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| 00:09.32 | infid | how do you type: <Multi_key> <U2208> <U0338> ? my compose-key is 'right-alt' but i dont know how to type U2208 |
| 00:09.50 | infid | does that mean i have to have that key on my keyboard? i only have a typical US keyboard |
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| 00:10.36 | intx | how do I quit X? |
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| 00:10.59 | intx | i'm using kill right now, but i'm guessing that's not the proper way :) |
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| 00:11.43 | beardy | intx: Depends on your window manager, if you use one. |
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| 00:11.53 | intx | ah, so there's no general way besides kill? |
| 00:11.55 | compaq | !backports |
| 00:11.55 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 00:11.59 | Ambagasdowa | "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" for kdm |
| 00:12.00 | intx | i'm using dwm |
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| 00:12.34 | rking | intx: As soon as your X init script is done, X will go away. So it depends on how you set that stuff up. |
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| 00:12.50 | beardy | intx: Well, it'll run until all windows (things running, clients) have stopped runnung. |
| 00:12.56 | beardy | What rking said. |
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| 00:13.34 | compaq | !backports.org |
| 00:13.34 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 00:14.15 | beardy | intx: The general way to kill off X brutally used to be Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. |
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| 00:14.57 | Angstrom_ | How do I use a DFE530TX (8139 chipset) Ethernet card in debian? |
| 00:15.04 | Angstrom_ | It already detected a VIA Rhine II |
| 00:15.31 | rking | Angstrom_: Have you searched to see if there's a driver for it? |
| 00:15.42 | Angstrom_ | yes, but Windows only from the d-link web page |
| 00:15.54 | intx | thanks |
| 00:15.59 | Angstrom_ | As for Linux, it says it works out of the box, but it doesn't for Debian |
| 00:16.18 | abrotman | Angstrom_: lspci -nn .. what is the xxxx:xxxx at the end ? |
| 00:16.21 | rking | Angstrom_: Have you tried: sudo modprobe 8139too |
| 00:16.36 | rking | abrotman: Is the NIC always last? |
| 00:16.46 | Angstrom_ | I typed that |
| 00:17.17 | abrotman | i didn't say that? |
| 00:17.38 | phogg | intx: kill is better than ctrl+alt+backspace for gracefully killing X. |
| 00:17.46 | rking | abrotman: Oh, I thought that by "at the end" you meant the last line. You just meant for him to find the line with the NIC and look towards the end of that line, right? |
| 00:17.54 | abrotman | the end of each line |
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| 00:20.16 | compaq | I just installed debian-refcard but where can I find it? |
| 00:20.38 | rking | compaq: Try: dpkg -L debian-refcard |
| 00:21.06 | rking | compaq: My guess is that "dpkg -L" is on the card. Sort of a chicken-and-egg problem here. =) |
| 00:21.25 | _hexguy | what's that for? the package i mean |
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| 00:23.08 | compaq | rking, thanks |
| 00:26.09 | lmaowaffle | hi folks any idea why my arrow-pointing-left sign ends up as a capital E with an accent on top? It appears in chromium browwser and firefox |
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| 00:26.36 | rking | lmaowaffle: Where does it appear? |
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| 00:27.30 | rking | lmaowaffle: I don't know, but I think you have an encoding problem. |
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| 00:27.47 | lmaowaffle | why did the encoding problem just appear |
| 00:27.55 | lmaowaffle | well, in chromium, it shows up in the tab |
| 00:28.05 | lmaowaffle | so the web page title (if cut short) has that |
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| 00:28.13 | rking | lmaowaffle: Ahh. |
| 00:28.16 | Escherial | hello...anyone have any suggestions for a really easy-to-setup smtp server for debian lenny? i just need it for testing rapidsms |
| 00:28.19 | rking | lmaowaffle: You're not talking about page content? |
| 00:28.25 | lmaowaffle | nope |
| 00:28.43 | lmaowaffle | page content looks fine |
| 00:28.45 | Escherial | i was considering just using a gmail account...perhaps that's a better idea, seeing as how no other server is probably going to relay my mail |
| 00:28.45 | beardy | The title is part of the content. |
| 00:29.06 | rking | Escherial: I would just try one of these: apt-cache search smtp | grep -i simple |
| 00:29.11 | intx | Escherial: i thought postfix was easy to setup, but someone else used it and said it was hard |
| 00:29.35 | intx | but then i was coming from qmail |
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| 00:30.07 | Escherial | hmm, postfix might be good. i gave it a fifteen-minute once-over, got stuck on figuring out how to turn on encryption, and gave up |
| 00:30.09 | asdf | how do i tell deb to not use gem1.2.0 ? |
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| 00:30.14 | rking | Escherial: My mistake, the only one that matches that way is ssmtp |
| 00:30.16 | Escherial | er, not encryption, authentication |
| 00:30.18 | asdf | this symlunj stuff is annoying |
| 00:30.28 | Escherial | rking: not at all, thank you for the suggestion :) |
| 00:30.38 | compaq | Is there a new version of firefox in backports? I didn't see one |
| 00:30.42 | beardy | lmaowaffle: But, I suppose the other content gets displayed correctly, and the title, in tabs, go through the system's locale and gets mangled if mismatching. |
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| 00:31.03 | streuner | judd, versions firefox |
| 00:31.04 | judd | firefox -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 |
| 00:31.22 | beardy | lmaowaffle: Inside the browser it handles it itself. What locale is the page in then? |
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| 00:31.42 | compaq | I see iceweasel, I hopes its faster now |
| 00:31.52 | streuner | compaq: look at packages.debian.org , there should listed available versions of firefox |
| 00:32.08 | streuner | compaq: s/firefox/iceweasel/ |
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| 00:32.22 | compaq | streuner, thanks |
| 00:32.29 | rking | lmaowaffle: I think that would be a font issue. Again, I'm not sure. Getting characters to display right is a challenge until you get it. |
| 00:32.43 | Escherial | meh, i just ended up going with a gmail account; i think that'll be fine |
| 00:32.44 | streuner | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 00:32.45 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
| 00:32.57 | streuner | compaq: ^^^ |
| 00:33.07 | Arrowmaster | doubtful its a font issue since if the font doesnt have it then the glyph should be pulled from a font that does have it |
| 00:33.42 | compaq | streuner, much newer |
| 00:33.45 | beardy | Should and would are very different. That's not how it works. |
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| 00:35.22 | rking | lmaowaffle: Why would you expect an arrow-pointing-left in that situation? In my google-chrome it just does ellipses if it runs out of room in a title. |
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| 00:40.19 | phorce1 | abrotman: I've been poking around the Wiki now that I'm here in the office and it looks like madwifi supports that PCI wireless G card that I have in the box at home. Now I just need to try to get all the pieces together with apt-zip without having to run to the house 3 or 4 times. |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | boo |
| 00:41.03 | lmaowaffle | rking: it's weird |
| 00:41.07 | phorce1 | I still may just burn a squeeze CD and go that way |
| 00:41.16 | lmaowaffle | for www.debian.org, it gets snipped and replaced by elipses |
| 00:41.18 | lmaowaffle | and looks fine |
| 00:41.29 | rking | lmaowaffle: Screenshot? |
| 00:41.29 | lmaowaffle | but for other sites, the description gives that encoding error |
| 00:42.21 | lmaowaffle | one tick |
| 00:44.23 | lmaowaffle | rking: http://omploader.org/vNHpnYQ |
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| 00:44.51 | rking | lmaowaffle: What version of chrome? |
| 00:45.06 | lmaowaffle | rking: 5.0.375.99 (51029) Built on Debian unstable, running on Debian squeeze/sid |
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| 00:46.39 | rking | lmaowaffle: Assuming you use Gnome, if you go to System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts, does it show Sans, Sans, Sans, Sans Bold, Monospace ? |
| 00:46.54 | lmaowaffle | not using gnome, no |
| 00:46.56 | rking | lmaowaffle: btw i'm using the exact same version |
| 00:47.32 | lmaowaffle | gtk-font-name="Frutiger LT 45 Light, 9" |
| 00:47.55 | rking | lmaowaffle: Where'd you get that from? |
| 00:47.57 | rking | (that info) |
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| 00:49.14 | lmaowaffle | my .gtkrc |
| 00:49.25 | lmaowaffle | i'm not even sure that's used by chrome |
| 00:49.43 | rking | lmaowaffle: I'm not sure, either. Can you try changing that to something normal-ish and see what happens? |
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| 00:50.04 | lmaowaffle | i can omit it, and let it use whatever's default |
| 00:50.36 | rking | lmaowaffle: Yep |
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| 00:51.04 | lmaowaffle | hm, that does fix it |
| 00:51.14 | rking | Arrowmaster: =P |
| 00:51.19 | Waxhead1 | Does Debian include bugfixes from newer kernels in the 2.6.32 kernel? for example btrfs bugfixes or other bugfixes ? |
| 00:51.21 | lmaowaffle | wth? so ellipse is not supported by my font? |
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| 00:53.43 | rking | lmaowaffle: I'm installing fontforge and am going to inspect that font vs. another. |
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| 00:55.00 | lmaowaffle | do you have access to that font? |
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| 00:55.39 | rking | lmaowaffle: I found it on the web. |
| 00:55.49 | lmaowaffle | okay |
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| 00:56.49 | rking | lmaowaffle: It seems to have the right character at 0x2026, which is Unicode's Ellipses. |
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| 00:58.00 | lmaowaffle | so maybe it's just chrome? |
| 00:58.24 | lmaowaffle | the ellipses turn out fine with the font enabled in firefox tabs |
| 00:58.56 | rking | lmaowaffle: OK, here's a weird thing. When I scroll through that font, I find the E with ' at 0xc9, which, incidentally, "0xC9 is ellipses in MacRoman" (according to http://lists.apple.com/archives/cocoa-dev/2004/Feb/msg00166.html ) |
| 00:59.43 | rking | lmaowaffle: I bet that's it. Somehow your display is trying to use the mac ellipses and coming up with that. I don't know why. |
| 01:00.25 | lmaowaffle | it wouldn't make a difference if i changed font encoding (in chrome options) to UTF-8, right? |
| 01:00.36 | lmaowaffle | from the Western.. one that's set by default? |
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| 01:00.42 | lmaowaffle | - well, it didn't :) |
| 01:00.48 | rking | lmaowaffle: That's just for the page. |
| 01:02.10 | compaq | firebug doesn't run on the latest firefox, if 3.5 isn't much faster than 3.0 it wouldn't be worth the upgrade |
| 01:02.38 | lmaowaffle | compaq: not the stable versions anyway |
| 01:02.45 | lmaowaffle | the dev versions work okay here |
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| 01:04.26 | compaq | lmaowaffle, hmm, I will live without it for now |
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| 01:05.32 | Led_Zeppelin | hello anyone here using PTP? the alternative to NTP? |
| 01:07.00 | abrotman | to keep your time? |
| 01:07.00 | lmaowaffle | rking: thanks for your time though |
| 01:07.06 | lmaowaffle | at least now i know what i'm dealing with |
| 01:07.19 | lmaowaffle | bbl |
| 01:09.32 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, yes. To keep time sybced, |
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| 01:10.03 | abrotman | only knows of NTP and Chrony |
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| 01:22.40 | limpio | hi, i'm using lenny, the key alt-gr is not working in my spanish kbd. In 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg there is a kbd section where i should include the option but i don't know how to include it. I've tried 'alt-gr', 'alt:gr' but it's not correct, does anybody know what i should enter? thanks |
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| 01:25.50 | Magui | hello, all. I did a safe-upgrade last Friday, and I'm having some trouble with kde now. mostly looks and runs normally, except that any mouse-click takes a long time to produce a response (like clicking on a button, or clicking on a menu item). this only affects GUI apps. at the command-line, everything runs fine. I am hoping someone else in here has run into this, and is aware of a quick way to fix this. I thought I had found a fix a |
| 01:25.50 | Magui | t forums.debian.net but it hasn't changed anything. |
| 01:26.06 | Magui | I'll re-type that last sentence. |
| 01:26.23 | Magui | I thought I had found a fix at forums.debian.net but it hasn't changed anything. |
| 01:26.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Magui: you can change to .es while running X - as I do |
| 01:26.54 | Magui | change to .es ? sorry...I have no idea what that means. |
| 01:27.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Magui: I do "setxkbmap -layout us,es -option grp:shift_toggle" |
| 01:27.45 | jpinx-eeepc | and then I can pop between .es and .us kbd layouts as I need |
| 01:28.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Magui: sorry - that was for limpio |
| 01:29.16 | jhutchins_lt | Magui: What does uname -r show? |
| 01:29.35 | Magui | so, here's some information about my set-up. the affected computer is a laptop running debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, kde version 4.4.4. I should add that I believe I have been running kde 4.4.4 for at least two weeks now (I think!), but this problem only started up on Friday. I know a few kde packages were in that upgrade I did. unfortunately, I didn't write them down, or anything. |
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| 01:29.54 | Magui | jhutchins_lt: sure, hang on. |
| 01:30.07 | jhutchins_lt | Got it, 2.6.32-5 |
| 01:30.14 | Magui | yeah. |
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| 01:30.40 | Magui | I'm not chatting from the laptop, so copy-paste is gonna be a bit tricky:). |
| 01:30.49 | Magui | but I have it right here next to me. |
| 01:30.53 | seeker7 | use to be gcc was the c plus plus compiler in a unix atmosphere what is it in lenny |
| 01:31.09 | dvs | g++ |
| 01:31.24 | jhutchins_lt | Frankly, with testing and kde4, you're pretty much into "that's what I would expect", but you can look at top and other process tools to see what's eating the CPU. |
| 01:32.19 | Magui | jhutchins_lt, that's the odd thing. no trouble with cpu usage. while I'm waiting for a window to respond to something I did with the mouse, cpu usage is less than 10%, on both cores. |
| 01:32.31 | jhutchins_lt | swap? RAM? |
| 01:32.32 | Magui | that's typical cpu usage, I mean. |
| 01:32.36 | seeker7 | dvs: I get command not found |
| 01:32.48 | Magui | well, I just finished rebooting a few minutes ago (again). |
| 01:33.41 | Magui | jhutchins_lt, swap shows 0 B usage...ram shows 391 MB out of 2.95 GB usage |
| 01:34.02 | Magui | let me make sure it's still acting up...i just logged into the desktop again. |
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| 01:34.40 | Magui | yeah, it's still doing it. |
| 01:34.59 | seeker7 | dvs: is g++ a package that has to be installed? |
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| 01:35.11 | dvs | seeker7: yup |
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| 01:35.39 | seeker7 | dvs: so what is the exact package name |
| 01:35.44 | Magui | I just tried launching "System Settings"...the window launches at normal speed, but the icons inside take a long time to show up. |
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| 01:35.58 | dvs | seeker7: g++ |
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| 01:37.01 | Magui | ram still shows less than 500 MB usage |
| 01:37.22 | seeker7 | dvs: thanks |
| 01:37.30 | dvs | np |
| 01:37.35 | Magui | cpu usage had gone to 20% briefly on one of the cores, but now back to about 7% |
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| 01:39.49 | limpio | jpinx-eeepc, i already have 'es' and 'pc 105' in the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' :( |
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| 01:47.03 | pfred1 | Hi I am running Debian Lenny what do I need to install to mount and read my USB digital camera? |
| 01:47.23 | abrotman | pfred1: are you using gnome or kde ? |
| 01:47.30 | pfred1 | abrotman either |
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| 01:47.40 | pfred1 | abrotman in gnome now tought it'd help |
| 01:47.45 | abrotman | well, in gnome, if you have enough installed, it will just mount it |
| 01:47.47 | NotEther | this where imma be getting help when I install squeeze? |
| 01:48.07 | pfred1 | abrotman ah yes thats why I'm here apaprently I don't have the right package installed |
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| 01:49.07 | abrotman | pfred1: well, if you don't care about the extra sttuff, `aptitude install gnome' |
| 01:49.21 | pfred1 | abrotman I'm in gnome now |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | that's okay |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | you may not have it all .. just try the command |
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| 01:50.01 | abrotman | or all the extra luxury items |
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| 01:51.17 | pfred1 | abrotman 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | pfred1: when i plug my camera in, it just tries to get the pictures |
| 01:51.41 | pfred1 | abrotman I think Imma gonna go for a no on that note |
| 01:51.47 | NotEther | if I have ubuntu-netbook installed already, on top of a dual boot win7, should I restore win7 MBR first or can I install on top of ubuntu? |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | is the camera pretty new ? |
| 01:51.56 | abrotman | NotEther: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:52.00 | pfred1 | abrotman it worked just fine in ubuntu |
| 01:52.07 | NotEther | I did they said depended on is distro used grub |
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| 01:52.20 | NotEther | errr I asked #linux, ill ask #ubuntu |
| 01:52.21 | pfred1 | abrotman just like you describe in fact soon as i turned it on a photo app would mount it |
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| 01:52.47 | abrotman | pfred1: in my case, i think it's nautilus using gnome-vfs |
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| 01:54.34 | pfred1 | Ok anyone know how I could manually mount my camera? |
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| 01:55.13 | abrotman | you give it a mount point .. mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /media/camera .. or something like that |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | /dev/sdb1 and /media/camera should be adjusted for your system |
| 01:55.34 | abrotman | you sohuld also check 'dmesg' to see what it is called when you plug it in |
| 01:57.22 | pfred1 | yes its in dmesg but I guess I'll paste it to pastebin |
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| 01:58.57 | pfred1 | OK this is what dmesg says when I plug my camera in http://pastebin.com/GT94FbYv how do I mount it? |
| 01:59.34 | abrotman | is there more than that ? |
| 01:59.54 | pfred1 | abrotman fraid not |
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| 02:00.16 | Texou | !tell Texou testing |
| 02:00.22 | pfred1 | abrotman only when I turn it off it says it is disconnected |
| 02:00.38 | pfred1 | I'm missing something here |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | pfred1: is the camera pretty new ? |
| 02:00.59 | pfred1 | right now its the ability to get pictures off my camera |
| 02:01.12 | pfred1 | abrotman let me say it again it worked lawlwss in Ubuntu |
| 02:01.16 | pfred1 | flawless even |
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| 02:01.27 | abrotman | i realize that .. but ubuntu probably used anewer kernel .. so let's try that |
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| 02:01.32 | abrotman | !tell pfred1 about bpo |
| 02:01.34 | pfred1 | abrotman so I don't think its the camera OK? |
| 02:01.40 | abrotman | pfred1: i didn't say it was :) |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | pfred1: so at backports.org, there is an Instructions page .. follow those quickly, and then i'll help you install a newer kernel |
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| 02:02.50 | pfred1 | can ubuntu like read a USB stick? wait a sec let me grab one because if it can I'll grab these pictures on an XP laptop to a USB stick then get them that way |
| 02:02.54 | pfred1 | I mean Debian |
| 02:03.01 | pfred1 | now I'm getting frazzled over here |
| 02:03.22 | pfred1 | bbiab |
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| 02:07.45 | pfred1 | OK new question why can't I mount any USB storage device in Lenny? |
| 02:08.02 | pfred1 | my USB stick isn't mounting either! |
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| 02:09.17 | simonrvn | got caught |
| 02:11.35 | rfranknj | anyone in here know of a workspace switch notification sorta thing like mac osx shows when you switch spaces? |
| 02:12.02 | rfranknj | i'm looking for a pager like app that'll just raise whenever i switch windows and then relower again after the switch |
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| 02:17.29 | macrobat | rfranknj: openbox or pekwm |
| 02:18.26 | simonrvn | ,info pekwm |
| 02:18.27 | judd | pekwm (x11, optional): Fast & Light WindowManager. Version: 0.1.5-1.4; Size: 304.3k; Installed: 900k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pekwm |
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| 02:19.20 | rfranknj | macrobat: i'm using fluxbox |
| 02:19.32 | rfranknj | do i have to use ne of those |
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| 02:19.55 | pfred1 | OK I think I've narrowed down what is the matter over here does anyone know how I can fix fuse-utils not being able to configure? |
| 02:20.11 | hayleyw | hey...need some sed help please. converting a txt file into csv. it's filled with addresses, always three lines each, so i need to combine every three lines together separated by a comma. any help please? :) |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | pfred1: you don't need fuse |
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| 02:20.31 | pfred1 | abrotman gphoto seems to think I do |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | pfred1: aptitude -f install .. is there an error ? |
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| 02:21.12 | pfred1 | abrotman oh there have been errors now ever since i tried to install gphotofs |
| 02:21.36 | pfred1 | abrotman it keeps hitting this not being able to configure fuse and just dies |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | yes .. can we see the error ? |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 02:22.01 | pfred1 | sure let me pastebin a couple of them |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | though i still say a newer kernel might help quite a bit |
| 02:23.13 | pfred1 | http://pastebin.com/TRY1L75h |
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| 02:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions liblualib50 |
| 02:24.37 | judd | liblualib50 -- etch: 5.0.3-2; lenny: 5.0.3-3; sid: 5.0.3-4; squeeze: 5.0.3-4 |
| 02:24.57 | pfred1 | my money is on this fuse-utils being borked |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman | pfred1: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/fuse-utils.postinst .. edit out that reload line |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | comment out |
| 02:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, ^^^^ |
| 02:26.22 | pfred1 | abrotman this line? " echo "postinst called with unknown argument \`$1'" >&2" |
| 02:26.47 | abrotman | no .. in that file .. there should be a invoke-rc.d reload or something like that .. look around for it a bit |
| 02:28.00 | pfred1 | abrotman there is one ugly comment about this whole deal being a sad hack |
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| 02:28.37 | abrotman | pfred1: i agree .. it shouldn't have happened |
| 02:28.41 | pfred1 | abrotman can I just load the module it is looking for or something? |
| 02:28.59 | pfred1 | this is pathetic |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | i'd just comment it out .. it should then configure correctly |
| 02:29.20 | pfred1 | this line? update-rc.d fuse start 34 S . stop 41 0 6 . >/dev/null |
| 02:30.08 | abrotman | there should be a line that has a 'reload' on it |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | bleh .. let me look |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | sure .. that line .. let's try it |
| 02:30.57 | pfred1 | ah right under that terrible comment "[ ! -f /etc/init.d/udev ] || invoke-rc.d udev reload" |
| 02:31.25 | pfred1 | though the comment claims this line is mightly important |
| 02:31.50 | pfred1 | skip it I'd piss on a spark plug right about now if i thought it'd help any |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | yeah, udev is failing to restart |
| 02:32.40 | pfred1 | then like apt-get upgrade ? |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | you should be using aptitude .. and in this case `aptitude -f install` |
| 02:34.14 | pfred1 | hey it seems to have helped some udev active, skipping device node creation. then it says Setting up gphotofs (0.3-1) ... |
| 02:34.56 | pfred1 | let me go get my camera again and see what happens now |
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| 02:39.13 | pfred1 | oh well no digital camera for this PC i guess |
| 02:39.20 | NeoLobster | Hi... I have a question about GRUB and RAID 1. So I had a disk fail in a RAID 1 array. The end result is I want to replace both disks. I put a disk in to replace the failed one, rebuilt the array, then turned it off, replaced the "primary" disk (/dev/sda), it didn't boot. |
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| 02:39.33 | NeoLobster | So I put the thing back in the original configuration and ran grub-install /dev/sdb (the second disk) |
| 02:39.50 | NeoLobster | and put it back in the final configuration and all i see is "GRUB" in the upper left corner, and it doesn't go beyond that. |
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| 02:40.09 | NeoLobster | Is there something else I need to do to the second disk to make it bootable as the primary disk? |
| 02:40.29 | NeoLobster | (the entire system is on RAID 1, 3 partitions, mdadm for raid) |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | pfregrrrrrrrrrr |
| 02:40.34 | NeoLobster | er... md |
| 02:41.12 | moldovean | NeoLobster, ask next root #grub |
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| 02:42.11 | HazardX | so, does anyone have any idea how I could update udev on a net-booted machine? since installing udev requires restarting udev, which causes the net-root file system to dissipear...and...badness? |
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| 02:49.05 | pfred1 | boy this Linux is getting more and more like Windows everyday now i have to reboot in order to fix problems |
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| 02:51.31 | abrotman | pfred1: does it work now? |
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| 02:52.10 | pfred1 | abrotman yeah after I rebooted |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | pfred1: i blame udev :) |
| 02:52.29 | pfred1 | abrotman I blame the downturn in the economy |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | caused by udev! |
| 02:53.16 | pfred1 | abrotman for whatever reason udev was locked or screwed up somehow but rebooting cleared it out |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | not surprised |
| 02:53.59 | pfred1 | abrotman I am 14 years running Linux rebooting was never the answer |
| 02:54.06 | pfred1 | but it was this time! |
| 02:54.19 | zebradog | pfred1, bs |
| 02:54.34 | zebradog | pfred1, you a newbie |
| 02:54.50 | pfred1 | zebradog I have a thunderstorm coming up anyways so I'm going to be shutting down uptime means nothing to me |
| 02:54.53 | dondelelcaro | well, there are ways of fixing udev without rebooting, but it can sometimes be simpler |
| 02:55.25 | HazardX | *** I can't restart after updating udev. |
| 02:55.25 | zebradog | pfred1, get an apc ups.. here in quebec power gets knocked the f out when storms hit |
| 02:55.36 | pfred1 | zebradog I made 105 days a few times but some hardware would always let go in one of my boxes |
| 02:55.39 | HazardX | since the act of installing/updating udev causes to me to loose root. |
| 02:56.02 | zebradog | pfred1, interesting |
| 02:56.28 | pfred1 | zebradog yeah 105 seemed like the hump with systems don't ask me why 106 110 somewhere around there I'd always have to shut down |
| 02:56.29 | zebradog | pfred1, i use an nslu2 little box.. the dam thing only goes off when the power goes out completely.. which means about once a year.. |
| 02:56.44 | zebradog | uses an nslu2 as a dns forwarder |
| 02:56.59 | pfred1 | zebradog mostly I can recally junky CPU fans burning out |
| 02:57.21 | pfred1 | evne if you get the "good" ones sometimes they just don't last |
| 02:57.23 | zebradog | pfred1, sounds like you familiar with at least a thing or two.. you have any recommends small arm linux devices for a squid box? |
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| 02:58.04 | pfred1 | zebradog nah i run trash bin desktops anymore |
| 02:58.11 | zebradog | pfred1, that's why i like those little arm boxes.. they seem to generate less heat.. |
| 02:58.30 | zebradog | pfred1, what's this 105 days systems? |
| 02:58.38 | pfred1 | zebradog I see a poor discarded computer on the side of the road i have to bring it home and fix it up |
| 02:58.52 | zebradog | pfred1, ah.. that's being a smart bum then :) |
| 02:59.04 | zebradog | pfred1, i once picked up old green monochromes.. |
| 02:59.12 | pfred1 | this machine is mostly trashbin parts |
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| 02:59.35 | pfred1 | cept for an old video card I had laying around and 2 HDDs and teh DVD burner the rest is junk |
| 02:59.37 | zebradog | pfred1, just auction off them.. refine them, put linux on them and voila |
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| 03:00.10 | pfred1 | nah I only have like 3 machines right now and I need the other ones for backup on another project |
| 03:00.12 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: uh... restarting udev shouldn't cause you to do that. If it does, you've got something else wrong |
| 03:00.29 | zebradog | pfred1, i'm still awaiting any day now.. getting a dns-312 backup nas |
| 03:00.31 | pfred1 | zebradog I have one desktop and 2 for my CNC project |
| 03:00.38 | zebradog | ,/321 |
| 03:00.52 | zebradog | pfred1, cnc machinery? wtf? |
| 03:01.03 | zebradog | pfred1, you making engine gears or what? |
| 03:01.27 | zebradog | there are home kits for that ;-) |
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| 03:01.43 | pfred1 | zebradog not yet still making the machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbeyNNBZ68 |
| 03:01.51 | zebradog | pfred1, (what i mean is -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnc ) |
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| 03:02.18 | pfred1 | zebradog that is running on Linux |
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| 03:02.28 | zebradog | pfred1, that's good, there's also these diy guys who post on how to make your own plastic printing machine.. they sell it |
| 03:02.38 | pfred1 | zebradog reprap |
| 03:03.04 | pfred1 | zebradog I want a negative wood printer |
| 03:03.29 | pfred1 | better known as a CNC router |
| 03:03.42 | zebradog | pfred1, i want to be able to make metal gears.. i believe you need to acquire some registration for such machinery.. heck one can make home bullets.. it's pretty scary |
| 03:03.56 | pfred1 | zebradog nah you just need a 4 axis mill |
| 03:04.08 | pfred1 | a 4 axis mill can do gears |
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| 03:04.32 | zebradog | pfred1, is that your video or what?/ |
| 03:04.43 | pfred1 | zebradog yes that is one of the motor drivers i made |
| 03:05.05 | pfred1 | I couldn't get this exact nick with youtube |
| 03:05.13 | zebradog | pfred1, lots of valuable equipment.. wish i had an oscilloscope |
| 03:05.39 | pfred1 | zebradog yeah doing electronics without one is sort of like trying to play rubiks cube blindfolded |
| 03:05.53 | HazardX | dondelelcaro, sorry, I stepped out-- Restarting (or at least part of the process of installing udev) causes my system to loose its root device (IE, the network card goes down) |
| 03:05.55 | pfred1 | not as much fun to say the least |
| 03:06.17 | pfred1 | zebradog I design the circuits in Linux too |
| 03:06.33 | pfred1 | HazardX not udev! |
| 03:06.34 | zebradog | pfred1, if you're an enthusiast of engineering poopicles.. heck you can use an oscilloscope for just about anything.. even check what's wrong under the hood of a car engine |
| 03:06.45 | pfred1 | HazardX I just had ot reboot because of udev here |
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| 03:07.18 | zebradog | pfred1, the udev version has to be compat with the kernel.. |
| 03:07.32 | pfred1 | zebradog remember your #1 piece of test gear is always right between your ears |
| 03:07.53 | HazardX | my case is a little different though, I have no qualms about rebooting, the problem is that if I install udev at all, it fails mid-update and makes the netboot image unbootable. |
| 03:08.24 | zebradog | pfred1, if you wanna extend your oscilloscope for the car example, i was infering that you can use pressure gauge sensor.. i'm sure there's all kinds of cool extensions |
| 03:08.24 | HazardX | and I can't update udev in a chroot of the machine's netboot folder, becasue it fails as it can't access the real hardware (or does something equally strange) |
| 03:08.33 | pfred1 | HazardX well you said the magic word today which is udev |
| 03:09.14 | zebradog | HazardX, arent' you suppose to use safe-upgrade option or dist-upgrade?/ |
| 03:09.28 | pfred1 | now that i have my pictures on my hot little hard drive i have to post them to a yahoo group I belong to |
| 03:09.36 | zebradog | pfred1, if you design circuits then how come you said nothing about arm? |
| 03:09.47 | zebradog | pfred1, isn't arm an easy platform to work on? |
| 03:09.53 | pfred1 | zebradog because i don't do microcontrollers? |
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| 03:10.01 | HazardX | don't do microcontrollers? |
| 03:10.03 | HazardX | FPGAs? |
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| 03:10.09 | HazardX | PLDS? |
| 03:10.10 | pfred1 | zebradog I do everything in plain SSI TTL |
| 03:10.12 | HazardX | CPLDs? |
| 03:10.19 | HazardX | Ahh fun. |
| 03:10.45 | pfred1 | HazardX KISS Keep It Simple Silly |
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| 03:11.41 | HazardX | But simple can be so boring an inelegant. |
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| 03:12.05 | zebradog | pfred1, are you able to change Sos'? i'd really like to hack this ncomputing l230 i have.. |
| 03:12.06 | HazardX | when complicated can be so involved, pain, and then eventual coma inducing! |
| 03:12.18 | zebradog | (actually Soc, system on chip) |
| 03:12.43 | zebradog | HazardX, you work with fpga ? |
| 03:13.07 | HazardX | yes |
| 03:13.12 | zebradog | needs to steal pfred1's oscilloscope |
| 03:13.20 | zebradog | you people are rich |
| 03:13.22 | zebradog | lol |
| 03:13.52 | HazardX | Xilinx Spartan 3Es, virtex2s, and some of another version of a small high-speed Xilinx chip I don't recall the series name for. |
| 03:13.54 | pfred1 | zebradog its all in whats important to you and what you invest in |
| 03:13.55 | zebradog | well, i'm not tottaly destitue.. but that sure is some investment there.. |
| 03:14.16 | pfred1 | zebradog you can get a scope like I have today for about $300 |
| 03:14.46 | zebradog | pfred1, pff.. plus the shipping to here would be like 50 bucks minimum.. |
| 03:14.52 | HazardX | I have a 4channel tektronix TDS 2014B |
| 03:15.22 | pfred1 | HazardX I have a tek 2336 |
| 03:15.24 | zebradog | pfred1, i wish futureactive can spare us islanders the shipping costs.. the bastards hq's work right here on montreal.. |
| 03:15.43 | HazardX | Aww, your number is bigger than mine :D |
| 03:16.01 | pfred1 | HazardX whats really sexy about my scope is I have the Y option :) |
| 03:16.13 | pfred1 | which I actually use quite often |
| 03:16.18 | HazardX | oooo I have no idea what tha means... |
| 03:16.20 | zebradog | pfred1, hell they tell me the shipping costs are due to transport from memphis.. so where do you get your electronic components shit? there's like no other than futureactive to me.. heck.. (last time i paid for 3 bucks of capacitors, shipping was 8 bucks) |
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| 03:16.55 | pfred1 | zebradog I get a lot of parts off this company in the far east and shipping wiht them is dirt cheap |
| 03:17.07 | HazardX | that's why you don't order things until you've got a laundry list of at least $100 worth of stuff (at least that's my rule anyway) |
| 03:17.21 | zebradog | pfred1, what company is that? you mean same-(factive?_ |
| 03:17.29 | zebradog | ,/futureactive.*) |
| 03:17.43 | pfred1 | zebradog I think its called futurlec |
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| 03:17.54 | zebradog | HazardX, that's nuts.. but for amateur stuff.. it would be nice to have basically no shipping costs.. |
| 03:18.02 | HazardX | Yes it would. |
| 03:18.15 | HazardX | Especially when I only need 1 of something cheap. |
| 03:18.32 | zebradog | pfred1, thanks.. |
| 03:18.37 | pfred1 | HazardX with electronics never buy just one what if you burn it out? |
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| 03:19.08 | pfred1 | here's the power of SSI TTL http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/646/hsoptos.png |
| 03:19.47 | zebradog | pfred1, you use linux software for that? |
| 03:19.57 | HazardX | that looks like eagle |
| 03:19.58 | pfred1 | zebradog cadsoft's Eagle |
| 03:20.05 | pfred1 | HazardX yes it is |
| 03:20.16 | HazardX | what's a SLA7026M? |
| 03:20.30 | pfred1 | I tried some GNU stuff like kicad and the other one neither worked for me |
| 03:20.51 | zebradog | pfred1, what about simulation? |
| 03:21.06 | pfred1 | zebradog I don't do it |
| 03:21.09 | zebradog | pfred1, maybe you're too smart for that heh. lol |
| 03:21.38 | zebradog | pfred1, for simple circuits it's ok i guess.. what if you make a mistake.. and poof* |
| 03:21.40 | pfred1 | I breadboard a circuit then when I have what I want I design the board |
| 03:21.58 | pfred1 | simulation can't tell me all I want ot know I din't think |
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| 03:22.56 | pfred1 | zebradog like when i had two of these circuits running together how one would interfere with the other one |
| 03:23.10 | pfred1 | zebradog which is why I put the optocouplers in there |
| 03:23.25 | zebradog | pfred1, optocouplers, you mean like ccd ? |
| 03:23.43 | zebradog | pfred1, anything with opto in it must be $$ |
| 03:23.59 | pfred1 | zebradog like emitters and detectors |
| 03:24.07 | pfred1 | nah they're like a quarter a piece |
| 03:24.27 | pfred1 | circuit don't work without htem |
| 03:24.45 | zebradog | pfred1, some dudes made a 3d-scanner with the help of a meat scanner.. pretty neta.. |
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| 03:25.16 | pfred1 | zebradog usually people use turntables and lasers to make homemade 3D scanners |
| 03:25.45 | zebradog | pfred1, it's good to do indie prototyping < does this make any sense? it's like a practice for a guild and base of many sorts |
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| 03:26.56 | zebradog | pfred1, my software is there, all i have to do is understand some further basics.. i hate learning from the wrong sources.. its much easier now with the wikipedia and free univ lectures online |
| 03:27.35 | zebradog | pfred1, but there's no univ courses for doing your own indie prototyping.. otherwise all kinds of new apple corps would be popping everywhere |
| 03:27.38 | pfred1 | zebradog I can't program |
| 03:27.57 | zebradog | pfred1, on asm obviously you're able to.. |
| 03:28.10 | zebradog | pfred1, nmind that.. |
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| 03:28.35 | pfred1 | zebradog well I have done assembly programming but not in a long time |
| 03:28.49 | zebradog | pfred1, meant to say i have more software experience than understanding how to design logic circuit.. i've nick picked reading about 'addends' etc etc.. but not really dwelved into it |
| 03:28.50 | pfred1 | zebradog and it is the only programming that makes any sense to mee |
| 03:29.20 | zebradog | pfred1, so you're saying you build analog circuits, not digital ones |
| 03:29.37 | pfred1 | zebradog I make both |
| 03:29.58 | zebradog | pfred1, well that would make sense.. i see some transistors there |
| 03:30.07 | zebradog | pfred1, transistors imply some sort of logic elements.. |
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| 03:30.20 | zebradog | pfred1, i know they not vaccumm tubes :) |
| 03:30.27 | pfred1 | zebradog treansistors are current amplifiers they do OK analog |
| 03:30.46 | zebradog | pfred1, yep that too.. |
| 03:30.51 | zebradog | pfred1, see i know some basics.. |
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| 03:31.18 | zebradog | pfred1, also digital circuits.. they are used as amplifiers as well.. |
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| 03:31.28 | pfred1 | zebradog http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2244/pict0579s.jpg |
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| 03:32.01 | MeglaW | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.02 | pfred1 | zebradog try to pack that in your carry on on a flight and see how quickly they shut the airport down |
| 03:32.16 | pfred1 | MeglaW it works fine |
| 03:32.33 | pfred1 | MeglaW it is actually rather neat for what it is thank you very much |
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| 03:32.39 | zebradog | pfred1, almost looks like a country hydro generator.. |
| 03:33.04 | zebradog | pfred1, all that farahds looks suspicious.. |
| 03:33.21 | zebradog | pfred1, you can make a bomb from just a big battery itself.. |
| 03:33.29 | zebradog | pfred1, just short the battery... |
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| 03:33.48 | pfred1 | zebradog wouldn't do it for me |
| 03:33.50 | zebradog | pfred1, i've worked with big batteries.. not handled or shorted they can be disastrous |
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| 03:34.54 | zebradog | pfred1, what's that picture supposed to represent? |
| 03:34.56 | pfred1 | zebradog i live in farm country we get ammoninum nitrate by the tractor trailer load around here |
| 03:35.06 | pickcoder | meh.. reverse polarity on an electrolytic, crank the amps and watch it pop |
| 03:35.20 | zebradog | pfred1, serious? |
| 03:35.32 | pfred1 | zebradog its a lot of power http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6414/pict0576h.jpg |
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| 03:35.49 | pfred1 | zebradog its pushing 100 watts there and not even warming up |
| 03:35.53 | pickcoder | anyhoo.. it's all OT |
| 03:35.55 | zebradog | pfred1, lol |
| 03:36.29 | pfred1 | zebradog its a voltage and current adjustable power supply |
| 03:36.50 | zebradog | pfred1, better off in the country, anything that goes wrong, you can always cover it up with some tractor work.. |
| 03:36.52 | zebradog | lol |
| 03:37.10 | zebradog | pfred1, where you getting the power from? |
| 03:37.16 | zebradog | pfred1, from the near river? |
| 03:37.28 | zebradog | you can use free energy hahahaha |
| 03:37.30 | pfred1 | zebradog from the nearer wall outlet |
| 03:37.55 | zebradog | pfred1, nah.. make your own hydro coupling line.. there are dudes showing how to do it.. |
| 03:39.33 | zebradog | pfred1, basically i don't know if that's illegal in the country.. hence it's nature afterall |
| 03:40.03 | zebradog | pfred1, may be enough power to turn on several bulbs or what.. |
| 03:40.18 | pfred1 | zebradog windmills seem to be the big thing here |
| 03:40.20 | zebradog | but i'm going off track here.. you know your stuff and that's good |
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| 03:42.21 | zebradog | pfred1, windmills.. now that's free energy.. |
| 03:43.28 | zebradog | pfred1, a dude from africa on ted.com, created his own wind energy turbine.. inspired the whole village.. it was cool to watch hehehe |
| 03:43.34 | pfred1 | zebradog no it isn't no one hands out windmills |
| 03:44.18 | nsadmin | I'll trade this windmill for one of your cows! |
| 03:44.36 | zebradog | pfred1, so you make all your power-capacitor balancing yourself |
| 03:44.44 | zebradog | ,/? |
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| 03:45.10 | zebradog | pfred1, don't blow out the fuse hehehe |
| 03:46.34 | zebradog | nsadmin, the cows' manure create free energy too.. |
| 03:47.04 | zebradog | nsadmin, basically a whole swarm of animals is like free energy.. it'll just make one stinky fire.. |
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| 03:47.58 | pfred1 | guy around the corner from me just slaughtered all his cows |
| 03:48.26 | nsadmin | methane tends to affect the ozone layer negatively |
| 03:48.30 | zebradog | pfred1, nasty |
| 03:48.33 | alexhq | I have script in /etc/init.d. I need this script to execute on shutdown and restart before any other scripts. What params should I pass to update-rc.d? |
| 03:48.45 | pfred1 | zebradog what you don' like to eat? |
| 03:48.54 | nsadmin | before any scripts? |
| 03:49.03 | alexhq | nsadmin, it should be first |
| 03:49.24 | zebradog | pfred1, well it's alot of energy to raise cows.. instead of feeding cows, i'd rather grown "magic fruit" << FDA bans this as food additive.. |
| 03:49.30 | nsadmin | or just before any scripts in init.d? |
| 03:49.43 | alexhq | nsadmin, before any script in init.d |
| 03:49.46 | zebradog | pfred1, i'm thinking of starting a business selling magic fruit seeds.. dam seed are sold out.. |
| 03:50.01 | zebradog | pfred1, magic fruit.. turns any sour tasting food as delicious.. |
| 03:50.03 | pfred1 | zebradog about all we grow here is corn and soybeans |
| 03:50.03 | nsadmin | there's S runlevel |
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| 03:50.37 | zebradog | pfred1, how does it work there, you trade cow meat with the corn? |
| 03:50.42 | pfred1 | zebradog thousands of acres of corn and soybeans |
| 03:50.50 | pfred1 | zebradog no you feed them the corn |
| 03:50.53 | zebradog | pfred1, i smell lot of popcorn :) |
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| 03:51.47 | zebradog | pfred1, that's what i mean about energy, if you can live without the meat, why feed the cow with the corn? it takes alot of energy to feed livestock.. if you like meat that's fine.. just wondering economically wise.. |
| 03:51.56 | Rusty1 | !ot |
| 03:51.56 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:52.32 | zebradog | pfred1, you brought up the animal farts < ;) |
| 03:53.25 | zebradog | pfred1, so how do you fuse an animal's butt livestock in the realm of linux? do you eat gnus?, penguins with the computer? |
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| 03:54.32 | zebradog | pfred1, thanks for those tips u said to earlier about ordering parts.. appreciate what ya told me |
| 03:54.44 | pfred1 | zebradog sure np have fun |
| 03:55.51 | zebradog | if anyone needs help on debian, please make my ears hairs wobble and you'll be welcomed.. |
| 03:56.06 | zebradog | stretches out his ear hairs |
| 03:56.24 | zebradog | has long hairs sticking out of his ears |
| 03:57.13 | zebradog | ok, cut me some meat pfred1 :) |
| 03:57.17 | zebradog | (just kidding) |
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| 04:16.42 | JairunCaloth | grr why did I put ubuntu on my parent's computer? |
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| 04:17.08 | JairunCaloth | automounting quit working. it's not powering down on it's own.. and that's just after 2 days |
| 04:18.07 | compaq | anyone else ever notice, inkscape doesn't run so great, lots of bugs? |
| 04:19.11 | JairunCaloth | never used it |
| 04:19.27 | dondelelcaro | compaq: works fine for me, and I use it all the time |
| 04:19.34 | dondelelcaro | it certainly *does* have bugs, though |
| 04:20.12 | dondelelcaro | (though some of those bugs aren't really its bugs, but bugs in the librarys it uses) |
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| 04:30.22 | LemensTS | im running red5 server. i have this xuggler addon for it. I have to run these 3 export cmds as root to make the red5 server work with xuggler. I can do this bash and it works properly. If i try to have it run it in apache, xuggler does not work. I think i need to run the export cmds for the apache user or something...any ideas? |
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| 04:31.05 | LemensTS | bashrc didnt work for root, nor did /etc/environment |
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| 04:32.32 | compaq | dondelelcaro, it works fine, but it crashes sometimes. And also, if I make one drawing, and I export it as a selected item, and then I make another item and try to export, it doesn't work, I have to open a new windows. But anyway, it is definitely usable, I was just mentioning that it crashes. Like I was making some text, and it crashed, I had to go to a text console and killall inkscape to use my desktop again |
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| 04:33.37 | dondelelcaro | compaq: ah; yeah, it does crash from time to time. However, if you see crashes, and you're using a relatively new version, please get backtraces (you'll need to build an unstripped version) and file bugs |
| 04:33.57 | dondelelcaro | has fixed a few crashes in inkscape himself |
| 04:34.24 | compaq | dondelelcaro, version 46 |
| 04:34.58 | dondelelcaro | compaq: 47 is the newest version we distribute; there may be a backport of it |
| 04:35.22 | compaq | dondelelcaro, ok, let me check |
| 04:35.49 | compaq | !backports.org |
| 04:35.49 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
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| 04:36.21 | compaq | !bpo contents |
| 04:36.21 | dpkg | To see a list of packages that are available to you from backports.org, first add backports.org to your sources (ask me about <backports.org>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo". To determine installed backports.org packages, ask me about <bpo list>. |
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| 04:39.25 | dondelelcaro | compaq: I don't think it's been backported, but you could certainly make one |
| 04:41.18 | compaq | dondelelcaro, c'mon, I can't make one, lol |
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| 04:41.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell compaq about ssb |
| 04:41.47 | dondelelcaro | compaq: alternatively, you could ask someone to make one |
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| 04:50.11 | Jafet | Hi. Does "ia64" refer specifically to Itanium, and for any other 64-bit x86 I should use "amd64" builds? |
| 04:50.25 | dondelelcaro | Jafet: it refers specifically to itanium |
| 04:50.59 | dondelelcaro | Jafet: so yes, if you didn't pay more than 4K for your machine, you want amd64. |
| 04:51.14 | Jafet | Ok, thanks |
| 04:51.54 | LemensTS | how do i find out what user apache is running as |
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| 04:53.13 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: www-data is what it should be, but ps will tell you |
| 04:53.44 | LemensTS | ps auxwww | grep httpd .... right? |
| 04:53.54 | LemensTS | i couldnt find it under apache |
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| 04:56.08 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: if it's running, it'll be called apache 2 |
| 04:56.18 | dondelelcaro | s/e\s2/e2/ |
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| 05:16.02 | Phil | if an FS has gotten itself mounted read only, how does one remount it as RW? |
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| 05:17.28 | dondelelcaro | Phil: mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mountpoint; |
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| 05:17.36 | dondelelcaro | Phil: man mount; for details |
| 05:18.00 | hesco | Is Wyzard about this morning? |
| 05:18.14 | Phil | loft4236:~# mount -o remount,rw / |
| 05:18.14 | Phil | mount: block device /dev/sda3 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 05:18.17 | Phil | huhwhut? |
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| 05:20.27 | hesco | I'm building my first RAID array, was advised here a day or three ago about how to do so and to create LVM in the mix. I'm wondering if I should set aside a swap partition on each drive before I use mdadm to raid them together? |
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| 05:20.57 | dondelelcaro | hesco: I personally suggest having swap be on the raid |
| 05:21.16 | hesco | Or would I be able to designate swap with the LVM? |
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| 05:21.26 | dondelelcaro | hesco: you can do that too, if you want |
| 05:21.30 | hesco | how do you mean 'swap on the raid'? |
| 05:21.56 | hesco | What are the trade-offs? Any idea? |
| 05:22.28 | dondelelcaro | hesco: there is a slight speed decrease with swap on raid, and the benifit is that if a drive fails, the machine doesn't crash |
| 05:22.50 | dondelelcaro | (killing a drive which is being used as swap pretty much is guarnateed to take down a box) |
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| 05:23.25 | hesco | I would guess so |
| 05:24.00 | Phil | anyone have any ideas on "mount: block device /dev/sda3 is write-protected, mounting read-only"? |
| 05:24.35 | dondelelcaro | Phil: for whatever reason, the underlying block device is write protected |
| 05:24.54 | Phil | dmesg states "[15196882.324572] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off" |
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| 05:25.18 | Phil | disk is fubar, you think? |
| 05:25.52 | hesco | the question I am faced with at the moment is: shall I designate swap space in cfdisk while I partition? Or would it be preferable to do so in the LVM. Note, that while I have built dozens of machines over the years and administer multiple servers, I have barely encountered RAID and have never messed with LVM (which was recommended to me here the other day). |
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| 05:29.12 | dondelelcaro | hesco: I do it in lvm, but depends on the situtation |
| 05:29.33 | linis | how do i see the last line of Tcpdump ?? i mean the latest tcpdump. |
| 05:29.59 | dondelelcaro | hesco: if performance is important, and I know exactly how much swap, I'll do it right on top of its own raid device |
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| 05:31.24 | Jafet | If you don't want the system to die when a drive fails... don't use it for swap |
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| 05:41.34 | hesco | 'on top of its own raid device' ??? what would that mean, please? |
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| 05:58.44 | jelly-home | hesco: if your raid controller or soft raid setup allows you to create raid arrays out of slices of physical disks, you could use a single separate array for swap and avoid a slight performance penalty for LVM |
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| 06:01.23 | Gla | so let's say, you're on a server, someone ssh's is, his name is chris, I am gla, how do I watch what chris is doing if I have root |
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| 06:03.14 | dFO | hello |
| 06:03.19 | dFO | I need some help |
| 06:05.16 | dFO | anyone around? |
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| 06:08.20 | dondelelcaro | dFO: best to ask your question |
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| 06:13.41 | DogBoy | cause there could be plenty of people around that don't know the answer |
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| 06:54.20 | CrazyWoods | can i install python2.6 on debian? |
| 06:55.16 | dondelelcaro | CrazyWoods: in testing and unstable, yes |
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| 06:56.11 | CrazyWoods | dondelecaro, python3.1 had been released, why python are still unstable? |
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| 06:58.00 | jelly-home | CrazyWoods: the stable release of Debian doesn't get new software during its lifetime |
| 06:58.05 | jelly-home | !tell CrazyWoods about stable |
| 06:58.35 | CrazyWoods | jelly-home, i see |
| 06:58.48 | CrazyWoods | jelly-home, stable is for debian |
| 07:01.41 | CrazyWoods | jelly-home, if i update the debian i can install new version of python, right? |
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| 07:21.22 | ethanol | morning people |
| 07:24.40 | globaleast | hi |
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| 07:37.26 | iceroot | what is the latest debian-release using kde1? the same for kde2 |
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| 07:40.42 | Gryllida | Hi! How do I know how many multiple logins I'm having? |
| 07:40.48 | jelly-home | iceroot: you can browse http://archive.debian.org/ and find out |
| 07:41.00 | ethanol | Gryllida: eh? |
| 07:41.11 | iceroot | jelly-home: yeah, i forgot... #debian is just "search for yourself". sorry for that |
| 07:41.31 | ethanol | iceroot: well what did you expect #debian to be? your magic 8ball? |
| 07:41.47 | Gryllida | ethanol, what? |
| 07:41.51 | iceroot | ethanol: usefull answers instead of rtfm or search it yourself |
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| 07:42.03 | fluffymuffins | hello |
| 07:42.11 | jelly-home | iceroot: if it's an unusual bit of data, yes. Or do you expect volunteers to search instead of you if they don't have it handy. |
| 07:42.21 | ethanol | iceroot: well he nudged you in the proper direction |
| 07:42.32 | iceroot | jelly-home: i just though that some people know it directly |
| 07:42.58 | jelly-home | iceroot: they may answer your question if you're patient enough |
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| 07:43.10 | iceroot | jelly-home: i am |
| 07:43.13 | ethanol | iceroot: considering the question, I find that highly unlikely. |
| 07:44.07 | fluffymuffins | i am having trouble installing tftpd-hpa 5.0-14... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tftpd-hpa_5.0-14_i386.deb (--install): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 127 |
| 07:44.26 | iceroot | ethanol: i dont think so, normaly i am using ubuntu, and i call tell you what version of kde the different ubuntu-versions are using. but ok, there is no scence to discus that here, as i said, its normally rtfm or search for yourself |
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| 07:45.35 | ethanol | iceroot: I use debian on all our servers. all cli. I have no interest in kde whatsoever. |
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| 07:46.18 | iceroot | ethanol: and what is the problem? i dont ask you directly, i was asking the chanel, so if you dont know the answer its ok |
| 07:46.35 | ethanol | iceroot: the problem is that we gave you an indirect answer, and you started whining. |
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| 07:47.48 | iceroot | ethanol: yeah, lets stop that discussion here |
| 07:47.59 | ethanol | iceroot: done :) |
| 07:48.30 | grand_grunt | I've updated my Sid yesterday, and now, when running "dhclient", it is quiet in terminal, only writing in log. Is there any reason to this? |
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| 07:50.09 | streuner_ | looked at changelog and/or BTS? |
| 07:50.09 | squisher | hey folks, I'm sure there is a way to signal the bug tracker that a particular bug also affects another package |
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| 07:50.43 | Gryllida | Help! |
| 07:50.52 | streuner_ | judd, versions dhclient |
| 07:50.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'dhclient' was found. |
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| 07:50.55 | streuner_ | hm |
| 07:51.37 | streuner_ | grand_grunt: are we talking about ddclient or DHCP client? |
| 07:52.05 | jelly-home | what is ddclient? |
| 07:52.35 | streuner_ | !info ddclient |
| 07:52.58 | squisher | jelly, ddclient is for updating dynamic dns |
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| 07:53.02 | dpkg | ddclient: (address updating utility for dynamic DNS services), section net, is extra. Version: 3.8.0-11.1 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 07:53.08 | jelly-home | oh, never heard of it |
| 07:53.09 | squisher | beat dpkg :-P |
| 07:53.26 | jelly-home | dpkg: beat squisher |
| 07:53.27 | dpkg | beats squisher with a large stick. |
| 07:53.28 | grand_grunt | streuner_: I'm talking about DHCP client |
| 07:53.53 | squisher | :D |
| 07:54.04 | streuner_ | grand_grunt: but you get an IP? |
| 07:54.05 | grand_grunt | Seems to be a new feature, I would call it a bug. |
| 07:54.23 | grand_grunt | Yes, it works, I get an IP. But I was used to see it coming, see the server IP, all that stuff. |
| 07:54.28 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: anything useful in the changelog? |
| 07:54.31 | grand_grunt | Now, it just became quiet :/ |
| 07:54.49 | grand_grunt | Not looked at changelog yet, will do. |
| 07:55.03 | jelly-home | you're not a very good sid used, then :-P |
| 07:55.05 | jelly-home | user* |
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| 07:57.08 | fluffymuffins | i am having major probs with my tftp server |
| 07:58.48 | grand_grunt | There is a transition between "dhcp3-client" (old name, now transitional) and "isc-dhcp-client" |
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| 08:00.04 | fluffymuffins | as in, i just got new nodes, so i needed to change my dhcp conf files to allow the ip's and mac addresses, so while i was at it i updated. now tftp is not starting, none of my nodes boot into the net, etc |
| 08:00.37 | fluffymuffins | and its all cuz it wont install... and idk why |
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| 08:01.09 | jelly-home | fluffymuffins: what won't install? |
| 08:01.18 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 08:01.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:01.24 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 08:01.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 08:01.28 | fluffymuffins | tftpd-hpa_5.0-14 |
| 08:01.36 | grand_grunt | Nothing in changelog. weird. |
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| 08:02.17 | grand_grunt | Ok, there is a verbose option now, just have to add '-v' to get old behavior. |
| 08:02.19 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: the new offering is versioned 4.x; one would expect some changes from a major number increase |
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| 08:03.45 | fluffymuffins | @jelly-home: debian sid. |
| 08:04.09 | jelly-home | fluffymuffins: you might want to pastebin the actual output of a failing command. Also, why the hell are you using sid for infrastrcuture |
| 08:05.05 | fluffymuffins | *jelly-home: i would use lenny, buuuuut whats wrong with sid honestly?? |
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| 08:05.19 | jelly-home | !tell fluffymuffins about unstable |
| 08:05.29 | jelly-home | er. |
| 08:05.32 | jelly-home | !tell fluffymuffins about sid |
| 08:06.22 | streuner_ | grand_grunt: an alias just should be fine in .bashrc ... |
| 08:06.23 | jelly-home | fluffymuffins: it breaks. One should use it only if they care about fixing those breakages |
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| 08:07.11 | fluffymuffins | jelly-home: call me a risk taker, i like testing/unstable dists :D |
| 08:07.29 | jelly-home | fluffymuffins: call me a person unwilling to provide additional help! |
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| 08:08.00 | grand_grunt | streuner_: yes :) |
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| 08:08.57 | grand_grunt | fluffymuffins: I'm using tftp-hda 5.0-14 too, and works fine here. Double check your conf file. |
| 08:09.38 | fluffymuffins | jelly-home: its actually a very simple prob, prob more with dpkg than tftpd itself, but yes i will check the conf file |
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| 08:11.53 | fluffymuffins | jelly-home: well this is strange. /var/lib/tftp-hpa does not exist |
| 08:12.04 | fluffymuffins | and that is my conf file, originally |
| 08:12.49 | grand_grunt | Conf file of tftp-hda goes in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa |
| 08:13.36 | fluffymuffins | well my bad then |
| 08:16.20 | fluffymuffins | thanks i got it |
| 08:16.36 | jamesstanley | well that was annoying... i just spent about half an hour trying to get flash to work on my dads machine and it turns out adobe have disabled 64-bit support |
| 08:17.01 | jamesstanley | does anyone know why 64-bit debian systems were given a broken flash? |
| 08:17.02 | themill | jamesstanley: yes. Make sure you write to them and tell them to stop being such a PITA. |
| 08:17.05 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 08:17.15 | jamesstanley | but why didn't debian just leave the old working one up? |
| 08:17.36 | themill | jamesstanley: debian has never had flash at all |
| 08:17.46 | jamesstanley | it's in nonfree, no? |
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| 08:18.22 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: non-free isn't part of Debian |
| 08:18.22 | themill | jamesstanley: no, a script that will download it for you is in contrib. |
| 08:18.27 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 08:18.31 | grand_grunt | There is a security hole in Flash 64 bits, anyway |
| 08:18.43 | jamesstanley | there are plenty of security holes in all flash, from what i've been reading |
| 08:19.23 | grand_grunt | I've learn't my father how to use Download Helper (FX extension) when he first asked for "Youtubes videos", better get this way ;) |
| 08:20.16 | jamesstanley | ooh, looks like a nice plugin |
| 08:20.21 | jamesstanley | i've been looking for something like this |
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| 08:39.54 | Jon2 | Hi - I am a linux newbie |
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| 08:40.00 | Jon2 | have a question about resolv.conf |
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| 08:41.00 | Jon2 | There are DNS servers set in /etc/network/interfaces & also in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:41.09 | Jon2 | i am confused as to why this is at 2 places |
| 08:41.22 | Jon2 | where is the DNS server picked up from - which of these 2 files |
| 08:42.19 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:45.19 | Jon2 | <petemc> so what's the need for setting it also in /etc/network/interfaces under dns-nameservers for each interface? |
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| 08:47.20 | petemc | Jon2: i guess its not needed, perhaps if you prefer to do all network config in one place. resolv.conf is the 'traditional' way |
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| 08:47.53 | Jon2 | petemc: if there is a resolv.conf setting, then is the interfaces one totally ignored |
| 08:48.02 | petemc | i dont know |
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| 08:48.10 | dondelelcaro | Jon2: because that way you can have different nameservers for different interfaces |
| 08:48.13 | ThoMe | hi |
| 08:48.23 | ThoMe | how i can get the pagecount from a post-script file? |
| 08:48.38 | dondelelcaro | Jon2: it's designed to work with resolvconf |
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| 08:49.25 | Jon2 | dondelelcaro: i don't understand - do you mean the interface entries get copied to resolv.conf |
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| 08:50.19 | dondelelcaro | Jon2: they do if you're using resolvconf |
| 08:50.51 | dondelelcaro | Jon2: otherwise the entries in /etc/network/interfaces are ignored |
| 08:51.07 | Jon2 | so does resolvconf have to be run manually from the command line after you change the entries in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 08:51.30 | dondelelcaro | Jon2: no. |
| 08:51.44 | dondelelcaro | Jon2: they take effect the next time you bring that interface up |
| 08:52.18 | dondelelcaro | Jon2: what are you trying to do? |
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| 08:53.01 | giaco | hello |
| 08:53.50 | ThoMe | how i can get the pagecount from a post-script file? |
| 08:53.54 | jelly | Jon2: in some cases /etc/resolv.conf may end up being a proper file even if resolvconf is installed and supposed to be active. Normally when resolvconf is in use, /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 08:54.09 | giaco | I want to ask you if is it possible to replace the /var folder on a running system. |
| 08:54.30 | jelly | giaco: fsvo running, yes |
| 08:54.52 | jelly | giaco: you'll have to stop all the services using any files and directories under it |
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| 08:55.10 | giaco | I want to "cp /var/* /anotherHD/" than remount that copy in place of var |
| 08:55.21 | giaco | fsvo stand for? |
| 08:55.28 | jelly | "for some value of" |
| 08:56.19 | jelly | giaco: use lsof to figure out what processes keep files in /var open, something like lsof -n | grep ' /var' |
| 08:56.47 | jelly | giaco: then stop all of those, copy and replace your /var, and start them back |
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| 08:58.47 | giaco | jelly, ty |
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| 08:59.25 | jelly | giaco: since you'll have to stop many important services, the system might not exactly be "running" everything at that point, therefore "FSVO" |
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| 09:06.37 | giaco | jelly, yes I'd stop pretty everything |
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| 09:07.34 | tolland | hi |
| 09:07.42 | tolland | where is the portmap config file on debian |
| 09:07.52 | tolland | i don't seem to have anything like /etc/sysconfig |
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| 09:09.59 | jelly | tolland: dpkg -L portmap will list package contents, then you can eg. inspect the init script and see if it tries to read any (other) config file not listed with dpkg -L |
| 09:11.33 | katano | tolland: reading /usr/share/doc/portmap/README might also put some light on what you are tring to do |
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| 09:12.14 | jelly | katano: have you read that file on lenny? It's completely useless. |
| 09:12.51 | jelly | tolland: you're going to find /etc/default/portmap eventually |
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| 09:14.12 | katano | jelly: if i got the right file, it talks about compiling portmap, presuming he got it via apt then it looks useless |
| 09:14.45 | jelly | that's the one. |
| 09:14.57 | tolland | haha, right i found it. back to rhel boxes for me |
| 09:15.05 | jelly | cheers |
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| 09:16.53 | tolland | thnx! |
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| 09:40.41 | Northwoods | 10 3 * * * /usr/bin/foo would run every day at 3:10 am , if i want to run it every 15 mins everyday , how can i do it ? |
| 09:40.43 | Northwoods | using crontab |
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| 09:46.55 | rvsjoen | 15/* * * * * |
| 09:47.18 | rvsjoen | someone already told you that in #linux |
| 09:47.36 | rvsjoen | no, sorry |
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| 10:02.56 | greenberet123 | Hi, i have a executable that runs on 2.6 kernel, with glibc 2.3, can i run it on a 2.4 kernel Debian 3 somehow? Can I copy the libraries from 2.6 onto my 2.4 system and get it to run? |
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| 10:04.25 | Tex-Twil | hello |
| 10:04.26 | Tex-Twil | any ideas where I can find the perl module "Hook.pm" ? |
| 10:05.08 | Tex-Twil | use Class::Hook; |
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| 10:07.11 | skillet | hi all |
| 10:07.25 | skillet | why is lenny openssl braindead |
| 10:07.34 | skillet | missing all EC ciphers? |
| 10:07.39 | skillet | and how can i get them |
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| 10:07.59 | skillet | bug? |
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| 10:09.11 | skillet | it is defined in the header but doesnt seem to be enabled in the binary? |
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| 10:10.00 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 10:10.00 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 10:11.34 | technic | hei i creting my localhost repository, can you tell me where can i find file .changes? |
| 10:11.46 | technic | from this article |
| 10:11.47 | technic | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 10:13.33 | aiyu | hii, whenever i open a folder , it opens in a new window.where can i set the option for opening folders in the parent window itself. |
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| 10:14.47 | technic | aiyu: it depent on your window manager |
| 10:15.26 | technic | it must have some settings options |
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| 10:15.27 | aiyu | technic: i am using gnome+compiz |
| 10:15.41 | skillet | !fail |
| 10:15.45 | skillet | !quit |
| 10:15.45 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 10:15.45 | aiyu | technic: where can i find configuration for this?any idea? |
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| 10:17.12 | technic | aiyu: i don't using gnome :/ |
| 10:17.18 | technic | i try install it and find w8 |
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| 10:17.35 | aiyu | technic: ok thanks |
| 10:17.37 | jauiwojau | What is a good way to change the password of a LUKS encrypted debian system (including the swap partition)? |
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| 10:21.52 | technic | aiyu: i am sure you must change it somewhere via gconf-editor, I searching for it |
| 10:22.28 | aiyu | technic: thanks , i wil go through it |
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| 10:24.58 | technic | or I just try in one open window go to edit -> preferences -> behavior nad click to option Always open in browser windows |
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| 10:26.44 | technic | it is the same option like in gconf-editor -> nautilus -> always_use_browser |
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| 10:27.06 | linduxed | lets assume i've got a .zip archive that's called foobar.zip and it contains no folders (just one level). i want to unzip it, but i want to have it extract to a folder of the same name as the archive (in this case all the extracted files would land in foobar/ instead of being dumped into the same folder as the archive). is there a flag for this? |
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| 10:28.32 | filePeter | How can I read logfile-changes live? Busybox had this logread command… |
| 10:28.45 | aiyu | technic:thanks ...prob solved |
| 10:29.07 | technic | aiyu: no problem ;) |
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| 10:30.21 | technic | filePeter: are you searching something like this: tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 10:30.23 | technic | ? |
| 10:34.36 | jauiwojau | Has anyone any idea regarding my question ("What is a good way to change the password of a LUKS encrypted debian system (including the swap partition)?") |
| 10:35.17 | technic | I use encryption like you, but I never try change password |
| 10:35.44 | technic | before one day I was doing that you may put your pw via ssh |
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| 10:36.34 | filePeter | technic: Yes Im searching for an automated tail command in a way! :-) |
| 10:37.07 | filePeter | technic: Oh. Wait. -f does it! Cool! Thanks technic! |
| 10:37.16 | technic | ;) |
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| 10:38.27 | technic | jauiwojau: i am searching for solution, because it is interesting problem |
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| 10:38.45 | technic | have you encryption of whole system? |
| 10:38.58 | technic | are you using a lvm with encryption? |
| 10:39.54 | filePeter | ls |
| 10:39.58 | filePeter | ar8 |
| 10:40.00 | filePeter | arg |
| 10:40.04 | jauiwojau | technic: thanks |
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| 10:41.28 | jauiwojau | technic: good question, about lvm, I forgot, how can I find that out? |
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| 10:43.38 | technic | jauiwojau: cat /etc/fstab |
| 10:44.56 | technic | hmm, you may see some /dev/mapper partitions if you have lvm |
| 10:45.05 | technic | and try lvmdiskscan |
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| 10:46.07 | jauiwojau | technic: I see those, /dev/mapper in fstab |
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| 10:47.05 | jauiwojau | technic: and lvmdiskscan also produces a positive result |
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| 10:47.27 | technic | than you have lvm on your system |
| 10:47.30 | jauiwojau | technic: isn't lvm default for debian? Or are there other options? |
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| 10:48.23 | technic | no lvm is not default, but you propably choose in installation lvm with encryption for whole you disk or you modified it partition setup |
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| 10:48.57 | jauiwojau | technic: this revived my memory: yes I did indeed. |
| 10:48.58 | technic | i think you encryption passwd you may change via cryptsetup |
| 10:49.06 | technic | luksAddKey <device> [<new key file>] |
| 10:49.07 | technic | add a new key file/passphrase. An existing passphrase or key file (via --key-file) must be supplied. The key file with the |
| 10:49.08 | technic | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.38 | technic | cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sda2 |
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| 10:53.34 | jauiwojau | technic: it is a dangerous step... if it doesn't work I could lose my system... You are certain it works? |
| 10:54.01 | Jafet | Hi. If I copy the contents of an installer CD to a regular hard drive, should it boot? |
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| 10:54.45 | technic | jauiwojau: than wait, I preparing machine and going try it, but it take a time, I will let you know |
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| 10:56.16 | technic | Jafet: I am not sure about your question ... why you want do it? why you dont install it? |
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| 10:56.37 | jauiwojau | technic: wow, the guys here are so friendly! Thanks. You are not putting your own machine at risk? |
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| 10:57.14 | technic | yes, but I have same encryption and lvm partition like you and I want try it |
| 10:57.21 | Jafet | I don't have blank CDs. Guess I'll try bootstrapping from an older version |
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| 10:58.48 | technic | Jafet: you may convert iso to boot usb, if you have some |
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| 11:00.23 | Jafet | Yeah, I have a bunch of drives around |
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| 11:03.04 | jauiwojau | technic: ah, I see... |
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| 11:22.14 | superlinux | hi. how can I add mod_headers to apache2? |
| 11:22.27 | superlinux | which package? |
| 11:23.18 | abrotman | !search |
| 11:23.19 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 11:24.17 | niklaswe | superlinux: apache2.2-common |
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| 11:24.29 | SlayerXP | superlinux: that's included with the main package. use "a2enmod" |
| 11:24.35 | superlinux | ok |
| 11:24.38 | superlinux | I will |
| 11:26.35 | jauiwojau | technic: are you still there? |
| 11:26.45 | technic | jauiwojau: yes |
| 11:27.10 | abrotman | run away! |
| 11:27.16 | jauiwojau | technic: wow, did you succeed? I have to go right now, (other) work is waiting for me... |
| 11:27.19 | technic | abrotman: :D |
| 11:28.11 | technic | jauiwojau: no yet, i installed just virtual machine and i will try there and then at my pc |
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| 11:30.26 | jauiwojau | technic: ah, that is smart... Perhaps you can post your result somewhere? |
| 11:30.48 | jauiwojau | technic: I will perhaps not be able to stay online, namely... |
| 11:31.17 | technic | jauiwojau: ok than just write me where do you want result |
| 11:31.50 | Northwoods | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:32.13 | abrotman | Northwoods: did you try #!/usr/bin/php or whatever it is at the top ? |
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| 11:32.44 | Northwoods | what is #!usr/bin/php ? |
| 11:32.54 | Northwoods | where ? |
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| 11:33.13 | dadrian | Northwoods: at the top of your .php file, it indicates the path to the php binary |
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| 11:33.54 | Northwoods | i see |
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| 11:35.21 | abrotman | make sure whatever you point it to actually exists before you put it in there |
| 11:35.37 | jauiwojau | technic: perhaps you can post it on http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ then everyone can use your result. |
| 11:36.23 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I add a link to IRC channel? |
| 11:36.30 | thewanderer1 | what's the URL scheme? |
| 11:37.02 | technic | thewanderer1: just use copy paste |
| 11:37.19 | thewanderer1 | technic, right, but I can't find any working IRC link on WWW |
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| 11:37.56 | dadrian | thewanderer1: irc://irc.freenode.org/debian , but it depends if the browser has a handler setup to handle that |
| 11:38.11 | rdz | hi all. i am creating a debian package from sources from a git clone. how can i exclude .git from being included to the source package, when doing 'debuild -S' ? |
| 11:38.37 | thewanderer1 | dadrian, do you know how to setup Iceweasel or Chromium? |
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| 11:39.11 | craigevil | iceweasel look under Applications |
| 11:39.14 | technic | jauiwojau: it's mailing list, i unsubscribe it a long time ago, but if you wish ... |
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| 11:40.58 | cmayo | how do i change my hostname from my linux username in irssi? |
| 11:41.38 | jauiwojau | technic: would be great, if you want it of course... |
| 11:41.56 | jauiwojau | technic: where are you from btw? Which country? |
| 11:42.02 | craigevil | thewanderer1: with Chrome you are pretty much stuck using an extension irc to mibbit and irc freenode chat look like the only ones atm |
| 11:42.13 | thewanderer1 | crap |
| 11:42.46 | technic | technic: slovakia |
| 11:42.52 | technic | fuck :D |
| 11:42.56 | technic | jauiwojau: svk |
| 11:43.44 | jauiwojau | technic: ah! I'm from the Netherlands. Ok, looking forward to your results. |
| 11:44.19 | technic | jauiwojau: :D i have some friends there :D ... ok i will put it today there ... |
| 11:45.28 | jauiwojau | technic: ah! Ok, thanks for your efforts. Have to go now! |
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| 11:46.12 | technic | jauiwojau: c ya |
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| 11:46.36 | abrotman | cmagrr |
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| 11:47.27 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 11:52.47 | mt2 | Hi all. I'm playing around with customising the debian installer. I'm trying to find where the debian logo file is called from, I know that I can replace the file "logo_debian.png" in initrd with whatever picture (leaving the name logo_debian intact), so that my image would show up instead of debian's. |
| 11:54.02 | mt2 | But I want to know where that file is called from so that I could name my file any other name, and have it load correctly. |
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| 11:57.21 | mt2 | Could anyone help me with that ? |
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| 11:58.58 | aleray | I bound a disk like this: /srv/home_kurator /home none bind |
| 11:59.06 | aleray | how can I ubind it withour restarting ? |
| 11:59.12 | aleray | unbind it ? |
| 11:59.30 | frostschutz | umount? |
| 11:59.37 | Zharf | umount. |
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| 12:01.34 | aleray | umount /home doesn't work |
| 12:01.47 | aleray | (device is busy) |
| 12:01.58 | Zharf | obviously |
| 12:02.16 | alterego | I'm trying to execute a 32 bit lib on a 64 bit debian system, I have ia32-libs installed but I'm getting bash <program>: No such file or directory |
| 12:02.18 | thewanderer1 | aleray, you won't umount it when you're using it |
| 12:02.29 | alterego | file reports it as a 32 bit ELF executable |
| 12:02.38 | alterego | And ldd returns clean results of it's deps |
| 12:02.47 | aleray | I don't wnat to umount the partition, just to unbind it from /home |
| 12:03.04 | Zharf | that's what you would be doing |
| 12:03.14 | aguitel | i have scanner epson cx5600 ,anyone know to install this in debian? |
| 12:03.25 | thewanderer1 | aleray, if you are using /home (you are logged in), then you can't umount it cause you have file handles open pointing to /home |
| 12:03.35 | aleray | I'm logged as root |
| 12:03.53 | thewanderer1 | are you in /home directory via cd or others? |
| 12:04.10 | aleray | I don't think so |
| 12:04.18 | thewanderer1 | umount -f /home |
| 12:04.23 | Zharf | lsof | grep /home |
| 12:04.42 | thewanderer1 | right, to make sure nobody's using it |
| 12:05.12 | aleray | thewanderer1, I remember there are processes running |
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| 12:05.18 | aleray | using home |
| 12:05.25 | thewanderer1 | kill 'em all |
| 12:05.38 | nooper | alterego: is it +x? |
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| 12:06.57 | alterego | nooper: yes :P |
| 12:07.07 | alterego | nooper: and permissions are fine |
| 12:07.08 | aleray | thewanderer1, good |
| 12:07.43 | thewanderer1 | btw. kurator is a creative username :P |
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| 12:08.35 | thewanderer1 | mt2, can you just grep all files for references to the logo? |
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| 12:12.45 | jmg | dpkg: developers |
| 12:12.45 | dpkg | i heard developers is DEVELOPERSDEVELOPERSDEVELOPERS!, or http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html |
| 12:12.49 | jmg | ... |
| 12:12.58 | jmg | what happened to #debian-devel? |
| 12:13.44 | jmg | ok |
| 12:14.11 | jmg | is there a reason openssl 1.0 is not in sid? |
| 12:14.13 | jmg | !openssl |
| 12:14.13 | dpkg | well, openssl is the OpenSource version of Secure Socket Layer, or http://www.openssl.org/, or see <whygnutls> |
| 12:14.49 | jarick | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.52 | jarick | Err |
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| 12:15.13 | jmg | !whygnutls |
| 12:15.13 | dpkg | http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2 and http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
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| 12:16.07 | jmg | zz |
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| 12:24.38 | thewanderer1 | so what cool tabletPC apps do we have in Debian besides Xournal and Cellwriter? |
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| 12:28.56 | Amse | lol lol |
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| 12:35.16 | mt2 | thewanderer1: Tried grep before coming to the channel .. failed to find anything :( |
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| 12:49.46 | jsumners | what happened to the option to specify your own mirror during installation? |
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| 12:50.39 | thewanderer1 | jsumners, use expert mode |
| 12:51.59 | jsumners | thewanderer1, and do _not_ load the "choose-mirror" component? |
| 12:52.39 | thewanderer1 | do load it... |
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| 12:53.21 | Optic | yay got my RTL8818S usb wifi adapter running under Squeeze! |
| 12:53.56 | jsumners | thewanderer1, ah, there we go. thank you |
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| 12:54.23 | px_ | #dircproxy |
| 12:54.27 | px_ | opss |
| 12:54.29 | px_ | sorry |
| 12:54.41 | sylar | is it possible to make two filesystems on two servers appear as one? |
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| 12:55.36 | dadrian | sylar: you can do a lot with nfs, depends what you understand by "as one" |
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| 12:56.04 | sylar | I want to share to windows via samba/cifs |
| 12:56.16 | sylar | dadrian, and to add servers when space will be tight |
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| 12:56.53 | sylar | dadrian, so as one would be that it would just be a JBOD |
| 12:57.07 | sylar | I want to make a JBOD of several servers |
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| 12:58.24 | dadrian | sylar: never done myself one, but i see there are references on google about JBOD + NFS |
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| 13:00.22 | sylar | is it possible to make one directory be on spaces of two disks? |
| 13:00.23 | abrotman | sylar: yes .. there are a few filesystems like that |
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| 13:00.40 | abrotman | !gfs |
| 13:00.40 | dpkg | [gfs] Global File System (GFS), allowing multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. http://www.redhat.com/gfs/ http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ #linux-cluster on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:00.41 | sylar | abrotman, which ones? |
| 13:00.46 | abrotman | is one that i know of .. i'm sure there are others |
| 13:01.08 | sylar | abrotman, aha |
| 13:01.17 | LemensTS | im trying to get FFMPEG to work with XUGGLER when ran from php exec() in apache. It doesn't seem to use the environment variables in /etc/profile or /etc/environment ive tried them both. here are some details on what is going on: http://pastebin.com/VhMcW8aS |
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| 13:02.26 | sylar | abrotman, I was once intereseted in gfs, and ofsc2 , but more as an FS that replicate the same server to a few servers. I.e. one FS is on all servers, that use it. I want one FS on all servers, but the FS is not a mirror |
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| 13:02.57 | sylar | abrotman, I don't recall if they could do also what I need now |
| 13:03.00 | sylar | abrotman, I guess I'll have to read about it |
| 13:03.14 | abrotman | i think that's what GFS does? |
| 13:04.12 | sylar | abrotman, I think more in the line of having the same file on a few computers fses, and managing that locking a file on one place would lock it on the other |
| 13:04.42 | sylar | abrotman, I don't know if it cares for uniting spaces on different servers |
| 13:04.44 | abrotman | sylar: oh .. no idea .. maybe ask the FUSE people ? |
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| 13:05.08 | sylar | abrotman, I'll look them up |
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| 13:05.29 | sylar | I am asking #linux-ha, maybe they will know |
| 13:05.33 | thewanderer1 | sylar, why not NFS? |
| 13:05.40 | thewanderer1 | NFS supports locking |
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| 13:06.43 | cantido | GlusterFS has locking too |
| 13:06.58 | cantido | I think most network/cluster FS do |
| 13:07.13 | jacekowski | most cluster fs'es has no locking |
| 13:07.22 | jacekowski | well, distributed locking |
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| 13:07.40 | sylar | abrotman, where does fuse people hang out? |
| 13:07.54 | sylar | thewanderer1, I will look it up |
| 13:08.03 | thewanderer1 | well, NFS is native in Linux |
| 13:08.04 | cantido | jacekowski: RO? |
| 13:08.08 | thewanderer1 | almost no configuration |
| 13:08.12 | thewanderer1 | and I run it at home :P |
| 13:08.19 | sylar | cantido, the locking is not the issue now, the issue is to increase space |
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| 13:08.29 | sylar | cantido, not to replicate it |
| 13:08.55 | sylar | and use all space under a single directory tree |
| 13:09.07 | cantido | sylar: over multiple machines? |
| 13:09.14 | sylar | ie not this dir is on that server, and that dir is on that server |
| 13:09.35 | thewanderer1 | sylar, you might want to setup a few NFS servers |
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| 13:10.02 | thewanderer1 | that implies a kind of centralized storage (servers) anyway |
| 13:10.18 | sylar | perhaps I need to manke this network scsi, and from these scsi devices to create a jbod using md |
| 13:10.50 | thewanderer1 | sylar, if you want everything under a common directory without worrying about what is on which server, use OpenAFS |
| 13:10.54 | cantido | sylar: if you just need to store the files on another machine use NFS |
| 13:11.11 | sylar | yes |
| 13:11.15 | Bushmills | cehck out |
| 13:11.19 | Bushmills | check out mhddfs |
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| 13:11.37 | thewanderer1 | OpenAFS uses a virtual directory /afs which stores all your files on all servers, it's really like a cloud |
| 13:11.37 | Bushmills | it can combine volumes on mont points to one large volume |
| 13:11.43 | sylar | exactly |
| 13:11.52 | cantido | the main issue with NFS is having the NFS machine disappear while the other machine is accessing the export :/ |
| 13:12.08 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 13:12.24 | cantido | gluster etc can do volumes across multiple nodes too |
| 13:12.30 | cantido | you don't have to have replication |
| 13:12.41 | thewanderer1 | mhddfs is FUSE while OpenAFS is native, plus OpenAFS is used by multiple organizations and is inherently networked |
| 13:13.11 | cantido | yeah, fuse is to be avoided if you need any sort of performance :( |
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| 13:14.12 | sylar | aha, sounds like I have a few options |
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| 13:14.22 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 13:14.28 | sylar | I'll chekc them out, thanks :) |
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| 13:14.46 | thewanderer1 | also search in Linux Magazine and Linux+ if available, they might have nice articles |
| 13:14.50 | cantido | sylar: if you just want to share some storage from one machine to another NFS is the way to go IMHO |
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| 13:16.02 | sylar | cantido, I need to be able to expand my space beyond one server's space |
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| 13:17.09 | cantido | I wouldn't distribute files across multiple nodes unless you're really sure what happens when one of the nodes dies |
| 13:17.15 | thewanderer1 | sylar, I don't exactly know how OpenAFS manages storage, be sure to read up |
| 13:17.26 | thewanderer1 | yes cantido good point |
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| 13:18.11 | cantido | not even dies, if a node gets busy and doesn't respond to requests fast enough it can send everything up the wall |
| 13:18.23 | sylar | sure, usually u would need to bring it back up to get the files that were on it |
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| 13:19.20 | thewanderer1 | and have RAID at hand |
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| 13:19.30 | thewanderer1 | or preferably, a fire extinguisher |
| 13:19.54 | cantido | sylar: some of the "cluster" fs handle it transparently.. i.e. the files disappear if the node holding them goes away |
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| 13:20.12 | cantido | sylar: and they come back with the node recovers. But that might matter to your app |
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| 13:21.22 | cantido | any writes cause traffic to all the nodes.. so if you have too much latency between your nodes writes will be slow as hell |
| 13:21.26 | sylar | ya |
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| 13:22.50 | thewanderer1 | peeps, Ubuntu has removed aptitude and tasksel from the standard install... do you see any meteors hitting the ground in your area, or sky set on fire? |
| 13:23.17 | zinx | do they recommend Synaptic instead or something? |
| 13:23.31 | cantido | thewanderer1: I presume they've removed aptitude because everyone is using the graphical frontend |
| 13:23.31 | zinx | also, i guess this isn't #ubuntu >_< |
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| 13:24.38 | thewanderer1 | it isn't, right. it does matter somehow to Debian, tho |
| 13:24.54 | thewanderer1 | like I thought Debian adapting regular freezes was meant to be a joke |
| 13:25.27 | cantido | thewanderer1: I wouldn't worry about ubuntu causing negative changes in debian |
| 13:25.40 | thewanderer1 | it already did... |
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| 13:25.57 | thewanderer1 | abrupting the 'release when it's ready' policy |
| 13:26.13 | cantido | iirc ubuntu wanted a freeze and the release team said no |
| 13:26.48 | thewanderer1 | wasn't the idea passed? |
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| 13:27.00 | thewanderer1 | there was lots of fuss about it on the mailing lists |
| 13:27.12 | thewanderer1 | almost like Linus calling GNOME designers nazis |
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| 13:27.42 | bassliner | if at least he would call gnome AND kde designers nazis i'd be cool with that. |
| 13:27.56 | bassliner | and to be honest, i can understand linus in that way. |
| 13:28.01 | cantido | why does linus' opinion mean anything? |
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| 13:28.20 | bassliner | cantido: because your opinion means something too. |
| 13:28.45 | bassliner | cantido: and, most likely, because he's absolutely right about that. |
| 13:28.46 | cantido | bassliner: linus' saying to the gnome or kde guys "your design is shit" means diddle |
| 13:28.54 | PinkFreud | I dunno about gnome designers, but I find the trend of removing functionality from gdm to be highly disturbing |
| 13:29.04 | thewanderer1 | actually Linus did criticize KDE and move to GNOME |
| 13:29.06 | bassliner | cantido: he doesn't do that. he says that design decisions are bullshit. |
| 13:29.10 | thewanderer1 | you must have missed the headlines :P |
| 13:29.34 | cantido | wow linus said something.. must make it right(tm) |
| 13:29.38 | bassliner | cantido: like in, getting rid of menu icons, not applying a 3 year old patch saying we don't need it that just clarifies the look and feel, stuff like that. |
| 13:29.49 | bassliner | cantido: going for insane defaults, all stuff like that. |
| 13:30.03 | cantido | and linus' is a user experience expert? |
| 13:30.35 | bassliner | oh definitely not. but to be a user experience expert you have to know what kind of users your users are. |
| 13:30.45 | jordanm | no, but he his potentially the most important player in GNU/Linux, controlling every commit to the main kernel tree |
| 13:30.54 | bassliner | and believe me, people are different, have different needs and different ways to use computers. |
| 13:31.10 | cantido | jordanm: does gnome use any thing specific to the linux kernel? |
| 13:31.16 | cantido | jordanm: it's userland right? |
| 13:31.20 | nsadmin | I'm nobody... but don't you want to discuss this on #defocus or #flood or somewhere? |
| 13:31.33 | bassliner | if you make a desktop environment with idiots using it in mind, only idiots will use it. |
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| 13:31.57 | jordanm | cantido: yes, but everything makes kernel system calls. even something as something as simple as write() requires the cooperation of the kernel |
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| 13:32.07 | PinkFreud | jordanm: keep in mind that gnome is not linux-specific |
| 13:32.32 | cantido | thought that gnome could run on BSD,.. even windows these days.. |
| 13:32.33 | PinkFreud | to stay on topic here - it runs on kfreebsd. :) |
| 13:32.39 | bassliner | and seriously, i can't understand how ppl get into endless discussions about removing icons in panel menus while they could fix year old known bugs that annoy a majority of users. |
| 13:32.46 | bassliner | nvm, bbl. |
| 13:32.55 | zeugma | has anybody had anny luck getting a verizon evdo usb device working on their laptop/netbook? |
| 13:33.00 | nsadmin | I wouldn't say anything, but I personally find the discussion annoying as you're assuming you know how and what someone thinks |
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| 13:33.52 | cantido | with desktops everyone thinks their opinion is right(tm) |
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| 13:34.20 | nsadmin | opinions are like assholes... |
| 13:34.24 | nsadmin | everyone's got one |
| 13:34.30 | jordanm | which they can, with the wide variety of configurable choices |
| 13:34.48 | PinkFreud | jordanm: and you're oversimplifying. gnome does not directly interface with any kernel. libraries, yes. |
| 13:35.09 | PinkFreud | does libc use kernel functionality? sure. go yell at the libc devs. |
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| 13:35.55 | jordanm | PinkFreud: wouldn't be suprised if that gnome-vfs or w/e interfaces directly with fuse |
| 13:36.03 | Jafet | Hmpff |
| 13:36.25 | cantido | jordanm: as long as the fuse api doesn't change the gnome devs don't have to worry |
| 13:36.37 | Jafet | I put the installer CD on a USB drive and it boots, but it won't install since it can't find a CD-ROM... |
| 13:36.40 | PinkFreud | it may. do you remember what fuse stands for? |
| 13:36.50 | PinkFreud | Filesystem in USErspace |
| 13:36.51 | jordanm | Jafet: did you follow the install guide? |
| 13:37.02 | cantido | jordanm: linus' isn't going to block fuse commits because he doesn't like how gnome's user interface works.. that would be retarded |
| 13:37.03 | Jafet | jordanm: which one? |
| 13:37.13 | PinkFreud | while there is a kernel component to fuse, it's not presented to gnome |
| 13:37.23 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 13:37.23 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.5) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 13:37.39 | nsadmin | probably THE install guide |
| 13:37.50 | PinkFreud | once again, gnome does not talk to any kernel directly. it's not linux or *bsd-specific. |
| 13:37.52 | jordanm | !tell Jafet about usb install |
| 13:38.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Jafet: usb install i slightly different |
| 13:38.19 | jpinx-eeepc | *is |
| 13:38.23 | jordanm | but still covered in the install guide |
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| 13:38.45 | cantido | PinkFreud: there are probably some backends that talk to linux specific apis such as alsa |
| 13:38.52 | Jafet | Okay. I didn't notice this install guide earlier, somehow |
| 13:39.01 | cantido | PinkFreud: but I don't think linus is going to intentially break stuff to annoy them |
| 13:39.26 | cantido | s/intentially/intentionally/ |
| 13:39.56 | PinkFreud | sure, there probably are - but again, only in userspace. :) |
| 13:40.16 | PinkFreud | and they're not required for gnome to run. |
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| 13:40.53 | PinkFreud | and yes, you're right - linus won't break stuff intentionally just to piss off gnome devs. |
| 13:40.54 | cantido | I don't think the gnome devs are thinking "on noes linus poo pooed are design, he's going to remove major api's that thousands of other applications use just to spite us" |
| 13:41.06 | cantido | s/are/our/ |
| 13:41.07 | PinkFreud | heh |
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| 13:43.49 | nsadmin | linus doesn't even get into libc, or does he? |
| 13:44.18 | PinkFreud | nsadmin: couldn't tell you |
| 13:44.22 | cantido | glibc is managed by the most anal dev on the planet IIRC |
| 13:44.35 | cantido | hence debian switched over to a fork |
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| 13:45.32 | unomi | is there a disk based editor around? |
| 13:45.41 | unomi | one that doesn't try to load the whole file into mem |
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| 13:45.58 | unomi | just need to add a line at the start and end of a text file |
| 13:46.08 | cantido | unomi: it will be disk based once it files your memory and starts swapping out |
| 13:46.08 | nsadmin | cat |
| 13:46.22 | cantido | fills |
| 13:46.39 | rking | unomi: ed |
| 13:46.42 | unomi | cantido, yeah, but no reason to process a 400mb file to mem to add 2 lines |
| 13:47.06 | rking | Actually, I think you have to process exactly 400mb of the 400mb file to add a line at the start. |
| 13:47.11 | nsadmin | unomi: (echo "start line"; cat file; echo "end line") > file.tmp |
| 13:47.25 | cantido | rking: unless there is some filesystem cleverness |
| 13:47.27 | unomi | nsadmin: exactly, thanks! |
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| 13:47.34 | nooper | appending to the end can be quick, but adding lines to the start means rewriting the whole file, right? |
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| 13:47.47 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin, it doesn't use zero-copy anyway, so you're reading it all into mem |
| 13:48.11 | cantido | you just won't have it all in memory at the same time |
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| 13:48.36 | rking | cantido: Yeah, that's possible... but I imagine that cleverness would lead to a bunch of fragmentation and unused portions of sectors |
| 13:48.38 | nsadmin | it should do the job for him |
| 13:48.43 | rking | nooper: Exactly. |
| 13:48.51 | thewanderer1 | yes, Kate doesn't load the whole file either :D |
| 13:49.31 | cantido | rking: if you had an application the always needed to do stuff like that you wouldn't store the data in one massive file of ascii i suppose ;) |
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| 13:50.35 | rking | cantido: Totally. |
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| 13:54.19 | martianlobster | what package contains the source code for c lib functions like recv and send? |
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| 13:58.24 | nsadmin | , versions libc6 |
| 13:58.26 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
| 13:58.50 | nsadmin | is that the fork? |
| 13:59.57 | Robinux | hey guys, where can i find a list of debian repositories, (i'm new to linux) |
| 14:00.03 | jelly | martianlobster: recv and send are syscalls |
| 14:00.34 | babilen | !tell Robinux about mirrors |
| 14:00.46 | Robinux | ncie |
| 14:00.47 | jelly | martianlobster: why do you need the source/ |
| 14:00.48 | Robinux | nice |
| 14:01.09 | babilen | you are welcome :) |
| 14:01.45 | Robinux | thank you very much |
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| 14:04.48 | martianlobster | jelly: I was thinking about writing inlined versions of the functions |
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| 14:07.13 | jelly | martianlobster: having in mind they're actually system calls, to what purpose? |
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| 14:07.51 | martianlobster | I am working on this high speed network app |
| 14:08.09 | martianlobster | I am thinking I could shave a few microseconds by inlineing the function calls |
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| 14:10.08 | rvsjoen | does the application work ? did you profile it ? |
| 14:10.23 | jelly | profiling is for sissies |
| 14:10.54 | rvsjoen | so i've heard |
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| 14:11.06 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 14:11.45 | rvsjoen | there's no point in spending alot of time optimizing anything before A. you know the stuff works, B. you've identified the bottlenecks |
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| 14:12.45 | martianlobster | <---- starting to write the profiling code now |
| 14:12.46 | martianlobster | u are correct |
| 14:12.47 | LemensTS | anyone got a link to running a script in screen via init.d? |
| 14:12.57 | LemensTS | im having trouble finding infoon this in google |
| 14:13.08 | rvsjoen | use gprof, or oprofile, or something like that |
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| 14:13.30 | martianlobster | I have used gprof a lot, I have never heard of oprofile |
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| 14:13.49 | rvsjoen | oprofile is very powerful |
| 14:14.21 | martianlobster | I will check it out |
| 14:14.29 | martianlobster | thanks for the heads up |
| 14:14.56 | rvsjoen | last I heard gprof wasn't too useful with multithreaded apps, but that may have changed |
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| 14:18.50 | Robinux | !triggers |
| 14:18.50 | dpkg | triggers are so mIRCish |
| 14:18.55 | Robinux | right |
| 14:18.59 | Robinux | !cmds |
| 14:19.07 | Robinux | !commands |
| 14:19.08 | dpkg | well, commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 14:19.20 | Robinux | !help |
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| 14:29.26 | nsadmin | Robinux what are you looking for |
| 14:29.55 | Robinux | lol nothing really, but i just wanna know what commands the bot takes :D |
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| 14:31.22 | streuner_ | as a first start: infobot.org |
| 14:32.09 | jelly | !tell Robinux about your factoids |
| 14:32.24 | Robinux | loooool |
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| 14:32.26 | Robinux | nice |
| 14:32.45 | jelly | !tell Robinux about msg the bot |
| 14:32.49 | jelly | !tell Robinux about lol |
| 14:33.00 | jelly | there, that's about it ;-) |
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| 14:33.26 | nsadmin | !Robinux |
| 14:33.26 | dpkg | one curious dude... he was just poking me! help! |
| 14:33.30 | Robinux | "hahaha" |
| 14:33.31 | Robinux | :P |
| 14:33.40 | Robinux | thanks jelly :) |
| 14:34.17 | Robinux | you can do !"names" |
| 14:34.32 | Robinux | !nsadmin |
| 14:34.54 | Robinux | uh what does ns stand for :D |
| 14:35.03 | nsadmin | NaviServ |
| 14:35.09 | nsadmin | aka aolserver |
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| 14:36.36 | Robinux | cool |
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| 14:49.54 | zeugma | my pantech usb modem isn't being recognized as a tty device, does any one know what kernel module I might try loading? |
| 14:50.19 | dalias | maybe it's a sound card? ;-) |
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| 14:50.50 | jelly | zeugma: what's its usbid? |
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| 14:53.31 | zeugma | jelly: looks like 106c:3b05 |
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| 14:54.41 | zeugma | jelly: yeah, vendor = 0x106c, product = 0x3b05 |
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| 14:59.36 | zeugma | the conventional wisdom (google, ubuntu forums) seems to indicate that cdc_acm is the module in question, but when I load it its still a no go. 'dmesg | grep tty' returns nothing except the initial tty0 line. |
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| 14:59.55 | karlpinc | zeugma: What version of debian? |
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| 15:01.09 | karlpinc | zeugma: If lenny then try a newer kernel from backports.org. |
| 15:01.13 | RedSky32 | is gnome in debian lighter then the one in ubuntu? |
| 15:01.27 | zeugma | I'm running unstable with kernel version 2.6.32-5 |
| 15:01.33 | frostschutz | it's wiser |
| 15:01.47 | RedSky32 | cause ubuntu was very slow on my machine |
| 15:01.52 | RedSky32 | probably due to some graphics card issues |
| 15:01.57 | Bushmills | RedSky32: you might want to ask yourself whether gnome on ubuntu is heavier than gnome in debian, for an answer |
| 15:01.59 | RedSky32 | but debian + xfce works perfect |
| 15:02.10 | zeugma | debian + xfce is what I use as well |
| 15:02.20 | RedSky32 | but i am trying to make xfce look like gnome .... sooo |
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| 15:02.51 | PinkFreud | if gnome runs slowly on your machine on ubuntu, it'll likely run slowly under debian as well. |
| 15:03.01 | RedSky32 | i am using xdm right now, is gdm that much heavier? |
| 15:03.16 | RedSky32 | even xfce on ubuntu is not something i would call good |
| 15:03.25 | RedSky32 | they really have the intel graphics all messed up or something |
| 15:03.31 | PinkFreud | gdm is merely a login manager, nothing more. |
| 15:03.44 | RedSky32 | still takes up quite a bit of ram doesn't it ? |
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| 15:04.26 | PinkFreud | RedSky32: not much, compared to gnome itself. |
| 15:04.44 | thewanderer1 | RedSky32, a lot if you don't use GNOME |
| 15:04.46 | PinkFreud | if you can't run gdm, you're highly unlikely to be able to run xfce. |
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| 15:05.03 | RedSky32 | PinkFreud, its not that bad :P |
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| 15:05.14 | RedSky32 | p4 3 ghz blah |
| 15:05.18 | thewanderer1 | RedSky32, it loads a lot of GTK libraries, but if you use other GTK apps, you won't norice that |
| 15:05.21 | RedSky32 | i broke my i5 laptop |
| 15:05.24 | PinkFreud | RedSky32: how much memory? |
| 15:05.27 | RedSky32 | 1 gb |
| 15:05.32 | RedSky32 | this is very temporary |
| 15:05.36 | PinkFreud | that should be sufficient to run gnome. |
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| 15:06.04 | RedSky32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.04 | PinkFreud | I won't say your desktop experience will be amazing, but it should work without much issue |
| 15:06.08 | RedSky32 | debian*( |
| 15:06.31 | Bushmills | i run gdm + xfce on a 512 MiB machine, after boot and login, about 140 MiB are in use |
| 15:06.37 | abrotman | PinkFreud: FWIW, you can run a 'slimmer' gnome |
| 15:06.44 | PinkFreud | abrotman: oh? |
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| 15:07.04 | abrotman | PinkFreud: the full gnome has a lot of extra services .. you can run a basic one, i did for quite awhile |
| 15:07.06 | LemensTS | i start screen with: screen -dmS screenname /script i want to kill it by: screen -X -S screenname kill but it wont do it unless i attach to the screen at least 1 time |
| 15:07.19 | LemensTS | and then detach out of it |
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| 15:08.18 | RedSky32 | slackware used to have the best kde and gnome |
| 15:08.28 | RedSky32 | both always ran so fast, quite amazing |
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| 15:08.39 | RedSky32 | that guy spent months on each package making sure they did |
| 15:09.16 | RedSky32 | one reason slax got so popular i think, a slax with kde ran better then kubuntu at the time |
| 15:09.33 | PinkFreud | abrotman: handy. |
| 15:09.53 | RedSky32 | one thing i still have not got used to is grub, i was a lilo man all the way |
| 15:10.04 | aiyu | hii all, please help me set up kde. i installed kde using synaptic , but it happened to be kde 3. please help me setup latest kde |
| 15:10.33 | RedSky32 | aiyu, save yourself the time and just use kde3 :) |
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| 15:11.57 | aiyu | :) , why ? is it unstable? |
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| 15:12.29 | RedSky32 | aiyu, i dont think it will ever be stable |
| 15:12.38 | RedSky32 | just wait for kde5 :) |
| 15:12.39 | aiyu | :) |
| 15:12.42 | RedSky32 | brb |
| 15:12.48 | aiyu | how long will it take? |
| 15:12.57 | Bushmills | about as long as a string is |
| 15:13.05 | babilen | aiyu: KDE4 is not available for Lenny AFAIK |
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| 15:16.39 | babilen | aiyu: You would have to "upgrade" to Squeeze in order to get KDE4, but that entails a number of other problems which I don't think you want to face right now. If you *really* need KDE4 Kubuntu might be a better option. |
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| 15:17.11 | babilen | But that also depends on the amount of time you are willing to spend with your computer and how willing you are to learn things about Debian and Linux |
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| 15:20.27 | jelly | "if you have hours-weeks to lose tuning the computer instead of doing useful things with it, install debian testing and its KDE4" |
| 15:20.38 | Bushmills | debootstrapping an etch, and running a chrooted kde4 could be an option |
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| 15:20.55 | Bushmills | especially as that won't mess up the existing setup |
| 15:21.19 | jelly | Bushmills: s/etch/squeeze/? Have you tried running a whole DE from a chroot? |
| 15:21.21 | Bushmills | ehm. squeeze, io mean |
| 15:21.39 | Bushmills | jelly, yes, don |
| 15:21.40 | Bushmills | e |
| 15:22.05 | jelly | weirdo. |
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| 15:22.21 | babilen | hehe |
| 15:22.23 | jelly | I won't ask about the reasons. |
| 15:22.25 | Bushmills | thank you |
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| 15:23.32 | Bushmills | but not as weird as running a root file system on an usb stick over nfs, connected to a wlan router |
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| 15:24.06 | thewanderer1 | I'm already running root filesystem over NFS |
| 15:24.15 | thewanderer1 | but to an Atom x86 server |
| 15:24.27 | jelly | that's just a peecee |
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| 15:28.04 | project2501a | hey guys, there's this DNA sequence assembler used in bioinformatics. I just made a debian package and i would like to suggest it be included in the main distro |
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| 15:28.09 | project2501a | how do i go about it? |
| 15:28.15 | project2501a | it's GPL |
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| 15:28.54 | petemc | !wnpp |
| 15:28.55 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp . Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 15:29.37 | Blackvel | is there any good rss reader for debian which also sends the feed to postfix/zarafa inbox? |
| 15:29.38 | cfdisk | for me to record everything in a $ LOG including mistakes, I use>> $ LOG 2> $ LOG_ERR where he writes all the exits right at $ LOG and outputs that contains error in $ LOG_ERR ? |
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| 15:30.15 | babilen | !tell project2501a -about mentors |
| 15:30.19 | project2501a | danke |
| 15:30.41 | babilen | project2501a: They will get you started and you find the right persons there to get your package sponsored |
| 15:30.54 | babilen | project2501a: and: "Kein Problem :)" |
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| 15:33.49 | cusco | hi |
| 15:34.03 | cusco | /dev/null is not a character device! |
| 15:34.08 | cusco | how do I fix it? |
| 15:34.12 | RedSky32 | hmm |
| 15:34.48 | RedSky32 | would any gnome user happen to know the name of this gtk2 theme? http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/127730-3.png like i have the theme install but i am just getting bare gtk with the correct colors leads me to believe i dont have a needed engine |
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| 15:36.47 | cusco | how do I re create /dev/null ? |
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| 15:37.07 | petemc | man 4 null |
| 15:37.24 | cusco | thanks |
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| 15:37.33 | petemc | np |
| 15:37.48 | thewanderer1 | if you ask me, man 4 null should display a blank page. |
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| 15:37.56 | erry | How can i disable rsyslog from sending wall messages? |
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| 15:40.32 | PinkFreud | erry: you don't. you need to configure klog. |
| 15:40.41 | erry | PinkFreud: oh. |
| 15:40.48 | PinkFreud | erry: man klogd |
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| 15:41.59 | PinkFreud | erry: then take a look at /etc/default/klogd :) |
| 15:42.37 | erry | ok |
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| 15:42.46 | erry | so i remove rsyslog and install klog|? |
| 15:42.50 | LemensTS | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.51 | PinkFreud | erry: no. |
| 15:43.12 | erry | oh |
| 15:43.24 | PinkFreud | erry: you *have* klogd. read the man page for it, then add any relevant args to /etc/default/klogd |
| 15:43.35 | PinkFreud | do not remove rsyslog. |
| 15:43.43 | erry | PinkFreud: it says there's no docs for klogd in man |
| 15:44.02 | PinkFreud | does /etc/default/klogd exist? |
| 15:44.12 | erry | no |
| 15:44.42 | PinkFreud | erry: how did you install debian? klogd should be there by default. |
| 15:44.54 | erry | PinkFreud: i diidn't install it my webhost did |
| 15:45.21 | petemc | i dont have it on a standard lenny install |
| 15:45.55 | PinkFreud | apt-get hmmm. |
| 15:46.02 | erry | i installed it |
| 15:46.02 | erry | :p |
| 15:46.05 | jelly | erry, PinkFreud: in fresh Debian 5.0 installations, rsyslog is used in place of syslogd and klogd. /etc/default/klogd won't be present |
| 15:46.12 | erry | -_-' |
| 15:46.15 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 15:46.16 | erry | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.20 | erry | oops |
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| 15:47.58 | jelly | !printk |
| 15:47.58 | dpkg | well, printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 15:48.50 | jelly | but that's not wall-like, it's mostly just for logging at the console |
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| 15:52.27 | jelly | erry: the only thing rsyslog walls to everyone (by default) is *.emerg |
| 15:53.59 | aiyu | babilen: ohh.... thanks. kubuntu wouldnt do good with my lap unfortunately. it overheats my lap... some prob with acpi |
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| 15:56.42 | cusco | cd php |
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| 15:58.14 | Bushmills | cusco@box:~/php$ |
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| 16:08.53 | cusco | Bushmills: hehe, my mistake /meant /j |
| 16:10.08 | userrlc | Can someone explain me why there's no policykit package in debian testing repo ? |
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| 16:11.41 | thewanderer1 | ,versions policykit-1 |
| 16:11.43 | judd | policykit-1 -- sid: 0.96-2; squeeze: 0.96-2 |
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| 16:12.09 | artagnon | What's wrong with my xrandr? I have two monitors plugged into my motherboard; one via DPI and another via HDMI. http://pastie.org/1052234 -- my HDMI monitor isn't coming on. |
| 16:12.22 | userrlc | polkit-1 is not policykit |
| 16:12.31 | userrlc | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/policykit |
| 16:13.09 | userrlc | there's one for sid but not for sqeeze |
| 16:13.39 | tharkun | Gentlemen, Good evening, i setted up apt-cacher-ng to replace apt-cacher it gives me a 404 on all repos that worked with apt-cacher Am i missing something? |
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| 16:17.41 | nameless` | hi |
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| 16:19.11 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, what repos? |
| 16:19.33 | thewanderer1 | make sure you are using the correct URL, for instance I use http://homeserver.local:9999/ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 16:20.21 | nameless` | i am installing debian on my server and i would like to use LVM on the whole disk but how can i manually add /, /home, swap etc with the debian installer ? |
| 16:20.41 | thewanderer1 | nameless`, you can add that, but how... I remember not |
| 16:20.45 | tharkun | thewanderer1: the ususar suspect http://192.168.100.5/ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/ apt-cacher-ng complains if i put the 3142 port number so i left it out |
| 16:20.48 | thewanderer1 | just dig around |
| 16:20.50 | nameless` | because the debian installer either choose LVM with only /home separated or manually partitionning where i cannot add my partition |
| 16:21.31 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, you need the port number I think, unless you got it on 80 |
| 16:21.34 | tharkun | nameless`: use manual configuration and fire up the lvm then set up each partition |
| 16:21.43 | thewanderer1 | nameless`, you can add partitions |
| 16:21.48 | thewanderer1 | it's under LVM setup I think |
| 16:21.49 | tharkun | thewanderer1: ok, i'll force it |
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| 16:21.54 | nameless` | tharkun, ah ? let me look at it |
| 16:22.00 | tharkun | thewanderer1: on apt-cacher you need it though |
| 16:22.14 | nameless` | tharkun, oh you're true ! i'm sorry didn't see that hum.. :) |
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| 16:24.01 | tharkun | thewanderer1: if i set port 3142 it gives me 403 |
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| 16:24.22 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, so you have misconfigured it somehow |
| 16:24.26 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, check file perms |
| 16:24.28 | nameless` | tharkun, what is the main advantage of having Logical Volume ? |
| 16:24.37 | nameless` | tharkun easy to resize ? |
| 16:24.42 | tharkun | yes |
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| 16:24.47 | nameless` | tharkun ok :) |
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| 16:26.09 | userrlc | where can I fix this policykit rule under debian to yes : /sbin/umount.hal: Unmounting /media/USB4GB failed: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others no <-- (privilege, result) |
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| 16:26.30 | jordanm | userrlc: is your user a member of plugdev? |
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| 16:30.20 | userrlc | jordanm : Yes |
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| 16:31.51 | userrlc | jordanm, : plugdev:x:46:guillaume,melodie guillaume is the current user account for the gnome session |
| 16:31.55 | jordanm | userrlc: what version of debian? |
| 16:32.05 | jordanm | userrlc: if you have recently added, you must relog |
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| 16:32.22 | mms_ | any one knows what channel to go to ask how ps command will report java heap and stack settings ? |
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| 16:32.33 | userrlc | jordanm, Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-15) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-1) ) #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:34:03 UTC 2010 |
| 16:32.36 | jordanm | mms_: #java? |
| 16:32.47 | mms_ | jordanm: its by invite only ! |
| 16:33.08 | jordanm | userrlc: alright, so its narrowed down to squeeze, sid, or lenny-backports |
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| 16:33.35 | userrlc | jordanm, it's sqeeze repository |
| 16:33.44 | mms_ | I guess its generic question if any one is true savvy with unix ps and memory |
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| 16:34.03 | jordanm | userrlc: I assume the error is when trying to unmount via the gui? |
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| 16:36.12 | userrlc | jordanm : when mounting a bug exist too because the device is mounted with any permissions displayed in the property window. And yes if I force the umount as root then I can mount the devise with the user account with a double click, then the permissions are given to the current user of gnome session |
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| 16:36.45 | userrlc | not with any but without |
| 16:36.47 | mms_ | if eth0 is not getting configured on boot due to unplugged cable and sky2 driver is still showing up in lsmod what can be done to configure eth0 ? |
| 16:37.06 | jordanm | mms_: use auto eth0 instead of hotplug eth0 |
| 16:37.38 | jordanm | userrlc: I would have a look at the bug tracker |
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| 16:38.47 | mms_ | jordanm: if cable is plugged I have network-manager setup and then it can detect cable plug/unplug and it handles it but just that on startup it cannot handle. |
| 16:39.12 | jordanm | mms_: I don't use network-manager so I can't comment |
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| 16:39.31 | tharkun | mms_: still having problems with your cable not connected upon start up? |
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| 16:39.47 | moldovean | mms_: still having problems with your cable ? |
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| 16:40.38 | mms_ | moldovean: yep. it did not fix. as I said yesterday if I have cable plugged in and my interfaces file all empty with just lo lines it works fine. network-manager sets things up fine. |
| 16:40.52 | thewanderer1 | mms_, do you have power cables running close to your NIC? |
| 16:41.14 | mms_ | moldovean: so that is bit of pain. I have to ensure the cable is plugged on startup then all works well. |
| 16:41.26 | mms_ | thewanderer1: no |
| 16:41.34 | mms_ | thewanderer1: why ? |
| 16:41.59 | mms_ | thewanderer1: in fact there is atleast 1 feet distance |
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| 16:42.20 | mms_ | thewanderer1: may be 2 feet |
| 16:42.23 | thewanderer1 | mms_, interference does sometimes cause strange network errors |
| 16:42.34 | thewanderer1 | I've had my dose |
| 16:43.08 | mms_ | thewanderer1: as I said if cable is plugged in all works fine. eth0 is configured. But should not I be able to configure eth0 as such ? |
| 16:43.25 | mms_ | even if eth0 does not configure on boot up why cannot I do it later ? |
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| 16:43.43 | thewanderer1 | mms_, are you running network-manager on a server? |
| 16:44.15 | tharkun | thinks not as it would not be restarted as frequently as mms_ has done |
| 16:45.04 | thewanderer1 | mms_, in what way are you not able to configure eth0? |
| 16:45.07 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's not interference or anything going wrong, he just doesn't understand and accept the limits of configuration. |
| 16:45.10 | mms_ | thewanderer1: its my netbook / personal m/c |
| 16:45.17 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha |
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| 16:46.05 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: limits of configuration ? you mean one has to plug in cable on boot ? can't people forget that or not be in time before they power up ? |
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| 16:47.32 | moldovean | mms_, so, file a bug about it , "can't people forget cable ? " |
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| 16:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | hotplug works just fine, there's no bug. |
| 16:48.26 | jhutchins_lt | He just doesn't accept how the configuration works. He thinks a non-existant connection should automatically be configured in case he wants it. |
| 16:48.55 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: I have on board ethernet....here people have tossed between auto and hotplug and none have worked for me ...all require cable on boot |
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| 16:50.02 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: windows is able to detect the lan cable even after boot....I am hoping we get that in debian too... |
| 16:50.11 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 16:50.26 | jelly | mms_: that'd be too useful! |
| 16:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Plenty of people have explained how it works to you, and what you need to do to fix it, and why it works the way it does, yet you keep presenting it here as a problem. It's not a problem, it's the way it works. |
| 16:51.00 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: you mean its really a limitation ? |
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| 16:51.37 | jhutchins_lt | It works just fine if you configure it correctly, or you can enable it manually by restarting networking after connecting the cable, or you can manage it with a network manager applet. |
| 16:51.56 | jhutchins_lt | It's not a limitation. It's not a problem. |
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| 16:52.12 | Quibus | hi all |
| 16:52.21 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: having to do anything manually is arguably a problem. |
| 16:52.23 | Quibus | My log is full of lines like this: [25476.904013] usb 1-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 |
| 16:52.34 | Quibus | How do I find out which device it is? |
| 16:53.19 | jhutchins_lt | "Ow, the stove is hot!" Yes, that's because it's a stove. It's supposed to be hot. |
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| 16:53.39 | thewanderer1 | out of curiosity, what was his problem? |
| 16:53.55 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: mms? |
| 16:53.55 | thewanderer1 | I thought ifconfig up eth0 can solve anything |
| 16:53.59 | moldovean | Quibus, google your error |
| 16:54.07 | jordanm | thewanderer1: ifup eth0 |
| 16:54.24 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: He expects his eth0 to be autoconfigured if he boots without the cable being connected. |
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| 16:54.31 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha |
| 16:54.37 | jordanm | ls |
| 16:54.38 | thewanderer1 | with n-m it is so :P |
| 16:54.41 | Quibus | moldovean: I don't have an external drive on USB, most are about that |
| 16:55.02 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I just have mine configured to hotplug and it works fine. |
| 16:55.16 | thewanderer1 | nice too :P |
| 16:55.42 | jhutchins_lt | I don't know if he's running an unstable release where that doesn't work, or if he has hardware that doesn't support it, but he keeps trying to address it by forcing the configuration when the connection isn't there, and that's not how it works. |
| 16:56.05 | Quibus | ah, it's my card reader |
| 16:56.13 | Quibus | but there's no card in it |
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| 16:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: Is hald_addon_storage scanning it? |
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| 16:57.33 | Quibus | jhutchins_lt: how can I tell? |
| 16:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | ps ax | grep hal |
| 16:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | I think that's at the USB device level though, not at the storage device level. |
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| 16:58.22 | moldovean | Quibus, google say update your "usb_something" .. |
| 16:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | You might want to disable the driver for it unless you need it. |
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| 16:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: Which kernel are you running? |
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| 16:59.05 | Quibus | jhutchins_lt: latest stock kernel in testing, 2.6.32 |
| 16:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: Ah, well, testing. |
| 17:00.06 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: Testing often has extra monitoring/debugging enabled. |
| 17:01.04 | Quibus | jhutchins_lt: anyway, I can't see if hald-addon-storage is polling it, it lists devices but I have no idea which devices are of that card reader |
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| 17:02.50 | Quibus | Another thing: does someone use the non-free flashplugin? Since I installed the 32-bit version, I have sometimes 'hanging' sound: the same fragment of sound keeps repeating itself over and over |
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| 17:03.29 | nsadmin | I get that too under iceweasel |
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| 17:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | I get that if I've had it open for too long, I just close all the iceweasel windows and restart it. |
| 17:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | Not sure if it's happening on 3.5.10 though. |
| 17:05.02 | Quibus | I never saw it with the 64 bit plugin |
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| 17:06.06 | moldovean | i get same " repeating itself " saond |
| 17:07.04 | moldovean | i get same " repeating itself " sound on 32 (lenny) too on audacious + vlc reading net connections |
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| 17:10.22 | moldovean | that make me go to ..squeeze now i get neon: <0x94c2048> Buffer underrun, trying rebuffering on audacious + vlc reading net connections .. |
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| 17:16.18 | fxiny | watches an eucaliptus falling from the clouds |
| 17:16.54 | fxiny | nasa on register.uk ;) |
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| 17:22.48 | Kurlon | Afternoon all. Got an odd one, I'm working on a cluster of old etch systems I've inherited. Before I do anything to them I want to get backups functioning, so I've installed amanda-client. It seems to work save for one wierd snafu... amanda runs as user backup. backup is a member of group disk, and it's via that group membership that amanda/backup accesses devices to perform dumps. For some odd reason, backup can't access anyt |
| 17:23.52 | abrotman | Kurlon: you got cut off |
| 17:23.58 | abrotman | For some odd reason, backup can't access anyt |
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| 17:25.17 | nsadmin | it seems like unless it's running as root it wouldn't be able to copy everything |
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| 17:27.50 | Kurlon | Oh, cute, so user backup can't access anything set to group disk with group having rw permissions |
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| 17:29.54 | jelly-home | dunno how amanda does it these days, but in my days the client used to run as root |
| 17:30.22 | Kurlon | the box is acting like backup isn't a member of group disk |
| 17:30.45 | jelly-home | is he? |
| 17:30.51 | nsadmin | maybe you have to bite the bullet and run the client as root |
| 17:30.52 | fxiny | amanda wiki "Do not run Amanda as the root user." |
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| 17:31.31 | Kurlon | according to /etc/group backup is a member of disk, and nsswitch.conf has group set to compat |
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| 17:31.44 | jelly-home | fxiny: well, something has to traverse the filesystem |
| 17:31.55 | stayb | why cant i use the command "visudo" ? command not found... |
| 17:32.01 | stayb | debian 5.5 lenny |
| 17:32.03 | fxiny | jelly-home: i was googling for some setuid and i fopund that |
| 17:32.12 | jordanm | stayb: is sudo installed? are you root? |
| 17:32.47 | jelly-home | jordanm: there seems to be an awful lot of people managing to become root, but without the proper PATH |
| 17:33.08 | jelly-home | !blame Canada |
| 17:33.09 | dpkg | blames pif and Canada for the end of the world as we know it |
| 17:33.09 | jordanm | jelly-home: don't see how, playin "su" updates PATH for me... |
| 17:33.21 | jelly-home | I don't see how either. |
| 17:33.24 | jordanm | don't even need to spawn a login session |
| 17:33.28 | stayb | ok other thin, how was the command to renew the IP ? |
| 17:33.34 | stayb | ifconfig up or sth |
| 17:33.46 | jelly-home | stayb: how did you fix the first issue, btw? |
| 17:34.00 | stayb | dont have sudo :x |
| 17:34.02 | jordanm | stayb: I could give you 5 different answers, and really, it depends on what you use and how its configured |
| 17:34.22 | fxiny | jelly-home: here it is "Running some programs as root, instead of the Amanda user, creates some files owned by root instead of the Amanda user" |
| 17:34.41 | Kurlon | hrrmmm... just added myself to disk, and I can't write to my test file. (Owned root:disk, 664 permissions) |
| 17:35.02 | Kurlon | wait, had to relogin, now I can |
| 17:35.09 | stayb | jordanm, one example is fair |
| 17:35.29 | babilen | Kurlon: You can also use "newgrp" if you don't want to logout/login |
| 17:35.38 | fxiny | Kurlon: not yet effective ? loggin out maybe ? |
| 17:35.38 | jordanm | stayb: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 17:35.50 | stayb | jordanm, thx a lot |
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| 17:36.59 | Kurlon | so group membership in disk works for me, not for user backup |
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| 17:38.05 | stayb | ok other prob. i need to configure eth0. I added the command "iface eth0 inet dhcp" so it should login automatically wiht the router? or how can i say, on every start up it will be login automatically? |
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| 17:38.20 | stayb | editet in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:41.15 | petemc | stayb: you should see a line beginning with auto in /etc/network/interfaces , you need to add eth0 to that line |
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| 17:44.57 | datacrusher | im having trouble here installing nvidia driver on a debian 64 installation. downloaded the driver from the site, and tryed the nv one, neither gets me more than 640x, can anyone help me? |
| 17:45.27 | granquet | Hi there, is there a tool that gives me the "current" kernel version for debian? kind of uname -r but looking at packages, not the currently running kernel? :o |
| 17:45.34 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher, use the Debian way |
| 17:45.53 | thewanderer1 | and you have to set your xorg.conf accordingly |
| 17:46.13 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10812 |
| 17:46.14 | Ex-Opesa | granquet: What do you mean? Do you want DEBS of current kernel? |
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| 17:46.30 | datacrusher | thanks thewanderer1 ill take alook |
| 17:46.55 | granquet | Ex-Opesa: kinda complicated, I need to install a file in /lib/modules... on the not yet running kernel :o |
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| 17:47.20 | datacrusher | thewanderer1, works both for 32 and 64 versions? |
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| 17:47.32 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher, yes |
| 17:48.14 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher, you should try nouveau too, for me on GF6100LE it works like a charm |
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| 17:50.19 | jelly-home | granquet: which file? is it a kernel module? |
| 17:50.31 | jelly-home | !tell granquet about m-a |
| 17:50.37 | granquet | jelly-home: yes :) |
| 17:50.39 | mdw11 | Hi people, I'm trying to upgrade an Ubuntu distro, but it can't find the .debs >.< Is there anything I can do? |
| 17:50.40 | mdw11 | http://pastie.textmate.org/1052383 |
| 17:50.57 | streuner_ | mdw11: #ubuntu |
| 17:51.07 | jelly-home | granquet: which one? |
| 17:51.10 | fxiny | wrong cloud :P |
| 17:51.16 | granquet | jelly-home: nvidia actually |
| 17:51.25 | jelly-home | granquet: then say so, dammit! |
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| 17:51.55 | jelly-home | granquet: m-a can be instructed to build modules for a particular installed kernel. |
| 17:52.02 | datacrusher | !nouveau |
| 17:52.02 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included; read its README.Debian to enable driver use. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 17:52.05 | granquet | jelly-home: yeah but no ... it's quite complicated, I'm generating an environment from scratch using chef and have to bypass the debian/nvidia-installer |
| 17:52.19 | datacrusher | !nvidia |
| 17:52.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:52.26 | granquet | yeah I know about nouveau, it doesn't have cuda support for my fermi cards |
| 17:53.51 | abrotman | granquet: dpkg -l 'linux-image*' .. only the 'ii' ones are installed |
| 17:53.53 | jelly-home | granquet: "have to bypass" sounds a bit suspicious. if you're building the modules manually, setting KSRC env.variable for make may or may not help |
| 17:54.23 | granquet | KSRC is /usr/src/linux |
| 17:54.31 | jelly-home | granquet: custom kernel? |
| 17:54.36 | granquet | or doesn't debian install the kernels in there? :-/ |
| 17:54.48 | granquet | *suddenly remembers why he hates debian* |
| 17:54.50 | jelly-home | granquet: it definitely does not. |
| 17:55.02 | granquet | alright, then I'm screwed :P |
| 17:55.32 | jelly-home | granquet: you need to have build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed (or future equivalent of uname -r) |
| 17:55.56 | granquet | yeah I do (well, I should have, somewhere) |
| 17:56.09 | jelly-home | so what's the problem |
| 17:56.15 | granquet | uname -r |
| 17:56.32 | granquet | the kernel isn't running atm, I'm with another one |
| 17:56.34 | jelly-home | you're not using it, having KSRC set. |
| 17:56.53 | granquet | yeah right, just have to guess KSRC |
| 17:57.00 | jelly-home | granquet: can you pastebin the actual commands failing at their output? Why guess? |
| 17:57.15 | stayb | when im typing aptitude install links or lynx it says its already installed, but i cant open it with "links" or "lynx" .. it says command not found why? |
| 17:57.24 | jelly-home | granquet: it's right there in each kernel package name |
| 17:57.25 | granquet | jelly-home: no commands issued yet, I'm writing a chef recipe |
| 17:57.36 | jelly-home | granquet: blindly? |
| 17:57.43 | granquet | kinda :P |
| 17:57.51 | Ex-Opesa | stayb: you installed lynx with aptitude? |
| 17:57.55 | granquet | making it work for multiple distros actually |
| 17:58.01 | jelly-home | granquet: I mean, wtf, there's nothing stopping to try things out first on your destination debian release |
| 17:58.11 | stayb | Ex-Opesa, y why not? |
| 17:58.31 | fxiny | links or lynx not found ? again a missing symlink ? |
| 17:58.33 | stayb | Ex-Opesa, i want to install but it says it is already |
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| 17:58.47 | Ex-Opesa | stayb: try to type "ldconfig" as root and/or try "whereis lynx" |
| 17:58.57 | granquet | jelly-home: I mean, do I have to try out on 20 different distros and loose 3hours on each or just make something that may work and fix afterwards? :o |
| 17:59.30 | jelly-home | granquet: 20 different distros? Sounds like an environment from hell. |
| 17:59.48 | granquet | I'm over-exagerating of course :) |
| 17:59.51 | stayb | Ex-Opesa, no effect, "whereis liny" "lynx:" |
| 18:00.03 | jelly-home | granquet: and yes you're going to do exactly that, you're going to have to test, fix and verify it all anyway. |
| 18:00.15 | stayb | Ex-Opesa, ldconfig , nothing happens by tipping |
| 18:00.32 | Ex-Opesa | stayb: Thats fine, now try to run "lynx" |
| 18:00.46 | jelly-home | granquet: that's what infrastructure building is all about! :-D |
| 18:00.46 | fxiny | stayb: type : file /usr/bin/lynx.cur |
| 18:01.22 | stayb | Ex-Opesa, command not found.. |
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| 18:01.26 | granquet | jelly-home: I'd rather do something that works on first hand and fix the distros that doesn't comply with the "what I expected" things |
| 18:01.27 | stayb | fxiny, file? |
| 18:01.44 | fxiny | stayb: yes : file /usr/bin/lynx.cur |
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| 18:02.27 | stayb | fxiny, command not found, |
| 18:02.28 | jelly-home | granquet: which distros and releases are you building for exactly? |
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| 18:02.48 | granquet | jelly-home: debian/ubuntu, gentoo and scientific linux |
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| 18:03.33 | Ex-Opesa | stayb: For me, the original file location is /etc/alternatives/lynx |
| 18:03.49 | jelly-home | granquet: debian and its derivatives are going to be somewhat similar. Gentoo is its own story, and so is RHEL or its clone you mention. |
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| 18:05.04 | jelly-home | granquet: RHEL keeps its headers in eg. /usr/src/kernels/2.6.18-164.11.1.el5-x86_64 |
| 18:05.09 | hello | hello can any one tell me what they see on this webpage http://117.254.38.224/ |
| 18:05.38 | jelly-home | granquet: and I bet Gentoo is going to do something different as well. So, revise your expectations or don't hold them in too high regard. |
| 18:05.42 | fxiny | stayb: it should say cannot open |
| 18:05.44 | stayb | i dont understand... it says lynx or links is already installed, but id doesnt exist a directory or else |
| 18:05.56 | stayb | the directories not exist! |
| 18:05.56 | nooper | hello: ERROR 500: Internal Server Error |
| 18:06.00 | AimHere | hello: 500 Internal Server Error |
| 18:06.05 | nooper | i win |
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| 18:06.11 | AimHere | Bah |
| 18:06.12 | fxiny | stayb: or /usr/bin/lynx.cur: ELF 32-bit LSB executable |
| 18:06.18 | hello | really ? |
| 18:06.45 | stayb | fxiny, after /bin/ lynx does not exist |
| 18:06.55 | Bushmills | stayb: execute "which lynx" |
| 18:07.06 | jelly-home | hello: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 18:07.16 | hello | yes |
| 18:07.23 | hello | its debian server |
| 18:07.36 | jelly-home | hello: inspect its web server logs. |
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| 18:07.48 | Bushmills | hello: what's the problem |
| 18:08.05 | jelly-home | Bushmills: apart from his server giving out a 500 error? |
| 18:08.07 | hello | kinndly tell me please isee blank page when i use php index |
| 18:08.13 | hello | and with html it works fine |
| 18:08.14 | fxiny | stayb: lynx is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/lynx which is a symlink to /usr/bin/lynx.cur . i want to know if you have /usr/bin/lynx.cur , that's why the command 'file /usr/bin/lynx.cur' |
| 18:08.43 | hello | you really sen that error ? |
| 18:08.48 | hello | or blankpage b4 ? |
| 18:08.52 | hello | seen* |
| 18:08.53 | jelly-home | stayb: to verify: what does the command "readlink -f /usr/bin/lynx" say. |
| 18:08.54 | stayb | fxiny, no i havent |
| 18:09.08 | fxiny | stayb: command not found means you don't have 'file' , type : man file |
| 18:09.37 | stayb | jelly-home, /usr/bin/lynx |
| 18:09.39 | jelly-home | stayb: also, ls -l /usr/bin/lynx |
| 18:09.45 | Bushmills | hello: errror 500 is probably due to a defective script |
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| 18:10.02 | Bushmills | cgi, php or similar |
| 18:10.15 | jelly-home | stayb: which debian release is this? dpkg -l libc6 lynx links |tail -3 |
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| 18:10.21 | hello | yes php script |
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| 18:10.24 | stayb | fxiny, no entry for file . And cant install file over aptitude |
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| 18:11.27 | jelly-home | stayb: paste the resulting three lines here as well. |
| 18:11.32 | stayb | jelly-home, 2-7-18lenny4 |
| 18:11.44 | jelly-home | stayb: can you not paste them exactly as-is? |
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| 18:13.22 | fxiny | hmmm , sources list ? |
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| 18:14.08 | fxiny | two or three days ago someonelse was complaining of some missing symlinks to update-alternatives |
| 18:14.29 | granquet | jelly-home: sorry, a restart of our switches happened :o |
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| 18:15.40 | fxiny | installing zsh |
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| 18:16.40 | fxiny | stayb: can you paste your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 18:16.40 | fxiny | !pastebin |
| 18:16.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
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| 18:16.44 | jelly-home | ,versions libcuda1 |
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| 18:16.44 | judd | libcuda1 -- sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4 |
| 18:16.44 | stayb | fxiny, i need to go in the web with lynx or else to do... |
| 18:16.48 | jelly-home | ,info libcuda1-dev |
| 18:16.50 | judd | No record of package 'libcuda1-dev' in lenny/i386. |
| 18:16.55 | jelly-home | ,info libcuda1-dev --release sid |
| 18:16.58 | judd | libcuda1-dev (non-free/libdevel, optional): NVIDIA CUDA development files. Version: 195.36.24-4; Size: 54.4k; Installed: 148k; Homepage: http://www.nvidia.com/CUDA |
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| 18:17.41 | fxiny | stayb: just paste one here like deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 18:18.21 | fxiny | stayb: or . use that one |
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| 18:23.13 | stayb | .deb http://security.debian.org/ lennny/updates main |
| 18:23.31 | stayb | .deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lennny/updates main |
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| 18:24.04 | stayb | deb http://volatile.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 18:24.10 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 18:24.11 | stayb | deb-src http://volatile.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 18:24.17 | stayb | so that was it fxiny |
| 18:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | !paste |
| 18:24.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 18:24.56 | johnfg | I'm not able to use vnc to my debian system unless I'm logged on to it. |
| 18:25.06 | fxiny | stayb: it's me or you are missing the good one ? |
| 18:25.15 | johnfg | That's neither convenient, nor necessarily safe. |
| 18:25.31 | jelly-home | stayb: you are missing a normal mirror. Add what fxiny said to that file, a line with "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" |
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| 18:26.16 | johnfg | Is there a way to have the vncserver let me do remote login even if not logged in at the home system? |
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| 18:26.43 | jelly-home | johnfg: that's how vnc on unix normally works. One typically runs either a separate X server embedded in vncserver, or uses something like x11vnc with a session logged in locally. |
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| 18:26.57 | jelly-home | johnfg: for "remote login" we use ssh. |
| 18:27.03 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: Yes, it's documented on the vnc homepage. |
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| 18:27.28 | stayb | why is that line not in the standard installation of lenny? |
| 18:27.36 | jelly-home | stayb: it's a bug. |
| 18:27.39 | stayb | dont understand its stupid |
| 18:27.40 | stayb | ok |
| 18:27.51 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: Details depend on which vnc server you're running. |
| 18:27.59 | jelly-home | stayb: rerun aptitude update after you add it |
| 18:28.41 | jelly-home | stayb: now normal packages should become available, and you should be to eg. aptitude install file |
| 18:28.55 | jelly-home | (or any other package) |
| 18:29.09 | thewanderer1 | in Debian we have smxi, rbxi, wtfxi and others for solving system-management tasks, graphics drivers tasks and so on... now where's pizza-xi? |
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| 18:29.21 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I notice he only has main enabled. |
| 18:29.27 | Brack10 | hey so I set my sysklogd init.d script to run "-r -m0", but when I use ps, it shows /sbin/syslogd -u syslog...does that mean it's not running with the args I tell it to? |
| 18:29.36 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I don't see _any_ of those in Debian. |
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| 18:29.42 | stayb | jelly-home, y works thx |
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| 18:29.49 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: not that there's anything wrong with that! |
| 18:30.02 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, yeah, it's unofficial but I think it's a part of Debian now despite not being in the repos |
| 18:30.18 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if it's not in the repo, it's not in Debian. |
| 18:30.33 | thewanderer1 | Debian is people too... and smxi :P |
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| 18:30.54 | jelly-home | no, that's soylent green |
| 18:31.01 | M0E_lnx | hey guys, is there a way to disable a service from command line in debian? |
| 18:31.13 | johnfg | jhutchins_lt: vino-server is what i'm running. |
| 18:31.26 | jelly-home | M0E_lnx: if it has an init script, update-rc.d is your friend |
| 18:31.40 | M0E_lnx | lemme check |
| 18:31.42 | thewanderer1 | M0E_lnx, or you can throw it out of /etc/rc*.d :P |
| 18:31.43 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: you mean contrib and non-free ? |
| 18:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: I'm not familiar with that one, check your docs. You may want to install one of the other servers that do that by default. |
| 18:32.19 | johnfg | I did both man vino and man vino-server, but nothing comes up. |
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| 18:32.28 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: contrib at least. |
| 18:32.49 | johnfg | jhutchins_lt: What other vnc server would you recommend for lenny? |
| 18:33.28 | granquet | jelly-home: actually install linux-headers puts you a symlink in /usr/src/linux, I guess I'm not completely SOL then :) |
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| 18:34.22 | jelly-home | granquet: I wouldn't rely on existence and uptodateness of that link in Debian |
| 18:34.28 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: i have that , but today is a nice day , so i did not pasted it all . THX just finished climbing ;) |
| 18:34.32 | jhutchins_lt | fxiny: tight or vnc4 |
| 18:34.44 | M0E_lnx | init script is in /etc/rc2.d/S22bluetooth |
| 18:35.16 | jelly-home | M0E_lnx: mv /etc/rc2.d/S22bluetooth /etc/rc2.d/s22bluetooth will disable its starting at bootup in a somewhat dirty way |
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| 18:35.24 | fxiny | jhutchins_lt: me ? last time i used tight was on sarge |
| 18:35.28 | granquet | jelly-home: I don't see any better option actually :-/ it's a pretty standard location to put kernel sources |
| 18:35.29 | fxiny | i play no more |
| 18:35.32 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: Er, tight or vnc4 |
| 18:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | is confusing himself. |
| 18:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: /usr/share/doc and homepage as well for info on vino. |
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| 18:36.23 | jelly-home | granquet: I see a better option, it's /lib/modules/not-uname--r/build |
| 18:36.25 | dennis | hi all. i cant install the following packets, can someone tell me why? bind9-host dnsutils |
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| 18:36.57 | jelly-home | dennis: pastebin the command line you're using and its cpomplete output. |
| 18:37.07 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 18:37.08 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 18:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | dennis: What release are you on, how are you trying to install them, what happenss whne you do? |
| 18:37.38 | jelly-home | dennis: also see what dpkg says above if you have errors in non-Enlish language |
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| 18:37.43 | granquet | jelly-home: yeah right, but I don't have a clue on where to find that "not-uname--r" ... I can probably use dpkg -l and do some awk/sed but I'm not sure it's the way... |
| 18:37.46 | abrotman | non-English? :) |
| 18:38.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes, some people use different locale settings than you mericans |
| 18:38.29 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: He's pointing out you dropped a g there. |
| 18:38.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: you typed Enlish ... |
| 18:39.03 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I assume users are able to recognize and work around typos |
| 18:39.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: this might not be the case with mericans! |
| 18:39.30 | fxiny | i have a bag of typos ready , anyone ? |
| 18:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | In here? Ya never know. |
| 18:39.48 | PinkFreud | randomly rearranges the keys on fxiny's keyboard |
| 18:39.55 | jelly-home | granquet: which debian release are you planning to use, squeeze I presume? |
| 18:40.09 | granquet | jelly-home: hmm. lenny and squeeze |
| 18:40.20 | dennis | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/5kAiF4hN |
| 18:40.40 | granquet | wouldn't be too much of a problem for squeeze only actually |
| 18:40.41 | fxiny | PinkFreud: jrveq ! vg jbexrq |
| 18:40.51 | PinkFreud | perfect. |
| 18:40.52 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 18:41.11 | jelly-home | granquet: linux-image-2.6-686 metapackage will always pull in the latest supported kernel. Inspect its dependencies. |
| 18:41.16 | Quibus | so, no one knows what to do about stuttering sound? |
| 18:41.41 | fxiny | Quibus: check the wire |
| 18:41.44 | jelly-home | granquet: (use appropriate -flavor for your arch, it might be linux-image-2.6-amd64 or something else) |
| 18:41.45 | fxiny | first |
| 18:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: Yeah, shut down all your browser windows and re-open them. |
| 18:42.01 | granquet | jelly-home: yeah, amd64 ... mostly :) |
| 18:42.20 | jelly-home | ,depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --release squeeze --arch amd64 |
| 18:42.23 | judd | linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64. |
| 18:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | dennis: 1) That's not english, 2) you still didn't say what release you were on. |
| 18:42.39 | jelly-home | granquet: that means uname -r will be exactly 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:43.07 | granquet | jelly-home: great, seems to be what I want :) |
| 18:43.30 | jhutchins_lt | dennis: aptitude why-not bind9 bind-host dnsutils |
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| 18:44.04 | abrotman | dennis: `aptitude update && aptitude install bind9 dnsutils' |
| 18:44.17 | jelly-home | dennis: you'll have to do apt-get dist-upgrade for those two on lenny; their dependencies have changed and a mere upgrade won't work |
| 18:44.23 | Quibus | jhutchins_lt: well, OK |
| 18:44.40 | Quibus | jhutchins_lt: and hope that the 64 bit flashplugin comes back to life soon :S |
| 18:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: Flash has always been buggy, and it's not open source so we can't debug it. |
| 18:45.43 | jelly-home | but we can whine |
| 18:45.47 | Quibus | jhutchins_lt: I know that |
| 18:45.56 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: That we can. |
| 18:46.10 | jelly-home | and nag the developers on their penguin.swf blog |
| 18:46.35 | dennis | ok, i just upgrade... thx for support. |
| 18:46.44 | jelly-home | (note: please don't nag the flash linux developers on their penguin.swf blog) |
| 18:46.58 | jelly-home | dennis: that'll be $3.50 |
| 18:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | Send them cookies. |
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| 18:48.12 | jelly-home | poor adobe developers cna't figure heads or tails of the myriad of linux 3D and sound apis. I wonder how any other multimedia developer on linux (including gnash authors) does it |
| 18:49.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's not like sound on linux is a dream to work with |
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| 18:50.19 | SparFux1 | Hi! Since some recent update of debian sid, my network connections of mozilla to localhost are very slow / broken. I cannot connect mldonkey for example. |
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| 18:50.31 | granquet | jelly-home: well thanks for all the help, I'll work around something with apt-cache depends (on a first try: apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 | grep Depends | sed 's/^.*linux-image-\(.*\)$/\1/') |
| 18:50.40 | granquet | gotta go home, it's nearly 21 here :o |
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| 18:51.50 | jelly-home | make that . a [^, ] insteas |
| 18:52.00 | jelly-home | granquet: make that .* a [^, ]* instead |
| 18:52.39 | jelly-home | and cut the rest of the string out too obviously |
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| 18:52.50 | granquet | yeah, this was just quick&dirty :) |
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| 18:53.21 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux1: Fall back to the snapshot you made before the last upgrade, then upgrade one package at a time until you know which one it was. |
| 18:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux1: You should know the drill if you're running sid. |
| 18:54.01 | lxsameer | is there any GUI software for calibrating joysticks ? |
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| 18:55.15 | GBGames | My hard drive on my desktop died. I'm about to setup a new desktop machine (faster multicore processor, faster RAM), but it has onboard video for now. I can go out and get a PCIe card (it's a MiniATX mobo, so only offers PCIe, no AGP), but I'd like to start installing Debian now. |
| 18:55.39 | GBGames | Would you suggest waiting until after I get the video card, or should I be able to install the OS and then install the card without too much more effort? |
| 18:56.03 | rozie | GBGames: install now. it's not windows... |
| 18:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gokee2, no need to wait |
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| 18:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr |
| 18:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | GBGames, |
| 18:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 18:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry Gokee2 |
| 18:56.32 | Quibus | well, tell GBGames how to proceed after he got his new card installed :-) |
| 18:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did that chap get in there |
| 18:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quibus, fiddle and twiddle around until it works! |
| 18:58.08 | GBGames | Quibus: Well, I presume that I can install Debian now, then later get the video card in and I'd have to get the drivers working anyway. B-) |
| 18:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | GBGames, you might want to choose the graphics card according to driver availability, though... |
| 18:58.25 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean try&horror ? |
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| 18:58.28 | Gokee2 | NP CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 18:58.31 | GBGames | Well, I've generally had positive experiences with Nvidia cards. |
| 18:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, I was thinking along those lines :) |
| 18:59.14 | GBGames | Wow, it's been forever since I installed a Debian system from scratch! There's an installer with graphics and everything! |
| 18:59.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | GBGames, they work, but you may want nvidias driver which is not in the repositories and usually requires you to compile the kernel module |
| 18:59.30 | Quibus | CutMeOwnThroat: dkms ftw |
| 18:59.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | fxiny, you can also plug&pray, of course |
| 19:00.03 | Ikarus | GBGames: hehehe :) |
| 19:00.08 | GBGames | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, right, thanks for the reminder. B-) |
| 19:00.17 | fxiny | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean puke&pray ? |
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| 19:00.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | GBGames, don't let the gui alienate you :) |
| 19:00.23 | Ikarus | GBGames: that is the common problem with people using Debian, the installer is seen once every decade or so :P |
| 19:00.55 | GBGames | Ikarus: hah |
| 19:00.56 | simonrvn | unlesss you install a lot of machines, or help test it |
| 19:01.13 | thewanderer1 | if you install a lot of machines, you use fai :P |
| 19:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ikarus, one of the totally underestimated backdraws of working upgrade procedures :-P |
| 19:01.26 | simonrvn | true |
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| 19:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so actually nobody ever uses the installer... |
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| 19:01.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:04.08 | thewanderer1 | true, I only ever use debootstrap :P |
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| 19:06.46 | mo_o | hey guys, i have set up a preseeding enviroment but it's stuck on the server where it's asking for the partitioning |
| 19:07.09 | mo_o | in the screen, it is waiting for disk partition response like "Guided - use entire disk", "Guide - use entire disk and setup LVM", Manual, etc |
| 19:07.19 | mo_o | but i have set that up in my preseed.cfg: |
| 19:07.28 | mo_o | d-i partman-auto/method string regular |
| 19:07.36 | mo_o | d-i partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm boolean true |
| 19:07.46 | mo_o | d-i partman-md/device_remove_md boolean true |
| 19:07.53 | mo_o | d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true |
| 19:08.00 | mo_o | d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic |
| 19:08.04 | mo_o | am i missing sthg? |
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| 19:08.50 | NeoLobster | Anyone know what a RAID status of "active" means versus "clean" using mdadm --detail? man mdadm didn't seem to have the info |
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| 19:09.12 | fxiny | select atomic ? looks like war games |
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| 19:09.43 | mo_o | ;) |
| 19:09.59 | fxiny | rings melvin |
| 19:10.00 | treitter | I'm trying to build a package with pbuilder, but I'm hitting this error: http://pastebin.com/JJcZvxv1 |
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| 19:12.03 | treitter | I've added the experimental repos to sources.list within the build environment, and all the required dependencies are in experimental |
| 19:12.06 | treitter | but I still get that error |
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| 19:13.27 | NeoLobster | never mind, found it: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/md.txt#256 |
| 19:13.40 | hesco | how long might it take to create a raid array on two 500gb partitions? |
| 19:13.50 | NeoLobster | hesco: raid 1 or raid 0? |
| 19:13.58 | hesco | raid 1 |
| 19:14.03 | NeoLobster | 7200 RPM drive? |
| 19:14.06 | hesco | I started this process last night |
| 19:14.19 | hesco | yes |
| 19:14.21 | NeoLobster | using md? |
| 19:14.22 | hesco | 7200 |
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| 19:14.36 | hesco | time sudo mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 |
| 19:14.51 | NeoLobster | depending on other factors, it should take about an hour per 150 gigs or so |
| 19:15.20 | hesco | three or four hours then, if the processor were not busy doing other things. |
| 19:15.27 | NeoLobster | hesco: you can cat /proc/mdstat |
| 19:15.29 | NeoLobster | to see the progress |
| 19:15.40 | NeoLobster | it should tell you how much time is remaining |
| 19:16.02 | NeoLobster | you also may want to check dmesg to make sure there are no errors being reported by the disks |
| 19:16.23 | GBGames | With a 300GB drive in a machine that intend for general use (music, programming, art, games, email, etc), how much should I dedicate to the / partition (/, swap, and home being the threee partitions)? |
| 19:16.25 | hesco | it gives me no clue, only says: resync=PENDING and has since I started this process. |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | hesco: is it a P150? |
| 19:16.38 | GBGames | Right now the installer is saying 7GB, but that seems low to me. |
| 19:16.41 | NeoLobster | if it's pending, then it's not building |
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| 19:17.08 | NeoLobster | hesco: do you have multiple arrays? |
| 19:17.13 | nooper | 20GB i'd say |
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| 19:17.28 | NeoLobster | The only time I've seen it with status "PENDING" is when it's currently building another array |
| 19:17.55 | NeoLobster | pastebin your /proc/mdstat catting |
| 19:17.56 | masterkiller | hey i changed my static IP address in /etc/network/interfaces but when i type (as root) /etc/init.d/networking restart it comes back up with the old ip address |
| 19:18.05 | masterkiller | how do i get it to change the static ip without rebooting? |
| 19:18.26 | jordanm | masterkiller: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 19:18.34 | NeoLobster | ^ that |
| 19:19.25 | masterkiller | thanks! |
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| 19:20.21 | hesco | GBGames: I allow 2 gb on /, 6-10gb on /usr, and depending on how much mail and databases I forsee on a machine, perhaps as much room on /var as on /home, unless it is a db machine in particular. But if db's are small or non-existent, and mail is in home, the 20gb sounds very generous and safe. |
| 19:20.41 | hesco | abrotman: dual core P4 |
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| 19:22.12 | hesco | mdadm output: http://pastebin.com/7aNrrv39 |
| 19:22.31 | hesco | mdstat rather |
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| 19:25.42 | mo_o | okay i was missing to define the good hdd, as there are multiple in the system |
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| 19:35.21 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: I strongly recommend against partitioning. I pretty much guarantees that you'll run out of space while there's still plenty of room somewhere else on the drive. |
| 19:35.38 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: If you must though, a basic system is less than 4GB. |
| 19:35.50 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: Er, around 4-5, not less than 4. |
| 19:36.13 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: thats what lvm is for! |
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| 19:36.35 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: lvm is an additional point of failure, as we occasionally see right here. |
| 19:37.10 | GBGames | jhutchins: Ah, well. Too late. The partitions are made and the software is installing. |
| 19:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: Sorry, I was afraid of that. |
| 19:37.34 | GBGames | And I originally ran the system on a partitioned 40GB drive, so I had less than 20GB for / |
| 19:37.38 | hesco | NeoLobster: no, this is the first time I have ever built an array on this machine |
| 19:37.50 | GBGames | So I think I'll be fine for the foreseeable future. |
| 19:37.58 | hesco | my mdstat still reads: output: http://pastebin.com/7aNrrv39 |
| 19:38.04 | GBGames | foresees badly, though. |
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| 19:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: 2G / might bite you eventually. |
| 19:38.22 | peta | hello everybody |
| 19:38.38 | GBGames | 20GB should be fine, though, right? |
| 19:38.46 | GBGames | If all I have is /, swap, and /home? |
| 19:39.18 | NeoLobster | hesco: from what I remember that should only say "personalities: raid1" |
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| 19:39.27 | NeoLobster | how did you build it? |
| 19:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: Depends entirely on how you use the system. |
| 19:39.58 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: With a lot of web and mail, that would be tight. |
| 19:40.15 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: If all your data is in /home, no problem. |
| 19:40.33 | GBGames | Well, when you say that, do you mean hosting web and mail, or using Icedove and Iceweasal? |
| 19:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: Hosting/serving. |
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| 19:41.16 | GBGames | Ah, ok. I don't intend to host much with this machine. Just a basic site, mainly using public_html for my user account. |
| 19:41.22 | jhutchins_lt | GBGames: For a desktop 20G is probably overkill. |
| 19:41.24 | simonrvn | if i'm splitting up the system i always split off / |
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| 19:41.36 | peta | when i build binaries from the sources ... how can i specify where the built output files should be saved? (in another folder) |
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| 19:41.43 | GBGames | jhutchins: Ok, so then I probably don't need to worry about running out of space. |
| 19:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Every system I've worked on with a seperate / partition filled it up. |
| 19:41.59 | simonrvn | didn't do it right ;p |
| 19:42.00 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Usually /var |
| 19:42.03 | GBGames | hehe |
| 19:42.08 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 19:42.09 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: I didn't do it. |
| 19:42.15 | jelly-home | I'm splitting swap. |
| 19:42.35 | simonrvn | i also split off /home /var and /usr |
| 19:42.41 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Multiple swap partitions, or just a single seperate one. |
| 19:42.57 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: just one! It's separate from / |
| 19:43.14 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Yeah, that's what I advocate, / and swap and backups. |
| 19:43.23 | simonrvn | he's pulling your leg ;) |
| 19:43.30 | wumba | When I hotswap drives ocassionally the drive will skip to /dev/sdf instead of /dev/sda or similar |
| 19:43.32 | wumba | Any ideas? |
| 19:43.41 | jelly-home | am not! |
| 19:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | You don't have to, you can have a swap file on /. |
| 19:44.06 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 19:44.07 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a handful of rabid hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 19:44.18 | jhutchins_lt | The bot should just respond to that all by itself. |
| 19:44.22 | jelly-home | wumba: it happens, learn to live with volatility of scsi disk device naming |
| 19:44.45 | jhutchins_lt | wumba: If necessary use UUIDs. |
| 19:44.57 | jelly-home | wumba: it's a bit of a problem with boot disks |
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| 19:45.19 | datacrusher | thewanderer1, the link you gave me to install nvidia driver debian way, its from 2006, and im not shure about wich repo should i add |
| 19:45.40 | simonrvn | sure* which* |
| 19:45.40 | datacrusher | its telling me this: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 19:45.41 | datacrusher | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 19:45.41 | datacrusher | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:45.52 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher, nvidia drivers in debian non-free do suffice |
| 19:45.57 | thewanderer1 | use whatever you run |
| 19:46.02 | wumba | thats nuts .. :/ I figured I could somehow prevent it |
| 19:46.06 | datacrusher | sorr simonrvn englishs not my mother language |
| 19:46.17 | wumba | When I am pulling a soft raid drive I have to reboot to repair |
| 19:46.24 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher, if you run stable you need stable etc. |
| 19:46.38 | datacrusher | so... lenny stable main contrib non-free ? |
| 19:46.45 | jelly-home | wumba: after you physically remove a disk, make sure you disappear the device with echo 1 > /sys/block/sdwhatev/delete |
| 19:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: Just lenny. |
| 19:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: We recommend not using "stable" and "testing" and such, just the release name. |
| 19:47.12 | wumba | jelly: thanks for the tip |
| 19:47.27 | jelly-home | wumba: md raid doesn't care if it's sdf or sda, the md metadata it what's important to it |
| 19:47.28 | datacrusher | thanks jhutchins_lt ill do that |
| 19:47.55 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: Otherwise you can get "upgraded" by surprize if a release happens. |
| 19:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | We had a system that had etch, lenny, testing, and sid all defined. |
| 19:48.20 | wumba | jelly: but when I reboot wont the raid be broken? |
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| 19:49.19 | simonrvn | footwear |
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| 19:50.20 | datacrusher | jhutchins_lt, i have the lenny line, but i coulnd find nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:51.08 | thewanderer1 | datacrusher, do you have non-free and contrib enabled? |
| 19:51.48 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:51.50 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4 |
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| 19:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | datacrusher: Make sure you have non-free, aptitude update, check again. |
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| 20:14.03 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:14.03 | dpkg | <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 20:14.12 | hesco | NeoLobster: to answer your question: `time sudo mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3` |
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| 20:14.58 | hesco | sorry, got distracted by a call for a bit. |
| 20:15.10 | hesco | my mdstat still reads: output: http://pastebin.com/7aNrrv39 |
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| 20:19.24 | DanDare | Hello. I have been using Debian since a long time now without any major issue, sometimes I even forget I use Debian (j/k). But now I want to change my server machine. I was willing about making a image of the system disk and restore to the new computer. Can I expect good results doing this or it's worthless? |
| 20:20.10 | thewanderer0 | DanDare, works 90% of the time |
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| 20:20.36 | thewanderer0 | other 10% is the admin not having patience and throwing the server out of a window |
| 20:20.55 | DanDare | 90% is a very good rate so I will try this. |
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| 20:21.06 | thewanderer0 | I did and am still up :P |
| 20:21.12 | DanDare | well, let's where are these 10% so :) |
| 20:21.16 | DanDare | *let's see |
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| 20:21.40 | cirzgamanti | hi, what was the name of the program to create letter ascii art? |
| 20:21.53 | leftyfb | Could someone help with this please? : http://pastebin.ca/raw/1904732 We never had this problem before up until recent updates. We've been doing iptables in this way since sarge. |
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| 20:22.21 | simonrvn | cirzgamanti: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:22.47 | simonrvn | i should have an alias for the number of times you ask for something you can find yourself |
| 20:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | leftyfb: cat /etc/network/intefaces > pastebin |
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| 20:23.12 | simonrvn | inter* |
| 20:23.16 | cirzgamanti | simonrvn: i couldn't find it, that's why i asked |
| 20:23.31 | leftyfb | jhutchins_lt: the relevant item in the interfaces file is in the pastebin I posted already |
| 20:23.32 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Yes. |
| 20:23.44 | simonrvn | so how come just 3 days ago i found 3 or 4? |
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| 20:24.21 | cirzgamanti | because you could think of a better search query probably |
| 20:24.41 | leftyfb | jhutchins_lt: I know that's the problem line since when I comment it out, everything works fine. |
| 20:24.46 | simonrvn | ascii art is what i looked for ;) |
| 20:25.04 | simonrvn | using apt-cache |
| 20:25.27 | Bushmills | or figlet |
| 20:25.29 | simonrvn | cirzgamanti: you using what, lenny, squeeze? |
| 20:25.33 | cirzgamanti | figlet, great! :) |
| 20:25.34 | cirzgamanti | thx |
| 20:25.34 | thewanderer0 | cowsay |
| 20:25.43 | DanDare | ascii art causes useless CO2 emissions |
| 20:25.50 | DanDare | hides |
| 20:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | leftyfb: Try running the command directly |
| 20:26.03 | simonrvn | extra effort of trying to decode it? :P |
| 20:26.03 | thewanderer0 | DanDare, and UUoC |
| 20:26.12 | leftyfb | jhutchins_lt: that works fine as well |
| 20:26.32 | DanDare | Useless Use of Cat Award ? |
| 20:26.32 | jhutchins_lt | leftyfb: That suggests that the line may not be formatted/terminated correctly. |
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| 20:26.57 | leftyfb | jhutchins_lt: it's the same line we've been using for years. As you can see, it's nothing extraordinary |
| 20:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | leftyfb: It may have had the end worn off of it. |
| 20:27.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:27.24 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 20:27.57 | leftyfb | huh? |
| 20:28.11 | simonrvn | it's a joke =) |
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| 20:28.27 | cgc | hi everyone |
| 20:28.33 | jhutchins_lt | leftyfb: It's possible that you now need to use quotes, it's possible that the EOL caracter got munged somehow. |
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| 20:28.49 | leftyfb | tried quotes, same error |
| 20:28.51 | simonrvn | well, half-joke |
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| 20:29.16 | jhutchins_lt | leftyfb: What are the next two lines? |
| 20:29.36 | _ke | rcconf is not listing postfix as an init script, allthough it is installed and the init script is there. any clue? |
| 20:29.45 | leftyfb | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1904735 |
| 20:29.46 | cgc | i've got a quick question, not sure if im in the right place, but i've been trying to get capistrano working on debian and i can't seem to get it to work, it works on other distro's, has anyone come across this problem? |
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| 20:30.16 | acanthus | is there any sites that someone can point me to on how to upgrade to either testing or unstable from stable, my google searches failed, just can't seem to get a proper sources.list for any of it |
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| 20:30.49 | leftyfb | jhutchins_lt: everything works fine when run manually or by commenting out the post-up iptables line. As soon as I uncomment it, I get the error. I tried no spacing it out, retyping it. |
| 20:30.57 | simonrvn | leftyfb: put auto first. that potato issue is dead in lenny. |
| 20:31.33 | simonrvn | then the iface thing then the {\t,4 spaces}post-up |
| 20:32.27 | jordanm | acanthus: that is one of those "if you have to ask" questions. why do you want to? |
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| 20:32.56 | jhutchins_lt | leftyfb: When you have an error that points to a line number that's good, suspect that it's mis-reporting where the error is. |
| 20:32.56 | acanthus | jordanm: curiosity, vmware fun times, etc |
| 20:33.03 | simonrvn | i.e., "if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't" |
| 20:33.18 | leftyfb | awesome |
| 20:33.22 | leftyfb | that was it |
| 20:33.33 | jordanm | acanthus: you can look at the lenny release notes and attempt to apply that to squeeze. there *will* be undocumented curveballs however |
| 20:33.35 | simonrvn | what was it? |
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| 20:33.47 | leftyfb | the auto line |
| 20:33.49 | leftyfb | needed to be first |
| 20:33.49 | jordanm | !tell acanthus about lenny release notes |
| 20:33.59 | simonrvn | some curve balls will actually hit you in the head |
| 20:34.09 | leftyfb | no helmet :) |
| 20:34.18 | simonrvn | ah. i've always done it that way. |
| 20:34.24 | simonrvn | haha |
| 20:34.31 | simonrvn | anita helmet |
| 20:34.34 | leftyfb | thanks guys :) |
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| 20:34.36 | tharkun | Is there any other way? |
| 20:35.11 | simonrvn | auto iface stuff? afaik no ;) |
| 20:35.36 | simonrvn | though you can put auto auto auto iface iface iface |
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| 20:35.49 | simonrvn | seems messier though |
| 20:35.51 | canci_ | acanthus: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35634 might help. not much has changed in the mere process of upgrading |
| 20:36.07 | acanthus | canci_: thanks |
| 20:36.23 | jordanm | canci_: why would he use that instead of the official documentation? |
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| 20:36.32 | jordanm | canci_: and the curveballs still apply... |
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| 20:36.54 | jordanm | despises forum documentation |
| 20:37.01 | canci_ | jordanm: yes, I was just about to tell about the curveballs. He isn't to use it instead, but as extra documentation |
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| 20:38.50 | smv | i'm trying to create a lvm on a hw raid 1+0. pvcreate and vgcreate worked, and all seem to be ok, but i see nothing in /dev/mapper, except control, and lvcreate does not finish. if i kill it, i can see the volume, and it seems to be ok, but is that safe? i killed it after 15 minutes of waiting for it to complete, should i wait longer and hope that will finish, or just wait a feo minutes, then kill and finish my work? |
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| 20:38.58 | canci_ | and yeah, Squeeze has seen various changes, such as the introduction of Nouveau, dash as a shell for boot processes (don't remember if by default) and other things. Also, KDE has been switched to 4 in this release, so be sure to pay attention if you're upgrading KDE |
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| 20:39.47 | jordanm | even the Xfce 4.4 -> 4.6 was a major change in user configurations |
| 20:39.49 | canci_ | doesn't mind forum documentation, as it is more dynamic. One should always take every resource available. Also, the holy Debian Wiki is often times very outdated and sparse in information |
| 20:39.56 | jordanm | but the big one, which will cause the upgrade to fail, is udev |
| 20:40.15 | jordanm | canci_: because people wrote forum posts instead of updating the damn wiki! |
| 20:40.37 | canci_ | jordanm: true enough! :) |
| 20:42.20 | canci_ | jordanm: r u on squeeze or sid? |
| 20:42.39 | moldovean | !u |
| 20:42.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:44.27 | canci_ | !loneliness |
| 20:44.33 | canci_ | !frustration |
| 20:44.33 | dpkg | i heard frustration is stupid, useless but DARN IT'S GOOD! |
| 20:44.35 | jordanm | canci_: I run lenny on all my boxes. I run squeeze and sid VMs for packaging and testing |
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| 20:45.55 | jordanm | actually, I take that back, I do have one laptop that runs squeeze, but I don't use it much, used by others at my home |
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| 20:47.16 | canci_ | jordanm: what do you package? |
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| 20:48.31 | jordanm | canci_: mostly practice atm. I am currently not the maintainer of anything. I spend a lot of time building, testing, and reviewing xfce packages. I have built a few for upload to debian, but have yet to ask for sponsership. |
| 20:48.42 | foetus | evening. |
| 20:48.45 | jordanm | including pastebinit for lenny-backports, gtimer, and ntop |
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| 20:49.43 | canci_ | cool. tnx for contributing! |
| 20:50.18 | jordanm | :) |
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| 20:51.18 | aguitel | what the best way to find fastest mirror ? |
| 20:52.25 | shylent | obviously apt-proxy on your local network is the fastest mirror :P |
| 20:52.43 | GBGames | Ok, install worked, but now I'm having trouble with video drivers for my nvidia's onboard chipset |
| 20:52.46 | canci_ | netselect-apt |
| 20:52.49 | canci_ | ? |
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| 20:53.08 | GBGames | And possibly the monitor. I get an out of range error. Looking at /etc/xorg.conf, it has no entries for Monitor, Display, etc. |
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| 20:54.04 | canci_ | aguitel: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html see under 2.3 |
| 20:54.40 | aguitel | canci_, thanks |
| 20:54.45 | canci_ | np :) |
| 20:54.47 | jordanm | !apt-spy |
| 20:54.47 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 20:54.50 | foetus | if i make a image-backup from lenny (trueimage), and write it back, an error in bootmisc or fschk appears, reboot is forced and after it its working well -- is there changed something to the ext3-system, and, how could i solve this? |
| 20:55.13 | quiritius | GBGames: have you tried http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? Although I just installed the latest driver from nvidia manually. |
| 20:55.35 | GBGames | quiritius: Thanks! I don't know why my search terms bring up all sorts of random sites. |
| 20:55.37 | xyan | foetus: dont use trueimage, make a 1:1 copy with dd instead |
| 20:55.56 | foetus | xyan: why? |
| 20:56.21 | xyan | trueimage might align empty space to reduce the image size hence changing the filesystem and fsck must fix it afterwards. just a guess |
| 20:56.23 | jordanm | don't use imaging, make file backups |
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| 20:57.45 | GBGames | quiritius: I guess now I just have to make sure that the nvidia drivers are just for the graphics or if I need it for the motherboard as well. |
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| 20:58.31 | foetus | xyan, jordamn: imaging is not really new..i think..but whats the problem -- with etch was nothing like that. |
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| 20:59.36 | xyan | foetus: ask acronis what trueimage does, its surely not a debian related problem |
| 20:59.49 | quiritius | GBGames: i guess only for the graphics, see also here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html. if use choose the latest version (and manual install) be sure to blacklist nouveau. otherwise compilation fails. |
| 21:00.18 | quiritius | *if you choose |
| 21:00.43 | foetus | btw, the system works nice. no problems. but fschk errors at boottime are !very ugly. |
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| 21:01.16 | jordanm | GBGames: you should note that if you get drivers from nvidia.com, it won't be supported here. support for those drivers are at #nvidia |
| 21:01.30 | GBGames | Of course. |
| 21:01.42 | GBGames | I'm trying the module-assistant method first. |
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| 21:02.07 | jordanm | GBGames: what version of debian, and which card? |
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| 21:03.06 | GBGames | Lenny, and it's an MSI mobo with Nvidia 6100 nForce 405 |
| 21:03.46 | jordanm | GBGames: ah, that should be pretty easy with module-assistant than |
| 21:04.05 | jordanm | the problem comes when you want > 8000 series nvidia on lenny... |
| 21:04.09 | GBGames | Yeah, except I keep getting an error: nvidia-kernel2.6.26-2-686-source, what is nvidia-kernel2.6.26-2-686-source? |
| 21:04.15 | foetus | but -- another question, if i'm working on tty1 (locale de_DE@euro) german umlauts are working on io, but from tty2-6 not, how can i figure this out? |
| 21:04.38 | jordanm | GBGames: please paste the full error, along with the command given |
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| 21:04.56 | GBGames | $ sudo m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel`uname -r`-source |
| 21:04.56 | GBGames | nvidia-kernel2.6.26-2-686-source, what is nvidia-kernel2.6.26-2-686-source? |
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| 21:06.22 | GBGames | Oh, here we go. I didn't see that it couldn't find nvidia-kernel-common |
| 21:07.01 | moldovean | version nvidia-kernel-common |
| 21:07.21 | moldovean | hoops |
| 21:07.34 | foetus | whats up with the tty-problem? |
| 21:07.44 | GBGames | moldovean: ? |
| 21:08.04 | moldovean | nvm |
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| 21:10.19 | moldovean | !nvidia m-a |
| 21:10.19 | dpkg | [nvidia m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>. |
| 21:10.22 | GBGames | Ah, here we go |
| 21:10.28 | xyan | foetus: how do your inittab getty lines look? |
| 21:10.49 | GBGames | Yeah, I just found out that I didn't have contrib or non-free sources in my source list. |
| 21:11.20 | canci_ | GBGames: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers FTW :) |
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| 21:12.28 | GBGames | canci_: Doh! I see that it was specified in the overview section, which I skipped. B-\ |
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| 21:13.30 | bartzy | Hi |
| 21:13.33 | canci_ | yeah, I have this rather dyslexic habit of skimming too much text instead of reading. That's why I love step by step guides like this |
| 21:13.39 | bartzy | I'm trying to install nginx package from |
| 21:14.21 | bartzy | Is it safe to install packages from Ubuntu PPAs ? |
| 21:14.21 | foetus | xyan: sorry, i was out there,..inittab? what do you mean? |
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| 21:14.24 | bartzy | I'm using debian lenny. |
| 21:14.35 | quiritius | btw, anyone get an intermittent shifting of tty1-6 to bottom right corner so that only 3 lines par visible? it depends on boot, sometimes i've got it, sometimes not. seems no pattern there. |
| 21:14.37 | xyan | foetus: /etc/inittab |
| 21:14.48 | norf | bartzy: i wouldnt recommend it. |
| 21:15.43 | moldovean | !ppa |
| 21:15.43 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive, made popular by <launchpad> at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas. Similar projects were discussed for Debian, but none eventuated. PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. |
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| 21:16.22 | foetus | xyan: ok, i must do a paste. |
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| 21:16.53 | canci_ | bartzy: that's hard to tell. you can add the ppa and try a dry run. sudo apt-get install --dry-run PACKAGE |
| 21:17.31 | canci_ | bartzy: very often it's quite easy to build packages yourself, so why risk it? |
| 21:17.31 | heydemo | I was doing a sudo apt-get upgrade on my server when the connection timed out - now /var/lib/dpkg/lock is locked |
| 21:17.35 | heydemo | how do I unlock it? |
| 21:17.46 | au | ps x |
| 21:17.51 | au | kill the process that's apt-get |
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| 21:18.03 | thewanderer0 | heydemo, remove that locked file |
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| 21:18.25 | canci_ | also, if you really want to use a ppa, install the package and then remove the ppa from sources.list so it doesn't wildly update things and mess up your system. |
| 21:19.30 | thewanderer0 | or rather do it the proper way, use apt-pinning |
| 21:19.39 | heydemo | thewanderer0: worked, thanks! |
| 21:19.46 | GBGames | Ah, look that! I have a desktop now! |
| 21:19.52 | GBGames | Thanks for your help, everyone! |
| 21:20.12 | canci_ | GBGames: congrats! |
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| 21:21.25 | martianlobster | how do I unpack a data file with a lzma extension, for example /usr/src/glibc/glibc-2.9.tar.lzma ? |
| 21:22.01 | tharkun | martianlobster: fgi |
| 21:22.30 | tharkun | martianlobster: apt-cache search lzma |
| 21:22.43 | martianlobster | tharkun: thanks |
| 21:22.58 | canci_ | martianlobster: aptitude show lzma |
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| 21:24.27 | martianlobster | thanks |
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| 21:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude install lzmsa! |
| 21:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 21:26.20 | foetus | xyan: /etc/inittab: http://de.pastebin.ca/1904777 |
| 21:27.47 | xyan | foetus: and you have umlauts on tty1 but not on the others? |
| 21:27.58 | canci_ | Let's also read the manpage for them! :) Or, why I'm at it, I'll quickly learn Python and GTK and make a GUI |
| 21:28.56 | canci_ | xyan: Wow, one can actually set encodings per tty? |
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| 21:30.35 | foetus | xyan: yes, only by shell, but not on input. if i type something, the type is not correct, but the shell (like mc, german words like "GrÆúe") is ok. i cannot work with editors fron tty2-6 at this time. |
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| 21:31.13 | careta | anyone here a kgdb guru? |
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| 21:31.16 | foetus | xyan: on tty1 both ok. |
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| 21:32.01 | foetus | xyan: system lenny 2.6.26-24 |
| 21:33.28 | xyan | foetus: hrm only by shell but not on input? what exactly do you mean? |
| 21:34.01 | foetus | xyan: not on input. |
| 21:34.33 | foetus | xyan: editing, login etc. |
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| 21:35.35 | thewanderer0 | careta, try #linux |
| 21:35.38 | foetus | xyan: i think, something with consoletranslation doesn't work. |
| 21:35.46 | xyan | foetus: try uncommenting "set convert-meta off" in /etc/inputrc maybe |
| 21:36.01 | foetus | xyan: ok. |
| 21:36.24 | martianlobster | when I do a lzma_alone d /usr/src/glibc/glibc-2.9.tar.lzma I get a great big binary file, which is a bunch of asci files pasted together, with some binary stuff intermixed. I just want to look at the source code for recv which is in recv.c I think. How do I extract the actual source code? |
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| 21:37.51 | GBGames | Awww, xmms isn't in Lenny? B-( |
| 21:38.37 | foetus | xyan: i must reboot. |
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| 21:40.00 | foetus | xyan: doesn't work. |
| 21:40.21 | canci_ | GBGames: try qmmp - it's my fav replacement |
| 21:40.48 | canci_ | oh wait, didn't even check if it's in lenn |
| 21:40.49 | canci_ | y |
| 21:41.09 | xyan | foetus: well dig through the console-* related init scripts and see if theres something done for tty1 only, cant help you there, also take a look at the bug tracker regarding console-setup and console-tools and such |
| 21:41.26 | canci_ | sorry, only from testing it seems |
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| 21:41.57 | canci_ | http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/index_en.php |
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| 21:42.45 | foetus | xyan: o-k, weird thing. thanks anyway :) |
| 21:43.57 | moldovean | foetus, tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 21:45.19 | moldovean | GBGames, /msg dpkg xmms |
| 21:45.29 | foetus | moldovean: oops, i will try it -- why not. thanks. |
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| 21:47.47 | s3a | i have a whole hard drive dedicated to debian and another one dedicated to windows, my debian installation uses LVM, i was hoping someone could tell me, do i only need grub to be installed on /boot or on the debian drive or both the debian and windows drives or those 2 and including the mini /boot partition |
| 21:47.49 | s3a | ? |
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| 21:50.20 | Jordan_U | s3a: Generally you only want grub installed to the mbr, not a partition boot record. If the debian drive is first in your BIOSs boot order then you can just install grub there, if you install grub to the windows drive then you won't be able to boot windows without the debian drive being plugged in. |
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| 21:51.29 | s3a_ | >i have a whole hard drive dedicated to debian and another one dedicated to windows, my debian installation uses LVM, i was hoping someone could tell me, do i only need grub to be installed on /boot or on the debian drive or both the debian and windows drives or those 2 and including the mini /boot partition? (sorry if someone answered, I think my internet messed up for 2 seconds) |
| 21:51.32 | Jordan_U | s3a_: Did you see my previous message? |
| 21:51.35 | s3a_ | no |
| 21:51.39 | Jordan_U | s3a: Generally you only want grub installed to the mbr, not a partition boot record. If the debian drive is first in your BIOSs boot order then you can just install grub there, if you install grub to the windows drive then you won't be able to boot windows without the debian drive being plugged in. |
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| 21:52.12 | mo_o | hey guys. i just installed sudo and when i want to use it now, i get the following msg: |
| 21:52.13 | mo_o | moritz@dev-04:~/ann_1.1.2/lib$ sudo -s |
| 21:52.13 | mo_o | sudo: unable to resolve host dev-04 |
| 21:52.38 | foetus | that goes fast :) |
| 21:53.05 | mo_o | oh damn i found it *blush* |
| 21:53.08 | Jordan_U | mo_o: Does your /etc/hostname match your /etc/hosts ? |
| 21:53.17 | mo_o | nope *blush* |
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| 21:53.38 | s3a | Jordan_U: I have my BIOS set to just boot off usb harddisks followed by usb optical drives then regular harddrives but i don't recall it specifying which drive |
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| 21:58.57 | peta | when building something from the sources, how can I instruct "make" to save the built output files into specific folder? |
| 21:59.25 | path | Makefile |
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| 22:00.10 | jordanm | peta: "make install" is what does something with the build files. you likely want --prefix for the ./configure script. eg. ./configure --prefix=$HOME/arbiturary/dir |
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| 22:00.52 | s3a | Jordan_U: did u answer me again by any chance bcuz my internet is having trouble |
| 22:01.05 | Jordan_U | s3a: No. |
| 22:01.27 | Jordan_U | s3a: Are you actually having any problems booting? |
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| 22:02.37 | peta | jordanm, path: and when there is no configure script? |
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| 22:03.59 | jordanm | peta: sometimes there is autogen.sh that will call ./configure (after its generated) with the options you pass to autogen.sh |
| 22:04.01 | s3a_ | Jordan_U: im gonna go on my other computer, there probably won't be problems there |
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| 22:04.08 | s3a_ | Jordan_U: brb |
| 22:04.28 | jordanm | peta: if it goes not use a sane build system such as GNU automake, then you can do nothing more than hand edit the install target of the Makefile |
| 22:04.33 | jordanm | s/goes/does/ |
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| 22:06.18 | foetus | moldovean: i have tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data (looks nice) but -- same like before, however.. |
| 22:06.20 | s3a | Jordan_U, k im back |
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| 22:06.29 | s3a | Jordan_U, on the other comp |
| 22:06.48 | peta | jordanm: okay, it seems as if will hand edit. let's see. thanks |
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| 22:07.06 | jordanm | peta: its rare that is the case... what is that you are working with? |
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| 22:08.10 | moldovean | foetus, maybe reinstall it ;) , it's which distrib ? |
| 22:08.42 | s3a | Jordan_U, are you there? |
| 22:08.53 | Jordan_U | s3a: Yes. |
| 22:09.19 | s3a | Jordan_U, so ya where do I install? |
| 22:09.22 | s3a | grub |
| 22:09.25 | aguitel | i use squeeze gnome and kde4 ,with kde4 i cannot connect to wireless ,why in gnome works fine? |
| 22:09.34 | Jordan_U | s3a: To the mbr of your debian drive. |
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| 22:10.34 | peta | jordanm: Redis (the key-value-store) -- http://github.com/antirez/redis. but i think i found the slocs of interest .. there is the installation base directory is hardcodet .. |
| 22:10.36 | thewanderer0 | aguitel, network-manager applet in testing kde4 is currently a bit broken |
| 22:10.39 | s3a | Jordan_U, and not on the /boot partiton (i'm using LVM just saying) |
| 22:10.41 | s3a | ? |
| 22:10.57 | s3a | Jordan_U, still same answer? |
| 22:11.13 | thewanderer0 | aguitel, you should be able to run the GNOME applet, install knetworkmanager from sid or find another way of connecting to WiFi |
| 22:11.34 | Jordan_U | s3a: Not to the /boot partition. While the grub *files* will be stored there, you want to use /dev/sda as the argument to grub install. |
| 22:11.53 | foetus | moldovean: CFCFCFCFCFCB6CB6CB6CB<CB<CB<CB< -- nice. im working on debian 5.0.5. system works well. |
| 22:11.59 | jordanm | peta: yeah, that project does not even use a build system... just a Makefile |
| 22:12.04 | aguitel | thewanderer0, ok |
| 22:12.07 | s3a | Jordan_U, so the files in /boot will tell it to actually boot from the debian drive, right? |
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| 22:12.51 | Jordan_U | s3a: I don't understand the question. |
| 22:13.27 | s3a | Jordan_U, im just asking for confirmation as to whether it is true or not that the files in the /boot partition tell grub to boot off of the hard drivr where debian is installed or not |
| 22:13.37 | s3a | (sorry for the ruined grammar) |
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| 22:14.01 | jordanm | s3a: menu.lst, which is in /boot, tells grub where the kernel and root partition is |
| 22:14.43 | aguitel | thewanderer0, same package testing and sid |
| 22:15.04 | s3a | jordanm, i see |
| 22:15.06 | thewanderer0 | aguitel, then it's broken and you have 3 options |
| 22:15.12 | s3a | Jordan_U, jordanm, thanks |
| 22:15.24 | aguitel | thewanderer0, how run gnome applet in kde4? |
| 22:15.32 | thewanderer0 | nm-applet |
| 22:15.39 | Jordan_U | s3a: You're welcome. |
| 22:15.48 | foetus | to s3a: you must tell grub drive, partition, stagedir (/boot/grub in your case). |
| 22:16.47 | moldovean | foetus, so works for now ? |
| 22:16.47 | GBGames | I just tried xmms2, and I must not understand how it expects me to use it. I can add 10 random songs to a playlist, but I can't add ALL songs to the playlist? |
| 22:16.47 | foetus | to s3a: /boot/yourkernel i mean. |
| 22:16.56 | aguitel | thewanderer0, alt+F1 and nm-applet ? |
| 22:17.04 | foetus | moldovean: sorry, no :) |
| 22:17.08 | thewanderer0 | aguitel, alt+f2 |
| 22:17.19 | thewanderer0 | you need network-manager-gnome for that |
| 22:17.30 | thewanderer0 | and it looks awful in the system tray, but works |
| 22:18.22 | aguitel | thewanderer0, ok |
| 22:18.38 | jordanm | GBGames: I always make .m3u files... so I don't have to concern myself with how the player handles playlists |
| 22:19.27 | foetus | moldovean: but -- nice tip, anyway, as xyan said, i must look into the initscripts, maybe. |
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| 22:20.16 | moldovean | foetus, reinstalled console-data ? |
| 22:20.42 | peta | jordanm: i'm done. thanks |
| 22:21.09 | b0nghitter | what's a good, simple proxy server? something i can setup really quick |
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| 22:21.33 | foetus | moldovean: no, reconfigured. should be enough, i think. its not the problem. |
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| 22:21.56 | thewanderer0 | b0nghitter, what kind of proxy? HTTP cache or proxy in general? |
| 22:22.21 | b0nghitter | something i can use to visit a website in firefox with |
| 22:22.44 | jordanm | b0nghitter: you can use ssh for that |
| 22:23.13 | jordanm | b0nghitter: see -D |
| 22:23.21 | GBGames | jordanm: Wish I had done so. B-\ |
| 22:23.31 | thewanderer0 | if you want to get around a firewall, then yes, SSH dynamic forwarding is the way to go |
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| 22:24.10 | GBGames | I see that I can "add music", but there is no list of music. I can see a playlist, but there is no way for me to add music to a playlist in abraca, and gxmms2 is just a little more useful. B-( |
| 22:25.41 | GBGames | Ah, I see. I have to do database queries to make it show me all music (WTF?) |
| 22:25.51 | jordanm | GBGames: its not uncommon for media players to have more than one front-end |
| 22:26.02 | jordanm | perhaps there is a different front end waiting to be found |
| 22:26.21 | GBGames | jordanm: Well I found that abraca does let me see music. I just had to put "*" in a Filter search box first. |
| 22:26.30 | GBGames | Then I had to "Save filter results as playlist" |
| 22:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | called abra... cadarbar for a reason |
| 22:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | "seems like magic, that you manage to listen to anything at all" |
| 22:27.18 | jordanm | hehe |
| 22:27.19 | foetus | moldovean: maybe its interesting -- with another kernel (2.6.21-mm2) it works.. curious. |
| 22:27.24 | GBGames | Then I had to "Shuffle", which actually rearranges my playlist, so if I wanted to scroll down and see of all my Weird Al songs, I have to unshuffle somehow. |
| 22:27.25 | GBGames | lol |
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| 22:27.47 | jordanm | foetus: that doesn't look like debian |
| 22:28.11 | moldovean | foetus, if so try the lenny-backports kernel |
| 22:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | GBGames, Polka Power! |
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| 22:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, Make my Boobies one more Size... |
| 22:29.23 | GBGames | I don't think that's a Weird Al song. |
| 22:29.31 | GBGames | He gets credited for a lot of random songs. |
| 22:29.51 | foetus | moldovean: 2.6.29-3 same problem. |
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| 22:30.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:30.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc5-686 (2.6.35~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-17); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:30.15 | moldovean | foetus, from where that 2.6.29-3 ? |
| 22:30.32 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.11 | foetus | moldovean: the old sid-kernel, however. mm2? kernel.org. |
| 22:31.12 | jhutchins_lt | I call not debian too. |
| 22:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | GBGames, hm, maybe you're right there... |
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| 22:33.24 | moldovean | foetus, anyway, seems you tricked hard your system ... |
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| 22:34.48 | aguitel | thewanderer0, i can do nothing |
| 22:35.12 | aguitel | thewanderer0, nm-applet not appears |
| 22:35.20 | foetus | moldovean: no. as i said, it is working like a charm..only these two things, error consoletranslation tty2-6 and this fschk-bootmisc one. |
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| 22:35.54 | foetus | moldovean: a little bit weird, sure. |
| 22:36.09 | Raydiation | ssh allows only root logins, any ideas what im doing wrong? |
| 22:36.35 | moldovean | foetus, reinstall all (lenny) |
| 22:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: You might mess with the framebuffer, that might be where the problem is. |
| 22:37.01 | Raydiation | heres the sshd_config http://pastebin.com/5G0k6km6 |
| 22:37.16 | foetus | moldovean: no. i'm too old for that.. |
| 22:37.21 | moldovean | foetus, try bts , about that too |
| 22:38.44 | foetus | moldovean: no, lenny is working fine, nice work by the developers. |
| 22:39.03 | thewanderer0 | aguitel, check with the command line to see what error you get. also check if you are in netdev group. |
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| 22:39.24 | thewanderer0 | I hope someone takes over aguitel's case, I'm going to sleep |
| 22:39.30 | compaq | is there any form processing scripts available in repos? |
| 22:39.40 | foetus | moldovean: nobody is perfect :) |
| 22:39.42 | aguitel | thewanderer0, good night |
| 22:39.46 | thewanderer0 | see you |
| 22:40.22 | moldovean | foetus, only us .. |
| 22:40.26 | joker[avd] | Is there a way to revert a package to the previously installed version without giving the version number? |
| 22:40.30 | joker[avd] | Via aptitude. |
| 22:42.06 | moldovean | which package ? |
| 22:42.44 | joker[avd] | chromium-browser |
| 22:42.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raydiation, run ssh -v -v -v -v -v user@host and see what that tells you |
| 22:43.00 | moldovean | , version chromium-browser |
| 22:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, seems highly unlikely that it only allows root to log in |
| 22:43.08 | moldovean | , versions chromium-browser |
| 22:43.09 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.99~r51029-4 |
| 22:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... because he's root |
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| 22:43.31 | rking | If you're going straight to sid, what's the earliest point you should stop the installer and edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 22:44.16 | joker[avd] | Version: 6.0.472.0~svn20100720r52985-0ubuntu1~ucd1 |
| 22:44.30 | rking | joker[avd]: There probably is a more automatic way, but I usually find the previous version by looking in /var/cache/apt/archives/foopkg* |
| 22:44.34 | abrotman | joker[avd]: you're asking in the wrong place |
| 22:44.53 | rking | abrotman: They always get me. I'm a total sucker. |
| 22:44.57 | joker[avd] | abrotman: It's just the launchpad repo. |
| 22:45.17 | abrotman | joker[avd]: then you're really asking for it .. those packages are NOT for debian ... |
| 22:45.18 | Raydiation | CutMeOwnThroat: hm, i dont find any problems http://pastebin.com/EK17kb6P |
| 22:47.20 | rking | I've been googling to find out the right/expedient way to go from nothing straight to sid, and I keep coming up with bum results (like unofficial ISOs, sidux, etc) |
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| 22:47.50 | joker[avd] | sighs |
| 22:48.01 | abrotman | rking: that's about righ |
| 22:48.03 | rking | I wonder if I just hit Alt+F2 before it installs the base system and edit /etc/apt/sources.list then |
| 22:48.19 | themill | rking: frequently sid isn't installable. Most people who claim to run sid are actually running (by necessity) a mixture of sid and "old sid". |
| 22:48.26 | rking | abrotman: So if I want sid I just go ahead and let it do the whole base system then edit sources.list afterward? |
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| 22:48.52 | rking | themill: How does that mixture happen? |
| 22:49.01 | themill | time passes |
| 22:49.12 | aguitel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.12 | abrotman | rking: probably the easiest at this point would be to use the squeeze installer (a daily) .. and you can submit a report if things go poorly |
| 22:49.15 | rking | themill: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 22:49.33 | abrotman | aptitude? full-upgrade? |
| 22:49.46 | themill | aguitel: [23:10] <thewanderer0> aguitel, network-manager applet in testing kde4 is currently a bit broken |
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| 22:50.06 | rking | abrotman: Sorry. I still don't get aptitude. It looks so much like apt-get on the CLI I don't understand. I need a clear advantage so I can reburn 10 years of habit. |
| 22:50.16 | GBGames | Screw it. Rhythmbox seems to work like I want xmms2 to work, and it's already installed. |
| 22:50.18 | themill | dpkg: tell rking about why aptitude |
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| 22:50.29 | aguitel | themill, any clues |
| 22:50.32 | rking | themill: Thanks. |
| 22:51.15 | abrotman | rking: the problem resolution in aptitude is a million times better, and for someone running sid/unstable, that's pretty important |
| 22:51.33 | acrocycle | gnome splash screen runs when you login right? |
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| 22:53.48 | acrocycle | hmmmm. gnome-splashscreen shows up when you login or gdm starts, not when the box is booting up. Right? |
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| 22:55.57 | frikinz | Hi everyone. I changed country. the internet is crap here. Dns is amazing slow. What do you suggest for a dns caching package? |
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| 22:56.28 | lindi- | frikinz: you changed it just temporarily? |
| 22:57.20 | abrotman | frikinz: dnsmasq or bind9 is caching by default, or use something like opendns |
| 22:57.24 | frikinz | lindi-: the country or the dns? :) |
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| 22:57.35 | frikinz | lindi-: didn't do anything yet |
| 22:58.28 | frikinz | abrotman: ok thanks. not sure I want to look into bind9 config.. I'll try dnsmasq |
| 22:58.43 | abrotman | by default? |
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| 23:00.53 | acrocycle | frikinz: Not sure if it would help where you are or if the service is still worth while... have you tried OpenDNS? |
| 23:01.00 | lindi- | frikinz: country :) |
| 23:01.07 | acrocycle | Oh in the middle of nowhere. |
| 23:01.10 | acrocycle | Me too! |
| 23:01.21 | acrocycle | My mother-in-law has DSL and it sucks! |
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| 23:01.49 | acrocycle | I put DNS on there and barely noticed a diff... I think its just that the lines up here are old and corroded or something |
| 23:02.05 | acrocycle | Maybe repeaters are spread too far. |
| 23:02.17 | acrocycle | Dont know but I've never used DSL so bad. |
| 23:02.21 | frikinz | for me it's in the middle of nowhere with a crap dsl with a crap modem that doesn't work well with my wireless driver.. I arrived a few hours ago. I'll stay for ~2 months.. |
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| 23:03.57 | acrocycle | Not much you can do in some cases, just deal with it and not game or watch vids. |
| 23:03.59 | acrocycle | ;-) |
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| 23:04.11 | acrocycle | Rebooting... be back... hopefully. |
| 23:05.30 | GBGames | Oh....audacious is exactly what I want. |
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| 23:08.16 | tonytraductor | hi guys. I have a question that's not specifically debian related, but don't know where else to go with this. |
| 23:09.05 | frikinz | is it possible to disable ipv6 while running the system? I suspect ipv6 dns is not handled by this router. |
| 23:09.12 | tonytraductor | I rebooted my machine, and it doesn't get past the "emachines /intel" image. Won't boot from hdd, cdrom, usb, nothing...don't even seem to be able to get the F12 for boot options. |
| 23:09.20 | frikinz | or disable ipv6 dns? |
| 23:09.38 | tonytraductor | It was rebooted a couple of weeks ago with no problem (we had a power outage). but now, nothing. |
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| 23:09.52 | tonytraductor | It was working fine before I rebooted it. |
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| 23:12.15 | tonytraductor | it has lenny on the hdd. I tried to boot with a debian usb key. also tried an ubuntu livecd. nothing. |
| 23:12.29 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Sounds like somebody let the magic smoke out. |
| 23:12.48 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Can you get to the BIOS? |
| 23:12.55 | tonytraductor | if this is completely not the place, can anyone suggest where I might find answers? everything google has given me suggests windows crap |
| 23:13.20 | tonytraductor | no, I don't even seem to get the option of adjusting BIOS settings/boot options. I just get an image "emachines" |
| 23:13.35 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You're dealing with a hardware failure. |
| 23:13.37 | tonytraductor | I don't know if that image is part of the mobo or the cpu or what, but I get that, and nothing else |
| 23:13.43 | tonytraductor | but the hardware was fine 5 minutes ago |
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| 23:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Hardware is always fine until it isn't fine any more. |
| 23:14.14 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Do you get any POST beeps? |
| 23:14.31 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You can try re-seating the RAM, CPU, any cards. |
| 23:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You can check the power supply voltages if you have a meter. |
| 23:15.06 | tonytraductor | I don't have a meter. I checked, the ram is seated, the hdd connected properly |
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| 23:15.16 | tharkun | tonytraductor: first thing be cool, your hdd might be ok and also all your info. Although your cpu is crap by now |
| 23:15.32 | tonytraductor | wait///10th attempt here, getting the boot/bios options, and GRUB IS LOADING |
| 23:15.34 | tonytraductor | weird |
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| 23:15.46 | tonytraductor | looks like she's booting now... |
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| 23:15.58 | tonytraductor | but, seriously this is like the 10th attempt |
| 23:16.05 | tonytraductor | could she just have needed to cool down? |
| 23:16.19 | tharkun | ok, you might be lucky think of a last rite backup and getting new hw |
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| 23:16.46 | tonytraductor | good thing I did backups only about 5 days ago. I do them monthly |
| 23:16.51 | tharkun | check fans and all that stuff. Maybe it is worth to install acpid and all its friends |
| 23:16.55 | tonytraductor | she's up. |
| 23:17.08 | tonytraductor | I was panicking. this thing is my work horse. |
| 23:17.11 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Don't trust it, especially if it has to boot again. |
| 23:17.30 | tonytraductor | sadly, I haven't the resources to replace or upgrade at this time |
| 23:17.40 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You have a serious hardware problem, PS, MB, CPU, or RAM. |
| 23:18.12 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Carefully inspect the capacitors (the things that look like little cans) on the MB, if any are swolen, crooked, or leaking that the problem. |
| 23:18.33 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: if that is the problem it wouldn't have fired up at all |
| 23:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I've had 'em go marginal. |
| 23:19.02 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: 'sides, that problem mostly worked it's way through the pipeline. |
| 23:19.03 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: you are one lucky ... |
| 23:19.20 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Mostly I'm the one that hardware will fail for. |
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| 23:19.29 | tonytraductor | If I had to work on this laptop (old thinkpad a21m 750mzh 512mb), I'd probably go crazy |
| 23:19.31 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Makes troubleshooting easier, I admit. |
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| 23:19.57 | tonytraductor | the emachine isn't exactly new, but it's 3.2ghz with 1.5mb, at least, and running debian (lap has ubu jaunty) |
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| 23:20.19 | tonytraductor | I should probably put lenny on the laptop, too. I put i on my netbook last week (came with ubu hardy) |
| 23:20.33 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: What netbook? |
| 23:21.38 | tonytraductor | everex cloudbook |
| 23:21.47 | tonytraductor | they don't even make them anymore, afaik |
| 23:22.03 | pittstains | Jordan_U: thanks again for all your help... the lsof command you suggested yields quite a bit of output |
| 23:22.29 | Jordan_U | pittstains: Did you pipe it to grep like I said to? |
| 23:22.32 | tonytraductor | anyway, now that she's back up...anybody know about communicating with an android phone? for some reason my sdcard reader isn't automounting the card from the phone, and connecting the usb data cable doesn't show anything, either |
| 23:22.36 | pittstains | yeah |
| 23:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Linux netbooks seem to have come and gone. |
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| 23:23.02 | tonytraductor | I like my little netbook, now that it has lenny on it |
| 23:23.04 | tonytraductor | works great |
| 23:23.24 | pittstains | Jordan_U: here's the last line.... apache2 27266 www-data 36w REG 202,0 10370466401 2670644 /var/log/giantfile (deleted) |
| 23:23.37 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: In any case, I would consider this a serious warning that your other system is failing. |
| 23:24.01 | Jordan_U | pittstains: Then restarting apache should allow the file to actually be deleted. |
| 23:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: If you have to shut it down, I'd make sure to clean it out well, blow it out with compressed air if possible, re-seat cards and RAM and maybe CPU. |
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| 23:24.51 | RedSky32 | by the way, gnome is 100x lighter in debian then ubuntu |
| 23:24.53 | RedSky32 | like jeesh |
| 23:25.03 | jhutchins_lt | I've had some trouble with apache not switching to the new log when logrotate moves it. |
| 23:25.41 | tonytraductor | I want to upgrade, but financial resources are scarce |
| 23:25.42 | pittstains | Jordan_U: Eureka! |
| 23:25.50 | pittstains | 10 GB freed up |
| 23:26.16 | tonytraductor | there does seem to be a problem with the card reader. Just a week ago, it would automount the little sdcard from my phone, and now it won't |
| 23:26.24 | pittstains | some schmuck had Apache logging to a non-standard location, then didn't bother to add the file to logrotate |
| 23:26.33 | pittstains | that's a killler! |
| 23:26.41 | tonytraductor | automounting usb devices fine (except my android phone, which I just got today) |
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| 23:26.52 | tonytraductor | but not automounting from the card reader |
| 23:26.57 | pittstains | Jordan_U: thinking force the fsck is unnecessary, then? |
| 23:27.09 | Jordan_U | pittstains: Correct. |
| 23:27.36 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: It's possible there's a problem with the reader - you could try unplugging it and see if the machine boots normally, but at this point there's a serious chance that once you shut it down again, it's just not going to boot any more. |
| 23:27.56 | RedSky32 | why does pidgin for debian have no ms live support? |
| 23:27.58 | jhutchins_lt | Ever. |
| 23:28.07 | pittstains | Jordan_U: it's a half hour past quitting time here, so I think i'll check out. thank you SO much for your help. |
| 23:28.14 | jhutchins_lt | RedSky32: ms changed protocols. |
| 23:28.16 | Jordan_U | pittstains: You're welcome. |
| 23:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | RedSky32: I belive it's available in the newer version from backports. |
| 23:28.37 | RedSky32 | hmm? |
| 23:28.42 | RedSky32 | why would they take that out? |
| 23:28.58 | jhutchins_lt | RedSky32: Because they are Microsoft, and they are evil. |
| 23:29.41 | moldovean | RedSky32, /msg dpkg pidgin |
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| 23:30.37 | RedSky32 | is it safe for a desktop to just upgrade to testing? |
| 23:31.45 | jhutchins_lt | RedSky32: Safe as in will not harm the hardware? Yes. Safe as in everything just works? No. |
| 23:32.12 | RedSky32 | jhutchins_lt, will i run into much issue? |
| 23:32.19 | RedSky32 | i have run testing before and everything worked ok |
| 23:32.40 | jhutchins_lt | RedSky32: Hard to tell. That's why they call it testing. |
| 23:32.52 | RedSky32 | more stable then sid though right? heh |
| 23:33.03 | tonytraductor | I had this issue before, but don't remember how I resolved it. I though restarting restarted hal or something and that fixed it before |
| 23:33.11 | jhutchins_lt | RedSky32: Yes. Not necessarily less broken, but more stable. |
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| 23:33.33 | tuv | RedSky32: the upgrade may be non-trivial (must be attended). testing works fine most of the time, but don't be surprised if something breaks occasionally |
| 23:33.55 | tonytraductor | the one and only drawback of stable...old packages |
| 23:35.18 | compaq | My firefox can not open a .php file |
| 23:35.26 | compaq | I upgrade using backports |
| 23:35.36 | compaq | I don't know if it worked before though |
| 23:35.45 | tuv | my personal rule of thumb (may not apply to everyone): desktop -> testing. server -> stable |
| 23:36.30 | tonytraductor | oh...you have to tell the phone to mount itself on the computer |
| 23:36.52 | compaq | I am running apache2 on debian. I put a php script in my /var/www dir along with an html form. When it opens the .php script, it asks to download or open with |
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| 23:39.13 | RedSky32 | this might sound stupid but can you update an application that you are running? |
| 23:39.21 | RedSky32 | well i know you can just i just never figured out how that worked |
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| 23:40.27 | jhutchins_lt | RedSky32: It can work if the whole app is in RAM, can lead to unexpected consequences if it isn't. |
| 23:40.36 | compaq | RedSky32, I am pretty sure the restart |
| 23:40.41 | pipeline | the whole application will almost always be in RAM |
| 23:40.51 | RedSky32 | yea i mean updating gnome for instance |
| 23:40.59 | RedSky32 | when runnng gnome |
| 23:41.04 | pipeline | RedSky32: go for it. |
| 23:41.05 | jhutchins_lt | compaq: Firefox doesn't do anything with php files, they are supposed to be processed by the server. |
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| 23:41.20 | RedSky32 | update already started hehe |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | compaq: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed ? |
| 23:41.31 | RedSky32 | gnome is sooo much lighter in debian then ubuntu its almost amazing in fact |
| 23:41.33 | pipeline | RedSky32: the only things to really worry about are firefox and openoffice. They're both very picky about being overwritten in flight, not least because of their really ridiculous use of dlopen() and friends |
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| 23:43.15 | compaq | abrotman, yep, I followed this link http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/391 and everything check out |
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| 23:43.46 | RedSky32 | i can get rid of xfce now, although its great gnome is running really light right now |
| 23:43.54 | FatherTed_ | can anyone recommend a good IDE for gnome based c++ / sdl development? |
| 23:44.12 | RedSky32 | <3's emacs |
| 23:44.26 | zebradog | FatherTed_, the pope? |
| 23:45.00 | FatherTed_ | that would be an ecumenical matter |
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| 23:45.37 | zebradog | FatherTed_, jesus christ, didn't know you program |
| 23:45.38 | jaybinks | are there any pre-existing scripts / libraries to generate /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
| 23:45.46 | zebradog | FatherTed_, there's quite a few.. |
| 23:46.06 | zebradog | FatherTed_, kdevelop, anjuta.. |
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| 23:46.20 | tonytraductor | blas |
| 23:46.21 | abrotman | compaq: a2enmod php5 |
| 23:46.23 | RedSky32 | doesn't gnome have some sort of ide based thing somewhere? |
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| 23:46.49 | zebradog | RedSky32, like gnome-control-center? |
| 23:46.49 | RedSky32 | kde ppl love kdedevelop |
| 23:46.59 | compaq | abrotman, yep, actually, I made the file.php executable using chmod so I am gonna see if it work without that |
| 23:47.09 | tonytraductor | so |
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| 23:47.14 | pipeline | FatherTed_: the choice of IDE is in fact an ecumenical matter |
| 23:47.19 | abrotman | compaq: uhm .. |
| 23:47.36 | abrotman | RedSky32: anjuta and bluefish ... others depending what you want |
| 23:47.47 | abrotman | FatherTed_: anjuta |
| 23:47.48 | pipeline | FatherTed_: the most broadly supported options are emacs and eclipse. emacs has a learning curve like a brick wall. eclipse requires you to understand everything in the universe before tackling its C++ support. |
| 23:47.53 | RedSky32 | abrotman, i didn't have the question :) |
| 23:47.59 | RedSky32 | emacs all the way |
| 23:48.08 | FatherTed_ | just had a look at anjuta. when you create a new project, it seems to fill the project folder with loads of crap you didn't ask it to |
| 23:48.14 | pipeline | FatherTed_: there are a hundred billion also rans -- kdevelop, anjuta, monodevelop, that thing that got ported to windows, blah blah blah |
| 23:48.40 | pipeline | I use emacs because I am too lazy to learn how eclipse can help me do anything |
| 23:48.53 | RedSky32 | it won't |
| 23:49.06 | pipeline | eclipse will do c++ and java refuctoring |
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| 23:49.13 | pipeline | emacs cedet and jde not so much |
| 23:49.32 | RedSky32 | just code, nothing is going to write it for you |
| 23:49.35 | compaq | abrotman, yep, that was it, it works now, maybe making it chmod works too, but I think I accidentally did chown |
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| 23:49.59 | abrotman | compaq: you shoulnd't have to chmod the flie |
| 23:50.00 | abrotman | file |
| 23:50.10 | compaq | abrotman, yeah |
| 23:50.26 | compaq | abrotman, it works now, hehe, thanks for your help |
| 23:50.32 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 23:50.33 | tonytraductor | I don't like writing code with a sdk like eclipse. I'd rather just use a text editor and a terminal |
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| 23:50.39 | RedSky32 | what is the package in debian that has gnome themes? |
| 23:50.40 | Raydiation | is there a way how i can install only the deps of a program with aptitude? |
| 23:50.42 | RedSky32 | is it the obvious? |
| 23:51.04 | tonytraductor | gnome-themes, I believe |
| 23:51.10 | tonytraductor | you could apt-cache search gnome themes |
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| 23:51.29 | RedSky32 | system is updating dont really want to mess anything up too bad right now hehe |
| 23:51.50 | tonytraductor | I agree with pipeline, too lazy to learn how to use a complex sdk like eclipse...gimme an editor and a terminal |
| 23:51.57 | tonytraductor | although, I don't use emacs |
| 23:52.03 | RedSky32 | what do you use? |
| 23:52.16 | tonytraductor | tcltext, nano, or plain old gedit |
| 23:52.23 | RedSky32 | hmmm |
| 23:52.31 | RedSky32 | no emacs or ..........dfsdf.... vim ? |
| 23:52.34 | Raydiation | can i just take this packages from squeeze and install it on lenny? http://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/python-django |
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| 23:52.40 | tonytraductor | I wrote tcltext, so I'm kind of partial to that |
| 23:52.51 | tonytraductor | no vim, nope, never |
| 23:52.57 | abrotman | Raydiation: not likely, but you're welcome to try .. it may break stuff |
| 23:53.00 | tonytraductor | I would use emacs before vim |
| 23:53.02 | RedSky32 | Raydiation, i would just install it manually for the newest version |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | Raydiation: actually, no it won't .. some deps aren't satisfied |
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| 23:53.58 | RedSky32 | gotta restart |
| 23:54.12 | abrotman | !tell Raydiation about bpo |
| 23:54.13 | Joint | !key 3EFF4F272FB2CD80 |
| 23:54.40 | tharkun | Joint: ?? |
| 23:54.52 | Raydiation | abrotman: ty, but unfortunately there is no django 1.2.1 backport for lenny |
| 23:54.59 | Joint | I'm missing key 3EFF4F272FB2CD80 |
| 23:55.02 | abrotman | judd: versions python-django |
| 23:55.05 | judd | python-django -- etch: 0.95.1-1etch2; etch-security: 0.95.1-1etch2; etch-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.2-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.0.2-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.2.1-1; squeeze: 1.2.1-1 |
| 23:55.07 | Joint | how can i download it and put it on my apt? |
| 23:55.09 | abrotman | seems to be there to me ... |
| 23:55.21 | abrotman | !tell Joint about apt-key 2FB2CD80 |
| 23:55.27 | Joint | ty abrotman :) |
| 23:55.37 | FatherTed_ | i used to like coding things on the terminal with midnight commander. but the version of midnight commander i've got nowadays doesn't appear to do code syntax highlighting |
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| 23:56.23 | zebradog | FatherTed_, maybe it's the terminal setting.. ya big goof |
| 23:56.41 | FatherTed_ | the terminal setting? |
| 23:58.04 | pipeline | is it possible to build apt withotu super cow powers |
| 23:58.07 | pipeline | is there a build flag for that |
| 23:58.55 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: The purpose of such an option being what? |
| 23:59.05 | FatherTed_ | you'll have to excuse my ignorance. i took a break from linux around the time of debian woody, when a friend of mine put the crazy idea into my head that linux was only free if your time had no value. i've only just recently returned after a demoralizing stint on windows xp. |
| 23:59.17 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: dignity; a surfeit of bovines in one's home |
| 23:59.49 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg --reconfigure dignity |
| 23:59.49 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:59.52 | zebradog | FatherTed_, welcome back to the atheistic society. Time to upgrade! |
