| 00:00.01 | up365 | Ryan52, there goes my warranty and gonzaloaf also ;) |
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| 00:06.36 | daemon | hey guys |
| 00:06.46 | daemon | i need to give one of my vserver customers full access to tun |
| 00:06.49 | daemon | he needs openvpn |
| 00:06.54 | daemon | how should I grant him that access |
| 00:08.20 | mohadib | is this the right command to get pidgin from unstable? apt-get install -t unstable pidgin |
| 00:08.33 | mohadib | im in lenny , and that command claims i already have the latest |
| 00:08.38 | mohadib | i have not set up apt-pinning at all |
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| 00:11.21 | jaggz1 | is synaptic okay to use or should I stick with aptitude? (re: better handling of dependencies and auto-installed packages) |
| 00:11.53 | Guerin | jaggz1: aptitude |
| 00:11.53 | Corkster | both work well |
| 00:11.57 | mohadib | arent they both fron ends to apt? |
| 00:12.03 | Guerin | mohadib: no |
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| 00:13.12 | mohadib | ok , ones a gui frontend while the other is a "high end" interface |
| 00:13.27 | mohadib | i doubt it has a whole lot of differnce when it comes to dep management |
| 00:13.46 | jaggz1 | I want the automatically installed packages to be handled well |
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| 00:14.07 | jaggz1 | Guerin, so why do you recommend aptitude? (thanks by the way) |
| 00:14.16 | Guerin | !why aptitude |
| 00:14.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude is also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:15.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: why aptitude =~ s/Aptitude is also/Aptitude can also/ |
| 00:15.50 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 00:16.07 | jaggz1 | then we should have a kaptitude for kde :) |
| 00:16.12 | dondelelcaro | why? |
| 00:16.17 | mohadib | its a cli |
| 00:16.24 | mohadib | what does kde have to do with it :s |
| 00:16.32 | Guerin | it's cli or curses, your choice |
| 00:16.34 | jaggz1 | I'm using KDE, of course. |
| 00:16.46 | mohadib | well , its not qt :s |
| 00:16.54 | Guerin | of course. Anyone making such an idiotic claim would be a KDE user. |
| 00:17.03 | mohadib | just make a link to it called kaptitude |
| 00:17.21 | jaggz1 | lol |
| 00:17.24 | Sazpaimon | apt-get upgrade is trying to install linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64, but i have linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 installed |
| 00:17.25 | Guerin | !lol |
| 00:17.25 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:17.51 | Sazpaimon | actually i know a retarded guy that says "loal" when he laughs |
| 00:18.00 | mohadib | !PLOX FOR HUGTIME @ Guerin |
| 00:18.09 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:18.50 | Sazpaimon | anyway, will installing linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 ovwerwrite my lilo conf? |
| 00:19.00 | jaggz1 | roflmfaostc |
| 00:19.04 | Sazpaimon | if so i'll just put the package on hold |
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| 00:19.28 | nevyn | Sazpaimon: no it won't and wtf are you still using lilo for? |
| 00:19.30 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: just put it on hold. |
| 00:19.41 | Guerin | and I second nevyn's question |
| 00:19.49 | nevyn | Sazpaimon: it'll rewrite the vmlinuz symlink. |
| 00:20.20 | Sazpaimon | I dont know it came with my server which came with woody about 5 years ago |
| 00:20.27 | Guerin | fail |
| 00:20.30 | peterrooney | i'll use grub whenever the hell it gets documented how to actually use it. |
| 00:20.31 | Guerin | !grub |
| 00:20.31 | dpkg | hmm... grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 00:20.39 | Sazpaimon | ive just ran dist-upgrade over and over |
| 00:20.43 | Guerin | grub is very well documented |
| 00:20.45 | nevyn | peterrooney: I used to be there.. honest |
| 00:20.54 | mohadib | Sazpaimon: wow |
| 00:20.59 | nevyn | peterrooney: but it's actually awesome once you take the step of learning it. |
| 00:21.08 | Guerin | which is not a very big step |
| 00:21.11 | Sazpaimon | I really dont want to mess with my server's mbr, the most access I have to it is serial console |
| 00:21.20 | jaggz1 | grub knows the fs.. that's nice. |
| 00:21.22 | daemon | hey guys im being told to do this on my vserver: (in /var/lib/vser...) ./MAKEDEV tun; tunctl -t tap0 |
| 00:21.31 | daemon | as the host |
| 00:21.37 | daemon | but MAKEDEV is not found |
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| 00:21.50 | daemon | and tunctl does not appear to add the tun0 driver in the /dev of my vserver |
| 00:22.13 | Guerin | daemon: don't ask us to ratify advice you're getting from elsewhere. If you run a business and your customers are relying on you to not be crap, you'll be needing to pay someone competent to do your admin for you. |
| 00:22.21 | Corkster | anyone gotta link for multimedia howto in x64 lenny ? |
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| 00:22.36 | daemon | Guerin, and if im a normal everyday guy trying to get my openvpn working by reading and online tutorial? |
| 00:22.45 | Guerin | daemon: you're not. |
| 00:22.55 | Sazpaimon | so if i install grub it will automatically change over the mbr and it'll be grub on reboot? |
| 00:23.02 | Guerin | daemon: (if you were, you'd ask #openvpn) |
| 00:23.03 | daemon | Guerin, whatever. grow up |
| 00:23.21 | Guerin | daemon: did you or did you not already inform us that you're not? |
| 00:23.30 | daemon | Guerin, did not |
| 00:23.40 | peterrooney | daemon: did too. |
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| 00:23.47 | daemon | Guerin, for a start I run a FreeBSD server |
| 00:23.47 | daemon | not debian |
| 00:23.51 | Guerin | 12:06:49 < daemon> i need to give one of my vserver customers full access to tun |
| 00:23.57 | daemon | yeah Im the customer! |
| 00:24.07 | Guerin | daemon: bullshit. |
| 00:24.12 | Guerin | and ask #freebsd |
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| 00:24.24 | daemon | Guerin, ask ##freebsd for debian advise your a smart one *applause* |
| 00:24.33 | Sazpaimon | anyway should I install linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 and just fix my vmlinuz symlink or just put it on hold, since i already have linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 00:24.49 | Guerin | daemon: 12:23:50 < daemon> Guerin, for a start I run a FreeBSD server |
| 00:24.58 | daemon | Guerin, Correct. |
| 00:25.02 | Guerin | daemon: perhapos you just have shirt-term selective amnesia |
| 00:25.03 | daemon | daemoncore.org to be precise |
| 00:25.14 | daemon | the server this is on is for my remote backups |
| 00:25.17 | Guerin | or perhaps you're simply being unclear |
| 00:25.23 | daemon | owned by systeminplace.net what my friend owns |
| 00:25.26 | daemon | which si a debian vserver. |
| 00:25.28 | Guerin | however it seems to me that you're just talking bollocks |
| 00:25.38 | Guerin | daemon: tell your friend to come askin' for help |
| 00:26.04 | daemon | Guerin, lol, right. |
| 00:26.08 | Guerin | right. |
| 00:26.13 | Guerin | !lol |
| 00:26.14 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:26.39 | daemon | So does anyone know what MAKEDEV has been adapted to in later version of debian |
| 00:26.44 | daemon | in terms of vservers |
| 00:26.52 | Guerin | daemon: MAKEDEV hasn't changed\ |
| 00:27.11 | daemon | Linux vortex 2.6.22-3-vserver-686 is the kernel? distro |
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| 00:27.52 | balibalo | when i try to mount a usb key # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/cle |
| 00:28.06 | balibalo | I have this result : |
| 00:28.07 | mohadib | try sda1 |
| 00:28.17 | Guerin | what mohadib said |
| 00:28.40 | balibalo | I try then |
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| 00:29.22 | balibalo | same message for sda or sda1 |
| 00:29.26 | balibalo | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 00:29.27 | SerajewelKS | what happens if i have an lvm and boot without one of the lvm volumes? will it crash and burn or just use the complete volumes that it has access to? |
| 00:29.28 | balibalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.28 | Guerin | daemon: are you trying to run MAKEDEV in /var/somebullshit ? |
| 00:29.30 | balibalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.31 | balibalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.48 | daemon | balibalo, hmm sure its not ntfs? |
| 00:29.53 | daemon | or 'msdosfs' 'msdos' |
| 00:29.55 | daemon | as the fs trype |
| 00:30.00 | daemon | also make sure the filesystem is clean |
| 00:30.00 | avu | daemon, and then with ./ even? |
| 00:30.11 | SerajewelKS | daemon: you can mount ntfs on linux, and it should happen automatically |
| 00:30.18 | avu | daemon, and now you are wondering MAKEDEV does not magically show up in /var/somebullshit? |
| 00:30.20 | balibalo | I try deamon |
| 00:30.23 | daemon | avu, I am just following the guide it says to use ./ |
| 00:30.35 | Guerin | daemon: MAKEDEV lives in /dev |
| 00:30.39 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: what happens when you type: file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda1 |
| 00:31.19 | Guerin | daemon: don't you think you owe your paying customers more than `some guide I found on the interwebs' and `an irc channel which doesn't have anything to do with my query anyhow'? |
| 00:31.23 | balibalo | # file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda1 |
| 00:31.24 | balibalo | /dev/sda: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0x71e389ef; partition 1: ID=0xc, active, starthead 1, startsector 32, 3962848 sectors |
| 00:31.25 | balibalo | /dev/sda1: dat |
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| 00:31.51 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: when you do `fdisk -l /dev/sda` what is the type listed for that partition? |
| 00:31.56 | daemon | balibalo, maybe worth dumping it on a sindows box and running chkdsk over it |
| 00:32.03 | infinitycircuit | tonkar: i fixed the script btw |
| 00:32.07 | infinitycircuit | do you still want it? |
| 00:32.08 | Guerin | balibalo: the error says the vfat helper program isn't available, so install one of the packages daemon suggested |
| 00:32.19 | Guerin | oh wait, he didn't |
| 00:32.19 | tonkar | nice ... i think i too ;) |
| 00:32.23 | Guerin | hm |
| 00:32.33 | tonkar | yes! my fix worked great |
| 00:32.37 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if "file" reports the partition as "data" then something else is fucked up |
| 00:32.43 | infinitycircuit | good |
| 00:32.56 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: usually vfat comes back as "x86 boot sector" at least |
| 00:33.01 | balibalo | e# fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 00:33.02 | simNIX | night all - nice to see great support for slick os |
| 00:33.03 | balibalo | Disk /dev/sda: 506 MB, 506986496 bytes |
| 00:33.05 | balibalo | 243 heads, 32 sectors/track, 127 cylinders |
| 00:33.06 | balibalo | Units = cylinders of 7776 * 512 = 3981312 bytes |
| 00:33.08 | balibalo | Disk identifier: 0x71e389ef |
| 00:33.08 | tonkar | i added the chmod before the cd "directory ..." |
| 00:33.09 | balibalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.11 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: just paste the one part we need please |
| 00:33.11 | balibalo | /dev/sda1 * 1 510 1981424 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 00:33.12 | balibalo | Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: |
| 00:33.14 | balibalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.15 | SerajewelKS | god |
| 00:33.16 | avu | !paste |
| 00:33.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:33.18 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: stop |
| 00:33.20 | Guerin | balibalo: don't fucking paste |
| 00:33.27 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: "FAT32" would have sufficed |
| 00:33.27 | qaz | what's the best flash player for iceweasel in lenny? mine's been broken for weeks |
| 00:33.30 | balibalo | oh soory |
| 00:33.32 | tonkar | yes, i want it, i'm sure your script is better |
| 00:33.46 | infinitycircuit | no i did a really ugly rev hack to get it working |
| 00:33.51 | Guerin | qaz: they're all crappy. If you just want youtube I recommend youtube-dl |
| 00:33.53 | infinitycircuit | i'm going to rewrite it to not have to do cd's |
| 00:34.01 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: the output from the file command basically tells you that it can't recognize the partition using a list of magic numbers |
| 00:34.08 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: mount is telling you it doesn't recognize it as FAT |
| 00:34.11 | avu | qaz, or clive, which works with more sites than youtube-dl |
| 00:34.16 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: so it's either not FAT or it's damaged |
| 00:34.16 | tonkar | mmm ..., cool |
| 00:34.20 | Guerin | oo, clive |
| 00:34.38 | SerajewelKS | balibalo: as daemon suggested, boot up a windows box and have it check the disk for consistency |
| 00:34.43 | tonkar | it will be a lot faster |
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| 00:34.53 | qaz | i like google maps street view, will try the suggested plugins thanks |
| 00:34.53 | TehMarz | How good's Gnash? |
| 00:34.58 | Guerin | TehMarz: not very. |
| 00:35.04 | avu | qaz, those are not plugins |
| 00:35.07 | TehMarz | Guerin: How come? |
| 00:35.11 | balibalo | ok I try |
| 00:35.18 | Guerin | TehMarz: buggy and doesn't support very much. |
| 00:35.20 | SerajewelKS | TehMarz: cause it's not? |
| 00:35.28 | TehMarz | Guerin: Ah, I see, okay. |
| 00:35.38 | TehMarz | SerajewelKS: That isn't the most helpful response. :) |
| 00:35.41 | Sazpaimon | alright it looks like grub installed without a hitch, now as for my linux-image issue |
| 00:35.44 | avu | qaz, youtube-dl and clive are external applications which download videos from youtube-like sites so you can watch them without having a flash plugin at all |
| 00:35.50 | Guerin | TehMarz: it's under heavy development, though, so it might have improved recently |
| 00:35.50 | SerajewelKS | TehMarz: so ask a better question :) |
| 00:35.54 | Sazpaimon | should I install linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 and just fix my vmlinuz symlink or just put it on hold, since i already have linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 00:36.01 | qaz | avu: I understand they google maps is not a plugin..google maps uses flash... |
| 00:36.13 | SerajewelKS | TehMarz: i've used a few flash alternate implementations and they're all pretty shitty so far |
| 00:36.26 | avu | qaz, google maps does not use flash. the streetview feature might |
| 00:36.33 | avu | qaz, but that's useless anyway |
| 00:36.39 | SerajewelKS | street view does indeed use flash |
| 00:37.16 | SerajewelKS | so if the firefox X pixmap leak isn't enough to kill your system, you can always try street view |
| 00:37.16 | TehMarz | SerajewelKS: "how come?" seems like a perfectly good question to me, in the context. "It's not good?" "How come?" - synonymous with, "why not? What's not good about it?" And yet shorter. |
| 00:37.19 | tonkar | infinitycircuit: when it is ready can you sen me it please? |
| 00:37.23 | tonkar | *send |
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| 00:37.32 | tonkar | my nick @gmail |
| 00:37.38 | infinitycircuit | yeah sure |
| 00:37.40 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:37.43 | tonkar | thanks a lot ;) |
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| 00:38.03 | SerajewelKS | TehMarz: eh, to me "because nobody made it as good" would also be an answer to the original phrasing, but then again i'm a pedantic ass |
| 00:38.14 | qaz | just trying to get flash working...that's all, I don't like it ..but it's ubiqutious |
| 00:38.26 | SerajewelKS | qaz: you can't use flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 00:38.59 | Bravewolf | Is there a way to limit the frequency of the cpu? e.g. no more than 1,6 GHz on a 2 GHz cpu. I have a core2duo. |
| 00:39.11 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: cpufreq-set |
| 00:39.12 | qaz | serajewelks; somehow it doesnt work I see a graphic of a circle with an arrow inside |
| 00:39.17 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: only if your cpu supports it |
| 00:39.34 | SerajewelKS | qaz: for everything? |
| 00:39.49 | Bac9 | enouf: I've connected a monitor to the box with the io controller, but there are no new boot menus (only the one for the scsi addon card), any other thoughts? |
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| 00:39.54 | SerajewelKS | qaz: it sounds like another browser plugin is grabbing flash stuff before flash gets a chance to |
| 00:40.14 | avu | qaz, that sounds like swfdec actually |
| 00:40.50 | Bravewolf | SerajewelKS: Thanks! I'm installing cpufrequtils |
| 00:40.54 | qaz | aha thanks, I may have multiple plugins, I'll try to remove and reinstall |
| 00:41.06 | avu | qaz, reinstall should not be necassary |
| 00:41.11 | qaz | i installed the macromedia one from the website |
| 00:41.19 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: i use it on my laptop because at 2.4ghz the fan sounds like a car |
| 00:41.19 | daemon | hey all this is my problem here: http://laptop2.daemoncore.org/~paul/Screenshot-176.png |
| 00:41.25 | avu | qaz, well that was a bit stupid ;) |
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| 00:41.31 | avu | qaz, use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:41.35 | qaz | i know.. |
| 00:41.39 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: so when i'm in class i force it to 1.6. runs quite a bit slower but people don't stare icy daggers at me. |
| 00:41.40 | daemon | it all works till the: # cd /var/lib/vserver/<myopenvpnserver>/dev/ # ./MAKEDEV tun |
| 00:41.51 | qaz | didn't know which one to try from the repository |
| 00:42.02 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: in other news, i am taking donations for a new laptop :) |
| 00:42.04 | avu | daemon, for $70/hour I'll fix your problem. |
| 00:42.42 | Bravewolf | SerajewelKS: the speed is not a matter, in this case :-) |
| 00:42.50 | nslu-testing | avu: if you already know the solution you should make a fixed price in advance ;-) |
| 00:43.19 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: nor is it for me, though apparently it must be related to what you want to do |
| 00:43.27 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: i assume to save battery life or something |
| 00:43.33 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: for me it's to make it run quieter |
| 00:43.52 | avu | nslu-testing, nah, I'll spend an hour or two checking out their setup and trying to figure out which random interweb HOWTOs they used to set up certain features ;) |
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| 00:44.28 | daemon | What a helpful channel ~_~ |
| 00:45.07 | SerajewelKS | if you know how to ask your question and stay on-topic, yes, it is |
| 00:45.18 | Guerin | daemon: we told you where MAKEDEV lives, didn't we? |
| 00:45.36 | SerajewelKS | my personal favorite is "i need help w/ubuntu" |
| 00:45.42 | SerajewelKS | epic fail on so many levels |
| 00:45.43 | daemon | SerajewelKS, I provided a sreenshot and asked what was goin wrong I cant be much more specific :P |
| 00:45.45 | mohadib | hah |
| 00:45.46 | Guerin | !annoy SerajewelKS |
| 00:45.52 | Guerin | :( |
| 00:45.57 | avu | I am beginning to hope that daemon is a troll and daemoncore.org a practical joke |
| 00:46.01 | Guerin | !irritate SerajewelKS |
| 00:46.01 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 00:46.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what, like i need help to be annoyed in this channel? |
| 00:46.06 | Guerin | there we go |
| 00:46.31 | SerajewelKS | daemon: i wasn't directing that at you per se |
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| 00:46.42 | SerajewelKS | daemon: honestly i'm in text-mode right now so i can't even look at screenshots |
| 00:46.50 | daemon | SerajewelKS, np, I can sympathize |
| 00:46.53 | avu | daemon, and. guerin. already. told. you. the. solution. |
| 00:47.01 | daemon | I have never had to use ignore so many times in the space of 5 minutes |
| 00:47.11 | mohadib | SerajewelKS: pipe it through mplayer and use a framebuffer or the ascii switch :s |
| 00:47.11 | daemon | except of undernet but thats understandable |
| 00:47.24 | Guerin | daemon: ignoring people trying to give you good advice is an easy way to get banned |
| 00:47.28 | SerajewelKS | daemon: the problem is if you use ignore too liberally you're going to ignore the people helping you |
| 00:47.37 | Nyle | banned? |
| 00:47.47 | SerajewelKS | daemon: as a general rule, in #debian the more of an ass someone is the more info they have that can help you |
| 00:47.49 | mohadib | you will listen to me!! or else.. |
| 00:48.04 | Guerin | Nyle: Rubber Banned |
| 00:48.16 | avu | heh |
| 00:48.18 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: *groan* |
| 00:48.27 | Guerin | *boom boom* |
| 00:48.31 | daemon | SerajewelKS, some guy trying to sell me help for 70 dollars an hour and some other guy calling me an admin :-) not exactly perfect |
| 00:48.33 | SerajewelKS | !pun |
| 00:48.33 | dpkg | I should be punish'ed for every pun I shed; leave not a puny shred of \my punnish head |
| 00:48.50 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm having a problem with dhclient |
| 00:48.57 | daemon | Hail_Spacecake, what sort of problem |
| 00:49.00 | SerajewelKS | daemon: calling you an admin? |
| 00:49.02 | Guerin | Hail_Spacecake: i recommend arbitration |
| 00:49.03 | Hail_Spacecake | whenever I run it, even with the argument 'dhclient wlan0', it resets the eth0 ip address |
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| 00:49.11 | mohadib | Guerin: :D |
| 00:49.11 | Hail_Spacecake | which is behavior I don't want, and the man page is unenlightening |
| 00:49.17 | Sazpaimon | how do i specify which image in menu.lst is the one to select automatically? Does it just select the first entry by default? |
| 00:49.25 | SerajewelKS | Sazpaimon: default # |
| 00:49.42 | Hail_Spacecake | I think if you omit the default it does the first one |
| 00:49.44 | SerajewelKS | Sazpaimon: zero-based |
| 00:49.53 | daemon | SerajewelKS, yeah daemoncore.org is my server, its hosted at a place called systeminplace.net. the owner of systeminplace.net is a friend of mine and gave me a linux vserver to back my freebsd server upto, however his linux guy is currently away so he said if im ery careful I can have root on the vserver to setup openvpn (im gonna run samba in the vpn to my freebsd box for backups) |
| 00:50.04 | Nyle | HTML: Not valid - Errors: 3, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.daemoncore.org |
| 00:50.07 | Nyle | lame. |
| 00:50.12 | daemon | SerajewelKS, So I said 'a customers vserver' at the start when I was the customer ;) |
| 00:50.17 | Nyle | take that w3c valid sticker off your site. |
| 00:50.31 | Guerin | !tell daemon about NOFP |
| 00:50.38 | Nyle | daemon, this is completely offtopic |
| 00:50.42 | SerajewelKS | daemon: that sounds very... weird |
| 00:50.44 | Sazpaimon | SerajewelKS, and if all images are set to root(hd0,0) and no default= is set? |
| 00:50.47 | SerajewelKS | daemon: and yes, sadly off-topic |
| 00:50.49 | Nyle | daemon, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 00:50.57 | Guerin | Nyle: don't be silly |
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| 00:51.06 | daemon | Nyle, Yes im following this guide: http://laptop2.daemoncore.org/~paul/Screenshot-176.png |
| 00:51.12 | SerajewelKS | Sazpaimon: it does not matter, the first image will be selected. the "root" is irrelevant |
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| 00:51.17 | daemon | Nyle, im stuck at this part: # cd /var/lib/vserver/<myopenvpnserver>/dev/ # ./MAKEDEV tun |
| 00:51.17 | avu | Nyle, you just want to draw him to -offtopic :) |
| 00:51.34 | Sazpaimon | SerajewelKS, so the first image in the listing will be the default? |
| 00:51.38 | mohadib | daemon: try use /dev/MAKEDEV instead of ./MAKEDEV |
| 00:51.43 | SerajewelKS | Sazpaimon: except in a few cases, yes |
| 00:51.46 | mohadib | takes seat in back |
| 00:51.51 | Sazpaimon | alright, cool |
| 00:51.55 | daemon | mohadib, ah thank you |
| 00:51.57 | Sazpaimon | thanks |
| 00:51.58 | Guerin | I want popcorn and beer |
| 00:52.13 | avu | daemon, it's not like Guerin didn't already tell you that ages ago |
| 00:52.17 | avu | ah, well, I'm on ignore :) |
| 00:52.18 | SerajewelKS | daemon: wtf would he give you a vserver to back up to. that's dumb. |
| 00:52.35 | SerajewelKS | daemon: give a partition to you or something... a vserver is overkill (unless he is doing accounting on you) |
| 00:52.42 | daemon | SerajewelKS, Well, why not :) he also wants to connect into the openvpn and backup some other stuff their |
| 00:53.00 | Guerin | and why people need openvpn to do backups I can't imagine |
| 00:53.02 | mohadib | ssh++ |
| 00:53.05 | Guerin | i call bullshit |
| 00:53.19 | Ryan52 | daemon: rsync is your friend |
| 00:53.20 | Guerin | but then, I'm ignored, so what does my opinion matter? |
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| 00:53.26 | Bravewolf | SerajewelKS: thank you a lot for your help. Using "cpufreq-set -g powersave" I will save some battery. I have done some tests using Octave (large dense matrix inverse calculation) and the cpu frequency wasn't raised. Do you know how can I set "powersave" instead of "ondemand" at system startup? Thank you. |
| 00:53.30 | daemon | Ryan52, wanted to mount as a remotefs |
| 00:53.32 | Bac9 | anyone know which vt6421a module to load for VIA vt6421a chipset? lspci shows the card as "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE" but /dev/ doesn't show the attached HDD, VP_IDE seems to claim the card, but I am not sure how to tell it to use ide2 |
| 00:53.43 | SerajewelKS | daemon: you either are a very good troll or this setup is incredibly broken. i'm not going to claim either, but this is certainly off-topic here. |
| 00:53.44 | Ryan52 | daemon: why can't you just rsync the stuff you want to backup? |
| 00:53.49 | avu | Guerin, he'll use NFS over opnvpn for sure :) |
| 00:53.53 | Guerin | Bravewolf: if it's saving battery you're after, I recommend the undervolt kernel patches |
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| 00:54.02 | mohadib | avu: aha |
| 00:54.04 | Guerin | avu: hah |
| 00:54.05 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: i'm not sure what the "normal" method is |
| 00:54.07 | Guerin | the pain |
| 00:54.13 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: but you can put the line you used in /etc/rc.local |
| 00:54.29 | Guerin | sshfs for transparent mountable shares; rsync for backups |
| 00:54.32 | Guerin | that is all |
| 00:54.44 | infinitycircuit | Guerin: really? i found undervolting to reduce stability and not help battery life |
| 00:54.49 | Corkster | hmm iceweasel 2.0 |
| 00:54.54 | Corkster | bummer |
| 00:55.09 | Ryan52 | Corkster: what? |
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| 00:55.14 | Guerin | infinitycircuit: does fine on my T42 - occasional freezes, but about 25% more battery |
| 00:55.25 | Bravewolf | Guerin: thank you. I will google it. |
| 00:55.27 | Corkster | debian lenny installs icewesel 2.0 |
| 00:55.32 | infinitycircuit | Guerin: interesting on my X40 i found no appreciable difference in battery life |
| 00:55.38 | Bravewolf | SerajewelKS: thank you again |
| 00:55.40 | SerajewelKS | Corkster: 3.0 is in sid |
| 00:55.42 | SerajewelKS | Bravewolf: np |
| 00:55.45 | Guerin | mm, I guess X series are already super-efficient |
| 00:55.51 | infinitycircuit | yeah that is possible |
| 00:55.58 | Guerin | i wanted an X |
| 00:56.06 | Corkster | SerajewelKS: im trying to google a howto on that but not having any luck |
| 00:56.15 | SerajewelKS | which brand are we talking about here? |
| 00:56.24 | Corkster | x64 |
| 00:56.26 | daemon | SerajewelKS, Ok I think I have it and im not trying to troll :( all I need to know is: # head /etc/vservers/<myopenvpnserver>/interfaces/1/* What should that be, on my system I seem to have got 'interfaces' but all that is in it is a 2byte file named '0' |
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| 00:56.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell Corkster about pinning |
| 00:56.44 | avu | and if that doesn't work |
| 00:56.49 | avu | !tell Corkster about ssbp |
| 00:57.04 | SerajewelKS | avu: it will, he is using lenny |
| 00:57.42 | avu | that doesn't mean that there will not be a lot of other things to update if he just uses the package from sid |
| 00:57.53 | SerajewelKS | daemon: uhm, that depends on which file... |
| 00:57.57 | avu | (just in general, no idea about the iceweasel dependency situation) |
| 00:58.15 | daemon | SerajewelKS, Basically im being told I need to assign 'tun' to the guest vserver |
| 00:58.18 | SerajewelKS | daemon: check the vserver wiki |
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| 00:58.36 | daemon | SerajewelKS, ok dokey |
| 00:58.42 | SerajewelKS | daemon: i have not used vserver enough to intelligently answer that question. try asking in their channel. |
| 00:58.55 | daemon | vserver have their own channel |
| 00:58.59 | daemon | Ah did not realize that |
| 00:59.03 | daemon | cheers again SerajewelKS |
| 00:59.11 | mohadib | heh |
| 00:59.11 | SerajewelKS | avu: the closer you are to a release the more sid and lenny share crap |
| 00:59.20 | nslu-testing | bah. i just cant get the NSLU to boot of my other disk |
| 00:59.29 | SerajewelKS | avu: even after a few months it settles, after all the new packages get pushed into sid |
| 00:59.40 | SerajewelKS | daemon: i don't know if they do or not but they probably do |
| 00:59.52 | avu | SerajewelKS, true, my statement still stands though... |
| 01:00.06 | daemon | SerajewelKS, ill give it a google sure to turn up something |
| 01:00.17 | SerajewelKS | avu: yes, ssbp is the "correct" way to do it, for some definition of correct |
| 01:00.18 | hatter | does samba work on a mounted sshfs ? |
| 01:00.37 | daemon | hatter, There is a reported bug with some applications mounting files RO over such things |
| 01:00.41 | SerajewelKS | hatter: define "on" |
| 01:00.43 | daemon | but it does apparently work |
| 01:00.49 | avu | SerajewelKS, it is also sometimes the better way if you don't want sid all over your system, which was what I meant |
| 01:01.02 | nevyn | hatter: I would be very supprised if any of the locking stuff worked correctly |
| 01:01.14 | nevyn | as sshfs has almost no locking support |
| 01:01.31 | SerajewelKS | avu: indeed. the cool thing though is if, when you update your package lists, the version of a package you have installed is <= the one in lenny (if you have it pinned right) then next time you'll get an update from lenny automatically, even if you updated to sid |
| 01:01.36 | Guerin | mixing filesystem abstractions is not advised |
| 01:01.39 | hatter | nevyn, ah that would be a problem, so openvpn is still the best scenario |
| 01:01.49 | avu | SerajewelKS, I know... |
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| 01:02.02 | SerajewelKS | avu: ok :) |
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| 01:02.34 | hatter | SerajewelKS, i was thinking of a mounted sshfs, then having that location declared in smb.conf |
| 01:02.37 | SerajewelKS | and what's wrong with ssh tunelling? |
| 01:02.52 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 01:03.03 | Guerin | hatter: mixing filesystem abstractions is not advised |
| 01:03.33 | SerajewelKS | nfs is probably the closest thing you'll get to usable, though i have not done this |
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| 01:03.51 | SerajewelKS | you are asking for pain whatever network fs you use |
| 01:04.53 | hatter | i am investyigating how best and easiest to VPN samba between 2 offfices, is openvpn still the best option ? |
| 01:05.05 | Guerin | gods |
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| 01:05.08 | Guerin | make it stop |
| 01:05.13 | hatter | SerajewelKS, yeah... we dont want pain |
| 01:05.23 | SerajewelKS | hatter: uhm... DNAT? |
| 01:05.33 | Guerin | openvpn, sshfs and samba constitutes not wanting pain? |
| 01:05.53 | ddalton | how come this /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't work? http://pastebin.com/f4e4b4269 and this one does? http://pastebin.com/f6c4956d9 |
| 01:05.56 | hatter | Guerin, how would you do it ? |
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| 01:06.19 | mohadib | mpls network from ny provider hatter |
| 01:06.23 | ddalton | how do I set a static ip for my computer and still get the internet? on reboot the one that uses static allows me to ssh in to my router, but I can't get any internet access. why? |
| 01:06.23 | mohadib | my* |
| 01:06.38 | Guerin | hatter: i would directly mount the shares using sshfs |
| 01:06.43 | hatter | mohadib, huh ? |
| 01:06.45 | Guerin | in fact, that's what I do |
| 01:06.55 | hatter | Guerin, then use samba ? |
| 01:06.59 | Guerin | no |
| 01:07.03 | Guerin | not use samba at all |
| 01:07.14 | Guerin | why would samba come into it? |
| 01:07.20 | mohadib | hatter: if both your endpoints use the same provider , you can make a seamless private network with mpls (assuming your provider offers it) |
| 01:07.20 | hatter | my customers are simple windows users |
| 01:07.24 | nslu-testing | ddalton: maybe DNS not set up correctly? or the standard gateway |
| 01:07.47 | hatter | mohadib, ok thx, i will check it out |
| 01:07.51 | Guerin | then share the samba mounts directly, and have each of them mount them |
| 01:08.04 | SerajewelKS | hatter: ... or use DNAT |
| 01:08.16 | Guerin | dnat would also work |
| 01:08.29 | TehMarz | Does anyone know the simplest way of accessing MSN? I just need the ability to chat to 1 person over MSN. xP My backup plan is Pidgin, but that requires lots of packages... |
| 01:08.51 | Guerin | TehMarz: connect your irc client to im.bitlbee.org and follow the instructions |
| 01:08.53 | SerajewelKS | TehMarz: there is an MSN text-mode client somewhere |
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| 01:09.06 | SerajewelKS | TehMarz: you could always use finch |
| 01:09.19 | mohadib | if you have java , you can find lots of msn clients |
| 01:09.22 | hatter | Guerin, nevyn mentioned sshfs not locking stuff |
| 01:09.30 | hatter | hmmm, dnat |
| 01:09.50 | ddalton | nslu-testing: what do you mean? exactly. and I am able to connect to my network eg. ssh into other boxes and then I can use a browser on the box I am sshed into and then get the internet, just can't get the net directly from this box. |
| 01:10.05 | hatter | I am feeling confused about how DNAT is used here... |
| 01:10.22 | Guerin | hatter: its use is impossible given the end-users are on windows |
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| 01:10.30 | SerajewelKS | hatter: if you have some server that is *NOT* being a router, and is running openvpn to this network, then you can iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0(or whatever) -p tcp --dport 139 -j DNAT --to-dest vpn-samba-server |
| 01:11.02 | hatter | SerajewelKS, ah ok, this has been my first though, with openvpn |
| 01:11.10 | hatter | 'thought' |
| 01:11.23 | mohadib | or just connect the two networks with a tunnel and write routes |
| 01:11.35 | SerajewelKS | hatter: that will redirect incoming connections to the box on the other end. you may have to SNAT too, i'm not sure. |
| 01:12.15 | nslu-testing | ddalton: sounds like the standard gateway is not set. do you haev a "0.0.0.0" entry in the output of "route -n"? |
| 01:12.20 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: hmm, DNAT probably won't work alone... since that wouldn't rewrite the source |
| 01:12.36 | hatter | so the outcome of this discussion was NOT to mount an sshfs then declare that share in samba ? |
| 01:13.00 | samantha-- | so i'm trying to run lame from command line on a wav file. i get "only 8 16 24 and 32 bit input files supported". there were ripped in a windows ripper from CD and saved via samba. what oddball bit rate would they be in? |
| 01:13.12 | SerajewelKS | hatter: it would be less painful to bridge your networks with openvpn. and that is plenty painful. |
| 01:13.31 | Guerin | hatter: you could try - but sshfs and samba will very likely have bizarre interactions |
| 01:13.52 | hatter | Guerin, ok, think i will leave it alone and stick with openvpn |
| 01:13.52 | SerajewelKS | hatter: actually i think you'll want to do DNAT on one end and SNAT on the other, if my brain is working right. |
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| 01:14.08 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: are you sure they're actually a wave file? file foo.wav to see |
| 01:14.15 | Guerin | samantha--: are you sure they're actually a wave file? file foo.wav to see |
| 01:14.17 | SerajewelKS | !lose Guerin |
| 01:14.17 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 01:14.30 | Guerin | I fail at te ircs |
| 01:14.56 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: im in ur keebrd mixn up ur lettrs |
| 01:15.10 | samantha-- | Guerin, RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 25 bit, mono 22050 Hz. (25 bit? wtf?) |
| 01:15.21 | ddalton | nslu-testing: Well... I would have to reboot for the static changes to take effect I guess, and then wouldn't have an internet connection to tell you the output... |
| 01:15.36 | ddalton | currently im using dhcp which works, but obviously the problem is with static. |
| 01:15.41 | SerajewelKS | samantha--: sounds like you want to pipe through sox first |
| 01:15.46 | Guerin | samantha--: hah. Classy. Try running it though sox or something. |
| 01:15.57 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: stop eating my brains! |
| 01:16.06 | nslu-testing | ddalton: you entered the static ip configuratio manually in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:16.21 | ddalton | yep |
| 01:16.29 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: how did they make it into this popcorn? <_< |
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| 01:17.04 | SerajewelKS | ddalton: this isn't windows. "reboot" is a word you never use unless you have to mess with the kernel. |
| 01:17.09 | nslu-testing | ddalton: well do you have an address, netmask and gateway line? |
| 01:17.24 | Guerin | actually, some obscure netowkring (routing) problems require a reboot |
| 01:17.54 | nslu-testing | adding new hardware is a good reason too |
| 01:17.57 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: so do issues with devices failing and crap, but those os very rare |
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| 01:18.03 | SerajewelKS | nslu-testing: you can do that without rebooting... |
| 01:18.10 | SerajewelKS | nslu-testing: oh hardware |
| 01:18.17 | SerajewelKS | nslu-testing: thought you said hardware address (e.g. MAC) |
| 01:18.20 | SerajewelKS | reading too fast |
| 01:18.20 | nslu-testing | SerajewelKS: i know |
| 01:18.37 | samantha-- | depends on the hardware. if you want to stick a new pci card into your machine without a reboot, you go right ahead. make sure you're well grounded. |
| 01:18.46 | nslu-testing | am i supposed to use the !losse bot command now? |
| 01:18.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:18.48 | ddalton | nslu-testing: here is exactly what I put in the /etc/network/interface file? http://pastebin.com/f62303743 |
| 01:18.59 | SerajewelKS | nslu-testing: you can add hardware too, you just probably won't like the results very much :) |
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| 01:19.41 | SerajewelKS | samantha--: interestingly one of the issues i've been having recently was solved by seating a PCI card again. it was making intermittent contact on one contact and was freezing the system every time |
| 01:19.57 | hatter | I have found it necessary also to reboot occasionally when some odd ppp problem happens with dsl and pppoeconf when the line drops, which would be a routing issue i guess, |
| 01:20.19 | nslu-testing | ddalton: ok, i guess 192.168.2.1 is your router. that looks fine so far |
| 01:20.31 | SerajewelKS | as of late every reboot i've done has been under 2.6.25 because it seems to like randomly sleeping my processes permanently |
| 01:20.37 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.24 seems to run fine |
| 01:20.58 | hatter | do you know of something to aggresiveley keeep a ppp link up if there is any sort of outage ? |
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| 01:21.10 | nslu-testing | ddalton: next i'd try if DNS is working e.g. "host google.com" or with "nslookup" |
| 01:21.13 | SerajewelKS | hatter: while true; do ppp ... ; done |
| 01:21.16 | ddalton | yeah 192.168.2.1 is the router, and I can ssh into it with static ip set, just no internet... |
| 01:21.23 | hatter | pppoeconf works most of them of the time, but there is some sort of outage that it doesnt see |
| 01:21.38 | ddalton | I could try this interface file on another machine if you like. |
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| 01:21.42 | hatter | SerajewelKS, is that pppoeconf does ? |
| 01:21.54 | SerajewelKS | hatter: probably something more complicated |
| 01:22.06 | hatter | yeah, but its not 100% robust |
| 01:22.17 | SerajewelKS | ddalton: probably no DNS servers set? |
| 01:22.42 | hatter | maybe another pgm that does a ping every 60 seconds then a ppp restart if its not up |
| 01:23.01 | SerajewelKS | hatter: sure, write a script that does that and put it in cron |
| 01:23.31 | SerajewelKS | hatter: not being sarcastic either, that's what i've done before |
| 01:23.33 | ddalton | SerajewelKS: dwhat do you mean by probably no dns servers set? |
| 01:23.40 | ddalton | *what |
| 01:23.50 | SerajewelKS | ddalton: if you have "no internet" it's probably because you can't resolve anything |
| 01:24.30 | mohadib | assuming you have a default gateway and an actual connection to the internet :s |
| 01:24.30 | ddalton | well... my network has the internet and my computer connects to the network, so I don't quite understand still. |
| 01:24.35 | nslu-testing | ddalton: did you try host or nslookup? |
| 01:24.38 | hatter | SerajewelKS, its a good plan, i am not much of a script writer however, someone could do it better than me, I wouldnt mind paying a little for it, i would like it 100 % robust |
| 01:25.10 | SerajewelKS | hatter: the catch is making sure it doesn't see the connection as down and then restart ppp while it's trying to connect. that would be dumb. |
| 01:25.27 | hatter | SerajewelKS, yes, it needs some smarts |
| 01:26.16 | SerajewelKS | ddalton: your network doesn't "have the internet" anymore than you "have youtube" |
| 01:26.44 | mohadib | has a magical floppy with the internet on it |
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| 01:26.53 | mohadib | +3 copacity |
| 01:26.54 | nslu-testing | cool |
| 01:26.55 | SerajewelKS | mohadib: good, we need a backup |
| 01:26.56 | samantha-- | great. i'll just rerip all this crap and never use sound juicer again. |
| 01:27.14 | ddalton | I justy tried my web browser and ping... |
| 01:27.26 | Guerin | samantha--: lesson learned :) |
| 01:27.33 | mohadib | did you try pinging your gateway |
| 01:27.40 | nslu-testing | ddalton: if you used ping, did it display the IP address of the target? |
| 01:27.46 | ddalton | I could ssh in... |
| 01:27.50 | mohadib | and ping by ip |
| 01:27.52 | mohadib | not name |
| 01:28.00 | mohadib | to see if you are up at all |
| 01:28.20 | ddalton | it just said unknown host |
| 01:28.23 | ddalton | I think... |
| 01:28.29 | ddalton | no I didn't ping the router... |
| 01:28.36 | Guerin | always do |
| 01:28.36 | samantha-- | Guerin, it's all of harry potter. 99 discs. :-( |
| 01:28.46 | Guerin | samantha--: aargh. |
| 01:30.05 | ddalton | ok... so... if I could get it working on another machine and it didn't work on one box, what is the usual cause? |
| 01:30.38 | mohadib | fial |
| 01:30.53 | ddalton | huh? |
| 01:31.05 | mohadib | usually a large build up of fail |
| 01:31.10 | Guerin | it's ironicalese for `fail' |
| 01:31.32 | ddalton | so... no real reason? |
| 01:31.48 | ddalton | no other packages/causes could be the issue? |
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| 01:31.55 | SerajewelKS | ddalton: what happens if you "dig google.com" |
| 01:33.04 | ddalton | well... i have to reboot if I am going to try something and... that means I won't be able to talk here cause loose internet |
| 01:33.28 | ddalton | i can, what else should I try while I do? |
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| 01:34.15 | Cyis | silly question... but anyone know of any way to try and perform a password recovery on a LUKS encrypted partition? |
| 01:34.42 | Guerin | hahah |
| 01:34.42 | magyar | hi, I am running lenny and having issues installing obsd as a guest OS, has anyone here tried to install obsd using quemu? |
| 01:34.43 | ddalton | ill reboot and see what happens, thanks for the help! |
| 01:35.11 | Guerin | Cyis: translation: `I have this harddrive that I'd like to haxx0r into but I can't do it without help' |
| 01:36.00 | Cyis | Guerin, no... try again... I have 2 USB drives with my GPG/PGP keys on it... they have different passwords... I've unlocked the one but I'm having trouble remembering the password for the second because it's been nearly 3 years since I've used it |
| 01:36.14 | nevyn | Cyis: you didn't write it down? |
| 01:36.19 | Guerin | a likely story |
| 01:36.19 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 01:36.50 | Cyis | nevyn: write down the password and keep it somewhere that it could be found and compromise my GPG primary key drive... I have my sub-key drive |
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| 01:43.29 | Lectus | Hello! I installed debian lenny with gnome desktop from the CD1. I tried to run pppoeconf to configure my PPPoE connection, but it seems it's not installed. I put the CD1 at the drive and tried aptitude install pppoeconf, but it keeps asking me for the CD although the CD IS in the drive. |
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| 01:43.35 | Lectus | How can I solve this? |
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| 01:46.27 | PeterFA | Well, I installed Debian and all the stuff I like. |
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| 01:47.50 | samantha-- | Lectus, are you sure pppoeconf is on the first cd? :-) |
| 01:48.13 | Lectus | I've been told it is. |
| 01:48.50 | Lectus | The problem is it's not "seeing" the CD. Or maybe I think I forgot to apt-get update. lol |
| 01:48.57 | Lectus | I'll try this. |
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| 01:49.40 | Lectus | brb |
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| 02:09.03 | aghh | is this a support channel? |
| 02:09.11 | gnunixguy | yes and no |
| 02:09.17 | aghh | haha |
| 02:09.21 | aghh | can i give it a try? |
| 02:09.26 | aghh | pls? :D |
| 02:09.59 | azurite | aghh: i think your trial began when you /join'd the chan |
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| 02:10.18 | OBcecado | don't ask to ask, ask ;-] |
| 02:10.19 | aghh | touché |
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| 02:10.30 | aghh | well |
| 02:10.33 | nevyn | aghh: it depends..what is your favorite color? |
| 02:10.35 | hatter | !ask |
| 02:10.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:10.40 | gnunixguy | we are mind readers... dont worry about asking the question :) |
| 02:10.58 | aghh | mmm, ill think about the color thing |
| 02:11.02 | aghh | yep |
| 02:11.04 | aghh | well |
| 02:11.05 | hatter | aghh, 'you're problem is with windows' |
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| 02:11.11 | MrJK | hi |
| 02:11.16 | azurite | MrJK: hi! |
| 02:11.23 | aghh | the thing is that im trying to compile audacious |
| 02:11.27 | MrJK | there is a security fail if i do visudo |
| 02:11.30 | MrJK | and : |
| 02:11.32 | MrJK | jezu ALL=(root) sudo |
| 02:11.36 | aghh | i did it with deafault options |
| 02:11.37 | nevyn | aghh: first responce WHY? |
| 02:11.38 | aghh | and works |
| 02:11.39 | MrJK | jezu, my account ? |
| 02:11.49 | aghh | why why |
| 02:11.50 | aghh | well |
| 02:11.52 | nevyn | aghh: why are you atempting to compil audacious? |
| 02:11.59 | MrJK | ? |
| 02:11.59 | azurite | aghh: debian is designed so that you dont have to compile things :) |
| 02:12.03 | aghh | i had some dark very dark problems |
| 02:12.09 | MrJK | yes, no ? |
| 02:12.11 | aghh | with the repository version |
| 02:12.29 | ketralnis | I'm trying to install postgres 8.2, but I see that it's not in Testing anymore, as it's been superseded by postgres 8.3. Is there some archive of previous versions of packages? |
| 02:12.29 | ajonat | hmm, is packages.debian.com down? |
| 02:12.36 | MrJK | I just want to be able to do a sudo with a non-root account |
| 02:12.42 | ajonat | s/com/org |
| 02:12.47 | aghh | so i decided to compile, actually it works with default options, outputtin sound to ALSA |
| 02:12.50 | aghh | but i need |
| 02:12.56 | aghh | JACK support+audioscrobbler |
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| 02:13.29 | |Kewl| | MrJK: go to terminal and type su |
| 02:13.31 | Lectus | Finally... got my internet going. Now I can enjoy debian. :D |
| 02:13.34 | aghh | and it may be a studpid question but i dont know what command i should write in the configure |
| 02:13.52 | nevyn | MrJK: as root you need to run visudo first |
| 02:13.59 | Kumool | its more enjoyable offline :P |
| 02:14.04 | aghh | you know, ./configure --enable-jack VS ./configure --enable-jackd VS ./configure --enable-jack-output |
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| 02:14.10 | MrJK | I did, i 'm editing my sudoers via visudo |
| 02:14.20 | MrJK | just, check my line |
| 02:14.25 | |Kewl| | ? |
| 02:14.26 | nevyn | MrJK: so what I generally do is copy the existing line for root.. |
| 02:14.37 | nevyn | |Kewl|: sudo != su |
| 02:14.50 | Kumool | hmm theres a root terminal in accessories... in etch |
| 02:14.54 | aghh | and thank god for both of them |
| 02:15.00 | |Kewl| | nevyn: ;) |
| 02:15.02 | nevyn | and put my account name in the first column. |
| 02:15.02 | MrJK | I just want to be able sudo like under ubuntu ^^ |
| 02:15.10 | Guerin | MrJK: then use ubuntu |
| 02:15.22 | |Kewl| | hehe |
| 02:15.23 | nevyn | MrJK: right. so just copy the line that exists for root and put your name at the start of it. |
| 02:15.23 | MrJK | no, it s for a server ^^ |
| 02:15.23 | Guerin | MrJK: debian doesn't configure it that way for good reasons |
| 02:15.43 | nevyn | Guerin: while having a root account availible is good |
| 02:15.44 | MrJK | but, I prefer not to be root always, I m again a noob |
| 02:15.51 | MrJK | Guerin: ? |
| 02:15.58 | |Kewl| | Guerin: hei friend is just a sample linux command |
| 02:16.01 | nevyn | I think using sudo for day to day administration is a good thing and to be encouraged. |
| 02:16.18 | MrJK | nevyn: +1 |
| 02:16.19 | F4HT4W | where can i get glib? |
| 02:16.20 | nevyn | particularly in situations where there are multiple sysadmins |
| 02:16.22 | Guerin | MrJK: your question seems to have been eaten by the question grue |
| 02:16.51 | Guerin | !nickometer |Kewl| |
| 02:16.53 | dpkg | '|Kewl|' is 81.000% lame, guerin |
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| 02:16.58 | MrJK | uh, I don't understand the end of your sentence ( i'm not english speaker) |
| 02:17.00 | Guerin | still a bit low |
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| 02:17.24 | ketralnis | !nickometer Guerin |
| 02:17.26 | dpkg | 'Guerin' is 0.000% lame, ketralnis |
| 02:17.32 | Guerin | MrJK: if you want sudo like ubuntu, use ubuntu |
| 02:17.36 | |Kewl| | hehe |
| 02:17.45 | MrJK | arf |
| 02:17.47 | Guerin | ketralnis: honestly. |
| 02:17.47 | nevyn | Guerin: at a point not too long in the past it was considered acceptable to connect directly to systems using telnet as root. |
| 02:17.49 | aghh | just do as nevyn told you |
| 02:17.57 | |Kewl| | it doesn t matter here!!! i hope |
| 02:18.06 | nevyn | Guerin: do you still administer systems that way? |
| 02:18.37 | aghh | anyone ever compiled audacious? |
| 02:18.43 | aghh | widh jack support? |
| 02:18.47 | aghh | uhmm.. |
| 02:18.48 | Guerin | nevyn: no, I use ssh with keys. It's 2008. |
| 02:18.53 | nevyn | right. |
| 02:19.17 | OBcecado | sshd.conf permitrootlogin=yes ? |
| 02:19.24 | OBcecado | i'll pass ;-] |
| 02:19.29 | nevyn | and in 2008 I use root for network problems and filesystem problems but do all other administration tasks using sudo |
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| 02:19.36 | ketralnis | nevyn: I do. I also make sure to say my password aloud as I type it, so I know I typed it right. And I have it tattood on my hand so I always remember it |
| 02:19.44 | Guerin | nevyn: but not `like ubuntu'? |
| 02:19.53 | ketralnis | And that keeps me from changing it and confusing myself |
| 02:20.13 | nevyn | ketralnis: I like written down passwords too. |
| 02:20.27 | OBcecado | pass=username ftw! |
| 02:20.30 | aghh | i need to tru the ketralnis-way and write a book about it |
| 02:20.33 | Guerin | i keep passwords written in place it's not clear they're passwords |
| 02:20.36 | ketralnis | OBcecado: how'd you know my password? |
| 02:20.42 | OBcecado | magic |
| 02:20.49 | Guerin | like in lists of odd jargon or such things |
| 02:20.52 | nevyn | Guerin: I don't care if they're stored in a physical wallet. |
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| 02:21.09 | Guerin | nevyn: right, it becomes token+secret then |
| 02:21.09 | nevyn | if you treat your password as well as you treat your CC I'm happy. |
| 02:21.36 | aghh | i was born password |
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| 02:23.15 | nevyn | Guerin: this is something I think that ubuntu has fundamentally gotten correct. there are many many things that are broken in ubuntu the sudo thing is NOT one of them. |
| 02:23.51 | wols_ | nevyn: telnet was acceptable at about the time when wintendo95 was a commercial state of the art OS |
| 02:24.11 | Guerin | nevyn: ALLALLALL hurts my brainium |
| 02:24.27 | wols_ | !comfort Guerin |
| 02:24.27 | dpkg | There, there, Guerin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:24.44 | Guerin | it means people who mistreat their user passwords mistreat their root passwords too - and almost everyone mistreats their user passwords |
| 02:24.58 | aghh | aaah |
| 02:25.05 | wols_ | Guerin: for a desktop, sudo is ok |
| 02:25.22 | Guerin | see |
| 02:25.28 | Guerin | making that distinction is dangerous |
| 02:25.31 | nevyn | wols_: I think sudo is almost always the right answer. |
| 02:25.37 | wols_ | Guerin: I know, but there is a distinction |
| 02:25.39 | nevyn | wols_: if you have more than one sysadmin. |
| 02:25.40 | Guerin | desktops are what's connected to the interwebbies |
| 02:25.49 | wols_ | and the target group of ubuntu it's a good fit |
| 02:26.03 | wols_ | Guerin: they are, but clients |
| 02:26.20 | Guerin | the client distinction is also a bad one to make |
| 02:26.42 | Guerin | a typicalk desktop box does all the same things a server (in both senses of the word) did not too long ago |
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| 02:30.00 | wols_ | Guerin: people just won't adopt OpenBSD or its policies internet wide. not gonna happen |
| 02:30.24 | Guerin | I don't suggest that they do |
| 02:30.40 | Toba_ | I make the distinction as this: I sit down and use clients, I am never near servers |
| 02:30.45 | Guerin | ad absurdum doesn't make you looks smart, wols, you know better than that |
| 02:31.06 | Guerin | nevyn just tried it with the telnet gag as well, for the fail |
| 02:31.12 | wols_ | Guerin: it is not ad absurdum. it's the logical conslusion of your argument |
| 02:31.23 | Guerin | wols_: that's precisely what ad abrudum is. |
| 02:31.29 | Guerin | except for the spelling fail |
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| 02:31.53 | wols_ | Guerin: we are not in #linguistics but no it's not |
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| 02:32.18 | Guerin | i'm not advocating OBSD policies. I'm advocating the requirement that there be two separate sets of privileges for user and root operations. That's all. |
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| 02:33.14 | wols_ | Guerin: a new ubuntu user already has problems that he can't just anymore "do X" where X is possibly dangerous to the system |
| 02:33.26 | Guerin | so? |
| 02:33.27 | wols_ | they struggloe with permssions so hard it's not funny. alien concept |
| 02:33.32 | Guerin | so? |
| 02:33.51 | wols_ | so anything that complicates it, like 2 different passwords drive them over the edge |
| 02:33.52 | Guerin | you trade usability for simplicity, I get that |
| 02:33.59 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 02:34.42 | Guerin | in any case, I'm not arguing the usability line |
| 02:35.28 | Guerin | I'm arguing a line which emphasises the need to bear security and privilege separation in mind. This will, in the long term, get us a more sensible group of computer users. |
| 02:35.43 | wols_ | I'm trading actullay security and having a root account is less security in their case |
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| 02:36.08 | wols_ | if you give a ubuntu user a working root account he will use it. 24/7 |
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| 02:36.27 | Guerin | wols_: not if certain things, like x, won't work as root. |
| 02:36.28 | wols_ | where as sudo actually gives them a (slight) barrier |
| 02:36.30 | Firefishe | wols_: Is that an established fact? |
| 02:36.37 | Guerin | no, it's made-up bullshit |
| 02:36.42 | Firefishe | LOL |
| 02:36.43 | wols_ | Firefishe: yes. I've done support in #ubuntu |
| 02:36.49 | OBcecado | lol |
| 02:36.59 | Guerin | it was true in windows because windows had no functional privilege-escalation mechanism (and still doesn't really) |
| 02:37.00 | wols_ | they have their own factoid to tell them why there is no root. several in fact even |
| 02:37.33 | Firefishe | Guerin: you've 'elped me once or twice, thanks. thanks also for your wit, so dry and dusty ;) hee |
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| 02:37.55 | Guerin | Firefishe: welcome! |
| 02:38.05 | Guerin | goes to wet his wits |
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| 02:38.19 | Firefishe | tosses Guerin a Guiness of Unusual Size |
| 02:38.29 | nevyn | microsoft are getting this closer and closer to the unix sudo style concept tho |
| 02:38.38 | wols_ | nevyn: necessity |
| 02:38.41 | nevyn | run-as has gottenmore and more powerful |
| 02:39.00 | FAHTAW | will this matter? Warning: The GTK (GUI) frontend will not be built. |
| 02:39.08 | wols_ | they made strides with vista. but instead fixing it, they just annoy the user. truly a MS achievement |
| 02:39.18 | wols_ | Firefishe: depends if you want it or not |
| 02:39.19 | nevyn | but root annoys me because it's not auditable it plays into this whole "I know what I'm doing and don't need to be accountable for my actions" |
| 02:39.54 | yigal | nevyn: root? |
| 02:39.57 | Firefishe | wols_: Was that in reference to the Guinness? |
| 02:40.16 | wols_ | Firefishe: no to MS and their march to priviledge separation |
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| 02:40.19 | yigal | I've drunk a bottle of red, that's how I do things |
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| 02:40.48 | nevyn | particularly in situations where there are multiple sysadmins being able to audit and find out who did something is really useful for finding out why something was done a certain way |
| 02:40.56 | Firefishe | nevyn: In my early gnu/linux days (daze!), I was root and ended up reinstalling many things. I learned though. I'm also sudo-centric these days. |
| 02:41.16 | nevyn | if the action was performed by root who knows what's going on. |
| 02:41.35 | Firefishe | My debian and other linux boxes have always been, ahem, *experiments in progress* :) |
| 02:41.48 | wols_ | nevyn: multiple root admins without documentation by them is always a disaster |
| 02:41.51 | yigal | nevyn: well if one does a screen log, then that is enough I think, for root |
| 02:42.00 | PeterFA | Wow, Debian is so streamlined. |
| 02:42.02 | PeterFA | It's so fast. |
| 02:42.05 | nevyn | yigal: I violently disagree. |
| 02:42.14 | Lectus | How can I get ms fonts in debian? |
| 02:42.16 | yigal | nevyn: well don't hurt me, but why? |
| 02:42.20 | wols_ | PeterFA: install gnome and some other stuff and you change your mind :) |
| 02:42.26 | Firefishe | However, linux is now my primary OS. I still use doze for some things, like my $600 writing software I can't find for anything else, but that's really all I use on doze anymore. |
| 02:42.29 | wols_ | you can have damn bloated debian if you want |
| 02:42.32 | nevyn | yigal: which screen do you log? |
| 02:42.37 | PeterFA | wols_, Gnome was default and I like KDE. |
| 02:42.49 | wols_ | PeterFA: so install kde |
| 02:42.50 | PeterFA | wols_, use Kubuntu for a while and you'll change yoru attitude. |
| 02:42.54 | yigal | nevyn: excuse me I mean gnu screen, and I mean all that are in use |
| 02:43.20 | wols_ | yigal: how does it log things like debconf dialogs? |
| 02:43.21 | nevyn | yigal: so what happens when a sysadmin "forgets" to do stuff in screen? |
| 02:43.29 | PeterFA | wols_, I did. |
| 02:43.34 | PeterFA | wols_, I'm using it right now. |
| 02:43.40 | nevyn | yigal: how does this help you with knowing who was using the screen? |
| 02:43.48 | Firefishe | wols_: Xfce is a nice gui-based desktop that isn't too heavy, although for real streamlining and good support, I've always enjoyed fluxbox. |
| 02:43.48 | PeterFA | wols_, KDE on Debian is so much faster than Kubuntu. |
| 02:44.04 | PeterFA | Plus, it detected my monitor and didn't leave me in a helpless state. |
| 02:44.18 | nevyn | yigal: I want to be able to find out which human installed pine on machine X |
| 02:44.39 | Guerin | nevyn: the audit trail is indeed a worthy feature of sudo |
| 02:44.42 | yigal | nevyn: it is up to the adim to know who is using root, one must always log. |
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| 02:44.56 | Guerin | nevyn: which, by root's nature, can't be implemented in root |
| 02:45.11 | PeterFA | Guerin, I was about to suggest the use of sudo. |
| 02:45.11 | nevyn | yigal: there are 10 sysadmins in the ops team |
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| 02:45.22 | nevyn | all of whom have root on all systems. |
| 02:45.24 | Guerin | PeterFA: that's what the original argument was about |
| 02:45.44 | liable | this sudo conversation just wont die.. |
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| 02:45.49 | nevyn | Guerin: all root logins cause an alert sent to a pager. sudo doesn't cause a page. |
| 02:45.50 | yigal | nevyn: I'm sorry, this is just unacceptable, sounds like wheel group makes more sense :) |
| 02:45.52 | nevyn | :) |
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| 02:46.02 | grul | sudo killall sudo_conversation |
| 02:46.03 | Guerin | liable: sudo killall -9 argument? |
| 02:46.06 | nevyn | Guerin: ok.. |
| 02:46.09 | Guerin | grul: DAMNYOU |
| 02:46.15 | PeterFA | Where can I find information on repositories with unstable packages? |
| 02:46.28 | Firefishe | If I install debian on a partition on a disk that already has another gnu/linux distro on it, when I get to the bootloader install stage, might that mess up my ability to boot the other OS's already on the system? |
| 02:46.49 | Firefishe | they're going to share the swap partition |
| 02:46.55 | liable | it will look for other os's |
| 02:47.06 | Firefishe | liable...I see |
| 02:47.34 | lepton | Firefishe: you're only using 1 partition/distro? |
| 02:47.55 | Firefishe | liable: I thought so, but wasn't quite sure. I'm running another debian-based distro and I wanted to test debian etch 4r3 against it, with similiar stuff (yes, it's bloated) ;) lol |
| 02:48.20 | Firefishe | lepton: Yes, I know. In the words of megatokyo, "Firefishe is not L33t" ;) |
| 02:48.39 | yigal | nevyn: wow, your story really makes bsd make sense, I'm drunk though so who knows what I will think in 4 hours :) |
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| 02:48.54 | Firefishe | lepton: Oh, you mean I don't have it all partitioned up like a server? |
| 02:49.00 | lepton | Firefishe: it's possible but you'll have to wing it. hope you can get wizardly with the shell and grub |
| 02:49.18 | Firefishe | lepton: It's on a laptop drive, so multiple partitions really aren't an issue, at least not for me. |
| 02:49.26 | Firefishe | I've been using one large partition for years. |
| 02:49.36 | yigal | Firefishe: lvm2 ? |
| 02:49.40 | Firefishe | lepton: However, I can always implement something better. Suggestions? |
| 02:49.50 | Firefishe | yigal: I don't use lvm |
| 02:50.01 | Firefishe | the partitions are fixed size |
| 02:50.17 | Guerin | Firefishe: luddite! |
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| 02:50.26 | Firefishe | no extended partitinos either |
| 02:50.34 | yigal | Firefishe: don't use lvm for philosophical reasons or just because you haven't before? |
| 02:50.42 | yigal | or other? |
| 02:51.01 | yigal | why fixed size? |
| 02:51.19 | Firefishe | Guerin: I just did /msg dpkg luddite and it asked me if I was using windows. I need a reference so I can get that humor, pliz :) hee |
| 02:51.42 | Dewi | Firefishe: or just a dictionary |
| 02:52.03 | yigal | wikipedia |
| 02:52.07 | yigal | it works |
| 02:52.10 | Firefishe | yigal: Well, I used to use Mandrake way back when it wasn't drivel..I mean 'driva (*duck*), and I think it used lvm and extended partitions. |
| 02:52.16 | Firefishe | wiki..ya ya ya |
| 02:52.25 | yigal | mandrake |
| 02:52.25 | liable | !dict luddite |
| 02:52.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'luddite' (2 of 3): one of the 19th century English workmen who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought would cause unemployment ;; any opponent of technological progress. |
| 02:52.33 | Dewi | ooh |
| 02:52.38 | Dewi | dpkg: I love you |
| 02:52.39 | dpkg | I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/ |
| 02:52.46 | Dewi | bursts into tears. |
| 02:52.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:52.50 | Firefishe | lol |
| 02:53.03 | yigal | :) |
| 02:53.09 | Firefishe | yigal: So lvm should be something I use regularly, then? |
| 02:53.19 | yigal | Firefishe: it makes things easier |
| 02:53.28 | owen1 | is there a text-based virtualization app? |
| 02:53.29 | Firefishe | how, exactly? |
| 02:53.48 | Firefishe | owen1: VirtualBox has a very powerful command line tool |
| 02:53.55 | Guerin | i've always opposed lvm on the grounds that 1. it's moving parts which could break, and I'm lazy and 2. I don't find it hard to assign partitions to different things |
| 02:54.11 | nevyn | Guerin: see again we disagree. |
| 02:54.15 | Dewi | owen1: vmware server. Although you need to get access to the guest to put an OS on it |
| 02:54.21 | yigal | Firefishe: in certain contexts, when you don't know what size of partition you are interested in having :) |
| 02:54.24 | Dewi | owen1: I wonder if it can be convinced to do serial? |
| 02:54.27 | Guerin | nevyn: i concede in this case I haven't given it sufficient consideration |
| 02:54.51 | nevyn | lvm is awesome. because it allows me to make consistant backups of a production system with minor degredation in performance |
| 02:54.56 | owen1 | Firefishe: should i get the deb from sun's site? |
| 02:55.03 | nevyn | for databases and mailsystems particularly |
| 02:55.03 | Guerin | nevyn: off-site? |
| 02:55.10 | Dewi | like any piece of abstraction, you need to evaluate how likely it is to help you and how likely it is to hinder you |
| 02:55.13 | owen1 | Dewi: or can i just get it from aptitud.? |
| 02:55.45 | nevyn | Guerin: it allows me to pause transactions. create a snapshot restart transactions backup the snapshot destroy the snapshot |
| 02:55.50 | Dewi | owen1: I don't know anything about vbox, but iirc there is some vmware in non-free or something |
| 02:55.51 | nevyn | in that order |
| 02:56.00 | OBcecado | what's wrong with qemu ? |
| 02:56.02 | Dewi | owen1: vbox is opener of source |
| 02:56.19 | Dewi | "more open of source" |
| 02:56.26 | Guerin | nevyn: mm, nifty. |
| 02:56.27 | nevyn | Guerin: so the system ceases processing transactions for 3 seconds while the snapshot is created |
| 02:56.29 | yigal | vbox is pretty good |
| 02:56.31 | Dewi | OBcecado: the performance? |
| 02:56.37 | Guerin | nevyn: i think we had this argument before and you won |
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| 02:56.42 | Dewi | nevyn: or, forever |
| 02:56.47 | OBcecado | just asking your opinions |
| 02:56.54 | Dewi | nevyn: if the kernel eats itself |
| 02:56.58 | owen1 | i am familiar with vbox. where should i get it from? sun's site? |
| 02:57.05 | Firefishe | yigal: I prefer simple to complex, especially on the partitioning side of things. With my current scheme, I just (after about 2 hours' worth of chkdsk'ing and chkdsk'ing on the doze side), resized my xp partition, & created a new 20gb ext3 partition for testing other distros against one other. |
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| 02:57.30 | nevyn | Dewi: yes I assume the kernel isn't full of fail but hey. what else are you going to do. |
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| 02:58.09 | Firefishe | I now believe firmly in gparted ;) |
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| 02:59.36 | Firefishe | yigal: Although, my next laptop is going to be pure linux. Don't know what distro yet, probably debian, but it depend on hardware. I'm going to run xp virtually, and have a complete system that way. No more native at this point, save for if I need 3D for gaming, but I'm not a big gamer, so it's not really an issue right now,. |
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| 03:01.16 | yigal | Firefishe: can't argue with simple vs. complex, :), I use a tiling window manager over GNOME any day, I understand though debian GNOME didn't recognize, unfortunately the external projector I needed for my thesis defense, and had to use GNOME with Ubuntu for my defense, it made me a bit upset but I understand, at least up to a point, where your coming from |
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| 03:02.03 | yigal | Firefishe: sorry I just got an M.S. in physics, and needed to have a small thesis defense |
| 03:02.08 | Firefishe | yigal: Just as a reference, what is a tiling window manager? |
| 03:02.19 | yigal | Firefishe: xmonad, dwm, wmii :) |
| 03:02.36 | nevyn | ion |
| 03:02.39 | Firefishe | three I haven't tried yet, but now *must* |
| 03:02.44 | Firefishe | four |
| 03:02.45 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 03:03.01 | yigal | Firefishe: :), good to hear |
| 03:03.05 | Firefishe | I really want to speed up my x system. |
| 03:03.34 | Firefishe | I like the power-hungry desktops. They're pretty, and I've always been an gui person. Still, I believe I might be able to speed thigs up a bit. |
| 03:03.57 | nevyn | Firefishe: none of the above are.. pretty |
| 03:04.17 | yigal | I use the command line with screen and everything is very fast, and integrated beyond what most people understand |
| 03:04.18 | nevyn | no window decoration. or taskbars or system trays or any of that stuff |
| 03:04.26 | snogglethorpe | nevyn: seems like most of the tiling wms are made by fans of minimalism |
| 03:04.33 | spoon_man | Firefishe, compiling your own kernel can speed things up... but that's not for the faint of heart. |
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| 03:05.05 | wols_ | spoon_man: not really anymore |
| 03:05.17 | snogglethorpe | nevyn: it'd be cool to have a wm which can act as a tiling or normal wm or anything in between, and is also as pretty or sparse as you want... |
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| 03:05.37 | snogglethorpe | spoon_man: hmm dunno why ... especially with the kernel-package stuff, it's quite simple |
| 03:05.37 | yigal | snogglethorpe: gnome with xmonad |
| 03:05.41 | peterrooney | Firefishe: i agreee w/ nevyn , but $CURSE dwm is fast |
| 03:05.55 | snogglethorpe | yigal: hmm never looked at xmonad |
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| 03:05.55 | Firefishe | spoon_man: I actually did that recently, and currently have a current kernel (fresh from kernel.org) that almost boots. |
| 03:06.14 | yigal | snogglethorpe: I think you will like it :) |
| 03:06.15 | nevyn | likes kde4... |
| 03:06.30 | snogglethorpe | yigal: now my hopes are up... :-) |
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| 03:06.50 | yigal | nevyn: that's good to here, I played with it when it was really experimenal, but it's good to here that it's looking nice |
| 03:07.04 | spoon_man | Speaking of KDE, I had an X error that prevented me from booting into Gnome or KDE, but I could boot into E17 without a problem |
| 03:07.14 | Firefishe | yigal: what is 'command line with screen' ? |
| 03:07.31 | yigal | Firefishe: have you never played with gnu screen? |
| 03:07.35 | snogglethorpe | spoon_man: are there decent themes for e17 that don't have animated everything? |
| 03:07.41 | Firefishe | E17 is a buggy mess (for me) right now, so I'm a bit off on it. |
| 03:07.43 | snogglethorpe | spoon_man: the default theme is .... busy |
| 03:07.52 | Firefishe | yigal: nope. |
| 03:08.14 | yigal | Firefishe: it is a terminal multiplexer |
| 03:08.23 | spoon_man | snogglethorpe, have you checked out http://www1.get-e.org/Themes/E17/? |
| 03:08.27 | yigal | Firefishe: try it, you might like it |
| 03:08.33 | snogglethorpe | spoon_man: n |
| 03:09.05 | Firefishe | yigal: where can I find documentation and implementation and usage instructions? |
| 03:09.13 | snogglethorpe | the thing is, enlightenment alway looks so nice when I see screenshots, but I can never get it to look like that for myself... |
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| 03:09.23 | yigal | Firefishe: if your on debian right now, do a " |
| 03:09.29 | yigal | apt-get install screen |
| 03:09.33 | yigal | " |
| 03:09.46 | Firefishe | yigal, well, I"m not on debian right now, per se, but it's debian-based ;) |
| 03:09.50 | spoon_man | enlightenment does take some tweaking and experimentation |
| 03:10.16 | yigal | Firefishe: if your on Ubuntu I believe it is installed by default, but I shouldn't say much more here :) |
| 03:10.32 | Firefishe | yigal..../query me, please |
| 03:10.34 | snogglethorpe | (one thing that put me off is that I couldn't get it to accept my choice of wallpaper when I last tried it...) |
| 03:10.40 | snogglethorpe | (but i assume that was a bug) |
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| 03:13.15 | spoon_man | snogglethorpe, e17 backgrounds have to have the .edj extension |
| 03:13.38 | snogglethorpe | spoon_man: eh? |
| 03:13.38 | spoon_man | I don't know if it's simply a matter of renaming the file, or what -- I'm still experimenting :p |
| 03:13.44 | snogglethorpe | spoon_man: no just ... image file? |
| 03:14.02 | spoon_man | not that i've seen |
| 03:14.07 | snogglethorpe | wacky |
| 03:14.36 | spoon_man | i'm in the Gnome DE right now anyway, so I can't test it |
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| 03:15.41 | snogglethorpe | spoon_man: though coem to think of it, gnome is even worse about backgrounds in the current version ... you _must_ be runnign nautilus to change the bg ! |
| 03:15.49 | snogglethorpe | that's just idiotic |
| 03:16.32 | Firefishe | snogglethorpe: the file manager has to be open to a window? |
| 03:16.53 | Firefishe | or just running in the background? |
| 03:16.56 | snogglethorpe | Firefishe: no, nautilus must be running and in control of the "desktop" |
| 03:17.05 | spoon_man | snogglethorpe, I usually just right-click on the desktop |
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| 03:17.12 | Firefishe | oh...well it *is* the primary file manager for gnome, isn't it/ |
| 03:17.20 | snogglethorpe | and I don't want a freakin' "desktop" |
| 03:17.21 | Firefishe | ? |
| 03:17.51 | Firefishe | snogglethorpe: Some of us are 'comfy' with de's ;) I like minimal things, too, which is why I enjoy xfce so much. Thunar rocks! |
| 03:17.52 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 03:17.59 | snogglethorpe | for a long time, gnome was very good about being "environment agnostic" -- you could run gnome apps as you wished, and they'd work fairly well even if you didn't swallow the whole meal |
| 03:18.09 | snogglethorpe | i think that flexibility was user friendly and commendable |
| 03:18.17 | Firefishe | I agree |
| 03:18.32 | Firefishe | and that flexibility has shrunken somewhat, I am ware, as well. |
| 03:18.34 | snogglethorpe | I can understand that in some cases, it's a pain to do that, but the background is very, very simple to manage without nautilus running |
| 03:18.38 | Firefishe | aware rather |
| 03:18.56 | snogglethorpe | so there's little excuse for this particular bug |
| 03:19.52 | snogglethorpe | anyway, i've reported it as a bug in debian, who knows what will happen... |
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| 03:20.11 | Cyis | well guess I found the next best thing than trying to recover the LUKS password... luckily I was smart and had backups on CD in the safe |
| 03:20.32 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: you can set your background without nautilus managing the desktop; you just can't do it with gnome |
| 03:20.47 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: the problem is taht the various methods all seem to interact in strange ways |
| 03:21.10 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: the results of using other methods has been fairly confusing |
| 03:21.15 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: I guess the problem is that, if gnome tried to set the desktop background while something else was managing the root window, they'd fight over it |
| 03:21.32 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: and more practially, gnome was alwyas quite good about scaling etc |
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| 03:21.37 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: it was convenient |
| 03:21.59 | snogglethorpe | ugh |
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| 03:23.41 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: what about something like xli -fillscreen -onroot foo.jpg ? |
| 03:24.01 | \amethyst | I guess that might interact poorly with xrandr changing the screen size |
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| 03:24.31 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: I personally use floatbg for my root window, so scaling isn't an issue for me |
| 03:24.40 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: don't remember teh reasons why i didn't like xli, but I think I've tried them all :-/ |
| 03:24.40 | \amethyst | (it's all a solid colour) |
| 03:24.50 | snogglethorpe | oh well |
| 03:25.13 | snogglethorpe | right now I only chagne the bg at start tiem, which still works with ghome :-) |
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| 03:28.20 | Firefishe | yigal: is xmonad listed under another name? apt-get doesn't seem to find it |
| 03:28.59 | owen1 | how to see list of users and groups? |
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| 03:29.17 | stew | owen1: getent passwd ; getent group |
| 03:30.00 | owen1 | stew: thanks, can i also open a file that shows it? |
| 03:30.16 | stew | owen1: usually /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
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| 03:32.56 | owen1 | stew: how do i see what users belong to what group? |
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| 03:34.33 | wols_ | owen1: id |
| 03:35.14 | wols_ | tho. that's the other way around I guess. to what groups belongs a user |
| 03:36.42 | owen1 | vboxusers:x:105:oren does it mean oren belongs to vbox? |
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| 03:38.51 | Firefishe | I thought oren belonged to us all, but that's another neverending story |
| 03:38.52 | Firefishe | ;) |
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| 03:40.03 | slickming | how can I find out the CPU type? |
| 03:40.42 | rsk | slickming: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:40.49 | slickming | thx |
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| 03:43.14 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm having some trouble getting X to run on debian |
| 03:43.17 | Firefishe | okay, folks, gotta fly. bye for now |
| 03:43.20 | Hail_Spacecake | this is my xorg.0.log: http://debian.pastebin.com/d9e4f892 |
| 03:45.26 | Hail_Spacecake | when I actually run startx I get the error "Fatal error: no screens found" |
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| 03:45.36 | slickming | exit |
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| 03:46.57 | mmlj4 | Hail_Spacecake: you haven't configured X correctly yet |
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| 03:47.24 | Hail_Spacecake | ah, yeah, I put back the video card I took out when I installed X |
| 03:47.27 | Hail_Spacecake | although it wasn't working then either |
| 03:47.38 | Hail_Spacecake | that's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, right? |
| 03:47.43 | Hail_Spacecake | to reconfigure X? |
| 03:47.48 | mmlj4 | here's a hint... shoot for 480x640, 16 colors, then once that works, start bumping up the numbers |
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| 03:50.38 | julu | where can i check on known security vulnerabilities for debian packages? |
| 03:51.44 | Hail_Spacecake | mmlj4, I did that |
| 03:51.50 | Hail_Spacecake | now the error when I run startx is |
| 03:52.11 | Hail_Spacecake | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 03:52.20 | Nyle | !fixed |
| 03:52.21 | dpkg | well, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 03:53.58 | julu | is there a debian bugzilla? |
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| 03:55.10 | Nyle | !bts |
| 03:55.11 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 03:56.04 | Hail_Spacecake | okay, I installed xorg |
| 03:56.16 | Hail_Spacecake | that didn't change the error, so I assume I need to update something in xorg.conf |
| 03:57.00 | minerale | the search feature for backports is broken, how can I discover if there's a backport of 'rtorrent' ? |
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| 04:02.45 | Rusty1 | http://packages.debian.org/sarge-backports/rtorrent minerale googled that up, dunno |
| 04:02.54 | Hail_Spacecake | anyone? |
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| 04:08.21 | null | Question: I upgraded from Etch to Sid today and while X.org did not FULLY break (nvidia twinview acceleration even starts!) I don't get any desktop environment past a blue background and the mouse icon after logging in at the gdm. |
| 04:09.25 | XGas | That doesn't read out like a question |
| 04:09.29 | XGas | more like a report |
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| 04:09.54 | null | XGas: that is true. But the problem is evident. |
| 04:10.05 | null | Should i dpkg-reconfigure xorg? |
| 04:10.36 | Hail_Spacecake | for that matter, if I dpkg-reconfigure'd xorg, would that fix my problem, or would I still have that font error? |
| 04:10.57 | XGas | never hurts to try since you updated to Sid |
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| 04:11.56 | null | XGas: true. i was bored today and had to break something :D. rtorrent, samba and madwifi are functioning so the box is functional |
| 04:12.09 | XGas | aha |
| 04:13.26 | XGas | I don't have a Debian box anymore since I'm trying out other distros that just came out a few weeks ago, I already broken the "stable" built of OpenSuSe 11 from a fresh clean install. |
| 04:14.19 | XGas | I'm still typing here, so its still fine, YaST2 is broken though |
| 04:14.40 | XGas | then, a few hours ago, I broken Fedora 9 |
| 04:14.58 | null | heh, my satellite 1115-s103 laptop's left hinge just failed and the cpu heatsink/fan is so loud this laptop is unusable. it's almost not worth ebaying another fan.. :( |
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| 04:15.36 | XGas | null: I suggest a clean install from the snapshot DVD |
| 04:15.45 | XGas | harharhar* |
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| 04:16.25 | null | i can't afford that much downtime on that box |
| 04:16.40 | XGas | damn. |
| 04:17.07 | XGas | You're not suppose to test that on a /production/ machine |
| 04:17.10 | extor | Is there a way for me to create a 100MB RAM cache...so that if I write something to /var/log/ then that will actually be written to RAM instead of hard drive...and every hour or so the RAM cache gets flushed? |
| 04:17.26 | XGas | extor: Ram drive? |
| 04:17.34 | extor | yeah |
| 04:17.41 | XGas | Why not |
| 04:17.46 | extor | but a ram drive which occasionally gets written to hard drive |
| 04:17.53 | extor | like every hour or so |
| 04:18.01 | XGas | hmm. |
| 04:18.34 | XGas | lots of ways to do this |
| 04:18.44 | XGas | don't know where to start. |
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| 04:19.21 | extor | but it will take a big strain off i/o I presume, right? |
| 04:19.50 | XGas | make a script to copy it in set amount of time has pass everytime...... |
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| 04:20.09 | XGas | copy from ram drive to harddisk or somewhere else* |
| 04:20.21 | extor | it will work but not very elegent |
| 04:20.28 | null | XGas: I know, but I will need to start editing AVCHD video on that box and that's such a new codec i thought, hey, sid time! |
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| 04:20.40 | XGas | or you can do a LVM mount |
| 04:20.48 | extor | I am surprised nobody has created a filesystem that itself periodically flushes to hdd |
| 04:20.58 | XGas | but reboot will break it. |
| 04:21.01 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 04:21.02 | null | creating a file system is not easy |
| 04:21.07 | extor | LVM? That is a confusing filesystem I stay away from that |
| 04:21.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:21.15 | XGas | lol |
| 04:21.22 | XGas | I love LVM |
| 04:21.24 | extor | null a filesystem is just a flat file addressed logically as a "system" hehe |
| 04:21.29 | Guerin | nevyn: come and do your lvm song and dance again |
| 04:21.49 | XGas | oh wow |
| 04:21.50 | nevyn | first you must cross my palm with silver. |
| 04:23.01 | nevyn | extor: if you worked for me and did that for /var/log I'd fire your ass |
| 04:23.25 | extor | var/log/apache2 |
| 04:23.40 | extor | that gets pounded every single second |
| 04:23.47 | nevyn | put it on another disk |
| 04:23.51 | nevyn | but NOT a ramdisk |
| 04:24.00 | alphabeat | nevyn: why not? |
| 04:24.10 | XGas | hmm, I thought it was for something unimportant |
| 04:24.15 | extor | it would be on a ram disk temporarily |
| 04:24.20 | nevyn | when everything goes pear shaped loosing the last hour of log is not acceptable |
| 04:24.30 | XGas | scrap my idea. |
| 04:24.31 | extor | every 5 minutes it would get flushed to hard drive...I wonder if such a filesystem exists |
| 04:24.41 | Guerin | !beer nevyn |
| 04:24.41 | dpkg | pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for nevyn |
| 04:24.51 | Guerin | nevyn: better than silver! |
| 04:25.00 | nevyn | heh |
| 04:25.05 | extor | are the last 5 minutes of apache logs that critical |
| 04:25.07 | XGas | !beer |
| 04:25.08 | extor | ? |
| 04:25.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 04:25.41 | Guerin | extor: the last 5 minutes of *anything* before a crash are interesting |
| 04:26.15 | extor | Guerin, true. The non apache logs would be safe |
| 04:26.23 | XGas | extor: Lots of ways I can point out why, but after losing my patience in testing all that the different distro, I will leave it to someone else to do it. |
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| 04:26.32 | XGas | -the |
| 04:26.34 | extor | But then again I dont expect the box to crash since it has been up 60 days without a reboot even |
| 04:26.37 | XGas | damn, I need some sleep |
| 04:27.14 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm still getting the could not open default font fixed error |
| 04:27.17 | XGas | extor: Don't say that, it will crash right onto you face this moment if you say that. |
| 04:27.26 | Hail_Spacecake | I don't see a line in xorg.conf that mentions the word 'fixed' |
| 04:27.28 | Hail_Spacecake | it has a bunch of font paths |
| 04:27.48 | extor | 21:26:23 up 63 days, 9:52, 2 users, load average: 0.24, 0.36, 0.27 <--- Nope, still running :P |
| 04:28.05 | Hail_Spacecake | I don't know where the fixed font might be |
| 04:28.06 | XGas | extor: We will see. :) |
| 04:28.20 | Hail_Spacecake | I've installed xfonts-base |
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| 04:32.48 | julu | can anyone recommend a good light-weight browser? I want ssomething smaller (and less vulnerable) than firefox, but more compatible than dillo |
| 04:33.15 | Hail_Spacecake | opera? |
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| 04:33.26 | Hail_Spacecake | anyone have any suggestions for my xorg problem? |
| 04:33.32 | Guerin | eew, opera |
| 04:33.39 | Guerin | !fixed |
| 04:33.39 | dpkg | it has been said that fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 04:33.41 | \amethyst | julu: epiphany |
| 04:33.51 | \amethyst | julu: or konqueror if you're a KDE person |
| 04:33.56 | Hail_Spacecake | I already did 'aptitude install xorg' |
| 04:33.59 | Hail_Spacecake | it didn't fix the problem |
| 04:34.12 | Guerin | Hail_Spacecake: try installing xfonts-base |
| 04:34.31 | Hail_Spacecake | xfonts-base is installed |
| 04:34.37 | Guerin | hm. |
| 04:35.15 | Hail_Spacecake | in fact, if I run aptitude install xfonts-base aptitude runs for a bit then doesn't download or install anything because it's already installed |
| 04:35.27 | \amethyst | julu: in etch epiphany-browser uses the Gecko rendering engine; in sid (and lenny) both Gecko and Webkit versions are available |
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| 04:37.02 | \amethyst | julu: (Gecko is the rendering engine from Firefox, Seamonkey, etc; Webkit is from Safari) |
| 04:38.48 | vijay | Hello, what is the corresponding debian pacakage for mesa-libGLw-devel (which is an rpm) .. I tried installing some mesa packages .. but none of them gave me the include file "GL/GLwDrawA.h" |
| 04:39.32 | vijay | is there a way to search which deb package would provide this header file? |
| 04:39.34 | Guerin | vijay: /msg dpkg search - that file might be elsewhere |
| 04:39.54 | vijay | thanks Guerin |
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| 04:40.37 | zophy | hi |
| 04:40.43 | cast|lir | i'm working so hard, i thought i better join |
| 04:40.49 | Hail_Spacecake | what is the actual fileneame of the fixed font? |
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| 04:41.47 | zophy | cast|lir, hi |
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| 04:42.13 | zophy | is ummph a simile for huh ? |
| 04:42.27 | Guerin | depends |
| 04:42.34 | zophy | no... ummph is more affirmativfe |
| 04:42.38 | Guerin | it's ambiguous - meaning depends on context |
| 04:42.43 | zophy | yes |
| 04:42.44 | cast|lir | hello zophy |
| 04:42.52 | cast|lir | Guerin, to, |
| 04:43.02 | Guerin | high |
| 04:43.15 | cast|lir | filthly lies! |
| 04:43.38 | zophy | and tasty truths |
| 04:43.55 | cast|lir | finally got to playing with ec2 last night, might have to make my own debian image if i can't find a amazon supplied one. but it was pretty cool |
| 04:44.08 | cast|lir | [they had fc4 and fc8] |
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| 04:46.03 | awesomess3 | Where is a word list text file located on Debian? |
| 04:46.39 | Agrajag- | awesomess3: /usr/share/dict/words |
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| 04:49.04 | awesomess3 | Agrajag-: thanks :-) |
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| 04:50.16 | awesomess3 | Anyone know that word..I don't know how to spell it...but it sounds like: "proto jshay" where the 'jsh' are kind of meshed together. I think it's like Italian... |
| 04:50.37 | awesomess3 | I think it means... "your first person" |
| 04:50.45 | Agrajag- | awesomess3: protege ? |
| 04:50.50 | awesomess3 | aha! |
| 04:50.55 | awesomess3 | thank you! |
| 04:51.39 | awesomess3 | Hmmm I got the definition wrong |
| 04:51.40 | Guerin | protegé |
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| 05:02.12 | enouf | Bac9: the VendorID and DeviceID you gave for that VIA PCI Card yesterday were [1106:1571] which tells us it requires the via82cxxx, not a vt6421a chipset, although, if it indeed has that chipset {also} on it, the module would be 'sata_via' but the comments in http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/ata/sata_via.c#L264 seem to indicate it's a piece of garb unfortunately, and i guess by "scsi-addon" you mean SATA |
| 05:02.54 | deadcat | xulrunner-stub seems like a CPU hog )= on ff3 |
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| 05:15.44 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:15.44 | dpkg | <twiggz> who cares...dont pick a dictionary pass and its secure. |
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| 05:18.40 | enouf | Bac9: for ex; in my BIOS, i have one area for Boot Order (cdrom, hdd, floppy, etc) and another area/screen shows me options that i can tell it to Boot off a PCI Card as 1st, or HDD first, or Network Device 1st [<--repeated] , and b/c i have more than 1 HDD, i can set the order of which one is 1st in that sub menu |
| 05:18.52 | zophy | wow, it is silent here |
| 05:18.56 | zophy | i might move in and heat the place with barbeque charcoal |
| 05:20.03 | enouf | Bac9: if i swap that order (in that submenu), Grub freaks out and thinks hd0 is now the new device i've put into 1st postition |
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| 05:21.08 | enouf | Bac9: however, that appears to not be your issue, i guess, since you do boot fine, but the kernel is scannng/detecting/assigning IDE0, IDE1, IDE2 incorrectly |
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| 05:23.43 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm still getting the could not open default font fixed error message when I run startx |
| 05:23.48 | Hail_Spacecake | I tried following these directions: http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages#head-a570197d15005a2c71cbb5e565114e2c04a573a3 |
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| 05:24.09 | Hail_Spacecake | I ran mkfontdir on /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 |
| 05:24.23 | Hail_Spacecake | which just created an empty fonts.dir file |
| 05:24.37 | enouf | Bac9: this is why i asked about where you have 'via82cxxx' listed, (for ex; /etc/modules) and/or if it's loading from initrd, etc - If you also have the vt6421c SATA Controller Chip on the card, maybe loading that early as well might help, or removing 'one or both' aforementioned (if they do indeed load early) |
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| 05:26.42 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm getting this error right before the could not open default font error: Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, removing from\ |
| 05:26.42 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:27.12 | Hail_Spacecake | except the path is /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 instead of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc |
| 05:27.53 | zophy | hi |
| 05:27.57 | enouf | zophy: if you do, you better be a chef and make me some dinner :-P |
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| 05:29.40 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: do you have a line like this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 05:29.43 | enouf | FontPath "unix/:7100" local font serverFontPath "unix/:7100" local font server |
| 05:30.06 | batcoder-7 | anyone here use KDE with debian ? |
| 05:30.20 | Hail_Spacecake | enouf: no I don't |
| 05:30.28 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: crap, double paste; FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server |
| 05:30.44 | Hail_Spacecake | all the FontPath lines are simple filesystem paths |
| 05:30.44 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: add that to top of font Section |
| 05:31.12 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: as 1st line just beneath Section "Files" |
| 05:31.15 | Hail_Spacecake | FontPath "unix/:7100" local font serverFontPath |
| 05:31.16 | Hail_Spacecake | ? |
| 05:31.19 | Hail_Spacecake | exactly that line? |
| 05:31.32 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: look again at my correction |
| 05:31.44 | Hail_Spacecake | oh |
| 05:31.47 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server |
| 05:32.38 | magyar | hi, how do i use bzip2 to give me best compression? |
| 05:32.56 | cast|lir | if you want best wouldn't you use lzma? |
| 05:33.08 | cast|lir | and `man bzip2` to answer your question |
| 05:33.12 | Hail_Spacecake | enouf: adding that line increased the amount of time that the screen went blank for before X crashed and had the same font error message |
| 05:33.42 | Hail_Spacecake | actually I think the screen will stay blank until I move the mouse |
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| 05:33.43 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: i have had that since Sarge in my XF86-Config-4/xorg.conf .. now, i believe "xfs" (X Font Server) is the new kid in town, but in Lenny it's been removed, i guess from bugs |
| 05:33.45 | Hail_Spacecake | I don't see an X cursor though |
| 05:34.13 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:34.44 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: use a pastebin to show us |
| 05:35.56 | Hail_Spacecake | http://debian.pastebin.com/d7bc7bbaf |
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| 05:37.11 | zophy | i sense there is some cross channel talk between the military death exchange and the civilian spreadsheet exchange |
| 05:37.14 | zophy | i can live with this |
| 05:37.18 | zophy | i like a good sugary lard confection |
| 05:37.28 | micols | when i do netboot on my debian klient it mounts root as readonly at first over nfs, can i change that to rw somehow? |
| 05:37.29 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: one moment .. |
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| 05:37.32 | micols | when it reads fstab its changed to rw, but thats too late, i get 100 error messages before that from readonly root |
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| 05:37.44 | magyar | cast|lir: i dont get it from the man page, is it 9 or 1 ? |
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| 05:38.41 | cast|lir | looks |
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| 05:39.06 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: according to that you have no fatal Xserver errors, she should load up |
| 05:39.48 | cast|lir | -1 (or --fast) to -9 (or --best) |
| 05:39.49 | owen1 | i am adding my user to vbox group (usermod -a -G vboxusers orenu) but when runnig vbox i get a message that i need to add mysely to the group. what am i doing wroug? |
| 05:39.57 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: can you pastebin entire xorg.conf? are you using lenny? etch? a mix? |
| 05:40.24 | Hail_Spacecake | enouf: I did a netinstall |
| 05:40.34 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: which one? |
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| 05:40.40 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm not sure |
| 05:40.47 | Hail_Spacecake | whatever the latest one is, I guess |
| 05:40.49 | magyar | cast|lir: thanks |
| 05:40.52 | cast|lir | magyar: so yeah....-9 would be to quote you and the manpage 'best' |
| 05:40.59 | Hail_Spacecake | is the version number listed in a file somewhere? |
| 05:41.08 | cast|lir | magyar: but really, lzma is worth looking at if you want the best compression. |
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| 05:41.15 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: there are many, and yes |
| 05:41.23 | Madkiss_ | hi all. |
| 05:41.24 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: filename.iso |
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| 05:41.43 | magyar | cast|lir: stuck with bzip2, the program is using only bzip |
| 05:42.05 | cast|lir | which program? |
| 05:42.10 | Madkiss_ | i've got a simple question; i have three tarballs from a system. one with all files (find / -type f), one with all directories (-type d) and one with all symlinks (-type l). should these three be enough to restore the complete system on another computer? |
| 05:42.17 | Hail_Spacecake | xorg.log: http://debian.pastebin.com/d7b5bf625 |
| 05:42.19 | owen1 | is that the way to add user to a group - usermod -a -G vboxusers oren ? |
| 05:42.41 | cast|lir | Madkiss_: nope. |
| 05:42.52 | cast|lir | Madkiss_: how do you know which dir all the files go in? |
| 05:42.58 | Hail_Spacecake | debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:43.05 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: i asked for xorg.conf, which i should've made clear is /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:43.10 | Hail_Spacecake | oh |
| 05:43.11 | batcoder-7 | anyone here run debian with KDE ? |
| 05:43.13 | Hail_Spacecake | smacks forhead |
| 05:43.15 | cast|lir | Madkiss_: if you did use find -f won't the files tarball also have all the dirs the files are in, thoguh? |
| 05:43.17 | Madkiss_ | cast|lir: i am untarring them in /mnt/newsys on a grml |
| 05:43.17 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: ok, that's etch |
| 05:43.21 | Hail_Spacecake | can't read today |
| 05:43.28 | valdyn | Madkiss_: it should be enough as you dont need any dir that is empty in all likelyness |
| 05:43.33 | enouf | me neither - more coffee Hail_Spacecake ;-) |
| 05:43.35 | magyar | cast|lir: its and old webmin backup program |
| 05:43.37 | Madkiss_ | valdyn: there are some. |
| 05:43.53 | cast|lir | webmins shit. i will have nothing to do with it! |
| 05:43.59 | enouf | batcoder-7: i know a little about it |
| 05:44.25 | Hail_Spacecake | http://debian.pastebin.com/d2e4e67b4 |
| 05:44.52 | magyar | cast|lir: well, there is no other backup software with a simple selection and email status |
| 05:45.12 | valdyn | magyar: umm |
| 05:45.33 | magyar | cast|lir: i tried amanda, but I never could get that fine software to backup |
| 05:45.37 | owen1 | how to add a user to a group? |
| 05:45.46 | valdyn | owen1: adduser user group |
| 05:45.56 | magyar | bahh, too fast |
| 05:45.59 | owen1 | valdyn: thanks. |
| 05:46.10 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: what does dpkg -l xfs | tail -n 1 say? |
| 05:46.52 | Hail_Spacecake | un xfs none no description available |
| 05:46.57 | Hail_Spacecake | I take it xfs isn't installed |
| 05:47.03 | Hail_Spacecake | aptitude install xfs? |
| 05:47.23 | valdyn | why would anyone use xfs still? |
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| 05:47.40 | Hail_Spacecake | because x doesn't work at all without it, apparantly |
| 05:47.58 | Madkiss_ | i am seeing quite strange errors, actually |
| 05:48.05 | infinitycircuit | i am in x without xfs |
| 05:48.25 | Madkiss_ | 99% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor |
| 05:48.29 | Madkiss_ | what's that? |
| 05:49.06 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: yes, install xfs |
| 05:49.23 | Hail_Spacecake | enouf, did that, ran xinit again, still getting the same error |
| 05:49.51 | batcoder-7 | i am going ot install KDE is it better to use the onboard VGA thing or use the gefore2 ? |
| 05:49.51 | batcoder-7 | the onboard is a SiS |
| 05:49.56 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: remove that unix:/7100 line then "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" |
| 05:50.00 | cast|lir | wonders how you would create a tarball of just files |
| 05:50.03 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 05:50.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 05:50.11 | valdyn | Hail_Spacecake: ^^^ |
| 05:50.25 | enouf | he has them, supposedly |
| 05:50.42 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: dpkg -l xfonts-base | tail -n 1 |
| 05:50.42 | Hail_Spacecake | xorg is installed. xfonts-base is installed |
| 05:50.51 | valdyn | Hail_Spacecake: reinstall xfonts-base |
| 05:50.55 | cast|lir | i'd probably do find -type f then cp -l them all into one dir, then tarball that, though that will only work good for a single fs :< |
| 05:51.00 | batcoder-7 | any ideas enouf ? |
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| 05:51.21 | Hail_Spacecake | ii xfonts-base 1.0.0-4 standard fonts for x |
| 05:51.35 | enouf | batcoder-7: geforce2 Video Card would use the Xorg 'nv' driver |
| 05:51.36 | |v|4s7e|2 | how do i get \ to display in /etc/issues |
| 05:51.47 | enouf | batcoder-7: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 05:51.47 | cast|lir | would need cp -b or some way to deal with duplicate filenames, too |
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| 05:52.05 | Hail_Spacecake | I reinstalled it, didn't fix anything |
| 05:52.07 | cast|lir | |v|4s7e|2: tried \\? |
| 05:52.09 | enouf | batcoder-7: oh, you have 2 Video Cards, sorry - one onboard? |
| 05:52.15 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm going to try the dpkg-reconfigure on fontconfig now |
| 05:52.23 | |v|4s7e|2 | cast|lir: lemmie chack |
| 05:52.24 | valdyn | |v|4s7e|2: like that: \\ |
| 05:52.28 | |v|4s7e|2 | *check |
| 05:53.04 | PeterFA | Are there repositories for unstable packages? |
| 05:53.25 | |v|4s7e|2 | cast|lir, valdyn, that works thanks |
| 05:53.34 | batcoder-7 | enouf: a SiS onboard and a geforce 2 mmx |
| 05:53.51 | Hail_Spacecake | I still can't open the default font fixed, apparantly |
| 05:53.52 | batcoder-7 | enouf: would there be an advantage in uing the geforce like a performance gain ? |
| 05:53.59 | cast|lir | PeterFA: i'm worried that if you're asking that question maybe you shouldn't use it ;P |
| 05:54.52 | PeterFA | cast|lir, I just got off of Kubuntu. I'm used to abusing myself. |
| 05:54.53 | cast|lir | PeterFA: all the debian mirrors ive used have had etch, lenny and sid |
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| 05:57.19 | fisxoj | can someone help me figure out why my 3d isn't using hardware rendering? the xorg people say it's debian related |
| 05:57.33 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: try 'aptitude install xorg' anyway |
| 05:57.42 | enouf | batcoder-7: was afk .. one sec |
| 05:57.43 | Knome | how long does a ban last?? |
| 05:58.09 | Hail_Spacecake | enouf: that doesn't install anything |
| 05:58.17 | enouf | batcoder-7: depends which is which, i would think if gf2 is AGP, then sure |
| 05:58.18 | Hail_Spacecake | it just runs aptitude and it says it's downloading and install ing 0 mb of files |
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| 05:58.32 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: ok, hrm |
| 05:59.14 | enouf | batcoder-7: pastebin lspci -nn output |
| 05:59.27 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: run aptitude update ; then again |
| 05:59.40 | PeterFA | enouf, you use Debian? |
| 05:59.51 | enouf | PeterFA: no, i make believe i do |
| 06:00.00 | enouf | !anyone use Debian |
| 06:00.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses Debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:00.13 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:00.18 | Hail_Spacecake | still didn't do anything |
| 06:01.11 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: ls -l /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 <-- pastebin |
| 06:01.34 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: aptitude install fontconfig |
| 06:01.47 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm on Debian now. I can't stand Kubuntu. It can't maintain a system. |
| 06:02.01 | enouf | PeterFA: that's nice to know .. |
| 06:02.37 | enouf | !break PeterFA |
| 06:02.37 | dpkg | tells PeterFA how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 06:02.44 | enouf | ;-) |
| 06:03.11 | enouf | PeterFA: you might want to do "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" |
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| 06:03.34 | Hail_Spacecake | http://debian.pastebin.com/d478ec631 |
| 06:03.52 | PeterFA | enouf, thank you. |
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| 06:04.24 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: aptitude install xfonts-encodings |
| 06:04.28 | Hail_Spacecake | okay |
| 06:04.33 | Hail_Spacecake | but first, one quick thing |
| 06:04.36 | Hail_Spacecake | how do you restart sshd? |
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| 06:05.23 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 06:05.26 | \amethyst | Hail_Spacecake: invoke-rc.d sshd restart but it won't stop existing cnnections |
| 06:05.32 | owen1_ | i insert a cd. where is it? under media i see cdrom and cdrom0 but both are empty. |
| 06:05.35 | \amethyst | Hail_Spacecake: you'll have to kill -HUP those |
| 06:05.50 | \amethyst | Hail_Spacecake: (if you want to stop them) |
| 06:06.00 | batcoder-7 | enouf: its PCI |
| 06:06.05 | enouf | owen1_: huh? what kind of cd? |
| 06:06.10 | enouf | batcoder-7: ewww |
| 06:06.21 | batcoder-7 | enouf: this thing is old lol |
| 06:06.24 | owen1_ | enouf: cd with an image on it. |
| 06:06.36 | batcoder-7 | enouf: like 01-02 card wise |
| 06:06.38 | enouf | batcoder-7: heck, my 32MB tnt2 pro is even AGP 2x |
| 06:06.38 | owen1_ | enouf: iso |
| 06:06.48 | enouf | !cdrom mount |
| 06:06.52 | enouf | !mount cd |
| 06:06.55 | enouf | !mount cdrom |
| 06:06.55 | dpkg | If everything is working well, then just "mount /dev/cdrom"; otherwise, you can "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /media/cdrom" where /dev/hdX (or /dev/sdX) is your cd-device. See man mount for more information or ask me about <automount> or <iso mount>. |
| 06:07.02 | batcoder-7 | enouf: agp just came out when this card came out i think |
| 06:07.11 | batcoder-7 | enouf: which would be better to use onboard or this ? |
| 06:07.21 | enouf | batcoder-7: no - gf series are much newer than my card :-P |
| 06:07.29 | Hail_Spacecake | sigh, still getting the same error |
| 06:07.29 | enouf | batcoder-7: man nv |
| 06:07.39 | enouf | batcoder-7: what's onboard spec? |
| 06:08.02 | enouf | batcoder-7: didn't pastebin? |
| 06:08.02 | batcoder-7 | enouf: im not even runing on the computer right now |
| 06:08.09 | batcoder-7 | i jus knwo its a SiS |
| 06:08.11 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: are you trying to launch X remotely? |
| 06:08.19 | enouf | batcoder-7: NEI |
| 06:08.22 | enouf | !nei |
| 06:08.22 | dpkg | Not Enough Information. If you don't give us enough information to even begin to see what your problem is, there's no way we will be able to help you at all. |
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| 06:08.30 | Hail_Spacecake | no, I'm on another computer for irciing |
| 06:08.34 | owen1_ | enouf: nice. mount /dev/cdrom works. |
| 06:08.41 | Hail_Spacecake | but they're both using the same monitor |
| 06:08.58 | owen1_ | !automount |
| 06:08.58 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 06:08.59 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: heh, how are you switching? |
| 06:09.01 | Hail_Spacecake | and it's a pain in the ass to manually switch which input it's using if I"m just installing things wiht aptitude or whatever |
| 06:09.14 | Hail_Spacecake | pressing a button on the front and going through a menu to switch the input from vga to dvi |
| 06:09.19 | batcoder-7 | enouf: 4/8 MB 2x AGP Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 06:09.22 | owen1_ | !autofs |
| 06:09.23 | dpkg | [autofs] a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
| 06:09.25 | Hail_Spacecake | yeah, it's inconvenient |
| 06:09.25 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: haha |
| 06:09.37 | batcoder-7 | enouf: is the onboard better then the external lol ? |
| 06:09.42 | enouf | !tell owen1_ -about msg the bot |
| 06:09.56 | enouf | batcoder-7: dude ... |
| 06:09.57 | Hail_Spacecake | which is why as soon as I get x running I can run graphical browers and xchat and not have to worry about that |
| 06:10.55 | Hail_Spacecake | *browsers |
| 06:10.56 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: did you ever pastebin your xorg.conf? |
| 06:11.01 | Hail_Spacecake | oh, right |
| 06:11.14 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: also pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:11.26 | batcoder-7 | enouf: yea ? |
| 06:11.35 | enouf | go away now ... |
| 06:11.38 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:11.55 | batcoder-7 | lol? |
| 06:11.55 | Hail_Spacecake | xorg.conf: http://debian.pastebin.com/d5ea6ed6a |
| 06:12.04 | enouf | batcoder-7: come back with more info |
| 06:12.18 | batcoder-7 | i mean thats the chip |
| 06:12.32 | Hail_Spacecake | http://debian.pastebin.com/d51ece647 |
| 06:12.36 | batcoder-7 | 2-8 4x agp SiS |
| 06:13.10 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: that looks all good at 1st look |
| 06:13.16 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: the xorg.conf |
| 06:13.31 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: except you can comment out the /usr/X11 font path lines |
| 06:13.47 | Hail_Spacecake | that's only if I use xfs, right? |
| 06:13.50 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: except you can comment out the /usr/X11R6 font path lines |
| 06:13.50 | Hail_Spacecake | and apparantly xfs is bad? |
| 06:14.07 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: no it isn't not in Etch (or sid) |
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| 06:14.53 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
| 06:16.03 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: do you have gnome or kde or xfce ... ? and how about a Display manager? kdm, xdm, gdm, etc? |
| 06:16.27 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: grep initdefault /etc/inittab |
| 06:16.27 | Hail_Spacecake | I was planning on installing wmii |
| 06:16.37 | Hail_Spacecake | but for the time being I just want to get an xterm up |
| 06:17.02 | Hail_Spacecake | I don't plan to install a dm at all |
| 06:17.40 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: odd, you're missing something it seems .. can you pastebin the most recent /var/log/Xorg.0.log please |
| 06:18.01 | Hail_Spacecake | hang on, I'm at the upgrade screen |
| 06:18.06 | Hail_Spacecake | and it's talking about installing a new kernel |
| 06:18.11 | Hail_Spacecake | I don't want that, how do I kill it? |
| 06:18.23 | Hail_Spacecake | ctrl-c doesn't work |
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| 06:18.46 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: you only have etch, you will ony get a security upgraded kernel |
| 06:19.11 | Hail_Spacecake | it says until I reboot the module list will be wrong |
| 06:19.17 | Hail_Spacecake | but I don't think I changed any default modules anyway |
| 06:19.33 | enouf | module list? you have installed a custom kernel? |
| 06:19.36 | Hail_Spacecake | no |
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| 06:19.44 | Hail_Spacecake | that's just what the aptitude screen was telling me |
| 06:19.56 | enouf | i don't use aptitude :-P |
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| 06:20.49 | Hail_Spacecake | I hear that apt-get/cache/whatever is somehow broken, and so it's better to use aptitude |
| 06:21.15 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm used to using arch linux's pacman anyway, and aptitude's syntax is closer to that than apt-get's is |
| 06:21.22 | Hail_Spacecake | greg@ichigo:/etc/X11$ sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:21.22 | Hail_Spacecake | X Window System Version 7.1.1 |
| 06:21.22 | Hail_Spacecake | Release Date: 12 May 2006 |
| 06:21.22 | Hail_Spacecake | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1 |
| 06:21.22 | Hail_Spacecake | Build Operating System: UNKNOWN |
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| 06:21.55 | Hail_Spacecake | (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard" |
| 06:21.57 | Hail_Spacecake | (**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse" |
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| 06:21.59 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist. |
| 06:22.01 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.03 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. |
| 06:22.03 | infinitycircuit | wow |
| 06:22.05 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.07 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. |
| 06:22.07 | infinitycircuit | paste PLEASE |
| 06:22.09 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.11 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" does not exist. |
| 06:22.13 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.15 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" does not exist. |
| 06:22.17 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.21 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" does not exist. |
| 06:22.23 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.25 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" does not exist. |
| 06:22.27 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.29 | Hail_Spacecake | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" does not exist. |
| 06:22.31 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.33 | Hail_Spacecake | (**) FontPath set to: |
| 06:22.35 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.37 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.39 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.41 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.43 | Hail_Spacecake | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.45 | Hail_Spacecake | whoops |
| 06:22.47 | Hail_Spacecake | http://debian.pastebin.com/d17bd06f4 |
| 06:22.50 | prav33n | Hail_Spacecake: Please use postbin to paste it |
| 06:23.08 | Hail_Spacecake | I did, I just didn't copy the pastebin link apparantly |
| 06:23.10 | Hail_Spacecake | it's http://debian.pastebin.com/d17bd06f4 |
| 06:23.16 | prav33n | Hail_Spacecake: Okay |
| 06:23.38 | enouf | omg |
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| 06:23.54 | enouf | i go to fill my cup of coffee , and all hell breaks loose |
| 06:23.57 | Hail_Spacecake | omg? |
| 06:25.08 | CaT[t3] | hell, eh? |
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| 06:27.00 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: ~$ ls /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc | egrep 'encodings.dir|fonts.alias|fonts.dir' | xargs echo |
| 06:27.35 | enouf | CaT[t3]: spoken like Jeff Dunham while he's holding sweepea :-P |
| 06:27.36 | Hail_Spacecake | greg@ichigo:/etc/X11$ ls /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc | egrep 'encodings.dir|fonts.alias|fonts.dir' | xargs echo |
| 06:27.36 | Hail_Spacecake | encodings.dir fonts.dir |
| 06:27.51 | enouf | you're missing fonts.alias |
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| 06:28.02 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: "There is also a possibility that the [fontpath]/misc/fonts.alias file is missing. This can cause the X server to not find the alias of 'fixed' to whatever is the actual fixed font." |
| 06:28.28 | Hail_Spacecake | so how do I create it? |
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| 06:30.03 | SeicherlBoB | hi! My Debian Sarge Server just refuses to boot up. Not even GRUP is starting up. All i get is a blinking cursor right before GRUP should start up. Currently i'm checking my RAM with Knoppix, but it seems to be allright. Should I try to reinstall GRUP or is there something else I should check first? |
| 06:30.21 | enouf | i see it in the "gsfonts-x11" pkg, but i'm doing a deeper search atm |
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| 06:31.04 | enouf | crap .. not sure in X, let me hit p.d.o |
| 06:31.11 | enouf | er, in Etch |
| 06:32.30 | enouf | crap, looks like a .postinstall script might make it |
| 06:32.37 | enouf | er .postinst |
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| 06:35.10 | Hail_Spacecake | what's a .postinst script? |
| 06:36.50 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: install http://packages.debian.org/etch/xfonts-jmk (to atleast grab the fonts.scale stuff) |
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| 06:37.08 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: run fc-cache -s -v -f |
| 06:37.26 | liable | boo, compiled mesa and drm, now i need to do xorg i think. |
| 06:37.35 | liable | check experimental |
| 06:38.00 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: since when did this happen? |
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| 06:38.20 | SeicherlBoB | dont know. Yesterday at night it worked... now it's crashed. |
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| 06:38.35 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: within the last 6 hours i guess |
| 06:38.39 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: when did you last reboot and have it work? |
| 06:38.43 | Hail_Spacecake | how do you install an individual .deb file with aptitude? |
| 06:38.56 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: and wht did you chnage since that time? |
| 06:39.09 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: why? dpkg -i |
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| 06:39.20 | Hail_Spacecake | so I can install the package I just downloaded |
| 06:39.24 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: the last reboot was 3-4 days before. I didnt change anything but the physical location of the server |
| 06:39.27 | Hail_Spacecake | I didn't check to see if that was in a repository |
| 06:39.29 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: you want to break dependencies? |
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| 06:39.53 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: aptitiude install -f (to fix any broken installed) |
| 06:40.15 | Hail_Spacecake | eh, it's in a repository anyway, so no need |
| 06:40.19 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: uh, how so? travelling server? ;-) |
| 06:40.36 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: did you shut it down cleanly? |
| 06:40.36 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: rebuilding the cupboard it is build into |
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| 06:40.46 | enouf | i see - nice ;-) |
| 06:40.50 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: sure. It was up and running the last days again |
| 06:41.09 | Hail_Spacecake | okay, did that |
| 06:41.14 | Hail_Spacecake | should xinit xterm work now? |
| 06:41.22 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: i dunno, i guess reinstall grub - what's the disk layout like? any RAID or LVM or |
| 06:41.28 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: it must have crashed in the last hours, rebooted and hangs before grup since then |
| 06:41.36 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: startx is what i'm shooitng for |
| 06:41.41 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: 2 x Raid1 |
| 06:41.50 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: but the main system is not in the raid |
| 06:41.54 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: ok .. software mdadm raid? |
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| 06:41.57 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: only userdata |
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| 06:42.00 | enouf | oh |
| 06:42.05 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: software. right |
| 06:42.08 | enouf | so / is on it's own HDD? |
| 06:42.14 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: yep |
| 06:42.20 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: run fsck on it, but be careful |
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| 06:42.44 | Hail_Spacecake | enouf: no, still the same damn error |
| 06:42.47 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: so, boot with knoppix and fsck the / and /boot ? |
| 06:42.54 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: make sure your BIOS settings haven't changed from power outage .. so Boot order and Drives are corrrect |
| 06:43.09 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: check the BIOS 1st |
| 06:43.20 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: all harddisks are recognized. boot order seems to be ok too |
| 06:43.23 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: might need to reset it, etc |
| 06:43.30 | enouf | how can you tell? |
| 06:43.37 | enouf | you only see a blinking cursor |
| 06:43.57 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: the bios starts up correctly, all devices are found. |
| 06:43.59 | marc7 | my netinstall is taking forever to retrieve packages for install... is there anything I can do from the busybox environment to test what's causing the problem? |
| 06:44.13 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: yes, biut the Order of the disks is important |
| 06:44.47 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: the bios (AMT) only has a Harddisc setting for bootorder |
| 06:44.49 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: reinstall something, or file a bug - i give up for now ;-) |
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| 06:45.13 | Hail_Spacecake | bah |
| 06:45.16 | Hail_Spacecake | thanks for trying |
| 06:45.17 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: i said drive order, but whatever, have it your way ;-) |
| 06:45.32 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: i'm going to keep looking about for ya, so don't run away |
| 06:45.39 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: sorry. I'll cancel the memtest and check the bios |
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| 06:48.04 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: ya know? install locales, and run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 06:49.19 | Hail_Spacecake | did that, nothing changed |
| 06:51.19 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: check this; |
| 06:51.34 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: "touch /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/fonts.alias" |
| 06:51.53 | Hail_Spacecake | okay |
| 06:52.11 | enouf | I'm waiting on fucken pastebin |
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| 06:52.38 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: add to it everything exept the top line (Command ...) http://pastebin.ca/raw/1062011 |
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| 06:53.20 | Hail_Spacecake | man, why is pastebin so slow? |
| 06:53.22 | enouf | see, i can't find how that file is created, nor what populates it, but it seems important according to the wiki, and i have it here |
| 06:53.34 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: it's being DDOS? it just sometimes is |
| 06:54.05 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: damn... looks like my second main HD is broken... and if i'm lucky, that's the one having /boot on it... |
| 06:54.20 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: ahhh .. how so can you tell? |
| 06:54.36 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: hehe... i looked at the bios ;) |
| 06:54.40 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: perhpas moving it physically, jarred the cables |
| 06:54.44 | enouf | and connections |
| 06:54.55 | enouf | !pal SeicherlBoB |
| 06:54.55 | dpkg | points at SeicherlBoB and laughs hysterically |
| 06:54.58 | enouf | ;-) |
| 06:55.12 | SeicherlBoB | that's not funny mate :( |
| 06:55.27 | enouf | no, it's not, if it is really broken |
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| 06:55.58 | aldin | hi, is there some OSS app that uses postfix log file and inserts in in to database - so i could manipulate with data querying? |
| 06:56.00 | SeicherlBoB | we'll see. maybe it just didnt wont to be separated from the cupboard ;) he's homeless now, so to say |
| 06:56.02 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: could be just the CMOS settings, try resetting BIOS, etc |
| 06:56.29 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: I'll go check cables and CMOS... see you in a minute or 2 |
| 06:56.39 | enouf | but atelast check all connections and cables, especially the PATA 80wire/40Pin connections |
| 06:56.45 | enouf | ok |
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| 06:57.06 | owen1_ | i try umount but get this: umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 06:57.25 | enouf | owen1_: well, cd out of the dir/ |
| 06:57.40 | enouf | owen1_: close any open browser using it |
| 06:57.48 | Hail_Spacecake | well, X loads now |
| 06:57.54 | Hail_Spacecake | which is good |
| 06:57.55 | enouf | owen1_: as root or sudo lsof | grep cdrom |
| 06:58.01 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: it worked? |
| 06:58.46 | Hail_Spacecake | yeah, it just looks shitty |
| 06:58.52 | Hail_Spacecake | I mean, the fonts look blurry |
| 06:59.09 | owen1_ | enouf: worked |
| 06:59.17 | Hail_Spacecake | but whatever, I'll figure that out later |
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| 06:59.52 | Hail_Spacecake | wmii has some errors |
| 07:00.04 | Hail_Spacecake | and also when I just run xinit xterm the gray background is distorted a little |
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| 07:00.15 | Hail_Spacecake | like, monitor distortion |
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| 07:00.24 | Hail_Spacecake | as if you took a magnet to a crt monitor and waved it around |
| 07:00.34 | enouf | hrm, well honestly even here xterm looks like chicken scratch |
| 07:00.36 | Hail_Spacecake | which can't be good for my monitor |
| 07:00.39 | enouf | but i don't use it |
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| 07:01.09 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: others can help you with those issues, i guess |
| 07:01.15 | Hail_Spacecake | yeah |
| 07:01.16 | Hail_Spacecake | thanks a lot |
| 07:01.43 | Hail_Spacecake | I've been struggling to get X working properly on that machine for weeks |
| 07:01.45 | enouf | sure - i really want to figure out where this "fonts.alias" bit comes into play - OH Hail_Spacecake |
| 07:01.49 | Hail_Spacecake | I was about to give up and switch distros |
| 07:01.52 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: one sec |
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| 07:02.09 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: i also have; |
| 07:02.10 | enouf | usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/fonts.alias |
| 07:02.13 | enouf | /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/fonts.alias |
| 07:02.25 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: i'll pastebin those contents too |
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| 07:02.46 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: woop woop... bios startup found the lost son! |
| 07:02.48 | Hail_Spacecake | okay, thanks |
| 07:03.02 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1062014 and http://pastebin.ca/raw/1062015 |
| 07:03.12 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: let's see if grub finds it too. |
| 07:03.26 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: check out this man page /usr/share/man/man8/update-fonts-alias.8.gz |
| 07:03.35 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: way cool |
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| 07:06.47 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: hm... restarting again... no grub. I mean it used to take quite long in the past... but not that long. |
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| 07:07.14 | SeicherlBoB | gets himself another coffee |
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| 07:07.33 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: hrm, any change at all though? |
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| 07:09.25 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: no. only change is, that the bios found the hd. but no grub. |
| 07:09.52 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: shall i fsck now? |
| 07:11.09 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: i suppose so - but maybe just reinstall grub |
| 07:11.13 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: ah... too stupid. i should check the order. maybe that's broken after the recognition of the hd |
| 07:11.42 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: again, if the BIOS glitched and that caused the drive order to change, it still just might be mapped bad' |
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| 07:11.49 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 07:12.22 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: you 'could' work around that, if you could get to the grub menu .. but |
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| 07:13.24 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: if i only knew which drive the mbr carries |
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| 07:14.04 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: i would presume the fonts.alias thing is tied to whatever locale one uses, hence the .alias would be locale specific, so .,.. |
| 07:14.21 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: hehe .. right |
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| 07:14.38 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: not too many choices though eh? |
| 07:14.54 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: it's 50:50 ;) |
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| 07:15.08 | SeicherlBoB | STRIKE |
| 07:15.08 | enouf | it shouldn't be on one of the RAIDed drives, but it could be .. so 1:4 :-P |
| 07:15.36 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: reinstalling grub to correct drive should fix that, if that;s the issue |
| 07:16.10 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: nope. first i only had 2 disks with partially sw raid. so it's one of them. and of course it was third master drive ;) (1 and 2 are SATA) |
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| 07:16.26 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: oh he looks so sweet when booting up correctly |
| 07:17.13 | enouf | Hail_Spacecake: and that man update-fonts-alias talks about what i mentioned earlier (.postinst files) though in there, it's not designated as such |
| 07:17.25 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: haha |
| 07:17.31 | enouf | !win SeicherlBoB |
| 07:17.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, SeicherlBoB! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
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| 07:17.42 | SeicherlBoB | yeah! yippie |
| 07:17.53 | enouf | \o/ |
| 07:17.58 | H2S04 | enouf: omg |
| 07:18.22 | enouf | H2S04: what? my uber-1337-debian-fu? |
| 07:18.27 | SeicherlBoB | game set match: me |
| 07:18.27 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:19.14 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: thanks a f* lot! That hint with the drives/connectors saved my day! |
| 07:19.27 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: my pleasure mate ;-) |
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| 07:20.54 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: he still says that i should e2fsck manually. should i? |
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| 07:21.04 | H2S04 | enouf: no your horrible misspelling of enough. |
| 07:21.18 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: i would think so - careful though ;-) |
| 07:21.36 | enouf | H2S04: ok hydro |
| 07:21.44 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: how would i do that "carefully"? |
| 07:22.06 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: that means, careful in what you answer 'y' to |
| 07:22.23 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: smart money does touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 07:22.24 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: hehe. ok. "that" careful ;) |
| 07:22.33 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: it should be fine, if it only needs to replay the journal |
| 07:23.14 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: Guerin is correct about that - i completely forgot you can boot into it now O_o |
| 07:23.47 | SeicherlBoB | hehe... so touch /forcefsck will fsck once on reboot? |
| 07:23.52 | enouf | yep |
| 07:24.04 | enouf | it might want to reboot after that once again, so ... |
| 07:24.07 | SeicherlBoB | great... just checking the syslog and then i will do so |
| 07:24.13 | enouf | do that though, yeah |
| 07:24.34 | H2S04 | enouf: do you ever sleep? |
| 07:24.50 | enouf | H2S04: not enough hydro, gotta keep on keepin on |
| 07:25.08 | SeicherlBoB | lol |
| 07:25.27 | H2S04 | I have hydro if you're down for a trade. |
| 07:25.32 | micols | when i do netboot on my debian klient it mounts root as readonly at first over nfs, can i change that to rw somehow? |
| 07:25.37 | micols | when it reads fstab its changed to rw, but thats too late, i get 100 error messages before that from readonly root |
| 07:26.05 | enouf | root_squash ? or no_root_squash? |
| 07:26.11 | H2S04 | enouf: I have 5 -6 gallons of it right next to my desk |
| 07:26.38 | micols | i got default=bzImage APPEND ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/diskless/192.168.0.2 |
| 07:26.39 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: looks like the sw raid is not running nicely. shall i first check the raid before fsck-ing ? |
| 07:26.40 | enouf | H2S04: i can tell - your imbecilic behaviour lets it be known |
| 07:26.44 | micols | no_root_squash enouf |
| 07:27.03 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: i wouldn't , get '/' in order |
| 07:27.12 | micols | enouf: /diskless/192.168.0.2 192.168.0.2(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_all_squash,no_subtree_check) |
| 07:27.40 | enouf | micols: i don't know, sorry, perhaps someone else will chime in |
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| 07:28.14 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: and the raid won't be bothered? |
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| 07:28.22 | PepperBob | hi all |
| 07:28.23 | H2S04 | enouf: what did I ever do to you but love you? |
| 07:28.30 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: depends on your /etc/fstab settings, but shouldn't be |
| 07:28.37 | PepperBob | i'm looking for a solution that triggers a command on file existence |
| 07:28.41 | enouf | H2S04: go away |
| 07:28.44 | enouf | :-) |
| 07:28.59 | H2S04 | ;-( |
| 07:29.21 | liable | !aww |
| 07:29.21 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:29.27 | PepperBob | does anyone know some existing solution for that? |
| 07:29.28 | enouf | you want if [ -x file ]; then command1... ; fi or something |
| 07:29.58 | enouf | maybe -x is wrong, look it up - man bash-builtins |
| 07:30.11 | enouf | man bash as well, i guess |
| 07:30.11 | PepperBob | enouf: yeah but the file is not always present - the routine has to look the whole time for it until it exists |
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| 07:30.27 | PepperBob | enouf: kind of "process" watching files |
| 07:30.38 | enouf | PepperBob: it should fail if it doesn't exist, so use && |
| 07:30.48 | enouf | or || |
| 07:30.53 | enouf | depends |
| 07:31.19 | PepperBob | alright - i'll have a look thanks! |
| 07:32.14 | enouf | PepperBob: with command1 && command2 # command1 needs to return and complete successfully, or command2 will never run |
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| 07:32.48 | enouf | though - in specific terms, it's said to exit without an error code, most times exit 0 == success |
| 07:33.24 | PepperBob | enouf: it must run in some kind of endless loop. i wonder if i shall put it in cron to be executed every xy minutes |
| 07:33.31 | enouf | sure |
| 07:34.31 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: hmm... raid devices: 2, working/active devices: 1 - why is that so? |
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| 07:34.47 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: well, did '/' FS repair nicely? |
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| 07:35.05 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: not yet. wanted to check the state of the raid first. |
| 07:35.12 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: if so, then now it's time to fix your RAID, however how |
| 07:35.15 | enouf | oh |
| 07:35.27 | enouf | no bueno |
| 07:35.30 | SeicherlBoB | ;) |
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| 07:35.35 | enouf | :-p |
| 07:35.44 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: so fsck root first... ok |
| 07:36.01 | enouf | i think we made that clear (or atleast i did) :-p |
| 07:36.30 | SeicherlBoB | yeah dad... :( |
| 07:36.38 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: that's one major benefit of not having / on raid |
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| 07:37.04 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: it's not on the raid. it's on the same disc, but not on the raid |
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| 07:37.08 | enouf | (otherwise, you might be in a much bigger jam) |
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| 07:37.22 | enouf | ok, well so long as the disk is ok |
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| 07:37.48 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: we'll see. just did the touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 07:37.52 | Arme[N] | is there any way to limit download rate of apt-get? |
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| 07:38.23 | Guerin | Arme[N]: best is trickle(1) |
| 07:38.48 | rvsjoen | anyone know if you can distribute a logical file system on multiple hosts using ocfs2 ? if not, do you know any other file systems that makes this possible? |
| 07:39.03 | enouf | Arme[N]: well, not that i know of internally, though i would think through a http_proxy you could easily - oh Guerin has a nice answer |
| 07:39.21 | enouf | does man trickle |
| 07:39.30 | Guerin | there is a way to do it internally, but it's undocumented |
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| 07:39.41 | Guerin | i found it once on google and haven't managed to do so since |
| 07:39.55 | enouf | yeha, no man page here |
| 07:40.01 | Guerin | !installit |
| 07:40.01 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 07:40.20 | liable | eww, man trickle sounds wrong |
| 07:40.26 | enouf | 'undocumented' always reminds me of obscure DOS fdisk stuff |
| 07:40.31 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: is there a way to get fscks report? |
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| 07:40.43 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 07:40.43 | dpkg | hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 07:40.59 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: also there should be a log in /var/log/fsck |
| 07:41.03 | liable | or how about /var/log/fsck/ ? |
| 07:41.08 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: also there should be a log in /var/log/fsck/* like checkroot |
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| 07:41.32 | enouf | liable: indeed, i see stuff about the fsck in /var/log/boot as well |
| 07:41.32 | SeicherlBoB | liable: nope. file not found |
| 07:41.46 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: it's a dir |
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| 07:42.03 | enouf | ~$ ls /var/log/fsck |
| 07:42.04 | enouf | checkfs check.log checkroot |
| 07:42.35 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: i know. nothing of the ones you meantioned |
| 07:42.54 | liable | have you done a fsck? |
| 07:42.59 | liable | new install? |
| 07:43.27 | enouf | liable: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1062046 |
| 07:43.27 | Arme[N] | Guerin: enouf nice, thanks |
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| 07:44.01 | extor | what is a good tool to grab flv and swf files off youtube? |
| 07:44.17 | liable | enouf: not as usefull as the actuall fsck log though |
| 07:44.24 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: atleast enable bootlogd though |
| 07:44.26 | liable | not really usefull at all :P |
| 07:44.27 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: ~$ dlocate /var/log/fsck |
| 07:44.27 | enouf | initscripts: /var/log/fsck |
| 07:44.48 | enouf | liable: that was just a grep - and actually the info is the same |
| 07:45.40 | enouf | liable: i guess, unless horrible things occur - thankfully, i never had that recently :-) |
| 07:45.57 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: bootlogd_enable=yes - what else? |
| 07:46.03 | enouf | exrc: youtube-dl |
| 07:46.11 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: that's it for that |
| 07:46.23 | exrc | youtube-dl? |
| 07:46.25 | SeicherlBoB | ok. should i do it again to get the outout? |
| 07:46.27 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: oh, initscripts installed? |
| 07:46.30 | liable | nicktab |
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| 07:46.41 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: no clue |
| 07:46.42 | exrc | :\ |
| 07:46.45 | enouf | !youtube-dl |
| 07:46.45 | Decepticon | Search could not be completed |
| 07:46.52 | enouf | wtf? |
| 07:46.58 | liable | exrc: was meant for extor |
| 07:47.05 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: dpkg -l initscipts |
| 07:47.14 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: install it |
| 07:47.31 | extor | nictab? |
| 07:47.32 | enouf | exrc: sorry |
| 07:47.33 | liable | init scripts must be essential sureley |
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| 07:47.46 | extor | what about other non youtube websites? that have flv or swf stuff in em |
| 07:47.48 | fl0w | as a newbie, which ftp deamon should I choose, I was thinking of PureFTPd or ProFTPd? |
| 07:47.50 | enouf | liable: i would've thought so |
| 07:47.55 | liable | ohno, required |
| 07:48.05 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: it says 'ii' |
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| 07:48.16 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: so where;s your logs? |
| 07:48.17 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: sorry, didnt use dpkg for ages |
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| 07:48.28 | factor | is libcurl dev in debian testing/unstable |
| 07:48.32 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: you need adm privs tro read them |
| 07:48.52 | enouf | gpasswd -a SeicherlBoB adm |
| 07:48.58 | liable | factor: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:49.03 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: i'm root |
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| 07:49.32 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1498 2007-08-09 20:25 check.log <-- is the 1 out of the three that is all root |
| 07:49.35 | factor | he says he gives up |
| 07:50.02 | liable | !tell factor -about search |
| 07:50.09 | liable | typo i guess on your behalf |
| 07:50.30 | factor | I dontn think a libcurl exist |
| 07:50.34 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: in /etc/fstab is the last two fields for / line set as 0 1 |
| 07:50.40 | Guerin | factor: of course it does |
| 07:50.41 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: man fstab |
| 07:50.44 | Guerin | !think |
| 07:50.44 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 07:50.45 | factor | libcurl-dev |
| 07:50.47 | factor | I mean |
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| 07:51.18 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: for which device? the raid or the root? |
| 07:51.19 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: using an obscure FS for / ? |
| 07:51.19 | Arme[N] | Guerin: man trickle rocks |
| 07:51.25 | helps | I transfered over 200GB from 1 HDD to another over nfs. What would be the best way to incremently copy what's left ? (I have most of it). Rsync's indexing / listing takes about 10 hours.. cpio is also slow because it runs over all the files... What would you recommend as the fastest way ? |
| 07:51.26 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: '/' |
| 07:51.31 | liable | dont think, get another beer. |
| 07:51.32 | factor | I see a debug and a libcurl but no dev for it |
| 07:51.37 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: / is ext2 and has 0 1 |
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| 07:51.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.58 | enouf | uh oh .. heh |
| 07:52.05 | enouf | no journal? |
| 07:52.11 | SeicherlBoB | nope... |
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| 07:52.19 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:52.22 | Guerin | fail |
| 07:52.29 | enouf | whoops! |
| 07:52.45 | SeicherlBoB | it's been a while since i set this up. and i had a lot of bad experience with ext3 last time i used it. |
| 07:52.49 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: still the /var/log/fsck dir should exist |
| 07:53.04 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: oh, you're also on Sarge? |
| 07:53.06 | Guerin | SeicherlBoB: by `a long time' do you mean a decade or so? |
| 07:53.09 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: no sir. no fsck here. |
| 07:53.13 | enouf | Guerin: strike two ;-) |
| 07:53.15 | liable | no big deal to add the journal |
| 07:53.16 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: i did mention that before |
| 07:53.20 | Guerin | because ext3 is the most mature journalling filesystem there is |
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| 07:53.30 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: i know - i'm reminding/informing the others ;-) |
| 07:53.42 | factor | is hans reiser in jail? |
| 07:53.45 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: perhaps that's why .. not sure when that dir/. was added |
| 07:53.47 | Guerin | factor: yes. |
| 07:53.51 | factor | k |
| 07:54.01 | helps | Guerin: why is he in jail ? |
| 07:54.11 | Guerin | helps: he killed his wife and hid her body |
| 07:54.23 | Guerin | helps: how've things been under that log? |
| 07:54.28 | factor | for killing his wife , or that is how the story goes. |
| 07:54.31 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: helping someone on a 2.4.x kernel (although you could be using 2.6.x) is much different than Etch and later ;-) |
| 07:54.32 | helps | wtf? really? hehe |
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| 07:54.51 | Guerin | factor: it's not `how the story goes' - he was convicted of it in a federal court by a jury of his peers. |
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| 07:54.59 | enouf | helps: might ant to crawl out from under that rock more frequently ;-) |
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| 07:55.03 | factor | ahh ok that was what I was wondering |
| 07:55.03 | Guerin | helps: google hans reiser wife |
| 07:55.07 | factor | finalized |
| 07:55.09 | helps | and he is the guy who came up with journaling fs? |
| 07:55.11 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: i know. I'm running kubuntu on my laptop and it's sometimes completely different |
| 07:55.15 | enouf | helps: no |
| 07:55.20 | Guerin | helps: he came up with reiserfs |
| 07:55.27 | HolyTuX | Guerin: the evidence was circumstantial IIRC |
| 07:55.27 | helps | enouf: hehe, wb buddy :) |
| 07:55.51 | Guerin | HolyTuX: that's why they make a jury decide whether it was enough. |
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| 07:56.03 | HolyTuX | Guerin: like there have never been wrongfully convicts. But I did not really follow the case, I just seam to remember that there was no direct proof |
| 07:56.03 | factor | looks like libcurl is part of gnutils |
| 07:56.10 | factor | makes it hard to find |
| 07:56.20 | enouf | helps: all circumstantial |
| 07:56.23 | enouf | gah |
| 07:56.33 | Guerin | HolyTuX: sure there have been. But that's no reason to presume someone is innocent just because you like his software, or something. |
| 07:56.33 | enouf | HolyTuX: you, not helps |
| 07:56.47 | Guerin | HolyTuX: anyhow, he agreed to show authorities where he hid the body |
| 07:57.16 | HolyTuX | I haven't used reiserfs for a long time |
| 07:57.17 | enouf | Guerin: wait, i heard some speculation about that he might offer that or something, has it been setup now? |
| 07:57.38 | Guerin | an offer is an offer |
| 07:57.40 | enouf | Guerin: and it was like Media bullcrap, speculation |
| 07:57.52 | Guerin | ah well, maybe so |
| 07:57.55 | cahoot | slightly OT? |
| 07:57.56 | factor | hopefully someone will take over reiserfs |
| 07:58.00 | factor | for forkit |
| 07:58.02 | enouf | only b/c it could help reduce the charges to murder 2 or somecrap |
| 07:58.15 | enouf | or manslaughter or someshit |
| 07:58.15 | H2S04 | laughs |
| 07:58.26 | helps | hehehe, she looks a bit like courtney cocks, and he's ugly http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/nina-hans.jpg |
| 07:58.29 | H2S04 | enouf: did he end up giving them the body? |
| 07:58.40 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: can you help me with that faulty raid device i still got? |
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| 07:59.10 | cahoot | helps: you find anything amusing in this at all? |
| 07:59.20 | Guerin | my point isn't about reiser, it's about the justice system, and peoples' willingness or unwillingness to accept its outcomes based on their pwn feelings for the accused |
| 07:59.28 | helps | cahoot: no, just stating my opinion. |
| 07:59.41 | cahoot | what about the heheh? |
| 07:59.48 | H2S04 | I think if he killed her let him rot :P |
| 07:59.49 | helps | hmm... |
| 08:00.00 | HolyTuX | Guerin: the justice system, like all man made systems as flawed by design, but it's just a matter of finding the system that is the least flawed |
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| 08:00.04 | factor | heh wearing his VA research t-shirt , I have one of thoes. |
| 08:00.08 | helps | enouf: what about my question for the day ? |
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| 08:00.27 | helps | cahoot: go pick on some one else\ |
| 08:00.28 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: well, sorry, but i'm afraid i might make it worse, but see the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 08:00.29 | Guerin | HolyTuX: precisely. And can you present a less-flawed system under which to try him? |
| 08:00.42 | HolyTuX | there is some discussion that juries are not the best system, especially for very technical cases where the juries simply don't understand the matter at hand |
| 08:00.47 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: and man mdadm, man mdadm.conf |
| 08:00.56 | HolyTuX | at least in my soon to be past tense country |
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| 08:00.59 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: ok. thanks a lot mate! |
| 08:01.56 | Guerin | HolyTuX: quite true, but they are the arbiters of fact for normative reasons - ie, they represent society and are the judge of what is `reasonable' |
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| 08:03.07 | factor | yeah , glad they caught him proof and all |
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| 08:03.49 | factor | although , they really should use these test cases to learn from . |
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| 08:04.10 | HolyTuX | or over nfs |
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| 08:04.12 | HolyTuX | depends |
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| 08:04.33 | factor | never lets good data go to waste |
| 08:04.35 | HolyTuX | if you use ssh, you add encryption/decryption and it gets slow on slow devices (like NSLU2) |
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| 08:05.17 | AVRS | Hello. Has anyone seen XChat highlight almost every second channel message after upgrading to 2.8.6? I am on lenny/sid. |
| 08:05.43 | factor | I use xchat dont see that here |
| 08:05.56 | factor | 2.8.4 here |
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| 08:06.24 | SeicherlBoB | so why would mdadm -Q /dev/md0 tell me, that hda2 id active sync but the second is faulty, but when i --examine the second (hdd2) it tells me, that everything is ok ?? |
| 08:06.31 | AVRS | I've upgraded some packages, including xchat 2.8.4 to 2.8.6. |
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| 08:07.04 | alleyoopster | I found a problem with 2.6.24-1-686 kernel package, when will lenny get a new kernel? |
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| 08:08.00 | SeicherlBoB | but doing --examine on /dev/hda2 tell me, that the second is faulty. examining the second tells, that it's ok. so wtf is wrong here? |
| 08:08.20 | AVRS | The alert settings are on for all PM and Highlighted messages; off for Channel message. The only thing I have changed in my settings was the real name for this server, which certainly does not appear in all those messages. |
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| 08:09.21 | alleyoopster | I guess my question is, is it worth raising a bug report or will the kernel be updated soon? thanks |
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| 08:09.37 | AVRS | XChat's changelog says "Fixed alert balloons failing if the text contained "<" characters [1827629]."; no unarchived bugs for XChat are in Debian BTS. |
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| 08:11.35 | AVRS | Also "The Alerts settings now accept wildcards, instead of partitial string match" - but I have no words to alert on with "*"? |
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| 08:15.07 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: fwiw, there's also the /etc/default/mdadm file to adjust boot up settings - also, again, man fstab - might be apropos to put all other HDDs listed as 0 2 , so those HDDs are checked after '/' is, since '/' is set to 1 |
| 08:16.14 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: but i can't say if your raid superblock took a dump, or what |
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| 08:17.00 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: thanks... i'm just re-reading the manpages... let's see if i can bring that raid up. I would just love to know why the raid is broken. |
| 08:17.34 | batcoder-7 | im consideroing going fully linux for my desktop system hmmmmm |
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| 08:17.57 | factor | has uses only linux for years now |
| 08:18.09 | batcoder-7 | i have used linux for years as wel |
| 08:18.11 | batcoder-7 | but on server |
| 08:18.12 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: should i just recreate the raid? |
| 08:18.14 | batcoder-7 | and a few times on desktop |
| 08:18.58 | batcoder-7 | i swear i suffer from procrastination like no other |
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| 08:19.51 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: i don't want to recommend anything .. as i really can't say .. i hope you have backups though ;-) |
| 08:20.07 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: well... the other raid disc ;) |
| 08:20.24 | enouf | that's not a backup |
| 08:20.30 | enouf | no smiles :-P |
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| 08:21.01 | enouf | could be a nice corrupted mirror image |
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| 08:21.59 | fireba11 | enouf: also i don't want to know how many people killed data by syncing a damaged raid the wrong direction ;-) |
| 08:22.00 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: IOW, it would appear the issue is with the array itself, and not the overlying FS on the mdX device, but i can't say |
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| 08:22.19 | enouf | fireba11: haha |
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| 08:23.02 | liable | yup, lots of people think raid is a replacement for backups |
| 08:23.44 | FiFouille | hi there, is there anyone using/maintaining apt-listbugs in here ? if so, could someone test to retrieve bug #356853, it seems that the BTS soap interface return a weird value <item><key xsi:type="xsd:gYearMonth">2007-14</key>, this value seems to be related to package version (texlive-latex-base) |
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| 08:24.43 | SeicherlBoB | i know i'm to blame... and a raid is not a real backup. anyways, how can i find the reason for the md failing to add the second disk? |
| 08:24.56 | liable | hmm, its ruby now? |
| 08:24.58 | satlan | sorry, no soap for me |
| 08:25.27 | liable | english? |
| 08:25.30 | liable | runs |
| 08:25.52 | FiFouille | liable: yup, i'm actually using version 0.0.89 |
| 08:26.59 | FiFouille | and excuse me for my poor english ;) |
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| 08:27.36 | liable | heh, my english comment was unrelated sillyness on my behalf ;) |
| 08:27.46 | factor | no longer uses tapes for backups |
| 08:27.49 | liable | FiFouille: i get "invalid data" |
| 08:27.59 | liable | err, date |
| 08:28.17 | factor | backup for me is network copy now |
| 08:28.38 | FiFouille | liable: yep, seems the ruby Soap lib tries to parse the <key gYearMonth">2007-14</key> |
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| 08:29.35 | FiFouille | it seems that the BTS returns erroneous value, like this 14th month |
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| 08:30.09 | Guerin | !test |
| 08:30.10 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 08:30.10 | FiFouille | and the only 2007-14 value you can see in the bug page is related to version, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356853 |
| 08:30.12 | augustopp | "cat <(unzip -p something.zip WEB-INF/lib/vc.jar) > vc.zip" gives a valid vc.zip zipped file , but "unzip -t <(unzip -p something.zip WEB-INF/lib/vc.jar)" does not work... any idea why? I want un unzip a file inside a zip file |
| 08:31.41 | FiFouille | augustopp: -t test archive files. This option extracts each specified file |
| 08:32.14 | FiFouille | you give its input on stdin, is this possible with unzip ? |
| 08:32.22 | augustopp | I get an error using -t that says that 'is not a valid zip file' |
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| 08:33.11 | augustopp | but I can unzip the one generated with "cat <(unzip -p something.zip WEB-INF/lib/vc.jar) > vc.zip" |
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| 08:34.18 | FiFouille | unzip -t /dev/stdin <(...) |
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| 08:34.35 | FiFouille | yep, but cat simply pipe its stdin to a file |
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| 08:34.50 | augustopp | I can't open any files |
| 08:34.51 | FiFouille | unzip does not have this behaviour with default options |
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| 08:35.03 | FiFouille | seems that the /dev/stdin hack do the trick |
| 08:35.39 | augustopp | does not work here :S |
| 08:36.01 | augustopp | same error (not a valid zip file) |
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| 08:37.59 | tarzeau | heh, that's fun: Mem[||||||||| 236/16020MB] |
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| 08:38.30 | SeicherlBoB | what's the easiest and savest way to make a complete backup of a partition to a spec. directory (on another partition of course) |
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| 08:45.42 | wathek | hello all |
| 08:45.49 | wathek | I'm using Debian Etch with samba 3.0.24 and when I try to write in a samba share it's too slow |
| 08:46.10 | SlayerXP | wathek: correct. |
| 08:46.29 | wathek | SlayerXP, correct ?! |
| 08:47.28 | liable | !vague |
| 08:47.29 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
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| 08:49.29 | michal___ | hi. does anyone know what might be causing (and how to fix) INCREDIBLY slow internet? there's obviously some sort of tcp setting that needs to be changed. only the debian box is experiencing this problem |
| 08:50.06 | wathek | alright so I've no firewall, I'm using an Intel Pentium 4 with 3.02 Ghz and 256 Mo of RAM the samba share is in an EXT3 partition and from Windows to the samba share when I try to write on it it's too slow |
| 08:50.26 | liable | michal___: is it lookups or download speed? |
| 08:50.30 | michal___ | it only seems to affect file transfers.. things like pings are not affected |
| 08:50.48 | michal___ | so it probably has to do with packet sizes |
| 08:51.12 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.33 | liable | michal___: check the mtu (ifconfig output) |
| 08:51.34 | michal___ | no problems with lookups either |
| 08:51.46 | SlayerXP | wathek: yes, samba is a relatively slow protocol |
| 08:51.47 | michal___ | MTU:1500 |
| 08:52.04 | wathek | SlayerXP, ah and there's no way to make it working faster ? |
| 08:52.06 | michal___ | should i try 1492? |
| 08:52.23 | liable | michal___: that should be fine |
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| 08:53.12 | SlayerXP | wathek: you can tune it somewhat, that's covered in the docs. |
| 08:53.28 | wathek | ah ok gonna take a look on the docs |
| 08:53.29 | wathek | ;) |
| 08:53.35 | wathek | SlayerXP, thanx guy |
| 08:53.41 | michal___ | well 1492 didn't seem to help any |
| 08:53.48 | batcoder-7 | to or not too put linux up on my main desktop hmmmm |
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| 08:54.16 | gnunixguy | batcoder-7 DO IT!! |
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| 08:54.32 | wathek | brb |
| 08:55.00 | michal___ | the worst thing is i can't even do an apt-get update or upgrade any packages |
| 08:55.33 | batcoder-7 | gnunixguy: what DE do you use ? |
| 08:55.34 | liable | michal___: sounds like you need to run a packaet sniffer on the network. |
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| 08:55.49 | michal___ | i'd like to install tcpdump but i can't :P |
| 08:56.12 | michal___ | even if i could there's no guarantee i could see what the problem was |
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| 08:56.34 | michal___ | i have a basic understanding but perhaps not enough to diagnose this problem |
| 08:56.50 | michal___ | this is just like the problem that plagued a recent ubuntu release |
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| 08:58.24 | michal___ | it starts off by going quickly.. then it just stops.. and 99% of the time times out. |
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| 08:59.02 | xinming_ | anyone here uses selinux please? |
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| 08:59.36 | Migraine | sexlinux? of course |
| 09:00.05 | xinming_ | Just wonders, how to update the kernel data, after I edited the file under /etc/selinux/refpolicy-targeted |
| 09:00.17 | xinming_ | do I have to do a reboot to make it take effect? >_< |
| 09:00.23 | Migraine | YES! |
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| 09:00.56 | xinming_ | Migraine: Isn't there other way? I just wish to test something, and I don't think reboot every time is a good idea. |
| 09:01.26 | enouf | xinming_: there are erm .. dang, i forget offhand |
| 09:02.01 | enouf | yeah, i'm thinking of selinux 0 boot params and such |
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| 09:04.39 | Dewi | could somebody technical answer a quick question: is most of the software in debian written in C? Is C++ a tiny minority or a fair big subset of it? |
| 09:05.52 | xinming_ | Dewi: Nope. |
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| 09:06.07 | KineticBug | What |
| 09:06.09 | Dewi | I don't mean the kernel |
| 09:06.10 | xinming_ | Dewi: some are written in perl, some are written in python, and some are written in C++ |
| 09:06.23 | liable | gnome is c |
| 09:06.34 | liable | well, most of it, i think qt is c++ |
| 09:06.37 | xinming_ | Dewi: KDE is written in C+ |
| 09:07.24 | themill | Dewi: increasing portions of gnome-ish stuff seem to be written in C#... |
| 09:07.33 | liable | i think a lot of the little gnu tools are c though |
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| 09:08.15 | Dewi | hmm. Doesn't sound like a lot of C++. |
| 09:08.32 | themill | Dewi: KDE + qt is freaking enormous. That's a lot of C++. |
| 09:08.45 | Dewi | because I don't see much C++ around, I sometimes make sweeping statements like "C++ seems to have more or less disappeared" and then people jump on me and tell me I'm an idiot |
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| 09:09.19 | Dewi | themill: I guess. |
| 09:09.57 | Dewi | themill: KDE is the "second option" on most distros though |
| 09:10.36 | themill | only because people believe reputations rather than actually trying things. |
| 09:11.09 | liable | just because it may not be default, doesnt mean its not a huge c++ code base |
| 09:11.13 | Dewi | doesn't have much of an opinion either way. Gnome is simply more familiar so I tend to stick with it |
| 09:11.29 | liable | i prefer kde myself |
| 09:11.35 | Dewi | but I can't live without my kdiff3 |
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| 09:12.18 | Dewi | I wonder if the keyboard libs still lose keypresses on laggy links like they did a few years ago |
| 09:12.34 | Dewi | back when I used X over a modem regularly, KDE apps were out of the question |
| 09:12.35 | themill | Dewi: As a very rough poll, apt-cache rdepends --recurse libstdc++6 |
| 09:13.29 | themill | (actually, that's probably bollox) |
| 09:13.33 | Dewi | themill: that's weird. |
| 09:13.43 | Dewi | themill: it's almost the same count as libc6, that can't be right |
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| 09:13.53 | Dewi | themill: unless... all the scripting languages are in C++ too |
| 09:14.03 | Dewi | but even then, the numbers seem way too close |
| 09:14.14 | themill | Dewi: no, it picks up gcc and then the things that depend on libgcc etc |
| 09:14.24 | Dewi | oh |
| 09:14.33 | Dewi | debian dependancies are more tangled than they should be |
| 09:14.59 | themill | there's no way of separating that unless you break g++ away from gcc, and why would you do that? |
| 09:15.08 | Dewi | like how GCC has a source-depends on dpkg |
| 09:15.12 | Dewi | that's really messed up |
| 09:15.42 | Dewi | (I tried to build a newer GCC the other day) |
| 09:16.24 | themill | it doesn't have a dependence on dpkg, it has a *versioned* build-dep on dpkg-dev. There's a big difference. |
| 09:17.00 | themill | hmmm... package of the day (jumped out from that previous listing): |
| 09:17.00 | themill | !info toilet |
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| 09:17.27 | dpkg | toilet: (display large colourful characters in text mode), section text, is optional. Version: 0.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 09:17.29 | Dewi | themill: right... |
| 09:17.37 | Dewi | themill: maybe it's dpkg-dev that has the dependancy on dpkg then |
| 09:17.41 | Dewi | sorry, other way around |
| 09:17.53 | Dewi | either way, satisfying build-deps for GCC involves breaking dpkg |
| 09:18.13 | Dewi | I guess that's where I need to learn all about chroots, is it? |
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| 09:18.29 | themill | Dewi: the important thing is that it's a versioned dependency because particular features are used in the build system. All debian packages have a build-dep on dpkg. |
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| 09:20.59 | Dewi | themill: particular features used to build GCC-new source into a package? |
| 09:21.13 | themill | Dewi: triggers, at a guess. |
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| 09:22.02 | lclimber | hello everyone, i am runnning ubuntu on my notebook wich has an intel ich8 family sound card, my problem is that can't get the sound output through hdmi, do you have any ideas? |
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| 09:22.05 | lclimber | hello everyone, i am runnning ubuntu on my notebook wich has an intel ich8 family sound card, my problem is that can't get the sound output through hdmi, do you have any ideas? |
| 09:22.07 | Dewi | themill: I guess that's unavoidable sometimes. But if I ever feel the need to use a newer GCC... build from an upstream source and ignore source packages? |
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| 09:22.36 | themill | or change the build system to not use the newer features |
| 09:22.38 | Dewi | themill: seems like it's that or put the new source into the old source package structure |
| 09:22.43 | themill | yep |
| 09:23.00 | Cyorxamp | Lo, I'm after a guide that will help me set up a generic LDAP server to host multiple address books for access by things like Evolution, Thunderbird, Outlook... etc... any ideas? |
| 09:23.19 | michal___ | i think i will just try to format and reinstall if i can find the debian cd.. i don't think i can solve this problem faster than i could reinstall.. i'm sure internet wasn't this slow after the initial install |
| 09:23.30 | Dewi | lclimber: we don't support ubuntu. *Especially* the hardware side of things which is significantly different to debian |
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| 09:29.32 | gnunixguy | lclimber: #ubuntu |
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| 09:31.56 | vy | Why does "ps -oe pcpu,args | grep [q]emu" and "top -n 1 | grep qemu" not return same CPU usage? |
| 09:32.09 | Cyorxamp | lclimber: ubuntu is a fork, and a bad one at that |
| 09:32.44 | Dewi | ubuntu-oriented holy-warring is just as off-topic |
| 09:33.07 | Cyorxamp | no war, just on topic opinion :P |
| 09:33.10 | lclimber | so, on debian, how do you set the sound output through hdmi. i also have debian installed on my system |
| 09:33.28 | martian67 | you dont likely |
| 09:34.17 | Dewi | lclimber: if the standard applets have nothing for it, pass an option to the driver via a configuration file or even a module load parameter. If such things exist. |
| 09:35.10 | Dewi | but if it falls outside the standard mixer API (which it sounds like it might) it will be very much dependent on the driver/module |
| 09:35.38 | rm_you | a bunch of stuff got marked as auto-removable recently, and i think it's because i accidentally removed whatever meta-package the gnome-desktop uses... anyone know what the name of that meta-package is? |
| 09:35.42 | wols | michal___: what happens when the problem comes again in the new install. will you reinstall every week or so? |
| 09:35.49 | cast|lir | #debian! the real reason to use debian |
| 09:35.58 | wols | rm_you: meta packages don't cause that |
| 09:36.10 | rm_you | ah, so something else weird happened?" |
| 09:36.21 | wols | rm_you: did you use aptitude and apt-get in a mix? |
| 09:36.39 | Dewi | rm_you: did you turn off the option that makes aptitude install "recommends" |
| 09:36.40 | Dewi | ? |
| 09:36.45 | rm_you | i may have run aptitude ONCE, but i dont think i actually used any of its suggestions... just cancelled it |
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| 09:36.57 | michal___ | wols: even if i had to it will be faster than solving it once. anyway. in the future i plan to keep better track of updates so that i can narrow down the fault |
| 09:37.10 | Dewi | rm_you: but apt-get doesn't have a concept of auto-removeable, does it? |
| 09:37.10 | rm_you | tho i think i did the Smart Upgrade option in the update manager once because i was curious what it did |
| 09:37.12 | liable | dont mix aptitude and apt-get |
| 09:37.26 | liable | update-manager? |
| 09:37.36 | rm_you | the graphical update manager |
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| 09:37.39 | Dewi | rm_you: what is offering to remove these things? |
| 09:37.43 | wols | rm_you: what version of debian? |
| 09:37.44 | liable | smells like ubuntu |
| 09:37.45 | rm_you | Sid |
| 09:37.59 | Dewi | rm_you: synaptic counts as being like aptitude in this case |
| 09:37.59 | et | !sid |
| 09:38.00 | dpkg | well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
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| 09:38.01 | wols | liable: debian has an "update-manager" now. blame ubuntu |
| 09:38.02 | rm_you | Dewi: apt-get |
| 09:38.13 | rm_you | yeah i realize that |
| 09:38.20 | Dewi | rm_you: how does apt-get auto-remove something? |
| 09:38.21 | liable | wols: ugh |
| 09:38.21 | Trollinator | In order to use wxPython, i had to "ln -s /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx". Is there a cleaner way of fixing it? |
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| 09:38.39 | Dewi | rm_you: apt-get only does removes you don't ask for if there is a conflict... doesn't it? |
| 09:38.40 | rm_you | but i don't think it has to do with Sid, it seems like a general sort of thing... has happened to me before in stable when i removed a meta-package |
| 09:38.55 | rm_you | Dewi: it isn't DOING it... here, sec |
| 09:39.01 | Dewi | oh, are you using a post-etch apt-get? |
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| 09:39.08 | Dewi | it does do auto-removes like aptitude |
| 09:39.10 | Dewi | apparently |
| 09:39.11 | rm_you | Sid, so yes |
| 09:39.11 | wols | considering he uses sid... |
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| 09:39.24 | wols | Dewi: if you use auto-remove actually |
| 09:39.38 | rm_you | it's not an urgent issue, i'm just curious why it started telling me i have like 50 packages to autoremove recently |
| 09:39.52 | rm_you | usually that kind of volume means i removed a meta-package i shouldn't have >_> |
| 09:40.05 | Dewi | rm_you: probably. Or you turned off "install recommends" |
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| 09:40.12 | rm_you | Dewi: where is that |
| 09:40.20 | rm_you | I certainly didn't do it on purpose... |
| 09:40.37 | rm_you | The stupid GUI thing probably did it when it tried to be "smart" >_> |
| 09:40.43 | rm_you | i knew i should have just stuck with apt-get |
| 09:40.45 | Dewi | rm_you: in aptitude options it's under "dependancy handling" in the options. I don't know if apt-get uses the same option or not |
| 09:41.01 | rm_you | I don't use aptitude, just straight apt-get |
| 09:41.16 | rm_you | it could have been because i ran aptitude ONCE tho <_< which was out of desperation |
| 09:41.30 | Dewi | you're not listening. In sid, apt-get works like aptitude did in etch |
| 09:41.42 | wols | Dewi: you are not listening: you are wrong |
| 09:41.45 | Dewi | so you need to translate what people say to you, through that filter |
| 09:41.45 | rm_you | but... apt-get doesn't have an options menu |
| 09:41.55 | rm_you | <Dewi> rm_you: in aptitude options it's under "dependancy handling" in the options |
| 09:41.59 | Dewi | rm_you: it does have options, but they tend to be in files and on command lines |
| 09:42.11 | rm_you | there is no such thing for apt-get |
| 09:42.24 | wols | Dewi: do you know the distinction between apt-get remove and apt-get autoremove ? |
| 09:42.37 | Internat | out of interest, does debian have a module/package/something that emulates solaris's /net system? |
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| 09:42.43 | Dewi | wols: there is no apt-get autoremove in etch |
| 09:42.47 | Dewi | wols: so no, of course I don't |
| 09:42.49 | Internat | where you can goto /net and see servers with nfs mounts and stuff? |
| 09:42.50 | wols | Dewi: but there is in sid |
| 09:43.02 | wols | and ONLY with autoremoev is stuff removed that way |
| 09:43.04 | Dewi | wols: is it difference to the 'auto' flag in aptitude/synaptic/etc? |
| 09:43.14 | Dewi | s/ce/t |
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| 09:44.08 | Dewi | wols: I assume rm_you is talking about autoremove then |
| 09:44.16 | rm_you | i am |
| 09:45.04 | Dewi | wols: I am not talking about commands and syntax, I'm talking about features and the way the database handles packages |
| 09:45.22 | rm_you | you are telling me i'm not listening, but I am... the things you're telling me just dont make sense if i "filter" for apt-get / aptitude etc |
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| 09:45.46 | Dewi | rm_you: what doesn't make sense? |
| 09:45.47 | rm_you | and i do understand what you mean by that, and I was "filtering" |
| 09:46.04 | wols | Dewi: apt-get when installing obeys the "auto" stuff and sets it properly |
| 09:46.22 | wols | !tell rm_you about errors |
| 09:46.28 | Dewi | I can't exactly consult the manual for the new apt-get I don't have, and tell you where the option is for "install recommends". But I have heard that it is there, and I know where the option is in aptitude |
| 09:46.41 | rm_you | hrm ok |
| 09:46.53 | Dewi | you'll just have to consult the docs... or at least check what it's set to in aptitude |
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| 09:46.58 | Dewi | because they probably control the same underlying setting |
| 09:47.04 | rm_you | well, i am looking at apt's config stuff, nothing similar jumps out |
| 09:47.19 | Dewi | (hopefully) |
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| 09:47.32 | Dewi | I turned it off the other day and got a whole bunch of autoremoves |
| 09:47.49 | rm_you | and you're positive this couldn't happen with a meta-package being removed? |
| 09:47.57 | rm_you | because i'm almost positive that was the problem last time |
| 09:47.58 | Dewi | no, that could explain it too |
| 09:48.04 | Dewi | but there's heaps of gnome metapackages |
| 09:48.09 | Dewi | with different numbers of depends |
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| 09:48.20 | Dewi | we can't really predict which one you might have had at some point |
| 09:48.22 | rm_you | ah, well, last time it *was* ubuntu, and it just has a "gnome-desktop" package |
| 09:48.25 | Dewi | however there is an aptitude log |
| 09:48.26 | moo3__ | hi |
| 09:48.32 | rm_you | i thought debian had something similar |
| 09:48.36 | Dewi | see /var/log/apt* |
| 09:48.50 | Dewi | you can always grep for mentions of gnome and see if anything unexpected has happened |
| 09:48.52 | rm_you | blank :/ |
| 09:49.07 | Dewi | rm_you: maybe I mean /var/log/dpkg* |
| 09:49.08 | enouf | dpkg.log |
| 09:49.09 | rm_you | i only ran it once and never had it actually do anything |
| 09:49.10 | rm_you | ah |
| 09:50.13 | CoolCold | hi |
| 09:50.13 | rm_you | so there is no debian meta-package similar to ubuntu's "gnome-desktop"?> |
| 09:50.20 | CoolCold | will debian install on raid10 ? |
| 09:50.33 | CoolCold | software raid of cuz |
| 09:50.36 | themill | rm_you: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 09:50.41 | enouf | rm_you: tasksel |
| 09:50.47 | enouf | or that |
| 09:51.04 | themill | rm_you: alternatively, /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 09:51.11 | rm_you | yeah, tasksel being what i used when i first installed the system (only 16 days ago) so... yeah |
| 09:52.33 | rm_you | oh, and wols, you did the !tell about errors earlier... well, heres a pastebin i've been sitting on for a while, just been to busy responding to things to paste it: http://pastebin.ca/1062111 |
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| 09:52.46 | rm_you | if anything there jumps out |
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| 09:58.51 | rm_you | wow, apt-get clean freed 2.2 GB <_< |
| 09:59.13 | rm_you | i've only had this system installed for 16 days, lol |
| 10:00.41 | rm_you | oh and thanks, themill, that was exactly what i was asking in my very first question :P |
| 10:02.03 | themill | rm_you: no worries |
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| 10:05.08 | kombi | trying to bridge virtual nic tap0 over bridge br0 with eth0, so I do: brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0; brctl addif br0 tap0; ifconfig tap0 0.0.0.0 promisc up. However, after that eth0 is offline, why might that be? |
| 10:06.26 | batcoder-7 | is lenny stable yet ? |
| 10:06.57 | enouf | nope |
| 10:07.08 | enouf | see /topic |
| 10:07.09 | Internat | !wwlr |
| 10:07.09 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 10:07.15 | batcoder-7 | when is that expected just curious ? |
| 10:07.19 | batcoder-7 | sah |
| 10:07.51 | batcoder-7 | i think i will use lenny |
| 10:08.11 | themill | dpkg: tell batcoder-7 about moving target |
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| 10:09.57 | gynterk | hello, anyone have used DVDStyler? Is it possible to create a movie DVD without "Menu"? Only one title. |
| 10:10.58 | enouf | dvdauthor? vobvopy? dvdrip? devede? |
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| 10:11.29 | gynterk | dvdauthor |
| 10:11.57 | gnunixguy | im using Sid with no issues |
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| 10:12.05 | gynterk | ok |
| 10:12.07 | gynterk | good |
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| 10:17.25 | gnunixguy | theres no CD to download Sid that i've seen though |
| 10:17.50 | gnunixguy | i used the lenny netinstall and then changed my repos after installing only the base system |
| 10:18.46 | Jemt | Yes, that's fine, as long as you perform a dist-upgrade |
| 10:19.22 | themill | notes that you probably won't get a pure sid system as that's often impossible... |
| 10:19.23 | gnunixguy | i just did an upgrade and havent had any issues... not a dist-upgrade that i know of |
| 10:19.48 | gnunixguy | themil: np with me :) |
| 10:20.03 | Jemt | That should be fine I think |
| 10:20.42 | themill | gnunixguy: you will progressively get a larger and larger number of packages "kept back" until you actually do a dist-ugprade rather than just an upgrade. |
| 10:21.22 | gnunixguy | themill: ahh, maybe i did do a dist-upgrade then, i dont remember ;( |
| 10:21.23 | gnunixguy | lol |
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| 10:22.13 | gnunixguy | i just tried a dist-upgrade and it looks like it wants to upgrade WINE to the newest version.. i held that one back on purpose... |
| 10:22.21 | jaggz- | this is the only channel in the world active at night? |
| 10:22.23 | gnunixguy | meh, no biggy, everything works so im good |
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| 10:22.43 | gnunixguy | Jaggz: now itll die because you asked that :( |
| 10:22.56 | jaggz- | is that how quantum physics works? |
| 10:23.10 | kewl022 | !nickometer kewl022 |
| 10:23.11 | dpkg | 'kewl022' is 86.000% lame, kewl022 |
| 10:23.12 | jaggz- | I think "jinx" is a negative unrealistic bias |
| 10:23.14 | gnunixguy | well, its the way things work when im working |
| 10:23.34 | jaggz- | oh, so it's a blessing so you can work, or a curse to keep your Q from being answered? |
| 10:23.34 | kewl022 | why this happen? |
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| 10:24.01 | kewl022 | i m not lame..i think ;) |
| 10:25.10 | gnunixguy | Jaggz: when someone says something about it being a slow night at work... it gets REALLY busy, really fast, and then its not a slow night at all... the opposite seems to work too though... someone says something about a lot of work and its dead all night |
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| 10:25.26 | st_iron | yo |
| 10:25.33 | gnunixguy | sup? |
| 10:25.42 | st_iron | suckin' with firebird |
| 10:25.59 | gnunixguy | sucking face with firebird... dont get burned! |
| 10:26.12 | st_iron | how can I restart firebird-classic-server on etch? |
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| 10:26.39 | jaggz- | server? |
| 10:26.46 | jaggz- | what's firebird server? |
| 10:26.58 | gnunixguy | reboot? i dun know... I dont use firebird |
| 10:27.09 | st_iron | jaggz-: a database server |
| 10:27.18 | st_iron | debian gives 2 versions |
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| 10:27.25 | st_iron | super server and classic server |
| 10:27.37 | st_iron | my boss needs classic server |
| 10:27.54 | st_iron | and it has not init script |
| 10:28.07 | st_iron | I can't restart the db but I have to do that |
| 10:28.22 | themill | Is it invoked through inetd instead? |
| 10:28.31 | st_iron | hmmm |
| 10:28.37 | st_iron | as you say |
| 10:28.51 | st_iron | root@teletal:~# lsof | grep gds_db |
| 10:28.51 | st_iron | inetd 2662 root 5u IPv4 6438 TCP *:gds_db (LISTEN) |
| 10:29.01 | themill | knows nothing about firebird but "apt-file show firebird2-classic" showed an xinetd config file... |
| 10:29.25 | st_iron | themill: what can I do then? |
| 10:29.43 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.44 | themill | st_iron: does ps show that the db process is still running? |
| 10:30.02 | jaggz- | why prefer firebird over postgresql? I was going to go with pg |
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| 10:30.55 | st_iron | ps fax show me: |
| 10:30.57 | st_iron | 3446 ? Ss 0:02 /usr/sbin/inetd 8352 ? Ss 0:37 \_ fb_inet_server |
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| 10:31.38 | jaggz- | interesting: http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com/pg_vs_fb |
| 10:32.01 | themill | st_iron: from what I read about how firebird does things, you just need to restart the client for it to pick up any new configuration. |
| 10:32.30 | st_iron | huh themill, wait a minute |
| 10:32.42 | st_iron | which client? |
| 10:33.17 | st_iron | now this firebird is running behind the apache to give dbs to the sites instead of mysql |
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| 10:33.26 | themill | st_iron: whichever client it is that is currently connected to that port. |
| 10:33.28 | st_iron | I prefer mysql but my boss is a firebird fan |
| 10:33.49 | st_iron | ah |
| 10:34.19 | st_iron | then I have to restart the apache what uses the fbserver? |
| 10:34.25 | st_iron | or fbshit... |
| 10:34.47 | themill | nfc... but if an apache child is keeping the fb server connection open, then probably.. |
| 10:35.18 | michal___ | great. seems a fresh install of debian has the same slow internet problem.. the debian kernel included in 4.0r2 must somehow be incompatible with this router |
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| 10:35.44 | st_iron | hmm |
| 10:35.49 | st_iron | thanks themill |
| 10:36.03 | themill | st_iron: no worries... I don't know that I was that much help, but hey :) |
| 10:36.03 | st_iron | perhaps I understand it |
| 10:36.08 | moo3 | exit |
| 10:36.12 | moo3 | bye =) |
| 10:36.15 | themill | !moo |
| 10:36.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 10:37.14 | michal___ | i may need to download a few alternative linux distributions next week at works to see if they all have the same problem |
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| 10:37.53 | cast|lir | michal___: everything speaks the same tcp/ip.. |
| 10:38.02 | michal___ | not true |
| 10:38.04 | cast|lir | [in theory! i know..] |
| 10:38.08 | michal___ | there are many settings and options |
| 10:38.14 | michal___ | and the defaults aren't all the same |
| 10:38.18 | themill | so set them... |
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| 10:38.39 | michal___ | yeah.. i'll just randomly try the billions of possible options |
| 10:38.50 | st_iron | huh themill, apache restart did not solve the problem |
| 10:39.07 | st_iron | I killed all child processes |
| 10:39.25 | cast|lir | michal___: so what kind of settings could cause such an event |
| 10:39.44 | michal___ | the debian installer is seriously flawed.. it doesn't even seem to time out on the apt-get update |
| 10:39.55 | michal___ | it's been sitting there for about 40 minutes |
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| 10:40.35 | michal___ | cast|lir: stuff in /proc/sys/net or other tcp settings |
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| 10:41.11 | cast|lir | like? i kinda expect everything to be able to talk to each other over tcp/ip |
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| 10:41.50 | michal___ | it isn't. most internet routers don't support certain settings.. and despite that sometimes thouse are the linux/debian defaults |
| 10:42.00 | michal___ | i remember when ecn was set to on by default in the past |
| 10:42.10 | cahoot | michal___: like this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472680 |
| 10:42.14 | michal___ | that screwed things up for MANY people |
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| 10:43.01 | michal___ | it's not a dns issue |
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| 10:44.13 | themill | michal___: if it's an mtu problem, then dns queries can still work (small packets) but other transfers can be crappy. |
| 10:44.14 | michal___ | will interrupt the install and see.. at this rate i bet it will sit there until the cpu turns to dust |
| 10:44.27 | michal___ | i tried changing MTU to 1492 |
| 10:44.31 | michal___ | didn't have any effect |
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| 10:45.17 | themill | michal___: I've seen some routers need much smaller values than that |
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| 10:45.37 | Thornton | are there any tools in default minimal install of debian which will let transfer a file through a network? be it http, ssh or anything |
| 10:45.45 | Thornton | wget isn't present |
| 10:45.55 | michal___ | themill |
| 10:46.02 | cast|lir | sits generally disappointed at the IT world if things speaking tcp/ip to other things speaking tcp/ip can't speak to each other |
| 10:46.14 | michal___ | ; any reason vista and os x wouldn't be affected by it while linux would? |
| 10:46.30 | cast|lir | Thornton: netcat? |
| 10:46.54 | themill | michal___: I've seen windoze recognise this problem in some way and back off the mtu. |
| 10:47.00 | Thornton | damn that command isn't present either :( |
| 10:47.08 | Thornton | anything else? |
| 10:47.15 | themill | Thornton: curl? GET |
| 10:47.28 | cast|lir | hmm, maybe awk i wonder |
| 10:47.33 | Thornton | nope:) |
| 10:47.46 | michal___ | mtu on my macbook is 1500 and it still works :/ |
| 10:47.47 | Thornton | it seems that awk works |
| 10:47.52 | fl0w | I use proftpd with mysql mod, does anyone here know how I can prevent any user to dir outside of top-level scope I provide? |
| 10:47.56 | Thornton | how can awk transfer files? |
| 10:48.10 | themill | michal___: nfc then |
| 10:48.21 | michal___ | there sems to be no way to interrupt the debian installer trying to scan the mirror |
| 10:48.35 | michal___ | i think i have to reinstall but this time ask it to not scan any mirrors |
| 10:48.52 | liable | you can go to vt2 and kill the process |
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| 10:49.15 | Thornton | cast|lir: how can awk transfer files? |
| 10:49.28 | liable | actually, if you kill process 0, it will restart the installer. |
| 10:49.35 | michal___ | which one? ctrl-c kills it but then it just respwans |
| 10:49.45 | liable | Thornton: you sure wget isnt there? |
| 10:49.50 | Thornton | yes |
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| 10:49.55 | cast|lir | i'm not sure yet, seems it can do networking though [http://www.gnu.org/manual/gawk/html_node/TCP_002fIP-Networking.html#TCP_002fIP-Networking] |
| 10:49.55 | michal___ | hmm.. might try killing process 0 then |
| 10:51.00 | themill | Thornton: odd... wget is in a base install from debootstrap. :( |
| 10:51.30 | Thornton | it says wget: command not found |
| 10:51.37 | liable | indeed, i have an install without "standard system" that has wget |
| 10:52.12 | liable | Thornton: how did you install? |
| 10:52.40 | themill | cast|lir: it's probably mawk not gawk by default though |
| 10:52.49 | cast|lir | aww :( |
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| 10:52.59 | Thornton | it is an linux image. but it doesn't matter. wget isn't present and wont be until I find a way to transfer at least one file:( |
| 10:53.23 | Stilgar | Thornton: can you give me a quick overview of your problem? |
| 10:53.28 | liable | its is an linux image? wtf does that mean? |
| 10:53.37 | themill | Thornton: it does matter because if there's a problem with the Debian installer, we want to know about it. |
| 10:53.52 | Thornton | Stilgar: I need to transfer a file to a Debian machine which doesn't have even wget |
| 10:54.00 | cast|lir | Thornton: i know! |
| 10:54.03 | Thornton | themill: it's not installer |
| 10:54.11 | Thornton | cast|lir: tell plz :) |
| 10:54.11 | cast|lir | Thornton: got nbd.ko? |
| 10:54.15 | foutrelis | Thornton, does it have scp? |
| 10:54.20 | Thornton | what's that? |
| 10:54.20 | cast|lir | no wait...that needs userland. nvm. |
| 10:54.37 | Thornton | cast|lir: you said something about awk |
| 10:54.53 | cast|lir | Thornton: do you have gawk or mawk? |
| 10:55.12 | Thornton | I have awk and mawk |
| 10:55.16 | Thornton | but no gawk |
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| 10:55.43 | michal___ | i set the mtu to 512.. at least it doesn't freeze now |
| 10:56.09 | cast|lir | Thornton: hmm, got perl? |
| 10:56.32 | Thornton | how do I know? |
| 10:56.37 | Thornton | perl command? |
| 10:56.51 | Thornton | it seems yes |
| 10:57.35 | cast|lir | wonder if you could write a line of perl act in place of nc host port > file |
| 10:57.51 | foutrelis | Thornton, I repeat, do you have scp? .-. |
| 10:58.06 | Thornton | foutrelis: scp command says command not found |
| 10:58.15 | foutrelis | Thornton, how about the GET command? |
| 10:58.17 | Thornton | cast|lir: how? |
| 10:58.18 | themill | foutrelis: [11:45] <Thornton> are there any tools in default minimal install of debian which will let transfer a file through a network? be it http, ssh or anything |
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| 10:58.53 | Thornton | Thornton: nope, it seems a superminimal install ) |
| 10:59.06 | themill | Thornton: no, it seems not to be an install. WTF is it? |
| 10:59.12 | foutrelis | themill, I'm sorry, I don't have a minimal install available to check myself |
| 10:59.33 | wols | Thornton: what exactly did you start with to install? |
| 10:59.34 | Thornton | I have apt-get |
| 10:59.39 | foutrelis | .. |
| 10:59.41 | foutrelis | .-. |
| 10:59.54 | Thornton | the Debian machine can't connect to internet directly but through a proxy |
| 10:59.55 | wols | then you can install stuff |
| 11:00.01 | themill | Thornton: apt-get can transfer files... you could hack up a repository |
| 11:00.03 | Thornton | how can I make apt-get use a proxy? |
| 11:00.10 | cast|lir | Thornton: #perl would know, perl scares me |
| 11:00.21 | Thornton | cast|lir: sounds too difficult ) |
| 11:00.32 | wols | Thornton: what exactly did you start with to install? |
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| 11:00.39 | cast|lir | bets #perl likes difficult |
| 11:00.47 | Thornton | wols: what? |
| 11:00.52 | liable | god only knows, and he doesnt seem willing to say |
| 11:00.58 | Thornton | wols: it was there installed, I didn't do it |
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| 11:01.17 | wols | Thornton: what exactly was installed? |
| 11:01.22 | Thornton | how do I use apt-get to transfer? |
| 11:01.32 | themill | Thornton: can you do dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 for us? |
| 11:01.40 | Thornton | wols: a super minimal Debian linux |
| 11:01.40 | Thornton | ) |
| 11:01.50 | wols | Thornton: that is imaginary. do what themill said |
| 11:01.51 | cast|lir | how many mb is it? :o |
| 11:02.05 | Thornton | cast|lir: 1GB |
| 11:02.15 | Thornton | oh no |
| 11:02.21 | Thornton | the disk is 1GB |
| 11:02.27 | Thornton | I don't how much is full) |
| 11:02.34 | wols | Thornton: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:03.42 | Thornton | ii libc6 2.2.5-11.8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 11:03.51 | themill | yikes |
| 11:03.58 | Thornton | what? |
| 11:04.27 | themill | Thornton: I've not seen libc6 2.2 for a very very long time. |
| 11:04.50 | themill | Thornton: Debian Sarge which release in 2005 had 2.3 ... |
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| 11:05.00 | Thornton | how do I make apt-get take a file from http which I will hookup on my machine |
| 11:05.06 | themill | Thornton: export http_proxy=http://your.proxy.server:port/ apt-get install foo |
| 11:05.10 | themill | erm |
| 11:05.15 | themill | Thornton: export http_proxy=http://your.proxy.server:port/ ; apt-get install foo |
| 11:05.22 | voltagex | hi, is there any way to have QT 4.3 on etch? |
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| 11:06.48 | Thornton | strange, it doesnt use th eproxy |
| 11:07.12 | themill | Thornton: In any case, you want to upgrade that thing to sarge and then etch. In fact, it would probably be easier to do a fresh install. |
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| 11:07.40 | Thornton | wow |
| 11:07.45 | Thornton | it started working ) |
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| 11:08.41 | Thornton | ok, installing wget, at last )) |
| 11:08.59 | foutrelis | Thornton, can you do a `cat /etc/debian_version` ? .-. |
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| 11:09.20 | Thornton | 3.0 |
| 11:09.31 | foutrelis | hmmm, old indeed .-. |
| 11:09.33 | Thornton | is that very old? |
| 11:09.42 | Thornton | what version is current? |
| 11:09.43 | themill | !woody |
| 11:09.43 | dpkg | it has been said that woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 11:09.54 | themill | Thornton: 2002 strike you as old? |
| 11:10.15 | Thornton | well , this version must have been chosen because of the size |
| 11:10.32 | themill | then whoever chose it needs a cluebatting |
| 11:10.45 | themill | Thornton: You have quite some work ahead of you. /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 11:10.53 | Thornton | how do I find out how many mB is busy/free on a drive? |
| 11:11.00 | foutrelis | Thornton, df -h |
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| 11:11.29 | foutrelis | It will diplsay all mounted filesystems |
| 11:11.30 | opoftheuniverse | i have a fetchmail user who has no shell /sbin/nologin can i run fetchmail for him as root by specifying the fetchmailrc file? |
| 11:11.30 | Thornton | the only thing I need is to make this Debian distro be able to read/write to a windows drive |
| 11:11.37 | Thornton | through network |
| 11:11.44 | opoftheuniverse | i need the mails to go his inbox |
| 11:12.06 | Thornton | used is 136M on the drive |
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| 11:12.16 | vorsprung | opoftheuniverse, su -s |
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| 11:14.43 | opoftheuniverse | vorsprung: thanks |
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| 11:17.45 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 11:17.56 | persi | I get E: Malformed line 11 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) when updating apt-get |
| 11:18.06 | persi | why does it happen? |
| 11:18.23 | liable | because you have a malformed line in your sources.list? |
| 11:18.25 | SlayerXP | persi: at a guess, line 11 is sources.list is malformed. |
| 11:18.26 | Thornton | what's the easiest and fastest way to transfer file between windows and linux? |
| 11:18.38 | karmatronic | persi: you should edit your sources.list then |
| 11:18.39 | Jemt | Show us line 11 :) |
| 11:18.42 | persi | yeah I thought the same :) but it seems to be ok |
| 11:18.52 | persi | can I paste it here? |
| 11:18.52 | Jemt | Paste it here (just line 11) |
| 11:19.22 | persi | deb http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/lang/CRAN/bin/linux/debian etch-cran are commented lines counted? |
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| 11:19.38 | Jemt | Yes, they are |
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| 11:19.53 | Jemt | etch-cran ? Sorry, don't know what that is |
| 11:19.55 | persi | how about blank lines? |
| 11:19.59 | liable | etch-cran ?? |
| 11:20.04 | Jemt | Everything counts |
| 11:20.05 | persi | it`s a folder, it`s ok, it worked |
| 11:20.21 | themill | persi: you still need a section after etch-cran, something like "main" |
| 11:20.23 | Internat | open vi type :11 and whatever line the flashy marker is at |
| 11:20.36 | themill | !r |
| 11:20.37 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r", or http://www.r-project.org/ |
| 11:20.53 | themill | cran is the R equiv of CPAN or CTAN etc |
| 11:22.12 | persi | ok yeah that was smth with lines ive added, but what exacly? something like main indeed? |
| 11:22.48 | themill | voltagex: not easily, you'll have to backport it. It can be backported fairly easily though. Actually... it's no longer in debian as it's been replaced by qt4.4 but you can backport that instead... /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:23.34 | persi | ok too many slashes I guess, but I still get smth messy |
| 11:24.07 | themill | persi: I take it you're following the instructions at http://cran.r-project.org/bin/linux/debian/README |
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| 11:25.13 | persi | I am, I`ve just installed R from the mirror, but at some point it stopped working, I might have added some slashes, I`m lookin into it |
| 11:25.46 | persi | now http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-security/dists/etch/updates/ should have sources folder, shouldnt it? |
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| 11:27.39 | persi | well it was unwise to change a security mirror, guess it is only debian.org that is used |
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| 11:29.14 | persi | can anyone give me default URL for security mirror? |
| 11:29.18 | persi | I cant find it |
| 11:29.19 | persi | please |
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| 11:31.28 | wols | security.debian.org |
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| 11:31.51 | persi | thankx |
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| 11:36.01 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever install KDE on debian ? |
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| 11:36.38 | cloakable | batcoder-7: often |
| 11:36.51 | cloakable | it's the only DE I use :) |
| 11:37.32 | gnunixguy | batcoder-7: currently the only DE installed on my computer |
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| 11:38.06 | batcoder-7 | o btw |
| 11:38.09 | batcoder-7 | i chnages my sources.list |
| 11:38.10 | sladi | Hi! Can I install Grub on the first sector of the boot partition instead of the MBR in the installer? |
| 11:38.12 | batcoder-7 | to lenny |
| 11:38.27 | batcoder-7 | is it aptitude --dsitr upgrade then aptitude update ? |
| 11:38.28 | batcoder-7 | or ? |
| 11:38.34 | batcoder-7 | if anyone knows off the top of their head |
| 11:39.17 | kommodore | aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 11:39.28 | batcoder-7 | ok thanks |
| 11:39.30 | batcoder-7 | also |
| 11:39.36 | batcoder-7 | i just got a nice base debian no extra |
| 11:39.48 | batcoder-7 | how can i isntall kde so i dont get 320 different things ? |
| 11:40.01 | cloakable | batcoder-7: kde-core |
| 11:40.06 | batcoder-7 | like i just want a kde base KDE + stuff in kde but a bunch of othr stuff |
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| 11:40.30 | batcoder-7 | if i apt get kde-core and kdm that will grab X and stuff right ? |
| 11:40.49 | cloakable | batcoder-7: nope. You'll need to grab xorg too |
| 11:41.03 | cloakable | batcoder-7: apt-get install kde-core kdm xorg |
| 11:41.09 | cloakable | that's what I do |
| 11:41.17 | batcoder-7 | how abotu that fonts package ? |
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| 11:41.42 | batcoder-7 | do i need to grab the xorg fonts package or will it grab it ? |
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| 11:42.41 | gnunixguy | try the command and see what you get... you dont have to hit yes to start installing everything |
| 11:43.28 | wols | batcoder-7: in install xorg and you have X. end of it |
| 11:43.30 | batcoder-7 | ok brb |
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| 11:45.11 | sladi | Can I install Grub on the boot partition instead of the MBR in the installer disc please? |
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| 11:45.56 | sladi | IIRC it only asks you about the MBR but I'd like to install it to the first sector of /boot |
| 11:46.16 | sladi | according to this: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html |
| 11:46.23 | gnunixguy | why you want to install it to the boot? |
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| 11:47.45 | sladi | I have two HDDs and the booting one is using windows. When I install Debian it goes straight to Windows. The MBR of the second is modified I'd guess and since the BIOS is told to boot off the first hdd I never see Grub. ^^ |
| 11:47.57 | gynterk | to make udf image with mkisofs you use -udf flag ? |
| 11:48.04 | gnunixguy | you could always install grub manually to /boot |
| 11:48.07 | gynterk | mkisofs -V "$VOL_ID" -o "$FILE" -dvd-video "$DIR" -udf |
| 11:48.17 | wols | sladi: no reason to to install it to the proper hdd's MBR |
| 11:48.27 | wols | *not to |
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| 11:48.58 | gnunixguy | sladi: i have 3 hdds.. one has a windows install, one is for backup and one has linux on it... i can boot several flavors of linux and also ms windows through grub with no issues. |
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| 11:50.24 | sladi | well it won't find it though. The Bios looks for the first hdd. There is Windows on it and I have room for a /boot partition. The second should contain Linux. Before I switched in Bios to boot off the second hdd but I'd like to avoid that now. |
| 11:50.44 | wols | sladi: then install grub to the first hdd's MBR |
| 11:50.56 | sladi | I already installed to MBR but I guess it installs to the second hdd's MBR? |
| 11:51.15 | sladi | wols: how can I specify that? |
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| 11:51.27 | wols | man grub-install |
| 11:51.56 | sladi | can I do it off the installer cd? |
| 11:53.16 | sladi | maybe I should change /boot to have the bootable flag instead of the windows partition? I didn't try it |
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| 11:54.39 | sladi | gnunixguy: did you change the botable flag of the windows partition? |
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| 11:57.40 | sladi | thanks |
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| 11:58.39 | wols | Sertse: bootable flags are irrelevant |
| 11:58.49 | wols | and yes you can do it off the installer CD |
| 11:58.53 | enouf | gynterk: might want mkudffs |
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| 11:59.24 | gnunixguy | Sladi: i didnt touch it |
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| 11:59.35 | enouf | gynterk: udftools - tools for UDF filesystems and DVD/CD-R(W) drives |
| 11:59.42 | gnunixguy | Sladi: i can give you a copy of my menu.lst if you wish? |
| 12:00.45 | wols | gnunixguy: it's not a menu.lst probkem |
| 12:01.15 | gnunixguy | oh, nm, lost track of the convo for a sec there |
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| 12:02.01 | gnunixguy | sounds like grub isnt being installed to the MBR? |
| 12:02.09 | Nyle | HEY! |
| 12:02.19 | Nyle | Good freaking morning! |
| 12:02.24 | wols | gnunixguy: to the wrong MBR rather |
| 12:02.31 | enouf | Vietnam? |
| 12:02.34 | Nyle | Happy freaking independence day |
| 12:02.39 | Nyle | fuck vietnam |
| 12:02.42 | Nyle | good morning america |
| 12:02.50 | gnunixguy | aye, thats what happens when you change boot orders in the BIOS :) |
| 12:02.52 | enouf | Amerika |
| 12:02.56 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:03.02 | Nyle | plus my roommate is backf romindia |
| 12:03.04 | Nyle | I'm so happy |
| 12:03.05 | gnunixguy | screw you, i have to work tonight |
| 12:03.18 | Nyle | plus my debian works exactly the way i want |
| 12:03.24 | gnunixguy | no beer for me :( |
| 12:03.29 | enouf | i must be a day behind here .. hrm |
| 12:03.42 | Nyle | Igot my radeon driver from git, I got my xorg mesa, I got my compiz from git |
| 12:03.50 | Nyle | man I tell ya, nothing is sweeter than sid in the morning |
| 12:03.53 | Nyle | haha |
| 12:03.57 | Nyle | im just so happy! |
| 12:04.03 | enouf | yeah, that's what happens when you decide to set your clock ~ midnight :-P |
| 12:04.58 | liable | radeonhd? |
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| 12:05.05 | liable | or ati? |
| 12:05.41 | Nyle | radeon |
| 12:05.45 | Nyle | hd is merged |
| 12:06.00 | Nyle | radeonhd will be stopped afai understand |
| 12:06.14 | Nyle | radeon will universally provide support for ALL ati cards |
| 12:06.27 | Nyle | including and upto/beyond r500/r600 chips |
| 12:06.46 | Nyle | I hae r580 x1900xtx I use radeon and i got 3d accel using radeon |
| 12:07.00 | liable | radeon doesnt appear to be in git. its either radeonhd or ati |
| 12:07.14 | liable | ati baulked on configure for me earlier |
| 12:07.48 | enouf | Nyle: you got windows also? comparison of how 3D works on each OS? |
| 12:08.05 | Nyle | enouf, yes but I have not booted it in a long time |
| 12:08.27 | enouf | Nyle: or .. even compared to fglrx? |
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| 12:08.58 | Nyle | http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon |
| 12:09.54 | Nyle | fgrlx sucks |
| 12:09.56 | Nyle | obviously |
| 12:10.10 | Nyle | liable, radeon or radeonhd? |
| 12:10.20 | Nyle | liable, radeonhd from git won't compile today/last night |
| 12:10.26 | Nyle | manpage problem bullshit |
| 12:10.38 | Nyle | grrr. |
| 12:10.57 | liable | Nyle: radeonhd or ati wont compile, whats the git path for radeon? |
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| 12:12.46 | Nyle | liable, /join #radeon |
| 12:12.53 | liable | i thought radeon was in ati |
| 12:13.03 | Nyle | git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati |
| 12:13.06 | Nyle | yes it is |
| 12:13.11 | Nyle | just join the channel |
| 12:13.15 | Nyle | and #radoenhd too |
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| 12:13.52 | pingouin | sorry, i know this is a stupid question, but is there a command line tool, to control the....beep sound of the pcspeaker ? |
| 12:13.57 | liable | i'll try tomorrow. not in the mood anymore |
| 12:14.00 | pingouin | level, time, etc.. ? |
| 12:14.12 | gnunixguy | pingouin: alsa-mixer |
| 12:14.31 | liable | there is actually |
| 12:14.34 | rvsjoen | setterm |
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| 12:14.47 | Nyle | ok |
| 12:15.00 | Nyle | liable, which video card do you have? |
| 12:15.17 | gnunixguy | wc'ed 8800GTS640 FTW! |
| 12:15.17 | Nyle | pokes liable |
| 12:15.19 | liable | firegl 5200 something |
| 12:15.22 | Nyle | ahh |
| 12:16.03 | liable | i got meas and dri done, but aiglx is baulking at server start |
| 12:16.23 | liable | and i cant be fucked compiling xserver |
| 12:16.30 | Nyle | heh |
| 12:16.32 | Nyle | you have to |
| 12:16.41 | Nyle | as well as mesa libs etc. |
| 12:17.11 | Nyle | i got some screen tearing |
| 12:17.25 | liable | i did that for xgl 2 years back, not much fun. if i get really bored tomorrow i may |
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| 12:17.42 | Nyle | windows not drawing fully (rarely though, I'll see a line acoss irssi text,but when i move the window it stays, but if i switch channels it goes away |
| 12:17.49 | Nyle | im just waiting for this driver to go stable |
| 12:17.51 | Nyle | fuck fglrx |
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| 12:18.02 | Nyle | fglrx almost destroyed my brand spanin' new lcd 22 inch |
| 12:18.04 | enouf | you're a dumbass |
| 12:18.08 | Nyle | fucking pixels stuck everywhere |
| 12:18.10 | Nyle | enouf, :( |
| 12:18.14 | liable | i have been using vesa on my firegl for 18 months :/ |
| 12:18.15 | Nyle | enouf, and you're a tool1 |
| 12:18.18 | Nyle | ! |
| 12:18.22 | enouf | i'm asking for comparison results |
| 12:18.26 | enouf | that's all |
| 12:18.28 | Nyle | enouf, I can't! |
| 12:18.32 | enouf | complain to ati |
| 12:18.39 | Nyle | fuck complaining |
| 12:18.44 | Nyle | im done gaming anyway |
| 12:18.50 | Nyle | intel for me int he future |
| 12:18.50 | enouf | stop whining |
| 12:18.55 | Nyle | :( |
| 12:19.02 | Nyle | you trying to get a rise out of me |
| 12:19.03 | Nyle | grampa! |
| 12:19.08 | Nyle | old man river! |
| 12:19.10 | Nyle | :) |
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| 12:19.16 | cast|lir | could people not run simulations on the gateway to the cluster -_- |
| 12:19.18 | enouf | no i wasn't .. but now i am |
| 12:19.39 | Nyle | pokes enouf in the eye |
| 12:19.43 | Nyle | oye! |
| 12:20.09 | Nyle | i should teach enough some Urdu |
| 12:20.41 | enouf | i'm just asking if the radeon 3d in your card is lacking in any way - it's ok if it is .. or isn't |
| 12:21.05 | Nyle | oh I didn't know |
| 12:21.12 | Nyle | I thought you were asking windows per. compared to linux |
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| 12:21.26 | Nyle | in windows catalyst drivers fine, no problem, but in linux they fuck mylcd |
| 12:21.35 | enouf | no, but i thought you use windows regularly - my mistake |
| 12:21.36 | Nyle | as far as performance goes, windows is definitely better in this driver |
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| 12:21.39 | Nyle | no |
| 12:21.45 | Nyle | only boot windows to play Oblivion |
| 12:21.47 | Nyle | thats it |
| 12:21.59 | Nyle | and I've not come across a mod i wanted to play again |
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| 12:22.06 | Nyle | there are some huge huge mods coming out soon |
| 12:22.13 | Nyle | so i'll be playing oblivion again shorts in a few months |
| 12:22.21 | Nyle | is eagerly awaiting Elder Scrolls V |
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| 12:22.46 | Nyle | s/shorts/shortly |
| 12:24.08 | enouf | Nyle: imagine i'm a windows weenie; "hi, i want to support FOSS and use Xorg's radeon driver with my x1900xtx card - can i expect awesome 3D performance from this driver yet?" |
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| 12:24.55 | liable | no need to pretend! |
| 12:25.01 | liable | runs |
| 12:25.05 | enouf | (he's gotta be on the shitter) |
| 12:25.36 | enouf | cuts down liable 's rafter overhangs |
| 12:25.39 | enouf | hides |
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| 12:26.26 | liable | come and trim the rest of them! |
| 12:26.28 | enouf | meh, i should've don the sheep thing O_o |
| 12:26.46 | enouf | oh, gotcha! .. you have more? wtf? |
| 12:27.33 | liable | i had to rip all the gutters off in the end. too many trees around the house. |
| 12:27.53 | enouf | heh, you're supposed to prune the tress |
| 12:27.58 | enouf | trees even |
| 12:28.05 | liable | these are fucking big gum trees |
| 12:28.11 | enouf | gumbo! |
| 12:28.26 | liable | like ~75 foot |
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| 12:29.01 | enouf | yeah... need a local kid to climb up there with a chainsaw and some nice tethers |
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| 12:29.36 | liable | seeing as they overhang the roof, i wont be giving a kid a chainsaw anytime soon. |
| 12:30.11 | enouf | hence the tethers .. well .. then you need a crane |
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| 12:30.57 | anonimus | can i scp something without the password? |
| 12:31.53 | Nyle | if you have keys setup yes |
| 12:31.58 | Nyle | passwordless ssh |
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| 12:36.05 | seriouslycgi | anyone good at xorg.conf dual head config? ive been editing it for an hour now and ive finally got it to display two screen but its cloned and no mouse on the right screen, it really making me want to puke lol |
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| 12:36.51 | ArthurArchnix | Whenever I do apt-get dist-upgrade two apps want to be installed, libccid & pcscd, but I don't have a smart card or a smart-card reader, so why would I want that installed? Can I find out what component is asking or it to be installed? Failing that, can I blacklist the two apps so that they don't show up on dist-upgrades? |
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| 12:38.50 | DawnL | hello |
| 12:39.32 | DawnL | is there a way to have to have the security upgrades automated? |
| 12:39.55 | DawnL | non-user-interactively? |
| 12:40.00 | itchi | Hi, where can i get a recenter kernel for etch? backports linux-image size is 2.6 KB. |
| 12:40.05 | MERLiiN | not sure |
| 12:40.27 | DawnL | itchi: backports is the right place |
| 12:40.39 | flami | ArthurArchnix: apt-cache redepends <package> if you want to see what packages depend on it |
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| 12:41.10 | itchi | Or how can i get a DWL-G122 working without ndiswrapper. On testing the ralink module is used, but is not yet availabe in older kernels |
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| 12:41.31 | ArthurArchnix | thanks flami... I found it in the information section of synaptic... it says libusb depends on it, but that can't be right because then libusb ought to have shown up as broken when I removed it. |
| 12:41.38 | seriouslycgi | DawnL, is click here to see upgrades, then, click to upgrade too difficult? |
| 12:41.55 | wols | !tell itchi about ralink |
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| 12:42.23 | nvz | !whoami? |
| 12:42.23 | dpkg | you're nvz you donkey! |
| 12:42.53 | themill | dpkg: tell DawnL about cron-apt |
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| 12:43.42 | itchi | wols, I moved from house, my network is down and my only access to the net is with my laptop on the wifi. Router is on ground floor and the stupid shop don't have a 100m cable box. I'm screwed :-) |
| 12:44.17 | anonimus | Nyle, it is asing me for passphrase |
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| 12:44.27 | anonimus | asking* |
| 12:44.36 | itchi | wols, In awaiting, i want to make a wifi bridge to the ground floor |
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| 12:45.33 | ArthurArchnix | anyway... even if libusb mistakenly believes it depends on this smart-card reader daemon and library, I don't want to install it. How do I tell apt to never install this package so that I can easily dist-upgrade? |
| 12:45.45 | kazol | When I try to partition the hd, the RAID settings from the previous failed installation still remained, and I could not configure any RAID devices...should I dBan the hds? |
| 12:46.02 | kazol | I tried erasing all of the partitions, but I still get the same problem. |
| 12:46.23 | ArthurArchnix | dBan is a bit excessive. Why not gparted delete partitions and msdos disklabel? |
| 12:46.46 | ArthurArchnix | Would be faster anyway. |
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| 12:46.51 | kazol | ArthurArchnix: I did delete the partitions using fdisk. |
| 12:46.51 | maligor | duh... gnome depends on swfdec-mozilla? |
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| 12:48.19 | ArthurArchnix | well... I don't know much about fdisk. But i've used both dban and a live gparted disc and the difference between them is speed. Although, with dban it's impossible screw up. With gparted live you might do it wrong, then blame gparted or me. |
| 12:49.26 | kazol | ArthurArchnix: The X server did not load when I tried gparted, and I had goto into a CLI shell. |
| 12:49.55 | kazol | s/goto/go/ |
| 12:51.22 | ArthurArchnix | ok.. try cfdisk.. I can't use it on my system because it doesn't like an overlapping partition or some such, but its worth a try. |
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| 12:51.38 | Unrecovered | hello |
| 12:52.17 | flami | ArthurArchnix: maybe you want to take a look at this : http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s07.html |
| 12:52.37 | kazol | ArthurArchnix: dBan worked...it rendered the hds as totally random, and now the partitioner does not recognize any partitions. |
| 12:52.52 | Unrecovered | sorry for stupid question, but how to open file from command promt? |
| 12:52.57 | ArthurArchnix | kazol: great. |
| 12:52.58 | kazol | Now I have to apply the same elaborate partitioning to all hds for the fifth time already. |
| 12:53.20 | kazol | Is there any way to copy the settings? |
| 12:53.39 | enouf | kazol: what? copy partition table? |
| 12:53.46 | enouf | kazol: man sfdisk |
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| 12:54.23 | themill | Unrecovered: open in way way? just look inside the file? render it as html? open a word document in openoffice? ...? |
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| 12:55.33 | ArthurArchnix | flami: I don't really see how configuring aptitude would help with my apt-get dist-upgrade problem. |
| 12:56.08 | kazol | Another thing, is it ok if I remove the the SCSI drive controller/optical drives and a floppy drive from the computer after installation? |
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| 12:56.26 | nvz | ArthurArchnix: you might want to take a few steps to your left... there's a giant wall of ignorance in front of you right now |
| 12:56.44 | nvz | you'll be able to see why aptitude is better from over there |
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| 12:57.14 | themill | ArthurArchnix: does putting the packages on hold not work? |
| 12:57.29 | ArthurArchnix | themill lemme check |
| 12:57.31 | Dantix | hi all, I'm doing px axu and seeing serveral processes with user #1001, what this mean? I talk about the #... |
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| 12:59.55 | ArthurArchnix | nvz you gotta have pretty thin skin to get offended on someone else's behalf. Especially when all I said was "I don't understand how that link is supposed to help me" not "that's a stupid link, you don't know what you're talking about". |
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| 13:00.48 | nvz | its not my problem you don't use aptitude |
| 13:01.04 | ArthurArchnix | Besides, I'm using synaptic in gnome, which does what again? I think it calls apt not aptitude, but then, it's true I'm usually behind a wall of ignorance on these matters. |
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| 13:03.33 | Dantix | hi all, I'm doing px axu and seeing serveral processes with user #1001, what this mean? I talk about the leading # |
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| 13:03.52 | nvz | is the user 1001 logged in? |
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| 13:04.06 | Dantix | nvz: no |
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| 13:04.19 | nvz | Dantix: does the user exist? |
| 13:05.19 | Dantix | nvz: do not at passwd, but I'm using virtual users stored at mysql server |
| 13:05.50 | nvz | sounds like you just answered your own question? |
| 13:06.03 | stew | Dantix: is the name of the user with uid longer than 8 chars? |
| 13:06.10 | Dantix | nvz: but the # means "virtual"? |
| 13:06.48 | Dantix | stew: yes, is their email address, so yes |
| 13:06.55 | stew | Dantix: that is why |
| 13:07.13 | stew | Dantix: ps doesn't show more than 8 character usernames, if the username is longer it shows you the uid instead |
| 13:07.16 | HolyTuX | whoohooo |
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| 13:07.37 | Dantix | stew: thanks |
| 13:07.40 | Dantix | nvz: thanks |
| 13:07.44 | HolyTuX | #leave #debian |
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| 13:08.12 | teclo- | Hello, what app can I use to watch video streams ? xine ? |
| 13:08.18 | teclo- | iceweasel, with plugins ? |
| 13:08.40 | stew | teclo-: yes, and yes, and many others |
| 13:08.50 | Dantix | stew: are there a way to see long usernames? |
| 13:09.05 | stew | Dantix: in ps aux? not that i know of |
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| 13:09.35 | Dantix | stew: ok |
| 13:09.41 | teclo- | stew: well how can I tell xine to open a "http://blah" streaM ? I see otpions to open files, but nothing to open video streams... sorry |
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| 13:12.44 | egns | is away: Bitch-X Baby! |
| 13:12.57 | stew | egns: please turn that off in here |
| 13:13.03 | ArthurArchnix | themill: putting the packages on hold worked. Oddly though, I can't get them to show up as held packages. Not in synaptic nor with dpkg --get-selections | grep hold ... probably because I've held a package that's not installed? Anyway, not a big deal. Thanks. |
| 13:13.05 | stew | teclo-: i don't know xine that well |
| 13:13.08 | egns | stew» sorry |
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| 13:13.50 | stew | ArthurArchnix: dpkg --get-selections is not affected by which pacakges are installed. how did you put the package on hold? |
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| 13:14.17 | stew | teclo-: you could use mplayer http://whatever |
| 13:14.26 | ArthurArchnix | echo libccid hold|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 13:14.30 | ArthurArchnix | stew ^^ |
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| 13:14.51 | stew | ArthurArchnix: and what does "dpkg --get-selections | grep libccid" return? |
| 13:15.16 | ArthurArchnix | nothing |
| 13:15.30 | ArthurArchnix | which is... good? |
| 13:15.56 | stew | no, it should return "libccid hold" |
| 13:16.04 | persi | Ive updated to testing release and alsa now doesnt want to save my card configuration |
| 13:16.31 | persi | and it beeps all the time! thats annoying! |
| 13:17.21 | ArthurArchnix | so I've managed to disapear a package? |
| 13:17.57 | stew | ArthurArchnix: i believe you've either mistyped something, misreported somehting, or found a bug in dpkg |
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| 13:18.07 | stew | persi: does 'alsactl store' work? |
| 13:18.28 | persi | alsactl: save_state:1497: No soundcards found... |
| 13:18.34 | ArthurArchnix | I'll copy and paste your command again... the command I used to hold was taken from a sidux page called apt cookbook. |
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| 13:18.57 | persi | but alsaconf correctly specifies it and seems to save it too... |
| 13:19.13 | gynterk | for sake, why I can't find any normal tutorial how to write video DVD if I have existing mpeg file |
| 13:19.30 | ArthurArchnix | Well, cut and paste still reveals nothing. Which would only leave lying and bug in your list of possibilities. ;) |
| 13:19.55 | persi | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 13:19.55 | stew | ArthurArchnix: the commands you gave work here |
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| 13:20.01 | stew | ArthurArchnix: what version of dpkg do you have installed? |
| 13:20.22 | ArthurArchnix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:20.28 | stew | persi: you have successfully run alsaconf? |
| 13:20.41 | persi | yes |
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| 13:21.02 | stew | persi: what does "cat /proc/asound/cards" return? |
| 13:21.04 | persi | it said amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory, then smth like have fun |
| 13:21.10 | ArthurArchnix | stew are you saying you cut and pasted my command to hold libccid, then grep'd it and it showed up? |
| 13:21.18 | persi | "cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 13:21.20 | persi | oj |
| 13:21.21 | persi | sry |
| 13:21.22 | stew | ArthurArchnix: yes |
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| 13:21.45 | persi | --- no soundcards --- |
| 13:21.51 | Jyzygzy- | i still haven't been able to start another X server |
| 13:22.12 | ArthurArchnix | hmm... very strange. But not mission critical. The packages still show up in synaptic, they're just no longer being automatically selected when I dist-upgrade |
| 13:23.14 | persi | so? got any ideas? |
| 13:23.39 | stew | ArthurArchnix: are you running dpkg --set-selections as root? |
| 13:24.03 | ArthurArchnix | stew yup. |
| 13:24.03 | stew | persi: does alsaconf actually detect a sound card? |
| 13:24.27 | persi | yes, it gives me its name that ive seen before the upgrade |
| 13:24.41 | persi | and it doesnt give me any errors besides one that I listed |
| 13:24.44 | Jyzygzy- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.44 | Jyzygzy- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.51 | Jyzygzy- | why doesn't it get read |
| 13:24.59 | Jyzygzy- | how you suppose to set the DISPLAY |
| 13:25.03 | vagothcpp__ | I need a solid opinion on debians ability with the following hardware: Intel Pentium 4 2,8Ghz with 1024MB DDRAM Memory, for hosting 30 domains, on a 100Mbit connection, using debain for that |
| 13:25.50 | stew | persi: well it appears that you do not have an alsa driver loaded which is usually done by alsaconf when it detects a card. what card did alsaconf detect? |
| 13:26.01 | persi | ESS maestro |
| 13:26.10 | stew | Jyzygzy-: for example: DISPLAY=:0 |
| 13:26.22 | Jyzygzy- | stew but it isn't read |
| 13:26.28 | Jyzygzy- | so theres no point |
| 13:26.35 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what do you mean it isn't read? |
| 13:26.43 | Jyzygzy- | the manual says so |
| 13:26.47 | Jyzygzy- | "Note that this gets set, not read." |
| 13:26.48 | stew | Jyzygzy-: which manual? |
| 13:26.51 | Jyzygzy- | startx |
| 13:27.16 | stew | Jyzygzy-: yes, this is correct, startx sets it, not reads it. all commands that start x clients read it |
| 13:27.26 | SeicherlBoB | hi! i'm trying to remove and readd a faulty raid1 mirror using mdadm --manage /dev/md0 /dev/hdd2 --remove but i get an internal error "devmode[/dev/hdd2]=0" what does that mean? |
| 13:27.40 | Jyzygzy- | god damn i just crashed my X |
| 13:27.51 | Jyzygzy- | now it wont shut down |
| 13:28.14 | Jyzygzy- | root 22369 1.0 2.2 27308 22992 tty7 DLs+ Jul01 43:12 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/r |
| 13:28.14 | stew | Jyzygzy-: the command that starts the x server sets this variable any subsequent program that wants to interact with an X server reads this variable to determine which x server to interact with |
| 13:28.21 | Jyzygzy- | whats DLs+ |
| 13:28.30 | Jyzygzy- | i thought only Z ones are impossible to kill |
| 13:28.39 | Jyzygzy- | even kill -9 won't shut that beast down |
| 13:28.48 | persi | ES1983S Maestro-3i (maestro3) it should be |
| 13:28.52 | kazol | Is 32MiB enough for /boot? |
| 13:29.09 | stew | Jyzygzy-: D is impossible to kill, it stans for "uninterruptable sleep" which usualy means it is waiting for io to complete |
| 13:29.19 | Jyzygzy- | lol so reboot time |
| 13:29.24 | Jyzygzy- | startx -- :1 did it |
| 13:29.35 | stew | Jyzygzy-: that's a different x server |
| 13:29.42 | Jyzygzy- | i wanted a different X server |
| 13:29.44 | stew | Jyzygzy-: the one you pasted above is :0 not :1 |
| 13:30.03 | stew | Jyzygzy-: i doubt that "startx -- :1" crashed :0 |
| 13:30.16 | Jyzygzy- | it did |
| 13:30.20 | stew | Jyzygzy-: how do you know that? |
| 13:30.27 | Jyzygzy- | stew cause dmesg says so |
| 13:30.33 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what does dmesg say? |
| 13:30.40 | Jyzygzy- | its full of some stack trace stuff |
| 13:30.55 | Jyzygzy- | BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 000000a0 |
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| 13:30.56 | gravity | Sounds like a DRI issue |
| 13:31.00 | gravity | ewwww |
| 13:31.00 | Jyzygzy- | yea |
| 13:31.06 | Jyzygzy- | nvidia drivers ar work probably |
| 13:31.12 | gravity | Ah |
| 13:31.15 | gravity | nmp |
| 13:31.16 | Jyzygzy- | EIP: [<f914dc0a>] _nv008714rm+0x176/0x4bc [nvidia] SS:ESP 0068:f649bb20 |
| 13:31.19 | Jyzygzy- | hahah and there we go |
| 13:31.26 | gravity | Not DRI then either |
| 13:31.29 | Jyzygzy- | nice error message btw |
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| 13:32.06 | stew | persi: does 'lsmod' lise snd-maestro3 as being loaded? |
| 13:32.11 | stew | ^lise^list |
| 13:32.18 | Jyzygzy- | yea well its reboot time again :p |
| 13:32.32 | Jyzygzy- | damn GFX things are crashing all my boxes nowdays |
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| 13:33.01 | gravity | One day we'll figure out a way to make things more fault tolerant |
| 13:33.04 | Jyzygzy- | well the desktop ones |
| 13:33.12 | persi | Module Size Used by |
| 13:33.12 | persi | snd_maestro3 21188 0 |
| 13:33.17 | gravity | Personally, I've no idea how to do that |
| 13:34.09 | stew | persi: if you run "modprobe -r snd_maestro3 ; modprobe snd_maestro3" does anything interesting show up at the end of 'dmesg'? |
| 13:34.35 | persi | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 13:34.49 | stew | persi: you'd have to run those commands as root |
| 13:34.54 | persi | ouch sorry |
| 13:35.15 | persi | nothing happens at all |
| 13:36.15 | persi | http://osdir.com/ml/redhat.sound/2002-10/msg00134.html gives the solution, but i dont have modules.conf |
| 13:36.22 | persi | I only have modules |
| 13:36.52 | Jyzygzy- | damn i have no idea how to start a WM that doesn't show up in gdm's listing |
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| 13:37.56 | persi | stew: so should I create the file? |
| 13:37.56 | stew | persi: you can do that in a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 13:38.51 | persi | doesnt have modules either |
| 13:38.55 | stew | persi: 'man modprobe.conf' which is the replacement for modules.conf, but debian uses /etc/modprobe.d instead of /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 13:39.00 | stew | persi: any file in /etc/modprobe.d will work |
| 13:39.08 | persi | ok thanks |
| 13:39.33 | persi | added to sound |
| 13:39.39 | persi | now I should restart alsaconf? |
| 13:39.53 | stew | persi: do the modprobe -r ; modprobe again |
| 13:40.03 | gravity | Jyzygzy-: Put it in to ~/.xsession |
| 13:40.14 | stew | persi: then check /proc/asound/cards again |
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| 13:40.30 | enouf | !tell Jyzygzy- -about xsession |
| 13:40.35 | Jyzygzy- | gravity you mean the executable of that wm? |
| 13:40.55 | persi | --- no soundcards --- |
| 13:41.01 | enouf | uh oh |
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| 13:41.49 | persi | modprobe -r |
| 13:41.53 | persi | ouch :) |
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| 13:42.25 | persi | nothing :( |
| 13:42.40 | persi | heres another solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-284260.html |
| 13:42.45 | persi | again any file will do? |
| 13:43.03 | gravity | Jyzygzy-: No, ~/.xsession is executed as a shell script, so just call the program |
| 13:43.37 | gravity | Jyzygzy-: You can put as many programs in there as you want, although you'll want to put them in the background with & if you intend to call more than one at a time |
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| 13:43.57 | Jyzygzy- | i did echo "tritium" > ~/.xinirc |
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| 13:44.10 | Jyzygzy- | but seems that im missing some python modules or something |
| 13:44.17 | enouf | shouldn't with a DM installed |
| 13:44.24 | aNOOBisa | hi can someone help me with a question referring to vsftpd? |
| 13:44.31 | gravity | Heh stew ^ |
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| 13:44.46 | enouf | and besides you need exec |
| 13:44.54 | gravity | enouf: You don't need exec really |
| 13:45.01 | stew | persi: yes, anytime people are talking about editing /etc/modules.conf, you'd edit a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ ; and all files in modprobe.d are treated the same regardeless of filename |
| 13:45.04 | aNOOBisa | I just want a user mapped to a certain directory |
| 13:45.04 | gravity | It just removes the subshell |
| 13:45.06 | stew | yikes |
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| 13:45.17 | stew | Jyzygzy-: how did you install tritium? |
| 13:45.20 | gravity | Anywho, breakfast |
| 13:45.29 | Jyzygzy- | stew i found a .deb |
| 13:45.31 | enouf | !bacon gravity |
| 13:45.33 | enouf | ;-) |
| 13:45.42 | stew | Jyzygzy-: where? the one on sourceforge? |
| 13:45.57 | Jyzygzy- | i think it was from some apache made dir list |
| 13:46.10 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what version? |
| 13:46.22 | stew | Jyzygzy-: you really want to be running the one from experimental |
| 13:46.25 | Jyzygzy- | 0.3.4-1 |
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| 13:46.30 | persi | so it doesnt help, ive sent u pm with error |
| 13:46.49 | enouf | !tell persi -about alsa checklist |
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| 13:47.00 | rajkosto | hello how do i make apache listen on all 3 eth interfaces ? |
| 13:47.05 | rajkosto | i am using named hosts |
| 13:47.07 | rajkosto | virtalhost |
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| 13:47.13 | persi | I`m sorry didnt get what you mean |
| 13:47.14 | stew | Jyzygzy-: i'd strongly recommend using the one from experimental. but anyway, what python module is it complaining about? |
| 13:47.25 | Jyzygzy- | "layout" |
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| 13:47.48 | stew | Jyzygzy-: does /etc/X11/layout.py exist? |
| 13:48.08 | stew | Jyzygzy-: (this is one of the things that are fixed in the version in experimental (which fixes lots of other things too)) |
| 13:48.14 | bolt_ | I added "blacklist thermal" and "blacklist fan" (without quotes) to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local but I still get fatal errors about loading them (devices not found) at boot time. how can I stop this? |
| 13:48.43 | Jyzygzy- | hmm guess ill go look for the newest version |
| 13:48.57 | aNOOBisa | rajkosto you want to do exactly what? |
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| 13:49.06 | stew | Jyzygzy-: i uplodaed 0.3.8-1 to experimental about a week ago |
| 13:49.10 | rajkosto | i have 3 ips |
| 13:49.20 | aNOOBisa | yes |
| 13:49.21 | Jyzygzy- | looks like its using git |
| 13:49.22 | stew | i should probably upload a new version to sourceforge |
| 13:49.25 | enouf | bolt_: did you run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) ? |
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| 13:49.48 | bolt_ | enouf: nope |
| 13:50.00 | bolt_ | i guess "should i?" is redundant? |
| 13:50.01 | stew | Jyzygzy-: yes, i'm using git http://tritium.vireo.org/trunk |
| 13:50.03 | aNOOBisa | rajkosto are they all noted in you hosts file |
| 13:50.11 | enouf | !tell bolt_ about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 13:50.49 | Jyzygzy- | never done a git checkout ;O |
| 13:50.49 | enouf | persi: one second |
| 13:50.50 | bolt_ | enouf: oh. thanks |
| 13:50.54 | aNOOBisa | rajkosto you should map these ips in your hosts file with a certain name that name you use for your virtual hosts |
| 13:50.56 | enouf | bolt_: make sure those modules aren't listed in /etc/modules either |
| 13:51.03 | rajkosto | i can only connect to one of them |
| 13:51.28 | enouf | persi: you got the "alsa checklist" info? found it in another window now? |
| 13:51.34 | SeicherlBoB | i have a problem with mdadm: I have a raid with 1 faulty removed mirror which i'd like to remove and add again. But i can't remove the disc from the array and if i just add it again, I have 3 mirrors (where 2 of them acutally are the same partition)... any suggestions? |
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| 13:51.51 | persi | yes |
| 13:51.56 | persi | but it doesnt help |
| 13:51.57 | enouf | ok |
| 13:51.59 | aNOOBisa | rajkosto: are the ips maped in your hosts file? |
| 13:52.01 | persi | seems to be a driver issue |
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| 13:52.02 | stew | enouf: the checklist isn't going to help here. alsaconf detects his card, loads a module for it, but after loading the module /proc/asound/cards still doens't list the card |
| 13:52.06 | enouf | persi: which step fails? |
| 13:52.44 | persi | well it seems irrelevant, cat /dev... gives no space left on device |
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| 13:53.13 | persi | http://groups.google.com/group/elive-testers/browse_thread/thread/beb3903c83c64c7a here is another link |
| 13:53.15 | enouf | stew: i was getting to that .. if step 1 fails (and no card is listed as you say), then there's another issue |
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| 13:53.25 | enouf | stew: but i guess i came late |
| 13:53.32 | anonimus | anyone here knows how to change default "directory listing" colors and font ? |
| 13:53.33 | persi | but some people got it solved |
| 13:53.42 | persi | 1st 2 solutions worked for some people |
| 13:53.54 | stew | oh jeez, he just filled / by running cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp when /dev/dsp didn't exist |
| 13:54.01 | stew | persi: what does "ls -l /dev/dsp" return? |
| 13:54.02 | enouf | anonimus: echo $LS_COLORS |
| 13:54.13 | persi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10346496 2008-07-04 17:51 /dev/dsp |
| 13:54.19 | stew | persi: rm /dev/dsp |
| 13:54.23 | anonimus | enouf, on my webpage |
| 13:54.31 | persi | done |
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| 13:54.47 | PiousMinion | Package "deluge-torrent-0.5.9.3-1" is clearly in lenny, yet no matter how many times I update/upgrade it refuses to upgrade it from 0.5.9.1-1. Ideas? |
| 13:54.47 | persi | ls: cannot access /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 13:54.50 | anonimus | so, i have mypage.com/something where something is folder with some files |
| 13:55.09 | stew | persi: that's fine. don't worry about /dev/dsp until you get your card recognized |
| 13:55.12 | anonimus | so i want change default color and font of directory list |
| 13:55.16 | SeicherlBoB | anonimus: maybe you better ask in #apache |
| 13:55.32 | anonimus | hmm k |
| 13:56.33 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: hey, have you got time for some mdadm trouble shooting ;) |
| 13:57.27 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: still? i really can't - i don't know enough offhand - i'd be deep into the docs (the ones i pointed you to) |
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| 13:58.04 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: and i don't want to mistakenly ruin your array, data .. now, which kernel is that though? |
| 13:58.10 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: the thing is, i obviously need to reconnect that device to the raid, but i can't remove it |
| 13:58.11 | enouf | and still Sarge? |
| 13:58.12 | rajkosto | 89.216.65.31 |
| 13:58.13 | rajkosto | 87.116.180.18 |
| 13:58.13 | rajkosto | 87.116.183.172 |
| 13:58.15 | rajkosto | can someone test these |
| 13:58.19 | rajkosto | they should show the same thing |
| 13:58.20 | persi | any more ideas? |
| 13:58.23 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: still sarge. |
| 13:58.31 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: uname -r |
| 13:58.40 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: 2.4.27-2 |
| 13:58.43 | persi | Hope you guys at least inform me when u give up =] |
| 13:58.48 | enouf | O_o |
| 13:58.51 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: i know that's lame |
| 13:58.57 | anddam | the system hanged, I rebooted it by hand now I'm experiencing kernel panic on boot |
| 13:59.16 | anddam | I think something got corrupted, I'm on xfs |
| 13:59.22 | themill | anonimus: you can add stylesheets to the index by messing with HEADER. Check the apache docs for mod_autoindex http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_autoindex.html |
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| 13:59.39 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: it's hard to upgrade a running system... and there is - was - still no need to do so |
| 13:59.42 | stew | persi: please show us the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/sound ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:59.46 | bolt_ | enouf: I did the dpkg-reconfigure thing and rebooted, but I still got the fatal errors... |
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| 13:59.55 | bolt_ | enouf: and they're not in /etc/modules |
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| 14:00.17 | stew | SeicherlBoB: there is a need to move from etch -> sarge. sarge is no longer supported, and has known security vulnerabilities that are not being fixed |
| 14:00.20 | persi | alias snd-card-0 snd-maestro3 |
| 14:00.20 | persi | options snd-maestro3 index=0 |
| 14:00.21 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: they are ways to force things , but i wouldn't suggest that to anyone unless i was sure, and i''m not at all sure about anything , especially with that kernel |
| 14:00.29 | persi | guess its fine without pastebin |
| 14:00.34 | gravity | enouf: Heh, if only. :-) |
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| 14:00.44 | SeicherlBoB | enouf: hehe. |
| 14:00.46 | stew | persi: so you've edited that file since you spammed me in /msg ? |
| 14:01.05 | enouf | bolt_: is powernow pkgs installed? |
| 14:01.12 | persi | *blush* well Ive ran alsaconf again |
| 14:01.27 | SeicherlBoB | stew: i know about the issues... i will have to do that now when i'm on holidays but I have to get this thing up and running for now. |
| 14:01.33 | bolt_ | enouf: nope |
| 14:02.13 | Jyzygzy- | hmm the tritium developers seem to be refusing connections to 9418 |
| 14:02.20 | stew | persi: it seemed like you found a possible solution. i suggest trying it again, but use sound.local instead of sound so your changes don't get overwritten. and if you get errors again, put them in a pastebin |
| 14:02.21 | Jyzygzy- | thats kinda needed for a git repository |
| 14:02.32 | enouf | bolt_: i guess they're called powersaved pkgs |
| 14:02.32 | stew | Jyzygzy-: I am 100% of the "tritium developers" |
| 14:02.37 | Jyzygzy- | oh |
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| 14:02.45 | gravity | chuckles |
| 14:02.47 | bolt_ | enouf: dpkg -l | grep power returns nada |
| 14:02.48 | enouf | bolt_: powernow-k8 etc are the module names |
| 14:02.51 | persi | which one you consider possible? |
| 14:02.58 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what is 9418 and why do you need it for a git checkout? |
| 14:03.03 | bolt_ | enouf: should i blacklist that as well? |
| 14:03.21 | persi | and where do I find soundlocal? |
| 14:03.22 | Jyzygzy- | stew its the port that git uses |
| 14:03.35 | stew | Jyzygzy-: git clone http://tritium.vireo.org/trunk |
| 14:03.35 | bolt_ | enouf: this is an old ibm thinkpad 380ed. i don't believe it has any powersaving features at all. and no fan or thermal sensors |
| 14:03.37 | enouf | bolt_: pastebin entire dmesg, and your /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 14:03.45 | BubbaT | I made a mistake creatinga Vbox disk. It is only 1G and need to be 1.5G. Now from google about the only wayt I can make the disk larger is to create a second larger disk and copy everything to it. What's the besty way of doing that? |
| 14:03.53 | Jyzygzy- | stew the http method is still buggy |
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| 14:04.04 | enouf | bolt_: did you install lm-sensors pkgs? |
| 14:04.22 | bolt_ | enouf: is there a console-based pastebin tool available? I don't have x yet. just installed, fixing boot errors before proceeding. |
| 14:04.28 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what bug are you hitting? |
| 14:04.32 | Jyzygzy- | especially if it flows trought proxy ;P |
| 14:04.43 | enouf | bolt_: perhaps a sensors-detect script at boot up is trying to modprobe them?? |
| 14:05.01 | bolt_ | enouf: no lm-sensors. just the pure base system |
| 14:05.14 | enouf | bolt_: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 14:05.29 | enouf | !tell bolt_ pastewithoutx |
| 14:05.33 | stew | Jyzygzy-: are you telling me that "git clone http://tritium.vireo.org/trunk" fails? |
| 14:05.34 | enouf | !tell bolt_ about pastewithoutx |
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| 14:05.38 | bolt_ | enouf: root=/dev/hda1 ro fb800x600 vga=788 |
| 14:05.50 | bolt_ | enouf: added the last part to get the resolution correctly |
| 14:06.08 | enouf | bolt_: yeah,. you can drop the fb800x600 part |
| 14:06.32 | Jyzygzy- | stew uh huh |
| 14:06.43 | persi | please? where do I find sound.local? |
| 14:06.57 | bolt_ | enouf: i suspected as much. that doesn't have anything to do with this, though, does it? |
| 14:07.16 | stew | persi: create it in /etc/modprobe.d i'm just saying that you are better off putting changes there than to edit /etc/modprobe.d/sound which (as you have seen) get overwritten |
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| 14:07.25 | stew | Jyzygzy-: do you need the source or do you really need git access? |
| 14:07.41 | enouf | bolt_: no, i was looking for something else there |
| 14:07.54 | Jyzygzy- | stew anything that gets me the newest version ;) |
| 14:08.06 | Jyzygzy- | binaries are fine too |
| 14:08.16 | stew | Jyzygzy-: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/all/tritium/download |
| 14:08.21 | AzMoo_ | Hey, I'm trying to remove mysql-server from my installation with apt-get remove mysql-server but it's telling me it's not installed. However, if I do dpkg -l mysql* it shows mysql-server-5 as 'ii'. What's going on? |
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| 14:08.36 | bolt_ | enouf: i'll try the pastewithoutx things. brb |
| 14:08.46 | bolt_ | (no windows, have to switch consoles :) |
| 14:08.50 | enouf | bolt_: ok, are you using etch or lenny? |
| 14:08.54 | bolt_ | etch |
| 14:08.57 | enouf | ok |
| 14:09.27 | enouf | !tell bolt_ -about pastebin pipe |
| 14:09.36 | enouf | bolt_: another option as well |
| 14:09.43 | Bushmills | AzMoo: mysql-server is not installed. mysql-server-5 is installed |
| 14:09.46 | bolt_ | enouf: cool |
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| 14:10.02 | AzMoo | Bushmills: yeah, but if I do apt-get remove mysql-server-5 it tells me it's not installed either. |
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| 14:10.20 | stew | AzMoo: the package name is mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 14:10.28 | AzMoo | ah crap |
| 14:10.35 | enouf | heh |
| 14:10.39 | AzMoo | that did it, cheers. |
| 14:10.39 | MrBrush | Any big fans of LYNX around? |
| 14:10.52 | zophy | is it necessary to have networkmanager running ? |
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| 14:11.22 | Jyzygzy- | haha well this certainly is something else =D |
| 14:11.25 | enouf | AzMoo: was dpkg -l truncating the full name? use COLUMNS=175 to preface |
| 14:12.02 | AzMoo | enouf: sure was. That's handy to know, thanks. |
| 14:12.05 | enouf | AzMoo: for ex "COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l mysql*" without the quotes |
| 14:12.17 | enouf | indeed |
| 14:12.19 | Bushmills | zophy: necessary for what? |
| 14:12.48 | persi | nothing helps |
| 14:12.53 | persi | *cries* |
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| 14:13.17 | bolt_ | enouf: dmesg -> http://pastebin.ca/1062260 |
| 14:13.21 | enouf | persi: buy another cheap soundcard? |
| 14:13.26 | enouf | hides |
| 14:13.35 | enouf | bolt_: ok |
| 14:13.37 | persi | thanks for advice but I`m on a laptop |
| 14:13.39 | enouf | more |
| 14:13.47 | enouf | oh dear persi :-{ |
| 14:13.53 | persi | maybe stick to microsoft windows? :P |
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| 14:14.02 | enouf | nah |
| 14:14.05 | enouf | using etch persi ? |
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| 14:14.28 | bolt_ | enouf: modules -> http://pastebin.ca/1062262 |
| 14:14.28 | persi | nah testing one |
| 14:14.36 | persi | just updated from etch |
| 14:14.39 | persi | it worked there |
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| 14:14.39 | bolt_ | enouf: blacklist -> http://pastebin.ca/1062263 |
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| 14:14.45 | enouf | persi: eww |
| 14:14.45 | bolt_ | enouf: blacklist.local -> http://pastebin.ca/1062264 |
| 14:14.51 | enouf | bolt_: nice |
| 14:14.52 | zophy | Bushmills, that is my question exactly |
| 14:14.54 | persi | and what does Note that this driver breaks in the errata kernel mean?? |
| 14:14.57 | bolt_ | i'm getting good at this :) |
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| 14:15.36 | Bushmills | zophy: no. not necessary. earth turns around without it. |
| 14:16.25 | persi | another solution: http://mlblog.osdir.com/linux.redhat.sound/2002-11/index.shtml |
| 14:16.40 | zophy | Bushmills, i see discussion in forums about networkmanager causing firefox 3 to start up in offline mode, and that is the problem i am experiencing |
| 14:16.57 | persi | "As I mentioned, if you're running the 7.x or 8.x errata kernel, the |
| 14:16.57 | persi | maestro3 driver is *broken*. You'd need an earlier kernel, or you'd |
| 14:16.57 | persi | have to pass 'gpio_pin=1' or 'gpio_pin=8' for it to work." |
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| 14:17.07 | bolt_ | enouf: the fatal errors don't seem to appear in dmesg btw |
| 14:17.08 | persi | maybe I`m passing it wrongly? |
| 14:17.19 | bolt_ | enouf: but they're there! i'm not imagining them! :D |
| 14:17.28 | JuRiJ | Hi, I use Debian Lenny (i386) and audacious stopped working after last update, it ends up with segmentation fault. Any ideas, what's wrong? |
| 14:17.56 | asg | JuRiJ: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:18.01 | persi | can you please waste a minute and guide me step by step because I`m barely alive no |
| 14:18.03 | persi | w |
| 14:18.16 | twobitsprite | debian doesn't have the quake2 engine in the repos? |
| 14:18.16 | bolt_ | JuRiJ: if you didn't really need the upgrade, just install the old one again. and report a bug to bts. |
| 14:18.16 | persi | didnt eat for few hours |
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| 14:19.00 | Bushmills | zophy: apt-cache show network-manager. read description and form your opinion about "necessary" |
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| 14:20.40 | jaunny | Hi, i have two probs, first is when i insert a sandisk card into the card reader it does not see anything, but if i unplug the card reader usb wire and replug it now it sees it |
| 14:20.49 | enouf | bolt_: but where, while you're booting? "/msg dpkg bootlogd" and if they only scroll by while booting don't worry about it so much - and have you tried adding "pci=biosirq" to your boot options? |
| 14:21.54 | persi | please? 1 last attempt? |
| 14:21.56 | jaunny | tell second is booting grub, seems that bios can chyange order of usb devices so when booting on sda2 sometimes sda2 is sde2 and no boot |
| 14:22.00 | penper__ | hello debian people. Anyone know of a good guide or article for writing complex C programs? I'm not after a style guide, but more how to structure up a C program. Thanks :) |
| 14:22.07 | bolt_ | enouf: during boot, yes. and no, they're probably nothing to worry about, i just don't like error messages :) |
| 14:22.07 | zophy | i think network-manager is too much goodness for me to handle |
| 14:22.08 | enouf | persi: why don't you rest and come back |
| 14:22.14 | bolt_ | enouf: especially the fatal ones |
| 14:22.23 | enouf | persi: i need to split and get more smokes anyways ;-) |
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| 14:22.28 | JuRiJ | bolt_ ok I try to fill bug report |
| 14:22.37 | persi | I only have internet connection in university |
| 14:23.05 | enouf | bolt_: try this as your boot line in grub; root=/dev/hda1 ro fb800x600 vga=788 pci=biosirq |
| 14:23.16 | bolt_ | enouf: will do. brb |
| 14:23.25 | zophy | RIP |
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| 14:23.48 | bolt_ | enouf: also enabled bootlogd |
| 14:24.01 | enouf | BubbaT: bingo |
| 14:24.06 | enouf | erm bolt |
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| 14:24.14 | enouf | BubbaT: sorry, nad tab |
| 14:24.17 | enouf | bad* |
| 14:24.23 | themill | !typosmite enouf |
| 14:24.24 | dpkg | makes enouf raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
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| 14:25.23 | enouf | heh - he better hurry back, i gotta go .. :-P |
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| 14:26.02 | persi | aint there no universal driver that supports basic functions? |
| 14:26.07 | rajkosto | hello i did |
| 14:26.14 | rajkosto | updaterc.d iptables remove |
| 14:26.16 | rajkosto | how do i undo this |
| 14:26.42 | liable | man updaterc.d ? |
| 14:26.46 | enouf | well, it's update-rc.d |
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| 14:27.09 | enouf | update-rc.d iptables add 2 3 4 5 if you like |
| 14:27.13 | wols | where is this "iptables" script from? |
| 14:27.16 | enouf | or something |
| 14:27.19 | liable | or defaults |
| 14:27.25 | liable | or read the man page |
| 14:27.28 | enouf | or reinstall it |
| 14:27.30 | enouf | :-P |
| 14:27.53 | wols | enouf: debian has no /etc/init.d/iptables IIRC |
| 14:28.10 | rajkosto | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/iptables: file does not exist |
| 14:28.19 | enouf | but i don't know if iptables things should also be in S or 1 or .. |
| 14:28.24 | BubbaT | enouf, were you talking to me? |
| 14:28.36 | enouf | wols: well, you were the one whome corrected me about even having a iptables pkg |
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| 14:28.48 | enouf | BubbaT: no, i mistyped, |
| 14:28.55 | enouf | apologies |
| 14:28.57 | wols | enouf: we have one. but no startup script for it at all |
| 14:29.03 | enouf | ok |
| 14:29.25 | enouf | (/me tucks that little tidbit away) |
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| 14:32.12 | magyar_ | hi, how can I see which drives are assigned to a md device? |
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| 14:32.25 | enouf | bolt: listen - i'll be back in a few - if still no go, try "update-initramfs -u" , but i think it's some {l}apic, or acpi issue, i can't pinpoint it yet |
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| 14:33.19 | royce | hi what package comes with mail? i got bash: mail: command not found :/ |
| 14:33.42 | foutrelis | royce, mailx, IIRC |
| 14:34.10 | royce | thanks man |
| 14:34.20 | foutrelis | you're welcome :) |
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| 14:38.18 | zophy | wuvs --purge |
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| 14:40.41 | MrBrush | Is it possible to copy all text inside a file you are reading inside a screen session? |
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| 14:44.52 | saab | hi, I've a new user, does he have rights for usb usage? |
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| 14:45.24 | valdyn | saab: what is "usb usage" ? |
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| 14:45.51 | saab | to be able to see and write usb sticks |
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| 14:46.41 | saab | the new user didn't have rights to use the cdrom and now I'm wondering if it is the same for usb |
| 14:47.19 | vadmeste | saab: create another new user and test if he has access or not |
| 14:48.03 | saab | is there a command to check it? |
| 14:48.05 | valdyn | saab: cdrom access linked to the cdrom group |
| 14:48.10 | valdyn | saab: cdrom access is linked to the cdrom group |
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| 14:48.31 | saab | ok and usb access is linked to what? |
| 14:48.51 | persi | does any1 still remember about my problem? can it possibly help: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-maestro3 ? |
| 14:49.31 | valdyn | saab: plugdev group i think |
| 14:49.53 | valdyn | saab: but that is not enough to mount anything |
| 14:50.12 | valdyn | saab: users cant mount anything without a proper fstab entry |
| 14:50.47 | valdyn | saab: theres automount tools that basically give a similar behaviour to what you see on windows |
| 14:50.49 | saab | adduser name plugdev? |
| 14:51.07 | valdyn | saab: and those tools require you to be member of that group iirc |
| 14:51.12 | valdyn | saab: yes |
| 14:51.14 | Nyle | happy holiday |
| 14:51.25 | Nyle | whoah its only 10:51am I thought I slept until 2 |
| 14:51.31 | assasukasse | hello everyone, in testing, why pidgin doesn't work anymore? it says i need a more recent version |
| 14:51.31 | Nyle | wow i slept a long time |
| 14:51.41 | Nyle | assasukasse, check the bts? |
| 14:51.48 | valdyn | assasukasse: icq broke the protocol |
| 14:51.52 | assasukasse | ah |
| 14:51.55 | Nyle | valdyn, known bug? |
| 14:52.03 | enouf | saab: that;s not a u3 usb thing is it? |
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| 14:52.08 | assasukasse | so have to wait till pidgin makes its way into testing again |
| 14:52.10 | valdyn | Nyle: it was on slashdot, i dont know about the debian bts |
| 14:52.16 | Nyle | assasukasse, check the bts |
| 14:52.28 | assasukasse | what is bts |
| 14:52.28 | Nyle | assasukasse, if you are not on stable, install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 14:52.34 | Nyle | !tell assasukasse -about bts |
| 14:52.41 | valdyn | i doubt theres a workaround, *maybe* you should check the pidgin homepage |
| 14:52.50 | Nyle | kopete ftw! |
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| 14:52.58 | saab | enouf, u3? I have to be able to get access to a garmin gps in windows |
| 14:53.05 | saab | which is running in vbox |
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| 14:53.16 | saab | that garmin thing has usb |
| 14:53.27 | enouf | saab: nm .. do /msg dpkg u3 |
| 14:53.45 | valdyn | !u3 |
| 14:53.45 | dpkg | i guess u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems. |
| 14:53.48 | assasukasse | ok there is a patch..i've to wait i guess |
| 14:54.01 | Nyle | !info factinfo u3 |
| 14:54.04 | Nyle | er.. |
| 14:54.08 | Nyle | !factinfo u3 |
| 14:54.09 | dpkg | u3 -- created by Nyle <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> at Sat Jun 21 13:31:15 2008 (13 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by valdyn, 23s ago. |
| 14:54.17 | Nyle | i remember that |
| 14:54.29 | magyar_ | hi ,is there a way to decode the info in mdadm UUID in human readeble form? |
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| 14:54.44 | valdyn | magyar_: theres nothing to decode there |
| 14:54.44 | enouf | dpkg: u3 is also These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and ISO9660 FS |
| 14:54.45 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
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| 14:55.11 | magyar_ | valdyn, it holds the info as two which devices comprise the md device |
| 14:55.28 | valdyn | magyar_: no |
| 14:55.55 | magyar_ | hmm, so how does mdadm knows which two devices are belong to the md device? |
| 14:56.12 | magyar_ | two physical device |
| 14:56.24 | magyar_ | valdyn, ^ |
| 14:56.31 | valdyn | magyar_: it just scans devices till it find the uuid written on one |
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| 14:56.36 | enouf | dpkg: u3 =~ s/ISO9660 FS/use a ISO FS in some part/ |
| 14:56.36 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 14:56.40 | jelly | magyar_: unique ids written in md metadata |
| 14:56.47 | minerale | what is the name of the packge that automatically creates a package from 'make install' ? |
| 14:56.56 | minerale | (a .deb package, that is) |
| 14:57.04 | magyar_ | jelly, is there a way to retrieve it? |
| 14:57.12 | valdyn | that would totally defeat the purpose of raid if a uuid would be bound to a specific device |
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| 14:57.26 | enouf | Nyle: i thought i saw themill write that one - weird .. |
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| 14:58.40 | magyar_ | ahh, so it doesnt care about the physical device , aslong it sees a linux raid partition |
| 14:58.46 | valdyn | magyar_: mdadm --query /dev/whatever |
| 14:58.47 | enouf | magyar: if you read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/md.txt it would tell you how they're assembled |
| 14:59.15 | valdyn | magyar_: what does linux raid partition have to do with any of this? |
| 14:59.34 | magyar_ | valdyn, /dev/md0: 125.38MiB raid1 2 devices, 0 spares. Use mdadm --detail for more detail |
| 14:59.53 | valdyn | magyar_: calling /dev/md0 a partition is your invention |
| 15:00.14 | enouf | minerale: debuild perhaps, but you need to read the nmg - so /msg dpkg nmg |
| 15:00.23 | magyar_ | sorry device |
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| 15:03.14 | magyar_ | anywho, valdyn I tought I understand md devices and functionality but far from it |
| 15:03.51 | magyar_ | used to be simple /etc/mdadm.conf would show you which two physical devices comprised the virtual md device |
| 15:04.06 | magyar_ | now with UUID am lost |
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| 15:04.18 | valdyn | magyar_: well, both works |
| 15:04.34 | enouf | magyar: might help to know md uuids are not /dev/disk/by-uuid ids |
| 15:04.37 | valdyn | magyar_: mdadm can assemble a raid from 2 given block devices |
| 15:04.50 | magyar_ | k, how do you tell which two physical devices comprise the md device? |
| 15:04.57 | valdyn | magyar_: BUt it can also scan any number of devices to find the md members |
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| 15:05.22 | valdyn | magyar_: i dont, its tedious, i just let it scan any /dev/sd* |
| 15:05.45 | magyar_ | can it auto rebuild if a device is found? |
| 15:05.53 | valdyn | magyar_: uh_ |
| 15:05.54 | valdyn | magyar_: uh? |
| 15:06.22 | valdyn | magyar_: yea it can |
| 15:06.23 | magyar_ | if it finds a device, can it auto rebuild? |
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| 15:06.31 | valdyn | magyar_: you are confused |
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| 15:06.48 | magyar_ | without doing mdadm add /dev/sd1 /dev/md0 |
| 15:06.54 | valdyn | magyar_: madadm can _assemble_ a raid automatically as soon as it finds enough members |
| 15:06.56 | magyar_ | yeap |
| 15:07.01 | valdyn | magyar_: rebuild is something else |
| 15:07.11 | magyar_ | sorry assemble |
| 15:07.32 | magyar_ | i never could get it to do that |
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| 15:16.47 | enouf | magyar: have you seen file:///etc/default/mdadm ? and is '/' on your raid? |
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| 15:20.50 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:20.50 | dpkg | <kingsley> OK, there are just a few things that I'd rather do before I resort to using 2.6: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook and watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease. |
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| 15:24.02 | Nyle | ummmm |
| 15:24.11 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 15:24.15 | Nyle | proctologist named hook |
| 15:24.21 | Nyle | thats gotta hurt |
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| 15:31.08 | mmlj4 | more like a strip-nauseate |
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| 15:32.21 | masus | hi all does anyone a good sip phone for debian ? |
| 15:32.52 | Nyle | ekiga? |
| 15:32.57 | Nyle | !ekiga |
| 15:32.58 | dpkg | ekiga is, like, a H323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program "netmeeting". formerly known as 'gnomemeeting' |
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| 15:35.11 | Bushmills | masus: best sip phones are probably phone adapters which you connect to your ethernet switch |
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| 15:36.23 | masus | Bushmills: you are right |
| 15:36.47 | Nyle | didn't know you meant a physical unit |
| 15:36.57 | masus | Bushmills: but need a softphone |
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| 15:37.21 | masus | Nyle: i'll try it |
| 15:37.32 | Nyle | Bushmills, sup bro |
| 15:37.44 | Nyle | Bushmills, can I have the linkage again, i need episode 3 :) |
| 15:37.45 | Bushmills | quoting marvin? |
| 15:37.52 | Nyle | marvin? |
| 15:37.56 | Nyle | starvin' marvin |
| 15:37.59 | Bushmills | "i don't know - i haven't been there" |
| 15:38.20 | Nyle | Gypsy Kings - - Flamenco Nights |
| 15:38.21 | Nyle | oh oops |
| 15:38.24 | Nyle | my bad |
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| 15:40.51 | Nyle | thanks buddy |
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| 15:41.14 | vadmeste | Question : there are a filesystem that compress data when saving it to disk ? |
| 15:41.18 | lrp | hello everyone |
| 15:41.38 | Bushmills | vadmeste: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 15:41.51 | Nyle | !fs comparison |
| 15:41.52 | dpkg | well, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 15:41.53 | lrp | i nbeed a hand installing a syxel usb moden any1 here have an idea about how to or an url when are explained steps to make modem work ? |
| 15:42.06 | Nyle | claps for lrp |
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| 15:43.45 | lrp | Nyle: what means claps ? |
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| 15:43.54 | MERLiiN | tell me |
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| 15:45.12 | lrp | MERLiiN: are you talking to me ? |
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| 15:46.26 | Nyle | lrp, you said you needed a hand ;) |
| 15:46.27 | Nyle | j/k |
| 15:46.46 | Nyle | lrp, you shouldn't connect modem devices through usb |
| 15:46.51 | lrp | Nyle: yeah brain hand to mine installing the usb modem |
| 15:46.52 | Nyle | ethernet is preferred |
| 15:46.53 | Bushmills | probably meant literally, not allegorical |
| 15:47.07 | lrp | exaclty literally |
| 15:47.35 | lrp | i have here a usb zyxel 56k usb modem and i need to get on line with that |
| 15:47.41 | Nyle | mhm |
| 15:47.44 | liable | Nyle: most hsdpa modems are usb devices (even when they are pcie cards) |
| 15:47.46 | Nyle | is this a usb only modem |
| 15:47.49 | Nyle | ohh |
| 15:47.54 | Nyle | i didn't know that |
| 15:48.00 | Nyle | my last modem was a 28.8 |
| 15:48.06 | Nyle | before that I had 2400baud |
| 15:48.08 | Nyle | so go figure |
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| 15:48.22 | ma3x | can a wireless client connect to another client without the use of a router or access point? |
| 15:48.36 | ma3x | and exchange files etc...... |
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| 15:48.48 | ma3x | just like via straight cable |
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| 15:48.52 | valdyn | !ad-hoc mode |
| 15:48.52 | lrp | them no idea about the modem ? |
| 15:48.58 | Bushmills | ma3x: yes |
| 15:48.58 | valdyn | ma3x: yes |
| 15:49.00 | Nyle | ddwrt does |
| 15:49.08 | ma3x | dd-wrt does what? |
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| 15:49.16 | Nyle | its a customm firmware for wrt54g |
| 15:49.16 | ma3x | i have dd-wrt on my router |
| 15:49.18 | Nyle | what i have |
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| 15:49.48 | lrp | Nyle: ddwrt ??? |
| 15:50.02 | ma3x | yeah but let's say you have 2 laptops, you configure them in ad-hoc mode and then do what? iwlist scanning? |
| 15:50.07 | ma3x | dd-wrt is for routers |
| 15:50.12 | ma3x | not for client to client |
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| 15:51.39 | Nyle | *fart* |
| 15:51.51 | Nyle | wow my first public flatulance |
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| 15:52.56 | ma3x | if say you have one computer with wireless usb stick with windows xp, and another (laptop) with linux, can you connect to the windows computer and use internet from there? |
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| 15:53.12 | wols | ma3x: yes |
| 15:53.19 | Bushmills | ma3x: sure. not a matter of wlan |
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| 15:53.39 | Bushmills | ma3x: setting up nat on the machine with internet is what you need |
| 15:53.41 | liable | most likely ubuntu's stupidity though |
| 15:53.46 | liable | echan |
| 15:53.53 | Nyle | jij\ |
| 15:53.55 | Nyle | huh? |
| 15:54.02 | Nyle | whats got ubuntu to do with this? |
| 15:54.07 | ma3x | how do you setup nat without router? |
| 15:54.10 | dutchfish | !tell Nyle about fart |
| 15:54.15 | Nyle | dutchfish, :) |
| 15:54.15 | wols | ma3x: ask a window channel |
| 15:54.23 | ma3x | windows you mean? |
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| 15:54.28 | Bushmills | iptables ... |
| 15:54.29 | wols | yes |
| 15:54.34 | Nyle | ##windows |
| 15:54.38 | ma3x | ok then how do you setup nat on linux? iptables? |
| 15:54.42 | wols | Bushmills: his router will be windows. there is no iptables there |
| 15:54.45 | Nyle | ma3x, I could write another riff and record on the guitar for you |
| 15:54.49 | wols | !tell ma3x about ipmasq |
| 15:54.50 | Nyle | ma3x_sucks2.mp3 |
| 15:54.51 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:55.12 | Bushmills | wols: sorry. i have a negative attention syndrom involving the word "windows" |
| 15:55.16 | ma3x | Nyle: stfu |
| 15:55.20 | Nyle | ma3x, :( |
| 15:55.34 | dutchfish | Nyle, only if in B-flat |
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| 15:55.44 | Nyle | ma3x, /me stoned |
| 15:55.45 | Nyle | btw |
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| 15:55.51 | Nyle | remember |
| 15:55.54 | Bushmills | and how would i know that there is no iptables for windows? |
| 15:55.56 | maxime | hi |
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| 15:56.17 | jelly | ma3x: ##windows |
| 15:56.23 | maxime | i recently installed a debian etch |
| 15:56.29 | ma3x | Nyle: i remember your nickname but nothing about you |
| 15:57.01 | Bushmills | maybe he needs to upgrade from windows 2.2 to windows 2.4 or later? |
| 15:57.05 | Nyle | ma3x, I wrote guitar riffs for you! |
| 15:57.11 | Nyle | ma3x, you said you liked them very much! |
| 15:57.16 | dutchfish | Bushmills, it can route (multihomed) but no iptables-alike ... |
| 15:57.16 | ma3x | Nyle: chords? |
| 15:57.23 | Nyle | ma3x, its our inside joke cuz i named the files ma3x_sucks.mp3 |
| 15:57.29 | Nyle | ma3x, and we both laughed a lot |
| 15:57.38 | Nyle | you don't remember at all? |
| 15:57.45 | Nyle | wow... and I thought I was a pothead |
| 15:57.48 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:57.48 | ma3x | ahh i know now, but i don't remember what i heard. send me the music again |
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| 15:58.07 | Nyle | ma3x, #debian-offtopic |
| 15:58.08 | Nyle | sure |
| 15:58.14 | Nyle | or #music |
| 15:58.35 | Bushmills | dutchfish: well, i just assume that what is asked related to debian, or even linux at large. i'm just not filtering for non-linux. |
| 15:58.46 | Bushmills | even when it was said. |
| 15:58.48 | ma3x | one more thing |
| 15:58.52 | dutchfish | Bushmills, np, ;) |
| 15:59.41 | ma3x | i have a printer attached via usb on my computer with windows xp. is it possible to include the printer in the network somehow and print from laptop(debian)? |
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| 16:00.35 | wols | ma3x: yes. read the samba howto |
| 16:01.07 | rvsjoen | share the printer on the xp machine and use cups to connect/configure it on your linux box |
| 16:01.14 | Bushmills | suppresses the impulse to say "install CUPS" |
| 16:01.23 | maxime | I just installed a etch, and i can't get dual screen, my screen ain't reconized (i'm using a laptop and the 2nd screen isn't reconized), xrandr don't see it. I use xrandr 1.1, and that's not an hardware problem, i did dual screen with a ubuntu live cd, thanks for helping |
| 16:01.28 | ma3x | ok i wasn't sure cause i didn't see option to share the printer or put it in the network in windows xp |
| 16:01.39 | rvsjoen | its there, somewhere |
| 16:02.12 | maxime | can't find out on the web how to do dual screen, everything i tried didn't worked |
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| 16:02.38 | fantomas_ | Hi. Is there an easy way to concat two video files? |
| 16:02.39 | wols | rvsjoen: cups doesn't work with "shares". samba does. if you want cups you need to make the printer listen on port 631 and I doubt it can do that. WIndows works as a CUPS client but not as a CUPS serevr. but again: ##windows |
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| 16:03.01 | wols | ma3x: the term for this is IPP = Internet Iprinting Protocl btw |
| 16:03.53 | enouf | fantomas_: could you be more vague? anyway ask in mplayer and vlc channels |
| 16:03.58 | ma3x | wols: you sure that will work over usb cable? |
| 16:04.20 | wols | usb cable is irrelevant. |
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| 16:04.42 | themill | Actually, the easiest way would be to use winxp "printer share" which uses smb for printer sharing afaik. Then tell the local cups to print to a remote smb:// printer. |
| 16:05.02 | fantomas_ | enouf: I have two parts of one movie, each one encoded using same codec. Just want to concat them in debian |
| 16:05.26 | valdyn | fantomas_: read the documentation of mplayer / mencoder |
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| 16:05.32 | liable | hmmm |
| 16:05.33 | enouf | fantomas_: i guess we should start guessing which codec now |
| 16:05.47 | liable | iirc, i did use cups for a windows shared printer. |
| 16:05.51 | fantomas_ | enouf: sorry |
| 16:06.01 | valdyn | fantomas_: ill just only give you the hint to use -ovc copy and -oac copy, but rtfm |
| 16:06.05 | liable | or maybe my memory really sucks |
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| 16:06.56 | fantomas_ | valdyn: ok, thanks. enouf, codec is DIV3 (according to VLC) |
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| 16:07.02 | fantomas_ | DVI3 |
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| 16:07.17 | fantomas_ | no, DIV3 :) |
| 16:08.35 | valdyn | fantomas_: thats not a codec |
| 16:08.48 | valdyn | fantomas_: maybe you misread divx3 |
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| 16:09.52 | themill | liable: nothing wrong with your memory, that's how I normally do it |
| 16:11.05 | liable | themill: ah good! i'll continue killing it with beer for a bit longer then. |
| 16:11.40 | themill | sounds like a plan... it's just gone beer o'clock, actually.... |
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| 16:11.47 | wols | vinc456: it is. it's the FOURCC for divx;) |
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| 16:11.54 | wols | valdyn: ^^ |
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| 16:14.28 | docsnuggles | Hello! Has someone got Firefox 3 to work with LPRng on Linux. I've got only the "print to file"-Option. |
| 16:14.55 | liable | lrpng? |
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| 16:15.03 | liable | is that a new lpr version? |
| 16:15.17 | docsnuggles | not really new |
| 16:15.17 | wols | liable: it's a very old one. before CUPS, but after lpr |
| 16:15.26 | wols | liable: era sarge or so I think |
| 16:15.35 | liable | tests ff3 printing to make sure |
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| 16:15.53 | liable | still works |
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| 16:16.42 | liable | thankfully, my etch box handles the printer, and i havent had to fuck with it since the upgrade |
| 16:17.16 | docsnuggles | liable: Are you using cups? |
| 16:17.24 | liable | yep |
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| 16:19.16 | simonrvn | lprNextGeneration |
| 16:20.12 | liable | lprng must be what i thought was the old lpr. thankfully never really had to use it. |
| 16:20.34 | liable | apart from testing and catting files to it. |
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| 16:22.39 | wols | liable: no |
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| 16:23.13 | liable | really? no? to which? |
| 16:23.27 | wols | < liable> lprng must be what i thought was the old lpr. |
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| 16:24.54 | liable | wols: hmm, ok. i dont really want to debate it, as my printing expertise entails an hour or whatever i need to spend setting up a printer and then promptly forgetting about it all untill it breaks. |
| 16:24.54 | littleball | i am using dedicated server of server4you.com. The dedicated server has 2GB RAM, but i can only use 650MB RAM, although the server free/top show that there are 1.4GB free RAM |
| 16:24.57 | littleball | what happen? |
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| 16:25.35 | cast | how are you trying to 'use' the ram? |
| 16:26.12 | littleball | i use java -Xms500... |
| 16:26.13 | cast | maybe whatever you're doing doesn't take up much mem |
| 16:26.17 | littleball | to allocate RAM |
| 16:26.39 | wols | liable: server4you are virtual servers for starters |
| 16:26.54 | liable | huh? |
| 16:27.06 | wols | was for littleball. same beginning letters |
| 16:27.24 | littleball | wols, sorry? |
| 16:27.44 | wols | littleball: and allocated memory is not necessarily used and committed memory |
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| 16:30.38 | littleball | wols, if i have 1.4GB free RAM, definitely, java -Xms500M will works and not say not enough ram |
| 16:31.04 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.11 | wols | !tell littleball about errors |
| 16:31.22 | wols | littleball: and what kernel version is this exactly? |
| 16:31.28 | PeterFA | When dpkg says, "see <apt-listbugs>," what does he mean? |
| 16:31.52 | wols | !apt-listbugs |
| 16:31.53 | dpkg | apt-listbugs (aptitude install apt-listbugs) is available since at least Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to prevent upgrades to any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). |
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| 16:32.20 | wols | PeterFA: it's a "link" to another factoid |
| 16:32.21 | PeterFA | wols, oh, how clever. |
| 16:33.25 | PeterFA | !pinning |
| 16:33.25 | littleball | Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 16:33.25 | littleball | Incompatible initial and maximum heap sizes specified |
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| 16:33.26 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 16:33.32 | wols | !tell PeterFA about selftell |
| 16:33.43 | PeterFA | So much to learn! |
| 16:33.53 | wols | littleball: uname -a |
| 16:33.54 | littleball | java -Xms512m |
| 16:34.16 | littleball | java version "1.5.0_09" |
| 16:34.16 | littleball | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_09-b01) |
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| 16:34.27 | littleball | Linux colossus106.startdedicated.com 2.6.18-8.1.15.el5 #1 SMP Mon Oct 22 08:32:04 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 16:34.27 | wols | !tell littleball about paste |
| 16:34.37 | PeterFA | dpkg, I love you. |
| 16:34.38 | dpkg | I love you too, peterfa. |
| 16:34.41 | PeterFA | :) |
| 16:35.05 | littleball | java -Xms512m means that to allocate 512m for jvm |
| 16:36.07 | liable | !love PeterFA |
| 16:36.07 | dpkg | makes love to PeterFA, caressing PeterFA's hair, whispering sweet nothings in PeterFA's ear... |
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| 16:38.45 | pipegeek | So, I'm trying to mount an ntfs filesystem using either ntfs or ntfs-3g, in such a way that only one user has access to its contents. |
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| 16:39.30 | pipegeek | mount -o uid=xyzzx,dmask=077,umask=177 doesn't seem to have any effect; the files are listed as having the right permissions, but other users can access them anyway. |
| 16:39.36 | wols | pipegeek: then set uid, gid and umask accordingly |
| 16:39.36 | pipegeek | any idea why? |
| 16:39.40 | pipegeek | see above |
| 16:39.49 | pipegeek | this is true for both ntfs and ntfs-3g |
| 16:39.55 | pipegeek | and the mountpoint is 700 root:root |
| 16:40.05 | wols | pipegeek: ls -l <file on the ntfs partition> |
| 16:40.12 | pipegeek | oh, btw--- s/umask/fmask/ |
| 16:40.50 | pipegeek | well, permissions on the dir where it's mounted match its contents, and they are: |
| 16:40.51 | pipegeek | drwx------ 1 ptr plugdev 8.0K 2008-06-25 22:25 /media/Windows/ |
| 16:41.00 | pipegeek | but the user 'guest' can cd in, and read and write anything |
| 16:41.13 | wols | NOT the mountpoint. a file on the disk |
| 16:41.22 | pipegeek | ok. But the permissions are identical |
| 16:41.38 | pipegeek | and, damn, I have to go |
| 16:41.41 | pipegeek | I'll be back later. |
| 16:41.43 | wols | you already told us wrong info |
| 16:41.55 | pipegeek | wols, the permissions are rwx------ ptr:plugdev |
| 16:42.02 | pipegeek | for the first file on the disk |
| 16:42.03 | wols | pipegeek: < pipegeek> and the mountpoint is 700 root:root |
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| 16:42.23 | pipegeek | The mountpoint is 700 root:root. When mounted, it becomes 700 ptr:plugdev |
| 16:42.31 | pipegeek | anyway, I have to go. brb. |
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| 16:48.59 | juniorsa | hi, we have a etch server running proftpd 1.3.0-19 for virtual hosting, we have a customer trying to upload files using username and password in filezilla but get's 550 access denied, when we try with the same creditials from our location it works fine, any suggestions, I have taken over his computer and tried myself using filezilla and windows command line ftp client same 550 access denied |
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| 16:51.27 | dutchfish | juniorsa, is it behind a proxy? |
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| 16:52.13 | juniorsa | dutchfish: possible, I would have to check, I guess that would make a difference? |
| 16:52.24 | dutchfish | juniorsa, try in pasive mode |
| 16:53.20 | juniorsa | dutchfish: thanks I will try |
| 16:53.44 | dutchfish | juniorsa, as far as i know most proxies dont coop with active mode at all |
| 16:54.01 | juniorsa | dutchfish: ok great |
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| 16:57.02 | m0 | Hello, I am wondering about how I should install applications on debian. Everything I am doing right now is through root priveleges cause a normal user cannot install applications anywhere else except his home directory |
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| 16:57.19 | m0 | But now, my LAMP setup, my BNC, my Gaming server all have priveleges as root |
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| 16:57.27 | m0 | I think that is bad, am I right? |
| 16:57.57 | Bushmills | m0: that's fine. you don't want users to be able to install files to system dirs. as they could remove files too, which is potentially bad |
| 16:58.31 | Bushmills | m0: but - files can be placed in non-system dirs. in user home dirs, for example, where they can write to. |
| 16:58.35 | m0 | What if someone hacks my webserver, and place some exploits. Those exploits will have access to root? |
| 16:58.58 | Bushmills | (though debian packages want to go into system dirs) |
| 16:59.19 | Bushmills | m0: if your server has been hacked, your f*cked anyway |
| 16:59.26 | m0 | It is kinda annoying, cause I disabled root from ssh, and everytime I need to edit a file I have to do su root, then enter pass, alter configuration, and su back to my user |
| 16:59.43 | dutchfish | !tell m0 about sudo |
| 16:59.45 | m0 | if the webserver has its own user they can't mess up with the system though |
| 16:59.50 | Bushmills | s/hacked/compromised/ |
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| 17:00.27 | Arme[N] | m0: web server has its own user, www-data but you have to be root to edit config files :) |
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| 17:00.40 | Bushmills | m0: that's not a good metric for security - local exploits are more common than remote exploits. |
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| 17:01.37 | dutchfish | m0, you maybe want to delve into suxec too (too enhance apache's security) |
| 17:02.06 | m0 | Is this how all you guys setup debian? |
| 17:02.09 | dutchfish | s/suxec/suexec |
| 17:02.10 | Bushmills | most "rooting" of server are two-step. first obtain access to non-privileged account, then escalate privileges |
| 17:02.16 | m0 | Let root install everything? |
| 17:02.24 | m0 | Let root chown all applications? |
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| 17:02.42 | m0 | Then a normal user cannot access those application |
| 17:03.16 | dutchfish | m0, what aplications? |
| 17:03.26 | Bushmills | m0: you can log in as user, and then su to root |
| 17:05.15 | Bushmills | m0, you might want to: - diable password authentication. - allow only specific users to ssh. - set up su in pam to allow su to specific users only. |
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| 17:05.26 | m0 | The applications I currently installed are LAMP, PSYBNC, TF2 Gaming Server |
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| 17:06.30 | Bushmills | as you don't install them 3 times day, it's just fine to install them as root. |
| 17:07.02 | avu | m0, apache for example does not run as root |
| 17:07.16 | m0 | Say I want to sell webspace for my friend and allow him to access /home/friend/www/ in that there are 3 folders setup in sites-available. htdocs logs and cgi-bin |
| 17:07.18 | avu | m0, in general, just because root installed an application, does not mean that the application runs as root |
| 17:07.34 | dutchfish | m0, chrooted ftp access |
| 17:07.36 | m0 | Apache writes the logs in his folder |
| 17:07.44 | m0 | with root chowned to it |
| 17:08.00 | m0 | if he wants to clean his folder, he couldn't cause he isn't root |
| 17:08.05 | Bushmills | check configs of some servers - they do, even when *started* (not installed) as root (during boot maybe) drop their root privileges, and change to another, less privileged user. |
| 17:08.09 | avu | m0, again, apache does not run as root |
| 17:08.15 | avu | m0, it runs as www-data |
| 17:08.27 | wko | hello there, I'm using sid, recently upgraded to kernel 2.6.25-2 and then it stoped playing sound .. is there any way to fix this ? |
| 17:08.48 | asg | wko: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 17:09.08 | cahoot | wko: run speaker-test -t wav in a term - error? |
| 17:09.11 | m0 | avu: you mean a n application forks off to another user even if it is ran as root? |
| 17:09.27 | dutchfish | ran=started yes |
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| 17:09.37 | avu | m0, many servers do that, yes |
| 17:09.46 | Bushmills | wko. yes. a: find what is wrong, b: make it right. |
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| 17:09.57 | avu | m0, they only need to be started as root because they listen on ports <1024 |
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| 17:10.44 | m0 | I see |
| 17:11.04 | m0 | What if I want different users to alter configuration file? |
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| 17:11.19 | dutchfish | m0, sudoers |
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| 17:11.36 | m0 | But I don't want to give them root |
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| 17:12.03 | avu | m0, sudoers |
| 17:12.04 | m0 | doesn't sudo mean he will have temporarly root access? |
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| 17:12.13 | avu | m0, rtfm |
| 17:12.19 | dutchfish | m0, man sudo |
| 17:12.20 | rajkosto | whyone know why im getting internal server error premature end of headers when tryiung to run a perl script |
| 17:12.24 | Bushmills | m0: in case of apache, not too useful: after config change, apache still needs to reload the config. user can't do that |
| 17:12.28 | rajkosto | it works fine when i run it with perl |
| 17:12.44 | avu | rajkosto, well, the script does not send the proper headers most likely |
| 17:12.53 | rajkosto | it does |
| 17:12.54 | rajkosto | its a test script |
| 17:13.01 | steven__ | if i have a server running jboss not using nptl, shoul i upgrade it to debian that does use nptl JBOSS should just take advantage of nptl threads correct ? |
| 17:13.04 | avu | rajkosto, it needs to at least send Content-Type: foo/bar\r\n\r\n |
| 17:13.06 | Bushmills | m0: through sudo you can let them do that |
| 17:13.09 | avu | rajkosto, and nothing before that |
| 17:13.11 | rajkosto | it deoies |
| 17:13.23 | steven__ | or would i need to rebuild Java to get it to use nptl ? |
| 17:13.23 | rajkosto | its this thing |
| 17:13.23 | rajkosto | http://wakaba.c3.cx/sup/kareha.pl/1102836129/6 |
| 17:13.24 | m0 | Alright thanks, I didn't know that an applications forks to another user once started |
| 17:13.36 | m0 | Assuming that application created another user |
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| 17:13.39 | rajkosto | when i run it in shell i get the expected output |
| 17:13.47 | Bushmills | m0: dropping privileges doesn't need forking. |
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| 17:14.05 | avu | rajkosto, is the script executable by the user that runs the webserver? |
| 17:14.10 | Bushmills | and it also doens't need the app to create a user |
| 17:14.14 | rajkosto | yes |
| 17:14.17 | rajkosto | 755 |
| 17:15.02 | m0 | Bushmills: so it just drops privileges? That is nice |
| 17:15.07 | dutchfish | mumbles something again about suexec |
| 17:15.15 | rajkosto | suexec gives no error |
| 17:15.22 | Bushmills | m0: it changes to another user id |
| 17:15.29 | rajkosto | [2008-07-04 15:33:48]: uid: (2007/vu2007) gid: (2007/2007) cmd: test.pl |
| 17:15.39 | m0 | Bushmills: that explains the 1005 ? |
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| 17:16.05 | Bushmills | m0: what user an app changes to is mostly determined by its config |
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| 17:16.21 | m0 | Bushmills: but that user shouldn't exist? |
| 17:16.43 | idamnedit | howdy |
| 17:16.51 | avu | m0, of course the user has to exist |
| 17:16.52 | Bushmills | m0, it would help but it does not need to be in the passwd file |
| 17:17.09 | Bushmills | and it does not need to have a home dir |
| 17:17.26 | m0 | I never created the user: 1002 1002 4096 Jul 4 08:59 motd |
| 17:17.28 | avu | Bushmills, how does the uid not have to be in the passwd? |
| 17:17.29 | Bushmills | so, in a manner of speaking, no, the user doesn't really need to exist |
| 17:17.34 | idamnedit | Does anyone here know if Live-Helper has been discontinued |
| 17:17.34 | idamnedit | ? |
| 17:17.46 | Bushmills | avu setuid(12345); |
| 17:17.59 | dutchfish | !tell m0 about fish |
| 17:18.32 | rajkosto | hello ? |
| 17:18.46 | idamnedit | Hello |
| 17:18.59 | rajkosto | its really annoying getting premature headers for no reason :( |
| 17:19.33 | idamnedit | Has the live-helper tool been abandoned? |
| 17:20.11 | idamnedit | The help files I see on it appear to be quite incomplete.. Lots of FIXME in it |
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| 17:20.22 | mimcpher | I have a laptop that I would like to use with full disk encryption. Is dm-crypt the best method to do this at the moment? |
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| 17:21.24 | dutchfish | idamnedit, http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/live-helper.html |
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| 17:21.50 | idamnedit | Thanks man I will check that out |
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| 17:22.08 | my007ms | i have apps that need readline |
| 17:22.16 | idamnedit | I was able to figure it out to build a custom kiosk disk |
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| 17:22.21 | my007ms | and i install it and sure |
| 17:22.26 | my007ms | but it's still ask for it |
| 17:22.27 | idamnedit | But I know that there is much I can improve on |
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| 17:22.48 | my007ms | configure script keep give me configure: error: Need readline |
| 17:23.07 | dutchfish | idamnedit, also: http://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/debian-live-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org.html#live-helper |
| 17:24.13 | idamnedit | Thanks again |
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| 17:27.18 | dutchfish | my007ms, is it in you search path? |
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| 17:28.07 | my007ms | dutchfish how i can make sure from this |
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| 17:29.09 | my007ms | dpkg -l |grep -i readline " lib64readline5 lib64readline5-dev libeditline0 readline-common libreadline5" |
| 17:29.11 | dpkg | ii |grep -i readline " lib64readline5 lib64readline5-dev libeditline0 readline-common libreadline5" 1.3-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:29.37 | my007ms | :) |
| 17:29.41 | dutchfish | !tell my007ms about path |
| 17:29.52 | owen1_ | how do i mount my cdrom as soon as i insert a cd? |
| 17:30.00 | owen1_ | (automatically) |
| 17:30.22 | my007ms | dutchfish i was think u talk abut the path for libs. sorry yes i know abut PATH |
| 17:30.27 | dutchfish | !tell owen1 about automount |
| 17:30.40 | dutchfish | my007ms, ok, my mistake |
| 17:31.07 | cast | does equate to a period of laggyness when you insert a blankcd? |
| 17:31.27 | my007ms | dutchfish does readline have any excusable file ?? |
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| 17:32.31 | dutchfish | my007ms, actually there is more then 1: apt-file search readline |
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| 17:33.19 | netcrash | Hello I get the following message on dmesg "device eth0 has flipping receive path" , any tips on what can be causing this ? |
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| 17:34.14 | talexb | Is it necessary for a cron job to specify, for example, a path to Perl if the same path already exists in the shebang line, and the file itself is executable? |
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| 17:35.13 | lady_6thofAu | hello, some apps don't show utf8 what should i do? |
| 17:36.49 | Lectus | dude... Debian+Fluxbox is the coolest OS I've even used. :P |
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| 17:42.38 | foutrelis | talexb, it shouldn't be necessary, no |
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| 17:42.53 | soulchild | HI all,... how can i list installed printers via cups ??? |
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| 17:44.38 | pipeline | soulchild: log into the cups admin interface - https://localhost:631 |
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| 17:44.45 | pipeline | soulchild: or is it http://localhost:631 ? dunno |
| 17:46.34 | Anthro | I have three NICs (this is a router running stable, i.e. etch) and I want to provide DHCP service (different subnets) on two out of three of them. From the docs, it looks like dhcp3-server can't do this. Can anyone either set me straight or suggest other software that can? |
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| 17:48.19 | pipeline | Anthro: Yes, dhcp3 can do it. |
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| 17:48.34 | pipeline | Anthro: Define all three subnets. On the subnet where you want no service, just don't put anything in the definition. |
| 17:48.54 | pipeline | Anthro: the dhcpd.conf that comes with the package contains a sample configuration like you describe. |
| 17:49.36 | pipeline | Anthro: btw, dhcp3-server is *the* dhcp server. As far as I know, all full-featured DHCP servers are based upon it. (e.g. Sun DHCP is just a whizzy configuration interface on top of our old buddy ISC DHCP 3) |
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| 17:50.09 | kdeuser^ | Hi |
| 17:51.00 | kdeuser^ | is there a seprate runlevel that boots to console alone without starting X |
| 17:51.00 | gnat_x | i'm having this issue where somewhat randomly my disk light comes on, and stays on and the machine becomes unresponsive (3+ minutes for caps lock light), i found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=597570 which describes my problem fairly well. the solution it offers is that the uuid for swap is wrong. |
| 17:51.00 | kdeuser^ | by default |
| 17:51.26 | gnat_x | it recommends comparing the output of blkid and what's in the fstab -- but they are so dissimilar, i don't know how to compare. |
| 17:52.59 | pipeline | kdeuser^: no, but you can create one. Delete /etc/rc3.d/S??[kxg]dm |
| 17:53.40 | adama | gnat_x: pastebin the output of 'blkid' and 'cat /etc/fstab' |
| 17:53.47 | Anthro | pipeline: Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. |
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| 17:58.08 | xinming_ | in debian, How do I reload the rule for selinux I changed please? |
| 17:58.12 | xinming_ | I mean in /etc/selinux |
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| 17:58.40 | gnat_x | adama: http://pastebin.com/d746d01b8 |
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| 17:59.16 | randrews | Hi people |
| 17:59.16 | MrJK | I have done an update and upgrade. My server seems to be freezed : http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/source-1418.html |
| 17:59.23 | MrJK | can you help me ? |
| 18:00.02 | gnat_x | xinming_: i don't use selinux, but in debian reloads are generally performed through running the init.d eg "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload" |
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| 18:00.24 | MrJK | I'm afraid ... about what I ve done ... |
| 18:00.57 | xinming_ | gnat_x: It can't reload the configuration for selinux. selinux needs extra care. |
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| 18:01.43 | adama | gnat_x: it looks like it matches i.e. The "swap" in each correcponds to the same device |
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| 18:02.03 | gnat_x | adama: thanks. |
| 18:02.29 | gnat_x | any other thoughts on where to look for this kind of behavior? |
| 18:02.52 | gnat_x | (i've turned swap off to test if its swap related) |
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| 18:03.44 | tymonn | hey |
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| 18:06.11 | tymonn | anyone with the SEGMENTATION ERROR in gxine |
| 18:06.12 | tymonn | ? |
| 18:06.29 | tymonn | which media player do you use? |
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| 18:08.24 | rsk | mplayer |
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| 18:09.40 | LemensTS | i got a wierd problem, when my no-ip service starts it may make a pid of 9555 in its /var/run/noip2.pid But if i do noip2 -S it shows the pid is 9554 |
| 18:09.56 | Anthro | tymonn: I like vlc |
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| 18:10.20 | LemensTS | when i try to /etc/init.d/noip2 stop it wont work, but if i edit the noip2.pid manually and make it 9554 it will shut it down correctly |
| 18:10.35 | tymonn | Anthro: is it good with subtitles? |
| 18:10.50 | Anthro | tymonn: Hrm. Dunno. I've never tried. |
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| 18:10.56 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way form mdadm to "--add" automagicaly ? |
| 18:10.56 | steven__ | LemensTS: you could try strace to see what it's actually doing ? |
| 18:12.00 | steven__ | magyar_: you mean autmaticaly add the correct raid devices to build an md device ? |
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| 18:12.35 | Oxyd00m | szia magyar_ :P |
| 18:13.03 | magyar_ | steven__, yes sir |
| 18:13.04 | tymonn | my VLC isnt working properly, i cant see anyvideo, only audio, i have the w32codecs |
| 18:13.13 | magyar_ | Oxyd00m, szia |
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| 18:14.09 | steven__ | maygar_ i belive there is man mdadm |
| 18:14.21 | steven__ | i can't rember off hand but there is definetly something |
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| 18:15.03 | steven__ | magyar_: mdadm Auto-detect |
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| 18:15.27 | MrJK | I can't connect on it with ssh oO |
| 18:16.05 | magyar_ | steven__, "mdadm: cannot open Auto-detect: No such file or directory" -_- |
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| 18:18.10 | steven__ | magyar_: mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 18:18.25 | netcrash | Hello , my ethernet interface allways appears has eth and a diferent number everytime I reboot the machine ... what can be the problem here ? IRQ ? |
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| 18:19.43 | magyar_ | steven__, nothin happens |
| 18:20.08 | steven__ | magyar_: then maybe it can't autodetect your arrays ? |
| 18:20.12 | steven__ | does it work manually ? |
| 18:20.24 | steven__ | man mdadm explains the command and how it works |
| 18:20.59 | steven__ | magyar_: that will only start arrays listed in the config file |
| 18:21.01 | magyar_ | yeap, manual --add works |
| 18:21.50 | steven__ | and in the manual page it says auto-detect asks the kernel to add the raid devices so i guess that is dependant on kernel |
| 18:21.51 | magyar_ | arays are started steven__ but in degredated mode |
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| 18:22.37 | steven__ | why do you need to do it automatically why not manually out of interest ? |
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| 18:23.07 | steven__ | i think making sure the config file is correct and using --scan --assemble is the safest way to go |
| 18:23.09 | Lectus | Hello! The clock in my debian shows wrong time. What's the command to fix this? |
| 18:23.25 | steven__ | Lectus: date :) |
| 18:23.31 | Lectus | thanks :D |
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| 18:24.37 | isildur | i have the frimware of my bcm wireless card how do i manually install it? i dont want to use bcmcutter.. since i dont have a non wireless connection |
| 18:24.41 | isildur | firmware* |
| 18:24.46 | zophy | ok... if i update-alternatives and set editor to jmacs, joe doesn't run in jmacs mode |
| 18:24.50 | zophy | that sucks |
| 18:25.26 | zophy | the invoked program name must get lost somewhere |
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| 18:26.06 | liable | isildur: seeing a the firmware cutter is the way you are supposed to do it, what do you expect us to advise you to do? |
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| 18:26.54 | isildur | liable a long time ago someone showed my how to install it with just using commands in the terminal and it worked but i dont remember it was a long tme ago and i didnt use bcmcutter |
| 18:26.57 | cusco_ | since he has a wired connection he doesn't need the firmware anyway :p |
| 18:27.15 | isildur | me how* |
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| 18:27.29 | liable | isildur: hmm, never heard of that. |
| 18:27.47 | liable | isildur: imagine google would know though |
| 18:27.54 | isildur | the firmware was installed in /lib/firmware |
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| 18:28.04 | isildur | with just commands in the terminal |
| 18:28.06 | cusco_ | shouldn't the firmware files go to /usr/local/lib/firmware/ |
| 18:28.18 | isildur | cusco yeah i didnt wanna type everythong |
| 18:28.19 | liable | doesnt really matter |
| 18:28.29 | liable | debian uses /lib.firmware usually |
| 18:28.43 | liable | s/./// |
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| 18:29.18 | isildur | it was something something (firmware name) to /lib/firmware |
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| 18:29.57 | liable | yes, probably using the firmware cutter :P |
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| 18:31.27 | isildur | is it possible to download the deb of the firmware cutter from a site? cuz i dont have a wired connection to download it with debian |
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| 18:32.15 | liable | sure, packages.debian.org |
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| 18:33.38 | isildur | liable when i install the deb will a window automatically pop out asking me to fetch the firmware or something like that? |
| 18:33.56 | liable | isildur: i dont think so |
| 18:34.09 | itchi | Hi, how can i get the rt2500usb working on etch? Only rt2500 seems available :-s |
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| 18:34.42 | flower | hi, I want to build a rt-kernel, when I boot I get BUG: using smp_processor_id () in preeemtible [00000000] code khelper/1012 , but it starts.. |
| 18:34.49 | flower | When I want to build my rt2500 driver for wireless internet I get these errors: http://pastebin.com/m510079ce |
| 18:35.06 | liable | itchi: checkout the rt2x00 serialmonkey site |
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| 18:35.39 | itchi | liable, checking, thanks |
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| 18:36.19 | isildur | liable thanks for the help:) |
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| 18:37.06 | LemensTS | im wanting to keep a nas drive in sync with a folder on my debian server. is the best way to do that by rsync? |
| 18:37.29 | spyroboy | According to this page: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=463170, the bug in questin should be resolved and fixed in the repositories, however, I've done an update, and upgrade and I still can't get the fixed packages. I'm running Debian testing, and here's some other data that may be relevant: http://spyroboy.pastebin.com/m13c31e0b |
| 18:37.38 | itchi | flower, Errors in dutch are always ugly, even for those that understand dutch |
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| 18:38.02 | spyroboy | Does anyone have any idea? |
| 18:38.08 | flower | itchi, ik haat errors |
| 18:38.22 | XLV | is there some way in shell to show all files that a package consists of? |
| 18:38.22 | itchi | flower, En vooral in het nederlands :-p |
| 18:38.38 | spyroboy | XLV, dpkg -L package |
| 18:38.40 | flower | itchi, jij snapt me ten minste... snif |
| 18:38.59 | itchi | flower, I try to get the rt2500usb working heh |
| 18:38.59 | XLV | spyroboy, thanks |
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| 18:39.15 | XLV | i was messing with apt-cache, totally forgot dpkg |
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| 18:39.27 | Eulex | spyroboy, check the version of your pcre packages. compare with the version that page says it's fixed in. |
| 18:39.45 | spyroboy | Eulex, pcre packages? |
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| 18:39.51 | flower | itchi, ok but that one of mine is not a usb... |
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| 18:39.58 | itchi | flower, btw there's #debian-nl where you can hang around. |
| 18:40.08 | spyroboy | ( ~ )% dpkg -l | grep pcre |
| 18:40.09 | spyroboy | ii libpcre3 7.4-1+lenny1 Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library |
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| 18:40.12 | spyroboy | ii libpcrecpp0 7.4-1+lenny1 Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library |
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| 18:40.37 | flower | itchi, I know but its not very busy there... |
| 18:40.43 | Eulex | spyroboy, didn't tell you to paste it. in any case, now compare with the version the bug report says it's fixed in. |
| 18:40.49 | itchi | flower, right |
| 18:41.03 | spyroboy | Eulex, I've tried to reinstall those and they seem to be up-to-date acording to apt, but they do not match the page, no. |
| 18:41.57 | itchi | flower, Because i'm not talking there yet! Busy to get my network up and running again. Stupid shops don't have UTP cat 6e in stock anymore :-( |
| 18:41.59 | Eulex | spyroboy, the page says it is fixed in 7.6-2. thus it could be that the bug isn't fixed in 7.4-1 |
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| 18:42.43 | spyroboy | Eulex, yes, I'm quite aware of that.. but isn't upgrading the package. |
| 18:42.54 | spyroboy | apt isn't* |
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| 18:43.19 | flower | itchi, hate stocks too ;) |
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| 18:43.56 | Eulex | spyroboy, that's because lenny has 7.4-1+lenny1 |
| 18:44.15 | spyroboy | I am running debian testing however. |
| 18:44.16 | cia | how can we repair this breakage in the invocation of joe as jmacs via the /etc/alternatives paradigm ? |
| 18:44.26 | spyroboy | Unless my sources.list is wrong. |
| 18:44.33 | cia | that very paradigm is broken |
| 18:44.39 | Eulex | spyroboy, lenny is testing. |
| 18:45.01 | Eulex | currently, at least |
| 18:45.26 | spyroboy | then what's the deal? why can't I get this package that's in "testing"? |
| 18:45.28 | cia | is there a joe .rc file ? |
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| 18:45.41 | xushi | how can i tell NFS 3 to export as utf8? i can't see my utf8 filenames through nfs, but can only through ssh |
| 18:45.43 | caribou_ | Hello |
| 18:46.21 | Eulex | spyroboy, uh, you're getting the package that is in testing, as you are running testing. 7.4-1+lenny1 is in testing. 7.6-2 is in unstable. |
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| 18:47.15 | spyroboy | ugh, I see. I thought it was updated in testing. |
| 18:47.31 | spyroboy | Thanks for pointing that out. |
| 18:47.31 | hekel | jabs spyroboy |
| 18:47.40 | cia | this disolution is bringing me down |
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| 18:47.53 | xand | xushi: should Just Work |
| 18:48.07 | xushi | hmm, then it must be something wrong with mounting |
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| 18:49.09 | caribou_ | I've read a thing about forcing certain fonts to be used (like liberation) (cf http://uwstopia.nl/blog/2007/05/free-your-fonts ) In this tutorial it asks to open fonts.conf in home in ~/.fonts.conf but the only fonts.conf I find is located at /etc/fonts/ but in this config file it's written "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE. IT WILL BE REPLACED WHEN FONTCONFIG IS UPDATED. LOCAL CHANGES BELONG IN 'local.conf'" Do i have to create this file ? |
| 18:49.16 | Eulex | and then he left, when I was going to give additional advice |
| 18:49.41 | Eulex | caribou_, generally, if a ~/.* file doesn't exist; create it. |
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| 18:49.49 | JoyFM | hi |
| 18:50.05 | cia | maybe i can alias 'editor' |
| 18:50.16 | JoyFM | has anybody an idea what to do if the partition is smaller than mentioned in the partition table? |
| 18:50.21 | caribou_ | Eulex, ok thank you, small other question the file is ".fonts.conf" ? with the dot at the beginning ? |
| 18:50.33 | JoyFM | (caused by errors of gparted) |
| 18:50.34 | Eulex | caribou_, and yes, as /etc/fonts/fonts.conf points out, you can create local.conf in that directory and put stuff there, if you want to apply the changes system-wide |
| 18:50.43 | Eulex | caribou_, yes, a dot at the beginning |
| 18:50.54 | caribou_ | Eckrall_, ok thank you :D |
| 18:50.57 | caribou_ | oops |
| 18:51.02 | caribou_ | Thank you Eulex |
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| 18:51.27 | Eulex | yw |
| 18:51.35 | valdyn | JoyFM: partitions cant be smaller than in the partition table because the partition table defines the partition |
| 18:52.09 | valdyn | JoyFM: maybe you mean that the filesystem is smaller than the partition |
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| 18:52.31 | JoyFM | yes i mean the filesystem is smaller than the partition ;) |
| 18:52.37 | JoyFM | how could i fix this? |
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| 18:52.42 | valdyn | JoyFM: ext2resize |
| 18:52.42 | JoyFM | (I want a bigger filesystem) |
| 18:52.46 | JoyFM | hmm kay |
| 18:52.48 | pureluck | hi, i'm having somewhat of a problem installing postgres on a debian system |
| 18:53.01 | valdyn | JoyFM: should work online and default to growing to maximum, but read the manpage |
| 18:53.26 | torgrimt | pureluck: very good description! |
| 18:53.27 | pureluck | although i can access it with the psql command, it doesn't show up in nmap localhost and the port on debian defaults to 5433 ? |
| 18:53.47 | torgrimt | because it dosent bind to a port by default |
| 18:54.13 | torgrimt | or it only binds to 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:54.16 | JoyFM | thx valdyn |
| 18:54.25 | pureluck | i'm sshd into the machine |
| 18:54.30 | pureluck | if i do nmap localhost |
| 18:54.40 | valdyn | pureluck: nmap is the worst tool for this |
| 18:54.41 | pureluck | it should poke the ports from localhost |
| 18:54.44 | pureluck | so it should appear |
| 18:54.58 | pureluck | i believe, but comparing to other machines i have the results differ |
| 18:55.27 | pureluck | but, does pgsql binds to a socket by default ? |
| 18:55.43 | torgrimt | im not 100% sure, but i dont think so |
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| 18:55.55 | torgrimt | think i had to enable it in the configfile |
| 18:55.59 | pureluck | i have edited the conf file a lot |
| 18:56.10 | pureluck | listen_addresses = '*' |
| 18:56.13 | torgrimt | or maybe it was in /etc/defaults ;) |
| 18:56.19 | pureluck | hm.. |
| 18:56.52 | JoyFM | valdyn: it worked thank you so much ;) |
| 18:56.52 | pureluck | i ave no /etc/defaults |
| 18:57.42 | torgrimt | its /etc/default, but postgres dosent have a setting there |
| 18:58.32 | Nickname | #join debian |
| 18:58.50 | cia | can emacs rmail render html ? |
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| 18:58.58 | cia | in text mode ? |
| 18:59.21 | kregg | bye |
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| 19:01.41 | yangvnc | Is there a guide on how to patch a bug from debian bugs? |
| 19:02.01 | rsk | yangvnc, um what do you mean? |
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| 19:02.15 | yangvnc | rsk: I received a patch for one package, how can I apply it? |
| 19:02.24 | cia | bugs go in, but they don't come out |
| 19:02.32 | rsk | yangvnc: man patch |
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| 19:03.10 | amphi | cia: it should be able to invoke lynx -dump or w3m -dump |
| 19:03.24 | amphi | cia: at least that's what mutt does here |
| 19:03.29 | cia | i see |
| 19:03.43 | cia | that's a good thing |
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| 19:04.00 | yangvnc | Do I need to put it in a suitable directory? |
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| 19:04.19 | amphi | cia: also antiword for the occasional ms word document ;) |
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| 19:08.32 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to enable imap for some users and pop for other from the same server? |
| 19:08.40 | wols | magyar_: yes |
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| 19:08.49 | wols | pretty much every decent server allows both |
| 19:08.52 | magyar_ | wols, how would i do that? |
| 19:08.56 | wols | use dovecot or courier |
| 19:09.02 | wols | just install it |
| 19:09.12 | Andreas_A | What's a good size for a swap partition for a webserver with 4 GiB ram |
| 19:09.15 | Andreas_A | ? |
| 19:09.26 | rsk | Andreas_A: what load will it have? |
| 19:09.27 | wols | Andreas_A: what debian arch? |
| 19:09.30 | magyar_ | wols, i need to allow users in the group "imap" to login by imap and the rest only pop |
| 19:09.30 | MERLiiN | unsure |
| 19:09.42 | wols | magyar_: all will be able to login either way |
| 19:10.09 | magyar_ | wols, can i block imap for users? |
| 19:10.23 | magyar_ | some users |
| 19:10.26 | Andreas_A | rsk: with apache it's like 250 requests per second. |
| 19:10.43 | Andreas_A | At the moment, like 340 at peaks. |
| 19:10.57 | rsk | few gb then, try 2 |
| 19:10.59 | wols | magyar_: dunno |
| 19:11.04 | magyar_ | k |
| 19:11.07 | wols | rsk: what has load to do with swap? |
| 19:11.09 | Andreas_A | rsk: Thanks. |
| 19:11.15 | jelly-hme | Andreas_A: I'd put 1:1 |
| 19:11.41 | Andreas_A | Swap on two partitions sized one GiB each? |
| 19:11.57 | jelly-hme | Andreas_A: no, swap the same size as RAM |
| 19:12.06 | Andreas_A | Ah |
| 19:12.07 | Andreas_A | Ok |
| 19:12.17 | Andreas_A | Makes sense. |
| 19:12.27 | Nyle | hey jellly is home |
| 19:12.38 | jelly-hme | Andreas_A: it's just a rule of thumb, really |
| 19:12.51 | Nyle | jelly-hme, why do they say 'rule of thumb'? what does it mean? |
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| 19:13.01 | chi | FUCK YO COUCH! |
| 19:13.03 | Nyle | thumb rules the rest of the fingers? |
| 19:13.16 | Nyle | cuz its important appendage or something? |
| 19:13.20 | Andreas_A | jelly-home: Well I know. I just think I'd ask. Some people has weird setups. |
| 19:13.23 | Eulex | 4gb swap with 4gb ram prolly is overkill if you're not hibernating, and you won't hibernate a server. |
| 19:13.25 | Nyle | chi, wtf? |
| 19:13.30 | chi | er |
| 19:13.41 | Nyle | chi, my couch has no holes |
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| 19:14.01 | Andreas_A | Does dual core and or processor have anything to do with it? |
| 19:14.03 | jelly-home | Nyle: there's a distant object and you try to measure a dimension of it by straighening your arm and look at it over your thumb |
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| 19:14.24 | wols | Andreas_A: only for server side script languages |
| 19:14.44 | jelly-home | Eulex: eh, apache and mod_php crap can be swappy |
| 19:14.45 | Nyle | jelly-home, you mean like if i look at the moon and put the thumbout the moon could be like behind my thumb and hidden? |
| 19:14.55 | Nyle | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 19245, errno = 0 <-- what does this mean? |
| 19:14.58 | jelly-home | Nyle: no; giyf |
| 19:14.58 | Nyle | ICE? |
| 19:15.06 | Nyle | !giyf |
| 19:15.07 | dpkg | hmm... giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 19:15.09 | Nyle | oh |
| 19:15.39 | Andreas_A | wols: Well it will run server-side scripts. |
| 19:15.55 | Eulex | jelly-home, hmm, ok. still if something swaps out 4gb, things will be really slow. |
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| 19:16.55 | jelly-home | Eulex: yeah. it buys you some time to react |
| 19:17.46 | Eulex | jelly-home, good point |
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| 19:18.31 | jelly-home | Eulex: not really; our web machine admins never notice until it's too late :-) |
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| 19:19.04 | Eulex | :) |
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| 19:24.56 | Night000Vision | does debian support atheros AR5212/AR5213 wifi? |
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| 19:31.23 | wols | !madwifi |
| 19:31.24 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
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| 19:33.44 | Andreas_A | What happends if swap is to large or too small= |
| 19:34.13 | wols | if it'S too small, OOM killer will hit |
| 19:34.19 | wols | if it's too large, nothing happens |
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| 19:45.18 | vadmeste | Hello. |
| 19:45.28 | vadmeste | Any problems to solve today ? |
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| 19:46.58 | vadmeste | Question : how to disable automatic fs checking on boot ? |
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| 19:47.49 | adama | vadmeste: tune2fs - check the man page |
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| 19:49.10 | adama | vadmeste: something like tune2fs -i0 -c0 /dev/sda3 |
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| 19:49.28 | vadmeste | adama: thanks |
| 19:49.36 | Fenixon | hello, how to boot debian without grub by lenny installation cd? |
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| 19:50.37 | rsk | Fenixon: lilo ? |
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| 19:51.05 | wols | !tell Fenixon about rescue |
| 19:51.08 | Fenixon | nope |
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| 19:51.35 | vadmeste | Fenixon: your question is not so clear.. |
| 19:51.42 | Fenixon | i just installed windows and it cleaned my mbr i think |
| 19:51.50 | rsk | yes windows does that |
| 19:51.52 | Fenixon | i just wanna boot my debian |
| 19:51.57 | rsk | smart move :) |
| 19:51.57 | Fenixon | and install bootloader |
| 19:52.07 | Fenixon | :) |
| 19:52.15 | wols | Fenixon: I made dpkg tell you |
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| 19:55.13 | Fenixon | i ahve no idea how to use this ;f |
| 19:55.49 | wols | to use what? |
| 19:55.55 | wols | it gave you a url with documentation |
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| 19:56.47 | lzm | hello, which package provides usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h in lenny? |
| 19:57.00 | enouf | !search |
| 19:57.00 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 19:58.17 | Fenixon | wols: i need to use this d-i program or alternative way? |
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| 19:59.06 | wols | Fenixon: you want to use the debian installer cd |
| 20:00.09 | lzm | dpkg couldnt find it.. |
| 20:00.09 | dpkg | lzm: wish i knew |
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| 20:01.19 | wols | !tell lzm about search |
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| 20:04.19 | lzm | oh right.. it couldnt find because linux is a symlink to linux-2.6.25-686 |
| 20:04.24 | lzm | thanks everybody :) |
| 20:05.03 | CPrompt^ | greetings. would there be any reprocutions to installing software via source instead of a deb package? I'm running Etch btw |
| 20:05.56 | Fenixon | wols: thank you, i'll try it |
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| 20:11.48 | vipersniper | hrm |
| 20:12.45 | vipersniper | i get this error when i try downloading with "axel" |
| 20:12.53 | vipersniper | pthread error!!! |
| 20:13.09 | vipersniper | or crappy filesystem |
| 20:13.28 | vipersniper | wha's that mean :) |
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| 20:27.39 | mohadib | anyideas why firefox takes a long time to create a new tab and clear the URL bar? |
| 20:27.58 | TheGeralt | Hi, the installation manual says that to use the usb installation I need not only the usb image but also an .iso image, but it does not say where I can get it and I don't find it on the ftp server. Where can I find these? |
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| 20:31.12 | wols | !cdimage |
| 20:31.13 | dpkg | wols, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
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| 20:33.51 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 20:35.16 | TheGeralt | wols: what do I need for ftp installation? just the hd-media image? |
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| 20:35.30 | ribnitz | How much mem can I address on a P4 (32 bit)? 2^32 bits (4GB?) |
| 20:35.36 | wols | !tell TheGeralt about ig |
| 20:35.51 | wols | !tell TheGeralt about hd-media |
| 20:36.17 | wols | ribnitz: less. your mapped in memory (videoram mainly) needs to be subtracted |
| 20:36.17 | Linux___ | hello i have a problem with audacious |
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| 20:36.19 | Linux___ | crash |
| 20:36.21 | Linux___ | http://pastebin.com/m611bced |
| 20:36.21 | wols | usually it's about 3.5GB |
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| 20:36.36 | pureluck | ribnitz, without PAE, yes |
| 20:37.18 | ribnitz | pureluck: ie. Paging. |
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| 20:37.37 | pureluck | y |
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| 20:38.19 | ribnitz | pureluck: with paging, I get an additional (two, I think) levels of redirects. |
| 20:38.51 | ribnitz | wols: so how much ram is ok for such a machine? |
| 20:39.44 | ribnitz | wols: I currently have 3 gb, and see no swapping at all.. |
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| 20:39.46 | pureluck | yeah, i know :P |
| 20:40.00 | wols | ribnitz: what machine? |
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| 20:40.26 | ribnitz | wols: P4, 3.2GHz, with hyoerthreading. My home box. |
| 20:40.37 | wols | how much you want |
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| 20:40.38 | ribnitz | wols: fan slightly loudish. |
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| 20:41.41 | ribnitz | wols: I was wondering ablout replacing the 512mb modules with a gb module. |
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| 20:42.16 | ribnitz | wols: hence that addresing question. |
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| 20:44.05 | mohadib | howdy, i got a new mouse , now i cant click the mouse wheel to paste into any app , can i configure this? or is this some hardware issue with the mouse? |
| 20:44.36 | wols | generally wheel is always 3rd button |
| 20:44.41 | ribnitz | mohadib: mousewheel owrks otherwise (eg. scrolling in FF? |
| 20:44.45 | mohadib | yep |
| 20:44.56 | mohadib | i can even middle click on a link and it opens in a new tab |
| 20:45.16 | ribnitz | wols: + 4th , +5th (for scrolling) |
| 20:45.22 | jelly-home | wols: isn't wheel buttons 4 and 5? |
| 20:45.37 | jelly-home | wols: and 3 being the middle button/ |
| 20:45.50 | wols | jelly-home: please show me a middle button on a wheel mouse |
| 20:45.51 | ribnitz | mohadib: the text needs to be selected when you click? |
| 20:46.20 | mohadib | ahh , from google |
| 20:46.45 | wols | ribnitz: 4th and 5th are when you roll the wheel. not press it |
| 20:46.49 | jelly-home | wols: it's the wheel pressed down |
| 20:46.50 | mohadib | eh |
| 20:46.54 | mohadib | i read i need to press harder |
| 20:47.06 | mohadib | but it has not affect , i do highlight the text first |
| 20:47.10 | wols | jelly-home: yes |
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| 20:47.28 | jelly-home | wols: unless one has a really old mouse where a wheel isn't clickable |
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| 20:48.06 | mohadib | admn |
| 20:48.10 | mohadib | what a pos |
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| 20:51.26 | cia | The 4th of July ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever more. |
| 20:51.59 | ribnitz | cia: burning witches? (err... terrorists) |
| 20:52.52 | cia | ribnitz, i am in favor of eliminating criminals |
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| 20:53.12 | ribnitz | cia: Witches were criminal. |
| 20:53.17 | cia | i know |
| 20:53.22 | cia | i hate them |
| 20:53.41 | ribnitz | cia: they spread false beliefs. |
| 20:53.51 | cia | they commit crimes |
| 20:54.04 | cia | they are a criminal network |
| 20:54.07 | maligor | danced naked in the forest |
| 20:54.08 | ribnitz | cia: necesarily. |
| 20:54.27 | ribnitz | maligor: they underminde moral values. |
| 20:54.45 | cia | no, it's all about harming people |
| 20:54.57 | cia | the reasons don't matter |
| 20:55.09 | cia | crime is crime |
| 20:55.12 | ribnitz | Dancing naked in the forest spoils youth... |
| 20:55.53 | ribnitz | cia: execute first, ask questions later.. |
| 20:56.08 | cia | crime is crime no matter how you try to justify it |
| 20:56.53 | ribnitz | (could we be slightly OT?) ;) |
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| 20:57.39 | TheSophist | hello |
| 20:57.46 | ribnitz | hi |
| 20:57.56 | TheSophist | :) |
| 20:59.32 | TheSophist | I have this problem http://sentencia.librepensamiento.es/Gtk.jpg |
| 20:59.55 | TheSophist | QTCurve is installed and it works or at least does not gives any error, but xchat does not get the correct apperance |
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| 21:00.56 | ktwilight | this is weird, i can't find any dhcp3-server man in manpages.debian.net, is this normal?? |
| 21:01.10 | ktwilight | but a apt-file search finds it |
| 21:01.39 | ktwilight | ah~ nevermind, it's dhcpd.conf that i should be looking out |
| 21:01.39 | cia | TheSophist, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM |
| 21:01.40 | cia | ? |
| 21:01.59 | cia | ?oh god |
| 21:02.06 | cia | god ? |
| 21:02.08 | TheSophist | the buttons of the xchat are not as kde style |
| 21:02.15 | cia | hmmmm |
| 21:02.23 | TheSophist | xchat supports that engine |
| 21:02.32 | TheSophist | well, i think it does |
| 21:02.45 | cia | ya know, that is really not interesting |
| 21:02.46 | ribnitz | TheSophist: Its not like windows. Some apps are integrated better than others? |
| 21:03.16 | TheSophist | good, ok |
| 21:03.19 | TheSophist | thanks for the support |
| 21:03.26 | cia | if i was an debian op i would ban a lot of people here |
| 21:03.48 | TheSophist | dont get mad, i go away already for dont annoye you |
| 21:03.51 | ribnitz | cia: depends. |
| 21:04.02 | TheSophist | thanks for your time, cia and ribnitz |
| 21:04.03 | micols | is it not possible to route a client through my server (and let the client use my isp's dns server and gateway instead of my server with 2 nics) ? |
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| 21:04.06 | micols | using dhcp |
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| 21:04.28 | micols | without iptables |
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| 21:05.06 | wols | micols: not really. possibly with bridging maybe, but why would you? |
| 21:05.28 | ribnitz | micols: set the nameserver of your isp in the dhcp server. |
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| 21:05.45 | kingsley2 | Is Ted Tso here? |
| 21:06.10 | micols | i cannot find iptables in 2.6 kernel anyway, where do i find netpacket suboptions? |
| 21:06.12 | juice` | hello, two of my 3 disks went down at the same time, one was part of RAID1, another was just fresh disk to stort backup, i really doubt it is hardware issue, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/m2aa2331d <- pastes syslog logs here... |
| 21:06.32 | micols | and ipmasquerading |
| 21:06.33 | wols | micols: netfilter. why do you compile your own kernel? |
| 21:06.42 | micols | wols: its for my server thats why |
| 21:06.44 | amphi | micols: you can use '/' to search in make menuconfig, FWIW |
| 21:06.50 | wols | micols: that's no reason |
| 21:06.56 | wols | why do you compile your own kernel? |
| 21:07.19 | wols | if you must compile your own, start with a debian config. there everything is already there for NAT |
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| 21:07.50 | micols | because i dont like extra overhead, no need to load modules for hardware i dont need (i got lots of onboard hardware i dont need, serial ports, printer ports etc) :) |
| 21:08.15 | micols | so instead of 100 modules at boot i got 10 at most |
| 21:08.26 | ribnitz | micols: then you don't load the module? |
| 21:08.36 | micols | right, not fun blacklisting 100 modules |
| 21:08.44 | maligor | you could also backlist modules you don't need |
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| 21:09.00 | Eulex | more work to compile a kernel |
| 21:09.22 | micols | more fun.. i dont like initrd's, they never work and make my server unuseable |
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| 21:09.34 | micols | and debian kernels come with initramfs's or initrds |
| 21:09.44 | DebianNewb | Hi, I downloaded the usb image (the one containing kernel and syslinux) and copied it onto my usb stick using zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb, but when trying to boot from it I only see a message displaying "error" or "boot error" or something like that with no further information. I thouhgt this image is a complete and bootable one, I also checked the md5 sums and tried it twice. Any ideas? |
| 21:10.03 | Eulex | micols, 'make your server unusable'? |
| 21:10.15 | micols | Eulex: as in unbootable |
| 21:10.47 | micols | i cannot get any initramfs to work with my server at boot.. it just hangs, and i dont have any monitor. |
| 21:11.13 | Eulex | I'd say that it's unlikely that the problem is related to that |
| 21:11.15 | micols | not even the ones i make myself, with xfs, i2o_mod, scsi_mod, sg etc in |
| 21:11.45 | juice` | hello, two of my 3 disks went down at the same time, one was part of RAID1, another was just fresh disk for backup, i really doubt it is hardware issue, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/m7e7af92f <- pasted syslog logs here... |
| 21:11.55 | micols | Eulex: i just like to not use initramfs if possible. its a pain. |
| 21:11.55 | ribnitz | DebianNewb: can you boot other things from usb? |
| 21:12.23 | DebianNewb | ribnitz: yes, I installed archlinux from the same usb stick on the same system |
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| 21:12.57 | ribnitz | DebianNewb: So you can rule out bios probs booting from usb? |
| 21:13.22 | tingle | is there a iceweasel plugin for pdf available? (i run etch) |
| 21:13.25 | DebianNewb | ribnitz: yes, it should be working. I also checked the content of the stick it seems that it's all there |
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| 21:14.06 | ribnitz | tingle: xpdf or acroread. |
| 21:14.23 | ribnitz | tingle: second is very evil because its non-free |
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| 21:14.49 | maligor | acroread is also massive |
| 21:14.58 | amphi | or evince |
| 21:15.11 | ribnitz | amphi: evince? |
| 21:15.22 | tingle | ill give xpdf a try ty |
| 21:15.24 | amphi | pdf reader |
| 21:15.41 | micols | juice`: looks like disk problem, or filesystem is corrupted |
| 21:15.49 | ribnitz | maligor: If I print somethinbg I have not generated myself its practically always pdf (or ps). |
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| 21:16.55 | ribnitz | maligor: and there, acroread has some advantages (also with printer settings) over xpdf.. |
| 21:17.07 | amphi | acroread is still statically linked to motif? ;) |
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| 21:17.25 | ribnitz | amphi: looks like it. |
| 21:17.30 | amphi | heh |
| 21:17.51 | juice` | micols: but one disk is like 3 days old, and 2 of these disk went down at the same time |
| 21:18.05 | juice` | micols: really strange, i had hardware disk problem before and SMART was up |
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| 21:18.27 | juice` | and this time everything seems down, and 2 different disks are going down at the same second |
| 21:19.08 | ribnitz | juice`: same batch? |
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| 21:19.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | same bitch? |
| 21:19.40 | Nyle | what? |
| 21:19.57 | Nyle | what the matter with you? |
| 21:20.26 | julu | can i put something in my /etc/interfaces that'll let me set the SSID of wlan0? |
| 21:20.31 | ribnitz | CutMeOwnThroat: If it was fun, why not? |
| 21:20.39 | juice` | ribnitz: these are serial ata disk |
| 21:20.47 | Eulex | julu, yes, see man wireless |
| 21:20.49 | amphi | julu: yes |
| 21:20.50 | Eulex | and man interfaces |
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| 21:21.02 | juice` | ribnitz: no, different |
| 21:21.06 | julu | Eulex: cool, was looking in interfaces |
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| 21:21.15 | juice` | one is 1 yeard old , second is 3 days old, different companies |
| 21:21.20 | Eulex | basically, wireless-essid foo |
| 21:21.45 | ribnitz | juice`: and the 3 day old failed? |
| 21:22.02 | julu | Eulex: 'no manual entry for wireless' What do I need to have installed? ifup wlan0 works fine, I just don't want to connect to the wrong network on accident |
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| 21:22.33 | Eulex | wireless-tools |
| 21:22.39 | juice` | ribnitz: yes, 1 yard old failed and 3 day old failed |
| 21:22.42 | juice` | at the same second |
| 21:23.19 | amphi | julu: wireless-tools provides /usr/share/man/man7/wireless.7.gz |
| 21:23.29 | ribnitz | juice`: and its not a failure of another component, like the powersource? |
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| 21:25.54 | juice` | ribnitz: whole system is working fine right now |
| 21:26.10 | juice` | ribnitz: only those 2 disk went down at the same time.. i'm nto sure if this is PSU fault, might be |
| 21:26.21 | juice` | but wouldn't the whole machine went down? |
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| 21:27.14 | caribou_ | hello again |
| 21:28.10 | julu | amphi: thanks! so, i basically use iwconfig wlan0 essid "blah" to set it up, then still ifup wlan0 to connect? |
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| 21:29.33 | wouterrr | Hello. |
| 21:30.01 | wouterrr | I've installed exim4 with virtual domains. now when i try to send mail to it from another server i get: 550 relay not permitted |
| 21:30.07 | wouterrr | But why is this error raised, i'm not relaying right? |
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| 21:31.23 | kingsley2 | Unfortunately, 782957 files are in /lost+found after running fsck.ext3 several times to recover an ext3 partition. The "badblocks" command reports no problems. Suggestions? |
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| 21:32.15 | juice` | ribnitz: any ideas? |
| 21:32.34 | wols | kingsley2: restore from backup |
| 21:33.05 | wols | wouterrr: the OTHER server doesn't want to relay |
| 21:33.19 | wouterrr | wols: ah the exim does not recognize the server |
| 21:33.35 | wols | wouterrr: oh, misunderstood. the mail you sent wasn't accepted. your mailserver thinks the mail is not for him |
| 21:33.41 | jelly-home | kingsley2: btw. You did make an image of the partition before doing potentially destructive fsck, right? |
| 21:33.43 | wouterrr | yep, my dfault |
| 21:33.46 | wols | so it rejects it |
| 21:33.54 | wouterrr | need to fix my virtual domains :- ) |
| 21:34.03 | Yatmai | Hello |
| 21:34.34 | wols | kingsley2: if you want to test the hdd, use smartmontools |
| 21:34.46 | Yatmai | I have problem with fakeroot, any attempts to build package ends with: trap: 139: EXIT: bad trap |
| 21:35.00 | Yatmai | How can I fix that ? |
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| 21:35.44 | adama | what's the best way to duplicate an entire HDD? |
| 21:35.49 | amphi | julu: just put wireless-essid foo in /etc/network interfaces, in the wlan0 stanza, and then use ifup wlan0 |
| 21:35.55 | wols | adama: dd perhaps? |
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| 21:36.10 | kingsley2 | wols: Thanks. Normally I use rdiff-backup, however, and I wish I didn't feel the need to mention this, the backup file system was recently corrupted, and I was recreating it when the box hung and the main drive became corrupted, with the resulting 782957 files in /lost+found. |
| 21:36.12 | ribnitz | amphi: partimage. |
| 21:36.15 | adama | wols yeah that's the first thing I tried but it didn't work very well |
| 21:36.27 | amphi | ribnitz: ETAB ;) |
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| 21:36.45 | ribnitz | adama: dd if you want bitwise copy; partimage, if you want partition copy. |
| 21:36.45 | kingsley2 | jelly-home: Yes, I copied the corrupted partition to another disk. |
| 21:36.45 | jelly-home | adama: if the destination device is the exact same size, the simplest thing is to dd the whole of it |
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| 21:36.58 | adama | jelly-home: it's not, it's bigger |
| 21:37.03 | ribnitz | amphi: ye,s definitely. |
| 21:37.25 | jelly-home | adama: are you hoping to resize any of the existing partitions? |
| 21:37.47 | wols | adama: then dd it and the resize it |
| 21:38.15 | adama | I did: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4M but had to repair grub on the new drive and one partition needed to be fscked and lots of files were lost and one partition was gone |
| 21:38.20 | jelly-home | adama: ok, next question - how much of the source is actually in use? |
| 21:38.29 | adama | most of it |
| 21:38.44 | adama | don't need to resize partitions, doesn't matter, I can do that later |
| 21:38.54 | jelly-home | adama: something went wrong then (re: dd) |
| 21:39.29 | adama | I ran the dd from in a ubuntu live CD, it appeared to work OK at the time |
| 21:40.08 | adama | partimage is recommended? |
| 21:40.10 | badiane | adama: the dd was on the underlying system right |
| 21:40.26 | jelly-home | badiane: "livecd" |
| 21:40.51 | adama | badiane: the dd executable was running from a live CD |
| 21:40.56 | badiane | adama: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
| 21:41.01 | adama | badiane: none of the drives were mounted |
| 21:41.24 | badiane | adama: so you dd'd them to where? |
| 21:41.39 | jelly-home | badiane: dude, <adama> I did: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4M but had to repair grub on the new drive and one partition needed to be fscked and lots of files were lost and one partition was gone |
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| 21:42.02 | adama | yeah badiane: I did: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4M |
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| 21:42.26 | badiane | thanks |
| 21:43.00 | badiane | adama: why did you choose the 4M bs |
| 21:43.14 | jelly-home | why not? It shouldn't matter |
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| 21:43.52 | adama | badiane: seemed reasonable, I saw it on the net or something |
| 21:43.57 | amphi | adama: you could just use cp, which would probably be faster |
| 21:44.30 | jelly-home | amphi: "how much of the source is actually in use? <adama> most of it " |
| 21:44.38 | adama | amphi: I've already done it, took about 1.5 hours (120GB drive) |
| 21:45.09 | jelly-home | adama: I have no idea why this happened, barring hardware issues |
| 21:45.09 | adama | the point is it didn't work too well. I'm looking for alternatives. Do you think cp would work better? |
| 21:45.09 | amphi | jelly-home: yes? |
| 21:45.26 | jelly-home | amphi: why do you expect cp would be faster. |
| 21:45.36 | adama | the new drive is 160GB, it's brand-new |
| 21:45.44 | enouf | adama: did you setup the dest disk with partitions and filesystems prior? |
| 21:45.55 | adama | enouf: no |
| 21:46.10 | adama | fdisk showed nothing |
| 21:46.28 | jelly-home | adama: and dd exit status was 0? |
| 21:46.43 | enouf | well, you can't use dd that way, the drive's geometry doesn't match |
| 21:46.43 | adama | pretty sure |
| 21:47.03 | jelly-home | enouf: sure he can; linux won't care |
| 21:47.13 | enouf | sure it will |
| 21:47.15 | adama | jelly-home: it printed some benchmarks etc at the end, no errors |
| 21:47.21 | enouf | and the proof is in the outcome |
| 21:47.40 | wols | emma: mp- fpr öomix, a disk is an array of blocks, that's it |
| 21:47.47 | wols | linux doesn't care about gemetries |
| 21:48.02 | jelly-home | enouf: reference please; I've dd-ed disks from chs x:240:63 to y:255:63 with no ill efects |
| 21:48.04 | wols | besides, all disks nowaday use 63 sectors per cylinder and such |
| 21:48.11 | enouf | really? so the end of disk is the end of disk? |
| 21:48.14 | wols | and one could just as well only dd partitions and not disks |
| 21:48.21 | adama | well like I said I had to repair grub, it was saying the partition table was invalid, presumably b'cos of the diff. size |
| 21:48.29 | jelly-home | enouf: windows xp complained; fdisk did warn; linux didn't care |
| 21:48.47 | wols | adama: create a partition on the new disk and dd the partition(s) over not disk |
| 21:49.06 | badiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.06 | badiane | yes it does. esp for recovery. If your filesystem uses say 4k blocks (bs=4k) then you'll want to set that to the same size or smaller, but not too small or performance will suck. If the disk is bad you'll want to set conv=sync,noerror or use dd_rescue which is much better for this kind of thing and will save you from having to babysit dd. (My understanding is that conv=sync,noerror zero fills each block its trying to read, then grabs th |
| 21:49.06 | badiane | e data. So if it can't read say the 5th byte then it will give up on the whole block and move on to the next. So if your bs=1MB then you'll lose a whole meg instead of just 4k less 5 bytes if you'd used bs=4k. So smaller is better, but not too small.) |
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| 21:49.53 | jelly-home | adama: huh. can you pastebin fdisk -l /dev/sda and sdb; and also for sdb after you zero the first sector? |
| 21:49.54 | adama | wols: that was going to by my next attempt |
| 21:50.17 | adama | jelly-home: sorry no I can't, I don't have the hardware here |
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| 21:50.39 | adama | jelly-home: how do I zero the first sector btw? |
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| 21:51.46 | jelly-home | adama: I guess it's possible that with differing geometry, grub reinstall could have written over existing filesystems |
| 21:51.51 | adama | well thanks guys for the discussion, I'll try jelly's method, I'll have to check what size blocks the partitions are using apparently |
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| 21:52.58 | jelly-home | adama: fdisk will show the geometry Linux detected; I don't know how to see the geometry detected by BIOS (and used by grub) |
| 21:53.12 | enouf | jelly-home: ahh,.. so, it was a completely non-unix FS .. that explains it, and that's not what i mean about geometry, though i can see how you took it that way - i meant the sectors per track layout, number of heads and platters and all, as with ZBR you will hardly ever get two drives using the same geometry, get it? But XPoop would use a bitmapped $MFT, and store it (a copy) usually at the end of the disk, in a hidden sector, as each cyli |
| 21:53.12 | enouf | has |
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| 21:53.41 | enouf | not what fdisk is reporting as CHS, which is all LBA anyway |
| 21:53.47 | badiane | adama: use sfdisk to transfer the partition sizes over to the new drive as long as it's not smaller |
| 21:54.11 | badiane | that's a very good way to copy partition sizes and geometry over to another drive |
| 21:54.45 | adama | I think I might try this g4u thing |
| 21:54.58 | enouf | sfdisk -d /dev/sda > partition.table ; sfdisk /dev/sdb < partition,table |
| 21:54.59 | jelly-home | enouf: actually, only the heads/sectors geometry matters in practice. if those two match, even windows (well, xp) won't complain about the dd-ed disk |
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| 21:55.35 | jelly-home | badiane: dd would have done that (with all the other data) |
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| 21:56.18 | Linux___ | hello when i open mp3 with audacioud crash |
| 21:56.22 | Linux___ | audacious* |
| 21:56.24 | badiane | jelly-home: yep. If he wants to use cp -ax he should use sfdisk first |
| 21:56.25 | Linux___ | http://rafb.net/p/rUgEdW76.html |
| 21:56.31 | adama | the drive contains a "Dell rescue partition" thing, 4GB swap, and 3 large ext3 pars |
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| 21:56.46 | jelly-home | adama: is it a laptop or an IBM or Compaq branded machine? |
| 21:56.52 | badiane | jelly-home: i think he should try to play around with the size |
| 21:56.57 | badiane | of the blocks |
| 21:56.57 | adama | they are laptop drives |
| 21:57.06 | scatterp | badiane, im here.. |
| 21:57.07 | adama | Dell laptop |
| 21:57.14 | badiane | scatterp:hey |
| 21:57.31 | badiane | scatterp: so you want other users to write to the partitions |
| 21:57.37 | adama | the drive does have the Dell diagnostics utility partition on it |
| 21:57.37 | scatterp | i was back earlyer but missed you in the channel |
| 21:57.42 | jelly-home | adama: I've seen laptops BIOSes use the somewhat unusual XXXX:240:63 style geometry |
| 21:57.44 | enouf | badiane: btw, just a fwiw - in debian, IINM, the newer revised dd, is known as the gddrescue pkg |
| 21:58.24 | jelly-home | adama: and desktop BIOSes typically assume YYYY:255:63 ("LBA") style geometry |
| 21:58.31 | badiane | enouf: I was looking at dd_rescue a while ago |
| 21:58.39 | badiane | enouf: thanks |
| 21:58.42 | enouf | dd_rescue + dd_rhelp went hand in hand, now the functionality is merged (plus more) into GNU's ddrescue, so named as gddrescue in debian |
| 21:58.52 | badiane | nice |
| 21:58.56 | enouf | indeed |
| 21:59.06 | buntfalke | Can someone recommend an application to make video calls between linux and mac which actually works and supports v4l2 devices? |
| 21:59.09 | Linux___ | http://rafb.net/p/rUgEdW76.html |
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| 21:59.22 | badiane | enouf: this is where I was reading it http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd |
| 21:59.28 | jelly-home | buntfalke: skype with that v4l2 wrapper driver? |
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| 21:59.41 | buntfalke | skype has native v4l2 support but i dont like it |
| 21:59.44 | enouf | badiane: debian still has the ddrescue pkg, but the maintainer in debian is the same - apt-cache show eachpkgname |
| 21:59.48 | badiane | scatterp: did you see my message |
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| 22:00.30 | scatterp | BaD-Laptop, depends which one your refering to |
| 22:00.40 | badiane | enouf: just looked. it is. |
| 22:00.40 | scatterp | badiane, depends which one your refering to |
| 22:00.58 | scatterp | badiane, i just want all users to read write everything as far as hds are conserned |
| 22:01.03 | badiane | scatterp: the ntfs parts |
| 22:01.07 | scatterp | no |
| 22:01.19 | badiane | scatterp: how are your users accessing the parts |
| 22:01.34 | scatterp | there not thats the issue |
| 22:01.40 | scatterp | im the only user really |
| 22:01.47 | badiane | ok |
| 22:01.49 | scatterp | but the point is i want to enable system wide access |
| 22:02.00 | frosty | hello, i'm using dreamlinux (a debian derivative) and was wondering how I would do internet connection sharing. I have a linux box receiving internet via wireless and an ethernet pci card connecting my xbox and pc...I just would like to get wired internet to the xbox |
| 22:02.03 | badiane | that's what I'm asking about |
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| 22:02.16 | badiane | simultaneous |
| 22:02.19 | frosty | my friend said that I should try squid...but i really can't get the tutorial he gave me working :( |
| 22:02.21 | frosty | any ideas? |
| 22:02.38 | scatterp | badiane, just like in windows xp all users have access to all drives... |
| 22:02.45 | scatterp | badiane, there auto mounted |
| 22:02.49 | badiane | group |
| 22:03.04 | badiane | do all of them belong to the same group |
| 22:03.26 | scatterp | no root is group 0 and my user is group 1000 so i guess not |
| 22:03.42 | adama | frosty: setup dhcp3-server and IP forwarding with NAT |
| 22:04.31 | badiane | users get their own id but if group is also different then you have a problem unless you allow other to do the same things as group |
| 22:04.31 | enouf | those dell utility partitions are nasty, and fat16 usually (fat32 sometimes?) anyways, here's a nice older bug to be (possibly) aware of when confronting a Vista system; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=380226 |
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| 22:05.06 | adama | enouf: there's no Windoze on the drive |
| 22:05.07 | scatterp | badiane, i basicly have a fresh install of debian here and want all users to have r/w/e access |
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| 22:05.10 | frosty | adama, i'm an ubuntu user for the past year..so, i'm going to need someone to hold my hand throught this one :P |
| 22:05.11 | badiane | scatterp: do you as the user have all the access that you need |
| 22:05.15 | adama | not sure what FS the dell thing is |
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| 22:05.30 | scatterp | badiane, no the drives are not mounted at all.. |
| 22:05.35 | frosty | adama: what is the first thing i have to do? |
| 22:05.38 | enouf | adama: is started out as such, yeah? |
| 22:05.42 | amphi | jelly-home: I was looking for something I read that explained why cp was faster in many cases than dd, but I didn't find it |
| 22:06.07 | adama | enouf: yes but never even booted vista :) smacked that bitch right off of there |
| 22:06.17 | adama | frosty: apt-get install dhcp3-server |
| 22:06.23 | enouf | amphi: i've been told by some in here; the reason is, cp will automatically match the kernels page size (4096K or 4M) |
| 22:06.33 | frosty | adama, i'm going to be running up and down the stairs so give me a sec. |
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| 22:06.40 | adama | oh |
| 22:06.48 | scatterp | adama, by the way vista has a linux kernel just fyi |
| 22:07.06 | adama | GPL? |
| 22:07.20 | scatterp | adama i dont know more details i used vista a while i liked it |
| 22:07.26 | enouf | adama: if you read the bug, youd find out eventually (i know it's long) that vista used a start sector of 2048, not 63 .. but i'm speculating, but it's possible |
| 22:07.30 | scatterp | adama, need a high end machine thru |
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| 22:07.35 | jelly-home | scatterp: please don't troll. |
| 22:08.18 | scatterp | jelly-home, i dont see how thats trolling |
| 22:08.32 | jelly-home | [00:06] <scatterp> adama, by the way vista has a linux kernel just fyi |
| 22:08.33 | scatterp | jelly-home, he mentioned linux and i just passed on suplemental info |
| 22:08.35 | enouf | so, it's possible with your dell diagnostics partition remaining, you really didn't clear that disk information - again, i'm speculating |
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| 22:08.48 | enouf | it is the 1st partition, right? |
| 22:08.49 | scatterp | jelly-home, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll |
| 22:08.56 | adama | enouf:yes |
| 22:09.03 | amphi | enouf: ah, perhaps that was it ;) |
| 22:09.22 | scatterp | jelly-home, anyway i wont discuss vista further your welcome to your opinion argueing about it would be off topic |
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| 22:09.49 | avu | scatterp, saying that you were trolling when you said vista has a linux kernel has nothing to do with opinion :) |
| 22:10.46 | scatterp | avu ok well who knows perhaps i am guilty lets not compound it i have no wish to "troll" |
| 22:10.46 | adama | enouf: so.... that means I would need to have somekind of begin-sector=2048 or something in my dd command? |
| 22:11.20 | jelly-home | scatterp: that line looks very trollis, begging for a correction from potential troll victims. That said, I'm dropping the issue. |
| 22:11.26 | enouf | adama: well, i would suggest the inverse, such as wiping that partition .. but - i really think you should check, i don't think it's the case, but a remote possibility |
| 22:11.40 | scatterp | badiane, you still with me ? |
| 22:11.47 | enouf | adama: fdisk -lu , or any of the disk utils should tell you |
| 22:11.56 | badiane | yep |
| 22:12.00 | badiane | just looking up your error |
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| 22:12.14 | scatterp | badiane, ok cool thanks for the help (its appreciated) |
| 22:12.22 | badiane | no prob |
| 22:12.23 | adama | enouf: The drives are at home on the kitchen table :( |
| 22:12.41 | enouf | adama: ok, atleast you're loaded with info now ;-) |
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| 22:14.54 | adama | enouf: yep, thanks! I may be back |
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| 22:18.18 | badiane | scatterp: when you do a straight mount on the cli what do you get |
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| 22:18.49 | scatterp | a list of drives not includeing the ones that failed to mount |
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| 22:19.44 | Linus_Torvalds | what do i need to play asx files? |
| 22:19.55 | rsk | Linus_Torvalds, mplayer should do fine |
| 22:19.59 | scatterp | badiane, http://pastebin.com/f7ec22bba |
| 22:20.14 | rsk | Linus_Torvalds, first flasn in suse now this :P |
| 22:20.23 | Linus_Torvalds | rsk thanks ^^ |
| 22:20.36 | Linus_Torvalds | rsk yes dont remind me |
| 22:21.06 | Linus_Torvalds | been real lazy lately |
| 22:21.34 | jelly-home | using a name of a living person as a nick might be less than appropriate, Linus_Torvalds |
| 22:21.46 | jelly-home | /nick Amy_Winehouse |
| 22:21.56 | Linus_Torvalds | oh damn richard stallman after be brb |
| 22:21.56 | frosty | adama, ok....done...now what? |
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| 22:22.21 | graytron | jelly-home: what if your name was Linus_Torvalds? |
| 22:22.40 | jelly-home | is pretty sure Linus could fuckin figure out about playing wma files himself |
| 22:22.56 | adama | frosty: ok... your debian-ish box is on the 'net right? You can get on IRC from command line you know |
| 22:22.58 | rsk | jelly-home: no wayyyyyyy :D |
| 22:23.05 | adama | you need to pastebin some stuff |
| 22:23.11 | frosty | adama: from command line? |
| 22:23.17 | frosty | adama, i was just going to use mibbit.com |
| 22:23.19 | Linus_Torvalds | i need to right some code to help out gnome brb |
| 22:23.22 | adama | frosty: yes |
| 22:23.23 | jelly-home | graytron: it's not |
| 22:23.24 | Linus_Torvalds | write* oops |
| 22:23.29 | frosty | adama, just tryingto do a couple of things at once. |
| 22:23.42 | adama | ok sure, I was thinking it had no display env. |
| 22:23.43 | graytron | jelly-home :) |
| 22:23.55 | frosty | adama, i'll go log on to mibbit.com...one sec |
| 22:23.58 | frosty | please * |
| 22:24.00 | adama | frosty: ok |
| 22:24.53 | enouf | haha @ Linus_Torvalds .. you suck |
| 22:25.15 | enouf | this troll was just in another channel |
| 22:28.34 | frosty | adama: mibbit is banned from this channel.... |
| 22:28.40 | frosty | adama, uh..installing xchat.. |
| 22:28.51 | adama | frosty: hehh ok |
| 22:29.38 | adama | frosty: I'm using irssi - command-line IRC client, running inside a screen session so it stays connected and I can access it over ssh from anywhere |
| 22:29.46 | enouf | it should be banned, that mibbit thing sucks ass |
| 22:29.59 | frosty | adama: not that it matters....but how long do you think this will take? |
| 22:30.33 | adama | well once we get going it could be done within 5 minutes |
| 22:30.42 | enouf | !tell frosty about pastebin pipe |
| 22:31.44 | frosty | enouf, y? |
| 22:31.56 | frosty | I use pastebin.com for my url's usually |
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| 22:32.20 | frosty | not url's , code* / output |
| 22:32.45 | frosty | adama: k |
| 22:33.38 | adama | frosty: pastebin me the output of ifconfig, including both interfaces (wired and wireless) and /etc/network/interfaces, and .../etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
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| 22:35.28 | frosty | adama: it's preparing packages :P |
| 22:35.35 | giusef_ | Hi all, I installed debian etch from DVD, but it seems that in my sources.list there are only security repositories... why? |
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| 22:40.16 | haole | hey there... i can't install nvidia drivers on lenny... the wiki's guide fails to me... the .deb packages that i download from the given link won't get their dependencies resolved by apt-get or aptitude... what do i do? |
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| 22:40.32 | badiane | scatterp: are these drives used under windows also? Is this a dualboot? |
| 22:40.39 | frosty2 | adama: ok...shoot |
| 22:40.46 | scatterp | yes dual boot |
| 22:41.00 | adama | frosty: frosty: pastebin me the output of ifconfig, including both interfaces (wired and wireless) and /etc/network/interfaces, and .../etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 22:41.27 | badiane | scatterp: from what I've read, windows will tag the drives if it feels that they weren't cleanly mounted and ntfs-3g will bitch about that |
| 22:41.51 | scatterp | yeah i think i need to force them to mount |
| 22:41.56 | badiane | scatterp:The Reason: Windows flags a disk as in use when it accesses it, and removes the flag once the disk has been safely removed or the PC shut down. |
| 22:41.59 | scatterp | maybe thats what im missing some how |
| 22:42.06 | badiane | scatterp: the force may not work from what I've read |
| 22:42.18 | scatterp | ok |
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| 22:42.34 | scatterp | should we try it ? |
| 22:42.34 | badiane | scatterp: Solution: Boot the disk up with Windows, and as it says, either safely remove, or cleanly shut down the machine. |
| 22:42.42 | badiane | yep |
| 22:42.50 | scatterp | my windows for somereason wont cleanly shutdown |
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| 22:43.24 | haole | hey there... i can't install nvidia drivers on lenny... the wiki's guide fails to me... the .deb packages that i download from the given link won't get their dependencies resolved by apt-get or aptitude... what do i do? |
| 22:44.03 | badiane | scatterp: that may be the the source of your problem. It's leaving the drives as "in use" and ntfs-3g is not having it |
| 22:44.23 | badiane | scatterp: have you tried to boot the machine in safe mode and shutdown |
| 22:44.42 | scatterp | no ill give that a try at some point |
| 22:44.47 | scatterp | let me try this force option |
| 22:44.49 | scatterp | one sec |
| 22:44.57 | badiane | ok |
| 22:45.15 | adama | frosty2: status! |
| 22:45.30 | frosty2 | adama: my wifi thing just fell down...sorry |
| 22:45.36 | adama | ah |
| 22:46.17 | scatterp | ahh that fixed it badiane |
| 22:46.20 | frosty2 | adama: ifconfig --> http://pastebin.com/d439f92ff |
| 22:46.30 | badiane | ok |
| 22:46.31 | scatterp | badiane, now there mounted the only issue is user wide access now |
| 22:46.48 | badiane | you have to have a common group or allow rwx for other |
| 22:46.59 | frosty2 | adama: how do i do the other 2? |
| 22:47.14 | adama | frosty2: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:47.26 | adama | frosty2: cat /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 22:47.29 | frosty2 | k |
| 22:47.30 | scatterp | ahh thats fixed too |
| 22:47.36 | scatterp | thanks dude! |
| 22:47.40 | badiane | no prob |
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| 22:47.51 | badiane | you may want to look into autfs later when you have the time |
| 22:48.26 | scatterp | ok |
| 22:48.41 | badiane | I meant autofs |
| 22:49.20 | frosty2 | adama, i think i did something wrong --> http://pastebin.com/d7f198825 |
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| 22:50.15 | scatterp | does any one know the best emulator to use to boot my raw xp partition from i would like to support some old directx 9 games idealy and run some standard apps (word etc) |
| 22:50.19 | adama | frosty2 how do you manage your wireless adapter on that box? networkmanager? |
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| 22:51.41 | frosty | adama, nm-applet |
| 22:51.46 | frosty | adama, its a gui interface |
| 22:52.02 | frosty | adama, in the top right corner sort of like network manager |
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| 22:52.15 | tguard | can someone try to open www.dl.ed.gov in konqueror, then with iceweasel? |
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| 22:52.31 | adama | frosty: yep sure. no worries |
| 22:52.42 | adama | frosty: http://pastebin.com/m1b08c665 |
| 22:52.46 | frosty | adama, then do you want me to do the other command? |
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| 22:52.59 | adama | frosty: edit that file interfaces and add that stanza |
| 22:53.20 | adama | frosty: yes please, dhcpd.conf is next |
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| 22:54.12 | Firefishe | Where does debian keep it's firmware files for wireless cards? |
| 22:54.22 | frosty | adama, i'll run down and do the other...but, do i just edit it like: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:54.32 | frosty | adama, once i figure out the default text editor for this distro |
| 22:54.35 | scatterp | www.dl.ed.gov opened in iceweasel |
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| 22:55.11 | adama | frosty: ummmm nano would definitely work, you may be able to get a graphical editor to work as root with sudo... |
| 22:55.28 | frosty | adama, k |
| 22:55.28 | adama | I would do: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:55.53 | frosty | aha it uses mousepad |
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| 22:56.28 | Firefishe | Where does debian keep it's firmware files for wireless cards? |
| 22:57.03 | _stack | /lib/firmware |
| 22:57.16 | Firefishe | thanks, _stack |
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| 22:57.19 | _stack | np |
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| 22:57.31 | tguard | i get redirected to the secure site. but konqueror then says "could not connect to host" and iceweasel complained that the security cert. belongs to opendns. |
| 22:57.50 | tguard | but i just tried again and iceweasel opened it without a problem. |
| 22:57.54 | tguard | scatterp: |
| 22:57.55 | frosty2 | adama, ok...last command now |
| 22:58.22 | scatterp | tguard, ? |
| 22:58.35 | flower | Hi I want to make a realtime kernel... do menu config and change: |
| 22:58.39 | flower | Processor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption (Real-Time)) |
| 22:58.44 | tguard | scatterp: sorry, i meant to type "thanks" |
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| 22:58.52 | flower | and Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ) |
| 22:58.54 | adama | frosty: you got that file edited and saved?, now we need to modify dhcpd.conf |
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| 22:59.08 | scatterp | np |
| 22:59.09 | frosty2 | adama, http://pastebin.com/d99676de |
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| 23:00.13 | frosty2 | adama, diagnosis doctor? |
| 23:00.34 | adama | frosty2: needs work |
| 23:01.26 | adama | frosty2: first you need to fill in the option domain-name and option domain-name-servers lines |
| 23:01.41 | frosty2 | how so? |
| 23:01.49 | adama | domain-name can be whatever you want |
| 23:01.58 | adama | e/g/ mine at home is "doop" :) |
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| 23:02.34 | adama | domain-name-servers should be whatever your debian-ish box has in the file /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:02.48 | adama | probably 192.168.1.1 |
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| 23:03.56 | frosty2 | first part is done |
| 23:04.08 | tuxx | quit |
| 23:04.14 | frosty2 | now i do cat /etc/resolv.conf to see the domain-name-servers |
| 23:04.17 | frosty2 | ? |
| 23:04.23 | adama | right |
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| 23:05.19 | frosty2 | adama, 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:05.22 | lfs | How to get gnash to work with youtube? |
| 23:05.26 | frosty2 | adama, where do i put that |
| 23:05.27 | frosty2 | ? |
| 23:05.28 | m0 | Does anyone have experience with psybnc? |
| 23:05.45 | frosty2 | i have 2 of them right now... |
| 23:06.04 | adama | frosty2: hmmm, that doesn't sound right |
| 23:06.20 | adama | frosty2: your wireless IP is 192.168.1.3 |
| 23:06.31 | adama | DNS server should be on the same subnet, generally |
| 23:06.43 | adama | unless you are on yet another private network |
| 23:06.46 | samplr | how can I "move" /usr to another partition while things are running? I know what has to be done is a umount then a mount (retaining file handles), then a copy, but I'm not sure how to actually do it |
| 23:06.55 | adama | does "ping 192.168.0.1" work? |
| 23:06.56 | frosty | adama, i have an odd setup...my wireless is behind a wired network that handles the dhcp |
| 23:07.09 | frosty | if that affects anything |
| 23:07.10 | adama | ok then that's reasonable :) |
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| 23:07.16 | adama | nope, makes sense now |
| 23:07.29 | frosty | sweet. |
| 23:07.43 | m0 | I am having trouble with psybnc on debian, when I connect, I can join channels. But I can't part once I join |
| 23:07.52 | m0 | If I reconnect, the parted channels appear again |
| 23:07.53 | Lectus | Help! I can't change my themes in gnome. It does change the shapes but not the colors. Any idea? |
| 23:08.03 | m0 | I am checking the psybnc.conf and the channels are still there |
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| 23:08.17 | adama | frosty2: so yeah put option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1 in dhcpd.conf |
| 23:08.20 | lfs | I installed gnash but it doesn't work on youtube?????? |
| 23:08.24 | frosty | Lectus, di you restart the session? ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 23:08.37 | Lectus | yes, already tried that |
| 23:08.38 | frosty | adama, in place of the other two? |
| 23:08.43 | frosty | adama, how so? |
| 23:08.53 | Lectus | it seems gtk-theme-switch messed things up |
| 23:08.53 | frosty | Lectus, sorry then..that's all i got :P |
| 23:08.58 | adama | frosty: yes instead of the example |
| 23:09.10 | adama | you will just have one DNS server, the example has 2 |
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| 23:10.03 | adama | next, we add in the subnets |
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| 23:10.35 | m0 | Does anyone h ave an idea what would go wrong? |
| 23:10.44 | frosty | adama, wait! i have to book it down the stairs again.. |
| 23:10.55 | adama | alright! |
| 23:11.14 | adama | don't fall |
| 23:11.25 | adama | and leave me hanging ... |
| 23:11.35 | frosty2 | got it |
| 23:11.49 | frosty2 | subnets? |
| 23:11.53 | adama | ok\ |
| 23:12.14 | adama | uncomment that empty subnet declaration, and fill in the correct IPs |
| 23:12.14 | lfs | So like does gnash work with youtube?????????????????????? |
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| 23:12.33 | frosty | adama, what are the correct ips? |
| 23:12.34 | adama | subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { \n } |
| 23:12.46 | adama | that is for your wireless network |
| 23:12.51 | frosty | do i need the { \n }? |
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| 23:13.08 | adama | it is empty so dhcpd will not give out addresses to that address |
| 23:13.25 | adama | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.56 | frosty | so that is intentional :) |
| 23:14.29 | adama | yep just so I don't have to post in the channel twice |
| 23:14.46 | unlink | is there any way to publish limited access apt repositories, e.g. with HTTP AUTH or similar, without using a VPN or using IP-address based access controls? |
| 23:15.07 | adama | frosty: now the subnet for the xbox |
| 23:15.36 | adama | frosty: subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { |
| 23:16.03 | frosty2 | adama, hold on |
| 23:16.07 | frosty2 | adama, i just hurt myself |
| 23:16.11 | adama | frosty: range 10.0.0.5 10.0.0.10 |
| 23:16.19 | frosty2 | there is this gate to keep my dog out..and i just completely biffed. |
| 23:16.26 | adama | frosty2: you didn't fall down the stairs did you |
| 23:16.41 | frosty2 | adama, no. tried to hop a gate instead of stepping over ti. |
| 23:16.43 | frosty2 | it* |
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| 23:17.01 | adama | frosty2: hope you're OK, take a breather |
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| 23:17.12 | frosty2 | maybe you can teach me how to jump after this. |
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| 23:17.49 | frosty2 | ok |
| 23:17.50 | frosty2 | i'm good |
| 23:18.13 | frosty2 | sweet |
| 23:18.14 | frosty2 | let's do this |
| 23:18.15 | adama | ok, glad to hear it :) |
| 23:18.19 | frosty2 | thx] |
| 23:18.35 | adama | so we're half done this subnet declaration |
| 23:18.44 | adama | you have the range line? |
| 23:18.48 | frosty2 | adama, actually...i haven't done it yet |
| 23:18.55 | frosty2 | i'm still confused. |
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| 23:19.04 | frosty2 | that first line...put it in there exactly with the brackets ,etc? |
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| 23:19.24 | adama | frosty2: no, it's on 2 lines, and don't put the \n |
| 23:19.42 | adama | just like lines 32 and 33 on your pastebin |
| 23:19.56 | adama | but without the hashes (#) - they are comments |
| 23:20.07 | frosty2 | adama, i don't know if i'm doing this right....could you just repastebin that? |
| 23:20.36 | frosty2 | i'm not thinking clearly... |
| 23:20.40 | frosty2 | thank you gate! |
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| 23:22.38 | frosty | adama, or do you want me to try? I can.. |
| 23:22.41 | frosty | ? |
| 23:22.55 | adama | frosty2: we'll skip that for now. I'll get you to pastebin it again when we're done and I'll correct it |
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| 23:23.08 | frosty | adama: k |
| 23:23.32 | frosty | adama: what is left to do? |
| 23:23.36 | adama | frosty: subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { |
| 23:23.43 | adama | the subnet for the xbox |
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| 23:23.48 | frosty | that is what i don't understand. |
| 23:24.08 | frosty | i'm really sorry. |
| 23:24.14 | frosty | give me a minute to sort these windows out. |
| 23:24.19 | adama | ok |
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| 23:27.40 | frosty | so basically i haven't edited anything since the first step |
| 23:27.53 | adama | ok |
| 23:28.17 | frosty | can we start from there? or is this the part where i get banned from this channel? |
| 23:28.23 | adama | you have edited the domain-name-servers line? |
| 23:28.27 | adama | and domain-name line |
| 23:28.32 | frosty | yes |
| 23:28.35 | frosty | after that...nothing |
| 23:28.38 | adama | ok |
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| 23:28.53 | adama | subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { |
| 23:28.54 | adama | } |
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| 23:29.54 | frosty2 | ok this goes on line 32? |
| 23:30.30 | adama | correct. Uncomment those 2 lines and change the IPs |
| 23:31.18 | frosty2 | done. |
| 23:31.20 | frosty2 | next? |
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| 23:31.46 | adama | now lines 37 to 40 |
| 23:31.49 | frosty2 | k |
| 23:31.54 | adama | subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { |
| 23:31.58 | adama | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.01 | adama | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.04 | adama | } |
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| 23:33.25 | adama | and that's it. |
| 23:33.36 | adama | frosty2: should look like http://pastebin.com/d14c373dc |
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| 23:34.06 | frosty2 | done. |
| 23:34.07 | adama | so save that file, then we have some more commands to run |
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| 23:34.42 | adama | ok |
| 23:34.43 | adama | now |
| 23:34.51 | adama | do: sudo ifdown eth0 |
| 23:34.57 | adama | then: sudo ifup eth0 |
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| 23:35.10 | adama | any errors? |
| 23:35.28 | frosty2 | adama, don't think so, but could i just copy and paste anyway to double check? |
| 23:35.41 | adama | frosty2: ok |
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| 23:36.26 | adama | frosty2: actually do sudo ifconfig, and ensure that eth0 has UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST and inet addr:10.0.0.1 |
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| 23:37.35 | frosty2 | adama, http://pastebin.com/d61caf142 |
| 23:37.40 | lfs | Anybody here know about gnash? |
| 23:37.45 | lfs | Can it be used with youtube? |
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| 23:38.02 | shifty | how can i use all of my 4gb ram? i installed linux and after it i see under htop mem 2000mb |
| 23:38.10 | frosty2 | lfs, in my experience...not well |
| 23:38.23 | frosty2 | lfs, adobe's flash is the best bet |
| 23:38.27 | lfs | So how do you youtube? |
| 23:38.33 | adama | frosty2: you did sudo ifup eth0 ? |
| 23:38.38 | frosty2 | no |
| 23:38.41 | TehMarz | lfs: It can. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ - under "Streaming Video". |
| 23:38.41 | frosty2 | sudo ifconfig |
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| 23:38.59 | frosty2 | adama, i'll try sudo ifup etho |
| 23:38.59 | lfs | WEll I installed it but no video |
| 23:39.13 | adama | frosty2: do sudo ifdown eth0, then sudo ifup eth0, then sudo ifconfig |
| 23:39.27 | TehMarz | Why does removing gnome-games mean removing gnome-desktop-environment? That seems a little crazy. |
| 23:39.37 | lfs | I need it to kick the MS windows habit. |
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| 23:39.56 | simonrvn | TehMarz: it's just meta-packages |
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| 23:40.19 | TehMarz | simonrvn: What does that mean? (slight noob) |
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| 23:40.35 | frosty2 | adama, http://pastebin.com/d1e9eddf5 |
| 23:40.41 | simonrvn | they don't have much in them, they just pull in other packages |
| 23:40.48 | simonrvn | !meta-package |
| 23:40.51 | adama | frosty2: excellent! |
| 23:40.53 | simonrvn | !meta package |
| 23:41.00 | frosty2 | adama, !?!?!!!??! |
| 23:41.01 | lfs | Don't you guys youtube? |
| 23:41.08 | frosty2 | nice work! |
| 23:41.15 | frosty2 | gracias amigo |
| 23:41.21 | simonrvn | no i don't youtube, i go see videos on youtube |
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| 23:41.35 | adama | frosty2: now, do sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start |
| 23:41.35 | lfs | Using Debian? |
| 23:42.02 | frosty2 | adama, done |
| 23:42.05 | TehMarz | simonrvn: So it's safe to remove gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 23:42.09 | frosty2 | adama, can we make it do that automatically? |
| 23:42.15 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:42.22 | frosty2 | adama, on startup? |
| 23:42.24 | lfs | Now that I have wine working, I just need video and kiss VISTA goodbye |
| 23:42.24 | simonrvn | lfs: of course |
| 23:42.25 | frosty2 | oh wait. |
| 23:42.33 | frosty2 | it does already hence the /etc/init.d/ folder? |
| 23:42.44 | lfs | pokerstars works great on wine. |
| 23:43.01 | frosty2 | adama, am i right? |
| 23:43.07 | simonrvn | needs food |
| 23:43.11 | adama | frosty2: no |
| 23:43.29 | frosty2 | adama, sweet :) |
| 23:43.41 | frosty2 | adama, can we make it start on startup then? |
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| 23:43.56 | adama | frosty2: the fact that it's in /etc/init.d/ means it CAN be configured to run automatically ad various runlevels, but it may or may not be so configured by default |
| 23:44.04 | TehMarz | When I installed Diablo 2 with Wine, whenever I tried to run it, it would just go to the login screen. Any idea why? |
| 23:44.23 | frosty2 | adama, so we manually have to do that... |
| 23:44.31 | adama | frosty2: possibly |
| 23:44.51 | pingouin | TehMarz: did you check the winehq about this game ? |
| 23:45.13 | adama | frosty2: the command would be: sudo update-rc.d dhcp3-server defaults 99 |
| 23:45.25 | adama | frosty2: go ahead and do that |
| 23:45.34 | TehMarz | pingouin: Yeah. It said platinum, or silver with upgrade. |
| 23:45.45 | TehMarz | *expansion |
| 23:45.55 | adama | frosty2: anyways, the XBOX should be able to get an IP address now |
| 23:45.58 | frosty2 | adama, it says it already exists. |
| 23:46.04 | frosty2 | k |
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| 23:46.21 | adama | frosty2: ok then, it set itself up to start automatically |
| 23:46.34 | pingouin | TehMarz: what is your wine version ? |
| 23:46.54 | adama | frosty2: I'm not familiar with xbox, can it get an IP? |
| 23:47.14 | frosty2 | this one should |
| 23:47.22 | frosty2 | at least that is what i've been told |
| 23:47.28 | adama | we still have 2 more commands to run on the debian-ish box, before it will act as a gateway |
| 23:47.39 | lfs | So how does youtube work on Debian? Or does it? |
| 23:47.50 | frosty2 | but, i'll brb...i'll get on the xbox mod's irc channel |
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| 23:49.00 | simonrvn | lfs: it works. i use flashplugin-nonfree; a recent gnash will also work, i hear |
| 23:49.47 | simonrvn | !flash |
| 23:49.48 | dpkg | i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 23:49.49 | TehMarz | pingouin: 0.9.25-2.1 |
| 23:49.59 | simonrvn | !gnash |
| 23:49.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch> |
| 23:51.08 | frosty2 | adama, the menu says it has no ip |
| 23:51.19 | frosty2 | adama, the 100 people in their irc channel are idle :) |
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| 23:52.06 | pingouin | TehMarz: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 23:52.31 | mohadib | can anyone explain the sytax of "ButtonMapping" from xorg.conf |
| 23:52.38 | frosty2 | adama, uh i'm in its menu is it automatic dhcp or static? |
| 23:52.40 | mohadib | say i wanted button 9 to map to button 2 |
| 23:52.48 | adama | frosty2: automatically |
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| 23:53.48 | frosty2 | adama, huh....so what we did is working right? |
| 23:53.57 | adama | frosty2: you may want to restart it or something, to force it to request an address |
| 23:54.05 | frosty2 | i just turned it on.. |
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| 23:54.34 | adama | frosty2: if the xbox gets an address like 10.0.0.5 we are good so far |
| 23:54.59 | pingouin | TehMarz: are you running Debian Gnu/Linux Etch ? |
| 23:55.53 | TehMarz | pingouin: Yeah. 4.0. |
| 23:56.03 | frosty2 | adama, nothing |
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| 23:56.33 | pingouin | TehMarz: so, maybe try to upgrade your wine version, there is 1.0 in the backports (url above) |
| 23:56.52 | adama | frosty2: it's all hooked up with ethernet right? link lights on? |
| 23:57.02 | frosty2 | as far as i can tell |
| 23:57.07 | adama | frosty2: run this: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 23:57.46 | adama | frosty2: it should tell you when the XBOX requests an IP |
| 23:59.41 | frosty2 | adama, in the network settings.......it says current ip: no link |
| 23:59.47 | frosty2 | ---> in xbox settings |
