| 00:00.07 | \amethyst | JordiGH: aptitude search '~dfile-?sharing' finds a bunch more |
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| 00:00.59 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, mmmm tht kind of search works with apt-cache search? |
| 00:01.24 | dolphin_noel | brb |
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| 00:03.14 | davi__ | How to add the sid GPG repository signature? |
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| 00:03.37 | wols_ | davi__: topic |
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| 00:04.19 | mohadib | I got ff3 now (via apt), is the mouse wheel supposed to work like the back button in some cases? |
| 00:04.29 | davi__ | thanks wols_ |
| 00:04.34 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Thanks, I've seen a few I didn't know before. I'm looking for the mom-friendliest one. |
| 00:04.53 | JordiGH | I think she was a little confused by BitTorrent. |
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| 00:08.32 | KernelKlick |  I would like to install the new debian on an older machine...the problem is that the installation CD doesnt work on the machine because it does not have a math coproc. Can I make a kernel that will work with math emulation and then install debian? |
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| 00:09.07 | wols_ | debian doesn't work below 486 at least not etch |
| 00:09.11 | wols_ | sarge or woody might |
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| 00:09.51 | KernelKlick | it is a 486...just an SX instead of DX |
| 00:10.09 | KernelKlick | or vice-versa... |
| 00:10.18 | curtmack | "Starting System Tools Backends: system-tools-backendsinvoke-rc.d: initscript system-tools-backends, action "start" failed." |
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| 00:10.42 | curtmack | I get that when I try to configure system-tools-backends 2.6.0-1 |
| 00:10.46 | dcordes_ | hi KernelKlick |
| 00:10.49 | curtmack | any ideas? |
| 00:10.54 | KernelKlick | hey dcordes: |
| 00:11.05 | KernelKlick | trying a new approach :) |
| 00:11.26 | dcordes | also me |
| 00:11.38 | wols_ | curtmack: add -x in the first line of the init script to enable bash line by line debugging |
| 00:11.54 | KernelKlick | wondering if I can change the kernel in the install process of debian, make a new one with math emulation turned on and do the install as normal |
| 00:12.02 | curtmack | where would I find the initscript? |
| 00:12.22 | dcordes | KernelKlick: ist hat option still present in mainline? |
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| 00:12.46 | KernelKlick | yes...its even available in Kernel with Ubuntu.......ooooooooohhhh |
| 00:12.51 | KernelKlick | LOL |
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| 00:13.23 | KernelKlick | thats why I think it will work, If I can figure out how to plug that into the debian install |
| 00:13.49 | dcordes | KernelKlick: have a look at live-helper |
| 00:14.05 | curtmack | wols_: Where would I find the init script? |
| 00:14.22 | wols_ | !tell curtmack about sysvinit |
| 00:14.45 | KernelKlick | is that you? |
| 00:14.57 | dcordes | KernelKlick: huh? |
| 00:15.21 | KernelKlick | lihttp://www.livehelper.com or debian live-helper package |
| 00:15.44 | dcordes | KernelKlick: the second |
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| 00:15.58 | KernelKlick | LOL...kk |
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| 00:16.15 | deus___ | n8 |
| 00:16.57 | KernelKlick | heh..that may work |
| 00:17.00 | KernelKlick | sweet |
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| 00:21.57 | corky | does debian go boom when i add an ubuntu repo and install alsa via that repo? |
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| 00:24.16 | dread | it shouldn't |
| 00:24.34 | KernelKlick | dcordes: poky failed on its compile too...I am wondering if its just a new version of stuff causing failures |
| 00:24.38 | corky | dread, are you talking to me? |
| 00:24.43 | dread | yeah |
| 00:24.49 | corky | ok.. was just wondering... |
| 00:24.53 | corky | any idea on what those are? ^^ |
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| 00:27.28 | gonzaloaf | hi, isnt flashplugin-nonfree still available for testing? |
| 00:27.50 | trinux | dread: i would not add ubuntu repositories. instead i would check if backports.org has what you need or if you can use pinning and a testing/unstable repository of debian |
| 00:27.55 | dcordes | KernelKlick: poky failed? that's odd. poky is very static and usually only well tested metadata goes there |
| 00:28.07 | trinux | gonzaloaf: maybe from debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:28.10 | dcordes | KernelKlick: did you build the latest poky? (pinky) |
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| 00:28.45 | dread | trinux: I don't have any ubuntu repos, but you can add them and have them work |
| 00:28.58 | KernelKlick | I just used the arm qemu from the quick start...it built about half way through.... |
| 00:29.02 | trinux | dread: maybe. but to me it does not make sense |
| 00:29.24 | trinux | you most likely get library inconsistencies |
| 00:29.49 | mohadib | doing that is just asking to break apt |
| 00:30.04 | KernelKlick | wow the debian live guys sure are quiet |
| 00:30.06 | KernelKlick | :) |
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| 00:30.38 | NateSide | Hi, im new to debian, (ive been using gentoo for years), and I just set up a new server with debian, and my webapp is complaining about the version of gd installed, aparently its the gd that comes from libgd.org, not the version that comes bundled with php |
| 00:30.42 | trinux | KernelKlick: maybe they are hiding on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 00:31.04 | KernelKlick | they are...I think I found them...they are just quiet |
| 00:31.18 | NateSide | How do i reinstall the correct version of gd? |
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| 00:31.40 | KernelKlick | there are 40 of us in there... |
| 00:31.56 | trinux | :) |
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| 00:32.39 | trinux | NateSide: have a look at backports.org if they provide you a new enough version of php-gd |
| 00:32.59 | helo_ | on boot, just after kinit tries to resume from my swap partition, i just saw 3 lines saying "scsi_id[10XX]: scsi_id: unable to access '/block/sdb/sdb{1,2}'... i don't remember seeing this before? |
| 00:34.07 | NateSide | trinux: searching for php-gd on backports.org had no results |
| 00:34.23 | dcordes | can somebody point me on how to make a live usb stick where you can save stuff? |
| 00:35.18 | dcordes | dd the lenny image to my 2gb usb worked just fine. I found this site in debian live wiki, but it is not very detailed http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Persistence |
| 00:35.27 | trinux | NateSide: maybe its php5-gd |
| 00:36.17 | NateSide | trinux: no such luck |
| 00:36.19 | trinux | NateSide: alternative is to build it from source on your own |
| 00:36.55 | trinux | or use pinning and selected packages from testing/unstable |
| 00:37.05 | Vorbote | NateSide: or backport the debian sourcepackage with the help of pbuilder |
| 00:37.27 | trinux | even a better idea. keeps package consistency |
| 00:37.40 | NateSide | wow, lots of great suggestions but, today is my first day using debian, i dont know where to start |
| 00:38.52 | trinux | oh, in that case ... hm! |
| 00:39.11 | trinux | NateSide: will your application run on a remote server? |
| 00:39.32 | NateSide | ive been using gentoo for years tho, this shouldnt be beyond me |
| 00:39.46 | trinux | so lets see if i find a backporting howto |
| 00:40.23 | NateSide | trinux: the application is drupal, and it is running on a remote server, i have a virtual private server from slicehost |
| 00:40.24 | mohadib | you can do this with apt-get source and what not |
| 00:41.02 | mohadib | you can grab the source with apt , then update it via scripts provided , the have apt build it |
| 00:41.13 | mohadib | cant recall the exact procedure |
| 00:41.20 | trinux | NateSide: and apt-cache cant find drupal? |
| 00:41.36 | trinux | or aptitude search drupal |
| 00:41.44 | NateSide | trinux: i dont know about apt-cache |
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| 00:42.09 | trinux | NateSide: quickly forget that i mentioned apt-cache then. have a look at aptitude instead |
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| 00:42.59 | NateSide | trinux: no result |
| 00:43.03 | trinux | "aptitude update" to fetch the newest package lists. then "aptitude search <keyword>" for searches and "aptitude install <package>" for installs |
| 00:43.44 | NateSide | still no result |
| 00:43.59 | NateSide | i installed drupal from the tar ball at drupal.org |
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| 00:47.03 | trinux | NateSide: you are right, for some reason its in old stable aka sarge and testing aka lenny but not in stable aka etch. in this case you need to poke http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html and look how you can install only selected packages from lenny while you keep the rest in etch |
| 00:47.04 | NateSide | trinux: i found an iteresting comment on drupal.org, does this look like a safe thing to try? http://drupal.org/node/55585#comment-142008 |
| 00:47.44 | dread | has anyone tried to run the storm botnet app (game0.exe, game1.exe, game2.exe, game3.exe, game4.exe, game5.exe) under wine or crossover? |
| 00:50.11 | trinux | NateSide: basically thats what i had in mind. except you need to set "Default::Release='etch';" in the apt config so it wont update the entire system to lenny. thats why the link to the APT HOWTO cause i dont know for sure :) |
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| 00:52.20 | NateSide | trinux: i notice that the howto says to create /etc/apt/apt.conf if it doesnt exist, how ever I do see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 00:53.29 | NateSide | should I still create /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
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| 00:55.17 | NateSide | after set the default, then I should "apt-get -t lenny install php5-gd" or should I "apt-get remove php5-gd" first? |
| 00:56.00 | NateSide | i am very nervous about the posibility of hosing my system |
| 00:58.10 | buu | After the first dozen times you get over thaat. |
| 00:58.58 | trinux | NateSide: you are save to go :) |
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| 01:01.25 | helo_ | hmm... earlier 'scsi_id: unable to access "/block/sdb/sdb{1,2}"' followed by a complete fsck failure and inability to access /dev/sdbX or /dev/hdaX was apparently caused by having my usb cdrom plugged in... |
| 01:02.04 | amphi | NateSide: you can always restore from a recent backup ;) |
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| 01:03.38 | helo_ | do i need to turn off my usb cdrw before i boot, or is there a better way? |
| 01:04.24 | Kevin` | helo_: use persistant names |
| 01:04.40 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.11 | NateSide | didnt work, just did "apt-get -t lenny install php5-gd" and drupal is still complaining about gd |
| 01:10.19 | simonrvn | did you activate it? |
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| 01:11.10 | NateSide | activate it? |
| 01:11.17 | helo_ | o]-< |
| 01:11.23 | helo_ | o|-< |
| 01:11.57 | simonrvn | NateSide: either included in the php.ini file or as a separate file in /etc/php5/*/conf.d |
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| 01:12.42 | NateSide | simonrvn: its already uncommented |
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| 01:13.20 | simonrvn | did you check <?php phpinfo(); ?> ? |
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| 01:14.42 | NateSide | nice phpinfor has been deativated for sequirty reasons, just a moment |
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| 01:28.52 | r3m-souper | Hi is there a live distro for powerpc? |
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| 01:29.25 | superfirelord42 | i know there are live debian variants for the ppc, does debian do live cds? |
| 01:31.53 | Kumool | nop |
| 01:32.17 | Kumool | knoppix uses debian |
| 01:32.22 | Kumool | i think... |
| 01:33.09 | amphi | Kumool: there is (or used to be) a sysresccd.org iso for ppc |
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| 01:34.14 | r3m-souper | Superfirelord42 thanks a lot i found for ubuntu. |
| 01:34.17 | r3m-souper | Thanks man. |
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| 01:39.05 | simonrvn | Kumool: no it doesn't |
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| 01:50.28 | n3kl | Hey, what command do I need to add a device to an existing mdadm raid, not as a hot spare? |
| 01:52.33 | Ian_Daniher | I have a fairly unique situation: I want to sync the /home directory from my laptop to my desktop, to keep my server up to date |
| 01:52.51 | Ian_Daniher | I have the same username on both computers |
| 01:52.59 | n3kl | Ian_Daniher: not as unique as you think. I like to use rsync |
| 01:53.01 | Ian_Daniher | but I need a way to mirror one to the other and maintain permissions |
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| 01:53.39 | Ian_Daniher | n3kl: would that allow me to use the same .xsession, .bashrc, and such on the server without problems? |
| 01:53.42 | n3kl | Ian_Daniher: rsync -aupv /home/user user@desktop:/home/user |
| 01:54.02 | n3kl | Ian_Daniher: yeah, for dotfiles, I use something different, but that'll work |
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| 01:56.11 | Ian_Daniher | k |
| 01:56.13 | Ian_Daniher | thanks |
| 01:56.28 | n3kl | p |
| 01:57.30 | Ian_Daniher | is there a daemon I have to install on my desktop? |
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| 02:00.27 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know anything about voip ? |
| 02:02.15 | \amethyst | Ian_Daniher: openssh-server |
| 02:02.26 | Ian_Daniher | \amethyst: thanks, makes sense |
| 02:03.18 | epsilon | you don't "have" to install anything |
| 02:03.34 | n3kl | Ian_Daniher: there is a daemon that comes with it, I do not use it, rsync can use ssh. The command I gave you will use ssh |
| 02:03.44 | Ian_Daniher | wonderful |
| 02:03.46 | n3kl | batcoder-7: just ask |
| 02:03.49 | Ian_Daniher | <3's ssh |
| 02:04.16 | n3kl | batcoder-7: there is also a #networking |
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| 02:07.42 | n3kl | How can I stop a mdadm raid from scanning? |
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| 02:16.00 | Gorbulas | hello |
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| 02:16.27 | Gorbulas | is there a good way to enable the wired ethernet with link local addressing without disconnecting the wireless? |
| 02:17.11 | n3kl | ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 02:20.32 | helo_ | what is the best option for encrypting a partition? |
| 02:20.56 | DogBoy | not to? |
| 02:21.27 | Gorbulas | hmm network manager just died on me so I need to wait for it to stabilize again(it's got wired and wireless ticked and keeps trying to acquire a wired address) |
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| 02:21.59 | Gorbulas | :( rebooting |
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| 02:22.48 | RodolfoRG | hello. does anybody here use debian/testing? |
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| 02:22.58 | ninjaslim | hi guys, is there a way to disable auto-adding daemons when installed via apt to proper runlevels so that they start automatically on startup |
| 02:23.19 | helo_ | i can only work from home if i can access sensitive data from home, which would require it to be on my laptop's hard drive... but it would be bad if that was stolen... so i'd like to encrypt it |
| 02:23.22 | Gorbulas | what's the deal with network manager being so unstable and inflexible? I wouldn't use it at all if there were an easy alternative for getting on a wireless network |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: ask your real question |
| 02:23.46 | abrotman | Gorbulas: i set mine manually in the interfaces file |
| 02:23.48 | helo_ | is dm-crypt or aes-loop in lenny? |
| 02:23.51 | RodolfoRG | i wanna now why the Package: libgtk2.0-0 (2.12.10-2) is actually 2.10, not 2.12 as it seems |
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| 02:23.58 | pickcoder | helo_: no VPN? |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: how did you get that from the package name? |
| 02:24.11 | helo_ | nope :) |
| 02:24.41 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: (2.12.10-2) |
| 02:24.46 | pickcoder | helo_: how does encrypting it help? |
| 02:24.48 | Gorbulas | helo_: use encrypted LVM if you are installing a new system. you can also set up encrypted loopback devices the same way |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: i meant that i was actually 2.10 |
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| 02:26.35 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: the problem is it installed gnome-terminal (2.22.3-1)... and it needs a symbol not defined at gtk+ 2.10.... |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | doesn't recall having htat issue when installing gnome-terminal |
| 02:27.08 | helo_ | i could use ssh i guess... but i'd rather not allow access to my company's network from the internet... |
| 02:27.13 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: undefined symbol: gtk_widget_set_tooltip_text |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: moment .. i'm reinstalling it |
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| 02:27.57 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: i have this issue with almost all gnome apps ... gnome-panel, epiphany... |
| 02:28.02 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: nope .. didn't happen here |
| 02:28.07 | Gorbulas | helo_: there are ways to encrypt the entire hard drive or just a partition or a partition contained in a file by using LUKS. |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: i wonder if your libgtk installation got messed up somehow |
| 02:28.39 | helo_ | is luks in the repos? |
| 02:28.45 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: o.O how can I fix that? could u help me? |
| 02:28.54 | \amethyst | vim time.txt -c 'r!date +\%A\%t\%d' would do it |
| 02:28.56 | \amethyst | doh |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: you could try to reinstall the libgtk package .. and/or check the BTS |
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| 02:29.15 | Gorbulas | helo_: probably. it's used if you do a new install and select the encrypted lvm option for partitioning |
| 02:29.26 | pickcoder | helo_: ssh over VPN is quite secure |
| 02:29.32 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: bts? |
| 02:29.39 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 02:29.40 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 02:29.59 | streuner | simonrvn: damn, you are faster :-) (/me thought about btssmite ;-)) |
| 02:30.11 | abrotman | you knew it was coming :) |
| 02:30.39 | RodolfoRG | simonrvn and abrotman: you're mean ;) |
| 02:30.40 | simonrvn | i'm on slow mode right now. recharging batteries right now. |
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| 02:30.45 | Gorbulas | ifconfig eth1 up gives me no addresses at all. no self assigned ipv4, no link local ipv6 |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | i'm mean? |
| 02:31.09 | RodolfoRG | \you knew it was coming\ |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:31.37 | RodolfoRG | well, restarting graphical server... cya |
| 02:31.38 | streuner | simonrvn: vacation is the magic word in this case :-P |
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| 02:31.58 | simonrvn | streuner: what does that word mean? ;) |
| 02:32.08 | streuner | simonrvn: hehe :-) |
| 02:32.38 | simonrvn | i've never had a vacation. seriously. life doesn't give you vacation time. |
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| 02:33.03 | pickcoder | you have to take it |
| 02:33.04 | abrotman | restarting graphical server? |
| 02:33.13 | streuner | gone |
| 02:33.30 | streuner | X, prolly? |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | yeah i got that |
| 02:34.08 | streuner | simonrvn: that word means, you take a break of all stress you have in REAL life :-) |
| 02:34.19 | pickcoder | helo_: if you're extremely paranoid, you can block access to just your home IP from VPN access |
| 02:34.57 | simonrvn | i call it staying at home and takin' it easy. besides, went to pow wow this weekend ;) |
| 02:35.24 | streuner | hm, yes, other people fishing or do something else, yep |
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| 02:37.24 | vicro | hi, help me ,i need conect with ODBC of winxp in virtualbox to mysql in linux |
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| 02:37.49 | Gorbulas | where is the debian in that issue? |
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| 02:38.44 | vicro | and not install win in my pc |
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| 02:40.40 | pickcoder | vicro: how do you plan on using MySQL on Debian? |
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| 02:41.31 | Fox24 | hi |
| 02:42.04 | vicro | i working a aplication for my class and i need is |
| 02:42.57 | pickcoder | vicro: that's nice, but you didn't answer my question |
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| 02:43.51 | superfirelord42 | vicro: is your linux box with mysql debian? |
| 02:43.54 | vicro | is conect a mysql of the virtual machine |
| 02:44.02 | vicro | virtual box |
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| 02:44.17 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 02:44.33 | superfirelord42 | vicro: so your virtual machine's host computer is debian? |
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| 02:45.26 | PiousMinion | If kismet is a console app, why the hell does the kismet package in lenny require an assload of 'qt4' libs? |
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| 02:45.53 | Gorbulas | for the extra bloat |
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| 02:46.28 | PiousMinion | Right, but isn't qt the really bloated KDE gui crap? Why would a console app need that? |
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| 02:47.03 | vicro | use ubuntu and I want to connect with VirtualBox from my xp mysql database on Linux. Use Ubuntu |
| 02:47.05 | Gorbulas | it's a C++ library for graphical user interfaces, but it has some utilities in it |
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| 02:47.17 | streuner | !depends kismet |
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| 02:47.20 | dpkg | kismet: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgmp3c2, libmagick10, libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg), wireless-tools, wireshark-common |
| 02:47.52 | PiousMinion | I don't see qt in that list. IS that just for etch? |
| 02:47.53 | RodolfoRG | hi again, abrotman... well i do know _re_install a package via synaptic, but don't by aptitude or apt-get... how can I do that? only removing every depency together? |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
| 02:48.26 | streuner | PiousMinion: packages.debian.org/kismet |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | vicro: this has nothing to do with Debian ... |
| 02:48.40 | PiousMinion | vicro: this is not #ubuntu |
| 02:48.50 | vicro | and I do not want to install windows on my pc |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | vicro: this has nothing to do with Debian ... |
| 02:48.57 | superfirelord42 | !ubuntu |
| 02:48.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:49.08 | Gorbulas | I know how to assign an IPv4 link local address. how do I assign an IPv6 link local address? |
| 02:49.19 | streuner | PiousMinion: no, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kismet |
| 02:49.20 | superfirelord42 | vicro, try a /j #vbox |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | vicro: i suggest you try asking a channel appropriate for your problem .. this is *not* it |
| 02:49.37 | superfirelord42 | #vbox will help you with issues with virtual box... |
| 02:49.50 | vicro | and debian for a solution, because if so I change |
| 02:49.57 | vicro | a ok ,,thank |
| 02:50.07 | Gorbulas | because network manager seems to disable the ipv6 link local addressing features |
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| 02:50.48 | PiousMinion | streuner: I don't see any qtlibs mentioned there either, but when I do "apt-get install kismet" I get a whole screen full of qtlibs it wants to install. |
| 02:51.12 | Gorbulas | maybe one of the dependancies of Kismet links against QT |
| 02:51.41 | Gorbulas | does apt have a dependancy tree tool? |
| 02:51.45 | PiousMinion | Gorbulas: would that not be listed on the packages details page... or does it not do that? |
| 02:52.10 | PiousMinion | "dependency tree tool"...? that would be helpful |
| 02:52.25 | streuner | apt-rdepends? |
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| 02:52.47 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: no success again =/ |
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| 02:53.00 | streuner | apis:/home/user# apt-rdepends kismet | grep qt |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: did you check the BTS? |
| 02:53.10 | streuner | apis:/home/user# |
| 02:54.00 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: i'll unpack the .deb, grep it searching for gtk_widget_set_tooltip_text first |
| 02:55.03 | Nakjeido2 | how do i run a process in the background? |
| 02:55.23 | streuner | some command & |
| 02:55.52 | Gorbulas | Nakjeido2: and then you can bring the process back to the foreground with "fg" |
| 02:56.08 | PiousMinion | apt-rdepends kismet | grep qt <-- returns nothing |
| 02:56.51 | Gorbulas | do you have apt-rdepends? |
| 02:57.02 | PiousMinion | Gorbulas: of course. heh |
| 02:58.12 | streuner | PiousMinion: show us the command and the whole stuff in paste.debian.net please |
| 02:58.26 | PiousMinion | streuner: sure thing. sec |
| 02:58.29 | streuner | PiousMinion: (apt-get install kismet) and your sources.list |
| 02:58.59 | Gorbulas | PiousMinion: try aptitude why kismet libqt4-core |
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| 03:00.56 | Gorbulas | kismet depends libmagick10 depends libdjvulibre21 recommends djvulibre-desktop recommends djview4 depends libqt4-core |
| 03:01.17 | Gorbulas | so kismet shouldn't depend libqt4-core⦠|
| 03:01.54 | Gorbulas | maybe a bug unless you specified -R |
| 03:02.19 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: oh my... it matches |
| 03:02.31 | abrotman | it? |
| 03:02.49 | Gorbulas | or whatever that recommends as depends option was |
| 03:03.23 | newsense | im using a stock kernel and want to compile a kernel specifically for the hardware i have and nothing else, non initrd kernel, any good way to determine exactly what i need compiled into the kernel ? |
| 03:03.51 | RodolfoRG | abrotman: the libraries have it inside :P or mentions it, at least |
| 03:03.53 | newsense | any tool to make a kernel config ? |
| 03:03.55 | SerajewelKS | newsense: lsmod | awk '{print $1}' |
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| 03:04.25 | SerajewelKS | newsense: aside from that there's not a whole lot you can get without manual experimentation |
| 03:04.31 | newsense | SerajewelKS, i cant use that as a kernel.config can i ? |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | RodolfoRG: weird ... |
| 03:04.37 | SerajewelKS | newsense: no |
| 03:04.38 | Nyle | !ping |
| 03:04.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:04.45 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 03:04.59 | Nyle | vacation fucking kicked ass |
| 03:05.14 | Nyle | hello #debian! |
| 03:05.17 | Nyle | how are you |
| 03:05.30 | PiousMinion | streuner: paste.debian.net was being buggy for me. Here's what I got. --> http://pastebin.ca/1071977 |
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| 03:05.43 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: elitist and abrasive as usual, you? |
| 03:05.56 | newsense | SerajewelKS, thanx, thats what i figured, ive configured light kernels before but thought there migh be a no brainer approach, ill do it the ol skool way guess ;) |
| 03:06.42 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, got a new guitar, dad bought me a new laptop, mom bought me a 40gb ipod, brother gave me a watch, both my brothers graduated and I gave em a grand each.. had a huge party.. gonna upload pics soon :) Kinda jetlagged atm... Kernel compiled 3 days ago |
| 03:06.43 | pickcoder | newsense: what do you plan to gain by doing that? |
| 03:06.49 | Nyle | so now I'm gonna probably reboot |
| 03:06.54 | Nyle | with the new kernel |
| 03:06.57 | Nyle | thanks for askin |
| 03:06.59 | Nyle | bye now |
| 03:07.03 | newsense | im bored and itll load a lil faster |
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| 03:07.40 | newsense | who needs ininrd anyways |
| 03:07.59 | Nyle | side note: I _did_ miss #debian |
| 03:08.05 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:08.10 | Nyle | almost as much as i missed my family |
| 03:08.11 | newsense | lol |
| 03:08.11 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:08.25 | Nyle | i love this community |
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| 03:08.33 | Nyle | the best linux people around |
| 03:08.36 | newsense | me too |
| 03:08.40 | Nyle | anyway i gotta go now finally |
| 03:08.45 | Nyle | *away* |
| 03:08.50 | newsense | ba bye |
| 03:09.33 | Gorbulas | how am I supposed to sshfs over ipv6? it just resets the connection |
| 03:10.06 | SerajewelKS | Gorbulas: can you ssh -6 to the same server? |
| 03:10.11 | Gorbulas | yes |
| 03:10.43 | SerajewelKS | Gorbulas: should work then. i use sshfs with ipv6 pretty regularly, never had any issues. |
| 03:10.47 | Gorbulas | sshfs works if I provide the host name, but then it takes the long route instead of the short one |
| 03:11.14 | SerajewelKS | Gorbulas: did you wrap the ip6 address in [] ? |
| 03:11.18 | Gorbulas | yes |
| 03:11.30 | Gorbulas | says "read: Connection reset by peer" |
| 03:11.41 | SerajewelKS | ssh works with the same address? |
| 03:11.57 | Gorbulas | yes |
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| 03:12.17 | SerajewelKS | huh |
| 03:12.23 | Gorbulas | I think it might be a bug in the command line parser because the connection is reset before it asks for my passphrase |
| 03:12.24 | SerajewelKS | tcpdump it? |
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| 03:12.39 | streuner | PiousMinion: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:12.52 | SerajewelKS | Gorbulas: try putting a mapping in /etc/hosts from some bogus hostname to that address and try it |
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| 03:15.19 | PiousMinion | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-10 Gnu C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:15.36 | PiousMinion | s/Gnu/GNU |
| 03:15.41 | streuner | PiousMinion: comment all unstable lines with '#' |
| 03:16.02 | streuner | line 14 + 15 |
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| 03:16.27 | jiunshyong | hi everyone, got a question. am a debian user. is it safe to be on irc from inside a company network protected by firewall? thks |
| 03:17.02 | streuner | PiousMinion: and run "apt-get update" again |
| 03:17.12 | pickcoder | jiunshyong: define "safe" |
| 03:17.41 | Gorbulas | it works if I make an entry in ~/.ssh/config |
| 03:17.51 | PiousMinion | streuner: I commented out the 2 unstable lines as well as debian-multimedia and ran apt-get update. I get the same qt lib requirements when trying to install kismet. :( |
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| 03:18.17 | jiunshyong | will any trojans, viruses, worms, etc get into my company network thru irc if i m chatting from inside my company network |
| 03:18.25 | jiunshyong | network is protected by firewall |
| 03:18.31 | jiunshyong | i am a newbie when comes to comp sec |
| 03:19.00 | Gorbulas | jiunshyong: that wouldn't make any sense unless your IRC client allowed people to use it as a proxy to arbitrary services |
| 03:19.24 | pickcoder | jiunshyong: if you can |
| 03:19.28 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 03:19.31 | streuner | PiousMinion: ok, just install the packages and try to remove them |
| 03:19.38 | pickcoder | jiunshyong: if you can't access it, then they probably don't want you on it |
| 03:19.45 | streuner | PiousMinion: show us then, what you got |
| 03:19.52 | Nyle | join #linux-pakistan |
| 03:19.54 | pickcoder | if you can, then consult the net admin |
| 03:19.55 | Nyle | frr. |
| 03:20.00 | jiunshyong | just that i am running a small company network, i m the net admin here |
| 03:20.16 | PiousMinion | streuner: I have slightly less than the required drive space to do that. :( |
| 03:20.38 | streuner | no space for 100 MB? |
| 03:20.49 | PiousMinion | nope, only about 69mb left |
| 03:20.55 | Gorbulas | jiunshyong: most IRC clients are more secure than mast web browsers probably |
| 03:20.57 | pickcoder | jiunshyong: if they are using a client that auto-accepts DCC then it could be possible that a worm could be sent |
| 03:21.08 | streuner | remove pr0n then :-) |
| 03:21.29 | jiunshyong | pickcoder: even thought network is protected by firewall? |
| 03:21.30 | Gorbulas | but it shouldn't be automatically run |
| 03:21.38 | PiousMinion | streuner: lol. This is all on a 2gb thumbdrive on encrypted LVM. :P |
| 03:21.38 | jiunshyong | worm still can get thru via dcc? |
| 03:21.40 | Gorbulas | and the firewall should probable block dcc |
| 03:21.56 | pickcoder | it depends |
| 03:22.04 | pickcoder | are you running a socks proxy for traffic monitoring? |
| 03:22.21 | jiunshyong | nope |
| 03:22.27 | jiunshyong | am running pfsense |
| 03:22.31 | pickcoder | what ports are allowed in? |
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| 03:23.03 | jiunshyong | web access + imap + smtp |
| 03:23.25 | streuner | PiousMinion: sounds you are using a DE (GNOME, KDE), right? |
| 03:23.25 | Gorbulas | PiousMinion: on Debian PPC Kismet recommends something that requires Qt, so it shouldn't want to install Qt unless you are installing the recommended packages. it's probably safe it ignore the dependancy or fake that you've installed Qt |
| 03:23.32 | pickcoder | it should be fairly safe if DCC is blocked |
| 03:23.38 | jiunshyong | ok |
| 03:23.43 | pickcoder | employees wasting time chatting is another story |
| 03:23.53 | jiunshyong | :) |
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| 03:24.07 | jiunshyong | could we just block dcc instead of blocking irc outright? |
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| 03:24.19 | jiunshyong | is freenode network safer than dalnet? |
| 03:24.24 | pickcoder | irc will work if you are NAT'ing outgoing traffic |
| 03:24.27 | PiousMinion | streuner: using xfce4 |
| 03:24.37 | Gorbulas | jiunshyong: dcc is an incoming connection so it should be blocked already iirc |
| 03:24.47 | jiunshyong | yups |
| 03:24.54 | pickcoder | DCC connections will not work if web/imap/smtp are the only connections allowed in |
| 03:25.09 | jiunshyong | ok thanks guys for the advice |
| 03:25.12 | PiousMinion | Gorbulas: how would I 'fake" that I've installed QT ? |
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| 03:25.59 | Gorbulas | I don't know if you can do it with apt. alternatively it might work if you forbid installing Qt |
| 03:27.24 | tnks | I'm confused why aptitude doesn't uninstall linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 when the dependencies for linux-image-2.6-686 moves to linux-image-2.6.25-2-686. |
| 03:27.36 | Gorbulas | have you tried --without-recommends? |
| 03:27.40 | tnks | I mean, I like what it does. . . leaving the 2.6.24 kernel. |
| 03:28.05 | Gorbulas | I can't test it since I already have Qt4 |
| 03:28.06 | tnks | but it's counterintuitive to how I thought aptitude worked. |
| 03:28.09 | jiunshyong | anyone here am on freenode from inside company network? |
| 03:28.12 | pickcoder | tnks: what if you are running 2.6.24 and 2.6.25 has a bug in a module for a nic you're using? |
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| 03:28.29 | pickcoder | poof.. 2.6.24 is gone |
| 03:28.42 | tnks | pickcoder: I'm not debating the semantic of the installation. . . I'm just trying to understand the package management system. |
| 03:28.54 | pickcoder | that is a core component.. |
| 03:28.55 | PiousMinion | Gorbulas: --without-recommends is not a valid argument. |
| 03:29.05 | pickcoder | I'd rather not have a piece of software determine if it should be removed or not |
| 03:29.07 | Gorbulas | on aptitude it is |
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| 03:29.24 | pickcoder | that happened to me once already when upgrading from Sarge |
| 03:29.27 | pickcoder | ;) |
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| 03:29.39 | tnks | pickcoder: right, but I've set up aptitude to removed unused dependencies. |
| 03:29.46 | tnks | but it didn't do that for the kernel. |
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| 03:30.27 | PiousMinion | Gorbulas: I'll be damned. idk why that worked. apt reccomends stuff all the time, but I normally have to tell it to install them. |
| 03:30.35 | tnks | I'm thinking: a) I don't actually have aptitude set up the way I thought I did. . . or b) somehow the kernel-image package are set up special. |
| 03:30.53 | tnks | for b), I'm definitely interesting in how it's done from a packaging perspective. |
| 03:31.35 | wols | how is a kernel a unused dependency? |
| 03:32.02 | pickcoder | wols: it would be if it wasn't in menu.lst.. <g> |
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| 03:32.13 | wols | the trouble with removing kernels is: what if the new one doesn't work? |
| 03:32.22 | pickcoder | <- just went there already |
| 03:32.41 | wols | menu.lst is not a dependency |
| 03:32.41 | tnks | wols: I'm not saying it "should" be done. . . what I'm saying is, I'm wondering what's preventing it from being removed. |
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| 03:32.48 | pickcoder | besides.. it's a bad idea to remove the currently running kernel |
| 03:33.09 | tnks | aptitude lists the package as "A", meaning pulled in by dependency. |
| 03:33.22 | pickcoder | wols: what I meant by that was.. if it's not in the boot list then it's not being used |
| 03:33.23 | tnks | normally, when it's no longer required, these kinds of things are automtically removed. |
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| 03:35.12 | pickcoder | tnks: what higher level package has it as a dependency to trigger an automatic removal? |
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| 03:35.36 | draeath | Is there any way to create DVD-DL install media? |
| 03:35.41 | tnks | pickcoder: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:35.50 | DogBoy | what does that DL mean |
| 03:36.02 | pickcoder | what has that as a dependency? do you see where I'm going here? |
| 03:36.10 | Gorbulas | dual layer |
| 03:36.16 | DogBoy | ah |
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| 03:36.25 | DogBoy | I been seeing that and now it seems obvious |
| 03:36.27 | tnks | pickcoder: nothing, linux-image-2.6-686 is what I pulled in myself. |
| 03:36.50 | draeath | If not, no biggie. Was just curious. |
| 03:37.12 | DogBoy | draeath, of course there is |
| 03:37.25 | DogBoy | not that I know the answer |
| 03:37.49 | draeath | heh |
| 03:37.57 | draeath | I assume there is, but I bet it would have a lot of hand-editing |
| 03:38.02 | DogBoy | I've seen them for dl |
| 03:38.51 | draeath | lenny is "due" for september right? |
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| 03:41.05 | pickcoder | draeath: did you try wodim? |
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| 03:42.58 | PiousMinion | running iceweasel from a thumb drive is a lot faster when you replace the Cache folder with a symlink to /dev/null :P |
| 03:43.48 | draeath | pickcoder: I don't need help burning the disc, I would need help figuring out how to put the disc together |
| 03:44.25 | draeath | but I was just checking for an easy answer, just dealing with 3 DVD+Rs is quicker than doing a DVD-DL the hard way |
| 03:45.07 | tnks | is apt-get autoremove independent from aptitude's ability to do the same thing? |
| 03:45.16 | tnks | I think aptitude had this feature first, and then apt-get caught up. |
| 03:45.40 | tnks | but I don't know if they use different backends to record what packages were automatically pulled in by dependency. |
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| 03:48.41 | chovy | can someone recommend a good webmin-like pkg? |
| 03:48.55 | newsense | !webmin |
| 03:48.55 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 03:49.26 | DogBoy | that's not a very informative message |
| 03:49.34 | newsense | i like it |
| 03:49.45 | DogBoy | it doesn't say anything substantive |
| 03:49.55 | draeath | webmin is fine. as long as it only accepts connections from a known-safe host that you must SSH tunnel to. |
| 03:50.02 | newsense | its reality |
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| 03:50.15 | DogBoy | reality or not it's not informative |
| 03:50.28 | draeath | Anyways, the question was for something webmin-/like/? |
| 03:50.49 | newsense | unsecure/like |
| 03:51.04 | draeath | Just as unsecure as SSH-ing in and editing config files? |
| 03:51.24 | draeath | It's just an interface to admin stuff. Protect it like you would any other. |
| 03:52.07 | newsense | im not here tofight , you have a right to your opinion |
| 03:52.10 | chovy | heh |
| 03:52.17 | DogBoy | well ya |
| 03:52.22 | DogBoy | that's all that factoid is |
| 03:52.35 | DogBoy | I'd expect a little more being it's a factoid |
| 03:52.40 | jiunshyong | could anyone hack into internal company network protected by firewall via irc (users chatting via irc) if the firewall only allows incoming web, smtp n imap ? |
| 03:52.42 | jiunshyong | thks |
| 03:52.51 | chovy | i am moving to a VPS and figure I'll my easy GUI for adding domains, email addresses, etc. |
| 03:53.05 | Nyle | hey |
| 03:53.20 | draeath | jiunshyong: if the IRC client has a problem, yes |
| 03:53.32 | jiunshyong | does pidgin client safe? |
| 03:53.34 | draeath | IE, someone impersonates a message from the server that is too long, and overflows a buffer in the client |
| 03:53.43 | tnks | I guess I was trying to see if from a CLI perspective, is aptitude obsolete? |
| 03:53.55 | tnks | I rarely use it as a GUI. |
| 03:53.57 | jiunshyong | meaning, is it best to outlaw irc from company networks? |
| 03:54.00 | Nyle | I burned a cd on my dad's vista machine, with pictures only in the root no subfolders, I closed session also. Now I try to mount it inside debian and I get errors that /dev/cdrom has erros and I should dmesg |tail or something |
| 03:54.04 | Nyle | what gives? |
| 03:54.14 | Nyle | this cd I tested in another windows xp machine, I could view the pics |
| 03:54.18 | Nyle | please advise. |
| 03:54.29 | draeath | jiunshyong: it should be safe, just make sure DCC and CTCP are blocked |
| 03:54.41 | jiunshyong | draeath what's CCTP? |
| 03:54.50 | draeath | Client-To-Client-Protocol |
| 03:55.00 | Nyle | you mean |
| 03:55.02 | Nyle | CTCP? |
| 03:55.06 | Nyle | :) |
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| 03:55.15 | jiunshyong | draeath: do i need to specifically block DCC n CCTP when i only allow smtp, imap n incoming mail? |
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| 03:55.51 | draeath | jiunshyong: Configure the client to ignore DCC/CTCP requests basically. What it does is use the existing connection to the IRC server to set up a direct connection between two (or more?) users |
| 03:56.00 | draeath | jiunshyong: possibility to bypass a normal firewall |
| 03:56.25 | draeath | jiunshyong: or watch for packets containing such data and drop em |
| 03:56.33 | draeath | IRC is a cleartext protocol, so that should be doable also |
| 03:56.51 | jiunshyong | draeath: what's doable |
| 03:57.01 | draeath | jiunshyong: but to answer your question, Pidgin is probably SAFER than using MSN or AIM, etc |
| 03:57.15 | jiunshyong | i mean using pidgin as irc client |
| 03:57.19 | draeath | jiunshyong: setting up a firewall to drop DCC/CTCP stuff |
| 03:57.25 | wols | !tell Nyle about errors |
| 03:57.27 | draeath | Yea, pidgin should be ok |
| 03:57.41 | Chocobo | Would someone mind taking a look at the output of my dmesg? I am getting some strange sr0 block errors. http://pastebin.org/51448 (they are near the bottom) |
| 03:57.44 | draeath | just make sure people keep it fairly up-to-date |
| 03:57.46 | jiunshyong | ok thks draeath |
| 03:57.57 | Nyle | sorry |
| 03:57.59 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/11227/ |
| 03:58.01 | Nyle | here you go |
| 03:58.13 | jiunshyong | draeath: thinks most people will use mirc client on their windows pc |
| 03:58.23 | Nyle | ls -l /dev/cdrom == /dev/scd0 |
| 03:58.28 | Nyle | dunno if it matters |
| 03:59.24 | Nyle | I could view the cd in xp and vista (I burned it on a vista machine, and closed session) |
| 03:59.32 | wols | Nyle: you burnt a DVD? |
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| 03:59.45 | draeath | jiunshyong: dont know much about mirc except its closed. |
| 03:59.52 | Nyle | er.. |
| 03:59.58 | draeath | shoot, |
| 04:00.00 | Nyle | wols, hang on man let memake sure wtf i burned hehe |
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| 04:00.10 | Nyle | wols, CD-R |
| 04:00.22 | tubbybastard6122 | hello all |
| 04:00.32 | wols | try file -s /dev/scd0 |
| 04:00.48 | wols | Nyle: it looks like a bad filesyste one way or another |
| 04:01.03 | wols | I'd also try to mount with -t auto |
| 04:01.07 | tubbybastard6122 | anyone here willing to help with minicom? |
| 04:01.08 | Nyle | /dev/scd0: data |
| 04:01.16 | Nyle | wols, ok |
| 04:01.31 | wols | Nyle: that sounds very discouarging, that "data" |
| 04:01.38 | wols | !tell tubbybastard6122 about ask |
| 04:01.40 | Nyle | hmm |
| 04:01.48 | Nyle | wols, no luck with auto |
| 04:01.54 | draeath | tubbybastard6122: no, we all hate minicom ;) |
| 04:01.57 | tubbybastard6122 | thanks wols |
| 04:02.02 | Nyle | I don't have a windows pc handy atm :( |
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| 04:02.12 | Nyle | I know i tested it in xp it shows up, and in vista |
| 04:02.22 | Nyle | fucking microsoft bullshit I bet something fuckedit up in vista burning |
| 04:02.29 | tubbybastard6122 | I am attempting to use minicom to connect to an iPaq which I've begun to |
| 04:02.40 | draeath | Nyle: you dont get ANYTHING from the disc? |
| 04:02.46 | draeath | Did you close the session? |
| 04:02.47 | Nyle | draeath, can't even mount it |
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| 04:02.50 | Nyle | i did |
| 04:02.51 | tubbybastard6122 | load the familiar linux distro on |
| 04:03.08 | draeath | Nyle: what error do you get on mount? |
| 04:03.08 | Nyle | i specifically did close the session, and vista said, its good, now you can view the disc on other computers |
| 04:03.10 | tubbybastard6122 | and I am getting no serial connectivity at all |
| 04:03.16 | Nyle | I figured that means it closed the session |
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| 04:03.23 | Nyle | then i tested on the cd on xp pc, and it worked fine |
| 04:03.35 | draeath | what do you get when you try to mount? |
| 04:03.50 | Nyle | draeath, draeath http://paste.debian.net/11228/ |
| 04:03.51 | n-iCe | hello which version do I have to download if i have a AMD turion64x2 ? |
| 04:03.52 | Nyle | oops |
| 04:03.53 | amphi | if file says 'data, not much |
| 04:04.02 | Nyle | n-iCe, amd64 |
| 04:04.06 | n-iCe | the amd64 version or the ia64 ? |
| 04:04.13 | tubbybastard6122 | draeath: is there a better option or is this a "serial is dead" kind of thing |
| 04:04.14 | Nyle | ia64 == no no |
| 04:04.14 | n-iCe | Nyle: the i368 won't work? |
| 04:04.18 | Nyle | n-iCe, sure it will |
| 04:04.26 | Nyle | amphi, hey buddy |
| 04:04.33 | Nyle | so i'll wait til i go to work tomorrow |
| 04:04.39 | Nyle | I'll test the cd on windows |
| 04:05.02 | draeath | tubbybastard6122: minicom would be the way to do it. But if it helps, 'setserial' sets up the port and you can access the port from /dev/ttyS# |
| 04:05.03 | n-iCe | Nyle: it didn't i did the boot and is not running it |
| 04:05.07 | Nyle | i got vista and xp there, hopefully it works, if not, i'll have my brother upload em or something... which will be tough cuz none of my family members knows anything about compueters |
| 04:05.12 | draeath | tubbybastard6122: ive used it a FEW times |
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| 04:05.17 | draeath | tubbybastard6122: but its been a while... |
| 04:05.24 | Nyle | n-iCe, it should, I think amd64 cpus can use i386 kernel |
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| 04:05.38 | hybridiZed | im logged into a box via shell, how do i message someone using the X/KDE session? - (the same box as what the person is using X/KDE) |
| 04:05.39 | n-iCe | Nyle: should I download the amd64 and try? |
| 04:05.40 | draeath | Nyle: n-iCe: yes, amd64 cpus can run i386 |
| 04:05.42 | Nyle | turion 64 shouyld be able to run it |
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| 04:06.32 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 04:06.39 | micky | hybridiZed try #kde :) |
| 04:06.41 | Lagbolt | hmm disreguard wrong window |
| 04:06.42 | Nyle | man |
| 04:06.46 | tubbybastard6122 | thanks draeath |
| 04:06.49 | Nyle | I really wanted to upload the pics to the gallery tonight :( |
| 04:06.50 | Nyle | damit |
| 04:07.03 | n-iCe | Nyle: to run the i368 version? |
| 04:07.03 | Nyle | wants to beat the crap outta vista |
| 04:07.15 | Nyle | n-iCe, I'm sorry? |
| 04:07.20 | draeath | tubbybastard6122: http://openmaniak.com/minicom.php |
| 04:07.24 | draeath | tubbybastard6122: that might help? |
| 04:07.31 | Nyle | draeath, wols thanks for help |
| 04:07.33 | draeath | Nyle: dont be so quick to blame vista |
| 04:07.43 | n-iCe | Nyle: amd turion should be able to run the i368 debian cd? |
| 04:07.50 | Nyle | n-iCe, yessir |
| 04:07.54 | draeath | Nyle: what do you get when you try to mount it, and do you get anything from `dmesg | tail`? |
| 04:08.00 | Nyle | draeath, http://paste.debian.net/11228/ |
| 04:08.03 | draeath | n-iCe: yes |
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| 04:08.18 | n-iCe | weird it ran etch, but not lenny, wtf? |
| 04:08.32 | draeath | Nyle: anything in dmesg? |
| 04:08.35 | Nyle | draeath, http://paste.debian.net/11229/ |
| 04:09.06 | draeath | looks like a bad burn |
| 04:09.16 | draeath | is this on hardware that reads it in windows? |
| 04:09.20 | Nyle | but the cd worked in xp after i tested on vista |
| 04:09.31 | Nyle | i works on windows afaik |
| 04:09.32 | draeath | on the same machine, with the same drive? |
| 04:09.37 | Nyle | no |
| 04:09.43 | draeath | ahah. |
| 04:09.57 | draeath | It might be a poor burn, and this drive is just not sensetive enough to read it |
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| 04:10.00 | Nyle | machine A == vista, which i burned it on, works fine. machine 2 == xp, tested it there, works fine. machine 3 == linux == here I am |
| 04:10.04 | draeath | Are you familiar with how CD-Rs work? |
| 04:10.14 | Lagbolt | Nyle, dont suppose you have a windows VM around ? |
| 04:10.16 | Nyle | not upto speed on all the technicalilties |
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| 04:10.22 | draeath | ok, here's my theory: |
| 04:10.38 | Nyle | Lagbolt, I have a x64 xp pro installed but its broken i think, everytime I try to boot it it fucks up |
| 04:10.42 | draeath | the disc was bad or the burn was bad, the end result is the data is 'faded' on the disc (think of a light photocopy) |
| 04:10.46 | Nyle | I have a miniPE cd, maybe I could boot that and try |
| 04:10.52 | Lagbolt | Nyle, :( arg |
| 04:10.56 | Nyle | draeath, ahhh |
| 04:10.58 | Nyle | draeath, I see |
| 04:11.00 | draeath | the vista and XP machines drives are sensetive enough to read it, or can work the reed-solomon error correction enough to coax it. |
| 04:11.13 | draeath | where the drive you have has a dirty lense, isn't as sensetive, is cheaper, etc |
| 04:11.14 | Nyle | draeath, I have another drive, let me try |
| 04:11.19 | draeath | Try cleaning the lense? |
| 04:11.50 | Nyle | crap its not even hooked up |
| 04:11.57 | Nyle | i'll try this on a brand new dell I got at work |
| 04:12.08 | Nyle | it should work, if not, I'll have my brother upload the pics |
| 04:12.32 | Nyle | thanks guys |
| 04:12.36 | draeath | Nyle wait |
| 04:12.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:12.42 | Nyle | waiting |
| 04:12.50 | Nyle | my optical drives are old |
| 04:12.51 | draeath | Keep that disc in the dark as much as possible. Avoid sunlight or bright UV |
| 04:12.53 | Nyle | I shoulda put this on my ipod |
| 04:12.59 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:13.09 | draeath | if it is faded, the UV exposure from that might kill it the rest of the way |
| 04:13.27 | draeath | high heat too |
| 04:13.32 | micky | what`s the name of the module-assistant package that contains the ncurses based frontend for module-assistant ? |
| 04:13.40 | draeath | Nyle: if you are ever bored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R |
| 04:13.44 | Nyle | draeath, ok |
| 04:13.46 | Nyle | thank you |
| 04:13.59 | draeath | Good luck |
| 04:14.03 | Nyle | draeath, what if the session wasn't closed properly? |
| 04:14.08 | Nyle | how would that affect this? |
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| 04:14.40 | draeath | You shouldnt be able to read on teh XP machine... but could be the cause |
| 04:14.51 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:14.53 | draeath | when you close the session, the lead-out data is stored as well as teh Table of Contents |
| 04:14.58 | Nyle | I hope i didn't pick up the wrong cd from the stack! |
| 04:15.08 | draeath | if that didnt happen, it might be reading from the disc and just run out of data! |
| 04:15.12 | micky | module-assistant ncurses based frontent package anyone ? or is it another app ? |
| 04:15.22 | Nyle | micky, i never knew it had a front end |
| 04:15.33 | draeath | Nyle: do you see anything on the disc? you should be able to see the border between written (closer the center) and unwritten (outer) |
| 04:15.38 | Nyle | yes |
| 04:15.40 | Nyle | its brightly burned |
| 04:15.46 | Nyle | less than about halfway |
| 04:15.52 | draeath | brightly? |
| 04:15.53 | Nyle | its visible |
| 04:15.56 | Nyle | is what i mean |
| 04:16.02 | draeath | Does it look solid or have a sparkle etc? |
| 04:16.11 | draeath | (the burned part should NOT have any visible pattern) |
| 04:16.20 | Nyle | looks like any normal burned cd |
| 04:16.24 | Nyle | nope |
| 04:16.26 | Nyle | looks ok tome |
| 04:16.42 | draeath | hmmm |
| 04:16.50 | Nyle | don't worry about it bro |
| 04:16.52 | draeath | clean your CD laser or try another drive |
| 04:16.53 | Nyle | you've helped enough |
| 04:16.59 | draeath | my gut says its not the disc |
| 04:17.00 | Nyle | fuck it i'll try it at work |
| 04:17.01 | Nyle | its not gonna work |
| 04:17.03 | draeath | Heh |
| 04:17.04 | Nyle | we both kknow it |
| 04:17.05 | micky | Nyle i presume you burned the image ( opened the image in a cd burning app and burned it and NOT made a Data cd like with anything else you would write on a cd) |
| 04:17.05 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:17.12 | Nyle | its probaby the drive |
| 04:17.14 | Nyle | whatever |
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| 04:17.20 | Nyle | its late and im jet lagged |
| 04:17.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:17.23 | draeath | micky: he would still have a filesystem to read if he burned the ISO as a file |
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| 04:17.37 | draeath | micky: he has buffer read errors in dmesg and mount fails |
| 04:17.48 | micky | draeath yep unless the image had crc errors from bad downloading |
| 04:17.48 | Nyle | its not image |
| 04:17.56 | Nyle | I burned pictures from the camera directly to the cd |
| 04:18.02 | Nyle | took 33 minutes in total for 90 pics |
| 04:18.07 | Nyle | 1.2mb each |
| 04:18.12 | draeath | micky: also the disc works in two other machines (one XP, one vista) |
| 04:18.22 | draeath | micky: i vote touchy drive or dirty laser |
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| 04:18.30 | Nyle | you think Xray could fuck up discs |
| 04:18.31 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:18.35 | Nyle | (airport security)? |
| 04:18.36 | draeath | Nah |
| 04:18.38 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:18.44 | micky | Xray = no chance |
| 04:18.45 | micky | :) |
| 04:18.48 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:18.59 | draeath | if it high-exposure enough, you wouldn't be talking to us now ;) |
| 04:19.14 | Nyle | I think I might have found another person to help with the localization of di in urdu |
| 04:19.20 | Nyle | lets hope he can commit |
| 04:19.27 | micky | Nyle get another optic unit ( cd / dvd drive ) in your sistem and check that |
| 04:19.35 | Nyle | micky, i'll take the cd to work tomorrow |
| 04:19.43 | Nyle | I got 5 brand new dells there dual booted with lenny |
| 04:19.47 | Nyle | and xp/vista etc. etc. |
| 04:20.04 | Tweak1029 | Does anybody know why Debian might refuse to cooperate with my wireless card? My onboard ethernet card got fried in a thunderstorm, so I put my wireless card (ray link 2500 iirc) in it, and now it doesn't work. |
| 04:20.17 | Nyle | raylink? |
| 04:20.18 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:20.20 | draeath | micky: am I the only one who thinks cleaning the laser is a good first-effort? |
| 04:20.23 | Nyle | is it a pci or usb card? |
| 04:20.32 | Tweak1029 | pci |
| 04:20.36 | Nyle | so try lspci or lsusb and put the id string in google |
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| 04:20.47 | Nyle | see what driver you need for this wifi card |
| 04:20.54 | Nyle | also /msg dpkg hcl |
| 04:21.03 | Nyle | go to kmuto webstie and paste the output of lcpci there |
| 04:21.14 | Tweak1029 | Hmm... Maybe I should take this to the forums... |
| 04:21.22 | Nyle | why? |
| 04:21.25 | Tweak1029 | I'd have to reboot to the debian partition. |
| 04:21.31 | Nyle | i see |
| 04:21.40 | micky | draeath i for one throw the damn drives in a box when they start having issues.. cleaning laser heads usually is pointless |
| 04:21.40 | Nyle | well why don't you google raylink 2500 debian etc. etc. |
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| 04:21.54 | Nyle | micky, its 30 fucking dollars a pice man |
| 04:21.57 | Nyle | 25 or 20 een |
| 04:21.59 | Nyle | even* |
| 04:22.04 | Nyle | i just buy new shit |
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| 04:22.18 | Nyle | do what you do |
| 04:22.25 | micky | Nyle yeah i know .. i do the same but i've got a freaking stack of them lying around |
| 04:22.31 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:22.32 | Tweak1029 | Tried it... I found the driver for it, packaged and source, and neither would let me use the ralink, I simply couldn't find anything about it even existing. |
| 04:22.44 | Nyle | !ralink |
| 04:22.44 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. RT2800: <rt2800>. |
| 04:22.55 | micky | !madwifi |
| 04:22.55 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 04:23.04 | Nyle | mad? |
| 04:23.10 | Nyle | nm |
| 04:23.10 | draeath | micky: really? Wow, I bet you throw out computers that overhead instead of dusting out the fans! (really, you should clean the laser as normal hardware maintenance) |
| 04:23.18 | draeath | overhead -> overheat |
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| 04:23.31 | Nyle | draeath, those I clean :) |
| 04:23.32 | micky | draeath no i dont throw them out :) |
| 04:23.50 | draeath | heh, its the same thing really. dust collects on the laser just like anything else |
| 04:23.57 | micky | draeath at least not the p2 or higher models |
| 04:24.01 | Nyle | yeh |
| 04:24.02 | draeath | lol |
| 04:24.07 | Nyle | but how do you get to the laser inside the dvd rom drive |
| 04:24.11 | Nyle | you wantme to open it up? |
| 04:24.15 | Nyle | whats the matter with you |
| 04:24.19 | Nyle | its not worth my time |
| 04:24.23 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:24.35 | micky | Nyle you need a special cleaning CD to clean that or a screwdriver to open it :) |
| 04:24.36 | tnks | okay, so for anyone that remember's my original query. . . I did a little digging and I found the answer to why some packages aren't autoremoved by "apt-get autoremove" or aptitude. |
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| 04:24.45 | tnks | the key was a file called /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove |
| 04:24.45 | Nyle | special cd? |
| 04:25.03 | tnks | that sets APT:NeverAutoRemove |
| 04:25.08 | micky | Nyle yep .. it`s a normal empty cd with a small brush in the middle |
| 04:25.11 | Nyle | micky, what makes it special? I think I have heard of what you're saying, back in the day my dad got VHS head cleaning tape |
| 04:25.12 | draeath | Nyle: you know, they make these fancy CDs that have a little brush on them |
| 04:25.22 | Nyle | it was made of like a thick wiping ting tape thingy |
| 04:25.34 | Nyle | draeath, oh a buffer for the head |
| 04:25.38 | Nyle | ohh ok |
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| 04:25.56 | draeath | Nyle: those were less effective than CD cleaners (tapes read magnetically, not optically. I don't think dust blocks magnetism? |
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| 04:26.14 | draeath | Yea. The brush wipes the laser clean. Some come with a cleaning fluid too |
| 04:26.24 | Nyle | draeath, no in vcr's dust and grime buildup cuases staticy lines across |
| 04:26.35 | Nyle | so you have to get a slcohol swab or cotton qtip and try to clean the head |
| 04:26.36 | draeath | Others have little copper things that are supposed to demagnitize the lense, but Im not sure how glass/plastic gets magnetized to begin with? |
| 04:26.36 | micky | draeath only in high quantities that would jam the magnetic head :) |
| 04:26.39 | dondelelcaro | draeath: dust can be charged, so yes. |
| 04:26.40 | Nyle | get the black stuff off ot it |
| 04:26.50 | dondelelcaro | draeath: and so does glass and plastic; |
| 04:27.13 | draeath | hrm. Even still, how does an electrically charged lense effect the infrared beam? |
| 04:27.27 | Nyle | he was talking about vhs+dust |
| 04:27.28 | draeath | Anyways, point is you need to clean it once in a while |
| 04:27.29 | Nyle | not cdrom |
| 04:28.00 | draeath | And yea, theres nothing wrong with opening the drive to clean it by hand, as long as your careful and perceptive. Done it a bunch of times. |
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| 04:28.10 | dondelelcaro | you generally shouldn't have to clean the lens unless it's really dusty or you leave the door open |
| 04:28.30 | infotron | poor drive suffers from second hand smoke |
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| 04:29.04 | dondelelcaro | uh... smoking around computer equipment is all kinds of bad |
| 04:29.12 | Nyle | I don't smoke |
| 04:29.19 | Nyle | neither pot nor cigs |
| 04:29.30 | Nyle | i used to smoke pot in the room maybe that fucked it up |
| 04:29.36 | Nyle | long time ago though |
| 04:29.52 | infotron | yeah, last week or something |
| 04:29.52 | draeath | I've seen ORANGE dust caked in a PC once. Some kind of smoke... |
| 04:29.53 | Nyle | I've had this system for 2 years and is smoked for 1.5 years in the same room |
| 04:30.27 | Nyle | draeath, me too! |
| 04:30.28 | draeath | Nyle: that might do it. Just like it builds up on the walls, colors plastics... it will effect your lense. |
| 04:30.37 | Nyle | draeath, i see |
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| 04:30.44 | draeath | Get a lense cleaner with some kind of fluid cleaner |
| 04:30.46 | Nyle | i guess i should try to buy a cleaner cd special |
| 04:30.52 | Nyle | thingy |
| 04:30.57 | draeath | or play doctor with some high-proof rubbing alcohol and Q-tips |
| 04:31.06 | Nyle | or that |
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| 04:31.13 | draeath | make sure you wash the lense after with distilled water (the alcohol will otherwise leave a residue) |
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| 04:31.19 | infotron | tosses it in the washing machine ;) |
| 04:31.23 | draeath | also, make sure the alcohol dried before rinsing, otherwise you get white crap all over it |
| 04:31.32 | Nyle | ##hardware |
| 04:31.45 | draeath | looks around, shocked that everyone is staring at him funny |
| 04:32.00 | Nyle | its alright, it just seemed a bit going ot :) |
| 04:32.02 | Nyle | no biggy |
| 04:32.31 | Nyle | so its definitely the disc huh? |
| 04:32.44 | Nyle | or hardware related? you don't suppose its os related in anyway? |
| 04:32.48 | draeath | Nah |
| 04:32.50 | Nyle | I don't how it would be, but... i don't know much |
| 04:32.54 | Nyle | +see |
| 04:32.55 | draeath | i say drive, then disc |
| 04:33.00 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:33.06 | draeath | only because two other machines read it |
| 04:33.18 | draeath | If you didn't have that, I would blame the disc |
| 04:33.24 | Nyle | yeh |
| 04:33.45 | Nyle | i specifically tested the cd on xp just to see if it would work, cuz the backup is on the vista pc in louisiana |
| 04:33.49 | Nyle | and im back in NYC now |
| 04:34.04 | Nyle | so i wanted to make sure |
| 04:34.37 | Nyle | plus there is a backup on the camera's sd card...which i also forgot in the pc CRAP! my dads gonna be looking for it in his camera or whatever |
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| 04:34.40 | Nyle | crap |
| 04:35.05 | infotron | !flush Nyle |
| 04:35.12 | Nyle | infotron, /ignore works better |
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| 04:35.25 | infotron | but flush could be more fun. |
| 04:35.36 | Nyle | btw |
| 04:35.38 | draeath | Well, tell him where it is and to buy another. When you return (soon?) he can return it to the store ;) |
| 04:35.47 | Nyle | I went to my bro's graduation in louisiana |
| 04:35.58 | Nyle | i met this one guy at the party and he is a debian user in baton rouge |
| 04:36.03 | Nyle | i never met another debian guy in louisiana |
| 04:36.19 | draeath | I've never met another debian guy. Anywhere. But I don't get out much. |
| 04:36.20 | Nyle | that was cool, he is also paksitani and i kinda talked him into helpingme localize the d-i in my language |
| 04:36.26 | draeath | Everyones all fawning over *buntu |
| 04:36.34 | Nyle | hopefully he will help |
| 04:37.00 | Nyle | man i been on this localization project for years |
| 04:37.14 | Nyle | and nothing is getting done, always some shit happens, I can't seem to commit the time I need |
| 04:37.20 | Nyle | but there isn't nobody else doing it |
| 04:37.28 | Nyle | :( |
| 04:37.40 | Nyle | i mean Urdu is a widely spoken language |
| 04:38.03 | draeath | Urdu? May I kindly ask WTH that comes from? |
| 04:38.45 | Nyle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdu |
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| 04:39.29 | Nyle | Standard Urdu has approximately the twentieth largest population of native speakers |
| 04:39.40 | draeath | ohg |
| 04:40.22 | draeath | I hate it when languages have their own word, rather than the region/country of origin (say Mandarin Chinese, i know EXACTLY what you are talking about). |
| 04:40.40 | Nyle | now you know :) |
| 04:41.21 | Nyle | urdu is a form of hindustani |
| 04:41.21 | diveli | draeath: like 'English' in America... Australia... New Zealand? :) |
| 04:41.25 | draeath | diveli: origin from England |
| 04:41.38 | micky | hmm any ideas why lenny`s madwifi suddenly decided to create wlan0 instead of ath0 ? |
| 04:41.42 | diveli | :) |
| 04:41.45 | draeath | ;) |
| 04:42.00 | draeath | micky: yes, wlan0 is the 'master' that other interfaces in various modes (like ath0) come from |
| 04:42.10 | DogBoy | is urdu what punjabi's speak or |
| 04:42.23 | draeath | micky: ill have a link for you in a second |
| 04:42.23 | micky | draeath nope wifi0 is the actual card.. wlan0 seems to be the virtual one |
| 04:42.36 | draeath | ah. well, i think the name is arbitrary |
| 04:42.40 | zwox | hi |
| 04:42.57 | draeath | ath0 is less 'generic' than wlan0 |
| 04:43.14 | draeath | just like everyone uses eth0 instead of like BSD, where you have si0, ri0 etc |
| 04:43.38 | draeath | just makes the convention a bit more useful |
| 04:43.41 | zwox | maybe i'd better ask on #xorg but ... anyway ... if no one knows i will ... |
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| 04:44.41 | draeath | micky: named by class/type rather than the specific device |
| 04:45.00 | micky | draeath yeah that seems ok with me but changing it`s default interface name breaks all madwifi scripts :) |
| 04:45.02 | zwox | xorg and session manager starts well without any error, and when i try to restart x ( no matter the way ) it hangs up an xorg use 90% of the core |
| 04:45.20 | zwox | so no need to say it does not restart |
| 04:45.24 | micky | draeath no matter.. wlanconfig destroy wlan0 / wlanconfig create ath0 and i'm done :) |
| 04:45.28 | draeath | micky: indeed... but your in lenny right? Theres a reason its testing! (report it yet?) |
| 04:45.37 | zwox | i have no error in the logs |
| 04:45.45 | micky | draeath yep :) will do |
| 04:45.48 | draeath | either they revert the rename, or patch the madwifi packages |
| 04:45.53 | zwox | and it worked when i tried from another distro |
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| 04:46.19 | zwox | does someone have an idea on where should I/can I look ??? |
| 04:46.24 | zwox | i'm giving up ... |
| 04:47.06 | draeath | sounds like a race condition or something... |
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| 04:49.44 | zwox | i think the graphic card's memory register are not reinitialized properlyand so on |
| 04:50.38 | zwox | i'm using an ati radon graphic |
| 04:50.52 | zwox | an old one on an old vaio laptop |
| 04:51.03 | micky | zwox try using the vesa driver and check if the "hang" happens |
| 04:51.54 | micky | zwox also if you`re using XF86 try x.org |
| 04:52.02 | micky | zwox or vice versa |
| 04:52.22 | zwox | micky: why did I not though of that ? XD, i'm using Xorg, with free ati radeon drivers |
| 04:52.42 | micky | zwox :) |
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| 04:53.08 | zwox | micky: i will test with vesa, i should have start from there ... |
| 04:53.10 | micky | zwox try vesa drivers first and if they`re ok then get the drivers from ati |
| 04:53.30 | micky | zwox if all fail try XF86 |
| 04:53.51 | zwox | i think fglrx does not support M6 LY |
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| 04:54.26 | micky | zwox ati`s driver website could tell you if they do |
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| 04:54.44 | zwox | but if there is only some lines to recode in the free driver ... i will ... but if someone already fix this, or know where the problem come from, he could save a lot of my time |
| 04:55.23 | micky | zwox try asking in #linux also |
| 04:55.57 | micky | zwox and pastebin your xorg / kde or gnome logs |
| 04:56.12 | micky | or whatever WM you use :) |
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| 04:56.42 | zwox | wdm + xfce |
| 04:56.58 | zwox | but i already tried different ones, kdm gdm etc |
| 04:57.08 | zwox | startx too |
| 04:57.08 | micky | zwox then their logs.. any of them could contain some indication to the actual problem |
| 04:57.30 | Maliuta | xfce is the shite |
| 04:57.37 | zwox | and cat the log |
| 04:57.56 | Maliuta | pity I can't get it to play nicely with compiz/beryl |
| 04:59.13 | zwox | Maliuta i first tried to use fluxbox, but compiz can't run onto it so when i've find out my graphic hardware was capable, i wanted to try compiz |
| 04:59.51 | zwox | but it's an old laptop so i didn't want to install heavy packages like kde or gnome etc |
| 05:00.37 | zwox | thanks micky i will have a look on the wm log too |
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| 05:10.59 | zwox | i just tried restart with a config file using vesa, it does not restart, but Xorg didn't use more than 10% of the core |
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| 05:15.08 | zwox | was the same, xorg doesn't restart properly |
| 05:16.01 | zwox | also ctrl+alt+bspace does absolutely nothing ... :S |
| 05:16.59 | zwox | well, i should get some sleep, everything works well but that... so all i have to do is not to restart X ... XD |
| 05:17.19 | zwox | thanks guys, i'll let you know when i'll have found out |
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| 05:20.23 | lovetron | gromozekin sudo -i |
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| 05:20.48 | pyguyy | hi |
| 05:21.14 | infotron | high |
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| 05:23.35 | dread | I reinstalled lenny today, and now when I boot when I get to 'Uncompressing linux..OK, booting the kernel' Then 'Please wait...' The booting hangs. This happened once before, and all I had to do was restore the mbr and reinstall. But I did that the first time, and now after the second install it's still happening. Does anyone know why this is happening? The partition is a ReiserFS partition if that |
| 05:23.35 | dread | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:26.49 | superfirelord42 | dread.. are you on the computer and is it dual boot? |
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| 05:27.55 | DogBoy | what kind of drive is it dread |
| 05:27.57 | dread | yes |
| 05:28.07 | dread | hmm...not sure hold on |
| 05:28.14 | DogBoy | ide, sata |
| 05:28.31 | dread | ide |
| 05:28.51 | DogBoy | I had that problem |
| 05:29.07 | dread | I've had this problem before, I had to restore the mbr with my windows restoration disk |
| 05:29.16 | dread | then had to reinstall and it was fine |
| 05:29.16 | superfirelord42 | dread: can you get on an alternate computer? so that we can talk and have you do stuff at the same time? |
| 05:29.39 | dread | not right now, it's 1:30 |
| 05:29.44 | superfirelord42 | what i want to have you do, is alter the boot so it is more verbose so we see what it was doing when it hung... |
| 05:29.46 | DogBoy | heh |
| 05:30.05 | superfirelord42 | ah... you must be more west than me, its 12:30 here... |
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| 05:30.23 | DogBoy | more east? |
| 05:30.38 | dread | michigan |
| 05:30.40 | superfirelord42 | DogBoy: ok, i may be directionally challanged... |
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| 05:31.10 | superfirelord42 | michigan is to the west of here i think... |
| 05:31.24 | dread | where are you? NY? |
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| 05:31.42 | superfirelord42 | anyways, dread, do you use grub or lilo? |
| 05:31.45 | superfirelord42 | Texas |
| 05:32.30 | dread | from texas i'm east, and grub, lilo doesn't seem to work at all with my computer |
| 05:33.07 | DogBoy | what is the line in grub for the boot drive |
| 05:33.34 | superfirelord42 | DogBoy: can he even access hte file from windows? |
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| 05:33.53 | dread | um, idk because I can't boot it :p |
| 05:34.14 | Isil`Zha | hallo. is there any known issue using the i386 version on a 64bit system? |
| 05:34.25 | DogBoy | do you get as far as the grub menu dread |
| 05:34.45 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: i think it should work, just may not work as fast... |
| 05:34.48 | dread | yeah, I get to uncompressing linux, ok botting the kernel, please wait |
| 05:34.59 | DogBoy | so you can choose to edit the line |
| 05:35.04 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: i seriously doubt its reccommended... |
| 05:35.05 | DogBoy | then you can view it |
| 05:35.09 | DogBoy | root=/dev/sda2 |
| 05:35.14 | DogBoy | something like that |
| 05:35.56 | DogBoy | when I had the trouble like that I read somewhere it had to do with sata drivers I think |
| 05:35.56 | superfirelord42 | DogBoy: i wish he was on another machine, if we removed the quiet command it we could get him to give us hte last 5 lines before it hung... |
| 05:36.26 | DogBoy | if I edited it from like hda to sda it quit hanging |
| 05:36.49 | dread | I can reboot and check if you want |
| 05:36.52 | DogBoy | you can try that in grub |
| 05:37.02 | superfirelord42 | dread: can you try to edit in grub |
| 05:37.07 | superfirelord42 | what i need you to do |
| 05:37.07 | infotron | growls at ssh/x forwarding interaction + vserver |
| 05:37.24 | superfirelord42 | is remove quiet from the command line going to the kernel... and copy down the commands passed to it... |
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| 05:37.42 | dread | alright, how do I do that? |
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| 05:37.56 | superfirelord42 | one sec... |
| 05:38.13 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: i see. i have a 64bit installation here already and i suspect some essential programs having problems with this environment so i rather would like to try a 32bit environment. what would you think are the shrotcomings if i did that? |
| 05:38.36 | superfirelord42 | what programs? |
| 05:38.54 | lovetron | was the same, xorg doesn't restart properly.. also ctrl+alt+bspace does absolutely nothing... :S.. well, i should get some sleep, everything works well but that... so all i have to do is not to restart X... XD.. thanks guys, i'll let you know when i'll have found out |
| 05:39.21 | superfirelord42 | dread: my browser has died a bit, DogBoy, do you think you can help find a site to tell him how to edit grub commands? |
| 05:39.36 | superfirelord42 | or tell him instructions yourself? |
| 05:39.38 | DogBoy | it tells you on the grub menu |
| 05:39.50 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: either apache or php. or it might be something more sophisticated incolving that but not being caused by it. basically i experience very strange bugs on a web application which seems to run fine anywhere but in my environment. it |
| 05:39.52 | DogBoy | I would try changing hda to sda and like that |
| 05:39.56 | dread | press e I think? |
| 05:40.00 | Isil`Zha | it's a shot in the blue though... |
| 05:40.04 | DogBoy | I guess, I forget |
| 05:40.34 | DogBoy | dread, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=310130 |
| 05:40.54 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: is the web app a common app, or a company app? |
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| 05:41.34 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: company |
| 05:41.35 | dread | ok, I'll reboot and try out changing hda to sda |
| 05:41.43 | dread | I'll be back in a few minutes |
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| 05:42.27 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: ok, so you are running php and appache, mysql? |
| 05:42.43 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: yes |
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| 05:44.11 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: i have to admit though that my current 64bit environemnt isn't debian. it's gentoo. but if i'm already switching i wouldn't want a third switch just ahead of me. |
| 05:44.22 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: hold on then, im looking up some info... |
| 05:44.30 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: so i hope i'm playing safer using the 32bit version? |
| 05:45.28 | superfirelord42 | hmmm... have you checked #gentoo to see if they have any known issues with apache php and mysql on a 64 bit env? |
| 05:46.15 | superfirelord42 | http://www.nabble.com/Bug-476415:-apache2-(SSL-)-x64-segfault-td16726783.html |
| 05:46.34 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: im checking to see the new version, if it has changed... |
| 05:46.56 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: ok thanks |
| 05:48.26 | Isil`Zha | it's not crashing or anything. it just seems to loose data in a way that's fairly hard to replicate |
| 05:49.33 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: but it does tell me that there are known problems... so i will search a little more to see if there is a better way to do this in a 64 bit env.... |
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| 05:51.17 | Gm4n | how can I tell which drive in a raid1 pair is being rebuilt? /proc/mdstat doesn't make much sense to me |
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| 05:52.18 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: do you have any strtotime() calls in your php code? there is a known php bug with that... |
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| 05:52.30 | dread | that worked superfirelord |
| 05:52.36 | dread | thanks for the help |
| 05:53.06 | superfirelord42 | dread: changing sda to hda? |
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| 05:53.10 | superfirelord42 | or vice versa? |
| 05:53.16 | dread | hda to sda |
| 05:53.20 | superfirelord42 | that would be DogBoy, thank him... |
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| 05:53.36 | DogBoy | hehe |
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| 05:53.41 | dread | oh, then thanks DogBoy |
| 05:53.43 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: i"ll check that. give me a minute please |
| 05:53.48 | superfirelord42 | ok... |
| 05:54.05 | DogBoy | I figured it would |
| 05:54.16 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: yes there are |
| 05:55.20 | superfirelord42 | DogBoy: yeah, i just realized, i had the same problem a bit back with it... |
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| 05:55.49 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: anotehr concern i have is about java. it |
| 05:56.12 | Isil`Zha | it doesn't seem to be running as well on 64bit yet as it does on 32 |
| 05:56.15 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: http://www.joestump.net/2005/03/running-apachemysqlphp-on-debian-amd64.html... appears there is a glitch with that where it returns sometimes very strange data... a workaround is provided |
| 05:56.24 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: ill check java, hold on... |
| 05:56.48 | DogBoy | I guess the installer uses a different driver superfirelord42 |
| 05:57.29 | superfirelord42 | DogBoy: or it could have used the 2.4 kernel, and the system used a 2.6... thats where the change came i belive... |
| 05:58.17 | DogBoy | something goofy anyway |
| 05:58.31 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: http://mrtextminer.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/installation-of-jdk160_04-x64-on-debian-etch-amd64/ |
| 05:59.19 | lovetron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.59 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: a variation on that should also work on your gentoo... |
| 06:00.18 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: i didn't expect installation problems. rather that it would well... just run less efficient. memory and speed wise. but i might be wrong there |
| 06:00.36 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: concerning java i mean to say |
| 06:01.16 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: supposibly, if sun coded the interperator right, it should actually run better... however, i do not know... let me see if i can find some benchmarks |
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| 06:02.19 | Gm4n | when mdstat says resyncing, is it going from [0] to [1] or from [1] to [0]? |
| 06:02.59 | superfirelord42 | Isil`Zha: according to suns site, they do tailor the calls for x64... |
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| 06:03.19 | lovetron | use eselect |
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| 06:04.52 | Isil`Zha | superfirelord42: i see. i'll see if what you found solves the problem. else a 64bit version seems to be the better choice actually. thanks a lot for your help! |
| 06:05.50 | superfirelord42 | no problem... |
| 06:07.14 | kingsley | In which log file, if any, is an entry placed when "not clean" ext3 file systems are recovered from their journals? |
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| 06:08.45 | iateadonut | kingsley, are you from africa? |
| 06:09.10 | kingsley | iateadonut: No. |
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| 06:17.04 | Mitsui_Sam | does anybody has saw this error in qmail+vpopmail: -ERR aack, child crashed |
| 06:18.01 | iateadonut | <has anyone seen...> |
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| 06:19.29 | Mitsui_Sam | iateadonut, sorry for my bad english |
| 06:19.49 | Mitsui_Sam | I really need to sleep, but I can't cause the email server is out |
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| 06:24.32 | iateadonut | no need to apologize. i was just correcting you out of habit. it's only 3:30pm in Japan - why do you need to sleep. |
| 06:26.07 | superfirelord42 | hehe, probably because he is near my time zone... 2 am.... |
| 06:26.13 | Mitsui_Sam | here is 03:26 am |
| 06:26.26 | infotron | 12:25am here |
| 06:26.30 | infotron | !time |
| 06:26.31 | dpkg | well, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.07.15 6:26:31, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 06:30.21 | lovetron | think I type too fast for the people who have it working, what DNS provider.. |
| 06:30.47 | lovetron | I thought for sure Chris would bite on that.. |
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| 06:33.33 | Mitsui_Sam | vchkpw: user does not exist :( |
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| 06:39.12 | slump | hi. i have blacklisted ssb modules (echo ssb >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist). I ran update-initramfs -uv but it stills show that it's adding the ssb module. any idea? |
| 06:39.35 | H2S04 | beer o'clock!?! |
| 06:39.37 | H2S04 | where |
| 06:40.09 | jelly-home | slump: take a look at the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist; your syntax is incorrect |
| 06:40.14 | superfirelord42 | !beer |
| 06:40.15 | dpkg | methinks beer is liquid gold mate |
| 06:40.34 | slump | jelly-home: sorry. i put blacklist ssb inside |
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| 06:41.05 | jelly-home | well, so much for that theory |
| 06:41.41 | slump | Adding module /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/ssb/ssb.ko |
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| 06:41.54 | slump | :/ |
| 06:42.21 | lovetron | according to suns site, they do tailor the calls for x64... |
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| 06:42.59 | superfirelord42 | lovetron: yup, i noticed that earlier.... found they actually started doing that in 5.0... if i didnt missread |
| 06:43.06 | et | what is the "canonical" way to edit what is started at the various runlevels? |
| 06:43.39 | jelly-home | et: update-rc.d |
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| 06:45.28 | et | the update-rc.d man page tells me not to use it ;) but it also tells me alternatives, thanks |
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| 06:47.02 | slump | jelly-home: i could do "rmmod ssb; rmmod ndiswrapper; modprobe ndiswrapper" but i want to remove the ssb module from initrd instead. |
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| 06:48.51 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use skype ? |
| 06:49.16 | superfirelord42 | yeah, i have before |
| 06:49.18 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, i have used skype |
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| 06:49.25 | superfirelord42 | it works on debian last time i checked.. |
| 06:49.30 | TiMiDo | damn apt is getting annoying I'm having an error. with Perl. something |
| 06:49.33 | Lagbolt | yeah works great |
| 06:49.35 | TiMiDo | i'll pastebin it right now. |
| 06:49.37 | TiMiDo | i wonder why |
| 06:50.15 | batcoder-7 | how many calls can you have on hold do you know ? |
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| 06:59.24 | Mitsui_Sam | does anybody could help with this qmail error: Aack,_child_crashed._(#4.3.0) |
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| 07:01.11 | iateadonut | mitsui, that's pretty esoteric. google has a few answers, but very few. |
| 07:02.06 | Mitsui_Sam | iateadonut, I know, I'm asking here cause I really don't now what to do |
| 07:02.27 | Mitsui_Sam | results in google didn't helped |
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| 07:04.01 | Mitsui_Sam | it start to happen after a apt-get upgrade :( |
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| 07:06.17 | iateadonut | i think you better go to bed. |
| 07:06.17 | Mitsui_Sam | iateadonut, I can't |
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| 07:06.22 | Mitsui_Sam | i few hours the phone will start to ring |
| 07:06.29 | Mitsui_Sam | lots of complain |
| 07:06.47 | iateadonut | do you have the config files? maybe you have to reinstall. |
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| 07:07.14 | iateadonut | because you've been looking for hours. |
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| 07:08.53 | Mitsui_Sam | I have abou 2hours to solve this problem :( |
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| 07:10.05 | infotron | what's changed? |
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| 07:10.58 | infotron | a one line error message doesn't give us much to go on. |
| 07:11.52 | TiMiDo | http://www.pastebin.ca/1072122 anyone can help me out? |
| 07:12.21 | Mitsui_Sam | infotron, after apt-get upgrade my mail system stoped to authenticate (pop and imap) |
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| 07:12.51 | Mitsui_Sam | mails are been delivered, but I can't access mail boxes |
| 07:12.56 | lovetron | i could do "rmmod ssb; rmmod ndiswrapper; modprobe ndiswrapper" but i want to remove the ssb module from initrd instead. |
| 07:13.30 | Mitsui_Sam | when I try ao auth using telnet localhost 100 I can see the following in log vchkpw-webmail: vpopmail user not found account@domain:127.0.0.1 |
| 07:13.52 | Mitsui_Sam | it seens like it can't access the mysql database |
| 07:13.54 | infotron | do you have backups to comare with? |
| 07:13.57 | Mitsui_Sam | but no more clues |
| 07:14.02 | Mitsui_Sam | no |
| 07:14.04 | Mitsui_Sam | :( |
| 07:14.04 | infotron | compare* |
| 07:14.13 | infotron | and you have paying customers relying on this? |
| 07:14.14 | Mitsui_Sam | but I have another server working |
| 07:14.28 | Mitsui_Sam | not exactly |
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| 07:14.44 | n-iCe | Nyle: still here? |
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| 07:15.05 | Mitsui_Sam | infotron, I have another server that use the same configuration |
| 07:15.23 | infotron | Mitsui_Sam: can you check the mysql database manually to see if any of these accounts in question are there? |
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| 07:15.51 | Mitsui_Sam | infotron, the account I'm using for testes is my personal account |
| 07:16.08 | infotron | how does that address my last question? |
| 07:16.33 | Mitsui_Sam | infotron, i have doble checked mysql accounts |
| 07:17.00 | Mitsui_Sam | infotron, my account still there, with the right password |
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| 07:17.35 | infotron | you might want to enable mysql logging of queries. it's more system intensive, but it'll show exactly what the mysql client (the webmail/pop3 server) is asking it for |
| 07:18.49 | Mitsui_Sam | infotron, these logs are enabled |
| 07:19.07 | infotron | did you examine them? |
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| 07:19.34 | Mitsui_Sam | wait a second |
| 07:20.15 | Sebboh | I booted a live CD and I'm having trouble mounting my logical volumes. I can see them, for example in the output of lvs, but, there aren't devices like /dev/mapper/blahblah, so I don't know how to mount them. What do I do? |
| 07:21.04 | infotron | Sebboh: google "LVM2 howto" covers common tasks. I have to do the same thing when accessing external harddisks with lvm. |
| 07:21.22 | infotron | anyway, good luck ye'all. it's 2h past my target time for sleep. zzzZZzzz |
| 07:21.54 | Mitsui_Sam | infotron, thanks |
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| 07:22.04 | Mitsui_Sam | the problem is with mysql connection |
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| 07:23.24 | turneralex | How can i mount a fibre channel array in debian? |
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| 07:23.50 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 07:23.57 | tengulre | which package contain openssl-devel information? |
| 07:24.01 | n-iCe | what should I do if debian doesn't detect deven my ethernet interface? |
| 07:24.02 | n-iCe | :| |
| 07:24.07 | ronr | is it possible to configure a debian server to use multiple ldap servers for pam / nsswitch (ie. if account not found in ldap 1, check ldap 2)? |
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| 07:24.29 | Sebboh | tengulre, apt-cache search lib openssl dev |
| 07:25.00 | Sebboh | there should only be a few hits to that query. The one you want starts with lib and ends with dev. =p |
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| 07:25.51 | Sebboh | n-iCe, well, you can boot off of different installation media that has more drivers. |
| 07:26.40 | Sebboh | n-iCe, but.. I think even the business-card CD of D-I has like, all the drivers.. =P What kinda nic are you working with here? |
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| 07:28.26 | Alarm | goodmorning. i have downloaded firefox 3 on my debian system but i got a small problem with jre. I got java6 on my system installed, and till now i did not have any problem with java applets on websites with iceweasel. |
| 07:28.56 | n-iCe | Sebboh: lenny debian amd |
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| 07:28.57 | Alarm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.03 | n-iCe | Sebboh: and is not getting my ethernet card :< |
| 07:29.23 | n-iCe | is a hp dv9000 |
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| 07:31.00 | TiMiDo | http://www.pastebin.ca/1072122 anyone can help me out? |
| 07:31.05 | TiMiDo | with this error? |
| 07:31.12 | milligan_ | On my gnome desktop, wine has created a link to a program I have installed. If I press the link, the program appears to start, but then just dies. If I edit the meny, copy the exact startupcommand and run it from console manually, it works fine. What could be wrong ? |
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| 07:33.43 | Sebboh | Alarm, go into the java control panel. advanced tab. find the applet section.. uncheck mozilla. hit apply. Recheck mozilla, hit Ok. Oh, exit mozilla before you try this.. |
| 07:34.26 | Sebboh | milligan_, perhaps a difference in environment variables? |
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| 07:34.49 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi ..what do I have to insert into my virtualhost so that index.php is executed before index.html |
| 07:34.51 | Gorbulas | Aaron: I've seen something like that before. I had to reinstall something |
| 07:35.29 | Alarm | Sebboh, in the command to launch default browser (advance tab), i choose there the firefox bin ? |
| 07:35.41 | Dewi | sysadmin-lb22: You need to amend DirectoryIndex |
| 07:35.58 | Dewi | sysadmin-lb22: which is a series of index filenames |
| 07:36.06 | Sebboh | n-iCe, maybe your card requires an additional package that isn't available by default due to license issues.. Google up broadcom firmware linux? |
| 07:36.31 | Sebboh | Alarm, no. That's different. Look under applet. |
| 07:36.51 | Aaron | Gorbulas, like? |
| 07:36.52 | Alarm | there is nothing with "applet" in the advance tab |
| 07:37.29 | Sebboh | Alarm, sorry, "java plugin". |
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| 07:37.59 | Sebboh | .. der, don't listen to me, it's "Default Java for Browsers" . :) |
| 07:38.00 | Alarm | there are 4 tabs in the control panel : general, java, security, advanced |
| 07:38.15 | Alarm | on the java tab there is Java applet runtime settings (where my jre is chosen) |
| 07:38.15 | Sebboh | advanced, "Default java for browsers", "mozilla" |
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| 07:38.36 | Alarm | and java application runtime settings , where my jre is chosen again |
| 07:38.44 | Sebboh | Sorry, the layout of the control panel must have changed with some recent update to 6. ;) Are you using update 10? |
| 07:38.46 | Gorbulas | Aaron: it might have been scroll keeper. I don't remember |
| 07:39.23 | Aaron | I'm installing debian |
| 07:39.26 | Aaron | and see if it works |
| 07:39.57 | Alarm | i am using java6 |
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| 07:41.24 | Alarm | ok fixed it |
| 07:41.29 | Alarm | added a link in the plugin folder |
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| 07:42.41 | vlt | Hello. Is there a way to control network traffic on user based rules? Can I permit users to send IP packets to certain hosts or devices? |
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| 07:43.46 | turneralex | How do i mount a FC array in deb? |
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| 07:44.20 | zoli2k | Hi. I m testing some kernel hacks on 2.6.17 vanilla kernel. Is lenny or etch able to run on 2.6.17? |
| 07:45.04 | miksuh | vlt: firewall? |
| 07:45.23 | steven_ | vlt there is |
| 07:45.40 | BadQuanta | hrm.. in debian, things installed w/ gem do not seem to automaticly exist in the path.. |
| 07:45.45 | Gorbulas | zoli2k: both should run on it if you install the kernel yourself |
| 07:45.54 | steven_ | vlt: there is an iptables module you can configure up by application as well i can't remember what the netfilter module is though :) |
| 07:46.16 | steven_ | but it exists :) |
| 07:46.36 | vlt | steven_: Thank you. I'll try to find it in the iptables man page ... |
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| 07:46.45 | steven_ | the firewall will have to be local to the box you want to firewall though or you have to use ident which is useless and not very secure |
| 07:46.48 | Aaron | http://www.pastebin.ca/1072122 anyone can help me out? |
| 07:46.56 | Aaron | i wonder why |
| 07:47.05 | zoli2k | Gorbulas: thx |
| 07:47.20 | miksuh | vlt: try nufw |
| 07:47.27 | miksuh | it's in debian repository |
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| 07:48.29 | roe__ | I have a machine that returns "name" when I run hostname, but from the terminal and in syslog it is using a different name |
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| 07:48.59 | laitment | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 07:49.28 | miksuh | vlt: nufw is a per-user firewalling daemon |
| 07:49.31 | steven_ | laitment: wikipedia split-personality |
| 07:50.18 | roe_ | didn't realize I had to session of xchat running |
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| 07:51.33 | Clodomiro | hola buenas |
| 07:51.43 | Aaron | !tel clif4d about debian-es |
| 07:51.50 | Aaron | any help please? |
| 07:52.08 | milligan_ | Sebboh, what kind of variables might that be? I don't set any when I open the console. |
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| 07:52.56 | vlt | miksuh: Thanks. Running another daemon to "authenticate" packets sounds a bit overkill ... maybe I'll find the iptables module ... |
| 07:53.05 | [ShapeShifter] | hi |
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| 07:53.34 | Aaron | http://www.pastebin.ca/1072122 anyone can help me out? |
| 07:54.03 | harshad | I'm having trouble installing MySQL-5.0, this is what I get ( http://dpaste.com/65024/ ) where should I look for further clues? |
| 07:54.18 | Sebboh | milligan, your desktop environment might be setting some. Or, it might not be setting some.. Here's a poorman's way to check: copy the shortcut menu item thing. Modify it to write your environment to a file. Compare the file to the environment your shell has. A better way to check: doesn't Wine keep logs? |
| 07:54.46 | [ShapeShifter] | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 07:54.53 | cr3 | hi |
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| 07:55.08 | [ShapeShifter] | harshad, you should look at the mysql log |
| 07:55.18 | Aaron | Gorbulas, any ideas? |
| 07:55.22 | [ShapeShifter] | and find out what error is going on |
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| 07:55.52 | roe_ | anyone know a good ntp server package? |
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| 07:56.12 | Gorbulas | Aaron: the problem is up at the top where docbook |
| 07:56.13 | harshad | [ShapeShifter]: Will do so... |
| 07:56.26 | cr3 | where to add 'xset' options? if i use fluxbox? .xsession or .fluxbox/startup |
| 07:56.28 | cr3 | ? |
| 07:56.32 | Gorbulas | -xml fails with an update-xmlcatalog error |
| 07:56.39 | BadQuanta | Is there something analagous to /etc/profile.d in debian? |
| 07:56.42 | cr3 | can i rename .xsession to .xinitrc? |
| 07:56.48 | miksuh | roe_: try ntp :) |
| 07:56.50 | Aaron | then what can i do Gorbulas i cannot seem to figured out the damn proble |
| 07:56.51 | Aaron | m |
| 07:56.52 | [ShapeShifter] | harshad, it would be the first thing I would do :) |
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| 08:01.05 | roe_ | miksuh, thanks, I should have checked that first |
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| 08:05.25 | abbe | is getting "EXT3-fs error (device sda8): ext3_readdir: directory #3221421 contains a hole at offset 20480" |
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| 08:07.28 | abbe | is running debian etch kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 08:08.24 | abbe | sorry I got disconnected. |
| 08:08.26 | abbe | any ideas what should I do ? |
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| 08:09.19 | wols | abbe: make a backup if you still can and fsck |
| 08:09.32 | abbe | wols: I already fsck-ed |
| 08:09.48 | wols | what partition is it? |
| 08:09.53 | abbe | wols: root |
| 08:09.55 | wols | is it / ? |
| 08:10.03 | abbe | wols: yes |
| 08:10.12 | wols | did you fsck while on a live cd? |
| 08:10.30 | abbe | wols: nop, i fsck-ed at startup, without -a or -p |
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| 08:10.49 | wols | remount it read only if it already isn't and then fsck |
| 08:11.02 | abbe | wols: it is already mounted read-only |
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| 08:12.41 | ddalton | Apparently I need to use iso-8859-1 in my locales for speech-dispatcher. how do I enable iso-8859-1 in debian? |
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| 08:13.07 | abbe | wols: is there anyway, I can figure out if hdd is bad ? |
| 08:13.33 | wols | ddalton: is 8859-1 available? |
| 08:13.47 | wols | !tell ddalton about locales |
| 08:13.54 | wols | abbe: smartmontools |
| 08:14.09 | abbe | wols: I'm already running smart --test=long |
| 08:14.16 | abbe | wols: s/smart/smartctl/ |
| 08:14.22 | wols | agood |
| 08:14.28 | ddalton | wols: I dunno, someone just told me. |
| 08:14.46 | wols | ddalton: and dpkg just told you how to add and set it |
| 08:15.05 | wols | setting the locale is a simple environment variable |
| 08:15.09 | abbe | wols: but the one shipped with debian is old, so I'm using statically built from my gentoo box |
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| 08:17.30 | streuner | !gentoosmite abbe |
| 08:17.31 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling abbe, and when it's all done, abbe runs 0.9% faster than previously |
| 08:17.57 | abbe | streuner: heh :) |
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| 08:26.11 | nelf | Where do I add extra parameters for mysql server startup? |
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| 08:27.29 | teamcobra | I'm having the strangest time with my new lenny amd64 server, it boots fine when a monitor cable is hooked up, but when it runs headless, something stops it from booting (and when I plug in a monitor at that point, I get out of sync range errors on the monitor) |
| 08:29.34 | liable | bios? |
| 08:30.02 | [ShapeShifter] | halt on... ? |
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| 08:30.07 | teamcobra | nope, haven't had the problem w/ any other distro |
| 08:30.22 | teamcobra | that's the funny part... the server is 6months old, just the lenny install that's new |
| 08:31.00 | liable | try setting up netconsole on it. if it gets to interface configuring befor it fails, you might catch it |
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| 08:31.51 | teamcobra | it doesn't :/ |
| 08:32.09 | teamcobra | if by netconsole you mean ssh |
| 08:32.15 | Sebboh | teamcobra, can you disable the video adapter in bios? |
| 08:32.21 | liable | no, i mean netconsole |
| 08:32.26 | teamcobra | pinging it returns destination host unreachable |
| 08:32.32 | teamcobra | oh, will check |
| 08:33.06 | teamcobra | sebboh: it's integrated.... if I disable it it's never coming back (I don't think you can even disable it unless a pcie graphics card is installed) |
| 08:33.25 | teamcobra | and even then it isn't totally disabled, just chooses the pcie card first |
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| 08:34.47 | Sebboh | teamcobra, well, assuming that you have the option to do so, disabling an onboard video card doesn't permanetly kill it, FYI. :) It's still available if you hit the bios setup key real quick at startup--I mean, they thought of that. :) |
| 08:34.59 | Aaron | http://www.pastebin.ca/1072122 anyone can help me out? |
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| 08:35.07 | Aaron | any ideas? |
| 08:35.19 | teamcobra | sebboh: heh, possibly, it _is_ an ecs board though... don't give too much credit |
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| 08:36.14 | wols | teamcobra: set up a serial console and check where it stops |
| 08:36.27 | Aaron | wols, can you help me with that error? |
| 08:36.30 | Aaron | if is possible? |
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| 08:37.38 | ecraven | hello ;) |
| 08:37.52 | ecraven | how can i pass options to configure, if i make a package with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:38.11 | et | ecraven: edit the rules script |
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| 08:38.45 | et | dpkg: tell ecraven about package recompile |
| 08:38.58 | Aaron | et can you help me? |
| 08:39.23 | wols | Aaron: update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered |
| 08:39.34 | Aaron | wols, how can i fixed it though? |
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| 08:40.07 | et | Aaron: if you describe your error in the channel instead of pasting a url, it's more likely that someone will help |
| 08:40.15 | wols | Aaron: check the postinst script |
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| 08:40.20 | Aaron | wols, how? |
| 08:40.24 | Aaron | I'm new into this, |
| 08:40.33 | Aaron | i update it to lenny and my system was freaking out, |
| 08:40.34 | wols | I doN't do XML |
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| 08:40.44 | wols | Aaron: when you are new you are not supposed to run lenny |
| 08:41.04 | Aaron | scrollkeeper-update: deferring update until scrollkeeper is configured |
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| 08:42.41 | Aaron | how do i fixed that? |
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| 08:49.40 | Aaron | damn |
| 08:49.44 | Aaron | i need so freaking help |
| 08:49.45 | Aaron | badly |
| 08:49.55 | dondelelcaro | Aaron: what about it? |
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| 08:53.30 | k0p | hi all |
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| 08:54.43 | k0p | I'm developer of a project and I already make a package to debian. well it's works on it..works in ubuntu too. but I would like to know how put it in the queue to add to debian repositories. What I can do? |
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| 08:56.07 | peppe | k0p: become a debian developer, or look for a sponsorship (mentors.debian.net) |
| 08:56.27 | dondelelcaro | k0p: file a RFS on debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 08:56.32 | et | k0p: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html |
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| 08:56.56 | peppe | k0p: "this is debiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" >:-P |
| 08:57.01 | dondelelcaro | you don't need to become a DD; in fact, you won't (generally speaking) until after you've packaged a few things |
| 08:57.05 | k0p | yeah dude I know :D |
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| 08:57.18 | k0p | thaks a lot for your help |
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| 08:58.07 | k0p | dondelelcaro, yeah of course. but I already make the debian folder and it looks fine |
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| 08:58.18 | k0p | now I need to upload it :) |
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| 08:58.59 | dondelelcaro | k0p: you can't upload it; a sponsor will do that for you after determining that the packaging is proper |
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| 08:59.25 | roe_ | it seems ever since I upgraded to iceweasel3 changes to my bookmarks (adding, deleting,moving) are not saving to my profile |
| 08:59.30 | k0p | dondelelcaro, but I need to upload debian folder right? |
| 08:59.34 | dondelelcaro | k0p: no |
| 08:59.38 | k0p | hmm |
| 08:59.47 | dondelelcaro | k0p: you don't upload anything; the sponsor does that for you |
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| 09:00.02 | k0p | so .. what I need it's request a sponsor? |
| 09:00.13 | dondelelcaro | k0p: yes, that's what an RFS is (request for sponsor) |
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| 09:00.24 | k0p | oh :O |
| 09:00.34 | k0p | yeah now I understand. |
| 09:00.45 | dondelelcaro | k0p: you should also have filed an ITP (intent to package) bug against the wnpp psuedo-package (work-needing and prospective packages) |
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| 09:01.38 | dondelelcaro | (esp. since most sponsors won't sponsor packages without it; I know I won't) |
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| 09:01.50 | dondelelcaro | (though I rarely have time to sponsor packags) |
| 09:02.39 | k0p | hmm yeah... the wnpp it's like bug request need-packing? |
| 09:03.36 | themill | k0p: /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 09:04.02 | dondelelcaro | k0p: it's a pseudopackage to which bugs are assigned; bugs that have various different things that need doing go there |
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| 09:04.31 | k0p | yeah |
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| 09:10.31 | Wesley_ | Is there an easy way splitting the tables inside a .sql dump file? |
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| 09:11.11 | k0p | dondelelcaro, the subject of email to send to mailing list is e.g. "Umit needs packing" or need to be specific message? |
| 09:11.28 | NoxIn | Wesley_: Grep ? |
| 09:12.00 | NoxIn | Wesley_: but you will have all the insert for a table ... but not the table structure |
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| 09:12.12 | Wesley_ | That's ok aswell |
| 09:12.37 | Wesley_ | im trying to use grep but not sure how exactly.. hard to find using google how this works afor a sql dump |
| 09:12.59 | NoxIn | then something like for i in table1 table2 table3 ... ; do grep $i sqldump > dump_$i.sql ; done |
| 09:13.19 | ttl- | hi |
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| 09:13.26 | Wesley_ | im sure more people had this problem.. any specific key words to use when google'ing? |
| 09:14.06 | NoxIn | Wesley_: for this sort of problem the best way is not to reate a huge sqldump file to begin for :) |
| 09:14.21 | Wesley_ | I noticed.. but it's too late to change that back now |
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| 09:14.59 | Wesley_ | I tried to wrote a php script with "Table structure for table" greping but not working :/ |
| 09:15.06 | ttl- | I'm running lenny and when i put a modeline generated with xvidtune in my xorg.conf it has no effect. Is there somewhere else to look these days? |
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| 09:15.43 | NoxIn | Wesley_: you have the database online ? or you have only the dump ? |
| 09:16.02 | Wesley_ | something went wrong with the live database |
| 09:16.09 | Wesley_ | so im trying to restore that table |
| 09:16.16 | Wesley_ | which is inside a 5gb .sql dump |
| 09:16.40 | NoxIn | if it's only a table then you can cut and paste the table def |
| 09:16.49 | NoxIn | and then grep to have to inserts |
| 09:17.15 | Wesley_ | it contains the whole database and all the tables |
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| 09:17.40 | Wesley_ | I know I should be able to do this with grep/awk etc.. just.. don't know how. i'm willing to read all about it just.. not finding much I can work with |
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| 09:18.43 | ronr | legal gpl licensing question: if I use one of dia's xsl's that transform my UML to code, and the XSL is GPL licensed, is the generated code considered derived work? ie. must it also be licensed GPL? |
| 09:18.49 | Wesley_ | Oh.. grep sql.dump |grep table seems to work |
| 09:19.43 | NoxIn | Wesley_: ok ... first you get the table definition from the live database (if you still have it) then ... you extract the "insert into table ..." lines from your dumpfil like this : "grep table_name sql.dump | grep -i insert > table_name.sql" |
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| 09:25.27 | JustSoul | Hello, is it possible to make it easier: |
| 09:25.27 | JustSoul | if [ "$(SomeCommand &> /dev/null; echo $?)" != "0" ]; then.... |
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| 09:26.44 | wols | JustSoul: #bash |
| 09:27.36 | peppe | justin: of course, if SomeCommand &> /dev/null; then |
| 09:27.43 | peppe | hem, JustSoul, sorry |
| 09:27.49 | RoyalKnight | why does ln -sf not overwrite existing links? tried it on different machines (etch, sarge) |
| 09:28.10 | JustSoul | peppe: thx |
| 09:28.34 | peppe | JustSoul: read how the bash if statement works. and perhaps &> is a bashism, so don't use it |
| 09:29.35 | JustSoul | peppe: thx again =) |
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| 09:41.08 | JustSoul | peppe: hm.. Is it right? |
| 09:41.08 | JustSoul | if ! SomeCommand > /dev/null 2>&1; then .. |
| 09:41.35 | Aaron | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 09:41.40 | Aaron | how do i fixed that problem? |
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| 09:41.50 | peppe | Aaron: "run apt-get update" |
| 09:42.07 | Aaron | i did peppe |
| 09:42.08 | Aaron | same error |
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| 09:42.20 | Aaron | i think i need to download the gpg |
| 09:42.23 | peppe | Aaron: wait a bit, maybe servers are updating their package lists :) |
| 09:42.33 | peppe | JustSoul: why not? |
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| 09:46.12 | JustSoul | peppe: grammar correctly |
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| 09:53.09 | SQLDb | ugh. I installed compiz, and, now, in gnome, my... oh, what do you call them, the bars at the top and bottom of the screen... They're gone (you know, one had the alert area, and a bunch of menus, etc) |
| 09:53.14 | SQLDb | any ideas on how to get them back? |
| 09:53.41 | nevyn | panels |
| 09:53.56 | et | window decorations are still there? |
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| 09:54.55 | SQLDb | ugh, sorry, minimizing was a bad idea with no bars :/ |
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| 10:01.26 | saulus | hello. Im writing a script, that uses aptituge to install packages. Is there a way to dont use dpkg-post-install? Im configuring those packages with my script already. |
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| 10:06.09 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:06.09 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
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| 10:19.02 | fantomas | Hi all. Does anybody use centerim 4.22 from backports? Have you multichat working? |
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| 10:20.31 | DexterF | hi |
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| 10:21.20 | tview | I have pinned nvidia-glx and xserver-xorg to the "unstable" (173) versions. When I reinstall nvidia-glx from a console after boot I can then start gdm with all the bells and whistles of the nvidia binary. But when I reboot gdm refuses to start. If I then reinstall nvidia-glx again I can then manually start it just fine. Where would I start to debug this? I can only assume the boot is loading the wrong nvidia module. Where do I look? Any |
| 10:21.20 | tview | ideas greatfully received. |
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| 10:22.05 | wols | tview: what debian version? |
| 10:22.07 | nouga | Hi Folks ! it's not a troll please ! |
| 10:22.16 | Blackhold | hello |
| 10:22.20 | liable | hmm |
| 10:22.22 | Blackhold | could some one help me please? |
| 10:22.25 | Blackhold | I'm looking for a program that indexes all the files from a dir, and also read inside odf, pdf, doc, xls, ... files, and show a web form to search the files, for more fast searches it should use mysql or some database, do you know something like this? |
| 10:22.46 | tview | wols: Lenny. I googled up how to do it the "debian way" and followed the instructions. I was told I needed to pin to the unstable versions for now. |
| 10:23.32 | nouga | for nvidia 8400 on Lenny-i86_64, for the driver, best use .run from Nvidia or lenny pkgs ? |
| 10:23.50 | tview | wols: as we speak I am running nvidia-glx fine (manually starting gdm after a reinstall of nvidia-glx). |
| 10:23.52 | DexterF | installed lenny in a virtual machine yesterday. went the full 9 yards and created three scsi disks and installed to lvm on a softraid 5. all went fine apart from LILO. that one borked with exit status 1 trying to install to /dev/md0. 1.: what's wrong here? 2.: why LILO anyway? thought grub can handle raid/lvm |
| 10:24.23 | liable | grub cant to /boot on lvm iirc |
| 10:24.31 | liable | s/to/do/ |
| 10:25.44 | nouga | tview: works fine ? need kernel headers ? |
| 10:26.10 | wols | nouga: there is no lenny package. you backport from sid. if you use nvidiacom packages, we will not support you |
| 10:26.14 | tview | nouga: please. Its nothing to do with headers. Its a module loading issue. |
| 10:26.28 | wols | tview: add the nvidia module to /etc/modules |
| 10:26.45 | tview | wols: does the install not do that? |
| 10:26.59 | tview | wols: do I need to be more specific as to which module? |
| 10:27.08 | milligan_ | I asked this a bit earlier, but I had to leave. I have an application that starts fine from console. I have added an icon to the startmenu, executing the same command that works on the console. However, the application doesn |
| 10:27.08 | themill | Blackhold: is this for a web server of a desktop machine? |
| 10:27.20 | milligan_ | I asked this a bit earlier, but I had to leave. I have an application that starts fine from console. I have added an icon to the startmenu, executing the same command that works on the console. However, the application doesn't start when I click the menu. Using GNOME. Any ideas? * |
| 10:27.25 | wols | tview: apparently not, and ther is only one module |
| 10:27.41 | nouga | wols: compile the sid sources ? |
| 10:27.55 | wols | nouga: backport them |
| 10:27.58 | wols | !nvidia_lenny |
| 10:27.59 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 10:28.19 | nouga | wols: ok ! i'll try |
| 10:28.24 | nouga | bye ! |
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| 10:28.49 | tview | wols: the interesting this is that only once in 3 times did modprobe nvidia actually show the "173" loaded message after rmmod calls. Other times it returned with nothing. |
| 10:29.04 | jelly | dpkg, nvidia lenny is <reply>see nvidia_lenny |
| 10:29.05 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 10:29.09 | wols | rmmod doesn't load anything. it removes |
| 10:29.10 | Blackhold | themill: this will be a server that will have inside some files, and in the same server, will be an apache serving all these files |
| 10:29.32 | Blackhold | I thought to use apache's directory listing page |
| 10:29.36 | tview | wols: I know. I mean from the terminal (after gdm failed to load) I rmmod the driver then modprobe it again. |
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| 10:29.50 | Blackhold | and what misses is a tool to search these files |
| 10:29.59 | tview | anyway, will try again. Thanks for advice. |
| 10:29.59 | wols | tview: your statement does not compute. do what I told you |
| 10:30.01 | Blackhold | I tried some cms that manage that |
| 10:30.07 | themill | Blackhold: htdig can certainly do all that for you -- it walks the website following all the links that it finds and builds an index for searching. |
| 10:30.08 | Blackhold | but are not fast to administrate |
| 10:30.14 | tview | wols: I already had it there (in modules). |
| 10:30.26 | themill | Blackhold: There are perhaps newer alternatives to htdig these days though. |
| 10:30.33 | Blackhold | themill: also look inside pdf, odf, doc, xls, ...? |
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| 10:30.52 | Chrom_ | hi all |
| 10:30.59 | Blackhold | themill: gonna search through this name |
| 10:31.15 | Blackhold | htdig uses databases? |
| 10:31.15 | tview | To clarify : gdm failed to start. I used rmmod, then did modprobe. Only one time in 3 of doing this did the module report it was 173 version. Other times modprobe returned with no status message. |
| 10:31.20 | Chrom_ | anyone is so kind to give me an help on a mdadm software raid problem (Etch)? |
| 10:31.37 | themill | Blackhold: you can give htdig filters to look inside other documents. so it can use catdoc to convert word to text and then index it. Similarly it uses pdftotext (I think) to look inside pdfs. |
| 10:31.50 | itguru | look around |
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| 10:32.23 | wols | tview: then tell us the actual errors if it doesn't work, see Xorg.0.log |
| 10:32.32 | Blackhold | themill: yes I know these programs |
| 10:32.33 | themill | Blackhold: istr it uses a db file (berkley db) not a mysql db, but the important point is that it indexes the content |
| 10:32.38 | Blackhold | the main problem is the fastness |
| 10:32.53 | Chrom_ | this is a raid1 setup with 3 partitions (/dev/md[012]). one disk died, so now all the 3 arrays are in active but unclean state. |
| 10:33.00 | Blackhold | the program must search through 1000 files more or less |
| 10:33.25 | Blackhold | I thought with a program that with a cron starts to index the new files |
| 10:33.34 | Blackhold | and puts its information into database |
| 10:33.35 | Chrom_ | I added a new good disk, remade the 3 partitions, but I'm not able to attach the partitions to the arrays with mdadm |
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| 10:34.11 | Chrom_ | mdadm -f --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1 gives an "devide or resource busy" error |
| 10:34.16 | Chrom_ | *device |
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| 10:35.16 | themill | Blackhold: that's exactly how htdig is designed to work. Make a daily cron job to refresh it etc. It gives the server a good thrashing while indexing though and I don't think it keeps track of last-modified information so it completely rebuilds the index each time. This may have changed though, I'm not sure as I've not used it for some time. As I said, there may be better alternatives than htdig these days. |
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| 10:36.36 | ortanc | debian |
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| 10:39.39 | Blackhold | themill: oh! |
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| 10:49.53 | massmc | how do I add apps to the application menues? any help or docs I can read? |
| 10:50.47 | themill | massmc: in KDE, it's just right click on the menu and select "menu editor". |
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| 10:51.02 | milligan_ | Does gnome have some kind of log over what went wrong when you tried to start an application ? |
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| 10:51.10 | massmc | the I am in gnome |
| 10:51.23 | themill | milligan_: try looking in ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 10:52.02 | milligan_ | cheers. |
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| 10:52.51 | themill | milligan_: in the .desktop file you created, try adding Terminal=true (if this is related to your previous question...) |
| 10:53.20 | themill | milligan_: KDE obeys that option and I think it's in the specs so gnome should. |
| 10:53.46 | milligan_ | well, actually it was wine that added the icon to my menu. It was working earlier.. then I patched the program, and it stopped working. However, running it from console seems fine. |
| 10:53.53 | milligan_ | s/running/starting |
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| 10:55.22 | themill | milligan_: odd. Would it rely on any environment variables such as WINEPREFIX? Or be using a different PATH when you start it from the terminal? |
| 10:55.56 | milligan_ | how can I tell ? |
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| 10:56.04 | milligan_ | WINEPREFIX isn't set on the terminal |
| 10:56.11 | milligan_ | but it shouldn't be when I start from the menu either. |
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| 10:57.27 | JustSoul | How to check in "if []" is symlink dead or not? |
| 10:57.27 | themill | milligan_: well anything you set in ~/.bash_profile won't be visible to your program when you start it from the menu. That's possibly also the case for things in ~/.bashrc (I'm not sure). |
| 10:57.51 | themill | JustSoul: man test |
| 10:58.00 | themill | JustSoul: (or indeed, man [ ...) |
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| 10:58.34 | milligan_ | themill, I didn't edit that file, that's for sure. |
| 10:58.37 | themill | JustSoul: Or since you are using bash, you would more accurately use "help test" |
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| 11:01.21 | turneralex | How do you mount a fiberchannel drive in debian. i cant see the drives in the os, but on boot LPFC displays everything |
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| 11:11.20 | zxbx | how to disable Indexes on debians 4 apache2? in apache2.conf i have no entries with indexes also in virtual_domain.conf file i have no entries adding indexes, after adding Options -Indexes and restarting apache2 they sill appear |
| 11:11.26 | milligan_ | themill, any idea why sound isn't working in wine ? I'm running lenny. |
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| 11:12.19 | jeukku | turneralex: where "in the os" did you check? |
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| 11:15.57 | themill | milligan_: no idea. Wine is a deeply complicated beast. Do you have the libwine-alsa (or similar) packages installed? |
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| 11:18.34 | bringatowel | milligan_, what sound system you using? (OSS, Alsa, Pulse...) |
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| 11:18.58 | milligan_ | alsa |
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| 11:19.41 | gnunixguy | you did a winecfg and selected alsa right? also did you try a test sound through the winecfg -> sound tab? |
| 11:19.55 | mithro | is there a way to specify in a control file that a package depends on different things for different distro-versions? |
| 11:20.55 | themill | mithro: normally you'd do something like Depends: liboldname | libnewname sort of thing if packages have been renamed. |
| 11:21.18 | mithro | themill: well the problem is that a package was split somewhere a long the lines |
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| 11:22.51 | milligan_ | yep, that's what I did ... brb .. Im going to try something |
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| 11:24.34 | trombo | hello, how do I view .chm files on etch? |
| 11:24.43 | ootput | trombo: apt-cache search chm |
| 11:24.45 | roe_ | is there a good reason zip was not compiled with large archive support? |
| 11:25.01 | mithro | can I do something like "libogre-dev (>= 1.4.5) & libceguiogre-dev | libogre-dev (>= 1.4) |
| 11:25.13 | ootput | trombo: chmsee |
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| 11:26.36 | themill | mithro: I'm not sure. Packaging questions are often best asked in the mentors channel (/msg dpkg mentors). They can be slow to respond, but you'll get better advice there. |
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| 11:28.18 | mithro | ahh figured it out |
| 11:28.43 | mithro | libogre-dev (>= 1.4), libceguiogre-dev | libogre-dev (<< 1.4.5) |
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| 11:29.44 | trombo | ootput: cannot find package chmsee, but found kchmview, seems quite ok, thx |
| 11:30.20 | fantomas | Hello. I have problem with sound in gnome. First, gnome volume manager does nothing with sound. Second - totem closes upon startup with message in console: can't create mcop directory |
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| 11:31.30 | cahoot_ | isn't mcop a kde thinhie? |
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| 11:31.51 | fantomas | cahoot_: well, I installed only gnome |
| 11:31.53 | SQLDb | hey, is it possible to reset gnome-panel to defaults? |
| 11:32.04 | fantomas | and description in apt-cache show was: it is Gnome player |
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| 11:32.17 | SQLDb | seems as tho something's wrong with mine... I think something in there is crashing and hanging gnome-panel |
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| 11:33.55 | cahoot_ | fantomas: what does ls -ld /tmp return? |
| 11:34.08 | milligan_ | Bastard sound has died completly on me. Doesn't work anywhere now :-\ |
| 11:34.28 | fantomas | cahoot_: drwxrwxrwt 12 root root 1024 2008-07-15 15:34 /tmp |
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| 11:35.03 | cahoot_ | fantomas: ok |
| 11:35.10 | fantomas | cahoot_: actually I "fixed" the problem. Before that I enabled gnome sounds, which is possible if checkbox "(ESD)" is selected. |
| 11:35.17 | fantomas | cahoot_: now I disabled it and totem runs |
| 11:35.34 | fantomas | But I have no idea why Gnome volume manager doesnt affect sound |
| 11:36.02 | cahoot_ | because it's for other kinds of volumes? |
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| 11:36.17 | fantomas | cahoot_: playing mp3 in totem is another kind? |
| 11:37.18 | cahoot_ | fantomas: try aptitude show gnome-volume-manager |
| 11:38.05 | fantomas | oops |
| 11:38.31 | fantomas | its not about sound. Then what is the name of default gnome icon to the top right? :) |
| 11:38.54 | cahoot_ | gnome-mixer or such? |
| 11:40.08 | cahoot_ | gnome-mixer-applet IIRC |
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| 11:42.39 | roe_ | it seems that zip does not support archives larger than 2gb, is there a reason zip was not built with this ability? |
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| 11:43.16 | sema-4 | hi @channel. i'm using a pcmcia card providing two usb 2.0 slots. the debian standard kernels from 2.6.20 upwards seem to have trouble with this. they block irq 10 which apparently causes some hick ups for my usb mouse on a third usb 1.0 port. these probs don't occur with kernel 2.6.17. what happened between 2.6.17 and 2.6.20 ? |
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| 11:55.00 | arafangion | Hey, how do I load a module (eg, asus_acpi) automatically at boot time? I have to modprobe it myself manually in order to enable the button to turn wifi on or off. |
| 11:55.20 | moshii | arafangion: /etc/modules |
| 11:55.37 | DawnLight | any aptitude developer wants to patch #490593? |
| 11:55.43 | arafangion | moshii, That's what I thought. :( Somehow /etc/modules has no effect. |
| 11:56.05 | abrotman | DawnLight: you could |
| 11:56.11 | moshii | arafangion: checked dmesg? |
| 11:56.14 | arafangion | moshii, Would you know if order is important? |
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| 11:56.16 | DawnLight | abrotman: i don't code |
| 11:56.21 | arafangion | moshii, I don't know what to look for in dmesg. :( |
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| 11:56.29 | abrotman | DawnLight: you think we're DDs ? |
| 11:56.38 | DawnLight | i discover bugs and bug about them |
| 11:56.46 | moshii | arafangion: Does the module give out any output when you load it manually? |
| 11:57.01 | abrotman | DawnLight: and there's nothing to "patch" |
| 11:57.07 | moshii | DawnLight: There are developer lists for that sort of thing.. |
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| 11:57.29 | abrotman | besides the fact that the maintainer has already responded |
| 11:57.31 | DawnLight | a dev may hear it here and have a good mood to do it |
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| 11:57.36 | arafangion | moshii, Not on subsequent times, no. |
| 11:57.51 | abrotman | DawnLight: FYI .. there are very few DDs in here |
| 11:57.54 | arafangion | moshii, If I were to test it again, I'd have to reboot. |
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| 11:58.03 | abrotman | even fewer that actually pay attention |
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| 11:58.20 | moshii | arafangion: what you should do is, reboot and grep dmesg to see if it gets loaded.. it may be that you have to load it later for it to work |
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| 11:58.56 | DawnLight | so i shouldn't bother? |
| 11:59.19 | arafangion | moshii, Thanks, I'll investigate it further. |
| 11:59.20 | moshii | arafangion: if so you could write something into rc.local to check that any required stuff is loaded and then modprobe that module... |
| 11:59.32 | abrotman | DawnLight: or be patient .. it's been a whole two days |
| 11:59.34 | DawnLight | these darn bugs. i have to write the script upside down with workarounds :) |
| 11:59.56 | arafangion | moshii, I _hate_ hacks, but it looks like I'll have to do that. :( |
| 12:00.09 | moshii | DawnLight: If it's that much of an issue fix the bug yourself |
| 12:00.17 | DawnLight | i don't code, moshii |
| 12:00.26 | moshii | arafangion: is the module in the mainline kernel? |
| 12:00.31 | DawnLight | i just barely manage to script |
| 12:00.33 | abrotman | DawnLight: you could pay moshii :) |
| 12:00.34 | arafangion | moshii, Was just driving myself insane because it seemed that /etc/modules didn't have any effect! (And I normally don't use such files) |
| 12:00.52 | arafangion | moshii, This is a stock debian etch system, but with proprietary ati drivers. |
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| 12:01.32 | moshii | arafangion: I'm pretty sure that /etc/modules is the old-skool (tm) way of doing it, but I can't be arsed to learn how it should be done heh |
| 12:02.09 | arafangion | moshii, Must be why I did it like that, but was almost convinced my memory was playing tricks on me, so was trying to confirm. :) Thanks. |
| 12:02.29 | moshii | .... or if the bug is fixed upstream; Build a local version and use that until a fixed version enters debian |
| 12:03.31 | arafangion | moshii, That is a posibility. |
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| 12:03.36 | gnunixguy | does IRQBalance always move randomly between cpu cores? |
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| 12:04.02 | gnunixguy | or is there some way to make it stick to one or two cores? |
| 12:04.14 | abrotman | cpu affinity |
| 12:04.18 | abrotman | oh .. wrong |
| 12:04.45 | moshii | gnunixguy: irqbalance has no use on boxes that don't have multiple physical units |
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| 12:05.29 | arafangion | abrotman, Just wondering if you remember the buzzpot irc network? |
| 12:05.42 | gnunixguy | moshii: oh really? that must be why i hit load on this box and it randomly loads core0 for a bit, then core4 then core 2, etc... completely randomly |
| 12:05.48 | abrotman | how old do i look? |
| 12:05.51 | abrotman | arafangion: nope |
| 12:06.05 | abrotman | arafangion: TBH, I didn't IRC much in college .. oddly enough |
| 12:06.32 | moshii | gnunixguy: It says in the irqbalance docs that if it's not running on a real multiprocessor system it'll setup some nice irq settings and exit iirc |
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| 12:07.02 | maligor | multi-core's aren't real multiprocessors? |
| 12:07.12 | gnunixguy | ahh, i didnt know if it could tell the diff between a multicore and multi proc |
| 12:07.17 | arafangion | abrotman, Well, someone from around that time was using your nick then. :) He quit the network, and I began seeing you on openprojects. :) |
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| 12:07.30 | moshii | gnunixguy: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:07.38 | abrotman | maligor: sure they are .. the HT ones aren't though |
| 12:07.46 | moshii | maligor: the organisation is slightly different.. |
| 12:07.54 | abrotman | arafangion: uhm .. maybe it was me .. what is on that network ? |
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| 12:08.00 | maligor | abrotman, yes, I sort of got the same impression aswell |
| 12:08.02 | abrotman | arafangion: wait .. on openprojects? |
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| 12:08.18 | maligor | for HT irq balancing would be a bit silly anyway |
| 12:08.20 | abrotman | arafangion: FWIW .. there is another 'abrotman' in the tech field .. two possibly |
| 12:08.23 | gnunixguy | moshii: my core2quad is showing cpu 0, cpu1, cpu2 and cpu3 |
| 12:08.38 | arafangion | abrotman, That could be it. :) |
| 12:08.48 | abrotman | arafangion: what is "openprojects" ? |
| 12:09.09 | arafangion | abrotman, I might have the 'openprojects' wrong, but it was the former name for the irc network that became freenode. |
| 12:09.15 | moshii | gnunixguy: you have a physical id for each processor package :) |
| 12:09.45 | abrotman | arafangion: oh .. i think i used 'freenode' a few times in college .. so maybe it was me, but i was using more newsgroups then |
| 12:09.57 | maligor | anyway, my dual core has relatively evenly distributed interrupts without irqbalance |
| 12:10.02 | gnunixguy | aha! physID is 0 on all :) then i guess its not reading as 4 separate |
| 12:10.19 | moshii | maligor: hence irqbalance should exit |
| 12:10.19 | abrotman | arafangion: but i've been here fairly regularly since uhm .. 2002? 2003? |
| 12:10.25 | arafangion | abrotman, I was "thestar" back then, ahh, those were the days. :) |
| 12:11.20 | abrotman | i vaguely remember |
| 12:11.21 | gnunixguy | now if the kernel would only read the full 8mb of cache this thing has ;( |
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| 12:11.44 | arafangion | abrotman, I'd be uncomfortable if you remembered more than that. :) |
| 12:11.48 | arafangion | Anyway. |
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| 12:12.09 | abrotman | arafangion: i do remember some strange things .. some nicks i remember very well |
| 12:12.29 | milligan | Lenny installed a new kernel on the sys-update .. and now, when I tried to install the nvidia drivers again, it says that they won't work on a kernel that has Xen enabled. How can I install a kernel without Xen support? Do I have to custom compile? (I'd like to avoid that, considering recompiling kernel after every upgrade is timeconsuming, and boring) |
| 12:12.44 | arafangion | I might've come on as "doghater" from time to time, but that was a short period. |
| 12:12.52 | themill | sounds the "old fogeys reminiscing" alert bell . . . |
| 12:13.01 | abrotman | smacks kubrick |
| 12:13.23 | arafangion | is old indeed. :( |
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| 12:14.28 | moshii | gnunixguy: the kernel doesn't get involved in stuff like that |
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| 12:15.48 | gnunixguy | moshii: the kernel doesnt load the CPU/cache? |
| 12:15.55 | moshii | milligan: are you using module-assistant to build the nvidia drivers? |
| 12:16.10 | moshii | gnunixguy: caching in the cpu should be transparent |
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| 12:16.32 | gnunixguy | moshii: aye |
| 12:16.52 | milligan | moshii, nope.. drivers from the nvidia site |
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| 12:17.16 | moshii | milligan: well, do it the debian way and it might work |
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| 12:19.37 | moshii | gnunixguy: caching can be a mightmare, back in the day you knew how many machine cycles each instruction would take and they were executed in order.. |
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| 12:20.11 | gnunixguy | EEK! i think I'll let the system handle that :) |
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| 12:22.26 | vinilios_at_work | im trying to prepare a debian image file to copy it to several cf disks is there any way to install grub inside the image ? |
| 12:23.19 | moshii | vinilios_at_work: I think you can pass a file instead of a block device to grub, you need to give it some switch though |
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| 12:23.53 | milligan | moshii, I'll give it a go |
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| 12:27.20 | sarefo_work | how can i see the names of other machines on the intranet? |
| 12:27.41 | moshii | sarefo_work: netbios names? |
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| 12:28.13 | sarefo_work | moshii: i'm not sure what netbios is... probably yes :) |
| 12:28.46 | sarefo_work | moshii: yep, that's what i ment. |
| 12:29.04 | moshii | sarefo_work: a machine could have alsorts of "names",.. Windows networking would be netbios though |
| 12:29.11 | arafangion | is suddenly interested in learning languages. |
| 12:29.26 | moshii | sarefo_work: smbclient -l is want you want I think |
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| 12:36.12 | cr3_ | hi |
| 12:37.09 | sarefo_work | moshii: smbclient -l is not working; i found nbtscan, but it's not installed on the machine i need it on (which is offline, that's why i wanted to see if it can see other machines on the intranet) |
| 12:37.52 | arcsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.40 | sarefo_work | arcsky: sound reasonable. |
| 12:38.45 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 12:38.46 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 12:38.57 | sarefo_work | although you probably have to be able to read the folder, too |
| 12:39.01 | arafangion | dpkg, Don't you dare resort to flooding! |
| 12:39.02 | dpkg | arafangion: are you using Windows? |
| 12:39.15 | themill | bot 1, arafangion 0. |
| 12:39.19 | arafangion | cries. |
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| 12:42.18 | leethal | hello there. Is there a way to see the files installed by apt-get for a particular package? Namely, the configuration file for the nginx-package. I tried apt-get source, but I haven't been able to find it there. |
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| 12:43.05 | abrotman | leethal: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 12:43.06 | leethal | nvm found it ; ) |
| 12:43.11 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 12:43.12 | dpkg | well, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 12:45.36 | cr3_ | how does one make a lightsaber in blender? |
| 12:45.42 | DASPRiD | how to know, which file in ~/.ssh/known_hosts belongs to which host? |
| 12:45.49 | cr3_ | and good-looking |
| 12:45.49 | DASPRiD | got to remove one |
| 12:47.03 | micols | mount: /dev/sg0 is not a block device i get this when i try to mount my cdrom, my fstab line is: /dev/sg0 /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto,noatime 0 0, what is wrong? i got ide-scsi+sg loaded as modules i use scsi for burning. |
| 12:47.14 | DASPRiD | nobody? hm |
| 12:47.26 | micols | i can burn with the device, but not mount it |
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| 12:47.55 | NoxIn | DASP... ok too late |
| 12:48.06 | NoxIn | he have to learn patience |
| 12:49.29 | abrotman | cr3_: ask the correct channel, this isn't it |
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| 12:51.02 | cr3_ | what (presumably) command gnome/kde uses to shutdown the system? it is necessary to have root priviledges... what command to add to my fluxbox's idesk/hotkey in order to be able to shutdown the system that way? |
| 12:51.41 | cr3_ | is it safe to add SUID to /sbin/shutdown? |
| 12:51.52 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 12:52.03 | micols | cr3_: halt, or init 0 |
| 12:52.13 | abrotman | !tell cr3_ about grounding |
| 12:52.17 | micols | halt saves you 2 chars of typing |
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| 12:53.21 | liable | woohoo, two key presses! :P |
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| 12:53.45 | JyZyXEL | what port do you need to open for pptpd? |
| 12:54.12 | micols | cr3_: both are normally in /sbin/ which means its for root only :) |
| 12:55.24 | cr3_ | ;( |
| 12:55.55 | abrotman | cr3_: man 8 shutdown |
| 12:56.09 | cr3_ | abrotman, what does it read? |
| 12:56.15 | cr3_ | or say |
| 12:56.22 | abrotman | you read it .. i'm not telling you |
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| 12:57.13 | indra_ | hello |
| 12:57.14 | DawnLight | i'm thinking that backports is really nice to have. perhaps it can be official? |
| 12:58.15 | abrotman | DawnLight: read the debian news .. i think there's been talk |
| 12:58.30 | DawnLight | abrotman: where's the news at? |
| 12:58.35 | abrotman | !news |
| 12:58.38 | abrotman | figures |
| 12:58.44 | DawnLight | !figures |
| 12:58.49 | Nyle | !ping |
| 12:58.49 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | DawnLight: debian-devel-announce and .. uhm .. debian-announce maybe? |
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| 12:58.57 | Nyle | !listvals news |
| 12:58.57 | abrotman | DawnLight: lists.debian.org .. browse around |
| 12:58.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'news' by value (15 of 130): 3.1r4 ;; cli ;; cockz7 ;; cpuid ;; dfs rescue ;; gdesklets ;; nntp ;; pan ;; redcarpet (a redhat product) ;; redrick ;; says what ;; slrn ;; tin ;; unstable ;; vine. |
| 12:59.08 | Nyle | !listkeys news |
| 12:59.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'news' by key (15 of 29): _default news ;; _default newspeed ;; _default wikinews ;; apt-get the newspaper ;; fox news ;; freaking news notices grr ;; kde news ;; knewsticker ;; linuxnews ;; newsense ;; newsforge ;; newsgroups ;; newsos ;; newspeak ;; your news. |
| 12:59.13 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 12:59.16 | Nyle | something |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 12:59.33 | abrotman | lovely |
| 12:59.42 | Nyle | !ping |
| 12:59.43 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:59.49 | Nyle | hm... wtf? |
| 12:59.52 | abrotman | that's what i get for cleaning up the bot |
| 13:00.06 | margiolas | xaxaxa |
| 13:00.07 | liable | dpkg: love abrotman |
| 13:00.08 | dpkg | makes love to abrotman, caressing abrotman's hair, whispering sweet nothings in abrotman's ear... |
| 13:00.14 | DawnLight | there's debian-news list |
| 13:00.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: <dpkg> forget: Ignoring you for abuse! .. any chance i could get that removed? |
| 13:00.16 | liable | there ya go. |
| 13:00.28 | Nyle | that did it |
| 13:00.33 | abrotman | i know |
| 13:00.34 | SparFux | Security problems in debian package management? Dudes! Sign the stupid pacckage lists! The distributor should ALWAYS sign the package lists and the maintainers the packages and that's it. |
| 13:00.34 | Nyle | !abuse |
| 13:00.34 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 13:00.41 | Nyle | nm |
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| 13:00.54 | Nyle | SparFux, they do. |
| 13:01.05 | Nyle | all debian packages are signed... |
| 13:01.12 | SparFux | Nyle: So, how come there is a security issue with the package management? |
| 13:01.19 | SparFux | Nyle: No, the package lists have to be signed! |
| 13:01.19 | Nyle | SparFux, explain... |
| 13:01.22 | abrotman | says who? arizona.edu and slashdot? |
| 13:01.28 | Nyle | you mean the actual lists |
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| 13:01.30 | Nyle | they are |
| 13:01.30 | SparFux | Or otherwise mirrors can tell your system it is up to date though it isnt! |
| 13:01.40 | liable | SparFux: i suggest you take this up on the appropriate devel mailing list instead of telling us your perls of wisdom |
| 13:01.45 | SparFux | Nyle: Then I don't get hte point. |
| 13:01.46 | Nyle | isn't it? |
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| 13:01.55 | Nyle | the package lists are also signed |
| 13:02.00 | Nyle | i know you get gpg key errors if you don't |
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| 13:02.07 | Nyle | as well the packages themselves being signed |
| 13:02.07 | SparFux | Nyle: Ah, that's ok. Then I feel safe. :-) |
| 13:02.16 | gnumm | what is that random daemon? |
| 13:02.21 | liable | SparFux: i am sure the team that drives the entire mirror system can learn from your expertise |
| 13:02.28 | Nyle | gnumm, /dev/random urandom etc. etc. |
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| 13:02.31 | SparFux | Nyle: So, then I don't htink there is a problem. Perhaps with ubuntu, but not withdebian. |
| 13:02.32 | Nyle | ? |
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| 13:02.39 | n1kt0 | hi2all |
| 13:02.39 | gnumm | does a normal user(internet, email,multimedia) need it? |
| 13:02.41 | Nyle | we don'tdiscuss/support ubuntu here |
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| 13:02.46 | abrotman | gnumm: yes |
| 13:02.46 | Nyle | debian is just fine |
| 13:02.59 | gnumm | ok |
| 13:03.00 | n1kt0 | give me testing & source link for /etc/apt/source.list pls |
| 13:03.00 | SparFux | liable: I am not an expert. I am a user who is concerned wether the debian net update is secure. |
| 13:03.12 | Nyle | n1kt0, /msg dpkg mirrors ? |
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| 13:03.13 | abrotman | !tell n1kt0 about sources.list |
| 13:03.17 | Nyle | ah |
| 13:03.17 | abrotman | grr |
| 13:03.25 | humbolt | anybody fit with pppd? |
| 13:03.26 | abrotman | n1kt0: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 13:03.41 | gnumm | can debian sid really destroy my system one time? |
| 13:03.42 | liable | SparFux: i am sure the people that actually design the system have read the same /. story you just did |
| 13:03.55 | SparFux | Nyle: So, that's what I suspected, the news are just wrong. I mean, if the pakcages are signed, which they are I know, and the package lists also, then there is no problem at all! |
| 13:04.04 | abrotman | gnumm: it's possible .. sometimes things break very badly |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman | gnumm: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:04.15 | Nyle | SparFux, where did you read that debian pcakge lists are not signed/ |
| 13:04.16 | Nyle | ? |
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| 13:04.23 | Nyle | I'm pretty sure that they are |
| 13:04.25 | SparFux | liable: Pls understand my statement as a questione what I will have to make out of this irritating news ticker! |
| 13:04.34 | Nyle | which news site? |
| 13:04.34 | humbolt | how can I establish a persistent ppp connection (3g) but make sure the connection is reset if somehow the ip layer does not work anymore? |
| 13:04.38 | SparFux | Nyle: A german news ticker, heise.de |
| 13:04.45 | Nyle | they don't matter |
| 13:04.46 | abrotman | Nyle: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html |
| 13:04.47 | liable | Nyle: get with the times d00d, its all over the net that mirrors in every distro are unsafe |
| 13:04.55 | Nyle | really? |
| 13:05.02 | Nyle | man i just got back from vacation |
| 13:05.04 | Nyle | ok thanks |
| 13:05.05 | abrotman | he was on vacation .. no internet in texas |
| 13:05.06 | gnumm | abrotman: sp also in sidux things can break badly? |
| 13:05.06 | Nyle | will read |
| 13:05.09 | SparFux | liable: Mirrors in every distro? :-) |
| 13:05.10 | Nyle | louisiana |
| 13:05.14 | Nyle | and i was busy with family |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | same thing :) |
| 13:05.20 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:05.24 | abrotman | gnumm: i don't use sidux .. you'd have to ask them |
| 13:05.34 | gnumm | k |
| 13:05.56 | humbolt | abrotman: do you know how to make ppp connections reliable? |
| 13:06.03 | [ShapeShifter] | a comeeeeeer |
| 13:06.03 | gnumm | i just read it's save to disable the nscd daemon |
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| 13:06.08 | gnumm | is it right? |
| 13:06.10 | abrotman | humbolt: basic dialup ? |
| 13:06.37 | [ShapeShifter] | bye |
| 13:06.38 | abrotman | humbolt: way too many factors .. modems on each end are only part of it .. line quality can have a significant impact |
| 13:06.40 | Nyle | argh too much reading in the morning |
| 13:06.48 | Nyle | grrr. |
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| 13:07.00 | DawnLight | is debian-jobs active? |
| 13:07.15 | yuastnav | Hey, I just installed a new debian-system but it seems that it can't resolve any domain names. |
| 13:07.26 | yuastnav | There are three dns-server in the resolve.conf |
| 13:07.35 | yuastnav | And the first one is working for sure. |
| 13:07.45 | yuastnav | But still, it cannot resolve names |
| 13:08.11 | opera | yuastnav: are you able to reach your default gateway? |
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| 13:08.17 | Nyle | however, I am correct in saying that debian official mirrors have signed package lists? |
| 13:08.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: lok at the list archives .. you tell us |
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| 13:08.21 | Nyle | or not |
| 13:08.25 | gnumm | is there a good compromise for a stable debian system but actual software? |
| 13:08.27 | yuastnav | opera: default gateway? |
| 13:08.34 | arafangion | gnumm, What? |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | gnumm: backports.org has some updates |
| 13:08.38 | Nyle | testing is a good compromise |
| 13:08.45 | yuastnav | Well, I'm getting an ip from the router |
| 13:08.46 | DawnLight | i'm just asking, abrotman |
| 13:08.47 | yuastnav | if you mean that |
| 13:08.48 | arafangion | runs debian stable on his *laptop*, and works rather nicely. |
| 13:08.51 | abrotman | DawnLight: read it .. no idea |
| 13:08.53 | opera | yuastnav: the machine that is your gateway to the internet |
| 13:09.03 | opera | or is the dns servers on your local lan? |
| 13:09.06 | Nyle | however, I am correct in saying that debian official mirrors have signed package lists? yes no? maybe? |
| 13:09.11 | gnumm | someone said testing brakes hard after its stable release |
| 13:09.19 | yuastnav | I can reach my router ,yes. |
| 13:09.23 | yuastnav | no |
| 13:09.26 | yuastnav | It is in the Internet |
| 13:09.34 | yuastnav | *on |
| 13:09.39 | yuastnav | Ah, it's some external IP |
| 13:09.42 | DawnLight | did anyone here get a job via debian-jobs? |
| 13:09.47 | opera | can you do a dig @ip.address.to.dns google.com ? |
| 13:09.52 | opera | yuastnav: ^ |
| 13:09.55 | gnumm | abrotman: is there a list of packages which are in backports? |
| 13:10.02 | Nyle | backports.org |
| 13:10.21 | yuastnav | dig? |
| 13:10.26 | opera | yes |
| 13:10.27 | yuastnav | he doesn't know that command |
| 13:10.27 | abrotman | it's a program |
| 13:10.38 | DawnLight | gnumm: aptitude search ~Obackports |
| 13:10.40 | abrotman | he may not have that packge installed .. he can use host/nslookup probably though |
| 13:10.48 | abrotman | DawnLight: that only works if you have it setup |
| 13:10.48 | Nyle | dnsutils? |
| 13:10.55 | DawnLight | abrotman: no doubt |
| 13:10.57 | opera | yuastnav: can you reach the Internet in general? like ping google.com ? |
| 13:11.04 | yuastnav | No. |
| 13:11.17 | yuastnav | Well, I can ping IP's but no adresses |
| 13:11.17 | opera | (if you resolv the ip on another host) |
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| 13:11.23 | yuastnav | That's why he couldn't configure apt |
| 13:11.30 | abrotman | is pdo down? |
| 13:11.38 | yuastnav | pdo? |
| 13:11.50 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 13:11.55 | opera | yuastnav: is there any iptables-rules in place? |
| 13:12.00 | Nyle | abrotman, taking awhile here |
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| 13:12.04 | opera | can you ping the dns serveR? |
| 13:12.05 | yuastnav | I don't think so, I just installed the system |
| 13:12.07 | abrotman | gnumm: try packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ .. ifi t comes back |
| 13:12.16 | Nyle | abrotman, 10s laod time |
| 13:12.18 | abrotman | ah there it is |
| 13:12.18 | Nyle | abrotman, no its up |
| 13:12.26 | yuastnav | I can ping the dns-server yes |
| 13:12.32 | opera | yuastnav: are you able to ping the dns servers? |
| 13:12.37 | opera | nevermind :) |
| 13:12.48 | Nyle | opera |
| 13:12.53 | opera | are there any restrictions in your router? |
| 13:12.57 | yuastnav | no |
| 13:13.01 | opera | Nyle: ? |
| 13:13.04 | Nyle | oh nothing |
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| 13:13.07 | gnumm | do i need the microcode.ctl daemon if use a amd processor? |
| 13:13.08 | Nyle | just saying opera |
| 13:13.10 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:13.17 | Nyle | browser or music? |
| 13:13.23 | opera | yuastnav: care to paste youre /etc/resolv.conf somewhere? |
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| 13:13.29 | yuastnav | I can't |
| 13:13.37 | yuastnav | But I can write it here, only four lines |
| 13:13.43 | opera | Nyle: it has nothing to do with the browser anyway :P |
| 13:13.44 | Nyle | join #flood |
| 13:13.54 | Nyle | opera, good man. join #music ? |
| 13:14.02 | opera | nah :P |
| 13:14.06 | Nyle | :( |
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| 13:14.15 | opera | yuastnav: you could send a pm to me |
| 13:14.24 | Nyle | you can paste in #flood |
| 13:14.47 | Nyle | if its 4 lines just paste it in here and use // as line end or something |
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| 13:14.52 | Nyle | paste it allon 1 line |
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| 13:14.56 | jelly | if you can write here, you can also use something like |
| 13:15.00 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 13:15.00 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 13:15.23 | Nyle | word |
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| 13:15.44 | jelly | gnumm: afaict, microcode.ctl is only for intel |
| 13:15.53 | gnumm | ok |
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| 13:16.41 | moshii | amd don't release their microcode update to the public |
| 13:16.42 | christianp | hi all |
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| 13:17.11 | grzegorz129 | hello all |
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| 13:17.34 | grzegorz129 | i have a problem with my debian |
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| 13:17.45 | moshii | !ask |
| 13:17.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:17.45 | abrotman | gnumm: which version of debian are you running ? |
| 13:17.47 | christianp | i installed python-reportlab on a test server without GUI with apt-get install. How can i discover the version i installed? |
| 13:17.58 | abrotman | christianp: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 13:18.05 | christianp | thanks ;) |
| 13:18.07 | grzegorz129 | ok, i know |
| 13:18.15 | grzegorz129 | gdm is my problem |
| 13:18.16 | themill | abrotman: if you /nick abrotman_ then dpkg will stop ignoring you |
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| 13:18.32 | grzegorz129 | how to add gui - like fvwm crystal |
| 13:18.35 | grzegorz129 | to gdm/ |
| 13:18.53 | moshii | grzegorz129: it should be added automagically |
| 13:19.00 | grzegorz129 | no ;/ |
| 13:19.05 | gnumm | abrotman: usually i run sid(ux) |
| 13:19.05 | grzegorz129 | not fvwm crystal |
| 13:19.19 | grzegorz129 | fvwm ofc but not crystal |
| 13:19.20 | moshii | grzegorz129: it's not available as a session type? |
| 13:19.38 | grzegorz129 | moshii: i dont know |
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| 13:21.31 | thoth_ | Hi , people , can somebody explain me , why after perl update on debian testing , many *.pl does not work |
| 13:21.46 | thoth_ | perl 5.10 |
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| 13:23.11 | themill | thoth_: scripts that you have written or scripts from debian packages? |
| 13:23.39 | thoth_ | I think both of them |
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| 13:25.09 | themill | thoth_: what do you mean by "does not work"? Is there an error message? |
| 13:26.04 | ick | I get Buffer I/O errors in dmesg for a USB stick. Does this always mean that the device is faulty or is there a good chance that Linux simply is incorrect? |
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| 13:26.46 | milligan | moshii, back again. Am I right in my assumption that the nvidia drivers aren't available to testing (lenny/sid) ? |
| 13:26.54 | thoth_ | themill: yes , it allways the same : Perl_Istack_sp_ptr |
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| 13:27.28 | Nyle | milligan, maybe |
| 13:27.35 | Nyle | milligan, sometimes things are moved in/outnof testing |
| 13:27.40 | Nyle | !why is nvidia not in testing |
| 13:27.40 | dpkg | nvidia is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia |
| 13:28.10 | thoth_ | Cwd.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Istack_sp_ptr , you can change "Cwd.so" to different names of system/user scripts and modules |
| 13:28.37 | themill | thoth_: can you pastebin the entire output? And also the output of dpkg -l *perl* | grep ^i |
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| 13:30.16 | milligan | Nyle, right .. so installing the nvidia drivers the debian way is out of the question. that means I must use the ones from the nvidia site. And that fails because the new kernel debian install, is an Xen kernel. Do I have to manually recompile it, or can I set some kind of flag to install a non-Xen kernel? |
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| 13:30.30 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 13:30.37 | Nyle | no idea man I've never messed with xen |
| 13:30.40 | Nyle | :( |
| 13:31.11 | Nyle | and the non nvidia way is usually not recomended |
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| 13:31.28 | Nyle | however jetscreamer swears by the nvidia installer, seems to think it doesn't break the system potentially |
| 13:31.46 | Nyle | who knows i been into ATI for 2 yeas |
| 13:31.46 | milligan | Mine was fine untill I updated the kernel now :) |
| 13:32.00 | milligan | I couldn't make the debian way work, so I used the nvidia way, and it worked in 10 secs. |
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| 13:32.29 | Nyle | well if it works then you're good |
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| 13:32.41 | Nyle | its just not recommeneded because it has been known to cuase complications |
| 13:32.48 | Superbartt | I also had problems with the latest lenny kernel and the nvidia installer |
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| 13:32.51 | Superbartt | now i'm still running the old kernel |
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| 13:33.05 | milligan | guess I might have to myself. |
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| 13:33.21 | Superbartt | dnno, i'm too lazy to compile my kernel without the xen stuff |
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| 13:33.32 | milligan | yeah, same here |
| 13:33.39 | Superbartt | :] |
| 13:33.44 | milligan | And doing that for every kernelupdate sounds a bit harsh |
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| 13:34.18 | Nyle | why update the kernel if you don't need to |
| 13:34.23 | Nyle | you guys read the changelogs? |
| 13:34.26 | Nyle | bug lists? |
| 13:34.30 | milligan | the autoupdater does it.. :P |
| 13:34.41 | Nyle | hold the package |
| 13:34.49 | Nyle | !tell milligan -about hold |
| 13:34.55 | thoth_ | themill: http://pastebin.com/d6c082b16 |
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| 13:35.13 | Nyle | and use aptitude safe-upgrade instead |
| 13:35.30 | thoth_ | themill: 5.10 isn't binary-compatible to earlier versions :( |
| 13:35.36 | Nyle | of full-upgrae or dist-upgrade(alias for full) |
| 13:36.36 | [intra]lanman | how would one set up multiple persistent ip addresses on one physical interface? all the tutorials i'm finding are geared towards setting up a single ip per iface |
| 13:36.57 | thoth_ | themill: on perl-chanell they say that I must reinstall all things that aren't pure perl |
| 13:36.57 | milligan | [intra]lanman, ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 13:37.10 | [intra]lanman | milligan: that won't be persistent though |
| 13:37.20 | milligan | [intra]lanman, put it in /etc/networks/net |
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| 13:37.25 | milligan | or something like that |
| 13:37.36 | themill | thoth_: You have a strange mish-mash of locally installed perl in $HOME/perl5lib and debian packages. the perl people are right... |
| 13:37.50 | Nyle | perl people are always right |
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| 13:37.58 | Nyle | neve argue with a perlmonk |
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| 13:38.26 | thoth_ | themill: thank you |
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| 13:39.06 | thoth_ | themill: perl5lib , it is just place for non-root users to install perl modules via CPAN |
| 13:39.12 | themill | thoth_: Some of the things in your local perl5lib are already in other places within the debian perl packages. Cwd.so, for example, is part of perl-base. There should be no need for you to locally install it. |
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| 13:40.49 | thoth_ | themill: how can I check , which modules I have allready installed on my system |
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| 13:41.11 | thoth_ | I mean in /usr/ |
| 13:41.15 | trumpen | What are the groups a user need to be a member of, in order to be able to play a music file? (The audio group seems not to be enough) |
| 13:41.46 | themill | thoth_: the other thing to check is whether the perl module is already packaged for debian. Debian packages for the module Foo::Bar would be called libfoo-bar-perl. dpkg -l lib*perl will show you all the packages you already have installed. |
| 13:42.09 | thoth_ | themill: thank you |
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| 13:42.31 | themill | thoth_: no worries |
| 13:42.41 | thoth_ | themill: :) |
| 13:44.34 | themill | thoth_: If you need to compile new perl modules, consider using dh-make-perl rather than the straight cpan shell as you were doing. It will make a .deb out of the package for you. It's not perfect but it can be better than having to do it all by hand and not being sure what you've done later. Also, if the module is later packaged for debian, you can pick up that package easily using apt. |
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| 13:45.39 | n3kl | What is the difference between vserver and xen |
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| 13:45.52 | arafangion | n30, Wholly different approach. |
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| 13:46.44 | arafangion | n30, I use neither, but if I understand it, xen emulates the entire system as far as linux applications are concerned, whereas vserver attempts to provide separate "containers" as far as webservers are concerned. |
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| 13:58.14 | Hideme | What are my options to for getting apache-mod_auth_sql for Etch? |
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| 13:59.14 | micols | my /dev/null is limited to my network speed as my rootfs is over nfs, how do i unlimit this? |
| 13:59.19 | liable | check backports.org first |
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| 14:00.15 | Hideme | liable: I have. |
| 14:00.44 | Hideme | actually... I'm looking for libapache2-mod-auth-sql |
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| 14:03.43 | Misterjos | hey, what program can i use to send messages to other (debian/linux/ and/or windows pc's) over a Local Area Network? |
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| 14:04.17 | unixSnob | configuring my networks using the GUI is a problem, because the gui can only configure WEP, not WPA |
| 14:04.37 | unixSnob | but when I try to configure things on the cli, the gui settings stomp on it |
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| 14:05.12 | liable | which gui? |
| 14:05.44 | unixSnob | liable: i don't even know.. I think it's gnome.. whatever the default is when doing a netinst |
| 14:06.05 | liable | unixSnob: dpkg -l|grep network-manager |
| 14:06.10 | liable | and it can do wpa |
| 14:06.17 | unixSnob | in fact, I recall seeing the paw print.. so I think that's gnome |
| 14:06.23 | unixSnob | thanks! |
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| 14:06.48 | liable | i was asking for output ;) |
| 14:06.58 | unixSnob | ah... hold on |
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| 14:08.21 | unixSnob | it comes up with "network-manager" and "network-manager-gnome" |
| 14:08.49 | liable | ok |
| 14:09.06 | liable | unixSnob: which wireless chip? |
| 14:09.12 | liable | and kernel |
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| 14:09.44 | unixSnob | i think it's the broadcom... it's an intel card, which comes with the thinkpads |
| 14:10.13 | unixSnob | kernel is the latest, and has a trailing "-bigmem".. haven't figured out what that is yet |
| 14:10.18 | liable | err, intel isnt broadcom. paste your lspci |
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| 14:10.43 | unixSnob | i'm on a different machine.. but i'll see what it says |
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| 14:11.18 | ick | I have a Debian kernel, can I use >1GB RAM without doing anything? |
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| 14:11.19 | abrotman | Misterjos: linpopup ? |
| 14:11.29 | abrotman | ick: yes if you use a -686 kernel or -amd64 |
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| 14:11.38 | abrotman | ick: the -486 only does 960MB |
| 14:11.44 | unixSnob | intel 3945abg is the model |
| 14:11.46 | ick | I get Buffer I/O errors in dmesg for a USB stick. Does this always mean that the device is faulty or is there a good chance that Linux simply is incorrect? |
| 14:11.54 | Misterjos | thanks abrotman, i'll have a look |
| 14:12.00 | liable | unixSnob: and what kernel version? |
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| 14:12.08 | ick | abrotman: great |
| 14:12.10 | abrotman | Misterjos: there are other things like 'talk' |
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| 14:12.23 | abrotman | which may or may not work for what oyu want |
| 14:12.23 | feuj | hi |
| 14:12.37 | feuj | where could I get the default sources.list for my debian ? |
| 14:12.41 | unixSnob | 2.6-18-6-686 |
| 14:12.44 | abrotman | feuj: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 14:12.54 | unixSnob | sorry.. 2.6-18-6-686-bigmem |
| 14:13.15 | liable | unixSnob: righto, and you have installed the modules, and firmware? |
| 14:13.24 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 14:13.25 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 14:13.30 | unixSnob | yeah, it was like three different packages |
| 14:13.56 | unixSnob | that's what I did |
| 14:13.58 | feuj | there are only 2 lines in default sources.list ? |
| 14:14.00 | liable | unixSnob: paste your dmesg from that box |
| 14:14.05 | feuj | (very fun, the bot named dpkg) |
| 14:14.10 | wols | feuj: there is no "default" |
| 14:14.42 | feuj | I mean the one when you just installed debian |
| 14:15.09 | liable | thats about right |
| 14:15.19 | liable | ordinary and security |
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| 14:15.51 | unixSnob | liable: ok.. it'll be a min.. I need to setup a netcat |
| 14:15.53 | Heller_Barde | hi |
| 14:16.35 | roe_ | This is becoming a pain in the ass: http://www.pastebin.org/51568 |
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| 14:17.00 | abrotman | what's wrong with that? |
| 14:17.07 | roe_ | Even though I think I took out from dhclient.conf the request for nameservers, and search domain, it keeps getting over written |
| 14:17.18 | wols | roe_: chattr +i |
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| 14:17.31 | liable | ugly |
| 14:17.33 | Heller_Barde | can one of you tell me how to get the sources or just the patches to build a debian kernel? I am not using debian. I seem to be too stupid to use the debian package search system... |
| 14:17.38 | roe_ | !chattr |
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| 14:17.46 | liable | why do people keep giving that horrible hack? |
| 14:17.57 | themill | !fixresolvconf |
| 14:17.57 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (ask me about <override dns>). |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | liable: because no one wants to read the dhclient.conf |
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| 14:18.43 | roe_ | 10-4, thanks |
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| 14:18.53 | Diabolo | hey guys |
| 14:18.53 | babilen | hi there... i am using thinkpad-acpi and need "/proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/*" but it seems not to be available... |
| 14:18.56 | unixSnob | liable: damn.. netcat is failing me right now.. connection refused.. but what was it you wanted to find out from dmesg? I can see that the driver runs w/out error, and scans for networks |
| 14:18.59 | babilen | where do i find it? |
| 14:19.15 | amphi | babilen: modprobe battery |
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| 14:19.31 | liable | unixSnob: ok, is wpasupplicant installed? |
| 14:19.50 | unixSnob | liable: i don't think so... should i search dmesg for that string? |
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| 14:19.59 | Diabolo | hey guys i have this problem with x in testing and sid witha thinkpad x61 |
| 14:20.00 | amphi | babilen: /proc/acpi/BAT0 is not provided by thinkpad_acpi, only /proc/acpi/ibm |
| 14:20.00 | unixSnob | i know i didn't install it specifically |
| 14:20.01 | Diabolo | http://pastebin.com/m12b1e21e |
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| 14:20.19 | liable | unixSnob: it wont be in dmesg, dpkg -l |grep wpasupplicant |
| 14:20.37 | babilen | amphi: what exactly does "modprobe battery" help? |
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| 14:20.54 | amphi | babilen: it inserts acpi battery support into the kernel |
| 14:20.59 | babilen | amphi: so i have to use ibm-acpi if i want infos on the batteries? |
| 14:21.24 | Diabolo | someone is using debian in a x61? |
| 14:21.26 | amphi | babilen: no |
| 14:21.31 | amphi | Diabolo: x61s here |
| 14:21.32 | babilen | amphi: "acpi -b" works perfectly.. i am not sure where the information comes from |
| 14:21.39 | Diabolo | amphi, check this http://pastebin.com/m12b1e21e |
| 14:21.42 | unixSnob | liable: wpasupplicant is there |
| 14:21.49 | Diabolo | amphi, what branch? |
| 14:21.55 | Diabolo | testing unstable or stable? |
| 14:21.58 | amphi | Diabolo: what is it? testing |
| 14:22.17 | Diabolo | yep |
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| 14:22.30 | Diabolo | and i swicht to sid to try to fix it |
| 14:22.33 | Diabolo | but still the same |
| 14:22.34 | Diabolo | error |
| 14:22.37 | Diabolo | http://pastebin.com/m12b1e21e |
| 14:22.42 | liable | unixSnob: ah, actually, if you are using etch, i think there may have been problems with NM when etch was released. try just using wpasupplicant without NM |
| 14:22.44 | amphi | babilen: but /proc/acpi/battery doesn't exist? |
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| 14:23.07 | liable | unixSnob: which means you have to make a config file, kill NM and do it all manually |
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| 14:23.16 | Diabolo | amphi, do u think is a problem with some miss pkg or its my xorg.conf? |
| 14:23.18 | babilen | amphi: no it does not exist |
| 14:23.48 | amphi | babilen: perhaps acpi -b is using sysfs? |
| 14:24.14 | unixSnob | liable: okay.. i'm more comfortable w/ non-gui configs anyway. does this mean composing the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:24.17 | amphi | Diabolo: it's courteous to describe your problem somewhat, rather than just paste a pastebin url |
| 14:24.35 | Diabolo | did u saw the error? |
| 14:25.15 | liable | unixSnob: yes, and wpasupplicant.conf |
| 14:25.22 | unixSnob | ty! |
| 14:25.29 | babilen | amphi: that might be... if you have the "battery" module loaded you get /proc/acpi/battery? |
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| 14:25.31 | liable | unixSnob: check out wpasupplicant docs in /usr/share/doc |
| 14:25.43 | geek_cl | hi guys: http://pastebin.ca/1072392 please ? |
| 14:26.00 | amphi | babilen: yes, but I build my own kernel |
| 14:26.43 | liable | that fixresolvconf factoid needs to die a painfull death. whoever made that and people that suggest it should also die in a fire |
| 14:27.13 | idimmu | geek_cl: have you actually googled that error message and exhausted all the entries on the first page that were returned? |
| 14:27.17 | amphi | babilen: with the deprecated /proc/acpi stuff enabled |
| 14:27.20 | liable | i cant believe debian regulars advocate using chattr on resolv.conf |
| 14:27.27 | geek_cl | idimmu: ok, thanks |
| 14:27.34 | amphi | Diabolo: I have no idea what that is |
| 14:27.41 | babilen | amphi: ok thanks... |
| 14:27.42 | themill | liable: yeah, it's pretty ugly. |
| 14:27.44 | amphi | liable: shocking ;) |
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| 14:28.33 | roe_ | the comments of /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head tell me not to edit the file |
| 14:28.38 | themill | liable: I've rewritten it now -- thoughts? |
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| 14:28.54 | kazol | I just added the "testing" source and performed "apt-get update"; did I just update many of my system packages with unstable ones?? |
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| 14:29.29 | themill | roe_: that's only so the warning will appear in /etc/resolv.conf, the warning doesn't actually apply to that file. |
| 14:29.35 | kazol | For example, now I am prompted about samba settings. |
| 14:29.41 | roe_ | ha |
| 14:29.52 | roe_ | I guess there is no way to escape the comments |
| 14:30.17 | liable | themill: better, but chattr should be removed entirely. its a fucking horrible hack, and i cant believe anyone here actually accepted it. |
| 14:30.36 | themill | liable: fair call... will do. |
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| 14:31.38 | orangey | hey all! |
| 14:31.39 | liable | especially when the same regulars give factoids about !unix lessons |
| 14:31.46 | themill | liable: can resolv.conf.d/base be used rather than head? |
| 14:31.48 | orangey | which provider do people like for OpenID? |
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| 14:32.34 | liable | themill: i dont actually know, i just have hatred for that particular fix |
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| 14:33.34 | kazol | I just added the "testing" source and performed "apt-get update"; apparently it installed unstable packages...how do I revert it? |
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| 14:33.51 | kazol | Now I'm prompted to restart services for a GNU libc library upgrade. |
| 14:33.55 | wols | kazol: update doesn't install anything |
| 14:34.09 | kazol | ok |
| 14:34.11 | wols | kazol: and what makes you think an unstable package was installed? |
| 14:34.21 | kazol | I guess it was from installing Xcache and php-mysql |
| 14:34.30 | wols | when upgrading to lenny, then yes a new libc6 will be installed |
| 14:34.43 | kazol | wols: I added the testing source so I could download xcache |
| 14:35.34 | wols | what package do you think is from unstable exactly? |
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| 14:36.09 | fdvbr | hello |
| 14:36.20 | wols | !hi |
| 14:36.21 | dpkg | hello, wols |
| 14:36.57 | fdvbr | :O |
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| 14:37.11 | liable | uh oh |
| 14:37.14 | wols | clone attack! |
| 14:37.20 | liable | troll alert |
| 14:37.21 | wols | or something along that line |
| 14:37.40 | kazol | wols: This is what I did - I added the "testing" source to /etc/apt/sources.list, then updated apt, then installed "lighttpd-mod-magnet php5-cgi php5-curl php5-mysql php5-xcache" |
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| 14:37.50 | fdvbr | kill them |
| 14:37.59 | wols | kazol: answer my question: why EXACTLY do you think you got sid package? |
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| 14:38.06 | wols | kazol: and which packages are those? |
| 14:38.08 | fdvbr | lame cloning |
| 14:38.27 | fdvbr | +login !bxtnxt0 |
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| 14:38.29 | fdvbr | lol |
| 14:38.29 | liable | !ops just a little pre troll wake up alert |
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| 14:38.31 | fdvbr | +reboot |
| 14:38.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: just a little pre troll wake up alert |
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| 14:38.42 | abrotman | dumb bots |
| 14:39.01 | jelly | yay. |
| 14:39.03 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
| 14:39.05 | kazol | wols: Because a lot of packages got installed and I'm being prompted to restart services for a libc lib upgrade. |
| 14:39.33 | wols | kazol: that is normal. you upgraded to lenny now (testing) you run now a mixed etch/lenny system which is bad |
| 14:39.52 | wols | kazol: either run pure etch or pure lenny. NOT a mix |
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| 14:39.56 | kazol | Great.... |
| 14:39.59 | \amethyst | kazol: you have, basically, partially upgraded to lenny (testing, not unstable). Your options are to complete the upgrade to lenny, or to reinstall |
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| 14:40.16 | \amethyst | kazol: next time, look in backports; the package xcache is available there |
| 14:40.21 | kazol | Shit, I can't believe I upgraded. |
| 14:40.25 | amphi | tardswarm... |
| 14:40.33 | kazol | Is there any way to revert this?? |
| 14:40.35 | wols | kazol: next time before you do such a stupid think, please ask us first and tell su your problem. you can (manually) remove pckages by checkin /var/log/dpkg.log and remove the ones just added |
| 14:40.44 | wols | kazol: only manually no automatic way |
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| 14:41.33 | wols | damn botnets |
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| 14:41.34 | kazol | wols, \amethyst: Will it be difficult to upgrade to lenny and how stable is it? |
| 14:41.45 | wols | !tell kazol about testing |
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| 14:41.52 | \amethyst | kazol: you can't go back to lenny easily, because dpkg/apt does support downgrading very well. If you have a list of packages that were upgraded, you can maybe install the old versions of those packages from /var/cache/apt |
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| 14:42.15 | wols | amphi: he has a list. dpkg.log |
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| 14:43.08 | abrotman | wonders who is doing the klining |
| 14:43.14 | amphi | \amethyst: why are you escaped, BTW? ;) |
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| 14:44.02 | \amethyst | amphi: so I beep at the front |
| 14:44.02 | kazol | I did "apt-get install lighttpd-mod-magnet php5-cgi php5-curl php5-xcache && apt-get remove --purge mysql-client-5.0" |
| 14:44.02 | amphi | heh |
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| 14:44.24 | wols | kazol: that won't tell anyone the dependencies. check the log file I told you about |
| 14:44.33 | DawnLight | why does /etc/sudoers say that i MUST use visudo? how can i script a change in /etc/sudoers like this? |
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| 14:44.53 | Kobaz | DawnLight: you dont need to use visudo, just use your favorite editor |
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| 14:45.09 | themill | Kobaz: wrong answer |
| 14:45.20 | wols | DawnLight: and if you fuck up you possibly have logged yourself out of your system. great job then |
| 14:45.21 | themill | DawnLight: read the first paragraph of man visudo |
| 14:45.28 | wols | themill: technically right, just daft |
| 14:45.34 | DawnLight | "This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. |
| 14:46.00 | \amethyst | same reason /etc/passwd must be edited with vipw |
| 14:46.09 | kazol | wols, \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/d14961e7a |
| 14:46.13 | themill | wols: you can use $EDITOR *with* visudo... |
| 14:46.18 | DawnLight | isn't really a MUST |
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| 14:46.34 | wols | themill: still he _can_ do it |
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| 14:47.04 | wols | kazol: I told you want you can do. I don't need to see that file |
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| 14:49.21 | Blackhold | themill: are you still here? |
| 14:49.24 | Misterjos | everytime i boot debian etch, i get this message that there is no IPv6 routers present, the problemis that this takes significant boot time, where can i disable this feature? there is no ipv6 in the interfaces list. |
| 14:49.39 | themill | Blackhold: no |
| 14:49.42 | Blackhold | :o |
| 14:49.51 | Blackhold | one little question about htdig... |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | Misterjos: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
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| 14:50.10 | Blackhold | I'm reading the website and don't find the answer... |
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| 14:50.19 | Blackhold | how to tell to htdig to search into pdf files? |
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| 14:50.54 | kazol | \amethyst: Ok, I'll first uninstall all packages that were just installed (hopefully all config files will remain) and install the old packages in /var/cache/apt. What about linux-headers? |
| 14:50.57 | Misterjos | oh thanks abrotman (i should have looked there, good howtos on that sites) |
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| 14:52.14 | kazol | Great, now I have unmet dependencies. |
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| 14:52.43 | mylvari | does someone know how i can make from 360° panorama image to "virtual world", on windows there is program called panorama maker but does it have any linux friends? :) |
| 14:53.14 | abrotman | mylvari: uhm .. there is a program to stitch images |
| 14:53.37 | abrotman | mylvari: hugin ? |
| 14:53.49 | abrotman | @info hugin |
| 14:54.11 | abrotman | erm .. all the bots hate me |
| 14:54.20 | abrotman | ravenbird: info hugin |
| 14:54.29 | mylvari | yes but i feel that hugin doesn't have that 3d world making feature |
| 14:54.41 | abrotman | oh .. that i don't konw |
| 14:54.49 | kazol | Should I uninstall "linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7"? |
| 14:54.49 | ronr | is there a passwordmanager that can be shared among multiple users? |
| 14:54.52 | kazol | Or just keep it? |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | maybe ask #blender if they have something or know of something ? |
| 14:55.07 | ronr | so one 'kwallet' that everyone can access |
| 14:55.25 | mylvari | abrotman thans for advice i'll try :) |
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| 14:56.17 | ravenbird | hugin: (a Panorama Tools GUI to make panoramas from multiple pictures), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.6.1-1.4 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 14:56.23 | dimsuz | hi guys! After recent update (on debian testing) emacs behaves very strange - whenever i type "if(smth...." to be long enough - and then close parenthesis, it inserts "..." and jumps to the next line. happens in c++mode |
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| 14:56.48 | maligor | abrotman, heh, I think hugin is the best "they" can offer |
| 14:57.15 | maligor | that's what the photo-dudes there use anyway |
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| 14:57.38 | kazol | Of course, everyone ignore me. |
| 14:57.43 | kazol | I'll reinstall...what to do. |
| 14:57.50 | amphi | /ignore kazol |
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| 14:58.12 | wols | kazol: we told you what to do |
| 14:58.25 | wols | asking several times again won't change what we say |
| 14:58.37 | kazol | wols: But wouldn't it be more practical to backup all config files and reinstall? |
| 14:59.01 | wols | your choice |
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| 15:00.30 | kazol | wols: So would I run the installer, then specify the existing md devices (for the mountpoints)? |
| 15:00.43 | kazol | wols: Wouldn't /home be overwritten? |
| 15:00.55 | wols | yes |
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| 15:01.14 | kazol | wols: How would I prevent that? |
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| 15:02.53 | kazol | How would I install without /home being overwritten? |
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| 15:03.13 | wols | move /home out of the way. and make a backup of it |
| 15:03.56 | amphi | kazol: it's a good idea to have /home on its own partition, IMHO |
| 15:04.16 | kazol | amphi: I have 5 separate partitions (including /home) assigned to md devices. |
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| 15:04.19 | DawnLight | how can i remove that message when a user first uses sudo? |
| 15:04.31 | kazol | Actually 6 |
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| 15:04.53 | amphi | kazol: ah |
| 15:04.55 | E-bola | Anybody know why nmap requires root to do a "service guess" scan? |
| 15:05.12 | kazol | amphi: So...how would I install it? |
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| 15:10.12 | moshii | E-bola: probably to do with the type of packets it wants to send |
| 15:10.23 | jelly | and here we go again. |
| 15:10.24 | E-bola | ya i got around it now |
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| 15:21.03 | alvarezp | E-bola: the one I don't get is why it needs root to send ICMP ping scans. |
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| 15:21.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question: What do I do if my touchscreen's touch device isn't recognized? |
| 15:21.44 | KammyDoe | Answer: Moan about it |
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| 15:22.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | /wrists |
| 15:22.30 | Nazz | write a device driver |
| 15:22.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | Nazz: That was what I was hoping I didn't have to do, but I'll do it if I need to |
| 15:22.58 | Nazz | what's your touchscreen |
| 15:22.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've never done Linux programming, but I'll learn |
| 15:23.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | Excellent question. I've got two, neither are recognized by synaptic |
| 15:23.36 | Nazz | dont you have a booklet or something you need the brand at least |
| 15:23.49 | et | how do you set the cpufreq governor to be enabled at startup? |
| 15:24.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | I have one NEC PW-Wl10-01, the other is a Fujitsu fmV-670MC3 |
| 15:24.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | one's a tablet, one's a subnotebook |
| 15:25.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | hwinfo on the tablet reveals nothing about an input device other than the internal keyboard (some media buttons around the screen) |
| 15:25.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | The other one I haven't run hwinfo on yet |
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| 15:27.27 | Nazz | have you tried looking for options at kernel level |
| 15:27.35 | Nazz | may be touch screen drivers dont load by default |
| 15:28.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | not positive what I would be checking for or where I would check for it, honestl |
| 15:28.33 | Blast_Hardcheese | *y |
| 15:29.07 | Nazz | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
| 15:29.39 | Nazz | the first kernel recompile is always fun :-) |
| 15:30.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | :) |
| 15:30.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | on a 700mhz this is going to be fun |
| 15:31.05 | maligor | like enabling features that read (EXPERIMENTAL, MAY CAUSE SPONTANEOUS EXPLOSIONS) |
| 15:31.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | Neato. |
| 15:32.31 | ootput | do any o fyou still use bittornado? is it still a worthwhile tool? |
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| 15:33.34 | KammyDoe | ootput; Transmission. End of story. |
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| 15:34.08 | ootput | not even rtorrent, and good ol bittorrent? |
| 15:34.18 | ootput | KammyDoe: convince me :) |
| 15:34.32 | KammyDoe | Sexy. Fast. Easy. |
| 15:34.34 | KammyDoe | Small. |
| 15:34.46 | jwisher | what is the command to get a list of partition info please? |
| 15:34.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | rtorrent wins either way. |
| 15:34.50 | teamcobra | azureus here.... I have to deal w/ too many "bad" isps |
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| 15:35.10 | ootput | jwisher: /proc/partitions |
| 15:35.19 | teamcobra | the encrypted transport settings come in handy :/ |
| 15:35.26 | ootput | jwisher: wait, what sort of info are you after? |
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| 15:36.48 | claint | how did you choose the system version between two installed alternatives? for example how did you choose python 2.4 for the system if you got two versions installed? |
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| 15:37.10 | wols | update-alternatives |
| 15:37.27 | roe_ | anyone know what package I need to be able to read UFS? |
| 15:37.30 | jwisher | there was a 4 letter command I was after |
| 15:37.48 | jwisher | it gives a list of where which directory is stored like /var /home /etc |
| 15:38.01 | jwisher | something like that anyway |
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| 15:39.25 | jwisher | oh no wait it was 2 letters, and it is df! I remember! yay. |
| 15:39.35 | jwisher | thanks |
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| 15:41.09 | bernard | hello |
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| 15:42.14 | bernard | I'm trying to build a package but I get this error : "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libpthread.so.0 ..." while libpthread.so.0 is in /lib/ and /lib/ is in my $LD_LIBRARY_PATH. What's wrong? |
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| 15:43.32 | BW^- | why: ./a.out: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_thread-gcc41-mt-1_34_1.so.1.34.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory when: ls /usr/local/lib/libboost_thread-gcc41-mt-1_34_1.so.1.34.1 shows it exists ? |
| 15:43.53 | amphi | bernard: the headers are installed? |
| 15:44.05 | seriouslycgi | just a quick question, sometimes i start my debian box and the hdd starts thrashing, i su and the top and the application is find..... is it normal for find to start for no reason? |
| 15:44.22 | bernard | amphi: what headers? |
| 15:44.25 | BW^- | seriouslycgi: update of locatedb ? |
| 15:45.17 | seriouslycgi | BW^-, so thats normal? |
| 15:45.18 | ootput | seriouslycgi: go through the init scripts |
| 15:45.21 | bernard | amphi: it's the first I build a package from scratch so I maay ask silly questions |
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| 15:46.48 | amphi | bernard: the relevant -dev package |
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| 15:48.12 | bernard | amphi: oh. I guess they aren't |
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| 15:48.26 | koolhead17 | I all please please please help me |
| 15:48.32 | koolhead17 | am all screwed |
| 15:48.33 | koolhead17 | :( |
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| 15:49.06 | koolhead17 | I played around with apache for configuring virtualhost |
| 15:49.15 | bernard | amphi: hmm, they are : it's the libc6-dev package |
| 15:49.50 | koolhead17 | [Thu Jul 17 00:42:07 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /htdocs |
| 15:49.53 | koolhead17 | am getting this error |
| 15:49.54 | seriouslycgi | koolhead17, apache.org has a huge manual and its awesome for answering any questions |
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| 15:50.50 | koolhead17 | seriouslycgi: I don`t have much time and most probably things will get worsed if not able to fix thi up |
| 15:50.58 | koolhead17 | :( |
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| 15:51.58 | koolhead17 | I just don`t know which file I screwd up that I started getting this error |
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| 15:52.34 | koolhead17 | accessing the file with localhost says the The requested URL /date.php was not found on this server. |
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| 15:52.35 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 15:53.13 | Peanut | Hi - how can I see the full name of a package when using dpkg -l ? Or is there another option to dpkg to show the full name? The 'concise' output from dpkg truncates part of the name. |
| 15:53.17 | burd | messing around with lenny and it has occurred to me that xmms is simply a backend now, there is no decent mp3 player available with things like soundscopes or anything or am I missing something? any sugestions for a great mp3 player with visual plugins? |
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| 15:55.55 | seriouslycgi | koolhead17, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/18 http://www.debuntu.org/2006/02/22/7-virtual-hosting-using-apache-2 http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/9/17/debian-etch-apache-virtual-hosts |
| 15:56.12 | koolhead17 | seriouslycgi: I follwed one of them |
| 15:56.28 | seriouslycgi | then go back and recheck |
| 15:56.33 | koolhead17 | but the erroe am now getting is taking everythin away from me |
| 15:56.34 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 15:56.38 | koolhead17 | The requested URL /date.php was not found on this server. |
| 15:56.42 | koolhead17 | why am getting this |
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| 15:56.50 | koolhead17 | when file existes in /var/www |
| 15:56.51 | koolhead17 | :( |
| 15:56.53 | seriouslycgi | probably did somethign wrong |
| 15:57.15 | seriouslycgi | i think (not sure) each domain has its own folder. |
| 15:57.57 | burd | koolhead17: that error is a basic newby mistake.. you have an error in your configuration that you need to recheck.. if you want you can paste it in pastebin or msg me with it and I will help |
| 15:58.22 | koolhead17 | burd: thanks |
| 15:58.26 | seriouslycgi | thanks burd i dont know enough about apache to help any more lol |
| 15:58.36 | burd | this is a simple fix |
| 16:00.25 | Peanut | Ah ok, found a solution: I have to use dpkg-search -W <pattern> |
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| 16:01.13 | dan2 | are there any tools that can take a shared binary and create a tar of the binary and all the libs |
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| 16:04.06 | terror | hi, i where can i get linux 11 for debian?? |
| 16:04.33 | seriouslycgi | terror whats linux 11? |
| 16:04.35 | amphi | terror: what you say? |
| 16:04.42 | rsk | linux 11? :D |
| 16:04.48 | seriouslycgi | or linux 101? |
| 16:05.18 | terror | i dunno i read something about linux 11 |
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| 16:05.25 | rsk | terror: what is it? |
| 16:05.51 | seriouslycgi | can you please say it in the sentence you read it in |
| 16:05.57 | terror | i have no idea i never used linux before |
| 16:06.00 | maligor | It'll be released in 2052 |
| 16:06.06 | seriouslycgi | you want to learn linux? |
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| 16:06.13 | maligor | timetravelling software |
| 16:06.14 | seriouslycgi | lol maligor |
| 16:06.14 | n3kl | Why can't you reduce an xfs partition? |
| 16:06.45 | maligor | terror, closest thing I can think of is OpenSuse 11 |
| 16:06.50 | DeFender1031 | hi, i just dist upgraded, and all of a sudden my computer is running gnome now. How do i remove gnome and make it go back to using kde? |
| 16:07.09 | n3kl | DeFender1031: what login manager are you using? |
| 16:07.11 | terror | oh |
| 16:07.38 | lindenle | Hi i am getting the error Error inserting openafs Cannot allocate memory with 1.4.7.dfsg1-3 |
| 16:07.45 | seriouslycgi | terror what are you using now? windows? |
| 16:07.46 | DeFender1031 | n3kl, no idea |
| 16:07.46 | maligor | can't think of any other version 11 release of recent |
| 16:07.47 | terror | maligor: that might be it |
| 16:07.52 | DeFender1031 | how do i check? |
| 16:07.53 | terror | i am using a macbook |
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| 16:08.02 | SparFux | The debian package lists from the servers or mirrors ARE signed. Seems like the news about insecure package management is simply wrong as far as debian is concerned. |
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| 16:08.12 | seriouslycgi | terror, and you want to try linux? |
| 16:08.14 | n3kl | DeFender1031: uh, there is a setting on your login manager to choose a different desktop manager. I bet kde is still an option |
| 16:08.17 | terror | yes |
| 16:08.25 | Misterjos | ok, i formatted a disk (mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdc) but i get a message while booting where i have to press enter, something to do with /scripts/local-premount and libgcrypt, when i look in dmesg i see following message: " sdc: unknown partition table", do i have to make a partition sdc1 in sdc to make it work? |
| 16:08.30 | DeFender1031 | n3kl, okay, how do i make it the default? |
| 16:08.42 | seriouslycgi | terror, and you saw opensuse 11 talked about somewhere? |
| 16:09.07 | n3kl | DeFender1031: log out of the machine, there should be a graphical login, I am guessing. There should be a sessions button or something that you can set the desktop manager. |
| 16:09.23 | DeFender1031 | okay. i'll see you in a bit |
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| 16:09.37 | terror | seriouslycgi: novells linux 11 |
| 16:09.45 | seriouslycgi | thats the one |
| 16:09.52 | seriouslycgi | novell make opensuse |
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| 16:11.12 | terror | i read about it here http://novell.on.nimp.org/intro/introduction_to_linux.php |
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| 16:11.49 | KammyDoe | How can I speed up my Debian boot time? |
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| 16:12.13 | castoff | Misterjos you use fdisk to make the partition and then mkfs on the new partition |
| 16:12.32 | seriouslycgi | i havent used a macbook so i cant say weather or not it will go well, google shows positives and some failures (maybe outdated) |
| 16:12.38 | seriouslycgi | harsh lol |
| 16:12.52 | Misterjos | so making a partition sdc1 in sdc is necessary? |
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| 16:13.15 | seriouslycgi | oh good call tomaw |
| 16:13.21 | wols | not necessry. but you still should |
| 16:13.25 | castoff | Misterjos yes |
| 16:13.30 | n3kl | tomfmason: thanks |
| 16:13.30 | wols | castoff: not true |
| 16:13.38 | Misterjos | ok, thanks castoff |
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| 16:13.58 | amphi | Misterjos: you can use the raw device if you want, without partitioning |
| 16:14.02 | castoff | wols pls explain |
| 16:14.19 | wols | it's simply not necessary |
| 16:14.21 | amphi | Misterjos: you can mkfs /dev/sdc |
| 16:14.29 | wols | linux will happily create a filesystem on sdc and mount it |
| 16:14.29 | castoff | wols unless you are talking LVM |
| 16:14.35 | wols | no I am not |
| 16:15.01 | castoff | wols hum...ok i learned something |
| 16:15.14 | wols | it's uaually not a good idea to do so, but you can |
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| 16:15.40 | wols | e.g. windows will freak out when it sees it. booting from that disk might be hard too, etc. but it's doable |
| 16:15.54 | DeFender1031 | n3kl, yeah, that worked. thanks |
| 16:16.02 | ootput | some cell phone (internal) memory configurations have a fs on eg. sdc |
| 16:16.05 | amphi | Misterjos: grub can't boot off such, AFAIK - you must use lilo if you want to boot from it, I believe |
| 16:16.10 | castoff | wols ok...thanks for the insight |
| 16:16.10 | DeFender1031 | i wish all my problems were this simple |
| 16:16.10 | Misterjos | its just a storage disk, so i didnt thought it would be necessary |
| 16:16.28 | amphi | Misterjos: in that case, it's not necessary |
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| 16:16.44 | Misterjos | except that i have to press enter every time at bootup |
| 16:17.13 | ootput | what does that mean? |
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| 16:20.18 | n3kl | Anyone know how I can remove a url from my saved session? That terror link fscked me up. |
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| 16:20.38 | wols | what browser would help |
| 16:20.45 | n3kl | right... firefox |
| 16:20.56 | wols | the crystal ball broke last week. stillnot enough info |
| 16:20.57 | justin | n3kl: the delete key |
| 16:21.16 | n3kl | justin: from which file? |
| 16:21.44 | justin | n3kl: uh.. from the autocomplete drop down in firefox |
| 16:21.44 | wols | n3kl: nonsensical question |
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| 16:22.47 | n3kl | No, I kill firefox everytime so that it asks me if I want to restore the session. I like being able to have all my tabs already there. |
| 16:23.14 | n3kl | how do I remove a tab from that list? |
| 16:23.37 | justin | n3kl: don't restore the session? |
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| 16:23.58 | n3kl | g |
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| 16:25.16 | ootput | senses dwindling telepathic powers |
| 16:26.06 | wols | n3kl: don't kill then and ffox has a session manager. if not in the basic build then as a extenion use it |
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| 16:26.23 | ootput | n3kl: it depends on whether or not you're using a 3rd party session manager. I'd suggest that you dig around in .mozilla/firefox/* |
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| 16:26.53 | n3kl | Ahh |
| 16:27.02 | htmlol | heey guys |
| 16:27.12 | htmlol | I have an old desktop |
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| 16:27.27 | htmlol | and I want to put a wireless card in it |
| 16:27.34 | n3kl | I am freaking discusted |
| 16:27.41 | DeFender1031 | n3kl, iceweasel 3 asks if you want to save your tabs when you quit |
| 16:27.51 | htmlol | Does anyone have any suggestions on a good wireless card that works well with debian? |
| 16:27.55 | n3kl | DeFender1031: thats in lenny only though, right? |
| 16:28.01 | n3kl | htmlol: intel |
| 16:28.05 | wols | htmlol: intel, atheros |
| 16:28.12 | DeFender1031 | n3kl, could very well be. i AM running lenny |
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| 16:28.14 | wols | n3kl: intel makes no cards unfortunately |
| 16:28.25 | DeFender1031 | i like that feature though :P |
| 16:28.31 | htmlol | yeah, I always see atheros name thrown around |
| 16:28.37 | htmlol | but I've never actually seen one in stores |
| 16:28.38 | n3kl | wols: what do you mean? I have one? |
| 16:28.52 | n3kl | wols: or are you going to be uber specific and say "intel chip" |
| 16:28.56 | htmlol | this is a desktop wireless card, mind you |
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| 16:29.25 | n3kl | htmlol: most netgear use the atheros chips, which work nice |
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| 16:30.02 | htmlol | ooh ok thanks |
| 16:30.10 | wols | n3kl: intel only sells them in their laptops as part of the chipset basically. sometimes mini pci |
| 16:30.14 | wols | nothing for desktop us |
| 16:30.15 | wols | e |
| 16:30.19 | ootput | atheros' are generally okay. A few of them are a bitch to get working |
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| 16:30.23 | n3kl | wols: Ah |
| 16:30.54 | wols | if they did I'd get one immediately |
| 16:30.58 | n3kl | I always check kernel support before I purchase |
| 16:31.12 | ootput | htmlol: google around for cards with open firmware. they generally perform well under heavy load |
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| 16:31.26 | wols | ootput: like ralink *g*? |
| 16:31.42 | ootput | :) |
| 16:31.53 | wols | ootput: so your advice is questionable at best imho |
| 16:31.59 | wols | what others are there with "open firmware"? |
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| 16:32.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | Holy balls there are a lot of options in the kernel configuration |
| 16:33.10 | n3kl | Blast_Hardcheese: man up! |
| 16:33.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | ? |
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| 16:33.33 | ootput | toughen up, soldier |
| 16:33.46 | wols | ootput: what others are there with "open firmware"? |
| 16:34.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | n3k1: No manual entry for up! ;) |
| 16:34.36 | ootput | wols: i somehow mistook his query for one on routers |
| 16:34.48 | ootput | wols: it's late |
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| 16:34.53 | n3kl | Blast_Hardcheese: =] |
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| 16:35.30 | Misterjos | ok, the message on boot wasn't due to my HD partitioning, because dmesg shows everything is fine, but i still have this message on boot: "resume: could not stat the resume device file. Please type in the file name to try again or press ENTER to boot the system" i get this message after i formatted my sdc, but on my sdc was on older debian OS that was listed in grub/menu.lst where i deleted the related lines. |
| 16:35.55 | keanu | trying to use tc, but keep getting an error: # tc qdisc del dev eth0 root [break] RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory - any ideas why? |
| 16:36.08 | justin | Misterjos: you have resume=something in your menu.lst? |
| 16:36.16 | ootput | Misterjos: check for resume entry |
| 16:36.59 | twobitwork | I think my hard drive just crashed, but I'd like a second opinion. When I rebooted, I got a lot of error messages from the kernel about sda errors. Now I'm in knoppix trying to fsck it and I get this: http://pastebin.com/m6df33412 |
| 16:37.17 | justin | twobitwork: dmesg |
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| 16:37.30 | ootput | I didn't know that it was a showstopper though. That message would pop up and the system would continue booting without user intervention (ime) |
| 16:37.40 | pumpkin0 | twobitwork: and smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 16:38.01 | twobitwork | justin: I have a lot of "Buffer I/O error on device sda3, logical block 31375 |
| 16:38.02 | twobitwork | " |
| 16:38.06 | twobitwork | thos kinds of things |
| 16:38.22 | n3kl | can you only have one vg per pv lvm? |
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| 16:38.45 | newsense | that is so cool |
| 16:38.53 | twobitwork | pumpkin0: I'll try that in a sec... trying fsck again with different options |
| 16:39.19 | Misterjos | there is no "resume=..." in my grub/menu.lst justin, although, i commented two lines : # titleOther operating systems: |
| 16:39.19 | Misterjos | # root |
| 16:39.19 | Misterjos | which i thought wouldnt be uncommented |
| 16:39.19 | bkw | Does debian apache2-mpm-prefork come with LFS? My apache stops working when some files get larger than 2G :( |
| 16:39.36 | pumpkin0 | twobitwork: stop fsck, start backuping. i geuss dd_rescue could et at least some data ... |
| 16:40.09 | twobitwork | pumpkin0: well... I'm running it with -cc which means it does a non-destructive read-write block test |
| 16:40.41 | pumpkin0 | twobitwork: Anything can push the driver over the edge now. Do you have backups ? |
| 16:40.41 | justin | twobitwork: that isn't going to tell you anything that you don't already know |
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| 16:41.11 | fr00g_ | are there any open source tools to flash cell phone? |
| 16:41.12 | twobitwork | pumpkin0: old back ups... I have about 2 weeks worth of work which would be lost |
| 16:41.36 | pumpkin0 | twobitwork: ... mount in ro and try to copy. |
| 16:41.44 | ootput | fr00g_: i doubt it |
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| 16:43.40 | keanu | any ideas why tc is giving me that error? |
| 16:44.08 | justin | keanu: you're trying to delete something that doesn't exist |
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| 16:44.34 | twobitwork | pumpkin0: mount seems to be hung |
| 16:44.46 | justin | twobitwork: dmesg again |
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| 16:45.02 | twobitwork | justin: ATA: abnormal status 0xD0 on port 0x1F7 |
| 16:45.16 | pumpkin0 | twobitwork: backup with dd_rescue or kiss you data goodbye. |
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| 16:46.10 | oranger | hi , what mean ' make: invalid option -- 1 ' ?? |
| 16:46.20 | keanu | justin, i also did "tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 24mbit ceil 98mbit burst 15k" (first part of a set of commands someone gave me) and had the same error |
| 16:46.50 | unixSnob | liable: you might be interested to hear what my problem was... I was about to disable network-manager as you suggested, and I discovered the part of the GUI where I could configure WPA. |
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| 16:47.23 | Peanut | I have a Debian Etch - but would like to install Cacti from 'Unstable'. But if I do 'apt-get -t unstable install cacti' I end up with the Etch version of Cacti, and not the release that is in Unstable - any hints? |
| 16:47.30 | unixSnob | liable: it turns out that I was originally going to "Desktop:Administration:Networking", which only gives WEP as an option. |
| 16:47.32 | justin | keanu: tc class show dev eth0? |
| 16:47.50 | unixSnob | liable: but clicking the tray icon gives me WPA etc.. |
| 16:47.52 | keanu | justin, empty |
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| 16:48.18 | twobitwork | hm... mount is still hung and kill -9 isn't stopping it |
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| 16:49.04 | ootput | Peanut: are u sure your sources points to Unstable? |
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| 16:49.49 | Peanut | ootput: do you mean the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 16:49.57 | justin | keanu: ah, you probably need to load some modules |
| 16:50.07 | ootput | Peanut: how are you determining which versions are in which repos? there's a chance that your local repo isn't quite synced |
| 16:50.25 | keanu | justin, I'm not too familiar with iptables/tc - what modules do I need to load? |
| 16:50.35 | ootput | Peanut: yes |
| 16:50.36 | Peanut | ootput: actually, I look at packages.debian.org - Etch has cacti-0.8.6i, Unstable has cacti-0.8.7b |
| 16:50.55 | jegr | hello, I'm having a small problem with iptraf on etch - windows are drawn without edges. Midnight Commander looks ok at the same time. Any ideas ? |
| 16:51.19 | ootput | jegr: iptraf may require larger workspace |
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| 16:51.57 | jegr | ootput, iptraf looked ok on sarge with workspace of the same size (fb console) |
| 16:52.22 | justin | keanu: not sure actually.. might be that etch doesn't support the htb stuff.. |
| 16:53.02 | keanu | justin, would a kernel upgrade fix that? |
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| 16:53.12 | keanu | (the supporting htb stuff) |
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| 16:53.25 | justin | keanu: hmmm, try installing wondershaper |
| 16:53.53 | wols | keanu: debian kernel already supports it |
| 16:53.59 | keanu | wols, ok |
| 16:54.05 | wols | afaik |
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| 16:54.17 | justin | wols: it seems to want /usr/lib/tc/q_htb.so |
| 16:54.30 | wols | justin: that's not a kernel part is it? |
| 16:54.39 | justin | noope :) |
| 16:54.41 | wols | yes it does support just checked |
| 16:55.42 | justin | yeah, wshaper.htb works on etch, your commands must just be wrong |
| 16:55.49 | keanu | justin, wondershaper appears to work, but it's not exactly what i'm looking for |
| 16:56.04 | justin | keanu: apt-get source wondershaper, look at wshaper.htb |
| 16:56.20 | wols | keanu: lartc.org. QoS is never straightforward and needs lots of knowlegde and research |
| 16:56.50 | keanu | wols, ok, thanks |
| 16:57.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | So... Is there anything I should look for to see if I can get my touchscreen to work without writing a driver? I'd rather not duplicate someone else's work |
| 16:57.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | It doesn't show up in /dev/input/, |
| 16:57.45 | Blast_Hardcheese | I don't know where else to look for it though |
| 16:57.48 | abrotman | does anyone know of a terminal emulator(F/OSS) that does tvi950 emulation ? |
| 16:58.21 | keanu | justin, looking at it - i'll see if I can use that to get the above command working |
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| 16:58.58 | vostor | hi all who install Debian r4.0 on DELL VOSTRO 1400 ? |
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| 16:59.02 | wols | Blast_Hardcheese: usb, pci? |
| 16:59.08 | wols | !what's my hardware |
| 16:59.08 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 17:02.13 | vostor | who is install Linux on DELL VOSTRO notebook series ? problems detect network adapter "broadcom" |
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| 17:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !broadcom |
| 17:07.25 | dpkg | [broadcom] a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43> |
| 17:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | msg the bot about bcm43xx and b43 for more specific things... (if that fits your hardware) |
| 17:08.19 | avu | dibbler! |
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| 17:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu! |
| 17:09.01 | avu | just read about you, trying to sell rats with ketchup to dwarfs |
| 17:09.10 | hipodilski | I'm intending to buy some hardware raid but I would like it to be linux compatible is there some hardware raid brandname known to be better compatible with linux? |
| 17:09.18 | hipodilski | and in particular with debian |
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| 17:10.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | wols: lshw doesn't see my touchscreen |
| 17:10.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | :\ |
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| 17:10.30 | wols | Blast_Hardcheese: google the model then |
| 17:10.31 | ootput | avu: yum |
| 17:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu: sausage inna bun? |
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| 17:11.43 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, nah, you tried to diversify beyond the human needs and tested some dwarf and troll specific products |
| 17:11.51 | jetx | greetings earthlings |
| 17:11.52 | gkffjcs | Hey all, is there a debian based distro that supports kde4 better than kubuntu. Sort of like suse, only based on debian and with apt? |
| 17:12.23 | avu | gkffjcs, only debian is supported here, debian based distributions are not. |
| 17:12.27 | jetx | they don't do based on debian here, you might try distrowatch, or how about #redux |
| 17:12.43 | avu | gkffjcs, there have however been people using kde4 in sid with packages from experimental |
| 17:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hipodilski: we got an hardware raid, that was just connected to a single ide port - that was expensive, but pretty nice - the system never even knew about the RAID... and that's what I would call "hardware raid" - I think the problem with most "hardware raids" is, that part of them still runs as software, so they're pretty useless |
| 17:12.52 | avu | gkffjcs, that's not for the weak of herat though |
| 17:12.55 | jetx | redux is a fork of kanotix, and kanotix was good |
| 17:13.28 | streuner | looks for a smite in order to give an answer for jetx... |
| 17:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu: well, I got some nice marble or granite |
| 17:13.35 | jetx | !britsmite streuner |
| 17:13.36 | dpkg | takes away streuner's yorkshire pudding |
| 17:13.45 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, but it's stale :( |
| 17:13.49 | hipodilski | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 17:13.54 | streuner | !blairsmite jetx |
| 17:13.54 | gkffjcs | allright, Ille look into it. |
| 17:13.54 | dpkg | spins jetx at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 17:13.58 | gkffjcs | thanks. |
| 17:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu: it's rock! how can rock become stale?! |
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| 17:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... "sorta like suse, but with apt" - install apt under suse? |
| 17:14.35 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, ask a troll. but be sure to ice its head before you do |
| 17:14.35 | teamcobra | hipodilski, CutMeOwnThroat is right, especially if you're going w/ 4 sata drives, then a true hw raid card is about $400 |
| 17:14.38 | jetx | <S>treuner- |
| 17:14.40 | hipodilski | CutMeOwnThroat: that's why I asked if somebody can point me to a specific vendor |
| 17:15.01 | hipodilski | teamcobra: I would like to have SATA RAID 1 |
| 17:15.21 | teamcobra | I ran into this w/ proxmox ve, decided to just go mdadm/linux soft raid 5 and help the proxmox folks make debian packages instead ;p ;p |
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| 17:15.56 | jetx | is doing >1gig of updates |
| 17:16.02 | jetx | :/ |
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| 17:16.21 | teamcobra | if the card is worth the silicon it's made of, it should be completely transparent, no matter what os |
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| 17:16.24 | jetx | hey how do you redraw the screen in irssi |
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| 17:16.31 | streuner | jetx: ever tried a driver installation in vista for a 5610 printer? |
| 17:16.33 | teamcobra | but I can't give you a specific vendor, sorry :/ |
| 17:16.51 | jetx | streuner: i have yet to install vista. ms gave me a copy, but... |
| 17:16.56 | streuner | jetx: iam working on this since 2 hours and this fucking crap isn't finished yet... |
| 17:17.25 | streuner | jetx: under Debian its about 10 minutes |
| 17:17.51 | jetx | ugh this radeon i guess is making irssi have lots of leftover chars |
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| 17:17.58 | jetx | i can't read anymore |
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| 17:19.25 | pngwn | jetx, /redraw |
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| 17:20.42 | vostor | who is gooru notebook series VOSTRO ? |
| 17:21.00 | _Progress_ | hi, i use kernel from kernel.org and i want to compile new alsa 1.0.17. Must i recompile the kernel or just alsa-lib or somethink?!? |
| 17:21.03 | valdyn | !tell vostor -about ask |
| 17:21.23 | valdyn | _Progress_: just the alsa drivers |
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| 17:21.30 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody |
| 17:21.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | wols: Apparently this is the xf86 config of someone's Lifebook: http://www.fmworld.net/biz/fmv/annc/linux/02_Winter/XConfig/x_fmv_life_mc3_rh.html |
| 17:21.48 | wols | PriceChild: only the alsa modules |
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| 17:22.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | wols: That's all I could find short of taking it apart, which I'd rather not do since it's a subnotebook |
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| 17:24.13 | TuxCrafter | I got a question about the policy regarding the patching of openoffice thunderbird and similar programs to use a standard gtk-open en gtk-close dialog. I currently use debian sid with openoffice 2.4 and the default dialog is very alien compared to the rest of my gtk environment. Is there any information about the debian policy regarding this? |
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| 17:24.40 | TuxCrafter | s/gtk-close/gtk-print/ |
| 17:24.42 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: thats not about policy but about features |
| 17:24.43 | bjwebb | hmmm, i kept back one of my packages |
| 17:24.43 | bjwebb | how do i tell it to stop keeping it back? |
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| 17:24.58 | wols | !kept back |
| 17:24.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 17:25.18 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: openoffice.org-gnome and openoffice.org-gtk are packages you might want to look into |
| 17:25.24 | bjwebb | hmmm, i put it on hold manually |
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| 17:25.44 | bjwebb | how do i remove the manual lock? |
| 17:25.53 | valdyn | !held back |
| 17:25.54 | dpkg | well, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 17:26.02 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: openoffice.org-gtk is already the newest version |
| 17:26.05 | et | s/dist/(dist|full)/ |
| 17:26.15 | Spec | In Debian, what shell is used to execute init.d scripts? /bin/sh or /bin/bash? |
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| 17:26.34 | valdyn | Spec: why dont you look it up? |
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| 17:27.00 | milligan_ | I reinstalled alsa, and now I've lost sound. I've run alsaconf, and it detected the card and everything looks good .. sound just doesn't work. Any ideas? Running lenny. |
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| 17:27.10 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 17:27.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:27.16 | amphi | milligan_: have you unmuted the channels in alsamixer? |
| 17:27.23 | lolie | could someone gimme ftp to download Debian plz? |
| 17:27.27 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: so is it policy to adjust non gtk packages with gtk rendering with default open print save dialogs ...? Do you know a link with more information about this? |
| 17:27.29 | milligan_ | amphi, yep |
| 17:27.33 | Spec | valdyn: look it up where? doesn't seem to have it here; http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 17:27.38 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: debian does not police such things |
| 17:27.42 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: stop talking about policy |
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| 17:28.08 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: how do i have to look at it then, (fedora has it as policy) |
| 17:28.18 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: this is entirely up to the maintainers of the package(s) that provide features |
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| 17:28.27 | bjwebb | ah, found the fix |
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| 17:28.55 | milligan_ | amphi, When I try to run alsamixer now, I get "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 17:29.04 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: far as i know newer debian releases use the gnome/gtk dialogues |
| 17:29.11 | wols | milligan_: checked your logs? |
| 17:29.28 | Repossessed | Is there a way to keep iceweasel from trying to access a specific site? |
| 17:29.30 | milligan_ | wols, which log should I be checking ? |
| 17:29.30 | amphi | milligan_: sounds like the module isn't loaded |
| 17:29.37 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: nevermind, they dont |
| 17:29.52 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: so there are no "ground rules" to patch mainstream programmes to use gtk dialogs where possible? |
| 17:30.01 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: your only "person" to talk to can be the maintainer(s) of the relevant package(s= |
| 17:30.04 | milligan_ | amphi, yeah.. how can I install the module ? |
| 17:30.12 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: right, there isnt |
| 17:30.16 | amphi | modprobe |
| 17:30.18 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: hmm ok |
| 17:30.25 | wols | what soundchip? |
| 17:30.25 | TuxCrafter | thank explains some things |
| 17:30.36 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: its only a feature, an additional package may provide an additional feature or not |
| 17:30.46 | alys | I cannot get DVDs to work with Debian - they just don't run. However, on the very same computer, gxine will display DVDs perfectly using Puppy Linux. Any ideas, please? |
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| 17:30.54 | milligan_ | wols, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 17:31.05 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: thats entirely up to anyone willing and commited to upload such a package |
| 17:31.06 | wols | alys: libdvdcss2 or such installed? |
| 17:31.18 | wols | hda_intel it is |
| 17:31.22 | alys | Thanks, wols - I shall look at that... |
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| 17:32.15 | lolie | could anyone tell me where i could grab debian? |
| 17:32.22 | valdyn | lolie: why ask us? |
| 17:32.32 | lolie | #debian |
| 17:32.35 | valdyn | lolie: instead of say http://www.debian.org/ or google |
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| 17:33.01 | wols | !tell lolie about ig |
| 17:33.03 | milligan_ | wols, any idea what module I need to probe for that onboard chip ? |
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| 17:33.10 | wols | milligan_: I just told you |
| 17:33.16 | milligan_ | ah |
| 17:33.18 | milligan_ | sorry, missed it |
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| 17:33.26 | themill | milligan_: what kernel are you using? (uname -r) |
| 17:33.29 | valdyn | lolie: the website is alot more complete about that than we can ever be |
| 17:33.39 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: hmm intresting i am a heavy debian user, but sometimes cooperate with fedora developers and they have included it in there distribution quality assurance to make programs fitting and non alien to the users environment as possible. |
| 17:33.42 | milligan_ | themill, 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 17:34.01 | et | control-l? |
| 17:34.03 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: thats nothing that debian does or ever did |
| 17:34.04 | TuxCrafter | but on debian i have to contact the maintainers of the individual packages to see if changes are possible? |
| 17:34.16 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: debian does not try to be consistent in looks anywhere |
| 17:34.22 | milligan_ | wols, I reinstalled alsa, and now I've lost sound. I've run alsaconf, and it detected the card and everything looks good .. sound just doesn't work. Any ideas? Running lenny. |
| 17:34.24 | milligan_ | wops |
| 17:34.25 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: it only has packages that provide features |
| 17:34.28 | jetx | it's ctrl+l in dselect, same in irssi? |
| 17:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hipodilski: hm, can't look up the hardware we got - don't have any mails on it left and lspci just reports "0000:03:00.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD |
| 17:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Technology Inc): Unknown device 3132 (rev 01)", which isn't too helpful |
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| 17:34.34 | jetx | ooo |
| 17:34.36 | jetx | \o/ |
| 17:34.42 | milligan_ | wols, snd_hda_intel 275392 0 <- Does that look wrong? That's a paste from lsmod | grep intel |
| 17:34.43 | themill | milligan_: never mind then... just checking you're using a recent kernel for that sound card |
| 17:34.49 | et | jetx: c-l is redraw in most console apps |
| 17:34.56 | jetx | ahhh |
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| 17:35.06 | jetx | thankee verra munch |
| 17:35.07 | milligan_ | themill, yeah.. I was using an even newer one, but that screwed up my nvidia drivers, so I went back to this slightly older one |
| 17:35.13 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: it is |
| 17:35.21 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: and: lspci -nn to |
| 17:35.24 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: thanks for all the information it shed some more light on things |
| 17:35.28 | alys | lolie: go to www.debian.org and look for the installation instructions. I downloaded and burned to CD the 'minimal installation disk', then logging on to the Net I was able to complete the installation by going onto ftp.debian.org - or a mirror |
| 17:35.29 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: but your paste already told you everything you need |
| 17:35.42 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: fedoras patched oo.org might fuck up oo.org for kde users btw so |
| 17:35.49 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: debian probably cant even use that |
| 17:36.01 | redf1sh | apt question: I'm trying to get http timeouts for <only> connection, not data transfer. is there any way to do this? |
| 17:36.02 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, redf1sh |
| 17:36.25 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: i understand both possition |
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| 17:36.42 | TuxCrafter | s/possition/positions/ |
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| 17:37.28 | DawnLight | where do i get the info chroot manual? |
| 17:37.32 | forester | Hi, I have a 64 bit intel xeon machine, do I want the i386 or ia64 netinst ? Thanks! |
| 17:37.34 | _Progress_ | valdyn: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download i can't find any docks about install alsa on 2.6.x kernel. What i need from here? |
| 17:37.45 | jetx | i386 |
| 17:37.49 | jetx | !ia64 |
| 17:37.50 | forester | jetx: thanks |
| 17:37.50 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
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| 17:38.03 | valdyn | _Progress_: does this channel look like its not a debian support channel? |
| 17:38.18 | jetx | forester: amd64 is the generic term for what you have... non-amd specific. even ms uses it. |
| 17:38.18 | valdyn | _Progress_: if you want to use upstream alsa stuff, you best ask in alsa support forums |
| 17:38.18 | DawnLight | forester: amd64 |
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| 17:38.54 | forester | DawnLight: ok amd64 it is then. Thanks. |
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| 17:39.08 | _Progress_ | valdyn: is it not this chanel debian support?? |
| 17:39.12 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: but it kind of sucks from usability point of few that openoffice-gtk is still very alien to the rest of the gtk environment and I have no excuse for it when people are complaining about it to me. |
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| 17:39.16 | jetx | err.. yeah |
| 17:39.16 | _Progress_ | is confused |
| 17:39.26 | TuxCrafter | is confused to |
| 17:39.31 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: hmm, you are not understanding this at all |
| 17:39.32 | TuxCrafter | but stuff happens |
| 17:39.43 | jetx | forester: you want the amd64 images.. you could use the i386 though, it would work |
| 17:39.54 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: i understeand debian does not try to change mainstream tarbal release |
| 17:39.54 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: debian contains package which have a developer maintaining it |
| 17:40.02 | forester | jetx: thanks! |
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| 17:40.04 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: anyone is free to add the feature you want to debian |
| 17:40.12 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: its just that no one has done it yet |
| 17:40.53 | forester | \part |
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| 17:41.18 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: fedora in the contrary is controlled by people who are paid for doing just that, thats an entirely different position to get whatever feature in |
| 17:41.34 | SQLDb | is there a way to reset gnome-panel to defaults? Something's locking up on mine, and crashing it on load. Already tried deleting ~/.gnome* , ~/.metacity , ~/,.gconf* |
| 17:41.45 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: file a wishlist bug or help making the package, thats all you can do basically |
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| 17:42.01 | jetx | omg my 6month/>1gig sid update is done \o/ |
| 17:42.09 | wols | valdyn: not all |
| 17:42.21 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: openoffice.org is a very big package to maintain, the maintainer group of people doing it are very competent and must know about the looks and feels of openoffice on other distributions. and made choice not to patch there package |
| 17:42.29 | wols | there are some alibit volunteers in fedra afaik |
| 17:42.43 | theflamingpi | SQLDb: What I normally do is go in as root, move my userdir to a new name, create a new userdir (changing ownership to the user from root), and log back in again. |
| 17:42.43 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: im sure debian will get that feature in time |
| 17:43.00 | valdyn | TuxCrafter: just not the moment fedora released it |
| 17:43.02 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: i will help them |
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| 17:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: hm, actually, what does "everyone" have to do to be able to upload a new package? E.g. there's a new version of gnuplot out for quite a while, but no package yet - and the modifications needed are trivial (the debian patch works out of the box, except for one chunk, which has been changed as in the patch) |
| 17:43.29 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: fedora has it for more then 4 releases now |
| 17:43.34 | TuxCrafter | 2 years |
| 17:43.39 | themill | TuxCrafter: you'd could try working with the openoffice.org people directly. It's quite easy -- file a bug, wait for nothing to happen, send a patch, have them not apply it, have them ask for a specifications document, have them argue for 3 years about how the specifications document should be formatted... |
| 17:44.08 | DawnLight | if i go debconf-set-selections on a package that's already installed, need it dpkg-reconfigure it so that the changes will take affect? |
| 17:44.12 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: im not the right person to ask for specifics there |
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| 17:44.45 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: official debian developers can upload packages, even "nmu" ( non-maintainer upload ), thats packages that they are not the regular maintainer of |
| 17:44.50 | TuxCrafter | themill: been through that road with an other feature (booklet printing) |
| 17:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: that sounds a bit different from 'everyone', though :) |
| 17:45.35 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: (1) check the bts to see if there is a wishlist bug about the new version, (2) file a bug to that affect or ping the maintainer. If nothing is happening on that front, consider taking over the package and /msg dpkg mentors |
| 17:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is a wishlist item... I think since march |
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| 17:48.23 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: getting a mentor to take your package up shouldnt be to hard if the package is really decent |
| 17:48.28 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: but i havent tried that |
| 17:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, one has to compile gnuplot oneself anyways, because of this readline ugliness... still it's nice to just get the source package :) |
| 17:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: well, there is nothing new to do - essentially one exchanges the source tarball with the newer version and adds an entry to changlog, as far as I could figure |
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| 17:50.28 | Ace2016 | can someone tell me how i can use scroll lock |
| 17:50.30 | SyL | is there a way to tell apt-get to install a certain version of a package if you are using etch and lenny? |
| 17:50.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ace2016: Push it |
| 17:50.46 | Ace2016 | e.g without scroll lock the arrow keys act as normal but with scroll lock they move the cursor |
| 17:50.52 | Ace2016 | like in the old days |
| 17:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | SyL: e.g. apt-get install package -t stable |
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| 17:52.33 | Ace2016 | that is how it worked back then right? |
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| 17:52.47 | Ace2016 | it just seems usefull on a laptop, the pad is really annoying me |
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| 17:54.05 | SyL | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
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| 17:55.37 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: i found a solution for the open dialog the print dialog is sill a issue but i cant find the new bug link anywhere http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330186 |
| 17:55.57 | redf1sh | is there any reason why apt:https:timeout affects both connection and data transfer, and is there a way of splitting that up? apt 0.7.2 |
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| 17:57.39 | BadQuanta | I seem to have hold versions of software in the "etch" stable sources.. Someone has recommend that I just manually install the software from a tarball, but I was wondering if it would be better to just add "unstable" sources to my apt list? |
| 17:58.34 | BadQuanta | Sothat I can hopefully get a newer version of this software that debian is fully aware of. |
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| 17:59.19 | tetraedr_ | hi people |
| 17:59.39 | wols | BadQuanta: both are bad. |
| 17:59.43 | wols | !tell BadQuanta about ssb |
| 17:59.55 | tetraedr_ | I've got this in /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/m3ff91f01 but ifup doesn't set any parameters :( |
| 17:59.55 | wols | BadQuanta: and hold versions? |
| 18:00.06 | Bushmills | unstable isn't a bad thing - but not on your main installation which you normally use |
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| 18:00.31 | wols | Bushmills: getting packages from unstable when you run etch is a very bad thing and a stupid one to do |
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| 18:01.02 | Bushmills | wols: there's nothing stupid on an unimportant machine |
| 18:01.02 | BadQuanta | Bushmills, wols: It is not a main installation, nor a primary server. The machine is simply for testing an application I'm writing. |
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| 18:01.25 | wols | breaking a machine with mixing branches always is |
| 18:01.43 | Bushmills | no, just reinstall |
| 18:01.46 | BadQuanta | wols: Additionaly.. its not even a real machine, just a VMware instance. |
| 18:01.52 | wols | and as a testing env it's bad too. you want a STABLE OS if at all possible for testing |
| 18:01.52 | newsense_ | just run unstable |
| 18:01.53 | themill | Bushmills: please leave your windowsisms at the door... |
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| 18:01.55 | wols | you don |
| 18:02.03 | wols | you don't test your OS you want to test the app |
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| 18:02.10 | wokay | hello all |
| 18:02.20 | wols | BadQuanta: as I said. test the app, not the OS |
| 18:02.29 | kazol | wols: I finally reinstalled the system...it wasn't that bad. |
| 18:02.49 | hoxu | themill, I'm afraid thanks to influx of new users, ubuntu suffers from that mindset too, all those tutorials with "if something goes wrong, reinstall"... |
| 18:03.00 | Misterjos | I still have following message on bootup, it occured after i formatted /dev/sdc, this disk contained an old debian install which was listed in grub/menu.lst (and i backed up the old list as /grub/menu.list.backup), so i removed it there. "resume: could not stat the resume device file. PLease type in the file name to try again, or press ENTER to boot the system". |
| 18:03.05 | BadQuanta | wols: Actually, I just want it to work right now. Having issues just because the packages are ~3 years old is very frustrating... |
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| 18:03.10 | bkw | Hm, apache2-mpm-prefork doesn't seem to be compiled with large-file-support, files larger than 2G make my apache stop working :( Are there any solution for this in debian or do I have to recompile my apache2? |
| 18:03.11 | themill | hoxu: indeed... |
| 18:03.16 | BadQuanta | adds sid. |
| 18:03.21 | wols | hoxu: that's not the influx. it'S the ubuntu target demographic and their lack of knowlege |
| 18:03.27 | Bushmills | themill: why - if you damage your unimportant sid installation beyound repair - how will you fix it? |
| 18:03.27 | themill | BadQuanta: stop. |
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| 18:03.34 | BadQuanta | stops. |
| 18:03.35 | amphi | hoxu: and hopeful rebooting ;) |
| 18:03.37 | wokay_ | where can one find the script that is executed during boot up? |
| 18:03.46 | wols | BadQuanta: diagnosing the wrong errors since the OS acts up is even more frustrating believe me |
| 18:03.47 | amphi | wokay_: /etc/init.d |
| 18:03.58 | hoxu | BadQuanta, you plan on adding sid packages on top of etch? |
| 18:03.59 | themill | BadQuanta: Good :) mixing etch and sid is unlikely to work at all. |
| 18:04.04 | wokay_ | amphi: oh ok |
| 18:04.06 | Spec | so...i've an oracle init script which runs with /bin/bash, and calls "su - $ORACLE_USER -c $ORACLE_COMMAND", and it tries to set ulimits via /etc/profile, but I get errors about that...such as "ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted", but my /etc/security/limits.conf gives the oracle_user soft/hard limits, so it should have permission to set them.... |
| 18:04.11 | newsense_ | /etc/init.d |
| 18:04.29 | BadQuanta | themill, hoxu: I'm sorry. That is what I believed the instruction was to do. What should I do? |
| 18:04.32 | themill | Bushmills: I don't damage things to start with and certainly not beyond repair. |
| 18:04.38 | hoxu | !tell BadQuanta about upgrade path |
| 18:04.50 | themill | BadQuanta: What specifically are you after? |
| 18:05.00 | BadQuanta | Ruby && RubyGems |
| 18:05.00 | newsense_ | enemies lol |
| 18:05.05 | wols | BadQuanta: I told you |
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| 18:05.27 | Bushmills | themill: some problems in sid may be beyond your own control or doing |
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| 18:05.46 | themill | Bushmills: which is why you shouldn't use it. It's not designed to be used ffs. |
| 18:05.52 | wokay_ | amphi: can one execute then manually during boot with a single command? |
| 18:05.58 | wokay_ | them* |
| 18:06.03 | themill | BadQuanta: what version specifically are you looking for of them? |
| 18:06.03 | wols | at least if you are dependent on the machine |
| 18:06.28 | Bushmills | themill: did you - by any chance - read that i advised to not use it as main installation, but on unimportant machines? |
| 18:06.31 | wols | wokay_: you can execute them automatically too |
| 18:06.48 | Bushmills | or do you say "don't even install sid on unimportant, testing machines"? |
| 18:07.04 | wols | Bushmills: it was still utterly wrong. We NEVER harm someone's system especially if there are better ways like /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:07.33 | themill | Bushmills: that doesn't escape the fundamental point that sid is not designed to be used at all. On any machine. It's only a build environment. And you very rarely can take any package from sid and expect it to work in stable. |
| 18:07.33 | wokay_ | wols: yes, that happens automatically during boot. The problem is that when the power goes off, I'm asked to do it manually or reboot. |
| 18:07.39 | yuastnav | I try to install the NVIDIA graphics drivers but they say the current gcc version is 4.3 and that the kernel was compiled with 4.1 so it refuses to install the drivers |
| 18:07.50 | wols | Bushmills: and the quewstion was NOT "should I run sid". it was should I mix etch and sid. totally different |
| 18:07.50 | yuastnav | shall I force him to install the drivers or is there another possbility? |
| 18:07.52 | tetraedr_ | how do I make ifdown run only ifconfig <interface> down instead of trying to set empty values? I've got problems with wireless-* options :( |
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| 18:07.54 | wokay_ | wols: UPS is down from the past few days |
| 18:07.55 | TuxCrafter | valdyn: thanks for the info i already thought something like this was the case but i needed someone with more info to confirm it you did help me very much and i hope i can help you with something nextime :-p bye bye |
| 18:08.03 | Misterjos | !nvidia |
| 18:08.04 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
| 18:08.06 | BadQuanta | I was told to install rubygems-1.2.0 & ruby-1.8.7 or 1.8.6 |
| 18:08.07 | wols | wokay_: you can run it manually too. it's just a script |
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| 18:08.31 | hoxu | yuastnav, if you want to be safe, you should use the same gcc version |
| 18:08.33 | wols | BadQuanta: have you read the factoid dpkg /msged you in a query? |
| 18:08.41 | Bushmills | wols, true. should have said "mix" |
| 18:08.42 | javatexan | i need some help with an installation, the kernel on the CD wont boot on the machine.....any installer gurus here? |
| 18:09.00 | hoxu | yuastnav, try running the installer with --help to see how you can change the gcc it uses (assuming you also have 4.1 around) |
| 18:09.07 | wols | javatexan: what mobo? what install cd? |
| 18:09.10 | Misterjos | I still have following message on bootup, it occured after i formatted /dev/sdc, this disk contained an old debian install which was listed in grub/menu.lst (and i backed up the old list as /grub/menu.list.backup), so i removed it there. "resume: could not stat the resume device file. PLease type in the file name to try again, or press ENTER to boot the system". Is it wrong to put the backupfile in /grub? |
| 18:09.13 | BadQuanta | Yes. |
| 18:09.15 | epsas | .win 14 |
| 18:09.16 | themill | BadQuanta: rubygems-1.2 is not in debian at all, only 1.1.1. Ruby 1.8.6 is on backports.org |
| 18:09.19 | wols | javatexan: how far does it get? |
| 18:09.27 | themill | BadQuanta: For how long has rubygems 1.2 been available? |
| 18:09.36 | javatexan | etchy install cd: the mobo is an 486 |
| 18:09.38 | BadQuanta | I do not know, let me check. |
| 18:09.47 | wokay_ | wols, there are so many scripts in /etc/init.d. Which one of them do we run? |
| 18:09.53 | wols | javatexan: how far do you get? |
| 18:09.59 | Bushmills | themill: what does it matter whether it has been "designed to run" or "not designed to run" if the fact is that it exists, and it runs. |
| 18:10.02 | wols | wokay_: the one from your app |
| 18:10.04 | javatexan | the kernel crashes and says there is no math coprocessor |
| 18:10.14 | BadQuanta | It seems to be from : 06-21-2008 |
| 18:10.18 | themill | Bushmills: see your earlier comments about how it doesn't run. |
| 18:10.27 | wols | javatexan: then it is no 486. debian cannot run on anything below 485. |
| 18:10.29 | BadQuanta | themill: I get that from its RubyForge download page. |
| 18:10.30 | \amethyst | javatexan: oh, it's a 486 SX ? |
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| 18:10.38 | wols | javatexan: sarge or woody might but are out of support |
| 18:10.41 | javatexan | yep |
| 18:10.50 | amphi | wokay_: you're in single user mode? you could just do 'telinit 2' |
| 18:10.59 | javatexan | 486 sx...we were poor back then...LOL and now too |
| 18:11.01 | Bushmills | themill: yes, and sometimes it doesn't well. and so? |
| 18:11.03 | wokay_ | wols, if I want to run all the scripts that happens automatically at boot, then I need to do it one by one is it? |
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| 18:11.20 | \amethyst | javatexan: I don't suppose you can find a 487 SX anywhere? :) |
| 18:11.33 | wols | wokay_: see what amphi said. in what runlevel are you when this happens? |
| 18:11.40 | javatexan | i know you can compile the kernel to allow math emulation...can i do that and fix the install somehow |
| 18:11.57 | Bushmills | themill: are you running sid, by any chance |
| 18:11.58 | Bushmills | ? |
| 18:12.07 | wokay_ | amphi, wols, got it, thank you |
| 18:12.13 | wols | !tell wokay_ about custom cd |
| 18:12.22 | \amethyst | javatexan: I still don't know if you'll be able to get it working in Debian... glibc might require patches too |
| 18:12.29 | themill | Bushmills: only in chroots for building packages. I'm not crazy. |
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| 18:12.49 | wols | Bushmills: I do. but I don't tell people to use it |
| 18:12.51 | \amethyst | I'm running sid |
| 18:12.54 | javatexan | Well I saw that you have to compile glibc with special flags to get it to work w/o coproc |
| 18:13.04 | themill | BadQuanta: I'm not sure what's happened to rubygems -- see http://bugs.debian.org/487820 for more details |
| 18:13.06 | javatexan | with 486....sorry |
| 18:13.10 | wols | themill: and you know how crazy and stupid I am |
| 18:13.15 | themill | heh |
| 18:13.17 | Bushmills | wols: i don't tell people to run it as their main, or important installation. |
| 18:13.24 | javatexan | too much information swimming in the old head |
| 18:13.35 | wols | Bushmills: shut up. I never did |
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| 18:13.47 | Bushmills | i didn't say you did. |
| 18:14.01 | wols | waht a moron. /me ignores |
| 18:14.02 | themill | Bushmills: you suggested mixing etch and sid. That is bad. |
| 18:14.04 | Bushmills | i was telling what I don't say |
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| 18:14.42 | bkw | what file when doing apt-get source apache2-mpm-prefork describes what options apache was compiled with? |
| 18:15.00 | hoxu | fine, guys, I admit it |
| 18:15.03 | hoxu | I was wrong all along ! |
| 18:15.04 | wols | bkw: debian/rulss or control |
| 18:15.06 | hoxu | can we get over it now? :P |
| 18:15.20 | BadQuanta | Guys, thanks for the help. I am sure this is all due to my own stupidity. But I'm just going to install slackware and manually install the stuff myself. It seems like a simpler solution all around. |
| 18:15.28 | wols | hoxu: stop |
| 18:15.52 | hoxu | period? |
| 18:16.04 | BadQuanta | I mean no offense, but I just don't feel like dealing with this right now. |
| 18:16.09 | Bushmills | BadQuanta: yeah, a few dogmatists here |
| 18:16.15 | hoxu | bkw, a wild guess: debian/something... like rules? |
| 18:16.52 | hoxu | Bushmills, well, you are giving bad advice, I think people are trying to be helpful pointing that out |
| 18:16.54 | massmc | !tissues |
| 18:17.09 | bkw | ./configure --help | grep -i lfs doesn't mention any large file support option, hmm |
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| 18:17.24 | Bushmills | i suppose you gave better advise, then? |
| 18:17.38 | wols | hoxu: he will never stop. continue in OT please |
| 18:17.41 | Bushmills | was that advise more helpful then? |
| 18:17.50 | yuastnav | that's my problem |
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| 18:17.57 | yuastnav | I don't know how to tell him to use gcc-4.1 |
| 18:18.10 | wols | yuastnav: who? what? |
| 18:18.23 | yuastnav | the nvidia installer to use gcc-4.1 |
| 18:18.27 | yuastnav | and not gcc-4.3 |
| 18:18.33 | themill | dpkg: tell yuastnav about nvidia compiler fix |
| 18:18.34 | wols | yuastnav: we do not support the nvidia installer |
| 18:18.46 | yuastnav | hehe |
| 18:19.05 | tdn | How do I create a script that automatically runs when a USB storage device is inserted? I have read http://dventurin.wordpress.com/2007/04/01/udev-action-add-remove/, but it is not very explanatory. |
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| 18:20.07 | Bushmills | hoxu: besides, i didn't give "advise". what i said, besides having to defend my viewpoint, was "unstable isn't a bad thing - but not on your main installation which you normally use" |
| 18:21.13 | newsense_ | bull ya said to install unstable packages in stable i heard ya |
| 18:21.28 | Bushmills | show me? |
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| 18:21.41 | hoxu | is giving private therapy sessions on #debian-offtopic for free |
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| 18:22.19 | newsense_ | i need some a that therapy |
| 18:22.24 | newsense_ | see ya there |
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| 18:24.13 | milligan_ | Does my user have to relog after I've done an alsaconfig set-default-card .. ? |
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| 18:25.00 | humbolt1 | who can answer me an alsa question? |
| 18:25.19 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.28 | hoxu | !ask-to-ask |
| 18:26.28 | dpkg | well, ask-to-ask is Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 18:26.36 | dirkson | Can anyone running etch pastebin me their default /etc/postfix/main.cf and default /etc/postfix/master.cf ? I need to compare it and the version another piece of software installed. |
| 18:26.47 | Bushmills | newsense: if you can't show me, you have to live with me calling you somebody who accuses people falsely |
| 18:27.00 | keanu | dirkson, hold |
| 18:27.23 | dirkson | keanu: Cando. Thanks, Mr. Anderson. |
| 18:27.28 | newsense | Bushmills, youre still on that, go break your system or somethig |
| 18:28.13 | Bushmills | well, i'm the one you have accused of having said things which didn't say. i didn't accuse you of that |
| 18:28.36 | hoxu | Bushmills, drop it, please, continue on #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:28.56 | SQLDb | is it possible to take an 'animated' or video in KDE? apt-cache isn't finding me anything relevant |
| 18:29.00 | lolie | has anyone ever tried installing netinstall debian on virtual pc? |
| 18:29.05 | SQLDb | eerm * screenshot |
| 18:29.07 | Bushmills | hoxu, i have the right to defend myself against incorrect claims |
| 18:29.11 | keanu | dirkson, http://nopaste.com/p/afbtdjrcO |
| 18:29.12 | xand | grrr, since upgrading my lenny kernel to the latest one, I keep getting hard lockups after a few hours :| |
| 18:29.15 | hoxu | lolie, what kind of virtualization are we speaking about? |
| 18:29.29 | valdyn | SQLDb: like "xvidcap" ? |
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| 18:29.37 | SQLDb | valdyn: aha, thank you! |
| 18:29.42 | keanu | dirkson, oh, and master.cf - hold. there's two lines in the above pastebin that should be changed (both the hostname of your system) |
| 18:29.58 | lolie | runing "virtual pc" on windows and installing debian from the netinstall cd, while windows has internet connection |
| 18:30.07 | valdyn | SQLDb: theres even a "recordmydesktop" package |
| 18:30.18 | dirkson | keanu: Gotcha. Awesome. |
| 18:30.19 | keanu | dirkson, http://nopaste.com/p/adnDxpJthb |
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| 18:30.42 | valdyn | lolie: im sure people have done that |
| 18:30.47 | dirkson | keanu: Thank you! Now to figure out why I can't get mail out... |
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| 18:30.51 | lolie | its possible but |
| 18:30.51 | valdyn | lolie: whats your real question? |
| 18:30.56 | lolie | only one problem |
| 18:31.01 | lolie | i only have wifi connection |
| 18:31.13 | valdyn | lolie: thats a problem how? |
| 18:31.26 | lolie | is it still possible for netinstall in virtual pc to grab that connection? |
| 18:31.28 | lolie | or be part of it |
| 18:31.31 | keanu | dirkson, no problem. have you tried checking logs to see if there's any errors? |
| 18:31.37 | valdyn | lolie: net is net, no matter how it looks physically |
| 18:31.55 | lolie | ok |
| 18:31.56 | keanu | dirkson, oh wait, does postfix even store logs? |
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| 18:32.07 | lolie | 20% to go then ill give it a shot :P |
| 18:32.08 | valdyn | !tcp/bongo |
| 18:32.13 | dirkson | keanu: Not a single error in any log I can find. Even postqueue thinks its getting mail out. Mail just kind of drops into a black abyss. |
| 18:32.14 | valdyn | damn! |
| 18:32.29 | valdyn | !listkeys bongo |
| 18:32.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bongo' by key (1): bongo. |
| 18:33.01 | humbolt1 | How is the alsa config in use built? are all files read under /usr/share/alsa for this? and if, when and by whom? |
| 18:33.10 | milligan_ | wols, hm.. remember my sound prob about 30 minutes ago? Looks like I have sound afterall .. Rhytmbox is playing nice and loud. However, my user can't open alsamixer, and sound in my browser doesn't work. that might be a flash problem? |
| 18:33.17 | valdyn | humbolt1: what are you referring to? |
| 18:33.17 | keanu | dirkson, I'm not sure - I don't use postfix much, but it just works for me. |
| 18:33.21 | valdyn | humbolt1: whats "alsa config" ? |
| 18:33.42 | lolie | alsa |
| 18:33.45 | lolie | sound configuration |
| 18:33.59 | valdyn | humbolt1: thats defaults, im not sure why you would care about them |
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| 18:34.13 | dirkson | keanu: Yeah, it used to Just Work for me too, then I installed ispcp |
| 18:34.26 | humbolt1 | alsa still is a big mystery to me. how does alsa know which card is the default pcm, that it has to setup a dmix device, ... |
| 18:34.34 | keanu | dirkson, weird. not familiar with ispcp, so can't help you there |
| 18:34.40 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
| 18:34.50 | dirkson | keanu: Aye. |
| 18:35.01 | valdyn | humbolt1: default is the first the the "default" per config file |
| 18:35.10 | valdyn | humbolt1: default is the first or the "default" per config file |
| 18:35.30 | valdyn | humbolt1: dmix is probably set for any card now by default |
| 18:35.30 | javatexan | \amethyst: so which version of libc should I be looking for? |
| 18:35.33 | dirkson | On an unrelated note- Is there an easy way to start a program in such a way that it will restart once it fails? |
| 18:35.37 | humbolt1 | valdyn: I know about asoundrc but it does not exist on a vanilla system. Instead the config has some default values which come from thin air?! |
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| 18:36.00 | valdyn | humbolt1: /usr/share/alsa it seems |
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| 18:36.05 | humbolt1 | valdyn: set my whom? |
| 18:36.15 | valdyn | humbolt1: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 18:37.03 | DawnLight | does anyone know about the bug with the font directories getting screwed up and dpkg fails to tegenerate font cache or something? |
| 18:37.12 | valdyn | humbolt1: libasound2: /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 18:37.13 | humbolt1 | valdyn: I know about all files involved. But I don't know which ones actually do anything. |
| 18:37.30 | valdyn | humbolt1: libasound reads all the config files |
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| 18:37.46 | valdyn | humbolt1: if you want to see in which order, run "strace aplay some.wav" for instance |
| 18:38.03 | valdyn | humbolt1: or probably "strace -eopen aplay some.wav" to get a little less spam |
| 18:38.06 | humbolt1 | valdyn: libasound reads that every time you play something via alsa? |
| 18:38.14 | valdyn | humbolt1: sure |
| 18:38.17 | sladi | Hi! Is Synaptic behaving like Aptitude, so I can continue using it now after doing everything with Aptitude before? I'm not sure about the option 'treat recommended packages as dependencies'. |
| 18:38.34 | valdyn | humbolt1: not everytime you play |
| 18:38.39 | humbolt1 | but? |
| 18:38.54 | valdyn | humbolt1: i dont know the alsa aplication programming interface |
| 18:39.23 | sladi | I haven't changed options in aptitude but there it's is set to 'install recommended packages automatically=yes'. |
| 18:39.26 | valdyn | humbolt1: surely theres a function "alsa_init();" or similar |
| 18:40.09 | valdyn | humbolt1: im sure the api is documentated somewhere |
| 18:40.11 | humbolt1 | valdyn: wow, I just ran strace and it really does read all these files |
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| 18:41.10 | humbolt1 | valdyn: I have always wondered when these files are actually read. |
| 18:41.10 | valdyn | humbolt1: thats common behaviour really, not just for alsa |
| 18:41.15 | valdyn | humbolt1: to read a gazillion files, often, its cheap |
| 18:41.29 | valdyn | humbolt1: or cheap enough rather |
| 18:41.35 | humbolt1 | valdyn: I thought this is initialized at boot up or when the init script runs and that's if |
| 18:42.06 | humbolt1 | /s/if/it |
| 18:42.06 | themill | humbolt1: the files would be cached by the kernel -- it won't touch the disk just to read in the config files. |
| 18:42.10 | humbolt1 | themill: that is what I thought. |
| 18:42.15 | valdyn | humbolt1: no, im sure its one api function that triggers reading those files |
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| 18:43.17 | humbolt1 | valdyn: What I wondered the most was, if they are really all used. I intend to use this config on an openwrt router, so I was wondering which files I have to copy. |
| 18:43.30 | valdyn | humbolt1: you dont need the config |
| 18:43.49 | humbolt1 | valdyn: And if this would work there or if there is some init process adapting something to the actual sound card. |
| 18:44.23 | humbolt1 | valdyn: when I want dmix and dsnoop to be the default, ... I will need something like that. |
| 18:44.23 | valdyn | humbolt1: that config sets alot of more or less useful things, you dont need it at all |
| 18:44.35 | humbolt1 | valdyn: for now it seems, I can only access hw:0 |
| 18:44.37 | quabbles | hi folks.. i have a .ssh/known_hosts file here on a debian box, with no ips/domains but just hashes and fingerprints in it. how can i remove a host from there (either identify the right line, or separate tool?) |
| 18:44.41 | valdyn | humbolt1: right, something like that |
| 18:44.57 | valdyn | humbolt1: you could just use a custom /etc/asound.conf |
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| 18:45.08 | valdyn | humbolt1: whatever you like, or both |
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| 18:46.13 | wols | milligan_: what does rhythmbox use as a output plugin? |
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| 18:46.35 | valdyn | ok this is odd, I get ~200MB/sec transfer using standard i/o and ~400MB/sec using o_direct |
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| 18:46.43 | valdyn | if anyone can shed some light on that.. |
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| 18:47.42 | keith4 | wols: doesn't rhythmbox use gstreamer? |
| 18:48.16 | valdyn | keith4: wols knows, thats why hes asking |
| 18:48.22 | wols | keith4: no clue |
| 18:48.27 | valdyn | ops |
| 18:48.29 | wols | valdyn: I do? |
| 18:48.32 | keith4 | i think it does |
| 18:48.37 | valdyn | well, it still uses gstreamer and gstreamer has multiple output plugins |
| 18:48.47 | wols | and what does gstreamer use as a output plugin? |
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| 18:48.52 | philsf | is there an easy way to find out what keys I signed (locally)? |
| 18:49.03 | philsf | sorry, in gpg |
| 18:49.24 | wols | valdyn: I don't know a lot of things, but for some unexcplicable reason people don't seem to be able to clearly deduce problems logically |
| 18:49.41 | wols | so I have to explicitly as them about it |
| 18:49.43 | valdyn | wols: /nod |
| 18:49.56 | keith4 | so then rhythmbox probably uses alsa default |
| 18:49.58 | valdyn | lenny and later has this neat "gstreamer-properties" tool |
| 18:50.04 | wols | keith4: how do you KNOW? |
| 18:50.06 | sladi | How should I install icons for Xfce which are not in the repos? Is there a nice way to do it or can I just copy to /usr/share/icons please? |
| 18:50.12 | keith4 | wols: i'm opening it now |
| 18:50.30 | wols | keith4: yours is not necessarily his output plugin. but feel free to tell him how to check |
| 18:50.58 | valdyn | milligan_: flash uses the old OSS, gstreamer will use alsa |
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| 18:51.11 | abrotman | flash9 uses alsa? |
| 18:51.16 | valdyn | milligan_: you cannot use both at a time |
| 18:51.20 | valdyn | abrotman: yes |
| 18:51.38 | valdyn | but is flash9 even released yet? |
| 18:51.40 | valdyn | im using a beta |
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| 18:51.48 | keith4 | what's that new audio layer that ubuntu is using? |
| 18:52.00 | valdyn | keith4: not exactly new, pulseaudio |
| 18:52.07 | keith4 | yah, that's the one |
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| 18:52.54 | valdyn | and on the bright side alsa integrates very nicely with that one |
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| 18:53.59 | keith4 | well, since rhythmbox uses gstreamer, and there are gstreamer plugins for all kinds of crap, rhythmbox could be using anything |
| 18:54.01 | lleksah | chocolate? |
| 18:54.36 | milligan_ | valdyn, If I start iceweasel only.. and nothing else.. then go to i.e youtube, I still won't hear any sound. |
| 18:54.47 | valdyn | milligan_: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 18:55.02 | milligan_ | root/audio |
| 18:55.15 | valdyn | milligan_: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 18:55.18 | valdyn | milligan_: hear something? |
| 18:55.28 | tdn | I am trying to create a udev script that copies the contents of each usb storage device as they are inserted. I cannot make it work though. Here is my approach. http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1148.html (the udev script and the shell script that it calls) What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:55.33 | milligan_ | valdyn, yep |
| 18:55.38 | sladi | Should I simply copy icon themes to /usr/share/icons in order to use them? |
| 18:55.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | What is a way to list every and all device attached to my system? |
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| 18:55.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | lshw doesn't find my touchscreen, (doesn't even show up as an unknown device) |
| 18:55.58 | valdyn | milligan_: iceweasel has *some* place to configure sound output |
| 18:56.21 | valdyn | milligan_: show content of /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc |
| 18:56.35 | keith4 | !hardware |
| 18:56.35 | dpkg | Before buying any hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. ask me about <hcl> |
| 18:56.42 | milligan_ | valdyn, ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" |
| 18:56.43 | valdyn | milligan_: and show the output of "arch" |
| 18:57.06 | milligan_ | Don't have arch installed. |
| 18:57.13 | richoid | Anyone familiar with SSH man-in-the-middle attacks? We have a large Debian Xen deployment and starting to see Connection reset by peers and on following re-connect ssh detects RSA key changed. |
| 18:57.15 | valdyn | milligan_: "uname -r" then |
| 18:57.24 | milligan_ | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:57.36 | valdyn | milligan_: change the none to auto |
| 18:57.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | keith4: ... |
| 18:57.40 | wols | richoid: you have upgraded your libssl recently? |
| 18:57.42 | valdyn | milligan_: and restart iceweasel |
| 18:57.50 | keith4 | Blast_Hardcheese: yah.. sorry. not the factoid i was looking for |
| 18:57.54 | wols | richoid: ie fixed the vulnerability? |
| 18:58.03 | richoid | Running Debian 4.0 w/ openssh 4.3p2-9 |
| 18:58.05 | keith4 | what's that factoid that lists lshw, lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, etc.? |
| 18:58.07 | milligan_ | crosses his fingers |
| 18:58.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | keith4: Yeah... I think dpkg has too many commands |
| 18:58.19 | wols | richoid: I did not talk about openssh |
| 18:58.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | it's: |
| 18:58.27 | richoid | Yes we applied the fix |
| 18:58.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | !what's my hardware |
| 18:58.29 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 18:58.44 | FragtioN | Anyone know what would cause traceroute to report false latencies? running ubuntu-server 8.10. i ping a host pretty stable 2ms from the ubuntu server or a windows machine on the same lan, but when i do a traceroute with the same packet size it reports like 35ms for the last hop. ? :( never had this problem with unix before. Could it be x86_64 related? |
| 18:58.46 | richoid | At least I thought my admins had... do you have a quick way to check? |
| 18:58.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | That's not what I'm looking for, since none of those tell me what my ***damn device is :\ |
| 18:58.55 | valdyn | FragtioN: we dont support ubuntu |
| 18:58.59 | wols | !topicsmite richoid |
| 18:59.00 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon richoid. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:59.23 | wols | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about laptops |
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| 18:59.36 | milligan_ | valdyn, no go |
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| 18:59.42 | FragtioN | valdyn: im pretty sure it would be a problem easily replicated on debian, seeing as they're pretty closely related :/ does the problem ring a bell though? |
| 18:59.45 | valdyn | FragtioN: networks arent really that stable, try using mtr instead of traceroute to get repeated traceroutes |
| 18:59.50 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 19:00.00 | wols | FragtioN: STOP. NOW. and please go back to #ubuntu |
| 19:00.03 | Doug52392 | Anyone know how to use UnrealIRCd here? |
| 19:00.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Neat, dpkg is, like, totally a valley-girl |
| 19:00.13 | wols | !tell Doug52392 about anyone |
| 19:00.20 | richoid | wols, would that explain this situation though? these hosts are all internal |
| 19:00.26 | wols | richoid: yes |
| 19:00.35 | Doug52392 | he he... sorry |
| 19:01.08 | FragtioN | valdyn: awesome little app, didnt know it existed. just what i needed, thanks ;D |
| 19:01.12 | milligan_ | valdyn, would setting it to /dev/dsp do the job, instead of auto ? |
| 19:01.19 | richoid | So I need at least 0.9.8c-4etch3 openssl, and regenerate keys? |
| 19:01.22 | Doug52392 | I have an issue with UnrealIRCd. When 10 people join the IRC server, no one else can join. Anyone else who tries to conenct either fails to connect and it doesn't show up in the log, or it shows them disconnect due to "connection refused" |
| 19:01.22 | milligan_ | valdyn, could the problem also be that I don't have any oss stuff installed ? |
| 19:01.38 | keith4 | how is that a debian issue? |
| 19:01.41 | valdyn | milligan_: no, you already successfull used your oss interface /dev/dsp |
| 19:01.46 | philsf | is there an easy way to find out what gpg keys I signed (locally)? |
| 19:01.59 | Doug52392 | I don't know if it's an issue with the OS, network, or program itself. |
| 19:02.33 | valdyn | milligan_: more likely you just didnt completely quit iceweasel |
| 19:02.47 | valdyn | milligan_: left the download dialogue open or whatever |
| 19:03.08 | milligan_ | yeah, possibly. |
| 19:03.25 | valdyn | milligan_: "ps aux | grep npviewer" will list any still running instances of flash |
| 19:03.37 | richoid | wols, thanks I thought the keys were all regenerated. |
| 19:03.43 | valdyn | milligan_: s/npviewer/iceweasel/ to check for iceweasel obviously |
| 19:04.04 | milligan_ | valdyn, cheers. I'll muck about a bit more and see what I find. Thanks for your time and help. |
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| 19:05.00 | sladi | milligan_: Alsamixer should work before anything else ,no? |
| 19:05.06 | kazol | My server recently crashed, and when I checked /var/log/syslog, it told me a "SpareActive Event" occured - what does this mean? |
| 19:05.22 | milligan_ | sladi, I thought so .. on this box it doesn't though :P |
| 19:06.04 | sladi | milligan_: Then it's an Alsa problem, no need to do something in Iceweasel, no? |
| 19:06.36 | milligan_ | sladi, nah.. Rythmbox works fine |
| 19:06.40 | olri | quabbles: get hist key and search in known_hosts |
| 19:06.44 | valdyn | sladi: we already tested his sound, its fine |
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| 19:06.52 | n3kl | Is it possiblt to have 2 lvm volume groups on one physical group? |
| 19:07.01 | valdyn | sladi: as in hes hearing it |
| 19:07.13 | valdyn | n3kl: what the fuck |
| 19:07.23 | valdyn | n3kl: whats a physical group? |
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| 19:07.36 | n3kl | physical volume, sorry |
| 19:07.54 | valdyn | n3kl: im not sure how you can think that possible |
| 19:08.12 | keith4 | milligan_: usually, when that happens to me, it's because something else has exclusive control of the sound, like ekiga or mplayer or something. try lsof |
| 19:08.19 | sladi | valdyn: Speakertest and Alsamixer should work in a properly installed Alsa config I'd guess, but I'm no expert |
| 19:08.36 | valdyn | sladi: his sound is ok, except that flash does not work |
| 19:08.48 | valdyn | sladi: while we confirmed that /dev/dsp works, and thats all that flash needs |
| 19:08.55 | n3kl | valdyn: thanks asswipe |
| 19:09.05 | valdyn | n3kl: no need to call me names |
| 19:09.10 | olri | quabbles: grep `ssh-keyscan -H -t rsa remotehost | awk '{print $3}'` known_hosts |
| 19:09.27 | milligan_ | keith4, I tried that aswell.. nothing was using it :-\ I have a good feeling on the DSP setting though |
| 19:09.39 | sladi | valdyn: I just find Alsamixer important if Flash uses Alsa. ^^ |
| 19:09.49 | valdyn | sladi: flash uses /dev/dsp |
| 19:10.08 | Eulex | flash9 and later does alsa, iirc |
| 19:10.16 | valdyn | yea |
| 19:10.21 | valdyn | oh |
| 19:10.29 | valdyn | !info flashplugin-nonfree sid |
| 19:10.50 | valdyn | damn slow |
| 19:10.51 | Eulex | but I've had problems with the flash plugin blocking output from other apps, so I'm not so sure that's correct. |
| 19:11.08 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:1.6.2 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 19:11.25 | quabbles | olri, ah, thanks :) |
| 19:11.25 | valdyn | oh to funny, cant even see the flash version on that |
| 19:11.25 | sladi | Eulex: I use Pulseaduio and I can listen to many apps at once. :) |
| 19:11.42 | valdyn | milligan_: can you check your flash version in iceweasel, url is "about:plugins" ? |
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| 19:11.57 | valdyn | milligan_: i didnt think it possible that you used flash9 already |
| 19:12.02 | soulchild | Hi all,.... which package hold printer drivers for Brother Printers ? |
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| 19:13.21 | Eulex | soulchild, I'd suggest checking linuxprinting.org |
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| 19:14.32 | soulchild | Eulex: thank you, it is postscript |
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| 19:14.56 | n3kl | valdyn: I am sorry I called you a name |
| 19:15.05 | JordiGH | Is there a way to make Gnome run a script each time it ejects a particular medium? |
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| 19:16.04 | abrotman | probably with udev scripts |
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| 19:17.11 | JordiGH | Hm. Rhythmbox in etch has an iPod shuffle bug. I can fix it by either installing a newer Rhythmbox in etch, or by making Gnome run a script whenever it unmounts the iPod. |
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| 19:17.43 | keith4 | JordiGH: try a backport'd rhythmbox? |
| 19:18.27 | JordiGH | keith4: Is there one? Can it be backported without backporting all of Gnome? |
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| 19:18.45 | JordiGH | There isn't a backported one... |
| 19:18.51 | xand | frowns at machine not staying running long enough to compile a new kernel that hopefully won't make the machine constantly crash! |
| 19:19.26 | wols | xaphan_0_o: heat? |
| 19:19.31 | wols | xand: ^^ |
| 19:19.35 | keith4 | JordiGH: yah, looks like you'd have to backport it yourself (and possibly all of gnome) |
| 19:19.44 | JordiGH | abrotman: Where can I read about udev scripts? |
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| 19:20.01 | xand | wols: I thought that, but CPU is only 40C |
| 19:20.09 | wols | JordiGH: look into the automounter as well |
| 19:20.13 | wols | xand: what error? |
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| 19:20.26 | xand | no error, machine hangs competely |
| 19:20.28 | xand | +l |
| 19:20.34 | wols | icky |
| 19:20.44 | n3kl | xand: sounds like heat |
| 19:20.55 | xand | it's not that hot though |
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| 19:21.09 | sladi | xand: try underclocking perhaps |
| 19:21.10 | wols | xand: and no OCing? |
| 19:21.13 | xand | unless it's the video card, but I don't know how to measure that |
| 19:21.16 | xand | wols: none |
| 19:21.31 | wols | xand: lmsensors |
| 19:21.34 | disq | hey. why no libapache-mod-php5 in lenny, do I really upgrade to apache2 for php5 in lenny? |
| 19:21.43 | wols | but if a videocard crashes on 2D, something is wrong |
| 19:21.47 | wols | disq: yes |
| 19:22.03 | keith4 | disq: you're running lenny, but still using apache 1? |
| 19:22.10 | wols | disq: sooner or later you have to. php4 is EOL. etch is the last debian version with php4 |
| 19:22.13 | JordiGH | wols: I need a little more help... what is the automounter actually called? |
| 19:22.22 | wols | !automount |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 19:22.26 | xand | wols: would you expect the monitor image to become... degraded if it was the GPU? |
| 19:22.35 | wols | usually yes |
| 19:22.39 | xand | because that is fine |
| 19:22.43 | disq | i have php5 on etch and apache1 just fine. have to upgrade for python stuff |
| 19:22.44 | wols | but a kernel compile does so little |
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| 19:23.00 | xand | oh, I hadn't got so far as the kernel compile |
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| 19:23.07 | wols | how far then? |
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| 19:23.11 | xand | I was about to download it ;) |
| 19:23.13 | wols | even starting X does almost nothing |
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| 19:23.23 | wols | wget does even less |
| 19:23.28 | xand | starting X, logging in, opening iceweasel |
| 19:23.46 | wols | don't run X next time |
| 19:23.50 | xand | I haven't |
| 19:23.52 | wols | use lynx or wget |
| 19:24.13 | xand | I'm going to see if it still happens with the old kernel I have before first |
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| 19:24.23 | themill | disq: apache1.3 is dead. If you're running lenny with apache1.3 then you're also not getting security support. |
| 19:24.29 | wols | could be a software error in anything. I thought it was gcc that balked. gcc is a very sensitive CPU stability (heat, OCing) app |
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| 19:24.37 | xand | no |
| 19:24.44 | milligan_ | valdyn, Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 |
| 19:24.50 | xand | I suppose it might be the nvidia driver too as I upgraded it to support 2.6.25 |
| 19:24.54 | diepes | hi is there a irc group just for iptables ? |
| 19:25.04 | xand | diepes: yes, guess the name |
| 19:25.13 | wols | disq: iptables has no "groups" |
| 19:25.29 | wols | diepes: ah, you mean an irc channel. yes. #iptables |
| 19:25.41 | diepes | xand: it is like man ... |
| 19:26.09 | disq | ok thank you i should first upgrade to apache2 and config it then dist-upgrade to lenny then |
| 19:26.10 | xand | I also don't think it's overheating because it happens in the middle of the night when it's a) cool and b) PC is idle |
| 19:26.20 | xand | right, I'm back in 2.6.24 now... |
| 19:26.38 | wols | themill: so apache1 is EOL too? |
| 19:26.40 | wols | good to know |
| 19:26.40 | disq | (noticed this on the "packages to remove" list) |
| 19:26.47 | xand | diepes: what? |
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| 19:27.01 | themill | wols: yes |
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| 19:27.23 | abrotman | still supported in etch AFAIK |
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| 19:27.38 | ghostknife | Is there any tool for configuring what starts at what runlevel? |
| 19:27.38 | dz_adel | hi all |
| 19:27.43 | dz_adel | can someone help me with iptables ? (nat) |
| 19:27.44 | wols | ghostknife: rcconf |
| 19:27.46 | themill | abrotman: it is, in the same way php4 is... |
| 19:27.50 | themill | !apache 1.3 |
| 19:27.50 | dpkg | [apache 1.3] obsolete, see bug #418266 http://bugs.debian.org/418266 and ask me instead about <apache2>. |
| 19:27.54 | wols | !tell dz_adel about ipmasq |
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| 19:28.39 | JordiGH | ghostdog: ksysv for KDE too. |
| 19:28.40 | dz_adel | thanks wols ;) |
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| 19:29.45 | xand | machine stable so far with old kernel :| |
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| 19:29.52 | ghostknife | wols: I tried that, but it doesn't list all services |
| 19:29.52 | xand | (and new nvidia driver) |
| 19:30.03 | ghostknife | wols: i have /etc/rc2.d/S99glassfish, and glassfish isn't listed |
| 19:30.17 | wols | ghostknife: ls /etc/rc?.d |
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| 19:30.37 | wols | ghostknife: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99glassfish |
| 19:30.38 | JordiGH | Hrm. I don't think I'll be able to do it with gnome-mount... |
| 19:30.43 | ghostknife | wols: it's there |
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| 19:30.52 | wols | ghostknife: that's not what I want to know. do it |
| 19:31.02 | ghostknife | wols: glassfish is only in 1 and 2 |
| 19:31.06 | bhundven | ghostknife: does it have the right permissions? |
| 19:31.07 | ghostknife | wols: will paste now |
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| 19:31.25 | ghostknife | bhundven: it's running, I want an easy way to set them to start/stop them |
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| 19:31.40 | sladi | milligan_: That should use Alsa. Maybe try the Flas10 beta. |
| 19:31.56 | JordiGH | reads the udev manpage. |
| 19:32.05 | wols | JordiGH: gl |
| 19:32.50 | ghostknife | wols: http://rafb.net/p/E98o4148.html |
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| 19:33.11 | wols | ghostknife: that's not what I wanted to so |
| 19:33.13 | wols | *see |
| 19:33.25 | ghostknife | sorry |
| 19:33.32 | ghostknife | I forgot the second one's long listing |
| 19:33.48 | wols | it is no long listing what I want to see. scroll up |
| 19:33.56 | wols | talk to me again when you did it |
| 19:34.43 | ghostknife | wols: I am missing it. I read every line you typed |
| 19:34.51 | ghostknife | http://rafb.net/p/YHbhfd80.html |
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| 19:35.30 | ghostknife | wols: I don't see what you typed that I'm missing |
| 19:35.31 | wols | ghostknife: it should show glassfish |
| 19:35.35 | ghostknife | It does |
| 19:35.44 | ghostknife | the first listing (the.. now long listing) |
| 19:35.44 | wols | !sysvinit |
| 19:35.45 | dpkg | somebody said sysvinit was zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 19:36.18 | wols | !tell ghostknife about runlevel |
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| 19:39.10 | ghostknife | wols: shot thanks, update-rc.d works |
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| 19:39.21 | ghostknife | why do I have an S99glassfish? |
| 19:39.26 | ghostknife | WITH the ? at the end |
| 19:39.38 | RandomTask | Hello ... i am connecting to my home debian box over ssh using a tight vnc viewer ... after i log in on the gdm prompt i see the desktop starting to be drawn then i get the error "ReadExact: Socket error while reading" ... does anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:39.40 | ghostknife | FULL name: /etc/rc{1,2}.d/S99glassfish? |
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| 19:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the ? just means it's a broken symlink? My ls doesn't do that, though |
| 19:41.49 | dserban | I'm trying to block one user via dovecot from all ip's except one. Can this be done via the dovecot config? If not, is there another way to do it? |
| 19:41.49 | ghostknife | no, it's there |
| 19:42.09 | richoid | wols, So I upgraded openssl, openssh-server, deleted old keys and did dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server to generate keys, I still get the Connection reset after a short session. |
| 19:42.11 | ghostknife | wait, it's not a ?, it's a ^M when using auto complete in bash |
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| 19:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we all can imagine where those come from... |
| 19:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | with shudders, though |
| 19:42.52 | ghostknife | it's a nothing when catting the list to file |
| 19:43.20 | wols | richoid: if the keys are changed you are 0wn3d. means: reinstall your servers |
| 19:43.38 | wols | at least there is a strong pointer to that direction |
| 19:43.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'course |
| 19:43.53 | richoid | Why would my session be reset after a few seconds? |
| 19:44.05 | richoid | The servers are not exposed. |
| 19:44.30 | wols | why should we know what the h4x0r did? a server key/fingerprint doesn't change just so. there is manual intervention needed |
| 19:44.50 | htmlol | I want to get a PCI wireless card for my old desktop. I hear that Atheros works well with linux, but my router (the Linksys WRT54GL running Tomato) has a Broadcom chipset and I've heard that the chipsets should be the same. What should I do? |
| 19:44.56 | Saar | how can you make sure, in a script, that the debian version is a certain version and cpu type, say Etch AMD64 |
| 19:45.01 | themill | wols: it does if you've only just installed the etch openssl update for vulnerable keys... |
| 19:45.08 | wols | and considering how widespread exploited the bug was and how negligent you are patching your server: no bets on what malware is on them by nwo |
| 19:45.18 | richoid | I just updated a new box that was built this morning and it still happens. |
| 19:45.47 | abrotman | firewalls? |
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| 19:45.54 | wols | htmlol: you heard wrong |
| 19:46.08 | richoid | Uhm, not very helpful, the servers are not exposed, nothing in logs since they were built to show any access. |
| 19:46.14 | ghostknife | it's a 0x0d at the end |
| 19:46.15 | richoid | I have daily reports from syslog. |
| 19:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, I just wanted to ask where htmlol heared that :) |
| 19:46.18 | htmlol | oh, really? I was going from this, wols: http://www.epinions.com/content_190027370116 |
| 19:46.18 | ghostknife | wonder how that got there |
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| 19:47.39 | justin | ghostknife: that is a \r |
| 19:47.48 | Saar | add ServerAliveInterval=60 and ServerAliveCountMax=60 to /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 19:47.53 | Saar | for example |
| 19:48.05 | Saar | should keep the connection fro timing out |
| 19:48.13 | htmlol | so that's completely incorrect then? heh |
| 19:48.28 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:48.39 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 19:48.54 | htmlol | does anyone else have interference? I want to know if this guy is totally wrong. hehe |
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| 19:49.05 | richoid | Saar, it happens immediately sometimes. |
| 19:49.05 | abrotman | htmlol: we just freaking told you |
| 19:49.10 | abrotman | htmlol: maybe you should ask #wireless |
| 19:49.26 | cr3rzemjest | which is 'default' video output? coz mplayer sends video to framebuffer, but what is 'normal' video output? like to X or smthing? |
| 19:49.26 | wols | abrotman: don't make him molest even more channels |
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| 19:49.29 | wols | that's rude |
| 19:49.37 | htmlol | ouch |
| 19:49.42 | abrotman | wols: like anyone there pays attention :0 |
| 19:50.08 | justin | richoid: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 19:50.21 | htmlol | I'm just trying to make sure that I get something good. |
| 19:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's impossible :) |
| 19:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could always be from a faulty batch... or be dropped from the bench or whatnot |
| 19:51.32 | htmlol | meh |
| 19:51.41 | cr3rzemjest | nvm |
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| 19:53.49 | Saar | richoid: oh I see |
| 19:54.12 | Saar | in that case I guess you still have some bad keys around |
| 19:54.35 | richoid | I just erased them :) |
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| 19:55.43 | dserban | after doing a netstat -lnp... I see a port set to listen with no program associated to it, or pid. How do I figure out what's listening on my box? |
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| 19:57.09 | wols | dserban: as root netstat -anp and paste the suspicious line |
| 19:57.14 | richoid | wols, http://pastebin.org/51644 |
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| 19:57.26 | loulouloulou | hi I am using exim and I did change the /etc/localdomians file is it enough to simply restart exim or is there a command to execute like in postfix |
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| 19:57.58 | marinosi | Hello..I am trying to fix vlc as the bug for xvid was closed and the solution is to remove any packages from http://debian-multimedia.org .I have packages installed from this repo.How can I remove them all? |
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| 19:58.13 | marinosi | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg188275.html |
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| 19:58.30 | Saar | anyone knows what command i could use in a script to verify the version and cpu type of the debian install? i know i could grep /etc/motd or do a uname -a but it's subject to change |
| 19:58.57 | wols | Saar: /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:59.11 | Saar | yeah for the cpu |
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| 19:59.36 | Saar | i mean more like what apt does to find out that info |
| 19:59.36 | wols | what do you mean "version and cputype" |
| 19:59.42 | n3kl | powernow_k8 does not work on the etch xen kernels |
| 19:59.51 | marinosi | to make log story short is there any way to find a list of installed packages that came from a certain repository? |
| 19:59.54 | dserban | wols: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:58289 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:59.55 | Saar | say i need to verify it is Etch and AMD64 |
| 19:59.58 | cr3rzemjest | oops my cpu's +62.0°C, nooooo goood! |
| 20:00.10 | wols | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 20:00.12 | dpkg | wols: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:00.13 | Saar | 62C is fine :) |
| 20:00.22 | wols | cr3rzemjest: depends on the cpu |
| 20:00.28 | wols | Saar: no |
| 20:00.40 | cr3rzemjest | Pentium D's are said to be hot generally |
| 20:00.40 | wols | Saar: see the dpkg command |
| 20:00.49 | wols | yes, for them it's fine |
| 20:01.18 | dserban | wols, that's all I've got for the offending line... |
| 20:01.28 | dserban | how do I find out what process is bound to that port? |
| 20:01.30 | Saar | wols: ah yes of course thanks |
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| 20:02.44 | marinosi | dserban: netstat -ap |
| 20:03.18 | dserban | marinosi, yep, I can see that, but the program column is "-" |
| 20:03.32 | marinosi | it depends |
| 20:03.34 | dserban | I don't even know what pid it is.... kinda odd |
| 20:03.39 | xand | wols: I've come to the conclusion that lenny's 2.6.25 is made of fail :) |
| 20:04.03 | dserban | marinosi, what depends? |
| 20:04.42 | marinosi | it is not a -.you are searching for a daemon? |
| 20:05.15 | n3kl | Would xfs or ext3 be a better choice for a large filesystem? |
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| 20:05.24 | Heavy-D | hey guys, what does the command sequence... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade do for the system. Is that how to detect and download security updates? |
| 20:05.35 | dserban | Well, yes. What program is bound to that port is what I'm looking for. Everything else is reported via -lnp and shown except for that one. Which is a dash in the pid/prog column. |
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| 20:07.00 | wols | dserban: does anything show without -p? |
| 20:07.14 | themill | Heavy-D: yes, but sometimes you will need an apt-get dist-upgrade instead |
| 20:07.20 | dserban | wols, so just netstat? |
| 20:08.28 | wols | did I say that? no I did not |
| 20:08.51 | dserban | wols, netstat -a shows nothing |
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| 20:09.15 | dserban | wols, actually not nothing actually, that entry is now not displayed for that port |
| 20:09.19 | wols | dserban: did not say that either. good bye |
| 20:09.31 | Heavy-D | themill: how often will I have to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? |
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| 20:10.20 | marinosi | dserban: lsof -i listss all connections.also you can do lsof -i :port_number |
| 20:10.21 | dserban | what? lol... <wols> dserban: does anything show without -p? <--- what did you say then? |
| 20:10.36 | marinosi | to find something for the specified port |
| 20:10.44 | themill | Heavy-D: not often, usually upgrade is sufficient but if you get packages that are "kept back" when you use "upgrade" then you need to use "dist-upgrade". Consider installing cron-apt if this is a server or update-notifier if this is a desktop. |
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| 20:11.41 | marinosi | dserban: does it work? |
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| 20:11.56 | dserban | marinosi, ok, after doing both (both -i by itself and -i :port_number) nothing is shown. |
| 20:12.22 | marinosi | lsof -i shows nothing? |
| 20:12.25 | marinosi | are you sure? |
| 20:12.40 | dserban | marinosi, rather yes it shows a bunch of stuff but /'ing the port number comes up with nothing |
| 20:13.01 | lleksah | who wants some belgian chocolate ? (free) |
| 20:13.12 | htmlol | hells yes! |
| 20:13.17 | Heavy-D | themill: cool thanks very much, it's a server.. where can I get more info about cron-apt ? |
| 20:13.19 | marinosi | find a known service (that you know it runs e.g sshd ) and do lsof -i :22 |
| 20:13.27 | themill | dpkg: tell Heavy-D about cron-apt |
| 20:13.29 | lleksah | sends some belgian chocolates to htmlol |
| 20:13.32 | marinosi | it doesn't give anything? |
| 20:13.39 | dserban | marinosi, will do |
| 20:14.04 | htmlol | why thank you sir! |
| 20:14.17 | dserban | marinosi, yep, 22 comes up with a few entries. |
| 20:14.41 | dustybin | what causes the delay when one ssh's into a box? |
| 20:14.42 | lleksah | hope they are good |
| 20:14.56 | dustybin | on 1 of my servers there is a long delay before the password prompt comes up |
| 20:14.58 | Heavy-D | Excellent, thanks muchly themill! :) |
| 20:15.00 | marinosi | so..just do lsof -i :port where port the port you want to find out the pid it owns it |
| 20:15.01 | dustybin | on another box its instant? |
| 20:15.18 | themill | Heavy-D: no worries |
| 20:15.26 | dserban | marinosi, yes did that, nothing shows. But that port shows that it's listening via netstat. |
| 20:15.29 | htmlol | dustybin: do ssh -v to find out |
| 20:15.36 | dustybin | aye interesting will do |
| 20:15.39 | alturiak | dustybin: reverse dns lookup of the connecting ip, probably. check if your dns is working |
| 20:15.41 | marinosi | dserban: Be sure to run it as root , or the user thar owns the process which is bound to that port |
| 20:16.04 | dserban | marinosi, ws82:~# lsof -i :58289 |
| 20:16.17 | dustybin | debug1: An invalid name was supplied |
| 20:16.17 | dustybin | Cannot determine realm for numeric host address |
| 20:16.17 | marinosi | dserban: else you don't have the permissions as a simple user to find out a process that it is owned from somebody else, using lsof |
| 20:16.17 | dserban | I'm root, and looked for the port that netstat reported. |
| 20:16.39 | marinosi | dserban: that's strange |
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| 20:16.46 | marinosi | dserban: are you sure? |
| 20:16.52 | dserban | marinosi, hmm I'm root... yeah that's why I asked about it here :)... |
| 20:17.14 | dserban | marinosi, I'll paste all those commands to a pastebin so you can see what I see. Pretty sure I'm doing things right. |
| 20:17.19 | marinosi | dserban: Is a service up at this port now?Can you use nmap to confirm that this port is open? |
| 20:18.04 | dserban | marinosi, nmap, hmm haven't given that a try yet. I'm not too familiar with the commands for nmap, just give it the port? |
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| 20:18.50 | htmlol | just give it the IP |
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| 20:19.47 | andriijas | how do i check battery status in from a terminal? |
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| 20:19.59 | phreak | acpi |
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| 20:20.09 | amphi | andriijas: acpi -b |
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| 20:20.46 | fantomas | When I run alsamixer I got this error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory. Any ideas? |
| 20:21.06 | dserban | marinosi, http://pastebin.org/51653 |
| 20:21.09 | marinosi | dserban: nmap -P0 hostname -p port |
| 20:21.18 | n3kl | fantomas: you don't have the correct modules loaded? |
| 20:21.23 | streuner | fantomas: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 20:22.16 | streuner | !listkeys alsa |
| 20:22.17 | philsf | is there a way, when installing/removing lots of kernel images, to update-grub only once, after all packages are processed? |
| 20:22.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alsa' by key (15 of 82): #debian alsa one-liner ;; _default alsa ;; _default alsa one-liner ;; _default alsa26 ;; _default alsatutorial ;; _default sing the alsa song ;; alsa checklist ;; alsa for azeem ;; alsa install ;; alsa-kernel ;; alsa26 ;; alsadriver ;; alsahowto ;; be alsa advocate ;; ich6alsa. |
| 20:22.28 | streuner | !alsa checklist |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 20:22.29 | milligan_ | Are there any addons for iceweasel, that lets one limit the allowed downloadspeed ? |
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| 20:22.51 | slowbmw | can you use special characters like ? in the bash prompt? how do you escape them or enter them in? |
| 20:22.53 | fantomas | streuner: ty, will try |
| 20:23.25 | streuner | fantomas: what does "lspci -v | grep -i audio" say? |
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| 20:23.31 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 20:23.48 | streuner | dpkg, say hi Doug52392 |
| 20:23.48 | dpkg | hi Doug52392 |
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| 20:23.49 | pzn | I intend to buy an AMD Opteron 1356 (64bits, quad-core, 2.3GHz) to use with debian etch. I had never used any dual or quad core processor with linux. Can I buy it and it will just work natively? |
| 20:24.07 | dana_good | slowbmw: \? enters ? |
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| 20:24.26 | streuner | !listvals opteron |
| 20:24.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'opteron' by value (3): k8 ;; ia64 ;; k7. |
| 20:24.34 | dserban | marinosi, I don't have nmap installed, waiting for aptitude to finish dist-upgrading. |
| 20:24.50 | streuner | !k8 |
| 20:24.50 | dpkg | i heard k8 is the 64-bit AMD processor family (Opteron). See also <amd64>. |
| 20:24.56 | Doug52392 | I'm having an issue with UnrealIRCd, when 5-6 people connect to my IRC server, no one else can connect, they get a "connection refused" error. Everyone on the UnreaIRCd support channel told me it's a network issue with my server, whcih runs Debian |
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| 20:25.06 | streuner | pzn: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 20:25.53 | Doug52392 | It does this even when I connect to "localhost" enough times |
| 20:26.09 | marinosi | dserban: Do it from another machine in the lan , if there is |
| 20:26.23 | dserban | marinosi, installing right now, yep |
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| 20:26.55 | Doug52392 | What could be blocking the connections? |
| 20:27.13 | streuner | pzn: why do you need such fast CPU(s), btw? |
| 20:27.20 | n0mad | hi,- laptop-detect what i does egzactly ? (do i need it on desctop pc?) |
| 20:27.29 | fantomas | streuner: sorry, I forgot I'm on Ubuntu... automatically joint here |
| 20:27.38 | andriijas | amphi: acpi -b says nothing :/ |
| 20:27.46 | streuner | hm, forget alsa checklist then :-) |
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| 20:27.52 | fantomas | streuner: so I think my results can be different |
| 20:27.56 | amphi | andriijas: is the battery module loaded? |
| 20:27.57 | streuner | fantomas: ubuntu doesn't have alsaconf... |
| 20:28.08 | andriijas | amphi: dunno |
| 20:28.19 | streuner | sure, we cannot help then, just #j #ubuntu and ask there please |
| 20:28.24 | andriijas | amphi: modprobe <what> ? |
| 20:28.26 | fantomas | streuner: what do I know - sound runs at max volume and nothing is able to adjust it (default gnome mixer - can't) :) |
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| 20:28.29 | wols | streuner: opterons aren't fast anymore |
| 20:28.33 | amphi | andriijas: er, battery ;) |
| 20:28.52 | andriijas | amphi: : ) |
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| 20:29.11 | streuner | fantomas: #ubuntu |
| 20:29.12 | dserban | marinosi, hmm, nmap doesn't report anything of consequence. |
| 20:29.17 | fantomas | streuner: true |
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| 20:29.38 | dserban | marinosi, PORT STATE SERVICE 58289/tcp open unknown |
| 20:29.43 | grzegorz129 | hi! |
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| 20:30.08 | pzn | streuner: I have an single core amd64 3.8GHz processor, I run several virtualbox-ose in the same computer for providing debian or ubuntu virtualmachines to my customers, it is becaming slow, I would like to upgrade the processor. the debian etch is already amd64 port. so all I need is to change the processor? |
| 20:30.17 | grzegorz129 | i have a gdm - how to change running gui ? |
| 20:30.25 | grzegorz129 | gdm always start fvwm |
| 20:30.35 | grzegorz129 | but i like fvwm-crystal |
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| 20:31.45 | streuner | pzn: there is a reason why i told you about /msg dpkg amd64 -> #debian-amd64 |
| 20:31.56 | htmlol | how do I see what files are currently being modified? |
| 20:32.09 | pzn | streuner: sorry... thanks! |
| 20:32.17 | htmlol | I see my disk space slowly lowering but I have no idea what's causing i |
| 20:32.17 | htmlol | t |
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| 20:32.45 | marinosi | dserban: telnet localhost 58289 |
| 20:33.02 | grzegorz129 | any ideas for my problem ? :( |
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| 20:33.26 | streuner | pzn: sorry, cannot help with that, my new mobo is here, but i didn't installed it yet... |
| 20:33.36 | streuner | (AMD64 too) |
| 20:33.50 | dserban | marinosi, connects just fine and sits there... |
| 20:33.56 | dserban | hrrrm... odd |
| 20:34.15 | andriijas | amphi: its loaded |
| 20:34.18 | superfirelord42 | htmlol: by how much is it lowering? |
| 20:34.27 | superfirelord42 | like what rate? |
| 20:34.29 | andriijas | amphi: still no battery stats :S maybe the battery is broken |
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| 20:35.05 | pzn | streuner: I didn't buy mine yet... I'd like some advise before buying! already asked on #debian-amd64 |
| 20:35.07 | htmlol | superfirelord42: it's lowering at about .01MB every minute or so |
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| 20:37.21 | superfirelord42 | htmlol: how many MB has it lowered so far? |
| 20:37.49 | htmlol | .5 |
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| 20:38.12 | htmlol | for example |
| 20:38.15 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 20:38.16 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 20:38.43 | htmlol | when I said "it's lowering at about .01MB every minute or so", I had 293.58MB free. now, I have 293.56MB free. |
| 20:38.53 | streuner | pzn: seems that some people moved to OFTC (AMD64)... |
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| 20:39.10 | superfirelord42 | hmmm, could be just general operations... or logfiles... |
| 20:39.21 | superfirelord42 | do a du -h /var |
| 20:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | htmlol: lsof |
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| 20:40.14 | superfirelord42 | then later see if its increased alot... i know i had a problem once in debian a little while back with a runaway program filling up my /var dir.... |
| 20:40.37 | htmlol | I see a riddiculous amount of stuff, CutMeOwnThroat. |
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| 20:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | htmlol: I know :) I was just answering your orignial question, though |
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| 20:41.00 | htmlol | thanks. |
| 20:41.29 | superfirelord42 | CutMeOwnThroat: i must have missed his orignial question.... |
| 20:42.03 | htmlol | superfirelord42: no, it's ok, my original question was stupid |
| 20:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | htmlol: although, it's all open files, not just the ones opened for writing |
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| 20:42.23 | htmlol | yeah |
| 20:42.30 | htmlol | I'm sure there are some options though eh |
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| 20:44.22 | Saar | problem with i386 is it is limited to 4 GB unless you use a bigmem kernel which uses some tricks remotely similar to the good old dos upper/lower mem stuff, to up the limit to 64 GB, effectivelly more around 50 something GB |
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| 20:45.12 | Saar | but no one single app can use more than 4 gb |
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| 20:46.00 | superfirelord42 | what app would use 4GB of ram? |
| 20:46.15 | SerajewelKS | superfirelord42: possibly a virtual machine |
| 20:46.22 | SerajewelKS | superfirelord42: or an image/video editor |
| 20:46.31 | newsense | a badly written app lol |
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| 20:46.43 | SerajewelKS | nod or a leaky app |
| 20:46.55 | SerajewelKS | *cough*firefox*cough |
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| 20:47.13 | newsense | is iceweasel bad too? |
| 20:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | htmlol: how about lsof |egrep -v '\.so|proc|pts|FIFO|heap|/dev|socket|/sys/TCP|/s*bin|/SYS' |
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| 20:47.36 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: one rat on a stick, please |
| 20:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | htmlol: only 400 lines of output left for me :) piece of cake to dig through |
| 20:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH: here you go, but I've run out of ketchup |
| 20:48.19 | superfirelord42 | SerajewelKS: actually firefox 3 doesnt have that problem as much with me |
| 20:48.26 | superfirelord42 | it maintains its ram nicely... |
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| 20:48.32 | GomoX | Hey |
| 20:48.55 | cusco | http://www.freebsdos.com/news/wp-content/uploads/daemon-tux-duke-mozilla.jpg - nice |
| 20:49.06 | GomoX | Does anyone know how to go about replacing a dead drive in a software RAID 1 array with a differently sized hard disk? |
| 20:49.23 | htmlol | CutMeOwnThroat: lol yah |
| 20:49.25 | SeveredCross | LOL @ the GNU hanging on the wall. :P |
| 20:49.39 | GomoX | Most stuff on the net uses sfdisk to copy the partition table from one drive to another, and I don't feel like buying and old drive or wasting space on a new one. |
| 20:50.15 | cusco | SeveredCross: how many other projects can u see |
| 20:50.16 | cusco | :p |
| 20:50.29 | n3kl | GomoX: create a partition size of the same size as the other partition? |
| 20:50.31 | wols | GomoX: raid1 disks must always be the same size |
| 20:50.40 | n3kl | GomoX: I am assuming mdadm |
| 20:50.42 | wols | GomoX: or rather only the smallest common size of it can be used |
| 20:50.50 | SeveredCross | cusco: Way too many. |
| 20:50.53 | SeveredCross | I counted at least 12-13. |
| 20:51.03 | cusco | 16 at least |
| 20:51.07 | GomoX | But what if sectors/tracks don't match? |
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| 20:51.16 | cusco | gimp is holding apache |
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| 20:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't matter |
| 20:51.24 | GomoX | Couldn't I just create a slightly larger md-autodect partition on the new drive and use that? |
| 20:51.33 | cusco | the cubes on the table for x and gtk |
| 20:51.37 | SeveredCross | Yep. |
| 20:51.39 | SeveredCross | OpenOffice.org |
| 20:51.49 | SeveredCross | Evolution, OpenSSL, Perl. |
| 20:51.59 | n3kl | GomoX: I wouldn't |
| 20:52.20 | GomoX | n3kl: why not? |
| 20:52.33 | n3kl | GomoX: I think they should be the same size partitions |
| 20:52.45 | GomoX | n3kl: we agree that it might not be possible to create a partition on the new drive that matched exactly the size of the other right? |
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| 20:53.21 | n3kl | GomoX: right. I don't think mdadm cares about the size of the drive so much as the partition |
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| 20:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | htmlol: actually it's not so bad - you can save the size of all opened files, then do the same a couple of minutes later and see which ones grew |
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| 20:54.42 | htmlol | good ide |
| 20:54.44 | GomoX | n3kl: but isn't md capable of merging differently sized partitions? Obviously it would render some space unusable but still it sounds feasible. |
| 20:54.47 | htmlol | a |
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| 20:55.07 | JordiGH | Alright, I think I've figured it out. |
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| 20:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like... lsof |egrep -v '\.so|proc|pts|FIFO|heap|/dev|socket|/sys|TCP|/s*bin|/SYS|DIR' |awk '{print $9}'| xargs du -k |
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| 20:55.51 | Gnurdux | totally unimportant issue that im curious about: when i restart X (i use gdm), it slides X over to another virtual terminal |
| 20:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | prolly will find out it's the irc log growing :-P |
| 20:56.07 | htmlol | whoa |
| 20:56.12 | htmlol | that's what I thought at first |
| 20:56.23 | htmlol | but it shouldn't be growing by that much |
| 20:56.32 | JordiGH | An entry in /etc/udev/rules.d that looks like SUBSYSTEM="block", ATTRIB{serial}="$SERIALNUM", ACTION="remove", RUN += "$the_script" should run $the_script whenever the iPod is unmounted. |
| 20:56.33 | htmlol | I checked the size, the entire folder isn;t that big |
| 20:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | note the ":-P" |
| 20:56.36 | JordiGH | does that sound about right? |
| 20:56.50 | n3kl | GomoX: news to me if it is |
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| 20:57.31 | GomoX | n3kl: ok, thanks anyway |
| 20:57.37 | GomoX | I guess i'll have to buy the drive and see. |
| 20:57.52 | rohan | in sid, the latest version of ruby is 1.8.7, and ruby on rails is 2.1. however, ruby on rails developers say that there are still some bug with that combination, and suggest ruby 1.8.6. yet, why did debian choose to update to the latest ruby on rails? http://www.rubyonrails.org/down |
| 20:57.54 | linkslice | I've installed a second instance of postfix on the same machine and I'm trying to write an init script to start stop only the second instance, running into a problem with start-stop-daemon when I try to pass the flags postfix needs to be aware of the second installation it pukes. here's the line from /etc/init.d/postfix-list: if start-stop-daemon --start --exec ${DAEMON} -c /etc/postfix-list -- quiet-quick-start; then |
| 20:57.59 | n3kl | GomoX: you might try it anyway |
| 20:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | GomoX: as far as I know it is... what I remember from my reading, it will just use the amount of the smallest partition |
| 20:58.13 | n3kl | GomoX: at the risk of your data, but ... |
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| 20:58.43 | JordiGH | rohan: Could be a packaging bug. *shrug* It's sid. |
| 20:58.52 | rohan | also, on debian rails can be installed by using the "rails" debian package, as well as ruby gem. what is preferable? |
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| 20:59.11 | rohan | JordiGH: true, but i was wondering something like debian has solved those bugs or so |
| 20:59.12 | sladi | Should I simply copy icon themes to /usr/share/icons in order to use them? |
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| 20:59.32 | lydgate | so i just removed a DVD drive and replaced it with a different one, but now the new one shows up as /dev/dvd1 etc. hjow |
| 20:59.36 | lydgate | how do i get it to show up as /dev/dvd? |
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| 21:00.18 | wols | lydgate: grep -i dvd /etc/udev/rules.d/* might help |
| 21:00.48 | peppe | lydgate: udev set up a permanent rule. the idea, however, is that you should never need the direct device name |
| 21:01.14 | lydgate | peppe: well, all i know is that mplayer dvd:// no longer works |
| 21:01.22 | lydgate | i now have to specify -dvd-device /dev/dvd1 |
| 21:01.33 | indes | the horror :-p |
| 21:01.59 | lydgate | well, that's mildly annoying since the other drive is not going to be used anymore |
| 21:02.01 | peppe | lydgate: it's mplayer (libdvdread?) fault as they don't use hal >:-) |
| 21:02.03 | wols | lydgate: ls -l /dev/dvdrom |
| 21:02.05 | lydgate | but it's more the principle |
| 21:02.20 | lydgate | wols: ls: /dev/dvdrom: No such file or directory |
| 21:02.31 | indes | ... you could link it to there then ;-) |
| 21:02.38 | lydgate | whereas /dev/dvdrom1 exists |
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| 21:02.44 | wols | IF mplayer honers that |
| 21:02.52 | wols | *honors |
| 21:02.55 | peppe | lydgate: btw, look into /etc/udev/rules.d/something-permanent-cd.rules |
| 21:03.04 | lydgate | peppe: yeah i see that, I think I can fix it |
| 21:03.07 | lydgate | thanks everyone |
| 21:03.07 | indes | ".. except that you need to use dvdnav:// instead of dvd://" |
| 21:03.10 | indes | did you try that? |
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| 21:03.22 | lydgate | indes: doesn't work |
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| 21:03.38 | peppe | lydgate: that's because you can say "ok, _this_ device is now /dev/dvd and it always be, even if I remove it and add another and then add it back again" |
| 21:03.39 | indes | according to the manual: The default DVD device is /dev/dvd. If your setup differs, make a symlink or specify the correct device on the command line with the -dvd-device option. |
| 21:03.42 | kanzure | Permission denied in the execution of a program I just compiled via gcc. I chmod'd it a+x and still get nothing with root. Help? |
| 21:03.49 | lydgate | anyway, as indes implies, it's a minor annoyance, but as peppe says, i shouldn't need the direct device name |
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| 21:04.34 | indes | lydgate, if you have no /dev/dvd - you do. if you compiled with dvdnav support, its dvdnav:// not dvd:// .... minor annoyance can be fixed by simlinking your dvd device to /dev/dvd .... and go on with life :-) |
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| 21:04.52 | indes | (by you do I meant you need the direct device name.) |
| 21:04.56 | lydgate | indes: no. i can change the udev rules |
| 21:04.58 | themill | kanzure: it's probably not in your path. specify the full path or relative path to the executable, e.g. ./thingyoucompiled |
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| 21:05.22 | kanzure | themill: I'm in the dir. |
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| 21:05.47 | themill | kanzure: but the current dir is not in $PATH by default and it should not be, especially for root |
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| 21:05.54 | kanzure | themill: So? |
| 21:05.56 | peppe | kanzure: the current directory (".") may be not present in your path |
| 21:06.00 | kanzure | themill: This has worked before. |
| 21:06.00 | indes | lydgate, according to the manual it is. :-p |
| 21:06.09 | indes | lydgate, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/dvd.html |
| 21:06.09 | kanzure | peppe: It has never needed to be in my path before. :-/ |
| 21:06.10 | themill | kanzure: [22:04] <themill> kanzure: it's probably not in your path. specify the full path or relative path to the executable, e.g. ./thingyoucompiled |
| 21:06.11 | lydgate | indes: other things besides mplayer aren't working |
| 21:06.25 | kanzure | themill: yeah, ./thething is what's giving me the error. |
| 21:06.25 | peppe | I'm wondering why the error is "Permission denied" then and not simply "command not found" |
| 21:06.35 | kanzure | peppe: if I type "thething" I get "command not found" |
| 21:06.41 | indes | kick udev :-) |
| 21:06.41 | kanzure | if I type "./thething" I get permission denied |
| 21:06.43 | lydgate | indes: you're not being helpful |
| 21:06.43 | kanzure | even after chmodding it |
| 21:06.45 | lydgate | thanks everyone else |
| 21:06.51 | peppe | kanzure: what does "file thing" says? ldd thing? |
| 21:06.53 | indes | lol |
| 21:06.55 | themill | kanzure: is the thing you are running actually a shell script? |
| 21:07.05 | kanzure | peppe: file thing -> LSB executable |
| 21:07.11 | peppe | kanzure: paste it |
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| 21:07.16 | kanzure | ldd says not executable |
| 21:07.19 | kanzure | ah, not dynamic executable |
| 21:07.21 | kanzure | what might this mean? |
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| 21:07.28 | kanzure | themill: It is not a shell script. |
| 21:07.34 | peppe | kanzure: did you compile it yourself? |
| 21:07.38 | kanzure | make script |
| 21:07.39 | kanzure | so sort of ? |
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| 21:08.08 | peppe | kanzure: did you compile it with a makefile? |
| 21:08.13 | kanzure | yes |
| 21:08.33 | wols | file <the binary> what does this say? |
| 21:08.46 | peppe | kanzure: paste the last compilation lines on a pastebin, and also the output of file thething |
| 21:08.50 | kanzure | lesson06: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 21:09.06 | wols | why do you use kernel 2.6.8? |
| 21:09.14 | kanzure | Is this bad? |
| 21:09.15 | peppe | wols: that's a standard file output |
| 21:09.16 | peppe | no |
| 21:09.32 | peppe | /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 21:09.35 | peppe | e.g. |
| 21:09.38 | wols | peppe: oh didn't know |
| 21:10.15 | peppe | kanzure: how did you compile it? paste the make output (especially the last parts) on a pastebin |
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| 21:10.47 | kanzure | peppe: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/nehe/lesson06/ have fun |
| 21:10.53 | kanzure | peppe: (that's not me) |
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| 21:11.30 | peppe | gcc (I used egcs 2.91.66), omg, this is older than me ;) |
| 21:12.01 | peppe | kanzure: did you *actually* compile it? or did you run just "make" and make told you that there was nothing to do? |
| 21:12.03 | indes | .... did you download the binary and try to run it.. ? |
| 21:12.18 | kanzure | peppe: Make did not tell me there was nothing to do. gcc, supposedly, did in fact run |
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| 21:12.26 | kanzure | indes: No, I did not download the binary. |
| 21:12.55 | RichiH | what can i use to offer one-click wlan connection to my gf on her laptop? kde programs preferred. i tried a few over the years and all sucked, but perhaps this has changed? |
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| 21:13.02 | peppe | kanzure: paste the gcc output, then |
| 21:13.09 | kanzure | peppe: There was no gcc output. |
| 21:13.11 | peppe | kanzure: if you lost it, make clean && make |
| 21:13.18 | peppe | kanzure: well, how make invoked gcc |
| 21:13.24 | kanzure | look at the file |
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| 21:14.01 | peppe | INCLUDE = -I/usr/include/ , wow, the useless include line ever |
| 21:14.33 | themill | RichiH: network-manager-kde is pretty good, as long as your network is simple and uses dhcp and your chipset supports network-manager. |
| 21:15.08 | RichiH | themill: i will try |
| 21:15.15 | indes | peppe, incase you bork your path |
| 21:15.23 | indes | .. ? is that even possible.. ? lol |
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| 21:15.35 | mohadib_ | is debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso a etch cd? |
| 21:15.42 | streuner | yes |
| 21:15.46 | mohadib_ | thanks |
| 21:15.57 | jberg | hm, can debian lenny be installed from windows without fucking up windows? |
| 21:16.08 | jberg | i put in the cd and it started a windows installer |
| 21:16.14 | peppe | jberg: inside wubi, do you mean? |
| 21:16.21 | htmlol | no, that's ubuntu. |
| 21:16.33 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 21:16.38 | peppe | kanzure: I can't compile it myself because I don't have mesa, glut etc. are you sure that your "Permission denied" isn't an error from your program? |
| 21:16.54 | jberg | ah, it makes me reboot |
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| 21:17.01 | htmlol | jberg: I've heard good things about goodbye-microsoft.org |
| 21:17.07 | kanzure | peppe: It's not in the source. |
| 21:17.15 | peppe | kanzure: what is not? |
| 21:17.22 | kanzure | peppe: The error message. |
| 21:17.28 | kanzure | You just told me it might be an error from the program. |
| 21:17.32 | kanzure | So I checked the source. :) |
| 21:17.32 | mohadib_ | which version should i get for 64bit xeons? |
| 21:17.42 | bhundven | amd64 |
| 21:17.46 | mohadib_ | heh |
| 21:17.47 | streuner | !listvals xeno |
| 21:17.48 | mohadib_ | thats confusing |
| 21:17.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xeno' by value (3): nameif ;; xe ;; debianitis. |
| 21:17.49 | streuner | !listvals xenon |
| 21:17.51 | peppe | kanzure: it could be any glut function that give you that error |
| 21:17.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xenon' by value (1): xe. |
| 21:18.02 | streuner | !xe |
| 21:18.02 | dpkg | hmm... xe is xenon |
| 21:18.06 | streuner | argh |
| 21:18.15 | superfirelord42 | hahaha... thats great!!!! |
| 21:18.16 | mohadib_ | so amd64 it is then? |
| 21:18.17 | indes | kanzure, it builds fine here |
| 21:18.21 | indes | kanzure, and runs too |
| 21:18.22 | bhundven | mohadib_: yes |
| 21:18.26 | streuner | that factoid needs an upgrade |
| 21:18.28 | mohadib_ | cool, thanks :) |
| 21:18.34 | bhundven | np |
| 21:18.34 | peppe | kanzure: you said that you're running it as root, that thing tries to open up a X display, so this thing can fail |
| 21:18.49 | superfirelord42 | streuner: you could tell it the info it needs.... |
| 21:19.13 | peppe | kanzure: for instance, strace yourprogram what does do? |
| 21:19.40 | indes | peppe, it builds nicely here ;-) |
| 21:20.06 | kanzure | peppe: Hm. It doesn't even look like it gets into the program. It's telling me there's an illegal seek, -1 EACCES, hm .. |
| 21:20.07 | peppe | indes: I don't have gl/glut/mesa headers here |
| 21:20.25 | indes | peppe, it only complains about a variables signedness |
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| 21:20.32 | bhundven | mohadib_: I worked for intel when the emt64 stuff was being developed and it was always fun to boot up a new box and see "AMD64" in /proc/cpuinfo and uname... lol |
| 21:20.33 | indes | peppe, other than that it built/linked just fine. |
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| 21:21.24 | indes | peppe, he must have something really borked because the binary I downloaded from there ran |
| 21:21.44 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
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| 21:21.51 | mordy | hello all |
| 21:21.53 | Nyle | hi |
| 21:21.58 | lolie | how can i protect my debian web server from any sort of hack? |
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| 21:22.34 | Nyle | lolie, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 21:22.35 | bhundven | lolie: skill! reading manuals (particularly the apache and iptables manuals) |
| 21:22.38 | JordiGH | Hm, why does bash say that /usr/bin/python is a bad interpreter when I put that in my shebang? |
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| 21:23.03 | lolie | Nyle: thanks |
| 21:23.08 | superfirelord42 | JordiGH: I think it wants you to use /bin/env and specify python |
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| 21:23.31 | superfirelord42 | i dont remember it exactly, i seem to recall its /bin/env -c python or something.... |
| 21:23.43 | streuner | dpkg, no xeon is <reply> The Xeon brand refers to many families of Intel's x86 multiprocessing CPUs â for dual-processor (DP) and multi-processor (MP) configuration on a single motherboard targeted at non-consumer markets of server and workstation computers. For more details see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon |
| 21:23.44 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 21:23.44 | superfirelord42 | but with my luck, im way off... |
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| 21:24.04 | JordiGH | superfirelord42: Hm, tried that. But no. |
| 21:24.28 | streuner | superfirelord42: satisfied? |
| 21:24.34 | JordiGH | superfirelord42: I had "/usr/bin/env python", same complaint. |
| 21:24.42 | JordiGH | It's a python script, you stupid shell! |
| 21:24.49 | rahul | unda ka funda! |
| 21:25.35 | superfirelord42 | i guess the shell doesnt like pythons... does it still run? |
| 21:25.58 | JordiGH | Yeah, "python" at the line brings up a Python shell. |
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| 21:26.43 | superfirelord42 | hmm, maybe python prefers to be invoked at python program.py.... but now im just taking shots in the dark... |
| 21:27.19 | streuner | rahul: Rammel dammel Rammel |
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| 21:29.18 | rahul | stremmel dammel stremmel |
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| 21:29.58 | rahul | mmm streusel |
| 21:30.05 | anonno | what if I deleted my /dev ? (live cd) |
| 21:30.17 | rahul | anonno: reboot |
| 21:30.18 | streuner | why do you want that? |
| 21:30.21 | rahul | heh |
| 21:30.27 | streuner | oh, past tense |
| 21:30.29 | rahul | anonno: did it even work? |
| 21:30.35 | anonno | my system? |
| 21:30.46 | rahul | anonno: did it actually delete anything? |
| 21:30.56 | anonno | the directory |
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| 21:31.11 | rahul | it's a mountpoint, not a directory, probably |
| 21:31.12 | rahul | udev 10240 100 10140 1% /dev |
| 21:31.18 | rahul | look at 'df' |
| 21:31.32 | anonno | so /dev and /dev/pts have to exist then I can restart? |
| 21:32.18 | rahul | nothing gets saved anywhere |
| 21:32.21 | rahul | just restart |
| 21:32.30 | rahul | it's a live CD... you aren't writing to the CD |
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| 21:32.53 | LieZ^ | hi when i log into vnc i just ahave a terminal window no desktop what could be wrong thanks? |
| 21:33.09 | anonno | I broke my working system |
| 21:33.13 | rahul | LieZ^: you didn't set up an X session with a window manager, etc? |
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| 21:33.27 | rahul | anonno: it's a live CD. it will work again when you reboot. |
| 21:33.28 | LieZ^ | not sure how do i do that |
| 21:33.50 | rahul | LieZ^: man xsession... I think vnc looks in ~/.vncsession |
| 21:33.53 | xann | Hello how do I change the PS1 prompt? |
| 21:33.58 | anonno | brb |
| 21:34.00 | anonno | testing |
| 21:34.02 | rahul | (at least, it did... maybe you can look at docs to see if it changed) |
| 21:34.10 | rahul | xann: PS1="sdfasdfasdfsafd" |
| 21:34.16 | rahul | xann: like any other shell variable |
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| 21:35.41 | LieZ^ | not sure what im lookng for to be honest rahul never set up vnc before |
| 21:35.55 | rahul | have you set up X? |
| 21:35.56 | JordiGH | Wtf. Python2.4 is installed, it works, why does bash not want to use it from the shebang? |
| 21:36.06 | JordiGH | I can source the file. "python the_script.py" |
| 21:36.40 | rahul | maybe your #! interpreter is set up to be something ridiculously restrictive? |
| 21:36.41 | LieZ^ | apt-get install xorg? |
| 21:36.51 | milligan_ | valdyn, didn't work with a complete restart of iceweasel either :-\ |
| 21:36.53 | rahul | instead of bash, like you think it is |
| 21:36.55 | JordiGH | rahul: Maybe. It says permission denied. How do I change that? |
| 21:37.04 | Tramp | G G |
| 21:37.07 | rahul | LieZ^: configured a session... ever |
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| 21:37.15 | LieZ^ | nope |
| 21:37.23 | rahul | LieZ^: man xsession |
| 21:37.42 | JordiGH | rahul: It says "bash: the_script.py: /usr/bin/python2.4: bad interpreter: Permission Denied" |
| 21:37.47 | rahul | start a window manager in your .vncsession at least |
| 21:37.58 | rahul | JordiGH: bad interpreter! |
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| 21:38.13 | JordiGH | Yes, bad! Very bad! |
| 21:38.14 | rahul | JordiGH: are you sure that python2.4 is an executable? |
| 21:38.28 | JordiGH | rahul: Yeah, I just checked it. "file /usr/bin/python2.4" |
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| 21:38.33 | JordiGH | It's an ELF> |
| 21:38.34 | JordiGH | . |
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| 21:38.57 | \amethyst | JordiGH: sounds like a noexec filesystem |
| 21:38.58 | rahul | yeah, if it's the standard thing, like I have, it should be fine, theoretically... let me test |
| 21:39.11 | sladi | milligan_: have you tried flash10 beta? |
| 21:39.16 | rahul | \amethyst: if /usr were noexec, he'd have more problems than just that |
| 21:39.25 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Ah! That could be it. |
| 21:39.29 | \amethyst | rahul: perhaps the script is on a noexec fs |
| 21:39.35 | rahul | but maybe that's the only thing he tried :) |
| 21:39.44 | rahul | oh |
| 21:39.45 | JordiGH | The script is on /media/the-iPod |
| 21:39.59 | \amethyst | rahul: then you can run it by invoking python2.4 explicitly, but execing the script would give a similar error |
| 21:40.03 | rahul | one would think that noexec wouldn't get to the point of talking about the interpreter |
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| 21:40.40 | rahul | it would complain that the permission was denied on the script itself, not the interpreter it invokes. stupid linux. |
| 21:41.16 | JordiGH | Let's see if this works now... |
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| 21:41.45 | sladi | milligan_: sorry but I'm pretty sure you shoul get speakertest and alsamixer working first. |
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| 21:42.42 | JordiGH | This is weird. It's not as if making the iPod noexec would give it any extra security in this case. I can still exec the script if I call it with python. |
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| 21:43.11 | rahul | JordiGH: it prevents ELF executables from being run |
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| 21:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, can there be more than one key in id_dsa? |
| 21:43.17 | rahul | for whatever that's worth |
| 21:44.00 | themill | streuner: if you felt like adding what debian archs were suitable for xeons to that factoid that would be even better :) |
| 21:44.08 | rahul | unless you have the ability to interact with libelf via FFI from one of the interpreters you're allowed to use, and figure out how to replace the interpreter with the requested executable on the fly |
| 21:44.49 | streuner | themill: feel free to add amd64 as arch... |
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| 21:45.43 | lxsameer | hi , how can i bind a protocol with a program like smb and samba , i want to do some thing that when user type doc:// in browser my program respond to that localy. |
| 21:46.19 | streuner | themill: sure, good idea, i was just to tired... |
| 21:47.47 | JordiGH | Crap. udev isn't runninig the script I want it to run. Where's the place to look for errors? |
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| 21:47.51 | n3kl | lxsameer: I think that is going to depend on the file manager that you are using |
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| 21:48.50 | streuner | dpkg, xeon is also use amd64 as arch |
| 21:48.51 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 21:49.08 | lxsameer | n3kl : hmmmmmmm , so if i want use this in konqueror then i should write a module for that. ha? |
| 21:49.32 | n3kl | probably |
| 21:49.45 | themill | streuner: :) |
| 21:50.18 | n3kl | streuner: are you a dev? |
| 21:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | can there be more than one key in id_dsa? |
| 21:51.13 | LieZ^ | how do you enable XDMCP through terminal? |
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| 21:51.28 | streuner | n3kl: no, iam not a DD |
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| 21:51.58 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: I doubt it |
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| 21:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how inconvenient |
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| 21:53.43 | rahul | LieZ^: install xdm or gdm or kdm or wdm |
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| 21:54.05 | rahul | LieZ^: how would you enable it otherwise? |
| 21:54.50 | rahul | LieZ^: oh, or maybe man xorg and use the -query option |
| 21:55.20 | mordy | jhas anyone ever tried the "Absolute" option in xorg.conf? |
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| 21:55.59 | rahul | LieZ^: do you have a display manager and want to have it listen to the network? probably disabled by default... check docs. they're all probably different |
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| 21:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess , I think |
| 21:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | for xdm, that is |
| 22:00.00 | TiMiDo | i have a question which distribution has the lastest packages up to date testing or sid? |
| 22:00.22 | dagnasty_ | sid |
| 22:00.31 | TiMiDo | oh okey, |
| 22:00.31 | TiMiDo | cool |
| 22:00.50 | dagnasty_ | but you do know that is the unstable branch right? |
| 22:01.13 | n0mad | iTCO_wdt - what is this? |
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| 22:05.12 | seabas | Hi, I want to use dkim to sign outgoing mail. I'm using postfix, and have heard of the dkim-filter package. I'm using etch, so the package isn't available there - is it not advisable to try the package from testing? Or maybe someone even has postfix + dkim set up and wants to share experiences how the setup went? |
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| 22:07.48 | kanzure | Hm. This is odd. The "permission denied" errors are also for various scripts with a #!/usr/bin/perl at the beginning. What's going on? |
| 22:08.01 | rahul | kanzure: noexec |
| 22:08.12 | kanzure | rahul: A variable? |
| 22:08.19 | rahul | kanzure: a mount option |
| 22:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagnasty_: if he did, he probably wouldn't ask this question :) |
| 22:08.23 | kanzure | hrm |
| 22:08.29 | rahul | kanzure: are the scripts on a removable disk? |
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| 22:08.33 | asoot | hi |
| 22:08.33 | kanzure | rahul: yep |
| 22:08.37 | rahul | kanzure: there you go |
| 22:08.45 | kanzure | rahul: but I mounted them earlier today just fine |
| 22:08.56 | rahul | kanzure: of course. they'll mount fine. with noexec. |
| 22:09.10 | kanzure | the /etc/fstab file shows that noexec is not activated |
| 22:09.22 | rahul | for that specific mountpoint? |
| 22:09.27 | asoot | is someone familar with squid here: what could be wrong here: http://nopaste.info/395be540ff.html ? i already tried visible_hostname, but then "FATAL: Bungled squid.conf line 2887: visible_hostname" |
| 22:09.28 | kanzure | correct |
| 22:09.31 | rahul | what does just "mount" say? |
| 22:09.42 | kanzure | rahul: it says noexec |
| 22:09.47 | rahul | there you go |
| 22:09.52 | kanzure | but /etc/fstab .. |
| 22:09.52 | kanzure | hrm |
| 22:10.05 | rahul | but but but :) |
| 22:10.10 | rahul | shrugs |
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| 22:10.17 | kanzure | now to figure out what's writing to the drive :) |
| 22:10.19 | rahul | whatever is mounting it is adding noexec on the command line |
| 22:10.20 | kanzure | so I can dismount :) |
| 22:10.32 | rahul | your shell probably has the dir open |
| 22:10.34 | rahul | cd out of it |
| 22:10.53 | kanzure | didn't work |
| 22:11.00 | kanzure | I had a few shells open to a few dirs on it, but no longer |
| 22:11.02 | kanzure | still can't umount |
| 22:11.07 | kanzure | what about a kwrite open on a file ? |
| 22:11.16 | rahul | that'll do it, too |
| 22:11.24 | sladi | How should I change the icons in Iceweasel3 and GTK apps like Bluefish?? |
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| 22:11.38 | kanzure | rahul: and what about being logged in as a user on there but then logged in as another user in / ? |
| 22:11.39 | kanzure | heh' |
| 22:11.42 | sladi | I mean the GTK open-file-dialog |
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| 22:13.57 | indes | sladi, GTK used to be themeable |
| 22:14.04 | kanzure | rahul: Thank you. |
| 22:14.17 | indes | sladi, gnome used to have a manager that would allow you to install/use GTK themes... if that changed, I don't know... |
| 22:14.18 | kanzure | rahul: The trick is to mount via mount /dev/hdd /mnt/pt not mount /mnt/pt |
| 22:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | kazol: fuser -m /path/to/drive/ |
| 22:15.52 | sladi | indes: Thanks. I used the KGT-theme switcher but there were now icon controls. The Gnome-appearance-editor complains about the missing deamon so not all functions are working. I guess I should try starting the deamon. |
| 22:15.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 22:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure: ^ ^ |
| 22:16.04 | kazol | ? |
| 22:16.16 | kazol | Everyone gets the nicks confused. |
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| 22:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry... dunno what happened with autocomplete |
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| 22:16.30 | rahul | kanzure: the former bypasses fstab |
| 22:16.39 | indes | sladi, could help :-p |
| 22:16.47 | rahul | CutMeOwnThroat: you used an inferior irc client |
| 22:16.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's set to use the nick that talked last, if the start is ambiguous... should have worked |
| 22:16.58 | kanzure | rahul: Odd. fstab's entry is good though |
| 22:17.01 | sladi | indes: ^^ |
| 22:17.10 | rahul | kanzure: yeah... I have no idea... |
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| 22:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start an irc client war |
| 22:17.30 | dpkg | irssi owns |
| 22:17.38 | htmlol | irssi owns |
| 22:17.39 | indes | noo!! :-p |
| 22:17.42 | htmlol | dpkg: ^5 |
| 22:17.43 | dpkg | htmlol: ^5 |
| 22:17.49 | htmlol | ooooh yeah. |
| 22:17.56 | kanzure | telnet for the win |
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| 22:18.16 | indes | you hand code the IRC protocol on the fly do ya? |
| 22:18.18 | indes | slick. |
| 22:18.22 | duton | i vote for rhapsody and kvirc and xchat .. oops can only select one? |
| 22:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure: but if you just want to change a mount option, you don't really need to umount |
| 22:18.31 | kanzure | I'm nostalgic for the days of flipping bits via smoke signals. |
| 22:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | only CPIP can be relied on |
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| 22:21.57 | sladi | indes: Thank you, it works! :) |
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| 22:22.09 | indes | :-) np slackd00d |
| 22:22.11 | indes | err sladi |
| 22:22.17 | indes | sorry slackd00d .. bad tab complete. :-( |
| 22:22.25 | asoot | how set squid to use more than 1 outgoing ip? |
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| 22:22.47 | sladi | ^^ |
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| 22:29.43 | debCarlos | Hi... i have a doubt.. Does AIM is better/more secure than ICQ? |
| 22:30.42 | quagga | since they both use the same protocal these days, why does it matter? |
| 22:30.49 | seabas | debCarlos: I think this is quite OT, but let me say this: Use Jabber. |
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| 22:33.31 | debCarlos | quagga: didn't know it ^^. seabas: I'll give it a try :) |
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| 22:36.14 | curtmack | How can I change my default screensaver daemon-type-thingy from gnome-screensaver to xscreensaver? |
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| 22:42.44 | docmax | can make check for dependencies and make a apt-get automaticly? |
| 22:43.02 | Nibbl | no |
| 22:43.22 | Nibbl | well, you can edit Makefile to do so. |
| 22:43.28 | Nibbl | but i have not seen this yet :) |
| 22:43.46 | docmax | when making ./configure i get |
| 22:43.48 | docmax | checking for /usr/local/classpath/include/jni.h... no |
| 22:43.48 | docmax | configure: error: cannot find jni.h |
| 22:43.53 | n3kl | docmax: apt-get build-dep pkg I think |
| 22:44.11 | Nibbl | whenever is start my wine, my screen gets totally scrambled... somehow in blocks swapped left/right and stuff... any hint? |
| 22:44.17 | docmax | i dont know which package has that jni.h |
| 22:44.19 | liable | docmax: use apt-file to find what package its in |
| 22:44.27 | docmax | alright |
| 22:44.53 | docmax | i dont have apt-file |
| 22:45.01 | n3kl | docmax: install it |
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| 22:45.26 | docmax | oh ok |
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| 22:46.52 | docmax | n3kl, thanks man! good tool |
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| 22:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dat was easy, woznt it? |
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| 22:48.48 | frank_white | whats the best way to change the GID of a group? |
| 22:49.03 | frank_white | i'd like to switch two groups GIDs without f'n up my system |
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| 22:49.26 | Nibbl | and change the file-ownerships? |
| 22:49.31 | Nibbl | vi /etc/groups |
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| 22:49.56 | frank_white | yeah I guess I have to? |
| 22:50.02 | Nibbl | and passwd... |
| 22:50.10 | Nibbl | for the primary groups |
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| 22:50.35 | frank_white | on an NFS mount, how does having a GID that doesnt align properly affect it |
| 22:50.53 | frank_white | currently my 'staff' group is aligning to the 'uucp' group on a remote system |
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| 22:54.04 | humbolt | how do I mknod /dev/sda1? |
| 22:54.44 | Nibbl | rw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 2008-07-16 01:48 /dev/sda1 |
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| 22:57.23 | LieZ^ | anyone know anything about configuring proftpd? |
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| 22:59.54 | LieZ^ | noone ever configured it? |
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| 23:05.00 | stiv2k | Hello I am having issues pasting a directory into another directory thats a CIFS/Samba share. It always says permission denied after it creates the root directory and then I have to copy it over again to make the subdirectories and individual files. Why is this? |
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| 23:05.41 | Xavura | How do I set the keyboard layout to en-GB |
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| 23:09.16 | debCarlos | Xavura: dpkg-reconfigure console-data or using loadkeys... |
| 23:09.24 | Xavura | Well |
| 23:09.26 | Xavura | it's on Ubuntu |
| 23:09.29 | Xavura | Is it the same? |
| 23:09.38 | debCarlos | Yep |
| 23:09.41 | Xavura | and I do have a good reason for not asking in Ubuntu |
| 23:09.42 | tetraedr_ | does someone knows some open source web-based knowledge base? |
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| 23:10.03 | Xavura | debCarlos: What else does that command do? |
| 23:10.11 | Xavura | It doesn't seem very keyboard layout specific |
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| 23:10.35 | Xavura | Does it change other things, is what I mean |
| 23:10.50 | debCarlos | Xavura: No |
| 23:11.06 | Xavura | Do I need sudo to do it? |
| 23:11.10 | amphi | it just loads a keymap; if you use loadkeys, the change will be lost at next boot |
| 23:11.15 | debCarlos | Xavura: Yes |
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| 23:11.26 | Xavura | Can you paste passwords into the terminal for sudo? |
| 23:11.42 | Xavura | If not I'm screwed, my password is full of symbols and en-US switches everything around from en-GB |
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| 23:12.28 | themill | Xavura: If you are using ubuntu then that is a reason to ask in #ubuntu and not here. |
| 23:12.31 | debCarlos | Xavura I think no... but you can try, just copy and in the terminal do SHIFT+INSERT or just right-click and paste :) |
| 23:12.47 | Xavura | themill: I am banned. |
| 23:12.54 | Xavura | Package `console-data' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 23:12.54 | themill | Xavura: Not our problem. |
| 23:13.12 | Xavura | I didn't say it was, but I need to try |
| 23:13.25 | Xavura | I need to change my keyboard layout, I can't do jack with en-US |
| 23:13.42 | themill | Xavura: Ubuntu is not on-topic here. Please move on, perhaps making peace with the #ubuntu ops is a starting point. |
| 23:13.43 | Xavura | You have no idea how hard it makes it to code |
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| 23:13.55 | Xavura | themill: You think I haven't tried? |
| 23:13.56 | debCarlos | Xavura: Weird, you have to install it.. |
| 23:14.09 | Xavura | They told me that it is the same on EVERY OS/Distro so just ask somewhere else |
| 23:14.23 | enouf | Xavura: 'they' were and are mistaken |
| 23:14.26 | amphi | Xavura: what's wrong with us keyboard layout for coding? |
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| 23:14.40 | amphi | Xavura: ##linux perhaps |
| 23:14.45 | themill | amphi: it sucks pretty badly if you have a UK keyboard... |
| 23:14.45 | Xavura | tried |
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| 23:14.58 | Xavura | Err amphi, try err, maybe, not being American for starters? |
| 23:15.15 | enouf | Xavura: no you haven't |
| 23:15.22 | themill | Xavura: anyway. Ubuntu is off topic, that you are banned there doesn't make it on-topic here. Please go away now. |
| 23:15.56 | Xavura | Yes I did enouf |
| 23:16.05 | Xavura | Do I have to go away? Or just stop being off-topic? |
| 23:16.09 | enouf | not within the last 6-8 hours |
| 23:16.17 | Xavura | enouf, look harder... |
| 23:16.39 | dcsimon | I just upgraded my gcc to 4.3.1 and I want to rebuild my kernel (2.6.24.2) is there anything I have to do to prep the source for this new version of gcc? |
| 23:16.45 | enouf | Xavura: ok, my bad - you asked a one-liner of 5 words |
| 23:16.50 | amphi | themill: there aren't many differences, and the redundant key on .uk keyboards makes a handy compose key ;) |
| 23:16.53 | kvnet | Xavura: loadkeys? |
| 23:16.55 | Xavura | I'm sorry, should I rephrase it into a novel? |
| 23:17.00 | enouf | sorry 8 |
| 23:17.04 | Xavura | It only needed that many words. |
| 23:17.14 | enouf | Xavura: no, should i ask your momma for a date? |
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| 23:17.25 | Xavura | If you want. |
| 23:17.26 | abrotman | uh? |
| 23:17.30 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:17.39 | amphi | themill: having single and double quotes on the same key makes more sense, at least to me |
| 23:17.46 | Xavura | Not really |
| 23:17.47 | enouf | it's just as inappropriate |
| 23:18.12 | themill | amphi: the differences are enough to be problematic. I know, I did it for about two years. I had problems with not being able to actually get certain characters at all... pita all over. |
| 23:18.19 | enouf | amphi: wait, no single and double on GB keyboards? wtf is that? |
| 23:18.42 | Xavura | Double quote is above 2 here |
| 23:18.49 | Xavura | Apostrophe is below " |
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| 23:18.58 | Xavura | That should have been an [at] sign |
| 23:18.59 | enouf | amphi: is that why i see `word' in the man pages? :-P |
| 23:18.59 | amphi | enouf: for some bizarre reason, @ is shift_-single_quote, and " is shift-2 |
| 23:19.03 | Xavura | Your keyboard layout is messed up. |
| 23:19.33 | enouf | amphi: O_o |
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| 23:20.00 | htmlol | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/KB_United_Kingdom.svg |
| 23:20.03 | lfs | Does Firefox have Java? |
| 23:20.23 | amphi | enouf: and there's an extra key, because tilde is moved off shift-` to make room for a very useful right-angle thing I forget the digraph for |
| 23:20.38 | abrotman | lfs: you mean? can you get java for iceweasel? |
| 23:20.53 | Xavura | All I can find on google is bug reports and svn commits and stuff |
| 23:20.54 | enouf | amphi: haha @ right-angled thingy :-) |
| 23:21.02 | Xavura | Is there no command to just change the keyboard layout? |
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| 23:21.14 | amphi | enouf: you know the Thing of which I speak? |
| 23:21.15 | Xavura | Google fail :( |
| 23:21.31 | enouf | amphi: no sir - but i like your description just swell ;) |
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| 23:22.01 | amphi | enouf: when Xavura sorts his keyboard config, perhaps he'll give you one |
| 23:22.15 | Xavura | :S |
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| 23:22.38 | enouf | amphi: actually, i may give him something before that ;-) |
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| 23:22.40 | PeterFA | What's the apt-get command to clear out even the config files? is it purge? |
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| 23:22.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:22.59 | lfs | Something like that |
| 23:23.01 | amphi | enouf: you were e're a generous soul |
| 23:23.07 | PeterFA | Why didn't mysqld lose it's root password? |
| 23:23.07 | Xavura | Wow, the ubuntu ops are such evil people |
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| 23:23.11 | amphi | *e'er |
| 23:23.14 | lfs | I am ttying to use java app on Firefox |
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| 23:23.22 | abrotman | PeterFA: because it's in the database ? |
| 23:23.26 | abrotman | Xavura: we really don't care .. |
| 23:23.35 | abrotman | lfs: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:23.35 | PeterFA | abrotman, hrmm. |
| 23:23.36 | Xavura | They could have simply told me System > Preferences > Keyboard |
| 23:23.38 | Xavura | but nooooo |
| 23:23.54 | themill | Xavura: that doesn't change the login screen though. |
| 23:23.54 | Xavura | abrotman: Ooook then |
| 23:23.55 | abrotman | PeterFA: be my guess anyways .. maybe ask #mysql |
| 23:23.58 | PeterFA | abrotman, then I have to clear the tables. |
| 23:24.00 | Xavura | It doesn't? |
| 23:24.02 | Xavura | Why not?! |
| 23:24.07 | Xavura | Silly... |
| 23:24.07 | abrotman | Xavura: Ubuntu is not supported here .. either install debian or go away |
| 23:24.10 | htmlol | Xavura: that's only if you use gnome |
| 23:24.13 | Xavura | I have Debian on my VPS |
| 23:24.17 | Xavura | What you gonna do now? |
| 23:24.19 | abrotman | does it run gnome? |
| 23:24.25 | debCarlos | xDD |
| 23:24.35 | Xavura | I'm going to send my GrueBot to eat you. |
| 23:24.41 | htmlol | Xavura: we're going to answer questions about the debian system and not the ubuntu one, that's what |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | PeterFA: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 23:24.52 | abrotman | htmlol: no .. we're not |
| 23:24.54 | enouf | Xavura: everyone will now collectively ig you since you've been such an annoyance |
| 23:24.57 | Xavura | I wasn't asking questions, well I put question marks but err I wasn't looking for answers |
| 23:25.01 | PeterFA | abrotman, thanks. |
| 23:25.06 | htmlol | abrotman: hehehehe sounds good |
| 23:25.14 | themill | Xavura: please try to be more signal and less noise in the channel or you'll end up banned here too... |
| 23:25.21 | Xavura | I was just pointing out the pointlessness of having a place to change the layout and having it only apply to half of the system :) |
| 23:25.30 | Xavura | I don't see how that's so bad |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | Xavura: if you need support for your Ubuntu system, ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 23:25.44 | Xavura | I'm not asking for support any more, jesus christ |
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| 23:25.55 | abrotman | so you'll stop talking? |
| 23:25.57 | htmlol | that means you're off topic |
| 23:26.06 | Xavura | Err |
| 23:26.12 | Xavura | none of you are asking for support so you are all off topic |
| 23:26.18 | Xavura | Everyone is a frickin' nazi on this network |
| 23:26.20 | debCarlos | xDD |
| 23:26.24 | htmlol | we wouldn't be if it weren't for you |
| 23:26.29 | Xavura | Yeah, right. |
| 23:26.33 | amphi | hugs his armband |
| 23:26.38 | htmlol | (off-topic, not nazis) |
| 23:26.42 | abrotman | Xavura: if you don't like the network ... don't use it |
| 23:26.47 | enouf | raises his arm .. |
| 23:26.53 | htmlol | Xavura: /disconnect |
| 23:27.00 | Sling | shouts some german things |
| 23:27.01 | enouf | to scratch his underarm :-P |
| 23:27.03 | Xavura | htmlol: If I want to disconnect, I will, I don't need you to tell me. |
| 23:27.19 | amphi | enouf: you suspect simian qualities? |
| 23:27.47 | enouf | amphi: heh, oh, might even be of the specious genus :-p |
| 23:27.53 | JordiGH | When apt-get build-dep can't satisfy dependencies, does it mention all the deps it can't satisfy, or only the first one it runs into? |
| 23:27.56 | htmlol | just trying to help. after all, you said you didn't like the network. |
| 23:28.07 | Xavura | I didn't I said everyone is a nazi on this network |
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| 23:28.16 | abrotman | yes, you did |
| 23:28.21 | htmlol | so you like nazis? |
| 23:28.24 | superfirelord42 | yeah you did... |
| 23:28.31 | n3kl | I prefer the stalins |
| 23:28.33 | htmlol | because I took that to have a negative connotation |
| 23:28.34 | debCarlos | It's true... "Everyone is a frickin' nazi on this network" xDD |
| 23:28.36 | Xavura | By which I meant, people on this network get a thrill out of being arrogant and provoking people etc. |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 23:29.11 | htmlol | points at #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 23:29.20 | Xavura | points at the scroll-back and the fact that I am definitely not the only one contributing to this off-topic-ness |
| 23:29.27 | superfirelord42 | !offtopic |
| 23:29.27 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 23:29.41 | Xavura | shuts up, but if you guys are talking off-topic, why do I get moaned at when I join in? |
| 23:29.57 | abrotman | just move the whole discussion to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:30.03 | abrotman | there is no finger pointing .. just move it |
| 23:30.24 | Xavura | There's nothing to move, so, end of :P |
| 23:30.44 | kvnet | Xavura: you are wasting time and your keyboard layout is still wrong |
| 23:30.53 | Xavura | Well I can't find out how to fix it |
| 23:31.02 | Xavura | Wait, I mean, kvnet shh that is off topic. |
| 23:31.03 | abrotman | then ask #ubuntu |
| 23:31.13 | Xavura | I would if I could. |
| 23:31.20 | abrotman | then try ##linux .. last warning |
| 23:31.21 | htmlol | again, not our problem |
| 23:31.28 | Xavura | I didn't say it was!!! |
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| 23:31.33 | Xavura | abrotman: started the convo again, jesus |
| 23:31.35 | htmlol | you're making it. |
| 23:31.41 | htmlol | you're implying it. |
| 23:32.04 | newsense | smite |
| 23:32.08 | Xavura | kvnet mentioned my keyboard layout, not ME |
| 23:32.18 | abrotman | i didn't start anything .. now dropit |
| 23:32.34 | Xavura | I already did, if you'd look up, dropped for a 2nd time |
| 23:32.45 | enouf | ... |
| 23:32.56 | enouf | <sigh> |
| 23:33.02 | htmlol | "but mooooooomyyyyyy, he started it!!!!" |
| 23:33.08 | Xavura | shh off topic |
| 23:33.18 | debCarlos | lol |
| 23:33.19 | superfirelord42 | rolles his eyes |
| 23:33.26 | newsense | !fight |
| 23:33.27 | dpkg | smacks newsense upside the head |
| 23:33.37 | superfirelord42 | nice.... |
| 23:33.42 | newsense | lol |
| 23:33.46 | JordiGH | Fuck. There's no way to backport Rhythmbox. |
| 23:33.56 | Xavura | You do it to me, but I can't do it to you? :P |
| 23:34.01 | htmlol | !fight Xavura |
| 23:34.08 | htmlol | doesn't work. :( |
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| 23:34.10 | lfs | I have java virtual machine installed but Firefox has no Java |
| 23:34.14 | abrotman | JordiGH: why bother ? |
| 23:34.20 | Xavura | lfs: I think it needs a plug-in... |
| 23:34.24 | themill | lfs: i386 or amd64? |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | lfs: which java do you have installed ? |
| 23:34.26 | Xavura | Separate from the machine |
| 23:34.51 | lfs | How to test Debian:/home/lfs# aptitude install java-virtual-machine |
| 23:35.03 | kvnet | Xavura: setxkbmap gb ? |
| 23:35.09 | Xavura | I tried it |
| 23:35.18 | themill | lfs: what's the output of: uname -r |
| 23:35.25 | Xavura | It didn't work for the log-in screen and again, after restarting it was back to en-US |
| 23:35.34 | abrotman | lfs: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:35.41 | abrotman | Xavura: STOP |
| 23:35.42 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# uname -r |
| 23:35.42 | lfs | 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 23:36.10 | Xavura | abrotman: What is your problem, look up, kvnet spoke to ME, I simply replied |
| 23:36.23 | abrotman | then ignore him |
| 23:36.28 | htmlol | regardless of who started it, the mods will finish it |
| 23:36.38 | Xavura | No way? |
| 23:36.41 | Xavura | I learnt that in #ubuntu. |
| 23:36.48 | JordiGH | abrotman: The Rhythmbox in etch is buggy with a 3rd gen iPod shuffle. I can't figure out how to make Amarok work with it. It looks like gtkpod works, but its interface isn't too friendly. I hope my mom can put up with it. |
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| 23:36.57 | loca|host | hello all |
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| 23:37.05 | htmlol | evidently you didn't learn a thing.... |
| 23:37.12 | abrotman | Xavura: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 23:37.18 | lfs | How to test if I have Java on Firefox? |
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| 23:37.20 | loca|host | is there any guide to make X11 display forwarding from my console server to my debian gnome desktop ? |
| 23:37.24 | abrotman | lfs: about:plugins |
| 23:37.41 | themill | java amd64 |
| 23:37.44 | superfirelord42 | i was trying to figure out what that did, hehe... |
| 23:37.52 | lfs | ? |
| 23:39.08 | n3kl | rm -Rf root/ |
| 23:39.14 | n3kl | ww |
| 23:39.19 | indes | hehe |
| 23:39.24 | abrotman | lfs: did you /msg dpkg install java ? |
| 23:39.24 | htmlol | hehehe |
| 23:39.37 | loca|host | anyone ? |
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| 23:39.47 | abrotman | loca|host: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:41.08 | lfs | I went to http://www.javatester.org/version.html |
| 23:41.33 | lfs | And I get java runtime environment not available |
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| 23:42.03 | newsense | whats a program for linux thats comparable to windows limewire or frostwire ? |
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| 23:42.07 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# aptitude install java-virtual-machine |
| 23:42.12 | lfs | I ran the above |
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| 23:42.44 | lfs | <---Very confused |
| 23:43.01 | kvnet | lfs: I had some problems in amd64, are you using 64 bits ? |
| 23:43.08 | lfs | yes |
| 23:43.28 | kvnet | well after some problesm I started using swiftweasel for java and flash webpages |
| 23:44.02 | kvnet | lfs: http://swiftweasel.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 23:44.23 | kvnet | lfs: but I recommend ubuntu, you will waste less time of your life |
| 23:44.43 | abrotman | kvnet: stop |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | lfs: did you /msg dpkg install java ? |
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| 23:46.04 | adama | I'm missing some package? My weather applet has a box with a X through it instead of a degrees symbol |
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| 23:47.10 | abrotman | adama: it's possible the service is down |
| 23:48.03 | superfirelord42 | abrotman: sounds like he is missing some font stuff... |
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| 23:48.25 | adama | no it shows the temp and conditions, just missing the little o ( ° if it was HTML) |
| 23:48.34 | dagnasty_ | newsense: try the program nicotine, it is basically soulseek |
| 23:49.14 | abrotman | adama: screenshot? picpaste.com |
| 23:49.37 | adama | k |
| 23:49.44 | superfirelord42 | dagnasty_: i think newssense left a bit ago... |
| 23:50.06 | dagnasty_ | superfirelord42: ok i ran up to make supper just before i was about to reply |
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| 23:53.30 | linkmaster03 | what line can i add to my sources.list on etch so i can get and install the latest java jre and openjdk through apt-get? |
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| 23:56.34 | adama | abrotman: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot22.png |
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| 23:57.07 | abrotman | linkmaster03: there is a java6 package at backports.org |
| 23:57.31 | abrotman | adama: is it 14 degrees celsius ? |
| 23:57.42 | abrotman | adama: it might very well be a font issue |
| 23:57.56 | adama | abrotman: yep it is |
| 23:58.24 | htmlol | yeah looks like the font is having problems with the degree symbol |
| 23:58.35 | adama | abrotman: not sure how to track down such a font issue |
