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| 03:32.30 | *** topic/#debian is lenny (debian 5.0.3) released!: /msg dpkg lennyr3 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 released /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 03:32.50 | kkdsk | hi, how can i set default VT font size in xterm ? i want small |
| 03:33.27 | kkdsk | i can set the font i want in .Xresources but i can't set the size ( from right click menu= |
| 03:33.30 | kkdsk | ) |
| 03:34.06 | dkr | kkdsk: I use XTerm*faceName: Monospace and XTerm*faceSize: 12 |
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| 03:35.10 | dkr | you can put commands like that in your ~/..Xresources |
| 03:35.17 | xeon-enouf | for me, the actual window size changes when i alter fontsize |
| 03:35.21 | dkr | er, ~/.Xresources |
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| 03:35.38 | dkr | yeah, it's based on the number of characters in width and height, not [ixels |
| 03:35.41 | xeon-enouf | which is just ...stupid |
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| 03:36.42 | kkdsk | i have the font i want (terminus) set in .Xresources , but when i start xterm it looks bold, if i select from the right click menu size "small" it looks ok |
| 03:36.53 | xeon-enouf | i didn't ask for it to alter window size |
| 03:36.55 | kkdsk | i would like to make that default |
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| 03:38.00 | km | what id seamonkey? |
| 03:38.04 | km | is |
| 03:38.13 | km | a browser |
| 03:38.16 | simonrvn | a browser |
| 03:38.18 | xeon-enouf | id? |
| 03:38.29 | km | s/id/si |
| 03:38.34 | km | s/id/is/ |
| 03:38.47 | xeon-enouf | seamonkey == suite, IINM |
| 03:39.01 | kkdsk | anyone ? you know, hold ctrl and right click xterm, it shows VT fonts : default, unreadable, .. i want to have small permanent, how can i do it, setting the font in Xresources won't do it |
| 03:39.19 | xeon-enouf | 4 firepoop things - all rolled into one |
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| 03:40.23 | xeon-enouf | kkdsk: learn shift-[+/-] |
| 03:40.40 | simonrvn | yes it will, you set the font size. the right click menu setting isn't that important |
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| 03:40.48 | km | should i install firefox or seamonkey? |
| 03:41.06 | simonrvn | up to you |
| 03:41.11 | km | which is a better browser |
| 03:41.26 | kpearce | hi - I just installed lenny from a netinst cd on an inspiron 14. The netinst cd had no problem accessing the network over wired ethernet, but for some reason I can't get a dhcp response now that I'm booted up. It just tries dhcpdiscover over and over and gets no response. Another computer connected by wired to the router on the same port works fine. Any ideas? |
| 03:41.31 | simonrvn | both suck and rock in various ways |
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| 03:41.43 | ryan______ | that one |
| 03:41.50 | xeon-enouf | km: install iceweasel == browser only |
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| 03:41.56 | simonrvn | and that is completely subjective ;) |
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| 03:42.20 | km | if do a complet install on seamonkey, what else it install other than the browser |
| 03:42.34 | simonrvn | you sure it's connected? ;) |
| 03:42.39 | simonrvn | kpearce: ^^^ |
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| 03:42.58 | kpearce | simonrvn: yes, I checked that repeatedly. The light on my ethernet port and the light on the router both light up |
| 03:43.00 | xeon-enouf | km: is seamonkey in Debian? |
| 03:43.02 | ajavid | MAN |
| 03:43.04 | km | is iceweasel = firefox? |
| 03:43.08 | simonrvn | km: apt-cache show seamonkey |
| 03:43.12 | ajavid | !iceweasael |
| 03:43.14 | ajavid | !iceweasel |
| 03:43.15 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 03:43.17 | ajavid | !seamonkey |
| 03:43.21 | ajavid | well it is |
| 03:43.26 | ajavid | its called iceape or some such maybe? |
| 03:43.51 | xeon-enouf | judd: verions seamonkey? |
| 03:43.51 | judd | xeon-enouf: Error: "verions" is not a valid command. |
| 03:43.57 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions seamonkey |
| 03:43.58 | judd | xeon-enouf: seamonkey -- |
| 03:44.04 | ajavid | judd versions iceape |
| 03:44.05 | judd | ajavid: iceape -- etch: 1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1 sid: 1.1.13-1 sid: 1.1.17-2 |
| 03:44.10 | ajavid | !+info iceape sid |
| 03:44.12 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:44.18 | thirst | hi guys.. i connected my external USB to a mac and tried to format one partition .. but it blew away the entire partition table. :( I had 3 partitions first two of which I know the exact size, any way I can use fdisk to re create the partition table ? |
| 03:44.21 | simonrvn | i'm eating right now, so typing one hand... |
| 03:44.31 | ajavid | simonrvn, i do that too! |
| 03:44.34 | dpkg | iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.17-2 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 03:44.35 | kpearce | simonrvn: also, when I try to connect it says there is already a dhclient.eth0.pid and it has to kill the old dhclient, but ps aux doesn't show any dhclient process |
| 03:44.36 | xeon-enouf | !icep00p |
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| 03:44.47 | ajavid | simonrvn, we're not so different ... you and I! |
| 03:44.49 | ajavid | lol |
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| 03:45.24 | simonrvn | try manually. rm the file and launch it. |
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| 03:45.56 | Bob_Dole | I've got an iMac, and mac os x 10.2 reports it as a version 32.1, I had problems in the past with ubuntu first not being able to find the CD-ROM drive(I got around that with a USB CD-ROM drive) and then kernel panicking, is there a place I can go to see if debian supports it? |
| 03:47.15 | simonrvn | Bob_Dole: what sort of imac? most if not all all supported in debian |
| 03:47.24 | simonrvn | all are* |
| 03:47.49 | pickcoder | Bob_Dole: try it |
| 03:48.34 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i was having problems disabling the touchpad but once i got that fixed, i got a new problem with the external mouse; e.g. when i click on a drop-down menu and release the button, the drop down menu closes; it's like i clicked somewhere else. here is the link to the code i added to the xorg.conf file and the end of it: http://paste.debian.net/46185/ |
| 03:51.12 | dec3pti0n | where can I find a list of all official debian etch/lenny repositories |
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| 03:51.37 | simonrvn | !mirror list |
| 03:51.37 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 03:52.28 | benjamindees | so my wifi card doesn't associate if I use 'ifup' but it does if I manually use 'ifconfig' and 'iwconfig'... |
| 03:53.13 | benjamindees | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:54.35 | benjamindees | nothing is encrypted; this is on Lenny |
| 03:54.38 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: ifupdown is kind of deprecated in lieu of 'ip' |
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| 03:55.35 | Sertse | hi |
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| 03:56.02 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: seems dh* related |
| 03:56.16 | xeon-enouf | as in DHCP, not debheleper |
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| 03:56.32 | benjamindees | tries static |
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| 03:57.40 | ajavid | hey |
| 03:57.50 | ajavid | static dhcp |
| 03:57.52 | simonrvn | you could have a post-up line too; seen that suggested. |
| 03:58.19 | xeon-enouf | benjamindees: or ,, dhcpcd-bin ethX ; dhclient* ethX or something' |
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| 03:59.15 | benjamindees | static IP worked |
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| 04:00.22 | benjamindees | dhcp worked the 'first' time after using static |
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| 04:03.25 | benjamindees | xeon-enouf: you have a bug number or that's the reason it's deprecated? |
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| 04:04.04 | xeon-enouf | dunno |
| 04:04.31 | benjamindees | you have the same problem? |
| 04:04.37 | xeon-enouf | iproute pkg has been trying to replace ifupdown for years |
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| 04:04.48 | RideExile1 | quick question |
| 04:04.50 | benjamindees | why do you say it's dhcp related? |
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| 04:04.57 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 04:05.16 | xeon-enouf | because it is |
| 04:05.35 | RideExile1 | when I installed debian, I could setup remote desktop through the gui but it was turned off and I only have access by ssh |
| 04:05.51 | RideExile1 | do I have to install vnc or can I turn it on through ssh like I did with the gui? |
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| 04:07.29 | benjamindees | xeon-enouf: stale dhclient3 process? |
| 04:07.58 | xeon-enouf | i doubt it benjamindees |
| 04:08.24 | benjamindees | I had one; killing it seems to have fixed the prob |
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| 04:09.09 | benjamindees | or not :-/ |
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| 04:17.13 | Mish_ | I have "etch-backports" listed in my apt sources, how can I get proftpd to update to the etch-backports version? |
| 04:18.44 | pickcoder | Mish_: that should happen automatically if you have done an aptitude update to pull the package info from bpo |
| 04:19.24 | Mish_ | That's what I thought, no dice, very weird, thanks for your answer! |
| 04:20.33 | KDE4000 | Anyone got any good tutorials for setting up sendmail to remotely forward email to another mail server? |
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| 04:22.56 | pickcoder | Mish_: you are on Etch, right? |
| 04:23.12 | Mish_ | I am. |
| 04:23.48 | pickcoder | any reason you haven't upgraded? |
| 04:24.10 | Mish_ | *grins*, new job, we will be. |
| 04:25.53 | kraut | moin |
| 04:26.15 | pickcoder | KDE4000: remotely forward mail to another server?? |
| 04:26.25 | pickcoder | you mean perform as a smarthost? |
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| 04:26.38 | pickcoder | or relay your mail through a smarthost |
| 04:26.59 | pickcoder | I.E. route your mail through ISP's SMTP server |
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| 04:29.19 | pickcoder | KDE4000: the batbook is always helpful if you have a few years to read it |
| 04:29.27 | pickcoder | or you can install postfix or exim |
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| 04:32.21 | benjamindees | This is fairly disappointing so far. ifupdown seems to have regressed. The system locked up on first boot after install. My video card is still not fully supported; I had to write an xorg.conf manually. Xorg makes my monitor do all sorts of painful flashing every time it starts, which I can't seem to override. And I'm not sure I completely trust the driver for my DVD-ROM. |
| 04:33.10 | benjamindees | Oh and my ethernet driver says "Invalid MAC address found in EEPROM" on every boot. |
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| 04:34.02 | pickcoder | benjamindees: what ethernet card? |
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| 04:34.10 | benjamindees | pickcoder: b44 |
| 04:34.20 | pickcoder | what is a b44? |
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| 04:34.55 | benjamindees | Actually that's not even my network card. |
| 04:35.08 | benjamindees | b44 is a broadcom ethernet card driver |
| 04:35.22 | pickcoder | well broadcom doesn't want to play in the OSS world |
| 04:35.33 | pickcoder | buy Intel if you want supported hardware |
| 04:35.57 | benjamindees | Yeah like I said I don't even have a broadcom nic, but I get the message and it's somewhat disconcerting. |
| 04:36.24 | pickcoder | so blacklist it |
| 04:37.15 | pickcoder | if not high-level driver is using it, then there is no point having it load |
| 04:37.19 | pickcoder | s/not/no |
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| 04:39.04 | pickcoder | the real question is what hardware is causing it to be loaded |
| 04:39.13 | pickcoder | I.E. look at the udev scripts |
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| 04:45.20 | benjamindees | I have a b43legacy wifi card that I'm sure has something to do with it. |
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| 04:49.46 | dec3pti0n | i'm trying to install tetex-bin on etch but I keep on getting this "tetex-bin: Depends: tetex-base (>= 3.0-4) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 04:50.16 | dec3pti0n | but there is no such tetex-base version provided on main or etch-backports |
| 04:51.12 | km | hi, i have add exception permannetly but sometime it popup warn "domain name mismatch" when i connect to https via ip address instead of domanname in the url. any ideas? |
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| 04:51.43 | km | when i use domainame in the url it always work, but not with ip. any thought? |
| 04:53.06 | benjamindees | add an exception for the IP address? |
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| 04:56.21 | simonrvn | dec3pti0n: why are you still using etch? |
| 04:56.25 | benjamindees | dec3pti0n: what do you have in your sources.list, besides backports? have you run update lately? |
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| 04:57.39 | dec3pti0n | yeah this is bootstrap of base etch .. I think I messed something up on an update grabbing stuff from backports |
| 04:59.26 | dec3pti0n | simonrvn, backporting pg 8.4 to it |
| 04:59.45 | simonrvn | oh :/ |
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| 05:08.03 | km | i did add exception for ht ip address |
| 05:09.14 | km | does it have anything to with reverse look up on turn on? |
| 05:09.25 | mactimes | Hi. I currently run Etch as my local server and would like to upgrade it to Lenny. Is there a safe way to do it without having to perform a clean install? |
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| 05:10.32 | mactimes | Oh, btw, I don't have GUI installed. |
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| 05:13.03 | benjamindees | mactimes: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 05:13.15 | mactimes | benjamindees: Thank you. |
| 05:14.18 | mactimes | benjamindees: Alright. Is that safe to do? |
| 05:14.53 | benjamindees | I'm sure it wouldn't be there if it weren't |
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| 05:15.12 | mactimes | benjamindees: Alright, then. Thank you again. |
| 05:16.03 | nsadmin | the main thing he needs to do first is read the lenny release notes |
| 05:17.41 | benjamindees | hmm I'm guessing the installer will use my firmware in /lib/firmware if I'm doing a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 05:17.46 | simonrvn | !lenny release notes |
| 05:17.46 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
| 05:17.57 | benjamindees | we'll find out |
| 05:18.02 | simonrvn | bah, s/he left |
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| 05:20.58 | benjamindees | is there really a reason for using aptitude over apt-get assuming I'm not an idiot who can't keep track of sources? |
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| 05:29.59 | mhymn | benjamindees: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 05:32.30 | benjamindees | hmm, anybody know more about this in the NewInLenny doc? "kexec+readahead+insserv+dash can give faster boot" |
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| 05:35.20 | benjamindees | haha |
| 05:35.24 | benjamindees | !411280 |
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| 05:41.50 | benjamindees | ooh Lenny can be installed from Windows; nice. |
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| 05:49.15 | catsup | hi, either i have a problem with my keyring, or someone at my isp or something is trying to break into my computer |
| 05:49.20 | gaintsura | I asked once, got the answer, fixed it, and now I can't remember how I fixed it.. when I boot up I get this message 'unknown vga type 3b6 or something of the sort, press space to continue, enter to select a vga type or wait 30 sec' I know what number it needs to be (as far as what gets displayed to me, but that is not the correct number, its for the vga= part on the kernel line in menu.lst, any ideas? |
| 05:49.43 | gaintsura | catsup: thats not very well explained, whats the issue? |
| 05:49.53 | catsup | it's saying it doesn't have the signature for a package |
| 05:50.03 | catsup | i have a stable installation, installing from stable repos, updated |
| 05:50.15 | catsup | it says that for apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 05:50.33 | gaintsura | ok, did you recently add a repo to your sources? |
| 05:50.50 | catsup | no |
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| 05:51.45 | catsup | apparently my debian-keyring is qutie old |
| 05:51.52 | catsup | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.52 | catsup | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.11 | flokuehn | gaintsura: sorry, gut whats your question? what do you want to know? |
| 05:52.23 | catsup | btw gaintsura the vga.txt in kernel docs explains what the arg should be |
| 05:52.37 | catsup | no wait |
| 05:52.40 | catsup | it's fb.txt |
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| 05:53.20 | catsup | omg no it's fb/vesafb.txt.g |
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| 05:53.55 | gaintsura | ? |
| 05:54.08 | catsup | /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.18/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt.gz or whatever |
| 05:54.17 | catsup | The graphic modes are NOT in the list which you get if you boot with |
| 05:54.17 | catsup | vga=ask and hit return. The mode you wish to use is derived from the |
| 05:54.17 | catsup | VESA mode number. Here are those VESA mode numbers: |
| 05:54.22 | catsup | then there's a table |
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| 05:54.51 | flokuehn | gaintsura: is it that you want to know? |
| 05:54.52 | gaintsura | thanks, thats the table I need |
| 05:55.37 | catsup | how do i get this debian-keyring on here |
| 05:55.42 | gaintsura | but I don't have that manual |
| 05:55.43 | catsup | without being potentially compromised |
| 05:55.44 | gaintsura | :( |
| 05:55.51 | catsup | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 05:55.54 | gaintsura | :) |
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| 05:56.10 | catsup | i searched google for "vesafb.txt" |
| 05:57.08 | catsup | is there an https to get debian packages |
| 05:57.43 | gaintsura | I didn't know what it was called |
| 05:58.27 | gaintsura | will see how it works the next time I reboot |
| 05:58.30 | jmarsden | catsup: I don't think so... but they are signed anyway, for checking authenticity... why would you need to encrypt your file downloads? |
| 05:58.52 | catsup | jmarsden: because they are the signatures |
| 05:58.58 | catsup | jmarsden: they haven't been signed by the keyring i have |
| 05:59.20 | jmarsden | Can't you pick up that signature from a keyserver and then use it to check the package(s)? |
| 05:59.23 | benjamindees | install all the intermediate keyrings? |
| 05:59.35 | catsup | well perhaps jmarsden |
| 05:59.40 | catsup | an https url would of course be easiest |
| 05:59.59 | jmarsden | No, HTTPS would be a horrible waste of server CPU encrypting all the files :) |
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| 06:00.27 | catsup | cpu time is cheap |
| 06:00.30 | catsup | my time is expensive |
| 06:00.43 | flokuehn | catsup: do i get this right, you are getting this error while you want to install/upgrade some packages? |
| 06:00.53 | jmarsden | If you need to use gpg and care about security, spend that expensive time learning how to use gpg :) |
| 06:00.55 | catsup | flokuehn: the package is 'debian-keyring' |
| 06:01.16 | flokuehn | catsup: maybe this is of help to you http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/Debian-Upgrading-to-Lenny-ERROR-no-public-key-available-for-the-following....html |
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| 06:02.37 | catsup | wtf |
| 06:02.56 | catsup | that's barely better than forcing installation |
| 06:03.01 | flokuehn | catsup: are you able to paste the error message? |
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| 06:03.22 | catsup | because how do i know those key prints are correct? |
| 06:04.16 | catsup | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring |
| 06:04.19 | catsup | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? n |
| 06:04.22 | catsup | eCLesiAst: Some packages could not be authenticated |
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| 06:05.41 | catsup | anyone want to paste their output for md5sum debian-archive-keyring_2009.01.31_all.deb debian-keyring_2009.01.18_all.deb ? |
| 06:05.43 | ajavid | yes |
| 06:06.06 | ajavid | you have to accept to install debian-archive-keyring and then aptitude update and all will be well |
| 06:06.14 | catsup | lol |
| 06:06.24 | catsup | ajavid: i just want to make sure nobody has planted a false keyring |
| 06:06.30 | catsup | so i want to verify the keyring package before i install it |
| 06:06.31 | ajavid | you are too paranoid |
| 06:06.34 | catsup | lol |
| 06:06.46 | benjamindees | will post a md5sum |
| 06:06.55 | ajavid | how do you know you're downloading the right keyring package? |
| 06:07.07 | catsup | ajavid: that's exactly the issue |
| 06:07.14 | ajavid | how can you be sure your dns hasn't been botched, sending you to a hackers repository or hacked packages |
| 06:07.16 | benjamindees | I have it on a cd that I downloaded last week |
| 06:07.17 | ajavid | ?? |
| 06:07.19 | ajavid | I mean |
| 06:07.26 | ajavid | if you wanna get paranoid |
| 06:07.27 | ajavid | there is no fucknig limit man |
| 06:07.31 | catsup | ajavid: if the md5sum is correct then it wasn't |
| 06:07.34 | catsup | ajavid: that's the whole point |
| 06:07.41 | ajavid | just chill, relax, install the fucking package, and go have a coffee |
| 06:07.49 | catsup | haha |
| 06:08.01 | ajavid | or whichever beverage you like |
| 06:08.03 | ajavid | :) |
| 06:08.05 | catsup | i can't do that |
| 06:08.16 | catsup | many people's data on this machine |
| 06:08.19 | rygot | hmm, he could be trying to social engineer you |
| 06:08.26 | flokuehn | catsup: have you googled? for this error message? |
| 06:08.32 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 06:08.37 | rygot | he knows all about the possibility of md5 collisions |
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| 06:08.42 | catsup | haha |
| 06:08.45 | catsup | lol |
| 06:08.46 | ajavid | its not just that |
| 06:08.48 | catsup | omg true |
| 06:08.51 | catsup | sha256 |
| 06:08.52 | benjamindees | 3cdeff20c1e3a43070a02b3c36dbef8f *debian-archive-keyring_2009.01.31_all.deb |
| 06:09.07 | catsup | lol |
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| 06:09.20 | catsup | pls use sha256sum |
| 06:09.53 | catsup | just kidding |
| 06:10.03 | catsup | that's the md5 i got |
| 06:10.07 | benjamindees | f541347f0d803962c29bd4e832dcdf25916b7e449d78b92eb5e17a622ca2b6b7 *debian-archive-keyring_2009.01.31_all.deb |
| 06:10.13 | catsup | haha nice |
| 06:10.18 | catsup | that matches too |
| 06:10.31 | rygot | lol |
| 06:10.33 | catsup | in order to do the md5sum collision attack benjamindees would already need to have my .deb |
| 06:10.36 | et | sha512sum! |
| 06:10.44 | ajavid | Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law... |
| 06:10.47 | catsup | but if he had that he'd be in on the hack |
| 06:10.47 | rygot | hey, it was only a joke. Who knew it would lead to this |
| 06:11.11 | ajavid | Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain |
| 06:11.19 | ajavid | useless... utterly useless |
| 06:11.27 | catsup | of course he could be one of THEM, come to #debian knowing that i would go here to ask for help |
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| 06:11.39 | ajavid | omgygod |
| 06:11.40 | ajavid | dude |
| 06:11.44 | ajavid | what are you smoking ffs.? |
| 06:11.46 | rygot | obfuscating, sychophantic, surreptitious and self-involved |
| 06:11.49 | ajavid | good lord |
| 06:11.54 | rygot | oh, I thought we were describing our ex-gfs |
| 06:11.56 | ajavid | thats fucking paranoia like I've never seen |
| 06:11.59 | ajavid | goddamn. |
| 06:12.06 | ajavid | and I used to be a pothead. |
| 06:12.16 | ajavid | I mean... seriously? are you serious dude? |
| 06:12.19 | catsup | ajavid: dude |
| 06:12.20 | ajavid | like ... for real? |
| 06:12.26 | catsup | ajavid: have you heard of apt-p2p ? |
| 06:12.43 | catsup | ajavid: do you know how easy it would be to hack into the machines of people who blindly type 'yes' to that queswtion, using apt-p2p? |
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| 06:12.53 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 06:12.56 | catsup | i could probably have a botnet in 24 hours |
| 06:13.04 | catsup | if i were unscrupulous |
| 06:13.06 | ajavid | do you know easy it would be to do a LOT of things....? |
| 06:13.30 | ajavid | you are focusing on one little detail which is just... whatever man |
| 06:13.30 | catsup | so |
| 06:13.34 | ajavid | have at it. Good day. |
| 06:13.35 | catsup | how do i know i'm not on some government list |
| 06:13.43 | catsup | and they have a whole program of attacks |
| 06:13.46 | catsup | designed for debian |
| 06:13.47 | ajavid | I don't care. have a goodn one. |
| 06:13.53 | catsup | pft |
| 06:14.00 | unitypunk | adds catsup to his government list. |
| 06:14.04 | catsup | nooo |
| 06:14.06 | catsup | =D |
| 06:14.07 | ajavid | unitypunk, here too |
| 06:14.09 | rygot | aptitude install awesome_hacking_tool_to_use_against_benjamidees |
| 06:14.12 | rygot | oops, wrong window |
| 06:14.12 | benjamindees | you're not on a government list, David |
| 06:14.32 | ajavid | you know |
| 06:14.33 | catsup | lemme tell you |
| 06:14.36 | catsup | if i were working for the govt |
| 06:14.38 | ajavid | someone actually called me 'a david' today |
| 06:14.42 | ajavid | with the 'a' |
| 06:14.44 | catsup | i'd have this shit in my bag of tricks |
| 06:14.45 | catsup | for sure |
| 06:14.48 | ajavid | I was like dude... what |
| 06:14.53 | ajavid | I'm ajavid not a david |
| 06:14.55 | ajavid | :) |
| 06:15.00 | ajavid | a javid! not a david! |
| 06:16.03 | rygot | you seem excited |
| 06:16.09 | benjamindees | abortman is my favorite |
| 06:16.31 | ajavid | boratman |
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| 06:16.39 | ajavid | a bot man! |
| 06:16.43 | ajavid | man of the bots! |
| 06:17.19 | benjamindees | that's why he's in here all the time... "helping" people |
| 06:17.40 | ajavid | !debstats |
| 06:17.40 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 06:17.56 | ajavid | yup |
| 06:17.57 | ajavid | he sure is |
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| 06:19.43 | ajavid | ajavid also makes sailors blush, 0.2% of the time. lol |
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| 06:21.29 | catsup | crap |
| 06:22.15 | catsup | i still have no signature on libevent1! wtf? apt-cache policy shows: Candidate: 1.3e-3 990 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 06:22.42 | catsup | oh uh nevermind apt-get update fixed that |
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| 06:24.11 | ajavid | 01:22 Ignoring ALL from catsup |
| 06:24.14 | ajavid | why is he not ignored? |
| 06:24.18 | ajavid | stop talking. |
| 06:24.25 | catsup | why would you ignore me? :( |
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| 06:24.32 | ajavid | ok if you're talking now, I can't see you |
| 06:24.34 | ajavid | beautiful. |
| 06:24.48 | catsup | what an asshole |
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| 06:26.24 | benjamindees | emdebian grip is kind of cool |
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| 06:27.18 | \3TATUK | Hey.. in my Volume Control (GUI/alsamixer) there are two items labeled "Front" and "Surround".. My sound card has two output jacks and "Front" corresponds to one, and "Surround", the other. How can I specify an application (aplay/totem/vlc) to stream to only one of these outputs? (No: I don't want to simply mute the other because I want two sound application instances running, each to their... |
| 06:27.20 | \3TATUK | ...respective stream) |
| 06:27.57 | catsup | \3TATUK: it's extremely unlikely your card supports that |
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| 06:28.11 | catsup | oh wait |
| 06:28.19 | \3TATUK | Obviously it does because I can mute them individually.. |
| 06:28.26 | catsup | well no that doesn't follow |
| 06:28.34 | catsup | but can you play different channels on them? |
| 06:28.55 | \3TATUK | That's what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 06:29.22 | \3TATUK | If I can mute them individually, then logically there should be a way to specify output to only one or the other. |
| 06:29.25 | catsup | i mean different channels like left/right in stereo setup |
| 06:29.34 | catsup | not at all, that's not logically implied |
| 06:29.36 | \3TATUK | No. You didn't follow. |
| 06:29.42 | cahoot | does aplay -l list the different outputs? |
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| 06:30.03 | \3TATUK | That's the trick, I don't think it does. |
| 06:30.20 | catsup | you can take one analog output source, and split its output into two volume controllers |
| 06:30.35 | \3TATUK | Again, you didn't follow. |
| 06:30.39 | catsup | then you have independent volume control on the two signals |
| 06:30.43 | \3TATUK | It's not 'one' analog output source. |
| 06:30.46 | mactimes | Hi. I've been searching for a workaround for a bug that's been annoying me for some time now and someone pointed that a good workaround would be using screen. Could someone provide me quick tips to allow me to connect to my server and, in case I'm disconnected, I can pick up the connection back to the server at the point I left it? |
| 06:30.51 | catsup | how do you know |
| 06:30.55 | \3TATUK | There are two physical output jacks! |
| 06:30.56 | catsup | that's inside your card |
| 06:31.00 | catsup | yeah |
| 06:31.03 | \3TATUK | One in the back of my computer, and one in the front. |
| 06:31.15 | catsup | but there might only be one analog signal generator corresponding to two jacks |
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| 06:31.21 | \3TATUK | Muting "front" mutes the front jack, muting "Surround" mutes the back jack. |
| 06:31.26 | catsup | it is entirely possible to take one signal, and split it across two jacks |
| 06:31.38 | mhymn | mactimes: using screen? |
| 06:31.39 | catsup | and to put independent volume on each of these |
| 06:31.42 | catsup | without an independent signal |
| 06:31.46 | catsup | you understand what i'm saying? |
| 06:31.47 | mactimes | mhymn: Yup. |
| 06:32.06 | catsup | that's one possible way the circuit could be layed out |
| 06:32.17 | catsup | on your sound card's circuit board |
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| 06:32.27 | \3TATUK | catsup: Yes, I follow that but that seems illogical. If you can split the volume control like that, you should be able to split playback.. |
| 06:32.46 | catsup | well, not at all |
| 06:33.07 | mactimes | mhymn: I'm trying to upgrade a server that is in another state, really far from where I am now, but SSH keeps hanging on dist-upgrade. It seems to be a known bug that hopefully has been fixed in Lenny. |
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| 06:33.18 | catsup | it's not 'illogical' |
| 06:33.27 | catsup | it's just not what you want |
| 06:34.00 | \3TATUK | Why would you allow independent volume control without independent streams as well? :| |
| 06:34.00 | d3v1ous | somebody can help me with linux bridge? |
| 06:34.19 | mhymn | mactimes: you can try using screen, that's a workaround somehow |
| 06:35.10 | benjamindees | mactimes: just type 'screen' after you login; do the upgrade; and if it gets disconnected, reconnect and use screen to resume. |
| 06:35.47 | mactimes | mhymn: That's what I'm saying. I wanna try that. But is there any sort of documentation such as a quick start guide I could use in order to set it up and perform those maintenance tasks (the upgrade itself)? |
| 06:36.00 | mactimes | benjamindees: Just type screen again? |
| 06:36.07 | benjamindees | sorry, 'screen -r' to resume |
| 06:36.08 | mactimes | benjamindees: For the resume, I mean. |
| 06:36.14 | benjamindees | 'screen -list' to list sessions |
| 06:36.16 | mactimes | benjamindees: Thank you very much. |
| 06:36.28 | mactimes | benjamindees: I'll try that. Thank you again. |
| 06:36.41 | \3TATUK | man and --help are your friends. |
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| 06:38.41 | benjamindees | haha, grip only requires 24mb of disk space |
| 06:38.46 | mactimes | Err. Sorry for bugging that much, but is there a way I can abort previous updates and just install screen? I'm trying aptitude install screen, but it keeps trying to upgrade previous packages from last ssh session and hangs. |
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| 06:40.54 | stew | mactimes: you can run "aptitude forget-new" but if there are actions which are half-completed it will still try to complete them |
| 06:41.00 | benjamindees | I doubt gnu distributes static binaries... |
| 06:41.01 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:42.02 | mactimes | stew: That worked fine! Thank you!! |
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| 06:42.32 | stew | err, wierd mispaste |
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| 06:45.15 | JyZyXEL | how do you get tty consoles in higher resolution mode? |
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| 06:46.53 | jmarsden | JyZyXEL: See http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
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| 06:47.10 | \3TATUK | Is there a way to see how alsamixer refers to individual items (such as "Front"/"Surround") on a lower level without digging into source? (`aplay -L` lists 'front' and 'surround40', but trying to play to these yields: 'aplay: main:564: audio open error: Device or resource busy') |
| 06:47.46 | ajavid | JyZyXEL, use default modes... append vga=ask as a kernel parameter, so you can select one upon boot. I use 791 (otherwise all is messed up) |
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| 06:48.35 | JyZyXEL | but my native screen resolution is 1024x600 |
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| 06:53.46 | JyZyXEL | so i gotta use the 800x600? |
| 06:53.59 | JyZyXEL | is there anything that would allow me to get the 1024x600? |
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| 07:03.28 | JyZyXEL | why isn't ifup executing the pre-up line i have in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 07:05.00 | benjamindees | what is the line? |
| 07:05.34 | JyZyXEL | pre-up macchanger --mac=... |
| 07:05.47 | rygot | sounds sneaky |
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| 07:06.30 | rygot | if you want to change your MAC address sometimes the best place is "/etc/modprobe.d/options" |
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| 07:07.02 | jmarsden | JyZyXEL: Also try putting a full path to "macchanger" in there |
| 07:07.17 | rygot | a line like "options rt2860sta mac="DE:AD:BE:EF:BA:BE" |
| 07:07.26 | JyZyXEL | ohh ok |
| 07:07.29 | JyZyXEL | :O |
| 07:07.38 | JyZyXEL | rygot: howd you know my card |
| 07:07.45 | rygot | lol |
| 07:07.54 | rygot | now I know you'll *have* to do what I said |
| 07:07.57 | rygot | I had the same card |
| 07:08.03 | rygot | macchanger doesn't work on it |
| 07:08.23 | JyZyXEL | neither did "hwaddress ether" |
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| 07:08.42 | rygot | yeah, just do what I said |
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| 07:08.53 | rygot | then remove and reinsert the module |
| 07:08.57 | rygot | the MAC will be changed |
| 07:09.01 | rygot | don't do anything bad |
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| 07:12.22 | JyZyXEL | ill reboot and see if it works |
| 07:12.29 | rygot | don't reboot |
| 07:12.34 | rygot | rebooting is for windows |
| 07:12.51 | rygot | "modprobe -r rt2860 && modprobe rt2860" |
| 07:12.56 | rygot | that's enough |
| 07:13.08 | rygot | er |
| 07:13.16 | rygot | "modprobe -r rt2860sta && modprobe rt2860sta" |
| 07:13.45 | JyZyXEL | well last time i tried that with alsa it wouldn't load up the new options |
| 07:14.20 | rygot | just do it |
| 07:15.02 | mactimes | rygot: A friend of mine always says: Linux: Be root: Windows Re boot. |(^_^)| |
| 07:15.08 | \3TATUK | What's the best way to suppress speechd from starting at bootup? (I don't see anything about disabling it in /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf) |
| 07:15.14 | rygot | mactimes lol. I like that |
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| 07:16.13 | cahoot | \3TATUK: man update-rc.d? |
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| 07:16.45 | cahoot | \3TATUK: or possibly see if there's an option in /etc/default |
| 07:16.47 | rygot | update_rc.d speechd remove? |
| 07:16.53 | rygot | ah great minds ... |
| 07:16.53 | mactimes | \3TATUK: sysv-rc-conf |
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| 07:17.24 | \3TATUK | err i have no sysv-rc-conf |
| 07:17.25 | rygot | there, you have 3 ways now lol |
| 07:17.28 | \3TATUK | looks non-debian :p |
| 07:17.33 | simonrvn | heh, i like that too |
| 07:17.36 | rygot | what about the update_rc.d command? |
| 07:17.36 | cahoot | rcconf? |
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| 07:17.55 | simonrvn | what mactimes said earlier |
| 07:18.00 | \3TATUK | Yup that should probably be the best way .. no listing in /etc/default |
| 07:18.31 | rygot | JyZyXEL well? |
| 07:18.38 | \3TATUK | and I can't simply remove it because an app depends on it. silly thing is i don't even use the feature of that app that uses speechd, yet it autostart at bootup |
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| 07:18.41 | mactimes | I like update-rc.d to install/ remove scripts from boot. To enable/disable on each runlevel I find sysv-rc-conf easier to use. |
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| 07:18.52 | \3TATUK | hogging my sound device similar to esd/arts as if it's important |
| 07:18.59 | JyZyXEL | rygot: yea it works |
| 07:19.10 | rygot | JyZyXEL please send me $23.30 USD |
| 07:19.14 | \3TATUK | mactimes: I have no sysv-rc-conf on my system |
| 07:19.16 | JyZyXEL | :O |
| 07:19.25 | JyZyXEL | rygot: will paypal be ok? |
| 07:19.30 | mactimes | \3TATUK: aptitude install sysv-rc-conf |
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| 07:19.36 | rygot | don't steal my MAC address DE:AD:BE:EF:BA:BE |
| 07:19.41 | rygot | and I'll let you off the cash |
| 07:19.43 | mactimes | \3TATUK: or apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 07:19.55 | mactimes | \3TATUK: or whatever package manager you like =) |
| 07:19.56 | rygot | and don't steal your neighbour's wireless |
| 07:20.01 | JyZyXEL | well it is pretty awesome address |
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| 07:21.16 | rygot | or, if you do steal your neigbour's wireless, remember to change the hostname dhclient sends for when the cops break the door down |
| 07:21.34 | rygot | and only boot off a live USB stick/optical media |
| 07:21.41 | rygot | hmm TMI |
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| 07:22.44 | linux_manju | rygot: Thats not the only way a cop can identify :P |
| 07:22.51 | rygot | They've started setting up wireless honeypots here. Catching a lot of people but they can't prosecute them |
| 07:22.57 | mactimes | Man, I love that screen thing now! ^^ |
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| 07:23.19 | JyZyXEL | i don't like using the default mac address cause i think it might be tracable |
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| 07:23.48 | JyZyXEL | their gonna know who bought the laptop with that mac address |
| 07:24.04 | rygot | linux_manju yeah. But only using an OS in RAM and changing your MAC address won't hurt. If you don't write anything to disk and get to shutdown when they break the door down you should be ok |
| 07:24.11 | bolt | i don't think anyone's tracing mac addresses, really |
| 07:24.22 | JyZyXEL | in US they probably are |
| 07:24.24 | bolt | they'll only be used if you do something bad within a university or something |
| 07:24.40 | bolt | but then again you might fake an actually valid mac address of someone else |
| 07:24.54 | linux_manju | rygot: If I were a good cop.. I could look at few more things... Like the traffic thats passing through.. I may get an email ID or messenger ID for sure |
| 07:25.02 | mactimes | Easier way is tracing back to your ISP and then to you... ^^ |
| 07:25.21 | bolt | mactimes: still, your computer might be infected with something |
| 07:25.23 | rygot | mactimes except you aren't using your ISP |
| 07:25.31 | JyZyXEL | yea but with laptops you use free wlans |
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| 07:25.50 | mactimes | bolt: Well, nowadays they don't take that as an excuse... |
| 07:25.53 | rygot | linux_manju ah, well I wouldn't use someone else's connection without end-to-end encryption, or at least ssh tunnelling to a known-secure server |
| 07:26.14 | bolt | mactimes: nope, but they can't take it as proof either |
| 07:26.15 | rygot | If you stole wireless and let your traffic go through unencrypted - well, that's hilarious |
| 07:26.22 | linux_manju | rygot: Well.. that atleast would lead me to somewhere.. for eg.. SSH end point IP |
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| 07:26.44 | linux_manju | rygot: Or in case of encryption.. I can catch hold of the endpoint guy and ask for the logs |
| 07:26.45 | rygot | yeah, a DHCP assigned IP. How does that help? |
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| 07:27.20 | linux_manju | rygot: Read your line.. it says.. ssh tunnelling to a known secure server |
| 07:27.27 | rygot | what if the endpoint guy is in another country? Or if, as I gave the provisio, it is a "known-secure" server |
| 07:27.48 | mactimes | bolt: Well, take child abuse for instance. I've heard of cases about people being prosecuted even without physical evidence (copies on hard drive, for example) of the fact. |
| 07:27.51 | rygot | why would anyone log on a server that you are using in this way? |
| 07:28.17 | mactimes | bolt: Just by logs and tracking back to the user. |
| 07:28.20 | rygot | linux_manju and, as mentioned, the "SSH end point IP" is meaningless |
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| 07:28.21 | bolt | mactimes: i'd say they do have a disturbed child then though |
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| 07:28.47 | mactimes | bolt: Are you a father? |
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| 07:28.59 | bolt | mactimes: no, why? |
| 07:29.01 | linux_manju | rygot: Different country .. may.. delay it. |
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| 07:29.21 | mactimes | bolt: Maybe you'd think differently if you were... |
| 07:29.28 | bolt | mactimes: about what? |
| 07:29.31 | mactimes | bolt: Not saying that I am. |
| 07:29.37 | rygot | linux_manju lol. It will stop it dead. |
| 07:29.52 | mactimes | bolt: Cops tracking and tracing back to child abuse crimes. |
| 07:29.57 | linux_manju | rygot: Fingers crossed :) |
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| 07:30.17 | rygot | linux_manju heh, I've been involved with enough investigations to know. |
| 07:30.37 | bolt | mactimes: if i was a father, i'd track down anyone abusing my child myself, thank you |
| 07:30.40 | rygot | on the good guys side |
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| 07:30.49 | linux_manju | rygot: The point here is... Someone who is capable of hiring/using SSH on a different country server.. |
| 07:30.51 | bolt | mactimes: and they wouldn't like it when i found them either |
| 07:30.55 | linux_manju | Why would he steal the internet? |
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| 07:31.01 | mactimes | bolt: Same here. |
| 07:31.08 | rygot | linux_manju a lot of reasons |
| 07:31.15 | rygot | linux_manju none of which I would outline here |
| 07:31.22 | linux_manju | rygot: :P |
| 07:31.25 | mactimes | bolt: "I'd kill them dead!" |
| 07:31.36 | rygot | anyway, it's bad! |
| 07:31.37 | rygot | don't do it |
| 07:31.46 | rygot | pay your $40/month |
| 07:31.52 | rygot | or whatever it is where you live heh |
| 07:31.52 | linux_manju | rygot: I did it once.. |
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| 07:32.26 | linux_manju | rygot: its $21/month |
| 07:32.30 | rygot | linux_manju i have a laptop here than I run an unprotected AP on to see how many ppl try to connect |
| 07:32.33 | rygot | I get quite a few |
| 07:32.41 | rygot | and I log their traffic for fun |
| 07:32.47 | mactimes | rygot: "Would you, please, copy the Internet on this floppy disk for me, please?" |
| 07:32.50 | linux_manju | rygot: :) |
| 07:32.53 | mactimes | ^^ |
| 07:32.55 | rygot | linux_manju what kind of deal do you get for $21? |
| 07:33.10 | linux_manju | rygot: Its shitnet what we call it :P |
| 07:33.13 | rygot | the broadband deals suck in Australia. We have bandwidth (upload/download) caps |
| 07:33.26 | rygot | fastish speeds, but download limits |
| 07:33.26 | linux_manju | rygot: they say 1 Mbps.. but not even close to 256 Kb |
| 07:33.30 | rygot | wow |
| 07:33.33 | mhymn | !ot |
| 07:33.34 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 07:33.50 | rygot | jawohl, herr commandant! |
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| 07:34.06 | linux_manju | mhymn: Sorry.. |
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| 07:34.17 | linux_manju | beer is bad |
| 07:34.23 | bolt | mmkay? |
| 07:35.09 | rygot | hmm, actually I find it hard to take order from a dude named Morteza Fakhraee |
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| 07:35.35 | AliceMargatroid | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/1/ |
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| 07:35.38 | AliceMargatroid | I am laughing |
| 07:35.42 | JyZyXEL | so how do i put a bootable .iso file meant for CD to USB stick? |
| 07:35.46 | JyZyXEL | so it is still bootable |
| 07:36.17 | rygot | linux_manju anyway, that sucks. We get 24Mbps for $40/month |
| 07:36.21 | mhymn | rygot: that's not my order anyway |
| 07:36.23 | bolt | JyZyXEL: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:36.31 | rygot | JyZyXEL unetbootin |
| 07:36.38 | rygot | mhymn yeah sorry. I agree |
| 07:36.43 | rygot | OT is bad for ppl logging |
| 07:36.55 | JyZyXEL | but thats only if the iso image is a linux distribution |
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| 07:37.01 | rygot | nope |
| 07:37.08 | JyZyXEL | it works for everything? |
| 07:37.13 | bolt | rygot: there's always the search function... |
| 07:37.21 | rygot | "everything" is a big order, but most things |
| 07:37.21 | bolt | JyZyXEL: nope. most things though |
| 07:37.34 | bolt | JyZyXEL: as in, most things linux, at least |
| 07:37.50 | JyZyXEL | well this thing has a dos bootloader i think |
| 07:37.56 | rygot | it'll do 'doze live "disks" |
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| 07:38.10 | rygot | have done it with Windows 7 and XP |
| 07:38.20 | JyZyXEL | and it worked? |
| 07:38.26 | \3TATUK | catsup: I've figured out the issue. my card and software all support what i'm trying to do (split rear/front channels), problem was stupid speech-dispatcher was hogging my sound device causing device busy errors |
| 07:38.30 | rygot | yeah |
| 07:38.41 | JyZyXEL | nice |
| 07:39.06 | rygot | AliceMargatroid heh, i laughed too |
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| 07:40.08 | rygot | JyZyXEL uh, you're going to have to do a few things though |
| 07:40.21 | rygot | JyZyXEL you you want to make a windows live disk? |
| 07:40.26 | rygot | JyZyXEL see my PM |
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| 07:41.00 | JyZyXEL | i was thinking of putting a windows installer on a stick |
| 07:41.01 | AliceMargatroid | Why am I tempted to check "This bug is a security vulnerability" on that bug? |
| 07:41.07 | mactimes | AliceMargatroid: Human bug. :P |
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| 07:41.39 | rygot | JyZyXEL yeah, well look at the URL in the PM |
| 07:42.04 | rygot | it's easy |
| 07:42.22 | JyZyXEL | i didn't know unetbootin was this awesome |
| 07:42.52 | rygot | lol you haven't used it yet. It can be un-awesome sometimes |
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| 07:43.45 | rygot | but should be awesome for your purposes |
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| 07:46.13 | dropcode | I'm trying to download libpurple-dev with apt and having some trouble |
| 07:46.27 | dropcode | i'm a linux newbie so that probably has something to do with it |
| 07:47.09 | AliceMargatroid | apt-get install libpurple-dev |
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| 07:47.22 | benjamindees | dropcode, what are you building that requires libpurple and why? |
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| 07:47.37 | dropcode | V0908318OOLFC-1:/home/dropcode# apt-get install libpurple-dev |
| 07:47.37 | dropcode | Reading package lists... Done |
| 07:47.37 | dropcode | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 07:47.37 | dropcode | E: Couldn't find package libpurple-dev |
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| 07:47.48 | dropcode | my bad |
| 07:48.11 | AliceMargatroid | dropcode, pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:48.12 | dropcode | i'm using python purple for a yahoo app |
| 07:48.49 | dropcode | http://www.pastie.org/612034 |
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| 07:49.40 | rygot | lol |
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| 07:50.38 | AliceMargatroid | Add this |
| 07:50.44 | AliceMargatroid | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 07:51.09 | inckie | any of you guys ever installed OpenEMM on Debian Lenny? |
| 07:51.09 | inckie | i see there is only install instructions for 3.1 on their website |
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| 07:52.41 | AliceMargatroid | Then apt-get update |
| 07:52.43 | AliceMargatroid | And try again. |
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| 07:53.28 | AliceMargatroid | Tell me if it dosn't work. |
| 07:54.17 | benjamindees | so where is this "install from Windows" thing mentioned in the Lenny release notes? |
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| 07:54.28 | dropcode | worked :D |
| 07:54.32 | AliceMargatroid | =D |
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| 07:55.02 | bib1 | how can I install deb packages locally without root password? |
| 07:55.20 | mactimes | dropcode: Now try apt-get moo |
| 07:55.30 | catsup | bib1: well you can get the files out of the debs and put them in your home dir somewhere but they won't really work |
| 07:55.35 | mactimes | |(^_^)| |
| 07:55.59 | Bob_Dole | I got debian installed my iMac now. Sadly, no GUI, it's a black screen. I can get to virtual terminals and they show up though. |
| 07:56.00 | d3v1ous | bib1 just complile the source |
| 07:56.18 | catsup | d3v1ous is right |
| 07:56.20 | dropcode | how can I tell whether or not i already have a package? |
| 07:56.21 | Bob_Dole | it's a 350mhz g3 iMac, OS X 10.2 reported it as a version 34.1* |
| 07:56.38 | benjamindees | dropcode, dpkg -l packagename |
| 07:56.40 | jmarsden | dropcode: dpkg -l packagename |
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| 07:56.58 | rygot | people love that type of question |
| 07:57.00 | d3v1ous | AliceMargatroid can i private massage to you? |
| 07:57.11 | rygot | sounds kinky |
| 07:57.11 | AliceMargatroid | About what? |
| 07:57.13 | rygot | private massage |
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| 07:57.30 | benjamindees | lol |
| 07:57.35 | jmarsden | thinks public massage could be construed as even more kinky? |
| 07:57.38 | d3v1ous | Network Bridge in Debian Lenny |
| 07:57.49 | rygot | at least we could see where his hands were going then |
| 07:58.09 | rygot | !ot | rygot |
| 07:58.28 | d3v1ous | AliceMargatroid can you help me with that? |
| 07:58.41 | AliceMargatroid | No. |
| 07:58.46 | d3v1ous | ok, thanks |
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| 07:59.21 | dropcode | and what about if I want to upgrade a particular package to, not the newest available but a newer one than i have |
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| 08:00.26 | jmarsden | dropcode: Please man dpkg. dpkg -i /path/to/the-one-that-you-have.deb |
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| 08:01.10 | benjamindees | apt-get install packagename=1.2.3 |
| 08:01.47 | rygot | and get ready for dependency hell .... |
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| 08:04.14 | g00se | What the positioning of AMD Athlon XP in the x86 numbering system as far as software is concerned? |
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| 08:04.47 | rygot | i686 |
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| 08:05.47 | g00se | rygot: Thanks. You pretty sure about that? |
| 08:06.02 | rygot | yeah |
| 08:06.34 | rygot | it's what i use for my AMD Athlon XP 2800+ |
| 08:07.07 | g00se | rygot: Great thanks. |
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| 08:10.05 | |machtfuernacht| | Hi |
| 08:10.14 | rygot | gutentag |
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| 08:11.26 | rygot | sorry. That means "good day" |
| 08:11.34 | rygot | it's a reciprocal salutation |
| 08:11.36 | |machtfuernacht| | I have some problems setting up an ntpd, the startum stays 16 but all severs are synchronized. |
| 08:11.45 | |machtfuernacht| | rygot Ich weiß |
| 08:12.03 | rygot | don't get all German on me - I was faking it because of your .de domain |
| 08:12.12 | |machtfuernacht| | lol |
| 08:12.50 | rygot | what's a "startum"? |
| 08:13.34 | |machtfuernacht| | http://pastebin.com/d4027129c any idea |
| 08:13.48 | |machtfuernacht| | stratum says something about the accuracy. |
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| 08:15.00 | rygot | I'm sorry, I don't know, I don't use ntpd. But if it's just an accuracy warning I wouldn't be concerned |
| 08:15.34 | |machtfuernacht| | with stratum 16 ntpdate refuses to sync. |
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| 08:16.11 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: http://www.ntp.br/guia.html#xnix |
| 08:16.36 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: That's in Brazilian Portuguese, but just follow the commands and you'll be fine. |
| 08:16.40 | jmarsden | rygot: A stratun in NTP is a level... level 1 servers are the best you can have, level two servers get their info from a level 1 server, and so on... |
| 08:16.57 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: That fixes this accuracy problem you have too. |
| 08:16.58 | rygot | ok, thanks |
| 08:17.03 | rygot | stratum then |
| 08:17.21 | rygot | as in hierarchy |
| 08:17.24 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Try ntpd -q -g |
| 08:17.48 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: That should tell ntpd to ignore if your time differs more than 16 minutes from the time server. |
| 08:17.57 | rygot | is it wrong of me to use ntpdate? |
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| 08:18.47 | jmarsden | |machtfuernacht|: that paste just means you have set up your local hosts (inaccurate) clock as a possible source of time info, at level 16... its clock will never be better than that. But the machine is synced to a level 1 server, so your time on that machine should be fine. |
| 08:19.31 | |machtfuernacht| | jmarsden yes but yesterday I was able to sync against this host and today I'm not. |
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| 08:19.56 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Try that command I sent you and see if it works. |
| 08:20.13 | |machtfuernacht| | I don't have an ntpd on the clients. |
| 08:20.38 | RaymondX | hi i have a question for debian-live downloads |
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| 08:21.22 | RaymondX | is there a debian-live version that lets you install on a hard drive? |
| 08:21.48 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Aren't you trying to synchronize your server with some ntp server on the Internet? |
| 08:21.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | RaymondX: afaik no |
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| 08:22.07 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Or your computer, whatever. |
| 08:22.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | RaymondX: unless you use testing snapshot, which might have the option (i know its being developed) |
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| 08:22.47 | |machtfuernacht| | macrobat I try to sync the Firewall with an accurate external server. And then all clients should use the firewall time. |
| 08:23.10 | RaymondX | :-( a livecd that doesnt let you install...how cute |
| 08:23.19 | |machtfuernacht| | but the firewall ntpd stays in startum 16 which is completely wrong behavior |
| 08:24.29 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: run ntp -q -g in the firewall and try to sync again. |
| 08:24.49 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Stop the ntp service first. |
| 08:25.01 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: then ntp -q -g |
| 08:25.10 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Then start the ntp service again. |
| 08:25.34 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Check for errors after that. |
| 08:25.46 | fireba11 | hi, anyone ever tried to get dolby digital live (on aureon 7.1 pci) to work with debian? |
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| 08:27.08 | |machtfuernacht| | mactimes done. no change. |
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| 08:28.08 | |machtfuernacht| | Perhaps I should install the ntpd on the Xen-Host instead of an VM |
| 08:28.37 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Put this on a pastebin: ntpq -c pe |
| 08:29.35 | |machtfuernacht| | http://pastebin.com/d65562895 |
| 08:29.50 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Paste this too: ntpq -c rl |
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| 08:30.15 | |machtfuernacht| | http://pastebin.com/d36d48494 |
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| 08:31.20 | Mirrakor | is there someone involved in translation work? |
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| 08:32.51 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Can you resolve the IP for the hostnames of those ntp servers? |
| 08:33.09 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: nslookup on each and see if that returns the IP addresses. |
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| 08:33.58 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: As per your pastebins information, your box doesn't seem to be reaching those servers. |
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| 08:35.23 | anddam | hello |
| 08:35.37 | anddam | can I skip ext3 fs check with an option at bootloader? |
| 08:35.40 | |machtfuernacht| | mactimes I thinks it's more a Xen problem |
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| 08:35.54 | |machtfuernacht| | I think I will install the ntpd on the Host. |
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| 08:36.25 | fireba11 | anddam: why would you want to do that? |
| 08:36.46 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: I think it's the best to do. |
| 08:36.48 | anddam | I have my reason, are you really interested or do you just want to argumentate? |
| 08:36.57 | mactimes | anddam: You can. |
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| 08:37.06 | anddam | mactimes: how can I' |
| 08:37.08 | anddam | ? |
| 08:37.12 | mhymn | Mirrakor: perhaps #debian-i18n on irc.debian.net is more suitable |
| 08:37.25 | mactimes | anddam: open /etc/fstab at your preferred text editor |
| 08:37.33 | anddam | I'm at bootloader prompt |
| 08:38.17 | mactimes | anddam: Well, from there I don't know by heard. |
| 08:38.20 | mactimes | heart* |
| 08:38.31 | mactimes | anddam: Log into the system and I can tell you how |
| 08:38.45 | mactimes | anddam: Cancel it this time during logon. |
| 08:39.02 | anddam | iirc there's rescue option on install disc, isn't there? |
| 08:39.03 | mactimes | anddam: I can show you how to prevent future checks, but I don't recommend it. |
| 08:39.24 | anddam | mactimes: it's a one-time thing |
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| 08:39.47 | anddam | disc is broken and fs check hangs the machine but the system boots up without fs checking |
| 08:40.10 | mactimes | anddam: Well, you can log in as single user mode, but I don't remember how to do it on grub, I'm more like addicted to lilo. :P |
| 08:40.21 | anddam | bad luck |
| 08:40.25 | anddam | yaboot here |
| 08:40.43 | anddam | I guess init=/bin/sh could do the trick |
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| 08:40.46 | linux_manju | mactimes: append 1 to the end of kernel line |
| 08:40.55 | rygot | addicted to lilo, huh? |
| 08:41.12 | Bob_Dole | oh right, how do I eject a CD-ROM from command line? |
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| 08:41.20 | linux_manju | Bob_Dole: eject :P |
| 08:41.22 | petemc | eject |
| 08:41.26 | mactimes | rygot: I still like lilo more than grub |
| 08:41.32 | Bob_Dole | Well that's pretty simple xD thanks. |
| 08:41.34 | anddam | mactimes: infact I'm in, editing fstab |
| 08:41.55 | mactimes | anddam: Do you have fstab open already? |
| 08:42.00 | rygot | mactimes ok. As long as you are only snorting lilo and not injecting it |
| 08:42.06 | anddam | there's only one option for root "errors=remount-ro" |
| 08:42.13 | anddam | and dump/pass 0/1 |
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| 08:42.36 | themill | anddam: you can also "touch /fastboot" prior to shutdown (or shutdown -f) to skip fsck |
| 08:42.36 | mactimes | anddam: Change the pass column from 1 to 0 |
| 08:42.44 | mactimes | anddam: Save the file and reboot. |
| 08:42.58 | Mirrakor | mhymn: thx |
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| 08:44.05 | Mirrakor | although it's irc.debian.org :) |
| 08:44.06 | anddam | what's the "errors" option in fstab line? |
| 08:44.22 | |machtfuernacht| | Sometimes Xen is a heartless bitch, isn't it? |
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| 08:45.55 | mactimes | |machtfuernacht|: Heartless, I don't know... Bitch, for sure! (Just kidding ^^) |
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| 08:46.53 | anddam | thanks, I'm in |
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| 08:47.07 | anddam | have to change this disc, I guess if a CF-IDE adaptor will do the trick |
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| 08:47.31 | anddam | is there a specific debian for flash ram storage? |
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| 08:47.51 | |machtfuernacht| | I hope that in 2.6.32 or 33 the Xen Patches will be accepted for the mainline Kernel. |
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| 08:50.42 | robokop_ | my bash tab completion is broken, it doesn't work if there is an escaped space '\ ' in the already typed part of the filename I want to tab-complete |
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| 08:52.22 | JyZyXEL | unetbootin didn't work ;( |
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| 08:59.05 | linux_manju | has anyone here tried gujin ? |
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| 09:02.07 | anddam | I need to share an external disk between debian and osx, what's my best choice? |
| 09:02.20 | anddam | I'll unlikely have file > 2Gb |
| 09:02.24 | |machtfuernacht| | ext2? |
| 09:02.36 | anddam | I tried fuse ext2 for mac |
| 09:02.44 | anddam | it worked two out of three times |
| 09:02.50 | OpenTokix | anddam: fat32? |
| 09:03.11 | OpenTokix | or just get a NAS |
| 09:03.13 | anddam | that's what I was thinking about, even if I kinda hate it |
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| 09:03.34 | |machtfuernacht| | It should be possible to mount a HFS Volume on Linux. |
| 09:03.52 | anddam | I just did but I got a warning about writing support be experimental |
| 09:03.56 | anddam | being* |
| 09:04.15 | |machtfuernacht| | k then it's not possible :P |
| 09:04.26 | |machtfuernacht| | NTFS? |
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| 09:04.45 | anddam | is NTFS supported in osx? |
| 09:04.51 | anddam | fuse? |
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| 09:05.39 | sphenxes | I have installed truecrypt on lenny. I can mount my drive (ntfs) but it is read only? i tried chmod, but doesn't work. any suggestion |
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| 09:06.37 | |machtfuernacht| | http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/ anddam |
| 09:06.59 | anddam | and what's ntfs support in linux? |
| 09:08.02 | |machtfuernacht| | Never had a problem in the last year. |
| 09:08.08 | AliceMargatroid | Totally working as far as I'm concerned. |
| 09:08.11 | Trewas | anddam: if you don't need support for files >4GB then definitely go with fat32 |
| 09:08.13 | AliceMargatroid | I havn't had any problems. |
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| 09:13.24 | Vasistha | sphenxes: chmod effects the permissions for accessing a particular file on the fs. If the entire filesystem is mounted read-only, then chmod is not going to change that. 'mount' without any params will show you a list of what's mounted, along with options such as ro for read-only |
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| 09:13.54 | sphenxes | Vasistha, thanks |
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| 09:15.05 | anddam | thanks |
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| 09:15.07 | anddam | bye |
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| 09:25.16 | dkay | hello, need help to install debian. have downloaded an netinstall.iso and burned to cd, but it cant find an driver for my network card! where to search for |
| 09:25.18 | dkay | ? |
| 09:25.45 | AliceMargatroid | What network card do you have? |
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| 09:26.36 | dkay | its an internal. one second please |
| 09:26.49 | petemc | dkay: have you tried it and it doesnt work? |
| 09:27.12 | dkay | yes |
| 09:27.34 | petemc | does your network use dhcp? |
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| 09:28.06 | dkay | it can not load the ethernetcard |
| 09:28.09 | dkay | network card |
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| 09:29.33 | eject_ck | Hi Guys, I just restarted my pc and I'm getting Grub error out of range pointer 0x2c00 |
| 09:29.39 | dkay | must be an internal "intel" 10/100mbit |
| 09:29.44 | eject_ck | what's happened ? |
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| 09:30.40 | dkay | Intel(R) 82562GT 10/100 Network Connection |
| 09:31.52 | eject_ck | There is my screen http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7168/debm.jpg |
| 09:32.32 | dkay | AliceMargatroid: where to search for! google is full of windows driver but no debian -.- |
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| 09:32.49 | OpenTokix | 2.6.30? |
| 09:33.59 | azm | eject_ck, |
| 09:33.59 | azm | Uncomment the `GRUB_TERMINAL=console' in /etc/default/grub and run |
| 09:33.59 | azm | update-grub. |
| 09:34.07 | mischief | facepalms |
| 09:34.10 | mischief | debian fails at ufs.. |
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| 09:34.57 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 09:35.00 | AliceMargatroid | dkay, what version of Debian? |
| 09:35.07 | paissad-hp | i would like to print 2 fields, the name of the application and its description, here is what i did using ubuntu distribution, but i just get the first word of the 2nd description field |
| 09:35.11 | dkay | its 5.0.2 |
| 09:35.16 | paissad-hp | aptitude search screen | awk '{print $2 $4}' | grep -r '^screen' |
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| 09:35.25 | paissad-hp | how can i obtain the whole description, (there are spaces into the filed for description, i guess that's the matter ) |
| 09:35.32 | paissad-hp | thanks in advance for helping |
| 09:35.43 | AliceMargatroid | Umm, from what I've seen in my google searches |
| 09:36.03 | AliceMargatroid | The kernel needs to be updated. |
| 09:36.13 | AliceMargatroid | If I'm wrong, correct me. |
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| 09:37.48 | AliceMargatroid | ... |
| 09:37.50 | AliceMargatroid | I'm probally wrong. |
| 09:37.51 | AliceMargatroid | Wait. |
| 09:38.39 | eject_ck | azm: how can I boot it ? |
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| 09:39.26 | azm | eject_ck, live cd |
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| 09:40.53 | AliceMargatroid | k. |
| 09:41.11 | AliceMargatroid | dkay, unless my source is wrong, the kernel version needs to be 2.6.24 or higher. |
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| 09:42.08 | dkay | did you mean about the networkcard? i am using windows right now |
| 09:42.21 | dkay | dont have any linux kernels |
| 09:42.31 | dkay | and debian 5.0.2 is the latest release |
| 09:42.31 | eject_ck | azm: booted |
| 09:42.32 | petemc | dkay: i asked you did you network use dhcp? |
| 09:42.42 | dkay | my network has also dhcp |
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| 09:42.46 | petemc | also? |
| 09:42.50 | dkay | but i have fixed my internal ip |
| 09:43.05 | dkay | but debian cant load the driver |
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| 09:43.13 | petemc | dkay: which did you attempt to configure when installing debian? |
| 09:43.20 | dkay | no matter if dhcp or not or? |
| 09:43.31 | petemc | dkay: how are you confirming the driver isnt loaded? |
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| 09:43.36 | dkay | installing network driver xD |
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| 09:44.00 | dkay | selevet language, select keyboard layout, detect hardware |
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| 09:44.14 | dkay | and all the stuff from the boot menu |
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| 09:44.25 | machtfuernacht | dkay can you be a little less confusing? |
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| 09:44.56 | machtfuernacht | How did you actually confirmed that the driver isn't loaded? |
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| 09:53.38 | dokma | Hi guys. VNC is confusing me a bit. I presumed VNC would run a single server instance and when a user connected it would start a session for that user under it's credentials. But now I see that I first must run VNC as the user that wants to connect. Is this correct? |
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| 09:54.25 | dokma | This is a bit awkward when a few hundred users need to be able to connect. |
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| 09:54.37 | fireba11 | dokma: VNC is not desinged for such a usecase |
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| 09:54.48 | machtfuernacht | dokma thought about X2go or something like this? |
| 09:54.57 | machtfuernacht | LTSP |
| 09:55.02 | machtfuernacht | X2go |
| 09:55.02 | dokma | I need Win to Lin access |
| 09:55.11 | dokma | is X2go good for that? |
| 09:55.13 | machtfuernacht | Yes dokma No problem |
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| 09:55.19 | dokma | excellent! |
| 09:55.23 | dokma | thank you |
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| 09:55.34 | machtfuernacht | There is a Client for Windows Mac and Linux |
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| 09:56.04 | machtfuernacht | But I have to admit, I never installed it myself. Just read in magazines and blogs. |
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| 09:57.05 | rygot | it's better to export the X sessions |
| 09:57.13 | rygot | VNC is really a one or two user thing |
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| 09:57.54 | machtfuernacht | And VNC is good for shared sessions. |
| 09:58.02 | rygot | yeah exactly |
| 09:58.24 | oiaohm | Anyone else suffering from mp3 playback that goes garbled. |
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| 10:02.04 | dkay | which netinstall iso is for x86_64? |
| 10:02.13 | dkay | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/ia64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:02.27 | petemc | amd64 |
| 10:02.29 | chellomere | none of those |
| 10:02.32 | fireba11 | dkay: wrong, you want amd64 |
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| 10:02.33 | dkay | this one? |
| 10:02.41 | chellomere | ia64 is itanium |
| 10:02.59 | dkay | oh, i was sure its wrong |
| 10:03.05 | dkay | but i am not using amd64 |
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| 10:03.26 | petemc | dkay: for x86_64 you want amd64 |
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| 10:03.48 | dkay | also when intel is installed?! okay |
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| 10:04.43 | chellomere | dkay, intel adopted amd's 64-bit extensions to x86. it's called amd64 to honor the origin. |
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| 10:05.03 | dff | how do you list users from the command line |
| 10:05.13 | chellomere | dff, all logged-in users? |
| 10:05.15 | dkay | intersting xD |
| 10:05.17 | dkay | okay |
| 10:05.29 | chellomere | dkay, and amd64 is what amd calls it. |
| 10:05.29 | dff | chellomere: nope all users on the system |
| 10:05.42 | dff | the first one is rwho or who |
| 10:05.45 | dff | isnt it :) |
| 10:06.16 | chellomere | dff, you will need to look in /etc/passwd |
| 10:06.42 | dff | so.. cat /etc/passwd ? |
| 10:06.50 | chellomere | for example |
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| 10:07.33 | dff | thanks |
| 10:09.31 | xeon-enouf | dff: a variant is 'getent passwd' (for if say LDAP is being used) |
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| 10:10.14 | dff | xeon-enouf: looks like it prints the ssame thing |
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| 10:15.55 | ethanol | which group should I generally add administrative users to? (non root) |
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| 10:16.30 | ethanol | 'adm' ? |
| 10:17.32 | ethanol | or just 'users' ? or 'sudo' ? |
| 10:17.40 | petemc | what do you want those users to be able to do? |
| 10:17.46 | petemc | adm is for reading logs |
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| 10:18.05 | ethanol | I am not sure. login through ssh, su to root, basically maintain the system |
| 10:18.31 | petemc | you dont need any special groups for that, just use sudo to grant them access to whatever you feel they need |
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| 10:19.13 | ethanol | so I should just stick to user:user ? (1000:1000, 1001:1001, etc) |
| 10:19.24 | ethanol | what is the 'users' group for? |
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| 10:19.32 | xeon-enouf | !groups |
| 10:19.32 | dpkg | i guess groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
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| 10:20.55 | ethanol | I see, thanks |
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| 10:28.33 | ryx | what's the proper way to downgrade to that nice-and-stable kde3.5 these days? |
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| 10:29.43 | xeon-enouf | ryx: run lenny |
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| 10:32.57 | ryx | xeon-enouf: isn't there a way to do it on a lenny-squeeze-mix? |
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| 10:33.25 | ryx | I tried with -t stable which still pulls packages with kde4 in their name |
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| 10:34.17 | ryx | hmm, actually there seems to be a rather large difference between install kde/stable and install -t stable kde... |
| 10:34.48 | ethanol | I can use a _ in a password right? |
| 10:35.29 | robokop_ | my bash tab completion is broken, it doesn't work if there is an escaped space '\ ' in the already typed part of the filename I want to tab-complete |
| 10:35.33 | ryx | ethanol: different password systems are different but I've never seen one that didn't accept _ |
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| 10:38.03 | ethanol | yeah |
| 10:38.07 | ethanol | should have just tried, works :> |
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| 10:42.02 | fas3r | i use dhcpd to push ip conf to user. where i can see what ip is in use ? |
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| 10:42.34 | ajavid | hello good morning |
| 10:42.47 | ajavid | fas3r, ifconfig? |
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| 10:43.35 | fas3r | ajavid: ha sorry not the client conf but what ip is in use on the pool of adress (on the server) |
| 10:45.16 | Night_Elf | Hi all. It's several times I get X to crash with a message: Ring end. Space: 28 wanted 32. Fatal server Error: lockup. After some googling I'm lead to believe it's an X server crash that happens often when having Intel graphics controller. Is there a way out of this ? |
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| 10:47.12 | zxd | is there a way to block firefox from browsing local files file:// |
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| 10:49.23 | ajavid | zxd, there maybe extension of some kind |
| 10:49.36 | ajavid | zxd, maybe something that allows you a block a list of urls, that kinda extension |
| 10:49.44 | ajavid | zxd, you canjust put in file:// |
| 10:50.02 | ajavid | zxd, otherwise you can try to ask in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 10:51.07 | mhymn | or permissions? |
| 10:51.28 | ajavid | mhymn, where? |
| 10:51.51 | ajavid | mhymn, regardless of persmissions, some part of the fs will be open via file:// |
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| 10:52.08 | xeon-enouf | robokop_: there's a bug report about it, IIRC |
| 10:52.11 | xeon-enouf | see BTE |
| 10:52.17 | xeon-enouf | er see BTS |
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| 10:55.49 | ethanol | can I uncomment lines in resolv.conf with # ? |
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| 10:56.29 | bohne | hi, how can i get infos about the currently running kernel? |
| 10:56.38 | AJKhan | uname |
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| 10:56.48 | AJKhan | uname -a |
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| 10:57.05 | bohne | thank you! |
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| 10:58.10 | Dumb0 | why Linus Torvalds Hates C++ ? |
| 10:58.39 | machtfuernacht | He does? |
| 10:59.23 | Dumb0 | he said : C++ is a horrible language. Itâs made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where itâs much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do *nothing* but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C. |
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| 11:00.25 | Dumb0 | it's another episode of "I am linus and I hate everything" |
| 11:00.26 | Dumb0 | lol |
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| 11:01.28 | machtfuernacht | I think he hates the coders that generate crappy code more than C++ itself. |
| 11:04.32 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: '#' is generally used for lines with comments |
| 11:04.37 | Dumb0 | OOP is the base of all pretty well coding.. and C++ is the best demonstration of the potential of OOP |
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| 11:05.42 | machtfuernacht | Dumb0 I think Java is a better demonstration. |
| 11:06.12 | ryx | Yes it is. Above all, it's the demonstration that OOP isn't enough by far to produce good code. |
| 11:06.23 | xeon-enouf | machtfuernacht: i wish more people would hate web devs that generate crappily-coded web sites, so others wouldn't be forced into using bloated browsers just to explore most of the interwebs |
| 11:07.44 | xeon-enouf | OOP == bloat |
| 11:08.36 | Dumb0 | machtfuernacht, Java is stable but does'nt contain all the OOP theories Like C++ did.. take the multiple inheritance for example |
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| 11:10.01 | xeon-enouf | Once one has to start blacklisting chunks of the internet, you become your own <insert-oppressive-nation-name-here> firewall |
| 11:11.20 | ryx | i'd rather say inexperienced coder == bloat. It's possible to write good code in OOP, and it's possible to write OOP in C. |
| 11:12.24 | Dumb0 | xeon-enouf, OOP is a very large domain with hundred of theories you can't say that man.. all the biggest companies like IBM, HP.. work every day in how to extend OOP capabilities |
| 11:12.52 | Dumb0 | ryx, you mean objective-c ? |
| 11:13.30 | ryx | Dumb0: no, I mean plain stupid C. |
| 11:14.12 | Dumb0 | ryx, how can you do that ? give me an example ? |
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| 11:14.51 | mhymn | so then probably they're discussing gentoo in #programming and debian in #gentoo and so on |
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| 11:15.33 | ryx | mhymn: you're right, we're very offtopic, if anyone wants the discussion to stop please say so. |
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| 11:15.56 | Dumb0 | my actually big interesting is how to apply Design patterns in the C language.. so if someone can help me their it will be wonderful |
| 11:16.44 | ryx | Dumb0: it's all about how you organize yourself. structs are a help with that in C, and good documentation. Function pointers are also fun. |
| 11:17.10 | ryx | it doesn't give you the strong guarantees of a "proper" OO system, but that doesn't mean your design isn't object-oriented |
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| 11:18.28 | Dumb0 | ryx, but it's not enough to solve efficiently big software problems :s |
| 11:18.41 | ryx | counter-example? linux kernel. |
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| 11:20.59 | pax- | is it possible to change the default file/directory permissions for new file/directorys created in a directory? |
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| 11:22.42 | pax- | f.i i have /home/qlse/ with 770, root as owner and www-data as group, i log in with a user that's member of www-data and create a file |
| 11:22.44 | Dumb0 | If linux's kernel was written in C++ (as the best OOP language) You will be impressed with the highest speed of developing and the easiest manner of coding and much more.. |
| 11:23.19 | pax- | that file then get permission 700 with owner pax |
| 11:23.28 | pax- | i want it to get permission 770 |
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| 11:23.47 | ryx | and the thousands of high-ranking devs from companies all over working on the kernel are utter idiots for not seeing it? |
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| 11:25.05 | ryx | pax-: umask |
| 11:25.16 | pax- | roger |
| 11:25.17 | Night_Elf | pax-: there must be a seting 'umask' |
| 11:25.19 | ryx | I believe it was umask 0022 |
| 11:25.33 | Night_Elf | oh there was ryx quicker |
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| 11:28.10 | mhymn | umask is not what he want exactly i suppose |
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| 11:28.48 | Dumb0 | ryx, you must try learning the powerful of OOP in programming take "Design patterns" + "Xtreeme programming(XP)" for example.. I am sure you will be impress and fascinated.. Your level as a programmer will change to the highest one |
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| 11:29.13 | Night_Elf | Dumb0: I'd think if the kernel woud be written in C++ it might have it easier to develop but then the kernel itself would be the 'black box' of itself in abstracting layers and try-catching exceptions to itself and so on. |
| 11:29.16 | ryx | pax-: sorry, it's umask 0007 |
| 11:29.20 | ryx | (logically...) |
| 11:29.34 | pax- | yea, im reading about it now, thanks |
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| 11:31.11 | pax- | 0007 = chmod 660 |
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| 11:31.35 | xeon-enouf | pax-: chmod? |
| 11:32.55 | ryx | pax-: on umasks, all set bits are zeroed on new files |
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| 11:33.15 | ryx | so if a file would be 666, a umask of 007 would make it 660 |
| 11:33.24 | ryx | and one of 004 would make it 662 |
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| 11:34.00 | pax- | how do i make it executable by default then? |
| 11:34.11 | xeon-enouf | pax-: debian has a default umask of 022 set in /etc/profile |
| 11:34.27 | ryx | Dumb0: both patterns and extreme programming also work without OOP. Some patterns are quite a bit older than OOP (divide-and-conquer). |
| 11:34.27 | Dumb0 | Night_Elf, it will take time to explain to you the contrary : the real importance of "black box" but if you are really interested I am sure that I can change your idea about that by example |
| 11:34.59 | ryx | and imho extreme programming works better on modern weakly-typed languages like python |
| 11:35.00 | Dumb0 | ryx, (divide-and-conquer) : it looks like chess's rule :P |
| 11:35.54 | ryx | pax-: you can't use a umask to make a file executable that otherwise wouldn't be |
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| 11:36.16 | pax- | ryx, roger |
| 11:36.44 | Dumb0 | ryx, did you ever try to develop an ERP ? or something that can manage an entire corporate with here hundreds of departments ? |
| 11:36.48 | tedechpot | hi, i have an own virtual root server, and i want to mount a webdav server to the filesystem is this in some way possible without having access to the kernel? |
| 11:36.52 | ryx | (but be careful to not forbid the x bit, since dirs need to be x to enter them |
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| 11:37.44 | petemc | tedechpot: probably with fuse |
| 11:38.08 | Dumb0 | it will be like impossible if you try to develop that with structured languages like C.. it will be a suicide even |
| 11:38.41 | xeon-enouf | Dumb0: make me a browser in C |
| 11:38.43 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 11:38.56 | ryx | Dumb0: ERPs are pretty high on the list of things I hate. |
| 11:39.11 | xeon-enouf | !nuke ERPs |
| 11:39.11 | dpkg | fires an 80 yottaton thermonuclear weapon at ERPs |
| 11:39.27 | Dumb0 | xeon-enouf, how much you will pay for me :P |
| 11:39.36 | xeon-enouf | heh, yoda o(^_^)o |
| 11:40.29 | xeon-enouf | oops, forgot the ~ on each side :-) ... Dumb0 nada, think of the fame! |
| 11:42.47 | Dumb0 | xeon-enouf, didn't catch you :S |
| 11:42.55 | markrian | I'm trying to recover a partition using ddrescue, but the partition is larger than 4GB and I'm saving the image to a VFAT partition - the only type I have available. How can I split the image as ddrescue goes? |
| 11:43.46 | abrotman | can you pipe it to gzip ? |
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| 11:45.04 | markrian | abrotman: I guess the question is, can I pipe it at all, since I could use the split command |
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| 11:46.43 | markrian | Actually, just found information telling me ddrescue's output can't (easily) by piped... |
| 11:47.43 | abrotman | markrian: yeah, that basically was my question ... is this an external HDD ? |
| 11:47.44 | ryx | markrian: there are two different ddrescues, the one I prefer is in the package gddrescue |
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| 11:48.21 | ryx | with the parameters -i, -o and -s you can recover the disk in "slices" |
| 11:48.31 | abrotman | markrian: and how big is the partition in question ? |
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| 11:48.54 | markrian | abrotman: It's a laptop internal disk, which is dying rapidly |
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| 11:49.06 | markrian | abrotman: 37gigs, I think |
| 11:49.56 | ryx | markrian: where are you copying it to? |
| 11:50.32 | markrian | ryx: copying to a USB disk, vfat formatted unfortunately, with some data already on it |
| 11:51.03 | markrian | ryx: using GNU ddrescue, yes - slices, you say? |
| 11:51.08 | xeon-enouf | markrian: (g)ddresue allows one to do recovery in bits, so ... |
| 11:51.39 | ryx | well, first recovering the first 3.9G, then the next 3.9G or so |
| 11:51.45 | ryx | into diffferent files |
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| 11:52.20 | xeon-enouf | markrian: you ain't making no disk image with vfat and 37G, so forget that, and getyour data |
| 11:52.27 | ryx | -i is the input pos, -o the output pos, and -s the copied size. All three accept stuff like 3.9G or 3.9Gi |
| 11:52.43 | xeon-enouf | so long as no single File _size_ is over 4G, no prob |
| 11:53.32 | xeon-enouf | or, go grab a real HDD from the dumpster or curb ;-) |
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| 11:53.50 | xeon-enouf | s/curb/curbside/ |
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| 11:54.00 | markrian | ryx: aha, yes, that ought to work... so I need something like # ddrescue -i 0 -o 3.9G infile outfile |
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| 11:54.28 | barraponto | nice people, is it ok to use an ubuntu package on debian lenny? |
| 11:54.30 | markrian | And the next one #ddrescue -i 3.9G -o 7.8G infile outfile ? |
| 11:54.35 | xeon-enouf | markrian: it also has a feature that allows one to log the recovery, so you can resume from where you left off |
| 11:54.35 | ryx | markrian: rather -i 0 -o 0 -s 3.9G for the first |
| 11:54.53 | ryx | and then -i 3.9G -o 0 -s 3.9G for the next |
| 11:54.53 | jelly | barraponto: it's not safe |
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| 11:54.55 | ryx | I think |
| 11:55.00 | markrian | xeon-enouf: Disk is dying, normal file system tools don't work well on it :( |
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| 11:55.34 | ryx | of course you need to reassemble it somewhere at some point to extract data |
| 11:55.43 | xeon-enouf | i thought we're talking about {g}ddrescue |
| 11:55.44 | ryx | it would be much easier to use something non-vfat |
| 11:55.47 | barraponto | jelly: i am trying to compile xulrunner/firefox, but it will take such a long time and effort i thought i'd give it a try |
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| 11:56.02 | xeon-enouf | barraponto: why? |
| 11:56.10 | jelly | barraponto: which firefox version? which debian release? |
| 11:56.12 | ryx | xeon-enouf: we are |
| 11:56.21 | markrian | ryx: apparently the default option for -o is what's in -i, which makes sense... |
| 11:56.22 | xeon-enouf | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090820 Iceweasel/3.5.2 (Debian-3.5.2-1) |
| 11:56.38 | ryx | markrian: yes |
| 11:57.05 | jelly | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9 |
| 11:57.07 | judd | jelly: xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: 1.9.0.7-0lenny2 lenny-security: 1.9.0.13-0lenny1 squeeze: 1.9.0.13-0lenny1 sid: 1.9.0.13-1 |
| 11:57.12 | ryx | markrian: don't forget the log. I _think_ you can use the same log for every piece since it logs the input file |
| 11:57.20 | abrotman | markrian: and you have no way of creating a sane filesystem on this device ? |
| 11:57.22 | barraponto | jelly: latest firefox, lenny stable |
| 11:57.23 | xeon-enouf | IIRC, even exper uses the sid version |
| 11:57.53 | abrotman | barraponto: 1) there's a binary installer at their website 2) you can try to force IW from experimental on 3) what's wrong with the IW in lenny already ? |
| 11:57.53 | PyroPeter | i used grub legacy before and had no problems with the "vga" kernel argument. but after updating to grub 2, the kernel always uses the same vgamode. when I start my system up, either grub or the kernel displays something like "vga is deprecated" for a very short time |
| 11:57.53 | barraponto | xeon-enouf: iceweasel is running 3.06, no later release. |
| 11:58.26 | jelly | barraponto: lenny-security apparently has 3.0.13 |
| 11:58.36 | ryx | if you feel really brave and adventurous you could create a handful of large files on the vfat, lvm them together, and make an ext3-partition on that... |
| 11:58.39 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 11:58.39 | judd | abrotman: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.12-1 squeeze: 3.0.12-1 experimental: 3.5.2-1 |
| 11:58.45 | xeon-enouf | 1.9.0.13-1 |
| 11:59.00 | jelly | barraponto: note the available versions of xulrunner-1.9 package |
| 11:59.00 | barraponto | abrotman: many add-ons require 3.0.13 or 3.5.2 |
| 11:59.27 | markrian | abrotman: I could, but it's not mine, the owner would probably be annoyed if I messed around with it |
| 11:59.33 | abrotman | barraponto: then see #1 or #2 |
| 11:59.38 | markrian | but it would save me a lot of trouble. |
| 11:59.44 | abrotman | markrian: more annoyed than losing all their data? :) |
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| 12:00.45 | barraponto | abrotman: there is something wrong while running the binary. i am doing it right now. for some reason it does not render properly |
| 12:00.52 | xeon-enouf | PyroPeter: i thinkyou installed grub2? might use gfxterm= ? |
| 12:00.52 | barraponto | abrotman: on several pages. |
| 12:01.03 | xeon-enouf | ask in #grub PyroPeter |
| 12:01.40 | barraponto | abrotman: is there a command-line to pick something (with dependencies) from experimental? |
| 12:01.41 | markrian | abrotman: actually, it's my data I'm trying to save, but hmm |
| 12:01.42 | abrotman | barraponto: maybe it's a bug ? |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | barraponto: not easily .. |
| 12:02.06 | jelly | barraponto: you can't use packages from experimental on stable. |
| 12:02.17 | PyroPeter | xeon-enouf: no, i dont mean the grafics of grub itself, but the mode of the kernel framebuffer |
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| 12:02.32 | xeon-enouf | barraponto: i suppose you _could_ try a ssb, but use exper (not recommended) |
| 12:02.32 | barraponto | jelly: should i go sid then? |
| 12:02.38 | abrotman | NO |
| 12:02.44 | barraponto | xeon-enouf: ssb? |
| 12:02.48 | jelly | barraponto: you could however use the normal tarball from mozilla |
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| 12:02.54 | jelly | _if_ it works |
| 12:03.06 | barraponto | jelly: it does not render properly |
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| 12:03.16 | xeon-enouf | PyroPeter: then i have the wrong option - but if grub2, the grub.cfg and other things like /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub now exist |
| 12:03.18 | jelly | *shrug* |
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| 12:03.39 | xeon-enouf | !tell barraponto -about ssb |
| 12:03.48 | abrotman | this will end badly .. |
| 12:04.02 | xeon-enouf | probably |
| 12:04.03 | jelly | barraponto: all I can say is Firefox 3.5.2 (from upstream) works well on testing. |
| 12:04.18 | xeon-enouf | it works well on sid too :-P |
| 12:04.20 | jelly | fuck iceweasel, xulrunner and packaging |
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| 12:04.32 | xeon-enouf | (as well as firepoop can, that is) |
| 12:04.35 | jelly | get the real thing |
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| 12:04.47 | barraponto | jelly: you mean, from source? |
| 12:04.51 | jelly | barraponto: no |
| 12:04.57 | barraponto | oops, currently doing that. |
| 12:05.01 | jelly | their standard installer |
| 12:05.24 | jelly | if it fails to render, tough luck |
| 12:05.31 | tedechpot | petemc: does not work "you need a FUSE-enabled kernel." |
| 12:05.33 | xeon-enouf | iceweasel 3.5.x in debian is fine |
| 12:05.48 | abrotman | barraponto: if the binary installer from mozilla doesn't work, go tell them |
| 12:05.53 | barraponto | jelly: binary? garbles. maybe it is because there's an earlier version of xulrunner installed |
| 12:06.31 | jelly | barraponto: perhaps. Then again I have iceweasel from Debian, and proper Firefox installed at the same time and they don't clash |
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| 12:06.50 | barraponto | abrotman: do you know whether the binary calls its own xulrunner or my system's? |
| 12:07.00 | jelly | barraponto: just have to make sure no leftover firefox-bin processes are present before running the other |
| 12:07.03 | abrotman | barraponto: NFC .. i don't use IW or FF .. go ask them |
| 12:07.10 | xeon-enouf | bravo! |
| 12:07.23 | barraponto | abrotman: running midori? |
| 12:07.31 | xeon-enouf | !konquerorsmite abrotman |
| 12:07.36 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
| 12:07.44 | xeon-enouf | he uses gnome, IIRC |
| 12:07.58 | xeon-enouf | uses links2 -g :-) |
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| 12:08.21 | jelly | is sick of Debian vs. Mozilla foreplay and Linux desktops anyway, and is switching back to Windows 7 |
| 12:08.30 | xeon-enouf | haha |
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| 12:08.58 | xeon-enouf | barraponto: you just have to install FF (upstream) into a /home/dir/ or /usr/local/ or /opt .. |
| 12:09.26 | xeon-enouf | barraponto: to have both Debian IW, and mozillapoop's upstream |
| 12:09.58 | jelly | what is mozillapoop? |
| 12:10.01 | iwkse | hi, on lenny i've setup a static IP but it happens on booting that the device is named always different (i set it as eth1, but sometimes it's eth4 or eth5) Do you know of any bug report on this? |
| 12:10.40 | xeon-enouf | barraponto: do you really want to get involved with LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LD_PRELOAD things?? if so, just upgrade to Squeeze instead :-P |
| 12:11.19 | xeon-enouf | jelly: it's english as a second language :-P |
| 12:11.24 | themill | jelly: it looks like we need an online enouf-to-English translator again |
| 12:11.33 | paissad-hp | is it possible to run a graphic application via ssh, and make that application continue running even the remote ssh connection is closed ? |
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| 12:12.22 | xeon-enouf | hrm .. |
| 12:12.29 | xeon-enouf | interesting paissad-hp |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | paissad-hp: you'd use vnc |
| 12:12.46 | barraponto | abrotman: oh fuck bigzilla. |
| 12:12.47 | paissad-hp | abrotman, xeon-enouf without using vnc |
| 12:12.48 | barraponto | ops |
| 12:12.51 | paissad-hp | if possible |
| 12:12.52 | paissad-hp | :-) |
| 12:12.52 | barraponto | oh fuck bugzill |
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| 12:13.09 | xeon-enouf | ... |
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| 12:13.27 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 12:13.28 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 12:13.51 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: what happens if you launch a screen session ,then ssh -X... ? |
| 12:13.59 | dropcode | Honestly tho I hope someone accomplishes that. |
| 12:14.17 | abrotman | barraponto: i said that years ago :) |
| 12:14.19 | barraponto | abrotman: jelly: xeon-enouf: running experimental requires a manual download of each dependence? |
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| 12:14.31 | paissad-hp | xeon-enouf, wheni launch an app via ssh -X, the application using the X of the client |
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| 12:14.44 | paissad-hp | so if ssh is closed, the graphical app is closed too |
| 12:14.50 | nsadmin | barraponto experimental isn't complete, pretty much in any sense of the word |
| 12:14.55 | xeon-enouf | barraponto: perhaps - what does the ..build-dep.. line do? |
| 12:15.04 | themill | paissad-hp: a graphical app has to display its interface somewhere. |
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| 12:16.04 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: so then what's the point? |
| 12:16.15 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: he really sohuldn't try to build it .. he'll need source packages from all over |
| 12:16.18 | fireba11 | themill: lol |
| 12:16.21 | xeon-enouf | !wayttd paissad-hp |
| 12:16.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, paissad-hp? |
| 12:16.29 | nsadmin | the best you could possibly hope for is to build sources from experimental for -specific- packages you want to run... but note, the packaging is not complete in some experimental packages |
| 12:16.39 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: ok |
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| 12:17.08 | jelly | barraponto: rather, a) it (experimental) depends on packages from unstable b) enabling it doesn't make package versions from it automatically available via aptitude upgrade |
| 12:17.19 | jelly | !tell barraponto about experimental |
| 12:17.20 | barraponto | xeon-enouf: just noticed the dpkg message |
| 12:17.28 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 12:17.29 | greycat | Is there such a thing as a "lenny net install image with a 2.6.28 or later kernel", or a "lenny net install image with an e1000e NIC driver bolted on"? |
| 12:17.40 | jelly | !kmuto |
| 12:17.40 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 12:17.49 | jelly | greycat: ^^ |
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| 12:18.16 | paissad-hp | xeon-enouf, if i've used vnc, i could run an application onto my server station and let it continue running, even the my client disconnect |
| 12:18.29 | greycat | thanks |
| 12:18.41 | paissad-hp | paissad-hp, but if my server station does not have a vnc server and just a ssh one, how can i do ? |
| 12:18.46 | nsadmin | barraponto additionally, you will be consulting the bug tracking system -often- if you go there, and it's even possible that bugs in experimental packages aren't reported to it |
| 12:18.52 | xeon-enouf | greycat: just in case ; /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 12:18.54 | jelly | Kenshi Muto's d-i builds are great good. |
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| 12:19.00 | Titan8990_ | paissad-hp, thats what nohup is for |
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| 12:20.09 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i did it , that does not work, if ssh connection is closed, apps are closed (those with display or not) |
| 12:20.17 | themill | waits for Titan8990_ to try that suggestion himself |
| 12:20.31 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: he's ssh -X ing |
| 12:20.47 | barraponto | had a nice chat with dpkg bot right now, kudos for its author |
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| 12:21.05 | xeon-enouf | !dondelelcaro++ |
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| 12:21.42 | Titan8990_ | themill, xeon-enouf i showed up late |
| 12:21.43 | paissad-hp | xeon-enouf, what about tunneling vnc connection to ssh ? |
| 12:21.47 | paissad-hp | bad idea ? |
| 12:21.49 | Titan8990_ | didn't know what we were doing |
| 12:21.51 | paissad-hp | possible ? |
| 12:21.57 | xeon-enouf | barraponto: most anyone can contrib to it's factoid DB thgough |
| 12:22.16 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: right .. so i enlightened ;-) |
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| 12:22.47 | josepha | Hello, network-admin fails to set my connection details, which tool can I use to setup my connection. I tried change the settings manually but it did not seem to work. |
| 12:22.54 | josepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.00 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: i don't know offhand |
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| 12:23.38 | nsadmin | josepha what media do you use to connect? |
| 12:23.42 | xeon-enouf | josepha: network-{manager, admin?} don't honor /etc/network/interfaces, IINM |
| 12:23.44 | Titan8990_ | !tell josepha about interfaces |
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| 12:24.14 | josepha | network-manager |
| 12:24.40 | nsadmin | nono, do you put a wire in your computer? if so what kind? |
| 12:24.50 | josepha | yes |
| 12:24.58 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 12:25.09 | Titan8990_ | update-rc.d network-manager remove -f; nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:25.34 | josepha | ok, i'll try |
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| 12:25.53 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: s/nano/sensible-editor/ |
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| 12:26.11 | xeon-enouf | should use the /etc/alternatives editor .. IINM |
| 12:26.27 | nsadmin | have you ever worked with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:27.09 | josepha | no i dont think so |
| 12:27.14 | xeon-enouf | yeah, is /interfaces what you mean when you said; "i tried change the settings manually but" ? |
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| 12:27.31 | xeon-enouf | josepha: then see the bot ;-) |
| 12:27.43 | josepha | usually my bf is does all this, but he thinks i should do it by myself and sent me here |
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| 12:27.54 | nsadmin | josepha: so, what kind of wire do you use? |
| 12:28.00 | xeon-enouf | josepha: learning is good ;-) |
| 12:28.01 | Titan8990_ | xeon-enouf, i think nano is part of the core install |
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| 12:28.15 | g00se | Any recommendations for a graphical login manager? I personally don't use one but i'm going to be setting someone up with Lenny + xfce |
| 12:28.27 | josepha | :) i do my best:) |
| 12:28.33 | Titan8990_ | g00se, xdm for xfce |
| 12:28.36 | dokma | someone here mentioned x2go |
| 12:28.39 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990_: si |
| 12:28.40 | xeon-enouf | important nano install ok installed |
| 12:28.45 | dokma | I've been fiddling with it for the past few hours |
| 12:28.53 | dokma | and I can't get the GUI to come up |
| 12:28.58 | josepha | i use an ethernet-wire |
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| 12:29.10 | dokma | It just hogs my CPU and HDD |
| 12:29.22 | nsadmin | ok, so you therefore have an ethernet interface... let's see what it is |
| 12:29.59 | UT2K3 | hi guys, i'm running a radeon 7000 with the radeon driver with 2 displayer (1x VGA and 1x DVI). The Monitor on the dvi sometimes turn to black and then again its ok. Someone here knows for this a solution? |
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| 12:30.07 | josepha | how du i find out? |
| 12:30.07 | UT2K3 | *displays |
| 12:30.16 | nsadmin | josepha lspci is one of many commands meant to discover what hardware you have, could you look at the output of lspci -nn |
| 12:30.29 | josepha | i usually use the network-manager to switch the locations |
| 12:30.47 | nsadmin | and that usually works? |
| 12:31.02 | xeon-enouf | dokma: it was machtfuernacht .. now, your original question was; "09:46 < dokma> Hi guys. VNC is confusing me a bit. I presumed VNC would run a single server instance and when a user connected it would start a session for that user under it's credentials. But now I see that I first must run VNC as the user that wants to connect. Is this correct?" |
| 12:31.20 | dokma | xeon-enouf: that is correct |
| 12:31.29 | dokma | I got a hint about x2go and tried it |
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| 12:31.38 | dokma | but can't get the gui to come up |
| 12:31.45 | josepha | well yes usually, but since i updated i cant get an connection over a gateway |
| 12:31.46 | dokma | vnc works pretty good though |
| 12:31.56 | xeon-enouf | dokma: and some mentioned how VNC is best for 1-maybe a few instances, not tens or hundreds |
| 12:32.09 | nsadmin | can you ping the gateway? |
| 12:32.12 | dokma | exactly |
| 12:32.21 | josepha | the output ist very big |
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| 12:32.30 | josepha | yes i can ping the gateway |
| 12:32.41 | nsadmin | yes. one of the lines will be about your ethernet interface |
| 12:32.44 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 12:32.50 | xeon-enouf | dokma: i don;t know any solution offhand, nor have i tried X2g (never heard of it till now) |
| 12:32.55 | josepha | the message says: network ist unreachable |
| 12:33.09 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 12:33.15 | xeon-enouf | X2go* |
| 12:33.15 | Titan8990_ | josepha, if you can ping your gateway but not access the other side of it, your default route is probably wrong |
| 12:33.25 | Titan8990_ | josepha, pastebin netstat -rn |
| 12:33.32 | dokma | xeon-enouf: thank you! |
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| 12:33.49 | xeon-enouf | how about route and arp too and ls /sys/class/net josepha |
| 12:34.06 | josepha | thats what the output tells me about the ethernet-thing: 08:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX [14e4:170c] (rev 02) |
| 12:34.09 | xeon-enouf | dokma: i try ;-0 - maybe ask in ##networking ..or ##linux |
| 12:34.28 | dokma | xeon-enouf: will try those as well |
| 12:34.44 | nsadmin | judd pciid 14e4:170c |
| 12:34.45 | judd | nsadmin: [14e4:170c] is 'BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:170c |
| 12:34.45 | josepha | wanna see the output of netstart -rn? |
| 12:34.55 | Titan8990_ | yes |
| 12:35.20 | josepha | Kernel-IP-Routentabelle |
| 12:35.20 | josepha | Ziel Router Genmask Flags MSS Fenster irtt Iface |
| 12:35.20 | josepha | 217.0.117.10 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 12:35.20 | josepha | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 12:35.20 | josepha | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 12:35.20 | nsadmin | you should use a pastebin tho, not paste it on channel directly |
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| 12:35.21 | xeon-enouf | dokma: have you looked at xnest? (though i really doubt that's even applicable) |
| 12:35.35 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: ooops :-P |
| 12:35.36 | dokma | xeon-enouf: never heard of it |
| 12:35.41 | dokma | will check it out |
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| 12:36.00 | xeon-enouf | dokma: we live, we learn .. and then? ... heh |
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| 12:36.15 | nsadmin | you should use a pastebin tho, not paste it on channel directly |
| 12:36.22 | josepha | im sorry, i was kicked, dont know why... |
| 12:36.31 | themill | dpkg: tell josepha about paste |
| 12:36.32 | dokma | xeon-enouf: go to heaven or hell in my belief system |
| 12:37.19 | g00se | Titan8990_: Cheers - shall try it |
| 12:37.22 | nsadmin | dokma: that sounds limited... you can't go anywhere other than those two? |
| 12:37.48 | dokma | nsadmin: what do you suggest? |
| 12:37.56 | dokma | nsadmin: I have free hands |
| 12:38.09 | dokma | I need to setup a central server for a small office |
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| 12:38.18 | abrotman | josepha: you were kicked for flooding the channel |
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| 12:38.21 | dokma | one Debian server and a bunch of Win clients |
| 12:38.32 | josepha | oh ok, im sorry |
| 12:38.44 | xeon-enouf | dokma: it's not being alive or dead is hard to do, it's the *transition* that's the hard part :-P |
| 12:38.58 | nsadmin | josepha: aptitude install pastebinit |
| 12:39.07 | xeon-enouf | dokma: this is all OT though .. so let's stop |
| 12:39.08 | nsadmin | oh wait never mind |
| 12:39.18 | dokma | xeon-enouf: ahhh... didn't figure you were OT |
| 12:39.18 | nsadmin | you can't do that yet :) |
| 12:39.37 | mischief | what's it mean when the console starts printing addresses and function names? |
| 12:39.56 | nsadmin | mischief: that you asked it to? |
| 12:40.07 | mischief | ..no.. |
| 12:40.08 | josepha | done |
| 12:40.09 | greycat | usually it means your kernel's not happy |
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| 12:40.33 | mischief | greycat, well what can i do, buy it some chocolate? --' |
| 12:40.35 | xeon-enouf | mischief: your printk settings were altered? |
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| 12:40.47 | nsadmin | josepha: you succeeded in installing that package? |
| 12:40.54 | fireba11 | mischief: find out what is wrong? :-) |
| 12:40.54 | josepha | yes |
| 12:41.12 | nsadmin | hmm, so your network is functioning better than we thought |
| 12:41.18 | josepha | :) |
| 12:41.49 | nsadmin | does pastebinit need parameters these days? |
| 12:41.50 | xeon-enouf | mischief: areyou booted into debian? i noticed you in #grub mentioning dual booting with openBSD |
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| 12:42.42 | nsadmin | josepha: so you installed this package on the machine where you're having problems with network-manager? |
| 12:42.45 | mischief | xeon-enouf, attempting to boot OpenBSD right now from grub2, i was rebooting my machine. kernel took a crap and i had to power-cycle |
| 12:43.07 | josepha | yes. |
| 12:43.18 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: heh Q)"halp, my net is down" A) install xyz Q) done! A) good, all fixed! :-) |
| 12:43.20 | greycat | mischief: first thing to do is try to identify what's broken, or what's causing the behavior. E.g. "it breaks when I try to access the CD-ROM drive" or something. |
| 12:44.08 | nsadmin | josepha: ok, let's start over... what is the problem you're having (it's not your network at least not right now) |
| 12:44.12 | xeon-enouf | mischief: /msg dpkg forcefsck (is all i can think of for that scenario) |
| 12:45.01 | mischief | xeon-enouf, i think it might have been my wifi driver actually, i noticed a lot of calls to names related to it |
| 12:45.07 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: awe.. "making up" is nice .. in'it? ;-P |
| 12:45.32 | xeon-enouf | mischief: check logs? fix you wifi? |
| 12:45.32 | josepha | alright |
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| 12:46.01 | josepha | in the evening i normally use the internet over a gateway |
| 12:46.16 | josepha | but at the moment i cant switch the location |
| 12:46.23 | dlynes | Is there a reason debian lenny ships with a release candidate version of openvpn? |
| 12:46.46 | josepha | i use the network-manager to do that |
| 12:46.54 | nsadmin | dlynes: no, lenny is released... no packages are release candidates |
| 12:47.10 | dlynes | nsadmin: openvpn is |
| 12:47.23 | nsadmin | josepha: and you want to continue using nm? |
| 12:47.29 | dlynes | nsadmin: lenny ships with OpenVPN 2.1rc11 |
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| 12:47.54 | josepha | yes id like to, im used to:) |
| 12:47.56 | nsadmin | dlynes: oh oops, I misread your question |
| 12:48.21 | dlynes | nsadmin: all this time, I thought it was only redhat that did stuff like that |
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| 12:48.35 | dexterf00 | hi |
| 12:49.02 | dlynes | nsadmin: anyways...suffice it to say, openvpn 2.1rc11 has bugs in it, that effectively make it quite broken |
| 12:49.12 | dexterf00 | i have got a problem, when i try compile a hamachi i get error that it can't run strip porgram, what should i do? |
| 12:49.17 | themill | dlynes: openvpn has been in "rc" for an awfully long time. 12 months on and it's now at rc19... |
| 12:49.28 | dlynes | themill: Yeah, I know |
| 12:49.46 | dlynes | themill: but 2.0.9 works like a charm |
| 12:49.56 | nsadmin | josepha: ok, now at least I understand the problem... |
| 12:49.58 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: rc-critical bugs are the ones that are addressed and focused on prior to release of Stable IINM |
| 12:50.12 | dlynes | xeon-enouf: iinm? |
| 12:50.26 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: it doesn't mean that count has to reach 0 prior to release .. IIRC |
| 12:50.42 | nsadmin | but josepha, you're always using a gateway... so you mean you want to change the gateway you're using |
| 12:50.44 | dexterf00 | i have got a problem, when i try compile a hamachi i get error that it can't run strip porgram, what should i do? |
| 12:50.48 | xeon-enouf | If i'm not mistaken ; If I recall correctly |
| 12:50.54 | dlynes | xeon-enouf: yeah...but the bug in particular I'm referring to would be a show stopper for most people |
| 12:51.02 | dlynes | xeon-enouf: ah |
| 12:51.07 | josepha | ok, im sorry if i didnt make myself clear. im not used to this way of solving problems:) |
| 12:51.12 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: then perhaps it needs to be fixed ;-) |
| 12:51.22 | josepha | its the first time chatting in english. |
| 12:51.34 | dlynes | xeon-enouf: it was fixed in 2.1rc14, but lenny has 2.1rc11 |
| 12:51.38 | nsadmin | josepha: oh, I take it you're German? |
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| 12:51.47 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: Lenny (Stable and oldstable) gets (critical?) bug fixes and security updates |
| 12:51.54 | xeon-enouf | well |
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| 12:52.08 | dexterf00 | i have got a problem, when i try compile a hamachi i get error that it can't run strip porgram, what should i do? |
| 12:52.10 | josepha | yes |
| 12:52.20 | dlynes | mmmmm |
| 12:52.21 | dlynes | tun |
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| 12:52.23 | dlynes | tuna |
| 12:52.25 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: have you checjked BTS? |
| 12:52.27 | greycat | If the kmuto 2.6.30 image boots the kernel, then clears the screen, then locks up with "(process:1506): INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)" 80% of the way down the otherwise blank screen, what should I try next? |
| 12:52.30 | marcos | hello |
| 12:52.32 | dlynes | xeon-enouf: bts? |
| 12:52.39 | marcos | im form argentina |
| 12:52.46 | xeon-enouf | dlynes: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:52.56 | marcos | i am looking for ip accounting program |
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| 12:53.16 | xeon-enouf | marcos: hola - english here pklease, or /msg dpkg es (or pt) |
| 12:53.17 | marcos | do you know programs for ip accounting |
| 12:53.29 | abrotman | marcos: to measure bandwidth by IP ? |
| 12:54.04 | greycat | I guess I'll randomly type kernel boot parameters or something. |
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| 12:54.06 | marcos | ranking traffic |
| 12:54.09 | dexterf00 | i have got a problem, when i try compile a hamachi i get error that it can't run strip porgram, what should i do? |
| 12:54.28 | nsadmin | josepha: so the basics are... you updated something, and after the update nm stopped giving the ability to switch |
| 12:54.28 | marcos | by ip, ptolocol |
| 12:54.30 | abrotman | marcos: something like ntop ? |
| 12:54.32 | greycat | By the way, it's not a 100% lock-up. Ctrl-Alt-Del still works, but nothing else seems to do a thing. |
| 12:54.52 | xeon-enouf | greycat: insure usbhid and evdev is loaded/loading? |
| 12:55.09 | josepha | yes |
| 12:55.20 | dlynes | xeon-enouf: thanks...it seems it's got a lot more bugs, too...I guess I was right to decide to do a source compile on 2.0.9 instead |
| 12:55.22 | greycat | xeon-enouf: what kernel boot parameter do I type for that? I don't get any control over anything yet. |
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| 12:55.40 | xeon-enouf | hrm .. it's in kernel-parameters.txt, IINM greycat |
| 12:55.49 | nsadmin | josepha: so when you switch, is it because you bring your computer to a different place? |
| 12:56.10 | xeon-enouf | greycat: even if needed to be passed as a module.option=X parameter |
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| 12:56.27 | ethanol | what's the default firewall on debian lenny? |
| 12:56.29 | greycat | ah, "expert acpi=off fb=false" got me to the menu! |
| 12:56.41 | josepha | no, its because i use connection with my bf and use his PC as a gateway in the evening |
| 12:56.52 | xeon-enouf | greycat: are you using USB mouse and keys? otherwise, it's likely not the issue, i guess |
| 12:57.36 | greycat | oddly enough, they are PS/2 mouse/keyboard |
| 12:57.37 | xeon-enouf | greycat: is that a multi-core machine? acpi=off will likely only use one core/CPU |
| 12:57.40 | ethanol | shellter is not available for lenny? |
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| 12:57.41 | nsadmin | what OS is he running? |
| 12:57.41 | josepha | during the day i connect directly |
| 12:57.54 | xeon-enouf | greycat: ok (ps2) |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | marcos: no need to msg me |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | marcos: you can talk in here |
| 12:58.11 | greycat | At this point I'm just trying to find an installer that can actually see the NIC and the hard drive. |
| 12:58.18 | greycat | I'll worry about luxuries like SMP later. |
| 12:58.39 | abrotman | they should all be SMP now |
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| 12:59.03 | nsadmin | josepha so the purpose of switching is so you can both connect? |
| 12:59.05 | xeon-enouf | greycat: i say that only if you _need_ to use that every time to boot (in the future) .. yes you can fix that (worry about SMP) l;ater indeed |
| 12:59.20 | josepha | thats right |
| 12:59.26 | xeon-enouf | greycat: it likely also involves APIC (lapic/ioapic) |
| 12:59.31 | UT2K3 | someone here running successfully a radeon7000 with 2 monitors? |
| 12:59.40 | xeon-enouf | i see |
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| 12:59.57 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: all .. execptthe -486 |
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| 13:00.07 | abrotman | and? |
| 13:00.12 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: which is what the installer uses as default IIRC |
| 13:00.16 | paissad-hp | how can i forward the X using the ssh session ? |
| 13:00.29 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: but that's not the kernel that gets installed |
| 13:00.37 | nsadmin | josepha: is he running a unix-alike? |
| 13:00.39 | abrotman | paissad-hp: we've been over this already ... |
| 13:00.45 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: unless... it detects a SMP system and loads a -686 (naturally, i'm talking x86 here) |
| 13:01.14 | nsadmin | josepha: and you don't want to change the fact you have to switch... is that right? |
| 13:01.22 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: and boot params, like acpi=off might make it think it's a 1 CPU (-486) system |
| 13:01.28 | josepha | yes |
| 13:01.32 | paissad-hp | abrotman, o_0 ... |
| 13:01.36 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: that's apic |
| 13:01.47 | greycat | OK, this kmuto 0627 seems to find both the NIC and the hard disk. Yay. Now I just need to find something to shrink the existing Windows file system & partition. |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | 00)@)@!!__ |
| 13:01.49 | nsadmin | josepha: sorry; yes to which? |
| 13:02.01 | josepha | he uses Debian GNU/Linux |
| 13:02.14 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: ACPI and APIC are inexorably intertwined ;-) |
| 13:02.24 | nsadmin | oh ok... and does he bring his computer? or is it always there? |
| 13:02.25 | josepha | i dont want to change the fact that i have to switch |
| 13:02.25 | abrotman | not really, but okay |
| 13:02.33 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: to a varying degree that is |
| 13:02.49 | nsadmin | josepha: ok, got it... |
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| 13:03.04 | josepha | i just want it to be like it used to |
| 13:03.06 | abrotman | yes, like ACPI and PCI are intertwined to a varying degree .. and the CPU and the monitor .. and the keyboard and the modem .. |
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| 13:03.36 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: no, .. like ACPI can't work if in a SMP system, if APIC isn't enabled |
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| 13:03.46 | greycat | The lenny installer can't shrink an NTFS partition, can it? |
| 13:03.54 | paissad-hp | abrotman, sorry, but maybe i did not read well, can you tell me agin please |
| 13:04.04 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: unless .. perhaps one also uses some CPU-hotplug funk parms |
| 13:04.07 | greycat | paissad-hp: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 13:04.12 | uwjweq | greycat: It can format it to ext3 that is just as good. |
| 13:04.30 | nsadmin | josepha: so I'm much more familiar with /etc/network/interfaces (which is a configuration text file independent of nm) than I am with nm... |
| 13:04.44 | xeon-enouf | greycat: likely not - ask in #debian-boot on oftc - to get definitive reply |
| 13:04.45 | nsadmin | would you be open to trying that? |
| 13:04.59 | josepha | i never used it |
| 13:05.08 | paissad-hp | greycat, that's not what i want |
| 13:05.16 | greycat | paissad-hp: then what do you want? |
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| 13:05.23 | paissad-hp | greycat, i know ssh -X *** |
| 13:05.23 | nsadmin | ok |
| 13:06.08 | paissad-hp | greycat, i want to run an app via ssh onto my server station, and let that app continue running onto the server even if i close the ssh connectino |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | paissad-hp: VNC |
| 13:06.30 | abrotman | again ... |
| 13:06.31 | nsadmin | the only thing is, it seems that when you connect directly, you connect by pppoe... does that sound familiar at all? |
| 13:06.32 | paissad-hp | abrotman, without vnc is possible, |
| 13:06.37 | paissad-hp | again ... |
| 13:06.39 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: your X app running is dependent upon your ssh tunneled connectiuon |
| 13:06.41 | josepha | ok, my bf tells me we already used it but it didnt work, but maybe it was my fault |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | paissad-hp: if you can't communicate in english, go to the french channel |
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| 13:07.01 | nsadmin | oh, so how are you connected now? |
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| 13:07.03 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: unless .. perhaps you mean the inverse |
| 13:07.07 | josepha | is it easier to use? |
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| 13:07.11 | nsadmin | directly? thru his gw? |
| 13:07.16 | greycat | it sounds like he wants VNC, but I know very little about it |
| 13:07.24 | nsadmin | it's textbased |
| 13:07.30 | nsadmin | not graphical |
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| 13:07.54 | xeon-enouf | greycat: abrotman he want's to do what VNC does, but when VNC is not available on the Server side |
| 13:08.02 | josepha | yes i saw that, it open in another tab |
| 13:08.14 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: <-- ... that is |
| 13:08.17 | paissad-hp | abrotman, i used to use vnc , but i don't want to use this time |
| 13:08.25 | josepha | maybe i have to use that |
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| 13:08.33 | nsadmin | ok... so how are you connected right now? |
| 13:08.42 | greycat | I am not aware of any other "reattach to a disconnected X session" solution besides VNC. |
| 13:08.52 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i'm aware of what he wants to do .. and we already covered this .. but he's not comprehending |
| 13:08.56 | josepha | direct, without gateway |
| 13:09.01 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: ok |
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| 13:09.10 | nsadmin | and he's not connected? |
| 13:09.14 | josepha | yes |
| 13:09.15 | abrotman | or he's not paying attention |
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| 13:09.26 | nsadmin | also, what if your machine were the gateway? |
| 13:09.31 | josepha | he isnt here, his pc is off |
| 13:09.38 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: what does echo $DISPLAY say wehen connected? localhost:10.0 ? |
| 13:09.44 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 13:09.52 | josepha | id like that, but i think he doesnt want it |
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| 13:09.54 | paissad-hp | abrotman, you adviced me to use a vnc or nx server, ..... i said that i wanted to do it via ssh and screen (if needed) |
| 13:09.58 | paissad-hp | just thoses apps |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | i never said anything about nx |
| 13:10.06 | aladds | trying to install on powerpc (iBook) and tasksel is making the install hang as apparently the sources it is using are untested, how can i send a message to "in-target" or whatever it is to say "Yes" and get it to finish the install? |
| 13:10.14 | xeon-enouf | paissad-hp: IOW, where's the X Server, and where's the clients? |
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| 13:10.31 | ethanol | how do I reload or save new iptables rules on lenny? |
| 13:10.41 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: iptables-save |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | ethanol: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 13:10.47 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: iptables-reload ? |
| 13:10.56 | nsadmin | josepha: let's see at least if you have the hardware... do you have a second net card in your machine? (not strictly necessary btw) |
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| 13:11.11 | ethanol | ah thanks |
| 13:11.12 | paissad-hp | xeon-enouf, localhost:10.0 is the result of the echo $DISPLAY, you're right |
| 13:11.14 | aladds | it's a reported bug |
| 13:11.15 | aladds | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501723 |
| 13:11.18 | josepha | no |
| 13:11.22 | aladds | but is there a workaround? |
| 13:11.28 | nsadmin | but you have a hub? |
| 13:11.38 | nsadmin | or switch |
| 13:11.59 | xeon-enouf | aladds: try tasl --task-packages <taskname> after you alt-F2 and start a shell -- look at alt-F4 output |
| 13:12.12 | xeon-enouf | aladds: try tasksel --task-packages <taskname> after you alt-F2 and start a shell -- look at alt-F4 output |
| 13:12.18 | aladds | xeon-enouf: i'm looking at alt-F4 output |
| 13:12.23 | xeon-enouf | fucken keyboard shits |
| 13:12.26 | abrotman | uhm |
| 13:12.32 | abrotman | !tell aladds about 5% error |
| 13:12.39 | josepha | ok, i habe a switch |
| 13:12.50 | aladds | abrotman: it's stopped at 13% |
| 13:13.00 | ethanol | xeon-enouf: last question, how do I modify the current set without erasing it and starting over from scratch? |
| 13:13.03 | xeon-enouf | aladds: i was going to suggest you feed apt-get install the list, rather than using tasksel |
| 13:13.05 | abrotman | aladds: you're describing the same symptom |
| 13:13.14 | xeon-enouf | aladds: and procfess of elimination |
| 13:13.23 | nsadmin | josepha: and the direct connection is pppoe over a dsl? |
| 13:13.25 | aladds | righto |
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| 13:13.30 | aladds | so i have to start again? |
| 13:13.31 | aladds | ok |
| 13:13.35 | josepha | pppoe |
| 13:13.41 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: i'm no iptables guru - don't know offhand |
| 13:13.48 | josepha | yes:) |
| 13:15.18 | aladds | the message dpkg has given me isn't right for powerpc |
| 13:15.33 | aladds | you say "install" rather than "linux" |
| 13:15.34 | nsadmin | so I'm not sure you can do this... but maybe you can put the dsl modem into a hub, connect your computer to the hub, estabilsh the direct connection and then have another IP range which you gateway, and then you would run a dhcp server and maybe a dns so it's easy to connect |
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| 13:15.46 | abrotman | aladds: okay, then use that .. but the parameter should be the same |
| 13:15.51 | aladds | yeah trying it |
| 13:15.59 | aladds | i just thought someone should know |
| 13:16.03 | aladds | :) |
| 13:16.03 | nsadmin | it seems like that's -technically- doable |
| 13:16.31 | abrotman | aladds: sorry, most people here aren't doing installs to PPC |
| 13:16.39 | aladds | which is understandable |
| 13:16.47 | aladds | i just have this old iBook doing not a lot |
| 13:16.47 | xeon-enouf | goes afk for a bit |
| 13:16.53 | aladds | so i thought i'd make it useful :-) |
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| 13:17.30 | nsadmin | the solutions other than that are: try to fix nm, try to use /etc/network/interfaces to provide two different connections |
| 13:17.32 | AL-Hadi | uN{IQ}uE`18f dont spam |
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| 13:17.38 | AL-Hadi | oper plz ban him |
| 13:17.47 | josepha | well, i think i could do that, but it would take more than an hour |
| 13:17.55 | AL-Hadi | gtfo uN{IQ}uE`18f |
| 13:17.57 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 13:18.04 | aladds | AL-Hadi: I second that, he spammed me too... |
| 13:18.09 | AL-Hadi | ya |
| 13:18.17 | AL-Hadi | well he spammed me the hell of links |
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| 13:18.23 | AL-Hadi | i hate this . |
| 13:18.34 | josepha | oh, well the instructions you gave me, are already the case here. |
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| 13:18.58 | josepha | i hope you know what i mean:) |
| 13:19.03 | abrotman | mquin: thanks |
| 13:19.06 | AL-Hadi | haha |
| 13:19.17 | AL-Hadi | k-lined |
| 13:19.25 | AL-Hadi | love you who did this .. many thanks |
| 13:19.34 | abrotman | now back to Debian? |
| 13:19.39 | nsadmin | I don't want to upset the balance of power in your relationship :) |
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| 13:19.49 | AL-Hadi | debian rulez |
| 13:19.49 | josepha | :) |
| 13:19.53 | AL-Hadi | :) |
| 13:20.09 | AL-Hadi | brb |
| 13:20.28 | reaktae | This may be simpler than I think, but running Lenny, azureus keeps downloading a 4.2.0.8 update and asking to restart after an important update. Immediately after that update, it attempts to repeat these same steps over and over again. Should I just disable the built-in update functions and let aptitude take care of azureus? Is there anything else I can do? |
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| 13:21.43 | josepha | nsadmin: its alright:) i think ill search a little bit more for a nm-solution. if i dont find anything ill come back and maybe you can explain me /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:21.54 | bohne | hi, on our debian etcht server, apt-get install postgresql-8.1 runs without errors, but after installation, the file below /etc/postgresql/8.1/ are missing |
| 13:21.56 | nsadmin | josepha: the simplest possibility is to get one of those linksys routers |
| 13:22.16 | nsadmin | the kind that does pppoe |
| 13:22.58 | nsadmin | then both of you always use that and you eliminate the swiching |
| 13:22.58 | josepha | nsadmin: i know... |
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| 13:23.21 | josepha | well he doesnt want one, dont ask me why |
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| 13:24.20 | nsadmin | he likes providing |
| 13:24.29 | josepha | seems so:) |
| 13:24.45 | josepha | i have to go now, thanks a lot for your help |
| 13:24.55 | josepha | :) |
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| 13:24.58 | nsadmin | at least you know your choices |
| 13:25.40 | josepha | yes:) have a nice day. |
| 13:25.48 | nsadmin | same to ya |
| 13:25.56 | josepha | thanks:) |
| 13:25.56 | AL-Hadi | same to you |
| 13:26.01 | josepha | :) |
| 13:26.03 | AL-Hadi | np |
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| 13:27.11 | phet | Hello everybody |
| 13:27.38 | phet | I am using Debian lenny and when I try to plug my USB stick I get some strange error: http://pastebin.com/m6daa7d0 |
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| 13:28.49 | themill | phet: are you in the "plugdev" group? |
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| 13:31.36 | greycat | Damn it, gparted is telling me to run chkdsk /f in Windows. That requires Administrator power. |
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| 13:32.59 | s10an | anyone know how to make kbluetooth work in squeeze? |
| 13:33.16 | ethanol | passive ftp uses tcp right, not udp? |
| 13:33.22 | bohne | E: Failed to create IPC pipe to subprocess - pipe (12 Cannot allocate memory) |
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| 13:33.38 | bohne | how to solve that problem? please help |
| 13:34.08 | phet | themill: yes I am in the plugdev group |
| 13:34.09 | bohne | 500MB of 1000MB free memory |
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| 13:36.34 | greycat | Is there some way to run chkdsk /f c: on an XP/NTFS file system without having Administrator rights on the hard-drive-installed copy of XP? Like, a freely downloadable live Windows command-line toolkit CD image? |
| 13:36.58 | pacopil | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 13:37.22 | kunwon1 | fail |
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| 13:37.39 | petemc | greycat: bart pe or one of its variants |
| 13:37.57 | petemc | greycat: its also trivial to reset the admin password |
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| 13:38.31 | greycat | I really don't think resetting the admin password would be wise in this case. |
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| 13:39.15 | alcohol | does iptables -L reflect active rules or known rules? (if I do iptables-restore do I have to restart iptables somewhere?) |
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| 13:39.22 | petemc | just install hpux on it |
| 13:39.28 | greycat | hmm, "bart pe" says it needs an XP installation/setup CD. |
| 13:39.37 | unk2k | Hello all! What it is ? => http://www.pentod.ru/humor.html |
| 13:39.41 | petemc | there are premade versions |
| 13:40.00 | alcohol | unk2k: looks russian to me |
| 13:40.02 | nsadmin | unk2k: a web address |
| 13:40.06 | greycat | unk2k: It's a URL. |
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| 13:41.13 | phet | I am using Debian lenny and when I try to plug my USB stick I get some strange error: http://pastebin.com/m6daa7d0 |
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| 13:41.59 | ranix | phet: looks like KDE is failing at mounting it |
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| 13:42.09 | ranix | phet: I'd ignore that and proceed |
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| 13:42.36 | mischief | wicd fails a lot atm ._. |
| 13:42.47 | reaktae | unk2k: what's this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/268586/ |
| 13:42.52 | phet | ranix: but I need to use my USB |
| 13:42.58 | ranix | phet: so use it |
| 13:43.04 | phet | it is not mounted |
| 13:43.09 | ranix | phet: so mount it? |
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| 13:43.55 | reaktae | be some deep shit in them jokes... "If a woman says she hates you, it means love, but you - a goat.", unk2k, where'd you get that? |
| 13:44.02 | Night_Elf | alcohol: active rules. The -L(isting) is fetched from what the kernel is currently having and acting upon. |
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| 13:44.55 | alcohol | hrm |
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| 13:45.36 | yang | aptitude safe-upgrade produces this warning - dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead. |
| 13:45.51 | alcohol | I'm pinging from 192.168.2.x, but everything not coming from 192.168.1.x should be dropped. yet my pings are succesful. might be that .2 uses the .1 gateway though. not sure how to check :\ |
| 13:46.10 | tzafrir_laptop | yang, dpkg and aptitude are from the same Debian version? |
| 13:46.35 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: well, let me see... |
| 13:46.45 | Night_Elf | alcohol: you could traceroute |
| 13:46.50 | nsadmin | alcohol ping is icmp |
| 13:46.51 | gr11x | alcohol: drop icmp packets |
| 13:46.55 | shyam_k` | as i connect to my home router(&modem that the isp gave me), it happens like i can ping the router's ip but not any external site. But at the same time I can telnet to router and see that it can ping external sites!. where can be the problem? |
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| 13:47.10 | phet | ranix: how can I know which one is my USB in /dev |
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| 13:47.33 | shyam_k` | also everything works fine if reboot the router and reconnects the lap! and this happens everytime! |
| 13:47.40 | nsadmin | shyam_k`: router not routing. |
| 13:47.53 | yang | dpkg ver. 1.15.3.1, aptitude ver. 0.4.11.11-1+b2 |
| 13:47.53 | dpkg | yang: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:48.08 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: hmm.. what can i look/check? |
| 13:48.19 | nsadmin | the router :) |
| 13:48.47 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: when you say reconnect the laptop, that means wired connection? |
| 13:49.13 | agiofws_ | hi |
| 13:49.16 | agiofws_ | can someone help me ? |
| 13:49.19 | agiofws_ | root@ubu:/home/agiofws# mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /media/cdrom |
| 13:49.19 | agiofws_ | fuse: mount failed: Invalid argument |
| 13:49.22 | agiofws_ | ? |
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| 13:49.47 | alcohol | gr11x: I have it set to drop pretty much everything except for a few accept rules |
| 13:49.59 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: no its wireless |
| 13:50.11 | gr11x | iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -s ! 192.168.1.0/24 -j DROP |
| 13:50.17 | Night_Elf | Agiofws: -t iso9660 |
| 13:50.18 | greycat | agiofws_: does "ubu" mean it's ubuntu? Why is fuse involved in any way? |
| 13:50.20 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: reconnecting the lap after i reboot it |
| 13:50.38 | agiofws_ | greycat, is fuse ? involved ? |
| 13:50.43 | shyam_k` | now how i connect to internet is like : I connect to router, and i can ping to router and load the router web interface or telnet to it but no external sites would work. I reboot the router and reconnect to it, one or a couple of times and it works! |
| 13:50.45 | agiofws_ | yes it does mean ubu |
| 13:50.56 | tzafrir_laptop | phet, ls /dev/disk/by-id |
| 13:51.20 | gr11x | alcohol: my syntax is wrong, the ! is before -s |
| 13:51.28 | alcohol | http://pastie.org/612312 |
| 13:51.31 | greycat | agiofws_: #ubuntu |
| 13:51.34 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: i can telnet to the router and get a custom busybox session. how can i check whether its routing or not? |
| 13:51.38 | justin | agiofws_: /dev/sda1 is not your cdrom |
| 13:51.39 | alcohol | gr11x: there is my config, can you check it? |
| 13:51.49 | agiofws_ | i know ... |
| 13:51.56 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: also everytime after a reboot it works too! |
| 13:51.57 | agiofws_ | justin, its just a dir name |
| 13:51.57 | nsadmin | shyam_k what is the router? |
| 13:52.07 | themill | agiofws_: then you should know better |
| 13:52.14 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: its a utstarcom dsl modem and router that the isp gave me |
| 13:52.19 | bolt | I restart ntp with a cronjob every night to get new servers to sync against. Sometimes the connection drops and ntp will screw up. Anyway, the point is: My crontab line is: "0 4 * * * /etc/init.d/ntp restart &>/dev/null", yes I still get an email every night saying ntp stopped and started. Why do I get that email?! Running the command in a console produces no output. |
| 13:52.20 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: dpkg ver. 1.15.3.1, aptitude ver. 0.4.11.11-1+b2 |
| 13:52.21 | gr11x | alcohol: try iptables -vnL while pinging |
| 13:52.28 | shyam_k` | http://www.utstar.com/Products/Customer_Premise_Equipment/DSL_Modems/ |
| 13:52.30 | gr11x | see where your packets match |
| 13:52.32 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: ^ |
| 13:52.40 | tzafrir_laptop | yang, isn't that an old aptitude? |
| 13:52.50 | themill | judd versions aptitude |
| 13:52.51 | judd | themill: aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4 lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1 sid: 0.4.11.11-1+b2 squeeze: 0.4.11.11-1+b2 experimental: 0.5.3.1-1 |
| 13:52.52 | agiofws_ | /dev/sda1 1 9729 78148161 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 13:53.02 | alcohol | gr11x: hrm, that just gives me one ouput screen, then stops |
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| 13:53.14 | justin | bolt: &> is a bash thing |
| 13:53.22 | justin | bolt: use > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 13:53.31 | gr11x | repeat and look for the counters |
| 13:53.32 | agiofws_ | themill, cool |
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| 13:53.34 | agiofws_ | root@ubu:/home/agiofws# mount /dev/sda1 /media/test |
| 13:53.35 | agiofws_ | root@ubu:/home/agiofws# |
| 13:53.37 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: I am using squeeze |
| 13:53.45 | Ezep | Hello buddies, I have problems with my sound card, it's strange because before it was running good. The output of aplay -l is: |
| 13:53.48 | gr11x | bytes and packets |
| 13:53.48 | bolt | justin: ah. will do |
| 13:53.48 | Ezep | [ezep@Sophie ~]\$ aplay -l |
| 13:53.51 | Ezep | aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found... |
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| 13:53.55 | tzafrir_laptop | yang, but aptitude from etch? |
| 13:54.04 | themill | agiofws_: please stop pasting crap into the channel and please stop asking questions about ubuntu in #debian. |
| 13:54.09 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: squeeze: 0.4.11.11-1+b2 |
| 13:54.16 | themill | tzafrir_laptop: that's squeeze's aptitude |
| 13:54.17 | tzafrir_laptop | oh, sorry |
| 13:54.20 | Ezep | And the output of lspci is: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:54.21 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: any idea or a link to a proper router trouble shooting doc? |
| 13:54.27 | nsadmin | shyam_k` it seems like the isp should handle this... the device itself doesn't itself run debian does it? |
| 13:54.48 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: I assume that aptitude safe-upgrade always updates also aptitude to newest version available |
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| 13:54.56 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: is it an embeded device of a sort? It just might even have a faulty/buggy firmware |
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| 13:55.09 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: nope its a broadcom bcm6338 chipset based dsl modem which runs a linux and busybox in it. |
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| 13:56.10 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: so i can be sure that its not the problem with my laptop wireless driver anyway |
| 13:56.10 | nsadmin | so you can't get a shell when you telnet in? |
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| 13:56.26 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: if you say it works when you reboot/recoonect that means that the rules work after all. But they have to 'start' which I'd guess that's what's not happening properly. |
| 13:56.59 | nsadmin | shyam_k` does your laptop work on other wireless nets? |
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| 13:57.41 | sphenxes | hi, i would like to rsync my homepage with my own computer. i connect to my isp using ssh using my computer. however, i have a problem with rsync command. rsync -avr -e ssh username@host.com:/path/ /destination/my/computer/. I get the following error: rsync: mkdir "/myStore/myHostMonster" failed: No such file or directory (2). this directory is on my computer |
| 13:57.47 | sphenxes | any suggestion please |
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| 13:58.29 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: don't have any other wireless connections near bye.. |
| 13:58.44 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: hmm.. |
| 13:58.57 | nsadmin | shyam_k` you reboot what, the router? |
| 13:59.03 | fireba11 | got a software raid5 where a HD is marked faulty. how can i find out what caused it to be marked as faulty in detail? HD check says its okay, but it keeps getting marked as faulty every couple hours ^^ |
| 13:59.03 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: yeah |
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| 13:59.26 | nsadmin | and after you do the laptop does what? |
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| 14:00.13 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: hmm i do ifup wlan0 and ifdown wlan0 to on and off the connection. As the modem reboots, the connection will be down.. so i does ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0 again |
| 14:00.16 | catsup | fireba11: check your logs, install smartmontools |
| 14:00.17 | jelly | fireba11: anything relevant for that device in /var/log/kern.log or dmesg? |
| 14:00.18 | gr11x | fireba11: did you read smart values |
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| 14:01.01 | nsadmin | so the modem is also a wireless router? |
| 14:01.09 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: yeah |
| 14:01.37 | nsadmin | are you renting it from the ISP? |
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| 14:02.01 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: nsadmin actually its after i got this problem that i dig a bit about the router http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/hacking-beetel-220x-adsl-router-broadcom-bcm6338.html that shows getting a telnet on the router of which the ISP or the manufacture says nothing about. Am drafting a letter to gpl-violations.org as i have just found the ISP is providing firmware upgrades to dozens of such modem&router things that they supply:) |
| 14:02.09 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: i bought it from them |
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| 14:03.09 | fireba11 | gr11x: short smart test returns no errors |
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| 14:03.41 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: the one on the blog is beetel one but i am having one from utstarcom. The ISP gives more variety of modem&router almost all based on broadcom chips and all of them should be having the same linux and busybox thingy:) |
| 14:04.19 | nsadmin | see if they will replace it... (as far as gpl stuff goes, if they supply source for the gpl-licensed things, they're in the clear) |
| 14:04.30 | gr11x | fireba11: try smartctl -A /dev/yourdisk |
| 14:04.50 | gr11x | look for non-zero values at reallocated_sector_count |
| 14:05.11 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: yeah.. anyway thats about licensing.. so this problem would clearly be with the router anyway right? |
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| 14:06.03 | nsadmin | would seem so, yes... but we still don't know what your laptop does in a different situation |
| 14:06.07 | fireba11 | gr11x: that is still 0. it complains about airflow_temperature though .. which is odd, the room is 21 degrees celcius where the box is in |
| 14:06.25 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: of course there's also the 'adhesive ribbon' solution of seeing if you can add to /etc/rc.local some 4-5 lines of down/up/down/up the wlan0 interface for you after booting. :D |
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| 14:06.41 | gr11x | did you check drive temperature smart value? |
| 14:06.51 | gr11x | also check dmesg/kern.log as jelly said |
| 14:07.10 | greycat | Have I mentioned lately how much I *FUCKING HATE* web pages that offer me something to download only through javascript? |
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| 14:07.14 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: thats for the laptop? |
| 14:07.31 | greycat | I guess I need to boot this PC into Windows mode to download this god damned Windows boot CD image, because I cannot manage to decipher the Javascript well enough to get the REAL URL OF THE FILE so I can wget it on a machine that has enough space. |
| 14:07.32 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: well.. where do you issue those commands? on the laptop ? |
| 14:07.35 | nsadmin | shyam_k also if this isp is your only choice, you might want to avoid pissing them off if you can |
| 14:08.33 | shyam_k` | nsadmin: its the state owned major isp around.. i would rather make them aware of the situation. if its having any attention, that would make the official's eyes open towards what free software is.:) |
| 14:09.01 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: yeah thats the fun:) i have to reboot the router every first time i connect to net:) |
| 14:09.23 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: as i can telnet to it, i was just checking how can i solve the problem on router without a reboot;-) |
| 14:09.26 | gr11x | greycat: how did you load the webpage atm? |
| 14:09.48 | greycat | gr11x: mozilla 1.4 on HP-UX 10.20 on my non-Intel-based machine |
| 14:10.17 | bor | gr11x: http://pastie.org/612327 which of those rules could prevent apt-get from working? when I run it now, it is unable to connect to any ftp hosts. |
| 14:10.28 | greycat | But mozilla always wants to download things into /tmp first and then move it into /home, so I would need enough free space in both of those file systems to let the browser download this file. |
| 14:10.53 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: so basically this is typical: You reboot router, connect to the net with laptop and it's late night. Then before sleep you shutodwn laptop but not router. Next day, you wake up and after laptop startup, you have to reboot router before you connect again. ?? |
| 14:10.56 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: but that would require to read all those routing stuff and by hearting iptables manpage and all?:) |
| 14:11.00 | greycat | Normally I'd just copy the URL into my clipboard-thingy and then wget it on some other machine. Like one that actually has a CD burner. |
| 14:11.21 | bor | gr11x: does apt-get use passive ftp, and if so, which ports should I open for this? |
| 14:11.22 | gr11x | bor: you have no ftp-source-port exception |
| 14:11.27 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: yeah |
| 14:11.41 | bor | gr11x: what do you mean? |
| 14:11.42 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: i rarely put the router off |
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| 14:11.51 | fireba11 | gr11x: yes, drive temperature is at 55 degrees (rather high with room temp of 21, just checked the case, it's still cool to the touch so i don't know why its so hot in there but that should still be fine. got a kernel error but no idea what it means |
| 14:11.56 | gr11x | ah passive mode? hrm |
| 14:11.58 | bor | gr11x: I have port 20 and 21 completely open |
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| 14:12.16 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: |
| 14:12.17 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: situation is exactly as you said. |
| 14:12.19 | Night_Elf | I see |
| 14:12.29 | gr11x | bor: you have ftp server ports open |
| 14:12.43 | bor | gr11x: which would be client? |
| 14:12.46 | gr11x | ftp client connections use other ports |
| 14:12.50 | gr11x | random > 1024 |
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| 14:13.07 | greycat | bor: I would strongly recommend using HTTP instead of FTP with apt-get. |
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| 14:13.22 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: well is that a problem? i had learned that more impulses(i mean on/off surges) causes static devices to have less life time |
| 14:13.24 | shyam_k` | ;-) |
| 14:13.26 | bor | greycat: where would I configure this? |
| 14:13.32 | s10an | anyone know how to make kdebluetooth work in squeeze? I stoped working after I did apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 14:13.37 | fireba11 | ah well maybe the disc is damaged ... |
| 14:13.42 | greycat | Virtually all of the Debian mirrors offer HTTP. Just change the sources.list to "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ ...." or whatever. |
| 14:13.56 | gr11x | bor: change ftp links in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:14.11 | bor | ah so http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ into http://nl.debian.org/debian/ |
| 14:14.11 | bor | ? |
| 14:14.29 | greycat | bor: if it already says http:// then there is nothing to change. |
| 14:14.39 | bor | but they all say http:// |
| 14:14.43 | bor | but when I run apt-get update |
| 14:14.46 | greycat | Then you're using HTTP. Good. |
| 14:14.46 | bor | it tries to connect to ftp |
| 14:14.52 | greycat | The *hostname* is ftp. |
| 14:14.56 | bor | [Connecting to ftp.nl.debian.org (130.89.149.21) |
| 14:14.57 | greycat | But it's using HTTP to connect. |
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| 14:15.03 | bor | it fails to connect |
| 14:15.04 | bor | how come? |
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| 14:15.19 | greycat | try "telnet 130.89.149.21 80"? |
| 14:15.21 | gr11x | protocoll://this.is.all.host.name |
| 14:15.24 | gr11x | -l |
| 14:15.30 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: nsadmin: anyway thanks a lott. i'll just get a router replacement and tell ISP to release the source;-) |
| 14:15.34 | bor | trying and fails |
| 14:15.53 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: that can be true yea. But I'd think it could be a router problem. Or the wireless driver at the router doesn't handle the airoconnections prioperly and needs to be "blanked' before using it again. |
| 14:15.54 | gr11x | because you block incoming telnet... |
| 14:15.57 | greycat | It just hangs forever? Or it gives an error? |
| 14:16.04 | bor | http://pastie.org/612327 anything in my iptables that I misconfigured? it looks right to me. outgoing is all open |
| 14:16.08 | bor | gr11x: which port is telnet? |
| 14:16.09 | greycat | gr11x: port 80. |
| 14:16.14 | gr11x | 23 |
| 14:16.24 | bor | hrm |
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| 14:16.39 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: say, does this happen with your laptop alone or also with other laptops when trying to get in the net through your router/wireless ? |
| 14:16.40 | bor | but a debian how-to on iptables told me not to allow telnet because it is insecure and only allow ssh :< |
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| 14:16.43 | greycat | Using "telnet host 80" to manually make an HTTP connection has nothing do with with blocking incoming telnet. |
| 14:16.55 | greycat | bor: blocking port 23 is OK. |
| 14:16.57 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: oh wireless connection at router.. hmm.. i'll have a play around that next time;-) i was playing with ifconfig <handle> <properties> {up|down} at the router;-) |
| 14:17.04 | greycat | HTTP uses port 80 by default. |
| 14:17.07 | bor | so, what should I open then? |
| 14:17.11 | bor | port 80 is open |
| 14:17.11 | gr11x | you will have data incoming from telnet source port |
| 14:17.22 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: unfortunately my desktop is down too.. so no way to check that:( |
| 14:17.28 | gr11x | kk got it |
| 14:17.29 | greycat | You should allow all OUTGOING connections, and allow incoming responses to any connections you make. |
| 14:17.36 | gr11x | overread all port 80 mentions ;) |
| 14:17.40 | greycat | gr11x: please stop misinforming him. |
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| 14:17.52 | gr11x | yep my fault |
| 14:18.12 | bor | http://pastie.org/612327 well OUTPUT is all open. INPUT from port 80 should be open too |
| 14:18.22 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: just my ideas on this anyhow. But it could well be a point of failure worth paying attention too. |
| 14:18.24 | bor | should I try opening 23 and see if it works? |
| 14:18.27 | greycat | The input will come from an unpredictable port. |
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| 14:18.37 | bor | ok, how rude. :< |
| 14:18.39 | abrotman | so .. telnet is bad, but ftp is okay? |
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| 14:18.45 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: which of course can be resolved by a systen image upgrade |
| 14:18.47 | greycat | You have to use stateful connection management, however iptables does that. |
| 14:18.54 | greycat | Permit *responses* to any connections you make. |
| 14:18.55 | bor | abrotman: we have to run an ftp server |
| 14:19.01 | greycat | Ask #iptables how to do this. |
| 14:19.51 | bor | will do |
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| 14:20.58 | bor | -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT should do the trick I reckon |
| 14:21.33 | shyam_k` | Night_Elf: yeah and there comes the point of having the sources;-) to get us the ability to fix the problem ourselves;-) |
| 14:21.50 | shyam_k` | off to writing the letter to gpl-violations:) |
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| 14:23.54 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: hehe. I lack the knowledge for these. But isn't it possible that after all, that the driver for the BCM6338 chipset is the same, in these router boxes and the stock kernel drivers ? |
| 14:25.28 | shyam_k` | hmm..uh i too did doubt that;-) but does the bcm6338 firmware thingy include the busy box thing too? i should check that..:) |
| 14:25.34 | justin | shyam_k`: most likely your router works fine but you have just configured things wrong |
| 14:25.59 | shyam_k` | justin: like? |
| 14:26.47 | justin | shyam_k`: try factory defaulting the router |
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| 14:28.11 | shyam_k` | justin: hmm.. yeah i just read that too.. |
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| 14:28.49 | Night_Elf | shyam_k`: to what I know, busyBox is a big-shell-includes-system-utilities-too instead of -normal-shell-with-separate-utilities. This way its much smaller and easier to integrate in embeded devices. To what I know, busyBox doesn't deal with drivers. It just how to say, provide an internal "ls" so you don't need a /bin/ls |
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| 14:34.11 | Arafangion | Can I use 16GB of RAM if I use the 32-bit OS? |
| 14:34.21 | Arafangion | (Not neccessarily in the same process) |
| 14:34.26 | SlayerXP | Arafangion: with a PAE kernel, yes |
| 14:34.40 | Arafangion | Would I be better off just going with 64-bit? |
| 14:35.00 | catsup | probably |
| 14:35.09 | SlayerXP | Arafangion: possibly |
| 14:35.32 | Arafangion | If none of my applications actually require more than 2GB of address space, and don't even need it to be contigious - what then? |
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| 14:35.47 | Arafangion | I assume that the code for 32-bit apps is slightly denser? |
| 14:35.57 | SlayerXP | Arafangion: "denser"? |
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| 14:36.07 | Arafangion | Smaller, for the same code. |
| 14:36.18 | SlayerXP | umm, why would you care? |
| 14:36.43 | Arafangion | SlayerXP: Why would I use 32-bits instead of 64-bits? |
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| 14:37.12 | Night_Elf | Arafangion: I hear some apps don't like 64bit much but I can't name any |
| 14:37.26 | SlayerXP | Arafangion: because you use a third-party binary 32 bit library to which you have no souce code? |
| 14:37.34 | SlayerXP | source |
| 14:38.36 | Arafangion | SlayerXP: That's perhaps the only situation... I'll use a chroot or more likely a virtualiser for that. |
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| 14:41.50 | Arafangion | Hmm, unless NVidia is still 32-bit... |
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| 14:44.28 | trukosh | i am 192.168.0.1 - i have 2 gateways: 192.168.0.100 + 192.168.0.200 - how do i say that everything that comes in over 192.168.0.100 is answered to 192.168.0.100 and same with 200? |
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| 14:45.08 | justin | trukosh: not easily |
| 14:45.14 | greycat | probably #iptables |
| 14:45.46 | justin | trukosh: you're not trying to load balance your connection are you? |
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| 14:46.16 | CodeNinja | how can I use screen and ssh to start a process and disconnect from it, allow it to continue running and be able to connect back to it to check on its status? |
| 14:46.17 | Night_Elf | trukosh: Isn't it that normal tcpip behaviour is such as if a packet comes in from interface X, the reply is send as well through interface X, unless explicitly indicated otherwise ? |
| 14:46.28 | justin | CodeNinja: ssh server screen .... |
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| 14:46.34 | CodeNinja | ? |
| 14:46.41 | justin | CodeNinja: see the screen manpage for the options you want |
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| 14:48.11 | trukosh | I'll explain: we have one sdsl line. When this one is down, we can use a adsl-line. We have to change DNS. When sdsl is back, we change DNS again. Some systems have mx-name cached and still come over the adsl line, some come over the sdsl line. |
| 14:48.22 | woshty | CodeNinja: ctrl+a+d |
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| 14:50.19 | CodeNinja | woshty: so I start screen, start the process inside screen, then ctrl+a+d? |
| 14:50.23 | Night_Elf | trukosh: these lines are to give access to a server of a sort which needs to be reached from the world ? |
| 14:50.39 | woshty | CodeNinja: jep, and screen -r to reconnect .. anything more, read manpage |
| 14:50.44 | justin | CodeNinja: no, you read the screen man page like I told you to |
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| 14:50.54 | trukosh | Night_Elf yes, our mailserver |
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| 14:51.49 | greycat | why does it matter through which gateway you route outgoing packets in that situation? |
| 14:51.54 | Night_Elf | trukosh: what is meant by "each time we switch lines, we have to change DNS" ? |
| 14:51.54 | greycat | whichever one works, works, right? |
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| 14:53.45 | trukosh | Night_Elf: adsl line has other IP than our sdsl line. So we have to change DNS. |
| 14:54.16 | greycat | Why don't you just create a second MX record? |
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| 14:54.44 | Night_Elf | trukosh: I'd roughly guess that each line appears with its own ip address to the world, say address A and B. So you have mx for yourdomain set to A for the first line, and need to be set B when you use the other line. Now, how about setting two mx-es and have them be that way? |
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| 14:56.17 | Night_Elf | trukosh: it's exactly the same thing as greycat suggested. This way, when the first mx indicated ip is not reached for any reason, the second one is tried, reached and that'd be it. |
| 14:57.20 | greycat | *Phew* Finally, I managed to get the NTFS file system repaired! The second NTFS utility on Hiren's boot CD worked. |
| 14:57.32 | Jrm_ | !buildserver |
| 14:57.33 | trukosh | Night_Elf, greycat: Second MX is one thing, but what about the pop-clients, webmail, .. |
| 14:57.54 | Jrm_ | Someone knows what happened to buildserver? |
| 14:58.07 | abrotman | trukosh: you probably want something more like #networking .. sounds like you want some sort of dynanic routing |
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| 14:58.15 | abrotman | Jrm_: be less vague |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | dynamic |
| 14:58.48 | Jrm_ | to kernel-archive.buildserver.net |
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| 14:59.43 | greycat | ##networking |
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| 15:00.26 | xeon-enouf | Jrm_: "kernel-archive.buildserver.net down until further notice" |
| 15:00.26 | pren0x | hi, does anyone have the any_any patch for vmware-server 1.0.9 and 2.6.30 kernel... all i find doesnt work :/ |
| 15:00.33 | xeon-enouf | Jrm_: from #debian-kernel |
| 15:00.39 | Jrm_ | xororand: Ok, thanks |
| 15:00.44 | catsup | trukosh: all you can do is set the ttl on your dns record |
| 15:01.16 | abrotman | pren0x: ask #vmware |
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| 15:01.21 | pren0x | thx |
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| 15:01.23 | catsup | trukosh: most protocols simply have no means for client-side failover to a secondary ip |
| 15:01.36 | Night_Elf | trukosh: I'd still map the same hostname to both ip addresses. In case of normaliy, all is well. In cases of trouble, it will still be working even though tcpip wise there will be packet drops which will be reflcted as slowdowns. But this is till better than messing with DNS more often than needed. |
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| 15:01.53 | abrotman | he should go to ##networking |
| 15:02.07 | Night_Elf | still/till |
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| 15:06.12 | Laacis | HTTP://MU.GAMEFOR.LV BET MUONLINE EVER! |
| 15:06.13 | Laacis | HTTP://MU.GAMEFOR.LV BET MUONLINE EVER! |
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| 15:06.56 | greycat | gparted was successful, and the kmuto Lenny+2.6.30 is booting to the menu with simply "install fb=false". |
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| 15:07.12 | Laacis | HTTP://MU.GAMEFOR.LV BET MUONLINE EVER!! |
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| 15:07.20 | cusco | hi |
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| 15:07.30 | abrotman | greycat: so the fb only works in utf8 mode ? |
| 15:08.00 | greycat | All I know right now is that it fails with "install" and works with "install fb=false". |
| 15:08.09 | abrotman | cute |
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| 15:09.37 | cusco | I have been downloading recursively pages of routers with wget |
| 15:09.50 | cusco | normally they use basic auth, but this SMC uses form based password |
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| 15:10.00 | cusco | the form is: <input maxlength="12" size="9" name="pws" type="password"> |
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| 15:10.11 | cusco | so I thought that wget --recursive --post-data='pws=smcadmin' would do the job |
| 15:10.18 | greycat | cusco: try #wget |
| 15:10.29 | cusco | ok thanks greycat |
| 15:10.46 | greycat | (also check whether the form submission is POST or GET) |
| 15:10.52 | chellomere | cusco, it likely uses a cookie for authentication. |
| 15:10.52 | cusco | err |
| 15:11.17 | cusco | chellomere: --header='Cookie:pws=smcadmin' does not work neither |
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| 15:11.30 | petemc | curl has a submit option |
| 15:12.01 | justin | cusco: you need to post to the login action, form authentication is not the same as http authentication |
| 15:12.05 | cusco | but wget downloads pages recursively |
| 15:12.06 | chellomere | cusco, right, that won't work. (1) login using a browser (2) take a look in the browser settings to see the cookie |
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| 15:12.21 | cusco | chellomere: I did |
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| 15:12.48 | cusco | justin: precisely |
| 15:13.36 | cusco | chellomere: live-headers plugin for firefox/iceweasel shows: http://paste.debian.net/46228/ |
| 15:13.38 | chellomere | cusco, also note that there should be a space in between the : and the data. tho it might work anyway in some cases. |
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| 15:14.01 | chellomere | cusco, that's a POST. |
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| 15:15.15 | cusco | chellomere: yes I know |
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| 15:16.05 | digilink-laptop | hey guys quick question. I have a two interface Debian Lenny system running as a firewall. I get my IP via DHCP from my provider on eth0. As a result, /etc/resolv.conf is filled with their DNS servers. If I change this to a different pair of DNS entries in this file, will it survive a reboot? |
| 15:16.15 | chellomere | cusco, did you check whether you have a cookie? |
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| 15:16.49 | greycat | you probably want to install the resolvconf package and set it up so that dhcp doesn't change your resolv.conf file |
| 15:17.27 | digilink-laptop | greycat: is that the only method? Is there a setting somewhere I can change or is my only option to install resolvconf? |
| 15:17.44 | themill | digilink-laptop: /msg dpkg override dns |
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| 15:18.26 | digilink-laptop | themill: great info, tnx :) |
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| 15:19.21 | samuelvogel | what does the "--system" of useradd do? never have been able to find it out... |
| 15:19.28 | greycat | ''man useradd'' |
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| 15:19.34 | samuelvogel | i know |
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| 15:21.12 | samuelvogel | i was wondering if there is any "real" difference while logging in or using a system |
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| 15:22.17 | themill | samuelvogel: it's just the range used for the user id. "man 5 adduser.conf" has further details |
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| 15:22.43 | samuelvogel | okay, thanks |
| 15:22.48 | s10an | anyone know how to make kdebluetooth work in squeeze? I stopped working after I did apt-get dselect-upgrade. I get a error at installing bluez-utils from lenny. |
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| 15:23.02 | outlier | Is there a guide somewhere on how to get everything working on a lenny desktop? I'm hoping for something like ubuntuguide.com but I haven't found it yet. |
| 15:23.46 | petemc | outlier: a guide to get everything working would be quite a large document - what specifically do you want to get working? |
| 15:23.51 | abrotman | outlier: what is 'everything' ? |
| 15:24.06 | greycat | 'working' also deserves clarification... |
| 15:24.11 | petemc | heh |
| 15:24.18 | nsadmin | for each thing, true, |
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| 15:25.22 | greycat | can barely wait to see what horrors xorg will bring today |
| 15:25.46 | greycat | at least I know gparted live was happy enough as 1280x1024 with vesa |
| 15:26.07 | outlier | my bad. Sound has essentially zero volume, flash doesn't work in the browser yet (and evidently the .deb from adobe isn't compatible),.. |
| 15:26.36 | abrotman | !tell outlier about adobe flash |
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| 15:26.59 | jelly | will abstain from the "install ubuntu" answer |
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| 15:27.05 | outlier | ah - well that explains the flash then. |
| 15:27.58 | jelly | judd: kernel |
| 15:28.00 | judd | jelly: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 15:28.14 | jelly | judd: no dude, sid should be at 2.6.31 |
| 15:28.14 | judd | jelly: Error: "no" is not a valid command. |
| 15:28.20 | nsadmin | outlier: can you ping yahoo.com? can you log in to both console and xdm? |
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| 15:28.52 | kasimon | Hi, I want to add a gpg key to a local keyring package. Is there a way to add a key to a keyring file without importing the key or the keyring? |
| 15:29.03 | outlier | abrotman: thanks. I didn't know about debian-multimedia.org. |
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| 15:31.54 | outlier | nsadmin: yes, it's the sound & video I've had issues with. I finally got the nvidia drivers to work with my kernel, but sound & some browser plugins are still elusive. |
| 15:32.46 | Arafangion | Which Debian do I want if I want to use a 64-bit system? (Intel Xeon). Is this 'i386'? |
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| 15:32.48 | greycat | OK, apparently the xorg horror for today is "I won't put HxV mode descriptions in xorg.conf any more, and there are no examples in the man page, ha ha!" |
| 15:33.01 | kasimon | Found it: gpg --keyring ./my-keyring --no-default-keyring --import key.gpg |
| 15:33.05 | themill | greycat: /msg dpkg configure xorg |
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| 15:33.28 | maligor | Arafangion, amd64 |
| 15:33.36 | greycat | "resolution is configured by your desktop environment"??! |
| 15:33.46 | greycat | what the fuck kind of chicken-and-egg problem is that? |
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| 15:33.57 | maligor | Arafangion, or you can also use i386 for 32bit mode |
| 15:34.05 | Arafangion | maligor: amd64? Makes sense. :) |
| 15:34.24 | maligor | AMD made the 64bit extension to x86 |
| 15:34.34 | Arafangion | maligor: I'm thinking of buying the Debian DVD for my new system, just nice to be able to set it all up without internet access. |
| 15:34.46 | Arafangion | maligor: I'm aware of that, just wasn't sure of what it meant. :) |
| 15:35.13 | Arafangion | Now does Debian do the 64-bit support? (A url would be nice) |
| 15:35.23 | maligor | 'do'? |
| 15:35.25 | Arafangion | Is it entirely 64-bit, or? |
| 15:35.42 | Arafangion | How did they choose to mix up the 32-bit and 64-bit libraries. |
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| 15:36.17 | maligor | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ia32-libs |
| 15:36.26 | Arafangion | Thanks. :) |
| 15:36.28 | greycat | finds an example xorg.conf through google so he can tell X to run at 1280x1024 which works instead of 1900something which is pitch black. |
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| 15:36.53 | maligor | Arafangion, aside from specific bits, it's entirely 64bit |
| 15:36.59 | maligor | ie, the ia32- stuff |
| 15:37.06 | jelly | Arafangion: unstable is in the process of getting less messy wrt mixing i386 and amd64 stuff |
| 15:37.08 | bawhaha | what should i do with bind9 if all i want is for my debian machine to respond to a reverse dns with something (it's a mail server and i have my domain / ns elsewhere i just pointed mail.asdfasdf.com to the debian machine and i want it to respond to dns w/ the same domain, mail.asdfasdf.com) |
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| 15:37.15 | maligor | and wine |
| 15:37.38 | Arafangion | maligor: wine's perhaps the only area where I /might/ want 32-bit. |
| 15:37.40 | greycat | bawhaha: you don't need bind installed if all you want is for your ISP to set your PTR record for your static IP address. |
| 15:37.40 | stdisease | I'm trying to install netbeans-ide, but it wants me to install openjdk, and I dont' want openjdk, is there a way I can work around this? |
| 15:37.53 | Arafangion | maligor: And NVidia... |
| 15:38.02 | bawhaha | greycat: so that's controlled by isp and not the machine itself? |
| 15:38.14 | greycat | bawhaha: your machine doesn't "respond to DNS" unless you are the authoritative name server (NS) for some zone. |
| 15:38.20 | Arafangion | jelly: Good to know - it's nice to have a "clean" system. |
| 15:38.37 | maligor | Arafangion, that is to say, wine is 32bit since 64bit wine doesn't make much sense and nvidia provides 32bit stuff for their drivers |
| 15:38.38 | bawhaha | hmm ok thanks |
| 15:39.14 | jelly | maligor: also wine at this point isn't very good at doing windows x64 stuff |
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| 15:39.26 | Arafangion | maligor: That's why I thought I /might/ want 32-bit for wine. |
| 15:39.55 | Arafangion | maligor: Otherwise I'll likely just load VMware - actually, binaries are a good reason why I /do/ want 32-bit. |
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| 15:40.26 | Arafangion | Looks like NVidia's 64-bit now. |
| 15:40.39 | stdisease | They've been 64-bit for a while afaik |
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| 15:40.50 | maligor | they've had 64bit drivers for ages, what I meant they have 32bit compat libraries in their 64bit drivers |
| 15:41.04 | stdisease | except for fBSD and other systems |
| 15:41.10 | Arafangion | http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html <-- Even opensource for nForce. Now gotta make sure I've got nForce... |
| 15:41.21 | maligor | heh |
| 15:41.24 | maligor | no, they don't |
| 15:41.33 | maligor | they're all standard drivers from opensource people |
| 15:41.40 | maligor | it even includes forcedeth |
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| 15:41.56 | Arafangion | What? |
| 15:42.25 | Arafangion | Oh... Not for *graphics*. |
| 15:42.39 | maligor | nforce is mb chipset |
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| 15:43.52 | maligor | only amd and intel do opensource drivers |
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| 15:44.02 | maligor | for 3d chipsets |
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| 15:44.03 | themill | fsvo opensource |
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| 15:44.42 | abrotman | and certain chipsets |
| 15:45.19 | maligor | can't think of any amd 3d chipset that didn't |
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| 15:45.25 | themill | stdisease: what jdk do you want to use? |
| 15:45.32 | jelly | themill: WHERE driver LIKE "those parts that run in the main CPU, not any part of GPU" |
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| 15:45.41 | stdisease | themill, I already have sun jdk6 installed |
| 15:45.46 | abrotman | maligor: uhm .. that didn't what? there were tons .. |
| 15:45.49 | abrotman | and there still are |
| 15:45.54 | themill | stdisease: from the debian packages? |
| 15:46.00 | stdisease | themill, yes |
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| 15:46.16 | maligor | abrotman, really? some really old stuff? |
| 15:46.20 | abrotman | no .. new stuff |
| 15:46.25 | abrotman | and expensive stuff |
| 15:46.29 | jelly | maligor: most ati cards need non dfsg-free firmware uploaded to make drm work |
| 15:46.31 | maligor | no, they have drivers |
| 15:46.37 | abrotman | maligor: that do 3d? no |
| 15:46.44 | maligor | abrotman, actually yes |
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| 15:47.00 | maligor | the thing is, last I checked the 3d was slower than software, but it was on the gpu |
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| 15:47.08 | abrotman | maligor: where is the open source 3d accelerated driver for the FireGL workstation cards ? |
| 15:47.21 | themill | stdisease: ahh... netbeans-platform has a dependency on openjdk -- and it's not written as a dependency with alternatives for sun-java6-jdk instead |
| 15:47.29 | maligor | firegl is just a radeon with a bit flipped |
| 15:47.34 | Amse | hi |
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| 15:47.42 | abrotman | maligor: where is the driver? |
| 15:47.47 | SlickEli | hi |
| 15:47.48 | maligor | same driver |
| 15:47.49 | SlickEli | someone here how know mISDN? |
| 15:47.54 | themill | !dbugs 499417 |
| 15:47.58 | stdisease | themill, well I'd say it should be fixed |
| 15:48.02 | dpkg | #499417:N[netbeans-platform] netbeans-platform: please depend on a generic java, not only openjdk (); Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:18:01 UTC [] |
| 15:48.03 | themill | stdisease: ^^ |
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| 15:48.24 | stdisease | themill, netbeans is originally released along sun's jdk after all |
| 15:48.35 | abrotman | maligor: no, it's not |
| 15:49.19 | maligor | abrotman, heh, I did a softfiregl way back for radeon cards in linux out of curiosity, they're the exact same chips with a bit flagged somewhere |
| 15:49.30 | abrotman | not the same |
| 15:49.38 | jelly | abrotman, maligor: please take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 15:49.40 | abrotman | man radeon .. man radonhd .. man ati .. find it |
| 15:49.49 | SlickEli | who had experiens with ISDN on Debian? |
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| 15:51.23 | themill | stdisease: yes, it's likely that it will changed in a future version, although because sun-java6-jdk is non-free, many maintainers might not be particularly interested in doing so. |
| 15:51.26 | themill | stdisease: You could probably fake-out that dependency using an "equivs" package to pretend that it's installed (since anything openjdk can do, sun java can usually do if it exists for that architecture). /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 15:53.25 | stdisease | themill, maintainers attitude just screws things up for the user (me). I'll see about equivs |
| 15:54.54 | themill | stdisease: the maintainers have many different influences on them -- remember that Debian is about free software and sun-java is non-free; Debian is also about users and sometimes users want easy routes to non-free software. No matter what the maintainer does in that sort of balance, someone is going to shout at them for doing what they believe is wrong. |
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| 15:56.00 | Arafangion | for one, prefers the way Debian does non-free stuff. |
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| 15:57.31 | g00se | What do you think's amiss with this CDR? http://pastebin.com/f2d35261b |
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| 15:59.04 | themill | stdisease: I might also add that in this case, netbeans has *no* maintainer so this is unlikely to change any time soon. Would you like volunteer to take over maintenance? See bug #543907 and /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 15:59.51 | stdisease | themill, I may, but I'll have to read up on debian policies and protocols first |
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| 16:00.03 | themill | indeed |
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| 16:00.48 | stew | i dunno if netbeans would be a good introduction to package maintanence |
| 16:01.26 | stdisease | why wouldn't it be? |
| 16:01.45 | stew | becuase java makes everything harder |
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| 16:01.48 | themill | stdisease: it's a big and complicated package |
| 16:02.36 | stdisease | I see, but no worries I wouldn't commit myself if I'm not up to it |
| 16:03.20 | Arafangion | There is no advantage to Java. |
| 16:03.27 | Arafangion | Compared to other alternatives. |
| 16:03.50 | themill | stew: you should see the guys trying to bash eclipse back into shape in #d-java. It's been an impressive tour de force for the last month or so. |
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| 16:04.13 | stew | Arafangion: sure there are advantages |
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| 16:04.32 | stew | (and disadvantages) |
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| 16:05.11 | mischief | anyone know of a simple program to put a background on X, behind every other X window? |
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| 16:05.45 | Titan8990_ | sounds like if it were available it would be a feature of your window manager |
| 16:06.04 | Arafangion | No, mischief is after an old-school program that paints the root window. |
| 16:06.12 | Arafangion | I forget the name, though. |
| 16:06.19 | SlickEli | no one how know ISDN on debian? |
| 16:06.40 | mischief | yeah, Arafangion you're right. i use scrotwm |
| 16:06.53 | Titan8990_ | !isdn |
| 16:06.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, isdn is (Integrated Services Digital Network) This is a digital line that is often used to connect to the Internet. It generally come in two flavors: one is a 56 Kbps version, which in actuality only uses half of the ISDN line's bandwidth; the other is the 128 Kbps version, which uses both the 56 Kbps channels on the line. However, that's only 112 Kbps--the other 16 Kbps are an 8 Kbps back channel of each line., or at ... |
| 16:07.39 | themill | mischief: xsetroot |
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| 16:08.11 | mischief | themill, xsetroot is too limited |
| 16:08.31 | Arafangion | mischief: xsetroot + imagemagick? |
| 16:08.36 | themill | in which case I clearly have no idea what it is you're wanting |
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| 16:09.03 | mischief | i'd like to lay an image over the root window. like a background you know, the pretty blue kind that GNOME has, etc |
| 16:09.42 | Arafangion | xsetroot |
| 16:09.47 | themill | See back in the dark ages before I started using a sensible window manager, I used to do that with xsetroot |
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| 16:10.16 | g00se | udev seems to have skipped my cd drives. Why would that be? |
| 16:11.24 | xeon-enouf | ok .. how do i set the font size when using "lpr < filename" from within an xterm? (mrxvt actually) |
| 16:11.39 | xeon-enouf | it's friggin huge and overly spaced |
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| 16:11.51 | g00se | mischief: Why not find out what's in use and replace the image with your own? |
| 16:12.38 | mischief | g00se, how do you mean? |
| 16:12.40 | Arafangion | mischief: YOu could also run nautilus, I think that /might/ be what you mean. |
| 16:12.45 | g00se | xeon-enouf: Think you'd do that as part of the font name |
| 16:12.53 | Arafangion | mischief: It'll do more than just paint a background image, though. |
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| 16:13.10 | g00se | mischief: You want a desktop background image? |
| 16:13.12 | xeon-enouf | g00se: which fontname? |
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| 16:13.33 | mischief | g00se, essentially, yeah |
| 16:13.35 | xeon-enouf | g00se: you mean my console set font? (that's what it seems like) |
| 16:13.37 | g00se | xeon-enouf: A font name can be an argument to lpr |
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| 16:13.43 | Ohan | hi there people |
| 16:13.55 | Ohan | is there a way to check the scheduler granularity (the tick rate) |
| 16:13.56 | xeon-enouf | g00se: heh, man lpr /font |
| 16:13.58 | xeon-enouf | nada |
| 16:14.05 | Ohan | is it 10ms by default on debian lenny? |
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| 16:14.15 | g00se | mischief: Do you have an existing one? |
| 16:14.17 | stdisease | xeon-enouf, lpoptions |
| 16:14.26 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: thank you |
| 16:14.31 | mischief | g00se, no, i'm running X and scrotwm and that's about it |
| 16:14.33 | stdisease | xeon-enouf, y/w |
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| 16:14.50 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: however; |
| 16:14.51 | xeon-enouf | 2$ man lp |
| 16:14.51 | xeon-enouf | lp lpc lpinfo lpoptions lpq lprm |
| 16:14.52 | xeon-enouf | lpadmin lpdomatic lpmove lppasswd lpr lpstat |
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| 16:15.06 | jelly | Ohan: check your /boot/config-$(uname -r) for the build time kernel options |
| 16:15.08 | xeon-enouf | what a dump |
| 16:15.08 | stdisease | oopsie |
| 16:15.23 | Ohan | jelly, thanks, i'll check that straight away ;) |
| 16:15.27 | g00se | xeon-enouf: You're using Lenny BSD lpr? |
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| 16:15.51 | xeon-enouf | g00se: i have no idea, but CUPs works and i want to print a simple text doc |
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| 16:16.10 | jelly | Ohan: Debian kernel build options are rather conservative, don't expect lots of performance tuning. |
| 16:16.16 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: crap - i'm blind .. |
| 16:16.18 | g00se | mischief: I suggest you run something with one and then replace it with your own |
| 16:16.46 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: still man lpoptions /font == nada |
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| 16:16.55 | Ohan | jelly, CONFIG_HZ=250 <=== is that what i'm looking for? |
| 16:17.03 | g00se | lpr [-cdfghlmnpqrstv] [-#num] [-1234 font] ................... |
| 16:17.05 | xeon-enouf | for hardwareinterrupt, yes |
| 16:17.21 | kmq | mischief: http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:FAQ maybe the first question can help you ? |
| 16:17.26 | jelly | Ohan: don't ask me, you were the one talking about scheduler options so I assumed you had a clue |
| 16:17.29 | stdisease | xeon-enouf, well you use lpoptions to set the desired font size etc.. but the options themselves.. I don't know which manpage has that |
| 16:17.30 | xororand | Ohan: yes, the default seems to be 250 Hz on debian lenny |
| 16:17.32 | xeon-enouf | SYNOPSIS lpr [ -E ] [ -H server[:port] ] [ -U username ] [ -P destination[/instance] ] [ -# num-copies [ -h ] [ -l ] [ -m ] [ -o option[=value] ] [ -p] [ -q ] [ -r ] [ -C/J/T title ] [ file(s) ] |
| 16:17.39 | Ohan | so that would mean: 250HZ => 1/250 seconds => 4ms ? |
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| 16:17.44 | xororand | yes |
| 16:17.49 | stdisease | cpi=<n> : characters per inch |
| 16:18.09 | xeon-enouf | g00se: no ideawhich manpage you're viewing - there's mine |
| 16:18.13 | g00se | xeon-enouf: You're using a different lpr to me then |
| 16:18.22 | xeon-enouf | i guess so |
| 16:18.25 | stdisease | lpoptions -o cpi=<n> that is |
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| 16:18.38 | Ohan | thanks a lot guys! |
| 16:18.39 | xororand | Ohan: cat /proc/sys/kernel/sched_min_granularity_ns |
| 16:18.49 | xororand | Ohan: maybe that's the information you seek ^ |
| 16:18.54 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: font SIZE will do for now .. more info would be helpful -- thanks |
| 16:19.03 | xeon-enouf | hrm |
| 16:19.07 | Ohan | xororand, oh, so it's not the same as what i have in the config in /boot |
| 16:19.17 | Ohan | that would be 8ms, not 4ms, right? |
| 16:19.39 | xeon-enouf | Pattern not found (press RETURN) |
| 16:19.44 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: ^^^^^ |
| 16:19.51 | xororand | Ohan: it's 8000000 on my system too, which is configured with CONFIG_HZ_1000=y, hmm.... |
| 16:19.57 | xororand | yeah, 8ms |
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| 16:20.18 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: for a 'cpi' search |
| 16:20.27 | Ohan | xororand, odd |
| 16:20.36 | stdisease | xeon-enouf, you probably won't find it in the lpoptions manpage, mine doesn't have it |
| 16:20.42 | xeon-enouf | is anyone here using DEBIAN!? |
| 16:20.46 | xororand | Ohan: /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_period_us is 1000000ns (1ms) here |
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| 16:20.55 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: maybe --help ;-) |
| 16:21.09 | Titan8990_ | jordan@pc-tesla ~ $ cat /etc/issue |
| 16:21.09 | Titan8990_ | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
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| 16:21.13 | xeon-enouf | nope |
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| 16:21.49 | Ohan | xororand, so which one is the number to use? :P |
| 16:21.57 | xororand | Ohan: nevermind. that's µs, not ns :) |
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| 16:22.16 | xerxas | Hi all |
| 16:22.19 | Ohan | xororand, yeah, so that would be 1second, right? |
| 16:22.44 | Ohan | which is... not really believable ;) |
| 16:23.02 | xerxas | I would like to non interactively install sun-java6-jre but apt-get install show me a ncurses windows that asks me to accept the DLJ license |
| 16:23.05 | xerxas | how can I bypass that ? |
| 16:23.16 | xerxas | how can I install a jvm with tools like puppet or capistrano ? |
| 16:23.33 | themill | xerxas: http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/javapbuilder |
| 16:23.38 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: rather than waste paper + ink, got a relative command i could pass to test? (lpoptions -o cpi=80 ?) it looks like ~40-50 chars per line atm |
| 16:24.08 | stdisease | cpi=18 works good enough for me |
| 16:24.28 | themill | xerxas: either adapt those ideas to your situation, or see the links at the end to how you could do it using puppet |
| 16:24.36 | xerxas | themill: thanks ! |
| 16:24.43 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: stupid nano formatting really sucks. ... ugh .. i've had to completly overhaul the tabs and spaces and such to make it"fit" into the "printable" region |
| 16:25.07 | stdisease | there's margin options and stuff |
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| 16:25.13 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: 18? chars per line? isn't like fontsize=70? :-P |
| 16:25.22 | xerxas | themill: actually I'm on a ubuntu system, but that doesn't change the game |
| 16:25.23 | xerxas | does it ? |
| 16:25.29 | stdisease | chars per *inch* |
| 16:25.29 | xeon-enouf | idon't even care about margins atm |
| 16:25.34 | xeon-enouf | oh! |
| 16:25.52 | xeon-enouf | tries - and wastes ink and papel |
| 16:26.05 | themill | xerxas: no idea how they manage such things in their packages. You'd have to either try it and see or ask #ubuntu. |
| 16:26.17 | stdisease | anything from 12-18 looks reasonable to me |
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| 16:27.54 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: bingo!@ -- thanks! |
| 16:28.02 | xeon-enouf | looks presentable |
| 16:28.18 | xeon-enouf | $ lpoptions -o cpi=18 ; lpr ~/dir/filename |
| 16:28.18 | stdisease | xeon-enouf, all right! |
| 16:28.31 | stdisease | you only have to lpoptions once |
| 16:28.46 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: didn't know - didn't wantto chance it ;-) |
| 16:28.47 | stdisease | unless you're changing the value of course |
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| 16:29.06 | stdisease | lpoptions without args will print the current vals |
| 16:29.15 | stdisease | values |
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| 16:29.21 | xeon-enouf | intersting - thanks again stdisease |
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| 16:30.09 | stdisease | page-top=9 page-bottom=9 page-left=12 page-right=12 << page margins, in POINTS |
| 16:30.18 | superjoe | how do you adjust the vblank_mode of opengl programs? I am trying to fix this warning: "do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly. Try adjusting the vblank_mode configuration parameter." |
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| 16:34.07 | public_morozov | hi.. |
| 16:34.19 | stdisease | what's up |
| 16:34.20 | public_morozov | who used virualbox? |
| 16:34.23 | stdisease | me |
| 16:34.47 | Titan8990_ | everyone in #virtualbox |
| 16:35.05 | public_morozov | ;( trouble: after i added more 1 cpu to vm, vm is not started |
| 16:35.25 | stdisease | public_morozov, sounds like a #virtualbox issue |
| 16:35.25 | public_morozov | processors support IVT |
| 16:35.31 | public_morozov | ok.. |
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| 16:42.29 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 16:42.30 | TD | Exception (global name 'NetworkRelays' is not defined) during event 'onPrivmsg' handler RelayModule.OnPrivmsgHandler at RelayModule.OnPrivmsgHandler on line 279: network = params[ParamConstants.TB_NETWORK] |
| 16:42.56 | chellomere | TD, turn that off, please. |
| 16:42.58 | DelphiWorld | i'm installing some packages... is still connecting to http.us.debian |
| 16:43.06 | DelphiWorld | .org |
| 16:43.14 | TD | Turn what off? I pasted into the wrong channel |
| 16:44.02 | chellomere | TD, ah ok, it looked like you had some scripts running, that failed when it got a PRIVMSG from DelphiWorld. |
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| 16:44.25 | TD | Hehe |
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| 16:45.42 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: i posted to you a pm? |
| 16:45.43 | DelphiWorld | now? |
| 16:45.55 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, no. |
| 16:46.14 | stdisease | DelphiWorld, try restarting the install |
| 16:46.15 | DelphiWorld | ChalamiuS: ;) |
| 16:46.33 | stdisease | DelphiWorld, if using apt-get or aptitude it will continue the transfer where it left off |
| 16:46.34 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, in irc protocol speak, you PRIVMSG a channel. so right now, I PRIVMSG #debian. |
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| 16:47.27 | jelly | I privmsg YOU, Pikachu! |
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| 16:48.21 | DelphiWorld | love PM's because of screen reader accessibility |
| 16:48.32 | DelphiWorld | hello, using a PM! |
| 16:50.45 | jvogel | how do we know what kernel debian testing is currently using? |
| 16:51.00 | themill | judd: kernels |
| 16:51.01 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 16:51.34 | chellomere | jvogel, apt-cache policy linux-image-686, alternatively packages.debian.org/linux-image-686 |
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| 16:52.55 | jvogel | if we have iso1 is there a way to install bigmem kernel from cd? |
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| 16:53.07 | o_ | hello. is there a debian package to test CPU's (Athlon) integrity? or just startup self-test is enough? (it halted because of overheating so i had to reboot the PC). |
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| 16:53.27 | chellomere | o_, try stress |
| 16:53.57 | Stouniii | hey everyone, is it possible to install debian from the live cd? |
| 16:54.13 | o_ | chellomere: okay, thanks |
| 16:54.47 | jelly | Stouniii: not in a simple straightforward way |
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| 16:55.44 | asdzxc | hi |
| 16:55.56 | asdzxc | how can i import my private key via GPG ? it's in PEM format |
| 16:56.08 | jelly | Stouniii: you could do it manually, format and mount the partitions, use debootstrap to install, then set up your account, boot loader and have reasonable chance of a complete Debian base system |
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| 16:57.32 | Stouniii | hmm, okay thx i think i will download the full iso image.. |
| 16:57.56 | chellomere | Stouniii, does the computer you're installing onto have a wired network connection? |
| 16:58.08 | AJKhan | hello my good poople! |
| 16:58.28 | stdisease | Hello AJKhan |
| 16:58.33 | themill | AJKhan: ETOOMANYNICKS |
| 16:58.41 | AJKhan | :) |
| 16:58.48 | AJKhan | oops I mean people |
| 16:58.51 | Stouniii | yes network connection is wired |
| 16:59.00 | chellomere | Stouniii, get the netinstaller. |
| 16:59.02 | AJKhan | hahaha, poople. |
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| 16:59.12 | chellomere | it's KHAAAAN |
| 16:59.14 | stdisease | :D\ |
| 16:59.32 | AJKhan | o_, you want a non linux tool |
| 16:59.34 | Stouniii | can you explane me whats the netinstaller is? |
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| 16:59.46 | AJKhan | o_, im not sure the name of the bootcd, but it has all sorts of stress testing tools |
| 17:00.09 | chellomere | !netinstall |
| 17:00.09 | AJKhan | o_, stress cpu, memory, system resources, graphics, etc. etc. |
| 17:00.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
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| 17:00.09 | AJKhan | o_, and generate reports too |
| 17:00.09 | jelly | Stouniii: the installer cd image. around 150-200MB big |
| 17:00.39 | nullable_type | Hey guys, I am doing a remote installation of Debian, I have someone at datacenter and have got to a point i can continue remotely..... At this point can i remove the cd at the server? otherwise it will boot from there on restart |
| 17:01.01 | AJKhan | nullable_type, what point are you at?> |
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| 17:01.09 | nullable_type | Partition Disk |
| 17:01.10 | AJKhan | nullable_type, we have no idea, so we can't say if its afe or not |
| 17:01.10 | greycat | OK, where's xlock? Seriously. |
| 17:01.21 | AJKhan | nullable_type, you did a debootstrap? |
| 17:01.48 | nullable_type | i actually downloaded the netinstall cd, choose expert install mode and allowed it to do remote install |
| 17:01.52 | AJKhan | nullable_type, how did you install, what step are you at? whats up? |
| 17:01.57 | AJKhan | i see |
| 17:01.59 | o_ | AJKhan: i just need an integrity test, just ot be sure the CPU is OK after the overheating halt. kinda like memtest but for CPU. |
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| 17:02.09 | nullable_type | so everything is good, i am on SSH and it ask me to partition disk |
| 17:02.30 | nullable_type | at this point, the guy at the datacenter might leave so i want to know if i can remove the CD |
| 17:02.32 | AJKhan | nullable_type, im not familiar with this type of a debian install method personally |
| 17:02.35 | nullable_type | otherwise it will boot from cd |
| 17:02.40 | themill | judd info xlockmore |
| 17:02.42 | AJKhan | nullable_type, I've only done remote debootstraps successfully |
| 17:02.48 | nullable_type | ohh hmm |
| 17:02.54 | AJKhan | nullable_type, yes it will boot from cd |
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| 17:03.05 | nullable_type | AJKhan, but most probably we wont need cd anymore rite |
| 17:03.06 | AJKhan | nullable_type, but you don't have to take the cd out now |
| 17:03.07 | nullable_type | at this point |
| 17:03.11 | nullable_type | ohh ok |
| 17:03.18 | AJKhan | nullable_type, leave the cd in until the installer actually asks you to take it out |
| 17:03.22 | AJKhan | nullable_type, at one of the last steps |
| 17:03.24 | greycat | I didn't even find xlockmore on lenny-backports. That's pathetic. |
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| 17:03.26 | nullable_type | AJKhan, can you help me continue with the rest of the installation, i am sort of a newbie |
| 17:03.27 | AJKhan | nullable_type, just to be safe/sure |
| 17:03.31 | nullable_type | ok cool |
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| 17:03.41 | AJKhan | nullable_type, the install guide is a good place to start, right now you need to partition your disks |
| 17:03.44 | AJKhan | I can't help you with that |
| 17:03.49 | AJKhan | nullable_type, you have to decide how to partition |
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| 17:04.15 | AJKhan | nullable_type, feel free to ask about each installation step if you are confused. |
| 17:04.16 | nullable_type | ya i mean it ask Guided - use entire disk or setup LVM. Do i need to setup LVM |
| 17:04.20 | AJKhan | nullable_type, also, /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:04.35 | AJKhan | nullable_type, do you need to setup lvm? if you have to ask, no. |
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| 17:04.41 | themill | greycat: xlock wasn't in etch either that I can see. |
| 17:04.42 | AJKhan | nullable_type, don't use entire disk |
| 17:04.51 | AJKhan | nullable_type, use guided and at least keep /home on seperate partition |
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| 17:05.08 | AJKhan | nullable_type, I would advise manual parititon, but if you are unfamiliar with partitioning, then the default choices shyould be ok |
| 17:05.17 | greycat | How the fuck do people survive without xlock? This is a standard program! |
| 17:05.17 | AJKhan | nullable_type, I would advise still, guide, home on seperate partition |
| 17:05.23 | nullable_type | It only give me Guided - use entire disk OR Guided - use enter disk and setup LVM OR Manual |
| 17:05.27 | AJKhan | greycat, hey you're back |
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| 17:05.33 | AJKhan | greycat, get your domain up buddy |
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| 17:05.35 | AJKhan | :) |
| 17:05.49 | greycat | AJKhan: it's up. |
| 17:05.54 | AJKhan | wooledge was down and i had to host ftp must die on my website |
| 17:06.01 | AJKhan | greycat, awesome youre the man |
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| 17:06.17 | themill | greycat: I suspect most use xscreensaver or some variation on that. |
| 17:06.20 | justin | as bad as ftp is it isn't as bad as SMB :) |
| 17:06.36 | AJKhan | justin, hehe true |
| 17:06.47 | greycat | If I install this 'xscreensaver' thing, will I be able to type 'xlock' and walk away? |
| 17:06.54 | greycat | And then will I be able to get back in? |
| 17:06.56 | themill | greycat: e.g. I use "kdesktop_lock --forcelock" |
| 17:07.01 | AJKhan | greycat, uhm... dont' use it |
| 17:07.05 | AJKhan | greycat, just xlock is good |
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| 17:07.13 | greycat | AJKhan: it's missing. |
| 17:07.31 | AJKhan | greycat, otherwise you'd have to configure your screensaver setup |
| 17:07.40 | AJKhan | greycat, as for just wlaking away, you need to configure it obviously |
| 17:07.55 | AJKhan | im not sure xlock working together with the screensaver, never tried it. |
| 17:07.59 | greycat | I want to be able to type 'xlock'. And walk away. I should be able to do this. |
| 17:08.04 | AJKhan | try it. |
| 17:08.09 | greycat | I'm going to see if I can build sid's xlockmore. |
| 17:08.28 | AJKhan | judd versions xlock |
| 17:08.28 | judd | AJKhan: xlock -- |
| 17:08.31 | themill | greycat: alias xlock="kdesktop_lock --forcelock" (or whatever xscreensaver thing you choose) |
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| 17:08.40 | nullable_type | AJKhan >> Should i partition each /home /usr etc..... or just /home is sufficient |
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| 17:08.56 | AJKhan | judd versions xautolock |
| 17:08.57 | judd | AJKhan: xautolock -- etch: 1:2.1-7 lenny: 1:2.1-7.1 sid: 1:2.1-7.1 squeeze: 1:2.1-7.1 |
| 17:09.01 | nullable_type | AJKhan >> The applications i might install might have lot of logs |
| 17:09.05 | AJKhan | nullable_type, /home is sufficient |
| 17:09.09 | themill | !dbugs 318123 |
| 17:09.12 | AJKhan | nullable_type, google for debian partitionin guide |
| 17:09.14 | dpkg | #318123:I[xlockmore] [CVE-2006-0061] xlockmore: xlock segfaults with libpam-opensc, returns to user session (security); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:33:02 UTC [399003] |
| 17:09.15 | themill | greycat: ^^ |
| 17:09.15 | AJKhan | !partition |
| 17:09.15 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 17:09.19 | AJKhan | read this please |
| 17:09.25 | AJKhan | well |
| 17:09.29 | AJKhan | what about xautolock? |
| 17:09.32 | nullable_type | ya thanks |
| 17:09.38 | AJKhan | !+info xautolock sid |
| 17:09.40 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:09.48 | AJKhan | oh nm |
| 17:09.52 | greycat | Does it have a manual bit too? |
| 17:09.53 | AJKhan | thats a fucking... nm |
| 17:10.20 | AJKhan | You can use this to automatically start up a screen locker if you have left your computer unattended for some period of time. |
| 17:10.27 | dpkg | xautolock: (Program launcher for idle X sessions), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.1-7.1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 17:10.44 | AJKhan | use in conjunction with xlock |
| 17:10.57 | greycat | AJKhan: what part of "THERE IS NO XLOCK" do you not grasp here? |
| 17:11.04 | AJKhan | greycat, I grasp it |
| 17:11.09 | AJKhan | greycat, you said you were going to build it. |
| 17:11.15 | AJKhan | greycat, why are you so upset? |
| 17:11.19 | greycat | If I can build it, then I don't need this auto shit. |
| 17:11.42 | AJKhan | greycat, i understand you are frustrated, but please calm down. |
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| 17:12.18 | greycat | I should've known better than to ask questions in #debian. |
| 17:12.27 | stdisease | hahahahahhaha |
| 17:12.34 | beardy | That's right. |
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| 17:12.44 | AJKhan | greycat, 945 people, 1 question... do you have any idea how many answers you could get |
| 17:12.48 | AJKhan | and you're still complaining? |
| 17:12.59 | AJKhan | you've been here probably longer than I have, more than 8-9 years... |
| 17:13.02 | abrotman | greycat: for whatever reason, it's seemingly gone, but installing gnome-screensaver will get you the ability to lock the screen when the screen saver comes on |
| 17:13.07 | AJKhan | yes, you should've known better then. |
| 17:13.11 | themill | greycat: I gave you answers!? hmmph! |
| 17:13.32 | abrotman | comes to the party late and gives useless advice :) |
| 17:13.32 | greycat | Maybe some time I should write my own. Just a nice simple black screen and then a prompt to let you back in. No MESA, no OpenGL, no floating point fractal stuff.... |
| 17:13.40 | AJKhan | abrotman, hehe :) |
| 17:14.02 | stdisease | xscreensaver can just blank, no fractals |
| 17:14.26 | greycat | Can I type a command to activate it? Without having to write XML configuration files or anything? |
| 17:14.40 | abrotman | for the gnome one? |
| 17:14.42 | beardy | There is no xlock? (also late) |
| 17:14.48 | greycat | And without having to have a "DE", and without having to wait for it to kick in automatically? |
| 17:14.49 | abrotman | beardy: not in lenny |
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| 17:14.57 | beardy | FFS.. |
| 17:15.03 | nullable_type | AJKhan >> If i am not sure of partitioning at this point, I can change later too right? |
| 17:15.12 | ranix | development environment? |
| 17:15.15 | nullable_type | AJKhan >> I just want to do base installation now |
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| 17:15.21 | stdisease | Desktop |
| 17:15.23 | ranix | you mean bash + vim + gcc right? |
| 17:15.24 | g00se | Where did my disks go? http://pastebin.com/f2d35261b |
| 17:15.26 | ranix | oh right |
| 17:15.28 | abrotman | greycat: "gnome-screensaver -l" .. not sure about the DE installation bits or how much you would need |
| 17:15.30 | themill | greycat: man xscreensaver-command ffs. Or isntall the kde one and use the alias I gave you. |
| 17:15.35 | greycat | OK, good, xlockmore from sid deb-src built OK on lenny. Now I can go to lunch. |
| 17:15.42 | chellomere | greycat, xscreensaver-command -activate |
| 17:15.42 | ranix | Desktop Environment, you meen... uh... screen -dr right |
| 17:15.46 | stdisease | ranix, +screen |
| 17:16.03 | themill | greycat: you might want to see if #318123 is fixed... that's why it was removed from both etch and lenny after all |
| 17:16.09 | ranix | or emacs, emacs is a desktop environment right |
| 17:16.23 | AJKhan | nullable_type, chose guided |
| 17:16.25 | chellomere | it's also an operating system |
| 17:16.39 | AJKhan | so i maybe missed it but... uhm |
| 17:16.43 | stdisease | and a church |
| 17:16.45 | AJKhan | whats wrong with uhm... xlockmore ? |
| 17:17.38 | dutchfish | goodevening, can anyone help me with nouveaux drivers on 8400 chip with latest exa and mesa and? i cant get it to function on debian AMD64/squeeze with KMS enabled in kernel. |
| 17:17.51 | beardy | greycat: What was wrong with xscreensaver? No simple enough one available that you can use? |
| 17:17.53 | AJKhan | can anyone tell me |
| 17:18.02 | abrotman | judd: versions xlockmore |
| 17:18.03 | AJKhan | whats is wrong with xlockmore, its good ... |
| 17:18.03 | judd | abrotman: xlockmore -- sid: 1:5.27-1 |
| 17:18.07 | AJKhan | so? |
| 17:18.08 | abrotman | AJKhan: not in lenny perhaps ? |
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| 17:18.18 | AJKhan | are yo useriously telling me that someone like greycat can't ssb |
| 17:18.23 | themill | AJKhan: it's not in lenny not in etch and not in squeeze because it's a security disaster. |
| 17:18.23 | abrotman | he did .. keep up .. |
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| 17:18.34 | AJKhan | oh I was looking elsewhere in the meantime |
| 17:18.35 | abrotman | some people shouldn't be allowed to IRC ... seriously |
| 17:18.51 | beardy | License to IRC, make it so. |
| 17:18.51 | AJKhan | themill, I see, let me read up |
| 17:19.00 | themill | offers for greycat to give AJKhan reading lessons |
| 17:19.05 | AJKhan | lol |
| 17:19.36 | AJKhan | themill, which security issue? |
| 17:20.02 | themill | hopes AJKhan will take up said reading lessons |
| 17:20.06 | themill | AJKhan: [18:09] <dpkg> #318123:I[xlockmore] [CVE-2006-0061] xlockmore: xlock segfaults with libpam-opensc, returns to user session (security); Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:33:02 UTC [399003] |
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| 17:20.20 | AJKhan | I see |
| 17:20.34 | AJKhan | oh yeah, 2 pages up |
| 17:21.00 | AJKhan | oh I see whats goig on then. |
| 17:21.18 | themill | hears the echo of the penny dropping |
| 17:22.45 | AJKhan | failed unlock attempt on user ajavid |
| 17:23.08 | AJKhan | hm. I built it, it didn't segfault. It won't unlock. |
| 17:23.13 | AJKhan | let me check bts |
| 17:23.58 | beardy | !penny themill |
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| 17:24.21 | AJKhan | ok |
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| 17:24.55 | AJKhan | I don't see this bug listed anywhere. I can build it on lenny, and I can lock, no segfaults, but I dunno what THAT has to do with the segfault on libpam-opensc... but uhm. is not locking |
| 17:25.13 | AJKhan | I don't know the internals of this, so I dunno how it works or how it locks the session or whatever... but here it is so far |
| 17:25.25 | AJKhan | let me try -nolock |
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| 17:26.05 | abrotman | !tell AJKhan about enter |
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| 17:27.17 | AJKhan | nolock doesn't use auth on libpam someting I guess. so that resumes... |
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| 17:27.56 | Samus_Aran | can someone remind me which filesystem Debian suggests by default for a new install ? |
| 17:28.05 | Samus_Aran | I assume Ext3, but can't remember |
| 17:28.24 | AJKhan | If the machine is using a shadow password system, then xlock may not be set up to get the real password and so must be given one of its own. This can be either on the command line, via the -cpasswd option, or in the file $HOME/.xlockrc |
| 17:28.25 | Titan8990_ | Samus_Aran, typically ext3 but can vary on usage scenerios |
| 17:28.32 | AJKhan | I see... let me try this |
| 17:28.45 | Samus_Aran | Titan8990_: could you explain a little more, or is there a page that explains this scheme ? |
| 17:29.15 | Titan8990_ | Samus_Aran, i don't know of one, no, actually something i have learned from irc |
| 17:29.17 | abrotman | Samus_Aran: unless you know better, use ext3 |
| 17:29.44 | Titan8990_ | yeah, i can agree with abrotman on that |
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| 17:30.39 | ebx | Hi |
| 17:30.53 | ebx | how to allow only viewing certain directory within ssh |
| 17:30.56 | ebx | for given user |
| 17:31.02 | eshat | Hi all,... why does kmail not ask for my gpg passphrase when I want to encrypt an e-mail. Instead I get an error: "Wrong passphrase" |
| 17:31.04 | Titan8990_ | chroot jail |
| 17:31.20 | Samus_Aran | abrotman: I was actually asking as a deterant from someone using Ext4 when it's still so new. my personal recommendation is to not use a filesystem for a couple years after release, as bugs inevitably creep up |
| 17:31.36 | Samus_Aran | abrotman: and Debian tends to be "stable" |
| 17:31.44 | Titan8990_ | i personally have had stability issues with ext4 |
| 17:31.50 | abrotman | Samus_Aran: well, lenny doesn't have ext4 (as a stable filesystem) .. so taht answers your question |
| 17:32.13 | stdisease | ext4, works fine for me |
| 17:32.14 | Titan8990_ | but your friend will have a problem... ext4 was added stable in .28 and lenny uses .26 |
| 17:32.32 | patrikf | stdisease: that doesn't mean it won't eat other people's data |
| 17:32.43 | Titan8990_ | and .31 was released as stable today if anyone cares |
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| 17:32.55 | stdisease | patrikf, that's true, just relating my experience |
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| 17:33.43 | netsrot | Hi, how do I disable diskcheck in Lenny? I don't like being forced to do things. |
| 17:33.47 | stdisease | FUSE/ntfs on the other hand swallowed my data, by the time I discovered it, it had already eaten gigabytes... |
| 17:34.21 | Titan8990_ | netsrot, manually edit /etc/fstab for that change |
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| 17:34.50 | chellomere | netsrot, tune2fs |
| 17:34.53 | Titan8990_ | netsrot, have a look at man fstab |
| 17:34.54 | patrikf | or use tune2fs |
| 17:34.55 | Kuifje111 | hello all. are there any scripts out there which allow you to make dirs according to some rules? for example test[x], replace the x with 1 to 20, so it'll make test[1], test[2], etc. |
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| 17:35.37 | Samus_Aran | I have personally lost the least data with ReiserFS 3.6, but have nothing against any other established filesystem. I just don't recommend jumping onto a new one with important data |
| 17:35.48 | patrikf | Kuifje111: usually one writes such little scripts as one-liners. e.g.: mkdir test{1..20} |
| 17:36.01 | patrikf | (which doesn't even really qualify as script...) |
| 17:36.13 | Titan8990_ | Samus_Aran, reiser3 is referred to as the "self destructing filesystem" |
| 17:36.17 | Titan8990_ | only good for /tmp |
| 17:36.32 | Kuifje111 | patrikf: thanks for the help. |
| 17:36.40 | Kuifje111 | didnt know it was possible like that |
| 17:36.42 | patrikf | I thought reiser3 was rather stable by now. |
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| 17:37.19 | Titan8990_ | patrikf, im sure they dropped development on it when reiser4 was released |
| 17:37.23 | Samus_Aran | Titan8990_: I don't agree there at all. I use it for many terabytes of data for many years, on many systems. have yet to lose any files, including with many system crashes and two ReiserFS file table rebuilds |
| 17:37.45 | abrotman | Samus_Aran: aren't you concerned that oyu had to rebuild the table to begin with ? |
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| 17:38.55 | Samus_Aran | abrotman: not at all, that was from system crashes and non-RAID filesystems. all filesystems will get corruption when there are regular kernel crashes (*cough*nVIDIA*cough*ALSA*cough*) and hardware failures |
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| 17:39.30 | Samus_Aran | abrotman: I switched to ReiserFS 3.6 after losing a large amount of data on Ext3. but everyone has their own story. this is just mine. |
| 17:39.40 | alecs11 | hi, do you know what happens with kernel-archive.buildserver.net? it's not functioning anymore and I can't find any info |
| 17:39.58 | abrotman | alecs11: scheduled |
| 17:40.01 | Titan8990_ | Samus_Aran, this is what i meant "Some directory operations (including unlink(2)) are not synchronous on ReiserFS, which can result in data corruption with applications relying heavily on file-based locks (such as mail transfer agents qmail[4] and Postfix[5]) if the machine halts before it has synchronized the disk." |
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| 17:41.00 | Titan8990_ | Samus_Aran, actually, it does go on to say that it is now on par with ext3 |
| 17:41.14 | Titan8990_ | Samus_Aran, Early implementations of ReiserFS (prior to that in Linux 2.6.2) were also susceptible to out-of-order write hazards. For example, files being appended to during a crash gained a tail of garbage upon next mount. But the current journaling implementation in ReiserFS is now on par with that of ext3's "ordered" journaling level. |
| 17:41.16 | netherworld | Sorry to ask but anyone knows of a channel in freenode for general chat with computer enthusiasts? |
| 17:41.25 | greycat | Gah, dhclient.conf(5) doesn't show me the format for putting multiple superseding name servers in. |
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| 17:41.42 | Samus_Aran | netherworld: you will tend to find those groups based on operating systems, e.g. ##Linux or ##Windows |
| 17:42.08 | stew | greycat: "aptitude install resolvconf" :) |
| 17:42.34 | netherworld | Samus_Aran: I mean for mundane chat without being all about posing doubts and getting answers. |
| 17:42.56 | Titan8990_ | off-topic channels for your distro of choice or ##linux |
| 17:43.03 | Titan8990_ | they let pretty much anything go around there |
| 17:43.08 | netherworld | Thanks. |
| 17:43.23 | greycat | Ahh, good, "sudo ifdown eth0" gives me syntax errors on it! |
| 17:43.31 | greycat | I can eventually get this by trial and error.... |
| 17:43.42 | Samus_Aran | netherworld: I agree with Titan8990_. ##Linux is very open-ended. even discussion of Microsoft Windows isn't shunned, unless it turns into a flamewar, or interferes with people on-topic. |
| 17:43.54 | stew | greycat: you don't happen to have a million or so monkeys handy, do you? |
| 17:44.08 | ranix | Samus_Aran: ##Linux is full of mouthbreathing retards |
| 17:44.09 | netherworld | Thanks Samus_Aran. |
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| 17:44.18 | Samus_Aran | netherworld: there are also lots of other channels for computer related topics which are pretty open-ended, if you like particular fields. e.g. ##Security ##Networking etc. |
| 17:44.22 | themill | greycat: comma separated, no quotes |
| 17:44.30 | Titan8990_ | ranix, there is a large mix of skill levels on that channel |
| 17:44.33 | Samus_Aran | ranix: thank you for your input |
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| 17:44.48 | ranix | Titan8990_: that's a very politically correct way of putting it! ;) |
| 17:44.53 | greycat | themill: Yes, that's what I figured out on the third try. |
| 17:45.00 | Titan8990_ | hehe |
| 17:45.13 | stdisease | ranix, and occasional nutjobs |
| 17:45.20 | Samus_Aran | ranix: I suppose mouth-breathing isn't as good as gills ? |
| 17:45.26 | greycat | Obviously it would have been too simple if their example for ``supersede domain-name "foo bar";'' also applied to domain-name-servers. |
| 17:45.42 | themill | greycat: just like the rest of the file... |
| 17:45.44 | netsrot | so "# tune2fs -c 0 -i 0d /dev/sda" should disable diskchecks? |
| 17:45.48 | hipodilski | heya guys I'm looking for some piece of soft which would enable me to generate galleries from a directories containing picture files? |
| 17:45.54 | hipodilski | any idea what may I use? |
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| 17:46.23 | greycat | themill: you mean, the rest of the file apart from the bit that says IN THE MAN PAGE, ``supersede domain-name "fugue.com rc.vix.com home.vix.com";'' ? |
| 17:46.29 | stdisease | netsrot, unless it crashes or gets corrupted somehow, I guess |
| 17:46.30 | Samus_Aran | hipodilski: there are lots of premade apps and scripts that do that. do you want text based scripts, or PHP based web front-ends, or GUI apps ? |
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| 17:46.45 | hipodilski | Samus_Aran: text based is prefered |
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| 17:47.04 | greycat | dpkg, override dns =~ s/a.b.c.d/a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h/ |
| 17:47.04 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 17:47.11 | themill | bad greycat |
| 17:47.28 | netsrot | stdisease: great =) |
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| 17:47.45 | hipodilski | Samus_Aran: which one would you suggest me? |
| 17:47.49 | Samus_Aran | hipodilski: so not a web based one ? |
| 17:47.54 | greycat | dpkg, override dns =~ s/e.f.g.h, // |
| 17:47.54 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:48.08 | themill | greycat: apart from that one exception that is for a completely different option and is related to strings not ip adresses. |
| 17:48.26 | hipodilski | Samus_Aran: yes I want a text based software which would run a directories full with pictures into a shiny gallery |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | hipodilski: igal |
| 17:48.30 | stdisease | what is greycat trying to accomplish? |
| 17:48.45 | greycat | stdisease: someone else edited the bot's factoid at the same time I did. |
| 17:48.52 | greycat | stdisease: so I had to undo mine. |
| 17:49.02 | stdisease | ah |
| 17:49.27 | greycat | OK, now that I can resolve names in under 15 seconds, let's get back to looking at #318123 .... |
| 17:49.45 | Samus_Aran | hipodilski: personally I recommend one in Perl or PHP that dynamically creates your gallery, as it's the easiest to maintain. if you don't want a web based one, you could try bbgallery: http://bbgallery.sourceforge.net/sample/html/index_0.html |
| 17:50.05 | Titan8990_ | 15 secounds sounds like one dns server is timing about before getting a response from the next |
| 17:50.23 | themill | Titan8990_: hence greycat trying to override his dns settings... |
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| 17:51.09 | Titan8990_ | themill, yeah... still don't understand. what is there to override that was not manually put in or acquired via dhcp? |
| 17:51.26 | greycat | I want to put them in manually. And not have DHCP overwrite them. |
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| 17:51.50 | abrotman | the dhcp client config has a method to not ask for dns |
| 17:52.02 | greycat | Apparently the recommended #debian way to do that is to edit dhclient.conf to contain the things you want to put in manually, rather than somehow telling it never to touch resolv.conf at all. |
| 17:52.18 | greycat | But the way to put in multiple IP addresses was not clearly documented. |
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| 17:52.43 | hipodilski | Samus_Aran: okay thanks to you and to abrotman :) |
| 17:52.48 | Samus_Aran | hipodilski: welcome |
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| 17:52.53 | Samus_Aran | g'day allveryone, off to work |
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| 17:53.20 | uwjesd | Can I have compiz in wmii? I don't want any 3D effects just the exceleration it brings. |
| 17:53.26 | abrotman | greycat: you can change what you request, and explicitly omit dns and request everything else |
| 17:53.26 | uwjesd | acceleration that is |
| 17:53.34 | AJKhan | ok |
| 17:53.41 | AJKhan | I got xlockmore to work under debian |
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| 17:53.45 | AJKhan | i mean stable |
| 17:53.46 | AJKhan | yippy |
| 17:54.05 | greycat | abrotman: well, perhaps dpkg should be taught this. |
| 17:54.05 | SEJeff | Is there a way to prevent apt from restarting services when upgrading packages? |
| 17:54.05 | AJKhan | whatever security bug it had, I'm not too sure about didn't read it yet so I don't know how that affects it |
| 17:54.10 | Titan8990_ | greycat, it is, just maybe not in the man page, section 5.4.3 seems to cover it here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_syntax_of_etc_network_interfaces |
| 17:54.14 | themill | greycat: fixing your dhcp server would be better |
| 17:54.16 | abrotman | greycat: i tried to teach that bot stuff .. he just sasses |
| 17:54.18 | SEJeff | The apt-get and apt.conf man pages didn't help much |
| 17:54.22 | greycat | themill: not mine. |
| 17:54.29 | themill | Titan8990_: that's got nothing to do with it... |
| 17:54.35 | greycat | I work in Neurology, not in ITD. "They" control the network, the DHCP servers, etc. |
| 17:54.47 | greycat | I have my own DNS resolver, though. |
| 17:54.58 | themill | greycat: ahh. (there are some who seem to thing that chattr on /etc/resolv.conf is more elegant than correctly configuring the dhcp client) |
| 17:55.10 | Titan8990_ | themill, multiple IPs aern't typically configured via virtual interfaces? |
| 17:55.23 | greycat | Titan8990_: multiple nameserver entries in resolv.conf |
| 17:55.25 | themill | Titan8990_: it's a simple dhcp setup. |
| 17:55.31 | AJKhan | but I had to grab xlockmore from sid, edit debian/rules, enable --enable-xlockrc, openssl passwd -crypt, type your password, xlock -cpasswd <crypted password here> |
| 17:55.45 | AJKhan | you also put the crypted pw in the .xlock config file. |
| 17:55.53 | AJKhan | can also* |
| 17:56.13 | greycat | AJKhan: I didn't have to do any of that. |
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| 17:56.20 | AJKhan | greycat, ok |
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| 17:56.24 | AJKhan | greycat, I was bored. |
| 17:56.26 | Titan8990_ | greycat, oh, i did misunderstand |
| 17:56.28 | AJKhan | greycat, what did you do? |
| 17:56.41 | greycat | AJKhan: I built xlockmore from deb-src sid, installed it, and typed xlock. |
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| 17:56.56 | AJKhan | greycat, you have shadow passwords on yoru system? |
| 17:57.04 | AJKhan | greycat, I also build it from sid, but it wouldn't unlock me |
| 17:57.13 | greycat | It went into random screen-saver mode, which is fine. I was able to get back in with my real password, and I was rejected with gibberish. |
| 17:57.16 | AJKhan | greycat, so I researched and and tried to work around it |
| 17:57.18 | greycat | Standard lenny install. |
| 17:57.23 | AJKhan | hm |
| 17:57.27 | AJKhan | I was rejected unlocking |
| 17:57.37 | AJKhan | so I had to take this route to rebuild with more options |
| 17:57.43 | AJKhan | weird. |
| 17:59.05 | AJKhan | yup without cpasswd it won't let me in to my system I have to go tty1 and kill xlock |
| 17:59.28 | AJKhan | let me try this on sid and probably file a bug report |
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| 18:00.03 | eshat | Hi all,... why does kmail not ask for my gpg passphrase when I want to encrypt an e-mail. Instead I get an error: "Wrong passphrase" |
| 18:01.03 | AJKhan | I'll look into it more later, I have homework and then class today :) |
| 18:01.12 | AJKhan | but I WILL figure this out, sooner or later. |
| 18:01.47 | AJKhan | I was looking through the passwd.c file, the send to pam routine is probably where I should start |
| 18:02.02 | AJKhan | I don't know. My userpassword isn't authenticated in xlock |
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| 18:03.00 | AJKhan | greycat, you said you might write your own little xlocker, if/when you do, kindly let me in on it. I may add stuff or something :) |
| 18:03.11 | AJKhan | or help out. |
| 18:03.15 | greycat | I definitely have shadow password on this account, and xlock is not setuid root or anything. I don't actually know how it authenticates. |
| 18:03.30 | AJKhan | greycat, after school I'll try to research it more |
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| 18:04.27 | greycat | OpenBSD's /usr/X11R6/bin/xlock is setgid auth. |
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| 18:04.50 | greycat | But I don't have the X11 sources installed, so I don't know what it does. |
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| 18:05.03 | AJKhan | you're on obsd atm? |
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| 18:05.09 | AJKhan | hm |
| 18:05.20 | greycat | I'm IRCing from an HP-UX box at work, but it's going through an OpenBSD box (ssh tunneled). |
| 18:05.26 | AJKhan | ahh |
| 18:05.30 | AJKhan | I'm at home :) |
| 18:06.18 | AJKhan | man... I haven't patched any bugs in a looong time. |
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| 18:06.30 | AJKhan | anyway, im going to study, bye bye guys. |
| 18:06.54 | palt_ | Hi! I've just upgraded a server from etch to lenny. And during the process slapd was broken. I've fixed the config and it's up and running again. The problem is that now when I try to run aptitude upgrade it complains about slapd being broken and tries to fix it everytime. |
| 18:07.34 | greycat | How was it broken, and what did you do to fix it? |
| 18:08.43 | palt_ | it didn't want to start after the upgrade, I don't remember the exact message. But it was the cachesize value. I commented out the line at it started again with no complaints |
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| 18:09.11 | palt_ | After what I've read, that value was only for tuning the server. |
| 18:09.37 | Orion_X11 | Hi I have a wireless conection here and can connect using windows. But, when I try to navigate using wicd it finds the dhcp ip, but I cannot navigate. I have faced this problem with open and encrypted wireless network. What could be happening? |
| 18:09.44 | greycat | palt_: and somehow the package is in an unconfigured/broken state? |
| 18:09.54 | palt_ | yes |
| 18:11.56 | palt_ | dpkg: tries to process slapd but error and dies after trying a few more times :S |
| 18:11.56 | dpkg | palt_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 18:12.10 | palt_ | ops :P |
| 18:13.12 | greycat | Awww, someone neutered dpkg. |
| 18:13.22 | beardy | The moron. |
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| 18:14.00 | greycat | palt_: you're going to have to read the error messages and figure out what's wrong |
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| 18:15.44 | overclocker | hi, i've installed debian 5.3 with grub, but when the machine restarts, it don't see the grub, ideas? |
| 18:15.52 | palt_ | greycat: Right, have to beat on dpkg some more then :P |
| 18:16.03 | overclocker | boot order in bios is ok |
| 18:16.05 | greycat | there's a debian 5.3? |
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| 18:16.50 | overclocker | 5.03 |
| 18:16.51 | clearscreen | overclocker: do you have multiple harddisks? if so, are you mixing sata with ide disks? |
| 18:17.00 | overclocker | no, just 1 hd |
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| 18:17.37 | overclocker | i could enter in rescue mode, i could reinstall the grub |
| 18:18.51 | clearscreen | If you're absolutely certain about having correct boot order in the bios I can only suggest to use a livecd, chroot into your permanent install and re-run grub-install |
| 18:19.14 | sphenxes | is it true that someone can hack ssh connection. I was speakin with a friend and he told me of course every connection can be hacked? |
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| 18:20.20 | kornholi | sphenxes: define `hack' |
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| 18:20.22 | blendmaster1024 | i want to remaster knoppix, so i have this debian question: how bad would it be to run lenny with the etch kernel? |
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| 18:20.48 | blendmaster1024 | .... oops i hit enter, end of the world, or just kind of annoying? |
| 18:21.04 | overclocker | i entered in rescue mode, chrooot into my install and run grub-install /dev/sda, but don't work, i've another disk, i plug it and it works |
| 18:21.10 | greycat | Why would you use an older kernel if you're redoing a live CD? |
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| 18:22.00 | blendmaster1024 | greycat, so i don't have to bother with upgrading the initrd, which is what has all the stuff to mount the compressed filesystem. if i don't have to upgrade the kernel, i can leave that alone. |
| 18:22.01 | greycat | There are machines that can't even run on the lenny kernels, let alone the etch ones. |
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| 18:22.20 | blendmaster1024 | well i know that, and i'm fine with it |
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| 18:24.21 | blendmaster1024 | again: will the userspace software from lenny be (mostly) compatible with an etch kernel? |
| 18:24.34 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: they have a liveCD with lenny on it already |
| 18:25.03 | blendmaster1024 | i know that, i want a dvd .... wait, i could make the livecd into a dvd couldn't i? |
| 18:25.12 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 18:25.29 | blendmaster1024 | or are you talking about the debian project's livecd? i specifically want knoppix |
| 18:25.52 | abrotman | then ask them .. how the hell would we know |
| 18:25.56 | AJKhan | so go get noppix |
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| 18:26.13 | blendmaster1024 | i did a half hour ago, they havn;t answered yet |
| 18:26.22 | abrotman | that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 18:26.25 | AJKhan | blendmaster1024, whats the problem with debian live? |
| 18:26.38 | AJKhan | blendmaster1024, why not remaster debian live? |
| 18:26.44 | blendmaster1024 | i know it doesn't, but... oh good grief |
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| 18:27.31 | blendmaster1024 | AJKhan, because i want knoppix because of it's branding/boot coolness. sorry if that's idiotic, i know it's a stupid reason, i just miss the knoppix boot screen |
| 18:27.38 | stdisease | go study AJKhan |
| 18:27.38 | AJKhan | blendmaster1024, no problem! |
| 18:27.43 | AJKhan | debian can do it too! |
| 18:28.00 | palt_ | Looks like the bad upgrade left some cruft in /var/backups that needed to be cleaned up :) |
| 18:28.03 | AJKhan | dpkg, bootspalshes plus fb console plus colorization o messages |
| 18:28.03 | dpkg | AJKhan: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:28.16 | AJKhan | dpkg I didn't adrress you |
| 18:28.16 | dpkg | AJKhan: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:28.16 | blendmaster1024 | goes to #knoppix |
| 18:28.31 | AJKhan | *sigh* |
| 18:28.56 | AJKhan | actually I read something by the sidux people on how to beautify the debian boot process I think |
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| 18:29.14 | AJKhan | I can't remember the article or something, but yeah, it can be done in debian, how easily, I don't konw. |
| 18:29.43 | AJKhan | blendmaster1024, and on top of that, grub bootsplashes/background too |
| 18:29.55 | AJKhan | stdisease, yes sir! ten hut! I'm gone. |
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| 18:30.08 | blendmaster1024 | i know about all of that, i just would rather not bother if knoppix could be made to work more eaisily |
| 18:30.24 | AJKhan | blendmaster1024, then #debian is NOT the right place for you. Good day. |
| 18:30.33 | blendmaster1024 | i said i knew.... argh |
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| 18:32.27 | eshat | Hi all,... why does kmail not ask for my gpg passphrase when I want to encrypt an e-mail. Instead I get an error: "Wrong passphrase" |
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| 18:33.26 | eshat | I mean decrypt |
| 18:34.47 | themill | eshat: testing? sid? |
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| 18:36.10 | AJKhan | themill, you mean kde3 or 4 :) |
| 18:36.28 | AJKhan | testing/sid both have 4 |
| 18:36.41 | themill | judd versions kmail |
| 18:36.41 | judd | themill: kmail -- etch: 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-6 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.9-5 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 sid: 4:4.3.1-2 |
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| 18:37.23 | themill | AJKhan: istr that eshat is running either testing or sid (and I know this works flawlessly under lenny). There's also a bug in the bts about this... but the behaviour is version dependent. |
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| 18:37.47 | AJKhan | oh I see, I was no aware of that |
| 18:38.10 | AJKhan | themill, I don't use kmail so I didn't know kde3/kmail worked fine. |
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| 18:39.03 | themill | !dbugs 523354 |
| 18:39.07 | dpkg | #523354:I[kmail] kmail: does not prompt for passphrase when attempting to sign messages (); Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:24:02 UTC [] |
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| 18:40.15 | njk- | hmmm |
| 18:40.35 | eshat | themill: sid |
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| 18:41.16 | njk- | silly question.... i am trying to delete some dirs by doing the following: "ls -ld dirs* | head -n10 | awk '{ print $8 }' | xargs rm -rf |
| 18:41.20 | themill | eshat: ^^ check that bug then. |
| 18:41.22 | njk- | but it's not working |
| 18:41.38 | themill | njk-: that's the sort of script that makes baby greycat's cry |
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| 18:41.59 | njk- | themill, really? why is that? |
| 18:42.16 | njk- | i just want to delete the first n dirs in a sequence |
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| 18:42.45 | Viss | bit of an emergency. A server I run rebooted. It currently hosts all my email. After it rebooted I noticed EVERYTHING in my home directory is now gone, and I see symlinks to ecryptfs. |
| 18:42.59 | Viss | how to i remove ecryptfs and was my home directory deleted? |
| 18:43.13 | themill | njk-: parsing the output of ls is a horrible thing to do. Parsing ls -l is even worse. |
| 18:43.17 | Viss | or is there something just mounted over it? (its not showing that when I issue the mount command) |
| 18:43.45 | njk- | themill, hmm.... how would you recommend i go about this? |
| 18:43.47 | greycat | njk-: themill: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 18:44.05 | AJKhan | lok |
| 18:44.12 | AJKhan | lol, this cat has everything there |
| 18:44.17 | AJKhan | clicks |
| 18:44.27 | themill | greycat: thanks ;) saves me from typing the rest of that out :) |
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| 18:44.42 | njk- | thanks |
| 18:45.04 | njk- | oh wow.... what was i thinking |
| 18:45.10 | njk- | (or not thinking) :-) |
| 18:45.14 | themill | njk-: the best way is probably with find /msg dpkg using find ; but if you can promise there are no funny characters in the filenames, then you could get away with ls -1... but it will bite you one day if you do that.... |
| 18:45.53 | njk- | right, i see that now... i wasn't thinking about that in this case since my dirs all have a pattern to their name |
| 18:46.01 | njk- | but i see that this is dangerous :-) |
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| 18:46.16 | njk- | well, potentially dangerous if you cannot guarantee |
| 18:46.29 | AJKhan | greycat, there is a great deal I can learn from your wiki. Thanks for the stuff there bro |
| 18:46.34 | njk- | in this case, i can guarantee that there are no funny/special chars in the dir names |
| 18:46.54 | AJKhan | greycat, do you have a blog or something? |
| 18:47.01 | greycat | no |
| 18:47.08 | njk- | i am not looking to script this necessarily.... just wanted an fast and efficient way to do this from the shell |
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| 18:48.01 | njk- | so assuming that there are no funny/special chars in the dir names, what could i do with ls and xargs to remove those dirs? |
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| 18:48.19 | njk- | i am man'ing xargs now, but don't see any problem with my usage |
| 18:48.32 | greycat | njk-: What are you removing? |
| 18:48.42 | njk- | greycat: directories |
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| 18:48.48 | greycat | How do you know which ones? |
| 18:48.49 | e-head | I got blocked by my sshd because of too many failed login attempts. How do I unblock myself? |
| 18:49.14 | njk- | i have a sequence of dirs with a timestamp in the file name... i am looking to remove the first n dirs in the sequence |
| 18:49.15 | beardy | e-head: Wait. |
| 18:49.39 | greycat | njk-: so you need to get a list of all the possible directories, sort them, and then remove the first N from the sorted list? |
| 18:49.48 | greycat | sounds hard. |
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| 18:49.53 | e-head | beardy: how long of a wait? It's been like 4 hours. |
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| 18:50.04 | njk- | greycat: something like " ls -ld dirs* | head -n10 | awk '{ print $8 }' | xargs rm -rf " |
| 18:50.06 | beardy | e-head: If waiting doesn't help, you should remember what you install and configure to stop people like yourself. |
| 18:50.16 | e-head | ;) |
| 18:50.19 | Viss | Anyone in here an ecryptfs person? |
| 18:50.20 | e-head | isnt't that the truth! |
| 18:50.37 | greycat | So they're all in one location already? You don't have to recurse to get to them? That does simplify it a bit. |
| 18:50.41 | e-head | Any hints or help? I can't figure out what the heck is doing the blocking. |
| 18:50.50 | njk- | yes, all in one location |
| 18:50.58 | greycat | njk-: I don't understand why you're using "ls -l" here. |
| 18:51.00 | beardy | e-head: Iptables? |
| 18:51.03 | e-head | Would it be something in my pam set up? I looked around and couldn't find anything. |
| 18:51.11 | e-head | No. I don't think that's it. |
| 18:51.18 | njk- | greycat: what do you recommend? |
| 18:51.23 | greycat | njk-: printf "%s\n" dirs* | head -n10 | awk ... |
| 18:51.41 | greycat | You don't WANT the "ls -l" fields, so why mess with them? |
| 18:51.44 | njk- | ls will sort them by date because i have a time stamp in the dir name... that's why i was initially using ls |
| 18:51.58 | greycat | dirs* is sorted by the shell already. |
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| 18:52.12 | e-head | I wonder if rebooting would help. |
| 18:52.20 | e-head | I hate to do that though. |
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| 18:52.21 | greycat | even if it wasn't, you could've used "ls -d dirs*" and skipped the -l and the subsequent parsing. |
| 18:52.33 | njk- | so i don't need awk then |
| 18:52.38 | greycat | right |
| 18:52.46 | njk- | i was using awk to get just the dir name |
| 18:52.47 | njk- | ok |
| 18:52.53 | njk- | so you recommend using printf |
| 18:52.56 | njk- | cool |
| 18:53.30 | beardy | e-head: You are logged in? |
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| 18:53.43 | greycat | A newbie would probably just use "ls -d dirs*" and it would work 99.9% of the time. |
| 18:54.03 | njk- | so: printf "%s\n" dir* | head -n10 | xargs rm -rf |
| 18:54.06 | greycat | In fact, it's hard to think of a case that would break "ls -d dirs*" but not also break "printf '%s\n' dirs*" |
| 18:54.09 | AJKhan | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/GreyCat/CompilingBad <- this is EXACTLY what I had to say about IONCUBE (I'm into PHP these days) |
| 18:54.09 | njk- | i was using ls -ld actually.... forgot to include that |
| 18:54.17 | e-head | beardy: yes |
| 18:54.17 | beardy | e-head: Well, restart sshd only then.. do you have fail2ban or simillar installed? |
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| 18:54.21 | Xeptor | hi, did anyone try mongodb on debian? |
| 18:54.26 | e-head | I had to go through a different router at work. |
| 18:54.43 | greycat | njk-: the xargs part will break on dirs that contain whitespace or single or double quotes. |
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| 18:55.20 | njk- | greycat, understood... in this case i can guarantee that isn't going to happen |
| 18:55.34 | beardy | e-head: Well, then it's because you have fail2ban, remobe yourself from it's database. Or the iptables rule it put up to block you. |
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| 18:56.17 | AJKhan | someone came into #debian on OFTC, asking about how to install a zend extention, I was like ok, let me help, and then he asked about ioncube, and I knew what it was... dude... I dunno... it just pissed me off |
| 18:56.21 | AJKhan | I don't know why. |
| 18:56.28 | njk- | greycat: many thanks for the guidance :-) |
| 18:56.57 | e-head | beardy: I just checked sshd_config and it says to use PAM authentication. I checked the pam sshd file and it doesn't look like anything fancy. |
| 18:57.08 | AJKhan | I was like man, gtfo, I don't suppose code hiding encrypting bullshits. |
| 18:57.08 | e-head | Could something be operating outside of PAM? |
| 18:57.13 | AJKhan | support* |
| 18:57.16 | beardy | e-head: No. Read what I said? |
| 18:57.31 | AJKhan | and if you need speed, just install php-apc |
| 18:57.39 | e-head | Yeah, I don't think I'm using that fail2ban software, but maybe I am. |
| 18:57.48 | e-head | Would it create a file in the /etc directory? |
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| 18:58.16 | beardy | e-head: AFAIK pam would only block you for 10 minutes or so, not 4 hours atleast. |
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| 18:58.34 | e-head | yeah. that's would I would think. |
| 18:58.55 | cantoma | is there any program that compares two files with a GUI? |
| 18:58.57 | beardy | e-head: But what exactly happens, or isn't happening? Do you get a login prompt at all, or not? |
| 18:59.03 | e-head | I read over the sshd-config file and didn't see any reference to another security/authentication suite. Just PAM. |
| 18:59.09 | AJKhan | cantoma, I use compare |
| 18:59.11 | e-head | No login prompt at all. |
| 18:59.16 | AJKhan | cantoma, there maybe other GUI frontends for diff |
| 18:59.20 | e-head | Putty says something about an error. |
| 18:59.25 | AJKhan | cantoma, aptitude search ~ddiff |
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| 18:59.35 | beardy | e-head: Can you ping the machine from where you get no login prompt? |
| 18:59.39 | e-head | let me check the auth log. |
| 18:59.43 | AJKhan | s/compare/kompare |
| 18:59.52 | beardy | e-head: The logs would surely say yes.. |
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| 19:01.32 | e-head | let's see... found this in /var/log/auth.log: Sep 10 14:43:19 tokyo sshd[13375]: refused connect from 66.200.17.201 |
| 19:01.50 | greycat | sounds like TCP wrappers...? |
| 19:01.59 | greycat | or something in sshd itself. |
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| 19:03.38 | e-head | looks like I got banned around 10:20 this morning. |
| 19:03.45 | e-head | I got this: Sep 10 10:18:29 tokyo sshd[11623]: PAM 1 more authentication failure; |
| 19:04.18 | e-head | then when I attempted to connect again I get: Sep 10 10:24:14 tokyo sshd[11666]: refused connect from 66.200... |
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| 19:04.38 | e-head | been banned every since. about 5 hours ago. |
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| 19:04.47 | e-head | looks like it's PAM too. |
| 19:05.14 | stdisease | Contact 'them' |
| 19:06.13 | simonrvn | probably /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 19:09.30 | km | is multicast enable by default or can i check to see if multicast is enable on my eth0? |
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| 19:10.21 | DogWater | If apache2 starts and then immediately dies without any input what can you do to troubleshoot that? |
| 19:10.48 | greycat | read the logs (/var/log/apache2/* I think) |
| 19:10.57 | DogWater | right, no output what-so-ever |
| 19:11.05 | abrotman | /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 19:11.06 | DogWater | logs included |
| 19:11.19 | km | netstat -rn does not show the multicase address |
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| 19:12.48 | greycat | DogWater: in that case, I have to believe it never started in the first place. |
| 19:12.57 | greycat | DogWater: try "sh -x /etc/init.d/apache2 start" |
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| 19:13.42 | DogWater | that says 'failed' but when I do apache2 -e debug all it says is 'loaded module' a bunch of times and then exits |
| 19:14.11 | greycat | it had better say a lot more than 'failed' |
| 19:14.23 | DogWater | yes, the result is failed, it says quite a bit more |
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| 19:14.40 | greycat | the result of what? what command says that? |
| 19:14.55 | e-head | beardy: I have this program "denyhosts" installed apparently. |
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| 19:15.10 | e-head | Just had to remove my line from /etc/hosts.deny. ;) |
| 19:15.23 | e-head | thanks for the help/suggestions. |
| 19:15.28 | viask | hi, does anybody know a good free network traffic generator? |
| 19:15.42 | karme | km: do you mean ethernet multicast? or maybe ip v4 broadcast? or ipv6 multicast? |
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| 19:16.10 | pbn | Hello, I am running testing, and there is a nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 but no nvidia-kernel for my current inarry kernel, 2.6.30-1-686 ... is t his normal... am I doing it wrong ? |
| 19:16.11 | km | ethernet multicast |
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| 19:16.28 | km | i think |
| 19:16.29 | DogWater | greycat: it sets the environment then runs /usr/sbin/apache2ctl start, then echo failed, return 1 |
| 19:16.47 | DogWater | nothing is returned from apache indicating why it failed. |
| 19:16.52 | km | i need to use 228.0.0.4 multicast address for clustering |
| 19:16.54 | viask | i want to simulate different network protocols like, http, ftp, sip, etc for a firewall stress test |
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| 19:17.31 | karme | km: 228.0.0.4 is not an ethernet address |
| 19:17.46 | km | what is that? |
| 19:18.32 | ajavid | justin, I just restarted the computer for no apparant reason at all, and a minimal dualhead.sh was launched. xrandr --output DVI-1 --off; xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --left-of DVI-0; No more problems, just had to move the monitors around, lol. |
| 19:18.33 | greycat | DogWater: you may have to ask #httpd, then. |
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| 19:18.50 | karme | km: it is probably a ipv4 multicast address |
| 19:18.51 | Viss | Anyone in here an ecryptfs person? |
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| 19:19.11 | viask | hi, does anybody know a good free network traffic generator? |
| 19:19.20 | Viss | My server rebooted, and turned on ecryptfs, which moved all the contents of ~ to ~/.Private - and I have no idea how to get it back |
| 19:19.30 | pbn | viask: amule :> |
| 19:19.41 | km | i need to use multicast address 228.0.0.4 see http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/cluster-howto.html |
| 19:19.59 | Tux^verdreifelt | pbn: lol |
| 19:20.04 | viask | lol, not the traffic i intended to generate ;-) |
| 19:20.13 | km | i am not sure if i need to enable this on the network to make it works |
| 19:20.13 | pbn | viask: heh :) |
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| 19:21.13 | kmq | uhm. you guys: Why would my computer stop booting mid-initrd and when I press a key the numlock light flashes ? |
| 19:21.36 | kmq | it's not the kernel-panic kind of flashing |
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| 19:21.43 | kmq | just everytime I type something |
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| 19:23.15 | karme | km: by default ipv4 multicast traffic is not routed - see also aptitude search multicast |
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| 19:23.55 | km | how can i setup up the route |
| 19:24.22 | viask | i´m looking for a traffic network generator, possibly with measurement options like ixchariot from ixia. any ideas? http://www.ixiacom.com/products/ixchariot/index.php |
| 19:24.24 | km | route add 228.0.0.4 gw x.x.x.x dev eth0 ? |
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| 19:24.43 | viask | and free of course ;-) |
| 19:25.13 | greycat | km: a more permanent way is to edit /etc/network/interfaces and then "ifup eth0" |
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| 19:27.22 | karme | km: maybe a bit old but anyway: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Multicast-HOWTO.html |
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| 19:31.32 | km | looks like i just need to do "route add -host 228.0.0.4 dev eth0" http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Clustering#Q10 |
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| 19:33.29 | clearscreen | can I still get find to spit out the filename when supplying -name (and also -exec) parameters? |
| 19:33.41 | clearscreen | reason being is that i'm doing something like this: find ./webdocs -name *.php -exec cat {} \; | grep 3312 |
| 19:33.55 | clearscreen | and I'd like to know which files |
| 19:34.22 | sash_ | does any debian testing user who also uses a tiling wm have the problem, that ^C doesnt work in terminal-emulator since bash-update to v4 a few days ago? is there a workaround? |
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| 19:40.36 | dutchfish | sash_, i havent this problem, even after updating (squeeze amd64, squeeze i386) |
| 19:41.11 | sash_ | dutchfish: you use a tiling wm like awesome, ion3, dwm? |
| 19:41.51 | wildc4rd_ | evenin' all |
| 19:42.04 | dutchfish | sash_, no, i testes with console, kdm (KDE), gdm-emulate, gdm (gnome) |
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| 19:43.23 | sash_ | dutchfish: try this: start the terminal-emulator and maximize the window immediately, please ^^ |
| 19:43.49 | dutchfish | sash_, which one? |
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| 19:44.11 | sash_ | the terminal window |
| 19:44.26 | dutchfish | sash_, konsole, xtem ? |
| 19:44.33 | dutchfish | s/xtem/xterm |
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| 19:44.39 | sash_ | xterm, terminator, whatever ^^ |
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| 19:45.09 | dutchfish | sash_, no problems with xterm, konsole |
| 19:45.17 | Viss | Nobody in here does ecryptfs at all? |
| 19:46.33 | dutchfish | sash_, have you setup key-bindings correclty, and what locale are you using? |
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| 19:47.46 | sash_ | keybindings should be ok, locale is de_DE.utf-8, nodeadkeys. it is this bug: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.bash.bug/browse_thread/thread/f1729727b17a6dd6/8fb77fe31705fabb, will show a screenshot now. |
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| 19:48.38 | sash_ | http://www.abload.de/img/bildtjf6.png |
| 19:49.45 | dutchfish | sash_, what kernel are you running? |
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| 19:50.07 | dutchfish | sash_, stcok form squeeze 2.6.30-x? |
| 19:50.15 | dutchfish | s/stcok/stock |
| 19:50.20 | sash_ | dutchfish: 2.6.30-1 |
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| 19:50.33 | dutchfish | sash_, and you have 32 bit yes? |
| 19:50.41 | sash_ | right |
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| 19:50.47 | sash_ | its an eee-pc ;) |
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| 19:51.06 | dutchfish | sash_, i have found issues in this 32 bit kernel that might be related to timing |
| 19:51.38 | infantejg | buenas como hago para poner como predeterminado el gxine como reproductor por defecto de archs multimedia? |
| 19:51.41 | dutchfish | sash_, i am inverstigating it, after install 2.6.31-rc9 it was over |
| 19:51.49 | sash_ | dutchfish: i have the problem since this bash-update |
| 19:52.06 | dutchfish | sash_, any logs? |
| 19:52.08 | sash_ | and it is doesnt occur in tty, btw |
| 19:52.18 | dutchfish | sash_, ah ok |
| 19:52.21 | km | how can verify multicast 228.0.0.4 is working |
| 19:52.21 | arand | Are there no good way to report a bug in debian using a web interface? (my debian box cannot access the internet{although that is not the bug}) |
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| 19:52.51 | sash_ | dutchfish: did you look at my screenshot? you can see, that ^C is sended. but not as sigint, thats my problem |
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| 19:53.01 | km | i did a ping 224.0.0.1, it returns two addresses |
| 19:53.07 | dutchfish | sash_, yes, i hear you, mmmmm |
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| 19:54.21 | dutchfish | sash_, inded and there is a patch for it http://gnu--bash--bug.googlegroups.com/attach/7a2a04be410e0b9f/redisplay-sigwinch?view=1&part=2 |
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| 19:55.20 | cire | I have debian lenny with a samsung laptop. ifconfig tells me wlan0+wmaster0 is present, but knetworkmanager tells me no device found. Any suggestions? |
| 19:55.35 | cire | (atheros wlan card with ath5k module loaded) |
| 19:56.03 | dutchfish | sash_, either you patch it yourself or wait for the update in the debian repo |
| 19:56.38 | dutchfish | sash_, still weird that i didnt found it ... but still |
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| 19:56.51 | infantejg | how can i setup gxine how my aplication for default for multimedia files??? |
| 19:57.00 | sash_ | well, thanks. i know, it is a little embarassing, but i dont really know, what to do with that. do i have to recompile the whole bash4 or just gcc this file and run it? |
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| 19:57.36 | sash_ | dutchfish: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.bash.bug/browse_thread/thread/f1729727b17a6dd6/8fb77fe31705fabb <- just happens in tiling wms because of SIGWINCH, that usually isnt sent to windows in floating wm |
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| 19:58.12 | sash_ | i think, i will just wait for the update. hope, it will come the next days. |
| 19:58.50 | dutchfish | sash_, if the maintainer picks the patch up that is, yes |
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| 20:01.02 | dutchfish | sash_, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544087 |
| 20:01.46 | sash_ | dutchfish: nice, thanks. i thought, there wouldnt be an official bugreport. will read it now ;) |
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| 20:02.06 | dutchfish | sash_, you could reply and link http://gnu--bash--bug.googlegroups.com/attach/7a2a04be410e0b9f/redisplay-sigwinch?view=1&part=2 |
| 20:02.27 | dutchfish | sash_, thanks for reporting |
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| 20:06.14 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:10.29 | DexterF | hi |
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| 20:14.53 | TrueDD | hi DexterF |
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| 20:17.15 | charli | Saludos. |
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| 20:21.32 | timid | hello, Anybody help me with openvpn server to x-servers ? I Already search in google and dont get about this |
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| 20:22.00 | raz0 | timid, just ask your question |
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| 20:22.29 | timid | how to ? I try any metods, and not working.. |
| 20:22.34 | timid | but* |
| 20:23.02 | timid | i'm read documentation from openvpn website |
| 20:23.35 | karme | timid: openvpn is just encrypted virtual network and as such has nothing to do with x |
| 20:23.51 | karme | timid: of course you can do x11 forwarding via a openvpn network |
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| 20:25.29 | timid | karme: sorry, i dont explain correctly, server to x-server == main server to second server and anorther server , and other... ( this servers are gateways from LAN ) |
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| 20:27.55 | xeon-enouf | timid: i learned sometime along the way to _not_ refer to X as Server/Client (since there are many possible combinations) but to think/say about the Xserver as (running on the machine that's) controlling the hardware (keys, mouse,video) |
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| 20:29.22 | ranix | timid: I had the same problem enouf did when I was first learning about X. The Xserver is the system with the console (monitor, keyboard, mouse) and the clients are the individual programs requesting windowing and displays |
| 20:29.46 | xeon-enouf | timid: it also helps (when more than 1 PC is/are involved) to talk about; pc1 pc2 ... or pcA pcB ..etc |
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| 20:30.05 | timid | ;/ |
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| 20:30.43 | xeon-enouf | timid: "server to x-server == main server to second server" <-- is jibberish to me |
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| 20:30.52 | km | is thread dump and core dump are the same? |
| 20:31.52 | xeon-enouf | well .. just from their names .. no |
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| 20:33.04 | verblendet | where is the fortunes binary and files located? |
| 20:33.38 | xeon-enouf | a thread is an instance of a process, that software has sliced into threads .. but still the same process; while 'core' would seem to mean kernel only |
| 20:33.46 | ranix | km: thread dump sounds like a dump of ram for one particular thread that you can then perform a stack trace on. A core dump would be all the memory of the entire program |
| 20:33.48 | greycat | verblendet: package 'fortune-mod' |
| 20:33.51 | xeon-enouf | fortunes? |
| 20:33.59 | karme | timid: man openvpn - especially take a look at the examples section |
| 20:34.05 | xeon-enouf | !8ball what's ranix 's fortune? |
| 20:34.05 | dpkg | Unsure. |
| 20:34.09 | greycat | verblendet: also see 'apt-cache search fortune' |
| 20:34.21 | verblendet | fortune fortunes fortune-mod dont provide the binary |
| 20:34.36 | karme | timid: as far as i remember there also where some good tutorials / docus and there is a faq |
| 20:34.40 | verblendet | i did aptitude search fortune and these three packages are installed, also fortunes-de |
| 20:34.45 | karme | ~s/where/were |
| 20:34.50 | greycat | verblendet: fortune-mod provides /usr/games/fortune |
| 20:35.00 | km | what tool can i use to analyize core dump file to see why the app server hangs |
| 20:35.02 | verblendet | oh its n games... ic |
| 20:35.07 | ranix | km: gdb |
| 20:35.08 | Pryon | km: gdb |
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| 20:35.18 | xeon-enouf | km: the kernel is always in memory, it cannot be swapped, just a FWIW |
| 20:35.21 | ranix | gives Pyron a big high-five! |
| 20:35.23 | verblendet | thx greycat |
| 20:35.34 | xeon-enouf | km: try gdb |
| 20:35.47 | Pryon | ranix: beaten like...like...a thing that gets a lot of beatings |
| 20:35.59 | xeon-enouf | is late- cause this keyboard sucks! |
| 20:36.00 | km | i guess if have the core dump i don't need to do a thread dump? |
| 20:36.15 | ranix | km: it might be tough as nails to find out what's going on from the core dump |
| 20:36.24 | xeon-enouf | km: does core show threaded processes? |
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| 20:36.36 | km | don't know |
| 20:36.39 | ranix | if you can isolate it to a particular thread use the thread dump |
| 20:36.44 | ranix | what are you using, java? |
| 20:36.56 | xeon-enouf | well, find out - if not, then there's a usage situation for thread dump |
| 20:37.16 | km | tomcat6.0.18 with bmi jre 1.6, it hangs |
| 20:37.16 | ranix | I'm not familiar with other languages that have thread dumping as a feature |
| 20:37.22 | km | ibm |
| 20:37.24 | verblendet | omg, 10000 symlinks now in usr/games to different fortunes ..... |
| 20:37.42 | arand | I'm trying to report a debian bug using email. How do I add an upstream link? specific method or just add alin with a comment? |
| 20:37.49 | xeon-enouf | km: you're being very vague ... :- |
| 20:37.51 | verblendet | better deinstall the -de fortunes, its crap |
| 20:37.52 | ranix | km: you need to have the problem somewhat narrowed down before a stack track is going to help |
| 20:38.10 | km | like? |
| 20:38.19 | xeon-enouf | arand: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:38.27 | ranix | like "it fails when I do this" |
| 20:38.40 | ranix | not "it failed, time for a stack trace" |
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| 20:39.14 | xeon-enouf | arand: "How do I add an upstream link sound like you want to add a URL? |
| 20:39.30 | xeon-enouf | stupid keyboard |
| 20:39.46 | xeon-enouf | km: /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:40.15 | km | Tomcat container just stops responding. It appears many threads are blocked. I am trying to determine why this would happen. |
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| 20:40.21 | xeon-enouf | !version |
| 20:40.21 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 20:40.21 | w0rmh0le | I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg |
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| 20:40.52 | arand | xeon-enouf: yes, but does it the debian bug tracker handle upstream bug links specifically. |
| 20:41.00 | arand | *? |
| 20:41.04 | Knight_Lord | Hi. I have lines in my NAT table that look like this "SNAT 0 -- 192.168.2.0/24 anywhere to:130.238.41.194". Does this mean all IPs in the 192.168.2 network get mapped out to 130.238.41.194 on the way out? |
| 20:41.30 | xeon-enouf | arand: the debian maintainer is responsible for whatever occurs "upstream" |
| 20:41.58 | xeon-enouf | (as far as it's debian rendition goes) |
| 20:42.06 | arand | xeon-enouf: yes, but the bug is already present upstream... |
| 20:42.19 | xeon-enouf | arand: is it present in BTS? |
| 20:42.27 | km | ranix: any ideas? |
| 20:42.42 | ranix | sorry, km, I have no experience with tomcat |
| 20:42.48 | arand | xeon-enouf: in glib2 on gnome bugzilla. |
| 20:43.00 | ranix | I'm not big on enterprise-level applications |
| 20:43.01 | xeon-enouf | arand: usually, if reported upstream only, a new release is given eventually fromupstream, and adopted via debian |
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| 20:43.38 | xeon-enouf | Knight_Lord: ask ##networking |
| 20:44.00 | verblendet | hmmm, is there a bug in rsyslog? if i set up a new facility in rsyslog.conf it works, but it works not in rsyslog.d/facilityname e.g., someone has same problem? |
| 20:44.06 | arand | xeon-enouf: But this is something which might be a security issue, and hence be adressed in current releases? |
| 20:44.28 | verblendet | the deocu recommmends rsyslog.d, but if i put my rule there its not getting parsed |
| 20:46.18 | xeon-enouf | arand: if it's legit, i'm sure the debian-security mailing list would love to hear about it |
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| 20:46.45 | deadbeef | hey guys, some nice way to have a list of all network shares using samba on my lan? |
| 20:46.48 | deadbeef | samba or cifs in general |
| 20:47.01 | xeon-enouf | smbmount -l ? |
| 20:47.19 | deadbeef | ok, apt-getting :) |
| 20:47.21 | deadbeef | thanks :D |
| 20:47.23 | xeon-enouf | showmount? |
| 20:47.34 | deadbeef | # showmount |
| 20:47.34 | deadbeef | clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered |
| 20:47.41 | deadbeef | i think it's for NFS |
| 20:48.02 | xeon-enouf | right -- sorry |
| 20:48.05 | verblendet | smbclient -L , iirc |
| 20:48.19 | arand | xeon-enouf: Upstream has already commited a patch, and we've already applied it in ubuntu. My current mission is raising awareness of it as a potential security issue in other distros (basically every one using glib2), so a mail to the devel mailing list would be the best cause of action? |
| 20:48.22 | verblendet | will do the same i guess, list all shares of a host e.g. |
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| 20:49.04 | deadbeef | ok, thanks a lot guys :) |
| 20:49.06 | deadbeef | bye! |
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| 20:49.37 | xeon-enouf | arand: you'll notice a) ubuntu doesn't help upstream nearly as much as Debian et al , since they take/pull _from_ debian |
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| 20:49.56 | arand | xeon-enouf: btw this is the thing: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593406 |
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| 20:50.19 | xeon-enouf | arand: never heard of glib2 - awareness is good! |
| 20:50.44 | arand | xeon-enouf: It manifests itself in nautilus |
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| 20:51.30 | xeon-enouf | well, sure, anything using a "Registry" is going to have serious bugs - ask redmond ;-) |
| 20:51.52 | phobos_anomaly | lol |
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| 20:53.08 | xeon-enouf | loves ripping out sections of hives, using a cleaver! whenever i have to deal with redmondpoop |
| 20:53.08 | themill | hands xeon-enouf 1000s of config files all in different formats so that each program has to have its own read-in routines |
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| 20:53.57 | xeon-enouf | themill: just do away with the 'alteratives' subsystem ... and i'm happy |
| 20:54.27 | xeon-enouf | er alternatives* |
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| 20:55.29 | xeon-enouf | update-ANY_FUCKEN-THING is way too much to type (just a minor peeve, not the real issue) |
| 20:55.59 | xeon-enouf | update-dlocatedb is worthy |
| 20:56.40 | xeon-enouf | dl[tab][tab] works wonderfully with root privs |
| 20:56.42 | themill | xeon-enouf: in the time you spent typing that, you could have defined yourself aliases for them |
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| 20:58.58 | xeon-enouf | themill: you're kidding, right? |
| 20:58.59 | xeon-enouf | $ ll /usr/share/man/man8/update* | wc -l |
| 20:58.59 | xeon-enouf | 38 |
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| 20:59.56 | cambazz | hello. i am trying to install some packages with dpkg -i, but i got a circular dependency problem |
| 20:59.59 | vxdscn | Hello, I looking for sugguestions on Debian security centric programming project ? |
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| 21:00.05 | cambazz | one package needs one, and the other the first |
| 21:00.05 | xeon-enouf | themill: not to mention the 'update' system isn't available for important shit, like GCC versioell choices |
| 21:00.11 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 21:00.14 | dondelelcaro | cambazz: install them both at the same time |
| 21:00.20 | themill | xeon-enouf: that's intentional |
| 21:00.25 | xeon-enouf | themill: GCC versions and Shell choices |
| 21:00.30 | xeon-enouf | themill: no shit |
| 21:00.34 | xeon-enouf | themill: it's stupid |
| 21:00.36 | jelly-home | shell choices? |
| 21:00.39 | jelly-home | chsh |
| 21:00.40 | gravity | vxdscn: The SELinux Debian folk seem to be interested in help |
| 21:00.43 | themill | dpkg: tell xeon-enouf about enter |
| 21:00.49 | stdisease | yeah no alternatives for gcc, sucks |
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| 21:01.05 | xeon-enouf | themill: now you're starting to be annoying.. sorry |
| 21:01.15 | dondelelcaro | if you want to use a different gcc as the default, set CC. Any sane makefile allows you to choose. |
| 21:01.25 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: not really, if you know what you're doing |
| 21:01.26 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like you can't divert /usr/bin/gcc too) |
| 21:01.37 | stdisease | xeon-enouf, well apparently I dont |
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| 21:01.50 | stdisease | I have to link manually to newer gcc |
| 21:01.57 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: diversions are quite a hack |
| 21:02.04 | jelly-home | local ones, at least |
| 21:02.18 | cambazz | dondelelcaro: and would I install them by saying dpkg -i *.deb |
| 21:02.18 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: i'm playing a devil'sadvocate as a wintendo-weenie, that just found Debian |
| 21:02.19 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: not really; it's how you decide that you want a different local copy of a file |
| 21:02.22 | cambazz | or list of names |
| 21:02.40 | sash_ | well. i use debian but i hate iceweasel and prefer firefox. i installed it to /opt and have no problems using it. now, there is 3.5.3, i installed 3.5.2. is there a way to auto-update it without reinstall? |
| 21:03.18 | xeon-enouf | stdisease: no matter how much we might disagree .. i still appreciate your help with lpr earlier ;-) |
| 21:03.41 | xeon-enouf | sash_: IW == FF |
| 21:03.42 | dondelelcaro | sash_: #firefox would be able to help you |
| 21:03.50 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: sure, one can override any file in the distro, but that's just preventing dpkg from doing overwrites, it's not that anything is managed by the distro (unlike misc. update-* stuff) |
| 21:04.07 | sash_ | xeon-enouf: iw 3.0.x != firefox 3.5.x |
| 21:04.12 | stdisease | IW = ~FF |
| 21:04.15 | sash_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 21:04.29 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: sure; the update-*; stuff is totally different. I'm just talking about gcc here. |
| 21:04.30 | xeon-enouf | sash_: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090820 Iceweasel/3.5.2 (Debian-3.5.2-1) |
| 21:04.43 | jelly-home | sash_: if you installed it with your username and permission, its own update mechanism should work |
| 21:04.48 | xeon-enouf | sash_: that's debian IW |
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| 21:05.20 | sash_ | xeon-enouf: in my debian (testing), it isnt 3.5.x |
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| 21:05.53 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: /usr/bin/gcc is just a symlink, so why no update-alternatives choice? |
| 21:05.57 | jelly-home | sash_: xeon-enouf is using a package from the experimental repo (not for the faint hearted) |
| 21:06.05 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 21:06.06 | judd | jelly-home: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.12-1 squeeze: 3.0.12-1 experimental: 3.5.2-1 |
| 21:06.07 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 21:06.27 | xeon-enouf | sash_: ifyou know your shit, it's not an issue |
| 21:07.11 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: same for /bin/sh ... |
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| 21:08.51 | jelly-home | xeon-enouf: if he knew his shit, he wouldn't be asking in here |
| 21:09.03 | xeon-enouf | sash_: do you know the major diffs between testing and unstable? |
| 21:09.28 | xeon-enouf | jelly-home: that wasn't my point ;-) |
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| 21:10.46 | sash_ | xeon-enouf: testing is a little more actual than stable, unstable is active development? |
| 21:10.52 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: /bin/sh can't use update-alternatives, because having /bin/sh not pointing at a symlink would be really bad. |
| 21:11.01 | sash_ | found it in firefox-menu btw. just have been blind |
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| 21:11.12 | xeon-enouf | sash_: wrong ; /msg dpkg releases |
| 21:11.22 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: cc doesn't need to have them, because everything where it matters, you specify using CC or GCC or similar. |
| 21:11.40 | dondelelcaro | s/symlink/shell/ |
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| 21:12.07 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: wait, what? having /bin/sh _not_ being a symlink would break sysv init badly? |
| 21:12.46 | jelly-home | sash_: anyway, standard firefox update feature worked here for 3.5.2 -> 3.5.3 on an i386 testing machine |
| 21:13.06 | jelly-home | sash_: Help -> Check for updates |
| 21:13.08 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: no. the dance that update-alternatives does to change what /bin/sh points at would cause problems if /bin/sh didn't point at a shell. |
| 21:13.12 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: your CC/gcc comment makes no sense , though i _do_ understand build environemnts |
| 21:13.15 | sash_ | jelly-home: yes, i found it, too... |
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| 21:13.34 | themill | xeon-enouf: there's quite a detailed discussion of /bin/sh on the debian-devel list about a month ago. |
| 21:13.34 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: if you want to use a different gcc than the default, you set CC. |
| 21:13.41 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: how about just pointing to various shells? |
| 21:13.56 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: you're free to point what shell it points at, but there's little point. |
| 21:14.02 | jelly-home | sash_: it's just less hassle than using iceweasel |
| 21:14.05 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: i know that .. but why cant u-a handle that? |
| 21:14.25 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: because u-a doesn't guarantee that /bin/sh points at a shell at all times. |
| 21:14.29 | xeon-enouf | themill: ok |
| 21:14.49 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: well .. make it ;-) |
| 21:14.59 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: it's very much non-trivial. |
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| 21:15.17 | themill | looks forward to seeing the patches from xeon-enouf to do that |
| 21:15.18 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: what's to keep "x-window-manager" from pointing to some weird binary? |
| 21:15.22 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: and frankly, it's not needed. There's no real alternatives for /bin/sh anyway. it's either bash or dash |
| 21:15.38 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: or zsh .. or ksh .. or .. |
| 21:15.42 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: the problem is that, at some point in the middle of update-alternatives, /bin/sh might not point to anything |
| 21:15.52 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: if that happens, you can repair your system. if /bin/sh isn't connected, your system will break utterly. |
| 21:16.19 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: zsh and ksh are interactive shells. You change them using chsh |
| 21:16.45 | xeon-enouf | bash/dash aren't interactive? |
| 21:16.59 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: there might be reasons to use ksh93 over dash for /bin/sh, though... it can be faster than dash for long-running scripts |
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| 21:17.27 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: /bin/sh isn't the interactive shell. |
| 21:17.40 | xeon-enouf | ofcourse not, it's a symlink! |
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| 21:18.02 | dkay | hello, i am searching for an etehernetcard driver for my intel network 10/100 card fpr debian x86_64 |
| 21:18.07 | xeon-enouf | it usually pointed to? a bourne shell |
| 21:18.10 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: uh... /bin/sh is the default shell for shell scripts which require a POSIX shell as modified by policy. |
| 21:18.13 | sash_ | xeon-enouf: well. what, in your opinion then is the major difference between testing and unstable? and why did you ask me, if i know it? |
| 21:18.58 | xeon-enouf | sash_: google debian britney and learn about the migration process |
| 21:19.31 | abrotman | !dak |
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| 21:19.31 | dpkg | dak (also known as the debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the Debian archives. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing (and from incoming to unstable) at {1,7,13,19}:52 UTC each day. |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | not called 'the girls' anymore |
| 21:19.41 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: are you referring to sysv init .sh scripts that require that? |
| 21:19.52 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: uh... no. |
| 21:20.43 | stdisease | why britney |
| 21:20.45 | dkay | I Need A Little Help Please |
| 21:20.47 | xeon-enouf | so, if /bin/sh is a symlink .., and pooints to something _other_ than /bin/sh, what's your point? |
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| 21:21.09 | dkay | where can i get an intel 10/100 network driver for debian x86_64 |
| 21:21.27 | dkay | ive googled around the web but got no luck |
| 21:21.34 | xeon-enouf | and why can't that symlink point to something offered through alternatives? |
| 21:22.12 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: because as I've made clear, u-a sometimes makes mistakes, where the alternative doesn't point at anything. |
| 21:22.20 | abrotman | dkay: it's already in the kernel |
| 21:22.46 | stdisease | dkay, it may be already installed, you just have to.. probe it |
| 21:22.50 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: since the number of choices that you'd have for /bin/sh are so small, there's little point in working on it, either. Interactive shells matter, but almost no one cares whether /bin/sh is bash or dash. |
| 21:22.52 | mythomaniac | what was the command for aptitude clone again? |
| 21:22.54 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: you know as well as i do; POSIX never was and never will be ...it's like asking for a malware free internet .. it'll never happen |
| 21:23.07 | abrotman | !tell mythomaniac about aptitude clone |
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| 21:23.29 | mythomaniac | abrotman, i get no tell message :/ |
| 21:23.31 | dondelelcaro | should have known better to discuss this... |
| 21:23.41 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: and the number of choices for say "rename" are huge? |
| 21:23.42 | abrotman | mythomaniac: did you block the bot ? |
| 21:24.04 | mythomaniac | abrotman, is he identified to freenode? |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:24.16 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: i do care about which shell i'm using |
| 21:24.19 | stdisease | malware free internet can happen |
| 21:24.22 | abrotman | the bot told me .. i'm guessing you just can't find it |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | stdisease: unplug? :) |
| 21:24.33 | stdisease | abrotman, nukes |
| 21:24.34 | mythomaniac | abrotman, he shouldt be then |
| 21:24.36 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: yes, which is why you use csh. You almost certainly don't care what shell scripts which specify /bin/sh use. |
| 21:24.37 | themill | xeon-enouf: which shell you are using has nothing to do with /bin/sh |
| 21:24.46 | dondelelcaro | s/csh/chsh/ |
| 21:24.48 | abrotman | mythomaniac: it's your IRC client, worked just fine here |
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| 21:25.09 | mythomaniac | hmmm |
| 21:25.26 | dondelelcaro | (and in reality, there's only two choices for /bin/sh; bash and dash; you almost certainly want dash, unless you don't, in which case you specify bash) |
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| 21:26.26 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: themill so, you're saying any possible /bin/sh symlinks would have to be bourne shell compatible? |
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| 21:26.54 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: even more, they have to be POSIX-compliant as modified by policy. |
| 21:26.55 | mythomaniac | abrotman, yeah it was should work now... |
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| 21:27.00 | xeon-enouf | themill: i think sysv init would disagree ;-) |
| 21:27.22 | mythomaniac | abrotman, mind issuing the tell again ;) |
| 21:27.38 | themill | xeon-enouf: how about to change your /bin/sh to /bin/tcsh and let us know how well your box boots up |
| 21:27.39 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: who cares? these are the assumptions which are built into all of the things that Debian distributes. You're free to change it, but you get to keep the pieces. |
| 21:27.49 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: POSIX crap is the reason for recent dash, over bash .. which is just stupid |
| 21:27.57 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: i know that |
| 21:28.07 | xeon-enouf | themill: right |
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| 21:28.14 | dondelelcaro | xeon-enouf: uh... no? it's because dash is faster in many cases. |
| 21:28.21 | xeon-enouf | themill: that's my chice thoiugh |
| 21:28.39 | Pnux | hey, is it possible to find out which network manager im using? |
| 21:28.46 | xeon-enouf | themill: maybe i'll start to understand how/why a shell works when my POFS machinedoesn't boot |
| 21:28.48 | abrotman | !tell mythomaniac about aptitude clone |
| 21:28.52 | stdisease | what's a network manager? |
| 21:28.59 | mythomaniac | :/ |
| 21:28.59 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: not true |
| 21:29.05 | abrotman | !tell stdisease about n-m |
| 21:29.06 | themill | xeon-enouf: yep, it's your choice to make your box unbootable. I'm just not sure why you want to argue about that in #debian. |
| 21:29.09 | abrotman | !tell stdisease about nm |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | bah .. wrong thing |
| 21:29.22 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: yes .. it IS faster in many cases, but that's NOT why! |
| 21:29.22 | abrotman | stdisease: network-manager ... read the package description |
| 21:29.53 | abrotman | stdisease: oh .. i misread |
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| 21:30.05 | abrotman | Pnux: you may not be using one at all .. there is a program called network-manager though |
| 21:30.24 | themill | xeon-enouf: umm.. yes it its. How about you read that debian-devel thread that discussed making the change so you can at least argue from a position of knowledge |
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| 21:30.36 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: tobe honest, i do not know DASH well .. but IF it doesn't partake in 'bashisms' i want no part of it.. |
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| 21:30.39 | mythomaniac | abrotman, one more time please... apparently i need to delete the ignores through the client and not directly :/ |
| 21:30.42 | gusto | ok |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | !tell mythomaniac about aptitude clone |
| 21:30.51 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: i'm not a laptop rebooting weenie ;-) |
| 21:30.53 | Pnux | abrotman: i have that one installed, and kdenetworkconf and network-manager-kde |
| 21:30.55 | mythomaniac | abrotman, thank you |
| 21:30.58 | abrotman | mythomaniac: FWIW .. you can /msg dpkg aptitude clone :) |
| 21:31.03 | gusto | is there someone who has an ATI graphics? |
| 21:31.08 | xeon-enouf | themill: sorry = i'll stop[ now |
| 21:31.22 | stdisease | gusto, just post your issue |
| 21:31.22 | xeon-enouf | themill: and will read your suggestions |
| 21:31.24 | gusto | does xvinfo still show: no adaptors present? |
| 21:31.27 | mythomaniac | abrotman, heh thanks ;) |
| 21:32.04 | gusto | on radeon driver, radeonhd doesnt work at all |
| 21:32.21 | gusto | catalyst doesnt work from tessting up, so only on stable |
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| 21:33.02 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: themill (et al) i appreciate the sincere engagement as i've been sincere too ..thanks |
| 21:33.03 | gusto | however still on stable it tears video even with vsync enabled |
| 21:33.16 | stdisease | catalyst newer versions stopped working with older hardware, but older versions should work... with older kernels |
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| 21:33.30 | gusto | radeonhd 3450 is old? |
| 21:33.41 | gusto | PCIe RadeonHD 3450 ? |
| 21:33.46 | stdisease | hmm probably not, why isn't it working |
| 21:33.52 | stdisease | doesn't compile? |
| 21:34.09 | gusto | catalyst compiles and installs perfectly |
| 21:34.14 | gusto | even the kernel module |
| 21:34.19 | gusto | under every kernel |
| 21:34.24 | gusto | so no problem with that |
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| 21:34.48 | gusto | but Xorg says that no GL capable screens are found and it's way slower than VESA |
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| 21:35.05 | gusto | even when you move the window, you wait a few minutes |
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| 21:35.14 | gusto | and that on the catalyst driver |
| 21:35.24 | stdisease | gusto, Xorg.conf problems, maybe? |
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| 21:35.36 | gusto | for example amdccle or whatever is called goes up there |
| 21:35.41 | stdisease | fglrx should be loaded, and a bunch of other modules |
| 21:35.44 | gusto | there is not xorg.conf problem |
| 21:36.00 | gusto | there is no xorg.conf problem |
| 21:36.07 | Titan8990 | stdisease, bunch of others? |
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| 21:36.22 | stdisease | Titan8990, GLcore and other crap |
| 21:36.33 | gusto | when X says no GL screens are capable you can do whatever you wish |
| 21:36.40 | gusto | there is no chance you get it to work |
| 21:37.38 | Titan8990 | update-alternatives --config opengl? |
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| 21:37.51 | gusto | sometimes i feel like a fool |
| 21:38.03 | gusto | nobody believes me what I experience tere |
| 21:38.06 | gusto | there |
| 21:38.11 | gusto | and I dont as well |
| 21:38.24 | stdisease | I had the no GL screens but it was with fBSD |
| 21:38.26 | gusto | why isnt there a free driver |
| 21:38.50 | gusto | the only graphics that actually work is Intel, because there I have no surprises |
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| 21:39.02 | gusto | however |
| 21:39.08 | gusto | I experience it on linux |
| 21:39.17 | gusto | and who cares? freebsd |
| 21:39.31 | gusto | you may see no adaptors found in xvinfo on freebsd as well |
| 21:40.10 | gusto | fedora 11 works with the radeon driver |
| 21:40.24 | eqisow | why do selinux-basics and selinux-policy-default rely on x11-common? |
| 21:40.25 | gusto | and openbsd 46 with radeonhd 1.2.5 |
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| 21:40.43 | gusto | but that one is not very stable from openbsd 46 |
| 21:42.09 | gusto | OK |
| 21:42.32 | gusto | and the debian packages dont work at all |
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| 21:44.28 | sylar | hello |
| 21:45.04 | sylar | do you know if I can use Sil5723 (@asus p5q) for two non raid disks? |
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| 21:46.42 | AK|laptop | I want to burn CDs from which to install Debian. All I need is the base system and the Gnome GUI. Which .isos do I need to download for that? |
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| 21:48.41 | AK|laptop | Like, I'm looking at this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 21:49.09 | AK|laptop | But I was told when I /first/ got Debian that more than one CD would be required if I wanted a GUI. |
| 21:50.11 | themill | AK|laptop: it depends when you want to download stuff -- before installing to burn it onto cd or during installation directly from the mirror |
| 21:50.26 | AK|laptop | What sort of stuff? |
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| 21:50.41 | themill | whatever packages you want to install |
| 21:50.49 | AK|laptop | I want to download them to burn. |
| 21:51.02 | macrobat | there is netinstall and even if you install from a couple of cds you can install pkgs through the net |
| 21:51.03 | AK|laptop | Rather than do a netinstall because my connection at home is poor. |
| 21:51.09 | macrobat | aha |
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| 21:51.20 | themill | AK|laptop: so grab CD1 then |
| 21:51.31 | AK|laptop | CD1 is the only one I need? |
| 21:51.53 | themill | it's enough to get gnome installed. |
| 21:52.01 | AK|laptop | That's what I care about. |
| 21:52.02 | AK|laptop | Thanks. =) |
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| 21:59.02 | Snadder | Anyone know what to do with a buggy flash plugin? The sound aint following as it should.. suddenly going very fast. |
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| 22:01.40 | Snadder | It works to interact with the flash plugin. the only problem is the sound.. And when playing videos at youtube.. the flash player stops every 5 second. |
| 22:02.27 | sergiu1 | flash plugin from adobe for linux sucks? |
| 22:02.47 | sergiu1 | can't play with it flash content on some site in linux |
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| 22:04.08 | seriouslycgi | ok so ive tried for two days but i need help, can anyone help me install a touchscreen on lenny? |
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| 22:34.35 | sylar | do you know if I can use Sil5723 (@asus p5q) for two non raid disks? |
| 22:35.19 | sylar | seems like I need to set it to JBOD, but their configurtion app is for FC6 :S |
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| 22:35.25 | sylar | does debian have a way to do it? |
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| 22:36.04 | walery | hello |
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| 22:36.33 | walery | i was trying to remove some autostarts |
| 22:37.06 | walery | i use update-rc postgresql-8.3 remove |
| 22:37.15 | walery | i get answer update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 22:37.24 | walery | when i set -f |
| 22:37.31 | walery | it will be removed |
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| 22:37.51 | walery | but after update postgres |
| 22:38.03 | walery | it will be again in autostart |
| 22:38.34 | walery | how can i deactivate it in right wayà |
| 22:38.35 | walery | ? |
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| 22:47.14 | sergiu_ch_ | how to install c++ compiler anyone know |
| 22:47.40 | sergiu_ch_ | g++ |
| 22:48.30 | blendmaster1024 | su -c 'apt-get install g++' |
| 22:48.40 | themill | !b-e sergiu_ch_ |
| 22:48.40 | dpkg | sergiu_ch_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 22:49.12 | blendmaster1024 | i wish i had known that a week ago |
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| 23:04.24 | Xenguy | folks, my desktop PC is an AMD/sempra -- show I be using the '686' kernel? |
| 23:04.33 | Xenguy | should* |
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| 23:05.13 | benjamindees | Sempron? |
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| 23:05.44 | Xenguy | benjamindees: yes, that's it |
| 23:06.11 | benjamindees | yes use 686 unless it is 64 bit |
| 23:06.20 | Xenguy | benjamindees: I don't know how to find out which kernel I should use (for optimal results) |
| 23:06.27 | Xenguy | benjamindees: it is 32 bit |
| 23:07.17 | Xenguy | benjamindees: OK, thanks, I will. It seems for some reason the '486' kernel version was substituted for the previous '686'? |
| 23:07.39 | Xenguy | Not sure how that happens |
| 23:08.17 | benjamindees | hmm, I know the k7 kernel was discontinued. but you shouldn't have been using that anyways. |
| 23:08.36 | pipeline | k7 kernel discontinued ? |
| 23:08.37 | pipeline | wow |
| 23:08.43 | pipeline | k7 devices only left the market like two years ago |
| 23:08.46 | ranix | pipeline: who would have thought |
| 23:08.53 | benjamindees | I'd use 686 unless you see any glaring problems |
| 23:08.59 | Xenguy | OK will do |
| 23:09.00 | pipeline | 686 will work on a k7 |
| 23:09.07 | Xenguy | thanks again |
| 23:09.09 | pipeline | because the k7 supports the various pentium II items |
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| 23:09.25 | benjamindees | pipeline, there actually was a difference at one point |
| 23:09.32 | hark | !k7 dropped |
| 23:09.33 | dpkg | i386 -k7 Linux kernel images were removed from Debian post-Etch, see http://bugs.debian.org/454777 . Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
| 23:09.43 | benjamindees | crappy apic support or something |
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| 23:12.01 | benjamindees | "My two desktop computers are K7, but I can not yield results with the two because my main PC(K7) categorically refuses to boot on a 686 kernel! " |
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| 23:15.56 | woshty | benjamindees: ? |
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| 23:17.01 | benjamindees | woshty: ? |
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| 23:17.46 | deever | hi |
| 23:17.53 | woshty | benjamindees: did not understand posting |
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| 23:18.50 | ranix | !ask |
| 23:18.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:18.52 | benjamindees | woshty, that's just a quote from the posted bug report |
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| 23:19.05 | deever | is setting up a source packages mirror different from setting up a binary packages mirror? |
| 23:19.07 | ranix | oh, sorry benjamindees I thought you were failing to ask a question |
| 23:19.59 | woshty | benjamindees: ah, thx |
| 23:20.13 | stdisease | or compile your own kernel |
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| 23:22.18 | gemmer | if dvd 1,2 and 3 are debian 502, can dvd 4 and 5 be debian 503 ?? or will install fail? |
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| 23:23.45 | benjamindees | gemmer, I'd say worst case is that you have to manually install the packages from DVDs 4 and 5 after install. |
| 23:24.28 | benjamindees | considering what's on them, you won't be missing much |
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| 23:24.37 | gemmer | k, thx |
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| 23:25.50 | benjamindees | but actually I'd bet the installer won't bat an eye |
| 23:26.05 | bawhaha | can i hve multiple users "own" a file/dir such that they can both write to it? |
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| 23:26.36 | Titan8990 | bawhaha, put them in the same group and use group perms |
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| 23:27.49 | bawhaha | i tried adding to the same group and chown -hR :group ./ |
| 23:27.54 | bawhaha | didn't work though |
| 23:28.11 | mentor | Entropy appears to get eaten every time I read /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail; is this normal? |
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| 23:28.32 | benjamindees | or put them both in each other's groups and 'chmod g+w' the file |
| 23:29.10 | stdisease | bawhaha, both users need to log out and back for the group membership to take effect |
| 23:29.38 | bawhaha | users are only used by ftp / apache / mysql |
| 23:30.00 | bawhaha | i'll just restart the whole machien |
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| 23:32.00 | macrobat | bawhaha, there is acl |
| 23:32.18 | megatog615 | anyone here have an acer aspire one? |
| 23:32.36 | stdisease | macrobat, right, but his FS/kernel/userspace might not support it |
| 23:32.49 | macrobat | ok |
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| 23:32.53 | outlier | OK, I'm a konqueror newb, but how do I mount a partition? It's telling me I need permission, but I don't see where to enter the root password. |
| 23:33.40 | stdisease | outlier, well, you need to 'sudo mount <device> <mount point>" |
| 23:34.17 | benjamindees | no don't do that; if you want to mount it in konqueror, fix the permissions on the device or add the 'user' option to fstab |
| 23:34.33 | outlier | So it's terminal only then? It looked like I could do it from inside Konq. since it shows all the unmounted partions. |
| 23:35.32 | benjamindees | well you could probably run konqueror as root but that would be a temporary solution |
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| 23:35.49 | macrobat | if you want the partitions permanently mounted or user mounted, add entried in /etc/fstab |
| 23:35.59 | outlier | benjamindees: That turns out not to work anyway - run as root, it doesn't show you all the unmounted stuff in /media for some reason. |
| 23:36.56 | macrobat | outlier: if its not mounted in /media it simply is not in /media |
| 23:37.51 | macrobat | oyu cant access a filesystem that is not mounted, however, you can see devices like hdd partitions |
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| 23:38.19 | macrobat | man mount |
| 23:38.34 | macrobat | pmount can mount stuff as a regular user |
| 23:38.45 | outlier | macrobat: I know it's not mounted. Not at all. It does, however, show up in media:/ as an unmounted device. You'd think you could right-click and choose the 'mount' option, but you need root powers for that, and I just don't see how you're supposed to get them from there. |
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| 23:39.08 | outlier | I can do the command line thing; just figured there was a better way since the menu had an option for it. |
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| 23:39.30 | benjamindees | outlier, I'm not sure but perhaps there is a kde utility to manage your fstab ? |
| 23:39.42 | macrobat | maybe there is some kdesudo way of gining root priviledges |
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| 23:40.17 | outlier | I think there must be. |
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| 23:41.01 | outlier | Maybe some group I need to be a member of or something. |
| 23:41.28 | benjamindees | there is 'kdesu' |
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| 23:44.44 | djahandarie | Hello... start-stop-daemon seems to complain that a certain process isn't running when I try to stop it and I provide --pidfile, but works when I don't |
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| 23:46.34 | djahandarie | Ah, that's because the pidfile is non-existant... lol |
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| 23:48.28 | sylar | anyone have that Asus ezbackup working as non raid ? |
| 23:48.34 | djahandarie | Shouldn't start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile somefile create the pidfile though? |
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| 23:49.39 | benjamindees | with a command to run you mean? |
| 23:49.55 | djahandarie | Yes |
| 23:50.00 | djahandarie | Ahhh, I'm seeing --make-pidfile now |
| 23:50.13 | djahandarie | I guess the init.d file was just missing that for some reason |
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| 23:51.43 | djahandarie | Yeay, success |
| 23:52.05 | stdisease | djahandarie, Hi 5 |
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| 23:53.29 | benjamindees | so I'm sitting here playing around with coreboot and I have this great idea of being able to edit the BIOS settings from the command line by flashing the CMOS directly... |
| 23:53.52 | GhostlyD1ath | Hope your know your BIOS |
| 23:54.02 | benjamindees | but then I remember that the only time that would be useful is if you couldn't boot into the command line to begin with :-/ |
| 23:54.54 | benjamindees | GhostlyD1ath: I know what bits flip when I toggle options. That's enough. |
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| 23:55.40 | GhostlyD1ath | make a program that identifies a BIOS |
| 23:55.54 | GhostlyD1ath | and make an open source utility that changes BIOS settings from within the OS |
| 23:56.07 | benjamindees | yeah like I said that was my great idea |
| 23:56.19 | benjamindees | it's just not as useful as it sounds |
| 23:56.31 | GhostlyD1ath | But then you'd need cooperation from thousands of people for every BIOS concievable |
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| 23:56.49 | GhostlyD1ath | ambitious project |
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| 23:57.29 | ajavid | dual bios mobos come with usually windows software where you can configure or flash or update the bios and reboot whenver you want to take effect |
| 23:57.45 | ajavid | as for open source linux alternative to such tools, I'm not aware of any that have been developed |
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| 23:58.18 | \amethyst | you can access the contents with /dev/nvram, but you have to know what things your BIOS stores where; among other things, there is a checksum |
| 23:59.37 | ajavid | oph crap |
| 23:59.37 | GhostlyD1ath | hmm, /dev/nvram is non-existant! |
| 23:59.47 | benjamindees | modprobe nvram |
| 23:59.49 | ajavid | I just reconfigured locales and generated all of them |
| 23:59.53 | ajavid | lol... |
