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| 00:02.17 | FDfh | Hi, when I boot debian I manually create an ssh tunnel (ssh foo@bar -f -N -D 8080). Is there a way to do this automatically when I boot? I have to provide a password, but I'm not sure how to do that automatically... |
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| 00:31.44 | jargon- | wifi working now. installing gnome. thanks everybody for your patience and help with this :-) |
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| 01:01.24 | massmc_ | hello everyone, I am trying to read a ext4 partition in debian.. installed e2fsprogs, still doesnt read it.. am i missing something? |
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| 01:03.21 | Heyoka | the problem is your kernel version |
| 01:03.24 | Heyoka | I think |
| 01:04.21 | Heyoka | you have to compile a newer version of kernel linux or upgrade by testing or sid repositories your kernel |
| 01:05.12 | craigevil | massmc_: install the 2.6.32 kernel from backports |
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| 01:12.55 | iluminator101 | i think my laptop is overheating is there way to increase the fan speed |
| 01:13.20 | massmc_ | craigevil, I added the lenny backports to repos but getting a no public key error |
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| 01:14.03 | abrotman | massmc_: read the rest of the instructions there |
| 01:14.33 | BlackFate | iluminator101, fancontrol but i would suggest cleaning up your laptop from dust and check again before installing any kind of program |
| 01:15.17 | iluminator101 | how dust off and unscrewing it |
| 01:16.14 | rodjek | iluminator101: screwdriver and a can of compressed air |
| 01:16.20 | BlackFate | iluminator101, well that's the tricky part. But it's feasible |
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| 01:16.52 | BlackFate | iluminator101, what are your temps in the first place? |
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| 01:19.42 | iluminator101 | 72 68 71 72 |
| 01:20.32 | seeker7 | there use to be a website that had all kinds of already developed code for menus for websites etc. does anyone know what that might be dev was in the url somewhere |
| 01:20.58 | BlackFate | iluminator101, well that's indeed hot for idle temps |
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| 01:22.20 | abrotman | seeker7: #web ? |
| 01:23.45 | iluminator101 | thanks i will clean that out soon |
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| 01:26.43 | seeker7 | abrotman: ok thanks. |
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| 01:35.11 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
| 01:35.21 | SineDeviance | so... debian is awesome :D |
| 01:35.41 | SineDeviance | now i see why so many good distros are built on it |
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| 01:36.39 | sal_ | SineDeviance I still use debian |
| 01:36.45 | dvs | SineDeviance: no complaint?!?! |
| 01:36.55 | SineDeviance | sal_: before last night i had never used debian before |
| 01:37.16 | sal_ | Which did you use before |
| 01:37.34 | SineDeviance | dvs: nope. i had a little trouble getting fglrx to compile because i'm using a custom kernel, but otherwise, everything worked fine. i also have bleeding-edge hardware, which is why i needed the custom kernel |
| 01:38.10 | SineDeviance | it's lenny stable with the backported 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 kernel. i had to recompile it to add support for my ethernet ca4rd |
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| 01:38.36 | SineDeviance | sal_: ubuntu, dreamlinux, gOS, red hat 9 back in the day, mandriva back in the day, and fedora. |
| 01:38.59 | dvs | ethernet card? i'm surprised one doesn'y work with debian |
| 01:38.59 | sal_ | mmmm. I used these five years ago |
| 01:39.14 | SineDeviance | dvs: it's a brand new mainboard. a gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 |
| 01:39.31 | SineDeviance | dvs: it has a realtek GBE chipset. they aren't supported in stock lenny. |
| 01:39.44 | SineDeviance | so i had to go with a much newer kernel |
| 01:40.00 | dvs | ok. stock lenny I can see |
| 01:40.08 | SineDeviance | i came here because ubuntu got really bloated and slow, and dreamlinux is nice but not yet stable. |
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| 01:40.32 | dvs | One of my motherboard's NIC isn't supported by stock lenny either (RTL8111C) |
| 01:41.32 | SineDeviance | dvs: thats what i have. the RTL8111/8168B |
| 01:41.37 | SineDeviance | runs on the pci-e bus |
| 01:41.46 | SineDeviance | it is supported in backported kernels. |
| 01:42.00 | SineDeviance | you might have to recompile to add the actual module, but the kernel itself will accept it |
| 01:42.45 | dvs | SineDeviance: I didn't have to recompile a module. I just had to add the firmware-ralink package |
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| 01:43.46 | SineDeviance | dvs: really? i tried that but it wouldn't work. the kernel still complained about the missing module |
| 01:44.00 | SineDeviance | my card must be a little different than yours or something |
| 01:44.12 | dvs | SineDeviance: I'm using the r8169 module |
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| 01:44.58 | SineDeviance | dvs: ahh. i am on the r8168 |
| 01:46.07 | dvs | SineDeviance: I'm guessing that all you had to do to use the r8168 module was to turn off the autonegotiation (or get a gigabit router) |
| 01:46.23 | SineDeviance | dvs: well, i do have a gigabit router |
| 01:46.36 | SineDeviance | so that probably made things easier |
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| 01:46.45 | SineDeviance | i've had no problems after getting the kernel setup |
| 01:46.55 | HermanDE | Anybody up on Exim? |
| 01:47.13 | dvs | SineDeviance: as long as it works. |
| 01:47.20 | SineDeviance | dvs: exactly |
| 01:48.18 | SineDeviance | one thing i still haven't figured out |
| 01:48.45 | SineDeviance | how can i setup nautilus like it is in ubuntu? where i have places menu on a left pane and it doesn't open a new window with each folder |
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| 01:48.55 | Roquentin | hey uh, anyone here speak german? |
| 01:49.09 | dvs | SineDeviance: sorry, I use iceweasel |
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| 01:49.32 | SineDeviance | dvs: iceweasel is a web browser. nautilus is the default gnome file manager. |
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| 01:51.12 | SineDeviance | ahh, figured it out |
| 01:51.33 | dvs | File Management? |
| 01:51.41 | SineDeviance | it's in nautilus > edit > prefs > behavior tab, option is "always open in browser-style windows" |
| 01:51.45 | SineDeviance | epic |
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| 01:59.03 | SineDeviance | anybody know where i can get the alpha-version 64bit flash plugin? the 32bit plugin with the wrapper isn't working |
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| 02:01.04 | abrotman | SineDeviance: doesn't exist anynmore |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | !tell SineDeviance about adobe flash |
| 02:01.34 | SineDeviance | abrotman: thanks. i just got it working though. seems i didn't have the correct flash package installed |
| 02:01.46 | SineDeviance | i installed flashplugin-mozilla instead, and now it works |
| 02:01.53 | SineDeviance | works well, too :D |
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| 02:02.47 | cupantae | hi i'm trying to work out why applications hog audio and not let anything else use it |
| 02:03.02 | SineDeviance | cupantae: using alsa or pulseaudio? |
| 02:03.08 | cupantae | alsa |
| 02:03.28 | cupantae | using squeeze; not changed much from the defaults |
| 02:03.39 | SineDeviance | cupantae: i seem to remember some setting in an alsa configurator somewhere that allows you to disable individual programs taking full control of alsa |
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| 02:04.00 | cupantae | you mean an alsa config file? |
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| 02:04.23 | SineDeviance | cupantae: well yeah, i'm sure it works with a config file somewhere. this was a text-mode app though |
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| 02:04.32 | SineDeviance | kinda like alsamixer |
| 02:04.37 | cupantae | oh ok i'll have a look |
| 02:04.48 | cupantae | oh is it like alsaconf or something... |
| 02:04.59 | SineDeviance | cupantae: try googling 'alsa applications take full control' or similar |
| 02:05.04 | SineDeviance | cupantae: perhaps, yes |
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| 02:05.31 | cupantae | yeah that's a good choice of words. i hadn't had much luck with google but i wasn't sure what to say |
| 02:05.35 | cupantae | thanks, bud |
| 02:05.52 | rubin110 | Is the current nightly boot.img for testing borked? |
| 02:05.54 | SineDeviance | cupantae: sure man, good luck. if you simply can't get alsa to work, you could always consider going to pulseaudio |
| 02:06.14 | SineDeviance | cupantae: since you're on squeeze it shouldn't be too difficult, i would imagine |
| 02:06.30 | rubin110 | It doesn't seem to want to boot. :( |
| 02:06.32 | cupantae | ok, i might look into it. thanks again! |
| 02:06.37 | SineDeviance | cupantae: sure |
| 02:06.46 | gnarface | SineDeviance: i've got a copy of that alpha 64-bit flash |
| 02:07.00 | SineDeviance | gnarface: could you upload it to filefront or similar for me? it' |
| 02:07.10 | SineDeviance | it would be good to have around in case this version suddenly stops working |
| 02:07.33 | rubin110 | The alpha 1 boot.img barfs on i386 saying there's a platform target mismatch or some such. |
| 02:08.08 | SingularityCat | Hi, can anyone help me get my floppy drive working? Why can I format a floppy disk and make a filesystem on it, but can't mount it? Output: http://paste.debian.net/81407/ |
| 02:08.10 | SineDeviance | rubin110: you're sure it's an i386 image? i've seen that error before but only when trying to boot x64 on x32 |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | rubin110: there is now an alpha2 |
| 02:08.24 | rubin110 | i386 and i386. |
| 02:08.29 | rubin110 | Tried it twice. |
| 02:08.32 | rubin110 | Will try a third time. |
| 02:08.43 | rubin110 | abrotman: Where might I be able to find this alpha2? |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | rubin110: or use a daily |
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| 02:08.54 | SineDeviance | gnarface: thanks but this may not work. my ISP doesn't usually allow DCC transfers |
| 02:08.57 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:09.06 | rubin110 | abrotman: I can't get the daily boot.img to boot under i386. |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | gnarface: i wouldn't be using that, it has severe security issues |
| 02:09.23 | rubin110 | abrotman: All I see is Alpha1 |
| 02:09.23 | SineDeviance | gnarface: yeah, it just failed |
| 02:09.23 | rubin110 | . |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | is pretty sure he saw it |
| 02:09.58 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: THat's a bit odd. Can you ls /mnt/generic? |
| 02:10.05 | abrotman | rubin110: sorry, that was for the livecd |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | rubin110: anyways .. use a daily, not the alpha1 |
| 02:10.30 | rubin110 | abrotman: Again, the daily for i386 wont boot. |
| 02:10.36 | SingularityCat | jhutchins_lt, ls returned nothing. |
| 02:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: Suggest you develop the habit of using su - to become root as opposed to sudo. |
| 02:10.43 | jhutchins_lt | sudo has quirks. |
| 02:10.48 | abrotman | rubin110: what kind of machine is it? and hwich ISO did oyu use? |
| 02:11.00 | rubin110 | i386, i386. |
| 02:11.06 | rubin110 | It's an MSI Wind netbook. |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | i meant the actual CPU, etc |
| 02:11.19 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: Try the mount without the fstype. |
| 02:11.20 | rubin110 | Atom something or other. |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | depends on the model, could be i386 or amd64 ... but i386 shuld work |
| 02:11.42 | abrotman | do you have the filename of the ISO you used? |
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| 02:11.52 | rubin110 | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:11.57 | rubin110 | And the boot.img that goes with it. |
| 02:11.59 | SingularityCat | jhutchins_lt, (using su now) # mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/generic/ |
| 02:12.17 | SingularityCat | no change :( |
| 02:12.19 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: We'll get some argument on this, but use su - |
| 02:12.23 | rubin110 | abrotman: I can't get the machine to boot off of the USB drive I've got the boot.img loaded for i386. |
| 02:12.30 | rubin110 | Daily. |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 02:12.39 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 02:12.53 | rubin110 | Blarg. |
| 02:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: The way su is supposed to work, you keep the current path/environment without the - |
| 02:12.59 | rubin110 | I know how to create a bootable usb drive. |
| 02:13.13 | rubin110 | I've done this multiple times today with the Alpha1 release. |
| 02:13.25 | rubin110 | The Alpha1 boot.img for i386 boots up fine. |
| 02:13.30 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: Debian hacked it so they'd stop hearing whining, and others have adopted the hack, but there are reasons that it works better the standard way. |
| 02:13.36 | rubin110 | The daily boot.img does not boot at all. |
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| 02:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: Take a look at dmesg and tail syslog, see if there's anything there; also fdisk -l |
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| 02:15.05 | SingularityCat | jhutchins_lt, looked in the kern log, syslog and dmesg. Only interesting line: FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! - which is merely a warning. |
| 02:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: What's uname -r show? |
| 02:15.58 | SingularityCat | jhutchins_lt, 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 02:17.00 | abrotman | rubin110: perhaps ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:17.01 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: Any feedback if you mount -v /dev/fd0? |
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| 02:18.36 | SingularityCat | jhutchins_lt, # mount -v /dev/fd0 /mnt/generic/ - output: mount: you didn't specify a filesystem type for /dev/fd0 I will try type vfat - /dev/fd0 on /mnt/generic type vfat (rw). |
| 02:19.10 | jhutchins_lt | Seems reasonable. |
| 02:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | Does it work in lenny? |
| 02:19.27 | tarkaram | I am having trouble to remotely access to my debian machine. By remote, I mean outside my home network. I considering the following approach to remotely access my machine 1. Send a list of commands in a email. 2. Have some sort of a program read the email, execute the commands and reply back with the results. |
| 02:19.29 | SingularityCat | dunno. |
| 02:19.49 | tarkaram | I am wondering if thats a viable approach or if I should focus on getting my remote access working... |
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| 02:20.01 | rubin110 | tarkaram: Learn how to use SSH. |
| 02:20.17 | rubin110 | tarkaram: Or go try Windows. |
| 02:20.31 | rubin110 | tarkaram: Or get a Mac with a MobileMe account. |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 02:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | tarkaram: Sendmail can do that. |
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| 02:21.42 | tarkaram | rubin110: I know how to use ssh, like I said.. I can not connect to my home network from outside. |
| 02:21.44 | jhutchins_lt | tarkaram: There are a lot of other options in linux though. |
| 02:21.53 | jhutchins_lt | tarkaram: Why not? |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | tarkaram: wouldn't you rather figure out the ssh problem? |
| 02:22.24 | tarkaram | I have a DSL connection.. and the IP assigned to me changes.. |
| 02:22.36 | krisfremen | dyndns |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | tarkaram: dyndns ? |
| 02:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | I mean, I can remotely manage casios in back-of-beyond Mexico from Kansas City, I'll bet you can get it to work if you try. |
| 02:23.34 | SingularityCat | jhutchins_lt, Regarding the floppy issue: any other suggestions? It seems ridiculous for floppy support to be broken in a recent kernel :/ |
| 02:23.46 | tarkaram | , dyndns |
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| 02:24.01 | abrotman | !tell tarkaram about dyndns |
| 02:24.09 | jhutchins_lt | tarkaram: Before dyndns, I used to run a cron job that wrote a text file with the current IP address to a friendly account on a public server. |
| 02:24.47 | jhutchins_lt | (The system was a DEC VMS with infinite retension of overwritten files, hilarity ensued, but the point is it can be done.) |
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| 02:25.00 | gnarface | tarkaram: how much more does a static ip cost? it's like only like 5$ extra a month where i'm at... |
| 02:25.22 | tarkaram | jhutchins_lt: thats a good idea. Will try that. |
| 02:25.53 | tarkaram | thanks folks, I hear that I am better off fixing my access issue. I wanted to get ur two cents on which approach to take. |
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| 02:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: Floppies are obsolete, if you hadn't noticed. Backward compatibility needs to be maintained, but... I'd say file a bugreport. |
| 02:26.45 | jhutchins_lt | SingularityCat: You're running testing. You're finding bugs. This counts as success. |
| 02:27.33 | SingularityCat | jhutchins_lt, True I guess. I'll search for existing ones first though. |
| 02:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, given. |
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| 02:30.26 | LtL | SingularityCat: try modprobe floppy |
| 02:31.00 | SingularityCat | LtL, been there, done that about 5 times. |
| 02:32.08 | gnarface | SingularityCat: you sure your floppy cable is plugged in the right way? |
| 02:32.18 | gnarface | red wire towards power plug |
| 02:32.48 | gnarface | crossed-over end connected to drive end |
| 02:33.23 | DogBoy | I'm impressed you know that stuff gnarface |
| 02:33.38 | gnarface | don't patronize me DogBoy |
| 02:33.39 | DogBoy | I bet you still have a big floppy drive |
| 02:33.49 | DogBoy | ouch |
| 02:33.52 | DogBoy | touchy |
| 02:34.05 | DogBoy | I was not being patronizing in any way actually |
| 02:34.11 | gnarface | sorry i'm grumpy |
| 02:34.16 | DogBoy | np |
| 02:34.18 | gnarface | i've got a few floppy drives hanging around still |
| 02:34.23 | SingularityCat | gnarface, it seems odd that formatting and mkdosfs would work with a cable the wrong way, but I'll check. |
| 02:34.24 | DogBoy | I get grumpy too |
| 02:34.27 | gnarface | every once in a while you gotta flash a bios on a really old system |
| 02:34.51 | abrotman | gnarface: though many new drives have the power atop the data connector |
| 02:35.19 | gnarface | abrotman: yea i think i have a sony branded one like that, but luckily the 1-pin is labeled |
| 02:35.37 | patterson | except on floopies |
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| 02:36.00 | gnarface | SingularityCat: if it's ambiguous, look for a little '1' silkscreened near one end of the connector. red wire should be on the 1-pin. that goes for the motherboard end too |
| 02:37.06 | patterson | why a floppy.sort of like "why a duck" |
| 02:38.10 | gnarface | remembers when floppy drives had sound cards in them |
| 02:38.20 | patterson | swell |
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| 02:38.46 | patterson | I remember when starlets grew on the Orange Trees of Hollywood |
| 02:38.56 | SingularityCat | well, the red wire is next to the power connector. |
| 02:39.51 | patterson | r a notch.or pin1. I remember when floppy drives did not have pin 1 next to the power |
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| 02:40.12 | DogBoy | I'm getting all weepy |
| 02:40.13 | Kk2 | hello, what cds i need to install debian? all? |
| 02:40.18 | patterson | heh |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | no, just the netinst if you have broadband |
| 02:40.24 | DogBoy | you need the netinstall cd |
| 02:40.25 | abrotman | !tell Kk2 about netinst |
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| 02:40.51 | gnarface | SingularityCat: at one end of the floppy cable there's a handful of the wires that are crossed over. that end is plugged into the drive end right? |
| 02:40.57 | Kk2 | nice guys, thx to much xD |
| 02:41.30 | SingularityCat | gnarface, looks fine. |
| 02:41.39 | Kk2 | and what software i can make this debian bootable for my pendrive? |
| 02:41.59 | gnarface | SingularityCat: i'm assuming you made sure it's enabled in the bios? |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | !tell Kk2 about usb install |
| 02:42.12 | Kk2 | abrotman thx man *_* |
| 02:42.20 | gnarface | SingularityCat: and you made sure pin 1 is where the red wire is on the motherboard end too? |
| 02:44.42 | SingularityCat | gnarface, surely if it was a hardware installation issue, a format and mkfs wouldn't work? Its only the mounting that dosen't work in my case. |
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| 02:46.34 | gnarface | SingularityCat: this is what i get for coming in in the middle of a conversation, sorry. |
| 02:46.49 | gnarface | SingularityCat: floppy drives and floppies can go bad... |
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| 02:47.17 | SingularityCat | gnarface, look at this and see if it makes any sense :< http://paste.debian.net/81407/ |
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| 02:48.34 | SingularityCat | Anyway, I need some sleep. Thanks for all the help! |
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| 02:52.04 | NTU | http://pastebin.com/HBxNRcbg Hi there! I'm trying to install FGLRX 10.6 on my Debian lenny install from AMD.com using --buildpkg for increased performance (regular install fetches from synaptic) and was wondering if anybody could look into my pastebin link. cp: cannot stat `./usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/linux': No such file or directory ...... I even ran ln -s /usr/lib/* /usr/X11R6/lib64 and it still didn't work.. |
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| 02:53.16 | NTU | I have non-free packages installed and all core development packages installed. build-essential, gcc, all that. kernel headers, list goes on. |
| 02:54.20 | NTU | I rather use FGLRX than open source drivers due to the fact I'm going to be running intense graphics windows games inside virtualbox,so xf86-video-ati and all that is out of the picture. |
| 02:55.04 | abrotman | you might want to try #ati if they are awake |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | but also look at apt-file |
| 02:57.53 | NTU | thanks :) |
| 02:58.22 | NTU | apt-file? |
| 02:59.05 | NTU | nvm |
| 03:00.24 | NTU | Can't get http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny-proposed-updates/Contents-amd64.gz Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
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| 03:02.16 | abrotman | that's okay |
| 03:02.25 | NTU | oh |
| 03:03.23 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
| 03:03.38 | NTU | hello! |
| 03:04.16 | SineDeviance | do any of you know how i can install a newer version of conky on lenny? i want to install conky 1.8.x, which has these unmet dependencies -> http://debian.pastebin.com/eDsdb5T2 |
| 03:04.51 | SineDeviance | from what i've read, sid does have this version of conky in the repos |
| 03:05.10 | SineDeviance | i tried to install the package itself but dependencies are unsatisfiable |
| 03:08.20 | NTU | I honestly never use Debian. I'm only on it because its super easy to run 32-bit binaries and libraries in it and has packages to simply all the cross-compiling stuff. |
| 03:09.02 | NTU | So I'm new here.. but old to GNU/Linux :) |
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| 03:17.47 | craigevil | !tell SineDeviance about ssb |
| 03:18.24 | SineDeviance | craigevil: i have the backports repo in sources.list, but the dependencies are still unsatisfiable. |
| 03:19.06 | craigevil | read the factoid, you need to add a deb-src line for sid |
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| 03:20.20 | SineDeviance | craigevil: do i need deb-src sid backports? or just any regular sid repo? |
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| 03:22.01 | craigevil | just a deb-src for sid, there is no backports repo for sid, deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 03:22.47 | craigevil | SineDeviance: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Software/Productivity/LinphoneBackportingFromSid follow that, just replace linphone with conky |
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| 03:23.18 | SineDeviance | craigevil: i DID do that, it still doesn't work |
| 03:23.43 | SineDeviance | i added this repo to sources.list -> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 03:24.01 | SineDeviance | and did aptitude update. the dependencies are still unsatisfiable |
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| 03:24.49 | craigevil | and you did the rest? apt-get build-dep conky , apt-get -b source conky |
| 03:25.30 | SineDeviance | craigevil: yes, that won't work because it can't find automake1.11 and a bunch of other stuff |
| 03:27.30 | SineDeviance | craigevil: here's the output -> http://debian.pastebin.com/TpL2LGG2 |
| 03:28.21 | SineDeviance | craigevil: i got a similar message when i tried apt-get build-dep conky |
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| 03:30.06 | ManBlue | you guys happen to be talking about conky. anyone know why it would show the back ground from my left screen, but conky is on the right? |
| 03:30.24 | craigevil | SineDeviance: :( no clue, fun stuff like that is why I run sid |
| 03:30.34 | SineDeviance | craigevil: well hey, thanks for trying to help |
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| 03:32.38 | hardbop200 | hey all - I'm looking to try something different. how is kde in squeeze? gnome is sluggish for me...is the performance any better than gnome? |
| 03:33.28 | pipeline | probably not |
| 03:33.44 | hardbop200 | hmmm |
| 03:33.54 | hardbop200 | that's a shame |
| 03:34.30 | nevyn | hardbop200: buy more ram ;) |
| 03:34.33 | gnarface | hardbop200: e16 is FAAAAST |
| 03:34.36 | hardbop200 | :) |
| 03:34.39 | hardbop200 | e16? |
| 03:34.43 | nevyn | enlightenment |
| 03:34.45 | gnarface | a really old window manager |
| 03:34.45 | hardbop200 | ah |
| 03:34.52 | hardbop200 | I'm running evilwm right now |
| 03:35.01 | nevyn | the window manager everyone considered bloated eyecandy in the 90's |
| 03:35.10 | gnarface | it's what was considered heavy and eye-candyish back in like, 1997... by today's standards it's lean and mean |
| 03:35.16 | hardbop200 | yup, I thought it was abandonded? |
| 03:35.23 | craigevil | hardbop200: give lxde a try |
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| 03:35.32 | gnarface | enlightenment 0.16 was, e16 is a fork that's maintained |
| 03:35.46 | gnarface | some bug fixes and stuff, not much else |
| 03:36.03 | gnarface | it's got great virtual desktop and multi-screen desktop support |
| 03:36.20 | gnarface | blows the doors off gnome and KDE in that respect, IMO |
| 03:36.35 | gnarface | to me a window manager is just something to open more terminals with though |
| 03:36.48 | gnarface | your mileage may vary |
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| 03:37.13 | hardbop200 | gnarface: yup, I'm getting more and more terminal-based myself |
| 03:38.01 | SineDeviance | craigevil: if i upgraded to squeeze then to sid, this would work, right? |
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| 03:38.32 | craigevil | SineDeviance: are you already running squeeze? |
| 03:38.44 | SineDeviance | craigevil: nah, lenny with a newer kernel |
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| 03:42.39 | SineDeviance | dude ... wth. it wants nvidia-settings as a dependency. i have an ati card! |
| 03:42.40 | SineDeviance | argh |
| 03:42.52 | craigevil | SineDeviance: squeeze has the same verion of conky as sid |
| 03:43.00 | craigevil | version* |
| 03:43.27 | SineDeviance | craigevil: yes but which version? i need 1.8.0, which is the newest. |
| 03:44.06 | craigevil | yes same version in testing and sid, 1.8.0-1 |
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| 03:45.13 | SineDeviance | hmm |
| 03:45.19 | SineDeviance | maybe i should upgrade to sqeeuze |
| 03:45.24 | SineDeviance | squeeze* even |
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| 03:48.24 | SineDeviance | if this fails or something i'll just install squeeze directly |
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| 03:59.17 | SineDeviance | hah... here's betting this system will fail to boot from now on |
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| 04:07.06 | lpjhjdh | I'm trying to install debian and I'm getting a mount error, where does the installer mount stuff so I can just do it myself? |
| 04:07.45 | nevyn | lpjhjdh: /target |
| 04:08.11 | lpjhjdh | awesome, thanks |
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| 04:12.31 | lpjhjdh | looks like I should have read the message when you drop into a shell :) |
| 04:13.53 | crowbar | everything working well now lpjhjdh ? |
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| 04:29.04 | Ruum | hey guys stupid question (I am asking cuz google is not helping right now) what is the config file for the java home enviro var ? |
| 04:30.09 | Ruum | I found it on the net, but now I seemed to have misplaced it. |
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| 04:41.43 | SineDeviance | if i want to install a fresh squeeze, should i use alpha 1 or the weekly? |
| 04:41.59 | SineDeviance | SOME stability is important |
| 04:42.29 | crowbar | personally, I prefer starting from stable and then dist-upgrading. |
| 04:43.13 | gnarface | that is the way i'd go too |
| 04:43.31 | SineDeviance | crowbar: yeah, well, i just tried that and now my system is unbootable :D |
| 04:43.43 | crowbar | lol that's exactly the reason why I start with stable! |
| 04:43.55 | crowbar | Did you upgrade from grub-legacy to grub-pc? |
| 04:43.59 | SineDeviance | actually, it will boot to a terminal. but X won't start and there's a lot of broken packages |
| 04:44.09 | SineDeviance | so ... basically unuseable |
| 04:44.40 | crowbar | oh, well then you're much better off than unbootable. General I find aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade several times clears that sort of issue up |
| 04:44.59 | SineDeviance | crowbar: i did aptitude full-upgrade |
| 04:45.17 | SineDeviance | let me try it |
| 04:45.26 | SineDeviance | if it doesn't work i guess i can always reinstall |
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| 04:45.41 | gnarface | SineDeviance: you might need to tweak your xorg.conf and re-install the nvidia binary drivers if you're using one of those cards |
| 04:45.48 | SineDeviance | i had broken packages before doing the upgrade though, it was caused from me trying to install conky from backports |
| 04:46.25 | SineDeviance | gnarface: i dont use nvidia, i use ATI, which is where the whole problem seemed to come from. for some reason, nvidia-glx came down in the upgrade and screwed everything |
| 04:46.32 | crowbar | Remove the backports package. I'm pretty sure backports doesn't even make sense in testing. |
| 04:46.47 | SineDeviance | crowbar: already did that before i even did the upgrade |
| 04:46.55 | SineDeviance | i had no broken packages before upgrading |
| 04:47.13 | SineDeviance | er, as in, i had none right before i did the upgrade |
| 04:47.24 | SineDeviance | X starts but freezes with a black screen |
| 04:47.36 | SineDeviance | i did install fglrx-driver but i think it's the wrong version for my card |
| 04:47.58 | SineDeviance | i have an ATI 5850. the latest official catalyst did work, but X must be running to install them. see my problem? |
| 04:48.17 | crowbar | Sorry, can't help with the ati issue. Nvidia has been so far ahead with linux drivers I haven't even considered an ati card in years. |
| 04:48.34 | SineDeviance | ati works just fine, if the distro isn't messing something up. |
| 04:48.36 | SineDeviance | just sayin. |
| 04:49.01 | gnarface | SineDeviance: pastebin your X log |
| 04:49.17 | SineDeviance | gnarface: how do i do that without X? |
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| 04:50.01 | sweetpi | !info pastebinit | SineDeviance |
| 04:50.08 | sweetpi | fail |
| 04:50.35 | SineDeviance | ahh, so if i do pastebinit /var/log/X.org.log it will upload it to pastebin? |
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| 04:51.05 | SineDeviance | well, i'm gonna go try it out |
| 04:51.06 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 04:54.24 | sweetpi | i thought dpkg(the bot) supported pipe... been spending too much time helping in #ubuntu |
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| 04:55.17 | SineDeviance | huh |
| 04:55.21 | SineDeviance | X works now |
| 04:55.27 | SineDeviance | but my refresh rate is locked at 30hz |
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| 04:55.44 | SineDeviance | i tried going into x.org and changing targetrefresh to '60' but it didn't work |
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| 04:56.03 | SineDeviance | let me install the latest ATI driver and see if that fixes anything |
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| 04:56.07 | SineDeviance | all else seems to be working though |
| 04:56.09 | SineDeviance | i am amazed |
| 04:58.46 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 05:04.29 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 05:20.10 | SineDeviance | well |
| 05:20.18 | SineDeviance | everything works except 1920x1080@60hz |
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| 05:22.47 | cafuego | nice innit |
| 05:23.00 | cafuego | oh - "except" |
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| 05:32.10 | rubin110 | I've pulled out a hd with debian lenny on it, boot partition, second partition is an lvm containing root, home and swap. I've plugged this drive into another instance of sid. When I run pvs, it returns blank. How do I see/mount the lvm on the drive? |
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| 05:36.44 | SineDeviance | well, this isn't working. so i'm going to try a reinstall with squeeze alpha1 |
| 05:37.00 | SineDeviance | and if THIS doesn't work ... maybe time to move to another distro |
| 05:37.18 | SineDeviance | i like debian but i can't deal with 1920x1080@30hz |
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| 05:38.13 | SineDeviance | i'm hoping that something got messed up during the upgrade to squeeze and thats the problem |
| 05:38.16 | SineDeviance | we'll see |
| 05:38.17 | SineDeviance | bbl |
| 05:41.01 | gnarface | he's switching distros because he doesn't know how to manually specify horizontal and vertical sync in the xorg.conf?? seems like the path of pain to me... |
| 05:41.15 | Ruum | can anyone tell me the config file I need? |
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| 05:42.35 | gnarface | Ruum: /etc/profile to set environment variables globally, ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile for just your user |
| 05:42.46 | Ruum | kk cool |
| 05:42.50 | gnarface | also ~/.bashrc |
| 05:42.52 | Ruum | I knew it was in etch |
| 05:42.58 | Ruum | etch |
| 05:43.13 | gnarface | in your home there can be several .files for environment variables, depending on distro and shell and version etc |
| 05:46.04 | Ruum | well the file I was looking for is profle |
| 05:46.07 | Ruum | profile |
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| 06:23.35 | nio | hello all i had a problem pls help me solve |
| 06:23.51 | smv | !ask |
| 06:23.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:24.04 | nio | during boot error occurs Kernel panic-not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel |
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| 06:25.14 | nio | is this the problem related to setting or kernel |
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| 06:26.44 | smv | nio, pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 06:29.07 | M- | hey guys, is anyone able to offer any clue on how/where debconf sets a timeout on postinst scripts? I've got an issue where a postinst is zombie-ing out |
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| 06:32.02 | gnarface | nio: sounds like your boot loader's (probably grub) config is missing the initrd.img for the kernel you're trying to boot with. if this is a custom compiled kernel then you need to either make an initrd.img, or else statically compile in the drivers required to boot (the error you're getting is often caused by something like the file system driver not being available during the boot process) |
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| 06:52.11 | SparFux1 | In aptitude ncurses interface, can i say "list all packages which are 'c', i.e. configured and not installed"? |
| 06:52.37 | nio | gnarface i am trying to make diskless thinclient boot using pxe i copied vmlinux from ubuntu10.04 and extract initrd make changes and then again make initrd using cpio and gzip |
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| 06:54.36 | nio | someone in linux forum told me to mount root on ramdisk but how? do i have to change any thing on boot argument |
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| 06:55.24 | quiritius | how do i prevent firewire modules from loading? i tried to blacklist them but it's been of no use. http://pastebin.com/thXxQ0rw the firewire is also switched off in bios now, but during install it was turned on. |
| 06:55.51 | nio | gnarface: i am trying to make diskless thinclient boot using pxe i copied vmlinux from ubuntu10.04 and extract initrd make changes and then again make initrd using cpio and gzip |
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| 06:56.13 | __lilbt__ | hi |
| 06:57.53 | Arrowmaster | SparFux1: yes search for "~c" |
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| 06:58.27 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: Ok, but can I even get a list with only those? |
| 06:58.43 | lindi- | nio: why use ubuntu? |
| 06:58.48 | SparFux1 | And then e.g. purge them all at once? |
| 06:58.57 | Arrowmaster | in the ncurses interface im not sure, but if you do it from the cli you should be able to |
| 06:59.24 | lindi- | nio: I just set BOOT=nfs in initramfs.conf |
| 06:59.29 | __lilbt__ | i am looking for small nice http proxy, with bandwitch amount option and some ssh option, does exist anything such for debian? |
| 06:59.30 | Arrowmaster | just aptitude purge ~c |
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| 07:00.12 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: does this command give a list first to check? |
| 07:00.24 | Arrowmaster | no use search instead of purge |
| 07:00.53 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: ok, thx. for the help. I think the feature I mean is not there yet. :-) But what's there is enough, of course. |
| 07:01.02 | Arrowmaster | check that list and if its ok do it with purge |
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| 07:03.58 | joeyyy | does debian have a pure firefox |
| 07:04.21 | petemc | debian has iceweasel |
| 07:04.48 | Arrowmaster | SparFux1: actually this might be what you want, aptitide --schedule-only purge ~c |
| 07:05.13 | SparFux1 | What I am missing is a shorthand view of all the _config_files_ of a package in aptitude, to quicklcy decide wether I can PURGE or just REMOVE is. |
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| 07:05.22 | nio | lindi i am trying to boot using window server2003 as server using pxe |
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| 07:06.10 | Arrowmaster | im not sure that aptitude has a feature to display the actual config files of a package |
| 07:09.56 | yakub | you can probably figure it out with dpkg -L packagename |
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| 07:11.01 | lindi- | nio: hmm, what has that to do with debian? |
| 07:11.25 | SparFux1 | yakub: yes, but that's far from convenient. |
| 07:12.21 | SparFux1 | omg, I have millions of ~c libraries I would want to purge. |
| 07:13.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think things without config files get listed until you purge them |
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| 07:15.50 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: Yes, and I want a clean system and that means, no having 10 older versions lying around in c state. |
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| 07:22.55 | __lilbt__ | nobody could help me with my proxy problem? :) |
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| 07:24.36 | gnarface | __lilbt__: i have never done such a thing but i know that squid and nginx both are popular as web proxies |
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| 07:25.24 | muczy | hi |
| 07:25.36 | __lilbt__ | ok, squid is kinda giant for me, and i am not sure if blowfish can be apply as ssl option, but i will check nginx |
| 07:25.39 | __lilbt__ | thank you |
| 07:25.48 | muczy | can someone tell the difference between kernel-image-trunk and kernel-image-2.6.32 in testing? |
| 07:26.59 | streuner | dpkg, kernel trunk |
| 07:26.59 | dpkg | [trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>. |
| 07:27.21 | SparFux1 | And can I in a mutt-like manner, mark lots of packages with certain criteria in aptitude and then perform some action on those packages marked? |
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| 07:28.26 | muczy | streuner: but debian testing installer still installs trunk images |
| 07:28.26 | muczy | or ma i wrong?... |
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| 07:28.26 | muczy | *am |
| 07:29.27 | gnarface | muczy: i have not seen the -trunk package for the kernel in squeeze in weeks, maybe months. when is the last time you ran apt-get update? |
| 07:30.06 | muczy | interesting |
| 07:30.18 | streuner | muczy: whats the real problem? |
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| 07:30.37 | streuner | do you need a newer kernel? |
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| 07:32.46 | SparFux1 | purging a whole bunch of libx264-xxx-xxx packages :-) |
| 07:33.11 | muczy | streuner: nope, but *-trunk-* doesn't have header pacakges for example |
| 07:33.30 | muczy | so i had to select the !trunk kernel manually |
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| 07:33.55 | muczy | but it is possible that now there aren't trunk kernel in the repository |
| 07:34.03 | gnarface | muczy: just install the latest linux-image-2.6.32* package for your arch and be happy |
| 07:34.17 | muczy | okay |
| 07:34.17 | __lilbt__ | is it anyhow possible that one listering port can handle 2 different services? |
| 07:34.33 | muczy | hmm, i've run into an installer error |
| 07:34.44 | internat | whats the command to get a serial number from the hdd? |
| 07:34.44 | SineDeviance | okay ... i FINALLY got my debian setup working properly |
| 07:34.49 | gnarface | __lilbt__: no, but you can make it look that way with clever firewall/routering |
| 07:34.56 | bburhans | gnarface: not true >_> |
| 07:35.03 | bburhans | __lilbt__: depends on the services. |
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| 07:35.37 | gnarface | bburhans: i think he's asking about http. he's setting up a web proxy |
| 07:35.37 | streuner | internat: just try lshw, it might shows it |
| 07:35.43 | SparFux1 | How to have aptitude purge all ~c pacckages named like ia32-* |
| 07:35.43 | __lilbt__ | bburhans> ssh and http(s) proxy |
| 07:35.55 | bburhans | __lilbt__: actually, here's a cool hack for you to solve that |
| 07:35.57 | gnarface | SineDeviance: hooraay! |
| 07:36.06 | SineDeviance | gnarface: thanks :D |
| 07:36.06 | bburhans | __lilbt__: see if the client speaks first. |
| 07:36.10 | SineDeviance | maybe now i can just use it |
| 07:36.46 | bburhans | __lilbt__: I'll leave the exact scripting as an exercise to the reader but the protocols between ssh and https differ in that one has the client initiate it ;) |
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| 07:37.29 | SparFux1 | aptitude search '~c ia32-' |
| 07:37.30 | SparFux1 | hehe |
| 07:38.29 | SparFux1 | Should be save to purge these, right? : http://pastebin.com/xHHNLgRe |
| 07:38.31 | blub | Hi, could someone help me with this rules file? Where would I correctly place line 63 "py_compilefiles $(CURDIR)/opt/www2sms/*.py" |
| 07:38.34 | __lilbt__ | well, be more exact, i want to listen on the same port dropbear and some https proxy if i will discover any |
| 07:38.38 | blub | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/241770/ |
| 07:39.14 | ethanol | good morning people |
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| 07:39.25 | gnarface | SparFux1: are you mad?? |
| 07:39.36 | SparFux1 | gnarface: why? |
| 07:39.43 | gnarface | don't remove your libs |
| 07:39.51 | Arrowmaster | they are already removed |
| 07:40.01 | SparFux1 | gnarface: those are c libs, they are not there, just marked as "configured". |
| 07:40.12 | gnarface | oh nevermind, carry on |
| 07:40.14 | Arrowmaster | and yes its safe to purge just about everything that is in a configured but not installed state |
| 07:40.23 | jukebox-zero_ | I'm running ubuntu lucid and mint isadora, I realize this is debian here. But I've had trouble with the grub2 from those repos, something that getting grub2 from the debian repos has fixed in the past, so I was curious if someone could point me at the right repo? I can find it on sid, but I wanted to double check before I did that. |
| 07:40.26 | SparFux1 | besides, they are only 32 bit, but I need them. :) the installed ones will stay there, as far as I understand. |
| 07:40.36 | streuner | internat: man smartctl (if that device supports smartcontrol) |
| 07:40.49 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: only that purging might destroy my precious configuration for e.g. asterisk :-) |
| 07:41.01 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: that's why I have to be careful. |
| 07:41.23 | Arrowmaster | is asterisk in a state of c but you still have it installed or something? |
| 07:41.26 | SparFux1 | tries to just replace aptitude search '~c ia32-' with aptitude purge '~c ia32-' |
| 07:41.56 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: no, asterisk is c, and the config I still need. I have a backup, but I would want to deal with debian in a way which allows for keeping asterisk config in its place :-) |
| 07:42.02 | streuner | internat: amset:/dev# man smartctl | grep serial - Prints the device model number, serial number, firmware version, and ATA Standard version/revision information. Says if the noserial - Do not print the serial number of the device. |
| 07:42.28 | Arrowmaster | SparFux1: personally i would back them all up and then purge it |
| 07:42.38 | jukebox-zero_ | I guess, the more concise version of that question was is there a more stable repo than sid I might want to get grub2 from first? |
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| 07:42.56 | gnarface | jukebox-zero_: you're probably looking for trouble. sid is the newest but grub2 is in squeeze now (slightly more stable but still not "stable") |
| 07:43.05 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: hm... might be a point. |
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| 07:43.20 | SparFux1 | Arrowmaster: but backup and purge is slightly more effort, I think. |
| 07:43.44 | SparFux1 | Whatever aptitude purge '~c ia32-' does not seem to work :-( |
| 07:43.49 | jukebox-zero_ | gnarface awesome so, I'm looking for squeeze, thanks man. |
| 07:44.29 | jukebox-zero_ | gnarface and Well, it's broke anyway, probably can't break it more. ;) |
| 07:44.39 | gnarface | luck to you |
| 07:44.51 | SparFux1 | aptitude purge `aptitude search '~c ia32-'` |
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| 07:45.26 | SparFux1 | oh, something like cut -d'X' -f 2 is missing :-) |
| 07:45.45 | blub | No one? Where would I correctly place line 63 "py_compilefiles $(CURDIR)/opt/www2sms/*.py" http://paste.pocoo.org/show/241770/ in the debian "rules" file? |
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| 07:49.08 | gnarface | blub: i don't know what you are doing or what that file is but you've placed the line where i'd guess it goes. i do notice a path descrepency however... perhaps you want that to be /debian/www2sms/opt/www2sms/*.py instead of just /opt/www2sms/*.py ? |
| 07:49.10 | SparFux1 | sudo aptitude purge '~cia32-' according to man page this should work. but it doesn't purge anything for me. |
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| 07:49.46 | blub | gnarface: I changed the path already :-) |
| 07:49.50 | blub | gnarface: okay, thanks |
| 07:50.40 | muczy | bye |
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| 07:53.18 | SparFux1 | is this an aptitude bug? it should purge the ia32 stuff! |
| 07:53.47 | SparFux1 | uh oh, obviously, for the purging, '~cia32-*' is needed. :-( |
| 07:54.29 | smv | i am trying to convert some ext3 partitions to ext4. all seem to be ok, but i don't get one thing. if i do umount / will tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/sda2 work, or atleast it should? |
| 07:54.55 | gnarface | SparFux1: what does apt-get clean do for you |
| 07:54.56 | gnarface | ? |
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| 07:55.25 | SparFux1 | gnarface: aptitude purge '~cia32-*' works ok. strange that "search" needs only ia32- and "purge" needs ia32-* |
| 07:56.02 | gnarface | smv: you're unmounting / |
| 07:56.06 | gnarface | smv: ?? |
| 07:56.26 | smv | shouldn't i? how else should i convert it? |
| 07:56.40 | gnarface | smv: the real question is how will you mount it again |
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| 07:56.49 | jukebox-zero_ | nod |
| 07:57.21 | SparFux1 | gnarface: I don't want to touch apt-get anymore, because sometime I read it does something quite less than aptitude. |
| 07:57.22 | smv | so, how should i do this? my google foo isn't too good this morning |
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| 07:59.07 | gnarface | smv: i'd boot the system from a knoppix disk or the like, and make the change from there then boot back into it. changing the filesystem on your running / partition is a bit like trying to rotate the wheels on your car while driving down the freeway |
| 07:59.24 | SparFux1 | cleaned up his aptitude stuff ok now. |
| 08:01.08 | OpenTokix | smv: running ext4 on root is generally considered a bad idea just now. |
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| 08:01.45 | gnarface | OpenTokix: i thought it wast stable now? no? |
| 08:02.07 | gnarface | still uses reiserfs. |
| 08:02.29 | smv | OpenTokix, i use it daily, and is rock stable. using it since 6 months ago. it's another system i want to convert |
| 08:02.30 | jacekowski | reiserfs ftw |
| 08:02.43 | jacekowski | /dev/md2 on / type reiserfs (rw,usrquota) |
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| 08:03.37 | OpenTokix | gnarface, smv: yes, mayb it is. - Had a friend that was cought in a dataloss bug not long ago. |
| 08:03.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:04.23 | jukebox-zero_ | Seconded, when ubuntu 9.10 went to ext4 grub wouldn't even boot from an ext4 partition. Hence the coming to deb repos in the first place. |
| 08:05.11 | OpenTokix | I will run ext3, until something else is default =) |
| 08:06.21 | jukebox-zero_ | Speaking of which. Having some trouble adding the squeeze repo to my list in synaptic. I'm getting an error that the public key is not available. Any ideas? I'd prefer to do this through synaptic, rather than just downloading and manually installing incase I miss a dependancy, plus it saves time. |
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| 08:07.10 | gnarface | jukebox-zero_: you need a new keys package |
| 08:07.40 | jukebox-zero_ | gnarface, ok, searching. |
| 08:07.49 | gnarface | jukebox-zero_: i think it's either debian-archive-keyring or debian-keyring, maybe you need to update both. i'm not sure |
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| 08:08.39 | jukebox-zero_ | gnarface, didn't have either so might as well snag them both. Thanks |
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| 08:09.56 | jukebox-zero_ | possibly the largest packages I've ever manually installed. |
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| 08:12.49 | babilen | jukebox-zero_: You definitely don't need the debian-keyring package -- It contains GnuPG keys of *all* developers |
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| 08:13.33 | jukebox-zero_ | babilen, well it's mighty 27mb is nearly done, so I guess I can just remove it in a min. |
| 08:13.41 | babilen | sure :) |
| 08:14.13 | babilen | I mean you can keep it if you want, but it is not related to your problem |
| 08:14.42 | jukebox-zero_ | nah, actually I won't need either once I actually get what I'm trying to be able to get at. Thanks though. |
| 08:15.40 | jukebox-zero_ | Somehow, no matter what distro I go with... it always ends up as Frankenlinux |
| 08:15.59 | Pinchiukas | Why do the mc scrollbars look so ugly? http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7250/07252010232342.png |
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| 08:17.53 | themill | SparFux1: btw it was ~nia32 you wanted not ~cia32. ~c doesn't take any options. /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 08:19.15 | SparFux1 | themill: well, it worked ok for me. strange. |
| 08:20.09 | SparFux1 | themill: I think it's ~c for marked ocnfigured and then ~n would be a name search, but obviously I can leave ~n for convenience, so ~cia32-* is basically ~c~nia32-* |
| 08:20.12 | themill | SparFux1: what you asked for was to purge all packages that were removed but not purged (~c) and also purge all packages that had ia32 anywhere in the name or short description. |
| 08:20.44 | SparFux1 | themill: no no, I wanted to purge all packages configured only of those who begin with ia32-* :-) |
| 08:21.28 | themill | SparFux1: what you had in the end might have worked but by luck... there's nothing there that requires the packages to start with ia32, only to have it in the description somewhere |
| 08:21.33 | SPF | Pinchiukas: I think it is normal. It looks the same on my system |
| 08:22.13 | babilen | Pinchiukas: It reminds me of a debconf bug I heard about some time ago. IIRC it was related to encodings -- which encoding do you use? Do you run mc within screen? |
| 08:22.31 | SparFux1 | themill: ah, I get it. You are right, but I checked in advance by searching and checking the list of packages to be purged actually. so the correct line would have been (I guess) : aptitude purge '~c~nia32-*' |
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| 08:23.20 | SPF | I use itf-8, looks the same in screen and outside screen |
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| 08:23.27 | SPF | *utf-8 |
| 08:23.48 | themill | the ~c isn't required there, and nor is the wildcard (they're implicit) |
| 08:23.59 | babilen | SPF, Pinchiukas: I've just tried mc (squeeze) and it does not look like that |
| 08:24.36 | gnarface | babilen: does your terminal support utf8? |
| 08:24.44 | babilen | gnarface: sure! |
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| 08:25.01 | gnarface | babilen: rxvt-unicode? |
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| 08:25.41 | babilen | gnarface: gnome-terminal -- but i'm not the one who has that problem. I just wanted to confirm that the "garbage" in the middle does not happen here |
| 08:26.48 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: i recommend a unicode-enabled terminal emulator |
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| 08:27.42 | jukebox-zero_ | Hmm. have the deb keyrings, but still get a public key error "NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B" |
| 08:28.13 | themill | jukebox-zero_: you need debian-archive-keyring not debian-keyring. |
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| 08:30.41 | jukebox-zero_ | themill have both. Hence the use of the plural. Thanks though. Not sure what's next. |
| 08:31.11 | gnarface | jukebox-zero_: that always fixed it for me, sorry. |
| 08:31.15 | babilen | !apt-key 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 08:31.15 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B ; gpg --export 9AA38DCD55BE302B | sudo apt-key add - |
| 08:31.36 | babilen | jukebox-zero_: that ^^^ *might* help - but the key *should* be in the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 08:31.57 | gnarface | babilen: should he have to re-run apt-get update after installing debian-archive-keyring? |
| 08:31.59 | babilen | jukebox-zero_: Which version is installed? And which Debian release do you track? |
| 08:32.08 | babilen | gnarface: sure |
| 08:32.09 | jukebox-zero_ | did run update |
| 08:32.15 | bolt-work | Pinchiukas: check your locale settings |
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| 08:33.30 | gnarface | bolt-work: his problem may actually be windows-related. look at his screenshot |
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| 08:34.07 | jukebox-zero_ | babilen, well, don't *actually* have debian installed. Trying to get grub 2 from the squeeze repo because the one I've got from Mint isadora-ubuntu based, broke my lucid grub, debian based, and in the past I had a much better experience with the grub from the debian repos. Just can't remember how the heck I got it then. |
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| 08:34.27 | bolt-work | gnarface: ah |
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| 08:34.32 | grosboulet | Hello |
| 08:34.51 | bolt-work | !greet grosboulet |
| 08:34.52 | dpkg | Nihao, grosboulet |
| 08:35.00 | Yahav | installing debian @ the work laptop and woundering how long could it take to resize a freaking paratition |
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| 08:35.26 | SlayerXP | Yahav: laptop drives are not known for being especially fast |
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| 08:35.34 | bolt-work | Yahav: if you're moving the data that's on it... potentially all day |
| 08:35.42 | jukebox-zero_ | dpkg: fixed it, thanks. |
| 08:35.42 | dpkg | jukebox-zero_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 08:35.54 | SlayerXP | given the price of your average 10 squillabyte disk, I'd just buy a new one |
| 08:36.05 | themill | jukebox-zero_: you might want to check the version of the debian-archive-keyring package that you have installed then. |
| 08:36.25 | Yahav | bolt-work: nop, i'm just resizing it |
| 08:36.35 | grosboulet | I want to preconfigure an installation, I have make pressed.cfg, put it on initrd. When I launch debian installer, it ask me language, with syslinux, how ca I pass "auto" argument ? |
| 08:36.53 | bolt-work | Yahav: sure you didn't tell it to keep the data? |
| 08:37.00 | jukebox-zero_ | themill, dpkg's manual key install fu fixed it for me, thank you. Just gotta see if I run into any further snags getting the package now that the repo is working for me. |
| 08:37.10 | Yahav | woot?! i want to keep all the data?! |
| 08:37.21 | bolt-work | ... |
| 08:37.22 | Yahav | you want to tell me it will be formated?? |
| 08:37.50 | bolt-work | what, exactly, are you doing? |
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| 08:38.17 | internat | !etch |
| 08:38.18 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 08:38.42 | Yahav | installing debian at GUI, at the part of paratitioning, i choose my HD and tell it to rezise it |
| 08:38.49 | Pinchiukas | bolt-work: what about them? |
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| 08:38.49 | jukebox-zero_ | Wait a minute... I carried on a conversation with a bot for over two minutes didn't I? Maybe I shouldn't be attempting this right now, given that... |
| 08:38.51 | babilen | jukebox-zero_: It is always a good idea to ask precise questions. That includes telling us that you don't actually run Debian :-\ |
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| 08:39.21 | jukebox-zero_ | babilen Sorry, I did. It was just a ways back. |
| 08:39.27 | gnarface | i warned him he was looking for trouble |
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| 08:40.15 | tomiondrums | hi, i'm trying to build the openafs module for my 2.6.32-3-amd64 kernel (debian squeeze) because 2.6.32-5 seems to be buggy but the debian module-assistant complains that the 'linux-headers-2.6.32-3-amd64' is not installed. I cant find that package. where can i get it? |
| 08:40.19 | bolt-work | Yahav: an ntfs partition? |
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| 08:41.03 | jukebox-zero_ | babilen, the short version to fill you in is when ubuntu 9.10 went ext4 by default but the grub it shipped with didn't support booting from an ext4 partition getting grub2 from sid fixed it for me. Now I have a similar issue with Mint, so I'm thinking I may as well give it a shot again. |
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| 08:42.22 | gnarface | tomiondrums: it's gone. update to linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 then install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 and then module-assistant should behave itself |
| 08:42.23 | jukebox-zero_ | Basically my system is unbootable, so I figure I may as well attempt a few other ways to fix it now that the usual update-grubs and whatnots have failed. |
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| 08:43.32 | grosboulet | How can I give argument "auto" to the debian installer with syslinux ? |
| 08:43.36 | tomiondrums | gnarface: i've already tried that but as i said openafs doesn't work correctly in 2.6.32-5 so i wanted to try 2.6.32-3 |
| 08:43.43 | os_admin | hello, i've a problem with apache2, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 08:43.43 | os_admin | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 08:43.43 | os_admin | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 08:43.43 | os_admin | Unable to open logs |
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| 08:43.49 | jukebox-zero_ | Really, I'm confident the next update released would fix it on install, but I don't want to sit on my hands and wait for that in the meantime. |
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| 08:44.19 | tomiondrums | gnarface: any suggestions? |
| 08:44.26 | SineDeviance | finally done setting up my system how i want. check it out -> http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd275/darkusedius/Debian/Screenshot.jpg |
| 08:44.28 | gnarface | jukebox-zero_: how important is the graphical package manager to you? i know if you use apt-get to install stuff you can just override the missing key complaints... |
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| 08:45.35 | gnarface | tomiondrums: i don't know shit about openafs, sorry. it really says it's broken in -5 but not in -3? |
| 08:45.40 | jukebox-zero_ | gnarface, really I just want the output to be able to scan over the packages without alot of apt-get showpkg and shows, but once I know which once I need and can ignore then I can apt-get install or aptitude it, that's fine. |
| 08:45.57 | R0O7 | SineDeviance: cool :) |
| 08:46.17 | tomiondrums | gnarface: yes it seems |
| 08:46.18 | gnarface | tomiondrums: you could always go to kernel.org and download the matching kernel source, put it in /usr/src, add the appropriate symlink to it at /usr/src/linux then load the running kernel's config into it... |
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| 08:47.28 | tomiondrums | gnarface: that looks like an option (i just didn't know that the module assistant just looks for the /usr/src/linux symlink...) |
| 08:47.29 | SineDeviance | R0O7: thanks |
| 08:48.03 | gnarface | tomiondrums: it's looking for a configured set of kernel headers for the running kernel, and it can get them from a linux-headers* package or from a configured kernel src directory |
| 08:48.13 | R0O7 | SineDeviance: :) i like it |
| 08:48.22 | SineDeviance | hehe, so do i :D |
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| 08:49.49 | grosboulet | I need help to autonate installation... the usb key doesn"t load pressed.cfg |
| 08:50.00 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, looks like an exaile shortcut up there on the panel, use it a lot and if so, how do you like it? |
| 08:50.32 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: been using it for about two years now, albeit on other distros (just installed debian for the first time last night) |
| 08:50.34 | SineDeviance | and yeah i love it |
| 08:50.49 | SineDeviance | it's basically amarok in GTK, which = win |
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| 08:51.27 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance Any trouble with large collections of mixed and sometimes proprietary formats? Been using songbird but it's a bit more memory intensive than I'd like, being based on mozilla and all. |
| 08:52.23 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: well, i've had about 10,000 MP3's in exaile's collection before and never had a problem. this was on a pentium 4 prescott @ 3ghz, 512mb/1gb ram. so i think it's ok. |
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| 08:52.40 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, awesome. You sold me with gtk version of amarok. |
| 08:52.57 | babilen | bought jukebox-zero_ |
| 08:53.07 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: it's damn-near an exact clone tbh. has the little sideways buttons on the left pane and everything. |
| 08:53.10 | R0O7 | SineDeviance: I uploaded a screenie as well... my desktop is nice and clean now, i like it: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1588/screenshotb.jpg |
| 08:53.38 | SineDeviance | R0O7: looks good, but why no bottom panel? gotta kick it stock style ;) |
| 08:53.49 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance so I take it plugin's and all? |
| 08:54.06 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: yep. even has a robust plugin manager |
| 08:54.20 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: also it can fetch your album covers for you same as amarok, and you can view them. |
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| 08:54.32 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: and finally, it has a plugin for ipod/mp3 player support. |
| 08:54.51 | R0O7 | SineDeviance: this is a laptop, and I didn't like the amount of screen real estate the bottom panel consumed, so I moved it up into the top panel. |
| 08:55.06 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: it also has an EQ, which is STILL lacking in rhythmbox. |
| 08:55.09 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, great, think I may have to reinstall it then. Sounds much better than the last time I played with it a year or so ago. |
| 08:55.20 | SineDeviance | R0O7: fair enough |
| 08:55.38 | R0O7 | SineDeviance: i usually don't have much windows open anyway, and I use GNU screen as well :) |
| 08:55.47 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: just make sure you get a more modern version. better than 0.2.x for sure. |
| 08:55.52 | SineDeviance | i think 0.2.16 is the latest |
| 08:55.58 | SineDeviance | don't use 0.1.x |
| 08:56.12 | SineDeviance | R0O7: GNU screen? |
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| 08:56.42 | jukebox-zero_ | 0.3.1.1 is in my Ubuntu repo's so I'll snag that. |
| 08:56.46 | os_admin | hello i've a pb |
| 08:56.54 | os_admin | with apache 2 |
| 08:57.04 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: well there you go. but i gotta ask, why are you using ubuntu? |
| 08:57.07 | os_admin | Starting web server: Apache2(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 08:57.07 | os_admin | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 08:57.07 | os_admin | Unable to open logs |
| 08:57.20 | SineDeviance | os_admin: please copy and paste things to #flood |
| 08:57.36 | R0O7 | SineDeviance: yup, it's a terminal multiplexer, it basically allows you to create multiple windows in a single terminal, manage them, and you can even reconnect the session from a different computer :) really one of the most under-celebrated Unix tools |
| 08:57.50 | SineDeviance | os_admin: or try this -> /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 08:58.13 | SineDeviance | R0O7: ahh. so it's like a better NX/vnc |
| 08:58.22 | gnarface | ubuntu is an african word that means "i can't configure debian" :-p |
| 08:58.26 | R0O7 | SineDeviance: yeah, a lot like vnc :) |
| 08:58.33 | SineDeviance | gnarface: lol |
| 08:58.45 | os_admin | give me the url of flood |
| 08:58.50 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, ease of use mostly... then again, having said that sounds kinda laughable considering display, booting, networking issues I've suffered. So really, just can't afford the disk space to try the distros I'd like and keep my data. Also other people use my pc and you'd be surprised how much of a curve even ubuntu seems to be for them. |
| 08:58.53 | SineDeviance | gnarface: wrong. ubuntu ACTUALLY means "gets more and more bloated and buggy with each release" |
| 08:59.17 | SineDeviance | os_admin: it's not a url, it's a channel on this network (freenode.) type /join #flood in your irc client's input box. |
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| 08:59.30 | os_admin | ok |
| 08:59.35 | gnarface | tried ubuntu server once when it was new and the bind9 package was broken out of the box... never went back |
| 08:59.42 | babilen | os_admin: Paste it to http://paste.debian.net -- not everybody in here joined #flood |
| 09:00.17 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: if i were you, i'd consider backing up your stuff and installing debian squeeze instead. alpha1 seems to be quite stable despite the fact it's a testing release. |
| 09:00.20 | Arafangion | Out of interest, is it possible to identify which repository a given package comes from? |
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| 09:00.28 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance haven't really tried running debian, but did try slackware back in the day and it was definately above my level then. Probably could handle it now though. After the introductory phase. |
| 09:00.48 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: eh, slack is too time consuming for me. i prefer apt |
| 09:00.50 | gnarface | jukebox-zero_: the debian installer has improved significantly |
| 09:01.08 | SineDeviance | ^yeah, it's pretty good. even the text-mode installer is good. |
| 09:01.14 | os_admin | http://paste.debian.net/81416/ |
| 09:01.21 | os_admin | this is the url |
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| 09:01.32 | Arafangion | I ask because I seem to have goten myself into a "mixed" setup in CentOS, (which I hate, being used to Debian), and I thought "Hmm, how would I do this in Debian?" - then I realised that I simply wouldn't be in this situation at all in Debian, but the quesetion remains. |
| 09:02.16 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedevian, well like i said, very little space free across 2 drives so I can't squeeze it all on one or the other for a fresh install. Although when I move on to a box a little less ancient, it's definately on my list. |
| 09:02.33 | gnarface | Arafangion: stop all services except ssh then install Debian in a chroot :-D |
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| 09:03.08 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: yeah, i hear you. debian is much much faster than ubuntu. far less bloat. the newer versions of ubuntu (let's say 9.10 and 10.04) have some nasty X.org bugs that cause xserver to use tons of RAM. |
| 09:03.26 | SineDeviance | i think 9.04 might be affected also |
| 09:03.35 | babilen | Arafangion: Yes, that is possible. I use http://paste.debian.net/81417/ for that |
| 09:03.41 | SineDeviance | ubuntu itself also uses tons of RAM for no apparent reason |
| 09:03.55 | Arafangion | gnarface: One of my TODO items tomorrow is to ask why the heck we use CentOS. :) |
| 09:04.14 | SineDeviance | i installed 10.04 recently and booted into a terminal. no xserver running, no GUI apps. i ran htop and the system was using over 240mb of ram doing absolutely nothing. not good. |
| 09:04.24 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance So I've noticed. ;) what's fun is to run top -d .01 and watch ubuntu scream Xorg really gets up there. |
| 09:04.29 | Arafangion | babilen: Interesting, using apt-cache policy. |
| 09:04.33 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: yep. |
| 09:05.07 | Arafangion | babilen: That only gives a hint, though. It doesn't actually record which url the package was downloaded from. |
| 09:05.20 | gnarface | Arafangion: they're going to tell you it's because they're too cheap to run redhat enterprise... which in my mind is something akin to answering the question "why do we still burn oil to make power for our automobiles?" with something asinine like "because coal doesn't come in a liquid form" |
| 09:05.37 | babilen | Arafangion: While we are at it, you might also like http://paste.debian.net/81418/ which lists the packages running daemons were installed from |
| 09:06.03 | Arafangion | babilen: Nice, thanks. :) |
| 09:06.21 | Arafangion | gnarface: I asked #centos why their packages were so old. I didn't realise they were so uptight about it! |
| 09:06.26 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: there's a channel i frequent here on freenode called #club-ubuntu. we started it as an anything-goes escape from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic. what's funny is that almost nobody that frequents the channel uses ubuntu anymore because of the general level of crap it has associated with it these days |
| 09:06.40 | SineDeviance | :D |
| 09:06.46 | Arafangion | gnarface: All I want, for example, is a version of ruby from, say... The past few years! |
| 09:06.47 | babilen | Arafangion: And yes, I don't think that the actual URL is recorded. So if you've changed your sources.list you don't have that information anymore. What do you need it for? Or is this just an academic exercise? |
| 09:07.02 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, and of course, the fact that I'm here using the deb channel and deb repos to fix a ubuntu problem isn't lost on me. |
| 09:07.14 | Arafangion | babilen: Given that I never get into this crap with Debian, it's just an academic excercise. |
| 09:07.27 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: well, they're quite similar in their repo structure, so it's not all that odd. |
| 09:07.43 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: ubuntu generally has much newer versions of apps in the repos but that's not always good |
| 09:08.03 | babilen | Arafangion: Alright - I don't think that this information is recorded somewhere. Not sure though |
| 09:08.35 | SineDeviance | i installed debian lenny (stable) with a newer kernel last night and had some major problems with using newer apps. so finally i gave up on that and installed squeeze about three hours ago. been working fine so far. |
| 09:09.01 | Arafangion | babilen: Thanks anyway - at least I learnt about apt-cache policy, that alone is extremely useful. |
| 09:09.21 | babilen | great :-) |
| 09:09.46 | gnarface | babilen: doesn't the dpkg bot here have the ability to list packges by debian repository name? |
| 09:10.02 | gnarface | could have sworn someone did it last night |
| 09:10.17 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, exactly, but it raises the question if I have to use a piece of deb to make it work, why not use it and have that in the first place? But like I said, budgets, moving data, getting a new box, not really a project for the moment. But as soon as I can migrate I'm seriously considering it. If nothing else, just to get my windows friends to stop asking to use my computer. :) |
| 09:10.18 | themill | gnarface: /msg dpkg judd |
| 09:10.24 | babilen | gnarface: Yes it can -- but not by the actual *mirror* used to download the package |
| 09:10.32 | Arafangion | gnarface: Yes, but not "Hey, I installed this package... But which repo did it come from?". |
| 09:10.33 | gnarface | aah |
| 09:10.34 | SineDeviance | babilen: i got all my issues figured out btw. went to squeeze and it's much better, |
| 09:10.57 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: lol. |
| 09:11.10 | Arafangion | gnarface: Honestly only useful if you have a mixed system, which is just evil, anyway, although it could be useful to show, for example, which packages are from backports. |
| 09:11.11 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: your windows friends need to invest in either antivirus or windows 7 ;) |
| 09:11.13 | babilen | SineDeviance: Well, can't condemn you. I'm running testing for ages .. (or rather stable for 6-12 months, then testing, rinse and repeat) |
| 09:11.34 | SineDeviance | babilen: yeah, i actually like testing better. easier to make it work for me. |
| 09:11.45 | SineDeviance | and it seems stable enough, so... |
| 09:12.08 | Pinchiukas | Why do the mc scrollbars look so ugly? http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7250/07252010232342.png |
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| 09:12.23 | babilen | SineDeviance: stable as in "not breaking" not stable as in "not changing" (important distinction in Debian's definition of stable) |
| 09:12.42 | SineDeviance | babilen: works for me. |
| 09:12.48 | gnarface | yes, squeeze is coming along nicely. i wouldn't be surprised if it went stable before january or february next year |
| 09:12.48 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, and a vote of confidence from someone not snarky always helps. And no, my windows friends need to hold a job so they can afford their own internet. Holding their hands gets old. using firefox is simple enough, until they want to save something, or copy it, or burn a cd, then all hell breaks loose. |
| 09:13.01 | Yahav | hey, in the middle of debian install i get: GRUB installation failed... wht can i do? |
| 09:13.13 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: because either your operating system, your terminal emulator, or the server you're connecting to ISN'T USING UNICODE. |
| 09:13.24 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Because you are most likely not using a unicode enabled terminal/locale -- It has been frequently mentioned to you and you still haven't provided the information. Try it within gnome-terminal/rxvt-unicode with a unicode locale |
| 09:13.42 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: eh, yeah, i know what you mean. my family is the same way. i own and operate a technology company so they think i know everything there is to know about computers. |
| 09:13.49 | Pinchiukas | babilen: I don't know where to check the damn locale! |
| 09:13.57 | babilen | Pinchiukas: "locale" |
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| 09:13.58 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: whenever something breaks they are calling me asking me how to fix it. so i know your pain :D |
| 09:14.18 | babilen | !tell Pinchiukas about locale |
| 09:14.19 | SineDeviance | Yahav: any specific error message? or just "installation failed" ? |
| 09:14.20 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: i saw your screenshot. it's clear you're connecting to a linux box with putty from windows. putty HAS a UTF-8 configuration option but i doubt it's on by default, and it may be a new feature. i do NOT know which versions of windows support unicode |
| 09:14.24 | Pinchiukas | Here is my locale: http://www.pastie.org/1060172 |
| 09:14.28 | babilen | !tell Pinchiukas about locales |
| 09:14.33 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance I found it's easy to just go with it than try to make them understand most the people here are probably far more qualified than me. |
| 09:14.41 | Pinchiukas | I *am* using UTF-8 in putty. |
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| 09:14.49 | os_admin | i've debian etch, and i've pb with apache2 http://paste.debian.net/81416/ |
| 09:14.55 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: yeah i gave up trying to teach people years ago. now i just fix their stuff and move on. |
| 09:15.01 | os_admin | have you any response |
| 09:15.06 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: which version of windows? i've got an idea... connect with rxvt-unicode from a linux box and see if it has the same issue |
| 09:15.07 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Most likely a putty issue |
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| 09:15.09 | os_admin | thx for ur helps |
| 09:15.18 | eatnumber1 | why is debian changing my inittab? I have a line to start a login on hvc0 (xen's serial console), and when I reboot, it gets rewritten to tty0 |
| 09:15.25 | Pinchiukas | gnarface: XP, I don't have a linux box with xorg. |
| 09:15.33 | SineDeviance | gnarface, babilen: thanks for all your help BTW, couldn't have gotten this crap figured out without you guys |
| 09:15.38 | Pinchiukas | babilen: what issue? |
| 09:15.53 | Yahav | "failed to install to /target/." lilo falied at the same message |
| 09:15.57 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: maybe XP just doesn't have any unicode support? i wouldn't know... i haven't used windows since 95. i'll never forgive them for windows ME |
| 09:16.06 | SineDeviance | Yahav: what's the target? which drive are you trying to install to? |
| 09:16.10 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, I live in a small town where tech support = format the HD and do a new install. So eh, sounds yours is as good or better of a method than any. |
| 09:16.11 | gnarface | SineDeviance: our pleasure |
| 09:16.12 | themill | os_admin: May I presume that you've already had the lecture about etch being no longer maintained and that you should really upgrade to lenny now? (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
| 09:16.16 | babilen | Pinchiukas: It is most likely related to putty and not a Debian issue. Check your putty configuration and verify the issue by connecting from a *NIX box |
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| 09:16.46 | gnarface | babilen: XP predated widespread UTF-8 support in the operating system, did it not? |
| 09:16.48 | Yahav | it says: /target/ i have not seen any screen to choose a path |
| 09:17.11 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: well that depends. generally, if it's windows and it's a virus or spyware problem, i format/reinstall. so much easier and i charge a flat rate for it, so the client knows what they're getting for X price no matter what happens. doing virus and spyware removal just runs the bill up and pisses em' off. |
| 09:17.26 | gnarface | os_admin: looks like apache is already running. stop the other instance before you start a new one. |
| 09:17.28 | Pinchiukas | I tried connecting with cygwins ssh.exe and the scrollbars look nicer. :| |
| 09:17.35 | SineDeviance | Yahav: which version of debian are you installing? regular gui installer or text mode? |
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| 09:17.49 | SineDeviance | Yahav: also, net install or full CD/DVD? |
| 09:17.49 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: there you go. putty fail. try a newer putty? |
| 09:17.54 | Yahav | 505, GUI |
| 09:18.07 | os_admin | how can i stop the other intance |
| 09:18.12 | Yahav | full cd #1 else from net mirror |
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| 09:18.23 | gnarface | os_admin: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 09:18.41 | themill | os_admin: you need to find out what else is listening on that port (apache, lighttpd, etc). netstat will tell you who is listening to what ports |
| 09:18.49 | Arrowmaster | you need to pick a font in putty that has all the unicode characters that are used on a debian system, leading one i remember not being in most fonts was one of the dashes used in man pages when a word was split between lines |
| 09:18.55 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, should have heard my ISP's tech support when I called and told them my downstream SNR was unstable and I don't run windows. Took 3 days to talk them out of making me install windows. And yeah, I hear you. but rather than a flat rate, no matter what they do it's an hourly charge. I don't much appreciate my family having to pay someone $50 an hour to click next every so often. |
| 09:18.57 | SineDeviance | Yahav: okay. it should have asked you somewhere near the beginning if you wanted to install grub. generally you pick /dev/sda unless you have a custom setup with multiple drives and you don't want it to be in your main MBR |
| 09:19.26 | gnarface | jukebox-zero_: jesus that sounds like hell. switch to speakeasy.net |
| 09:19.34 | Pinchiukas | gnarface: using the latest afaik. |
| 09:19.35 | Pinchiukas | 0.60 |
| 09:19.45 | os_admin | sudo netstat -lnp | grep :80 |
| 09:19.46 | os_admin | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 9004/httpd |
| 09:19.52 | Yahav | SineDeviance: well it did not , and i pass the paratitioning stage and the Base system install stage |
| 09:19.59 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: yeah i totally agree with you. i don't charge my family at all, and i try to stay fair with my clients. if i only have to come over and click next a few times i'll only charge them for gas and 15 minutes of my time, so like $20. i cant stand the guys in this industry that overcharge out the yinyang for basically nothing. |
| 09:20.08 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: it gives all of us a bad name. |
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| 09:20.31 | jukebox-zero_ | gnarface, nah got a competent tech the fourth try. Checked my lines and ran a new ground. Fixed the issue. And gave me a $30 credit. = Win |
| 09:20.45 | SineDeviance | Yahav: okay, let the install continue if you can. near the end it may ask if you want to install grub. at that point click yes |
| 09:21.21 | SineDeviance | Yahav: for future reference, the best way to install is using the small CD image or USB image, and do the entire thing from net. text-mode installer works best actually. |
| 09:21.28 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, sounds like you run a good business. Hat's off to you. |
| 09:21.39 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: thanks. keeps me poor though :D |
| 09:21.55 | SineDeviance | but i get a lot of work through word of mouth |
| 09:21.59 | SineDeviance | i dont pay for any advertising |
| 09:22.00 | Yahav | SineDeviance: after it failed should i choose continue without a boot loader? |
| 09:22.03 | SineDeviance | so, karma works out for me |
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| 09:22.23 | SineDeviance | Yahav: lets try it just for kicks. see if it asks you to install grub near the end. |
| 09:22.31 | Yahav | kk |
| 09:22.33 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: so as someone else mentioned in here, the issue may still be putty, or it may be that you also need to switch to a unicode-complete FONT in putty. |
| 09:22.45 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
| 09:22.49 | gnarface | yea |
| 09:22.52 | SineDeviance | Yahav: worst case scenario, you have to reinstall and you wasted 30 minutes. |
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| 09:23.04 | Pinchiukas | I'm currently using the default 10pt Courier new. |
| 09:23.08 | Pinchiukas | What fonts can I also try? |
| 09:23.15 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, do any work for corporations? The one I work for practically hemorrhages money at techs. Frankly i think most company's would be offended if they weren't being overcharged. |
| 09:23.17 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: yea, most standard windows fonts don't have the full unicode set mapped out. |
| 09:23.28 | Yahav | i think its in the end, and its says "no bootloader installed bla bla" |
| 09:23.40 | Yahav | and now its "FInishing the installation |
| 09:23.42 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: hell if i know. probably something open source you'll have to download, since you're using windows. i'd ask google |
| 09:23.57 | Pinchiukas | Ok, thanks. :) |
| 09:23.59 | Yahav | rebooting |
| 09:24.21 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: wait... you said cygwin's ssh.exe worked? find out what font it's using and rob that |
| 09:24.21 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: i've done some consulting with corporations before, but mostly one-shot stuff. however i'm currently working on a deal to be a consultant for lowe's home improvement's IT/web division, which is part of their HQ that is located here where i live. |
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| 09:24.27 | eatnumber1_ | no help for my problem? |
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| 09:24.50 | Yahav | SineDeviance: @ the boot: Missing OS |
| 09:24.54 | SineDeviance | Yahav: okay, if that's the case, yeah, something went wrong. this time, try installing with the text mode installer. choose installer instead of graphical installer when you boot the CD. |
| 09:25.17 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: what was it again? |
| 09:25.56 | Yahav | i'm pretty new to *nix, not sure if i could install all by myself |
| 09:25.59 | Pinchiukas | gnarface: ah, right! ;) |
| 09:26.14 | eatnumber1_ | gnarface: if I set hvc0 in inittab with a getty and reboot, it gets changed to tty1 |
| 09:26.22 | Pinchiukas | cmd.exe is telling me it's using "Raster fonts". |
| 09:26.24 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, well, good luck to you. Hope it helps with the money situation. In the mean time, gonna reboot and see if my shiny new deb grub2 works. If i'm not back, it didn't. |
| 09:26.28 | SineDeviance | Yahav: it's easy, the text-mode installer is the same as the GUI installer but without the fancy graphics. |
| 09:26.30 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: if it STILL doesn't work then file a bug report with Putty. that version you're using IS still beta ... |
| 09:26.41 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: good luck man |
| 09:26.42 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 09:27.25 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: hey wait a sec. |
| 09:27.28 | Yahav | SineDeviance: maybe because i choose the amd64 arch? |
| 09:27.30 | Arrowmaster | Pinchiukas: try one of the lucidia fonts, those should have a good amount of unicode characters |
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| 09:27.43 | SineDeviance | Yahav: i'm on amd64 also. i had no issues with grub. it's not that. |
| 09:27.52 | SineDeviance | Yahav: you do have a 64-bit CPU, right? |
| 09:28.00 | Yahav | yap |
| 09:28.09 | SineDeviance | Yahav: how much ram/vram in the system total? |
| 09:28.20 | Pinchiukas | Arrowmaster: I have only Lucida console. It looks better but maybe I should find a decent Unicode font and just use it everywhere... |
| 09:28.33 | Arrowmaster | dejavu font series then |
| 09:28.45 | Yahav | SineDeviance: 4GB |
| 09:28.46 | SineDeviance | ^what he said |
| 09:28.56 | SineDeviance | Yahav: ahh. okay, so yeah, you need 64bit. |
| 09:29.28 | SineDeviance | Yahav: well... try it again and if it doesn't ask you about grub right after the partitioner, come back here |
| 09:29.31 | Yahav | maybe i'll download the netinstall iso? is there any way to boot the netinstall from a usb DOK? |
| 09:29.33 | SineDeviance | Yahav: try the text-mode installer |
| 09:29.37 | Pinchiukas | Is there some decent widely used free font that I could download? |
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| 09:29.39 | SineDeviance | Yahav: yes, there is |
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| 09:29.47 | Arrowmaster | didnt i just tell somebody yesterday that the 4GB limit is only for 32bit windows desktops and not linux? |
| 09:29.59 | Yahav | where can i read about it? maybe some tutorial? |
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| 09:30.12 | babilen | !tell Yahav about ig |
| 09:30.13 | SineDeviance | Yahav: i'm about to tell ya :D |
| 09:30.18 | Arrowmaster | Pinchiukas: http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:30.39 | rvsjoen | the limit of the virtual address space is still 4g on 32-bit linux, but not the limit of the physical memory |
| 09:31.01 | SineDeviance | Yahav: the boot.img file you need to make the usb stick can be found here -> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 09:31.15 | babilen | !tell Yahav about usb install |
| 09:31.36 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: sorry i have never seen that problem. |
| 09:31.42 | SineDeviance | Yahav: then, download this CD ISO and put it on the usb stick after you prep -> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-505-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 09:31.44 | eatnumber1_ | gnarface: that's ok. thanks |
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| 09:31.48 | gnarface | hey people, inittab gets rewritten on boot? |
| 09:32.04 | gnarface | has never had an inittab change axed by rebooting |
| 09:32.06 | SineDeviance | i have a question for you guys actually |
| 09:32.30 | grosboulet | How can I load pressed.cfg to aotumate installation ? |
| 09:32.31 | Arafangion | has also never had inittab changed by rebooting, either. |
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| 09:32.41 | eatnumber1_ | gnarface: it's a xen vm, so i guess it's possible the host is doing something funky between the shutdown and the reboot |
| 09:32.42 | SineDeviance | i hate gdm3 so i removed it and installed gdm instead. everything works fine, but now every time i apt-get a package, it wants me to autoremove my entire gnome |
| 09:33.00 | SineDeviance | when i removed gdm3, the metapackages gnome and gnome-desktop-environment also went |
| 09:33.01 | themill | dpkg: tell SineDeviance about unmarkauto |
| 09:33.06 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: AH yes i would belive that. probably you need to set the change at the host level. this type of thing is common for vm's |
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| 09:33.23 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: check the xen docs about custom inittab's for your vm's. |
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| 09:34.08 | gnarface | SineDeviance: graphical logins bite my ass. i avoid them like the plague |
| 09:34.10 | babilen | SineDeviance: It is the same thing we worked on yesterday -- just install a smaller gnome metapackage (like gnome-core) and 'unmarkauto' other packages you want to keep |
| 09:34.39 | Arrowmaster | SineDeviance: are you using testing/unstable? |
| 09:34.57 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: yeah, squeeze |
| 09:35.10 | Arrowmaster | because i am and i just looked at those metapackages and you could just install the alternatives listed instead of gdm3 |
| 09:35.40 | Arrowmaster | gdm-themes and fast-user-switch-applet it looks like |
| 09:35.43 | babilen | SineDeviance: Check "apt-cache depends gnome" and install one of gdm3's alternatives |
| 09:35.45 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: well, when i try to install one of the metapackages it automatically tries to remove gdm and install gdm3 |
| 09:35.53 | SineDeviance | babilen: i already have gdm installed. |
| 09:36.01 | SineDeviance | i don't want gdm3 |
| 09:36.02 | gnarface | SineDeviance: Entrance is pretty |
| 09:36.27 | babilen | well, I have to go. May you all have a nice day. Until later :) |
| 09:36.37 | SineDeviance | babilen: take it easy |
| 09:36.43 | Arrowmaster | SineDeviance: so install those two packages i mentioned then try the metapackages again, if they still try to install gdm3 try changing it before actually letting aptitude install anything |
| 09:36.54 | SineDeviance | gnarface: yeah but i have a gdm theme i'm using that i really like. it matches my GTK theme. |
| 09:37.29 | gnarface | SineDeviance: Vanity is one of the 7 deadly sins, you know ;) |
| 09:37.35 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: i already have them installed. gdm-themes is required for gdm. |
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| 09:37.47 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: it wants to install gdm3 no matter what |
| 09:37.48 | Pinchiukas | Those dejavu fonts don't seem pretty to me. :/ And they're already in XP so I don't even need to download them. |
| 09:37.56 | Pinchiukas | Putty only sees monospaced fonts? |
| 09:37.59 | SineDeviance | gnarface: lol, then i'll burn gladly ;) |
| 09:38.19 | Arrowmaster | SineDeviance: well i am on squeeze and i dont have gdm3 installed so i dont know what your problem is |
| 09:38.24 | SineDeviance | Pinchiukas: deja vu has a monospaced font in the pack iirc |
| 09:38.32 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: alpha1? |
| 09:38.45 | Arrowmaster | no just squeeze |
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| 09:38.54 | Arrowmaster | for like a year |
| 09:39.34 | Arrowmaster | you are using aptitude right and not just apt-get? |
| 09:39.43 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: see? -> http://debian.pastebin.com/yqhCWnR0 |
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| 09:40.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah apt-get is going to do that |
| 09:40.04 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: if i use aptitude for ANYTHING, it automatically wants me to remove them every time |
| 09:40.16 | Pinchiukas | SineDeviance: it's the only DejaVu font I can see in putty. :) |
| 09:40.20 | themill | SineDeviance: "apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment|grep gdm" you'll see that there are two places where gdm3 is listed, hence two alternatives you need to satisfy |
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| 09:40.39 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: http://debian.pastebin.com/avwCsZsP |
| 09:40.53 | SineDeviance | themill: will try that, thanks |
| 09:41.00 | Arrowmaster | why did you do that? |
| 09:41.17 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: if you want pretty, buy a fucking MAC |
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| 09:41.54 | gnarface | fwiw Terminal.app is a *very* good unicode-capable terminal |
| 09:42.45 | eatnumber1_ | um, what? |
| 09:43.01 | SineDeviance | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/zMiBF8cP <-- so how can i satisfy them and still run gdm? |
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| 09:43.40 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: the apple macintosh os x native xterm "Terminal.app" has none of the problems you're agonizing over, and it's pretty |
| 09:43.40 | eatnumber1_ | gnarface: and yes, it is quite nice. Missing a few minor features I like, but it's quite nice. I use it every day |
| 09:44.00 | eatnumber1_ | uhh, the problems i'm having have nothing to do with the terminal I use |
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| 09:44.28 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, sorry still here, helping someone on #ubuntu, what did you need man? |
| 09:44.37 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: so sure of that, are you? |
| 09:44.44 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: was gonna say, what version of ubuntu are you running? |
| 09:44.47 | Arrowmaster | SineDeviance: if you dont want gdm3 then you need gdm-themes and fast-user-switch-applet to install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:45.05 | eatnumber1_ | gnarface: Yes. Are you trolling me? |
| 09:45.55 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: oh wow, that worked. sorry man, i coulda sworn i already had fast-user-switch-applet installed. |
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| 09:46.04 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: maybe a little |
| 09:46.05 | themill | eatnumber1_: wrong tab completion, at a guess |
| 09:46.19 | themill | SineDeviance: install the packages that are mentioned as alternatives to gdm3 in each place. |
| 09:46.42 | SineDeviance | themill: yeah i got it figured out. i needed fast-user-switch-applet, which i thought was already installed. but it's good now. thanks. |
| 09:46.51 | themill | np |
| 09:46.54 | gnarface | themill: no it was me. i'm sorry. i purposefully insulted the honor of his choice of software |
| 09:47.13 | gnarface | is better now |
| 09:47.17 | gnarface | was just venting |
| 09:47.17 | eatnumber1_ | lol |
| 09:47.18 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance Lucid, 10.04 |
| 09:47.36 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: and you stuck with grub 1.6 when you dist-upgrade'd? |
| 09:47.42 | SineDeviance | er, grub 1.5* even |
| 09:47.43 | eatnumber1_ | specifically what software were you insulting gnarface? |
| 09:47.50 | eatnumber1_ | I remind you, you're in #debian |
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| 09:49.27 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, against my better judgement, I did the dist upgrade rather than a fresh install when I upgraded, again because I wanted to keep my data. It broke grub, the first grub update fixed it. Then I stuck Mint Isadora on my tiny 10GB empty partition to give it a test spin, installing that rebroke my grub. |
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| 09:49.47 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: yeah, thats what i figured. DO NOT install grub 1.97 beta now. it will surely break your system. |
| 09:49.47 | gnarface | eatnumber1_: i remind you that you're also in #debian, asking for help with a unicode font issue on a windows box using putty |
| 09:50.08 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: it has to be installed from a fresh ubuntu 10.04 install. otherwise, you'll get grub error 21 iirc. |
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| 09:50.19 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, actually looks like I got 1.98 |
| 09:50.26 | eatnumber1_ | gnarface: lol, you have my problem confused with something completely different. My inittab is getting overwritten on reboots. |
| 09:50.31 | themill | gnarface: err... that's Pinchiukas, not eatnumber1_. |
| 09:50.31 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: will probably have the same problem. |
| 09:50.37 | eatnumber1_ | I have no problem with my terminal |
| 09:50.42 | gnarface | who the fuck then? |
| 09:50.44 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:50.45 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 09:50.47 | gnarface | i'm very sorry |
| 09:50.53 | eatnumber1_ | np, lol ^_^ |
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| 09:50.55 | gnarface | slaps himself |
| 09:51.11 | gnarface | Pinchiukas: all the heat i have been giving eatnumber1_ for the past 10 minutes was supposed to be for you' |
| 09:51.15 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: it's a menu.lst vs. grub.cfg problem, not a problem with the version. when you run grub2-install, it will not update-grub2 correctly. your partitions will get mixed up and grub2 will not be able to find /boot/ |
| 09:51.37 | eatnumber1_ | also, i'll tell the guy who writes Terminal.app that you approve |
| 09:51.40 | eatnumber1_ | guys* |
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| 09:52.35 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, well seeing as it's unbootable without bootdisk anyway... So long as it doesn't actually edit my partition table, or otherwise do something disasterous, having an unbootable system is right where I'm at now anyway. |
| 09:53.15 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: ahh. yeah then grub2 won't fix your problem. what happened exactly? |
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| 09:54.41 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance I imagine you have the right idea, although it was probably installing mint on another partition to dual boot that caused it. Since mint 9 is based on 10.04 and all. |
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| 09:55.01 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: perhaps, yes. what happens when you try to boot your system? |
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| 09:56.17 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, initially when I installed 10.04 it sent me to grub recovery because it for whatever reason, couldn't find linux.mod to boot linux. After fixing that, and installing mint, I get the deadly "no such partition" error. |
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| 09:57.16 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: right. try booting a liveCD on that system and mount the root / partition of the os you have grub installed to. then come back to me. |
| 09:57.42 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: so if it's linux mint, mount that partition, even if /boot is a separate partition |
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| 09:58.02 | g0rd0n_ | yay |
| 09:58.07 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, can boot the system with supergrub disk to 10.04, can mount my mint partition and it's a-ok. Also no problems with the partition at all from what I can tell here. |
| 09:58.11 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: also go ahead and mount your /boot partition too |
| 09:58.12 | g0rd0n_ | ntp dependency problem in squeeze is fixed now :) |
| 09:58.25 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: so you can actually boot mint through grub2? |
| 09:58.43 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: er well, okay, do this. boot mint then come back to me |
| 09:58.46 | SineDeviance | we're gonna fix this |
| 09:58.48 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, in other words, nope. can boot 10.04, which i'm using now, just not mint. |
| 09:58.56 | SineDeviance | oh |
| 09:58.57 | SineDeviance | crapola |
| 09:59.01 | SineDeviance | you really need to run minte |
| 09:59.04 | SineDeviance | mint* even |
| 09:59.31 | SineDeviance | let me get this right real quick. your copy of grub2 was installed by linux mint, right? |
| 10:00.28 | Yahav | does debian \ apt have the whole repo's thing? just like opensuse and rh? or its just one source for packages? |
| 10:00.34 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, also kinda wondering if maybe that partition is maybe too close to the end of my HD. Vaguely remember reading that causes issues. And yes, had my grub working until I installed mint and it reinstalled grub for me. Oddly enough though, just running apt-get upgrade didn't fix it for me. |
| 10:00.59 | SineDeviance | Yahav: debian uses repos, yes. apt is the package manager. it's very nice, and in my opinion, much better than yum/rpm. |
| 10:01.21 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: it can cause issues if your bios doesn't support drives over 137gb, yes. |
| 10:01.30 | Yahav | i hate yum, all of my server uses centos, yum is horrible |
| 10:01.54 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: this means that the bios cannot read past the 137th gigabyte on the drive, and any partitions AFTER that point will not be visible by grub. that could be the problem right there. |
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| 10:02.22 | SineDeviance | Yahav: apt is not like yum at all. it's much easier and much better. |
| 10:02.33 | Yahav | Yahoo!! GRUB installed |
| 10:02.40 | sylar | is there some voip that is more encrypted than skype? |
| 10:02.41 | SineDeviance | Yahav: there's also a lot of good GUI frontends for apt, like synaptic. |
| 10:03.05 | SineDeviance | sylar: ekiga softphone might be, but i'm not sure. you could check it out. |
| 10:03.26 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, one would thing that since the latest ubuntu grub update fixed my first boot issue, that just running upgrade would reinstall the good grub, but for whatever reason it appears to be the same version. It could be, my bios is fairly old, however it does recognize my 300gb drive is a 300gb drive in it's options, so I would think it can handle it... unless the drive description is passed from information stored o |
| 10:03.26 | jukebox-zero_ | n a chip on the drive and my bios isn't actually detecting it. |
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| 10:03.41 | jukebox-zero_ | * one would think rather |
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| 10:04.21 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: normally yeah, even if the bios cannot read past the 137 mark it will still report your drive's correct size. that size is just an identifier in the hdd's firmware. |
| 10:04.42 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, well that very well could be the problem then. |
| 10:04.59 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: try reinstalling grub FROM ubuntu. and instead of doing grub2-install, do grub-install instead. reinstall grub 1.5. nothing bad will happen. |
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| 10:05.30 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: take note however that this will only fix ubuntu if your bios cannot support your drive. mint will still be broken. but there is a way you can get around this. |
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| 10:05.49 | Yahav | debian installed! thank you very much SineDeviance.. i'm sure i will bug this channel very well in the next days untill i get used t debian |
| 10:06.19 | SineDeviance | Yahav: my pleasure. enjoy debian, and when you're ready to move up to squeeze (testing) which has much newer packages in the repos, let us know. |
| 10:06.47 | SineDeviance | Yahav: you can upgrade to squeeze directly from lenny (5.05) so it's easy to do |
| 10:07.13 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, one better, I'll just delete the mint partition, run update-grub2 since grub is the same version anyway, since grub2 has been standard since 9.04 and otherwise has worked(*ish) for me, and if that fixes my problem we know for sure it was just too far along on my HD. |
| 10:07.16 | Yahav | it will take me like month to learn debian then i could test future releases |
| 10:07.43 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: that will also work, yes. but keep in mind that grub2 is still beta software, and such, is why it has problems to begin with. |
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| 10:08.08 | Yahav | what's the name of the YAST alternative @ debian? |
| 10:08.14 | SineDeviance | Yahav: if you've used RPM-based distros then debian will be a cakewalk. |
| 10:08.20 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, true but have to be able to boot from ext4 partition, which if i remember right, grub can't do. |
| 10:08.21 | SineDeviance | Yahav: synaptic package manager. it' |
| 10:08.36 | SineDeviance | Yahav: it's in system -> administration |
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| 10:09.09 | Yahav | saw it, its just a GUI for apt, i ment : YAST is like the System COntrol Panel |
| 10:09.10 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: grub 1.5 can boot from ext4. i've done it before. |
| 10:09.29 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, I stand corrected then. |
| 10:09.32 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: you shouldn't be using ext4 for your regular partitions anyways. ext3 is better for stability. |
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| 10:10.01 | SineDeviance | Yahav: oh, sorry. debian doesn't really have a system control panel that i know of. everything will be in the system menu. |
| 10:10.13 | SineDeviance | and in applications > system tools |
| 10:10.41 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: ext4 IS better for partitions that have lots of large files on them. |
| 10:10.54 | Yahav | Oo |
| 10:11.03 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, nod nod. It was the default in 9.04 which irks me. Did a hasty install and didn't notice. My years old ext3 drive has no bad sectors, after over 4 years of power time. My ext4 drive with half that has several. |
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| 10:11.08 | Yahav | cannot access my NTFS parat's |
| 10:11.17 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: yep. |
| 10:11.24 | SineDeviance | Yahav: install ntfs-3g |
| 10:11.49 | Yahav | well, i better look for a quick-start @ the debian.org |
| 10:11.53 | SineDeviance | Yahav: also install fuse-utils |
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| 10:12.22 | Yahav | any other needed packages you know of? |
| 10:12.46 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, I suppose I should do the easy thing and buy a new motherboard rather than flashing my bios. Hmm. Means waiting for tax returns. |
| 10:12.55 | SineDeviance | Yahav: to do this, just open a terminal. it's under applications -> accessories -> terminal. then, run su and type in your root password. then, run this command -> apt-get update |
| 10:13.17 | SineDeviance | Yahav: after the update is done, run this command while still in su -> apt-get install ntfs-3g fuse-utils |
| 10:13.37 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: no, there's a way to get around your problem |
| 10:13.47 | Yahav | i prefere the GUI [= |
| 10:14.08 | Night_Elf | Yahav: then use synaptic |
| 10:15.36 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: if you want multiple distros on a drive that size isn't supported in bios, this is what you do. make your /boot partition like 512mb, ext3, and put it at the very beginning of the drive. then, place however many root / partitions you need after those for each distro you want to install. usually these are fine at 10gb or 20gb each. |
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| 10:15.53 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: after doing that, make separate partitions for your /home. and you' |
| 10:15.54 | SineDeviance | you' |
| 10:15.59 | SineDeviance | dammit, stupid keyboard. sorry. |
| 10:16.22 | SineDeviance | and you're done after that. the /home partitions can be as large as you want, because the linux kernel can read those partitions even if your bios cant |
| 10:16.43 | Yahav | SineDeviance: now i can enter my external HD but not the Windows Paratition @ the same HD as debian |
| 10:17.17 | Yahav | all of mine predownloaded deb packages are in there |
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| 10:17.22 | SineDeviance | Yahav: yes, you need to mount it the old fashioned way, so to speak. open a teminal, su, then make a new dir to mount it to with mkdir. |
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| 10:18.08 | SineDeviance | Yahav: after that, while still su, run this command -> ntfs-3g /dev/sda* /path/of/mount/directory (where * is your windows partition number) |
| 10:18.37 | SineDeviance | Yahav: the NTFS partition will then be mounted at the folder you made and specified. |
| 10:18.40 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, true, but if i had free space at the beginning of the drive, I would have stuck it there. I'll have to borrow and external drive and do some cut/paste - format - cut/paste to accomplish that. Easier for the moment to just delete mint. Wasn't that important to me so no worries. :) |
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| 10:19.18 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: fair enough :D just remember what i said for future reference. put /boot/ and / (root) partitions first on the drive, let all else follow. |
| 10:19.45 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero_: it never hurts to make the /boot/ partition and the root partitions primary, either. the /root partitions CAN be logical, though. |
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| 10:19.52 | doudou | hi, how can i format a sd flash card with a file system made for flash cards? can i do this with lenny? |
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| 10:20.11 | jukebox-zero_ | I've always disliked having more than one contiguous partition (swap not included) on my primary drive anyway, so in a way, it's kinda comforting. |
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| 10:20.35 | SineDeviance | doudou: FAT16 or FAT32 is fine for SD cards. gparted can make FAT partitions. |
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| 10:21.24 | doudou | but i read there are special file system that take care of sd cards, preventing to write always same sector, and many features |
| 10:21.42 | SineDeviance | doudou: ahh. then i'm sorry, i have no idea. |
| 10:21.44 | doudou | do you think they are built in the card? |
| 10:22.03 | SineDeviance | doudou: most SD cards run FAT16 or FAT32 from the factory, if they aren't unformatted. |
| 10:22.08 | doudou | you know something like jjfs? i dont remmember |
| 10:22.12 | Yahav | any popular \ needed repos? |
| 10:22.20 | Yahav | ONLY STABLE plz |
| 10:22.25 | SineDeviance | Yahav: yes. google for 'debian-multimedia' |
| 10:22.35 | moldovean | !dmm |
| 10:22.35 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 10:22.37 | SineDeviance | Yahav: it will help you get restricted codecs and such. |
| 10:22.42 | SineDeviance | moldovean: thanks |
| 10:22.50 | jukebox-zero_ | sinedeviance, also is there really any need for more than 500mb or so for swap? I've never seen my system use much at all and I have a 2GB set aside, seems like a huge waste of space. |
| 10:22.51 | SineDeviance | i don't know the bot commands yet |
| 10:22.52 | doudou | yes they are fat when sold, but if i want to store my os on it, i am not sure i wont have prblems |
| 10:22.56 | Yahav | tnx |
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| 10:23.11 | SineDeviance | doudou: you will be fine. linux distros can run from FAT. |
| 10:23.22 | SineDeviance | Yahav: sure. |
| 10:23.46 | doudou | i know, but i beleive at one time bad sectors will occur and problems too |
| 10:23.54 | SineDeviance | brb, i'm gonna run up to the store at the end of my street and get some smokes. |
| 10:24.11 | SineDeviance | doudou: dunno about that. you could always try formatting them as ext2 or ext3. |
| 10:24.20 | gnarface | increased use of FAT has been associated with high cholestrol, high blood pressure, obesity and cancer |
| 10:24.21 | doudou | yes i can too |
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| 10:24.57 | Yahav | lol KVIRC is included in the defalut repo but not any of mozlla products |
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| 10:25.20 | SineDeviance | Yahav: iceweasel is debian's version of firefox. icedove is debian' |
| 10:25.21 | doudou | about swap, i cant make a 4GB swap partition as it is asked |
| 10:25.32 | SineDeviance | Yahav: icedove is debian's version of thunderbird* |
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| 10:25.47 | SineDeviance | Yahav: they are the same products as the mozilla versions, just made totally open-source. |
| 10:25.57 | doudou | i run with no swap at all, but i beleive a small one is goo, cant remmember why |
| 10:26.06 | Yahav | maintainted by? |
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| 10:26.19 | moldovean | doudou, /msg dpkg jffs |
| 10:26.35 | SineDeviance | doudou: for 2GB of RAM and less, i'd say 1GB of swap is good. for over 2GB, 512mb of swap. for 4GB or more, swap isn't even needed. |
| 10:26.41 | rvsjoen | yahav: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 10:27.30 | Yahav | ohh so its just a rename, still the same code |
| 10:27.31 | quiritius | SineDeviance: you forget suspend-to-ram option where swap is needed anyway. |
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| 10:27.36 | doudou | thanks, but i read a little swap is good even if huge memory, because i dont remmember why |
| 10:27.49 | the_student | I have an old comp, no screen or kbd, what I want is to install linux on it and use it as a server, running setup through SSH |
| 10:28.05 | doudou | they wrote swap of memory size to allow suspend ... |
| 10:29.05 | doudou | i did not understood how i ask bot about jffs |
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| 10:29.29 | moldovean | put it here in irc line |
| 10:30.00 | quiritius | ,versions uswsusp |
| 10:30.01 | judd | uswsusp -- etch: 0.3~cvs20060928-7etch1; lenny: 0.7-1.2; sid: 0.8-1.2+b1 |
| 10:30.26 | moldovean | msg the bot |
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| 10:30.37 | the_student | I have an old comp, no screen or kbd, what I want is to install linux on it and use it as a server, running setup through SSH |
| 10:30.38 | moldovean | !msg the bot |
| 10:30.38 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 10:31.01 | moldovean | the_student, and ... ? |
| 10:31.12 | the_student | How do I do that |
| 10:31.30 | doudou | i know, how i change screen with weechat curses? |
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| 10:32.15 | moldovean | the_student, add a monitor and kbd, install it , remove all that been added |
| 10:33.25 | the_student | Thing is, I don't have enough monitors |
| 10:33.45 | moldovean | the_student, install taks ~30 min |
| 10:33.51 | moldovean | takes* |
| 10:33.57 | the_student | I think i can patch isolinux.cfg, but how |
| 10:34.19 | ethanol | the_student: surely you can spare a monitor for a moment |
| 10:35.35 | the_student | Ok, new question, how do i patch isolinux.cfg to have ssh ready when during setup |
| 10:35.47 | doudou | when i type aptitude remove something, does it remove files from disk, or do i need to do aptitude purge something just after? |
| 10:35.59 | the_student | as in so that I can run setup through SSH? |
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| 10:38.08 | doudou | something strange, i connect with ssh from shell to another computer, launch a distant application that writes things to screen, then disconnect ssh, and it continues to send the distant application messages to screen, how can thi be possible? |
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| 10:38.26 | alcy | folks, am facing a strange problem. on both lenny & squeeze. while configuring clamav-daemon, if I select notify to clamd as yes OR if I preseed taht value as true in a responsefile, then in BOTH cases debconf-get-selections return the value as being false. any clue about this ? |
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| 10:40.23 | doudou | aptitude search jffs gives nothing |
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| 10:41.31 | doudou | alt A change screens with weechat |
| 10:42.11 | ethanol | doudou: come again? |
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| 10:42.39 | doudou | ethanol come?? |
| 10:43.39 | doudou | i read that jffs is in kernel from 2.6.26 or 2.6.23 can remmember, how do i format my flash with this? |
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| 10:44.56 | doudou | i have a sdhc usb card reader, works well with 4GB cards, do you think i need another for 8GB cards or there is no reason ? |
| 10:44.59 | babilen | doudou: Take a look at logfs-tools |
| 10:45.06 | babilen | ,info logfs-tools |
| 10:45.07 | judd | No record of package 'logfs-tools' in lenny/i386. |
| 10:45.19 | lindi- | doudou: jffs only works on mtd devices |
| 10:45.20 | babilen | ,versions logfs-tools |
| 10:45.20 | judd | logfs-tools -- sid: 20100501-2; squeeze: 20100501-2 |
| 10:45.40 | lindi- | doudou: SD cards already do their own wear-leveling, you don't need jffs2 |
| 10:45.42 | doudou | thanks |
| 10:45.55 | doudou | thanks lindi- |
| 10:46.38 | doudou | lindi- how do you know? a link? |
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| 10:48.21 | doudou | i try upgrade from lenny to squeeze but i beleive i dont have enougth space, lenny takes 80% of disk, what will happen is hang after a long long download |
| 10:48.31 | SineDeviance | back |
| 10:48.37 | babilen | SineDeviance: wb |
| 10:48.40 | SineDeviance | thanks |
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| 10:49.09 | babilen | doudou: You might want to clear your package cache, which could free some space. Run "aptitude autoclean" |
| 10:49.13 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: any luck? |
| 10:49.15 | babilen | or "aptitude clean" |
| 10:49.22 | jukebox-zero | sinedeviance, good call. |
| 10:49.26 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: how so? |
| 10:49.26 | doudou | funny hang because you can do anything then, you cant remove packets as aptitude is blocked, maybe i can remove manualy files, but which ones? |
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| 10:49.42 | babilen | jukebox-zero: Try "sin<TAB>" ;) |
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| 10:50.25 | doudou | babilen, thanks i did no know i tried aptitude purge some package but after having done aptitude update to squeeze so i did not get space |
| 10:50.42 | jukebox-zero | sinedeviance still no boot despite wiping the partition. so I did some playing on grub recovery. Even manually setting the prefix and root, it insists on setting them as hd0,6. I don't even *have* that many partitions. |
| 10:51.14 | jukebox-zero | babilen, awesome, nice trick |
| 10:51.25 | babilen | doudou: aptitude autoclean removes all previously downloaded packages that are no longer installed -- aptitude clean removes all downloaded packages (the .deb files). You can find them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:51.28 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: you might. if you have a logical partition that is the 4th physical partition, it will still show up as /dev/sda5. |
| 10:51.48 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: in any case, install grub to hd(0,0) |
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| 10:52.45 | babilen | doudou: Can't you just interrupt the process (ctrl-c) and run "aptitude autoclean" ? |
| 10:52.49 | jukebox-zero | will do, and installing regular grub. In any case I have only three partitions at the moment. |
| 10:53.08 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: hmm... yeah, that is odd. if that's the case you shouldn't be getting hd0,6 |
| 10:53.20 | babilen | doudou: If the problem still persists, paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:53.26 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: it should only be possible with five partitions, one of which is logical. |
| 10:53.40 | SineDeviance | er, two of which. lol. |
| 10:54.09 | jukebox-zero | sinedeviance, I figure it's a grub issue, incorrectly reading my partition table. I seem to remember you mentioning something along those lines earlier. |
| 10:54.22 | doudou | i can interrupt the aptitude full-upgrade without risk? |
| 10:54.42 | doudou | it will be able to resume itself? |
| 10:54.48 | babilen | doudou: Is it still downloading? Paste the current state/output to the pastebin i mentioned earlier |
| 10:55.03 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: well, like i said, grub2-install is bugged. |
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| 10:55.23 | babilen | doudou: And yes, you can safely interrupt it when it is still downloading. But didn't you say that it "hangs" ? |
| 10:55.28 | doudou | babilen i cant pastebin, i removed xserver to get place ... yes it is still downloading |
| 10:55.30 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: depending on your system's drive configuration, it might not do update-grub2 correctly. |
| 10:55.47 | babilen | doudou: Why don't you wait for the download to finish then? |
| 10:55.59 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, it would seem so. strange how it works and then doesn't work right? heh, oh well, great thing about linux is being able to get around pretty much everything. |
| 10:56.00 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: grub 1.5 should work, though. i'm almost positive it supports ext4. |
| 10:56.08 | doudou | because maybe diskfull will crash system |
| 10:56.10 | babilen | doudou: I thought that your problem is that aptitude gets stuck during the download/installation process |
| 10:56.12 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: yep. |
| 10:56.28 | doudou | yes that will happens in one minute |
| 10:56.34 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, if not, still got my super grub boot disk, so can't really hurt anything by trying. |
| 10:56.39 | doudou | 92% |
| 10:56.45 | babilen | doudou: Well, you can safely cancel it right now, run aptitude autoclean and restart it. |
| 10:56.46 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: exactly :D |
| 10:56.58 | babilen | doudou: wait! |
| 10:56.59 | doudou | but it has downloaded 82% |
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| 10:57.27 | babilen | doudou: run "du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives/" -- how much space is used? |
| 10:58.05 | babilen | doudou: And stop/background the aptitude process with CTRL-Z |
| 10:58.12 | doudou | i wait yesterday and then i did not know what to try, as i cant uninstall packets when aptitude is crushed after diskfull error, has the lock on aptitude file cant be remove |
| 10:58.51 | babilen | doudou: BTW - How much free space do you have? |
| 10:58.58 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, since the days of UUID's i don't like editing grub.conf anymore, and yes, I know i shouldn't. So sounds like your solution is easiest. |
| 10:59.36 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: don't use UUID's. you can still use the old physical addresses, i.e. /dev/sda1, so on. grub will have no problems with it. |
| 10:59.56 | doudou | 1,2 GB for the archives, but seems it will pass because i am df is 94% but download is 98% |
| 11:00.37 | doudou | it is ok |
| 11:00.44 | babilen | doudou: They still have to be unpacked |
| 11:01.02 | doudou | so i muist ctrl C now |
| 11:01.42 | doudou | i stop install remove all cache and retry install |
| 11:01.51 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, hmm says version 0.97... you said there's a 1.x floating around right? |
| 11:02.17 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: just boot ubuntu and do 'apt-get install grub' |
| 11:02.23 | doudou | i always get in same trouble, i am very crazy |
| 11:02.35 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: oh, you should remove grub2 first. |
| 11:02.48 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: afterwards, do 'sudo grub-install' |
| 11:03.33 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, yeah, that's where i noticed it. removing grub2 via synaptic because wasn't sure if i had to remove grub-pc also. Will do apt for install. |
| 11:04.00 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: ideally, you should do apt-get remove grub* |
| 11:04.09 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: remove everything grub-related, then reinstall grub |
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| 11:07.15 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, should I be concerned that while pkg grub-pc was removed, apt-get install grub doesn't replace it? or is that strictly grub2? |
| 11:07.33 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: eh... i dunno, really. |
| 11:07.40 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: try reinstalling grub-pc |
| 11:07.49 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: if it wants to remove grub, then you know it's not needed. |
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| 11:09.08 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, okay, wish me luck |
| 11:09.09 | doudou | wow changed version of INIT, still there, in fact it lib remplacement does not consume memory, still 95% |
| 11:09.17 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: yeah. good luck man. hope all goes well |
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| 11:12.19 | doudou | do you think there is a technical problem that could prevent to replace all bash with a python 1.6 and clean and readable scripts? |
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| 11:13.24 | thewanderer1 | doudou: no, in fact, m0n0wall uses PHP scripts for init and configuration |
| 11:13.37 | doudou | only problem is compliance to some norm? |
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| 11:14.30 | doudou | thanks when squeeze will run, i will read about m0n0wall? |
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| 11:15.38 | doudou | but php is strange, is how to run php alone? |
| 11:15.47 | thewanderer1 | php5-cli |
| 11:15.52 | thewanderer1 | I do it all the time :P |
| 11:16.05 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, absolutely bizarre. Still doing it. And for some reason I get the Nvidia splash now. That's kinda... odd. I have Nvidia and all, just never seen the splash before. *shrug* Oh well. The next update will hopefully fix it. If not, all the more reason to buy a new HD and give deb a try. |
| 11:16.08 | thewanderer1 | doudou: monowall is based on FreeBSD I think, but it's cool that it uses PHP. you know, the Gentoo guys went the opposite way - they compile init programs from C and run binaries, they claim it's fast... |
| 11:16.12 | doudou | nice to master php |
| 11:16.30 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: you need to run 'sudo grub-install' |
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| 11:16.39 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: you can't just install grub and it magically work |
| 11:16.59 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: as in, the grub package |
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| 11:17.13 | thewanderer1 | doudou: and some embedded systems use only a single init script without this "rc.d" stuff - I've seen one huge init script that sets up network devices and starts daemons... what you use is only up to you |
| 11:17.15 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, ah.. i did update grub... I knew I had to do something, just did the wrong thing. |
| 11:17.37 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: nah, do this first -> sudo apt-get install grub. then do -> sudo grub-install |
| 11:17.44 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: you want to install it to hd0,0 |
| 11:17.52 | doudou | i knew you can even change init with a program so when booting you run a program |
| 11:18.16 | Yahav | !media |
| 11:18.16 | dpkg | somebody said media was TP Debian recorded media can be found at http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/ |
| 11:18.32 | Yahav | !media-repo |
| 11:18.36 | Yahav | !oss |
| 11:18.36 | dpkg | from memory, oss is an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>. |
| 11:18.37 | abrotman | Yahav: msg the bot |
| 11:18.56 | Yahav | ohh he's support prv..kk sorry |
| 11:19.01 | doudou | the rc stuff is hard to read and to change, does not seem readable as a python script, but bash come from my grand ma specifications, we cant change that |
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| 11:20.11 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, well, for it being 6am and all, and needing to be to sleep 6 or so hours ago, I don't feel too ashamed. Thanks though. I'm sure it will work just fine. Don't see any reason it wouldn't. |
| 11:20.21 | Yahav | amm what was that additional media repo again? |
| 11:20.30 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: no problem man. i wish you luck if i don't see you again |
| 11:20.33 | alcy | ok can someone validate this behavior ? if apt-cache show <pkgname> tells me that <pkgname> doesn't depend on <pkgXYZ>, then why does it eventually install <pkgXYZ> anyway ? for eg., if installing clamav-base, then it shouldn't install freshclam |
| 11:20.38 | themill | Yahav: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 11:21.08 | doudou | the thing i dont now, is how you handle concurency with python, booting is complex, you need to handle fail, and handle order |
| 11:21.09 | jukebox-zero | SineDeviance, nod nod. Good luck with the lowe's/home depot thing. ;) |
| 11:21.18 | SineDeviance | jukebox-zero: thanks man! here's hoping |
| 11:21.42 | themill | alcy: apt-cache show doesn't show dependencies recursively. There's no freshclam package though... |
| 11:21.45 | abrotman | doudou: how is this related to Debian? |
| 11:21.58 | alcy | themill: clamav-freshclam |
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| 11:22.33 | doudou | abrotman it is related to Debian but to future versions |
| 11:22.51 | doudou | you could not not |
| 11:22.57 | doudou | know |
| 11:22.58 | abrotman | doudou: if you're asking how to do simple things in Python, I think you want #python |
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| 11:23.32 | doudou | ho now i was asking how to do simple python things with debian |
| 11:23.35 | themill | alcy: being precise in package names makes it easier to help you :) "aptitude why clamav-base clamav-freshclam" will be instructive. Also, /msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 11:24.02 | abrotman | doudou: no, you're asking how to program in Python |
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| 11:24.05 | thewanderer1 | doudou: managing concurrency is a general programming pattern, you might want to read a paper on it or grab a book |
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| 11:24.40 | doudou | i know |
| 11:24.54 | doudou | even with python |
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| 11:25.08 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 11:25.10 | alcy | themill: thanks. so, the "recommended" packages do eventually get installed ? |
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| 11:27.18 | themill | alcy: yes because they are packages that should almost always be installed (/msg dpkg why recommends). Occasionally you don't want one of them so can exclude the package at that time, e.g. "aptitude install clamav-base clamav-freshclam:" (note the colon) will prevent clamav-freshclam being installed while allowing the rest of your recommends to be installed. You could also just type ":clamav-freshclam" at the [Y/n/q/?] prompt of "aptitude install |
| 11:27.20 | themill | clamav-core" to have the same effect. |
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| 11:28.34 | doudou | doubtfull, i have the python bible, i read it, maybe you can read chapter one and be convinced in 10 minutes for a new version? python have multithreading |
| 11:28.35 | doudou | new version for debian of course |
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| 11:28.51 | themill | doudou: please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise when you get back. |
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| 11:29.46 | abrotman | doudou: or perhaps find a channel more appropriate for your ... conversation. |
| 11:29.56 | themill | monologue? |
| 11:30.13 | alcy | themill: thanks a lot for clearing that. things are slightly complicated because all of this is being automated by Puppet, so in effect I'll have to mess around with a bunch of scripts. but nevermind, cleared up quite a few doubts of package management. cheers :) |
| 11:30.35 | abrotman | I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that someone was talking to him earlier and that's why he was still going on about it. |
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| 11:31.00 | merethan | Morning all |
| 11:31.01 | themill | alcy: no worries. You could try just putting the package on hold perhaps "aptitude hold packagename" which would also prevent it being dragged in. |
| 11:31.19 | themill | alcy: "hold" might be more puppet-friendly. |
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| 11:33.56 | alcy | themill: sure, thanks. but puppet follows a default set of options in case of package management (like in case of apt-get/dpkg it will default to using options such as -y --force-confold and a bunch of others), so I probably need to check the default behavior of aptitude which I haven't used till now (with puppet) |
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| 11:39.56 | io41 | Any maintainers hanging about here? Debconf can be used to configure a package with important interactive questions from the user, and according to the docs I've read, defconf functions should be called from debian/config, yet these only appear to be called when I do dpkg-reconfigure, and not on installation (dpkg -i). |
| 11:40.40 | Yahav | anyway to install the original firefox @ deb? the iceweasl is still 3.0.6 ! while ff is 3.6.8 |
| 11:41.04 | themill | io41: questions have different priorities -- dpkg-reconfigure defaults to "low" (i.e. all questions). You can "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" to change the priority of the questions that are asked at install time. |
| 11:41.20 | streuner | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 11:41.22 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; sid: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1 |
| 11:41.41 | streuner | Yahav: just install a backport then |
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| 11:42.33 | streuner | Yahav: or you install a binary out of firefox, but you loosing support of Debian then |
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| 11:42.54 | Yahav | what is a backport? |
| 11:43.05 | streuner | Yahav: /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:43.07 | Yahav | (sorry for being a newbe) |
| 11:43.16 | io41 | themill, thanks. I had gone under the assumption that critical question would always be asked. |
| 11:44.54 | themill | io41: yes, "critical" questions would always be asked (and "high" too, as that is the default priority above which questions are shown), unless you've got debconf running in "noninteractive" mode either from its own config or by exporting DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive prior to running apt/dpkg/etc. |
| 11:45.20 | merethan | Hey Yahav :) |
| 11:45.27 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all! |
| 11:45.40 | Yahav | merethan: hey mate |
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| 11:47.48 | io41 | themill, odd, nothing regarding "noninteractive" in /etc/debconf.conf, and no env set. It appears to me as though I'm doing it right :-/ |
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| 11:52.59 | hid3 | Good afternoon everyone. What are the latest news about the Squeeze release date? |
| 11:53.04 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 11:53.04 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 11:53.20 | hid3 | nothing new, thanks abrotman |
| 11:53.21 | hid3 | ;-) |
| 11:53.49 | abrotman | hid3: you could subscribe to the debian-devel-announce to get updates like that |
| 11:54.02 | hid3 | This time it takes damn really long to release.. Maybe it just looks like that to me only, since I'm really waiting for it... |
| 11:54.06 | themill | hid3: debconf is next week -- there's likely to be discussion and a release schedule emerge from that. |
| 11:54.29 | hid3 | abrotman: that would be too much info for me from there |
| 11:54.44 | abrotman | hid3: it's really not a high volume list .. max 10 emails a month |
| 11:54.48 | hid3 | themill: waiting to get updates on rel.date |
| 11:54.55 | abrotman | there is no 'release date' |
| 11:54.58 | hid3 | oh, then worth to consider |
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| 11:55.08 | hid3 | *schedule |
| 11:55.13 | hid3 | not release |
| 11:55.21 | hello | hello |
| 11:55.23 | abrotman | nor that .. it will get done when themill gets off his lazy hind and fixes more bugs |
| 11:55.31 | themill | !spank abrotman |
| 11:55.31 | dpkg | bends abrotman over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 11:55.35 | hid3 | heh |
| 11:56.16 | abrotman | hid3: at this point, there are too many RC bugs. That number needs to go way way down before there can be consideratoin of release. Though on top of that, there hasn't been any type of freeze yet (other than a string freeze, which doesn't really count) |
| 11:56.22 | hid3 | Any clues if it will be able to mkfs & mount EXT4 in Squeeze? (In short: anyone using 'testing' at the moment? ;-)) |
| 11:56.34 | abrotman | the installre? |
| 11:56.38 | hid3 | abrotman: yeah, know that |
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| 11:56.39 | hello | i am using squuez |
| 11:56.46 | hello | it running on ext2 |
| 11:56.55 | abrotman | hid3: yes, the installer should be able to create/use ext4 AIUI |
| 11:56.59 | hid3 | no, not necessarily installer |
| 11:57.00 | hello | not able to make ext4 asprimry pertitionproblem |
| 11:57.03 | hid3 | but in general |
| 11:57.10 | hid3 | cool!!! |
| 11:57.24 | abrotman | hid3: you can check the installation manual to double check |
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| 11:57.54 | hid3 | I don't care much about making my primary partition as EXT4. Just another slice for other purposes |
| 11:57.57 | hid3 | Will check it, though |
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| 12:00.22 | hid3 | hello: ever tested EXT2 vs EXT4 read/write speeds in real? |
| 12:00.34 | hello | naah |
| 12:00.38 | abrotman | stops hid3 before he starts ... |
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| 12:00.53 | hello | i get hrddisk error when not shutdownproperly and it runs fsck |
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| 12:01.10 | hello | but i am not able to create ext4 partition |
| 12:01.42 | hid3 | not a good idea to bad-shutdown a FS without journal (e.g. ext2) |
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| 12:03.00 | hello | why i am not able to make ext4 partition with debian testing |
| 12:03.14 | hello | i could make same with ubuntu lucid and fedora |
| 12:03.15 | hid3 | how do you try to make it? |
| 12:03.21 | Misterio | hello: Are you getting any error? |
| 12:03.22 | doudou | ban |
| 12:03.24 | hello | whiel installing |
| 12:03.28 | hello | yes a error |
| 12:03.36 | Misterio | hello: Paste it |
| 12:03.46 | hid3 | use cfdisk to create a partition and then mkfs.ext4 <options> /dev/sliceX |
| 12:03.55 | hello | iinstalled debian with ext2 |
| 12:03.59 | hid3 | I'm able to make it even with stable, but not mount! |
| 12:04.08 | hello | error is something like too many primary partitions |
| 12:04.11 | doudou | you stop muzzle? why? abrotman are you by the coffee machine? |
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| 12:04.33 | abrotman | doudou: once again, try to keep your conversation relevant |
| 12:04.53 | abrotman | hello: you can only have four primary partitions |
| 12:05.12 | hid3 | Yep |
| 12:05.17 | hid3 | it's not ext2/ext4 thing |
| 12:05.35 | hello | but ununtu nd fedora installed using ext4 on smae hardisk,butdebian doesnt |
| 12:06.02 | hid3 | Maybe it created an extended partition? |
| 12:06.02 | hello | may be different way of parting used by debian ubuntufedora ? |
| 12:06.08 | abrotman | maybe you should use ubuntu then ... |
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| 12:06.19 | hello | nah i lobe deb |
| 12:06.21 | derik | how i update debian ? |
| 12:06.21 | hid3 | Heh, nice point abrotman! ;D |
| 12:06.23 | hello | love* |
| 12:06.42 | hello | but what i telling is fact |
| 12:07.19 | abrotman | derik: update it from what to what? |
| 12:07.19 | hid3 | Why do you need so many partitions in your system at all? |
| 12:07.31 | derik | update debian OS |
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| 12:07.46 | abrotman | derik: update it from what to what? |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | why do you think you need to update it? |
| 12:08.14 | hello | just becuse they were created |
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| 12:08.25 | derik | because i didn`t update from 4 months |
| 12:09.00 | hid3 | Ask the guy who installed debian you, to upgrade it too |
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| 12:09.53 | abrotman | derik: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 12:10.09 | hid3 | and then read information in `man apt-get` |
| 12:10.34 | hello | manual haha haha haha |
| 12:10.38 | abrotman | hid3: you mean aptitude |
| 12:11.02 | hid3 | abrotman: I doslike aptitude just because it doesn't have the `moo` thing! |
| 12:11.09 | hid3 | *dislike |
| 12:11.29 | thewanderer1 | hid3: it does. |
| 12:11.37 | abrotman | hid3: it's the recommended tool, and your excuse is dumb |
| 12:11.40 | hid3 | thewanderer1: where?! |
| 12:11.45 | thewanderer1 | hid3: try on your own. |
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| 12:11.55 | bandie9100 | hello |
| 12:12.07 | hello | me |
| 12:12.09 | hello | ?? |
| 12:12.13 | bandie9100 | i need a first aid |
| 12:12.29 | babilen | bandie9100: Just ask your question or call an ambulance if you really need first aid :) |
| 12:12.39 | hid3 | abrotman: just out of curiousity, why it is recommended over the apt-get? I've read something about dependencies and conflicts thing but can't recall anything more... |
| 12:12.50 | abrotman | !tell hid3 about why aptitude |
| 12:12.50 | babilen | !tell hid3 -about why aptitude |
| 12:12.54 | babilen | !tell hid3 -about why not aptitude |
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| 12:13.20 | bandie9100 | causa of hardware fail my filesystem got down and many libs corrupted |
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| 12:13.37 | bandie9100 | how to reinstall all of the packages now intalled |
| 12:13.38 | bandie9100 | ? |
| 12:13.51 | hid3 | yeah, aptitude finds a solution in case apt-get gives up. But what if apt-get never gives up for me and runs fine? |
| 12:13.57 | abrotman | !tell bandie9100 about reinstall |
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| 12:14.13 | abrotman | hid3: in this channel, use aptitude |
| 12:14.35 | hid3 | OK. Or keep silent I'm not using it ;-) |
| 12:14.48 | Misterio | thinks both are the same |
| 12:15.26 | bandie9100 | thanks, i will try to fix the proble |
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| 12:18.17 | hid3 | I want ChanServ give me that thing too! |
| 12:18.18 | merethan | bandie9100, how can a hardware failure corrupt files? |
| 12:18.47 | bandie9100 | harddisk got down during boot :S |
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| 12:19.05 | merethan | While booting, files are almost only read |
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| 12:19.54 | hid3 | If you poweroff the system while it does fsck, then it might be more serious |
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| 12:20.03 | hid3 | ask me how I know! |
| 12:20.06 | merethan | If hardware breaks in the middle of a write I can imagine some damage to files. Perhaps faulty raid controllers do strange things sometimes. But doing damage during a read? |
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| 12:20.47 | merethan | Yeah but fsck also does writing. |
| 12:21.01 | thewanderer1 | can I bind a socket to multiple addresses or do I need to use multiple sockets? |
| 12:21.04 | abrotman | the filesystem still gets changed it boots |
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| 12:23.05 | merethan | abrotman, yeah I can see some config/pid/state files being written. But not libs. |
| 12:23.26 | bandie9100 | i also cant imagine a filesystem fail during disk read only |
| 12:23.26 | merethan | And perhaps fs metadata. |
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| 12:23.43 | abrotman | merethan: stat /lib/libc* ? |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | it still changes the modify time .. but i don't know if that's in the filesystem itself or some metadata |
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| 12:24.15 | bandie9100 | therefore i did not scare... |
| 12:24.17 | abrotman | (that was poorly phrased) |
| 12:24.23 | rednammoc | hi guys. i have some real trouble with svn. i directed the subversion-folder in dav_svn.conf to /media/myhd/ and restarted apache2. by trying to reach the repository via webbrowser it replies: "Forbidden - You don't have premission to access". checking permission user and group are set to rednammoc. the hd is also used by another system and i cant change permission to www-data. |
| 12:25.12 | thewanderer1 | rednammoc: then set the ACL accordingly |
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| 12:26.32 | rednammoc | thewanderer1: ok. need to check this acl-thing. thx :) |
| 12:26.35 | thewanderer1 | rednammoc: permission HOWTO: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=40627 - see the section on ACL |
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| 12:27.00 | merethan | hey, squeeze has grub2! |
| 12:27.07 | merethan | That was about time |
| 12:27.07 | abrotman | so does lenny |
| 12:27.09 | hid3 | Oh no! |
| 12:27.24 | merethan | abrotman, it was not the default. |
| 12:27.35 | abrotman | no, but it still had it |
| 12:27.37 | abrotman | has |
| 12:27.40 | merethan | I haven't seen any option on install at least. |
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| 12:28.33 | themill | merethan: "aptitude install grub2". Not a hard option. (it's in etch-backports too, actually) |
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| 12:29.13 | hid3 | I remember times when using anything but LILO was ridiculous. Why did everyone start using GRUB now? |
| 12:29.18 | merethan | themill, I am new to debian. SO far I only have seen a bit of aptitude and the debian installer |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | because lilo is fragile |
| 12:29.45 | hid3 | *life with LILO is fragile, I'd say. |
| 12:29.51 | merethan | hid3, because it is grand an unified ;) |
| 12:30.01 | abrotman | lilo had a lot of limitations that they did overcome, but grub really was a better option in most cases |
| 12:30.40 | hid3 | does grub have anything similar to `lilo -R`? |
| 12:30.54 | themill | merethan: so "about time" was based on absolutely no knowledge whatsoever. Be careful that you know what you're talking about before you start slagging things off. |
| 12:30.55 | hid3 | still using LILO if anyone cares |
| 12:31.07 | thewanderer1 | hid3: what does lilo -R do? |
| 12:31.25 | hid3 | Sets a boot kernel only for one time |
| 12:31.28 | abrotman | hid3: IIRC it does, but it's really not as big of a deal with the ability to edit options at the grub command line |
| 12:31.32 | frostschutz | wasn't lilo that horrible thing that broke every time you installed a new kernel? |
| 12:31.38 | hid3 | so if I make a new kernel and don't know if it will boot, I use -R option |
| 12:31.38 | thewanderer1 | I think there is some grub-reboot |
| 12:31.45 | merethan | themill, the about time was grub legacy > grub2 |
| 12:31.53 | frostschutz | hid3: grub has fallback for that |
| 12:31.57 | hid3 | If it fails, then I ask a monkey in the server room to press the 'reset' button and it boots another kernel |
| 12:32.01 | thewanderer1 | grub2 now has some auto-recovery, which doesn't work at all |
| 12:32.02 | merethan | I have never seen lilo, cant say anything about it |
| 12:32.11 | abrotman | merethan: remember that lenny was released over a year ago, and was frozen for awhile |
| 12:32.24 | thewanderer1 | i.e. on Ubuntu it would fail 50 times in a row with a broken kernel and still not change its choice |
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| 12:36.41 | lindi- | frostschutz: grub fallback is almost nice |
| 12:36.52 | lindi- | it requires quite a bit of thinking before use though |
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| 12:37.17 | frostschutz | it works fine for me ;) |
| 12:37.39 | amee2k | is it normal that about two or three times a day a small message window pops up that says "Your system had a kernel failure" ? |
| 12:38.13 | amee2k | with no further explanation as to the nature of the failure |
| 12:38.23 | amee2k | i've let it submit a report a couple times but it didn't help anything yet |
| 12:38.28 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: yeah, no worry about that! well. what do you think a kernel failure is? it's an ominous sign of impending disaster... |
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| 12:38.49 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: it happens when drivers crash |
| 12:38.56 | amee2k | okay |
| 12:39.17 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: upgrade your kernel to a more recent one, and if it keeps repeating, then worry :P |
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| 12:39.50 | amee2k | whats the current one for stable? |
| 12:40.08 | thewanderer1 | 2,6,26 |
| 12:40.18 | thewanderer1 | you can get a newer one from backports, though |
| 12:40.34 | amee2k | its running 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:40.51 | amee2k | hmm |
| 12:40.58 | amee2k | is that kernel supported? |
| 12:41.04 | hid3 | Start blaming on me because I always compile my custom kernel |
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| 12:41.14 | thewanderer1 | get sth more recent - for instance, I had those kernel crashes on Acer before I upgraded |
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| 12:41.26 | amee2k | oh, a laptop? |
| 12:41.41 | amee2k | incidentially the machine i keep having them on is a dell C610 laptop |
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| 12:42.04 | amee2k | (i had it once or twice when hot-unplugging sata drives on my desktop too, but thats it= |
| 12:42.07 | amee2k | ) |
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| 12:43.45 | thewanderer1 | yes, hotplug works rather bad when you don't have hotplug-capable motherboard nor disks |
| 12:44.38 | thewanderer1 | or are still using the disk in kernel :P |
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| 12:45.22 | thewanderer1 | with laptops, it happens very often - laptops are a den of poor-supported, cheap WinHardware waiting to break the specifications, expose quirks and laugh in your face |
| 12:45.51 | doudou | am i alive? |
| 12:46.08 | helena | in what respect? |
| 12:46.13 | rednammoc | thewanderer1: i've installed acl and restarted the system but mount -o remount,acl /media/myhd reply unknown mount option 'acl' |
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| 12:47.43 | thewanderer1 | rednammoc: acl is supported with ext3, ext4, xfs and reiserfs |
| 12:47.53 | rednammoc | thewanderer1: setfacl -R -m user:www-data:6 /media/myhd returns for each file "Operation not permitted" |
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| 12:49.03 | rednammoc | thewanderer1: oh. ok. another problem x) |
| 12:49.45 | doudou | i dont now if my upgrade lenny squeeze will work but i am still here, thanks for /var/cache/apt/archives because i found many packets from etch i manualy removed them and seems it installed, nut sometime it went unable to do .. no space in device, i should type aptitude reinstall ? |
| 12:49.50 | thewanderer1 | Windows filesystems don't support Unix permissions at all :P |
| 12:50.47 | doudou | how can i stop my computer speaking to me in french, i hate that feature, it is in english, because it writes things i am unable to translate afterwards? why they copy that stupidity from windows |
| 12:50.47 | rednammoc | thewanderer1: ext2 :P |
| 12:51.11 | themill | doudou: perhaps you'd get better help in #debian-fr. |
| 12:51.20 | themill | dpkg: tell doudou about localised errors |
| 12:51.29 | rednammoc | thewanderer: ntfs or fat should be no problem for svn xD |
| 12:51.49 | doudou | no debian-fr is for anything else than debian, you should try |
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| 12:52.36 | themill | doudou: it's on irc.oftc.net, not here. |
| 12:52.52 | thewanderer1 | rednammoc: perhaps your kernel doesn't include ext2 acl patch, or it is unloaded - try googling for the module name, if applicable (I don't know...) |
| 12:52.58 | doudou | thanks themill all install have complain about using "C" locale |
| 12:53.12 | thewanderer1 | rednammoc: time to migrate to ext3, anyway :P |
| 12:53.20 | merethan | I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze. In the process, udev got boned. Most likely because the running kernel is not compatible with the new udev. Rebooting (loading the new kernel) and issuing the upgrade command again should fix it? |
| 12:53.40 | doudou | debian-fr is not about debian, they are friends speaking of bear, if you ask technical question they all stare at you |
| 12:54.07 | rednammoc | thewanderer1: yeah. i should upgrade my os, too. just problems with that old debian :) |
| 12:54.12 | babilen | !tell doudou -about locales |
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| 12:54.24 | moldovean | doudou, #debianfr |
| 12:54.25 | BlackFate | merethan, should upgrade kernel first and then the rest of the system |
| 12:55.08 | merethan | Just found that out, yes |
| 12:55.18 | merethan | None of the tools provided me with the hint. |
| 12:55.42 | merethan | Why does aptitude not give a hint like that? |
| 12:55.50 | doudou | udev ask to reboot ... i beleived linux kernel was made so you never need to reboot |
| 12:56.11 | BlackFate | merethan, its package specific error. It's not like it a general rule |
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| 12:56.21 | BlackFate | its* |
| 12:56.33 | merethan | mm |
| 12:56.47 | merethan | doudou, how to live-switch the kernel? |
| 12:56.51 | doudou | sorry i prefer to train you to speak international english |
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| 13:06.38 | iwkse | merethan: did you force the installation of the new udev? |
| 13:06.44 | merethan | no |
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| 13:06.57 | merethan | aptitude full-upgrade failed at udev. Just found out the kernel is still at 2.6.26 too, so it probably came later. |
| 13:07.00 | iwkse | merethan: that's what you should do |
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| 13:07.10 | iwkse | merethan: but first install a new kernel |
| 13:07.20 | iwkse | than force udev, as written in the notice |
| 13:07.21 | BlackFate | dpkg: tell merethan about lenny->squeeze |
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| 13:07.24 | merethan | apt-get install kernel? |
| 13:07.43 | iwkse | dpkg will help you |
| 13:07.44 | dpkg | iwkse: no idea |
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| 13:08.32 | abrotman | merethan: make sure your metapackage is installed |
| 13:08.40 | kripz | Is there any easy way to convert ext3 to ext4 yet? |
| 13:08.53 | merethan | abrotman, metapackage for what package? |
| 13:09.01 | abrotman | your kernel |
| 13:09.03 | thewanderer1 | kripz: yeah, mount ext3 with ext4 type |
| 13:09.10 | abrotman | merethan: what does uname -r currently say? |
| 13:09.22 | BlackFate | dpkg: tell kripz about ext3->ext4 |
| 13:11.26 | merethan | abrotman, 2.6.26 |
| 13:11.34 | abrotman | that's not what it says |
| 13:11.41 | merethan | one sec |
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| 13:13.57 | pyrophelia | noobie question, will the speed of a btrfs cluster increase as you add more nodes to the cluster or will it remain static relative to the slowest node? |
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| 13:15.00 | abrotman | pyrophelia: there is a #btrfs |
| 13:15.21 | pyrophelia | oh wasn't aware sorry |
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| 13:18.00 | merethan | abrotman, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:18.04 | merethan | Just rebooted |
| 13:18.11 | abrotman | okay .. now try your full-upgrade again |
| 13:18.17 | abrotman | pyrophelia: neither was i :) |
| 13:18.18 | merethan | A new problem emerged, my ethernet is broken |
| 13:18.38 | merethan | If the machine was in a data center I would be boned now |
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| 13:19.13 | merethan | Intel e100: It now requests firmware. Never noticed before. |
| 13:19.58 | merethan | Debian non-free issue |
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| 13:21.21 | abrotman | yeah, it was removed, it was in lenny's kernel |
| 13:21.28 | merethan | cool |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | FSVO cool |
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| 13:21.37 | thewanderer1 | merethan: the same goes for e100e, but if you boot a machine over PXE, it loads a PXE stack so you can hack around the firmware requirement and use it without firmware |
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| 13:22.15 | merethan | Why does a ethernet device require firmware anyway? |
| 13:22.22 | thewanderer1 | merethan: I don't know |
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| 13:22.43 | thewanderer1 | it can be hacked so that no server responds with a proper DHCP option, then the kernel leaves the PXE stack in place and does IP autoconf |
| 13:22.51 | thewanderer1 | based on what you receive from DHCP |
| 13:22.52 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:23.08 | merethan | anyway, I need some way to obtain the firmware and get it into /lib/firmware |
| 13:23.18 | thewanderer1 | merethan: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 13:23.22 | abrotman | merethan: it's likely in bleh |
| 13:23.27 | merethan | That sounds a lot easyer to me than seting up PXE and all |
| 13:23.59 | thewanderer1 | I think rtl8139 is the only free network card now... |
| 13:24.18 | petemc_ | if the machine does pxe then it probably loads basic firmware which may allow it to work in a limited fashion in linux |
| 13:24.32 | petemc_ | thats the case on a sun box i have that uses broadcom nics |
| 13:24.53 | thewanderer1 | petemc_: I used a desktop system on the PXE stack without the non-free firmware |
| 13:24.57 | thewanderer1 | it's strange anyway |
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| 13:25.42 | merethan | Found it. Now I need to find a way of transporting it |
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| 13:25.49 | merethan | My network is down |
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| 13:26.51 | petemc_ | use xxd to get the binary and type the 1s and 0s in manually |
| 13:27.02 | TheAvatar | Anybody that can tell me, if this is possible or not. (virtual ftp users/shared access/admin access) http://pastebin.com/Zav8iSef |
| 13:27.03 | petemc_ | or use a usb key |
| 13:28.14 | merethan | yeah I found out the machine was two usb ports |
| 13:28.38 | merethan | No idea wether they are enabled in the firmware. Don't even know if they work at all. |
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| 13:28.59 | petemc_ | i would imagine they work fine |
| 13:30.07 | merethan | They don't |
| 13:30.10 | merethan | Damnit |
| 13:30.23 | doudou | they repaired debian-fr ... |
| 13:30.28 | petemc_ | you mean the drive wasnt mounted automatically, or they dont work? |
| 13:30.36 | merethan | No power on them, |
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| 13:30.53 | rektide | how can i audit the monthly traffic of a daemon? |
| 13:31.01 | petemc_ | merethan: did you build this box? |
| 13:31.04 | rektide | say for example git daemon |
| 13:31.21 | merethan | petemc_, well, I modified it. |
| 13:31.32 | merethan | I found it in a dumpser |
| 13:31.42 | petemc_ | rektide: you would need to have something in place to do that kind of thing, i used to use ipac-NG |
| 13:31.44 | merethan | It is my hoppy/test server since then. |
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| 13:31.59 | merethan | It needed some modifications to work, yes. |
| 13:32.03 | petemc_ | merethan: does it have the cables going to the usb jumpers on the motherboard? |
| 13:32.03 | derik | where i can see error log of apache and debian ? |
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| 13:32.46 | merethan | petemc_, it used to be a U1 package. No room for gimmicks like that. |
| 13:32.51 | merethan | Directly to the mainboard |
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| 13:33.37 | petemc_ | merethan: a jumper for usb doesnt take up much room |
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| 13:35.40 | merethan | petemc_, I haven't looked at the jumpers yet, nice idea. |
| 13:35.57 | merethan | The firmware (bios) however does not have any USB options |
| 13:36.00 | merethan | none |
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| 13:36.42 | pyrophelia | if I wanted to remotely control a desktop should I go with vnc or kde/gnome remote desktop? What is the advantage of vnc over a stock desktop enviro's remote control? |
| 13:37.04 | thewanderer1 | why does GNOME show me "Battery - charged" when it's still charging? |
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| 13:37.40 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: they are the same thing - KDE and GNOME remote desktop use VNC as the protocol. |
| 13:37.46 | pyrophelia | ah |
| 13:37.55 | pyrophelia | that's the part i wasn't sure about |
| 13:38.17 | pyrophelia | so, basically as long as there is some kind of vnc server running. I can pick whatever client I want and be on my way, correct? |
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| 13:39.43 | merethan | Ha lol, again I see how pointless the bios is. I set the IDE devices on disabled but they are enabled at boot again without a hitch. |
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| 13:41.15 | Infin1ty | is there a repo for sun-java jdk/jre for debian lenny? i can't seems to find |
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| 13:43.16 | moldovean | Infin1ty, /msg dpkg java |
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| 13:43.50 | Infin1ty | moldovean, thanks |
| 13:43.55 | moldovean | yw |
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| 13:45.54 | amee2k | thewanderer1: are you sure backports have a newer kernel? |
| 13:46.18 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: no, but they should |
| 13:46.29 | thewanderer1 | like 2.6.32 ... |
| 13:46.36 | themill | ,kernels |
| 13:46.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc5-686 (2.6.35~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 13:47.00 | amee2k | (sorry for the delay btw) |
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| 13:47.57 | amee2k | thewanderer1: my desktop box uses backports. all updates are installed but it only runs 2.6.2.26-2 too |
| 13:48.10 | thewanderer1 | lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 13:48.31 | themill | amee2k: backports aren't enabled by default. Check the instructions on the bpo website. |
| 13:48.34 | thewanderer1 | apt-get won't install backports on its own, that would be like Sparta |
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| 13:50.09 | amee2k | themill: its in my sources list and i can manually install stuff from the repo |
| 13:51.07 | themill | that's not the same as hoping that "aptitude upgrade" will automatically pick up packages from bpo. They aren't enabled by default. |
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| 13:53.06 | doudou | can i install xen without a cpu doing virtualization? |
| 13:53.30 | petemc_ | yes |
| 13:53.42 | petemc_ | it does paravirt very well |
| 13:53.51 | doudou | only slower? |
| 13:54.14 | doudou | thanks |
| 13:54.16 | petemc_ | slower than what? |
| 13:54.27 | petemc_ | paravirt can often be faster than native for some things |
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| 13:54.31 | thewanderer1 | slower than you can say "slower" |
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| 13:55.22 | merethan | petemc_, USB doesn't work. The host controller shows up in dmesg and all, but no usb device starts |
| 13:55.30 | merethan | I 'll boot the old kernel |
| 13:55.38 | merethan | ship in the deb |
| 13:55.42 | merethan | then reboot |
| 13:55.43 | thewanderer1 | nothing is faster than native, containers are a bit slower than native, full virt is slower than containers and emulation is slower than full virt... paravirt falls between full virt and emulation I think |
| 13:57.01 | doudou | because windows 7 virtualisation does not work without virt cpu, now i try to find how to install squeeze on xen kernel, maybe i should install squeeze, then ask xen? |
| 13:57.38 | doudou | ask, i mean install |
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| 13:58.02 | petemc_ | thewanderer1: for some operations (like i said) paravirt can be faster than native |
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| 13:59.06 | thewanderer1 | petemc_: what kind of operations? and how are you going to be faster than real hardware? |
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| 14:01.07 | wrksx | hi all |
| 14:01.33 | wrksx | how can I chown a file or dir which I own without using sudo ? |
| 14:01.34 | petemc_ | thewanderer1: feel free to google it |
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| 14:04.08 | jestinjoy | hi.. i am getting sound through both headphone and speaker in my laptop... |
| 14:04.11 | doudou | maybe hardware do some checks |
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| 14:04.33 | jestinjoy | but its working fine on win xp |
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| 14:06.28 | hodges | How do I increase how long SSH can idle before disconnecting? |
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| 14:07.42 | thewanderer1 | hodges: it's a TCP thing. |
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| 14:08.08 | hodges | thewanderer1, I was looking for some sort of timeout value but don't see it. |
| 14:08.29 | thewanderer1 | hodges: specifically, if there are any routers between you and the destination, you have already lost unless you can reconfigure the TCP timeouts on the router |
| 14:08.30 | petemc_ | its probably not ssh but some router/firewall between your client and server |
| 14:08.53 | wwarrior | hodges, did you try de ssh config ? |
| 14:09.20 | hodges | wwarrior, yeah I'm looking at it |
| 14:09.32 | quiritius | it's about suspend. i have dell latitude d630. it probably requires parameter acpi_video_flags=2 which is set in sysctl.conf and after boot it is indeed set. However, during sleep the velue is reset to "0" and the system wakes up to a wrong screen. I need to manually switch to tty7 to log in again. how to make the parameter to stay as set in sysctl.conf? |
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| 14:09.43 | thewanderer1 | hodges: you can use a hacked bash that sends bytes to the output and then blanks them out with backspace character |
| 14:09.57 | hodges | it seems to drop more frequently under debian than centos though so I thought maybe it was some kind of config option |
| 14:10.34 | thewanderer1 | hodges: you can also use byobu (screen profiles) so that you have interactive widgets in your bash session that keep the stream flowing |
| 14:10.34 | jtheuer | Can I monitor the cpu, ram and i/o of a certain process? I want to stress-test a database server and want to know how much time is spent on i/o and so on. |
| 14:10.49 | thewanderer1 | jtheuer: top |
| 14:11.08 | merethan | petemc_, everything works again. Can I now end (finish) my full upgrade by issuing aptitude full-upgrade once more? |
| 14:11.15 | jtheuer | thewanderer1: isn't it live only? |
| 14:11.33 | jtheuer | or can it dump/collect the data? |
| 14:11.36 | wwarrior | hodges, check out "idle-timeout=time" |
| 14:11.37 | petemc_ | merethan: you might want to put a copy of the firmware somehwhere you can access it after you upgrade the kernel |
| 14:11.50 | merethan | I have the deb on disk |
| 14:11.58 | petemc_ | all good then |
| 14:12.00 | merethan | Also note that my kernel is now up to date |
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| 14:12.04 | thewanderer1 | jtheuer: it can't collect data and it is interactive. if you need profiling, this is a tough one. |
| 14:12.07 | merethan | as is my udev |
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| 14:12.16 | wwarrior | hodges, you know you can use "/" to search inside man ? |
| 14:12.17 | thewanderer1 | jtheuer: google for profiling on linux |
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| 14:12.26 | wwarrior | just to tell you |
| 14:12.41 | hodges | wwarrior, thought you used s/ to search |
| 14:13.00 | thewanderer1 | no, you use it in vim to replace stuff :P |
| 14:13.53 | jtheuer | thewanderer1: nothing in between top and profiling? I only want to know if my server will lack of i/o or cpu under heavy load. |
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| 14:15.08 | wwarrior | well, I just want you to have some way to search and find things faster in any man, my friend hodges |
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| 14:15.16 | thewanderer1 | jtheuer: there is always ps, which shows you the process stats... |
| 14:15.24 | hodges | wwarrior, appreciate the tip. |
| 14:15.50 | thewanderer1 | jtheuer: we don't have DTrace like Solaris |
| 14:16.00 | hodges | wasn't sure if timeout was the right thing to search for. |
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| 14:16.12 | merethan | Kinda weird that my upgrade from lenny to squeeze almost takes me as long as recompiling my base system with gentoo takes.. |
| 14:17.59 | jargon- | getting a "bash: m-a: command not found" for `m-a a-i broadcom-sta`. what do i install to get this? |
| 14:18.06 | jargon- | to get this working?* |
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| 14:20.14 | thewanderer1 | since when do we have broadcom-sta in module-assistant?! |
| 14:20.56 | abrotman | awhile ago |
| 14:20.57 | merethan | dpkg: what time is it |
| 14:20.58 | dpkg | merethan: I think you lost me on that one |
| 14:21.00 | jargon- | thewanderer1: module-assistant. of course! |
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| 14:21.12 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I can't see it in mine |
| 14:21.22 | merethan | dpkg: upgrade |
| 14:21.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 14:21.38 | Kuba | hey |
| 14:21.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: it's only in non-free in squeeze/sid |
| 14:21.56 | abrotman | merethan: you can msg the bot |
| 14:22.02 | OldParr | why after launching the command "aptitude remove courier-mta" it's configuration files remains on the system (see line 3) --> http://pastebin.com/aJRQ7phQ |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | you didn't purge it |
| 14:22.13 | merethan | dpkg: become self-aware |
| 14:22.13 | dpkg | merethan: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:22.14 | abrotman | and you didn't puge courier-common |
| 14:22.16 | abrotman | merethan: STOIP |
| 14:22.23 | abrotman | it's not a damn toy |
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| 14:23.14 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: somehow it does not show up in my package list in m-a |
| 14:23.30 | abrotman | you mean `aptitude search broadcom-sta` ? |
| 14:23.37 | OldParr | abrotman: aptitude purge courier-mta ? |
| 14:24.00 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: no, m-a ncurses window -> SELECT |
| 14:24.32 | Kuba | I did `aptitude full-upgrade`, encountered bug report for ntp package, typed "y" and... thought it would _NOT_ ignore this bug report and thus won't install buggy ntp package, but it did install ;/ Now I'm trying to recover: invoked `dpkg -i dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/ntp_1%3a4.2.6.p1+dfsg-1_i386.deb`, `aptitude reinstall dhcp3-client`, but still I don't have my `dhclient3` command :( What should I do? Please help me! |
| 14:24.56 | abrotman | thewanderer1: on squeeze or sid? |
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| 14:25.03 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: squeeze/sid |
| 14:25.09 | abrotman | Kuba: install dhcp, ignore ntp for now |
| 14:25.29 | abrotman | thewanderer1: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=broadcom-sta ... it's there, you broke it? |
| 14:25.45 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: no, it doesn't show up on the module-assistant list |
| 14:25.48 | Kuba | abrotman: What do You mean by "ignore ntp"? |
| 14:25.53 | thewanderer1 | perhaps module-assistant doesn't know about it |
| 14:25.55 | themill | !squeeze ntp |
| 14:25.55 | dpkg | As of 2010-07-24, the ntp package in squeeze conflicts with the isc-dhcp-client package. FIXED by isc-dhcp-clent 4.1.1-P1-9 in squeeze as of 2010-07-26 2300UTC. |
| 14:26.05 | abrotman | Kuba: install ntp in a day or two .. just work on dhcp for now |
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| 14:26.24 | abrotman | themill: may not have synced to all mirrors htough |
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| 14:26.54 | thewanderer1 | why the hell would ntp conflict with dhcp? |
| 14:26.56 | themill | you can just pull the package directly from sid if you want. (and it should have made it to all primary mirrors at least by now) |
| 14:27.01 | Kuba | abrotman: Well, I'm on testing actually; why is then dpkg bot saying it is "FIXED"? :D |
| 14:27.01 | themill | thewanderer1: change in config file location |
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| 14:27.44 | abrotman | Kuba: it just hasn't reached your mirror yet i'd guess |
| 14:28.14 | Kuba | abrotman: Okay; but is it possible to get bacvk dhclient3 without waiting for that package? |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | that's how i have it currently |
| 14:28.51 | Kuba | zsh: command not found: dhclient3 |
| 14:28.54 | Kuba | ;O |
| 14:29.01 | Kuba | Am I missing something? |
| 14:29.14 | jtheuer | dhclient3 |
| 14:29.21 | themill | Kuba: you need to install the isc-dhcp-clent and isc-dhcp-common 4.1.1-P1-9 packages. |
| 14:30.43 | Kuba | themill: that is what I have right now |
| 14:31.40 | Kuba | isc-dhcp-client that is, not clent |
| 14:31.41 | themill | it's now "dhclient" not "dhclient3", it seems |
| 14:32.04 | Kuba | kinda strange |
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| 14:32.11 | OldParr | is there something wrong about purging every package you remove ? |
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| 14:32.41 | thewanderer1 | OldParr: no, it's the same as burning robbed houses |
| 14:33.20 | abrotman | OldParr: some people like to keep config files in case they install the package again |
| 14:33.34 | Kuba | themill: Then its output is totally different; actually it gives me no output, whereas dhclient3 printed out some information like DHCPREQUEST, DHCPOFFER |
| 14:34.10 | Kuba | Well, please tell me what is the proper way of downgrading a package? Is there any? |
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| 14:34.50 | themill | Kuba: no. See the man page for a -v option. |
| 14:35.15 | OldParr | if i use "aptitude purge any-package" it removes and also purges, there is no need to "aptitude remove any-package" before ? |
| 14:35.35 | themill | no |
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| 14:41.33 | nameless` | hi |
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| 14:42.46 | nameless` | what is the most proper way to update my kernel to the version 2.6.34 on a stable debian ? |
| 14:42.50 | jargon- | i removed the bottom panel and added a 'Window List' to the top panel, but it's not listing any windows. any ideas? |
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| 14:44.51 | krion | anyone free to help with topic related to extended ACLs ? |
| 14:45.04 | krion | http://pastebin.com/7wMi2X2D |
| 14:45.10 | krion | i don't know what's wrong here |
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| 14:45.30 | krion | from my POV, default:user:userfour:rwx should be enough in order to cd directory |
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| 14:45.59 | thewanderer1 | krion: no, default ACL is a default ACL |
| 14:46.05 | thewanderer1 | it does no effect besides inheritance |
| 14:47.44 | thewanderer1 | a default ACL does not do anything on its own - when you create subfiles or subdirectories, they will inherit both default ACL and obtain a real ACL entry compiled from the default ACL of the parent |
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| 14:48.12 | hebz0rl | hi im using scponly on debian lenny i added a user which uses scponly but when he connects he ends up in / not in his home folder |
| 14:48.27 | sylar | my clock is late by 15m |
| 14:48.34 | krion | thewanderer1: oh ok |
| 14:48.37 | Kuba | Can I get the files list of specified package version? ;d |
| 14:48.55 | sylar | and it is supposed to be on ntpd |
| 14:48.58 | sylar | :S |
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| 14:50.08 | krion | thewanderer1: perfect, i had a new acl without default: and it works way better |
| 14:50.17 | krion | thewanderer1: thanks you for your help |
| 14:50.30 | jargon- | no yahoo in pidgin on lenny? |
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| 14:50.58 | thewanderer1 | jargon-: works for me |
| 14:51.16 | OldParr | can i erase a virtual package with aptitude? |
| 14:51.24 | thewanderer1 | just remove it |
| 14:51.35 | jargon- | thewanderer1: it's not in the protocols list on my pidgin for some reason |
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| 14:52.08 | jargon- | thewanderer1: neither is msn,now that i take a closer look |
| 14:52.11 | thewanderer1 | jargon-: then something is broken :P |
| 14:52.24 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you forgot to upgrade some libs with pidgin |
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| 14:52.42 | moldovean | jargon-, /msg dpkg pidgin , use backports one |
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| 14:54.27 | OldParr | how do i erase this virtual package ? (see line 5) ----> http://pastebin.com/zFzhkMKT |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | you don't have to, it doesn't really exist |
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| 14:55.38 | OldParr | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:08.14 | jargon- | moldovean: thanks,that did the trick. |
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| 15:12.49 | fubada | hi, anyone using "jailkit" for chroot on debian |
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| 15:17.55 | LemensTS | where do i find info on upgrading from lenny to newer version of lenny? google is only showing me etch to lenny |
| 15:19.14 | themill | LemensTS: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 15:21.43 | beardy | To really find info on it, either read 'man aptitude' or The Debian Reference. |
| 15:21.52 | beardy | !reference |
| 15:21.52 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 15:34.21 | Trekki | hi people. I want to try out muon, an apt-based KDE package manager. Unfortunately, the developer only supplies ubuntu resources at the moment. |
| 15:34.36 | Trekki | is it safe for me to add his PPA to my sources list? (which would be deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/echidnaman/qapt/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main) |
| 15:34.53 | Trekki | and adjusting the ubuntu version to squeeze’s equivalent |
| 15:34.53 | thewanderer1 | Trekki: no, ask him to release a proper package or become a maintainer |
| 15:35.12 | thewanderer1 | Ubuntu packages are not Debian packages |
| 15:35.19 | Trekki | I'm trying to compile it from sources, but I encountered a few complications on the way |
| 15:35.24 | Trekki | hmk |
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| 15:35.49 | thewanderer1 | Trekki: if you encounter complications when compiling, then there will be some when running it from an unsupported deb, too |
| 15:35.58 | Trekki | is it because they use a different categorisation or the likes? From a newb’s standpoint, both use deb files |
| 15:36.18 | thewanderer1 | no, those systems have different libraries |
| 15:36.26 | thewanderer1 | and different file locations |
| 15:36.33 | Trekki | well, the complication is that I need to compile more than just the program itself, b/c it has dependencies that are not in my sources |
| 15:36.54 | thewanderer1 | Trekki: then you won't be able to just install the deb package anyway |
| 15:36.58 | thewanderer1 | if it depends on something else |
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| 15:37.00 | Trekki | well, his PPA only has those few packages in them https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt |
| 15:37.11 | Trekki | which contains said dependency I don’t have |
| 15:37.18 | thewanderer1 | then get them and compile them, or use Ubuntu |
| 15:37.23 | datacrusher | iv made a script here, but when i call it i got an error "!/bin/bash: no such file or folder" (or sort off, im using in other language) |
| 15:37.24 | Trekki | well OK, I’ll try compiling them as well |
| 15:37.30 | Trekki | yuck |
| 15:37.32 | Trekki | ^^ |
| 15:37.46 | thewanderer1 | you can do us a favour and make Debian packages from them, see forums.debian.net for hints how to build packages the smart way |
| 15:38.04 | Trekki | hm... I’m still fairly new to debian and its works |
| 15:38.17 | Trekki | I’ve been a Gentooan for 5 years |
| 15:38.18 | nsadmin | datacrusher: run your script this way: LANG=C scriptname |
| 15:38.40 | nsadmin | I've been a human for 2... |
| 15:39.06 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I suggest recommending the new maintainers guide instead |
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| 15:40.05 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: building a package does not necessarily mean becoming a maintainer, and a short HOWTO might be more appropriate in this ad-hoc endeavour |
| 15:40.32 | datacrusher | nsadmin, how do i do this? change on the first line of the script? |
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| 15:40.42 | jordanm | thewanderer1: IMO, anything that can be covered with a short HOWTO, can be automated with checkinstall |
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| 15:40.48 | nsadmin | how do you normally run your script |
| 15:40.50 | datacrusher | or i put this on the trigger, since i call this as a cronjob |
| 15:41.00 | datacrusher | iv put a line on cron to call it ./script.sh |
| 15:41.15 | nsadmin | ./? |
| 15:41.17 | datacrusher | it runs everyday at 00 23 |
| 15:41.20 | datacrusher | yes |
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| 15:41.44 | Trekki | while I’m here, there’s another thibg bugging me: I tried to get uvesafb running which I was so accustomed to. But I couldn’t find a way that was without compiling an own kernel. Can you confirm this? |
| 15:41.54 | nsadmin | call it like this: /the/fully/qualified/path/to/script.sh |
| 15:42.41 | nsadmin | you're assuming a guarantee of what dir cron will be cd-ed into |
| 15:43.00 | nsadmin | must walk turtle and get milk :) |
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| 15:49.16 | TZug | hy |
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| 15:49.45 | TZug | has anyone tryed debian with an Intel D510mo (Atom) Board? |
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| 15:50.00 | jordanm | !hcl |
| 15:50.00 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the Linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 15:50.54 | hello | there is any debian package for thunderbird |
| 15:51.07 | thewanderer1 | can Linux ever load a part of a TCP segment into the buffer and discard the rest? like I get an incomplete packet when I do read() from a socket... |
| 15:51.42 | thewanderer1 | TZug: I have it running nicely with 945GCLF2 |
| 15:51.46 | thewanderer1 | (Atom 330) |
| 15:52.03 | moldovean | hello, /msg dpkg thunderbird |
| 15:52.27 | TZug | I installed debain 5.03 it seemes to work fine, eerything was detected, but I couldn't get the the networc interface to connect. Now after some reboots it won't even list with 'lspci' rest is fine only the network is bothering me |
| 15:52.35 | hello | thx |
| 15:52.37 | Trekki | \o/ I fetched the missing lib from KDE’s svn, it’s compiling now |
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| 15:53.07 | thewanderer1 | TZug: check with the bios. also, those machines seem to use Realtek components, you might need to get drivers/firmware. |
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| 15:53.59 | thewanderer1 | how efficient is the dpkg-bot here? if I spam it with requests, will it handle them nicely? |
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| 15:55.11 | hello | moldovean |
| 15:55.13 | hello | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
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| 15:55.39 | moldovean | hello, put it here in irc line |
| 15:55.52 | hello | hehe |
| 15:55.54 | hello | okay |
| 15:56.08 | TZug | thewanderer1: i updated bios up to the newest version, already compiled and tryed the latest driver from realtec, its not that the driver wont work, its the thin that the hardware doen't list (lspci) any more |
| 15:56.14 | moldovean | hello, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 15:56.37 | hello | okayi got its ansewer in im |
| 15:56.41 | hello | pm |
| 15:56.52 | hello | icedove |
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| 15:57.05 | hello | icedov or evolution ? |
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| 15:57.13 | hello | icedov or evolution ? |
| 15:57.20 | moldovean | hello, keep it for you , it's a secret |
| 15:57.26 | thewanderer1 | TZug, then it's screwed up, seriously |
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| 15:57.56 | hello | both are same ?? |
| 15:57.58 | autopsy | Anyone Familiar with using Debian inside of Windows XP Qemu and sharing files between the two using Samba, and Microsoft SMB? |
| 15:58.15 | moldovean | hello, i use iceape .. |
| 15:58.32 | thewanderer1 | autopsy: why don't you just read the qemu documentation? |
| 15:58.41 | TZug | how big is the chance that this happens twice in a row with a new board? |
| 15:58.47 | autopsy | thewanderer1, I have for two days. |
| 15:58.53 | hello | oky |
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| 15:59.11 | autopsy | thewanderer1, that is why I have come in the channel to ask a few things, like if anyone is more familiar with it than I am now. |
| 15:59.34 | thewanderer1 | !ask |
| 15:59.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:00.34 | thewanderer1 | TZug: check with other operating systems |
| 16:00.54 | thewanderer1 | TZug: if lspci doesn't list something, it usually doesn't exist, though |
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| 16:01.17 | autopsy | Unseated cards will not show up in lspci. |
| 16:01.47 | thewanderer1 | an integrated ethernet controller is unlikely to be "unseated" |
| 16:01.57 | autopsy | Ah. Check the BIOS. |
| 16:02.03 | autopsy | It could be disabled. |
| 16:02.45 | TZug | thewanderer1: thats what I tought too, but how could it be there one second and be gone the next reboot. Intel doesn't support Linux. They only tell me to install Windows |
| 16:03.02 | jordanm | TZug: intel is one of the best supporters of linux |
| 16:03.06 | thewanderer1 | TZug: it is most surely a BIOS thing |
| 16:03.14 | TZug | autopsy: bios is updated and ofcourse I enabled the on board lan deice |
| 16:03.17 | autopsy | TZug, some Linux kernel modules like 8139cp and 8139too interfere with each other. Causing weirdness like that. |
| 16:03.24 | abrotman | it's possible the update cooked the device |
| 16:03.36 | thewanderer1 | autopsy: lspci shows everything, regardless of drivers |
| 16:03.43 | thewanderer1 | unless the kernel PCI code is toast. |
| 16:03.44 | autopsy | tulip had this problem back around 2.6.9 |
| 16:04.21 | thewanderer1 | TZug: can you boot your board from PXE? |
| 16:04.21 | autopsy | TZug, so it showed up in lspci and then it disappeared? |
| 16:04.34 | abrotman | thewanderer1: not if the device is not functional electronically |
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| 16:04.44 | autopsy | True abrotman. |
| 16:04.47 | thewanderer1 | TZug: check whether you can boot over PXE |
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| 16:05.00 | abrotman | check whether the BIOS sees it at all |
| 16:05.01 | jordanm | I have seen some on-board wifi show as a usb device. was lsusb checked? |
| 16:05.37 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: on-board != PCI... stuff does not change interfaces like that! |
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| 16:05.53 | autopsy | thewanderer1, on board devices are most surely PCI. |
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| 16:06.01 | thewanderer1 | I see no way a device could be switched from USB to PCI, besides a jumper |
| 16:06.12 | thewanderer1 | autopsy: there is also on-board USB using connectors and duct tape |
| 16:06.35 | TZug | I have two similar bords here (D510mo) One with shiped BIOS the other with updated BIOS I installed Debian and used it a few times but I couldn't get the network to function properly. Now I updated the Realtec driver and NOW it won't show up in lspci with or without loaded drivers |
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| 16:06.39 | autopsy | TZug, is your PSU up to specs with the processors and devices you have? |
| 16:06.53 | thewanderer1 | TZug: then it's the Realtek drivers |
| 16:07.05 | autopsy | TZug, see, it is Realtek. Is it using 8139cp or 8139too? |
| 16:07.19 | autopsy | You said Intel before. |
| 16:07.19 | abrotman | or ignore the BIOS ... |
| 16:07.24 | thewanderer1 | TZug: I think this board uses something different |
| 16:07.50 | autopsy | Guys, 8139cp and 8139too interfere with each other on some Realtek chips. |
| 16:07.53 | thewanderer1 | TZug: it is most probably a 1GbE interface, so not 8139 chip |
| 16:08.01 | TZug | r8169 was from Debian 5.03 i build myself the r8168 none of these are working |
| 16:08.13 | nsadmin | you updated the driver? that should not affect whether it shows up in lspci |
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| 16:08.20 | TZug | thanks |
| 16:08.24 | autopsy | TZug, what _does_ lspci show you? |
| 16:08.35 | autopsy | That is important right now. |
| 16:08.53 | thewanderer1 | if it's "GRUB GRUB GRUB" then get a fire extinguisher |
| 16:08.57 | TZug | every device except the Realtec Networc interface (shown beforebut not any more) |
| 16:09.16 | abrotman | TZug: does the BIOS see the device? at all? |
| 16:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | I wouldn't think that two 8139 different drivers would be appropriate on the same system in most cases. |
| 16:09.28 | autopsy | TZug, how many watts is your PSU and what processors on on this board, also does it have a high end graphics card? |
| 16:09.40 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: it's not 8139. |
| 16:09.48 | TZug | abrodman: BIOS gives me the option to enable and disable but not if it exists |
| 16:09.54 | autopsy | jhutchins_lt, it isn't, the kernel doesn't know that and upon probing loads both sometimes. |
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| 16:10.04 | abrotman | TZug: does the link light on the card light up? |
| 16:10.05 | thewanderer1 | autopsy: it's atom, no PCIe/AGP slot, my board draws about 50 watts with all crap |
| 16:10.17 | jtheuer | can grep show me only the line AFTER the occurence? |
| 16:10.29 | TZug | autopsy: D510mo 22W I guess with On Board Intel Graphics |
| 16:10.52 | jordanm | jtheuer: with -B it can show the line + the line after. what are you trying to do? |
| 16:11.05 | thewanderer1 | TZug: okay, you need r8169 for this |
| 16:11.27 | thewanderer1 | TZug: can you identify the network device? |
| 16:11.41 | jtheuer | jordanm: extract statistics from a dump file. but the interesting line has no unique identifier, however in the line before it says "cpu:" |
| 16:11.51 | TZug | 8111/somthing B |
| 16:12.13 | thewanderer1 | TZug: do you have the original lspci line stored somewhere? |
| 16:12.15 | autopsy | So anyone know the funkiness in Qemu's networking? I run smbclient -L <HOST> from within Debian, and I can get both the Debian server's shares printed, and the Windows' system shares printed, but niether seem to be able to mount one another's shares. |
| 16:12.16 | jordanm | jtheuer: do you plan to read the output, or use it for some other scripting? |
| 16:12.29 | autopsy | I think something weird is going on but I'm not sure what. |
| 16:13.06 | thewanderer1 | autopsy: is your broadcast working between the host and the guest? I would think Samba needs that... |
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| 16:13.37 | TZug | from the time it still worked: lspci ... Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 16:13.46 | jordanm | broadcasting is only needed for zeroconf "discorvery". if you have the machines IP, netbios broadcasts should not be required |
| 16:13.48 | autopsy | thewanderer1, I am not sure, and I suspect the answer is no. |
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| 16:14.09 | tharkun | i have this directory with the following permissions drwxr-sr-x <-- what does the s mean and how do i replicate it in case i need it |
| 16:14.17 | thewanderer1 | autopsy: with regard to what jordanm said, perhaps some kind of authentication is failing you? |
| 16:14.30 | thewanderer1 | TZug, I have the same, but rev 02 |
| 16:14.38 | jordanm | tharkun: setgid |
| 16:15.02 | tharkun | jordanm: thx I'll go on from here on the chmod man page |
| 16:15.09 | jordanm | tharkun: if you search setgid in the chmod manpage, it should tell you how to set it |
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| 16:15.11 | thewanderer1 | TZug: get rid of Realtek's blob drivers and reboot |
| 16:15.12 | jordanm | tharkun: yep :) |
| 16:15.14 | TZug | which drier are you using? |
| 16:15.22 | thewanderer1 | TZug: rtl8169 |
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| 16:16.20 | thewanderer1 | TZug: have you checked that your NIC works by trying to boot from it? |
| 16:16.29 | autopsy | thewanderer1, k. Maybe. |
| 16:16.47 | thewanderer1 | autopsy: I would suggest trying to do some debugging with logs |
| 16:16.52 | TZug | thewanderer1: I put the Debian installation DVD in and tryed the installation process and now the installation process can't find the NIC either |
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| 16:17.17 | thewanderer1 | TZug: okay, now reboot the machine and enter the boot selection menu |
| 16:17.31 | thewanderer1 | select Intel Boot Agent and see if the light goes up |
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| 16:18.16 | jtheuer | jordanm: I found "iostat" to monitor my cpu and io. But I want to have a CSV-like output in the end |
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| 16:19.04 | thewanderer1 | jtheuer: bash, grep, awk and sed are your friends :P |
| 16:19.04 | jtheuer | jordanm: so far I think it is easy to log the output of iostat and remove the unnesseary lines with grep |
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| 16:19.32 | jtheuer | yeah right, just need to know how to handle my friends. that was my original question, thewanderer1 |
| 16:20.13 | thewanderer1 | jtheuer: when I need a line after the occurence, I usually do sth like "grep -A 1 | tail -n 1" |
| 16:20.17 | jordanm | jtheuer: I would read one line at a time, and check with if grep; then read next couple lines; something like that |
| 16:20.31 | autopsy | thewanderer1, ok. It was a username,password issue from the guest to host and I didn't have smbfs package installed which I assume has mount.cifs in it. |
| 16:20.43 | Burns | anyone good with ddclient |
| 16:20.46 | jtheuer | ok |
| 16:20.48 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 16:20.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:20.54 | Burns | after adding new hosts on it the new one doesnt get updated |
| 16:21.00 | Burns | do i have to run something |
| 16:21.00 | jordanm | jtheuer: so you have two options to look at |
| 16:21.14 | thewanderer1 | Burns: no, I don't think it ever worked for me with multiple hosts |
| 16:21.16 | autopsy | I have ADHD and don't think well unless someone makes me, by saying "Hey numb nutz what about your credentials" |
| 16:21.18 | TZug | thewandere1: i have set network boot as primary boot option, removed all other mediums and it doesn't hold at Network PXE Boot (isn't working) |
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| 16:21.41 | Burns | works for me but after addin one more it stopped |
| 16:21.47 | TZug | neither with the Shiped nor the Board with updated BIOS |
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| 16:22.00 | thewanderer1 | TZug: so you're saying that PXE boot does not work? |
| 16:22.18 | thewanderer1 | is your LAN cable connected and do you have some DHCP there? |
| 16:22.39 | TZug | thewanderer1: Cable yes, DHCP yes |
| 16:22.51 | thewanderer1 | Burns: it works for me with one entry, doesn't work with two, you figure it out |
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| 16:23.08 | TZug | thewanderer1: but nothing to boot from in the network :-) |
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| 16:23.21 | thewanderer1 | TZug: what are the results? does it issue a DHCP request and receive a response? |
| 16:23.29 | thewanderer1 | TZug: well, what are you writing from? :P |
| 16:24.08 | thewanderer1 | TZug: I think you should setup a test PXE site and see if it boots - so that you know the NIC is actually working |
| 16:24.21 | TZug | thewanderer1: Win 7 x64 Noetbook inside the Network |
| 16:24.24 | thewanderer1 | it's no rocket science, just set one option in DHCP |
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| 16:24.28 | karlpinc | TZug: You check the logs on the dhcp host (and tftp host) to see if the problem is there or in the bios/nic. See /msg dpkg doesn't work |
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| 16:25.01 | thewanderer1 | TZug: you can either check the DHCP logs or fire up a DHCP server on your laptop's ethernet interface |
| 16:25.14 | thewanderer1 | and give it a boot option |
| 16:25.19 | TZug | thewanderer1: first time I started the D510mo System I had no Boot medium inserted and it tryed to look for it inside the network over PXE now this seemes not to work any more |
| 16:25.48 | TZug | thewanderer1: checked DHCP logs too, no peep from either of the boards |
| 16:26.24 | karlpinc | TZug: You need to tell us how it is you know it does not work. |
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| 16:26.48 | karlpinc | TZug: That is, tell us exactly what happens. |
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| 16:28.23 | TZug | karlpinc: first bootup with no bootmedium I got the message: PXE Boot and it looked like it was seaching the network for something to boot! Now It don't search the network, its simply gives the message no boot medium, insert disk and press any key |
| 16:28.55 | moldovean | TZug, you updated the BIOS , right ? |
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| 16:30.21 | hever | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.00 | Justin | hever: running a 6TB raid5 array is not such a good idea in the first place |
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| 16:31.16 | thewanderer1 | TZug: check the DHCP logs |
| 16:31.20 | jordanm | hever: 2(ish)TB is the limitation of MBR (dos) partitioning. |
| 16:31.27 | TZug | moldovean: I have two boards one with updated BIOS the other with the shipped one, both have similar behaviour |
| 16:31.35 | jordanm | hever: after that, GPT is needed |
| 16:31.45 | jordanm | (or perhaps some other solution) |
| 16:31.52 | hever | I'm going to run it as software raid and not for the root partition |
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| 16:31.59 | TZug | thewanderer1: I did check the logs, no entry for the NICs from the two boards |
| 16:32.14 | hever | dpkg, GPT |
| 16:32.15 | dpkg | hever: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:32.22 | hever | dpkg, GPT |
| 16:32.32 | rvsjoen | ext3 should handle up to 32TB depending on the block size |
| 16:32.34 | jordanm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 16:32.37 | thewanderer1 | TZug: do you log DHCP requests, anyway? |
| 16:33.32 | hever | I think I need not to care about the BIOS, because it's a software raid, where nothing boots from... |
| 16:34.47 | hever | rvsjoen, so you mean 2³² * 8192 ? |
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| 16:35.28 | jordanm | hever: you can likely use the whole disk for lvm, instead of going the GPT route. I have never used an entire disk as a pv personally though |
| 16:35.30 | hever | rvsjoen, and blocksizes smaller than that won't work ? |
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| 16:35.41 | Innocentus | hi |
| 16:35.43 | Innocentus | anyone online? :) |
| 16:35.51 | jordanm | Innocentus: try: /who |
| 16:35.54 | rvsjoen | of course it would, a block size of 512 will give you 2TB |
| 16:35.56 | tharkun | !tell Innocentus about ask |
| 16:36.20 | Innocentus | is there a good tool / package for managing users from the shell? |
| 16:36.23 | rvsjoen | or is that 1k blocksize, can't remember |
| 16:36.33 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: it's called 'adduser' and 'deluser' |
| 16:36.44 | hever | jordanm, why do I need lvm? I'm going to use 4 2TB hdds. |
| 16:36.44 | rvsjoen | anyway it's dependent on the file system |
| 16:36.47 | TZug | thewanderer1: I blocked the nic and should get any message if the nic tryes to access the router (working for every other nic in the network) but not with the two D510mo boards |
| 16:37.08 | jordanm | hever: you can only make 2.2TB partitions, using dos partitioning |
| 16:37.11 | rvsjoen | just use ext4 and forget about those constraints :P |
| 16:37.38 | jordanm | I don't think ext3 contrains him in this situation |
| 16:37.46 | Innocentus | and how can I list all users? |
| 16:37.51 | Innocentus | I am blind... |
| 16:37.53 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: getent passwd |
| 16:38.02 | hever | jordanm, aah interesting. You mean I can't create a parition bigger than 2.2TB on a non 32 bit system ? |
| 16:38.02 | lost_soul | cat /etc/passwd |
| 16:38.12 | thewanderer1 | lost_soul: won't work with non-standard PAM |
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| 16:38.22 | hever | jordanm, oh sorry without other solutions.... |
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| 16:38.39 | lost_soul | thewanderer1: wow, thanks for letting me know |
| 16:38.41 | jordanm | hever: it has absolutly nothing to do with a 32bit system. it has to do with the type of partition used. partitioning you are likely familar with, has that limitation |
| 16:38.53 | Innocentus | another dumb question: how can I see all packages installed? |
| 16:38.57 | jordanm | since LVM does not use partitions per-say, I would also expect it to not have the limitation |
| 16:39.00 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: dpkg --list |
| 16:39.24 | jordanm | prefers the aptitude search ~i layout |
| 16:39.25 | Innocentus | ok |
| 16:39.25 | thewanderer1 | TZug: are you saying that DHCP requests should produce log requests and you see the requests for other machines, but not for the Atom boards? |
| 16:40.07 | Innocentus | where can I list all openssh-users? |
| 16:40.14 | Innocentus | because I want to create a non-root user |
| 16:40.17 | Innocentus | (security, you know) |
| 16:40.40 | fxiny | yes i know , installing 7z ;P |
| 16:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: Default configuration is that any valid user can log in via ssh. |
| 16:41.00 | Innocentus | *screams* |
| 16:41.20 | TZug | thewanderer1: in case I block the device I should get log reports but thats not the case with this two boards, yes |
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| 16:41.57 | thewanderer1 | TZug: and works with others? also check whether the network LED blinks when the DHCP should be queried. |
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| 16:42.33 | hever | jordanm, interesting thank you. So I "just" have to use a |
| 16:42.52 | hever | jordanm, interesting thank you. So I "just" have to use a GUID layout instead or additional to a MBR partition layout |
| 16:43.17 | rudi_s | Innocentus: If you don't like that, add AllowUsers x to /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restart sshd. |
| 16:43.21 | Innocentus | cool |
| 16:43.23 | Innocentus | very cool |
| 16:43.30 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: man sshd_config |
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| 16:44.03 | Innocentus | ok |
| 16:44.13 | Innocentus | would it be a good idea to block root-access for sshd? |
| 16:44.19 | thewanderer1 | it would :D |
| 16:44.20 | Innocentus | when I have created a sudo-standard user instead? |
| 16:44.24 | Innocentus | ok |
| 16:44.28 | Innocentus | not that I block myself out :) |
| 16:44.42 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Why is a sudo user better than root? |
| 16:45.00 | Innocentus | rudi_s: because you only acquire root-rights when you need them and only for the command you enter into shell |
| 16:45.05 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: because it is harder to guess both username and a password than just the password - the only reason. |
| 16:45.10 | llutz | Innocentus: use PermitRootLogin "without-password" |
| 16:45.21 | Innocentus | ok |
| 16:45.22 | Innocentus | thx man |
| 16:45.44 | lost_soul | rudi_s: every linux system has a root account, at least if someone tries to get into your box they also need to figure out the username you use |
| 16:45.56 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Okay, but if I use pubkey login it's okay to have a root user (as long as my local machine is secure - which is always the problem I assuem). |
| 16:46.03 | fxiny | Innocentus: the answer is : read debian hardening docs |
| 16:46.03 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: true |
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| 16:46.06 | datacrusher | whats that page i can manage printers / cups ? |
| 16:46.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | datacrusher: localhost:631? |
| 16:46.21 | llutz | datacrusher: "localhost:631" |
| 16:46.29 | rudi_s | s/to have a root use/to login as root user/ |
| 16:46.34 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Perfect, thanks. |
| 16:47.02 | rudi_s | lost_soul: I always use pubkeys .. passwords are IMHO not a good idea for SSH (except on the keys of course). |
| 16:47.05 | datacrusher | thanks! |
| 16:47.53 | thewanderer1 | Can errors happen on a listening socket? |
| 16:47.56 | Innocentus | ok |
| 16:48.03 | Innocentus | I have installed sudo now |
| 16:48.57 | fxiny | isn't sudo good only for scripting ? |
| 16:49.02 | fxiny | i never used it |
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| 16:49.19 | Innocentus_ | ehrm |
| 16:49.22 | babilen | Innocentus: You don't need "sudo" to become root. "su" should be enough, especially if you are the only user. sudo has its merits, but it is not a prerequisite for gaining root privileges |
| 16:49.29 | Innocentus_ | ok |
| 16:49.38 | lost_soul | rudi_s: so if you try to login via ssh with the correct password with a machine thats not in the known_hosts it will not allow you to? |
| 16:49.44 | Innocentus_ | how can I clean up unneeded packages automatically with apt-get? |
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| 16:50.12 | babilen | Innocentus: How do you define unneeded packages? |
| 16:50.20 | Innocentus_ | packages which aren't used |
| 16:50.24 | Innocentus_ | ehrm |
| 16:50.25 | babilen | argh, ENICK, Innocentus_ ^^^ |
| 16:50.27 | Innocentus_ | ehehe |
| 16:50.42 | llutz | fxiny: sudo is the only way to give users (partly) root-access without giving away your root-password |
| 16:50.43 | babilen | Innocentus_: How should apt-get know which packages you use and which packages you don't use? |
| 16:50.48 | Innocentus_ | right |
| 16:50.56 | Innocentus_ | is there a comfortable interface for apt? |
| 16:50.58 | Innocentus_ | *instead |
| 16:51.11 | Innocentus_ | can you give me the list user-command again :) ? |
| 16:51.16 | rudi_s | lost_soul: I disabled it on my machines, so I can only login if my public key is in .ssh/authorized_keys on the server. Not with the password. For other machines I can use the password, but I use it only once until I copied my public key there. |
| 16:51.20 | thewanderer1 | getent passwd |
| 16:51.23 | thewanderer1 | and... man getent |
| 16:51.24 | babilen | Innocentus_: 1. Use aptitude 2. Use aptitude-gtk 3. Try Synaptics |
| 16:51.34 | Innocentus_ | synaptics... |
| 16:51.36 | Innocentus_ | is that good? |
| 16:51.39 | thewanderer1 | babilen, Synaptic. Synaptics is my touchpad... |
| 16:51.49 | fxiny | llutz: oh yes, i forgot that , tx . |
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| 16:51.50 | thewanderer1 | Synaptic works. |
| 16:52.02 | Innocentus_ | tpconfig? |
| 16:52.06 | babilen | thewanderer1: right, finger-memory :) |
| 16:52.25 | fxiny | rudi_s: not using sshusers-allowed ? |
| 16:52.59 | fxiny | llutz: but i am a wheel lover ;) |
| 16:53.17 | rudi_s | fxiny: What is sshusers-allowed? (I use AllowUsers on the server to only allow login to some accounts, just to be sure). |
| 16:53.17 | thewanderer1 | synaptic - Graphical package manager |
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| 16:55.20 | Innocentus | synaptic has been replaced |
| 16:55.23 | Innocentus | with tpconfig |
| 16:55.25 | Innocentus | wtf |
| 16:55.42 | fxiny | rudi_s: first thing i read and i liked of debian was the hardening docs , i had a go with freebsd , briefly , i liked wheel and searching debian for wheel i found it , since then i always edit my pam , once during a dist upgrade i shut myself out ;) |
| 16:56.03 | dominicus | What is a good package to use in Debian Testing for retrieving CPU temperatures on a core i7? I just noticed lots of throttle messages after running BOINC for 3 days straight, so I turned up the cooling fans. |
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| 16:56.41 | DipSwitch | dominicus: sensors |
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| 16:56.50 | nameless` | sensors with smartools |
| 16:57.03 | thewanderer1 | one needs IPMI sensors working for that... |
| 16:57.06 | jordanm | hesco: yes |
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| 16:57.10 | DipSwitch | lm-sensors that is |
| 16:57.15 | jordanm | hesco: wrong tab-complete |
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| 16:57.33 | fxiny | is the kind of freedom i most enjoy with debian : there are guidelines , there are sensible rules , and a large way for breaking it , the system always works . |
| 16:57.44 | rudi_s | fxiny: I'm a little afraid of PAM, never really understood what it can and can't do ... thus I set UsePAM no in ssh, just to be sure. If you have a good guide/introduction to PAM, I would be happy to read it. |
| 16:58.21 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: no, synaptic has NOT been replaced by tpconfig. |
| 16:58.38 | jordanm | rudi_s: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html |
| 16:58.57 | fxiny | rudi_s: pam is nice , very nice , documentation is a bit obsucre . as i said i do just a few things , the inspiration is in the hardening docs |
| 16:59.25 | rudi_s | jordanm: Thanks. |
| 17:00.03 | rudi_s | fxiny: Thanks, I will read it (have in the past, but I guess I forgot some things). |
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| 17:02.04 | fxiny | rudi_s: it keeps changing from woody : /etc/pam.d/common-auth -> auth required pam_listfile.so item=user sense=allow file=/etc/sshusers-allowed onerr=fail |
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| 17:03.05 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: what you've just posted affects ALL authentication, not only ssh... |
| 17:03.19 | rudi_s | fxiny: Interesting, thanks. |
| 17:04.12 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i have done more editing . my pam is not standard |
| 17:04.39 | fxiny | thewanderer1: but i didn not invent the wheel , i found it there ;) |
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| 17:05.18 | fxiny | thewanderer1: i learned one thing : a typo in a pam file can shut you out for goods |
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| 17:06.02 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
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| 17:06.09 | tharkun | fxiny: learned it the hard way? |
| 17:06.25 | thewanderer1 | oh crap |
| 17:06.36 | thewanderer1 | my battery is stuck at 56,6% - woot woot |
| 17:06.38 | thewanderer1 | I'm on AC |
| 17:07.01 | fxiny | thewanderer1: hehehe |
| 17:07.25 | thewanderer1 | it's been at 56,6% for 2 hours |
| 17:07.26 | viz_ | i'm new managing my debian server, and i just noticed about 100 attempted connections to several emails i don't have, but with my domain name (info@domain, test@domain, webmaster@domain, etc...), all in a span of 5 mins... should i be worried? |
| 17:07.54 | thewanderer1 | viz_: what do you mean 'connection to email'? |
| 17:07.55 | Zambezi | Libsox broken in Squeeze after last upgrade. Can anyone confirm this? |
| 17:08.07 | thewanderer1 | !squeeze libsox |
| 17:09.00 | thewanderer1 | !squeeze libsox1b |
| 17:09.03 | babilen | thewanderer1: Does that correspond to the readings at /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_{full,now} ? |
| 17:09.23 | viz_ | thewanderer1: 11263:Jul 26 16:48:11 lixxx-xxx postfix/smtpd[6158]: connect from e4ch.informatik.uni-bremen.de[134.102.208.43] |
| 17:09.55 | viz_ | thewanderer1: 1260:Jul 26 16:48:09 lixxx-xxx postfix/smtpd[6158]: lost connection after UNKNOWN from e4ch.informatik.uni-bremen.de[134.102.208.43] |
| 17:10.10 | thewanderer1 | babilen, yeah. |
| 17:10.18 | thewanderer1 | it's now at 56,5% |
| 17:10.25 | thewanderer1 | but got stuck again |
| 17:10.30 | thewanderer1 | it moved when I re-plugged AC |
| 17:10.40 | tharkun | viz_: use spf and forget about it |
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| 17:11.09 | Zambezi | thewanderer1: "play fail formats: can't open input file" on a mp3. Well, there other possibilites. Not the first time libsox causing problem. Earlier it took 300% CPU-load... |
| 17:11.13 | viz_ | tharkun: apart from sunscreen, what's spf? |
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| 17:11.21 | viz_ | tharkun: pardon my ignorance |
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| 17:11.26 | tharkun | !tell viz_ about spf |
| 17:11.33 | thewanderer1 | Zambezi: its normal bugs, then |
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| 17:12.34 | fxiny | rudi_s: checkout pam_tally -> This module maintains a count of attempted accesses, can reset count on success, can deny access if too many attempts fail. |
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| 17:12.54 | thewanderer1 | thewanderer@iss BAT0 $ cat state |
| 17:12.54 | thewanderer1 | idle |
| 17:12.57 | viz_ | tharkun: any other security measures i should consider? |
| 17:13.03 | tharkun | http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt |
| 17:13.27 | tharkun | viz_: ^ an overall spam control document very interesting |
| 17:13.34 | viz_ | tharkun: thanks a lot |
| 17:13.35 | tharkun | although is fairly postfix oriented |
| 17:13.46 | tharkun | np |
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| 17:15.03 | thewanderer1 | also, why does my USB mouse turn off after 5 seconds of inactivity? I need to press a button on the mouse before I can move the cursor again... |
| 17:15.10 | Zambezi | thewanderer1: Sorry. It didn't break the system, but it's not working. I'll use cmus instead. |
| 17:15.53 | thewanderer1 | Zambezi: if you think it's a bug, check the bug reports and possibly report it |
| 17:15.57 | fxiny | usb for periphoeral like keyboards sucks |
| 17:16.00 | pallgone | does anybody know (on squeeze) why the update manager leaves certain packages unchecked whereas 'aptitude full-upgrade' includes those? |
| 17:16.11 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: there is nothing else, I'm on a laptop |
| 17:16.52 | fxiny | thewanderer1: there is a magnificent page about mechanical keyboards which btw explains why ps2 is better then usb |
| 17:17.00 | thewanderer1 | pallgone: update manager uses "upgrade" while aptitude uses "full-upgrade" which is intended to do more |
| 17:17.08 | amphi | fxiny: ;) |
| 17:17.08 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: okay, get me some PS/2 on a laptop |
| 17:17.15 | thewanderer1 | now :P |
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| 17:17.28 | thewanderer1 | new computers don't even come with PS/2... |
| 17:17.51 | abrotman | ITYM 'safe-upgrade' |
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| 17:17.55 | dominicus | DipSwitch, nameless`, thewanderer1: Thanks for the pointer towards lm-sensors. It turns out I had it was automatically installed some time in the past, it just wasn't configured. |
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| 17:18.12 | fxiny | thewanderer1: the hardware industry guv is always on crack ;) |
| 17:18.27 | thewanderer1 | where can I change the power settings for my mouse so that it doesn't lose power after 5 seconds? O.o |
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| 17:18.45 | thewanderer1 | or shouldn't Linux handle it automatically for HID? |
| 17:19.14 | fxiny | amphi: hey :) |
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| 17:20.18 | thewanderer1 | well, there goes my battery's weird behaviour |
| 17:20.22 | project2501a | hey guys. do i need to start X in order to have a user display an application remotely? |
| 17:20.31 | thewanderer1 | I just have charging thresholds set... |
| 17:20.41 | amphi | project2501a: no |
| 17:20.51 | thewanderer1 | project2501a: you can use SSH |
| 17:20.56 | project2501a | lovely. |
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| 17:21.10 | project2501a | what libs have to be installled to use that X feature? |
| 17:21.13 | thewanderer1 | all you need is openssh-server and xauth |
| 17:21.22 | project2501a | ok |
| 17:21.28 | thewanderer1 | and some graphical apps, that is :P |
| 17:21.41 | project2501a | we can all thank roche |
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| 17:22.44 | fxiny | thewanderer1: here it is : "It may even be a bit detrimental, because you'd be wasting CPU time polling the keyboard unneededly. And unlike USB keyboards, PS/2 boards aren't polled at all. They simply send the signal to the PC whenever they are ready to, which causes a hardware interrupt, forcing the CPU to register that keystroke" |
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| 17:23.04 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: yeah, I know about interrupts |
| 17:23.13 | thewanderer1 | doesn't USB send interrupts, though? |
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| 17:23.54 | tharkun | If the internals of computers haven't dramatically changed usb should send interrupts |
| 17:23.56 | fxiny | thewanderer1: same page "PS/2 wins on three fronts: First, it supports full n-key rollover. Second, PS/2 keyboards aren't polled, but are completely interrupt based. And third, it is impossible for it to be delayed by the USB bus being used by other devices. There are two types of USB transfer modes - the interrupt transfer mode (USB polls keyboard, when key is sensed the USB controller sends the interrupt to the CPU), and t |
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| 17:24.38 | fxiny | so who cares where some f* usb is not supported ? |
| 17:24.58 | thewanderer1 | but I only want to keep my mouse from suspending :P |
| 17:25.18 | fxiny | i know :) |
| 17:25.36 | thewanderer1 | and as long as I can still use SysRq with my keyboard, I'm happy. |
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| 17:27.35 | thewanderer1 | it no longer suspends, lol |
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| 17:29.35 | project2501a | who is your daddy? |
| 17:29.46 | fubada | how to get openssh 5.2 in lenny? |
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| 17:29.50 | fubada | using debs |
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| 17:30.04 | abrotman | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 17:30.07 | judd | openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-4; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-4 |
| 17:30.14 | abrotman | fubada: you could backport it yourself, that's it |
| 17:30.38 | jordanm | 5.2 add some shiny new feature? |
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| 17:30.58 | fubada | yes , related to Logging |
| 17:31.01 | fubada | in Chroot |
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| 17:31.48 | jordanm | backporting could case issues with other applications, since I am sure there are some that link against openssl |
| 17:31.58 | fxiny | thewanderer1: seen ? they sell usb as a great improvement , but is not . i'm sure there is more crap like that |
| 17:31.59 | jordanm | s/case/cause/ |
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| 17:32.18 | fubada | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552047 |
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| 17:32.29 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:32.29 | jordanm | fxiny: it is as far as hotplugging.... |
| 17:32.52 | thewanderer1 | crap, how to cool down the system? |
| 17:33.02 | tharkun | Where can i check what is wrong with http://ftp.mx.debian.org/ seems down |
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| 17:33.25 | thewanderer1 | fxiny: you are right, USB is overheating my machine... running at 60°C now |
| 17:33.33 | thewanderer1 | how do I make it stop? :P |
| 17:33.36 | tharkun | thewanderer1: reaise the backpart of your laptop and be sure that there is a continous flow of fresh air |
| 17:33.37 | abrotman | 60C doesn't sound like overheating |
| 17:33.40 | jordanm | 60C isn't quite overheating, but getting there |
| 17:33.44 | thewanderer1 | it is |
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| 17:34.09 | tharkun | if you see that usb is the problem turn it off |
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| 17:34.09 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I doubt it has even hit the slowdown threashold. what kind of CPU? |
| 17:34.11 | thewanderer1 | for this laptop, 50 degrees is more normal |
| 17:34.12 | fxiny | thewanderer1: hotplug ? hahhhh dreadful daemons polling anything in a 10 metres radius ! |
| 17:34.33 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: Intel Core 2 Duo L7400 |
| 17:34.40 | thewanderer1 | low-voltage |
| 17:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ftp.mx.debian.org |
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| 17:35.04 | fxiny | thewanderer1: and they say lenny is old , etch was old , sarge was old : i wish i could start again with woody |
| 17:35.21 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I think there's a bot function that'll check it as well. |
| 17:35.32 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: thx it is down at least according to that page |
| 17:35.43 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: That's just web though. |
| 17:35.44 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins, what bot function? |
| 17:35.55 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 17:35.59 | thewanderer1 | bad, bad autocomplete |
| 17:36.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: intel seems to rate it at 100C, with a footnote I can't find |
| 17:36.11 | thewanderer1 | but my laptop does not :P |
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| 17:36.37 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: i expect that http sources-list is served through a web interfaces or something similar, since there is no port mentioned |
| 17:36.40 | SparFux | answer is: sudo aptitude u + g g |
| 17:36.53 | thewanderer1 | alright, taken out the battery, opened a huge hole for airflow, getting down to 53 now |
| 17:36.59 | jordanm | SparFux: answer to what? |
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| 17:37.09 | thewanderer1 | the fan is running at max speed, though |
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| 17:37.26 | SparFux | jordanm: sorry, came from debian_overflow. answer to: What is the ncurses equivalent of sudo aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 17:37.36 | amphi | thewanderer1: are you using the ondemand cpufreq governator? |
| 17:37.42 | thewanderer1 | amphi: yeah |
| 17:37.43 | fxiny | thewanderer1: added one fan each of my boxes in a week |
| 17:38.02 | jordanm | SparFux: the aptitude curses interface has its own methods for attaining root, so I would not expect sudo to be needed |
| 17:38.22 | SparFux | jordanm: oh, really? |
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| 17:39.07 | jordanm | SparFux: ctrl-t -> become root |
| 17:39.09 | thewanderer1 | 4070 RPM on a system fan is not right... |
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| 17:39.44 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: it runs su-to-root which uses sux, sudo, or su as appropriate |
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| 17:40.23 | amphi | thewanderer1: mine is 3895 ATM |
| 17:40.27 | thewanderer1 | lol. I've enabled USB autosuspend and the fan stopped working in one second. |
| 17:40.28 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: the description says it just uses "su". is su-to-root a new feature (post lenny), or just a poor description? |
| 17:40.34 | thewanderer1 | amphi: are you on a laptop? |
| 17:40.49 | amphi | thewanderer1: yes, X series stinkpad |
| 17:40.56 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay |
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| 17:41.04 | amphi | it'll go to 4500+ |
| 17:41.08 | thewanderer1 | now, how do I turn my mouse back on? :P |
| 17:41.13 | SparFux | jordanm: but then I have to do it every time I want to actually install something? |
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| 17:41.27 | dondelelcaro | SparFux: or you can just run sudo aptitude foo; |
| 17:41.34 | fxiny | jordanm: i found a half soulution for rsync/deleted files : dry run -> rsync -avzn --delete | grep --color deleting gave me the idea of a whitelist : a list of files not to be deleted even if the source file is missing |
| 17:41.37 | amphi | thewanderer1: perhaps you can poke something in sysfs |
| 17:41.38 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: actually, it looks like it does just run su; it should be running su-to-root, though. |
| 17:41.42 | XThief | hello, is there any command to see what ports are accepted? |
| 17:41.56 | thewanderer1 | amphi: oh, replugging worked... I don't get this power management O.o |
| 17:41.57 | fubada | hm what if I install my own openssh from source over the deb package |
| 17:42.02 | fubada | or do i want to remove the deb first |
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| 17:42.05 | amphi | I use the trackpoint, so I wot not of unusual serial bus mice |
| 17:42.08 | fxiny | jordanm: kind of safe-delete ? |
| 17:42.09 | jordanm | SparFux: no, you can just perform your actions, then you will be prompted to become root |
| 17:42.16 | thewanderer1 | fubada: you should remove the deb first :P |
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| 17:42.22 | SparFux | jordanm: I will try that. |
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| 17:43.31 | jordanm | fxiny: then feed it back as the list of files to rsync? |
| 17:44.18 | SparFux | jordanm: it requires multiple clicks and chirks to become root. menu-access plus aiming for right entry, whatever. then the whole aptitude is su root, so I see no security benefit in not using sudo, to be honest. |
| 17:44.30 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: it would be nice if it did. I am guessing that is one reason the "become root" feature has not been implemented in the gtk interface |
| 17:45.17 | jordanm | SparFux: well it is whatever you prefer. personally, I would *never* give a user sudo access to aptitude |
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| 17:45.31 | SparFux | jordanm: hm... why not? |
| 17:45.32 | fxiny | jordanm: is just an idea : rsync --safe-delete should read a whitelist . say file a (source) is in it . file s (source) gets corrupted , file a (destination) won't be deleted because is in the whitelist |
| 17:45.46 | fxiny | s/file s/ file a/ |
| 17:45.46 | jordanm | SparFux: because that is more than enough to compromise the entire machine |
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| 17:46.17 | jordanm | fxiny: does it think that the file does not exist, or that it is 0 bytes? |
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| 17:47.03 | fxiny | jordanm: when corruption occurs it thinks the file does not exist and it deletes the destination file |
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| 17:47.55 | jargon- | lenny never seems to recover from a monitor in standby. i have to kill X or reboot |
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| 17:47.57 | fxiny | jordanm: if i want to be sure some crucial files are saved rsync should offer a solution . it's up to me adding to the whitelist |
| 17:48.19 | jordanm | fxiny: so it finds it in the dry run, but will not copy it when the time to copy occurs? the only issue I see, is changes from the time of the dry-run, until the real run |
| 17:48.45 | jordanm | hmm, perhaps I don't understand what you are doing |
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| 17:49.18 | SparFux | jordanm: in ubuntu I think they have no root at all and just let users sudo to it. |
| 17:49.22 | fxiny | jordanm: dry run showed me the deletion , which happens if the soucrce file don't exist , so rsync has alrerady a tiny bit of shield , what is missing is a whitelist |
| 17:49.46 | jordanm | SparFux: the user still has a choice, just like they have the choice to configure sudo in debian |
| 17:49.59 | fxiny | jordanm: i would call it like aptitutde --safe-upgrade rsync --safe-delete |
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| 17:50.17 | SparFux | jordanm: I aggree the idea is really bad, and I am even using all this in X. keyboard capture -> boned. |
| 17:50.30 | fxiny | jordanm: --safe-delete means : go and check a whitelist |
| 17:50.44 | jordanm | fxiny: what about two rsync operations, one with and one without delete? the one without delete can only specify your whitelist |
| 17:50.59 | SparFux | perhaps root should only log in from console directly, really. |
| 17:51.08 | SparFux | jordanm: but then again, what about wireshark.. |
| 17:51.19 | fxiny | jordanm: yes , is ok , i just borrowed from aptitude --safe-upgrade |
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| 17:51.48 | jordanm | SparFux: wireshark can be configured for setgid, and used by users in the wireshark group (see /usr/share/doc/wireshark/README.Debian) |
| 17:51.48 | fxiny | jordanm: anyway i am not good at coding or at writing a patch |
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| 17:52.51 | SparFux | jordanm: ah, ok. well, really, perhaps my sudo'ing to everybody and have a user for every single different task does not provide any more security at all, but even breaks it and costs a lot (high effort on my side). |
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| 17:56.18 | fxiny | jordanm: dry run does nothing , it just print what could happen . but shows that rsync could be forced to read a whitelits when in --delete mode and skippind the deletion of certain files , this will save data in case of file-source corruption |
| 17:57.19 | fxiny | i can do a trivial script ... grep | --deleting ... xargs and so on |
| 17:57.37 | fxiny | but i cannot stop f* rsunc from deleting |
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| 17:59.02 | jordanm | I would just keep multiple copies of the destination as a safety net... |
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| 18:00.14 | achury | Hi, I cant open the page of Jigdo http://atterer.net/jigdo/ |
| 18:00.20 | achury | Is the page down? |
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| 18:01.15 | jordanm | !website down |
| 18:01.15 | dpkg | well, website down is http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 18:01.16 | fxiny | jordanm: multiple redundant copies ? so what is the purpose of rsync --delete ? |
| 18:01.20 | achury | I want to create debian disks on a windows machine. Where to find a copy of jigdo for windows? |
| 18:02.19 | fxiny | rsync-delete is for deleting files not in the source , but if the source gets corrupted how do i know ? |
| 18:02.23 | jordanm | fxiny: to keep exact synchronization with the source. if I rm /tmp/* from my server, I don't want those files to stick around in my backup. In your case, whether it is deleted or not deleted, it doesn't sound like it going to get backed up |
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| 18:03.39 | fxiny | jordanm: the first time you get file corruption you'll see how rsync is dumb |
| 18:04.02 | dondelelcaro | achury: http://debian.hands.com/~costar/jigdo/ |
| 18:04.09 | dondelelcaro | achury: google is your friend... |
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| 18:04.36 | achury | thank you :-) |
| 18:04.43 | fxiny | jordanm: mv or cp a/dir1 a/dirb is not overwriting a/dirb cause a/dira can't be read |
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| 18:05.18 | achury | What happened to jigdo? Is the project dead? |
| 18:05.22 | drazak | what's the standard procedure to update a severely outdated debian system? |
| 18:05.43 | fxiny | rsync thinks : i can't read source , source does not exist , i will delete destination |
| 18:05.54 | achury | May be debian.org can store a copy of windows binaries |
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| 18:06.06 | fxiny | how do i know source is boiled up ? |
| 18:07.33 | fxiny | a whitelis could be a solution , i can add my crucial files to it , read a report and replace the failind hd |
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| 18:09.31 | simonrvn | not use --delete first.. |
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| 18:15.19 | jordanm | drazak: update to one new release at a time, following the release notes |
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| 18:15.33 | jordanm | drazak: how severly outdated? sarge? woody? |
| 18:15.51 | drazak | jordanm: about a year and a half |
| 18:16.01 | olorin_ | Etch? |
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| 18:16.07 | XThief | does debian have any port restriction by default? |
| 18:16.09 | jordanm | that would still be the current release |
| 18:16.17 | fxiny | simonrvn: no no : aptitude --safe-upgrade , rsync --safe-delete |
| 18:16.28 | drazak | then it's just packages that are broken then |
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| 18:16.29 | XThief | looks like i cant access the server in certain ports |
| 18:16.53 | fxiny | simonrvn: i'm already used to aptitude --safe-upgrade ;) |
| 18:16.57 | drazak | or will be, anyway |
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| 18:17.51 | jordanm | drazak: if you show me the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg", I can tell you with more certainty how "out of date" it is |
| 18:18.14 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: No. |
| 18:19.08 | drazak | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/JwByAN37 |
| 18:19.28 | jordanm | drazak: you are one release behind |
| 18:19.35 | jordanm | !tell drazak about etch->lenny |
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| 18:20.21 | drazak | jordanm: how likely am I to break something updating enough to dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:23.09 | thewanderer1 | drazak: the less packages you have, the less likely you are to break something |
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| 18:23.19 | drazak | thewanderer1: I don't have a whole lot |
| 18:23.28 | drazak | thewanderer1: basic lamp stack and mail, which I need to fix |
| 18:23.51 | thewanderer1 | I did an OpenSUSE upgrade skipping one release without any errors at all, but that was with the base system + some little programs. I treat my Debians well, though :P |
| 18:24.03 | drazak | thewanderer1: I've been neglectful |
| 18:24.16 | drazak | thewanderer1: I need to completely clean the mailing spool, and set that all up fresh anyway |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | drazak: probably most likely things to break would be apache or mysql .. depends on your setup |
| 18:25.33 | abrotman | though, running etch on an internet-facing system is asking for trouble |
| 18:25.37 | drazak | abrotman: I may not even have mysql, heh, if I do, it's not running |
| 18:25.48 | drazak | abrotman: man, if I ever get hacked, I'll just have SIP reimage me |
| 18:26.18 | drazak | I'm going to lenny, I suppose |
| 18:26.34 | thewanderer1 | it's going to be a refreshing journey |
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| 18:26.45 | drazak | atleast I have good tunes |
| 18:27.06 | drazak | what sources still have etch packages? |
| 18:27.59 | thewanderer1 | !sources etch |
| 18:28.04 | thewanderer1 | I fail :P |
| 18:28.06 | drazak | thanks, by the way |
| 18:28.10 | drazak | !tell drazak sources etch |
| 18:28.23 | drazak | ow |
| 18:28.28 | thewanderer1 | http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch |
| 18:28.32 | thewanderer1 | I think |
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| 18:29.05 | drazak | thanks, thewanderer1 |
| 18:31.05 | drazak | is so confused |
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| 18:32.08 | thewanderer1 | I would be confused, too. I wake up and discover that they replaced my Debian for some other release and all my packages are obsolete O.o |
| 18:32.31 | thewanderer1 | oh, and the date moved by 1.5 year, too. |
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| 18:32.44 | abrotman | !tell drazak about ado |
| 18:32.45 | drazak | apt-get upgrade should update any outdated packages |
| 18:32.48 | abrotman | aptitude |
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| 18:34.03 | drazak | abrotman: that does bothing :S |
| 18:34.14 | abrotman | you should be using aptitude, not apt-get |
| 18:34.45 | drazak | er, aptitude upgrade does nothing |
| 18:35.11 | abrotman | did you read what the bot told you about etch->lenny ? |
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| 18:35.56 | drazak | abrotman: I did update then upgrade, nothing |
| 18:36.07 | fxiny | aptitude is the phoenix : burn etch aptitude , guess next |
| 18:36.22 | abrotman | drazak: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 18:36.33 | abrotman | fxiny: no more drugs, mmkay? |
| 18:37.36 | fxiny | abrotman: i'm eating two large slices of bread with nutella , i can't find marshmallow here ;) |
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| 18:38.26 | drazak | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/x8p5T8XA |
| 18:38.36 | foetus_ | i'm here with irssi via proxy, hard work..:) |
| 18:39.09 | abrotman | drazak: are you trying to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 18:39.13 | jordanm | foetus_: just get a shell account |
| 18:39.16 | drazak | abrotman: I will be soon |
| 18:39.21 | abrotman | drazak: ah okay .. |
| 18:39.30 | drazak | abrotman: I'm attempting to update my system before I dist-upgrade, to prevent breakage |
| 18:39.40 | abrotman | drazak: well, it hasn't changed in a few months .. |
| 18:39.41 | drazak | abrotman: I may be doing it wrong, feel free to correct me |
| 18:39.56 | drazak | I haven't updated my system at all in probably 9 months |
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| 18:40.38 | foetus_ | jordanm: yes. i try it. |
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| 18:41.01 | drazak | Laptop_Brain: are you inspircd brain? |
| 18:41.11 | alien64 | anyone know what the new sources.list is for debian lenny mine is old >>> http://pastebin.com/vwYbrSQq |
| 18:41.35 | abrotman | alien64: nothing wrong with yours at all |
| 18:41.37 | jhutchins | drazak: looks like you're doing it ok. |
| 18:41.48 | abrotman | alien64: all your sources look fine |
| 18:41.48 | jhutchins | drazak: There may not have been a lot of updates to etch since you last updated. |
| 18:41.57 | drazak | jhutchins: I was thinking that, but 0 updates?! |
| 18:42.03 | jhutchins | drazak: I don't believe anything's been posted to the archive since it was created. |
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| 18:42.12 | drazak | jhutchins: I think I got etch just before lenny came out, or maybe just after |
| 18:42.13 | alien64 | abrotman: i keep getting moved |
| 18:42.16 | abrotman | that's why .. it's archive |
| 18:42.19 | abrotman | alien64: ? |
| 18:42.22 | drazak | abrotman: obviously |
| 18:42.32 | jhutchins | drazak: If you've gotten that far, go on to the next step. |
| 18:42.36 | thewanderer1 | !etch |
| 18:42.36 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 18:42.38 | warg | drazak, he is |
| 18:42.43 | abrotman | !tell thewanderer1 about tell |
| 18:42.50 | thewanderer1 | see? no new packages since February |
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| 18:42.52 | jhutchins | drazak: Actually, did you do a backup before you started? If not, you should probably do one while you still have a working system. |
| 18:43.05 | drazak | jhutchins: good point, espescially being as it's a VPS that I don't have physical access to |
| 18:43.12 | drazak | grabs a copy of /home/drazak :P |
| 18:43.18 | jordanm | thewanderer1: well... there was a point release since then, but I think that it was just moving security updates into main to archive |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | drazak: /home/ won't change much .. your binaries will |
| 18:43.32 | jhutchins | drazak: I'd do a backup of the whole system. It's not usual for an upgrade to fail, but it CAN fail. |
| 18:43.32 | drazak | abrotman: I know, but if I fubar it I want my data |
| 18:43.36 | thewanderer1 | backup /etc |
| 18:43.47 | Bushmills | backups are for weenies. real users know all changes they made, and replay them from memory |
| 18:43.50 | drazak | thewanderer1: most my my configs are stock, I only used to use this machine for /etc |
| 18:43.52 | jhutchins | Jeez, no, not etc. |
| 18:43.52 | thewanderer1 | and well, doesn't your ISP offer Lenny? |
| 18:44.09 | drazak | thewanderer1: I'm sure, but I don't trust my ISP |
| 18:44.15 | thewanderer1 | lol :P |
| 18:44.22 | drazak | or, I do, but I don't like them touching my machine |
| 18:44.31 | jhutchins | Restoring old conf files on new software is not going to help anything. |
| 18:44.37 | drazak | jhutchins: exactly |
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| 18:44.53 | thewanderer1 | but having a backup just in case apt-get fubars something is. |
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| 18:44.55 | jhutchins | drazak: So I'd just do a snapshot if you can, or a full backup. |
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| 18:45.32 | abrotman | you mean aptitude? |
| 18:45.33 | jhutchins | drazak: You could probably get the ISP to snapshot it for you, but that would take time. |
| 18:45.39 | fxiny | best and easy upgrade i did was etch to lenny |
| 18:45.47 | alien64 | abrotman: >> http://pastebin.com/BYz0vKnb |
| 18:45.58 | drazak | jhutchins: exactly |
| 18:46.04 | drazak | jhutchins: I'm just getting ~/ |
| 18:46.11 | bronaugh | I'm setting up a 32-bit chroot, and getting a weird error when I try to apt-get anything after setting it up... |
| 18:46.11 | abrotman | alien64: does your ISP have a proxy ? |
| 18:46.11 | drazak | jhutchins: I don't have any actual data anywhere else |
| 18:46.15 | bronaugh | W: Couldn't determine free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ - statvfs (75: Value too large for defined data type) |
| 18:46.28 | alien64 | abrotman: nope |
| 18:46.33 | drazak | bronaugh: does /var/cahce/apt/archives exist? |
| 18:46.41 | jordanm | alien64: did you already pastebin sources.list? |
| 18:46.43 | bronaugh | drazak: yes. |
| 18:46.50 | jordanm | abrotman: isn't that lacking the trailing /debian? |
| 18:46.57 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: are you using a 4TB partition? :P |
| 18:47.07 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: nope, using a 20TB partition. |
| 18:47.17 | fxiny | as suv |
| 18:47.19 | thewanderer1 | huh, this is going to hurt, then |
| 18:47.24 | alien64 | jordanm: yes |
| 18:47.40 | thewanderer1 | 20tera might exceed int |
| 18:47.52 | thewanderer1 | it's 10^12 |
| 18:47.53 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: yes, but large file support should fix that. |
| 18:48.24 | jordanm | alien64: I would suggest trying a different nameserver |
| 18:48.32 | bronaugh | or at least, I'd think it would. |
| 18:48.50 | abrotman | jordanm: optional IIRC |
| 18:48.54 | alien64 | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/vwYbrSQq |
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| 18:49.37 | alien64 | jordanm: ill try that |
| 18:49.42 | jhutchins | drazak: I was suggesting you back up the whole system if you can do so, in case something goes wrong with the upgrade (not that that's likely) you can simply restore it and have a working system 'till you're ready to try again. |
| 18:49.52 | drazak | jhutchins: I guess |
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| 18:50.00 | drazak | jhutchins: I just talked to my ISP, they may be able to reimage me |
| 18:50.04 | jordanm | alien64: 8.8.8.8 is good for testing |
| 18:50.04 | bronaugh | anyhow, first time I've seen this. |
| 18:50.39 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: do you get the same when you do `df -h` ? |
| 18:50.47 | alien64 | thanks guys |
| 18:50.59 | bronaugh | /dev/md1 20T 17T 2.3T 89% /home |
| 18:51.03 | bronaugh | so, no. |
| 18:51.11 | thewanderer1 | was that inside chroot? |
| 18:51.13 | bronaugh | yes. |
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| 18:51.23 | jhutchins | alien64: Think you've got a bad URL for security. |
| 18:51.40 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: then some program makes bad assumptions about possible value ranges |
| 18:51.44 | alien64 | u got a good one? |
| 18:51.59 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: guessing "some programs" here == "apt" |
| 18:52.15 | bronaugh | considering it's apt failing. |
| 18:52.33 | bronaugh | I would strace this, but I can't apt-get install strace. |
| 18:52.41 | jhutchins | alien64: Nope, just verified that it's fine from here. |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | try cupt? |
| 18:52.46 | bronaugh | ooo. |
| 18:52.46 | bronaugh | hahaa |
| 18:52.50 | bronaugh | aptitude works. ftw. |
| 18:52.54 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 18:53.00 | bronaugh | guess that's one good reason to use aptitude... |
| 18:53.02 | thewanderer1 | what happens when you do `df /var/cache/apt/archives` ? it's interesting :P |
| 18:53.13 | thewanderer1 | somehow I don't think /home is related :P |
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| 18:53.19 | alien64 | jhutchins: ok |
| 18:53.19 | bronaugh | /dev/sda3 20484445824 18113059328 2371386496 89% /var |
| 18:53.27 | bronaugh | it gets it wrong |
| 18:53.32 | bronaugh | but not in a terrible way. |
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| 18:53.54 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 18:54.03 | jhutchins | alien64: This suggests that there's a problem with DNS or with a proxy/cache in the way. |
| 18:54.10 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: device name is wrong. space free is correct. |
| 18:54.21 | bronaugh | I just copied /etc/mtab into place. |
| 18:54.31 | alien64 | prolly dns i think |
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| 18:54.57 | alien64 | no proxy here or isp |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | you might not know that |
| 18:55.10 | SARC | Do you think tty1 is going to sleep while splashy loads? |
| 18:55.44 | thewanderer1 | I think aptitude is using statvfs64 while apt-get sticks with statvfs32... |
| 18:55.55 | delight | does someone know if there is an option to set the bandwith speed of the openssh-server ? |
| 18:56.04 | thewanderer1 | because this number: 20484445824 exceeds int's range with a 32-bit int |
| 18:56.09 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: cute. |
| 18:56.10 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 18:56.22 | jhutchins | delight: That kind of thing would involved packet shaping with iptables. |
| 18:56.26 | bronaugh | well; might be a worthwhile thing to fix. I guess I should see if there's a bug report. |
| 18:56.54 | jhutchins | alien64: You could try poking at it with dig and host and see if you can update the DNS cache. |
| 18:57.09 | jhutchins | alien64: That, or if you're running a dns cache yourself restart it. |
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| 18:57.11 | delight | jhutchins: ok ... well it was basicly the opposite ... i thought transfer speed was to slow in the default installation |
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| 18:57.24 | derik | cineva din romania de aici ? |
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| 18:57.39 | moldovean | !ro |
| 18:57.39 | SARC | is there an alternative to splashy? |
| 18:57.39 | dpkg | well, debian-ro is #debian-ro on irc.freenode.net or irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:57.48 | jhutchins | delight: Probably not a lot you can do about that, tinker with encryption/compression. |
| 18:57.56 | thewanderer1 | SARC: there is fbsplash, if you wish :P |
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| 18:58.19 | SARC | thewanderer1: would you consider it to be more stable? |
| 18:58.29 | derik | how i reinstall apache2 ? |
| 18:58.48 | thewanderer1 | SARC: no, Gentoo uses it |
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| 18:58.58 | abrotman | that makes it stable? |
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| 18:59.07 | thewanderer1 | no, that makes it the opposite of stable |
| 18:59.08 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 18:59.16 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't want to patch my kernel with it :P |
| 18:59.24 | abrotman | SARC: there is also usplash .. i'm not sure any of them work very well right now in Debian |
| 18:59.34 | thewanderer1 | usplash is deprecated, right? |
| 18:59.36 | SARC | thewanderer, i installed splashy and it loads okay, but when its done, it goes to a black screen |
| 18:59.40 | abrotman | i don't think it is |
| 18:59.52 | abrotman | derik: aptitude reinstall foopkg .. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:59.57 | thewanderer1 | SARC: I had the same problem. are you booting from NFS or what? |
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| 19:00.23 | derik | i try apt-get --reinstall apache2 but dosen`t owrk |
| 19:00.25 | SARC | its a standard install of lenny... base system... no x |
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| 19:01.20 | thewanderer1 | SARC, then switch terminals after you boot :P |
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| 19:01.48 | SARC | i could do that, but its annoying... splashy should send me to tty1, which it does, but its blank |
| 19:02.14 | SARC | i have to hit any key to see anything |
| 19:02.36 | thewanderer1 | oh well |
| 19:02.47 | thewanderer1 | I guess that's one of framebuffer quirks |
| 19:02.58 | thewanderer1 | not much you can do |
| 19:03.13 | thewanderer1 | splashy is designed to work with X, I think... |
| 19:03.15 | SARC | i didnt know if tty1 goes to sleep while splashy is running |
| 19:03.22 | XThief | looks like debian maintains closed a port if its not using it |
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| 19:03.27 | XThief | how can i open a port? |
| 19:03.33 | thewanderer1 | XThief: you don't |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | XThief: what's the point? |
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| 19:03.46 | thewanderer1 | XThief: what do you think a port is, exactly? just a number. |
| 19:03.52 | infid | how can i install the java jvm in so i can use it in firefox and/or chrome? |
| 19:03.53 | XThief | but it appears closed |
| 19:03.54 | thewanderer1 | you don't open numbers... |
| 19:03.56 | XThief | and want to access it |
| 19:04.00 | fxiny | there are no ports : is all about integers .... |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | XThief: ACCESS WHAT? |
| 19:04.08 | thewanderer1 | XThief: you do not "open" or "access" ports |
| 19:04.16 | thewanderer1 | it's not how networking works |
| 19:04.18 | abrotman | infid: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 19:04.21 | d1b | derik: you want apache2-common :) |
| 19:04.28 | derik | hmm |
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| 19:04.31 | derik | i don`t know :) |
| 19:04.33 | thewanderer1 | ports are not Hamburg nor Frankfurt nor Hong-Kong |
| 19:04.33 | XThief | an aplication is listening in port 506 |
| 19:04.35 | abrotman | 2.2-common |
| 19:04.36 | derik | i `m very begiiner |
| 19:04.40 | fxiny | same as for 3d screen : all b* s* |
| 19:04.40 | XThief | but i cant connect to that application |
| 19:04.42 | abrotman | and, that sitll won't do much |
| 19:04.46 | d1b | abrotman: or that :P |
| 19:04.57 | thewanderer1 | XThief: then it is NOT listening on that port on the proper interface |
| 19:04.59 | abrotman | XThief: please give us more details, and stop hitting entire |
| 19:05.00 | abrotman | enter |
| 19:05.21 | SARC | thewabderer1: only with X and not text-login? |
| 19:05.22 | d1b | derik: apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common && rm -rf /etc/apache2/ && apt-get install apache2 apache2.2-common |
| 19:05.24 | infid | abrotman: that didnt help tried already |
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| 19:05.28 | d1b | or something like that |
| 19:05.41 | thewanderer1 | SARC: I just guess it doesn't bother anyone enough in console to fix it. |
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| 19:06.39 | abrotman | infid: you didn't find anything? |
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| 19:06.48 | SARC | thewanderer1: so your theory is that there's something wrong with splashy? is there any way i could modify the init script to workaround? |
| 19:07.29 | thewanderer1 | SARC, I think that you would have to refresh the display somehow after finishing splashy |
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| 19:09.25 | abrotman | thewanderer1: how do you refresh the TTY? ctrl-l ? reset ? |
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| 19:09.52 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I don't - it's always "fresh" here :P |
| 19:09.58 | thewanderer1 | I think reset would do, though |
| 19:10.13 | d1b | you could send the reset character as the 'motd' / prompt |
| 19:10.43 | thewanderer1 | right |
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| 19:14.59 | alien64 | problem solved had to update my servers mac address in my kiosk's white list feeling stupid now :) |
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| 19:16.20 | abrotman | kiosk's white list? |
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| 19:17.17 | thewanderer1 | it's called the shopping list :P |
| 19:17.35 | alien64 | abrotman: yes i run a free wifi kiosk for my neihbors can have free wifi from me |
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| 19:18.52 | magnuX | hello everyone, may someone help me with a grub2 problem? I am using debian Lenny and I would like to have a password protection in grub (I have installed grub2 instead legacy) but I cant find the grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2 command like in squeeze |
| 19:19.02 | magnuX | how can I generate the password then? |
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| 19:19.24 | alien64 | abrotman: updateing the servers mac to the kiosk's white list alows the server to have inet access without login in like a client |
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| 19:19.55 | magnuX | in sid/squeeze the grub-common package provides the grub-passwd-pbkdf2 command but in lenny there is not |
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| 19:21.06 | alien64 | abrotman: now apt-get update wors fine :) |
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| 19:22.36 | magnuX | anyone knows about the grub2 password in Lenny? |
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| 19:23.45 | jhutchins | magnuX: Not available. |
| 19:23.53 | jhutchins | magnuX: This is one of the risks of mixing packages. |
| 19:23.57 | jhutchins | ,versions grub2 |
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| 19:23.58 | judd | grub2 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100710-1; sid: 1.98+20100722-1 |
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| 19:24.25 | babilen | !tell magnuX -about apt-file |
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| 19:25.09 | babilen | magnuX: You will find that it is part of grub-common in squeeze |
| 19:25.34 | magnuX | judd? mixing pakages?? I am using grub2 from lenny and lenny backports |
| 19:25.46 | babilen | ,versions grub-common |
| 19:25.48 | judd | grub-common -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100710-1; sid: 1.98+20100722-1 |
| 19:25.58 | babilen | magnuX: Install grub-common from bpo as well |
| 19:27.08 | jhutchins | Strange, amarok keeps freezing on this stream... |
| 19:27.16 | jhutchins | Seems to recover if I stop & re-start. |
| 19:27.18 | magnuX | grub-common 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1 this is the version in bpo |
| 19:27.32 | magnuX | I have reinstalled it and still miss the mkpasswd |
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| 19:33.26 | FilipeMaia | sort -g does not seem to sort by numerical value of the second column before sorting the first column. How can I make it take the value of both fields into account? |
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| 19:33.57 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: ask #bash, i thinki there's a way to have it look at certain fields |
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| 19:34.24 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: thanks, i'll give it a try |
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| 19:39.42 | karlpinc | FilipeMaia: (Probably something like sort -k 2,2g -k 1,1 |
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| 19:40.19 | nsadmin2 | in the throes of finding out why my default route is always missing... I note that I have a setup in /etc/network/interfaces and also I have network-manager installed... |
| 19:40.35 | foetus | hello again, with irssi via proxy and correct nickname -- i be proud. |
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| 19:41.10 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin2, do you need network-manager? are you on a laptop? |
| 19:41.16 | nsadmin2 | so I guess either I want nm gone, or I want to use it, and so far I haven't seen yet |
| 19:41.23 | abrotman | do you only need network-manager if you're on a laptop ? |
| 19:41.24 | nsadmin2 | I am on a laptop |
| 19:41.37 | abrotman | nsadmin2: i use n-m, it works fine |
| 19:41.42 | thewanderer1 | yes, you only ever n-m if you're on a portable device or one that has WiFi |
| 19:41.50 | foetus | must save config. |
| 19:42.00 | nsadmin2 | I'm on a portable device that has wifi |
| 19:42.17 | thewanderer1 | then go with network-manager |
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| 19:42.22 | nsadmin2 | it was quite an ordeal installing the card |
| 19:42.29 | thewanderer1 | does DHCP provide you with a default route? |
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| 19:42.50 | nsadmin2 | ok, so what do I do about the interfaces setup? comment it out? |
| 19:43.23 | abrotman | nsadmin2: there is a file that controls whether or not n-m touches those interfaces .. you can comment out the whole thing though |
| 19:43.31 | nsadmin2 | yes it does,,,, see I;m guessing I have a default route after the boot does ifup wlan1, but something after takes it away |
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| 19:44.50 | nsadmin2 | does that sound reasonable? specifically... the auto wlan1 brings the interface up, then, what, n-m takes it down? |
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| 19:45.49 | nsadmin2 | oh, and I discovered my other problem was just in the past... my projector works fine now |
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| 19:47.12 | thewanderer1 | you should not have an entry for wlan1 in /etc/network/interfaces if you want to use it with n-m |
| 19:47.56 | nsadmin2 | (some may recall I was talking about my laptop's second output being active only when the laptop screen was inactive.... turns out it now works fine out of the box) |
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| 19:48.44 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1, ok, so I am running kde, and I installed network-manager and network-manager-kde |
| 19:48.57 | nsadmin2 | how would I see n-m now? |
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| 19:49.12 | jordanm | nsadmin2: you probably have to add it as a widget |
| 19:49.28 | nsadmin2 | you mean to the panel |
| 19:49.31 | nsadmin2 | ? |
| 19:49.35 | abrotman | yes, applet, whatever |
| 19:49.51 | jordanm | I don't think kde4 differentiates a panel widget, from a widget anywhere else |
| 19:49.51 | nsadmin2 | ok... |
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| 19:50.01 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I have an entry for wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces and knetworkmanager manages it just fine. What release do you actually run? |
| 19:50.25 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: squeeze/sid |
| 19:50.45 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Please understand that the standard for support here is stable, not testing or unstable. |
| 19:50.53 | thewanderer1 | I know... |
| 19:50.56 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: People expect answers to be applicable to stable. |
| 19:51.06 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Many of yours are not. |
| 19:51.15 | pyrophelia | what does it mean when connect via vnc to a server and all I see is a grey background and an X11 mouse pointer. I installed gdm and it is running but no desktop. what gives? |
| 19:51.32 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1, in my particular case I do run stable |
| 19:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | pyrophelia: vnc will often attempt to simplify the interface to minimize traffic. What desktop do you run? |
| 19:51.56 | thewanderer1 | well, defining a network interface config in 2 places is not going to do any good |
| 19:52.23 | thewanderer1 | you can either leave "allow-hotplug wlan1" at the interfaces file, or remove it altogether |
| 19:52.35 | thewanderer1 | network-manager should then take care of it |
| 19:52.49 | nsadmin2 | true, so I'll be getting rid of that shortly... right now I'm trying to find the applet... I installed network-manager-kde a few mins ago, and I'm not seeing the applet in the list |
| 19:53.06 | nsadmin2 | would I restart kde and/or whole machine? |
| 19:53.11 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 19:53.13 | thewanderer1 | knetworkmanager |
| 19:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin2: In lenny you most likely want a line that says auto wlan0 and nothing else, then manage it with networkmanager. |
| 19:53.33 | thewanderer1 | it's not an applet, it should be an application, I think |
| 19:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's a daemon actually. |
| 19:53.59 | thewanderer1 | not network-manager-kde |
| 19:54.03 | thewanderer1 | knetworkmanager is an applet |
| 19:54.14 | thewanderer1 | it _does_ communicate with the daemon |
| 19:54.22 | jordanm | thinks the answer might be "wicd" |
| 19:54.33 | nsadmin2 | okok, overwhelm... |
| 19:54.34 | jordanm | (available from backports) |
| 19:54.51 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin2: you run `knetworkmanager` and you're good... |
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| 19:55.04 | nsadmin2 | looks like I don't have that installed |
| 19:55.15 | nsadmin2 | not as root, right? |
| 19:55.21 | abrotman | jordanm: not sure introducing yet another thing to mangle the network is a good idea |
| 19:55.22 | thewanderer1 | no, not as root, as your KDE user... |
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| 19:55.48 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: That's a non-standard option, but yes. |
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| 19:55.52 | thewanderer1 | if you have network-manager-kde then it should work, I think |
| 19:55.54 | jordanm | abrotman: well, this mangler atleast comes in one part, instead of 5+ |
| 19:56.11 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: it will be the default for squeeze xfce systems |
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| 19:56.22 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1, well let me see what that package contains in the tarball |
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| 19:56.40 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Right, and since the gnome and kde managers don't necessarily work with xfce that makes sense. |
| 19:57.04 | thewanderer1 | /usr/bin/knetworkmanager |
| 19:57.09 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I have heard that at the lenny level it's somewhat problematic, but usually if knetworkmanager doesn't work, wicd might. |
| 19:57.15 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: the gnome one does.. the xfce panel is completely compatible with gnome applets |
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| 19:57.39 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Right, but gnome stuff usually requires most of gnome to be installed. |
| 19:58.02 | nsadmin2 | hmm, I thought I installed network-manager-kde but my copy of dpkg is claiming it's not |
| 19:58.27 | d1b | nsadmin2: try installing it again :P |
| 19:58.56 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin2: Actually, try installing kwifimanager |
| 19:59.03 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: wicd isn't 'featureful' :) |
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| 19:59.16 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: kwifimanager won't do any good for him, really... |
| 19:59.17 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions knetworkmanager |
| 19:59.18 | d1b | man interfaces :) |
| 19:59.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'knetworkmanager' was found. |
| 19:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kwifimanager |
| 19:59.27 | judd | kwifimanager -- etch: 4:3.5.5-5; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.10-2 |
| 19:59.29 | nsadmin2 | I have that |
| 19:59.32 | thewanderer1 | ,versions network-manager-kde |
| 19:59.35 | judd | network-manager-kde -- etch: 1:0.1-2; lenny: 1:0.2.2-2; sid: 1:0.9~svn1141976-1; squeeze: 1:0.9~svn1141976-1 |
| 19:59.46 | thewanderer1 | you want network-manager-kde for network-manager cooperation... |
| 19:59.52 | jhutchins_lt | No. |
| 20:00.04 | jhutchins_lt | Again. |
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| 20:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | gives up |
| 20:01.34 | thewanderer1 | hey, this network-manager-kde worked for me on Lenny... |
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| 20:02.06 | streuner | congrats |
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| 20:02.37 | gl4ndu | hi |
| 20:02.42 | streuner | well, when NM works its just you get gold out of stones :-P |
| 20:02.48 | gl4ndu | I'm stuck with a repository-related problem |
| 20:03.02 | d1b | streuner: ditto for man interfaces :) |
| 20:03.11 | streuner | hehe |
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| 20:03.14 | d1b | gl4ndu: which is? |
| 20:03.28 | thewanderer1 | /etc/network/interfaces work unless you want to be mobile... and laptop users DO want to be mobile... |
| 20:03.34 | gl4ndu | I replaced ftp.debian.org with archive.ubuntu.com in order to install up-to-date sotfware |
| 20:03.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:03.39 | abrotman | BAD |
| 20:03.42 | d1b | thewanderer1: i am a mobile laptop user with it :) |
| 20:03.48 | d1b | gl4ndu: oh no. that's very bad :) |
| 20:03.51 | gl4ndu | but since the last reboot, my server is unavailable |
| 20:03.55 | abrotman | i bet .. |
| 20:03.58 | streuner | thewanderer1: i do only via interfaces (mobile) |
| 20:04.03 | thewanderer1 | d1b: I was one too, but one day I got tired of typing settings by hand... |
| 20:04.06 | gl4ndu | how come Debian can't use ubuntu repos? |
| 20:04.08 | gl4ndu | it sucks |
| 20:04.10 | abrotman | gl4ndu: ubuntu and debian are NOT compatible .. you've likely broken the system beyond repair |
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| 20:04.17 | jelly-one | abrotman: he's a troll! |
| 20:04.17 | streuner | thewanderer1: well, via wvdial |
| 20:04.19 | abrotman | gl4ndu: ubuntu can't use debian repos either |
| 20:04.24 | ym | Just installed Linux, and I'm still learning how use it's DOS. Can anyone tell me how to disable filename case sensitivity? It's a real pain in the ass that file.jpg is different from File.JPG. :/ |
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| 20:04.31 | streuner | argh |
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| 20:04.37 | abrotman | ym: you cannot, that's how it should be |
| 20:04.43 | ym | :( Why not |
| 20:04.43 | d1b | abrotman: 'i will not say anything other' - /me has played with moving ubuntu to debian before --> was most 'fun' |
| 20:04.49 | thewanderer1 | ym, first, Linux does not have DOS |
| 20:04.55 | ym | bash, sorry |
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| 20:04.58 | thewanderer1 | ym, second, are you REALLY using Debian? |
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| 20:05.12 | ym | well this is a big channel so i thought id ask XD |
| 20:05.15 | ym | i dont know what im using |
| 20:05.21 | abrotman | gl4ndu: if this is a hosted system, you'd probably want to ask them to back up your data and reinstall |
| 20:05.24 | d1b | ym: case sense is a feature :) |
| 20:05.28 | abrotman | ym: what does `uname -r' say ? |
| 20:05.37 | ym | 2.6.32-24-generic |
| 20:05.43 | jelly-one | ym: unix and linux have case sensitivity by default and it can't be disabled in general case. |
| 20:05.44 | abrotman | ym: please try ##linux or #ubuntu |
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| 20:05.48 | gl4ndu | abrotman: what that? |
| 20:05.49 | streuner | ym: and cat /proc/version? |
| 20:06.01 | abrotman | gl4ndu: you can't mix ubuntu and debian |
| 20:06.01 | ym | Linux version 2.6.32-24-generic (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #38-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 5 09:22:14 UTC 2010 |
| 20:06.09 | jelly-one | !ubuntu |
| 20:06.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:06.12 | abrotman | ym: please try ##linux or #ubuntu |
| 20:06.20 | Number6 | Can somebody please provide me a good repo for installing Firefox 3 using APT? |
| 20:06.26 | pallgone | ym: you can teach bash to ignore cases for completion... |
| 20:06.32 | Number6 | I have a Lenny. |
| 20:06.34 | abrotman | pallgone: go to #ubuntu with him |
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| 20:06.41 | ym | abrotman: ubuntu uses debian doesnt it |
| 20:06.45 | pallgone | abrotman: ? |
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| 20:06.50 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@2001 0:4137:9e76:28c1:23f6:b5b1:768f] by abrotman |
| 20:06.51 | gl4ndu | Number6: you shouldn't, I upgraded debian lenny from ubuntu repos, and now my Debian won't work... I think Debian isn't compatible with up-to-date system |
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| 20:07.02 | abrotman | ym: Ubuntu is NOT Debian, please use #ubuntu for support. |
| 20:07.13 | abrotman | gl4ndu: please stop trolling |
| 20:07.22 | streuner | Number6: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:07.25 | Number6 | gl4ndu, well that's why I asked "good repo" |
| 20:07.25 | gl4ndu | abrotman: trolling? |
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| 20:07.39 | jelly-one | "I'm not trolling at all!" |
| 20:07.40 | frog | im trying to run a script every 10 seconds * * * * * sleep 10; "netstat -apn|grep skype >>/tmp/ips". could someone ficx it for me |
| 20:07.42 | abrotman | right .. someone with the hostmask like that doesn't know what 'trolling' is .. give me a break |
| 20:07.57 | jelly-one | abrotman: it's kban time! |
| 20:08.36 | gl4ndu | you should've played the game :( |
| 20:08.45 | gl4ndu | this troll was state-of-the-art |
| 20:08.49 | jelly-one | gl4ndu, be an arse elsewhere kthx |
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| 20:09.19 | jelly-one | no subtlety at all, poor form |
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| 20:09.30 | Number6 | Isn't there a better Iceweasel which doesn't crash all the time when a video on youtube is played? |
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| 20:09.40 | abrotman | Number6: usually that's a flash problem |
| 20:10.03 | streuner | Number6: flash problems sucks |
| 20:10.31 | jelly-one | Number6: you might want to use a youtube downloader tool if you want stability with those videos. |
| 20:10.36 | jordanm | doesn't have any issues with google-chrome, but doesn't watch a whole lot of flash anyways |
| 20:10.37 | Number6 | abrotman, no it's iceweasel's problem. Firefox solved it by protecting itself from plugins. But ofcourse Iceweasel is way behind that... |
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| 20:10.59 | lindi- | Number6: what version of firefox? |
| 20:11.06 | abrotman | uhm .. it's a flash problem |
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| 20:11.22 | abrotman | just because FF made the plugin out-of-process doesn't make the plugin less crashy |
| 20:11.23 | thewanderer1 | Number6: dump Flash, use Chromium with HTML5 WebM video support! |
| 20:11.27 | Number6 | I don't know the details, but that's what I've read about Firefox. |
| 20:11.37 | babilen | Number6: It has already been pointed out to you that you can install from backports. |
| 20:11.59 | lindi- | Number6: almost impossible to check that |
| 20:12.04 | Number6 | babilen, that's to much of effort, I want to have Debian as "normal" as possible. |
| 20:12.09 | jelly-one | Number6, you should also be able to install Firefox from the vendor. |
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| 20:12.38 | Number6 | yeah yeah.... |
| 20:12.40 | babilen | Number6: You asked for a repository, backports is what you are looking for. |
| 20:12.49 | pallgone | Number6: yeah, you can just use the static version of firefox from mozilla |
| 20:13.04 | Number6 | thewanderer1, what's Chromium, ok whatever, than I get a reaction like: google it :) |
| 20:13.28 | lindi- | chromium-browser is fortunately already in debian |
| 20:13.34 | Number6 | pallgone, but that's static as you said. |
| 20:13.46 | babilen | !tell Number6 -about chromium |
| 20:13.48 | pallgone | Number6: so? |
| 20:14.02 | Number6 | babilen, I once did a backport to support a wifi-card and I end up with a modified kernel etc... |
| 20:14.22 | babilen | Number6: Unlikely |
| 20:14.31 | Number6 | pallgone, well than you have to recompile everything after an update... |
| 20:15.15 | thewanderer1 | does a facebook gesture - a facepalm only using a book |
| 20:15.20 | pallgone | Number6: you don't compile anything, just download and play... it works on squeeze at least |
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| 20:15.34 | Number6 | anyway, I'll check it out later as for now there is no easy solution (like add a repo which manage firefox). |
| 20:16.11 | Number6 | But hey guys, thank you very much for your help, let's not forget about that :) |
| 20:16.21 | babilen | Number6: Add backports and install iceweasel from there (aptitude -t lenny-backports install iceweasel) or install firefox from the vendor ... |
| 20:16.22 | nsadmin2 | argh. artsd is a piece of misdesigned crap that just caused my laptop to get stuck respawining itself like a fork bomb |
| 20:16.42 | jelly-one | Number6: you don't need a repo with Firefox, it has its own update system. |
| 20:16.42 | streuner | try OSS4 instead |
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| 20:17.05 | streuner | if ARTS not work, OSS4 is an good alternative |
| 20:17.26 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin2, so true, but that's what we have to do without ALSA mixing support or proper hardware mixers (where is the REAL hardware when you need it? no, win-hardware don't either) |
| 20:17.28 | Number6 | jelly-one, well tell me more abou tit :p |
| 20:17.30 | thewanderer1 | OSS is dead... |
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| 20:17.51 | streuner | sure, but not OSS4 |
| 20:17.53 | nsadmin2 | oss4 is a whole module system like alsa, right? how is that a direct replacement for alsa? |
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| 20:18.13 | Number6 | babilen, I need instructions, cause I'm busy with too many things here... |
| 20:18.14 | nsadmin2 | misspoke... |
| 20:18.22 | nsadmin2 | how is that a direct replacement for artsd |
| 20:18.27 | babilen | !tell Number6 about bpo |
| 20:18.53 | streuner | nsadmin2: its a replacement for a soundsystem |
| 20:19.07 | streuner | NOT for ESD or ARTS |
| 20:19.16 | nsadmin2 | streuner, that's what I thought... I would guess artsd would run on top of either |
| 20:19.17 | simonrvn | !prize greycat |
| 20:19.17 | dpkg | gives greycat a yogi pin. |
| 20:19.25 | streuner | heh |
| 20:19.31 | thewanderer1 | I thought OSS was deprecated and never going to be reintroduced |
| 20:19.31 | SARC | how do i change the welcome screen? (i.e., Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 hostname tty1)? |
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| 20:19.42 | abrotman | !tell SARC about issue |
| 20:19.42 | greycat | SARC: /etc/issue |
| 20:20.00 | streuner | thewanderer1: well, OSS4 is still alive and in Debian too |
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| 20:20.23 | thewanderer1 | streuner: I don't compile my kernels with OSS support anyway O.o |
| 20:20.47 | streuner | thewanderer1: you dont need that at all, dkms make it auto for you |
| 20:20.55 | nsadmin2 | is oss still in the kernel? |
| 20:21.08 | streuner | it compiles auto modules for your `uname -r` kernel |
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| 20:21.10 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin2: in Debian, most certainly |
| 20:21.15 | jelly-one | nsadmin, no, but that didn't stop anyone |
| 20:21.17 | thewanderer1 | streuner: sorry, I am moving away from modules |
| 20:21.20 | nsadmin2 | I thought linus summarily decapitated it |
| 20:22.11 | SARC | greycat & abrotman: thank you |
| 20:22.29 | jelly-one | thewanderer1: OSS doesn't exist in vanilla kernels nor Debian's any more. You might be thinking of alsa compatibility modules. |
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| 20:22.55 | Innocentus | hi people |
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| 20:23.08 | thewanderer1 | jelly-one: oh, I thought that if it's still available in the menuconfig, it would be available in Debian |
| 20:23.25 | jelly-one | thewanderer1: it's not available in menuconfig. |
| 20:23.27 | greycat | I believe he's saying it's *not* available in menuconfig |
| 20:23.41 | jelly-one | what I said. Apparently. |
| 20:23.46 | nsadmin2 | it might not be available in menuconfig, since that would be in the kernel :) |
| 20:23.47 | thewanderer1 | runs to check |
| 20:23.51 | Innocentus | I want to establish a connection to the mysql-server through a ssh-connection. |
| 20:23.58 | SineDeviance | debian makes a good server, yes? |
| 20:23.59 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: no problem! |
| 20:24.01 | Innocentus | what do I need to do? |
| 20:24.08 | jelly-one | SineDeviance, correct |
| 20:24.08 | Innocentus | I have installed the mysql-server and the ssh-server |
| 20:24.10 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: use SSH port forwarding |
| 20:24.13 | nsadmin2 | SineDeviance sure |
| 20:24.24 | Innocentus | port forwarding has to be configured in the server, right? |
| 20:24.27 | SineDeviance | any specific version i should use? lenny, etch, sarge? |
| 20:24.34 | thewanderer1 | SineDeviance: stable. |
| 20:24.39 | greycat | I'm not touching anything that sounds like it might possibly conceivable be a request for help setting up an SSH tunnel. Not in this channel. |
| 20:24.40 | jelly-one | Innocentus, what you need is enabled by default |
| 20:24.42 | SineDeviance | thewanderer1: so current stable? lenny? |
| 20:24.46 | nsadmin2 | the better you are as a server admin, the better the server you will likely set up |
| 20:24.50 | babilen | SineDeviance: yes, lenny |
| 20:24.55 | SineDeviance | okay, thanks all |
| 20:25.02 | Innocentus | good :) |
| 20:25.12 | JordiGH | feels the freeze nigh. |
| 20:25.15 | JordiGH | It's getting cold around here... |
| 20:25.20 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: man ssh and you're set... |
| 20:25.37 | jelly-one | greycat, leave it to people with some nongrey hair left |
| 20:25.38 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: real admins do it with socat, just so you know :P |
| 20:25.44 | SineDeviance | my server is currently running crunchbang lite 9.04.1 with gdm and X disabled. it's not broken, but i think debian would be better for this. i also got kind of sloppy when i set everything up so it'd be nice to do a fresh reinstall. |
| 20:25.58 | greycat | But if he does specifically say he wants help setting up a tunnel, then I have a wiki page for it. |
| 20:26.04 | JordiGH | Let's freeze during debconf. |
| 20:26.32 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH: and leave the system broken? yay... |
| 20:26.39 | jordanm | JordiGH: uhh, I think there was quite a bit of talk about how little work gets done while debconf is happening :) |
| 20:26.57 | jelly-one | thewanderer1, I'll give you 10 USD for each user that figures out ssh tunneling by only perusing the manual. |
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| 20:27.01 | reallynotluke | Is there any way of raising the default resolution of VTTYs? |
| 20:27.15 | JordiGH | thewanderer1: The remaining RC bugs seem to be only "hard" stuff... and the RC bug count looks low. |
| 20:27.29 | thewanderer1 | jelly-one: okay :P |
| 20:27.39 | JordiGH | reallynotluke: You mean the ctrl+alt+f1-6 stuff? |
| 20:27.48 | reallynotluke | yuh-huh :) |
| 20:27.51 | Arrowmaster | reallynotluke: add vga=ask to your kernel boot line in grub/lilo |
| 20:27.53 | thewanderer1 | reallynotluke: you can use KMS if available for your hardware |
| 20:27.56 | JordiGH | reallynotluke: You have to tell Linux to use a higher resolution. Passing Linux the vga=791 parameter works for me. |
| 20:28.05 | nsadmin2 | just pick a really cold place to hold debconf.... and you'll freeze! |
| 20:28.08 | reallynotluke | thankyou |
| 20:28.12 | reallynotluke | whats kms? |
| 20:28.24 | JordiGH | nsadmin2: Since it happens around August, we should pick Argentina next time. |
| 20:28.28 | reallynotluke | I've JUST installed debian, in the process of wgetting kernel-2.6.34 |
| 20:28.36 | babilen | !tell reallynotluke about kms |
| 20:28.41 | reallynotluke | ty |
| 20:28.42 | Arrowmaster | reallynotluke: why are you wgetting it? |
| 20:28.44 | babilen | reallynotluke: Why are you wgetting a kernel? |
| 20:28.45 | jordanm | reallynotluke: why? |
| 20:28.50 | babilen | hehe |
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| 20:28.57 | thewanderer1 | babilen: perhaps he wants to compile it?! :P |
| 20:29.00 | jelly-one | because curl sucks? |
| 20:29.00 | streuner | hihi |
| 20:29.09 | thewanderer1 | no no, real men do it with netcat |
| 20:29.18 | reallynotluke | whoa |
| 20:29.24 | nsadmin2 | reallynotluke is your kernel not working? |
| 20:29.28 | jordanm | no no, real men use butterflies |
| 20:29.31 | reallynotluke | oh, to compile it so I can apply the nvidia driver |
| 20:29.33 | greycat | The real question was, why are you getting a newer kernel at all? |
| 20:29.54 | greycat | Does the nvidia driver for the Debian kernel somehow not satisfy your needs? |
| 20:29.57 | reallynotluke | I asked about raising the vtty resolution because I'm currently at the default on a 43" display |
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| 20:30.10 | babilen | ... or why do you want to compile one yourself when you can enjoy nice Debian stock kernels ?-) |
| 20:30.13 | reallynotluke | can I just aptitude install it? |
| 20:30.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:30.23 | reallynotluke | .. |
| 20:30.26 | reallynotluke | facepalms |
| 20:30.28 | Arrowmaster | maybe not if you are using lenny though |
| 20:30.31 | thewanderer1 | reallynotluke: you have some newer kernels in backports |
| 20:30.32 | reallynotluke | ah |
| 20:30.39 | reallynotluke | I'm using lenny |
| 20:30.41 | thewanderer1 | ,versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 20:30.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found. |
| 20:30.43 | nsadmin2 | so you may not know this... but people feel existing compiled kernels (1) work fine and (2) make it easier to help people |
| 20:30.46 | thewanderer1 | ,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 20:30.47 | judd | linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+27; sid: 2.6.32+28 |
| 20:30.59 | greycat | reallynotluke: /msg dpkg nvidia pre-built |
| 20:31.01 | reallynotluke | aye, but I need to install the nvidia driver |
| 20:31.04 | reallynotluke | thanks |
| 20:31.07 | babilen | I'm not sure about the combination of a bpo kernel and nvidia modules though -- Do they work together? |
| 20:31.19 | thewanderer1 | reallynotluke: for me, NVIDIA driver breaks the console... |
| 20:31.20 | Arrowmaster | they should |
| 20:31.24 | thewanderer1 | YMMV, as always |
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| 20:31.40 | nsadmin2 | nvidia would have to be bpo too, for a bpo kernel |
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| 20:32.17 | babilen | nsadmin2: I ahve no experience with it, hence my question |
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| 20:32.45 | Innocentus | omg |
| 20:32.47 | Innocentus | I am such an idiot |
| 20:32.52 | Innocentus | I have installed harden-servers |
| 20:32.54 | Innocentus | nooo |
| 20:33.02 | Innocentus | how can I undo it? |
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| 20:33.11 | jelly-one | ,versions harden-servers |
| 20:33.12 | judd | harden-servers -- etch: 0.1.30; lenny: 0.1.33; sid: 0.1.37; squeeze: 0.1.37 |
| 20:33.14 | streuner | remove harden? |
| 20:33.20 | babilen | Innocentus: May I introduce you to punctuation? |
| 20:33.28 | Innocentus | ok |
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| 20:33.41 | nsadmin2 | does punctuation hurt? |
| 20:33.44 | Innocentus | no. |
| 20:33.50 | Innocentus | when I remove it, will it work again? |
| 20:33.52 | Innocentus | pls |
| 20:33.59 | greycat | Only if you misuse it. |
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| 20:34.22 | nsadmin2 | try purging it, it should undo the effects of installing it |
| 20:34.27 | babilen | !tell Innocentus -about enter |
| 20:34.41 | Innocentus | how to purge it? |
| 20:34.47 | streuner | harden just installs packages which should be safe and dont use packages which are unsafe... |
| 20:34.51 | greycat | same way you'd purge any other package |
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| 20:35.01 | babilen | ... aptitude purge ;) |
| 20:35.03 | Innocentus | can you give me an example - because I don't know how :) |
| 20:35.08 | streuner | heh |
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| 20:35.19 | nsadmin2 | you would use aptitude |
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| 20:35.32 | Innocentus | damn |
| 20:35.34 | Innocentus | I am so new to debian |
| 20:35.37 | Innocentus | *whines* |
| 20:35.45 | streuner | well, we are all too ;-) |
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| 20:35.48 | babilen | !tell Innocentus -about reference |
| 20:36.11 | babilen | Innocentus: Debian welcomes you, but demands that you read some documentation |
| 20:36.19 | wash | Is it possible to do a netinstall of Windows from a Debian box with a pxe/bootp server? |
| 20:36.21 | streuner | Innocentus: Debian has so much issues, most of us have to learn every day, so no worries... |
| 20:36.23 | nsadmin2 | you're throwing too much at him |
| 20:36.28 | Innocentus | ok |
| 20:36.33 | Innocentus | I have purged that package |
| 20:36.37 | Innocentus | now everything is back again? |
| 20:36.43 | nsadmin2 | should be |
| 20:36.45 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 20:36.49 | Innocentus | *phew* |
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| 20:37.15 | Innocentus | how can I make a portscan on my own v-server without panicing my provider? |
| 20:37.18 | nsadmin2 | did it remove things other than itself (when you installed it, did it install several other pkgs? |
| 20:37.24 | Innocentus | yes |
| 20:37.24 | babilen | wash: I'm not sure if you can netinstall Windows. Ask in ##windows -- If they provide PXE/TFTP images you can certainly host them on a Debian server |
| 20:37.26 | Innocentus | it removes some stuff |
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| 20:37.55 | Innocentus | oh oh |
| 20:37.59 | Innocentus | noooooooooo |
| 20:38.22 | nsadmin2 | wut now? |
| 20:38.32 | wash | babilen: thanks |
| 20:38.36 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: regarding the portscan, just see netstat -tl and netstat -ul and you know what sockets you have open |
| 20:39.01 | Innocentus | all looks normal |
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| 20:39.12 | Innocentus | but it has removed some stuff |
| 20:39.15 | Innocentus | I saw it |
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| 20:39.30 | nsadmin2 | that's probably what you wanted |
| 20:39.37 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: the log is in /var/log/apt/term.log - you can check it! |
| 20:39.53 | thewanderer1 | I don't know if it logs aptitude, too |
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| 20:40.26 | thewanderer1 | /var/log/aptitude has the actions issued with aptitude |
| 20:40.55 | jargon- | how do i get libxcb1_1.1.92 for lenny so that i can install firefox 3.5? |
| 20:41.16 | streuner | jargon-: why not just use backports? |
| 20:41.22 | babilen | jargon-: You can install iceweasel 3.5 from backports |
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| 20:41.34 | greycat | I doubt you'd need version 1.1.92 specifically |
| 20:41.38 | Innocentus | here is the log: http://pastebin.com/zd3FUGBL |
| 20:41.41 | Innocentus | *shudders* |
| 20:41.43 | Innocentus | *fear* |
| 20:41.50 | greycat | doesn't installing libxcb1 suffice? |
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| 20:42.35 | greycat | I'm using upstream firefox 3.6.x with lenny's standard libxcb1 package |
| 20:42.38 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: this is the apt log: http://pastebin.com/zd3FUGBL |
| 20:42.47 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: what exactly happened now? :/ |
| 20:42.53 | babilen | Innocentus: What is wrong with that? If you need any of those services you can just reinstall them. |
| 20:42.55 | streuner | hadnt many problems in order to use binaries out of firefox in the past, not sure nowadays |
| 20:42.55 | nsadmin2 | really it should be fine |
| 20:42.57 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: vsftpd is considered insecure? |
| 20:43.06 | jargon- | streuner: babilen: is this what i'm looking for? http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/iceweasel-l10n-pl |
| 20:43.16 | nsadmin2 | ftp is considered insecure. all ftp. |
| 20:43.19 | babilen | jargon-: no |
| 20:43.19 | streuner | nah |
| 20:43.25 | babilen | !tell jargon- -about bpo |
| 20:43.26 | greycat | jargon-: that's a language pack |
| 20:43.29 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: what is nfs? and what is portmap? |
| 20:43.35 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: is the config also deleted? |
| 20:43.38 | streuner | jargon-: backports.org and look for instructions |
| 20:43.42 | babilen | jargon-: Follow the instructions and issue "aptitude -t lenny-backports install iceweasel" |
| 20:43.42 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: does confixx need it? |
| 20:43.44 | jargon- | good thing i asked |
| 20:43.57 | nsadmin2 | Innocentus: can we back up... |
| 20:44.12 | nsadmin2 | what do you want to accomplish with your machine |
| 20:44.39 | babilen | Innocentus: Relax - If you don't need those services (or don't even know what they are) you can just leave them uninstalled and reinstall them once you *know* you want them |
| 20:44.53 | Innocentus | ok |
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| 20:45.15 | Innocentus | is there a more secure / better / faster alternative to vsftpd? |
| 20:45.22 | Innocentus | * ftp in general? |
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| 20:45.31 | greycat | ssh/sftp |
| 20:45.32 | nsadmin2 | if you don't need them you don't want them (at least not until you identify a specific need they exclusively fulfil) |
| 20:45.45 | SARC | what script loads the issue/issue.net file? i would like to put in a clearscreen |
| 20:45.52 | greycat | SARC: you can't. |
| 20:46.07 | greycat | SARC: if you want to clear the screen when you logout, then echo clear >> ~/.bash_logout |
| 20:46.11 | nsadmin2 | err misspoke. if you don't know what they are, you don't want them until identify need. |
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| 20:47.15 | SARC | so no way to clear errors/warning at boot before issue file is displayed? |
| 20:47.41 | greycat | no sane way. |
| 20:47.55 | Innocentus | but ssh alone is not sufficient for file transfers? |
| 20:47.59 | greycat | I don't count "prepend a raw vt100 clear-screen escape sequence to the file" as sane. |
| 20:48.09 | greycat | Innocentus: it is, but most people find it awkward. |
| 20:48.19 | greycat | Innocentus: ssh me@remotebox 'cat > somefilename' < localfilename |
| 20:48.25 | thewanderer1 | SARC, you can hack splashy or add some initscript after splashy, I think |
| 20:48.27 | SARC | but doable i take it? |
| 20:48.49 | Innocentus | greycat: and if I want to comfortable upload files from a windows computer? |
| 20:48.51 | SARC | thewanderer1: im through with splashy |
| 20:48.53 | Innocentus | *comfortably |
| 20:49.01 | greycat | does lenny have an rc.local? |
| 20:49.03 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: WinSCP |
| 20:49.14 | Innocentus | the lol-question of the day: "how can I install splashy for my webserver"? :) |
| 20:49.18 | rozie | greycat: it has |
| 20:49.21 | Innocentus | winscp - ok |
| 20:49.25 | streuner | greycat: not sure, but it should |
| 20:49.35 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 20:49.36 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 20:49.39 | greycat | SARC: looks like you could put a clear command in /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 20:49.52 | streuner | !factinfo rc.local |
| 20:49.53 | dpkg | rc.local -- last modified at Thu Apr 26 14:55:47 2007 by stew!i=nulliden@mail.vireo.net; it has been requested 216 times, last by streuner, 18s ago. |
| 20:49.54 | greycat | or ... that. |
| 20:50.05 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: winscp... - what protocol should I use? |
| 20:50.07 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: ftp? |
| 20:50.22 | streuner | omg, stew, he didnt say much lately here :-( |
| 20:50.22 | greycat | SARC: my mistake. Edit /etc/rc.local NOT /etc/init.d/rc.local |
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| 20:50.59 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: no, SFTP |
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| 20:51.20 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: Debian already comes with SFTP preconfigured if you have openssh running |
| 20:51.21 | streuner | Innocentus: WinSCP uses ssh/sftp |
| 20:51.22 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: sftp over ssh-tunnel? sounds very secure |
| 20:51.29 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: why? lol |
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| 20:51.34 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: sftp is already ssh |
| 20:51.35 | Innocentus | filezilla supports that also? |
| 20:51.39 | Innocentus | I mean as client |
| 20:51.40 | greycat | sftp isn't "over ssh-tunnel". It's a file transfer protocol built onto ssh. |
| 20:51.43 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: I don't think so |
| 20:51.54 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: also, SFTP has nothing to do with FTP or FTPS |
| 20:51.54 | greycat | Although you could also tunnel it if you wanted. |
| 20:52.18 | Innocentus | filezilla has "SFTP" in its list |
| 20:52.27 | Innocentus | is that the correct item? - :/ |
| 20:52.30 | babilen | yes |
| 20:52.34 | greycat | Try It And See? |
| 20:52.34 | Innocentus | ohh yea |
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| 20:53.18 | babilen | greycat: :-p |
| 20:53.26 | nsadmin2 | Innocentus: so, what do you want to use your debian for? |
| 20:53.29 | thewanderer1 | Hey, peeps. If I fork() and a child returns, does SIGCHILD kill the parent? |
| 20:53.44 | thewanderer1 | do I have to implement a signal handler? |
| 20:53.55 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 20:54.01 | Innocentus | it works |
| 20:54.03 | Innocentus | hooray |
| 20:54.04 | Innocentus | thank you all |
| 20:54.26 | Innocentus | now I need to access the mysql-server via ssh-tunnel |
| 20:54.35 | Innocentus | navicat supports that - but is everything already configured? |
| 20:55.18 | greycat | thewanderer1: sigaction(2) says "the only completely portable method of ensuring that terminated children do not become zombies is to catch the SIGCHLD signal and per- form a wait(2) or similar." |
| 20:55.32 | SARC | greycat: clear; or clear(); ? |
| 20:55.38 | thewanderer1 | greycat: thanks... doesn't that imply blocking, though? |
| 20:55.41 | greycat | SARC: "clear" |
| 20:55.51 | greycat | SARC: on a line by itself, before the exit |
| 20:55.56 | SARC | greycat, no semicolon? |
| 20:55.56 | greycat | without the quotes |
| 20:55.57 | babilen | hands Innocentus a couple , ; and . and removes his enter key |
| 20:56.06 | greycat | you don't need semicolons at the ends of commands in shell scripts |
| 20:56.10 | Innocentus | OK. :) |
| 20:56.16 | SARC | greycat, tried that and it didnt clearanything |
| 20:56.17 | Innocentus | Is.that.better.now? |
| 20:56.19 | greycat | you don't type "ls;" at your prompt, do you? |
| 20:56.34 | simonrvn | thewanderer1: man 7 signal "SIGCHLD 20,17,18 Ign Child stopped or terminated" nothing about the parent... why would it also kill the parent? |
| 20:56.39 | thewanderer1 | greycat: if you are a database engineer, you DO |
| 20:56.46 | greycat | SARC: you rebooted? it's run at boot time only. |
| 20:56.55 | SARC | greycat: twice now |
| 20:57.08 | peterS | thewanderer1: 'man 7 signal' - note the default action for SIGCHLD is "Ign", i.e., ignore |
| 20:57.08 | thewanderer1 | simonrvn: I somehow got this notion that any unhandled signal would explode in my face |
| 20:57.14 | thewanderer1 | ah, ok |
| 20:57.17 | thewanderer1 | thx |
| 20:57.39 | peterS | thewanderer1: therefore you don't need to worry about it killing you _or_ becoming a zombie, at least on Linux, unless you install a signal handler other than the default |
| 20:57.44 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1: probably not,,, the signal handler is called by the signal which is raised when a child dies... at the point the child dies, it becomes a zombie untill and unless it is reaped (by a cal to wait(that pid)) |
| 20:57.46 | Innocentus | what would be the best server for php-driven websites (especially zend framework)? |
| 20:57.54 | nsadmin2 | Innocentus: so, what do you want to use your debian for? |
| 20:57.55 | greycat | SARC: make sure /etc/rc.local has execute permissions |
| 20:57.55 | Innocentus | actually I am using apache2 |
| 20:58.06 | Innocentus | nsadmin2: as webserver for a highly visited website |
| 20:58.18 | nsadmin2 | so, this is a remote? |
| 20:58.20 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: highly visited websites don't use Apache2 :P |
| 20:58.37 | greycat | I'm sure many of them do. |
| 20:58.46 | thewanderer1 | not Wikipedia nor Youtube, though |
| 20:58.48 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: so what would be the alternative? |
| 20:58.55 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: lighttpd - you decide |
| 20:59.03 | SARC | greycat: it has execute permissions |
| 20:59.06 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: but I heard that lighttpd sucks when php is used |
| 20:59.06 | nsadmin2 | personally I use aolserver |
| 20:59.16 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: so I have got a problem with that |
| 20:59.17 | nsadmin2 | and openacs |
| 20:59.22 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin2: aolserver as in what? |
| 20:59.25 | streuner | nsadmin2: hit yourself :-P |
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| 20:59.28 | greycat | SARC: hmm... OK, try replacing the "clear" line with "TERM=linux clear" |
| 20:59.43 | greycat | SARC: (no semicolon between TERM=linux and clear) |
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| 21:00.09 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1 take a look at greenpeace.org and scorecard.org |
| 21:00.15 | nsadmin2 | they both run on aolserver |
| 21:00.18 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay |
| 21:00.23 | SARC | clear on second line? |
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| 21:00.35 | SARC | you confused me by the semicolon statement |
| 21:00.36 | greycat | SARC: anywhere before the 'exit' is fine |
| 21:00.42 | thewanderer1 | another alternative, then - thanks, I once knew it but seem to have forgotten |
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| 21:00.56 | greycat | SARC: some people might see me type "TERM=linux clear" and think I meant "TERM=linux; clear" but I didn't. |
| 21:01.03 | thewanderer1 | so do I absolutely have to wait() for children? |
| 21:01.11 | greycat | thewanderer1: you could exit instead. |
| 21:01.24 | greycat | thewanderer1: or you could amass your zombie legion |
| 21:01.34 | thewanderer1 | greycat: cool, so I either run away or await them with a shotgun. Fair enough! |
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| 21:02.11 | nsadmin2 | that sounds about right... the correct way is to wait() when you get the signal |
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| 21:02.52 | peterS | thewanderer1: in linux and the unix I've used before, 'ignore' as a signal handler for SIGCHLD is a perfectly valid way to not get zombies. but it also means you will never be able to know whether your children died honorably, or what their exit status was |
| 21:03.03 | thewanderer1 | is using wait() in a server main thread is "right" ? |
| 21:03.05 | nsadmin2 | so if you've built or allocated other resources at the time you forked, you could clean them up in the signal handler |
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| 21:03.26 | thewanderer1 | peterS: I had zombie problems in my previous server, I ended up writing a class called ZombieSweeper, no thanks :P |
| 21:03.29 | nsadmin2 | no, in the signal handler |
| 21:03.32 | peterS | thewanderer1: if you _do_ need to know exit status, you want to call wait in a nonblocking way, in a loop, in the SIGCHLD handler. |
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| 21:04.22 | thewanderer1 | the thing is, the handler runs in the server process :P |
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| 21:04.22 | peterS | yes it's in the server process |
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| 21:04.22 | reallynotluke | nvidia-kernel-common unavailable :S |
| 21:04.22 | peterS | but not in the main loop, it's its own function |
| 21:04.23 | thewanderer1 | I can't afford blocking... |
| 21:04.28 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: so you don't block |
| 21:04.33 | peterS | use waitpid() in nonblocking mode |
| 21:04.35 | nsadmin2 | isn't the server process where you spawned the child? |
| 21:04.40 | greycat | why would it block if you *know* the child is dead? |
| 21:04.40 | thewanderer1 | yes, it is |
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| 21:04.43 | reallynotluke | trying to install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 21:05.11 | thewanderer1 | peterS: in nonblocking mode it returns immediately, but does it guarantee that the child is freed? |
| 21:05.15 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why the WNOHANG option exists |
| 21:05.18 | nsadmin2 | then (designwise) that;s the correct place to deallocate the child and whatever other resources were allocated at that time |
| 21:05.18 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: no, it doesn't |
| 21:05.26 | peterS | thewanderer1: it will tell you whether it reaped a child. you run it in a loop until it doesn't reap a child. |
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| 21:05.48 | thewanderer1 | peterS, running a loop in my server hangs the main loop |
| 21:05.53 | peterS | thewanderer1: i.e., until there weren't any children left that were still in purgatory |
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| 21:06.20 | peterS | thewanderer1: (1) you have to use WNOHANG, the nonblocking flag; (2) you exit the loop when waitpid() indicates that it didn't have any more zombies to reap |
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| 21:06.44 | thewanderer1 | peterS, but what if I end up looping for a year? |
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| 21:06.50 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: then you loop for a year |
| 21:06.58 | nsadmin2 | then you created for a year before that |
| 21:07.00 | peterS | thewanderer1: then you had a _lot_ of zombies to go through, eh. just hope you didn't spawn that many |
| 21:07.04 | greycat | if you spawned 37 trillion children, then you have to reap them all. |
| 21:07.10 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: you should know which children you spawned and what their pids are |
| 21:07.16 | thewanderer1 | I do. |
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| 21:07.36 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: you then loop occasionally, checking to see if any have stopped and what their status was |
| 21:07.44 | peterS | thewanderer1: now if you set up your signal handler correctly, you may have a race-free thing where you don't technically have to loop as you won't lose signals. but I always get confused about exactly how to set that up to guarantee this, so I always just loop with WNOHANG. |
| 21:07.47 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1: I doubt you personally have that kind of ram... and I -really- doubt your users do |
| 21:07.51 | sheepz | could anyone please help me with this? http://serverfault.com/questions/164260/vmware-virtual-machine-network-devices-malfunctioning |
| 21:08.17 | greycat | sounds like a #vmware question |
| 21:08.18 | streuner | Does stew go to debconf this year? |
| 21:08.22 | peterS | thewanderer1: that is, I re-install the signal handler as the first thing I do in the signal handler. you shouldn't have to do this, with modern sigaction() stuff, but I never can keep straight how to use all that |
| 21:08.40 | reallynotluke | why is nvidia-kernel-common unavailable? |
| 21:08.56 | greycat | did you add non-free sources? |
| 21:08.56 | thewanderer1 | oh. so if I run waitpid() with WNOHANG, it just reaps a child and returns in no time? |
| 21:09.12 | peterS | reallynotluke: oh ... that. I ate it last night. I'm sorry, but I was just really hungry and there weren't a lot of other contrib packages around |
| 21:09.38 | peterS | thewanderer1: yes. or if there weren't any dead children, it returns immediately without reaping anything |
| 21:09.56 | streuner | hehe, nvidia gives many headaches as usual... |
| 21:10.09 | peterS | streuner: yeah. I kinda regretted it half an hour later. |
| 21:10.15 | thewanderer1 | so if I really get an undead process, it blocks me until forever, right? |
| 21:10.32 | SARC | greycat: your second suggestion didnt work either |
| 21:10.34 | thewanderer1 | (like: wait() doesn't finish it and I keep on looping) |
| 21:10.35 | greycat | I really don't understand why thewanderer1 isn't getting this. |
| 21:10.43 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1, if your app works properly, why would you ever get that? |
| 21:10.43 | peterS | thewanderer1: no. it waitpid() with WNOHANG will reap your dead process and then return, still almost immediately. |
| 21:10.53 | thewanderer1 | okay |
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| 21:10.55 | SARC | and incidentally, the escape sequence to clear the screen didnt work either |
| 21:11.00 | peterS | thewanderer1: the point of WNOHANG is that if there's no work to do it will not wait around until there is. |
| 21:11.09 | thewanderer1 | I know |
| 21:11.16 | thewanderer1 | but then I shouldn't need to loop... |
| 21:11.20 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 21:11.52 | peterS | thewanderer1: the point of the loop is if you use the old BSD signal setup stuff, which has an obvious race condition and it's possible to miss a SIGCHLD if you happen to get two in a row really fast |
| 21:11.59 | greycat | You use WNOHANG in case there are 0 things to reap (even though there SHOULD be at least one since you were told by the signal). You loop in case there's more than one. |
| 21:12.16 | peterS | thewanderer1: if you use modern sigaction() stuff properly, you don't really need to loop. but I've never bothered to figure out exactly how to do that properly and be sure I am doing it properly, so I just loop. |
| 21:12.23 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1: probably you shouldn't use us as an ad hoc and really inaccurate profiler |
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| 21:12.39 | thewanderer1 | alright... |
| 21:12.48 | nsadmin2 | instead you should profile your code :) |
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| 21:13.20 | greycat | SARC: I'd have to reboot my workstation over and over to test this, and I'm not really in the mood to do that right now. Sorry. My last idea before I leave would be: TERM=linux clear >/dev/tty1 and if that doesn't work then :( |
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| 21:13.49 | peterS | greycat: or /dev/tty ? |
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| 21:13.58 | peterS | but then why wasn't /dev/tty already there |
| 21:14.01 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin2: I was just considering a situation where I get a SIGCHLD but no child gets finished when I wait with WNOHANG |
| 21:14.04 | greycat | peterS: I suspect there *is* no controlling tty at that point, hence the need to explicitly hit /dev/tty1 |
| 21:14.10 | thewanderer1 | but I see that I can ignore that case now |
| 21:14.17 | greycat | peterS: otherwise, the "TERM=linux clear" should have worked |
| 21:14.25 | nsadmin2 | you should try it and see |
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| 21:14.44 | thewanderer1 | yeah, if it breaks, I'll blame the kernel ;P |
| 21:14.48 | nsadmin2 | because failing to do so would have the effect of you (still) not having the info |
| 21:14.56 | peterS | thewanderer1: yeah. with the loop and WNOHANG, the overwhelmingly common case is the signal handler gets called, there is exactly one child waiting to die, and the second time through the loop you get to exit. but by doing it that way, you can also handle the uncommon cases of 0 or 2 or 12 children waiting to die |
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| 21:15.35 | thewanderer1 | peterS, okay, so I'll do it while(status != 0) |
| 21:16.02 | thewanderer1 | seems nice, almost like libevent... |
| 21:16.11 | peterS | thewanderer1: I don't think that's what you want ... status will be 0 if the child exited normally |
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| 21:16.45 | thewanderer1 | return values: "... or zero if WNOHANG was provided as an option (on wait3-available systems) and no child was available." |
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| 21:17.08 | peterS | thewanderer1: well yeah, if you say status = waitpid(...) |
| 21:17.13 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 21:17.21 | thewanderer1 | sorry, it might have been unclear |
| 21:17.24 | peterS | thewanderer1: since the documentation talks about 'status' as a parameter to the function, I thought you meant that one |
| 21:17.31 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 21:17.42 | thewanderer1 | but we have signal queues in the kernel, right? |
| 21:17.46 | peterS | the second parameter, an int passed by reference and filled in with the exit status of the chyild |
| 21:18.11 | moldovean | hm sound chinese aka offtopic |
| 21:18.25 | peterS | thewanderer1: the other thing to account for is, a parent can get a SIGCHLD for other reasons than a child exiting. if a child is suspended with SIGSTOP for example. |
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| 21:18.52 | nsadmin2 | if you want to be an application programmer you would need to be independent of the shape of kernel structures (what if you have a user that uses a kernel without them) |
| 21:19.08 | Innocentus | thank you for your help and good night :=) |
| 21:19.33 | peterS | thewanderer1: as for signal queues - yes, in some cases the kernel can keep track of how many signals are waiting to be delivered. but you can't always count on that. I'm not sure that functionality is even available for non-realtime signals. |
| 21:19.41 | thewanderer1 | okay |
| 21:20.53 | thewanderer1 | so I have to account for the case where the process hasn't exited... |
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| 21:21.51 | peterS | thewanderer1: it's pretty much all in 'man waitpid' |
| 21:22.22 | thewanderer1 | peterS: okay, reading it now |
| 21:22.31 | thewanderer1 | I'm in PHP, anyway :P |
| 21:23.08 | peterS | thewanderer1: oh ... I have no idea how php handles child processes. might be something completely different. |
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| 21:24.12 | thewanderer1 | peterS: I can tell you that I'm looking at a manpage for pcntl_wait(), so all your suggestions seem 100% relevant |
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| 21:24.48 | peterS | thewanderer1: ah, I see |
| 21:24.50 | streuner | sure, he is DD, so he should have an idea :-P |
| 21:25.49 | peterS | streuner: well in fairness this line of questions is all about Unix system programming and nothing about Debian package maintenance |
| 21:26.47 | streuner | peterS: i didnt say that DD's havent any idea about other things like Debian :-P |
| 21:26.57 | peterS | heh |
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| 21:27.17 | thewanderer1 | I really wish there were nice examples and flowcharts for dummies like me trying to understand UNIX :P |
| 21:27.23 | streuner | well, most people have an idea about Unix then too... |
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| 21:29.51 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1: you do? cool... install inkscape and make some! |
| 21:30.31 | thewanderer1 | already installed... when I understand some more, I think I will draw some not to forget - I need some posters for my room anyway :P |
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| 21:33.33 | BeerSerc | Hi there, I am struggling to create a "testing" memory stick from which I can install netinst. I tried with unetbootin, but it doesn boot, and with several tutorials, which all seemed to be inofficial. is there a working way? |
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| 21:35.10 | nsadmin2 | start with a testing iso that you write to a cd and make sure it works |
| 21:35.10 | jhutchins | BeerSerc: Please read the install guide, it will provide you with additional information about how to do the install. |
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| 21:35.10 | babilen | !tell BeerSerc -about usb install |
| 21:35.10 | babilen | BeerSerc: do you havea linux host around? |
| 21:35.12 | nsadmin2 | once you have that, then look at the install guide to see how to prepare a usb stick |
| 21:35.13 | jhutchins | !install guide |
| 21:35.13 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.5) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 21:35.52 | acxty | Hi guys, I have all the computer on the network passing through a debian pc. Is there a aplication that allow me to see how much bandwidth each pc is using? |
| 21:36.55 | nsadmin2 | tcpdump and some raw packet interpreter? |
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| 21:38.14 | jhutchins | If he doesn't have a linux host around, he certainly shouldnt' be installing testing. |
| 21:38.39 | nsadmin2 | unless... he wants to... |
| 21:39.07 | jhutchins | nsadmin2: He's probably not going to be able to maintain it or fix it when it breaks. |
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| 21:39.38 | jhutchins | nsadmin2: Not sure what you're suggesting tcpdump for, but I generally don't use anything more than grep as a packet interpreter. |
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| 21:39.55 | acxty | nsadmin2, I am looking for an aplication that can be see using a web browser |
| 21:40.28 | nsadmin2 | you could be right... but you're reading an awful lot into your assumption of what his background and capability is |
| 21:40.41 | jhutchins | acxty: I understand that mrtg can be used for that, but that's the extent of my knowledge/ |
| 21:40.52 | BeerSerc | OK thanks, it worked that way, although it is hard to find the right files ... |
| 21:40.55 | Arrowmaster | acxty: iftop maybe but its console not browser |
| 21:41.01 | nsadmin2 | mrtg can use snmp |
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| 21:41.40 | acxty | thanks guy |
| 21:42.03 | Arrowmaster | acxty: ive never used it but theres also ntop |
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| 21:42.34 | thewanderer1 | ntop is a real resource hog but monitors network activity extremely well |
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| 21:42.44 | thewanderer1 | it just serves a different purpose than mrtg |
| 21:42.45 | Arrowmaster | "ntop displays a summary of network usage by machines on your network in a web mode, which allows the display to be browsed with a web browser." |
| 21:42.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah it sounds like what you want |
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| 21:44.00 | thewanderer1 | ntop does allow one how much bandwidth each PC is using, I think |
| 21:44.05 | eli_ | Hello guys, I wonder how to find information for software regarding a topic in debian. Let say I would like to create a mail server with my debian system, how would I know that sendmail and exim4 provides this? Any official site sorting packages after topics? |
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| 21:44.24 | nsadmin2 | unless you can get the various machines to tell their bandwidth over snmp, mrtg is probably not what you want |
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| 21:44.58 | nsadmin2 | eli: packages.debian.org |
| 21:45.19 | nsadmin2 | specifically the "browse stable archive" link |
| 21:45.24 | eli_ | The same information regarding creating a ftp server on a debain system. Which different packages (software) can I choose from and what are the differences? |
| 21:45.37 | Mr-Ex | nsadmin2: snmp is pretty easy to set up though, at least for purposes of pulling the interface packet counts |
| 21:45.45 | nsadmin2 | authenticated ftp is not recommended. |
| 21:45.58 | thewanderer1 | Mr-Ex: yes, as opposed to getting anything done with SNMP :P |
| 21:46.12 | eli_ | nsadmin2 thanks for the link I'll check it up now! |
| 21:46.19 | thewanderer1 | eli_, if you need a file server, use SFTP, or use OpenBSD :P |
| 21:46.56 | Mr-Ex | thewanderer1: snmpwalk for the oid then snmpget for it in a shell script or something that updates an rrd |
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| 21:47.04 | eli_ | thewandererl: I will check to see if I can find anything about those packages in packages.debian.org |
| 21:47.05 | Mr-Ex | or just install cactus or opennms |
| 21:47.31 | Mr-Ex | cacti, whoops |
| 21:47.34 | thewanderer1 | I never could configure an snmp agent, tho :P |
| 21:47.46 | thewanderer1 | Mr-Ex, yes, latin is tough |
| 21:48.13 | Mr-Ex | thewanderer1: the daemon or the client? |
| 21:48.28 | thewanderer1 | Mr-Ex: agent |
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| 21:48.54 | alpha^ | How can I configure my mail server (sendmail) to acknowledge the MX record for my domain? I send mail to user@example.com from server example.com, but the mail server is mail.example.com. However, example.com's log says, "Uknown user 'user'" |
| 21:49.17 | nsadmin2 | sendmail? you're running debian right? |
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| 21:49.36 | alpha^ | nsadmin, I am not running debian on this box. I just respect people's skill in here |
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| 21:50.15 | streuner | ok, so you are NOT running Debian |
| 21:50.29 | streuner | just join #sendmail then |
| 21:50.52 | alpha^ | Man, there are like 33 probably idle people in there |
| 21:50.52 | dondelelcaro | alpha^: you have example.com listed as a local-host-name. #sendmail will help you more |
| 21:50.59 | alpha^ | dondelelcaro, I'll look into that. Thanks |
| 21:52.03 | Mr-Ex | thewanderer1: what's to configure? throw the snmp protocol version and the credentials on the command line and go to town |
| 21:52.27 | macrobat | in kde 4.4.5, how can i make shift+insert paste x11-selection? |
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| 21:53.45 | thewanderer1 | macrobat: #kde |
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| 21:54.01 | thewanderer1 | I don't know by the way, I'm trapped in GNOME :( |
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| 21:54.36 | macrobat | the horror! |
| 21:54.40 | macrobat | ty |
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| 22:02.04 | Roland- | hey, is there a way ro tun 32 bit apps in 64 bit env? I mean it says not found ... and it's there |
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| 22:02.25 | jordanm | you can run some with ia32-libs |
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| 22:03.15 | Roland- | reboot required? |
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| 22:04.28 | jordanm | Roland-: no, what are you trying to run, and what is the *exact* error? |
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| 22:04.42 | jordanm | and what version of debian? |
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| 22:06.15 | moldovean | 3'whats : a. trying to run b. is the *exact* error c. version of debian |
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| 22:13.06 | thewanderer1 | if I have a parent which opens a client socket, and then a child forks() off it and write()s to that socket, am I doing it wrong? |
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| 22:17.34 | nsadmin2 | thewanderer1: I remember something about that particular case making a copy of the socket |
| 22:18.58 | andrewsw | I'm pretty sure the child gets a copy |
| 22:19.12 | thewanderer1 | copy? it just gets the same fd, right? |
| 22:19.51 | thewanderer1 | needs to look at his webserver to verify if it works and WHY it works |
| 22:19.56 | andrewsw | well, yeah. I would think you'd want to fork() and then open the socket after? Just a guess. |
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| 22:21.23 | thewanderer1 | lol |
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| 22:21.53 | thewanderer1 | I am actually accept()ing, then fork()ing, then close()ing the socket in the parent but not in the child |
| 22:22.36 | thewanderer1 | this is some wicked stuff |
| 22:23.24 | thewanderer1 | this actually works, but somehow I feel I'm not doing it right |
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| 22:25.13 | wonderwal | hello |
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| 22:25.48 | wonderwal | how can i set net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max value on boot? populating /etc/sysctl.conf with the setting does not work |
| 22:26.10 | thewanderer1 | does sysctl -w work? |
| 22:26.14 | wonderwal | yes |
| 22:26.25 | thewanderer1 | then something else is setting that back. next! |
| 22:26.30 | wonderwal | but i cant figure out how to apply it on boot |
| 22:26.36 | wonderwal | how do i pass it to modprobe? |
| 22:26.41 | wonderwal | example |
| 22:26.47 | thewanderer1 | wonderwal: you don't |
| 22:26.51 | wonderwal | why? |
| 22:27.02 | thewanderer1 | wonderwal: I don't think it's possible with modprobe... |
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| 22:27.14 | wonderwal | it is |
| 22:27.19 | thewanderer1 | you should call sysctl -w after loading the module, why not? |
| 22:27.31 | thewanderer1 | I don't happen to know a way to pass it to modprobe, sorry |
| 22:27.46 | wonderwal | i do |
| 22:27.47 | wonderwal | [root [at] localhos etc]# cat /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 22:27.47 | wonderwal | options ip_conntrack hashsize=1048576 |
| 22:27.52 | wonderwal | thats what i read somewhere |
| 22:27.59 | wonderwal | but modprobe.conf doesnt exist here |
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| 22:28.38 | thewanderer1 | wonderwal: the current Debian practice is using /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf now |
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| 22:28.55 | thewanderer1 | I forgot this existed, to be honest :P |
| 22:29.04 | wonderwal | so local.conf is what i should use here? |
| 22:29.26 | thewanderer1 | or just create a file and name it somehow, it's your own /etc after all |
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| 22:29.42 | wonderwal | i can call it anythingiwant.conf? |
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| 22:29.49 | thewanderer1 | all *.conf files get parsed |
| 22:29.56 | thewanderer1 | so yeah |
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| 22:30.17 | jordanm | non *.conf files get parsed too, but they will throw a deprecated warning |
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| 22:32.12 | thewanderer1 | yes, that's a truth that should have been unspoken of :P |
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| 22:36.15 | doudou1 | hi, how do i install monodevelop 2.4 i just finished installing squeeze |
| 22:36.40 | doudou1 | i dont understand the more fast the computer i can buy the slower the system run |
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| 22:37.23 | doudou1 | you cant know before installing a package what version is it? |
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| 22:37.57 | doudou1 | maybe wrong server, abrotman is not here? |
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| 22:39.06 | moldovean | !qotd114 |
| 22:39.07 | dpkg | <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 22:39.10 | moldovean | apt-cache policy monodevelop |
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| 22:39.44 | moldovean | , versions monodevelop |
| 22:39.45 | judd | monodevelop -- lenny: 1.0+dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 2.2.1+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.2.2+dfsg-1; squeeze: 2.2.2+dfsg-1; experimental: 2.4+dfsg-1 |
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| 22:40.33 | doudou1 | how can i have experimental? |
| 22:40.46 | abrotman | you cannot |
| 22:40.54 | thewanderer1 | doudou1: first, get a fire extinguisher. |
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| 22:41.01 | thewanderer1 | doudou1: then read the manual. |
| 22:41.15 | thewanderer1 | doudou1: apply the extinguisher on head whenever feels hot |
| 22:41.25 | abrotman | you can stop now |
| 22:41.29 | thewanderer1 | okay, sorry |
| 22:41.30 | doudou1 | i finish install squeeze because two days ago i came here to ask ... |
| 22:41.45 | thewanderer1 | in fact, experimental is not a release |
| 22:41.47 | doudou1 | what manual? |
| 22:41.53 | thewanderer1 | the Debian Reference |
| 22:41.56 | abrotman | just stop already |
| 22:41.58 | thewanderer1 | I think it's all in there |
| 22:42.03 | tharkun | doudou1: if you have to ask, you are not ready yet. |
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| 22:42.09 | ranix | et us know when you're sure, thewanderer1 |
| 22:42.12 | abrotman | experimental packages are not for normal people |
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| 22:43.09 | abrotman | and while doudou1 is far from normal, he's going toward the wrong end of the spectrum |
| 22:43.16 | doudou1 | few funny thing installing squeeze, the upgrade from lenny crush ... i install from network but at the end it ask where to install grub, i typed /dev/sde and it was over ... it was /dev/sda, i propose that install remmember the uuid of disk |
| 22:43.40 | doudou1 | who cares, i am very strong at backup |
| 22:43.46 | doudou1 | all on sd cards |
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| 22:44.27 | doudou1 | i can crush my system three times a day and restore it five |
| 22:44.40 | abrotman | that doesn't mean we should waste our time helping you do it |
| 22:44.41 | doudou1 | i am not afraid of experimental |
| 22:45.06 | abrotman | good, go read how to get packages from experimental .. stop asking here. If you want them, learn how to get them |
| 22:45.12 | tharkun | doudou1: we are afraid of you comming here to brag and cry about you running experimental |
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| 22:45.25 | abrotman | he can't "run experimental" |
| 22:45.30 | doudou1 | wow it is a personnal experience? each one cames and you help each case separatly? |
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| 22:45.59 | doudou1 | i can come here to cry for so many reasons |
| 22:46.10 | martianixor | is there trolling going on? |
| 22:46.11 | tharkun | abrotman: It is obvious that you can only run a set of experimental programs on a machine. Please |
| 22:46.14 | doudou1 | give me the link |
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| 22:46.32 | ranix | martianixor: not really, this isn't that sort of situation |
| 22:46.44 | abrotman | doudou1: Please take a 10 minute timeout and do some of your own research. Have fun! |
| 22:46.50 | nameless` | i can fuc*in hear your accent as i'm reading |
| 22:46.54 | martianixor | ranix: thanks for replying :-) |
| 22:47.09 | ranix | I'm here to help! ;) |
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| 22:48.29 | tharkun | ranix: I need a new car, can you help me ? |
| 22:48.41 | martianixor | heh |
| 22:48.52 | ranix | in OT |
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| 23:04.54 | doudou1 | finger |
| 23:05.22 | eli_ | hello guys I asked a question while ago about retrieving informations about packages sorted by topic for example various FTP packages and mail packages for a debian system, I was redirected to wath packages.debian.org |
| 23:05.33 | doudou1 | did you consider your image muting ppl all the time for nothing? |
| 23:05.45 | eli_ | and I can't say that neither the sorting nor the search function was really good over there |
| 23:05.51 | doudou1 | they will easily understand who you are |
| 23:06.23 | jordanm | eli_: have you tried something like the aptitude interface? |
| 23:06.23 | eli_ | a little |
| 23:06.28 | babilen | eli_: You might be interested in debtags -- Apart from that I am not aware of any topically sort of Debian packages |
| 23:06.31 | thewanderer1 | perhaps `synaptic` is more transparent to you |
| 23:06.37 | thewanderer1 | it has a GUI after all :P |
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| 23:06.51 | BlackFate | .but it's apt-get front end |
| 23:06.56 | BlackFate | not aptitude |
| 23:07.23 | themill | doudou1: we had a chat earlier today about you being "more signal and less noise in the channel" and how you were going to actually read what people wrote rather than just ramble on regardless. Please demonstrate that some of this has sunk in. |
| 23:07.46 | eli_ | can I find rate or download per packages? that would give aclue about whats popular at least |
| 23:08.05 | jordanm | !popcon |
| 23:08.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
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| 23:08.33 | jordanm | eli_: only based on the people who participate in popcon |
| 23:09.00 | eli_ | okej |
| 23:09.12 | themill | dpkg, popcon is also Statistics are also available via irc, /msg judd popcon $package. |
| 23:09.13 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 23:09.21 | jordanm | nice :) |
| 23:09.30 | abrotman | is that per arch too ? |
| 23:09.45 | eli_ | how would you guys start you serach if you would create your own FTP server ( and lets pretend that you don't know that vsftp is out there and other packages) |
| 23:10.05 | themill | abrotman: not in UDD, no. |
| 23:10.08 | eli_ | would you just search for ftp server in packages.debian.org? |
| 23:10.27 | abrotman | eli_: perhaps aptitude or debtags |
| 23:10.42 | eli_ | !debtags |
| 23:10.42 | dpkg | somebody said debtags was http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 23:10.48 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 23:10.49 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 23:11.10 | jordanm | eli_: I would do a aptitude search ftp, and go from there |
| 23:11.17 | abrotman | ftpd ? |
| 23:11.18 | sweetpi | eli_: maybe i would search for the virtual package ftp-server |
| 23:11.37 | jordanm | eli_: most will be suitable, vstpd is only needed for virtual user table support |
| 23:11.43 | thewanderer1 | how does one search for "provides"? |
| 23:11.47 | BlackFate | eli_, i would google.. "best ftp server linux" |
| 23:12.07 | eli_ | I also did aptitude search ftp and it gave me a heck of a list |
| 23:12.09 | thewanderer1 | BlackFate: and "we didn't start the flamewar" immediately after? |
| 23:12.15 | doudou1 | the site wrotes i need mono 2.6 who do i know what version i have? |
| 23:12.22 | jordanm | thewanderer1: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 23:12.44 | doudou1 | in fact installing experimental is like installing squeeze or any other? there is an iso install for experimental? |
| 23:12.48 | thewanderer1 | thanks, bookmarked |
| 23:12.59 | jordanm | thewanderer1: available in the aptitude-doc-en package also |
| 23:12.59 | thewanderer1 | doudou1: no, go and do your homework |
| 23:13.08 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: oh, ok |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | maybe if you stop answering him, he will do his homework |
| 23:13.18 | doudou1 | i cant do homework, i am too old |
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| 23:13.27 | doudou1 | i am already 65 |
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| 23:13.31 | eli_ | "best linux ftp" hmm? So there is no difference in ftp packages for debian nor other linux distribution |
| 23:13.50 | thewanderer1 | there is - Debian has the most packages :P |
| 23:14.07 | BlackFate | eli_, s/linux/debian/ |
| 23:14.08 | jordanm | !dstats sid |
| 23:14.13 | abrotman | eli_: well, some have debianizations .. but in general they should function the same .. some have additional patches |
| 23:14.39 | themill | thewanderer1: apt-cache showpkg virtualpackagename or /msg judd rprovides virtualpackagename. |
| 23:14.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 30271 packages, 2164 maintainers, 97984 MB installed size, 36715 MB compressed size. |
| 23:14.43 | thewanderer1 | Debian is particularly good to keeping to the upstream |
| 23:15.01 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I was thinking aptitude search ~P |
| 23:15.09 | jordanm | themill: ^ |
| 23:15.38 | thewanderer1 | oh, I've been in the apt-get world for years |
| 23:15.50 | jordanm | !tell thewanderer1 about why aptitude |
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| 23:16.28 | nameless` | !tell nameless` about why aptitude |
| 23:16.37 | thewanderer1 | yes, yes, I've read it, I just have never needed aptitude - I resolve conflicts myself :P |
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| 23:17.40 | eli_ | I was hoping that debian had its own ordered list(or a good search function) for packages, but guess that just google for the topic is good enough! |
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| 23:18.06 | eli_ | thanks for the replies and take good care, Im off to bed! |
| 23:18.20 | jordanm | you do have to be careful with google however, there is plenty of bad/wrong info out there |
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| 23:19.02 | eli_ | yes that why an official debian site with good functionality would be appreciated |
| 23:19.12 | eli_ | but guess that life is hard :D |
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| 23:19.55 | themill | eli_: there's no way anyone can build a search engine that magically divines what your requirements are and rates the 30k packages against each other for you. |
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| 23:20.17 | abrotman | doudou: do not evade the bans |
| 23:21.07 | jpinx-eeepc | eli_: that's what aptitude and dpkg are for |
| 23:22.19 | eli_ | but heyy the popcon site is better then packages.debian.org |
| 23:22.43 | eli_ | at least for the functionality that Im seeking |
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| 23:23.56 | eli_ | one least question what would ftp be listed under (in popcon) |
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| 23:24.13 | moldovean | !ftp must die |
| 23:24.13 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 23:24.28 | themill | eli_: each separate package will be listed on its own. |
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| 23:26.27 | eli_ | thanks goodnight |
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| 23:27.27 | reisio | does squeeze use xfs font server at all? |
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| 23:28.16 | sparr | what tools should I use to search a process' memory space for particular bit/byte patterns? |
| 23:28.33 | abrotman | grep! |
| 23:28.56 | thewanderer1 | sparr: vim and gcc |
| 23:29.06 | thewanderer1 | no, really, that's the only way I know... |
| 23:29.20 | thewanderer1 | (been there, done that, forgotten some...) |
| 23:30.08 | nevyn | how do you specify a bytepattern to grep? |
| 23:30.08 | sparr | abrotman: been there, actually. PITA. was hoping for something with a GUI similar to a hex editor, but pointed at memory instead of a file |
| 23:30.08 | abrotman | it was a joke, i'm sure it would be a very inefficient search method |
| 23:30.12 | thewanderer1 | sparr, use ptrace() |
| 23:30.26 | jordanm | nevyn: I am guessing you hexdump and grep, but I don't think it was meant to be a serious answer |
| 23:30.28 | thewanderer1 | read the interesting memory regions and just loop throgh them |
| 23:30.53 | nevyn | jordanm: that'd work. |
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| 23:31.19 | thewanderer1 | if you want to do it without coding in C, the only way I can think of is: 0. use gdb to stop the program 1. dump all memory to a FILE 2. use a hexeditor. |
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| 23:31.40 | thewanderer1 | then you can use grep, khexedit and anything you like |
| 23:31.43 | jordanm | points out that emacs has hexl-mode |
| 23:32.30 | jordanm | thewanderer1: no! M-x search-forward-regexp! |
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| 23:33.24 | sparr | jordanm: how would you hexdump the memory space of a running process? |
| 23:33.38 | thewanderer1 | sparr, use gdb |
| 23:33.54 | sparr | thewanderer1: how would I trigger a stop with gdb and the program running and catching ctrl+c? |
| 23:33.54 | sweetpi | whats wrong with gdb's find command? |
| 23:34.13 | sparr | sweetpi: I'd like something more visual, and with easier search formatting options |
| 23:34.16 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi: it's not as flexible as working on a file |
| 23:34.32 | thewanderer1 | sparr, enter gdb, type 'help' - that's how I did it anyway |
| 23:34.48 | sparr | ok :) |
| 23:34.50 | sparr | might try that |
| 23:34.58 | thewanderer1 | breaking news - gdb help actually helps users, and it's a feat really :P |
| 23:35.43 | thewanderer1 | you're going to have trouble locating stuff unless you know the data bit-by-bit along with its alignment and signedness, though |
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| 23:36.51 | nameless` | sparr look for the command show |
| 23:37.00 | nameless` | sparr inside gdb interpreter |
| 23:37.16 | nameless` | sparr pretty useful when you begin with gdb |
| 23:37.56 | sparr | thewanderer1: I do know the data bit by bit |
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| 23:39.48 | thewanderer1 | sparr, then you'll find it with some hex editor when you figure out how to dump the memory |
| 23:40.07 | thewanderer1 | (and how to get the memory addresses, that is - that one has always been tricky) |
| 23:44.30 | rubin110 | So I have a thumb drive with some debian installer on it. |
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| 23:44.38 | rubin110 | How can I tell what release its for? |
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| 23:45.41 | thewanderer1 | you can look for text files on it, they should shed some light on it |
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| 23:45.49 | thewanderer1 | sth like a README would be alright |
| 23:45.55 | thewanderer1 | or, you can boot it and check uname -a :P |
| 23:46.21 | thewanderer1 | and /etc/debian_version |
| 23:46.21 | sparr | thewanderer1: in theory, the kernel that the installer is running is not necessarily the kernel that it's going to install |
| 23:46.39 | thewanderer1 | sparr: yes, but it is a good indication |
| 23:46.42 | thibow | fazendo as malas! |
| 23:47.53 | frikinz | Does debian still provide any SOAP web service? |
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| 23:48.49 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: as in what? what do you need this SOAP for? |
| 23:49.22 | frikinz | to test one soap client :) |
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| 23:49.52 | frikinz | and I also remember seeing a message about soap in apt-listbugs |
| 23:49.56 | frikinz | behind a proxy |
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| 23:53.15 | Bop | anyone here have skills of getting streamed videos ? |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | from what? |
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| 23:54.05 | Bop | http://www.bafta.org/access-all-areas/videos/the-2007-david-lean-lecture-given-by-david-lynch,128,BA.html |
| 23:54.08 | Bop | get this video |
| 23:54.23 | abrotman | you could look at a script like youtube-dl |
| 23:54.38 | Bop | well , they'r not the same |
| 23:55.13 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: ISPConfig package has some SOAP, you could test that if you really need to |
| 23:56.12 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: I mean ISPConfig 2 with the remote admin extension, which will install crap on your system - do it on a VM. ISPConfig 3 does not introduce much mess but doesn't come with SOAP... |
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| 23:58.42 | frikinz | thewanderer1: ok |
| 23:59.08 | frikinz | looks nice anyway :) |
| 23:59.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 23:59.29 | thewanderer1 | used it in the past on an OpenSUSE box until the system got cracked via SSH :P |
