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| 00:00.45 | hedos | AimHere: Because I'm not sure what you mean. I'm typing accents in windows using the french keyboard layout in windows. |
| 00:00.57 | hedos | cmyers: good idea |
| 00:01.03 | AimHere | Ah right. |
| 00:01.33 | AimHere | Sorry used to Anglo Saxon keyboards where there are no accents so we have to juggle with compose keys or, worse, alt+number pad numbers |
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| 00:02.40 | xyan | shouldn't echo -E ignore carriage returns even though i can't see it? http://pastebin.ca/1593380 |
| 00:04.26 | nevyn | umm isn't it -n |
| 00:04.43 | themill | xyan: echo -E stops \r becoming a carriage return but it doesn't change a carriage return into a literal "\r". Perhaps pipe your output into "od" to see what you've actually got. |
| 00:04.53 | AimHere | hedos, do you do most of your Linuxing in X? |
| 00:05.28 | hedos | AimHere: No, almost exclusively through Putty+SSH. |
| 00:05.40 | xyan | themill: the file is dos encoded so no wonder |
| 00:05.50 | hedos | Accents used to work fine via putty/ssh when I was on Slackware, before switching to Debian. |
| 00:06.34 | themill | xyan: yay... have fun with that... |
| 00:06.37 | AimHere | So do you know if the accents work at all in Debian when you're not going through ssh? |
| 00:07.07 | pandrew | hey! could you guys direct me to a simple (possibly command-line) tool that will forward a single tcp connection to a HTTP proxy server with the CONNECT method? |
| 00:07.18 | hedos | AimHere: Yes, they do work. |
| 00:07.22 | xyan | themill: hehe, sed solves that but its one more pipe i'd like to avoid |
| 00:07.36 | hedos | AimHere: Also, I just noticed. I can see accents just fine. I just can't input them! |
| 00:07.53 | AimHere | Okay hedos. Do they work in console mode, as well as X? |
| 00:08.19 | hedos | AimHere: Hum, this I can't tell at the moment. |
| 00:08.35 | hedos | AimHere: I only have access to the machine remotely for the moment. |
| 00:09.16 | AimHere | What I think might be happening is that X is set up fine, but that the console's default keymap isn't. |
| 00:09.43 | AimHere | It's something I'll have to fix on the machine I'm on right now. |
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| 00:10.31 | hedos | AimHere. I just found a partial solution by luck. By typing export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8, I am now able to type accents within emacs (although not outside of emacs). |
| 00:10.38 | hedos | Good enough for the moment... |
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| 00:12.09 | hedos | AimHere: thanks for the help |
| 00:12.26 | cmyers | hedos: Yeh, I thought it might involve the env varible voodoo =( |
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| 00:12.52 | AimHere | It's a poor fix though |
| 00:13.12 | cmyers | I think those things get set correctly if you dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:13.35 | cmyers | dunoo if it fixes the system-wide default login scripts or what. |
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| 00:14.24 | AimHere | I'm not so sure. |
| 00:14.52 | AimHere | I've been grepping my keymap file and there's nary a sign of a compose key or any way of getting fancy foreign accents at all |
| 00:15.29 | AimHere | Actually, could it be that he's using a french keyboard with uk/us locales? |
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| 00:26.53 | Sergio` | AimHere: maybe dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, having it installed before, I'm not sure. |
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| 00:27.13 | adb | console-data |
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| 00:29.18 | iluminator101 | Hey after i reinstalled i havent been able to get my wireless going |
| 00:29.36 | iluminator101 | i have ndiswrapper and b43, ndiswrapper -l |
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| 00:29.43 | iluminator101 | bcmwl5 : driver installed |
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| 00:30.01 | Zuwer | Hi, I know this might not be the right place to ask, but is there anyway to get a driver for Radeon Xpress 200m, I've searched but haven't found anything for it. |
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| 00:30.41 | Anal_Pandemonium | Hi, quick question, which is the latest version of the linux kernel being developed' |
| 00:30.42 | iluminator101 | here is my dmesg |
| 00:30.45 | iluminator101 | http://debian.pastebin.com/d47a2ff23 |
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| 00:34.12 | adb | judd, kernels |
| 00:34.14 | judd | adb: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 00:38.11 | Xmas | hey is the dvd or iso better to install or blue ray one on db 5.03 |
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| 00:38.39 | abrotman | Xmas: if you have broadband, use the 160MB netinst |
| 00:38.57 | Xmas | was going touse vmware |
| 00:39.00 | Xmas | to install it |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | same answer still applies |
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| 00:40.23 | Xmas | thx i never tryed a network install |
| 00:40.45 | jpinx | I want to install all the spanish language packages for OOo - is there an easier way than grepping the search and manually installing? |
| 00:40.45 | Xmas | had to choose between gentoo freebsd open bsd and debain |
| 00:40.48 | Xmas | so im try using debain |
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| 00:41.07 | jpinx | Xmas: that was an easy choice ;) |
| 00:41.35 | abrotman | jpinx: apt-cache search openoffice spanish ? |
| 00:41.38 | Xmas | hehe why you say that jpionx hehe |
| 00:41.40 | Xmas | jpinx hehe |
| 00:41.49 | Xmas | heard debain real secure and read about it to |
| 00:41.57 | jpinx | abrotman: and install each one by hand? |
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| 00:42.20 | jpinx | thre's lots :/ |
| 00:42.35 | adb | Xmas, see debain it is spelling "debian" |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | jpinx: there is one? |
| 00:42.48 | medjai | Anyone here have a google wave account? |
| 00:43.26 | jpinx | abrotman: I do a search grepped with "es" and there are a lot |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | jpinx: on my system the command i gave only gives two results |
| 00:43.46 | jpinx | grepping with "spanish" gives zero :/ |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | medjai: relating to debian how? |
| 00:44.24 | medjai | not at all |
| 00:44.26 | medjai | just curious |
| 00:44.26 | Xmas | hmm seem snice instaling |
| 00:44.27 | Xmas | debain |
| 00:44.31 | Xmas | debian |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | medjai: then ask somewhere else |
| 00:44.35 | Xmas | hehe sorry cant spell err |
| 00:44.44 | medjai | point me to a general chat channel |
| 00:44.51 | medjai | thought so |
| 00:44.55 | medjai | shut your mouth kid |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | medjai: try #defocus |
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| 00:45.17 | abrotman | medjai: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic and abusive |
| 00:45.32 | Xmas | encypted lvm and use lvm whats that |
| 00:45.35 | Xmas | for secruity |
| 00:45.46 | jpinx | abrotman: tks - I didn't realise there is so much difference between aptitude search openoffice and apt-cache search |
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| 00:46.42 | rgr | jpinx: now try and find a consensus on aptitude v apt-get. Mix and match the two and your system can get royally screwed up unfortunately. I tend to stick to command line aptitude now. |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | Xmas: If it's just for evaluation, you probably don't want to bother with it |
| 00:46.48 | jpinx | installs spanish in hopefully one step :) |
| 00:46.52 | Xmas | no im going to use it as main |
| 00:46.54 | Xmas | system |
| 00:46.58 | abrotman | in a VM ? |
| 00:47.03 | Xmas | for secruity and stuff like that research |
| 00:47.04 | Xmas | hehe o |
| 00:47.13 | Xmas | true yahah haha |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | !tell Xmas about lvm |
| 00:47.54 | Xmas | ill worry about that later |
| 00:47.57 | Rezagrats | Are there any advantages in using EXT3 over ext2 |
| 00:47.58 | Rezagrats | ? |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | Rezagrats: yes, journaling filesystem |
| 00:48.22 | Rezagrats | Uhh... so none ? |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | journaling is a pretty big advantage |
| 00:48.44 | cmyers | Rezagrats: if you love having power interruptions corrupt your data, then you are completely right. |
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| 00:49.13 | Rezagrats | Then i should use ext3 ? |
| 00:49.19 | yuri12 | yes |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | Rezagrats: unless you know better, yes |
| 00:49.52 | yuri12 | There are almost no reaons to use ext2 over ext3, maybe for SSD drives or something |
| 00:50.15 | jpinx | rgr: I *was* using cl aptitude search - it was not as useful as apt-cache search |
| 00:51.11 | Rezagrats | What'd be a suggested size for / ? |
| 00:51.23 | abrotman | depends which other filesystems you'll have |
| 00:51.24 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:51.25 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 00:52.14 | rgr | I just got my first udev rules working for plugging in my phone. Pity the docs weren't a bit more explanatory about the need to set up X before calling a GUI program in the script called by the udev process. I thought I was going made for a while :-; But now it works, truly excellent. |
| 00:52.21 | jpinx | Rezagrats: if you don't include /home the base system with X and the usual suspects for a desktop will fit into 2 Gbs |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | jpinx: FWIW .. aptitude search "~dopenoffice ~dspanish" |
| 00:52.45 | Rezagrats | Imma be (attempting) to run a home web server. |
| 00:53.03 | jpinx | Rezagrats: no X ? |
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| 00:53.30 | Rezagrats | Yes. i'm a failure at CLI commands. :x |
| 00:53.43 | jpinx | abrotman: I'll need to improve my aptitude-fu ;) |
| 00:53.46 | Rezagrats | Er, well... "yes, there will be an X" |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | jpinx: perhaps |
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| 00:56.46 | jpinx | ok - so the listed (both) pkgs are installed , but OOo is still coming up in English. How to make it use the Spanish I've just installed?a |
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| 00:57.17 | jpinx | is that a pr-user thing? |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | jpinx: probably set $LANG |
| 00:57.37 | Xmas | i shoulda used a differnt mirro instead ofusa |
| 00:57.53 | Xmas | usally eu is fastter err it saying scanning mirror |
| 00:57.55 | Xmas | taking long time |
| 00:58.25 | abrotman | Xmas: there is a mirror at berkley |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | !tell Xmas about mirrors |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | and i think one at usc |
| 00:58.45 | Xmas | yeah i didnt choose that one |
| 00:58.51 | Xmas | i just put usa |
| 00:58.51 | Xmas | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.02 | Xmas | and its taking so long to scan the mirror |
| 00:59.07 | Xmas | in vmare what is |
| 00:59.44 | Xmas | not sure how long it takes configuring apt |
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| 01:02.03 | abrotman | depends on your bandwidth and the speed of the machine |
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| 01:02.46 | Rezagrats | Who writes the installation guides?! |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | monkeys? |
| 01:03.59 | linuxguy | lol @ abrotman |
| 01:04.21 | Rezagrats | I really hate it when people get "than" and "then" mixed up. -_- |
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| 01:04.38 | abrotman | Rezagrats: is that like when people use "imma" ? |
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| 01:05.26 | Rezagrats | Well... no... that's slang. "then" and "than" is actual grammar. ("imma" is actually a slur) |
| 01:05.29 | linuxguy | abrotman, if ive got the right person I think u told me how to edit my xorg.conf file so i can get a 1280x1024 resolution? |
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| 01:06.17 | abrotman | linuxguy: probably wasn't me .. but you add a section to your config, or try using "X -configure" and see what it gives you .. use it as a reference |
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| 01:07.10 | jpinx | ok / installed the spanish language packages, added a line to that users .profile saying $LANG=es . logged the user out and back in, but OOo still comes up in English. What am I missing? |
| 01:07.42 | abrotman | jpinx: "es" probably isn't the right string |
| 01:08.32 | jpinx | Hmmm - where will I find a list of the strings |
| 01:08.36 | linuxguy | abrotman, i think you helped with xeon-enouf a few days ago.........im not sure reason im asking is that i triedd lenny witha better card than the ati one i was ssuing and it was pure awful, so now i have upto date leenny with ati card |
| 01:09.07 | linuxguy | jpinx, i think its esp for spanish |
| 01:09.26 | jmarsden | jpinx: locale -a |
| 01:09.59 | jmarsden | jpinx: BTW I think it is usualy to not manually edit .profile, but instead to log in as a spanish session from your gdm screen... |
| 01:10.22 | jmarsden | This avoids the need to know what the exact locale string is :) |
| 01:10.29 | jpinx | jmarsden: ok , tks, I'll try that |
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| 01:12.32 | Rezagrats | Swap is primary, right ? |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | jpinx: grep es /etc/locale.gen | egrep -v "^#" .. find the one you've generated |
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| 01:15.24 | linuxguy | oh can someone pls tell me what the caht app resembles msn called quasell or something thanks |
| 01:16.10 | jpinx | heh - gdm showed me that it is es_ES |
| 01:16.22 | jmarsden | linuxguy: quassel |
| 01:17.11 | linuxguy | jmarsden, thanks.......i think its quite ok |
| 01:17.45 | jpinx | all good - thanks guys - just hope I can still ssh in to an english shell |
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| 01:22.44 | jpinx | I'm getting a wierd error when I try to revert to tty7 with Ctrl-Alt 7. I comes up with something ^[[D repeated / any ideas what's up? |
| 01:24.31 | Xmas | none of these mirros worked i ttrry |
| 01:24.31 | Xmas | i tryed 3 of them err |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | Xmas: maybe you're having a more general network issue ? |
| 01:24.48 | jpinx | even more wierd - Ctrl-Alt-F11 takes me to tty7 :/ |
| 01:24.52 | Xmas | no network is fine |
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| 01:34.41 | Brune | hey is fushi in the debian repos or is it just my apt-cache search finding it? |
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| 01:36.42 | Maarten- | okay I am missing something here. I installed proftpd, everything seems to be working (I can ftp to local host from my ssh shell) but I can't ftp to that box from another machine in the local network. Perhaps port 21 is closed, but nmap -v shows it is open. What am I missing here? |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | Brune: don't see it, but you could file an RFP |
| 01:37.54 | hesco | I need to satisfy a sendmail dependency for a remote unattended install. even with the --yes option on, apt-get --yes install postfix wants to stop the script and ask me a bunch of questions, even if I am not there. How might I overcome this short of learning expect? |
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| 01:41.10 | jpinx-eeepc | [CI'm getting a error when I try to ssh into a box on my nat - http://pastebin.com/dfaef52a - can anyone help me resolve it |
| 01:42.50 | jpinx-eeepc | it seems that something has changed the RSA host key - How do I get it right again please? |
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| 01:45.16 | Tramp | jpinx-eeepc: well, you can remove the 7th line of your known_hosts - or investigate what really happens. |
| 01:45.29 | Tramp | happened |
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| 01:47.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Tramp: ok - that was too easy - I'm ssh'd in again - thanks. How do I find out what actually caused the problem? |
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| 01:49.08 | Tramp | jpinx-eeepc: unless you reinstalled openssh-server on that box, my guess would be changed IPs. |
| 01:49.32 | jpinx-eeepc | well - yes - the router does that sometimes |
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| 01:49.48 | twb | My laptop roams between sites. At once site, there are two DNS servers, and DHCPd supplies both. One of them is chronically fucked. How can I tell dhcpc3 "if you see this particular DNS server, replace it with this one"? |
| 01:50.08 | twb | I can't simply tell dhcpc3 to ALWAYS use a particular DNS server, because for other sites that DNS server won't exist. |
| 01:50.13 | Tramp | jpinx-eeepc: or, what the message said, someone is doing something nasty. |
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| 01:51.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Tramp: all good thanks - it's behind a router/firewall and wifi connections are by MAC address only, so it's almost certainly just the IP change |
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| 01:52.04 | twb | jpinx-eeepc: if you ssh to the IP instead of the hostname, does it still complain about MITM? |
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| 01:52.26 | jpinx-eeepc | twb - yes i was ssh-ing to the IP |
| 01:52.30 | Tramp | jpinx-eeepc: well, but this then implies you're not connected to the 1.37 you were before |
| 01:53.47 | Xmas | yeha net instal is jacked o well |
| 01:54.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Tramp: I have connected all kinds of laptops in the interim, so that IP will almost certainly have been re-used |
| 01:54.02 | twb | jpinx-eeepc: huh. |
| 01:54.17 | twb | jpinx-eeepc: oh, I see. If you have two hosts with the same IP (on different networks), you will get a spurious MITM |
| 01:54.21 | Tramp | ah well, ok then. |
| 01:54.30 | Xmas | damn net install dont work for me |
| 01:54.38 | twb | Xmas: what failed? |
| 01:54.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Xmas: which part didn't work? |
| 01:54.57 | Xmas | finding the |
| 01:55.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Tramp: yea - thanks for the comfort ;) |
| 01:55.01 | Xmas | mirror im using al of them |
| 01:55.11 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:55.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Xmas: where are you? |
| 01:55.40 | jpinx-eeepc | forgets the package that detects the best mirror to use.... |
| 01:55.42 | Xmas | us |
| 01:55.42 | Xmas | a |
| 01:56.05 | twb | jpinx-eeepc: apt-spy is one |
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| 01:56.26 | jpinx-eeepc | xmas what error are you getting? |
| 01:56.44 | Xmas | err not finding it |
| 01:56.54 | jpinx-eeepc | twb - yes but it's prior to an install - I can't remember how to do that. |
| 01:56.54 | Xmas | got to find another one or something idk im doing it again |
| 01:58.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Xmas: I'm not sure what you're doing here - trying to download the installer or what? |
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| 01:58.58 | twb | Xmas: your contractions are making you hard to understand. |
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| 02:00.33 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm still not sure what Xmas is trying to do - get the installer or start the netinstall |
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| 02:04.41 | Xmas | configure package magnager |
| 02:04.52 | Xmas | scanning mirro |
| 02:05.47 | twb | jpinx-eeepc: I think Xmas is inside d-i, and has picked a mirror that doesn't resolve or doesn't respond. |
| 02:06.13 | twb | This is probably because of some underlying network problem, e.g. not specifying a proxy, rather than because the mirror itself is borked. |
| 02:06.30 | jpinx | ah - ok - but I thought the installer was clever enough to find a good mirror |
| 02:06.49 | twb | The last time I looked, d-i required you to specify a mirror. |
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| 02:07.25 | twb | You could say "I am in Argentina" and it would pick a hard-coded default near to Argentina (physically), but that isn't closely correlated to "good". |
| 02:07.37 | jpinx-eeepc | I haven't used the netinstall for a long time.... |
| 02:07.38 | Xmas | configure the package manager |
| 02:07.44 | Xmas | bad archive mirror |
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| 02:08.36 | jpinx-eeepc | I believe the USA mirrors rotate and it's mighty hard to know what you're actually connected to |
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| 02:09.36 | Xmas | bad archieve mirror the specifed debain archive mirror is eithe rnot availbile or does not have a vailid release file on it please try differnt mirror |
| 02:09.45 | Xmas | debian guni/linux |
| 02:09.47 | Xmas | gnu |
| 02:10.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Xmas: go back a step in the install and try a different mirror - like it says? ;) |
| 02:10.41 | Xmas | i did 5 o fthem |
| 02:10.45 | Xmas | of them already |
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| 02:11.05 | fchurca | Hey a quick nooby question |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | so ask |
| 02:11.51 | Xmas | im trying berkerly now |
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| 02:12.16 | fchurca | I need to get the last part working directory; example: from /home/username/dir/, I only want the "dir" part. How can I get it? pwd shows the full path, which I don't need |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | fchurca: awk ? |
| 02:13.12 | Tramp | man basename? |
| 02:13.19 | fchurca | I don't know how to use awk yet :( Could you show me how? |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | basename does the filename ? |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | fchurca: pwd | awk -F/ '{print $NF}' |
| 02:13.38 | abrotman | or ask #bash for maybe a better idea |
| 02:13.46 | abrotman | Tramp: dirname you meant? |
| 02:14.08 | fchurca | That did it :D thanks! |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | Tramp: i guess if you give 'basename /usr/dir/foo/' it returns foo ? |
| 02:14.15 | Tramp | he said he only wants the "dir" part of /home/username/dir/ |
| 02:14.24 | Tramp | maybe his example was badly chosen |
| 02:14.52 | Tramp | abrotman: yes. That would have been "dir" in his example |
| 02:15.10 | Xmas | i really want this to work |
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| 02:15.17 | abrotman | he'd have to give a better usage sample .. he could do something like 'basename $(pwd)' also i supose |
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| 02:16.12 | Tramp | Mangling file- and dirnames with parameter expansion: http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/pe#substring_removal |
| 02:16.18 | fchurca | the awk snipped did what i intended, don't smash your brains over it :P |
| 02:16.22 | Tramp | that's what #bash would answer |
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| 02:16.55 | fchurca | another example: /foo/bar/ the snippet returns bar, what i need |
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| 02:17.24 | Tramp | and that's at the little cost of just firing up awk |
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| 02:18.08 | linuxguy | Does anyone know if xaraxtreme drawing app is in a debian repo pls |
| 02:18.27 | fchurca | I only needed to name an archive, calling awk won't hurt :P |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | linuxguy: packages.debian.org/xara |
| 02:18.38 | fchurca | the full script would be: |
| 02:18.45 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks again :) |
| 02:18.47 | fchurca | tar -czf `pwd | awk -F/ '{print $NF}'`.`date +%Y%m%d%H%M`.tar.gz `ls -1 | grep -v .tar.gz | grep -v .zip` |
| 02:18.49 | Tramp | nono, we don't want to see ! |
| 02:18.51 | Tramp | too late |
| 02:18.58 | boxxertrumps | hmmm, i think i'm just going to write a script to sync my mp3 player with my favorites list |
| 02:18.59 | fchurca | sorry |
| 02:19.03 | Xmas | damn |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | watches greycat die |
| 02:19.09 | Xmas | scanning and mirros and shit |
| 02:19.10 | Xmas | still doing it |
| 02:19.14 | Tramp | son't show that on #bash. You'll get shot |
| 02:19.16 | Tramp | don't |
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| 02:19.29 | boxxertrumps | mourns greycat |
| 02:19.53 | Tramp | he's seen so many examples, this won't hurt him a bit |
| 02:19.59 | twb | fchurca: what. the. fuck. |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | fchurca: you'll probably get better help/advice in #bash |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | you might get a larting too :) |
| 02:20.25 | linuxguy | abrotman, says www.packages.debian.org/xara page not found here |
| 02:20.39 | fchurca | i've been helped, won't bother any more! |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | linuxguy: http://packages.debian.org/xara |
| 02:21.03 | fchurca | thank you guys! cya! |
| 02:21.55 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks got there now |
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| 02:26.16 | Xmas | says agaibn |
| 02:26.18 | Xmas | please selecte a mirir |
| 02:26.54 | Xmas | this sucks doing this gnu linux install |
| 02:26.55 | Xmas | err |
| 02:27.06 | Xmas | maybe live cd is better |
| 02:27.11 | Xmas | err fuck this net shit dont work out for me |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | Xmas: it takes awhile .. be patient |
| 02:27.39 | Xmas | i did |
| 02:27.43 | Xmas | 7 now |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | Xmas: if you have like 1Mbps DSL, it might take 30 minutes |
| 02:27.44 | Xmas | and dont work |
| 02:27.48 | Xmas | yes |
| 02:27.51 | Xmas | i know not working |
| 02:27.53 | Xmas | on al miiros |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:27.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 02:29.22 | Sergio` | !ortography |
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| 02:30.39 | Sergio` | It seems I need a corrector myself. |
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| 02:32.28 | Xmas | so idk |
| 02:32.31 | Xmas | how should i install this |
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| 02:33.22 | abrotman | Xmas: please don't msg me .. talk in the channel |
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| 02:37.13 | simonrvn | orthography ;) |
| 02:37.29 | Xmas | yah idk what to do |
| 02:37.30 | Xmas | abrot |
| 02:37.35 | Sergio` | I know, checked the dictionary. :) |
| 02:37.50 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 02:38.02 | Xmas | oh well shit ont seem to work |
| 02:38.03 | Xmas | idk |
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| 02:40.56 | linuxguy | abrotman, i have xara now but i am very unsure of how to install it properly so that it will appear in the graphics menu |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | linuxguy: never used it .. |
| 02:41.20 | abrotman | linuxguy: did you install the debian package? |
| 02:41.54 | abrotman | linuxguy: it should end up in your menus somewhere |
| 02:42.22 | linuxguy | abrotman, yes its a .deb file....i just saved it fron the site.......im more used to using synaptic or something that uses sh to install the app |
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| 02:43.32 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: version xara |
| 02:43.32 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | judd: versions xarax |
| 02:43.39 | judd | abrotman: xarax -- |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | judd: versions xaralx |
| 02:43.47 | judd | abrotman: xaralx -- sid/non-free: 0.7r1785-2 |
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| 02:44.42 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions xara |
| 02:44.42 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: xara -- |
| 02:44.47 | linuxguy | abrotman, ive done it now installed it with kpackage did not see that |
| 02:45.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmm - aptitude search gives me 2 pkgs |
| 02:45.23 | Xmas | ahh screw it not working |
| 02:45.25 | Xmas | ill do this later |
| 02:45.28 | Xmas | thx guys |
| 02:46.12 | adb | info xaralx |
| 02:46.13 | linuxguy | jpinx-eeepc, they are not the vector drawing package like coreldraw |
| 02:46.45 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy: true |
| 02:47.41 | nevyn | linuxguy: try inkscape.. |
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| 02:49.24 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy: iirc you can use aptitude to resolve any dependency issues even after a dpkg -i installation |
| 02:49.26 | linuxguy | nevyn, i have that installed from synaptic |
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| 03:33.50 | hesco | I need to satisfy a sendmail dependency for a remote unattended install. even with the --yes option on, apt-get --yes install postfix wants to stop the script and ask me a bunch of questions, even if I am not there. How might I overcome this short of learning expect? |
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| 03:36.25 | dondelelcaro | hesco: DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive"; man 7 debconf |
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| 04:02.52 | linuxguy | Does anyone know of a debian based distro where i can eassily get aa 1280x11024 resolution? |
| 04:03.09 | linuxguy | >>oops 1280x1024 resolution |
| 04:03.28 | dondelelcaro | linuxguy: you can do that in Debian if you want |
| 04:04.59 | linuxguy | dondelelcaro, i know ive done it a while ago but ive spent days in here assking and gotten nowwhere........everythng looks ugly.....my card and monitor will support that res.....im using a nvidia 9500gt 1gb card |
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| 04:05.54 | twb | linuxguy: are you in X? |
| 04:06.12 | bviktor | it should work just as much as on an other distro imho |
| 04:06.50 | linuxguy | twb, sorry what do you mean? |
| 04:07.05 | twb | linuxguy: when you look at the screen, are there little pictures, or just text? |
| 04:07.05 | bviktor | but you can try live cds to see if it's better |
| 04:07.16 | deface | linuxguy: read the nvidia guide ? |
| 04:07.39 | twb | linuxguy: is Debian already installed? |
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| 04:08.26 | linuxguy | twb, yes debian is installed......im using lenny......everything works fine even compiz........but i have horribe res |
| 04:08.56 | twb | linuxguy: OK, open up a terminal emulator. Run "xrandr" and pastebin the output. |
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| 04:09.32 | linuxguy | deface, it seems i need some mode lines to force the res I want a few months ago I was given a script and everything worked briliantly |
| 04:09.45 | linuxguy | twb, one sec |
| 04:10.11 | deface | linuxguy: nah, no need for a script, or force |
| 04:10.24 | deface | correct drivers will work |
| 04:11.26 | linuxguy | twb, here it is http://pastebin.com/m444bc25 |
| 04:12.06 | linuxguy | deface, i am using correct drivers oh and its not an nvidia card its a 128mb ati 9500 card sorry |
| 04:12.16 | linuxguy | >>9600 |
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| 04:12.33 | twb | linuxguy: OK, the problem is that your LCD does not correctly report its native resolution to the OS. |
| 04:12.33 | deface | "im using a nvidia 9500gt 1gb card" |
| 04:13.09 | twb | linuxguy: you can try "xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024", but I think that will fail. |
| 04:13.21 | umarzuki | hi, is there any opensource email manager software like zimbra which is opensource but have backup interface? |
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| 04:13.49 | deface | update-pciids; lspci | grep VGA |
| 04:14.10 | linuxguy | twb, yes it saaid cannot find mode |
| 04:14.18 | twb | linuxguy: yeah, this is where it gets ugly. |
| 04:14.31 | twb | linuxguy: you need to write a video mode timing, or if you're lucky just edit xorg.conf. |
| 04:15.08 | twb | I have an LCD which doesn't report the right mode for its native 1600x1200 resolution, so this is the hoops I have to jump through: |
| 04:15.08 | twb | xrandr --newmode 1600x1200twb 130.9 1600 1620 1700 1780 1200 1201 1204 1225 +hsync +vsync && xrandr --addmode VGA 1600x1200twb && xrandr --output VGA --below LVDS --mode 1600x1200twb && xrandr --output LVDS --off |
| 04:15.19 | twb | It is probably easier to just try another monitor. |
| 04:15.20 | linuxguy | twb, i know how to edit the xorg.conf file but its where to put the lines and what to put in there |
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| 04:15.36 | twb | linuxguy: oh, OK. |
| 04:16.00 | twb | linuxguy: you need a Screen section, and in there a Display subsection. Within that, you need to add a Modes line. |
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| 04:16.27 | twb | e.g. I have Section "Screen" \n Identifier "Screen" \n Device "Device" \n SubSection "Display" \n Modes "800x480" \n Virtual 1600 1680 \n EndSubSection \n EndSection |
| 04:16.55 | twb | ...which tells Xorg to use 800x480 by default, but allow up to 1600x1680. |
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| 04:17.17 | nas2 | guys any idea how to get rid ofthis error? error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/apache-ssl/*.log |
| 04:17.17 | Hideo | look into the tool cvt also |
| 04:17.21 | twb | You would normally have something like Modes "1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" |
| 04:17.24 | nas2 | why am i getting this error |
| 04:17.33 | linuxguy | twb, yes i know where that is............i was hoping my ubuntu dev mate would be on line id let him do it remotely so i can see and learn what hes done |
| 04:17.51 | nas2 | this is the full error "/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: |
| 04:17.53 | nas2 | error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/apache-ssl/*.log |
| 04:17.55 | nas2 | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1" |
| 04:18.22 | robing | i have a fresh debian lenny lamp setup, and i have a problem when i create a new dir using a php script mkdir("filePath); there permissions are dr-----rwt 2 www-data www-data and i can't chmod them in php only when i am root, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 04:19.19 | marshall | hey guys |
| 04:19.20 | robing | all www is owned and user is www-data |
| 04:19.30 | deface | robing: safe mode ? |
| 04:20.05 | robing | is that on by default in debian? i'll take a look in php.ini |
| 04:20.10 | marshall | i got this error earlier when i tried to /etc/init.d/ssh restart: http://pastebin.com/m1f0589c |
| 04:21.19 | adb | marshall, on debian ? |
| 04:21.32 | marshall | abd: yes, debian etch i believe |
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| 04:21.49 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 04:21.59 | robing | deface: safe_mode = off |
| 04:22.24 | johnfg | how do I shutdown and turn off Network Manager? It doesn't show up in the Services gui. |
| 04:22.24 | marshall | i was able to sftp earlier today, but tonight i kept getting permission denied and 'I/O Error: The subsystem request failed.' |
| 04:22.35 | robing | any other ideas? it must be something really simple that i am doing wrong |
| 04:22.42 | adb | on lenny > cat: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key: No such file or directory |
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| 04:23.02 | deface | marshall: use ssh v2, not 1 |
| 04:23.30 | marshall | my client is saying that its definitely a problem on my end why i was unable to connect |
| 04:23.44 | marshall | im trying to figure out if he's right |
| 04:23.49 | Hideo | wow, there's a services gui? who made debian into windows |
| 04:24.40 | marshall | im able to sftp with filezilla after accepting an untrusted host key |
| 04:24.40 | Hoxzer | Guis are totally awsome as long as they aren't the only choice of configuring something |
| 04:24.51 | johnfg | Hideo: Yup, Administration/Services (but NetworkManager isn't there...so...) |
| 04:24.53 | Hoxzer | Keeping things scriptable is also very important |
| 04:25.47 | johnfg | Hoxzer: I know it can't be the only choice in this instance, because there's another way to turn it on and off. |
| 04:27.02 | marshall | deface, adb: could it be that their authentication expired or something between this morning and this evening? |
| 04:27.10 | johnfg | I know in fedora it would be chkconfig NetworkManager off, but whats that equal in debian lenny? |
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| 04:30.26 | Tramp | marshall: no. as deface noted, it's a version mismatch. If /you/ didn't change anything they did (i.e. did change to a client which only supports v1, which is not configured on your side) |
| 04:30.30 | adb | marshall, i doubt that .. |
| 04:30.36 | catsup | johnfg: type dpkg -L network-manager|grep init.d |
| 04:31.40 | marshall | Tramp: i didnt change anything on my side, the server was bookmarked |
| 04:32.27 | Tramp | marshall: then I'd bet that they use a different client now - although I don't know of a client which defaults to v1 and does not support v2 - but maybe they configured it like that. |
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| 04:33.17 | johnfg | catsup: OK, it shows network-manager and network-manager-dispatcher in /etc/init.d |
| 04:34.30 | hesco | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll take a look at that. |
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| 04:34.47 | johnfg | catsup: So, just /etc/init.d/network-manager stop; then update-rc.d -f network-manager remove? |
| 04:35.02 | catsup | no |
| 04:35.03 | johnfg | And then the same for dispatcher? |
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| 04:35.13 | johnfg | catsup: No? What then? |
| 04:35.22 | catsup | the problem with that is that an upgrade will reinstall the scripts |
| 04:36.14 | johnfg | I'm doing this, btw, because it interferes with the proper operation of openldap for authentication. Just gotta use networking. |
| 04:36.27 | johnfg | catsup: So, what's the correct way? |
| 04:36.31 | catsup | you can do something like rename 's/^S/K/' /etc/rc?.d/S??network-manager*, or what the man page says, update-rc.d -f foobar remove; update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 . |
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| 04:37.34 | johnfg | catsup: the second way looks better. Is the 2 3 4 the levels? |
| 04:37.37 | catsup | the thing is that package installation will install the script in rc2.d if it's not there, so you need a stop script even though you're not starting it |
| 04:37.46 | catsup | yes |
| 04:38.08 | johnfg | gotcha. Ok, I'm gonna go try it. Thanks for the help catsup! |
| 04:38.13 | catsup | np |
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| 04:39.52 | Gun_Smoke | Who is dpkg's sidekick here? |
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| 04:40.53 | Gun_Smoke | package versions something or another.. |
| 04:41.29 | twb | dpkg -l openoffice.org |
| 04:41.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching openoffice.org |
| 04:41.33 | twb | Hmph |
| 04:41.47 | twb | Gun_Smoke: apparently, I don't know. |
| 04:42.28 | Gun_Smoke | naw.. I thought it was dorr or somthing.. it would just spit out all available versions. |
| 04:42.47 | Gun_Smoke | probably would be wise to voice the bots. |
| 04:43.56 | Kurogane | hello, there are a software similar to publisher? do somethig as brochurs banners etc? |
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| 04:44.54 | adb | !tell Kurogane -about apt-file |
| 04:45.55 | Kurogane | adb what that? |
| 04:46.07 | adb | !apt-file |
| 04:46.07 | dpkg | somebody said apt-file was a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 04:46.19 | Gun_Smoke | heh |
| 04:46.36 | twb | adb: how would apt-file help? |
| 04:46.36 | twb | Kurogane: Scribus is a popular DTP (Desktop Publishing) tool. |
| 04:46.36 | twb | Kurogane: you could probably use OpenOffice, too. Searching the package archive for "DTP" should turn up some others. |
| 04:46.47 | Gun_Smoke | adb, do you know of the other bot I was talking about? |
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| 04:46.55 | man_in_uni | waves |
| 04:47.10 | man_in_uni | anyone know if debian has a texlive pacakge for eps image support? |
| 04:47.27 | adb | judd, versions openoffice.org |
| 04:47.27 | judd | adb: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch7 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3 lenny-backports: 1:3.1.1-1~bpo50+1 sid: 1:3.1.1-2 squeeze: 1:3.1.1-2 |
| 04:47.45 | adb | apt, hi |
| 04:47.45 | apt | salut |
| 04:47.46 | twb | man_in_uni: it does. The standard image packages (picturex?) should work. |
| 04:48.01 | Gun_Smoke | Yeah ju_dd.. |
| 04:48.37 | Gun_Smoke | They ought to voice the bots. |
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| 04:49.09 | adb | !bots |
| 04:49.09 | dpkg | All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg (<dpkgbot>), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper, <judd>. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway. <magic smoke> |
| 04:50.02 | Gun_Smoke | lol.. regardless.. making them more visible is a good idea imo |
| 04:50.25 | man_in_uni | i'm getting "! LaTeX Error: Unknown graphics extension: .eps." |
| 04:50.34 | man_in_uni | with graphicsx |
| 04:50.42 | twb | man_in_uni: did you install all of texlive, or just texlive-base? |
| 04:50.49 | adb | !piggy |
| 04:50.49 | dpkg | Piggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org |
| 04:51.06 | man_in_uni | twb: selected chunks of texlive |
| 04:51.15 | man_in_uni | i'm trying to find what package is needed |
| 04:51.26 | man_in_uni | i've tried texlive-metapost and texlive-pstricks |
| 04:51.58 | twb | man_in_uni: unfortunately I don't know offhand what packages you need. |
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| 04:52.04 | twb | man_in_uni: if you know the .sty file you need, you can get it out of apt-file |
| 04:52.10 | man_in_uni | apparently it's because pdflatex hates eps |
| 04:52.13 | twb | man_in_uni: oh, are you trying to include EPS files within *pdf*latex? |
| 04:52.17 | twb | You can't do that. |
| 04:52.25 | twb | PDF can only embed PDF and JPEG images. |
| 04:52.47 | twb | Anything else must be converted to those to embed it, and I don't know if pdflatex will/can do that conversion automatically. |
| 04:53.07 | man_in_uni | it should, it really should |
| 04:53.34 | twb | man_in_uni: you'll probably get more help asking the TeX channel (#latex on Freenode, I think). |
| 04:54.09 | man_in_uni | yeah, they've already answered :) |
| 04:54.11 | man_in_uni | thanks though |
| 04:54.24 | man_in_uni | < HorizonX1> latex -> dvips -> ps2pdf |
| 04:54.31 | twb | That's plan B |
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| 04:56.06 | man_in_uni | grr, and i've been sent two identical tex files with different filenames |
| 04:56.07 | man_in_uni | yayness |
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| 05:07.47 | adb | Piggy, ping |
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| 05:12.14 | peterrooney | i seem to recall someone was working on a package that would ID what hardware you had and generate a kernel .config file - is this real, or was i dreaming? |
| 05:12.53 | twb | peterrooney: that sounds like a question for #gentoo |
| 05:13.33 | peterrooney | twb: yeah, but do they have make-kpkg ? |
| 05:13.45 | twb | Isn't make-kpkg deprecated? ;-) |
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| 05:18.02 | omgomgomg | I just installed Windows XP onto /dev/sdd1... how can I make GRUB 2 recognise this easily and safely? |
| 05:18.19 | simonrvn | peterrooney: i found such a thing... it isn't that good. it's ok, but i did a better job. i tried it early this summer (or spring). |
| 05:18.34 | simonrvn | omgomgomg: yes... |
| 05:18.47 | omgomgomg | How do I eaily do that? |
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| 05:24.37 | twb | omgomgomg: you need to "chainload". I don't know how offhand, but googling for "grub2 chainload windows" should tell you |
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| 05:32.32 | km | when connecting to a web site using port 80 you don't need to specific the port number in the url unless the using a different port number, why? |
| 05:33.01 | dkr | km: because port 8-0 is defined in the http spec as the default |
| 05:33.04 | dkr | er, 80 |
| 05:34.07 | km | for all browser default port 80 is why you don't need to specify 80 or url |
| 05:35.13 | twb | 80 is the default port for HTTP. |
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| 05:35.19 | twb | Not e.g. HTTPS |
| 05:35.30 | twb | See http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 05:36.06 | km | dkr: if a web using port 8080, so to avoid haveing to type the port in the url i to change the browser default port 80 to 8080? |
| 05:36.44 | twb | km: you couldn't perform enough fellatio in a decade to get that changed |
| 05:36.49 | dkr | km: you have to have the server listen on 80 if you don't want a port in the url |
| 05:37.51 | km | yes, i can it to 80 but it using by other webserver |
| 05:38.35 | faffi | Is there a way to make the title of my terminal tab change to the last command that was run |
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| 05:41.07 | twb | faffi: yes |
| 05:42.33 | km | i like to change http://mysite:8080/xyz to hide the port 8080 and the xyz so i can just use http://mysite |
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| 05:43.47 | twb | km: then you need to use port 80 |
| 05:43.55 | faffi | twb: how? |
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| 05:44.19 | twb | faffi: in the same way you're using port 8080 now. |
| 05:44.26 | faffi | wat? |
| 05:45.07 | km | i can setup iptable to forward port http://mysite to http://mysite:8080, will that work? |
| 05:46.05 | km | or i have to which to port 80 |
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| 05:46.50 | faffi | twb: i think that was meant for km :P |
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| 05:47.44 | umarzuki | ? |
| 05:48.11 | cheako | I'm having a problem getting git clone to work on reapo.or.cz, ne1 know if it's having problems? |
| 05:48.19 | twb | faffi: ah, sorry. |
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| 05:48.40 | twb | faffi: it depends on your terminal. |
| 05:48.51 | faffi | twb: im using gnome-terminal |
| 05:48.52 | twb | faffi: for screen, see "shelltitle" in the manual. |
| 05:49.20 | twb | For gnome-terminal you will need to use more intricate bash voodoo... I don't know offhand, check with #bash on Freenode. |
| 05:49.36 | faffi | rgr, thanks :) |
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| 06:08.44 | nas2 | is it possible to get just the man page of a particular package without installing the package? |
| 06:09.02 | wiretapped | yo |
| 06:09.15 | wiretapped | i need to tell linux to load a module that has been blacklisted |
| 06:09.24 | wiretapped | the module is the usb input stuff |
| 06:09.28 | wiretapped | some asshat blacklisted it |
| 06:09.38 | wiretapped | can't I do this thru the bootloader somehow? |
| 06:09.59 | wiretapped | keyboard works in yaboot but stops working once we get to single user mode |
| 06:10.09 | wiretapped | #debian you're my only hope |
| 06:11.48 | LaidBack_01 | boot with the cd, mount the drive, edit the blacklist in modules. |
| 06:11.53 | dkr | the module itself isn't blacklsited, the usb device vendor/model id are such that the module is not autoloaded when the device on the blacklist is plugged in. did you try loading the module manually? |
| 06:12.21 | dkr | or maybe I am thinking of the wrong blacklist? |
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| 06:20.00 | peterrooney | !qotd252 |
| 06:20.00 | dpkg | somebody said qotd252 was "km> dkr: if a web using port 8080, so to avoid haveing to type the port in the url i to change the browser default port 80 to 8080? <twb> km: you couldn't perform enough fellatio in a decade to get that changed" |
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| 06:20.47 | peterrooney | Sunday is when all the crazies come to #debian |
| 06:21.29 | cheako | peterrooney: but...but it's not Sunday any more. |
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| 06:27.42 | jaggz- | how do I modify mouse settings (like emulate3buttons) while x is running? |
| 06:28.20 | jaggz- | I want to experiment since I don't know what I'm doing with these settings.. my middle mouse button on my thinkpad is putting out two middle mouse clicks instead of 1 |
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| 06:29.59 | peterrooney | cheako: Time Zone PST |
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| 06:30.17 | twb | jaggz-: try xkbcomp? |
| 06:30.22 | twb | jaggz-: or something else in the same package |
| 06:30.38 | wiretapped | peterrooney: are you talking about me? |
| 06:30.40 | liable | what you doin here |
| 06:30.44 | wiretapped | there is nothing crazy about blacklisting usb modules |
| 06:31.01 | wiretapped | booting from a cd is the last resort; we're downloading a ppc iso now |
| 06:31.06 | wiretapped | but were hoping for a better solution |
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| 06:33.51 | liable | bot alert |
| 06:34.13 | simonrvn | you mean that XLBOT in the username? ;) |
| 06:34.21 | liable | yeah |
| 06:34.41 | vvvv | ¶Ô_AnywhereIs_˵£º??? |
| 06:34.45 | vvvv | ¶Ôsimonrvn˵£º?? |
| 06:34.54 | vvvv | ¶Ôsimonrvn˵£ºchinese |
| 06:35.07 | simonrvn | !cn |
| 06:35.07 | dpkg | it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 06:35.20 | simonrvn | pardon the bad utf-8 |
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| 06:36.05 | simonrvn | vvvv: /server irc.oftc.net then /join #debian-zh |
| 06:36.33 | jaggz- | trying xinput .. but it doesn't have "xinput list-props" like this webpage mentions |
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| 06:37.50 | vvvv | ¶Ôsimonrvn˵£ºyes |
| 06:38.11 | jaggz- | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint down at "configuring using xinput" in case anyone is interested |
| 06:38.48 | vvvv | ¶Ôsimonrvn˵£ºchinese_simp |
| 06:40.35 | simonrvn | vvvv: type those two commands, in order, in your IRC client |
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| 06:43.34 | emgee | Hey folks! I'm running Debian in a virtualbox, trying to host my sites over a samba connection. Problem is, the user and group that owns the files display as 501:dialout on the debian machine. Is it safe to simply change the UID of www-data so apache can read and write properly? |
| 06:44.10 | peterrooney | wiretapped: no. qotd. i would never disparage someone with the courage to run debian on PPC. |
| 06:44.32 | peterrooney | wiretapped: it felt like a continuous IQ test. |
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| 06:45.10 | peterrooney | wiretapped: more specifically, /msg dpkg qotd252 |
| 06:45.49 | emgee | Or is there an other way that doesn't include changeing properties on the files themselves? |
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| 06:45.55 | emgee | Like a user-rewrite through the samba share? |
| 06:48.30 | simonrvn | still runs it on ppc. it isn't that different |
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| 06:51.05 | simonrvn | peterrooney: the more challenging port, at least to a ppc newbie, is oldworld |
| 06:51.15 | simonrvn | mac ppc that is |
| 06:51.47 | simonrvn | emgee: shared group |
| 06:51.55 | simonrvn | then have it group write |
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| 06:53.06 | emgee | simonrvn: well I'd have to to that on all new files I create on the other end of the samba, and I'd like not to have to go into the debian on each new file. |
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| 06:53.50 | simonrvn | umask 002 |
| 06:53.53 | emgee | I don't even have a user for UID 501, so it'd been great to just use that space |
| 06:54.08 | emgee | isn't that just apache simonrvn? |
| 06:54.25 | emgee | for uploads and such? |
| 06:54.29 | emgee | and log files or whatever |
| 06:54.44 | simonrvn | what? man umask |
| 06:55.29 | simonrvn | meh, make that man bash |
| 06:55.51 | liable | get a cup of coffee while you read it.. |
| 06:55.59 | mesa_booger | help umask might work |
| 06:56.11 | simonrvn | you type /umask and press n twice |
| 06:56.31 | emgee | simonrvn: lucky you the host machine is OSX, so I do run bash. ;) Could've been windoze! |
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| 06:56.55 | simonrvn | emgee: i'd hae to shoot you then :P |
| 06:56.58 | simonrvn | have* |
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| 06:57.39 | emgee | simonrvn: Id've shot myself then. :) |
| 06:57.48 | simonrvn | hell, they have zsh on 10.x |
| 06:58.13 | simonrvn | er 10.3 |
| 06:58.17 | simonrvn | had to do a fresh install the other day |
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| 06:58.26 | emgee | did one last night |
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| 07:00.48 | wald0 | my laptop freezes sometimes, totally... how can know what's the cause ? im tired to do forced-reboots with the power button and i start to being worried for my data |
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| 07:01.28 | wald0 | even the magic keys of the kernel not works :/ |
| 07:01.52 | Hoxzer | wald0: have you tried SSH'ing it after the freez ? |
| 07:02.02 | liable | we've found him! |
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| 07:02.13 | ton | Hello. Which one way is the best to implement Linux Authentication w/ MS AD ? |
| 07:02.22 | ton | 1. LDAP 2. LDAP with Kerberos 3. Winbind |
| 07:02.28 | wald0 | Hoxzer: of course, is impossible, like i say, even the magic keys not works |
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| 07:05.10 | Hoxzer | wald0: Are you running the latest kernel ? |
| 07:05.14 | twb | ton: AD = Kerberos |
| 07:05.22 | Hoxzer | which your version has to offer |
| 07:05.31 | twb | IMO Kerberos is the trickiest, but best, solution. |
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| 07:06.17 | nevyn | AD == dns + ldap + kerberos + dhcp +otherstuff all mushed together |
| 07:06.26 | twb | nevyn: yeah |
| 07:07.11 | twb | It's great when you talk to, say, the openldap guys and they say something like "oh, in principle it'll work with MIT krb, but we really only test against AD" |
| 07:07.12 | nevyn | with adminstration tools that don't suck. (for values of suck that lots of people agree with) |
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| 07:07.29 | nevyn | twb: so you joining the piratepartyau? |
| 07:07.44 | twb | nevyn: administration tools? Those are site-specific! What, you don't have 100 undergrads to write it for you? |
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| 07:08.01 | nevyn | twb: yeah.. see that's the thing |
| 07:08.11 | nevyn | there's really no need for them to be site specific |
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| 07:08.28 | nevyn | tho I'll not that $CURRENTEMPLOYER has done the site-specific code on top of edirectory thing |
| 07:08.40 | nevyn | s/note/note/ |
| 07:08.44 | cdnstreaming | I am planning to serve paid videos on some CDN and I wonder if I can hide the addresses so users can't access videos directly, I have seen som simplecdn module, any one has used it or cdn? |
| 07:09.05 | twb | Oh, I agree there's no NEED for it to be site-specific |
| 07:09.14 | twb | It's just that CMU and CSAIL and such don't give a shit |
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| 07:09.42 | Hoxzer | What I would do is to read dmesg and syslog. Then apt-get dist-upgrade and assure that I have latest kernel from app repostories. If that doesn't help. I woudl try to close every service I have running as root one by one |
| 07:09.42 | Hoxzer | wald0: also experimental modules might cause your box to freez. Those are not included in debian kernels |
| 07:09.42 | Hoxzer | wald0: You must also verify that your system isn't just slow. For example I had problems with few programs sucking all the processing power. |
| 07:09.57 | Hoxzer | wait at least 1 minute after you did something and see wether it had a effect |
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| 07:15.56 | twb | nevyn: re pirate party, currently I "throw my vote away" towards the greens. I'd have to compare their policies to see whether the pirate party is a bunch of cognoscenti, or ricers. |
| 07:16.09 | nas2 | guys anyone familiar with this? |
| 07:16.11 | nas2 | buffer i o error on device dm-0 |
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| 07:16.37 | nevyn | you do hate those ricers. |
| 07:16.46 | emgee | simonrvn: Did it your way, and it worked fine ofcourse.. :) But I changed UID of www-data anyway, for good measure |
| 07:18.13 | kraut | moin |
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| 07:19.26 | emgee | Is there a way to list all files belonging to a specific user? |
| 07:20.02 | mhymn | emgee: 'man find' i believe |
| 07:20.12 | twb | emgee: find /home -xdev -user fred |
| 07:20.17 | emgee | ah awesome |
| 07:20.19 | twb | emgee: approximately, YMMV, etc. |
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| 07:21.57 | emgee | great, worked fine with userids too. I had some unowned files after I changed uid on www-data |
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| 07:30.32 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:30.43 | boxxy | hi all |
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| 07:31.24 | twb | emgee: oh, there's another filter that finds unresolvable owners, IIRC |
| 07:31.57 | boxxy | emgee: oh, there's another filter that finds unresolvable owners, IIRC |
| 07:32.06 | superlinux | I have this issue: I can wakeup my PC from the hibernation but Xwindows does not wakeup too. I get a black screen. |
| 07:32.20 | boxxy | I have this issue: I can wakeup my PC from the hibernation but Xwindows does not wakeup too. I get a black screen. |
| 07:32.24 | simonrvn | boxxy: what are you |
| 07:32.35 | boxxy | simonrvn: what are you |
| 07:32.37 | superlinux | so how do I fix that? |
| 07:32.42 | simonrvn | !ops boxxy == bot |
| 07:32.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: boxxy == bot |
| 07:32.43 | boxxy | so how do I fix that? |
| 07:33.02 | simonrvn | superlinux: dunno, sorry |
| 07:33.07 | superlinux | ok |
| 07:33.20 | simonrvn | just wait, someone else can help |
| 07:33.25 | liable | he got klined yesterday.. |
| 07:33.26 | boxxy | superlinux: dunno, sorry |
| 07:33.28 | boxxy | ok |
| 07:33.31 | superlinux | i will , brother |
| 07:33.32 | boxxy | just wait, someone else can help |
| 07:33.38 | boxxy | i will , brother |
| 07:33.48 | simonrvn | oxxy shutup |
| 07:33.51 | simonrvn | boxxy shutup |
| 07:33.52 | boxxy | oxxy shutup |
| 07:34.00 | mhymn | you should see familypal, you useless bot |
| 07:34.02 | boxxy | simonrvn shutup |
| 07:34.06 | boxxy | ou should see familypal, you useless bot |
| 07:34.37 | mhymn | simonrvn: not a bot i believe |
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| 07:34.46 | simonrvn | it's someone using mirc |
| 07:35.00 | boxxy | simonrvn: not a bot i believe |
| 07:35.02 | boxxy | it's someone using mirc |
| 07:35.06 | boxxy | niggers |
| 07:35.20 | simonrvn | CTCP VERSION reply from boxxy: mIRC v6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 07:35.32 | simonrvn | boxxy: racists |
| 07:35.40 | zinx | it doesn't matter if they're a bot or not |
| 07:35.42 | mesa_booger | this happened the other day. some nazi idiot was allowed to run riot for over an hour |
| 07:35.45 | zinx | they're being disruptive :/ |
| 07:35.46 | boxxy | CTCP VERSION reply from simonrvn: NiggerIRC 6.35 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 07:35.51 | boxxy | boxxy: racists |
| 07:35.55 | boxxy | it doesn't matter if they're a bot or not |
| 07:35.57 | boxxy | this happened the other day. some nazi idiot was allowed to run riot for over an hour |
| 07:36.00 | boxxy | they're being disruptive : |
| 07:36.05 | simonrvn | i suggest an /ignore |
| 07:36.12 | boxxy | i suggest an /ignore |
| 07:36.14 | twb | simonrvn: hear, hear |
| 07:36.22 | boxxy | simonrvn |
| 07:36.27 | boxxy | hear hear |
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| 07:38.49 | simonrvn | got quiet... amazing ;) |
| 07:38.55 | boxxy | got quiet... amazing ;) |
| 07:39.10 | liable | 'cept for tardbot |
| 07:39.13 | jelly-home | /quit |
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| 07:39.49 | liable | \o/ |
| 07:40.01 | simonrvn | yay niko |
| 07:40.03 | liable | !beer niko |
| 07:40.03 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for niko |
| 07:40.10 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 07:40.23 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehe |
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| 07:40.39 | liable | hah, that only just dawned on me.. :) |
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| 07:43.50 | g00se | An average speed to rsync from ext3 to a cifs-mounted share on cabled Ethernet of 300Kb/s seems slow to me. What do you think? |
| 07:44.03 | kronic | what's your opinion on a umask? ideally on a shared system it should be 077, but is the default 022 fine for a user, pros and cons |
| 07:44.50 | jelly-home | g00se: rsync thinks both mounted filesystems are local and doesn't do the checksum trick. use rsync over ssh. |
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| 07:45.54 | g00se | jelly-home: Well i can't rsync to a real target of XP - or can i? |
| 07:46.08 | jelly-home | g00se: just install sshd on it :-) |
| 07:46.25 | jelly-home | (and rsync too) |
| 07:47.07 | jelly-home | g00se: if you have a trusted network link, you could use just rsync, as a server |
| 07:47.19 | mesa_booger | kronic: you subtract the mask from 666 for files, and from 777 for dirs. so 022 makes files 644 and dirs 755 by default. it depends what you want really |
| 07:47.38 | jelly-home | g00se: cygwin has both openssh and rsync. |
| 07:47.43 | g00se | jelly-home: Well i could bung a Debian Live usb key in it and do it that way |
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| 07:48.09 | jelly-home | g00se: or a more decent livecd that already has rsync and ssh. Yes. |
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| 07:49.18 | g00se | jelly-home: Thanks. Yes i think that's what i'll do. At current rates, by my calcs, it's going to take c. 15 hours to shift 17GB |
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| 07:49.49 | twb | rsync -essh doesn't work with Windows, because of a deadlock problem in Cygwin. |
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| 07:50.15 | twb | You *can* use rsyncd (unencrypted). |
| 07:50.25 | jelly-home | twb: his windows is going to be a server, not client |
| 07:50.41 | twb | jelly-home: which end is the "client" in your model? ;-) |
| 07:50.54 | jelly-home | twb: the one running "rsync -essh" |
| 07:50.55 | liable | the man page doesnt suggest you do though |
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| 07:51.07 | twb | jelly-home: OK |
| 07:51.08 | funky | hi |
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| 07:51.28 | funky | when is firefox(iceweasel) 3.5 going to be added to sid ? |
| 07:51.37 | funky | is there any place where check it out? |
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| 07:51.47 | jelly-home | twb: at the other end, rsync merely uses stdin/stdout provided by sshd |
| 07:52.19 | twb | jelly-home: erm, rsync -essh invokes a temporary rsync --daemon process on the far end |
| 07:52.43 | twb | The two rsync processes interact over the stdio line ssh provides, if that's what you meant. |
| 07:52.53 | jelly-home | twb: we are in agreement |
| 07:53.01 | twb | Righto. |
| 07:53.03 | liable | *hugs* |
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| 07:53.40 | twb | funky: it's in experimental atm, if that helps |
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| 07:55.34 | kronic | mesa_booger: I know how it works, what do you use, if you mind disclosing? |
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| 07:58.11 | mesa_booger | kronic: er 022, explicitly set |
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| 08:02.30 | superlinux | hi again. My X window does not wakeup from hibernation. however my virtual terminal does. so how can I make X come back? |
| 08:03.25 | jelly-home | superlinux: does your hibernation script switch to vt before hibernating? |
| 08:04.04 | jelly-home | if not, try it. |
| 08:05.26 | superlinux | jelly-home, how can i know it does switch? |
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| 08:06.00 | superlinux | i just type `s2both` |
| 08:06.09 | superlinux | or s2disk |
| 08:06.27 | g00se | btw is using ntfs-3g going to give me the fastest ntfs mount or is there something superior? |
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| 08:06.40 | jelly-home | superlinux: instead of that, do "chvt 1; sleep 5; s2disk" |
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| 08:08.01 | superlinux | jelly-home, so this means I MUST change vt before hibernating? |
| 08:08.09 | superlinux | will X be back? |
| 08:08.18 | jelly-home | !tias |
| 08:08.19 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first. |
| 08:08.29 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:08.42 | jelly-home | superlinux: it's a common workaround |
| 08:08.43 | superlinux | i just don't want to reboot too often |
| 08:08.53 | superlinux | ok. thanks bro |
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| 08:09.26 | jelly-home | if only X hangs, just restart X, why reboot |
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| 08:13.14 | colblood | how can i make a package of a source code that doesnt support Checkinstall? |
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| 08:13.24 | kronic | mesa_booger: cheers mate |
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| 08:13.51 | superlinux | jelly-home, it did not resume X. I did the same as you said |
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| 08:14.22 | superlinux | only the VT |
| 08:14.27 | superlinux | only the VT resumed |
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| 08:15.17 | jelly-home | superlinux: you can't go back to vt7? |
| 08:15.22 | mesa_booger | g00se: ntfs-3g seems to be the best (some say only) ntfs deal at the moment |
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| 08:17.12 | superlinux | jelly, when i returened to VT7 the mouse was not responding |
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| 08:17.33 | jelly-home | superlinux: that's a tad different than "did not resume X" |
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| 08:18.25 | jelly-home | superlinux: is the rest of the screen all right? Does keyboard work in X, do windows update? |
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| 08:18.57 | superlinux | jelly-home, , when i returened to VT7 the mouse was not responding |
| 08:18.57 | superlinux | and also the ALT+CTRL+F(n) is not working so i can go back to vt1 |
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| 08:20.03 | iceyp | hey guys, can anyone suggest a method to test disk I/O on debian, I've tried bonnie++ but dont get any results |
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| 08:20.05 | jelly-home | superlinux: did any keys work? Alt-Tab, letters? |
| 08:20.22 | superlinux | jelly-home, i was not able to see anything on my screen. howver the Number Lock I think it was working. |
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| 08:20.55 | superlinux | but not any other key. |
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| 08:21.22 | marck | how to remove debian ? |
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| 08:22.11 | marck | i tried, but i have not time, that to the boot it starts immediately, without having time to access by shell and using fdisk |
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| 08:22.30 | marck | i would to umount / and swap area |
| 08:22.54 | daltio | guys i want to search particular word in a folder containg many text files? |
| 08:23.19 | g00se | mesa_booger: Thanks. It's under way |
| 08:24.02 | marck | how to remove debian ? |
| 08:24.08 | marck | i tried, but i have not time, that to the boot it starts immediately, without having time to access by shell and using fdisk |
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| 08:24.13 | g00se | marck: and then ..? |
| 08:24.13 | marck | i would to umount / and swap area |
| 08:25.18 | mhymn | daltio: man find :) |
| 08:26.06 | superlinux | daltio, grep -R 'your word' /your/folder |
| 08:26.17 | superlinux | daltio, grep -iR 'your word' /your/folder |
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| 08:26.33 | superlinux | 'i' will make it case insensitive |
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| 08:37.52 | [x]sodium[x] | hey guy what is difference between slackware and debian |
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| 08:39.26 | SlayerXP | [x]sodium[x]: is google illegal where you live? |
| 08:39.54 | superlinux | how can I make the enlightenment Icon box "always on top"? I have set the window stacking "On Top". is that it? |
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| 08:56.26 | Splex | anybody know if it is possible to force one of the addresses found in pmap of a running process to be freed? Is there a command that can do this? |
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| 08:57.49 | radoe | Splex: why? |
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| 09:00.26 | Splex | radoe: xorg apparently has a memory leak after running a fullscreen 3d app. I killed the app and found in pmap one of the address mappings where all my memory is being consumed. I would like to free it up if possible without killing my Xorg process. |
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| 09:01.56 | rvsjoen | sounds like a very bad idea |
| 09:01.58 | radoe | Splex: It's impossible. |
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| 09:03.35 | unknown_user | hi, i was wondering how can i figure out if the last stable kernel supports a Dell's PERC 6/i RAID controller? i'm planning on use debian on a brand new dell server that should arrive soon, but now i'm shuddering of just thinking that it could not support the RAID card...and debian is the only thing i know!! i'm just a begginer on server's stuff, and the old ones that i have to manage are running on etch |
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| 09:04.08 | destrudo | isn't perc 6 mpt? |
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| 09:05.01 | destrudo | 1078 |
| 09:05.03 | destrudo | nm |
| 09:05.43 | destrudo | megaraid job |
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| 09:09.16 | unknown_user | i think so, at least is what some guys said at the hardware channel, i guess |
| 09:09.24 | boxxy | i think so, at least is what some guys said at the hardware channel, i guess |
| 09:09.49 | unknown_user | ?? |
| 09:09.53 | boxxy | ?? |
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| 09:11.28 | destrudo | unknown_user: the answer is yes w/ the megaraid drivers |
| 09:11.51 | KB1JWQ | Interesting, is boxxy a repeat bot? |
| 09:11.57 | boxxy | unknown_user: the answer is yes w/ the megaraid drivers |
| 09:12.09 | boxxy | Interesting, is KB1JWQ a faggot? |
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| 09:12.15 | destrudo | The queen of /b/ |
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| 09:12.22 | KB1JWQ | boxxy: Please be civil. |
| 09:12.26 | boxxy | The queen of /b/ |
| 09:12.30 | boxxy | boxxy: Please be civil. |
| 09:12.41 | KB1JWQ | There an op around? |
| 09:12.42 | destrudo | I also just took about 2 grams of psilocybin |
| 09:12.45 | boxxy | There an op around? |
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| 09:12.48 | boxxy | I also just took about 2 grams of psilocybin |
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| 09:12.57 | boxxy | !ops the jews havent been exterminated yet |
| 09:12.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: boxxy complains about: the jews havent been exterminated yet |
| 09:12.58 | catsup | nice |
| 09:12.59 | KB1JWQ | I suppose not. *sighs* |
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| 09:13.04 | boxxy | nice |
| 09:13.07 | boxxy | I suppose not. *sighs* |
| 09:13.12 | destrudo | sage. |
| 09:13.16 | destrudo | lol |
| 09:13.17 | boxxy | sage. |
| 09:13.18 | boxxy | lol |
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| 09:13.30 | destrudo | aw |
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| 09:13.45 | destrudo | imma idle now. |
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| 09:14.11 | liable | ffs |
| 09:14.51 | Maulkin | Yay |
| 09:15.26 | liable | Maulkin: chanserv will unban it, can you do it permanenly and kick it? |
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| 09:16.57 | liable | he was banned momentarily before, but obviously it doesnt give up |
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| 09:17.06 | liable | he was also klined yesterday |
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| 09:18.32 | unknown__user | liable: who? |
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| 09:19.33 | liable | unknown__user: a troll |
| 09:20.02 | Maulkin | Yay, privmsg spam. |
| 09:20.05 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@c-66-30-245-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by ChanServ |
| 09:20.12 | destrudo | internet trolls |
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| 09:20.17 | destrudo | from /b/ |
| 09:20.21 | destrudo | They come |
| 09:20.24 | destrudo | they grow |
| 09:20.34 | KB1JWQ | Heh, if ops aren't around you can always ping #freenode. |
| 09:20.36 | themill | destrudo: leave it... and stop hitting enter, thanks. |
| 09:20.39 | Maulkin | tomaw: Could we have a kline for that please? |
| 09:20.43 | destrudo | is windows compatible with debian. |
| 09:20.45 | KB1JWQ | One of us'll likely step in. |
| 09:20.51 | destrudo | lol |
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| 09:20.57 | destrudo | leaves again |
| 09:21.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-66-30-245-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by Maulkin |
| 09:21.22 | liable | do the nick too i reckon |
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| 09:21.38 | liable | he must have changed ip's since the previous kline |
| 09:21.50 | GMF` | hi all |
| 09:21.57 | liable | though he had a different nick the other day.. |
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| 09:22.15 | GMF` | I installed debian lenny on a new desktop env |
| 09:22.25 | Maulkin | Well, if he returns, shout in the usual manner. |
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| 09:22.42 | GMF` | I have a problem with a key |
| 09:22.58 | GMF` | the system doesnt recognize when i press the key "<" |
| 09:23.03 | sphenxes | I would like to mount a directory with user name under vbox. i have used several variations but not working. sudo mount -t vboxsf -user username.username general /media/general. my problem is how to use -user command? there are lot of examples about using uid, but i would like to moutn with username not uid |
| 09:23.10 | GMF` | do you have a ny clue why it doesnt work ? |
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| 09:24.57 | Maulkin | sphenxes: that's not really what the user option is used for. Have a lo0ok at "man mount" |
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| 09:26.27 | sphenxes | Maulkin, thanks, i have read the man page but surely i have misunderstand it. is there a way to mount with user name instead of uid |
| 09:26.50 | reber | hi, wich tool would anyone recommend for printing stats ? |
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| 09:28.21 | myeggo | good morning |
| 09:29.11 | beardy | Hi |
| 09:29.39 | mesa_booger | reber: stats on printing, or the printing of stats ? |
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| 09:30.23 | Sia- | reber: localhost: |
| 09:30.30 | Sia- | reber: http://localhost:631/printers. |
| 09:30.58 | liable | not sure he is on about printers.. |
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| 09:36.08 | myeggo | hello, someone know where can i configure the log system of dhcpd? |
| 09:36.22 | myeggo | it creates .gz files for a while, but i dont know when they are purged |
| 09:37.30 | myeggo | heh, syslog.conf, sorry |
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| 09:40.33 | Wooga | is there anything like dmesg for init-scripts? |
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| 09:41.05 | Wooga | storing all output in files; making available to get all errors without display |
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| 09:45.53 | myeggo | well, a thing that i dont find: the dhcpd server stores logs until 1 month ago |
| 09:46.08 | myeggo | can i save more times, like 6 months? |
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| 09:46.18 | myeggo | in syslog.conf i onlly find the paths |
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| 09:47.53 | phanter | hi there. I have written a udev rule, but it is not applied. Do I need a command to compile such rule (or something)? I currently have it placed in the /etc/udev/rules.d/x60-new-rule.rule. |
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| 09:49.27 | liable | phanter: dont think so. should just work at next boot or when you tell udev to reread them. check the docs for udev, theres actually (iirc) a good little intro (or link to) about writing rules |
| 09:49.31 | radoe | phanter: no compilation needed. Are you sure your rule is correct? |
| 09:50.22 | liable | thats the other thing, check kern.log or dmesg for errors |
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| 09:50.44 | phanter | I think so. This is the rule: "ATTRS{interface}=="AIS-2-USB", SYMLINK+="ais"" (without the ") |
| 09:50.54 | liable | !think |
| 09:50.54 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 09:51.30 | phanter | knowing=learning |
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| 09:56.52 | reber | mesa_booger, stats on printing |
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| 09:57.20 | oks | I am having problem pinging the server which is connected with a switch between us. Any idea? |
| 09:59.12 | JPT | check his ip and network configuration |
| 09:59.20 | JPT | a switch is not a dhcp-server :) |
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| 10:01.08 | phanter | after changing a rule... do I need a reboot or will it be effective immediately? |
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| 10:01.57 | jelly | phanter: a reload of udev should suffice for when a device like that is hotplugged the next time |
| 10:03.28 | jelly | phanter: if the device has its own kernel device driver, you can rmmod and modprobe it |
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| 10:04.12 | oks | JPT, : Yeah, i pinged the IP of the server |
| 10:04.25 | JPT | :) |
| 10:04.26 | oks | But i am not getting any reply on the ping |
| 10:04.30 | JPT | hmm |
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| 10:04.36 | oks | on my pc |
| 10:04.40 | JPT | but you are sure that the ip is correct? |
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| 10:04.49 | oks | yes |
| 10:04.57 | oks | 192.168.1.1 is the ip of the server |
| 10:05.02 | JPT | can you ping your own computer from the server? |
| 10:05.19 | oks | one moment, lett me try on my pc |
| 10:05.23 | JPT | :) |
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| 10:06.47 | oks | yes |
| 10:06.51 | oks | it worked to ping my own pc |
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| 10:07.06 | oks | but when i try to ping the server i don't get any reply |
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| 10:08.18 | ton | Hello. Who could help for me with NSS LDAP against Active Directory ? http://donatas.pastebin.com/m26a5001b |
| 10:08.21 | phanter | Well, I see this in my kern.log "kernel: [ 1392.525874] usb 2-1: Product: AIS-2-USB", and changed my rule to "ATTRS{product}=="AIS-2-USB", SYMLINK+="ais"". It still does not work, any ideas? |
| 10:08.27 | Imran-UK | hiwk, i want to install wordpress on a webserver but i'm concerned about vulnerabilities - ive chosen to always run the latest version from wordpress.org (2.8.4) rather than from the lenny packages (2.5.1) - am i being too paranoid ehre? |
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| 10:14.34 | Sia- | Imran-UK: then download it manually with wget and install it |
| 10:15.05 | petemc | Imran-UK: the debian version should get security updates backported to it |
| 10:15.20 | Imran-UK | Sia-, ive written a script that does that and rsync's it into place. i just wondered what other admins do |
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| 10:16.00 | hiwk | Imran-UK: I don't care. |
| 10:16.12 | phanter | I have written 5 different rules now, and I have no reason to believe that any of them is really incorrect. Still my ais device is not symlinked to /dev/ais :( |
| 10:16.22 | Imran-UK | hiwk, xchat automatically appended your name. i originally typed "hi" |
| 10:16.43 | sepult | is it possible to set a deb-src http://blalba for sid for getting |
| 10:16.43 | sepult | maybe sid sources in lenny without going to sid ? |
| 10:17.03 | petemc | sepult: yes, thats how you can backport sid packages to lenny |
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| 10:17.10 | sepult | oh ok |
| 10:17.17 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.18 | sepult | cause i don't want any binary's from sid |
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| 10:18.15 | ton | http://donatas.pastebin.com/m26a5001b getent passwd doesn't return a list of users from AD. No errors |
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| 10:18.48 | sepult | petemc: ok thank you |
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| 10:20.38 | Cybertinus | hello |
| 10:21.21 | Cybertinus | I've got Apache and PHP running on a Debian 5.0.3 machine, but when I look at phpinfo(); I see a lot of PHP modules I don't need/want. Is there a config file somewhere to disable them? |
| 10:22.01 | Imran-UK | petemc, happily it looks like debian wordpress is pretty up-to-date by comparing http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=wordpress and http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/w/wordpress/wordpress_2.5.1-11+lenny2/changelog |
| 10:22.58 | Imran-UK | Cybertinus, yes php.ini - i think its /etc/php/php.ini. comment out those you dont want loaded |
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| 10:23.36 | Sia- | quick way to change desktop default language completlly? |
| 10:24.01 | Cybertinus | Imran-UK: /etc/php/php.ini doesn't exists. Do you mean /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini? I can't find any module line in there :( |
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| 10:25.48 | Imran-UK | Cybertinus, there should be a section called Module Setting in the file |
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| 10:26.11 | Imran-UK | i just leave those modules, i only ever add to php and php-mysql is the only one i add |
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| 10:27.38 | Sia- | !tell Imran-UK about LAMP |
| 10:28.48 | Cybertinus | Imran-UK: ok, it works when you leave them, but I don't want them. All software that is installed and you don't use can only be used for hackers to access your system ;) |
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| 10:29.11 | Imran-UK | Sia-, thanks but it is Cybertinus who is asking |
| 10:29.41 | Sia- | Imran-UK: because you dont know what is PHP.ini and where is in debian |
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| 10:30.08 | Imran-UK | Cybertinus, well they are not like running services :) i pointed out Module Settings because you might be able to dynamically turn them on/off as you see fit |
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| 10:30.53 | Imran-UK | Sia, i know what it is. i justy dont know off the top of my head |
| 10:30.59 | superlinux | guys I want to share with you this idea. imagine that you dont want to spend so much on a UPS with a computer power controller cos you already have one. this way is very easy to build a small controller using an AC/DC adapter connected to the serial port. read the /dev/ttyS0 inside Linux. as long as there is power in the adapter the file will always dump data. one it stops you hibernate using s2disk. cool isn't? |
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| 10:31.37 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 10:31.40 | Cybertinus | Imran-UK: I checked that section, and I don't see the module list I know from a PHP install on Windows. And I don't see sections there for modules that are enabled (JSON for example) |
| 10:31.40 | themill | Cybertinus: modules are usually loaded through /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/*.ini files |
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| 10:32.04 | man_in_shack | anyone know if anyone is trying to get google chromium packages into debian? |
| 10:32.12 | Cybertinus | themill: in /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ I only have 1 .ini file: pdo.ini. But there are a lot more PHP modules :) |
| 10:32.30 | themill | Cybertinus: are you sure they're actually compiled as modules? |
| 10:32.30 | Sia- | man_in_shack: is not stable version try google |
| 10:33.02 | man_in_shack | Sia-, ~900MB compressed source download that they claim takes 10GB of space to build. no thanks :P |
| 10:33.15 | Sia- | wtf? |
| 10:33.24 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 10:33.43 | Sia- | man_in_shack: http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html |
| 10:33.47 | man_in_shack | if i wasn't so put off by the size of the download, i'd be looking in to what the f***** they think they're doing |
| 10:33.49 | Cybertinus | themill: I don't know. The build command isn't in the phpinfo(); output |
| 10:34.01 | Sia- | is not from google is from some another developer |
| 10:34.02 | man_in_shack | Sia-, already on their list |
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| 10:34.19 | man_in_shack | http://code.google.com/chromium/ |
| 10:34.32 | Sia- | http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ports/chromium/ |
| 10:34.51 | man_in_shack | oh neat |
| 10:35.01 | man_in_shack | i had no idea codeweavers had that |
| 10:35.16 | Sia- | the google aps was nver stable for inux is just for win |
| 10:35.36 | man_in_shack | 34MB package "for ubuntu and debian" |
| 10:35.56 | Sia- | yes, and i test it is F*** unstable and doesn't work |
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| 10:36.11 | man_in_shack | heh, well i only want to try one particularly evil website on it |
| 10:36.12 | themill | Cybertinus: most things listed in phpinfo are not modular at all (json is one of them, aiui). It's part of the php core. Separate headings in phpinfo don't mean anything other than a heading to help you find stuff |
| 10:36.19 | enmerkar | meh. run wine to have another khtml browser... |
| 10:36.22 | man_in_shack | but while i'm here and bitching about web browsers ... |
| 10:36.47 | Sia- | enmerkar: and why Wine? why not konqueror ? |
| 10:37.01 | enmerkar | ^^chromium |
| 10:37.07 | man_in_shack | anyone know about webkit browsers and pdf files not behaving? i point a gtk/webkit browser to a pdf and it points evince to a file that never exists |
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| 10:37.21 | man_in_shack | enmerkar, webkit is a khtml fork that actually *works* |
| 10:37.29 | Sia- | enmerkar: is same with konqueror same technology same shit :) |
| 10:37.45 | Sia- | ok then run midori webbrowser |
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| 10:38.01 | man_in_shack | and the reason why i want to try chrome/chromium is because arora, midori, epiphany-webkit etc do not download the pdf from this site correctly |
| 10:38.03 | pistache | I have two computers in a ethernet lan. One has direct access to the internet. I would like to other one to have access to the internet too. |
| 10:38.19 | catsup | why don't you use firefox |
| 10:38.26 | enmerkar | pistache: how are you physically connected to the net? |
| 10:38.38 | man_in_shack | catsup, because the site does not work AT ALL in firefox |
| 10:38.46 | man_in_shack | allows login, but none of the menu options work |
| 10:38.49 | Sia- | man_in_shack: not true |
| 10:39.00 | catsup | what site |
| 10:39.04 | man_in_shack | something about javascript stuff hitting illegal permissions |
| 10:39.08 | Sia- | worse website doesn't work nder mozilla |
| 10:39.16 | pistache | enmerkar: first computer is connected to a modem. |
| 10:39.20 | pistache | So I ran : |
| 10:39.20 | man_in_shack | Sia-, what are you talking about now? |
| 10:39.25 | pistache | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE, on the first computer. |
| 10:39.41 | Sia- | man_in_shack: your argument to use khtml is so funny |
| 10:39.43 | pistache | and route add default gw 192.168.1.1 (ip of first computer) on the second computer |
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| 10:39.46 | man_in_shack | catsup, it's not available to the general public. employee records system at my uni. requires login to see the hideous brokenness |
| 10:40.47 | Sia- | then use Opera is perfect and you can let the JS worked manually |
| 10:40.48 | enmerkar | pistache: well, does the client have an IP? can you ping the router? |
| 10:40.59 | man_in_shack | Sia-, opera crashes the server-side scripts |
| 10:41.05 | pistache | enmerkar: client does have an IP. |
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| 10:41.10 | catsup | i see |
| 10:41.11 | man_in_shack | because it does very broken browser detection |
| 10:41.23 | man_in_shack | seriously, interweb exploder and webkit are my ONLY options |
| 10:41.39 | themill | man_in_shack: I presume you've tried faking browser agent strings with this thing? |
| 10:41.39 | catsup | did you try forging user-agent |
| 10:41.39 | Sia- | man_in_shack: also i have no more idea what yoy try to have |
| 10:41.41 | man_in_shack | and none of the linux-native webkit browsers work for me, because they all point evince to a file that doesn't exist |
| 10:41.42 | Sia- | you* |
| 10:42.15 | enmerkar | man_in_shack: how about simply downloading the file and opening it later? |
| 10:42.16 | man_in_shack | themill, yes. user agent switcher in firefox, set to opera, crashes the server-side scripts :P and setting to IE doesn't help |
| 10:42.32 | catsup | what about setting opera to ie |
| 10:42.33 | pistache | My router is at 192.168.1.1, my serveur has two ethernet interfaces reachable at 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.2.1. Client computer is at 192.168.2.2. |
| 10:42.37 | pistache | *server |
| 10:42.45 | themill | man_in_shack: that's delightfully broken even for a uni records system |
| 10:42.55 | pistache | Router and server have access to the internet, but I want to make it available for the client. |
| 10:42.58 | man_in_shack | enmerkar, because i can't get to the URL until the browser tries to open it and fails. it's not even in the source of the page because the whole page appears to be generated by javascript |
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| 10:43.17 | man_in_shack | enmerkar, only way i've been able to get to it so far is either use ugly konqueror or use arora's DOM inspector |
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| 10:44.07 | enmerkar | pistache: well, create working LAN, turn on ip forwarding + masquerading. that should do it. dns optional |
| 10:44.40 | pistache | enmerkar: is running iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE on the server enough ? |
| 10:44.48 | man_in_shack | themill, yeah, i know |
| 10:44.57 | pistache | Oh right, forgot to turn on forwarding |
| 10:44.58 | man_in_shack | let me see if i can find the javascript error |
| 10:45.02 | enmerkar | pistache: depends which IP is assigned to eth0, and forwarding |
| 10:45.39 | pistache | Thanks enmerkar echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward did it :) |
| 10:45.42 | man_in_shack | ok, chromium is doing some horrible stuff and not loading the page at all :P |
| 10:46.44 | gullstein | Anyone know how to make the initrd load kinit on boot |
| 10:46.49 | pistache | chromium is working in my laptop man_in_shack |
| 10:46.56 | pistache | i'm using it right now. |
| 10:47.01 | man_in_shack | "Error: Permission denied for <https://sap.rmit.edu.au> to get property Window.gvSAP_itsWGateBaseUrl from <https://itsitp01.sap.rmit.edu.au:1445>." |
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| 10:47.40 | man_in_shack | pistache, sure. it just doesn't seem to want to load the login page for this site |
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| 10:50.11 | man_in_shack | setting user agent to IE7 causes the page to break horribly in iceweasel |
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| 10:53.25 | enmerkar | man_in_shack: do you know about ies4linux? |
| 10:53.32 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 10:54.11 | man_in_shack | i know it's disgusting and broken |
| 10:54.11 | man_in_shack | and overkill |
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| 10:54.12 | enmerkar | oh, whatever. have fun |
| 10:54.12 | themill | man_in_shack: are you describing SAP or ies4linux? |
| 10:54.14 | man_in_shack | both |
| 10:54.46 | enmerkar | fires up a vm and plays a round of minesweeper |
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| 10:55.19 | man_in_shack | facepalms |
| 10:55.27 | man_in_shack | just found out why opera crashes the server-side scripts |
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| 10:55.55 | dekatch | hello debian# how to take a look if selinux is enabled or disabled? |
| 10:55.57 | man_in_shack | browsers are explicitly supported. anything that has an unrecognised user agent string causes the crash |
| 10:57.20 | dekatch | i found several guides how to disable temporarly or permanently but not only hint how to check the state of selinux |
| 10:57.39 | dekatch | one* |
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| 10:58.51 | man_in_shack | so, does anyone know why gtk/webkit browsers might be sending non-existent filenames to evince when downloading a pdf? |
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| 11:00.02 | dekatch | well, ill try my luck in ##linux |
| 11:00.03 | themill | man_in_shack: I find it hard to believe that it's the html render that's doing this -- it will be the actual browser app and your local desktop environment setup. In what way is the filename broken? Truncated? Wrong directory? |
| 11:00.10 | humbolt | how can I kill a process, which does not want to be killed even with -9? |
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| 11:00.38 | enmerkar | !tell humbolt about zombie |
| 11:00.43 | man_in_shack | themill, webbrowser points evince to a file in /tmp with a randomly generated filename that simply does not exist |
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| 11:01.14 | enmerkar | man_in_shack: if you just want the file, isn't it in the browser cache? |
| 11:01.33 | humbolt | enmerkar: well, it seems to consume all cpu?! |
| 11:01.36 | enmerkar | hm, no, probably not |
| 11:01.39 | man_in_shack | probably not |
| 11:02.09 | humbolt | and the parent process, that might be X itself then? |
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| 11:03.18 | man_in_shack | eew, arora seems to have its own weird cache file format |
| 11:03.27 | themill | man_in_shack: perhaps have a look at the exact arguments being sent to evince in /proc/$PID/cmdline to see if it's a quoting issue or similar. (An & or a space in the filename can cause this sort of problem if there's a misconfiguration in the launcher) |
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| 11:03.51 | man_in_shack | themill, that's how i worked out it's getting pointed to a file that doesn't exist |
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| 11:05.08 | Sia- | man_in_shack: are you tried this webbrowser http://code.google.com/p/arora/ ? |
| 11:05.20 | man_in_shack | Sia-, yes. it doesn't even start evince |
| 11:05.31 | Sia- | :( |
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| 11:05.52 | man_in_shack | but i can retrieve the file by doing a DOM inspection with it, loading that URL into the browser, then "Save page as" |
| 11:05.56 | man_in_shack | it's convoluted and painful |
| 11:06.33 | man_in_shack | you know what really bugs me though? it seems all my browsers try running acroread, which doesn't exist |
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| 11:07.34 | man_in_shack | ok, so this time around, epiphany-webkit has executed: evince /tmp/WKPSXAC1U |
| 11:07.47 | man_in_shack | and as far as i can tell, there has never been a filename with that name there |
| 11:08.02 | man_in_shack | maybe i should try setting up [id]notify on it |
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| 11:10.00 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 11:10.05 | gullstein | Anyone know how to make the initrd load kinit on boot |
| 11:10.09 | man_in_shack | i think i have an idea of what's going on here |
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| 11:10.25 | man_in_shack | just did a dnotify on /tmp and the file IS there for a fraction of a second |
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| 11:10.52 | man_in_shack | i think evince is starting up a subprocess then instantly quitting, which causes the browser to delete the temporary file |
| 11:11.00 | man_in_shack | but evince hasn't started opening the file yet |
| 11:11.11 | man_in_shack | does that makes sense to anyone? :) |
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| 11:17.45 | DevilChaos | hey guys |
| 11:18.22 | DevilChaos | i have a dual booting question bout grub if someone has a suggestion for me please |
| 11:18.41 | DevilChaos | im trying to dual boot debian + kubuntu 9.04 |
| 11:18.51 | DevilChaos | they are both on sep hd's |
| 11:19.14 | DevilChaos | and i need to get grub sorted to pick up kubuntu on the other hd |
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| 11:22.16 | sepult | is there a way to skip already built sources from rebuilding when building with apt-build |
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| 11:23.18 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/102714/ << sigh, if only i could find out what exactly is deleting the file |
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| 11:23.28 | DevilChaos | think peeps are still sleeping dude lol ;) |
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| 11:25.42 | macrobat | DevilChaos: os-prober, i dont know if it is availiable in lenny |
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| 11:26.29 | macrobat | it is |
| 11:27.01 | macrobat | bah |
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| 11:27.41 | MrDusty | Hey guys, I am trying to install dovecot from the repos but aptitude keeps flaking out with the following: http://pastebin.com/m4bec18fd anyone know how to resolve this ? |
| 11:27.42 | darkham | hey people, how can i set nautilus to watch refresh of copying file's dimension, when i'm in list view? |
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| 11:28.46 | petemc | MrDusty: what does hostname -f say? |
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| 11:30.04 | Wulf_ | Hello, how can I install debian via network? I always get "No kernel modules were found.", tried different netboot images |
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| 11:30.35 | petemc | Wulf_: you have a working pxe and tftp environment? |
| 11:30.45 | MrDusty | I have my hostname set in /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts and /etc/mailname |
| 11:30.58 | petemc | thats not what i asked |
| 11:31.08 | MrDusty | root@testbawx:~# hostname --fqdn |
| 11:31.08 | MrDusty | hostname: Unknown host |
| 11:31.08 | MrDusty | root@testbawx:~# |
| 11:31.11 | MrDusty | thats odd |
| 11:31.14 | petemc | thats your problem |
| 11:31.16 | Wulf_ | petemc: yes. the installer starts, but it fails during "Download installer components" |
| 11:31.18 | MrDusty | ok |
| 11:31.24 | MrDusty | hostname has 'mail' |
| 11:31.25 | petemc | Wulf_: you have a working pxe and tftp environment? |
| 11:31.35 | MrDusty | hosts has ip mail.framepointer.net mail |
| 11:31.41 | petemc | Wulf_: as in, you see the debian getting a kernel? |
| 11:31.44 | MrDusty | and mailname has mail.framepointe.rnet |
| 11:31.47 | MrDusty | what am i missing ? |
| 11:31.55 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.04 | fredl | what pkg should be installed for OpenGL X11 development? |
| 11:32.13 | MrDusty | petemc: it is configured correctly |
| 11:32.22 | petemc | it would appear it isnt |
| 11:32.23 | Wulf_ | petemc: what do you mean with "debian getting a kernel"? |
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| 11:32.32 | petemc | Wulf_: from the pxe/tftp server |
| 11:32.57 | Wulf_ | petemc: I think so. as I said, the installer starts |
| 11:33.12 | MrDusty | jesus christ |
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| 11:34.15 | Dumb0 | MrDusty, is it a prophet or a god ? |
| 11:34.56 | lucius_ | channel for debiann on eepc? |
| 11:35.03 | MrDusty | root@testbawx:~# cat /etc/hosts |
| 11:35.03 | MrDusty | 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 11:35.03 | MrDusty | 192.168.10.200mail.framepointer.netmail |
| 11:35.15 | MrDusty | erm not sure why my irc client interpreted the spaces as that but |
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| 11:35.31 | MrDusty | i dont see any issue with my hosts file petemc ? care to clarify ? |
| 11:35.41 | MrDusty | the line reads 192.168.10.200 mail.framepointer.net mail |
| 11:35.42 | MrDusty | ? |
| 11:36.12 | MrDusty | < _ruben> MrDusty: sounds like flakey debian packaging to me |
| 11:36.16 | MrDusty | sounds more likely |
| 11:36.18 | MrDusty | heh |
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| 11:37.02 | petemc | yes, flasky debian packaging is causing your hostname command to return unknown host |
| 11:37.04 | fredl | what pkg should be installed for OpenGL X11 development? |
| 11:37.15 | petemc | its always much easier to blame other people |
| 11:37.20 | haqe19 | who is bot here? |
| 11:37.24 | man_in_shack | bleh |
| 11:37.25 | man_in_shack | found the issue |
| 11:37.27 | man_in_shack | mozplugger |
| 11:38.07 | petemc | MrDusty: if you want to insult the people who volunteer their time to create debian, maybe youd best do it somewhere else |
| 11:38.20 | MrDusty | petemc: not insulting anyone. |
| 11:38.23 | Dumb0 | !bot |
| 11:38.24 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 11:38.39 | themill | MrDusty: why do you have the fqdn in mailname? |
| 11:39.02 | MrDusty | themill: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/prepare-the-system |
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| 11:39.07 | MrDusty | following that |
| 11:39.12 | themill | !tutorials |
| 11:39.13 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 11:39.20 | MrDusty | If your server has been upgraded from a former Debian 4.0 "Etch" installation then you may need to fix two files. First make sure that your /etc/hostname contains the host name without the domain part. It does that on Lenny by default but if you are upgrading from a previous "Etch" installation then this may be wrong. The file /etc/mailname is supposed to contain the fully-qualified host name with the domain part. |
| 11:39.34 | MrDusty | themill: now that is a retarted answer, go actually look at that tutorial. |
| 11:40.10 | MrDusty | petemc: care to explain why it returns unknown host when the hosts file is correct? |
| 11:40.19 | themill | MrDusty: none of my machines have the fqdn in /etc/mailname (only the domain part) and I don't have this problem... |
| 11:40.23 | Dumb0 | MrDusty, did you try "/bin/hostname -F /etc/hostname" to set your hostnames ? |
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| 11:41.37 | themill | MrDusty: I think it's unlikely to be an issue, but I'm not sure which is why I was asking. |
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| 11:42.21 | MrDusty | Dumb0: no I will try that now |
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| 11:43.13 | man_in_shack | now arora is being uncooperative |
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| 11:46.06 | MrDusty | Dumb0: thank you - that sorted it. |
| 11:46.39 | Dumb0 | MrDusty, k |
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| 11:47.27 | MrDusty | Dumb0: not quite sure why having to run that it fixed it ? |
| 11:47.34 | man_in_shack | gah |
| 11:47.46 | man_in_shack | mozplugger was also the thing causing arora to break :( |
| 11:47.52 | petemc | MrDusty: what does hostname -f return now? |
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| 11:48.42 | Dumb0 | MrDusty, the changes in /etc/hostname didn't take effect until you set it with earlier command |
| 11:49.12 | ToreadorVampire | Hey all - I'm using Squeeze/KDE4 and - can anyone suggest a way that I can get rid of KWrite from my system without trashing huge swathes of my KDE install? |
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| 11:50.19 | ToreadorVampire | If I try to remove kwrite through apt then it tries to remove a bundle of generic KDE metapackages which amount to "the core of the KDE4 system" |
| 11:50.33 | themill | ToreadorVampire: umm... why would you want to do that? |
| 11:51.01 | ToreadorVampire | themill: Well, I am probably going about it the wrong way - but in short I want my default text editor for everything to be kate |
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| 11:51.31 | MrDusty | petemc: the correct hostname |
| 11:51.34 | fredl | how do I test if I have hardware GL acceleration? |
| 11:51.41 | themill | ToreadorVampire: just change the file association then. (don't ask me how to do that in kde4 though... it's easy enough to do it in kde3) |
| 11:51.45 | ToreadorVampire | But going through KDE's file associations dialog, I can only change associations/default application on a MIMEtype-byMIMEtype basis ... |
| 11:52.07 | ToreadorVampire | themill: Oh, the GUI for changing the associations hasn't changed between KDE3 and KDE4 |
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| 11:52.47 | woshty | i am trying to use a 1366x768 resolution display with the cs nvidia driver. it does not work at all. nv works. any ideas? |
| 11:52.50 | ToreadorVampire | The issue is doing it en-masse ... I got annoyed after changing the 5th association by hand, and wanted some way to just get rid of kwrite altogether. |
| 11:53.23 | themill | ToreadorVampire: btw I found that using kate as a default text editor wasn't a great thing to do -- it's designed more for working on large projects not an individual file |
| 11:53.48 | themill | ToreadorVampire: (having said that, kate will have changed a fair bit for kde4 so maybe it makes more sense to do that again) |
| 11:53.57 | fredl | how do I test if I have hardware GL acceleration? |
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| 11:54.55 | man_in_shack | freddy, typically with: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 11:55.03 | man_in_shack | oops, @ fredl |
| 11:55.17 | man_in_shack | fredl, if you see "direct rendering: yes", that usually indicates hardware GL |
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| 11:57.53 | ToreadorVampire | themill: Hmm, the main issue is that kwrite is missing way too much functionality that I take for granted in kate ... syntax highlighting, rule-based indentation ... I'm a web developer and so I touch a lot of different documents in various markup/script/programming languages - I can't live without my syntax highlighting and file-switching |
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| 11:58.48 | ToreadorVampire | Anyway - maybe my question should instead be: "Anyone know of a way to totally remove kwrite from all file associations/default applications without having to do it manually for every darn mimetype?" |
| 11:59.19 | themill | ToreadorVampire: it is? Surely they didn't remove things like syntax highlighting from kwrite? |
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| 12:00.28 | ToreadorVampire | themill: Oh? it does sort of have those features, but not configurable in the way that kate is |
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| 12:01.08 | fredl | man_in_shack, tnx |
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| 12:02.04 | ToreadorVampire | Like - say I open a file that 'is an XML file but doesn't have an XML extension' (example: FreeMind mindmap documents) - kwrite can give it the wrong highlighting. In kwrite there is no Tools » Document Mode menu, so I can't force it to switch to XML highlighting, I have to put up with it's (incorrect) guess |
| 12:02.56 | ToreadorVampire | Also, my personal configurations for look-and-feel, I don't really want to maintain two configs for two apps that essentially do the same job, I |
| 12:03.03 | ToreadorVampire | 'd rather only use one app |
| 12:03.25 | themill | ToreadorVampire: #debian-kde on oftc might be a better place to ask |
| 12:04.06 | ToreadorVampire | I appreciate that I probably can't uninstall kwrite (I suppose I could hack it by renaming /usr/bin/kwrite then symlinking kate in its place) - but mmm ... |
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| 12:04.33 | ToreadorVampire | Well, I might try #kde here - mass-changing application associations feels like a general KDE4 question that isn |
| 12:04.42 | ToreadorVampire | 't related specifically to debian |
| 12:05.02 | ToreadorVampire | Also, darn enter key - been using other keyboards too much over the weekend, keep clipping it by accident :( |
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| 12:17.30 | yucatan1 | i'm looking for a good webinterface for rsync does some have any experience with this or can somebody gimme a advice about witch one i should take? |
| 12:18.00 | sepult | does dpkg unserstand cvs svn git or rsync too ? |
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| 12:18.16 | macrobat | ToreadorVampire: maybe try editor with update-alternatives --config |
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| 12:19.53 | yucatan1 | ? |
| 12:20.53 | jelly | sepult: what do you mean by "understand"? |
| 12:21.41 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 12:21.49 | man_in_shack | i have absolutely no idea why |
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| 12:22.02 | man_in_shack | but mozplugger is deleteing the pdf as soon as it downlods |
| 12:22.15 | sepult | jelly: as http or ftp method or whatever |
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| 12:22.45 | jelly | sepult: oh, then you mean apt, and the answer is no |
| 12:22.48 | simNIX | yucatan1, not yet tested here myself but maybe try backuppc |
| 12:22.53 | sepult | oh ok then |
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| 12:24.02 | man_in_shack | grrrrr |
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| 12:24.41 | psu3 | hi |
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| 12:25.18 | psu3 | i have 2 servers and would like to have both apache log in one file |
| 12:25.25 | psu3 | have you got an idea how i could manage this ? |
| 12:26.14 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/102747 << mozplugger is deleting the file before running the program that handles it :( |
| 12:26.20 | OpenTokix | psu3: Why? To make it more confusing? |
| 12:26.38 | psu3 | OpenTokix: no |
| 12:26.46 | OpenTokix | psu3: use cronolog for logration, and then merge logfiles later? |
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| 12:26.57 | psu3 | OpenTokix: i need something "live" |
| 12:27.22 | psu3 | i tried with remote ssh and tail both log into one file but it doesn't really work |
| 12:27.31 | jelly | psu3: make apache log to syslog and use remote syslog? |
| 12:27.34 | psu3 | i thought maybe there a package doing this more easilly |
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| 12:27.45 | ton | What is wrong here, because I can't view any users from Active Directory via "getent passwd" ? http://p.defau.lt/?V0IdQnNYgVJy6r4N_otRuA |
| 12:27.56 | jelly | psu3: why do you need this to be in realtime? |
| 12:28.00 | psu3 | jelly: i thought about this but i need also logs in local |
| 12:28.12 | jelly | !wayttd psu3 |
| 12:28.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, psu3? |
| 12:28.14 | psu3 | jelly: to use it with logstalgia (i'm serious) |
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| 12:28.51 | radoe | ton: and your nsswitch.conf knows that it should look into ldap? |
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| 12:29.43 | jelly | psu3: what's wrong with ssh remote tail -f access.log | yourapp ? |
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| 12:30.09 | psu3 | jelly: i need logs from both servers |
| 12:30.19 | OpenTokix | ahh, yeah - apache to syslog and then syslog-ng? |
| 12:30.19 | psu3 | one loadbalancer, and one with static files |
| 12:30.35 | psu3 | so i have 2 logs file |
| 12:30.56 | ton | radoe: yes, it looks like: passwd: files ldap |
| 12:30.57 | psu3 | OpenTokix: ok let's try syslog-ng |
| 12:31.01 | OpenTokix | no, yo uwill get one file on your syslog-machine |
| 12:31.19 | psu3 | ok thanks |
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| 12:36.45 | radoe | ton: please, no /query without asking first, lets keep this public... |
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| 12:37.04 | ton | okey |
| 12:37.11 | mjt | hello. Is there a way to move /media (the "desktop-automount" directory) to, say, /var/media or somesuch? I don't quite see where it's configured. |
| 12:37.17 | radoe | ton: yes, this looks ok. Are you using ncsd? |
| 12:37.30 | radoe | ton: *nscd |
| 12:37.33 | ton | yes, I'm using, but it is stoped. |
| 12:37.42 | ton | Mayby it caches somewhere.. |
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| 12:38.11 | radoe | ton: No, if it is really stopped, it is out of the way completely. |
| 12:38.36 | radoe | ton: please verify it is stopped. |
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| 12:39.36 | ton | radoe: http://p.defau.lt/?4F1_IYeYVb2rmtLazMHbsw |
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| 12:42.37 | [003aLinux] | How would i restart mysqld ?Where is it ? in /etc/ ? |
| 12:42.49 | radoe | ton: if you use ldapsearch, starting at your base dn, do you see your LDAP objects? |
| 12:42.53 | [003aLinux] | ? |
| 12:42.56 | man_in_xchat | yes, the script is somewhere in /etc/ |
| 12:42.58 | asg | [003aLinux]: /etc/init.d/mysql-server |
| 12:43.02 | ToreadorVampire | [003aLinux]: /etc/init.d/mysql restart « probably what you want |
| 12:43.52 | ToreadorVampire | Wait, mysql-server or just mysql? It though it was just "mysql" - nevermind - type mysql then try tab autocomplete - it's in /etc/init.d/ either way |
| 12:44.00 | man_in_shack | you people are too generous ;P |
| 12:44.01 | man_in_shack | :P |
| 12:44.01 | asg | ToreadorVampire: mysql |
| 12:44.03 | ton | radoe yep, I use ldapsearch -H ldap://10.1.1.1:389 -b "dc=donatas,dc=lt" -D "cn=LDAP,cn=Users,dc=donatas,dc=lt" -W -x |
| 12:44.13 | ton | and it returns all users |
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| 12:44.54 | ToreadorVampire | /etc/init.d/ is whre you find all of the "daemon start/stop/restart/reload init scripts" in debian-based OSs |
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| 12:45.06 | [003aLinux] | Ok |
| 12:45.12 | radoe | ton: do you need your binddn and bindpw to just list your LDAP entries? |
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| 12:46.00 | asg | radoe: that dependson if your LDAP allows annonymous binds |
| 12:46.00 | ton | I don't know, I never tried to binddn as anonymous |
| 12:46.05 | asg | radoe: if it's AD, then probably not by default |
| 12:46.07 | ton | but I think here is not a problem |
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| 12:49.19 | radoe | ton: messages in syslog? Btw, your first paste was /etc/libnss-ldap.conf, right? |
| 12:49.32 | ton | radoe: yes |
| 12:49.36 | ton | syslog empty. |
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| 12:49.59 | ton | getent passwd return the same as /etc/passwd |
| 12:50.44 | radoe | ton: If I were you, I would grab my strace now... |
| 12:51.08 | ton | strace getent passwd ? |
| 12:51.53 | Foxx_ | any ideas why the second include in a preseed would fail ? i.e. d-i preseed/include partitioning.seed kernel.seed packages.seed - kernel.seed will always fail for me |
| 12:52.30 | zrin | I'd like to hear you personal comments on raid6 vs. raid10 -f2 vs. raid10 -n2, it shall be used as storage for backups |
| 12:52.48 | man_in_shack | ew, raid10 |
| 12:53.14 | radoe | ton: Yes, just to see which nss-libs and which configfiles where read and if something failed... |
| 12:53.26 | man_in_shack | raid6 has two redundant drives. if one dies, you still have a buffer of one drive that can die while you rebuild the replacement drive |
| 12:53.53 | radoe | ton: for a first look I would add a -eopen too.. |
| 12:54.02 | ton | radoe okey, I'll review it. |
| 12:54.04 | zrin | man_in_shack: isn't that true for raid10 with 3 copies as well? |
| 12:54.22 | zrin | was it raid10 -n3 ? |
| 12:54.42 | man_in_shack | zrin, perhaps, but with raid10, certain configurations of dead drives will destroy all your data |
| 12:54.45 | ton | radoe: http://p.defau.lt/?HPc05NA7iT80ewD9M_OA_w |
| 12:54.55 | man_in_shack | with raid6, any two drives can die and you still have all your data |
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| 12:55.35 | man_in_shack | raid10, raid0+1 etc are all sucky cheap bullcrap |
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| 12:56.29 | zrin | man_in_shack: are you sure? I thought, the new dm raid10 -n3 (or -f3) can survive any 2 drives failing |
| 12:57.16 | man_in_shack | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid10#RAID_10_.28RAID_1.2B0.29 << no |
| 12:58.14 | zrin | man_in_shack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10 |
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| 12:59.31 | jelly | zrin: not many users choose to lose two thirds of raw data |
| 12:59.43 | jelly | s/data/storage size/, sorry |
| 12:59.56 | robin_sz | so .. I installed the nice shiny Sun JRE+JDK1.5 via apt-get, made sure my update-java-alternatives was set to use it . and then tried to install tomcat5.5 ... and thats still saying it want to install gcj ... what do i need to do to convince it I already have a Java |
| 12:59.58 | zrin | jelly: I have 6 drives |
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| 13:00.18 | man_in_shack | i don't see anything there that specifically talks about redundancy or data security |
| 13:00.21 | zrin | jelly: I c, you're right |
| 13:00.26 | robin_sz | or let it install gcj and then purge it? |
| 13:01.03 | man_in_shack | robin_sz, why not install openjdk instead? :) |
| 13:01.12 | zrin | man_in_shack: neither do I, therfore my question, but I assume md raid10 with 3 copies can survive loss of two drives |
| 13:01.43 | robin_sz | prefer sun jdk, tried gcj, useless, prefer to stick to known good java |
| 13:01.45 | man_in_shack | zrin, assuming can be dangerous |
| 13:02.32 | man_in_shack | zrin, with "standard" raid10, it's obvious that if you lose all drives in one raid0 set, you're screwed |
| 13:02.38 | zrin | man_in_shack: true, I'll better test it |
| 13:02.43 | man_in_shack | raid6 allows you to lose ANY two drives and still have data |
| 13:03.08 | man_in_shack | robin_sz, i've found openjdk works just as well as sun jdk |
| 13:03.17 | man_in_shack | and icedtea is nice |
| 13:03.55 | radoe | ton: hmm, it's not reading libnss-ldap.conf. You said yo have configured it there? |
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| 13:04.35 | themill | robin_sz: can you please pastebin "apt-cache policy sun-java5-jre tomcat5.5" and the full output of "aptitude install tomcat5.5" for us? |
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| 13:05.23 | solar_sea | Is the amd64 port fully usable - I mean can I run the most often used applications without creating a 32bit chroot installation? |
| 13:05.51 | man_in_shack | solar_sea, yes, you can run applications like bash, grep, etc .... what do you mean by "most often used"? |
| 13:06.22 | solar_sea | man_in_shack: user tools, gui oriented - open office, inkscape, eclipse, firefox with flash, etc |
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| 13:07.37 | man_in_shack | yes to all of those |
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| 13:08.17 | solar_sea | man_in_shack: very well, thanks :) |
| 13:08.46 | man_in_shack | when amd64 port was first being developed, openoffice wasn't 64bit-friendly |
| 13:08.53 | man_in_shack | that changed years ago ;) |
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| 13:09.58 | radoe | ton: just for the records, the "root@rhel-53" in your prompt does not say that your system is actually running centos or rhel instead of debian? |
| 13:10.01 | themill | solar_sea: flash can be a bit messy with amd64. As is skype. Non-free crap where the developers can't be bothered being clever is where it's a problem. |
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| 13:10.41 | solar_sea | themill are there versions of those that will work stable ? I don't really aim for their latest features, though I have to be able to use them once in a while |
| 13:10.59 | radoe | ton: If so, libnss-ldap.conf is just the wrong place (as is this channel then...) |
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| 13:12.47 | man_in_shack | solar_sea, themill, there is the flashplugin-nonfree package that works surprisingly well :P |
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| 13:13.31 | themill | man_in_shack: yeah, that's what I thought... but why do we have a procession of people coming through here not being able to get flash to work on amd64 then? (I just use i386...) |
| 13:14.16 | man_in_shack | because "surprisingly well" means it doesn't crash iceweasel when it loads |
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| 13:14.37 | man_in_shack | also, flashblock is EXTREMELY handy for iceweasel on amd64 |
| 13:15.02 | man_in_shack | i've found recent changes to gmail's built-in chat and facebook tend to crash flashplugin and iceweasel |
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| 13:15.40 | man_in_shack | flashblock cures that, and has the bonus effect of permanently disabling audio notifications from such evil websites |
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| 13:15.54 | solar_sea | and does the chat work at all ? |
| 13:16.10 | man_in_shack | yes. the chat is javascript-based |
| 13:16.26 | man_in_shack | just that it uses flash to play notifications |
| 13:16.26 | robin_sz | themill, doing it now .. |
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| 13:17.06 | solar_sea | Alright, another one. If I install debian through a vmware-based machine on a real partition, will be able later to just add it to my boot manager and run it ? |
| 13:17.19 | ToreadorVampire | tends to disable the chat embedded in the web page completely. If it's a chat/IM service then I use pidgin to interact with it ... |
| 13:17.30 | ToreadorVampire | (well, except IRC, where I use xchat) |
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| 13:17.50 | solar_sea | On first read, I think I'll run into hard drive naming issues, as it will be /dev/sda1 for the vmware and /dev/sda4 for example for the real machine |
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| 13:18.36 | robin_sz | themill, http://www.pastebin.ca/1594448 |
| 13:18.46 | petemc | solar_sea: there are plenty of paths for virtual to physical or vice versa, google for v2p for example |
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| 13:19.34 | solar_sea | petemc: so this was the term, thanks :) |
| 13:20.01 | petemc | np |
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| 13:24.39 | themill | robin_sz: "aptitude why tomcat5.5 gcj-4.3-base" will probably answer your question. It might be that disabling recommends helps here, or it might be that one package has been a little inflexible in its approach to stating dependencies. |
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| 13:27.13 | robin_sz | themill, OK, let me check ... |
| 13:27.55 | themill | actually, that might not tell you at all.... "aptitude install tomcat5.5 gcj-4.3-base:" might though |
| 13:28.33 | robin_sz | themill, I get: aptitude why tomcat5.5 gcj-4.3-base \n p tomcat5.5 Depends default-jdk | java2-runtime-headless | java2-runtime p gij-4.3 Provides java2-runtime-headless p gij-4.3 Depends gcj-4.3-base (= 4.3.2-2) |
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| 13:29.33 | negge | does anyone know if the volume group size shown with "vgdisplay" uses 1kB = 1000B or 1024? |
| 13:29.48 | negge | or more exactly, do the outputs from "vgdisplay" and "df -h" use the same kind of units? |
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| 13:31.32 | robin_sz | I have actually managed to install it before by just lettign it install gcj, and then purging it again afterwards |
| 13:31.51 | robin_sz | but seems .. messy |
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| 13:35.35 | zrin | what is the correct (TM) way to get (new) squeeze's lvm2 into lenny? |
| 13:36.21 | zrin | i.e. shall I mix lenny and squeeze (pinning) or build or sth. else? |
| 13:37.24 | negge | also, another question. I'm getting "uknown fs type 'xfs'" when trying to mount an XFS partition, and I'm getting "FATAL: module xfs not found" when running modprobe xfs. I have compiled my own kernel, and it could be that I left out support for it. Is there any way of loading that module without recompiling (and thus rebooting)? |
| 13:37.46 | themill | robin_sz: "aptitude install -W -v install tomcat5.5" gives a lot more information about why things are being installed and will answer this question (it's a recommends from one of the ecj packages, it seems). You could turn off recommends for this step which might help, but you might find yourself going back and installing packages later. /msg dpkg apt recomments |
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| 13:39.18 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm using ssh -X but trying to play a .mp3 with vlc on the commandline gives me " Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly? " What do I need to set? |
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| 13:39.30 | valio | hi |
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| 13:40.04 | valio | I want to ask you how can I exit rdesktop if I've run it with rdesktop -f host |
| 13:40.25 | jpinx-eeepc | valio: close the window? |
| 13:40.27 | valio | the only way I know is to shutdown the host computer |
| 13:40.31 | valio | no |
| 13:40.32 | asg | valio: ctrl+alt+enter should minimize it from fullscreen |
| 13:40.36 | valio | it is in full screen |
| 13:40.40 | valio | is there any hotkey |
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| 13:40.49 | valio | so I can exit full screen |
| 13:40.53 | valio | ok |
| 13:41.02 | jpinx-eeepc | valio try F11 maybe? |
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| 13:41.22 | valio | ctrl+alt+enter worked |
| 13:41.23 | themill | Ctrl+Alt for a lot of these things |
| 13:41.23 | valio | thankyou |
| 13:41.31 | mjt | why gnome (hal?) lets me mount vfat on /dev/sdaN (vfat partitions on my hard drive)? the device itself is root:disk (unlike root:floppy for removable media), and I don't remember any extra permissions beyong "mount removable media". |
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| 13:44.18 | buntfalke | how to preven a dynamically linked library from searching for it's libs anywhere except in "/my/path"? |
| 13:44.26 | buntfalke | +t, prevenT |
| 13:44.58 | mjt | buntfalke: a library does not search its libs |
| 13:45.12 | buntfalke | I meant binary. |
| 13:45.13 | mjt | buntfalke: it's done by a dynamic linker |
| 13:45.46 | buntfalke | So, I have a dynamically linked application, and I would like it to find my own versions of the libs, when searching. |
| 13:45.55 | mjt | and the search path is $LD_LIBRARY_PATH; path hardcoded into binary; system-wide path. |
| 13:46.03 | mjt | you can't omit system path |
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| 13:46.21 | themill | buntfalke: "man ld.so", but if you're fiddling with these things, then you're generally doing something wrong anyway |
| 13:46.37 | buntfalke | I can't omit system path? hmm, that sounds silly...why wouldnt i be allowed to... |
| 13:46.42 | robin_sz | themill, I declined aptitudes first suggestion and let it get on leaving the some stuff broken/missing .. seems to run OK so far. the big problem with gcj is it doenst have a security manager, so its mostly broken for many tomcat webapps |
| 13:46.52 | buntfalke | themill: i just wanna learn and play |
| 13:46.59 | buntfalke | themill: thanks, i'll read up |
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| 13:48.07 | themill | robin_sz: either "aptitude -R install tomcat5.5" or "aptitude -r install tomcat5.5 libgcj-bc: libecj-java-gcj: ant-gcj: ant-optional-gcj: libxerces2-java-gcj: liblog4j1.2-java-gcj: libjaxp1.3-java-gcj:" will work. (don't ask about the second one....) |
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| 13:48.52 | buntfalke | mjt: why can't i omit the system path? |
| 13:49.08 | mjt | because it's written that way? |
| 13:49.21 | mjt | it's how ld.so works |
| 13:49.49 | zrin | what could cause less to not accept keystrokes any more? any (key) input is echoed, the only way to quit less is ctrl-Z; kill; fg |
| 13:50.35 | buntfalke | mjt: well, i thought there might be a technical / functional reason for that |
| 13:50.36 | zrin | "more" is behaving normally on the same system |
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| 13:50.50 | mjt | buntfalke: because, well, it's not necessary |
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| 13:51.46 | mjt | maybe you've a technical reason why it IS necessary... |
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| 13:56.36 | mjt | ok, who mounts removable media by request of gnome, and why that "who" does not honour my mount options in /system/storage/default_options/... ? |
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| 13:56.51 | mjt | and who grants the mount permissions to users? |
| 13:57.54 | Titan8990 | mjt, HAL and gnome-volume-manager |
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| 13:59.31 | zrin | searching for "less" is nightmare ... I'll be very thankful for any hint on why the pager "less" might start echoing and otherwise ignoring any keyboard input :S |
| 13:59.33 | mjt | ok, that's something |
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| 14:00.15 | mjt | ..except that there's no documentation about how to assign permissions :) |
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| 14:03.52 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 14:05.13 | mjt | Titan8990: can you give a bit of more info please? |
| 14:06.03 | Titan8990 | mjt, ehh no... i just know that after gentoo pushed out xorg-server 1.5 with HAL support, I could then mount and use removable devices as a regular user |
| 14:06.05 | mjt | gnome-volume-manager is of no use. There's no config file for it, and the only mentioned reference (gnome-volume-properties) does not talk about filesystem mount options and/or permissions |
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| 14:06.24 | Titan8990 | and know that gnome-volume-manager is involved with gnome auto-mounting... so just trying to shoot you in the right direction |
| 14:06.27 | mjt | and hal by its own is a black box |
| 14:06.39 | mjt | ah.. i see :) |
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| 14:07.00 | Titan8990 | gnome-volume-manager is probably configured via gconf if all |
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| 14:11.21 | Zvpun_ | is there a program that guesses the encoding of a txt (or .tex) file? |
| 14:11.56 | justin | Zvpun_: file ? |
| 14:12.26 | Zvpun_ | % file Vortrag.tex |
| 14:12.26 | Zvpun_ | Vortrag.tex: LaTeX 2e document text |
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| 14:13.01 | themill | Zvpun_: encoding isn't something that can be guessed easily, that's why you have to declare it in an inputenc command |
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| 14:13.22 | Zvpun_ | themill: I know but from an ä you can guess whether its iso-8859-15 or utf-8 |
| 14:13.32 | themill | Zvpun_: or \"a |
| 14:13.54 | Zvpun_ | themill: I am still searching for a utility to guess |
| 14:14.12 | Hasanibrahim1 | hello all, i am a user of ubuntu, and apologize to ask in here "an ubuntu problem" but i coulnd't find a solution at #ubuntu |
| 14:14.24 | Hasanibrahim1 | i coulnd't connect internet with wired connection |
| 14:14.25 | themill | dpkg: tell Hasanibrahim1 about they don't know |
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| 14:14.35 | Zvpun_ | justin: infact file does detect uft-8 if I remove the documentclass. |
| 14:14.46 | Hasanibrahim1 | whaT's the possible problem do you think ? |
| 14:14.47 | negge | if I reboot into a new kernel with kexec, will the uptime counter be reset? |
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| 14:14.55 | justin | Zvpun_: yeah, I was going to suggest that.. there may be an option for file to show all possible tpes |
| 14:15.16 | justin | Zvpun_: ah. try file -k |
| 14:15.28 | themill | Zvpun_: if you can guess the language already (e.g. you know it's .de) then you could just grep for the particular byte sequences to detect them... (btw file possibly doesn't scan the entire file to actually verify the contents) |
| 14:15.52 | asg | Hasanibrahim1: try ubuntuforums.org |
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| 14:16.39 | Zvpun_ | themill: I am reading wikipedias utf8 article to deduce the encoding from the byte representation of ä as 0x00e4. |
| 14:16.43 | Hasanibrahim1 | asg | themill : i tried search google or ubuntu forums and this is my last place to ask it |
| 14:16.56 | Hasanibrahim1 | i know here is not trrue place |
| 14:16.59 | shad0w | hello everyone |
| 14:17.08 | shad0w | im trying to configure my synaptics touchpad |
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| 14:17.25 | shad0w | anyone who can help me? |
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| 14:19.45 | lsd | ͱ |
| 14:19.50 | Arathorn | hi all - how do I get a termcap file in lenny (so that perl's Term::Cap works)? |
| 14:20.47 | Arathorn | s/how do I get/where do I find/ |
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| 14:22.34 | mjt | Arathorn: /lib/terminfo and /usr/share/terminfo |
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| 14:23.49 | Arathorn | hm, Term::Cap looks for a file called /etc/termcap or /usr/share/misc/termcap |
| 14:24.01 | themill | !termcap |
| 14:24.01 | dpkg | it has been said that termcap is the old fashioned way of describing terminal capabilities and has not been used by debian since sarge. If you want to compile a program that claims to need termcap, try the ncurses termcap emulation instead. It's as simple as linking with ncurses instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the makefile) and /etc/termcap is not required. |
| 14:24.02 | Arathorn | whereas terminfo is a separate (incompatible) lib, no? |
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| 14:24.16 | dubphil | Hello, I've just noticed that postfix is no longer installed in a chroot environment (perhaps since Lenny), anyone can tell me why ? |
| 14:24.33 | Arathorn | right, i get that the terminfo library has succeeded the termcap files |
| 14:24.36 | Arathorn | wonders where that leaves him :/ |
| 14:25.06 | \amethyst | Arathorn: I believe Term::Cap can use terminfo |
| 14:25.21 | Arathorn | ah, right, indeed |
| 14:25.25 | Arathorn | finds the # last resort--fake up a termcap from terminfo |
| 14:25.29 | Arathorn | wonders why that's not working, then |
| 14:25.30 | Arathorn | thanks :) |
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| 14:26.03 | Arathorn | heh: infocmp: symbol lookup error: infocmp: undefined symbol: _nc_disable_period |
| 14:26.13 | Arathorn | disappears to fix - thanks again for pointers |
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| 14:27.00 | \amethyst | Arathorn: e.g. perl -e 'require Term::Cap; print Term::Cap->Tgetent({ TERM => "xterm" })->Tputs("cl");' works for me, and I certainly don't have a termcap |
| 14:27.20 | Arathorn | \amethyst: yup, with you. turns out my terminfo install is borked |
| 14:27.36 | jelly | right, it ought to "just work"... it's not 1995! |
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| 14:27.57 | Arathorn | sorted - my ncurses-bin was randomly stale |
| 14:28.00 | jelly | Arathorn: do you have a TERMINFO env.var set? |
| 14:28.06 | zrin | less is driving me crazy :( ... less --help ... "HELP -- Press RETURN for more, or q when doneqqqqqqqqq" ... nothing happens |
| 14:28.14 | jelly | (or TERMCAP) |
| 14:28.54 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to invert colors using ffmpeg? |
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| 14:29.39 | negge | zrin: works fine for me |
| 14:29.44 | \amethyst | zrin: what kind of terminal are you running it in? |
| 14:29.57 | \amethyst | zrin: Linux console, xterm, rxvt, ... |
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| 14:30.16 | zrin | \amethyst: tried over ssh connection, local terminal (console) and xterm -all the same |
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| 14:30.32 | \amethyst | zrin: is $TERM set correctly? |
| 14:30.43 | \amethyst | zrin: e.g. in xterm it should be TERM=xterm or TERM=xterm-256color |
| 14:30.53 | zrin | \amethyst: it's xterm |
| 14:31.00 | jelly | notices a temporal clustering of TERM related questions |
| 14:31.22 | \amethyst | zrin: does it only happen with less --help, or also when you're lessing a file? |
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| 14:31.56 | zrin | \amethyst: with text files as well |
| 14:32.26 | zrin | \amethyst: more behaves correctly, as does aptitude for example |
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| 14:32.51 | \amethyst | zrin: did this just start happenning recently, or has it always done this in this install? |
| 14:34.15 | zrin | \amethyst: I did upgrade from etch to lenny, but I'm not sure if it started right after upgrade |
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| 14:34.45 | zrin | \amethyst: I have several other systems that were upgraded to lenny without problems |
| 14:35.00 | zrin | \amethyst: ... and without that specific problem |
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| 14:35.51 | \amethyst | zrin: do you have $LESSOPEN or $LESSCLOSE defined by any chance? |
| 14:35.52 | zrin | \amethyst: do you have any ide how to debug it? |
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| 14:36.04 | zrin | \amethyst: no |
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| 14:37.04 | \amethyst | zrin: hm... |
| 14:37.22 | \amethyst | zrin: what version of less? |
| 14:37.31 | \amethyst | zrin: of the less package that is (dpkg -l less) |
| 14:38.29 | zrin | \amethyst: 418-1, but I also tested 436-1 from squeeze |
| 14:38.44 | lsd | zrin, i've had exactly that happen on a bunch of our servers here when upgrading to lenny |
| 14:39.02 | lsd | ended up having to manually piece together some important locale files before things started working again |
| 14:39.04 | zrin | lsd: any other symptoms? |
| 14:39.16 | lsd | i can't offer much more help, it was a while ago and i didn't write anything down :) |
| 14:39.24 | lsd | the boxes were fairly disabled though |
| 14:39.27 | zrin | lsd: thank you for the light at the end of the tunnel ;) |
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| 14:39.31 | \amethyst | zrin: what about libncurses5 ? |
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| 14:40.28 | tonhe | Could someone give me a hand with procmail? I did a system update/upgrade this morning and it seems to be broken now.. |
| 14:40.33 | \amethyst | zrin: also check the other ncurses-related packages (ncurses-bin, ncurses-term, libncursesw5) |
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| 14:41.11 | tonhe | New mail isn't being processed by my ~/.procmailrc script (verified by that scripts log file) |
| 14:41.23 | \amethyst | zrin: if they look like they're at the correct version for lenny, you could try reinstalling them all |
| 14:41.33 | zrin | \amethyst: I just installed libncurses5 from squeeze - no change |
| 14:42.51 | zrin | \amethyst: ncurses-term isn't installed |
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| 14:43.20 | \amethyst | zrin: it shouldn't be necessary anyway if you're using TERM=xterm |
| 14:43.29 | zrin | \amethyst: could it be that less is missing a dependancy |
| 14:43.31 | \amethyst | zrin: just making sure you didn't end up with an old version somehow |
| 14:44.12 | zrin | \amethyst: specific for this system is that it has minimal configuration without X |
| 14:44.13 | \amethyst | zrin: the dependencies look okay... it's only linked against libncurses5, and that is a dependency |
| 14:44.34 | \amethyst | zrin: you have the lenny ncurses-bin ? |
| 14:44.42 | zrin | \amethyst: yes |
| 14:44.47 | \amethyst | hm |
| 14:45.09 | \amethyst | zrin: it may be as lsd said some old terminal descriptions |
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| 14:46.17 | \amethyst | zrin: do you have anything in /etc/terminfo (especially an xterm description)? if so, and you move them out of the way, does it fix anything |
| 14:46.31 | \amethyst | oh, lsd said locale files |
| 14:46.35 | zrin | \amethyst: just README |
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| 14:46.42 | \amethyst | zrin: that's fine then |
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| 14:46.52 | helo | how important is it for raid-1 disks to be identical? |
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| 14:47.14 | Kobaz | they should be the same size, same cache, and same seek speeds |
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| 14:47.37 | pim_ | try google |
| 14:47.38 | pim_ | http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/164636-31-raid-newbie-question-identical-disks |
| 14:47.46 | Kobaz | i use different models for mirrors though... many times if a drive is bad... many other drives from that batch are bad |
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| 14:47.49 | zrin | \amethyst: I started dpkg-reconfigure console-data: the menu isn't working, it's echoing keyboard input as well |
| 14:47.55 | TooMeeK | hi |
| 14:48.01 | tonhe | Could someone give me a hand with procmail? I did a system update/upgrade this morning and it seems to be broken now.. |
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| 14:48.04 | tonhe | New mail isn't being processed by my ~/.procmailrc script (verified by that scripts log file) |
| 14:48.05 | phix | hey |
| 14:48.14 | phix | Has any one got SOGo working under Debian Lenny? |
| 14:48.22 | TooMeeK | question about HFSC anyone |
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| 14:48.47 | phix | hmmmmm |
| 14:49.09 | justin | !+ask |
| 14:49.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:49.26 | \amethyst | zrin: you might be able to avoid that problem by using dpkg-reconfigure -freadline |
| 14:49.30 | tonhe | justin: tried that.. twice now :D |
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| 14:49.37 | tonhe | justin: nad yeah, I know you're not talking to me |
| 14:50.00 | \amethyst | zrin: lsd mentioned a locale problem, you might try dpkg-reconfigure -freadline locales |
| 14:50.10 | \amethyst | zrin: but honestly I'm stumped |
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| 14:52.01 | zrin | \amethyst: I think I found it |
| 14:52.37 | \amethyst | zrin: oh? |
| 14:52.49 | zrin | \amethyst: /dev/tty was linked to /dev/console |
| 14:52.51 | TooMeeK | ok, question: |
| 14:52.58 | \amethyst | zrin: wtf? |
| 14:53.04 | \amethyst | zrin: how does something like that even happen? |
| 14:53.15 | \amethyst | zrin: that would do it, though |
| 14:53.19 | zrin | \amethyst: I'll test again ... startup scripts |
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| 14:54.29 | \amethyst | zrin: any program trying to read from the controlling tty (that didn't use stdin or stderr) would instead end up reading from the active VT |
| 14:54.29 | zrin | \amethyst: yes, that's it |
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| 14:55.17 | zrin | \amethyst: phew ... thank you very much for your company! |
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| 14:56.14 | \amethyst | zrin: It would still be nice to know how that happened... a udev-kernel incompatibility, operator error, a bad maintainer script in some package, ... ? |
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| 14:57.32 | tonhe | Seriously? No one here knows anything about procmail ? |
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| 14:58.14 | \amethyst | tonhe: it's possible that your MTA config changed so as not to use procmail, but I am not at all an exim expert |
| 14:58.16 | void_pointer | tonhe, dude, check your configs from your MTA on down ... |
| 14:58.26 | \amethyst | tonhe: so I wouldn't know what exactly to check |
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| 14:58.32 | asdzxc | hi |
| 14:58.37 | void_pointer | tonhe, almost certainly it was altered during the upgrade |
| 14:58.38 | lsd | zrin, my bad! seems my issues were nothing like yours, sorry :) |
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| 14:58.42 | asdzxc | is there a way how can i limit memory amount per user ? |
| 14:58.46 | tonhe | void_pointer: I'm using postfix |
| 14:58.57 | void_pointer | tonhe, most likely the the procmail entry in main.cf then |
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| 14:59.10 | Kobaz | what's a good way to disable avahi |
| 14:59.10 | kpoorman | is there a way to run part of the debian build scripts as a user rather than root / fakeroot ? |
| 14:59.19 | tonhe | void_pointer: well external deliver command is still /usr/bin/procmail-wrapper -o -a $DOMAIN -d $LOGNAME |
| 14:59.24 | Kobaz | if i have avahi running... local dns lookups get foobar'd |
| 14:59.24 | tonhe | which is what i thought it should be |
| 14:59.37 | kpoorman | Kobaz: you can run /etc/init.d/avahi stop |
| 14:59.44 | \amethyst | Kobaz: edit /etc/nsswitch.conf get rid of the mdns stuff for 'hosts' |
| 14:59.55 | Kobaz | kpoorman: yeah i know i can stop it |
| 14:59.57 | Kobaz | \amethyst: k |
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| 15:00.03 | \amethyst | Kobaz: e.g. hosts: files dns instead of hosts: files mdns_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns |
| 15:00.07 | Titan8990 | Kobaz, thats usually because it adds search entries to your resolv.conf and then tries to make mdns queries (if you cared) |
| 15:00.09 | void_pointer | tonhe, hmm, maybe ask in #postfix. They probably see it all the time |
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| 15:00.21 | Kobaz | \amethyst: yeah, k |
| 15:00.23 | justin | kpoorman: the point of fakeroot is to run stuff as a user... |
| 15:00.28 | tonhe | void_pointer: they're all asleep |
| 15:00.36 | TooMeeK | I have Debian Lenny running on my own kernel 2.6.30.8-my.3.0.imq+hfsc+raid+sata, self compiled iptables v. 1.4.5 with IMQ patch and iproute2-ss090324. |
| 15:00.37 | void_pointer | tonhe, just like I'm about to do ;) |
| 15:00.37 | void_pointer | ciao |
| 15:00.38 | Kobaz | Titan8990: it's not the search entries, it's something else |
| 15:00.38 | TooMeeK | It's production environment so I have firewall running here. I would like to add to my firewall script QoS using HFSC. I have 2 internet connections - 2 x DSL 2Mbit/256 kbps. I have to set queues for: VPN, VoIP, POP3/POP3S, SMTP/SMTPS, DNS for both of DSLs. P2P is not allowed (blocked on Layer7 module). |
| 15:00.40 | TooMeeK | I'm trying to adjust scripts from Inet.one.pl but without success. Any advice? |
| 15:00.52 | Kobaz | Titan8990: like, dns lookups take 10 times longer with avahi running |
| 15:00.52 | \amethyst | Kobaz: then it doesn't matter whether it's running or not, hostname lookups won't go to mDNS/zeroconf/avahi at all |
| 15:00.53 | tonhe | great |
| 15:00.53 | kpoorman | justin: we're using it to build packages from our svn server, and the svn export commands are being run as root not the user... |
| 15:00.55 | Kobaz | \amethyst: sounds good |
| 15:01.15 | Titan8990 | Kobaz, because its waiting for mdns to time out before making a regular query |
| 15:01.21 | Kobaz | Titan8990: yeah, probably |
| 15:01.27 | justin | kpoorman: ok, so use su or similar to run them as whatever user you want |
| 15:01.36 | kpoorman | Ok. |
| 15:01.50 | zrin | \amethyst: there is a script that fetches the key or password for dmcrypt volume containing root, I've copied it from some howto - it asks for password if it cannot fetch the key from floppy or usb |
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| 15:02.28 | \amethyst | zrin: and it does something evil with /dev/tty ? |
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| 15:02.40 | zrin | \amethyst: this script does ln -s /dev/console /dev/tty |
| 15:02.47 | \amethyst | zrin: noooooo! |
| 15:02.55 | zrin | \amethyst: I have yet to find out why |
| 15:03.04 | \amethyst | zrin: I guess /dev/tty doesn't exist yet when it's called |
| 15:03.20 | zrin | \amethyst: true |
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| 15:03.42 | \amethyst | zrin: what if you have it rm /dev/tty at the end of that script? then does /dev/tty get created correctly later on |
| 15:03.44 | zrin | \amethyst: so I might just add rm /dev/tty |
| 15:04.01 | zrin | \amethyst: exactly :) |
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| 15:05.19 | \amethyst | zrin: oh... google shows me one dm-crypt script that does rm /dev/tty; ln -s /dev/console /dev/tty |
| 15:05.34 | d1b | \amethyst: don't believe them all |
| 15:05.49 | zrin | \amethyst: yes, that's the one |
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| 15:06.11 | \amethyst | zrin: so just rm /dev/tty at the end isn't enough, you'd also need to mknod the real one again |
| 15:06.20 | zrin | \amethyst: I see |
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| 15:06.47 | \amethyst | zrin: I guess the controlling tty is not yet set up at that point, and that gpg or cryptsetup is using /dev/tty |
| 15:06.49 | mjt | hmm. what are you doing? /dev/tty is NOT the same as /dev/console |
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| 15:06.55 | TooMeeK | I see nobody can help me |
| 15:07.03 | zrin | \amethyst: what about mv /dev/tty /dev/tty.tmp ... and back? |
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| 15:07.24 | \amethyst | mjt: there is some evil linuxrc out there that does rm /dev/tty; ln -s /dev/console /dev/tty before running gpg and cryptsetup |
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| 15:07.39 | mjt | oh |
| 15:07.59 | mjt | but linuxrc sounds... like a relic from stone age :) |
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| 15:08.51 | zrin | mjt: I need to run for example ccrypt -d /etc/key1 during boot, to ask for password |
| 15:08.52 | mjt | linuxrc indeed runs without controlling terminal, so /dev/tty does not quite work when gpg tries to ask the passphrase. |
| 15:09.15 | \amethyst | mjt: ah, that would be why they do that then |
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| 15:09.39 | \amethyst | and I guess it doesn't fix itself because it expects /dev to be replaced ? |
| 15:09.44 | zrin | would mv /dev/tty /dev/tty.tmp and back work? |
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| 15:10.14 | mjt | the whole linuxrc thing is well, obsolete |
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| 15:11.18 | zrin | mjt: can you suggest how to ask for password from keyscript during boot? |
| 15:11.22 | \amethyst | mjt: I don't know anything about dm-crypt, perhaps you could help zrin do what he wants in a non-obsolete way? |
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| 15:11.49 | mjt | it's not about dm-crypt (I don't know it too) |
| 15:11.54 | mjt | it's about the way how linux boots |
| 15:12.00 | pappanz | uhm... hello. I am trying to install debian from a pendrive. I want the testing versione. I would use the debian installer daily images, but I can't find any boot.img.gz: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
| 15:12.07 | mjt | and at least in debian it's done in initramfs now |
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| 15:12.38 | mjt | so i've no idea what environment we're talking about here. |
| 15:12.39 | \amethyst | mjt: oh, so just /init vs /linuxrc ? |
| 15:12.51 | mjt | it's more than name change |
| 15:13.00 | mjt | or else there's no reason to rename it |
| 15:13.00 | justin | pappanz: read overview.log |
| 15:13.01 | Titan8990 | pappanz, the testing installers are often broken. i usually recommend installing a minimum lenny system then upgrading to squeeze |
| 15:13.07 | justin | pappanz: go up one directory |
| 15:13.10 | justin | pappanz: and yes, install lenny |
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| 15:13.40 | mjt | and speaking of dm-crypt, isn't there support for it in debian natively? |
| 15:14.05 | zrin | mjt: for me it's simply /etc/crypttab containing "root /dev/something luks,keyscript=/root/kscript" and kscript should be able to ask for password |
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| 15:15.03 | asdzxc | is it possible to do memory usage limiting per UID ? |
| 15:15.31 | mjt | there is, but it's a bit more than /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 15:15.41 | jelly | asdzxc: for an interactive user, or for a service? |
| 15:15.48 | asdzxc | for a service |
| 15:15.53 | asdzxc | i need set it per UID |
| 15:15.59 | asdzxc | so all processes with some UID |
| 15:16.02 | jelly | asdzxc: which service? |
| 15:16.05 | asdzxc | any |
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| 15:16.09 | asdzxc | and all togather |
| 15:16.12 | pappanz | Titan8990, justin, ok... just remind me... is there any possibility to specify for the testing version *during* the installation and before packages are downloaded? |
| 15:16.18 | jelly | asdzxc: which services are you going to offer? |
| 15:16.25 | mjt | asdzxc: It can be done using resource controls based on cgroups |
| 15:16.30 | justin | pappanz: the base install is not very large, it isn't a big deal to upgrade |
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| 15:16.39 | asdzxc | mjt: any link ? |
| 15:16.54 | pif | hi, any idea why my udev stops creating a /dev/cdrom link on one unstable box (and not on others)? |
| 15:16.55 | pappanz | justin, you mean, using businesscard image? |
| 15:16.59 | justin | pappanz: using any image |
| 15:17.05 | pappanz | ah ok |
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| 15:17.51 | asdzxc | mjt: i found simething, thnx. do you have any experiences with this ? |
| 15:18.13 | mjt | not really. i mean, not something worth sharing :) |
| 15:19.19 | pappanz | I have also another question, which probably is asked always and maybe annoying, but I'd like to ask because I like opinions from experienced people. How is KDE4 compared to the other desktop environments? |
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| 15:19.52 | OpenTokix | pappanz: Did you mean kompared? =) |
| 15:19.59 | pappanz | OpenTokix, :D |
| 15:20.05 | OpenTokix | pappanz: it's pretty complete but huge in both disk-space and memory usage |
| 15:20.13 | OpenTokix | pappanz: really pretty to |
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| 15:21.06 | pappanz | OpenTokix, my machine is a intel centrino, 1.5GHz, 512MB RAM... how do you think it should run kde4? |
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| 15:22.16 | pappanz | and if you define kde as "huge" in requirements, how would you define gnome or xfce? |
| 15:22.58 | OpenTokix | pappanz: I would not run KDE4 on that machine. - 512M ram isnt much theese days |
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| 15:24.02 | pappanz | OpenTokix, I ran xfce for a while and it was good, but I really don't know how gnome and kde developed in the last one or two years |
| 15:24.21 | OpenTokix | bigger |
| 15:24.24 | mjt | used twm for about 15 years... |
| 15:24.27 | OpenTokix | Like an american on mcd-diet |
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| 15:26.20 | cvsup | somebody can say where i find debpartial-mirror? |
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| 15:26.20 | cvsup | howto? |
| 15:26.20 | Titan8990 | pappanz, last time i installed gnome meta package it included crap like samba.... |
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| 15:26.37 | mjt | it installs samba-common |
| 15:26.45 | Titan8990 | because everyone need CIFS filesharing..... |
| 15:26.50 | mjt | in order to be able to browse/mount samba shares |
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| 15:26.56 | mjt | yeah |
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| 15:27.14 | pappanz | so, what DE (if there's one) you use and why? |
| 15:27.48 | Titan8990 | I use xfce... its lightweight, looks nice, and doesn't come with much garbage |
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| 15:28.33 | Kobaz | afterstep is nifty too |
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| 15:28.59 | mjt | to me the main criteria is usability without mouse |
| 15:29.05 | Kobaz | ssh |
| 15:29.12 | mjt | unfortunately only a few of DEs counts here |
| 15:29.22 | hjb2 | hi. i've upgraded my testing system yesterday |
| 15:29.34 | Kobaz | mjt: afterstep has keyboard control of the mouse.. and you can bind keyboard shotcuts to mouse buttons |
| 15:29.34 | mjt | needing a mouse click to switch to another window is ughrm.... not right. |
| 15:29.35 | Titan8990 | mjt, most them suppor alt+f2 for commands, which is plenty for mouseless usage ot me |
| 15:29.38 | hjb2 | tomorrow at train i couldn't connect to my mobile phone anymore |
| 15:29.52 | hjb2 | i use bluetooth networking (the phone is a nap) |
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| 15:30.21 | hjb2 | i get an error like: "bnep failed) |
| 15:30.39 | hjb2 | anyone here who had similar trouble recently? |
| 15:31.17 | mjt | bluetooth is receiving massive changes in sid |
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| 15:31.56 | mjt | (as is all the X stuff) |
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| 15:32.33 | Isenn | What is the easiest why to manually install Java 1.6? |
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| 15:32.45 | jelly | wants to buy hjb2's bluetooth time machine |
| 15:32.50 | Isenn | I have installed it and placed it under /opt. but i need to the the symlink "update-alternatives" going |
| 15:33.05 | hjb2 | mjt thats true |
| 15:33.09 | Titan8990 | Isenn, why wouldn't you use the debian package which would be supported here? |
| 15:33.24 | mjt | Isenn: but it's already available in debian the native way... |
| 15:33.34 | mjt | dup |
| 15:33.42 | Isenn | What is the package name? |
| 15:33.55 | Dumb0 | apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 15:34.11 | mjt | apt-cache search -n java6 |
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| 15:34.21 | Titan8990 | its in backports IIRC |
| 15:34.21 | Isenn | openjdk-6-jdk - OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) |
| 15:34.28 | Isenn | i can not find sun-java6-jre |
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| 15:34.40 | mjt | yeah it's in bpo |
| 15:34.43 | Titan8990 | Isenn, because you didn't read the debian wiki on java that tells you its in bpo |
| 15:34.50 | Dumb0 | Isenn, opps sorry I am running ubuntu :s |
| 15:34.52 | Isenn | Ok, i will read that wiki |
| 15:34.57 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 15:34.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:35.00 | mjt | judd: version sun-java6-jre |
| 15:35.00 | judd | mjt: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 15:35.01 | kpoorman | is it possible to set up sudo to allow me to sudo to user X without prompting me for a password ? |
| 15:35.02 | Titan8990 | Dumb0, wrong channel |
| 15:35.03 | themill | Isenn: etch or lenny? |
| 15:35.10 | Isenn | lenny |
| 15:35.12 | mjt | judd: help |
| 15:35.12 | judd | mjt: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 15:35.19 | mjt | judd: versions sun-java6-jre |
| 15:35.19 | judd | mjt: sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 6-10-2 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-16-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 |
| 15:35.29 | mjt | finally :) |
| 15:35.30 | themill | Isenn: bpo not needed, non-free is needed. /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 15:36.02 | Dumb0 | Titan8990, lol |
| 15:36.05 | Dumb0 | k |
| 15:36.22 | jelly | wait what, "sid/non-free: 6-10-2 [...] sid/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-16-1" |
| 15:36.50 | themill | jelly: ask stew about broken UDD... |
| 15:37.05 | jelly | Asking stew about broken UDD.... |
| 15:37.19 | jelly | No response from target. |
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| 15:38.17 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:38.29 | Isenn | themill: is sun-java6-jdk in lenny aswell? |
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| 15:39.04 | themill | Isenn: /msg dpkg search. |
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| 15:39.47 | Isenn | quess i need the backports stuff |
| 15:39.50 | Isenn | guess |
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| 15:43.55 | Rienzilla | Hi. After a reboot my machine seems to hang on udev. I see multiple comparable issues on google, but no solution. Any idea what could cause this? |
| 15:44.05 | Ariel_Calzada | hi ihave debian squeeze. Mi touchpad don't work I have Compaq Presario C700. Also i have to restart X when i want to use VGA OUT :( any help? |
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| 15:44.25 | Rienzilla | the machine uses ldap for authentication and authorization; if I interrupt udev with ctrl-c the machine will hang on NFS statd, and then on syslog, where it will hang indefinitely |
| 15:44.28 | Rienzilla | any ideas? |
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| 15:52.05 | cahoot | Ariel_Calzada: using xrandr --output VGA --auto doesn't help? |
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| 16:04.25 | rpaulson | is there a way to make it available? |
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| 16:05.37 | konr | Dear god... is there a single decent presentation creator? |
| 16:05.53 | konr | I just want to focus on the content |
| 16:05.58 | petemc | oo impress doesnty work? |
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| 16:06.51 | konr | petemc: it has very few templates and is a little messy to work with :( |
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| 16:09.10 | themill | konr: I use latex-beamer and quite like it. |
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| 16:17.52 | uwjweq_ | With xtrlock Ctrl+Alt+Backspace still works. |
| 16:20.02 | uwjweq_ | Any better way to lock the screen or ideas on why this is broken for me? |
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| 16:34.36 | dkay | #debian, i need help pls. my netbook lost power and went offline during an install on my server xD how to get back into that screen? |
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| 16:35.35 | dkay | process is still running, ive tried screen -x PID but i guess i have to install that application before my laptop goes offline whille i install some applications on an server :) |
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| 16:37.17 | petemc | dkay: you should be able to just kill the process and restart installing the packages, it should pick up where it left off |
| 16:37.53 | dkay | it was ispcp omega while he was creating some databases. |
| 16:38.29 | petemc | i dont know what ispcp omega is |
| 16:39.14 | petemc | if its not a debian package than what i said above probably doesnt apply |
| 16:39.15 | dkay | when i kill the pid then probably something goes bad |
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| 16:39.45 | dkay | is there no way to get back into the screen? |
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| 16:40.11 | dkay | must be a basic. have read something yesterday about it |
| 16:40.37 | petemc | dkay: were you running it within screen? |
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| 16:41.07 | dkay | errm? |
| 16:41.19 | dkay | the process was started by root |
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| 17:05.45 | Jerry | hi |
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| 17:06.06 | Jerry | i decided to install a mailserver when installing debian |
| 17:06.18 | Jerry | now i want php's mail()-function to work |
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| 17:06.25 | Jerry | what do i have to do? |
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| 17:08.06 | XThief | How do i install with all the dependencies a .deb file? |
| 17:08.08 | Pryon | set sendmail_path in php.ini? |
| 17:08.31 | Jerry | sendmail_path == which sendmail or what? |
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| 17:09.12 | Titan8990 | XThief, apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 17:09.32 | Titan8990 | XThief, if you have a random .deb, prolly shouldn't be using it |
| 17:09.44 | XThief | Titan8990: i have already the .deb file |
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| 17:10.37 | XThief | Titan8990: i always used the apt-get for downloading and installing packages, the problem is that i need to install a older version of the program avaliable from the apt-get |
| 17:10.37 | Araneidae | I seem to remember `dpkg -i` followed by `apt-get installed` worked for me when I had to do something like that |
| 17:10.46 | Araneidae | `apt-get install` of course |
| 17:11.11 | Araneidae | In other words, the dpgk marks it as incomplete, and apt-get fills in the dependencies |
| 17:11.23 | XThief | yeah, the problem with dpkg -i its that doesnt install the dependencies |
| 17:11.43 | XThief | oh |
| 17:11.48 | chellomere | then install the dependencies manually |
| 17:11.53 | Araneidae | Just so, then you run apt-get install (or some similar incantation, can't remember precisely) |
| 17:12.03 | Araneidae | No, pretty sure apt-get filled it all in automatically! |
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| 17:12.13 | stew | apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install (-f for "fix") |
| 17:12.16 | XThief | oh |
| 17:12.24 | Araneidae | Yes, that' was the trick |
| 17:12.27 | chellomere | I assume you must have forced the package to install it then |
| 17:12.42 | chellomere | as dpkg wouldn't install it by default if it had missing dependencies |
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| 17:12.46 | Pryon | Jerry: http://us.php.net/manual/en/mail.configuration.php |
| 17:13.00 | stew | chellomere: no, dpkg -i will start the install which will fail, then apt-get -f install will "fix" the broken install by installing the missing dependencies then finishing the install of the original package |
| 17:13.01 | Araneidae | Can't remember anymore, it was a long time ago I had to do that |
| 17:13.15 | Araneidae | Think what stew says is what I remember |
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| 17:13.18 | DeeTah | http://wklej.org/id/166325/ - what's wrong? |
| 17:13.26 | XThief | oh cool stew thanks for the help :D |
| 17:13.37 | chellomere | stew, ok |
| 17:13.39 | XThief | thx also chellomere and Araneidae |
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| 17:18.37 | Bombo | hi, i got one hd and one cdrom, everytime my cdrom is plugged in (atapi) i get lots of timeouts in the syslog and the system freezes completely for 30-60 seconds or even more i cant do anything but then after a while it works again (for a while) this happens after i upgraded from etch to lenny, he probably has the same problem at least symtoms: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=463410 any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 17:19.40 | ghostman | lol |
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| 17:19.53 | colblood | i installed windows after debian (bad idea, i know) so the grub is now in condition fubar, can i just use a rescue cd and re-install it and it'll be back on track? |
| 17:20.09 | ghostman | what a joke! ;) |
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| 17:21.01 | asg | colblood: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 17:21.41 | fredl | udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel... |
| 17:21.47 | fredl | interesting. |
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| 17:22.04 | fredl | is that a new setting? |
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| 17:23.01 | xyan | fredl: your using the deprecated sysfs layout |
| 17:23.18 | fredl | ok. and I shouldn't I guess? |
| 17:23.21 | Araneidae | Oh God, when did sysfs change? |
| 17:23.27 | xyan | exactly |
| 17:23.33 | fredl | 2.6.30 or 2.6.31 I guess |
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| 17:23.40 | Araneidae | Ouch. |
| 17:23.44 | xyan | i noticed that for udev 146-3 with 2.6.31 |
| 17:23.45 | xyan | yes |
| 17:24.23 | ghostman | losers on piratenpartei! |
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| 17:25.04 | anddam | is there an "ip" man page? I'm referring to netinstall ip command |
| 17:25.15 | fredl | I think the udev msg sounds kind of alarming. |
| 17:25.25 | Araneidae | Have you got any links on the sysfs changes? I think I might need to catch up with something... |
| 17:25.46 | xyan | Araneidae: its in the kernel Documentation |
| 17:25.52 | petemc | anddam: did you try 'man ip' |
| 17:26.02 | anddam | petemc: sure |
| 17:26.03 | Araneidae | Yeah. There's rather a *lot* in Documentation |
| 17:26.07 | petemc | anddam: and? |
| 17:26.14 | anddam | petemc: obviously man is missing on netinstall |
| 17:26.15 | Araneidae | THis looks promising: http://lwn.net/Articles/2.6-kernel-api/ |
| 17:26.20 | petemc | oh, the netinstall, right |
| 17:26.43 | petemc | anddam: well, there is, but not in the netinstall, as you've noticed |
| 17:26.45 | fredl | oh well, off to rebuild da kernel. |
| 17:27.01 | anddam | is there a web interface to debian man pages? |
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| 17:27.12 | valdyn | anddam: dwww |
| 17:27.25 | fredl | xyan - you simply set CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=n and rebuild? |
| 17:27.29 | anddam | !dwww |
| 17:27.41 | valdyn | anddam: apt-cache show dwww |
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| 17:27.51 | xyan | fredl: i deselected it in menuconfig since there are some depending features |
| 17:27.58 | fredl | oh... |
| 17:27.59 | fredl | ok |
| 17:28.01 | anddam | valdyn: apt-cache? seriously, I'm on netinstall |
| 17:28.07 | xyan | fredl: also udev seems a bit borked i couldnt boot with root as UUID |
| 17:28.14 | valdyn | anddam: the documentation is not on the netinstall disk |
| 17:28.15 | petemc | anddam: google for iproute man page |
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| 17:28.53 | anddam | petemc: ah thanks I didn't knew ip stood for iproute |
| 17:29.08 | fredl | xyan - where do I find that option in menuconfig? |
| 17:29.28 | valdyn | netinstall isnt using busybox? |
| 17:29.31 | XThief | when i put sudo dpkg -i deluge-torrent_1.0.5-1_i386.lenny.deb i get this error http://pastebin.ca/1595042, what can i do to install that .deb ? |
| 17:29.32 | Tired | btw. how likely (how easy is it for) is a wine environment to catch a virus? It never happened to me, but it's worrying, how wine has full access to all of $HOME so easily |
| 17:29.44 | xyan | fredl: general setup |
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| 17:30.12 | Araneidae | Tired, I quite agree, but I think you're in the wrong channel. #winehq is over there ==> |
| 17:30.46 | Tired | not true #d-o is there |
| 17:30.57 | Araneidae | ? |
| 17:31.12 | fredl | okay got it. |
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| 17:31.29 | Araneidae | Anyhow, the first thing I do to my WINEPREFIX is remove all the extra links! Hope it helps... |
| 17:32.17 | Tired | perhaps not such a bad idea |
| 17:32.30 | fredl | I'm guessing there's no 2.6.31 pkg yet in Sid because of this sysfs crud? |
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| 17:34.24 | deepblue | yop ^^ |
| 17:35.43 | Araneidae | So what *did* change in 2.6.31? Did SYSFS_DEPRECATED change? I can't find anything recent re recent sysfs changes. |
| 17:36.13 | fredl | Araneidae, when booting up with a self-made 2.6.31 I get [ 35.475738] <3>udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel or disable the kernel's CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option; udev may fail to work correctly |
| 17:36.40 | fredl | since udev is kinda important... |
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| 17:36.53 | fredl | I don't want it to fail to work correctly :-) |
| 17:36.54 | Araneidae | Yes, but CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED has been around for ages, and it probably ought to have been disabled ages ago |
| 17:37.00 | xyan | Araneidae: not the kernel has changed but the userspace rather, without SYSFS_DEPRECATED the sysfs tree looks completely different |
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| 17:38.06 | Araneidae | Mmm, but I'm trying to figure out where sysfs has changed recently. I also have stuff that uses sysfs, but haven't tried a recent kernel yet... |
| 17:38.43 | fredl | so if I compile without CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED, will udev from Sid work correctly? |
| 17:38.58 | fredl | or do I need to recompile udev too? |
| 17:39.19 | fredl | you said you had probs too xyan? how did you fix them? |
| 17:39.29 | xyan | fredl: it works for me (udev 146-3 form september 27th or sth) |
| 17:39.51 | xyan | i had to change root=UUID=blabla to a real block device in grub2 |
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| 17:40.35 | fredl | I still haven't been able to find update-from-grub-legacy or something.... |
| 17:41.00 | xyan | fredl: if you want to be sure to end up with a running system, then install linux-image-2.6.30-2 which has that option disabled |
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| 17:41.10 | xyan | fredl: thats in grub-pc package afaik |
| 17:41.29 | dustybin | why am i getting a 20+ second delay before a password prompt comes up when i try and log into a remote host? |
| 17:41.31 | fredl | yeah that's what I thought but it has gone missing, I'll see if there's an update |
| 17:41.42 | xyan | /usr/sbin/upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
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| 17:42.09 | themill | dustybin: sounds like a dns lookup is taking a long time to time out |
| 17:42.26 | dustybin | themill: the strange thing is, a friend of mine can log in instant |
| 17:42.47 | themill | dustybin: from the same machine? |
| 17:42.47 | dustybin | themill: could this be down to my dns servers |
| 17:42.53 | dustybin | themill: no different |
| 17:42.54 | dustybin | his machine |
| 17:43.11 | fredl | so his machine can be reverse resolved. |
| 17:43.15 | fredl | yours cant. |
| 17:43.22 | dustybin | ohhh |
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| 17:43.41 | dustybin | why cant mine? |
| 17:43.48 | dustybin | i am with a bog standard UK ISP |
| 17:43.53 | fredl | sshd does a reverse lookup on your IP address. |
| 17:44.08 | dustybin | ok |
| 17:44.08 | sepult | use rdnssd and mrd6 |
| 17:44.12 | fredl | well do nslookup <yourISPip> |
| 17:44.24 | fredl | see if it works. |
| 17:44.29 | dustybin | fredl: i am using NAT, should i do this on my public ip |
| 17:44.34 | fredl | yes |
| 17:44.36 | dustybin | ok |
| 17:44.38 | dustybin | hold on |
| 17:45.08 | xyan | Araneidae: the deprecated sysfs layout has a split tree with /sys/class/block/ and whatnot and /sys/devices/, the new layout uses a unified /sys/devices/ tree holding everything, thats prety much it |
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| 17:45.28 | Araneidae | Oh, ok. That's not so serious |
| 17:45.41 | Araneidae | doesn't have block devices in the system he's worried about, anyway |
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| 17:45.59 | fredl | nah disks aren't anything to worry about after all. |
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| 17:46.09 | Araneidae | Heh. |
| 17:46.09 | dustybin | $ host 78.86.171.176 |
| 17:46.10 | dustybin | X.X.86.78.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 78-86-X-X.zone2.bethere.co.uk. |
| 17:46.18 | dustybin | so i do have reverse dns |
| 17:46.34 | Tired | dustybin, switch reverse lookup off in the server if you have root there |
| 17:46.38 | fredl | did you do that on the host you have problems logging in to? |
| 17:46.43 | Araneidae | I'm a bit surprised JFFS2 doesn't count as a block device, actually |
| 17:46.56 | robin_sz | hmm ... if I do dpgk --get-selections on one box .. and then feed them into dpkg --set-selections in another box .. how do I thne getthe second box to install thos packages? |
| 17:47.06 | dustybin | Tired: the remote host is not my server |
| 17:47.10 | fredl | maybe your ISP does access control on reverse looking :P |
| 17:47.14 | fredl | lookup even. |
| 17:47.20 | dustybin | fredl: no i done that on my machine |
| 17:47.24 | fredl | security by obscurity. |
| 17:47.29 | stew | robin_sz: apt-get dselect-upgrade ; though I'd recommend "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" instead |
| 17:47.31 | xyan | robin_sz: apt-get dselect-upgrade it hink |
| 17:47.38 | robin_sz | ta ta :) |
| 17:47.47 | fredl | dustybin - well try it on the remote meachine, you're allowed to run host/nslookup there? |
| 17:47.57 | Tired | dustybin, "UseDNS" in /etc/sshd_config ... well, if it's not your server you can't do much |
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| 17:48.30 | DeeTah | i've modified a file in my local repository. how to digest it? |
| 17:48.45 | dustybin | fredl: ok will do |
| 17:48.48 | Tired | dustybin, you can use a ssh public key though... the delay probably won't be gone, but you don't need to type a password :) |
| 17:49.10 | fredl | so you run to get coffee while it's waiting for the timeout :P |
| 17:49.19 | dustybin | LOL i was just thinking that |
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| 17:49.45 | fredl | BTW - I am not a doctor in case you fall over with caffeine poisoning. |
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| 17:49.52 | fredl | (standard disclaimer) |
| 17:50.11 | dustybin | the remote seems ok |
| 17:50.12 | dustybin | host 174.142.38.197 |
| 17:50.13 | dustybin | 197.38.142.174.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer thinkdebian.org. |
| 17:50.25 | jelly-home | think not |
| 17:50.31 | fredl | no :) |
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| 17:50.50 | dustybin | oh i see |
| 17:50.54 | fredl | your interpretation skills need some training. |
| 17:51.02 | dustybin | hold on |
| 17:51.26 | Tired | fredl, doesn't matter, we'll sue you anyway |
| 17:51.33 | Tired | goes, gets a coffee |
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| 17:52.10 | fredl | hey, 2.6.32-rc3 is on kernel.org |
| 17:52.17 | dustybin | hmm i cannot figure out what is wrong, i have reverse dns, and so does the remote server |
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| 17:52.37 | fredl | no you're not thinkdebian.org are you? |
| 17:52.44 | amee2k | hm... how can i configure wired networks in networkmanager? |
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| 17:52.54 | amee2k | it always pushes dhcp on these... |
| 17:52.55 | dustybin | fredl: thinkdebain.org is the remote server |
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| 17:53.09 | fredl | oh.. |
| 17:53.16 | dustybin | i am at home on my isp |
| 17:53.28 | dustybin | when i ssh into thinkdebain.org, there is a 20 seconds delay |
| 17:53.48 | fredl | so on thinkdebian.org try to reverse resolve *your* IP address. |
| 17:53.50 | fredl | duh |
| 17:54.46 | dustybin | ohh |
| 17:54.53 | fredl | nyah |
| 17:55.37 | fredl | waits for 1500 or so useless modules to be compiled |
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| 17:55.45 | dustybin | thinkdebian.org [~]# host 78.86.X.X |
| 17:55.45 | dustybin | X.X.86.78.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 78-86-X-X.zone2.bethere.co.uk. |
| 17:55.48 | dustybin | it worked |
| 17:55.57 | fredl | I should *really* trim that list down. |
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| 17:56.09 | s_cube | *expression of frustration* Just who the fairy disabled Alt-L on Debian's xterms... |
| 17:56.14 | xyan | fredl: -j4 ;) |
| 17:56.20 | fredl | dustybin - now that *is* strange |
| 17:56.28 | fredl | -j 4? what does that do? |
| 17:56.28 | xyan | dustybin: did you ssh -vvv yet to see where it hangs? |
| 17:56.29 | justin | s_cube: do you mean control-l? |
| 17:56.35 | s_cube | No, I mean Alt-L |
| 17:56.41 | xyan | make flags, to use 4 concurrent compile jobs |
| 17:56.41 | dustybin | xyan: i will paste |
| 17:56.56 | fredl | oh then I could do -j 8 right? |
| 17:57.01 | s_cube | Normally, when you start perl (as a test case) without anything, and then do Alt-L I get ^[l on sanely-behaving systems. On the particular one I am it, it's just l |
| 17:57.01 | justin | s_cube: what is this alt-l supposed to do? |
| 17:57.04 | XThief | when i put sudo dpkg -i deluge-torrent_1.0.5-1_i386.lenny.deb i get this error http://pastebin.ca/1595042, what can i do to install that .deb ? |
| 17:57.08 | s_cube | justin: produce the ^[l escape code |
| 17:57.13 | s_cube | mcedit depends on it |
| 17:57.26 | fredl | as I assume that's thread per CPU core? |
| 17:57.27 | xyan | fredl: i usually use 2 per core |
| 17:57.31 | dustybin | xyan: http://paste.debian.net/48192/plain/48192 |
| 17:57.36 | dustybin | it hangs right there |
| 17:57.38 | Titan8990 | XThief, apt does not support downgrading |
| 17:57.41 | anddam | are there contrib and non-free sections for security and volatile sources too? |
| 17:57.43 | fredl | oh, then I could do -j 16 even better :) |
| 17:57.59 | fredl | xyan does that work on the make-kpkg cmdline as well? |
| 17:57.59 | s_cube | justin: I guess it's because nobody in Debian enabled altSendsEscape |
| 17:58.01 | justin | s_cube: oh, maybe you selected the wrong keymap? |
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| 17:58.17 | xyan | freddy: set it in the Makefile, sure it does |
| 17:58.18 | XThief | Titan8990: and how can i completly remove the program? i already did with apt-get remove --purge |
| 17:58.42 | fredl | it's fredL BTW :P |
| 17:58.58 | xyan | ok Fred |
| 17:59.02 | fredl | :) |
| 17:59.23 | fredl | my mom used to call me Freddie when I was already a teenager. |
| 17:59.33 | fredl | irritated the shit out of me then :P |
| 17:59.37 | Titan8990 | XThief, never tried to downgrade a package so I couldn't say |
| 17:59.56 | XThief | Titan8990: i dont want to downgrade, i want to remove the package |
| 17:59.59 | xyan | dustybin: your connecting to core1.servqc.net? not thinkdebian.org, also i cant see timing there lol. suggested it for you to see when it delays |
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| 18:01.21 | fredl | oops, kernel is done already. |
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| 18:01.42 | fredl | but... but... why on earth did I build 2.6.30 |
| 18:01.44 | fredl | GRR |
| 18:02.02 | dustybin | xyan: the remote requires me to log into core1.servqc.net, then it flips into thinkdebian.org when i have logged in |
| 18:02.04 | Tired | fredl, if you don't know... how should we? |
| 18:02.20 | fredl | somehow my 2.6.31 source went missing, odd. |
| 18:02.26 | xyan | dustybin: is it just another ip on there? or some sort of ssh gateway? |
| 18:02.28 | fredl | oh! wait! |
| 18:02.32 | fredl | Hmm |
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| 18:02.41 | dustybin | xyan: im not sure, i need to ask the admin |
| 18:02.46 | Tired | fund it behind the sandwich on your table? |
| 18:02.50 | Tired | s/fund/found/ |
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| 18:03.02 | s_cube | haha |
| 18:03.03 | fredl | oh! I forgot, shit, kvm kernel from git. |
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| 18:03.37 | fredl | PITA, that threw me off last time as well. |
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| 18:04.16 | eXeC001er | Hello! How i can make newpatch for package if this package has some patches in debian/patches ? |
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| 18:05.32 | stew | eXeC001er: it depends on which patch system it is using. check the build depends and see if it depends on cdbs or quilt or dpatch or what |
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| 18:05.52 | fredl | ohh, kvm kernel is at 2.6.32-rc3 already, they don't waste time. |
| 18:06.24 | fredl | could even be the same git tree as mainline. |
| 18:06.30 | DeeTah | how to downgrade a specified packag? |
| 18:06.32 | DeeTah | package? |
| 18:07.13 | s_cube | justin: well you were right.. xmodmap -pke shows that Alt-L is mapped to NoSymbol. Still a debian bug :p |
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| 18:07.19 | fredl | xyan - in 2.6.32-rc3 it's called ''remove sysfs features which may confuse old userspace tools' :-) |
| 18:07.21 | stew | DeeTah: aptitude install packagename=version ; note that the maintainer scripts don't typically support downgrading (especially for non-compatible config files) |
| 18:07.30 | fredl | how apropriate. |
| 18:07.32 | eXeC001er | stew: depends on cdbs ? |
| 18:07.46 | s_cube | or? |
| 18:07.54 | DeeTah | stew: can I tell it to installa version BELOW the specified? |
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| 18:08.53 | stew | DeeTah: "apt-cache policy packagename" will list the available versions, you can "aptitude install pacakge=version" for some specific version, after which you may want to put the package on hold (/msg dpkg hold), or pin the pacakge (/msg dpkg pinning) |
| 18:09.20 | stew | eXeC001er: what does "grep patch debian/rules" return? something like "simple-patchsys" or something about quilt? or what? |
| 18:09.32 | DeeTah | stew: thanks. |
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| 18:10.56 | eXeC001er | stew: include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk |
| 18:11.32 | stew | eXeC001er: for simple-patchsys, i believe you simple drop new patches into debian/patches |
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| 18:12.07 | anddam | what's the right way to launch a program at boot time? |
| 18:12.08 | anddam | rc.local? |
| 18:12.13 | eXeC001er | stew: this patch for orginal file or .... ? |
| 18:12.40 | Titan8990 | anddam, put an init script in /etc/init.d/foobar and the: update-rc.d foobar default |
| 18:12.47 | Titan8990 | anddam, man update-rc.d for more info |
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| 18:13.18 | Titan8990 | anddam, and also there is a /etc/init.d/skel that wrap your stuff in for the lazy |
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| 18:14.20 | eXeC001er | stew: and what number for this patch. in patches i have file with 00, 01, 02 , 10, 81, 82 . |
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| 18:16.33 | anddam | thanks |
| 18:16.34 | anddam | bye |
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| 18:19.36 | fredl | wow quiet all of the sudden. |
| 18:19.53 | asg | been like that most of the day |
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| 18:23.08 | s_cube | I can do `xrdb -merge .Xresources` (with a non-empty Xresources file) and still, `xrdb -query` does not return anything. Just what is wrong with that? |
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| 18:26.16 | fredl | ouch, really old looking xrdb commands... |
| 18:26.34 | fredl | remembers those from aeons ago |
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| 18:29.45 | iceroot | what does 103% cpu-usage (top) mean? 100% one core, 3% the second core? or is it a bug? |
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| 18:31.58 | redguy | Hi, I want to install some eclipse plugins, but I am unable to do using the packaged version. When I click Help -> Software Updates I get "Cannot launch the Update UI. This installation was not configured properly for Software Updates" dialog. Is it not possible to install any non-packaged plugins in the packaged eclipse? |
| 18:32.27 | redguy | Or do I have a configuration issue? |
| 18:32.42 | blouf | hi, does anyone succeed synchonizing a blackberry with linux ? if yes, please just lemme know, thanks |
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| 18:35.05 | datacrusher | hi there everyone. i just installed an web server with debian lenny, and all works like a charm. too bad at this point they informed me that the site that would be running only works with php4, but i dont have php4 on the synaptic list, and php5 is working just fine, with another site. is there a way to use both php4 ahd 5? or to uninstall php5 and instal php4? |
| 18:35.12 | dondelelcaro | iceroot: it just means that 103% of the CPU(s) available is in use. If you've got multiple cores, then it's the sum of them in use |
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| 18:35.45 | iceroot | http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/top103.png |
| 18:35.49 | dondelelcaro | datacrusher: we actually no longer distribute php4 in a stable release. They should fix the site to run in at least php5. |
| 18:36.08 | datacrusher | hm ok |
| 18:36.42 | s_cube | iceroot: well you've got two cores, so it's ok |
| 18:36.49 | dondelelcaro | datacrusher: php4 doesn't have security support anymore, too, so you definetly don't want to run it |
| 18:37.04 | s_cube | iceroot: then again you seem to be running ubuntu not debian :p |
| 18:37.12 | iceroot | s_cube: so ist using 100% of cpu0 and 3%of cpu1 |
| 18:37.22 | iceroot | s_cube: its the same :-) |
| 18:37.24 | jelly-home | *cough*as if php ever had security support*cough* |
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| 18:37.57 | datacrusher | dondelelcaro, is it too abusive to adapt the site to php5? |
| 18:38.03 | dondelelcaro | iceroot: no, it's just that the sum of the time of cpu0 and cpu1 is 103 |
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| 18:38.45 | iceroot | dondelelcaro: so, virtualbox is using 2 cores? |
| 18:38.46 | fredl | datacrusher, depends. |
| 18:38.53 | dondelelcaro | iceroot: presumably |
| 18:39.08 | fredl | datacrusher, the transition from php 4 to php 5 was rather extensive. |
| 18:39.28 | s_cube | iceroot: no, just slightly more than 1 ;) |
| 18:39.30 | dondelelcaro | datacrusher: if the site was programmed well, no. If it's like most PHP code, quite likely. |
| 18:39.54 | datacrusher | i see |
| 18:40.10 | iceroot | dondelelcaro: s_cube thx |
| 18:40.42 | datacrusher | well, bad answer from the developer.. I dont know php that well to "fix" the website from php4 to php5... will backport the server then :( |
| 18:40.48 | fredl | interesting, the drm driver for my ATI card marks a memory area as uncacheable MTRR by itself :) |
| 18:41.00 | dustybin | has anybody here ever done some work on a server, then realised they was working on the wrong server? |
| 18:41.06 | fredl | which is rather clever if you think about it. |
| 18:41.08 | dondelelcaro | datacrusher: uh... if the developer doesn't know php enough to update it, then you probably don't want to run the site at all |
| 18:41.26 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: that's why my prompts are all color coded |
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| 18:41.41 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: haha ok |
| 18:41.57 | dondelelcaro | local machine has one color, remote machines all have different ones (and they all have their name in the prompt and in the window title) |
| 18:42.16 | dustybin | good idea |
| 18:42.21 | datacrusher | dondelelcaro, welcome to brazil |
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| 18:43.27 | fredl | hmm rebootez! |
| 18:43.52 | dondelelcaro | datacrusher: *shrug*; you can find people who can't code in PHP anywhere. However, someone who doesn't know PHP well enough to update to PHP5 probably has XSS and other issues in the PHP code that they've written, and running it is likely to result in great tribulations for you. |
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| 18:44.09 | dkr | I also keep my xterms with remote shells to various servers in the same location on the screen on the same virtual desktops |
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| 18:45.50 | jamesstanley | i just upgraded to debian squeeze, and fglrx has magically stopped working |
| 18:45.58 | jamesstanley | anyone know what to do? |
| 18:46.22 | jamesstanley | it runs ok, but there is no acceleration whatsoever |
| 18:46.25 | jamesstanley | it's worse than radeonhd |
| 18:47.51 | sepult | jamesstanley: get the source build it again |
| 18:47.55 | Titan8990 | did you recompile it for use on your new kernel? |
| 18:48.02 | jamesstanley | i have the same kernel. |
| 18:48.06 | sepult | jamesstanley: you prolly have only the modules for a specific kernel |
| 18:48.06 | Titan8990 | e.g. run m-a again |
| 18:48.09 | sepult | oh |
| 18:48.15 | jamesstanley | Titan8990: i didn't use m-a because it didn't work before either |
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| 18:48.26 | Titan8990 | !doesn't work |
| 18:48.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 18:48.30 | sepult | jamesstanley: so you say you didn't change the kernel =? |
| 18:48.37 | jamesstanley | Titan8990: it's deliberately vague |
| 18:48.41 | jamesstanley | i don't know why it doesn't work |
| 18:48.41 | jelly-home | crap, the dishes |
| 18:48.48 | Titan8990 | jamesstanley, what was the error? |
| 18:48.55 | jamesstanley | i described it above |
| 18:48.59 | jamesstanley | it runs fine but there is no acceleration |
| 18:49.16 | Titan8990 | .... with the debian method of fglrx installation |
| 18:49.19 | jamesstanley | oh that |
| 18:49.24 | jamesstanley | i'll try again and post the error |
| 18:49.37 | sepult | fglrx-glx ? |
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| 18:49.43 | jamesstanley | sepult: fglrx in m-a |
| 18:49.53 | fredl | well that wasn't very fun :) |
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| 18:50.10 | sepult | jamesstanley: thee is more to it |
| 18:50.19 | sepult | jamesstanley: after the sources |
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| 18:50.45 | jamesstanley | Titan8990: i am unable to copy and paste the error message from m-a because it insists on closing the error view whenever i click on the window |
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| 18:51.58 | sepult | it's running against the mesa software rendere i think |
| 18:51.59 | jamesstanley | the first error is words to the effect of "expected specifier-qualifier-list-bef[truncated here]" in include/asm/alternative.h at line 45 |
| 18:52.08 | BumfunMC | the ping to my wlan router varies between 2ms and 40 000 ms. there is a high loss and average are 10 000ms. i use debian testing and ath5k driver. the ping to other routers has been normal. can any1 help please? |
| 18:52.16 | jamesstanley | no hyphen between list and bef |
| 18:52.30 | s_cube | 10000ms is really large tho |
| 18:52.43 | BumfunMC | oh yes, i cant access any internet site |
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| 18:54.37 | jamesstanley | Titan8990: include/asm/alternative.h:45: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before u8 |
| 18:54.37 | BumfunMC | the router uses wpa2 |
| 18:54.37 | jamesstanley | is the first error |
| 18:54.37 | jamesstanley | of which there are more than will fit in my scrolling history |
| 18:55.50 | fredl | xyan - where did you have to add that root=uuid.... line? is that in /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 18:55.51 | s_cube | jamesstanley: "not supposed to be included, or at least included correctly" |
| 18:56.04 | jamesstanley | hmm? |
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| 18:57.51 | xyan | fredl: didnt have to add it, i had to remove root by UUID, thats in /etc/grub/default. grub2 that is |
| 18:58.37 | DeeTah | is there a way to make init run scripts in parallel? |
| 18:58.42 | hipodilski | hi guys I'm using wicd to manage my wireless connections for some weird reasons dns entries are not configured correctly everytime I connect to some new wireless network |
| 18:58.47 | hipodilski | any idea what might cause that? |
| 18:58.55 | xyan | fredl: /etc/default/grub rather, im sorry |
| 18:58.59 | fredl | xyan /etc/default/grub I guess right? |
| 18:59.17 | sepult | why do ck cks sources of the kernel not build ? |
| 18:59.17 | sepult | 2.6-ck 2.6-cks |
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| 18:59.18 | fredl | hmm, there's GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID and it's commented. |
| 18:59.25 | s_cube | sepult: cause they don't? |
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| 18:59.36 | fredl | xyan - so you just uncommented that? |
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| 18:59.52 | xyan | fredl: well i dont know what exactly caused the problems here |
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| 19:00.33 | sepult | 2.6-ck or 2.6-cks give problems with time.h |
| 19:00.36 | xyan | fredl: try with uuid, add another entry in grub.cfg maybe that has /dev/<rootdevice> to be sure, or edit it within grub if things will fail |
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| 19:00.39 | fredl | xyan - grub-pc tells me at startup something about biosdisk error, does that ring a bell for you too? |
| 19:00.59 | xyan | fredl: some short message with grey background? |
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| 19:01.22 | fredl | nope, standard text mode, white on black here. |
| 19:01.31 | xyan | hrm no i didnt see that |
| 19:01.44 | sepult | __udivdi() __umoddi() ?? |
| 19:01.45 | DeeTah | is there a way to make init run scripts in parallel? |
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| 19:02.28 | BumfunMC | the ping to my wlan router varies between 2ms and 40 000 ms. there is a high loss and average are 10 000ms. i use debian testing and ath5k driver. the ping to other routers has been normal. can any1 help please? |
| 19:02.28 | fredl | xyan - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/396564 |
| 19:03.15 | fredl | xyan - looks exactly like what I have. |
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| 19:03.56 | xyan | DeeTah: needs reordering of your initscripts which is done by insserv, there also are a couple of tweeks in /etc/init.d/rc |
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| 19:04.10 | DeeTah | xyan: any howto? |
| 19:04.11 | xyan | fredl: going for a smoke, will take a look in some mins |
| 19:04.33 | fredl | 'k |
| 19:04.34 | xyan | DeeTah: man insserv |
| 19:04.34 | DeeTah | xyan: thanks |
| 19:04.36 | xyan | DeeTah: read the comments in /etc/init.d/rc |
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| 19:05.37 | xyan | fredl: did you mark your /boot partition as bootable? |
| 19:05.52 | fredl | lemme check.. |
| 19:06.12 | fredl | nope. is that a problem? |
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| 19:06.19 | fredl | aww heck lemme just try and see.. |
| 19:06.23 | xyan | dont think so but you could try to set it |
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| 19:07.06 | fredl | I know how to get back in the older kernel anyway although it did freak me out somewhat :) |
| 19:07.15 | fredl | (I don't get a grub menu anymore at all) |
| 19:07.58 | fredl | and somehow my system also won't powerdown normally anymore, wondering if that has something to do with that broken udev |
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| 19:08.06 | xyan | fredl: timeout set in grub? |
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| 19:08.31 | fredl | xyan - not sure where to check that in grub-pc, do you? |
| 19:08.34 | mo2000 | hiho |
| 19:08.40 | xyan | /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:08.50 | xyan | which gets generated by all the scripts in /etc/grub.d |
| 19:09.02 | fredl | yeah it's set timeout=5 |
| 19:09.10 | xyan | hrm |
| 19:09.17 | mo2000 | what heck... 896 Online... |
| 19:09.36 | fredl | oh well lemme try and reboot with that bootable flag, see if that helps. |
| 19:09.44 | mo2000 | hello |
| 19:09.45 | xyan | g'luck |
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| 19:13.57 | Thms_ | Im using the gparted livecd to part my HDD before installing debian, but it seems that the resize is hanging for 15 mins.. Im abit worried |
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| 19:15.30 | simNIX | then maybe you forgot rule one; backups ? |
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| 19:15.41 | simNIX | sorry bad note |
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| 19:16.00 | simNIX | do you still see the hd light flickering ? |
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| 19:17.58 | jaggz- | this ubuntu page mentions this for setting the mouse: xinput set-int-prop "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" "Wheel Emulation" 8 1 |
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| 19:18.34 | fredl | Hrmmm |
| 19:18.47 | fredl | this is starting to piss me off. |
| 19:18.48 | jaggz- | my xinput doesn't seem to have the set-int-prop option, and the options it does have.. it doesn't recognize my device name |
| 19:18.55 | jaggz- | that's the name I used in xorg.conf though |
| 19:19.19 | jaggz- | I'm trying to change mouse settings while in X to fix this button problem (middle button outputs two middle button events) |
| 19:19.22 | martianlobster | I just did an apt-get remove --purge libace-dev libace5.4.7.c2a, but the file /usr/lib/libACE.a, is still on the hard drive. Why hasn't apt removed the file? |
| 19:19.50 | stew | martianlobster: what does "dpkg -S usr/lib/libACE.a" return? |
| 19:19.57 | jaggz- | dpkg -S /usr/lib/libACE.a |
| 19:19.58 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/lib/libACE.a is installed! |
| 19:20.08 | martianlobster | stew: I will check |
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| 19:21.37 | martianlobster | dpkg, /usr/lib/libACE.a not found |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | martianlobster: are you using Windows? |
| 19:21.57 | martianlobster | stey, jaggz, my mistake, I forgot to run updatedb |
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| 19:21.59 | martianlobster | it isn't there |
| 19:22.09 | martianlobster | thanks |
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| 19:22.31 | jaggz- | to monitor files: can't the kernel hook open() only in the CREAT area, and then if many files are created in a dir (too high of a frequency) it can exclude that dirs to reduce tasking |
| 19:23.03 | fredl | xyan, still seeing the same prob, making partition bootable didnt help any. |
| 19:23.12 | jaggz- | I don't understand why I have to have updatedb do this primitive-like scan of the files on my system |
| 19:23.50 | xerophyte | How can i scan my network for http or http svn client access i want to know if there any server runs svn over http ? is there any tools |
| 19:24.02 | asg | xerophyte: nmap |
| 19:24.38 | xerophyte | asg: nmap only check the port am i right .. i mean how can check http svn |
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| 19:25.17 | asg | xerophyte: nmap has script engine to do custom checks these days. I don't know if it has one to determine if a particular httpd is serving svn but you could write one. |
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| 19:26.05 | jaggz- | can the http path vary? |
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| 19:27.41 | fredl | is there a way to back out of grub-pc? |
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| 19:31.09 | Thms_ | Is there any difference betwin graphic and normal installer? |
| 19:31.19 | stew | Thms_: the fonts |
| 19:31.33 | stew | it asks all the same questions and performs all the same functions, though |
| 19:32.10 | Thms_ | okay, it's just been like 10mins its hanging "configuring APT" |
| 19:32.17 | Thms_ | and I don't see any details |
| 19:32.40 | Z4ndX_ | Any one tryed running Fluxbox in NX ? .. And got it working ? |
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| 19:34.09 | fredl | hmm it is veeeery quiet on #grub |
| 19:34.29 | Thms_ | stew: any idea of how to see details of why its hanging on "configuring APT" ? |
| 19:34.34 | jaggz- | fredl, they move kind of slowly under bark and stones and stuff |
| 19:34.59 | stew | Thms_: check the other consoles on alt-f3/alt-f4 and see if there are errors |
| 19:35.01 | jaggz- | oh my, I think I'm limited in my initial thoughts of grubs. |
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| 19:36.20 | Thms_ | stew: hm, inet is just slow I don't know why, 18kb / s |
| 19:36.33 | Thms_ | not good for a business card install |
| 19:38.22 | jaggz- | is my xinput different from these guys or what? I don't have set-int-prop http://www.mail-archive.com/xorg@lists.freedesktop.org/msg08697.html |
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| 19:38.57 | fredl | well let's try this again... rebooting |
| 19:39.17 | racecar56 | I have a Intel 845g as my graphics controller and glxgears is laggy but in the past it wasn't |
| 19:39.26 | racecar56 | my xorg.conf is configured to use the intel driver |
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| 19:41.22 | xyan | racecar56: check the memory address for your gfx card with lspci -v and see if /proc/mtrr shows that memory with write-combing |
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| 19:41.51 | Tired | racecar56, "glxinfo |grep direct" |
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| 19:42.06 | racecar56 | Tired: it says no, no wonder |
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| 19:43.07 | Tired | I don't know that specific card |
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| 19:43.36 | Tired | what exact driver is it? |
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| 19:43.51 | racecar56 | intel |
| 19:44.06 | racecar56 | i'm about to pastebin the xorg.conf |
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| 19:45.02 | Tired | it's really called "intel"? I thought there are different ones with... other names than that that I right now can't recall |
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| 19:45.13 | racecar56 | yeah |
| 19:45.40 | racecar56 | xserver-xorg-video-intel is the package that contains it |
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| 19:46.55 | Tired | look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it's saying anything interesting |
| 19:47.44 | Tired | mmm |
| 19:47.53 | Tired | this is about it, I guess http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=124755 |
| 19:48.05 | Tired | I'm not reading that... |
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| 19:48.34 | Tired | the guy seems clueless and somewhere along the way someone will explain the use of "ls" or so... it'll just annoy me |
| 19:48.38 | racecar56 | no, the xorg.0.log doesn't say anything interesting |
| 19:48.43 | wal3 | does anyone know if USB headsets are supported? http://shop.skype.com/intl/de/headsets/iss-talk-5115-everyman-headset.html |
| 19:49.06 | mo2000 | racecar56: take a look on demsg output :D |
| 19:49.31 | Tired | ah, i8xx i9xx or so were the modules my card was using |
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| 19:50.11 | Tired | mm try if the i915 driver can do it |
| 19:50.17 | racecar56 | dmesg only fusses about acpi (this computer's acpi is weird, i have to use apm) |
| 19:50.18 | Tired | ... better |
| 19:50.43 | racecar56 | even though it's not a 9xx? |
| 19:50.44 | mo2000 | racecar56: mhhh possible no "module" loaded? |
| 19:50.57 | dustybin | if one executes a command via cron, is there a way to view what happens when the command is executed via a tty ? |
| 19:51.50 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: if you output to a logfile, sure |
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| 19:52.40 | racecar56 | pastebin's site isn't working O_o |
| 19:53.32 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: aye ok |
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| 19:54.32 | mo2000 | dustybin: or output directly to tty instead of log file (urgly but possible) |
| 19:54.44 | dustybin | fugly? |
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| 19:55.12 | racecar56 | and there is one reason why i wish acpi worked... -_- |
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| 19:56.15 | racecar56 | is the pastebin site down for anyone else? |
| 19:56.24 | adb | racecar56, http://paste.debian.net/48204/ |
| 19:56.35 | s_cube | just pick another pastebin |
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| 19:57.21 | elops | Any easy way to take a screen dump of the terminal window? Print screen not working. |
| 19:57.39 | racecar56 | http://paste.debian.net/48207/ |
| 19:57.48 | racecar56 | there is my xorg.conf |
| 19:58.07 | Selveste1 | Hey, Im running lenny; and I started to have problems with my postfix, so I upgradet it with the one from the repo, but now under install it says "Bad recipient delimiter \n The recipient delimiter must be a single character. 'question skipped' is what you entered." and then dpkg hangs, then I tryed to purge it and then dpkg tails my that the packages is to damaged to remove :S what do I do ? |
| 19:58.22 | Tired | racecar56, intels website only finds a driver for intel 82845G, which I'm not sure is the same with the 82 prefix.... but for that it goes to downloads of i915, as far as I can see |
| 19:59.06 | Tired | "upgraded it to one from the repro"? upgrade to what? |
| 19:59.47 | Selveste1 | Tired: there way a newer version of postfix in ftp.dk.debian.org repo :P just a normal upgrade |
| 19:59.53 | racecar56 | Tired: it's 82845g for me "82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device" |
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| 20:00.37 | Tired | racecar56, right.. if you look here, intel lets you download i915: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=8203&ProdId=865&lang=eng |
| 20:00.50 | Tired | racecar56, so try i915 driver/kernel module |
| 20:01.28 | Tired | judd, versions postfix |
| 20:01.28 | judd | Tired: postfix -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.5.5-1.1 sid: 2.6.5-3 squeeze: 2.6.5-3 |
| 20:01.28 | racecar56 | Tired: k restarting x now |
| 20:01.33 | Tired | bah |
| 20:02.16 | Tired | Selveste1, so what version do you have? |
| 20:02.41 | Selveste1 | Im trying to upgrade to lenny: 2.5.5-1.1 |
| 20:03.23 | Tired | you probably have to fix one of the postrm/postinstall scripts... |
| 20:03.27 | Tired | did you check the bts? |
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| 20:03.40 | Selveste1 | bts ? |
| 20:03.43 | Tired | !bts |
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| 20:03.44 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 20:03.52 | Selveste1 | no, im on it now :) |
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| 20:04.42 | racecar56 | i have the i915 kernel module loaded and the xorg module intel being used and still no direct rendering |
| 20:04.52 | racecar56 | is i915 supposed to be in xorg.conf also? |
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| 20:05.08 | Selveste1 | racecar56: have same problem on my i945 :S |
| 20:05.45 | mjt | Selveste1: you can edit /var/cache/debconf/config.dat and remove that value or whole that block. |
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| 20:05.45 | metalfan | hi |
| 20:05.59 | Tired | racecar56, actually, since lenny xorg is supposed to not need an xorg.conf at all but to autodetect - if there is an entry, though, it will override all autodetect |
| 20:06.08 | Tired | eh! |
| 20:06.11 | Tired | damn him |
| 20:06.15 | Tired | why do people always drop out |
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| 20:07.07 | mjt | Selveste1: i mean your postfix issue |
| 20:07.13 | racecar56 | okay it still doesn't work -_- |
| 20:07.21 | Selveste1 | mjt: Have tryed to remove that file, and it dos not helpe |
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| 20:07.50 | mjt | Selveste1: do NOT remove it! |
| 20:07.59 | metalfan | whats the "right" way to change the locale to utf8? ist just running dpkg-reconfigure locales enough? |
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| 20:08.36 | Selveste1 | mjt: I have moved it not removed it :P sorry |
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| 20:09.06 | mjt | Selveste1: btw, what do you have for your /bin/sh ? |
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| 20:10.16 | Selveste1 | mjt: not sure I understand you q. sorry |
| 20:10.57 | mjt | Selveste1: ls -l /bin/sh -- it's a symlink, where it points to? |
| 20:11.23 | Selveste1 | to bash |
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| 20:11.31 | mjt | ok |
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| 20:11.58 | pim_ | Can I force debian not to chache anything from my hd? |
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| 20:12.54 | mjt | pim_: no way it can work |
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| 20:13.09 | pim_ | mjt why not? |
| 20:13.51 | mjt | linux always caches some minimum, like directory entries for / /bin etc, and contents of certain executable files and libraries |
| 20:14.09 | mjt | there's no way you can force it to not cache root directory entry |
| 20:14.16 | pim_ | hmm |
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| 20:14.23 | Tired | pim_, what is it you want to cache |
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| 20:14.34 | Tired | oh, not to cache |
| 20:14.35 | mjt | Tired: to NOT cache :) |
| 20:14.36 | f00f | hey guys i had network-manager set up with linux but i needed iptables to run which ended up in a conflict. Now i'm trying to set up the /etc/network/interfaces with two static ip's and i'm having problems accessing the internet... Not i have 2 interfaces eth0 which is an internal LAN(having a 192.168 etc...) and eth1 which will have the inet and external static ip (you kno regular class c)... Can anyone help me in getting this up |
| 20:14.41 | Tired | why the hell would anyone want to do that |
| 20:14.55 | pim_ | I want to run it from a compact flash, and I don't want too many write cycles. So I thought that I could free up ram by not caching |
| 20:15.12 | asg | pim_: the cache is just in memory |
| 20:15.15 | Tired | !free ram |
| 20:15.16 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 20:15.29 | asg | pim_: if you are talking about swap, just create a ramdisk for that if you need it. |
| 20:15.36 | pim_ | aha |
| 20:16.00 | Tired | pim_, your thinking is flawed there... you want caching to reduce reads/writes and only unused ram is used for caching |
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| 20:17.22 | rvalles | Tired: it'd still might be better used to cache stuff that needs to be cached. |
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| 20:17.25 | mjt | ramdisk for.. swap??? |
| 20:17.26 | rvalles | Tired: eg: slower disks. |
| 20:17.47 | rvalles | Tired: cf are pretty fast, and it makes sense in some devices to do stuff like execute in place |
| 20:17.48 | mjt | what are you talking about? what's the reason to put swap into ramdisk??? |
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| 20:20.37 | dustybin | i have a tricky problem |
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| 20:21.04 | dustybin | i execute rsnapshot via cron, on one of the remote servers it connects to, cron emails me: stdin: is not a tty |
| 20:21.10 | dustybin | how can i supress that message? |
| 20:21.31 | dustybin | i dont want to supress all of crons messages incase of important information, i just want to supress: stdin: is not a tty |
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| 20:24.41 | pim_ | mjt The reason is that I don't want many write cycles |
| 20:24.42 | themill | dustybin: I never see that message from rsnapshot -- it makes me a little suspicious. |
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| 20:25.21 | dustybin | themill: it only happens on 1 remote server i backup, the one waht takes 20 seconds for the password prompt to come up |
| 20:25.32 | dustybin | maybe its something to do with that |
| 20:26.03 | themill | dustybin: do you have weird stuff running in your .bashrc or something? |
| 20:26.14 | amgarchIn9 | hi, how do I check which devices (MAC addresses) are sitting on an ethernet interface? |
| 20:26.14 | dustybin | on the client or server? |
| 20:27.06 | mjt | pim_: reason for what? |
| 20:27.14 | themill | dustybin: on the machine that you are sshing to |
| 20:27.15 | dustybin | themill: client bashrc: http://paste.debian.net/48211/ |
| 20:27.56 | dustybin | the machine im sshing to: http://paste.debian.net/48212/ |
| 20:28.12 | pim_ | mjt: <mjt> what are you talking about? what's the reason to put swap into ramdisk??? |
| 20:28.46 | themill | dustybin: and I presume there's nothing unusual in /etc/bashrc |
| 20:28.50 | mjt | pim_: instead of putting swap to ramdisk, don't use swap in the first place. it's better use for your memory |
| 20:29.10 | pim_ | mjt So no swap should be fine then? |
| 20:29.11 | mjt | putting swap to ramdisk makes no sense at all |
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| 20:29.38 | mjt | pim_: swap is here to protect you from situation when you run out of memory |
| 20:29.44 | mjt | (basically) |
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| 20:30.00 | mjt | but if you use memory for that, it becomes kinda.. wrong |
| 20:30.10 | pim_ | yes, but debian won't mind not having a swap to write to when it runs out of "physical" memory? |
| 20:30.20 | dustybin | themill: there is a: mesg y |
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| 20:30.28 | dustybin | in /etc/bashrc on the server |
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| 20:31.47 | helo | what would cause my ipmasq to block all outgoing packets? |
| 20:31.51 | pim_ | anyway I need to leave |
| 20:31.56 | pim_ | thanks for the help mjt |
| 20:31.57 | pim_ | by |
| 20:31.58 | pim_ | bye |
| 20:31.59 | mjt | pim_: but you want to put swap into that same 'Physical" memory, hence REDUCING its amount |
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| 20:32.17 | mjt | heh |
| 20:32.19 | jamesstanley | I recently upgraded to squeeze, and the alsaconf program has disappeared |
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| 20:32.41 | jamesstanley | what do I do if sound doesn't work? |
| 20:32.43 | themill | dustybin: ahh... "mesg y" only makes sense for interactive connections so it shouldn't be in the .bashrc |
| 20:33.32 | Tired | !alsa checklist |
| 20:33.33 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 20:33.40 | jamesstanley | thanks Tired |
| 20:33.44 | dustybin | themill: aye ok |
| 20:33.46 | jamesstanley | i'll try that |
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| 20:36.24 | jamesstanley | Tired: i've come to the conclusion that oss is loaded, but not working |
| 20:36.44 | jamesstanley | wait a minute, my sound card has disappeared from lspci |
| 20:36.50 | jamesstanley | ...but it's built on to the motherboard |
| 20:36.59 | jamesstanley | oh it hasn't disappeared |
| 20:37.00 | jamesstanley | my mistake |
| 20:37.08 | jamesstanley | its number has changed |
| 20:37.13 | jamesstanley | haha my mistake again |
| 20:37.16 | jamesstanley | i fail :( |
| 20:37.17 | [Work]Ninja | rofls @ computer |
| 20:37.18 | cahoot | jamesstanley: why are you looking for oss? |
| 20:37.27 | jamesstanley | cahoot: Tired's thing said to |
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| 20:37.35 | jamesstanley | and i thought oss was a pre-requisite for everything else... |
| 20:38.10 | justin | jamesstanley: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 20:38.24 | jamesstanley | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.24 | jamesstanley | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.38 | jamesstanley | but alsaconf always used to list one that was my card and one that wasn't |
| 20:38.47 | jamesstanley | and i think (think) the hda one is the one that doesn't do sound |
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| 20:39.18 | cahoot | jamesstanley: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 && speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 20:39.45 | jamesstanley | it resets alsa card ok |
| 20:39.49 | jamesstanley | but it can't play the sound |
| 20:39.51 | jamesstanley | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 20:39.51 | jamesstanley | Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 20:39.54 | jamesstanley | over and over again |
| 20:40.09 | cahoot | and that's even as root? |
| 20:40.14 | jamesstanley | this is root, yes |
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| 20:40.59 | jamesstanley | cahoot: i don't think my sound card is listed in /proc/asound/cards |
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| 20:41.03 | jamesstanley | i think the one listed is my graphics card |
| 20:41.05 | cahoot | jamesstanley: try alsa force-reload the alsa-utils agian |
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| 20:41.28 | jamesstanley | same error |
| 20:41.44 | jamesstanley | it shuts down and starts alsa with no problems |
| 20:41.45 | jamesstanley | but speaker-test fails |
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| 20:42.37 | silidan | hi, i have 2 sound cards... one onboard and one build in, if i want to make sure that my main soundcard always gets loaded as snd card 0 is /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf still the place to do it in debian sid? |
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| 20:43.08 | cahoot | jamesstanley: no ~/.asoundrc* around? |
| 20:43.10 | Darkedge | Compiz is slowing down my computer like hell, I'm using an Intel Video Card, Does that change anything? |
| 20:43.18 | jamesstanley | cahoot: not for root |
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| 20:43.36 | jamesstanley | there is one for my user but all it does is let me record from sound output |
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| 20:43.45 | jamesstanley | and i haven't changed it since it used to work in lenny |
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| 20:43.58 | Darkedge | brb |
| 20:44.09 | TrueDD_ | Hi all |
| 20:44.41 | cahoot | jamesstanley: alsa force-reload didn't error? |
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| 20:44.55 | jamesstanley | derek-the-great:~# /etc/init.d/alsa-utils force-reload |
| 20:44.55 | jamesstanley | Shutting down ALSA...done. |
| 20:44.55 | jamesstanley | Setting up ALSA...done. |
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| 20:45.05 | jamesstanley | that what i was supposed to do? |
| 20:45.13 | cahoot | jamesstanley: alsa force-reload |
| 20:45.19 | jamesstanley | oh just run that |
| 20:45.23 | jamesstanley | i ran that now |
| 20:45.30 | jamesstanley | and kde says some sound devices were removed |
| 20:45.36 | cahoot | right, then alsa-utils reset |
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| 20:45.44 | jamesstanley | derek-the-great:~# alsa-utils reset |
| 20:45.44 | jamesstanley | bash: alsa-utils: command not found |
| 20:45.53 | cahoot | jamesstanley: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 && speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 20:46.02 | jamesstanley | it works! |
| 20:46.10 | jamesstanley | thank you so much |
| 20:46.13 | BackLash|TheFly | has anyone experimented with changing clock sources? |
| 20:46.24 | paxcoder | Hey people. Are you familiar with goodbye-microsoft.com? Do you know perhaps if their installer offers Testing or something other than pulling from web? My pal has a doubtful net connection when it comes to GNU/Linux. |
| 20:46.27 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 20:46.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:46.51 | BackLash|TheFly | slaps Vasistha |
| 20:46.56 | BackLash|TheFly | dont give me lip |
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| 20:47.01 | jamesstanley | i think BackLash|TheFly was perfectly fine in that question |
| 20:47.09 | jamesstanley | he didn't say "can anyone help", he was more specific |
| 20:47.13 | jamesstanley | but i'll just keep quiet |
| 20:47.28 | BackLash|TheFly | lol that and im not just some random noob |
| 20:47.36 | BackLash|TheFly | is ALWAYS here |
| 20:48.01 | Vasistha | paxcoder: are you saying you |
| 20:48.04 | paxcoder | Vasistha: good that you've mastered the bot, but I asked the question. |
| 20:48.05 | Vasistha | paxcoder: erm, sorry |
| 20:48.05 | Tired | still was ~ bit of a poll |
| 20:48.15 | paxcoder | np. |
| 20:48.29 | paxcoder | sorry for being rude :-) |
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| 20:48.37 | Vasistha | paxcoder: are you saying you want to use the goodbye-microsoft.com utility, but you don't have a reliable network connection? |
| 20:49.14 | paxcoder | well not me (my friend) but basically yes |
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| 20:49.33 | jaysn | whoa |
| 20:49.34 | aibo | hi, how to install php5 without apache2 on lenny? |
| 20:49.44 | jamesstanley | apt-get install php5-cgi |
| 20:49.46 | Vasistha | paxcoder: why don't you just burn him an installer cd? |
| 20:49.47 | jamesstanley | ??? |
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| 20:49.59 | BackLash|TheFly | Anyway im gonna be running a server on Debian that requires a LOT <-- i mean a lot of gettimeofday calls so i want the most accurate clock source available to me, my choices are tsc/hpet/acpi_pm but when i change it echo hpet > /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource it says i changed it then when i reboot it resets |
| 20:50.14 | aibo | jamesstanley: whoa, thx |
| 20:50.21 | jamesstanley | no problem |
| 20:50.22 | paxcoder | Vasistha: he's across the state. He is running out of. And I'm just curious. I think Ubuntu has a similar installer that can do this. |
| 20:50.27 | aibo | btw, how to install mysql-server without exim4? |
| 20:50.37 | jamesstanley | aibo: if you intend to run programs from a shell instead of a web server, get php5-cli |
| 20:50.39 | jamesstanley | instead of cgi |
| 20:50.52 | aibo | i know about apis |
| 20:50.58 | aibo | i'll install cli and cgi for nginx |
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| 20:51.13 | jamesstanley | just apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 20:51.17 | jamesstanley | it doesn't depend on exim |
| 20:51.25 | \amethyst | aibo: install it without recommends, or install a minimal MTA like nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 20:51.26 | aibo | i see exim4 in dependencies |
| 20:51.32 | jamesstanley | ooh, actually it might depend on "any mta" |
| 20:51.39 | Vasistha | paxcoder: well, I mean, when you install a typical linux distro with a DE, you're going to have to download a lot of stuff, and sometimes it's nice to be able to control WHEN that download happens, e.g. before you start installing vs. when you're halfway into it. So why don't you have your friend download and burn an installer cd himself? |
| 20:51.53 | \amethyst | jamesstanley: it recommends mailx which depends on mail-transport-agent |
| 20:51.53 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 20:52.23 | aibo | so? just install mailx? |
| 20:52.33 | \amethyst | aibo: nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 20:53.06 | \amethyst | aibo: or aptitude -R install mysql-server which should omit 'mailx' and therefore the mail-transport-agent dependency |
| 20:53.48 | metalfan | whats the "right" way to change the locale to utf8? ist just running dpkg-reconfigure locales enough? |
| 20:53.52 | paxcoder | Vasistha: If I understood what you're aming at, I ran this installer on Wine. It offers testing btw, and you can choose the GUI, so upgrading it so that it first downloads to the Windows partition, and later after reboot mounts it and mounts the image shouldn't be a problem for one familiar with the installer. |
| 20:54.29 | paxcoder | It's not a problem for him to set up the network later. But I don't know if he can do it from the installer correctly. |
| 20:54.56 | paxcoder | I think he needs some additional prog, and since he has no net, no prog and hence no net :-D |
| 20:55.36 | \amethyst | metalfan: to change it system-wide, for all users, yes (just make sure you select a .UTF-8 locale as the default) |
| 20:55.42 | Vasistha | paxcoder: oh, yeah ... that's why it's nice to get a big cd image, like the 1st debian cd (choose your DE), and install from that image. |
| 20:55.49 | Vasistha | paxcoder: especially for a beginner |
| 20:55.52 | \amethyst | metalfan: or edit /etc/default/locale |
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| 20:56.33 | paxcoder | Vasistha: I thought this installer was for the beginner. Anyway, I can understand people deprecating to burn CD's every now and then. The alternative is of course a netinstall (right?), but this won't work for him. |
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| 20:56.57 | aibo | \amethyst: thx, btw apt-get doesn't contain any options for installing without recommends? |
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| 20:58.43 | \amethyst | aibo: --no-install-recommends |
| 20:58.45 | Vasistha | paxcoder: well, yeah, the goodbye-windows installer is for beginners, but (1) most beginners have an easy-to-setup network connection and (2) installing from cd isn't really that different: although I don't have experience with it, I'm fairly certain the goodbye-windows installer just uses the regular installer -- the nice thing about goodbye-windows is you don't have to burn a cd, it just sets you up |
| 20:58.53 | aibo | \amethyst: one more time thx :) |
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| 21:00.12 | \amethyst | aibo: and the default is configurable... create a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ containing "APT { Install-Recommends "false"; };" |
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| 21:01.59 | aibo | th |
| 21:02.01 | aibo | thanks :) |
| 21:02.27 | Darkedge | Compiz is slowing down my computer like hell, I'm using an Intel Video Card, Does that change anything? |
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| 21:03.09 | amgarchIn9 | how do I find out who answers arp-request "ARP who has X.Y.Z.W" ??? I seem to get wrong MAC-address back |
| 21:03.19 | patrikf | yes. intel does not produce video cards, just onboard chips. those are never as fast as a dedicated graphics adapter. |
| 21:03.52 | helo | i'm using dnsmasq + ipmasq, and it seems to work properly most of the time, but this embedded device is not even attempting to resolve domain names |
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| 21:04.18 | helo | i can type in a google IP and load the page fine, but no dns |
| 21:04.53 | helo | i'm using wireshark to look at the traffic, and there is no data sent when i try to access a domain by name |
| 21:05.00 | Darkedge | patrikf: Thanks for the help, The weird thing is, It's slow even if it's not performing an animation, |
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| 21:05.42 | Darkedge | The main thing that really annoys me, Is how fast I can scroll... |
| 21:05.48 | Vasistha | Darkedge: I don't have any experience with compiz, but I bet it is constantly looking for things to make pretty and putting load on the video card even when there isn't something fancy to show |
| 21:05.55 | soreau | Would anyone be able to tell me how to extract the contents of a deb package? |
| 21:06.09 | Vasistha | soreau: man dpkg |
| 21:06.17 | Darkedge | :/ Could I disable the effects then? |
| 21:06.34 | Vasistha | Darkedge: why don't you just stop using compiz? :) |
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| 21:06.54 | helo | intel is supposed to work well with compiz |
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| 21:07.04 | Vasistha | soreau: I think you want dpkg -x |
| 21:07.13 | soreau | Vasistha: Yes I do, thank you |
| 21:07.52 | Vasistha | then Darkedge should ignore my advice, since I clearly don't know what I'm talking about |
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| 21:09.43 | mjt | Darkedge: compiz is supposed to use 3D primitives for all drawing. If your 3d is slow, everything will be slow... |
| 21:09.56 | helo | the machine just keeps sending ARP who-has requests for 192.168.1.100, which doesn't even exist |
| 21:10.00 | soreau | mjt++ |
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| 21:10.28 | jaggz- | how do I keep my middle mouse button from putting out two middle click events? |
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| 21:10.57 | mjt | Darkedge: but it's not supposed to use CPU if nothing is changing on the screen |
| 21:11.10 | jaggz- | and does ANYONE in the world know how to use the xinput program? it's different here than the 1 example I could find online. this debian version doesn't have this set-int-prop option.. |
| 21:11.13 | mjt | jaggz-: by getting better mouse? |
| 21:11.45 | mjt | jaggz-: just a few days ago i had to replace my mouse because of this very reason: it started generating multiple events for key presses. |
| 21:11.46 | Vasistha | jaggz-: you are venturing into murky waters |
| 21:12.08 | jaggz- | it's the built-in thinkpad mouse buttons :) |
| 21:12.42 | Vasistha | jaggz-: heh, I also have a thinkpad and the same issue, I wonder if I ever got it figured out |
| 21:12.44 | mjt | well, i'd go to service |
| 21:12.54 | jaggz- | I think they have it set some weird way that it can be used as the scrollmouse.. so while fiddling with it I had to keep restarting X which I felt was wrong to have to do, esp. after finding xinput could supposedly let me change the settings |
| 21:13.07 | Vasistha | nope. |
| 21:13.13 | jaggz- | mjt, spiritual teachings? |
| 21:13.18 | Darkedge | Then y is it? |
| 21:13.20 | Darkedge | brb |
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| 21:13.36 | mjt | jaggz-: sorry? |
| 21:14.03 | jaggz- | services |
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| 21:14.54 | jaggz- | Vasistha: nope to what? |
| 21:15.10 | Vasistha | jaggz-: I haven't solved the problem myself :) |
| 21:15.36 | Vasistha | jaggz-: I did set something up for my dad, though -- he wanted to have paste functionality set up on his right mouse button, and I managed to set that up for him, don't remember how. |
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| 21:16.05 | \amethyst | Vasistha: swapped the middle and the right button? :) |
| 21:16.15 | Vasistha | ...and the rightclick functionality moved to this 4th button... he likes middle button = cut, right button = paste, and he doesn't seem to like the rightclick menus. |
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| 21:17.06 | Vasistha | fortunately there's a 4th button where I mapped the rightclick behavior, because sometimes rightclick is indispensable |
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| 21:17.27 | jaggz- | yup |
| 21:17.42 | jaggz- | well the thinkpad has all these buttons.. probably I could make better use of them huh |
| 21:18.18 | jaggz- | but only one middle button (physically), really for the trackpoint.. probably it's sent with the trackpoint nipple mouse events |
| 21:18.26 | Vasistha | I dunno... I disabled the upper three and the eraser-head (trackpoint? whatever) |
| 21:18.46 | jaggz- | I think Nipple Mouse is the official term |
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| 21:19.01 | jelly-one | Vasistha: that's the best part of a Thinkpad! |
| 21:19.24 | Vasistha | jelly-one: ooh, we could start a religious war here! |
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| 21:19.29 | mjt | ooo i *love* trackpoint.. too bad it's almost impossible to find on regular keyboards... |
| 21:19.52 | Vasistha | thinkpads are the best, even if you don't use all the features... |
| 21:20.00 | stew | mjt: ibm sells them |
| 21:20.33 | Arrowmaster | trackpoint is so much better than a touch pad that makes you have to constantly pickup and move your finger |
| 21:20.40 | jelly-one | well, lenovo. And that company that manufactures IBM keyboard clones. |
| 21:20.51 | jaggz- | not much compares to the accuracy of a mouse, except the "natural" (however natural pens and sticks are) extension of the pen/stylus |
| 21:21.04 | Arrowmaster | ive got an old toshiba with it but afaik leveno is the only company making them now |
| 21:21.27 | jaggz- | oh yeah, my toshiba had a trackpoint too |
| 21:21.34 | jaggz- | accupoint maybe .. whateer |
| 21:21.44 | Vasistha | Arrowmaster: I use my thumb on the touchpad when I don't want to move much. never had the patience to become proficient with the trackpoint |
| 21:22.00 | jaggz- | I still have that thing.. 486 25MHz .. maybe 50 :) cool little computer.. 3 hours of life.. have linux on it |
| 21:22.06 | robin_sz | gah, how do you get to the C:\\ drive on this thing? |
| 21:22.14 | jaggz- | that thing went with me to my brother's wedding in virgeenia |
| 21:22.29 | stew | jelly-one: the ones we have are ibm branded, i'm talking about a desktop keyboard, not a laptop |
| 21:22.34 | beardy | robin_sz: What thing? |
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| 21:22.43 | fredl | robin_sz - 'this thing' ? |
| 21:22.46 | jaggz- | robin, read an intro to linux tutorial.. you'll be grateful you did |
| 21:22.57 | jaggz- | unless you're trolling.. in case.. haha, that was funny. |
| 21:23.05 | robin_sz | hehe |
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| 21:23.08 | robin_sz | would I? |
| 21:23.21 | setog3 | do you know a debian package to learn anatmy (and neuro anatomy ? ) |
| 21:23.32 | jelly-one | stew, do they have three buttons? |
| 21:23.54 | beardy | setog3: No, but "/msg dpkg search" to learn how to search for packages, maybe you'll find something. |
| 21:23.56 | robin_sz | i suppose it makes a change from my usual "where can I get debian for vista" |
| 21:24.16 | stew | jelly-one: two buttons. one also has a touchpad (which is unmanagable with synaptics utilities) |
| 21:24.19 | beardy | setog3: 'apt-cache search anatomy' for instance. |
| 21:24.39 | jaggz- | if you have spare time, can you help me find a PVC sheet manufacturer/distributor where I can get one sheet of between 1/4" to 3/8" solid (not expanded) white PVC? |
| 21:25.07 | robin_sz | sure you mean PVC? |
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| 21:25.29 | jaggz- | setog3, and a lot of that medical software may not be available as debian packages, so do some web searches for linux biology software with some helpful keywords |
| 21:25.37 | jelly-one | ew. I'll go for a touchpadless lenovo laptop-like keyboard then, stew. It has a proper middle button. |
| 21:25.53 | jaggz- | robin, anything in the vinyl family which will adhere to actual vinyl upholstery material (when using a vinyl glue/solvent) |
| 21:25.56 | setog3 | jaggz-: ok will try this (apt-cache search havent return many results for now) |
| 21:26.10 | beardy | jelly-one: c-lit? |
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| 21:27.06 | robin_sz | jaggz-, in the UK I would reccommend Visijar Tuckers as a useful plastics distributor, that may or may not be useful depending on your location |
| 21:27.08 | jaggz- | the rest of the equipment is made of pvc pipe so it would make sense for this to be in PVC.. my tests with PVC show the vinyl adhesives bond to it |
| 21:27.20 | jaggz- | oh, no.. sorry, Los Angeles, CA |
| 21:27.53 | robin_sz | ah, nice place, wish I was there |
| 21:28.04 | ksnp | anyone have problem with debian and apache2 giving problem with execCGI ? |
| 21:28.05 | mjt | looks around... is it #debian we're in? |
| 21:28.25 | jelly-one | beardy, not lit but it has one. |
| 21:28.32 | beardy | ksnp: Specify more exactly what problem you are having. |
| 21:28.32 | stew | ksnp: why do you ask? |
| 21:28.42 | jaysn | is this the right place to ask questions about that goodbye-microsoft.com thing? |
| 21:28.43 | dustybin | anybody here use rsnapshot, this is the best thing since sliced bread |
| 21:28.45 | robin_sz | ksnp, you can assume not, because people woudl be screaming by now if anyone did |
| 21:29.09 | jelly-one | dustybin: dirvish runs circles around it! |
| 21:29.22 | dustybin | whos dirvish? |
| 21:29.35 | jelly-one | judd, info dirvish |
| 21:29.35 | judd | jelly-one: dirvish (admin): is optional; Version: 1.2.1-1.1; Size: 59.0k; Installed: 244k -- Filesystem based backup system using rsync |
| 21:29.44 | dustybin | oh no |
| 21:29.45 | dustybin | lol |
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| 21:30.04 | jelly-one | yet another rsync wrapper |
| 21:30.12 | jaysn | the goodbye-microsoft.com thing is really cool |
| 21:30.13 | dustybin | jelly-one: why does it run circles around it? |
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| 21:30.19 | jaysn | my machine, on the other hand. not so cool. |
| 21:30.56 | jelly-one | dustybin, much nicer expiry and backup rules setting |
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| 21:30.57 | gnot | hi all. how can i set the installation mirror as a kernel option? |
| 21:30.57 | Vasistha | jaggz-: nice -- where in LA? I'm in culver city |
| 21:31.19 | Vasistha | jaggz-: I've seen plastics shops around town, never needed their services |
| 21:31.35 | dustybin | goes back to the drawing board |
| 21:31.37 | jaggz- | Vasistha, cool! I grew up in CC |
| 21:31.41 | jelly-one | dustybin, it seems to be more made for local backups though. |
| 21:31.44 | jaggz- | I'm near Olympic/La Cienega |
| 21:31.51 | ksnp | beardy, stew, robin_sz : i am using 2.2.9-10+lenny4 version, with the httpd.conf having +ExecCGI it gives permission error, but not with ExecCGI (without the +), also a net search shows some bug being talked about on Sep 16, 2009 |
| 21:31.51 | jaysn | hmm |
| 21:31.55 | dustybin | jelly-one: remote is essential for me |
| 21:31.58 | Vasistha | gnot: as a ... kernel option? or... perhaps you mean a bootup option? Or ... maybe you need to specify a mirror before you start downloading? |
| 21:32.26 | jaggz- | what about you? |
| 21:32.45 | gnot | Vasistha: yes as a bootup option is a better description of what i need. is: linux install method=http:... ok? |
| 21:32.45 | Vasistha | jaggz-: helms bakery / helms ave south of washington |
| 21:33.07 | jaggz- | right nearby kinda |
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| 21:33.26 | jaggz- | how long ya been using linux? :) |
| 21:33.35 | Vasistha | gnot: you know, I just don't know if that's supported ... it might be ... but I have no idea. I am tempted to ask why :) |
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| 21:33.57 | jaysn | the goodbye-microsoft.com program doesn't find my wireless(rtl8187b) thing. i should've saved the log |
| 21:34.01 | Vasistha | jaggz-: #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:34.52 | Vasistha | rtl8187 ... oooh, those ... if that's the kind of radio I'm thinking of, those *suck* |
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| 21:35.12 | jaysn | Vasistha: i don't like 'em |
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| 21:36.03 | Vasistha | jaysn: yeah, I wouldn't expect the driver to be in any kind of default installer, I don't believe it's anywhere near stable. Thing used to make my kernel freeze ... I think large uploads trigger a freeze. |
| 21:36.30 | gnot | Vasistha: nevermind. probably i am not quite sure if this is what i need. i'll look around a bit at debian.org and report back with a better question :) |
| 21:36.38 | yansanmo | hi, one a server, apt-get update failed to fetch files, when I try to fetch it with wget it failed, but If I put --user-agent=Mozilla in wget, it's ok |
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| 21:38.04 | yansanmo | is there something that could block apt-get fetching somewhere? |
| 21:38.09 | Vasistha | gnot: I'm sure it is possible to specify the download mirror, but I think you may need to do it after booting into the installer environment. Also, I don't know if it's possible to avoid using security.debian.org ... although you could hack it by putting your mirror's ip into /etc/hosts with security.debian.org :) |
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| 21:39.03 | jaysn | Vasistha: i didn't have expectations for supporting a piece of frustration hardware in the goodbye-microsoft.com thing, but one can always be optimistic. i'm not worried about freezes or kernel panics. i don't upload much of anything, but my machine's uploaded a few things...mysteriously |
| 21:39.11 | Vasistha | yansanmo: sounds kind of strange, but it could be you're on a network that is filtering any traffic not originating from a recognized browser |
| 21:39.35 | gnot | Vasistha: btw i have a question about the mirrors. What is a path to a mirror? For example, is this correct: ftp://ftp.example.org/debian/dists/etch/main/ ? Or do i have to specify another subdirectory? |
| 21:39.46 | yansanmo | is there a way that I could send a header when I do apt-get ? |
| 21:40.00 | Vasistha | !mirrors |
| 21:40.00 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
| 21:40.09 | helo | is there an option that might disable a dhcp client from paying attention to the DNS part of a DHCP response? |
| 21:40.25 | Vasistha | gnot: whatever it says on the mirror list for the url is what you should use in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:40.40 | helo | this machine keeps trying 192.168.1.100 as the dns server, but the dhcp server is clearly responding with 192.168.1.1 |
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| 21:41.13 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hello |
| 21:41.16 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/17d78d23c04d4e29?pli=1 |
| 21:41.26 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | please, anyone having this problem in squeeze? that was the only topic that I found |
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| 21:41.38 | mjt | helo: one can configure different nameserver in, say, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:42.02 | jaysn | i wonder if i could use that installer shell to mount the local disk with some data on there and build the module that way? |
| 21:42.09 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | nameserver foo.foo.foof.oo |
| 21:42.21 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | like, nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 21:43.07 | jaggz- | I got my thinkpad's touchpad to have the circular-scrolling .. it's very nice |
| 21:43.15 | jaggz- | even my old t40 supports it |
| 21:43.24 | jaysn | i need a wired connection |
| 21:43.36 | Vasistha | jaysn: well anyway, I'm fairly certain there is a way to install a wireless card driver into the installer kernel. There should be instructions for it somewhere in the installation manual |
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| 21:43.52 | helo | hmm... resolv.conf has something completely different, which seems to be a valid dns server... |
| 21:44.03 | helo | besides, shouldn't the dhcp dns settings override resolv.conf usually? |
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| 21:44.08 | jaysn | Vasistha: thank you kindly |
| 21:44.09 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | yes |
| 21:44.19 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | supersed in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 21:44.23 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | or something like that |
| 21:44.37 | stew | Kamus_H_Zwisch: it looks like you just have to rebuild the snort source package |
| 21:44.44 | stew | Kamus_H_Zwisch: or you could request a binnmu from -release |
| 21:45.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | yeah, seens so. well, I will just build it |
| 21:45.14 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | thanks for your time |
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| 21:45.56 | stew | Kamus_H_Zwisch: you might check lists.debian.org/debian-release to see if it's been mentioned (that's where a binNMU could be requested) |
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| 21:47.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | thank you stew, I will take a look |
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| 21:49.03 | yansanmo | Vasistha, woah, i've changed the user-agent with vim -b "http" executable and set mozilla, and it works! thanks |
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| 21:49.13 | yansanmo | suggested on http://www.debianhelp.org/node/8460 |
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| 21:49.27 | Darkedge | Opps |
| 21:50.17 | Darkedge | Here's the rap, When I do Compiz --replace except It makes my comp. slow, Even if it's not drawing anything, Any ideas, I'm using an Intel Chipset... |
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| 21:55.25 | cwheeler | when I replace the Debian 5.0 kernel with the latest kernel from kernel.org and configure it the same as the stock debian kernel it breaks networking, anyone know what's going on? |
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| 21:58.07 | Vasistha | cwheeler: nope... why don't you just use backports instead? |
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| 21:59.49 | mjt | is running stock 2.6.31 on debian lenny |
| 21:59.56 | mjt | and i haven't seen any networking breakage |
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| 22:00.34 | mjt | typing from such a machine right now, while irc session is running on another. network is working... ;) |
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| 22:01.38 | jaggz- | okay.. well I have to get going.. power supply's fan in this one system seems dead .. pulled it out but need to take apart another PSU since I don't have an extra fan around .. |
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| 22:02.12 | cwheeler | Vasistha the debian kernel breaks my dvd burner |
| 22:02.47 | cwheeler | if I use the debian kernel my dvd burner doesn't work, if I use the same version kernel.org kernel it works fine |
| 22:03.02 | Vasistha | cwheeler: the stock one? like I said, have you tried backports? |
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| 22:03.14 | Vasistha | damn, that's sucky |
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| 22:06.45 | zenergi | is there any consensus on the best tripwire type app for a server? ( AIDE, bsign, systraq, tripwire, etc. )? |
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| 22:07.18 | cwheeler | yes the stock debian 5.0 kernel breaks my dvd burner |
| 22:07.48 | Vasistha | cwheeler: again I ask you, have you tried backports? |
| 22:07.51 | cwheeler | well using a kernel.org kernel fixes it, i have not looked into which patch breaks it |
| 22:08.05 | cwheeler | no i haven't tried backports, I didn't think of it |
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| 22:08.56 | ksnp | is webmin a good management tool with debian ? |
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| 22:09.16 | bkjoe | NO |
| 22:09.38 | Vasistha | !webmin |
| 22:09.38 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 22:09.40 | catsup | lol |
| 22:09.51 | catsup | is ksnp a troll |
| 22:10.18 | Vasistha | don't think so |
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| 22:11.26 | ksnp | ok, i wont use it then, thanks for the info |
| 22:11.39 | ksnp | any comment on this : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341700#12 ? is it still there, seems to be really major if true ? |
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| 22:13.26 | Vasistha | ksnp: the original bug was filed in 2005, it is probably not in lenny or anything newer |
| 22:13.34 | Vasistha | maybe not even in etch |
| 22:13.43 | themill | judd versions apache |
| 22:13.43 | judd | themill: apache -- etch: 1.3.34-4.1+etch1 |
| 22:13.59 | themill | ksnp: that's for apache 1.3 which is only in etch. |
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| 22:16.01 | catsup | lol ksnp why are you looking at that bug |
| 22:17.08 | ksnp | ok |
| 22:17.22 | ksnp | because i had a problem with execcgi and searched and tha tdate is sep 16, 2009 very recent |
| 22:17.33 | ksnp | when i put execcgi it works, but not when i put +execcgi |
| 22:17.35 | Vasistha | he's probably searching for errors similar to the one he's experiencing |
| 22:17.39 | ksnp | isn't that strange ? |
| 22:17.58 | ksnp | Vasistha, yep! |
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| 22:21.45 | Darkedge | ... |
| 22:21.48 | angevin | rides his panzer tank over the anarcho-syndicalist Communist Jew Richard Stallman crushing his legs then throw him in a high convective glass oven based on the second law of thermodynamics |
| 22:21.54 | angevin | http://www.freebsd.org http://www.netbsd.org http://www.openbsd.org |
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| 22:23.56 | angevin | rides his panzer tank over the anarcho-syndicalist Communist Jew Richard Stallman crushing his legs then throws him in a high convective glass oven based on the second law of thermodynamics |
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| 22:43.26 | romano2k | good evening everyone! |
| 22:43.36 | romano2k | i get this error message when i'm manipulating aptitude : http://pastebin.ca/1596048 |
| 22:43.52 | romano2k | i already tried to reinstall locales but it didn't help |
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| 22:44.39 | themill | !locale |
| 22:44.40 | dpkg | from memory, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 22:45.14 | themill | romano2k: running "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and selecting the fr_FR.UTF-8 locale should be enough |
| 22:45.24 | babilen | romano2k: do you generate the locale in question? (fr_FR.UTF-8) |
| 22:45.30 | romano2k | themill: tried that already |
| 22:46.19 | romano2k | and i selected fr_FR.UTF-8 as the default locale |
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| 22:50.52 | km | what is the command for capturing terminal output? |
| 22:51.57 | themill | script |
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| 22:52.56 | km | thanks |
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| 23:10.11 | selbeimanti | hi, any special reason iceweasel is still at 3.0.x, even in testing? |
| 23:10.21 | selbeimanti | couldn't find anything in the forum. |
| 23:10.30 | jaysn | do the netinstalls default to the base install after so many tries/fails at reading mirrors? |
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| 23:16.13 | mastermanx | how is the live cd install on debian is it nice |
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| 23:17.24 | jaysn | i need to learn more |
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| 23:18.53 | acidtripper | SUCKERS! |
| 23:19.01 | jelly-one | mastermanx, there is no live cd install yet. |
| 23:21.14 | TrueDD_ | Good night all |
| 23:21.40 | mastermanx | i thought i seen one |
| 23:21.40 | mastermanx | before |
| 23:21.46 | mastermanx | cuz i dl the dvd iso one |
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| 23:22.56 | bluethundr | php newb here. for some reason my little hello world example isn't hello worlding. anyone mind if I paste the pastebin of my little proglet? |
| 23:23.01 | bluethundr | http://pastebin.com/m2aea793f |
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| 23:23.18 | jelly-one | bluethundr, try ##php ? |
| 23:23.20 | bluethundr | #php is asleep |
| 23:23.29 | bluethundr | ##php? not #php? |
| 23:23.51 | jelly-one | I might be mistaken about the name. |
| 23:24.28 | bluethundr | ah.. yes I couldn't get into the freenode #php for some reason. so I am the dalnet #php. |
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| 23:25.01 | babilen | bluethundr: you are aware that this is #debian? |
| 23:25.07 | bluethundr | yes |
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| 23:25.31 | jaysn | bluethundr: why did you choose php? |
| 23:25.38 | ksnp | does apache2 run as root by default on debian ? |
| 23:25.42 | ksnp | (installed from package) |
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| 23:25.47 | bluethundr | jaysn: I didn't. my job did. |
| 23:25.49 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: no |
| 23:26.07 | babilen | bluethundr: why did you choose that job? (just kidding) |
| 23:26.07 | jaysn | bluethundr: thank you |
| 23:26.12 | jaysn | heh |
| 23:26.33 | dondelelcaro | (well, it runs as root to bind to port 80, but beyond that, it doesn't run as root) |
| 23:27.30 | bluethundr | babilen: I obviously am too dumb to find free pr0n on the net and therefore have to pay exorbitant sums to satisfy my compulsive urge to see examples of rule 34 |
| 23:28.03 | babilen | bluethundr: point taken ;-) |
| 23:28.08 | bluethundr | heh |
| 23:28.19 | jaysn | why settle for porn when there are real people on the end of most messages? |
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| 23:28.42 | dondelelcaro | folks, your discussion is totally OT for #debian. Take it elsewhere, please. |
| 23:28.43 | bluethundr | jaysn: there are no womens on the internets |
| 23:28.57 | jaysn | bluethundr: yes there are |
| 23:29.06 | dondelelcaro | jaysn, bluethundr: stop, please. |
| 23:29.23 | jaysn | pardon |
| 23:29.27 | bluethundr | pardon |
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| 23:36.05 | iluminator101 | Whats a planner/calendar add on for thunderbird or in general? |
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| 23:37.04 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: iceowl is the icedove calendaring app |
| 23:37.33 | babilen | iluminator101: google? first hit (thunderbird calendar) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ |
| 23:37.40 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro: sweeeet |
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| 23:45.41 | jaysn | are errors numbered in debian? |
| 23:46.04 | ksnp | i keep getting ""Options ExecCGI is off in this directory" although i have addhandler, and Options ExecCGI setup in httpd.conf |
| 23:46.19 | babilen | jaysn: what do you mean? |
| 23:46.57 | jaysn | babilen: well, for example, there are http error codes. does debian have something similar? |
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| 23:47.18 | jaysn | to diagnose issues independent language |
| 23:47.38 | iluminator101 | how do i integrate iceowl with icedove? |
| 23:47.50 | babilen | jaysn: Debian as in all software shipped by it? I guess no, but you might want to elaborate on your definition of "Debian" |
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| 23:48.39 | jaysn | babilen: sure. i meant the debian as shipped in the official distribution as the base install |
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| 23:50.23 | themill | jaysn: "man 3 errno"? |
| 23:50.31 | babilen | jaysn: I don't quite understand what you mean. You have different packages installed with a Debian base install, each pieve of software defines might define it's own set of error numbering (as in return values) |
| 23:50.37 | stew | (after installing manpages-dev) |
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| 23:51.58 | jaysn | babilen: that's fine and even helpful if there were to be some program to read and gather all of those into one database that can be translated into common errors |
| 23:52.05 | babilen | that are POSIX *function* return values, that the user does not usually see. Apart from some subleties there is only exit code!=0 -> error |
| 23:52.41 | babilen | or rather error code != 0 <=> error |
| 23:53.29 | babilen | jaysn: are we talking about return values of programs, or error numbers you have to deal with when you are programming? |
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| 23:54.21 | jaysn | babilen: all of the above |
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| 23:54.53 | seeS | usually 0 good 1 bad for most programs |
| 23:54.55 | babilen | jaysn: if we are talking about return values/exit codes you are out of luck. there is no standard and every program basically includes it's own definition. |
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| 23:55.08 | seeS | but yeah, there is no consistency |
| 23:55.24 | jaysn | babilen: does there have to be consistency for a function to be established? |
| 23:56.46 | babilen | jaysn: huh? For functions as in, for example, C code there are the POSIX error constants (man 3 errno) but you will not exit() with them... |
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| 23:57.34 | babilen | jaysn: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:57.40 | seeS | actually some programs do exit with those constants too :) |
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| 23:58.02 | babilen | seeS: I know, but this is really bad behaviour |
| 23:58.14 | jaysn | babilen: well, in c, standardization isn't really necessary. if they can read c, they don't need help most of the times. i can read c and i'm helpless, but that's besides the point. the point is that people who don't speak fluent english could submit questions about debian failures as a string of int's |
| 23:58.17 | seeS | yup, i usually limit myself to 0 and 1 |
| 23:58.26 | babilen | seeS: the POSIX/C99/.. constants might be well outside of the range allowed for exit codes |
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| 23:58.50 | themill | it'd be easier to have this conversation once in #debian-offtopic rather than once in here and a repeat performance/echo in there |
| 23:59.09 | jaysn | i agree |
| 23:59.24 | babilen | +1 |
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