version description |
| 14:12.35 | Iridos | three stars? |
| 14:12.38 | flo|linux | and a lot of table headers etc |
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| 14:12.49 | flo|linux | and it shows me all available versions of a pkg, not the installed one |
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| 14:13.13 | TheOne1 | sorry, I do this so routinely I don't think about it |
| 14:13.27 | TheOne1 | 'dpkg -l packagename | grep ii' |
| 14:13.30 | justin_ | flo|linux: no, that is not what it does at all |
| 14:13.33 | pelandrit | i read about the *** here http://askubuntu.com/questions/13359/using-rsync-with-exclude-include |
| 14:13.52 | flo|linux | justin_, what does it then? |
| 14:14.02 | pelandrit | Iridos: and here http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2161/rsync-filter-copying-one-pattern-only/2503#2503 |
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| 14:15.02 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: certainly less work to grep through than other ways |
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| 14:15.17 | justin_ | !wayttd flo|linux |
| 14:15.23 | flo|linux | apt-cache show does a similar thing, i find it easier to grep |
| 14:15.31 | justin_ | where did dpkg go? :( |
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| 14:15.35 | flo|linux | justin_, away |
| 14:15.45 | justin_ | that's not very nice of it |
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| 14:15.54 | flo|linux | **dpkg has quit (Quit: buh bye!) |
| 14:15.56 | jelly | dselect: test |
| 14:15.57 | dselect | Test failed. |
| 14:15.58 | pelandrit | Iridos: but as i said if i use --include"/directory/" --include"/anotherdirectory/" instead of --include-from="origin" i get the same results, nothing |
| 14:16.06 | flo|linux | justin_, so what did you want to tell me? |
| 14:16.18 | justin_ | flo|linux: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:16.31 | greyhatsalafi | what's the easiest way for me to upgrade vlc from 1.1.3 on the squeeze repo to 1.1.7 |
| 14:16.31 | flo|linux | i want to know which version of a package i have installed |
| 14:16.32 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: that is the whole point of 'dpkg -l' |
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| 14:16.44 | flo|linux | a way which is easy usable in a script |
| 14:16.55 | Iridos | pelandrit, "in recent versions, directory/*** will do this" |
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| 14:17.20 | justin_ | flo|linux: dpkg -l package or apt-cache policy pkg | grep Installed |
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| 14:17.53 | justin_ | pelandrit: if you get nothing, it is because you are telling it to ignore everything |
| 14:17.57 | pelandrit | Iridos: yes yes, i tried --include"/directory/***" --include"/anotherdirectory/***" too |
| 14:18.14 | Iridos | pelandrit, and that works as expected? |
| 14:18.30 | DammitJim | can someone help me with this error? http://pastebin.com/HTwJTCMF |
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| 14:18.34 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: I'm not sure there is anything simpler than 'dpkg -l | grep ii' apt-cache policy is more work to grep IMO |
| 14:18.46 | pelandrit | Iridos: of course not |
| 14:18.46 | DammitJim | I'm trying to install e17 from the easy_e17.sh script |
| 14:18.51 | justin_ | TheOne1: they are about the same |
| 14:18.56 | flo|linux | apt-cache show package | grep Version is quite easy |
| 14:18.56 | Iridos | well... |
| 14:19.12 | Iridos | hm, still, even lenny manpage says "use '**' to match anything, including slashes." |
| 14:19.28 | justin_ | flo|linux: that is not the correct command to use to find out the version of a package you have installed |
| 14:19.37 | flo|linux | justin_, why not? |
| 14:19.42 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: that won't necessarily get you the installed version |
| 14:19.51 | pelandrit | justin_: perhaps you are right but, how can i make a command to rsync only some directoryes inside / ? |
| 14:19.56 | justin_ | because apt-cache show has absolutely nothing to do with installed packages |
| 14:19.56 | flo|linux | TheOne1, what will it get me then? |
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| 14:20.01 | justin_ | pelandrit: absolutely. |
| 14:20.18 | justin_ | pelandrit: include what you want, exclude everything else. |
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| 14:20.24 | Iridos | pelandrit, and it's --include=something (you''re missing the "=" in your latest examples... probably a typo here in the chat, though) |
| 14:20.25 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: versions available for install |
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| 14:20.48 | anddam | hello |
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| 14:21.07 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: if you have more than one dist in your sources.list, you will get more than one Version back |
| 14:21.07 | anddam | can I batch-add a few users by pasting lines into passwd and shadow? |
| 14:21.36 | TheOne1 | flo|linux: and in any event, it won't necessarily tell you if something is installed |
| 14:22.05 | justin_ | DammitJim: do you have pkg-config installed? |
| 14:22.12 | greyhatsalafi | what's the easiest way for me to upgrade vlc from 1.1.3 on the squeeze repo to 1.1.7 |
| 14:22.29 | DammitJim | justin_, honestly, I don't know... I just landed on a page that was talking about that package... I'm going to try it. thank you! |
| 14:22.47 | anddam | greyhatsalafi: I'd say a backport |
| 14:22.54 | greyhatsalafi | ok |
| 14:23.34 | DammitJim | justin_, silly question... out of that pastebin, how did you know that I was missing that specific package? |
| 14:24.17 | TheOne1 | greyhatsalafi: yeah, looks like you would need to backport it from wheezy |
| 14:24.25 | justin_ | DammitJim: PKG stuff is pkg-config |
| 14:24.32 | DammitJim | great, thanks! |
| 14:24.43 | DammitJim | ok, that worked... now I have a problem with AC_PROG_LIBTOOL... searching |
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| 14:25.07 | TheOne1 | greyhatsalafi: that may be a bit of work, since it has a lot of depends |
| 14:25.15 | greyhatsalafi | yeah |
| 14:25.19 | greyhatsalafi | it looks like a pain |
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| 14:26.32 | DammitJim | is there another package I'm missing from this error? http://pastebin.com/d8ytMyZx |
| 14:26.34 | anddam | abrotman: still there? |
| 14:26.47 | abrotman | greyhatsalafi: did you check debian-multimedia.org to see if they have a newer one? |
| 14:26.48 | abrotman | anddam: ? |
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| 14:26.52 | anddam | anddam: I was the one updating the old debian |
| 14:26.59 | anddam | abrotman: * |
| 14:27.04 | justin_ | DammitJim: install build-essential? |
| 14:27.11 | greyhatsalafi | no i didn't abrotman |
| 14:27.11 | abrotman | anddam: ah okay .. did you get it working ? |
| 14:27.20 | anddam | sure, a shiny squeeze |
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| 14:27.39 | DammitJim | thanks! |
| 14:27.45 | abrotman | doesn't look like they have it |
| 14:27.46 | anddam | abrotman: I'm wondering if I should go through adduser for old users or if I can just add the relevant lines in passwd and shadow |
| 14:28.01 | abrotman | anddam: you don't have to if you want to do it manually ... |
| 14:28.05 | DammitJim | justin_, is that because all libtools come in there? |
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| 14:28.35 | anddam | abrotman: no, the point is I'd like to _not_ do it manually, and by manually I mean going through adduser |
| 14:28.49 | pelandrit | Iridos: well, it was only examples, if i try to run the command without the "=" returns an error, in truth i tried exactly that command: sudo rsync -avzb --include="/usr/local/***" --include="/boot/grub/***" --exclude="*" / ~/backup |
| 14:28.52 | greyhatsalafi | abrotman it doesn't look like it's available there...but it should be available from getdeb.net but it's down as usual |
| 14:29.14 | pelandrit | Iridos: and then rsync does absolutely nothing |
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| 14:30.00 | justin_ | pelandrit: --include="*/" first |
| 14:30.05 | anddam | also I'm going to install Android SDK, is /usr/local fine for debian? |
| 14:30.20 | anddam | I see nowadays many third party software suggests /opt |
| 14:30.30 | anddam | suggest* |
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| 14:31.16 | ethanol | well I don't think there is a standard for that. :< |
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| 14:31.34 | pelandrit | justin_: if i try this the rsync starts to copy EVERYTHING inside / |
| 14:32.23 | Iridos | pelandrit, hm, works fine for me with a plain --include=something, but fails for patterns in --include-from=file |
| 14:32.30 | DammitJim | I hope this stops soon... this doesn't seem to be a package problem. Do I have something configured wrong in my PATH? http://pastebin.com/8TEtqbBE |
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| 14:32.55 | Iridos | well, I didn't try the multi-star stuff for that, though |
| 14:33.17 | DammitJim | I'm just going to install doxygen |
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| 14:34.45 | Iridos | pelandrit, funny... rsync -av --include='/tmp/test/test2/***' --exclude='*' /tmp/test/ ~/backup does not work, while rsync -av --include='***/test2/***' --exclude='*' /tmp/test/ ~/backup does |
| 14:35.50 | Iridos | pelandrit, oh, that's because I don't start from / - I have to start my "absolute" paths relative to the starting point of rsync, not relative to root (well, that is the same in your case) |
| 14:36.09 | Iridos | pelandrit, but rsync -av --include='/test2/***' --exclude='*' /tmp/test/ ~/backup also works as expected for me |
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| 14:37.22 | Iridos | pelandrit, and the pattern also work in a file if I don't start with / |
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| 14:37.43 | pelandrit | Iridos: but i want to backup a lot of dirs inside /, which must be my "starting point of rsync" |
| 14:38.22 | pelandrit | ? |
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| 14:38.45 | Iridos | pelandrit, well, but you understand why I don't want to test rsync behavior starting from my / |
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| 14:39.51 | Iridos | ah, manpage actually says / matches "root of the transfer" |
| 14:39.59 | Iridos | but that didn't work in a file for me |
| 14:40.22 | Iridos | oh, now does |
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| 14:40.46 | pelandrit | the more i read the less i understand :( |
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| 14:40.55 | Iridos | pelandrit, works perfectly for me now |
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| 14:41.13 | Iridos | (first time I use those patterns on rsync, so had to read up a bit, too) |
| 14:41.15 | pelandrit | Iridos: give me an example, please |
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| 14:43.29 | Iridos | interesting |
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| 14:46.11 | swombat | how can I skip a forced fsck upon reboot? Ctrl-C gives me the option to Ctrl-D, which reboots and then does the fsck again from the start. This is a production web server that I need to reboot right now because people are using it |
| 14:46.35 | anddam | swombat: what fs? |
| 14:46.56 | swombat | ext3 |
| 14:47.01 | anddam | swombat: for ext there's a limit treshold, you can disable it |
| 14:47.15 | swombat | how? |
| 14:47.42 | blip2 | configs |
| 14:47.48 | anddam | tune2fs -i 0 /dev/hdxx |
| 14:47.49 | swombat | but i can't log in to the box |
| 14:47.50 | Iridos | pelandrit, http://nwu.dyndns.org/~k/example.tgz |
| 14:47.53 | blip2 | you will probably be faster to wait it out |
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| 14:48.05 | swombat | it's only 5% in after about 3 minutes... |
| 14:48.12 | Miesco_ | I just installed debian. I type make and it says I dont have 'cc'? |
| 14:48.15 | blip2 | yeh it jumps about usually |
| 14:48.18 | Miesco_ | I have gcc |
| 14:48.26 | blip2 | how big is the drive? |
| 14:48.31 | swombat | that's... really really painfully slow for the production web server...! I'm getting a good adrenalin rush here. |
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| 14:48.36 | swombat | blip2: about a terabyte |
| 14:49.09 | blip2 | heh yeh that might be in tens of minutes |
| 14:49.13 | Iridos | pelandrit, that _does_ put test2 directly into ~/backup, though... and it stops working when you remove the trailing '/' from /tmp/test/ (in which case it was supposed to put 'test' into ~/backup... so adding /test/ at the beginning of the pattern should make it work, but didn'T) |
| 14:49.14 | Miesco_ | ah maybe I dont have gcc |
| 14:49.16 | Miesco_ | getting |
| 14:49.18 | swombat | yikes. |
| 14:49.34 | blip2 | I wouldn't suggest stopping it while its running |
| 14:49.50 | swombat | i guess i'll just have to bite it and apologise to our users for the unexpected downtime |
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| 14:52.54 | Iridos | pelandrit, hm, I see what you mean... starting from / fails... |
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| 14:54.13 | pelandrit | Iridos: YES, and this is exactly what i need if i want to backup a lot of dirs inside /, like /var /bin /usr /lib, and so on |
| 14:54.52 | fraff | hi all, what is the debian way to run "ip rule add iif eth0 ....." and "ip route add ..." at startup ? |
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| 14:55.41 | Iridos | pelandrit, not SUCH a lot... I think commonly you'd say stuff like "rsync /var /bin /usr /lib ~/backup" .. .but interesting that this doesn't work on those cases |
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| 14:56.08 | cybor0 | fraff /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:56.18 | fraff | in "up" section ? |
| 14:56.18 | ttiicc | I would like to start a java developing project and though of debian as the OS cause that's what our live server is running! but wonder how debian is considering an OS for developing in? |
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| 14:56.52 | ttiicc | heard that alot of developers use Fedora is it true? |
| 14:56.53 | Miesco_ | What package do I install to get X? |
| 14:57.05 | sidh | I do some pinning with target and priority, is it possible before doing a apt-get upgrade to see from which target does the upgrade concerned pkg come from ? |
| 14:57.09 | daniel__ | Miesco: xserver-xorg |
| 14:57.25 | sidh | because apt-cache policy for each pkg is quite boring |
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| 14:58.13 | Miesco_ | thanks |
| 14:58.15 | Iridos | pelandrit, and seems quite random... rsync -av --include='/test/***' --exclude='*' / ~/backup copies files, while rsync -av --include='/test/test2/***' --exclude='*' / ~/backup does not |
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| 14:59.38 | pelandrit | Iridos: sure? i think that syntax "rsync /var /bin /usr /lib ~/backup" is wrong, i mean, the first dir is origin and the second one destiny, everything after makes a syntax error |
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| 15:00.28 | Iridos | pelandrit, rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [USER@]HOST:DEST (the ... in SRC... is supposed to mean multiple src options) |
| 15:01.06 | Iridos | pelandrit, there can of course only be one single destination (it's similar to cp) |
| 15:01.06 | fraff | Iridos: you have to include "/test/" then "/test/test2" then "/test/test2/***" I think |
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| 15:01.25 | Iridos | fraff, oh, you're right... that was the bit I still overlooked |
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| 15:01.44 | justin_ | that's why you can include */ |
| 15:02.11 | fraff | Iridos: and I think you should use --filter wich is much more powerfull |
| 15:02.46 | pelandrit | well, i'll try another strategy, --exclude-from |
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| 15:02.58 | fraff | justin_: */ include all directories and subdirectories ? |
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| 15:03.21 | sidh | before accepting an upgrade of a pkg with apt-get upgrade, is it possible to know from which target (stable/testing/unstable/experimental) does the upgrade pkg comes from ? |
| 15:03.39 | Iridos | pelandrit, compose your problem in a single pastebin including the command, origin file and perhaps listing of relevant parts of / |
| 15:04.31 | Iridos | pelandrit, hmm, and actually - you probably will want to have a look at the rsnapshot which is specifically made for backups and will let you do incremental backups, substituting unchanged files with hard-links |
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| 15:05.12 | Iridos | (and you circumvert the whole problem of rsync syntax as rsnapshot uses it for you and you just specify what should be backuped in a config file...) |
| 15:05.13 | sidh | for the moment i answer a first time no to apt-get upgrade and add the list of pkg that will be upgraded to apt-cache policy, but this not very great to read |
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| 15:05.37 | marsje | Guys, I'm playing with wordpress right now, and I noticed there is a /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content which contains themes, plugins and other stuff. Wouldn't it be more logical if this was in /var/wordpress or something? |
| 15:06.08 | marsje | I don't backup /usr since I thought it would not contain more than I could find on a debian cd |
| 15:06.29 | Iridos | fraff, I saw that in the manpage... you can use --include '*/' --prune-empty-dirs (of course for / that means everything has to be traversed) |
| 15:06.37 | sidh | marsje: it is pure php app, do what you want with it according you adapt your conf file imho |
| 15:07.10 | sidh | never understood the benefits of packaging php-apps |
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| 15:07.43 | themill | sidh: packaging them usually turns them into something a lot more useful than the default bundle of joy that comes from the upstream developers. |
| 15:07.48 | marsje | I thought the debian package would be the debianized version, but it's more or less the same as the original |
| 15:08.05 | fraff | Iridos: long time since I last read the man ... thank you |
| 15:08.17 | marsje | anyway, I feel better installing a deb than some random tar.gz |
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| 15:08.38 | jelly | a deb from an unknown party may be worse than a tarball |
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| 15:09.03 | marsje | jelly: ok, I mean from a debian repository.. |
| 15:09.23 | pipeline | sidh: automated patching |
| 15:09.39 | daemonkeeper | .. upgrading, maintenance |
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| 15:09.46 | sidh | ok now I see there are people who likes that kind of packages, so it's more clear now |
| 15:09.58 | marsje | sidh: of course I can do what I want with it, but moving files around to different locations that came from a deb is usually not smart, I guess |
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| 15:10.43 | themill | sidh: backported security support is often a big advantage too. Having to upgrade to $latest release from usptream, reconfiguring, unbreaking etc isn't fun. |
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| 15:11.30 | Iridos | fraff, I was abusing his question and kind of interesting problem to read a bit more on the stuff for the first time :) |
| 15:11.44 | marsje | I feel uncomfortable in general with php apps... having conf files in /usr/share/local and doucment roots pointing to there as well |
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| 15:12.29 | marsje | there is no clear separation between code, content, configuration |
| 15:12.34 | sidh | themill: do you mean debian maintainers of php apps pkg , commit security update upstreams too ? |
| 15:12.35 | marsje | blah |
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| 15:13.11 | themill | sidh: I'm not sure what you're asking. |
| 15:14.25 | daemonkeeper | sidh: Debian maintainers are generally encouraged to commit security flaws they discover to upstream. However for backported security fixes this might not be needed in most cases, since upstream will simply recommend upgrading to more recent versions. |
| 15:15.08 | themill | sidh: in answer to your upgrade question though, "aptitude -v -s -y safe-upgrade" will provide the output you want. |
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| 15:15.19 | sidh | i meant (sorry for my english) , a mantis debian maintainer retrive, say mantis v.3, while packaging it , he founds some security threat, and fix them in its pkg, so dies he give the patch upstream too ? |
| 15:15.30 | sidh | daemonkeeper: yes that what i was asking |
| 15:15.36 | themill | sidh: of course |
| 15:15.40 | sidh | thanks for your answer |
| 15:15.52 | sidh | ok |
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| 15:16.17 | ttiicc | any one with an answe for the question which I asked exactly 20 minutes ago? |
| 15:16.22 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
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| 15:17.12 | Iridos | pelandrit, for your rsync line... --exclude="*/" will exclude all directories, which is the reason that nothing but things directly under / will be copied |
| 15:17.15 | anddam | hello |
| 15:18.01 | anddam | can I add a manual entry to gnome menu and have it kept when update-menus is run? |
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| 15:18.36 | anddam | namely this is android VM GUI, it's from CLI but I'd like to put it in Applications -> Programming |
| 15:18.39 | themill | ttiicc: there's no reason to develop java on debian or not to develop java on debian. (the eclipse package might not be in particularly good shape, however, no idea) |
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| 15:19.05 | pelandrit | Iridos: but i wasn't using that in my last examples, only --exclude="*" |
| 15:19.08 | anddam | themill: seems I missed an interesting topic |
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| 15:19.45 | Miesco_ | How do I configure xserver? dpkg-reconigure xorg? |
| 15:20.02 | anddam | Miesco_ Xorg -configure as root |
| 15:20.07 | Iridos | pelandrit, what was in your origin file? just "/usr/***" (without quotes)? |
| 15:20.13 | anddam | check wiki page for xorg |
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| 15:20.28 | jelly | Miesco_: /msg dselect xorg config squeeze |
| 15:20.49 | pelandrit | Iridos: a lot of dirs like that without quotes |
| 15:20.52 | Ratty101 | I manually removed some /etc/dbconfig-commons/roundcube.conf manually and when I reinstall roundcube it doesn't reinstall that file. Now it complains about it and won't configure at all |
| 15:20.58 | Ratty101 | Does anyone know how to solve it? |
| 15:21.13 | jelly | Ratty101: /msg dselect confmiss |
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| 15:22.13 | ttiicc | themill: wonder if you would know if there would be any difference to develop in debian compared to fedora? Im still gonna download the tar from eclipse.org homepage! |
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| 15:22.19 | Iridos | pelandrit, (I meant without the quotes I used) .. that works fine for me - I have /test/*** in the origin file and run rsync -av --include-from=/tmp/origin --exclude='*' / ~/backup and get everyting under /test copied |
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| 15:22.45 | Iridos | pelandrit, (I moved the test directory tree from the example.tgz I linked to to / to test) |
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| 15:22.57 | AthomIk | i use all my usb ports, i have a keyboard with hub Bus 004 Device 007: ID 413c:1003 Dell Computer Corp. Keyboard Hub but if i connect a usb joystick on, not run, how i can activate this usb hub ? |
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| 15:23.56 | justin_ | AthomIk: does a mouse work in the keyboard usb ports? |
| 15:24.14 | AthomIk | justin_: i test |
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| 15:24.21 | abrotman | ttiicc: surely there is some difference, but if your deployment system is Debian .. that's what i would develop/test on |
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| 15:24.30 | pelandrit | Iridos: just try to make a backup of /test/ and /test2/, if you get it that's enought for me |
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| 15:25.41 | sidh | themill: is there an "apt" equivalent to your command (I'm use to use apt, and by the past it was not advised to use both) ? |
| 15:25.48 | AthomIk | justin_: yes i see light red |
| 15:26.05 | justin_ | so now you have one free usb port on your computer? |
| 15:26.10 | Iridos | pelandrit, you mean an additional /test2/ or the existing /test/test2/ ? |
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| 15:26.54 | AthomIk | justin_: i must modif my xorg.conf because i have assigned my mouse, use multiseat |
| 15:26.58 | pelandrit | Iridos: i mean /test2/ when i write /test2/, not /test/test2 |
| 15:27.32 | Iridos | pelandrit, yes, that works fine... |
| 15:28.01 | ttiicc | thanks abrotman, I'll go with your advice! |
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| 15:28.52 | pelandrit | Iridos: whith wich command exactly you get that? |
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| 15:30.15 | Iridos | pelandrit, same as you... rsync -avzb --include-from=/tmp/origin --exclude='*' / ~/backup ; /tmp/origin contains /test/*** (newline) /testa/*** (newline) directories are /test and /testa and directories/files therein that get copied |
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| 15:30.21 | AthomIk | justin_: ok work for mouse, not for joystick, but this joystick work fine... thx |
| 15:30.25 | Iridos | pelandrit, again, what version of debian is this? |
| 15:30.28 | sidh | themill: i found , this is the same args , just use V instead of -v |
| 15:30.33 | AthomIk | héhé i have a usb port free :D |
| 15:30.51 | pelandrit | Iridos: stable |
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| 15:31.27 | Iridos | pelandrit, squeeze? |
| 15:31.28 | Miesco_ | Whats a package to send input to a pastebin? |
| 15:31.28 | Miesco_ | I don't really have a browser yet |
| 15:31.28 | Miesco_ | setting up X |
| 15:31.28 | Miesco_ | vmware: Please ignore above "FATAL: Module vmwgfx not found." |
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| 15:31.35 | Iridos | boing |
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| 15:32.15 | AthomIk | Miesco: pastebinit :D |
| 15:32.22 | justin_ | Miesco: install xserver-xorg-video-vmware ? |
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| 15:33.12 | Miesco_ | What? |
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| 15:33.19 | pelandrit | Iridos: yes, squeeze, actual stable |
| 15:33.29 | hyper_ch | hello there, I wonder if someone could assist me with a release name / developing status problem. I tried to compile a list of the current situation http://pastebin.com/vGV6NDhZ --> I wonder if that is rigth.... regarding testing/unstable/experimental I'm always confused |
| 15:33.53 | Iridos | pelandrit, same here ... |
| 15:34.17 | Iridos | pelandrit, but I actually also tried with lenny and that also knows the *** syntax and the same examples work |
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| 15:35.11 | Miesco_ | Whats a package that will give me a program to send input to a pastebin? |
| 15:35.13 | AthomIk | Miesco: ok for pastebinit ? |
| 15:35.19 | Miesco_ | k |
| 15:35.37 | AthomIk | yes pastebinit is a great tools for this room |
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| 15:36.24 | crilly | Discovered why we have MD/Ext2 partitions and then a Ext2/ZFS partition at the end of the drive. No crack involved like it was implied erlier, it actually makes sense given Debian limited ZFS support. |
| 15:36.27 | Ratty101 | jelly, Thanks a lot! |
| 15:36.30 | parabola | hello, i am new to debian and i've just installed it and got some questions regarding package installations & drivers. can someone answer a few questions? |
| 15:36.44 | Iridos | only wish the maintainer could be arsed to change the default to the debian pastebin, so sudden interface changes don't render it useless in stable |
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| 15:36.59 | Miesco_ | k |
| 15:37.08 | Miesco_ | http://pastebin.com/GdPLnA5q |
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| 15:38.00 | mns | Anyone know how to get the Debian menu to show up in the XFCE menu ? |
| 15:38.09 | Iridos | parabola, only if you ask them... (no promises, though) |
| 15:38.10 | prizm | I'm having problems with video playback in Debian since I upgraded to 6.0. |
| 15:38.32 | prizm | Specifically, VLC and Xine stall a few seconds into the video. |
| 15:38.56 | parabola | ok, during the installation i've choose to install all the aditional packages & updates because someone told me that if i do i'd have my gfx card & motherboard drivers installed, how i am supposed to check if they're installed or not? |
| 15:38.57 | prizm | VLC pauses quicker, and the video will stop but sound keeps playing. In Xine, sound stops while video keeps playing, and the sound lasts longer. |
| 15:39.22 | prizm | Navigating through the the seek bar resumes it, but then continues stalling. |
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| 15:39.51 | crilly | prizm: Sounds like you need VLXine then - one has the video and the has the sound hehe - have you changed drivers at all (video, sound, etc)? |
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| 15:40.19 | prizm | No |
| 15:40.40 | djura-san | o/ |
| 15:40.42 | prizm | I'm still using the same graphics card, a Rage Pro using Xorg's needed Mach64 driver. |
| 15:40.48 | parabola | Iridos, any idea? |
| 15:40.51 | prizm | Xv works fine, it's not crashing the X server. |
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| 15:41.09 | pelandrit | Iridos: well, that works, now if i want to include only a subdir i can't, for example /test/test3/*** |
| 15:41.54 | Iridos | parabola, I wonder what " all the aditional packages & updates" are supposed to be... but there are no specific drivers you need for the motherboard that are not within the linux kernel. As for video cards... debian tries to very clearly separate free software from non-free software and you might want to install proprietary drivers to get accelerated X... but what you have to do depends on your exact graphics card |
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| 15:42.38 | parabola | but is there a way to check if the drivers are currently installed or not? |
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| 15:42.41 | parabola | just like in win32 |
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| 15:43.25 | Iridos | pelandrit, yes... that is because rsync never reaches /test/test3 if you haven't included /test also. so you can either explicitely include /test as well in a 2nd line (i.e. all directories rsync needs to traverse to get to test3) or add --include='*/' --prune-empty-dirs |
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| 15:44.12 | Iridos | pelandrit, that will traverse _all_ directories (taking up the additional time needed to do so), but only save/copy the ones that you will actually use |
| 15:44.13 | justin_ | parabola: just install firmware-linux |
| 15:44.42 | parabola | justin_ what is firmeware-linux for? |
| 15:44.49 | justin_ | parabola: firmware. for linux. |
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| 15:45.13 | Iridos | parabola, as I said, for your motherboard, don't worry... generally, if you can use hardware, you will have the driver... so no need to check |
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| 15:45.53 | parabola | its an intel dp55wb |
| 15:46.02 | prizm | If it helps, my stalling happened after a lenny->squeeze upgrade that happened properly |
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| 15:46.11 | Iridos | parabola, you might want to check the output of glxinfo|grep 'direct rendering' for graphics card performance |
| 15:46.23 | parabola | Iridos, kk, sec |
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| 15:47.01 | prizm | However, the kernel versions were the same and the firmware I needed for my sound card has not changed, |
| 15:47.05 | parabola | root@localhost:/home/parabola/Downloads# glxinfo|grep 'direct rendering' direct rendering: Yes |
| 15:47.14 | parabola | so it's ok? |
| 15:47.32 | Iridos | prizm, difficult if it doesn't crash... |
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| 15:47.37 | Iridos | parabola, yes |
| 15:47.45 | parabola | thank you Iridos |
| 15:47.53 | Iridos | prizm, did you already go into the hell that is strace? |
| 15:48.13 | prizm | Nop, it doesn't crash |
| 15:48.28 | prizm | I can seek the video and it start playing again but only for a few seconds |
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| 15:48.52 | hyper_ch | hello there, I wonder if someone could assist me with a release name / developing status problem. I tried to compile a list of the current situation http://pastebin.com/vGV6NDhZ --> I wonder if that is rigth.... regarding testing/unstable/experimental I'm always confused |
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| 15:49.03 | prizm | hould I try MPlayer and GStreamer? |
| 15:49.15 | parabola | i know this might sound dumb, but i'm kinda new to the linux scene. how i am supposed to know if i got squeeze, lenny or etch? i've just grabbed a copy of the first livecd from the debian's site which has 630 mb or something and i have no clue of how to check it |
| 15:49.35 | petemc | parabola: the filename should tell you |
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| 15:49.48 | parabola | petemc, what filename |
| 15:49.53 | parabola | oh, the one i've downloaded? |
| 15:49.56 | petemc | yes |
| 15:49.57 | parabola | lemme check |
| 15:50.20 | prizm | parabola, if you have it installed, open up a terminal and type "cat /etc/debian_version" |
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| 15:50.56 | prizm | 7 is wheezy (the new relwease to replace squeeze in two years due) 6 is squeeze, 5 is lenny, and 4 is etch |
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| 15:51.02 | parabola | prizm ill check, its installed on this machine "D |
| 15:51.31 | parabola | prizm it just outputs the version |
| 15:51.33 | parabola | root@localhost:/home/parabola/Downloads# cat /etc/debian_version 6.0 |
| 15:51.40 | karlpinc | !tell parabola about overview |
| 15:51.45 | Iridos | prizm, and actually... sounds like a problem related to a specific movie with some broken encoding |
| 15:51.56 | prizm | No, two different mlvies don't work |
| 15:52.05 | prizm | Both are different: MP4 and FLV. |
| 15:52.15 | karlpinc | parabola: Humm. Bot seems broken. Anyhow, being new to debian you might want to check out http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 15:52.33 | parabola | k, thanks |
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| 15:52.48 | parabola | i'm new to linux in general, not to this distro only :P |
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| 15:53.00 | parabola | thats y i got a shitload of "stupid" questions |
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| 15:54.39 | parabola | prizm, nevermind, i've not read your last sentence about the numbers. sorry |
| 15:54.40 | parabola | got it now |
| 15:54.43 | parabola | =) |
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| 15:57.18 | parabola | i've run apt-get update and it is asking me for the cd/dvd of the distro, but i've installed it from a usb pendrive. what should i do? :P |
| 15:57.34 | karlpinc | parabola: Ah, you didn't do a netinstall. |
| 15:57.53 | karlpinc | parabola: You want to get your software from the net. You configure this in the sources.list file. |
| 15:57.57 | karlpinc | !tell parabola about sources.list |
| 15:58.26 | parabola | could you be more specific? gimme a link or something to guide me |
| 15:58.27 | karlpinc | parabola: Uh. Bot's broken. Type "man sources.list" It will tell you about it and give examples. |
| 15:58.35 | parabola | k |
| 15:58.41 | ttiicc | sourcelist: I know that nonfree means none free license but what exactly does contrib mean? |
| 15:58.43 | parabola | can i abort the operation of apt-get update then? |
| 15:58.46 | themill | %pal karlpinc |
| 15:58.51 | karlpinc | parabola: You can also use synaptic if you're allergic to typing text into config files. |
| 15:59.14 | karlpinc | parabola: Sure. |
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| 15:59.37 | karlpinc | parabola: In general aptitude is recommened over apt-get, although people have their preferences. |
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| 15:59.59 | prizm | apt-get is faster but not exactly very smart about upgrading the system for example |
| 16:00.00 | parabola | it's because i'm following what the playonlinux guide is saying |
| 16:00.10 | parabola | it told me to use apt-get |
| 16:00.44 | karlpinc | parabola: Why are you following instructions from some other distro? |
| 16:00.55 | parabola | i've type man sources.list how can i leave it without exiting terminal? ctrl+c seems to not be working with it |
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| 16:01.07 | prizm | type q |
| 16:01.11 | parabola | karlpinc, it's not for other distro but for Debian |
| 16:01.14 | prizm | man is complicated like that |
| 16:01.15 | karlpinc | parabola: Ctrl-C should work... |
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| 16:01.34 | prizm | karlpinc: welcome to man and less and their awkward q behaviour |
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| 16:01.43 | oskar- | hi, what is the difference between the versions 5.0.2-2.2 and 5.0.2-2.2+b1 of the package bacula-sd in squeeze? and how can i rebuild bacula-sd 5.0.2-2.2+b1? |
| 16:01.53 | parabola | karlpinc http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html |
| 16:01.57 | parabola | take a look at it |
| 16:02.09 | karlpinc | parabola: You could type "man less" to learn how to use the pager, which will let you search and do other good things in man pages and elsewhere. But that's probably for your todo list. |
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| 16:03.21 | karlpinc | parabola: You want to read the install guide at debian.org to install, or the reference manual for useage. |
| 16:03.35 | parabola | k, i will, however ctrl c is still not working lol |
| 16:04.27 | karlpinc | parabola: The rules for a new linux user are: Get all your programs from the people who put out your distro. Get help first from your distro, then from the people upstream who wrote the software, and finally from random strangers on the net. |
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| 16:06.56 | dkr | what if "your distro" == "random strangers on the net"? :p |
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| 16:07.05 | hyper_ch | I wonder if someone could assist me with a release name / developing status problem. I tried to compile a list of the current situation http://pastebin.com/vGV6NDhZ --> I wonder if that is rigth.... regarding testing/unstable/experimental I'm always confused |
| 16:08.36 | dury | thanks dudes |
| 16:08.51 | dury | thanks indeed :) |
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| 16:10.49 | goodger | hyper_ch: that appears to be correct |
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| 16:12.07 | hyper_ch | goodger: thx, that still leaves me with one "problem"... how do the "security, updates and volatile" repos come into play? |
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| 16:12.42 | hyper_ch | as far as I understand, volatile only works on (old) stable while security and updates work on testing and unstable? |
| 16:12.49 | goodger | hyper_ch: as far as I know, they apply only to the stable and oldstable distributions |
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| 16:13.11 | hyper_ch | goodger: see, I seem already to have gone wrong there :) |
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| 16:14.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 16:14.07 | dpkg | Since Mon Mar 14 16:13:15 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 52s this session, and currently reference 39394 factoids. I'm using about 17660 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2.63/0.11 child 0/0 |
| 16:14.35 | prizm | dpkg: are you sentient? |
| 16:14.36 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, prizm |
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| 16:14.54 | prizm | Grumpy IRC robots? Expected! |
| 16:15.41 | hyper_ch | goodger: thx for the help |
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| 16:17.59 | goodger | can anyone help me with a very annoying performance issue? |
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| 16:18.15 | goodger | my system load occasionally goes to 2-3 and stays there. |
| 16:18.24 | ethanol | we could make it more annoying |
| 16:18.30 | ethanol | also, how many cores? |
| 16:18.40 | goodger | just the one |
| 16:18.51 | ethanol | you have a single core machine? |
| 16:18.57 | ethanol | meh, buy something new then. |
| 16:18.57 | goodger | yes |
| 16:19.04 | goodger | ... |
| 16:19.07 | petemc | very useful advice |
| 16:19.10 | ethanol | yes :p |
| 16:19.10 | goodger | this is new |
| 16:19.17 | goodger | or at least it is about nine months old |
| 16:19.19 | petemc | goodger: checked top / iotop when the load is high? |
| 16:19.35 | ethanol | they still produce single core chips? |
| 16:19.56 | goodger | petemc: yes, there are no suspects except for Xorg, but killing it doesn't help |
| 16:20.09 | macrobat | in which format is the dpkg database? |
| 16:20.17 | joeytwiddle | anybody out there using LILO to boot kernel 2.6.32? i would really like a peek at your lilo.conf ! |
| 16:20.18 | ethanol | dpkg: version |
| 16:20.18 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 16:20.24 | ethanol | errr, no |
| 16:20.48 | ethanol | infobot 1.5.4 |
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| 16:21.13 | Leoneof | dpkg: debian |
| 16:21.13 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:21.38 | goodger | the problem actually begins when I place the system under moderate-to-high load to begin with, like running youtube in flash (either in chromium or iceweasel) or an HD film in VLC or a virtualbox machine or sometimes just when loading a lot of tabs in either chromium or iceweasel |
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| 16:22.26 | joeytwiddle | goodger: if it's not CPU usage, then it might be too much swapping |
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| 16:22.35 | goodger | nope, plenty of RAM left |
| 16:22.40 | ethanol | goodger: get more cores. |
| 16:22.47 | goodger | ethanol: no. |
| 16:23.04 | ethanol | then stop watching hd content. |
| 16:23.40 | goodger | I should be able to watch HD films if my system can handle it, and it obviously can handle it until this happens |
| 16:23.54 | goodger | it handles it perfectly well in Windows, for instance |
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| 16:23.59 | ethanol | why? does it stop playing them? or is just annoying you that load is above 1? |
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| 16:24.33 | joeytwiddle | goodger: i find 240p youtube's run much better than 360p. and i give mplayer some options to drop frames etc. on HD videos |
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| 16:24.37 | ethanol | is there anything happening other than load reporting a value that is too high in your opinion? |
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| 16:25.05 | goodger | it annoys me that the framerate at which I type into this window is about 10, and it annoys me that when I switch windows I can see the new window being redrawn row-by-row |
| 16:25.27 | ethanol | sounds like software rendering almost |
| 16:26.51 | oskar- | does anyone know how I can rebuild version xxxx+b1 of a package? |
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| 16:28.45 | goodger | if I shut down iceweasel to preclude rogue javascript, I still have an average of about 40% CPU usage and a load average of 2.3 just from xchat-gnome, pidgin and skype â none of which is using noticeable amounts of CPU or RAM |
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| 16:30.18 | goodger | oh, actually, pidgin has indeed gone into its "eat everything" mode; closing it, however, still gives me about 30% usage and 1.4 load |
| 16:30.25 | jelly | goodger: how do you measure cpu usage? |
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| 16:31.19 | goodger | jelly: I read the CPU figure from top |
| 16:31.28 | jelly | will solve this issue by... buying a machine that will have >1 cores and >2GB RAM |
| 16:31.37 | goodger | though really, I don't care how much CPU is being used so long as the system doesn't sound like it's being run through treacle |
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| 16:31.47 | anddam | hello |
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| 16:32.15 | goodger | jelly: it runs _exactly as it should_ until whatever bug this is kicks in |
| 16:32.20 | goodger | only then does it become intolerably slow |
| 16:32.40 | jelly | goodger: top is notorious at missing processes that start and exit faster than the refresh interval |
| 16:33.16 | jelly | try atop, just for fun |
| 16:33.52 | anddam | is there a meta package to install gcc autotool and so? |
| 16:34.04 | goodger | anddam: build-essentials |
| 16:34.16 | anddam | isn't build-essentials for building deb packages? |
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| 16:34.56 | anddam | and I don't see any autotools in build-essential |
| 16:35.02 | vtts | autotool is not in build-essential |
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| 16:35.41 | goodger | OK, I have a screen full of numbers with heavily abbreviated labels |
| 16:35.58 | anddam | vtts: is there a metapackage for autotools? |
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| 16:36.21 | kanneblei | Hey all, I'm having trouble building deb packages on a SLES system. I figured I could either find some package that provides dpkg, or I could build a chroot there running some sort of debian. Anyone has any better ideas? Thanks. |
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| 16:37.06 | vtts | anddam, I don't know any, usually install it separately |
| 16:38.04 | anddam | maybe autotools-dev |
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| 16:38.33 | goodger | jelly: I don't see anything listed under atop that isn't there under top |
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| 16:39.15 | vtts | anddam, its not exactly a virtual/metapackage |
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| 16:42.09 | _martin | hi, i got debian sparc on a readynas duo... know my second partion seems to be broken. the folder where the hdd is normaly mounted is empty how can i recover my data? |
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| 16:44.22 | pipeline | kanneblei: chroot is your best bet |
| 16:44.30 | pipeline | kanneblei: you can use debootstrap to set up the chroot |
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| 16:44.45 | pipeline | kanneblei: then mount --bind /dev, /dev/pts etc into the appropriate directories in the chroot |
| 16:45.00 | pipeline | kanneblei: it's not 100% certain to work... the SLES kernel may be so old as to have too different an ABI. But it should probably work. |
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| 16:45.09 | kanneblei | pipeline: do I really need those just to build packages? |
| 16:45.17 | goodger | so, having established that my hardware is not underpowered, can anyone suggest how I might go about investigating this obscure problem? |
| 16:45.39 | kanneblei | pipeline: those = those binds (/dev and /dev/pts) |
| 16:46.11 | pipeline | kanneblei: can't say for sure, but I would want /dev/pts, /proc, /sys just to be safe, and if you're gonna have /dev/pts, you probably want /dev also. |
| 16:46.46 | kanneblei | pipeline: ok, thank you! |
| 16:46.51 | pipeline | kanneblei: at any rate, experiment. debootstrap is pretty simple, so you shouldn't have any trouble getting the bootstrap itself to run on SuSE. |
| 16:47.46 | cire | I get lots of "#debian-overflow Cannot join channel, you must be invited" |
| 16:47.48 | pipeline | _martin: does the partition still exist? can you mount it read-only by hand? can you fsck it ? |
| 16:47.52 | cire | But I do not know where this comes from |
| 16:47.56 | cire | I do not want to join that chan |
| 16:48.48 | _martin | i dont know im really new to this... how can i figure out if the partion is still existing |
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| 16:49.12 | pipeline | _martin: fdisk -u -l /dev/... whatever the disk is |
| 16:49.13 | kanneblei | pipeline: Ok, I'll try it then. I was really wondering if there wasn't a native way. But thanks for all the tips, they'll probably solve issues I'll bang my head to later on. |
| 16:49.37 | pipeline | _martin: or just run "fdisk -u -l" without another argument to see what's on all disks |
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| 16:50.53 | _martin | ok thanks pipeline ill try |
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| 16:51.45 | anddam | bye |
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| 16:51.51 | blackswan | is there a way to encrypt an existing unencrypted file system in place, without having to copy all the data to a filesystem built with encryption? |
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| 16:54.35 | rozie | blackswan: you can check encfs |
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| 16:55.20 | rozie | don't know if it does help in what you want, but it's per file not per FS encryption |
| 16:55.58 | blackswan | it needs to be full fs encryption. corporate policy. |
| 16:56.31 | ksha | blackswan, check cryptmount |
| 16:56.36 | blackswan | tx |
| 16:56.44 | goodger | does anyone know when a new linux is coming down the pipeline for unstable/testing? 2.6.32 doesn't adequately support my hardware, and I suspect my vanilla 2.6.35 may be causing problems |
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| 16:58.08 | daemonkeeper | A new "Linux"? If you mean the kernel, there are 6 more recent releases already and the 7th approaching. |
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| 16:58.22 | babilen | goodger: .37 is already in sid and I expect .38 which is currently in experimental to appear there soon |
| 16:58.29 | blackswan | ksha: good to know about cryptmount, but it won't do what i want |
| 16:58.51 | daemonkeeper | If you mean "a new kernel for Debian stable" the answer is "in roughly 2 years". You can use backports though. |
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| 16:59.18 | goodger | daemonkeeper: I said "for unstable/testing" right there in my original sentence |
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| 16:59.52 | daemonkeeper | Oh, sorry, was inattentive |
| 16:59.54 | goodger | babilen: I shall wait for that to trickle down into testing, then, assuming something has been keeping it out for some time |
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| 17:00.24 | ksha | blackswan, what you want ? |
| 17:00.37 | babilen | goodger: You could just install it from sid or experimental though. But waiting it out is an option too :) |
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| 17:01.37 | blackswan | ksha: i have a regular filesystem i want to make into an encrypted filesystem, in place, without copying the data. |
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| 17:02.29 | blackswan | ksha: as in something that scans the whole disk, reading the unencrypted data and writing back encrypted data to the same spot on the disk |
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| 17:03.15 | judgen | I am having an peculiar problem. My new hard drive started to behave just like my old ones. Now it seem to do a seek every 2-5 seconds. And it is annoying the heck out of me. The disk seems to do this no matter what OS i run or install. Any suggestions? |
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| 17:04.29 | judgen | It worked fine before. That is when it was used alone. But after i put the other disks in and copied some files. It attracted the behaviour of the disks i was going to replace due to this same behaviour. |
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| 17:05.03 | ksha | blackswan, encfs |
| 17:05.10 | bonjoyee | i am using debian-multimedia with squeeze...the vlc screen capture is all green ..anyone having the same? how to fix it? |
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| 17:05.21 | judgen | This behaviour also seems to make the disks slower, but i am not certain. |
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| 17:06.26 | ksha | blackswan, but, I prefer cryptmount for encrypt my data |
| 17:06.44 | judgen | no windows rootkit or bootkit should be able to affect debian, right? So that is out of the question i guess. |
| 17:06.49 | ksha | and encfs for directories |
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| 17:12.05 | pbn | Hi how do I install all of the KDE desktop environment ? aptitude install kde-desktop ? |
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| 17:13.15 | prizm | presumably |
| 17:13.24 | babilen | !tell pbn -about install kde |
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| 17:15.02 | Ring0` | Hey. Socks proxy via SSH tunnel limits transfer almost 3 times lower. What can cause this? |
| 17:15.14 | Ring0` | When direct http download from the same machine is always max. |
| 17:15.48 | chefkoch | hi. i am looking for something like a buildserver to create dep pakages for different debian systems. any suggestion? |
| 17:15.54 | justin_ | Ring0`: specific numbers? |
| 17:15.57 | ksha | ring0, what tunnel ? |
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| 17:16.04 | ksha | -D or -L ? |
| 17:16.11 | Ring0` | -D |
| 17:16.17 | h3sp4wn | chefkoch: Do you need to use cross compilers ? |
| 17:16.37 | Ring0` | ksha: it does matter? I didn't check with L tho |
| 17:17.03 | chefkoch | i would like to compile only for debian based systems. |
| 17:17.19 | h3sp4wn | chefkoch: Debian runs on alot of arch |
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| 17:17.35 | chefkoch | ah. the arch type. only for i386 |
| 17:17.48 | chefkoch | other archs would be fine, but is not really needed. |
| 17:17.53 | ksha | ring0, u use sock v5 |
| 17:17.57 | h3sp4wn | !info buildd |
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| 17:18.09 | Ring0` | justin_: For instance file from GARR I download with 1Mb/s when NOT using proxy. With proxy tunnel I download with 300KBps |
| 17:18.11 | Ring0` | ksha: yes |
| 17:18.29 | mms_ | I dont see rndis in lsmod so usb tethering will not work ? what packages I need ? |
| 17:18.43 | dpkg | buildd: (Daemon for automatically building Debian binary packages from Debian sources), section devel, is extra. Version: 0.61.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 237 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 17:18.46 | justin_ | Ring0`: what kind of connection do you have to the machine you are using as a proxy? What kind of connection does the proxy have? |
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| 17:18.50 | Ring0` | justin_: This machine for sure has over 60/60 connection so it must not be transfer limitation in it iself |
| 17:19.03 | h3sp4wn | chefkoch: buildd is what Debian uses but if its just for the odd package something like pbuilder should be fine (i386 / amd64 doesn't need cross compiler) |
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| 17:19.22 | Ring0` | justin_: It's dedicated server in hosting company, when I connect to it via shell, using wget I can get over 6Mb/s |
| 17:19.33 | justin_ | Ring0`: try ssh with -c blowfish |
| 17:19.39 | babilen | chefkoch: or cowbuilder |
| 17:19.42 | chefkoch | pbuilder or buildd. i will check boths. |
| 17:20.01 | chefkoch | thanks |
| 17:20.02 | Ring0` | justin_: So for instance when I download file from GARR to this machine via http first and then via http from my machine it's max. But when I use tunnel it's 3times slower |
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| 17:20.23 | h3sp4wn | chefkoch: buildd is pretty complicated but good if you need to build alot of packages often |
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| 17:20.38 | mms_ | how to check if my debian install has needed packages to be able to tether using htc g1 cyanogenmod |
| 17:20.57 | h3sp4wn | chefkoch: There is others (but I have no experience of them) |
| 17:21.19 | babilen | !tell mms_ -about search |
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| 17:22.06 | mms_ | any article will be better |
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| 17:22.40 | babilen | mms_: You might want to ask in a cyanogenmod channel. I don't know which tools you need for that. |
| 17:22.42 | greedo | has anyone tried statically compiling rsync for ESXi 4.1? |
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| 17:23.29 | greedo | I complied it on my debian machine |
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| 17:23.52 | greedo | it seg faults on ESXi |
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| 17:26.36 | pipeline | greedo: esxi is derived from an embedded linux, and it's not surprising that it doesn't work. |
| 17:26.50 | pipeline | greedo: you shouldn't be running rsync on the esxi service console anyway |
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| 17:27.36 | pipeline | greedo: even if you could get it to build/run, esxi resource management doesn't work the way standard Linux does, and it's very unlikely that it would work properly (if your service console session consumes too much resources, Bad Things happen.) |
| 17:27.47 | pipeline | greedo: esxi *looks like* linux, but it is a *long, long* way from actually being linux |
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| 17:28.10 | pipeline | greedo: none of the memory management or process scheduling from linux is in there.... rsync probably won't work. |
| 17:28.42 | Cromulent | can anyone please point me to the correct tools to find out which process is using intermittently high CPU amounts on Debian 6 please? Everytime I login to my VPS I seem to miss it |
| 17:28.42 | pipeline | greedo: re: Bad Things, nothing bad will happen to your VMs, that's the point of replacing linux process management... Bad Things will happen to your session, the VMs will be fine :) |
| 17:28.55 | pipeline | Cromulent: install sysstat, set up a cron job for sadc |
| 17:29.04 | Cromulent | pipeline: cool cheers |
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| 17:29.30 | pipeline | Cromulent: sadc is the data collector. sar prints the reports from the data collector. sadc/sar behave a lot like iostat and friends, but iostat and friends are real time and sadc/sar are loggers. |
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| 17:30.00 | Cromulent | ah cool - thanks for the info, I'll read up on them now |
| 17:30.04 | greedo | pipeline: believe it or not I got it working with esxi 4.0 |
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| 17:30.19 | greedo | pipeline: but then we upgrade to 4.1 |
| 17:30.28 | pipeline | greedo: that surprises me, but it was a bad idea to get it working in the first place. Don't Do That. |
| 17:31.02 | pipeline | greedo: ESXi is not intended to work that way, and the domain for the service console ssh sessions is very, very tightly restricted. |
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| 17:31.31 | pipeline | greedo: if you want a supportable UNIX box that also virtualizes, use debian with KVM + libvirt tools. Added bonus: non-proprietary. |
| 17:31.32 | greedo | pipeline: it's running dropbear and busybox |
| 17:31.37 | Noor_eg | hello i got this error while i was building package |
| 17:31.37 | Noor_eg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:32.16 | pipeline | greedo: ESXi *looks like* embedded linux, it is *derived from* embedded linux, but it is *very different* in ways that will surprise and irritate you if you begin to consume system resources on the service console. I don't know how many ways I can slice this for you. Bad idea. |
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| 17:32.40 | pipeline | greedo: you could have a fully supported rsync on your host OS if you just used debian as the host in the first place |
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| 17:33.17 | greedo | pipeline: busybox is restrictive but not impossible |
| 17:33.22 | pipeline | greedo: you do not understand me |
| 17:33.29 | pipeline | greedo: busybox and dropbear are perfectly normal for embedded linux |
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| 17:33.49 | greedo | pipeline: http://www.virtuallyghetto.com/2011/02/how-to-compile-statically-linked-rsync.html |
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| 17:33.54 | pipeline | greedo: a non-Linux kernel that restricts memory/buffer/cpu consumption on a per-process-tree basis is very fucking abnormal |
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| 17:34.16 | pipeline | greedo: ESXi is not Linux in any normal sense of the word, it is its own weird little thing that uses a lot of Linux code and is nominally ABI-compatible |
| 17:34.26 | pipeline | greedo: building and running your own code on ESXi is an idiot move |
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| 17:34.39 | Iridos | judd, versions libqt3-headers |
| 17:34.41 | judd | Package libqt3-headers on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3.8b-5+b1; sid: 3:3.3.8b-7+b1; squeeze: 3:3.3.8b-7+b1; wheezy: 3:3.3.8b-7+b1 |
| 17:34.44 | greedo | pipeline: explain... |
| 17:34.55 | pipeline | greedo: ESXi *is* *not* *linux* |
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| 17:35.08 | pipeline | greedo: when you log in via SSH and consume system resources, you will run out of resources in surprising and annoying ways |
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| 17:35.16 | pipeline | greedo: also, VMware support will tell you to go fuck yourself |
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| 17:35.30 | greedo | pipeline: 12:34 < pipeline> greedo: building and running your own code on ESXi is an idiot move |
| 17:35.30 | Iridos | Noor_eg, what package is that, what version of debian? And how did you build - did you run apt-get build-dep <package>? |
| 17:35.35 | pipeline | greedo: don't build and run code on ESXi. It is not supported. It will not work well. It is not supposed to work well. |
| 17:35.54 | greedo | ok that doesn't solve my problem |
| 17:36.06 | pipeline | greedo: if you want a linux box that does virt, use a linux box that does virt... don't try to fuck around with a proprietary software product that is kinda-sorta linux compatible. |
| 17:36.30 | pipeline | greedo: what are you actually trying to do with rsync? couldn't you access the VMFS through the VMware API ? (i.e. the supported method) |
| 17:36.46 | greedo | pipeline: backups |
| 17:37.06 | pipeline | greedo: there are supported methods for doing backups. Use them. |
| 17:37.12 | greedo | pipeline: using rsnapshot more specifically |
| 17:37.18 | pipeline | greedo: again, if you want a linux box you can back up like a normal linux box, USE A LINUX BOX. |
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| 17:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | Does this discussion have anything to do with Debian? |
| 17:37.37 | pipeline | at any rate, this is waaaaay off-topic. Debian is a wonderful virtualization platform, and I encourage you to use it. |
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| 17:39.00 | greedo | pipeline: i can't say you have been helpful, but thank you for your time and your opinions |
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| 17:39.55 | antivirtel | hi, how can I disable mysql auto-start on lenny??? I used sysv-rc-conf and update-rc.d... but there is no init script linked.. what can I do to disable mysql auto-start?? |
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| 17:40.38 | tharkun | greedo: Storng opinions. But for the sake of maintainability of your code. You were given great advice. On the bottom line it is allways a balance between developing time and maintainability |
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| 17:41.07 | dArK_IcE | . |
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| 17:43.50 | greedo | tharkun: I realize that, unfortunately it did not answer my question. The environment I *have* to work with is ESXi, but I shall take my question elsewhere as it seems some people here think I am trying to do the impossible |
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| 17:44.38 | tharkun | greedo: good luck. I sincerely do not have a better answer for you either. |
| 17:44.43 | mms_ | how do I check it and if kernel does not have it how to update kernel ? |
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| 17:44.46 | mms_ | Linux just requires a kernel with RNDIS in it, this is the case for all recent Linux distributions. |
| 17:44.48 | mms_ | how do I check it and if kernel does not have it how to update kernel ? |
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| 17:49.54 | mms_ | how do I upgrade to squeeze ? |
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| 17:50.37 | robokop_ | mms_: see topic |
| 17:50.38 | qknight | can i use debian to to source deployment only? |
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| 17:53.31 | qknight | i think source deployment on gentoo is not meant to be used like on gentoo linux and is a tedious process |
| 17:53.53 | Miesco | How do I make mod1 key my windows key? |
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| 17:55.03 | qknight | Miesco: create a ~/.Xmodmap with the correct mapping and restart your X server |
| 17:55.13 | qknight | Miesco: you can also relogin |
| 17:55.55 | qknight | Miesco: https://invalidmagic.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/fixing-volume-change-in-linux/ <- might give you an idea |
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| 17:57.57 | qknight | Miesco: xkbevd <- use this program to check if the key is creating an X event at all (if not you might have to change the keyboard layout) |
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| 17:59.00 | Miesco | qknight: Is there a global xmodmap config file? |
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| 17:59.25 | qknight | Miesco: guess yes but don't know |
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| 17:59.35 | qknight | Miesco: i guess xorg.conf could be used for that somehow |
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| 18:03.45 | __name__ | *LED is turned off and no keyboard input is received |
| 18:04.15 | AthomIk | __name__: have you a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:04.27 | durando | hey guys i'm running debian 6 squeeze on my new nas board which is a Jetway NC9C-550 Dual Core Atom Mini-ITX Mainboard |
| 18:04.29 | __name__ | AthomIk: It's the install CD, I do not have anything. |
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| 18:04.34 | durando | sata port 1 and 2 work fine |
| 18:05.15 | durando | but 3 and 4 dont work and according to a slip that came with the mainboard for windows xp to use sata 3/4 i need to install a jmb 363 driver, is this the case with debian as well? |
| 18:06.20 | AthomIk | __name__: text mode not have keyboard ? what s you re keyboard ? |
| 18:06.37 | __name__ | AthomIk: Cherry G82 |
| 18:06.39 | __name__ | USB model. |
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| 18:07.10 | kanneblei | pipeline: I'm the guy asking questions about debootstrap earlier |
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| 18:07.47 | kanneblei | pipeline: I was wondering if you have any idea how I could run the system on a remote server which I don't have root access to |
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| 18:07.57 | justin_ | durando: no |
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| 18:08.12 | kanneblei | pipeline: I was thinking along the lines of fakechroot, but am very new to all of this. |
| 18:08.35 | justin_ | durando: well, you need a driver, but linux is the driver, so you should have it already |
| 18:08.54 | justin_ | durando: try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 18:09.04 | durando | justin_: do you have any other reason why sata 3 and 4 wouldn't work |
| 18:09.10 | durando | its almost like its a seperate controller |
| 18:09.18 | justin_ | durando: could be |
| 18:09.48 | durando | i'll tell you this has been giving me a headache |
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| 18:10.00 | durando | i thought it was my 4 port sata that was causing issues........... |
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| 18:10.10 | __name__ | durando: Are you sure it's not SAS? |
| 18:10.28 | __name__ | My mainboard has SAS plugs right next to SATA ones. |
| 18:10.46 | durando | __name__: no its sata this is a consumer grade mini itx board with 4 sata on board and i bought a seperate 4 port daughter card |
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| 18:10.56 | __name__ | Was just checking, sorry. |
| 18:11.19 | durando | __name__: sorry if that came off bad, i really apprecaite you asking because you know it could have been :) |
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| 18:12.12 | durando | it has taken a lot of narrowing down to figure out it was sata port 3 and 4 on the mobo causing these issues alot of plugging and unplugging drives |
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| 18:16.35 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 18:16.55 | SIG_IGN | hi can anyone help me in getting one debian mentor |
| 18:17.21 | cousin_mario | Are the horde3 and kolabd packages in the standard repository compatible? I'm told that the former requires some sort of patch. |
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| 18:19.34 | Miesco | Whats the proper way to have your bash prompt have color? |
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| 18:20.37 | cousin_mario | Miesco: By setting the PS1 variable accordingly. |
| 18:20.37 | SIG_IGN | Actually I want to take over one of the orphaned packages. Please guide me |
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| 18:21.06 | SIG_IGN | or RFA packages |
| 18:21.48 | Miesco | cousin_mario: I'm using the default .bashrc |
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| 18:30.29 | durando | so i did the lspci command and didnt find the second sata/pata controller |
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| 18:30.37 | durando | how do i install jmb 363 drivers into debian |
| 18:30.47 | justin_ | durando: you don't |
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| 18:30.59 | pipeline | kanneblei: I don't have any ideas on that subject. That sounds like a really bad idea, I'm afraid. Maybe you can persuade the remote server's administrator to set up a jail + access for you based upon a tarball of your debootstrapped tarball? |
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| 18:32.39 | kanneblei | pipeline: I tihnk I've just managed to get myself a root permission. Thanks for all the help! :) |
| 18:32.49 | durando | whys that justin_ |
| 18:33.38 | justin_ | durando: what did the hcl page say? |
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| 18:36.03 | g00se | If a lenny box crashes so badly i've got to cut the power, which are the best logs to look into to find out why? |
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| 18:36.40 | pipeline | g00se: you can look at /var/log/messages, but it's not likely that there will be anything there |
| 18:36.50 | pipeline | g00se: next time it happens, try to use the "magic sysrq" keys to force a flush to disk |
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| 18:37.06 | pipeline | g00se: also: having the kernel print logs to serial is helpful because then you can get the logs off the box for even the last moments of the kernel's survival |
| 18:37.48 | pipeline | g00se: also: consider looking into crashdump... it hookes the kernel such that after the kernel crashes, a new kernel is kexeced in alternate memory space so that the original (crashed) kernel's memory can be dumped to disk |
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| 18:37.55 | pipeline | g00se: err not crashdump, kdump is the name of that thing |
| 18:37.58 | valdyn | g00se: what do you mean with "cut the power" ? |
| 18:38.17 | valdyn | g00se: like *really* cutting the power or using the at power switch on the mainboard? |
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| 18:38.48 | g00se | pipeline: interesting thanks |
| 18:39.06 | g00se | valdyn: i mean pulling out the power cable |
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| 18:39.31 | valdyn | g00se: for all i know that would be a hardware bug or temporary loss of power that would cause this |
| 18:39.31 | pipeline | g00se: magic sysrq is a key thing to know, because it often works even when the kernel is hung too badly to write anything to the screen :) |
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| 18:39.52 | valdyn | g00se: you would not see anything useful about that in any log file ( on PC hardware ) |
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| 18:40.43 | g00se | pipeline: i thought sysrq has to be specially enabled in the kernel ..? |
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| 18:40.57 | pipeline | g00se: I think default debian kernel includes it |
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| 18:41.13 | g00se | Right |
| 18:41.35 | pipeline | grep -i sysrq /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 18:41.35 | pipeline | CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y |
| 18:41.35 | pipeline | CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ_DEFAULT_MASK=0x01b6 |
| 18:41.36 | g00se | pipeline: I think we might be looking at package 'crash' ? |
| 18:42.23 | g00se | pipeline: Is it Ctrl+Alt+SysRq or is there a fourth too? |
| 18:43.07 | pipeline | g00se: just ctrl alt sysrq then the key that you'r einterested in |
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| 18:43.14 | pipeline | g00se: the fourth key determines what magic sysrq does |
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| 18:43.23 | pipeline | g00se: there's a text file about this somewhere in /usr/share/doc |
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| 18:43.34 | g00se | Ah right - i'd better rtfm ;) |
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| 18:43.57 | Wiward_X | hi |
| 18:43.58 | pipeline | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#.22Raising_Elephants.22_mnemonic_device |
| 18:44.00 | Wiward_X | alguien me puede echar una mano ocn un problema con apt? |
| 18:44.03 | pipeline | g00se: that mnemonic device is what I was thinking of |
| 18:44.06 | pipeline | Wiward_X: #debian-es |
| 18:44.26 | Wiward_X | thank's |
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| 18:45.09 | pipeline | http://indlovu.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/raising-elephants-mnemonic-device/ |
| 18:45.14 | pipeline | seems wikipedia deleted the mnemonic |
| 18:45.18 | pipeline | but it still exists |
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| 18:50.43 | Miesco | How do I get more vim themes :) |
| 18:50.43 | Miesco | Is there a package? |
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| 18:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: aptitude search vim |
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| 18:54.14 | Lumpus | hey got an question if i upgrade my motherboard do i need to change something in debian 6 ?. |
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| 18:55.17 | AthomIk | alsa problem in multiseat.... sometime have sound on tv on user one, sometime on pc screen user two ...... |
| 18:55.23 | jhutchins_lt | Lumpus: It's possible you would need to regenerate the initramfs if it requires different drivers for the I/O chipset. |
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| 18:55.33 | AthomIk | but multiseat work fine with gdm |
| 18:56.10 | Lumpus | if its the same motherboard then cous my one is kinda buggy stalls sometimes. |
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| 18:57.14 | Lumpus | got an MSI P55A-G55 |
| 18:58.19 | Lumpus | if its same motherboard change that shouldnt be a problem ? |
| 18:58.48 | robokop_ | Lumpus: if all is right it should be exactly the same, but sometimes the same mobo type has different hardware (especially ethernet and wlan chips are prone to change) |
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| 18:59.22 | Lumpus | ok |
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| 18:59.58 | robokop_ | but it should boot and if networking doesn't work you can do a sudo update-initramfs |
| 19:00.09 | FilipeMaia | I'm having a problem download a file from an ftp site. I can download it with the web browser but not with wget, curl or ftp. I cannot get into the directory where the file is. Can anyone suggest a command line tool I can use that does not require to cd to the directory of the file? |
| 19:00.13 | Lumpus | Aigtt |
| 19:00.55 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: why can't you? |
| 19:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | robokop_: Ethernet drivers are usually not in the initramfs. |
| 19:01.11 | FilipeMaia | justin_: It won't allow me |
| 19:01.16 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: why |
| 19:01.17 | nardev | hello, what app i can use to test colors on monitor? |
| 19:01.34 | FilipeMaia | justin_: if you just ftp and do ls the directory does not exist |
| 19:02.03 | robokop_ | jhutchins_lt: sorry, always forget what is in by default and whats not |
| 19:02.16 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: then the ftp client is not your problem |
| 19:02.30 | FilipeMaia | justin_: it works from a web browser though (at least from chrome) |
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| 19:02.42 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: then you are doing something wrong |
| 19:03.07 | FilipeMaia | justin_: curl: (9) Server denied you to change to the given directory |
| 19:03.21 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: who runs the server? |
| 19:03.25 | jhutchins_lt | It's probably a download triggered by javascript, which wget or ftp don't process. |
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| 19:03.37 | jthm | nardev for calibrating the monitor? |
| 19:03.42 | superlinux | hi. I just want to mention a missing pkg named quanta plus. I use it to program sites |
| 19:03.43 | FilipeMaia | justin_: the server is ftp://ftp.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/ |
| 19:03.49 | jhutchins_lt | FilipeMaia: You'll have to out-smart their obfuscation. |
| 19:03.57 | nardev | jthm, just to check if monitor shows colors properly |
| 19:04.01 | justin_ | jhutchins_lt: don't make assumptions like that |
| 19:04.15 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: and what file are you downloading via chrome? |
| 19:04.21 | Miesco_ | How do I find out my resolution? |
| 19:04.22 | FilipeMaia | the link is an ftp link |
| 19:04.28 | FilipeMaia | ftp://ftp.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/filebox/1w/N0PRR/amo15010-r0010.tar |
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| 19:04.34 | Miesco_ | I don't know how to use the new xorg config |
| 19:04.37 | FilipeMaia | it's a large file |
| 19:04.55 | Zblakany | hmm, how can I check is my kernel image is correctly installed in MBR? |
| 19:05.08 | jthm | nardev sounds to like calibration - read about argyll |
| 19:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | Zblakany: It's not. |
| 19:05.22 | nardev | jthm, thank you |
| 19:05.31 | Zblakany | s/kernel image is/grub stage images are/ |
| 19:05.58 | FilipeMaia | filebox exists, but that seems to be the end of the path |
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| 19:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | Zblakany: You can read the mbr. |
| 19:06.04 | superlinux | what is the best debian mirror or the one that is the center? |
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| 19:06.20 | maligor | argyll cms is hardware only calibration |
| 19:06.30 | maligor | you need a colorimeter |
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| 19:07.00 | abrotman | superlinux: there isn't a 'best' .. use the one near you |
| 19:07.16 | FilipeMaia | justin_: can you start to download the file I pasted? |
| 19:07.22 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: no |
| 19:07.33 | superlinux | abrotman, I think i did not convey my question correctly. |
| 19:07.40 | FilipeMaia | justin_: can you try from a web browser? |
| 19:07.49 | abrotman | superlinux: yes you did .. the answer is the answer |
| 19:07.57 | abrotman | superlinux: you're french? |
| 19:07.59 | Zblakany | jhutchins_lt: probably You've right |
| 19:08.01 | superlinux | i have a missing package |
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| 19:08.02 | abrotman | or rather .. in France ? |
| 19:08.06 | superlinux | abrotman, arab |
| 19:08.14 | superlinux | in Lebanon |
| 19:08.25 | jhutchins_lt | Zblakany: The output of grub-install should indicate whether it worked. |
| 19:08.29 | superlinux | but I am a Palestinian |
| 19:08.30 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: try it from chrome in a new incognito window |
| 19:08.34 | Zblakany | but I ask because I can't load my dedicated server after installing squeeze via debootstrap |
| 19:09.06 | abrotman | superlinux: i just needed your geographic location |
| 19:09.07 | justin_ | I don't think the debian mirrors care if you are Palestinian |
| 19:09.36 | superlinux | justin_, true. |
| 19:09.45 | abrotman | superlinux: the closest mirrors to you are israel or turkey .. ideally you'd pick one of those |
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| 19:10.17 | abrotman | or closest official mirrors anyway |
| 19:10.23 | FilipeMaia | justin_: it works |
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| 19:10.49 | abrotman | superlinux: now, to answer your real question .. I don't believe you can use the system you're asking about as your mirror in your sources.list |
| 19:11.09 | superlinux | i was looking for a debian server that has all the packages that were in debian lenny. they are off the list of squeeze. this's my problem. i want the same pkgs to be in squeeze. |
| 19:11.25 | superlinux | so i am looking for a better repository |
| 19:11.36 | abrotman | superlinux: they all mirror the same packages |
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| 19:11.46 | superlinux | mmm. ok |
| 19:12.03 | abrotman | superlinux: and based on `packages.debian.org/quanta' .. i'd say quanta is no longer maintained at all |
| 19:12.16 | superlinux | then'll have to accept it. I am going to rebuild quanta |
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| 19:12.32 | abrotman | have fun with that .. or find a better solution |
| 19:12.40 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: weird |
| 19:12.54 | FilipeMaia | justin_: very |
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| 19:13.23 | Zblakany | jhutchins_lt: this output show me that is no errors |
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| 19:13.32 | Miesco | How do I find out my resolution? |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | superlinux: it looks like quanta was removed from Debian when kde3.x was removed from unstable |
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| 19:13.40 | abrotman | Miesco: xdpyinfo |
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| 19:13.46 | abrotman | or xrandr |
| 19:13.47 | Miesco | thanks |
| 19:13.52 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: lftpget works |
| 19:14.00 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 19:14.00 | Zblakany | but system isn't able to up after reboot and looking for solution to fix this shitty behaviour |
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| 19:14.19 | FilipeMaia | justin_: many thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 19:14.26 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: you're right.. it works if you don't CD to the directory |
| 19:14.33 | justin_ | their ftp configuration must be screwy |
| 19:14.43 | FilipeMaia | justin_: it's to hide the files i believe |
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| 19:14.50 | justin_ | yeah |
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| 19:15.14 | justin_ | it should work in any client where you can just do 'get filebox/1w/N0PRR/amo15010-r0010.tar' |
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| 19:16.33 | markeylia | hello |
| 19:16.41 | FilipeMaia | justin_: i guess there's not way to do that with wget or curl |
| 19:16.44 | markeylia | good lucky everyone |
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| 19:17.14 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: with curl it looks like there is |
| 19:17.20 | justin_ | FilipeMaia: --ftp-method nocwd |
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| 19:17.48 | justin_ | wget does not have an option like that as far as I can tell |
| 19:18.05 | markeylia | my usb mouse sometime it not work |
| 19:18.54 | AthomIk | here exist a sound hack :D |
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| 19:21.18 | markeylia | Sometimes my usbmouse does not work |
| 19:21.19 | FilipeMaia | justin_: works great! Thanks for all the help :) |
| 19:21.58 | AthomIk | markeylia: use you a xorg.conf in /etx/X11 |
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| 19:23.47 | markeylia | How prepared |
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| 19:27.44 | superlinux | abrotman, can I submit my building of quanta if it works? |
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| 19:27.51 | markeylia | But with the touchpad, the mouse and can resume work |
| 19:28.03 | superlinux | to debian of course |
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| 19:28.11 | abrotman | superlinux: see mentors.debian.net |
| 19:28.15 | superlinux | ok |
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| 19:33.13 | dr_traktor | Is there no Dovecot for Squeeze? |
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| 19:33.45 | dondelelcaro | dr_traktor: there is |
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| 19:34.16 | dondelelcaro | dr_traktor: you probably want the dovecot-imapd and/or dovecot-pop3d packages; possibly other packages too. |
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| 19:36.14 | dr_traktor | dondelelcaro: Possibly. |
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| 19:40.20 | erAbuelo | buenas noches |
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| 19:41.01 | Glutsch | lo |
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| 19:53.52 | ZitZ | hello, i recently reported a bug on xbmc to debian multimedia, and the maintainer fixed it by uploading a version of xbmc linked to the internal ffmpeg libraries, my question, which I asked the maintainer but he didn't answer, is whether xbmc on debian is usually built with internal or external ffmpeg libraries? |
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| 19:56.35 | guyton | dpkg, depends xbmc |
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| 19:56.59 | ZitZ | it doesn't pull anything other than it's own data and skin package |
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| 19:57.21 | guyton | xbmc is not even in debian |
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| 19:57.50 | guyton | but if you have the package from DMM then you should be able to look at its dependencies |
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| 19:58.21 | jelly-home | judd: depends xbmc |
| 19:58.23 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xbmc' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 19:58.32 | jelly-home | judd: info xbmc |
| 19:58.34 | judd | No record of package 'xbmc' in squeeze/i386. |
| 19:58.40 | jelly-home | judd: versions xbmc |
| 19:58.41 | judd | Package xbmc on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5; wheezy-multimedia: 10.0-0.5; sid-multimedia: 10.1-0.2 |
| 19:58.50 | jelly-home | judd: I am disappointed! :-) |
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| 20:01.41 | guyton | does anyone know how to ignore joins/parts with pidgin in IRC? |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | ask #pidgin ? |
| 20:02.20 | guyton | Indeed, I did, but simultaneously asking in here as well |
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| 20:03.20 | homushi | guyton: tell me if you'll find a way please ) |
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| 20:04.30 | guyton | homushi: its a plugin... Join/Part Hiding 2.7.3 (in Squeeze) Ctrl+U brings up the plugins window |
| 20:04.55 | homushi | ah squeeze, thanks |
| 20:04.58 | homushi | not for me then |
| 20:05.39 | AthomIk | hummm.... i run 2 X with 2 gc, sound is sometime on screen 1 sometime on screen 2, have you idée ? |
| 20:06.09 | AthomIk | i boot i have sound on my TV, i restart gdm and have sound on screen...... |
| 20:06.13 | AthomIk | pffffffffff |
| 20:06.18 | valdyn | AthomIk: your sound has exactly what to do with screens? |
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| 20:07.48 | AthomIk | valdyn: i use nvidia and hdmi for tv, emulator game, and ATI on pc screen for work or irc |
| 20:08.09 | AthomIk | i have installed gdm for have multiseat |
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| 20:08.59 | valdyn | AthomIk: forget about your gdm what sound is concerned |
| 20:09.03 | jelly-home | AthomIk: sounds like a driver/initialization issue. |
| 20:09.12 | jelly-home | valdyn: sound over HDMI is an interesting topic |
| 20:09.33 | valdyn | AthomIk: youre wondering why sound is sometimes defaulting to one physical device while sometimes defaulting to the other |
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| 20:09.51 | jelly-home | I think at least some cards needs their graphic driver active for audio to work |
| 20:10.20 | AthomIk | valdyn: sound is for ever on my hdmi, but sometime on screen 1 sometime on screen 2 |
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| 20:10.57 | valdyn | AthomIk: sure, thats still 2 devices, call it channels if you want or hdmi ports or whatever |
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| 20:11.08 | syn4pse | Im looking for a programm called dh anybody knows what pack in apt-get i need to enter in order to install it ? ( apt-cache search gives me too many results ) |
| 20:11.46 | valdyn | AthomIk: your devices may be reordered as activated by the display driver thats also driving hdmi sound |
| 20:12.07 | pipeline | syn4pse: I think that's in devscripts |
| 20:12.37 | syn4pse | thanks |
| 20:12.41 | syn4pse | but Im just stupid |
| 20:12.42 | syn4pse | lol |
| 20:12.47 | syn4pse | that should have been a config line |
| 20:12.48 | syn4pse | grooar |
| 20:12.52 | syn4pse | sorry for that question :D |
| 20:12.54 | pipeline | syn4pse: nope I was wrong, it's debhelper |
| 20:13.04 | AthomIk | valdyn: at this time in have screen 1 hdmi connection, not sound for this X, my X connected via vga have the sound..... |
| 20:13.13 | valdyn | jelly-home: it should still be 2 visible devices for 2 hdmi ports, no? |
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| 20:13.32 | valdyn | AthomIk: X doesnt "have sound" |
| 20:13.47 | simonrvn | syn4pse: debhelper |
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| 20:14.21 | sparc | Hey, are preseed files, sensitive to the ordering of the commands? |
| 20:14.21 | AthomIk | only reboot solve this problem.... again reboot..... :( |
| 20:14.24 | valdyn | AthomIk: i dont know about hdmi specifics really.. where does your hdmi port get its sound from? extra cable? |
| 20:14.26 | sparc | or can be mix and match |
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| 20:14.48 | AthomIk | valdyn: yes hdmi cable pc to tv |
| 20:15.01 | valdyn | AthomIk: no, thats not what i wanted to know |
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| 20:15.31 | valdyn | AthomIk: your hdmi graphics card has to *grab* sound from somewhere unless its also a sound card, so how do you put sound into you gfx card? |
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| 20:16.11 | AthomIk | valdyn: no i have a sound hdmi card, i see with aplay -l |
| 20:16.41 | valdyn | AthomIk: ok, great |
| 20:16.48 | AthomIk | i have test create .soundrc in home directory for user on tv, /etc/asound.conf etc.. |
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| 20:17.17 | justin_ | AthomIk: if you have weird sound configurations you might be better off using pulseaudio |
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| 20:17.25 | justin_ | it fixed all my problems with my usb headset :) |
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| 20:17.49 | GI_Jack | I just installed debian 6, whatever did they do with /boot/grub/menu.lst ??? |
| 20:17.52 | valdyn | AthomIk: I would defenitely use pulseaudio for this ( im using it anyway ), but you can also assign an index value to each sound card |
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| 20:18.31 | valdyn | AthomIk: right now the index value will depend on the order of activation |
| 20:18.36 | AthomIk | yes i read a lot on alsa, it s really complex..... |
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| 20:19.02 | AthomIk | valdyn the best is hdmi sound nvidia at user ONE login |
| 20:19.11 | AthomIk | for ever user ONE on tv |
| 20:19.16 | AthomIk | autologin |
| 20:19.22 | valdyn | AthomIk: thats your *goal*, not the means |
| 20:19.47 | fachrat | GI_Jack, i think you should rephrase your question :) |
| 20:19.50 | AthomIk | is pulseaudio can assign card per user ? |
| 20:19.53 | valdyn | AthomIk: and its more complex than im willing to help you with |
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| 20:19.58 | pipeline | AthomIk: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Simple_script_to_create_an_.asoundrc_file |
| 20:20.08 | valdyn | AthomIk: yes |
| 20:20.09 | GI_Jack | fachrat: I am trying to configure my boot menu |
| 20:20.14 | pipeline | AthomIk: I run this file on user login to set the default PCM device, name y devices etc |
| 20:20.27 | pipeline | AthomIk: it's convenient because I have USB audio that comes and goes as I happen to plug/unplug it |
| 20:20.30 | GI_Jack | I am used to debian <= 5 |
| 20:20.35 | AthomIk | valdyn: yes my english is strange sometime :D |
| 20:20.38 | pipeline | AthomIk: so when I plug it in, I just run "asoundrc N2" and the N2 device is set up right |
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| 20:21.06 | fachrat | GI_Jack, i think its because of the change to grub2 |
| 20:21.09 | valdyn | AthomIk: order your sound cards by creating a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ containing "options snd-hda-intel index=0" |
| 20:21.13 | fachrat | dunno |
| 20:21.29 | valdyn | AthomIk: replace snd-hda-intel with your sound driver and add another line with index=1 for example, for the 2nd card |
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| 20:23.11 | GI_Jack | fachrat: I think so too, why they changed everything in grub2 is a mystery to me |
| 20:23.28 | AthomIk | valdyn ok i try |
| 20:23.42 | AthomIk | pipeline: i read this web site thx |
| 20:23.48 | karlpinc | GI_Jack: Because it's better? You can still use grub1 until weezey if you like, but you man as well rtfm and get used to using grub2. |
| 20:24.04 | pipeline | AthomIk: I don't know what else is on that site, I just intended to direct you to the shell script embedded in the page |
| 20:24.12 | fachrat | After the upgrad to Debian 6, kdm doesnt start anymore. I already had a look in xorg.conf: its not because the driver, the free "nv" is used... where do I start? |
| 20:24.14 | karlpinc | GI_Jack: The info pages for grub1 were really good. I assume grub2 has good stuff there too. |
| 20:24.24 | justin_ | fachrat: the xorg log |
| 20:24.32 | JyZyXEL | "On-line shrinking from 7300095 to 7300063 not supported." |
| 20:24.50 | JyZyXEL | whats the minimum on-line shrink ext4 can do? |
| 20:25.03 | GI_Jack | karlpinc: whats better about it?? |
| 20:25.09 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: can it do online shrinking at all? |
| 20:25.16 | fachrat | justin_, Fatal error: no screens found :) |
| 20:25.24 | JyZyXEL | jelly-home: i guess so? |
| 20:25.31 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: where did you read that? |
| 20:25.36 | GI_Jack | it seems needlessly complicated |
| 20:25.39 | JyZyXEL | i just guessed |
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| 20:25.46 | karlpinc | fachrat: And checking that nv isn't replaced by something else for your specific card. Find the pciid (like [xxx:yyy]) and type in irc "/msg judd pciid [xxx:yyy]" and it'll list the supported drivers. |
| 20:26.06 | karlpinc | GI_Jack: Needlessly until you need it to do something that grub1 does not. |
| 20:26.12 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: ext3 can't be shrunk online. Why did you guess ext4 could be? |
| 20:26.29 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 20:26.36 | JyZyXEL | i guess it can't then |
| 20:26.43 | fachrat | karlpinc, does lspci give me that pci-id? |
| 20:26.48 | karlpinc | GI_Jack: For one thing it seems to autodetect operating systems, so there's less need for anybody to have to, say, add an entry that chainloads windows. |
| 20:26.52 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: stop guessing and find what the docs say, I guess |
| 20:26.54 | karlpinc | fachrat: No. "lspci -nn" |
| 20:27.05 | fachrat | thx |
| 20:27.09 | GI_Jack | still, they split the configuration of it up in at least three diffrent places |
| 20:28.00 | karlpinc | GI_Jack: It probably helps with programs that want to frob the configs. I'm not up on grub2. Maybe there's crap built in. The only way to tell is to read the docs and take it up with the designers. |
| 20:28.26 | karlpinc | GI_Jack: (Like package managers, like memttest86+, that need to add a boot entry.) |
| 20:28.33 | karlpinc | s/tt/t/ |
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| 20:29.26 | fachrat | karlpinc, so, wrong driver is used: just changing it in the xorg.conf or do I have to do smth. else? |
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| 20:30.29 | michlemken | what is the name of the current testing release? |
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| 20:31.35 | brunoramos | michlemken, The current "testing" distribution is wheezy. - http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 20:31.45 | bughunter21 | Hey, you know that e2fsck warns when the file system is still mounted, because continuing could cause fs damage, right? Why is it, that e2fsck will happily continue if you run it on the root fs (provided the root fs is mounted as read-only) ? Somehow root fs won't get damaged? Assumably not, so then my question is , why not? |
| 20:31.59 | michlemken | brunoramos, thanks |
| 20:32.15 | brunoramos | You are welcome michlemken. |
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| 20:37.56 | AthomIk | :q! |
| 20:37.59 | quuxman | Is there a way to check if I can write to a file without actually opening it, or is there no reason to not just open for writing, catch an exception, and then close it? |
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| 20:38.19 | michlemken | is bad to switch from squeeze to wheezy, now? |
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| 20:40.30 | GI_Jack | you know what nevermind, grub2 does some autoconfiguration |
| 20:40.36 | GI_Jack | I'll live with it |
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| 20:40.55 | miguel000 | Can someone suggest a lightweight pdf viewer? |
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| 20:41.02 | Ticho | xpdf is very lightweight |
| 20:41.10 | michlemken | quuxman, just try open it, but you might get no exception - the stream may return an error instead |
| 20:41.11 | nvz | does anyone have any thoughts on why when I record videos with istanbul or gtk-recordmydesktop.etc. and they ouput OGV I cannot transcode or edit them? |
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| 20:41.24 | brunoramos | michlemken, it depends on what you want to do. If it's for a personal computer I don't see a problem on using wheezy(testing). For a server I would recomend you to stay with squeeze(stable). |
| 20:41.24 | miguel000 | thx Ticho |
| 20:41.42 | nvz | the system plays them in ALL movie players, but if I try using VLC, Mencoder, Avidemux, Kdenlive.. they all choak on trying to read the file |
| 20:41.45 | fachrat | karlpinc, the website tells me smth. different than judd here in IRC, but changing from nv to nouveau |
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| 20:42.12 | fachrat | karlpinc, did help. How do I file this info? |
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| 20:42.27 | brunoramos | miguel000, I use evince-gtk. You can give it a try if you don't like xpdf. |
| 20:42.35 | michlemken | brunoramos, thanks again - it is my debian at home |
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| 20:46.26 | AthomIk | valdyn: if i install pulseaudio how i can desactivated alsa ? |
| 20:46.36 | jhutchins | !squeeze->wheezy |
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| 20:46.56 | Arrowmaster | if you install pulse and remove alsa you might end up with no working sound |
| 20:47.02 | katsrc | anyone use youtube-dl? |
| 20:47.12 | michlemken | getting 700 packages ....mmm |
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| 20:48.24 | jhutchins | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:48.25 | dpkg | Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2184 packages where changed in wheezy. That's about 14% of the archive changing.) Good luck... you're going to need it. |
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| 20:49.00 | zen_monkey | is there a way of mounting an hdd so that normal users can copy/create/del files/folders on it? |
| 20:49.03 | mutante | the dist-upgrade JUST completed when you said that:) |
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| 20:49.41 | jhutchins | zen_monkey: Of course there is. |
| 20:50.14 | jhutchins | zen_monkey: The user home directories are writable, aren't they? |
| 20:50.35 | zen_monkey | jhutchins: it's a second hdd |
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| 20:50.50 | zen_monkey | jhutchins: i've added it to fstab |
| 20:50.51 | Arrowmaster | depends on the filesystem |
| 20:50.52 | jhutchins | zen_monkey: Doesn't matter, works the same way as the first one. |
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| 20:51.30 | zen_monkey | jhutchins: but i can only write on it as root |
| 20:51.53 | Arrowmaster | what filesystem is it using? |
| 20:51.54 | zen_monkey | i want to be able of such with normal users |
| 20:51.58 | amigo1 | Hola amigos. People help please. I am trying to use WD 500GB hard drive memory USB device on my laptop (Debian). Getting error: Cannot mount volume :(. It works well on Win7 on my other laptop. Any ideas how can I use it on Debian? |
| 20:52.25 | amigo1 | Thank you. Gracias. |
| 20:52.25 | zen_monkey | Arrowmaster: ext4 |
| 20:52.33 | michlemken | maybe the mount point is the problem |
| 20:52.36 | zen_monkey | amigo1: ntfs o fat? |
| 20:52.52 | Arrowmaster | then you have to change either ownership or permissions with chown and chmod |
| 20:52.56 | zen_monkey | michlemken: mount point is /media/hdd |
| 20:53.00 | amigo1 | what mount point sorry? |
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| 20:53.20 | amigo1 | how can I change it? |
| 20:53.27 | zen_monkey | amigo1: wich filesystem does it use? |
| 20:53.29 | amigo1 | the mount point? |
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| 20:54.16 | michlemken | zen_monkey, and a 'normal' users permissions ? |
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| 20:54.41 | amigo1 | hmmm which system? You mean WD? |
| 20:54.44 | zen_monkey | michlemken: on the mount point? |
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| 20:54.55 | zen_monkey | amigo1: yes |
| 20:55.03 | zen_monkey | amigo1: ntfs i guess |
| 20:55.12 | amigo1 | ok then how can I access mount point to chck? |
| 20:55.14 | jhutchins | zen_monkey: http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-disks.html |
| 20:55.40 | amigo1 | as I said it works well on win7 so I guess ... |
| 20:55.53 | amigo1 | this is windows file system :( |
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| 20:56.12 | amigo1 | but does it matter? |
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| 20:57.35 | amigo1 | Message says: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Elements'. |
| 20:57.37 | zen_monkey | amigo1: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdxX /where/to/mount |
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| 20:57.48 | amigo1 | so it recognizes the device |
| 20:58.29 | queso | Does aptitude honor the order of the packages you specify when figuring out dependancies?? e.g., sudo aptitude install package1 package2 |
| 20:58.39 | zen_monkey | amigo1: sorry but got to go, have class in half n hour :p luck with that... |
| 20:58.40 | amigo1 | ok what should I specify at /where/to/mount ? |
| 20:58.45 | zen_monkey | !ntfs |
| 20:58.46 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:58.46 | mutante | dpkg: libdb-dev |
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| 20:59.57 | zen_monkey | jhutchins: i g2g class, i'll read that and come back later if i still can't thx |
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| 21:03.27 | Iridos | queso, how would it do that |
| 21:04.20 | queso | Iridos: Not sure. If package2 needs package1 as a dependency, should they be installed in two sequential commands? |
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| 21:05.22 | Iridos | queso, the command means "install them both". This is a logical "AND", I can't see what the difference should be when you exchange them |
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| 21:08.09 | IceClaw | Where can i get a cloak? |
| 21:08.19 | Bushmills | Iridos: not installing package1 explicitely allow package management to mark package1 as automatically installed. advantage is that it can be uninstalled automatically when it is not needed anymore (when package2 is uninstalled) |
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| 21:10.05 | Bushmills | IceClaw: http://www.cloakmaker.com/avail_cloaks.html |
| 21:10.25 | crn | i'm trying a safe-upgrade from lenny to squeeze. is this going to work? |
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| 21:11.11 | pipeline | crn: Maybe, but it's not guaranteed to |
| 21:11.27 | pipeline | crn: you probaly want to do a dist-upgrade |
| 21:11.42 | crn | pipeline, thanks. what's the difference? |
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| 21:12.24 | do0ob | is unhappy with libre office :( |
| 21:12.34 | do0ob | it starts with lib, i end up thinking its a library -_- |
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| 21:14.02 | Iridos | Bushmills, yes... but he was asking about the order of them, no? |
| 21:14.06 | miguel000 | Im looking for some lightweight filexplorer, that will also allow me to open files directly, and show thumbnails of picutres to sort some terribly messed up folders |
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| 21:14.54 | panfist | i was thinking of trying out debian but i was wondering about what kernel version it uses and what's debian's policy/plan to include new kernels |
| 21:14.58 | Bushmills | Iridos: meant to highlight queso, actually. sorry |
| 21:14.59 | Iridos | queso, indeed, if one depends on the other, there is no need to specify the one that depends on the other... apt takes care of dependencies, that's its job |
| 21:15.15 | panfist | i have heard about a lot of improvements in newer kernels that sounds really cool but i don't know when those would apply to debian users |
| 21:15.28 | Iridos | Bushmills, ah... but perhaps his first question really wasn't clear |
| 21:15.30 | crn | dist-upgrade wants to remove gnome. |
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| 21:16.10 | queso | Iridos: The package that I'm talking about is etckeeper. I want to use git with it instead of bzr. If git is not installed, it will install bzr. |
| 21:16.17 | rgr | why would debian Wheezy have a newer version of a core package than SID? |
| 21:16.22 | Bushmills | Iridos: sounded to me as he thought that he had to resolve dependencies himself |
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| 21:17.52 | Iridos | queso, ah, I see... use aptitude, it will show you the solution it arrives at for a specific dependency problem |
| 21:18.21 | Iridos | (both should try to find a solution to the problem you posed, i.e. how to get both packages installed) |
| 21:18.34 | do0ob | miguel000: have you tried thunar? |
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| 21:19.38 | queso | Iridos: If I were to try to get etckeeper installed/configured with a script, I suppose I would have to install git-core and then install etckeeper so it resolves the way I want? |
| 21:19.59 | nvz | !ops sdcsff on join spam |
| 21:19.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nvz complains about: sdcsff on join spam |
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| 21:20.51 | miguel000 | do0ob: no yet |
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| 21:21.23 | AthomIk | alsa debian seem no read the .asoundrc ..... |
| 21:22.06 | amigo1 | Hi zen_monkey! Thanks for the help with the NTFS. Looks like it works well for me, but how can I change permissions for /mnt/windows? chmod 777 /mnt/windows doesn't do the thing :( |
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| 21:22.59 | AthomIk | amigo1: mount with ntfs-3g for read acces |
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| 21:23.07 | AthomIk | and write |
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| 21:23.33 | Iridos | queso, just try it in one go, or even by just specifying etckeeper... even apt-get has a --dry-run to show you the result (but yes, installing git-core first should fulfill that dependency, so no additional packages would be installed) |
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| 21:24.48 | amigo1 | Does it mean it should look like this: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows |
| 21:24.54 | queso | Iridos: okay, thanks for your help |
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| 21:25.50 | AthomIk | amigo1: ntfs-3g [-o option[,...]] <device|image_file> <mount_point> |
| 21:26.21 | AthomIk | ntfs-3g /disk /mnt work i think |
| 21:26.34 | capitan__ | damn... the bash-completion is cool and sucks all at once |
| 21:26.39 | amigo1 | Itsays : unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' |
| 21:26.50 | AthomIk | amigo try ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows |
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| 21:27.02 | AthomIk | no mount -t before |
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| 21:27.10 | capitan__ | it doesn't let you tab complete ~userna like you can without it |
| 21:27.18 | Iridos | queso, mind that doesn't necessarily mean it will automatically use that - you probably will have to configure it to do so |
| 21:27.29 | capitan__ | on the other hand, it won't let you 'cd' into a file, which is cool ;) |
| 21:27.30 | amigo1 | That is what I've just tried: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows |
| 21:27.44 | AthomIk | amigo try ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows |
| 21:27.45 | queso | Iridos: yes, I just don't want bzr installing ;) |
| 21:28.34 | AthomIk | amigo1: have you install ntfs-3g |
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| 21:28.43 | AthomIk | aptitude install ntfs-3g |
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| 21:29.31 | simonrvn | i like zsh's better |
| 21:29.35 | amigo1 | No I have no ntfs-3g |
| 21:29.50 | AthomIk | amigo1: install this |
| 21:29.52 | AthomIk | aptitude install ntfs-3g |
| 21:30.12 | amigo1 | Does it not work with the "chmod" ? |
| 21:30.26 | cusco | nope |
| 21:30.33 | cusco | you can mount it read only with ntfs |
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| 21:30.45 | cusco | mount -t ntfs /dev/bla /mnt/ |
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| 21:34.29 | AthomIk | cusco: but i have in my fstab some ntfs, and i can write.... in fstab debian use ntfs-3g is present ? |
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| 21:36.07 | miguel000 | how can I change the colors that all buttons etc are displayed under X? |
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| 21:37.36 | sacredchao | I switched from LXDE to KDE, and now all my GTK+ apps have this terribly loud system beep when I hit delete and there is nothing to delete |
| 21:37.42 | sacredchao | All my QT apps are silent though |
| 21:38.22 | cusco | AthomIk: you mean ntfs-3g instead |
| 21:38.24 | cusco | ntfs module has only read support as far as I'm aware |
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| 21:39.10 | AthomIk | cusco: yes, i have some ntfs mount in my fstab, and i have write access |
| 21:39.22 | AthomIk | cusco: but i have ntfs-3g installed |
| 21:39.28 | cusco | thats beacause you're using ntfs-3g (fuse) instead of ntfs |
| 21:39.28 | amigo1 | got ntfs-3g installed and now it can't see /dev/sda1 volume. It's gone after ntfs-3g installation :( |
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| 21:39.48 | cusco | amigo1: unplug it, and plug it back in |
| 21:40.02 | durando | anyone have experience with a marvell controller? |
| 21:40.15 | durando | i have one that likes to randomly drop drives off of it |
| 21:40.41 | amigo1 | Failed to access volume '/dev/sda1': No such file or directory |
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| 21:41.05 | AthomIk | amigo1: fdisk -l, you re dd is now sdb or sdc etc |
| 21:41.13 | jhutchins_lt | durando: Sounds like bad hardware to me. |
| 21:41.37 | durando | jhutchins_lt: no not bad hardware seems to be a somewhat known issue with these controllers |
| 21:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | durando: I've seen a lot of bad scsi controllers. |
| 21:42.06 | amigo1 | what is "fdisk -l" sorry? |
| 21:42.15 | AthomIk | amigo1: list of disk |
| 21:42.26 | cusco | dmesg|tail also might tell you what the last plugged usb device is |
| 21:42.45 | amigo1 | I am using dev - File Browser |
| 21:42.55 | amigo1 | it ok I can run fdisk |
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| 21:43.12 | jhutchins_lt | amigo1: http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-disks.html |
| 21:43.58 | panfist | sorry for the basic question: is wheezy a separate installation from squeeze, or do you upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 21:44.00 | amigo1 | got it |
| 21:44.09 | amigo1 | it is under sdb1 now |
| 21:44.24 | tharkun | Where is supposed to log sshd? |
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| 21:44.37 | cusco | panfist: you may upgrade but I'm not aware of possible consequences |
| 21:44.37 | AthomIk | amigo1: yes plug and unplug, sometime can change order |
| 21:45.16 | AthomIk | me i restart gdm and loose my hdmi sound :( hard is the sound :D |
| 21:45.33 | panfist | you 'may' upgrade to it, ok. is it possible to install wheezy from scratch, skipping over squeeze? |
| 21:45.59 | AthomIk | panfist: i think cd install exist on debian web |
| 21:46.23 | amigo1 | sdb1 gone again |
| 21:46.27 | amigo1 | :( |
| 21:47.29 | rgr | amigo1: consider using UUIDs for your devices in the fstab file. |
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| 21:49.03 | panfist | i feel pretty stupid because i can't find any downloads of a wheezy installer. if i search 'debian wheezy iso' or 'debian wheezy torrent' it shows me results of packages in the wheezy repos that have iso or torrent in the name |
| 21:49.19 | amigo1 | this is crazy. sdb1 is gone then unplugged and operation not supported when it is available and device is plugged in |
| 21:49.30 | valdyn | panfist: dont use the wheezy installer, use the squeeze installer |
| 21:49.33 | AthomIk | amigo1: hummm |
| 21:49.38 | panfist | ok |
| 21:49.46 | panfist | thanks |
| 21:49.50 | valdyn | panfist: you can upgrade later or whenver you want |
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| 21:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | !tell panfist about squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:50.18 | panfist | is there a practical way to sandbox the squeeze installation from the wheezy upgrade? |
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| 21:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | panfist: seperate partition. |
| 21:50.50 | valdyn | panfist: that is not an upgrade then, is it? |
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| 21:51.05 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 21:51.05 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 21:51.12 | panfist | well, a separate partition, no...\ |
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| 21:51.30 | jhutchins_lt | You can also boot to a live CD, duplicate the squeeze partition, then upgrade that. |
| 21:51.36 | amigo1 | they suggest to run it this way "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows -o force" |
| 21:52.04 | amigo1 | shall the -o force make no harm to me? |
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| 21:52.39 | AthomIk | amigo1: you have usb disk on sdb now ? |
| 21:52.49 | valdyn | amigo1: why would you need force? |
| 21:52.53 | amigo1 | USB |
| 21:53.06 | AthomIk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.19 | amigo1 | that doesn't work |
| 21:53.27 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 21:53.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 21:53.43 | cusco | the -o force its because it was not clean umounted before, the ntfs log needs reseting |
| 21:53.47 | amigo1 | Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Operation not supported |
| 21:53.48 | cusco | there is no harm done, you can use it |
| 21:54.05 | panfist | wow the debian bot is condescending |
| 21:54.24 | amigo1 | Choice 2: If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option for |
| 21:54.24 | amigo1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.41 | amigo1 | That's what they say |
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| 21:55.02 | amigo1 | ok I am going for it |
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| 21:56.31 | amigo1 | it worked :) thank you guys |
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| 21:57.39 | Technicus | egetg, what do you want from me? |
| 21:59.01 | AthomIk | valdyn: strange i have reboot and sound run, on hdmi for screen on hdmi & on pc speaker for screen pc |
| 21:59.17 | AthomIk | what s is gdm and alsa ????? |
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| 22:01.47 | khaleel5000 | on squeeze |
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| 22:02.23 | RichiH | khaleel5000: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:08.16 | pelandrit | hello folks, how can i run a remote rsync on a specific port (not 22 but 3131 for example) without using the daemon mode? i try to run it like that: rsync -avzb --port=3131 --include-from=origenes.txt root@domain:/ /root/backupserver |
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| 22:09.03 | Bushmills | pelandrit: you can connect to remote rsync through ssh |
| 22:09.03 | dondelelcaro | pelandrit: uh... how do you expect rsync to listen on a specific port if it's not a daemon? |
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| 22:09.20 | dondelelcaro | I mean, it doesn't need to detach, but it certainly has to be in the "daemon" mode |
| 22:09.21 | otis | ? DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 22:09.31 | Bushmills | that effectively starts it |
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| 22:14.43 | jhutchins | pelandrit: You can use xinetd |
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| 22:15.17 | erAbuelo | hasta mañana |
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| 22:24.10 | pelandrit | Bushmills: well, i tink that was i was doing, the message that returns is "ssh: connect to host domain port 22: Connection refused" |
| 22:25.00 | Bushmills | you need sshd running on that machine |
| 22:25.10 | pelandrit | so i think is using ssh (port 22), in the man of rsync talks about the --port option to change that port |
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| 22:25.40 | pelandrit | yes Bushmills i have ssh running but not at port 22 |
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| 22:25.46 | anddam | hello |
| 22:25.56 | pelandrit | if you remember i want to connect on other port |
| 22:26.11 | Bushmills | pass -e option to rsync, specifying ssh, host name and port |
| 22:26.17 | anddam | which one of lxde/xfce4 can use gnome-keyring? |
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| 22:26.33 | anddam | I'd like to install a DE without the ~2GB of Gnome |
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| 22:28.05 | pelandrit | Bushmills: -e option? are you sure? the rsync man say "-e, --rsh=COMMAND specify the remote shell to use" |
| 22:28.34 | dvs | anddam: The Desktop Environment during the installation *is* Gnome. |
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| 22:28.47 | karlpinc | pelandrit: Yes. The ssh command will control the host and port used. |
| 22:28.55 | Bushmills | yes. that's the shell which executes remote rsync |
| 22:28.59 | anddam | dvs: but maybe someone perform "the installation" with netinstall |
| 22:29.03 | anddam | performs* |
| 22:29.41 | anddam | and how pointing that out answer my question? |
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| 22:30.09 | karlpinc | anddam: You can often use any sort of application with any desktop. Just install your desktop and install gnome-keyring. No matter what you do gnome-keyring will only use the apps that it's able to be used with. |
| 22:30.22 | dvs | andatche: You can install a desktop environment after the install. But if you select "Desktop Environment" during the install, you get Gnome. |
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| 22:30.46 | karlpinc | anddam: (I often install a minimal debian and then install xorg, some desktop, and whatever else I want manually.) |
| 22:30.47 | anddam | karlpinc: ok, I thought there was some gnome-magic behind the scene |
| 22:30.56 | anddam | karlpinc: that's what I do |
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| 22:31.07 | anddam | never been a big gnome fan |
| 22:31.11 | karlpinc | anddam: I'm not sure. There may be some desktop-interoperability magic that's required for things to work together. |
| 22:31.43 | karlpinc | anddam: But the package manager should make sure that any pre-requesites are installed. |
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| 22:32.56 | karlpinc | anddam: You may or may not want to use aptitude -R to install the gnome-keyring, just to keep from pulling in more of gnome than you have to. (But see the <why recommends> factoid.) |
| 22:33.16 | anddam | I will |
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| 22:35.32 | anddam | if I install something with -R can I install recommended packages later on? |
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| 22:40.53 | mlundblad | how come on my updated wheezy system "aptitude search eclipse" shows no results? |
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| 22:41.01 | M4X | can someone tell me where I can DL debian testing CD? I've ruined three CDs now :'( |
| 22:41.18 | M4X | or how to change my package list to update to wheezy |
| 22:41.21 | mlundblad | is eclipse currently uninstallable in testing? |
| 22:42.23 | themill | M4X: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 22:43.58 | M4X | themill: whats that now? |
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| 22:45.44 | anddam | bye |
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| 22:49.21 | jelly-home | M4X: why do you want testing at this early point in the cycle? It's rather broken. |
| 22:49.50 | jelly-home | M4X: or let me restate, what is it that you're missing in the current stable release? |
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| 22:50.13 | M4X | jelly-home: just because I couldn't figure out how to accomplish it. wiko told me how to do it. honestly I am wanting iceweasel 4 and can't figure out how to grab it. |
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| 22:50.41 | themill | doesn't mozilla.debian.net have iceweasel 4 packages for squeeze? |
| 22:50.47 | jelly-home | M4X: get firefox 4 tarball directly from mozilla instead |
| 22:50.58 | jelly-home | iceweasel's crap anyway |
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| 22:51.00 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 22:51.20 | M4X | lol thanks gentlemen. I recently switched from ubuntu and I am trying to learn everything as I go. |
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| 22:51.23 | themill | M4X: wanting a newer browser isn't a great reason to put yourself through the pain of using wheezy at this stage. |
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| 22:52.19 | M4X | That makes sense. I just was trying to learn the ropes. I'll grab it from mozilla I appreciate the help. |
| 22:52.21 | jelly-home | M4X: Firefox is one of the rare software bits that has reasonable update procedures even when it's not managed by Debian |
| 22:52.52 | themill | M4X: (or look at mozilla.debian.net) |
| 22:53.21 | jelly-home | themill: do they guarantee timely security updates? |
| 22:54.09 | M4X | do any of you use adb? |
| 22:54.11 | themill | possibly? probably? (does mozilla?) |
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| 22:54.30 | Iridos | mlundblad, missing main? updated list when the repo was unavailable? |
| 22:54.40 | Iridos | judd, versions eclipse |
| 22:54.40 | jelly-home | (the latter: they will once 4.0 is released) |
| 22:54.41 | judd | Package eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze1; sid: 3.5.2-9; wheezy: 3.5.2-9 |
| 22:55.27 | jelly-home | themill: hell, if mozilla didn't, who would use the thing |
| 22:56.25 | mlundblad | hmm, it "sees" it if I change the mirror from .se.debian to .de.debian and do an aptitude update |
| 22:56.37 | mlundblad | it dissappears when changing back... |
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| 23:07.33 | rgr | wheezy is the new testing right? If so how come its got a newer libgnutls26 than SID? |
| 23:07.59 | themill | it doesn't? |
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| 23:08.53 | rgr | http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=libgnutls26++&search_on=smart&distro=0&arch=32-bit&exact=0 |
| 23:09.09 | simonrvn | ,versions libgnutls26 |
| 23:09.09 | judd | Package libgnutls26 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; squeeze: 2.8.6-1; sid: 2.10.5-1; wheezy: 2.10.5-1; experimental: 2.11.7-1 |
| 23:09.24 | rgr | the reason I ask is that I want to use the emacs 24 (emacs-snapshot) and it works on one squeeze but not on a newly installed one. |
| 23:09.42 | simonrvn | hm, i wonder how 2.10.5-1 is bigger than 2.10.5-1 |
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| 23:10.00 | themill | rgr: maybe you should use packages.debian.org not some other random website |
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| 23:10.31 | rgr | ah yes, random website. silly me. |
| 23:10.37 | themill | http://packages.debian.org/libgnutls26 |
| 23:11.18 | rgr | rats. what the hell has emacs-snapshot done to need the new libgnutls then. bah. Weird. installed fine on one squeeze machine but not on another. |
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| 23:11.36 | simonrvn | exsqueeze me |
| 23:12.02 | abrotman | a baking powder? |
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| 23:13.28 | simonrvn | baking *soda* |
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| 23:13.44 | abrotman | powder! |
| 23:13.51 | simonrvn | *soda* |
| 23:13.52 | rgr | or powder. |
| 23:14.02 | simonrvn | *soda soda soda* |
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| 23:28.35 | simonrvn | drops the soda |
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| 23:30.24 | Bushmills | sounds like the shit is hitting the fan now in fukushima. |
| 23:30.36 | abrotman | ECHAN ? |
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| 23:32.48 | rking | Wow, I must be dumber than an inanimate object. I am having trouble linking my debian system to the SD card storage in this android phone |
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| 23:34.55 | rking | surely you don't have to pop the card itself out... do you? |
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| 23:38.46 | abrotman | rking: is it still in the phone? |
| 23:38.52 | rking | abrotman: yep |
| 23:39.00 | rking | and dmesg recognizes a lot... |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | rking: is your phone in data mode? |
| 23:39.18 | rking | abrotman: I'm not at all sure. |
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| 23:39.53 | abrotman | rking: on mine, Settings->Connect to PC->Default Connection Type |
| 23:40.03 | rking | [1303830.046412] sd 12:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 |
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| 23:41.24 | abrotman | the phone still has to allow it |
| 23:41.39 | rking | abrotman: Good clue.. I kept just trying stuff on the PC side. I don't have a "data mode", instead a bunch of others... |
| 23:41.57 | rking | Disk drive has got to be it |
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| 23:42.18 | rking | Where does the device appear? |
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| 23:42.39 | rking | I see it under nautilus's "Computer", but /mnt is empty. |
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| 23:43.50 | abrotman | rking: perhaps /media/ ? |
| 23:43.55 | rking | I tried a udev rule: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{0ff9}=="0bb4", MODE="0666" |
| 23:43.56 | abrotman | rking: fdisk -l might help |
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| 23:44.31 | rking | abrotman: For you where does it go? |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | dunno, i don't plug my phone into a pc but to charge it ... |
| 23:44.50 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | do you want me to try it? |
| 23:45.38 | rking | abrotman: hehe... not necessary. I'll just pop out the card for now. |
| 23:46.00 | _pepo_ | How do I make a firewall (with Debian) to block ares galaxy? |
| 23:46.22 | abrotman | rking: /dev/sdb1 on /media/3739-3534 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush) |
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| 23:47.35 | rking | abrotman: cool... good clue (btw I can't use the card because it's MicroSD, and my PC only has SD) |
| 23:47.59 | abrotman | yeah .. phones are generally like that .. they make adapter cards |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | rking: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208503 ... for example |
| 23:50.18 | rking | abrotman: OK, we're up! I don't know exactly what pushed it through, but I'm not on exactly the same mount like yours. I think it was turning the phone all the way off. |
| 23:50.24 | rking | abrotman: Makes sense. |
| 23:50.33 | rking | abrotman: It would be cool to put that in a floppy |
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| 23:50.50 | abrotman | rking: i turned off that 'data drive' after i lost my pictures .. not sure who was at fault .. could have been a drunken idiot thing :) |
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| 23:53.06 | pxed | hey guys, this entirely unrelated to debian, but i'm attempting to track down a chan that would know something about fax machines |
| 23:53.09 | pxed | any ideas? |
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| 23:55.07 | abrotman | pxed: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 23:55.12 | abrotman | #defocus ? |
| 23:55.25 | rking | abrotman: Thanks, btw |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 23:55.50 | pxed | will try, danke |
| 23:55.59 | rking | pxed: Maybe ##electronics |
| 23:56.11 | pxed | tried electronics, they suggested i reboot -.- |
| 23:56.16 | rking | Ahh. =) |
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| 23:56.36 | AthomIk_ | bye all |
| 23:56.49 | rking | pxed: Try asking the actual question |
| 23:56.55 | pxed | i did |
| 23:57.52 | An0ne | What was your question? |
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| 23:59.01 | pxed | oh, in here? i have a fax machine that will send but won't receive |
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