| 00:01.26 | Lagbolt | Achilles, did you use b43-fwcutter? it should install it for you |
| 00:01.31 | dutchfish | themill, about HPET & ACPI 9i liked this one) http://www.intel.com/hardwaredesign/hpetspec_1.pdf |
| 00:01.39 | Achilles | no i did not i just have the firmware |
| 00:01.51 | Achilles | i remember that there was a command to install it |
| 00:02.00 | Achilles | it puts it in a specific folder to make it work |
| 00:02.08 | Lagbolt | Achilles, using bcm43xx, b43 or ndiswrapper? |
| 00:02.18 | themill | dutchfish: that looks far too heavy for 0100. |
| 00:02.19 | Achilles | bcm43xx |
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| 00:02.37 | abrotman | so just install/run the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 00:03.04 | Lagbolt | Achilles, yeah bcm43xx-fwcutter, i think it goes to /lib/firmware |
| 00:03.14 | Achilles | ok but is there a command to manually do that? |
| 00:03.26 | dutchfish | themill, you can skip th emost but at page >30 it becomes intresting |
| 00:03.40 | Lagbolt | lol yeah that is the command Achilles |
| 00:03.59 | squisher | wandana, you need to change the default priority that it asks for... don't remember how to set this, but check man dpkg-reconfigure for what I'm talking about |
| 00:04.02 | Achilles | no , there was a command that places the firmware to that lib/firmware folder |
| 00:04.05 | Lagbolt | Achilles, bcm43xx-fwcutter firmwarefile i believe |
| 00:04.09 | Achilles | without using the cutter |
| 00:04.23 | SerajewelKS | Achilles: yeah, mv |
| 00:04.36 | Lagbolt | without? did you just get a copy of someones already installed firmware and you just want to put it somewhere? |
| 00:04.38 | wandana | Thank you squisher |
| 00:04.41 | Achilles | ok yeah thanks so much serajeweLKs!!!!:) |
| 00:05.34 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 00:05.35 | husimon | hey, how can I find what are in the "standard system" group in the installer choice? |
| 00:06.35 | husimon | this box is going to only be an nfs server |
| 00:06.58 | dutchfish | themill, at first glance HPET, numa, nanosleep the new ACPI can be taunting, but its a world of difference in a good way |
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| 00:07.26 | dutchfish | themill, not to forget RT |
| 00:07.37 | SerajewelKS | yeah once again ##kernel is helpfully silent |
| 00:08.02 | peterS | husimon: aptitude search '~pstandard | ~pimportant | ~prequired' |
| 00:08.06 | themill | dutchfish: too tired... another day... I do realtime on dedicated boards in assembler still /me =>bed |
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| 00:08.21 | dutchfish | themill, me too, gnight |
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| 00:09.30 | Serajewe1KS | yeah once again ##kernel is helpfully silent |
| 00:11.12 | cloakable | does anyone know where I can get a list of options I can pass to the kernel on Etch? |
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| 00:12.04 | peterS | there is a kernel command line howto out there somewhere, giyf |
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| 00:14.23 | husimon | peterS, that's it? |
| 00:14.59 | peterS | husimon: I believe so. it shows 236 packages on my system |
| 00:15.38 | husimon | how do you know those 3 tags = "standard system" ? |
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| 00:16.40 | husimon | so I guess pstandard are the things that are added when you select standard vs nothing |
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| 00:17.24 | husimon | meh, nothing in that list looks very useful for a fileserver |
| 00:18.02 | husimon | hmm |
| 00:18.10 | CalJohn | I have a lot of music in mp3 files (200gb +) and I have run into problems with MPD; there is a playlist limit of ~16k tracks. Can anyone else recommend me a really fast player that has a "music library" type function? (amarok is far too slow) |
| 00:18.12 | husimon | i wonder what the priority file for "file server" is |
| 00:18.25 | husimon | CalJohn, itunes ;P |
| 00:18.27 | husimon | jk |
| 00:18.28 | peterS | husimon: well, I think 'standard system' is defined as a system with all the packages installed that mark themselves as "Priority: standard" and higher. higher means "important" or "required". that is where I got the search from |
| 00:18.47 | husimon | CalJohn, I had the same problem with amarok, you can try banshee |
| 00:18.59 | abrotman | husimon: you can use tasksel to show you the packages |
| 00:19.09 | peterS | husimon: the idea of priority standard historically meant "applications that a Unix guru would expect to find on any Unix system and would wonder about if they were not there" |
| 00:19.15 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not for Standard though |
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| 00:19.26 | husimon | abrotman, well now i'm wondering what's in the "file server" package |
| 00:19.27 | abrotman | nerp |
| 00:19.27 | peterS | it does not necessarily track very well with what most people want in a file server, specifically |
| 00:19.41 | abrotman | husimon: tasksel --task-packages file-server |
| 00:19.46 | azurite | CalJohn: ive always preferred mp3blaster for music. it runs from console with no flashy gui but give it a chance and it will grow on you |
| 00:19.57 | husimon | oh thanks |
| 00:19.59 | CalJohn | husimon: hmmm...banshee does not look like the kind of thing that is small and fast |
| 00:20.07 | CalJohn | azurite: i used to use ncmpc, i might like it, ty |
| 00:20.10 | husimon | CalJohn, I have also seen a neat web based one |
| 00:20.14 | peterS | azurite: mp3blaster is all very well but moc seems nicer |
| 00:20.23 | husimon | that you organize your music in, and then you just connect to it |
| 00:20.32 | azurite | peterS: im not familiar with moc. i will check it out thanks |
| 00:20.41 | peterS | moc is client/server, which is nice if you're too lazy to run your music player in 'screen' |
| 00:20.51 | azurite | excellent |
| 00:21.03 | CalJohn | husimon: those kind of over-complicated things and invariably scale badly. I have 50,000 files |
| 00:21.14 | SerajewelKS | i love how people want something "small and fast" to manage "200gb of music" |
| 00:21.24 | SerajewelKS | banshee is fast enough |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | yay mono! |
| 00:21.37 | husimon | CalJohn, it hurts me to say this but the only client i've found that works well with my 160gb of music is itunes |
| 00:21.37 | Wyzard | uses quodlibet for music |
| 00:21.39 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: you probably should file a bug against mpd to adjust that limit, since there really shouldn't be an arbitrary one |
| 00:21.41 | azurite | peterS: do you prefer moc over mp3blaster solely for the client/server model? |
| 00:21.42 | Wyzard | excellent tag support |
| 00:21.43 | SerajewelKS | or use mpg123 and vim |
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| 00:21.53 | fr00g | hi, to count the percentage usage of cpu idle(from /peoc/stat)... i should (100*idle)/(system+user+nice+idle) ? or am i doing something wrong? |
| 00:21.53 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: sarcasm? |
| 00:22.00 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: well, if you're sure, i will try it, but amarok is insanely slow, and supposedly amarok is a faster player |
| 00:22.00 | peterS | azurite: I dunno, I tried mp3blaster a long time ago and couldn't really get into it. I tried moc much more recently and liked it a lot |
| 00:22.09 | peterS | azurite: I haven't exactly compared them side by side |
| 00:22.18 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: make sure you are using 1.0 and not the old shit |
| 00:22.19 | azurite | ok |
| 00:22.24 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: i think it is due to the m3u playlist they use internally |
| 00:22.26 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: 1.0 is tons faster than most managers i have used |
| 00:22.34 | azurite | amarok is a bit bloated |
| 00:22.49 | husimon | i mean you could use xmms |
| 00:22.51 | SerajewelKS | ColdFyre: they even wrote a custom widget for the list to improve performance |
| 00:22.51 | azurite | quite the hog as far as linux apps go |
| 00:22.54 | husimon | not sure how great the search is |
| 00:23.13 | SerajewelKS | husimon: xmms is pretty much dead and doesn't have a library anyway |
| 00:23.21 | husimon | yeah no library |
| 00:23.25 | Zharf | library? |
| 00:23.26 | peterS | sure it does, it has my music library |
| 00:23.30 | Zharf | oh media lib? |
| 00:23.34 | dondelelcaro | CalJohn: uh... I doubt it; the playlist is just a plain file. |
| 00:23.37 | CalJohn | xmms is definately dead |
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| 00:23.42 | Zharf | xmms2 isn't! |
| 00:23.55 | husimon | i use it to stream music |
| 00:24.05 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: i vageuly remeber asking about it before, but i will ask about it again |
| 00:24.14 | husimon | CalJohn, have you tried rythmbox? |
| 00:24.16 | SerajewelKS | if you must use a slim media player at least do yourself a favor and use vlc |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:24.27 | SerajewelKS | hell even totem |
| 00:24.30 | peterS | someday we will recognise the lasting achievement of xmms: to make about a dozen successors look foolish by never quite managing to port it to GTK2 without managing to completely suck in the process |
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| 00:24.35 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: ok, clearly we have different ideas of "slim" |
| 00:24.56 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: for the amount of shit vlc will play it is pretty slim, at least when it comes to memory footprint |
| 00:25.02 | abrotman | peterS: like audacious? that takes 30 seconds to start on a decent machine ? |
| 00:25.07 | husimon | vlc is my favorite media player |
| 00:25.13 | husimon | but for music or anything with a playlist vlc blows |
| 00:25.23 | squisher | does anyone know if any of these players have good cue sheet support? |
| 00:25.23 | SerajewelKS | if you really want slim then just use gstreamer-launch or mpg321 or some CLI shit |
| 00:25.31 | peterS | abrotman: I'm not sure if I've tried audacious - but I haven't seen a son-of-xmms yet that didn't suck |
| 00:25.33 | husimon | cue sheet support? |
| 00:25.37 | squisher | audacious is supposed to have some, except that it doesn't work at all... |
| 00:25.45 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: they don't have libraries, and mpg321 is for non-fp machiens |
| 00:25.45 | SerajewelKS | husimon: vlc doesn't suck more than xmms for music |
| 00:25.49 | squisher | husimon, cue sheet => markings for tracks inside of a big mp3 file |
| 00:26.10 | husimon | who the hell does that? |
| 00:26.17 | squisher | lots of people do |
| 00:26.22 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: then lame -d |
| 00:26.22 | husimon | why? |
| 00:26.23 | abrotman | peterS: they mimiced the interface well .. but it's fairly slow to start |
| 00:26.26 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: lame -d | six |
| 00:26.28 | husimon | seems simple enough to split it |
| 00:26.28 | SerajewelKS | sox* dammit |
| 00:26.34 | CalJohn | SerajewelKS: please stop suggesting stupid things |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | they're winning! |
| 00:26.40 | squisher | husimon, mostly true, but not always |
| 00:26.56 | SerajewelKS | CalJohn: shrug, i'm not the only one doing so but ok |
| 00:27.04 | peterS | <Lo-lan-2> I hereby suggest that Rhythmbox be relabeled "music organiser" (from "music player"). <piman> No, it can't actually organize music. <Lo-lan-2> Apparently that app is nothing but a big fat wrapper around a "Internal GStreamer error: pad problem" error box. |
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| 00:27.24 | gravity | peterS: Nice |
| 00:27.31 | peterS | gravity: from #d-d, dontcha know |
| 00:27.35 | gravity | word |
| 00:27.49 | CalJohn | husimon: lots of people use that when they want to get about mp3's bad support of gapless |
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| 00:28.12 | husimon | CalJohn, I guess I just use cross fade |
| 00:28.22 | CalJohn | husimon: cross fade is totally different |
| 00:28.23 | husimon | CalJohn, unless you mean something else by gapless |
| 00:28.37 | husimon | can you explain that gapless support is? |
| 00:28.44 | CalJohn | husimon: crossfade, is basically cross fading. gapless is having no gaps between tracks |
| 00:29.06 | CalJohn | ie, when one track leads onto the next |
| 00:29.14 | husimon | CalJohn, ok yeah that's what I thought |
| 00:29.16 | CalJohn | it is common is classical music |
| 00:29.22 | SerajewelKS | gapless usually involves buffering the beginning of the next file in the playlist before you get there so when you switch tracks you can gaplessly transition |
| 00:29.25 | squisher | CalJohn, so do you have any suggestions, since you know what this is? :-) |
| 00:29.34 | CalJohn | squisher: what what is? |
| 00:29.37 | husimon | it seems like that's a client problem not an mp3 problem |
| 00:29.43 | SerajewelKS | it can be though of as crossfade with no duration |
| 00:29.47 | squisher | CalJohn, what do you use to play mp3's with cue sheets? |
| 00:29.48 | SerajewelKS | thought* |
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| 00:30.14 | CalJohn | squisher: i don't personally do it (in fact, i dislike it), but i have friends who do it with custom written players |
| 00:30.32 | squisher | custom written players? :-) |
| 00:30.52 | SerajewelKS | mp3 sucks anyway :) |
| 00:31.00 | husimon | i don't care enough that there is a 1 second gab |
| 00:31.01 | husimon | gap |
| 00:31.24 | husimon | or 2 seconds |
| 00:31.55 | SerajewelKS | husimon: when a CD is designed so one track leads into the next it can get annoying when there is a gap. it doesn't bother me enough to do anything about it but it does get irritating. |
| 00:31.57 | CalJohn | squisher: a friend of mine wrote a cue sheet + mp3 player in python a while ago. a few of them use it |
| 00:32.13 | CalJohn | husimon: it depends on the music you listen to |
| 00:32.30 | CalJohn | husimon: i can imagine it is insanely annoying with certain music |
| 00:32.40 | SerajewelKS | husimon: e.g. anything by vangelis will get piss annoying if you don't have a player that does gapless |
| 00:32.44 | husimon | CalJohn, yeah I can imagine |
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| 00:34.34 | squisher | CalJohn, too bad he didn't put it online somewhere |
| 00:35.30 | CalJohn | squisher: there are a couple "special clubs" for people who like to share music. If you're a member of one of them, you can ask in their channels |
| 00:35.51 | Nyle | you know what I like? the guitar piece from the intro to hithikers guide to the galaxy |
| 00:35.57 | squisher | CalJohn, :-) I should look into that, thanks for the hint |
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| 00:37.46 | Nyle | why did we decide on genie bottle and smoke ring? |
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| 00:37.56 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 00:38.34 | gravity | Nyle: There was a vote |
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| 00:38.35 | gravity | ("we"?) |
| 00:38.44 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:38.52 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I don't want samba sharing my home folder, I only want it sharing what I want to share, there any way not to share home? |
| 00:39.24 | abrotman | yes.. configure it not to |
| 00:39.33 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: uh, edit the config file? |
| 00:39.50 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | jelly-home: where would this be? |
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| 00:41.13 | squisher | GhostlyDeath|Lpt, /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 00:41.22 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | thanks |
| 00:41.26 | husimon | heh |
| 00:41.39 | squisher | GhostlyDeath|Lpt, in general check out /etc/<package-name>/ or /etc/<package-name>.* first... |
| 00:42.11 | gravity | bets Nyle wants the chicken logo |
| 00:42.28 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: or list the contents of relevant packages and look for stuff in /etc |
| 00:43.58 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: remember to reload or restart the service after changing the config. /etc/init.d/samba reload |
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| 00:45.14 | \3TATUK | Is the airport2-config program supposed to be able to configure Airport Express Base Stations? (I know it works with Airport Extreme..) |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | gravity: oh jeez .. i haven't seen that logo in such a long time |
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| 00:45.27 | husimon | what was the name debian kernel which supports more then 4gb ram? |
| 00:45.31 | husimon | hugemem or something? |
| 00:45.38 | gravity | abrotman: People still wish it had won |
| 00:45.39 | \3TATUK | yup |
| 00:45.42 | husimon | ah |
| 00:45.43 | husimon | bigmem |
| 00:45.44 | husimon | no wonder |
| 00:45.48 | abrotman | gravity: it wasn't that bad .. |
| 00:45.53 | gravity | wasn't around for the logo vote |
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| 00:46.00 | gravity | Although I do remember the chicken being around |
| 00:46.33 | CalJohn | Nyle: it was a way to get around trademark law also, IIRC |
| 00:47.03 | CalJohn | Nyle: or at least, that's part of it now |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/News/1999/19990826 |
| 00:47.32 | abrotman | wonders if Raul still uses his debian.org addy |
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| 00:49.43 | jelly-home | "fixed" chicken? |
| 00:49.59 | \3TATUK | wonders if abrotman has one. :) |
| 00:51.52 | Kumool | hmm how do i make it so that i can use '+a (like french and such) |
| 00:52.08 | abrotman | \3TATUK: no |
| 00:52.53 | \3TATUK | k |
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| 01:45.49 | magyar | is there a iceweasel 3 package? |
| 01:46.13 | liable | its in sid |
| 01:47.19 | magyar | liable: have you tried it? |
| 01:47.28 | dustybin | i connected to a news server with tin using: tin -r news.server |
| 01:47.30 | Nyle | I am learning gimp |
| 01:47.48 | dustybin | i would now like to connect to another server but it keeps defaulting back to the 1st server it used |
| 01:47.51 | magyar | good for you |
| 01:47.55 | dustybin | ive apt-get remove --purged |
| 01:48.00 | dustybin | rm all config files |
| 01:48.13 | dustybin | re-installed, then run tin and it still logs into that original news server |
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| 01:48.36 | magyar | dustybin: have you tried your home dir? |
| 01:48.41 | dustybin | yes |
| 01:48.49 | dustybin | i rm -r .tin |
| 01:48.53 | dustybin | and all other bits |
| 01:49.06 | magyar | well, only one thing left is to format and reinstall |
| 01:49.44 | dustybin | maybe i got one of those debian viruses doing the rounds at the moment |
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| 01:49.58 | Nyle | hey |
| 01:50.00 | Nyle | guys |
| 01:50.07 | magyar | wutt? |
| 01:50.09 | Nyle | I made this in gimp |
| 01:50.11 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian_bg.jpg |
| 01:50.12 | Nyle | check it out |
| 01:50.39 | Soulwarp | not bad |
| 01:50.40 | magyar | one word, sweet |
| 01:50.59 | magyar | Nyle: are you Dutch? |
| 01:50.59 | Nyle | thanks |
| 01:51.02 | Nyle | no |
| 01:51.03 | Nyle | pakistan |
| 01:51.31 | Soulwarp | i love gimp too |
| 01:51.37 | Nyle | im going to make a my own blog website of debian wallpapers |
| 01:51.49 | Nyle | I'm gonna learn all sorts of stuff in gimp |
| 01:52.09 | Nyle | ok gonna make some more bye |
| 01:52.18 | magyar | i got no sense of style, |
| 01:52.21 | troubled | Nyle: gimp?! |
| 01:52.24 | Nyle | troubled, yes |
| 01:52.29 | troubled | Nyle: blender dude! |
| 01:52.31 | troubled | ;) |
| 01:52.35 | Kumool | yeah i made a sh***y chuchu rocket in gimp lol its quite good |
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| 01:52.38 | magyar | blender is sick |
| 01:52.46 | troubled | you just gotta trust me with this one, like vim :) |
| 01:52.48 | Kumool | isnt that for 3d stuff? |
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| 01:52.53 | Soulwarp | i made this on gimp too |
| 01:52.53 | troubled | Kumool: ya |
| 01:52.54 | Soulwarp | http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/stateofneurosis/lime_earth.jpg?t=1214445152 |
| 01:53.12 | Nyle | nice! |
| 01:53.17 | Nyle | lemon earth is original |
| 01:53.18 | troubled | not to say gimp made stuff can look amazing or anything, but 3d has some nice looks too |
| 01:53.26 | magyar | Soulwarp: where is the tequila moon? |
| 01:53.49 | magyar | !tequila |
| 01:53.49 | dpkg | tequila bring pain! |
| 01:53.50 | troubled | Soulwarp: see, i would do that in blender |
| 01:54.02 | Soulwarp | magyar: haha that's a good idea |
| 01:54.18 | Soulwarp | troubled: im still trying to learn blender |
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| 01:54.38 | Soulwarp | troubled: i can make...bubble text that's about it |
| 01:54.42 | troubled | Soulwarp: its getting better every day for sure. the new particle system in 2.46 and cloth sim are amazing |
| 01:54.53 | mmu_man | anyone knows something that could convert/read eps or psd to svg or any other format readable by inkscape |
| 01:54.54 | mmu_man | ? |
| 01:55.07 | troubled | Soulwarp: plus 2.47 should be out within next month or two if all goes well with some nice bug fixes and ocean patches and stuff hopefully |
| 01:55.16 | mmu_man | convert(imagemagick) only knows about raster stuff |
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| 01:55.22 | Soulwarp | mmu_man: i think gimp can read all of those formats |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | psd is raster ? |
| 01:55.38 | mmu_man | is it ? |
| 01:55.45 | Kumool | hmm where is it that one can make .svg? |
| 01:55.45 | troubled | !psd |
| 01:55.46 | dpkg | Adobe Photoshop bitmap |
| 01:55.47 | Soulwarp | it's photoshop format |
| 01:55.57 | mmu_man | Soulwarp gimp read the eps but used the crappy preview |
| 01:56.01 | troubled | well, dpkg seems to call it a bitmap so... |
| 01:56.18 | mmu_man | and on the psd file it seems to use incorrect bytes/row or something |
| 01:56.20 | Soulwarp | mmu_man: oh? it read mine ok |
| 01:56.34 | Soulwarp | mmu_man: i had trouble with the resizing though |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | mmu_man: apt-cache search psd image |
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| 01:57.27 | Soulwarp | mmu_man: it was a DVD sleeve i made for this director bloke i know |
| 01:57.29 | mmu_man | abrotman hmm nothing that can write directly without coding it seems |
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| 01:58.53 | mmu_man | hmm convert reads the psd, butit outputs a very dark image |
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| 01:59.34 | mmu_man | oddly WonderBrush in BeOs doesn't read eps or psd either... |
| 01:59.49 | mmu_man | maybe I'll just write translator for BeOS/Haiku :) |
| 02:00.13 | dustybin | the setting was in /etc/news/server |
| 02:00.27 | dustybin | you can use tin with these servers |
| 02:00.28 | dustybin | http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ |
| 02:00.31 | dustybin | very handy indeed |
| 02:01.58 | mmu_man | bleh nautilus renamed a file just cause I typed somehting when int he info box for a file |
| 02:02.04 | mmu_man | gr |
| 02:02.25 | Soulwarp | D': |
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| 02:02.27 | mmu_man | bleh the name is selected when you do alt-enter... |
| 02:02.37 | mmu_man | that's dangerous |
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| 02:02.50 | mmu_man | OTH you can't even rename it by clicking it twice or long enough |
| 02:02.57 | mmu_man | you must select rename in context menu |
| 02:03.16 | mmu_man | anyway, I don't have time to rant about linux on the desktop :) |
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| 02:03.36 | Soulwarp | some like it some don't :) |
| 02:05.57 | mmu_man | well I had to use it for some time for non-server stuff, but really... either it's gnome or something else but... |
| 02:06.06 | mmu_man | even OOo feels better in win, shrug |
| 02:06.26 | mmu_man | some things you do in the linux version either don't work or even worse |
| 02:06.43 | mmu_man | once I tried to resize an object many times, and each time it created a copy underneath |
| 02:07.00 | mmu_man | I ended up removing the many copies under win :^) |
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| 02:12.23 | dbmoodb | hi ah packages.debian.org what is happening im getting http time outs / its very slow atm |
| 02:12.30 | dbmoodb | oh and tis back.. |
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| 02:19.29 | nvz | calm down now people, don't everyone talk at once ;) |
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| 02:20.01 | Soulwarp | hi |
| 02:21.22 | owen1 | i try to set static ip. what command should i type after changing my /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:21.29 | nvz | nope, just drunk.. |
| 02:21.51 | nvz | owen1: ifdown / ifup |
| 02:21.55 | nvz | on the interface |
| 02:22.28 | owen1 | nvz: ok. up means enable? |
| 02:22.36 | nvz | you can just manually do static without editing /etc/network/interfaces using ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 for example |
| 02:22.45 | nvz | owen1: up means up ;) |
| 02:22.50 | nvz | man ifupdown |
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| 02:23.02 | owen1 | nvz: ok |
| 02:23.09 | rendar | how about install framebuffer on debian? |
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| 02:23.52 | nvz | you dont really install a framebuffer, you just enable it by loading a module for your card |
| 02:24.23 | nvz | framebuffers aren't really in my bag of tricks though cause they are mostly just a PITA |
| 02:24.53 | rendar | PITA?! |
| 02:24.55 | abrotman | !fb |
| 02:24.55 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
| 02:24.55 | owen1 | nvz: last time i changed this file i lost connection, and had to revert to dhcp and reboot. is there a command to 'reset' the networking? |
| 02:24.59 | nvz | 1pita |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | bah |
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| 02:25.11 | nvz | !pita |
| 02:25.11 | dpkg | i heard pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 02:25.12 | abrotman | owen1: configure it correctly .. |
| 02:25.30 | rendar | i see :P |
| 02:25.38 | owen1 | nvz: to avoid reboot |
| 02:25.52 | nvz | owen1: you never have to reboot switching to dhcp is as easy as doing a dhclient eth0 |
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| 02:26.13 | nvz | owen1: and going static is as simple is doing an ifconfig on the interface with proper params |
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| 02:26.21 | nvz | owen1: man dhclient, man ifconfig |
| 02:26.27 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 02:26.27 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 02:26.35 | nvz | if this is temporary there is no need to edit the interfaces file at all |
| 02:27.08 | simonrvn | owen1: top - 22:26:34 up 131 days, 3:40, 11 users, load average: 1.78 ... # you don't need to reboot dude ;) |
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| 02:27.39 | landet | ifconfig ethx down ; ifconfig ethx parameters up |
| 02:27.42 | nvz | is suddenly hungry and about to fry some steak and potato |
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| 02:28.46 | nvz | owen1: besides what simonrvn is saying, the interfaces are brought up on boot by an init script you can always do a reboot of that alone by doing /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:29.36 | simonrvn | yeh. most things you can do that. it's pretty rare you have to reboot. *nix is built to stay up. |
| 02:30.55 | simonrvn | this box however, the video's iffy, so when i gt a black screen, only thing that fixes it is resetting the video.. (i.e. reboot) |
| 02:31.01 | owen1 | simonrvn: nvz:ok. http://paste.debian.net/7781/ does my /networking looks ok? |
| 02:31.03 | dustybin | when you use a newsreader is all the news meant to come into your Maildir? |
| 02:31.04 | rendar | mmm what about exiting 'vi' saving the modifies? :q! don't save, and for saving? |
| 02:31.16 | squisher | so can anyone tell me how I can make use of those 'tags' that apt-cache show tells me all about? |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | :wq or ZZ |
| 02:31.22 | simonrvn | :wq |
| 02:31.24 | rendar | thanks! |
| 02:31.28 | simonrvn | :w for save alone |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 02:31.28 | dpkg | methinks vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 02:31.30 | dustybin | :q! :P |
| 02:31.35 | rendar | :P |
| 02:31.39 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.47 | beardy | Almost the same, simonrvn. |
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| 02:31.54 | simonrvn | heh, yeh |
| 02:32.06 | simonrvn | been lucky, no power outages =) |
| 02:32.07 | nvz | owen1: if thats all thats in there, it looks ok to me as long as thats valid addresses for your network |
| 02:32.07 | dustybin | *geek* *alert* |
| 02:32.27 | nvz | simonrvn: UPS? |
| 02:32.44 | simonrvn | no ups, don't have a budget |
| 02:32.50 | nvz | hah me either |
| 02:32.55 | owen1 | nvz: to connect to my router i type 192.168.1.1 so it should work. |
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| 02:33.04 | arubin | needs a new battery for his UPS |
| 02:33.05 | enouf | can someone please tell me where to look to find out more info about a debian "Release" file; i'm trying to find out where this 'Origin' and 'origin' are defined, to use for pinning and for use in grep-dctrl searches .. i've man apt_preferences, but the info is elusive, and not clear as to my question. I even searched my whole HDDs for release/Release, and i even have built .debs here, and looked in debian/rules and /control files |
| 02:33.13 | arubin | of course, I really just use my laptop at home now |
| 02:33.16 | arubin | so there is little need |
| 02:33.30 | nvz | besides that since I've been living here I seem to unhook my shit too much to move it from one room to another as I use my pirate internet connection as a TV |
| 02:33.33 | beardy | I was a bit upset when my disk died, on the 236th (or something like that) day, of the quite continous 3 years running, with kernel change reboots.. |
| 02:34.01 | nvz | owen1: it would if nobody else is using 192.168.1.2 |
| 02:34.12 | simonrvn | enouf: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 02:34.13 | beardy | enouf: Maybe the nm guide has anything about it? |
| 02:34.36 | nvz | owen1: if that address is in use then you have an IP conflict. when you do static you need to use addresses outside the routers dhcp pool range |
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| 02:34.52 | enouf | i'll have to look, thanks guys - btw, i see one (Origin capitalized O) is mentioned in man dpkg-query |
| 02:34.54 | squisher | or are these tags even usable? aptitude doesn't seem to have anything using them either :-\ |
| 02:35.14 | husimon | does anyone know how the hell i'm supposed to get linux partition tools to recognize a 64bit lba raid partition? |
| 02:35.16 | simonrvn | beardy: i have a dead hdd that needs changing. every once in a while it'll go tick tick tick (tick of death), been doing that for months.... |
| 02:35.17 | husimon | http://pastebin.com/m5345b4ee |
| 02:35.22 | enouf | but man apt_preferences mentions to be sure to not confuse Origin and origin |
| 02:35.33 | enouf | so, i'll look - thanks again |
| 02:35.33 | husimon | hmm |
| 02:35.36 | stew | squisher: aptitude search '~Gtag' |
| 02:35.38 | husimon | cfdisk looks like it might be working |
| 02:35.42 | nvz | owen1: most routers I've seen that default to 192.168.1.1 defaut to 192.168.1.100 as the pool starting address |
| 02:35.54 | stew | squisher: or you can use ept-cache search instead of apt-cache search to search by tab |
| 02:35.55 | squisher | thanks stew, I just figured out that the issue was probably a missing debtags package... |
| 02:36.01 | stew | ^tab^tag |
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| 02:36.02 | owen1 | nvz: when i type ifconfig i see 192.168.1.2 |
| 02:36.06 | Koshie | Hi everybody |
| 02:36.24 | owen1 | nvz: so i think it's ok for my static ip to be the same. |
| 02:36.25 | squisher | stew, will give ept-cache a shot, thanks |
| 02:36.38 | husimon | nvz, some are 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:36.46 | beardy | simonrvn: Uhoh. |
| 02:36.54 | enouf | simonrvn: nice, thanks, getting closer |
| 02:37.08 | squisher | owen1, try looking for your default route, run 'route -n' -- that should be your router |
| 02:37.11 | nvz | owen1: well if dhcp is giving you 192.168.1.2 then its your IP, but that doesnt mean its safe to use cause its part of the dhcp pool |
| 02:37.30 | dustybin | when i launch tin it creates a Mail dir, id like it to use Maildir instead, how would one do this? |
| 02:37.40 | squisher | thinks he wasn't up to date on that conversation... |
| 02:37.43 | nvz | owen1: you should reconfigure your router to start at x.x.x.10 or x.x.x.100 if you are gonna use static so you have addresses reserved for static config |
| 02:37.50 | beardy | simonrvn: I hope you don't put off making backups, like some people do, sometimes. *cough* |
| 02:37.57 | simonrvn | beardy: it's already dead, sector 0 is unreadable ;) |
| 02:38.08 | owen1 | nvz: ok. i'll go to the router. |
| 02:38.13 | dustybin | red.sector |
| 02:38.32 | dustybin | rip |
| 02:38.37 | simonrvn | beardy: oh it's ok, i knew it was going. only problem is that it's the drive i was using to boot from (mac os 9, on a beige g3) |
| 02:38.55 | Koshie | i'm french (sorry for the futur fault) and i've a big problem ! I run Debian (Lenny), i type my nickname, my password and i've a error message about the lecture of the language directory, it's about the permission... I click on "okay" and i continue but a second error message about .ICEauthority and debian reboot... I'm on irssi in the tty for speak, i can use lynx (for example) because it is not installed and i can install a package |
| 02:38.58 | beardy | simonrvn: Ah |
| 02:39.22 | simonrvn | beardy: i just need to get some more cd-rw, and some cd-rs, and i'll set up some more regular backups =;) |
| 02:39.24 | beardy | !fr |
| 02:39.25 | dpkg | i guess fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:39.34 | nvz | owen1: why are you configuring static in the first place? your router probably has options to assure you get the same IP all the time via dhcp |
| 02:39.54 | enouf | simonrvn: gigabytes on HDDs are cheaper and more reliable IMO ;-) |
| 02:39.56 | beardy | Koshie: You can try in the above channel aswell. |
| 02:40.07 | simonrvn | enouf: not an option right now |
| 02:40.20 | Koshie | beardy: the above channel, i've not understand this... it's this channel? |
| 02:40.35 | beardy | Koshie: #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net |
| 02:40.58 | Koshie | beardy: oki |
| 02:41.05 | Koshie | thank you |
| 02:41.17 | beardy | You're welcome, good luck. |
| 02:41.45 | nvz | indeed cause his inglishe is knot that underschtadable |
| 02:41.47 | owen1 | nvz: i want to use ssh on this machine. |
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| 02:42.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: that's better than a 'ping pong drive' |
| 02:42.15 | nvz | owen1: I and most other people in here use ssh all the time without static ips |
| 02:42.59 | nvz | owen1: most routers will always give the same MAC id the same IP to begin with, but they usually also have a setting to specify a certain IP for a certain user for the purpose of static port routing |
| 02:43.17 | nvz | chances are, this can all be done in your router with no need to config the box at all |
| 02:43.38 | owen1 | nvz: i think i already set it in my router to always give me 192.168.1.2 |
| 02:43.44 | squisher | stew, great ept-cache was exactly what I was looking for =) |
| 02:43.56 | owen1 | nvz: under ssh on this machine. |
| 02:44.17 | dustybin | do any of you guys use mailing lists? how do you organize mailing lists? do you let everything go into 1 directory or do you seperate? |
| 02:44.19 | owen1 | nvz: sorry, under 'Address Reservation' |
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| 02:44.48 | owen1 | nvz: i gave the router my mac address. |
| 02:44.49 | enouf | darnnit, how do i use grep to search for 'origin', but exclude 'original' etc? i know about grep -v, but that's a hack ;-P |
| 02:45.11 | enouf | maybe use 'origin ' <-- space ? |
| 02:45.21 | beardy | enouf: It's not a hack, it's a very nice feature.. |
| 02:45.45 | enouf | beardy: i know, but still, there's so many incantations of origin |
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| 02:46.03 | enouf | originality, original, orignally |
| 02:46.19 | enouf | yeah, i see the pattern, but still |
| 02:46.30 | enouf | there;s got to be a regex way |
| 02:46.37 | beardy | enouf: But yes, that would do, if there should be a space, but then with a . after, it wont take it. So.. the regex expert would tell you to math your word, and exactly only one character more. |
| 02:46.43 | enouf | it's not 'origin$' |
| 02:46.52 | beardy | And I'm not him, but.. I'm sure we could figure it out both of us. |
| 02:47.07 | beardy | match* |
| 02:47.16 | simonrvn | abrotman: ping pong drive? |
| 02:47.24 | nvz | breaks out the fine china for this meal (paper plates with little bunny wabbits on it) |
| 02:47.30 | enouf | isn't fgrep supposed to help here? |
| 02:47.34 | owen1 | how do i know for sure that i get the same ip address from my router? |
| 02:47.47 | enouf | beardy: right, grep -v origin.* |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: dink doink .. dink .. dink doink |
| 02:48.11 | Wyzard | dustybin: Mailing lists kinda suck as a communication model IMO |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: but sounds like of like a ping pong ball |
| 02:49.27 | beardy | enouf: In a regex that would be the same as origin* wouldn't it? |
| 02:49.41 | nvz | owen1: I wouldn't know cause I don't know what your routers config page looks like.. but I'm sure its possible |
| 02:49.44 | beardy | enouf: Where are you grepping, so I can play too? |
| 02:50.15 | enouf | beardy: /var/lib/apt/lists .. but yeah, isn't working ('origin.*') |
| 02:50.29 | enouf | nothing is now, actually when | grep -v |
| 02:50.37 | enouf | i guess i need find |
| 02:51.12 | nvz | owen1: one way is t o set the leases to last foreve |
| 02:51.17 | simonrvn | abrotman: oh, yeh, i see. the "tink, dink dink, dink" |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 02:51.43 | simonrvn | afk, cooking food |
| 02:51.50 | simonrvn | you sure did :) |
| 02:52.52 | nvz | simonrvn: bah, food cooks itself, turn the stove on and throw some food at it like I did.. heh |
| 02:53.15 | abrotman | oh .. nvz .. the master of jiffy-pop |
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| 02:53.58 | owen1 | nvz: i think i already have it. i just don't know how to verify it. |
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| 02:54.20 | EagleScreen | #kde-devel |
| 02:54.32 | enouf | i'm barking up the wrong tree now, wrt 'origin', though simonrvn hit the nail on the head with Release and Origin |
| 02:54.41 | EagleScreen | is this the official Debian channel? |
| 02:54.57 | enouf | nothing is official, anywhere :-P |
| 02:54.59 | nvz | owen1: then just use static config to be sure I guess, just set your dhcp pool so there are addresses not used for dhcp |
| 02:55.18 | enouf | EagleScreen: supposedly though OFTC.net has the more official ones |
| 02:55.30 | enouf | why? |
| 02:55.44 | enouf | what's your beef, barley? |
| 02:55.52 | nvz | abrotman: I don't know what a jiffy0pop is, I just put two steak-ems in the frying pan, two hash browns in the toaster oven and walked away.. heh |
| 02:55.55 | EagleScreen | i see there are many people here |
| 02:56.02 | enouf | nvz: haha |
| 02:56.04 | simonrvn | nvz: that's pretty much what i did right now ;). |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | nvz: you know what jiffy-pop is . it's the popcorn in the tin foil pan |
| 02:56.27 | nvz | but now I'm still feeling hungry.. and if I wasn't also drunk I'd wait for my brain to catch up with my stomach but since I am drunk I'm gonna make something else.. heh |
| 02:56.33 | abrotman | nvz: http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=jiffy%20pop&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 02:56.50 | nvz | abrotman: ah.. I've never seen that one.. I'm not a big fan of pop-corn |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | okay .. freak |
| 02:57.11 | simonrvn | made a nvz just made a couple of buffalo patties, put in some sunflower oil, and turned it on low |
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| 02:57.16 | nvz | hah.. thats like camping food |
| 02:57.23 | nvz | not something you make at home |
| 02:57.30 | enouf | nvz: it's great, you end up with a nice tinfoil bubushka with which to block SkyNet rays :-P |
| 02:57.40 | nvz | enouf: hah |
| 02:57.48 | simonrvn | EagleScreen: yes, many, for sure |
| 02:58.10 | simonrvn | #debian: Total of 776 nicks (2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 774 normal) |
| 02:58.22 | simonrvn | /names -count |
| 02:58.27 | nvz | hmm.. I guess its about easy mac time now.. heh |
| 02:58.35 | beardy | enouf: grep -e "origin\>" /var/lib/apt/lists/* |
| 02:58.52 | enouf | beardy: interesting ... |
| 02:58.58 | nvz | then again what i just ate was better, I just don't feel like going through all that work of doing nothing again.. heh |
| 02:59.16 | beardy | enouf: man grep, "\>" end of word |
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| 02:59.30 | enouf | beardy: no workey :-P |
| 02:59.39 | nvz | well actually easy mac leaves me with dirty dishes.. so I may just put the effort into frying some sausage or something |
| 02:59.43 | beardy | enouf: Well, it is here. |
| 02:59.54 | nvz | since the frying pan is already greasy |
| 03:00.01 | enouf | beardy: nm, i suck |
| 03:00.57 | Wyzard | long grain & wild rice rice-a-roni FTW :-) |
| 03:01.05 | Wyzard | is eating some now |
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| 03:01.36 | beardy | Mm.. |
| 03:01.57 | beardy | I was already hungry before! |
| 03:02.18 | nvz | na on second thought even easier than that is just putting two hot dogs in the toaster oven and having a cook-in |
| 03:02.30 | nvz | heh.. its just the same as cooking out, only without the grill |
| 03:02.46 | Wyzard | lol |
| 03:03.12 | nvz | puts grill lines on it and everything |
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| 03:04.22 | enouf | beardy: i see that area now in man grep, thanks |
| 03:04.28 | nvz | I have a whole bottle of ketchup/katsup here to comfort a couple burnt hot dogs |
| 03:04.35 | beardy | enouf: You're welcome. |
| 03:04.40 | squisher | anyone here having no video in vlc from sid? |
| 03:04.46 | nvz | idly wonders why some companies call it ketchup and others call it katsup |
| 03:05.06 | nvz | squisher: nope, I had an issue of no sound on etch with it |
| 03:05.13 | nvz | but its probably just misconfigured, like yours is |
| 03:05.26 | squisher | nah, haven't changed the config in a long time |
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| 03:05.33 | squisher | I can't find a bug on it though |
| 03:06.16 | nvz | squisher: cause you haven't filed one yet? |
| 03:06.36 | squisher | :-) |
| 03:06.47 | nvz | squisher: heres a question for ya.. what have you changed the config on recently? |
| 03:06.48 | squisher | dummy me never checked stdout, now I see what's wrong |
| 03:07.04 | squisher | and there is a bug already for it :) |
| 03:07.13 | nvz | heh |
| 03:07.50 | beardy | !win squisher |
| 03:07.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, squisher! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:08.06 | squisher | yay! |
| 03:08.16 | squisher | where do I leave my mailing address? |
| 03:08.16 | arubin | nvz: it appears that the words are transliterations of a few different words from Asian languages |
| 03:08.25 | nvz | I went to cvs and bought this polish remover and haven't had to eat a pirogi or hulushki since.. |
| 03:08.35 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
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| 03:08.54 | nvz | arubin: really? interesting. |
| 03:09.10 | nvz | well not really.. but I'm interested in fresh ideas regaurdless |
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| 03:11.22 | arubin | also, ketchup sucks |
| 03:11.25 | arubin | as do hot dogs |
| 03:11.39 | cast|lir | i think it would be nicer if /t refered to a pastebin instead of #flood |
| 03:11.43 | nvz | hah, yeah lets not even talk about hot dogs.. I don't want to know |
| 03:11.54 | enouf | ~$ rgrep -e "origin\>" /var/lib/apt/lists/ | cut -d: -f2- welp, got the search to work, and found extraterrestrials and liborigin plotting stuffs O_o |
| 03:11.56 | nvz | I think these are pork dogs.. or so they say |
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| 03:12.21 | nvz | pork and turkey it says |
| 03:12.32 | arubin | floor sweepings |
| 03:12.34 | nvz | thinks . o O ( ... yeah right.. ) |
| 03:12.47 | nvz | arubin: seriously. |
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| 03:13.07 | simonrvn | floor sweepings wouldn't stick together so well |
| 03:13.09 | enouf | goes to another tree, and starts barking |
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| 03:13.37 | nvz | simonrvn: well you'd be surprised what you could stuff into a pig instine. |
| 03:13.39 | nvz | heh |
| 03:13.42 | simonrvn | pats enouf's head "good boy" |
| 03:13.55 | enouf | heh |
| 03:14.57 | Rusty1 | upper casing or lower casing? |
| 03:15.34 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.34 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 03:15.43 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 03:15.44 | Nyle | whats up |
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| 03:15.52 | nvz | hmm.. that goest to show what happens when you try run a computer without pluggin it in.. heh |
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| 03:16.21 | Nyle | nvz, simonrvn, enouf: http://picpaste.com/debian_bg.jpg & http://picpaste.com/debian_swirl_black.red.jpg |
| 03:16.27 | Nyle | I made these two just now in gimp |
| 03:16.38 | Nyle | (still learning, but what do you think so far?) |
| 03:17.11 | Nyle | for picpaste i chose a very small jpg quality/filesize but hires looks really nice |
| 03:17.17 | nvz | I forgot I was even running on battery power until my screen went black.. thought for sure it was gonna time out |
| 03:17.28 | nvz | surprisingly it stayed online |
| 03:17.53 | Nyle | I don't think the black/red cameout quite just right |
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| 03:17.58 | nvz | apparently this thing doens't last more than an hour running two monitors and a USB Dish |
| 03:18.00 | Nyle | I was going for a more abstract circular feel |
| 03:18.10 | Nyle | but i think did ok on the first one |
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| 03:19.23 | Nyle | yeh fuckit, I don't like the black/red |
| 03:19.24 | simonrvn | bit too fuzzy for my taste |
| 03:19.29 | nvz | Nyle: I actually like the 2nd one better the only thing wrong with it in my opinion is that the debian logo isn't as defined on the red bg.. should have put some white feathering or something or a black outline to make it stand out |
| 03:19.42 | Nyle | nah i don';t like the 2nd one at all |
| 03:19.47 | Nyle | I'm gonna delete and start over |
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| 03:20.17 | kreig | does somebody knows how to deactivate the automatic hw detection at boot time, but just for a specific pci device? |
| 03:21.08 | nvz | Nyle: the color is nice on the first one but looks like its missing something.. |
| 03:21.32 | Nyle | too empty? |
| 03:21.44 | Nyle | should I write "Debian GNU\Linux" on it? |
| 03:21.45 | nvz | yeah |
| 03:21.51 | enouf | Nyle: the 2nd one reminds me of a nice belly |
| 03:21.53 | enouf | :-) |
| 03:21.56 | nvz | that would work |
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| 03:22.23 | enouf | Nyle: but i'm busy with my own brainfarting atm |
| 03:22.32 | nvz | Nyle: have yuou seen the movie Pi? |
| 03:22.44 | Xenguy | nvz: recently - wow |
| 03:22.58 | nvz | that movie makes me think of debian |
| 03:23.12 | Xenguy | memento was good, need to watch that again |
| 03:23.13 | nvz | but in any case some math all over that bg would look cool |
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| 03:23.41 | arubin | debian tries really hard to be profound but isn't? |
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| 03:24.05 | Xenguy | criticism? troll? |
| 03:24.22 | arubin | commenting on nvz's remark |
| 03:24.30 | arubin | criticism of Pi |
| 03:25.00 | Xenguy | anything that is more rather than less original has my respect ;-) |
| 03:25.24 | arubin | I like his other movie much more, Requiem for a Dream |
| 03:25.30 | arubin | it doesn't try to be profound |
| 03:25.33 | arubin | it is just about junkies |
| 03:25.44 | nvz | I liked Pi cause the dude is nuts.. and I've just seen too many people like that, my mentor being one of them.. people who are just consumed in their persuit for understanding |
| 03:26.20 | arubin | nuts is good |
| 03:26.33 | nvz | yeah I don't really like people who aren't crazy |
| 03:26.36 | nvz | heh |
| 03:26.40 | nvz | they are boring |
| 03:27.04 | arubin | well, we need someone to do all the manual labor |
| 03:27.25 | nvz | hah, mexicans? at least in this country anyhow |
| 03:27.26 | asg | nvz: show us you're nuts or show us your nuts |
| 03:27.35 | nvz | :-P |
| 03:28.22 | nvz | I've never been to mexico, so Idk what is like.. but I've never met one in this country who wasn't a damn hard worker |
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| 03:28.56 | nvz | and I'm a huge fan of aguave and tequilla |
| 03:29.15 | asg | nvz: and taco bell |
| 03:29.29 | nvz | heh.. I'm not really into mexican food much.. other than tacos |
| 03:29.32 | arubin | I wouldn't serve Taco Bell's food to a dog |
| 03:29.38 | arubin | let alone a human |
| 03:29.47 | arubin | nvz: Taco Bell has no Mexican food |
| 03:29.51 | asg | guess nvz is sol then |
| 03:29.53 | nvz | arubin: funny thing is most dog food is of higher grade meat |
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| 03:31.11 | nvz | Thats like those Jack-In-A-Box places.. I'd never been to one until I went to Texas.. I think they are actually owned by the purina dog food company |
| 03:31.12 | arubin | nvz: neither Taco Bell nor dog food manufacturers use graded meat |
| 03:31.26 | arubin | USDA grades for beef are optional |
| 03:32.05 | arubin | the USDA either approves or rejects beef |
| 03:32.23 | arubin | it is only worth grading it if it is select, choice or prime |
| 03:32.28 | twobitsprite | strange... my xorg.conf is mostly empty, but I still have the right resolution and everything |
| 03:32.29 | SerajewelKS | can windows read lvm2 volumes? |
| 03:32.57 | asg | SerajewelKS: I'd be very surprised if it could |
| 03:33.01 | enouf | SerajewelKS: not sure, but windows dynamic volumes are a nono for linux, IINM |
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| 03:33.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yeah i knew dynamic volumes weren't an option |
| 03:33.20 | enouf | no homogenizing! |
| 03:33.23 | enouf | :P |
| 03:33.23 | SerajewelKS | maybe i should just read up on lvm |
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| 03:34.14 | enouf | SerajewelKS: whenever there's a mismatch between OS disk/FS compatibilty, use Networking to overcome ;-) |
| 03:34.21 | SerajewelKS | or experiment with it in a VM |
| 03:34.32 | enouf | that too |
| 03:34.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you mean run a file server? |
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| 03:35.02 | enouf | i mean, ethernet packets are basically unisex :-P |
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| 03:35.16 | SerajewelKS | sure but if the disk is on the same box... |
| 03:35.21 | twobitsprite | I think its the new version of x.org that's causing firefox to crash |
| 03:35.25 | enouf | can't think of correct word .. hrm Agnostic ?) |
| 03:35.29 | twobitsprite | anyone having the problem? |
| 03:35.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: platform-neutral |
| 03:35.49 | enouf | i like agnostic better :-P |
| 03:36.09 | enouf | but your definition workd |
| 03:36.17 | SerajewelKS | what's the Right Way to give a normal user access to /dev/kvm? |
| 03:36.20 | nvz | oh god.. I need a better movie to watch.. just realized mandy moore is in this movie |
| 03:37.07 | asg | SerajewelKS: give them sudo access to whatever needs access to /dev/kvm |
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| 03:38.01 | enouf | twobitsprite: using a 3d driver? |
| 03:38.08 | SerajewelKS | asg: uhm, no, i am not running kvm as root |
| 03:38.31 | asg | SerajewelKS: sudo can provide non-root access to users as well |
| 03:38.33 | SerajewelKS | asg: there is a pretty fundamental difference there |
| 03:39.02 | SerajewelKS | asg: /dev/kvm is 660 root:root and i recall that udev does wonky things like not persisting permissions or group ownership |
| 03:39.09 | enouf | SerajewelKS: is there a new related group created? |
| 03:39.21 | enouf | oh well - i mean kvm related |
| 03:39.24 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if there is i don't know why it didn't chgrp |
| 03:39.35 | enouf | well, check /etc/groups |
| 03:39.38 | SerajewelKS | interestingly enough it *did* create a group |
| 03:39.43 | SerajewelKS | why it's root:root i have no clue |
| 03:39.47 | enouf | ding ding |
| 03:39.55 | twobitsprite | enouf: I don't know... like I said, my x.org conf is practically empty |
| 03:40.03 | enouf | the /dev/ needs to be for some reason, not sure |
| 03:40.11 | twobitsprite | enouf: I've heard the new version doesn't need a lot of directives... |
| 03:40.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: still can't run kvm as my user though (and i did newgrp) |
| 03:40.18 | enouf | twobitsprite: that's normal with new Xorg |
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| 03:40.37 | enouf | twobitsprite: it's supposed to be mostly automagical |
| 03:40.39 | twobitsprite | enouf: how do I find out what driver it using |
| 03:40.57 | enouf | twobitsprite: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:41.11 | enouf | twobitsprite: ignore keys and mouse and crap |
| 03:41.16 | twobitsprite | looks like its using the right driver |
| 03:41.25 | twobitsprite | says its using intel_drv.so |
| 03:41.25 | enouf | which is? |
| 03:41.29 | enouf | ok |
| 03:41.39 | twobitsprite | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 03:42.11 | twobitsprite | anyways... it seems like flash is causing it to crash mostly |
| 03:42.21 | enouf | yeah, some are having issues with those - hrm, so what's wrong FirePoop crashes often only? |
| 03:42.30 | enouf | gah, FlashCrapShit |
| 03:42.51 | enouf | fades into the background |
| 03:42.59 | twobitsprite | it always crashes... whenever I visit a site with flash, it crashes |
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| 03:43.31 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:43.32 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo><adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:43.36 | liable | its a headache for me with flash too. weird rendering issues |
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| 03:43.52 | SerajewelKS | why would virt-manager not list kvm? |
| 03:43.55 | Nyle | nvz, ok |
| 03:43.59 | liable | jpegs sometime show as all black too |
| 03:44.05 | Nyle | simonrvn, shapened it |
| 03:44.19 | enouf | SerajewelKS: you have atleast two kvm modules loaded? i don't know much about it all though |
| 03:44.43 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yes, i do |
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| 03:44.48 | Nyle | simonrvn, enouf, nvz: http://picpaste.com/pics/debian_bg_with_logo.1214451849.jpg |
| 03:45.05 | SerajewelKS | virt-manager is not at ALL intuitive... |
| 03:45.26 | ogy | hello, it seems alsa is letting me down, is there a way i can make sure my hardware is ok? |
| 03:46.00 | enouf | Nyle: better, a little too mcuh with the sunburst though |
| 03:46.07 | Nyle | enouf, I like it |
| 03:46.34 | enouf | it's nice, but maybe make it fade out on the borders or into something |
| 03:46.42 | Nyle | enouf, I can do many diff colors on this same wallpapers |
| 03:46.51 | Nyle | whatever you want |
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| 03:47.04 | linkmaster03 | how do I scroll up in a TTY? |
| 03:47.08 | Nyle | page up |
| 03:47.13 | enouf | shift+pageup |
| 03:47.18 | Nyle | you know I should sharpen the logo |
| 03:47.21 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 03:47.23 | enouf | right |
| 03:47.28 | karstensrage | anyone here in santa cruz? |
| 03:47.34 | linkmaster03 | thank you enouf that worked |
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| 03:48.02 | SerajewelKS | god |
| 03:48.05 | enouf | ogy: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 03:48.10 | SerajewelKS | whoever said kvm was better than virtualbox... jeez |
| 03:48.13 | pickcoder | Nyle: my eyes are on fire! |
| 03:48.21 | pickcoder | prefers cooling backdrops |
| 03:48.22 | enouf | heh |
| 03:48.37 | SerajewelKS | let's make a UI that gives fucking useless error messages. that's usability. |
| 03:48.48 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: just load Windoze |
| 03:48.54 | enouf | SerajewelKS: so, you have hardware VT support? or using Qemu for soft ? |
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| 03:49.09 | pickcoder | takes that back.. the debuggin has gotten better |
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| 03:49.32 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i have hardware VT support. the VMM has no option for kvm. so i pick qemu and it tells me that i'm not authenticated. and it gives me NO FUCKING INPUTS for username/password. |
| 03:49.35 | Supaplex | windows CEMENT. hard as a rock, and dumb as a brick. |
| 03:49.49 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: who says i'm using windows |
| 03:49.54 | enouf | SerajewelKS: that might be an issue ;-P |
| 03:49.55 | twobitsprite | enouf: hey, that did the trick, thanks... I was installing libflash-mosplugin instead of flashplayer-nonfree |
| 03:50.09 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: never mind.. |
| 03:50.16 | enouf | twobitsprite: heh, oh how i loathe helping flashcrapoop users :-P |
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| 03:53.36 | Wyzard | Supaplex: That joke doesn't work as well without the image that it's from |
| 03:55.26 | enouf | hey, i shouldn't be seeing "direct rendering : yes" when using the Xorg 'nv' driver on this old crap 32MB AGP tnt2 card, should i? |
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| 03:55.36 | enouf | er, from glxinfo |
| 03:55.48 | Wyzard | enouf: Not for the nv driver, no |
| 03:55.56 | enouf | ok, thanks ;-) |
| 03:56.03 | Wyzard | afaik that driver doesn't implement 3D acceleration for any GPU, even old ones |
| 03:56.06 | enouf | i thought not |
| 03:56.10 | Supaplex | nv doesn't support 3d afaik |
| 03:56.25 | enouf | so DRI is 3D ? hrm |
| 03:56.34 | twobitsprite | enouf: yeah yeah... :P |
| 03:56.37 | enouf | (+ drm i guess) |
| 03:56.44 | enouf | twobitsprite: ;-) |
| 03:56.54 | twobitsprite | I'm not as much of a purist as you, obviously :) |
| 03:59.38 | Supaplex | !nv |
| 03:59.39 | dpkg | it has been said that nv is the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that, or http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/NVIDIA |
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| 04:00.24 | enouf | Wyzard: i guess i'm confused as to what the various mesa pkgs do . like libgl1-mesa-glx{dri} and such, and what opengl actually is .. bah, nm .. i could read about it all .. (the diffs between fglrx and say aiglx, though i know aiglx is indirect as someone explained here recently) , but i thought mesa3d does 3D, but i guess it's all in software? and where does the 'xv' driver fit into all this? .. bah gah and grah |
| 04:01.06 | enouf | yeah yeah .. i know .. i'll go read about it all .. |
| 04:03.03 | enouf | twobitsprite: well, i just think something so wildly used shouldn't be proprietary crap - i'm sure most things made using flash aren't even worth spit, but as a form of comm, i think weenies should be using an open standard - ogg/vorbis/theora works, not to mention others |
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| 04:03.47 | enouf | twobitsprite: basically flash must die! :-) |
| 04:04.30 | Supaplex | people said the same about java, but now it has a better license |
| 04:07.48 | enouf | for over 2 years now, it's still shit |
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| 04:08.53 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 04:08.53 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 04:08.55 | Supaplex | so work on gnash :P |
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| 04:11.43 | wols | enouf: mesa is not all software. it does support radeon, intel, radeonhd, etc |
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| 04:16.56 | Wyzard | enouf: OpenGL is an API... a set of functions that programs can call to draw stuff |
| 04:17.02 | Wyzard | enouf: It's implemented in a shared library |
| 04:17.25 | Wyzard | enouf: Mesa is an OpenGL implementation that does its work entirely in software |
| 04:17.56 | Wyzard | enouf: nVidia's and ATI's drivers provide their own OpenGL implementations (libGL.so) which talk to their hardware in proprietary ways to tell the hardware to do the actual work |
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| 04:18.17 | enouf | thank Wyzard .. just was/am eating |
| 04:18.41 | Wyzard | enouf: Mesa can also offload the work to the GPU through DRI if there's a DRM module for that GPU |
| 04:19.48 | Wyzard | enouf: When you install nvidia-glx or whatever ATI's equivalent is, it diverts Mesa's libGL.so and installs its own (the proprietary one)... without one of those, you have Mesa's libGL, which does hardware rendering if possible, else software |
| 04:21.20 | Wyzard | enouf: AIGLX is something else... something that uses OpenGL, not an implementation of it |
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| 04:26.55 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: ATI's is fglrx |
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| 04:28.03 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: yeah, but I don't know if that's the name of the actual package containing the OpenGL library (like nVidia has nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, and the latter is the xorg driver and libGL which depends on the kernel module in the former) |
| 04:28.46 | enouf | Wyzard: you've explained much, thank you |
| 04:28.51 | enouf | wols: thanks as well |
| 04:28.59 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: fglrx-glx |
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| 04:29.15 | wols | Wyzard: fglrx-driver afaik |
| 04:29.30 | SerajewelKS | wols: that's the X driver. -glx has the libGL |
| 04:30.10 | soblue | I just had some trouble running my IRC client (XChat). It kept saying I was klined on IP 127.0.0.1. I reinstalled xchat with aptitude and now it works, but it has me worried: why was it trying to connect through loopback? Do I have a security problem? |
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| 04:31.23 | enouf | Wyzard: so suffice to say, mesa basically implements a fake dri (not saying that derogatorially) when it's needed? |
| 04:32.12 | wols | yes, mesa is a software only OpenGL fallback solution |
| 04:32.13 | Wyzard | enouf: No, DRI is something Mesa uses to talk to the GPU to do hardware-accelerated rendering (where supported) |
| 04:32.24 | wols | like directx does the same for windows 3D |
| 04:32.42 | enouf | Wyzard: it's just, you say "you have Mesa's libGL, which does hardware rendering if possible" , but earlier you say; "Mesa is an OpenGL implementation that does its work entirely in software" |
| 04:33.08 | Wyzard | enouf: The earlier statement was not entirely true; I'd forgotten that Mesa supports accelerated rendering on cards that have DRM modules |
| 04:33.09 | enouf | is more confused - let's drop it .. i'm sorry |
| 04:33.23 | enouf | Oh, ok, i see thanks then |
| 04:33.29 | psychonate | anyone know a telnet client that allows one to telnet through a proxy? |
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| 04:33.52 | Wyzard | enouf: If the kernel has a DRM module for your GPU, Mesa can use DRI (the Direct Rendering Interface) to talk to the DRM module (Direct Rendering Module) to use the card's acceleration features |
| 04:33.54 | enouf | Wyzard: how easy is it to find out if one's card has "DRM modules" available? |
| 04:33.58 | soblue | Maybe I should be asking on #xchat. |
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| 04:34.15 | Wyzard | enouf: If there's no DRM module for your GPU, Mesa can't do anything useful with DRI, and just does the rendering in software |
| 04:34.16 | SerajewelKS | psychonate: look at the corkscrew package |
| 04:34.17 | enouf | Wyzard: so, this is all kernel modules, not xorg |
| 04:35.04 | enouf | Wyzard: i get that - but how to check? grep kernel source? the ./drivers/char/dri and such? |
| 04:35.16 | Wyzard | enouf: sort of... xorg participates in the "setup" process of creating a window so Mesa knows what region of the screen to draw in, but doesn't particpate in the actual OpenGL rendering process |
| 04:35.41 | Wyzard | enouf: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/char/drm |
| 04:35.47 | enouf | Wyzard: i see, well - where does xv come into that? goodness, am i jumping around ... |
| 04:36.19 | enouf | ~$ ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/char/drm |
| 04:36.24 | enouf | drm.ko i810.ko i830.ko i915.ko mga.ko r128.ko radeon.ko savage.ko sis.ko tdfx.ko via.ko |
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| 04:36.32 | enouf | no nvidia there :-/ |
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| 04:36.57 | enouf | i see matrox, radeon etc .... my kernel is old though, so don't go by that either |
| 04:37.04 | Wyzard | enouf: xv is an interface for video playback, which is typically implemented by talking to the "overlay" part of the video card's 2D pipeline, which is designed for that purpose -- this has nothing to do with OpenGL or 3D anything |
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| 04:37.41 | enouf | really .. ugh .. ok, so does it talk to xlib? or bypasses it? |
| 04:38.55 | Wyzard | The video-playing application uses xlib to set up xv, I assume |
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| 04:38.55 | Wyzard | but the xv implementation is part of the X server |
| 04:38.55 | Wyzard | xlib is the client library that applications use to talk to the X server |
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| 04:39.49 | Wyzard | If you're using a composited desktop (e.g. compiz or whatever), your xv likely works differently, drawing video frames via OpenGL rather than through the video card's legacy 2D overlay hardware |
| 04:39.51 | enouf | Wyzard: ok, .. i was just mentioning how i see xv claimed to be using hardware acceleration as opposed to X11, or others listed in say man mplayer .. but this xv stuff really goes off on it's own tangent, so |
| 04:40.07 | Wyzard | yeah, that's a completely different sort of acceleration than OpenGL |
| 04:40.16 | enouf | i see, thank you |
| 04:40.18 | Wyzard | (unless, as I mentioned, xv is implemented as a layer on top of OpenGL) |
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| 04:41.20 | Wyzard | A modern video card still provides the same basic 2D engine as video cards ten years ago |
| 04:42.05 | Wyzard | for backward compatibility... like how a brand-new 64-bit Core 2 Duo boots up in 16-bit 8086-compatible mode and has to be switched into actual operating mode by the BIOS and OS kernel |
| 04:42.08 | enouf | Wyzard: so really, as it pertains to drm/dri and glxinfo output, i shouldn't be looking at 'nv' the Xorg module, but kernel modules, such as drm.ko, dri.ko, agpgart, etc? |
| 04:42.30 | Wyzard | Well, there's no DRI/DRM support for nVidia cards |
| 04:42.46 | Wyzard | so Mesa can't do any sort of accelerated drawing; it has to do its work in software |
| 04:43.19 | Wyzard | The reason there's no DRI/DRM for nVidia is because nVidia doesn't provide specs with which to write one, and their hardware is complex and difficult to reverse-engineer |
| 04:43.43 | enouf | Wyzard: see now, i recall reading about that WAY back when .. then i saw people using dri and drm modules in their xorg.conf (i realize these are not kernel modules) but i guess the proprietary 3D driver really what does the work? |
| 04:43.45 | Wyzard | the only thing that knows how to talk to their cards' 3D engine and make it do accelerated stuff is their proprietary driver |
| 04:44.01 | Wyzard | In the case of nVidia, yes |
| 04:44.29 | Wyzard | If you had, say, a Matrox card, you'd be using Mesa's libGL, which would talk to the Matrox DRM module in the kernel, to tell the hardware to draw stuff |
| 04:44.41 | enouf | i mean, it makes/uses/loads it's own built kernel module, as you mentioned, which is binary blob related |
| 04:45.06 | enouf | (that was pertaining to nvidia) |
| 04:45.25 | Wyzard | nvidia-kernel provides nVidia's libGL.so with low-level access to the GPU, more or less analogous to what the DRM kernel module does for other GPUs |
| 04:45.49 | enouf | i see, and nvidia-glx is a part of that? |
| 04:46.45 | Wyzard | nvidia-glx is a) an xorg driver (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so) and b) an OpenGL implementation (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1) |
| 04:46.48 | enouf | thinks about looking into other platforms that bypass all this nonsense, and let's all friggin apps talk directly to hardware ;-) |
| 04:46.59 | Wyzard | You mean DOS? :-P |
| 04:47.04 | enouf | ... |
| 04:47.11 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:47.50 | enouf | that's real mode 16bit crap .. not that, no .. something more akin to directfb i guess |
| 04:48.19 | Wyzard | I don't know much about DirectFB |
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| 04:48.35 | Wyzard | but you can't really have multiple things talking to the GPU at the same time |
| 04:48.40 | enouf | neither .. but i know it makes shit work well in console ;-) |
| 04:48.45 | Supaplex | I had directfb once, until the magic smoke escaped :) |
| 04:48.53 | obnauticus | I just compiled a kernel module that i got off the internet, where do i copypasta the .ko file to so that i can modprobe it? |
| 04:48.53 | enouf | haha |
| 04:49.30 | Supaplex | uh copy paste kernel modules? hahaha wow. that's a new one. |
| 04:49.41 | enouf | obnauticus: erm, not sure about d/l a module off the internet, lmao, but it goes in ... and uses depmod -a |
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| 04:49.57 | obnauticus | no i compiled it. |
| 04:50.00 | Supaplex | he's trying to haxor the new box he pwned |
| 04:50.04 | obnauticus | uhh no |
| 04:50.07 | kanzure | Are there any laptop power management packages that I can install ? I'd like to be able to go into a restricted power usage mode where, say, the laptop has the kernel running and it's recording key presses directly into a file on the hard drive, and nothing else except an interrupt key to boot it back into powerhog mode. |
| 04:50.11 | obnauticus | i just hate debian and i use freebsd more than this shit :) |
| 04:50.12 | kanzure | Is something like this around ? |
| 04:50.15 | Supaplex | obnauticus: so you don't own it? |
| 04:50.19 | obnauticus | so shut the fuck up :) |
| 04:50.23 | enouf | ... |
| 04:50.25 | obnauticus | it's in my server rack right next to me. |
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| 04:50.34 | EvilDin | hi, anyone know if it is possible to detect dhcp option 82 with tcpdump somehow ? |
| 04:50.36 | obnauticus | thanks for the help. |
| 04:50.38 | EvilDin | i need to know if it is even enabled |
| 04:50.39 | Supaplex | oh, okay. I can help you some other day. man. |
| 04:50.41 | enouf | go stand in the corner |
| 04:50.55 | EvilDin | or any other way to check it if option 82 is enabled |
| 04:51.02 | liable | obnauticus: in /lib/modules/,kernel-version> |
| 04:51.11 | obnauticus | that is what i did, liable. |
| 04:51.19 | obnauticus | and i cannot use modprobe to load the module |
| 04:51.24 | obnauticus | but hold on |
| 04:51.30 | Supaplex | obnauticus: maybe insmod |
| 04:51.31 | liable | did you run depmod -ae? |
| 04:51.43 | liable | insmod will work if you give the full path |
| 04:51.43 | Supaplex | EvilDin: dhcpdump |
| 04:51.45 | obnauticus | im doing that right now. |
| 04:52.02 | enouf | kanzure: you can likely control cpufreqd via echo [value] > /sys/power/././ |
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| 04:52.48 | enouf | kanzure: some general usage examples http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
| 04:54.13 | enouf | obnauticus: put it in it's appropriate /dir beneath /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/ .. modprobe looks there |
| 04:59.07 | liable | wow, 5 minutes of silence |
| 04:59.21 | liable | not even a join/part, thought my net had died.. |
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| 05:09.18 | Agiofws | does anyone know how to use the line to mark out stuff from a list in OOO ? |
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| 05:12.27 | EvilDin | Supaplex: why do i get at option 82: Circuit-ID *MALFORMED -- TOO LARGE* |
| 05:12.28 | enouf | liable: how's the wifi stuff coming along? and which card if any would you recommend as a wifi addon for a Desktop PC? (atheros is madwifi? and ralink is serialmonkey? .. and ipwXXXX and iwlwifi are not really available as addons/externals are they? (PCI / PCMCIA / ExpressCard ) (they likely need the mobos intel chipset to do their thing) |
| 05:13.08 | enouf | Agiofws: #openoffice.org ? and it's variants? |
| 05:14.07 | enouf | Agiofws: with freenodes new shit, you now have to do /msg ALIS list #*<keyword>* to search for channel names |
| 05:14.34 | Supaplex | EvilDin: no idea. grab the RFC's or look at the source, or try decoding it by hand |
| 05:14.48 | enouf | what used to be a simple /cs list #*<keyword>* |
| 05:14.53 | EvilDin | aha ok tnx |
| 05:15.12 | liable | enouf: poking along. i tend to gravitate towrds atheros chips, though ath5k still isnt all that mature. madwifi is generally not too bad, and hopefully ath5k improves soon and gets newer chipset support. |
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| 05:16.27 | enouf | liable: do the ath5k .. oh nm .. i know a list i could search .. this is why i like older harwdare - (much/most/all) support work is done |
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| 05:17.04 | liable | yup, 5212 chips are generally well supported. |
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| 05:18.44 | enouf | we should implement a law, all people using linux aren't allowed new hardware, only developers are allowed (so they can get the shit done :-P), but i know; user feedback is paramount .. ugh .. you stupid windows weenie supporters! |
| 05:19.53 | Supaplex | I've tried to give hardware away in hopes of some devloper taking a crack at it. EFAIL :( |
| 05:19.57 | enouf | </there oughta be a law rant> |
| 05:20.10 | enouf | ouch :-{ |
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| 05:21.37 | Nyle | enouf, http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_blue.jpg |
| 05:22.11 | Nyle | mild light enough? |
| 05:22.14 | Nyle | too light? |
| 05:22.22 | enouf | isn't that pretty much what it looks like now? :-) |
| 05:22.28 | Nyle | what? |
| 05:22.32 | enouf | who? |
| 05:22.55 | enouf | it's nice - a bit bland, but not offensive ;-) |
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| 05:30.59 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian_swirl_black.red.jpg |
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| 05:31.43 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/debian_bg.jpg <-- no logo |
| 05:31.57 | Nyle | only symbol |
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| 05:33.46 | roe | I bought a cheapo sata card that seems to use the sata_inic162x module, i can't get the system to recognize any disk connected to it. Does anyone have a different experience? |
| 05:36.59 | enouf | so, is the module loaded? |
| 05:37.24 | roe | yea |
| 05:37.31 | Nyle | http://picpaste.com/pferd.jpg |
| 05:37.35 | Nyle | gotta see this |
| 05:37.42 | Nyle | horse going though a freaking wind shield |
| 05:37.53 | roe | I am running version .3 which is in 2.6.24 and forward |
| 05:38.12 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/drivers/ata/sata_inic162x.c |
| 05:38.28 | enouf | version .3 of what? |
| 05:38.40 | roe | of the module |
| 05:38.52 | enouf | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:39.11 | enouf | cat /proc/version too |
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| 05:40.32 | Nyle | alright |
| 05:40.35 | Nyle | enough gimp for tonight |
| 05:40.46 | Nyle | damn i didn't even notice it was 2am already almost |
| 05:41.05 | Supaplex | it's nearly 3am in the next time zone |
| 05:41.14 | Supaplex | and 4am in the one next to that |
| 05:41.18 | Supaplex | and 5am ... |
| 05:41.52 | roe | 4.0 |
| 05:41.57 | roe | but I pulled a kernel from lenny |
| 05:42.01 | macoute_ | when a kernel says "Oops!" you should be kinda worried, right? |
| 05:42.07 | macoute_ | to syslog, that is |
| 05:42.20 | Supaplex | !oops |
| 05:42.20 | dpkg | i heard oops is "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops |
| 05:42.25 | enouf | roe: should work then, what's the BIOS say about the conn drives? |
| 05:42.37 | roe | if the bios sees the drive |
| 05:42.41 | macoute_ | !ksymoops |
| 05:42.42 | dpkg | somebody said ksymoops was every time modutils loads a module it saves the current kernel symbol table in /var/log/ksymoops, to help debugging kernel oops's. ksymoops is the program that interprets an oops using this data. |
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| 05:43.02 | wols | macoute_: it's not as bad as a kernel panic :) |
| 05:43.03 | enouf | roe: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 05:43.27 | macoute_ | wols: it surely isnt, my computer still runs :) |
| 05:43.43 | roe | ii libc6 2.7-10 |
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| 05:44.04 | enouf | roe: well congrats. you're running lenny |
| 05:44.09 | roe | yes |
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| 05:44.22 | enouf | the debian_version lies |
| 05:44.29 | roe | I didn't do a full dist-upgrade |
| 05:44.40 | enouf | i realize |
| 05:44.46 | roe | but I happened to install locate from lenny which upgraded my libc package |
| 05:45.10 | enouf | no, the kernel likely pulled it in, though i could be mistaken |
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| 05:46.02 | roe | regardless, it doesn't seem to help me any |
| 05:46.17 | roe | and it looks like the same version of that module is in 2.6.25 as well |
| 05:46.42 | enouf | you said "if the bios sees the drive" .. why are you asking me? |
| 05:46.53 | macoute_ | wols: but if my hardware isnt broken we have a bug in kernel or syslogd, right? |
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| 05:47.16 | enouf | roe: and who's to say those drives aren't dead crap |
| 05:47.29 | roe | if the bios sees the drive then it isn't a hardware issue, but more likely a driver issue. Thus my question to the community. It seems like other people have gotten this module working properly |
| 05:47.54 | enouf | roe: no, you didn't answer a question i asked, you asked a question in return |
| 05:48.01 | wols | macoute_: probably yes |
| 05:48.04 | roe | it is a possibility, it is a brand new 750gb seagate drive |
| 05:48.23 | roe | I guess I missed your question |
| 05:48.25 | wols | macoute_: what's the oops about? |
| 05:48.28 | enouf | roe: you said "if the bios sees the drive" .. <-- what the F does that mean? |
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| 05:49.15 | roe | ah, there is an on board bios that loads after the main bios, and it reports the drive as present |
| 05:49.46 | macoute_ | wols: im not sure yet |
| 05:50.02 | macoute_ | http://pastebin.com/m428b3cbd my dmesg |
| 05:50.23 | enouf | right, main BIOS + controller card bios .. so, what's the dealio with BOTH of those |
| 05:50.42 | enouf | and.. .what makes you think linux doesn;t see it? |
| 05:51.20 | enouf | "i can't get the system to recognize any disk connected to it." is not a valid error :-) |
| 05:51.32 | roe | the main bios does not see the additional HD, the controller card bios does. fdisk -l does not report the drive as present, nor does dmesg |grep sd |
| 05:51.53 | enouf | well, better sort out your main bios issues |
| 05:52.12 | enouf | it should see the controller card + drives |
| 05:52.12 | Wyzard | It's normal for the main BIOS to not "see" drives connected to an add-in controller |
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| 05:52.31 | enouf | it should see the controller card at the least |
| 05:53.07 | enouf | it prolly one of those crap cards that needs RAID, or the config needs to be put in JBOD mode |
| 05:53.24 | Wyzard | I don't think I've seen a system's BIOS report the presence of an add-in controller card |
| 05:53.49 | roe | there is an option in the controller bios for "passthrough" or "raid" and it is set to passthrough |
| 05:53.54 | Wyzard | roe: Unload and reload the kernel module and see what lines (if any) appear in dmesg |
| 05:54.01 | enouf | Wyzard: well, maybe i'm referring to when you boot from drives connected |
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| 05:54.47 | Wyzard | enouf: The main BIOS can hand-off control to another controller's BIOS, and that corresponds to the "add-in controller cards" option you'll often see in your boot-order settings... but afaik that's the only real interaction between them |
| 05:55.32 | enouf | Wyzard: yes - and that's what i meant i guess -- you're not going to boot from a drive connected to PCI bus if the BIOS doesn't recognize thje controller card |
| 05:55.52 | roe | Wyzard, I think that made the problem apparent |
| 05:56.05 | roe | ata4.00: ERROR: This driver doesn't support LBA48 yet and may cause |
| 05:56.05 | roe | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.08 | Wyzard | enouf: but roe isn't trying to boot from it |
| 05:56.13 | roe | I was afraid it was something like that |
| 05:56.13 | enouf | are you hot adding drive? |
| 05:56.23 | tenzind | Hi.. everytime i boot my Desktop, the bios time starts from Jan 1, 2003 .. what could the problem be? |
| 05:56.28 | Wyzard | roe: ah... that's bad, and I'm rather surprised that a driver actually has that limitation these days |
| 05:56.41 | enouf | Wyzard: are you sure? i guess it would appear so - after he finally answered some questions |
| 05:57.02 | roe | it is a crap card |
| 05:57.15 | Wyzard | roe: Last time I saw that limitation was in 2002 or so with a Promise Ultra100 controller (and in that case it was just silent data corruption, no convenient error message like you get) |
| 05:57.19 | enouf | nice |
| 05:57.38 | enouf | another POS to step on and crush |
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| 05:59.08 | Wyzard | tenzind: dead CMOS battery maybe? |
| 05:59.19 | enouf | heh http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/drivers/ata/sata_inic162x.c#L492 |
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| 06:00.09 | roe | so unless I want to use <137gb disks I should use it as a frisbee? |
| 06:00.11 | enouf | haha @ "* This controller is braindamaged. dma_boundary is 0xffff ...." |
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| 06:00.36 | enouf | bingo |
| 06:00.42 | Wyzard | hmm, "inic can only handle up to LBA28 max sectors" suggests it's a hardware limitation, though "doesn't support LBA48 yet" would seem to suggest otherwise |
| 06:01.02 | Wyzard | The comments at the top of the file say "this controller is eccentric and easily locks up if something isn't right" |
| 06:01.48 | roe | that is what you get with a 12buck card |
| 06:02.26 | Wyzard | roe: If you can, see if you can find an AHCI controller... some JMicrons use AHCI, and you might be able to find one of those as an add-in card |
| 06:03.10 | Wyzard | Only for PCIe though... I've looked and haven't found any legacy PCI cards that are AHCI |
| 06:03.20 | roe | I have promise cards that will work, but I have 5 disks, and only 4 port promise cards, so it would have been nice not to waste a second 4port card |
| 06:03.35 | Wyzard | ah |
| 06:03.40 | arubin | I have a new clean minimal Debian install |
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| 06:03.49 | arubin | what is the recommended package to get gcc and such? |
| 06:03.56 | Wyzard | arubin: build-essential |
| 06:03.58 | enouf | tenzind: ?? in all OSes? your CMOS is not storing it;s settings - replace CMOS battery or use "Exit Saving Changes" once you set the time in BIOS |
| 06:04.02 | arubin | is a FreeBSD guy |
| 06:04.03 | arubin | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 06:04.51 | arubin | hmm |
| 06:04.55 | arubin | which it didn't install Perl... |
| 06:05.00 | arubin | wish rather |
| 06:05.05 | arubin | oh well |
| 06:05.14 | tenzind | enouf: I have only Debian on it. And even doing setting and saving the time wont work. The next time i boot .. its the same :( |
| 06:05.41 | Wyzard | That sounds like a dead battery then |
| 06:05.44 | enouf | tenzind: listen to what i said |
| 06:05.55 | enouf | er reread ;-) |
| 06:05.56 | Wyzard | or, make sure the "clear CMOS" jumper on your motherboard isn't accidentally set |
| 06:06.07 | enouf | true .. point |
| 06:06.27 | tenzind | enouf: yeah .. looks like i may have to change the CMOS batteries :) |
| 06:06.42 | tenzind | will check that too .. |
| 06:06.42 | enouf | tenzind: check your mobo CMOS jumper - make sure it's not in reset/recovery/maintanence mode |
| 06:06.57 | enouf | Normal mode ;-) |
| 06:07.25 | Wyzard | I bought a motherboard recently that actually has a clear-CMOS button on the back, just below the PS/2 ports |
| 06:07.42 | enouf | push-button? cool |
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| 06:07.50 | Wyzard | yep |
| 06:08.02 | Wyzard | and power and reset buttons on the board (useful if it's taken out of the case) |
| 06:08.38 | tenzind | my mobo wont have that button. Its an old (but never used) one for my P41.5 GHZ . Had to search all over town to get it :) |
| 06:08.56 | enouf | 41.5GHz? O_o |
| 06:08.57 | Wyzard | They're backlit buttons, too, with the word "CMOS" or "RESET" or the power symbol glowing |
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| 06:09.12 | tenzind | P4, 1.5GHZ |
| 06:09.14 | tenzind | hehe |
| 06:09.22 | enouf | i know :-P |
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| 06:10.58 | tenzind | and with just 256Mb memmory.. even debian with gnome desktop wont run properly .. may be its just too old |
| 06:11.31 | Wyzard | You could try XFCE |
| 06:11.35 | enouf | tenzind: just add more RAM |
| 06:11.48 | enouf | oh ,, is that RDRAM? |
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| 06:12.24 | Wyzard | ugh, RDRAM |
| 06:12.29 | enouf | early p4 were using RIMMs .. but nice FSB to RAM speed match @ 3200MB/sec |
| 06:12.31 | hsuj | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.05 | Wyzard | My mother had a computer with 256MB of RDRAM... she was running Photoshop on it, digitally restoring old photographs, and it was pretty bad |
| 06:13.25 | Wyzard | I gave her a new one as a Mother's Day gift, with 1GB of DDR, and then a few weeks later its motherboard got fried by a power spike in a storm :-( |
| 06:13.41 | enouf | ... |
| 06:13.58 | netdaemon | photoshop is a curse ;) |
| 06:14.00 | netdaemon | j/k |
| 06:14.01 | Wyzard | offtopic, I know :-) |
| 06:14.45 | tenzind | my present ram has DDR RAM 256 333 on its label .. has a single cut or whatever we call those .. I may need to educate myself on RMAs .. :) |
| 06:14.58 | tenzind | RAMs * |
| 06:15.13 | enouf | then just get more ;-) |
| 06:15.27 | tenzind | :) |
| 06:15.29 | netdaemon | ram is very cheap nowdays |
| 06:15.31 | enouf | a LOT more ... |
| 06:15.35 | OpenTokix | dirt cheap |
| 06:15.46 | netdaemon | i got 4 gigs for $120 or $130 USD |
| 06:15.52 | netdaemon | 2 2 gig modules |
| 06:15.54 | enouf | DDR2 is much cheaper than 1 or pc100/133 |
| 06:15.59 | netdaemon | ddr2 800 |
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| 06:17.58 | Wyzard | netdaemon: Sounds about right... I got 2x2GB of DDR2-1066 for $150 about a month and a half ago |
| 06:18.10 | tenzind | Todo: 1. Change CMOs battery. 2. Buy more RAM |
| 06:18.32 | Wyzard | (then discovered that there's technically no such thing as DDR2-1066, and it appears to the system as DDR2-800 that happens to be safe to overclock to 1066) |
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| 06:19.06 | netdaemon | Wyzard, nice =) |
| 06:19.22 | netdaemon | Wyzard, i was looking into 1066 but didn't see much point for my uses |
| 06:19.40 | Wyzard | The price difference wasn't that much and it was for a gaming system so I figured I might as well |
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| 06:20.02 | netdaemon | i think the 1066 is just pre OC'd anyways |
| 06:20.11 | nvz | EvilDin: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3046.html |
| 06:20.17 | Hail_Spacecake | is it dangerous to have X installed on a computer that is to be used as a webserver? |
| 06:20.17 | Wyzard | but I'm running it at 800 for now since that's what the motherboard's "auto" settings put it at... it's fine performance-wise, and I can OC it later if I need to |
| 06:20.31 | netdaemon | anyone familiar with menu and menu-xdg packages? |
| 06:20.34 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 06:20.43 | nvz | damn stupid client not scrolling |
| 06:20.43 | netdaemon | just wondering what benifit menu-xdg would give me |
| 06:20.44 | Wyzard | netdaemon: well, it doesn't really clock itself at all... it tells the motherboard what type of RAM it is, and the motherboard runs it at the appropriate speed |
| 06:21.05 | Wyzard | netdaemon: but it can't tell the motherboard it's DDR2-1066 because there's no such thing, so it tells the motherboard it's DDR2-800 |
| 06:21.15 | netdaemon | ah |
| 06:21.20 | netdaemon | i see =) |
| 06:21.48 | netdaemon | i'm going to try this here menu-xdg package and see if it spififies my obmenu up a bit more...its only a few more megs :P |
| 06:21.54 | Wyzard | Some RAM modules and motherboards support a nonstandard extension that lets the RAM actually report as 1066, but either my board or my RAM don't support that (haven't checked which) |
| 06:22.09 | netdaemon | probably the motherboard |
| 06:22.15 | netdaemon | i think this board only supports up to 800 |
| 06:23.21 | Wyzard | It's an Abit IX38 QuadGT, which is a fairly top-of-the-line gamer/overclocker-type board, so I'd expect it to support the extension, so I'm guessing it's the RAM that doesn't |
| 06:23.24 | Wyzard | but I don't really care enough to check |
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| 06:24.09 | Wyzard | I should probably stop talking about my Windows gaming computer in #debian though :-) |
| 06:24.25 | netdaemon | eh mines just an asus p5e-vm hdmi =) |
| 06:24.29 | netdaemon | multimedia board |
| 06:24.41 | netdaemon | power to game if need be, but meh |
| 06:24.46 | netdaemon | i build it for virtualization |
| 06:25.07 | Hail_Spacecake | Wyzard, you could talk about it if you installed debian on it, though :) |
| 06:26.18 | netdaemon | abiword has gotten really nice |
| 06:27.26 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: I've booted the Ubuntu liveCD on it a few times, which almost counts |
| 06:27.42 | netdaemon | doesn't count at all! |
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| 06:28.35 | Wyzard | Actually, a few days ago I tried installing etch on it (on a separate hard drive, with the Windows one disconnected) but couldn't because 2.6.18 apparently doesn't support AHCI |
| 06:28.53 | Wyzard | nor realtek 8169 Ethernet |
| 06:29.44 | ameyer | I think my lappy has a realtek 8169-based PC card and runs etch |
| 06:29.59 | ameyer | well, my other recently semi-retired lappy |
| 06:30.10 | Wyzard | no, correction: IIRC it does support AHCI, but the AHCI driver doesn't recognize the ICH9's controller as something it supports |
| 06:30.22 | Wyzard | Are you sure it's 8169 and not 8139? |
| 06:30.26 | Wyzard | 8169 is the gigabit one |
| 06:30.49 | ameyer | no, it'd be 10/100, so I guess 8139 |
| 06:31.13 | Wyzard | 8139 has been supported by Linux for ages |
| 06:31.28 | ameyer | longer than Windows, apparently |
| 06:31.41 | ameyer | if you only count out of the box support |
| 06:32.04 | ameyer | which Windows 2000 lacked despite it being ridiculously common back in the day |
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| 06:35.16 | Wyzard | common indeed... I have about seven of them sitting in a bin now, with no use for them anymore |
| 06:35.16 | Nyle | simonrvn, ping |
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| 06:37.19 | ameyer | and, if there's one thing that absolutely has to have a driver out of the box, it's the (choose one of the following) ethernet/modem/wifi |
| 06:37.39 | ameyer | well, obviously excluding the disk controller |
| 06:38.45 | Wyzard | I'd say the disk controller is more important... I'm actually dealing with that problem on a Windows machine right now |
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| 06:39.26 | Wyzard | (the aforementioned one with the damaged motherboard... I replaced the board with a spare one, but now it's VIA instead of nForce and Windows can't boot because it doesn't have that driver installed) |
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| 06:40.26 | Zenox | do i have to regenerate initrd (using grub) after creating raid5 with mdadm (right now i only updated fstab and mdadm.conf)? |
| 06:41.01 | Hail_Spacecake | how can you have a disk controller driver? |
| 06:41.02 | Wyzard | Zenox: probably, since your existing initrd probably lacks support for booting from RAID |
| 06:41.07 | Hail_Spacecake | booting the system itself requires disk access |
| 06:41.11 | Hail_Spacecake | long before any drivers are loaded |
| 06:41.24 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: Initial disk access is done using BIOS routines |
| 06:41.44 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: On a Linux system, that's how lilo or grub load the kernel and initrd into memory |
| 06:41.57 | Wyzard | and the initrd contains the driver which is used by the kernel once it starts running |
| 06:42.10 | Zenox | Wyzard: i will not boot from the raid5, only automount it using fstab |
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| 06:42.22 | Wyzard | Zenox: oh, then your initrd doesn't care at all |
| 06:42.25 | Hail_Spacecake | why can't the booted system use those bios routines? |
| 06:42.57 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: That's a very generic mode of operation that can't use any of the controller's performance-enhancing features |
| 06:43.26 | Hail_Spacecake | so it can, it's just slow enough to be impractical? |
| 06:43.36 | Wyzard | It might actually be impossible once the system has switched from 16-bit mode to 32-bit protected mode, but I don't know that for sure |
| 06:43.42 | Zenox | Wyzard: ah okay, so it should be enough to update mdadm.conf and fstab then? had some problems with an removed drive every time i reboot (but i forgot to update mdadm.conf after i added it to the system) |
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| 06:44.23 | Wyzard | Zenox: For an array that's just mounted normally and not used in booting, initrd isn't involved so fstab and mdadm.conf should be all you need |
| 06:45.08 | Zenox | Wyzard: nice, rebooting to make sure :) thx for the help and quick response |
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| 06:51.13 | Usiu | HI |
| 06:51.15 | Usiu | is BTS server down ? |
| 06:51.34 | Usiu | apt-buglist does not download bug reports on upgrade |
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| 06:54.01 | siimo | hi is testing pkg versions frozen? |
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| 06:56.03 | arubin | I compiled some programs on a Debian vmware image and moved them to a Debian vps |
| 06:56.07 | alan_ | hi all, can anyone tell me how to use the php5-dbg package with apache, I need to do a back trace |
| 06:56.09 | arubin | when I try to run them I get "No such file or directory" |
| 06:56.30 | arubin | permissions look fine |
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| 07:00.21 | arubin | ah |
| 07:00.33 | arubin | I built them on a 32 bit machine |
| 07:00.41 | arubin | installing ia32-libs did the trick |
| 07:00.43 | arubin | hmm |
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| 07:01.17 | Zenox | same problem after rebooting.. getting the message "A DegradedArray event had been detected on md device /dev/md0", looking into /proc/mdstat and dmesg reviels that my added drive is not bound on startup (only the 3 first disks in the array). Anyone know how to fix? |
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| 07:01.47 | cizra | Hi. How to get debhelper 6 into Etch? |
| 07:01.55 | cizra | I want to build stuff that depends on it. |
| 07:01.55 | Zenox | Wyzard: Still there? :) |
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| 07:02.56 | Wyzard | yep |
| 07:03.09 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 07:03.34 | Wyzard | Had you previously "mdadm --add"ed the fourth disk to the array? |
| 07:04.53 | Zenox | Wyzard: yes, that was how i added it |
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| 07:05.02 | JyZyXEL | why am i not able to execute "glxinfo" from a remote computer? |
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| 07:05.17 | cizra | JyZyXEL: Do you have DISPLAY set? |
| 07:05.23 | JyZyXEL | cizra to what? |
| 07:05.37 | Wyzard | Zenox: Is the fourth disk connected to a different controller from the other three? |
| 07:05.39 | JyZyXEL | its empty |
| 07:06.03 | Zenox | Wyzard: no, i got 6 sataii connectors on the motherboard that all disks are connected to |
| 07:06.28 | cizra | JyZyXEL: I think you need to launch an X |
| 07:06.35 | Zenox | Wyzard: mdadm --query /dev/sde1 says "/dev/sde1: is not an md array" and "/dev/sde1: device 3 in 4 device mismatch raid5 /dev/md0. Use mdadm --examine for more detail." |
| 07:06.41 | JyZyXEL | cizra it is running already |
| 07:06.42 | cizra | JyZyXEL: then set DISPLAY=:0 or something |
| 07:06.50 | JyZyXEL | or something? |
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| 07:06.52 | cizra | Try |
| 07:06.56 | cizra | DISPLAY=:0.0 glxinfo |
| 07:07.05 | JyZyXEL | rror: unable to open display :0.0 |
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| 07:07.20 | cizra | Are you trying to run it with the same user who launched X? |
| 07:07.25 | JyZyXEL | no im not im root |
| 07:07.27 | Zenox | Wyzard: mdadm --examine /dev/sde1 seems okay though.. state: clean, raid level: 5 etc |
| 07:07.31 | cizra | Well, su to that user then. |
| 07:07.34 | Wyzard | Zenox: I'm not sure exactly what "device 3 in 4 device mismatch" means, but see what --examine says, I guess |
| 07:07.38 | cizra | su - theuser |
| 07:07.43 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 07:08.18 | Wyzard | Zenox: You might also check whether the array is being properly stopped at shutdown; not doing so could cause it to consider one of the disks out-of-sync and in need of rebuild |
| 07:08.35 | Wyzard | Zenox: though in that case it'd still assemble with all four and start rebuilding automatically, so I guess that probably isn't it |
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| 07:09.01 | Wyzard | Zenox: btw, if you have a controller with six SATA ports then I'm guessing it's an Intel one... go into your bios and set it to AHCI mode if you haven't already |
| 07:09.29 | Zenox | Wyzard: yea.. it's pretty weird as the fourth drive is not even bound at startup |
| 07:10.07 | Zenox | Wyzard: hmm unsure, will check it out.. could that generate this problem in that case? |
| 07:10.19 | cizra | JyZyXEL: Did it work? |
| 07:10.23 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 07:10.25 | Wyzard | Zenox: If it were on a different controller I'd say maybe it was trying to assemble the array before the other controller's driver had been loaded and thus before the fourth drive was "visible", but if they're all on the same controller then that shouldn't be possible |
| 07:10.45 | cizra | How to get debhelper 6 into Etch? I want to build stuff that depends on it. |
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| 07:11.08 | Wyzard | Zenox: No, AHCI vs. legacy mode has nothing to do with RAID functionality; AHCI is just better (you get NCQ and hotplug support) |
| 07:11.54 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, I've noticed ISPConfig isn't packaged for Debian at all. Is there a legal reason for this (like there was for Mplayer), or is it that there's simply no one offering to package it/maintain it? |
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| 07:12.19 | Zenox | Wyzard: ah hmm, i got an Asus M2N-E brick. doesnt seem to have intel on it at all when running hwinfo on it. |
| 07:12.39 | Wyzard | Zenox: When it's not in AHCI mode it's in legacy ICH5-compatible mode using the ata_piix driver... unfortunately that seems to always be the default setting, probably because it's supported by the Windows XP installer and AHCI isn't |
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| 07:13.06 | Wyzard | Zenox: oh, if it's not an Intel chipset then nevermind; I was just guessing it might be because I know those often have six ports |
| 07:13.23 | Wyzard | Zenox: (though some other controllers may support AHCI too -- I'm told the newer nForces do) |
| 07:14.27 | Zenox | Wyzard: ah, should look it up anyways i guess.. weird stuff that sde1 isn't considered (tried to be bound) at startup though |
| 07:14.53 | Zenox | Wyzard: should try to add it but not be able to i guess |
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| 07:15.59 | Zenox | Wyzard: mdadm --detail /dev/md0 says "removed" where sde1 should have been |
| 07:16.07 | Wyzard | interesting |
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| 07:17.04 | Wyzard | Do you have any messages in dmesg/syslog about "kicking non-fresh sde1 from array"? |
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| 07:17.49 | quentusrex | Does anyone know about the status of audio over hdmi ? |
| 07:18.04 | Zenox | Wyzard: no |
| 07:18.21 | Wyzard | Any messages at all about sde1? |
| 07:18.56 | Wyzard | and see if you can find the messages in dmesg from when the array was assembled during bootup |
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| 07:19.55 | Wyzard | (Look for lines in dmesg beginning with "md:" or "raid5:") |
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| 07:22.23 | Zenox | Wyzard: about sde it's some logs that it attaches it |
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| 07:23.20 | Zenox | Wyzard: no, sde is not anywhere near the md and raid5 lines... the other ones (sdb, sdc, sdd) is, but sde no |
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| 07:23.55 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't the sudo work it just says "sudo: unable to resolve host hostname" |
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| 07:24.06 | cizra | What's the command? |
| 07:24.06 | Zenox | Wyzard: dmesg.. md: bind<sdb1> (this bind is done for all drives except sde1) |
| 07:24.12 | JyZyXEL | cizra whatever |
| 07:24.16 | _cvn | hi is there a way to restrict the amount of diskspace a shell is allowed? |
| 07:24.25 | JyZyXEL | why does sudo have to resolve hostnames |
| 07:24.28 | cizra | JyZyXEL: You mean, any command? |
| 07:24.51 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 07:24.54 | JyZyXEL | even "sudo" |
| 07:24.54 | Wyzard | Zenox: That sounds like maybe the disk was removed from the array before shutdown, so it didn't think it even ought to do anything with it during bootup |
| 07:24.56 | cizra | weird |
| 07:25.02 | cizra | cvn: Disk quotas |
| 07:25.11 | JyZyXEL | i add myself to /etc/hosts |
| 07:25.36 | cizra | JyZyXEL: Something's way fucked up there. Why do you add yourself to /etc/hosts? |
| 07:25.42 | cizra | And what's that "yourself" you're adding there? |
| 07:25.42 | macoute_ | ive now narrowed a bit of my kernel oops :) |
| 07:25.51 | JyZyXEL | cizra cause im not there |
| 07:25.58 | macoute_ | i think it has to do with this http://pastebin.com/m44403362 (raid-related issue) |
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| 07:26.17 | JyZyXEL | works |
| 07:26.21 | cvn | cizra is it a package i need to install? |
| 07:26.23 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: If you're talking about your username, that doesn't even belong in /etc/hosts |
| 07:26.56 | cizra | cvn: I don't know, I've never actually used it. I know you have to set a mount option in /etc/fstab or somewhere, and also configure the quotas somehow. |
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| 07:27.48 | cvn | cizra i saw a module inside webmin that says Quota and the description is exactly what i wanted. but it says the package isn't installed. |
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| 07:28.18 | cizra | cvn: Well, I guess you'll have to install something then. |
| 07:28.33 | Wyzard | Zenox: I'd try mdadm --add'ing the disk again and watch dmesg to see if there are any messages about it being kicked out or something |
| 07:28.35 | cvn | ok i'll google for it ;)) |
| 07:28.46 | cizra | cvn: The packages quota and quotatool seems probable. |
| 07:29.09 | Wyzard | Zenox: It could be something like a defective disk with bad sectors that cause the md driver to automatically kick it out when it runs into I/O errors |
| 07:29.39 | Wyzard | Zenox: add it and wait for it to rebuild, just to see if it succeeds |
| 07:30.08 | marian | hi want to install debian 4.0 etch but i dont know to configure iptables and firewal for use debian as gateway internet for a small home network can anybody help me wit a link to find a tutorial for my problem |
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| 07:30.18 | Hail_Spacecake | I'm trying to install xorg on my machine |
| 07:30.21 | psu3 | hi #debian |
| 07:30.25 | Hail_Spacecake | this is the error output: http://pastebin.com/m122bdef3 |
| 07:30.31 | cizra | marian: That's pretty easy, actually |
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| 07:30.39 | marian | ? |
| 07:30.44 | Zenox | Wyzard: i checked last time i rebuilt it and dmesg didn't reveil a thing and the raid was clean when checking /proc/mdstat and mdadm --examine hmm |
| 07:30.46 | Hail_Spacecake | when I run startx as root the screen will blink and I'll see the x screen for a second or so |
| 07:30.52 | Hail_Spacecake | before it goes back to console |
| 07:30.56 | Hail_Spacecake | as non-root I don't even get that far |
| 07:31.10 | marian | how cizra |
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| 07:31.15 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: Did you change your machine's hostname sometime between installation and now? |
| 07:31.24 | psu3 | i'm using dhcpd and would like to have dhcp serving ip on eth0 but not eth1 can someone give me a link how to do this ? thanks |
| 07:31.30 | Hail_Spacecake | ah, I did |
| 07:31.34 | Hail_Spacecake | how did you know that? |
| 07:31.43 | cizra | marian: You could use the Shorewall package with its default configuration, or just set up a simple script to run a few commands that set up the firewall/router. |
| 07:31.49 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: becuase you apparently didn't change it completely... there are several places that need to be updated |
| 07:31.50 | cizra | marian: You're very new to Linux, right? |
| 07:31.56 | marian | yes |
| 07:31.57 | Hail_Spacecake | wait, installation of xorg or installation of the system itself? |
| 07:32.00 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: Open your /etc/hosts and replace the old name with the new one :-) |
| 07:32.07 | marian | 1 mounth |
| 07:32.08 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: of the system |
| 07:32.10 | marian | :;( |
| 07:32.19 | JyZyXEL | does anyone here have ~/.drirc |
| 07:32.22 | JyZyXEL | i need one |
| 07:32.35 | cizra | JyZyXEL: I don't have |
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| 07:34.27 | Hail_Spacecake | Wyzard, did that, didn't help |
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| 07:35.14 | Wyzard | Hail_Spacecake: That should've resolved the "host name lookup failure" at the beginning of your xorg output, if nothing else |
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| 07:35.50 | Hail_Spacecake | ah, yeah, it did that much |
| 07:36.21 | Wyzard | Do you still get the "bad display name" messages? |
| 07:36.32 | Wyzard | and if so, is "ichigo" the old or the new name? |
| 07:36.40 | Hail_Spacecake | the new |
| 07:37.06 | Wyzard | I'd tend to think the "bad display name" message is caused by the hostname lookup failure, then, so I'd expect those to have gone away too |
| 07:37.27 | Hail_Spacecake | yeah, those are gone too |
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| 07:37.34 | Wyzard | What messages remain? |
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| 07:39.21 | Hail_Spacecake | http://pastebin.com/m32a17ee4 |
| 07:39.54 | dpkgregor | hello |
| 07:40.04 | Wyzard | That still has the "host name lookup failure" message in it |
| 07:40.05 | dpkgregor | i use ndisrapper with a wifi drver on a macbook |
| 07:40.08 | Wyzard | Are you sure that's the new output? |
| 07:40.13 | Hail_Spacecake | er, wait, hang on |
| 07:40.13 | Hail_Spacecake | it's not |
| 07:40.17 | dpkgregor | but an error I get upon boot halts the loading of the network interface |
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| 07:40.34 | dpkgregor | ath0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 07:41.13 | cizra | How to get debhelper 6 into Etch? I want to build stuff that depends on it. |
| 07:41.22 | Hail_Spacecake | http://pastebin.com/m22106ed |
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| 07:41.26 | Hail_Spacecake | there we go |
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| 07:42.06 | Wyzard | OK, the change to /etc/hosts fixed the first problem, and it got farther and then ran into a completely different one :-) |
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| 07:43.41 | Wyzard | Are you using a framebuffer console? |
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| 07:45.59 | Wyzard | Actually, I should go to sleep... it's nearly 4am here :-/ |
| 07:46.13 | Wyzard | Someone else should be able to help troubleshoot your problem with the nv driver though |
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| 07:49.43 | vaq | I got a command i can't kill with "kill -9" any ideas? |
| 07:49.51 | cizra | yes, reboot |
| 07:50.12 | cizra | Or kill the parent process. |
| 07:50.16 | Dewi | or ignore it |
| 07:50.25 | cizra | Yes, it's probably hung anyway. |
| 07:50.34 | cast|lir | it's a bitch when that happens |
| 07:50.39 | JyZyXEL | what package gives the "play" command? |
| 07:50.49 | cizra | alsa-utils gives the aplay command |
| 07:50.53 | JyZyXEL | ok |
| 07:51.22 | cizra | sox: usr/bin/play |
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| 07:54.24 | dpkgregor | Hello! Can someone help me with this - http://pastebin.com/m20b1bb94 |
| 07:54.30 | dpkgregor | It's a wifi problem |
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| 07:56.37 | rking | ok, so i've used sid for a very long time, but i have to admit i've been lazy about understanding why some packages up and decide to put themselves in 'hold' status. what's going on? (and, what one command can i execute to say, "No, unhold all of those, and just install them") |
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| 07:57.21 | rking | in the past i have redirected the output of aptitude (where it says what is held) and edited out all the lame little {a}'s, and then put "aptitude install" in front of the big list |
| 07:57.27 | rking | but this is a mess, so i know i'm missing something |
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| 08:05.30 | groton | how come that after purge discover1 package (on linux of course) my keyboard behave strangely? eg. a key must be pressed for 2 seconds, and then it appears twice, and if i hold it down for a longer time i get it repeated very slowly? |
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| 08:06.43 | rking | ahh, answer to my question: dist-upgrade |
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| 08:07.02 | rking | groton: whoa. weird. weird weird weird. |
| 08:07.17 | rking | groton: is it whenever you purge any package, or just a particular one>? |
| 08:07.32 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.48 | groton | rking, the "discover1" package only, but it is only a suspect |
| 08:07.50 | Dewi | groton: is this in a VM ? |
| 08:08.17 | groton | Dewi: no, it is a real x86 machine |
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| 08:08.36 | cast|lir | hey guys, i'm trying to get ssh port forwarding working so i can get to clients behind my server/gateway |
| 08:08.41 | Dewi | groton: oh. vmware server occasionally does odd dropped/repeated keys for me |
| 08:08.56 | groton | Dewi: ok, but no VM here at all :) |
| 08:09.07 | cast|lir | no worky though, client and server interfaces(5) files and the iptables rules [2 of em] i'm using are here http://rafb.net/p/wYyG4D68.html |
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| 08:09.28 | Zenox | Wyzard: i think (hope) i found the problem... the partition sde1 was type 83, not FD (linux raid autodetect)! |
| 08:09.33 | cast|lir | i can ssh to the server and then ssh to the client, so client ssh is working |
| 08:09.39 | Dewi | groton: why purging discover1 anyway? |
| 08:09.55 | groton | Dewi: because i was getting rid of deprecated packages. |
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| 08:10.28 | Zenox | Wyzard: changed it to fd now and re-adding the drive to the raid... will restart in approx 3 hours to verify |
| 08:10.36 | Dewi | cast|lir: you only need 1 server and 1 client, and your firewall shouldn't really be involved unless it's really broken |
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| 08:10.56 | cast|lir | Dewi: what? |
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| 08:11.45 | Dewi | cast|lir: port forwarding is a feature of ssh |
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| 08:12.09 | cast|lir | Dewi: it's also a generic term...did you look at my past :| |
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| 08:12.11 | Dewi | cast|lir: if you can ssh, your network and firewall config are fine |
| 08:12.41 | cast|lir | i want to ssh directly into clients from the big bad web. |
| 08:13.02 | Juventino | guys, i got a problem with aptitude, everytime i'm trying to install a package, it returns: subprocess tar killed by signal (Illegal instruction) |
| 08:13.12 | Dewi | you can only 'ssh into' ssh daemons |
| 08:13.43 | cast|lir | bbiab, any help appreciated |
| 08:14.25 | Dewi | Juventino: is 'aptitude update' operating normally? |
| 08:14.44 | Juventino | Dewi: yes |
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| 08:15.52 | Dewi | Juventino: do you have packages from mixed releases of debian on your system? |
| 08:15.53 | hsuj | Unix Programmer's Manual, First Edition (1971) Page scan or Postscript (via OCR) of life before pipes or grep were invented. |
| 08:16.24 | hsuj | by D. Richie |
| 08:16.35 | hsuj | can u imagine using that system? |
| 08:16.38 | Juventino | Dewi: hmm hard to tell, cause i'm configuring a friend's server, so i'm connected to it on ssh, but he just got that server, so i don't think it's mixed |
| 08:17.30 | Dewi | Juventino: 'illegal instruction' on trivial programs is quite a severe and unusual failure |
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| 08:17.57 | Juventino | Dewi: any idea what may cause that? :/ |
| 08:18.03 | Dewi | Juventino: at least, googling for it turns up references to broken kernels and mismatched libc versions |
| 08:18.25 | Dewi | Juventino: which is why my random shot in the dark would be to think of an ABI mismatch, but I really have no idea |
| 08:18.56 | Juventino | Dewi: i tried dpkg-reconfigure -a, but still the problem remained.. |
| 08:19.01 | Dewi | Juventino: if it's a fresh install of a stable debian, I'd check if the hardware (RAM) is okay |
| 08:19.06 | maligor | Dewi, wrong target too would cause that |
| 08:19.24 | Dewi | maligor: wrong target? |
| 08:19.34 | maligor | gcc machine targets |
| 08:19.54 | Dewi | maligor: oh like a 386 tar running on a 64 bit system or something? |
| 08:20.09 | maligor | more of a issue with embeddeds I guess |
| 08:20.29 | maligor | but x86 has a huge amount of extensions in the spec |
| 08:20.35 | Juventino | Dewi: hmm i don't have physical access :/ |
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| 08:21.10 | maligor | 386 wouldn't cause illegal instructions on amd64 |
| 08:21.23 | maligor | since it's a subset |
| 08:21.41 | maligor | I'd say corruption is more likely |
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| 08:22.03 | Juventino | any idea how can i copy something from the shell? |
| 08:22.04 | maligor | Juventino, run memtest86 on it |
| 08:22.26 | maligor | or are you behind a terminal link only? |
| 08:22.45 | Juventino | maligor: i'm in egypt, the server is in the US lol |
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| 08:22.57 | cizra | Juventino: scp |
| 08:22.57 | maligor | you need longer hands then |
| 08:23.01 | Bladesman | Anyone have an 'ls -ld /tmp'? For some reason, rss2email really munged up my ability to write to /tmp. It's saying I can't write to a file that isn't there. |
| 08:23.05 | cizra | Juventino: or sftp |
| 08:23.06 | jaggz- | why's my debian system sorting with i before ' ' (space)? |
| 08:23.16 | cizra | jaggz-: weird locale? |
| 08:23.20 | Juventino | cizra: thnx, |
| 08:23.33 | Juventino | any idea how i can copy a line from the shell? |
| 08:23.39 | Juventino | i never tried that before :/ |
| 08:23.40 | cizra | with mouse |
| 08:23.41 | jaggz- | enlish utf8.. hmm |
| 08:23.51 | cizra | jaggz-: improbable. How do you sort it? |
| 08:23.52 | Juventino | cizra: i don't have mouse active |
| 08:24.06 | jaggz- | | sort |
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| 08:24.26 | JyZyXEL | how did you put user in a group? |
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| 08:24.39 | cizra | JyZyXEL: gpasswd -a user group |
| 08:24.39 | Juventino | how can i activate the mouse in the shell? lol |
| 08:24.40 | macoute_ | adduser user group |
| 08:24.42 | jaggz- | no options at all.. same effect with -i (ignore chars outside of octal 040-whatever..) although space is within that range anyway I presume |
| 08:24.52 | cizra | Juventino: or screen |
| 08:24.55 | jaggz- | juventino, look into.. hmm.. gpm I think? |
| 08:24.59 | cizra | Juventino: This can also be used. |
| 08:25.10 | cizra | Juventino: Also, you might want to consider getting X, it's actually pretty nifty (= |
| 08:25.21 | Bladesman | The script command will copy screen output to a file. |
| 08:25.29 | Dewi | cizra: pfft, if you have a mouse you don't really need X |
| 08:25.30 | cizra | jaggz-: Are you sure it won't skip the space and sort by the next character instead? |
| 08:25.34 | jaggz- | you can put your shell into vi-mode and then use the y (yank) command.. I never used it but just tested and it works |
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| 08:26.00 | Juventino | cizra: i don't think my connection can handle it.. lol |
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| 08:26.24 | Guerin_ | or you can use the default emacs mode in all sane shells, as the gods intended |
| 08:26.26 | Bladesman | Unless you install gpm, there's not much that can be done for cut&paste. |
| 08:26.32 | Guerin_ | bollocks |
| 08:26.38 | cizra | Juventino: Nono |
| 08:26.38 | Guerin_ | screen does awesome cutnpaste |
| 08:26.50 | Guerin_ | (GPM is righteous too) |
| 08:26.53 | Juventino | well i get that error also: dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 |
| 08:27.03 | cizra | Juventino: What do you exactly want? Copy-paste stuff between the machine you've SSHd into and other programs running in _your_ machine? |
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| 08:27.34 | jaggz- | from sort(1) .. but it doesn't change anything when I set what they say: *** WARNING *** The locale specified by the environment affects sort order. Set LC_ALL=C to get the traditional sort order that uses native byte values. |
| 08:27.36 | cizra | How to get debhelper 6 into Etch? I want to build stuff that depends on it. |
| 08:28.03 | Juventino | cizra: yes, i wanted to copy the error and paste it here |
| 08:28.28 | cizra | jaggz-: printf " foo\nbar\n" | sort -- really really weird |
| 08:28.52 | cizra | jaggz-: wait, no |
| 08:28.54 | jaggz- | that's ok |
| 08:28.55 | Bladesman | are the file permissions on /tmp supposed to be 755/root:users? |
| 08:28.57 | jaggz- | 32 |
| 08:28.59 | JyZyXEL | !root-tail |
| 08:28.59 | dpkg | from memory, root-tail is a program that basicly tails a file(s) of choice and prints them directly to the screen (usefull for logs etc) http://www.goof.com/pcg/marc/root-tail.html |
| 08:29.10 | cizra | jaggz-: printf "foo\n bar\n" | sort |
| 08:29.20 | cizra | jaggz-: It seems it just skips the space and sorts by b/f. |
| 08:29.32 | JyZyXEL | who here has a root-tail script? |
| 08:29.38 | JyZyXEL | i can't find a single one from google |
| 08:29.42 | jaggz- | printf "bar\nb r\n" | sort ... this is okay too.. space should go before normal chars.. at ascii 32 |
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| 08:30.11 | Bladesman | tail is a standard unix command. |
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| 08:30.43 | cizra | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed! |
| 08:30.45 | cizra | hmm... |
| 08:30.53 | jaggz- | but: head forum_defaults.conf | sort shows.. wait.. that's working too.. argh.. hold on |
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| 08:31.51 | Bladesman | Could someone do an 'ls -ld /tmp' for me and tell me what you got? |
| 08:32.01 | jaggz- | oh.. it's working after LC_ALL=C was set.. so that's it. |
| 08:32.43 | jaggz- | utf-8 space really shouldn't be a later value than a normal char though.. what's up with that? |
| 08:32.56 | jaggz- | in fact, it's still 32 .. I wonder what it does |
| 08:33.25 | jaggz- | cizra, easy to mess up formatting of crontab |
| 08:33.28 | cizra | drwxrwxrwt 10 root root 4096 2008-06-26 11:30 /tmp |
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| 08:33.45 | JyZyXEL | Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion (ISO8859-1) |
| 08:33.45 | JyZyXEL | unable to create fontset for font '-rolibue-matto-bold-r-normal--14-14-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1', exiting. |
| 08:33.50 | JyZyXEL | what do i need to apt-get? |
| 08:34.30 | cizra | jaggz-: No crontabs, no formatting (at least not done by me) |
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| 08:34.51 | cizra | Nothing in syslog |
| 08:35.17 | Bladesman | cizra: Thanks. Mine's drwxr-xr-x root:users for some odd reason. |
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| 08:36.22 | cizra | Bladesman: There should be no difference. |
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| 08:36.29 | cizra | jaggz-: Heh. It was running, that's why it didn't launch. |
| 08:36.32 | jaggz- | heh |
| 08:36.41 | jaggz- | good for you.. and glad you found it quickly :) |
| 08:36.49 | jaggz- | unlike me.. I'm so slow at things sometimes |
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| 08:37.08 | cizra | Who isn't. |
| 08:37.13 | gustaf1 | does anyone know if debian-multimedia.org has an IRC channel? |
| 08:37.39 | cizra | Just to double-check, when does this cronjob run? 0 */20 * * * |
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| 08:38.14 | jaggz- | 0 minute every 20 hours? |
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| 08:39.31 | cizra | bleh. I wanted every 5 minutes. S'pose that's */5 * then. |
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| 08:42.29 | Bladesman | cizra: Thanks, man. That fixed it. |
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| 08:42.49 | marian | cizra |
| 08:42.55 | cizra | hey |
| 08:43.02 | cizra | Bladesman: (= |
| 08:43.10 | Bladesman | Yo? |
| 08:43.31 | cizra | Not you, marian |
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| 08:43.54 | Bladesman | Ah. Blind. Can't hear the (= bits. <grins> |
| 08:44.02 | Bladesman | jamz... |
| 08:44.14 | Bladesman | Take care all... |
| 08:44.18 | cizra | Really? Interesting. |
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| 08:49.29 | cizra | marian: wake up |
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| 08:54.41 | SparFux | And my debian runs stable again. Xorg was the reason, I am to blame. Turned on an unstable feature! LOL User's fault. |
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| 08:55.17 | Guerin_ | shock! |
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| 08:57.03 | ronr | how can I check the status of a raid array? |
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| 08:58.09 | mquin | ronr: if it's software (md) raid, "cat /proc/mdstat" |
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| 08:58.49 | mquin | if it's hardware it'll depend on the the hardware - some have linux tools (e.g. HP's ACU), some don't |
| 08:59.50 | ronr | mquin: it's an Adaptec RAID card |
| 09:01.22 | mquin | http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&releaseid=R85529&formatcnt=1&fileid=112003 might be what you're after |
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| 09:02.54 | ronr | mquin: thx |
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| 09:16.05 | Danielss89 | hi, when i do crontab -e which file is that i edit? |
| 09:16.17 | Danielss89 | i mean: Where is it placed? |
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| 09:16.42 | cizra | You could strace it... |
| 09:16.53 | Danielss89 | ? |
| 09:16.55 | cizra | I think it's something in /tmp/, not sure. |
| 09:17.04 | SparFux | What is the difference between linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.25-2-vserver-amd64 packages? |
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| 09:17.21 | cizra | strace -o log crontab -e write crontab -e |
| 09:17.40 | cizra | strace -o log -e write crontab -e, that is |
| 09:18.23 | Danielss89 | where do i get the result? :P |
| 09:18.30 | cizra | strace -o log -e file crontab -e |
| 09:18.30 | cizra | open("/tmp/crontab.Tf1dFW", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 4 |
| 09:18.34 | cizra | in the file named "log" |
| 09:18.46 | cizra | As you see, this time it decided to use the file /tmp/crontab.Tf1dFW |
| 09:18.48 | foutrelis | cizra, the file is then copied to another location though |
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| 09:19.08 | cizra | foutrelis: Mighty probable (= |
| 09:19.18 | foutrelis | :3 |
| 09:19.34 | Danielss89 | hmm cizra its just, i have 6 lines which i would like to copy and paste and just change the path, but i cant i the editor the crontab -e uses |
| 09:19.47 | cizra | Danielss89: You can change the editor. |
| 09:19.54 | cizra | EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim crontab -e |
| 09:20.04 | cizra | Suggest putting it into your .bashrc or something. |
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| 09:21.01 | cizra | Also, I've asked like 5 times already and got no answer. So, asking again: |
| 09:21.01 | cizra | How to get debhelper 6 into Etch? I want to build stuff that depends on it. |
| 09:21.32 | tenzind | hi.. I am trying to apt-get install tovid from tovid.sourceforge.net but I get this "tovid: Depends: transcode which is a virtual package". What does that mean? |
| 09:21.51 | tenzind | I am on lenny |
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| 09:22.06 | foutrelis | Danielss89, found where crontabs are saved.. /var/spool/cron/crontabs :) |
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| 09:23.17 | Danielss89 | thx foutrelis |
| 09:23.22 | foutrelis | np .-. |
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| 09:25.49 | SparFux | With the kernel packages, what is the -vserver- stuff? |
| 09:26.15 | NoxIn | SparFux it's a kernel used for doing virtualisation using vserver |
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| 09:26.37 | NoxIn | SparFux: http://linux-vserver.org/ |
| 09:26.52 | SparFux | Ah, thx. I think I don't need that:-) |
| 09:27.01 | SparFux | So, I will deinstall the package. |
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| 09:30.56 | themill | cizra: that's not easy as man-db and debhelper have circular build-depends that are not satisfiable under etch. You might need to get an intermediate package for one of them off snapshots to be able to be able to make any progress |
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| 09:32.14 | cizra | themill: )= OK |
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| 09:35.12 | tenzind | !transcode |
| 09:35.13 | dpkg | i guess transcode is a linux text-console utility for video stream processing. http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/, or xk gives it a stamp of approval |
| 09:37.04 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:37.21 | jelly | Deepa: and what do you see in the logs on the nfs server? |
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| 09:39.09 | deufrai | Hi there! anyone ever tried to dump an LVM volume from machine A into an fresh LVM volume of machine B using sshfs ? |
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| 09:39.41 | steven__ | hi |
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| 09:40.07 | jelly | Danielss89: don't edit crontab files in place manually. Instead, change the EDITOR env. variable and use a noninteractive editor (your own script, for example) |
| 09:40.12 | steven__ | how safe is it to use mount -o remount while i filesystem is been written to ?? |
| 09:40.19 | steven__ | ie mysql is using it ? |
| 09:40.32 | jelly | steven__: which options are you planning to change? |
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| 09:40.50 | SparFux | That's great, everything works here so far. :-) |
| 09:41.02 | steven__ | add the noatime option and remove acl,and xattr options |
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| 09:41.33 | jelly | steven__: it's supposed to be safe |
| 09:41.44 | steven__ | jelly: lol i don't like the sound of that |
| 09:41.56 | jaggz- | ahh.. to tail -f an entire file: tail -f -n +0 |
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| 09:42.11 | jelly | steven__: I add and remove noatime on production machines, nothing ever happened |
| 09:42.13 | steven__ | jelly: do you know if it actuallu unmounts the parition to remount it or it it just changes the current options used ? |
| 09:42.24 | jelly | steven__: it doesn't umount anything. |
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| 09:42.32 | steven__ | it's quite a heavily used mysql install |
| 09:42.51 | steven__ | cool so no writes should fail.... |
| 09:42.56 | jaggz- | !google safety of "mount -o remount" |
| 09:42.56 | tajkor | Results for safety of "mount -o remount" on Google: |
| 09:42.56 | tajkor | -- |
| 09:43.00 | pkcahier | -!- http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=28329&sid=5fbc2c26716eb37f9258df3954eb0f36 |
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| 09:43.20 | jelly | steven__: my postfixes didn't notice anything |
| 09:43.29 | ruben | Hello, what is the way to see the number of full/non full routing tables? |
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| 09:45.15 | sts | ruben: what do you mean by full/non full routing tables? |
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| 09:45.31 | sts | ruben: does netstat -r help? |
| 09:45.34 | ruben | tuxick: well, to see how many packetes/tables puts the kernel in the stack |
| 09:45.38 | ruben | stst sorry |
| 09:45.45 | ruben | sts! |
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| 09:47.29 | sts | ruben: well, netstat -r shows the routes configured for your machine. |
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| 09:47.45 | torr | is there a way to make schedualling fair between users/services? |
| 09:48.45 | themolest | is there a equivilant (console) application that displays physical information about the system similar to cpu-z on windows (memory slots avail/used, cpu, etc) |
| 09:48.47 | foutrelis | torr, that's what the scheduler does ;p |
| 09:48.52 | OpenTokix | torr: Stop talking like a process communist |
| 09:49.10 | NoxIn | themolest: top |
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| 09:49.22 | OpenTokix | themolest: top, cat /proc/cpuinfo, cat /proc/meminfo, lspci, lsmod |
| 09:49.42 | themolest | NoxIn i don't belive you understand the question |
| 09:49.52 | themolest | OpenTokix i know of those, but they're all separate |
| 09:49.58 | torr | well, people complain that their mail is slow to processess, and then I see crossover pluginserver taking 50% cpu on lots of users |
| 09:50.07 | OpenTokix | themolest: ok, and that matters because? |
| 09:50.09 | themolest | also, meminfo does not (i don't think) show how many memory slots are available |
| 09:50.23 | OpenTokix | torr: sounds like crossover has a problem |
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| 09:50.42 | OpenTokix | themolest: Well, you can always check in the actual box with your /dev/eyes |
| 09:50.45 | sts | ruben: the overrall interface statistics, are also shown by ifconfig: RX bytes:2054496467 (1.9 GiB) TX bytes:3449002273 (3.2 GiB) |
| 09:51.00 | themolest | OpenTokix its shoved between a desk and a bookcase |
| 09:51.00 | torr | sure, but if I could make each user use up to CPUTOTAL/NUBMEROFUSERS |
| 09:51.15 | torr | then there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place |
| 09:51.41 | masus | hi all whats the easiest way to install the latest gnome version on debian etch ? Thanks |
| 09:51.43 | themolest | I don't like restarting/powering down to check bios, and i'm sure SOME program can tell me (the information is obviously accessable, since cpu-z does it on windows) |
| 09:51.56 | NoxIn | ho ok sorry |
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| 09:52.38 | torr | it is very fast getting to 100% |
| 09:52.53 | torr | after I killed the pluginserver.exe processes |
| 09:52.53 | jelly | themolest: dmidecode, lshw. /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
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| 09:53.53 | themolest | thank you, lshw does exactly what i want jelly |
| 09:54.04 | torr | is nice 19 higher or lower priority than nice -19? |
| 09:54.53 | torr | 19 should be lowest |
| 09:54.55 | torr | :S |
| 09:55.15 | jelly | torr: why the long face? |
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| 09:55.36 | torr | jelly: my server is at 100% CPU, and user complain |
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| 09:56.03 | foutrelis | torr, admins, get one .-. |
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| 09:56.19 | torr | foutrelis: I am it |
| 09:56.43 | erpo | I want to execute a script every time an ip address changes on a particular interface. How can I do this? DBUS? Some kernel api? |
| 09:56.56 | foutrelis | torr, see what the issue is then? .-. |
| 09:56.59 | jelly | torr: so find out which process(es) eat the cpu and fix them? |
| 09:57.07 | foutrelis | torr, some run-away script maybe? |
| 09:57.28 | torr | it is crossover pluginserver process |
| 09:57.38 | torr | but I can't fix it |
| 09:57.44 | jelly | torr: contact your support. |
| 09:57.55 | torr | jelly: I will |
| 09:58.01 | jelly | crossover is not in Debian, and will probably never be |
| 09:58.19 | torr | but I thought that maybe I can limit that process somehow to not take more than 2% |
| 09:58.24 | torr | is it possible? |
| 09:58.25 | steven__ | erpo not possible to call the script from what ever is changing the ip address ? |
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| 09:58.50 | foutrelis | torr, kill it with fire .-. |
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| 09:59.19 | torr | foutrelis: I am not a fire fan |
| 09:59.19 | foutrelis | if it's taking up 100% of your CPU then it has problems -.- |
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| 09:59.32 | erpo | steven__: I'd rather stay away from that if possible. There are so many ways an IP address could change, and I don't want to miss any of them. I suppose I could suppress my gag reflex and *glurk* poll the interface. But there must be a neater way. |
| 09:59.38 | anddam | hello |
| 09:59.39 | foutrelis | torr, kill -9 <process id> will do just fine then |
| 09:59.42 | jelly | torr: with the default etch kernel, I don't think so. There were scheduler improvements in the meantime |
| 09:59.49 | torr | foutrelis: each pluginserver take only 30% |
| 10:00.02 | jelly | torr: can you restart all of those? |
| 10:00.07 | torr | foutrelis: I did kill them but they came back |
| 10:00.22 | foutrelis | torr, maybe you should consider getting more servers |
| 10:00.28 | foutrelis | if one can't handle the load -.- |
| 10:00.31 | steven__ | erpo: how is the interface changed ?? |
| 10:00.49 | jelly | torr: sounds like you don't want to run that crap on the same machine as other important services |
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| 10:01.11 | anddam | what's the difference between linux-image- and kernel-image- ? |
| 10:01.32 | torr | humm |
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| 10:01.49 | torr | I'll contact crossover and open a ticket |
| 10:01.50 | erpo | steven__: Maybe the dhcp lease runs out. Maybe the user plugs into a different wireless network and the program managing the connection has a special static IP for that SSID. Maybe the teredo server goes down and miredo has to find another one... |
| 10:02.22 | steven__ | hmm wrapper script for ip or ifconfig ? |
| 10:02.25 | torr | so which version of debian has an option to limit a process to 2% cpu? |
| 10:02.44 | foutrelis | torr, things aren't that simple .-. |
| 10:02.57 | erpo | brb. My cat is walking around the rim of my 100 gallon fishtank. This is going to be good. |
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| 10:03.12 | Djfeelgood | lol |
| 10:03.33 | foutrelis | torr, the scheduler (which is part of the kernel) decides how much cpu time each process gets |
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| 10:04.25 | jelly | anddam: the name was changed, nothing much more. |
| 10:04.26 | torr | foutrelis: i know |
| 10:04.35 | erpo | Shoot. No dice. |
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| 10:04.46 | torr | foutrelis: I have even made a few schedualers once 10 years ago |
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| 10:05.17 | anddam | jelly: fine |
| 10:05.30 | erpo | steven__: Anyway, will that catch everything? Does every tool (including dhclient) end up using ip or ifconfig to change an interface's IP address rather than using the underlying APIs? |
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| 10:05.57 | foutrelis | torr, even if you could "limit" a process to 2% cpu, do you believe it would run fine? :3 |
| 10:05.58 | steven__ | erpo: i would guess should be easy enough to test |
| 10:06.12 | jelly | torr: I think you should find nice values be more effective with a 2.6.24 kernel from etch-and-a-half. Note that the processes niced to +19 will take all the available cpu time if nothing else wants it |
| 10:06.27 | jelly | !tell torr -about etchnhalf |
| 10:06.42 | steven__ | dbus would work well but iv'e never used it and don't know exactly what events you can subscribbe to |
| 10:07.42 | foutrelis | torr, if I were you I'd try to find out why it uses so much cpu (could be a bug) or throw more hardware at it -.- |
| 10:08.08 | naiv | is a file inode unique ? |
| 10:09.31 | erpo | naiv: There aren't two or more files on the same filesystem that share the same inode. Is that what you're asking? |
| 10:09.53 | naiv | yep |
| 10:10.12 | erpo | naiv: Of course, you can make hard links. Then two "files" share the same inode, but they're really the same file. |
| 10:10.14 | Guerin_ | awright kids, here's a curly one for you |
| 10:10.54 | naiv | then i can use the inode as a unique and temporary identifier for a file |
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| 10:11.25 | naiv | it is better and faster than md5, assuming we have only one disk |
| 10:11.28 | Guerin_ | i have a cable from my sound card to my stereo. It makes a faint ringing noise - as if it's picking up some interference or somesuch - but only while X is running |
| 10:11.40 | Guerin_ | no X = no noise |
| 10:11.57 | erpo | naiv: Depends on how temporary. If you find a file's inode, that file may be deleted and the inode reused. |
| 10:12.18 | erpo | naiv: Describe your application and maybe someone can suggest a solid method for doing what you want to do. |
| 10:12.39 | themill | Guerin_: I've heard interesting sounds from machines based on the colours displayed on the monitor -- light backgrounds made noise |
| 10:12.39 | foutrelis | Guerin_, what happens if you have X running but the screen is turned off? .-. |
| 10:12.54 | themill | Guerin_: running X and then chvt 1? |
| 10:13.17 | Guerin_ | foutrelis: sound persists |
| 10:13.30 | erpo | themill: Great suggestion! |
| 10:13.33 | cizra | themill: Can't I backport debhelper-6 to depend on Etch packages somehow? |
| 10:13.47 | naiv | i have a website, where people can upload and delete files, so i need an id to use with forms so that i know which files the user is speaking about |
| 10:13.56 | Guerin_ | themill: hm, changing to a virtual terminal kills it |
| 10:14.05 | Guerin_ | (the noise) |
| 10:14.28 | Guerin_ | but turning the CRT off doesnt. Hypothesis: it's the video card, not the monitor |
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| 10:15.14 | naiv | as i don't use any database, and i'm scared that file names may cause problems with some custom symbols, i thought about using the inode of files as an id |
| 10:15.36 | lea_w | Apparently Gnus (the mail/news-reader) is provided by both emacs2[12]-common and gnus. Which one should I be using, and if I install the gnus package, will Emacs pick it up at all or still use its own Gnus? |
| 10:15.54 | erpo | Guerin_: Do you have line-in muted in your mixer? Sometimes sound cards will pick up case noises from that. |
| 10:16.04 | Guerin_ | lea_w: if you use emacs, install the former. If not, the latter. And yes. |
| 10:16.07 | themill | Guerin_: sounds plausible... and scary. Changing colours in X changing things? |
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| 10:16.31 | lea_w | Guerin_: You mean Emacs as opposed to XEmacs? |
| 10:17.08 | lea_w | Guerin_: (Or, how could I not be using Emacs with Gnus?) |
| 10:17.39 | Guerin_ | lea_w: yes, as opposed to xemacs. |
| 10:17.52 | lea_w | Guerin_: Thanks a lot! |
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| 10:18.36 | naiv | Q: i'd want to test if a file is an image, is there an implementation of 'file' or something better ? |
| 10:18.59 | petemc | whats wrong with file? |
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| 10:19.21 | naiv | it's a system command |
| 10:19.23 | mooper | hi, how do I read the mbr of a disk to make sure it is bootable |
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| 10:19.35 | mooper | I have been trying to make a usb key but it wont work! |
| 10:19.39 | naiv | mooper, dd ? |
| 10:20.10 | naiv | mooper, and can your bios boot on a usbkey ? |
| 10:20.19 | mooper | yes |
| 10:20.30 | petemc | head -c512 /dev/hda | strings | grep -Ei '(grub|lilo)' |
| 10:20.51 | erpo | naiv: What's wrong with using a system command? |
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| 10:22.26 | naiv | erpo, i don't know, maybe time ? |
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| 10:23.53 | erpo | naiv: Yes, file can take a long time to make a decision. You might consider looking at the source of file. Or writing your own version. What kinds of images do you need to identify? All kinds, or just the big ones (gif, jpeg, png)? |
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| 10:24.22 | naiv | all kinds, tiff and etc |
| 10:24.25 | themill | naiv: many languages will let you do that without going via system; C uses libmagic etc. There will be perl and python interfaces too. |
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| 10:25.01 | Juventino | guys, how can i fix a broken tar package? |
| 10:25.03 | Sala | hello |
| 10:25.14 | naiv | themill, really ? but do you know which command ? i found nothing in File::* |
| 10:25.14 | hsuj | encrypt ur HDD fellows |
| 10:25.19 | erpo | Juventino: What's wrong with it? |
| 10:25.23 | torr | is it possible to nice automatically? by process name/path? |
| 10:25.25 | erpo | Juventino: Re-download it? |
| 10:25.42 | Sala | need help whit charge balance |
| 10:25.45 | themill | naiv: In perl, you could use perlmagick libraries to identify things |
| 10:25.46 | Juventino | erpo can't, everytime i run tar it says "Illegal instructions" |
| 10:25.48 | Sala | in debian any help me? |
| 10:26.14 | Juventino | erpo and it gives the same error in aptitude and apt-get |
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| 10:26.38 | erpo | Juventino: Perhaps not a problem with the archive then. Go ahead and put the whole error message in pastebin. |
| 10:26.53 | DawnLight | !tell Sala about ask |
| 10:26.56 | themill | naiv: also look at libfile-mmagic-perl |
| 10:27.09 | Juventino | erpo it's not about the archive, the package of "tar" itself is broken :o( |
| 10:27.45 | naiv | themill, thank you, this is it ! |
| 10:28.14 | themill | naiv: but if you already know it's an image, then perlmagick might be better |
| 10:28.26 | cizra | Sala: what's that? |
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| 10:29.40 | Juventino | hmm any idea guys? |
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| 10:31.47 | themill | Juventino: can you boot of a livecd and reinstall the tar package? (but I suspect the problem is deeper than just /bin/tar) |
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| 10:32.15 | Juventino | themill here's another problem, this is a remote server, i don't have physical access to it |
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| 10:33.57 | riz_ | Could plese someone help me to make a .deb package using dh_make? The problem is the package have not configure and make into (I would like to make a .deb of drupal) |
| 10:35.00 | Juventino | can u guys check : http://www.pastebin.ca/1056316 ? |
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| 10:35.26 | riz_ | I have made it, but into .deb there isn't some files. (it's not complete becuase some files are missing, but in tar.gz there are) |
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| 10:37.09 | mooper | http://rafb.net/p/Tn5rHI15.html |
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| 10:37.16 | mooper | does this look like a proper mbr? |
| 10:37.27 | mooper | I dont think it does, but then again I am a dunce :) |
| 10:38.17 | themill | riz_: dh_make is only a tool to start with debianising a package. To do it properly, or if things don't use ./configure; make; make install in a sensible way, you're going to need to hack at the debian/rules file a bit to get it to work. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 10:38.59 | Juventino | themill is there a possible way to fix that? |
| 10:39.00 | DawnLight | mooper: what causes you to even look at a boot record like this? |
| 10:40.02 | themill | Juventino: I suspect your problems are much deeper than tar. Does debsums work for you to test that packages are intact? /msg dpkg debsums |
| 10:40.03 | basix | is there a voice chat client that can connect to gtalk servers or yahoo messenger? Gtalk isn't supported on Linux and neither is yahoo voice. |
| 10:40.16 | mooper | DawnLight: how else |
| 10:40.38 | DawnLight | mooper: cfdisk, perhaps? |
| 10:41.04 | Juventino | themill debsums is not installed, needless to say i can't install it :( |
| 10:41.12 | DawnLight | mooper: gpart package, i believe |
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| 10:42.38 | themill | Juventino: etch? |
| 10:42.45 | Juventino | themill yes |
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| 10:43.07 | themill | Perhaps check this: md5sum /bin/tar => 2042d36cdc589e23ffd326ab0d569886 /bin/tar |
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| 10:43.41 | mooper | DawnLight: cfdisk shows sdg1 as bootable |
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| 10:45.33 | Juventino | themill : md5sum =: No such file or directory |
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| 10:46.17 | themill | Juventino: Gah. can you copy /bin/tar elsewhere to check it. Or you could try extracting /bin/tar on another machine and copying it over, I guess. I don't hold out much hope for this though. |
| 10:48.16 | Juventino | themill i copied it to /test/ , still the same error, md5sum: =: No such file or directory |
| 10:48.44 | themill | Juventino: erm... obviously you'd need to copy it to another *machine* where md5sum is installed.... |
| 10:48.57 | Juventino | hmm |
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| 10:49.14 | Juventino | okie |
| 10:49.15 | Juventino | 1 sec |
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| 10:54.10 | vadmeste | Hi |
| 10:54.19 | vadmeste | In my laptop running on Debian Etch |
| 10:54.28 | vadmeste | (desktop I mean) |
| 10:54.35 | vadmeste | I have two users account |
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| 10:55.01 | moshii | !ask |
| 10:55.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:55.04 | vadmeste | One the account cannot play music |
| 10:55.16 | moshii | vadmeste: adduser <user> audio |
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| 10:56.20 | Adrellias | hey guys |
| 10:56.32 | Adrellias | im trying to use greylistd but i get a weird error |
| 10:56.37 | Adrellias | when trying to start it |
| 10:56.56 | Adrellias | http://rafb.net/p/z7N8CM15.html |
| 10:57.01 | Adrellias | thats the error |
| 10:59.08 | foutrelis | installs greylistd .-. |
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| 10:59.15 | foutrelis | Adrellias, how are you trying to start it? |
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| 11:00.43 | Adrellias | it fails via init and via ./greylistd |
| 11:00.53 | foutrelis | weird .-. |
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| 11:01.06 | foutrelis | Adrellias, you just installed it? |
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| 11:03.33 | Adrellias | yup |
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| 11:04.02 | marc__ | oi |
| 11:04.21 | vadmeste | thanks miksuh |
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| 11:04.50 | vadmeste | Just another problem, I cannot access to my /dev/rfcomm0 (Permission Denied) |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/mail' returned no results. |
| 11:05.03 | vadmeste | (using gnome-ppp) |
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| 11:05.47 | marc__ | ls -al /dev/rfcomm0? |
| 11:05.57 | foutrelis | Adrellias, wanna try editing the file? |
| 11:06.24 | Adrellias | i have gone through the config file |
| 11:06.32 | Adrellias | its the same as on my other box |
| 11:06.38 | Adrellias | but this one doesnt work |
| 11:06.43 | Adrellias | and the other does |
| 11:06.56 | foutrelis | Adrellias, I mean /usr/sbin/greylistd |
| 11:06.58 | vadmeste | marc__, crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 216, 0 2008-06-26 12:54 /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 11:07.07 | vadmeste | marc__, so adduser <username> dialout ? |
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| 11:07.30 | marc__ | vadmeste: yep: addgroup vadmeste dialout |
| 11:07.32 | foutrelis | Adrellias, it reaches line 699, "Invalid owner specified in configuration file: %s: %s"%owner |
| 11:07.46 | vadmeste | marc__, thanks |
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| 11:08.02 | marc__ | vadmeste: if you are in a shell, you'll have to log out and log in again |
| 11:08.06 | foutrelis | Adrellias, the format string has two %s and we provide only one argument .-. |
| 11:08.19 | vadmeste | ok |
| 11:08.21 | marc__ | vadmeste: just as with e.g. /dev/ttyS0 when using minicom |
| 11:08.30 | foutrelis | Adrellias, so basically, the issue is "Invalid owner specified in configuration file" |
| 11:08.36 | Adrellias | so how do i fix it ? |
| 11:08.40 | Adrellias | there is no owner setting |
| 11:08.43 | Adrellias | in the examle |
| 11:08.48 | Adrellias | example and in my config file |
| 11:08.56 | Adrellias | is it owner = ? |
| 11:09.57 | foutrelis | Adrellias, I have no idea what configuration it wants -.- |
| 11:10.09 | foutrelis | Adrellias, I'm just telling you what the error seems to be |
| 11:10.16 | Adrellias | hehe |
| 11:10.21 | Adrellias | but now how to fix it ? |
| 11:10.37 | foutrelis | wait to check the config file .-. |
| 11:10.44 | foutrelis | see what owner means |
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| 11:11.47 | foutrelis | Adrellias, I can't find "owner" anywhere in /ect/greylistd/config .-. |
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| 11:12.00 | Adrellias | yeah same here |
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| 11:12.43 | foutrelis | Adrellias, right after you installed greylistd, did it work? .-. |
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| 11:13.03 | Adrellias | nope didnt work of the bat |
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| 11:17.36 | Adrellias | folken, this is the def createSocket (path, owner, mode): |
| 11:17.42 | Adrellias | this is how they call it |
| 11:17.55 | Adrellias | listener = createSocket(**config[SOCKET]) |
| 11:17.59 | Adrellias | that must be wrong ? |
| 11:18.06 | Adrellias | i dont know python at all |
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| 11:20.33 | peleg | do you think that this tracepath: http://paste.freeallweb.org/74 - indicates that something is wrong HERE, that is, in my local machine/router? |
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| 11:21.20 | foutrelis | Adrellias, do you get similar output? http://i25.tinypic.com/otozgn.png |
| 11:22.05 | Adrellias | found the error |
| 11:22.11 | Adrellias | its looking for user greylist:greylist |
| 11:22.13 | Adrellias | :D |
| 11:22.19 | Adrellias | so ill just create that |
| 11:22.30 | solaristic | a new linux-kernel-2.6.* update just arrived and i forgot to mount /boot first. how do i tell apt to update grub's menu.lst afterwards? |
| 11:22.40 | foutrelis | Adrellias, ehm no? |
| 11:22.52 | Adrellias | let me check the output |
| 11:22.53 | foutrelis | Adrellias, it then does, if ":" in owner: user, group = owner.split(":", 1) |
| 11:23.04 | maligor | update-grub? |
| 11:23.14 | solaristic | thanks maligor :) |
| 11:23.56 | solaristic | (i'm new to debian and used to maintain menu.lst manually before, didn't know about update-grub) |
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| 11:24.59 | cammoblammo | Hmm, ps aux is reporting a process /USR/SBIN/CRON , in all caps. Does that look suspicious to anyone? |
| 11:25.24 | Adrellias | foutrelis, its defnitly greylist:greylist it wants |
| 11:25.28 | Adrellias | and not greylistd |
| 11:25.29 | Adrellias | :D |
| 11:25.34 | Adrellias | for user and password |
| 11:26.19 | Adrellias | i mean for user and group |
| 11:26.20 | foutrelis | Adrellias, greylist:greylist <-- that's user:group, not user:passowrd |
| 11:26.26 | foutrelis | :3 |
| 11:27.05 | foutrelis | Adrellias, the user seems to be defined in the init script |
| 11:28.19 | Adrellias | hrmrmmm |
| 11:28.20 | Adrellias | ill check that |
| 11:28.27 | Adrellias | but i made the group and user |
| 11:28.32 | Adrellias | an it seems to be working now |
| 11:28.33 | Adrellias | :D |
| 11:29.31 | foutrelis | Adrellias, good job :) |
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| 11:32.18 | Adrellias | foutrelis, thanx for all the help :D |
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| 11:32.57 | Juventino | themill u there? sorry, i just tried the md5sum, it returned a differnet value |
| 11:33.56 | themill | Juventino: well.. that's interesting. I'm guessing that means that either your filesystem/disks are having a bad day, or you've had an unexpected visitor. |
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| 11:34.33 | Juventino | themill also another interesting thing, /etc/fstab is empty :\ |
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| 11:34.45 | themill | Juventino: sounding a lot like your filesystem is toast |
| 11:35.03 | Juventino | so a new installation is needed? |
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| 11:35.43 | themill | I'd probably want to know why it's corrupt first. If it's underlying hardware problems then you need to deal with them. |
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| 11:36.22 | Juventino | well i'm like 30.000 miles away .. lol so i 'll just request that the servers admins fix it.. |
| 11:36.36 | Juventino | but that's highly strange.. |
| 11:36.40 | Ziroday | Can someone make a quick deb of gnome-do for me so I dont have to install the *-dev packages |
| 11:37.19 | drax2gma | Hello guys, anyone knows about an admin tool for debian which can be used via ssh terminal session? I mean something like yast or drakconf for example. Thanks. |
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| 11:37.59 | anddam | what should I search for in order to configure a rt2x00 in Host AP mode? |
| 11:38.25 | anddam | I'm not able to find anything useful on rt2x00 wiki |
| 11:38.34 | OpenTokix | How do I get ssh with md5-password support in debian etch? |
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| 11:40.31 | OpenTokix | damnit |
| 11:40.34 | OpenTokix | I solved it =) |
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| 11:40.40 | OpenTokix | had a lingering /etc/nologin |
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| 11:45.56 | OpenTokix | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4233554/Dear_Mr._Thomas_Bodstroem |
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| 11:47.32 | anddam | a tpb link here, how unusual... |
| 11:47.38 | OpenTokix | ups |
| 11:47.42 | OpenTokix | wrong channel =) |
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| 11:49.09 | OpenTokix | It's a political rap about the survailliance in sweden |
| 11:49.54 | J-roen | Hi, I try to set up a static IP address on Debian Etch. This seems to work, because I can reach the router. Unfortuately, I cannot connect the the internet. On Windows systems, all works well. What can be the problem? |
| 11:50.15 | OpenTokix | J-roen: did you set your default gateway? |
| 11:50.30 | J-roen | OpenTokix: Yes, I did. It is 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:50.40 | NoxIn | non this is a netmask |
| 11:50.56 | J-roen | I'm sorry, you're right. |
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| 11:51.00 | J-roen | It is 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:51.52 | NoxIn | and have you setup dns ? |
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| 11:52.20 | J-roen | NoxIn: I'm not sure. How can I check? |
| 11:52.22 | sofahamster | try to ping 64.233.187.99 (google) |
| 11:52.53 | abrotman | that may not work .. |
| 11:52.57 | NoxIn | J-roen: do you have a nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 11:53.11 | abrotman | J-roen: host www.google.com .. return anything ? |
| 11:53.19 | J-roen | NoxIn: It works! No DNS entry was specified. |
| 11:53.20 | NoxIn | or ping www.google.com and tell us if the error is like "no route to host" or "unable to resolv" .... |
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| 11:53.38 | J-roen | Thanks for all your help. |
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| 12:16.11 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:16.11 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
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| 12:17.14 | RichiH | and it is |
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| 12:17.40 | RichiH | though that should prolly be philia |
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| 12:18.27 | wols | makes a good .sig. |
| 12:19.00 | abrotman | for gentoo users? |
| 12:20.22 | streuner | Isn't any OS for masochists? |
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| 12:24.03 | streuner | feeling like a masochist today, times were nicer without computers, more party, more fun ;-) |
| 12:24.06 | Coke | Hello. I'm on testing, I just installed python-elementtree and it installs the package in /usr/share/python-support/python-elementtree/ , naturally there's no PYTHONPATH including that directory, thus import elementtree FAILS. What is this all about? Why aren't all packages installed in /usr/lib/python<ver>/site-packages any more and aren't all Python package supposed to be USABLE from Python without manual hazzle? |
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| 12:24.45 | streuner | looks at Coke |
| 12:25.03 | Coke | There's now /usr/share/pyshared, /usr/share/pycentral, /usr/lib/python<ver>/site-packages, /usr/lib/python-support... ?? |
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| 12:25.35 | Coke | streuner: I just expect python-<package> installs to be importable straight after install. |
| 12:25.38 | Coke | Like it used to be. |
| 12:26.12 | streuner | Become a masochist with serverphobie and your problems are history :-) |
| 12:26.32 | Coke | I want my OS working again. |
| 12:26.53 | streuner | tzz, re-install etch |
| 12:27.16 | streuner | or look into BTS |
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| 12:28.06 | Jygga | hm what would you ppl charge for debian installation, konfiguration, medium complex routing setup ? |
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| 12:29.19 | Coke | streuner: I really don't see why it's such a problem putting everything in one directory that is built with the Python binaries |
| 12:29.27 | kolombino | how I said to random function that return me a number betwin that 1 and 10?? |
| 12:29.48 | Coke | kolombino: depends on what random function |
| 12:30.05 | Coke | import sys; sys.path.append("/usr/share/python-support/python-elementtree/") <--- ugly friggin hack |
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| 12:32.16 | ArthurArchnix | Anyone read the mailing lists and have an idea when the new banshee hit Lenny repos? |
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| 12:33.29 | streuner | !info banshee testing |
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| 12:33.57 | themill | !dbugs 479864 |
| 12:34.00 | dpkg | banshee: (Audio Management and Playback application), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.13.2+dfsg-10 (lenny), Packaged size: 2400 kB, Installed size: 7048 kB |
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| 12:34.02 | dpkg | #479864:I[python-elementtree] does not work with default python (2.5); Wed, 7 May 2008 03:30:02 UTC |
| 12:34.04 | themill | Coke: ^^ |
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| 12:34.37 | streuner | ArthurArchnix: why not using a <simple sid backport> ? |
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| 12:35.10 | abrotman | Jygga: don't ask us .. ask your client .. it's OT here |
| 12:35.23 | themill | !why is banshee not in testing |
| 12:35.24 | dpkg | banshee is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=banshee |
| 12:35.24 | ArthurArchnix | Oh... i'm in no rush... a few days, a few weeks, it's all good. I use rhythmbox, but wanted to see how the new banshee looks. |
| 12:35.26 | themill | ArthurArchnix: ^^ |
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| 12:35.49 | abrotman | oh .. cairo is frozen .. wonder if it'll get in lenny |
| 12:35.53 | Unrecovered | !ru |
| 12:35.53 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 12:36.22 | ArthurArchnix | Thanks themill. That's unfortunate. |
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| 12:36.46 | ArthurArchnix | Isn't cairo a font? |
| 12:36.49 | themill | ArthurArchnix, abrotman: I suspect it will make it eventually, it's only debian releases not new versions that are being kept out of testing |
| 12:37.11 | streuner | Es müssen 49,5MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden. |
| 12:37.12 | streuner | Nach dieser Operation werden 98,8MB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt. |
| 12:37.20 | streuner | argh, apt-get install banshee |
| 12:37.30 | themill | !de |
| 12:37.30 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 12:37.33 | themill | hides |
| 12:38.12 | streuner | themill: you cannot read these simple words? |
| 12:38.20 | abrotman | !info cairo sid |
| 12:38.29 | themill | streuner: I can understand it quite fine actually |
| 12:39.10 | abrotman | well .. the bot says cairo doesn't exist .. so i guess 'cairo' is the source package ? |
| 12:39.22 | ArthurArchnix | wow... look at everything that's waiting for Cairo. http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?waiting=cairo |
| 12:39.45 | themill | abrotman: yeah, it's all libcairo-blah and libcairo2-blah stuff |
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| 12:40.37 | themill | ArthurArchnix: that's not *that* bad... |
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| 12:46.29 | streuner | looks again "Frankenstein" video, one of best movies ever :-) |
| 12:47.46 | DawnLight | anyone got a cure for procrastination? |
| 12:48.24 | SlayerXP | DawnLight: i plan to fix that in a couple of weeks, come back then |
| 12:48.53 | DawnLight | hehehe |
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| 12:52.41 | ArthurArchnix | hmm... if I resize my main partition, can I install a new system to the free partition using... debstrab I think it's called? da-boot-strap. Got it. |
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| 12:54.36 | ArthurArchnix | sorry, hit the wrong button. If someone answered my question I missed it. |
| 12:54.53 | SlayerXP | ArthurArchnix: debootstrap, yes |
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| 13:03.36 | ronsel | i have to change the path to my.cnf in my mysql init script |
| 13:03.43 | ronsel | but it dosnt work,... |
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| 13:04.15 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 13:04.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:04.21 | wols | ronsel: and why do you have to change it? |
| 13:05.27 | liable | yay, new xserver packages fixed the slow scrolling in iceweasel problem |
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| 13:06.17 | Ace2016 | liable: sid/lenny/etch? |
| 13:06.23 | liable | sid |
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| 13:06.40 | Ace2016 | wow sweet |
| 13:06.56 | liable | problem only started again with the ff3 upgrade, now it appears to be fixed. |
| 13:06.57 | ronsel | wols i have to start more than one different mysqld |
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| 13:09.39 | saftsack | i have sid installed. how can i install older linux images such as 2.6.23? |
| 13:10.14 | Ace2016 | liable: sure it wasn't the iceweasel upgrade that did the trick? |
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| 13:10.39 | Ace2016 | saftsack: why do you need to? did you uninstall it? |
| 13:11.13 | saftsack | http://rafb.net/p/n2aMT520.html |
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| 13:11.35 | saftsack | this is the reason. problems with 2.6.25 and the hso driver. also compiled 2.6.26-rc8 but now i want first try an image before self compiling |
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| 13:12.32 | wols | saftsack: go to sdn and download an older kernel and install |
| 13:12.36 | wols | !tell saftsack about sdn |
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| 13:14.37 | Nyle | hey good morning |
| 13:17.05 | saftsack | wols, didnt get a tell |
| 13:17.12 | saftsack | oh ok query, sorry |
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| 13:18.49 | saftsack | were there no linux-image between 2.6.16 and 2.6.24? |
| 13:19.31 | abrotman | there is a .18 |
| 13:19.41 | abrotman | and numerous others .. but etch has a .18 |
| 13:20.10 | saftsack | i queried for linux-image. is there a smarter query usage for finding kernels between 2.6.20 and 2.6.23? |
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| 13:20.44 | wols | there is. testing hat .22 for example |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | saftsack: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 13:23.39 | saftsack | adding testing atm and then i will make a search |
| 13:24.11 | saftsack | hope that it will work with 2.6.22 |
| 13:25.08 | abrotman | wait whoa |
| 13:25.13 | abrotman | saftsack: are you using etch ? |
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| 13:25.25 | saftsack | im using sid |
| 13:25.29 | saftsack | testing has 2.6.24 at the moment |
| 13:25.34 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:25.34 | dpkg | snapshots is, like, an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 13:25.53 | saftsack | abrotman, yes i searched in the sdn |
| 13:26.01 | saftsack | but the sdn just shows 2.6.16 and 2.6.24 |
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| 13:26.30 | abrotman | then oyu're doing it wrong .. |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | kind of like my typing |
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| 13:27.12 | abrotman | what's wrong with the .24 ? |
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| 13:27.35 | saftsack | i had no kernel panic with 2.6.23 with openwrt |
| 13:27.56 | saftsack | so i want to try this kernel to see if it is a kernel driver mismatch or if it is a userspace bug |
| 13:28.40 | J-roen | Hi, I have a problem with VNC. I set up remote desktop in Debian Etch, which works fine in the netwerk, but from outside I can't connect. I have configured port forwarding for port 5900 for the IP address of the Debian server, but it doesn't help. What can the problem be? Thanks. |
| 13:29.18 | OpenTokix | J-roen: why don't you use ssh + X-tunneling? |
| 13:29.24 | OpenTokix | J-roen: secure, etc. |
| 13:29.37 | saftsack | OpenTokix, maybe he wants a fullsize window |
| 13:29.40 | wols | J-roen: your portforward isn't working |
| 13:29.40 | abrotman | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/08/31/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 13:29.42 | anddam | J-roen: what's "remote desktop" in etch? |
| 13:29.44 | abrotman | for instance |
| 13:29.51 | J-roen | OpenTokix: That could be okay too, but I don't think that will work if I can't use VNC either. |
| 13:29.52 | wols | anddam: vnc, wino, etc |
| 13:30.02 | gangsterlicious | anyone here have "Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5754 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express" and knows the jumbo frame mtu value? |
| 13:30.06 | anddam | J-roen: can you acces different services on that machine like httpd? |
| 13:30.57 | J-roen | anddam: I don't know the exact English term, as I installed the Dutch version. I guess it should be Remote Desktop Sharing. |
| 13:31.20 | area_s4 | . |
| 13:31.22 | J-roen | anddam: No, I can't connect to any service from outside the network. |
| 13:32.31 | twobitwork | I want to file a bug on a program that freezes intermittently... but how would I capture the core of a program that's still running? |
| 13:32.34 | J-roen | It worked before with another router but as my friend lost the password, we can't get the correct settings back. |
| 13:32.55 | twobitwork | I figure I can get the core from /proc, but wouldn't the core be changing as I'm copying it? |
| 13:33.10 | MacGyverNL | What's the recommended way of getting CVS pserver to work through an http proxy? |
| 13:33.39 | themill | MacGyverNL: change to svn with dav... |
| 13:33.52 | MacGyverNL | It's not my cvs server. |
| 13:33.56 | wols | J-roen: it's not a debian problem but a router problem |
| 13:34.10 | anddam | absolutely |
| 13:34.33 | J-roen | wols: I don't know if I should change something in Debian as the IP address of the server has changed. |
| 13:34.47 | anddam | I can't figure how set up mi wifi card in master mode, any reference? |
| 13:34.55 | anddam | I'm using rt2x00 module built with m-a |
| 13:35.01 | anddam | and I'm on lenny 2.6.18 |
| 13:35.17 | wols | J-roen: no you shouldn't but you should change something in your router config. fix your non debian portforwarding problem |
| 13:36.01 | J-roen | wols: Okay, thanks. |
| 13:36.15 | defrysk | J-roen, http://portforward.com/ |
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| 13:37.04 | OpenTokix | defrysk: awesome site =) |
| 13:37.11 | defrysk | yup |
| 13:37.52 | J-roen | Is it right that I only should forward port 5900 for Debian Remote Desktop? |
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| 13:38.45 | anddam | is that a debian specific service? |
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| 13:38.55 | anddam | I mean I just apt-installed xvncserver and run it from cli |
| 13:39.08 | anddam | J-roen: you'll need 5900+display number |
| 13:39.15 | J-roen | anddam: Yes, that's right. See http://www.debianadmin.com/images/rds/3.png. |
| 13:39.18 | anddam | J-roen: by default, that means 5901 for :1 |
| 13:39.19 | xopey | how do i execute a program and instruct it to look for libraries in a different path? |
| 13:39.38 | J-roen | anddam: How can I check the display number? |
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| 13:40.27 | anddam | J-roen: check what? you 're the one starting the server |
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| 13:41.01 | J-roen | anddam: Is the default display number 0? |
| 13:41.11 | norma | hi ... i have a problem with my HP photosmart 735 PTP camera which ceased to work in Debian last week. ... it gets detected correctly, but the according /dev/bus/usb/00x/00x entry gets owned not to root:plugdev, but to lp:scanner. |
| 13:41.21 | anddam | I think it's :1, stale lockfiles in .vnc will make it jump to next available number |
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| 13:41.37 | anddam | or you can specify it as parameter |
| 13:41.39 | xopey | J-roen: can you look in /tmp/.X11-unix/ to see what X sessions are up |
| 13:41.45 | J-roen | anddam: Right. I guess only 5900 is configured... |
| 13:41.47 | anddam | I'm talking about Xrealvnc |
| 13:41.53 | norma | I tried editing /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules , but my changes are ignored. |
| 13:41.59 | norma | anny input on my errors about this? |
| 13:42.03 | J-roen | xopey: Thanks, that is what I was looking for. |
| 13:42.24 | J-roen | Unfortunately I can't try it out now because I can't connect... |
| 13:42.29 | SKOM | where can i find printer's jobs ? is it saved in some file or where ? |
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| 13:42.58 | lukasz_ | Hello, can anybody help me to mount a mp4 player? I'm trying for 3 hours and i can't do it. My player is Pentagram RT Touch |
| 13:43.19 | xopey | np J-roen |
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| 13:44.20 | xopey | can anyone help me with changing the library search path for an executed program? |
| 13:45.06 | HdaIntel | Hi guys. Anyone help for the HDA Intel "no sound" issue ? Before you ask: alsaconf ok, modules loaded, channels at 100% on the mixers and so on... |
| 13:46.08 | lukasz_ | HdaIntel: have you got digital output? |
| 13:46.10 | stew | HdaIntel: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:46.25 | stew | HdaIntel: and what version of debian are you running? |
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| 13:46.42 | HdaIntel | Digital output: yes. |
| 13:46.48 | HdaIntel | Kanotix distro. |
| 13:46.58 | HdaIntel | Let me check for uname... |
| 13:47.01 | stew | HdaIntel: please go to #kanotix for help with kanotix |
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| 13:47.35 | HdaIntel | Already been there, but it's a general alsa-intel issue i think... |
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| 13:47.42 | stew | HdaIntel: then try #alsa |
| 13:47.50 | HdaIntel | Ok :) |
| 13:48.06 | lukasz_ | HdaIntel: are you using the digital output? If no, try to mute it - I had the same at my audigy. After i muted it, sound returned to the analog output... |
| 13:48.06 | HdaIntel | Thank you ! |
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| 13:48.26 | HdaIntel | lukasz_ thanks ! I'll try. |
| 13:49.24 | stew | hda-intel is a fast moving target. most of the time when people have trouble with hda-intel, getting a new alsa version will fix things, we, however don't know what the right way to get a new alsa version onto kanotix is |
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| 13:50.26 | lukasz_ | how can I mount mp4 player? |
| 13:50.52 | stew | lukasz_: how is it connected? usb? do you know if it supports usb mass storage? |
| 13:51.45 | lukasz_ | stew: i think it does not support mass storage, however it is usb drive - it works normally on windows and ubuntu... |
| 13:52.03 | stew | lukasz_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 13:52.25 | stew | lukasz_: if you can mount it in ubuntu, it almost definately supports usb mass storage |
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| 13:53.55 | lukasz_ | stew: "/msg dpkg usb-storage" what am I supposed to do with it? |
| 13:54.17 | stew | lukasz_: type it into your irc client to get the bot named "dpkg" to give you information on using usb mass storage drives |
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| 13:54.47 | lukasz_ | mass storage |
| 13:55.15 | gkiagia | is it possible to remove with one command all the packages that a metapackage has installed? |
| 13:55.33 | stew | gkiagia: did you install it with aptitude? if so "aptitude remove packagename" |
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| 13:56.18 | gkiagia | stew: I don't remember, I think I installed with synaptic... let me try |
| 13:56.38 | lukasz_ | stew: hmm, how can i load modules? |
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| 13:56.45 | stew | lukasz_: modprobe modulename |
| 13:57.02 | stew | lukasz_: add them to /etc/modules to have them automatically loaded upon boot |
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| 13:58.00 | gkiagia | doesn't work. it only removes the metapackage |
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| 13:59.09 | salvin | who use audacious on sid? |
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| 14:01.38 | lukasz_ | stew: Man, I love you! ;) I've been trying to do it for hours and I couldn't do it. Thanks much once again! |
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| 14:02.04 | stew | lukasz_: you're welcome |
| 14:02.13 | abrotman | tells mrs stew |
| 14:02.20 | defrysk | salvin, tried it has errors so i use lenny's |
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| 14:03.27 | salvin | defrysk, it doesn't load the arguments |
| 14:03.28 | stew | abrotman: we have an open marriage wrt debian help |
| 14:03.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:03.45 | salvin | it's a bug? |
| 14:03.57 | defrysk | dunno , its sid so unstable |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | stew: did the lappy get revived? or does it need a replacement? |
| 14:04.23 | stew | abrotman: we took it apart and found a huge dustball in the fan that had pinned the fan blades |
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| 14:04.40 | abrotman | stew: i blame the cat |
| 14:04.40 | stew | abrotman: it still got a few fan errors on the first few reboots, but seems fine now |
| 14:04.49 | stew | abrotman: no, its the corgi |
| 14:05.02 | stew | his fur gets freaken everywhere |
| 14:05.16 | abrotman | vacuum him! |
| 14:05.27 | defrysk | her |
| 14:05.46 | salvin | defrysk, i have more problems with lenny... |
| 14:05.57 | abrotman | wqait .. when did you get a corgi ? |
| 14:05.59 | stew | abrotman: we had to take the vacuum apart last week becuase he had clogged that too |
| 14:06.01 | defrysk | has no issues with lenny |
| 14:06.06 | stew | abrotman: in sept |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | after you gave back the other one? |
| 14:06.43 | railk | i used debhelper to debianize a package a while ago. now theres a new upstream release, whats the best approach to debianize the new version, given that i still have all the stuff from the old version? |
| 14:07.25 | Nyle | lenny has issues with me |
| 14:07.39 | Nyle | testing always has. So I use stable and unstable, I say fuck off to testing :( |
| 14:07.48 | defrysk | tsss |
| 14:08.38 | DawnLight | anyone knows how to abort an unwanted pregnancy in a natural way? |
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| 14:09.12 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 14:09.21 | Nyle | DawnLight, what the fuck is the matter with you/ |
| 14:09.37 | NoxIn | aptitude remove baby ? |
| 14:09.37 | DawnLight | OT? |
| 14:09.39 | P4 | DawnLight: sudo shutdown -h now |
| 14:09.46 | abrotman | DawnLight: very much OT |
| 14:10.09 | DawnLight | it made me laugh, though. thanks |
| 14:10.35 | ^shark_ | i have my asterisk 1.4.18 already setup, and i need to add imap server capabilities, i no longer have the asterisk source code so i am installing with wget ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z the imap client. do i need to recompile asterisk again after wards? |
| 14:11.09 | ^shark_ | ..or it doesnt matter and my configs will work fine? |
| 14:11.09 | NoxIn | ^shark_: why don't you install a binary packaged imap server ? |
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| 14:11.32 | NoxIn | (and it doesn't matter, asterisk and imapd are totaly different things) |
| 14:11.34 | ^shark_ | NoxIn: gd idea, thanks |
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| 14:14.04 | wols | Sharker: why do you get imapd source of a really shitty imap daemon? |
| 14:14.12 | helo | i'm getting errors in dmesg saying "DMA write timed out, parport0: FIFO is stuck, parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio" every time i print, and printing takes 20 seconds or so |
| 14:14.48 | vorsprung | bluech |
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| 14:18.08 | jelly | helo: is it a via motherboard? |
| 14:19.21 | jelly | helo: parport_pc module has some parameters esp. for VIA VT8231 chip, maybe it would help forcing it from ecp (with dma) to a lower mode (epp or spp) |
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| 14:28.32 | Agiofws | is there a nice way to produce alphanumeric files aka. convert titles6.psd 1titles/1.png cause i have to go through 2 bash scripts to get sequential files .... in 1titles/ |
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| 14:36.44 | tyler | !why use aptitude |
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| 14:36.46 | tyler | ~_~ |
| 14:36.47 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:36.50 | tyler | i forgot how to use that bad |
| 14:36.53 | tyler | bot* |
| 14:37.10 | tyler | !tell tyler about aptitude |
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| 14:37.50 | iateadonut | can i comment out a line in my crontab? |
| 14:37.59 | tyler | !tell tyler why not aptitude |
| 14:38.05 | segers_j | tyler: /msg apt aptitude would have gotten the same results. (fyi) |
| 14:38.10 | rvsjoen | hmm... any idea why alt+1..2 etc doesnt work in xterm ? I just get ±²³´ characters |
| 14:38.11 | tyler | oh heh |
| 14:38.13 | tyler | thanks ;p |
| 14:38.15 | iateadonut | i tried with an #, but then i did crontab -l and it still lists the thing i wanted to comment out. |
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| 14:39.23 | pmarek | I've got a question regarding resolvconf, dhcp3-client and some more |
| 14:39.50 | NoxIn | pmarek: ask instead of tezlling you have something to ask |
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| 14:39.55 | pmarek | dhclient-enter-hooks.d has some files in it - debug, resolvconf, samba etc. |
| 14:40.02 | pmarek | but they're not executable |
| 14:40.16 | pmarek | so I think run-parts refuses to run them (from dhcp3-script) |
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| 14:40.25 | rvsjoen | its only in xterm, not other terminals |
| 14:40.52 | pmarek | Running "run-parts --test dhclient-enter-hooks.d/" gives no output |
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| 14:41.58 | pmarek | and AFAIS the scripts aren't run on "dhclient -r" or "dhclient", too |
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| 14:42.38 | pmarek | Simply doing "chmod +x" isn't enough |
| 14:43.08 | pmarek | Then I get "exec format error", as they have no "#!/bin/sh" at the top |
| 14:43.25 | pmarek | So can somebody tell me where I'm wrong? |
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| 14:44.37 | pmarek | I even verified that eg. resolvconf and dhcp3-client have the files without x in the .deb |
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| 14:47.08 | pmarek | Originally I took a look because the statement 'supersede domain-search ".";' in dhclient.conf doesn't seem to work |
| 14:47.14 | pmarek | So I tried to use the debug script |
| 14:47.20 | themill | iateadonut: man 5 crontab tells you that # works. crontab -l is just showing you your crontab |
| 14:47.23 | pmarek | but that doesn't get started |
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| 14:49.09 | themill | pmarek: chmod +x works here for those scripts |
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| 14:49.32 | iateadonut | yeah... i have some weird problem where my df keeps showing higher and higher on my root directory, and whenever i save my cron it gives me an error. |
| 14:49.38 | iateadonut | (disk space error) |
| 14:49.52 | iateadonut | so. pretty fubar. |
| 14:50.29 | iateadonut | it's showing 0 available on / when i do df, but each time i do that, the used portion keeps going up and up. |
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| 14:51.48 | berzerka | aahh, back home... |
| 14:51.55 | berzerka | has been using ubuntu for a while now... |
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| 14:52.34 | foutrelis | has been seeing trolls for a while now... |
| 14:53.05 | berzerka | i want to build a kernel image myself, using kernel-package. will a "make-kpkg --initrd" and installation of the resulting .debs do? |
| 14:53.29 | themill | dpkg: tell berzerka about kp-mantra |
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| 14:53.56 | mquin | foutrelis: stop hanging around under bridged then |
| 14:53.57 | pythonic | hi! where can i see what's happening about the ruby vulnerabilities in debian? |
| 14:53.59 | iateadonut | anyone have any idea what that could be? |
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| 14:54.16 | pmarek | themill: Of course I can add the #! header myself - but as all 4 files from different packages don't have it |
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| 14:54.31 | pmarek | themill: I wanted to ask whether I'm on a completely wrong track |
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| 14:54.51 | ejos | Greetings! |
| 14:55.04 | ootput | hi |
| 14:55.28 | foutrelis | mquin, I'm not aware of what "under bridged" means .-. |
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| 14:55.43 | ootput | my isp is shaping my net-traffic, and it has become a burden to do any http requests. When is the anticipated date for Lenny == Stable ? |
| 14:56.02 | themill | !wwlr |
| 14:56.02 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 14:56.34 | pythonic | so late 2009 then |
| 14:56.35 | pmarek | iateadonut: are you using reiserfs? maybe some program keeps writing data |
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| 14:56.53 | mquin | foutrelis: a typo of "under bridges", the typical habitat of trolls |
| 14:57.12 | foutrelis | mquin, oh :) |
| 14:57.33 | stew | pythonic: check http://lists.debian.org/debian-security |
| 14:57.41 | iateadonut | pmarek, what does the disk type have to do with it? |
| 14:57.51 | iateadonut | partition type, rather. |
| 14:57.58 | l403 | I need some lightweight web server just to post my notes. could you type in some names? |
| 14:58.09 | hipodilski | how can I check if memory is ddr1 or ddr2 in debian? |
| 14:58.15 | hipodilski | is the a command or smth |
| 14:58.29 | foutrelis | l403, apache or lighttpd will do |
| 14:58.30 | stew | l403: look at the "Reverse Provides" section of "apt-cache showpkg httpd" |
| 14:58.56 | l403 | thanx |
| 14:59.00 | foutrelis | l403, lighttpd is better for static content (like html pages and images) |
| 14:59.12 | cahoot | hipodilski: try decode-dimms |
| 14:59.13 | iateadonut | why would my used disk space be going up while my available remains at 0. |
| 14:59.37 | iateadonut | and while some other runaway program (we assume) is writing to disk, i can't write a tiny cron file. |
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| 14:59.52 | l403 | lighttpd will do then |
| 15:00.06 | stew | iateadonut: by default, 5% of disk space is reserved for root, so you can have unused disk space that is unavailable |
| 15:00.07 | ejos | where can i found the documentation on syslogd behavior despide man syslogd?, because i saw on /var/log/daemon.log that the information on it is each 72 hours instead of hourly e.g: Jun 16 15:32:20 jump to Jun 19 16:00:00, why? |
| 15:00.07 | themill | iateadonut: available doesn't include the reserved disk space that only root can write to |
| 15:00.14 | hipodilski | cahoot: what is decode-dimms |
| 15:00.18 | iateadonut | i see. |
| 15:00.32 | iateadonut | so, the runaway process must be root. |
| 15:00.33 | pythonic | stew: thanks.. seems the best so far is from a non-maintainer :-/ |
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| 15:00.51 | iateadonut | how can root edit a user's crontab? |
| 15:00.59 | cahoot | hipodilski: a script (perl I think) |
| 15:01.09 | ejos | iateadonut, crontab -e |
| 15:01.37 | pythonic | but no public, full disclosure discussion of what's going on.. |
| 15:01.37 | stew | iateadonut: man 1 crontab |
| 15:01.40 | Sala | any helpme for balancing charge whit 2 Adsl |
| 15:01.54 | iateadonut | yes. |
| 15:01.55 | iateadonut | right. |
| 15:01.55 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 15:02.05 | cahoot | hipodilski: in i2c-tools |
| 15:02.07 | helo | how do i keep MTA from taking forever to start on boot? |
| 15:02.14 | iateadonut | well, my crontab is changed on my user. thanks for the quick help. (i guess i can find the runaway process later). |
| 15:02.24 | iateadonut | MTA - be hooked up to a network. |
| 15:02.47 | l403 | helo: I have to rip out my pcmcia wifi card |
| 15:02.59 | stew | Sala: what is "balancing charge"? |
| 15:03.00 | hipodilski | cahoot: no such package in debian lenny :( |
| 15:03.24 | helo | i am hooked up to a network, but my gateway is down sometimes |
| 15:03.53 | helo | what is taking so long anyways? some kind of dns timeout? |
| 15:03.58 | cahoot | hipodilski: i2c-tools - sure is on my lenny |
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| 15:05.18 | hipodilski | cahoot: sorry wrong system actually the system is etch |
| 15:05.32 | helo | the machine would boot up in less than a minute if freaking MTA didn't sit there for 3 or 4 minutes |
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| 15:05.48 | stew | helo: yes, its a dns timeout |
| 15:06.06 | helo | it is on a local domain... what dns name is it trying to resolve? |
| 15:06.06 | cahoot | hipodilski: see what dmicecode offers then (or look for decode-dimms.pl) |
| 15:06.07 | enry | is it possible to force a pkg to install from testing even if it wants to halt on dependencies needing to be updated as well? |
| 15:06.44 | stew | enry: you don't want to do that. use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:08.21 | helo | it doesn't even need external mail delivery... it is pretty frustrating for an unnecessary component to take so long to start up |
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| 15:08.49 | helo | does nullmailer do the same kind of dns query? |
| 15:09.05 | stew | helo: make sure the mailname/hostname can be mapped and reverse mapped from /etc/hosts |
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| 15:12.40 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 15:12.55 | Ace2016 | how do i find out what options were used to boot the system? |
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| 15:13.17 | Ace2016 | i added something by pressing e at grub, and i forgot it, i really need it to stop locking up the system |
| 15:13.57 | themill | Ace2016: is the system still running? cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 15:14.36 | brauliobo | is it possible to have debian folder not on software's configure directory? or how can I make dpkg-buildpackage look for another source folder? |
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| 15:15.47 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 15:15.58 | brauliobo | ow how to specify where debian folder is for dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 15:16.01 | infinitycircuit | Ace2016: woah sorry i totally missed themill's response |
| 15:16.09 | dustybin | is it possible to use tin newsreader with more than 1 news server? |
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| 15:17.59 | hipodilski | cahoot: actually dmidecode |
| 15:18.07 | Ace2016 | yes its still running] |
| 15:18.07 | hipodilski | fit just perfect for the job |
| 15:18.08 | hipodilski | :) |
| 15:19.01 | Ace2016 | themill and infinitycircuit: Thanks it worked |
| 15:19.07 | themill | :) |
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| 15:20.09 | segers_j | dustybin: Pan will do it, but pan's command line interface is kinda bare bones (binaries and nzbs is about it) |
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| 15:21.50 | cahoot | hipodilski: ? |
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| 15:23.28 | berzerka | brauliobo, isn't it enough to pass the debian/rules file with -R? otherwise you could create a symlink from directory/debian to wherever you like.. |
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| 15:24.24 | dustybin | segers_j: its ok i found out how to do it |
| 15:24.30 | dustybin | edit a config and |
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| 15:24.34 | dustybin | tin -g shortname |
| 15:24.47 | Bushmills | strange.. my installation was suffering from severe memory leaks .. Xorg was growing to about 1 gigabyte memory use per day, so much that i increased the size of my swap partition, from 1 to 4 gig - since i did that, the mem leaks seem to have disappeared. |
| 15:25.22 | Nyle | Good afternoon |
| 15:25.27 | Nyle | hey Bushmills |
| 15:25.31 | Bushmills | hi |
| 15:25.32 | infinitycircuit | Bushmills: do you use stuff like xcompmgr? |
| 15:25.46 | Nyle | Bushmills, which xorg version? |
| 15:25.50 | Nyle | Bushmills, sid? testing? |
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| 15:26.09 | brauliobo | berzerka: gonna try. kind don't like the symlink idea. I would like to put all packages on a folder packages on the source folder. |
| 15:26.11 | Bushmills | infinitycircuit: no. and all transparency stuff is turned off. not even hardware gl drivers installed, but using the nv driver |
| 15:26.19 | Bushmills | sid, yes |
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| 15:26.27 | Nyle | 4 GB ram I and experienced the same behaviour |
| 15:26.37 | Bushmills | 1 gig ram here |
| 15:26.38 | Nyle | I have no swap space at all |
| 15:27.06 | Nyle | maybe I should make a swap file? or would that be considerably slower? |
| 15:27.11 | PriitM | I like turtles |
| 15:27.16 | Nyle | I dunno if i can spare a partition |
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| 15:27.37 | Bushmills | thus i went from 1+1 gig to 1+4 gig. first case leaky, second not, as far (18 h since) |
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| 15:27.59 | Nyle | hm |
| 15:28.04 | Bushmills | Nyle: your system might even speed up |
| 15:28.13 | Nyle | ok |
| 15:28.15 | Bushmills | because it should be able to cache more |
| 15:28.20 | Nyle | I'll start with a 1gb swap file |
| 15:28.26 | Nyle | see if I start to swap at all |
| 15:28.37 | Nyle | my ram usage is 60% this uptime session |
| 15:28.45 | Nyle | 40% unused, unbuffered |
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| 15:29.01 | Nyle | I thought I wouldn't need swap |
| 15:29.34 | Nyle | Bushmills, yeh the system lags a lot after say 1 night |
| 15:29.39 | berzerka | Nyle: linux always caches only as far as "regular" pages don't need to be swapped, or does it? |
| 15:29.52 | berzerka | Nyle: thus, adding extra swap shouldn't make linux cache more... |
| 15:29.56 | Nyle | Bushmills, I find myself constantly restarting X ... |
| 15:29.57 | berzerka | Nyle: i might be wrong. |
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| 15:30.03 | Nyle | berzerka, I'm actually not sure |
| 15:30.06 | Nyle | !swap |
| 15:30.07 | dpkg | swap is probably RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 15:30.10 | Nyle | read the wiki |
| 15:30.29 | Bushmills | Nyle: what is the most memory-consuming process on your machine after a night? |
| 15:30.30 | jakal | hellp, i have a problem with kdm, it crashes every time i try to close it, if i give a restart from it it crashes and i can't go to a console, if i do from console /etc/init.d/kdm it can't be stoped, only way is a killall kdm from console, /var/log/kdm doesn't show any info about it |
| 15:30.41 | Nyle | Bushmills, xorg |
| 15:30.49 | Nyle | Bushmills, well compiz-fusion |
| 15:30.54 | Nyle | well |
| 15:31.02 | Nyle | both |
| 15:31.04 | Bushmills | Nyle: then it should be interesting to observe the results |
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| 15:31.38 | Nyle | jakal, it could be your video driver? |
| 15:31.43 | Nyle | jakal, or it could be kdm |
| 15:31.46 | Bushmills | now my Xorg is on a acceptable 133m VIRT, 47 mb RSS mem use. unthinkable before |
| 15:31.57 | Nyle | jakal, check the bug tracker for those two |
| 15:32.12 | Nyle | jakal, however to answer your question, pkill kdm |
| 15:32.24 | Nyle | or if that fucks it, sudo pkill -i kdm |
| 15:32.27 | Nyle | -9* |
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| 15:32.51 | Nyle | jakal, I had that bug too, but since I stopped using fglrx the bug went away |
| 15:32.59 | Bushmills | jakal: how often does it happen that you need to close kdm? |
| 15:33.18 | jakal | Bushmills: every time i restart/shutdown ... |
| 15:33.21 | Nyle | jakal, last week on fglrx driver, if I do alt+ctrl+backspace (i got total system lockup, even sysrq shortcuts wouldn' work) |
| 15:33.27 | Bushmills | ah. |
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| 15:33.38 | jakal | Nyle: i do use fglrx |
| 15:33.43 | Nyle | jakal, thats your problem |
| 15:33.47 | Nyle | I gaurantee it |
| 15:33.50 | themill | jakal: etch? |
| 15:33.52 | infinitycircuit | ls |
| 15:33.56 | infinitycircuit | lol sorry |
| 15:34.23 | Bushmills | jakal: when you switch to console, ctrl-alt-F1, same problem? |
| 15:34.24 | Nyle | jakal, try a diff driver for a time being, and try messing with kdm, restart etc. etc. |
| 15:34.35 | jakal | Bushmills: no |
| 15:34.36 | Nyle | see if it makes a diff, easy way to test if its fglrx or not |
| 15:34.46 | Nyle | eliminate the fglrx possibility first |
| 15:34.50 | Bushmills | jakal: try to switch to console, and run shutdown from there. |
| 15:35.04 | Nyle | try loading with vesa or radeon (which now works on r500/600 also) |
| 15:35.09 | Nyle | in sid tha is, not in etch |
| 15:35.11 | brauliobo | berzerka: option -R doesn' exist |
| 15:35.18 | quieteyes | ok...this is a conversation that spilled over from #samba - goes like this: the samba package imports all users, including service accounts, into its database. Some folks feel this is a dangerous move because an inexperienced Windows admin might delete the accounts and break something on the box. A bug report was submitted but the bug was closed, and the behavior left in. I have a simple proposal that fixes it for both sides of the argument..... |
| 15:35.33 | berzerka | Nyle: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management#Swappiness_.282.6_kernels.29 |
| 15:35.40 | themill | jakal: what version of debian are you running? etch? lenny? |
| 15:35.43 | jakal | Bushmills: that works.. but i would like to use a shutdown button then ctrl-alt-f1 + killall kdm + shutdown |
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| 15:35.49 | jakal | themill: sid |
| 15:35.56 | Nyle | jakal, definitely fglrx is the culprit |
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| 15:36.04 | Bushmills | jakal: i meant, shutdown without killall kdm. |
| 15:36.05 | themill | jakal: are you using a recent fglrx? |
| 15:36.09 | Nyle | I know this for a fact (I think ;)) |
| 15:36.10 | quieteyes | ...the solution I think is fairly simple. The package should include an additional prompt that asks (roughly) "Include user accounts that are for services?" |
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| 15:36.28 | jakal | themill: yes... and thank God this time it works perfect except this crash thing on kdm |
| 15:36.29 | berzerka | brauliobo: hmm.. at least in my manpage of dpkg-buildpackage it does exist. |
| 15:36.31 | Nyle | themill, 8.4 and/or 8.5 both have this bug |
| 15:36.39 | jakal | i mean tv-out works.. every 3d works perfect... |
| 15:36.40 | berzerka | brauliobo: i am on testing, if that matters.. |
| 15:36.51 | Nyle | its not a kdm problem, startx, or X, and try to alt+ctrl+backspace gives same ssytem lockup |
| 15:37.01 | Nyle | only on fglrx |
| 15:37.10 | Nyle | 8.4 I tried, AND catalyst 8.5 |
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| 15:37.17 | jakal | Nyle: guess u hate fglrx as much as i do :( |
| 15:37.23 | Nyle | I don't hate it |
| 15:37.25 | themill | Nyle: I had this problem with the etch fglrx but it went away upgrading to something newer from lenny at the time and is still fine for me with 8.47 |
| 15:37.29 | quieteyes | so the question is put forth to the #debian channel - how do I submit this as a feature request to the package maintainer, so that it will get incorporated and the feature included? We're talking about a minor change that has a major impact (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444781 for further details) |
| 15:37.35 | Nyle | themill, hmm |
| 15:37.42 | berzerka | brauliobo: and i fear the debian directory has to exist anyways.. tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory |
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| 15:37.53 | torroella | how can I get sudo apt-get install 915resolution |
| 15:38.09 | Nyle | torroella, ? |
| 15:38.32 | torroella | hii |
| 15:38.32 | quieteyes | torroella, that command should work as-is (provided the package exists) |
| 15:38.33 | infinitycircuit | torroella: open a terminal and type the command...? if you haven't turned on sudo then run su root -c 'aptitude install 915resolution' |
| 15:38.41 | torroella | still trying to solve my problem |
| 15:38.47 | Nyle | is 915resolution a package? |
| 15:38.51 | Nyle | !info 915resolution |
| 15:38.54 | torroella | lol i need the repository i think |
| 15:38.56 | torroella | yes it is |
| 15:38.57 | jakal | Nyle: what was the page to see bugs related to fglxr pkg ? |
| 15:39.03 | infinitycircuit | no it isn't |
| 15:39.03 | Nyle | !bts |
| 15:39.03 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 15:39.10 | Nyle | jakal, phoronix |
| 15:39.13 | quieteyes | so no takers on the samba question? no comment? |
| 15:39.23 | torroella | Nyle: do you know the repository? |
| 15:39.24 | Nyle | jakal, ati.amd.com has links for unofficial official wiki on fglrx driver and its own bt |
| 15:39.28 | Nyle | torroella, no clue |
| 15:39.32 | Nyle | 11:39 [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Package '915resolution' does not exist. |
| 15:39.40 | Nyle | you are trying to get yoru intel video to work? |
| 15:39.42 | torroella | Nyle: does debian use universe ? |
| 15:39.45 | Nyle | has never owned intel video, no idea |
| 15:39.46 | torroella | Nyle: yes, exactly |
| 15:39.47 | berzerka | Nyle: it isn't mentioned explicitly, but i conclude that linux only caches/buffers up to the physical memory limit. what makes perfect sense on second thought, why should the kernel buffer disk i/o on the disk itself, that's absurd. |
| 15:39.48 | Nyle | torroella, no |
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| 15:39.51 | Nyle | !intel |
| 15:39.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 15:39.55 | Nyle | doh |
| 15:40.02 | themill | torroella: 915resolution is no longer required and has been removed |
| 15:40.11 | torroella | :o |
| 15:40.12 | Nyle | berzerka, makes sense |
| 15:40.30 | Nyle | themill, what does he need? |
| 15:40.31 | torroella | then, there is no way to fix my lap? |
| 15:40.32 | torroella | :| |
| 15:40.37 | Nyle | torroella, driver 'intel' |
| 15:40.41 | Nyle | I think should suffice |
| 15:40.44 | torroella | Nyle: I wrote it already |
| 15:40.55 | torroella | But the resolution is not the good one |
| 15:41.01 | Nyle | torroella, no problem |
| 15:41.08 | Nyle | torroella, in xterm, type 'xrandr -q' |
| 15:41.09 | themill | torroella: what's the problem that you're trying to "fix". The latest intel drivers have 915resolution built into them hence the external tool is not required any more |
| 15:41.10 | torroella | I use a monitor WXGA TFT de 15,4" (1280 × 800) |
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| 15:41.24 | Nyle | torroella, pastebin the output of it |
| 15:41.35 | Nyle | torroella, also patebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:41.44 | Nyle | thanks |
| 15:41.54 | torroella | http://www.qwqw.pastebin.com/m5cec5eef |
| 15:42.08 | stew | welcome to 18 hours ago... |
| 15:42.11 | torroella | Nyle: i did it, remeber? the resolution is supposed to be working, but in gnome it is not. |
| 15:42.13 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.20 | Nyle | you are using this resolution right now. |
| 15:42.28 | torroella | no i don't |
| 15:42.32 | Nyle | YES you are. |
| 15:42.32 | torroella | tha'ts whay debian think |
| 15:42.38 | torroella | look |
| 15:42.42 | Nyle | gnoem is fucked up |
| 15:42.53 | Nyle | torroella, you have the correct resolution in Xorg. |
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| 15:43.05 | torroella | on the resolution configuration there is no way to select 1280, is using 1024 and I know it cuz I had the same problem with ubuntu, 1024 is the same as right now |
| 15:43.06 | stew | Nyle: don't you remember this? he needs gnome to save his settings, but he doesn't think he should need to |
| 15:43.16 | torroella | stew: nope, you're wrong |
| 15:43.20 | Nyle | stew, yes I remember now |
| 15:43.26 | torroella | I don't need to , I need to adjust the screen |
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| 15:43.33 | jakal | Nyle: u tried using gdm instead of kdm ? |
| 15:43.55 | Nyle | I have no problem. |
| 15:43.56 | torroella | bbl |
| 15:43.59 | Nyle | I dislike anything gtk. |
| 15:44.07 | Nyle | I use kdm+kde |
| 15:44.28 | themill | stew: wtf was all that about? |
| 15:44.33 | jakal | Nyle: they say in the last version of fglrx they solved the problem for gdm and the problem stays in kdm |
| 15:44.36 | Nyle | themill, long story |
| 15:44.39 | stew | he doesn't need to adjust the screen. we've established at least three different ways that he is using the right resolution |
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| 15:45.22 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:45.32 | Nyle | someone tell him to install kde and call it a day. |
| 15:45.39 | themill | stew: ahh... so what does he think is the problem still? Just to tell gnome to try to use the higher res because it currently is trying to load something lower resolution because he previously saved that? |
| 15:45.45 | stew | themill: his gnome/wm has some remembered settings (for stuff like saved window sizes and panel locations) that were made with a 1024x768 screen. now that he is using a 1280x800 screen, the panel is only 1024 pixels from the top of the screen instead of 1280 |
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| 15:45.58 | stew | themill: he insists taht the problem is that somehow his x server is running at the wrong resoultion |
| 15:46.08 | xci | how do I bind for example § to <Esc> |
| 15:46.10 | z00p14nk70n | !mold |
| 15:46.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, mold is what grows on debian |
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| 15:46.17 | themill | stew: well it is.. because it's being told to :) |
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| 15:46.27 | stew | themill: he force quits gnome instead of giving gnome a chance to remember new settings. he doesn't think there should be any reason to make gnome save no settings |
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| 15:46.33 | Nyle | stew, though I can see where he is coming from. I'm not sure if this is also gnome specific, however, gnome does not list 1280x800 for him in its control panel |
| 15:46.39 | berzerka | when i simply execute startx without having a .xinitrc in $HOME, the global /etc/X11/Xsession script is invoked, which sources all scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d (i believe..). How can i make certain windowmanager/desktop the default for this kind of invocation? |
| 15:46.53 | themill | stew: sounds fun for everyone. Well... I can also sing that chorus next time he comes back then :) |
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| 15:47.19 | Nyle | stew, I think he wants gnome to recognize the 1280x800 resolution also. He believe that if gnome can show/configure this resolution in its control panel, his panels will be fine. |
| 15:48.04 | stew | it would be great for him to try this as a new user, or after moving his .gnome* directories, so that he could realize this has to do with saved gnome settings |
| 15:48.26 | stew | but his attitude is one of "i never had to do this in ubuntu" |
| 15:48.35 | Nyle | I told him that last night. mv .gconf* and .gnome* elsewhere or try a diff DM or new user. |
| 15:49.00 | stew | Nyle: he never had to do that with ubuntu though. you DON"T GET IT! |
| 15:49.05 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:49.06 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:49.43 | berzerka | ah i think i am getting into it, 50x11-common_determine-startup will tell me i guess... |
| 15:49.51 | dante_2core | ... if he never had to do that in ubuntu and does not want to resolve it in debian, he shall go back to ubuntu then. |
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| 15:50.00 | dante_2core | no reason to waste time on people not wanting to be helped |
| 15:50.23 | Nyle | well |
| 15:50.39 | Nyle | we can try to once more let him see the light |
| 15:50.46 | Nyle | or we can shun him out next time he comes |
| 15:50.53 | Nyle | I'm gonna still try to help him. |
| 15:50.55 | berzerka | yep, got it. it's the symlink /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager, if someone cares.. |
| 15:50.56 | dante_2core | you are free to do what you want anyway :D |
| 15:50.58 | dante_2core | and that's noble. |
| 15:51.03 | Nyle | if he doesn't listen, then fuck him. |
| 15:51.14 | stew | i have no interest in that |
| 15:51.31 | dante_2core | I just came to an attitude of not helping people that are not grateful of it - has to do with my surrounding in RL |
| 15:51.37 | Nyle | its no harm in trying to tell him one more time. thats it. |
| 15:51.50 | dante_2core | indeed. no criticism on you guys, really. |
| 15:52.05 | brauliobo | berzerka: the symlink worked... there is no way to indicate to dpkg-buildpackage where the sources is, isn't it? |
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| 15:52.41 | berzerka | brauliobo: i must confess, i used dpkg-buildpackage very rarely, it was just an idea to solve it this way... |
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| 15:53.04 | quieteyes | (raps on monitor) knock, knock, anyone there? |
| 15:53.04 | torroella | back |
| 15:53.08 | berzerka | brauliobo: but i guess it expects the working directory to be the source tree... |
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| 15:53.46 | torroella | Nyle: any idea then? |
| 15:54.05 | Nyle | torroella, create a new user, and use that to login to gnome |
| 15:54.08 | dante_2core | quieteyes, pong - what's up? ^ |
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| 15:54.19 | Nyle | torroella, see if that fixes the problem |
| 15:54.23 | torroella | Nyle: ok |
| 15:54.38 | dante_2core | if it does, that's a hint |
| 15:54.40 | brauliobo | berzerka: yes, it does. so it forces the debian folder to be in the source tree. i'm going to keep this way for now. thank you your help! |
| 15:54.41 | dtatulea_ | Hi. I know this is not the right place, but nobody else seems to respond. I'm trying to boot into my ntfs patition (hd0,4) on a macbook. I know that it's out of the MBR, but if I use grub-efi, will it recognize it? |
| 15:55.03 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, do you have everything backupped? (just a general question) |
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| 15:55.18 | Nyle | backed up* |
| 15:55.18 | berzerka | brauliobo: i am glad to help :) |
| 15:55.25 | dante_2core | my007ms, thanks |
| 15:55.31 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: Nope. I want to salvage my win install... |
| 15:55.34 | dante_2core | meh Nyle thanks |
| 15:55.40 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:55.43 | berzerka | feels so at home again... |
| 15:55.53 | torroella | Nyle: done, brb |
| 15:55.55 | berzerka | (without intending to troll...) |
| 15:55.57 | my007ms | ;) thanks without work this nice :) |
| 15:56.01 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 15:56.10 | Nyle | I tried to troll a few times |
| 15:56.13 | Nyle | I failed miserably |
| 15:56.18 | dante_2core | my007ms, ^^ |
| 15:56.21 | berzerka | =) |
| 15:57.21 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, then use a livecd to back up things anyway |
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| 15:57.34 | torroella | Nyle: same |
| 15:57.43 | dante_2core | when playing with grub/partitions and stuff, you should really always be on the safe side. |
| 15:58.15 | Nyle | torroella, just for the hell of it, isntall kde and see what happens.. if it works use kde instead. I don't know how to help you anymore. |
| 15:58.16 | Bushmills | dtatulea_: a partition is never on the MBR. a boot loader should be there, whether a paritition can be booted, is partly determined by that. other part is, are the disk IO routines which are resident in your system (mainboard or diskl controller firmware) able to access that part of the disk. |
| 15:58.27 | berzerka | has anyone an idea why debian still uses lilo by default? (and the installer gives no choice to pick grub..) |
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| 15:58.52 | torroella | Nyle: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6492/screenshotxn0.png |
| 15:58.54 | dante_2core | torroella, mmh - you might try fluxbox or something smaller first |
| 15:58.56 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: I know. But I don't have much to back up. I just don;t want to reinstall all the OS'es again... |
| 15:58.59 | Nyle | stew, check this out if you have not seen this yet. http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_2.jpg <-- I made this in GIMP last night from scratch, with logos from debian.org |
| 15:59.13 | foutrelis | berzerka, I believe it uses grub .-. |
| 15:59.22 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, yea. just wanted to set a reminder. I don't know what partition table type macs use, are they EFI? |
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| 15:59.31 | dtatulea_ | Bushmills: I know that the partiton in not on the mbr. |
| 15:59.37 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: Yep, EFI. |
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| 15:59.42 | torroell1 | oops |
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| 15:59.47 | berzerka | foutrelis: just did a fresh install using the etch netinstall, and i had no choice but to pick lilo, what sursrised me. |
| 15:59.47 | torroell1 | got dc |
| 15:59.48 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, what do you mean partition is not on mbr? |
| 15:59.49 | torroell1 | I won't change knome |
| 16:00.04 | berzerka | foutrelis: i did expert, graphical installation, maybe that matters? |
| 16:00.09 | torroell1 | monitor WXGA TFT de 15,4" (1280 × 800) |
| 16:00.26 | dtatulea_ | Bushmills, dante_2core: I meant out of the MBR scope (which is [0,3]). |
| 16:00.41 | Nyle | torroella, why don't you just use Ubuntu? |
| 16:00.41 | Bushmills | dtatulea_: yes, you said that you know that your partition is not in the MBR - because you mentioned that. Ii understood that you thought that might be a problem. |
| 16:00.44 | dtatulea_ | MBR does not support more that 4 primary partitions. |
| 16:00.50 | torroell1 | Nyle: because I don't want to? |
| 16:00.51 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, then repartition? :D |
| 16:01.03 | Nyle | torroell1, which version of debian ? |
| 16:01.04 | dtatulea_ | :) |
| 16:01.05 | stew | torroell1: what is the problem in this screenshot: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6492/screenshotxn0.png ? |
| 16:01.10 | torroell1 | Nyle: look, on ubuntu worked, using the small squares above the resolution settings, you know which ones? |
| 16:01.13 | cahoot | does xrandr list the wanted reo? |
| 16:01.22 | stew | oh nm |
| 16:01.26 | masus | hi all , have download ff3 and get an error if i tyipe ./firefox "cannot find mozilla runtime directory". Can Anybody help ? i use debian etch. have googled but nothing found :( |
| 16:01.27 | stew | torroell1: is that with a fresh user? |
| 16:01.35 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, well... you mean you have 4 primary partitions, but mbr only supports 3? |
| 16:01.38 | torroell1 | stew: what's the problem? look the bars and right spaces |
| 16:01.40 | torroell1 | stew: yes |
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| 16:01.44 | dante_2core | cahoot, good question - I was about to ask that too |
| 16:01.53 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: MBR supports 4, I've got 5. |
| 16:01.59 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, how come? :D |
| 16:02.00 | stew | torroell1: can you move the panel to where you want it, and logout, and log back in, and tell me if the panel stays where you want it to stay? |
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| 16:02.26 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: 1x efi, 1x hfs+, 1x 0x82, 1x 0x83, 1x ntfs |
| 16:02.30 | torroell1 | stew: the panel on the bottom does, the one above no, and the right space neither, is a resolution problem, not a move panels problem. |
| 16:02.45 | torroell1 | Indeed I can't fix the above panel and the right space thing. |
| 16:02.46 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, meh~ coudn't have it much more complicated than that, huh ^^ |
| 16:02.50 | foutrelis | berzerka, I'm not sure .-. |
| 16:03.06 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, well then try grub-efi, I don't know if it helps, but you can reinstall the older grub using livecds anyway |
| 16:03.12 | berzerka | foutrelis: well, i'll just install grub, no big deal, only was kinda surprised... |
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| 16:03.30 | Nyle | torroell1, you can't move the panels? |
| 16:03.33 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: Maybe this is a stupid question, but can I change a partition number? |
| 16:03.43 | torroell1 | Nyle: ,just the one on theb ottom |
| 16:03.52 | Nyle | ok |
| 16:03.52 | torroell1 | bottom |
| 16:03.54 | Nyle | so do it |
| 16:03.58 | Nyle | move it, log out,andlogin |
| 16:04.02 | Nyle | don't force quit gnome |
| 16:04.02 | foutrelis | berzerka, I would be surprised too. I haven't come across lilo in year :3 |
| 16:04.05 | foutrelis | *years |
| 16:04.07 | torroell1 | I did, what's the difference? |
| 16:04.08 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, weeeehell, Idunno as I don't know efi partition tables |
| 16:04.10 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: I'd switch between swap and ntfs. |
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| 16:04.19 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, I see what you want to do |
| 16:04.25 | Nyle | torroell1, if you force quit, gnome will not save its settings, if you logout, gnome will save the settings |
| 16:04.33 | dante_2core | what program do you use for partitioning? normally you can't just switch |
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| 16:05.12 | Nyle | torroell1, we are asking you to do thsese things so that we can try to figure out exactly where the problem lies |
| 16:05.12 | torroell1 | Nyle: so?, I don't need gnome to save settings, if I move the panel at the bottom, the right space and the panel on the top, are still the same, is a resolution problem. |
| 16:05.27 | dante_2core | torroell1, don't you want to be helped? |
| 16:05.27 | cahoot | does xrandr list the wanted reo? |
| 16:05.31 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: I've used plenty....right now, they all seem to work in a bizarre manner: they recognize all my partitions as linux and one swap.... |
| 16:05.35 | Nyle | torroell1, if you want our help you will help to let us troubleshoot |
| 16:05.45 | Nyle | torroell1, if you cannot do as you are instructed then please do not ask for help |
| 16:05.47 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: At least gfdisk and sfdisk. |
| 16:05.49 | torroell1 | Nyle: I want help, when I said no? :S |
| 16:05.54 | torroell1 | Nyle: I told you I did it |
| 16:06.08 | dante_2core | <18:03> < torroell1> Nyle: so?, I don't need gnome to save settings, if I move the panel at the bottom, the right space and the panel on the top, are still |
| 16:06.21 | Nyle | torroell1, did the panel stay where you put it? |
| 16:06.23 | Nyle | dante_2core, let it go |
| 16:06.37 | stew | torroell1: what do you mean by "resoution problem"? you must not mean screen resolution, since the screen is already at the right resolution |
| 16:06.37 | dante_2core | torroell1, you don't get the point, we're trying to narrow down the problem here, and if you insist on the problem being a resolution thing we won't be able to resolve it. |
| 16:06.40 | torroell1 | Nyle: no |
| 16:06.55 | Bushmills | torroell, when you enter your login name at ehe display manager prompt (i assume you are using one), does the resolution change then? or does it remain the same? |
| 16:07.02 | jelly | dpkg: listvalues /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 16:07.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of '/proc/sys/vm/block_dump' by value returned no results. |
| 16:07.11 | jelly | dpkg, you suck |
| 16:07.11 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 16:07.14 | torroell1 | Bushmills: no, is the same a small one |
| 16:07.21 | stew | torroell1: perhaps try running "gnome-control-center", then to "screen resolution", switch it to some other resoultion, then switch it back to 1280x800 and then logout, and log back in |
| 16:07.25 | Nyle | stew, gnome config does not recognize that he is using 1280x800 in Xorg. His gnome is stuck at 1024x768 somehow |
| 16:07.27 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, can't help you at this point, I'd say try and get less primary partitions |
| 16:07.44 | torroell1 | stew: if I do that, the screen gets black and I need to do a manual reboot |
| 16:07.45 | Nyle | stew, he said that 1280x800 isn't listed by gnome |
| 16:07.51 | Bushmills | torroell1: so your login prompt starts with a wrong resolution already? |
| 16:07.53 | stew | torroell1: why do you have to reboot? |
| 16:07.56 | Nyle | so it is listed? |
| 16:07.56 | jelly | iateadonut: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump", then look at your logs/dmesg for processes accessing/writing to your device that gets filled up |
| 16:07.57 | torroell1 | Bushmills: yes |
| 16:07.59 | Nyle | amekupyour mind |
| 16:07.59 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: By deleting one, can I obtain them in order? |
| 16:08.07 | torroell1 | stew: because all gets black |
| 16:08.18 | jelly | iateadonut: remember to "echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" afterwards |
| 16:08.23 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: I could delete the linux swap partition.... |
| 16:08.27 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, what are your options? if you have too many primary partitions, you need to move some to logical ones |
| 16:08.34 | dante_2core | don't you have any data-partitions? |
| 16:08.40 | dante_2core | you could backup their data and make them logical |
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| 16:08.50 | MacGyverNL | Stupid question, but can I do "sudo make && make install |
| 16:08.50 | MacGyverNL | " or does it have to be "sudo make && sudo make install" |
| 16:08.57 | Bushmills | torroell1: i'd try to stop display manager (and X), and from a console, i'd run startx /usr/bin/xterm, and look what resolution X runs in then |
| 16:09.01 | MacGyverNL | (Excuse the extra \n. |
| 16:09.05 | stew | torroell1: you can change resoultions without rebooting by going to a text console (with, for instance, Ctrl-Meta-F1), then changing resoultion with "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1280x800" |
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| 16:09.43 | torroell1 | stew: what is meta? |
| 16:09.48 | stew | torroell1: the reason that things are going black is probably that you are choosing a resoultion your monitor cannot display, perhaps if you try a different resoultion it won't go black |
| 16:09.53 | dante_2core | MacGyverNL, second one, but I guess you need to configure sudo to allow that anyway |
| 16:09.55 | Nyle | usually alt |
| 16:10.00 | Bushmills | if resolution is still not the one you want, it is not a gnome problem. if it is, you need to keep gnome from switching resolutions |
| 16:10.06 | Nyle | torroell1, usually alt key |
| 16:10.15 | stew | torroell1: a modifier key like control or shift. it is normally mapped to the alt key on most keyboards |
| 16:10.15 | Bushmills | or, gdm (probably) |
| 16:10.23 | MacGyverNL | dante_2core: Configure sudo to allow it? |
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| 16:10.44 | torroell1 | stew: Could not open location 'file:///DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1280x800' |
| 16:10.49 | MacGyverNL | I've already configured sudo to allow me to sudo, if that's what you mean. |
| 16:11.06 | stew | torroell1: what gave you that error? |
| 16:11.23 | stew | Bushmills: his x server is running at the reslution that he wants, as verified by Xorg.0.log, his screenshots, and xrandr |
| 16:11.24 | torroell1 | stew: pressing the alt thingy with f2, the run application writing the command you gave me |
| 16:11.33 | stew | Bushmills: its a problem with how much of the screen gnome wants to use |
| 16:11.36 | dante_2core | MacGyverNL, I don't know how your configuration is, but if the single commands work (sudo make and the other one), then sudoing them both will work too, but if you use a &&, you need to sudo the next thing again |
| 16:12.12 | Bushmills | stew: according him, the resolution is too low already in the display manager login |
| 16:12.22 | stew | Bushmills: he's wrong |
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| 16:12.38 | torroell1 | Bushmills: did you see the image? |
| 16:12.39 | Bushmills | stew: that's why i suggested that course, to be sure |
| 16:12.46 | stew | torroell1: i'm saying, if the screen goes black, you can change the resolution back with the above command by typing that into a text console. you can get to a text console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 or Ctrl-Alt-F2... |
| 16:12.47 | Bushmills | torroell1: no |
| 16:12.49 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:12.52 | torroell1 | Bushmills: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6492/screenshotxn0.png |
| 16:12.55 | Nyle | this is whack. |
| 16:13.07 | torroell1 | stew: ah |
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| 16:13.24 | stew | Bushmills: note the resolution of the above screenshot. he has also shown us /var/log/Xorg.0.log that shows that it starts in 1280x800 when gdm starts |
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| 16:13.53 | Bushmills | torroell1: create a new user, log in as that user. look whether the problem is the same there |
| 16:14.03 | torroell1 | Bushmills: I did, same probem |
| 16:14.05 | torroell1 | problem* |
| 16:14.09 | stew | Bushmills: the above screenshot is the result of what you just suggested |
| 16:14.11 | cahoot | stew: is he using etch? |
| 16:14.25 | torroell1 | no, testing |
| 16:14.36 | MacGyverNL | dante_2core: Yeah, it works. |
| 16:14.40 | MacGyverNL | Thanks. |
| 16:14.42 | Bushmills | ah |
| 16:14.43 | dante_2core | MacGyverNL, no problem |
| 16:15.03 | dante_2core | MacGyverNL, you see, "&&" means "execute both independently at the same time" |
| 16:15.19 | Bushmills | the backdrop seems fine :) |
| 16:15.34 | Nyle | hey hang on |
| 16:15.36 | MacGyverNL | Doesn't it mean "execute the second after the first succeeds"? |
| 16:15.44 | Nyle | DID he try to login to gnome as a completely NEW user yet? |
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| 16:15.54 | DeadFishMan | I think he did |
| 16:16.00 | nvz | MacGyverNL: yes, you are right, he's on crack |
| 16:16.01 | dante_2core | MacGyverNL, now, that's another one |
| 16:16.01 | Nyle | the screenshot he has been pasting over and over seems to indicate that it is his old account |
| 16:16.03 | DeadFishMan | Apparently he is getting the same behaviour |
| 16:16.05 | dtatulea_ | dante_2core: Okay, I did it: removed the swap partition and did a gptsync, and it all went well. |
| 16:16.11 | torroell1 | Nyle: i did |
| 16:16.11 | dtatulea_ | Thanks |
| 16:16.13 | dtatulea_ | !!! |
| 16:16.13 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 16:16.15 | dante_2core | nvz, woot |
| 16:16.25 | dante_2core | dtatulea_, good |
| 16:16.38 | DeadFishMan | His gnome seems to be f*cked up somehow |
| 16:16.39 | nvz | dante_2core: no, you are wrong, he is right. one & backgrounds the first and executes them simultaneously. two means only if the first succeeds |
| 16:16.56 | dante_2core | nvz, ok, thanks then for teaching me that ^^ - and sorry to MacGyverNL |
| 16:17.12 | Nyle | nvz, speaking of backgrounds http://picpaste.com/debian_bg_with_logo_2.jpg |
| 16:17.25 | Nyle | I am proud of mywork |
| 16:17.46 | MacGyverNL | dante_2core: It's okay, I looked that part up. Just wasn't sure about the sudo part. |
| 16:17.51 | torroell1 | :| nobody? stew Bushmills ? |
| 16:18.00 | dante_2core | MacGyverNL, ^^ |
| 16:18.01 | nvz | Nyle: I like that, though I still say doing some real light math formulas all over it would be cool |
| 16:18.15 | dante_2core | Nyle, darn nice page, finally got something to post images bigger than 3m |
| 16:18.20 | nvz | Nyle: by light I mean feathered so you can hardly see them |
| 16:18.23 | extor | wonders if a 4.4 gig Knoppix DVD can be shrunk to fit on a 4 gig stick |
| 16:18.57 | nvz | Nyle: the sunburst and swirl makes me think of the movie Pi |
| 16:19.05 | Nyle | nvz, no clue how to do it... just following simple gimp tutorials and trying to learn diff things, looking up definitions and techniques and other photo stuff |
| 16:19.14 | dante_2core | afk· |
| 16:19.14 | Nyle | I might actually take come classes on graphic design |
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| 16:20.04 | Bushmills | torroell1: if that screenshot is from a newly created user, how come that gnome has been customized? |
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| 16:20.20 | Nyle | Bushmills, thats what I have been asking... |
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| 16:20.29 | Bushmills | i'd think that new .. oh. you did. |
| 16:20.35 | torroell1 | Bushmills: is not from a new user, but I created a new user login and log in, and is the same thing. |
| 16:20.36 | sint | hey, i want to create a backup of my / partition. whats the best way to do this? tar? |
| 16:20.43 | Bushmills | i must be suffering from some sort of attention deficit |
| 16:20.50 | nvz | Nyle: thats cool. its all in layers and endless experimentation |
| 16:20.56 | Nyle | yup |
| 16:21.02 | Nyle | layers kick ass |
| 16:21.09 | themill | torroell1: how is that the same thing? |
| 16:21.18 | torroell1 | themill: same problem. |
| 16:21.27 | nvz | Nyle: you can't really teach that sort of thing in my opinion its all about accidents and creativity.. knowing what you are doing is more of a setback than anything else |
| 16:22.06 | Nyle | nvz, but learning how ditigal photography works is always helpful |
| 16:22.34 | tyler | hey, i installed xfce on a minimal netinstall of debian, how might i configure X to use it, and do it on boot? |
| 16:22.37 | Nyle | its just, the more you understand something, the better use you can get out of it |
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| 16:22.47 | tyler | the purpose of this was to stay as minimal/base as possible but have a window manager |
| 16:22.48 | Nyle | tyler, install xorg gdm |
| 16:22.52 | tyler | oh rofl |
| 16:22.56 | tyler | forgot that ;S |
| 16:22.57 | torroell1 | here is my xorg.conf http://www.sadasd.pastebin.com/m380b78f4, question if there is set a 1280x800 why can't I select it on the resolution settings? |
| 16:23.29 | justin | tyler: you'd probably want xdm and not gdm if you are trying to keep things minimal |
| 16:23.42 | Nyle | torroell1, stew told you to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yesterday to generate a minimal xorg file. |
| 16:23.46 | torroell1 | and a 640x480 appears and is not set on the xorg.conf! |
| 16:23.46 | nvz | sint: sounds good to me |
| 16:23.47 | Nyle | torroell1, why don't you listen? |
| 16:23.48 | Bushmills | torroell1: don't bother with gnome resolution setting. if resolution is right to start with, you don't need to change it. |
| 16:23.50 | tyler | justin: alrighty |
| 16:24.06 | torroell1 | Bushmills: is not right it doesn't fill all my monitor |
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| 16:24.18 | Nyle | justin, good point |
| 16:24.22 | sint | nvz: ok then, i will try to do it with tar :) |
| 16:24.25 | nvz | torroell1: the answer is in your log not your config |
| 16:24.29 | tyler | okay, installed xdm |
| 16:24.30 | Bushmills | torroell1: that's something else, not resolution. was it wrong resolution, it would fill your monitor. |
| 16:24.30 | Nyle | I was just thinking gtk2 in general |
| 16:24.32 | tyler | rebooting |
| 16:24.36 | justin | tyler: don't reboot. |
| 16:24.39 | tyler | er |
| 16:24.42 | tyler | too late ;p |
| 16:24.49 | Nyle | tyler, justin maybe windowmaker or xpde? |
| 16:24.59 | torroell1 | nvz: what do you mean? |
| 16:25.01 | Nyle | xpde if you need a windows lookalike for other people |
| 16:25.05 | tyler | nah |
| 16:25.12 | Nyle | or any *box wm |
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| 16:25.18 | nvz | torroell1: the log will tell you why its not using any options listed in the config |
| 16:25.20 | Nyle | xfce isn'treally minimal ;) |
| 16:25.26 | torroell1 | Bushmills: what should I do then? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:25.30 | torroell1 | nvz: what log :s |
| 16:25.35 | tyler | Nyle: yes it is :P |
| 16:25.38 | tyler | compared to GNOME or KDE |
| 16:25.40 | tyler | with a window manager |
| 16:25.53 | tyler | well fluxbox would be ideal for truly minimal |
| 16:25.53 | Nyle | torroell1, yes do that |
| 16:25.56 | tyler | but xfce looks nice :) |
| 16:25.57 | nvz | torroell1: the captains log of the starship enterprise.. you're /var/log/xorg.log duh |
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| 16:26.02 | Bushmills | torroell1: you want X to use the resolution which matches your screen. not your desktop environment. evidently it matches your screen, only gnome disagrees. |
| 16:26.07 | tyler | okay, i installed xdm and rebooted, now what should i do? |
| 16:26.07 | maruz | php5-mysql: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-8+etch10) but 5.2.0-8+etch11 is to be installed |
| 16:26.11 | maruz | hao can fix it? |
| 16:26.23 | justin | maruz: apt-get update? |
| 16:26.23 | tyler | i do see "starting x display manager: xdm" after i rebooted just before the prompt |
| 16:26.37 | maruz | justin: just done, 10x... |
| 16:26.48 | wols | !info php5-common etch |
| 16:26.59 | maruz | !info php5-common etch |
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| 16:27.24 | tyler | what needs to be done/configured next? |
| 16:27.26 | themill | maruz: you have security.debian.org in your sources.list? |
| 16:27.27 | Bushmills | torroell1: in your place, i'd want a reference, to compare against gnome. for example, xfce4. just to demonstrate that the resolution of X is right. |
| 16:27.46 | maruz | themill: let me check |
| 16:27.51 | torroell1 | Bushmills, nvz, Nyle stew http://www.asadsas.pastebin.com/m677444f1 |
| 16:28.02 | maruz | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:28.05 | maruz | only this |
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| 16:28.17 | maruz | u suggest ti add security, i suppose |
| 16:28.22 | epoxy|w3rk | anyone know of a guide to use Debian as a diskless workstation? I can't seem to find any thing that doesnt require a disk being installed on the client for netboot.. |
| 16:28.30 | justin | maruz: you must have used to have it, otherwise your system woulnd't know about 5.2.0-8+etch11 |
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| 16:28.41 | themill | maruz: you should have a line that says: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free and while you're at it, change "stable" to "etch" |
| 16:28.43 | DawnLight | epoxy|w3rk: something has got to have a disk |
| 16:29.07 | DawnLight | epoxy|w3rk: try the ltsp project |
| 16:29.16 | Nyle | !diskless |
| 16:29.17 | dpkg | i heard lessdisks is a debian package for creating diskless (x)terminals |
| 16:29.25 | DawnLight | !ltsp |
| 16:29.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org, or http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP, or #ltsp on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:29.56 | nvz | torroell1: lines 739 and 743 say that you do in fact have two modeselines for 1280x800 |
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| 16:30.09 | nvz | modelines even |
| 16:30.13 | Nyle | just freakin xrandr man |
| 16:30.14 | epoxy|w3rk | DawnLight, need it to load in a ramdisk. we have an older setup using knoppix this way just fine. |
| 16:30.19 | Nyle | he IS using 1280x800 |
| 16:30.23 | torroell1 | nvz: then :S ? |
| 16:30.25 | Nyle | why still stuckon this/ |
| 16:30.26 | MacGyverNL | If a make returns with http://rafb.net/p/Ytwby527.html, does that mean I'm missing the X11 development files? If so, which package contains them? |
| 16:30.28 | Nyle | wtf |
| 16:30.46 | nvz | actually its one modeline I'm not sure why its printed twice |
| 16:30.48 | MacGyverNL | libx11-dev? |
| 16:30.51 | themill | Nyle: apt-file is your friend, search for X11/X.h |
| 16:30.57 | nvz | thats the only mode you have in fact |
| 16:30.58 | Nyle | libx11-dev |
| 16:31.04 | Bushmills | torroell1: try: xeyes -geometry 1280x800 |
| 16:31.09 | Nyle | themill, ? |
| 16:31.15 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 16:31.17 | MacGyverNL | themill: Ah, thanks. Will do that next time. |
| 16:31.17 | Nyle | misfire eh |
| 16:31.19 | torroell1 | Modeline "1280x800" 87.09 1280 1336 1616 1728 800 802 814 840 #60Hz , would work I see it in a xorg.conf example using my same monitor |
| 16:31.19 | DawnLight | epoxy|w3rk: what is the purpose of this? |
| 16:31.20 | SparFux | doing heavy stability testing on his debian. |
| 16:31.28 | Bushmills | if it shows the eyes completely within your screen, your resolution is really 1280x800 |
| 16:31.39 | torroell1 | Bushmills: !!! |
| 16:31.45 | torroell1 | that used all my screen!! |
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| 16:32.04 | torroell1 | Bushmills: that's what I want, how can I do it with the whole gnome |
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| 16:32.31 | Bushmills | torroell1: can we use that xeyes thing as a proof that your resolution is set correctly? |
| 16:32.34 | epoxy|w3rk | DawnLight, we have lots of workstations that run a browser app with a few serial/parallel devices used for printing, etc. The brower gets/puts info from a database located elsewhere |
| 16:32.51 | torroell1 | Bushmills: I guess so, look |
| 16:33.04 | epoxy|w3rk | DawnLight, we cant pipe an X session due to all the workstations needing their own devices.. that woul dbe so much easier |
| 16:33.23 | epoxy|w3rk | just looking to update the old PITA to work with knoppix image |
| 16:33.35 | Nyle | pita? |
| 16:33.39 | Nyle | !pita |
| 16:33.39 | dpkg | well, pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 16:33.48 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:33.52 | Nyle | pain in the ass |
| 16:33.54 | Nyle | hahaha |
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| 16:33.59 | DawnLight | epoxy|w3rk: perhaps you can install an ltsp on a server. ltsp has options for local printers (printers on the clients) |
| 16:34.05 | epoxy|w3rk | hands nyle a sticky note |
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| 16:34.18 | nvz | torroell1: well the log shows xorg getting EDID info from the monitor and configuring it at 49kHz |
| 16:34.19 | torroell1 | Bushmills: http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4632/eyeshm4.png |
| 16:34.29 | torroell1 | nvz: is that good? |
| 16:34.44 | epoxy|w3rk | DawnLight, alrighty..i'll look at that. that is how it is being booted currently i do believe. i'm finding out things as i go along |
| 16:34.49 | Nyle | I thougth people meant 'its a pita' meaning its easy like piece of cake, but people like pita so. |
| 16:34.59 | Nyle | noidea itwas an acronym |
| 16:35.15 | DawnLight | epoxy|w3rk: #ltsp folks are helpful |
| 16:35.27 | ameyer | In this case, "pita" == "pain in the (semi-obscene word for donkey)" |
| 16:35.29 | epoxy|w3rk | awesome..thanks much! |
| 16:35.34 | Bushmills | torroell1: right, now that you see that the resolution is really 1280x800, we can just forget the "resolution" issue .. because that's not the problem, right? |
| 16:35.41 | nvz | torroell1: you tell me, what does xdpyinfo say your screen is set as? |
| 16:35.46 | epoxy|w3rk | all this pita talk..time to go get one :D |
| 16:35.55 | magyar_ | hi, looking for help on imap auth from a windows AD system to a etch imap server using winbind |
| 16:36.14 | torroell1 | Bushmills: right! |
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| 16:36.36 | Nyle | about time |
| 16:36.39 | Nyle | whew! |
| 16:36.44 | Nyle | Bushmills is the man. |
| 16:36.44 | Bushmills | torroell1: the problem is instead, that gnome doesn't want to use the resolution your screen offers. |
| 16:37.02 | torroell1 | Bushmills, nvz maybe a cultural info, when I used ubuntu had the same problem, but on http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5526/screenshotna0.png (screen resolution settings) above appeared to small squares(on this image just one) if i fit one over the other one, all was fixed. |
| 16:37.23 | nvz | its not gnome its probably the fact that megashitty (metacity) is only allowing apps to fit within the panels when managed by the wm |
| 16:37.26 | Nyle | cultural? |
| 16:37.32 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:37.38 | nvz | one of the many reasons I use sawfish.. total control |
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| 16:37.39 | masus | Nyle: "Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting." Please help me ;( |
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| 16:37.49 | Nyle | why are you asking me/ |
| 16:37.59 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | cuz Nyle is the FF fixing god |
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| 16:38.02 | masus | because i know you have the answer :) |
| 16:38.13 | Nyle | I do not. |
| 16:38.13 | torroell1 | nvz: http://www.asasa.pastebin.com/m3314cc33 |
| 16:38.17 | torroell1 | Bushmills: http://www.asasa.pastebin.com/m3314cc33 |
| 16:38.20 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Nyle: or he's forcing you to find the answer for him |
| 16:38.36 | torroell1 | nvz: should I uninstall megashitty ? |
| 16:38.36 | masus | :| i dont believe |
| 16:38.47 | NoxIn | the answer is 42 anyway |
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| 16:39.00 | Nyle | I thought it was 46 and two. |
| 16:39.15 | nvz | torroell1: well thats your preference.. if you want the full 800px you need to overlap or remove your panels cause they are probably taking up 64px or so each |
| 16:39.22 | Nyle | ... 46 and two... just a head of |
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| 16:39.29 | Nyle | ahead* |
| 16:39.35 | torroell1 | nvz: i didn't get you |
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| 16:39.42 | Autobox | help? created a new user, when i changed his res, logged back in, screen is borked and comp freezes. ONLY on that user, and ONLY when i change the res. i have deleted user and recreated new ones to test this asnd it happens everytime on a new user... what gives? (its sorta an old comp) |
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| 16:39.48 | nvz | torroell1: any wm would do the same. but sawfish would allow you to ignore the window and strech it to fit the whole screen |
| 16:39.53 | Nyle | i loved how this one dude in a british accent just yells out FOURTY TWO!!!??? |
| 16:39.55 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:39.59 | torroell1 | the problem is metacity? |
| 16:40.05 | Nyle | that was a great movie |
| 16:41.00 | torroell1 | nvz: good! let's do it, what should I do first, apt-get remove metacity ? |
| 16:41.00 | Bushmills | Nyle: seen the videos (much older than the movie)? |
| 16:41.00 | Nyle | nah |
| 16:41.00 | Nyle | I'm still a youngin' |
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| 16:41.00 | nvz | torroell1: the problem is that the wm is only allowing windows to be as large as the space between the panels, the whole screen is 1280x800 but the size between the panels is only like 1280x658 or something |
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| 16:41.20 | torroell1 | nvz: I see, how can I disable that? |
| 16:41.50 | torroell1 | nvz: maybe is not that, let me send you a new pic |
| 16:43.06 | jelly | nvz: uh, even this crappy default xfce wm has a fullscreen maximize shortcut |
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| 16:43.16 | torroell1 | nvz: http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2456/barrr5.png |
| 16:43.25 | torroell1 | that's what happend if i want to move the panel to the right |
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| 16:45.12 | torroell1 | nvz: see? |
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| 16:47.08 | torroell1 | OMFG |
| 16:47.09 | torroell1 | :< |
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| 16:47.37 | masus | hi all , have download ff3 and get an error if i tyipe ./firefox "cannot find mozilla runtime directory". Can Anybody help ? i use debian etch. have googled but nothing found :( |
| 16:48.15 | Nyle | masus, etch does not contain gtk 2.10 which is required by ff3 |
| 16:48.23 | Nyle | masus, etch only contains 2.8 |
| 16:48.28 | Nyle | !ff3 |
| 16:48.28 | dpkg | well, ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 16:48.35 | Nyle | !firefox 3 etch |
| 16:48.36 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 16:48.41 | masus | yes i have read this |
| 16:48.49 | masus | but my message is different |
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| 16:48.57 | Nyle | thas all I konw. |
| 16:49.07 | wols | masus: why don't you use debian packages? |
| 16:49.07 | Nyle | I dunno nothin. |
| 16:49.24 | masus | wols: yes i will where i can find it ? |
| 16:49.36 | hoxu | wols, firefox 3.0 for etch? Packaged? Where? :) |
| 16:49.37 | wols | masus: READ the factoids |
| 16:49.55 | torroell1 | brb rebooting |
| 16:50.21 | masus | wols: hoxu's question is same from me |
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| 16:50.43 | torroella | I uninstalled metacity and same error :< |
| 16:50.46 | torroella | same problem * |
| 16:50.56 | wols | it's not available for etch. and you don't use debian software. ask mozilla about this error |
| 16:51.22 | masus | i use debian ??? |
| 16:51.26 | wols | btw: if you don't have gtk problems it's not exactly etch |
| 16:51.34 | masus | it's etch |
| 16:51.41 | wols | masus: your error isn't by any debian software, is it? |
| 16:51.56 | masus | yes you are right but what i have is exactly debian etch |
| 16:52.08 | masus | how i can show you ? |
| 16:52.22 | cahoot | torroella: just curious - what graphic card? |
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| 16:53.00 | hoxu | wols, think that's uncalled for |
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| 16:53.17 | nvz | oh let me count the ways I love windows vista... 1... no wait.. there are none |
| 16:53.18 | torroella | cahoot: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 |
| 16:53.26 | hoxu | masus, see the <firefox 3 etch> factoid, there's no other way I know of, those articles contain some steps how you can get firefox 3 in etch |
| 16:53.36 | torroella | nvz: done I uninstalled metacity and installed sawfish, same problem after log out |
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| 16:53.53 | Misterjo1 | why didn't they just call it windows 2008? |
| 16:54.16 | masus | ok thanks but i like debian and use it |
| 16:54.24 | masus | debian etch ...... |
| 16:54.25 | hoxu | masus, if it's a desktop, you could also consider using lenny/testing |
| 16:54.39 | masus | i dont want to use testing version |
| 16:54.43 | Misterjo1 | i agree, debian stable rocks |
| 16:54.45 | masus | i like etch |
| 16:54.53 | cahoot | torroella: try this, I had the same problem initially with that card, had to set Ignore for "TV": http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 16:54.55 | nvz | torroella1: yes I know, windows managed by any wm will only grow as large as the panels will allow room for when told to maximize, you have to manually make them larger |
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| 16:55.18 | hoxu | masus, then read the articles, there's some advice on how you can install a newer gtk+ without screwing up the system |
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| 16:55.21 | torroella | nvz: yes, but I can't expand the panel |
| 16:55.25 | torroella | still |
| 16:55.27 | nvz | torroella1: sawfish allows "matched windows" you can program it to open certain things at a fixed size and such |
| 16:55.42 | masus | but i get another error first i have to fix this ? |
| 16:56.15 | torroella | cahoot: let's try, what should I Do? |
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| 16:56.28 | cahoot | read the info at the url? |
| 16:57.38 | twobitwork | what program do you all use to read PDF docs? |
| 16:57.49 | twobitwork | iceweasel used to know, but it doesn't seem to anymore |
| 16:57.58 | themill | twobitwork: kpdf |
| 16:58.10 | twobitwork | themill: what about for gnome? |
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| 16:58.36 | masus | wols: do you want ssh access so you can see it ? |
| 16:58.36 | themill | dpkg: tell twobitwork about pdf |
| 16:58.38 | wimpies | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.48 | torroella | cahoot: uhm |
| 16:58.51 | hoxu | !tell twobitwork about search |
| 16:59.10 | torroella | that's the problem, cahoot is the same hting used on ubuntu to fit both screns !! |
| 16:59.17 | torroella | cahoot: let me try to understadn it |
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| 17:00.09 | torroella | cahoot: should I start using xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output VGA --auto --same-as LVDS |
| 17:00.12 | torroella | ? |
| 17:00.17 | _stack | how do I check if my soundcart support hardware mixing? |
| 17:00.28 | _stack | *soundcard |
| 17:00.38 | cahoot | see the line with #add this option if your laptop has a TV connector ... ? |
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| 17:01.09 | cahoot | err - see the line with #add this option if your laptop does not have a TV connector ... ? |
| 17:01.22 | valdyn | _stack: you get volume sliders for each hardware channel, and you can select those additional channels as output |
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| 17:01.45 | valdyn | _stack: though output selection works autmagically too |
| 17:01.59 | robyonrails | is possible in debian releving the Wireless USB Adapter and connecting to internet or I have to get mad ? |
| 17:02.16 | cahoot | yes and possibly no |
| 17:02.31 | robyonrails | mmmh why such an answer? |
| 17:02.40 | valdyn | robyonrails: i think you have to get mad |
| 17:02.43 | valdyn | robyonrails: in any case |
| 17:03.01 | robyonrails | I understand, it's science fiction |
| 17:03.05 | valdyn | ( or *become* mad ) |
| 17:03.33 | valdyn | robyonrails: what'S "releving" in english? |
| 17:03.51 | _stack | valdyn: and without see in the mixer? |
| 17:04.02 | valdyn | _stack: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 17:04.05 | robyonrails | mmmh detect |
| 17:04.19 | cahoot | reveal? |
| 17:04.20 | _stack | valdyn: ok thanks |
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| 17:05.09 | valdyn | im not sure theres actually any modern soundcard that does hardware mixing |
| 17:05.13 | valdyn | probably some highend stuff |
| 17:05.21 | valdyn | via82xx did it |
| 17:05.30 | cahoot | audigy? |
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| 17:07.14 | valdyn | robyonrails: detecting isnt the issue, having a driver for it is |
| 17:07.34 | valdyn | robyonrails: we can hardly know if theres a driver if all we know is that its a usb device |
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| 17:09.12 | robyonrails | I understand |
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| 17:10.21 | JoshH | is there anything like base-config anymore? i create new xen slice installs with debootstrap, and used that to get the basics setup, doing it manually now is a pita |
| 17:10.35 | Eulex | !base-config |
| 17:10.35 | dpkg | base-config is probably something to run to configure your base install and is obsolete in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status and see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 for manual setup instructions |
| 17:10.51 | abrotman | JoshH: doing what part of it ? |
| 17:11.12 | JoshH | fstab, apt sources, network, users, hostname, etc |
| 17:11.36 | JoshH | timezone |
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| 17:12.55 | waspius | anyone know any good program for making videos...and a program for creating videos through the desktop i.e how to write a script etc |
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| 17:13.37 | torroella | Who helped me, who told me about the tv thing? |
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| 17:14.47 | cahoot | torroella: I take responsibilty for that |
| 17:15.18 | torroella | cahoot: and you take the resposibility of my happiness!! |
| 17:15.30 | torroella | thank you so much, finally, was solved!!! just adding the #add if not.. shalalala |
| 17:15.40 | torroella | cahoot: thank you so much, man. |
| 17:15.51 | cahoot | np |
| 17:15.59 | torroella | wow, awesome. |
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| 17:16.37 | torroella | you did so good :p |
| 17:16.54 | torroella | Nyle: finally! stew, Bushmills , cahoot solved it |
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| 17:17.24 | Nyle | awesome :) |
| 17:17.34 | waspius | anyone |
| 17:17.34 | torroella | I know! |
| 17:17.39 | themill | Nyle, stew, Bushmills, cahoot: it's safe to come back now.... |
| 17:17.46 | Nyle | themill, hahaha |
| 17:17.46 | Spida | JoshH: there is xen-create-image |
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| 17:18.08 | Spida | (or something very similar) |
| 17:18.44 | torroella | haha |
| 17:18.48 | cahoot | themill: being ironic ? ;) |
| 17:19.32 | themill | cahoot: heh..... |
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| 17:23.27 | ViVaa | wheres the best tutorial about how to install fglrx on etch? |
| 17:24.06 | rahul | man aptitude |
| 17:24.27 | rahul | and man modass or whatever the command is called |
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| 17:27.19 | ViVaa | fglrx install tutorial for etch? |
| 17:29.14 | themill | dpkg: tell ViVaa about fglrx |
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| 17:29.48 | ViVaa | !fglrx |
| 17:29.49 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary See also <radeon>. |
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| 17:31.18 | saftsack | ooooh the buggy fglrx :) |
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| 17:31.35 | ViVaa | i tried radeon |
| 17:31.39 | ViVaa | now that was buggy |
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| 17:36.12 | SeveredCross | The new radeon is much better. |
| 17:36.24 | ViVaa | i don't know anything about that |
| 17:36.32 | ViVaa | i wonder how do i remove "radeon" |
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| 17:37.49 | wols | ViVaa: what videocard do you have? |
| 17:38.18 | justin | ViVaa: you don't need to remove it, just don't use it |
| 17:38.42 | vsd | how can i disable root account? |
| 17:38.55 | justin | vsd: disable as in what? |
| 17:39.05 | vsd | justin, not able to login |
| 17:39.09 | justin | vsd: to? |
| 17:39.21 | ViVaa | wols: the R350 series |
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| 17:39.34 | wols | that works with radeon |
| 17:39.38 | Eulex | ViVaa, just use another driver through your xorg.conf? |
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| 17:40.17 | ViVaa | wols: it didn't |
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| 17:40.17 | ViVaa | my game didn't wanna work with radeon |
| 17:40.21 | wols | vsd: in your /etc/shadow set the second field for root to ! |
| 17:40.23 | ViVaa | i suspected its because of the crappy 3D stuff in radeon driver |
| 17:40.34 | wols | ViVaa: it's because you didn't enable 3D properly |
| 17:40.43 | ViVaa | wols: what do you mean? |
| 17:40.57 | ViVaa | the game worked but it lagged when certain effect was being done |
| 17:40.58 | Eulex | ViVaa, I suspect it is because of the crappy linux support amd has had before until half a year ago. |
| 17:41.05 | masus | hoxu: i have do these steps to install gtk+ 2.12 but at the last line i get one error can u take a look please -> http://rafb.net/p/FqJAul53.html |
| 17:41.08 | wols | ViVaa: I mean you used software 3D |
| 17:41.18 | DawnLight | i've deleted my wine entry in my kde menu and now i don't have it. how can i get it back? |
| 17:41.27 | ViVaa | i don't know |
| 17:41.30 | vsd | wols, and then i won't be able to do su root? or login root? |
| 17:41.34 | DawnLight | this is wine from the winehq repos |
| 17:41.41 | Honeyput | DawnLight: reinstall wine ? |
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| 17:42.02 | Honeyput | Cool, newlings! |
| 17:42.02 | maligor | Honeyput, heh, how would that help |
| 17:42.05 | DawnLight | Honeyput: ahm... i'll try |
| 17:42.14 | Honeyput | itll reinstall the desktop file |
| 17:42.16 | Eulex | ViVaa, you do not want to 'remove' it. you want to use another driver. the only one that could possibly have better support would be fglrx |
| 17:42.16 | wols | vsd: yes. cause there is no valid password for root anymore. before you do this, make sure sudo works properly |
| 17:42.29 | maligor | Honeyput, well, yes, it'll reinstall the system wide desktop file |
| 17:42.30 | hoxu | masus, undefined symbol reeks of wrong library versions being linked |
| 17:42.34 | Eulex | Honeyput, I'd suspect the .desktop files are marked as config files... |
| 17:42.36 | DawnLight | Honeyput: its a desktop file? thought it is a menu |
| 17:42.37 | maligor | Honeyput, how do you guess the user has deleted that? |
| 17:42.56 | Eulex | DawnLight, .desktop, as in the file format. |
| 17:43.00 | Honeyput | DawnLight: everything is a file except while in transit |
| 17:43.08 | masus | hoxu: i have amd64 |
| 17:43.19 | DawnLight | Honeyput: a line of text is a file? |
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| 17:43.23 | maligor | yes, and while it's in transit, it only exists in /dev/null |
| 17:43.33 | Eulex | DawnLight, http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ |
| 17:43.44 | masus | hoxu: i have to try different source packages ? |
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| 17:44.33 | Honeyput | DawnLight: you could also say that everything is a char or a bit or NULL, however when talking about a desktop FILE its a file no ? :) |
| 17:44.54 | hoxu | masus, at least double check that you have all the exports outlined in the article |
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| 17:45.11 | Honeyput | DawnLight: Right or wrong ? |
| 17:45.30 | DawnLight | how is a line of text a file? |
| 17:45.53 | masus | hoxu: ok i'll do again |
| 17:46.09 | Honeyput | DawnLight: "desktop file" sounds like a file... now copy the shared desktop file to your home directory... |
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| 17:46.28 | hoxu | masus, remember to make clean |
| 17:46.54 | Honeyput | its located in /usr/share/applications |
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| 17:47.43 | masus | hoxu: ok ;) |
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| 17:48.06 | Honeyput | Dawnlight: copy it to say ~/Desktop to place it on the desktop :) |
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| 17:49.17 | ViVaa | this ain't hgoin well |
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| 17:50.35 | Honeyput | ViVaa: I bought an intel laptop, OpenGL and stuff just works out of the box |
| 17:50.55 | ViVaa | buy me one too |
| 17:51.01 | Honeyput | Nice to not have some binary-only stuff onboard |
| 17:51.05 | Honeyput | hehe! |
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| 17:51.49 | Honeyput | Im on vacation.. sorta, if you send me your bank... :) ... nah, kidding |
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| 17:53.18 | ViVaa | why do i have to use this retarted m-a |
| 17:53.23 | rwaite | i wish programs never had bugs |
| 17:54.01 | Honeyput | rwaite, just wait.. they wont iaw |
| 17:54.09 | jelly | ViVaa: you don't _have_ to, but doing it the manual way can be more painful in the long run |
| 17:54.31 | ViVaa | atleast you can get some errors |
| 17:55.01 | Honeyput | hah, i noticed that billg felt the new ME sucked today :P |
| 17:55.07 | Honeyput | ie vista |
| 17:55.12 | ViVaa | dpkg -l | grep fglrx |
| 17:55.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep fglrx |
| 17:55.20 | ViVaa | if you do that and there is nothing |
| 17:55.27 | ViVaa | then isn't it completely removed? |
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| 17:56.01 | Honeyput | not installed |
| 17:56.16 | ViVaa | all? |
| 17:57.00 | Honeyput | Oh, t.e.h microsofters are dosing servers today i see |
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| 17:57.48 | rwaite | dosing? sleeping next to them to keep warm? |
| 17:57.54 | rwaite | installing dos on them? |
| 17:58.13 | Honeyput | They like to do that nightly otherwise so the securities will have to haul this one off the cauch |
| 17:58.21 | ViVaa | both radeon and fglrx use the same libGL place |
| 17:58.28 | Honeyput | yes, all the forks and pipes |
| 17:58.32 | Honeyput | rwaite |
| 17:58.37 | ViVaa | they cannot coexist |
| 17:58.57 | ViVaa | another one of them always is broken |
| 17:58.58 | rwaite | Honeyput |
| 17:59.18 | Honeyput | indeed! :) |
| 17:59.22 | Honeyput | ? |
| 17:59.47 | rwaite | ? |
| 17:59.55 | Honeyput | Que Pasa ? |
| 18:00.10 | Honeyput | Was ? |
| 18:00.15 | rwaite | queso pasta? |
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| 18:00.42 | Honeyput | Mmm, good stuff. Plus its non-phattening |
| 18:01.10 | Honeyput | rwaite: keso! :) |
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| 18:01.29 | ChrisW | what's the minimum hardware requirements for a debian server? |
| 18:01.33 | rwaite | keno? |
| 18:01.46 | rwaite | ChrisW: p2 with 16mb ram? |
| 18:01.46 | Honeyput | 150 MHz p2 maybe |
| 18:01.59 | Honeyput | rwaite: Jah, gutt |
| 18:02.02 | ChrisW | okay, lets say I want to run apache and samba on it |
| 18:02.13 | ChrisW | 64mb ram okay? |
| 18:02.19 | rwaite | depends on the client load |
| 18:02.24 | rwaite | but yeah probably |
| 18:02.24 | Honeyput | 200 MHz but with 1 gig ram |
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| 18:02.45 | Honeyput | Depends on how many connections it should serve |
| 18:02.50 | jelly | ChrisW: 128MB will work. 64MB will make the machine swap on installs/upgrades. |
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| 18:03.19 | ChrisW | jelly: as long as it only swaps on install and upgrades that's fine |
| 18:03.19 | Honeyput | Those old boxxen, people throw those rams at ya all the time etc |
| 18:03.23 | justin | runs a bunch of xen vms with 32M of ram and 64M of swap |
| 18:03.29 | jelly | ChrisW: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 18:03.43 | Honeyput | justin: whats xen good for again ? |
| 18:03.47 | ChrisW | a friend of mine has windows nt server something.fuckold running a webapp I wrote for him and I'm losing patience with it doign weird crap |
| 18:03.52 | justin | Honeyput: virtualization |
| 18:03.57 | ChrisW | Honeyput: hanging and making your life a misery? ;-) |
| 18:04.01 | Honeyput | justin: What is that btw ? |
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| 18:04.23 | justin | Honeyput: what is virtualization? |
| 18:04.28 | ViVaa | how do you pipe modprobe errors? |
| 18:04.32 | ViVaa | its in the stderr? |
| 18:04.32 | ChrisW | Honeyput: making one physical machien run several distinct virtual machines |
| 18:04.35 | Honeyput | ChrisW: your box... for how many peoples ? |
| 18:04.46 | ChrisW | Honeyput: 0-10 |
| 18:04.47 | ChrisW | ;-) |
| 18:04.51 | jelly | ChrisW: I've used a 486@100MHz with 64MB as a file server and router, it worked. Upgrades were painful. |
| 18:04.56 | Honeyput | Oh, tiny but fun! |
| 18:04.57 | ChrisW | hehe |
| 18:05.09 | ChrisW | well, I'll see if he's got anyone else available... |
| 18:05.18 | slim1 | any recommendation for a good workflow management system ? |
| 18:05.21 | Honeyput | justin. yes, what would i want it for ? |
| 18:05.40 | justin | Honeyput: virtualizing things |
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| 18:05.56 | Honeyput | justin. i know vmware but dont have a need for it... |
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| 18:06.00 | \bin\tclsh | hello |
| 18:06.24 | Honeyput | justin: yes, but is there any practical usage ? |
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| 18:07.00 | Honeyput | justin: This is the one part i never read up on that much |
| 18:07.33 | ViVaa | damnit |
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| 18:07.45 | ViVaa | i cannot pipe the modprobe error to pastebin |
| 18:07.45 | \bin\tclsh | somebody can help me? http://paste.debian.net/7980/ |
| 18:07.54 | ViVaa | how do you pipe it? |
| 18:08.05 | ViVaa | modprobe fglrx | pastebinit does not work |
| 18:08.12 | ViVaa | it should but it doesnt |
| 18:08.39 | Honeyput | Some people are never virtualized because theyre seemingly braLLin |
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| 18:09.20 | DawnLight | is there a command that can pastebin it's input? |
| 18:09.22 | Honeyput | And those are just wired and unconcentrated installations |
| 18:09.44 | ViVaa | DawnLight: yea |
| 18:09.46 | ViVaa | pastebinit |
| 18:09.52 | ViVaa | but it doesn't work with all the programs |
| 18:09.58 | ViVaa | like for example modprobe |
| 18:10.02 | DawnLight | why not? |
| 18:10.08 | ViVaa | i have no idwea |
| 18:10.23 | DawnLight | makes a wierd face |
| 18:10.38 | ViVaa | i just tried "modprobe fglrx | pastebinit" |
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| 18:10.53 | ViVaa | just echos the modprobe output and pastebinit help |
| 18:11.01 | wols | ViVaa: it's a single line or so after your modprobe. paste it here |
| 18:11.14 | DawnLight | this isn't in etch... |
| 18:11.31 | ViVaa | wols: its like 6 lines |
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| 18:11.36 | Honeyput | So, in light of this ill require a portable ion3cannon with megabit lazers! :) |
| 18:11.47 | wols | modprobe 2> err.log |
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| 18:11.50 | ViVaa | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 18:11.53 | wols | pastebinit err.log |
| 18:11.55 | ViVaa | that being the fatal |
| 18:11.55 | wols | for example |
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| 18:12.09 | wols | you need to be root to use modprobe, duh! |
| 18:12.18 | ViVaa | well i am root |
| 18:12.30 | Honeyput | justin: Have you tried 3g cdma ? |
| 18:12.32 | wols | is the radeon module still loaded? |
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| 18:12.40 | ViVaa | wols: yea |
| 18:12.45 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 18:13.09 | Honeyput | wols. easy now, easy :) |
| 18:13.09 | ViVaa | well i don't exactly know how to unload it |
| 18:13.21 | wols | ViVaa: modprobe -r |
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| 18:14.45 | Honeyput | justin: its like aquireing pure X-wing powers with c3pooOh on top :) |
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| 18:15.51 | Pio | i set up my interfaces file with a bridged eth0 (br0) for use with kvm, and an aliased br0 (br0:0) which I bind my bittorrent client to so I can have my router apply different rules to the bittorrent traffic.. for some reason all my outgoing connections use the alias br0:0's IP address for outgoing connections rather than br0's |
| 18:16.10 | Pio | what determines which IP address is used for outgoing connections? is that tunable via interfaces? |
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| 18:16.39 | Pio | when i reconfigure my devices, I can 'trick' it in to going out using br0's IP |
| 18:16.54 | Pio | by just kind of smashing at it with ifconfig/route |
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| 18:17.17 | subsume | Hi room. I'm interested in serving a database from my debian server. I'm trying to plan out a good back-up schedule. I am thinking a cron job that backs it up 5 times daily, and then a daily rsync to another server. sound good? |
| 18:17.18 | Honeyput | Pio: route the interfaces as you normally would.. GW |
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| 18:19.08 | Honeyput | Bussys justin ? |
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| 18:19.50 | Pio | Honeyput, yeah, well, that's what i'm doing, and it ends up using the alias (br0:0) interface even though i say 'dev br0' in the route command |
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| 18:20.25 | Pio | im not sure how the kernel 'picks' which IP to use |
| 18:21.03 | Honeyput | subsume: No! .. you need complete with differential backups every day of the week. |
| 18:21.19 | Pio | hmm looks like the iproute2 tools allow you to explicitly specify a source address |
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| 18:22.21 | Honeyput | subsume: Incase some hd's break its essential. Some people seems to like gadmin-rsync but i dont know what it is or does |
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| 18:22.54 | sputnick_ | hi there |
| 18:22.57 | Pio | but that doesnt help me with interfaces, i'd like to find out how to work with the interfaces file to make it come up properly on boot |
| 18:23.13 | sputnick_ | is someone have experienced logrotate-ng ? |
| 18:23.16 | Pio | i guess theres always post-up |
| 18:23.29 | subsume | Honeyput: I said 5 times daily and rsync |
| 18:23.30 | sputnick_ | it logrotate-ng really ixist ? |
| 18:23.37 | Honeyput | Pio: then you mean rc files .. boot scripts or ? |
| 18:23.39 | sputnick_ | there's only one page on google |
| 18:23.53 | sputnick_ | a blog |
| 18:23.57 | Pio | yeah well im doing all the boot configuration through the debian standard /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:24.17 | Pio | reading man interfaces |
| 18:24.23 | Honeyput | subsume: gadmin-rsync supposedly runs rsync over ssh |
| 18:24.37 | Honeyput | could be worth a shot |
| 18:24.49 | Honeyput | theres also grsync |
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| 18:25.25 | Honeyput | Pio: /etc/rc.d.... |
| 18:25.58 | Pio | i've never used /etc/rc.d on debian.. |
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| 18:26.08 | Pio | you mean /etc/rc[0-9].d? |
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| 18:26.22 | subsume | Honeyput: rsync every day, rihgt? |
| 18:26.42 | Honeyput | those are the scripts that starts your system services. Look for a local or last file. Itll be executed after all the other boot scripts and hopefully/if done rightly by the dist, not fail the system boot |
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| 18:26.53 | Honeyput | Pio^ |
| 18:27.05 | Honeyput | subsume: How many users ? |
| 18:27.10 | Pio | right right, i know about all that |
| 18:27.20 | Honeyput | subsume: You and your family... 3 times a week |
| 18:27.22 | Pio | i'd just rather do it via the built in debian networking infrastructure if possible |
| 18:27.24 | subsume | Honeyput: of my website? |
| 18:27.42 | subsume | Honeyput: the staff of several offices... 75 a day or so |
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| 18:28.34 | Honeyput | subsume: every day, no problem |
| 18:28.41 | Bushmills | subsume: backup mainly against device failure, or data modification? |
| 18:28.48 | Honeyput | subsume: Better safe then sorry right ? |
| 18:28.49 | subsume | Honeyput: device failure, yaeh |
| 18:29.02 | subsume | Honeyput: 5 times daily are for data modification |
| 18:29.06 | subsume | Honeyput: that way we only lose a few hours of data |
| 18:29.58 | Honeyput | The other backup things dont work anyhow because if your computer doesnt boot youll wanna have secondary servers, fully updated and synced to replace it with |
| 18:30.08 | Honeyput | it/them/it |
| 18:30.42 | torroella | hello my gdebi package is failing gets closed after open a .deb, why could be ? |
| 18:30.44 | Honeyput | Uptime counts, even Billg saw it as depicted on slashdot |
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| 18:32.09 | Honeyput | torroella: Thats a bug then, mail the author of the program and im guessing itll be fixed if you can help out a tiddlie bit |
| 18:32.21 | simonrvn | report it to debian bts |
| 18:32.27 | Honeyput | Indeed |
| 18:32.30 | simonrvn | !reportbug |
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| 18:32.30 | dpkg | reportbug is, like, used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting |
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| 18:33.01 | Honeyput | simonrvn: Does anyone look at the bugreports ? |
| 18:33.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:33.33 | Honeyput | simonrvn: I refuse to have another micurb :=) |
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| 18:34.09 | simonrvn | micurb? |
| 18:34.29 | simonrvn | !dict micurb |
| 18:34.31 | dpkg | could not find definition for micurb |
| 18:35.32 | misreckoning | hello everybody |
| 18:35.58 | misreckoning | I have one strange problem |
| 18:36.02 | Honeyput | simonrvn: maybe there should be more prizes for some good efforts and fulltime jobs for the more or less important Linux coders. What do you feel about that ? |
| 18:36.10 | Honeyput | Like EU ? |
| 18:36.18 | misreckoning | so this happens only with lenny |
| 18:36.26 | misreckoning | when I queue something for download |
| 18:37.08 | misreckoning | it takes *all* of my bandwidth and other programs (like chat) don't get any bandwidth, and then after some time all connections except the downloader's are closed |
| 18:37.40 | misreckoning | I really haven't seen this kind of a problem before, but now it happens all the time |
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| 18:39.04 | porncake | anyone know why behavior in 'screen' is different than normal prompt when it comes to linedrawing, mc looks fine in normal console but in screen it shows : ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ instead of a line |
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| 18:41.01 | wathek | hello all I'm trying to configure samba that when a user connects to a share he can add/modify a file but cannot delete a file |
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| 18:41.03 | blahblahx | what would be the gconf command to load the file tomboy.txt (in my working directory) as /apps/panel ? |
| 18:41.09 | wathek | any one could help me please ? |
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| 18:42.50 | simonrvn | Honeyput: not one of my concerns |
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| 18:44.25 | Pio | http://pio.longstair.com/misc/interfaces.txt *shrug* this works, just ugly |
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| 18:46.48 | simonrvn | Honeyput: that is, i don't really think of that sort of thing. |
| 18:47.17 | abrotman | wathek: unix has read/write/execute |
| 18:47.25 | abrotman | !acl |
| 18:47.25 | dpkg | i guess acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
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| 18:47.37 | wathek | abrotman, yes but it's about samba here ! |
| 18:48.25 | abrotman | there is a #samba |
| 18:48.29 | wathek | ok |
| 18:48.31 | wathek | thanx a lot |
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| 18:52.07 | blahblahx | what would be the gconf command to load the file tomboy.txt (in my working directory) as /apps/panel ? |
| 18:52.45 | blahblahx | abrotman: do you have any idea |
| 18:52.58 | abrotman | nope |
| 18:53.41 | simonrvn | blahblahx: it's called a search engine, use one. |
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| 18:54.14 | blahblahx | simonrvn: its called a support channel, where you can get help if you dont get something. |
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| 18:54.17 | howlingmadhowie | hi everybody :) is there a channel for the hppa port of debian? |
| 18:54.28 | blahblahx | simonrvn: i read the manpage, looked at the --help command... |
| 18:54.29 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: try here? |
| 18:54.38 | simonrvn | it's called policy, try everything first |
| 18:54.38 | howlingmadhowie | tarzeau: oh, okay :) |
| 18:54.47 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: i've got one, but haven't used it in a while |
| 18:55.00 | howlingmadhowie | tarzeau: oh really? what have you got? :) |
| 18:55.13 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: 700 apollo |
| 18:55.22 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: really slow, ugly, and heavy |
| 18:55.30 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: i got it for an amiga 500 |
| 18:55.55 | howlingmadhowie | tarzeau: oh. that's a pity. mine is really fast, ugly and heavy :-D (c3750 workstation) |
| 18:56.07 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: but can it run nextstep/openstep? |
| 18:56.25 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: some of the hp pariscs can do so, and THOSE are really nice |
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| 18:56.38 | SeveredCross | NextSTEP! :> |
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| 18:56.49 | tarzeau | SeveredCross: still. the best. |
| 18:56.51 | howlingmadhowie | tarzeau: it would be interesting to find out. though i'm quite happy with debian myself |
| 18:56.58 | keith4 | the last lines of the package info for 'chkconfig' say "In Debian, there are several tools with similar functionality, but users coming from other Linux distributions will find the tools in this package more familiar." What does this refer to? |
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| 18:57.21 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie, SeveredCross: http://gnu.ethz.ch/www.levenez.com/ |
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| 18:58.24 | howlingmadhowie | tarzeau: oops. i haven't got a framebuffer on this machine, so i can't see the pictures :( |
| 18:58.46 | tarzeau | howlingmadhowie: links2 -g can also do pictures with svgalib |
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| 18:59.59 | StucKman | hi all. I have a crontab entry that runs @reboot. how can I test it without rebooting the server? I tried stoping/starting cron, but didn't do anything... is the entry wrong? |
| 19:00.30 | tarzeau | StucKman: you can run the same thing at a specific time then wait for that time |
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| 19:01.00 | StucKman | tarzeau: hmm, good point |
| 19:01.03 | epoxy|w3rk | is ltsp is good on debian (etch) now? I am reading some noted trouble with ltsp5 and debian.. but they are all from early 2007 it seems |
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| 19:01.06 | howlingmadhowie | tarzeau: i'll give it a go, but i don't expect it will work |
| 19:01.15 | tarzeau | epoxy|w3rk: we use it, works great |
| 19:01.42 | tarzeau | any sauerbraten.org players in here? |
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| 19:03.08 | howlingmadhowie | tarzeau: no framebuffer :( |
| 19:04.48 | zamuroff | Is there a command besides dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that allows me to configure xorg? |
| 19:05.17 | jelly | zamuroff: like...? |
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| 19:05.42 | Ergo^ | hello |
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| 19:05.48 | draft | hi ! |
| 19:05.57 | Ergo^ | where in pear installed in debian ? i cant locate it :/ |
| 19:06.16 | jelly | zamuroff: I won't mention the obvious "$EDITOR /etc/X11/xorg.conf". Wait. |
| 19:06.18 | StucKman | Ergo^: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 19:06.49 | Ergo^ | StucKman: thaanks |
| 19:07.12 | howlingmadhowie | Ergo^: is it php-pear? |
| 19:07.16 | Ergo^ | yeah |
| 19:07.32 | Ergo^ | i probalby set somethign wrong cause scripts complain about something missing |
| 19:07.32 | Ergo^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.34 | zamuroff | jelly: besides that, of course... some kind of configure manager like alsaconf, i.e. |
| 19:07.54 | jelly | zamuroff: not really, no |
| 19:08.03 | zamuroff | Oh... |
| 19:08.19 | draft | i have 2 hdds, one with debian installed. On the other, when I installed debian i had datas on it (with reiserfs filesystem type), debian detected it automatically and i could access to my datas on the reiserfs partition. However I installed freeBSD on my second hdd. It has remplaced grub with some stuff on the MBR. Do you know how to restore grub in order to be able to boot on my debian AND on my freebsd system please ? |
| 19:08.44 | zamuroff | Then, is there a way to set the appropiate driver (via, for example) on that configure script? |
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| 19:08.49 | draft | actually i'm booting on debian with a Grub disk |
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| 19:10.02 | draft | any idea please ? |
| 19:10.44 | zamuroff | draft: have you tried chrooting the disk and run grub-install from it? |
| 19:10.58 | zamuroff | Or using gparted live and run grub from it? |
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| 19:11.40 | draft | zamuroff, what does it mean to chroot a disk ? |
| 19:12.03 | jelly | draft: if you're in debian now, you can run grub-install /dev/sda (/dev/hda, whatever's your boot disk) to reinstall grub. I have no idea about booting freebsd after that |
| 19:12.04 | zamuroff | Never mind... try running gparted livecd |
| 19:12.05 | rahul | I guess mount it and then chroot to where it was mounted |
| 19:12.12 | Ergo^ | does anyone know if it is safe to add openbasedir access to /usr/share/php ? |
| 19:12.12 | TiMiDo | hey does anyone here knows an application for djs under Linux? |
| 19:12.14 | howlingmadhowie | draft: you mount the disk, navigate to the root-directory on the disk and enter chroot . |
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| 19:12.35 | tarzeau | does anyone know some good songs to listen while driving a car? |
| 19:12.44 | zamuroff | TiMiDo: Gee... I used one long ago... Can't recall the name right now. |
| 19:12.51 | TiMiDo | zamuroff: nice |
| 19:13.13 | zamuroff | tarzeau: Hmmm... have you tried humming bluegrass songs? |
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| 19:13.15 | draft | ok i'm trying to chroot and grub install |
| 19:13.33 | tarzeau | zamuroff: not yet, no |
| 19:13.39 | tarzeau | zamuroff: got some to try? |
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| 19:14.03 | DaveDorm | hola |
| 19:14.16 | DaveDorm | I am getting an error trying to mount an nfs share |
| 19:14.17 | zamuroff | Hmmm... No really. But I remember this Tex Avery cartoon with a wolf in it... he whistled a song... |
| 19:14.27 | DaveDorm | mount.nfs: internal error |
| 19:14.36 | Honeyput | simonrvn: Consearn is always a good trait but theres a limit to how much heart one can assert to an opposing party.. oh the beer and vacations ;) |
| 19:14.39 | draft | herf however how can i mount the disk ? debian thinks it is a reiserfs filesystem type (and it is not since i totally formatted my disk) furthermore i don't have any idea how to get info on the disk ? |
| 19:14.43 | DaveDorm | it just hangs and times out with that error |
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| 19:16.21 | howlingmadhowie | draft: fdisk -l will tell you something about your disks |
| 19:16.48 | Honeyput | As exciting all the worlds seem i must see them all for better or for worse - Sir Williami defoe auf lederhosen :=) |
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| 19:19.27 | Honeyput | broadslingerT once said "Its phatter to be phat then not, ´fine" :) |
| 19:19.32 | JyZyXEL | wols got the fglrx drivers to work and now my game works perfectly |
| 19:21.40 | draft | howlingmadhowie, http://pastie.org/222836 it's the error when i try to mount the disk, fdisk -l, and my /etc/fstab . As you can see in /etc/fstab, the filesystem type of /dev/hda1 is "ufs" which is correct (it was reiserfs but i modified it of my own) |
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| 19:22.42 | draft | well i should remove the /dev/hda3 line in my /etc/fstab isn't it ? |
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| 19:24.22 | TiMiDo | hey how do you uncompress a file with extension .jar? |
| 19:24.44 | \bin\tclsh | is it a compressed file? |
| 19:24.45 | draft | you can run it : java -jar file.jar |
| 19:24.48 | \bin\tclsh | it is a java |
| 19:24.51 | \bin\tclsh | ahm |
| 19:24.55 | TiMiDo | thnx |
| 19:25.04 | zamuroff | After lspci | grep VGA I get some output, fine... How can I translate the pci address into BusID option into xorg.conf? |
| 19:25.38 | zamuroff | if it is 01:00.0 on lspci, should it be the same on xorg.conf? |
| 19:25.45 | draft | any idea for my mount problem please ? |
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| 19:26.14 | TiMiDo | hey does anyone here knows an application for djs under Linux? |
| 19:26.37 | crweb | zamuroff: yes |
| 19:26.53 | draft | ah ok i got it it : ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write |
| 19:27.06 | crweb | zamuroff: 01:00 but you shouldn't need to specify that unless you have multiple cards |
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| 19:29.28 | Misterjos | tarzeau: no sauerbraten, i play urban terror sometimes, its fun for 15 minutes :) |
| 19:29.38 | zamuroff | crweb: No devices found, it says... whether with the BusID option is there or not. |
| 19:29.41 | Misterjos | and it works great in linux |
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| 19:30.16 | crweb | zamuroff: sure you have the right driver specified? |
| 19:30.27 | \bin\tclsh | what are the best repositories for debian lenny? |
| 19:30.34 | zamuroff | crweb: Vesa would do the trick, ain't it? |
| 19:30.38 | \bin\tclsh | i wont be too much unstable |
| 19:31.17 | crweb | zamuroff: yeah.. very strange though |
| 19:31.18 | cusco | \bin\tclsh: your isp's |
| 19:31.28 | \bin\tclsh | no is not |
| 19:31.31 | \bin\tclsh | its too slow |
| 19:31.43 | \bin\tclsh | es.debian.org is 100kb/s and de.debian.org is 800kb |
| 19:31.52 | \bin\tclsh | but im talking about non-free and things like that |
| 19:31.57 | cusco | and your isp's |
| 19:32.00 | cusco | ? |
| 19:32.03 | cusco | my isp has non-free |
| 19:32.21 | zamuroff | crweb: There's a slight diference now... Screen just goes off... |
| 19:32.32 | \bin\tclsh | im using this deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 19:32.44 | \bin\tclsh | must i add non-free there? |
| 19:32.49 | cusco | yes |
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| 19:32.53 | cusco | main contrib non-free |
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| 19:33.00 | cusco | you mustn't |
| 19:33.05 | cusco | you can if you want |
| 19:33.24 | \bin\tclsh | :) but it could be better than now? |
| 19:33.41 | \bin\tclsh | im quite sad cause i did a clean and good install of debian, and an upgrade crashed compiz :/ |
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| 19:34.04 | cusco | working fine here |
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| 19:34.37 | \bin\tclsh | http://paste.debian.net/7986/ is it ok? |
| 19:35.09 | cusco | looks fine to mee |
| 19:35.15 | ChrisW | arg! friend of mine is a die-hard windows fanatic, finally got him to let me install debian on windows box of his and the debian installer stubbornly refuses to find a network interface despite trying the onboard, and disabling the onboard and trying 3 different nics... any ideas what it could be? :-( |
| 19:35.18 | \bin\tclsh | okay |
| 19:35.33 | \bin\tclsh | :) |
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| 19:35.46 | wols | ChrisW: what network chip? |
| 19:35.49 | wols | on the onboard? |
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| 19:36.17 | ChrisW | the onboard one was a Realtek RTL8139(a) |
| 19:36.44 | wols | ChrisW: you sur? what mobo is it (what chipset)? |
| 19:36.44 | ChrisW | googling for that suggested it was a nightmare so disabeld it in the bios and tried 3 other pci nics |
| 19:37.05 | ChrisW | which work fine in windows, but the debian installer fails to find them |
| 19:37.06 | wols | you are very mistaken,8139 is a shitty nic as nics go but works everywhere |
| 19:37.13 | wols | slap it in and every OS supports it |
| 19:37.20 | themill | 8139cp/8319too have pretty solid linux support |
| 19:37.29 | ChrisW | oh, right, well, that confirms my fear that "something else" is wrong here |
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| 19:37.35 | wols | what mobo? |
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| 19:37.45 | wols | cause the 8139 is a vrey rare onboard NIC |
| 19:37.48 | aixenv | having an issue with not being able to copy/paste from terminal server client, anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:37.51 | ChrisW | since the last pci nic was a 3Com Etherlink XL (3C905C-TX) |
| 19:37.58 | ChrisW | and still nto found |
| 19:38.18 | wols | ChrisW: last time: answer me |
| 19:38.23 | ChrisW | can't see any markings on the mobo to suggest what it is, but it did have a VIA VT8233A chip on it if that helps... |
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| 19:38.41 | wols | athlon then |
| 19:38.48 | ChrisW | got an Award BIOS on it (V6.1) |
| 19:38.56 | wols | what does lspci say? |
| 19:39.21 | ChrisW | W6390VMS V1.4 082102 on boot, if that helps... |
| 19:39.30 | ChrisW | what's lspci? |
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| 19:39.38 | Bushmills | ChrisW: did you actually boot the machine into debian, or run it under some kind of emulation, qemu or vmware or such? |
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| 19:39.51 | \bin\tclsh | can you guys tell me what repository for compiz are currently using? |
| 19:39.52 | \bin\tclsh | lenny |
| 19:40.18 | ChrisW | Bushmills: I used the installer from http://goodbye-microsoft.com/, which lets yuou boot into the debian installer from the windows boot loader |
| 19:40.23 | wols | \bin\tclsh: if ther is no compiz in lenny, you are supposed to backport it yourself |
| 19:40.30 | ChrisW | so I guess it's running a real debian installer... |
| 19:40.36 | \bin\tclsh | it is wols |
| 19:40.41 | \bin\tclsh | i wondering whats the best one |
| 19:40.50 | wols | !best |
| 19:40.50 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 19:41.00 | Bushmills | ChrisW: that is, the installer sees the actual physical hardware? |
| 19:41.10 | ChrisW | yep |
| 19:41.26 | \bin\tclsh | aw |
| 19:41.28 | Bushmills | ChrisW: did you have a look whether lspci shows the NIC? |
| 19:41.30 | ChrisW | the windows installer option just fires up grub and then you're into the installer |
| 19:41.33 | DeadFishMan | Aretha Franklin and Men at Work, definitely... ^^ |
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| 19:41.34 | wols | ChrisW: and the drivre is loaded? |
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| 19:41.42 | ChrisW | Bushmills: as I asked wols, what is lscpi |
| 19:41.44 | ChrisW | ? |
| 19:41.46 | DaveDorm | yeargh... |
| 19:41.48 | wols | a program |
| 19:41.57 | wols | showing all pci devices on the system |
| 19:42.01 | Bushmills | ChrisW: shows you the pci devices |
| 19:42.11 | ChrisW | wols: I don't know, I don't think so given that it fails to find the nick and the point in the instalelr where it's looking for network hardware... |
| 19:42.21 | DaveDorm | hi again... still having issues mounting an nfs share... mount.nfs: internal error |
| 19:42.39 | DaveDorm | I have checked, and iptables is not blocking the port |
| 19:42.42 | wols | ChrisW: don't "think". check! |
| 19:42.43 | DaveDorm | portmapper is running |
| 19:42.44 | ChrisW | Bushmills: how would I run that from the installer? choose the shell option at the bottom and type 'lscpi'? |
| 19:42.56 | ChrisW | wols: happy do do that, but don't know how |
| 19:43.01 | Bushmills | ChrisW: from the command line. alt-f2 for a new shell |
| 19:43.09 | wols | ChrisW: ctrl+alt+f1. IF the installer comes with lspci |
| 19:43.15 | wols | Bushmills: I doubt the installer has lspci |
| 19:43.27 | wols | ChrisW: check dmesg for 8139 entries |
| 19:43.52 | ChrisW | where does dmesg live in the installer? |
| 19:44.07 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.08 | ChrisW | I tried just typing 'dmesg' in the installer's shell, got a "command not found" |
| 19:44.17 | ChrisW | what should I be doing? |
| 19:44.25 | wols | then damn busninesscard stuff |
| 19:44.37 | wols | tell us the EXACT error |
| 19:44.38 | ChrisW | uh? |
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| 19:44.56 | ChrisW | was that at me? |
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| 19:45.14 | DeadFishMan | ChrisW: He was cursing the business card-size installer |
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| 19:45.29 | DeadFishMan | ChrisW: Apparently it lacks both dmesg and lspci ^^ |
| 19:45.39 | ChrisW | is there another option? |
| 19:45.50 | DeadFishMan | ChrisW: the regular installer might have it, I can't quite remember... |
| 19:46.19 | wols | ChrisW: yes |
| 19:46.22 | ChrisW | should I try the bootable cd option? |
| 19:46.28 | wols | DeadFishMan: every debian kernel has it |
| 19:46.40 | Bushmills | well... those 8139 are so ubiquitous .. was there only one single driver on the install disk, it'd be the 8139 driver |
| 19:46.42 | wols | ChrisW: the netinst ISO has more commands at your disposal, yes |
| 19:47.06 | wols | ChrisW: modprobe 8139too ; lsmod |
| 19:47.11 | ChrisW | that's this one right? http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 19:47.13 | wols | then check if 8139too shows up |
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| 19:47.30 | kyrie | Question: Where can I find the syntax of the 'expert_recipe_file' for preseeding partman? |
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| 19:47.34 | wols | ChrisW: yes. this one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 19:47.45 | kyrie | I find the examples a bit cryptic, |
| 19:47.47 | wols | oops. wrong one |
| 19:48.01 | wols | ChrisW: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso this |
| 19:48.03 | kyrie | . |
| 19:48.06 | wols | ChrisW: it's around 150MB |
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| 19:48.24 | ChrisW | starts downloading |
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| 19:49.00 | zamuroff | Using vesa as driver, xorg starts, but no display is shown. Using via driver, just doesn't find a screen at all... after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and manual modification of /etc/X11/xorg.conf situation persists... I ran out of ideas... |
| 19:49.03 | ChrisW | googling for 8139 suggested there were problems with the 2.6 kernel though... |
| 19:49.46 | ChrisW | okay, given that I have to go across the road to try this out, what debug info can I collect that will help you guys help me prove debian isn't the sack of crud this guy currently thinks it is? :-( |
| 19:49.48 | themill | ChrisW: not in the last 3 years or so.. |
| 19:50.03 | buu | ChrisW: Just kill him and eat his heart. |
| 19:50.03 | zamuroff | Oh... forgot to mention that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not show device configuration such as driver, monitor depth and so... |
| 19:50.05 | buu | It saves time. |
| 19:50.10 | Eulex | zamuroff, what resolution are you attempting to use with the vesa driver? try a lower, more standard one. |
| 19:50.16 | ChrisW | buu: nah, he has cool toys... |
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| 19:50.33 | dyek | Hi, I want to set $dh{VERSION} in Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm to a version I specify, rather than parsing it from changelog file. Is there a way I do set $dh{VERSION} in debian/rules file, for example as dh_builddeb command line option? |
| 19:50.36 | zamuroff | Eulex: Ain't using any, actually... |
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| 19:50.54 | Eulex | zamuroff, then try specifying one. |
| 19:51.01 | ChrisW | wols, Bushmills: dmesg; modprobe 8139too ; lsmod... anything else? |
| 19:51.16 | Eulex | zamuro, also, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:51.26 | Eulex | *zamuroff |
| 19:51.35 | themill | dyek: you're not going to get much joy from #debian with that sort of question; we're mainly desktop and server support stuff. /msg dpkg mentors ; and ask them. |
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| 19:51.44 | wols | ChrisW: yes, answer the question that went with it |
| 19:51.48 | zamuroff | Eulex: Already checked... No weird thing seems to be happening. |
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| 19:52.04 | ChrisW | wols: missed that, can you repeat? |
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| 19:52.11 | robyonrails | hi guys.. I installed debian but at startup I have a problem with monitor ("frequency out of range 75 Hz.....") |
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| 19:52.27 | robyonrails | how can I fix it? |
| 19:53.02 | robyonrails | how can I fix it, considering that I can't see nothing at startup? have I to re-install it from scratch ? |
| 19:53.13 | wols | ChrisW: check the output of lsmod for 8139too |
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| 19:53.31 | dyek | themill: Did you mean some IRC channel dpkg_mentors or something like that? I couldn't find that channel. |
| 19:53.45 | Bushmills | robyonrails: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, add under Section "Monitor" st like VertRefresh 50-60 |
| 19:53.56 | themill | dpkg: tell dyek about mentors |
| 19:54.01 | ChrisW | okay, so wols: dmesg; modprobe 8139too ; lsmod, lsmod | grep 8139... anything else? |
| 19:54.05 | LuisMi | how to printer linux share with pc windows? |
| 19:54.18 | zamuroff | Eulex: What should I type into config file in order to set a screen mode? |
| 19:54.20 | ChrisW | LuisMi: Samba... get help on #samba |
| 19:54.23 | Bushmills | robyonrails: but 75 Hz is pretty low for even somewhat older monitors |
| 19:55.20 | Eulex | zamuro, in section "Screen", subsection "Display", add a Modes "1024x768" "800x600" etc line |
| 19:55.26 | LuisMi | ChrisW: Thanks, I need smb.conf with examples ... |
| 19:55.38 | ChrisW | LuisMi: ask on #samba or google |
| 19:55.45 | LuisMi | thanks.. |
| 19:55.57 | robyonrails | Bushmills how can I edit that ? |
| 19:56.32 | robyonrails | using a live cd? |
| 19:57.24 | Bushmills | robyonrails: you'd use a configuration frontend called an "editor" |
| 19:57.51 | robyonrails | how can I use it, considering the boot which starts? |
| 19:59.03 | robyonrails | debian starts and then I see black, how can I edit that file? |
| 19:59.18 | DeadFishMan | robyonrails: When on GRUB, choose the Debian line, type e and then add 'single' (without quotes) to the command line then hit ENTER |
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| 19:59.36 | robyonrails | oki |
| 20:00.06 | DeadFishMan | robyonrails: That will make it boot on init 3, where you can use an editor such as vi or nano and do the changes that Bushmills suggested |
| 20:00.25 | robyonrails | ok thx guys |
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| 20:03.51 | dyek | themill: Thanks! Finally, I am able to find irc.debian.org |
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| 20:04.25 | themill | dyek: no worries :) |
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| 20:06.25 | howlingmadhowie | wonders what the chances are of getting icedtea installed on a parisc machine |
| 20:06.56 | abrotman | !pal howlingmadhowie |
| 20:06.56 | dpkg | points at howlingmadhowie and laughs hysterically |
| 20:07.25 | howlingmadhowie | does not want to try to compile it... |
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| 20:08.47 | ameyer | wonders what the odds of ever getting icedtea in Debian are |
| 20:09.13 | ameyer | and no, I'd really rather not have to compile it |
| 20:09.49 | crweb | why would public key auth work for RSA but not for DSA ssh keys in debian? |
| 20:09.58 | helo | if i run dnsmasq on a server, and put entries in /etc/hosts for the clients, will the clients be able to "host myhostname" and get a reply back? |
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| 20:12.23 | howlingmadhowie | ameyer: does icedtea still contain non-free stuff? |
| 20:12.25 | Zenox | Running "mdadm --examine --scan" gives 2 configured md0-arrays even though i only want 1... guess i did something wrong when adding an extra drive... anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 20:12.44 | abrotman | ameyer: it's not supposed to |
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| 20:13.46 | daedalus_ | helo: If I recall, the "host" utility does not consult /etc/hosts |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | erm .. wrong person .. but oh well |
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| 20:14.34 | daedalus_ | Zenox: What's the /proc/mdstat look like (pastebin) |
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| 20:14.50 | helo | hmm... i have dnsmasq on a server with entries like "192.168.2.50 sys1.localdomain sys1" in /etc/hosts... from clients, i can "host sys1" or sys1.localdomain and get a correct response back... i can 'ping sys1.localdomain' and get a resolution, but i cannot just 'ping sys1' |
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| 20:16.46 | Zenox | daedalus_: i pasted the output in pastebin.. when i reboot the server it just contains 3 drives even though it should be 4.. one of the drives (that was added later on) is not even bound on startup |
| 20:17.02 | daedalus_ | helo: odd. Well, you could add .localdomain to your "search" entry in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:17.08 | Lagbolt | a little off topic but anyone think it is a bad idea to pay 242$ for m/b, amd quad core, 2 gB of ram and geforce 7300 knowing that i get 60$ in rebates as well making it $182 |
| 20:17.19 | abrotman | Lagbolt: #hardware |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | or ##hardware .. whatever |
| 20:17.49 | tarzeau | GOOOOOOOAL |
| 20:18.15 | wols | kickz tarzeau in the nutz |
| 20:18.26 | wols | tarzeau: #debian is my last refuge from that shit! |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | there has to be a #world-cup or something |
| 20:18.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: european |
| 20:19.07 | abrotman | dude .. whatever .. take it somewhere else |
| 20:19.13 | wols | bad enough if "our" team plays and the morons honk and do fireworks at 11pm for an hour outside |
| 20:19.36 | tarzeau | wols: who is "your" team? |
| 20:19.43 | abrotman | seriously .. |
| 20:19.46 | huiBuh | loud metal-music is the only-escape for that ^^ |
| 20:19.52 | wols | the one with the 11 assholes on it. now scram |
| 20:20.04 | wols | huiBuh: I'm in a minority in this country |
| 20:20.09 | wols | but enough of it |
| 20:22.07 | DeadFishMan | lol |
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| 20:24.05 | howlingmadhowie | oh yeah. i had a problem with the computer. i'd forgotten about that. emacs21-nox (under etch) doesn't have a cursor for any TERM apart from vt100 |
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| 20:25.03 | piju | anyone loves tejano ? |
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| 20:25.53 | wols | piju: I love debian support questions. and yours wasn't one |
| 20:26.01 | Hideme | how do I find the path of something... eg: kill, or host? |
| 20:26.06 | howlingmadhowie | and while i'm at it, even stranger: ysm doesn't do anything if i enter the numbers 1-6... strange |
| 20:26.13 | wols | Miouge: locate bin/<command> |
| 20:26.20 | howlingmadhowie | which kill |
| 20:26.27 | Hideme | killall |
| 20:26.50 | SeveredCross | If you're looking for something in /bin, which will do it. |
| 20:26.54 | wols | Hideme: the command is "which killall" |
| 20:26.56 | piju | wols, sorry, wrong window |
| 20:27.01 | keith4 | the last lines of the package info for 'chkconfig' say "In Debian, there are several tools with similar functionality, but users coming from other Linux distributions will find the tools in this package more familiar." What does this refer to? |
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| 20:27.12 | Tramp | Hideme: the correct way is to check with "type" |
| 20:27.43 | Hideme | tkx |
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| 20:28.13 | wols | keith4: invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d for example |
| 20:28.18 | helo | anyone know why lp -dprinter /etc/hosts might block for 15 seconds, with output from dmesg showing "lp0: ECP mode"? |
| 20:28.32 | keith4 | wols: ah, is that all that means? thanks |
| 20:28.49 | wols | keith4: there are a few others too. rcconf does something like it,etc |
| 20:29.04 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.22 | helo | it happens each time i print |
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| 20:30.15 | subsume | how do I include the password in the scp command? |
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| 20:30.51 | subsume | scp -pblah doesn't work |
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| 20:31.35 | subsume | nor is it supposed to I guess. =) |
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| 20:32.03 | daedalus_ | subsume: doesn't work that way. If you want automagic connection, push your keys around. |
| 20:32.17 | subsume | daedalus_: I'm just trying to use it in a bash script. |
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| 20:32.31 | Tramp | subsume: ssh/scp only accepts passwords from the controling terminal. It can be "spoofed" with socat, if you absolutely have to |
| 20:32.42 | abrotman | flower: oyu mean running jedit .. and ask them |
| 20:32.49 | abrotman | last i checked .. jedit isn't in Debian |
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| 20:33.03 | abrotman | flower: i'd guess you don't ahve a real java sdk/jre |
| 20:33.04 | subsume | Tramp: I don't need to, I guess. I just want to use scp with cron. |
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| 20:33.32 | flower | abrotman, how can I get one? I need jedit for lilypond |
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| 20:33.48 | extor | Would it be quite easy to backport the php5-xdebug package from lenny to etch? Wonder why it has not been done by that ubuntu guy who did it for lenny |
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| 20:34.02 | daedalus_ | subsume: totally push your keys then :) Even better would be to make a separate very unpriviledged user to do your cron scpign and push his keys ;) |
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| 20:34.18 | subsume | daedalus_: Could you please elaborate on 'push your keys' ? =) |
| 20:34.19 | abrotman | wtf is lilypond ? and i doubt you *need* it |
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| 20:34.24 | abrotman | !tell flower about install java |
| 20:34.46 | daedalus_ | subsume: you have a pair of identity keys in .ssh/ |
| 20:35.10 | subsume | daedalus_: is that /home/x/.ssh? |
| 20:35.16 | helo | does lp do main resolution when using "lp -dprinter"? |
| 20:35.19 | daedalus_ | subsume: yep |
| 20:35.22 | subsume | k. |
| 20:35.26 | helo | dns, that is |
| 20:35.30 | howlingmadhowie | flower: jedit has syntax highlighting for lilypond? cool :) |
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| 20:35.46 | Bladesman | abrotman: Sure that you're nott meaning jed? |
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| 20:35.57 | abrotman | Bladesman: his paste says jedit |
| 20:36.04 | subsume | daedalus_: does this relate tot he 'identity file' switch in man scp? |
| 20:37.08 | extor | !backport |
| 20:37.08 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 20:37.18 | daedalus_ | subsume: yes, in a way |
| 20:37.26 | daedalus_ | subsume: here http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ |
| 20:37.41 | flower | abrotman, I've sun-java6-jre installed |
| 20:37.43 | daedalus_ | subsume: you only need to follow up through step 4 |
| 20:37.53 | abrotman | then i'd ask jedit people |
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| 20:38.12 | Bladesman | apt-cache show jed shows that jed does syntax highlighting etc. |
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| 20:38.24 | daedalus_ | subsume: the identity flag allows you to use different identity files (since you could create as many keypairs as you like) |
| 20:38.29 | flower | abrotman, I did, but no response |
| 20:38.42 | subsume | daedalus_: ok, excellent. let me do some readin' |
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| 20:40.38 | daedalus_ | subsume: oh, for your automagic scp purposes, you will want no passphrase |
| 20:41.36 | anonimus | hi, is it posible to use vnc with proxy? i need to use my vncclient over box1 to reach box2 |
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| 20:42.02 | PMT | World, I'm trying to update a package maintained in git to a new upstream version, but I don't understand how to do so properly. I've read http://daniel.debian.net/documents/cheatpages/maintainer.html, but pristine-tar commit [new version] does not appear to do the right thing - the only chance is that git status reports the new .id and .delta files as "deleted". Is there a better guide to maintaining packages in git? |
| 20:42.26 | PMT | anonimus - I believe it is. VNC is TCP, so you should be able to forward it appropriately. |
| 20:42.27 | daedalus_ | anonimus, yep. Some quick googling should pull up the relevant steps needed |
| 20:42.33 | PMT | You might enjoy using ssh port forwarding for this. |
| 20:42.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hey, I'm having some issues setting up my old P1 laptop, It needs fbdev, I figured there would be a chance I could get at least mediocre support from the latest stuff, I'm trying to set up xfce4 and I'm having problems configuring xorg to use the xserver-xorg-video-fbdev |
| 20:43.09 | anonimus | yes, but is it posible with vinagre? |
| 20:43.11 | wols | anonimus: eihter use a socks proxy or use a ssh tunnel |
| 20:43.28 | PMT | anonimus: yes. |
| 20:43.28 | wols | anonimus: what debian version do you run? |
| 20:43.30 | anonimus | well, i tunel to box1 and then i need to reach box2 |
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| 20:43.43 | wols | anonimus: what debian version? |
| 20:43.43 | anonimus | box2 has vnc server |
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| 20:44.17 | anonimus | wols, sid |
| 20:44.30 | wols | anonimus: why do you ask in #ubuntu then? dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 20:44.37 | wols | anonimus: what does this command show? |
| 20:45.21 | anonimus | ii libc6 2.7-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 20:47.48 | Bladesman | wonders if it's wols purpose in life to make it impossible to find answers. |
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| 20:51.53 | wols | Bladesman: he asked the same question in #ubuntu and did it before he did so here. he also didn't get an answer in there |
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| 20:54.29 | dante_2core | wols proved quite helpful to me, iirc |
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| 20:59.32 | subsume | daedalus_: hmpf. here's a snag. remote server is windows via cygwin. =) |
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| 21:01.05 | keith4 | why do people-who-shouldn't-be-running-sid... run sid? |
| 21:01.30 | abrotman | why ask why .. drink bud dry |
| 21:01.37 | dante_2core | keith4, lawl |
| 21:01.48 | keith4 | abrotman: who says advertising doesn't work? |
| 21:02.35 | keith4 | wols: is (weeding out ubuntu users who ask for help in here) the only reason you hang out in #ubuntu? ;-) |
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| 21:03.02 | ChrisW | wols: ping |
| 21:03.09 | wols | pong |
| 21:03.19 | wols | keith4: I help #ubuntu users too |
| 21:03.24 | ChrisW | right, same result from boot cd install, but I do have feedback for you... |
| 21:03.45 | keith4 | wols: I used to... but it's just so frustrating, and there's an endless stream of questions... and they don't tend to learn. i gave up |
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| 21:04.12 | wols | it gets frustating for me too, then get get sarcastic, then I get kb'ed |
| 21:04.16 | wols | then it ends again |
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| 21:04.45 | ChrisW | lsmod | grep 8139 returned nothing until modprobe 8319too had been run, it then returned 3189too and mii, but exciting the shell and telling the installer to detect network hardware again ,adn even selecting the 8139 manually from the list still resulted in "no network device found" |
| 21:04.50 | keith4 | i always got yelled at for telling people how to do things the debian way, instead of the ubuntu way |
| 21:05.01 | wols | but the upshoot is: it makes me appreciate how much smarter debian users are on average (hard to believe I know, but it's true!) |
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| 21:05.10 | ChrisW | any ideas? |
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| 21:05.35 | keith4 | i'm almost glad ubuntu is around... i get the feeling that some of them use it as an alternative to debian, because debian is too hard |
| 21:05.51 | wols | ChrisW: don't modprobe it but select it in the installer. then when it's laoded check with dmesg if the kernel did evreything al right |
| 21:06.18 | howlingmadhowie | finds debian easy as well :) |
| 21:06.26 | wols | you can also run /sbin/ifconfig -a and see if there is a ethX |
| 21:06.26 | haxi | too |
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| 21:07.20 | ChrisW | I did ifconfig but it returned nothing |
| 21:07.23 | ChrisW | will try ifconfig /a |
| 21:07.25 | howlingmadhowie | now suse9.0 on an amd64. that was hard :( |
| 21:07.31 | keith4 | -a, not /a |
| 21:07.36 | wols | ChrisW: NOT ifconfig /a |
| 21:07.40 | wols | read more carefully |
| 21:07.42 | ChrisW | currently trying to get an irc client on a laptop I can take over there rather than running backwards and forwards between houses ;-) |
| 21:07.43 | abrotman | yay windows! |
| 21:07.55 | ChrisW | heh ;-) |
| 21:08.04 | keith4 | i am forced to use centos at work... makes me appreciate debian so much more |
| 21:08.06 | howlingmadhowie | ChrisW: irssi is your friend :) |
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| 21:08.44 | ChrisW | irssi? that run on a macbook running tiger? |
| 21:08.49 | Bladesman | S'why I'm running Debian. Used to frequent the newsgroups and while all the others were still asking how to get winmodems to run, the Debian folks were using the system. Better class of users. |
| 21:08.59 | howlingmadhowie | keith4: that's nothing. my boss keeps trying to get me to use windows, although i have no idea how to do half the stuff i need to do on it |
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| 21:09.18 | ChrisW | wols: when I select in the installer, it says "could not find network card" so Idon't know what you're referring to |
| 21:09.20 | keith4 | ChrisW: something wrong with xchat for os x? |
| 21:09.25 | howlingmadhowie | ChrisW: good question. it should do |
| 21:09.48 | ChrisW | keith4: xchat come bundled on mac or do I download from somewhere else? |
| 21:09.53 | wols | ChrisW: so after you used modprobe do the ifconfig -a stuff |
| 21:09.57 | howlingmadhowie | keith4: maybe he doesn't have X11 installed |
| 21:10.02 | wols | is eth0 there? what does dmesg say? |
| 21:10.20 | keith4 | ChrisW: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xchataqua/ |
| 21:10.23 | Nyle | I am forcing people to use debian at work ;) |
| 21:11.04 | ChrisW | wtf? anyone know where the # key is on a uk macbook pro keyboard?! |
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| 21:11.19 | Nyle | usual spot? |
| 21:11.21 | Nyle | shift 3? |
| 21:11.30 | ChrisWMac | I said UK keyboard ;-) |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | in which OS ? |
| 21:11.42 | Nyle | hmm |
| 21:11.42 | ChrisWMac | MacOS |
| 21:11.45 | Nyle | uk is fucked up |
| 21:11.48 | abrotman | fucking christ |
| 21:11.55 | ChrisWMac | heh |
| 21:11.57 | abrotman | ChrisWMac: ask #macosx .. not us |
| 21:11.58 | ChrisWMac | oh well, I got here |
| 21:11.59 | keith4 | ChrisW: uh... copy and paste this one: ######### |
| 21:12.01 | Nyle | man wtf does this look like #mac |
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| 21:12.12 | keith4 | facepalms |
| 21:12.35 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:12.39 | Nyle | Imagine christ porn. |
| 21:12.52 | ChrisWMac | heh, right, okay, lemme take this heap of mac over to the broken soon-to-be-ex windows machine and then we can do things a little mroe sensibly... |
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| 21:13.11 | Nyle | ChrisWMac, I installed debian on mac powerbook 3400c |
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| 21:13.19 | Nyle | ChrisWMac, I'm sure you can do it on a macbook |
| 21:13.28 | solid_liq | anyone know how to change the increcibly stupid default behavior of gnome's nautilus so that it won't open folders in a new window, but rather in the current window on debian sid? |
| 21:13.29 | keith4 | Nyle: don't confuse him |
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| 21:13.44 | Nyle | keith4, I am not. |
| 21:13.58 | Nyle | solid_liq, its in the pref. |
| 21:14.17 | Nyle | solid_liq, i remember it being there, easily configurable |
| 21:14.44 | solid_liq | Nyle: I couldn't find it in the preferences |
| 21:15.03 | solid_liq | Nyle: I've looked probably 3 times now :( |
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| 21:15.23 | Bladesman | Think it may be "show files and dirs" or something. |
| 21:16.09 | abrotman | solid_liq: google "nautilus spatial" |
| 21:16.17 | solid_liq | abrotman: k, thanks :) |
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| 21:17.49 | subsume | daedalus_: you there? still working through that doc. |
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| 21:18.17 | ChrisWMac | right kids, now lookin at this windows machine that refuses to find a nic when it boots into debian ;-) |
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| 21:18.22 | ChrisWMac | wols: still here? ;-) |
| 21:19.21 | ChrisWMac | okay, ifconfig -a shows only loopback |
| 21:19.23 | solid_liq | hen remove it! Using GConf (Fedora -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor) and go to the /apps/nautilus/preferences key. You can then apply a tick alongside the always_use_browser key. Log out of GNOME, and upon re-logging in, your new changes would take effect. |
| 21:19.25 | helo | is there anything in the net generator rules that will guarantee that, when a machine is booted with both an onboard and pci nic, that the onboard will be named eth0, with the add-on becoming eth1? |
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| 21:19.31 | solid_liq | how intuitively obvious ^^^ ;) |
| 21:19.36 | helo | s/that// |
| 21:20.00 | ChrisWMac | wols: ping? |
| 21:20.55 | subsume | I'm trying to scp from server A (debian) to server B via cron. I put my key on server B in hopes of SSH'ing from A without a passphrase. Will this have to be a no-passphrase key? |
| 21:21.15 | Nyle | subsume, I think so |
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| 21:21.19 | Nyle | otherwise you'd have to enter a pw |
| 21:21.25 | solid_liq | subsume: yes |
| 21:21.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm getting an Xorg problem, (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid Argument, I've got the fbdev stuff installed for xorg, any ideas? |
| 21:21.28 | haxi | is there an equivalent of dreamweaver for linux? (graphicaly complete) |
| 21:21.40 | subsume | Do I need to create a new user or something? I don't want to .. hmm.. hang on. I'm not sure if I'm making sense. |
| 21:22.13 | torroella | Nyle: im so happy now |
| 21:22.14 | torroella | hahaha |
| 21:22.20 | subsume | if my normal user is 'me' and I generate a new key with no passphrase, will this have ... negative externalities ... ? |
| 21:22.39 | Nyle | subsume, ssh-keygen -t rsa; no passphrase, scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub server:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 21:22.40 | dante_2core | torroella, weren't you the guy with the resolution problem? |
| 21:22.42 | subsume | haxi: heh heh. I don't think so. |
| 21:22.47 | dante_2core | does it work now? |
| 21:22.57 | subsume | haxi: there are paradigm differences. WYSIWYG is synonymous with amateur, ugly code. |
| 21:23.04 | ChrisWMac | is out of ideas on how to get this debian to find the nic on this damned machine |
| 21:23.13 | Nyle | ChrisWMac, lspci? |
| 21:23.13 | wols | ChrisWMac: I asked you a few things |
| 21:23.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:23.27 | ChrisWMac | ah, okay, lemme try lscpi |
| 21:23.30 | wols | Nyle: good idea |
| 21:23.34 | subsume | Nyle: the remote server is windows (cygwin) |
| 21:23.39 | wols | ChrisWMac: lspci and show us the result |
| 21:23.42 | ChrisWMac | lscpi not found :-( |
| 21:23.48 | Nyle | install pciutuils |
| 21:23.50 | subsume | Nyle: know anything about that? I did find some keys in /etc/, so maybe they belong there? (.ssh isn't valid on windows) |
| 21:23.50 | Nyle | pciutils |
| 21:23.52 | ChrisWMac | ah, typo |
| 21:23.59 | Nyle | ahh |
| 21:24.02 | Nyle | typo indeed |
| 21:24.11 | ChrisWMac | lspci returns nothing |
| 21:24.14 | Nyle | subsume, ##windows |
| 21:24.19 | ChrisWMac | how do I tickle it to return something? |
| 21:24.19 | subsume | Nyle: =) |
| 21:24.28 | wols | ChrisWMac: cat /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 21:24.30 | torroella | dante_2core: yes, was solved |
| 21:24.40 | dante_2core | congrats :D what was the problem? |
| 21:25.03 | torroella | dante_2core: someone from here had the same problem and he gave me a tutorial to fix it, wait. |
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| 21:25.11 | wols | subsume: .ssh is valid on windows. and cygwin has a etc directory too |
| 21:25.15 | ChrisWMac | woa |
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| 21:25.21 | torroella | dante_2core: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 I just did this. |
| 21:25.22 | ChrisWMac | wols: empty too |
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| 21:25.27 | torroella | And voalá, solved! |
| 21:25.28 | dante_2core | torroella, thanks |
| 21:25.30 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 21:25.31 | subsume | wols: well, my ssh users in cygwin don't have .ssh directorise so I am guessing they aren't stored there. |
| 21:25.39 | pyrohotdog | How do I sync my clock with a network server? It's wrong and it's throwing the system off.. |
| 21:25.44 | subsume | wols: I copied it to the cygwin /etc/ for kicks, because I saw other ones there. you think that will work? |
| 21:25.52 | Nyle | !tell pyrohotdog -about ntp |
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| 21:26.03 | dante_2core | torroella, xrandr rocks, I use only that to do things on my laptopü |
| 21:26.06 | subsume | Nyle: were there typos in that command you gave me? |
| 21:26.12 | pyrohotdog | ntp is installed... |
| 21:26.13 | torroella | dante_2core: hehe it rocks for me now |
| 21:26.14 | torroella | :D |
| 21:26.15 | daedalus_ | subsume: create it. |
| 21:26.17 | Nyle | subsume, possibly.. |
| 21:26.18 | torroella | it does |
| 21:26.18 | ChrisWMac | does that mean there's some problem with the pci? |
| 21:26.35 | Nyle | man ssh-keygen |
| 21:26.48 | wols | ChrisWMac: I want to see the content of that file |
| 21:27.02 | ChrisWMac | cat of it returns nothing |
| 21:27.03 | ChrisWMac | nada |
| 21:27.04 | ChrisWMac | ]zip |
| 21:27.05 | ChrisWMac | emty |
| 21:27.12 | subsume | daedalus_: doh. they were created somehow. |
| 21:27.13 | pyrohotdog | Is there a command to run or something that will tell it to sync? |
| 21:27.29 | Nyle | !ntpdate |
| 21:27.29 | dpkg | from memory, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
| 21:27.38 | subsume | daedalus_: is having no passphrase a bad idea _outside_ of this situatin? |
| 21:27.40 | Nyle | iirc ntp supercedes ntpdate |
| 21:27.41 | wols | ChrisWMac: dmesg. full output |
| 21:27.56 | user___ | hello - i have webspace with php and perl. can i use that to setup a webdav server (only needed for iCalendar Puts for a team of 25 people)? my provider does not have mod_dav installed. |
| 21:27.59 | ChrisWMac | wols: file length of /proc/bus/pci/devices is zero |
| 21:28.18 | ChrisWMac | how do I get the full output of dmesg to you from a machine with no nic? ;-) |
| 21:28.24 | Nyle | user___, ask... #apache? |
| 21:28.29 | ChrisWMac | I'll have a look and see if anything jumps out... |
| 21:28.31 | wols | ChrisWMac: it ALWAYS is zero. cat /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 21:28.36 | jelly-home | ChrisWMac: serial console |
| 21:28.46 | wols | ChrisWMac: usb stick, floppy, etc |
| 21:28.53 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:28.55 | Nyle | floppyhehehe |
| 21:29.00 | pyrohotdog | Well I have it set up just like that... |
| 21:29.23 | wols | ChrisWMac: what makes you think you know anything about what dmesg tells you? |
| 21:29.47 | ChrisWMac | wols: don't be quite so patronising ;-) |
| 21:30.01 | ChrisWMac | right, looks like ACPI is having issues |
| 21:30.13 | Nyle | patron |
| 21:30.14 | Nyle | izing. |
| 21:30.16 | torroella | oops new problem here! |
| 21:30.20 | Nyle | !dict patron |
| 21:30.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'patron' (1 of 7): someone who supports or champions something . |
| 21:30.27 | torroella | hahaha I didn't know debian doesn't recognize my webcam!! |
| 21:30.27 | torroella | :< |
| 21:30.34 | ChrisWMac | ACPI error - need integer, found reference |
| 21:30.35 | Nyle | torroella, which one? |
| 21:30.39 | torroella | what's the command to see my cam model? |
| 21:30.40 | jelly-home | Nyle: thank you for that insight :-P |
| 21:30.49 | wols | ChrisWMac: torroella lsusb |
| 21:30.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | Help please :) http://paste.debian.net/8021/ |
| 21:30.52 | torroella | I don't know indeed, it is installed on the laptop by default |
| 21:30.54 | wols | torroella: lsusb |
| 21:30.58 | Nyle | torroella, listen to wols |
| 21:30.58 | torroella | is not a usb |
| 21:31.03 | Nyle | don't listen to wols then |
| 21:31.04 | torroella | comes already with the laptop |
| 21:31.07 | wols | torroella: how do you know? |
| 21:31.11 | wols | torroella: and? |
| 21:31.13 | Nyle | torroella, once try lsusb |
| 21:31.16 | torroella | ok |
| 21:31.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | gah. |
| 21:31.29 | Nyle | torroella, pastebin it output |
| 21:31.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | This is really frustrating |
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| 21:31.38 | jelly-home | !tell Blast_Hardcheese -about fixed |
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| 21:31.44 | torroella | hehe you guys were correct, sorry. |
| 21:31.47 | torroella | Bus 006 Device 002: ID 04f2:b012 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 1.3 MPixel UVC webcam |
| 21:32.01 | keith4 | Bladesman: install some fonts |
| 21:32.04 | keith4 | crap |
| 21:32.05 | wols | now google the USB ID for linux drivers |
| 21:32.08 | keith4 | Blast_Hardcheese: install some fonts |
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| 21:32.14 | ChrisWMac | wols: what does "torroela lsusb" mean? |
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| 21:32.29 | Nyle | http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ |
| 21:32.35 | keith4 | it means "torroela... run 'lsusb'" |
| 21:32.38 | wols | ChrisWMac: mis-tab. please talk to someone else or I will be patronizing again. HAND |
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| 21:32.52 | torroella | Nyle: for me? |
| 21:32.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | keith4: Fair enough, I was referring to the FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument bit |
| 21:32.57 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:32.58 | ChrisWMac | *sigh* yay, way to prove what people say about linux... |
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| 21:33.06 | keith4 | Blast_Hardcheese: yah, I figured ;-) |
| 21:33.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | I am installing fonts though, since just saying apt-get install xfce4 didn't get any fonts o_O |
| 21:33.28 | Nyle | ChrisWMac, thats why it is thriving. |
| 21:33.29 | ChrisWMac | if you can tell me how do get the full output of dmesg to you from a machine with no nic and booting off a cd, I'm more than willing to try |
| 21:33.45 | Blast_Hardcheese | ChrisWMac: Floppy |
| 21:33.50 | ChrisWMac | Nyle: I know, but I think that's inspight of some of the people here |
| 21:33.55 | anonimus | well, nothing so far :( anyone has any idea? i have ubuntu with xvncviwer // vinagre on ubuntu and i need to connect over my debian box1 to my debian box 2 which is running vnc server |
| 21:33.57 | Nyle | ChrisWMac, save the output to a file. take the hdd out, put it in a diff machine with network, and copy the file |
| 21:34.09 | ChrisWMac | Blast_Hardcheese: sadly, like most machines nowadays, the floppy drive on this one is broken] |
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| 21:34.14 | Nyle | ChrisWMac, use a removeable media like floppy and/or usb flash |
| 21:34.18 | keith4 | anonimus: ssh tunnel |
| 21:34.19 | ChrisWMac | besides, the network attached machine has no floppy drive... |
| 21:34.25 | Nyle | ChrisWMac, or use a serial console |
| 21:34.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | ChrisWMac: "inspight" is not a word, by the way, just making sure you're aware |
| 21:34.34 | ChrisWMac | Nyle: no serial console |
| 21:34.35 | anonimus | keith4, how? |
| 21:34.36 | subsume | I like inspight |
| 21:34.47 | keith4 | anonimus: what port is vnc server listening on? |
| 21:34.48 | ChrisWMac | will usb work from the installer? |
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| 21:35.00 | ChrisWMac | (ie: can I mount a usb drive if I plug one in) |
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| 21:35.33 | Nyle | usb drivers are on the initial ramdisk afaik |
| 21:35.37 | anonimus | keith4, on port 34444 |
| 21:35.48 | jelly-home | ChrisWMac: if usb-storage module and sd_mod are loaded, it ought to work |
| 21:35.53 | LeonardoESBR | hi people! How to can I know the order of execution of the services present in /etc/init.d or /etc/rc.X? |
| 21:35.57 | keith4 | anonimus: assuming 5900.... "ssh -L 1234:box2:34444 someone@box1". then, connect xvncviewer (or whatever) to localhost:1234 |
| 21:35.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | wonders if he can get Wesnoth running on a P1 with only fbdev |
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| 21:36.08 | keith4 | anonimus: take out the "assuming 5900" part |
| 21:36.24 | subsume | daedalus_: got it rocking. thanks! |
| 21:36.35 | anonimus | ok keith4 |
| 21:36.46 | keith4 | LeonardoESBR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init#SysV-style |
| 21:36.49 | torroella | Nyle: i don't see my cam there |
| 21:36.54 | ChrisWMac | okay, but how about people just gimme a break and try and help me though dmesg without taking 1hr to get a dmesg dump off of it when I have the dmesg output right here in front of me |
| 21:36.58 | Nyle | torroella, listen to wols |
| 21:37.02 | Nyle | I'm ill. |
| 21:37.07 | Nyle | rests |
| 21:37.16 | keith4 | LeonardoESBR: eh... that might not have been the link I thought it was |
| 21:37.23 | torroella | yes wols ? |
| 21:37.24 | keith4 | but it's a good start |
| 21:37.27 | ChrisWMac | is the ACPI output complaining of an integer when a reference is found relevent? |
| 21:37.56 | keith4 | I hope you're not seriously going to read through every line of dmesg and ask if it's important |
| 21:37.56 | anonimus | thx keith4 |
| 21:38.51 | ChrisWMac | keith4: given that the line is complaining of an error with ACPI and debian is having trouble with finding the PCI bus, I reckon it might be relevant, no? |
| 21:38.59 | Nyle | torroella, try 'lspci' |
| 21:39.07 | Nyle | !whats my hardware |
| 21:39.07 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 21:39.37 | wols | torroella: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/linux-uvc |
| 21:39.54 | Nyle | wols, already gave him the link |
| 21:40.13 | torroella | Nyle: http://www.asasas.pastebin.com/m115a4080 |
| 21:40.25 | keith4 | some things.. I will never understand. Like, why do people insist on a) asking for help b) not taking suggestions c) doing something else and d) complaining that people stop helping them? |
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| 21:40.37 | keith4 | goes home |
| 21:40.41 | Nyle | 05:32 < Nyle> http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ |
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| 21:40.58 | Nyle | 8 minutes ago :) |
| 21:41.16 | helo | when an etch machine boots with two new nics, how does it decide which gets the lower ethN name? |
| 21:41.31 | wols | helo: first loaded driver gets eth0 |
| 21:41.34 | wols | 2nd eth1 |
| 21:41.41 | helo | what decides which driver loads first? |
| 21:41.50 | helo | pci bus scan? |
| 21:41.53 | torroella | now Nyle ? |
| 21:41.56 | wols | chance, order in /etc/modules and so on |
| 21:42.18 | Nyle | torroella, linux-uvc-source - Linux kernel USB video class module |
| 21:42.28 | Nyle | torroella, you need to use module-assistant to build it |
| 21:42.44 | torroella | ok |
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| 21:43.03 | litage | i don't have access to a Debian box at the moment. could someone please tell me the full path to the ``rename'' util? |
| 21:43.05 | torroella | install linux-uvc-source ? |
| 21:43.10 | Nyle | torroella, aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i (no clue what to put in here) |
| 21:43.26 | Nyle | torroella, install that package and look intto /usr/share/doc/linux-uvc-source |
| 21:43.26 | torroella | :| |
| 21:43.34 | Nyle | shoudl be readme files in htere telling you what to do |
| 21:43.36 | torroella | ok i am installing linux-uvc-source |
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| 21:44.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | hahaha, xfce starts up slow as molasses on this machine. |
| 21:44.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | but it works! |
| 21:44.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hooray! |
| 21:44.49 | LeonardoESBR | keith4: thanks for help me. but i understand the "scheme" of levels of init. In the reality, i need know the order of execucion of the services in a especific rc.X (for example, rc2.d). How to can i make this? |
| 21:44.53 | Nyle | linux-uvc |
| 21:44.56 | Nyle | thats all it is called |
| 21:44.58 | Nyle | so yeh i was right |
| 21:45.04 | torroella | Nyle: done installed, now? |
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| 21:45.24 | Nyle | torroella, aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i linux-uvc && modprobe linux-uvc |
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| 21:45.55 | bahfoo | hello |
| 21:46.00 | torroella | wow 200MB for a webcam, Nyle ? |
| 21:46.06 | Nyle | torroella, no |
| 21:46.19 | Nyle | for development libraries, kernel headers, kernel source, etc. etc. |
| 21:46.21 | torroella | it is removing a lot of programs |
| 21:46.23 | torroella | is ok? |
| 21:46.28 | Nyle | torroella, you have to compile the module |
| 21:46.31 | Nyle | torroella, no its not ok |
| 21:46.41 | torroella | it did |
| 21:46.42 | torroella | :S!! |
| 21:46.43 | Nyle | torroella, this seems a bit more complicated |
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| 21:46.48 | torroella | then? |
| 21:46.50 | Nyle | what did it remove? |
| 21:46.55 | torroella | a lot of things |
| 21:46.57 | torroella | 200MB |
| 21:46.57 | bahfoo | I have a question when it's my turn :) |
| 21:46.59 | torroella | I stoped it |
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| 21:47.02 | Nyle | do you use apt-get usually or aptitude? |
| 21:47.20 | torroella | I used what you said |
| 21:47.20 | torroella | aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i linux-uvc && modprobe linux-uvc |
| 21:47.36 | LeonardoESBR | keith4: well, in focus, i need know by configuration, if, for example, autofs runs before networking service ou NetworkManager. can you help me? |
| 21:47.52 | Nyle | torroella, what do you use usually? are you using apt-get or aptitude (not now, but in general) |
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| 21:48.24 | torroella | apt-get |
| 21:48.32 | Nyle | torroella, thats probably why |
| 21:48.43 | Nyle | torroella, so in line, modify aptitude with apt-get |
| 21:48.53 | Nyle | try that and it shouldn't try to remove packages, hopefully |
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| 21:50.34 | torroella | Nyle: done, now? |
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| 21:51.01 | torroella | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 21:51.04 | Nyle | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i linux-uvc && modprobe linux-uvc |
| 21:51.09 | torroella | should I remove them? |
| 21:51.15 | Nyle | sure |
| 21:51.22 | torroella | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
| 21:51.24 | torroella | oh, ok good |
| 21:52.01 | Nyle | you can alwyas try -s with apt-get just to see what will happen |
| 21:52.03 | Nyle | simulate. |
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| 21:52.57 | torroella | Setting up linux-uvc-modules-2.6.24-1-686 (0.1.0.svn193-3+2.6.24-7) ... |
| 21:52.57 | torroella | FATAL: Module linux_uvc not found. |
| 21:53.09 | ChrisWMac_ | so, no-one has any ideas why lspci would return absolutely nothing? |
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| 21:53.42 | ec_ | ChrisWMac_: do you have functioning pci devices? |
| 21:53.59 | ChrisWMac_ | ec_ no, that's the problem |
| 21:54.11 | ec_ | are you using the generic kernel? |
| 21:54.36 | ChrisWMac_ | there's precisely one pci device in this machine (the nic) and that ain't working |
| 21:54.42 | ChrisWMac_ | ec_: I think so |
| 21:54.51 | ChrisWMac_ | jsut using the net installer from a cd image |
| 21:55.23 | torroella | Nyle: ? |
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| 21:55.42 | ChrisWMac_ | wols was helping but he went off in a sulk 'cos I couldn't get him the entire output of dmesg since the machine has no nic and is currently in the installer shell, so mounting usb devices, etc would be tricky... |
| 21:56.24 | ChrisWMac_ | I'm guessing at some kind of ACPI/pnp/PCI issue, but need pointers as to how to check and what to do :-S |
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| 21:57.13 | Nyle | torroella, so the package linux-uvc-modules-2.6.24-1-686 was installed? |
| 21:57.26 | Nyle | torroella, you get FATAL error when trying to modprobe linux-uvc? |
| 21:57.52 | Nyle | torroella, its 'linux-uvc' not 'linux_uvc' |
| 21:57.55 | torroella | linux-uvc-modules-2.6.24-1-686 is already the newest version. |
| 21:57.58 | Nyle | ;) |
| 21:58.06 | jdahm | hello, I am mounting an NFS4 server and it seems like /proc/net/nfs/rpc.idtoname/content is not being populated, so it doesn't show any real usernames when I 'ls' in the mounted dirs |
| 21:58.27 | Nyle | torroella, its a "dash" or "hyphen" "-" not undrscore "_" |
| 21:58.32 | jdahm | is this a known problem or should I bug report it? |
| 21:58.57 | torroella | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i linux-uvc && modprobe linux-uvc |
| 21:58.58 | bahfoo | I need some info about the debian/ubuntu exploit. is there a patch for it? when was it first discovered? |
| 21:59.21 | torroella | what's wrong with the command Nyle ¡ |
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| 21:59.27 | bahfoo | I'm assuming the open ssl exploit is the one I'm looking for |
| 21:59.34 | Nyle | torroella, maybe thats not what the module is called? |
| 21:59.41 | torroella | Nyle: how is it called then :| |
| 22:00.08 | Nyle | torroella, google indicates maybe "modprobe uvcvideo" |
| 22:00.09 | Nyle | ? |
| 22:00.10 | Nyle | maybe try that |
| 22:01.00 | torroella | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i linux-uvc && modprobe uvcvideo ? |
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| 22:01.10 | Nyle | no |
| 22:01.17 | Nyle | you don't need to do the whole thing anymore |
| 22:01.22 | Nyle | torroella, infact try this |
| 22:01.27 | Nyle | torroella, lsmod |grep uvc |
| 22:01.39 | Nyle | I think the package post-inst scripts already modprobe the driver for you |
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| 22:02.15 | torroella | Nyle: http://www.asdasd.pastebin.com/m3ce1d80f |
| 22:02.31 | Nyle | torroella, you are golden |
| 22:02.38 | Nyle | torroella, now you need to install a webcam software |
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| 22:02.57 | torroella | ok |
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| 22:03.05 | torroella | where is the how to? or do you know how? |
| 22:03.08 | Nyle | !info luvcview |
| 22:03.35 | Nyle | slow ass bot |
| 22:03.36 | dpkg | luvcview: (USB Video Class grabber), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.2.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 22:03.50 | Nyle | torroella, install this package and read /usr/share/doc/lucview/ |
| 22:04.01 | Nyle | torroella, dpkg -L luvcview|grep doc |
| 22:04.31 | torroella | /usr/share/doc/luvcview/README ? |
| 22:04.40 | Nyle | i dunno |
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| 22:04.44 | Nyle | whatever is listed |
| 22:04.50 | torroella | like 6 were listed |
| 22:04.58 | Nyle | you're a smart guy |
| 22:05.02 | Nyle | you can figure out whcih one |
| 22:05.07 | Nyle | should be README.Debian |
| 22:05.08 | Nyle | or something |
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| 22:08.08 | ChrisWMac_ | wols: btw, just fyi, turning off APIC in the bios seems to have solved the problem - thanks for your help,not! |
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| 22:09.41 | Nyle | ChrisWMac_, be nice. |
| 22:09.41 | torroella | I don't get it, Nyle :| |
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| 22:09.53 | bahfoo | Ok, well, I finished my email to them. I'll let them figure out how they got compromised |
| 22:09.55 | Nyle | torroella, just install the package i told you about |
| 22:09.57 | bahfoo | have fun |
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| 22:10.33 | torroella | Nyle: i did how do I compile it etc |
| 22:10.37 | torroella | where is the uvc folder? |
| 22:11.21 | Nyle | less /usr/share/doc/luvcview/README |
| 22:11.29 | ChrisWMac_ | Nyle: why, the guy spat his dummy when I *couldn't* do what he asked |
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| 22:11.45 | ChrisWMac_ | he then threw toys because the didn't believe what I was saying |
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| 22:11.49 | Nyle | ChrisWMac_, he is in here everyday helping so many people its not even funny |
| 22:11.54 | Nyle | he is a good dude. |
| 22:11.59 | Nyle | don't be a dick. |
| 22:12.00 | ChrisWMac_ | (lspci was returning *nothing*) |
| 22:12.32 | torroella | uhm |
| 22:12.37 | ChrisWMac_ | Nyle: I appreciate that, and I do a lot of open source work and support myself, but attacking people because they don't give answers you like just doesn't help... |
| 22:12.57 | torroella | nce you have the SDL headers installed and the three above header files in the |
| 22:13.01 | wols | ChrisWMac_: do you have a debian related support question? |
| 22:13.01 | Nyle | torroella, confrontations are never useful on irc. Ignore what you can, and absorb what you want. |
| 22:13.02 | torroella | luvcview source directory |
| 22:13.19 | Nyle | oops |
| 22:13.20 | torroella | Nyle: how can I find the luvcview directory? |
| 22:13.21 | Nyle | sorry wrong guy |
| 22:13.25 | Nyle | torroella, you dont'! |
| 22:13.33 | torroella | I need to, to send make and make install |
| 22:13.37 | Nyle | if you read the README it tells you how to use it at the bottomof the file |
| 22:13.39 | ChrisWMac_ | wols: yeah, getting the nic working was the problem, and getting dmesg output from a machien with no nic and no storage devices isn't possible |
| 22:13.40 | Nyle | you are done compoiling torroella |
| 22:13.43 | torroella | Nyle: thats what it says |
| 22:13.43 | wols | torroella: you definitrely don't |
| 22:13.46 | Nyle | torroella, you need not compile anything anymore |
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| 22:13.57 | ChrisWMac_ | the fact that lspci returned nothing was abig clue, but yu didn't seem to want to consider that |
| 22:13.57 | torroella | :| then how do I run it |
| 22:14.03 | wols | ChrisWMac_: that is not a debian support question that is whining about the big bad world. please stay on topic |
| 22:14.07 | Nyle | torroella, the README file tells you how |
| 22:14.17 | Nyle | torroella, less /usr/share/doc/luvcview/README |
| 22:14.22 | wols | ChrisWMac_: you don't have a clue what I was considering or not. now please stop whining about it |
| 22:14.26 | \3TATUK | How hot is too hot of a CPU temperature? |
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| 22:14.33 | Nyle | 75C |
| 22:14.35 | wols | \3TATUK: 120°C |
| 22:14.40 | wols | Nyle: that is not true |
| 22:14.40 | ChrisWMac_ | wols: wow, how old are you? ;-) |
| 22:15.02 | torroella | Nyle: http://www.asdasd.pastebin.com/m3e0afab0 |
| 22:15.03 | Nyle | wols, really? I've always heard the on average cpu's have a 80C or so threshold |
| 22:15.20 | Nyle | ChrisWMac_, seriously.. drop it. |
| 22:15.22 | wols | Nyle: my barton runs at 80° and more in summer just fine |
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| 22:15.41 | torroella | Nyle: http://www.asdasd.pastebin.com/m4ec363c5 |
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| 22:15.49 | wols | !info lucview etch |
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| 22:16.10 | wols | ChrisWMac_: stop messaging people |
| 22:16.24 | bokey | heh |
| 22:16.25 | torroella | my camera is working!! now |
| 22:16.27 | torroella | Nyle: !! |
| 22:16.28 | \3TATUK | wols: I'm at 185C°. ;x |
| 22:16.35 | dondelelcaro | \3TATUK: uh... are you sure? |
| 22:16.35 | wols | \3TATUK: BS. |
| 22:16.42 | Nyle | JUST RUN THE FUCKING 'luvcview' BINARY!!! |
| 22:16.44 | wols | \3TATUK: malfuntioning sensor |
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| 22:16.56 | Nyle | sorry. |
| 22:16.56 | dondelelcaro | \3TATUK: sensors may be reporting that, but it's probably calculating from the thermocouple wrong. |
| 22:17.17 | wols | \3TATUK: after 120°C your CPU is cinder. ex-CPU |
| 22:17.35 | dondelelcaro | most cpus won't even get that hot; they'll switch themselves off |
| 22:17.39 | torroella | Nyle: now, let me add the instruction for a future installation, what was exactly what we did? |
| 22:17.53 | wols | \3TATUK: what does your BIOS report. it's good for getting a baalpark estimte |
| 22:18.04 | Nyle | torroella, read the backlog |
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| 22:18.13 | wols | Nyle: did he do a ssb? |
| 22:18.16 | Nyle | no |
| 22:18.22 | Nyle | he is on testing |
| 22:18.25 | Nyle | not etch. |
| 22:18.28 | wols | ah |
| 22:18.28 | \3TATUK | wols: You're saying my BIOS should report a maximum operating temperature? |
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| 22:18.43 | wols | \3TATUK: no. I say your BIOS should be ballpark accurate |
| 22:18.44 | dondelelcaro | \3TATUK: your bios should report the temperature that the cpu is actually at. |
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| 22:19.12 | dondelelcaro | \3TATUK: if its temperature, and what's being reported by sensors don't match, then sensors is almost always wrong. |
| 22:20.21 | Nyle | ARGH! my head fucking hurts. |
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| 22:22.40 | \3TATUK | According to the manufacturer .. 100°C is the max and I'm only at 81°C. That previous paste of 185 was an incorrectly labeled ° unit. ..So I should be fine. |
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| 22:23.10 | wols | fine is relative, still fairly hot depending on CPU. also: is it under load or is it at idle? |
| 22:23.16 | wols | if at idle i'd worry |
| 22:23.23 | wols | what CPU is it? |
| 22:24.02 | \3TATUK | wols: No noo.. I'm at full high load and I'm outside in 85°C sun temperature. ;x |
| 22:24.28 | \3TATUK | (Intel Pentium M 780) |
| 22:24.42 | wols | ah laptop, yes they are always hot :( |
| 22:24.42 | dondelelcaro | uh... 85F, surely. |
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| 22:25.17 | Nyle | Bushmills++ |
| 22:25.34 | Bushmills | pardon? |
| 22:25.42 | Nyle | karma |
| 22:25.43 | Bushmills | increment me? |
| 22:25.55 | Nyle | !karma |
| 22:25.55 | dpkg | nyle has karma of 2 |
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| 22:27.25 | adama | Nyle++ |
| 22:27.31 | Nyle | !karma |
| 22:27.31 | dpkg | nyle has karma of 2 |
| 22:27.33 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:27.38 | Nyle | that sucks. |
| 22:27.45 | Nyle | i thought it was a ++ that did it |
| 22:27.49 | tarzeau | Nyle: what sucks? |
| 22:27.51 | adama | !Nyle++ |
| 22:27.55 | Nyle | !karma |
| 22:27.55 | tarzeau | best mahna mahna i've seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0MAhpCIc18&feature=related |
| 22:27.55 | dpkg | nyle has karma of 3 |
| 22:27.57 | Nyle | ahh |
| 22:27.59 | Nyle | there we go |
| 22:27.59 | adama | haha! |
| 22:28.01 | Nyle | its a ! |
| 22:28.08 | tarzeau | !kama |
| 22:28.09 | Nyle | tarzeau, hey there |
| 22:28.15 | Nyle | whats up buddy |
| 22:28.41 | KaMa | ! |
| 22:28.47 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:28.53 | tarzeau | dpkg kama is sutra |
| 22:28.53 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 22:28.58 | KaMa | ahahah |
| 22:29.21 | tarzeau | Nyle: not much, doing stuff, you? |
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| 22:30.17 | Nyle | being sick |
| 22:30.20 | Nyle | again |
| 22:30.21 | Zenox | software raid5 md0-array is incorrect, how can i delete information about it and recreate it from my devices? |
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| 22:30.24 | Nyle | story of my life... |
| 22:30.40 | subsume | Must I use IP-based virtual hosting if I want multiple sub.domain.com's under SSL on one IP addy? (apache2) |
| 22:31.54 | jelly-home | subsume: in general, you can't have multiple fqdns with ssl on one ip |
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| 22:32.08 | subsume | jelly-home: I neeed it. =) |
| 22:32.30 | jelly-home | subsume: pay for additional ips. |
| 22:32.45 | subsume | jelly-home: there must be some way. |
| 22:33.10 | jelly-home | subsume: yes. The far most common way is to... set up multiple ips on the machine |
| 22:33.17 | subsume | Really? hmpf. |
| 22:34.06 | Kumool | how to change the date? |
| 22:34.18 | Bushmills | Kumool: wait |
| 22:34.34 | Kumool | ? |
| 22:34.36 | adama | yep wait one day |
| 22:34.37 | Kumool | what u mean? |
| 22:34.40 | Kumool | lol |
| 22:34.42 | adama | the date will change |
| 22:34.46 | Bushmills | Kumool: adama got it |
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| 22:35.02 | Kumool | well thats very helpful... |
| 22:35.07 | daedalus_ | Kumool: man date |
| 22:35.08 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:35.21 | Bushmills | Kumool: do an educated guess how the command could be called |
| 22:35.24 | Nyle | adama, crackhead ;) |
| 22:35.27 | Kumool | daedalus_, yes there seems to be too much and a quote... its infinite |
| 22:35.40 | Kumool | all it does is print the date |
| 22:35.49 | Kumool | neway im reading the man so nvm |
| 22:36.02 | Guiwald | angosise |
| 22:36.02 | daedalus_ | Kumool, ate [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] |
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| 22:36.40 | daedalus_ | Kumool, which boils down to "date MMDDhhmm" |
| 22:36.40 | jelly-home | subsume: there _are_ obscure ways to do it, but are complex and rarely used. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2005/02/17/apacheckbk.html; also ask in #apache |
| 22:36.43 | Smerdyakov | What do I do when every package operation I attempt fails with "package bash is not ready for configuration\ncannot configure (current status `triggers-awaited')"? |
| 22:37.19 | subsume | jelly-home: i guess IPs are cheap |
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| 22:37.39 | wols | Smerdyakov: apt-get -f install and pastebin the output |
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| 22:37.42 | daedalus_ | Kumool: Remember that things in square brackets are optional when reading commandline option descriptions |
| 22:38.06 | daedalus_ | Kumool: You must have patience with the man pages :) |
| 22:38.20 | Kumool | i kno that i was just lazy daedalus_ |
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| 22:38.33 | daedalus_ | Kumool: No more help for you then. |
| 22:38.39 | Kumool | :( |
| 22:38.43 | Zenox | daedalus_: you know where the information about the md0-array is? like, i got 2 entries as you know, but how can i wipe that info before recreating it? |
| 22:39.24 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: look with dselect, are there any packages marked as broken? |
| 22:39.34 | Zenox | daedalus_: i only find information about how to remove active devices in the man-pages of mdadm and i should delete the info about the md0 array itself hmm |
| 22:40.00 | daedalus_ | Zenox: that data is stored in the superblocks of the partitions. There's some docs online about how to wipe the SB manually if you need to. I think it might have been a raidtools manual, but I'm not sure. |
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| 22:42.03 | spacix | i would like to search for *.mp4 in a dir and all its subdirs; how can I do this? |
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| 22:42.27 | Zenox | daedalus_: ah okay, read about it.. zero-superblock.. just didn't know that was the info |
| 22:42.52 | Smerdyakov | wols, OK: http://paste.debian.net/8034/ |
| 22:43.02 | themill | dpkg: tell spacix about using find |
| 22:43.10 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, how do I do that? |
| 22:43.54 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: as root, press keys d,s,e,l,e,c,t, then enter. cursor down to select. enter again. look. |
| 22:44.39 | Bushmills | insert space between enter again and look |
| 22:44.39 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, bash is marked as broken. |
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| 22:45.28 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: what branch of debian? |
| 22:45.49 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, testing |
| 22:46.07 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, I interrupted a dist-upgrade; that is probably the cause, not necessarily packages that would always misbehave. |
| 22:46.18 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: try to remove, and install bash again |
| 22:46.32 | infinitycircuit | Smerdyakov: dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:46.40 | Smerdyakov | It says that is serious enough that I need to enter "Yes, do it!" or something like that, which is pretty scary. |
| 22:46.58 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: better --reinstall then |
| 22:46.58 | Smerdyakov | infinitycircuit, doesn't do anything. |
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| 22:47.19 | Smerdyakov | Bulldog, add that switch to which command line? |
| 22:47.22 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, " |
| 22:47.29 | jbinder | If I install i386 Debian will it still use both cores? |
| 22:47.33 | jbinder | Like... SMP? |
| 22:47.40 | jbinder | 64 bit core 2 duo |
| 22:47.49 | infinitycircuit | jbinder: yes |
| 22:47.51 | dondelelcaro | jbinder: if you install an 686 kernel, yes. |
| 22:48.00 | dondelelcaro | jbinder: though with a coreduo, you should consider amd64. |
| 22:48.20 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: apt-get --reinstall install bash |
| 22:48.43 | jbinder | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 22:48.47 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, same error. :-( |
| 22:48.50 | wols | Smerdyakov: /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/ |
| 22:48.52 | jbinder | dondelelcaro: Why amd64 though? |
| 22:48.56 | wols | go there. any files? |
| 22:49.03 | wols | jbinder: cause it'S 64bit |
| 22:49.05 | dondelelcaro | jbinder: because that's what a 64bit core 2 duo is |
| 22:49.13 | Smerdyakov | wols, yes: File Lock Unincorp |
| 22:49.15 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: transient file lingering around somewhere |
| 22:49.21 | wols | Smerdyakov: check File |
| 22:49.27 | wols | Smerdyakov: pastebin it |
| 22:49.43 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: i'd strace the apt-get command to see which one it is |
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| 22:49.45 | jbinder | dondelelcaro: What will it differ in from the 686 version? |
| 22:49.57 | dondelelcaro | jbinder: it'll be 32bit instead of 64bit |
| 22:50.01 | wols | jbinder: 685 is 32bit, the amd64 one is 64bit |
| 22:50.33 | jbinder | Whats the difference though in apps and performance? |
| 22:50.37 | Smerdyakov | wols, Bushmills, it wouldn't be safe just to copy this file somewhere for a backup, clear it out, and retry? I might get some man pages missing, but I can live with that..? |
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| 22:50.56 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: the "clearing out" is the point |
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| 22:51.09 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, I don't understand what you're saying. |
| 22:51.16 | wols | jbinder: can't be said |
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| 22:51.56 | jbinder | wols: Cant be said? Sorry Im lost here. What do you mean? |
| 22:52.02 | Smerdyakov | File contents: http://paste.debian.net/8039/ |
| 22:52.06 | Bushmills | your package management is in an inconsistent state atm, because of temporary files/semaphores left over which dpkg (or aptitude) couldn't clean before. |
| 22:52.11 | dondelelcaro | jbinder: there's no way for us to tell you apriori. |
| 22:52.12 | wols | jbinder: that it's inconclusive and depends on workload |
| 22:52.19 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, yes, I know that. |
| 22:52.31 | subsume | jelly-home: heya. you there? |
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| 22:52.33 | Cyan20 | Hi guys...i got a question.I just installed "Octoshape", a small utility to launch streaming videos...I need it to watc |
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| 22:52.50 | jbinder | Does anyone know the difference besides saying vague generalizations about computing? |
| 22:53.11 | jbinder | wols: Why would you tell me to use it if you dont know the advantages? |
| 22:53.11 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: when that happened to me, i looked at strace output, which tells the names of the files dpkg was testing (and refusing to proceed if found) |
| 22:53.41 | wols | jbinder: I did not tell you to use it. and if you don't like what I say: don't listen to me like I won't answer you anymore. have a nice day |
| 22:54.06 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, is there a system call I'd want to search for in strace output? |
| 22:54.19 | subsume | jbinder: sometimes this is a tough room to get a straight answer out of. =) |
| 22:54.20 | infinitycircuit | jbinder: in general amd64 is faster but there are some incompatabilities. it depends on what you need to use it for |
| 22:54.21 | jbinder | wols: You too. |
| 22:54.28 | Bushmills | Smerdyakov: no but you can redirect all output to a file. you look at the last x lines |
| 22:54.32 | themill | jbinder: for a desktop system, i386 has fewer problems with non-free stuff like java and flash. |
| 22:54.34 | wols | Smerdyakov: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/04/msg00233.html |
| 22:54.36 | dondelelcaro | jbinder: I said you should consider it, because there are cases where it out performs IA32. The converse is true. |
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| 22:55.57 | Bushmills | i mean yes there are ways to filter the output but as you don't exactly know what to look for just take all output |
| 22:56.21 | Bushmills | it's probably the stat function you want |
| 22:56.39 | daedalus_ | binder: 64 bit kernels can take advantage natively of pushing data around in chunks that are twice as big as they might otherwise be on 32 bits. |
| 22:56.43 | wols | Bushmills: if he found the culprit stat function what then? |
| 22:57.04 | Bushmills | wols: if it's a .lck file he could delete it |
| 22:57.14 | Bushmills | if something else it depends on what file it is |
| 22:57.14 | daedalus_ | jbinder: So, your math operations (at the machine level) can go up to twice as fast, string comparisons go twice as fast (comparisons make up the majority of ops on a machine). |
| 22:57.33 | twobitsprite | jbinder: http://www.infopackets.com/channels/en/windows/handicapped_computerist/2006/20060824_32_bit_vs_64_bit_systems_whats_the_difference.htm |
| 22:57.44 | daedalus_ | jbinder: We can only be vague because to answer specifically, we'd have to know exactly what an application uses for low level operations... and even then, it would be hard to guess an exact spedup |
| 22:57.52 | abrotman | daedalus_: twice as fast is a bit much |
| 22:58.03 | Bushmills | wols: i haven't looked at what temp files the new triggers mechanism creates and uses |
| 22:58.07 | twobitsprite | jbinder: http://www.build-your-own-computer-tips.com/64-32-bit-processors.html |
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| 22:58.37 | daedalus_ | abrotman: strcmp should be linearly faster. Math in general will not be, that's true. |
| 22:58.58 | abrotman | daedalus_: and you should also point out the some activities could actually be slower |
| 22:59.11 | daedalus_ | abrotman: I should. |
| 22:59.22 | dondelelcaro | anything dealing with addresing memory is going to be slower |
| 23:00.04 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: oh? |
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| 23:00.07 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: howso? |
| 23:00.15 | wols | dondelelcaro: how is it slower? |
| 23:00.17 | dondelelcaro | normally this would make 64bit *way* slower, but it's a testament to how bad IA32 is that it's pretty much counterbalanced. |
| 23:00.45 | dondelelcaro | wols: because for any operation, you're slinging twice as much data around |
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| 23:01.04 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: adressing is a very parallel operation (usually down to the bit), so I'm not sure how 64 is supposed to be slower than 32. |
| 23:01.04 | wols | opcodes are larger leading to faster cache thrashing and such but data sizes stay the same |
| 23:01.06 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: memory works serially per word |
| 23:01.18 | wols | just with ssl or so you encrypt a 64bit block instead of a 32bit block basically |
| 23:01.42 | wols | twobitsprite: memory works 128bit parallel (2x64 bit = dualchannel) |
| 23:01.45 | dondelelcaro | right; all examples of cases where the IA32 bit implementation is so bad that it doesn't make a difference |
| 23:01.55 | twobitsprite | wols: er... dohh... brain fart, that's what I meant :P |
| 23:02.07 | Smerdyakov | wols, I'd really rather not read that whole document! |
| 23:02.38 | wols | Smerdyakov: I did, at least the relevant parts |
| 23:02.52 | wols | Smerdyakov: I never evre heard of "triggers" before |
| 23:02.57 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: you've got a full width bus to work with. I could do 1024bit addressing as fast as 8bit adressing if I have enough lines. |
| 23:03.04 | Bushmills | instruction length increases, by memory references getting longer. this makes larger programs, which take (slightly) longer to load. |
| 23:03.18 | Bushmills | under the line, slight performance reduction |
| 23:03.20 | wols | Bushmills: nad uses more cache which is the important part |
| 23:03.24 | daedalus_ | Bushmills: that's a good point |
| 23:03.28 | infinitycircuit | wols: did you never see the dpkg hijacking thread on debian-devel? it was over triggers |
| 23:03.41 | wols | infinitycircuit: no I didn't |
| 23:03.44 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: yes, but you need more lines, longer instructions, more cache, etc. |
| 23:04.09 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: that all makes it slower. [Not twice as slow, but slower.] |
| 23:04.16 | infinitycircuit | wols: oh yeah well someone tried to upload a new version of dpkg with triggers prematurely as an nmu if i remember correctly...it was quickly reverted at the time |
| 23:04.31 | dondelelcaro | "someone" is Ian Jackson |
| 23:04.41 | dondelelcaro | (who happened to write dpkg originally) |
| 23:04.49 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: Difference in understanding. I was speaking towards the physical access, you were leaning to Bushmills point about overall effects of the wider address space. |
| 23:04.52 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: more cache and more lines don't make anything slower... longer instructions can lead to worse thrashing, but that can be fix by just having enough memory |
| 23:05.14 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: ah, right. |
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| 23:05.58 | Bushmills | infinitycircuit: that was the semi-war which was fought out over source code massaging? |
| 23:06.15 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: you're missing the "need" there; given a sane implementation, 32bit operations when you only need to address 32bits are always going to be faster than 64 bit operations |
| 23:06.24 | infinitycircuit | Bushmills: this was several months ago i don't think it was that. it was over dpkg triggers |
| 23:07.05 | Bushmills | infinitycircuit: one leading to the next, i think. adding triggers was then as i understood a way to force hands |
| 23:07.05 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: not faster... you could argue that 64bits when only 32 are needed is "wasteful" but that's rather meaningless |
| 23:07.25 | infinitycircuit | entirely possible i didn't pay much attention to debian-devel at the time |
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| 23:08.00 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: huh? of course it's going to be faster given the same cache and transistor restraints |
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| 23:08.13 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: I think that implies an impossible "apples to apples" comparison. |
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| 23:08.29 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: such a comparison exists, actually... it's called ppc64 and sparc64. ;-) |
| 23:08.59 | dondelelcaro | (and it's the reason why we use multiarch there) |
| 23:09.22 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see why 32bit would be necessarily faster in that case |
| 23:09.28 | Gokee2 | Anyone happen to know if the debian-volatile version of spamassassin is way better at catching spam then the normal debian one? I switched to volatile a week or so ago after hearing about it and now all my spam is getting filtered serverside where before only about one in ten got filtered. |
| 23:09.45 | Bushmills | yes. will you write any quicker with a pen with a tip which is quite as thick ... |
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| 23:10.13 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: because the instruction size is smaller; it takes less cache size, less main memory size, loads faster, can load more instructions in a single clock cycle, etc. |
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| 23:10.37 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: Ehm, but there are sticky bits to ask about. Like, for 32-bits do they partition the cache, or do they just zero the last half of the word? Unusual things that require consideration. |
| 23:10.37 | Bushmills | but there are special operations you can do quicker with that pen, such as filling in an area. but 32 bit program execution in that context is more like ... writing. |
| 23:10.37 | hagna | so I installed these packages, but I have no idea what files it put where I guess I should have done a find / and then diff |
| 23:10.45 | minus198 | Totally the wrong channel but: How do I change the nick of an IRC user while being OPER? |
| 23:11.06 | Bushmills | s/quite/twice/ ... |
| 23:11.09 | infinitycircuit | hagna: dpkg -L <package-name> |
| 23:11.15 | hagna | infinitycircuit: woot |
| 23:11.29 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: sure, there are ways of designing a 32bit architecture which are insanely inefficient |
| 23:11.41 | daedalus_ | minus198: tell them to change it, and ban them with the warning message. |
| 23:11.54 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: how does less cache size and less main memory size affect speed...? I understand disk<->memory time having an effect, but that's not necessarily a limitation of the CPU |
| 23:12.04 | minus198 | daedalus_$> nah.. I just want to do it for a joke :P No serious stuff :P |
| 23:12.24 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: retreiving from main memory takes time. Getting stuff from disk to main memory takes time. |
| 23:12.45 | twobitsprite | well, your memory bus is twice as thick on a 64bit system, no? |
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| 23:12.58 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: not necessarily |
| 23:13.04 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: But you're assuming that "more cache" is available if you run a 64-bit processor in 32-bit mode. You might be shooting yourself in the foot and only getting half. |
| 23:13.15 | twobitsprite | we're talking about IA32 vs. amd64, right? |
| 23:13.24 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: no. |
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| 23:13.39 | dondelelcaro | I'm talking about 64bit vs 32bit in general, not a particular architecture |
| 23:13.47 | ameyer | there are reasons to run in 32 bit mode if you're talking the intel architecture |
| 23:14.01 | ameyer | *talking about |
| 23:14.14 | twobitsprite | well... if we don't know what systems we're talking about then we can't make any assumptions at all and this whole conversation is moot... sure, if you have a 64bit system with serial memory vs a 12bit system and a 128 memory bus... |
| 23:14.29 | ameyer | not so much for other architectures, I imagine |
| 23:14.34 | dondelelcaro | daedalus_: I'm assuming that the same physical amount number of bits are available, and that the architecture is sane |
| 23:14.45 | abrotman | so .. not x86 |
| 23:14.47 | abrotman | runs |
| 23:14.54 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: there are more reasons for other architectures, actually. |
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| 23:15.23 | daedalus_ | dondelelcaro: you've not really done any architecture work have you? "Sane" has a great many meanings. One of which is "fit on the damn die" |
| 23:15.53 | daedalus_ | Anyway, I think all useful discourse on this topic has been exhausted. |
| 23:15.56 | rcbarnes | I can't seem to figure out how to un-forbid-version for a package. How is it done? |
| 23:16.08 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: tell aptitude to install that version. |
| 23:16.31 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: Oh. Thanks! |
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| 23:28.41 | hellues | hey |
| 23:28.47 | Smerdyakov | Bushmills, wols, I have the dist-upgrade proceeding again, after editing /var/lib/dpkg/status, removing mentions of triggers for the package that was getting the complaints. Thanks for the help! |
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| 23:29.03 | hellues | i have a problem i was downloading mplayer from debia.multimedia.org |
| 23:29.10 | assasukasse | hello everyone |
| 23:29.18 | hellues | but it gives error lthats 494 not found |
| 23:29.20 | assasukasse | on a new install im having a problem |
| 23:29.24 | assasukasse | with the xorg.conf |
| 23:29.25 | hellues | what is the problem in this addres |
| 23:29.30 | assasukasse | seems i can't get xv to work |
| 23:29.40 | assasukasse | im running fglrx |
| 23:29.45 | daedalus_ | hellues: debian-multimedia.org |
| 23:29.45 | hellues | Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main mplayer 1:1.0.rc2svn20071207-0.3 |
| 23:29.45 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.37 | daedalus_ | hellues: atp-get update? |
| 23:31.22 | hellues | i do aptitude update |
| 23:31.55 | hellues | interesting that works why gives such mistake i wonder |
| 23:32.47 | Bushmills | hellues: did you put a slash between testing and main into your source? |
| 23:33.23 | daedalus_ | hellues: Dunno. I don't use aptitiude, so I can't really comment |
| 23:33.27 | hellues | yeah |
| 23:33.44 | Bushmills | doesn't look right to me |
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| 23:35.19 | daedalus_ | hellues: put a space instead of a slash |
| 23:35.54 | daedalus_ | hellues: or better yet, consult debian-multimedia.org (website) and get the appropriate sources.list line |
| 23:36.16 | hellues | i copied and pasted it from apt-get.org |
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| 23:36.46 | daedalus_ | hellues: Some people make mistakes. Apt-get might strip it out, and save some people's bacon. It's still wrong. |
| 23:37.14 | hellues | hmm actually it worked |
| 23:37.24 | hellues | but one minutes before |
| 23:37.36 | hellues | this add gives error 404 not foudn |
| 23:37.44 | hellues | i guess address is not stable |
| 23:37.46 | daedalus_ | Dunno |
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| 23:38.13 | hellues | anyway problem fixed |
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| 23:49.20 | hellues | rammstein du hast |
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| 23:52.50 | mxmx | hi |
| 23:53.10 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 23:53.10 | mxmx | i amupgrading my vesion and its stuck in |
| 23:53.11 | mxmx | The directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686 still exists. Continuing as directed. |
| 23:53.17 | mxmx | its not doin g anything |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | how fast is the machine ? |
| 23:53.27 | mxmx | debian etch |
| 23:53.36 | mxmx | ceeron 2.8 |
| 23:53.38 | mxmx | server |
| 23:53.42 | mxmx | celeron |
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| 23:54.03 | mxmx | i had a message about rebooting after installation |
| 23:54.10 | mxmx | but " not right now"" |
| 23:54.40 | Lagbolt | !enter |
| 23:54.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 23:54.48 | mxmx | sorry |
| 23:55.13 | mxmx | whell should i close my ssh connection? wait? |
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| 23:56.12 | Lagbolt | mxmx, i am confused. you upgraded a kernel via ssh and now want to know if you should reboot? when you got the dir already exists did it ask you if you wanted to continue? |
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| 23:56.35 | mxmx | it didnt ask anything, just told me i should reboot after installation |
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| 23:57.22 | Lagbolt | mxmx, sounds like upgraded version of already existing kern so it warns you about the woes of installing over a kern that is in use. |
| 23:57.37 | mxmx | ok |
| 23:58.10 | mxmx | but i am not able totype any other commands atm, |
| 23:58.45 | Lagbolt | but unless you can be more specific about the warning i cant be sure. i have seen a warning about this when i installed a packaged kern same as one currently in use. never had any trouble but the message you said was sort of vague. |
| 23:58.55 | Lagbolt | oh you cant? you lost your connection? |
| 23:59.03 | mxmx | hmmm |
| 23:59.09 | mxmx | maybe i did |
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| 23:59.34 | mxmx | let me restart putty see what happens |
| 23:59.42 | Lagbolt | can you ssh back to it? |
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| 23:59.48 | mxmx | on it |
| 23:59.56 | mxmx | the website on the server is running fine |
