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| 00:13.07 | MrWax | how can I limit the results I get from a cat file ? |
| 00:13.19 | MrWax | for only like the first 5 lines |
| 00:13.20 | jpinx | MrWax: grep? |
| 00:13.28 | MrWax | grep what exactly? |
| 00:13.59 | jpinx | dunno about first n lines - but tail does last lines |
| 00:14.07 | MrWax | i need the first 5 |
| 00:14.25 | jpinx | man grep, man tail, look for "See also...." |
| 00:14.25 | szymon_g | mrak, try to head file, instead of cat it |
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| 00:14.38 | szymon_g | head -n 5 |
| 00:14.38 | nomatter001 | hi |
| 00:14.43 | szymon_g | hi nomatter001 |
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| 00:14.50 | MrWax | thx |
| 00:14.57 | szymon_g | your welcome |
| 00:15.11 | szymon_g | eh, i've trigged wrong name by mistake :~ |
| 00:15.24 | nomatter001 | i can't find a package for xmobar but there is an explaination on it here: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/xmobar_0.9.2-1.html |
| 00:15.38 | nomatter001 | do i need a special entry in sources.list to get that package |
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| 00:17.37 | adb | nomatter001: waiting entering sid is the way |
| 00:17.42 | jpinx | judd: versions xmobar |
| 00:17.43 | judd | jpinx: xmobar -- |
| 00:18.31 | nomatter001 | adb: so this package isn't even in sid now? |
| 00:18.48 | jpinx | nomatter001: see what judd says? |
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| 00:19.30 | nomatter001 | ok i see ... |
| 00:19.36 | jpinx | szymon_g: head <file> -n 5 works, but tail <file> -n 5 doesn't - am I missing something? |
| 00:20.14 | szymon_g | i have no idea :~ (sorry) |
| 00:20.24 | jpinx | szymon_g: np :) |
| 00:20.27 | nomatter001 | so i will have to install from source? |
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| 00:20.58 | jpinx | nomatter001: seems to be that you're on your own here - sorry |
| 00:22.01 | nomatter001 | jpinx: ok thx, thought there would be something because there is a package for xmonad and xmonad without xmobar makes no scence for me |
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| 00:22.16 | jpinx | nomatter001: especially on a friday evening - better to ask during working hours when you'll get more of the brains online;) |
| 00:22.28 | dustybin | how does linux raid know if a HD is dead? |
| 00:22.37 | dustybin | or, how about, if a HD is half dead |
| 00:22.44 | dustybin | what would linux RAID do? |
| 00:22.47 | adb | nomatter001: ask #xmonad on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:22.51 | dbbolton | WWRD |
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| 00:23.31 | nomatter001 | ok thx so far |
| 00:23.55 | nomatter001 | adb: i thought it would be correct to ask here because i'm searching for a debian-specific way to install xmobar |
| 00:24.24 | adb | #xmonad is debian-specific |
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| 00:26.34 | nomatter001 | i also see that there is no nvidia-kernel for 2.6.30? |
| 00:26.58 | dustybin | can a HD die when its in use? or does it usually happen when a box is restarted / or turned on |
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| 00:27.38 | dbbolton | nomatter001 i dont think proprietary drivers have a high priority in newer kernels |
| 00:28.53 | adb | nomatter001: tried nvidia m-a ? |
| 00:30.10 | nomatter001 | adb: yes aptitude doesn't find nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 00:30.56 | dbbolton | non-free enabled ? |
| 00:31.34 | sepult | dustybin: it can happen anytime |
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| 00:32.03 | dustybin | can linux RAID detect a HD what has serious problems? |
| 00:32.35 | acu | how to you induce a fresh search for hardware (monitor) so X can get it working |
| 00:33.12 | nomatter001 | yes non-free is enabled |
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| 00:34.18 | dbbolton | nomatter001 i'm running sid, and i found the most effect means was to use the nvidia installer |
| 00:34.44 | althaser | why my apt-get now update for amd64 and i386 ?? |
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| 00:37.00 | jpinx | dustybin: HD's can die at any time |
| 00:37.01 | dbbolton | with a nonfree driver as such i see no advantage to using the "debian way", except maybe being able to sleep better at night |
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| 00:37.29 | jpinx | dustybin: ddrescue muight be your friend_ |
| 00:37.31 | dustybin | jpinx: can HD's kind of still work, but cause lots of problems |
| 00:37.54 | nomatter001 | hmm strange maybe with something is incorrect with my sources.list |
| 00:37.57 | jpinx | dustybin: yea - during the time they are in their death throes they cause all kinds of oddities |
| 00:38.09 | nomatter001 | aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv doesn't find anything |
| 00:38.15 | cmyers_home | I believe mdadm detects a failure and marks a drive as failed whenever there is an I/O error. |
| 00:38.32 | dustybin | jpinx: imagine i was using linux RAID-5, and one of the drives was throwing all kinds of oddities, can linux RAID detect the problem? |
| 00:38.36 | cmyers_home | or perhaps there is some sort of threshold, like 5 errors in some period of time |
| 00:38.53 | jpinx | cmyers_home: that is if the failure is complete - I've had HD's "half" die:( |
| 00:39.16 | cmyers_home | http://linux-raid.osdl.org/index.php/Linux_Raid is a great resource for software raid details |
| 00:39.24 | jpinx | dustybin: sorry dude - my ignorance of raid is 100% ;) |
| 00:39.25 | cmyers_home | I have had "half-failed" drives marked as failed though |
| 00:39.28 | cmyers_home | it detected it somehow. |
| 00:39.32 | adb | nomatter001: paste sources.list |
| 00:39.34 | dustybin | ace |
| 00:39.58 | dustybin | cmyers_home: and that was linux RAID? |
| 00:40.21 | jpinx | cmyers_home: thats good news - 'cos it gives you the chance to recover the data with ddrescue before the thing fails totally |
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| 00:40.28 | simonrvn | pasteBIN |
| 00:40.38 | cmyers_home | absolutely |
| 00:40.38 | bbelt16ag | what's a good ftp app I can specify a password and user name and do file globbing * |
| 00:40.45 | dustybin | _DOUBLE_ _ACE_ |
| 00:40.50 | cmyers_home | or get your new drive orderd to rebuild the array =) |
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| 00:41.24 | leejongwook | hibernate or suspend in terminal ? |
| 00:41.32 | cmyers_home | I have a blog post about my software raid setup and some of the work I did and references I used here: http://blog.cmyers.org/index.php/2008/10/29/the-ultimate-home-fileserver/ |
| 00:42.08 | leejongwook | question : how do i run hibernate or suspend in terminal ? |
| 00:42.14 | dbbolton | leejongwook hibernate |
| 00:42.22 | leejongwook | dont work @_@ |
| 00:42.29 | leejongwook | i have lenny :) |
| 00:42.42 | dbbolton | leejongwook aptitude install hibernate? |
| 00:42.47 | dustybin | cmyers_home: im in the process of building a new home server, here is a rough layout: http://paste.debian.net/40938/plain/40938 do you think it is worth using RAID-1 mirror for the OS drive? |
| 00:42.55 | jpinx | cmyers_home: is it worth looking at for a eeepc netbook with SSD harddrive and SD card and USB sticks to make up a decent amount of space available? |
| 00:42.58 | leejongwook | dbbolton, thanks :) |
| 00:43.13 | leejongwook | dbbolton, how about suspend ? same way ? |
| 00:43.40 | cmyers_home | jpinx, I'd say software raid is useful for a dedicated file server, but I wouldn't do it on my desktop or a machine I was directly using |
| 00:43.42 | nomatter001 | adb: http://pastebin.com/m3f69326b |
| 00:43.54 | cmyers_home | the overhead doesn't warrant the speed increases |
| 00:44.01 | jpinx | cmyers_home: fair enough - thanks |
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| 00:44.07 | leejongwook | dbbolton, i have suspend :) |
| 00:44.09 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
| 00:44.33 | cmyers_home | as for mirroring, you may wish to do that, but I considered the root partition to be fairly unimportant because I could just rebuild the drive the same way I made it initially, grab a new drive, install debian, install mdadm, etc. |
| 00:44.35 | dbbolton | leejongwook do you have a display manager, gdm or kdm |
| 00:44.39 | adb | nomatter001: goto #xmonad on irc.oftc.net please , they are waiting you for helping |
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| 00:44.51 | leejongwook | yes dbbolton but i wanted to run in console :) |
| 00:45.05 | dustybin | cmyers_home: thats what i was thinking! if the HD goes down, i would just re-install debian |
| 00:45.23 | leejongwook | dbbolton, thanks :) |
| 00:45.25 | leejongwook | you all have good day :) thanks all :) |
| 00:45.33 | dbbolton | leejongwooki understand. gdm-control --suspend |
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| 00:45.40 | leejongwook | cool |
| 00:45.43 | leejongwook | :) |
| 00:45.43 | dbbolton | that's why i asked. |
| 00:45.49 | leejongwook | i see :) |
| 00:45.55 | dbbolton | not sure about kdm. |
| 00:45.58 | jpinx | cmyers_home: yes - I would just reinstall too. I will need to backup the configs more regularly - that's all |
| 00:45.58 | Roots | I upgraded my software and now my Windows XP partition is no longer bootable in grub. Any ideas how to make a functional Windows XP partition bootable again? |
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| 00:46.08 | cmyers_home | dustybin: it is also possible to actually boot off the raid, but it is a pain to set up, and kinda fragile |
| 00:46.16 | leejongwook | dbbolton, well i dont think i have gdm-control |
| 00:46.20 | leejongwook | i have gnome |
| 00:46.34 | jpinx | Roots: run grub-install again |
| 00:46.35 | dbbolton | then you have gdm |
| 00:46.36 | dustybin | cmyers_home: i would need a /boot partition what isnt in the RAID |
| 00:46.45 | dbbolton | gnome display manager |
| 00:46.56 | cmyers_home | yeh, I think that is how it works, and you mirror it on all the disks in the raid |
| 00:47.02 | dustybin | yep |
| 00:47.03 | leejongwook | yes but only in /etc/init.d |
| 00:47.04 | cmyers_home | then that /boot detects and mounts the raid |
| 00:47.21 | dustybin | i wonder if hi-tech data centres mirror OS linux drives |
| 00:47.22 | leejongwook | oh.. yes i have gdm |
| 00:47.32 | leejongwook | /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 00:48.12 | leejongwook | but i dont have gdm-control |
| 00:48.17 | Roots | jpinx: just ran grub-install and its still not bootable |
| 00:48.31 | zmen01 | what is wrong with this: |
| 00:48.38 | ice799 | Hi there I have set up my own package repository for a package or two that I hand rolled. When I try to apt-get install I get a "size mistmatch" error from apt. Not sure what the problem is. I can wget the deb from the http server just fine. |
| 00:48.42 | ice799 | Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 00:48.48 | zmen01 | cat file1 | sed -rn '/^[89]/' |
| 00:48.53 | dbbolton | leejongwook # /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force |
| 00:48.54 | leejongwook | dbbolton, but as you said i installed suspend by apt-get :) |
| 00:49.04 | leejongwook | i dont have that script :) |
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| 00:49.18 | leejongwook | i tried to find it but couldn't |
| 00:49.30 | leejongwook | i have powerbtn.sh |
| 00:49.44 | leejongwook | i have powerbtn-acpi-support.sh |
| 00:49.45 | leejongwook | instead |
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| 00:49.57 | votan | my system freezes sometimes |
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| 00:50.30 | dbbolton | leejongwook ls /etc/acpi |
| 00:50.39 | leejongwook | dbbolton, events powerbtn-acpi-support.sh powerbtn.sh |
| 00:50.49 | mesa_booger | zmen01: the very first bit, the cat is redundant for a start. and not really knowing what you actually want to achieve, well any guess at this point would be sheer pot luck ... |
| 00:50.51 | leejongwook | events is a directory |
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| 00:51.22 | votan | is this normal |
| 00:51.32 | jpinx | Roots: does grub not "see" the XP partition? |
| 00:51.34 | dbbolton | leejongwook do you have a laptop |
| 00:51.39 | votan | once i got a popup saying there was a kernel failure |
| 00:51.46 | leejongwook | dbbolton, no |
| 00:51.55 | leejongwook | i have lenny(Debian-5.0.1) |
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| 00:52.23 | Roots | jpinx: no it sees the partition fine. The "Boot" flag is not set for that partition under fdisk -l |
| 00:52.34 | dbbolton | leejongwook install acpi-support acpi acpid |
| 00:52.41 | leejongwook | roger ~ |
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| 00:53.05 | jpinx | Roots: set it then |
| 00:53.09 | leejongwook | ok |
| 00:53.16 | leejongwook | i've installed all of 'em |
| 00:53.32 | Roots | How do I do that? I didn't see an option for that in fdisk |
| 00:53.32 | dbbolton | leejongwook now ls /etc/acpi again |
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| 00:53.55 | leejongwook | dbbolton, i have a lot sh files |
| 00:54.03 | jpinx | Roots: use cfdisk |
| 00:54.21 | leejongwook | dbbolton, what was the command name again please |
| 00:54.22 | dbbolton | leejongwook # /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force |
| 00:54.32 | leejongwook | for suspend ? |
| 00:54.38 | leejongwook | or for hibernate ? |
| 00:54.47 | dbbolton | suspend |
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| 00:55.13 | leejongwook | mm. what's for hibernate then ? |
| 00:55.13 | dbbolton | hibernate = /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh |
| 00:55.20 | dbbolton | or 'hibernate' |
| 00:55.36 | Roots | got it, thanks jpinx. rebooting now |
| 00:55.39 | leejongwook | yes i have hibernate.sh :) |
| 00:55.44 | leejongwook | dbbolton, thanks :) |
| 00:55.48 | leejongwook | hehehe |
| 00:55.53 | dbbolton | np |
| 00:55.57 | leejongwook | :) |
| 00:56.23 | leejongwook | thank you ~ :) have good dream :) |
| 00:56.44 | leejongwook | <--- :D happy ~ |
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| 01:00.25 | nix_chix0r | jews everywhere |
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| 01:01.07 | zmen01 | mesa_booger |
| 01:01.10 | zmen01 | you here still |
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| 01:02.30 | mesa_booger | zmen01: yes i am. i answered you in ##linux. this is now getting extremely boring |
| 01:02.46 | mesa_booger | zmen01: grep "^[89]" filename |
| 01:02.55 | mesa_booger | no cat. no sed |
| 01:03.38 | zmen01 | ok |
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| 01:04.45 | nix_chix0r | zmen01, have you seen my stapler |
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| 01:18.26 | zmen01 | is it possible to filter all lines that have more than 40 chars with sed? |
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| 01:20.14 | simonrvn | nix_chix0r: assholes too *plonk* |
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| 01:21.26 | nix_chix0r | i'm no asshole i'm just bored |
| 01:21.50 | jpinx | nix_chix0r: /join #debian-offtopic then |
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| 01:22.48 | Tramp | zmen01: Stop this bloody crossposting. |
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| 01:23.47 | mesa_booger | did i just say infuriating ? |
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| 01:24.08 | sepult | yes |
| 01:24.36 | jpinx | wear boots |
| 01:26.35 | sepult | i tell you |
| 01:26.39 | sepult | acpi is so buggy |
| 01:27.29 | n0de | Hi! Is it me, or does debian not have wgetpaste in apt-get installer? |
| 01:28.38 | Snadder | Do anyone have a clue why iceowl is very slow.. and refuses to add events or todo's? |
| 01:28.43 | simonrvn | n0de: wtf would it? |
| 01:29.06 | n0de | simonrvn: cos its a handy tool? |
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| 01:29.42 | simonrvn | useless for installation. i'd much rather have netcat than wgetpaste... |
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| 01:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | wgetpaste? |
| 01:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | a thermo-paste so that wget doesn't overheat? |
| 01:30.52 | Harkins | I have a commercial package that depends on libltdl3 but that package is now named libltdl7. Can anyone point me to how to tell dpkg that the new package provides that dep and it's OK to continue with install? |
| 01:31.06 | n0de | netcat? ok |
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| 01:31.48 | sepult | Harkins: make a symbolic link from libltdl3 to libltdl7 |
| 01:32.03 | sepult | Harkins: sometimes it works |
| 01:32.24 | Harkins | In what directory? |
| 01:32.31 | sepult | Harkins: wherever they are |
| 01:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Harkins, there's a libltdl3 package |
| 01:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libltdl3 |
| 01:32.45 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libltdl3 -- etch: 1.5.22-4 etch-backports: 1.5.24-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.26-4 squeeze: 1.5.26-4 |
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| 01:33.19 | n0de | I have a problem. I have 2 1TB drives in sw raid, md0,1,2 and df output http://dpaste.com/63053/ shows that md2 has got size of 916gb, only used 1.4gb but has only avaliable 868gb... to me that means that it should have used 40gb~... is this a debian-specific trick? can anyone explain? thx |
| 01:33.38 | Harkins | CutMeOwnThroat: Hm, I just get "Package libltdl3 is not available, but is referred to by another package." I guess I'll go play with my sources. |
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| 01:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Harkins, what version of debian are you running |
| 01:34.47 | Harkins | I got it, np |
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| 01:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoffel! |
| 01:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 01:35.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:35.03 | jpinx | heh |
| 01:37.11 | n0de | can anyone help? |
| 01:37.14 | n0de | thx ^^ |
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| 01:38.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't call having 2 1TB drives "a problem" |
| 01:38.54 | mesa_booger | i would. i need 4 for the raid |
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| 01:39.39 | n0de | CutMeOwnThroat: no the prob is that total size is 916gb, reported usage is 1.4gb, and free is 868gb, but id work out that it should be using 40gb~ not 1.4gb... |
| 01:40.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | n0de, what filesystem... ext2/3 and I think most others reserve about 10%... I wasn't aware that that would show up as 'not available' in df, though |
| 01:40.26 | n0de | ext3 |
| 01:40.42 | mesa_booger | that would be 5% iinm. recover with tune2fs -m0 |
| 01:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... the journal should take some space |
| 01:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, 40GB ain't 10% either :) 5% comes closeish |
| 01:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it really shouldn't show in df as a missing number in "available" |
| 01:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps this is a new feature in the current version of df? |
| 01:42.15 | n0de | mesa_booger: eek error, just shows help.. |
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| 01:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably more like tune2fs /dev/md0 |
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| 01:43.15 | mesa_booger | er well you do need to specify a filesystem |
| 01:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ext3 |
| 01:43.24 | dpkg | i heard ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <resize2fs>, <ext2fsd>, <ext2ifs>, <filesystems>. FAQ: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 01:43.40 | mesa_booger | tune2fs -m0 /dev/whatever |
| 01:43.57 | n0de | wow |
| 01:44.12 | n0de | mesa_booger: thx... can you explain what -m0 is ? thxx |
| 01:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | n0de, actually look at the faq that dpkg just gave the url for... |
| 01:44.27 | n0de | hdd ava is now 914 |
| 01:44.28 | cusco | man it |
| 01:44.56 | mesa_booger | n0de: it means "man tune2fs" |
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| 01:45.33 | n0de | mesa_booger: ha funny. *looks* |
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| 01:46.32 | cusco | even tho mesa_booger might not be busy, seems that you, n0de, are a bit too much of a headache |
| 01:46.42 | khaije | i'm thinking about upgrading my lenny server to testing, anyone wanna talk me out of it? |
| 01:46.54 | cusco | nope |
| 01:46.56 | khaije | (if not thats cool ) |
| 01:46.58 | n0de | cusco: excuse me? |
| 01:47.34 | mesa_booger | yeah cusco what the dickens do you mean ? |
| 01:47.39 | mesa_booger | :) |
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| 01:48.50 | khaije | erm... |
| 01:49.07 | jpinx | khaije: if it's a live server then I'd I'd keep it in stable;) |
| 01:49.12 | jpinx | eejit |
| 01:49.32 | n0de | lol what a loss |
| 01:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | "khaije, don't do it" |
| 01:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
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| 01:55.29 | Lacrimas | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
| 01:55.35 | Lacrimas | Any idea why there is no public key? |
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| 01:56.05 | n0de | mesa_booger: thx for your help... its always amazing what you can learn in a day.. |
| 01:56.14 | jpinx | Lacrimas: which package? |
| 01:56.22 | Lacrimas | trying to apt-get update |
| 01:56.38 | jpinx | Lacrimas: paste the output |
| 01:56.57 | jpinx | Lacrimas: forget that - try aptitude firste |
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| 01:57.41 | mesa_booger | n0de: yw |
| 01:58.42 | Lacrimas | same error |
| 01:58.47 | Lacrimas | http://paste.debian.net/40941/ |
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| 02:01.57 | jpinx | Lacrimas: what's uname -a say? |
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| 02:02.39 | Lacrimas | Linux lac 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5.028stab062.3 #1 SMP Sun May 10 18:54:51 MSD 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:03.33 | jpinx | Lacrimas: sorry I meant what's cat /etc/debian_version say |
| 02:03.48 | Lacrimas | Debian 4 |
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| 02:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5.028stab062.3? |
| 02:05.05 | jpinx | Lacrimas: ok - you know that is etch and is now "old"? |
| 02:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a redhat kernel... how did that come to be there |
| 02:05.24 | Lacrimas | Yea, i should probably update to 5, but it won't work without apt though |
| 02:05.33 | Lacrimas | CutMeOwnThroat: vps and openvz |
| 02:05.39 | jpinx | Lacrimas: well - as CutMeOwnThroat points out - the kernel is wrong too |
| 02:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lacrimas, it's not a fatal error - but it's weird you see it now |
| 02:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch keyring |
| 02:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, dpkg deserts me |
| 02:06.16 | jpinx | dpkg: ping |
| 02:06.16 | dpkg | Yes, jpinx, you are online. |
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| 02:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch key |
| 02:06.19 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 02:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lacrimas, ^^^ |
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| 02:06.54 | jpinx | Lacrimas: whatever - you really should get up to lenny |
| 02:07.07 | Lacrimas | Yea, updated my other vps to lenny the other day |
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| 02:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lacrimas, /msg dpkg etch->lenny for that |
| 02:08.52 | jpinx | !tell Lacrimas about etch->lenny |
| 02:09.01 | jpinx | oops |
| 02:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fire |
| 02:09.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 02:09.21 | jpinx | yea yea - :p |
| 02:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | we need more TP factoids! |
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| 02:13.52 | bbelt16ag | anybody know of a ftp site I can send my files to? |
| 02:14.09 | bbelt16ag | I need to send 100 mb at once, |
| 02:14.18 | bbelt16ag | for free... |
| 02:14.23 | ranix | rapidshare |
| 02:15.00 | bbelt16ag | FTP? |
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| 02:19.32 | d_b | bbelt16ag: does it have to be ftp? |
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| 02:20.28 | bbelt16ag | or email |
| 02:20.36 | bbelt16ag | I can do either email it or ftp it right now |
| 02:20.54 | jpinx | bbelt16ag: gmail |
| 02:21.00 | bbelt16ag | tried |
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| 02:21.02 | d_b | ah, I only know a site like rapidshare without the time limit. |
| 02:21.06 | bbelt16ag | I can't get em to go |
| 02:21.24 | jpinx | bbelt16ag: gmail offers 7GB space freee |
| 02:21.37 | bbelt16ag | it keeps complains when I try to upload a 8 mb files |
| 02:21.37 | jpinx | even yahoo mail could do 100MBs |
| 02:21.49 | jpinx | bbelt16ag: what's the error? |
| 02:21.58 | bbelt16ag | hang on I look in history |
| 02:22.01 | jpinx | has just been loading music into gmail |
| 02:23.28 | bbelt16ag | I don't know |
| 02:23.38 | bbelt16ag | it kep saying the file was too big. |
| 02:23.50 | jpinx | gmail doesn't do errors like that |
| 02:24.03 | bbelt16ag | oh oh I got the error in gmail hang on |
| 02:24.08 | jpinx | what connection do you have? |
| 02:24.12 | jpinx | dialup??? |
| 02:26.25 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 02:26.33 | bbelt16ag | cable |
| 02:26.43 | bbelt16ag | ok the one error I was getting was bout forwarding. |
| 02:26.49 | bbelt16ag | to yahoo, I don't know why I setup that... |
| 02:27.05 | bbelt16ag | anyways it was making my files like 100k instead of like 5 mb.. |
| 02:27.09 | jpinx | wtf? |
| 02:27.11 | bbelt16ag | I try it one more time and see. |
| 02:27.31 | jpinx | it works better i gmail using plain html page |
| 02:27.41 | bbelt16ag | eh? |
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| 02:27.52 | bbelt16ag | I am sending email to gmail. |
| 02:27.56 | bbelt16ag | from cli |
| 02:28.27 | jpinx | bleh - gmail doesn't like that ime |
| 02:30.16 | B1ST | what do you need for sending email to gmail in cli? |
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| 02:32.29 | buntfalke | how to find out which charset a system uses for storing filenames? |
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| 02:32.55 | jpinx | B1ST: exim or postfix or similar |
| 02:34.06 | B1ST | ty |
| 02:35.46 | Lacrimas | jpinx, after changing my sources.list i get this error |
| 02:36.03 | Lacrimas | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.it.debian.org etch/lenny Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.it.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_lenny_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 02:36.25 | jpinx | Lacrimas: why etch/lenny? |
| 02:36.33 | Lacrimas | Oh, disregard :P |
| 02:36.36 | jpinx | it has to be one or the other |
| 02:36.45 | jpinx | sheeeesh |
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| 02:37.07 | johntramp | hey. I have my email checked by cron using getmail. Is there a way I can have it run a script when new mail is received? |
| 02:37.25 | Lacrimas | whats super-cow powers o_O |
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| 02:37.40 | sepult | lol |
| 02:37.58 | sepult | super-cow powers is dangerous |
| 02:38.08 | NiLon | Lacrimas aptitude moo |
| 02:38.20 | sepult | !moo |
| 02:38.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 02:38.29 | Lacrimas | lol |
| 02:38.32 | sepult | lol |
| 02:38.54 | jimi_c | apt-get cowsay? |
| 02:39.27 | jpinx | Lacrimas: are you following the instructions for dist-upgrade? |
| 02:39.33 | Lacrimas | yep |
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| 02:40.10 | Lacrimas | Unknown command "safe-upgrade" |
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| 02:40.42 | jpinx | Lacrimas: I can tell that you are not following the guide |
| 02:41.22 | Lacrimas | i did |
| 02:41.39 | jpinx | not |
| 02:41.42 | jpinx | start again |
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| 02:43.16 | Lacrimas | Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade) - Does nothing new |
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| 02:43.45 | jpinx | fine then move on |
| 02:44.28 | Lacrimas | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 02:44.30 | Lacrimas | That's all it said |
| 02:44.53 | jimi_c | question: i' |
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| 02:45.11 | jimi_c | doh.. i'm trying to do a network install of debian on vmware, and i'm getting driver failures for networking |
| 02:45.30 | jimi_c | should i be using a different media? |
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| 02:46.11 | jimi_c | i'm using debian-501-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 02:46.39 | jpinx | Lacrimas: follow the instructionss |
| 02:46.45 | Lacrimas | I did.. |
| 02:46.56 | jpinx | what's the next step? |
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| 02:47.33 | Lacrimas | Well after i change the sources.list from etch to lenny, aptitude update then aptitude install aptitude; |
| 02:48.54 | Lacrimas | After aptitude update: Fetched 3317kB in 6s (504kB/s) ; Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:48.56 | jpinx | Lacrimas: I am not going to hold your hand - the instructions are really easy to follow |
| 02:49.28 | Lacrimas | aptitude install aptitude: Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. |
| 02:49.54 | Lacrimas | aptitude safe-upgrade: This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
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| 02:50.14 | jpinx | Lacrimas: paste all of it if you want help |
| 02:50.32 | vasi | i have a FAT partition, that linux is having trouble reading...both OS X and Vista seem to think it's not damaged |
| 02:50.44 | vasi | but fsck.vfat immediately comes up with what sounds like serious errors |
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| 02:51.06 | vasi | ("there are differences between boot sector and its backup") |
| 02:51.10 | jpinx | vasi: why are you fsck'ing it? |
| 02:51.46 | vasi | jpinx, because when i mount it in linux, it occasionally says there's some problem, and remounts it read-only |
| 02:51.58 | vasi | i'll see if i can reproduce that part consistently |
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| 02:52.19 | jimi_c | vasi: if you fsck it with -fy, does it correct the problem? |
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| 02:52.34 | jpinx | vasi: vfat checks are best done by an os that actually uses that fs |
| 02:52.48 | vasi | jimi_c, i'm hesitant to go through with the fsck, given that OS X and VIsta both say it's ok |
| 02:53.01 | vasi | i don't want to mess up the FS if the fsck tool is borked |
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| 02:53.11 | jimi_c | osx and vista may not be doing a check of the backup boot sector |
| 02:53.11 | vasi | that's what i'm asking here essentially :-) |
| 02:53.19 | jimi_c | run chkdsk on it in vista |
| 02:53.29 | jpinx | vasi - chkdsk it |
| 02:53.36 | jpinx | preferably in XPe |
| 02:53.38 | vasi | i ran the windows "check the disk" tool |
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| 02:53.44 | vasi | which i'm assuming is chkdsk |
| 02:53.48 | vasi | (or a wrapper around it) |
| 02:53.53 | vasi | it reported no errors |
| 02:54.03 | vasi | (same with the Mac OS X disk utility) |
| 02:54.13 | jimi_c | chkdsk /f /r |
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| 02:54.38 | jimi_c | i'm guessing this is a usb key? |
| 02:55.00 | vasi | no, it's a partition on my regular ol' drive |
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| 02:55.27 | vasi | i'm gonna go back up my data, and try that chkdsk thing again |
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| 02:55.45 | vasi | and then i'll see if fsck.vfat still whines |
| 02:55.46 | jimi_c | does osx not read ntfs? if it can, backup your data and reformat it |
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| 02:56.14 | jpinx | vasi: why use vfat at all? |
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| 02:56.54 | jimi_c | jpinx: my point exactly, if it's not a usb key why use vfat? |
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| 02:57.56 | jpinx | jimi_c: I'm pretty sure OSX can read ntfs |
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| 02:58.24 | jimi_c | i'm not familiar with it, but i'd be surprised if it can't |
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| 02:58.37 | vasi | OS X can read ntfs, but not write with the native driver....if you use FUSE + ntfs-3g, then it can write too |
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| 02:58.57 | vasi | i always figured that FAT was the best format for interop among all the OSes |
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| 02:59.43 | vasi | there's no good ext2/3 driver for OS X....the HFS+ drivers on linux can't handle journaling.....and ntfs-3g seemed pretty slow |
| 03:00.06 | vasi | as a FAT partition, all three OSes can just read it out of the box |
| 03:00.12 | nsx | that's pretty accurate |
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| 03:00.29 | jpinx | vasi: true that ntfs-3g is slow |
| 03:00.30 | nsx | at least ntfs-3g seems pretty reliable when you need it in a pinch though |
| 03:00.39 | jpinx | but it is solid |
| 03:00.41 | vasi | i mean, the whole situation is stupid....i can't believe we still have no common format |
| 03:00.44 | nsx | it's FUSE, so of course it's slow :-) |
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| 03:01.10 | jpinx | vasi: agreed - that's your project for the weekend - fix it:D |
| 03:01.30 | jimi_c | vasi: sounds like you run too many os'es :) |
| 03:01.31 | vasi | haha, sure....soon as i'm done with my time machine and teleporter |
| 03:01.45 | nsx | vasi, I've used FAT like that before, but my biggest problem with it is the unreliability |
| 03:02.03 | nsx | I guess if you have a UPS unit or something, it's not as much of a worry |
| 03:02.03 | vasi | really? this is the first bit of unreliability i've had |
| 03:02.11 | jpinx | vasi: the only way to get around your current problem is to back up the data and re-install the vfat fs |
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| 03:02.20 | nsx | I mean the kind of problems you get when your power goes out while a file is being written to a FAT system |
| 03:02.46 | vasi | (well, if you don't count Vista deciding to wipe the partition on install, cuz it didn't like which partition was flagged as bootable.....*sigh*) |
| 03:03.11 | jpinx | heh - the joys of windoze |
| 03:03.26 | vasi | oh, and when i tried OpenSuSE, it randomly converted the partition from FAT32 to EFI System Partition....which is really just FAT32 + some weird flags |
| 03:03.38 | jpinx | vasi: you'd be better with a vbox running windows |
| 03:03.56 | vasi | jpinx, got that too....but the 3D drivers are teh sux0rs |
| 03:04.10 | jpinx | vasi: ah - yea |
| 03:04.32 | adb | vasi: not in vbox 3.0 |
| 03:04.39 | jpinx | vasi - run a vbox in vista with debian in it? |
| 03:04.46 | vasi | adb, yeah, still in vbox 3.0 |
| 03:04.52 | jpinx | adb: did they fix it? |
| 03:04.53 | adb | oj |
| 03:04.56 | adb | oh* |
| 03:04.58 | vasi | vbox doesn't like GMA graphics too mch |
| 03:05.00 | vasi | *much |
| 03:05.02 | Lacrimas | jpinx: http://paste.debian.net/40943/ theres the pb with everything |
| 03:05.02 | jimi_c | that's what i was going to suggest |
| 03:05.06 | jimi_c | vm's will make life easier |
| 03:05.11 | jimi_c | then share drives via samba/nfs |
| 03:06.44 | adb | vasi: just installed yesterday 3.0 on nv , but not tried yet |
| 03:06.44 | vasi | i do indeed use VMs quite a bit |
| 03:07.04 | vasi | VMWare actually has pretty good native-partition support |
| 03:07.26 | vasi | it's really weird to stick a USB disk into my laptop, and then have a VM boot off of it :-) |
| 03:07.36 | vasi | ok, i'm off to backup my shit |
| 03:07.45 | vasi | see y'all again soon, wish me luck :-) |
| 03:07.55 | jpinx | luck vasi |
| 03:07.58 | adb | later |
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| 03:08.21 | jpinx | Lacrimas: looks like you're half-upgraded already |
| 03:08.57 | jimi_c | did anyone notice my question from earlier? what media should i be using for a network (pxe followed by http) install of 5.0.1 on vmware |
| 03:10.06 | Lacrimas | Any idea what i should do? |
| 03:10.39 | jpinx | Lacrimas: backup your data and configs if you haven't already |
| 03:10.42 | adb | jimi_c: /msg dpkg netboot |
| 03:11.05 | jpinx | Lacrimas: are you in a vps of some kind? |
| 03:11.11 | Lacrimas | Yes |
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| 03:11.24 | jpinx | Argh - is it xen? |
| 03:11.28 | Lacrimas | It's debian 4 through openvz |
| 03:11.43 | jpinx | Eugh - you need to talk to your hosts |
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| 03:12.29 | jpinx | i don't know openvz, but there are issues about stuff being shared between host and guests in lots of vps'smsa |
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| 03:12.59 | Lacrimas | xen probably upgrades a lot better, seeing as it has its own kernel |
| 03:13.04 | jpinx | Lacrimas: I had apantomime to upgrade a xen vps a while ago |
| 03:13.08 | Lacrimas | My xen vps did manage to update last week, which was good |
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| 03:13.47 | jpinx | Lacrimas: sorry dude - it's a windows solution - please contact your network administratpri |
| 03:14.03 | jpinx | *administrator -- even |
| 03:14.04 | Lacrimas | haha, i'll see if i can get it rebuilt as debian 5, save me the hassle |
| 03:14.19 | adb | jimi_c: aware that debian 5.0.2 is released, i guess |
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| 03:14.30 | jpinx | Lacrimas: I'd certainly back everything up - thsi could end badly ;) |
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| 03:15.46 | adb | jimi_c: ask too on #vmware |
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| 03:23.03 | miickee | Hey, I've found with debian when I'm using iceweasel and any video/audio, it uses like 50 - 90% of the CPU :S |
| 03:23.13 | miickee | Is this normal, how can I fix it? |
| 03:23.58 | nsx | when you're viewing video within iceweasel? |
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| 03:24.46 | replaysupport | hi |
| 03:24.56 | replaysupport | can i ask to ask or just ask str8away? |
| 03:25.11 | jpinx | miickee: depends on your hardware - but my old laptop is like that too |
| 03:25.29 | replaysupport | hi. why do i i get a syntax error near '; ' ---> $> servercommand &; echo hello world | grep hello , i use the & because otherwise i get stuck with the "server started" message and no return to prompt. |
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| 03:26.24 | Joelito | question..I'm using lenny and my xorg.conf file is empty...is this normal? |
| 03:26.26 | nsx | it seems like no matter what computer I'm on, it's always like that if flash is being used |
| 03:26.40 | adb | Joelito: yes |
| 03:26.59 | jpinx | miickee: i get around it by clive ing the videos and watching them with vlc or similar |
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| 03:27.18 | jpinx | nsx: flash sucks |
| 03:27.59 | replaysupport | why is this wrong (syntax error near ';' ) : > startmyserver &; echo 'hello world' | grep world |
| 03:28.10 | nsx | jpinx: yes well some of us enjoy viewing youtube and hulu |
| 03:28.32 | jpinx | nsx: I watch youtube by using clive |
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| 03:28.44 | jpinx | dunno wha thulu is |
| 03:28.49 | Joelito | adb: ok..my problem is I'm trying to create a Device section for my intel card, on next reboot, "X" crashes -.- |
| 03:29.23 | nsx | I don't know what clive is |
| 03:29.38 | nsx | hulu has a bunch of TV shows you can watch online for free (with 30 second ads) |
| 03:29.39 | jpinx | judd: versions clive |
| 03:29.40 | judd | jpinx: clive -- etch-backports: 0.4.14-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.4.18-1 sid: 1.0.2-1 sid: 2.2.0-1 squeeze: 2.2.0-1 |
| 03:29.42 | adb | Joelito: than custom xorg.conf |
| 03:29.46 | jpinx | !clive |
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| 03:30.34 | nsx | jpinx: it's just another video extraction utility? how useful is that if you want to actually browse the site? |
| 03:30.36 | jpinx | nsx: can you not find the playlist file for the TV show and watch it in vlc or mplayer? |
| 03:30.40 | Joelito | adb: I can't...X crashes :( |
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| 03:30.42 | adb | Joelito: lspci -nn | grep VGA, says ? |
| 03:31.12 | jpinx | nsx - be inventive, browse the site and download the ones you want |
| 03:31.19 | adb | Joelito: use tty1 and so .. |
| 03:31.30 | replaysupport | hello |
| 03:31.33 | replaysupport | why is this wrong (syntax error near ';' ) : > startmyserver &; echo 'hello world' | grep world |
| 03:31.33 | Joelito | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:29c2] (rev 02) |
| 03:31.41 | nsx | jpinx: I'd be shocked if clive worked with hulu |
| 03:31.43 | adb | replaysupport: stop it |
| 03:31.57 | nsx | jpinx: to me youtube is about browsing different videos to see what you want |
| 03:32.02 | replaysupport | adb: ... |
| 03:32.03 | nsx | e.g., looking at live music performances |
| 03:32.09 | adb | reask in say 30 min |
| 03:32.09 | jpinx | nsx: like I said - I've never tried hulu |
| 03:32.17 | adb | replaysupport: ^^ |
| 03:32.37 | replaysupport | adb: ^^ |
| 03:32.38 | nsx | I've always wondered how to get http://m.youtube.com working in a PC web browser though |
| 03:32.42 | jpinx | nsx: get a faster box then ;) |
| 03:32.50 | mimiloon | how do i get the latest version of softwares in debian, some of the versions of software in the repository is outdated |
| 03:32.55 | replaysupport | i want youtube.com in a EDTV |
| 03:32.57 | nsx | jpinx, my computer is fast enough |
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| 03:33.14 | nsx | flash seems to use at least 50% CPU no matter what machine it's run on |
| 03:33.15 | jpinx | mimiloon: what are yu running? |
| 03:33.16 | replaysupport | ED3DTV (projected) |
| 03:33.29 | jpinx | nsx - welcome to flash ;) |
| 03:33.43 | mimiloon | jpinx: lenny |
| 03:33.55 | jpinx | mimiloon: and what's the problem? |
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| 03:34.04 | Joelito | abrotman: there? |
| 03:35.30 | extor | Does the debian pxe install use anything similar to a kickstart file for full automatic or semi automatic install? |
| 03:36.02 | nsx | I don't remember it being any different than the netinstall |
| 03:36.13 | mimiloon | jpinx: i'm trying to install the latest version of fwbuilder but the version is outdated in the repository and some other software are old versions to, is there a way to get these updated to the latest version of the software? |
| 03:36.28 | adb | extor: /msg dpkg netboot |
| 03:37.10 | adb | extor: /msg dpkg fai |
| 03:37.10 | jpinx | mimiloon: backports? |
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| 03:37.21 | jpinx | !tell mimiloon about backports |
| 03:37.36 | jpinx | !tell mimiloon about ssb |
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| 03:37.44 | extor | It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat <--- I like that part :) |
| 03:37.52 | jpinx | judd: versions fwbuilder |
| 03:37.53 | judd | jpinx: fwbuilder -- etch: 2.0.9-1.2 lenny: 2.1.19-6 sid: 3.0.5-2 squeeze: 3.0.5-2 |
| 03:38.07 | adb | extor: yes |
| 03:38.12 | mimiloon | jpinx: i have added backports to the repository but i still cant find the latest version of some software |
| 03:38.31 | extor | Does FAI also work well with ubuntu? I happen to be running an ubuntu desktop right now but I want to install a debian server via PXE |
| 03:38.34 | jpinx | mimiloon: be soecific - what aplications and what versions? |
| 03:38.42 | adb | extor: yes |
| 03:38.52 | jpinx | *specific |
| 03:39.38 | adb | extor: yes read/ask his mailing list |
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| 03:40.29 | jpinx | mimiloon: use the search in debian.org and then use backports or simple sid backports as necessary. |
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| 03:41.27 | zaphands | Hello. How do I set up a static ip adress on lenny? |
| 03:41.45 | adb | as usually |
| 03:42.14 | mimiloon | jpinx: the latest version of fwbuilder that i could get my hand on from the repositories is: 2.1.19-6; but i need the latest version because i'm trying to follow a tutorial that has the latest version |
| 03:42.27 | pumukleee | is away (/me balra el) |
| 03:42.33 | mimiloon | jpinx: thanks for the info; i'll give it a shot |
| 03:44.01 | zaphands | changing /etc/network/interfaces and using the gnome network settings doesn't have any effect... |
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| 03:44.40 | adb | zaphands: don't use both , use or one or other |
| 03:45.33 | zaphands | adb: I'm not trying to use both. I'm trying to use either one. |
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| 03:46.41 | adb | zaphands: wifi or wired interface/s ? |
| 03:47.14 | zaphands | adb: wired. |
| 03:48.18 | adb | cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep eth0 , says |
| 03:48.56 | adb | paste on paste.debian.net |
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| 03:50.19 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.17 | adb | zaphands: and why don't use dhcp ? |
| 03:51.31 | zaphands | aha. I see the problem. here it is: http://paste.debian.net/40944/ |
| 03:51.48 | adb | than that's ok |
| 03:52.07 | jpinx | mimiloon: what version number are you looking for? |
| 03:52.36 | zaphands | and the other pastes: http://paste.debian.net/40945/ |
| 03:52.58 | adb | inet addr:192.168.1.7 |
| 03:53.16 | zaphands | http://paste.debian.net/40946/ |
| 03:53.54 | zaphands | I would like to set up port forwarding in the router, so i can't use dhcp. |
| 03:54.07 | zaphands | I would like 192.168.1.52. |
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| 03:55.27 | adb | ah eth0_rename , /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 03:56.55 | mimiloon | jpinx: it's version 3.0.5 |
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| 03:58.48 | adb | zaphands: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , says ? |
| 03:59.06 | zaphands | adb: 0 |
| 03:59.28 | adb | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 03:59.33 | zaphands | adb: both the files mentioned by dpkg doesn't contain the "_rename" suffix. |
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| 03:59.46 | adb | re do last command |
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| 04:01.58 | nslater | how do I increase the number of workspaces in gnome? |
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| 04:02.23 | nslater | I used to have this set to four, but when I upgraded it changed to two - and I can find no way to change this value |
| 04:02.24 | adb | zaphands: edit too /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 04:03.05 | jpinx | mimiloon: squeeze: 3.0.5-2 |
| 04:03.08 | nsx | hmm clive is a pretty nifty tool... seems to work as well as the firefox flash downloader plugins |
| 04:03.13 | nsx | too bad it doesn't work for hulu :( |
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| 04:03.43 | jpinx | nsx: link for hulu to test? |
| 04:03.51 | nsx | http://www.hulu.com/watch/80942/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-thu-jul-2-2009 |
| 04:03.55 | adb | nslater: tried gnome-control-center ? |
| 04:03.56 | zaphands | adb: What do you mean? |
| 04:04.03 | adb | zaphands: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , says ? |
| 04:04.05 | mimiloon | nslater: right click in the workspace area and preference |
| 04:04.16 | zaphands | adb: now it says 1. 0 before the echo. |
| 04:04.48 | adb | that's do port forwarding on server |
| 04:04.59 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.41 | jpinx | nsx: lots of facebook scripts on that page :( |
| 04:06.03 | nsx | jpinx, I'm pretty sure they put more effort into preventing videos from being ripped off than youtube does |
| 04:06.09 | zaphands | adb: why would I like that? I use a router which needs to do the port forwarding. |
| 04:06.10 | mimiloon | jpinx: so i should upgrade my entire system to squeeze to get the latest package version? |
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| 04:06.19 | jpinx | nsx: and hulu is only available in USA, so I can't test it for you - sorry |
| 04:06.27 | bbelt16ag | starts to pull hairs out one by one |
| 04:06.28 | jpinx | mimiloon: backports |
| 04:06.30 | nsx | yeah because of their advertisers |
| 04:06.43 | nsx | their advertisers will only pay for the US viewing audience |
| 04:06.45 | jpinx | mimiloon: /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:07.10 | nslater | mimiloon: nope, doesnt work |
| 04:07.29 | nslater | mimiloon: i get "show only the current workspace" and "show all workspaces" |
| 04:07.36 | mimiloon | jpinx: squeeze backports? because lenny backports doesn't have it |
| 04:07.37 | nslater | mimiloon: but nothing that lets me change the number of them |
| 04:07.40 | jpinx | mimiloon: and if backports don;t have it yet - do a simple sid backport yourself |
| 04:07.42 | bbelt16ag | anybody know of a app I can either A: mount a ftp server as a directory or B sync my files to a ftp server and use something similar to unison to do just upload of changes? |
| 04:07.49 | bbelt16ag | I gotta use a username and pass though |
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| 04:08.02 | jpinx | mimiloon: backports.org |
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| 04:08.27 | nslater | adb: just tried - doesnt seem to have an option for workspaces |
| 04:08.33 | adb | zaphands: usually a local forwarding on server is needed too |
| 04:09.11 | mimiloon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:09.58 | adb | zaphands: add that line ` echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` to /etc/rc.local , put that before `exit 0` |
| 04:10.11 | mimiloon | jpinx: thanks, i'll give it a shot |
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| 04:11.01 | jpinx | mimiloon: you do *not* have to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 04:12.14 | mimiloon | jpinx: i understand, i'll add the following line to my repositories list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 04:12.17 | adb | zaphands : and restart that machine. assume you verify /correct that file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 04:12.41 | adb | before reboot |
| 04:12.42 | jpinx | mimiloon: follow the instructions on their website |
| 04:13.36 | mimiloon | jpinx: ok |
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| 04:19.32 | Rusty1 | bbelt16ag: sftp ? |
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| 04:25.48 | bbelt16ag | that ssh |
| 04:25.51 | bbelt16ag | I can't use ssh. |
| 04:25.54 | bbelt16ag | need FTP |
| 04:26.41 | Black-Phantom | Hello, when I install new apps I can't find them in the Gnome menu, for example I installed kappfinder but I couldnt locate it in the Gnome menu same thing for Wine. |
| 04:26.59 | Snadder | !debian-multimedia |
| 04:26.59 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 04:27.18 | Snadder | !dmm lenny |
| 04:27.18 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 04:28.26 | Black-Phantom | I compiled them, ddnt use apt |
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| 04:30.21 | EtherNet | Hello |
| 04:30.25 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:32.03 | De_Mon | my english isn't good enough to understand that one |
| 04:32.39 | De_Mon | mintux what is "local" |
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| 04:33.23 | De_Mon | shrugs & wanders off |
| 04:33.34 | Bombaclat | hello. I can't figure out how to increase the number of available workspaces in LEnny. ANy help would be appreciated. |
| 04:34.15 | nslater | Bombaclat: I've got the same problem! |
| 04:34.25 | mintux | De_Mon: sorry my mind is lan |
| 04:34.27 | mintux | LAN |
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| 04:35.12 | De_Mon | so you have 2 computers in lan, and you want to use the computer name to access it instead of ip address/ |
| 04:35.16 | De_Mon | ? |
| 04:35.19 | Bombaclat | in the preferences of the Workspace switcher, there is no option to increase it, and I cannot find it i the system menu |
| 04:35.26 | nslater | Bombaclat: ditto |
| 04:36.53 | mintux | De_Mon: yes more that one computer |
| 04:38.10 | De_Mon | windows can look for netbios name, but I'm pretty sure linux requires a local DNS server |
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| 04:40.51 | Bombaclat | nslater, running compiz also? I think it could be culprit |
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| 04:41.20 | Bombaclat | gonna check |
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| 04:44.33 | Bombaclat | yeah it was compiz..disable it and youll be able to change them |
| 04:46.54 | Snadder | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 04:46.54 | Snadder | 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 04:46.54 | Snadder | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 04:46.58 | Snadder | Why do I get this? |
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| 04:49.35 | nslater | Bombaclat: so, what's that a bug with? |
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| 04:54.07 | Bombaclat | stop compiz, then set your number of workspaces, then restart compiz, thats how I did it |
| 04:54.20 | unop | Snadder, apt probably doesn't know of this key. where do you get this? |
| 04:54.33 | Snadder | unop, when I do apt-get update |
| 04:55.22 | unop | Snadder, run this then (as root). gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B; gpg --armor --export 9AA38DCD55BE302B | apt-key add - |
| 04:56.11 | Sashi | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext << which dep provides that lib? |
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| 04:56.43 | Sashi | nvm :) |
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| 04:59.36 | Sashi | actualyl nvm that.. |
| 04:59.44 | unop | Sashi, libxext-dev |
| 05:00.01 | Sashi | ah cool |
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| 05:06.24 | Snadder | unop, thanks! |
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| 05:29.34 | faffi | How do i restore the default config to xorg? |
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| 05:30.29 | Skapare | for proftpd, should I install package "proftpd" or "proftpd-basic" ? ... from the description it seems "proftpd-basic" is what I want (since I don't need any of the 3 database modules the other options involve) |
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| 05:32.50 | Skapare | when I try to install "proftpd" it just marks "proftpd-basic" and the 3 module packages to be installed ... I don't want those 3 modules |
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| 05:33.54 | hphubert | hi |
| 05:34.41 | hphubert | I've got a question:What should i install if i want user power button for shut down or halt? |
| 05:34.48 | hphubert | *use |
| 05:35.40 | hphubert | my motherboard support an acpi, this computer hasn't got any X servers |
| 05:36.41 | Skapare | hmmm ... now aptitude is just totally screwed up |
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| 05:37.05 | Skapare | it wants me to install a zillion packages every time I try to run it to uninstall proftpd |
| 05:37.37 | Skapare | WTF does it think xen is a dependency for UNinstalling proftpd? |
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| 05:41.37 | yacyac | hello |
| 05:41.39 | yacyac | anyone around |
| 05:42.14 | acutedeath | i'm square, sorry |
| 05:42.22 | yacyac | lol |
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| 05:43.12 | Skapare | wants to be a triangle |
| 05:43.12 | yacyac | acutedeath... what kind of partition system should i keep for my debian installation |
| 05:43.12 | Skapare | my cousin is an oval, does that count? |
| 05:43.12 | at0m|c | Skapare: maybe this: aptitude > options > prefs > disable install recommends |
| 05:43.38 | at0m|c | you might want to revert that after.. |
| 05:43.39 | Skapare | at0m: that does what? how do I enter those commands? |
| 05:43.45 | Skapare | revert what? |
| 05:43.56 | at0m|c | just run aptitude without command options |
| 05:43.58 | acutedeath | yacyac: partition system? I usually just have a strategy, likes... |
| 05:44.03 | Skapare | I think my apt database is corrupt |
| 05:44.12 | Skapare | I do have backups |
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| 05:44.22 | yacyac | acutedeath i mean the size |
| 05:44.27 | Skapare | I need to know what files to restore from backup |
| 05:44.36 | hphubert | I've got a question:What should i install if i want user power button for shut down or halt? |
| 05:44.49 | yacyac | and what all partition are required |
| 05:45.01 | yacyac | i have a 18gb space |
| 05:45.03 | acutedeath | yacyac: trying to share an HD with multiple OS's? |
| 05:45.32 | Skapare | how do I get to "aptitude > options" ? |
| 05:45.45 | Skapare | I start aptitude ... what to press to get there? |
| 05:46.26 | Skapare | sheesh ... this is messed up ... it wants to uninstall my kernel |
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| 05:47.06 | Skapare | 105 packages to be uninstalled |
| 05:47.10 | Skapare | that's not right |
| 05:47.21 | acutedeath | yacyac: I always miscalculate when I divvy up my debian installation. Unless you have a strong opinion about distributing your space, just do a tmpfs and a root... could be less-than-great advice though |
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| 05:47.38 | yacyac | acutedeath yes... i have already install vista |
| 05:47.56 | Skapare | at0m|c: I run it without command line options ... I don't know how to get to "aptitude > options" |
| 05:48.06 | acutedeath | yacyac: with only 18GB to go around, that's hard to share w/ vista |
| 05:48.31 | Skapare | at0m|c: but I think I need to restore the db ... it seems to be corrupt ... each time I start "aptitude" it wants to do various randomly different things |
| 05:48.58 | yacyac | i was already running debian.. but one of the partition got full and i was not able to install anything |
| 05:49.42 | acutedeath | yacyac: I gave myself 50GB for XP and 250GB for Debian last time I had to choose. SO far they play nice. |
| 05:50.01 | acutedeath | yacyac: you can't shortchange it, but you don't need tons of space |
| 05:50.49 | yacyac | hmmmmm |
| 05:50.54 | yacyac | i am installing it on my laptop |
| 05:51.00 | yacyac | so i dont have much of an option |
| 05:51.30 | acutedeath | how much space did you allocate for debian to begin with? |
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| 05:51.55 | yacyac | 18gb |
| 05:52.24 | acutedeath | Oh |
| 05:52.33 | yacyac | i guess it is too less |
| 05:52.58 | acutedeath | That's plenty of room for the system, but not much room for data :( |
| 05:55.10 | adb | yacyac: 5 gb for / ~0.5 swap 12 gb for /home |
| 05:56.28 | ajavid | dude sweet |
| 05:56.55 | ajavid | I found this addon for firefox 3.5 that lets me overwrite website headers before page is rendered |
| 05:57.51 | yacyac | adb i am thinking to free up more 25gb and add it |
| 05:57.53 | ajavid | now I can totally remove <HTTP-EQUIV="PRAGMA" CONTENT="NO-CACHE"> headers like this, the ones for the apache module that dictate caching, and voila, everything is cached |
| 05:58.03 | ajavid | I also increased the size of my cache to 4gb |
| 05:58.27 | ajavid | now every youtube video is cached, and this other addon called Net Video Hunter creates a list of videos as you watch them |
| 05:58.50 | ajavid | and then just right click move from cache to ~/youtubevideos and it also names it properly too, like artist album song etc. |
| 05:58.54 | adb | yacyac: add that new to home/ only than |
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| 05:59.14 | ajavid | a lot of video websites send headers that won't let you cache flv or mp4 videos |
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| 05:59.29 | ajavid | pissed me off, so all day today i looked for a way and finally hacked it out |
| 06:00.04 | adb | ajavid: talking alone ? |
| 06:00.05 | ajavid | cuz once you watch the video, and then its obiousyl not cached, you try a video downloading addon, and it starts the downoad over again |
| 06:00.08 | ajavid | that was the thing... |
| 06:00.14 | ajavid | adb, wtf are you doing here? |
| 06:00.18 | ajavid | ioh no shit |
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| 06:00.23 | ajavid | oops this is #debian |
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| 06:00.38 | ajavid | mistakenly thought irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 06:00.39 | ajavid | my bad. |
| 06:00.59 | sunru | irc the original twitter |
| 06:01.21 | acutedeath | sunru: :D |
| 06:01.26 | ajavid | anyway |
| 06:01.30 | ajavid | how is it going? |
| 06:01.43 | yacyac | 5gb for root is enough ? |
| 06:01.48 | adb | yes |
| 06:01.54 | sunru | lvm |
| 06:02.01 | yacyac | but all the installation happpens in it right |
| 06:02.16 | sunru | lvm all the way |
| 06:02.19 | liable | i have found 5g a little too small for a desktop |
| 06:02.24 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.27 | ajavid | really? |
| 06:02.38 | adb | yacyac: ^^ |
| 06:02.42 | ajavid | my desktop runs 2gb and 28gb /home |
| 06:03.02 | Pointless | jaja |
| 06:03.03 | sunru | i think 200mb is fine for root |
| 06:03.06 | sunru | :) |
| 06:03.07 | ajavid | 250 |
| 06:03.10 | ajavid | !mmhr |
| 06:03.10 | dpkg | it has been said that mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 5.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 06:03.20 | ajavid | actually close to 300 iirc |
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| 06:03.59 | sunru | whats the maximum number of partitions lvm can have? |
| 06:04.10 | ajavid | A standard installation for the i386 architecture, including all standard packages and using the default 2.6 kernel, takes up 397MB of disk space. A minimal base installation, without the âStandard systemâ task selected, will take 250MB. |
| 06:04.15 | adb | ajavid: i have a running debian system on 50 MB .. |
| 06:04.38 | ajavid | adb, thats great |
| 06:04.46 | sunru | you can go lighter |
| 06:04.50 | sunru | yeh |
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| 06:04.58 | ajavid | yeh well |
| 06:05.00 | ajavid | I'm so cool |
| 06:05.06 | ajavid | I installed debian in my thoughts. |
| 06:05.12 | ajavid | super fast, super light. stfu. |
| 06:05.13 | ajavid | :D |
| 06:05.16 | sunru | business iso is small. |
| 06:05.33 | sunru | thats what I used for sid. |
| 06:05.38 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 06:05.47 | ajavid | D.2. Disk Space Needed for Tasks |
| 06:05.57 | sunru | and after you've burned it and installed sid you must destroy it :) |
| 06:06.08 | sunru | withing 24hours :) |
| 06:06.35 | ajavid | I only download a maximum of 5MB tops in order to start a debian sid installation directly |
| 06:06.40 | ajavid | :) |
| 06:06.56 | ajavid | !netboot |
| 06:06.57 | dpkg | from memory, netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
| 06:07.37 | sunru | cool |
| 06:08.20 | sunru | !hp-helper |
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| 06:09.29 | adb | debhelper ? |
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| 06:09.52 | yacyac | i use kde |
| 06:10.00 | Triumph | Newb => yacyac. |
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| 06:10.16 | yacyac | yea |
| 06:10.17 | yacyac | lol |
| 06:10.22 | Triumph | >:P |
| 06:10.35 | sunru | adb: too me ages to find the hp management tools for debian. |
| 06:10.39 | sunru | took |
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| 06:11.44 | adb | sunru: have we discussed about it few days ago ? |
| 06:11.53 | sunru | i think so |
| 06:11.58 | adb | ok |
| 06:12.28 | adb | now is ok , on lenny |
| 06:12.34 | adb | ? |
| 06:13.09 | sunru | hp have debian packages that work fine. |
| 06:13.15 | sunru | on lenny |
| 06:13.24 | adb | great |
| 06:13.26 | ajavid | hp sells debian and supports it |
| 06:13.30 | sunru | yeh awesome. |
| 06:13.30 | ajavid | so yeah |
| 06:14.07 | sunru | i know, maybe i'm a moron. |
| 06:14.15 | ajavid | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/linux/linuxcommunity/index.html |
| 06:14.17 | extor | Is #fai defunct? dkpg told me to go there but it rerouted to #unavailable |
| 06:14.38 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.44 | ajavid | http://h20219.www2.hp.com/services/cache/442406-0-0-225-121.html |
| 06:14.53 | ajavid | on select server hardware |
| 06:15.01 | ajavid | if you buy thier servers with debian you buy support |
| 06:15.07 | adb | extor: use maling list , instead |
| 06:15.14 | ajavid | dell is of course stupid so they sell ubuntu |
| 06:15.15 | ajavid | morons. |
| 06:15.24 | ajavid | anyway, im going my tummy aches./ |
| 06:15.27 | sunru | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=US&swItem=MTX-9879191f26b94273b175827110 |
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| 06:15.42 | sunru | cut to the chase |
| 06:15.43 | sunru | :) |
| 06:15.58 | ajavid | debian also itself supports hp here |
| 06:16.01 | ajavid | (not official) |
| 06:16.22 | ajavid | http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant |
| 06:16.46 | adb | sunru: /msg dpkg tinyurl |
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| 06:18.25 | sunru | are hp's better than dells? |
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| 06:19.07 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.09 | extor | Can kickstart scripts install OSes other than centos via PXE? Or are kickstart scripts for centos/rh use only? |
| 06:19.48 | adb | extor: ask centos/rh |
| 06:19.50 | extor | I have a knoppix server setup serving PXE all nice and set, just want to install debian via netboot now but would like to automate most of it |
| 06:20.13 | extor | So kickstart scripts have not been adopted by the debian community? |
| 06:20.21 | adb | no |
| 06:21.25 | adb | extor: what you trying to install , cluster ..? |
| 06:21.28 | extor | Does debian have an equivalent |
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| 06:21.43 | adb | as said FAI |
| 06:21.45 | extor | adb no I just keep repeatedly installing debian on various servers and just want to speed the process up |
| 06:21.54 | extor | Yeah FAI doesnt seem very well supported |
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| 06:22.24 | jpinx | extor there are verious ways to do repeat installations - see debian.org |
| 06:23.08 | adb | !preseed |
| 06:23.08 | dpkg | i guess preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. |
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| 06:24.15 | extor | I'm also running ubuntu at my desktop unfortunately--not sure if they have a fair .deb or not |
| 06:24.35 | jpinx | different OS extor not compatible |
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| 06:24.49 | extor | yikes |
| 06:25.27 | acutedeath | I've decided to "slow down" my sid systems to only squeeze updates, since they are fairly stable and I'd like to keep them so. Are there any big problems with this strategy? |
| 06:26.09 | jpinx | !downgrade |
| 06:26.09 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 06:26.19 | jpinx | acutedeath: ^^ |
| 06:26.27 | sunru | haha |
| 06:26.34 | sunru | has sid on his desktop |
| 06:26.44 | sunru | lenny is on desktops at work. |
| 06:27.17 | sunru | didn't notice differences with sid on the desktop. |
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| 06:28.34 | acutedeath | well, it's not like I'm trying to downgrade. I just want to slow down to only squeeze updates. So I've got lenny, squeeze, and sid versions running around raising hell right now :| But it works OK most of the time |
| 06:29.00 | acutedeath | I just hate it when I update sid stuff and sometime breaks |
| 06:29.00 | jpinx | mixing distros will usually end in tears ;) |
| 06:29.05 | sunru | on one box? |
| 06:29.13 | acutedeath | yeah... |
| 06:29.23 | sunru | cool man go for it. |
| 06:29.35 | acutedeath | not multiple installations, just crazy version mixes |
| 06:29.38 | sunru | :P |
| 06:29.50 | Arrowmaster | acutedeath: have you set APT::Default-Release |
| 06:29.52 | acutedeath | if apt says it's cool, I do it |
| 06:30.15 | acutedeath | Arrowmaster: since I don't know, I'd guess not |
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| 06:30.37 | jpinx | acutedeath: use aptitude - not apt |
| 06:30.46 | acutedeath | I use synaptic mostly |
| 06:31.11 | acutedeath | I guess my abbreviation was excessive |
| 06:31.16 | acutedeath | :) |
| 06:32.06 | acutedeath | with aptitude, I tend to press the wrong key for what I'm trying to achieve, just cause I forget |
| 06:32.10 | Arrowmaster | acutedeath: if you add this line to /etc/apt/apt.conf it should stop giving you sid updates automaticly while still showing them in aptitude and etc |
| 06:32.17 | Arrowmaster | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
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| 06:32.58 | acutedeath | Arrowmaster: thank you for the info. |
| 06:33.41 | VanRoy | Hello all ! I've installed Firefox 3.5 via a wget ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-1.9.1/firefox-3.5pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 |
| 06:33.42 | acutedeath | I merely changed my repository settings to squeeze, so now I have tons of packages listed as "local or obsolete" under synaptic |
| 06:34.14 | VanRoy | I do not know how I can configuer launch schortcuts for FireFox 3.5 ? |
| 06:34.14 | adb | VanRoy: ask #firefox |
| 06:34.33 | VanRoy | on Debian Lenny Gnome |
| 06:34.36 | Arrowmaster | ah you changed the old entry to squeeze? try changing it back then adding a new one for squeeze |
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| 06:35.52 | acutedeath | Arrowmaster: so what will be the result of the new setting and the sid entry, and the squeeze entry? will it de-obsolete my package database? |
| 06:36.27 | acutedeath | I'd better fire up my "less important" system for some experiments |
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| 06:37.22 | spal | I get this error while trying to check out a project: anyone has faced this error while trying to check out: svn: OPTIONS of 'https://quickqwerty.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quickqwerty': could not connect to server (https://quickqwerty.svn.sourceforge.net) ? I am using Squeeze and I have upgraded svn several times after the last time I used it. |
| 06:37.26 | spal | could it be a problem with svn? |
| 06:37.39 | Arrowmaster | acutedeath: packages are listed a local or obsolete if they arent listed on the server anymore, which would happen if you switch between one of the different releases |
| 06:38.17 | acutedeath | Arrowmaster: Perfect. This should help it look less broken, at least. :) |
| 06:38.40 | acutedeath | and keep me on my slow downgrade track |
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| 06:45.23 | yacyac | has anyone install debian on dell inspiron 1525 |
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| 06:48.48 | bullgard4 | How can I determine if my computer executed the program xmodmap during startup? |
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| 06:49.16 | liable | because they keys you changed will work? |
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| 06:49.58 | bullgard4 | Thats unreliable my dear liable. |
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| 06:52.42 | liable | kindof obvious though :P |
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| 06:53.06 | bullgard4 | :-) |
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| 06:53.14 | Massimiliano | Hi all |
| 06:53.24 | Massimiliano | I have problem setting up proftpd ! |
| 06:53.55 | Massimiliano | When i try to start it in inetd mode: ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
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| 06:54.20 | liable | did you check /etc/default? |
| 06:54.37 | acutedeath | Arrowmaster: I created the setting entry that you suggested, but synaptic still wants to upgrade to sid versions of everything. Did I miss something, conceptually? |
| 06:55.27 | Massimiliano | ? |
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| 06:56.31 | Massimiliano | when i start it in standalone mode no errors are shows in the console nor in daemon.log |
| 06:56.40 | Massimiliano | but i can't connect to the ftp server |
| 06:56.53 | Massimiliano | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
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| 06:58.47 | sauvin | I have four machines on a router, all using the router as a dhcp server. The machines do not reliably obtain the same IP every time I start the whole mess up. Is there a way to determine who's on, and at what IP, without doing the ssh trial and error thing? |
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| 07:00.19 | jpinx | sauvin: can you not log intot he router and look at the dhcp tables? |
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| 07:01.07 | sauvin | It's one of those little plastic $40 things from Walmart, think it's a Linksys. |
| 07:01.08 | jpinx | sauvin: I have a similar situation and I just log in and look |
| 07:01.37 | jpinx | sauvin: rtfm - there'll be a log in of some sort |
| 07:01.39 | sauvin | Yea, via web. |
| 07:02.06 | sauvin | Cumbersome. |
| 07:02.57 | jpinx | sauvin: mines an https login |
| 07:03.02 | sauvin | Oh, HI! It lists mac addresses! |
| 07:03.16 | sauvin | *THAT* is useful. |
| 07:03.18 | Vonor | sauvin, you should be able to configure the dhcp server on linksys routers to either have longer lease times or assign ip's to mac addresses |
| 07:03.20 | jpinx | which is better - login or grope around with ssh? |
| 07:03.41 | jpinx | doh! |
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| 07:03.49 | sauvin | Vonor, static IP is certainly possible, but these are laptops. I'd rather not. |
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| 07:04.04 | jpinx | sauvin get's tonight's wooden spoon! ;) |
| 07:04.19 | yacyac | anyone used dell inspiron 1525 |
| 07:04.22 | sauvin | Wooden spoon? |
| 07:04.29 | jpinx | yacyac: ask! |
| 07:04.31 | jpinx | !ask |
| 07:04.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:04.55 | sauvin | Hrm... a programmatic way to grab the active IP table from the router...? |
| 07:04.57 | jpinx | sauvin: do the homework *before* irc - not during ;) |
| 07:05.12 | sauvin | It's a question that just now occurred to me to ask. :D |
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| 07:05.46 | Vonor | sauvin, what does it matter if it is a laptop or a thick client? |
| 07:06.19 | Vonor | tell the dhcp server to assign the same ip to the same mac address everytime and you're done :) |
| 07:06.26 | sauvin | Laptops travel, and their destination environments are (to say the least) unpredictable. |
| 07:06.47 | sauvin | ... to the same mac address... can that be done? |
| 07:06.49 | sauvin | snoops |
| 07:07.08 | Vonor | if they travel they obviously are not connected to the same router anymore, so where's the issue? |
| 07:07.16 | Vonor | the clients stay dhcp |
| 07:09.27 | sauvin | IF it's tied to *mac address* on this router's end, there *is* no issue. |
| 07:09.33 | sauvin | I'm trying to find it. |
| 07:09.58 | Sashi | hey is rsyslogd really needed? |
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| 07:10.29 | Massimiliano | An help with proftpd? It doesn't start in standalone nor in inetd mode |
| 07:10.42 | yacyac | has anyone install dell wireless 1395 wifi card |
| 07:10.57 | at0m|c | Massimiliano: just a wild guess - tried /etc/default/proftp* ? |
| 07:11.24 | Massimiliano | what should i do with /etc/default/proftp* ? |
| 07:11.25 | Vonor | Sashi, i wondered that myself too, why does debian not offer a choice of which syslogd to install at installation time? :D |
| 07:11.46 | Sashi | one more thing |
| 07:11.57 | Sashi | how can i do a perm ulimit -s? |
| 07:11.57 | at0m|c | Massimiliano: see if it doesn't say something like "run=0" |
| 07:12.38 | at0m|c | Massimiliano: quite some services have such a thing to make sure you first configure them properly before you start them |
| 07:12.57 | uwe | hello, im running xen , both dom0 and domU are 5.0.1(lenny) ! when running apt-get in domU, it freezes ! any idea why this might happen; not the system freezes, just the terminal (ssh) that i run apt-get in ...) |
| 07:13.17 | Massimiliano | only inetd is connected to the port 21 |
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| 07:13.22 | Massimiliano | but i can't stop it |
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| 07:15.36 | Massimiliano | what is the most basic ftp server for linux? i mean, zero-configuration.. |
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| 07:16.25 | kampala | vsftpd |
| 07:16.31 | stranger01 | Hello. Anyone owns a system with an AMD Athlon TF-20 processor? If yes, can you check your /proc/cpuinfo file? Can you locate the svm flag? |
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| 07:19.32 | Massimiliano | I killed inetd and now it works !!! |
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| 07:22.39 | Skapare | I posted info on the dpkg db corruption on http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/ in case someone wants to look at it there |
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| 07:25.18 | Skapare | basically, I just want to restore the dpkg db from daily system backups |
| 07:25.53 | sauvin | It seems my Linksys BEFSR41 cannot assign IP by mac address. |
| 07:26.11 | Skapare | can it run OpenWRT? |
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| 07:27.00 | sauvin | No clue. I'm not brave enough to gut it. |
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| 07:27.34 | NiLon | ps ux shows mem % but I get it in bytes |
| 07:28.07 | NiLon | or is it that VSZ value |
| 07:28.34 | Skapare | sauvin: in most cases those limitations are product marketing decisions implemented in software |
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| 07:29.23 | sauvin | I would fully expect that a great deal of what we're talking about is in the software, and not in the electronics. You make perfect sense. |
| 07:30.05 | sauvin | I'm *considering* trying the other router. |
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| 07:30.55 | Skapare | the electronics is just a small computer with a few select interfaces built in ... the rest is software ... it's not likely able to be a music player due to lack of audio hardware ... but if it had that ... :) |
| 07:31.24 | sauvin | Yup. It's basically a dedicated CPU with some encoder/decoder electronics. |
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| 07:32.12 | Skapare | I wish they made more general purpose little boxes like that, and fully open so people can put whatever they want on them ... I believe they would sell well |
| 07:32.15 | sauvin | finds a manual and decides to scan it |
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| 07:34.28 | sauvin | Gah! The manual assumes I know something more than just "flip this switch and magic happens!" |
| 07:34.36 | g00se | NiLon: VSZ & RSS are shown in KiB |
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| 07:36.05 | NiLon | g00se and seems like it's not "real" usage, it includes shared libs and stuff so need to figure something else |
| 07:36.09 | Skapare | sauvin: there are no menus that hold your hand? |
| 07:36.23 | sauvin | there are, but none that suggest what I'm looking for. |
| 07:36.36 | sauvin | None that I can see, anyway. |
| 07:36.46 | sauvin | And googling around suggests what I'm looking for isn't common in consumer routers. |
| 07:36.49 | Skapare | sauvin: is it at least working by assigning IPs from a dynamic pool? |
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| 07:37.07 | sauvin | OH, hell, yes. Trouble is, I can't predict who is going to get what IP. |
| 07:37.16 | g00se | sauvin: why don't you just choose the IP yourself for each box you're interested in? |
| 07:37.18 | Skapare | probably isn't common |
| 07:37.39 | sauvin | g00se, if these machines never moved, I would. They're laptops. They really want to be dhcp. |
| 07:37.57 | Skapare | I didn't even try to do it on mine ... can't remember if it could or not ... but I didn't want my LAN to depending on the router to get IPs |
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| 07:38.24 | g00se | sauvin: I use dhcp. Doesn't stop me choosing fixed addresses where i want them though |
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| 07:39.04 | Skapare | so what I did was just shrink the dynamic pool on the router, leaving me a big chunk of un-purposed IPs, and I configured computers on my LAN with static IPs out of that portion of the private IP address range |
| 07:39.08 | Skapare | and that works |
| 07:39.14 | sauvin | Not that big a deal. If I can't figure out how to get the MAC address table in the router via some other means, I'll just brute force some kind of detection thing in perl. |
| 07:39.53 | Skapare | why can't you just configure the computers with a static IP and leave it that way? |
| 07:40.05 | sauvin | ::sigh:: |
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| 07:41.01 | Skapare | these laptops need to move to where other routers are used, and get other IPs from there? |
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| 07:41.28 | sauvin | Yup. |
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| 07:41.38 | Skapare | I statically configured my servers and desktops ... laptops just get dynamic IP |
| 07:42.28 | sauvin | wonders if the other router has such provisions and goes to see |
| 07:42.31 | Skapare | IPv6 will eliminate this problem ... but they will want to charge more to support IPv6 for the next couple decades |
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| 07:46.44 | sauvin | I could have sworn the mother was a router. It isn't. It's a cable modem. Abandon project. |
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| 07:47.23 | lelu_ | sauvin: i have a netgear DG834G and it allows me to set up fixed I.P's to mac addresses |
| 07:47.35 | sauvin | It's wired? |
| 07:48.10 | lelu_ | wired? |
| 07:48.25 | sauvin | Oh, no, it isn't. I'm a cable rat. I don't like wireless. |
| 07:48.43 | lelu_ | oh yes it has four 10/100 ports plus wireless |
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| 07:49.16 | sauvin | Ah! |
| 07:49.22 | sauvin | Can the wireless part be turned off? |
| 07:49.26 | lelu_ | the set up is under LAN IP setup |
| 07:49.31 | lelu_ | yes you can turn off wireless |
| 07:49.38 | Skapare | he wants to do the dedicated IP assignments over wireless |
| 07:49.49 | sauvin | Nope, wired. No wireless. |
| 07:49.54 | Skapare | prefers wireless for lightning protection |
| 07:50.23 | lelu_ | Skapare: once the address reservation table is set up it works on the routers wired and wireless ports |
| 07:50.23 | g00se | sauvin: Looks like that kit doesn't support MAC address involvement in dhcp |
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| 07:50.29 | sauvin | Yea, but I hear too many stories about bandwidth being hijacked. |
| 07:50.31 | Skapare | uses wireless between cable modem and LAN for the physical isolation, even though it's only 3 meters apart |
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| 07:50.59 | cahoot | Skapare: isn't lightning wireless in itself? |
| 07:51.22 | Skapare | enabled security ... the neighbors would not know how to hack |
| 07:51.34 | sauvin | I think he's talking about eliminating a vector for surge damage to the computers themselves. A router is a very cheap and easy thing to replace. |
| 07:51.55 | Skapare | cahoot: yeah, but it has limitations ... it's not going to hit my computers unless metal leads it here |
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| 07:52.41 | Skapare | sauvin: indeed ... and I already have a backup router ... and it's already configured to go and tested |
| 07:52.56 | lelu_ | right im off to work, ttyl |
| 07:53.23 | Skapare | sauvin: if lightning hits, I just have to call the cable company to replace the modem, and I put on a new router, and there be packets |
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| 07:54.16 | sauvin | I have a backup cable modem. I just call the ISP, give them my new MAC address, and I'm off. |
| 07:54.40 | sauvin | but I've just discovered I have no backup router. I intend to remedy this very quickly., |
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| 08:00.41 | yacyac | hello... i have debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1 .. can i install this and then update it to stable one ? |
| 08:01.02 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible to track core-affinity in a multi-threaded application and stat it in real time, ie any suggestions how to do that? |
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| 08:01.13 | Sashi | for SSH motd how can I make it so it says Hello <username of person sshing> |
| 08:02.04 | dutchfish | yacyac, also it is possible, you might run into trouble because of the kernel is probably not the same |
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| 08:03.25 | dutchfish | Sashi, you dont need motd for that |
| 08:03.43 | dutchfish | Sashi, man on .bashrc |
| 08:04.01 | dutchfish | Sashi, google prolly has manu examples |
| 08:04.07 | dutchfish | s/manu/many |
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| 08:06.12 | dutchfish | Sashi, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/sample-bashrc.html |
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| 08:09.54 | spal | any iTunes like software for Shuffle available on Debian? |
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| 08:12.22 | sander_ | Which file do I need to keep when i'm reinstalling so I dont need to update the ssh hosts file on all my other machines? |
| 08:13.12 | dutchfish | sander_, you mean the knownhost file? |
| 08:13.22 | sander_ | Yes |
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| 08:13.52 | sander_ | which sshd config file do I need to keep? |
| 08:13.57 | dutchfish | sander_, ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 08:14.11 | sander_ | dutchfish, no.. I mean on the server side |
| 08:14.30 | sander_ | So all my clients dosnt need to update their known_hosts file |
| 08:14.42 | dutchfish | sander_, ah ic |
| 08:15.15 | dutchfish | sander_, have a peak in /etc/ssh ;) |
| 08:15.24 | liable | !ping |
| 08:15.24 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you are online. |
| 08:15.55 | dutchfish | sander_, the key and pub files |
| 08:17.02 | dutchfish | sander_, but thats not the whole story ... |
| 08:18.26 | dutchfish | sander_, http://bsdwiki.reedmedia.net/wiki/Preserve_existing_SSH_host_keys_during_a_system_upgrade.html |
| 08:19.36 | yacyac | dutchfish cant i replace the kernal later ? |
| 08:19.53 | yacyac | once i am up and running |
| 08:20.04 | dutchfish | yacyac, if your net-install image is not to far of track yes you can |
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| 08:20.52 | yacyac | dutchfish right now i just want to get up and running then i can eventually reinstall the kernal.. thats what my plan is.. |
| 08:20.55 | sander_ | dutchfish, thanks! |
| 08:20.56 | dutchfish | yacyac, also examine /etc/apt/sourceslist before you update and upugrade because you will likely want to point it to lenny |
| 08:21.11 | dutchfish | sander_, yw |
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| 08:21.44 | yacyac | dutchfish first i will just install and come online.. then i will ask for some help on getting the files updated and point to lenny |
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| 08:22.53 | dutchfish | yacyac, yes, as long as you dont update/upgrade before that because testing is now something dif then lenny was testing (squeeze) |
| 08:24.04 | dutchfish | yacyac, the best is to catch the latest stable net-install however |
| 08:24.17 | dutchfish | yacyac, its not that big |
| 08:24.21 | yacyac | i know |
| 08:24.28 | g00se | yacyac: Just install the base system only |
| 08:24.40 | yacyac | but ... i have to get online soon.. |
| 08:24.48 | yacyac | to finish my work |
| 08:25.06 | yacyac | my speed is not that high |
| 08:25.12 | yacyac | i get like 20kbps download |
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| 08:25.14 | dutchfish | nods |
| 08:25.18 | g00se | yacyac: You'll have to ignore options offering to install a desktop etc, for you |
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| 08:26.34 | dutchfish | yacyac, but ... the base system got so much overhauled that you wont safe much bandwidth in respect to getting latest net-install... rem that |
| 08:28.59 | yacyac | i know |
| 08:29.16 | yacyac | cant i just update the whole system |
| 08:29.41 | dutchfish | yacyac, tip delve into jigdo to automatically fetch latets netinstall (cronjob) and have at hand when you need it, like i do |
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| 08:30.20 | dutchfish | yacyac, yes you can but it wont save much bandwidth that way |
| 08:30.27 | g00se | yacyac: My point was made so that there will be as little to *replace* as possible |
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| 08:30.41 | dutchfish | g00se, right |
| 08:30.48 | yacyac | i know... |
| 08:31.32 | yacyac | i guess i will download it |
| 08:31.33 | dutchfish | yacyac, jigdo can save massive bandwidth if used properly |
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| 08:31.44 | yacyac | tell me how do i use it |
| 08:32.04 | dutchfish | yacyac, well install it and read the docs, its all in there |
| 08:32.05 | yacyac | i have never used jigdo |
| 08:32.11 | yacyac | alright |
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| 08:32.39 | dutchfish | yacyac, http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 08:32.44 | yacyac | where do i need to install jigdo |
| 08:33.07 | valdyn | yacyac: at that download speed you should probably buy debian dvds |
| 08:33.20 | dutchfish | valdyn, good point |
| 08:33.22 | yacyac | not available arund |
| 08:33.37 | valdyn | yacyac: not available? uh? |
| 08:34.32 | yacyac | debian cds where i live |
| 08:34.43 | dutchfish | valdyn, many 3th world countries i visit have the same problem, hence i use jigdo |
| 08:34.44 | valdyn | yacyac: you do have a postal service where you live |
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| 08:34.50 | yacyac | yes |
| 08:35.01 | yacyac | i am downloading jigdo lite for windows |
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| 08:35.23 | valdyn | i like jigdo, but its not going to change that he has orders of magnitude to slow network access |
| 08:35.36 | yacyac | hehehe |
| 08:35.37 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes |
| 08:35.53 | yacyac | i have made my mind now |
| 08:35.54 | yacyac | lol |
| 08:35.56 | yacyac | i will just download it |
| 08:35.57 | yacyac | lol |
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| 08:36.39 | Sashi | how can i get it so that a sript looks for a directoriy if it doesnt exisit it executs a command |
| 08:36.48 | Sashi | script, directory, exist * |
| 08:36.52 | Sashi | executes* |
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| 08:37.04 | dutchfish | my main reasons for jigdo: i can use it when i need it, no waiting for mail orders (that takes weeks sometimes) i can use bandwidth with it during night |
| 08:37.37 | fujimitsu | he owned you with the whole "3th world country" thing |
| 08:37.52 | yacyac | i am using jigdo |
| 08:38.01 | dutchfish | :) |
| 08:38.07 | yacyac | i have dell inspiron 1525 |
| 08:38.15 | yacyac | intel core 2 duo chip laptop |
| 08:38.23 | yacyac | which one should i download |
| 08:38.27 | yacyac | i386 ? |
| 08:38.39 | valdyn | yacyac: yea |
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| 08:38.59 | yacyac | alrifht |
| 08:39.07 | yacyac | the stable 5.0.2 ? |
| 08:39.12 | yacyac | or lenny testing |
| 08:39.12 | dutchfish | yes |
| 08:39.17 | dutchfish | lenny |
| 08:39.24 | g00se | Sashi: test -d alskjalksjd || echo 'Not there!' |
| 08:39.26 | enouf | dutchfish: good to see ya - just waving aloha ;-) |
| 08:39.29 | dutchfish | not testing |
| 08:39.30 | valdyn | yacyac: lenny is not testing |
| 08:39.42 | dutchfish | waves back to enouf |
| 08:39.46 | Sashi | g00se O.o? |
| 08:39.52 | yacyac | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 08:40.00 | yacyac | this one you are talking about ? |
| 08:40.19 | g00se | Sashi: ? |
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| 08:40.50 | yacyac | dutchfish is that lenny ? |
| 08:40.58 | dutchfish | yacyac, yes |
| 08:41.02 | dutchfish | !lenny |
| 08:41.02 | dpkg | well, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.2>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 08:41.26 | g00se | 'binoculars'? |
| 08:41.46 | dutchfish | g00se, yes from toystory |
| 08:41.55 | yacyac | should i do the net install or kde 1 cd install |
| 08:42.03 | dutchfish | yacyac, netinstall |
| 08:42.18 | dutchfish | !netinstall |
| 08:42.18 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 08:42.36 | g00se | Doh. Sorry ;-) |
| 08:42.47 | dutchfish | g00se, np |
| 08:43.32 | debayan | !dpkg |
| 08:43.32 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 08:45.28 | yacyac | will the base system install lilo ? |
| 08:45.46 | dutchfish | yacyac, no, grub per default |
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| 08:46.05 | g00se | Some would say the very first package you should install yourself is aptitude |
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| 08:46.54 | dutchfish | g00se, i thought that would be a running kernel ;) |
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| 08:47.27 | yacyac | hehe yeah |
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| 08:47.58 | g00se | dutchfish: well NB 'yourself'. i.e. with apt-get |
| 08:48.22 | yacyac | how big is the net install file |
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| 08:48.25 | dutchfish | g00se, i was merely joking, but a assume it is all in the baseinstall |
| 08:49.01 | g00se | dutchfish: I know ;-) aptitude isn't unfortunately |
| 08:49.31 | dutchfish | yacyac, about 120mb or so |
| 08:50.05 | yacyac | oh |
| 08:50.06 | yacyac | kool |
| 08:50.43 | yacyac | 150mb |
| 08:50.44 | yacyac | not bad |
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| 08:50.59 | g00se | I installed not that long ago from a few floppies (can't remember how many) |
| 08:51.08 | yacyac | hehe |
| 08:51.09 | yacyac | floppies |
| 08:51.45 | dutchfish | g00se, i always do pxe boot nowadays, no more plastic disks on the belt for my mom ... |
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| 08:52.28 | sander_ | Which distro should I use for my desktop computer.. lenny? |
| 08:52.49 | dutchfish | sander_, sure stable is ... stable |
| 08:53.22 | dutchfish | sander_, but it boils down how old/new your ahrdwar eis |
| 08:53.29 | dutchfish | hardware* |
| 08:53.44 | sander_ | My hardware is not very new hardware.. it works under lenny |
| 08:53.57 | sander_ | I've actually runned lenny for a few years now |
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| 08:54.08 | dutchfish | some wireless needs amybe newer kernel, but i always start with stable and build my own kernels when needed |
| 08:54.10 | cahoot | why do you ask then? |
| 08:54.22 | sander_ | But since it become stable... Im thinking about upgrading |
| 08:54.38 | dutchfish | sander_, if it isnt broken dont fix it |
| 08:55.05 | sander_ | dutchfish, its broken.. /usr and / is full.. sound dosnt work because of this I suspect |
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| 08:55.15 | dutchfish | sander_, if you want to expiriment the safe way, delve into kvm or the like |
| 08:55.24 | raidghost | Is there a equalizer for debian that controlls the general sound? |
| 08:55.42 | sander_ | dutchfish, whats kvm? |
| 08:55.45 | valdyn | raidghost: thats a tough one as theres no general sound |
| 08:55.46 | dutchfish | !kvm |
| 08:55.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kvm is kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also alsk me about <literal xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 08:56.01 | valdyn | raidghost: maybe you mean alsa, then you can build an equalizer |
| 08:56.36 | raidghost | valdyn: there is sound but i want to change the eq |
| 08:56.46 | sander_ | dutchfish, cool. |
| 08:56.47 | raidghost | so the sound is not just dry |
| 08:56.55 | valdyn | raidghost: i know what an eq is |
| 08:57.08 | yacyac | i wish my wifi works |
| 08:57.17 | raidghost | Is it possible to make it with alsa? |
| 08:57.28 | valdyn | raidghost: i JUST said that |
| 08:57.36 | raidghost | OK |
| 08:57.37 | yacyac | i have got dell wireless 1395 wlan mini card.. any idea if it will workk ? |
| 08:58.40 | valdyn | raidghost: alsa supports plugins, theres all kinds of plugins implementing all kinds of sound effects |
| 08:58.44 | cahoot | raidghost: aqualung can use ladspa plugins - I guess other players can too |
| 08:58.49 | valdyn | raidghost: like for instance this one: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=53139 |
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| 08:59.21 | valdyn | raidghost: except that the poster doesnt properly understand what he's doing it seems |
| 09:00.05 | hattst | I'm usually clueless when people say things like "add x to $PATH".. e.g.,: <asdfe> hatts: and add /sbin/ to your $PATH <- what does this mean? specifically, how woud I do that? |
| 09:00.18 | valdyn | cahoot: alsa can use ladspa plugins |
| 09:00.22 | valdyn | cahoot: iirc |
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| 09:00.33 | sander_ | How does kvm store data at the disk? |
| 09:00.49 | valdyn | sander_: it doesnt really |
| 09:00.53 | valdyn | sander_: the guest does |
| 09:01.05 | valdyn | sander_: and the guest does it in the same way as a "real" OS |
| 09:01.29 | sander_ | So I have to create partitions for all my os'es? |
| 09:01.37 | valdyn | sander_: no? |
| 09:01.59 | sander_ | I dont understand.. what is the guest? |
| 09:02.02 | valdyn | sander_: the virtualised OS |
| 09:02.19 | valdyn | sander_: the OS running inside kv |
| 09:02.22 | valdyn | sander_: the OS running inside kvm |
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| 09:02.40 | sander_ | Yeah.. where does the os running inside kvm store data? |
| 09:02.52 | valdyn | sander_: in whatever file you specifiy |
| 09:03.00 | sander_ | Ah. file.. thats good. |
| 09:03.07 | valdyn | sander_: that can be /dev/sda or /my/path/to/file |
| 09:03.44 | valdyn | sander_: "like a real OS" means that if you create partitions from the guest, then /dev/sda gets partitions |
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| 09:04.22 | valdyn | sander_: or if the underlying device is a real disk then you could boot the OS "for real" too, not just from inside kvm |
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| 09:05.23 | valdyn | sander_: and using "real" partitions or disk should be faster, but not by alot i would think |
| 09:05.43 | sander_ | ok.. thanks |
| 09:07.41 | tombs | please, could someone tell me if there are any package with/for forum management? |
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| 09:08.21 | valdyn | phpbb3 - A fully featured and skinnable flat (non-threaded) webforum |
| 09:08.42 | tombs | valdyn: thx, I will check it out :) |
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| 09:09.41 | b_jonas | ah, so the dpkg bot is too like the rodney bot in that it won't answer private messages until he sees me in the channel, |
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| 09:10.01 | b_jonas | except it does still say âThe addressCharacter "!" is to get my attention in a normal channel. Please leave it off when messaging me directly.â |
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| 09:10.38 | Caesarli | Is it possible, to do the drive mounting and partitionating for the debian installation manually? |
| 09:11.12 | buu | Yes? |
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| 09:14.08 | raidghost | valdyn: to play sound from spotify with one of those plugins. Is there any for the sound output in general? |
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| 09:17.12 | cahoot | raidghost: so you actually want sound via wine? |
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| 09:20.30 | hargut | hello |
| 09:21.08 | hargut | does someone of you know a tool which does something like "lspci" but for the isa-bus? |
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| 09:22.05 | sauvin | succeeds in getting perl to grab the mac address -> ip client table from his crapware router |
| 09:22.20 | raidghost | cahoot: yeah via wine if that could be possible |
| 09:23.49 | hattst | my cd and dvd drives are non-operational (due to some mechanical failure). what's typically the way to go for an install in such instances? |
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| 09:27.14 | hargut | oh, pnputils & lspnp is what i searched for. (isa was the wrong keyword....) |
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| 09:42.24 | aermartin | hello. |
| 09:42.43 | aermartin | does debian have a graphical boot animation? and if so, can you change the animation? |
| 09:43.41 | aermartin | like fedoras plymouth |
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| 09:47.13 | jelly-home | aermartin: it doesn't have one by default |
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| 09:50.03 | jelly-home | raidghost: wine has a number of sound drivers - oss, alsa, jack; I imagine one would be able to route the sound with jack thru whatever filters are available |
| 09:50.46 | jelly-home | raidghost: apt-cache search libwine |grep sound |
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| 09:57.40 | g00se | Am i right in thinking that just because hardware is recognised and displayed in dmesg doesn't mean that its drivers are installed? |
| 09:58.04 | Hanibana | hi all |
| 09:58.36 | internat1 | hi guys, whats the easiest way to get the rdiff-backup version i had running in etch, installed on my lenny inst? |
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| 09:59.12 | Hanibana | is there a way to generate preseed file for an already-installed system ? |
| 09:59.28 | starter | do you know if inorder to upgrade ocfs2-tools to 1.4.2 from 1.4.1 , there is a need to upgrade the kernel module too? |
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| 10:00.32 | sander^ | Help.. Im getting "GRUB Loading stage1.5.\n\nGRUB loading, please wait...\nError 2.. This happend right after I intalled lenny |
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| 10:01.12 | sander^ | What does grub error 2 mean? |
| 10:01.17 | Hanibana | I remember that RedHat kickstart had such feature. |
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| 10:02.29 | sander^ | !grub |
| 10:02.29 | dpkg | [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader. It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub . For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 10:02.48 | Hanibana | any idea? ;( |
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| 10:05.21 | sander^ | if I dont have a seperate /boot partition.. and make / 5gb..is that too large to make problems with grub? |
| 10:07.12 | valdyn | sander^: to large for WHAT? |
| 10:07.39 | sander^ | valdyn, too large to make grub boot the os |
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| 10:07.50 | valdyn | sander^: not to large |
| 10:08.18 | sander^ | but then someone said that my /boot partition should be separate from / and should be inside the 1023 cylinder limit. |
| 10:08.26 | sander^ | I read that somewhere |
| 10:08.32 | valdyn | sander^: that is a lilo limit from 10 years ago |
| 10:08.40 | valdyn | sander^: lilo is another boot manager |
| 10:08.40 | sander^ | OK |
| 10:08.54 | raidghost | cahCreative SB Audigy SE 7.1 Digital, PCI, bulk , A Okey good Soundcard ? |
| 10:09.03 | sander^ | Maybe my disk is failing then? |
| 10:09.06 | valdyn | raidghost: dont ask us |
| 10:09.13 | raidghost | valdyn: WHY not |
| 10:09.22 | raidghost | I dont want to buy something that is not supported in debian. |
| 10:09.22 | sander^ | Is there any other solution to grub error 2+ |
| 10:09.27 | sander^ | ? |
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| 10:09.35 | valdyn | raidghost: then ask if its supported, not if its good ;) |
| 10:09.39 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 10:09.40 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent |
| 10:09.47 | sander^ | Grub Error 2 means "Selected disk doesn't exist". |
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| 10:10.20 | valdyn | sander^: so that doesnt say anything about any size, just that the disk does not exist |
| 10:10.49 | valdyn | sander^: your bios enumerates disks, grub reads that information |
| 10:11.09 | valdyn | sander^: appearantly grub is trying to access a disk that does not exist |
| 10:11.14 | raidghost | valdyn: i am bad in english. but i said it wrong. |
| 10:11.23 | raidghost | i was going to ask if its supported |
| 10:11.24 | valdyn | sander^: its not always trivial to figure out which BIOS disk maps to which Linux disk |
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| 10:11.35 | raidghost | sorry. But i more prefer to write norwegian than english .. |
| 10:11.38 | valdyn | sander^: you can change disk order in your bios |
| 10:11.49 | valdyn | raidghost: look at what dpkg said |
| 10:12.05 | raidghost | i dont have the card yet. |
| 10:12.12 | raidghost | have a crappy mainboard inbuild card |
| 10:12.19 | valdyn | raidghost: we cannot tell if something is supported with certainty |
| 10:12.25 | valdyn | raidghost: why do you think onboard sound is crappy? |
| 10:13.06 | raidghost | Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 10:13.30 | valdyn | raidghost: the digitial side of your audio system is trivial nowadays, its always fine |
| 10:13.43 | valdyn | raidghost: to get highend quality you just need a digitial output |
| 10:13.52 | raidghost | The sound is dry as a grape. |
| 10:14.03 | valdyn | raidghost: so? |
| 10:14.10 | raidghost | and as you said. i need a digital output |
| 10:14.12 | raidghost | not jack |
| 10:14.40 | valdyn | raidghost: any "crappy" soundcard with digitial output should do for you |
| 10:15.05 | valdyn | raidghost: we cannot tell if its supported without the PCI ID |
| 10:15.19 | valdyn | raidghost: you can ask your vendor for that PCI ID, or you can try googling for the brand name |
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| 10:15.40 | valdyn | raidghost: but hardware is only really uniqueley identified by its pci id |
| 10:15.46 | raidghost | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
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| 10:16.16 | valdyn | raidghost: i dont think "dry" is from that controller being crappy however |
| 10:17.10 | valdyn | raidghost: thats not a PCI ID |
| 10:17.11 | valdyn | !pciid |
| 10:17.11 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -k (lenny+), or lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. /msg judd pciid 0806:284b |
| 10:19.05 | valdyn | raidghost: you are using a highend audio playback system? |
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| 10:20.47 | raidghost | valdyn: its a kenwood. but i guess i should buy something new |
| 10:21.17 | valdyn | raidghost: no idea, new doesnt equal good |
| 10:22.15 | raidghost | gotta check outmore later. |
| 10:22.25 | raidghost | its time for a haircut and to buy a freezer |
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| 10:22.41 | raidghost | Thanks for good advice and sorry for my not propper enlish |
| 10:22.43 | raidghost | english |
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| 10:24.04 | mcgreg | hello... since a while I am getting such error. they come and go. some days they occur really often, sometimes they're gone for weeks: |
| 10:24.08 | mcgreg | http://pastebin.com/m1de12ecc |
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| 10:25.02 | valdyn | mcgreg: overheating gfx card? |
| 10:25.38 | valdyn | mcgreg: or overheating whatever that is |
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| 10:25.45 | mcgreg | hmm dunno, but rather impossible. the gpu isnt doing much .. and I've been playing already wow for hours and ntohign happened liek this. |
| 10:26.05 | valdyn | mcgreg: is the gfx card your only pcie device? |
| 10:26.20 | valdyn | mcgreg: is this a custom kernel? |
| 10:27.08 | mcgreg | no, even the latets freom debian, but happenw with almost every kernel... that doesnt really matter |
| 10:27.23 | valdyn | mcgreg: buggy hardware |
| 10:27.55 | mcgreg | well, since I've got a new gfx card (it happened with the old too) , it's surely not the gfx card |
| 10:27.55 | cirzgamanti | hi, is there a tool that readily outputs only the lines that occur in two different files, or do i have to hack something together? |
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| 10:28.30 | \amethyst | cirzgamanti: if they're sorted, comm -12 |
| 10:28.42 | valdyn | cirzgamanti: diff |
| 10:28.54 | mcgreg | valdyn: do you know how I can check what devices are pci-e .. could be also internal ones as far as I know? |
| 10:29.03 | \amethyst | cirzgamanti: otherwise, sort them and use comm, or you can do something with grep -xF -f onefile otherfile |
| 10:29.13 | valdyn | mcgreg: i can check what this is by looking up the device ids |
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| 10:29.43 | \amethyst | the device that's reporting the error is the PCI to PCIE bridge |
| 10:29.53 | cirzgamanti | thx guys |
| 10:30.08 | \amethyst | 1106:a238 is VIA K8T890 PCI to PCI Bridge Controller |
| 10:30.10 | cirzgamanti | strangely i've never even heard of 'comm' |
| 10:30.14 | mcgreg | so the mainboard is broken then probably? |
| 10:30.23 | valdyn | mcgreg: yes |
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| 10:30.33 | valdyn | mcgreg: or overclocked |
| 10:30.38 | \amethyst | that or one of your PCIE cards is, and the mainboard is what's reporting it |
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| 10:30.56 | mcgreg | ahhh ... damn I thought so already :( nono, it's not overclocked - at leats I didnt dso anything like this |
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| 10:31.15 | valdyn | mcgreg: it could just aswell be dust on the mainboard |
| 10:31.17 | \amethyst | mcgreg: you could try reseating the card... it could be a physically loose connection |
| 10:31.17 | mcgreg | well, I once had something like a short cut from usb |
| 10:31.35 | valdyn | mcgreg: debugging hardware is like unpossible |
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| 10:32.45 | mcgreg | \amethyst: well, I am quite quite sure the gfx card is okay. since this one is very new and it happened exactly the same with the old one |
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| 10:33.04 | starter | do you know if inorder to upgrade ocfs2-tools to 1.4.2 from 1.4.1 , there is a need to upgrade the kernel module too? |
| 10:33.12 | aa | I'm getting "Failed to determine the codename for this release" in netinstall testing, anyone knows a workaround? |
| 10:33.35 | mcgreg | but well... it seems the main boards is broken then, since I have no other built in hardware except harddrivers/dvdrom |
| 10:34.38 | yacyac | is there a special installation guide for netinstall iso ? |
| 10:34.47 | yacyac | installation method |
| 10:34.52 | mcgreg | well, I wanted to buy new hardware anyway... but it sucks anyway. |
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| 10:36.32 | rudi_s | yacyac: It doesn't differ from other installation methods; you only get a smaller installation (or need an internet connection to download more packets). |
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| 10:39.07 | g00se | What's the best way to install the Lenny backports keyring? |
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| 10:39.24 | yacyac | hmmmm |
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| 10:39.31 | Pavel__deb | Hi all. |
| 10:39.51 | [Cipher] | g00se, did you add the repo in the source.list? |
| 10:39.56 | [Cipher] | Pavel__deb, howdy |
| 10:40.47 | g00se | Cipher: Not yet |
| 10:40.50 | Pavel__deb | My applications can not find font, but xlsfont is finding it. How do I fix this? |
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| 10:41.08 | [Cipher] | g00se, you have to added it first, then write this line: aptitude install debian-backports-keyring |
| 10:41.15 | [Cipher] | g00se, then apt-get update |
| 10:41.17 | mcgreg | \amethyst, valdyn : thx you guys. you helped me a lot |
| 10:42.00 | [Cipher] | add* |
| 10:42.07 | g00se | Cipher: Thanks. The backports wiki should be updated - it's suggesting the other way around |
| 10:42.09 | [Cipher] | g00se, you know how to add the repo? |
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| 10:43.36 | [Cipher] | g00se, your link: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 10:44.33 | g00se | Cipher: OK. I was using http://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 10:45.15 | [Cipher] | g00se, just follow the link that i gave |
| 10:45.26 | [Cipher] | it's more than enough for you |
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| 10:48.20 | yuri_ | Hi.. what is the command to not allow mails sent to my user |
| 10:48.28 | yuri_ | and how to delete all unread mail i currently have |
| 10:50.17 | g00se | Cipher: What i don't get is that if i've just installed the keyring, why does aptitude warn me that i'm about to install untrusted packages? |
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| 10:51.07 | [Cipher] | maybe bcuz it's not from the debian's repo itselfs |
| 10:51.57 | g00se | Cipher: Yes i thought perhaps was why. Thanks |
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| 10:53.06 | [Cipher] | wb g00se |
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| 11:00.45 | jaymzh | Hey, I'm using unstable, and I think with the lenny release unstable's kinda haywire: iceweasel's broken because of not-new-enough xulrunner and pidgin because of not-new-enough libstartup-notification --- usually I can just 'apt-get install whatever/testing' and work around it for a week until things settle, but that doesn't seem to be working for reasons I haven't yet wrapped my mind around. Anyone else worked around this in a usable way? |
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| 11:01.15 | Gryflhase | Hi. How to find out, if a bug is already reported? |
| 11:01.30 | jaymzh | Gryflhase: packages.debian.org, look up the package, click on bug reports |
| 11:01.54 | nkuttler | Gryflhase: or bugs.debian.org and search there |
| 11:01.54 | Gryflhase | ok, thx |
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| 11:02.51 | jaymzh | awah, just needed to specify *enough* packages to downgrade. Got iceweasel and pidgin back... |
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| 11:07.00 | superlinux | hello |
| 11:07.31 | superlinux | is there an operating system that forces every function call to be a thread? |
| 11:08.13 | Zharf | that would be a programmers nightmare |
| 11:08.39 | patrikf | heh. lock_mutex spawns a new thread ;-) |
| 11:10.00 | patrikf | superlinux: there are some programming languages that have parallelism built-in. erlang, for example |
| 11:10.05 | superlinux | Zharf, no i don't think that you understood my question |
| 11:10.20 | JyZyXEL | is there a transparent apt proxy? |
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| 11:11.02 | patrikf | JyZyXEL: apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy... ask dpkg about them |
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| 11:11.25 | jcjh | is there any way to turn off the broadcast kernel message when i'm in a tty? |
| 11:11.32 | superlinux | patrikf, what i am thing of is take the running code, get every function that's running and loaded, then embedding every function call in a seperate thread |
| 11:11.52 | superlinux | *what i am thinking of |
| 11:11.56 | patrikf | jcjh: dmesg -n 1 or similar |
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| 11:12.12 | JyZyXEL | patrikf, no i mean transparent |
| 11:12.26 | JyZyXEL | so that no modification of sources is required for clients |
| 11:12.30 | superlinux | i think this will make applications truly faster. |
| 11:12.48 | jcjh | patrikf, that's it |
| 11:12.49 | patrikf | JyZyXEL: apt-cacher doesn't require sources modification, just setting the http_proxy environment variable |
| 11:12.49 | jcjh | thanks |
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| 11:14.19 | poisonbit | there is no packages for bootplash (not splashy) in lenny ? |
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| 11:23.47 | hugo | can i use ipod or iphone as a installation media? |
| 11:24.00 | hugo | looking for easiest way of installing debian |
| 11:24.16 | hugo | without using PXE |
| 11:24.21 | hugo | what do you recommend |
| 11:24.29 | hugo | ? |
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| 11:25.29 | Bashbin | locklace ? |
| 11:25.36 | Bashbin | he is gone, right? |
| 11:25.38 | patrikf | hugo: easiest way is CD. second-easiest is usb stick |
| 11:25.59 | abrotman | Bashbin: locklace is only on oftc |
| 11:26.01 | hugo | patrikf: can i use ipod/iphone as usb stick? |
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| 11:26.29 | hugo | patrikf: i prefer not wasting a cd for netinst |
| 11:26.40 | abrotman | use a CDRW ? |
| 11:26.43 | patrikf | hugo: not sure about that. cds are cheap and much less trouble :) |
| 11:26.47 | Bashbin | abrotman, oftc? |
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| 11:26.56 | Bashbin | abrotman, but I was just on that server and he was here! |
| 11:27.09 | hugo | patrikf: fair enough i'll go with cd then |
| 11:27.17 | \amethyst | Bashbin: what server? |
| 11:27.17 | abrotman | Bashbin: no, this is freenode, you're also on OFTC |
| 11:27.28 | Bashbin | hum |
| 11:27.30 | abrotman | Bashbin: hyou were on oftc |
| 11:27.34 | enouf | hey, i'm trying to get a usb printer (HP Deskjet 6540) to print a PDF file that i first had open in Iceweasel, now just in acroread launched from an xterm - i keep getting a usage error from the Print "lpr -P HP_Deskjet_6500_USB_1 -o PageSize=Letter -o PageRegion=Letter -o ColorMode=NormalColor -o Passes=Default -o BlackCorrect=4 -o Depletion=Default" |
| 11:27.49 | Bashbin | thx! |
| 11:27.49 | abrotman | points at enouf and laughs |
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| 11:28.00 | abrotman | Bashbin: try again |
| 11:28.13 | hugo | patrikf: what's the diff between normal netinst image and bizcard image? |
| 11:28.32 | enouf | usage: lpr [-cdfghlmnpqrstv] [-#num] [-1234 font] [-C class] [-i [numcols]] [-J job] [-Pprinter] [-T title] [-U user] [-wnum] [name ...] |
| 11:28.37 | Bashbin | abrotman, do you see me on oftc? |
| 11:28.37 | abrotman | hugo: the business card *requires* the internet to get a minimal system .. the netinst does not |
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| 11:29.08 | patrikf | hugo: ... and it fits onto a business card-size cd (rare these days) |
| 11:29.08 | \amethyst | enouf: what package does your lpr come from? |
| 11:29.25 | enouf | the Print test page worked fine (all 3 pages - page1, page2 (with color wheels) and page3 - same as page1 :-p) |
| 11:29.43 | hugo | abrotman: but in most cases, when people are using netinst, they would use internet |
| 11:29.46 | \amethyst | enouf: the problem is that your lpr doesn't appear to understand -o |
| 11:29.55 | enouf | \amethyst: lpr: /usr/bin/lpr |
| 11:29.56 | hugo | to get more files |
| 11:30.03 | hugo | am i missing something? |
| 11:30.08 | abrotman | hugo: sure .. but it's not required |
| 11:30.15 | \amethyst | enouf: the one from cupsys-bsd would work, but you'd probably need to set up cups |
| 11:30.27 | enouf | \amethyst: hrm .. but dlocate showed me other lpr things ... hrm, ok - let me try |
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| 11:31.01 | hugo | abrotman: well anyway, i don't have any biz card cd, i'll take normal size netinst image |
| 11:31.12 | hugo | thanks patrikf and abrotman |
| 11:31.20 | \amethyst | enouf: sorry, cups-bsd now not cupsys-bsd |
| 11:31.21 | abrotman | hugo: and it's posssible to try the ipod, but just try it |
| 11:31.42 | enouf | \amethyst: IIRC, i used to have that, then it just changed to cups, and now i'm installing cupsys-bsd (sid/squeeze) |
| 11:32.02 | enouf | \amethyst: The following packages will be REMOVED: lpr |
| 11:32.09 | enouf | beauty ;-) |
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| 11:32.47 | enouf | \amethyst: cups-bsd cupsys-bsd <-- apt-get wants to install |
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| 11:33.08 | enouf | The following packages will be upgraded: cups-client |
| 11:33.23 | enouf | The following NEW packages will be installed: cups-bsd cupsys-bsd |
| 11:33.50 | \amethyst | enouf: cups-bsd is the cups implementation of the 'lpr' command and related commands |
| 11:33.59 | \amethyst | enouf: so it conflicts with lpr and lprng |
| 11:34.16 | enouf | \amethyst: (fwiw i even installed all the foomatic gutenprint ijs stuff, even the HP ijs stuff |
| 11:34.34 | enouf | \amethyst: fine with me- so long as it works ;-) |
| 11:34.35 | \amethyst | enouf: something on your system is assuming lpr takes -o options, and the BSD version does not |
| 11:34.57 | enouf | \amethyst: do i need to reconfigure .. let's see what the debconf does |
| 11:35.15 | enouf | i see - thank you .. ok, debconf is here - one sec |
| 11:35.42 | \amethyst | to configure printers in cups you can go to http://localhost:631/ |
| 11:36.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.25 | enouf | \amethyst: been there before - many times - thanks ;-) |
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| 11:37.29 | enouf | \amethyst: think i should say yes here? IOW, cups-bsd pkg seeems to be able to do _both_ types of LPR commands? |
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| 11:37.44 | enouf | s/types/styles/ |
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| 11:38.13 | \amethyst | enouf: yes, you do, if you want to use the 'lpr' command (and apparently something wants to use the 'lpr' command) |
| 11:38.49 | enouf | \amethyst: righto - i took that exact command from the acroread print dialog that appears when you attempt to print a PDF from in it |
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| 11:42.33 | Shtl | Hello All, i want to make lenny installed machine as proxy server in a LAN, so that all other m/c access should be controlled via this server, i hve install "squid" now what should be the next step i have to carry out. Can any one help me in this regard?? |
| 11:42.52 | enouf | \amethyst: now, nothing happens at all - just hangs ... i'll toy with starting/stopping init.d things (btw, pstree isn't listing anything 'lp' anymore) ... |
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| 11:47.04 | lelu | hey guys |
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| 11:53.48 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible to track core-affinity in a multi-threaded application and stat it in real time, ie any suggestions how to do that? |
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| 11:55.20 | enouf | \amethyst: i always seem to stumble on the page - what the Device URI should be ? The Modify Printer page dialog prior was set to use "LPD/LPR host printer", i altered that to "HP Printer (HPLIP)" (but i had also tried this earlier, and then on the next screen (after the Device URI one) i even tried adding a PPD file ; "/usr/share/ppd/cups-included/HP/deskjet.ppd") , and now dlocate shows me what appears to be thousands of '...ppd..' file from |
| 11:56.10 | dutchfish | enouf, hplip has a setup tool also to automagically find the right one |
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| 11:57.46 | enouf | \amethyst: btw, dpkg-reconfigure cups ; i answered Yes to Raw mode (1st debconf page concerning IPP, windows, etc), and i selected ALL the protocols available (had been like this prior as well) -- seems some /etc/cups/* files are owned via "root:lp" .. is that wrong? |
| 11:58.07 | enouf | dutchfish: ok - i know that's installed - let me fool with that - thanks |
| 11:58.14 | dutchfish | enouf, hplip-gui |
| 11:58.20 | hugo | debian-502-amd64-netinst.iso ETA 1 hour. Heh, long. |
| 11:58.43 | abrotman | did you use http or bittorrent ? |
| 11:58.47 | dutchfish | !tell hugo about debian-mirrors |
| 11:59.12 | dutchfish | !tell hugo about mirrors |
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| 12:00.30 | dutchfish | enouf, and there is also hplip-ppds for even more ppd's |
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| 12:03.03 | enouf | dutchfish: aha! |
| 12:03.09 | dutchfish | enouf, ;) |
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| 12:03.23 | enouf | hp-makeuri 001:005 (from lsusb output) |
| 12:03.24 | enouf | CUPS URI: hp:/usb/Deskjet_6500?serial=MY4933Q295040J |
| 12:04.36 | enouf | now wtf@ with stupid IW paste buffer .. dammit, these darn things need to learn to play nice - i mean what is this MS + Linux? |
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| 12:05.02 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry, i lost you there |
| 12:06.29 | Mikaze | Anyone know where to download classic PGP? Think the version was 2.6.2 and only handled 256 to 1024 bit encryption? |
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| 12:07.29 | abrotman | Mikaze: why would you want it? i think it was dropped in favor of GnuPG like 6 years ago ? |
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| 12:07.48 | Mikaze | Because I don't trust GPG. |
| 12:07.56 | abrotman | but that's what PGP uses now |
| 12:08.14 | dutchfish | mumbles about pgpgpg |
| 12:08.29 | Mikaze | I still prefer the version the govt didn't want passed around. |
| 12:08.38 | abrotman | Mikaze: then go ask PGP, not #debian |
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| 12:09.08 | Mikaze | Why do you think I'm asking here. |
| 12:09.26 | krislappy | hello all, I want to install debian lenny on an acer aspire, but i'm wondering about driver issues, has anyone done this?? |
| 12:09.26 | abrotman | because we're not PGP? |
| 12:09.28 | enouf | dutchfish: do i need an HP ppd file or any ppd file? |
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| 12:09.31 | krislappy | acer aspire 3004 wlci |
| 12:09.38 | nuscire_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.55 | enouf | dutchfish: now i have 3 pending jobs, all doing exactly ... wait for it ... nothing! :-P |
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| 12:10.13 | Mikaze | walks out of the whites-only channel again. |
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| 12:10.34 | dutchfish | enouf, is your connection raw and does it work as IP printer? is your printer setupu for this? |
| 12:11.16 | dutchfish | s/setupu/setup |
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| 12:11.53 | enouf | dutchfish: a) my connection is USB, locally attached b) i don't know, i'm not trying to print over the Internet, and c) i think so, because of my answers to dpkg-reconfigure cups |
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| 12:12.28 | dutchfish | enouf, does that user have the appropriate rights to use cups? |
| 12:12.42 | enouf | dutchfish: yes |
| 12:13.15 | enouf | i'm saying NO now to dpkg-reconfigure cups-bsd |
| 12:13.25 | enouf | as far as lp/lpr is concerned |
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| 12:13.43 | dutchfish | enouf, http://osr600doc.sco.com/en/PR_gimpprint/x456.html |
| 12:14.02 | tones | is there any way of recovering corrupt terminals? i SAK'd a terminal with X, and now the only working terminal is my other X, the others all output random colours |
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| 12:15.28 | eevar | any eta for postgresql 8.4 in squeeze? |
| 12:15.31 | dutchfish | enouf, and http://osr600doc.sco.com/en/PR_gimpprint/x456.html#FIG-CUPS-ADMIN-DEVICE |
| 12:16.50 | abrotman | !why is postgresql-8.4 not in testing |
| 12:16.50 | dpkg | postgresql-8.4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=postgresql-8.4 |
| 12:16.51 | tones | there really is no way? i hate to restart... |
| 12:17.08 | abrotman | tones: 'reset' ? ctrl-l ? |
| 12:17.27 | abrotman | eevar: see the URL above |
| 12:17.37 | eevar | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:18.44 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible to track core-affinity in a multi-threaded application and stat it in real time, ie any suggestions how to do that? |
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| 12:21.17 | enouf | dutchfish: what the F is a PPDfile anyway? |
| 12:21.26 | dutchfish | i know i can set it with sched-utils like taskset -c 1 -p 13545 .... but how to trace it |
| 12:21.38 | dutchfish | enouf, no clue |
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| 12:23.50 | enouf | The following NEW packages will be installed: hp-ppd hpijs-ppds hplip-cups openprinting-ppds |
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| 12:24.34 | enouf | dutchfish: don't you run like HUGE massive printing equip somewhere in .eu ? |
| 12:25.07 | enouf | dutchfish: oh - just seeing your URLs - busy here - messing with shit |
| 12:25.13 | \amethyst | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript_Printer_Description |
| 12:25.17 | jandruss | Is it possible to launch a program inside the gnome-session on a computer from a remote ssh session? cheers |
| 12:25.18 | enouf | gimp? |
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| 12:25.53 | tones | abrotman: ctrl-l doesnt seem to work anywhere, nor ctrl-alt-l or alt-sysrq-l |
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| 12:26.19 | abrotman | it would be ctrl-l |
| 12:26.23 | \amethyst | enouf: CUPS uses them even for non-postscript printers, to describe the options the printer takes (multiple pages, duplex, collation, quality, etc) |
| 12:26.36 | tones | abrotman: on one of the corrupt terminals? |
| 12:26.36 | enouf | \amethyst: ouch! and thanks .. hold .. phone |
| 12:26.39 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:26.50 | beardy | tones: Yes. Run 'reset' in them too. |
| 12:26.53 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 12:26.54 | judd | jelly-home: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 |
| 12:26.54 | patrikf | jandruss: DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm & should work |
| 12:27.00 | \amethyst | enouf: http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/III.PostScript-and-PPDs/III.PostScript-and-PPDs.html is old but might be helpful |
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| 12:27.05 | abrotman | beardy: same thing IIRC |
| 12:27.10 | beardy | abrotman: No. |
| 12:27.14 | ghosTM55 | hi all , i create a virtual machine in vmware server, the guest os is centos , using bridged network , i can ping google.com but can't open google.com , and i found i can't download anything from internet , any help ? |
| 12:27.14 | tones | abrotman: no effect whatsoever |
| 12:27.31 | tones | beardy: i cant really run anything, i cant see what i type |
| 12:27.50 | beardy | tones: You can type can't you, who needs to see the screen. |
| 12:27.56 | abrotman | beardy: reset vs redraw ... |
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| 12:28.32 | \amethyst | ghosTM55: #vmware might be able to help more than we would |
| 12:28.33 | beardy | tones: It's borked then, afaik you have to redraw, I don't think you can reset it when it "locks up" like that, the graphics card/driver/whtever it messes up. |
| 12:28.36 | enouf | \amethyst: thank you .... |
| 12:28.51 | Vonor | ghosTM55, have you enabled ipforwarding on the host and nat? |
| 12:28.56 | tones | beardy: ok, thanks for trying though |
| 12:29.01 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: yes, ip_forward=1 |
| 12:29.03 | beardy | abrotman: Cat something to fuck your terminal, then tell me that ^l and reset is the same. |
| 12:29.09 | enouf | dutchfish: thank you |
| 12:29.13 | Vonor | ghosTM55, and nat with iptables? |
| 12:29.14 | dutchfish | enouf, yw |
| 12:29.19 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: same problem in virtualbox |
| 12:29.33 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: no iptables in guest os , nat works fine |
| 12:29.36 | beardy | See what you did! |
| 12:29.43 | beardy | tones: /s/redraw/reboot/ |
| 12:29.46 | Vonor | ghosTM55, are the host and the guest in the same network? |
| 12:29.52 | jandruss | patrikf: thank you, it works great |
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| 12:30.26 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: host ip is 192.168.1.100 , guest one is 1.105 , is that right ? |
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| 12:30.40 | Vonor | subnet mask? |
| 12:30.53 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: 255.255.255.0 |
| 12:30.56 | dutchfish | ghosTM55, did you check the route table in the host? |
| 12:31.06 | Vonor | dutchfish, was going to say the same :) |
| 12:31.12 | agike | Hi, I have just installed debian-501-i386-netinst.iso but on reboot get the msg: "GRUB Loading stage 1.5, GRUB loading please wait, Error 15" .. and then it hangs. Ctrl-Alt-F1-7 do not work so I cannot get into a a text-based screen Any ideas how to rescue the install ? |
| 12:31.15 | Vonor | ghosTM55, route -n on the guest? |
| 12:31.24 | abrotman | beardy: pass! |
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| 12:32.10 | tones | beardy: yeah i guessed that |
| 12:32.24 | tones | agike: use "super grub disk" |
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| 12:32.58 | agike | tones: Err.. what is "super grub disk" ? |
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| 12:33.38 | sander_ | What is debians version of thunderbird? |
| 12:33.43 | sander_ | !thunderbird |
| 12:33.44 | dpkg | from memory, thunderbird is replaced by icedove in Debian as of Lenny. Ask me about <icedove>. |
| 12:33.48 | sander_ | :-) |
| 12:33.53 | tones | agike: google is your freind :) its a disk loaded with grub and a few micro os's which is quite useful when grub crashes |
| 12:34.22 | tones | agike: use it to boot your system and then repair grub from within it |
| 12:35.09 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: gateway is 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:35.49 | Vonor | ghosTM55, route del default gw 192.168.1.1 ; route add default gw 192.168.1.100 |
| 12:36.18 | agike | tones: I think I burnt one some time ago but never used it. It would probably be an old version by now and might be around somewhere. Thanks, I will have to sleep on it. It has been a long night and is now early morning here. |
| 12:36.30 | agike | Cheers .. |
| 12:37.13 | beardy | judd: versions thunderbird |
| 12:37.13 | judd | beardy: thunderbird -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 |
| 12:37.47 | beardy | It's named somethingthat'scold+furanimal. |
| 12:38.37 | sander_ | !xmms |
| 12:38.37 | dpkg | xmms is probably the old X MultiMedia System media player. Removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #461309. For alternatives, ask me about <amarok>, <audacious>, <exaile>, <qmmp>, <quod libet>, <rhythmbox>, <songbird>, <xmms2>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for xmms removal reasons. |
| 12:38.37 | jelly-home | icedove? |
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| 12:39.57 | sander_ | !debian-multimedia |
| 12:39.57 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 12:40.06 | sander_ | !dmm lenny |
| 12:40.07 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 12:40.46 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: still doesn't work |
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| 12:41.11 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: i can ping google.com , whatever the site is , but can't open it , can't wget anything from web |
| 12:41.18 | Vonor | ghosTM55, check route -n if it ate the command properly |
| 12:41.46 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: it's right |
| 12:41.50 | Vonor | wait, you can ping google but can't access it? |
| 12:42.30 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: yes |
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| 12:43.11 | Vonor | ghosTM55, try to access kernel.org with a browser, if it doesn't work try ftp..if that works, check your iptables settings |
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| 12:43.28 | Vonor | also check if you have a proxy configured on the guest |
| 12:43.32 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: you mean in guest or in host ? |
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| 12:43.43 | beardy | jelly-home: Oh, they followed animaltype.. yes ok then. |
| 12:43.53 | Vonor | tests in guest, iptables on host, proxy check on guest |
| 12:43.54 | dbbolton | how can i use aptitude to search for all packages with names containing "foo" and "bar"? |
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| 12:44.15 | enouf | dutchfish: \amethyst et al ; anyone see anything wrong with this CUPS config file? http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m799a4ced is 'lpadmin' correct as SystemGroup? |
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| 12:44.31 | Vonor | dbbolton, aptitude search foo* |
| 12:44.32 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: i don't have iptables installed on neither host nor guest , and still can't access |
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| 12:45.17 | Vonor | ghosTM55, check env if there's a proxy set up |
| 12:45.39 | dbbolton | Vonor but i want to see any thing containing 'foo' and 'bar', it seems like searching for 'foo*' wouldnt show something like 'bar-foo' |
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| 12:45.54 | dutchfish | enouf, there are 3 lvs of auth. not 2 |
| 12:46.08 | dutchfish | enouf, you need all 3 |
| 12:46.27 | Vonor | dbbolton, thats why you should search for foo* |
| 12:46.48 | beardy | *foo* in that case. |
| 12:46.58 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: no proxy set up ... |
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| 12:47.08 | dbbolton | but that will show a lot of things that don't contain "bar" as well. right? |
| 12:47.13 | Vonor | beardy, not sure, foo* should be enough, shouldn't it? |
| 12:47.25 | hugo | how can i set up raid 1 on debian? |
| 12:47.30 | Vonor | dbbolton, try bar*foo then |
| 12:47.39 | Vonor | come on, use your mind :) |
| 12:47.52 | Vonor | ghosTM55, sorry, no idea then :) |
| 12:48.07 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: thanks for help ~~~ |
| 12:48.39 | Vonor | ghosTM55, sorry i couldn't help further, if you figure the solution, please let me know, am really curious what it is |
| 12:49.00 | cantido | hugo: you can do it in the installer, and you can use the md tools too |
| 12:49.06 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: ;-) , i will |
| 12:49.14 | sander_ | Anyone got an howto on displaying two monitors beside eachother? |
| 12:49.16 | cantido | hugo: hardware raid would be configured from the raid controllers bios usually |
| 12:49.28 | ghosTM55 | Vonor: never met such kind of problem before , both happened in vmware and vbox |
| 12:49.30 | RichiH | is there any tool to lock a tty session? |
| 12:49.35 | dbbolton | Vonor that doesn't work. for example, searching 'gtk*qt' and 'qt*gtk' didn't show anything, even though there is a package called gtk-qt-engine |
| 12:49.49 | hugo | cantido: i want to use software raid because warned to use hardware raid |
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| 12:50.03 | abrotman | RichiH: vlock |
| 12:50.09 | RichiH | ta |
| 12:50.25 | cantido | hugo: man mdadm :) |
| 12:50.27 | sander_ | I've done it before.. inserting some lines into xorg.conf.. to get dual monitor setup.. cant remember what the name of it was |
| 12:50.51 | Vonor | dbbolton, how about aptitude search *foo* |grep bar |
| 12:51.04 | cantido | sander_: you need a virtual desktop size >= the size of the display you want, then you can add monitors using xrandr at runtime |
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| 12:52.30 | hugo | cantido: any idea why it's said to be bad idea to go with hardware raid? |
| 12:52.56 | Vonor | beardy, ping :) |
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| 12:53.13 | cantido | hugo: software raid can be faster than hardware raid |
| 12:53.34 | Vonor | cantido, how so? |
| 12:53.44 | hugo | cantido: really? what advantage hardware raid has, then?? |
| 12:53.45 | cantido | Vonor: modern cpus are fast |
| 12:54.01 | Tazen | dbbolton: Your a complete mong. :) |
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| 12:54.24 | hugo | cantido: so it uses cpu power, right? hardwar raid wouldn't need that... |
| 12:54.25 | Vonor | cantido, yeah, but cpu's handle more than just the raid |
| 12:54.44 | dbbolton | Vonor, it was way easier: aptitude search "foo bar" |
| 12:55.14 | Vonor | dbbolton, heh, looked at the manpage? :) |
| 12:55.30 | sander_ | cantido, whats the xorg config file? |
| 12:55.41 | cantido | Vonor: cpu is handling all the data transfer anyhow, unless its DMA |
| 12:55.42 | hugo | !tell hugo raid |
| 12:55.47 | sander_ | xorg.conf is empty |
| 12:55.50 | abrotman | !tell hugo about selftell |
| 12:55.55 | abrotman | sander_: that's normal |
| 12:56.10 | dbbolton | Vonor, not the actual man entry. i was reading /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README but the plain text format was annoying. luckily i found an html version online |
| 12:57.24 | sander_ | abrotman, then. Where do I set up a viritual screen? |
| 12:57.37 | cantido | Vonor: a lot of controllers require considerable amounts of work in software anyhow.. |
| 12:57.46 | abrotman | you can set it up in there, it's just mostly empty by default |
| 12:58.09 | hugo | hardware raid seems not so popular |
| 12:58.09 | sander_ | I need to add "Virtual 1680 1850" or something in the screen section |
| 12:58.17 | hugo | just because it's pricy? |
| 12:58.24 | Vonor | cantido, nevertheless hardware should always be faster |
| 12:58.25 | cantido | hugo: depends on the chipset, an expensive card with battery backed ram and stuff like that will do most of the work in hardware |
| 12:58.30 | sander_ | abrotman, how should I add it when there dosnt exist any screen section? |
| 12:58.42 | abrotman | add a screen section |
| 12:58.58 | abrotman | cantido: if it's doing the work in 'software' on the hsot CPU, it's not a real RAID card |
| 12:58.59 | cantido | hugo: cheap via stuff however uses the cpu for a lot of thing AFAIK |
| 12:59.09 | cantido | abrotman: ala winmodem |
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| 12:59.41 | abrotman | no kidding .. and that' snot real RAID .. don't pretend it is |
| 12:59.51 | hugo | cantido: some suggested me avoid *onboard* hardware raid. maybe that's considered to be cheap |
| 13:00.16 | cantido | hugo: well, as abrotman is suggesting,.. onboard RAID might not be really RAID at all |
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| 13:00.40 | abrotman | in most cases, it's not .. and you shouldn't be using fakeraid as a comparison in hwraid vs swraid |
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| 13:01.23 | hugo | abrotman: why is it a fake? |
| 13:01.30 | cantido | hugo: real hardware raid cards have battery backup and stuff like that, so it's not all about speed |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | because it's not real raid .. it's host-assisted raid .. |
| 13:01.38 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 13:01.38 | dpkg | A term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
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| 13:01.59 | hugo | so there are three types of raid? fake, soft and hard |
| 13:02.12 | sander_ | abrotman, then I guess I need all other sections too.. I just got a black screen when only adding "screen" |
| 13:02.24 | abrotman | you don't need all the other sections |
| 13:02.37 | hugo | !tell hugo sata faq |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | !tell hugo about selftell |
| 13:03.06 | cantido | hugo: if it's a desktop machine, the built in md array stuff should be fine |
| 13:03.25 | sander_ | abrotman, whats wrong with my xorg.conf line then?: http://pastebin.ca/1483808 |
| 13:04.24 | abrotman | sander_: did you look at your error log ? |
| 13:04.24 | sander_ | abrotman, how can I test the x sessions? |
| 13:04.32 | sander_ | I tried with startx -- :2 |
| 13:04.51 | sander_ | And then there came up a grey screen |
| 13:04.54 | sander_ | no errors |
| 13:05.03 | hugo | cantido: yeah it's a desktop |
| 13:05.24 | sander_ | abrotman, Thats even with the xorg.conf file empty |
| 13:05.31 | cantido | hugo: RAID1? |
| 13:05.54 | hugo | cantido: that's what i want to do now |
| 13:06.11 | sander_ | Ok.. i'll try to quit X |
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| 13:06.47 | cantido | hugo: software RAID1 is fine.. it's basically just copying the data to both drives, nothing special |
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| 13:07.15 | hugo | cantido: how much does it slows down the disk operation? |
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| 13:07.57 | cantido | hugo: I think writes are generally the same if you don't have a wonky chipset, reads are usually a bit faster because you can read from multiple disks |
| 13:08.36 | hugo | cantido: so only down side is that it uses cpu power? |
| 13:09.03 | cantido | hugo: RAID1 doesnt use parity, so it's not like it's doing masses of calculations |
| 13:09.37 | abrotman | hugo: if your machine is anything built in the last five years, you likely won't ever notice |
| 13:10.14 | hugo | cantido: so whey i don't care the cost of extensive disk, using raid 1 is always preferable? |
| 13:10.38 | hugo | and when i also don't mind wasted disk space? |
| 13:10.49 | cantido | hugo: if you want a basic safety against a disk failure RAID1 is fine |
| 13:10.50 | hugo | abrotman: it's really new. |
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| 13:12.14 | hugo | my bios on my mobo has a section of "RAID". is it the fake one? |
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| 13:12.58 | abrotman | probably |
| 13:13.18 | abrotman | if you didn't pay a few hundred for the mobo, it's likely fakeraid |
| 13:13.53 | hugo | i payed a few hundred :p |
| 13:14.02 | cantido | hugo: yen? ;) |
| 13:14.12 | hugo | cantido: yup |
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| 13:15.05 | Vonor | my mobo was 400 euro...and i bought it 2nd hand :D |
| 13:15.06 | cantido | I presume abrotman means dollars |
| 13:15.18 | hugo | well, how can i learn more about this in detail? |
| 13:15.29 | abrotman | about what? |
| 13:15.48 | hugo | fake raid, software raid, hardware raid, advantage of them, disadvantage of them. |
| 13:15.50 | sander_ | Aint it something that is called xinerama or something.. with dual screen configuration? |
| 13:15.53 | sander_ | !xinerama |
| 13:15.53 | dpkg | hmm... xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto. |
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| 13:16.21 | Vonor | what the...is fake raid? |
| 13:16.47 | hugo | abrotman: i really want to know what' i'm doing |
| 13:16.55 | abrotman | !tell Vonor about fakeraid |
| 13:17.09 | abrotman | hugo: you probably don't have the option for hwraid |
| 13:17.13 | abrotman | !tell hugo about sata faq |
| 13:17.38 | Vonor | abrotman, thanks |
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| 13:19.22 | cantido | If only you could get cheap raid cards with an AES block. :/ |
| 13:19.53 | sander_ | What is best to use?.. xinerama or xrandr? |
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| 13:20.03 | cantido | xrandr |
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| 13:20.14 | Sensiva | Hello all, I am trying to install Debian Lenny 5.0.2 using harddisk boot approach, I downloaded DVD images, placed the first ISO file in an ext3 partition and downloaded vmlinuz and initrd of Debian-Installer in the same folder |
| 13:20.25 | patrikf | sander_: that question doesn't make sense |
| 13:20.26 | Sensiva | and added their entries in menu.lst |
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| 13:20.40 | sander_ | patrikf, whys that? |
| 13:20.43 | Sensiva | but for some reason, the installer doesn't detect the ISO image to mount it |
| 13:20.46 | Sensiva | any ideas? |
| 13:21.02 | sander_ | I dont know the diffrence |
| 13:21.02 | patrikf | sander_: er, misread your question |
| 13:21.29 | sander_ | ok |
| 13:22.20 | sander_ | Can someone help me with the xrandr line? |
| 13:22.40 | sander_ | I have two monitors with 1280x1024 |
| 13:22.46 | sander_ | I want them beside eachother |
| 13:23.06 | cantido | sander_: xrandr --output <something> --left-of <something> |
| 13:23.29 | abrotman | sander_: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 13:23.33 | sander_ | What is something? |
| 13:23.47 | cantido | sander_: the name of the display, VGA, LVDS etc |
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| 13:25.53 | Martin_vW | (etch) 'man chown' says I should read 'info chown', but info shows just the manpage. Is the info page completely missing, or do I need to install some other package to get it? |
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| 13:26.42 | sander_ | xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of DVI-0 gives me: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1200 (desired size 2560x1024) |
| 13:27.16 | cantido | sander_: you need to set the virtual display size to 2560x1024 before you can create a screen that big |
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| 13:29.55 | sander_ | cantido, wont it be 2048 1024? |
| 13:30.06 | sander_ | ops... 1024 2048 |
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| 13:30.46 | cantido | sander_: xrandr said the display you're trying to create is 2560x1024 |
| 13:30.58 | sander_ | ok |
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| 13:33.41 | cantido | sander_: gnome and kde both have graphical frontends for xrandr |
| 13:34.10 | sander_ | cantido, where do I find that? |
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| 13:35.02 | Nibbler_ | Hi there; I have some trouble with debootstrap, i'm creating a i386 arch on my 64bits debian lenny, all looks good, I go into my chroot, put my source.list, but apt-get command doesn't exist, and dpkg give me some weird output, anyone had the same problem ? |
| 13:35.33 | JyZyXEL | doesn't dd have any sort of more verbose mode that would show the progress? |
| 13:35.41 | cantido | sander_: you'll still need to up the virtual display size... kde's is krandr in 3.5, its built into the system prefs thing in 4.x |
| 13:35.57 | sander_ | I use gnome |
| 13:36.13 | sander_ | Well.. I think i'll manage it |
| 13:36.39 | cantido | sander_: there's gnome xrandr applet |
| 13:37.48 | cirzgamanti | i have a file of md5sums, and a dir where all filenames start with an md5sum. i'm trying > cat <file>|xargs ls {}.*, but it complains the files do not exist (it only gets the {}, not the .*). how do i incorporate the {} into a regexp ? |
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| 13:39.02 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: did you read the man page? |
| 13:39.12 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 13:39.19 | abrotman | then read it again, you missed it |
| 13:39.45 | JyZyXEL | well theres the --help and the --version |
| 13:39.46 | abrotman | or you never read it in the first place |
| 13:40.31 | JyZyXEL | so guess im actually asking what is a tool that can do it |
| 13:40.35 | JyZyXEL | since dd can't |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | yes, it can, you just can't read |
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| 13:41.29 | JyZyXEL | maybe you haven't read it yourself |
| 13:41.44 | rgammans | abortman: you surprised me, but I see your point. But I doubt it is waht JyZyXEL is looking for. |
| 13:41.58 | abrotman | <JyZyXEL> doesn't dd have any sort of more verbose mode that would show the progress? |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | which is in the man page .. as usual, JyZyXEL just doesn't want to read anything |
| 13:42.10 | Nibbler_ | Hi there; I have some trouble with debootstrap, i'm creating a i386 arch on my 64bits debian lenny, all looks good, I go into my chroot, put my source.list, but apt-get command doesn't exist, and dpkg give me some weird output, anyone had the same problem ? |
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| 13:43.45 | JyZyXEL | Sending a USR1 signal to a running âddâ process makes it print I/O statistics to standard error and then resume copying. |
| 13:44.00 | JyZyXEL | is it that? |
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| 13:45.06 | rgammans | Yup; Try - while true; do sleep 1; kill -USR1 $pid; done |
| 13:45.33 | cantido | doesnt dd show transfer stats anyways? |
| 13:45.34 | sander_ | when I do: xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of DVI-0 ...I get both screens positioned to the right |
| 13:45.41 | JyZyXEL | cantido, no it doesn't |
| 13:45.50 | rgammans | Cantido - only at completion |
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| 13:46.24 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.25 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.28 | cantido | rgammans: I thought it printed progress at regular intervals.. haven't used it for ages |
| 13:46.39 | JyZyXEL | isn't that wrong |
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| 13:46.44 | JyZyXEL | last thing it does is kills the dd |
| 13:46.46 | JyZyXEL | and thats it |
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| 13:47.22 | abrotman | yes, that will kill it |
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| 13:47.46 | sander_ | !xrandr |
| 13:47.46 | JyZyXEL | umm |
| 13:47.47 | dpkg | xrandr is probably a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 13:47.48 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 13:48.14 | JyZyXEL | then i gotta start the process all over again |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | sander_: you can msg the bot |
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| 13:48.38 | JyZyXEL | what is the point in that |
| 13:48.53 | abrotman | you did it wrong |
| 13:49.08 | sander_ | abrotman, ok. |
| 13:49.12 | JyZyXEL | sure you see the stats of your transfer but you gotta start all over again |
| 13:49.17 | sander_ | abrotman, damn.. I dont get it |
| 13:49.21 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: you did it *wrong* |
| 13:49.31 | JyZyXEL | abrotman, it was a direct quote from the manual |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: that doesn't make it correct for your needs, it's an example |
| 13:50.47 | JyZyXEL | see i told you the thing im looking for is not in the manual |
| 13:51.08 | abrotman | yes, it is. you just can't adapt it to your own needs because you can't think for yourself |
| 13:51.40 | cantido | bit harsh on the ole #debian today.. |
| 13:51.40 | JyZyXEL | yea well thats why i asked for help in the first place |
| 13:51.51 | JyZyXEL | well he started |
| 13:52.04 | abrotman | cantido: this is a recurring problem with JyZyXEL |
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| 13:52.49 | cantido | JyZyXEL: you need to write a loop that does that sends the USR1 signal every so often.. |
| 13:53.13 | JyZyXEL | could use watch |
| 13:53.21 | cantido | JyZyXEL: http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/06/show-progress-during-dd-copy.html |
| 13:53.29 | cantido | JyZyXEL: first result in google |
| 13:53.41 | abrotman | cantido: see, that's the problem |
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| 13:54.02 | JyZyXEL | lol i suck at googling |
| 13:54.04 | cantido | s/that does// |
| 13:54.39 | cantido | if it's not on google, it ain't possible |
| 13:54.58 | bullgard4 | What is a 'Key file' in GNOME? see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526807 |
| 13:55.02 | abrotman | well, he got spoonfed again .. |
| 13:55.26 | JyZyXEL | yess |
| 13:55.31 | cantido | abrotman: some people just can't take things apart and work them out :/ |
| 13:55.49 | abrotman | cantido: some people are really lazy, and don't want to google or read man pages .. |
| 13:55.49 | JyZyXEL | well you don't actually ever hear about the problems i do solve myself |
| 13:56.07 | abrotman | bullgard4: which part of the bug? |
| 13:57.25 | bullgard4 | abrotman: gnome-session[9827]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /home/norbert/.config/autostart/fusion-icon.desktop: Key file does not have key 'Type' |
| 13:57.27 | sander_ | xrandr --output DVI-0 --output VGA-0 --same-as DVI-0 <-- When I switch same-as out with right-of I get the same result |
| 13:57.44 | sander_ | something aint as it should be |
| 13:58.01 | cantido | sander_: you don't need two output statements |
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| 13:59.02 | cantido | sander_: say you want DVI-0 to be on the right of VGA-0 .. you do xrandr --output DVI-0 --right-of VGA-0 |
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| 13:59.33 | cantido | sander_: you could also do xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of DVI-0 and get the same result |
| 13:59.42 | sander_ | cantido, when I do that.. it becomes almost the same as --same-as |
| 14:00.12 | cantido | sander_: --same-as is for mirroring isn't it? |
| 14:00.17 | sander_ | yes |
| 14:00.27 | sander_ | Means it dosnt work |
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| 14:00.28 | abrotman | bullgard4: it's that file that it's referring to |
| 14:01.08 | abrotman | bullgard4: if you look at some other files in that directory, they have the Type field (one would presume, mine do) |
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| 14:01.12 | sander_ | cantido, I get both screens at the left when I do left-of.. and both screens at the right when I do right-of |
| 14:01.38 | cantido | sander_: I can't actually find --same-as in the man page.. |
| 14:01.49 | cantido | sander_: you only specify one output though.. |
| 14:02.06 | sander_ | cantido, Yes.. only one output |
| 14:02.14 | sander_ | same result with one |
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| 14:02.57 | bullgard4 | abrotman: I do not know what is meant by the term 'key file', and your messages seem not to answer this question. |
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| 14:03.36 | abrotman | bullgard4: look at the file it's talking about .. you'll see a bunch of lines. Normally there would be a Type line, but it appears to be missing |
| 14:04.20 | bullgard4 | abrotman: This is indeed the case. |
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| 14:05.24 | abrotman | bullgard4: and it would that file it's complaining about is the Key File |
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| 14:05.30 | abrotman | or is a Key File |
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| 14:06.06 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Thank you. |
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| 14:11.59 | Igloo | Hi all |
| 14:12.17 | Igloo | When I start X, or switch to it from the console, it sets my screen brightness to maximum |
| 14:12.34 | Igloo | Does anyone know how to stop it doing that please? |
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| 14:14.14 | sander_ | Anything new? |
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| 14:15.20 | sander_ | There must be some kinda bug.. i've read a faq and did exactly what it said.. |
| 14:15.27 | sander_ | and it still dosnt work |
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| 14:17.29 | Igloo | Aha, "xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL legacy" seems to do the trick |
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| 14:18.54 | sander_ | Igloo, didnt work for me |
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| 14:19.43 | Phil4 | I'm having a pretty major issue with a debian box |
| 14:19.54 | Phil4 | it rebooted due to power outage and, on boot, it doesn't seem to be sending any packets out of its network interfaces |
| 14:20.16 | Phil4 | although ifconfig appears to be logging packets in and out |
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| 14:22.35 | Phil4 | can anyone perhaps suggest a cause/some diagnostic steps? |
| 14:23.05 | azeem_ | Phil4: ping it |
| 14:23.12 | Phil4 | azeem_, doesn't work |
| 14:23.14 | azeem_ | Phil4: are you only remote? |
| 14:23.15 | Phil4 | nor can it ping out |
| 14:23.17 | Phil4 | doesn't even arp |
| 14:23.20 | Phil4 | no, I'm local |
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| 14:23.29 | azeem_ | is a route set? |
| 14:23.35 | Phil4 | yup |
| 14:23.46 | azeem_ | and you can't ping the gateway either? |
| 14:23.47 | Phil4 | can't even ping the local gateway |
| 14:23.48 | azeem_ | can you ping localhost? |
| 14:23.53 | Phil4 | yeh |
| 14:23.57 | Phil4 | and the IP of the interface |
| 14:24.15 | azeem_ | maybe check dmesg for issues with the network card |
| 14:24.21 | Phil4 | sec |
| 14:24.30 | azeem_ | sounds like it might be a hardware problem, dunni |
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| 14:28.31 | GoldElite382 | Does anyone know how to get a tablet working under HAL? It used to be fine, but since X 1.5 I'm lucky if I can get it to work as a second mouse...nothing online seems to help! |
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| 14:31.08 | bbelt16ag | hey what's a good audio editor got amp3 I need to clip out some talkin. |
| 14:31.20 | bbelt16ag | audacity? |
| 14:31.25 | bbelt16ag | I don't remember the names.. |
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| 14:32.22 | abrotman | audacity,yes |
| 14:33.40 | umarzuki | hi, i have problem compiling and installing wl driver for my bcm 4315. Make can't find the Make file eventhough it is on the current folder |
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| 14:34.48 | Phil4 | azeem_, nothing special in dmesg |
| 14:34.59 | Phil4 | and debsums reports all packages as ok |
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| 14:35.21 | Phil4 | and the hardware is fine as I've booted an Ubuntu live cd on the box and that is happy enough |
| 14:35.33 | umarzuki | http://paste.debian.net/40960/ |
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| 14:36.03 | azeem_ | Phil4: weird; maybe post to the debian-user mailing list then with as much information as you can gather |
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| 14:36.23 | azeem_ | Phil4: did the kernel or other major parts get updated since the last reboot before the failure? |
| 14:36.33 | Phil4 | don't think so |
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| 14:36.40 | abrotman | Phil4: do you have an older kernel still installed that you can try? |
| 14:36.43 | Phil4 | it's still using .26-2 |
| 14:36.48 | Phil4 | yeh, tried .26-1 |
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| 14:37.08 | abrotman | Phil4: only one NIC in the box? |
| 14:37.20 | Phil4 | 2 onboard and 2 on a PCI |
| 14:37.22 | Phil4 | tried them all |
| 14:37.46 | abrotman | how many are listed in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 14:37.52 | Phil4 | sec |
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| 14:38.09 | Caesarli | What have I gotta do, when I want to do the partition and mountig work on my own instead of letting the installer do it? I already partitionated the HD. Is it enough, when I mount it under /target? |
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| 14:39.05 | Phil4 | abrotman, 4 |
| 14:39.35 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: try: su make |
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| 14:39.52 | abrotman | Phil4: and you're saying that the RS/TX is fine? and there are no errors ? |
| 14:39.54 | jdizzle | anyone experienced with the live-helper stuff? |
| 14:39.58 | Phil4 | no errors |
| 14:40.05 | teknishun | Hi, I am on Lenny 5.0.2. When I try to update & upgrade from Synaptic it shows me same packagaes I remember to have upgraded to latest packages yesterday |
| 14:40.11 | Phil4 | reports sending and receiving |
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| 14:40.22 | apo | Hello. I'm running sid on my internet gateway and I'm having problems connecting to it... |
| 14:40.39 | apo | Connection to the internet from the gw works fine, but it can't connect to any clients on my LAN |
| 14:40.39 | teknishun | The packages are all 'texlive-base' packages |
| 14:40.42 | apo | or vice versa |
| 14:41.00 | apo | Any ideas? |
| 14:42.01 | abrotman | Phil4: so if you ping the gateway, it works? |
| 14:42.05 | Phil4 | nop, abrotman |
| 14:42.07 | umarzuki | Rusty1: i'm running as root |
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| 14:42.10 | Phil4 | can't ping anything |
| 14:42.24 | Phil4 | there's 2 connected interfaces, one WAN and the other LAN |
| 14:42.33 | Phil4 | can't ping out of either |
| 14:42.42 | jdizzle | i've been trying to build an image with the live-helper but after I run lh_binary, I don't get an image file anywhere. What gives? |
| 14:42.52 | abrotman | Phil4: can you ping from say .. eth0 to eth0 ? |
| 14:42.58 | Phil4 | yeh, that works |
| 14:43.00 | adb | jdizzle: tried #debian-live on irc.ortc.net ? |
| 14:43.16 | adb | .oftc.* |
| 14:43.54 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: paste ls -l |
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| 14:44.06 | Phil4 | unless it's gone and confused interface names :S |
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| 14:44.28 | abrotman | Phil4: your route should help you figure that out i'd think |
| 14:44.41 | Phil4 | the routes are fine, abrotman |
| 14:44.49 | Phil4 | but it's all statically assigned |
| 14:44.50 | jdizzle | adb: thanks! |
| 14:44.54 | Phil4 | I'll go set DHCP assign on all interfaces, connect them all to the switch and see what happens |
| 14:44.58 | umarzuki | Rusty1: http://paste.debian.net/40963/ |
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| 14:45.00 | Phil4 | see if any of them can get an IP |
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| 14:45.09 | yacyac | hello.. i have just finished the net install.. how do i go ahead |
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| 14:45.23 | abrotman | go ahead with what? |
| 14:45.43 | Phil4 | first, yacyac, have a beer and admire your work |
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| 14:45.53 | yacyac | lol |
| 14:45.57 | yacyac | did that |
| 14:45.59 | yacyac | now what lol |
| 14:46.09 | abrotman | what do you want to do with it? |
| 14:46.28 | yacyac | i need to get gui |
| 14:46.37 | yacyac | maybe kde or gnome |
| 14:46.44 | Phil4 | apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome |
| 14:46.46 | abrotman | well, which do you want ? |
| 14:47.02 | abrotman | first, use aptitude, second, it's 'xorg' |
| 14:47.05 | yacyac | which is good |
| 14:47.14 | abrotman | yacyac: just pick one to try please |
| 14:47.14 | yacyac | i guess aptitude is already there |
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| 14:47.36 | abrotman | you can always install the other later and try it then |
| 14:47.59 | yacyac | yeah |
| 14:48.01 | yacyac | true |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | so which do you want ? |
| 14:48.40 | yacyac | it says invalid operation xserver-xorg |
| 14:48.46 | yacyac | kde |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | yacyac: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 14:49.53 | yacyac | it says that couldnt find any package whose name or descip matched "kde" |
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| 14:50.25 | abrotman | yacyac: how many lines are in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:50.25 | yacyac | do i need to fetch the filelist |
| 14:50.29 | yacyac | something like that |
| 14:51.13 | yacyac | 13lines |
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| 14:51.32 | abrotman | yacyac: can you paste them at paste.debian.org ? |
| 14:51.35 | abrotman | erm .. paste.debian.net |
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| 14:51.50 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: make whilst cd to the directory a no go ? |
| 14:51.52 | yacyac | i cant.. i am on my desktop and i am installing on my laptop |
| 14:52.14 | abrotman | yacyac: aptitude update && aptitude install kde kdm xorg .. does that work better ? |
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| 14:52.27 | umarzuki | Rusty1: i'm in that directory while running make |
| 14:52.37 | yacyac | let me try |
| 14:52.52 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: make with no options? |
| 14:53.03 | yacyac | trying to connect |
| 14:53.03 | abrotman | does it have a configure script? |
| 14:53.36 | umarzuki | Rusty1: make -C /lib/modules/<2.6.xx.xx>/build M=`pwd` |
| 14:53.49 | yacyac | i think it is not connecting |
| 14:53.54 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: make with no options, try that |
| 14:53.56 | umarzuki | i followed steps at http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | yacyac: wired or wireless ? |
| 14:54.02 | yacyac | wired as of now |
| 14:54.11 | yacyac | i have plugged in the wire |
| 14:54.23 | abrotman | yacyac: can you ping your router? |
| 14:54.48 | yacyac | it is pinging to my gateway |
| 14:54.54 | adb | yacyac: try , aptitude install xorg kdm kdebase |
| 14:55.08 | abrotman | adb: it can't even connect ot the mirrors |
| 14:55.17 | yacyac | it is not pinging to google |
| 14:55.39 | yacyac | how do i check the network configuration |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | yacyac: does `host www.google.com` work ? |
| 14:56.17 | yacyac | i think i figured out |
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| 14:57.02 | yacyac | how do i add 2 name servers in resolve.conf |
| 14:57.17 | abrotman | you probably want to use your router if it's a dlink/netgear kind of think |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | thing |
| 14:57.34 | abrotman | otherwise put like "server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:57.43 | umarzuki | Rusty1: it says "no target" |
| 14:57.52 | yacyac | i have added 2 nameserver as |
| 14:58.02 | yacyac | nameserver 111.111.111.111 |
| 14:58.09 | yacyac | name server 222.222.222.222 |
| 14:58.59 | yacyac | i am rebooting |
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| 14:59.05 | yacyac | lets see if it works |
| 14:59.24 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 14:59.43 | abrotman | erm .. yeah .. 'nameserver' .. |
| 14:59.47 | abrotman | needs a nap |
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| 14:59.52 | anigma | when I uninstall pure-ftpd with 'apt-get remove pure-ftpd-common pure-ftpd'... how do I get rid of all the config files etc? |
| 15:00.06 | abrotman | anigma: you would purge it |
| 15:00.12 | anigma | purge it? |
| 15:00.17 | abrotman | anigma: you would purge it |
| 15:00.21 | umarzuki | Rusty1: then? |
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| 15:00.29 | anigma | and exactly how do I purge it? |
| 15:00.40 | JyZyXEL | anigma, dpkg --purge |
| 15:00.46 | abrotman | anigma: man apt-get |
| 15:01.02 | abrotman | anigma: and if you've already removed the packages, but conf files remain, man dpkg |
| 15:01.31 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: ls -l |
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| 15:02.35 | umarzuki | Rusty1: http://paste.debian.net/40964/ |
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| 15:06.27 | yacyac | what is the command to download all files first and then compile |
| 15:06.39 | abrotman | they're packages .. and that's how aptitude already works |
| 15:06.43 | Seyyedali | my lan chip is VIA VT6103L , How find driver? |
| 15:06.55 | abrotman | Seyyedali: lspci -nn .. what is the PCIID? |
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| 15:08.45 | Seyyedali | abrotman:i have not internet in linux,i use Windows to find driver for parsix gnulinux |
| 15:09.21 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: i can't see anything wrong |
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| 15:09.27 | abrotman | Seyyedali: please ask #parsix or ##linux .. we do support Debian here, not everything else |
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| 15:09.46 | Seyyedali | abrotman:Tank you |
| 15:10.02 | umarzuki | Rusty1: i managed to get my wireless working with ndiswrapper, but this problem baffles me, it is a freshly installed lenny |
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| 15:10.25 | Rusty1 | b43-fwcutter any good, umarzuki ? |
| 15:10.45 | umarzuki | Rusty1: bcm4315 is not supported |
| 15:10.58 | Rusty1 | i havent played with the broadcomm stuff in a couple years |
| 15:11.44 | Phil4 | abrotman, it did rename all of the interfaces... |
| 15:12.03 | umarzuki | Rusty1: thanks for helping anyway |
| 15:12.10 | Phil4 | is that file you pointed out before the mapping of mac addresses to interface names? |
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| 15:12.23 | abrotman | Phil4: yes |
| 15:12.42 | Phil4 | is it safe to make it immutable? |
| 15:12.54 | Phil4 | to prevent this happening again |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | i wouldn't do that .. i would just edit it to be what you want it to be |
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| 15:13.04 | abrotman | and maybe create a backup |
| 15:13.13 | Phil4 | well, it was fine before so I'm not sure why it changed :S |
| 15:13.21 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: you can try make -d , but i don't think it will help |
| 15:13.25 | abrotman | blames cows |
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| 15:14.15 | Phil4 | lost a week of e-mails now -_- |
| 15:14.16 | Phil4 | urgh |
| 15:14.19 | dwschool | is there a way to read the subject line and pass it into a script for exim4 forward file? |
| 15:14.36 | Phil4 | lets see how long the sending mail servers queue mail |
| 15:14.36 | Phil4 | heh |
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| 15:15.58 | abrotman | Phil4: you can flush the queue |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | dwschool: procmail i think is what you mean |
| 15:16.16 | Phil4 | abrotman, the mail servers of the senders, not mine |
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| 15:16.36 | abrotman | Phil4: oh .. depends on their configured timeout .. i think most are 8-10 days |
| 15:16.41 | Phil4 | hrmmm |
| 15:17.10 | Phil4 | it's been 9 days |
| 15:17.11 | abrotman | you mean it's been broken for a week and you just noticed? |
| 15:17.22 | Phil4 | I've been away |
| 15:17.42 | Phil4 | I've had people nagging me for the last week about it and I've been able to do nothing |
| 15:17.46 | Rusty1 | umarzuki: you following http://blogfranz.blogspot.com/2009/06/netbook-broadcom-43xx-cards-with-debian.html ? |
| 15:17.48 | dwschool | abrotman: i have fethmail check a mailbox, exim4 is delivering it to the use one the local system, there I have a .forward file to execute a script - works fine - now i want to read the subject line and use if in the script |
| 15:17.54 | dwschool | do i need procmail for this? |
| 15:18.09 | abrotman | that's what it sounds like you're asking |
| 15:18.16 | Phil4 | I've been meaning to set up a backup MX |
| 15:18.26 | Phil4 | this will provide some incentive |
| 15:18.26 | Phil4 | heh |
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| 15:22.17 | case_ | helloos, how do i release a dhcp lease with dhclient? |
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| 15:24.27 | almost | what if any, are the security issues by adding 'finger' to access a gunpg key on a server? |
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| 15:28.16 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:28.25 | dwschool | abrotman: how do i read the subject of the email into my scipt? |
| 15:28.33 | ajavid | Happy ID to my American Debianers |
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| 15:29.33 | case_ | would it be appropiate to type some fireworks ascii into the channel? |
| 15:29.36 | ajavid | My first independence day since I became a citizen! yay! Happy 4th of July to everyone, peace love and prosperity to all. |
| 15:29.58 | ajavid | moving this right along... |
| 15:30.05 | adb | case_: no |
| 15:30.26 | case_ | adb: you sure? :) |
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| 15:30.37 | adb | case_: try #debian-offtopic |
| 15:31.06 | case_ | pluh |
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| 15:31.35 | mnemonic | hi |
| 15:31.35 | ajavid | adb, did you know that there is a linux only video downloader for iceweasel addon that converts the video to mpg or ogg or whatever from flv WHILE it downloads |
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| 15:31.59 | ajavid | adb, unfortunately this one redownloads agian, instead of copying from the cache to the other place |
| 15:32.19 | adb | ajavid: i dunno , sorry |
| 15:32.44 | ajavid | but all in all, 3.5 on stable is 100% a-ok. I installed all my plugins via debian pacakges and debian-multimedia, never had to make symlinks or nothing |
| 15:32.49 | ajavid | adb, it uses mencoder |
| 15:33.06 | ajavid | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006 |
| 15:33.32 | ajavid | 3.5 correctly detected all the plugins installed via debian packages and those symlinks are not in ~/.mozilla/ |
| 15:33.48 | ajavid | they are just in /usr/lib or whereever firefox 3.5 installs |
| 15:34.11 | ajavid | since it is now released, I'm just waiting for iceweasel3.5 |
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| 15:37.01 | ajavid | judd versions iceweasel |
| 15:37.02 | judd | ajavid: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 |
| 15:37.09 | ajavid | motherfucker |
| 15:37.32 | abrotman | ajavid: already done |
| 15:37.42 | ajavid | please show me! where |
| 15:37.44 | ajavid | I want |
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| 15:40.32 | deebee | hi |
| 15:40.39 | drakeman | hi |
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| 15:40.50 | ajavid | abrotman, ? |
| 15:41.23 | abrotman | ajavid: ? |
| 15:41.53 | ajavid | 10:31 < abrotman> ajavid: already done |
| 15:41.59 | ajavid | were you talking about iceweasel 3.5? |
| 15:42.07 | deebee | could anyone recommend me a debian ftpd with ssl support (lenny)? |
| 15:42.16 | abrotman | vsftpd does i believe |
| 15:42.21 | abrotman | !depends vsftpd lenny |
| 15:42.41 | deebee | i go check |
| 15:42.44 | deebee | thank you =) |
| 15:42.53 | abrotman | or the bot might respond soon :( |
| 15:42.55 | dpkg | vsftpd: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcap1, libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), libpam-modules, adduser, netbase |
| 15:43.26 | ajavid | http://vsftpd.beasts.org/vsftpd_conf.html |
| 15:43.46 | ajavid | look here, search for directives containing ssl (also on google "vsftpd ssl howto") |
| 15:43.54 | deebee | cool :) |
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| 15:43.58 | deebee | thank you |
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| 15:44.33 | ajavid | abrotman, were you talking about iceweasel 3.5? |
| 15:44.40 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 15:44.44 | ajavid | lol |
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| 15:44.56 | ajavid | awesome, well I'd like to know :) |
| 15:45.27 | abrotman | ajavid: bah .. only going to work on unstable currently |
| 15:45.30 | fxiny | why not : "xmonad, well I'd like to know ?" ? |
| 15:46.24 | ajavid | abrotman, why? |
| 15:46.24 | abrotman | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9 |
| 15:46.25 | judd | abrotman: xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: 1.9.0.7-0lenny2 lenny-security: 1.9.0.11-0lenny1 squeeze: 1.9.0.11-0lenny1 sid: 1.9.0.11-1 |
| 15:46.31 | abrotman | oh .. not even .. hrm |
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| 15:47.32 | ajavid | abrotman, what are you on about? what do you mean it won't run/work? The precompiled Shiretoko3.5pre1 AMD64 build works on lenny AMD64 here |
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| 15:47.52 | ajavid | abrotman, but how hard can it be to build xulrunner, or whatever else it needs |
| 15:47.53 | abrotman | ajavid: they're packages .. they have dependencies ? |
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| 15:48.02 | ajavid | they could be overridden |
| 15:48.11 | ajavid | its not a big deal (those dependencies) |
| 15:48.32 | ajavid | I also didn't see the iceweasel3.5 packages on ftp master, where are you seeing them? |
| 15:48.46 | ajavid | fxiny, the IT psycho patch was also a fail |
| 15:48.55 | azeem_ | experimental and/or the maintainer's private archive |
| 15:48.58 | abrotman | installs fancy debian IW3.5 packages |
| 15:48.59 | fxiny | ajavid: it works fine here |
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| 15:49.03 | ajavid | azeem_, ahh |
| 15:49.15 | ajavid | fxiny, which kernel? 2.6.30-1 |
| 15:49.16 | fxiny | on a lenny LUKSified box |
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| 15:50.19 | fxiny | ajavid: i run stable only |
| 15:50.20 | ajavid | fxiny, the official package downloadable from IT Psycho is for .29 (the .30 one I could not find, I tried to see if .29 patch would apply, 7 hunks failed, no dice) |
| 15:50.32 | ajavid | fxiny, I do too, but I have 2.6.30-1 kernel (for ext4) |
| 15:50.42 | ajavid | fxiny, thats why I can use lenny kernel |
| 15:50.46 | ajavid | can not* |
| 15:51.01 | fxiny | so you are not running stable but some fank&stein thingy |
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| 15:51.11 | ajavid | its stable with a .30 kernel? |
| 15:51.26 | ajavid | I don't see anything being wrong with that |
| 15:51.41 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps anybody use curlftps? |
| 15:51.42 | fxiny | ajavid: vmwarez 1.9 or 2 works fine in lenny , i dislike 2 so i've checked 1.9 |
| 15:51.47 | bbelt16ag | http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:51.56 | bbelt16ag | I am tyring to get the .netrc file to work, |
| 15:51.58 | ajavid | fxiny, I see |
| 15:52.12 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, I have it setup, its fine, though you really really don't want this. |
| 15:52.16 | ajavid | you really don't want this. |
| 15:52.16 | fxiny | ajavid: lemme see the exact psycho version patch i used |
| 15:52.19 | bbelt16ag | why |
| 15:52.35 | yang | Could someone tell me which package do I miss, when compileing ends with such error - http://pastebin.ca/1483903 |
| 15:52.46 | bbelt16ag | I need to sync my files to this ftp this is the only way I can do it. |
| 15:52.47 | ajavid | its ftp, its insecure, its highly insecure, its slow as a fat junebug in really thick molasses |
| 15:52.55 | bbelt16ag | don't care. |
| 15:53.03 | bbelt16ag | now how do I get .netrc to work. |
| 15:53.08 | ajavid | what if your queue has an issue |
| 15:53.08 | fxiny | ajavid: 948ad20e3823663a597a25a83618a1b4 vmware-any-any-update117-itpsycho.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:53.36 | bbelt16ag | its three files... |
| 15:53.38 | abrotman | yang: why are you compiling the OFTC IRC services ? |
| 15:53.40 | ajavid | it won't syn right, you don't sync via ftp man, c'mon, and also, if so, you may wish to actually setup according to your ftpd is setup, timeouts, transfers etc. etc. |
| 15:53.52 | abrotman | yang: and wouldn't it make more sense to ask on OFTC ? |
| 15:53.54 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, put in ~/.netrc and put ftp login details there |
| 15:54.00 | bbelt16ag | these are my permissions on the file |
| 15:54.03 | bbelt16ag | -rwxr-xr-x 1 erin erin 70 2009-07-04 11:50 .netrc |
| 15:54.04 | yang | abrotman: nobody is present |
| 15:54.12 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, looks fine |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | nobody is present where? |
| 15:54.28 | yang | abrotman: in the support channel |
| 15:54.32 | abrotman | in which one?! |
| 15:54.36 | fxiny | ajavid: that is for the official stable kernel |
| 15:54.39 | bbelt16ag | info in the file now I made a line in /etc/hosts for the ip to see if that would work. |
| 15:54.48 | yang | abrotman: -staff |
| 15:54.52 | bbelt16ag | this is the error |
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| 15:55.01 | abrotman | yang: did you try asking in #oftc ? |
| 15:55.07 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.12 | ajavid | fxiny, I see. but he does have one for .29 I saw it |
| 15:55.15 | bbelt16ag | .2$cat .netrc >>> machine ftp-josh |
| 15:55.18 | ajavid | fxiny, thats the only link i could find |
| 15:55.24 | bbelt16ag | sorry should of used pastebin |
| 15:55.28 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, 3 lines, machine, login, password |
| 15:55.33 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, 3 directives in this file you need |
| 15:55.42 | yang | abrotman: there is no need to ask there, I can ask in -staff if I will get the answer I don't know....It used to compile well earlier, now I think with upgrade to squeeze some packages got removed |
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| 15:56.13 | abrotman | yang: okay, but now you're asking #debian .. go ask #oftc on irc.oftc.net .. there are probably more people in that channel than the -staff channel |
| 15:56.15 | bbelt16ag | I got them |
| 15:56.16 | cahoot | ajavid: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=376 |
| 15:56.27 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/344/mounting-ftp-host-to-local-directory-on-top-of-fuse/ |
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| 15:56.31 | ajavid | cahoot, ? |
| 15:56.35 | yang | abrotman: ok, I thought that someone might know here too...sorry |
| 15:56.46 | abrotman | ajavid: that's the link for IW3.5 |
| 15:56.48 | ajavid | cahoot, sweet |
| 15:56.58 | abrotman | ajavid: sorry, forgot to paste that for you :) |
| 15:57.07 | cahoot | abrotman: cruel |
| 15:57.16 | abrotman | cahoot: only if you really want IW3.5 |
| 15:57.31 | ajavid | abrotman, np |
| 15:57.33 | cahoot | he seems rather so |
| 15:57.45 | ajavid | who is cruel? |
| 15:57.49 | ajavid | who seems rather waht? |
| 15:57.58 | cahoot | anxious? |
| 15:58.00 | ajavid | ya'll conspirin' against me? |
| 15:58.08 | ajavid | I keel jo0! |
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| 15:58.29 | ajavid | reading blog now |
| 15:58.35 | abrotman | yang: would you like me to ask #oftc for you? |
| 15:59.15 | fxiny | i thinbk 3.5 should be packaged for lenny , voletile ? dmm ? volatile will be nice . google search suggests removing icewesel which is a bullshit , mozilla 3.5 can work leaving iceweasel installed |
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| 15:59.29 | azeem | fxiny: hrm? |
| 15:59.29 | abrotman | fxiny: from what i could tell, it would work on lenny |
| 15:59.35 | yang | abrotman: no, thanks |
| 15:59.37 | ajavid | it does work on lenny |
| 15:59.43 | ajavid | I'm using it right nwo |
| 15:59.43 | azeem | fxiny: it will be in backports at some point I guess |
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| 16:00.04 | ajavid | it works without having to do anything (the prebuild binary image that is, not debian package) |
| 16:00.17 | fxiny | azeem: yes , if you google for "lenny otr debian firefox3.5" some a* suggests removing iceweasel |
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| 16:00.26 | ajavid | (the Shiretoko3.5pre1 20090703 |
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| 16:00.52 | ajavid | fxiny, thats not google, thats just some people writing article on how to use firefox on lenny |
| 16:01.07 | bbelt16ag | ajavid: I was in the bin dir not ~ * bonks self* |
| 16:01.09 | ajavid | fxiny, I doubt googl will ever condone the removal of fierfox |
| 16:01.09 | azeem | fxiny: why would I want to google for that? |
| 16:01.11 | fxiny | azeem: backports ? good news . i hate idiots suggesting that official debian packages should be removed for mozilla.org firefox |
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| 16:01.41 | fxiny | azeem: average new user will search google |
| 16:01.42 | ajavid | I mean of iceweasel |
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| 16:01.52 | ajavid | fxiny, true |
| 16:02.11 | fxiny | and the answer is : remove iceweasel |
| 16:02.11 | bbelt16ag | GRRRRR |
| 16:02.11 | arewenothorses | Hi, I would like to set up a proxy on my Debian server that would lead everyone who connects to it through another proxy (the existing one) - is it possible to achieve and which server is best suited for these purposes? |
| 16:02.11 | ajavid | though if you remove iceweasel, it causes problems |
| 16:02.13 | bbelt16ag | I don't want to run it as root gRRRR |
| 16:02.15 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, u alright |
| 16:02.21 | bbelt16ag | damn FUSE |
| 16:02.25 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, don't do it as roto man |
| 16:02.35 | bbelt16ag | roto? |
| 16:02.38 | ajavid | its usespace, you don't need root |
| 16:02.43 | ajavid | roto = root typo |
| 16:02.53 | bbelt16ag | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 16:02.59 | ajavid | you are not in fuse group |
| 16:03.04 | bbelt16ag | ahhh |
| 16:03.07 | ajavid | hence ,no permission |
| 16:03.08 | bbelt16ag | sorry... |
| 16:03.11 | ajavid | np |
| 16:03.20 | bbelt16ag | been working on this stupid script for days |
| 16:03.30 | bbelt16ag | its almost as bad as the text file db |
| 16:03.39 | ajavid | !ftp must die |
| 16:03.39 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 16:03.51 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, if you host offers ssh access, try sshfs |
| 16:03.55 | ajavid | much more reliable AND secure. |
| 16:04.12 | bbelt16ag | it don't its free what uexepctt |
| 16:04.31 | bbelt16ag | unless you know a place I can ssh for free seend like 100 mb at a time and sync to like once a day.. |
| 16:04.32 | bbelt16ag | seek |
| 16:04.50 | fxiny | abrotman: yes , 3.5 works on lenny , but i can't see any improvement on my old PII 400 , iceweasel works fine |
| 16:04.57 | ajavid | you can buy hosting with full stuff and ssh access for like 20$/mo (vps) you don't need dedicated full server |
| 16:05.14 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, or try slicehost (don't do shared hosting period no matter how cheap it is) |
| 16:05.16 | bbelt16ag | 20$ high way robberly |
| 16:05.21 | ajavid | lol |
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| 16:05.32 | bbelt16ag | ok once I get a job sure not now though broke |
| 16:05.38 | bbelt16ag | need that money for poptarts! |
| 16:05.38 | ajavid | sure |
| 16:06.03 | abrotman | fxiny: the only thing you might see would be JS performance |
| 16:06.33 | ajavid | ff3.5 with <noscript> and its tracemonkey == pretty damn fast on the interwebs |
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| 16:07.02 | ajavid | though the linux version is not as improved as the windows one, it still lags a lot (compared to windows, but not to iceweasel 3.0.11) |
| 16:07.20 | fxiny | abrotman: gmail ? maybe a couple of secs , no more then that |
| 16:07.33 | ajavid | in fact, whats really fucked up is that ff3.5 works FASTER in wine than on native linux |
| 16:07.40 | ajavid | now to me, thats just horrible. |
| 16:08.00 | ajavid | its like mozilla says, we dont' give a fuck about linux optimization, those linux geeks can to f themselves |
| 16:08.03 | ajavid | thats sad. |
| 16:08.19 | abrotman | fxiny: okay .. let me get out and push .. your computer is slow :) |
| 16:08.57 | fxiny | abrotman: yes , is slow |
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| 16:09.50 | ajavid | fxiny, how slow? |
| 16:09.58 | fxiny | and it can still run stable : woody , sarge , etch . lenny . same cpu , little ram |
| 16:10.08 | ajavid | i have a giant! |
| 16:10.26 | action09 | oy |
| 16:10.51 | ajavid | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz cpu MHz : 3009.898 MemTotal: 8198168 kB |
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| 16:11.31 | ajavid | oh wtf, I thought I set the fsb to 500, oh man... i forgot to save settings, i been running 500mhz slower than I should be |
| 16:11.49 | ajavid | and I didn't even notice. |
| 16:12.35 | fxiny | ajavid: PII 400 , ask enouf : we are deschutes blood brothers . dont't forget to ask him , he will love it :P |
| 16:12.45 | ajavid | oh my god |
| 16:12.53 | ajavid | you goodamn calculator lovers! |
| 16:12.55 | ajavid | :) |
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| 16:13.43 | ajavid | fxiny, #debian-chat (lets go pick on enouf) |
| 16:13.53 | valan | meanies |
| 16:14.13 | fxiny | ajavid: you go ahead , i stay here |
| 16:14.16 | valan | at least pick on him in #debian-offtopic so i can watch! |
| 16:14.23 | ajavid | word,hes sleepin anyway |
| 16:14.33 | ajavid | fxiny, enough is my bitch. |
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| 16:15.02 | ajavid | almost noontime, gotta prepare for bbw, and i think meatballs needs a bath |
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| 16:15.20 | ajavid | bbq* |
| 16:15.23 | ajavid | not bbw... shit. |
| 16:15.37 | abrotman | so much so that you couldn't use his real name .. |
| 16:15.51 | ajavid | I don't want to in #debian |
| 16:15.59 | ajavid | I'm not sure if I'm at the liberty to say his real name on irc. |
| 16:16.13 | abrotman | so you're scared of enouf .. got it |
| 16:16.23 | ajavid | no, respectful. He is a dear friend. |
| 16:16.35 | abrotman | see above where you didn't use his real nick .. |
| 16:16.38 | bbelt16ag | ok it say this The user `erin' is already a member of `fuse'. |
| 16:16.55 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, did you logout all the way and login again? |
| 16:16.57 | bbelt16ag | crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-07-04 11:13 /dev/fuse |
| 16:16.57 | bbelt16ag | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 16:16.58 | azeem | bbelt16ag: does fuse show up in the output of "groups" |
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| 16:17.03 | bbelt16ag | all the way |
| 16:17.04 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.06 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 16:17.09 | bbelt16ag | reboot? |
| 16:17.11 | ajavid | no |
| 16:17.12 | azeem | 18:14 < azeem> bbelt16ag: does fuse show up in the output of "groups" |
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| 16:17.19 | bbelt16ag | nope |
| 16:17.31 | bbelt16ag | erin dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
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| 16:17.43 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, and adduser erin fuse says you already in there? |
| 16:17.47 | ajavid | AND you logged out and in? |
| 16:18.14 | bbelt16ag | logged out of the terminal or gnome ? |
| 16:18.20 | ajavid | log out of the system |
| 16:18.20 | bbelt16ag | termina yes gnome no |
| 16:18.25 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 16:18.30 | ajavid | all the way to 1 single console, and logout of console |
| 16:18.36 | ajavid | if you don't know how to do that, just reboot. |
| 16:18.36 | bbelt16ag | nope |
| 16:18.43 | cahoot | su <user> would work in that term |
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| 16:19.39 | ajavid | abrotman, oh lol, I mean s/enough/enouf |
| 16:19.59 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 16:20.34 | bbelt16ag | got it now woot |
| 16:20.36 | fxiny | ajavid: too late : the PII lodge mafia hired a hit man ! |
| 16:20.55 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, when we say logout completely, it means log out of gnome, if you have GDM, thats all you need to do, if you do startx, you need to end X, and logout of console, like make sure your user is fully logged out of the system, and is not logged in anywhere |
| 16:21.24 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, nm |
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| 16:23.32 | Emery | Why would i use partitioning scheme : seperate /home. /usr, /var ... instead of all files on one partition ? |
| 16:24.57 | azeem | Emery: if you don't know, you can safely put them all on one partition |
| 16:25.07 | azeem | damn |
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| 16:30.48 | bbelt16ag | I did |
| 16:30.50 | bbelt16ag | me cool |
| 16:30.56 | ajavid | word. |
| 16:30.57 | bbelt16ag | now it just won't work at all hehe |
| 16:31.08 | bbelt16ag | won't let me copy anything to it |
| 16:31.11 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 16:31.36 | ajavid | im here by myself all alone :( |
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| 16:32.12 | ajavid | im just reading dev docs, what u doin? |
| 16:32.32 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, told ya ftp sucks. Anyway, what are the error messages in ftp log? |
| 16:32.47 | ajavid | should be a fuse log in /var/log somewhere |
| 16:33.08 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 16:33.59 | bbelt16ag | can't find one.. |
| 16:34.15 | bbelt16ag | screw it I am gonna send it to a friend then have him put it on his computer |
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| 16:35.41 | ajavid | also, I'm not sure exactly how curlftpfs works |
| 16:36.04 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, I am willing to bet that it doesn't use persistent ftp connections and has to establish a connection each time a sync needs to be made |
| 16:36.17 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 16:36.21 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, as such, if your ftpd only allows like 1 or 2 simultaneous connections, you'll be fucked |
| 16:36.35 | bbelt16ag | no bigger I find a place to ssh to anf sftp it there oncei get a job |
| 16:36.36 | ajavid | if you try to copy a batch of files it may scew up |
| 16:37.11 | ajavid | also, since it doesn't use persistence conenctions, on each sync a full conenction needs to be made, slowing down fuseftp even more |
| 16:38.12 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, where do you live? are you only 16? (from the nickname) |
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| 16:38.23 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, 16 year olds can legally work in usa |
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| 16:42.53 | ajavid | fxiny, I think I'll just go with Xen + qemu for windows xp (only need it for adobe illustrator and photoshop and dreamweaver) so vnc connection is ok. In fact, it is xp, so rdp should be fine, and as far as I remember, RDP is tons faster than vnc, as it doesn't update entire screens or entire chunks of screens, it updates the pixels that need updating or whatever. anyway i know i could watch a fullscreen dvd over the net with rdp and no lag, even ... |
| 16:42.59 | ajavid | ... diabl2 was fine, but vnc is too slow |
| 16:43.21 | ajavid | I give up on vmware (and virtualbox works, but display is broken starting from the bios screen of the vm) |
| 16:44.00 | jpinx | rdp ?= rdesktop ajavid ? |
| 16:44.08 | ajavid | jpinx, yes |
| 16:44.15 | ajavid | jpinx, more precicely, remote desktop protocol |
| 16:44.20 | ajavid | rdesktop is a client software |
| 16:44.24 | jpinx | I use rdp and it rox |
| 16:44.33 | ajavid | it does indeed |
| 16:44.47 | ajavid | though I'm not positive if there are any rdpd's |
| 16:44.51 | jpinx | I can administer a remote XP box really fast |
| 16:44.55 | ajavid | I think the only server software is by microsoft |
| 16:45.07 | ajavid | unless im wrong, I'd love to get my hands on an rdp server |
| 16:45.18 | jpinx | dunno ajavid - I use rdesktop in Lenny and XP allows me to connect |
| 16:45.25 | ajavid | yes, as a client |
| 16:45.39 | ajavid | but i wodner if its possible to host rdp on a linux box (no windows) |
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| 16:45.57 | jpinx | XP needed some caonfiguration, but all was well - even I managed to get it right ;) |
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| 16:46.17 | newsense | xrdp ? |
| 16:46.25 | jpinx | dunno if you could host rdp in wine? |
| 16:46.49 | newsense | xrdp is a rdp server |
| 16:47.15 | ajavid | sweet |
| 16:47.18 | ajavid | hell yeah |
| 16:47.20 | jpinx | not quite sure why you'd want that ajavid |
| 16:47.26 | g00se | Is rdp server in XP Home? |
| 16:47.45 | newsense | i think its in all xp versions |
| 16:47.49 | jpinx | ajavid: is NX not good for you? |
| 16:48.17 | g00se | newsense: I thought it was likely only XP Pro, but that's good if so |
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| 16:48.27 | ajavid | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol |
| 16:48.31 | ajavid | jpinx, nope |
| 16:48.31 | yacyac | hey g00se |
| 16:48.40 | ajavid | jpinx, then you have to forwaord audio traffic, tunnel through ssh |
| 16:48.41 | g00se | Hey! |
| 16:48.48 | ajavid | its a whole hoopla of its own |
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| 16:49.17 | ajavid | and even with nx caching its not as fast as rdp |
| 16:49.20 | g00se | I've just installed RealVNC on an XP Home box, but if it's got rdp then that's much better |
| 16:49.32 | ajavid | in fact, doesn't nx do cachign for the rdp protocol as well as compression |
| 16:49.39 | ajavid | im sure it does |
| 16:49.48 | jpinx | judd: versions xrdp |
| 16:49.49 | judd | jpinx: xrdp -- lenny: 0.4.0~dfsg-9 sid: 0.4.0~dfsg-9 squeeze: 0.4.0~dfsg-9 |
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| 16:50.12 | yacyac | g00se u installed debian net install |
| 16:50.22 | yacyac | now getting gui up and running |
| 16:50.22 | ajavid | !xrdp |
| 16:50.23 | dpkg | it has been said that xrdp is an open-source remote desktop protcol (RDP) server for Unix-like operating systems - http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/ Packaged for Debian in Lenny. |
| 16:50.29 | jpinx | ajavid: there ya go - it's in lenny;) |
| 16:50.34 | yacyac | in an hr i should be up and running with kde |
| 16:50.45 | g00se | "To run Remote Desktop Terminal Services (server component) in Windows XP Home Edition, the operating system must first made to recognize itself as Windows XP Professional Edition." |
| 16:50.52 | ajavid | http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/documents/bitmapcache/index.html |
| 16:50.54 | g00se | http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/06/14/install-and-enable-remote-desktop-in-windows-xp-home-edition/ |
| 16:51.17 | g00se | yacyac: Yes |
| 16:51.24 | deebee | !depends libdb3-util lenny |
| 16:51.25 | newsense | interesting, guess i was half right |
| 16:51.27 | ajavid | yes, the caching is nice |
| 16:51.44 | g00se | yacyac: I always do netinstall if poss, then you can be sure of up-to-date packages |
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| 16:52.22 | yacyac | yeah |
| 16:52.26 | g00se | newsense: that hack sounds a bit dodgy |
| 16:52.29 | yacyac | i am getting pretty good speed |
| 16:52.31 | yacyac | 50k |
| 16:52.59 | yacyac | only one problem.. i need to get wifi up and running after this |
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| 16:53.59 | abrotman | yacyac: what is your wifi device ? |
| 16:54.11 | g00se | I've just installed wicd from backports. Seems OK so far |
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| 16:54.59 | anigma | why does debian automatically create a group named exactly the same as the user? what could I do to prevent this? |
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| 16:55.40 | newsense | g00se: the hack doesn't look too bad to me, ya gonna try it ? |
| 16:55.40 | yacyac | abrotman i have a dell wireless 1396 card |
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| 16:55.56 | yacyac | which comes inbuilt with my dell inspiron 1525 laptop |
| 16:55.59 | abrotman | yacyac: try installing and reading the instructions for the b43-fwcutter |
| 16:56.15 | ajavid | yup, you can pipe rdp traffic through nx tunnel |
| 16:56.24 | ajavid | cache and compress even more, even faster |
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| 16:57.09 | lolufail | hi |
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| 16:57.26 | lolufail | how do I add a prog to the "world" file, as a former gentoo user would call it :D? |
| 16:57.46 | ajavid | jpinx, did you read that... even > >> >>>FASTER RDP |
| 16:57.49 | lolufail | aptitude purge phpmyadmin wants to remove php5-mysql as well, which I dont want |
| 16:58.03 | n0de | does anyone know who is the best person/place to talk to regarding /etc/init.d/ scripts? thx |
| 16:58.10 | ajavid | n0de, here |
| 16:58.19 | ajavid | !tell n0de -about ask |
| 16:58.21 | g00se | newsense: Wouldn't dare. Windows Update might get screwed |
| 16:58.40 | newsense | g00se: :) |
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| 16:59.38 | g00se | newsense: I suppose you could backup registry then restore if probs. Even so, i don't like it |
| 16:59.54 | yacyac | what is b43-fwcutter ? |
| 17:00.14 | nkuttler | n0de: /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:00.17 | newsense | yacyac: it downloads and extracts firmware for broadcom chips |
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| 17:00.29 | reto` | hmm... I've tried installing debian squeeze from a usb and it looks like the installer has put GRUB onto the usb instead of the hdd... grub also thinks root is on the usb whereas it is on the hdd... i figured out that root is on sda3 so I can hack that in and debian boots up... but I got another problem.... as soon the process gets to "saving vesa state" I get a white background and can't see any text anymore (it's still in text mode though), any ideas? |
| 17:00.48 | n0de | sorry! ok: normally, an init.d script runs the start-stop-daemon for one exec. im trying to add another to the start section. it starts the 2 processes up, but the 2nd one is unavaliable to access. I have run the commands individually, and all works perfect, just when they are run both in the init.d, the 2nd runs but fails.. thx |
| 17:01.07 | ajavid | kernel summit in tokyo japan octover 2009 |
| 17:01.11 | ajavid | oh i wanna go so bad |
| 17:01.12 | yacyac | oh |
| 17:01.28 | yacyac | cool.. i am gonna try and get that once my kde is up |
| 17:01.33 | ajavid | yacyac, which kde? |
| 17:01.44 | yacyac | i dont know |
| 17:01.46 | abrotman | ajavid: why not just go to the one in Ottawa ? |
| 17:01.46 | yacyac | i just did |
| 17:01.56 | ajavid | abrotman, cuz its Japan dude |
| 17:01.58 | yacyac | aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 17:01.59 | ajavid | fuck ottawa |
| 17:02.05 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:02.06 | yacyac | and it started downlading |
| 17:02.10 | n0de | nkuttler: thx |
| 17:02.12 | azeem | ajavid: please keep it on topic |
| 17:02.22 | ajavid | ofcourse |
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| 17:02.33 | ajavid | abrotman, also keep it on topic please. |
| 17:02.59 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
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| 17:03.26 | ajavid | ditto. |
| 17:03.27 | abrotman | doesn't think he was referring to the mention of the conference |
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| 17:04.44 | ajavid | yacyac, stable? |
| 17:04.54 | yacyac | ajavid |
| 17:04.55 | ajavid | yacyac, kde 3.5.10 then? freakin sweet. |
| 17:04.55 | fxiny | japan ? canada ? spain is the place : debconf ! |
| 17:04.57 | yacyac | yes i am on stable |
| 17:05.00 | yacyac | 5.0.2 |
| 17:05.13 | ajavid | yacyac, I figured otu a way to run kde4 AND kde3 at the same time, on the same debian stable machine cuz im just like that |
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| 17:05.16 | ajavid | thats just how i roll |
| 17:05.24 | ajavid | http://picpaste.com/kde.png |
| 17:05.27 | yacyac | kool |
| 17:05.38 | yacyac | i heard kde4 is not good.. crashes alot |
| 17:05.51 | ajavid | yeh, but I got sick of dualbooting just to see how kde4 is |
| 17:05.54 | dutchfish | hi, why is there no 2.6.30-x in squeeze while it does exist in back-ports? |
| 17:06.02 | ajavid | and I also got sick of kubuntu, so I figured, lets try debian sid kde4 on stable |
| 17:06.09 | ajavid | and its not bad it works mos of the time |
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| 17:06.13 | yacyac | hey dutchfish |
| 17:06.21 | dutchfish | ajavid, why not run it under kvm? |
| 17:06.22 | ajavid | dutchfish, long time no see, how are you |
| 17:06.29 | ajavid | kvm is a very slow |
| 17:06.34 | abrotman | dutchfish: they backported it from sid .. they did it for .29 also |
| 17:06.36 | yacyac | ajavid i love debian |
| 17:06.48 | ajavid | yacyac, yeh I want it to have my children? |
| 17:06.50 | ajavid | you know. |
| 17:06.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, ah ok, thanks |
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| 17:07.03 | yacyac | huh ? |
| 17:07.07 | ajavid | bad joke. |
| 17:07.13 | yacyac | lol |
| 17:07.57 | yacyac | i guess by default lenny install kde3.5 |
| 17:08.07 | ajavid | kde3.5 is teh best |
| 17:08.17 | ajavid | yacyac, /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 17:08.22 | yacyac | yeah i guess |
| 17:08.32 | ajavid | yacyac, a few tips on how to install depending on what you want |
| 17:08.44 | yacyac | sure |
| 17:08.58 | yacyac | please tell me |
| 17:08.59 | ajavid | I start off with minimal and add individual apps as I need them |
| 17:09.09 | ajavid | kde-core |
| 17:09.09 | yacyac | ok |
| 17:09.17 | yacyac | oh |
| 17:09.30 | ajavid | yes, do what i said /msg dpkg install kde |
| 17:09.31 | deebee | anyone? any control pannel or web admin you might sugest me? i just check webmin, which i found pretty interesting, but i would like to know if there are any other better alternatives |
| 17:09.42 | ajavid | deebee, none. |
| 17:09.44 | ajavid | !webmin |
| 17:09.44 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 17:09.51 | yacyac | should i stop and do that command ? |
| 17:09.56 | ajavid | yacyac, no |
| 17:10.02 | ajavid | yacyac, what are you doing right now? |
| 17:10.12 | pipeline | deebee: Control panels universally suck. |
| 17:10.14 | ajavid | yacyac, are you installed debian, and now you are installing xorg kde and kdm? |
| 17:10.16 | jpinx | deebee: is it for you or for your clients? |
| 17:10.19 | pipeline | deebee: the least-sucky options are commercial products. |
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| 17:10.22 | yacyac | i am 80% complete with kde kdm xorg |
| 17:10.24 | pipeline | deebee: And they're very expensive. |
| 17:10.29 | ajavid | yacyac, its alright, let it go |
| 17:10.34 | Mikey^ | is there any way to reduce the size of all the icons on the gnome desktop ? |
| 17:10.38 | pipeline | deebee: if you just want a control panel to control your own system, you're probably better off buying shared hosting, which is very inexpensive. |
| 17:10.40 | ajavid | yacyac, you will just get almost everything kde has to offer in 3.5 |
| 17:10.42 | ajavid | full kde install, its ok |
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| 17:10.56 | yacyac | is there anything else i should keep in mind.. and need to do after this is one |
| 17:11.14 | yacyac | yeah i figured out.. the installation is like 1gb |
| 17:11.16 | yacyac | hehe |
| 17:11.24 | pipeline | deebee: if you are interested in selling hosting to others, and giving them control panels, you will probably regret trying to roll your own solution instead of buying cpanel/plesk. |
| 17:11.40 | deebee | i tried it becouse there is a module for it to control the vsftpd :p |
| 17:11.43 | ajavid | yacyac, kde problems specific to debian packages can go to #debian, all other kde support related questions can do go #debian-kde (first) and (#kde) second (as #kde probably stopped support of 3.5? I dunno) |
| 17:11.46 | jpinx | pipeline: he could install minimal X and a desktop and ssh -X into it ;) |
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| 17:12.03 | ajavid | no |
| 17:12.09 | yacyac | oh |
| 17:12.11 | yacyac | ok |
| 17:12.14 | ajavid | jpinx, don't suggest an X on a server |
| 17:12.19 | ajavid | jpinx, whats the matter with you |
| 17:12.28 | yacyac | you i did one mistake |
| 17:12.36 | yacyac | i should have just got xorg and xfce |
| 17:12.37 | jpinx | ajavid: it might not be a server |
| 17:12.38 | pipeline | deebee: That's a bad plan. Either buy shared hosting, so that someone else will provide the control panel and support, or learn to use vsftpd. Trying to roll your own control panel is a recipe for failure. |
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| 17:12.54 | pipeline | deebee: (particularly in that the control panels are very, very complicated pieces of software. vsftpd is very, very simple by comparison.) |
| 17:12.54 | yacyac | or make some lighter window manager.. to get started |
| 17:12.57 | yacyac | hehe |
| 17:13.02 | ajavid | jpinx, system specs? |
| 17:13.07 | ajavid | sorry not jpinx |
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| 17:13.18 | linduxed | what should the /boot line read in fstab? |
| 17:13.20 | ajavid | yacyac, what is your system hardware spec? cpu? ram? |
| 17:13.23 | linduxed | im adding it now |
| 17:13.28 | deebee | ok :) i got the point |
| 17:13.35 | deebee | thank you |
| 17:13.36 | yacyac | i got intel core 2 duo 2ghz |
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| 17:13.39 | yacyac | 2gb ram |
| 17:13.48 | ajavid | kde3 should sprint |
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| 17:13.56 | ajavid | you'll be fine |
| 17:14.02 | linduxed | so far ive written: /dev/sda1 /boot ext3 |
| 17:14.03 | jpinx | deebee: you have not said if it's a remote server or just another box in your house |
| 17:14.05 | yacyac | i hope so.. but i dont have a gfx card |
| 17:14.09 | ajavid | yacyac, sure you do |
| 17:14.10 | yacyac | so i do not get good resolution |
| 17:14.13 | ajavid | you wouldn't be here without one. |
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| 17:14.15 | linduxed | dont know what i should write more |
| 17:14.19 | deebee | it's a remote which i get with ssh |
| 17:14.33 | yacyac | max i get is 1280*800 i guess |
| 17:14.34 | careta | hello |
| 17:14.40 | linduxed | anyone? |
| 17:14.45 | ajavid | yacyac, that can be fixed, get the rest of the stuff finished first |
| 17:14.48 | yacyac | i just like big resolution |
| 17:14.51 | jpinx | deebee: then it's either commercial software of learn the commandline:) |
| 17:14.53 | yacyac | yeah |
| 17:14.59 | deebee | hehe :) |
| 17:15.00 | deebee | ok |
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| 17:15.08 | dbbolton | linduxed what was your original question |
| 17:15.11 | ajavid | I have to go for an hour or two i'll be back |
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| 17:15.19 | Yurki | Hi. Is there a step-by-step guide to setting up a mailserver for a domain that I own? |
| 17:15.21 | Yurki | Debian v5 |
| 17:15.35 | jpinx | Yurki: postfix is simple |
| 17:15.36 | linduxed | dbbolton: what should the /boot line read in fstab? |
| 17:15.36 | yacyac | alright .. i will be around.. i will catch you later |
| 17:15.48 | linduxed | dbbolton: so far ive written: /dev/sda1 /boot ext3 |
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| 17:16.28 | Yurki | jpinx: that is all required? |
| 17:16.30 | Yurki | 0o |
| 17:16.33 | g00se | <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 17:16.49 | g00se | are the further fields in fstab linduxed |
| 17:16.53 | slk | i installed system in sda.. afterwards when i attached my raid storage system swaps sda and sdb and it cant boot because system is in sdb.. I want to be able to boot with or without storage attached |
| 17:17.08 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 17:17.08 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 17:17.16 | linduxed | g00se: but what should i type there for /boot in specific? |
| 17:17.23 | g00se | linduxed: in your case, from <options> |
| 17:17.32 | dbbolton | linduxed it should be something like /dev/sda1 /boot ext3 defaults,noatime 1 2 |
| 17:17.41 | jpinx | Yurki: look at their webpage, it's pretty much install and use |
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| 17:18.05 | g00se | linduxed: I don't have a separate boot line, so can't really say |
| 17:18.15 | linduxed | g00se: dbbolton helped thx |
| 17:18.22 | linduxed | dbbolton: will try that |
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| 17:18.27 | g00se | linduxed: someone with a boot partition should say |
| 17:18.40 | Yurki | jpinx: do u use it? |
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| 17:18.48 | g00se | linduxed: err, like dbbolton ;-) |
| 17:18.57 | linduxed | abrotman: whats wrong with going without uuid? |
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| 17:19.31 | dbbolton | linduxed i've only used /boot partitions in gentoo, and never needed to add a UUID in fstab |
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| 17:20.03 | linduxed | dbbolton: neither have I... I've never seen UUID as that useful |
| 17:20.14 | linduxed | dbbolton: but thats prob a newbie talking |
| 17:20.32 | jpinx | Yurki: I have used it in the past - not currently |
| 17:21.31 | g00se | UUIDs are useful with media that are removed often |
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| 17:22.19 | linduxed | g00se: IOW not that useful for me |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | uhm .. yes |
| 17:23.06 | abrotman | if your system is changing device names on you, the UUID booting should help |
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| 17:25.34 | g00se | I seem to have accumulated (not explicitly installed afaicr) both linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 and linux-image-2.6.26-2-686. What's that about? |
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| 17:26.11 | fxiny | pretty normal . pyrge the old one |
| 17:26.15 | abrotman | different ABI versions |
| 17:26.33 | bkraptor | what's an ABI version? |
| 17:26.34 | g00se | abrotman: 'ABI'? |
| 17:26.55 | bkraptor | I keep seeing bumped ABI version in the update notes |
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| 17:29.11 | abrotman | !abi |
| 17:29.11 | dpkg | abi is probably application binary interface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 17:30.54 | bkraptor | so what does it mean that the ABI has changed? |
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| 17:31.49 | Heart`Of`Steel | Hello people. I'm in a big trouble with my laptop's LAN (eth0) interface. My network card is Realtek RTL8102E/8103E PCI-E NIC. Im on dead-end with its configuration :-(. I installed the last daily netinstall Debian, successfully configured the interface (IP addr, gateway, netmask, etc), however the card is not active and I cannot connect to Internet. |
| 17:32.38 | bkraptor | Heart`Of`Steel: have you tried "ifconfig eth0 up" ? |
| 17:32.47 | Heart`Of`Steel | I read Google and found 'ethtool -s eth0 wol g', but after executing this, the card is still not active. Furthermore, ethtool eth0 says that Link detected: no |
| 17:33.15 | Heart`Of`Steel | Can someone help me on this? I'll ve very happy is someone has a solution on that matter. |
| 17:33.20 | bkraptor | Heart`Of`Steel: check the cable? |
| 17:33.53 | Heart`Of`Steel | bkraptor capple is in. I'm writing from the same laptop now (Vista) |
| 17:34.08 | Heart`Of`Steel | cable* sorry |
| 17:34.36 | g00se | Looks like i *could* purge linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 then ..? |
| 17:34.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:34.57 | bkraptor | Heart`Of`Steel: have you tried ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 17:34.59 | g00se | abrotman: Thanks |
| 17:35.16 | Heart`Of`Steel | bkraptor yes. Same result |
| 17:35.37 | Heart`Of`Steel | the card is just not activated somehow :-( |
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| 17:36.18 | bkraptor | Heart`Of`Steel: pastebin what is printed by ethtool eth0 |
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| 17:36.51 | Heart`Of`Steel | okey. I'll boot the Debian now and will back soon with the result |
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| 17:37.50 | mikexcr | kvm is faster from qwemu |
| 17:37.52 | mikexcr | qemu |
| 17:38.17 | mikexcr | than qemu * |
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| 17:40.16 | Gryfelhase | How can I check if Xorg has 3d-accelaeration activated ? |
| 17:40.40 | Gryfelhase | on my gfx-card ? |
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| 17:41.10 | mikexcr | fglrxinfo |
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| 17:41.29 | bkraptor | glxinfo | grep render |
| 17:41.36 | bkraptor | if it says software, then no |
| 17:41.47 | Gryfelhase | ok, thx |
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| 17:42.47 | cy-borg | I'm having trouble compiling something (espeak speech server for emacspeak, if it matters) and it errors: /build/buildd-eglibc_2.9-16-i386-5LUhoo/eglibc-2.9/csu/../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' |
| 17:42.47 | cy-borg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.23 | realentity | hello, I'd like some advice regarding installing debian on hd, I'M A LINUX NEWBIE, it may take some time |
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| 17:44.35 | abrotman | smokes: just ask your questions |
| 17:44.42 | smokes | what are you compiling from and to, cyborg? |
| 17:45.13 | cy-borg | I don't know what you mean... a .cpp to a .so ? |
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| 17:45.34 | bbelt16ag | how does anyboyd know of a free ssh login with like 500mb of space? |
| 17:45.51 | ajavid | freeshell.org ? |
| 17:46.09 | ajavid | you can buy a shell account for like 2$/mo |
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| 17:47.07 | ajavid | [ SDF Public Access UNIX System .. Est. 1987 ] |
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| 17:47.21 | bbelt16ag | how much space /badnwidth |
| 17:47.21 | smokes | concerning mkvlinuz and kickseed, I've got .deb and .udeb not sure what files I should give my bootloader (Grub).... |
| 17:47.38 | ajavid | Members have UNIX shell access to games, email, usenet, chat, bboard, |
| 17:47.39 | ajavid | webspace, gopherspace, programming utilities, archivers, browsers, and |
| 17:47.43 | ajavid | doh, damn paste |
| 17:47.51 | ajavid | I dunno about space, just go look around |
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| 17:48.12 | abrotman | smokes: how are you installing debian ? |
| 17:48.19 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
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| 17:48.38 | smokes | hard drive install, from a net-boot, i think it's called |
| 17:49.50 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, freeshell includes 50MB |
| 17:49.51 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:50.04 | smokes | I'm kind of worried this is going to be similar to installing from source code... |
| 17:50.05 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, http://www.red-pill.eu/freeunix.shtml The biggest Free Shell list on the net :-) |
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| 17:50.17 | bkraptor | smokes: not even close |
| 17:50.39 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, - 80MB (free), 600MB and 800MB disk quotas (looks like you can request higher disk quotas) |
| 17:50.48 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, not sure if that are paid or still free but given based on need |
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| 17:50.52 | bkraptor | smokes: you'll click a few "next" prompts and after reboot you'll have a fully functional system |
| 17:51.29 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, hehe, freeshell.de runs on debian etch |
| 17:51.44 | smokes | so i can un tar them without a lot of moving files etc...basically i can start the files where i want them to end up? |
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| 17:51.54 | yacyac | ajavid kde up and running |
| 17:52.11 | farhad_hf | hi |
| 17:52.16 | linduxed | i had a lengthy session with this channel regarding a failed /boot on a netinstall. the transcript with all neccessary info lies here: |
| 17:52.16 | linduxed | http://pastebin.com/f2d86f248 |
| 17:52.16 | linduxed | basically, ive come to the end (this time with a 64-bit liveusb) and after the chroot part it turns out that there is no update-initramfs command so im stuck |
| 17:52.23 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, look at http://www.phoenix-network.org/ Server: Debian (Disk Quota: 500MB) |
| 17:52.36 | nvz | I setup lenny on a software raid5 with three 500GB disks and there seems to be no way to boot that setup, even with grub-pc.. any suggestions? |
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| 17:53.17 | bkraptor | smokes: untar what? |
| 17:53.25 | smokes | i'll wait, NVZ's problem is hard core... |
| 17:53.34 | nvz | it gives error about core image is too big for embedding if I do grub-setup -v /dev/sda |
| 17:53.35 | yacyac | ajavid there is nothing as b43-fwvutter |
| 17:53.42 | yacyac | b43-fwcutter |
| 17:53.44 | ajavid | yacyac, sorry bro i gotta go again |
| 17:53.48 | ajavid | i just peeked in |
| 17:53.51 | yacyac | alright |
| 17:53.53 | yacyac | not a problem |
| 17:54.03 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 17:54.15 | linduxed | anyone whos got an idea on the issue? |
| 17:54.16 | yacyac | what is firefox called in debian |
| 17:54.22 | nvz | I'm thinking it NEEDS a small boot partition but I don't know how I can do that and still have room for the RAID |
| 17:54.29 | linduxed | yacyac: iceweasel? |
| 17:54.38 | yacyac | kool |
| 17:54.39 | yacyac | thanks |
| 17:54.52 | ajavid | !b43 |
| 17:54.52 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:55.55 | Heart`Of`Steel | bartvk http://pastebin.ca/1484002 |
| 17:56.01 | Heart`Of`Steel | this is the ethtool output |
| 17:56.02 | smokes | bkraptor:the installation files, will i have to do the "directory shuffle" once i untar them (mkvlinuz.deb, kick seed.udeb), looks like I'll have to treat it like source code, as my "dpkg-i" is broken by apt-get problems... |
| 17:56.16 | nvz | I'm not even sure how big of a boot partition I would need, and as far as I know, I'd need to make all the PVs on all 3 disks that much smaller.. |
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| 17:56.46 | Heart`Of`Steel | ah sorry... bkraptor i think I mean you :) |
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| 17:57.12 | yziquel | hello. using quilt, is there a way to make a patch that removes a directory? |
| 17:57.14 | nvz | all I know is there doesn't seem to be a bootloader in debian that can boot this RAID with all 3 disks used for PVs |
| 17:57.30 | bkraptor | and when you reboot into vista it all work without plugging in a cable? |
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| 17:57.51 | bbelt16ag | ajavid: they are down can't get account |
| 17:57.52 | Heart`Of`Steel | bkraptor correct |
| 17:58.20 | nvz | !dbugs 504752 |
| 17:58.24 | dpkg | DONE:#504752:I[grub2] grub2: fails to detect free space for embedding core on GPT labeled disks (); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:51:01 UTC [] |
| 17:58.34 | nvz | I'm essentially hitting this old bug and don't know what to do about it |
| 17:59.09 | lordnazgul | somebody tell me if i am off base here. I have a kernel that has a particular component built in as opposed to a module. if i need to pass a parameter to it, like i would with /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf, i just add it to the grub line right? |
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| 18:00.03 | nvz | lordnazgul: sounds about right |
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| 18:00.37 | lordnazgul | ok nvz thanks, i just wanted to be sure before i started beating my head against a wall as to why it wasn't working. ;) |
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| 18:00.52 | Buck | hai |
| 18:01.00 | Buck | where can I find my debian server's public ssh key? |
| 18:01.21 | ajavid | ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ? |
| 18:01.33 | ajavid | if you generated it via ssh-keyten |
| 18:01.34 | ajavid | gen |
| 18:01.58 | nvz | lordnazgul: look at the kernel docs, it explains all that stuff |
| 18:02.11 | Buck | thanks ajavid |
| 18:02.29 | bkraptor | Heart`Of`Steel: still thinking... |
| 18:02.33 | nvz | idk, I guess I will have to experiment, and reinstall |
| 18:02.37 | bkraptor | Heart`Of`Steel: doesn't make sense |
| 18:02.40 | ajavid | Buck, http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-ssh-with-public-key-authentication-debian-etch |
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| 18:02.44 | ajavid | Buck, works for lenny too. |
| 18:02.58 | bkraptor | maybe you should try #networking, they might be able to help you more |
| 18:03.12 | JyZyXEL | what the heck is console-kit-daemon |
| 18:03.14 | nvz | I know I'm not the only one who installs to large RAID/LVM but nobody wants to give me the lowdown on how to setup a bootloader I guess.. :-P |
| 18:03.20 | JyZyXEL | !console-kit-daemon |
| 18:03.25 | ajavid | afk |
| 18:03.29 | JyZyXEL | i have like 20 of those running |
| 18:03.31 | nvz | wanders off |
| 18:03.42 | Buck | thanks ajavid, it's already set up and working, I just needed to find the key :) |
| 18:03.43 | bkraptor | Heart`Of`Steel: what's different for you is that you have supported ports: MII (have no clue what that is) while I have TP (I guess twisted pair?) |
| 18:05.31 | Heart`Of`Steel | I've absolutely no idea. This is the first time when I met such issue with Debian and (with other distros too). Only Ubuntu run it somehow, and if I've no other option, I'll install it again (hate Ubuntu) and I'll look in its network scripts. Guess that the grail is there :) |
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| 18:11.11 | smokes | I'm working from a broken DSL, so, the installation files(net-boot to hd), will i have to do the "directory shuffle" once i untar them (mkvlinuz.deb, kick seed.udeb), looks like I'll have to treat it like source code, as my "dpkg-i" is broken by apt-get problems...what are the main things I need to get into my "/boot/" directory from these files? |
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| 18:20.10 | cy-borg | smokes: don't you think a net install would work better with good net? |
| 18:20.31 | nkuttler | cy-borg: no, it would be faster |
| 18:21.52 | craigevil | JyZyXEL: ConsoleKit is a system daemon for tracking what users are logged into the system and how they interact with the computer , Priority: optional |
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| 18:27.41 | rahsputin | Hi! after a while when i am not active on my machine the screen goes blank, is there a basic command to oppress this behaviour? |
| 18:28.05 | nsx | in X or console? |
| 18:28.15 | nsx | in X, it's xset -dpms |
| 18:28.17 | rahsputin | on console nsx |
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| 18:28.36 | nsx | I don't remember the console command |
| 18:28.40 | nsx | there is one though |
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| 18:28.48 | cahoot | man setterm |
| 18:28.56 | rahsputin | thanx ;) |
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| 18:29.34 | misor | hi guys, where is python 2.6.x? |
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| 18:31.27 | nsx | misor, as I understand, python 2.6.x won't run all older python scripts |
| 18:31.48 | misor | why that? wasn't that only with python 3.x? |
| 18:31.48 | xybre | What is a good detailed website on apt-build? Google returns mostly blog posts. |
| 18:31.51 | nsx | so I think it will take a little while to fully integrate it into debian |
| 18:32.06 | nsx | python 2.6.x uses version 3.0 of the language or something, does it not? |
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| 18:32.49 | nsx | oh I guess not |
| 18:33.18 | \amethyst | there are some incompatibilties |
| 18:33.26 | \amethyst | such as 'with' being a keyword by default in 2.6 |
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| 18:35.56 | mischief- | anyone know why i would be getting messages like 'bash: fork: resource temporarily unavailable'? i'm not out of ram.. |
| 18:36.44 | misor | aha and so there's no way to install it on a debian squeeze system? I'd like to use django with the latest python 2.6.x version |
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| 18:37.53 | Striki | Hi all. I had a debian 64bit system one week ago and couldn't get the memory above 3.2GB (there are 4GB in the computer). I checked a lot of output about the system and asked around here as well and we found out that the memory control is only 32bit (it's a cheap hardware). I figured I should just install 32bit version of debian and use bigmem. I've done it and still I can't get it above those 3.2GB. Windows server 2008 32 and 64bit can see the whole 4GB mem |
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| 18:39.14 | Gryfelhase | 32 bit pointers are good enough for 4 GB..... if you ask me... |
| 18:39.16 | martianlobster | is there someway I can mount an iso file as a directory? |
| 18:39.27 | OpenTokix | Striki: try the bigmem-kernel? |
| 18:39.30 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 18:39.30 | dpkg | somebody said iso mount was mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 18:39.36 | Striki | OpenTokix: yeah i'm currently using it |
| 18:39.43 | martianlobster | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:39.51 | xybre | Is anyone familiar with apt-build? |
| 18:39.56 | rahsputin | that was quick ;) |
| 18:40.12 | \amethyst | Striki: you can use the 32 bit version of Debian with the -amd64 kernel... though I would have expected -bigmem to work |
| 18:40.23 | \amethyst | Striki: oh |
| 18:40.27 | \amethyst | Striki: cheap hardware |
| 18:40.32 | Striki | hmmm ok. but i had the amd64 kernel a week ago on a 64 bit system ;l |
| 18:40.50 | Striki | and i couldn't get the ram above 3.2GB (like the normal 32bit kernel version has) |
| 18:40.57 | Striki | the limit that is |
| 18:40.57 | Striki | :) |
| 18:41.10 | tarzeau | Striki: strange, i have 64bit linux kernels, and i can access all 128 gb memory |
| 18:41.19 | Striki | yeah, it's very strange |
| 18:41.21 | tarzeau | Striki: must be some problem on your side? per process? what software? |
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| 18:41.33 | Striki | [ 0.004000] Memory: 3304072k/3342016k available (1834k kernel code, 36636k reserved, 787k data, 256k init, 2424512k highmem) |
| 18:41.44 | tarzeau | Striki: what says free -m ? |
| 18:41.50 | tarzeau | Striki: some bios settings? |
| 18:41.52 | Striki | tarzeau: it's a fresh system, just installed it 10 min ago |
| 18:41.57 | Striki | the bios detects the whole 4GB |
| 18:42.04 | tarzeau | Striki: memory reserved for the graphics card? |
| 18:42.07 | Striki | Mem: 3233 48 3184 0 3 15 |
| 18:42.15 | Striki | i've though of it but windows does detect 4GB ram |
| 18:42.25 | Striki | maybe it's the result combined with the graphic card resources |
| 18:42.31 | tarzeau | Striki: probably |
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| 18:42.38 | BingO | HI room |
| 18:42.45 | Striki | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3450 |
| 18:42.49 | tarzeau | !room |
| 18:42.49 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:42.57 | tarzeau | Striki: check your bios settings |
| 18:43.01 | BingO | :=) |
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| 18:43.28 | tarzeau | BingO: where in .se are you? |
| 18:43.28 | Striki | tarzeau: it has 4GB and grub and dmdecode (or what the name was) detect 4GB |
| 18:43.33 | BingO | i want to install webmin+ virtual min at debian 4.0 .. kindly tell me best and reliable way to instal lit.. by apt-get or by scrit etc ? |
| 18:43.45 | tarzeau | BingO: oh oh... |
| 18:43.48 | Striki | i guess it's the cheap hardware :( |
| 18:43.50 | tarzeau | !webmiin |
| 18:43.52 | tarzeau | !webmin |
| 18:43.52 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 18:43.59 | BingO | tarzeau:t |
| 18:44.04 | BingO | tarzeu: why ? |
| 18:44.08 | Striki | Usable RAM: Base Address: 0x0 X 4GB + 0x0, |
| 18:44.09 | Striki | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.13 | tarzeau | Striki: no, just resources stuff, if you need more memory, can't you just stuff more in? it's cheap |
| 18:44.15 | Striki | that is what grub says with "displaymem" |
| 18:44.23 | BingO | haha |
| 18:44.33 | Striki | tarzeau: doubt the controller will be able to show it to the system |
| 18:44.35 | tarzeau | BingO: simply because it's badly written and just doesn't work properly? |
| 18:44.42 | linuxguy2009 | Hello I was wondering if the new images of 5.0.2 have an updated kernel because when I tried 5.0.1 my sound or internet didnt work in it.Is there a new kernel in 5.0.2 that may support more hardware? |
| 18:44.48 | tarzeau | Striki: can you remove the graphics card and boot? or do you need local graphics? |
| 18:44.54 | BingO | tarzeau: ok now i have installed webmin , now trying to install virtual min |
| 18:45.02 | Striki | tarzeau: hmm, gonna test it :) |
| 18:45.08 | tarzeau | linuxguy2009: is youre hardware so new? like bought in the last 3 monhts? |
| 18:45.10 | yacko | i am getting an error... no acceptable c compiler found in the path.. what shoudl i do to fix it |
| 18:45.16 | Striki | thanks a lot guys, gonna check the graphic card |
| 18:45.18 | Striki | :) |
| 18:45.19 | Gryfelhase | Striki, : Did you lower mem for gfx-card ? |
| 18:45.21 | linuxguy2009 | well yeah about 2-3 months |
| 18:45.25 | Gryfelhase | in bios ? |
| 18:45.28 | tarzeau | linuxguy2009: do you know of kmuto? |
| 18:45.30 | tarzeau | !kmuto |
| 18:45.30 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:45.33 | Striki | Gryfelhase: not sure, it's radeon card, need to check it out |
| 18:45.33 | Gryfelhase | to 64 or 128 MM ? |
| 18:45.37 | Striki | hmm |
| 18:45.39 | linuxguy2009 | no i dont |
| 18:45.39 | BingO | yacko: did you install gcc with apt-get or from source code ? |
| 18:45.40 | \amethyst | if your motherboard is not capable of PAE, then there's much you can do short of limiting the PCI window |
| 18:45.40 | Striki | ahh |
| 18:45.46 | Striki | Gryfelhase: gonna see if i can do that |
| 18:45.57 | Gryfelhase | Check it in bios |
| 18:46.02 | Gryfelhase | may help (not sure) |
| 18:46.03 | CargolSS | can someone tell why my sound doesn't work after i reboot lenny 5.0.2 - Gnome+Xfce? |
| 18:46.26 | tarzeau | CargolSS: sound in which software, using alsa? |
| 18:46.42 | linuxguy2009 | Thanks |
| 18:47.02 | CargolSS | tarzeau: yep :) |
| 18:47.11 | CargolSS | alsaconf |
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| 18:48.14 | \amethyst | read -t 1 firstline || { echo "no input" >&2; exit 1; }; process "$firstline"; while read line; do process "$line"; done |
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| 18:48.20 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:48.36 | rahsputin | xybre: maybe here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27566 or http://polishlinux.org/linux/debian/apt-build-optimize-debian/ |
| 18:48.57 | jelly-home | \amethyst: exit 1 from where? |
| 18:49.09 | \amethyst | jelly-home: sorry, wrong channel... from a script |
| 18:49.49 | yacko | BingO i dont know |
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| 18:52.27 | dejai | My mac is running my c program at a horrible 0.619s while my debian install is running it at 0.000s |
| 18:52.44 | xybre | rahsputin: yeah I googled before I asked, those pages aren't as in depth as I'd like |
| 18:52.45 | tarzeau | dejai: what does your c program do? and what mac is that? |
| 18:52.51 | dejai | Hmm I am guessing the mac is really flogging itself. |
| 18:52.52 | tarzeau | dejai: linux on the same hardware? |
| 18:53.03 | mischief- | dejai: somebody set you up the bomb |
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| 18:53.03 | dejai | No the Linux machine is several years older |
| 18:53.07 | tarzeau | dejai: same compiler? |
| 18:53.08 | urbanmonk | hrm ... i have my home dir mounted through nfs but I am unable to create any new directories off the root of the mount except on the server where the nfs share physically exists ... |
| 18:53.17 | dejai | Hmm no actually. |
| 18:53.19 | tarzeau | dejai: and your mac is also intel based or still powerpc? |
| 18:53.22 | rahsputin | xybre: i know but i also havent found more yet |
| 18:53.27 | dejai | tarzeau, New macbook |
| 18:53.29 | dejai | Intel. |
| 18:53.31 | tarzeau | dejai: you know my mac can run ITUNES, and my linux can't |
| 18:53.51 | tarzeau | dejai: i wonder what your c programs do. and why you don't use objective-c on your mac... |
| 18:54.01 | dejai | Are you serious? |
| 18:54.02 | Striki | tarzeau, Gryfelhase: i just changed bios settings and now i get 4GB:) |
| 18:54.06 | tarzeau | dejai: yes |
| 18:54.13 | dejai | Why would I bother with obj-c |
| 18:54.21 | Striki | i hadn't looked over the bios because the system told me the bios detected 4GB |
| 18:54.40 | tarzeau | dejai: i have no idea, but i do, probably because i have other needs. no idea what software you write, and what it's supposed to do |
| 18:54.53 | tarzeau | dejai: basically, the advantages mentioned at http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 18:54.56 | dejai | tarzeau, Heard of informatics? |
| 18:55.07 | tarzeau | CargolSS: please don't msg me, if it's not personal stuff |
| 18:55.19 | tarzeau | dejai: can you be more specific? |
| 18:55.28 | tarzeau | Striki: *applause* |
| 18:55.53 | Striki | tarzeau: hehe thanks :P |
| 18:56.05 | dejai | tarzeau, Pretty much coding competitions. |
| 18:56.12 | dejai | Write a program that does X in under X time. |
| 18:56.22 | dejai | Oh and write it in under 5 minutes. |
| 18:56.27 | mischief- | dejai: so use machine code |
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| 18:56.35 | tarzeau | dejai: i see, and what were your compiler options? |
| 18:56.43 | jelly-home | mischief-: or perl |
| 18:56.51 | tarzeau | dejai: sounds fun. is it irc/internet joinable or only from the local place? |
| 18:57.07 | dejai | They should have some in your area. |
| 18:57.17 | tarzeau | dejai: i know these things about #pixel #coders diskmags and the mod scene |
| 18:57.18 | dejai | But I know topcoder is some kinda international version of it. |
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| 18:57.44 | tarzeau | dejai: you can get pretty different runtimes with different c compilers (tcc, gcc, open64.net, icc... and it's options) |
| 18:57.59 | dejai | Ya same params |
| 18:58.08 | twoface_ | i have been trying to install package 'nvidia-glx' on unstable in a couple of days - but it depends on nvidia-kernel-185.18.14, which is still nowhere to be seen. anybody know of the status on this? |
| 18:58.09 | tarzeau | dejai: i'm sure the os, the gnu tools (time, shell) and depending on what the software does matters a lot on the run-time |
| 18:58.27 | dejai | All the code at the end of the day is run on a debian machine. |
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| 18:58.42 | dejai | All the comps at my uni run debian as well :) |
| 18:59.00 | tarzeau | dejai: same here, department of physics, eth zurich |
| 18:59.36 | dejai | Cool. |
| 19:00.02 | dejai | I might be forced to migrate to C++ for the challenges. |
| 19:00.27 | dejai | C is great for its purpose but when you have no time it can be a pain. |
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| 19:03.14 | dejai | tarzeau, You into coding it seems? |
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| 19:04.06 | rahsputin | xybre: what is you primary goal using apt-build ? |
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| 19:04.59 | xybre | rahsputin: I was hoping newer versions would be available in the repos, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Mainly its that some of the packages in the repos are bloody ancient. |
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| 19:05.42 | rahsputin | true |
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| 19:08.38 | xybre | Mercurial is at version 1.3 and the latest Debian/Ubuntu Intrepid have is 1.0.1 :/ |
| 19:09.03 | tarzeau | dejai: haven't done much lately, but a bit yes. i also took part in some compos where you had to create the smallest possible .com program in dos doing this and that |
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| 19:09.26 | tarzeau | dejai: just having 5 minutes sounds like fun. lotsa boozing there? chicks? |
| 19:09.49 | tarzeau | dejai: check out grafx2 and opencubicplayer, if you're into #demoscene |
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| 19:10.43 | tarzeau | dejai: or goattracker, schism, milkytracker |
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| 19:12.12 | Zharf | skale is superior, though the age of trackers is over for me :< |
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| 19:12.40 | tarzeau | Zharf: your favourit songs? i still so love chipsongs |
| 19:12.57 | Zharf | chiptunes always made my head hurt |
| 19:13.16 | Zharf | awesome (artist) and elwood are probably still my favourites from tracker scenes |
| 19:13.41 | tarzeau | Zharf: you've ever been to demoparties? i was at some mekka symposium with a guy next to me running the same chipsong day and night with his goddamn subwoofer at full volume 3 days and nights.... :) |
| 19:14.07 | Zharf | tarzeau, I'm an organizer of assembly demoparty |
| 19:14.24 | tarzeau | fortunately there was a tent at some other place, and big enough to hang out at nicer places (PENNY MARKT! so lovely) |
| 19:14.35 | tarzeau | Zharf: ah very cool, those were the good times |
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| 19:15.20 | ajavid | tarzeau, are there any known working powder packages |
| 19:15.30 | tarzeau | ajavid: yes the ones in sid? |
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| 19:15.44 | tarzeau | ajavid: i've ascended nethack several times, but powder never. you? |
| 19:15.55 | ajavid | tarzeau, only a few levels so far |
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| 19:16.08 | ajavid | tarzeau, deb segfaults, upstream source doesn't |
| 19:16.11 | Zharf | tarzeau, I'm a video editor at assembly, last year my co-worker played 'still alive' from portal for about 2-3 days straight |
| 19:16.25 | ajavid | tarzeau, let me check the bugs on it first in sid see if it works |
| 19:17.02 | tarzeau | ajavid: dpkg -l powder? |
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| 19:17.37 | tarzeau | dejai, Zharf: and what about gaming? nethack? sauerbraten? bub-n-bros.sf.net ? jump n bump? |
| 19:17.51 | ajavid | I'm on stable, I backported a version a while back but that bug has since disappeared |
| 19:18.01 | ajavid | I guess I could try to update the powder backport |
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| 19:18.20 | ajavid | tarzeau, open arena dammit! |
| 19:18.33 | tarzeau | ajavid: there was a bug upstream with segfault when you start it. beware savegames are not compatible between versions |
| 19:18.38 | Zharf | tarzeau, I mainly used to play bat mud a while, some nethack but I never really got into it or anything else "considered cool" :) |
| 19:18.42 | ajavid | tarzeau, oh |
| 19:18.43 | tarzeau | ajavid: i so love sauerbraten, finally it got updated in debian too |
| 19:18.44 | dejai | tarzeau, I stumble through CS subjects and work on what interests me :) |
| 19:19.01 | ajavid | tarzeau, nexuiz? I like that |
| 19:19.15 | tarzeau | ajavid: no i don't like nexuiz/open arena.. |
| 19:19.22 | rahsputin | xybre: are you using stable ? what are out-of-date package versions in testing ... ? |
| 19:19.48 | ajavid | tarzeau, so you beat nethack a few times? got your stats anywhere? |
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| 19:20.39 | xybre | rahsputin: karmic and sid have 1.2.1 which is over 3 months old now. |
| 19:20.48 | tarzeau | ajavid: sure: http://gnu.ethz.ch/linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ ascend* |
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| 19:21.32 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: What is your question what can we do for you? |
| 19:21.36 | tarzeau | ajavid, Zharf: it's not free, but it's great: world of goo |
| 19:21.50 | tarzeau | i so loved 2 player lemmings on amiga. |
| 19:23.13 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Distro maintainers are responsible for adding new and updated packages, I dont think there much in the way of what any of us average Joes can do for you. We arent maintainers. |
| 19:23.42 | ajavid | tarzeau, pingus |
| 19:23.51 | tarzeau | ajavid: sucks! it's quality and levels :) |
| 19:23.51 | xybre | I'm not trying to make anyone update the repos. I'm just looking for a tool that can track deps and up to date packages, I told you that in pm. |
| 19:23.56 | tarzeau | ajavid: like all bomberman clones |
| 19:24.29 | tarzeau | ajavid: really amiga had the graphics artists, which is just important for games. i mean linux has coders, and not only the good ones. graphics people? ZERO. music people? NADA. |
| 19:24.39 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Yes synaptic is a great one have you heard of it? or maybe packages.ubuntu.com? Those are great for tracking what has been added by the distro maintainers. |
| 19:24.53 | tarzeau | ajavid: north & south was so cool! |
| 19:24.58 | ajavid | I'm looking for a good nice solid stable world free mmorpg (graphics could be 2d/3d whatever) and pref. animated not tile based or move based |
| 19:25.06 | ajavid | tarzeau, any ideas? |
| 19:25.24 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Is there anything else i can help you with? |
| 19:25.31 | xybre | linuxguy2009: I don't mean to be a dick, but you're not helping. You're telling me a lot of things I'm already aware of. |
| 19:25.34 | ajavid | tarzeau, amiga was awesome |
| 19:25.42 | tarzeau | ajavid: absolutely no idea. but i liked apt-get install kq |
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| 19:25.50 | cncfanatics1 | ajavid: I fear runescape is your only option |
| 19:25.51 | ajavid | kq kicked butt |
| 19:25.54 | tarzeau | ajavid: what a pity the game ends in the middle of it because it's not finished. LOL! |
| 19:26.07 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Im sorry but those are the answers that I have to give, there just right. sorry if you dont like the help I gave. |
| 19:26.22 | ajavid | there is one python made one, not sure if its packaged yet, it is called dragon something |
| 19:26.25 | ajavid | dragon hunt? |
| 19:26.39 | xybre | You don't understand what I'm even trying trying to acomplish man. |
| 19:26.41 | ajavid | http://www.emhsoft.com/dh.html |
| 19:26.47 | ajavid | but its not mmo |
| 19:27.06 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Synaptic is great for downloading packages and there dependencies weather they are debs or source. |
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| 19:27.23 | tarzeau | ajavid: those graphics are ugly. kq graphics are cute, like mystiqe quest |
| 19:27.38 | ajavid | tarzeau, gameplay is very good though |
| 19:27.39 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Im not sure anyone else here does either, although i could be wrong. |
| 19:27.46 | ajavid | tarzeau, again, comes back to artists vs coders |
| 19:27.51 | tarzeau | ajavid: so i should give it a try, pity it's not packaged? |
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| 19:28.32 | ajavid | nope |
| 19:28.35 | tarzeau | ajavid: at least there's some good typefaces that are free software now! thanks fontforge. i collected them at fonts.debian.net |
| 19:28.49 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Sounds to me like your trying to reinvent the wheel. There are already command line tools as well as GTK tools for package tracking, management, and dependecy retreival. |
| 19:29.05 | ajavid | tarzeau, aww oldschool! |
| 19:29.20 | ajavid | tarzeau, at least the first few |
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| 19:29.42 | tarzeau | do you people know about screenshots.debian.net ? |
| 19:29.43 | ajavid | well some of them |
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| 19:29.48 | iluminator101 | Question what is kern.info supposed to do for example kern.info |/var/lib/psad/psadfifo ?? |
| 19:29.48 | FM_Gradenko | First off, I apologize for using a web-based client, but at least freenode supports it. I'm in a bit of a quagmire. Without talk of piracy, this will also be a difficult question, so I will word myself carefully. |
| 19:30.07 | xybre | linuxguy2009: I'm not trying to invent anything. I'm jsut looking for more up to date packages than are available in the repos. |
| 19:30.07 | tarzeau | ajavid: i'm a fan of futura, and junicode.. basically i like most that i package :) |
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| 19:30.42 | ajavid | tarzeau, I was a bit dishearted after my SMC packaging experience |
| 19:30.44 | FM_Gradenko | I am using a Toshiba Satellite (model unnecessary, as far as I am concerned), and intend to remove the Vista Basic SP1 from it, as I am aware that both Debian and XP will run faster on it. |
| 19:31.03 | ajavid | tarzeau, I should get back up on the horse, and make sure i file an ITP this time around |
| 19:31.03 | xybre | Even if no one is aware of newer packages, there are definately people here with more experience and knowledge than you. |
| 19:31.17 | FM_Gradenko | I have much data to back up, no DVD burner, no USB drive, no money, and I am not willing to use an entire spindle of CD-Rs to back it up. |
| 19:31.26 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Well if you have spent any time in Linux you will know that almost all packages are kept in repos or manually downloaded.Those are your two choices. If you choose not to use the repos packages because of being outdated, then you will have to manually hunt them down as well as any deps. |
| 19:31.35 | tarzeau | ajavid: remember http://gnu.ethz.ch/linuks.mine.nu/atari/ |
| 19:31.50 | tarzeau | ajavid: ah that was you? did you change your nick? |
| 19:32.08 | ajavid | tarzeau, this is my real name :) |
| 19:32.16 | ajavid | tarzeau, and I stopped smoking pot about a year ago |
| 19:32.23 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: I belive there are a few well known 3rd party repos and you can feel free to check there as well. |
| 19:32.25 | tarzeau | ajavid: very good. good boy! |
| 19:32.34 | ajavid | I'm not a boy anymore damnit! |
| 19:32.39 | tarzeau | ajavid: sorry man |
| 19:32.42 | ajavid | lol |
| 19:32.44 | FM_Gradenko | From your experience, is it possible to use the drive-shrinking and re-partitioning ability in Vista to create a separate drive in my system to back up said data, then install a copy of XP that does not allow any drive partitioning or formatting? I will, of course, install Debian after this. |
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| 19:33.24 | xybre | linuxguy2009. Just stop. Please. |
| 19:33.28 | FM_Gradenko | To further explain the copy of XP, it is, erm... "modified". I have a valid license. |
| 19:33.47 | azeem | FM_Gradenko: sounds like a Windows question to me, not a Debian question |
| 19:33.55 | linuxguy2009 | xybre: Sure |
| 19:34.12 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 19:34.12 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 19:34.20 | iluminator101 | what is kern.info? |
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| 19:34.51 | rahsputin | xybre: does that mean you would like to have information of the package ( for instance: $ aptitude show <app> ) about the package status at its origin ? |
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| 19:35.16 | rahsputin | in aptitude show i mean |
| 19:36.37 | mischief- | can anyone tell me where i can read about the boot options for the installer? |
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| 19:36.45 | iluminator101 | I am on a laptop and is there default cpu temperature control in debian i dont think its working too well?? |
| 19:36.46 | xybre | rahsputin: having it at the source? Might be useful, but not ideal. On the other hand now that you mention it, I could probably write a tool to resolve deps using package information while still using raw source. Not ideal, but it could work. |
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| 19:36.51 | ajavid | tarzeau, you know this one game for super nintendo, called pitfall the mayan adventures, was supposed to be a updated remake of this atari 2600 game called 'Tom Boy' iirc, you know how to play this in debian? where you jumped over aligators and pits and stuff |
| 19:37.36 | tarzeau | ajavid: no idea, really |
| 19:37.44 | ajavid | tarzeau, debian has pacakge atari800 I'm not sure if thats the thing |
| 19:37.48 | yacko | i am getting an error while compiling.. c++ preprocessor '/lib/cpp' fails sanity check |
| 19:38.14 | ajavid | tarzeau, hmm |
| 19:39.00 | azeem | yacko: do you have build-essential installed? |
| 19:39.19 | yacko | azeem i dont know... should i install it ? |
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| 19:39.58 | azeem | yacko: if you want to compile something, yes |
| 19:40.13 | yacko | ok koool |
| 19:40.19 | xybre | So in that turn, how can I specify a source package when running "aptitude show package"? |
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| 19:40.32 | andresj | how do i report canan-, which just sent me a message (when i joined #debian): "http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
| 19:40.39 | azeem | xybre: try aptitude showsrc maybe |
| 19:41.29 | ajavid | tarzeau, nm it seems you can play these games online for free |
| 19:41.43 | andresj | anyways, anybody familiar with apt-build? I'm having problems getting apt to automatically upgrade to the rebuilt packages ($package is already the newest version.) Also, I don't know how to tell apt to trust the repositoryâwhat key is it using? |
| 19:41.48 | mischief- | can anyone tell me where i can read about the boot options for the installer?.... |
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| 19:42.03 | ajavid | tarzeau, nice, didn't even know they had dos emulators in java running on the web |
| 19:42.12 | xybre | azeem: I also tried package-src, neither work. showsrc isn't a command, would be cool though. |
| 19:42.25 | hark | xybre: with apt-cache |
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| 19:42.29 | _Kuba | hi |
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| 19:43.34 | xybre | I think I can use build-dep for it. |
| 19:43.34 | azeem | andresj: thanks |
| 19:43.46 | azeem | xybre: then try apt-cache showsrc |
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| 19:44.33 | xybre | azeem / hark: ah yeah, it needs the source repos in the sources.list, I'll try that. |
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| 19:44.50 | _Kuba | I've got one quick question regarding dovecot/maildir: Is it responsible to `cp a/Maildir/cur/* b/Maildir/cur/`?:) |
| 19:46.11 | yacyac | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 19:46.20 | yacyac | any idea what is to be done for this |
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| 19:46.59 | azeem | yacyac: do what it says, install the X includes |
| 19:47.04 | shyam_k | how can i handle the compatibility problem of firefox language pack in iceweasal? |
| 19:47.12 | azeem | yacyac: if you have no idea what X includes are, maybe you should not compile stuff yourself |
| 19:47.16 | azeem | yacyac: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:47.27 | yacyac | i am trying to install a theme for kde |
| 19:47.39 | azeem | and there is no package for that? |
| 19:48.03 | yacyac | no |
| 19:48.22 | azeem | then I suggest to add a deb-src entry to your sources.list, and run apt-get build-dep for a similar theme package |
| 19:48.25 | azeem | !deb-src |
| 19:48.25 | dpkg | [deb-src] 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
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| 19:48.51 | rahsputin | xybre: will you make a documentation on apt-build ? |
| 19:48.54 | craigevil | yacyac: if there is no package for the theme you want download the theme and use kcontrol>Appearance>Theme to install it |
| 19:49.16 | yacyac | i cant install it from there |
| 19:49.22 | yacyac | it asks for .ktheme file |
| 19:49.25 | xybre | rahsputin: I can't really find a use for it, so I doubt it. |
| 19:50.03 | azeem | I don't think apt-build is currently maintained and/or recommended for use |
| 19:50.08 | rahsputin | xybre: or on your what you plan to do to solve your task |
| 19:50.59 | xybre | rahsputin: ah, yeah I could. Or I could be like a mathmatician and say "a solution exists!" and go back to sleep. (joke) |
| 19:51.21 | rahsputin | :) |
| 19:51.24 | yacyac | azeem, any idea what i should do |
| 19:51.38 | azeem | yacyac: see above |
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| 19:52.29 | yacyac | azeem, cant install it from control center |
| 19:52.54 | azeem | did I tell you to? |
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| 19:53.12 | yacyac | dude |
| 19:53.19 | yacyac | i am just getting confused right now |
| 19:53.29 | azeem | 21:45 < azeem> then I suggest to add a deb-src entry to your sources.list, and run apt-get build-dep for a similar theme package |
| 19:53.43 | azeem | yacyac: if you can't manage that, I suggest to just use the default theme for now |
| 19:53.49 | azeem | or another pre-packaged theme |
| 19:54.09 | yacyac | thanks for the help |
| 19:54.17 | yacyac | i will manage somethign |
| 19:58.42 | rahsputin | xybre: will it be in a debian forum, as in "/msg dpkg forum ? |
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| 19:59.38 | xybre | rahsputin: debian forum? I was just going to blahg it. :D |
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| 20:00.26 | rahsputin | xybre: url ? |
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| 20:03.42 | xybre | rahsputin: sure, let me link you when I finish the post. Theres not much there right now. |
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| 20:13.59 | j03 | cd #flood |
| 20:14.02 | j03 | crap |
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| 20:19.20 | d_b | I'm looking at /boot/grub/menu.lst and I see 4 entries there kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 and kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 (both have duplicate with (single-user mode), is it safe to remove the entries for kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64? That's the older version right so there's really no point to keep it. |
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| 20:20.05 | cantido | d_b: the update-grub script will do that if you remove those kernels |
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| 20:22.30 | d_b | cantido: is it as easy as doing: aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 ? |
| 20:22.52 | cantido | d_b: remove will do |
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| 20:24.28 | iluminator101 | what is ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE)? |
| 20:26.07 | iluminator101 | I am running debian squeeze and when i put a dvd in its always spinning even when i am not playing the dvd? |
| 20:26.17 | iluminator101 | How do i change that? |
| 20:26.29 | d_b | cantido: Thanks! |
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| 20:28.34 | project2501a | iluminator101: remove the dvd |
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| 20:29.33 | cantido | iluminator101: you're dvd drive should go into power saving mode.. |
| 20:29.41 | abrotman | your? |
| 20:29.50 | j03 | iluminator101: is it only with debian? it could be a firmware issue on the drive. |
| 20:30.04 | cantido | iluminator101: s/you're/your |
| 20:30.05 | abrotman | if you run something like powertop .. you'll probably see something like udev constantly polling the drive |
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| 20:31.27 | GhostlyDeath | I can't seem to install monodoc in lenny |
| 20:31.35 | iluminator101 | jo3: its only with debian...ubuntu does not do that |
| 20:31.40 | GhostlyDeath | says "blah blah DllNotFound: libc" |
| 20:31.50 | j03 | hmm |
| 20:32.23 | cantido | iluminator101: but debian isn't ubuntu |
| 20:32.38 | j03 | I asked him if it was a drive firmware issue |
| 20:32.54 | j03 | so him saying that confirmed that it wasnt :P |
| 20:33.14 | cantido | j03: I think/hope they test drive firmware better than that.. ;) |
| 20:33.44 | j03 | you never know! what with batterys exploding and graphics cards overheating... a spinning dvd wouldnt really supprise me ;) |
| 20:34.35 | iluminator101 | how do i check if its driver issue? |
| 20:34.41 | abrotman | iluminator101: try powertop |
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| 20:34.52 | cantido | j03: neither caused by firmware |
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| 20:35.33 | cantido | iluminator101: if it's an IDE drive, you could also check what power saving settings are configured with hdparm |
| 20:35.41 | j03 | cantido: true, but it's is caused by insufficient testing. |
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| 20:36.09 | frivas | Hi, I am looking for Jon Dowload, does anybody know about him? thanks in advance |
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| 20:36.16 | abrotman | frivas: why? |
| 20:36.25 | abrotman | and polling a million channels isn't going to help |
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| 20:36.30 | iluminator101 | cantido:i have a sata drive how do i check that? |
| 20:37.06 | cantido | iluminator101: sata drive is different, do as abrotman suggested and check if something is polling the drive |
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| 20:37.51 | GhostlyDeath | I know of a Jon but the guy asking left so I guess it doesn't matter anymore |
| 20:38.11 | abrotman | there's also sdparm |
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| 20:38.15 | cantido | there's probably a lot of Jons.. |
| 20:38.21 | syntax_enable | I am trying to install debian on my laptop and everytime I try, it always stalls at "Scanning the mirror" at 37%. It never advances. does anyone know why this might be happening? |
| 20:39.16 | iluminator101 | abortman here is my powertop http://www.linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d241e7007 doesnt look like it at least from what i see |
| 20:39.18 | GhostlyDeath | syntax_enable: Maybe your network is timing out |
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| 20:40.15 | syntax_enable | I'm on my desktop which is also hard wired to the same router. I'm able to ping the servers I'm trying to connect to and its always a success. |
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| 20:40.51 | abrotman | iluminator101: you have to actually watch it for awhile |
| 20:41.08 | abrotman | iluminator101: and IIRC it will suggest things to turn off |
| 20:41.48 | iluminator101 | Also how do i disenable tor on startup? |
| 20:41.49 | hikenboot | hello it appears my kernel (xen) thinks that grub is installed after using kpackage to install it..but the systems boots to a lilo menu...i assume that it must be on the second hard drive (I have RAID 1 for /boot) can i just swap the place of the two sata drives to get the grub to come up instead of the lilo without destroying the raid? |
| 20:41.56 | abrotman | iluminator101: man update-rc.d |
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| 20:43.00 | iluminator101 | abortman:i know that...i usually just remove that link...instead doing that i could just put a K infront of that program or..?? |
| 20:43.21 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:43.46 | cantido | hikenboot: you should install grub on both of the drives in the raid1 |
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| 20:44.02 | iluminator101 | abortmon: rc2.d the programs that startup are with S and how do i turn that S into a K? |
| 20:44.09 | abrotman | that's a new one ... |
| 20:44.13 | hikenboot | ok thanks cantido |
| 20:44.16 | abrotman | iluminator101: remove the symlink |
| 20:44.21 | poisonbit | hikenboot, pause the grub menu.lst, start to boot, and then plug the lilo disk, as soon as posible, before the kernel hardware detection ? |
| 20:44.40 | cantido | poisonbit: that sounds like a bad idea .com |
| 20:44.53 | hikenboot | right poisonbit that sounds like a great alternative |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom |
| 20:45.01 | poisonbit | i don't see other solution |
| 20:45.35 | iluminator101 | abortman:is that directed towards me? |
| 20:45.42 | cantido | hikenboot: when you install grub to your /boot array it should install the mbr on both disks automagically |
| 20:45.50 | abrotman | iluminator101: my powertop suggested that .. maybe yours would to if you watched it |
| 20:45.51 | poisonbit | hikenboot, also you can dd the bootloader from the mbr of the lilo disk, and after boot install grub on it |
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| 20:46.05 | Cynner | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139730844 |
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| 20:46.22 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 20:46.22 | poisonbit | cantido, >= that lenny for that feature |
| 20:46.39 | poisonbit | etch install grub only on the first hd |
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| 20:46.47 | cantido | poisonbit: Really? pretty sure it worked in etch |
| 20:47.01 | poisonbit | mmm sorry, may be sarge |
| 20:47.04 | hikenboot | hmm I wonder if that would actually work...I wouldnt do it but sounds like it might actually work |
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| 20:47.12 | poisonbit | i have had that issue |
| 20:47.13 | cantido | poisonbit: I don't think the versions of grub in etch and lenny are that far apart to be honest |
| 20:47.23 | mischief- | needs to get grub2 |
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| 20:47.44 | hikenboot | grub2 mischief? |
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| 20:47.54 | iluminator101 | abortman: if i remove symlink, would it show up as a k or delete it completely? |
| 20:48.08 | abrotman | delete it |
| 20:48.21 | g00se | With just wireless-tools and if*, how can i make the system see my pcmcia wireless card i just inserted? |
| 20:48.45 | cantido | g00se: you need the pcmcia packages too |
| 20:49.22 | g00se | cantido: pcmcia_core has the card's driver loaded |
| 20:49.24 | martianlobster | is there some way to make scp robust against the connection going down, so that if I need to restart it, it picks up where it left off previously? |
| 20:49.33 | abrotman | martianlobster: it already does that ? |
| 20:50.02 | martianlobster | abrotman: ok thanks, I will give it a try lol |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | martianlobster: if not, you could use rsync over ssh |
| 20:50.18 | abrotman | i think |
| 20:50.22 | g00se | cantido: Should i reload the driver or what? |
| 20:51.56 | cantido | g00se: Have you got pcmciautils? |
| 20:52.16 | poisonbit | martianlobster, see rsync over ssh also |
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| 20:52.35 | martianlobster | poisonbit: ok thanks |
| 20:52.46 | g00se | cantido: Yep. Just restarted that daemon |
| 20:52.57 | dutchfish | found bug kvm-72 aka lenny stable and the fix http://git.kernel.org/?p=virt/kvm/qemu-kvm.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0a04f0e130fa98da8b89e74debd379c2f08d120;hp=c690524ec1ae73d93de8b593188a36eed414e115 |
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| 20:54.28 | cantido | g00se: you should be able to see the events in dmesg with you plug/unplug the card |
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| 20:55.45 | g00se | cantido: It saw the unplug but not its being reinserted |
| 20:56.59 | g00se | cantido: Ah, this time reinsertion is seen |
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| 20:57.53 | iluminator101 | How do i get color ls for user and root? |
| 20:58.01 | cantido | g00se: I can remember pcmcia not being 100% reliable.. |
| 20:58.03 | abrotman | ls --color |
| 20:58.24 | iluminator101 | i want to be default all the time |
| 20:58.32 | abrotman | so set an alias |
| 20:58.35 | dutchfish | .bashrc |
| 20:58.41 | cantido | can you use --colour if you have a sensible $LC_CTYPE? ;) |
| 20:58.53 | g00se | cantido: Thanks |
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| 21:03.51 | iluminator101 | i did that for user it worked...but for root it didnt work? the color ls |
| 21:04.16 | rizet | anyone could tell me whether a tun device needs an ip? |
| 21:04.53 | linuxguy2009 | Hi guys I used jigdo to download the 5.0.2 CD1 and I am wondering, is there any added hardware support in this as compared to 5.0.1? |
| 21:05.57 | iluminator101 | i change .bashrc for root at roots ~ and added alias ls="ls --color=auto" , is not working do i have to logout?? |
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| 21:06.04 | abrotman | linuxguy2009: nope |
| 21:06.10 | linuxguy2009 | ok thank you |
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| 21:08.32 | rmacd | iluminator101 : yes, any changes made in /etc/profile or in ~/.bashrc will only be seen upon re-login |
| 21:09.47 | iluminator101 | ah k thanks |
| 21:09.54 | adb | rmacd: sources .bashrc, won't be enough? |
| 21:10.16 | abrotman | yes it will |
| 21:10.38 | rmacd | yes you could do that too, coming to think of it |
| 21:10.46 | iluminator101 | thanks guys for your help |
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| 21:14.12 | _KaszpiR_ | anyone knows the metod to automatically remove come some contents from the bianry on the beginnign of the file up to che specified substring? |
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| 21:14.53 | _KaszpiR_ | i got about 100 zips with appended garbage on the beginnig like <b>Warning header already sent>PZ(and here goes pproper zip contents) |
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| 21:16.13 | abrotman | _KaszpiR_: there is a 'fix' option to 'zip' |
| 21:16.14 | mischief- | hey anyone know of any cli battery or system monitoring tools (? |
| 21:16.24 | mischief- | ?* |
| 21:16.48 | abrotman | mischief-: yacpi ? |
| 21:17.19 | TrickFinlay2 | is #debian-sparc on freenode, invite only? |
| 21:17.26 | TrickFinlay2 | i just got kicked :( |
| 21:17.30 | abrotman | TrickFinlay2: the channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:17.39 | TrickFinlay2 | thanks abrotman |
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| 21:18.01 | TrickFinlay2 | any reason why its not on freenode? |
| 21:18.05 | mischief- | i'll look into it thannks abrotman |
| 21:18.25 | mischief- | aptitude is eating up my connection D: |
| 21:18.30 | mischief- | laggg! |
| 21:18.35 | abrotman | TrickFinlay2: lots of channels in both places .. guess they just chose there |
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| 21:18.54 | TrickFinlay2 | abrotman aye |
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| 21:22.00 | azeem | TrickFinlay2: most Debian channels are on oftc |
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| 21:22.40 | TrickFinlay2 | ah ok, thanks azeem |
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| 21:23.38 | mischief- | abrotman: okay, another question... know of a netowrk manager like wicd for cli?:> |
| 21:23.53 | abrotman | mischief-: vi and your interfaces file |
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| 21:24.05 | mischief- | -.- |
| 21:24.29 | abrotman | mischief-: not good enough ? |
| 21:24.51 | mischief- | abrotman: something more ncursrs-ish |
| 21:24.59 | abrotman | jeez ... |
| 21:25.25 | mischief- | alright, what about some sort of screen-like multiplexer, but like finch's window management? |
| 21:26.02 | mischief- | a cli de modeled after finch's window management would be awesome |
| 21:26.43 | _KaszpiR_ | abrotman thx for the info, looks like simpel renaming files to .zip cause the application to search for zip header automativally |
| 21:26.44 | Canar | hey, i got debian sid installed on my netbook the other day (squeeze won't work due to driver matters) and i was wondering how i get gnome up and running |
| 21:27.06 | Canar | i'd imagine i have to add some additional sources to my sources.list, but which ones? |
| 21:27.42 | abrotman | mischief-: like .. screen ? |
| 21:27.47 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:27.58 | abrotman | what is finch's window management ? |
| 21:28.07 | abrotman | Canar: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
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| 21:32.46 | mischief- | abrotman: finch is cli pidgin, it allows you to have IM windows and move them around |
| 21:33.02 | abrotman | never tried it |
| 21:33.18 | mischief- | it's rather neat, i wish irssi was more like it :P and screen too |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | well .. screen has windows .. and you can tile them IIRC |
| 21:33.50 | mischief- | you can? O_O |
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| 21:34.05 | mischief- | man screen |
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| 21:35.09 | mischief- | my god you're right abrotman :p |
| 21:35.20 | abrotman | this is bad ? |
| 21:35.33 | mischief- | no haha, but it's still not the exact functionality i want |
| 21:36.10 | debianlicks | whoa i installed debian testing from netinstall, after 1 boot from grub2 it just stops what's gone wrong? |
| 21:36.25 | azeem | debianlicks: it's testing, anything can go wrong |
| 21:36.35 | azeem | debianlicks: if you want a working system, install stable |
| 21:36.49 | NicoOOoOo | lol |
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| 21:41.06 | pumukleee | is away (/me balra el) |
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| 21:43.44 | azeem | Pumuk_Nincs: please turn off public away |
| 21:44.14 | plt | hi, my dhclient keeps getting disconnected when network unplugged, but when i plug it back i am haivn to rerun it - is there a way to do this without having to rerun it - i am running it on vmware on windows host |
| 21:44.39 | azeem | plt: use some network managing ting |
| 21:44.40 | azeem | thing* |
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| 21:44.48 | azeem | like ifplugd, or network-manager |
| 21:45.10 | bzed | plt: wicd works wvery well for me |
| 21:45.14 | plt | ok, will check them out - guess they can be used with vmware too ? |
| 21:45.42 | plt | basically i have vmware debian on windows host and when the network cable on windows is disc and conn. then windows regets tthe ip but not the debian |
| 21:45.56 | plt | you use wicd just for ths purpose or lots of other stuff ? |
| 21:45.59 | Canar | abrotman: I did that, but now when I log into gnome, I get a gray screen with nothing but a mouse cursor |
| 21:46.07 | azeem | plt: that might be a vmware isseu |
| 21:46.08 | azeem | issue |
| 21:46.17 | mischief- | uh plt you need to set an option for that |
| 21:46.26 | abrotman | Canar: which version of debian? |
| 21:46.30 | Shadowww | is away: sleep |
| 21:46.32 | Canar | sid |
| 21:46.32 | mischief- | plt: you need to set the option to duplicate adapter state for the virtual machines |
| 21:46.40 | plt | mischief : can you tel me how to ? |
| 21:46.51 | plt | is it done on the host or guest ? |
| 21:46.52 | mischief- | host |
| 21:46.54 | plt | i guess has to be something |
| 21:46.56 | plt | ok.. |
| 21:47.03 | mischief- | i can't remmeber where it is. read the manual or explore the menus. |
| 21:47.04 | plt | i have vmware player, is ther a way to do this from it ? |
| 21:47.09 | plt | ok.. |
| 21:47.28 | plt | i guess then dhclient alone will take care ? no need of network managing tool too ? |
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| 21:47.53 | iluminator101 | what is this CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 15000 nsec? |
| 21:48.30 | abrotman | !tell Shadowww about away |
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| 21:49.32 | Canar | abrotman: I installed the latest sid using the Debian-Installer Loader |
| 21:49.55 | abrotman | why would you install sid? |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 21:50.15 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:50.19 | Canar | squeeze's kernel dues not have network drivers for my machine. |
| 21:50.25 | Canar | aha |
| 21:50.47 | Canar | that is useful |
| 21:52.14 | Canar | and now one more install of debian, after trying lenny, then squeeze, then sid... |
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| 21:53.14 | abrotman | Canar: you could have asked here to start :) |
| 21:53.30 | iluminator101 | canar:what you should do is install sqeeze, then bootup onto single user...then ctrl + D to upgrade kernel |
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| 21:54.04 | Canar | iluminator101: how do i do a kernel upgrade without having working network drivers? |
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| 21:54.20 | abrotman | magic |
| 21:54.24 | Canar | abrotman: I tried. :( |
| 21:54.34 | abrotman | magic never fails! |
| 21:54.39 | iluminator101 | network driver has nothing do with kernel....what is network make |
| 21:54.52 | abrotman | iluminator101: how will he download a new kernel if he has no network ? |
| 21:55.08 | iluminator101 | i didnt know he didnt have network |
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| 21:55.12 | abrotman | Canar: it's okay .. i understand ... |
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| 22:00.32 | iluminator101 | canar:i am newbie...so refer to experts before you take my advice....my advice to you is download ndiswrapper and user your native windows network driver to get your network going |
| 22:00.34 | Canar | Is it possible to use the goodbye-microsoft.com installer with the kmuto builds or am I going to have to burn a CD? |
| 22:00.52 | Canar | iluminator101: recent kernels (and ubuntu) work just fine with it |
| 22:01.04 | Canar | i'm not eager to use ndiswrapper |
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| 22:02.51 | abrotman | Canar: i think the goodbye thing just uses the stable isntaller |
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| 22:03.13 | Canar | abrotman: it can be modified to install squeeze and sid... that's how i got sid installed last time |
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| 22:03.30 | Canar | and squeeze, as a matter of fact |
| 22:03.34 | abrotman | Canar: and this is why you use a CDRW? :) |
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| 22:04.14 | Canar | yeah i know :) i just don't like burning |
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| 22:05.13 | rahsputin | abrotman: can he use the floppy net-driver.img's from etch ? |
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| 22:05.29 | abrotman | rahsputin: which wouldn't support his network ... |
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| 22:11.47 | marcelo4 | hola |
| 22:13.00 | Hoxzer | Holla holla babla espanijol ? |
| 22:13.08 | marcelo4 | sip |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:13.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:14.38 | marcelo4 | buscamos locutores para radio web |
| 22:14.43 | marcelo4 | alguien interesado? |
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| 22:19.21 | marcelo4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.44 | jpinx | !es |
| 22:19.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:19.49 | adb | marcelo4: |
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| 22:21.41 | jpinx | marcelo4: if you speak english here you might get a response |
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| 22:23.13 | cemunal | why isn't there nvidia 71xx drivers in stable repo? |
| 22:24.15 | adb | cemunal: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 22:24.39 | adb | says ? |
| 22:25.36 | cemunal | adb: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] [10de:002d] (rev 15) |
| 22:25.50 | adb | judd: pciid 10de:002d |
| 22:25.51 | judd | adb: [10de:002d] is 'NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:002d |
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| 22:26.36 | adb | cemunal: ^^ |
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| 22:26.45 | cemunal | adb: squeeze |
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| 22:27.08 | adb | cemunal: same |
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| 22:27.51 | abrotman | adb: that's the kernel, not X |
| 22:27.52 | cemunal | adb: why? |
| 22:28.14 | abrotman | cemunal: there aren't any 'legacy' drivers? |
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| 22:28.38 | adb | abrotman: oh |
| 22:30.02 | adb | !TNT2 |
| 22:30.03 | dpkg | There are some linux drivers for the TNT2 video card at http://www.nvidia.com/Products.nsf/htmlmedia/software_drivers.html or newer drivers in CVS, see http://glx.on.openprojects.net/. XFree86 4.0 drivers at http://www.nvidia.com/Products/OpenDrvDwn.nsf/xfree86_40Download?OpenPage |
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| 22:30.39 | jelly-home | jeez, xf86 |
| 22:30.48 | Gryfelhase | !hd3200 |
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| 22:31.01 | RamsesFSFE | hi all |
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| 22:31.13 | jelly-home | cemunal: that old a card should just work with the free drivers |
| 22:31.38 | cemunal | ok |
| 22:31.40 | cemunal | i see |
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| 22:32.40 | cemunal | but i can install my legacy driver with nvidia method |
| 22:33.01 | adb | cemunal: nv driver will just work |
| 22:33.14 | abrotman | adb: that is so outdated it's silly |
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| 22:35.15 | daishadar | anyone know of a way to have my timezone updated automatically based on my ip address? |
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| 22:36.29 | cemunal | i think; very hard |
| 22:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | gps, you need gps! |
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| 22:45.43 | Canar | sighs... |
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| 22:45.50 | Canar | Having trouble booting from CD-RW :| |
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| 22:49.14 | noodles_10 | hello |
| 22:49.18 | jpinx | daishadar: if you find a way - let me know - I travel a lot too |
| 22:49.22 | lvh | hi |
| 22:49.41 | noodles_10 | Is it ok to ask questions here? |
| 22:49.53 | lvh | is it possible to have python2.6 use all the packages 2.5 has available to it? |
| 22:50.02 | lvh | noodles_10: no, it's generally frowned upon |
| 22:50.04 | amphi | noodles_10: it is (if they're debian questions :) |
| 22:50.08 | noodles_10 | lol ok |
| 22:50.23 | lvh | It appears that python2.6 tries really hard to not use any 2.5 modules. |
| 22:50.36 | jpinx | noodles_10: |
| 22:50.39 | jpinx | !ask |
| 22:50.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:54.06 | noodles_10 | So I'm new to linux software raids. For fun I'm trying to boot / off a raid0 with two disks. One disk is a SD card. The boot fails due to only one disk being detected. After I drop to the initramfs prompt the SD card is detected. Is there a way to delay the boot so it'll have time to detect the second disk in the raid? This is debian 5 btw and both disks work normally. Thanks |
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| 22:55.51 | noodles_10 | also the raid works noramlly when mounted from a live cd |
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| 22:58.03 | jelly-home | noodles_10: you'll need grub2 to boot off a md device |
| 22:58.11 | noodles_10 | really? |
| 22:58.30 | jelly-home | and I don't know if they support raid0 at all |
| 22:58.30 | noodles_10 | why does the debian installer let me set this up? |
| 22:58.38 | jelly-home | noodles_10: why wouldn't it? |
| 22:59.15 | jelly-home | there are a lot of unbootable setups you can create with the installer |
| 22:59.19 | noodles_10 | well it normally is good about warnings like installs without swap or /. Just seems strange |
| 22:59.34 | jelly-home | raid0 sucks anyway |
| 22:59.36 | noodles_10 | so grub2 might work? |
| 22:59.58 | noodles_10 | I know it's just a test to educate myself |
| 22:59.59 | jelly-home | I know it has at least md raid1 support |
| 23:00.01 | fogus | hello. I just installed debian minimal. it couldn't find any package servers during install. how do I go about installing stuff? |
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| 23:00.12 | azeem | fogus: setup sources.list |
| 23:00.14 | azeem | !sources.list |
| 23:00.15 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 23:00.51 | noodles_10 | thanks jelly-home! |
| 23:01.37 | fogus | azeem: how can I be sure that I can get online? ping is blocked by my gateway PC. how do I configure a default gateway? |
| 23:02.21 | azeem | fogus: try to run apt-get update |
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| 23:03.18 | noodles_10 | also does it make a difference booting from a raid0 md0 when I have /boot on it's own not on the raid? |
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| 23:07.36 | jelly-home | noodles_10: it does. |
| 23:08.48 | noodles_10 | that's how I have it set up so should normal grub boot it? |
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| 23:10.00 | noodles_10 | It really seems like it trys to boot before the SD card can be detected. It there any grub boot option to add a delay |
| 23:10.01 | jelly-home | it should be able to access the kernel and initrd images on a normal disk, yes |
| 23:11.14 | adb | --delay=300 ? |
| 23:11.23 | noodles_10 | cool trying it now |
| 23:11.47 | jelly-home | adb: kernel accepts --stuff? |
| 23:12.26 | adb | jelly-home: that's what google give .. |
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| 23:14.02 | jelly-home | adb: for booting off a sd card? I can't find any -- in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 23:14.38 | adb | jelly-home: is a guess , maybe ? |
| 23:15.44 | jelly-home | oh. |
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| 23:16.09 | jelly-home | it doesn't make much sense in the context, that's all |
| 23:16.46 | noodles_10 | --delay=300 or --delay=10000 seems to make not difference. |
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| 23:17.10 | jelly-home | noodles_10 needs a boot (kernel/initrd) parameter to delay md device detection/creation |
| 23:17.20 | sobersabre | hi. I wonder how complicated is it to write a cd from command line. |
| 23:17.38 | sobersabre | I want to write the dvd now, and to be able to append to it more files later on. |
| 23:17.41 | jelly-home | !kernel-params |
| 23:17.41 | dpkg | well, kernel-params is Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt in linux source tree, or http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?v=linux-2.6 |
| 23:17.55 | sobersabre | I'm looking at wodim manual, but it is ... quite a long list of options. |
| 23:18.14 | noodles_10 | that's a huge document. can you norrow it down any? |
| 23:19.13 | adb | still searching |
| 23:19.14 | jelly-home | noodles_10: apart from the obvious, searching for "delay", no |
| 23:19.35 | jelly-home | rootdelay= looks somewhat interesting. |
| 23:19.50 | jelly-home | also, |
| 23:19.53 | jelly-home | !initramfs debug |
| 23:19.53 | dpkg | from memory, initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
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| 23:23.12 | noodles_10 | rootdelay= did it!!! it didn't boot yet maybe i put the delay too long? but it's sitting there and you can see it has detected the SD card! |
| 23:23.28 | noodles_10 | thanks again jelly-home! |
| 23:23.50 | jelly-home | it's in seconds |
| 23:24.01 | noodles_10 | ah root delay is in seconds lol so 9000 is a lot |
| 23:24.36 | jelly-home | maybe you can afford a two hours boot |
| 23:24.45 | Igloo | If I'm not using gnome, where is it that I need to set up Fn-F3 to suspend, etc? |
| 23:24.47 | noodles_10 | lol rebooting now... |
| 23:25.09 | Igloo | I'm lost amongst hal, acpid, pm-utils, etc |
| 23:26.25 | amphi | Igloo: scripts under /etc/acpi |
| 23:26.42 | amphi | Igloo: assuming fn-f3 et al generate acpi events |
| 23:26.52 | Igloo | amphi: How would I know if they do? |
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| 23:26.58 | noodles_10 | ok so with a 10sec delay "md0 has been started with 2 drives" good! but then ext3-fs error loading journal. mount /dev/md0 /root failed |
| 23:27.18 | noodles_10 | any ideas on what's doing that? |
| 23:27.20 | Igloo | amphi: Run acpi_listen? |
| 23:27.27 | amphi | Igloo: aye |
| 23:27.37 | jelly-home | noodles_10: fsck your device. |
| 23:27.51 | noodles_10 | on it! |
| 23:28.01 | jelly-home | (the md0 one) |
| 23:28.03 | amphi | Igloo: I think that's the thing; it's been a while; otherwise, stop acpid and rin acpi from the command line |
| 23:28.27 | Igloo | amphi: Ah, acpid doesn't appear to be running. I guess I should fix that first :-) |
| 23:28.52 | fogus | I am behind an ISA server. I can control this server's settings. how can I access the web? |
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| 23:29.28 | fogus | or rather, the whole internet, not just the web |
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| 23:32.05 | adb | fogus: ask #windows |
| 23:32.39 | noodles_10 | fsck was not happy with /dev/md0 fixed a bunch of stuff. That's troubling... |
| 23:32.40 | fogus | adb: ask the guys in windows how to access the internet on linux? are you serious? |
| 23:33.11 | Igloo | amphi: Hmm, looks like acpid isn't starting because /proc/acpi/event doesn't exist, but that that's a deprecated interface |
| 23:33.24 | adb | fogus: ISA server is linux? |
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| 23:33.58 | fogus | adb: ISA runs on server 2k3. I need to access the internet from debian through ISA |
| 23:34.11 | adb | fogus: ask #windows |
| 23:34.12 | noodles_10 | booting again.... |
| 23:34.15 | g00se | How do i find out which version of driver x is in kernel y? |
| 23:34.49 | noodles_10 | it's booting from my raid0!!!! YAY! |
| 23:35.00 | amphi | Igloo: oh, that thing :( |
| 23:35.13 | noodles_10 | X started and everything looks good |
| 23:35.27 | amphi | Igloo: I forget the solution - I build my own kernels, with the deprecated interface ;) |
| 23:35.35 | noodles_10 | jelly-home I would give you all my internets if i could |
| 23:35.50 | Igloo | amphi: Ho humm :-( |
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| 23:37.40 | Igloo | amphi: So hal and pm-utils don't have a way to see ACPI events themselves? |
| 23:38.05 | amphi | dunno |
| 23:38.12 | amphi | what kernel are you running there? |
| 23:38.36 | Igloo | It's a 2.6.30 from the kmuto installer |
| 23:38.47 | d_b | Hi I just installed mpd and ncmpc and I'm a bit confused. My config file has -> user "mpd" but I haven't created any such user, will it still be used if I start mpd with root or will it stay as root? |
| 23:38.56 | d_b | I decided to just give it a try anyway and did "/etc/init.d/mpd start" as root but when I try to start ncmpc (as my regular user) I get this: error [15]: problems getting a response from "localhost" on port 6600 : Connection refused |
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| 23:39.31 | Igloo | So the linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 kernel, I think |
| 23:39.44 | amphi | Igloo: oh - I built .30 here from vanilla src |
| 23:39.57 | Igloo | is trying to avoid having to do that |
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| 23:42.21 | daffidity | hi. I just got debian and realised my xorg.conf file is empty! I am trying to fix the screen resolution. help would be welcome. thanks |
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| 23:43.35 | amphi | daffidity: you can switch it with xrandr, perhaps |
| 23:44.00 | adb | daffidity: edit xorg.conf ? |
| 23:44.05 | daffidity | amphi: I tried an xrandr --auto |
| 23:44.23 | amphi | daffidity: does xrandr with no args show the res. you want? |
| 23:44.26 | daffidity | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:44.30 | daffidity | and that too |
| 23:44.45 | adb | daffidity: depreciate in lenny |
| 23:45.25 | daffidity | amphi: the resolution I want is not there |
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| 23:46.34 | amphi | daffidity: then you must plunge deeper into the thickets, I fear |
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| 23:46.50 | daffidity | amphi: please explain |
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| 23:48.46 | adb | daffidity: take an example from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973 |
| 23:49.18 | adb | daffidity: nvidia ? |
| 23:49.49 | Igloo | OK, looking at the lshal output, I think it must be able to do it directly |
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| 23:50.54 | daffidity | adb : Will try that. Nvidia: No. never again. i picked my laptop to have an intel graphics card! |
| 23:50.59 | daffidity | brb |
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| 23:59.08 | adb | iluminator101: google `DDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE)` |
| 23:59.12 | daffidity | adb: did what the thread suggested. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt ever give me the option to do anything with the screen resolution. it just has options to set the keyboard layout |
