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| 00:04.53 | Mandor | beefcube: cpulimit doesn't fork, it changes existing processes. The -e is used to find a preexisting process. |
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| 00:08.30 | salvin | is there a sponsor here? |
| 00:09.51 | Mandor | beefcube: perl -e '1 while 1' & |
| 00:10.30 | beefcube | Mandor: nvm, it just can't find the process by name |
| 00:10.38 | Mandor | beefcube: disown %perl |
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| 00:10.59 | Mandor | beefcube: cpulimit -e perl -l 5 & |
| 00:11.02 | Mandor | beefcube: top |
| 00:11.14 | Mandor | beefcube: working for me with the Perl example. |
| 00:11.58 | Mandor | beefcube: oh, cool. :) |
| 00:14.51 | beefcube | Mandor: disown %gvim |
| 00:15.05 | beefcube | Mandor: cpulimit -e gvim -l 5 & |
| 00:15.07 | beefcube | same error |
| 00:15.18 | Mandor | beefcube: ps aux|grep gvim |
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| 00:17.27 | Mandor | beefcube: even better, ps axo comm|grep -i gvim |
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| 00:18.22 | Mandor | beefcube: also, which gvim; ls -ld `which gvim` |
| 00:19.05 | Mandor | beefcube: it's possible that your gvim is an alias or a symlink, in which case the binary name will be different than what the argv[0] is for the running process. |
| 00:19.13 | beefcube | Mandor: ah |
| 00:19.13 | aiux | salvin, /msg dpkg mentor |
| 00:20.05 | Mandor | beefcube: that is, the name you use to start the program will be different than the argv[0] for the running process. :) |
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| 00:26.37 | thepro4e1er | woah |
| 00:27.04 | thepro4e1er | for some reason running 'cat mysql' broke my terminal, all the text looks like gibberish, even whats in the title bar and i can't exit out of it |
| 00:28.06 | thepro4e1er | its a binary |
| 00:28.12 | thepro4e1er | WHY DID IT BREAK MY TERMINAL |
| 00:29.17 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: type "reset" |
| 00:29.34 | jordanm | terminal emulators do funny anything when asked to do that |
| 00:29.43 | thepro4e1er | jordanm, when i type my typing looks like gibberish |
| 00:30.01 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: yes, you don't have to read reset after your type it... |
| 00:30.17 | thepro4e1er | jordanm: i typed it, hit enter, nothing happened, its all gibberish |
| 00:30.30 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: press enter |
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| 00:30.41 | thepro4e1er | jordanm, woah |
| 00:31.13 | thepro4e1er | jordanm, you need to include hit enter, wait 5 seconds |
| 00:31.22 | thepro4e1er | it doesn't change immediately |
| 00:31.34 | jordanm | yeah, does take a sec |
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| 00:34.19 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: fwiw, use hexdump to "cat" binaries |
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| 00:53.19 | kurt | Anybody familiar with the Canon 8800F in SANE? |
| 00:54.01 | SerajewelKS | the canon 8800f is inSANE? |
| 00:54.21 | kurt | Cute. |
| 00:54.22 | SerajewelKS | badum tish! |
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| 00:57.14 | apk | I have been reading about operation modes for dm-crypt, and some older articles mention that LRW-AES is not there yet, and others mention that XTS should supercede LRW-AES. Are either of those supported at this point? |
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| 01:06.46 | thepro4e1er | how do I delete a user? for instance I want to delete the mysql user |
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| 01:07.07 | apk | thepro4e1er: man deluser |
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| 01:09.15 | jimcooncat | x2go, neatx, freenx -- are any x-proxy/compression programs like these well-working and easily installable? |
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| 01:11.38 | karter | i want an iso of debian - is this several discs ? |
| 01:11.39 | karter | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/ia64/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:11.54 | karter | isn't there a simple minimal thing available as a single iso ? |
| 01:12.39 | thepro4e1er | karter, do what i did an burn an iso from debian.org onto a cd, in order to burn an iso image you need special software capable of doing it such as nero or infrarecorder |
| 01:13.05 | karter | there are like 30 files there |
| 01:13.07 | karter | iso |
| 01:13.15 | karter | which one should I get ? |
| 01:14.05 | thepro4e1er | you get the one based on your system architecture |
| 01:14.31 | apk | karter: If the machine you are installing to will have internet at runtime, you only need the first disc. You could also use the smaller netinstall cd. |
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| 01:15.24 | karter | netinstall will work with vm ? |
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| 01:15.29 | aiux | karter, amd64 if 64 bit or i386 |
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| 01:15.33 | jimcooncat | likes the netinstall cd |
| 01:15.42 | apk | karter: You mean like installing onto a VMWare VM? Yes. |
| 01:15.43 | PinkFreud | hey folks. I've tried recompiling Squeeze's Xen packages for, uh, That Other Distro, but I'm seeing some strange differences between the newly compiled packages and the original packages from squeeze - namely that my packages are defaulting to ioemu for domUs, when qemu-dm has been removed. |
| 01:16.07 | karter | apk: yes |
| 01:16.30 | apk | karter: I've done it dozens of times. |
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| 01:16.35 | karter | will this do the trick: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 01:16.46 | gnz11 | yeah tod is like that . it modifies sid to make its binaries to start with |
| 01:16.47 | karter | and the internet connection should take care of the rest ? |
| 01:16.49 | PinkFreud | The packages, as installed in Squeeze, work as expected, not relying on the missing qemu-dm to boot a domU. I'm at a complete loss as to why rebuilding from the source package via dpkg-buildpackage would give me Xen packages which behave differently, though. |
| 01:16.51 | apk | karter: Assuming your guest VM is i386, yes. |
| 01:16.56 | karter | ok cool |
| 01:16.57 | karter | thakns |
| 01:17.25 | PinkFreud | Any ideas why the source packages for Xen 3.4 in Squeeze don't appear to match the binary packages? |
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| 01:18.13 | gnz11 | sueeze is slightly nstable. the binaries have been tweaked for stable |
| 01:18.46 | PinkFreud | gnz11: er, are you talking to me? |
| 01:18.50 | gnz11 | y |
| 01:19.21 | PinkFreud | gnz11: the source package should produce a binary package which works like Squeeze's binary package, though. |
| 01:19.31 | PinkFreud | What I'm seeing is that it *doesn't*. |
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| 01:20.22 | PinkFreud | Somehow, the packages I wound up creating from the source packages in squeeze rely on the missing qemu-dm to boot a domU, which is silly - it's missing! |
| 01:22.36 | PinkFreud | I simply can't figure out why Xen packages compiled from the source packages used in squeeze would behave differently than the binary packages do in squeeze - in theory, both should have been created from the same source package. |
| 01:23.00 | PinkFreud | So why would the final result change in behavior? |
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| 01:41.51 | uRock | Hello, I am try to install squeeze and not matter which mirror I pick for the US, it fails, does anyone know what may be causing this? |
| 01:42.43 | puff | Hm, I'm reading the docs for how to set up mailman with postfix. It mostly makes sense, but I can't ever remember having to do this in the past. |
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| 01:43.22 | abrotman | "this" ? |
| 01:43.34 | puff | http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#MailmanwithPostfix |
| 01:43.37 | abrotman | uRock: your network isn't functioning ? |
| 01:43.48 | puff | All this fiddling about to get mailman and postfix playing well together. |
| 01:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | or gremlins are dancing on the wire? |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | you don't have to do all of that .. |
| 01:44.23 | uRock | Network is working fine |
| 01:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can reach this fine: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 01:44.55 | ognyannik | uRock: change mirror |
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| 01:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and this: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 01:45.48 | puff | abrotman: Okay, well I have mailman and postfix, and postfix handed off my test message to mailman, but mailman can't get a connection to send it back out through postfix. |
| 01:46.00 | uRock | I have tried all of the US and Mexico ones, I have the feeling it is a NIC issue, I don't know if I need to do anything to get it to see the nic |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | puff: did you try /usr/share/doc/mailman/ ? |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | uRock: what makes you think the network is fine? |
| 01:46.25 | puff | Good point. |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | points |
| 01:47.00 | uRock | The netbook I am using right beside it is on the same network and I just restarted the install machine from ubuntu |
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| 01:47.38 | abrotman | so? |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | it doesn't mean it's configured for the target machine correctly |
| 01:48.48 | puff | abrotman: Nothing of note there, other than a pointer to /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py for using postfix/mailman with a virtual domain (e.g. lists.yourdomain.com) |
| 01:48.52 | uRock | I guess we are getting at the same thing, I pinged from the one I am talking on and the NIC on the target machine is not responding |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | sounds misconfigured ... |
| 01:49.29 | uRock | I have the router reserving the IP for that MAC address |
| 01:49.40 | PinkFreud | stabs the Xen packages in squeeze. |
| 01:50.04 | uRock | Is there anything I can run in the Debian installer to get it to connect? |
| 01:50.06 | puff | uRock: Step 1, can you ping the wonky machine? |
| 01:50.12 | PinkFreud | I'm starting to become convinced that the source packages for Xen in squeeze are not what the binaries were created from. |
| 01:50.12 | uRock | no |
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| 01:51.52 | puff | uRock: I spent too many hours, last month, trying to figure out what was wrong with this machine. I tried everything I could think of, but I couldn't get it on the network. I concluded that the NIC was hosed. |
| 01:51.57 | PinkFreud | This is a brick wall I should not be banging my head against. |
| 01:52.31 | uRock | It works fine with ubuntu and W7 |
| 01:52.55 | puff | uRock: Ah, so then you know it's not the NIC, cable, port, et. |
| 01:53.09 | uRock | yes |
| 01:53.34 | uRock | I tried to install debian a few months ago with the disk set and it couldn't connect either |
| 01:53.41 | uRock | on the same system |
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| 01:53.48 | puff | uRock: Dunno what the issue could be in particular, but you might try a different installer. |
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| 01:54.31 | puff | uRock: I had a similar issue with ubuntu and a CD-ROM, turned out to be something funky about the particular drivers on that flavor of install disk. I ended up using an alternative install CD and it worked fine. |
| 01:54.38 | puff | uRock: Just a wild guess there, but. |
| 01:55.31 | Mandor | uRock: have you tried changing to a different VT and running ping to one of the mirrors? |
| 01:55.46 | Mandor | uRock: or even just ifconfig -a? |
| 01:56.08 | uRock | Mandor, I am in the debian installer |
| 01:56.23 | uRock | trying to connect for netinstal |
| 01:56.29 | Mandor | uRock: Debian installer should support control+alt+f2 or the like. |
| 01:56.42 | puff | abrotman: So, the mailman log showed: The mailman log shows "Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed out')," |
| 01:57.32 | uRock | ifconfig: not found |
| 01:57.46 | puff | uRock ifconfig --all? |
| 01:57.46 | PinkFreud | blegh. fine. I'm chalking this up to the source packages Debian is providing not being the same packages the binaries were compiled from. |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | uRock: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:58.04 | PinkFreud | I'll file a bug report later tonight. |
| 01:59.12 | uRock | ifconfig -all and /sbin/ifconfig return not found |
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| 02:00.41 | uRock | how do I exit back to the installer? |
| 02:01.20 | puff | How'd you get to where oyu are? |
| 02:01.40 | uRock | ctrl alt f2 |
| 02:01.43 | puff | If oyu got a virtual termianl by using ctrl-alt-f1, then alt-f7 should take you back to the gui. |
| 02:01.47 | puff | Right, same hting. |
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| 02:02.10 | Mandor | uRock: ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 02:04.30 | Mandor | Ah. |
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| 02:04.40 | Mandor | uRock: sorry, I was speaking based on older versions. |
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| 02:04.57 | Mandor | uRock: with squeeze, type "ip address" instead of "ifconfig -a" |
| 02:05.14 | uRock | darn, I hit ctrl alt esc |
| 02:05.28 | uRock | When I get there again I give it a try |
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| 02:06.15 | uRock | I am also using the daily build netinst iso |
| 02:08.15 | OldParr | is there any other software like x-sane |
| 02:11.06 | thepro4e1er | does debian install from rpm files? |
| 02:11.21 | thepro4e1er | cd /var |
| 02:11.24 | thepro4e1er | woops |
| 02:11.51 | Mandor | thepro4e1er: no, from .deb files. |
| 02:12.12 | Mandor | thepro4e1er: although tools like alien will let debian install .rpm files anyway. |
| 02:12.46 | thepro4e1er | is there a company that has debian servers available for rent? |
| 02:12.51 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 02:12.51 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 02:12.57 | thepro4e1er | woah |
| 02:13.40 | thepro4e1er | man those look expensive |
| 02:14.37 | OldParr | x-sane does not recognizes the scanner is there any other software to scan? |
| 02:15.05 | uRock | doesn't gimp have a scan util? |
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| 02:21.11 | puff | Hm, okay, so I'm thinking about backing out my changes to /var/lib/mailman and testing the default install. |
| 02:21.30 | puff | I made a backup via "cp -a /var/lib/mailman ~/mailmanbackup" before I started. |
| 02:22.05 | puff | Can I just "mv /var/lib/mailman /var/lib/mailmannew; cp -a ~/mailmanbackup /var/lib/mailman", or will that gum up links & etc? |
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| 02:23.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar? |
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| 02:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | cp -a should be ok, too |
| 02:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just never use it |
| 02:24.06 | uRock | well, after letting it do a minimal install, I not have a work command only system that does connect to the net |
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| 02:24.12 | luumanh | hi people, i'm trying to upgrade to squeeze and i get this error |
| 02:24.13 | luumanh | job-working-directory: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 02:24.19 | luumanh | does anyone familiar with it? |
| 02:24.19 | uRock | now what do I do to install the desktop system? |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | uRock: which desktop ? |
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| 02:24.45 | uRock | gnome |
| 02:24.45 | luumanh | i got a lot of this error while running system upgrade |
| 02:24.48 | luumanh | anyone? |
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| 02:25.08 | uRock | abrotman, gnome |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman | uRock: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
| 02:25.44 | uRock | sweet, after that I should have the full GUI? |
| 02:26.42 | Mandor | luumanh: run "cd" before you start the upgrade. |
| 02:27.07 | uRock | It couldn't find anything, I gues I will have to edit sources.list first? |
| 02:27.20 | Mandor | uRock: did your network issue get resolved? |
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| 02:28.02 | Mandor | uRock: if you did a netinst install, "aptitude install gnome" will need to download gnome from the network. |
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| 02:29.06 | uRock | Mandor, the NIC is working now, it shows with "ip address" and I can ping it |
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| 02:29.18 | uRock | but it says it can't find the packages |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | uRock: yes, you'll have to add a network source ... |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | uRock: which country are you in ? |
| 02:29.34 | uRock | us |
| 02:29.44 | luumanh | weee , worked awesomeeee, thanks Mandor :) |
| 02:30.01 | uRock | nevada to be specific |
| 02:30.09 | Mandor | luumanh: HTH. :) |
| 02:30.52 | abrotman | uRock: which versoin of debian ? |
| 02:30.53 | luumanh | yay! :) |
| 02:30.59 | uRock | squeeze |
| 02:31.04 | luumanh | lol |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | uRock: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 02:31.28 | uRock | how do I enter it? |
| 02:31.37 | abrotman | with an editor ? |
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| 02:31.43 | juw | ?ADCC SEND "ff???f?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?..?" 0 0 0 |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | or you can (very carefully) |
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| 02:32.12 | abrotman | echo "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:32.12 | uRock | abrotman, do I try gedit without a gui? |
| 02:32.16 | abrotman | and the >> is VERY important |
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| 02:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess he's not coming back |
| 02:34.19 | uRock | do I put the echo and the "" |
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| 02:34.28 | uRock | getting syntax error |
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| 02:34.49 | abrotman | you type it just like i did |
| 02:34.52 | Mandor | uRock: try nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:35.24 | Mandor | nano is a text-oriented text editor, very friendly for people without a Unix background. |
| 02:35.41 | abrotman | or he could just do what i ddi and be done! |
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| 02:36.01 | Mandor | abrotman: yes, either way. :) But if he learns nano, he'll have a generally useful tool. |
| 02:36.25 | krisfremen | vim! |
| 02:36.25 | Mandor | abrotman: which is likely to help in more circumstances than appending to files. |
| 02:36.30 | abrotman | Mandor: if he's asking how to use gedit without a GUI .. i doubt he'll be doing much nano work |
| 02:36.40 | uRock | cool, now I just add the line then save it? |
| 02:36.41 | Mandor | abrotman: fair enough. :) Either way. |
| 02:36.46 | Mandor | uRock: yup. |
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| 02:41.02 | Mandor | uRock: the ^ symbols on the bottom refer to control characters. control-o to save, control-x to exit. |
| 02:41.53 | Mandor | Once you save, you can run aptitude update, which will cause Debian to learn about your sources. |
| 02:42.16 | Mandor | Then you can run the aptitude install command abrotman provided earlier. |
| 02:42.42 | uRock | it is working |
| 02:42.47 | Mandor | Great! |
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| 02:44.53 | Mandor | uRock: normally Debian would set up a network source as part of the install. The inability to autodiscover the NIC, though, will cause it to think you don't have network, and so not set that up. |
| 02:45.23 | uRock | Thanx Mandor, abrotman, ognyannik, puff |
| 02:45.41 | uRock | I am glad you helped me get it straight |
| 02:45.44 | uRock | thanx |
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| 02:46.00 | Mandor | HTH. |
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| 02:49.23 | MrJK | Hi |
| 02:49.47 | MrJK | there is a heritage mecanism for values of attributes in ldap ? |
| 02:51.37 | Mandor | MrJK: you mean is there inheritance? AFAIK, no. Only elements that combine to form the dn are inherited. |
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| 02:51.40 | \amethyst | MrJK: #ldap might know more than us |
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| 02:53.07 | MrJK | Mandor: so it works only for classes, but not for the value of attributes? |
| 02:53.40 | MrJK | \amethyst: I tried on #openldap, but nobdy answered me :s |
| 02:53.47 | Mandor | MrJK: AFAIK, no. Although your implementation might have something special. |
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| 02:54.12 | MrJK | Mandor: ok, like a custom compilation, or something like that |
| 02:54.17 | Mandor | MrJK: that is, not for attribute values. The schema are different. |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | MrJK: i'd probably try during the day (eastern US day) .. they seem more active then |
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| 02:55.08 | MrJK | Mandor: I'm making my schema |
| 02:55.28 | Mandor | MrJK: I meant might depend on which LDAP implementation you are using. The protocol doesn't have attribute value inheritance, but a particular LDAP (OpenLDAP, Sun, AD, samba4, etc.) might. |
| 02:55.29 | unkmar | I have a version of debian installed, likely stable. how do I determine the version? |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | !version |
| 02:55.39 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 02:57.36 | katesmith | oh wow |
| 02:57.36 | unkmar | Ok, I appear to have Lenny. 5.0.4 |
| 02:57.49 | katesmith | there is a lot of people in here |
| 02:57.51 | MrJK | Mandor: ok, but in this case, I can/could break compatibility with other servers/clients |
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| 02:57.58 | katesmith | i hope i am allowed to be in here ? |
| 02:58.07 | unkmar | if this is a stable version, can I migrate/upg/win 2 |
| 02:58.10 | unkmar | oops. |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | to what? |
| 02:58.21 | Mandor | MrJK: something like attribute value inheritance would be internal to the server. |
| 02:59.03 | Mandor | MrJK: i.e. transparent to the client. So a vendor can reasonably implement it as an implementation-specific option without breaking the protocol. |
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| 02:59.27 | Mandor | MrJK: at least IMHO. :) |
| 02:59.30 | unkmar | if this is a stable version, can I migrate/upgrade to a not so stable version. |
| 02:59.33 | MrJK | Mandor: ok, thank a lot for your help :) |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | unkmar: why do you want to do that? |
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| 03:00.00 | Mandor | MrJK: HTH. |
| 03:00.18 | unkmar | abrotman: crappy old laptop, horrible flash response on websites. Hoping to improve my browsing experience. |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | so you want more unstable software? great plan |
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| 03:01.59 | dkay | hello |
| 03:02.22 | dkay | could i do something wrong when i do a tar.gz file with some .tar files= |
| 03:02.23 | dkay | ? |
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| 03:03.46 | unkmar | dkay: huh? sorry, that quest was as clear as mud. |
| 03:03.53 | unkmar | dkay: *question. |
| 03:04.10 | dkay | ehm^^ |
| 03:04.22 | dkay | there is a folder, and in this folder are already some .tar files |
| 03:04.35 | dkay | i want to create a tar.gz file from the whole folder |
| 03:04.45 | dkay | there are also some untared files in it |
| 03:05.01 | dkay | so i just would do a tar czvf source.tar.gz source |
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| 03:05.15 | Mandor | dkay: no problem at all. |
| 03:05.15 | unkmar | dkay: okay, so you will have a tar file with a tar file in it. or you could choose to exclude it from the files that would be tarred. |
| 03:05.40 | dkay | no, i want a tar.gz (gzipped) with some tar files |
| 03:05.53 | unkmar | dkay: that isn't a problem. |
| 03:05.56 | Mandor | dkay: no problem. You can have .tar files within a .tar file. |
| 03:06.12 | unkmar | dkay: I have done so a few times both on purpose and by accident. |
| 03:06.16 | dkay | would the .tar file be smaller after gzipping it? |
| 03:06.44 | dkay | or weres better to create only tar.gz files |
| 03:06.50 | unkmar | tar files by themselves generally not compressed. So yes, gzipping will likely shrink the tar file. |
| 03:07.22 | unkmar | dkay: but you are likely to get a better compression if you simply gzip the end tar file not the ones in the middle. |
| 03:07.25 | dkay | ive used only .tar in the past, but now i get always a "software caused connection abort" when trying to put a >2GB file to my mounted ftp device |
| 03:08.17 | dkay | .tar is really the simplest |
| 03:08.40 | dkay | so i need to gzip some |
| 03:08.46 | dkay | untar and tar.gz :( |
| 03:09.10 | unkmar | dkay: tar is for creating an archive file, putting multiple files into one file. |
| 03:09.17 | dkay | yes |
| 03:09.20 | unkmar | gzip is for compressing a single file. |
| 03:09.28 | dkay | therefore, it wasnt needed to compress |
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| 03:09.31 | dkay | till now :S |
| 03:09.56 | dkay | i can put up to 1.5gb, then it disconnects |
| 03:09.59 | dkay | any ideas why? |
| 03:10.04 | dkay | i use curlftpfs |
| 03:10.12 | dkay | the os is debian lenny, |
| 03:10.15 | dkay | curlftpfs |
| 03:10.23 | dkay | and a normal ftp login |
| 03:10.36 | unkmar | dkay: look at, "tar, gzip, split" |
| 03:11.34 | dkay | <unkmar>gzip is for compressing a single file. |
| 03:11.37 | unkmar | dkay: in other words. you can create your large tar, gzip it, and if it is still too large, split it. |
| 03:11.44 | dkay | yes |
| 03:11.58 | dkay | i can also gzip several files? |
| 03:12.27 | dkay | uhm, excuse my english |
| 03:12.35 | dkay | i can also gzip more than one file or? |
| 03:12.46 | unkmar | dkay: My knowledge of how to use gzip over multiple files is not good. |
| 03:12.55 | Mandor | dkay: yes, you can. |
| 03:13.05 | dkay | crap, that was a reason for using tar |
| 03:13.06 | Mandor | dkay: you can gzip *.tar or the like. |
| 03:13.09 | dkay | was the simplest :/ |
| 03:13.22 | Mandor | dkay: however, gzip does each file in place. |
| 03:13.45 | Mandor | So when you gzip several files, they are still several files, just now gzipped. |
| 03:13.48 | unkmar | Mandor: does that create multiple gzip files from the multiple tar files? |
| 03:13.52 | dkay | let me say i have a folder with many subfolders and many files |
| 03:14.09 | dkay | when i do a tar czvf mainfolder.tar.gt mainfolder |
| 03:14.14 | Mandor | unkmar: yes. |
| 03:14.19 | dkay | it would gzip all recurselvly? |
| 03:14.26 | Mandor | dkay: yes. |
| 03:14.39 | Mandor | dkay: feel free to test. :) |
| 03:14.59 | dkay | ye |
| 03:15.13 | dkay | it weres just annoying :S |
| 03:15.24 | dkay | got this files and folders double |
| 03:15.47 | Mandor | dkay: if you switch from ftp to ssh, it will probably handle 2gbps+ files better. |
| 03:15.57 | Mandor | Er. 2GB+ files better. |
| 03:16.06 | dkay | i though about to rsync them to ftp |
| 03:16.10 | Mandor | And ssh has sshfs. |
| 03:16.22 | dkay | i cant, it is a simple ftp backup space |
| 03:16.32 | Mandor | If you use rsync instead, you can use -e ssh. |
| 03:16.37 | Mandor | Oh, too bad. |
| 03:16.58 | dkay | i mount it and then i connect |
| 03:17.16 | dkay | but rsyncing would copy every file single and it wouldnt disconnect i guess |
| 03:17.28 | dkay | uhm |
| 03:17.41 | Mandor | rsync has options that work on a directory, too. |
| 03:17.46 | dkay | yes |
| 03:17.48 | dkay | i know |
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| 03:17.59 | dkay | but i need to figure out once again :S |
| 03:18.11 | dkay | didnt used rsync very often :P |
| 03:18.12 | thepro4e1er | OH YEAH!!!I GOT MYSQL WORKING ON DEBIAN LENNY |
| 03:18.27 | thepro4e1er | but i have no idea how to put data in it |
| 03:18.33 | dkay | isnt it just that simple to do a aptitude install mysql-server? |
| 03:18.34 | dkay | lol |
| 03:18.35 | thepro4e1er | but i can query time from it, yayyyy |
| 03:19.06 | thepro4e1er | dkay, yeah its simple, i guess when you are unfamiliar with both databases and linux |
| 03:19.24 | dkay | then u shouldnt need a mysql database :S |
| 03:19.38 | dkay | but no worries :P i am also not really a systemadmin |
| 03:19.49 | thepro4e1er | dkay: i'm learning mysql |
| 03:19.52 | dkay | far away from the smiling roots :D |
| 03:20.22 | thepro4e1er | dkay: and winging it with linux which i'm clueless about, i spent about an hour and a half trying to figure out where all the separate pieces of mysql-server get installed too |
| 03:20.42 | Mandor | thepro4e1er: congratulations! |
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| 03:22.24 | dkay | thepro4e1er u dont need to put data in a mysql database |
| 03:22.44 | woodworks | thepro4e1er: great! now uninstall and install postgresql instead! |
| 03:22.49 | dkay | the apps who use mysql are putting data in it |
| 03:23.02 | thepro4e1er | woodworks, postgresql sounds old |
| 03:23.10 | thepro4e1er | woodworks, just the name of it gave me a gray hair |
| 03:23.29 | dkay | its called postgre and not postgray^^ |
| 03:23.33 | dkay | *jokingly* |
| 03:23.37 | thepro4e1er | hah |
| 03:23.47 | dkay | but i dont like postgre also! i also dont like postfix |
| 03:23.51 | woodworks | oh no! its really quite hip nowadays |
| 03:24.04 | thepro4e1er | ok grandpa |
| 03:24.26 | dkay | bind, nginx sounds nice |
| 03:24.30 | woodworks | winces as thepro4e1er hits nail on the head |
| 03:24.38 | dkay | and such ! but my wow mod from css needs a mysql :D |
| 03:24.45 | dkay | its the most supported sql |
| 03:25.01 | woodworks | also almost the least compliant |
| 03:25.26 | woodworks | BUT, whatever twists thou wick |
| 03:25.36 | thepro4e1er | woah |
| 03:25.52 | thepro4e1er | twisting a wick woah i can't wrap my brain around that |
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| 03:28.06 | githogori | I hate asking questions here, because I find this to be the unfriendliest chat space, but here goes anyway . . . |
| 03:28.08 | githogori | Env: 64-bit debian unstable. built kernel 2.6.3.33 then did an apt-get upgrade. |
| 03:28.17 | githogori | Found I needed to rebuild the kernel for my eth0 - but failed. All my 64-bit machines failing the same way. |
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| 03:29.30 | githogori | /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.3/arch/x86/include/asm/bitops.h: In function ‘set_bit’: and so on . . . |
| 03:30.23 | githogori | It seems I am not able to autogenerate the 64-bit stuff during the build. |
| 03:30.48 | puff | So, I'm still trying to track down my postfix/mailman problems, and it looks like something's odd about postfix. |
| 03:31.14 | githogori | Haven't figured out what changed in the apt-get since I do this all the time and it doesn't fail quite this badly. |
| 03:31.26 | puff | netstat -nlp shows "master" on port 25, not smtpd: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 27125/master |
| 03:31.33 | puff | And "telnet localhost 25" just hangs there forever. |
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| 03:31.56 | puff | Anybody have an clue? |
| 03:32.12 | githogori | If anybody out there has seen this - didn't see it in bugs - and have got an idea, please let me know - thanks. |
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| 03:35.03 | Mandor | puff: master is correct. Hanging is not. |
| 03:35.09 | Mandor | puff: any messages in syslog? |
| 03:35.24 | Mandor | puff: are you able to do DNS resolution? |
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| 03:45.00 | puff | Mandor: Checking. |
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| 03:48.26 | puff | Mandor: Hm, I see the message starting, handed off to mailman, nothing else. Lots of spam rejects, etc. |
| 03:49.00 | puff | Mandor: Not sure what you mean about dns resolution. Dig works from the shell. |
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| 03:50.52 | uRock | thanx/ |
| 03:51.28 | Pnux | hey, can anybody remind me how to be able to use sudo after a fresh install? I just need the name, ill look it up myself |
| 03:51.42 | simonrvn | visudo is the editor |
| 03:51.49 | Pnux | simonrvn: thanks |
| 03:52.44 | uRock | When my new login screen comes up it won't let me sign in with the name and password I created at install. I am signed in to terminal how do I create a new account? |
| 03:52.51 | simonrvn | ok |
| 03:53.14 | unkmar | uRock: you could also reset your password. |
| 03:53.25 | uRock | kool, how do I do that? |
| 03:53.26 | wols | uRock: adduser |
| 03:53.26 | simonrvn | uRock: have capslock on, or was it on when you did the password? |
| 03:53.38 | wols | uRock: and to change the password, run "passwd" |
| 03:54.24 | unkmar | uRock: only problem is that without root, it will ask for your current pass before resetting. :/ |
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| 03:54.55 | simonrvn | which is why i was going to suggest su - to root, then run passwd whateverusernameitis |
| 03:55.04 | unkmar | uRock: and adding a user without giving it sudo access isn't going to help you either. |
| 03:55.14 | wols | really likes people calling this channel "unfriendliest" and immediately ask for help |
| 03:55.47 | puff | Does debian have postfix's default config block localhost port 25? |
| 03:55.47 | simonrvn | people do and say thing they don't realise they did. |
| 03:55.50 | wols | unkmar: why does a user need sudo? |
| 03:55.52 | simonrvn | thins* |
| 03:55.52 | unkmar | wols: this channel is so unfriendly. Do you think you could help me rip my arm off and feed it to an alligator? |
| 03:56.03 | simonrvn | puff: uh, no. |
| 03:56.05 | woodworks | wols: didn't get much help did he? |
| 03:56.19 | simonrvn | things* bah. |
| 03:56.31 | Mandor | puff: are you able to resolve your hostname? |
| 03:56.35 | wols | woodworks: well, with an attitude like that, I doubt he will. why would anyone help him? besides: !sid |
| 03:56.39 | simonrvn | (proving my point ;) |
| 03:56.51 | Mandor | puff: getent hosts `hostname` |
| 03:56.56 | simonrvn | seriously? he's running sid? |
| 03:57.10 | Mandor | puff: also try getent hosts `hostname --fqdn` |
| 03:57.15 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:57.22 | simonrvn | *facepalm* |
| 03:57.22 | wols | puff: why woult default postfix block port 25? what debian has/had is chroot for some postfix components tho. |
| 03:57.35 | wols | simonrvn: the guy with the kernel thing is |
| 03:58.00 | Mandor | puff: in general, getent hosts (and dig) for everything that looks like a hostname in the postfix config. |
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| 03:58.29 | Mandor | puff: for these purposes, dig is actually better than getent hosts. Sorry for sending you the wrong way. :) |
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| 03:59.08 | puff | Mandor: Yeah, that resolved. |
| 03:59.13 | wols | puff: how is postfix supposed to hand over the mail the mailmain? |
| 03:59.16 | wols | *mailman |
| 03:59.20 | puff | Tha tis, getent got back the ip address and domain name. |
| 03:59.31 | puff | wols: It's vice versa that's the problem. |
| 03:59.37 | Mandor | puff: how about dig? |
| 03:59.49 | puff | Mandor: dig on the hostname? yeah, resolves. |
| 04:00.02 | Mandor | puff: if telnet localhost 25 hangs without a banner, I would troubleshoot that before worrying about mailman. |
| 04:00.04 | puff | To the same IP address, even :-). |
| 04:00.18 | puff | Mandor: Yeah, that's where I started. Mailman is what lead me to that. |
| 04:00.23 | simonrvn | gets ready to go to sleep |
| 04:00.30 | brbrbr | #debian-offtopic |
| 04:00.33 | Mandor | puff: no useful log messages? |
| 04:00.43 | simonrvn | brbrbr: /join helps |
| 04:01.04 | puff | Mandor: Not that I can see... lemme restart postfix and look at the startup messages. |
| 04:01.19 | puff | I have, btw, debian with postfix, amavis/clamav, and mailman. |
| 04:01.20 | brbrbr | simonrvm tnx, but just missed correct window, sry[should be pm ;] |
| 04:01.26 | Mandor | puff: are you doing LDAP or any other fancy lookups? |
| 04:02.03 | Mandor | puff: might want to tcpdump on the mail server (excluding ssh or telnet) and see what it's trying to do. This really smells like a lookup issue. |
| 04:02.08 | uRock | unkmar, how do I give my new account root privies? |
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| 04:02.18 | wols | puff: you didn't answer my question |
| 04:02.32 | puff | wols: Yeah, the #postfix guys think it's chroot that's the problem. |
| 04:02.39 | puff | Mandor: No ldap or anything. |
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| 04:03.06 | wols | puff: they ALWAYS do, no matter if it is or isn't. they really really hate the chroot |
| 04:03.23 | Mandor | puff: might want to strace -f -o /tmp/log /etc/init.d/postfix restart to see what postfix is doing when you connect. |
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| 04:03.29 | wols | uRock: you don't |
| 04:03.42 | simonrvn | the (#)postfix people? yes, they really do. |
| 04:03.47 | wols | uRock: you already have a perfectly fine root account |
| 04:03.53 | uRock | k |
| 04:03.54 | puff | wols: Which question? |
| 04:04.04 | uRock | I just wanted to make sure |
| 04:04.04 | unkmar | wols: that was what I was getting at with uRock . |
| 04:04.07 | uRock | thanx |
| 04:04.28 | puff | wols: Yeah, and when I asked for a bit more of a hint they said "read README.Debian!", which says... "1. The Debian install is chrooted by default." |
| 04:04.45 | simonrvn | uRock: oh my goodness no, don't do that. that's effing dangerous to your box. that's like ircing as "Administrator" on windows. |
| 04:04.58 | uRock | I know |
| 04:05.10 | simonrvn | well, having windows is dangerous on its own, but we won't get into that ;). |
| 04:05.40 | uRock | The way unkmar said it earlier I was scared I wouldn't be able to get to root from the new account via term |
| 04:05.51 | puff | I get chroot in concept, but I'm drawing a blank on why that would make "telnet port 25" hang. |
| 04:05.54 | uRock | I am set for now, I think |
| 04:06.28 | simonrvn | probably a socket, or no access to a /dev file, or some other silly thing. |
| 04:06.29 | wols | puff: it wouldn't. I'd remove (and purge!!) all of postfix with dpkg, make sure /etc/postfix is empty, and reinstall postfix |
| 04:06.36 | unkmar | uRock: are you able to sudo with what you have now? |
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| 04:06.54 | wols | the default debian install doesn't make connections to port25 hang. so if it still does hang, check stuff like your firewall and such |
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| 04:07.23 | wols | unkmar: he was able to log in to that account so its password was working. no need to confuse him with bullshit |
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| 04:07.29 | puff | wols: Hm, okay... |
| 04:07.32 | simonrvn | the default debian one certainly doesn't, but s/he may have done something since ;). |
| 04:07.50 | wols | simonrvn: exactly. hence the reinstall with a "clean" config |
| 04:07.52 | uRock | unkmar, I just signed logged into Synaptic with the root password |
| 04:08.00 | uRock | I think it is good to go now |
| 04:08.02 | unkmar | uRock: then you are fine. |
| 04:08.10 | puff | wols: this is on a hosted box. Virtual server image, actually. Xen, I think. |
| 04:08.20 | uRock | thanx for the help |
| 04:08.20 | wols | puff: and? |
| 04:08.48 | puff | I don't have a firewall. |
| 04:09.06 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 04:12.22 | unkmar | what can i do to get better performance out of this 1.5Ghz laptop. My website flash response is as bad as the flash on my 500mhz pda. |
| 04:13.21 | puff | However, while I don't have a firewall, I do have postfix configured with some client checks and helo checks, I wonderif those could be hanging me up. |
| 04:13.55 | thepro4e1er | woah |
| 04:14.00 | thepro4e1er | my audio seems to be busted |
| 04:14.13 | thepro4e1er | i'm hearing repeats of music on youtube |
| 04:14.18 | thepro4e1er | topas |
| 04:15.03 | thepro4e1er | i can see epiphany browser eating up 30% of the cpu but thats normal for me |
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| 04:16.41 | unkmar | gets board, makes a noose and attempts to hang himself. |
| 04:16.56 | unkmar | collapses to the floor as the thread snaps. |
| 04:17.16 | unkmar | Guess, thread isn't thick enough. :P |
| 04:17.36 | thepro4e1er | the sound of your depression is garbled coming through debian |
| 04:18.05 | thepro4e1er | woah it started working for no reason |
| 04:18.56 | unkmar | thepro4e1er: that isn't the sound of my depression. That is the Nali cow mooing that I have been caring for. |
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| 04:29.34 | uRock | COuld someone help me out by making this command into and example? |
| 04:29.35 | uRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.51 | SerajewelKS | uRock: m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 04:30.37 | uRock | I was wondering about how to place the kernel number and driver number |
| 04:30.51 | SerajewelKS | you don't |
| 04:31.00 | SerajewelKS | you can specify the kernel version with -l |
| 04:31.14 | uRock | ok, thanx |
| 04:31.16 | SerajewelKS | but you do not need to if you are building for your current kernel |
| 04:31.26 | uRock | ok |
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| 04:40.54 | WormFood | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/38628 <-- has this exploit been patched in stable yet? |
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| 04:43.38 | uRock | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free does this need the .us added in after ftp in order to work right? |
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| 04:50.08 | jm | uRock: it's ideal |
| 04:50.15 | uRock | ty |
| 04:50.21 | jm | it's a dns pool of active us mirrors |
| 04:50.35 | jm | which should work better than ftp.debian.org |
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| 04:51.29 | uRock | sweet, thanx |
| 04:52.08 | simonrvn | WormFood: the versions in lenny are older than those. check their respective changelogs. (PDO has 'em, or qa.d.o) |
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| 05:07.26 | uRock | I have installed an nvidia driver and nvidia-config, how do I get to change the resolution? |
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| 05:17.23 | SkyTIME | what GUI debian have for default install ? GNOME? |
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| 05:22.43 | ExtremeDpup | How do i extract the contents of a folder full of .deb archives? I want to extract the contents to an empty folder. |
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| 05:23.58 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: for a in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -x $a folder; done; or similar |
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| 05:24.52 | ExtremeDpup | ok..$a represents a wildcard or recursive? |
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| 05:25.19 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: $a is the variable $a in the shell... what are you actually trying to do with this directory of deb packages? |
| 05:25.41 | ExtremeDpup | I'll clarify: I have 32 (or so) .deb archives. I want to extract the contents of them to an empty folder. |
| 05:26.00 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: to do what with them? |
| 05:26.04 | ExtremeDpup | So i can make a single installer archive |
| 05:26.21 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: you don't need to extract them to do that |
| 05:26.34 | ExtremeDpup | how can i merge them all into one .deb? |
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| 05:26.45 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: you can't merge them all together |
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| 05:27.30 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: what's the reason why you're trying to make a single package that installs all of the other packages? |
| 05:27.50 | ExtremeDpup | I'm trying to make an installer package for apt that contains all the dependancies. |
| 05:28.02 | ExtremeDpup | one click install the lot. |
| 05:28.11 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: and are all of the other packages in Debian? |
| 05:28.20 | ExtremeDpup | yes. I think so. |
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| 05:28.54 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: so just create a single new package which Depends: on all of the other packages. |
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| 05:29.02 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: see equivs for a package which makes doing that easy |
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| 05:30.00 | ExtremeDpup | eqives ok.. What if i made a .deb archive that includes the other .debs? |
| 05:30.23 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: you can't |
| 05:30.23 | ExtremeDpup | would they all install in one click? |
| 05:30.39 | dondelelcaro | ExtremeDpup: no, because that's not how Debian packages work |
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| 05:31.10 | ExtremeDpup | ok. i'll check out eqivs. thanks. |
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| 05:33.11 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 06:21.34 | Lazy^ | Hello, how i can configure that password is lets say at least 10marks, at least 1 big letter and 1 special mark ? |
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| 06:23.23 | mackstann_ | anyone know of a way to list installed packages sorted by the amount of disk space they consume? |
| 06:23.59 | ondrejk | mackstann_: it think you'll need to write some script |
| 06:24.22 | mackstann_ | ondrejk: do you know how to get the disk space usage of a single package? |
| 06:24.27 | mackstann_ | i could take it from there |
| 06:25.02 | ondrejk | mackstann_: you want to know size of package or size of files owned by package? |
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| 06:25.25 | mackstann_ | ondrejk: installed files owned by it |
| 06:25.37 | ondrejk | wait a sec |
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| 06:27.43 | ondrejk | mackstann_: |
| 06:27.46 | ondrejk | mackstann_: aptitude search '~i' -F '%p' |
| 06:27.53 | ondrejk | this will list names of all installed packages |
| 06:28.08 | ondrejk | dpkg -L packagename will give you list of files owned by package |
| 06:28.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename will give you list of files owned by package |
| 06:28.47 | ondrejk | mackstann_: but i think it doesnt count files like .vimrc in your home directory |
| 06:28.56 | mackstann_ | ondrejk: ignoring home dir is fine |
| 06:28.59 | mackstann_ | i'd expect that |
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| 06:31.06 | christiannn | hi i need install enuwig2 on my debian smdy know how ? |
| 06:31.09 | ondrejk | mackstann_: but i dont know what exactly it count ... probably better check dpkg -L option |
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| 06:32.02 | mackstann_ | ondrejk: i think this is perfect |
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| 06:33.49 | mackstann_ | ok -- to check a single package, this seems to work -- sum=0; dpkg -L zsh | while read i; do if [ -f "$i" ]; then sum=$(($sum + `stat --format='%s' "$i"`)); fi; done; echo $sum |
| 06:34.35 | mackstann_ | will probably take a while to run on all packages, but no big deal |
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| 06:45.10 | nsadmin | christiannn, if the package is in debian for the version you have, you could use aptitude or apt-get |
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| 06:46.10 | christiannn | but |
| 06:46.16 | christiannn | for install enuwig2 is a wirlees usb |
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| 06:46.43 | christiannn | nsadmin |
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| 06:48.09 | nsadmin | what is enuwig2? |
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| 06:48.35 | christiannn | lol |
| 06:48.37 | christiannn | USB WIRELESS |
| 06:48.53 | christiannn | sorry for mayus |
| 06:48.57 | christiannn | my keyboard xD |
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| 06:49.22 | nsadmin | so, a enuwig2 is hardware? |
| 06:49.48 | christiannn | yea |
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| 06:50.19 | nsadmin | when you plug it in, what happens when you "ifconfig wlan0" |
| 06:50.23 | nsadmin | do you get: |
| 06:50.29 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.32 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.45 | christiannn | wait |
| 06:51.56 | christiannn | i can paste here? |
| 06:51.58 | christiannn | 2 lines |
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| 06:52.05 | christiannn | mxt:/etc/init.d# ifconfig wlan0 |
| 06:52.05 | christiannn | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:e7:25:3b:0a |
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| 06:52.14 | nsadmin | so there is no error |
| 06:52.19 | christiannn | aja |
| 06:52.21 | christiannn | yea |
| 06:52.40 | nsadmin | looks like the driver is working. |
| 06:52.52 | christiannn | so? |
| 06:53.19 | nsadmin | we have reached your goal. do you have another quesiton? |
| 06:53.34 | christiannn | hm |
| 06:53.34 | christiannn | but |
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| 06:53.41 | christiannn | debian isnt detect the usb wirlees |
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| 06:53.49 | nsadmin | no, it has. |
| 06:53.51 | mattgirv | So it is probably a problem with you not specifying network settings properly (ssid/etc) |
| 06:53.52 | christiannn | it isn't working |
| 06:54.00 | christiannn | ok |
| 06:54.03 | christiannn | how i can do that |
| 06:54.35 | nsadmin | the fact that wlan0 exists shows that it DOES detect the wireless (dunno which one tho, if you have more than one) |
| 06:55.07 | mattgirv | christiannn: Not sure which packages you're using, ndiswrapper? |
| 06:55.43 | mattgirv | christiannn: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 06:55.58 | christiannn | i try it to install |
| 06:56.21 | nsadmin | just because it' |
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| 06:56.24 | christiannn | E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete ndiswrapper |
| 06:56.28 | christiannn | can't found |
| 06:56.42 | nsadmin | just because it's DETECTED does not mean it's CONFIGURED |
| 06:56.55 | nsadmin | did you have another question? |
| 06:57.02 | karsten | nsadmin: There goes an entire wealth scheme I had.... |
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| 06:57.55 | mattgirv | christiannn: Did you look at the link I sent you? |
| 06:58.05 | nsadmin | karsten: just say this to yourself 5 times in a millisecond: "as I support wealth/prosperity in others, they will support it in me" |
| 06:58.24 | christiannn | iam reading but iam from mx |
| 06:58.25 | christiannn | so |
| 06:58.32 | christiannn | iam translating that. |
| 06:58.38 | nsadmin | do you prefer es? |
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| 06:59.29 | christiannn | yea |
| 06:59.48 | nsadmin | ok, here's an option: |
| 06:59.52 | nsadmin | !es |
| 06:59.52 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 06:59.55 | karsten | nsadmin: :) |
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| 07:00.44 | mattgirv | Jeez, every morning I wake up with a blocked nose. |
| 07:00.58 | christiannn | i like ur sarcasm |
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| 07:01.20 | mattgirv | I'm being serious :( |
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| 07:01.40 | nsadmin | not sarcasm... you say you do prefer es... so I offer you a choice |
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| 07:02.49 | mattgirv | christiannn: http://www.esdebian.org/wiki/configuracion-manual-wpasupplicant |
| 07:03.17 | nsadmin | mattgirv: I tried accupuncture the other day for the first time... they asked detailed intake questions about blockage |
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| 07:04.02 | mattgirv | nsadmin: How'd that work out :p |
| 07:04.21 | christiannn | thank u very mch |
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| 07:05.14 | christiannn | nsadmin thnk u |
| 07:05.20 | mattgirv | christiannn: No problem, was the nearest thing I could find.. replace wpa with wep or whatever your wireless security is /etc |
| 07:05.53 | nsadmin | well we didn't work on that aspect... I purposely limited what I said mainly because I don't know much... we did work on my back, and something did change and loosen up pretty dramatically |
| 07:06.33 | christiannn | nsadmin thanks |
| 07:06.40 | mattgirv | Ah heh, backs. Controversial subject :p |
| 07:06.40 | nsadmin | np :) |
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| 07:07.21 | nsadmin | yeah, since I did notice change, I'll be going back to see what can happen... |
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| 07:10.34 | christiannn | hey i can't install wireless assitant |
| 07:10.35 | christiannn | ? |
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| 07:11.38 | mattgirv | christiannn: More info |
| 07:14.05 | christiannn | i saw wirless assistant is a graphical program |
| 07:14.13 | christiannn | for wireless Xd i saw in "wifiway" |
| 07:14.14 | mattgirv | christiannn: If you are using GNOME use network-manager |
| 07:14.22 | christiannn | xfce |
| 07:14.33 | mattgirv | wicd |
| 07:14.34 | mattgirv | :) |
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| 07:16.33 | UngaWizir | Ola bruderz |
| 07:16.49 | christiannn | where i can found wicd? |
| 07:17.00 | mattgirv | christiannn: apt-get install wicd-gtk |
| 07:17.30 | mattgirv | christiannn: Hang on, are you using Debian Lenny/Stable? |
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| 07:17.55 | christiannn | oh sorry is alredy installed |
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| 07:18.36 | UngaWizir | Can anyone help me? I have static IP and DNS. My system forget the DNS after reboot. The ping goes of course, but the DNS ( 8.8.8.8 ) lost:( |
| 07:18.42 | christiannn | cant found wifi conections lol |
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| 07:19.12 | mattgirv | christiannn: Not entirely sure how wicd works, but make sure it is using the correct wireless card (if you have more than one) |
| 07:20.25 | Neg128 | looking for the correct kernel for an smp machine with more then 4gb of memory running duel intel xeon 3.06 wiht HT. Is it sugested to enable or disable HT performance wise? |
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| 07:21.01 | cahoot | ungage: try this: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
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| 07:21.14 | cahoot | err UngaWizir |
| 07:21.25 | UngaWizir | cahoot bruder: thx |
| 07:21.50 | christiannn | another thing mattgirv iam ruinnig debian on vmware |
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| 07:22.48 | mattgirv | Well no wonder you can't bloomin' connect through your wireless then :) |
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| 07:23.15 | UngaWizir | Can anyone suggest me thunderbird email client alternative? |
| 07:23.18 | mattgirv | christiannn: Make sure your wireless is working on your HOST OS, the one VMWare is running on.. then figure out if you have a network bridge set up within VMWare and configure Debian from that |
| 07:23.47 | mattgirv | UngaWizir: Evolution? |
| 07:24.07 | UngaWizir | ( on one of other machine thunderbird with ubuntu 10.04: hanging up..and frozen ) |
| 07:24.14 | UngaWizir | mattgirv thx |
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| 07:24.24 | mattgirv | UngaWizir: Or if that is a bit heavy, try Claws Mail |
| 07:24.49 | UngaWizir | thx. |
| 07:25.33 | UngaWizir | Debian The Best |
| 07:25.50 | mattgirv | :) |
| 07:26.14 | UngaWizir | Ubuntu just the 2nd |
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| 07:26.36 | UngaWizir | windows millennium the 99th |
| 07:27.01 | MeglaW | retardbuntu vista ME Special edition |
| 07:27.03 | mattgirv | UngaWizir: Windows ME that high up? |
| 07:27.41 | UngaWizir | Yes, I have working with ten WinME machines in local network |
| 07:28.59 | mattgirv | Ouch |
| 07:29.09 | mattgirv | That sounds quite possibly like the worst job in the world. |
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| 07:29.59 | UngaWizir | but the servers are debian and ubuntu:) |
| 07:30.03 | UngaWizir | ( of course... ) |
| 07:30.07 | cahoot | mattgirv: well you could be the one responsible for sorting out Greece's economy |
| 07:30.23 | mattgirv | cahoot: Yeah, that doesn't sound too fun either :/ |
| 07:30.38 | UngaWizir | Thanks for you helping. I need to go. Byez bruderz |
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| 07:30.42 | mattgirv | Bye |
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| 07:38.05 | debuser198 | Hi kann mir einer Helfen bei der Konfiguration meines Touchscreens ? |
| 07:38.45 | liable | !de |
| 07:38.45 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 07:41.18 | atomx | hi |
| 07:41.31 | debuser198 | i wish calibrate my touchscreen and i have many problems |
| 07:41.32 | atomx | I wish to boot debian installer from network |
| 07:41.39 | atomx | is it difficult ? |
| 07:41.50 | atomx | has somebody tried it before? |
| 07:41.56 | fredl | hey folks. I'm running 2.6.32-22-generic and would like to turn on ath9k debugging. |
| 07:42.13 | liable | atomx: sure, check out the installation manual |
| 07:42.28 | debuser198 | yes |
| 07:42.45 | fredl | according to config-2.6.32-22-generic, there is CONFIG_ATH9K_DEBUG=y |
| 07:42.50 | debuser198 | x and y is interchanges |
| 07:42.53 | atomx | hmmm. |
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| 07:43.34 | atomx | I found generic instructions in the manual |
| 07:43.43 | liable | i thought i had a link for pxe, but cant find it |
| 07:43.43 | atomx | how do I configure a boot server ? |
| 07:43.55 | atomx | i installed a pxe server |
| 07:44.26 | fredl | but when I make a file /etc/modprobe.d/atheros.conf with 'options ath9k debug=0xa00' like described in http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/debug loading the module results in an error: ath9k: Unknown parameter `debug' |
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| 07:44.50 | the-dude | atomx: which guide did you follow? |
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| 07:46.06 | cahoot | fredl: modinfo ath9k does show debug as option? |
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| 07:46.49 | fredl | cahoot, hmm, didn't know about that command. It shows parm: debug:uint |
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| 07:47.12 | atomx | section 2.4. installation media |
| 07:47.32 | atomx | it's on the second computer, I am writing from my laptop, and cannot paste the link |
| 07:47.47 | atomx | please check that chapter of manual |
| 07:47.59 | atomx | to see that rthere are only generic instructions |
| 07:48.31 | fredl | cahoot: oops, wrong machine I did that command on... |
| 07:49.10 | the-dude | atomx: did you add a kernel to boot? |
| 07:49.21 | atomx | aaaaaaaahhh! |
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| 07:49.31 | fredl | cahoot: sorry, I'm running 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 instead and modinfo ath9k does not show the debug option |
| 07:49.45 | atomx | there is also a chapter 4.5 Preparing files for tftp net booting |
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| 07:50.06 | atomx | oh! it's complex |
| 07:50.39 | fredl | I think I may need to roll my own kernel again then, hmmm |
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| 07:52.02 | fredl | is there a way to recompile just one module? |
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| 07:53.57 | Vasistha | fredl: I'm pretty sure there is, let me see if I can find the factoid |
| 07:54.54 | Vasistha | fredl: you'll want to use module-assistant ... /msg dpkg m-a |
| 07:55.02 | Vasistha | fredl: I think there's another good factoid too, though |
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| 07:56.00 | atomx | there is also pump to net boot |
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| 08:04.22 | fredl | Vasistha, thanks. |
| 08:04.30 | Vasistha | np, good luck |
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| 08:05.47 | fredl | hmm ath9k is not in the list of modules I can select in m-a though |
| 08:06.49 | fredl | 'This might be caused by the module package not creating or containing a control script in /usr/share/modass/packages' |
| 08:06.56 | fredl | modass... |
| 08:07.02 | fredl | that's just wrong :p |
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| 08:10.49 | Vasistha | fredl: maybe you need to download the source with aptitude? |
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| 08:13.22 | Neg128 | what repo has the smp kernels? tring to install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 08:13.49 | jm | they all have smp support now, I believe |
| 08:13.52 | fredl | Vasishta - not sure. I've been doing some kernel messing before and for some reason I have linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 running... |
| 08:14.11 | jm | they don't distribute smp and non-smp kernels anymore |
| 08:14.14 | jm | they all come with smp support |
| 08:14.24 | fredl | I'm not sure what's the source package for that, I guess I can just do apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 right? |
| 08:14.35 | Neg128 | also have highmem support by default? |
| 08:15.05 | jm | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 08:15.08 | Vasistha | fredl: what version of debian are you using? That looks like it might be a backported kernel, although I'm not so familiar with all of those |
| 08:15.15 | jm | so yes, they do |
| 08:15.27 | fredl | Vasistha, I'm running Sid |
| 08:16.23 | Neg128 | MemTotal: 3894792 kB on a system with 6gb memory and dual xeon procs 32bit only. |
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| 08:17.35 | fredl | hmm isn't there some dpkg command to check from which repo a package has been installed? |
| 08:17.57 | fredl | I thought it was just dpkg -I linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 but that says failed to read archive |
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| 08:19.00 | fredl | meh... |
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| 08:20.06 | Abhishek_Singh | folks: please tell me the exact name of the mailing list that i should join to get help regarding creating .deb packages for a software for ubuntu |
| 08:20.18 | fredl | #ubuntu |
| 08:20.49 | mattgirv | heh |
| 08:21.00 | Abhishek_Singh | i want to create debian package |
| 08:21.05 | mattgirv | For Ubuntu? |
| 08:21.32 | fredl | do you want to create a debian or an ubuntu package? |
| 08:21.39 | Abhishek_Singh | .deb package |
| 08:21.47 | Abhishek_Singh | for debian |
| 08:21.48 | mattgirv | Abhishek_Singh: For what distro? |
| 08:21.52 | mattgirv | ah ok |
| 08:22.00 | fredl | then don't mention ubuntu |
| 08:22.10 | Abhishek_Singh | ok |
| 08:22.21 | Abhishek_Singh | i have joined debain-cli |
| 08:22.27 | mattgirv | Abhishek_Singh: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 08:23.22 | Abhishek_Singh | the source code doesn't have a makefile |
| 08:23.47 | Abhishek_Singh | basically coded in php, javascript and XML |
| 08:24.14 | Abhishek_Singh | can you please suggest names of some packages that are similar and they have a .deb package too |
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| 08:50.01 | granquet | hi there, me again :D |
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| 08:50.35 | granquet | I've a problem with udev rules expecting groups to be present on the system ... and they are not: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/213029/ |
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| 08:51.33 | granquet | this is a major problem for me with libnss-ldap as the groups doesn't exist on system, udev fallbacks on ldap ... which isn't reachable at this stage of the boot. thus extending the boot time by a great amount of time |
| 08:51.46 | granquet | and boot time is quite critical in my application |
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| 08:55.23 | azeem | granquet: creating those groups is not an option? |
| 08:55.57 | granquet | azeem: this is quite hazardous I think, what happens when we install a package that expect to create the group? oO |
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| 08:56.22 | Diabolic | I'm installing Lenny now. I want the partitions like on the old system and I have data in /home, which is on it own partition, that I want to keep. I have done no changes in the partitioner. I assume pressing "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk" will not erase any data in the /home partition? |
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| 08:57.27 | azeem | granquet: well, I think packages should deal with this on installation |
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| 08:57.55 | dv- | Diabolic: is it marked to be formatted? |
| 08:57.59 | azeem | granquet: however, I would at least expect the group scanner to exist on installation; are all those files mentioning those groups part of udev? |
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| 08:58.41 | granquet | azeem: the rules are part of the udev core package, they haven't been modified by hand |
| 08:59.03 | azeem | ok |
| 08:59.27 | Diabolic | dv-: I don't think so. But I don't remember how I can see if it's marked. |
| 08:59.57 | azeem | granquet: maybe file a bug |
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| 09:00.32 | granquet | azeem: I'm looking at other installs to see if the problem is there too :) |
| 09:00.43 | azeem | granquet: however, the udev maintainer is known to disregard bugs easily, so try to be precise and give all needed information |
| 09:02.10 | granquet | azeem: I don't seem to have the problem on another install tho :-/ |
| 09:02.39 | azeem | as in, the groups exist already? |
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| 09:03.07 | granquet | azeem: as in, those 'problematic' groups aren't mentionned anywhere in the rules |
| 09:03.12 | azeem | hrm |
| 09:03.22 | azeem | compare udev versoins |
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| 09:03.25 | azeem | versions* |
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| 09:03.46 | granquet | azeem: same versions |
| 09:03.48 | azeem | granquet: could be you modified them on one machine and then decided to not use newer versions of those files from the package |
| 09:03.58 | azeem | so check which are genuine |
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| 09:04.21 | granquet | I just forced a reinstall of udev on the problematic machine, same files. |
| 09:04.46 | azeem | Debian handles configuration files with care |
| 09:04.58 | azeem | it honors your modifications |
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| 09:05.38 | granquet | I don't believe it :D (I lost config files many times without even a warning ... but that's another story...) |
| 09:06.02 | azeem | well, it's policy, not every package implements it properly |
| 09:06.23 | azeem | granquet: this is lenny, right? |
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| 09:06.30 | granquet | azeem: yes. |
| 09:06.32 | Diabolic | dv-: http://kjelsnes.com/bilde.jpg |
| 09:07.03 | azeem | granquet: i386 or amd64? |
| 09:07.15 | granquet | azeem: okay ... I deleted the rules, I reinstalled udev ... and no rules appeared. :-/ |
| 09:07.23 | granquet | azeem: x86_64 |
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| 09:08.20 | azeem | granquet: Debian also honors that you delete configuration files |
| 09:08.27 | azeem | it's *your* decision |
| 09:08.30 | tarzeau | is there a tool to easily create graphics like this? http://www.generative-gestaltung.de/P_3_1_2_02 |
| 09:09.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell granquet about confmiss |
| 09:09.05 | granquet | azeem: *great* ... so there's no way to reinstall a package properly? I have to reinstall from scratch? :-/ |
| 09:09.12 | azeem | see what jelly said |
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| 09:09.21 | jelly | no, see what dpkg said in private |
| 09:09.31 | granquet | jelly: thx |
| 09:09.32 | azeem | granquet: of course there's a way, it's just not done by default |
| 09:09.49 | azeem | granquet: anyway, I believe those groups are indeed mentioned in the genuine lenny udev rules |
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| 09:10.54 | azeem | granquet: did you check that those groups do not exist on the other machine |
| 09:10.56 | granquet | azeem: yep, reinstalled with confmiss and the groups are there. for me, it's a bug :-/ |
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| 09:14.00 | granquet | azeem: those groups doesn't exist on the other machine and are not mentionned within the udev rules. |
| 09:14.35 | azeem | then 11:03 < azeem> granquet: could be you modified them on one machine and then decided to not use newer versions of those files from the package |
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| 09:15.26 | granquet | azeem: I'm checking the chef recipes (this is generated with chef from a deboostrap) and I don't see anything modifying those rules |
| 09:16.00 | gisostallenberg | hi there, I have a harddisk that is about to crash (at least SMART tells me so: Raw_Read_Error_Rate). Now this harddisk is in a RAID array. How can I check the RAID is working? And if so can I remove the almost failing harddisk when I turn of the machine and swap the disk with a new one? |
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| 09:18.24 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 09:18.53 | Hadaka | nvidia-glx package has: Suggests: nvidia-settings, nvidia-kernel-source (>= 195.36.24) | nvidia-kernel-dkms (>= 195.36.24) - why can't I install nvidia-glx without installing nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
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| 09:23.13 | jelly | Hadaka: which debian release do you have enabled in sources.list? |
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| 09:23.39 | jelly | Hadaka: also, which architecture? |
| 09:23.45 | Hadaka | jelly: unstable and experimental, amd64 |
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| 09:25.04 | jelly | Hadaka: it's not because of Suggests |
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| 09:25.29 | jelly | judd: depends nvidia-glx --release sid --arch amd64 |
| 09:25.31 | judd | nvidia-glx -- depends: nvidia-kernel-190.53, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxext6 (>= 0). |
| 09:25.45 | jelly | judd: depends nvidia-kernel-190.53 --release sid --arch amd64 |
| 09:25.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nvidia-kernel-190.53' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 09:26.01 | Hadaka | jelly: I'm using 195.36.24-1 |
| 09:26.25 | jelly | Hadaka: it's likely that -dkms package is the only one providing virtual nvidia-kernel-190.53 at this time |
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| 09:27.05 | jelly | judd: provides nvidia-kernel-190.53 --release experimental --arch amd64 |
| 09:27.07 | judd | Cannot find the package nvidia-kernel-190.53 in experimental/amd64. |
| 09:27.09 | Hadaka | jelly: ah, you are quite right! but probably the nvidia kernel modules I will recompile will provide those |
| 09:27.12 | jelly | judd: provides nvidia-kernel-190.53 --release sid --arch amd64 |
| 09:27.14 | judd | Cannot find the package nvidia-kernel-190.53 in sid/amd64. |
| 09:27.16 | jelly | meh. |
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| 09:27.21 | Hadaka | Provides: nvidia-kernel-195.36.24 |
| 09:27.25 | Hadaka | (from nvidia-kernel-dkms) |
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| 09:27.35 | jelly | oh right, different version in exp. |
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| 09:28.10 | Hadaka | jelly: thank you very much, that explains it all |
| 09:28.51 | jelly | Hadaka: dkms _is_ a method to compile and install modules from source, afaik |
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| 09:29.39 | Hadaka | jelly: dkms is an alternative method to compile and install modules from source - the kernel module source packages are another - I don't use dkms because it doesn't allow me to customize the compilation |
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| 09:31.50 | Hadaka | jelly: Package: nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-tink-1, Provides: nvidia-kernel-195.36.24 - my compiled package from nvidia-kernel-source has all the dependencies set correctly, and now I can install nvidia-glx without nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 09:40.48 | havocologe | is there a way to see if a given user_id is able to use sudo wihtout trying and getting an error ? |
| 09:42.11 | BlackFate | havocologe: cat /etc/sudoers |
| 09:42.34 | the-dude | a normal user can't read the sudoers file |
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| 09:48.44 | gisostallenberg | how can I check my raid array |
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| 09:54.25 | the-dude | gisostallenberg: hardware or software? |
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| 10:00.39 | omry|work | what is the meaning of this in strace? read(10, 0x850985d, 8192) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 10:00.40 | omry|work | why would read() return EAGAIN? |
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| 10:02.29 | havocologe | BlackFate: good, but only root can do that iirc.. |
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| 10:02.44 | nsadmin | what's EAGAIN mean? forgot |
| 10:02.58 | azeem | nsadmin: 12:00 < omry|work> what is the meaning of this in strace? read(10, 0x850985d, 8192) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 10:03.04 | Sheen | hi all |
| 10:03.25 | azeem | omry|work: what file system is this on? |
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| 10:03.29 | nsadmin | so it's resource temporarily unavailable? |
| 10:03.32 | azeem | is this even reading a file? |
| 10:03.39 | azeem | nsadmin: is this a trick question? |
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| 10:03.51 | azeem | or do you think strace lies about what errno numbers mean? |
| 10:03.58 | Sheen | I have no experience with dependency issue, but a .deb is asking for glibc6 2.7.1 and I got 2.7.18lenny2. Is there a way to install this .deb without broke my system please ? |
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| 10:04.12 | azeem | Sheen: what deb? |
| 10:04.47 | nsadmin | sometimes you'l get a number that doesn't mean what it says, yes |
| 10:05.03 | Sheen | azeem : pulse2-launcher |
| 10:05.10 | omry|work | azeem, probably ext3 (and probably over raid0) |
| 10:05.22 | azeem | probably, hrm |
| 10:05.30 | nsadmin | so you'll have to find out what FD 10 is |
| 10:05.41 | omry|work | sec |
| 10:05.55 | nsadmin | maybe you can find an open that returns 10 |
| 10:07.09 | omry|work | I restarted the process. now I get it from fd 8 which is a tcp connection to mysql. |
| 10:07.22 | omry|work | err, not to mysql |
| 10:07.28 | omry|work | to another tcp server. |
| 10:07.55 | nsadmin | which in turn is something else... |
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| 10:08.21 | nsadmin | do you know which port it's opening? |
| 10:08.40 | omry|work | it's gearman job server. |
| 10:08.44 | omry|work | version 0.11 |
| 10:09.03 | omry|work | EAGAIN is fishy, could be a bug with the server. |
| 10:09.14 | nsadmin | hmm, dunno what that is... but what you do is find out why the server is returning that |
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| 10:09.33 | azeem | omry|work: EAGAIN on TCP connections makes much more sense |
| 10:09.48 | omry|work | azeem, when will that happen? |
| 10:09.56 | omry|work | it's on a 1gbps lan. |
| 10:10.17 | azeem | omry|work: it just means the server can't be arsed to handle your request right now, and you should try later |
| 10:10.20 | nsadmin | would that ba a NAK? |
| 10:10.21 | azeem | maybe it's busy |
| 10:10.35 | azeem | well, that'd be my guess, anyway |
| 10:11.15 | nsadmin | so did the connection die in the middle? or was this on open? |
| 10:11.50 | azeem | it was on read() |
| 10:12.08 | nsadmin | oh, ok... was it the first read() after the open()? |
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| 10:12.49 | nsadmin | I dunno, maybe the client tried to read past the end of the server' |
| 10:12.55 | nsadmin | s response |
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| 10:13.27 | azeem | I don't think it makes sense to debug network apps with strace |
| 10:13.45 | nsadmin | well now that we know it's network |
| 10:13.54 | azeem | also, I don't know whether mysql usually sends a sensbile error message via SQL or something instead of EAGAIN |
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| 10:18.47 | simplechat | hey |
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| 10:22.02 | chessboxing | hi, I always have this message when I do: sudo /sbin/pvcreate /dev/sdb1. "Can't open /dev/sdb1 exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" Any ideas Google didn't clear it up. |
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| 10:24.31 | mquin | chessboxing: at the risk of stating the obvious, have you checked if it's mounted? |
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| 10:25.12 | chessboxing | mquin: mount -v. Doesn't show it. We sometimes forget the obvious. |
| 10:25.44 | simplechat | I've got an odd question: I've got a server that is fine until about halfway through the boot process where the screen goes black and when it comes back everything is garbled |
| 10:25.53 | simplechat | is there anything that plays with the frame buffer? |
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| 10:29.01 | mquin | chessboxing: now that's weird - maybe try looking at fuser or lsof and see if anything has the device file open? |
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| 10:29.22 | kionate | Hola. Tengo un problema con Gnome 2.30 al querer borrar un directorio. La tecla suprimir no responde al primer hit. |
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| 10:29.42 | kionate | sorry, in english. |
| 10:29.46 | kionate | Hello. I have a problem with Gnome 2.30 to want to delete a directory. The delete key does not respond to the first hit. |
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| 10:30.27 | ham5 | use debian lenny then |
| 10:30.38 | ham5 | shouldent even have gnome 2.30 |
| 10:30.47 | kionate | Similar to open hard drives |
| 10:31.31 | kionate | In Debian testing.. |
| 10:31.57 | chessboxing | mquin: this is what ls -l gives me /dev/sdb brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 2010-05-01 19:20 /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:32.09 | kionate | Sorry, I have new hardware that does not support lenny. I do not want to use backports |
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| 10:34.24 | mquin | chessboxing: try 'fuser /dev/sdb1' then 'lsof | grep sdb1' |
| 10:34.37 | eshat | Maybe I am not at the point of saying this, but debian should really use launchpad, since it is just great. The Debian Bug Tracking system is soooooo 90s,outdated and a gift to spammers |
| 10:35.26 | chessboxing | mquin: the 2 commands didn't leave a response. |
| 10:35.54 | mquin | chessboxing: I'm out of ideas in that case, short of rebooting - sorry |
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| 10:36.27 | chessboxing | mquin: np, I appreciate you willingness |
| 10:37.52 | nsadmin | eshat: you could file a bug report to that effect |
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| 10:38.32 | nsadmin | but unless you come up with a sample implementation that covers everything debian needs, it's not going to be taken seriously |
| 10:39.50 | kionate | GNOME 2.30 IS A ******************* |
| 10:39.53 | eshat | nsadmin: well, reportbug and querybts are great, but at least the E-Mail Adresses should be protected better... |
| 10:40.41 | nsadmin | ... IS A BUNCH OF STARS? |
| 10:41.08 | ham5 | is awesome but what ever it takes to get everyones attention so he can fix is noob del key problem |
| 10:41.45 | nsadmin | so that it deletes noobs properly? |
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| 10:41.59 | Basv | What do u guys think about 2.30? |
| 10:42.05 | Basv | Is is worth implementing? |
| 10:42.26 | nsadmin | I'm not using gnome for awhile, so I don't know |
| 10:42.34 | ham5 | dont really 'see' a whole lot different from 2.28 |
| 10:42.42 | ham5 | ive had no problems with it |
| 10:42.50 | kara | hi i wanna know where to get pcmcia card for kernel 2.6.10 |
| 10:43.25 | nsadmin | a pcmcia card... that interfaces with your chicken coop? |
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| 10:43.46 | kara | hi i wanna know where to get pcmcia card driver precisely billionton gprsq for kernel 2.6.10 |
| 10:43.53 | chessboxing | where are the lib/modules in debian? |
| 10:44.05 | nsadmin | why 2.6.10? |
| 10:44.12 | nsadmin | chessboxing, should be in / |
| 10:44.26 | kara | that 's my os kernel |
| 10:44.28 | ham5 | ughh yea /lib/modules |
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| 10:45.23 | chessboxing | ls /lib/modules gives me nothing |
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| 10:45.55 | nsadmin | kara, debian has probably dropped support for anything below 2.6.18 |
| 10:45.56 | ham5 | locate modules |
| 10:47.06 | TAD_ | I got a partial Debian repo done with debmirror; how do I add a 3rd party deb onto it? |
| 10:47.24 | kara | so how can update my kernel send me a command line please |
| 10:47.30 | nsadmin | kara, debian is up to 2.6.26 and above... not sure what your OS is, but you probably can find source on google |
| 10:48.11 | nsadmin | kara: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
| 10:48.56 | nsadmin | kara: but you don't need to build a kernel, you can just install prebuilt ones |
| 10:48.57 | kara | merci nasdmin |
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| 11:05.15 | liable | !qotd0 |
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| 11:05.45 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:05.46 | dpkg | [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 11:06.57 | jelly | !flw0 |
| 11:06.57 | dpkg | <Phated> compubomb: If you're told something three times, it's true. |
| 11:07.21 | liable | \whats flw? |
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| 11:08.09 | jelly | dpkg, literal flw |
| 11:08.09 | dpkg | "flw" is "<reply> see famous last words" |
| 11:08.11 | p0g0 | and for two points- what's the reference "what I tell you three times is true"? |
| 11:08.53 | liable | hmm, phated, thats a nick i havent seen for a while |
| 11:09.14 | p0g0 | "Hunting of the Snark", Lewis Carrol |
| 11:09.20 | abrotman | liable: she's still on freenode |
| 11:09.49 | jelly | !cookie p0g0 |
| 11:09.50 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds ... |
| 11:09.52 | liable | and her friend fieldysnuts the gentto troll ;) |
| 11:10.01 | liable | gentoo* |
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| 11:10.13 | jelly | hm, that still doesn't do what I thought it would |
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| 11:10.55 | jelly | liable: troll? I understood she was a regular. |
| 11:11.07 | liable | not for a long time jelly |
| 11:11.19 | abrotman | liable: I think Fieldy is now an op in ##linux .. and Fieldy wasn't a troll |
| 11:11.21 | jelly | s/was/had been/; |
| 11:12.02 | liable | abrotman: i didnt think so either, untill the end she seemed to be |
| 11:12.12 | abrotman | liable: if you recall, she was forced out when they tried to clean up the channel |
| 11:12.34 | abrotman | and i believe her original cloak is still banned |
| 11:12.48 | abrotman | or not... |
| 11:12.56 | liable | that was so stupid doint that cleanout |
| 11:13.27 | liable | broke the fun larting and lost a lot of cluey people |
| 11:13.30 | abrotman | why? It wasn't that she gave bad advice, it was her delivery |
| 11:13.41 | abrotman | liable: oh .. got it |
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| 11:15.10 | liable | abrotman: avtually, i believe, iirc, she started it by posting a msg to the dev list |
| 11:15.41 | abrotman | no, that wsa a DD about her |
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| 11:16.07 | liable | ah, right |
| 11:16.54 | azeem | I don't think it was a DD |
| 11:17.00 | azeem | but my memory is dim |
| 11:17.51 | jelly | I have a laptop, my memory is so-dim |
| 11:18.01 | liable | hehe |
| 11:19.00 | liable | azeem: i think you're right, it was a whine about #debian being nasty so you and manoj stepped in and made us behave |
| 11:20.16 | azeem | liable: manoj left again |
| 11:20.20 | azeem | but I'm still here \o/ |
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| 11:21.38 | atomx | I ask again |
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| 11:21.56 | atomx | can somebody help me step by step to boot over the net using bootp ? |
| 11:22.01 | The_Eccentric | whats the differecen in ufw and nufw? |
| 11:22.13 | The_Eccentric | whats the differecen in ufw and nufw? |
| 11:22.20 | azeem | you just asked that |
| 11:22.22 | jelly | "n" |
| 11:22.36 | The_Eccentric | lol |
| 11:22.43 | The_Eccentric | srry my list scrools |
| 11:24.15 | The_Eccentric | i ment |
| 11:24.22 | The_Eccentric | is it like cli interface still |
| 11:24.32 | The_Eccentric | i need to block some ports on my vps |
| 11:24.36 | The_Eccentric | it has debian on it |
| 11:24.43 | The_Eccentric | and was gona use ufw |
| 11:24.47 | The_Eccentric | but thats all it has |
| 11:25.40 | jelly | judd: versions nufw |
| 11:25.41 | judd | nufw -- etch: 1.0.23-1.3; lenny: 2.2.15-3; squeeze: 2.2.21-4+b1; sid: 2.4.0-1 |
| 11:25.44 | jelly | judd: versions ufw |
| 11:25.45 | judd | ufw -- sid: 0.29.3-1; squeeze: 0.29.3-1 |
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| 11:26.09 | nsadmin | one's ufw and ones Not ufw? |
| 11:26.38 | cahoot | n for nimble? |
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| 11:26.50 | jelly | one's a completely different firewall tool with a similar name, it seems |
| 11:27.06 | jelly | ufw depends on python; nufw depends on libc6 |
| 11:27.13 | jelly | nuff said |
| 11:27.42 | nsadmin | nufw seems to have been around longer |
| 11:28.07 | jelly | The_Eccentric: there are other tools if you're not comfortable using iptables directly |
| 11:28.15 | nsadmin | looks like ufw hasn't been updated in awhile |
| 11:28.53 | jelly | lokkit or firehol or probably tens more |
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| 11:29.31 | The_Eccentric | hrmm |
| 11:29.54 | The_Eccentric | trying to see why i dont see ufw when i aptitidue search ufw :? |
| 11:29.59 | jelly | 0.29.3 is released! on 2010-01-29 # that's not too long ago |
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| 11:30.20 | jelly | The_Eccentric: you're using debian 5 (lenny) (stable) |
| 11:32.11 | The_Eccentric | lemme check |
| 11:32.18 | abrotman | azeem: i thought she'd made some nasty comment to vorlon |
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| 11:32.30 | azeem | I don't remember |
| 11:32.33 | The_Eccentric | jelly: yeah lenny |
| 11:32.35 | jelly | The_Eccentric: since it's a python script, you might be able to backport the package using the ssb recipe |
| 11:32.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell The_Eccentric about ssb |
| 11:32.44 | azeem | vorlon was one of the people who jumped aboard back then IIRC, yes |
| 11:32.50 | azeem | but left soon afterwards as well |
| 11:33.03 | azeem | I thought you'd have to stick and actual work with flow to make a difference |
| 11:33.07 | azeem | actually* |
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| 11:33.16 | The_Eccentric | thanx |
| 11:33.21 | jelly | azeem: funny how that turns out |
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| 11:38.18 | liable | after a couple o years, i dunno if it was positive for the channel |
| 11:38.32 | liable | yes, its more friendly so to speak |
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| 11:38.46 | petern_ | hmm, rsyncd's "max connections" seems to be global, not per module, despite it being a module config parameter |
| 11:39.26 | azeem | liable: it was positive for Debian |
| 11:39.30 | liable | but its pretty dumbed down to what i remember (though that could be due to me not be as stupid as i was) |
| 11:39.42 | abrotman | azeem: as a PR move .. maybe not a knowledge move |
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| 11:39.45 | azeem | y'all should've long ago become contributors and chat/rant in #d-d |
| 11:39.49 | milligan_ | I have a very stripped box with busybox, that runs a http daemon. The http daemon gives access to registering a system variable, and I am a bit stuck on figuring out what command/file it runs. Is there any obvious way I could get it done? (strace is not there.. there are no http logs...) |
| 11:41.03 | liable | azeem: noone would have listened. |
| 11:41.24 | liable | we expressed our displeasure for a good year or so |
| 11:41.42 | azeem | what displeasure? |
| 11:42.00 | liable | making us PG |
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| 11:42.05 | liable | !fable |
| 11:42.06 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 11:42.12 | azeem | that you can't use an official project channel as your personal vent canal? |
| 11:42.20 | liable | ^^ summed it up as best it could |
| 11:42.26 | liable | nono |
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| 11:43.06 | liable | just there was a dynamic here before with a lot of smart and clued up people thats been lost since |
| 11:43.10 | abrotman | which official channel? |
| 11:43.15 | azeem | this one |
| 11:43.16 | TAD_ | I got a partial Debian repo built with debmirror; how do I add a 3rd party deb onto it so that it gets an entry in Packages.gz? |
| 11:43.18 | abrotman | liable: i know you miss mwilson :) |
| 11:43.27 | liable | that was another bone of contention |
| 11:43.32 | azeem | you might have noticed that complaints about #debian have decreased recently |
| 11:43.34 | liable | abrotman: i do :) |
| 11:43.40 | abrotman | azeem: i thought it wasn't official? irc.d.o points to OFTC and there is no "official" channel or something |
| 11:43.41 | azeem | liable: I think #debian had a chance for 1-2 years to behave itself |
| 11:43.43 | jelly | milligan_: get a statically linked strace on it, eh |
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| 11:43.56 | azeem | abrotman: this was even before the move IIRC |
| 11:44.00 | the-dude | TAD_: see reprepro |
| 11:44.07 | abrotman | ah, when irc.d.o did point here |
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| 11:44.37 | azeem | though personally (and I think quite some ops/regulars agree), I still consider this chan official |
| 11:44.53 | TAD_ | the-dude: once used that years ago; lemme take a look, thanks |
| 11:45.02 | milligan_ | jelly, as far as I've broken it down, it looks like there is some dll that's compiled in to apache, giving access to certain methods that write directly to whatever. How could I make calls to the dll (.so file) when I know which file it is ? |
| 11:45.12 | abrotman | i don't know why there has to be an 'official' one .. though this one is larger and probably has more clueful people in it |
| 11:45.35 | azeem | abrotman: official in the sense that outsiders consider it affiliated with the project |
| 11:45.41 | liable | and seeing its not on oftc, its not official according to debian.org |
| 11:45.53 | nsadmin | milligan_: you include the appropriate header and link to the appropriate lib |
| 11:45.53 | liable | that was a contensious point for a while |
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| 11:46.13 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day... |
| 11:46.15 | azeem | it's de-facto official as basically the same policies apply here and in #d/irc.d.o |
| 11:46.18 | azeem | anyway |
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| 11:46.32 | abrotman | azeem: i know what you meant .. still not sure either should be more official than the other |
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| 11:46.42 | azeem | (I don't think either should) |
| 11:46.44 | liable | anyway |
| 11:46.58 | milligan_ | nsadmin, there are no tools to compile though |
| 11:46.59 | liable | old dogs sleeping |
| 11:47.07 | abrotman | takes a nap |
| 11:47.19 | nsadmin | milligan: you could always install them |
| 11:47.35 | jelly | milligan_: if it's apache, it would be very nice if you made it write logs somewhere |
| 11:47.37 | milligan_ | no, I cant :) |
| 11:47.47 | jelly | milligan_: is this a debian system at all? |
| 11:47.52 | nsadmin | why? |
| 11:47.54 | milligan_ | jelly, busybox |
| 11:48.01 | abrotman | apache in busybox ? |
| 11:48.05 | milligan_ | yep |
| 11:48.09 | liable | no |
| 11:48.30 | abrotman | seriously? why? |
| 11:49.13 | nsadmin | then you can have 1 busy 2 busy 3 busy indians... |
| 11:49.30 | jelly | milligan_: so it's not debian. get yourself a nice working strace and figure it out |
| 11:49.49 | nsadmin | strace in busybox? |
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| 11:50.01 | jelly | nsadmin: busybox is a shell. |
| 11:50.12 | nsadmin | I understand that :) |
| 11:50.28 | jelly | nsadmin: it allows running apps that are no built-in, too |
| 11:50.37 | nsadmin | it's a collection of tools in one executable |
| 11:51.06 | jelly | and one can also run tools that aren't built-in in addition to those that are |
| 11:51.16 | nsadmin | oh yeah, because there's a shell in it too |
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| 11:51.23 | jelly | that's what I said! |
| 11:51.37 | liable | she* |
| 11:51.45 | liable | runs |
| 11:51.56 | jelly | liable: no. Not YET, at least |
| 11:52.00 | nsadmin | no you said busybox -is- a shell, which I took metaphorically |
| 11:52.16 | jelly | nsadmin: implication is "it can do what the shells do" |
| 11:52.44 | jelly | apologies for being terse |
| 11:52.50 | nsadmin | np |
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| 12:04.27 | unixp | how can i mount my webcam to /dev/video0 after i putted in -- dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/73056/ |
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| 12:05.48 | petern_ | i guess your webcam doesn't work in linux |
| 12:05.55 | petern_ | (most seem not to) |
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| 12:06.55 | jelly | unixp: uname -r? |
| 12:07.22 | unixp | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:07.31 | jelly | unixp: I'd try a newer kernele |
| 12:07.40 | unixp | how to upgrade? |
| 12:07.51 | jelly | unixp: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 12:07.54 | unixp | easiest way, sry im really new to debian |
| 12:08.01 | wols | !uvcvideo |
| 12:08.01 | dpkg | uvcvideo is probably the Linux USB Video Class (UVC) driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.26. For Ricoh R5U87x webcams, ask me about <r5u87x>. Supported devices: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/#devices . See also <gspca>, <webcam>. |
| 12:08.11 | wols | unixp: this one supports yours |
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| 12:08.27 | jelly | wols: it's only supposed to support it |
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| 12:08.54 | jelly | [11907.940042] uvcvideo: Non-zero status (-84) in status completion handler. |
| 12:09.00 | unixp | jelly, /msg dpkg bpo how to do? |
| 12:09.09 | jelly | unixp: write that in your irc client |
| 12:09.41 | jelly | unixp: you should get a message back from the bot |
| 12:09.49 | unixp | yeah |
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| 12:12.56 | jelly | after you add the line in sources.list, and do those aptitude commands, apt/aptitude will have access to newer kernel packages |
| 12:13.00 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 12:13.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 12:13.39 | jelly | lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1) in particular, which means you'll be able to eg. "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686" |
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| 12:29.37 | valentin | what is the command to change to grub2? it is something with update legacy grub or such, cant find it... |
| 12:30.45 | abrotman | upgrade-grub2 or something like that |
| 12:30.45 | wols | valentin: you install grub2 |
| 12:31.12 | wols | to isntall grub (any version) to the MBR, you use install-grub usually |
| 12:32.11 | valentin | i have grub2 afaik, but so far everytime it boots, it boots in a chainload... first grub and then grub2 in a fancy blue and a debianwallpaper |
| 12:33.14 | jordanm | its something like update-from-grub-legacy. it should have prompted you about it via a curses interface at install time to inform you what needed to be ran |
| 12:33.22 | abrotman | valentin: upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
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| 12:33.41 | abrotman | grub-pc: /usr/sbin/upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
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| 12:44.19 | saulo | Hello all I'm with a problem with Apache + SVN. Tryed at #httpd and #svn but no info in 1 week. Somebody with Apache + SVN could help me here? |
| 12:44.29 | saulo | This config http://pastebin.com/q3nJGYLe generate the error "client denied by server configuration" when I connect from a SVN client, but from web browser runs perfect! |
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| 12:44.37 | saulo | The error I receive from SVN client: (403 Forbidden) at response for PROPFIND asked for '/svn/project1' |
| 12:44.44 | saulo | At Apache: [Wed May 12 09:47:43 2010] [error] [client 192.168.254.241] client denied by server configuration: /var/www/svn |
| 12:45.07 | jordanm | saulo: propfind is a webdav call IIRC. is that intended? |
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| 12:45.22 | saulo | yes! |
| 12:45.41 | saulo | I'm using webdav to put SVN with HTTP access |
| 12:46.23 | jordanm | mod_webdav enabled/ |
| 12:46.26 | jordanm | ? |
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| 12:47.36 | saulo | yes. I can access from Web browser perfectily. But let me confirm here |
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| 12:48.57 | jordanm | saulo: regular browsers are not webdav clients (atleast not with additional plugins) |
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| 12:49.00 | saulo | In reality, the modules I have enabled are mod_dav, mod_dav_svn |
| 12:49.04 | jordanm | err without |
| 12:49.17 | chut | hi people, booted to rescue mode to fix kernel problem but I can't use vim because it says Error opening terminal: bterm. |
| 12:49.23 | chut | what do i do |
| 12:49.35 | chut | ican't move vim at all |
| 12:49.37 | jeff_hann | chut, mount /usr |
| 12:49.43 | chut | oh |
| 12:50.00 | saulo | jordanm: "mod_webdav does not exists". It's aanother module too? |
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| 12:50.28 | chut | let me booot again |
| 12:50.33 | jeff_hann | no |
| 12:50.42 | jeff_hann | why boot again? |
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| 12:53.51 | jordanm | saulo: my quick google search said it was. I have never used lighthttpd however |
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| 12:54.25 | chut | jeff_hann, it said can't find /usr |
| 12:54.35 | chut | can't find /usr in /etc/fstab |
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| 12:54.45 | chut | how do i mount /usr in fstab |
| 12:54.54 | jeff_hann | you don't |
| 12:55.03 | jeff_hann | chut, ls /usr/bin |
| 12:55.11 | jeff_hann | does it show anything? |
| 12:55.24 | saulo | jordanm: I can't find for Apache 2.2 at default debian repositories. Found only dav and svn :( |
| 12:55.25 | chut | yeah |
| 12:55.27 | chut | a lot |
| 12:55.39 | chut | lot of commands |
| 12:56.24 | jeff_hann | so...what does vim have to do with bter,? |
| 12:56.30 | jeff_hann | *bterm |
| 12:56.55 | chut | i'm not sure |
| 12:57.07 | chut | but i can't edit with vim at all |
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| 12:57.34 | Tux^verdreifelt | why not? |
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| 12:58.04 | jeff_hann | chut, type vim and press tab twice |
| 12:58.11 | chut | I'm not sure, it keep hanging and i can't move the keyboard |
| 12:58.48 | chut | theyhave vim vim.basic vim.tiny vimdiff vimtutor |
| 12:59.14 | jeff_hann | vim.basic then |
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| 13:00.33 | saulo | jordanm: Command room calling me (I'm at work xD, I back as soon I can |
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| 13:02.19 | chut | ah, thanks jeff_hann, is it using vi instead of vi |
| 13:02.39 | chut | because i's only response to key jkl something to move up or down |
| 13:02.55 | jeff_hann | :) |
| 13:02.57 | chut | the up and down arrow key doesn't response to it |
| 13:02.59 | chut | right? |
| 13:03.11 | jeff_hann | chut, you logged in via ssh? |
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| 13:03.53 | jeff_hann | chut, ah, no, it's because you have sh instead of bash for now |
| 13:04.08 | jeff_hann | type bash if you want your arrow keys back |
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| 13:06.37 | chut | dang this is bad ,it says couldn't find defintion |
| 13:06.44 | RussellF36 | hi have wembin installed by any firewall changes are not taking effect, so i have used this script |
| 13:06.44 | RussellF36 | http://pastebin.com/8XTH0cKT |
| 13:06.48 | chut | when use the arrow keys :( |
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| 13:07.05 | RussellF36 | can anyone tell me how to block port 25 outbound for speficed ip range? |
| 13:07.20 | jeff_hann | chut, echo $SHELL |
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| 13:09.00 | abrotman | RussellF36: which problem are you trying to fix? webmin or iptables? |
| 13:09.10 | chut | jeff_hann, /bin/bash |
| 13:09.38 | jeff_hann | chut, are you able to do your editing now? |
| 13:10.00 | jeff_hann | try vim.tiny for a change if you really need the arrow keys |
| 13:10.34 | chut | let me try with vim.tiny |
| 13:10.35 | RussellF36 | Abrot ideal configuring webmin to be able to control iptables |
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| 13:10.52 | RussellF36 | *Abrotman:ideally |
| 13:10.53 | jeff_hann | chut, gotta run, be back in 20 |
| 13:10.57 | jordanm | !webmin |
| 13:10.57 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 13:11.11 | abrotman | RussellF36: there hasn't been webmin in debian for years .. it's a pile of steaming poo |
| 13:11.34 | abrotman | RussellF36: so i think if you want that fixed, you'd ask #webmin |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | with all five users in that channel |
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| 13:11.58 | chut | nope jeff_hann |
| 13:12.08 | chut | this is bad i think it'sa bug |
| 13:12.09 | chut | right? |
| 13:12.16 | RussellF36 | fair enough, i am newish to the debian front, could you point me towards a half decent iptables config/let me know how to make it drop port 25 |
| 13:12.35 | abrotman | RussellF36: netfilter.org has pretty good docs .. so does lartc.org |
| 13:12.42 | the-dude | RussellF36: try shorewall |
| 13:12.45 | jeff_hann | chut, better ask others in the channel, see if someone knows |
| 13:13.04 | jeff_hann | and if it should work, as I think it should, report a bug |
| 13:13.17 | chut | oh, thanks jeff_hann:) |
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| 13:13.51 | jordanm | chut: try a real editor (emacs) |
| 13:13.59 | RussellF36 | can you recommend any decent web admin for debian, i have to make this semi windows admin friendly at work |
| 13:14.08 | abrotman | how is the editor choice related ? |
| 13:14.17 | courpse | likes firestarter for a iptables frontend./ |
| 13:14.20 | abrotman | RussellF36: there's only one in Debian, dtc .. don't know much about it |
| 13:14.23 | abrotman | !dtc |
| 13:14.23 | dpkg | DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html, or apt-cache show dtc-toaster |
| 13:14.28 | chut | i can edit without x install right jordanm? |
| 13:14.36 | jordanm | chut: yes |
| 13:14.38 | chut | because i'm on rescue mode, i have internet |
| 13:14.45 | chut | cool, let me install it |
| 13:14.57 | abrotman | this should be interesting |
| 13:15.07 | jordanm | hides now |
| 13:15.17 | SoulSeller | chut, nano would be easier for you. |
| 13:15.45 | abrotman | seriously .. emacs is not for a beginner |
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| 13:16.25 | jordanm | yes, I was half-way joking. worth the time to learn... but not when your in the middle of trying to fix something |
| 13:16.27 | karme | emacs can well be used by a beginner nowadays |
| 13:16.37 | chut | how come it says Error opening terminal : bterm |
| 13:16.54 | chut | do you know why jordanm? |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | chut: which file are you trying to change? and what do you want to do to it? |
| 13:18.32 | Tux^verdreifelt | emacs sucks when it comes to edit files with it |
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| 13:18.42 | Tux^verdreifelt | as a web browser it is quite nice indeed |
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| 13:19.00 | aburch | emacs is very nice for editing TeX files and reading mail :) |
| 13:19.06 | chut | abrotman /etc/fstab |
| 13:19.12 | abrotman | chut: to do what? |
| 13:19.19 | jordanm | can't forget about tetris! |
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| 13:19.36 | aburch | I still want to try using it for programming, but still use vim for that... |
| 13:19.51 | chut | i want to edit this file because after i upgraded from lenny to testing with kernel 2.6.32 something, it won't boot anymore, it says file not found |
| 13:19.55 | helo | vim does not require that you look for alternatives :) |
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| 13:20.06 | chut | is It because the new updated has overwritten to fstab? |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | chut: doubtful, likely a driver change |
| 13:20.26 | chut | ohh |
| 13:20.34 | chut | how do i get the UUID abrotman? |
| 13:20.37 | jordanm | helo: you mean such as vim.tiny, vim.basic, and etc? |
| 13:20.53 | SoulSeller | chut, blkid |
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| 13:21.23 | sepult | lo |
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| 13:21.45 | chut | oh cool |
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| 13:22.23 | mutable | Hello. I've problem with udev RUN action. If I pass script without arguments located in /usr/lib, it gets executed. However if I pass program in /usr/bin with arguments, nothing happens... |
| 13:23.12 | mutable | /usr/lib -> /lib/udev ... RUN="lomoco-mx510" (in /lib/udev) works, RUN="/usr/bin/lomoco -8" doesn't work |
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| 13:25.45 | helo | jordanm: no, i mean using vim for programming is great, and doesn't require aburch to try emacs :) |
| 13:26.04 | Tux^verdreifelt | vim is great for anything :) |
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| 13:26.19 | jordanm | helo: I think he just needed to edit a config file |
| 13:26.20 | aburch | Tux^verdreifelt: One can read mail with vim? |
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| 13:26.56 | Tux^verdreifelt | aburch: why should i want that? thunderbird & muttator.. |
| 13:26.59 | aburch | helo: Oh, I'm quite happy with emacs for Mail and editing TeX files already. |
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| 13:27.13 | helo | ahh, i see |
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| 13:28.15 | jordanm | I suppose vim can also edit hex? |
| 13:28.25 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 13:28.25 | dpkg | vim is known to cause brain damage! |
| 13:29.28 | aburch | Tux^verdreifelt: muttator is a skin to make Tunderbird look like mutt? But mutt was too slow for me... |
| 13:29.43 | joltcan | vim is nice, ed is good for brain damage |
| 13:30.12 | aburch | I used ed once(!) in a NetBSD recovery system. Bargh. But even they include vi now. |
| 13:30.59 | Tux^verdreifelt | aburch: not look, also feel |
| 13:31.00 | jordanm | I see ed occasionaly suggested in #bash as part of scripting |
| 13:31.26 | Tux^verdreifelt | including command controls |
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| 13:33.57 | aburch | Tux^verdreifelt: But it doesn't support connecting to an IMAP server via a custom command, does it? There are really few mail clients that do so :/ |
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| 13:34.18 | jelly | jordanm: ed will not corrupt your precious bodily fluids |
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| 13:35.03 | ironm | hi guys .. I hipe you are well ;-) .. how can I downgrade the php 5.3 to php 5.2 in debian squeeze? |
| 13:35.05 | helo | ponders jelly and jordanm's relationship |
| 13:36.14 | Tux^verdreifelt | aburch: basically you can access all tb commands via keys |
| 13:36.23 | jordanm | !php5.3 |
| 13:36.23 | dpkg | [php5.3] You should have checked the <BTS> before you upgraded (ask me about <apt-listbugs>). Remove PHP completely and install the older versions from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or download them from http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/php5/ |
| 13:36.24 | Tux^verdreifelt | so if tb can, muttator can, too |
| 13:36.25 | Tux^verdreifelt | :D |
| 13:36.41 | jelly | wtf is muttator! |
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| 13:37.07 | Tux^verdreifelt | http://www.vimperator.org @ jelly |
| 13:37.26 | helo | he means a canine tuber |
| 13:37.37 | helo | ba dum bum |
| 13:38.41 | jelly | Tux^verdreifelt: $DEITY, there's a status line |
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| 13:39.23 | j_14 | did sid went back to 2.6.32 from 2.6.34? or am I mistaken? |
| 13:39.38 | Tux^verdreifelt | jelly: yes. |
| 13:39.46 | jelly | j_14: there is no 2.6.34 yet, is there? |
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| 13:39.53 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 13:39.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 13:40.06 | jelly | dpkg: kernel |
| 13:40.09 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100512, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc7-git3, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc7, stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.3 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.12 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.46 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
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| 13:41.37 | j_14 | thanks, must have been my blurry vision :) |
| 13:41.55 | helo | couldn't stop that spinning force... |
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| 13:42.26 | pzn | How can I limit the disk I/O rate of a single LVM volume? |
| 13:43.50 | Tux^verdreifelt | be back later |
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| 13:47.09 | chessboxing | Hi I want to set umask for a certain user I think this is set in ~/.profile But it isn't there. How should I create it? |
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| 13:47.54 | jordanm | chessboxing: same way you create any other file... but you will likely want to create in /etc/skel as well |
| 13:48.10 | jordanm | chessboxing: nvm, "certain user" will not want /etc/skel |
| 13:48.44 | chessboxing | jordanm: so just umask=002 for instance? |
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| 13:50.00 | jordanm | chessboxing: umask is not a variable, in this case, its a built-in command |
| 13:50.42 | chessboxing | jordanm: I don't get it. I just want when this user uploads or makes files it has a certain permission... |
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| 13:51.28 | jordanm | chessboxing: umask 002; however, I believe that is the default anyways |
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| 13:51.45 | jordanm | no, 022 is default... |
| 13:51.51 | chessboxing | jordanm: just an example. |
| 13:52.25 | jordanm | chessboxing: check out the umask section of the bash manpage |
| 13:52.36 | chessboxing | shoots himself |
| 13:53.19 | zrin | kjournald hängs while copying data between two lvm (from ext4 to ext3) on the same pv (on raid10) (lenny with 2.6.30 from backports): http://paste.debian.net/73067/ |
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| 13:53.49 | zrin | can you please take a look and tell me what are most probable causes? |
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| 14:08.04 | chessboxing | so I set /etc/profile with umask 012 (765) Then I compare the rights, with a .txt file created before umask change and after, but they are the same... |
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| 14:09.31 | jordanm | chessboxing: did you source /etc/profile? check you umask before creating the file? |
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| 14:11.15 | chessboxing | jordanm: I don't know how "to source" /etc/profile or any file. umask displays 0012 |
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| 14:29.02 | abrotman | zrin: perhaps the issue is ext4 related though |
| 14:29.09 | zrin | abrotman: it could be |
| 14:29.53 | zrin | abrotman: I need vmware server with several lennys on it as file server, database server etc. |
| 14:30.14 | abrotman | and? |
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| 14:30.34 | zamba | i have a problem with a debian installation after upgrading to lenny |
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| 14:30.55 | abrotman | to lenny or from lenny ? |
| 14:31.22 | zamba | looks like it's related to udev and allocation of ttys (ptys).. when i try logging in over ssh, i get the following: Server refused to allocate pty |
| 14:31.28 | zamba | to lenny |
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| 14:32.06 | zrin | abrotman: two machines are connected with dedicated bond of two nics with AoE and md-raid1 over local storage and aoe partitions ... so lockup problems might come from every corner :( |
| 14:32.07 | zamba | i'm not physically at the server right now, but i will be tomorrow.. since it's kind of hard to debug this on the console i was looking to get some ideas as to what to try to gix it |
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| 14:32.22 | zamba | looks like udev doesn't want to start |
| 14:32.33 | lindi- | zamba: too old kernel? |
| 14:32.36 | abrotman | zamba: what kernel is it running ? |
| 14:32.50 | zamba | ok, i'll put that down as a thing to check |
| 14:32.57 | abrotman | zrin: that sounds like a big pile of fun .. i'd probably start by eliminating ext4 |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | zamba: lenny should have a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 14:33.14 | zamba | abrotman: ok |
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| 14:34.19 | tuvwx | is there an easy way to see what changes have been applied to a conf file compared to the maintainer's original version? |
| 14:34.26 | zrin | abrotman: I started moving the data and had lockups during that - reading from ext4, writing to ext3; the data was copied crrectly |
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| 14:34.51 | abrotman | zrin: though your paste implies an issue with ext3 |
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| 14:35.24 | abrotman | zrin: nevermind.. time difference is a fair amount |
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| 14:47.13 | Amedeo | hello everybody |
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| 14:48.40 | scratchme | Hi all. What's the correct way to find out what package a command is in, like say updatedb? I did a google search but it's not real clear. |
| 14:48.58 | themill | scratchme: dpkg -S, dlocate or apt-file. |
| 14:49.40 | jordanm | still wants to know why he gets unexpected results when using "$" with apt-file |
| 14:49.50 | Amedeo | can anyone tell me when debian 6 is released? |
| 14:50.00 | scratchme | themill: dpkg -S updateb just says it's not found. |
| 14:50.09 | abrotman | Amedeo: no one can |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | !tell Amedeo about wwsr |
| 14:50.48 | themill | scratchme: typo? |
| 14:51.14 | scratchme | er I typo'd in chat, not in the command line. I wrote updatedb in the command line. |
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| 14:51.49 | themill | scratchme: if the package is not installed yet, then you want apt-file. The other two are for packages already installed. |
| 14:52.05 | themill | ,file updatedb |
| 14:52.08 | judd | updatedb in lenny/i386: nss-updatedb: usr/sbin/nss_updatedb |
| 14:52.13 | themill | scratchme: or a convenient bot |
| 14:52.15 | scratchme | apt-file does't show using which |
| 14:52.33 | scratchme | It says it's a script, but is that the right one? |
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| 14:52.45 | themill | scratchme: "right one"? |
| 14:52.46 | scratchme | (I read about nss_updatdb when I googled.) |
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| 14:52.55 | scratchme | I just want the /usr/bin/updatedb binary |
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| 14:53.08 | themill | scratchme: you probably want the "mlocate" package |
| 14:53.23 | scratchme | mlocate is different, but similar, right? |
| 14:53.29 | themill | to what? |
| 14:53.35 | scratchme | locate / updatedb |
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| 14:53.59 | themill | scratchme: there are many different implementations of locate and updatedb.... |
| 14:54.34 | scratchme | How do I identify which one I'm using in my other installs? Some of my installs already have it. |
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| 14:55.07 | scratchme | Ahh, aptitude search mlocate on the other system reveals I do indeed have mlocate. |
| 14:55.21 | themill | scratchme: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/updatedb) |
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| 14:55.30 | karme | scratchme: dlocate $(which locate) ;-) |
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| 14:55.56 | scratchme | themill: I see. Thanks. |
| 14:56.33 | themill | karme: that won't actually give the right result on many systems |
| 14:56.50 | karme | themill: was just for the joke anyway |
| 14:57.14 | themill | karme: it's mostly right though... (see what I wrote in the previous line) |
| 14:57.24 | karme | themill: but you already mentioned dlocate => i am lame |
| 14:57.44 | scratchme | themill: That helped a lot, thanks again. |
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| 14:59.02 | karme | just for completeness then: dlocate $(readlink -f $(which locate)) |
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| 14:59.40 | themill | \o/ |
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| 15:00.45 | scratchme | karme: That'd be great except I don't seem to have dlocate, but the dpkg -S worked. |
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| 15:02.27 | fsjal | Can i do a net install using an Alfa AWUS036H wireless card if it is detected by the kernel ? |
| 15:02.30 | karme | scratchme: ok then maybe: X="dlocate"; type $X >/dev/null 2>&1 || X="dpkg -S"; $X $(readlink -f $(which locate)) |
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| 15:03.00 | scratchme | karme: I think the suggestion from themill was easier. |
| 15:03.01 | themill | thinks we have an escapee from #bash here |
| 15:03.17 | fsjal | Can i do a net install using an Alfa AWUS036H wireless card if it is detected by the kernel ? Can someone answer please ? i am going to try debian for first time. |
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| 15:03.55 | themill | fsjal: see the trouble with trollling in one channel and then coming into another to ask for help is that people don't want to help you |
| 15:04.08 | fsjal | haha |
| 15:04.12 | fsjal | you found me |
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| 15:04.26 | mattgirv | heh |
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| 15:05.14 | yurii | Hi we currently have some IPs listed in a .log file on one server and we need to transfer these IP addresses into a MySQL database on another server - what would be the best way to do this? |
| 15:05.19 | yurii | Automatically at certain times |
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| 15:05.36 | karme | scratchme: a last one, maybe it looks better: $(which dlocate || echo dpkg -S) $(readlink -f $(which locate)) |
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| 15:09.15 | yurii | I have a .shtml webpage and would like to show how many rows are in a certain MySQL table. is this possible? |
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| 15:10.53 | _2 | bug ? Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdmgdm[5026]: WARNING: gdm_config_parse: Authdir /var/lib/gdm does not exist. Aborting. |
| 15:10.55 | scratchme | karme: the effort is admirable, but I'd rather move onto other things since the problem has already been solved ;) |
| 15:11.26 | jordanm | _2: did you modify /var/lib/gdm? |
| 15:11.30 | _2 | stock lenny install. gdm should work. what's worse the dir is there. |
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| 15:13.06 | _2 | jordanm drwxr-xr-t 2 root gdm 4096 May 12 10:11 /var/lib/gdm/ |
| 15:13.19 | karme | yurii: regarding your first question: there are many ways and not likely a best one. first step would be to extract the ips. depending on the log file format you might wish to use a tool for that. »LC_ALL=C aptitude search "?description(log analyzer)"« might get you started. second step would then be to add those to the db. |
| 15:13.22 | jordanm | _2: apt-cache policy gdm |
| 15:14.08 | yurii | karme: okay :) thanks |
| 15:14.19 | _2 | what do you want from that ? source or version ? |
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| 15:14.33 | jordanm | _2: version |
| 15:14.45 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.42 | jordanm | _2: well, the package itself does not contain that dir, so I assume it generated on --configure. try something like dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 15:16.06 | _2 | jordanm but the dir is there ??? |
| 15:16.19 | jordanm | _2: right, which means it must be generated |
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| 15:16.46 | karme | yurii: maybe better: aptitude search '?tag(security::log-analyzer)' |
| 15:16.53 | _2 | did. no change. same error |
| 15:17.27 | Morten_ | Hey! - Im running a debian squeeze machine, but I have some trouble. The netcard is only working some times, and when it does not work, the ifconfig shows the netcard as having the hardware address: 00:00:00:00.... Could this be related to the CMOS battery being dead? - Or just the netcard being faulty? |
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| 15:18.00 | Morten_ | (I know the cmos battery is dead, and the system loosing the date-information) |
| 15:18.03 | jordanm | Morten_: check dmesg for releated things |
| 15:18.14 | wols | Morten_: sounds like the NIC. MAC addresses are in a ROM on the card. no battery involved |
| 15:18.18 | _2 | gdm_config_parse: Authdir /var/lib/gdm does not exist. Aborting. |
| 15:18.32 | Morten_ | wols, NIC? |
| 15:18.36 | wols | !NIC |
| 15:18.36 | dpkg | from memory, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network. Network Information Center |
| 15:18.39 | Morten_ | jordanm, okay, ill look at that |
| 15:18.45 | Morten_ | ah |
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| 15:19.15 | jordanm | _2: looks like this might be related but the bug submitter did not follow up... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555618 |
| 15:19.25 | jordanm | ,versions gdm |
| 15:19.27 | judd | gdm -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.10-3; squeeze: 2.20.10-3 |
| 15:19.32 | jm | _2, did you get setleds working like you wanted? |
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| 15:19.44 | _2 | jm yes |
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| 15:20.05 | yurii | karme: none listed hmm |
| 15:20.26 | _2 | i'll try xdm or kdm for now. thanks jordanm |
| 15:20.26 | yurii | karme: the IP is always the first word in the .log file, one IP per line |
| 15:20.35 | karme | yurii: for the second one you mught have to install debtags |
| 15:21.12 | jordanm | _2: you can always set configuration in /etc/gdm, which from what I understand, overrides anything in /var/lib/gdm |
| 15:21.25 | karme | yurii: of course also could use sed/cut - but then make sure your statement is really always true ;-) |
| 15:21.57 | karme | yurii: +you |
| 15:22.19 | _2 | jordanm xdm is working so for now. i'll have to put fixing this on hold and go back to work. thanks. |
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| 15:22.50 | karme | yurii: if you go that route you can write a small shell script and if you use logrotate could call it in the postrotate hook |
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| 15:31.52 | gusnan | Is the debian-devel mailinglist availible through gmane? |
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| 15:32.20 | themill | gusnan: yes |
| 15:33.00 | tpocra | I have a Squeeze guest OS that I am trying to chroot into after mounting |
| 15:33.09 | courpse | Is there a up to date mysql server aval for debian? |
| 15:33.19 | tpocra | But mount /dev/mapper/guest /mnt && cd /mnt && chroot . |
| 15:33.24 | tpocra | yields a Segmentation fault |
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| 15:33.58 | gusnan | How do I find it? I get all the one "underneath" - like devel.desktop and so forth, but debian.devel isn't subscribable... I am looking at gmane.linux.debian.devel and underneath. |
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| 15:34.56 | themill | gusnan: it's gmane.linux.debian.devel.general. |
| 15:34.59 | jordanm | gusnan: devel.general |
| 15:35.17 | gusnan | Ah! Thank you both! |
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| 15:38.09 | linduxed | is there an application that you can test the speed of your line with? |
| 15:38.17 | linduxed | like speedtest but with an app? |
| 15:38.21 | linduxed | package |
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| 15:38.37 | sartek | it's possible to check who translated a package's description ? i'm lookin at ddtp but i cant find a "changelog" or something |
| 15:38.40 | linduxed | man, using android has messed up my jargon :-P |
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| 15:40.27 | justin | linduxed: iperf |
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| 15:41.46 | linduxed | justin: will check |
| 15:41.48 | kuber | rei is a gay fish |
| 15:41.51 | kuber | ack |
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| 15:42.11 | azeem | kuber: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:42.18 | kuber | no, wrong channel. my bad. |
| 15:42.23 | azeem | I see |
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| 15:43.09 | Luixxx | hola |
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| 15:43.56 | Morten_ | jordanm, the dmesg does not show any thing odd (other than the HWadr is "00:00:00:0 .." |
| 15:44.08 | Luixxx | hola alguien habla español? |
| 15:44.13 | themill | !es |
| 15:44.13 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 15:44.35 | Luixxx | ok gracias |
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| 16:00.51 | scratchme | http://www.redhat.com/webinars/virtualization/ <== if any of you were thinking of using red hat virt for your servers, there's a webinar tomorrow. |
| 16:01.46 | scratchme | Do you guys like openvz? |
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| 16:05.22 | lfaraone | !katie |
| 16:05.22 | dpkg | i heard katie is history, or see <dak> |
| 16:05.25 | lfaraone | !dak |
| 16:05.25 | dpkg | dak (debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the Debian archives. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing (and from incoming to unstable) at {1,7,13,19}:52 UTC each day. |
| 16:05.46 | lfaraone | I remember there was a countdown to dinstall. (which is now dak) Where can I find this? |
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| 16:08.00 | abrotman | lfaraone: countdown? in minutes? |
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| 16:08.08 | abrotman | can't you just uh .. use the clock? |
| 16:08.19 | lfaraone | abrotman: lol, nevermind. http://ftp-master.debian.org/dinstall.html is what I was looking for :) |
| 16:08.19 | cipitio | hi |
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| 16:08.40 | abrotman | lfaraone: i'm sad it's not in the style of xdaliclock with the melting numbers :) |
| 16:09.29 | cipitio | how to execute a command when a process (alredy running) end |
| 16:09.45 | lfaraone | In the same vein, if a package has been in unstable for 10+ days, but just got built on ia64, will the ia64 build be installed *and* the pacakge enter testing, or do these happen at separate dak runs? |
| 16:10.55 | abrotman | lfaraone: i'd assume there's a new source upload taht fixed the ia64 issue ? |
| 16:11.13 | jelly | or ia64 buildds are just that slow |
| 16:11.30 | abrotman | i can't imagine 10 days? |
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| 16:11.50 | lfaraone | abrotman: no, the builder was stuck on something for 19 days. I poked the buildd maintainers, they restarted the build, and it built in 3 minutes. |
| 16:11.51 | justin22885 | hey... is there any way i can add a more bleeding edge repository to debian? |
| 16:11.58 | abrotman | than what? |
| 16:12.10 | lfaraone | justin22885: sure, what do you want to add? |
| 16:12.27 | jelly | justin22885: please don't bleed out here |
| 16:12.37 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. |
| 16:12.56 | justin22885 | im just wondering if theres a repository thats more up to date like ubuntus or archs |
| 16:13.06 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:13.20 | abrotman | justin22885: stop being vague .. what are you actually looking for? |
| 16:13.42 | justin22885 | most up to date versions of firefox, wine, kde, etc |
| 16:13.43 | jelly | justin22885: we tend to deal with that on a package by package basis |
| 16:14.13 | jelly | justin22885: some people use the up-and-coming "testing" release of debian |
| 16:14.26 | abrotman | !tell justin22885 about lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:14.42 | themill | justin22885: many prefer a system that has been tested and made to work rather than things that happen to have a higher version number. /msg dpkg moving target |
| 16:14.43 | abrotman | and no, you cannot ask about anything more than that |
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| 16:16.46 | justin22885 | i havent had any instability issues with ubuntus more up to date packages, theyre not testing either, just new |
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| 16:17.21 | lfaraone | justin22885: well, if you want that, then use Ubuntu. |
| 16:17.38 | mattgirv | justin22885: They have different 'definitions' of testing. |
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| 16:17.50 | lfaraone | justin22885: there are no officially supported repositories that contain what you want in Debian, although http://backports.org may be of interest. |
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| 16:18.36 | simonrvn | justin22885: i think you should read up on what 'stable' is. |
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| 16:20.35 | project2501a | yo, does rsh imply telnetd? |
| 16:21.26 | jelly | project2501a: no, different protocol, different service |
| 16:21.49 | project2501a | jelly: what do i need to run in order to support rsh? |
| 16:22.04 | jelly | project2501a: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 16:23.09 | project2501a | jelly: i got this bioinformatics program which requires rsh to run its utils |
| 16:23.18 | project2501a | it rsh's to localhost |
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| 16:23.36 | jelly | project2501a: you could try and make it use ssh instead |
| 16:23.44 | project2501a | rsh ? |
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| 16:23.45 | project2501a | hm |
| 16:23.54 | fubada | hi, i cant seem to take my debian out of UTC timezone, i changed /etc/timezone and /etc/default/rcS to UTC=no |
| 16:23.56 | fubada | rebooted |
| 16:24.01 | fubada | still the system is in UTC |
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| 16:24.32 | ondrejk | fubada: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:24.33 | jelly | project2501a: not rsh, your app |
| 16:24.44 | project2501a | hmmmm |
| 16:24.50 | project2501a | jelly, i can do that |
| 16:24.53 | fubada | thanks worked |
| 16:25.04 | ondrejk | np |
| 16:25.35 | jelly | project2501a: you'll probably need to set up passwordless key-based authentication |
| 16:25.36 | mazzanet | how do i add ethernet card drivers to the installer? |
| 16:25.48 | project2501a | jelly: i'm ahead of ya :D |
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| 16:32.15 | debnub | Hey, I just downloaded and put Debian i386 KDE live cd on my usb and booted it. Please tell me there is an option to install to HDD on this live image and I didn't just waste bandwidth. |
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| 16:32.36 | debnub | I can't find an option to install it to hard drive. :< |
| 16:32.49 | jordanm | debnub: the livecd is not an installer, but you can use debootstrap |
| 16:32.54 | jordanm | !debootstrap |
| 16:32.54 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 16:33.34 | debnub | jordanm: Thanks, I'll give it a look. Most distros have an install option with their live cd's. |
| 16:33.35 | iluminator101 | whats a flash downloader add on you guys suggest |
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| 16:33.57 | jordanm | iluminator101: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:34.14 | iluminator101 | i mean for firefox |
| 16:34.28 | themill | iluminator101: you mean something like youtube-dl |
| 16:34.54 | iluminator101 | but i dont want them to log what i watch and stuff |
| 16:35.39 | debnub | rofl |
| 16:35.53 | debnub | iluminator101: Use over 7 proxies |
| 16:35.57 | debnub | giggles |
| 16:36.30 | iluminator101 | i mean for flashdownloader add on privacy policy |
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| 16:37.00 | project2501a | you getting jelly? |
| 16:37.08 | project2501a | beatnuts |
| 16:37.19 | project2501a | jelly: ta mate |
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| 16:38.13 | debnub | This debootstrap is intimidating. :x |
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| 16:42.34 | zrin | is it possible to make virtual scsi device out of a block device, e.g. lvm volume? |
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| 16:42.59 | SlayerXP | zrin: umm, kinda, yes. |
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| 16:43.20 | zrin | SlayerXP: does it have something to do with /dev/sg? |
| 16:43.24 | SlayerXP | zrin: google mhvtl, it does sort of what you want, but sort of the wrong way round |
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| 16:44.18 | SlayerXP | zrin: combine with scst for best effect |
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| 16:45.12 | zrin | SlayerXP: I'm thinking of using local block devices as/for pass-through scsi devices for virtual machines |
| 16:47.02 | zrin | "SCST is an alternative implementation of a SCSI target subsystem for Linux" - what is the other one? |
| 16:47.22 | SlayerXP | zrin: the built in one. |
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| 16:47.50 | SlayerXP | zrin: openiscsi might do what you want, actually |
| 16:47.59 | zrin | SlayerXP: thank you |
| 16:48.56 | zrin | SlayerXP: iscsi would be over tcp, I'd like to avoid that and let virtual machines use local block devices without (much) hypervisor interaction |
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| 16:49.53 | jelly | zrin: which virtualization platform? |
| 16:50.01 | zrin | jelly: vmware server |
| 16:50.37 | jelly | zrin: it already allows you to use raw devices in vm guests. |
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| 16:51.09 | jelly | you just need to configure it properly; same thing with virtualbox, and I bet most others |
| 16:51.10 | zrin | jelly: only workstation, not server |
| 16:51.13 | starenka | hi, where can i find shell scripts executed on suspend/sleep etc? i thought they're in /etc/acpi or /etc/pm but those dirs seems empty :( |
| 16:52.20 | zrin | jelly: perhaps "manual" configuration or copying .vmx files would work, but as there is "pass-through scsi" I'd first try that |
| 16:52.57 | zrin | jelly: I imagine that SCST layer on top of a block device rather thin and simple |
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| 16:53.07 | starenka | or at least they used to be there in lenny as i remember |
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| 16:54.54 | zrin | it even reads "SCST core engine has passed VMware certification ..." |
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| 16:59.37 | saulo | Hello all |
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| 17:00.03 | saulo | I'm with a problem with Apache + SVN. Tryed at #httpd and #svn but no info in 1 week. Somebody with Apache + SVN could help me here? This config http://pastebin.com/q3nJGYLe generate the error "client denied by server configuration" when I connect from a SVN client, but from web browser runs perfect! The error I receive from SVN client: (403 Forbidden) at response for PROPFIND asked for... |
| 17:00.05 | saulo | ...'/svn/project1' At Apache: [Wed May 12 09:47:43 2010] [error] [client 192.168.254.241] client denied by server configuration: /var/www/svn |
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| 17:01.20 | chut | anyone uses squeeze |
| 17:01.24 | chut | is that the namefor testing? |
| 17:01.34 | jeff_hann | chut, here I am |
| 17:01.41 | chut | weeee |
| 17:01.44 | jeff_hann | chut, ask your question |
| 17:01.55 | tuvwx | what is the best way to do automatic updates (at least those that do not require interactions/debconf) ? i'm aware of cron-apt, unattended-upgrades, and plain old cron |
| 17:02.01 | jeff_hann | saulo, I have a deja-vu |
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| 17:04.08 | chut | jeff_hann, i upgraded to squeeze, now it gave me a lot of warnings on udevd |
| 17:04.22 | chut | and it keepchecking my root file system |
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| 17:04.30 | jeff_hann | chut, let it check |
| 17:04.36 | chut | yes |
| 17:05.14 | chut | it says SYSFS {} ==will be removedin future udev version,please use ATT {}= to match .... |
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| 17:05.38 | chut | lot of errors and it 's also force to fsck, i already did it many times |
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| 17:05.50 | mederEsite | i seemed to have messed up my debian's perl and cant compile anything properly |
| 17:05.59 | mederEsite | i seemed to have upgraded some packages i think |
| 17:06.04 | mederEsite | i'm not sure which ones i did, though |
| 17:06.08 | jeff_hann | chut, that is a warning more than a error |
| 17:06.11 | mederEsite | can anyone provide tips |
| 17:06.18 | jelly | mederEsite: which debian release are you supposed to be running? |
| 17:06.24 | chut | yes |
| 17:06.26 | mederEsite | whats the cmd to find out, again? |
| 17:06.32 | jelly | !version |
| 17:06.32 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 17:06.47 | mederEsite | squeeze/sid |
| 17:06.58 | chut | jeff_hann, and why it always force to fsck disk |
| 17:07.05 | chut | idid it like 4 times now |
| 17:07.34 | jelly | mederEsite: then /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt* will contain logs of what you installed/upgraded |
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| 17:08.00 | jeff_hann | chut, always the same partition? |
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| 17:08.33 | chut | yeah |
| 17:08.54 | chut | same partition jeff_hann |
| 17:09.18 | jeff_hann | boot a livecd and fsck it manually (unmounted) |
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| 17:09.34 | saulo | jeff_hann: hey jeff! was you with me today? :D |
| 17:09.49 | jelly | mederEsite: that shows what's currently installed. Now, what I was asking was, are you supposed to be running Debian 5 (stable, lenny) instead of squeeze or sid? |
| 17:09.57 | jeff_hann | saulo, no, but I saw the question previously |
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| 17:10.08 | mederEsite | jelly: my sources is sid |
| 17:10.11 | mederEsite | or whatever |
| 17:10.16 | saulo | jeff_hann xD hehe |
| 17:10.17 | mederEsite | yes |
| 17:10.22 | jelly | mederEsite: is this a production machine? |
| 17:10.25 | mederEsite | uh |
| 17:10.37 | mederEsite | its not a production server |
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| 17:10.54 | chut | i have to unmout the root partition jeff_hann? |
| 17:10.58 | chut | and fsck it? |
| 17:11.10 | jelly | mederEsite: there's no downgrade procedure that always work, so the simplest thing to do is reinstall |
| 17:11.16 | mederEsite | eh |
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| 17:11.20 | mederEsite | reinstall what |
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| 17:11.28 | jelly | mederEsite: the whole OS |
| 17:11.32 | jeff_hann | chut, from a live cd |
| 17:11.33 | mederEsite | are you kidding |
| 17:11.42 | jelly | not at all, I'm afraid |
| 17:12.14 | chut | yes |
| 17:12.39 | jelly | mederEsite: either that or restore from backups, basically the same thing |
| 17:12.54 | mederEsite | hm |
| 17:13.59 | jelly | mederEsite: if you're proficient with debian tools and know how to install exact versions of package when multiple versions are available, and are able to fix breaks during installation, take a look at /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 17:16.15 | jelly | mederEsite: you might be able to figure out exactly which packages need downgrading, from the dpkg and apt* logs. |
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| 17:19.08 | themill | mederEsite: /msg dpkg not available ; /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 17:28.18 | erstazi | Quick question: What is the equivalent of /etc/rc.status in debian? |
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| 17:31.32 | jordanm | erstazi: since our distro does not have it, you should tell us what it does... or what you need it for |
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| 17:39.28 | davidfetter | hello |
| 17:39.48 | davidfetter | i'd like to package slony1-2.0.3 vs. postgresql 8.3 instead of 8.4 |
| 17:39.50 | davidfetter | what do i do? |
| 17:39.54 | davidfetter | <-- debian n00b |
| 17:40.09 | davidfetter | i'm looking at this: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/slony1-2/slony1-2_2.0.3-1.dsc |
| 17:40.09 | jordanm | !newb |
| 17:40.10 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 17:40.24 | davidfetter | thanks :) |
| 17:40.33 | jordanm | ,versions slony |
| 17:40.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'slony' was found. |
| 17:40.40 | jordanm | ,versions slony1-2 |
| 17:40.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'slony1-2' was found. |
| 17:40.50 | davidfetter | ,versions slony1 |
| 17:40.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'slony1' was found. |
| 17:41.00 | jordanm | ,versions slony1-bin |
| 17:41.02 | judd | slony1-bin -- etch: 1.2.1-1; etch-backports: 1.2.15-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.2.15-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.21-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.2.21-1; squeeze: 1.2.21-1 |
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| 17:42.02 | davidfetter | yes, i know 1.2.x is available. it's not the version i need |
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| 17:42.25 | jordanm | davidfetter: what version do you need? |
| 17:42.26 | themill | versions postgresql-8.4-slony1 |
| 17:42.27 | themill | ,versions postgresql-8.4-slony1 |
| 17:42.28 | judd | postgresql-8.4-slony1 -- lenny-backports: 1.2.21-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.2.21-1; squeeze: 1.2.21-1 |
| 17:42.29 | abrotman | davidfetter: wait .. what's wrong with pgsql8.4 ? |
| 17:42.50 | themill | scratches head |
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| 17:42.57 | davidfetter | there's nothing wrong with it at all. using slony1-2.0.3 is part of how we need to migrate to it |
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| 17:43.03 | abrotman | ,versions postgresql-8.3-slony1 |
| 17:43.05 | judd | postgresql-8.3-slony1 -- etch-backports: 1.2.15-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.2.15-1 |
| 17:43.08 | abrotman | is probably what he really watned ? |
| 17:43.15 | davidfetter | no, it's not what i really wanted |
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| 17:43.24 | abrotman | you just asked to build slony against pgsql8.3 ? |
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| 17:43.41 | davidfetter | i need to build slony1 2.0.3 vs. pgsql 8.3 |
| 17:44.10 | jordanm | davidfetter: the postgresql-8.3-slony1 has not already done that? |
| 17:44.11 | themill | this is the slony1 2.0.3 that isn't in debian anywhere just yet? |
| 17:44.35 | jordanm | is confused |
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| 17:44.47 | jordanm | wouldn't 2.0.3 be a lesser version than etch? |
| 17:44.47 | themill | suggests that davidfetter start again from the beginning |
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| 17:45.50 | abrotman | jordanm: 2.0.3 vs 1.2.1 ? |
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| 17:45.52 | davidfetter | sure |
| 17:46.14 | jordanm | abrotman: ah |
| 17:46.17 | davidfetter | we have postgresql 8.3 with several TB of data and short downtime requirements |
| 17:46.34 | davidfetter | we're upgrading to 8.4, and to do that, we need to use slony 2.0.latest |
| 17:46.36 | abrotman | so downtime is okay? :) |
| 17:46.52 | djura-san | o/ |
| 17:47.21 | jordanm | and your migrating production data to software that released a month ago? |
| 17:47.25 | jordanm | you're |
| 17:47.48 | abrotman | oh .. 2.0.3 is in debian |
| 17:47.55 | abrotman | judd: info slony1-2-bin |
| 17:47.58 | judd | No record of package 'slony1-2-bin' in lenny/i386. |
| 17:48.02 | abrotman | judd: info slony1-2-bin --release squeeze |
| 17:48.03 | judd | slony1-2-bin (database, optional): replication system for PostgreSQL: daemon and administration tools. Version: 2.0.3-1; Size: 214.9k; Installed: 940k; Homepage: http://slony.info/ |
| 17:48.22 | themill | wtf? which galah chose those package names and versions.... |
| 17:48.33 | xoz | considers it mirror mirror on the wall |
| 17:48.53 | abrotman | themill: i blame jesus |
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| 17:50.28 | simonrvn | so do christians |
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| 17:51.27 | abrotman | davidfetter: is that what you were looking for above ? |
| 17:51.56 | davidfetter | abrotman, i need it for 8.3 |
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| 17:52.32 | erstazi | jordanm: I am thinking the closest to /etc/rc.status is /etc/init.d/rc |
| 17:52.42 | abrotman | davidfetter: and on lenny ? |
| 17:52.46 | jelly | ,depends slony1-2-bin --release squeeze |
| 17:52.47 | judd | slony1-2-bin -- depends: postgresql-common, perl, libc6 (>= 2.7), libpq5 (>= 8.4~0cvs20090328). |
| 17:53.08 | simonrvn | erstazi: what is that supposed to be? |
| 17:53.16 | davidfetter | it's lenny |
| 17:53.20 | jelly | davidfetter: if you're lucky it'll be backportable without many issues |
| 17:53.21 | erstazi | simonrvn: for checking the status of scripts |
| 17:53.28 | jelly | davidfetter: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:53.36 | jordanm | erstazi: invoke-rc.d <script> status |
| 17:53.47 | jelly | ,builddepends slony1-2-bin --release squeeze |
| 17:53.49 | simonrvn | he he said |
| 17:53.53 | simonrvn | what he* |
| 17:53.58 | abrotman | davidfetter: couldn't you update to 8.4 without changing slony first? |
| 17:54.02 | erstazi | aka: http://pastebin.com/UYgjsCJe |
| 17:54.11 | jelly | judd: uh, you don't have build-deps et, do you |
| 17:54.13 | davidfetter | abrotman, no |
| 17:54.36 | davidfetter | the slony thing gates the upgrade |
| 17:54.39 | erstazi | I am a Debian user but I came across an application that calls /etc/rc.status so I am trying to get this application to work with debian |
| 17:54.58 | simonrvn | see what jordanm said... (2nd time) |
| 17:55.17 | simonrvn | datase, where are you when we need you |
| 17:55.25 | erstazi | simonrvn: not the same |
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| 17:55.41 | abrotman | erstazi: what does the app do with that info ? |
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| 17:56.25 | erstazi | abrotman: checks the status of the script that it runs |
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| 17:56.46 | abrotman | erstazi: so why can't you use what jordanm gave you and alter that application ? |
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| 17:57.30 | simonrvn | erstazi: no, it's not the same command. |
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| 17:57.49 | jelly | simonrvn: oh noes! |
| 17:58.15 | levid | Aloha, are there any file system encryption apps out there that let you specify your own encryption levels or even the type of encryption you want to use? |
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| 17:59.14 | erstazi | abrotman: invoke-rd.d <script> status does not provide the same as rc_status or rc_check |
| 17:59.17 | erstazi | abrotman: and many others |
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| 17:59.42 | simonrvn | cry me a river |
| 17:59.49 | abrotman | erstazi: okay .. so what? i asked what the application does with it? |
| 17:59.52 | jelly | erstazi: are you unable to provide a wrapper to make your app work/ |
| 17:59.59 | erstazi | jelly: not my application |
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| 18:00.11 | jelly | erstazi: you seems to be asking about it |
| 18:00.13 | erstazi | again, let me reiterate, I am trying to get this application to work on debian |
| 18:00.29 | jelly | which application? |
| 18:00.34 | erstazi | jelly: jvc |
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| 18:00.47 | erstazi | a web interface for virtualbox |
| 18:00.52 | jordanm | erstazi: whcih may mean you need to modify how things work.. such as changing the way it checks status |
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| 18:00.56 | erstazi | jordanm: I get that |
| 18:01.21 | levid | is anyone familiar with encrypting file systems? i know there is a default one in debian and i've used that but i was wondering if there is anything that will let me specify on the file system with an exported key so i dont actually have the key locally on my computer which is kinda pointless. such as luks using a sepearate partition to store the info in a partition header. |
| 18:01.33 | jelly | probably doesn't stand for Jesuit Volunteer Corps |
| 18:01.37 | simonrvn | and maybe get upstream to not be so distro-specific, or at least add some checks for various distros. |
| 18:01.40 | erstazi | jelly: negative |
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| 18:01.57 | simonrvn | or do that yourself |
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| 18:02.25 | simonrvn | i doubt the jesuits have volunteers |
| 18:02.31 | erstazi | simonrvn: this isn't my project, I am just looking for the equivalent of /etc/rc.status and my preliminary tests say invoke-rc.d <script> status will not do it. |
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| 18:02.39 | Argafal | levid: why is it pointless? that's what the passphrase is for..... |
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| 18:02.55 | levid | yes but i was thinking something like alladin |
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| 18:03.09 | levid | where i could export the key to say an encrypted flash drive |
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| 18:03.49 | levid | then there lies no ability on the disk its self to decrypt the drive without the key |
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| 18:04.46 | xoz | erstazi: update-rc.d? |
| 18:04.51 | erstazi | xoz: did that |
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| 18:05.08 | Argafal | levid: so what is the additional security? to be sure you lose all data if you're flashdrive breaks (which they do)? |
| 18:05.30 | erstazi | the sick thing is, most rpm-based distros use this /etc/rc.status and some people in that community think it is part of the LSB standard, which it is *not* |
| 18:05.37 | jelly | erstazi: so, what does rc.status actually do, and can you emulate that output using a wrapper around some other command, that is the question |
| 18:05.47 | simonrvn | erstazi: that's sad |
| 18:05.49 | Argafal | levid: i did something like that the other way round, having the key on my encrypted system for some encrypted flash-drives. but the other way round doesn't seem to make sense to me. get a proper passphrase....... |
| 18:05.50 | jelly | erstazi: RHEL 5 doesn't have it |
| 18:05.59 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 18:06.00 | erstazi | jelly: go figure, they probably wised up |
| 18:06.15 | erstazi | either way, I am about to just say "piss on it" and tell the dev he needs to straighten his shit up |
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| 18:06.23 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:08.19 | xoz | erstazi: http://linuxreviews.org/man/rc-status/ |
| 18:08.26 | xoz | i think you can emulate that |
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| 18:10.32 | jelly | quite easily, it seems, just needs examples of output format and exit codes |
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| 18:13.48 | xoz | erstazi: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=67760 |
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| 18:13.57 | xoz | for some way to do it. |
| 18:15.06 | erstazi | already doing something, it is calling deleting all the crap and committing it (: |
| 18:15.07 | karsten | Mutt/lenny: I keep getting huge numbers (10,000 - 1 million) of spurious messages using LDAP connection to Exchange. Known issue / fix? |
| 18:16.35 | jelly | karsten: in any particular folder? |
| 18:16.48 | jelly | wait, ldap |
| 18:17.04 | karsten | jelly: Yah. |
| 18:17.18 | jelly | karsten: how does mutt use ldap anyway |
| 18:17.34 | jelly | did you mean imap! |
| 18:17.56 | karsten | Doh! IMAP. Thanks.jelly: Yes |
| 18:18.05 | karsten | erm. Lag, sorry. |
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| 18:18.16 | karsten | I just tagged my dupe messages: Purge 10639 deleted messages? ([yes]/no): |
| 18:18.29 | jelly | karsten: can "don't browse that folder" apply |
| 18:18.39 | simonrvn | jelly: separate script sometimes |
| 18:18.41 | karsten | jelly: Heh. |
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| 18:19.18 | karsten | I kinda sorta need to read that mail, and mutt suits me better than KMail (which also seems to choke periodically -- I have to kill the KDE back-end socket program every so often). |
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| 18:19.34 | jelly | and thunderstruck? |
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| 18:20.40 | jelly | karsten: I've only occasionally used mutt with our Exchange 2007, and it seemed to work |
| 18:20.48 | karsten | jLongMedium-term fix is going to be setting up my local MTA to fetch this stuff itself (or through a helper app), possibly running a local LDAP instance so both mutt and KDE can talk to it. |
| 18:20.56 | jelly | imap. |
| 18:21.08 | karsten | jelly: thnuderstruck? Me? You mean thunderbird? |
| 18:21.18 | karsten | I keep doing that. |
| 18:21.18 | jelly | yes. |
| 18:21.23 | karsten | Yes, local IMAP server. |
| 18:21.39 | jelly | pings karsten off the grid |
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| 18:23.37 | jelly | runs away |
| 18:25.05 | xoz | wonders where in the world is carmen san diego... |
| 18:25.34 | karsten | xoz: $HOME. |
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| 18:25.51 | xoz | :) |
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| 18:29.53 | _claytones_ | hello all |
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| 18:30.08 | _claytones_ | someone make a debian mirror using ftpsync? |
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| 18:30.38 | abrotman | you? |
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| 18:35.14 | eddy | Hi guys |
| 18:35.14 | karsten | jelly: Anyhow... that folder (via, checking, IMAP) actually has 213 messages in it. It gets a bunch of stuff dumped by cron, so there are frequent (and occasionally large) updates. |
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| 18:35.39 | eddy | mixed OpSystems question for you. |
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| 18:36.03 | wols | we only mix sid and squeeze, nothing else |
| 18:36.14 | Ikarus | sid.... |
| 18:36.16 | Ikarus | *shudder* |
| 18:36.32 | Ikarus | ofcourse when paying attention sid is no problem |
| 18:36.33 | eddy | how could I mirror a Centos repository in a Debian server so one of my clients who uses centos in their servers can use it. |
| 18:36.43 | eddy | Using Lenny |
| 18:36.44 | wols | Ikarus: walk on the wild side |
| 18:36.52 | Ikarus | wols: yup :) |
| 18:37.04 | Ikarus | wols: although it has been ages since an apt-get upgrade hosed my system |
| 18:37.08 | karsten | eddy: That's probably more a CentOS question. |
| 18:37.12 | Ikarus | I think last time was the PAM bug of 2002 or so |
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| 18:37.36 | eddy | Yeah, but dont know if in order to do that installing a Centos server is mandatory. |
| 18:37.39 | karsten | eddy: Follow their rules for building/updating a repo. If you need to run a CentOS instance to do that, a chroot install under Debian might work. |
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| 18:38.04 | karsten | eddy: And that is a CentOS question, not a Debian one ;-) |
| 18:38.04 | eddy | :),thanks a lot. |
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| 18:38.30 | eddy | Sorry,see you , and thanks a lot again.I'm going to follow the tutorial |
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| 18:38.47 | peterS | Ikarus: wow you got hit by the pam nobody can log in bug? you're old school! I managed to miss it, I think because I saw a clamor about it before I bothered to upgrade my sid box.... |
| 18:39.33 | Ikarus | heheehe :) |
| 18:39.41 | Ikarus | peterS: only on one box luckily |
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| 18:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | eddy: Take a look at most of the international mirrors, they host CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Mandriva, etc. It doesn't really matter which flavor of OS is running the system. |
| 18:40.13 | jhutchins_lt | eddy: CentOS might have some tools for indexing the repository that are distributed as RPM's, but you should be able to adapt them to Debian. |
| 18:40.45 | jhutchins_lt | eddy: Things like FTP and HTTP don't care what OS they're running on, or what brand of files they're serving. |
| 18:40.46 | peterS | well, note the software required to generate a repository and the software required to rsync a mirror are probably different sets (: |
| 18:41.23 | eddy | so I could rsync the repo from debian and publish it via http,?. |
| 18:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | eddy: No reason why not, do read the mirror policies for when and how to sync. |
| 18:41.59 | Bushmills | eddy: well, that's how mirrors essentially work |
| 18:42.29 | peterS | eddy: if it's anything like how debian mirrors work, sure. in debian land, there are scripts that basically wrap a bunch of rsync calls. in particular they try to rsync the files and indexes in the correct order, so as to keep the mirror reasonably consistent (i.e., indexes don't refer to files that haven't arrived yet, and old files aren't deleted until the indexes have been updated) |
| 18:42.52 | levid | Argafal: I certainly understand, i wasnt saying i would only keep the key on the flash drive, i do understand their falability, i am just curious if anyone has done this, and also if anyone has an idea of any software out there that will let you specify your encryption on the FS and the key length etc... and then let me export the key and not keep it on the system, storing it on a usb drive that i can plug in and get the key off of (of course kee |
| 18:43.09 | peterS | rsync is wondrous, wondrous software, an enabler for all sorts of mirroring strategies |
| 18:43.24 | Bop | what does STA means , in driver ? |
| 18:43.48 | simonrvn | it sure is |
| 18:43.57 | peterS | *twitch* store accumulator? well, in 6502.... |
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| 18:45.46 | jordanm | Bop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_(computer_networking) |
| 18:46.04 | levid | it would be a fairly complex setup i imagine, so i am just wondering if anyone has done it before so i can get some tips on my way :) |
| 18:46.06 | simonrvn | peterS: :) |
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| 18:48.03 | eddy | what I'm worried about rsync is that I've heard that it mirrors the entire repo , but in debmirror as an example one can filter and get only the arch,packages that I need |
| 18:48.08 | wols | Bop: a mobile station |
| 18:48.16 | wols | aka your wlan chip/card |
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| 18:48.18 | simonrvn | eddy: --exclude e.g. |
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| 18:48.27 | simonrvn | takes a file too |
| 18:48.30 | Bop | wols, i mean S.T.A. , what it means |
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| 18:48.45 | jordanm | simonrvn: not exactly, --exclude-from takes a file :) |
| 18:48.53 | Argafal | levid: yeah, as i said, i did that before (pre luks). i also think i remember that the manpage was very helpful in that respect. |
| 18:48.57 | wols | Bop: any relevance to debian? if not, I suggest "#networking" |
| 18:49.16 | simonrvn | jordanm: i thought i might have made an error, thanks. |
| 18:50.00 | jimcooncat | eddy, if you have a permanent internet connection, why not cache your packages with squid? |
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| 18:50.35 | jordanm | Bop: I linked you to the answer, atleast it appears |
| 18:50.36 | teliti | Hi. What command do I need to see the status of my battery? |
| 18:50.47 | jm | acpi -b |
| 18:50.50 | teliti | thx |
| 18:51.16 | Bop | jordanm, it not says , but ok |
| 18:51.41 | jordanm | Bop: "In IEEE 802.11 (Wi-Fi) terminology, a station (STA)". so it appears to mean "station" |
| 18:51.46 | eddy | jimcooncat: I server countrywide clients (Power Generation industry), and they access internet through my connection, I just want to save bandwith. |
| 18:52.34 | wols | eddy: nothing like apt-proxy in centos? |
| 18:52.45 | jimcooncat | eddy, I've seen howtos to cache with squid, for both debian packages and windows updates. Should be able to do centos if you get updates over http |
| 18:52.46 | teliti | jm: in what packaet is acpi included? |
| 18:52.55 | valdyn | levid: theres plenty information about this on google. It's widely supported, its just not the default in debian |
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| 18:53.41 | levid | Argafal: yeah im reading that right now, i am thinking loop-aes instead potentially since it lets you specify encryption level in the function call, only up to aes256 but thats ok i suppose :D it would have a bit of a performance hit but i am not really as concerned with performance on the files i am encrypting so no biggie. |
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| 18:54.03 | eddy | jimcooncat:OK, could you pass me the urls ?. |
| 18:54.17 | levid | valdyn: yep i have and continue doing my research, just thought i'd bring it up here to see if anyone had any tips or what not |
| 18:54.56 | levid | like dont use this one it sucks, or this one is great or i know of a project off the grid thats got some awesome i/o improvements for enc file systems |
| 18:55.00 | valdyn | levid: im using loop aes. There's no general tips i know worth sharing really |
| 18:55.07 | valdyn | levid: its simple |
| 18:55.22 | levid | arr yep it appears thats the case, kinda dissapointing really :D |
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| 18:57.35 | valdyn | levid: dissapointed that crypto is easy? |
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| 19:01.27 | Kurin | What's the recommended way to get python 2.6 on lenny? |
| 19:01.41 | karsten | Kurin: snake handlers. |
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| 19:02.01 | karsten | !tell Kurin about backports |
| 19:02.07 | Kurin | it's not in backports |
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| 19:03.17 | karsten | Kurin: Well, your general options are: current distro. backport. Pin to sid/experimental/testing (not advised), or source / upstream install. |
| 19:03.21 | karsten | Kurin: Your call. |
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| 19:03.42 | karsten | Kurin: I'd be looking at a /usr/local or /opt install from upstream at this point. |
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| 19:03.54 | Kurin | yeah |
| 19:04.01 | karsten | Kurin: Or reassess sstaying with stable. |
| 19:04.05 | levid | valdyn: not that its easy i was hoping for options :D like export key stuff like that, i'll have to find something that lets me export the key so its not stored locally. |
| 19:04.21 | Kurin | My boss gets really antsy when I talk about moving to squeeze |
| 19:04.43 | karsten | Kurin: Problem with major scripting languages is that there are a *lot* of system dependencies, so backports / pinning is probably not going to have the desired effect. |
| 19:04.52 | charliems | hi i am needing to compile old glibc-2.3.6 - nice of you guys to keep it going with patchess (to etch?) :) |
| 19:04.55 | karsten | Kurin: It only hurts once. |
| 19:04.58 | karsten | k... usually ;-) |
| 19:05.34 | endone | hello, I made a custom kernel to speed up boot time, and build-in all modules needed, and I use bootchart to measure, I see "modprbe" take some time, how can I skip this? bootchart result here: http://tinyurl.com/2bkr8cw |
| 19:05.34 | jimcooncat | eddy: here's a pretty good howto, but you'll have to play with the config to cache only what you want. |
| 19:05.37 | karsten | Kurin: OTOH: having a test/debug/prototyping environment with next-gen release would be something to campaign for. Test things out there, see how it works. |
| 19:05.38 | jimcooncat | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/71 |
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| 19:06.37 | eddy | jimcooncat:thanks |
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| 19:07.54 | charliems | someone give some info on what difference is between glibc_2.3.6.ds1-13.diff.gz annd glibc_2.3.6.ds1-13etch10.diff.gz i'm not a debianaire |
| 19:09.02 | abrotman | charliems: they are different versions of thepackage .. one is a security fix |
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| 19:10.47 | charliems | abrotman: the etch one is the security? so i should apply both with the etch one second? |
| 19:11.04 | abrotman | why are you applying them manually at all ? |
| 19:11.09 | abrotman | and why are you still using etch? |
| 19:11.38 | charliems | i'm not using debian - just the patches :) |
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| 19:12.14 | abrotman | yes .. but you do realize that etch hasn't had security support for a few months right ? |
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| 19:13.43 | charliems | no problem on that - the etch patch is dated 1//24/10 the closest to that is lfs from 2008 |
| 19:13.48 | levid | valdyn: Oh so you can generate the key file and store it seperately using luks: cyptsetup luksDump /mnt/usbstk/ |
| 19:14.12 | abrotman | still thinks this is a problem |
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| 19:14.42 | charliems | abrotman: so do the etch patch second - i'd try it but it takes 30 minutes to test |
| 19:14.57 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 --release etch |
| 19:14.58 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 |
| 19:15.27 | timeoh | can anybody tell me what kernel issues are |
| 19:15.40 | levid | just did it on a vm to test it out and works fine, you cant access any of the encrypted file system without the usb key mounted on /mnt/usbstk..pretty nifty |
| 19:16.12 | levid | there are some interim steps but overall its also fairly straight forward. |
| 19:16.47 | charliems | this is the page i am getting it from http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/glibc/ is what judd posted newer? sorry my only previous debian experience was aa 64 bit patch for wmctrl a long time ago |
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| 19:17.24 | abrotman | timeoh: what? |
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| 19:17.57 | abrotman | charliems: looks like the bot is lying? |
| 19:18.17 | timeoh | abrotman: shell code and kernel issues |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | timeoh: could you be more vague? |
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| 19:18.50 | charliems | so 10 is the newest - thanks |
| 19:19.18 | abrotman | charliems: maybe look at packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 19:19.22 | timeoh | abrotman: no i cant. i have to write a few sites over kernel and shellcode issues |
| 19:19.34 | frostschutz | levid: I'd not store the luks superblock on usb... just the key should suffice |
| 19:19.36 | timeoh | abrotman: but there are no hints in google |
| 19:19.47 | abrotman | timeoh: wtf are you actually trying to do? |
| 19:19.54 | valdyn | homework.. |
| 19:20.02 | timeoh | yeeesss |
| 19:20.04 | abrotman | that was my guess |
| 19:20.08 | Bushmills | timeoh: try "software issues" |
| 19:20.12 | valdyn | !homework |
| 19:20.12 | dpkg | somebody said homework was something you should do yourself. |
| 19:20.46 | valdyn | on top of that his english is bad enough to ask us the wrong things too |
| 19:20.47 | timeoh | yeh yeh "homework" i think i can handle it with help |
| 19:20.55 | abrotman | this is not #homework |
| 19:21.10 | timeoh | yes yes for sure |
| 19:21.33 | charliems | abrotman: from that url -> 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1 could you tell me what the +b1 means? |
| 19:21.44 | abrotman | it's just a package number increment basically |
| 19:21.57 | abrotman | !compare versions |
| 19:21.57 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version, or <version epoch> <debian revision> |
| 19:22.03 | timeoh | but here are good guys with a hugh amout if knwoledge i thought anybody knows something about it |
| 19:22.14 | timeoh | so now i know i have to aks my prof about it |
| 19:22.26 | valdyn | timeoh: your homework is not answering what you asked us |
| 19:22.30 | abrotman | timeoh: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 19:22.33 | valdyn | timeoh: maybe use a dictionary |
| 19:22.39 | valdyn | timeoh: and ask elsewhere |
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| 19:23.22 | timeoh | it is debian related becaus debian uses a kernel |
| 19:23.31 | lindi- | reminds me, can somebody suggest me a good DFSG-free italian-english dictionary? debian *dict* package has only 5000 words |
| 19:23.40 | timeoh | but ok ill google again |
| 19:23.46 | valdyn | timeoh: every operating system uses a kernel |
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| 19:25.00 | timeoh | okok i understand.. it is not the right way to ask in a debian channel |
| 19:25.23 | timeoh | my failure to tell that i have wo write about it |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | there is no right way to ask #debian about your homework |
| 19:25.40 | valdyn | timeoh: your first mistake is that the question makes no sense |
| 19:26.32 | valdyn | timeoh: but that nonsensical question is answered by any dictionary ( thats why it makes no sense ) |
| 19:26.43 | timeoh | yes google told me nothing about kernel issues so i asked #debian and #debian told me that it is frack so i know i have to ask my prof bcaus the question is frack |
| 19:26.45 | fubada | no speaki english |
| 19:27.14 | timeoh | thats all thanks a lot |
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| 19:27.16 | valdyn | fubada: what do you speak then? |
| 19:27.24 | fubada | ruski |
| 19:27.25 | levid | frostschutz: wouldnt storing the superblock remove most any possibility of accessing the data on the fs without the usb key (with backups, its a dd img burned to cd as well) |
| 19:27.27 | valdyn | !ru |
| 19:27.27 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 19:28.24 | frostschutz | levid: not any more or less than a random key would |
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| 19:29.31 | levid | frostschutz: what about the metadata, on the superblock doesnt this store fs info like the amount of files, size, etc..? |
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| 19:30.48 | frostschutz | levid: and if you keep copies, you'd lose the ability to make old keys invalid... if you make copies yourself you just make it easier for someone to obtain a copy |
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| 19:32.12 | levid | frostschutz: yeah that could get to be a hassle :) |
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| 19:34.15 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 19:34.16 | lenswipe | its me again |
| 19:34.22 | lenswipe | the dude with the display issues |
| 19:34.28 | thick_mcrunfast | hey dude |
| 19:34.30 | lenswipe | theyve gone the other way now - everything is tiny |
| 19:34.36 | lenswipe | i struggle to read the text on the screen |
| 19:34.47 | lenswipe | it says its 1280x1024 but im pretty sure its not |
| 19:34.49 | lenswipe | everything is soo tiny |
| 19:34.53 | lenswipe | i can hardly read the text |
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| 19:35.08 | thick_mcrunfast | is your cursor a reasonable size? Also, how do you know it's 1280x1024? |
| 19:35.27 | jordanm | lenswipe: you probably want to adjust your DPI |
| 19:36.02 | lenswipe | jordanm, how do i do that? |
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| 19:37.54 | jordanm | !dpi |
| 19:37.54 | dpkg | i guess dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
| 19:38.04 | MySQL-Q | Hi what is the best format to save IPs in a MySQL table |
| 19:38.09 | MySQL-Q | There will be thousands :P |
| 19:38.27 | jordanm | MySQL-Q: #mysql |
| 19:38.36 | thick_mcrunfast | Question; apt version 0.7.20.2+lenny1 seems to ignore APT::Default-Release "lenny"; in 70debconf. All of my boxes behave this way; I've got sid in my sources list; it also ignores -t lenny, it just wants to install from sid |
| 19:38.41 | jordanm | although, I don't know how else you would store it other than a string... |
| 19:38.48 | valdyn | 4 ints |
| 19:38.53 | thick_mcrunfast | or 1 int |
| 19:38.56 | thick_mcrunfast | bitshifted |
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| 19:39.03 | valdyn | or 2 ints |
| 19:39.06 | valdyn | or whatever |
| 19:39.11 | valdyn | or 4 strings |
| 19:39.13 | thick_mcrunfast | or 16 ints |
| 19:39.18 | thick_mcrunfast | or 2 ints and 2 strings |
| 19:39.33 | MySQL-Q | do i set this when creating the table? |
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| 19:39.44 | charliems | abrotman: not even one hunk out of place :) |
| 19:39.45 | jordanm | thick_mcrunfast: you need to adjust priorities in your preferences file. it is highly recommended that you do not mix lenny and sid |
| 19:39.48 | valdyn | MySQL-Q: this depends on what you need to search this database by |
| 19:40.01 | thick_mcrunfast | jordanm: I usually prefer testing |
| 19:40.02 | valdyn | MySQL-Q: but for only thousands of entries this is probably irrelevant |
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| 19:40.30 | jordanm | thick_mcrunfast: why is that? you like to tinker and fix breakage? |
| 19:40.46 | thick_mcrunfast | jordanm: No, unfortunately certain things I need that are /STILL/ not available in stable. |
| 19:40.56 | thick_mcrunfast | despite the fact that they've been around for years |
| 19:40.57 | jordanm | thick_mcrunfast: such as? |
| 19:41.05 | thick_mcrunfast | deluge 1.x, for one |
| 19:41.19 | MySQL-Q | valdyn: so when creating the table this is set or? |
| 19:41.26 | thick_mcrunfast | I've been thinking of becoming a maintainer just so I can get 1.x in stable |
| 19:41.30 | thick_mcrunfast | but I lack the time |
| 19:41.36 | valdyn | MySQL-Q: or later |
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| 19:42.21 | thick_mcrunfast | jordanm: So, sorry; I need to adjust priorities in my "preferences file"? |
| 19:42.21 | MySQL-Q | valdyn: CREATE TABLE 'data' ( then -> `ip` varchar(15) NOT NULL default '', is what i currently have |
| 19:42.24 | MySQL-Q | changed that? |
| 19:42.30 | valdyn | MySQL-Q: off topic |
| 19:42.35 | jordanm | thick_mcrunfast: man apt_preferences |
| 19:42.38 | thick_mcrunfast | gotcha |
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| 19:44.05 | halmgras | hi, tty1-6 is dead and if i start manually i get some no job control message, any suggestion? |
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| 19:44.48 | halmgras | additionally ps axu does not show getty at all, even when running |
| 19:44.57 | befghh | hello guys, I occasionally deleted the bottom panel, how can I get it back? |
| 19:45.06 | thick_mcrunfast | jordanm: Were the apt preferences changed recently? This was not an issue in etch |
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| 19:46.00 | jordanm | thick_mcrunfast: don't know, I joined the party after lenny was stable |
| 19:46.05 | thick_mcrunfast | gotcha |
| 19:46.28 | jordanm | thick_mcrunfast: I would expect it to be in the Debian.NEWS for apt if it had changed |
| 19:46.43 | yitz_ | I got two installs on two machines; it there a way to dump a package list on one box and use that to remove/install on another box so that the second box will end up with the same packages? |
| 19:46.49 | befghh | hey guys how can I get back the bottom panel in gnome? |
| 19:47.00 | thick_mcrunfast | yitz_: dpkg --get-selections > file.selections |
| 19:47.02 | jordanm | thick_mcrunfast: which it doesn't appear to even have... |
| 19:47.12 | thick_mcrunfast | yitz_: dpkg --set-selections < file.selections |
| 19:47.12 | jordanm | !aptitude clone |
| 19:47.12 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 19:47.24 | yitz_ | Neat. Thanks, guys |
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| 19:48.31 | thick_mcrunfast | jordanm: If I create /etc/apt/preferences it gets sourced |
| 19:48.38 | thick_mcrunfast | so all's well |
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| 19:48.41 | halmgras | any known dpkg-reconfigure for tty1-6? |
| 19:49.07 | thick_mcrunfast | just need to find a happy medium; It looks like apt's default values were all messed with |
| 19:49.36 | jordanm | halmgras: for keyboard input? |
| 19:50.25 | halmgras | jordanm: keyboard input is ok |
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| 19:50.51 | jordanm | halmgras: whats the problem? |
| 19:51.21 | halmgras | jordanm: my tty1-6 is dead, i investigated, checked inittab (fine), checked getty manually (no job control) |
| 19:51.48 | jordanm | halmgras: what is "dead"? its just a black screen? what version of debian? |
| 19:52.37 | halmgras | jordanm: debian sid, dead means black screen, no login prompt |
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| 19:52.58 | jordanm | halmgras: have you checked the bts? |
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| 19:54.07 | halmgras | jordanm: yeah i did, but bts for util-linux, which contains agetty, and sysvinit for inittab is very crowded and nothing similar found |
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| 19:55.07 | doublehp | sda1 contains a valib boot sector and has the boot flag; how do i remove the one in SDA so that the BIOS stops trying to run it, and run sda1 instead ? |
| 19:55.22 | jordanm | halmgras: sure your still using sysvinit? I thought there was a transition to dependency based booting with insserv? |
| 19:55.41 | jordanm | you're |
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| 19:57.17 | halmgras | jordanm: indeed, nice hint :P i check this, thanks for taking the time |
| 19:57.53 | jordanm | halmgras: np |
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| 19:58.26 | wols | doublehp: apt-cache show mbr |
| 19:59.46 | doublehp | i am not running debian (not yet) |
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| 20:02.25 | Julia_ | Hey People! Whats a good way to create a 10 gig file? The content of the file doesnt matter. |
| 20:03.08 | yitz_ | dd if=/dev/zero of=./myfile bs=1M count=10240 |
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| 20:03.36 | Julia_ | yitz_: that will transfer 10gig of data, right? Is it necessary to do so? |
| 20:03.45 | Julia_ | Becaus its on a very slow remote drive. |
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| 20:04.12 | yitz_ | I don't know any other way to do it |
| 20:04.30 | yitz_ | I don't think you can arbitrarily declare a file to be a certain size from userland |
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| 20:04.43 | fluorine | Julia_: can you execute the command remotely? |
| 20:04.50 | Julia_ | fluorine: no |
| 20:05.06 | Julia_ | yitz_: ok. then i will do it the hard way. |
| 20:05.08 | amphi | Julia_: I think you can do it much faster with the seek dd command |
| 20:05.40 | Julia_ | amphi: i never used that. how does it work? |
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| 20:06.04 | yitz_ | dd if=/dev/zero of=./myfile bs=1M seek=10239 count=1 |
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| 20:06.24 | yitz_ | Sounds interesting; I wonder if it'd work |
| 20:06.28 | fluorine | it doesn't? |
| 20:06.33 | fluorine | it doesn't* |
| 20:07.08 | amphi | works here |
| 20:07.21 | fluorine | what did you invoke? |
| 20:07.33 | Julia_ | Just tried.. 1MB takes me 16 seconds. So 1G will take me 16000 seconds. Thats... hm... about 3 hours :( |
| 20:07.54 | yitz_ | Works here. Pretty cool |
| 20:07.59 | Devastator | 10gb 30 hours :D |
| 20:08.00 | yitz_ | Thanks, amphi |
| 20:08.01 | Julia_ | and 10G will take me 30 hours.. damn. |
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| 20:08.03 | amphi | fluorine: I just pasted yitz_'s command line; ls shewed a 10GB file |
| 20:08.11 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/ERsUWT3p how is it possible head outputs non null stuff ??? |
| 20:08.16 | Julia_ | tries yitzzis line |
| 20:08.48 | fluorine | so argument order matters... |
| 20:09.04 | doublehp | found |
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| 20:09.13 | fluorine | it failed on me when i invoked "if=... of=... bs= count= seek=" |
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| 20:09.33 | Julia_ | created a 10G file here too. nice. |
| 20:10.48 | amphi | Julia_: dd if=/dev/zero of=./myfile bs=1M seek=10240 count=0 also works, FWIW |
| 20:10.48 | Julia_ | yitz_: you saved me 30 hours of sitting on my butt waiting! |
| 20:10.49 | yitz_ | amphi did that |
| 20:10.54 | yitz_ | I had no idea that that would work like that |
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| 20:11.06 | yitz_ | count=0 looks wrong |
| 20:11.19 | Julia_ | amphi: thank you! |
| 20:11.54 | amphi | Julia_: you're welcome - it's long since I used this |
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| 20:27.38 | tuvwx | what is the best way to do automatic updates (at least those that do not require interactions/debconf) ? |
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| 20:29.02 | Julia_ | tuvwx: why not "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" ? |
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| 20:30.52 | bzed | tuvwx: apt-cache show cron-apt |
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| 20:33.46 | extor | If I format an ext3 partition by mistake then is there a way to recover the partition by hunting for all the spare scattered boot block copies that live on an ext3 partition or would those boot block copies have been overwritten by the new ext3 filesystem's boot blocks placed in the exact same spots? |
| 20:33.51 | jp-- | guys... how can I find out the keycode of the key number one "1"? |
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| 20:34.27 | Julia_ | jp--: what kind of keycode? how do you want to use it? |
| 20:34.48 | will | extor: how did you format? |
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| 20:35.27 | extor | the first time I did a mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb2 and the second time I did an mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb2 |
| 20:35.49 | extor | the second time was when I wiped the freshly copied data out |
| 20:36.18 | frostschutz | extor: can't you just copy it again? |
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| 20:37.15 | extor | frostschutz, I zapped the source |
| 20:37.20 | abhiSri | hello , i want to know , how i can adopt any orphand package |
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| 20:38.34 | abhiSri | hello , i want to know , how i can adopt any orphand package |
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| 20:38.47 | ryanlin | how do i access debian/dir file? |
| 20:38.52 | ryanlin | does this file eeven exist? |
| 20:39.00 | xand | eh? |
| 20:39.06 | frostschutz | extor: I just tried mkfs.ext3 and mkfs.ext4 on an empty partition - backup blocks are stored in the same places for both so I guess you're out of luck there |
| 20:39.10 | ryanlin | "debian/dir" |
| 20:39.12 | ryanlin | anyone? |
| 20:39.13 | xand | abhiSri: no need to repeat |
| 20:39.16 | xand | ryanlin: what is that? |
| 20:39.20 | ryanlin | i have no clue |
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| 20:39.39 | abhiSri | xand, that was just my mistake sorry for that. |
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| 20:39.53 | extor | frostschutz, hrmmm no other trickery possible then? |
| 20:40.02 | xand | ryanlin: context? |
| 20:40.27 | frostschutz | extor: you could try (readonly) mounting it anyway ... |
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| 20:41.12 | extor | its reformatted...will just mount as a blank |
| 20:41.22 | frostschutz | extor: maybe mkfs only prints the backup block offsets without actually writing them so... try the backup blocks anyhow |
| 20:41.34 | frostschutz | extor: otherwise you can photorec but that sucks ... |
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| 20:42.59 | jhutchins_lt | extor: Theoretically, your data is all still there, it's just that there is no longer any way to tell which parts of it go together in a file. |
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| 20:43.44 | jhutchins_lt | extor: Some files have discernable headers and footers, and you can assume that they mark a sequential beginning and end, but you can only assemble the files manually by inspecting the data block by block. |
| 20:44.14 | frostschutz | yeah, that's the only thing you have going for you - if it was a fresh copy of files (and not dd image) there's a good chance it's not even fragmented so you can pull out some stuffs |
| 20:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | extor: There have been utilities that would help you do this - Norton was big on this - but most people have so much data now that it's become impractical. |
| 20:44.37 | jhutchins_lt | extor: There are data recovery services that will attempt to do this for you - expect to PAY. |
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| 20:45.16 | Julia_ | extor: try running testdisk on the partition |
| 20:45.19 | extor | paying is not an option |
| 20:45.28 | extor | testdisk came up with no boot blocks |
| 20:45.51 | jhutchins_lt | extor: Important rule: never run partitioning/formatting programs on your only copy of data. |
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| 20:46.10 | extor | Since I fresh copied all these files over from other, smaller hard drives I think the files themselves should be very unfragmented thankfully |
| 20:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | extor: Not even if you don't mean to touch the device with the data - if you're on a machine that can reach it, make a copy somewhere else first. |
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| 20:47.28 | extor | jhulst, I backup my most important data on DVDs but this was stuff like mp3s, mpgs, virtual machine images, random rare PDFs and other stuff too large to backup elsewhere |
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| 20:48.00 | Julia_ | extor: in short, it was your p0rn disk. |
| 20:48.27 | extor | I can probably skim a few PDFs and mp3 off it successfully but larger files are probly corrupted |
| 20:48.36 | frostschutz | extor: try photorec but you need a disk to store to :P |
| 20:48.41 | jhutchins_lt | extor: Do you still have the smaller disks? |
| 20:48.57 | extor | jhulst, yes I do have the smaller disks indeed |
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| 20:49.12 | frostschutz | so you can just copy it again... problem solved |
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| 20:49.38 | extor | I think I zeroed out most of the smaller disks...will have to run scans on them I guess |
| 20:49.56 | frostschutz | if you zeroed them, there's nothing you can do anymore |
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| 20:50.15 | frostschutz | learn and don't do that again ;D |
| 20:50.44 | frostschutz | although it'd sure be nice if mkfs.ext* warned before actually formatting... |
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| 20:51.41 | extor | and also if it also randomly placed ONE of the root blocks just for situations like this |
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| 20:58.04 | underdev | hi! I've installed debian as a vm to compile a piece of software for the platform. How do i log in as root? |
| 20:59.12 | underdev | when i try to login as root from (gdm?) the graphical login screen, it tells me root can't log in that way. |
| 20:59.29 | \amethyst | underdev: switch to the console (ctrl-alt-f1) and log in there |
| 20:59.29 | jordanm | underdev: log in as a user and use `su` for running commands as root |
| 20:59.38 | \amethyst | underdev: or use su or sudo |
| 20:59.52 | underdev | gotcha. |
| 20:59.53 | underdev | ty |
| 21:00.05 | fubada | cntrl-alt-f1 and cntrl-alt-del |
| 21:00.53 | alema0 | underdev, log as normal user and open a terminal.. so.. use sudo su to gain root privileges |
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| 21:05.31 | Julia_ | Is there a way to kill a running mkfs.ext3? kill -9 doesnt do anything. |
| 21:05.45 | fubada | killall -9 init |
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| 21:06.37 | jordanm | fubada: if you really thought that to be a valid solution, you should warn the user of what else is going to happen... |
| 21:06.56 | fubada | oh, my bad |
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| 21:07.49 | fubada | they dead now |
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| 21:08.55 | dtcrshr | hello everyone, my sistem says i got only 1.1gb free for tmp files, but i got plenty of space on my disk. where can be any ghost files arround that should i check? |
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| 21:09.35 | jordanm | dtcrshr: what does df -h look like? |
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| 21:10.13 | dtcrshr | hmm /dev/sda1 6,5G 5,0G 1,2G 81% / |
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| 21:10.23 | dtcrshr | sorry |
| 21:10.25 | jordanm | !paste |
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| 21:10.31 | dtcrshr | wrong paste.. ahuaheu |
| 21:10.36 | fubada | dtcrshr, killall -9 init |
| 21:10.47 | dtcrshr | i cant fubada its a file server |
| 21:10.48 | dtcrshr | maybe later |
| 21:10.51 | fubada | k |
| 21:11.04 | fubada | killall -9 init and go grab a cold beer |
| 21:11.21 | dtcrshr | would be good. 4 hours more at work |
| 21:11.26 | dtcrshr | no drinking at work |
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| 21:16.30 | tuvwx | can i use one 'package' resource to install multiple packages? |
| 21:17.18 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: yes, it's called a metapackage. |
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| 21:24.24 | unkmar | I have downgraded from lenny to squeeze. |
| 21:24.44 | azeem | unkmar: lenny to squeeze is an upgrade |
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| 21:24.57 | unkmar | azeem: not with the performance problems I have seen. |
| 21:25.01 | abrotman | fubada: please don't tell people to do that. |
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| 21:26.55 | unkmar | I have a GeForce2 Go. I do not know what to do. My attempts at getting nvidia drivers has been a failure. |
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| 21:27.22 | unkmar | I started the so called upgrade last night and it has been one problem after another. |
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| 21:28.18 | mattgirv | unkmar: The nvidia proprietary drivers only support the 6800 and upwards I believe. |
| 21:28.49 | unkmar | so I should through the laptop in the garbage? |
| 21:29.11 | unkmar | turn it into a server or firewall? |
| 21:29.40 | raphi_ | unkmar, not sure if the 'nouveau' driver supports it.. |
| 21:30.00 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: It is almost certain that you can get decent 2D performance using open-source drivers on it, even if you have to run it at a VESA resolution with the generic driver. |
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| 21:30.05 | jordanm | unkmar: i would expect it to be supported by nv |
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| 21:30.33 | unkmar | jordanm: it is, and the perfomance is not even reasonable. |
| 21:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | If you'd care to post your chipset (and debian release) we might be able to help you. Have you tried following a guide? Which one? |
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| 21:30.59 | unkmar | !paste |
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| 21:31.56 | raphi_ | unkmar, how do you 'measure' the performance? |
| 21:32.23 | unkmar | click on a window and it doesn't become active for 2 or 3 seconds. |
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| 21:32.46 | unkmar | raphi_: that is what I call unacceptable performance. |
| 21:33.09 | unkmar | !version |
| 21:33.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 21:33.31 | mattgirv | unkmar: You may want to check the nvidia site as they do offer legacy drivers, though I don't believe they are actually in the Debian repos. |
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| 21:34.00 | raphi_ | unkmar, which driver/resolution? |
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| 21:34.15 | unkmar | raphi_: 1600x1200 |
| 21:35.01 | raphi_ | unkmar, driver? |
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| 21:35.35 | unkmar | raphi_: I don't know. Last I knew, it was set to: nv |
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| 21:35.52 | unkmar | raphi_: worked pretty good under Lenny. |
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| 21:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | raphi_: "worked"? |
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| 21:37.18 | raphi_ | unkmar, checkout http://linux.die.net/man/4/nv and play with the 'configuration details' in the xorg.conf. |
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| 21:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: What do you mean it worked pretty good under lenny? What are you running now? |
| 21:43.33 | unkmar | squeeze |
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| 21:44.30 | helo | i want to write my code on my unstable workstation, but deploy on lenny... i have lenny running in a VM to deploy to, but when compiling on my workstation the library versions linked to aren't the same |
| 21:44.53 | helo | is there a better solution than making a deploy script to deploy the _code_ to the lenny testing VM, and compile it natively after a successful local compile? |
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| 21:49.05 | azeem | helo: use a lenny chroot |
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| 21:51.25 | jhutchins_lt | azeem: Aren't there some packages that help you set up a chroot tree for building against different versions/architectures? |
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| 21:52.52 | azeem | sure |
| 21:53.04 | azeem | !pbuilder |
| 21:53.04 | dpkg | methinks pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
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| 21:54.49 | helo | i'm not going to be building any packages, just compiling Qt code |
| 21:54.58 | helo | qt 3.x ;) |
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| 21:57.38 | azeem | helo: just look at debootstrap then |
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| 22:00.11 | ikonia | cizarr: a.) why do you want the latest version of bind - what is in it that's not in the debian package b.) why are you doing this when yo udon't know what you are doing ? |
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| 22:01.04 | ikonia | cizarr: doing blindly "./configure make make install" is crazy and you shoulnd't be compiling software such as bind if that is your approach |
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| 22:01.52 | helo | ikonia: it's not really that crazy... what are you concerned about? |
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| 22:02.11 | cizarr | ikonia, why is that? why are the default is so "dangerous" ? |
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| 22:02.12 | ikonia | helo: if you just do ./configure blindly you don't know what options are being enable/disabled or the locations |
| 22:02.24 | ikonia | cizarr: have you looked at what the defaults are ? |
| 22:02.30 | mattgirv | helo: It's pretty poor from an administrative perspective though, in terms of tracking and rolling back changes should problems occur |
| 22:02.30 | FarSight | ok i know this has nothing to do with Debian! |
| 22:02.42 | FarSight | but does any one know of a good Business ISP around New York, NY |
| 22:02.46 | cizarr | ikonia, /usr/local/sbin and /etc/bind9 |
| 22:02.49 | themill | what the installdir is constitutes even more of a problem |
| 22:02.53 | FarSight | anyone... :) |
| 22:03.04 | ikonia | cizarr: the fact that you're asking "where are the configiles for the software I've just compiled" shows how dangerous not knowing the options are |
| 22:03.11 | helo | well yeah... if this is being built for a critical machine, there is a whole host of steps that should be taken |
| 22:03.13 | themill | FarSight: #defocus, ##linux, ... not here. |
| 22:03.24 | FarSight | ok thanks |
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| 22:03.37 | cizarr | ikonia, thought defaults conf files stored in etc.. am i wrong? |
| 22:03.40 | helo | if he is installing this on his home server, the defaults are probably fine |
| 22:03.48 | ikonia | cizarr: it changes for each package |
| 22:04.04 | ikonia | cizarr: that's why you are meant to read and understand the packae you're building |
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| 22:04.12 | ikonia | cizarr: plus you've not explained what's in the version you build that's not in the debian vesion |
| 22:04.49 | cizarr | ikonia, latest 9.7 ... seems ./configure --sysconfdir=/etc is doing the job |
| 22:05.03 | azeem | cizarr: what about latest 9.7? |
| 22:05.09 | ikonia | cizarr: what's in the latest that's not in the debian package |
| 22:05.16 | themill | !versionsmite cizarr |
| 22:05.16 | dpkg | upgrades cizarr to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>) |
| 22:05.19 | ikonia | cizarr: I told you sysconfdir was the varible you need |
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| 22:05.37 | cizarr | the bind installed on vps remote server |
| 22:05.43 | cizarr | dont version me :P |
| 22:05.56 | azeem | cizarr: are you saying you operate a DNS server on the internet? |
| 22:06.04 | ikonia | I don't know how the install target has any relecence |
| 22:06.13 | ikonia | cizarr: I'll ask again "what is in the version you build that is not in the debian package" |
| 22:06.26 | cizarr | azeem, just a personal web server |
| 22:06.36 | azeem | what do you need bind for then |
| 22:06.45 | azeem | and especially bind-9.7 |
| 22:06.46 | cizarr | srry ikonia, BIND 9.7.0-P1 |
| 22:06.48 | ikonia | that's a better question |
| 22:07.03 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.04 | ikonia | cizarr: you keep saying a version - but not answering the question |
| 22:07.05 | Bushmills | maybe pre-9.7 binds didn't support A records :) |
| 22:07.08 | ikonia | cizarr: what is in the version you built that is not in the vesion in the debian repo |
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| 22:07.33 | cizarr | azeem, i have personal remote server and i want associate my domains into it |
| 22:07.42 | azeem | cizarr: 00:06 < azeem> and especially bind-9.7 |
| 22:07.52 | ikonia | cizarr: what is in the version you built that is not in the vesion in the debian repo |
| 22:08.00 | azeem | cizarr: is that remote server running Debian stable? |
| 22:08.18 | themill | notes that bind9 version 9.7 is in backports.org in any case for those who absolutely need the version number |
| 22:08.29 | cizarr | azeem, on default after upgrade, it says 9.2 |
| 22:08.38 | azeem | cizarr: and...? |
| 22:08.53 | cizarr | the answer is for ikonia sry |
| 22:09.03 | cizarr | azeem, yep |
| 22:09.04 | ikonia | this is crazy, running a DNS server on the public internet with no idea what your doing |
| 22:09.07 | ikonia | cizarr: that doesn't answer my question |
| 22:09.17 | azeem | themill: OMG |
| 22:09.21 | cizarr | ikonia, seems i didnt understand your question |
| 22:09.22 | ikonia | cizarr: what is the difference in the version you have built and the version in the debian repos - what feature/functionality do you need that is not in the debian package |
| 22:09.38 | azeem | cizarr: please tell us your ISP so we can tell them to take you off the internet |
| 22:09.44 | Bushmills | maybe it is because of the estetical value the 7 has over a 2 ? |
| 22:09.57 | helo | let the poor guy play around... he'll learn from his mistakes :) |
| 22:09.57 | cizarr | ikonia, dont offend, i thought latest builds are more secure |
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| 22:10.05 | ikonia | cizarr: no - they are not |
| 22:10.07 | azeem | cizarr: only if they are built by experts |
| 22:10.10 | azeem | not by you |
| 22:10.16 | cizarr | :) |
| 22:10.18 | cizarr | i see |
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| 22:10.31 | ikonia | cizarr: again ./configure make make install without any understanding is crazy, to do so on a server on the internet is suiside |
| 22:10.34 | ikonia | suicide |
| 22:10.43 | helo | cizarr: you should just use the packaged version, though :) |
| 22:10.54 | cizarr | got it :D |
| 22:11.12 | Bushmills | though he said "virtual server" which limits the amount of damage |
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| 22:11.16 | cizarr | thanks for all the help and sorry for my eng |
| 22:11.30 | azeem | cizarr: the guy uploading bind has been doing so for 8 years |
| 22:11.38 | Juliana_ | Hey People! Is it possible to see how much traffic is flowing through a network interface? |
| 22:11.42 | azeem | please assume he knows better what is secure than oyu |
| 22:11.43 | azeem | you* |
| 22:11.47 | Bushmills | Juliana_: yes, it is |
| 22:12.08 | cizarr | ok azeem, using deb package |
| 22:12.13 | azeem | cizarr: great! |
| 22:12.24 | cizarr | ty all again |
| 22:12.37 | azeem | cizarr: you know Debian gets warnings about security issues in bind *before* the rest of the world |
| 22:13.00 | azeem | so running bind by debian is always *more* secure than running your own, even if you monitor all security sites yourself constantly |
| 22:13.02 | helo | debian gets warnings first? |
| 22:13.18 | cizarr | not RH or something ? |
| 22:13.32 | helo | rest of the world is large :) |
| 22:13.33 | azeem | cizarr: RH isn't "the rest of the world" |
| 22:13.51 | Ikarus | the ISC folk indeed contact distros first before releasing details |
| 22:13.57 | Juliana_ | Bushmills: I read that these kinds of answers "excuse me, do you know the time? yes" are a predictor for autism. |
| 22:14.03 | azeem | there's coordinated embargoed security advisories on vendor-sec |
| 22:14.07 | cizarr | well.. good to know that |
| 22:14.18 | azeem | Juliana_: hah |
| 22:14.53 | Bushmills | Juliana_: strange, i was told that unability to ask complete questions was |
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| 22:15.14 | cizarr | is it possible to chroot bind with a deb package? |
| 22:15.19 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 22:15.28 | Ikarus | Juliana_: they are also fun to just mess with people :) |
| 22:15.38 | azeem | cizarr: I believe so |
| 22:16.01 | HardDisk_WP | i try to build some code (which I can't post here) which uses PAGE_SIZE from asm/page.h |
| 22:16.03 | cizarr | azeem, and you think it is critical to chroot your bind server or? |
| 22:16.17 | HardDisk_WP | but asm/page.h isnt present here |
| 22:16.23 | azeem | cizarr: I don't run DNS servers on the internet; but it sounds like a good thing to me |
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| 22:17.06 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: it's in the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package, but it's not intended to be used from userspace |
| 22:17.11 | helo | is there a shorthand way of switching to a chroot and executing a command in it, passing the return value back out of the chroot? |
| 22:17.24 | azeem | helo: don't think so |
| 22:17.27 | helo | chrootmake && deploy |
| 22:17.56 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, i am on some virtual server with custom kernel, dont have linux-headers-2.6.22.19 |
| 22:18.22 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: you need the headers from your kernel, if you want the value to reflect the page size in your kernel |
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| 22:19.57 | tpocra | Running lvdisplay or pvdisplay or vgdisplay freezes my terminal prompt |
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| 22:20.08 | tpocra | I need to log in again and even then cannot kill the process |
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| 22:20.43 | helo | ehh, i guess my building window can always be in the chroot... just need to share files from outside the chroot to the inside |
| 22:21.04 | azeem | helo: it's trivial to share files from the outsid |
| 22:21.05 | azeem | e |
| 22:21.11 | azeem | pretty tricky from the inside |
| 22:21.40 | themill | helo: that's what bind-mounts are for... |
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| 22:25.20 | helo | yes... this works *perfectly* :D |
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| 22:27.49 | helo | is it safe to bind mount /dev and /proc inside a convenience (not security critical) chroot? |
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| 22:28.08 | frostschutz | tpocra: bad disk? |
| 22:28.22 | frostschutz | helo: you can just mount proc directly, you can bind dev, sure |
| 22:28.33 | tpocra | frostschutz: I doubt it, the LVMs are on /dev/md1 so they are redundantly mirrored using RAID-1 |
| 22:29.07 | themill | helo: depends what you mean by "safe". It's standard to do that when building packages, yes. (see the pbuilder or cowbuilder packages) |
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| 22:29.45 | themill | helo: just make sure you've undone all the bind-mounts before you delete the chroot... |
| 22:29.50 | frostschutz | tpocra: lvm may scan all available devices though, other disks in the system? does dd if=/dev/device of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1 hang too? |
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| 22:31.23 | frostschutz | tpocra: also with lvm on top of raid 1 it may be a good idea to tell lvm to use the md devices only and not touch the sdx... but usually when processes hang like that, there's something wrong with a device somewhere (I/O hanging forever) |
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| 22:37.40 | unkmar | raphi_: that page was pretty useless for me. |
| 22:38.12 | raphi_ | unkmar, what did you do? |
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| 22:38.49 | unkmar | look at the options and not see anything of use. It defaults to have accellration on. |
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| 22:39.57 | raphi_ | unkmar, maybe it's failing back because of something, so try to force it, or try the nouveau driver |
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| 22:44.01 | raphi_ | unkmar, and maybe check the logs if there are any issues.. gotta go.. |
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| 22:47.43 | abhiSri | hello , i want to know , how i can adopt any orphand package |
| 22:48.33 | Bravewolf | why grub2 in blockfile configuration is considered unreliable? |
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| 22:49.13 | Bravewolf | I'm use to put grub on partition bootsector and not in the MBR |
| 22:49.24 | themill | abhiSri: you need to know something about packaging: /msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg policy. Also, http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/index.html#howto-o |
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| 22:51.10 | abhiSri | themill, i am learning about packaging and working on a package too, but at the same time looking forward to adopt a package too ? |
| 22:51.53 | themill | abhiSri: sounds like an excellent plan. When you're ready to show your work to others and receive feedback, /msg dpkg mentors |
| 22:52.28 | abhiSri | themill, thanxs |
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| 23:15.12 | f00bar80 | i have my debian lenny stopping after i entered my credentials at GDM, i tried dist-upgrade always no way, is there anyway to reinstall a net install ? |
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| 23:16.45 | mattgirv | f00bar80: Stopping? What do you mean? |
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| 23:17.27 | f00bar80 | mattgirv, desktop doesn't load |
| 23:17.38 | mattgirv | f00bar80: Got any logs? What happens, does it boot you out of X? |
| 23:17.47 | f00bar80 | mattgirv, a blank screen with cursor only |
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| 23:18.48 | lindi- | f00bar80: ps axuf? |
| 23:19.03 | f00bar80 | mattgirv, i've shown the logs here before and they've told me to reinstall, i'm asking if there's a way to reinstall a net install ? |
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| 23:19.45 | oreo | There's a small bug in the puppet package that prevents a rather important functionality from being used. The fix takes *one character*. Is there a way to make the team patch the stable branch? |
| 23:20.31 | lindi- | f00bar80: "< abrotman> f00bar80: stop mixing versions of debian .. and oyu're clearly not ready to be running sid"? |
| 23:20.41 | lindi- | f00bar80: you are running sid? |
| 23:21.16 | akitada | is it just me that videos on youtube aren't played on iceweasel? |
| 23:21.16 | jordanm | oreo: you need to make a request to the maintainer that he changes the status of the bug to release critical for lenny. then the fix will go into propossed-updates and then hopefully the next point release |
| 23:21.34 | f00bar80 | lindi-, lenny |
| 23:21.50 | mattgirv | f00bar80: What did you mean by dist-update not working? |
| 23:21.50 | oreo | ok thanks jordanm |
| 23:21.52 | akitada | slideshare slide seems work, too. |
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| 23:22.01 | lindi- | akitada: youtube-dl + mplayer is the most reliable DFSG-free way to play youtube unfortunately |
| 23:22.19 | mattgirv | *dist-upgrade |
| 23:22.24 | jordanm | oreo: I am currently trying to convince a maintainer release-critical status of a bug myself... |
| 23:22.24 | f00bar80 | mattgirv, didn't fix the issue of "desktop not loading" |
| 23:22.35 | lindi- | f00bar80: really, so this is a different issue than in the past? |
| 23:22.48 | oreo | jordanm: having a hard time? |
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| 23:22.53 | mattgirv | f00bar80: Sure it didn't. But I mean, what were you attempting to dist-upgrade to? |
| 23:23.12 | akitada | lindi-: is there any workaround for slideshare? |
| 23:23.14 | f00bar80 | replace any broken package |
| 23:23.25 | lindi- | akitada: what's slideshare? |
| 23:23.33 | jordanm | oreo: I wrote and submitted the patch. I haven't heard from him in a week now. He is not a DD or DM, his package was uploaded via a sponsership so that makes it more difficult |
| 23:23.33 | oreo | jordanm: per http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506305, the maintainer fixed it in testing |
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| 23:24.04 | oreo | so i don't know if it's worth telling him to propose a critical |
| 23:24.07 | akitada | lindi-: can you see this with your iceweasel? http://www.slideshare.net/gnunify/how-to-build-debian-packages |
| 23:24.14 | f00bar80 | mattgirv, replace any broken package |
| 23:24.28 | jordanm | oreo: look at what I did/am doing with #572728 |
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| 23:28.20 | Guest79174 | hi, who do I report debian package issues to ? the maintainer? |
| 23:28.27 | Guest79174 | solr-jetty is messed up |
| 23:28.30 | jordanm | !bts |
| 23:28.30 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:28.38 | jordanm | ,versions solr-jetty |
| 23:28.39 | judd | solr-jetty -- sid: 1.4.0+ds1-2; squeeze: 1.4.0+ds1-2 |
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| 23:28.57 | Absolute0 | Does debian stable come with a module for rtl8187 wifi adapters? |
| 23:29.06 | Vasistha | !rtl8187 |
| 23:29.07 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g WLAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B (as of Linux 2.6.27) chipsets. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of RTL8187SE, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192se>. |
| 23:29.11 | Absolute0 | I tried booting into the netinstall and rtl8187 was not found with modrpobe |
| 23:29.11 | jordanm | Absolute0: requires firmware iirc |
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| 23:29.19 | Absolute0 | and there is no iwconfig either |
| 23:29.33 | Vasistha | Absolute0: ooh, looks like it wasn't mainlined until 2.6.27, and stable has 2.6.26 |
| 23:29.38 | jordanm | Absolute0: you need to install wireless-tools (or su to root) |
| 23:29.56 | jordanm | !tell Absolute0 about bpo |
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| 23:30.02 | Vasistha | I used to have one of those, it was awful. Looks like they must have brought it along to a point of general usability, good news. |
| 23:30.08 | jordanm | Absolute0: you can install the .32 kernel from backports |
| 23:30.09 | lindi- | akitada: is slideshare free software? |
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| 23:30.22 | f00bar80 | so no one answere me , is there a way to reinstall a net install ? |
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| 23:30.32 | lindi- | akitada: just says "We have detected that you do not have it on your computer." but i'm not sure if it's possible for me to check why it detects that |
| 23:30.33 | Absolute0 | I can install things in a booted debian install cd? |
| 23:30.41 | Vasistha | f00bar80: what do you mean "reinstall"? You can just start over... |
| 23:31.06 | jordanm | Absolute0: are you talking about debian live? the livecd? |
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| 23:31.38 | Vasistha | Absolute0: if you have a netinst cd, you can use that to install a base system without any internet connection at all. |
| 23:31.49 | lindi- | akitada: if (jQuery.browser.msie && ((jQuery.browser.version * 1) < 7)) { |
| 23:31.57 | lindi- | akitada: seems to be checking for internet explorer |
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| 23:32.39 | Guest79174 | http://bugs.debian.org/solr-jetty doesn't work |
| 23:32.50 | Guest79174 | it times out |
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| 23:33.21 | jordanm | Guest79174: works for me, you will be the first to file a bug against that package |
| 23:33.27 | Vasistha | Guest79174: works for me, too. |
| 23:33.28 | lindi- | Guest79174: works from one address, fails from another |
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| 23:33.39 | jordanm | Guest79174: the website is not how you file the bugs however. I recommend using `reportbug` |
| 23:33.40 | Guest79174 | ok works now |
| 23:34.00 | Absolute0 | Vasistha: and then i am stuck i guess, no internet connection to get my backports or rtl8187 modules |
| 23:34.10 | Guest79174 | what happens is that some class files are not getting included / compiled correctly, so some of the features of solr are going sideways |
| 23:34.24 | akitada | let's hope gnash will work with them both in a near future. |
| 23:34.25 | Vasistha | Absolute0: well yeah, you will need to either find a wired connection or transfer stuff by usb stick or something |
| 23:34.51 | Absolute0 | Vasistha: does wireless_tools have any deps? |
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| 23:35.04 | Vasistha | Absolute0: hmm, I can check |
| 23:35.21 | Vasistha | Absolute0: libc6, libiw29 |
| 23:35.32 | Absolute0 | can i get the rtl8187 module without using backports? |
| 23:35.52 | Vasistha | Absolute0: certainly. I used to do that. Had to compile it, but that was fine. |
| 23:36.26 | Absolute0 | oh so you compiled the kernel yourself? |
| 23:36.45 | Absolute0 | eh nevermind |
| 23:36.48 | Absolute0 | just the module i assume |
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| 23:36.54 | Vasistha | yes |
| 23:37.31 | tpocra | My debian squeeze install is freezing at startup at step staring sshd |
| 23:37.48 | tpocra | Ctrl+C and various other key combinations do not do anything |
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| 23:37.53 | doublehp | tpocra: first time booting ? |
| 23:37.58 | Vasistha | tpocra: have you given it a good 5 minutes? |
| 23:38.00 | Absolute0 | Vasistha: did you get the driver from realtek or some open-source source? |
| 23:38.09 | doublehp | tpocra: does it answer ping (start it before boot ) |
| 23:38.13 | Vasistha | Absolute0: not from realtek. There was an open source project. |
| 23:38.41 | Absolute0 | http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Download ? |
| 23:38.42 | tpocra | doubleclick: It does answer poing |
| 23:38.42 | doublehp | tpocra: sshd may fail if network problems, or misconfigured host name / domainname |
| 23:38.45 | tpocra | The IP address works |
| 23:38.49 | Vasistha | Absolute0: see the wiwki article referenced in the factoid ... yeah, that's it. |
| 23:38.50 | tpocra | As well as the domain name |
| 23:38.59 | tpocra | Vasistha: I have given it maybe 3-4 mointes |
| 23:39.17 | doublehp | tpocra: if ping keeps ok after 1mn "freese", wait 5mn, untill you get a timeout. |
| 23:39.21 | Vasistha | Absolute0: I used to use the rtl8180-sa2400 and then when it forked I migrated over to rtl-wifi, and then not long after that I got a new computer and haven't dealt with it since |
| 23:39.27 | Guest79174 | how do I tell what version etc i am using in a bug? |
| 23:39.40 | Vasistha | Guest79174: dpkg -l packagename |
| 23:39.41 | Absolute0 | shit, no build-essential either :( |
| 23:39.58 | doublehp | tpocra: if nothing after 10mn, try the single mode, and desactivate the service: cd /etc/rc2.d ; mn S20sshd K20sshd |
| 23:40.01 | Guest79174 | no for the os |
| 23:40.05 | Guest79174 | i know that |
| 23:40.06 | Absolute0 | does desktop-debian install build-essentials? |
| 23:40.09 | doublehp | it may not be sshd, but an other service just after or before |
| 23:40.18 | Vasistha | Guest79174: /etc/issue |
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| 23:40.40 | Vasistha | Guest79174: or ... I guess /etc/debian_version is better |
| 23:40.46 | Guest79174 | thanks |
| 23:40.52 | doublehp | Guest79174: version of what ? |
| 23:41.16 | Guest79174 | ok in the sample bug it, lists I am using Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, kernel 2.2.17-pre-patch-13 |
| 23:41.17 | Guest79174 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.31 | Guest79174 | how do I get the kernel etc., |
| 23:41.44 | Vasistha | Absolute0: I don't think so. It might be worth your while to install from CD 1 instead of the netinst |
| 23:41.45 | tpocra | doubleclick: So this is odd, I can actually SSH into it |
| 23:41.48 | Guest79174 | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 23:41.57 | tpocra | I do not get a login prompt on the physical temrinal however |
| 23:42.02 | Absolute0 | Vasistha: thats what i am doing |
| 23:42.12 | Vasistha | Guest79174: it looks as if you are using an *ancient* version of debian |
| 23:42.27 | Guest79174 | no I am not ..that is in the sample bug dude |
| 23:42.35 | Guest79174 | ^^^^^ |
| 23:42.39 | Vasistha | Guest79174: oh, oh -- I see. sorry :) |
| 23:42.53 | Vasistha | Guest79174: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 23:42.59 | Vasistha | Guest79174: and uname -r |
| 23:43.00 | azeem | Guest79174: just use reportbug |
| 23:43.01 | Absolute0 | does cd1 have build-essential? |
| 23:43.20 | Vasistha | Absolute0: I don't know offhand for sure, but I'd be willing to bet $5 that it does :-) |
| 23:43.25 | Guest79174 | ok |
| 23:44.34 | Guest79174 | thanks everyone! |
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