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| 00:00.50 | tim_s_ | mm: output of your ls -ld says 1904 |
| 00:01.41 | Quintin | I need some money quicklike. Anyone want to buy 1 or 5 22" LCD monitors? |
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| 00:02.11 | PiousMinion | Quintin: price? :) |
| 00:02.16 | Quintin | PiousMinion: you tell me. |
| 00:02.22 | JordiGH | dwschool: I don't know much about apache, but have you installed the mod_php or whatever thingie in apache? Have you restarted apache after that? |
| 00:02.25 | PiousMinion | All identical? |
| 00:02.33 | Quintin | PiousMinion: yes. |
| 00:03.48 | Quintin | :\ |
| 00:04.08 | dwschool | i have, it seems to only be doing it with some files, some are working |
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| 00:06.55 | ProN00b | this etch box i am working with seems to have a custom kernel compiled and installed, how do i revert to default ? |
| 00:07.11 | tim_s_ | dwschool: have the none working ones got php extension |
| 00:07.22 | PiousMinion | ProN00b: tried removing it? |
| 00:07.38 | ProN00b | PiousMinion, how do i find it ? |
| 00:08.16 | PiousMinion | ProN00b: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 00:08.35 | PiousMinion | ProN00b: OR dpkg -l | grep kernel be creative. |
| 00:09.05 | ArthurArchnix | good site for checking stuff like that, without having to switch browsers, boxes, etc... http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 00:09.08 | PiousMinion | If it wasn't installed via a package then it won't apear there. |
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| 00:09.32 | ProN00b | either way how would i just install the current etch kernel ? |
| 00:09.42 | ProN00b | apt-get install linux-image |
| 00:09.43 | ProN00b | ? |
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| 00:09.51 | Quintin | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5131739#post5131739 ^ |
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| 00:10.04 | jelly-home | ProN00b: which cpu do you have? |
| 00:10.11 | ProN00b | celeron 220 |
| 00:10.19 | PiousMinion | ProN00b: I would use "apt-cache search linux-image" to find one you like, then install it with apt-get install. |
| 00:10.28 | jelly-home | ProN00b: is it an i386 or an amd64 installation? |
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| 00:10.42 | ProN00b | i386 |
| 00:10.48 | PiousMinion | I prefer to install kernels that will actually run on my hardware, but that's just me. :) |
| 00:10.58 | jelly-home | ProN00b: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:11.40 | jelly-home | ProN00b: if you have more than 3GiB RAM, linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 00:12.24 | jelly-home | ProN00b: "apt-cache search linux-image-2.6" will show you all the available similar packages; also /msg dpkg search |
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| 00:13.11 | AwesomeGuy_ | can debian connect to a netbios server? |
| 00:13.33 | PiousMinion | What's a netbios server? |
| 00:13.47 | AwesomeGuy_ | you don't know what netbios is? |
| 00:13.56 | AwesomeGuy_ | the windows default networking thing |
| 00:14.05 | JordiGH | windows. |
| 00:14.09 | AwesomeGuy_ | can debian connect to a windows netbios network somehow |
| 00:14.15 | PiousMinion | No, I do, but I don't know what a netbios server. If you're asking if it can browse windows shares then the answer is yes. |
| 00:14.28 | Vorbote | AwesomeGuy_: sure it can. Either try mounting it as a cifs filesystem or use the smb facilities of your desktop of choice. |
| 00:14.45 | AwesomeGuy_ | smb? |
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| 00:15.38 | PiousMinion | AwesomeGuy_ --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Message_Block |
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| 00:16.17 | PiousMinion | basicly, windows file and printer sharing. |
| 00:17.36 | AwesomeGuy_ | know any good programs for connecting to a network with it from debian? |
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| 00:18.09 | JordiGH | meh |
| 00:18.09 | JordiGH | AwesomeGuy: Samba. |
| 00:18.26 | PiousMinion | gnome has built-in support via nautilus |
| 00:18.30 | JordiGH | Konqueror. |
| 00:18.32 | JordiGH | Or Nautilus. |
| 00:18.33 | PiousMinion | that too |
| 00:19.14 | AwesomeGuy_ | so if my laptop is connected to wifi connected to a netbios-useing network, I can use that to do stuff on it? |
| 00:19.22 | PiousMinion | yes |
| 00:19.43 | AwesomeGuy_ | so Nautilus? |
| 00:19.51 | AwesomeGuy_ | I think I've seen that name before, peobably have it |
| 00:19.57 | PiousMinion | that depends on the desktop enviroment you use. |
| 00:20.06 | AwesomeGuy_ | Gnome, etch |
| 00:20.07 | PiousMinion | If you have gnome.... you have nautilus. |
| 00:20.09 | AwesomeGuy_ | network manager |
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| 00:20.38 | JordiGH | AwesomeGuy: When you open a filesystem browser window, that's Nautilus, and you should be able to find Windows shares easily. |
| 00:20.54 | AwesomeGuy_ | cool |
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| 00:21.14 | JordiGH | AwesomeGuy: Maybe you want to go to Places -> Network. |
| 00:21.27 | PiousMinion | you lost him. :P |
| 00:21.36 | JordiGH | Meh. |
| 00:24.25 | JoCat | Did you ever hear the one about the dyslexic devil worshiper? |
| 00:24.34 | JoCat | He sold his soul to Santa. |
| 00:24.44 | JordiGH | I saw that coming. |
| 00:24.48 | JordiGH | And you're offtopic. :-) |
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| 00:25.15 | [Elvis] | hej guys |
| 00:25.19 | [Elvis] | how can I get nfs4 ? |
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| 00:26.53 | sdubois92 | i am trying to compile mutt and i get this |
| 00:26.55 | JoCat | Oh shi. Wrong chat room. |
| 00:26.55 | sdubois92 | http://pastebin.com/m57703fdb |
| 00:26.58 | JoCat | Sorry. |
| 00:27.02 | avgj0e | hahahahahha |
| 00:27.08 | avgj0e | now *that( was funny |
| 00:27.45 | JoCat | I guess that's why the other guys didn't know dick about nVidia drivers. |
| 00:27.47 | JoCat | j/k |
| 00:28.06 | avgj0e | heh |
| 00:28.35 | avgj0e | the kids want to know why I'm laughing. heh |
| 00:28.41 | JoCat | I have a question: After I reboot my machine, KDM crashes with no error, no backtrace, nada. |
| 00:28.54 | avgj0e | bzzzt. that's a statement. |
| 00:29.01 | JoCat | It's coming. |
| 00:29.12 | JoCat | I reinstall my nVidia driver and KDM boots up fine. |
| 00:29.25 | JoCat | Where should I start looking for 'googlable' phrases? |
| 00:29.31 | JoCat | The log says nothing. |
| 00:29.33 | JoCat | Not even an error. |
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| 00:32.44 | tim_s_ | Elvis: server should support v4 - client needs to specify version i.e. mount -t nfs4 server:/data /data |
| 00:32.51 | ProN00b | uhm, what bootloaders can i choose from ? |
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| 00:33.15 | [Elvis] | guys |
| 00:33.15 | [Elvis] | how can I see what version of nfs I'm running |
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| 00:35.22 | Pryon | [Elvis]: dpkg -l packagename |
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| 00:37.22 | krim | I just read that compiz is in lenny. does that mean that using it is as easy as installing via aptitude? |
| 00:37.36 | JordiGH | krim: Yes, but it currently has a packaging bug. |
| 00:37.44 | tim_s_ | Elvis: nfs runs several protocol versions v2 v3 v4 on current version you need to specify nfs4 in mount command in /etc/fstab |
| 00:38.33 | krim | JordiGH: Nice, thanks |
| 00:39.29 | JordiGH | krim: You might want to try the unstable compiz where the packaging bug was fixed. It didn't pull in any unstable dependencies into my lenny lappy, and it's been working fine and dandy so far. In fact, I love it. |
| 00:41.02 | ProN00b | how do i set the default kernel to boot ? |
| 00:41.14 | JordiGH | Actually, I'm not sure if the packaging bug was fixed in unstable, but it's currently not there. It might creep in later, though. It's #483819. |
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| 00:44.22 | wols_ | ProN00b: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 00:56.27 | madk | i have different versions of unison. how do i get both pc to have the same version? |
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| 01:02.18 | krim | JordiGH: I haven't installed lenny yet, I'm thinking about waiting for it to become stable. But thanks anyway :) |
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| 01:15.46 | karsten | madk: There's something epistomologically disturbing about that question |
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| 01:16.06 | karsten | madk: What OSs at either end? |
| 01:16.15 | karsten | madk: .. and in general: install the same version at either side. |
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| 01:17.42 | karancho | hi guys |
| 01:18.34 | karancho | a question... a router in bridge mode, need a ip address? |
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| 01:19.58 | madk | karancho, debian lenny and linux mint (kind of ubuntu... kind of debian :) ). i manually downloaded an older version and installed it with dpkg -i does aptitude offer a possibility for downgrading? |
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| 01:20.55 | wwasher | should i believe aptitude's telling me that apt is now obsolete for testing/lenny and remove it? :P |
| 01:20.56 | magdalene | karancho, doesn't *need* an IP address, but it can help for remote administration. |
| 01:22.18 | magdalene | *stretches* her claws out from under the #debian_fern and sharpens them on the nearby couch |
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| 01:22.57 | karancho | magdalene: you rigth, thanks! |
| 01:23.01 | magdalene | *kritch* *skritch* *krich* |
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| 01:24.01 | john__ | i get a gnome settings error, bonobo error, a bunch of windows asking if i want to delete some gnome thing and a nautlius error. |
| 01:24.04 | john__ | that's my errors |
| 01:24.19 | karsten | madk: Not in general. |
| 01:24.21 | john__ | i'm new to debian so i'm not that good |
| 01:24.26 | john__ | and karsten, this is mm you were helping me earlier |
| 01:24.45 | karsten | madk: Not very familiar with unison, but what's the problem with differen versions? Is there no way to make the newer version backwards-compatible? |
| 01:24.46 | madk | karsten which means... |
| 01:24.59 | karsten | john__: OK, what was the issue? GNOME IIRC? |
| 01:25.13 | john__ | when i login with gnome i get errors |
| 01:25.14 | john__ | i get a gnome settings error, bonobo error, a bunch of windows asking if i want to delete some gnome thing and a nautlius error. |
| 01:25.18 | madk | karsten, no. you need two version very close to each other. |
| 01:25.34 | madk | 2.1 and 2.11 would work, i had 2.3 and 2.1 :/ |
| 01:25.45 | karsten | madk: downgrading isn't supported. You may be able to install specific versions using aptitude, but that can get tricky. |
| 01:25.55 | karsten | madk: Sounds as if unison may not be the tool you want for this job. |
| 01:26.18 | madk | karsten, the automatic updater already wants to install the newer version -.- |
| 01:26.23 | karsten | madk: There's folks who've got a whole lot of mileage managing systems under version control: cvs, svn, git, hg, etc. |
| 01:26.36 | karsten | madk: you _can_ pin packages. |
| 01:26.51 | madk | karsten, no, no, unison is exact what i want :) |
| 01:27.04 | karsten | john__: yeah. I saw your followup comments. I was having you test to see if it was possibly a user configuration rather than an installation problem. Smells like an installation problem. |
| 01:27.08 | madk | what is "pin packages"? sth. like white/blacklist? |
| 01:27.12 | ProN00b | omg, how annoying, this hoster builds kernels for you and installing debian default kernel renders the machine unbootable |
| 01:27.16 | karsten | !tell madk about pinning |
| 01:27.30 | karsten | ProN00b: DDTT :) |
| 01:27.51 | karsten | !tell ProN00b about ddtt |
| 01:28.06 | karsten | ProN00b: can you boot the old kernel? |
| 01:28.16 | magdalene | hrm |
| 01:28.26 | ProN00b | what old kernel ? |
| 01:28.38 | karsten | ProN00b: The one that booted. |
| 01:28.51 | ProN00b | oh, there was nothing on that box yet |
| 01:29.00 | karsten | magdalene: May I suggest the Hrmocrattic oath? |
| 01:29.07 | karsten | magdalene: ... first, do no hrm. |
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| 01:29.20 | john__ | sorry |
| 01:29.24 | john__ | did anyone say anythikng before i left? |
| 01:29.46 | ProN00b | but i need another kernel, because theirs are incompatible with debians cryptsetup utility |
| 01:29.54 | karsten | john__: yeah. I saw your followup comments. I was having you test to see if it was possibly a user configuration rather than an installation problem. Smells like an installation problem. |
| 01:30.19 | karsten | ProN00b: can you build a compatible kernel using their config as starting point? |
| 01:30.30 | karsten | ProN00b: Alternatively, there's some new userspace crypto stuff. |
| 01:30.33 | madk | karrotx, hmmm. thanks. to complicated for me at this time. |
| 01:30.36 | madk | gn8 |
| 01:30.44 | wols_ | ProN00b: what was their kernel and which debian kernel did you use (versions)? |
| 01:31.21 | ProN00b | they had .24 and i think also .23 to choose from, and i installed default etch .18 i think |
| 01:31.42 | wols_ | !tell ProN00b about kmuto |
| 01:31.53 | john__ | karsten: so what do you think i should do? |
| 01:32.18 | john__ | karsten: can you paste where i named the errors i got? |
| 01:32.25 | ProN00b | wols_, huh ? |
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| 01:33.44 | karsten | 18:25 < john__> i get a gnome settings error, bonobo error, a bunch of windows asking if i want to delete some gnome thing and a nautlius error. |
| 01:33.57 | john__ | karsten: woo good |
| 01:34.08 | john__ | i'll wait for help here and ask my friend on msn if he can help |
| 01:34.16 | karsten | john__: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors |
| 01:34.22 | karsten | john__: ... pastebin those if you can |
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| 01:34.26 | karsten | !tell john__ about pastebin |
| 01:34.29 | john__ | i know |
| 01:34.31 | john__ | :P |
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| 01:34.40 | karsten | john__: Console-mode browsers can do that for you if you can't launch X |
| 01:34.46 | john__ | ahh why did two bots have to tell me ;_; |
| 01:34.50 | karsten | john__: w3m, elinks, elinks2, frex. |
| 01:34.58 | karsten | john__: :) |
| 01:35.29 | wols | ProN00b: have you found the kmuto installers? |
| 01:35.38 | ProN00b | what should i do with them ? |
| 01:35.46 | wols | use them? |
| 01:35.50 | ProN00b | its not like i have physical access to the machine to pop in a disk or anything |
| 01:36.07 | wols | but you must be able to install debian or you wouldn't be here |
| 01:36.15 | ProN00b | also i doubt i can't boot .18 kernel because its too old |
| 01:36.20 | wols | and the .18 kernel won't work with your server's chipset (too new) |
| 01:36.22 | ProN00b | wols, its a remote server... |
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| 01:36.34 | wols | it's vrey likely that it's too old |
| 01:37.03 | wols | my p35 mobo can't use .18 either since the sata is not supported there. I have to use a newer kernel |
| 01:37.19 | magdalene | tosses karsten a free #debian_herbivore t-shirt in neon green |
| 01:37.20 | wols | ProN00b: how did you try to install debian then? |
| 01:37.28 | magdalene | here you go |
| 01:37.31 | ProN00b | -_- |
| 01:37.55 | john__ | ^_^ |
| 01:38.06 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:38.15 | john__ | ohai |
| 01:38.16 | magdalene | nice and bright, easy to stalk..i mean see in the dark ... i mean .. here you go |
| 01:38.24 | magdalene | :) |
| 01:38.27 | john__ | can i have a shirt |
| 01:38.31 | PhrkOnLsh | I have a script that connects via ssh to a remote host and when I try to daemonize it from Konsole it will only last about 5 minutes before the connection is reset, or until I enter a new command at terminal. Why is this? |
| 01:38.34 | john__ | i'm too fat forr my shirts |
| 01:38.43 | john__ | and i know debian shirts are made for fat geeks |
| 01:38.47 | john__ | so please ;_; |
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| 01:39.09 | magdalene | yes of course *GRIN* i have one here in safety orange for YOU |
| 01:39.10 | karsten | dips magdalene's t-shirt in pate foi gras and eats it. |
| 01:39.24 | karsten | ProN00b: remote hands. |
| 01:39.25 | magdalene | mmm already stuffed |
| 01:39.31 | magdalene | =) |
| 01:39.58 | fatass | shaddup |
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| 01:40.08 | wols | PhrkOnLsh: seems server has a idle timeout |
| 01:40.12 | john__ | :O |
| 01:40.28 | ghosTM55 | i just found i don't have gcc manpage , where to get it ? |
| 01:40.51 | magdalene | i was referring to karsten's help with the kitchen prep |
| 01:41.19 | PhrkOnLsh | why does the daemonized script die when I run a command? |
| 01:41.41 | magdalene | because god loves you? |
| 01:41.45 | karsten | PhrkOnLsh: Check your keepalive values. There's one in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive* |
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| 01:41.53 | magdalene | Phrikonlsh? |
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| 01:42.00 | PhrkOnLsh | on the remote or local, karsten ? |
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| 01:42.07 | karsten | PhrkOnLsh: man 5 proc for details. |
| 01:42.12 | jaggz1 | Why is man aptitude showing me formatting codes? \fBinstall\fR |
| 01:42.17 | karsten | ghosTM55: install the gcc-doc package. |
| 01:42.28 | ghosTM55 | karsten: okay , thx for hep |
| 01:42.32 | ghosTM55 | s/hep/help |
| 01:42.34 | karsten | ghosTM55: NP |
| 01:43.33 | karsten | ghosTM55: I've been called a hep cat... |
| 01:43.33 | john__ | anyone know my problem? |
| 01:43.37 | magdalene | *lurks* in the foilage of the #debian_fern and pretends to be away |
| 01:43.38 | karsten | ghosTM55: ... though not in this lifetime. |
| 01:43.39 | ghosTM55 | karsten: i don't have this package in my Lenny/Sid |
| 01:44.27 | karsten | ghosTM55: gcc-<version>-doc |
| 01:44.36 | karsten | ghosTM55: aptitude search gcc | grep doc |
| 01:44.55 | jaggz1 | Man is, on some documents, showing me formatting codes. For example, "man aptitude" is showing many \fBtext\fR lines -- while it still formats other lines, indents them, shows them in bold, etc. |
| 01:44.57 | karsten | ghosTM55: Options look to be 2.95, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, and gcc-doc |
| 01:45.10 | karsten | jaggz1: That's a bug. |
| 01:45.26 | ghosTM55 | is checking the package.debian.org |
| 01:45.26 | karsten | jaggz1: There's an automated tool that creates the manpages and goofs the escape codes. |
| 01:45.37 | ghosTM55 | karsten: i've aptitude searched it , didn't find it |
| 01:45.56 | karsten | moves magdalene's fern to #debian_fern_bar |
| 01:46.05 | karsten | ghosTM55: lenny/unstable |
| 01:46.22 | ghosTM55 | karsten: |
| 01:46.42 | ghosTM55 | ghosTunix:/home/txi/programming/c/test# aptitude search gcc | grep doc |
| 01:46.42 | ghosTM55 | ghosTunix:/home/txi/programming/c/test# |
| 01:46.42 | ghosTM55 | karsten: seee , nothing |
| 01:46.46 | jaggz1 | karsten, ohh.. thanks |
| 01:47.12 | jaggz1 | Wow, I have a lot of apps, including my kernel, in state "p U" .. saying they're from untrusted sources |
| 01:47.18 | karsten | jaggz1: I've seen thouse from time to time. |
| 01:47.27 | ghosTM55 | karsten: okay |
| 01:47.29 | karsten | jaggz1: /topic, see apt-key |
| 01:48.17 | karsten | john__: WRT your gnome stuff: my suggestion is to ask in #gnome, or switch to a real desktop environment. I prefer either KDE or XFCE4, though I actually run WindowMaker. |
| 01:48.27 | karsten | john__: Gnome keeps getting really annoying bugs IME. |
| 01:48.49 | magdalene | if and when karsten gets within striking range magdalene will tear little #debian_bite_sized_chunks out of him with her retractable inner jaw |
| 01:48.50 | john__ | i love gnome :( |
| 01:48.56 | john__ | a panel at the top and a panel at the bottom |
| 01:49.17 | karsten | magdalene: Promises, promises. |
| 01:49.29 | john__ | KDE is like windows.. just one bar where you can add more bars but damnit. if i want a taskbar i'll use windows |
| 01:49.44 | john__ | i'll ask in gnome |
| 01:49.52 | karsten | john__: You can enable/disable and/or hide taskbars in KDE. |
| 01:49.53 | magdalene | who said you can't play with your food |
| 01:50.06 | jaggz1 | I updated my ssl stuff I thought .. I stayed at etch though |
| 01:50.31 | john__ | karsten: i know :P |
| 01:50.38 | PhrkOnLsh | john__: I like KDe's customisability over GNOME's... I use both of them on my system but more often login to KDE |
| 01:50.38 | john__ | i dont play with my foot |
| 01:50.39 | john__ | food |
| 01:50.48 | wols | ghosTM55: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:51.07 | karsten | john__: You're clearly not an organist. |
| 01:51.08 | jaggz1 | sometimes play with your food and sometimes put your foot in your mouth |
| 01:51.17 | karsten | avoids any obvious commentary about playing organs. |
| 01:51.21 | PhrkOnLsh | I also use enlightenment, fluxbox and icewm, but KDE is definitely my favorite |
| 01:51.44 | jaggz1 | I went with kde and have been pretty happy.. first time using it |
| 01:51.47 | john__ | karsten: i'm used to windows "dekstop environment" |
| 01:51.50 | karsten | ... in a bit of not-so-deft soft-pedeling. |
| 01:52.00 | ghosTM55 | wols: i'm apt-get update now , i know what to do , thx for help |
| 01:52.03 | john__ | i'm only using linux on this imac g3 because it brings it to life and my other computer's broken at the moment |
| 01:52.14 | john__ | i'm building a computer so i'm gonna say goodbye linux when i'm done |
| 01:52.14 | wols | ghosTM55: don't install gcc, install build-essential |
| 01:52.15 | jaggz1 | I've liked how the project seemed to progress as I peeked at it for years -- in particular, bumping into it when researching on I18N |
| 01:52.46 | karsten | john__: I'd think KDE is pretty close to that, or can get there. There are themes for a number of window managers which provide at least the appearance fo Windows, and most of the gross behavior, though I find that you get the "near valley" problem. |
| 01:53.08 | jaggz1 | I don't get it.. what am I looking for with apt-key to fix these "p U" packages? (Purge, but marked to be updated??) |
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| 01:53.10 | john__ | karsten: no it's like crossdressing |
| 01:53.16 | magdalene | i like mine to think it has a chance of escaping just before i rip its underbelly out |
| 01:53.30 | ghosTM55 | wols: i've installed it |
| 01:53.41 | magdalene | KDE is pretty |
| 01:53.43 | john__ | karsten: but i'll just use KDE for now sinec i wont be on here long |
| 01:53.43 | jaggz1 | ah, googled for it.. n/m |
| 01:53.54 | magdalene | KDE enlightenment is better |
| 01:54.03 | john__ | I'm your answer |
| 01:54.05 | john__ | oops |
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| 01:54.18 | karsten | jaggz1: FWIW, You can also build KDE under MacPorts for OS X. If you've got a few days. |
| 01:54.28 | john__ | whats today's date? |
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| 01:54.52 | wols | 6/7/08 |
| 01:54.55 | wols | but depends on timezone |
| 01:54.57 | john__ | 6 7 8 |
| 01:55.00 | john__ | woo |
| 01:55.03 | magdalene | heh, wander closer and I'll have you for.. I mean as... ah.. to.. right to dinner |
| 01:55.12 | john__ | i liked the date 6/6/6 personally |
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| 01:55.19 | karsten | john__: What or who? |
| 01:55.20 | wols | wonders if magdalene has any debian related question |
| 01:55.30 | karsten | wols: Ferns. |
| 01:55.46 | wols | karsten: huh? |
| 01:55.56 | magdalene | why is kde the only windowing system that will combine with enlightenment |
| 01:55.58 | karsten | wols: #debian_ferns |
| 01:56.11 | john__ | my clock keeps changing to the wrong date, hwo do i save the time |
| 01:56.12 | john__ | date |
| 01:56.17 | karsten | magdalene: Is it? And how? |
| 01:56.26 | wols | john__: depends how it changes exactly and when |
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| 01:56.32 | karsten | !tell john__ about set time |
| 01:56.55 | magdalene | can you open enlightenment with icewm? |
| 01:57.10 | karsten | john__: hwclock -u; aptitude install ntpdate chrony; /etc/init.d/chrony stop; ntpdate time.apple.com; /etc/init.d/chrony start |
| 01:57.17 | wols | magdalene: your trolling isn't getting any better |
| 01:57.31 | ProN00b | wols, how would i get access to those kernel backports you have been talking about earlyer with apt-get ? |
| 01:57.32 | magdalene | wols: i answer what i can |
| 01:57.41 | wols | ProN00b: they're lenny kernels |
| 01:57.47 | karsten | magdalene: Well, E is a window manager. KDE still allows some swappage of WMs, I believe, though I'm not positive about that. |
| 01:57.54 | wols | !tell ProN00b about backports |
| 01:58.07 | karsten | magdalene: For a time you could run, say, WindowMaker, E, or kwm under KDE. |
| 01:58.18 | karsten | wols: She attacks and shreds the rest. |
| 01:58.24 | john__ | bash: /etc/init.d/chrony: No such file or directory |
| 01:58.24 | john__ | bash: ntpdate: command not found |
| 01:58.24 | john__ | bash: /etc/init.d/chrony: No such file or directory |
| 01:58.25 | magdalene | *grin* |
| 01:58.43 | wols | doesn't give a fuck what she does. if she needs more cybersex, she should do it elsewhere |
| 01:58.46 | john__ | nobody do the !pastebin, it's three lines ;-; |
| 01:58.52 | ninjaslim | if my laptop is connected to another wireless network, and my desktop is connected to my local, how can i use ssh to connect to my desktop from my laptop, would i need the actual ip of my desktop |
| 01:59.01 | jaggz1 | karsten, heh.. osx probably handles international languages pretty well I figure. |
| 01:59.03 | john__ | people do the !pastebin to me sometimes even if it's two lines gr |
| 01:59.07 | wols | john__: have you missed the apt-get install bit? |
| 01:59.20 | john__ | wols: dunno |
| 01:59.24 | jaggz1 | but I'm on pc's anyway |
| 01:59.27 | karsten | john__: Well, install it first. That's the full sequence I gave you. |
| 01:59.29 | wols | john__: from them look of it you did |
| 01:59.37 | jaggz1 | darned thinkpad doesn't have a win key for me to map :) |
| 01:59.43 | magdalene | gives wols a free #debian_herbivore t-shirt |
| 02:00.05 | magdalene | ninjaslim: not if you have your laptop okayed through your router |
| 02:00.10 | magdalene | or firewall |
| 02:00.39 | ninjaslim | magdalene: wait what do you mean, i can just use local ips |
| 02:00.50 | wols | ninjaslim: you can't. at least not easily. you are on two different networks |
| 02:01.07 | wols | ninjaslim: you canot use local ips from two different networks. they're well, local |
| 02:01.13 | ninjaslim | wols: well that's what i thought |
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| 02:01.21 | ninjaslim | wols: so i'd have to use external ips then |
| 02:01.30 | wols | ninjaslim: yes, or use a VPN |
| 02:01.31 | WormFood | jaggz1, I'm glad my thinkpad does not have those god damn windows keys |
| 02:01.32 | karsten | ninjaslim: If you've got two systems on two seperate private networks, absent tunneling or forwarding, you can't. |
| 02:01.33 | magdalene | ninjaslim: then you just open the ssh port and point your laptop (im assuming your laptop is outside on a routable IP) at the outside port of your router |
| 02:01.43 | wols | ninjaslim: but your connection would still go over the internet and make it slow |
| 02:01.53 | karsten | ninjaslim: If you've got two systems on the *same* or *routeable* private subnets, you can ssh to the IP of the other host. |
| 02:02.07 | jaggz1 | holy mackerel.. why are all these packages in "p" (purge!?) state!? |
| 02:02.19 | karsten | jaggz1: That's default state. |
| 02:02.20 | jaggz1 | I went to check the version of debian-keyring .. |
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| 02:02.28 | jaggz1 | oh |
| 02:02.29 | magdalene | if they are on the same 192. or 10. you they will see each other ninjaslim |
| 02:02.40 | john__ | i just need help using te KDE time thing |
| 02:02.41 | jaggz1 | I thought it was "i".. is p for aptitude's dependency management? |
| 02:02.49 | jaggz1 | john, the time thing? |
| 02:02.54 | john__ | i click on it and put 2008-6-6 |
| 02:02.58 | john__ | click enter |
| 02:02.59 | john__ | then close it out |
| 02:03.02 | jaggz1 | WormFood, it would be nice to have another modifier though |
| 02:03.03 | ninjaslim | magdalene: that i know, i'm not sure how to open an ssh port as i've never done that before |
| 02:03.15 | john__ | is there a way to save it since i'm not familiar with this cooky kde thing >_< |
| 02:03.21 | karsten | jaggz1: 'dpkg -l' gives you an interpretation key as the first four lines of output. |
| 02:03.35 | wols | john__: "save" what? |
| 02:03.40 | karsten | john__: Save what? The time? |
| 02:03.40 | john__ | in KDE |
| 02:03.42 | jaggz1 | you install, and configure sshd in /etc/ssh/ (might not need to config it), and you also need to allow sshd in /etc/hosts.allow |
| 02:03.46 | john__ | I click on the clock to change the date |
| 02:03.53 | john__ | there's a text field where it tells you the date in numbers |
| 02:04.03 | john__ | and i just put my date since i dont wanna scroll from 1900 to 2008 |
| 02:04.06 | john__ | click enter and it sets |
| 02:04.10 | karsten | john__: 'date -d <time you want to set, eg: June 6 2008 19:05:00> |
| 02:04.12 | john__ | but i close it out and it's back to 1904 |
| 02:04.15 | magdalene | ninjaslim: am i understanding that your laptop is on a routable outside IP? as in a regular web IP eg: 24.36.78.134 |
| 02:04.32 | ninjaslim | magdalene: yes |
| 02:04.45 | john__ | karsten: in terminal? |
| 02:04.52 | wols | john__: yes. as root |
| 02:04.53 | jaggz1 | un debian-keyring ... looks like it's "uninstalled" and "not" .. :) |
| 02:05.08 | john__ | root@debian:/home/john# date -d June 6 2008 |
| 02:05.08 | john__ | date: extra operand `2008' |
| 02:05.08 | john__ | Try `date --help' for more information. |
| 02:05.08 | john__ | root@debian:/home/john# |
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| 02:05.16 | john__ | dolnt do the !pastebin |
| 02:05.21 | magdalene | Ninjaslim and you are coming through a router?/ |
| 02:05.29 | ninjaslim | magdalene: yes |
| 02:05.30 | john__ | dont do it dpkg bot |
| 02:05.47 | jaggz1 | run "man date" to see the format |
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| 02:06.34 | john__ | Fri Jun 6 00:00:00 EDT 2008 |
| 02:06.35 | magdalene | Ninjaslim: then you set your webbrowser to the internal address of your router, type in your admin and password, and open port 22 in your router, |
| 02:06.36 | john__ | thats all it said |
| 02:06.40 | john__ | date's still cooky |
| 02:06.45 | karsten | john__: The format is pretty freeform. |
| 02:06.58 | john__ | i want the date at the bottom right to be correct |
| 02:07.02 | john__ | not 1904 |
| 02:07.16 | magdalene | Ninjaslim and you have to start the ssh server on your debian server inside |
| 02:07.22 | john__ | unless that's the year : |
| 02:07.25 | karsten | john__: You need the 'info' page for date to get a list of specs, but 'June 6, 2008 19:06:00' should work. |
| 02:07.31 | karsten | john__: Yeah, we got that. |
| 02:07.37 | john__ | karsten: welll |
| 02:07.53 | ninjaslim | magdalene: it's up and running, so let me give this a try, now what would be the command for this, i'd have to connect to the router and it'd forward or what? |
| 02:07.56 | magdalene | Ninjaslim: generally /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 02:07.56 | Quintin | Failed to start the firewall. The device ath0 is not ready. Please check your network device settings and make sure your Internet Connection is active. |
| 02:07.57 | john__ | karsten: i highlight the bottom RIGHT AND IT says friday 01 january 1904 |
| 02:07.59 | Quintin | I'm trying to use firestarter to share eth0 using a wifi card |
| 02:08.03 | john__ | i can change it by clicking on the clock right there |
| 02:08.08 | jaggz1 | Oh... "unfortunately the release files on the CDs/DVDs aren't signed for logistical reasons" .. so I think those might be a bunch of packages from the initial dvd |
| 02:08.13 | john__ | but it doesnt set it just revert back to 1904 |
| 02:08.18 | jaggz1 | john, also see "man clock" |
| 02:08.23 | jaggz1 | or hwclock |
| 02:08.52 | karsten | john__: use the fucking terminal, as root. |
| 02:08.56 | john__ | i did |
| 02:09.09 | ninjaslim | magdalene: now here's what i'd like to know, say i sshfs and mount a dir from my debian box on my laptop, then use that to play music would it be slow, assuming that we're on totally different networks |
| 02:09.12 | john__ | tell me again i probably did it wrong |
| 02:09.12 | karsten | john__: Then get over it. You're using the host for only a little while. |
| 02:09.26 | john__ | actually i'm thinking of giving this imac g3 away |
| 02:09.28 | magdalene | ninjaslim: when you ssh, you connect to the external IP of the router. but when you are in the router opening the port, you have to set it up so it knows where to send the ssh requests. basically tell it the inside address of your debian machine |
| 02:09.51 | ninjaslim | magdalene: ahh i see |
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| 02:10.45 | magdalene | ninjaslim it woutd depend on the speed of your connection and the traffic on the network at the time |
| 02:10.57 | john__ | ahhhhhhhhhhhh fucking forget this shit |
| 02:11.55 | ninjaslim | magdalene: well would ssh be an efficient way to do what i want to, i'm assuming openvpn wouldn't be any better as it goes over nternet as well and is a pain to setup |
| 02:11.59 | john__ | i'll just update the list of parts for my computer so i can buy them later today. i wanna play crysis |
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| 02:12.02 | magdalene | ninjaslim, it sounds like a very impactical way to keep your music, if your laptop is too small to hold your mp3s you might want to concider getting a thumb drive, they are cheap right now |
| 02:12.44 | ninjaslim | magdalene: yeah i'm thinking about that, on local network, it works great but i haven't tried external yet |
| 02:13.01 | magdalene | ninjaslim, do you want to use sshfs or access music because alternatively you could use a samba share |
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| 02:13.17 | magdalene | access music, rather |
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| 02:13.32 | jaggz1 | why the hell is my printing so broken.. argh. |
| 02:14.03 | ninjaslim | magdalene: well isn't samba only for local network, if both computers are on the same network |
| 02:14.13 | jaggz1 | I get it working sometimes.. and other times it just fails.. it's sitting saying "Processing..." right now but it won't print. |
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| 02:15.42 | magdalene | ninjaslim, does your laptop have a usbport |
| 02:16.40 | ninjaslim | magdalene: yes it does, that's not the issue, i'm just toying with differnt ideas right now |
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| 02:19.09 | magdalene | ninjaslim: right, setting up ssh is nice for copying files as well. you can send them as fast as typing /scp user@host:source . |
| 02:19.21 | magdalene | er copy rather |
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| 02:20.41 | ninjaslim | magdalene: wait so what's the bit about the usb for, and yes if i had my ssh setupp the way i wanted to, i intended to use it as a fileserver as well |
| 02:21.26 | K_Dallas | Good evening folks! I would like to get some insight of how debian team function. What protocols they have put in place for communication, planning, goal-setting, etc. Brief: How a virtual team (I presume that not all debian developers are in the same building) function? Thanks |
| 02:21.53 | karsten | ninjaslim: Thumb drive, external HD (500 GB plus encloseure for < $300), a NAS/SAN box (home-user stuff is starting to turn up), or just another system that's packed with drives and more adjacent to your local netowrk. |
| 02:22.00 | magdalene | ninjaslim:well if you had a thumb drive and a usbport on your laptop you could just copy your mp3s onto the thumbdrive and use it as the fileserve |
| 02:22.08 | karsten | ninjaslim: ... and/or upgrade your laptop hard drive. |
| 02:22.15 | nevyn | K_Dallas: debian's structural organisation is far looser than you imagine |
| 02:22.24 | debian2_6_24_1am | good presumsion |
| 02:22.26 | ninjaslim | that's completely true, but as i said i'm just toying with ideas right now |
| 02:22.54 | debian2_6_24_1am | google debian |
| 02:23.04 | K_Dallas | nevyn, I can imagine that but still I assume that there are people working on defined deliverables each 6 months and they kind of work together towards those deliverables |
| 02:23.06 | magdalene | ninjaslim usbdrives seem to be running 10 bux a gig or less if you look around a bit |
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| 02:23.31 | ninjaslim | i'm probably just going to get a portable hdd |
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| 02:24.19 | wols | ninjaslim: when you have to go over the the internet for your ssh connections it will be too slow for a fileserver. much to slow. |
| 02:24.54 | magdalene | ninjaslim: portable hdd are more expensive than usbdrives, and most aren't solid state |
| 02:25.11 | ninjaslim | magdalene that's definitely true |
| 02:25.13 | wols | magdalene: no in proce/gb |
| 02:25.21 | wols | *price |
| 02:25.39 | magdalene | ninjaslim also, you would be paying massive bandwidth charges from your isp, they would be certain to talk to you about the uploads |
| 02:25.53 | wols | a portable drive is about 30cent per GB while a USB stick is 5$ per GB. but not solid state yes |
| 02:26.15 | magdalene | wols: not where i come from |
| 02:26.22 | ninjaslim | that's also true ok fair enough |
| 02:26.28 | magdalene | maybe in the states |
| 02:26.31 | wols | magdalene: how much for a portable drive? |
| 02:27.00 | wols | here in .de a 500GB drive costs 67EUR right now. it's hard to go above 100EUR for one |
| 02:27.12 | wols | a portable 500GB drive that is |
| 02:27.20 | magdalene | sec and I will get a current quote |
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| 02:29.34 | jaggz1 | cups is not printing. Logfile shows: Unable to open output file "file:///dev/usb/lp0" - Device or resource busy. lsof shows foomatic is accessing it: /usr/bin/perl /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip 42 brandon https://portal.nrsoftware.com/popup/invoice.aspx?lInvoiceID=5959 1 job-uuid=urn:uuid:0373acdf-6d31-3691-46b7-3dde75a1af0f |
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| 02:30.05 | wols | jaggz1: could it be another printjob hasn't finished yet? |
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| 02:36.05 | tnks_ | How do I allow non-root users to have more than 1024 files open? |
| 02:36.40 | gnuSnob | kicks himself for spending days trying to build a driver that was already built, and installed for autodetected hardware |
| 02:36.50 | karsten | ninjaslim: On a per-GB basis, a portable / external drive is cheaper than a thumbdrive. About $0.30/GB these days. |
| 02:36.58 | markybob | bitchslaps gnuSnob |
| 02:37.01 | karsten | gnuSnob: Can we kick you too? |
| 02:37.19 | ninjaslim | karsten: thanks |
| 02:37.53 | gnuSnob | sure |
| 02:37.53 | gnuSnob | posts "kick me" sign on back |
| 02:39.16 | magdalene | here is about 65 ninjaslim |
| 02:39.30 | magdalene | sorry for time, was comparing sites |
| 02:39.45 | magdalene | er .65 rather |
| 02:39.46 | gnuSnob | I thought when a nic driver loaded, I would automatically get a "eth0" or "eth1" reference |
| 02:40.45 | gnuSnob | So when I saw that there was no eth1 for the second nic, I went scrounging for a driver |
| 02:41.52 | jaggz1 | wols, maybe? but it just sits there.. |
| 02:41.56 | karsten | aways... |
| 02:42.04 | jaggz1 | no jobs are even listed now |
| 02:42.23 | jaggz1 | yet the job file is still in /var/spoo/cups/ |
| 02:42.39 | magdalene | curls up under the #debian_fern and pulls out the carcass of yesterday's herbivore and has a late lunch before settling in for a good *lurk* |
| 02:43.08 | wols | gnuSnob: ifconfig -a |
| 02:43.24 | wols | gnuSnob: it's not always named eth0 or eth1 |
| 02:45.51 | jaggz1 | foomatic is stuck in a write() to /dev/usb/lp0 ... write(1, "\33[K\2\0\0\17\33(b\1\0\1\33(q\1\0\1\33(d\4\0\2X\2X\33"..., 758 <unfinished ...> |
| 02:47.13 | gnuSnob | wols: I see an additional sit0 interface, but that appears to be an IPv6 type of thing |
| 02:47.19 | gnuSnob | Seems I need to create a new interface for the wifi nic |
| 02:48.33 | jaggz1 | printer also has usb-storage.. I wonder what that is and how to mount it.. (could be if you stick a memory card in it) |
| 02:48.53 | gnuSnob | "sit0 Link encap: ipv6-in-ipv4" what's that do? |
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| 02:50.04 | justin | gnuSnob: you are running ifconfig -a, right? |
| 02:50.43 | wols | gnuSnob: what is your wlan chip? |
| 02:50.55 | wols | gnuSnob: and your kernel version? |
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| 02:53.11 | gnuSnob | zydas is the chip.. uses the zd1211rw driver |
| 02:53.19 | gnuSnob | model is Trendnet tew-429UB |
| 02:53.39 | gnuSnob | kernel 2.6.18 |
| 02:55.08 | gnuSnob | justin: yeah, ifconfig -a gives lo0, eth0, and sit0 |
| 02:55.08 | gnuSnob | lsusb shows that it sees the device.. and lsmod lists the zd1211rw driver |
| 02:55.15 | jaggz1 | PREENT YOU PREENTER! PREENT! |
| 02:55.30 | jaggz1 | puts on music and reorganizes his room, moving his custom built shelves to the other side |
| 02:55.33 | jaggz1 | frustration! |
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| 02:57.28 | ice63 | jaggz1: do you have printconf installed ? |
| 02:58.11 | justin | gnuSnob: ran dmesg at all? might be a message about needing firmware or something |
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| 03:16.10 | wols | gnuSnob: you need to build the driver with m-a |
| 03:16.16 | wols | !tell gnuSnob about m-a |
| 03:16.23 | wols | it also might need firmware |
| 03:16.49 | wols | yes, zd1211-firmware |
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| 03:18.51 | xNinja | hello i need help with busybox where i get the help |
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| 03:21.54 | jaggz1 | re |
| 03:21.59 | xNinja | wb |
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| 03:26.15 | jaggz1 | the system doesn't actually handle my printer itself.. the best thing I can do is install it and select a particular bubblejet canon driver and it works nicely, even supporting 600dpi.. |
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| 03:38.27 | ryty_ | I've got a strange problem |
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| 03:41.25 | jaggz1 | guard thy heart |
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| 03:53.43 | Gge | Hello , I got segmentation fault when running an app ( Lenny ) . How to analyse this ? |
| 03:53.57 | JordiGH | Gge: Which app? |
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| 03:54.34 | JordiGH | Gge: The only thing I can think of is to compile debug symbols into whatever is giving you problems, run it in a debugger, and then obtain a stack trace. |
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| 03:57.26 | Tr0gd0r | is there no apt-get install bitchx? |
| 03:57.47 | rcbarnes | So if I get a warning about "possible" buffer underruns on a DVD burn, but my files all checksum fine, is there a tool to detect if there was damage slight enough to be fixed by DVD+R's redundancy but still extant? I ask because the media I'm using is hard to get, but I don't want to use a disc that's already suffered undue data degredation, even if it's not yet sufficient to start flipping bits irrecoverably. |
| 03:58.13 | Gge | JordiGH , app is itrade from sf |
| 03:58.56 | Gge | JordiGH , you mean compile the apop with debug symbols ? |
| 03:59.01 | Gge | app |
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| 03:59.13 | mryanbrown | i concur |
| 04:00.05 | dendrite | Gge: In some cases you may learn something by running the thing from strace. But, segv's are notoriously hard to get at.. |
| 04:01.50 | Gge | dendrite , Yes , I am afraid that it will be very difficult ! |
| 04:01.55 | JordiGH | Tr0gd0r: Funny, there used to be. I guess it got removed from Debian. |
| 04:02.35 | JordiGH | Everyone hated BitchX enough to remove it. :P |
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| 04:07.08 | mryanbrown | how would i go about mounting my usb drive? |
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| 04:08.36 | yxa | does etch default kernel support core 2 duo or dual core cpus? |
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| 04:09.51 | markybob | yxa, you need to install the 686 kernel |
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| 04:11.00 | yxa | thanks markybob |
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| 04:13.52 | yxa | markybob the system basically just sees it as 2 seperate cpus? |
| 04:14.56 | markybob | yxa, yes |
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| 04:15.38 | sulo | Hello |
| 04:15.53 | Gge | dendrite , how to run app from strace ? |
| 04:16.45 | markybob | strace foo :P |
| 04:17.05 | yxa | markybob then am i right to say that core 2 cpus are basically fud if apps are not written to use SMP? |
| 04:18.09 | markybob | yxa, no. for a single particular app, yes, but you have many apps running on a system at once, such as daemons and cron jobs. so dual-core helps a lot in any kind of multitasking |
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| 04:19.50 | yxa | markybob i see. so if an app i am trying to use is multithreaded, it should help alittle |
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| 04:20.08 | markybob | yes |
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| 04:23.45 | horaciocs | HOT REDHEAD SUCKING IN A PORSCHE!! www.dcma.com.br/images/1945_red.jpg |
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| 04:35.14 | acu | guys - I want to buy a smarphone which runs linux or which synchronizes well with Debian - anyone can give me some hints ? |
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| 04:38.39 | wd | installed opera9 by tar.gz... yay... . however ./configure didn't work had to use the ./install.sh.. well how do i uninstall it since i didn't use make && make install? |
| 04:39.56 | markybob | you dont. and why didnt you just use the deb provided on their website? |
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| 04:40.21 | markybob | no need to fuck around with tar.gz |
| 04:40.26 | mryanbrown | how would i go about mounting my usb drive? anyone? |
| 04:40.54 | markybob | mryanbrown, tail -f /var/log/syslog ...plug it in, see which device it is, mount it |
| 04:41.26 | mryanbrown | ooo i like that answer |
| 04:41.27 | wd | markybob, wanted to get my hands dirty.. :) so i can't uninstall it? |
| 04:41.28 | mryanbrown | mucho thanks |
| 04:41.41 | markybob | wd, no. this is why we have a package manager |
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| 04:42.31 | JordiGH | What's so great about Opera anyways? |
| 04:42.49 | wd | markybob, i had a hard time getting flash to work with it using pkg mgr so i wanted to test other angle. |
| 04:42.59 | markybob | *shrug* |
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| 04:43.20 | wd | markybob, so how do i uninstall it? |
| 04:43.29 | mryanbrown | iceweasel + flash plugin |
| 04:43.29 | mryanbrown | ftw |
| 04:43.45 | JordiGH | wants gnash to work already. :-( |
| 04:43.48 | JordiGH | Adobe makes bloated software. |
| 04:43.51 | wd | mryanbrown, ftw? |
| 04:44.04 | mryanbrown | for the win |
| 04:44.08 | JordiGH | Okay, they didn't make the flash plugin, but still. |
| 04:44.12 | JordiGH | !wtf ftw |
| 04:44.13 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what ftw means... |
| 04:44.27 | simonrvn | !ftw |
| 04:44.27 | dpkg | breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN |
| 04:44.42 | JordiGH | The wtf database needs an update. |
| 04:45.38 | NomadX | Hmmm can I ask a non linux specific question in here? Dont know where else to find administrators who might be able to help :) |
| 04:47.56 | wd | how do i uninstall/remove opera9, i installed it using tar.gz with the ./install.sh script not with ./configure make && make install? |
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| 04:48.47 | markybob | wd, you've already been told. go wine in #opera |
| 04:48.55 | markybob | whine* |
| 04:49.14 | wd | i was told that... were exactly? |
| 04:49.23 | wd | where* |
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| 04:49.39 | jerojasro | Hi. I had to install a package from source, and I need to create some env vars for it (and modify the PATH too). Is there any "standard" place to do this? |
| 04:49.43 | markybob | you were told no, you cant. and i then told you that's why we have a package manager |
| 04:49.55 | NomadX | Does anyone know where I might find good information on establishing contention ratios? |
| 04:50.01 | jerojasro | something similar to slackware's /etc/profile.d/*sh |
| 04:50.21 | wd | "you've already been told"... yea right |
| 04:50.35 | wd | thanks alot markybob |
| 04:50.41 | jerojasro | markybob: are you trying to install opera? |
| 04:50.58 | markybob | jerojasro, ...no |
| 04:51.24 | jerojasro | mmm, ok. I just got late to the conversation |
| 04:51.43 | wd | jerojasro, how do i uninstall/remove opera9, i installed it using tar.gz with the ./install.sh script not with ./configure make && make install? |
| 04:51.53 | simonrvn | wd: it's called rm |
| 04:51.53 | wd | jerojasro, i did he didn't |
| 04:52.06 | markybob | fuck man, stop repeating yourself. |
| 04:52.11 | lostbutler | hello folks, i am looking for suggestions to boot my debian system, i have a windows xp installed on hda1, hda1 is encrypted with pgp desktop and its boot manager boots the system, i have installed debian on hda2 as / , hda5 as /boot hda6 /home, grub is installed on hda5, i am trying to figure out a way to boot the debian system, short of building a boot cd, |
| 04:52.13 | simonrvn | and why aren't you using opera's debs? |
| 04:52.29 | jerojasro | markybob: take it easy, dude |
| 04:52.54 | wd | markybob, you know what some contribution you are to the debian community |
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| 04:53.08 | wd | markybob, i have never seen this in here... |
| 04:53.12 | markybob | yes, i do know |
| 04:53.23 | wd | jerojasro, thanks for attempting... |
| 04:53.52 | jerojasro | wd: *perhaps* the install script on the original tar.gz has an option to uninstall |
| 04:53.59 | wd | jerojasro, i had issues with flash using deb so i attempted to install manually but used the ./install.sh |
| 04:54.21 | wd | jerojasro, i'll check again but didn't see it |
| 04:54.41 | wd | heh go whine in #opera.. man wtf |
| 04:55.00 | simonrvn | they'll probably tell you the same thing we just did... |
| 04:55.05 | wd | jerojasro, thanks i'll keep checking. |
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| 04:55.32 | jerojasro | wd: guys like him make the Debian's entry on unclyclopedia quite accurate :( |
| 04:55.32 | visof | hello |
| 04:55.58 | jerojasro | *uncyclopedia |
| 04:56.00 | simonrvn | deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ unstable non-free # they also have etch... |
| 04:56.12 | visof | when i installed mutt , the 2006 version is installed , how can i update packages to the newer versions |
| 04:56.13 | visof | ? |
| 04:56.30 | simonrvn | !tell visof -about backports |
| 04:57.01 | wd | jerojasro, i came to debian based on community and support especially support... you are an asset thanks. |
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| 04:57.34 | jerojasro | np |
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| 04:59.26 | wd | simonrvn, oh yea thanks also for that. |
| 04:59.31 | wd | :) |
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| 05:03.33 | |Ryan52 | The LGPL always confuses me...its the one that's more permitive, right? |
| 05:04.29 | markybob | |Ryan52, yes. you can use it as part of a closed program |
| 05:04.52 | simonrvn | permissive? yes |
| 05:05.03 | |Ryan52 | thats what I meant...words confuse me :P |
| 05:05.23 | |Ryan52 | can I distribute it with a proprietary program? |
| 05:05.35 | markybob | yes |
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| 05:05.58 | |Ryan52 | ty |
| 05:06.51 | visof | i tried to do what in here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 05:07.09 | visof | and i have Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/dists/debian/non-free/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80] |
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| 05:07.22 | visof | i have much lines like this |
| 05:07.24 | |Ryan52 | visof: change your mirrors |
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| 05:08.00 | visof | where can i find the alternatie mirrors |
| 05:08.01 | visof | ? |
| 05:08.21 | |Ryan52 | !mirrors |
| 05:08.21 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 05:09.16 | valdyn | visof: the path is always "debian/dists/", not "dists/debian" |
| 05:09.40 | markybob | pastebin your sources.list |
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| 05:10.24 | valdyn | visof: like: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/non-free/source/Sources.gz |
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| 05:11.03 | visof | http://pastebin.com/d17f12e9f |
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| 05:11.10 | visof | that's my sources.list |
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| 05:11.40 | valdyn | visof: so fix it |
| 05:11.44 | markybob | visof, remove the space between .org/ debian" |
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| 05:12.09 | valdyn | visof: why is there a \ ? |
| 05:12.38 | visof | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release Unable to find expected entry \/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 05:12.57 | visof | valdyn http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 05:13.06 | visof | i did what is here |
| 05:13.08 | markybob | remove it |
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| 05:13.15 | valdyn | visof: you misunderstand \ |
| 05:13.34 | valdyn | visof: that sign is not part of a line but it indicates that the following line belongs to the same line |
| 05:13.36 | |Ryan52 | visof: they had a line break, you use \ when you are going to line break but want it to be treated like 1 line |
| 05:14.03 | visof | ah |
| 05:14.11 | valdyn | visof: you can use that in your bash shell too |
| 05:14.27 | valdyn | visof: like "ls \ <enter> /path" |
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| 05:15.08 | visof | now remove \ main ? |
| 05:15.18 | valdyn | visof: just remove the \ |
| 05:15.23 | visof | okay |
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| 05:15.53 | valdyn | visof: that sign might actually work to concatenate 2 lines, but in order to do that what YOU have after \ needs to be in a new line |
| 05:16.08 | valdyn | visof: so just remove it |
| 05:16.18 | visof | ah |
| 05:16.20 | visof | okay |
| 05:16.24 | visof | it's working now |
| 05:16.28 | visof | thanks all |
| 05:16.28 | Diaper_Rash | ok, so for audacious, use pulse or alsa? |
| 05:16.33 | visof | thanks valdyn |
| 05:16.34 | Diaper_Rash | oh so spammy |
| 05:16.40 | valdyn | Diaper_Rash: whatever you want |
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| 05:17.10 | lontra | how can i fix this -> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring |
| 05:17.21 | lontra | because apt-get poops out giving me that error |
| 05:17.25 | Diaper_Rash | make it battle, and get 1.5 to 2 times the exp |
| 05:18.00 | valdyn | pulse is quite neat however |
| 05:18.11 | valdyn | as long as you dont do professional audio work |
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| 05:19.44 | visof | valdyn how can i update mutt or any other package to newer version ? |
| 05:19.57 | valdyn | visof: why would you need a newer mutt? |
| 05:20.31 | visof | to can send |
| 05:20.45 | valdyn | visof: mm? your mutt can send just fine |
| 05:20.45 | visof | also i want to install xmonad |
| 05:20.58 | visof | no |
| 05:21.01 | visof | it's can't |
| 05:21.07 | |Ryan52 | visof: if the etch mutt doesn't do smtp, set up something like msmtp |
| 05:21.09 | valdyn | visof: what cant it? |
| 05:21.16 | valdyn | visof: i know it can |
| 05:21.20 | |Ryan52 | visof: theres a gentoo howto on that somewhere... |
| 05:21.41 | visof | okay |
| 05:22.00 | valdyn | visof: you'd rather fix your mta |
| 05:22.08 | visof | okay |
| 05:22.14 | visof | what about xmonad |
| 05:22.36 | visof | i can't find it |
| 05:22.41 | valdyn | visof: for etch? |
| 05:22.55 | |Ryan52 | valdyn: all email I send from my home network ends up rejected or in spam box...so I dont like that... |
| 05:23.05 | visof | apt-cache search xmonad |
| 05:23.09 | visof | i have nothing |
| 05:23.15 | valdyn | |Ryan52: thats really because your mta is setup wrongly |
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| 05:23.18 | Diaper_Rash | piplup looks cool its a penguin |
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| 05:23.34 | |Ryan52 | valdyn: explain? |
| 05:23.58 | samantha-- | is there a howto somewhere on getting m4a's to play in amarok? i haven't been able to find a decent doc anywhere. |
| 05:24.05 | valdyn | |Ryan52: you want to use a smarthost |
| 05:24.39 | valdyn | |Ryan52: thats probably what msmtp does for you anyway, so its ok |
| 05:24.48 | visof | what should i do ? |
| 05:24.56 | valdyn | visof: /msg dpkg ssd |
| 05:25.00 | valdyn | visof: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:25.03 | valdyn | !ssb |
| 05:25.03 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 05:25.05 | valdyn | ops |
| 05:25.26 | |Ryan52 | valdyn: I have that setup...but gmail disabled my account for who knows why and it messed me up. |
| 05:25.48 | valdyn | |Ryan52: i doubt they disabled it |
| 05:25.57 | valdyn | |Ryan52: maybe you need to setup authentication properly |
| 05:26.03 | valdyn | |Ryan52: because gmail requires that |
| 05:26.32 | visof | <visof> xmonad |
| 05:26.32 | visof | <dpkg> I give up, what is it? |
| 05:26.36 | |Ryan52 | valdyn: it worked for a week. then I got incorrect username/password in my logs. I logged in through web interface and it said "your accound has been disabled" |
| 05:26.40 | valdyn | visof: dpkg is a bot |
| 05:26.47 | visof | i know |
| 05:26.52 | valdyn | |Ryan52: ah |
| 05:26.57 | visof | Ask me about <backports>. |
| 05:27.07 | valdyn | |Ryan52: so you got hijacked and used gmail to send spam |
| 05:27.31 | valdyn | visof: dont, i already checked backports.org |
| 05:27.42 | |Ryan52 | valdyn: checked my logs/sent mail folder for that too. That was not the case. (maybe it thought my cron job's output were spam, though) |
| 05:27.48 | valdyn | visof: you need to use step 1) to step 4) |
| 05:28.03 | valdyn | |Ryan52: maybe |
| 05:28.27 | valdyn | |Ryan52: but sending local mail thru gmail would be a wrongly setup mta |
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| 05:28.38 | visof | Add a deb-src line for sid, what should it be? |
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| 05:28.57 | valdyn | visof: you already have it: hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) ap |
| 05:29.07 | valdyn | visof: ops: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/ debian unstable \ main contrib non-free |
| 05:29.14 | |Ryan52 | valdyn: ya, I know...but I wanted my cron jobs output and if I sent from my home network it got rejected from places like MSN. |
| 05:30.39 | valdyn | visof: just steps 2) to 4) to go |
| 05:30.43 | visof | valdyn E: Build-Depends dependency for xmonad cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package ghc6 can satisfy version requirements |
| 05:30.57 | visof | i installed ghc6.8.2 |
| 05:31.04 | valdyn | visof: that means that you need to do steps 2) to 4) for ghc6 too |
| 05:31.07 | Diaper_Rash | lets talk about erik |
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| 05:32.28 | valdyn | visof: and read the version given in those errors if theres one |
| 05:33.02 | valdyn | visof: you might have to use something like "apt-get -t <realease> build-dep <packagename>" |
| 05:33.14 | valdyn | visof: where release = unstable or sid or testing or lenny |
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| 05:35.38 | valdyn | visof: this might look tricky at first, but its really nice and clean |
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| 05:35.56 | visof | yeah |
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| 06:25.02 | alesan | hi I am setting up passwordless login. it should be enough to put the content of id_dsa.pub in .ssh/authorized_keys right? |
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| 06:33.26 | sulo | Hi, I'm running etch. I've just configured my wireless connection manually, using iwconfig, because NetworkManager in gnome doesn't list available wireless networks (not after I've manually configured one either). Why might that be? I'd rather manage my network connectionsn using this app |
| 06:33.53 | NinjaMan | does anyone have a file called /user/bin/[ ? |
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| 06:33.57 | WormFood | alesan, when I want a passwordless login, I just edit the password file, and erase the password |
| 06:33.59 | Ross | um |
| 06:34.02 | Diaper_Rash | how do i install 64 bit deb file for flash |
| 06:34.05 | Ross | i found an error |
| 06:34.07 | Ross | in debian |
| 06:34.35 | streuner | Ross: the BTS is full with bugs... |
| 06:34.39 | Diaper_Rash | he's trolling the channel, even unsuccessfully for an hour now. |
| 06:34.45 | Ross | its etch tho.. |
| 06:34.59 | Ross | anyway i just want it to be fixed |
| 06:35.14 | Ross | i did apt-get remove inspircd |
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| 06:35.20 | Ross | and it gave me an error |
| 06:35.21 | enouf | !fix Ross |
| 06:35.21 | dpkg | takes Ross to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 06:35.24 | WormFood | so fix it Ross, you have access to the source code, just like everyone else here |
| 06:35.36 | Ross | thats the thing |
| 06:35.37 | Ross | im a noob |
| 06:35.42 | Ross | i have no idea how to fix anything |
| 06:35.45 | Diaper_Rash | hi all, just installed ubuntu for the first time (i'm a windows user :p). first things first ... very nice work on the web installer, it was so increadably straight forward to get setup :d |
| 06:35.48 | Ross | i can barely use my box without it breaking |
| 06:35.52 | valdyn | sulo: have you read the documentation to network manager? it wont touch interfaces that are configured in certain ways in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:36.06 | Ross | Diaper_Rash, try #ubuntu |
| 06:36.15 | WormFood | Diaper_Rash, this is not #ubuntu, we don't care |
| 06:36.21 | sulo | valdyn: I removed everything but the loopback iface in that file |
| 06:36.42 | valdyn | sulo: some drivers are not supported by network manager |
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| 06:36.59 | sulo | valdyn: ah, that might be it... I'm using the non-free abg3945 intel driver |
| 06:37.08 | WormFood | Ross, then quit bitching, and learn how to fix it...*everyone* was a noob at one time or another |
| 06:37.17 | valdyn | sulo: why would any intel driver be non-free? |
| 06:37.26 | WormFood | Ross, that is one of the reasons I learned to program in C |
| 06:37.28 | wedge | anyone know if there's a proper way to clean out /usr/share/doc to free up diskspace on a small footprint system? |
| 06:37.30 | sulo | valdyn: :-) |
| 06:37.31 | valdyn | sulo: intel is supported. |
| 06:37.35 | WormFood | to fix and modify other C programs |
| 06:37.40 | sulo | valdyn: only from kernel 2.6.24 |
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| 06:38.01 | Ross | WormFood, im retarded |
| 06:38.01 | Ross | ;P |
| 06:38.05 | DanDare | Hello all. Im using etch and apache 1.3, ther´s some weird default instalation configuration that dont let me configure .htaccess properly ? |
| 06:38.09 | valdyn | wedge: rm -r /usr/share/doc/ |
| 06:38.11 | sulo | valdyn: if you run an earlier kernel, you have to download driver and firmware from the non-free section |
| 06:38.29 | wedge | valdyn: are these also the associated files for man? |
| 06:38.40 | valdyn | sulo: the firmware is non-free, the driver is free and the intel drivers are supported by nm |
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| 06:38.41 | WormFood | DanDare, did you try #apache? |
| 06:38.53 | valdyn | wedge: no, manpages are elsewhere |
| 06:39.02 | DanDare | No, my question is regardin apache 1.3 instalation on Etch |
| 06:39.03 | wedge | valdyn: sweet. then /usr/share/doc goes :) |
| 06:39.08 | DanDare | ok? |
| 06:39.20 | streuner | /usr/share/man/man8/pcimodules.8.gz |
| 06:39.26 | sulo | valdyn: oh, ok. wasn't aware of that. but then it doesn't make sense nm doesn't provide a list of available networks |
| 06:39.32 | DanDare | and im not asking why my .htaccess is not working also ;) |
| 06:39.49 | valdyn | sulo: nm lists the interface though? |
| 06:39.56 | DanDare | thanks for the tip anuway |
| 06:40.00 | sulo | valdyn: yes, if I open it up |
| 06:40.01 | WormFood | valdyn, for what it is worth, the newer kernels in sid (assuming that is what you are running), have removed proper support for some wireless devices (notably, the prism54 card, which is what I use...I had to compile my own kernel) |
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| 06:40.29 | valdyn | sulo: should be all ok then, might be a while till it lists networks, just run "iwlist <iface> scan" to scan manually |
| 06:40.32 | sulo | valdyn: but the app that sits on the "menu bar" in gnome (don't know what it's called) only shows a "cable not connected" icon |
| 06:40.37 | Diaper_Rash | a troll is someone who purposefully tries to annoy and anger other people online. |
| 06:40.47 | valdyn | sulo: ok, thats the app i was talking about.. |
| 06:40.48 | dbmoodb1 | Diaper_Rash: or is out to get attention |
| 06:40.56 | WormFood | Diaper_Rash, but sometimes it is hard to tell a troll apart from someone just being really dumb |
| 06:40.59 | sulo | valdyn: well, that doesn't show any iface |
| 06:41.16 | defrysk | trolls are usually dumb |
| 06:41.18 | sulo | valdyn: it's only if I open up the manager "Networks" from the "Admin" menu |
| 06:41.23 | valdyn | sulo: youd have to restart network manager if you had edited /etc/network/interfaces after itwas started |
| 06:41.28 | streuner | defrysk: uh, no |
| 06:41.35 | sulo | valdyn: allright |
| 06:41.39 | Diaper_Rash | >> |
| 06:41.50 | sulo | valdyn: I guess that could be done by restarting gdm? |
| 06:41.56 | dbmoodb1 | can we end this discussion on trolls |
| 06:42.02 | streuner | good call |
| 06:42.04 | sulo | valdyn: or is it running in the background? |
| 06:42.37 | valdyn | sulo: no, by running "/etc/init.d/network-manager restart" i guess |
| 06:42.45 | sulo | valdyn: thanks |
| 06:42.55 | dbmoodb1 | what kernel will be the one available in lenny for the armel arch -- seeing a lot of devices use the 2.6.25 kernel how will this operate ---- will lenny be moving to 2.6.25 or will it frozen at its current 2.6.24 ? |
| 06:43.12 | sulo | valdyn: could you, btw, direct me to some good reading on the debian bootscripts? |
| 06:43.14 | valdyn | dbmoodb1: that is not decided yet |
| 06:43.45 | sulo | valdyn: I'm coming from slackware where it's all differently set up |
| 06:43.47 | valdyn | sulo: /etc/init.d/README |
| 06:43.56 | sulo | valdyn: allright, I'll start there |
| 06:43.58 | sulo | thanks |
| 06:43.59 | NinjaMan | could someone check to see if they have the file /usr/bin/[ - it seems like a strange filename |
| 06:44.11 | dbmoodb1 | valdyn: well i strongly suggest that a 2.6.25 kernel or a 2.6.24 kernel will armel and the new arm support / hardware for small devices from 2.6.25 are put into lenny as modules if that is possible |
| 06:44.14 | valdyn | NinjaMan: surely not |
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| 06:44.39 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34504 4. Apr 16:22 /usr/bin/[ |
| 06:44.44 | valdyn | dbmoodb1: will lenny even support armel? |
| 06:44.53 | NinjaMan | valdyn: :) |
| 06:44.55 | dbmoodb1 | yes |
| 06:44.58 | hoxu | NinjaMan, perfectly normal :p |
| 06:45.12 | wols | valdyn: what package brings "/etc/init.d/network-manager restart" |
| 06:45.13 | dbmoodb1 | hopefully ... |
| 06:45.30 | NinjaMan | streuner, hoxu, valdyn - any idea what packacge it is from? |
| 06:45.30 | valdyn | wols: hmm? |
| 06:45.38 | wols | I know /etc/init.d/networking but no network-manager (nm is a gnome abomination) |
| 06:45.43 | streuner | apis:/# dpkg -S /usr/bin/[ |
| 06:45.44 | streuner | dpkg: /usr/bin/[ nicht gefunden. |
| 06:45.44 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, streuner |
| 06:45.45 | wols | valdyn: what package brings "/etc/init.d/network-manager"? |
| 06:45.55 | valdyn | wols: nm is a desktop agnostic daemon |
| 06:46.00 | dbmoodb1 | wols it may be but wpa_supplicant got disabled for it |
| 06:46.05 | dbmoodb1 | among other things |
| 06:46.06 | valdyn | wols: with at least 3 user interfaces |
| 06:46.12 | sulo | valdyn: there's no /etc/init.d/network-manager (only /etc/init.d/networking - is that the same thing?) |
| 06:46.19 | hoxu | streuner, localized messages aren't very useful you know... but yeah, I don't know the package either NinjaMan :p |
| 06:46.24 | sulo | valdyn: there's no /etc/init.d/network-manager (only /etc/init.d/networking - is that the same thing?) |
| 06:46.26 | NinjaMan | sulo no it is not |
| 06:46.35 | sulo | NinjaMan: okay |
| 06:46.45 | hoxu | NinjaMan, it's from coreutils |
| 06:46.49 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/network-manager |
| 06:46.57 | NinjaMan | hoxu: thanks |
| 06:46.58 | wols | sulo: apt-cache search network-manager |
| 06:47.10 | wols | valdyn: it's a config file |
| 06:47.17 | valdyn | sulo: im confused, you are the one that said you used network-manager |
| 06:47.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/network-manager' (1): (/etc/init.d/{network-manager|network-manager-dispatcher}) in net/network-manager. |
| 06:47.31 | valdyn | wols: like all init scripts |
| 06:47.38 | sulo | valdyn: I did... but the file you mentioned is not there |
| 06:47.39 | Diaper_Rash | erik_destler, it's not a concern, just wanting to know :< |
| 06:47.41 | sulo | wols thanks |
| 06:47.50 | valdyn | sulo: oh etch? |
| 06:47.53 | valdyn | sulo: on etch? |
| 06:47.55 | sulo | valdyn: yes |
| 06:47.58 | Diaper_Rash | omigod i'm back nayru |
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| 06:48.11 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/network-manager etch |
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| 06:48.23 | wols | streuner: what kind of file is it? what does it link against? |
| 06:48.32 | wols | streuner: what are strings inside it? |
| 06:48.47 | streuner | hoxu> NinjaMan, it's from coreutils |
| 06:48.48 | sulo | !find etc/init.d/network-manager etch |
| 06:48.50 | dbmoodb1 | valdyn: its not in there its under /etc/dbus/events or something like that |
| 06:48.56 | dbmoodb1 | on etch that is |
| 06:48.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/init.d/network-manager' returned no results. |
| 06:49.08 | valdyn | dbmoodb1: yea, i think somethign changed there |
| 06:49.12 | valdyn | dbmoodb1: try restarting dbus |
| 06:49.19 | NinjaMan | thx streuner |
| 06:49.29 | dbmoodb1 | valdyn its under the dbus/events folder ... 25Net.. and 26Net... |
| 06:49.30 | streuner | thank hoxu :-) |
| 06:49.44 | valdyn | sulo: try restarting dbus |
| 06:49.50 | sulo | valdyn: okay |
| 06:49.50 | Gge | Hello, I have an app itrade that make segmentation fault . here is the log from strace but this does not help . Any suggestion ? write(1, "updateQuoteItems: 0 GEMALTO\n", 28updateQuoteItems: 0 GEMALTO ) = 28 |
| 06:49.50 | Gge | write(14, "\22\0\7\0\272\0`\2:\1\0\0\6\0\0\0 \0\0\0\1\0\0\0\240\357"..., 28) = 28 |
| 06:49.50 | Gge | ioctl(14, FIONREAD, [0]) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â = 0 |
| 06:49.50 | Gge | poll([{fd=14, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 2, 0) = 0 |
| 06:49.50 | Gge | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
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| 06:49.57 | Diaper_Rash | hipopman, do you want a medal for the most pointless stat ever recorded |
| 06:50.05 | streuner | hoxu: just try rkhunter :-) |
| 06:50.21 | streuner | hoxu: also take a look at the tiger package :-) |
| 06:50.58 | streuner | Diaper_ : #ubuntu :-) - this is #debian |
| 06:51.02 | sulo | valdyn: hmm.. that did away with the battery icon on my desktop bar... the nm icon is still showing "tp cable out" |
| 06:51.08 | sulo | :-/ |
| 06:51.25 | hoxu | streuner, hmm? Wrong target perhaps? :) |
| 06:51.29 | valdyn | sulo: restarting dbus kills some apps, nautilus probably too |
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| 06:51.35 | sulo | valdyn: ah |
| 06:51.38 | valdyn | sulo: and that gnome-power-manager, dont worry about that |
| 06:51.44 | sulo | valdyn: allright... |
| 06:51.52 | valdyn | sulo: did that show something about restarting nm though? |
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| 06:52.08 | dbmoodb1 | gnome-power-manager -- old versions drain too much power (check the battery too often) so don't worry at all |
| 06:52.12 | sulo | valdyn: yup |
| 06:52.24 | valdyn | sulo: killall nm-applet && nm-applet |
| 06:52.31 | Gge | Hello again and sorry for the spam . I have pasted ny query in #flood |
| 06:52.32 | streuner | hoxu: check out packages.debian.org/coreutils |
| 06:52.35 | Diaper_Rash | scifiguy951: did you format the hard drive? |
| 06:52.55 | valdyn | sulo: mind, im taking it as a given that your network interface is actually ok |
| 06:52.56 | streuner | hoxu: it seems ok to me |
| 06:53.15 | sulo | valdyn: hmm. that produced some warnings |
| 06:53.21 | alesan | I have copied both id_rsa.pub and id_dsa.pub into authorized_keys on another machine, but it keeps asking for the password |
| 06:53.22 | streuner | hoxu: dpkg -S just didn't find it, i don't know why |
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| 06:53.27 | hoxu | streuner, I think I'm lost now. NinjaMan was the one asking what "[" is from, it's from coreutils and perfectly normal :p |
| 06:53.29 | alesan | how can I debug the problem? |
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| 06:53.36 | sulo | valdyn: my iface is fine.. (I mean, I _am_ connected to the net) |
| 06:53.36 | hoxu | streuner, ah well, I don't know why either |
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| 06:53.50 | alesan | ssh -vvvv does not say much why the key is not accepted |
| 06:53.55 | valdyn | sulo: that command line was supposed to change your network manager icon |
| 06:54.03 | sulo | valdyn: can I paste the errmsg somewhere? |
| 06:54.04 | valdyn | sulo: that command line was supposed to *restart* your network manager icon |
| 06:54.08 | valdyn | sulo: yes |
| 06:54.12 | valdyn | !paste |
| 06:54.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:54.18 | sulo | valdyn: allright, it didn't change |
| 06:54.20 | hoxu | streuner, wait, I do... it's because dpkg -S takes a pattern, so you need to do "dpkg -S '/usr/bin/\['" (note that double-escaped [) |
| 06:54.21 | streuner | hoxu: oh, sorry, its early here... |
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| 06:54.40 | sulo | valdyn: wasn't there a junk channel of some sorts here before? |
| 06:54.45 | sulo | valdyn: it's three lines... |
| 06:54.53 | streuner | hoxu: hm |
| 06:55.03 | valdyn | sulo: maybe #flood |
| 06:55.24 | sulo | valdyn: ok, I'll paste it there |
| 06:55.33 | valdyn | sulo: are you in the netdev group btw? |
| 06:55.54 | sulo | valdyn: done |
| 06:55.59 | hoxu | streuner, single quotes escape from shell and '\' escapes from dpkg pattern (in double quotes \ wouldn't be sent as "\") :) |
| 06:56.01 | sulo | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 06:56.04 | valdyn | sulo: you tried to run that line as root? |
| 06:56.18 | sulo | valdyn: heh.. yup I did... |
| 06:56.25 | valdyn | sulo: well, dont |
| 06:56.30 | valdyn | sulo: and be in the netdev group |
| 06:56.35 | Diaper_Rash | not really. |
| 06:56.36 | Gge | Hello again , http://paste.debian.net/5614/ is my query sent being kicked due to too may nines posted |
| 06:56.39 | sulo | valdyn: no... I didn't think |
| 06:56.46 | Gge | sorry again |
| 06:57.12 | streuner | Gge: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:57.15 | valdyn | sulo: user need to be in the netdev group to be allowed to mess with interfaces via network-manager |
| 06:57.31 | sulo | valdyn: allright. I'm in that group |
| 06:57.35 | valdyn | sulo: i think you should read stuff in /usr/share/doc/network-manager- |
| 06:57.36 | valdyn | sulo: i think you should read stuff in /usr/share/doc/network-manager |
| 06:57.36 | sulo | valdyn: as user |
| 06:57.53 | valdyn | sulo: you already were or you just added yourself? |
| 06:57.54 | sulo | valdyn: I have read the README there. didn't really help me |
| 06:58.00 | sulo | valdyn: already were |
| 06:58.06 | valdyn | sulo: ok |
| 06:58.19 | sulo | valdyn: also restarted the applet as user, didn't provide errmsg mentioned before |
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| 06:58.28 | valdyn | sulo: now, is nm-applet restarted? does it list your wlan interface? |
| 06:58.34 | streuner | Gge: and why are you in #ReactOS? :-) |
| 06:58.41 | sulo | valdyn, yes... and no |
| 06:59.06 | valdyn | sulo: paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:59.48 | Gge | Streuner dpkg result is 2.7-10 |
| 06:59.50 | sulo | valdyn: well, I won't paste my essid or wep key... |
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| 07:00.06 | valdyn | sulo: thats ok |
| 07:00.07 | streuner | Gge: we need the whole output |
| 07:00.10 | sulo | valdyn: but I'd be happy to paste an edited version |
| 07:00.28 | wedge | unionfs is pretty sweet.. |
| 07:00.30 | Gge | Streuner , I am a tester of Reactos also . Whole output of which command ? |
| 07:00.31 | valdyn | sulo: and that statement already reveals to me that nm cant touch that interface |
| 07:00.44 | streuner | Gge: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:00.49 | wedge | screw up my testsystem, run a quick userpartition format.. back to normal |
| 07:00.56 | valdyn | sulo: you cannot configure and interface in /etc/network/interfaces and network-manager at the same time |
| 07:00.58 | sulo | valdyn: allright |
| 07:01.22 | streuner | Gge: basically just look at the BTS for that package, if you don't find something there, just use memtest then |
| 07:01.30 | sulo | valdyn: ok, so when I set something up using iwconfig, that is automatically written to the interfaces file? |
| 07:01.39 | valdyn | sulo: no |
| 07:01.42 | Diaper_Rash | ty |
| 07:01.53 | sulo | valdyn: ok? because that's the only way I've configured it |
| 07:01.59 | Diaper_Rash | now that's the maturity level i expect in a pokemon chat |
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| 07:02.01 | valdyn | sulo: paste the file |
| 07:02.15 | Gge | streuner , debian:/home/itrade# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:02.17 | valdyn | sulo: the cleaned up version |
| 07:02.17 | Gge | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:02.21 | sulo | valdyn: well, I'm also running the ipw3945d, I don't know if that updates the interfaces file |
| 07:02.22 | Diaper_Rash | visof: you already have it: hasn't, 1) add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) ap |
| 07:02.31 | sulo | valdyn I'll paste it into flood in 10 secs |
| 07:02.44 | streuner | Gge: oh, its not in Debian? well, just ask them then |
| 07:03.04 | sulo | valdyn: done |
| 07:03.19 | Gge | ah ok . thx |
| 07:03.24 | streuner | np |
| 07:04.28 | valdyn | sulo: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian states "Only devices that are *not* listed in /etc/network/interfaces or which have been configured "auto" and "dhcp" (with no other options) are managed by NM." |
| 07:04.58 | Gge | streuner , you know reactos ? |
| 07:05.04 | valdyn | sulo: so edit your /etc/network/interfaces file accordingly so nm can use the interface |
| 07:05.10 | streuner | nope |
| 07:05.13 | Diaper_Rash | ... |
| 07:05.39 | streuner | Diaper_Rash: wtf? |
| 07:05.49 | sulo | valdyn: ok... does that mean, if I remove the iface from the interfaces file, it'll be recognised by nm? because it's already got the "auto" option set... or should I also remove the essid and key options? |
| 07:06.21 | valdyn | sulo: or what could "with no other options" else refer to? |
| 07:06.34 | sulo | valdyn: good point, sir. thanks for your help |
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| 07:07.08 | valdyn | sulo: i would remove it completely, then get nm to work, then add back allowed stuff if you want |
| 07:07.14 | Gge | Streuner , 1 last question . How did you linked the pb to libc6 ? |
| 07:07.21 | sulo | valdyn: allright. thanks |
| 07:07.27 | Diaper_Rash | ssl error |
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| 07:30.03 | slxix | I wonder why Wayne Howard named his computer after himself. |
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| 07:44.29 | MrBrush | Any programmers around writing code most of the time with mcedit or vi? |
| 07:45.21 | zxcv | why do you ask? |
| 07:45.58 | MrBrush | Just wondering |
| 07:46.08 | MrBrush | If it works well |
| 07:46.12 | Caelum | vim not vi |
| 07:46.17 | MrBrush | vim I mean |
| 07:46.22 | Diaper_Rash | man i have a laggy connection to my server |
| 07:46.26 | Caelum | never tried mcedit |
| 07:46.41 | slxix | Diaper_Rash: laggy is better than none. |
| 07:46.50 | MrBrush | Caelum: but vim? |
| 07:46.55 | Caelum | vim is awesome |
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| 07:47.01 | Trash2 | hey all |
| 07:47.04 | Trash2 | there is an issue |
| 07:47.11 | Trash2 | I did apt-get update |
| 07:47.17 | Trash2 | then apt-get install rpm |
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| 07:47.32 | Trash2 | but still got issue |
| 07:47.39 | Trash2 | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl-modules_5.8.4-8sarge5_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80] |
| 07:47.40 | Trash2 | etc.. |
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| 07:47.57 | Caelum | update again |
| 07:48.03 | Trash2 | done many times |
| 07:48.12 | Caelum | sarge? wtf? |
| 07:48.19 | Trash2 | yes |
| 07:48.25 | Caelum | that's ancient |
| 07:48.32 | Trash2 | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 07:48.32 | Caelum | dist-upgrade to something newer |
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| 07:48.38 | owen1 | i want to install debian. can i do it without cd? |
| 07:48.40 | Trash2 | hmm |
| 07:48.49 | slxix | owen1: sure. what do you want to use instead? |
| 07:49.30 | owen1 | slxix: the machine is running ubuntu. i want to install debian instead. |
| 07:50.01 | Caelum | I wonder if you can dist-upgrade ubuntu to debian :) |
| 07:50.23 | slxix | I wouldn't think so. :) |
| 07:50.57 | owen1 | slxix: what do i need? can i do it from ipod shuffle? |
| 07:51.36 | slxix | owen1: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 07:51.50 | slxix | you can do it from a USB flash drive. |
| 07:52.16 | slxix | of follow that link "Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System" |
| 07:52.21 | Trash2 | Caelum: With debian 4.0 will I have the same problem? |
| 07:52.22 | slxix | s/of/or/ |
| 07:52.24 | Diaper_Rash | click that |
| 07:52.29 | Caelum | Trash2: not likely |
| 07:52.34 | Trash2 | OK |
| 07:52.37 | Trash2 | sry, caps lock |
| 07:52.41 | Trash2 | thanks for assistance |
| 07:52.45 | Trash2 | will install that |
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| 07:54.28 | owen1 | slxix: ok. reading it now. |
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| 07:54.59 | Nikolay | Hi all, I've just loaded from Suspend To RAM and lost my mouse cursor. Mouse work perfectly, but cursor is invisible. Is it possible to make the cursor visible without restarting xorg? |
| 07:55.01 | Sprengelmeyer | Hello #debian |
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| 07:55.15 | |mmk[null]| | owen1: you can do it remotely: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 07:55.53 | Caelum | Nikolay: I doubt it |
| 07:55.56 | Sprengelmeyer | Is there a simple to use tool out there similar to the # eix portage tool on gentoo for debian used to search and list available and installed packages on your system? |
| 07:56.20 | slxix | |mmk[null]|: that's pretty much like installing from hard drive in the debian install guide, right? |
| 07:56.53 | |mmk[null]| | Sprengelmeyer: synaptic, aptitude |
| 07:57.03 | slxix | it's nice to see these things in the official debian documentation. :) |
| 07:57.28 | |mmk[null]| | slxix: i suppose it all comes to the same place after all |
| 07:58.34 | |mmk[null]| | i have installed debian remotely many times, mostly on old slackware servrers and it works nice |
| 07:58.59 | Nikolay | Hurray, I press a magic button under the monitor and mouse cursor comes back! |
| 07:59.34 | Sprengelmeyer | Thanks |mmk[null]| I forgot about aptitude |
| 07:59.45 | slxix | Hmm. I think the remote part is the big difference. Very nice. I'd *love* to be able reinstall Windows remotely.. |
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| 08:01.10 | owen1 | slxix: |mmk[null]|: it looks to complex. i think do it from a usb will be easier. can i just download the netinst.iso (160mb) into the shuffle and boot it from my ubuntu? |
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| 08:01.33 | slxix | owen1: it wouldn't hurt to try. |
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| 08:01.42 | |mmk[null]| | well i can not think of reason to install windows slxix :) |
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| 08:03.10 | owen1 | slxix: after i have the iso in the shuffle, how do i tell my ubuntu to boot from shuffle? |
| 08:03.40 | |mmk[null]| | owen1: if you can do it with usb do it, but when the server is 2^10 km. away that may be useful |
| 08:03.44 | slxix | owen1: the shuffle is just a USB drive? |
| 08:03.52 | Diaper_Rash | looking for deoxys |
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| 08:05.02 | owen1 | slxix: i am not sure. i am using it to store files and also as music player. |
| 08:06.55 | mquin | slxix: from a usb perspective, yes - it's just a mass storage device |
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| 08:08.30 | slxix | what filesystem does it use? |
| 08:08.32 | Spots | hi all |
| 08:09.04 | owen1 | slxix: let me google for it. i have no idea.. |
| 08:09.18 | Spots | im a trying to createa dial up connectgion on my newly installed debain - i have a rockwell int, hsf 56k |
| 08:09.46 | milligan_ | I have two "soundcards" in my computer. One hardware one, and a usb headset. How can I tell debian to use the usb one as default ? |
| 08:09.52 | slxix | owen1: the install from hard drive isn't actually as complex as you might think. |
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| 08:10.34 | Spots | I DLed cnxtinstall.run from >> http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/downloads-installer.php , dbl click >> run >> but it does not do anything |
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| 08:11.19 | LimCore | is NTP broken? |
| 08:11.31 | Spots | who |
| 08:11.35 | Spots | ? |
| 08:11.57 | slxix | you create a new partition, chroot to it, and install debian. you'll have both ubuntu and debian on your computer. change grub/lilo to boot from debian and you're all set. :) |
| 08:12.00 | LimCore | it keeps running in background and nothing, the time is not synchronized. when I stop it and do ntpdate by hand, then clocks upgrades by 800 sec.... wtf |
| 08:12.05 | LimCore | ntpd |
| 08:12.18 | slxix | boot to? |
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| 08:12.31 | mquin | LimCore: this isn't on a Xen machine is it? |
| 08:12.38 | LimCore | mquin: nope. normal box |
| 08:12.59 | mquin | that's curious |
| 08:13.02 | slxix | how do you do ntpdate by hand? |
| 08:13.02 | owen1 | slxix: and later on i will be able to remove completly the ubuntu? |
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| 08:13.27 | mquin | might want to check that ntp.conf has the same servers listed as ntpdate is using |
| 08:13.37 | slxix | owen1: it'll be a useless partition. |
| 08:14.09 | LimCore | slxix: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 08:14.10 | owen1 | slxix: what does it mean? |
| 08:14.18 | LimCore | mquin: hmm |
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| 08:15.27 | slxix | owen1: that means you can do anything you want with your ubuntu partition when it's all done. |
| 08:16.19 | mquin | LimCore: on boot, ntpdate uses a list of servers defined in /etc/default/ntpdate. ntpd uses a list from /etc/ntp.conf (to avoid confusion these lists should be the same) |
| 08:16.47 | owen1 | slxix: got it. kind of. i'll dive into the docs you sent. |
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| 08:18.29 | slxix | owen1: i assume you mean the webpage link. |
| 08:19.33 | mquin | slxix: (re shuffle) FAT32 (at least the old ones did - not 100% sure if the new ones are the same) |
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| 08:20.26 | Spots | . |
| 08:20.35 | slxix | i installed debian on my laptop from a USB drive. |
| 08:20.38 | owen1 | slxix: yup |
| 08:20.47 | Diaper_Rash | hi ma3x |
| 08:21.41 | wols | !hsf |
| 08:21.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hsf is the Conexant SoftModem. Need it to work on Linux/Debian? Try here: http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/. HeatSink/Fan |
| 08:24.22 | owen1 | can i get a good/standard command line tool to create partitions? |
| 08:24.45 | streuner | its already installed, cfdisk |
| 08:25.04 | owen1 | streuner: great. thanks |
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| 08:25.28 | slxix | or resize2fs on an unmounted partition if you don't have any free space. |
| 08:25.38 | Spots | ok, > Ive been to that site |
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| 08:26.49 | Spots | ^^^ I = dling drivers - see how it goes |
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| 08:30.45 | slxix | f is my favorite aptitude command. |
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| 08:32.37 | Spots | right so ive got file.deb when dblclk >> 2 .tar.gz files .... |
| 08:33.54 | Spots | http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/install.php says : install the package with "dpkg -i hsfmodem_{version}_{arch}.deb", |
| 08:33.57 | Spots | WHAT DO I DO? |
| 08:34.02 | Mundus | aptitude is my least favorite debian command |
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| 08:34.40 | slxix | Mundus: why do you say that? |
| 08:35.00 | Mundus | It uninstalled every GUI application I had yesterday |
| 08:35.12 | slxix | oh, autoremove? |
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| 08:35.21 | Mundus | Yeh |
| 08:35.48 | streuner | Didn't it ask to confirm? |
| 08:36.01 | Mundus | I used aptitude to install rxvt-unicode, which resulted in all GUI apps, plus all of KDE and kdm uninstalled |
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| 08:36.25 | Mundus | Yes, but I would have noticed if it had listed all of the applications that was going to be uninstalled |
| 08:36.49 | slxix | Mundus: go through aptitude and press 'm' to mark all your favorite applications. aptitude won't remove them once it knows you want them. |
| 08:37.05 | Mundus | Or just stick to apt-get |
| 08:39.48 | Sprengelmeyer | Hello #debian again, I am having troubles running the mysql 5 daemon after a fresh install of mysql 5.0 on a freshly installed debian server. I have run mysql_install_db but that didnt seem to fix my problems |
| 08:40.36 | Spots | ok = go , but plz to pm with answers coz im no closer to getting the internet on linuxcomp |
| 08:40.42 | Diaper_Rash | evan can be the guy who just says "i'm here to dance, and only to dance" |
| 08:41.20 | Mundus | Okay, so now we've narrowed it down to "doesn't run" |
| 08:42.18 | slxix | Mundus: who are you talking to? |
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| 08:42.47 | Mundus | Sprengelmeyer: Can you specify? Do you get any error messages when you try running the daemon? |
| 08:43.21 | Sprengelmeyer | Mundus, Actually i think my VPS my be stopping it running. |
| 08:43.25 | Sprengelmeyer | Mundus, Never mind |
| 08:43.40 | Mundus | slxix: I'm on an 11k connection so it takes a while before what I type appears and even longer to submit |
| 08:44.13 | Mundus | Sprengelmeyer: Good stuff ^^ |
| 08:44.54 | slxix | Mundus: you must be doing something more than IRC. :) |
| 08:45.21 | Mundus | slxix: Approximately, lousy wireless connection |
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| 08:45.55 | slxix | switch to dialup? :) |
| 08:46.03 | Mundus | So the problem is probably package loss and not low bandwidth |
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| 08:48.02 | slxix | crashanddie lost his route. perhaps he'll live another day. |
| 08:48.36 | Mundus | slxix: There's not much point in pinging the computer I'm screening irssi on =P |
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| 08:50.05 | nonnie | hi |
| 08:50.06 | slxix | it helped me understand where your slowdown is. :) |
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| 08:51.04 | nonnie | anyone know how to reset root password if forgotten without single user mode working |
| 08:51.11 | arussel | I installed debian on a computer on wich there were Windows before. I forgot to save some picture on the |
| 08:51.22 | slxix | i've been having network issues for the past week. something keeps happening to the hotels gateway. i've been watching how computers panic and start broadcasting. |
| 08:51.27 | arussel | Windows, is there anyway to get them back ? |
| 08:51.38 | nonnie | can access an admin account but not root on su |
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| 08:54.21 | hoxu | !tell nonnie about i forgot root's password |
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| 08:55.22 | nonnie | ty |
| 08:55.34 | nonnie | will go try them :) |
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| 09:03.25 | nonnie | hoxu are them directions able to run inside a server admin account as none seem to work |
| 09:03.28 | Diaper_Rash | banjo kazooie |
| 09:03.51 | hoxu | nonnie, server admin account? |
| 09:04.04 | nonnie | as in server box hosted on net |
| 09:04.10 | hoxu | nonnie, a virtual server? |
| 09:04.11 | nonnie | but signed in as admin |
| 09:04.26 | nonnie | yep its debain based running openvz |
| 09:04.34 | hoxu | ask your hosting provider then |
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| 09:05.07 | nonnie | its the main box root thats houses the vps system i am the hoster |
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| 09:05.43 | wols | nonnie: boot from a LiveCD and chroot the system |
| 09:05.59 | nonnie | would but aint got access to the box |
| 09:06.15 | nonnie | anyway to do from admin account inside |
| 09:06.16 | wols | then ask someone who does |
| 09:06.29 | wols | inside what? |
| 09:06.34 | nonnie | i tried comapny they said wont boot to single user mode so cant alter |
| 09:06.42 | wols | the VPSes mustnt have access to the host |
| 09:06.57 | nonnie | im not inside a vps |
| 09:06.57 | wols | doesn't the company have a rescue system? |
| 09:07.16 | nonnie | im inside the box that houses vps systmes |
| 09:07.25 | wols | I asked you something |
| 09:07.49 | nonnie | company only replied cant alter |
| 09:07.57 | Diaper_Rash | they have had a top 10 offense every yaer for like 15 years |
| 09:07.59 | wols | then change company, seriously |
| 09:08.11 | wols | a remote box without phys acess without a rescue system is worthless |
| 09:08.16 | wols | any kernel upgrade can hose the system |
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| 09:09.20 | nonnie | will rerty company ask if they can run a rescue sustem for it |
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| 09:09.20 | nonnie | ty 4 advise |
| 09:09.20 | wols | nonnie: your goal is to access /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow- with write access. then you can change/reset root password |
| 09:09.25 | nonnie | yep |
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| 09:10.02 | nonnie | ty for advise wols m8 appreciate it |
| 09:10.07 | wols | nonnie: debian has no "admin" account and I dunno what priviledges that account has exactly. ask openvz people |
| 09:10.18 | wols | but: stop using proprietary shity like this |
| 09:10.38 | wols | openvz is only a bait to get virtuozzo |
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| 09:10.58 | wols | a ploy by parallels to get their code into the kernel so they don't have to maintain it all on their own |
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| 09:24.00 | amidelalune | dpkg, hi |
| 09:24.00 | dpkg | hi, amidelalune |
| 09:24.08 | amidelalune | tu vas bien? |
| 09:24.17 | amidelalune | dpkg, tu vas bien? |
| 09:24.18 | dpkg | amidelalune: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 09:28.07 | beardy | !ar |
| 09:28.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 09:28.27 | beardy | !pr |
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| 09:29.33 | beardy | !pt |
| 09:29.33 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 09:33.47 | malachi_constant | Is there any way for me to make it so that the numlock light is off, but that numlock is always on? |
| 09:34.05 | malachi_constant | I was going to cover it with electrical tape, but it just doesn't seem like an elegant solution. :) |
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| 09:36.14 | meeero | i created 3 differend partitions, / having 16GB, /var/ having 100GB and /var/log having 16 GB, i thought that /var/log will hav its own 16GB-storage space but df shows me that /var/ AND /var/log have 100GB, is that normal? |
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| 09:37.45 | malachi_constant | meeero: I've never seen behavior like that. I would guess not. Type 'mount' and see if the /var/log partition is mounted where you wanted it. |
| 09:38.05 | meeero | yes it is - md2, /var is on md3 and / on md1 |
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| 09:38.34 | malachi_constant | Check out fdisk or parted and see if the partition is the size you wanted it to be. |
| 09:39.16 | meeero | well /proc/mdstat shows that md2 has 16GB, md3 has 100 |
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| 09:39.45 | davi | nvidea vs ATI ? |
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| 09:40.04 | davi | free driver 3D nvidea vs ATI ? |
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| 09:40.31 | liable | davi: go visit phoronix |
| 09:40.41 | malachi_constant | meeero: not a clue. Sorry dude. |
| 09:40.52 | meeero | hm... but usually that should work, true? |
| 09:41.28 | malachi_constant | I've never worked with RAID before, but I would think it should be no different. |
| 09:41.35 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to install g++-4.2 on etch without it causing trouble? |
| 09:41.49 | Sazpaimon | one package in need to sid backport requires it |
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| 09:42.10 | meeero | that's my guess to - otherwise (if there were some logic) / should also have 100GB - since this is just as /var/ just one level upper from /var/log |
| 09:42.42 | Sazpaimon | i tried to run build-dep but it required an advanced version of dpkg-dev |
| 09:42.44 | Sazpaimon | so am I SOL? |
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| 09:46.36 | tyler | im having problems logging into my server (but im already logged in from remotely, so it was working before), i get "Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 09:46.42 | tyler | wtf does that mean? :x |
| 09:47.00 | tyler | googling right now |
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| 09:47.26 | meeero | i guess the password is wrong? try to set it "again" where you are already logged in |
| 09:47.49 | meeero | does that error occur when you try to login 3 times or at your first try? |
| 09:47.57 | tyler | erm, wtf ;x |
| 09:47.58 | tyler | 3rd time |
| 09:48.00 | tyler | worked fine |
| 09:48.03 | tyler | dunno WHY that happened. |
| 09:48.11 | meeero | capslock? :> |
| 09:48.11 | tyler | i guess i shouldve tried that first, lol |
| 09:48.14 | tyler | nope :P |
| 09:48.24 | meeero | you mean you changed the password as i suggested? |
| 09:48.24 | tyler | i wrote it down on a piece of paper, and ive already logged in |
| 09:48.27 | tyler | well |
| 09:48.31 | tyler | changed it to what i thought it was ;o |
| 09:48.41 | tyler | worked fine though |
| 09:48.44 | tyler | dunno why ;p |
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| 09:48.49 | tyler | ya know... |
| 09:48.57 | tyler | maybe i never changed it in the first place :x |
| 09:49.25 | tyler | its a new server, and i of course copy/pasted the password i got from the hosting company, and i have one wrote down ... but only thing im sure that is is my webmin password |
| 09:49.30 | tyler | maybe i never even changed it :) |
| 09:49.38 | tyler | shouldve tried that before i asked :D |
| 09:49.42 | tyler | thanks! |
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| 09:58.53 | meeero | i've got a plain debian etch installation. after changing etch to lenny in apt's sources i'm commiting an upgrade - a new kernel is installed then, grub is the bootloader, but the system does not automaticaly use the new kernel then, nothing is changed in grub's menu-configuration, is that normal? i think that i do remember that apt once changed that on another system |
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| 09:59.27 | wols | meeero: not normal |
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| 10:00.08 | meeero | maybe grub is not really set to be the default bootloader - lilo is installed too, so perhaps apt thinks that lilo is the default one - how to change that? |
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| 10:00.47 | prophet05 | !woody |
| 10:00.47 | dpkg | [woody] the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 10:01.02 | wols | nevyn: /etc/kernel-img.conf pastebin the file |
| 10:01.11 | Diaper_Rash | ...<censored>. |
| 10:01.18 | wols | uninstall lilo for starters |
| 10:01.34 | wols | meeero: pastebin /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 10:01.41 | meeero | give me a second |
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| 10:03.05 | pmo | hello, may i ask what sort of rss feeder do you use ? |
| 10:03.12 | aleksanteri | akregator |
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| 10:03.23 | meeero | there it is: http://pastebin.ca/1041135 |
| 10:03.35 | pmo | aleksanteri, do you heavily use rss feed ? |
| 10:03.42 | aleksanteri | not really |
| 10:03.47 | Diaper_Rash | even if i end up fucking hating her |
| 10:04.54 | pmo | aleksanteri, i supposed so :), i'd like to hear the point of view, of someone who is using feeds heavily, daily basis / hour |
| 10:05.01 | aleksanteri | heh :> |
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| 10:05.13 | aleksanteri | well i do check them once a day |
| 10:05.15 | wols | meeero: you are missing tow lines postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub and postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 10:05.26 | wols | meeero: right now, just run update-grub (as root) |
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| 10:05.41 | aleksanteri | but then, i'm just watching planet {debian,kde} and some news so i don't really consider myself a heavy rss user :) |
| 10:05.43 | wols | pmo: how is this a debian related support question? |
| 10:05.51 | wols | pmo: ask rss or web or something |
| 10:05.52 | aleksanteri | hmm.. and that too |
| 10:05.56 | Diaper_Rash | the movie one |
| 10:06.00 | wols | #rss, #web |
| 10:06.00 | olspookishmagus | hello everyone :) |
| 10:06.11 | olspookishmagus | what ha happened to the lame package in Debian; |
| 10:06.18 | wols | !lame |
| 10:06.18 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:06.22 | pmo | wols, there is rss programs on debian, and i dont know which one to use |
| 10:06.35 | wols | !tell pmo about best |
| 10:06.39 | meeero | hey, that's easy :) so will grubs menu be update everytime a new kernel is installed from now on? or do i have to run update-grub everytime manually when i new kernel was installed? |
| 10:06.53 | olspookishmagus | !debian-multimedia |
| 10:06.53 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 10:06.56 | wols | meeero: you have to add the lines to make it happen |
| 10:06.57 | meeero | or you meant that i'd have to append these 2 lines for that behaviour? |
| 10:07.02 | meeero | okay, thank you |
| 10:07.07 | wols | and right now run it once |
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| 10:08.18 | tyler | do i need the "debian-sys-maint" mysql user? |
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| 10:08.30 | pmo | wols, best for heavy use, if that makes sense, i just feel akregator dont have that much functionality.. it will popup new feed, but it will still be considered unread, after you acknowledge them etc |
| 10:08.31 | slxix | what a pain in the butt |
| 10:08.48 | owen1 | i am trying to create a new partition and install debian. i type cfdisk. should i choose 'maximize' in the menu? |
| 10:09.00 | slxix | i need to learn about IPv6 |
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| 10:09.27 | slxix | actually, ICMPv6.. |
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| 10:09.41 | wols | owen1: keep some space for swap |
| 10:09.54 | pmo | slxix, what for, if i may ask ? |
| 10:09.59 | wols | owen1: and why do you type cfdisk? |
| 10:10.15 | slxix | ..and MDNS. wols: i'm trying to figure out what's going on in this hotel network. |
| 10:10.16 | owen1 | wols: i want to create new partition.. |
| 10:10.40 | wols | slxix: I didn' talk to you |
| 10:10.59 | slxix | oh. sorry. i'm going crazy. |
| 10:11.01 | wols | owen1: then create a new one and tell it how many MB/GB you want it to be and at what end of the disk |
| 10:11.04 | liable | trumpen: i think so, theres a mysql cron job run daily iirc |
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| 10:11.29 | owen1 | wols: how do i create new one? 'maximize?' |
| 10:11.39 | _moro_bana_ | im using dd for cloning a disk, should the destination drive be unmounted? |
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| 10:12.04 | wedge | _moro_bana_: preferably |
| 10:12.14 | _moro_bana_ | thanks |
| 10:12.14 | wols | owen1: press enter when free space is highlighted |
| 10:12.17 | Diaper_Rash | neurostu: think manual would be worth a shot? |
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| 10:13.07 | wols | the source one better be mounted read only or unmounted too of he will get a nasty surprise |
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| 10:13.25 | owen1 | wols: where is the free space? i have 2 partitions: ex3 and swap |
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| 10:13.45 | wols | owen1: if there is no free space you cannot create a new partition. end of story |
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| 10:14.13 | owen1 | wols: can i create free space? |
| 10:14.17 | pmo | slxix, was me asking, thanks for the answer, tho |
| 10:14.26 | wols | you can resize your existing partitions, make them smaller |
| 10:14.33 | _moro_bana_ | wedge: will i have to use the same uuid for the drives on grub? , i will need the clone to be bootable |
| 10:15.00 | wols | _moro_bana_: your source drive MUST be read only mounted or unmounted btw |
| 10:15.09 | owen1 | wols: ok. go to 'units'? |
| 10:15.09 | wols | _moro_bana_: what debian version exactly? |
| 10:15.28 | wols | owen1: you cannot do that in cfdisk. boot from a LiveCD and use gparted for this |
| 10:15.38 | Sazpaimon | who runs the debian-multimedia repository? |
| 10:15.44 | _moro_bana_ | wols: debain-ubuntu |
| 10:15.51 | wols | slxix: christian marillat |
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| 10:15.57 | wols | _moro_bana_: we do not support ubuntu at all |
| 10:16.06 | wols | _moro_bana_: read the topic. and go to #ubuntu |
| 10:16.07 | Sazpaimon | im assuming that was directed at me wolffc |
| 10:16.10 | Sazpaimon | ... |
| 10:16.11 | Sazpaimon | ha ha ha |
| 10:16.47 | slxix | wols: christian marillat runs debian-multimedia? |
| 10:16.53 | owen1 | wols: let me describe my situation, just to be sure: i am using ubuntu and want to create a partition for debian. i can't do it with a command line tool? |
| 10:16.56 | wols | yes :) |
| 10:16.58 | _moro_bana_ | wols: ok, but thats debian, |
| 10:17.05 | wols | owen1: go away. we do not support ubuntu |
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| 10:17.14 | Sazpaimon | well, someone should tell him that some of his package requirements are absolutely atrocious |
| 10:17.14 | _moro_bana_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.16 | wols | ask them how to create partitions there |
| 10:17.27 | Sazpaimon | example, his sid package for mplayer requires g++-4.2 |
| 10:17.36 | wols | _moro_bana_: I just told you you are OT here. please stop asking and ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:17.36 | _moro_bana_ | sorry i meant to paste that somewhere else |
| 10:17.37 | defrysk | owen1, get a live cd of ubuntu and resize a partition for howto ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:17.43 | Diaper_Rash | talking animal movie. |
| 10:17.49 | Sazpaimon | i removed that requirement just to test it, and ran debuild, and im looking at properly generated .debs |
| 10:17.54 | owen1 | wols: i am trying to install debian and you are slaping me in the face? |
| 10:17.58 | Diaper_Rash | i dont know |
| 10:18.08 | wols | Sazpaimon: that is normal. nvidia drivers insist on libc6 2.7 too |
| 10:18.12 | rahsputin | Hi. I would like to make a life cd of the system configurations i have runnin now... what software am i looking for to do this ? |
| 10:18.27 | rahsputin | livecd^ |
| 10:18.29 | _moro_bana_ | wols: sorry, did not mean to offend , mistake |
| 10:18.29 | Sazpaimon | wols, its still silly |
| 10:18.35 | Sazpaimon | wols, and i dont see much point |
| 10:18.36 | owen1 | defrysk: ok. thanks |
| 10:18.36 | wols | owen1: I am telling you you should ask ubuntu about how to do stuff in ubuntu and not #debian |
| 10:19.03 | Sazpaimon | especially his packages that require debhelper 7 for absolutely no reason at all |
| 10:19.06 | wols | Sazpaimon: the point is laziness and ease of use for maintainers. and after all, it's sid |
| 10:19.08 | rahsputin | !livecd |
| 10:19.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 10:19.09 | Diaper_Rash | there are girls that i find "okay" but never "worth it" |
| 10:19.11 | wols | in sidd g++ 4.2 is standard |
| 10:19.21 | owen1 | wols: got it. but you can say it in a nicer way than "go away" |
| 10:19.21 | Sazpaimon | i'll give you that |
| 10:19.45 | Sazpaimon | but i still believe that most people use sid for backports |
| 10:19.46 | defrysk | owen1, /j #pout |
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| 10:20.03 | wols | owen1: you'renot the first ubuntu user here asking for help.... you guys get to be annoying. see _moro_bana_ for another example |
| 10:20.16 | owen1 | wols: especially when i am trying to get rid of my ubuntu and install debian.. |
| 10:20.38 | wols | owen1: I LONG ago told you what to do. just as defrysk did. now do it |
| 10:20.58 | wols | Sazpaimon: you are mistaken. most use lenny for a reason |
| 10:21.02 | Sazpaimon | wel, using the sid mplayer didnt fix my encoding issue |
| 10:21.06 | wols | Sazpaimon: doesn't change it too much tho |
| 10:21.06 | Diaper_Rash | i downloaded the full song and it is amazin |
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| 10:21.21 | Sazpaimon | wols, I'm one of the few that apparently follow the rules when it comes to servers though :P |
| 10:21.33 | wols | Diaper_Rash: stop the troll attempts please |
| 10:21.35 | tyler | from scp: "-p Preserves modification times, access times, and modes from the original file." ..... would this include permissions as well? i see no other option to preserve permissions |
| 10:21.57 | versuchsanstalt | owen1: check out gparted. it may be installed on your heretic system anyway :-) |
| 10:22.34 | _moro_bana_ | wols: sometimes i come here even to help |
| 10:22.38 | wols | versuchsanstalt: I'm actually sure the livecd of ubuntu has it. and he shouldn't run it on the system that booted from the partition to resize. bad things will happen |
| 10:22.52 | owen1 | versuchsanstalt: ok. i just want to learn how to use text-based tools so i thought it can be done with cfdisk. |
| 10:23.00 | wols | owen1: parted |
| 10:23.08 | Diaper_Rash | drash: i want to get rid of windows... but i still need some of my files there... |
| 10:23.24 | versuchsanstalt | owen1: qparted is a gui for parted |
| 10:23.28 | wols | !ops Diaper_Rash is trying to troll. please make him stop |
| 10:23.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: Diaper_Rash is trying to troll. please make him stop |
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| 10:23.50 | versuchsanstalt | owen1: and wols is right about booting from a live cd etc |
| 10:24.06 | owen1 | wols: versuchsanstalt: cool. thanks. |
| 10:24.17 | slxix | owen1: check your private msg's. |
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| 10:24.33 | owen1 | slxix: ok |
| 10:25.14 | tyler | can someone help? ... does scps -p option preserve permissions? there is no other option that i see to do so |
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| 10:25.31 | wols | tyler: it uses the owner/group of the user you are logged in as. rights might be default umask or maybe preserved. dunno |
| 10:25.37 | tyler | manpage says "-p Preserves modification times, access times, and modes from the original file." |
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| 10:25.45 | wols | !tell tyler about repeat |
| 10:25.45 | tyler | i see |
| 10:25.52 | Diaper_Rash | that's nothing, my secret of mana still works |
| 10:26.01 | tyler | wols: the reason i repeated was because nobody was compelled to answer :) |
| 10:26.05 | Diaper_Rash | nicholas: well, i guess that could work, but, every time i try wine, it tends to be a hassle. maybe i'll set up a dual boot or something. |
| 10:26.08 | tyler | and i guarentee it wouldve gone unanswered had i not |
| 10:26.11 | wols | tyler: that is no reason. all you do is annoy people |
| 10:26.15 | tyler | thank you though :) |
| 10:26.32 | wols | no. I was already typing. but since you insist, I now ignore you. have a nice day |
| 10:26.37 | tyler | uh, k |
| 10:26.40 | defrysk | lol |
| 10:26.41 | elkbuntu | wols, all you do is berate people |
| 10:26.43 | Diaper_Rash | ironfoot_495 it may mean you need to be registered |
| 10:26.53 | wols | elkbuntu: !ops. or ban me from ubuntu or something |
| 10:27.07 | wols | elkbuntu: plus you're lieing. don't you have to be PC somewhere else? |
| 10:27.13 | tyler | wols: i appreciate your help but maybe you could ... chill :) |
| 10:27.17 | elkbuntu | i rest my case. |
| 10:27.22 | tyler | i do support as well, believe it or not. |
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| 10:28.08 | tyler | purpose of a support channel isnt to put down said users requesting help, its to help them isnt it? :/ |
| 10:28.34 | wols | elkbuntu: how about YOU help people for a change instead of lurking. I did help several people the last hour. you however haven't helped ever. at least I never saw anything, enither here or ubuntu |
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| 10:28.44 | wols | all you ever did was telling people how to behave |
| 10:29.10 | elkbuntu | ha! |
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| 10:30.01 | tyler | lol |
| 10:30.15 | ghosTM55 | hi all,i got a problem,i can't get my system clock set right,my BIOS time is GTM+8(come from Shanghai,China),but everytime i boot into debian,it's time will be 8 hours faster |
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| 10:30.32 | tyler | i cant help but comment, this is a support channel, its also irc, nobody is making anyone stay, so youre damn sad if youre bitching about helping here, heh |
| 10:30.44 | wols | ghosTM55: pastebin your /etc/default/rcS |
| 10:30.47 | WormFood | ghosTM55, I was in ä¸æµ· last week |
| 10:30.53 | tyler | ghosTM55: have you thought about ntp? |
| 10:30.58 | versuchsanstalt | people, let's just keep #6 from !guidelines in mind and stop wasting everybody's time, won't we? |
| 10:31.02 | WormFood | GhostInTheShell, what is your hardware clock set to? |
| 10:31.11 | cusco | ghosTM55: ask dpkg about tzdata |
| 10:31.14 | WormFood | er, I mean ghosTM55 |
| 10:31.17 | cusco | !tell ghosTM55 about tzdata |
| 10:31.24 | Diaper_Rash | asulutzy, same thing happen! i need install the kernel sources... |
| 10:31.54 | cusco | ghosTM55: I meant tzconfig |
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| 10:32.07 | ghosTM55 | WormFood: it is my localtime , time in Shanghai |
| 10:32.10 | Bushmills | dpkg, annihilate * |
| 10:32.10 | dpkg | Bushmills: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:32.22 | wols | ghosTM55: can you please do what I told you? |
| 10:32.27 | WormFood | ghosTM55, it is my local time too |
| 10:32.31 | wols | ghosTM55: plus pastebin your /etc/timezone |
| 10:32.46 | ghosTM55 | wols: okay,let me check it first |
| 10:33.35 | ghosTM55 | wols: it is Asia/Shanghai , so it will plus 8 hours right? |
| 10:33.46 | magical_trevsky | why not just set the hwclock to utc D: |
| 10:33.49 | wols | ghosTM55: I asked for the /etc/default/rcS as well |
| 10:34.02 | tyler | by the way, for anyones future reference, scp *does* in fact preserve permissions as long as -p is specified, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/27 :) |
| 10:34.04 | WormFood | ghosTM55, maybe, but don't bet on it |
| 10:34.18 | ghosTM55 | wols: oh , i see it , i set UTC=yes |
| 10:34.19 | Bushmills | ghosTM55: your time ist "corrected" twice. once by time zone, once by BIOS clockl being set to loal time |
| 10:34.20 | WormFood | ghosTM55, try setting it to "Asia/Macau" |
| 10:34.27 | Diaper_Rash | ais523: no |
| 10:34.37 | wols | ghosTM55: you know what to do? |
| 10:34.46 | ghosTM55 | i got the solution , thx for everyone's help , i know how to deal with it now |
| 10:34.59 | ghosTM55 | wols: yes |
| 10:35.03 | wols | good |
| 10:35.17 | ghosTM55 | wols: thx for help |
| 10:35.22 | WormFood | look in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ for what you can put in /etc/timezone |
| 10:35.29 | ghosTM55 | wols: my english is poooooor |
| 10:35.30 | ghosTM55 | wols: ;) |
| 10:35.33 | wols | WormFood: it's not his problem |
| 10:35.41 | ghosTM55 | WormFood: i know how to deal with it , thx :D |
| 10:35.43 | wols | ghosTM55: better than the english merkins speak :P |
| 10:36.29 | ghosTM55 | wols: what does merkin mean? |
| 10:36.45 | wols | a nice way to describe people from the USA |
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| 10:36.56 | WormFood | listen to how the word sounds |
| 10:37.00 | anddam | hello |
| 10:37.11 | ghosTM55 | wols: ah , i see :D |
| 10:37.13 | WormFood | it sounds close to "americans", if you drop the "a" |
| 10:37.18 | ghosTM55 | anddam: hi there |
| 10:37.30 | ghosTM55 | WormFood: oh! |
| 10:37.46 | wols | ghosTM55: it also has the connotation of being the word for pubic wig in shakespeare's time apparently |
| 10:38.01 | ghosTM55 | wols: okay |
| 10:38.09 | Diaper_Rash | hello |
| 10:38.58 | WormFood | ghosTM55, if you speak mandarin, or are learning it, I invite you to join #mandarin |
| 10:39.17 | ghosTM55 | WormFood: okay |
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| 10:39.24 | ghosTM55 | WormFood: it's my motherlanguage |
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| 10:46.33 | liassist | hello to all |
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| 10:48.58 | liassist | will debian work on my system and give me as much as pakages that ubuntu will give??(my system is 256mb ram 1.4ghz processer and 64mb vram)(i need a good distro for this configuration)(iam new to linux)(what version will be best,)i want a nice and good DE and WM with menu's and all stuff like gnome(but not gnome) |
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| 10:49.44 | WormFood | what is good for you depends on what you want to do with it |
| 10:50.11 | WormFood | if you want to run gnome or kde, then I strongly suggest you invest in some more ram |
| 10:50.27 | WormFood | I personally run 2 gig of ram in my 1.8 Mhz machines (both my desktop and laptop) |
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| 10:51.01 | WormFood | oops, I only upgraded my laptop to 1 gig.....I was thinking I had 2 gig in it |
| 10:51.38 | WormFood | liassist, what are you wanting to do with it? |
| 10:52.30 | liassist | well i wnat to work (do the usual play doom skulltag office and stuff)(it should be ideal) |
| 10:52.34 | Diaper_Rash | narf! |
| 10:52.43 | versuchsanstalt | liassist: 1 gb is plenty. 768 is enough. 512 can be enough. 256 is poor. |
| 10:53.17 | liassist | well i have 256(not upgradeable) iam ready to use some other DE (swapping is ok) |
| 10:53.32 | versuchsanstalt | i dont want to say that it's impossible to run and use kde or gnome with 256mb only. |
| 10:53.55 | versuchsanstalt | just a matter of, erm, patience. :-) |
| 10:53.56 | Sazpaimon | 256MB ram and 64MB vram? |
| 10:54.04 | Sazpaimon | KDE/Gnome? |
| 10:54.08 | Sazpaimon | you must be joking |
| 10:54.12 | WormFood | I suggest you don't run gnome or kde, and get a light weight window manager |
| 10:54.24 | liassist | please no time for that kde and gnome are oyt of the question |
| 10:54.30 | liassist | *out |
| 10:54.34 | Diaper_Rash | hm. or it might read the same. i don't remember if that's before or after the latest release. |
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| 10:55.08 | liassist | xfce! openbox3 + kde! (now these are great)!! |
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| 10:56.09 | WormFood | liassist, why is the ram not upgradable? that sounds a little odd, unless you have some very strange machine |
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| 10:56.52 | liassist | its called assembled machine (i did it myself and now i hve to pay) |
| 10:57.40 | anddam | liassist: you have to face that 256Mb isn't much nowaday, you can have a look a distro aimed to space saving, search PuppyLinux for instance |
| 10:58.16 | anddam | anddam: debian can definitely work in 256Mb for what you said |
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| 10:58.23 | liassist | puppylinux concentrates on harddrive space not memory (its completely out of the option!!) |
| 10:59.02 | WormFood | you can run kde and gnome with 256 meg of ram....just don't expect it to be fast |
| 10:59.12 | WormFood | and I hope you have a fast hard drive |
| 10:59.24 | liassist | xp is working currently with 304mb swapping and the performnce is great (is the same as linux) |
| 10:59.50 | anddam | so stay with xp, why ever change something that's working? |
| 10:59.52 | liassist | wormfood, my hard drive is a SATA II 7200rpm (78mbps) |
| 11:00.17 | WormFood | what? why would you have a nice hard drive, and shit memory size? |
| 11:00.17 | anddam | man if you can mount a SATA you should go and buy a RAM stick |
| 11:00.25 | liassist | xp is shitting with viruses and i hve to learn linux!! |
| 11:00.33 | WormFood | heh |
| 11:00.46 | WormFood | if you are being "forced" to learn linux, you won't like it |
| 11:00.51 | anddam | enough |
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| 11:00.57 | Diaper_Rash | grr |
| 11:01.05 | WormFood | I dumped windows off my desktop, and switched to linux 100% back in 1999 |
| 11:01.09 | liassist | well, i love linux |
| 11:01.22 | WormFood | I have been running Linux since 1994 or 1995 |
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| 11:01.42 | SPF | my server is linux since 2004, desktop is almost running linux |
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| 11:02.06 | WormFood | I can't run winblows on the desktop....too hard to use |
| 11:02.17 | slxix | eh? |
| 11:02.21 | WormFood | Linux is hard to learn, but easy to use.....windows is easy to learn, but hard to use |
| 11:02.29 | WormFood | easy to learn is NOT the same as easy to use |
| 11:02.36 | versuchsanstalt | that's a good one, WormFood |
| 11:02.45 | SPF | yea, good one |
| 11:02.53 | Diaper_Rash | madhag: er, what? |
| 11:03.21 | WormFood | it is true |
| 11:03.24 | versuchsanstalt | learning windows is learning to navigate around its many glitches, that's how i used to put it. but your approach is better |
| 11:03.53 | WormFood | I had someone tell me point blank, that "easy to learn" and "easy to use" are the same thing |
| 11:04.23 | WormFood | I use riding a bike as an example, of hard to learn, but easy to do |
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| 11:04.28 | versuchsanstalt | everybody got their own perspective, dont they all |
| 11:04.33 | aleksanteri | has been using linux for 1½ years now but has winblowz on dualboot. however he rarely uses it |
| 11:04.36 | anddam | WormFood: windows isn't easy to learn |
| 11:04.46 | WormFood | sure it is |
| 11:04.52 | WormFood | it just isn't easy to use |
| 11:04.55 | versuchsanstalt | anddam: but it's written on the packaging! |
| 11:04.58 | versuchsanstalt | :) |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/init.d/network-manager' returned no results. |
| 11:05.29 | anddam | versuchsanstalt: nonetheless it's untrue |
| 11:05.32 | Diaper_Rash | it's like the rain dance but slower |
| 11:05.36 | versuchsanstalt | :-( |
| 11:06.00 | nightstrike_ | windows is all about anger management :P |
| 11:06.14 | x1250 | lol |
| 11:06.17 | versuchsanstalt | so it seems to be right that i ditched it a few years ago... ;-) |
| 11:06.40 | versuchsanstalt | nightstrike_: true |
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| 11:07.22 | nightstrike_ | i'm glad i got rid of it 6 months back... |
| 11:07.38 | nightstrike_ | i'm just sad i cant game like i used to :( |
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| 11:10.05 | chlue | Hello, I miss a way to suspend my system form kde. Running /etc/acpi/sleep.sh as root works fine, but this does not lock my workstation, is cumbersomely and leaves a bash with admin rights open. I tried kpowersave, but for some reason it only locks the workstation. Any hints whats might be wrong/missing? I use debian lenny. |
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| 11:14.44 | Supaplex | !tell chlue -about search |
| 11:14.50 | Supaplex | chlue: failing that, there's sudo too |
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| 11:16.26 | chlue | Supaplex: I am trying for half an hour now. Apparently I dont ask google the right questions,... |
| 11:17.03 | Supaplex | no, as in apt-cache search acpi or apm or suspend |
| 11:17.05 | Supaplex | !suspend |
| 11:17.05 | dpkg | hmm... suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!), or http://www.linux.com/articles/54610 and http://dotcommie.net/projects/XPS-M1210/ |
| 11:17.16 | Supaplex | anyway, i'm off to bed. good luck. |
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| 11:18.51 | visof | http://pastebin.com/m2f24200a , i have this erro when i try to install gawk |
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| 11:24.24 | Prathibha | hai to all |
| 11:24.32 | dbmoodb | hi ah i'm trying to use ettercap on my own network for my own testing purposes i'm on lenny and i can't figure how to get it working |
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| 11:24.56 | dbmoodb | it seems libnet isn't working nicely and its not handling passing back the connections |
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| 11:27.33 | wols | !tell dbmoodb about errors |
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| 11:28.11 | dbmoodb | wols trying to sniff ssl to see how easy it is on my lenny comp i will grab the exact error message for you in one minute |
| 11:28.28 | wols | not for me, for the channel |
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| 11:28.50 | dbmoodb | SEND L3 ERROR: 57 byte packet (0800:11) destined to 203.X.X.X was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted) |
| 11:28.50 | dbmoodb | ) |
| 11:30.02 | wols | operation not permitted? are you root? |
| 11:30.11 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 11:30.25 | wols | any funkiness like VMs, VPS, UML or such? |
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| 11:30.43 | dbmoodb | me ? i do have virtualbox networking services running |
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| 11:31.01 | wols | is vbox involved in all this somehow |
| 11:31.08 | dbmoodb | i hope not |
| 11:31.09 | wols | like one endpoint being the vbox OS |
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| 11:31.36 | dbmoodb | nar i'm testing it out via my other comp i'm just sshing over to it to see when i get a result i want (ssl cert changed) |
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| 11:34.55 | tyler | im attempting to compile something, succesfully configured it, but i cant compile it ....wtf?? |
| 11:35.03 | tyler | -bash: make: command not found |
| 11:35.04 | tyler | heh |
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| 11:36.26 | petemc | why is the fact you havent installled make funny? |
| 11:36.38 | tyler | i dunno, it is a bit funny :) |
| 11:36.48 | petemc | not univerally |
| 11:36.48 | tyler | i thought it was installed by default? |
| 11:36.56 | tyler | it .. should be |
| 11:36.57 | tyler | heh |
| 11:36.57 | petemc | s/er/ers/ |
| 11:37.13 | tyler | so its not installed by default o_o? |
| 11:37.19 | petemc | no, nor should it be |
| 11:37.29 | tyler | it has been with every other system ive used :P |
| 11:37.46 | tyler | centos, fedora, gentoo |
| 11:37.48 | tyler | among others |
| 11:37.55 | tyler | thanks though :) |
| 11:37.57 | tyler | did not realise that |
| 11:37.59 | petemc | any time |
| 11:38.00 | chlue | tyler: I think you need build-essential till debian4 |
| 11:38.07 | tyler | its 4.0 :) |
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| 11:41.01 | wols | debian is a very customizable distro. in the end of the install there was a dialog. on that dialog there was an item "C/C++ development" or such. if you clicked that you get all you need for programming in C incl. make |
| 11:41.08 | wols | if you don't, debian doesn't install |
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| 11:41.24 | wols | Other distros always install everything and the kitchensink, if you need it or not |
| 11:41.40 | dbmoodb | wols: and debian doesn't try to get packages to depend on more packages then before at least |
| 11:41.54 | tyler | i see |
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| 11:43.00 | dbmoodb | tyler: think of it this way do you need it, good then get it but just because you don't have it be "default" if you don't choose to install it doesn't it make it any harder to go apt-get install FOO |
| 11:43.20 | tyler | very true |
| 11:43.25 | xand | let's have all packages installed by default! |
| 11:43.30 | tyler | i never said that |
| 11:43.38 | tyler | its simply a commonly used tool |
| 11:43.46 | tyler | hence why i assumed it wouldve already been installed :) |
| 11:44.01 | xand | many people don't compile things |
| 11:44.04 | tyler | and, i didnt do the install on this server btw, so its not like i wasnt paying attention to how i was installing it :P |
| 11:44.24 | dbmoodb | well tyler it seems a lot of people come in here and ask the same question where is my compiler ah oh noes |
| 11:44.29 | xand | debian is often used for servers etc where compilation is not needed |
| 11:44.41 | xand | and even specifically a bad thing to have |
| 11:44.49 | dbmoodb | and having no compiler is a good thing in some areas |
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| 11:45.08 | dbmoodb | xand: users can always compile on their own systems .... |
| 11:45.20 | tyler | this is a server and nothing else, heh |
| 11:45.29 | liable | wols: huh? i have never seen that c dev stuff during install. |
| 11:45.41 | tyler | like i said i had just not used a system before that didnt already have it |
| 11:45.45 | tyler | and, its cool |
| 11:45.46 | tyler | now i know |
| 11:46.03 | dbmoodb | well tyler could you uninstall it from lets say fedora ?... |
| 11:46.20 | tyler | im not sure if you could uninstall it, havent tried yet :) |
| 11:46.23 | Diaper_Rash | i mean, i'm totally useless here, so... |
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| 11:46.34 | tyler | but i do know it is installed |
| 11:46.43 | tyler | likewise with centos4/5 |
| 11:46.48 | wols | liable: there is a development tasksel option |
| 11:47.02 | wols | dunno if it's C/C++ or simply development/programming |
| 11:47.09 | tyler | yes, you can uninstall it with centos if you wish |
| 11:47.15 | tyler | but it was included by default |
| 11:47.27 | dbmoodb | tyler: it is nice to be able to run debian on a small box .... like people talk about dsl well debian etch depending on what yo u pick can be very small too |
| 11:47.27 | liable | wols: maybe in expert, i cant say i have ever seen it during install. |
| 11:47.53 | wols | liable: after all, gcc is on disk 1 |
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| 11:48.07 | hoocking | hola |
| 11:49.58 | liable | wols: tasksel during install, or after? |
| 11:50.21 | Skratz0r | says bai |
| 11:50.24 | liable | i am not saying it doesnt exist, but i havent seen it, and i have been fucking withthe installer a lot lately |
| 11:50.38 | Trash2 | anybody installed pptp VPN? |
| 11:50.43 | Diaper_Rash | dav: every single deb on your system is installed by dpkg and only by dpkg. nothing else. i already told you that |
| 11:50.50 | Trash2 | which modules does it need? |
| 11:51.17 | dbmoodb | anyone got any ideas for me btw --- re ettercap |
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| 11:53.08 | Orion_X11 | I have X here, but I'd like to start in text mode. How do I do this? Do I have to change runlevel? Where? |
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| 11:53.33 | liable | !nodm |
| 11:53.34 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 11:53.39 | Diaper_Rash | yah |
| 11:54.21 | wols | liable: at the end of installation |
| 11:54.52 | liable | wols: never seen it. take your word.. (for what its worth..) ;) |
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| 11:55.49 | wols | liable: to be fair, long time since I installed debian. it's rarely necessary :P |
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| 11:56.03 | liable | *nod* |
| 11:56.50 | plota | can you choose to not install a desktop thing at install time? |
| 11:56.56 | petemc | yes |
| 11:57.14 | dbmoodb | yippie it works on etch :) |
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| 11:58.04 | wols | plota: you don't have to install anything except base |
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| 12:00.15 | Orion_X11 | liable: Thx |
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| 12:02.05 | wfq | hi guys |
| 12:02.51 | wfq | I just upgraded and dist-upgraded my debian testing and tried to install iceweasel via aptitude install and got segmentation fault when trying to launch |
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| 12:05.22 | wfq | how could I debug that indeed so that I can get a hint to follow? |
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| 12:05.35 | wfq | has that happened to any of you guys? |
| 12:05.51 | wols | !tell wfq about bts |
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| 12:06.50 | WormFood | wfq, most likely you have a hardware problem |
| 12:06.57 | Bushmills | wfq: strace. |
| 12:07.05 | Bushmills | maybe ltrace |
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| 12:08.23 | wfq | ok, guys, wols, WormFood,Bushmills thanks. Checking everything... |
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| 12:08.39 | ProN00b | how do i get a current kernel (2.6.24 or higher) on etch ? |
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| 12:09.47 | Davo_Dinkum | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/2.0.0.12-g1/ how do i make this into a deb package so i can install it? |
| 12:11.00 | Bushmills | wfq: create a new profile, start that one |
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| 12:11.54 | wfq | Buslmills, ok, I will I am using that iceweasel -g firefox-bin -d gdb in order to follow the hints |
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| 12:15.24 | [Elvis] | hej guys |
| 12:15.30 | [Elvis] | how do I se a NFS to version 3 in debian |
| 12:15.33 | [Elvis] | instead of versoin 4 |
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| 12:19.50 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: set RPCMOUNTOPTS in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server to contain --no-nfs-version 4 |
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| 12:19.57 | valdyn | Davo_Dinkum: what's the point of using gnuzilla instead of iceweasel? |
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| 12:20.24 | Bushmills | or look up that option in /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server, change it there |
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| 12:21.04 | Bushmills | in fact, adding that option in /etc/defaults may not work |
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| 12:24.21 | Bushmills | wrong. it should work |
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| 12:28.25 | wfq | hi guys |
| 12:28.29 | slxix | hi |
| 12:28.38 | wfq | why can I not create a subfolder in here: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20480 2008-06-07 14:03 components |
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| 12:28.55 | slxix | are you root? |
| 12:28.56 | ghosTM55 | wfq: you don't have the write permission |
| 12:29.03 | wfq | why not? |
| 12:29.04 | wfq | I am root |
| 12:29.09 | Diaper_Rash | xander |
| 12:29.12 | ghosTM55 | wfq: mmm... |
| 12:29.17 | wfq | ffs, I am not |
| 12:29.19 | wfq | sorry :) |
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| 12:29.24 | wfq | I was an user |
| 12:29.38 | wfq | I was as an user... |
| 12:29.46 | slxix | damn those users. |
| 12:29.56 | Bushmills | !lart |
| 12:30.12 | wfq | hahah |
| 12:30.12 | ghosTM55 | wfq: ... |
| 12:30.13 | eBGP | !ÐÐТР|
| 12:30.24 | Davo_Dinkum | yay russian |
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| 12:30.33 | debianforlife | what is the best iptables webGUI to use? |
| 12:30.34 | wfq | sorry guys... my braing is starting to show smoke |
| 12:30.38 | eBGP | Davo_Dinkum, hi) |
| 12:30.43 | Davo_Dinkum | hello |
| 12:31.20 | wfq | is there a way to force dpkg --purge to delete a folder? |
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| 12:32.09 | Bushmills | wfq: will remove when empty. if not, too dangerous as arg to dpkg - better rm it yourself |
| 12:33.25 | wfq | Buslmills, I think I know what the problem is with my firefox. When the new installation is done,the components of iceweasel are not overwritten so there is a mix of out of date libraries...Yes, I will rm by myself |
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| 12:35.01 | Bushmills | wfq: if you're sure . i have seen firefox failing before when new version was using an old profile. |
| 12:35.32 | wfq | Bushmills, but what do yo mean as creating a new profile please? |
| 12:35.49 | Bushmills | wfq, iceweasel --ProfileManager |
| 12:36.12 | wfq | ok, I think you are right because now, strace is telling me the problem is because of 'another obsolete' file |
| 12:36.36 | Bushmills | can pass a profile as arg, like iceweasel -P profilename |
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| 12:38.49 | unixSnob | is there a way to force modprobe to install a module from a specified path (ie. not /lib/modules)? |
| 12:39.21 | valdyn | unixSnob: why would you do that? |
| 12:39.35 | Bushmills | unixSnob: insmod |
| 12:39.38 | unixSnob | valdyn: just compiled a new module, and simply need to test it |
| 12:39.44 | unixSnob | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 12:40.06 | wfq | Bushmills, here we go. At the end, I could not rung that because of i got also sgemetnation faultso I have removed every single file on my own, then puge the configuration and re-install it again |
| 12:40.09 | wfq | it worked |
| 12:40.11 | Gorbachov__ | hi everyone |
| 12:40.13 | Gorbachov__ | :) |
| 12:40.30 | Bushmills | wfq: there you go |
| 12:40.38 | Gorbachov__ | I have big troubles with one backup script and Cron on a debian lenny |
| 12:41.05 | wfq | Bushmills, thank you very much for your help |
| 12:41.13 | Bushmills | wfq: yw |
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| 12:42.16 | Bushmills | Gorbachov__: i have a cup of hot lemon with honey in front of me |
| 12:42.32 | Gorbachov__ | :) |
| 12:42.56 | Gorbachov__ | 0 17 * * * root /root/cron_backup |
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| 12:43.09 | Gorbachov__ | this should start the script at 17 every day? |
| 12:43.18 | Gorbachov__ | am I right |
| 12:43.19 | Bushmills | yes |
| 12:43.44 | Gorbachov__ | the scripts |
| 12:43.44 | Gorbachov__ | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2008-06-06 17:34 cron_backup |
| 12:43.57 | Gorbachov__ | but nothing happend |
| 12:44.05 | Gorbachov__ | If I run the script from the console |
| 12:44.08 | Gorbachov__ | i works |
| 12:44.11 | Gorbachov__ | and do the job |
| 12:44.15 | Diaper_Rash | different ivs = different hp |
| 12:44.22 | cahoot | putting the srcipt in .cron.daily isn't easier/an option? |
| 12:44.23 | Gorbachov__ | all other cron jobs are executed |
| 12:44.37 | Gorbachov__ | without this one |
| 12:44.52 | Bushmills | Gorbachov__: script calls commands which are not in PATH when executed by cron |
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| 12:45.15 | slxix | Gorbachov__: does that system have any users besides you? |
| 12:45.18 | cusco | hello dudes... I have this friend complaining that the bell char and other beeps are all routed to the pc speaker... is it possible to make them sound on the soundcard instead?! |
| 12:45.27 | Bushmills | and take the world writable away |
| 12:45.29 | Gorbachov__ | other than root? |
| 12:45.53 | Gorbachov__ | no I am the only one |
| 12:46.04 | Gorbachov__ | and the server is not connected to internet |
| 12:46.09 | debianforlife | anyone know what the best webGUI iptables client is for debian? |
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| 12:47.55 | asg | !best |
| 12:47.55 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 12:47.57 | Bushmills | debianforlife: iptables is not server/client |
| 12:48.18 | Bushmills | it is a mechanism to evaluate a list of filter rules |
| 12:48.28 | Agiofws | can someone tell me what to do |
| 12:48.30 | Agiofws | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 12:48.30 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.30 | Agiofws | E: Broken packages |
| 12:48.30 | *** kick/#debian [Agiofws!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 12:48.54 | debianforlife | but is there a webGUI so I can edit the rules from a browser? |
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| 12:49.28 | Agiofws | anyone ? |
| 12:49.33 | Agiofws | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:49.34 | Agiofws | is only available from another source |
| 12:49.34 | Agiofws | E: Package libglade-cil has no installation candidate |
| 12:49.39 | Diaper_Rash | ps zerowing "flashcart activity" involves .savs |
| 12:49.45 | Bushmills | debianforlife: i'd suggest using ssh instead. and not allow write access to filter rules through web server |
| 12:49.46 | streuner | !+tell Agiofws -about paste |
| 12:49.46 | dpkg | told Agiofws about paste. |
| 12:49.48 | liable | \o/ |
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| 12:50.02 | Agiofws | ok to my problem ? |
| 12:50.03 | streuner | Agiofws: why do you paste here? |
| 12:50.22 | debianforlife | ok, that sounds more secure anyway |
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| 12:50.34 | Bushmills | debianforlife: as those rules are critical to server security .. only complicates things when allowing access through web server |
| 12:50.35 | cahoot | Agiofws: is this on etch or testing? |
| 12:50.42 | Agiofws | lenny |
| 12:50.45 | streuner | agiofw: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:50.46 | Agiofws | testing i think |
| 12:50.58 | streuner | don't think, know. |
| 12:50.59 | wols | Agiofws: it doesn't. answer the question |
| 12:51.01 | Agiofws | ii libc6 2.7-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:51.10 | Agiofws | i am on lenny |
| 12:51.22 | streuner | you are somewhere, but that isnt lenny actually |
| 12:51.32 | wols | old lenny maybe |
| 12:51.35 | wols | Agiofws: upgrade |
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| 12:51.43 | streuner | or old unstable |
| 12:52.21 | Agiofws | wols, i would like to upgrade only to the package not whole system it might break stuff |
| 12:52.25 | wols | !info libglade-cil lenny |
| 12:52.47 | Gorbachov__ | other question, does someone managed to start the health monitoring tool of HP on lenny? |
| 12:52.48 | wols | Agiofws: you have a broken system already with $deity knows how many security holes |
| 12:52.59 | wols | if you fear upgrading, run stable |
| 12:53.07 | Agiofws | wols, how do you know its brocken ? |
| 12:53.28 | wols | it's old. and there are tons of DSAs since then |
| 12:53.39 | wols | hence: you have exploitable software. QED |
| 12:53.47 | azeem | that's unsecure, not broken |
| 12:53.51 | wols | e.g. libssl to name a biggie |
| 12:53.58 | Agiofws | wols, ok one thing ... will it replace my vanila kernel ? |
| 12:54.03 | wols | no |
| 12:54.04 | Diaper_Rash | do fighting moves afect dark pokemon? |
| 12:54.21 | Agiofws | azeem, if its unsecure hack me ? |
| 12:54.29 | wols | whohoo about time |
| 12:54.40 | wols | azeem: block that bot's IP please |
| 12:54.43 | Agiofws | wols, will upgrading replace my vanila kernel ? |
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| 12:54.51 | wols | I already told you |
| 12:55.02 | Agiofws | oh ok |
| 12:55.07 | Juventino | is there backporting avilable to install xserver-xorg-xgl package?? |
| 12:55.08 | AwesomeGuy_ | any good ip scanners for debian? |
| 12:55.17 | AwesomeGuy_ | like angry ip scanner on windows |
| 12:55.19 | wols | Juventino: no |
| 12:55.25 | wols | AwesomeGuy_: nmap |
| 12:55.25 | Agiofws | wols, you think that if i upgrade i will solve my problem ? |
| 12:55.33 | Agiofws | AwesomeGuy_, nmap |
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| 12:55.43 | Agiofws | nmap -sP f.o.o.o.o |
| 12:55.45 | wols | considering there is no such package: no |
| 12:55.46 | ghosTM55 | AwesomeGuy_: nmap |
| 12:55.48 | ghosTM55 | AwesomeGuy_: i just downloaded it today |
| 12:55.55 | AwesomeGuy_ | ok |
| 12:56.01 | Juventino | wols so i can't get the glx to work properly with intel chipset on etchnhalf?? |
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| 12:56.15 | Agiofws | 809 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 176 not upgraded. |
| 12:56.16 | Agiofws | Need to get 534MB of archives. |
| 12:56.16 | Agiofws | After unpacking 24.5MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 12:56.22 | azeem | Juventino: you need the etchnhalf kernel as well I think |
| 12:56.24 | Agiofws | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:56.26 | wols | stop that pasting Agiofws ! |
| 12:56.33 | Juventino | azeem i have it already |
| 12:56.41 | Agiofws | buts its awful |
| 12:56.51 | wols | you are awful too |
| 12:57.02 | azeem | wols: please stop the ad hominems |
| 12:57.18 | wols | azeem: when you stop bots, like diaper-rash |
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| 12:57.58 | Agiofws | wols, if my system breaks i will accuse you for breaking it :> |
| 12:57.59 | stew | wols: what does diaper-rash have to do with it? |
| 12:58.19 | liable | ohnos |
| 12:58.23 | slxix | depends? |
| 12:58.29 | streuner | Who cares? |
| 12:58.48 | Agiofws | wols, my general philosophy is if it works don't fiddle with it |
| 12:58.54 | Bushmills | Agiofws: why do you ask for support when you threaten to blame those who give you advise with blaming them for the reason that you have to take action? |
| 12:59.07 | azeem | Agiofws: what is your current problem anyway? |
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| 12:59.11 | Agiofws | Bushmills, i am just kidding |
| 12:59.12 | azeem | if you say everything works |
| 12:59.13 | wols | Agiofws: what philosophy doesn't work with software unfortunately. at least not on networked machines |
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| 12:59.23 | liable | Agiofws: our general philosophy is, if you paste in the channel, you should be larted. |
| 12:59.23 | Bushmills | Agiofws: what about .. just don;t listen to anybody trying to help you |
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| 12:59.31 | Agiofws | azeem, i wantted to install autopano |
| 12:59.32 | streuner | azeem: he running a system out-dated (lenny or sid) and have no idea about |
| 12:59.32 | Bushmills | Agiofws: means also, you don't need to ak |
| 12:59.33 | Bushmills | ask |
| 12:59.39 | wols | !info autopaneo lenny |
| 12:59.39 | [Elvis] | guys |
| 12:59.44 | [Elvis] | how can I ese if nfs is working properly |
| 12:59.46 | [Elvis] | and what verison |
| 12:59.55 | Agiofws | grr |
| 12:59.59 | streuner | azeem: not even about basic issues |
| 13:00.09 | AwesomeGuy_ | I'm having problems with nmap, I looked through the man, how do I make it scan an ip range? because if I put in 2 ip's it just only does it for those 2 by themselvs. |
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| 13:00.12 | wols | Agiofws: there is no autopano in lenny. and if some guy packaged it but did it badly, it's not our problem (the package you miss should be probably named libglade-cli or such) |
| 13:00.13 | Agiofws | [Elvis], is it listening for connections ? |
| 13:00.21 | Juventino | guys, can someone answer me? :P lol, is there a way to get glx working properly with an intel chipset on etchnhalf? i already have etchnhalf installed and the intel driver |
| 13:00.45 | [Elvis] | Agiofws Im getting a panic - boot : could not mount filesystem |
| 13:00.48 | [Elvis] | from my other box |
| 13:00.48 | wols | Juventino: is the dri module loaded? |
| 13:00.48 | azeem | Juventino: check your Xorg.0.log for (EE) |
| 13:00.49 | Agiofws | ok guys no more than 3 lines i know |
| 13:01.04 | Agiofws | [Elvis], are you exporting the right dir ? |
| 13:01.04 | wols | Agiofws: ideally, NO lines |
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| 13:01.16 | Agiofws | paste NO lines ? |
| 13:01.18 | Gorbachov__ | someone with health monitoring of HP servers? |
| 13:01.21 | Gorbachov__ | :) |
| 13:01.24 | [Elvis] | and it says rpc.bootparamd: returning server:192.168.1.41 path:rsize=8192,wsize=8192,vers=3 address: 192.168.1.41 |
| 13:01.27 | wols | yes, no paste, pastebin only |
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| 13:01.31 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: try rpcinfo -p | grep nfs |
| 13:01.32 | Juventino | wols no it's not |
| 13:01.51 | Juventino | azeem where did i say i have errors? lol it just uses indirect rendering. |
| 13:01.57 | asg | AwesomeGuy_: 10.0.0.1-254 |
| 13:02.09 | AwesomeGuy_ | ok thanks |
| 13:02.22 | azeem | Juventino: so you think using indirect rendering is not an error? |
| 13:02.33 | asg | AwesomeGuy_: search for TARGET SPECIFICATION in the manpage for other formats |
| 13:02.35 | [Elvis] | nothing |
| 13:02.37 | [Elvis] | Bushmills |
| 13:02.39 | [Elvis] | not return |
| 13:02.52 | Juventino | azeem well it's an error for glx not for xorg, right? |
| 13:02.52 | Agiofws | wols, aren't people over reacting that we should upgrade every day for security reseaons ? |
| 13:03.01 | azeem | Juventino: what is glx? |
| 13:03.03 | Juventino | i mean, xorg can still run smoothly |
| 13:03.10 | Agiofws | i mean security ? like someone rooting your machine ? |
| 13:03.27 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: that's on the nfs server machine? otherwise you need to specify host name |
| 13:03.31 | Agiofws | i don't think this is possible |
| 13:03.33 | wols | Agiofws: not really. maybe not every day but regularly. after all: you run testing to get newer software than stable and then never update. that makes no sense |
| 13:03.38 | [Elvis] | yes on the nfs server mahine |
| 13:03.40 | Juventino | azeem OpenGL for X |
| 13:03.48 | [Elvis] | Bushmills that's on the server |
| 13:03.49 | [Elvis] | no response |
| 13:03.50 | wols | Juventino: mesa is installed? |
| 13:03.58 | liable | wols: channel etiquite says three, i also think three is fine if its explanatory, unfortunately, his was just crap, so deserver to be larted for. |
| 13:04.00 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: ps aux | grep nfsd |
| 13:04.01 | Agiofws | you mean upgrade ? |
| 13:04.09 | Agiofws | i always update |
| 13:04.11 | azeem | Juventino: no, it's an X.org module |
| 13:04.16 | Juventino | wols yes, 1 sec i'll tell u the installed packages |
| 13:04.22 | wols | Agiofws: or upgrade, yes |
| 13:04.37 | streuner | Agiofws: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 13:04.41 | azeem | Juventino: again, is the kernel module loaded? |
| 13:04.44 | Agiofws | wols, if you update and then install isn;t that the same ? |
| 13:04.48 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:04.51 | [Elvis] | nothing Bushmills |
| 13:04.56 | [Elvis] | no process with nfsd |
| 13:04.57 | Juventino | azeem i said no! dri is not loaded :) |
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| 13:05.01 | JyZyXEL | whats that cool samba mounting tool? |
| 13:05.12 | azeem | Juventino: then that's obviously the problem |
| 13:05.13 | JyZyXEL | the one that mounts all the samba shares |
| 13:05.17 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: your nfs server doesn't run |
| 13:05.23 | [Elvis] | ewll |
| 13:05.28 | Agiofws | streuner, agiofws@ixus:~$paste < /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:05.28 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/1GkIEP27.html |
| 13:05.29 | [Elvis] | nfs-kernel-server start |
| 13:05.33 | [Elvis] | doesn't do anything either Bushmills |
| 13:05.45 | JyZyXEL | fusesmb! |
| 13:06.02 | Agiofws | fusion ? sshfs ? |
| 13:06.02 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: check ps again |
| 13:06.09 | liable | Agiofws: see, couldnt you have just showed the url? why show us the command you used???? |
| 13:06.25 | Agiofws | ok ok ok |
| 13:06.46 | [Elvis] | for what Bushmills ? |
| 13:06.54 | streuner | Agiofws: comment line 12, 14 and 16, subsitute mirrors with official mirrors |
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| 13:07.06 | Bushmills | whether nfsd runs now, after you last ... start |
| 13:07.16 | Agiofws | streuner, sto the upgrade ? |
| 13:07.20 | Agiofws | streuner, stop the upgrade ? |
| 13:07.21 | [Elvis] | nothing Bushmills |
| 13:07.23 | [Elvis] | doesn't run |
| 13:07.29 | Juventino | wols the mesa installed packages are: libgl1-mesa-dev , lebgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-dri-glx, libglu1-mesa, libglu1-mesa-dev, mesa-common-dev,and mesa-utils |
| 13:07.33 | streuner | Agiofws: yes |
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| 13:08.07 | streuner | use ftp.gr.debian.org instead the other ones |
| 13:08.39 | [Elvis] | Bushmills could it be that I messed stuff up by apt-getting unfs3 |
| 13:08.46 | [Elvis] | whil the nfs server was allready in kernel? |
| 13:09.11 | wols | Juventino: you will need a DRI kernel module |
| 13:09.31 | [Elvis] | I reinstalled unfs3 Bushmills |
| 13:09.49 | [Elvis] | now I get : |
| 13:09.49 | Juventino | wols ok 1 sec |
| 13:09.49 | [Elvis] | unfsd attempted mount with unsupported protocol version |
| 13:09.51 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: no impossible., i am assuming that you were using kernel server, not userspace server |
| 13:10.02 | Juventino | wols should i get it from backporting? or normal mirrors? |
| 13:10.03 | Bushmills | not impossible, i mean |
| 13:10.22 | Ward1983_ | i currently have ubuntu hardy 64bit, but i want to change to debian, is there any way to switch in a way that all my settings and installed stuff remains? |
| 13:10.29 | [Elvis] | I was using kernel server Bushmills |
| 13:10.30 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: get you sys in a defined state first. remove user space server, install kernel space server |
| 13:10.36 | [Elvis] | but then I tried apt-getting unfs3 |
| 13:10.38 | Ward1983_ | probably not but i thought it was worth asking for |
| 13:10.40 | [Elvis] | and removeed it again |
| 13:10.45 | [Elvis] | and now everything stopped working |
| 13:10.54 | [Elvis] | how do I install the kernel space server again? |
| 13:10.57 | Agiofws | streuner, subsitute mirrors with official mirrors ? |
| 13:10.59 | wols | Juventino: no clue, for some reason I can't find it even on sid here. google suggests dri.freedesktop.org even... |
| 13:11.15 | wols | Juventino: ask abrotman, he uses intel hardware IIRC |
| 13:11.15 | Bushmills | nfs-kernel-server is its name |
| 13:11.29 | Juventino | wols will m-a a-i DRI work? |
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| 13:11.40 | streuner | Agiofws: use ftp.gr.debian.org for line 6 and 7 |
| 13:11.44 | eject_ck | Sorry for stupid question ... I'm using Etch and want use latest version of package. How can I do it ? |
| 13:11.52 | Agiofws | deb http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/ lenny main i sthat not an official mirror ? |
| 13:11.59 | Mundus | Ward1983_: If you're switching to debian 64bit then about every setting you have can be saved |
| 13:12.13 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: i'd purge both first., to be sure the config is removed, in case it is messed up now. |
| 13:12.16 | Mundus | Installed stuff (assuming you mean applications), no |
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| 13:12.51 | streuner | Agiofws: prolly an secondary mirror, but official are only the URL's which mention debian.org |
| 13:12.59 | liable | Agiofws: /msg dpkg mirrors, and you can see for yourself if its official. |
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| 13:13.38 | Ward1983_ | Mundus, well that was the plan yes |
| 13:13.39 | liable | Agiofws: and as a point of interest, i have seen quite a few people with problems from isp mirrors that have been poorley maintained. |
| 13:14.01 | Mundus | Ward1983_: Have you got /home/ on an own partition? |
| 13:14.01 | Ward1983_ | Mundus, i especially would like my bridged interfqces to remqin, etc |
| 13:14.10 | JyZyXEL | sudo fusesmb /media/samba |
| 13:14.10 | JyZyXEL | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 13:14.10 | Ward1983_ | had some trouble setting them up |
| 13:14.12 | streuner | could be, but i see other (rarely) some examples as well |
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| 13:14.16 | JyZyXEL | ?? |
| 13:14.16 | Mundus | Ahh... like network settings |
| 13:14.31 | Ward1983_ | Mundus, nope its jsut q folder, qllthough i'm fqmiliqr with whqt you mean |
| 13:14.32 | JyZyXEL | broken package? |
| 13:14.42 | Ward1983_ | Mundus, sorry for my retarded typos |
| 13:14.52 | Mundus | Ward1983_: Never used ubuntu so I don't know if they do it any other way than debian, so I can't answer |
| 13:15.06 | liable | Ward1983_: you'd be hard [ressed to beat wols for those. dont worry :) |
| 13:15.10 | liable | runs |
| 13:15.20 | Ward1983_ | Mundus, thats ok, if you can tell me how you would do it in debian i can allways try to find out if that should work |
| 13:15.21 | wols | Juventino: xlibmesa-dri _might_ was the only dri stuff I could find in m-a |
| 13:15.26 | Agiofws | liable, streuner like that Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/AIXo1y10.html ? |
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| 13:15.38 | liable | hah, i would *have* to make a typo in an inflammatory comment like that.. |
| 13:15.52 | asg | JyZyXEL: /sbin/modprobe fuse |
| 13:16.17 | Ward1983_ | liable, im not sure what you're talking about :s lol |
| 13:16.18 | Ward1983_ | weirde |
| 13:16.20 | Ward1983_ | weirdo |
| 13:16.25 | streuner | Agiofws: comment line 22 too ; and use http instead of ftp |
| 13:16.31 | [Elvis] | ok |
| 13:16.34 | Juventino | wols i installed it now, still when i do modprobe dri, it says FATAL: Module dri not found |
| 13:16.37 | JyZyXEL | asg i also did mknod -m 666 /dev/fuse c 10 229 |
| 13:16.37 | [Elvis] | back in business Bushmills |
| 13:16.38 | slxix | you did pretty good for typing while running. |
| 13:16.38 | [Elvis] | thanks mate |
| 13:16.42 | liable | Ward1983_: your typo comment. have you got the attention span of a goldfish? |
| 13:16.50 | JyZyXEL | seems to work |
| 13:16.55 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: np |
| 13:17.02 | asg | JyZyXEL: why? Install the module, udev will take care of the rest |
| 13:17.06 | Ward1983_ | liable, no im not a native english speaker so some sentences are not clear to me :) |
| 13:17.12 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 13:17.12 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: dwz, geen dank |
| 13:17.14 | JyZyXEL | well |
| 13:17.18 | JyZyXEL | damage is already done |
| 13:17.26 | asg | then undo it |
| 13:17.32 | Ward1983_ | liable, but i recently changed keyboard layouts, so i still make mistakes sometimes |
| 13:17.36 | JyZyXEL | i don't even know if i have to |
| 13:17.41 | wols | Juventino: check dri.freedesktop.org |
| 13:17.46 | Agiofws | streuner, like that ? deb ftp://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/pptpconfig ./ ? |
| 13:17.46 | Ward1983_ | (qwerty <-> azerty) |
| 13:17.46 | [Elvis] | Bushmills I have just 1 more question if you have time: I'm gettting the following error on my server syslog: |
| 13:17.50 | liable | Ward1983_: we all do. |
| 13:17.54 | wols | Juventino: and, what intel chip is it? |
| 13:17.56 | [Elvis] | erm I mean in the client |
| 13:18.00 | Bushmills | Ward1983_: a-<->q ... hmm.. french layout :) |
| 13:18.08 | [Elvis] | unable to nfs mount 192.168.1.41:/var/jumpstart exiting to shell |
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| 13:18.16 | Ward1983_ | Bushmills, yep, we qlso use the french layout in belgium :) |
| 13:18.22 | [Elvis] | WARNING: NFS server initial call to 192.168.1.41: failed: Not owner |
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| 13:18.27 | Agiofws | Err ftp://ftp.gr.debian.org lenny/main Packages |
| 13:18.27 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.28 | [Elvis] | you know what tha tmeans Bushmills ? |
| 13:18.34 | Juventino | wols Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME |
| 13:18.35 | Bushmills | suffered form the same, in french cyber cafes |
| 13:18.51 | streuner | streuner> Agiofws: comment line 22 too ; and use http instead of ftp |
| 13:18.51 | Ward1983_ | Bushmills, i used to be qble to type on both layouts and i want that again (because i got a g15 keyboard with qwerty layout with my new second hand PC :p) |
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| 13:19.16 | JyZyXEL | looks like it doesn't work correctly |
| 13:19.17 | liable | Agiofws: you have a missing /debian |
| 13:20.16 | JyZyXEL | k now it works |
| 13:20.20 | streuner | deb http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 13:20.24 | Bushmills | Ward1983_: keep the contents of your /etc. after installation, use them as reference for rebuilding your former config |
| 13:20.48 | [Elvis] | Bushmills you know what WARNING: NFS server initial call to 192.168.1.41 failed: Not owner means? |
| 13:20.53 | [Elvis] | what I can do about it |
| 13:20.55 | Juventino | wols http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Download , but it says about unstable |
| 13:21.30 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: no idea. check you /etc/exports, and the ownership for exported dirs |
| 13:21.38 | Agiofws | streuner, deb http//:ftp.gr.debian.org lenny main /debian |
| 13:21.38 | Agiofws | deb-src http://ftp.gr.debian.org lenny main |
| 13:21.40 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:21.41 | Bushmills | of exported dirs ... |
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| 13:21.58 | Agiofws | streuner, Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/p1w6Us79.html ? |
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| 13:22.10 | [Elvis] | *(ro, no_root_squash) Bushmills |
| 13:22.14 | streuner | Agiofws: deb http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 13:22.26 | Ward1983_ | Bushmills, will keep that in mind thanx :) |
| 13:22.28 | streuner | is going to look Frankenstein now |
| 13:22.32 | epsilon_ | and non-free? |
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| 13:22.40 | Ward1983_ | its weird to actually get suport on IRC lol |
| 13:22.43 | Ward1983_ | not used to that with ubuntu |
| 13:23.03 | epsilon_ | irc=instant resource center |
| 13:23.08 | cusco | hello dudes... I have this friend complaining that the bell char and other beeps are all routed to the pc speaker... is it possible to make them sound on the soundcard instead?! |
| 13:23.27 | wedge | Ward1983_: ubuntu channel is very.. I dont know... non helpful |
| 13:23.30 | Agiofws | deb http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 13:23.30 | Agiofws | deb-src http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 13:23.30 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.39 | wedge | ask anything that isn't desktop related and you're basicly told to fck off |
| 13:23.52 | epsilon_ | src is optional |
| 13:24.05 | Ward1983_ | wedge, i allways helped people in my locan ubuntu channel, but if i neede help they allways made me beg for it so... i dont come there anymore |
| 13:24.11 | opti | i'm running sid and use the dhis-client package, its mysteriously stopped working, the syslog shows 'client starting' but no process exists after that point. |
| 13:24.20 | JyZyXEL | WTF ~/.smb/fusesmb.conf |
| 13:24.20 | [Elvis] | Bushmills you know where I can put the option |
| 13:24.20 | [Elvis] | 1.The diskless howto doesn't mention that rpc.bootparamd requires |
| 13:24.20 | [Elvis] | rpcbind. |
| 13:24.22 | Ward1983_ | it crashes once or twice a day |
| 13:24.23 | [Elvis] | woops |
| 13:24.24 | opti | anyone else had/have a problem like that? |
| 13:24.27 | asg | opti: start by checking the bts |
| 13:24.29 | Ward1983_ | which is even worse then windows :s |
| 13:24.30 | JyZyXEL | who the heck gives config path like that |
| 13:24.31 | Bushmills | Ward1983_: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu |
| 13:24.34 | wedge | Ward1983_: I think it's due to the different userbase of debian.. |
| 13:24.50 | Agiofws | ubunti chan . sux ? |
| 13:24.53 | shadfc | anyone happen to know what an error (ERR in munin) interrupt would indicate? I have a box thats been logging some of them and locking up periodically. hardware failure? |
| 13:24.57 | cahoot | and off topic too |
| 13:25.01 | [Elvis] | bushmill you know where I can put the option NFS_CLIENT_VERSMAX ? |
| 13:25.05 | opti | whats a bts? :P |
| 13:25.16 | asg | opti: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:25.28 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: i'd have to guess ... /etc/defaults/nfs-kernel-server |
| 13:25.42 | Ward1983_ | Bushmills, lol nice article haha |
| 13:25.48 | Bushmills | s/defaults/default/ |
| 13:26.03 | Bushmills | [Elvis]: RPCMOUNTDOPTS, probably |
| 13:26.12 | charzero | Is there a package for a ui to manage LVM volumes like the one in the installer? |
| 13:26.24 | Ward1983_ | wedge, well it used to work really nice but nowadays i was feeling like it was windows i was working on |
| 13:26.31 | Ward1983_ | problems daily |
| 13:26.37 | Ward1983_ | too bad i dont have time yet to convert my system |
| 13:27.15 | Agiofws | Grrr |
| 13:27.16 | Agiofws | Need to get 445MB/483MB of archives. |
| 13:27.17 | asg | charzero: there doesn't appear to be one |
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| 13:28.02 | charzero | asg: Is it save to use lvm to add a volume to a group that has other volumes that are currently mounted? |
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| 13:28.13 | wedge | Ward1983_: I like my eee with xandros (based on debian), it's not bloated . |
| 13:28.37 | cahoot | wedge: nice but off topic |
| 13:28.41 | Ward1983_ | wedge, the irony, i worked on a eee on a ubuntu release party a while back |
| 13:28.41 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/19621 |
| 13:28.57 | Ward1983_ | wedge, my next laptop is gonna be a eee, cheap and more conveniant :) |
| 13:29.00 | wedge | cahoot: sowwy. I thought this was #flood or #offtopic :P |
| 13:29.07 | asg | charzero: should be. I'd check with the LVM-HOWTO first though just to be sure. |
| 13:29.07 | cahoot | figures |
| 13:30.01 | wedge | Ward1983_: trying to get hold of a 8.9" EEE and then install debian and tweak the hell out of it. will be fun times in #debian , weeks of me asking stupid questions. |
| 13:30.30 | Ward1983_ | wedge, weeks of learning you mean, and stupid questions do not exist, only stupid answers do |
| 13:31.11 | liable | wedge: we have #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 13:31.11 | wedge | Well. Im running debian on all my production systems (around 45 or so), was fun with the openSSL vulnerability. |
| 13:31.22 | wedge | liable: sweet, *joins* |
| 13:31.25 | Ward1983_ | lol i remember that |
| 13:31.56 | wedge | liable: no people in it on freenode :( |
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| 13:32.05 | liable | wedge: i said oftc |
| 13:32.16 | liable | wedge: irc.debian.org |
| 13:32.19 | wedge | ah cool |
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| 13:32.38 | opti | asg: the bts has one bug (actually a request) thats 5 years old |
| 13:32.50 | Ward1983_ | wedge, by the way, to keep it to small systems, my PDA runs debian :) |
| 13:32.54 | opti | how do i figure out the bug? i'm probably in way over my head ;) |
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| 13:33.45 | wedge | Ward1983_: I was removing stuff from my eeepc, stupid kdegames and such. and my system just kept growing when I applied upgrades although diff said small sizes like 10kb... that's when I learned the joys of unionfs ;D |
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| 13:34.15 | Ward1983_ | wedge, something i didnt learn yet, might be usefull for my PDA too |
| 13:34.39 | Ward1983_ | wedge, ;y PDA uses reiserFS, its better for cardwear they say |
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| 13:35.09 | Ward1983_ | anyway going for a smoke, good talking to you people :) |
| 13:35.15 | wedge | yah, =P |
| 13:36.23 | unixSnob | Ward1983_: do you know why reiserFS would be better for ssd wear? |
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| 13:36.44 | unixSnob | AFAIK, reiserfs doesn't have wear leveling |
| 13:37.03 | stoned | hey what happened? |
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| 13:37.14 | asg | opti: well, first of all, is the bug related to the problem you are experiencing? If not and, as you said, it was working and then suddenly didn't work anymore, find out a) what has changed recently, b) what you installed recently. |
| 13:38.05 | stoned | Just curious as to why the installer is broken *daily* |
| 13:38.17 | stoned | its been this way for months now that I recall |
| 13:38.22 | Bushmills | there are not a lot of journalling, wear balancing fs. jffs/jffs2 is one of them |
| 13:38.41 | stoned | the daily installer won't let one install sid because it can't find a suitable kernel package, its also listed in known issues |
| 13:38.48 | stoned | but why? is there no easy fix? |
| 13:38.59 | Bushmills | but modern flash cards, SD cards, usually have built-in. |
| 13:39.09 | Bushmills | some older cards, CF cards especially, don't have |
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| 13:39.50 | shadfc | if im going to be building a custom kernel package, is there any reason not to use the newest from kernel.org ? |
| 13:40.00 | stoned | shadfc: no |
| 13:40.05 | unixSnob | Bushmills: right.. And that's why I would be suspicious that reiserfs was good for wear protection.. because even if it has wear leveling, it could only reduce the effectiveness of built in wear leveling |
| 13:40.07 | stoned | you can use the latest source if you please |
| 13:40.10 | Bushmills | stoned: of something is broken and has been for a while, the answer to your "why" is probably "because nobody has fixed it" |
| 13:40.30 | stoned | Bushmills: which is why i was thinking about trying to do something about it |
| 13:40.35 | shadfc | stoned: i figured as much. just checking to see if i *should* use one of the packaged kernel sources |
| 13:40.35 | unixSnob | Bushmills: I do know that CF cards have wear leveling, at least recent ones anyway |
| 13:40.37 | stoned | Bushmills: not exactly sure where to begin eh |
| 13:41.00 | stoned | shadfc: well, if you care about debian patches |
| 13:41.13 | stoned | shadfc: if you know how to and can patch the kernel yourself if you need to for all sorts of things you may or maynot need, than go ahead |
| 13:41.18 | Bushmills | unixSnob: yeah. i'd be careful with those up to, say, 128 mbyte |
| 13:41.19 | stoned | otherwise stick to a debian package |
| 13:41.39 | stoned | shadfc: if you don't need to use a latest source for a certain need, then stick with deb pacakge |
| 13:42.04 | stoned | shadfc: and afaik, sid isn't too far off from upstream in many regards, we package stuff fast enough |
| 13:42.20 | shadfc | true |
| 13:42.25 | stoned | eh sort of |
| 13:42.45 | Bushmills | stoned: i'd guess that sid installer is not frequently used. most sid installation probably started as testing, but that's a guess. |
| 13:42.55 | Bushmills | so it may not have high priority |
| 13:42.56 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 13:42.59 | WormFood | how in the fuck do I get sed to delete part of a line to the end? for example, the extension of a file name. I have gone through the fuckin' info and man page, and I can not figure out this shit! I use sed all the time to replace/delete text, but just can't figure out this one simple thing. |
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| 13:43.40 | stoned | Bushmills: well, to install sid one must use the weekly image with priority param, or the lenny installer, but not daily |
| 13:43.44 | Bushmills | WormFood: sed 's/foo$//' |
| 13:43.57 | stew | WormFood: sed 's/\.[^.]*$//' |
| 13:43.58 | stoned | stoned: I'm just trying to get this new box a new os |
| 13:44.01 | WormFood | Bushmills, does not work |
| 13:44.13 | WormFood | I have to use []? that is crazy! |
| 13:44.14 | stoned | brand spankin, but I had to do the other way last night, install testing and then upgrade |
| 13:44.42 | stoned | WormFood: regex is a pain to understand (was for me) but then its really good |
| 13:44.46 | Mazingaro | please I could not send my mail to debian-sparc@lists.debian.org could anyone help me please??? I did registration confirmation, but my mail won't be published |
| 13:44.48 | Mazingaro | thanks |
| 13:44.50 | WormFood | that did it stew, thanks a lot |
| 13:44.55 | Bushmills | WormFood: echo "bar foo" | sed 's/foo$//' ... what you mean "doesn't work" |
| 13:45.13 | stew | WormFood: that basically says "everything from the last ." since \. is a . and [^.]* means 'a bunch of non .'s to follow' |
| 13:45.14 | stoned | Bushmills: I think it sits on the couch all day |
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| 13:45.29 | unixSnob | The zd1211 nic driver did not come with the firmware files it needs. I discovered the firmware is in a separate non-free distro (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/zd1211-firmware).. so I thought I could simply add "non-free" to the sources.list file, and run "aptitude update && aptitude install zd1211-firmware", but i get a crapload of "cannot stat package source.." |
| 13:45.29 | WormFood | well, it is not clear from the man/info page |
| 13:45.30 | Bushmills | whip it. bribe it. threaten it. |
| 13:45.40 | WormFood | I tried everything I could logically think of |
| 13:45.42 | stew | WormFood: s/\..*// would be "everything after the first . |
| 13:45.51 | stew | (and including the .) |
| 13:45.52 | WormFood | I would have never guessed I needed [] |
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| 13:46.14 | Bushmills | WormFood: no need for sed for that btw. bash can do that too |
| 13:46.18 | WormFood | Bushmills, the line stew gave me is what I needed |
| 13:46.40 | WormFood | I'm at a loss, I know bash pretty well, but how can bash do this task? |
| 13:46.41 | stoned | hm |
| 13:46.57 | stoned | now to get this lcd to work with the radeon driver |
| 13:47.15 | stew | but yeah, there are simpler ways, like a=asdf.qwer.zcxv ; echo ${a%.*} |
| 13:47.17 | stoned | cries I don't wanna build from git goddamit |
| 13:47.18 | WormFood | I'm not stripping the extension off a file name, I'm converting a decimal to a whole number |
| 13:47.25 | Bushmills | WormFood: FILE="bar.foo" ; echo ${FILE/.*/} |
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| 13:48.01 | cahoot | unixSnob: http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw#Firmware |
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| 13:48.22 | WormFood | I'm not familiar with that syntax Bushmills, thanks a lot, I'll look that up in the bash manpage and learn more about it |
| 13:48.28 | stew | WormFood: then you want everything after the first ., so "sed s/\..*//" or echo ${variable%%.*} |
| 13:48.40 | unixSnob | cahoot: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 13:48.47 | WormFood | actually, there should only be 1 period in the line |
| 13:49.19 | Tapout | using IPMI View .. connected to the machine, I can hit console, see the text but it doesn't allow inputting text.. anyone know why? |
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| 13:50.34 | Bushmills | WormFood: FILE="bar.foo.ext" ; echo ${FILE%.*} probably better for dropping extension |
| 13:50.44 | stoned | btw, vostro don't play nice with etch... |
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| 13:50.52 | Bushmills | (drops only last dot + remainder) |
| 13:50.53 | stoned | crappy pc |
| 13:51.09 | stoned | damn dell |
| 13:51.16 | WormFood | well, I need to do other conversions to the string as well |
| 13:51.26 | Bushmills | bash can do more than these |
| 13:51.38 | ulim | I wanna make a debian package for a single .so, can someone help me? I dont run debian myself |
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| 13:51.44 | WormFood | it looks something like some_name=12345.678, I just want the whole number |
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| 13:52.05 | stoned | ulim: i think you need to be in debian to build debian packages |
| 13:52.06 | WormFood | ulim, just use 'cp' ;) |
| 13:52.24 | Bushmills | same as removing extension |
| 13:52.36 | WormFood | right |
| 13:52.39 | liable | ulim: if you dont use debian, i dunno how to build a debian package, as building it uses debian tools |
| 13:52.40 | ulim | stoned: why is that? What do I need? I can install "debhelper" if that's what I need |
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| 13:52.51 | ulim | liable: what tools do I need? |
| 13:52.52 | stoned | ulim: here is a list of all you need |
| 13:52.55 | stoned | right here |
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| 13:52.58 | WormFood | thanks a lot for your help guys....I would have never guessed I needed [] to do that task with sed |
| 13:53.00 | stoned | !maint-guide |
| 13:53.00 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 13:53.07 | stoned | !package basics |
| 13:53.07 | dpkg | i guess package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 13:53.12 | stoned | have fun |
| 13:53.16 | liable | ulim: devscipts is the main one, plus possibly others |
| 13:53.30 | stoned | list of all the tools are listed in the maint-giude |
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| 13:53.46 | stoned | skim through it to have a better idea of things first |
| 13:53.49 | liable | hmm, who hit that factoid? |
| 13:53.54 | stoned | raises a foot |
| 13:53.56 | stoned | er.. hand |
| 13:54.11 | unixSnob | cahoot: I'm still curious why adding "etch contrib non-free" to the lines in source.list screws everything up when I do an aptitude update. "W: cannot stat source" floods the screen. I was hoping to learn how to install the (non-free) firmware using aptitude |
| 13:54.15 | stoned | liable: why whats up |
| 13:54.36 | cahoot | unixSnob: non-free being obsolete? |
| 13:54.36 | stoned | unixSnob: paste your entire line here |
| 13:54.46 | stoned | cahoot: nah |
| 13:55.00 | stoned | is it really? |
| 13:55.07 | ulim | there's so much stuff I dont need. I dont wanna build anything, I just want to make my .so into a .deb |
| 13:55.17 | stoned | nah |
| 13:55.20 | unixSnob | the issue is on another barely working machine.. I can't paste easily |
| 13:55.21 | liable | ulim: paste your sources list when its broken |
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| 13:55.29 | liable | unixSnob: ^^ |
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| 13:55.50 | stoned | ok, so go there, write it down,, and then type that line in here |
| 13:55.54 | ulim | liable: sources list? broken? What do you mean |
| 13:55.55 | cahoot | stoned: sorry mixed up with the non-US (IIRC) |
| 13:56.04 | stoned | cahoot: thats what I thought you were thinking ;) |
| 13:56.05 | liable | ulim: wrong nick |
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| 13:56.09 | unixSnob | So if non-free is obsolete, should it be omitted from sources.list? Am I stuck w/ manual downloads |
| 13:56.09 | ulim | liable: k |
| 13:56.27 | cahoot | unixSnob: disregard my input |
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| 13:56.43 | Bushmills | congrats stew |
| 13:56.46 | stoned | unixSnob: nonfree is not obsolete i think cahoot recently started smoking crack ;) |
| 13:56.49 | stoned | hides |
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| 13:56.59 | liable | on? |
| 13:57.20 | stoned | on? |
| 13:57.45 | aleksanteri | says mr. stoned :P |
| 13:57.50 | aleksanteri | hides |
| 13:57.54 | stoned | yes |
| 13:58.00 | stoned | he does. |
| 13:58.02 | unixSnob | deb http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian stable etch main contrib non-free <= that's the first line |
| 13:58.06 | Nyle | uff. |
| 13:58.44 | liable | thought so. dont have Nyle ignored, but that stoned bloke certainly shitted me |
| 13:58.58 | Nyle | liable: ? |
| 13:59.15 | liable | Nyle: your alternate nick i have ignored. |
| 13:59.19 | Nyle | oh |
| 13:59.24 | Nyle | :( that makes me sad |
| 13:59.26 | Nyle | liable: how come? |
| 13:59.31 | ulim | can I make a debian package independent of the sources? Without diff.gz, orig.tar.gz , .dsc? |
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| 14:00.12 | liable | Nyle: when you were using that nick, the offtopic dribble shitted me, so i ignored you. since, i havent found reason to. |
| 14:00.14 | Nyle | ulim: why? if its just one file, copy it over |
| 14:00.27 | unixSnob | so anyone know why I would always be getting "cannot stat source package...no such file or directory"? |
| 14:00.47 | Nyle | liable: oh yes, that was years ago, I just got on this pc and my irssi config file is setup from years ago to use that nickname |
| 14:00.57 | Nyle | liable: in fact, I haven't been high in months |
| 14:01.06 | Nyle | liable: for the first time in my life. but anyway |
| 14:01.12 | ulim | Nyle: are you seriously asking me why it makes sense to have a debian package of an application? |
| 14:01.21 | Nyle | ulim: its not an application |
| 14:01.27 | unixSnob | the second line of sources.list is => "deb-src http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian stable etch main contrib non-free" |
| 14:01.28 | Nyle | ulim: you specifically said "one .so" file |
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| 14:01.37 | ulim | Nyle: yeah ok, it's a plugin ;) |
| 14:01.42 | valdyn | ulim: why would you try to create a debian package out of nothing? |
| 14:02.05 | cahoot | unixSnob: why do you have both etch and stable spelled out? |
| 14:02.23 | ulim | valdyn, Nyle: All I want is to be able to tell people running debian "Download the package at http://..." and install it with dpkg |
| 14:02.30 | Nyle | cahoot: it should have been obvious, he had a working line, on which he appended "etch contrib non-free" |
| 14:02.33 | valdyn | ulim: so make a package |
| 14:02.38 | Nyle | you coulda just told him to take etch out ;) |
| 14:02.44 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 14:02.44 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 14:03.11 | Nyle | hey its the dude with the domain of nickname |
| 14:03.16 | Nyle | cool |
| 14:03.28 | ulim | valdyn: that's why I'm here :) It's just I don't want to make a debian source package, I don't want to write a script for building my package, since the package will only contain the binary .so anyway |
| 14:03.59 | unixSnob | removes "etch" from sources.list |
| 14:04.10 | Nyle | unixSnob: infact, remove stable, leave etch |
| 14:04.13 | valdyn | ulim: so you can skip most of the debian maintainers' guide |
| 14:04.19 | Nyle | it is better to refer to distros by thier proper name |
| 14:04.20 | unixSnob | Nyle: k |
| 14:04.21 | valdyn | ulim: but im not going to read it for you |
| 14:04.54 | valdyn | ulim: just that much "Source" for a debian package usually contains source code, but it does not have to |
| 14:05.03 | ulim | valdyn: thanks, it's a relieve to hear I can skip some stuff, that's what i wanted to know |
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| 14:05.08 | valdyn | ulim: as you can see at packaged scripts and flashplugin-nonfree etc |
| 14:05.15 | Nyle | unixSnob: reason being, that if you have 'stable' or 'testing', and lenny becomes stable, well guess what, if you have specified testing, you will get the new testing, if you have specified stable, you will have lenny instead of etch (when it comes out) |
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| 14:05.34 | Nyle | so its better to refer to them by names, so that regardless of the status change, you will still have the same debian distro |
| 14:05.54 | Nyle | though you can use the otehr approach if you want to stick with stable regardless of which ones becoems stable |
| 14:06.02 | Nyle | w/e you want, though former is better imo |
| 14:06.20 | StyXman | hi all. does it make sense to build into the kernel a module that needs firmware? e.g., my intel iwl3945 |
| 14:06.26 | Nyle | and I'm not too sure why the debian insaller/apt sets up soruces.list to use stable instead of etch |
| 14:06.29 | unixSnob | thanks Nyle.. i wasn't even sure what "etch" was. |
| 14:06.32 | Nyle | should really use names |
| 14:06.37 | liable | StyXman: its already in the kernel. |
| 14:06.41 | valdyn | StyXman: no it doesnt |
| 14:06.54 | liable | StyXman: you mean inbuilt rather than module? |
| 14:06.56 | StyXman | liable: I mean, not as a module but in kernel |
| 14:07.15 | valdyn | StyXman: you would need the firmware in the initrd, and in that case you might just aswell have the module in the initrd too, or both not |
| 14:07.38 | liable | thats actually an interesting point. if you dont have an initrd, will it still work? |
| 14:08.00 | enouf | listens |
| 14:08.11 | Nyle | enouf: ! |
| 14:08.12 | valdyn | liable: youd have to emulate a hotplug event |
| 14:08.16 | StyXman | valdyn: heeh, I'm trying to get rid of initrd, so module will be. |
| 14:08.19 | valdyn | liable: after the firmware is available |
| 14:08.30 | Nyle | \o/ lol \o/ |
| 14:08.35 | enouf | Nyle: @_@ |
| 14:08.38 | liable | valdyn: how would you do this? |
| 14:08.42 | StyXman | another question: do I need an initrd for hibernation resume? |
| 14:08.52 | liable | StyXman: no |
| 14:08.55 | maligor | so sid is preferred reference over unstable! |
| 14:09.01 | valdyn | liable: no idea, i can hotplug usb devices manually, i dont know how to fake a hotplug |
| 14:09.05 | liable | you never *need* an initrd |
| 14:09.07 | Nyle | maligor: for that it doesn't matter |
| 14:09.13 | maligor | heh, don't say |
| 14:09.13 | StyXman | liable: so the kernel takes care of it itself... |
| 14:09.13 | Nyle | maligor: it never changes |
| 14:09.31 | Nyle | maligor: for stable and/or testing yes it has known to cuase probmlems |
| 14:09.33 | maligor | Nyle, yes, that says it all about unstable, never changes |
| 14:09.35 | Nyle | that I've seen in here |
| 14:09.45 | Nyle | maligor: well it constantly chagnes |
| 14:09.52 | Nyle | maligor: but its never released is what I meant |
| 14:10.03 | Nyle | the name never changes with the status, sid alwyas== unstable |
| 14:10.06 | ulim | valdyn: dpkg-buildpackage is the tool that generates the .deb file, right? |
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| 14:10.18 | StyXman | valdyn: udev does that, synthetize hotplugs, at boot time |
| 14:10.19 | liable | valdyn: its an interesting question i have never considered. deserves some looking into. |
| 14:10.28 | Nyle | but testing doesn't have to lenny, it could be something else in a few months |
| 14:10.34 | valdyn | ulim: dpkg-buildpackage just runs certain scripts in the "source" tree |
| 14:10.34 | Nyle | thats the point I was trying to make |
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| 14:11.16 | bjwebb | hi |
| 14:11.18 | valdyn | StyXman: so you could probably use udev for that later too, but its totally backwards |
| 14:11.25 | valdyn | StyXman: just compile that driver as a module |
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| 14:11.45 | bjwebb | im on sid, just dist-upgraded, restarted and now my mouse is acting weird |
| 14:11.49 | ulim | valdyn: sry maybe I'm stupid but I can't find the command that actually generates the .deb file |
| 14:12.03 | StyXman | hmm, I seem to recall something about synth events echo'ing values in /proc/.../event or something like that |
| 14:12.03 | liable | when i feel not lazy, i'm gonna compile it in and see what gives |
| 14:12.04 | valdyn | ulim: because you arent reading teh docs |
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| 14:12.28 | liable | valdyn: he doesnt run debian btw |
| 14:12.36 | streuner | hehe |
| 14:12.42 | liable | not sure if that was noted |
| 14:12.49 | Nyle | it was i saw it |
| 14:12.51 | ulim | valdyn: i'm reading this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide |
| 14:12.55 | liable | just wants to build a deb |
| 14:13.06 | mwnn | does imagemagick package depend on qt4 library. apt-get seems to install libqt4 when installing imagemagick |
| 14:13.28 | Nyle | mwnn: it shouldn't |
| 14:13.33 | Nyle | probably a rec. |
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| 14:13.35 | StyXman | mwnn: use apt-cache show imagemagick to figure out |
| 14:13.35 | streuner | !depends imagemagick |
| 14:13.38 | dpkg | imagemagick: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.15-1), libmagick10, libsm6, libtiff4, libx11-6, libxext6, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 14:13.55 | StyXman | no, no libqt4 there |
| 14:14.06 | mwnn | I am using lenny. I just did an "apt-get install imagemagick". |
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| 14:14.17 | Nyle | mwnn: recommended pacakge |
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| 14:14.29 | StyXman | ulim: try getting into the source's dir and "fakeroot ./debian/rules binary" |
| 14:14.44 | Nyle | StyXman: there is no rules file... |
| 14:14.53 | Nyle | in fact there is no debiain folder |
| 14:15.01 | Nyle | I don't even think this guy read the maint guide I told him about |
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| 14:15.02 | regurgitate | hi |
| 14:15.12 | mwnn | here is the output of "apt-get" -> http://rafb.net/p/R9KjPx87.html |
| 14:15.41 | Nyle | gpmO0o.oops(): [gpn.c(164)]: Could not open /var/run/gpm.pid |
| 14:15.44 | Nyle | the fuck... |
| 14:15.47 | liable | ulim: i really dont think you can do it without a debian box to package it. |
| 14:15.53 | Nyle | oh.. nm |
| 14:16.09 | ulim | Nyle: I'm reading the guide for 20 minutes but it doesnt really help me much (this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
| 14:16.48 | liable | ulim: its really just an archive which ar can handle, but you need the proper bits inside it. |
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| 14:16.57 | Nyle | thats the thing though |
| 14:17.01 | yEpLA | hi |
| 14:17.05 | Nyle | tricky bit |
| 14:17.06 | Nyle | hi |
| 14:17.14 | yEpLA | apt-get install gnome on sid doesn't work borken ? |
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| 14:17.35 | ulim | liable: hmmm that's bad. I'll have to beg someone to do it then. Maybe I'll get somewhere with cpack, heard there is a module that can do debian packages |
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| 14:17.49 | liable | ulim: what is it anyway? |
| 14:17.55 | Nyle | gdebby or something is it? |
| 14:18.08 | Nyle | no idea pfft |
| 14:18.10 | ulim | liable: irssi-otr, Off-the-record messaging (OTR) for irssi |
| 14:18.41 | StyXman | yEpLA: define "doesn't work" |
| 14:19.00 | liable | ulim: if its in the irssi repo, why not just email the irssi maintainer to ask if he can package it? |
| 14:19.03 | Nyle | yEpLA: you tell us.. what does it say |
| 14:19.34 | liable | !maint irssi |
| 14:19.35 | ulim | liable: it's not in the irssi repo ;) |
| 14:19.36 | dpkg | irssi: David Pashley <david@davidpashley.com> |
| 14:20.02 | ulim | liable: not yet anyway, I have no idea if they'd be interested in it |
| 14:20.06 | liable | ulim: oh, then why not try and get it there first? |
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| 14:20.57 | ulim | liable: My first objective is to get people to use the thing. And I already had two guys running debian stable that had problems building |
| 14:21.08 | Nyle | ulim: what does it do? |
| 14:21.16 | ulim | i didnt know it would be so hard to create a debian package. |
| 14:21.19 | Nyle | you built it? |
| 14:21.23 | liable | ulim: then you need to fix that first :) |
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| 14:21.31 | Nyle | off the wall messaging? |
| 14:21.34 | Nyle | record |
| 14:21.34 | liable | fix the building problem |
| 14:21.56 | ulim | Nyle: off the record (OTR) messaging, used in pretty much all IM clients these days (pidgin,adium,kopete,...) |
| 14:22.03 | Nyle | i see |
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| 14:22.11 | Nyle | you want to have AIM inside irssi? |
| 14:22.14 | ulim | Nyle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging |
| 14:22.17 | StyXman | Nyle: encrypted messaging |
| 14:22.21 | Nyle | i see |
| 14:22.29 | ulim | it makes sense in combination with bitlbee |
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| 14:22.41 | liable | yep |
| 14:22.42 | Nyle | hm |
| 14:22.43 | ulim | (bitlbee being an IM-to-IRC gateway) |
| 14:22.53 | Nyle | so o |
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| 14:23.00 | StyXman | ulim: ufff |
| 14:23.08 | vjoe | hey |
| 14:23.09 | Nyle | ulim: where did you get this .so file? |
| 14:23.22 | ulim | Nyle: I've built it :) |
| 14:23.32 | Nyle | and you dont want to give people the soruce |
| 14:23.36 | Nyle | wtf is the matter with you? |
| 14:23.40 | Nyle | :( |
| 14:23.59 | ulim | Nyle: git clone git://git.tuxfamily.org/gitroot/irssiotr/irssiotr.git |
| 14:24.02 | Nyle | you will not get this into debian without source |
| 14:24.03 | ulim | Nyle: there are your sources |
| 14:24.04 | Nyle | period. |
| 14:24.17 | Nyle | ulim: I thought you wanted to build a binary package only. |
| 14:24.33 | ulim | Nyle: I don't wanna write a build script for debian |
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| 14:24.49 | ulim | Nyle: because I have no idea about debian and I already have a build script (cmake) |
| 14:24.57 | Nyle | you arew not trying to get into debian? oh you don't even use debian |
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| 14:25.33 | Nyle | ulim: you can easily use debootstrap and setup a build env. in a chroot and build your debian stuff there |
| 14:25.39 | Nyle | regardless of which linux distro you use right now |
| 14:25.40 | yEpLA | Nyle, apt-get install gnome : gnome : depend : gnome-desktop-environment packet broken |
| 14:25.46 | ulim | Nyle: is it such a bad thing that I want a debian package for my debian users? |
| 14:25.50 | Nyle | yEpLA: sid? |
| 14:25.54 | yEpLA | yes |
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| 14:25.57 | liable | ulim: really, you need to find out why it doesnt build, then fix it, then if its cool, people will package it :) |
| 14:25.58 | Nyle | sorry can't help ya |
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| 14:26.10 | Nyle | ulim: not at al |
| 14:26.19 | Nyle | ulim: but it will be very hard to build without being on debian bro |
| 14:26.23 | Nyle | thats what we're trying to tell you |
| 14:26.32 | ulim | liable: yeah I believe I already fixed the problem (debian has older glib) and it should build now |
| 14:26.39 | yEpLA | Nyle, ? |
| 14:26.41 | ulim | yeah i get it :) |
| 14:26.46 | liable | it should be able to be built from source without needing to be a deb |
| 14:26.58 | StyXman | ulim: building .deb packages need much support from debian's tools is almos impossible to do it outside one |
| 14:27.12 | Nyle | yEpLA: if you have to ask about a dependency problem, then you should not use sid. |
| 14:27.16 | StyXman | except for a chroot'ed environment or similar |
| 14:27.21 | Nyle | yEpLA: not trying to put you down, just being real. |
| 14:27.24 | Nyle | keepin' it real. |
| 14:28.02 | ulim | StyXman: I thought doing a binary package of a single .so file wouldnt be that hard and I also saw that debhelper and debianutils packages in my tree so I thought, should be doable |
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| 14:28.18 | Nyle | when you use sid you're expected to be able to fix it yoruself, and something as trivial as that, obviously some gnome depends are borken, first plce i'd check is the debian bts for gnome |
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| 14:29.33 | flokuehn_ | hi. i have an 400 gb hdd and want to create an fifth partition but cfdisk fdisk an qtparted tells me the empty space on this hdd is not useable. how can i find out why this is not useable? |
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| 14:29.49 | Nyle | flokuehn_: you have 4 primary partitions alrady? |
| 14:29.59 | liassist | hello, will debian work on my system and give me as much as pakages that ubuntu will give??(my system is 256mb ram 1.4ghz processer and 64mb vram)(i need a good distro for this configuration)(iam new to linux)(what version will be best,)i want a nice and good DE and WM with menu's and all stuff like gnome(but not gnome) |
| 14:30.10 | flokuehn_ | Nyle: yes this could be |
| 14:30.11 | Nyle | flokuehn_: if you have 4 primary partitions you're fucked |
| 14:30.16 | StyXman | ulim: unlickly, it *is* that hard. |
| 14:30.21 | Nyle | flokuehn_: delete one, make it extended, then a logical inside |
| 14:30.22 | flokuehn_ | ok seems iam fucked then. |
| 14:30.27 | Nyle | or as many logicals as you want inside |
| 14:30.33 | flokuehn_ | hmmm k |
| 14:30.54 | Nyle | can't have 4 primaries and other, |
| 14:31.08 | Nyle | max 3 primary, 1 extended+ however many logicals |
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| 14:31.24 | flokuehn_ | besides the shit from redmond i have an debian installed with an swap partition of about 1 gb. can i delete the swap file without any problems ? |
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| 14:31.38 | Nyle | flokuehn_: howmuch RAM? |
| 14:31.42 | flokuehn_ | 2 gb |
| 14:31.47 | Nyle | flokuehn_: fuck it |
| 14:31.54 | ulim | StyXman: puuh ok. You wouldnt happen to know anything about cpack building .deb files? |
| 14:31.59 | flokuehn_ | Nyle: you think i dont need it ? |
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| 14:32.09 | Nyle | flokuehn_: if you need to use swap (after you monitor swap usage over a week or two) if not much, just create a file and mount that |
| 14:32.20 | liassist | well, seeing your nice language and your temper ill leave |
| 14:32.23 | Nyle | flokuehn_: no need to waste a primary partion on swap |
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| 14:32.27 | StyXman | ulim: checking |
| 14:32.28 | Nyle | make the swap inside the extended |
| 14:32.39 | Nyle | swap is basically |
| 14:32.41 | Nyle | !swap |
| 14:32.41 | dpkg | i guess swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 14:32.44 | StyXman | ulim: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake:Packaging_With_CPack <-- this? |
| 14:32.50 | liable | liassist: wow, thats a lot of questions without supplying much info. but i would say, yes, debian will support it if you could give more info on the mobo |
| 14:33.05 | flokuehn_ | Nyle: thank you very much |
| 14:33.10 | Nyle | sure |
| 14:33.44 | Nyle | beware, if you DO use swap, swapfile will be lots slower than raw disk access to swap partition |
| 14:33.50 | ulim | StyXman: exactly. This page says there is .deb support: http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CMake:CPackPackageGenerators |
| 14:33.51 | Nyle | as it has to go through the fs driver layer |
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| 14:33.53 | jelly-home | liable: [s]he left already |
| 14:34.10 | liable | jelly-home: i lose |
| 14:34.10 | Nyle | pokes jelly and watches him jiggle |
| 14:34.23 | Nyle | :D |
| 14:34.27 | jelly-home | liable: <liassist> well, seeing your nice language and your temper ill leave <-- liassist (i=rohan@122.163.181.211) has left #debian ("Leaving") |
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| 14:34.38 | liable | jelly-home: took me a bit to stop giggling and phrase the question :) |
| 14:34.46 | jelly-home | blames Nyle for saying FUCK |
| 14:34.51 | Nyle | I'm sorry |
| 14:34.55 | StyXman | ulim: you can try that, but then I would pass the .deb through deblint just to be sure it's rather ok |
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| 14:34.58 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 14:34.58 | enouf | fuck em |
| 14:35.07 | liable | well, i sat fuck em too. |
| 14:35.08 | StyXman | gtg |
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| 14:35.28 | jelly-home | liable: this, this is why we don't have nice polite users like ubuntu! |
| 14:35.36 | Nyle | lol |
| 14:35.41 | Nyle | fuck ubuntu |
| 14:35.43 | liable | jelly-home: and this is a very good thing. |
| 14:35.57 | Nyle | if polite == dumb as oxen, then no thanks, I don't need polite |
| 14:35.57 | defrysk | :D |
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| 14:36.19 | Nyle | which seems to be the case in there as everyone pours in #debian to say its got better support |
| 14:36.35 | Juventino | argh! |
| 14:36.38 | Nyle | i aint makin fun of nobody, but that happens here |
| 14:36.38 | Juventino | i hate intel :s |
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| 14:36.42 | Nyle | no you don't |
| 14:36.52 | Nyle | you can't hate intel |
| 14:36.55 | liable | yes, the nice stupid people are there, the arrogant smart grumpy assholes are here |
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| 14:37.02 | Nyle | liable: hehe |
| 14:37.09 | Juventino | well i hate the intel graphics chipsets :s |
| 14:37.09 | Nyle | not grumpy |
| 14:37.11 | Nyle | sick of bullshit. |
| 14:37.27 | wols | #ubuntu is polite since the ops rule with an iron fist. Ubuntu users aren't giving good support since ubuntu attracts users without knowledge: if you build something an idiot could use, mostly idiots will use it |
| 14:37.30 | Nyle | it causes us to be short of patience at times but thats just human |
| 14:37.44 | Nyle | wols: very well put. |
| 14:38.18 | Juventino | wols btw i checked the page, seems that DRI got problems with intel.. from what i understood.. |
| 14:38.21 | defrysk | that makes ubuntu = idiots united |
| 14:38.23 | liable | and unfortunately, the ops here seem to want to stear us in that direction |
| 14:38.26 | Nyle | thanks for totally killing my fun-making... |
| 14:38.32 | streuner | wols: what did you smoke today? |
| 14:38.35 | Nyle | prick :) |
| 14:38.44 | wols | streuner: why? |
| 14:38.48 | Nyle | streuner: he doesn't smoke does he? |
| 14:38.59 | wols | Nyle: my MD would kill me, literally |
| 14:39.01 | aadil | is back on irc after like 6 months of absence |
| 14:39.01 | streuner | because you gave an idiotic statement |
| 14:39.07 | aadil | boy, it feels the same |
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| 14:39.08 | aadil | ... |
| 14:39.17 | wols | streuner: which one, the one about ubuntu? what is idiotic there? |
| 14:39.23 | Nyle | wols: btw, I had somehow confused kidneys with liver... my liver is bad due to hepatitis at a younger age, not kidneys |
| 14:39.25 | liable | MD? |
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| 14:39.28 | wols | btw: I constantly say idictic things, you should know by now |
| 14:39.35 | streuner | Nyle: why, do you think someone can give such statements without smoking totally crap? ;-) |
| 14:39.36 | wols | medical doctory. |
| 14:39.37 | mentor | Hmmmm, I didn't think it was Sunday yet |
| 14:39.37 | wols | -y |
| 14:39.38 | liable | yes, we know |
| 14:39.41 | Nyle | wols: sorry, I thought kidney was something else in my langauge when i was translaing when talking to you |
| 14:39.52 | Nyle | wols: I was specifically thinking liver but i didn't know it was called liver in english |
| 14:39.53 | streuner | mentor: permasunday |
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| 14:39.57 | liable | idiotic too |
| 14:40.05 | Nyle | streuner: heh, true |
| 14:40.11 | wols | streuner: please tell me what is idiotic |
| 14:40.22 | asg | mentor: schools will be/are letting out for summer, we will see a general increase of noise for a bit |
| 14:40.32 | Nyle | dude |
| 14:40.35 | Nyle | summer is here |
| 14:40.38 | Nyle | winter is over |
| 14:40.43 | mentor | Endless September |
| 14:40.46 | liable | winter here.. |
| 14:40.48 | wols | Nyle: but not summer holidays |
| 14:40.52 | Nyle | chics will be out and about, hot and bothered, with many many less clothes |
| 14:40.59 | Nyle | beaches will be full of TnA |
| 14:41.02 | Nyle | mmmm |
| 14:41.09 | Nyle | yummy (/me loves women) |
| 14:41.10 | wols | Nyle: flabby TnA |
| 14:41.17 | Nyle | wols: for you maybe! |
| 14:41.19 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:41.39 | tingle | hello, i just installed proftpd but i will use it occasionally is there a way i can disable it on boot? and just start it whit /etc/init.d/proftpd or something? |
| 14:41.46 | mentor | Nyle: Wow. The return key is not a substitute for punctuation |
| 14:41.54 | Nyle | mentor: my bad |
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| 14:42.02 | lvlefisto | Synaptic is taking too long to Preconfigure packages... |
| 14:42.05 | asg | tingle: yes, you can use update-rc.d to set all the rcX levels to K99proftpd |
| 14:42.18 | Nyle | hehe rotnem |
| 14:42.18 | wols | tingle: don't put it in /etc/rc2.d/ and yes you can start it with /etc/init.d/proftpd start and proftpd stop |
| 14:42.33 | Nyle | thats a cool sounding nickname too backwards, rotnem |
| 14:42.39 | Nyle | sounds german |
| 14:43.04 | lvlefisto | so i stopped the process and i want to do it manually, can anyone tell me what is the command to do this by hand? |
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| 14:43.23 | wols | lvlefisto: man apt-get |
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| 14:43.33 | lvlefisto | wols, thanks! |
| 14:43.34 | Nyle | still reading apt-get? |
| 14:43.40 | Nyle | why not aptitude? |
| 14:43.48 | Nyle | !why not aptitude |
| 14:43.48 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 14:43.51 | mentor | tingle: Yeah, you can set your sysv-rc not to start it. This will probably be easier by using sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:44.01 | wols | cause synaptic is a apt-get frontend, not synaptic. and mixing them is BAD |
| 14:44.09 | Nyle | ooh |
| 14:44.14 | Nyle | i missed that par |
| 14:44.20 | wols | *not aptitude |
| 14:44.33 | lvlefisto | thanks guys |
| 14:44.52 | enouf | tingle: another option is rcconf, /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 14:44.59 | asg | tingle: something like 'update-rc.d -f proftpd stop 99 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 .' should take care of it as well as not re-enabling things after a package update |
| 14:45.04 | Nyle | what time is it? |
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| 14:45.22 | defrysk | suppertime |
| 14:45.30 | tingle | hm this is had now i got three diffrent looking awnsers what is the cleanist way to do it? |
| 14:45.44 | cahoot | soon time for real football |
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| 14:46.05 | Nyle | cahoot: that rugby style football or soccer? |
| 14:46.11 | cahoot | meh |
| 14:46.17 | mentor | tingle: They're all the same answer really. I'd still recommend sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:46.28 | Juventino | guys, can someone check that and tell me what's wrong? http://www.pastebin.ca/1041290 |
| 14:46.52 | enouf | tingle: choice is a tough to swallow eh? ;-) |
| 14:46.54 | wols | mentor: me likes rm, vim and ln :) |
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| 14:47.11 | enouf | er +pill .. but nm |
| 14:47.20 | mentor | wols: That's too much like hard work |
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| 14:47.27 | wols | Juventino: you won't see it there. if anywhere it's Xorg.0.log |
| 14:47.39 | wols | mentor: but guaranteed to work everywhere :) |
| 14:47.47 | tingle | mentor: cant execture it and cant find it on the system as a file? how do i use sysv-rc-conf? |
| 14:47.48 | Juventino | wols ok, 1 sec |
| 14:47.49 | Nyle | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main libidn11 1.8+20080602-1 |
| 14:47.53 | Nyle | ip not found |
| 14:48.06 | Nyle | the fuck... crappy verizon bullcrap DNS |
| 14:48.06 | enouf | !installit |
| 14:48.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 14:48.07 | mentor | tingle: You need to install it first. |
| 14:48.26 | Nyle | whats a good public dns server I can use? |
| 14:48.35 | Nyle | this verizon one won't even find the debian servers |
| 14:48.35 | streuner | Nyle: mpg321 http://88.191.12.106:9000 |
| 14:48.42 | asg | Nyle: 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:48.52 | Nyle | asg: more work... |
| 14:48.55 | Nyle | :( |
| 14:49.10 | Nyle | I've only ran djb before once |
| 14:49.12 | streuner | Nyle: what's wrong with your ISP DNS server? |
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| 14:49.24 | Nyle | streuner: it won't resolve a lot of debian mirrors |
| 14:49.25 | Laban | Hi |
| 14:49.27 | Nyle | ip not found |
| 14:49.28 | tingle | mentor: ok well thanks for the advise but i would like to keep my install as minimal as possible can i disable proftpd from starting up on booting by edditing a conf file? |
| 14:49.41 | asg | Nyle: there's always maradns |
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| 14:49.46 | wols | tingle: you do it by removing a symlink |
| 14:49.47 | Nyle | streuner: it used to happen in my old apt wheni hacked wireless nets |
| 14:49.50 | streuner | Nyle: just put them into /etc/hosts |
| 14:49.53 | Nyle | asg: maradns eh hmm |
| 14:49.55 | wols | tingle: rm /etc/rc2.d/*proftpd |
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| 14:50.00 | Nyle | asg: hey i just found a 'opendns' in google too |
| 14:50.06 | Laban | Need some help to re-install a package (mydns-mysql), it's "stuck" and apt-get won't install anything until this is resolved. |
| 14:50.13 | Juventino | wols can you check http://www.pastebin.ca/1041291 ? |
| 14:50.15 | Nyle | streuner: yes but other stuff gets not resolved either |
| 14:50.21 | Laban | My error: http://pastebin.org/41273 |
| 14:50.23 | Nyle | streuner: i'll use a dns that works |
| 14:50.28 | liable | really, i think thats the main reason why the other ticket got so rediculous |
| 14:50.33 | tingle | wols: is removing the syslink a 'clean' way of managing a system? |
| 14:50.36 | streuner | Nyle: example? |
| 14:50.40 | dryrot | http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=48HoursOndemand |
| 14:50.40 | liable | stupid windows |
| 14:50.44 | wols | Juventino: (EE) AIGLX error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument)(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
| 14:50.48 | liable | irssi windows.. |
| 14:50.54 | wols | tingle: it's what all these other things you got told do too |
| 14:50.55 | Nyle | sometimes facebook doesn't resolve |
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| 14:51.04 | streuner | Nyle: URL |
| 14:51.10 | asg | Nyle: no loss there |
| 14:51.14 | Nyle | streuner: I dunno, here n there, random stuff, verizon sucks |
| 14:51.30 | tingle | wols: how about 16:41 < asg> tingle: yes, you can use update-rc.d to set all the rcX levels to K99proftpd |
| 14:51.32 | wols | streuner: run your own DNS server and go directly to the rootservers |
| 14:51.32 | Nyle | streuner: soemtimes only, and its only happend to be on verizon no other ISP |
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| 14:51.44 | Nyle | I'm hacking a WEP right now |
| 14:51.45 | Juventino | wols anyway i can fix that?? |
| 14:51.55 | Nyle | my cable won't be hooked up till the 14th |
| 14:51.55 | asg | Laban: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mydns-mysql.postinst and put 'exit 0' after the first line. Then 'apt-get -f install'. Then you can remove the package and re-install |
| 14:52.02 | wols | tingle: that's bad. first it startst proftpd on bootup and them it immediately stops it again. wasted time |
| 14:52.02 | Nyle | cable > dsl any friggin day man |
| 14:52.31 | Nyle | I don't know why people think WEP will protect them |
| 14:52.38 | wols | asg: should you check first what's wrong with that mysql package before you bring out the big hammer? |
| 14:52.45 | Nyle | well w/e, good for me |
| 14:52.47 | tingle | wols: if that what it does then i agree whit you |
| 14:52.55 | liable | but dont link the source to a ticket |
| 14:52.59 | tingle | wols: thanks |
| 14:53.00 | liable | fuck |
| 14:53.11 | wols | liable: you're not pretty enough to |
| 14:53.25 | streuner | Nyle: FYI, almost all german ISP's DNS servers aren't closed, is that in US otherwise? |
| 14:53.26 | Nyle | pretty? |
| 14:53.39 | Nyle | bah, brown paper bag is all you need, given its a hot body |
| 14:53.58 | Nyle | wols: or turn the lights out ;) |
| 14:54.06 | liable | wols: i can borrow this sexy silk dress! |
| 14:54.11 | Nyle | streuner: usa is diff |
| 14:54.17 | streuner | hm |
| 14:54.22 | Nyle | streuner: isp's don't allow aceess to thier stuff |
| 14:54.24 | wols | liable: brings out your manboobs adorably |
| 14:54.26 | asg | wols: if you want to but if it's stored in debconf, it'll be hard to fix |
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| 14:55.06 | wols | streuner: US is also the country where are those cable ISPs now bring out caps. yay cable! |
| 14:55.12 | Nyle | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main libcurl3-gnutls 7.18.1-1+b1 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 14:55.17 | Nyle | for exampe |
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| 14:55.42 | Nyle | wols: uncapped here |
| 14:55.48 | Nyle | wols: I pay 12$/mo extra for it |
| 14:55.53 | liable | wols: i'm only double b :( |
| 14:55.56 | Nyle | so 42, instead of 29.99 |
| 14:56.15 | Nyle | I got a 14Mbps down, and 1.5Mbps up |
| 14:56.22 | wols | liable: have a few hamburgers and it will grow. don't worry |
| 14:56.27 | Nyle | cable, no monthsly quotas or caps, can dl whatever amount |
| 14:56.49 | Nyle | I would like to go to germany once day |
| 14:56.53 | lenom | How can i find out which screen resolution i'm running (xorg) |
| 14:57.02 | liable | only for the beer |
| 14:57.16 | wols | liable: we export it |
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| 14:57.21 | cahoot | lenom: xrandr |
| 14:57.26 | tingle | lenom: run xrandr in a terminal |
| 14:57.30 | Nyle | I was in frankfurt when I was 12, but then my plane door broke, and we were at the airport for 11 hours, but we stays in the hotel right there, they didn't let us go cuz we didn't have german visa |
| 14:57.44 | streuner | liable: [ ] well, i saw some beautiful women in germany :-P |
| 14:57.44 | Nyle | but still, I bought some choc. there, and man i tell ya, german choc is the bomb |
| 14:57.57 | liable | wols: yes, but you have those big steins with the big boobied helga's serving it. |
| 14:57.57 | lenom | cahoot: thanks |
| 14:58.14 | Nyle | lol |
| 14:58.15 | wedge | Nyle: swedish broadband.. 100mbit up/down 30$/month is pretty nice |
| 14:58.25 | Nyle | wedge: oh oh oh |
| 14:58.27 | wedge | then again... corporate is as expensive as international market. |
| 14:58.31 | Nyle | wedge: /me orgasms wildly |
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| 14:58.37 | wedge | I pay 4500EUR for gigabit |
| 14:58.37 | shadfc | wedge: nice |
| 14:58.41 | wedge | roughly |
| 14:58.46 | slumhor | in what folder is the dependencies installed so i can check all the dependencies i have |
| 14:58.47 | slumhor | ? |
| 14:58.47 | wedge | depends on commit |
| 14:58.47 | Nyle | goddamn man |
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| 14:58.52 | Nyle | we're in usa and we got shit. |
| 14:59.03 | wols | slumhor: they aren't |
| 14:59.04 | streuner | sweden is different |
| 14:59.07 | Nyle | usa is supposed to be 'the greatest nation on earth' as they say here over n over damn rednecks |
| 14:59.16 | wedge | lol |
| 14:59.16 | Nyle | but we can't have faster than 10mbps internet without fios? |
| 14:59.18 | streuner | they have really good internet, but that's an execption |
| 14:59.20 | Nyle | what kinda bullshit is this |
| 14:59.20 | hoxu | wedge, the consumer prices in sweden are nice... I wish our government supported the infra too :/ |
| 14:59.20 | wedge | greatest nation my ass :P |
| 14:59.22 | shadfc | my fios in florida is pretty nice |
| 14:59.34 | shadfc | 20/5 for $40/month |
| 14:59.46 | Nyle | i got no fios where i live |
| 14:59.48 | Nyle | you suck |
| 14:59.49 | streuner | liable: why not come to .de and see yourself? |
| 14:59.51 | wols | Juventino: do you have a drm/dri module in the kernel for X? |
| 14:59.53 | Nyle | :( |
| 15:00.10 | asg | Nyle: that's because you use SPTP |
| 15:00.15 | Juventino | wols i got drm i guess, how can i check to be sure? |
| 15:00.27 | Nyle | asg: I'm not sure what that is |
| 15:00.28 | liable | streuner: i will some day. preferably during oktoberfest :) |
| 15:00.37 | asg | Nyle: Squirrel Packet Transport Protocol |
| 15:00.46 | slumhor | wols what is the name of the folder where you can check all the dependencies you got installed? |
| 15:00.46 | wols | liable: most of the helgas are 50 year olds. rarely big boobied since that is fat. serving girls like them are stronger than any domina and certainly not fat: they wouldn't be able to keep up |
| 15:00.49 | slumhor | someone tell me please |
| 15:00.57 | wols | slumhor: you can't |
| 15:00.59 | slumhor | i need to check if i got all the dependencies that skype need |
| 15:01.06 | Nyle | [#debian] [ 486.018305] program swap-offset is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, pnvert it to SG_IO |
| 15:01.08 | slumhor | wols ofcourse i can. i just forgot the name of the folder |
| 15:01.10 | wols | slumhor: dependencies are packages like any other and certainly not in a folder |
| 15:01.11 | streuner | liable: why that? its only for tourists, not much german only for them :-) |
| 15:01.13 | Nyle | what kinda weird message is this |
| 15:01.18 | Nyle | I've never seen this before |
| 15:01.20 | wedge | Im going to paris at the beginning of july as technical supervisor at some event.. then over to germany |
| 15:01.23 | wols | slumhor: whatever this folder contains, it's NOT dependencies |
| 15:01.25 | slumhor | there is a folder in / where you can see a list of all dependencies |
| 15:01.29 | wedge | germany will be nice ;D |
| 15:01.30 | slumhor | who gives a shit |
| 15:01.33 | slumhor | i just need the names idiot |
| 15:01.33 | Nyle | this randomly pops up in my irssi |
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| 15:01.42 | slumhor | and it lists all the names of your dependencies there |
| 15:01.42 | wols | slumhor: stop that |
| 15:01.44 | Nyle | [#debian] [ 486.018305] program swap-offset is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO |
| 15:01.47 | neo_ | Hi... |
| 15:01.49 | slumhor | what an idiot |
| 15:01.58 | slumhor | you guys are almoast as stupid as the once in ubuntu |
| 15:01.59 | wols | thinks it's nice how the ops don't react this time |
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| 15:02.01 | slumhor | hmm next channel |
| 15:02.10 | slumhor | wols you cry ops? |
| 15:02.12 | slumhor | lol |
| 15:02.14 | asg | slumhor: apt-cache show package (note the dependancies) ; dpkg -l | grep ^ii (see if you have them) |
| 15:02.14 | Nyle | slumhor: dude |
| 15:02.14 | slumhor | away |
| 15:02.17 | Nyle | ffs |
| 15:02.21 | liable | streuner: but i like beer! |
| 15:02.22 | hoxu | slumhor, you've been warned, I don't think there will be a next time |
| 15:02.28 | shadfc | ignore still works though, hooyah! |
| 15:02.28 | wols | !ops please remove slumhor for public away messages |
| 15:02.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please remove slumhor for public away messages |
| 15:02.39 | Nyle | and other bullshit |
| 15:02.47 | streuner | liable: you'll get good beer anywhere, even if you have to import that ... |
| 15:02.48 | slumhor | sheesus christ . no wonder you guys cry ops you dont know shit about linux |
| 15:02.50 | slumhor | lol |
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| 15:02.58 | asg | shadfc: the problem with /ignore is that you still see 1/2 of the idiotic conversation |
| 15:02.59 | Nyle | slummer: please educate us |
| 15:03.00 | Nyle | what is linux |
| 15:03.07 | wols | asg: -noreply ? |
| 15:03.10 | hoxu | !turday |
| 15:03.10 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. There are no exits. |
| 15:03.13 | neo_ | can any one tell me how van i make a debian package from source ?? |
| 15:03.13 | streuner | Nyle: gone |
| 15:03.14 | asg | wols: :) |
| 15:03.17 | Nyle | awe |
| 15:03.21 | Nyle | debian sucks! |
| 15:03.25 | svenlito | hi there, having problems with openldap apparently port is closed |
| 15:03.29 | asg | neo_: /msg dpkg mg |
| 15:03.37 | stew | /queries... |
| 15:03.38 | Nyle | no? eh. I've never been successful at trolling :( |
| 15:03.56 | svenlito | telnet localhost 389 |
| 15:03.56 | svenlito | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 15:03.56 | svenlito | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 15:04.03 | streuner | everybody knows you :-P |
| 15:04.06 | Nyle | telnet is not running |
| 15:04.11 | Nyle | demon |
| 15:04.11 | asg | svenlito: it may be using ssl (port 636) |
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| 15:04.21 | mentor | At least not on port 289 |
| 15:04.23 | mentor | 3 |
| 15:04.28 | Nyle | er.. wtf did i just read? nmme |
| 15:04.29 | wols | svenlito: do never ever run a telnetserver. it's evil. install openssh-server and use ssh |
| 15:04.40 | Nyle | mentor: i just .. nevermind |
| 15:04.46 | svenlito | i just run telnet to test a port |
| 15:04.49 | Nyle | cranial flatulance |
| 15:04.53 | neo_ | asg , can you tell me some more details ?? |
| 15:04.57 | asg | wols: he was just using telnet instead of the much better netcat |
| 15:05.00 | wols | svenlito: man netstat |
| 15:05.26 | asg | neo_: there is a simple packaging guide that provides a walkthrough for creating a package. if you '/msg dpkg mg', our bot will point you to that resource. |
| 15:05.59 | mentor | wols: Would you be a little more constructive in your !ops messages too? |
| 15:06.05 | svenlito | this is what nmap says: PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 15:06.05 | svenlito | 389/tcp closed ldap |
| 15:06.27 | Nyle | mentor: how do you mean? |
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| 15:06.44 | wols | mentor: they don't get answered anyways. and ad hominems don't get dealt with either |
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| 15:06.50 | wols | so maybe I shouldn't do them at all anymore |
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| 15:07.01 | Nyle | anarchy... |
| 15:07.03 | wols | and let bots like diaper-rash take over |
| 15:07.23 | svenlito | 636/tcp closed ldapssl |
| 15:07.34 | wols | svenlito: firewall? |
| 15:07.38 | svenlito | nope |
| 15:07.41 | asg | svenlito: then check the logs to find out why it didn't start |
| 15:07.49 | wols | svenlito: use netstat. not a useless scanner |
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| 15:07.54 | stew | wols: diaper-rash was not a bot. and the fact that sometimes ops aren't around to deal with people misbehaving is in no way an excuse for you to be using ad-hominems |
| 15:07.54 | enouf | slumhor was just a sore passive-aggressive ubuntu troll |
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| 15:08.18 | stew | wols: and when i said "/queries", i was trying to inform you that i'm trying to talk to the person you were alerting me to |
| 15:08.23 | svenlito | wols: netstat doesnt show anything |
| 15:08.27 | streuner | see, wols, that's what you getting then ^^^ |
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| 15:08.41 | wols | svenlito: with what arguments? |
| 15:08.42 | mentor | enouf: Don't feed it then. |
| 15:09.03 | svenlito | wols: netstat -tap |
| 15:09.06 | Nyle | yeh feed me instead.. im friggin starvin' |
| 15:09.13 | asg | :feed neo_ |
| 15:09.19 | streuner | !feed Nyle |
| 15:09.19 | dpkg | feeds Nyle to the crocs. |
| 15:09.20 | asg | ECHAN |
| 15:09.22 | wols | svenlito: then your ldap stuff is not listening. check the logs as has already been said |
| 15:09.24 | Nyle | eek! |
| 15:09.28 | enouf | mentor: i didn't make one comment to or about that turd when they were here |
| 15:09.34 | svenlito | wols: just checkin |
| 15:09.42 | stew | enouf: drop it |
| 15:09.42 | Nyle | enouf: I think hes just saying good advice in general |
| 15:09.50 | Nyle | not pointing fingers |
| 15:10.06 | svenlito | wols: thats what my logs say |
| 15:10.07 | svenlito | Jun 7 16:09:46 xserv slapd[22752]: @(#) $OpenLDAP: slapd 2.3.30 (Apr 5 2008 13:42:13) $ ^Ibuildd@malo:/build/buildd/openldap2.3-2.3.30/debian/build/servers/slapd |
| 15:10.07 | enouf | i'm just pointing out the obvious .. no prob, dropped |
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| 15:10.30 | streuner | what the fuck is going on today? |
| 15:10.30 | svenlito | nothing more |
| 15:10.30 | streuner | *shakes his head* |
| 15:10.30 | wols | svenlito: maybe try it to be more verbose? |
| 15:10.30 | Nyle | streuner: something in the air today |
| 15:10.34 | wols | svenlito: other ldap ports are listening? |
| 15:10.35 | liable | nothing less |
| 15:10.37 | Nyle | streuner: smells like...crack! |
| 15:10.49 | streuner | Nyle: yeah, i have this expression too |
| 15:10.52 | svenlito | wols: using standard config |
| 15:10.56 | svenlito | 389 |
| 15:11.11 | wols | standard config rarely listens on ssl encrypted ports only |
| 15:11.18 | Nyle | wow aptitude score -10000 or so |
| 15:11.27 | mentor | enouf: Fair enough. Being abusive/rude/annoying about it afterwards isn't acceptable either. |
| 15:11.27 | Nyle | 'kde' broken in sid btw. |
| 15:11.34 | wols | hmmm 389 is normal ldap. why did you say ldapssl then? |
| 15:11.36 | Nyle | as of today anyway |
| 15:11.52 | svenlito | was mentioned above. |
| 15:12.12 | svenlito | just to clarifiy im not using ldap ssl |
| 15:12.41 | wols | svenlito: you were root on your netstat run? |
| 15:12.46 | svenlito | yes |
| 15:13.08 | wols | does it run at all? (ps) |
| 15:13.29 | svenlito | starts normally |
| 15:13.33 | streuner | Nyle: do you like the stream? |
| 15:13.37 | wols | then it must be your config |
| 15:13.43 | svenlito | i guess so |
| 15:14.02 | svenlito | can´t find anything suspcious. went thru it like 4 times |
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| 15:14.30 | svenlito | im getting an error with the smbldap_tools tho |
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| 15:14.46 | svenlito | smbldap-populate says: |
| 15:14.52 | svenlito | erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /usr/share/perl5/smbldap_tools.pm line 282. |
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| 15:15.07 | dfsdfihsdifu | question about Debian lenny, if I use lenny now, will it be updated to lenny stable when it is released? |
| 15:15.10 | svenlito | searched already for possible fixes |
| 15:15.14 | svenlito | nothing |
| 15:15.22 | asg | dfsdfihsdifu: yes as long as your sources list 'lenny' and not 'testing' |
| 15:16.00 | dfsdfihsdifu | yes |
| 15:16.03 | dfsdfihsdifu | they say lenny |
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| 15:16.14 | dfsdfihsdifu | so im good |
| 15:16.48 | asg | dfsdfihsdifu: then you'll be fine. You may need to add the security sources if you don't have them already when the release is final. |
| 15:17.13 | dfsdfihsdifu | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main ? |
| 15:17.27 | dfsdfihsdifu | thts what I got right now |
| 15:17.31 | asg | dfsdfihsdifu: yep, you're good then. |
| 15:17.36 | dfsdfihsdifu | awesome, thanks |
| 15:17.59 | dfsdfihsdifu | hopefully lenny will be just as stable as etch has been for me |
| 15:18.00 | dfsdfihsdifu | =D |
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| 15:18.13 | stew | its going to be the Best Debian Ever! |
| 15:18.42 | dfsdfihsdifu | :) |
| 15:18.59 | streuner | Don't say it too load, or you we get the next question then :-) |
| 15:19.06 | streuner | s/you/ / |
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| 15:19.32 | streuner | !wir |
| 15:19.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:20.34 | neo_ | <asg> , plss help me... can you give me the exact xhannel name ?? |
| 15:20.46 | neo_ | *chanel |
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| 15:21.38 | streuner | neo_: what for? |
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| 15:23.11 | streuner | !maint |
| 15:23.42 | streuner | neo_: prolly #debian-mentors |
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| 15:24.09 | streuner | !listvals debian-mentors |
| 15:24.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian-mentors' by value (3): mentors ;; usb mount ;; rfs. |
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| 15:24.43 | streuner | neo_: OFTC |
| 15:25.51 | neo_ | streuner , will get there some help about packaging .. ?? :) |
| 15:26.18 | streuner | neo_: just ask here, there are some maints available what i saw |
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| 15:26.38 | neo_ | streuner , ok thanks.. |
| 15:26.47 | kash | hi, i'm trying to install kernel headers but i can't. |
| 15:27.03 | kash | aries:~/zaptel-1.4.11# apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.22-3-vserver-amd64 |
| 15:27.07 | kash | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:27.07 | kash | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.09 | kash | :( |
| 15:27.24 | streuner | kash: packages.debian.org/linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 15:27.37 | streuner | uh, 2.6.22 is old |
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| 15:27.52 | kash | duh, but there's no .24-vserver |
| 15:27.53 | stew | kash: 2.6.22 is no longer in debian, replaced by 2.6.24 and/or 2.6.25 |
| 15:27.55 | streuner | could be that, the headers aren't in the mirrors then |
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| 15:28.47 | streuner | !sdn |
| 15:28.47 | dpkg | somebody said snapshots was an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 15:30.16 | kash | that worked. |
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| 15:35.54 | Led_Zeppelin | hello, I have a server which is hooked up to a Storage Array (12 disks). I have a RAID controller hooked up to it. |
| 15:36.10 | Led_Zeppelin | what would be the best stripe size of the RAID 5 configuration? |
| 15:36.35 | shadfc | *s* what ever happened to the days of 8 minute kernel compiles |
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| 15:41.34 | alphaaa | hey |
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| 15:43.01 | alphaaa | do you know why some youtube videos show a capture that's completely different from the content ? |
| 15:43.25 | simonrvn | how is that a debian question? |
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| 15:44.26 | Agiofws | wols, ok i finished upgrading |
| 15:44.38 | wols | !win Agiofws |
| 15:44.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, Agiofws! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 15:44.47 | shadfc | hehe |
| 15:44.54 | Agiofws | now I CANT search for autopano |
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| 15:45.06 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/apt# apt-cache search autopano |
| 15:45.06 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/apt# |
| 15:45.07 | wols | Agiofws: autopano is not in debian |
| 15:45.20 | wols | Agiofws: apt-cache searc linux-image |
| 15:45.37 | wols | *search |
| 15:45.59 | Agiofws | ok you are telling me now to install an automatic kernel ? |
| 15:46.13 | wols | no, I'm showing you that your search still works |
| 15:46.20 | wols | it's just no autopano in debian, that's all |
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| 15:46.30 | Agiofws | oh ok sorry |
| 15:46.43 | wols | Agiofws: what kernel do you have btw? |
| 15:46.44 | Agiofws | so download and compile ? |
| 15:46.55 | wols | pretty much. maybe use checkinstall |
| 15:47.04 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/apt# uname -a |
| 15:47.05 | Agiofws | Linux ixus 2.6.23.12 #11 SMP Tue Jan 8 03:03:55 EET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:47.13 | wols | you could try sid and sdn. I didn't check there |
| 15:48.23 | Agiofws | change my repos ? |
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| 15:48.42 | wols | no |
| 15:48.46 | wols | !tell Agiofws about search |
| 15:48.55 | wols | also /msg dpkg sdn |
| 15:49.01 | wols | use the websites instead |
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| 15:50.03 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 15:50.29 | rysiek|pl | guys, I am lost; how do I get similar info I get with modinfo for modules, but for drivers that are merged into kernel |
| 15:50.37 | Agiofws | /msg dpkg listkeys autopano |
| 15:50.39 | Agiofws | ? |
| 15:50.46 | wols | Agiofws: unlikely |
| 15:50.56 | wols | rysiek|pl: you can't. you can check the kernel config tho |
| 15:51.07 | rysiek|pl | d'oh |
| 15:51.18 | rysiek|pl | wols: and how do I check kernel config - menuconfig? |
| 15:51.18 | asg | rysiek|pl: and also the Documentation/ directory for the kernel sources for you particular kernel |
| 15:51.33 | rysiek|pl | ah, that makes more sense |
| 15:51.37 | rysiek|pl | thanks! |
| 15:51.43 | rysiek|pl | dives-in |
| 15:52.30 | wols | rysiek|pl: simply go to /boot/ there are all config files for all installed kernels |
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| 15:52.51 | asg | rysiek|pl: for a list of *some* kernel parameters that may affect builtins, see bootparam(7) also |
| 15:54.26 | rysiek|pl | ok, thanks, that should get me started |
| 15:55.46 | Agiofws | wols i'm lost maybe just using "google autopano debian " |
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| 15:56.52 | rysiek|pl | wols, asg: seems like System.map-`uname -r` is what I needed, thanks again |
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| 15:58.17 | Agiofws | can someone tell me how to install autopano-sift in debian |
| 15:59.09 | simonrvn | can you tell us wth that is? |
| 15:59.19 | wols | Agiofws: why do you assume there exists a deb? where did you get your other version of it from? |
| 15:59.36 | wols | simonrvn: system-map? it's a mapfile basically |
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| 15:59.47 | wols | wher in the kernel address space is what symbol |
| 15:59.52 | simonrvn | no, the autopano thing |
| 16:00.11 | wols | panorama software |
| 16:00.19 | simonrvn | nods, thanks |
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| 16:00.29 | wols | takes several pcitures and makes it a big panorama. ultra cinemascope |
| 16:01.01 | wols | tho, it's commercial and windows last I remember... |
| 16:01.19 | Agiofws | before doing your magic it was showing up in apt-cache search no i guess the repos are more strict |
| 16:01.21 | _ZeuZ_ | how can I resize a ReiserFS partition? I've freed from other partitions leaving unallocated space that I need to asign to that reiserfs partition, but I cannot make it bigger with gparted, it doesn't allow me. How can I do to resize it? |
| 16:01.27 | simonrvn | there's such s/w in debian already.. probably lenny, and not etch. |
| 16:01.57 | simonrvn | bbl |
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| 16:02.29 | Agiofws | _ZeuZ_, has to be umounted |
| 16:02.37 | Agiofws | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/package/autopano-sift.php |
| 16:03.15 | miksuh | there is hugin panorama software in etch |
| 16:03.26 | Agiofws | i HAVE HUGIN |
| 16:03.33 | Agiofws | I need autopano-sift |
| 16:04.00 | miksuh | autopano-sift is also in etch |
| 16:04.17 | Agiofws | Fuck Reading state information... Done |
| 16:04.17 | Agiofws | E: Couldn't find package libglade-cil |
| 16:04.20 | miksuh | or maybe it's in multimedia.org |
| 16:04.22 | Agiofws | Grrrrr |
| 16:04.24 | miksuh | debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:04.30 | miksuh | atleast I can see it in synaptic |
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| 16:05.08 | Agiofws | is there something like |
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| 16:05.23 | _ZeuZ_ | Agiofws, it is unmounted before I try to resize it |
| 16:05.23 | Agiofws | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main ? |
| 16:05.28 | _ZeuZ_ | Agiofws, still it does not allow me |
| 16:05.28 | wols | Agiofws: http://www.google.de/search?q=libglade-cil+deb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 16:05.37 | wols | !tell Agiofws about marillat |
| 16:05.40 | miksuh | Agiofws: it seems that autopano-sift is in debian-mukltimedia.org |
| 16:05.44 | miksuh | multimedia |
| 16:05.54 | miksuh | you need to add that repository to your sources.list |
| 16:05.58 | Agiofws | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main is that ok ? |
| 16:06.02 | Agiofws | or |
| 16:06.05 | wols | no it's not |
| 16:06.10 | wols | read the link dpkg gave you |
| 16:06.11 | miksuh | yep |
| 16:06.12 | Agiofws | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main i ? |
| 16:06.14 | Agiofws | ok |
| 16:06.21 | miksuh | it's ok |
| 16:06.38 | miksuh | it depends on if you have etch or lenny |
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| 16:08.11 | wols | miksuh: not enough. e.g. no key |
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| 16:08.26 | miksuh | wols: ? |
| 16:08.41 | wols | archives are signed |
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| 16:09.14 | miksuh | wols: then just install package debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 16:09.29 | Agiofws | ok thanks |
| 16:09.32 | Agiofws | installed :) |
| 16:09.39 | Agiofws | give me a star! |
| 16:09.53 | Agiofws | or a medal ? |
| 16:10.19 | wols | !prize Agiofws |
| 16:10.19 | dpkg | gives Agiofws a beer. |
| 16:10.40 | Agiofws | wow beer thats seems COOL |
| 16:11.02 | wols | a tone more useful and tasty than a medal, that's for sure |
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| 16:20.16 | ma3x | what's the difference between T5450(1,66GHz 2MB 667FSB, Santa Rosa) and Intel Pentium Dual-Core T2370 1730 MHz |
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| 16:21.19 | epsilon2 | the first one sounds like a mobile chip |
| 16:21.32 | wols | both are mobiles |
| 16:21.38 | wols | ma3x: this is not a debian question |
| 16:21.50 | ma3x | wols i know but which one's better? |
| 16:21.58 | wols | none. you are OT |
| 16:22.26 | ma3x | ok would it be IN topic if i ask: on which one of those two would debian run faster? |
| 16:22.30 | wols | no |
| 16:22.49 | wols | stop it already and ask elsewhere |
| 16:22.51 | ma3x | ah, i hate arguing with you |
| 16:22.59 | epsilon2 | NO IDEA, google for benchmark |
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| 16:23.16 | epsilon2 | .oO bad caplock, bad bad |
| 16:23.24 | liable | who are we talking to? another on ignore |
| 16:23.58 | shellito | Hi, time ago a broke (I think) a dpkg process.. now, Im getting this "dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: La declaración `dependtry <= 4' no se cumple." |
| 16:24.07 | hoxu | ma3x, ##hardware |
| 16:24.17 | hoxu | !localized errors |
| 16:24.17 | dpkg | well, localized errors is it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else |
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| 16:25.46 | shellito | I try "dpkg --configure -a".. not luck. |
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| 16:26.52 | wols | shellito: LANG=C apt-get install -f |
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| 16:28.05 | hoxu | dpkg, localized errors is also LANG=C command |
| 16:28.06 | dpkg | hoxu: okay |
| 16:28.18 | poseidon | Under what folder are usb flash drives usually mounted? |
| 16:28.43 | shellito | wols thank you.. but |
| 16:28.43 | hoxu | poseidon, /media/usb* |
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| 16:28.59 | shellito | wols, it doesnt't work (same message) |
| 16:29.37 | hoxu | shellito, how about showing us that message (in english)? |
| 16:29.46 | _ZeuZ_ | how can I resize effectively and easily a reiserfs partition? I've left unallocated space on the disk, still gparted does not allow me to set the size of the partition beyond the original one.. |
| 16:30.52 | wols | !tell shellito about doesn't work |
| 16:30.59 | wols | shellito: we want to SEE the whole output |
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| 16:31.39 | poseidon | What would be the best way about installing the nvidia driver that has support for openGL 3d graphics acceleration? |
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| 16:32.14 | poseidon | I've tried to set it up already using the nvidia one-liner, but that failed miserably. (I rebooted to a black screen). |
| 16:32.19 | _ZeuZ_ | poseidon, downloading the package from nvidias site |
| 16:34.02 | randolf | hey fellas, just got a clean install of debian under vmware and have a couple of quetsions. I installed firefox, but no firefox entry has appeared in applications/internet (running gnome). can start it just fine from command line, but wondered how I can get packages automaticaly added to menus on install |
| 16:34.06 | wols | poseidon: what videochip? |
| 16:34.21 | wols | _ZeuZ_: don't tell people to break their debian |
| 16:34.25 | poseidon | I have a nvidia gforce 8500 gt |
| 16:34.28 | wols | poseidon: ignore _ZeuZ_ |
| 16:34.31 | wols | poseidon: etch? |
| 16:34.35 | poseidon | yes |
| 16:34.45 | wols | you need to backport nvidia drivers from sid |
| 16:34.48 | wols | !tell poseidon about ssb |
| 16:35.06 | wols | randolf: where did you get your firefox? |
| 16:35.21 | mutante | randolf: maybe just didnt see cause its called "Iceweasel" |
| 16:35.32 | wols | mutante: there is a transitional package |
| 16:35.35 | randolf | wols, apt-get install mozilla-firefox (not knew to linux btw, so don't worry bout kid gloves, just new to debian) |
| 16:35.57 | _ZeuZ_ | wols, for PRIVATIVE drivers, nvidia ones are better |
| 16:36.02 | wols | randolf: that one should have set up the menu under "internet" IIRC |
| 16:36.06 | poseidon | google iceweasel |
| 16:36.14 | _ZeuZ_ | wols, and open ones are crappy for hardware accelerated graphic drwaings |
| 16:36.16 | wols | _ZeuZ_: you don't have a clue |
| 16:36.16 | poseidon | Or /query dpkg iceweasel |
| 16:36.31 | randolf | wols, yeah I figured as much, thats why I am here asking. Might be a vmware issue I spose |
| 16:36.32 | wols | _ZeuZ_: we are already talking about the proprietary ones |
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| 16:36.50 | _ZeuZ_ | wols, then why not just take the easy as hell script and package from nvidia? |
| 16:36.50 | wols | randolf: no. menu (the package responsible for the links) doesn't care about VMs |
| 16:36.51 | poseidon | wols, I'm looking to install it so that I can use the ogre3d rendering system (which uses openGL) for game development. |
| 16:37.01 | wols | _ZeuZ_: cause it breaks debian |
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| 16:37.11 | wols | poseidon: and I told you what you should do |
| 16:37.38 | poseidon | wols, ignore _ZeuZ_, :) |
| 16:37.41 | wols | randolf: try the iceweasel package if it's not already installed |
| 16:37.42 | randolf | mutante, I am probably wrong about this, but I thought iceweasel was already on the system when I first booted to it, hence the reason I didn't make the connection |
| 16:37.47 | orzo | hello. I have openwrt with a br-lan inteface setup for my lan. I need help duplicating this setup for debian. I don't know why openwrt is using brctl because the device has only one ethernet port, but so far I have not been able to get the network up in debian |
| 16:37.59 | wols | randolf: dpkg -l |grep iceweasel |
| 16:38.03 | randolf | wols, iceweasel already installed, and appears to be firefox from what I have just seen |
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| 16:38.15 | poseidon | is a much better god. (god of C) :) |
| 16:38.23 | _ZeuZ_ | wols, does NOT and HAS NEVER broke MINE |
| 16:38.27 | wols | randolf: purge it and mozilla and reinstall them |
| 16:38.32 | _ZeuZ_ | not even after using it with kernel 2.6.27git |
| 16:38.42 | randolf | wols, thanks will do |
| 16:39.27 | wols | orzo: what do you want to do? on openwrt hardware they afaik just name their network interfaces thus. not necessarily a bridge. and the device has a ton of interfaces: it's a router and a switch and an AP |
| 16:39.44 | wols | randolf: is this lenny or sid? |
| 16:40.46 | orzo | wols: I have debian booting on the device, but I believe it is failing to bring up the network. On openwrt, brctl show lists the interface br-lan as a bridge |
| 16:41.22 | wols | orzo: ifconfig -a |
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| 16:42.13 | sharp15 | is it possible to do a debian install in ~1.5GB with one of the lightweight wm's (i.e. fluxbox or xfce) ? |
| 16:42.35 | wols | sharp15: easily. you could get away with 500GB. probably less |
| 16:42.40 | orzo | wols: http://rafb.net/p/8jxtiu76.html |
| 16:42.41 | randolf | wols, its actually etch, clean install |
| 16:42.44 | wols | at 1.5 you can use a full gnome-core |
| 16:42.48 | randolf | wols, will be updated to lenny shortly |
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| 16:43.13 | sharp15 | wols: i assume you meant 500MB not 500GB :) |
| 16:43.18 | wols | randolf: so you have at least 3 devices: eth0, eth1 and wlan0 |
| 16:43.25 | wols | sharp15: mea culpa yes |
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| 16:44.21 | poseidon | wols, should I add a source repos for sid even though I'm using etch? |
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| 16:44.27 | poseidon | Thats what dpkg says |
| 16:44.29 | randolf | wols, this aimed at me? I didn't ask for any networking help |
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| 16:44.42 | wols | poseidon: sure. or download nvidia-graphics-drivers from pdo |
| 16:44.54 | wols | randolf: was for orzo |
| 16:44.59 | wols | orzo: so you have at least 3 devices: eth0, eth1 and wlan0 |
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| 16:45.46 | orzo | wols: perhaps, but but the dvice has only one actual physical ethernet port and then a wireless antenna |
| 16:46.18 | orzo | wols: I want to put the ethernet on a network so i can ssh in to debian |
| 16:46.43 | wols | !tell orzo about interfaces |
| 16:46.55 | orzo | wols: I've tried a few different /etc/network/interfaces setups |
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| 16:47.38 | poseidon | wols, would it be best if i downloaded the stable package or the unstable package? |
| 16:49.14 | wols | stable package will not work for your card |
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| 16:49.42 | poseidon | wols, Ok, thanks. that would explain why i've had so many difficulties instlling it :) |
| 16:50.10 | wols | back when etch included the nvidia drivers, your card didn't exist yet so the drivers couldn't support it yet |
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| 16:52.00 | poseidon | wols, so when installing the debia package, should I use the sid/unstable repositories, or will my current etch source/backport repos work? |
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| 16:54.06 | wols | for the LAST time: sid source repos.nothing else |
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| 16:54.17 | wols | any build deps from etch |
| 16:54.30 | wols | you only need nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid. that's all |
| 16:54.45 | Riotblade | Hey, I bought a dedicated server running with RAID 1. How do I know if it's really running under RAID 1? |
| 16:54.46 | poseidon | ok, thanks |
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| 17:02.08 | enouf | wols: did we get any closer to getting the nvidia stuff into lenny yet? (just curious) |
| 17:02.10 | dryrot | Riotblade: if it's hardware RAID, I don't think you'll be able to tell |
| 17:02.50 | enouf | Riotblade: well, softraid will be using mdX devicenames most likely |
| 17:03.16 | dryrot | software raid is for losers |
| 17:03.19 | enouf | fakeraid? look for hints of dmraid, otherwise, not sure how to tell offhand precisely |
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| 17:03.40 | enouf | wets dryrot with a penixsmite |
| 17:03.50 | poseidon | How do I install dependencies for a .deb with dpkg? |
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| 17:04.00 | enouf | poseidon: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:04.07 | dryrot | if he's actually paying for a dedicate server somewhere... i hope they have hardware raid, software raid would be silly |
| 17:04.25 | enouf | not for 2 dollars a month |
| 17:04.40 | dryrot | ok fine. 2 dollars a month, i would accept software raid |
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| 17:04.48 | kanzure | I've been charged with making a screencast. Any recommendations for software? |
| 17:05.10 | kanzure | Also, my microphone configuration doesn't work. Is there any magic configuration setup that I can fix? |
| 17:05.27 | enouf | xvidcap? recordmyDesktop? er, i dunno wtf a screencast is |
| 17:05.41 | kanzure | enouf: just a series of screenshots + voice |
| 17:05.47 | kanzure | ideally showing where you click or what you type in 'realtime' |
| 17:05.57 | enouf | kanzure: maybe even OO.o impress? |
| 17:06.12 | kanzure | enouf: No, I don't think so. The output needs to be mpeg or something. |
| 17:06.15 | dryrot | yeah how do people make those things ? |
| 17:06.50 | enouf | my above makes oggs theora/vorbis |
| 17:06.58 | enouf | IIRC |
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| 17:07.47 | dryrot | like how do they make this: http://del.icio.us/help/video/iebuttons |
| 17:08.33 | dryrot | i have a bunch of extra routes i want to add to my machine. i can put them in /etc/rc.local . is there a more official place to put things like that? |
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| 17:09.10 | poseidon | I am getting the following dependency error, and I don't know hwo to fix it. http://pastebin.com/m6b418310 |
| 17:09.39 | lostbutler | hello folks, i have laptop which has windows on hda1, hda1 is encrypted with pgp desktop software and the mbr is managed by its software, i have installed lenny on an encrypted volume /dev/hda2., i have installed grub to boot from /dev/hda5 which is /boot, now i am looking for ideas on how to get to grub so that i boot lenny, |
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| 17:09.53 | enouf | poseidon: explain exactly what you've done so far |
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| 17:11.14 | vjoe | bye |
| 17:11.24 | poseidon | I've downloaded the nvidia-glx package for sid. I tried dpkg -i nvidia-gl.....deb then it gave me some dependency errors. I then tried to install the dependencies via apt-get. So i tried apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source && dpatch |
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| 17:11.52 | poseidon | (I think it was dpatch first as that was a dependency for nvidia-kernel-source that wasn't being met |
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| 17:12.53 | enouf | poseidon: no, follow the ssb instructs dpkg told you about and advice wols gave you |
| 17:12.57 | hark | you do a backport You can't just install packages meant for sid on etch directly |
| 17:13.54 | orzo | wols: why does my eth0 and eth1 have the same mac address? |
| 17:14.12 | poseidon | Now everytime I try to use apt-get it won't install any dependencies |
| 17:14.13 | defrysk | usually installs the original driver from the nvidia website |
| 17:14.27 | poseidon | defrysk, I was told not to |
| 17:14.36 | orzo | i have a picture of ifconfig -a just before going into debian's init and the only devices at that time are eth0, eth1, and lo |
| 17:14.39 | defrysk | oh sorry then |
| 17:14.41 | hark | you might have to edit the dependencies too in the process... |
| 17:15.42 | enouf | poseidon: did you only add a "deb-src..." line for sid in sources.list? or also a "deb .." line? |
| 17:15.53 | poseidon | Yes, just deb-src |
| 17:16.01 | defrysk | whats wrong with the original driver if i may ask ? |
| 17:16.01 | enouf | poseidon: so .. |
| 17:16.18 | enouf | poseidon: apt-get update |
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| 17:16.28 | enouf | poseidon: apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename |
| 17:17.00 | enouf | packagename is what ? nvidia-graphics-driver ? |
| 17:17.35 | enouf | !info nvidia-graphics-driver sid |
| 17:17.41 | enouf | !info nvidia-graphics-drivers sid |
| 17:17.46 | enouf | grah |
| 17:18.28 | poseidon | "Unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-driver" |
| 17:18.36 | enouf | i know, one moment |
| 17:19.20 | poseidon | Also, I am now unable to install anything I've tried (ie other software such as vlc or mplayer). |
| 17:19.50 | enouf | poseidon: run apt-get -f install |
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| 17:21.09 | poseidon | enouf, ok, now other programs can be installed as well |
| 17:21.39 | poseidon | enouf, are you sure that it's not nvidia-glx |
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| 17:22.23 | enouf | poseidon: no i'm not, i never used them .. it's just, you need to get the correct pkg name .. |
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| 17:23.11 | hark | nvidia-glx is fine |
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| 17:23.50 | enouf | ok, use that as pkgname poseidon |
| 17:24.01 | poseidon | It's downloading it now. |
| 17:24.29 | enouf | poseidon: see, you tried initially installing a pkg built for sid - you are now making your own for Etch using Source |
| 17:24.49 | poseidon | enouf, I the repos thing still confuses me. If it's non-free why would it be in a deb-src repos. (if it's a non-free driver). |
| 17:25.26 | defrysk | its in contrib |
| 17:25.47 | defrysk | oh no its in non-free |
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| 17:26.02 | defrysk | apt-cache policy nvidia-glx |
| 17:26.04 | enouf | where would you expect to find non-free crap? |
| 17:26.22 | poseidon | yes, but I was supposed to change the deb-src to unstable so I could get the correct driver. Does deb-src also have binaries in those repos? |
| 17:26.34 | poseidon | enouf, Not in a source repos. |
| 17:26.43 | defrysk | u need the deb source and deb lines of sid for this |
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| 17:26.53 | enouf | poseidon: no, deb-src is patched debian source |
| 17:27.02 | poseidon | O, k. Thanks |
| 17:27.04 | enouf | defrysk: please .. hang on |
| 17:27.13 | defrysk | hushes |
| 17:27.15 | defrysk | sorry |
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| 17:27.39 | enouf | poseidon: do NOT put "deb ... " lines for sid/unstable in your sources.list |
| 17:27.56 | enouf | poseidon: only deb-src |
| 17:28.13 | poseidon | enouf, I only have deb-src unstable |
| 17:28.28 | enouf | poseidon: the prebuilt binaries are built against certain other versions of pkgs and require THOSE versions as depends |
| 17:28.30 | defrysk | enouf, maybe he needs deps from sid ? or am I wrong in this ? |
| 17:28.44 | enouf | defrysk: no, he doesn't |
| 17:28.47 | defrysk | ok |
| 17:28.55 | poseidon | I've installed it now. |
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| 17:29.21 | enouf | poseidon: you are going to use sid sources + etch depends to make your 'ssb' simple-sid-backport |
| 17:29.22 | poseidon | The only thing is the reboot. When I've used etch nvidia drivers I would reboot into a black screen with no terminal or gui |
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| 17:29.54 | defrysk | poseidon, do you have na "older mvidia card as in legacy ? |
| 17:29.55 | ferret_0567 | can I install Debian Lenny into a certain filesystem by running the installer from a chroot with all the filesystems I want to use for the installation already bind-mounted already? |
| 17:30.05 | enouf | i certainly hope not |
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| 17:30.17 | poseidon | defrysk, no, it's newer so the etch nvidia driver doesn't support it |
| 17:30.29 | defrysk | ok |
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| 17:30.42 | enouf | poseidon: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is information about the diffs |
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| 17:31.24 | enouf | !tell ferret_0567 -about tias |
| 17:31.31 | enouf | !tell ferret_0567 -about debootstrap |
| 17:32.05 | defrysk | whats the policy about envy for etch here? a no no ? |
| 17:32.20 | enouf | defrysk: thanks for hanging back - i don't type fast, and was afraid of more confusion |
| 17:32.39 | enouf | now, what? |
| 17:32.56 | enouf | who's envious? |
| 17:33.14 | defrysk | a nvidia driver installer |
| 17:33.19 | defrysk | for etch |
| 17:33.22 | enouf | oh |
| 17:33.39 | enouf | i don't take sides, and have no opinion as of yet ;-) |
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| 17:34.11 | defrysk | its install nvidia with a gui and usually the latest its not supported by Debian tho afaIk |
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| 17:37.08 | jelly-home | A_? |
| 17:37.14 | enouf | eh? |
| 17:37.42 | peterS | a good start. |
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| 17:39.09 | defrysk | poseidon, are you running a 2.6.25 kernel ? |
| 17:39.13 | stoned | argh! problems with xorg |
| 17:39.16 | enouf | awaits Julie Andrews singing on a meadow |
| 17:39.35 | enouf | defrysk: he's running Etch |
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| 17:39.51 | defrysk | ah yes |
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| 17:39.54 | poseidon | defrysk, I am running etch |
| 17:39.58 | defrysk | sorry |
| 17:40.11 | stoned | doing /etc/init.d/kdm restart and/or alt+ctrl+backspace and/or logout from kmenu (with or without kde) makes the system HANG! completely black screen and no input works |
| 17:40.17 | stoned | I'm on testing |
| 17:40.32 | enouf | stoned: telinit 1 ? |
| 17:40.39 | stoned | no input works. |
| 17:40.41 | jelly-home | enouf: the hills are ALIVE! |
| 17:40.46 | enouf | haha |
| 17:41.53 | poseidon | brb, going to reboot to see if the driver works |
| 17:42.00 | peterrooney | stoned: nohup /etc/init.d/kdm restart ? |
| 17:42.13 | defrysk | reboot ? |
| 17:43.12 | stoned | keyboard == caput, as well as mouse |
| 17:43.19 | stoned | black screen, nothing going |
| 17:43.21 | stoned | :( |
| 17:43.30 | enouf | alt+sysrq ? |
| 17:43.34 | stoned | well yeah but I can't reboto all the time |
| 17:43.39 | stoned | enouf: no dice |
| 17:43.41 | enouf | right |
| 17:44.11 | stoned | and check this |
| 17:44.25 | jelly-home | stoned: alt-sysrq-r, ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 17:44.30 | stoned | if im in X, and I do sudo shutdown -r now or sudo restart w/e same thing, X fucks up |
| 17:44.39 | stoned | jelly-home: neither working |
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| 17:44.50 | jelly-home | stoned: one after the other |
| 17:44.54 | mbroeker | stoned, use the vesa driver in your xorg.conf :) |
| 17:45.00 | stoned | I am using VESA |
| 17:45.02 | AVRS | Hello. Does GNU Solfege (solfege) in lenny/sid work? |
| 17:45.03 | jelly-home | stoned: use a supported card :-P |
| 17:45.09 | stoned | x1900xt :) |
| 17:45.11 | stoned | r500 ati |
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| 17:45.16 | stoned | it used to work fine |
| 17:45.56 | ardya | hi folks...anyone recall the previous DPI setting lenny used before the recent xorg update? |
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| 17:47.26 | jelly-home | ardya: no, but try 75, 100 or 96 |
| 17:48.09 | defrysk | 96 is pretty common |
| 17:48.10 | stoned | im afraid to do so |
| 17:48.29 | stoned | I have to manually cold reboot and then of course it starts to scan fsck |
| 17:48.30 | stoned | fucker |
| 17:48.33 | jelly-home | both of my outputs are really 96dpi |
| 17:48.40 | ardya | I set it to 100, looks close to what it was before |
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| 17:48.55 | jelly-home | stoned: log in via ssh and reboot |
| 17:49.09 | stoned | I'm in the machine right now |
| 17:49.13 | stew | ardya: probably the 'correct' fix is to add a DisplaySize to your xorg.conf and let the xserver calculate DPI based on resolution (man xorg.conf) |
| 17:49.17 | ardya | ok thanks for the input guys, keep up the good work! |
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| 17:49.28 | stoned | I have rebooted and im in X again and imtrying to fix my resolution for which i need to restart X a few times to test driver optinos etcn |
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| 17:49.42 | jelly-home | stoned: so where does the cold reboot come into play? |
| 17:49.55 | stoned | thats how i rebooted |
| 17:50.00 | stoned | there was no other optin |
| 17:50.13 | defrysk | stoned, ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 17:50.17 | stoned | and if i restart X or try to, it will fuck up again, and I'll have to restart again |
| 17:50.18 | jelly-home | stoned: you couldn't ping your machine? |
| 17:50.19 | defrysk | did not work ? |
| 17:50.20 | stoned | defrysk: no input works |
| 17:50.24 | defrysk | ok |
| 17:50.27 | stoned | when X crashes, it killsmy input too |
| 17:50.30 | stoned | total system hang |
| 17:50.43 | stoned | the lights on the keyboard don't even come on when i hit the buttons |
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| 17:51.04 | jelly-home | stoned: you couldn't ping your machine? |
| 17:51.09 | stoned | sure |
| 17:51.12 | stoned | check. |
| 17:51.26 | jelly-home | stoned: you couldn't ssh into it and reboot cleanly? |
| 17:51.35 | stoned | yup its good i can pinng it |
| 17:51.46 | valdyn | stoned: why cant you use xrandr to test resolutions? |
| 17:51.54 | stoned | oh i can? |
| 17:51.59 | stoned | i didn't even think about it doh |
| 17:52.08 | valdyn | stoned: --newmode |
| 17:52.32 | stoned | valdyn: thanks |
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| 17:52.40 | valdyn | stoned: or xvidtune to play with specific modes |
| 17:52.43 | stoned | valdyn: I'm basically trying to get 1680x1050 :) |
| 17:52.57 | stoned | valdyn: ok, that sounds better, but I would like to figure out why X is doing this to me |
| 17:53.00 | poseidon | enouf, I had to change back to the vesa driver to get kde to wrk |
| 17:53.03 | poseidon | *work |
| 17:53.10 | stoned | and its a recent thing, so I'm guessing its a bug |
| 17:53.15 | stoned | I have yet to look it up |
| 17:53.21 | jelly-home | stoned: fglrx or free driver? |
| 17:53.22 | valdyn | stoned: xrandr to set the mode, xvidtune to do minor adjustments to the same mode |
| 17:53.26 | stoned | VESA at |
| 17:53.28 | stoned | m |
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| 17:53.35 | valdyn | stoned: though on a modern display xvidtune shouldnt be necessary |
| 17:53.46 | valdyn | stoned: 1680x1050 is not a vesa mode |
| 17:53.50 | stoned | jelly-home: I would like to try radeonhd |
| 17:53.56 | jelly-home | won't be able to accomplish much with vesa, I'm afraid |
| 17:53.57 | stoned | valdyn: ah no wonder |
| 17:54.04 | stoned | I did not know that |
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| 17:54.12 | enouf | poseidon: so, was nvidia kernel module loaded? lsmod? |
| 17:54.39 | enouf | poseidon: and what about drxx ? "/msg dpkg drxx" |
| 17:54.42 | jelly-home | stoned: ask the debian-x people whether they have a newer radeon driver; maybe there's one in experimental |
| 17:54.44 | stoned | so I can either use fglrx, or VESA with horrible res, or radeonhd |
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| 17:54.54 | stoned | jelly-home: ok |
| 17:55.09 | stoned | though #radeon says i have to use mesa+x+radeonhd from upstream git |
| 17:55.17 | stoned | the new stuff has the 3d and 2d support |
| 17:55.22 | stoned | at least for r500 |
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| 17:55.31 | poseidon | enouf, I don't see either |
| 17:55.36 | wols | yes. that or fglrx |
| 17:55.56 | enouf | poseidon: well, in drxx is 'nvidia' available? |
| 17:56.09 | wols | poseidon: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 17:57.11 | enouf | wols: i'd prefer if you take over now, suppossedly poseidon did complete the ssb correctly and using nvidia-glx as pkgname |
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| 17:58.04 | wols | enouf: probably not enough. and last I remember there is a gotcha where packages wouldn't install because it wants libc6 from sid by default (etch libc6 works, but isn't specified) |
| 17:58.47 | enouf | wols: he ran into that initially from trying to dpkg -i nvidia-glx pkg he got directly from pdo |
| 17:59.17 | poseidon | wols, http://pastebin.com/m68ab60ab is the output I got |
| 17:59.36 | wols | that of course won't work at all. I gave him the package name, nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 17:59.43 | wols | first uninstall those packages. purge them |
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| 17:59.48 | enouf | but apt-get -f install fixed it up a bit .. unless it's still installed? .. well,. here's teh paste http://pastebin.com/m6b418310 |
| 18:00.02 | wols | then install the nvidia-graphics-drivers source (from contrib or non-free sid) |
| 18:00.06 | enouf | wols: i looked and saw no pkg by that name |
| 18:00.15 | wols | enouf: theris |
| 18:00.41 | poseidon | wols, apt couldn't find the package, so I figured that you were just using it a term not a package. |
| 18:00.43 | enouf | oh.. so !info won't find src .. ffs |
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| 18:01.20 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 18:01.34 | poseidon | k, so I'll purge nvidia-glx |
| 18:01.39 | wols | apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 18:02.40 | poseidon | wols, purge gives me an command not found |
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| 18:03.05 | wols | the apt-get purge command. purge is not its own binary |
| 18:03.10 | defrysk | apt-get remove foo --purge |
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| 18:03.39 | _apk | hi :) |
| 18:04.15 | _apk | I'm using as repository for debian etch ftp.it.debian.org, but I cannot find this package: http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wine/libwine_1.0-rc1-1_i386.deb |
| 18:04.32 | _apk | is it a problem of the italian repository? |
| 18:04.37 | maligor | etch wouldn't have it |
| 18:04.53 | poseidon | wols, ok. I have gotten the nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 18:05.07 | maligor | _apk: stable means that no new versions are added except for security updates |
| 18:05.11 | wols | go into the source direcotry then ther into debian/ |
| 18:05.42 | wols | !tell _apk about backports |
| 18:05.44 | _apk | sorry maligor...I'm using lenny not etch |
| 18:06.06 | _apk | trying with wget gives me a 404 |
| 18:06.24 | wols | _apk: winehq.org has debs. but those aren't supported here |
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| 18:06.35 | hark | wols: why not just build nvidia-glx? |
| 18:06.40 | maligor | _apk, rc2 isn't suitable? |
| 18:06.49 | defrysk | _apk, try http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wine/libwine_1.0-rc2-1_i386.deb |
| 18:06.53 | wols | hark: that's what we are trying to do |
| 18:06.55 | _apk | oh :) |
| 18:07.04 | _apk | I was just using apt-get install wine |
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| 18:07.07 | poseidon | wols, I am now inside the debian directory |
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| 18:07.12 | defrysk | _apk, and have a look at http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wine/ |
| 18:07.20 | wols | poseidon: grep -r 2.7-1 * |
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| 18:07.37 | wols | pastebin the result |
| 18:07.47 | _apk | thank you very much defrysk :) |
| 18:07.57 | hark | wols: he did that (i think) |
| 18:08.01 | maligor | _apk, well, it's also possible that sometimes mirrors end up in unreliable states |
| 18:08.04 | wols | did what? |
| 18:08.14 | poseidon | wols, --> http://pastebin.com/d15b37d1d |
| 18:08.22 | hark | backported nvidia-glx |
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| 18:08.55 | wols | hark: it will not run and no he did not |
| 18:09.04 | poseidon | wols, I already tried to install nvidia-glx |
| 18:09.55 | wols | but you also purged it. and all those .so's in this pastbin, I don't like one bit. this is source! |
| 18:10.06 | wols | getting the source package myself |
| 18:10.29 | micols | anyone running with a stable dist and want to play typespeed?:) |
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| 18:10.47 | micols | unix commands head to head |
| 18:11.24 | wols | micols: do you have a debian related support question? |
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| 18:12.20 | wols | poseidon: try "grep -r -i libc6 *" in there |
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| 18:13.54 | poseidon | wols, --> http://pastebin.com/d3b940a8b |
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| 18:14.23 | wols | !info libc6 etch |
| 18:14.25 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 4592 kB, Installed size: 11036 kB |
| 18:15.00 | wols | poseidon: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:15.31 | poseidon | wols, "ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 18:15.46 | wols | guess they sorta fixed it by only needeing libc 2.3.6 now |
| 18:15.56 | wols | ok, run "dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 18:16.30 | poseidon | wols, "dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package i" |
| 18:16.45 | wols | go one dir up |
| 18:16.47 | wols | then do it again |
| 18:16.59 | wols | until it can determine source package :) |
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| 18:17.01 | poseidon | wols, working now |
| 18:17.16 | wols | two outcomes: either an error, or a few new packages in .. |
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| 18:17.36 | wols | nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source and one or two others. all .debs you all install them with dpkg -i |
| 18:17.48 | wols | then /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:17.55 | _eskimo | hi |
| 18:18.06 | hramrach | lo |
| 18:18.14 | enouf | wols: you mean; --> libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) <--from his paste? as a Depends? |
| 18:18.20 | wols | basically ou make the kernel driver with m-a and install it and then load the kernel driver (/etc/modules for example) and dpkg-reconfigure X |
| 18:18.47 | wols | enouf: formerly it was some 2.7-1 version. see http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 18:19.00 | enouf | wols: righto - caught that |
| 18:19.00 | wols | !depends nvidia-glx |
| 18:19.02 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-169.12, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-21), libx11-6, libxext6, xlibmesa-gl | libgl1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 18:19.06 | wols | see this? |
| 18:19.39 | enouf | yep |
| 18:19.42 | wols | may nvidia sources has NO libc6 dependency and his has some 2.3.6 but still not etch (I just hope and pray) |
| 18:19.46 | HopsNBarley | are are "restricted" compenents in the sources.list??? |
| 18:19.48 | wols | something is VERY screwy here |
| 18:19.49 | HopsNBarley | what are... |
| 18:20.09 | wols | HopsNBarley: /msg dpkg contrib /msg dpkg non-fre |
| 18:20.10 | wols | HopsNBarley: /msg dpkg contrib /msg dpkg non-free |
| 18:20.56 | hramrach | wols: shouldn't nvidia-glx depend on the libc agains which it was built? |
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| 18:21.05 | wols | hramrach: no |
| 18:21.07 | stoned | great, fglrx doesn't build |
| 18:21.11 | stoned | argh. |
| 18:21.22 | hramrach | that's why I don't use it |
| 18:21.22 | wols | there must be a minimum or some bozo would try to compile it in slink I am sure |
| 18:21.50 | hramrach | yes, but when you buid aganst a later one the minimum doe not suffice anymore |
| 18:21.56 | wols | problem is etch needs this nvidia drivers version for some cards to work but etch doesn't have libc6 2.7 |
| 18:22.26 | wols | even when nvidia themselves have it work perfectly fine on a 2.3 libc6 |
| 18:23.02 | hramrach | yes, so they build-depand on 2.3.6 and the binary depends on wheteber is in testin, there's nothing wrong |
| 18:23.03 | wols | maintainers simply did what you advocate: they used the current sid libc6 as dependency. which is bad. it was the libc6 on their system |
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| 18:23.28 | stoned | !dbugs 418338 |
| 18:23.31 | dpkg | #418338:I[fglrx-driver] fglrx-driver: Xorg crashes when shutting down; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 06:30:01 UTC |
| 18:23.41 | stoned | and of coruse more of the ones that where it doesn't build |
| 18:23.42 | wols | stoned: a year old bug? |
| 18:23.44 | stoned | argh |
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| 18:23.49 | stoned | wols: that one still persists |
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| 18:23.57 | wols | yay fglrx |
| 18:24.14 | Posterdati | hi |
| 18:24.30 | wols | poseidon: how far along is it? |
| 18:24.48 | Posterdati | please I got a problem with lenny and cups: cannot install an usb printer via control center nor 127.0.0.1:631 :( |
| 18:25.00 | wols | poseidon: more info needed |
| 18:25.13 | stoned | fuck it i'll go with radeon and see how that works |
| 18:25.15 | stoned | radeonhd* |
| 18:25.23 | wols | stoned: cvs software :) |
| 18:25.50 | hramrach | well, fglrx fells like cvs software anyway so there's not much change |
| 18:26.02 | hramrach | feels |
| 18:26.03 | wols | don't insult cvs software :P |
| 18:26.48 | HopsNBarley | wols, dpkg don't know about main or restricted. |
| 18:26.51 | hramrach | sorry, cvs software is at least fixable |
| 18:26.59 | wols | HopsNBarley: I told you what to do |
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| 18:27.04 | wols | "main" is debian |
| 18:27.28 | wols | and there is no "restricted" whatsoever in debian. It's not ubuntu here |
| 18:27.48 | HopsNBarley | wols, thanks! That is probably the issue here. sorry to bother. |
| 18:28.11 | wols | no, the issue is you don't read what I said. scroll up and do it now |
| 18:28.56 | enouf | wols: IINM, hramrach is saying the source pkg you had poseidon d/l (nvidia-graphics-drivers) has as it's depends on libc6 2.3.6-6 to build the resultant 4 pkgs; (nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, nvidia-glx-ia32, and nvidia-kernel-source) as shown at http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/x11/nvidia-graphics-drivers , but the precompiled binaries are using libc6 2.7.1-x (ok, correct me - something, if not all must be wrong, eh?) |
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| 18:29.42 | HopsNBarley | i did it - i doesn't know about "restricted" - and now i understand why. i said thanks, jeez... |
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| 18:30.19 | wols | there he is right I guess. when I did use those drivers myself (I have a 8600gt and a custom kernel) I needed to adjust a control file that was fed through configure or the resulting package would always have a 2.7 dependency |
| 18:30.24 | wols | which is why I always check |
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| 18:30.38 | wols | but it might have been 169.xx where xx is < 10 |
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| 18:31.01 | {dada} | hi |
| 18:31.04 | wols | it was in the nvidia-glx config |
| 18:31.27 | Tapout | where are the 'status' columns listed for aptitude? I do; aptitude search mysql-server and i see .. 'c' and 'v' and so on.. I don't see them mentioned in man aptitude |
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| 18:31.37 | poseidon | wols, sorry I have to go watch the kids. I will post the output to pastebin before I go though. |
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| 18:31.57 | {dada} | I'm searching for a graphical cd/dvd burner with no gnome/kde dependencies. Someone can help me ? |
| 18:32.04 | wols | !tell poseidon about nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:32.12 | Tapout | nevermind i found it |
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| 18:32.18 | wols | after installation with dpkg -i of the resulting package this is bascially what you have to do |
| 18:32.20 | Tapout | i had to export LANG=POSIX to see it :) |
| 18:32.28 | wols | {dada}: xcdroast |
| 18:32.33 | localshot | I need a vpn solution, suggestions are welcome |
| 18:32.42 | wols | openvpn |
| 18:32.51 | localshot | ok thanks |
| 18:32.59 | {dada} | wols, thanx |
| 18:33.07 | poseidon | wols, http://pastebin.com/d513f3481 |
| 18:34.21 | {dada} | o.O |
| 18:34.22 | wols | Posterdati: install http://pastebin.com/d513f3481 |
| 18:34.22 | wols | Posterdati: dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_169.12-4_i386.deb |
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| 18:34.23 | Posterdati | wols: ? |
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| 18:34.30 | wols | damn he's gone. was for poseidon |
| 18:34.35 | Posterdati | ah ok |
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| 18:41.23 | unixSnob | Upon running iwconfig, i see "access point: invalid" (as expected). Then I run "wconfig eth1 ap xx:xx:xx:xx:xx". It takes it.. but only for a few seconds. I run iwconfig immediately, and see the mac address next to the 'access point' field... then run iwconfig a couple more times, and suddenly it goes back to 'invalid' What does that mean? |
| 18:43.16 | PiousMinion | I'd guess it's trying, but fails. |
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| 18:43.16 | larsl | Hello, I'm trying to build a kernel package using 'fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image' - it aborts when writing the package file and says |
| 18:43.16 | larsl | dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip error: read(4096) != write(0): No space left on device |
| 18:43.16 | larsl | dpkg-deb: subprocess <compress> from tar -cf returned error exit status 2 |
| 18:43.16 | larsl | I have plenty of space on the filesystem I'm building the package on. |
| 18:43.16 | larsl | Any idea what it's writing to? |
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| 18:43.32 | Tapout | how do you find that .. 'what provides : libstdc++.so.5' <-- that |
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| 18:43.56 | wols | Tapout: huh? |
| 18:43.58 | pipeline | Tapout: apt-cache search libstdc++ |
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| 18:44.12 | pipeline | Tapout: You need the old version 5 library.. It's still in modern debian, IIRC |
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| 18:44.24 | wols | Tapout: you have a file on disk and want to know which package it belongs to? |
| 18:45.04 | pipeline | unixSnob: It's not a good idea to try to set your access point explicitly. |
| 18:45.17 | pipeline | unixSnob: set your ESSID and let the driver/card work it out. |
| 18:45.38 | Tapout | wols, nah.. i remember there was a way to say 'hey aptitude, tell me what package will provide this file : libstdc++.so.5' |
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| 18:45.47 | Tapout | pipeline gave it to me, thanks |
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| 18:46.07 | wols | !tell Tapout about search |
| 18:46.15 | wols | and only apt-file or pdo could do it |
| 18:46.44 | jelly-home | or /msg dpkg find /libstdc++.so.5 |
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| 18:46.53 | unixSnob | pipeline: thanks -- I wasn't sure if these tools were good enough to handle that. I do in fact have the essid field set |
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| 18:46.56 | pipeline | in this case it's not really about the missing file |
| 18:46.58 | Tapout | someone is jumping on the bots commands --> [12:46] <vickybot> wols wants me to tell you: about search |
| 18:47.11 | pipeline | unixSnob: Yeah. Don't explicitly set your AP. If it can't associate with just the ESSID to work from, setting the AP won't help. |
| 18:47.17 | Tapout | wols, when you did that i got 2 messages, one from the legitimate bot.. one from vickybot |
| 18:47.18 | jelly-home | vickybot: who owns you |
| 18:47.33 | pipeline | unixSnob: the only reason you would ever want to set the AP is if you were constantly blinking back and forth between them and this was a permanent installation, I think. |
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| 18:50.14 | PiousMinion | hooray for netsplits |
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| 18:50.55 | shingouz | PiousMinion: yeah, cuts down on the traffic so we have more time to slack off :p |
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| 18:51.04 | PiousMinion | hehe |
| 18:51.15 | calbasi | hello... |
| 18:51.37 | hoxu | !flw |
| 18:51.47 | calbasi | I wonder if is it possible to pass from a ubuntu to a debian.... |
| 18:51.52 | hoxu | dpkg, ping |
| 18:51.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:51.54 | shingouz | looks like it is time for me to go slack off in the shower for a few minutes, then off to slack off at $ORK again |
| 18:51.59 | calbasi | like from a stable to testing, for example |
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| 18:52.06 | calbasi | with dist-upgrade, etc |
| 18:52.11 | hoxu | ok, someone broke flw |
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| 18:52.25 | shingouz | calbasi: yes with a reinstall. ubuntu installs are not convertible to real debian |
| 18:52.44 | jelly-home | "real debian"? |
| 18:53.02 | hoxu | jelly-home, yeah, debian is the real thing |
| 18:53.03 | shingouz | jelly-home: as in something with no bling scripts |
| 18:53.08 | calbasi | ok, reinstall is an option, but I wonder if is there a more "sweet" option... |
| 18:53.30 | jelly-home | hoxu: as if ubuntu doesn't stand on its own! |
| 18:53.30 | hoxu | uh, dpkg is really slow |
| 18:53.37 | shingouz | calbasi: there is not, sorry |
| 18:53.46 | hoxu | jelly-home, well, does it? ;) |
| 18:53.50 | calbasi | thanks, it's a pity :-) |
| 18:53.51 | ansu | Debian etch netinstall DVD can't detect DVD drive even though it boots from same DVD |
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| 18:53.54 | jelly-home | hoxu: it does |
| 18:54.03 | claint | calbasi : one of my friends tried to see if it worked. from ubuntu to debian |
| 18:54.11 | hoxu | tickles jelly-home with a feather |
| 18:54.14 | ansu | any idea, it can't mount the dvd |
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| 18:54.18 | calbasi | and? |
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| 18:54.35 | hoxu | calbasi, make a clean install |
| 18:54.37 | calbasi | did it work, Claint? |
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| 18:55.06 | hoxu | !distro timeline |
| 18:55.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, distro timeline is at http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt76.png - nice graph of debian-based distros and others |
| 18:55.11 | jelly-home | calbasi: you won't get support for such a system from anyone, so don't do it |
| 18:55.16 | hoxu | ^ I guess real debian refers to the line where everything forks off from ;) |
| 18:55.22 | shingouz | claint: calbasi it can almost be done but the final system is not ubuntu or debian. impossible to support in either channel. so many of the scripts and configs are too much different |
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| 18:55.23 | ansu | anyone has problems with Debian netinst CD on Intel COre 2 Duo |
| 18:55.24 | ansu | ? |
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| 18:55.52 | claint | calbasi : he edited buncha scripts, he is sitting next to me right now, he says apt couldn't update itself..... then he edited all the python scripts and whatever.... anyway, he reinstalled |
| 18:55.59 | jelly-home | ansu: what sort of problems? |
| 18:56.02 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:56.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:56.13 | hoxu | calbasi, best thing you can do is make a backup of /etc and *consult* the files in there later if you need to check something, after a fresh install |
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| 18:56.21 | icecubex132Q8_ | hello i need some help please with pci to rs232 |
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| 18:56.28 | calbasi | thanks claint, but then I suppose it's better a clean install :-) |
| 18:56.42 | ansu | jelly-home: netinst CD boots fine, asks me for country and keyboard and then quits that it can't find a common CD-ROM :( |
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| 18:56.45 | claint | calbasi : that would be the sane option, yes |
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| 18:57.06 | shingouz | calbasi: of course you should back up your home too.... *consult* the configs and use the downloads and other stuff |
| 18:57.24 | ansu | jelly-home: it boots from the same drive and then it says it can't. I don't understand it :-\ |
| 18:57.29 | hoxu | stricly offtopic, but anyone notice problems with vanilla kernel 2.6.25.5 and nvidia 173.14.05 (newest), like crashing X etc? |
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| 18:57.38 | calbasi | ok, thanks a lot... |
| 18:58.03 | shingouz | calbasi: don't worry though, installing a fresh debian is not difficult |
| 18:58.08 | icecubex132Q8_ | any help ? |
| 18:58.39 | calbasi | and another question, if ubuntu is based in debian, how is it possible that hardware recognition give different responses/results? |
| 18:58.48 | jelly-home | !debian install can't find cdrom |
| 18:58.48 | dpkg | try adding the option irqpoll to the d-i boot line |
| 18:59.07 | jelly-home | ansu: try what dpkg said above |
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| 18:59.30 | calbasi | No, for me a debian fresh install is no t a problem... I have two computers with debian 3-5 years ago... |
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| 18:59.52 | icecubex132Q8_ | help with rs232 please |
| 18:59.53 | ansu | jelly-home: it is Intel Core 2 Quad processor wit INtel DG33FB motherboard along with SATA Seagate |
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| 18:59.59 | hoxu | !tell icecubex132Q8_ about sicco |
| 19:00.01 | shingouz | calbasi: it is possible that you do not get instalt recognition on some exotic stuff. on the other hand, the debian install does not do stupid things automagically |
| 19:00.04 | calbasi | but hardware recognition makes me migrate to ubuntu 2 of my 3 computers... |
| 19:00.10 | ansu | jelly-home: okay, I will try and come back to you if I have problems :) |
| 19:00.14 | samantha-- | is there a utility that will create a winamp playlist of everything in a directory, in alphabetical order? |
| 19:00.26 | samantha-- | like, many directories at a time? |
| 19:00.40 | jelly-home | ansu: hmph. if I had such an issue, I'd try an image with updated kernel from /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:00.42 | calbasi | but I don't like the bug politycs in ubuntu! I prefer a testing... but hardware recognition is usually a problem... |
| 19:00.57 | shingouz | calbasi: besides, you only need to do the recognition one time and that is when you install the hardware. after that all non-hotpluggable stuff can be statically configured |
| 19:01.02 | hoxu | apt_, ping |
| 19:01.19 | icecubex132Q8_ | hoxu: how to install pci to rs232 card |
| 19:01.19 | ansu | jelly-homeL: Oh.. now what is /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:01.45 | jelly-home | ansu: type it in your irc client, dpkg bot will send you a private message |
| 19:02.02 | jelly-home | ansu: a link to netinst iso image with newer kernels |
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| 19:02.11 | calbasi | thanks a lot, guys! and regards! |
| 19:02.12 | shingouz | calbasi: also, if you back up your /etc you can consult the ubuntu configs on how to configure the stuff on debian. NOT use the same configs but use them as a serious information source |
| 19:02.24 | hoxu | dpkg and apt_ are slow as heck, are there any other backups? |
| 19:02.27 | dpkg | okay, hoxu |
| 19:02.30 | hoxu | argh |
| 19:02.45 | jelly-home | !forget and apt_ |
| 19:02.57 | hoxu | jelly-home, did /msg already... it's sloooow |
| 19:03.09 | jelly-home | !test |
| 19:03.17 | hoxu | that isn't helping ;) |
| 19:03.21 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 19:03.40 | calbasi | ok, I've try to debianize my two ubuntus :-) |
| 19:03.44 | dpkg | jelly-home: i didn't have anything called 'and apt_' to forget |
| 19:03.44 | maligor | heh |
| 19:03.47 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 19:04.02 | jelly-home | hoxu: you can always install blootbot/infobot, fetch the mysql dump and run your own |
| 19:04.03 | icecubex132Q8_ | man no one in #debian ,#fedora or #ubuntu can answer my Q? i dont wanna switch back to windows |
| 19:04.47 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, depends on the card I gues |
| 19:05.00 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, if it's supported the default kernel should in most cases autodetect it |
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| 19:05.15 | ansu | jelly-home: dpkg gave a web-page with quite latest kernels but they are not on the netinstall CD. So what sue ? |
| 19:05.18 | ansu | use* |
| 19:05.22 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: it says supported by linux |
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| 19:05.26 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew). I can be addressed with '&' |
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| 19:05.43 | jelly-home | ansu: there are .iso images with updated kernels there! |
| 19:06.03 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, are you sure it isn't working already then? |
| 19:06.26 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: no im not sure ,how to tell if the card is working |
| 19:06.29 | enouf | ansu: try passing it "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" at boot prompt |
| 19:06.55 | enouf | ansu: oh, if you're onto kmuto, then forget what i said |
| 19:07.11 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: or how to make the kernel detect the card? |
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| 19:07.24 | jelly-home | icecubex132Q8_: check for additional ttyS being mentioned in dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log) |
| 19:07.31 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, UARTs are set to /dev/ttyS0 -> ttyS191 |
| 19:07.31 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, if you have udev, I guess you can just do ls /dev/ttyS and count them :P |
| 19:07.31 | maligor | err, ls /dev/ttyS* |
| 19:08.03 | maligor | pci devices should more or less be autodetected |
| 19:08.11 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: i checked few min ago no omore ttys have been added |
| 19:08.35 | Juventino | guys, any tried Intel graphics chipset with etch or etchnhalf? |
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| 19:08.49 | lenin | hello |
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| 19:09.15 | maligor | did you check with a capital S? |
| 19:09.15 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, do you know what chipset it uses? |
| 19:09.18 | enouf | Juventino: which one? |
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| 19:09.24 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS1/dev/ttyS2 /dev/ttyS3 |
| 19:09.26 | jelly-home | icecubex132Q8_: Which debian release are you using? pastebin output of dmesg and lspci |
| 19:09.26 | ansu | jelly-home: thanks man :) |
| 19:09.31 | Juventino | enouf Intel 945 |
| 19:09.34 | icecubex132Q8_ | the same after installing the card |
| 19:09.48 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: it says moschip |
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| 19:11.01 | ansu | jelly-home: okay, kmuto has 250 MB image, thats same as netinstall ? |
| 19:11.01 | Juventino | when i do glxinfo, it get that error: libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument) |
| 19:11.10 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: http://pastebin.com/m2b51c44 |
| 19:11.23 | jelly-home | ansu: yeah, that's netinstall with a newer kernel |
| 19:11.24 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, you have 4 serials? |
| 19:11.24 | enouf | wow, laggggg |
| 19:11.45 | enouf | hoxu: ? |
| 19:11.48 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: no only one in motherboard |
| 19:11.50 | Juventino | any idea guys? :s |
| 19:11.53 | hoxu | enouf, just checking :p |
| 19:11.54 | ansu | jelly-home: thanks a lot friend. I did not even knw this fact, though I used Debian for 1 year :( |
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| 19:12.00 | enouf | hoxu: :-p |
| 19:12.00 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, so the 3 others are the pci card? |
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| 19:12.03 | hoxu | enouf, I wonder if the bots being slow is freenode problem or what |
| 19:12.14 | enouf | Juventino: hrm .. using "intel" driveer? |
| 19:12.19 | ansu | jelly-home: anyway, I wil log-off now and check the installer with options again , okay.. bye.... |
| 19:12.23 | ansu | I will be back :) |
| 19:12.25 | Juventino | enouf yes |
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| 19:12.29 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, what's that log from? dmesg? |
| 19:12.32 | enouf | hoxu: it's like there's sporadic backup, then wham |
| 19:12.35 | jetscreamer | lets test |
| 19:12.41 | jetscreamer | &insult hoxu |
| 19:12.41 | bottu | hoxu - You are nothing but a warped enema-bucketful of industrial heads. |
| 19:12.44 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: http://pastebin.com/m369bad8 |
| 19:12.46 | jelly-home | !test |
| 19:12.46 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:12.51 | jetscreamer | your call |
| 19:12.52 | jelly-home | it's not slow. |
| 19:13.10 | jelly-home | %test |
| 19:13.14 | enouf | Juventino: dpkg -l libgl-mesa* <-- pastebin |
| 19:13.25 | jelly-home | what's apt's call sign? |
| 19:13.31 | enouf | @hola |
| 19:13.35 | jetscreamer | ~ |
| 19:13.38 | enouf | oh wait |
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| 19:13.41 | jelly-home | ~what |
| 19:13.43 | aptitude | This! |
| 19:13.43 | jetscreamer | ~test |
| 19:13.44 | apt | Failed! |
| 19:13.44 | enouf | that's ravenbird? |
| 19:13.44 | aptitude | Test Failed. |
| 19:13.51 | enouf | aptitude: is & |
| 19:13.51 | hoxu | enouf, not here |
| 19:14.00 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, lspci doesn't show it? |
| 19:14.00 | jelly-home | aptitude: who owns you |
| 19:14.00 | aptitude | dondelelcaro does |
| 19:14.03 | Juventino | enouf package not found, i guess it's called libgl1-mesa* |
| 19:14.07 | jetscreamer | aptitude better not be & |
| 19:14.08 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:14.12 | enouf | Juventino: ok .. duh ;-) |
| 19:14.19 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: ... |
| 19:14.30 | enouf | jetscreamer: <aptitude> Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew). I can be addressed with '&' |
| 19:14.39 | jelly-home | &test |
| 19:14.39 | aptitude | Test Failed. |
| 19:14.41 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: you mean the pci card |
| 19:14.42 | jelly-home | ~test |
| 19:14.43 | apt | Failed! |
| 19:14.45 | jetscreamer | bottu had it first |
| 19:14.46 | bottu | jetscreamer: Error: "had" is not a valid command. |
| 19:14.49 | jelly-home | good. |
| 19:14.52 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 19:14.57 | jetscreamer | &lobotomize |
| 19:14.59 | bottu | jetscreamer: Error: "lobotomize" is not a valid command. |
| 19:15.01 | jelly-home | bottu: what are you |
| 19:15.03 | jetscreamer | &part |
| 19:15.04 | aptitude | methinks part is a win32 partition editor and the homepage at http://www.ranish.com/part/ |
| 19:15.04 | *** part/#debian bottu (n=bottu@64.187.106.77) |
| 19:15.09 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, yes, that second pastebin paste you pasted doesn't list any cards that look like rs232 |
| 19:15.10 | jetscreamer | supybot |
| 19:15.17 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: it sucks. |
| 19:15.27 | Daviey | jelly-home: it's infobot isn't it? |
| 19:15.30 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: cause i pull the card out |
| 19:15.30 | jetscreamer | it does it's job well and doesn't crash |
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| 19:15.54 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: ill but it back now |
| 19:15.54 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, I guess the first one was errors it gives when it's inside? |
| 19:16.04 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: yeah, I see :-> |
| 19:16.10 | jetscreamer | &uptime |
| 19:16.31 | jelly-home | &find /libstdc++.so.5 |
| 19:16.40 | Juventino | enouf http://www.pastebin.ca/1041444 |
| 19:16.57 | lenin | ./join debian.pl |
| 19:17.04 | jetscreamer | &lobotomy |
| 19:17.04 | aptitude | your wish is my command, jetscreamer |
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| 19:17.36 | enouf | Juventino: crap - do; COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l libgl-mesa* <-- pastebin |
| 19:17.41 | bottu | jetscreamer: I have been running for 10 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds. |
| 19:17.42 | bottu | jetscreamer: Error: "lobotomy" is not a valid command. |
| 19:17.52 | jetscreamer | &part |
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| 19:17.52 | aptitude | part is probably a win32 partition editor and the homepage at http://www.ranish.com/part/ |
| 19:17.59 | enouf | Juventino: bah add the 1 in there |
| 19:18.01 | enouf | sorry |
| 19:18.41 | Juventino | enouf come again?? |
| 19:18.55 | jetscreamer | kinky |
| 19:19.02 | enouf | Juventino: the names are chopped off / truncated |
| 19:19.21 | enouf | Juventino: do; COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l libgl1-mesa* |
| 19:19.46 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: http://pastebin.com/m7b4ff0f2 |
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| 19:20.01 | aptitude | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
| 19:20.06 | Juventino | enouf http://www.pastebin.ca/1041451 |
| 19:20.12 | jetscreamer | !welcome gravity |
| 19:20.15 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 19:20.18 | gravity | heh |
| 19:20.28 | gravity | Thanks |
| 19:21.10 | enouf | Juventino: ok, you have the correct pkgs installed, AFAICT .. now are you also trying to use intelfb? or any i810fb? for console? |
| 19:21.24 | enouf | Juventino: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 19:21.33 | jetscreamer | don't you need the dri module loaded for the intel xorg stuff? |
| 19:21.43 | jelly-home | you do. |
| 19:21.45 | enouf | oooo .. we have an X Striker in da ouse! |
| 19:21.51 | gravity | uh oh |
| 19:21.55 | jetscreamer | s/an/The/ |
| 19:21.55 | enouf | :-P |
| 19:22.00 | Juventino | enouf root=/dev/sda6 ro |
| 19:22.10 | jelly-home | I thought you were taking a sabbatical, gravity |
| 19:22.14 | enouf | Juventino: ok .. one sec |
| 19:22.14 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 19:22.15 | dpkg | well, uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 19:22.30 | gravity | jelly-home: I am pretty much. I'm on official vacation from X and Debian work |
| 19:22.55 | gravity | jelly-home: I still have free time of course, just not enough to do X stuff, which demands a lot of time and energy. |
| 19:23.08 | Juventino | enouf sure :) |
| 19:23.15 | jelly-home | yeah, was thinking wrt debian-x |
| 19:23.22 | gravity | Yeah, I haven't been following it |
| 19:23.28 | jetscreamer | yeah you have to run 10 miles to get to the xstrike force training camp... |
| 19:23.34 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:23.34 | gravity | heh |
| 19:23.49 | enouf | Intel 945 .. anyone familiar with this error? <Juventino> when i do glxinfo, it get that error: libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument) <-- he has libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} installed |
| 19:24.12 | gravity | Practically. I was subscribed to nearly 10 mailing lists just for X stuff. Reading that every night or two takes a long time. And doing work on top of that... I just can't do that right now. |
| 19:24.19 | enouf | Juventino: have you checked the BTS? |
| 19:24.25 | Juventino | BTS? |
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| 19:24.33 | gravity | hrm |
| 19:24.33 | enouf | jkdsoft: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:24.38 | enouf | grah |
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| 19:24.47 | enouf | !tell Juventino -about bts |
| 19:24.51 | Gohan | im on amd ahtlon x2, should I use debian 64? |
| 19:24.59 | enouf | jkdsoft: ignore me, thanks |
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| 19:25.18 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: so any hope? |
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| 19:25.28 | jetscreamer | Gohan: you don't have to, but yeah you can |
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| 19:26.00 | gravity | Juventino: Do you have the file /dev/dri/card0 on your system? |
| 19:26.02 | Juventino | enouf which package should i look for? |
| 19:26.08 | gravity | That might be a known bug though |
| 19:26.09 | sitetest | jetscreamer, hi , thanks for the prompt reply, but is there a HUGE advantage compared to just running one core? |
| 19:26.22 | jelly-home | sitetest: use it for a server if your app will greatly benefit. don't use it if you want to seamlessly use nonfree binary apps like java browser plugins |
| 19:26.29 | Juventino | gravity yes |
| 19:26.40 | enouf | Juventino: when you do drxx (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) did you select the dri and drm modules? does /etc/X11/xorg.conf list them? |
| 19:26.40 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, mm |
| 19:26.50 | enouf | Juventino: oh, and did you say no to any/all kernel framebuffer questions? |
| 19:26.55 | gravity | Meh, that should be gone from the debconfage |
| 19:27.01 | gravity | I deleted all that shit. It's autoloaded |
| 19:27.24 | sitetest | jelly, thank you, I will stick with the regular 32 bit, thanks :) |
| 19:27.25 | gravity | Juventino: Are you running unstable or testing? |
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| 19:27.42 | Juventino | enouf i got the framebuffer option to off in xorg, and gravity i'm using stable etchnhalf |
| 19:27.50 | sitetest | jelly-home, thank you, I will stick with the regular 32 bit, thanks :) |
| 19:27.53 | Juventino | 1 sec i'll upload the Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:28.03 | jelly-home | sitetest: yeah, that's me as well |
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| 19:28.16 | gravity | Ah, etchnahalf might be the issue |
| 19:28.18 | sitetest | ah |
| 19:28.25 | Juventino | :O |
| 19:28.37 | gravity | Juventino: Did it work with regular etch in the past? |
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| 19:28.54 | Juventino | gravity yes, but not on the machine having the problem |
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| 19:30.55 | gravity | Juventino: I think that unless you need etchnahalf and if you want 3d accel, you should use just etch |
| 19:30.55 | Juventino | enouf http://www.pastebin.ca/1041458 |
| 19:30.56 | gravity | Juventino: Unfortunately, backporting mesa was pretty much impossible. The new intel driver expects a new mesa though, which isn't on your system. |
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| 19:30.56 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: w'll i work? |
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| 19:31.16 | Juventino | gravity i upgraded to etchnhalf in the 1st place to get the intel driver, cause it wasn't avilable in etch.. |
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| 19:31.36 | gravity | nods |
| 19:31.40 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, heh, bloody split |
| 19:31.42 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, you have to manually configure it, it seems |
| 19:31.44 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, http://www.moschip.com/data/products/NM/FAQ_98XX.pdf |
| 19:31.55 | gravity | Juventino: Basically we couldn't provide full support in stable. The subsystems just changed too much |
| 19:31.58 | gravity | So we did what we could |
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| 19:32.23 | Juventino | gravity i know, but there's no way i can get the 3D acc to work on etchnhalf? |
| 19:32.33 | jelly-home | backport all of xorg for etchandthreequarters! |
| 19:32.42 | enouf | comin home! |
| 19:32.50 | Juventino | there's etchandthreequarters? :P |
| 19:32.50 | gravity | Juventino: You could check backports.org to see if they've backported mesa |
| 19:32.51 | Juventino | lol |
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| 19:33.01 | Juventino | gravity 1 sec let me check |
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| 19:33.10 | Juventino | though, |
| 19:33.15 | Juventino | i downloaded the mesa source code |
| 19:33.20 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: setserial /dev/ttyS2 port 0xecf8 UART 16550A irq 10 Baud_base 115200 |
| 19:33.20 | Juventino | tried to compile it, |
| 19:33.20 | icecubex132Q8_ | -bash: setserial: command not found |
| 19:33.28 | gravity | Heh, not a pleasant experience |
| 19:33.29 | enouf | 2 minute lag! .. ugh |
| 19:33.45 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, http://www.moschip.com/data/products/NM/linux.zip has linux installation guide |
| 19:33.45 | Juventino | but there was a package wanted, that wasn't avilable in stable, the version though |
| 19:33.46 | ansu | jelly-home: I tried everything, both irqpoll and generic.all_generic_ide=1 but nothign solved the problem :( |
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| 19:34.04 | ansu | jelly-home: now I wil download the kmotu CD and see if things improve |
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| 19:34.31 | NitroGlyceriX | hello folks |
| 19:34.38 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, install setserial? but follow the guide in the linux.zip rather :P |
| 19:34.40 | jelly-home | ansu: fwiw, I've had his 2.6.24 fail on some machines, but his 2.6.23 images work |
| 19:34.59 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: ok thanks alot man |
| 19:35.07 | NitroGlyceriX | is wonderinf if it is possible to use a WIFI printer ? and which util to use to configure it ? |
| 19:35.10 | ansu | jelly-home: so you advise 2.6.23 ? |
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| 19:35.20 | ansu | I have IntelC ore 2 Quad |
| 19:35.24 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, another option is always to try a newer kernel |
| 19:35.33 | Agiofws | hi |
| 19:35.35 | ansu | with Intel G33 motherboard |
| 19:35.38 | jelly-home | ansu: I'm saying, try the newest, but if it doesn't work, try 2.6.23 as well |
| 19:35.46 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: you mean apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:35.47 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, if that guide doesn't work that is |
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| 19:35.57 | Agiofws | whats the command to configure your rc.scripts ? |
| 19:36.00 | enouf | ansu: which chipset / motherboard is that? and is the DVD drive SATA? how about HDDs? |
| 19:36.05 | enouf | ok |
| 19:36.10 | enouf | ansu: kmuto is for you |
| 19:36.12 | Juventino | You have searched for packages that names contain mesa in suite(s) etch-backports, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 19:36.12 | Juventino | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 19:36.15 | Juventino | :\ |
| 19:36.25 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, upgrade working on kernel updates depends entirely on how it's installed |
| 19:36.35 | Agiofws | cause i upgraded and NOW its starting UP crap that i have disabled |
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| 19:36.49 | gravity | Juventino: Well, you could do the backport yourself. Other than that, you'll have to give up something |
| 19:36.53 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, and what kernels are available |
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| 19:37.04 | enouf | ansu: follow the .23 kernel details there - others there have had issues using g33 .. might want to set under IDE Config the [RAID] option, but only if there's no [AHCI] one |
| 19:37.09 | ansu | enouf: LG DVD-Writer is IDE, only HDD is SATA on Intel DG33FB motherboard (popularly know as G33 chipset motherboard) |
| 19:37.30 | Juventino | gravity well as i said, i tried backporting, but the source package needed another lib version that wasn't avilable in stable |
| 19:37.32 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: ok ill try the manula if its not working then i ll go with the upgrade |
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| 19:37.44 | enouf | ansu: hrm, well see what your BIOS is set at |
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| 19:38.16 | ansu | enouf: okay I will rebott abd be back ina minute :) |
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| 19:38.24 | gravity | Juventino: Yeah, you'd have to backport all the build-dependencies as well |
| 19:38.27 | enouf | ok |
| 19:38.31 | Juventino | oh my |
| 19:38.32 | Juventino | lol |
| 19:38.37 | Juventino | well, i'll try that |
| 19:38.41 | gravity | (This is why I'm on vacation from X, btw) |
| 19:38.46 | enouf | gravity: would upgrading to testing solve Juventino 's issues? |
| 19:39.01 | jelly-home | Juventino: if you don't care about breaking your machine much, video-intel 2.3.1 from lenny works nice on my i915GM |
| 19:39.26 | Juventino | jelly i think that's the one i have .. lol |
| 19:39.28 | gravity | enouf: Yes, I believe so |
| 19:39.29 | Juventino | let me check |
| 19:39.39 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, also one option is always to contact the manufacturer support |
| 19:39.41 | enouf | gravity: i see - thanks ;-) |
| 19:39.45 | jelly-home | Juventino: you probably have 2.2.1 from etchnahalf |
| 19:39.52 | gravity | That's what I meant by sacrificing though. He'd have to give up etch |
| 19:39.58 | enouf | sure |
| 19:39.58 | jelly-home | right |
| 19:40.08 | maligor | icecubex132Q8_, since they seem to claim linux support |
| 19:40.25 | Agiofws | whats the command to configure your rc.scripts ? in debain apart from rc.update-rc.d |
| 19:40.35 | maligor | oh, they only support OEMs |
| 19:40.37 | Juventino | jelly-home yea.. 2.2.1 |
| 19:40.44 | enouf | and i never would've guessed that it wouldn't work in Etch well ,. thought i helped someone the other night . but must've been slightly diff circumstances |
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| 19:40.56 | Juventino | but i thought it's a problem about mesa? |
| 19:41.16 | enouf | Agiofws: what do you mean? /msg dpkg rcconf , /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:41.29 | Juventino | well, will changing to ubuntu solve it? |
| 19:41.38 | jelly-home | Juventino: well there is a newer mesa in lenny as well (and newer xorg) |
| 19:41.39 | gravity | Juventino: Yes, that's another option |
| 19:41.42 | Agiofws | i want to configure what services start at boot |
| 19:41.45 | Agiofws | enouf, |
| 19:41.46 | gravity | Again, give up etch |
| 19:41.57 | Juventino | jelly so mainly i'll end up using lenny? lol |
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| 19:42.03 | anddam | hi |
| 19:43.32 | Juventino | gravity too bad :\ |
| 19:43.32 | enouf | Agiofws: then those factoids should do fine - along with update-rc.d |
| 19:43.32 | anddam | wow |
| 19:43.32 | gravity | Juventino: I agree |
| 19:43.33 | jelly-home | Juventino: just saying it's a possibility |
| 19:43.33 | gravity | is not happy with the X stack |
| 19:43.35 | maligor | freenode is having a happy day |
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| 19:43.46 | anddam | and back they are |
| 19:43.46 | Juventino | gravity i got etch running on the other pc, and it's smooth!! not a single problem |
| 19:43.46 | Juventino | jelly-home yea i know :) thnx |
| 19:43.46 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.46 | icecubex132Q8_ | maligor: im having truble with setserial? |
| 19:43.47 | icecubex132Q8_ | command not found |
| 19:43.47 | enouf | Agiofws: no leading spaces ;-) |
| 19:43.47 | jelly-home | has had GL working... until he got a second head and learned about "no GL on resolutions > 2048 horiz" |
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| 19:43.47 | Juventino | but if i end up using a testing after all then i'd rather use a fancy one then lol |
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| 19:43.47 | anddam | is it normal that iptables -L is pretty slow in printing output? |
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| 19:43.48 | anddam | it's running on PII |
| 19:43.48 | jelly-home | anddam: add -n to skip dns lookups |
| 19:43.51 | anddam | jelly-home: ah thx |
| 19:44.06 | anddam | I just read NetfilterHOWTO and would like to play |
| 19:44.07 | biopyte | folks, anybody knows a way to watch online the euro 2008 soccer on linux? |
| 19:44.24 | biopyte | debian, to be OT |
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| 19:44.35 | jelly-home | biopyte: will there be a free stream or what? |
| 19:44.52 | Agiofws | enouf, whats the fam service ? |
| 19:44.59 | anddam | btw I tried to DROP icmp packages on INPUT but the box kept replying, I think that having already run ipmasq has some prior icmp accept rule, does it sound reasonable? |
| 19:45.01 | Agiofws | can i disable that ? |
| 19:45.23 | anddam | biopyte: do you mean legally or what? |
| 19:45.27 | biopyte | jelly-home: there is espn360.com, but it doesnt work with linux. |
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| 19:46.33 | biopyte | yes, legally, of course. |
| 19:46.34 | anddam | Juventino: where are you from btw? |
| 19:46.34 | anddam | biopyte: dunno then |
| 19:46.34 | Juventino | anddam egypt |
| 19:46.34 | ansu | enouf: there are 2 modes available: IDE and AHCI, I tried both but no luck |
| 19:46.34 | enouf | Agiofws: sure, it's File Alteration Monitor |
| 19:46.34 | anddam | Juventino: I asked because of the nick, I'm from ita |
| 19:46.34 | ansu | enouf: BTW, why you are after HDD when the problem is with DVD drive ? |
| 19:46.34 | Juventino | anddam well big fan ;) |
| 19:46.34 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.36 | anddam | I guessed |
| 19:46.54 | Agiofws | hal ? |
| 19:46.59 | enouf | ansu: what mode was it in? and did you try the install generic.all_generic_ide=1 option using both modes? |
| 19:47.06 | anddam | hardawre abstraction layer |
| 19:47.09 | anddam | ware* |
| 19:47.29 | enouf | ansu: was just looking to see if you have sata devices and controllers at all |
| 19:47.30 | ansu | enouf: it was in IDE but since it was not workng, I changed it to AHCI |
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| 19:48.03 | ansu | enouf: 2nd, generic.all_generic_ide=1 option doesnot work with 64 bit betinstall CD |
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| 19:48.31 | enouf | ansu: the .23 kmuto image should work the treat |
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| 19:48.42 | enouf | 64 beta installer ? |
| 19:48.42 | ansu | enouf: it says: "nobody cared ( please use irqpoll options instead )" |
| 19:48.42 | ansu | enouf: YES |
| 19:48.49 | enouf | ansu: you said Netinstall |
| 19:48.52 | ansu | 64 testing netinstal image |
| 19:48.58 | enouf | why Testing? |
| 19:49.05 | enouf | that's borkened |
| 19:49.07 | jelly-home | biopyte: and espn360.com isn't exactly free to try either |
| 19:49.15 | ansu | enouf: because 32 bit stable was not working :P |
| 19:49.21 | enouf | ansu: grab the Etch netinstall |
| 19:49.28 | enouf | well .. then grab kmuto |
| 19:49.28 | squid0 | hi. I compiled a package from source with checkinstall, but I see a message towards the end saying: "Building file list... FAILED!". The created .deb is also listed as having no files. What could be the source of the problem? |
| 19:49.31 | peter_12 | when I run "tar xvf" on a file it untars the file and the resulting directory has user and group 501. What is that? |
| 19:49.35 | Agiofws | avahi-daemon atieventsd fam hal saned fam hal nfs-common spamassassin <--- can someone tell me if its safe to disabled these boot up services .... ? |
| 19:49.43 | Agiofws | i m using lenny |
| 19:49.46 | anddam | jelly-home: HA! it works :-) |
| 19:49.55 | ansu | enouf: I have 3 CDs: 32 bit and 64 bit testing images and 32 bit stable image and none of them works :( |
| 19:49.56 | anddam | just used -I rather than -A |
| 19:49.57 | enouf | ansu: kill avahi-daemon, fam, |
| 19:50.01 | enouf | grah! |
| 19:50.07 | enouf | Agiofws: kill avahi-daemon, fam, |
| 19:50.19 | enouf | Agiofws: saned is for Scanners |
| 19:50.26 | ansu | enouf: so what solution left ? kmotu ? |
| 19:50.29 | enouf | Agiofws: nfs-common is NFS |
| 19:50.37 | enouf | ansu: yep ;-) |
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| 19:50.53 | enouf | ansu: kmuto.jp <-spell it correctly ;-) |
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| 19:51.24 | enouf | Agiofws: spamassassin if you're using it, don't kill it |
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| 19:51.26 | jelly-home | Agiofws: do you want automounting of hot-plugged usb devices to work? |
| 19:51.29 | lvh | hello |
| 19:51.39 | Agiofws | jelly, i would like it |
| 19:51.42 | enouf | don't kill his HAL9000 :-P |
| 19:51.43 | Agiofws | thats hal ? |
| 19:51.43 | jelly-home | Agiofws: if you do, don't kill hal |
| 19:51.45 | Vutral | lol |
| 19:51.52 | Agiofws | ok |
| 19:52.03 | Agiofws | what is spamassasin ? |
| 19:52.06 | jelly-home | Agiofws: gnome uses fam, I think |
| 19:52.09 | enouf | ... |
| 19:52.11 | deconvolution | hi, anyone using madwifi with the latest 2.6.25 kernel? In my system the wirless network was connected but I cannot ping to the router. |
| 19:52.24 | lvh | how can I convince my g++ to compile 32 bit modules, when I'm running a 64 bit system? I've tried g++ -march=i386 -fPIC -shared main.cpp -o mymod.so |
| 19:52.27 | Vutral | DAVE |
| 19:52.27 | ansu | enouf: and there is no guarntee that kmuto.jp will work or whether the Fedora 9 DVD I am downloading wil work, or whether I will be able to use Linux at all :( |
| 19:52.34 | lvh | g++ doesnt let me do that: main.cpp:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set |
| 19:52.35 | Agiofws | what is spamassasin ? ? |
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| 19:52.43 | enouf | ansu: sure there is - i told where to read about it ;-) |
| 19:52.44 | Vutral | DAVE i feel a disonance in my avahi circuits |
| 19:52.49 | Agiofws | is it for MUTT ? |
| 19:52.51 | anddam | Agiofws: do you live in a spam-free world? |
| 19:52.51 | Vutral | dave what are you doing .... you hurt me |
| 19:52.52 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 19:53.00 | Agiofws | i do |
| 19:53.07 | enouf | "You know i can't allow you to do that Dave" |
| 19:53.07 | ansu | enouf: I forgot where to read about it :( |
| 19:53.09 | anddam | you lucky... |
| 19:53.10 | lvh | Agiofws: spamassassin - Perl-based spam filter using text analysis |
| 19:54.47 | ansu | enouf: please tell me agina the reading place |
| 19:54.47 | enouf | ansu: kmuto.jp |
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| 19:54.47 | enouf | under .23 details |
| 19:54.47 | anddam | this splitting is going to be funny |
| 19:54.47 | ansu | enouf: ok |
| 19:54.47 | jelly-home | ansu: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:54.48 | ansu | jelly-home: I know this |
| 19:54.48 | Agiofws | ok |
| 19:54.48 | Agiofws | reboot |
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| 19:55.10 | toad__ | ndiswrapper doesn't work on 2.6.24 (with broadcom 4318), any ideas? |
| 19:55.10 | ansu | jelly-homeL i played with dpkg with this |
| 19:55.10 | jelly-home | ansu: sorry, I must have misread |
| 19:55.10 | enouf | ansu: specifically' http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2623-etch.htm |
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| 19:55.11 | jelly-home | enouf: but he knows that! |
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| 19:55.11 | enouf | i know, hehe |
| 19:55.43 | anddam | how do I turn off ipv6 ? |
| 19:56.07 | enouf | oh leave it be |
| 19:56.11 | anddam | I launched vncserver but netstat list the listening socket on ipv6 rather than ipv4 |
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| 19:56.34 | anddam | and that's strange because I'm actually accessing the server but I'm sure I configured only ipv4 network on the client |
| 19:56.53 | anddam | enouf: was that one for me? |
| 19:57.11 | enouf | anddam: yeah, but nm i guess, i don't know squat about vncserver |
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| 19:57.35 | anddam | enouf: I don't think it's something alien, the point is why isn't it showing in netstat -4 -l |
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| 19:58.10 | anddam | enouf: using nmap on the other computer I see port 5901 open on the ipv4 net so it's a bit strange to me |
| 19:58.14 | enouf | if you look at /etc/modprobe.d/aliases you can likely temp disable it |
| 19:58.32 | jelly-home | anddam: add "install ipv6 /bin/true" to a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, like /etc/modprobe.d/local; run update-initramfs -u; reboot |
| 19:58.35 | enouf | i don't know if you're supposed to be doing any port forwarding |
| 20:01.06 | anddam | jelly-home: that seems to enable ipv6 tho' |
| 20:01.07 | enouf | jelly-home: er, not /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ... ? .. or you want /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local ? |
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| 20:01.20 | kash | freenode just took a shit |
| 20:01.20 | jelly-home | anddam: no, it doesn't |
| 20:01.20 | enouf | kgod: it's got diarrhea today |
| 20:01.20 | enouf | dammit |
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| 20:01.20 | maligor | one server must be blinking on and off |
| 20:01.20 | jelly-home | enouf: the filename doesn't matter, as long as it's under /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 20:01.20 | enouf | i'm just giving up on tab completion today ... that's it! |
| 20:01.20 | maligor | I wonder why they don't just disconnect it and figure out why |
| 20:01.21 | kash | enouf, diarrhea day is every day for freenode |
| 20:01.21 | enouf | jelly-home: i see, with that "install ..." line, in it |
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| 20:01.35 | totocool | zdraveyte |
| 20:01.40 | totocool | az obicham linux |
| 20:01.49 | totocool | hello , free sex |
| 20:01.54 | peter_12 | how do I see what version of Debian I am running from the command line? |
| 20:02.05 | jelly-home | anddam: what it does, is invoke "/bin/true" command when something wants to modprobe ipv6 |
| 20:02.07 | Ward1983_ | my comp allways crashes lately, it seems to be gnome, its happening now |
| 20:02.08 | totocool | i see the command dick |
| 20:02.12 | Ward1983_ | what can i do to check what it is? |
| 20:02.15 | Ward1983_ | since its happening now |
| 20:02.43 | anddam | jelly-home: understood |
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| 20:03.26 | enouf | peter_12: cat /etc/{debian_version,issue.net} , cat /proc/version, uname -r |
| 20:03.57 | peter_12 | thank you |
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| 20:05.57 | anddam | have to check the tables now |
| 20:05.59 | anddam | bye |
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| 20:08.40 | psilocybin | hey, how i add new library directories? |
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| 20:08.40 | psilocybin | i have stuff in /usr/local/lib, but progs can't find those. |
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| 20:10.43 | enouf | psilocybin: add the path to your /etc/ld.so.conf , IINM |
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| 20:11.43 | psilocybin | in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 20:11.44 | psilocybin | include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
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| 20:12.02 | psilocybin | /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu.conf |
| 20:12.05 | enouf | well, if they're meant for compiling, then you want to somehow export your LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib or something |
| 20:12.10 | psilocybin | /lib/i486-linux-gnu |
| 20:12.11 | psilocybin | /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu |
| 20:12.12 | sulo | Hi, I have this problem: when I log in as user in X (using gdm) on Debian etch, the network manager takes over and tries to set up the network, which it fails doing. Instead it freezes the network resources and won't let me set it up manually. If I, instead of logginng into X, logs into tty1 and manually sets the network up from there, I get on fine.Ã How do I tell network-manager or whatever it is in gnoe to leave everything |
| 20:12.13 | psilocybin | doh |
| 20:12.44 | psilocybin | where i should put the LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff ? so that it would be for all users? to /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc ? |
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| 20:13.03 | enouf | i can't say for sure, apologies |
| 20:13.10 | psilocybin | :/ |
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| 20:13.48 | sulo | psilocybin: ld.so.conf? |
| 20:14.23 | samantha-- | is there a utility that will create a winamp playlist of everything in a directory, in alphabetical order? like, many directories in series? |
| 20:14.27 | psilocybin | ok i'll try |
| 20:14.38 | psilocybin | do i need to run some command after modifying ld.so.conf? |
| 20:14.52 | enouf | ldconfig -a, iirc |
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| 20:15.21 | psilocybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.22 | psilocybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.28 | psilocybin | ld -L |
| 20:15.29 | psilocybin | :D |
| 20:15.30 | psilocybin | sorry :S |
| 20:15.37 | psilocybin | i'm still noob after 5 years using this.. |
| 20:15.38 | peterrooney | samantha--: find . | egrep "mp3|wav|ogg" |
| 20:15.39 | psilocybin | lol |
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| 20:16.09 | samantha-- | peterrooney ... "winamp playlist" |
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| 20:16.18 | psilocybin | ldconfig -a is an invalid option |
| 20:16.35 | enouf | just ldconfig |
| 20:16.36 | peterrooney | samantha--: sorry, which debian package is winamp in? |
| 20:16.43 | psilocybin | 2.3.6 version of ldconfig |
| 20:16.44 | sulo | psilocybin man ldconfig? |
| 20:16.50 | samantha-- | peterrooney, many debian packages support winamp-style playlists. |
| 20:16.51 | jelly-home | peterrooney: you need to add some sort and awk or perl love to that line, and fix your find as well |
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| 20:17.10 | sulo | samantha-- xmms? |
| 20:17.17 | anddam | works but in nmap I see ports firewalled rather than not seeing them at all, I added a DROP rule in INPUT chain for those port with --dport is there a way to not accept the connections at all? |
| 20:17.31 | enouf | apt-cache search idv3 ? |
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| 20:17.49 | jelly-home | samantha--: can't you just enqueue a directory in xmms? |
| 20:18.00 | sulo | anddam: close the services? |
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| 20:18.17 | anddam | sulo: I need them |
| 20:19.46 | anddam | sulo: I mean I could turn off the computer as well |
| 20:19.46 | samantha-- | jelly-home, maybe. what i want to do is give said utility a tree, and have it spit out, one file per directory, a playlist file. eg, automated. sure i can make them manually in any number of utility, but i have thousands of directories. |
| 20:19.47 | enouf | wow, my cache search totally failed, lmao |
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| 20:20.00 | psilocybin | ah ok, i put that /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf and run ldconfig without arguments and it works now. thank you! |
| 20:20.00 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search id | grep tag <-- better |
| 20:20.01 | sulo | anddam you need the services, but you want incoming connections blocked? |
| 20:20.01 | anddam | sulo: on an interface |
| 20:20.01 | jelly-home | samantha--: oh, so you want one playlist per directory |
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| 20:20.01 | enouf | duh, it's id3v ... |
| 20:20.01 | anddam | sulo: is that so uncommon? |
| 20:20.01 | sulo | anddam incoming connections from a certain iface? |
| 20:20.01 | samantha-- | jelly-home, yes. created in a single invocation, or single invocation per directory tree. |
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| 20:21.48 | jelly-home | samantha--: xmms accepts even simple filename lists in .m3u files. you can easily create those with find. |
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| 20:22.06 | anddam | sulo: I have a box, 2 ifaces, I want to accep connections from one and deny from the other |
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| 20:22.06 | enouf | psilocybin: that was me being cautious when i'm not positive, i try to do things slowly, and gently .. ;-) |
| 20:22.06 | peterrooney | samantha--: pipe find into something like awk ' BEGIN {print "#EXTM3U" ; print "#EXTINF:1" } { print $0}' |
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| 20:23.39 | sulo | anddam: how about the '-i' and '-o' options? |
| 20:23.39 | jelly-home | peterrooney: this will need to be done for each directory |
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| 20:23.52 | peterrooney | jelly-home: ooh, sounds like a job for -exec |
| 20:23.52 | peterrooney | can someone just unplug brown.freenode.net for a while? |
| 20:23.53 | anddam | sulo: I can't follow you, what has -i and -o to do with my question? |
| 20:23.53 | jelly-home | peterrooney: so, a general idea... find ... -type d | xargs -n1 somthing like your find |
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| 20:24.45 | psilocybin | yes, enouf |
| 20:24.46 | psilocybin | :) |
| 20:24.55 | psilocybin | slowly and gently |
| 20:25.06 | sulo | anddam: you want to block incoming connections from one interface, accept from the other? |
| 20:25.08 | peter_12 | does anyone here have cpan working on their debian etch machine? |
| 20:25.14 | jelly-home | peter_12: yes. |
| 20:25.31 | peter_12 | jelly-home: have you ever seen and "couldn't untar" error? |
| 20:25.38 | peter_12 | i cannot install anything |
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| 20:25.45 | jelly-home | peter_12: not as such, no |
| 20:25.47 | anddam | sulo: yes |
| 20:26.04 | peter_12 | jelly-home: what version of cpan do you have? |
| 20:26.11 | jelly-home | peter_12: tried cleaning up .cpan? |
| 20:26.19 | peter_12 | you mean deleting it? |
| 20:26.24 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 20:26.24 | peterrooney | samantha-- , jelly-home : perhaps find . -type d -exec find {} -maxdepth 1 -type f -iname *[mow][pga][3gv] > {}.m3u \; |
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| 20:26.56 | samantha-- | will give it a shot and see what i find |
| 20:26.58 | anddam | sulo: that said do you have any advice for my question? |
| 20:27.07 | vizzy | wtf? where is my ignore nbutton in damn debian patched xchat? |
| 20:28.03 | sulo | anddam: no, I'm sorry |
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| 20:28.39 | peter_12 | jelly-home: no luck. Same error |
| 20:28.41 | stoned | well yippy |
| 20:28.47 | peter_12 | "Couldn't untar /root/.cpan/sources/authors/id/A/AN/ANDK/Bundle-CPAN-1.857.tar" |
| 20:28.51 | stoned | I got radeonhd to work, resolution is great at 1:10 |
| 20:28.56 | stoned | 16:10 |
| 20:28.56 | peter_12 | strangely I can untar that manually |
| 20:29.01 | jelly-home | peter_12: CPAN.pm version 1.7602 |
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| 20:29.32 | jelly-home | peter_12: do you really need to update cpan itself? |
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| 20:30.15 | _ZeuZ_ | for an x86_64 kernel, what nVidia package should I choose? IA64 or IA32? |
| 20:30.21 | peter_12 | jelly-home: "cpan -v" is telling me I have the same version of cpan that you do |
| 20:30.34 | peter_12 | jelly-home: I see the same error regardless of the module I try to install |
| 20:30.47 | peter_12 | it isn't specific to Bundle::CPAN |
| 20:31.52 | jelly-home | peter_12: pastebin the whole output starting with no /root/.cpan, please |
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| 20:32.50 | jelly-home | !win stoned |
| 20:32.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, stoned! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 20:33.03 | jelly-home | spits |
| 20:33.07 | peter_12 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m47688d0f |
| 20:33.55 | jelly-home | "Going to read /root/.cpan/Metadata" suggests you didn't remove it |
| 20:34.21 | jelly-home | it being the whole of ~/.cpan/ |
| 20:34.57 | peterrooney | peter_12: have you run perl -MCPAN -e shell ? might be useful after removing .cpan dir |
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| 20:35.41 | peter_12 | jelly-home: sorry. that wasn an earlier ouput |
| 20:35.55 | enouf | _ZeuZ_: well, IINM, the debian way offers both the 32 and 64bit versions |
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| 20:36.32 | jelly-home | peter_12: user and group are a result of untaring as root |
| 20:36.43 | enouf | _ZeuZ_: but ia64 is not a term you want to use, it implies itanium, not amd64/intel core2duo/ etc erc |
| 20:37.38 | peter_12 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m573bc216 |
| 20:38.58 | jelly-home | peter_12: weird. ls -ld /bin/tar? |
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| 20:39.51 | peter_12 | jelly-home: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 235804 2007-12-26 20:46 /bin/tar* |
| 20:40.20 | jelly-home | peter_12: dpkg -l perl-base perl |tail -2 |
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| 20:40.39 | peter_12 | ii perl 5.8.8-7etch1 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language |
| 20:40.39 | peter_12 | ii perl-base 5.8.8-7etch1 The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister |
| 20:40.54 | jelly-home | so far looks the same |
| 20:41.31 | peter_12 | as far as I know I haven't every changed anything to do with perl or cpan on this machine |
| 20:41.38 | peter_12 | i've never used perl on this machine |
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| 20:42.45 | peter_12 | jelly-home: would you mind pastebin your "o conf"? |
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| 20:49.04 | peter_12 | jelly-home: I think my connection crapped out for a second there |
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| 20:49.18 | jelly-home | peter_12: http://pastebin.ca/1041508 |
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| 20:49.36 | simonrvn | peter_12: just the netsplitting |
| 20:49.56 | peter_12 | simonrvn: I don't understand |
| 20:50.01 | simonrvn | nm |
| 20:50.09 | Juventino | if i wanna downgrade from etchnhalf to etch.. |
| 20:50.19 | Juventino | will apt-get dist-upgrade work? |
| 20:50.44 | \amethyst | !downgrade |
| 20:50.44 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade> |
| 20:51.01 | jelly-home | peter_12: no idea, but try replacing your /etc/perl/CPAN/Config.pm with a single '1;' line |
| 20:51.29 | peter_12 | hmm |
| 20:51.30 | peter_12 | ok |
| 20:51.38 | peter_12 | I will try a few things with your o conf also |
| 20:51.47 | Juventino | \amethyst so mainly a new installation is better? |
| 20:52.03 | jelly-home | peter_12: (btw, skip the quotes, just 1; ) |
| 20:52.12 | ac3 | Hi, i´ve set up passwordless ssh auth for a user, but with a passphrase. Gnome keyring unlocks this passphrase upon login. This works perfectly, however i want to execute ssh (which starts a tunnel) by using sudo, and now ssh needs again the passphrase (using -i /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa) |
| 20:52.18 | \amethyst | Juventino: probably; what didn't work for you with etchandahalf? |
| 20:52.41 | ac3 | What am i missing? |
| 20:52.44 | Juventino | \amethyst the 3d rendering for the intel 945 chipset |
| 20:53.25 | jelly-home | ac3: sudo will strip away the enviroment variables needed for ssh-agent to work |
| 20:53.32 | Juventino | \amethyst and the mesa driver isn't avilable from backporting for etchnhalf |
| 20:53.35 | \amethyst | ac3: the SSH_AUTH_SOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID variables went away |
| 20:53.59 | ac3 | \amethyst: i trioed setting them as env variables for root, but no success |
| 20:54.31 | ac3 | jelly-home: sudo -E should do the trick, but it refuses |
| 20:55.06 | \amethyst | ac3: setting them how?> |
| 20:55.37 | owen1 | i am in the process of creating a debian on a partition inside ubuntu. i have a new free space of 10gb. i run cfdisk. what is my next step? |
| 20:55.38 | \amethyst | ac3: did you read the docs on -E; it won't work unless you change some settings in sudoers |
| 20:55.41 | ac3 | export |
| 20:55.42 | \amethyst | ac3: you might try this: |
| 20:55.56 | peter_12 | jelly-home: no luck. It made me go through the whole cpan manual install process again and now it knows about my "/usr/bin/unzip" other than that I don't think anything important is different |
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| 20:56.23 | \amethyst | ac3: try sudo SSH_AGENT_PID=$SSH_AGENT_PID SSH_AUTH_SOCK=$SSH_AUTH_SOCK ssh <options> |
| 20:57.17 | jelly-home | peter_12: this would be the point where I'd try stracing it. :-) |
| 20:57.29 | peter_12 | what is that? |
| 20:57.36 | peter_12 | stack trace of some kind? |
| 20:57.44 | jelly-home | peter_12: strace -ff -osome_log cpan ... |
| 20:57.52 | peter_12 | ok |
| 20:57.57 | jelly-home | peter_12: system call tracer, install strace |
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| 20:58.18 | ash_ | hey all |
| 20:58.21 | ash_ | quick q about deselect/apt on stable |
| 20:58.25 | \amethyst | ac3: oh, wait, the syntax I gave you doesn't work in etch's sudo, just sid's |
| 20:58.33 | bringtowel | hello, for some reason im still getting password prompt even after adding my key to the server with "scp id_rsa.pub user@box:~/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 20:58.33 | ash_ | if i want to update to a newer kernel, is it simply a matter of finding the deb? |
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| 20:58.52 | jelly-home | \amethyst: sudo env BLAH=$BLAH command :-) |
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| 20:58.55 | ash_ | i have kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 20:59.05 | ash_ | i'd like to go to a newer version if possible |
| 20:59.11 | ac3 | \amethyst: sudo: sorry, you are not allowed to set the following environment variables: SSH_AUTH_SOCK, GNOME_KEYRING_PID |
| 20:59.20 | jelly-home | ash_: which debian release are you using? |
| 20:59.27 | ac3 | ah |
| 20:59.39 | ash_ | 4.0 |
| 20:59.49 | jelly-home | ash_: upgraded from 3.1? |
| 20:59.51 | \amethyst | ac3: what version of sudo is this? |
| 20:59.52 | cusco | im not follwoing but... sudo su -c "SSH_AGENT_PID=$SSH_AGENT_PID SSH_AUTH_SOCK=$SSH_AUTH_SOCK ssh <options>" |
| 21:00.05 | ac3 | 1.6.9 |
| 21:00.07 | ash_ | jelly: not 100% sure.. its been a while unfortunately |
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| 21:00.14 | ash_ | using grub tho |
| 21:00.47 | \amethyst | ac3: look for 'setenv' in man sudoers |
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| 21:00.58 | \amethyst | ac3: you have to explicitly allow a user to override env_reset |
| 21:01.07 | jelly-home | ash_: pastebin "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 libc6" |
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| 21:01.23 | peter_12 | jelly-home: thanks for your help. I'm going to take a break for a while |
| 21:01.25 | ash_ | can i 'linux-image-2.6.22-4-686' |
| 21:01.32 | ash_ | err can i apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-4-686 from backports |
| 21:01.42 | peter_12 | I have never had an easy time getting cpan running on any OS. It never "just works" |
| 21:01.42 | jelly-home | peter_12: cya |
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| 21:01.48 | \amethyst | ac3: or you could even set env_keep so that those variables are always preserved |
| 21:01.48 | heiner | How can I interactively change the keyboard from ISO8859 characters to UTF-8 characters? |
| 21:01.50 | ac3 | cusco: thx, by adding env it works:) |
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| 21:01.53 | owen1 | i am trying to install debian inside ubuntu. should i flag the new partition as bootable? |
| 21:01.58 | ash_ | jelly: one second on pastebin |
| 21:02.00 | jelly-home | peter_12: heh, I have the opposite experience |
| 21:02.09 | ac3 | this works:) sudo env GNOME_KEYRING_PID=21703 SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-L0higi/ssh ssh -Nqf work |
| 21:02.15 | peter_12 | jelly-home: lucky you. I usually have three or four days of torture |
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| 21:02.27 | \amethyst | ac3: ah, setting them after becoming root... I guess that works :) |
| 21:02.32 | ash_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d129b2c06 |
| 21:02.44 | jelly-home | peter_12: TBH I usually just pick a module on two with dh-make-perl --build --cpan Some::Stuff |
| 21:03.02 | heiner | Is there a more appropriate channel for my question? |
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| 21:03.28 | jelly-home | ash_: ok. you should be able to just install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:04.13 | heiner | Gentlemen, thanks for your attention. |
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| 21:04.32 | ash_ | jelly: thanks! |
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| 21:05.03 | ac3 | is it possible to reset the sudo passwd cache? |
| 21:05.13 | jelly-home | owen1: doesn't matter if you're installing grub in MBR (which is usually the case) |
| 21:05.21 | \amethyst | ac3: per-user, sudo -k or -K |
| 21:05.40 | \amethyst | ac3: I don't know if there's a single command to remove all users' timestamps |
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| 21:06.31 | ac3 | \amethyst: thx:) |
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| 21:06.59 | ash_ | jelly: worked great |
| 21:07.02 | \amethyst | (other than removing /var/run/sudo/*, and that's not safe because a future version of sudo might put other files in there) |
| 21:07.03 | ash_ | do i need to worry about SMP? |
| 21:07.08 | ash_ | (this is a multiproc machine) |
| 21:07.20 | reflect | evening. for learning, I've made a small console utility that measures ethernet speed.. if you'd like to give it a go, http://gurumeditation.se/ethspeed.py suggestions and bug reports are welcome |
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| 21:09.24 | jelly-home | ash_: smp support is present in all etch kernels |
| 21:09.24 | ash_ | ahh cool |
| 21:09.24 | ash_ | ok let me try a reboot |
| 21:09.25 | ash_ | hopefully it wont require a call to the colo :) |
| 21:09.26 | ash_ | anything i should check beforehand? :) |
| 21:09.32 | jelly-home | reflect: is it better than iperf? :-) |
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| 21:11.08 | reflect | jelly-home: probably not, but.. it's something :) |
| 21:11.23 | pozic | Is there some kind of hook that gets run when my locked session comes back up? |
| 21:11.29 | jelly-home | reflect: oh, it measures current utilization, doesn't test the max |
| 21:12.15 | reflect | jelly-home: right, exactly.. it's nice to have it running in the background so you can spot when something is wrong.. |
| 21:12.28 | gkffjcs | this is a random question but I have a good reason for asking it, how often dose the linux kernel get updated in debian? I'm considering switching from ubuntu back to debian, because the kernel gets updated so often, that I need to reinstall VirtualBox very frequently, whcih is annoying. |
| 21:12.52 | pozic | gkffjcs: you don't _have_ to upgrade |
| 21:13.16 | pozic | gkffjcs: I believe both Debian and Ubuntu have a mechanism for that called pinning. |
| 21:13.20 | reflect | he's a geek, not upgrading is against the law ;) |
| 21:13.33 | jelly-home | reflect: aye. I'm running X, and using wmnd though |
| 21:13.58 | reflect | jelly-home: not familiar with wmnd, I'm afraid |
| 21:14.11 | owen1 | jelly-home: so should i choose bootable or not. i am confused. |
| 21:14.20 | gkffjcs | true, I guess. so pinning would allow me to keep the rest of the system up to date, but ignore the kernel updates? |
| 21:14.22 | jelly-home | owen1: it doesn't matter |
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| 21:14.33 | owen1 | jelly-home: ok. |
| 21:14.43 | pozic | gkffjcs: most of the time |
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| 21:17.20 | [2am] | jimmy: worked great, thanks! |
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| 21:18.34 | owen1 | jelly-home: i can't find ex3 under 'Type' |
| 21:18.40 | owen1 | jelly-home: ext3 |
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| 21:20.11 | jelly-home | owen1: running fdisk? type linux |
| 21:20.23 | owen1 | jelly-home: ok |
| 21:21.09 | jelly-home | or don't create a partition at all, and do it within the installer |
| 21:21.22 | dniel | I administrate a mail server. Is it correct to do aptitude update and aptitude upgrade once a month? |
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| 21:21.45 | owen1 | jelly-home: can u elaborate? |
| 21:22.12 | dniel | I do this for hold my debian updated |
| 21:22.25 | dniel | is it correct? |
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| 21:22.33 | bAndie91 | hi all |
| 21:23.05 | jelly-home | owen1: you want to have a dual-boot machine, right? |
| 21:23.14 | Bushmills | dniel: with etch? |
| 21:23.16 | bAndie91 | help! how can i un-upgrade from lenny to etch? |
| 21:23.20 | owen1 | jelly-home: correct |
| 21:23.21 | \amethyst | dniel: that means that you could have a major security hole for as long as a month |
| 21:23.42 | jelly-home | owen1: so have some free space and just boot the installer |
| 21:23.50 | Bushmills | owen1: still ubuntu? |
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| 21:24.14 | jelly-home | bAndie91: you can't |
| 21:24.26 | owen1 | jelly-home: ok. i downloded netinstall.iso is that what u call installer? |
| 21:24.37 | jelly-home | owen1: yes. |
| 21:24.38 | ac3 | can i do something like: username ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/env GNOME_KEYRING_PID=.* SSH_AUTH_SOCK=.* ssh -Nqf work ? |
| 21:24.47 | owen1 | Bushmills: yes, trying to get rid of it slowly. |
| 21:25.24 | reflect | btw, are there any channels for sharing scripts.. ? |
| 21:25.31 | ac3 | omitting everithing behind /usr/bin/env makes it work , but this is a huge security risk |
| 21:26.17 | owen1 | jelly-home: how do i boot the netinstall.iso into the free partitionL |
| 21:26.29 | Bushmills | owen1: yes, has been hinted before .. debian installation is only topped by rocket science |
| 21:26.41 | defrysk | owen1, you boot it and during setup you can select the free partition |
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| 21:26.51 | dniel | Bushmills: yes |
| 21:27.02 | jelly-home | owen1: can you burn it and boot off it? |
| 21:27.11 | dniel | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 21:27.16 | owen1 | jelly-home: i can but wanted to do it without a cd. |
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| 21:27.26 | defrysk | owen1, why ? |
| 21:27.33 | jelly-home | owen1: oh |
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| 21:27.44 | owen1 | defrysk: just for fun. |
| 21:27.52 | defrysk | owen1, have fun then |
| 21:28.04 | Bushmills | dniel: should be fine. but - better than just upgrading once per month (for security updates, mainly), you better do that when there is a reason for. gives you shorter phased of insecure programs installed. |
| 21:28.20 | owen1 | defrysk: ok. so it's better to burn the netinstall.iso to cd and boot it? |
| 21:28.29 | defrysk | owen1, of course |
| 21:28.37 | jelly-home | owen1: well then, since you're running a dpkg-based distro, you can do it with debootstrap, but it's more complicated |
| 21:28.53 | owen1 | jelly-home: defrysk: and it will let me choose the free partition. |
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| 21:29.27 | defrysk | owen1, setup lets you choose hoto partition and what to partition and what to use (and what not) |
| 21:29.42 | dniel | Bushmills: thanks! |
| 21:29.47 | dniel | Bushmills: :) |
| 21:29.55 | Bushmills | yw |
| 21:30.32 | owen1 | jelly-home: btw, when running cfdisk there is no name for the free 10GB. it's ok, right? |
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| 21:30.55 | Bushmills | dniel: debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org will tell you when you should. |
| 21:31.19 | defrysk | owen1, you are a pita |
| 21:31.40 | Bushmills | !rocket science |
| 21:31.45 | owen1 | defrysk: hi. what's going on? |
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| 21:32.23 | jelly-home | owen1: the "name" is the label of a formatted partition. since it's not formatted yet... |
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| 21:32.38 | owen1 | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 21:33.22 | owen1 | defrysk: not everyone is an expert. and there is nothing wrong with asking questions. |
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| 21:33.56 | jelly-home | owen1: your questions suggest you're in over your head |
| 21:34.05 | theneb | Anyone ever installed deb by dd'in a small-cd onto a partition? Also any issues with using a WEP (not my network) network to install with? |
| 21:34.20 | theneb | It's a zd1211 device, so will need the firmware |
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| 21:34.45 | owen1 | jelly-home: ok. going to burn the iso. thaks a lot. |
| 21:34.50 | defrysk | is off to bed |
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| 21:35.48 | jelly-home | owen1: cheers |
| 21:36.13 | HardDisk_WP | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:36.25 | johomato | hi all |
| 21:36.28 | HardDisk_WP | I absolutely hate the new xorg config scripts |
| 21:36.30 | HardDisk_WP | this sucks |
| 21:36.38 | HardDisk_WP | why cant i select the vmware drivers!? |
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| 21:37.54 | HardDisk_WP | orafu, to be correct, why dont mouse and keyboard work? |
| 21:37.59 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Just manually edit your xorg.conf |
| 21:38.02 | HardDisk_WP | in the tty of the vmware image they |
| 21:38.04 | HardDisk_WP | +do |
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| 21:38.09 | HardDisk_WP | but not in the xorg of the vm |
| 21:38.15 | gravity | We do need a good way to detect and set vmware automatically. Since none of us runs vmware though, it's kinda hard |
| 21:38.23 | gravity | Patches encouraged |
| 21:38.29 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: and report bugs ;-) |
| 21:38.38 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, inputdevice has "driver "vmmouse"" |
| 21:38.38 | enouf | volunteers HardDisk_WP |
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| 21:38.43 | HardDisk_WP | and device "vmware" |
| 21:38.56 | HardDisk_WP | in the x-log there is sth about it being detected... |
| 21:39.03 | HardDisk_WP | *pastebin'ing the xorg log* |
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| 21:39.52 | gravity | Ok, if the server can detect it then we can autoload it. I'll have a look at some point. It'll take some extra speshul logic though. |
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| 21:40.04 | gravity | adds to his mental TODO |
| 21:40.18 | jelly-home | gravity: you should keep from answering any X related questions for the time being ;-) |
| 21:40.29 | gravity | I can't help myself |
| 21:40.39 | gravity | vmware is a known bug though |
| 21:40.57 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, http://s-m.homeip.net/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:41.00 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, http://s-m.homeip.net/xorg.conf |
| 21:41.53 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Dude, it's loading your vmware driver |
| 21:42.01 | HardDisk_WP | yeah |
| 21:42.12 | HardDisk_WP | but why doesnt the mouse cursor react? |
| 21:42.20 | HardDisk_WP | and no keyboard input does anything? |
| 21:42.27 | HardDisk_WP | (except from switching to the tty) |
| 21:42.33 | gravity | ugh |
| 21:42.34 | HardDisk_WP | must I load some kernel module? |
| 21:43.35 | gravity | Hrm, it's not loading vmmouse |
| 21:43.49 | gravity | That's a bug. File it against xserver-xorg-core please. |
| 21:44.03 | jelly-home | wow. konqueror is displaying the log file as a hexdump here. Probably because server said Content-Type: application/octet-stream |
| 21:44.09 | gravity | That's not my fault either |
| 21:44.27 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, yeah, I see...I have to tweak lighttpd |
| 21:44.33 | jelly-home | orly! |
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| 21:44.55 | gravity | I think I know where in the server that bug is, and I'm pretty sure I've run in to it before. |
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| 21:45.10 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, ? |
| 21:45.16 | HardDisk_WP | you mean the vmware bug? |
| 21:45.21 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Yes |
| 21:45.36 | gravity | It's not really a vmware bug so much as an input driver autoloading bug |
| 21:46.37 | gravity | It should be listening to your xorg.conf and loading vmmouse, but it's not even trying |
| 21:46.45 | poseidon | wols, hey, I'm back. I have the nvidia-graphics-drivers package downloaded. It came with some pre-build .debs for nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev (which want I ultimately want installed). Should I use those, or should I make a new package from the source files given to me in the source folder? |
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| 21:48.30 | bringtowel | is there a good way to limit the bandwidth used by rsync? |
| 21:48.45 | enouf | poseidon: IIRC, you left off just before following the nvidia_post_etch stuff |
| 21:48.54 | markybob | --bwlimit |
| 21:49.27 | bringtowel | cool thanks |
| 21:49.34 | poseidon | enouf, should I run that instead? |
| 21:49.43 | enouf | poseidon: /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch stuff |
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| 21:50.00 | poseidon | enouf, I already did. |
| 21:50.03 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, did you send anything after <gravity> It's not really a vmware bug so much as an input driver autoloading bug |
| 21:50.05 | HardDisk_WP | my DSL line fucked up again |
| 21:50.11 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Yes |
| 21:50.11 | poseidon | I'll run that now then |
| 21:50.15 | enouf | poseidon: yeah, pretty sure you need module-assistant to build your module |
| 21:50.19 | gravity | It should be listening to your xorg.conf and loading vmmouse, but it's not even trying |
| 21:50.25 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: ^ |
| 21:50.30 | poseidon | enouf, I have it installed |
| 21:50.56 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: This is also assuming you have xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse installed, although I seriously doubt that's the problem given your Xorg.0.log |
| 21:50.58 | enouf | poseidon: have what installed? |
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| 21:51.11 | poseidon | module-assistant |
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| 21:51.18 | modulargamin1 | hello |
| 21:51.22 | enouf | that's nice |
| 21:51.24 | ricosecada | Recommendations for an ecommerce solution on etch? |
| 21:51.27 | modulargamin1 | looking for help with packaging my framework |
| 21:51.52 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 21:51.55 | gravity | modulargamin1: Do you have a more specific question about packaging? |
| 21:52.08 | modulargamin1 | yes - should Smarty, ActiveTable etc be separate packages |
| 21:52.14 | modulargamin1 | or bundled with the modulargaming package? |
| 21:52.26 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, reportbug fails...I couldnt send the mail. |
| 21:52.28 | HardDisk_WP | somehow it tells my smtp server refused the password |
| 21:52.28 | gravity | modulargamin1: Can and should they be used separately? |
| 21:52.29 | HardDisk_WP | thou' it's definitively correct |
| 21:52.31 | HardDisk_WP | and i had to interrupt via ctrl-c |
| 21:52.36 | HardDisk_WP | any way to get the bugreport and mail it by hand? |
| 21:52.44 | modulargamin1 | well yes smarty can - but I use additional plugins/functions for it |
| 21:52.52 | modulargamin1 | so could active table |
| 21:53.00 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: reportbug fails? It has its own smtp server built in, it doesn't need to use your mail relay |
| 21:53.03 | modulargamin1 | maybe if they were packages that installed to shared dir |
| 21:53.24 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, sure that this one works inside a VM without correct hostname etc? |
| 21:53.33 | modulargamin1 | http://modulargaming.com is the site |
| 21:53.44 | gravity | modulargamin1: It doesn't matter if they install to a shared dir. The package organization really depends on what you want. If you want to provide the ability to use them independently of each other, then yeah, separate them. If not, then bundle them up. The granularity is up to you. |
| 21:53.55 | petemc | why would reportbug have the ability to speak smtp? debian requires a mta |
| 21:53.55 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: I don't know about a VM really |
| 21:54.06 | gravity | petemc: Because lots of users have borked mtas |
| 21:54.08 | modulargamin1 | ok |
| 21:54.20 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, or on any normal system which has not an own domain name etc |
| 21:54.24 | jelly-home | modulargamin1: smarty as in the template engine? |
| 21:54.26 | HardDisk_WP | just a standard internet pc |
| 21:54.29 | modulargamin1 | yes |
| 21:54.29 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Yes |
| 21:54.34 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: It's designed with this in mind |
| 21:54.36 | jelly-home | petemc: "my MTA is not working" |
| 21:54.37 | enouf | raises hand (borked mta) |
| 21:54.40 | modulargamin1 | yes jelly-home |
| 21:54.49 | wols | poseidon: as I told you: build the kernel module debs from its source deb which you now have |
| 21:54.51 | jelly-home | modulargamin1: it's already packaged |
| 21:54.59 | modulargamin1 | not with the custom plugins I have |
| 21:55.01 | enouf | likes it this way :-P |
| 21:55.08 | gravity | modulargamin1: Can't you just package the plugins? |
| 21:55.21 | modulargamin1 | don't know if Smarty can load plugins not from Smarty dir |
| 21:55.25 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, ok...but as I dont want to run it again, but have the reportbug report: to which address have I mail it to? |
| 21:55.26 | wols | !tell poseidon about nvidia_post_etch |
| 21:55.28 | modulargamin1 | or can a package put files in dir from another package |
| 21:55.30 | modulargamin1 | wait it can |
| 21:55.37 | gravity | modulargamin1: Just install them to the right dir. You have full control over what gets installed and where. |
| 21:55.42 | modulargamin1 | ok |
| 21:55.47 | wols | modulargamin1: it cannot overwrite files from another package tho |
| 21:55.48 | poseidon | wols, I have that. Now should I be able to see drxx or nvidia on lsmod? I can't |
| 21:55.50 | gravity | God damn cdbs disease making people forget that it's all shell underneath |
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| 21:55.59 | modulargamin1 | I'll package extra Smarty plugins to go same dir as packaged smarty/plugins |
| 21:56.04 | modulargamin1 | they are all unique |
| 21:56.07 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: You can have reportbug output the full email. Then you can just email it with a normal client |
| 21:56.12 | modulargamin1 | I don't have much experience of packaging .debs though |
| 21:56.17 | wols | poseidon: you do NOT have the kernel module. you have kernel module SOURCES now |
| 21:56.20 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Check the reportbug manpage |
| 21:56.20 | modulargamin1 | most I have done is kernels with make-kpkg |
| 21:56.39 | modulargamin1 | also does debian have a universe repo like ubuntu? |
| 21:56.45 | enouf | yes, i recall that option |
| 21:56.45 | modulargamin1 | I need a sponsor right? |
| 21:56.46 | gravity | No |
| 21:56.53 | wols | modulargamin1: no. ubuntu's "univers" IS debian |
| 21:56.53 | gravity | Yes, if you want it to go in to Debian itself |
| 21:56.56 | jelly-home | modulargamin1: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, /msg dpkg mentors |
| 21:57.02 | modulargamin1 | thanks |
| 21:57.12 | gravity | modulargamin1: Nothing is stopping you from putting it up elsewhere though. It's easy to make an apt archive |
| 21:57.19 | modulargamin1 | yea I know |
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| 21:57.28 | modulargamin1 | would help with getting new users being in offical debian though |
| 21:57.30 | modulargamin1 | or ubuntu |
| 21:57.35 | gravity | But yeah, if you want it in debian, you need to not repackage things that are already in the archive |
| 21:57.39 | gravity | And you need a sponsor |
| 21:57.41 | modulargamin1 | would anyone be willing to package it for me? |
| 21:57.52 | gravity | I don't reall do ruby any more |
| 21:57.53 | modulargamin1 | I know active table is not in repos |
| 21:57.57 | bringtowel | hey how can i get FUSE to load automatically? right now i have to su and "modprobe fuse" after each reboot |
| 21:58.05 | modulargamin1 | add to /etc/modules ? |
| 21:58.09 | poseidon | wols, then where did the directory for the sources go after I ran the commands given to my by dpkg in nvidia_post_etch? |
| 21:58.09 | wols | bringtowel: put it into /etc/modules |
| 21:58.11 | kgod | enouf: What's got the runs? |
| 21:58.21 | gravity | modulargamin1: You can file a request for package (RFP) bug report |
| 21:58.26 | wols | poseidon: last time I tell you: use m-a |
| 21:58.26 | modulargamin1 | ok |
| 21:58.29 | gravity | You can also just find someone who's interested |
| 21:58.38 | modulargamin1 | anyone here interested? |
| 21:58.38 | wols | poseidon: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 21:58.52 | gravity | modulargamin1: You might have better luck in #debian-ruby |
| 21:58.58 | modulargamin1 | it isn't ruby... |
| 21:59.01 | modulargamin1 | php |
| 21:59.04 | gravity | urgh |
| 21:59.05 | bringtowel | wols, ah ok cool thanks |
| 21:59.14 | gravity | I don't know, maybe there's a #debian-php |
| 21:59.20 | modulargamin1 | ok |
| 21:59.26 | wols | looks into his crystalball and prophesizes: "modulargamin1 will have a hard time finding someone" |
| 21:59.33 | jelly-home | modulargamin1: also, this is a user-support channels; the -mentors channel will probably know more about packaging resources |
| 21:59.34 | gravity | Or just find out who manages the php packages. If it's a group, you could send a mail to their list and ask them |
| 22:00.05 | modulargamin1 | ok |
| 22:00.08 | modulargamin1 | thanks |
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| 22:00.48 | poseidon | wols, I tried m-a install nvidia-kernel and it says already installed. If I try m-a install nvidia-glx it says package not built successfully though. |
| 22:01.06 | wols | poseidon: exact error(s) |
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| 22:01.19 | wols | and also pastebin of what your commands are |
| 22:01.21 | poseidon | Version 1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686 already installed, skipping. |
| 22:01.32 | wols | that is not an exact error |
| 22:01.46 | poseidon | wols, that is the only error it gives me |
| 22:01.50 | wols | also anote dpkg -l |grep nvidia is in order |
| 22:01.58 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485053 |
| 22:01.59 | wols | I want to see EVERYTHING |
| 22:02.00 | jelly-home | wols: ask for "complete and exact output" :-) |
| 22:02.19 | wols | jelly-home: I will simply ignore him very soon. easier and less stressful for me |
| 22:02.27 | jelly-home | that too |
| 22:02.40 | _ZeuZ_ | Hi, I need to get b43 module, since I don't have it, and moving from 2.6.23 to .24 killed my bcm43xx module... |
| 22:02.53 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Great, thanks |
| 22:02.56 | wols | !b43 |
| 22:02.57 | dpkg | from memory, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>. |
| 22:03.06 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: There may already be a bug about this, but they'll merge it if there is |
| 22:03.15 | _ZeuZ_ | wols: that brings info about the firm |
| 22:03.16 | modulargamin1 | bye |
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| 22:03.21 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, k |
| 22:03.21 | _ZeuZ_ | wols: but I do not have the module |
| 22:03.28 | _ZeuZ_ | one, without the other, won;t do. |
| 22:03.40 | wols | _ZeuZ_: self compiled kernel? |
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| 22:04.00 | _ZeuZ_ | yup... |
| 22:04.04 | _ZeuZ_ | but |
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| 22:04.09 | _ZeuZ_ | I cannot find b43 in the sources tree |
| 22:04.16 | wols | then you fucked up your kernel compile. go back to menuconfig until you get it right |
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| 22:04.29 | enouf | simple, really |
| 22:04.33 | bsmntbombdood | why isn't apt letting me install xemacs? |
| 22:04.39 | wols | _ZeuZ_: shows you shouldn't do what you did. now you live with the consequences, goodbye |
| 22:04.40 | _ZeuZ_ | wols: it's not on my tree of 2.6.24 so I can't compile a shit. |
| 22:04.58 | wols | _ZeuZ_: don't blame your inability on the kernel devs |
| 22:04.59 | _ZeuZ_ | and I know !languaje |
| 22:05.11 | wols | this is not fucking #ubuntu |
| 22:05.19 | wols | there is NO !language |
| 22:05.19 | poseidon | wols, here is everything |
| 22:05.20 | _ZeuZ_ | !languaje | wols |
| 22:05.35 | _ZeuZ_ | And I'm not using fucking crabuntu |
| 22:05.40 | wols | this syntax doesn't work here either |
| 22:05.43 | _ZeuZ_ | you don't want to help? fine, don't |
| 22:05.44 | enouf | cd into source; $ find . -name 'Kconfig*' | xargs grep -il b43 | xargs grep -il broadcom |
| 22:05.47 | _ZeuZ_ | stop trolling then |
| 22:05.48 | icecubex132Q8_ | any body know how to upgrade kernel? |
| 22:05.48 | wols | but you behave like a fucking ubuntuist |
| 22:05.57 | _ZeuZ_ | Gonna get the full sources back, and compile from there. |
| 22:05.59 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: apt-gte a new kernel image |
| 22:06.08 | enouf | the shit be there |
| 22:06.09 | bsmntbombdood | http://pastebin.ca/1041575 |
| 22:06.17 | _ZeuZ_ | wols: don't troll. Don't want to help? simple, do not respond me and /ignore me |
| 22:06.25 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: thanks |
| 22:07.09 | gravity | ffs |
| 22:07.19 | wols | !info xemacs21-mule |
| 22:07.29 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: whats the newest kernel |
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| 22:07.35 | enouf | icecubex132Q8_: more in depth; apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image-* .. pick the correct one, install it |
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| 22:07.44 | dpkg | xemacs21-mule: (highly customizable text editor -- Mule binary), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4.21-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2050 kB, Installed size: 5848 kB |
| 22:07.45 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: depends on the debian branch you run |
| 22:08.05 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 22:08.13 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: do an apt-get update, then try again. if if doesn't work, pastebin output of apt-cache policy xemacs21 xemacs21-mule |
| 22:08.13 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: what cpu do you have? |
| 22:08.24 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: amd |
| 22:08.26 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: and kernel version is not debian branch |
| 22:08.34 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: more exact |
| 22:08.59 | wols | bsmntbombdood: your sources.list is most probably incomplete/wrong/old |
| 22:09.27 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:09.29 | poseidon | wols, it doesn't show the error for m-a nvidia-glx because it gave me the error on a seperate screen (it was similar to the installation screen, don't know what its called though). |
| 22:10.08 | wols | poseidon: read it again until you understand what I want. you did it before so I know you can do it |
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| 22:10.11 | bsmntbombdood | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1041578 |
| 22:10.40 | wols | bsmntbombdood: what is your sources.list? |
| 22:10.41 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:10.58 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: you run etch. now to your CPU, which one EXACTLY? |
| 22:11.01 | enouf | poseidon: nothing in the factoid mentions m-a nvidia-glx |
| 22:11.22 | wols | that too |
| 22:11.24 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: you meean my cpu? |
| 22:11.31 | bsmntbombdood | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1041579 |
| 22:11.35 | wols | what did I just say icecubex132Q8_? |
| 22:11.37 | HardDisk_WP | re |
| 22:11.39 | jelly-home | icecubex132Q8_: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:12.00 | wols | bsmntbombdood: you do not run testing |
| 22:12.12 | wols | bsmntbombdood: this sources.list is wrong for what you run |
| 22:12.13 | icecubex132Q8_ | jelly-home: model name: Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2600+ |
| 22:12.17 | bsmntbombdood | what? |
| 22:12.26 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: model name: Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2600+ |
| 22:12.31 | enouf | poseidon: however, the nvidia_post_etch factoid does mention "apt-get install nvidia-glx" .. but you should install the one you built , but i'm not certasin |
| 22:12.54 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: you seem to be using testing (lenny). /msg dpkg why is xemacs21 not in testing |
| 22:12.58 | enouf | poseidon: so that would be dpkg -i nvidia-glx-you-built.deb |
| 22:13.09 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: the reason i want to upgrade the kernel because of the stuped pci to rs232 card |
| 22:13.10 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: get the linux-image-686 it will be the same kernel version but a better for your cpu compiled version |
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| 22:13.27 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: what kernel does the stupid card need? |
| 22:13.44 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: w'll it identify my pci to rs232 card |
| 22:13.49 | wols | enouf: long time until he gets to this part. this part not working is what currently frustrates him |
| 22:13.56 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: no |
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| 22:14.11 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: only upgrade the kernel if you KNOW it will better the support of that card |
| 22:14.23 | enouf | wols: ok, i just hope i'm not muddying the waters further ;-) |
| 22:14.28 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: i dont know its not mintiond on the documentation but i tryed every thing and still not eorking |
| 22:14.31 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: what is you actual problem? getting a new kernel isn't it |
| 22:14.36 | wols | enouf: you can't muddy it |
| 22:14.44 | enouf | hehe |
| 22:14.50 | bsmntbombdood | uuuh |
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| 22:14.59 | enouf | murky .. with catfish |
| 22:15.01 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: my problem is getting the card to work |
| 22:15.02 | ricosecada | No recommendations for a commerce solution on a production machine running etch? |
| 22:15.08 | jelly-home | wols: none of his additional serial ports are being detected |
| 22:15.09 | wols | but I wont tell him a 3 or more time what to do now. if he didn't listen the first few times he won't listen now and I get fed up with him not listening or ignoring what is say |
| 22:15.23 | enouf | icecubex132Q8_: please lspci -nn | grep Serial |
| 22:15.34 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: what chip is it. first step to locate a driver for it and see which linux kernel would have it |
| 22:15.54 | wols | enouf: might not be enough. card could be unknown at this point |
| 22:16.12 | enouf | icecubex132Q8_: and show us the links to the URLs that someone else gave you for your caRD |
| 22:16.13 | icecubex132Q8_ | 00:08.0 Serial controller [0700]: NetMos Technology PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller [9710:9835] (rev 01) |
| 22:16.13 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: update-pciids;lspci -nn |grep Serial |
| 22:16.47 | enouf | modprobe parport_serial |
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| 22:17.13 | bsmntbombdood | so how do i get xemacs? |
| 22:17.26 | enouf | icecubex132Q8_: modprobe parport_serial |
| 22:17.47 | icecubex132Q8_ | http://www.moschip.com/data/products/NM/FAQ_98XX.pdf |
| 22:17.59 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: backport it, "/msg dpkg ssb", or get it from unstable |
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| 22:18.12 | wols | bsmntbombdood: xemacs is in etch |
| 22:18.15 | wols | jelly-home: why sid? |
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| 22:18.18 | enouf | that's one .. then there was a ZIP file too, with Linux in the namw |
| 22:18.23 | jelly-home | wols: he's running testing |
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| 22:18.43 | wols | jelly-home: with a 2.3.6 libc6 he is not. he maybe wishes he ran testing but he certainly doesn't |
| 22:18.53 | enouf | O_o |
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| 22:18.59 | poseidon | enouf, I havn't built one. The one you are seeing came with the nvidia-graphics-drivers package |
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| 22:19.18 | jelly-home | wols: I believe what's in sources.list, what dpkg said is just a transient state :-) |
| 22:19.21 | enouf | poseidon: your pastebin shows they are built |
| 22:19.23 | WarriorSlayer | can anyone help me mounting a floppy in write mode? |
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| 22:19.35 | bsmntbombdood | huh? |
| 22:19.50 | enouf | poseidon: er, came with the package? you d/l source only i hope |
| 22:20.04 | WarriorSlayer | i'm trying to mount a floppy trough nautilus and it only mount in RO mode |
| 22:20.11 | wols | jelly-home: I believe what dpkg says. that's what he actually runs. sources.list is only where he looks for packages. and right now he looks in the wrong repos. either he properly upgrades to lenny or he fixes his sources.list. his choice |
| 22:20.13 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1; cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:20.27 | poseidon | enouf, maybe they were built for me then. I will try to install the nvidia-glx package with dpkg |
| 22:20.27 | jelly-home | wols: can't find his dpkg in lastlog |
| 22:20.28 | wols | WarriorSlayer: it's fat right? |
| 22:20.32 | wols | !tell WarriorSlayer about vfatrw |
| 22:20.33 | bsmntbombdood | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:20.33 | bsmntbombdood | lenny/sid |
| 22:20.33 | WarriorSlayer | wols, ywp |
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| 22:20.35 | icecubex132Q8_ | nothing is working |
| 22:20.38 | WarriorSlayer | *ywp |
| 22:20.46 | jelly-home | wols: doesn't look like 2.3.6 |
| 22:20.55 | wols | jelly-home: < bsmntbombdood> wols: http://pastebin.ca/1041579 |
| 22:21.08 | wols | oops |
| 22:21.37 | jelly-home | wols: in any case, it doesn't look like etch _any more_, now |
| 22:21.48 | enouf | this one poseidon http://pastebin.com/d513f3481 |
| 22:22.00 | wols | jelly-home: sorry. was thinking of someone else probably :( |
| 22:22.14 | enouf | wols: look at that pastebin - .. if you care / dare :-P |
| 22:22.21 | wols | jelly-home: I'd still advise etch: he wouldn't need to do a backport, just installing it |
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| 22:22.51 | bsmntbombdood | how do i get it from etch? |
| 22:22.58 | enouf | 358. dpkg-deb: building package `nvidia-glx' in `../nvidia-glx_169.12-4_i386.deb'. |
| 22:23.01 | wols | enouf: I long ago did and told him what to do now several times |
| 22:23.03 | enouf | etc etc |
| 22:23.08 | enouf | ok |
| 22:23.14 | WarriorSlayer | wols, i'm not trying to mount the floppy with fstab, just mounting using nautilus u know |
| 22:23.18 | enouf | throws in the towel .. ;-) |
| 22:23.46 | wols | WarriorSlayer: feel free to ignore the advice givem. I will do likewise then. have a nice day |
| 22:24.08 | WarriorSlayer | @_@ |
| 22:24.22 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: you'd copy all the "deb ..." lines in sources.list once again, and replace testing with stable in the copied once |
| 22:24.41 | wols | main is enough for this case (imho) |
| 22:24.48 | icecubex132Q8_ | :-/ |
| 22:24.51 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: er, not all. just the debian ones |
| 22:25.02 | poseidon | enouf, I got those .debs when I did apt-get install build-essential && apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers && apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 22:25.03 | wols | jelly-home: otherwise he might get a dynamic mmap problem |
| 22:25.11 | jelly-home | wols: easily fixable |
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| 22:25.53 | icecubex132Q8_ | jelly-home: wols : any help? |
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| 22:25.56 | SaEeDIRHA | hi |
| 22:26.04 | SaEeDIRHA | anyone here ever used LADP ? |
| 22:26.28 | SaEeDIRHA | i want to know where the LADP admin password stored? |
| 22:26.48 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: get their driver and read its instructions? |
| 22:27.06 | Orion_X11 | That's a silly question, but how do I change to other channel I am logged in? > Irssi :-) |
| 22:27.45 | cusco | Orion_X11: escape <number> |
| 22:27.45 | Orion_X11 | Does Irssi have a spell checker? |
| 22:27.57 | jelly-home | icecubex132Q8_: have you pastebinned your dmesg already? |
| 22:28.00 | cusco | Escape and 1 or 2 or 3 |
| 22:28.01 | enouf | poseidon: yes, that's called building a deb |
| 22:28.03 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.04 | bsmntbombdood | http://pastebin.ca/1041584 |
| 22:28.05 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: i did follow all the instructions , and they dont have a driver , i can see that i have 2 serial ports more but non of them work |
| 22:28.08 | wols | alt+number another |
| 22:28.21 | icecubex132Q8_ | jelly-home: yes |
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| 22:28.25 | wols | they have instructions how to set it up |
| 22:28.29 | enouf | poseidon: see line 400. joe:/home/joe# ls |
| 22:28.31 | wols | !tell icecubex132Q8_ about doesn't work |
| 22:28.46 | enouf | poseidon: and below, those are your installable .debs |
| 22:29.26 | poseidon | enouf, I know. But what i'm saying is they were there already |
| 22:29.41 | poseidon | They were there before I did dpkg-buildpackage on line 1 |
| 22:30.01 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: what about aptitude install xemacs21-mule? |
| 22:30.02 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: ill try to add sst04 maybe itll work |
| 22:30.10 | wols | bsmntbombdood: you haven't done what jelly told you |
| 22:30.16 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: ttys4 |
| 22:30.21 | enouf | poseidon: then get rid of them - then THOSE were from when you d/l the binary .deb from sid? |
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| 22:30.43 | bsmntbombdood | wols: yes i did... |
| 22:30.49 | superfirelord42 | how long should it take to write a 10GB image? |
| 22:30.56 | superfirelord42 | blank.... |
| 22:30.59 | jelly-home | icecubex132Q8_: case SenSitiviTy is ImpOrtant. ttyS4 is not the same as ttys4 |
| 22:31.15 | bsmntbombdood | jelly-home: aptitude wants to remove stuff that i need |
| 22:31.23 | wols | jelly-home: he probably diN#t give the module the proper parameters and now wonders why it doesn't magically work |
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| 22:31.38 | icecubex132Q8_ | jelly-home: yas i know its may bad :) |
| 22:31.46 | icecubex132Q8_ | Mknod /dev/ttyS4 C 4 68 |
| 22:31.47 | poseidon | enouf, No. I ran the command apt-get install build-essential && apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers && apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers, and then all the nvidia directories, debs and archives were put into the folder you see in ls. |
| 22:31.55 | Posterdati | I got this error with cups on lenny: "Unable to open parallel port device file: Permission denied" |
| 22:31.57 | icecubex132Q8_ | why this line is not correct |
| 22:31.58 | wols | enouf: poseidon probably lied to me before: dpkg -l |grep nvidia didn't show ANY 8776 drivers but suddenly he has the kernel module for this installed |
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| 22:32.05 | jelly-home | bsmntbombdood: ok, it was worth a try though. packages from stable won't work, you can remove the stable lines. do what "/msg dpkg ssb" says |
| 22:32.08 | enouf | wols: likely |
| 22:32.17 | Posterdati | I have got an usb printer that worked fine with early cups versions |
| 22:32.22 | icecubex132Q8_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.28 | enouf | poseidon: then stop contradicting yourself |
| 22:32.29 | bsmntbombdood | good god |
| 22:32.39 | poseidon | enouf, sorry. I'm not purposely doing it |
| 22:32.47 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: cause just typing blindly the same commands as are in that file won't help you. you have to minimally understand what you do before you type it |
| 22:32.50 | enouf | either they were there before, or there after, not both |
| 22:33.13 | wols | jelly-home: why don't they work? |
| 22:33.24 | wols | ah, the removal stuff |
| 22:33.33 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: ok what the hill is c stands for? |
| 22:33.38 | poseidon | enouf, they were there after I did the command I just told you, but before I did dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:33.41 | wols | superfirelord42: depends on the speed of the device you write to |
| 22:33.50 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: huh? |
| 22:34.35 | jelly-home | icecubex132Q8_: stupid question: have you tried googling for NetMos serial linux howto |
| 22:34.43 | wols | character device most probably, what a serial device is |
| 22:35.05 | icecubex132Q8_ | jelly-home: yes i did , |
| 22:35.09 | wols | jelly-home: better ask him if he proprely did what's written in that already existing howto |
| 22:35.23 | wols | like the lspci stuff, and what module parameters he gave modprobe |
| 22:35.25 | enouf | poseidon: erm, apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers does what dpkg-buildpackage does |
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| 22:35.34 | superfirelord42 | wols: its supposed to be a server, HP prolient, hardware raid, raid 5... |
| 22:35.36 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: what module parameters did you give your modprobe line? |
| 22:35.54 | wols | superfirelord42: what has this to do with speed of the drives? |
| 22:35.54 | enouf | poseidon: wanna try again? |
| 22:36.05 | superfirelord42 | do you have a command to test that? |
| 22:36.13 | wols | enouf: that's nice but he already did it and it was a full success |
| 22:36.22 | jelly-home | wols: debian's 8250 driver is built in. if the card is handled by that standard serial driver, he might need to pass parameters at boot |
| 22:36.23 | enouf | wols: cool ;-) |
| 22:36.23 | wols | enouf: and doing it again won't change a bit |
| 22:36.29 | enouf | wols: i see |
| 22:36.32 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: modeprobe parport_serial |
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| 22:36.49 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: read that howto again until your understand why you failed |
| 22:36.56 | poseidon | enouf, O I see. Ok, and I see also that the nvidia package only installs the source. Now I guess I must build the nvidia-kernel as thats what nvidia-glx complains about when I try to install it. |
| 22:37.01 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: you certainly didn't do what it says |
| 22:37.02 | enouf | icecubex132Q8_: are you even running Debian? |
| 22:37.16 | wols | poseidon: bingo |
| 22:37.23 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 22:37.23 | dpkg | i heard \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 22:37.27 | superfirelord42 | wols: thats the hardware behind it, i am worried that the drives are running slower in linux than they should... ill try to look up the exact numbers they are rated at... |
| 22:37.40 | icecubex132Q8_ | take it easy ,,, why are you upset |
| 22:37.55 | wols | superfirelord42: if they run slower it's not a drive problem either. it'd be a driver problem with their controller |
| 22:38.13 | icecubex132Q8_ | i change all the parameters in the howto with mine |
| 22:38.19 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: cause you ask non debian questions in a debian support channel |
| 22:38.26 | poseidon | wols, how do i unzip nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2. I don't know about the bz2 part |
| 22:38.33 | icecubex132Q8_ | but i can see that irq is changing each time i reaboot the pc |
| 22:38.38 | wols | and failing your tasks really badly since you don#t even read documentation |
| 22:38.44 | wols | poseidon: you don't |
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| 22:39.04 | jelly-home | icecubex132Q8_: irq's can change for pci cards, doesn't necessarily mean anything bad |
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| 22:39.11 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: that's bad and shouldn't happen. PCI IRQlines should be fairly constant |
| 22:39.19 | jelly-home | hah |
| 22:39.19 | superfirelord42 | wols, makes sense, i will check for the newest drivers and see if it helps... thanks... |
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| 22:39.30 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: which proliant? |
| 22:39.34 | wols | jelly-home: it does in his case if he has to give them to the modprobe as you can see... |
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| 22:40.09 | superfirelord42 | jelly-home: HP Proliant Server DL360 G5 |
| 22:40.19 | icecubex132Q8_ | man i guess ill keep on googling maybe ill end up with something |
| 22:40.25 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: and which kernel are you running on it? |
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| 22:40.42 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: if you did, then you lied here: < icecubex132Q8_> wols: modeprobe parport_serial |
| 22:40.48 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: uname -r |
| 22:41.03 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: what do you mean |
| 22:41.14 | icecubex132Q8_ | do you want to see my history log |
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| 22:41.36 | wols | I mean you either give us full and truthfull info about what you did or no one can help you |
| 22:42.09 | superfirelord42 | jelly-home: 2.6.22.5-32, let me check the drivers, i googled some stuff and it appears i may have old stuff on there... |
| 22:42.24 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: if you have the low-end controller, it might not have a battery-backed cache. in this case write cache is disabled and you'll see the raid5 write penalty in action |
| 22:42.28 | wols | and once you say you only used modprobe parport_serial and now you said you gave all the parameters with what's applicable in your case. now which is it. only one can be true... |
| 22:42.34 | kantor | hi, somebody would help me with volunteer software development ? details on private |
| 22:42.34 | icecubex132Q8_ | wols: i really appreciate that you are trying to help ..but dont call me lier ,,, |
| 22:42.44 | wols | superfirelord42: the kernel is certainly old stuff :) |
| 22:42.57 | wols | icecubex132Q8_: easy solution: don't lie and contradict yourself |
| 22:43.11 | wols | kantor: how is this debian support related? |
| 22:43.13 | icecubex132Q8_ | i used modprob because (01:17:28 AM) enouf: icecubex132Q8_: modprobe parport_serial |
| 22:43.26 | enouf | :-( modinfo parport_serial doesn't show any parms on my 2.6.16 :-( |
| 22:43.38 | kantor | wols, it's not directly debian related |
| 22:43.48 | superfirelord42 | wols: i may compile a new kernel... |
| 22:44.00 | jelly-home | kantor: try ##linux |
| 22:44.04 | enouf | kantor: you should go ask in something like ##linux .. |
| 22:44.09 | wols | enouf: .16? wow. and serial ports have even on IBM-ATs several different ports and IRQs available,so I'm fairly sure it can have them here too |
| 22:44.20 | wols | kantor: then stop asking it in here please |
| 22:44.21 | superfirelord42 | jelly-home: its not a low end controller, its the high end one HP put in, i dont have the build sheet here and i cannot reboot it atm... |
| 22:44.24 | kantor | ok thanks |
| 22:44.32 | wols | superfirelord42: lspci |
| 22:44.35 | kantor | wols, ok |
| 22:44.50 | enouf | wols: oh yeah - i completely concur, just odd the module parms aren't listed |
| 22:44.58 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: can you install lshw and pastebin its output as well? |
| 22:45.19 | wols | enouf: with a 2.6.16 kernel, whoe knows what other old shit you run. still doing a.out with libc5, right? |
| 22:45.32 | enouf | haha |
| 22:46.11 | enouf | c'mon, even 0.0.1 had serial port support :-P |
| 22:46.44 | wols | but no modinfo :P |
| 22:46.52 | enouf | wols: i forgot to automate my WindowsUpdate :-P |
| 22:46.54 | wols | and no modules of course |
| 22:46.57 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: you can also try and check the raid state with hpacucli. |
| 22:47.07 | superfirelord42 | jelly-home: wols: if the kernels out of date and so is the drivers, let me spend some time with that...you have alot of people trying to get help anyways atm... |
| 22:47.20 | wols | enouf: don't ask what kind of sid I run.... tho I think I dist-upgraded for the ssl bug |
| 22:47.34 | wols | superfirelord42: you run lenny? get a .24 kernel |
| 22:47.36 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: 2.6.22.5-32 is a custom kernel, or you're not running debian |
| 22:47.53 | wols | 2.6.22.5? is this ubuntu? |
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| 22:48.28 | wols | superfirelord42: is this opensuse? |
| 22:48.32 | enouf | wols: same here - that's the latest thing i did, update those packages, and straighten out any old keys and such .. done |
| 22:48.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.27 | wols | jelly-home: if you google the version, first distro specific hit is opensuse 10.3. maybe a dpkg -l libc6 is in order |
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| 22:49.47 | jelly-home | I think 2.6.22 ought to work with a 360G5 machine anyway |
| 22:50.09 | wols | suse's kernel is patched to kingdom come and back |
| 22:50.20 | wols | that thing isn't leeeenux any more, I swear |
| 22:50.31 | enouf | novellwarez |
| 22:50.34 | jelly-home | dunno, I use RHEL :-) |
| 22:50.41 | wols | RHEL is not better :) |
| 22:50.57 | wols | debian has a fairly nice and clean, mostly vanilla source |
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| 22:51.02 | enouf | hunts down jelly-home with a pack of fedoras |
| 22:51.11 | jelly-home | It's better than the crap that passes for vanilla these days |
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| 22:51.21 | enouf | O_o |
| 22:51.22 | wols | shoot him, you can't be sure otherwise enouf |
| 22:51.47 | poseidon | wols, is nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686_1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1_i386.deb the correct debian package to install for the nvidia-kernel? |
| 22:51.59 | wols | poseidon: no. where did you get this? |
| 22:52.17 | poseidon | wols, I'm not sure, I just saw it in the same directory as all the other ones |
| 22:52.42 | centrx | poseidon, why don't you use apt |
| 22:52.43 | wols | you did not |
| 22:52.50 | wols | centrx: he can't |
| 22:52.56 | jelly-home | wols: sounds like something m-a made |
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| 22:53.49 | wols | poseidon: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 22:54.49 | enouf | wols: i think the real trouble started WAY WAY back when he didn't "purge" (and had errors) when he had d/l and installed a binary .deb directly from sid repos (IIRC) |
| 22:55.16 | poseidon | wols, http://pastebin.com/d6e2f7114 |
| 22:55.18 | wols | sid has no 8776 |
| 22:55.34 | enouf | this is prior to him even knowing about doing a ssb |
| 22:55.54 | wols | uninstall and purge the kernel module and the commons |
| 22:56.02 | jelly-home | disappears in the general direction of his bed |
| 22:56.25 | wols | best install all of it and reinstall the 169.12 kernel source. AND SHOW US ALL YOU ARE DOING! ALL ALL ALL! |
| 22:56.27 | enouf | follows close behind .. silently .. with a pillow |
| 22:56.54 | enouf | snuffs out part of that red hat scourge :-P |
| 22:57.24 | jelly-home | superfirelord42: in case you're not aware, http://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T8570AAE |
| 22:57.29 | poseidon | ok, I'm going to run apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-common --purge |
| 22:57.30 | enouf | poseidon: ALL .. as in temp-a-Cheer |
| 22:58.27 | wols | poseidon: you can start with the logging after you purged ALL nvidia packages. best start the logging with a dpkg -l |grep nvidia again to make sure |
| 22:58.37 | wols | and of course if there are errors |
| 22:58.57 | poseidon | wols, tried to purge nvidia-kernel-common and got http://pastebin.com/d6d59abae |
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| 23:00.14 | GuySoft | hey all, after an upgrade , when i plug a network cable to my laptop it beeps all the time - what could be causing this? |
| 23:01.04 | enouf | wols: and poseidon that iU for nvidia-glx is looking ugly, how about you --purge remove that |
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| 23:01.24 | wols | as I said remove tham ALL |
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| 23:01.29 | wols | all includes that one |
| 23:01.39 | wols | it's installed but not configured due to dependencies I guess |
| 23:01.46 | enouf | right |
| 23:02.00 | enouf | Unmet |
| 23:02.25 | wols | poseidon: write all package names in the same apt command |
| 23:02.31 | enouf | poseidon: yep |
| 23:02.34 | wols | better. use dpkg |
| 23:02.38 | wols | not apt |
| 23:02.44 | enouf | dpkg -P nvidia-glx |
| 23:02.44 | dpkg | enouf: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:02.50 | wols | also with all4 packages |
| 23:03.33 | enouf | GuySoft: something about network activity activation in your BIOS? |
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| 23:03.52 | GuySoft | enouf, no, i think its some damon in debian |
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| 23:04.08 | enouf | GuySoft: coming from pcspkr module? see if you have a PC Speak in you alsamixer and mute it |
| 23:04.08 | wols | check logs then |
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| 23:04.28 | poseidon | wols + enouf, dpkg -l |grep nvidia now shows nothing |
| 23:04.51 | wols | vrey good. |
| 23:05.01 | wols | now install the kernel sources with dpkg |
| 23:05.04 | poseidon | should I go ahead and delete all the nvidia files located in the directory? |
| 23:05.06 | enouf | ok, now how about you physically rm the files in your /home |
| 23:05.24 | wols | enouf: if he does he deletes the nvidia install debs... |
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| 23:05.26 | enouf | oh, well .. poseidon , follow wols |
| 23:05.45 | poseidon | btw, I moved them to /usr/src |
| 23:06.04 | wols | no matter, just install the package |
| 23:06.05 | enouf | i thought we meant REALLY from scratch ;-) |
| 23:06.07 | poseidon | ok, going to install nvidia-kernel-source_169.12-4_i386.deb |
| 23:06.31 | poseidon | that went successfully |
| 23:06.45 | enouf | 1 down, 3 to go ? |
| 23:06.47 | wols | m-a build nvidia |
| 23:07.10 | wols | that should flash some stuff about 169.12 and it BETTER NOT download anything 8776 related |
| 23:07.17 | wols | if it does: kill it with prejudice |
| 23:07.37 | poseidon | wols, http://pastebin.com/d139efc8a |
| 23:08.12 | poseidon | and nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 is in the directory |
| 23:08.31 | enouf | there's that nasty 8776 again, lmao |
| 23:08.46 | poseidon | 8776, ? |
| 23:10.04 | poseidon | O, the version |
| 23:10.24 | poseidon | wols, how about I delete the .debs and restart. |
| 23:10.25 | enouf | poseidon: find . /usr/src -name '8776' |
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| 23:10.40 | enouf | ahhhgfgf |
| 23:10.44 | enouf | poseidon: find /usr/src -name '8776' |
| 23:10.54 | enouf | poseidon: find /usr/src -name '*8776*' |
| 23:11.00 | wols | delete those /usr/src/8776 directories |
| 23:11.11 | enouf | erm, debs and dirs |
| 23:12.49 | wols | there shouldn't be a deb |
| 23:13.02 | poseidon | wols, ok, I deleted it |
| 23:13.05 | wols | poseidon: the dpkg -l output again |
| 23:13.09 | wols | just to check |
| 23:14.11 | extor | Is there a way to run X applications on my remote web server, by sshing to it with the -X switch and then just launching a KDE or gnome app from the shell? Or will it complain about not having an X server installed? |
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| 23:15.26 | xand | extor: yes, it'll use your local X server... should work |
| 23:15.57 | extor | And is there any way to detach that X app temporarily, like you detach screen sessions? |
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| 23:17.21 | extor | what I want to do actually is run firefox on my remote web server, while binding it to the various IP addresses available on it to be able to download rapidshare links |
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| 23:19.05 | poseidon | wols, it says ii nvidia-kernel-source now |
| 23:19.28 | poseidon | should I remove it? |
| 23:20.22 | enouf | poseidon: it's all about versions man |
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| 23:20.38 | poseidon | ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.12-4 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 23:20.46 | enouf | that's fine |
| 23:20.59 | poseidon | enouf, should I remove it? |
| 23:21.05 | enouf | no |
| 23:21.20 | poseidon | enouf, now what should I do? |
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| 23:22.06 | wols | that is what we want. this is the file m-a needs to compile for us |
| 23:22.09 | enouf | poseidon: i think run m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia .. but hang around for a few minutes |
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| 23:22.20 | wols | do what enouf said |
| 23:22.40 | wols | just check it doesn't download and install that shitty 87.76. That's the enemy |
| 23:22.45 | ninjaslim | if anyone is running KDE 4.1 from the experimental branch, have you noticed any massive slowodwns where the system is reduced to a crawl |
| 23:22.52 | poseidon | It's building kernel source now |
| 23:23.49 | enouf | poseidon: ok, for your listening pleasure; m-a a-i == module-assistant auto-install |
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| 23:24.17 | wols | poseidon: 169.12? |
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| 23:26.36 | poseidon | ok, this is what I got http://pastebin.com/d54089fd3 |
| 23:26.55 | poseidon | wols, yes. Is that not the right version? |
| 23:27.17 | wols | poseidon: looks like it. install the glx package now |
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| 23:28.08 | poseidon | wols, ok. But the last line confuses me. Wasn't Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686 (1.0.8776-4+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) ... what we didn't want. |
| 23:29.15 | owen1 | installed bare-bone debian (netinst.iso, no desktop manager). where is my sources.list file? |
| 23:29.23 | wols | fuck fuck fuck. it took the 8776 again :( |
| 23:29.31 | poseidon | owen1, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:29.38 | owen1 | poseidon: thanks |
| 23:29.42 | poseidon | owen1, /msg dpkg sources |
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| 23:30.02 | wols | remove kernel module and commons package right now |
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| 23:30.20 | wols | also delete the sources in /usr/src/ for it again *sigh* |
| 23:30.23 | wols | sorry |
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| 23:30.38 | enouf | yikes, poseidon do this dpkg -l nvidia ; dpkg -P them all again .. then pastebin output of ls -l /usr/src .. did you move ALL files there from your old /joe/blow/home/blah/bla ? |
| 23:31.14 | wols | I guess the "m-a get" part was wrong. we should only do the build one |
| 23:31.17 | poseidon | enouf, yes |
| 23:31.18 | enouf | it's looking for the source tarball, can't find it, so d/l and installs the .18 8667 crap |
| 23:31.49 | wols | also "m-a purge nvidia" before running m-a again |
| 23:31.51 | poseidon | wols, do you want me to remove the nvidia-kernel-source as well? |
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| 23:32.34 | wols | poseidon: that can stay |
| 23:35.48 | poseidon | wols, ok I removed it all |
| 23:36.08 | poseidon | Should I delete nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 as well? |
| 23:36.14 | wols | the kernel source you need installed before running any m-a |
| 23:36.25 | wols | yes delete it |
| 23:36.31 | pythonic | does gpg encrypt from stdin to stdout without creating a temporary file? |
| 23:36.43 | wols | and run m-a purge nvidia |
| 23:37.02 | poseidon | wols, I did |
| 23:37.03 | wols | then install the 169.12 kerenel sources and do a m-a build nvidia |
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| 23:37.39 | poseidon | wols, were do i get the 169 kernel sources? |
| 23:38.05 | wols | you have the .deb |
| 23:38.10 | wols | or did you delete that too? |
| 23:38.11 | poseidon | and dpkg -l says they are already installed |
| 23:38.21 | poseidon | wols, I deleted it as well |
| 23:38.35 | wols | that is bad. now you have to do dpkg-buildpackage again |
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| 23:40.23 | poseidon | wols, ok, I built and installed the .deb |
| 23:41.22 | zamaliphe | can i play flv files on debian without converting them to mpg ? |
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| 23:42.31 | greeg | hi |
| 23:42.34 | superfirelord42 | zamaliphe: yes |
| 23:42.40 | defrysk | zamaliphe, try gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg |
| 23:42.53 | defrysk | zamaliphe, and play it in totem |
| 23:42.54 | wols | poseidon: use m-a build now (and pray) |
| 23:43.15 | greeg | im configuring xine. my dvd drive is not listed under dmesg, but it is under /etc/fstab. why? |
| 23:43.22 | superfirelord42 | defrysk: i was going to tell him to get vlc, but that works to, hehe |
| 23:43.26 | poseidon | m-a build nvidia-kernel? (should I run prepare first? |
| 23:43.41 | greeg | how did fstab know in the first place if dmesg didnt ? just curious |
| 23:43.45 | extor | Is there any way to install iceweasel on my remote web server without installing the X server itself? |
| 23:44.01 | extor | Just so I can run it locally |
| 23:44.19 | poseidon | wols, build nvidia or nvidia-kernel? |
| 23:44.21 | zamaliphe | defrysk: thanks i will try it now |
| 23:44.45 | wols | nvidia |
| 23:44.50 | defrysk | greeg, fstab is a configuration file and knows nothing |
| 23:45.49 | poseidon | wols, "The source tarball could not be found! \nPackage nvidia-kernel-source not installed?" |
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| 23:47.16 | owen1 | is there a way to find the repository of a specific package? |
| 23:47.25 | poseidon | wols, then "Running "m-a -f get nvidia-kernel-source" may help. find: /usr/src/modules/nvidia*: No such file or directory" |
| 23:47.40 | defrysk | owen1, apt-cache policy foo |
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| 23:48.08 | owen1 | defrysk: nice |
| 23:48.55 | defrysk | owen1, only effective if you have the repo in your sources.list |
| 23:48.58 | owen1 | defrysk: it's a package i can't find on apt-get.. |
| 23:49.12 | poseidon | owen1, check pdo |
| 23:49.26 | poseidon | owen1, what package? |
| 23:49.29 | superfirelord42 | if he only wants one package, why not just download it and dpkg -i? |
| 23:49.31 | owen1 | poseidon: awesome |
| 23:49.50 | owen1 | poseidon: (it's a lightwight window manager) |
| 23:50.36 | owen1 | superfirelord42: can i download it in terminal with no browser? |
| 23:50.40 | poseidon | owen1, make sure you look at the dependencies though. |
| 23:51.12 | owen1 | is there a website that tells the repository of each package? |
| 23:51.16 | Vutral | lol |
| 23:51.26 | Vutral | ntpd isn|t working |
| 23:51.28 | Vutral | on amd64 |
| 23:51.30 | Vutral | stil |
| 23:51.42 | Vutral | never synches |
| 23:51.43 | wols | poseidon: sorry but I need to go to bed. it's 2am here |
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| 23:51.56 | Vutral | 2am |
| 23:51.57 | poseidon | wols, np. Thanks for you help |
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| 23:52.00 | Vutral | its 01 50 here |
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| 23:52.08 | n-iCe | hello |
| 23:52.10 | Vutral | what timezone ar you wols |
| 23:52.13 | poseidon | 7:57 here |
| 23:52.21 | n-iCe | I downloaded one from here, but looks like not a bootable cd http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:52.23 | defrysk | wols is in europe |
| 23:52.24 | n-iCe | why? are updated or what? |
| 23:52.43 | poseidon | owen1, are you using a fresh install? |
| 23:52.47 | Vutral | someone repair ntpd |
| 23:52.53 | n-iCe | which one should I download for install?? |
| 23:53.03 | owen1 | poseidon: yes. netinst.iso |
| 23:53.31 | poseidon | owen1, etch |
| 23:53.33 | n-iCe | and if I am using intel centrino should I Download the i368 version? |
| 23:53.59 | owen1 | poseidon: how do i see the version? |
| 23:54.11 | defrysk | the business card iso automagically selects the correct kernel |
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| 23:54.18 | superfirelord42 | owen1: yes, wget http://URL/TO/PACKAGE.deb will download it... |
| 23:54.21 | defrysk | otherwise go for i686 |
| 23:54.36 | owen1 | poseidon: uname only say 'Linux' |
| 23:54.50 | n-iCe | defrysk, me? |
| 23:54.55 | defrysk | yes |
| 23:55.21 | n-iCe | defrysk, which one? [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch] |
| 23:55.27 | owen1 | superfirelord42: got it. now i just need to find the deb.. |
| 23:55.27 | defrysk | n-iCe, but you can always get the correct kernel later too |
| 23:55.28 | n-iCe | I am using intel core 2 dup |
| 23:55.36 | defrysk | i386 |
| 23:55.42 | defrysk | ow |
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| 23:55.59 | n-iCe | ok, now what version, cuz i downloaded the cd number 20 and is not booting why |
| 23:56.08 | defrysk | actually dont know then |
| 23:56.10 | defrysk | :s |
| 23:56.21 | poseidon | owen1, You are probably going to want to make sure you have etch installed. (you are probably not going to want to have the unstable/testing versionns if your new to debian. |
| 23:56.38 | defrysk | needs sleep too , it 2 here too |
| 23:56.42 | owen1 | poseidon: agree, how do i check the version? |
| 23:56.45 | poseidon | owen1, also are you using xfce, what window manager are you looking to install? |
| 23:56.53 | poseidon | owen1, to be honest, I'm not sure |
| 23:57.09 | n-iCe | uhm |
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| 23:57.23 | n-iCe | debian-40r3-i386-CD-20.iso 17-Feb-2008 13:04 648M |
| 23:57.23 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.25 | owen1 | poseidon: i don't want desktop environment (gnome/xfce/kde) i want awesome window manager. |
| 23:57.41 | owen1 | poseidon: it's light and awesome.. |
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| 23:58.13 | superfirelord42 | owen1: have you located the .deb? |
| 23:58.34 | poseidon | owen1, vim /etc/debian_version (use :q to quit |
| 23:58.38 | owen1 | superfirelord42: havn't search for it yet. one sec. |
| 23:59.10 | poseidon | owen1, It should say 4.0 if you have etch |
| 23:59.38 | owen1 | poseidon: version 4. |
| 23:59.45 | owen1 | poseidon: is it stable? |
| 23:59.48 | poseidon | owen1, yes |
| 23:59.53 | owen1 | poseidon: nime |
| 23:59.57 | owen1 | poseidon: nice |
