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| 00:00.47 | peterS | sysop2: I don't know of a way to get what you want, though. you can get total bandwidth by monitoring something like '/sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:00.50 | sysop2 | peters there is nothing for real time stats? |
| 00:00.55 | astronaute | well it wont install :/ |
| 00:01.04 | abrotman | sysop2: ntop or jnettop maybe ? |
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| 00:01.13 | peterS | sysop2: try ntop, see if that has any stats, I don't remember if it does or not |
| 00:01.19 | sysop2 | thanks both of you guys. |
| 00:01.20 | astronaute | you said etch have java already ? how to know it version please ? |
| 00:01.28 | abrotman | astronaute: aptitude update && apt-cache search jdk |
| 00:01.44 | sysop2 | I knew someone here would know the answer |
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| 00:04.11 | astronaute | thank you abrotman it worked with aptitude :) |
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| 00:05.04 | klhrevolutionist | mount vroot.img vroot -o loop mount: mount point vroot does not exist |
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| 00:06.44 | klhrevolutionist | /debhelper help |
| 00:06.58 | klhrevolutionist | /Chanserv help |
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| 00:07.08 | klhrevolutionist | /ChanServ HELP |
| 00:07.12 | klhrevolutionist | wtf.. |
| 00:07.17 | peterS | klhrevolutionist: /msg chanserv help |
| 00:07.25 | klhrevolutionist | of course.. |
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| 00:07.31 | sysop2 | just installed jnettop thats exactly what I need, #debian rocks as usual. |
| 00:07.33 | peterS | klhrevolutionist: though what are you trying to do? chanserv doesn't have services for most ordinary users, maybe you want nickserv? |
| 00:07.42 | curtmack | okay, so apparently kpackage sucks? |
| 00:07.56 | curtmack | it just crashed my box |
| 00:08.02 | klhrevolutionist | peterS: I'm trying to mount this file: mount vroot.img vroot -o loop mount: mount point vroot does not exist |
| 00:08.05 | curtmack | with the strangest and frankly scariest error message ever |
| 00:08.18 | peterS | klhrevolutionist: I doubt ChanServ will be able to help you much with that question, to be honest |
| 00:08.32 | Nyle | vroot is not a mount point |
| 00:08.42 | peterS | klhrevolutionist: anyway, you want to 'mkdir vroot' first |
| 00:08.45 | Nyle | try mkdir /vroot or ~/vroot and mount there |
| 00:08.56 | Nyle | or current dire if you want |
| 00:08.58 | peterS | vroot totally looks like a Dutch word |
| 00:08.58 | h2k_ | no idea on mouse/keyboard dying on sid's latest X? |
| 00:08.59 | sysop2 | curtmack, I still use dselect |
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| 00:09.02 | Nyle | makes a dirty system |
| 00:09.04 | Nyle | ick |
| 00:09.10 | Nyle | peterS: whats up man |
| 00:09.19 | abrotman | sysop2: that's just wrong |
| 00:09.24 | peterS | Nyle: dunno, just chillin, looking out for that stoned troll |
| 00:09.27 | klhrevolutionist | I'm trying to follow these directions: http://vmlinux.org/twiki/bin/view/Bazaar/BootstrapDebian?CGISESSID=a6675b9b7ba8c7467beff3a8c26115dd |
| 00:09.27 | sysop2 | why? |
| 00:09.35 | Nyle | peterS: yeh heh |
| 00:09.38 | curtmack | sysop2: I have two devices full of packages. No list, just a mass of packages. Can dselect handle that? |
| 00:09.53 | sysop2 | I know I need to switch to aptitude, but I like dselect |
| 00:09.55 | curtmack | in my experience dselect requires a list file of some sort |
| 00:10.22 | curtmack | and I can't get aptitude to work at all, just keeps complaining that it can't find the mirror servers (which well it shouldn't, since that computer isn't online) |
| 00:10.34 | curtmack | but it goes something like this |
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| 00:11.11 | sysop2 | I would make a script to make a list file from the directory listing. but I would listen to the #debian ops |
| 00:11.12 | curtmack | Aptitude: I CAN'T FIND MY SERVERS! Me: Umm... that's okay, all the packages I want to install are on this CD. Aptitude: But I CAN'T FIND MY SERVERS! Me: *sigh* |
| 00:11.40 | Varange | hi. How do I change the domain that a box is in? e.g. from foo.com to foo.net? |
| 00:11.46 | curtmack | anyway yeah, my box is currently hanging on a lovely mess of ASCII |
| 00:11.58 | curtmack | I have it all written down on my hands if anyone's interested |
| 00:12.00 | asg | Varange: man hostname |
| 00:12.06 | Varange | asg, thx |
| 00:12.13 | abrotman | curtmack: drop them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 00:12.29 | curtmack | abrotman: I'll try that. |
| 00:12.50 | peterS | right or just use the direct method, 'dpkg --unpack foo.deb ...; aptitude -f install' |
| 00:12.51 | curtmack | as for the current state of my comp, are there any ideas to restore normal operation or should I just hard boot it? |
| 00:13.11 | curtmack | peterS: I have like 77 packages I want to install |
| 00:13.47 | Varange | another thing: I get the dreaded: [warn] NameVirtualHost 202.191.43.2:0 has no VirtualHosts ... how to fix this? |
| 00:14.05 | curtmack | hmm |
| 00:14.07 | curtmack | I have a thought |
| 00:14.27 | peterS | curtmack: you can always comment out the extra bits in sources.list and 'aptitude update'. if copying to /var/cache/apt/archives/ doesn't do the trick |
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| 00:15.01 | jm|laptop | anyone one sid find AutoRepeat no longer works? |
| 00:15.20 | curtmack | well my computer is still functioning |
| 00:15.29 | curtmack | I just can't make it do anything |
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| 00:15.44 | curtmack | I only know it's still functioning because it made "I'm doing something!" noises when I pulled out my stick drive |
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| 00:15.49 | Varange | functioning means it IS doing something, not? |
| 00:15.58 | curtmack | yeah, but I can't make it do anything |
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| 00:16.14 | curtmack | my user interface is currently a mess of seemingly meaningless ASCII |
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| 00:16.19 | Varange | my computer won't make coffee either :( |
| 00:16.32 | curtmack | and my keyboard and mouse don't appear to have any function |
| 00:16.32 | asg | curtmack: type 'reset' and see if that helps |
| 00:16.38 | curtmack | I'll try that |
| 00:16.39 | peterS | I hope your stick drive doesn't make noises too |
| 00:16.40 | itrebal | I'm reading through the Exim configuration file, and I keep seeing things like "DEBCONFsomethingehereDEBCONF" - any ideas what that is? |
| 00:16.43 | Varange | try the reset button |
| 00:16.45 | peterS | 'cause that would indicate a pretty weird situation |
| 00:16.58 | slaq | anyone know a good way to keep multiple debian hosts in sync, package-wise? i do not really want to dist-upgrade them to the latest and greatest all the time but instead only spread packages that have been tested on a "master host"... any sysadmins around? :) |
| 00:17.01 | amphi | curtmack: try ctrl-v ctrl-o [enter] |
| 00:17.17 | asg | itrebal: they are macro definitions that are replaced by answers provided by dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:17.23 | Varange | itrebal, that's probably the debian configurator putting stuff there |
| 00:17.38 | Varange | exim4-config |
| 00:17.41 | Varange | oh ok |
| 00:17.45 | itrebal | asg: in other words, if I back them up I can remove them? |
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| 00:17.50 | curtmack | typing reset didn't do anything, and I don't think my computer has a reset button |
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| 00:17.57 | curtmack | actually I know it doesn't |
| 00:18.03 | Varange | curtmack, does it have a power cord? |
| 00:18.05 | itrebal | curtmack: try pushing/holding the power button |
| 00:18.11 | curtmack | well yeah, I know that |
| 00:18.16 | Varange | lol |
| 00:18.25 | curtmack | I was just thinking if there were any other possibilities |
| 00:18.29 | curtmack | since it is still running and all |
| 00:18.33 | Varange | so how do I fix the Apache [warn] NameVirtualHost 202.191.43.2:0 has no VirtualHosts thing? |
| 00:18.58 | curtmack | is there an X equivalent to ctrl-alt-delete? |
| 00:19.20 | curtmack | or some other "make this application go bye bye" keystroke |
| 00:19.21 | itrebal | Ctrl Alt Backspace will kill X |
| 00:19.26 | itrebal | Alt F4 I think works |
| 00:19.31 | curtmack | I'll try those |
| 00:19.34 | curtmack | in reverse order |
| 00:19.41 | asg | itrebal: you should be able to. At the very worse, you can reinstall the package and get the missing config files (/msg dpkg confmiss) |
| 00:19.58 | dalias | the xkill command |
| 00:20.02 | CakerX | how do I get ssl working with apache, I enabled mod ssl |
| 00:20.07 | dalias | good window managers have a 'kill' option in the per-window menu |
| 00:20.12 | itrebal | yea, alright; thanks |
| 00:20.20 | dalias | if not, running xkill manually will let you kill a window |
| 00:20.26 | dalias | (forcibly destroy it) |
| 00:20.38 | dalias | this does not necessarily kill the process |
| 00:20.48 | dalias | for that you should open a shell and use the normal kill command |
| 00:21.06 | dalias | xkill just severs the client's connection to X and destroys all its resources |
| 00:21.09 | Varange | curtmack, is it just with the GUI stuff taht you have probs? the CLI works fine? |
| 00:21.18 | peterS | and eats its babies |
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| 00:24.04 | itrebal | oh mythis is so confusing :P |
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| 00:24.30 | Varange | there's a debian command to restart a daemon instead of going /etc/init.d/whatever restart. What is it please? |
| 00:24.46 | asg | Varange: invoke-rc.d |
| 00:25.05 | Varange | asg, thx |
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| 00:26.10 | peterS | invoke-rc.d doesn't really save any typing, the main point of it is for scripts to call in order to only start or stop a daemon if the local admin has set a policy allowing this. (thus you can override the packaging scripts or whatever, if you want.) |
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| 00:26.24 | peterS | since invoke-rc.d checks to see if the daemon _should_ be run in the current runlevel |
| 00:26.37 | bigmatt | umm i'm wondering what's the best and easiest way to get windows users to send files to a debian box? i was thinking either samba or ftp, but maybe there's something else i can't find |
| 00:27.08 | peterS | bigmatt: samba works very well, in my experience |
| 00:27.30 | bigmatt | so a simple apt-get install samba would be all i need? of course i need to configure it hehe :) |
| 00:27.54 | peterS | bigmatt: if you want the sort of thing where a user submits a file for processing, a samba-based print queue might work. I've used that to set up a frontend for a PDF generator so people didn't have to buy Adobe Acrobat, way back when |
| 00:28.01 | mmlj4 | bigmatt: do they have shells? winscp works |
| 00:28.10 | bigmatt | they'd rather not use a shell lol |
| 00:28.19 | Varange | peterS, ahhh yes, that makes sense |
| 00:28.25 | bigmatt | but ya thx guys i guess i'll look more into samba |
| 00:28.27 | peterS | bigmatt: winscp doesn't require using the shell - it just requires the shell to be _accessible_, so that winscp itself can use it |
| 00:28.29 | mmlj4 | i mean do they have accounts? winscp is just like an ftp client |
| 00:28.36 | bigmatt | ahh I see |
| 00:28.41 | bigmatt | ya they have accounts |
| 00:28.54 | mmlj4 | no config needed then |
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| 00:29.09 | peterS | mmlj4: well except password management if you don't have single sign on |
| 00:29.30 | mmlj4 | but why are they putting files on the linux box? are these web files? |
| 00:29.42 | peterS | ideally you want something that uses NTLM auth, which I'm not sure you can get with ssh. with NTLM the user's workstation caches his login password and reuses it, essentially, so the user doesn't have to type one |
| 00:29.54 | bigmatt | nice |
| 00:29.58 | peterS | samba supports NTLM by letting you join the NT domain |
| 00:30.07 | peterS | just like any windows workstation would do |
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| 00:30.12 | bigmatt | I see very nice |
| 00:30.22 | peterS | that requires a bit of setup and access to the 'domain admins' account, though |
| 00:30.29 | Solet | hey where would i find logs that might tell me why a box just randomly hung? |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | Solet: does it crash ? |
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| 00:30.52 | peterS | Solet: /var/log/messages if anything. but a box that _completely_ hangs might hang before it gets the chance to write that file |
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| 00:31.01 | bigmatt | thx again guys see you later :) |
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| 00:36.03 | Solet | what's "ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF]" "ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PWRB]" |
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| 00:36.20 | Solet | is it saying the power button was pressed? because.. it wasnt |
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| 00:41.40 | abrotman | Solet: probably just loading the module |
| 00:42.19 | curtmack | peterS: Where's sources.list? |
| 00:42.29 | peterS | curtmack: /etc/apt/ |
| 00:42.32 | curtmack | k |
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| 00:43.48 | foug | is there anyway to make X and KDE start automatically? I did a netinstall of debian, should i just do a full CD? |
| 00:43.59 | asg | foug: install kdm |
| 00:44.27 | foug | asg: what is that? |
| 00:44.42 | curtmack | it's a package |
| 00:44.42 | Maxdamantus | foug, desktop manager. |
| 00:44.49 | curtmack | yeah that |
| 00:44.50 | asg | foug: the KDE display manager. It gives you a nice login prompt |
| 00:45.27 | Maxdamantus | Am I able to use apt to install directly into a directory other than "/"? |
| 00:46.25 | foug | asg: Maxdamantus: "unable to fetch some archives" is what it tells. Seems there is a problem with the repository? |
| 00:47.00 | abrotman | you can manually unpack a .deb |
| 00:47.11 | Maxdamantus | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 00:47.24 | foug | i'm trying to do it through apt-get |
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| 00:47.55 | asg | foug: yes, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.lst will give you an example if your sources are incorrect. Don't forget to run 'apt-get update' after making changes. |
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| 00:48.34 | sputnick | hi there |
| 00:48.37 | sputnick | I've made a script to make a list of services in runlevels for debian http://pastealacon.com/59 but I have an unknow problem, the /etc/rc0.d is not listing... |
| 00:48.38 | curtmack | I don't remember what my other problem was |
| 00:48.39 | curtmack | enver mind |
| 00:48.51 | curtmack | oh wait, I do remember |
| 00:49.11 | foug | hmmm, asg, it seems i can't install anything. apt-upgrade and apt-get xchat both give me similar errors |
| 00:49.22 | curtmack | but it's more of a KDE-specific problem |
| 00:49.29 | foug | o, my network cable is unplugged, sorry for my lack of common sense, lol |
| 00:49.54 | amphi | foug: heh |
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| 00:57.39 | pythonic | hi! does nginx in etch not support ssl? |
| 00:58.05 | abrotman | !depends nginx etch |
| 00:58.11 | dpkg | nginx: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
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| 00:58.24 | pythonic | so, no. |
| 00:58.33 | pythonic | :-/ |
| 00:58.46 | Varange | when a user accesses my computer through SSH, I want the system to display his home directory by default, and not the root directory. How do I do this? |
| 00:59.07 | pythonic | fairly important feature for a reverse proxy, no? |
| 00:59.22 | mzuverink | Hi, this is a newbie question, I have a debian server w/ apache2 on it, and want to somehow get content into the /var/www/ dir, specifically an index.html file. Proftpd wont allow a root login, what is the proper way to do this? |
| 00:59.23 | sputnick | my script is ok, but not on all services. networking service is wrong, the script doesn't see runlevel 0 |
| 00:59.28 | pythonic | time to compile from source then. |
| 00:59.43 | curtmack | okay, reeeally stupid question |
| 00:59.56 | curtmack | If I'm commenting out a line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:59.59 | curtmack | what's the comment character? |
| 01:00.01 | hexmode | mzuverink: set apache to look somewhere that proftpd will let you upload content to |
| 01:00.06 | Varange | mzuverink, the common way is to have a public_html directory under the user's home directory, and to use that |
| 01:00.08 | hexmode | and don't use prftpd |
| 01:00.14 | hexmode | use sftp |
| 01:00.21 | hexmode | (and openssh) |
| 01:00.43 | mzuverink | hexmode, i use openshh, whats the advantage of sftp? |
| 01:00.49 | Varange | mzuverink, yes, and use sftp, which is FTP through a SSH tunnel |
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| 01:01.05 | Varange | mzuverink, FTP has security issues |
| 01:01.17 | mzuverink | Varange, terribly new to all this I appreciate you help |
| 01:01.31 | Varange | mzuverink, SFTP uses openSSH |
| 01:01.46 | mzuverink | Varange, kk |
| 01:01.47 | Varange | mzuverink, can you SSH to your box> |
| 01:01.48 | Varange | ? |
| 01:02.08 | mzuverink | Varange, yes |
| 01:02.16 | curtmack | what character(s) do I use to comment out a line in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:02.18 | Varange | ok, then you can use SFTP |
| 01:02.30 | namit | i have been searching thru my system for vunrabilities and wondering would process lets day /proc/1895/attr/exec being -rw- for everyone be a vunrability? |
| 01:02.32 | Varange | mzuverink, are you on a windows or a linux box? |
| 01:02.40 | mzuverink | Varange, what ftpd do I need installed? |
| 01:02.54 | mzuverink | Varange, linux on both boxes |
| 01:02.59 | Varange | mzuverink, you don't need ftpd at all |
| 01:03.02 | JordiGH | Is there any way that rebooting should recognise a wireless card that isn't seemingly recognised so far? |
| 01:03.08 | Varange | mzuverink, you use sftp instead |
| 01:03.14 | Varange | brb |
| 01:03.18 | mzuverink | Varange, ok, checking this all out now |
| 01:03.21 | JordiGH | Also, if modprobing the wireless module works, does that mean that Linux sees the card? |
| 01:03.27 | mzuverink | Varange, thankyou! |
| 01:03.54 | amphi | JordiGH: if ifconfig -a shows the interface, 'linux sees the card' |
| 01:04.25 | JeremyK | another way to check is to look at 'dmesg' |
| 01:05.07 | JordiGH | Oh well. They're rebooting. |
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| 01:05.23 | JordiGH | Let's see if they come back online through a wireless connection. |
| 01:05.50 | JordiGH | This is her third wireless card. She's really gone the distance to get wireless working with free drivers. :-/ |
| 01:06.04 | CakerX | does debian have a wiki? |
| 01:06.16 | foug | asg: so kdm will take away the slow booting and convert it to a gui |
| 01:06.16 | JordiGH | CakerX: A bunch. For what topic? |
| 01:06.20 | pythonic | debian is web 2.0 compliant |
| 01:06.29 | CakerX | SSL on apache |
| 01:06.41 | CakerX | using 4.0r1 |
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| 01:07.18 | JordiGH | There's probably an Apache wiki for Debian. |
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| 01:07.58 | Varange | mzuverink, working? |
| 01:08.25 | CakerX | meh, I've been looking |
| 01:09.04 | mzuverink | Varange, yeah |
| 01:09.09 | mzuverink | Thanks |
| 01:09.21 | Varange | mzuverink, and the public_html thing? |
| 01:09.28 | JordiGH | wiki.debian.org/Apache is my guess. My internets are broken, so I can't really check. |
| 01:09.41 | CakerX | oh, heh why didn't you just say so |
| 01:10.29 | mzuverink | Varange, just fine, thanks |
| 01:10.39 | Varange | cool, have fun. |
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| 01:16.19 | JordiGH | This is a pci card you plug in on the laptop's side. |
| 01:16.23 | JordiGH | lspci should list it, right? |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | that's called pcmcia :) |
| 01:17.04 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:17.04 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 01:17.20 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 01:17.36 | CakerX | ok, it works |
| 01:17.55 | JordiGH | I can't believe you gave me a smiley face instead of telling me how much of an idiot I am. |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | implied :) |
| 01:18.20 | JordiGH | Ah, thanks. |
| 01:18.25 | JordiGH | I was feeling unloved for a second. |
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| 01:22.04 | dawk | anyone care to share a screenshot of their desktop? |
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| 01:22.28 | JeremyK | mine's boring. |
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| 01:22.39 | CakerX | w00t ssl works |
| 01:22.44 | JordiGH | dawk: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/manchego.png |
| 01:22.46 | dawk | JeremyK: any look will do. |
| 01:22.48 | foug | I installed Debian using a netinstall and have been using it for a few days now. I am now getting the error "Invalid boot Diskette, please insert into drive A:" |
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| 01:22.54 | danderson | Is this the correct channel for asking stupid newbie questions about creating Debian packages? |
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| 01:23.18 | JordiGH | danderson: Try #debian-devel in OFTC. But very simple questions may be ok. |
| 01:23.22 | abrotman | !mentor |
| 01:23.22 | dpkg | i heard mentor is i heard mentor is tarzeau's hero, and, also, the one mumbling to himself in the corner (stay away from him). He can't type. and he hates PDF files, especially badly written ones (hear that QDI!). The name is an ironic comment an his ability (or maybe yours) for the uninitiated. grammatically conscious. No, not the Hacker's Manifesto either. |
| 01:23.23 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 01:23.23 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 01:23.24 | JeremyK | well, my desktop isn't even debian, or *nix at all, so yea, it's very boring |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | there we go |
| 01:23.37 | danderson | abrotman: thanks. |
| 01:23.39 | danderson | JordiGH: thanks also. |
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| 01:23.55 | dawk | JordiGH: is that lenny? |
| 01:24.02 | JordiGH | dawk: That's etch. |
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| 01:24.36 | JordiGH | dawk: A customised etch, but etch nonetheless. |
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| 01:25.27 | JordiGH | manchego is a Mexican cheese name. I named all the computers in my little etch network with cheese names. I like cheese. :-) |
| 01:25.32 | abrotman | so not etch ? :) |
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| 01:26.19 | JordiGH | Well, it's all etch packages except for the Beryl package made for etch. |
| 01:26.28 | amphi | JordiGH: manchego is a spanish cheese name ;) |
| 01:26.44 | JordiGH | amphi: Not the way we make it here. ;-) |
| 01:26.56 | onyma | hello, does anyone know if there's any good reason to keep a swap partition around? I've got 2GB RAM and "free" always reports swap use as 0, but ... when I didn't have a swap partition, I run testing and update the system fairly regularly. Could the freezes have been just a coincidence? |
| 01:27.15 | amphi | JordiGH: perhaps not - I've had some delicious manchego in .es though |
| 01:27.26 | debianito | manchego is a spanish cheese no mexican |
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| 01:27.47 | pipeline | onyma: tmpfs, hibernate, crash dumps |
| 01:28.07 | onyma | pipeline: huh? |
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| 01:28.18 | JordiGH | debianito: It's been appropriated, I'm afraid. All your cheese are belong to us. |
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| 01:28.41 | pipeline | onyma: reasons to keep swap |
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| 01:28.58 | namit | if a process file in /proc is world writable can that be exploted ? |
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| 01:29.06 | Azerthoth | okay I have been away from debian for too long, I just had to alias emerge to apt-get install |
| 01:29.08 | curtmack | okay |
| 01:29.11 | curtmack | trying to use aptitude |
| 01:29.16 | RAVTUX | what is the command for the terminal to update to Opera 9.5? |
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| 01:29.28 | JordiGH | RAVTUX: Opera isn't in Debian. |
| 01:29.28 | streuner | !opera |
| 01:29.28 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt> |
| 01:29.29 | curtmack | I have a bunch of .deb packages in, say, /home/curtmack/usb |
| 01:29.46 | onyma | pipeline: thanks... do you know why free would perpetually report zero use? |
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| 01:29.49 | curtmack | /home/curtmack/usb/ I mean |
| 01:29.55 | curtmack | how do I get aptitude to open them |
| 01:29.55 | curtmack | ? |
| 01:30.09 | abrotman | curtmack: put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 01:30.13 | curtmack | I can't |
| 01:30.27 | curtmack | I tried, but I need root priveleges to do so |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | then how the hell do you think you're going to install them ? |
| 01:30.39 | curtmack | and instead of asking for the root password it just said "No, you can't." |
| 01:30.43 | JordiGH | Should lspcmcia say something different if I plug in the card or take it out? Of course, right? |
| 01:30.47 | gpm | dpkg i |
| 01:30.47 | dpkg | i heard i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 01:30.48 | gpm | dpkg -i |
| 01:30.54 | curtmack | I can get root priveleges. It just doesn't ask for them. |
| 01:31.02 | gpm | haha |
| 01:31.10 | abrotman | curtmack: so do it as root |
| 01:31.16 | qmr | I need a wiki that can put pages in "categories", has some ACL stuff, and that I can easily add adsense code too ... any suggestions? |
| 01:31.40 | gpm | curtmack: install the packages with dpkg -i <somefile>.deb |
| 01:31.57 | curtmack | gpm: I have 77 package files, you do it |
| 01:32.10 | gpm | curtmack: for i in *.deb; do dpkg -i "$i"; done |
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| 01:32.21 | pc300 | hi |
| 01:32.28 | curtmack | gpm: I want to be like you when I grow up |
| 01:32.28 | gpm | curtmack: though i must warn you we don't support unofficial packages in here |
| 01:32.34 | gpm | especially when they hose your system |
| 01:32.44 | curtmack | I think they're all official |
| 01:32.48 | pc300 | how do you set up wireless networking? I have netgear usb MA111 |
| 01:32.59 | curtmack | they're on the directory at us.debian.org anyway |
| 01:33.36 | onyma | curtmack: copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:33.42 | gpm | curtmack: so why not add that repository to your sources.list and install that way? |
| 01:33.44 | onyma | then do the normal apt-get stuff |
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| 01:34.02 | JordiGH | If I plug in a pcmcia card and do "lspcmcia" and nothing shows up, is there anything I can conclude? |
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| 01:34.11 | curtmack | gpm: because the computer in my bedroom is internetless |
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| 01:34.32 | gpm | curtmack: oh. bummer. well then you could try what i told ya |
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| 01:34.52 | curtmack | JordiGH: wait, was your computer ON when you plugged in the pcmcia card? |
| 01:34.55 | grumbel | is X11 in unstable currently broken (something with version missmatch between server and modules)? |
| 01:35.30 | gpm | grumbel: a little bit yeah. |
| 01:35.41 | gpm | grumbel: check the BTS out |
| 01:35.48 | JordiGH | curtmack: Yes. |
| 01:35.50 | curtmack | okay thanks |
| 01:35.55 | dfinn | anyone else running a lenny/sid image in vmware w/X? Looks like i'm running into Bug # 442853 and I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this. |
| 01:36.18 | curtmack | aren't you not supposed to have the computer on when you plug in pcmcia cards, or am I behind the times? |
| 01:36.26 | curtmack | or just an idiot |
| 01:36.28 | curtmack | that might be it |
| 01:36.32 | JeremyK | curtmack: pcmcia cards are hot-pluggable |
| 01:36.35 | JordiGH | I'm usually the idiot around here. Ask abrotman. |
| 01:36.42 | curtmack | okay then |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | usually? |
| 01:36.49 | JeremyK | i mean, if you're booting off a pcmcia device, you probably don't want to unplug it while it's running ;) |
| 01:36.55 | JordiGH | abrotman: always? :-) |
| 01:36.57 | JeremyK | but a network card or something, yea, that's safe |
| 01:37.11 | gpm | no, i'm the eternal idiot |
| 01:37.26 | curtmack | anyway yeah, doing what gpm told me to do because he's smart and WOW that was ironic |
| 01:37.43 | JordiGH | JeremyK: and if lspcmcia doesn't show the card, then...? We haven't managed to make Debian show anything we plug into that pcmcia slot. |
| 01:38.22 | JeremyK | JordiGH: does debian see your pcmcia controller? |
| 01:39.13 | JordiGH | JeremyK: What's that? Some yenta thing? |
| 01:39.21 | JordiGH | yenta_cardbus |
| 01:39.36 | JordiGH | Something shows up. Just not the wireless card. |
| 01:39.39 | amphi | JordiGH: it's most likely cardbus; if the controller is working, a cardbus card will just show up on the pci bus (lspci) |
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| 01:40.34 | JordiGH | 02:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) |
| 01:40.37 | JordiGH | That? |
| 01:41.04 | foug | if i want to erase everything off of my hard drive, should i install an LVM? I don't quite understand this Wiki on LVM's |
| 01:41.42 | JeremyK | JordiGH: that looks about right. I'm sorry but that's the extent of my knowledge with that. I haven't done any pcmcia stuff with *nix in a very long time |
| 01:41.56 | JordiGH | *n?x |
| 01:42.20 | JordiGH | The best thing is that * matches "GNU/" :-) |
| 01:42.45 | lastnode1 | :) |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | lspcmcia |
| 01:42.59 | abrotman | hwinfo |
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| 01:43.25 | streuner | hey gravity :-) |
| 01:43.34 | abrotman | brown noser! |
| 01:43.36 | gravity | Hi streuner |
| 01:43.43 | mmlj4 | gravity-- |
| 01:43.59 | gravity | um |
| 01:44.12 | mmlj4 | not personally |
| 01:44.17 | streuner | heh |
| 01:44.25 | mmlj4 | it's a joke... gravity always pulling things down, etc. |
| 01:44.30 | Varange | how do I check whetehr apache mod-perl is installed? |
| 01:44.40 | mmlj4 | remember... it's not just a good idea, it's the law |
| 01:44.45 | gravity | gotcha |
| 01:45.06 | streuner | haha, nice talk :-) |
| 01:45.37 | streuner | poor gravity, just joined a channel and got this kind of convo :-) |
| 01:45.58 | gravity | streuner: It happens a fair bit. I'm used to it. |
| 01:46.14 | gravity | It's what I get for choosing this nick |
| 01:46.24 | streuner | hehe |
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| 01:47.21 | mmlj4 | hey, at least you didn't choose "electron" |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | gravity: /nick inertia ? |
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| 01:47.55 | mmlj4 | i know choosing a nick is serious business, gravity |
| 01:48.15 | streuner | no |
| 01:48.17 | JordiGH | I'm starting to suspect that the pcmcia slot is damaged. Any way to test this? |
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| 01:48.27 | abrotman | try the other one |
| 01:48.35 | JordiGH | There's only one. |
| 01:48.35 | streuner | you should respect the work who is spenting for Debian |
| 01:48.54 | pc300 | nuf respect due |
| 01:49.11 | streuner | who cares about nicks... |
| 01:49.19 | dawk | hi |
| 01:49.22 | mmlj4 | missed the joke, apparently |
| 01:49.34 | streuner | nm then |
| 01:50.22 | gravity | heh, I got the joke |
| 01:50.27 | gravity | I've just heard them a few times :-) |
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| 01:50.31 | JordiGH | Yes or no: if I plug in a wireless card into the pcmcia slot and do "lspcmcia", it should just show up, right? Something should show up, even if Linux can't recognise what it is? |
| 01:50.44 | JordiGH | The only thing that shows up is yenta_cardbus |
| 01:50.59 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.03 | atoponce | does the latest X.org update have serious bug issues in sid? it keeps crashing on me very intermitently |
| 01:51.26 | streuner | gravity: see ^^^ |
| 01:51.30 | gravity | atoponce: amd64? |
| 01:51.31 | JordiGH | atoponce: I get X crashes in lenny if I use the 2.6.20.* kernel |
| 01:51.49 | JordiGH | Or I did. I haven't tried booting that kernel recently. |
| 01:52.00 | JordiGH | It may have gotten fixed. |
| 01:52.02 | atoponce | gravity: yes |
| 01:52.03 | gravity | atoponce: There's a few known bugs, hopefully yours is a known one that's being worked on. |
| 01:52.04 | dfinn | my mouse doesn't work in lenny using vmware but I think I found the bug ID for that |
| 01:52.21 | gravity | atoponce: Yeah, ok. I don't think there's a fix for that yet... let me double check though |
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| 01:52.50 | atoponce | aptitude held it back, but after yesterday's conversation in here, i upgraded. bad idea. i'll keep with 'aptitude safe-upgrade' from here on out |
| 01:53.14 | gravity | atoponce: Also, what driver are you using? |
| 01:53.18 | atoponce | intel |
| 01:53.33 | gravity | Ok, yeah, that's not it then. ati has been a real problem |
| 01:53.41 | JordiGH | There's a safe-upgrade command in aptitude? |
| 01:53.48 | JordiGH | Is that new, or have I just completely missed that? |
| 01:53.57 | atoponce | yeah. 'upgrade' has been deprecated |
| 01:54.57 | gravity | atoponce: Is there anything useful in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 01:55.13 | JordiGH | And dist-upgrade is also gone? |
| 01:55.34 | JordiGH | Hm, been synonimised to full-upgrade. |
| 01:55.40 | JordiGH | Looks like they just changed the names. |
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| 01:55.52 | atoponce | gravity: not that i could see |
| 01:55.53 | ampex2 | Is there a way to find out why a package is being held back? |
| 01:55.59 | chrisb | i do not have a key to authenticate ncurses-base in testing. is there a new key for "testing" now? |
| 01:55.59 | atoponce | JordiGH: yes. use 'full-upgrade' |
| 01:56.03 | JordiGH | And dist-upgrade is deprecated because this is no longer the way to upgrade from one distro to the next, I guess. |
| 01:56.22 | JordiGH | When lenny gets released, looks like I'm in for a bit of fun. |
| 01:56.36 | streuner | atoponce: just show him the whole log |
| 01:56.36 | atoponce | i did full-upgrade on xserver-xorg, ad now i'm paying for it |
| 01:56.43 | gravity | atoponce: What sort of crash is it? Does X just die and you have to restart it, or is it a hard lockup that you have to reset the machine? |
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| 01:56.44 | atoponce | streuner: ok. just a sec |
| 01:56.51 | streuner | !paste |
| 01:56.52 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 01:57.06 | gravity | I know I've seen this bug somewhere, but I don't know where |
| 01:57.07 | atoponce | gravity: it just restarts. screen goes black and takes me back to gdm login |
| 01:57.36 | atoponce | streuner: yes. i am aware of pastebin. thx |
| 01:57.36 | streuner | ok |
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| 01:58.03 | gravity | ok, thanks |
| 01:58.47 | atoponce | gravity: http://pastebin.ca/709894 |
| 01:59.32 | JordiGH | gravity, what packages do you maintain? |
| 01:59.34 | gravity | atoponce: I'd be more interested in one that happens after a crash |
| 01:59.40 | gravity | JordiGH: I help with the X packages |
| 01:59.44 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:59.46 | JordiGH | Wow. |
| 01:59.47 | gravity | And I maintain a few others that I have almost no time for |
| 01:59.55 | streuner | haha |
| 02:00.02 | JordiGH | O.o |
| 02:00.10 | streuner | gravity: Dont be so shine :-) |
| 02:00.11 | JordiGH | That's almost like being a kernel hacker imho. |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | so shine ? |
| 02:00.36 | JordiGH | shiny? |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | shy? |
| 02:00.39 | streuner | yeah |
| 02:00.47 | gravity | atoponce: Ok, your bug seems to match #443794 |
| 02:00.58 | streuner | !dbugs 443794 |
| 02:01.01 | dpkg | #443794:N[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: server crashes randomly in libGLcore; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:39:02 UTC |
| 02:01.38 | gravity | atoponce: I'd follow that bug. If you want, you could add a me too reply to it, with your xorg.conf and post-crash log |
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| 02:01.46 | EbilPhish | !bot |
| 02:01.46 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 02:01.55 | gravity | atoponce: It's kinda bizarre. I don't know why DRI is disabled for you. |
| 02:02.06 | gravity | atoponce: Anyway, that's the best I can do for you right now. |
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| 02:03.03 | Varange | !huh |
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| 02:09.06 | JordiGH | Bah. I don't know why I try going to #ubuntu |
| 02:09.11 | JordiGH | Noisiest channel ever. |
| 02:09.16 | streuner | You have solved so far every problem in X, so what? |
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| 02:09.48 | streuner | JordiGH: heh? |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: you'll fit right in |
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| 02:14.40 | JordiGH | abrotman: You calling me an n00buntite? I think I'll draw the line there. |
| 02:14.57 | sixty6billy | hi, just getting to grips with debian/linux. in one's home directory, all the .xyz files are profiles for program xyc. for setting various programs |
| 02:15.38 | sixty6billy | how do you set these or other programs to run at startup and or when a user logs in? |
| 02:15.55 | streuner | hm, it must be late in .ie |
| 02:15.55 | EbilPhish | Does apt-get use wget for retrieving the packages? and is it possible to override the wget settings like timeout? |
| 02:16.04 | streuner | no |
| 02:16.10 | sixty6billy | it is |
| 02:16.45 | streuner | apt doesnt depend on wget |
| 02:16.56 | streuner | !depends apt |
| 02:16.58 | dpkg | apt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.6-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070516), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070516), debian-archive-keyring |
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| 02:18.00 | streuner | EbilPhish: what kind of problem do you have? |
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| 02:18.49 | JordiGH | sixty6billy: You can use /etc/skel to put stuff in there that will be copied to each new user you create. |
| 02:18.50 | EbilPhish | streuner: My internet connection is screwed, it keeps stalling but if I set a low timeout and retry it goes fine |
| 02:19.22 | streuner | EbilPhish: Do you use official mirrors? |
| 02:19.59 | JordiGH | sixty6billy: So you can put those configuration files there. Other than that, you'd have to manually copy them to each user's home directory. |
| 02:20.14 | EbilPhish | streuner: Yes, its the connection, happens on a lot of servers, need to get isp to fix it |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | luckily apt does partial downloads! |
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| 02:20.40 | streuner | we cannot help on this issue |
| 02:20.58 | streuner | talk to your ISP |
| 02:21.27 | EbilPhish | streuner: I didn't ask about fixing my internet connection, just if it was possible to set a timeout like wget --timeout=10 |
| 02:21.28 | nomasteryoda | EbilPhish, have you looked at the route? |
| 02:22.19 | EbilPhish | abrotman: Problem is that it will just get %20 of the file, wait some huge timeout then move onto the next file |
| 02:22.32 | nomasteryoda | like... if the DNS servers are not set right in the router, then your system won't get the proper route . and slow down... esp if you have say a wifi and an eth and they both are on, but one is pointing to a non-existent connection and route |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | not an MTU issue type thing ? |
| 02:22.59 | nomasteryoda | hmmm, it could be ... check the settings on the router |
| 02:23.11 | atoponce | gravity: thx. sorry. was afk for a bit |
| 02:23.16 | nomasteryoda | to check what i said " route -n" |
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| 02:23.28 | nomasteryoda | turn off the port you are not using |
| 02:23.47 | klhrevolutionist | apt-get install firestarter |
| 02:24.12 | EbilPhish | It just started happening randomly one day so the setting shouldn't have changed |
| 02:24.16 | nomasteryoda | with ifconfig eth? down --- or wifi0 down |
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| 02:24.38 | nomasteryoda | but on an update to say Networkmanager it might have dorked something |
| 02:24.44 | nomasteryoda | i'm drawing straws... |
| 02:25.11 | streuner | EbilPhish: if it works, the configuration should be fine.. |
| 02:25.13 | EbilPhish | Its not specific to debian, its happening on my linux and windows boxes |
| 02:25.38 | abrotman | a dsl modem in between? |
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| 02:25.42 | EbilPhish | yeh |
| 02:25.45 | nomasteryoda | ah, check the router for sure |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | can't you set the router mtu ? |
| 02:26.24 | nomasteryoda | reset it if you can... some of them over run the ram ... i.e. memory leak type condition... |
| 02:26.26 | EbilPhish | abrotman: Yeh, its 1400 currently |
| 02:26.32 | klhrevolutionist | telnet |
| 02:26.35 | abrotman | !mtu |
| 02:26.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mtu is Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces> |
| 02:26.38 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:26.53 | sixty6billy | JordiGH: cool. can you tell me briefly what the story with files that end in rc are. ie. .bash_profile is for bash login shells, ...rc for non-login, but there are various others... |
| 02:27.18 | JeremyK | sixty6billy: rc files are just generally configs |
| 02:27.33 | JeremyK | .vimrc .muttrc etc |
| 02:28.00 | sixty6billy | JordiGH: right. and /etc/init.d would contain non user specific config files? |
| 02:28.08 | JeremyK | iirc, only shells really separate interactive and non-interactive |
| 02:28.19 | JeremyK | no, /etc/init.d/ is for startup scripts, not config files |
| 02:28.29 | sixty6billy | grand. |
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| 02:28.38 | bagualas | cacti or mrtg? |
| 02:29.09 | JeremyK | sixty6billy: note that 'rc' files are also generally for user-run programs, like editors, mail clients, etc |
| 02:29.23 | curtmack | wow |
| 02:29.26 | sixty6billy | so thats where you control what you're running on startup, and user specific startup scrits are in $ |
| 02:29.32 | curtmack | I downloaded the wrong architecture for one package |
| 02:29.38 | curtmack | man I'm tired |
| 02:29.51 | JeremyK | system daemons (like apache, postfix, mysql) generally have their config files in /etc somewhere |
| 02:30.06 | JeremyK | sixty6billy: well, no. /etc/init.d/ is just where the startup scripts live |
| 02:30.14 | Varange | how do I install the CGI::Session Perl module? |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 02:30.30 | sixty6billy | JeremyK: right. |
| 02:30.39 | Varange | ah thx |
| 02:30.44 | JeremyK | sixty6billy: symlinks inside /etc/rc*.d/ control what is started/stopped at various runlevels |
| 02:31.31 | sixty6billy | JeremyK: yeah, kinda getit. |
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| 02:32.53 | sixty6billy | JeremyK: last thing, there doesn't seem to be a config file for x in my home dir, is there such a thing? |
| 02:33.20 | JeremyK | sixty6billy: generally that lives in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:33.31 | JeremyK | you can override certain things locally, with ~/.Xdefaults |
| 02:33.37 | dalias | hardware config is not configurable by a user |
| 02:34.06 | dalias | .xsession controls what runs under X when you start it |
| 02:34.19 | JeremyK | or if yo'ure running a specific windowing environment like fluxbox, kde, or whatever, they will also have their own config files in your homedir |
| 02:34.24 | dalias | and .Xresources contains configuration for various older X apps (read their manuals to see what resources are available) |
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| 02:38.17 | shamrock | Can anyone tell me why there is no mysql-admin in Debian Testing? |
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| 02:42.11 | ShadowMajestic | anyone got the phpbb2 package setup? |
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| 02:43.43 | venger | how can i get lirc_serial to take precidence over the modules 8250, 8250_pnp and serial_core ? right now lirc_serial is simply in /etc/modules |
| 02:44.37 | venger | precedence* and meaning to load first during boot |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | use the module rules |
| 02:44.55 | sixty6billy | thanks for the info, hopefully i won't break anything trying to use it. |
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| 02:45.15 | abrotman | !why is mysql-admin not in testing |
| 02:45.15 | dpkg | mysql-admin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mysql-admin |
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| 02:47.37 | popt | help, who use postgresql here on debian 4? |
| 02:48.17 | popt | I need help to editing hb_hda.conf file |
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| 02:48.36 | popt | this is my settings: http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/440T8fDg9X |
| 02:48.40 | juio | uhhhm, usually, whay is 'vanilla' software/release/code ? |
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| 02:49.05 | popt | I can't figure out how to enable tcp/ip connection from 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:49.30 | popt | as you see my settings file: http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/440T8fDg9X It should work well |
| 02:49.47 | popt | but it doesn't |
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| 02:49.54 | bpun | hi |
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| 02:50.28 | bpun | any programs i can use to prevent user download-then-execute stuff? |
| 02:51.37 | \amethyst | bpun: put /home and /tmp on a no-exec filesystem |
| 02:51.48 | \amethyst | (and any other directories the user can write to) |
| 02:51.51 | bpun | \amethyst, ok thanks :) |
| 02:52.45 | bpun | that's much easier than i thought actually thanks :) |
| 02:52.52 | \amethyst | bpun: that might also keep them from using a .bashrc or .profile, too |
| 02:53.04 | \amethyst | bpun: Actually, I guess those two don't have to be executable |
| 02:53.25 | \amethyst | bpun: But .xinitrc and so on (dot files meant to be executed) could have problems |
| 02:53.28 | bpun | was wondering then why do the faronics people made a deepfreeze for linux.. |
| 02:54.32 | \amethyst | bpun: because preventing the user from running executables won't reset the disk contents on every boot |
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| 02:56.22 | bpun | \amethyst, or if one was smart enough, he'd mount a user home image but have written changes flushed upon shutdown or reboot :) |
| 02:56.42 | ameyer | depends on exactly what you want to do |
| 02:56.46 | bpun | \amethyst, (per say-- /not/ flushing the image) |
| 02:57.18 | ameyer | and noexec doesn't prevent shell scripts or interpreted languages |
| 02:57.38 | ameyer | (lots of fun can be had with udp.pl, apparently) |
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| 02:59.05 | solar_ant | hi all |
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| 03:00.00 | ameyer | since perl udp.pl would actually only execute perl |
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| 03:00.22 | bpun | ameyer, so there's probably a daemon or pammod for this? ( to prevent certain user home scripts from running-- bash is ok) |
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| 03:03.17 | ameyer | bpun: no clue, I'm just saying that I've seen all sorts of stuff done on a noexec filesystem |
| 03:03.19 | venger | abrotman, i tried to find data on "using module rules" but i can't find what you are referring to. is there a specific command or search term i can use ? (this is about getting modules to load in a certain order) |
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| 03:03.56 | ameyer | (perhaps Debian behaves slightly differently than OpenBSD in this regard) |
| 03:04.07 | bpun | ameyer, well that's not more than scripts i guess.. should be solvable.. |
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| 03:05.00 | ameyer | perhaps |
| 03:05.08 | bpun | ameyer, it's simple.. |
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| 03:05.15 | ameyer | don't install python/perl/java? |
| 03:05.55 | bpun | ameyer, even if it were with openbsd.. i can make a stub script-- and veto out the others.. the header of the stub script would check the path of the script file.. |
| 03:06.06 | ameyer | although I'm not sure how usable a system without interpreted languages are |
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| 03:07.36 | jellynet | so does / have to be created outside of the software raid or can I do /boot? if I create a 1gb / in one drive, what do I do with that 1gb in the other 5? |
| 03:07.48 | jellynet | software raid 5.. |
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| 03:07.55 | shamrock | Anyone know my mysql-admin is not in Lenny? |
| 03:08.10 | atoponce | X just died again |
| 03:08.16 | atoponce | clicking on a tab in iceweasel |
| 03:09.34 | bpun | atoponce, if X died again then it's a serious problem.. |
| 03:09.52 | shamrock | wow. true insight. |
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| 03:10.14 | atoponce | bpun: i agree. i'm hoping to find some help getting it resolved |
| 03:11.00 | bpun | atoponce, try running iceweasal in safe mode.. |
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| 03:12.33 | atoponce | bpun: do you think iceweasel is the culprit? i guess i'll have to pay closer attention |
| 03:12.40 | atoponce | nothing yet, however |
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| 03:15.19 | bpun | atoponce, dunno, but you can try.. |
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| 03:15.59 | gravity | It's a known problem |
| 03:16.06 | bpun | atoponce, your X setup may be causing something.. or perhaps something with the mousing events between firefox and x..dunno.. |
| 03:16.24 | ameyer | atoponce: like I said in the other #debian, Iceweasel might be the cause, but IMO, a program shouldn't be able to crash X |
| 03:16.26 | gravity | atoponce: If you want to solve it, I'd try to get a log of X actually crashing |
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| 03:16.46 | atoponce | gravity: where is the X error log? |
| 03:16.48 | gravity | atoponce: If it's in GLcore, then you need to figure out why DRI isn't enabled for whatever reason |
| 03:16.55 | gravity | atoponce: The same place it always is. /var/log/ |
| 03:17.13 | gravity | That's pretty much what the bug I pointed you to earlier was saying |
| 03:17.25 | atoponce | i have you the log earlier, and you said that wasn't it... |
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| 03:17.53 | gravity | No, that's the bug |
| 03:18.16 | gravity | At least, as near as I can gather from the log you showed me, but I'd need the full crasher log or a backtrace to know for sure |
| 03:18.34 | atoponce | which i'm not sure how to get |
| 03:19.11 | gravity | I'd disable gdm, start X using startx, and wait for a crash. Then when it happens, copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log over to a safe place. Then you can re-enable gdm |
| 03:19.34 | atoponce | hmmm |
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| 03:20.53 | bpun | gravity, he can also increase the verbosity for x if nec.. |
| 03:21.15 | gravity | bpun: I know, but that's for later. |
| 03:21.50 | gravity | Finding out first if the bug matches is a good start |
| 03:22.22 | gravity | Besides, with a really verbose log it can be hard to figure out what's going on |
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| 03:22.33 | bpun | gravity, he can pass it to the startx probably.. makes it easier |
| 03:22.50 | gravity | One thing at a time |
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| 03:23.16 | gravity | Getting a normal log would be very helpful |
| 03:23.40 | bpun | gravity, i think he knows all this.. why not let him try to send his current copy? |
| 03:23.48 | gravity | bpun: I already saw it |
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| 03:24.01 | gravity | It didn't have the crash with the backtrace. |
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| 03:24.50 | gravity | bpun: If you want to see the bug that I think it is, it's #443794 |
| 03:24.53 | bpun | gravity, well that's why i hinted probably a verbosity may help.. |
| 03:24.57 | gravity | Have at it. I've no idea why GLcore is loading |
| 03:25.01 | atoponce | # update-rc.d -f gdm remove? |
| 03:25.15 | gravity | bpun: The backtrace wasn't there because gdm restarted after the crash, overwriting the log |
| 03:25.15 | bpun | atoponce, nah.. just invoke-rc.d it.. stopping it is fine.. |
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| 03:25.27 | gravity | There's no magic |
| 03:25.34 | bpun | gravity, so you make it seem so difficult.. |
| 03:25.42 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.43 | bpun | it really isn't this complex .. |
| 03:25.58 | gravity | um |
| 03:26.12 | gravity | bpun: Let me put it to you this way. If you want to maintain X and triage these bug reports, feel free. |
| 03:26.18 | gravity | bpun: If not, you can let the maintainer handle it. |
| 03:26.34 | atoponce | bpun: i'm not familiar with that method... |
| 03:26.58 | bpun | atoponce, so is there a match? |
| 03:27.09 | atoponce | invoke-rc.d? |
| 03:27.25 | gravity | atoponce: There's a manpage for it |
| 03:27.48 | gravity | And bpun is right, you don't need to disable gdm permanently. Just stop it. |
| 03:27.49 | Supaplex | gravity: gmta, good call. =) |
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| 03:29.26 | atoponce | invoke-rc.d gdm stop? |
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| 03:29.34 | gravity | Right |
| 03:30.00 | bpun | atoponce, --help usually hints commands.. (fyi) |
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| 03:32.56 | bpun | good luck fellows.. gotta go.. |
| 03:33.01 | atoponce | ok. so, when X crashes again, check the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 03:33.06 | atoponce | before going back into X? |
| 03:33.15 | gravity | atoponce: Copy that log |
| 03:33.22 | gravity | atoponce: I'd like to see it if possible |
| 03:33.26 | atoponce | ok |
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| 03:36.05 | JordiGH | sixty6billy: Did you get answers for your questions? I scrolled back, but I couldn't see anything in the buffer. |
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| 03:44.10 | sixty6billy | JordiGH: the reference manual at debian.org has been keeping me happy. the stuff about system initialisation was just a little all over the place, or maybe i wa just a little lazy :) |
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| 03:45.34 | ampex2 | gentoo is so much more manly than debian |
| 03:46.02 | Guerin | if by `manly' you mean `futile, like lifting weights just because they're heavy' |
| 03:46.04 | ampex2 | although compiling everything is a massive waste of time in most cases |
| 03:46.34 | Guerin | real men don't just lift things because they're heavy - they find heavy things which NEED lifting |
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| 03:47.16 | Rusty1 | !flamebait |
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| 03:47.34 | JordiGH | Guerin++ |
| 03:48.07 | dalias | i love and advocate building things from source from time to time, or entirely for small systems |
| 03:48.15 | dalias | however the gentoo model is utterly idiotic |
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| 03:48.25 | jamesdell | yeah thats true dalias |
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| 03:49.00 | ampex2 | running through a Gentoo install does force you to learn more about the underlying concepts behind modern linux than Debian does though |
| 03:49.14 | ampex2 | not that that's always a positive experience |
| 03:49.17 | dalias | if you're going to use automated distro-scripted builds for everything you might as well just use distro-provided binaries and save yourself all the time/cpu cycles/electricity |
| 03:49.36 | sixty6billy | i know two linux users. one gentoo, one debian. the former likes taking things apart and poking them, the other a google sysadmin. from that i gather gentoo isn't the way to go if you wanna get shit done |
| 03:49.41 | dalias | if you want to learn, use slackware |
| 03:49.53 | dalias | typing 'emerge' does not teach you anything about the underlying concepts |
| 03:50.14 | dalias | certainly not any more than typing apt-get does |
| 03:50.28 | Guerin | ampex2: I found gentoo made me learn more about the stupidities inherent in following a recipe you found on the internet that you don't really understand. |
| 03:50.34 | catbot | Why the xChat in debian can not be wrap line? |
| 03:50.40 | Guerin | catbot: it can. |
| 03:50.57 | catbot | how setting? |
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| 03:51.09 | Guerin | no idea, haven't used it since 2004 |
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| 03:51.26 | JordiGH | catbot: Uh, xchat wraps lines by default. Are you using etch? |
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| 03:52.16 | catbot | now, i can just see "Are you using ", it is not complete |
| 03:52.40 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 03:52.48 | OhMyGods | hello,who can help me? I have problems with serial programing. |
| 03:53.03 | JordiGH | catbot: are you using etch? |
| 03:53.10 | catbot | the last a few word, i can not see |
| 03:53.23 | ampex2 | Question for you guys: I can't seem to get Debian to properly configure a six disk software RAID 5 array during install. I know enough about mdadm, creating manual block devices and partitioning to do it by hand, which I can shell out and do, but there is still strangeness in the install partitioner. |
| 03:53.32 | JordiGH | catbot: I think you may have to resize the window. |
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| 03:54.09 | catbot | I use sid |
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| 03:54.36 | ampex2 | I got the install to finish, but upon rebooting, my root fs was missing. I started over installing to a four drive RAID5 array which works fine. I added the other two drives and waited for the long reshape process. |
| 03:54.37 | JordiGH | catbot: bad idea |
| 03:54.53 | ampex2 | After rebooting, I was dead in the water again |
| 03:54.57 | catbot | i have resize the width, but it still |
| 03:55.05 | ampex2 | I believe this time because my initrd still contained an mdadm.conf with four devices. |
| 03:55.05 | catbot | bad idea? |
| 03:55.42 | sharika | my iceweasal is frequently hanging,also epiphany..but all other softwares are working fine...i donno why..whats the best i could do to cure that? |
| 03:56.24 | catbot | did it related to my window manager? |
| 03:56.53 | JordiGH | catbot: Sid is unstable. If you have problems with sid, that's because you like having problems. |
| 03:57.52 | sharika | hanging is soo frequent that there will be one for each in one session..and it works fine as i |
| 03:57.59 | sharika | "start a new session" |
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| 03:58.28 | sixty6billy | debian for me is good as a noob cause i can still do day to day tasks while learing how to use linux... with slackware or gentoo i'd say a newbie would be well advised to dual boot windows, or any os they know how to use |
| 03:59.45 | ampex2 | I still haven't found a distro that will let me install to lvm2 over raid on a six disk sata array without issue (Debian didn't, haven't tried CentOS, it might). Gentoo did the trick for me. |
| 04:00.10 | JordiGH | sixty6billy: Heh. Debian has a reputation for being a difficult distro, but I also started using it because I thought it was a good newbie distro. |
| 04:00.11 | catbot | I don't think it is version problem, i don't sure |
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| 04:00.22 | ampex2 | Anyways, this is #debian, and I'm a big fan of Debian |
| 04:00.26 | ampex2 | so, I'll stop with the distro wars |
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| 04:01.22 | catbot | the words like be marked by a something |
| 04:01.42 | sharika | i have noticed iceweasal being stuck when i try to open a you-tube video or so..(i havent installed a flash player) |
| 04:02.09 | catbot | the xchat's version is XChat 2.8.2 |
| 04:03.17 | mmlj4 | sharika: use konqueror for the youtoube stuff |
| 04:03.25 | Guerin | better yet |
| 04:03.28 | Guerin | use youtube-dl |
| 04:03.53 | JordiGH | How's gnash coming along? |
| 04:04.13 | Guerin | mostly unusable last I tried |
| 04:04.17 | Guerin | (months ago) |
| 04:04.18 | sharika | mmlj4: ok..re installing iceweasal can cure the frequent hanging? |
| 04:04.51 | mmlj4 | sharika: no. you said you didn't have flash installed, that's probably your issue |
| 04:05.13 | Guerin | 4 |
| 04:05.13 | catbot | The last words in each line, i can not always see them. this is really distraught |
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| 04:07.57 | dalias | what is the best spell checker for international/non-latin support? |
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| 04:08.23 | dalias | (not necessarily with existing dictionaries; i'm looking for one to add a dictionary to) |
| 04:08.39 | catbot | a long time |
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| 04:08.55 | dalias | ? |
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| 04:09.44 | catbot | a long time for testing, if i can see |
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| 04:09.57 | catbot | "ee" i can not see |
| 04:10.15 | sharika | mmlj4: but its hanging even if i am not going to youtube.. |
| 04:10.31 | mmlj4 | can't help you |
| 04:10.45 | sharika | ok |
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| 04:16.11 | sixty6billy | JordiGH: yeah, t'was recommended to me by a friend who knows his shite. also means i can bug him about how to do this or that... probably a bad habit. seems to be working out fine anyway, having more trouble at this stage with other software anyway (mainly the ion wm) |
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| 04:18.28 | catbot | long long long |
| 04:18.29 | sixty6billy | one thing that does confuse me about debian (dunno with other distros) is that it treats sata drives as scsis. i think sata drives were an issue when etch was testing, seems to me like a compromise of sorts |
| 04:19.03 | catbot | Oh, i change my font from mono to Sans, and i can see the complete line |
| 04:19.45 | catbot | I think, the font in linux still is a problem |
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| 04:23.30 | \amethyst | if you want the outputs to be sequenced rather than intermixed, then you almost certainly want a temp file |
| 04:23.37 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 04:24.03 | JordiGH | Is there a way to rebuild Debian menus if I manually screwed them up? |
| 04:24.21 | \amethyst | JordiGH: update-menus ? |
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| 04:24.37 | JordiGH | Let's try... |
| 04:26.21 | JordiGH | That only messes with the Debian menu, right? Not the other KDE/Gnome menus? |
| 04:26.32 | Guerin | yesh. |
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| 04:28.31 | tyh_123 | hi everyone |
| 04:28.41 | catbot | hi |
| 04:28.51 | tyh_123 | hi catbot! |
| 04:29.15 | tyh_123 | ah,i have a problem.can you help me? |
| 04:29.15 | catbot | hi tyh_12 |
| 04:29.49 | catbot | here, every body can help you if they can |
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| 04:30.44 | tyh_123 | oh,first.i'm a chinese college student.i'm in debian 4 now. |
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| 04:31.35 | catbot | Sounds interesting |
| 04:31.40 | Guerin | tyh_123: please ask. And use proper english. |
| 04:31.47 | Guerin | `4' is a number |
| 04:31.56 | \amethyst | debian 4 = etch |
| 04:32.03 | Guerin | ohhh |
| 04:32.07 | Guerin | my bad :) |
| 04:32.08 | catbot | maybe sid |
| 04:32.14 | catbot | maybe lenny |
| 04:32.18 | tyh_123 | sorry,my english is broken.... |
| 04:32.30 | Nyle | use some glue, im sure it will fix it |
| 04:32.33 | Guerin | tyh_123: no, it seems mine is broken. |
| 04:32.34 | tyh_123 | yes ,i know debian 4 = etch |
| 04:32.43 | Guerin | tyh_123: please continue. |
| 04:33.16 | tyh_123 | i very wonder ,why debian 4 is not include pidgin?because i wanne login my QQ. |
| 04:33.20 | Nyle | I am feeling the effects of food |
| 04:33.27 | Nyle | er.. pizza from earlier |
| 04:33.34 | simonrvn | tyh_123: because debian hateses you ;p |
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| 04:33.38 | \amethyst | tyh_123: it's still called "gaim" in etch |
| 04:33.47 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi |
| 04:33.50 | Guerin | tyh_123: pidgin was released after debian 4 was. You can probably use gaim, or get a backport. |
| 04:33.51 | catbot | hehe, debian hate QQ |
| 04:33.53 | tyh_123 | hatess m ? |
| 04:34.17 | simonrvn | hullo Nyle |
| 04:34.23 | \amethyst | tyh_123: simonrvn was talking like Gollum |
| 04:34.24 | Nyle | my tummy hurts |
| 04:34.31 | Nyle | he waS? |
| 04:34.34 | catbot | debian hate the man using QQ |
| 04:34.46 | Nyle | oh yeah |
| 04:35.07 | tyh_123 | hehe ,gaim-QQ only can cilent 2006 sever ver in debian. |
| 04:35.24 | catbot | Why do not you try GTalk , or Skype., or IRC? |
| 04:36.09 | Nyle | simonrvn: hows the throat? |
| 04:36.20 | \amethyst | catbot: QQ is the most popular free IM in China |
| 04:36.32 | catbot | just you think |
| 04:36.43 | Nyle | man |
| 04:36.44 | simonrvn | Nyle: better. still a bit rough around the edges, but a day of not talking fixed it up good |
| 04:36.46 | Nyle | china kicks ass |
| 04:36.55 | Nyle | I love chinese food |
| 04:37.00 | tyh_123 | i wanne any program.and i have many friend in QQ |
| 04:37.12 | catbot | i love girl |
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| 04:37.15 | Guerin | china does indeed kick ass, and not just for the food |
| 04:37.31 | tyh_123 | i hate QQ too.because it have not cilent for linux |
| 04:37.52 | catbot | time for launch |
| 04:37.54 | tyh_123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:38.16 | Nyle | its a donkey |
| 04:38.21 | Nyle | just a name for a donkey |
| 04:38.31 | Nyle | you know, a little tiny horse like thing |
| 04:38.40 | tyh_123 | oh ? |
| 04:38.40 | \amethyst | tyh_123: 'kick ass' = 'is very good'. |
| 04:39.01 | tyh_123 | \amethyst, thanks |
| 04:39.10 | Nyle | tyh_123: basically anything that kicks donkeys is good |
| 04:39.12 | \amethyst | it's not polite, though |
| 04:39.23 | \amethyst | "ass" is the human bottom |
| 04:39.25 | Nyle | it isn't very polite, but its an honest compliment |
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| 04:39.46 | Nyle | \amethyst: not really, thats just a meaning some people give it |
| 04:39.48 | Nyle | ahem |
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| 04:39.58 | Nyle | it really is a donkey |
| 04:40.01 | \amethyst | Nyle: yes, that's how words work |
| 04:40.12 | \amethyst | Nyle: they're spelled differently in BrE :) |
| 04:40.22 | Nyle | arse vs ass |
| 04:40.25 | Nyle | i am aware |
| 04:40.37 | Nyle | however, ass is still a donkey |
| 04:40.39 | tyh_123 | the china have a word |
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| 04:41.03 | tyh_123 | can every want look? |
| 04:41.09 | Nyle | i love chinese food |
| 04:41.18 | Nyle | tyh_123: what exactly did you need help with? |
| 04:41.48 | tyh_123 | i often go to newsgroup |
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| 04:42.00 | tyh_123 | i wanne find a good explor for linux |
| 04:42.19 | Nyle | tyh_123: what kind of explorer? newsgroup client? |
| 04:42.27 | tyh_123 | looks like ,oe for windows..... |
| 04:42.32 | tyh_123 | newsgroup client |
| 04:42.33 | tyh_123 | yes |
| 04:42.35 | Nyle | tyh_123: try Thunderbird |
| 04:42.41 | \amethyst | can evolution do NNTP? |
| 04:42.45 | tyh_123 | i'm using |
| 04:42.46 | Nyle | not sure |
| 04:42.47 | tyh_123 | nntp |
| 04:42.57 | Nyle | tyh_123: thunderbird is an excellent client |
| 04:43.02 | Xenguy | Nyle: is the TB interface nicer than Pan ? |
| 04:43.07 | Nyle | i think it is called icedove here |
| 04:43.12 | tyh_123 | i think Thunderbird is not for me |
| 04:43.16 | Nyle | i am not familiar with pan |
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| 04:43.41 | Nyle | Xenguy: would you kindly enlighten me? |
| 04:43.56 | czerox | what do you use to download music? |
| 04:44.01 | Xenguy | Nyle: just a GUI newsreader/client |
| 04:44.07 | Nyle | audio cds |
| 04:44.24 | Nyle | if i don't feel like paying for it i use google |
| 04:44.31 | Nyle | you should use google too |
| 04:44.34 | czerox | im looking for programs, what do you recommend? |
| 04:44.38 | stiv2k | hey is there a way i can swap the entire contents of 2 hard drives that come from 2 different computers? One of my PC's has a 160 gb hard drive that i'd like to swap into my server and use my server's 80 GB drive on my pc. |
| 04:44.59 | Nyle | czerox: are you going to download copyrighted music? |
| 04:45.06 | \amethyst | stiv2k: first of all, how much free space on the PC? |
| 04:45.06 | czerox | creating a network :P |
| 04:45.07 | tyh_123 | google?oh,i can't,because my net...... |
| 04:45.11 | amphi | czerox: if you mean, "what is a good bit torrent client?", I would say 'rtorrent' |
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| 04:45.22 | Nyle | I would say ktorrent |
| 04:45.26 | tyh_123 | i often go to news.yaako.com |
| 04:45.31 | stiv2k | \amethyst: lots... unsure atm but i'd say like only 20 of 160 GB is used...that may be an over estimate |
| 04:45.35 | czerox | ill go by rtorrent |
| 04:45.43 | tyh_123 | they have google page.... |
| 04:45.53 | czerox | what about emule? |
| 04:46.02 | stiv2k | czerox: use bittorrent |
| 04:46.07 | Nyle | tyh_123: you want a newgroup reader or a newsgroup binary leecher |
| 04:46.33 | Nyle | czerox: you do know that rtorrent is curses based? |
| 04:46.34 | tyh_123 | i don't how say.likes oe..... |
| 04:46.36 | Xenguy | czerox: 1. there are interesting videos on youtube of how to search google for a lot of music out there; 2. there is a firefox extension that piggiebacks on google to find music on the net; 3. there are p2p clients like 'gtk-gnutella' and others; 4. there is of course bittorrent. Take your pick :-) |
| 04:47.02 | Nyle | Xenguy: are you a xen guy? |
| 04:47.05 | Nyle | :D |
| 04:47.07 | stiv2k | Nyle: is rtorrent better than the standard btdownloadcurses.py ? |
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| 04:47.15 | Nyle | of course |
| 04:47.23 | czerox | wow a lot of help :D |
| 04:47.26 | czerox | that's good |
| 04:47.27 | czerox | thanks ;) |
| 04:47.29 | Nyle | but for new users its a bit of a hassel and takes some getting used to and reading |
| 04:47.30 | stiv2k | Nyle: interesting never heard of it before |
| 04:47.30 | atoponce | when will libwnck-2.20.0 hit the repo? |
| 04:47.33 | stiv2k | \amethyst: any idea? |
| 04:47.44 | \amethyst | stiv2k: then you can (preferably from a boot CD so you're not using the HD) copy the server data to the PC, copy the PC data (excluding the copy you just made) to the server, remove the originals, and move the new directories into place |
| 04:47.44 | Xenguy | Nyle: my nick precedes Xen chronologically actually :-) |
| 04:47.57 | Xenguy | Nyle: short answer, no :-) |
| 04:48.00 | \amethyst | stiv2k: preferably while the machine is quiescent |
| 04:48.08 | stiv2k | \amethyst: quiescent? |
| 04:48.14 | stiv2k | \amethyst: does it matter which machine i do it on? |
| 04:48.18 | \amethyst | stiv2k: you don't want writing going on while you do this |
| 04:48.30 | stiv2k | \amethyst: so like from a linux livecd or something |
| 04:48.31 | Nyle | i like rainbows |
| 04:48.40 | simonrvn | atoponce: has already. ii libwnck22 2.20.0-1 Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files |
| 04:48.42 | Nyle | i have not seen a real one in a long time |
| 04:48.57 | atoponce | simonrvn: hmm |
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| 04:49.09 | simonrvn | just came in today |
| 04:49.09 | czerox | Nyle: are you a male or female? |
| 04:49.11 | stiv2k | \amethyst: i feel kind of sketched out doing that, im always afraid i'll mess something up and my data will be gone |
| 04:49.12 | \amethyst | stiv2k: yeah... if you can put both drives in one machine you could do it with cp -a, otherwise maybe rsync |
| 04:49.18 | \amethyst | stiv2k: hmm |
| 04:49.40 | \amethyst | stiv2k: how much space does the server have free? |
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| 04:49.47 | stiv2k | \amethyst: only a few GB |
| 04:49.55 | stiv2k | its like 80-90 % full |
| 04:50.01 | Xenguy | Nyle: rainbows are wonderful; I love it when I see one (actually saw a double rainbow not too long ago - wow :-) |
| 04:50.04 | stiv2k | thats why i want to swap them |
| 04:50.11 | stiv2k | the one off the pc has double the storage |
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| 04:50.24 | \amethyst | stiv2k: then verify the directory trees against one another once you've copied them |
| 04:50.38 | \amethyst | stiv2k: hm |
| 04:50.46 | stiv2k | \amethyst: i guess... but when i'm actually doing this i'm now going to know exactly how to do all of it |
| 04:50.50 | stiv2k | now -> not |
| 04:50.51 | czeroX | Nyle: are you there? |
| 04:50.54 | atoponce | simonrvn: ok. i asked the question badly. lemme rehprase: |
| 04:50.58 | stiv2k | since i've never done it before :/ |
| 04:51.05 | stiv2k | ever get that feeling |
| 04:51.09 | Nyle | maybe |
| 04:51.29 | czeroX | Nyle: are you a male or female? |
| 04:51.31 | atoponce | libwnck18 depends: libwnck-common (< 2.19), but 2.20.0-1 is to be installed |
| 04:51.37 | Nyle | czeroX: both |
| 04:51.38 | Xenguy | good answer ;-p |
| 04:51.41 | stiv2k | Nyle: roflamo |
| 04:51.42 | czeroX | mmm |
| 04:51.46 | atoponce | when will *that* change? :) |
| 04:51.51 | czeroX | i was asking nicelly :S |
| 04:51.57 | simonrvn | atoponce: just use aptitude |
| 04:52.02 | Nyle | I was being truthful and honest |
| 04:52.08 | atoponce | yeah, that's what got me into this whole mess |
| 04:52.12 | simonrvn | czeroX: why does that matter? |
| 04:52.13 | stiv2k | i wonder if chicks really dig *nix |
| 04:52.16 | stiv2k | ;) |
| 04:52.19 | atoponce | did an aptitude full-upgrade when i shouldn't have |
| 04:52.22 | czeroX | i just wonder |
| 04:52.24 | GarryFre | Is there a nice way to ask strangers personal questions? :) |
| 04:52.28 | czeroX | it sounds female to me |
| 04:52.32 | atoponce | now i've lost a ton of packages, and i can't get them back |
| 04:52.54 | tyh_123 | Do this room have program engineer?i found some people like attack others!The tree was very big and have any bird. |
| 04:52.58 | stiv2k | i think im gonna reboot to linux and upgrade the 150 packages available for sid :S |
| 04:53.00 | atoponce | gnome-power-manager for example |
| 04:53.04 | amphi | czeroX: 'Nyle' is pink in my client, I think you've got it ;) |
| 04:53.09 | simonrvn | !room |
| 04:53.09 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 04:53.12 | Nyle | if you are not a woman, you are a man+woman, period. This is a known scientific fact. Female = XX, Male = XY. Technically we're not really men, we're half men. |
| 04:53.15 | czeroX | hehe |
| 04:53.23 | stiv2k | amphi: how does your client know the gender of other users |
| 04:53.25 | Nyle | :D |
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| 04:53.36 | tyh_123 | channel?i think here more likes chat room |
| 04:53.42 | amphi | stiv2k: irssi can do anything ;) |
| 04:53.51 | simonrvn | or, alternately, half-women |
| 04:53.52 | czeroX | wasnt easier to say male or femail? |
| 04:53.52 | GarryFre | Could alway just say sometimes. that will confuse em. |
| 04:53.56 | stiv2k | amphi: humor me |
| 04:53.59 | Nyle | amphi: you're pink too in my client |
| 04:54.01 | czeroX | *female |
| 04:54.02 | Nyle | bright shocking pink |
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| 04:54.10 | simonrvn | czeroX: it doesn't matter |
| 04:54.21 | amphi | Nyle: magenta, I hope ;) |
| 04:54.23 | Nyle | simonrvn: he thinks i am a girl |
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| 04:54.32 | stiv2k | lol |
| 04:54.34 | Nyle | I like to say it like 'magneeta' |
| 04:54.42 | Nyle | i hate that word, magenta.. ugh |
| 04:54.46 | Nyle | ugly souding word |
| 04:55.11 | Nyle | sounds like you're wiping a cockroach from your shoe |
| 04:55.16 | Nyle | or something |
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| 04:55.29 | czeroX | hahaha |
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| 04:56.01 | czeroX | well thanks either way |
| 04:56.05 | GarryFre | I remember playing a game and some player asked me if I were really a female and freaked out before I could say My toon is female cause if I'm going to have to stare at a pile of pixels I might as well like what I see. |
| 04:56.06 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 04:56.23 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:56.28 | tyh_123 | It is not like Linux genius. |
| 04:57.06 | atoponce | linux needs a time machine |
| 04:57.09 | stiv2k | yea |
| 04:57.15 | stiv2k | i bet if anyone ever invents a time machine, |
| 04:57.19 | stiv2k | it's going to run linux :/ |
| 04:57.24 | atoponce | where i can go back to yesterday and have the packages restored to prior versions/installs |
| 04:57.32 | en1gma | im still having problems with my (ide dvd-rom) using "abit serillel 2 ide-sata adapter" here is my lspci, lsmod and dmesg http://pastebin.ca/710034 it starts at line number 461 |
| 04:57.40 | simonrvn | !tell likevinyl_ -about away |
| 04:57.47 | en1gma | if someone can help me get this working i would be much appreciated |
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| 04:57.52 | tyh_123 | atoponce,are you sure?(linux needs a time machine) |
| 04:58.12 | Nyle | I think I'm in love with my desktop |
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| 04:58.21 | atoponce | tyh_123: wanna come fixed my b0rked sid for me? |
| 04:58.27 | amphi | atoponce: sounds like you want fossil/venti (of plan 9 ;) |
| 04:58.35 | GarryFre | Gentoo has some front ends that allow you to go backwards in versions for selected packages, but I found the interlocking a puzzle to drive me mad. |
| 04:58.36 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 04:58.36 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 04:58.39 | stiv2k | atoponce: it's sid................you shouldnt get surpised if it b0rks |
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| 04:58.54 | stiv2k | suprised* |
| 04:58.56 | stiv2k | surprised* |
| 04:59.00 | atoponce | heh |
| 04:59.01 | stiv2k | i dont know the exact spelling |
| 04:59.07 | stiv2k | anyhow |
| 04:59.11 | stiv2k | have you ever considered sidux? |
| 04:59.16 | Nyle | sidux? |
| 04:59.18 | Nyle | !sidux |
| 04:59.18 | dpkg | i guess sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 04:59.26 | stiv2k | yeah i use it |
| 04:59.41 | stiv2k | its debian sid but they have a neat script that usually takes care of b0rkages pretty well |
| 04:59.44 | Nyle | how different is it from sid? |
| 04:59.48 | tyh_123 | atopence,can you find the linux gennis in google ? |
| 04:59.48 | Nyle | what are they doing |
| 05:00.00 | stiv2k | i.e. the maintainers of the script update it to hold back packages that they know will b0rk your system |
| 05:00.10 | stiv2k | its automagic... sorta |
| 05:00.17 | GarryFre | Other people got nice errors that siad packageName 1 is blocking packageName 2, but I got one the hundreds of packages you need to upgrade was blocked by one of the hundreds of packages you already got installed. |
| 05:00.33 | stiv2k | like when xorg 7.3 came out they put it on hold because it breaks a lot of stuff... i think its still on 'hold' |
| 05:00.36 | stiv2k | know what i mean? |
| 05:00.37 | atoponce | tyh_123: 1. tab complete is your friend. 2. i have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 05:03.03 | GarryFre | stiv2k reminds me of a doctor telling a heart transplant patient "We took the old heart out and the new one doesn't work so we are going to put a hold on this new heart. Hold on, we going to get your heart beating soon." |
| 05:03.31 | stiv2k | GarryFre: heheheh |
| 05:04.00 | stiv2k | GarryFre: that would be sad if we applied the way we maintain packages to heart surgery :P |
| 05:04.13 | tyh_123 | atoponce, i have some problem with debian kernel in fact.but this room!yes it most likes chat room's people is not friendly.so,i must is you are not a program engineer! |
| 05:04.44 | GarryFre | stiv2k Yeah, "Don't worry, its just a small leak." |
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| 05:04.54 | GarryFre | stiv2k a small artery |
| 05:05.01 | tyh_123 | the pidgin proglem is only the most small one. |
| 05:05.14 | stiv2k | GarryFre: your new heart still has a lot of bugs in it so.... we have to wait for it to be released into 'testing' before we can put it in ya |
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| 05:06.40 | GarryFre | stiv2k Reminds me of Wine, I love it, but it seems no matter how terrible a bug they produce, they won't release a new version for two weeks. |
| 05:06.57 | tyh_123 | Chinese join the debian plan and help debian plan in fact!why?because we love linux.you mustn't use debian ! |
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| 05:07.33 | tyh_123 | you can have level!!! |
| 05:08.22 | stiv2k | what? |
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| 05:11.51 | en1gma | if someone can help me i will get you a hairy lipped iranian prostitute |
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| 05:11.59 | en1gma | they are in high demand like oil |
| 05:12.10 | stiv2k | en1gma: ooooooh sounds like you got yourself a deal |
| 05:12.14 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:12.29 | stiv2k | hairy lipped iranians excite me |
| 05:12.40 | en1gma | best i could do on short notice |
| 05:13.09 | en1gma | i said that in another channel and i cant believe no one even responded to it |
| 05:13.15 | stiv2k | lol |
| 05:13.19 | en1gma | gawd...the nerve of some ppl |
| 05:13.39 | niru | I have postscript installed |
| 05:13.45 | en1gma | if your lucky she might even have a uni-brow |
| 05:13.52 | stiv2k | rofl |
| 05:13.54 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:14.05 | niru | but still samsungs ML 3051 ND printer is not displayed in the printer configuration opriton |
| 05:14.29 | niru | en1gma, any idea |
| 05:15.58 | en1gma | i never really had a printer hooked up to linux....well a few years back i did and i had to configure it through a web browser if i rem right |
| 05:16.57 | en1gma | niru whats the problem |
| 05:17.04 | en1gma | i might be able to help track a fix down |
| 05:18.04 | niru | en1gma, I clicked on add a new printer option |
| 05:18.13 | niru | system->administration->printing |
| 05:18.26 | niru | when selected the manufacturer samsung |
| 05:18.33 | niru | I got a list of models |
| 05:18.36 | en1gma | k |
| 05:18.44 | niru | but I dont find ML 3051 ND model listed there |
| 05:18.46 | niru | http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-3051ND |
| 05:18.58 | Gokee2 | Anyone know if I can get knoppix`s 3.something with only a 2.4 kernel to use its grub install to restore my grub menu system? I normally chroot to my main (real) debian part then run grub from there somehow but its been a while.... (trying to get a game to work so I installed windows) |
| 05:19.03 | niru | this site shows I need to have postscript driver |
| 05:19.12 | niru | this is already available in my machine |
| 05:19.16 | JordiGH | Any idea what config file(s) holds the Gnome menus? |
| 05:19.27 | niru | so why that model is not displayed under smasung |
| 05:19.35 | en1gma | "PPD file needs to be taken from the Windows drivers though." <<< you get that part already? |
| 05:19.57 | niru | en1gma, I did not get you |
| 05:20.07 | en1gma | thats in the instructions on that link |
| 05:20.19 | en1gma | it says you need to take that file out of the windows driver |
| 05:20.33 | en1gma | someones not reading |
| 05:20.34 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:22.02 | en1gma | niru cant believe you send me a link (that you tell me to read when you havent read it yourself) |
| 05:22.13 | en1gma | LAZY :) |
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| 05:22.35 | niru | en1gma, but the same postscript driver works for all HP printers how |
| 05:23.26 | en1gma | it says that the linux ppd driver dont work correct |
| 05:23.41 | en1gma | you have to dlaod the windows driver extract it and steal the ppd driver |
| 05:23.52 | en1gma | to my understanding |
| 05:24.30 | niru | en1gma, cant I download it from somewhere |
| 05:24.38 | en1gma | probably from samsung |
| 05:24.43 | niru | en1gma, but then will it be opensource |
| 05:24.48 | en1gma | thats who has the drivers for it i would assume |
| 05:24.55 | niru | I mean can I distribute that PPD file |
| 05:25.02 | en1gma | lol |
| 05:25.08 | en1gma | im not a lawyer |
| 05:25.22 | en1gma | i do alot of things im not supposed to do |
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| 05:25.53 | JordiGH | Does the etch install still have a 2.4 kernel in the boot options? |
| 05:27.00 | en1gma | JordiGH im not sure |
| 05:27.04 | en1gma | i use the net-install |
| 05:27.15 | en1gma | dont rem seeing it |
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| 05:43.11 | simonrvn | JordiGH: i don't think so, but check |
| 05:45.56 | jair | hello guys, I am using xmms2 to play my mp3s and it is supper light weight (command line) :) but in order to play the audio cd conventionals (wav) I need a plugin that is available only for SID and I am usig ETCH |
| 05:46.04 | jair | is there a workaround for this? |
| 05:46.26 | jair | how unestable will be my system if I install that plugin from SID distribution |
| 05:46.48 | jair | xmms2-plugin-cdda <= this is the package |
| 05:46.48 | Penix | jair: you'll end up with more than just the plugin from sid |
| 05:47.05 | jair | Penix: hmm you mean this is bad :( |
| 05:47.22 | jair | dependencies you mean |
| 05:47.45 | Solet | after modifying zones in bind... how do i restart bind to make mychanges go live? |
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| 05:49.54 | jair | Solet "/etc/init.d/bind restart"? |
| 05:50.06 | jair | or reload |
| 05:50.12 | jair | or zone |
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| 05:50.59 | jaggz- | so I'm having problems installing debian.. a TON of problems. The most recent is installing from a DVD and it locks up at "Select and install software" screen where it says "Retrieving file 119 of 119". |
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| 05:51.25 | Solet | jair: none of those gave me any output to indicate that they did anything |
| 05:51.30 | jaggz- | Term F4 shows: in-target: Need to get 0B/53.7MB of archives. After unpacking 176MB will be used. |
| 05:51.30 | jaggz- | in-target: Writing extended state information... |
| 05:51.30 | jaggz- | in-target: |
| 05:51.56 | jaggz- | I'm trying to find some webpages to help but any assistance or direction is appreciated. I've spent a week and a half on this |
| 05:53.08 | jair | Solet: one sec |
| 05:53.45 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: has it totally locked up or can you still switch terms? |
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| 05:54.13 | jair | Solet: got it. do this => "/etc/init.d/named restart" |
| 05:54.13 | jaggz- | the computer's okay.. software's just sitting there |
| 05:54.35 | jaggz- | I can switch terms, login to consoles |
| 05:54.43 | Solet | jair: bash: /etc/init.d/named: No such file or directory |
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| 05:55.11 | jair | one sec |
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| 05:55.42 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: drop to a console and ps to see what is going on with it; most likely its still trying to retreive the packages or similar |
| 05:55.42 | CactusMD | has anyone had their sound muted after rebooting, even though everythings fine in alsa? |
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| 05:56.47 | jaggz- | oh, and I told it not to use a mirror, so I was just trying to install from the DVD with no network (although I accidentally left the network cable plugged in) |
| 05:56.52 | jair | Solet: try this => ndc restart |
| 05:57.11 | jaggz- | the idea was for it to be really secure as it's an important server :) |
| 05:57.26 | Solet | jair: command not found |
| 05:57.33 | Solet | what package has named? |
| 05:58.00 | jaggz- | I'm looking at ps.. I am not familiar with the install process though -- I see some perl's running things and aptitude -o APT::Status-Fd=4 etc .. and dpkg-preconfigure |
| 05:58.13 | jaggz- | solet, bind? |
| 05:58.27 | jaggz- | (why does named/bind require root privs?) |
| 05:58.34 | jair | Solet: rndc restart? |
| 05:59.27 | jair | Solet: are you log in as user then you issued this command " su -" then put the password to be root? |
| 05:59.58 | jair | if not you need to give it all the path |
| 06:00.13 | Solet | i'm in su |
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| 06:00.16 | jair | Solet: like "/sbin/rndc restart" |
| 06:00.21 | jair | su - |
| 06:00.24 | jair | "su -" |
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| 06:00.52 | Solet | when ever i do changes to system stuff i su to root |
| 06:01.00 | Solet | easier than having to type sudo every other line |
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| 06:01.33 | jair | Solet: but with the "-" dash like => su - |
| 06:01.37 | Solet | rndcrndc: 'restart' is not implemented |
| 06:01.42 | Solet | what's the dash do? |
| 06:01.43 | jair | then enter it will export the paths to root |
| 06:02.08 | Solet | ah |
| 06:02.13 | jair | su - it will give the path to the root |
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| 06:02.28 | jair | anyway did you try the last one I gave you? |
| 06:02.38 | jair | rndc restart |
| 06:02.44 | Solet | yeah... says restart is not implemented |
| 06:02.54 | jair | hmmm :( |
| 06:02.59 | jair | one moment |
| 06:02.59 | Solet | what package is named in? |
| 06:03.15 | jair | named |
| 06:03.21 | jair | is "named" |
| 06:03.25 | jair | I think that is the one |
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| 06:03.51 | jair | but the command says ndc restart or rndc restart will do it |
| 06:04.00 | Solet | says cant find package named |
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| 06:05.08 | jair | Solet: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 06:06.24 | Solet | etch |
| 06:06.46 | jair | Solet: do this in the other I will put it here: |
| 06:07.00 | jair | 1- log in to a new terminal with a regular user |
| 06:07.11 | jair | 2- su - then put the root password |
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| 06:07.38 | jair | 3- run this command => "/etc/init.d/bind9 restart" |
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| 06:08.07 | Solet | that actually did something |
| 06:08.09 | rerere | hi2all |
| 06:08.12 | Solet | i swear to god i've tried that before |
| 06:08.16 | jair | Solet: haha |
| 06:08.17 | czeroX | how do i know what version i am using? |
| 06:08.32 | jair | Solet: you have to get use to use su - |
| 06:08.34 | jair | my friend |
| 06:08.36 | _lyte_ | czeroX: ? what version of what ? |
| 06:08.41 | czeroX | debian |
| 06:08.54 | jair | Solet: cool now? |
| 06:09.04 | Solet | -_- still not resolving the machines in the network -_ |
| 06:09.05 | Solet | - |
| 06:09.25 | _lyte_ | czeroX: cat /etc/debian_version ?? |
| 06:09.27 | Solet | something's gotta be fucked with my zone files or something :( |
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| 06:09.58 | czeroX | 4.0 |
| 06:10.09 | _lyte_ | czeroX: so thats the version |
| 06:10.32 | czeroX | debian 4.0 is that it? |
| 06:11.18 | Solet | i have a debian 1.0 boxed release... the mistake/prerelease ^_^ |
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| 06:11.53 | czeroX | what is the newest version? |
| 06:11.58 | Solet | i want to install it on an old junk system... but i dont want to open the plastic |
| 06:12.11 | gpm | czeroX: that's the latest official release...er, 4.0r1 |
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| 06:12.15 | _lyte_ | I use debian 4 (etch) which is the stable one .. |
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| 06:12.35 | czeroX | ok tnks |
| 06:12.56 | tuv | is it safe to modify the backup user entry in /etc/passwd or is this user used by any standard tools by default? |
| 06:12.57 | gpm | czeroX: that and much more is all available and easy-to-read at www.debian.org |
| 06:13.24 | czeroX | cool |
| 06:14.06 | Solet | i wonder if my dns isnt working because it's fighting with the nat... |
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| 06:14.30 | Solet | nat, dhcpd, and dns are all running on the same machine.. |
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| 06:14.35 | popt | hello, which appilcatio on debian can read djvu document |
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| 06:15.08 | Solet | apt-get install djview |
| 06:15.11 | jair | Solet: that sounds very interesting |
| 06:15.49 | popt | thank you |
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| 06:16.06 | Solet | jair: do you think they'd play more nicely if on different machines? |
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| 06:18.01 | RvGaTe | good morning debian |
| 06:18.28 | popt | and is there a method I can grab whole files under a ft dir? |
| 06:18.46 | Solet | jair: have you ever built a nat box? |
| 06:18.47 | popt | for example: ftp://192.0.0.1/tools |
| 06:19.06 | popt | I want to download all files uner tools dir |
| 06:19.17 | popt | which command I should use ? |
| 06:19.38 | popt | and is there a method I can grab whole files under a ftp dir? |
| 06:19.46 | popt | miss letter 'p' |
| 06:20.23 | jair | Solet: not really :( |
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| 06:20.48 | jair | Solet: I think that three of then can be in the same machine |
| 06:21.06 | jair | you will need at least two network cards though |
| 06:21.27 | gpm | popt: man ftp? |
| 06:21.47 | Solet | jair i got the 2 ftp cards |
| 06:21.53 | Solet | er |
| 06:21.55 | Solet | nic |
| 06:22.00 | Solet | i cant read and type at the same time |
| 06:22.08 | Solet | i'm behind the nat right now |
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| 06:22.20 | Crush` | anyone know how to suppress INPUT in a bash script? |
| 06:23.00 | Solet | i dont have the port openings for the servers made in the nat, and the lan dns isnt working at all |
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| 06:23.21 | czeroX | how do i add a proxy to bithcx, i know that i shoud go something like /set sock_host and /set sock_port but what else do i have to do? |
| 06:23.35 | pythonic | why does etch installer "select and install software" install a whole pile of shit without asking me? |
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| 06:24.24 | Solet | pythonic: if you unselect everything in the last set of options, it will only install the base system required to boot and move around |
| 06:24.36 | thedonvaughn | pythonic, what did you choose during the installation? if you want a custom install just install the base and add what you need via apt. |
| 06:24.37 | pythonic | Solet: i'm not offered any options. |
| 06:24.42 | Solet | yes you are |
| 06:25.02 | Solet | the very last dialogue, has the "desktop, webserver, print server, dns, file server, base system" |
| 06:25.04 | pythonic | right after selecting no to popcon it starts installing 600+ packages |
| 06:25.08 | Solet | uncheck everything, even base system |
| 06:25.15 | pythonic | there is nothing to uncheck |
| 06:25.27 | RvGaTe | pythonic: we all experience it different :P |
| 06:25.39 | neighbors | did you use the netinst disk? |
| 06:25.41 | Solet | you have a magical install disc... i suggest cracking it in half and getting a less magical one :P |
| 06:25.46 | thedonvaughn | haha |
| 06:25.55 | pythonic | debian-40r1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 06:26.02 | Solet | ... |
| 06:26.05 | neighbors | get the netinst disk and start over |
| 06:26.05 | St3rnchen | moin |
| 06:26.06 | neighbors | kde? |
| 06:26.08 | neighbors | that's why |
| 06:26.12 | thedonvaughn | well uhm |
| 06:26.12 | Solet | holy shit... so you mean the kde disc installs kde? |
| 06:26.16 | thedonvaughn | you got the kde disc lol |
| 06:26.20 | Solet | (sorry... bit snarky tonight) |
| 06:26.25 | RvGaTe | Solet: what? you gotta be kidding me!? |
| 06:26.32 | ddma | anybody knows if its possible to use dd to make a backup of a mounted partition? |
| 06:26.40 | pythonic | Solet: without asking? |
| 06:26.49 | Solet | RvGaTe: i know right... fucked me out of my tree |
| 06:26.59 | RvGaTe | pythonic: you already choose to download the kde install.... |
| 06:27.00 | Solet | pythonic: it doesnt have to ask... it assumed you wanted kde when you installed the kde disc |
| 06:27.04 | pythonic | the "standard" cd-1 has gnome packages, but it doesn't install those automatically |
| 06:27.10 | Solet | that's like asking why a winxp disc doesnt install fedora core |
| 06:27.17 | thedonvaughn | pythonic, yes it does |
| 06:27.20 | RvGaTe | pythonic: start over, using the netinstall disc... |
| 06:27.21 | pythonic | the kde cd-1 has kde packages. why does it install them automatically? |
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| 06:27.23 | jaggz- | ddma, sure, why not? just try not to let anything write to the drive while you're backing it up or your backup may be corrupt and bad |
| 06:27.23 | pythonic | without asking? |
| 06:27.38 | Solet | cause it's called kde |
| 06:27.39 | jaggz- | remount it readonly if you can |
| 06:27.48 | neighbors | yes but if you got "WINDOWS XP WITH OFFICE XP" you'd probably have office installed |
| 06:27.50 | pythonic | cd-1 installs gnome without asking? |
| 06:27.59 | thedonvaughn | pythonic, you choose desktop as an install option obviously |
| 06:28.01 | jaggz- | if you think anything's going to be writing to it and you can't do that.. maybe you shouldn't be doing the backup that way :) |
| 06:28.09 | pythonic | thedonvaughn: i didn't get the option |
| 06:28.10 | jaggz- | now, why not just back up the files on the drive instead of the dev itself? |
| 06:28.10 | thedonvaughn | pythonic, no it doesn't. you have to choose desktop. we've gone over this |
| 06:28.34 | Solet | if you're that worried about it installingshit with out asking... go get gentoo minimal |
| 06:28.38 | thedonvaughn | pythonic, i mean on the "standard" cd. the kde just assumes you want KDE installed i guess. i've never used the kde cd |
| 06:28.41 | pythonic | ok. so cd-1 does not install gnome without asking? why does kde cd-1 install kde without asking? |
| 06:28.53 | Solet | dude for fucks sake |
| 06:28.59 | neighbors | he probably had "desktop" selected |
| 06:29.00 | neighbors | that's why |
| 06:29.09 | pythonic | no, i want the kde packages on the cd, i don't want 600+ packages installed |
| 06:29.09 | Solet | if it's in the title of the whoring disc... IT'S GOING TO FUCKING INSTALL THE SHIT! |
| 06:29.23 | thedonvaughn | pythonic, we told you what to do. |
| 06:29.29 | RvGaTe | pythonic: i think the message is clear now :P you've chosen to install kde by downloading the kde install disc.. if you want a clean abse system to star out with, you shouldn't have downloaded that one in the first place... we all suggest you start over using the netinstall.... cant be anymore clear then that... |
| 06:29.37 | ddma | jaggz-: I was hopping that if I backup the dev then I could restore the whole system (so its bootable straight away) but that might not be possible? |
| 06:29.53 | pythonic | so there's no cd with kde packages that also asks me if i want to install them? |
| 06:30.03 | RvGaTe | troll anyone? |
| 06:30.11 | Solet | pythonic: vista... |
| 06:30.13 | Solet | seriously |
| 06:30.22 | thedonvaughn | maybe a nintendo wii would be nice for you |
| 06:30.30 | czeroX | lol |
| 06:30.35 | czeroX | that was rude |
| 06:30.37 | RvGaTe | gameboy... even better... you can take it with ya |
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| 06:30.48 | Azar | hello honorables!! |
| 06:31.01 | RvGaTe | who you talking to? :P |
| 06:31.08 | thedonvaughn | pythonic, i believe it does ask. you should have an option for desktop, webserver, etc etc. I'd do the install again |
| 06:31.09 | czeroX | hahahaha |
| 06:31.10 | Azar | you and you and you... everyone |
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| 06:31.31 | RvGaTe | thedonvaughn: he didn't use the netinstall... he used the kde install... |
| 06:31.37 | Solet | PROTIP: cd's install the shit listed in the title of the disc |
| 06:31.39 | pythonic | thedonvaughn: no, it does not ask. |
| 06:31.43 | czeroX | hahahaha |
| 06:31.51 | Azar | damn right I am glad I don't use ubuntu!! blasphemy! now Dell tries to do automatic driver downloads!!! |
| 06:31.52 | neighbors | did you have "desktop" selected ? |
| 06:31.52 | RvGaTe | oh god... here we go again :P |
| 06:32.00 | pythonic | like "debian" cd installs all of debian? |
| 06:32.05 | czeroX | hahaahaha |
| 06:32.10 | RvGaTe | pythonic: you clearly still dont get it... lol |
| 06:32.19 | neighbors | I'm sure you had "desktop" selected and on a kde disk that's KDE |
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| 06:32.39 | Azar | huh? you install only what you want man! |
| 06:32.40 | pythonic | there was no selection |
| 06:32.42 | pythonic | no options |
| 06:32.52 | Solet | the kde disc prolly makes that assumption |
| 06:32.52 | Azar | no shit... what about tasksel ? |
| 06:33.01 | neighbors | then maybe you clicked through it on accident |
| 06:33.08 | neighbors | maybe the enter key registered twice |
| 06:33.14 | Solet | kinda like... oh... how a halo2 disc doesnt bother to ask you if you want to play splintercell isntead |
| 06:33.17 | neighbors | it defaults to desktop |
| 06:33.21 | Penix | a user made a mistake? impossible! |
| 06:33.23 | neighbors | so maybe you completely skipped that menu |
| 06:33.27 | RvGaTe | pythonic: --> S T A R T O V E R <--- (using the netinstall) |
| 06:33.39 | neighbors | if you didn't see it it's obvious you left it at the default which is desktop |
| 06:33.47 | Azar | pythonic: yeah, what RvGaTe said, and READ the prompts :) |
| 06:33.51 | pythonic | neighbors: there was no option |
| 06:34.03 | neighbors | do it over and pay attention this time |
| 06:34.04 | Solet | pythonic: what kind of computer do you have? |
| 06:34.11 | pythonic | Solet: laptop |
| 06:34.14 | Solet | specs? |
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| 06:34.15 | Azar | is asking you to pick software man... |
| 06:34.19 | pythonic | RvGaTe: stop trolling please. |
| 06:34.28 | Azar | RvGaTe: is not trolling |
| 06:34.29 | czeroX | pythonic: why dont you give it a try and use it like you have it... |
| 06:34.47 | RvGaTe | pythonic: im trying to give you a message... but clearly, you're not reading them... |
| 06:34.51 | Solet | or use apt to get rid of the shit you dont want |
| 06:34.55 | pythonic | Solet: 80GB disk 1GB ram |
| 06:35.04 | Solet | or RE FUCKING INSTALL IT ONLY TAKES LIKE 10 MINUTES |
| 06:35.07 | Azar | pythonic: more than enough |
| 06:35.12 | pythonic | RvGaTe: because i'd like the kde packages on the cd i use to install |
| 06:35.17 | Penix | calm down. enough with the caps. stop feeding the troll |
| 06:35.25 | neighbors | ? |
| 06:35.29 | neighbors | you want the kde packages? |
| 06:35.33 | neighbors | then what's the problem? |
| 06:35.36 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 06:35.48 | pythonic | neighbors: i want the kde packages on the install cd. i want to choose which ones to install, if any. |
| 06:35.58 | neighbors | it doesn't give you that detailed of an option |
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| 06:36.00 | Azar | RvGaTe: is Etch not having a tasksel no more like on the older versions? |
| 06:36.08 | neighbors | if you pick desktop you get a set of kde related packages |
| 06:36.19 | RvGaTe | Azar: what you mean with tasksel? |
| 06:36.23 | pythonic | RvGaTe: have i insulted you? who's the troll here? |
| 06:36.25 | Azar | neighbors: I guess desktop options installs gnome |
| 06:36.26 | neighbors | if that's too high level then do netinst and apt-get exactly what you want from a standard system instead of desktop selection |
| 06:36.33 | ddma | If I make a backup of a root partition using dd, will it be possible to restore it easily (make it bootable right away)? |
| 06:36.33 | Solet | if you want the old selection process... go grab a woody install... install your shit |
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| 06:36.40 | Solet | then apt-get upgrade about 900000 times |
| 06:36.43 | Solet | come back in a week |
| 06:36.53 | Solet | and hopefully some one will have stolen you computer and put it to better use... |
| 06:37.11 | Azar | Solet: pshhhttt, that is the way I am installing and shush, it takes only 3 hours to get up to Etch |
| 06:37.12 | RvGaTe | pythonic: im not going to spend any more time on you today... sorry.... just start over using the netinstall... |
| 06:37.15 | RvGaTe | word.. |
| 06:37.35 | pythonic | thanks for offering the non solution several times |
| 06:37.38 | RvGaTe | Azar: 3 hours?! you must have a shitty connection, lol |
| 06:37.39 | neighbors | ? |
| 06:37.42 | neighbors | that IS the solution |
| 06:37.47 | neighbors | that's the correct solution |
| 06:37.51 | Azar | RvGaTe: from Woody to Etch I ment |
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| 06:37.57 | pythonic | so i can't have packages on a cd AND choose which ones to install |
| 06:37.58 | pythonic | ? |
| 06:37.59 | RvGaTe | Azar: ouch... |
| 06:38.00 | czeroX | i thought i was bad :S |
| 06:38.13 | neighbors | sure |
| 06:38.18 | Penix | pythonic: you clearly don't understand the concept of task selection and metapackages |
| 06:38.25 | RvGaTe | pythonic: that will end up using the same version anyway... so doesn't matter |
| 06:38.27 | Azar | RvGaTe: I love it that way :) |
| 06:38.32 | pythonic | Penix: there was no task selection option |
| 06:38.36 | Penix | pythonic: that's nice |
| 06:38.43 | neighbors | pythonic how many times did you try? |
| 06:38.45 | neighbors | once? |
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| 06:39.00 | czeroX | now im confused |
| 06:39.07 | Azar | maybe he is doing ubuntu installation where eh yes, there are no many "choices" |
| 06:39.09 | Penix | only just now? |
| 06:39.11 | pythonic | neighbors: i've tried normal and expert install. |
| 06:39.16 | RvGaTe | Azar: i think my computer wont handle a 8 years upgrade :P |
| 06:39.25 | pythonic | each time, right after popcon, it installs 600+ packages |
| 06:39.25 | neighbors | I suspect you missed the dialog that lets you unselect desktop |
| 06:39.34 | pythonic | neighbors: twice? |
| 06:39.41 | Solet | i suspect he's using a retarded ass install disc |
| 06:39.48 | RvGaTe | some custom one |
| 06:39.51 | czeroX | why dont you try pc-bsd pythonic? |
| 06:40.29 | neighbors | pythonic, you can always do the netinst, do a standard system, and add the other disk to your sources.list to load packages from |
| 06:40.42 | czeroX | hahaha |
| 06:40.42 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 06:40.47 | neighbors | when you do apt-get install it will ask you to put your kde disk in the drive at that point and load packages from it |
| 06:40.47 | pythonic | Solet: so, who's the troll here? |
| 06:41.04 | RvGaTe | pythonic: have you tried starting over ? |
| 06:41.08 | Solet | i'm bitchy, you're being a twit... |
| 06:41.10 | RvGaTe | pythonic: using the netinstall |
| 06:41.14 | czeroX | mm now i am confused again |
| 06:41.14 | Solet | we've fucking told you exactly what to do |
| 06:41.19 | czeroX | :P |
| 06:41.22 | RvGaTe | a dozen times |
| 06:41.26 | pythonic | Solet: that's not a solution. |
| 06:41.30 | neighbors | you can load packages off your kde disk |
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| 06:41.38 | czeroX | i think he's joking |
| 06:41.38 | Solet | GET THE FUCKING NETINSTALL YOU RETARDED ASS PIECE OF SHIT! |
| 06:41.47 | pythonic | Solet: right... so who's the troll here? |
| 06:41.50 | neighbors | after doing a minimal install with a different disk (if your disk REALLY doesn't allow you to unselect desktop which I'm skeptical of) |
| 06:41.56 | RvGaTe | pythonic: lol, 30 people are saying that it IS the solution... |
| 06:42.03 | pythonic | RvGaTe: 30? |
| 06:42.03 | Azar | RvGaTe: new installers (Etch) are intimidating me |
| 06:42.03 | Azar | I hiccup at partition time |
| 06:42.04 | Azar | uh? |
| 06:42.16 | pythonic | RvGaTe: count them |
| 06:42.35 | pythonic | waiting... |
| 06:42.39 | RvGaTe | pythonic: you count them... its at least more then 5... why you still think its not the solution ? |
| 06:42.40 | czeroX | pythonic: you are joking right? |
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| 06:42.48 | Solet | !ops pythonic == troll |
| 06:42.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: solet complains about: pythonic == troll |
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| 06:42.59 | czeroX | hahahahaha |
| 06:43.09 | pythonic | because i'd like the packages on one cd. |
| 06:43.13 | RvGaTe | this is what i call a bad start in the morning |
| 06:43.28 | czeroX | hahahahahaha |
| 06:43.38 | neighbors | you can load packages from any cd you want by adding it to sources.list |
| 06:44.37 | RvGaTe | i was expecting more like.... "hey i have a problem... blabla" "this is the solution dude!" "thx, ill give it a try!"..... and that would've solved the problem.... but noooo.... things are going waaaaaayyyy different.... |
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| 06:44.48 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 06:44.50 | czeroX | i really think that pc-bsd will result just fine |
| 06:44.57 | RvGaTe | kanaldrache: morning :) |
| 06:45.38 | kanaldrache | I have a system account that just i just need to login per ssh key authentication and i have a strange feeling clobbing the home directory with it. Where would you put the homedirectory of such a user? |
| 06:45.44 | kanaldrache | Somewhere under /var |
| 06:45.48 | SpeedyG | RvGaTe: isnt it more like this "Hey, i've got a problem blabla" ... "oh, this is the sollution to that" .... "*click*" (phone hung up) (or random irc-quitmsg, or person walks away) |
| 06:45.50 | pythonic | RvGaTe: no, it was more like "here's a problem" "hahaha you moron, kde cd installs kde obviously!" |
| 06:45.54 | Penix | RvGaTe: are you sure you meant to join #debian? ;) |
| 06:46.21 | RvGaTe | Penix: ehmm... i never leave? lol |
| 06:46.27 | Solet | we were nice atleast the first 8 times |
| 06:46.48 | Penix | 8 strikes and you're out seems pretty fair |
| 06:46.49 | pythonic | Solet: no, you were snark, straight up. |
| 06:46.52 | Solet | fuck even _I_ was nice the first time...and i've been near postal all day |
| 06:47.15 | RvGaTe | pythonic: thats Solet for you... every person is different... he just happens to be an ass all the time |
| 06:47.16 | Azar | pythonic: usually there are several, (7, 14) CDs for Debian... myself I only use the 1st CD only as is the BASE install with no gui, no X no desktop... nada. From there I start installing on my own stuff that I need only |
| 06:47.29 | Penix | funny how someone can be willing to waste so much time debating nothing when they could use that time to try again |
| 06:47.51 | RvGaTe | Penix: dont forget to tell he needs to use the netinstall |
| 06:47.57 | SpeedyG | Penix: innit? ^_^ |
| 06:47.59 | Azar | pythonic: so if you use a CD custom made that has desktop "by default" it is your problem then |
| 06:47.59 | czeroX | i did the same as Azar :D |
| 06:48.15 | Penix | RvGaTe: but it dosn't ask me. lolz kthx bai |
| 06:48.22 | Solet | [01:22] <pythonic> why does etch installer "select and install software" install a whole pile of shit without asking me? [01:23] <Solet> pythonic: if you unselect everything in the last set of options, it will only install the base system required to boot and move around <-- this was before you allerted us to your shit install disc |
| 06:48.24 | SpeedyG | RvGaTe: depends.. netinstall didnt work for me (at least, one of the older ones didnt) |
| 06:48.39 | RvGaTe | SpeedyG: you do need internet tho.. :) |
| 06:48.58 | Azar | it takes a bit of work to install and configure video, sound.... etc but it is worth the effort, in the end I end up with exactly what I want |
| 06:49.00 | Solet | [01:24] <Solet> you have a magical install disc... i suggest cracking it in half and getting a less magical one :P <-- after we realized there was no way you were using the real disc |
| 06:49.10 | pythonic | it is a real disk |
| 06:49.12 | SpeedyG | RvGaTe: the only thing I needed, was a working driver for my Intel e1000GT adapter ... that was just the one that wasnt included in that cd :D |
| 06:49.26 | Solet | [01:25] <Solet> holy shit... so you mean the kde disc installs kde? <--- when you acted like this was a fucking enigma |
| 06:49.34 | SpeedyG | RvGaTe: it was included in the first full disk |
| 06:49.37 | RvGaTe | SpeedyG: what kind of adapter was that? |
| 06:49.45 | RvGaTe | network ? |
| 06:49.51 | SpeedyG | yeah |
| 06:49.54 | RvGaTe | ah.. figures.. |
| 06:49.56 | Penix | we need a big bag of chill pills and some /ignore love right about now |
| 06:50.15 | RvGaTe | aawww..... grouphug ! :P |
| 06:50.22 | Penix | c'mon. you know ya wanna! |
| 06:50.22 | SpeedyG | RvGaTe: took me 2 netinstall cds to figure that out |
| 06:50.34 | pythonic | why is it "obvious" that the cd with kde packages should install kde without asking? |
| 06:50.49 | Azar | I don't want automatic driver updates I surely hope Debian will not adopt this system |
| 06:51.02 | SpeedyG | pythonic: for the same reason windows crashes without asking? :D |
| 06:51.06 | RvGaTe | pythonic: seriously... please... dont waste our time any longer... you know the answer, its up to you to listen or not... |
| 06:51.11 | pythonic | "holy shit... so you mean the kde disc installs kde?" is quite out of place if you can't answer that question |
| 06:51.11 | Solet | azar: i'm sure you'll be able to shut it off |
| 06:51.24 | Azar | Solet: the very idea gives me chills |
| 06:51.28 | Solet | the question had been answered 6 lines before |
| 06:51.28 | Azar | is a BAD idea |
| 06:51.45 | SpeedyG | Azar: it would be nice to have that option tho |
| 06:51.46 | pythonic | no, it hasn't been answered |
| 06:51.52 | SpeedyG | for the 'inexperienced' user |
| 06:51.53 | Solet | yes it has you twit |
| 06:51.56 | Solet | get the netinstall |
| 06:51.59 | Solet | install from that |
| 06:52.02 | pythonic | that's not a solution |
| 06:52.02 | Solet | only base system |
| 06:52.07 | Solet | then put your shit kde disc in |
| 06:52.18 | Solet | add it to your sources list |
| 06:52.20 | Penix | !cookie RvGaTe |
| 06:52.24 | czeroX | hahahaha |
| 06:52.25 | pythonic | yeah, only base packages available too without a connection |
| 06:52.25 | Solet | and apt-get install kde |
| 06:52.25 | Azar | guys, would you like to get crappy updates from some driver company? they don't code, man they script |
| 06:52.42 | RvGaTe | Penix: no idea what im doing... :x |
| 06:52.46 | czeroX | i'll cry |
| 06:52.49 | pythonic | or two cds |
| 06:52.55 | Penix | dunno where that came from |
| 06:52.57 | Azar | don't trust driver, firmware shoddy code to get automatically on your machine |
| 06:53.19 | SpeedyG | Azar: as I said, for the inexperienced user, that would be kinda like a sollution... because they dont want to think about 'oh, i have to update my drivers, but how?' |
| 06:53.33 | SpeedyG | Azar: they want 'hey, an update for my driver ... press ok to continue' |
| 06:53.34 | Azar | SpeedyG: that where ubuntu kicks in |
| 06:53.35 | Penix | Azar: I'm sure most people here aren't using an ubuntu equipped dell. and if they are, they'd probably be smart enough to wipe it clean first |
| 06:53.39 | Solet | http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/downloadImage?fileId=20343 <--- here gnome live cd... surely wont intall a billion kde packages |
| 06:53.45 | RvGaTe | pythonic: have you tried the netinstall yet? |
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| 06:54.02 | SpeedyG | Azar: ok, good point :) tho i'd still like to have the option of installing it ;) |
| 06:54.28 | Azar | Penix: ubuntu is for first time linux users to get their toes dip in the water... |
| 06:54.49 | Penix | what better time to force them to apt-get their way to driver updates |
| 06:54.56 | RvGaTe | Azar:i think ubuntu is a great choice for starting linux users... |
| 06:54.59 | Azar | SpeedyG: ahhhhh I see, yea as an optional package, yes... why not |
| 06:55.10 | Azar | RvGaTe: yep, indeed |
| 06:55.23 | Azar | then who wants to learn more can move to Debian later |
| 06:55.25 | czeroX | hahahaha |
| 06:55.26 | gpm | i think ubuntu is a fine choice for anyone |
| 06:55.32 | gpm | i think debian is a fine choice for anyone |
| 06:55.54 | Solet | i have 2 of each infront of me right now |
| 06:55.55 | RvGaTe | Azar: tho they could work on their graphical installer... seems to take up to 5 hours just to select a timezone... lol |
| 06:56.05 | gpm | i think elitism is bad. |
| 06:56.06 | RvGaTe | Azar: and im not kidding |
| 06:56.09 | czeroX | hahahaha |
| 06:56.28 | czeroX | i think im hungry |
| 06:56.31 | gpm | did something about font rendering change in sid recently? |
| 06:56.32 | czeroX | brb |
| 06:56.33 | Azar | RvGaTe: well yes but it has colors, sound, icons and a cursor moving on the screen man :) |
| 06:56.35 | Solet | i think building a debian router/dns is a fine choice for insanity |
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| 06:56.58 | Azar | Solet: I would call that a fine hobby |
| 06:57.08 | gpm | i think i agree. |
| 06:57.11 | Solet | azar: driving me up the fucking wall =/ |
| 06:57.12 | RvGaTe | Solet: i always have problems with dns :S |
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| 06:57.45 | Solet | i think i'm gonna splitit up... run dhcp and nat on one box, and dns on another inside the nat |
| 06:57.47 | Azar | Solet: it is painful until you get to figure out things |
| 06:58.06 | Solet | slap a fire wall infront of the mess at some point |
| 06:58.19 | garo | Do I have to do something to after I change /etc/security/limits.conf to make the changes active ? |
| 06:58.22 | Solet | azar: have you done it? |
| 06:58.39 | Azar | Solet: try Douglas Comer's Internet Working with TCP/IP :) |
| 06:58.50 | Solet | hmm? |
| 06:59.14 | Azar | Solet: no, but it is the dream of my life to get the time to become a pro on the field |
| 06:59.22 | RvGaTe | garo: according to google... no |
| 06:59.45 | Solet | oh my god that's a big ass book |
| 06:59.50 | garo | k, thanks... |
| 07:00.03 | Azar | Solet: got it as a gift from a dropout student :) |
| 07:00.13 | Solet | azar: it gets easier when you forget to sleep |
| 07:00.16 | Solet | lots of spare time |
| 07:00.20 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 07:00.42 | Azar | unfortunately my job which I love does not let me much time for all I wish to learn.. |
| 07:00.57 | RvGaTe | Azar: working 6 days a week huh? |
| 07:01.02 | Solet | i need to figure out wtf to do with 8 dual proc pentium pro (200mhz), 300meg of ram, 2gig scsi drive servers |
| 07:01.10 | Azar | RvGaTe: sometimes months with no day off |
| 07:01.17 | Solet | i picked up a server rack today with 8 of them for 75 bucks |
| 07:01.25 | RvGaTe | Azar: what kind of work you do ? |
| 07:01.32 | RvGaTe | Solet: cheap.. |
| 07:01.34 | Azar | RvGaTe: accounting |
| 07:01.41 | noob_in_danger | how can i install php5 support for apache2, in chrooted apache2? |
| 07:01.46 | Solet | has a goofy kvm missing cables (and they're strange printer port looking plugs) |
| 07:01.49 | RvGaTe | Solet: chain them together... make a super computer :P |
| 07:01.51 | Solet | has the 220v power hub |
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| 07:02.20 | Solet | controlled cooling system (just fans... but withspeed controllers and temp sensors (no readout tho)) |
| 07:02.44 | Solet | fully enclosed rack... weighs 280lbs empty with doors off |
| 07:02.58 | Solet | about 340 with the switch, kvm power hub and doors all on it |
| 07:03.09 | Solet | about 700 with all the servers in it |
| 07:03.23 | DawnLight | just because... |
| 07:03.30 | Solet | carrying that thing down the stairs empty sucked hard core |
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| 07:04.13 | Penix | garo: you need to relogin |
| 07:04.53 | Azar | Solet: I used to love having my 4PCs setup all running around, until one day, lightning strike... and destroyed all my nice interfacing.. |
| 07:05.45 | garo | Penix: Who is 'you' ? Do all the users that are affected by the change in limits.conf have to relogin ? |
| 07:06.42 | garo | Or is just killing the processes that are now taking too much memory enough ? |
| 07:07.14 | noob_in_danger | :( |
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| 07:07.22 | Penix | garo: is this a server or desktop scenario? |
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| 07:07.37 | wols | noob_in_danger: make sure your php5 files are inside the chroot? |
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| 07:08.40 | noob_in_danger | wols: thats the problem... how can i do this? ldd ??? |
| 07:08.41 | garo | Penix: a shell account server |
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| 07:09.02 | garo | running on a vps with not enough memory |
| 07:09.11 | wols | noob_in_danger: dpkg -l php5 |
| 07:09.24 | wols | oops. dpkg -L <package> |
| 07:09.31 | Selenolycus | Ok, I have a problem: I had a three-hdd system, but one HDD acted funky, so I took it out - is there an easy way to install GRUB on the new primary partition/hdd now? |
| 07:09.45 | Azar | good morning mister wols! |
| 07:09.47 | pythonic | now i've found a real solution. |
| 07:09.58 | pythonic | thanks trolls |
| 07:10.07 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:10.21 | RvGaTe | now im getting curiuss.... whats the solution pythonic ? |
| 07:10.29 | Azar | pythonic: you remind me of a good old joke man... |
| 07:10.31 | pythonic | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10552 |
| 07:11.00 | noob_in_danger | wols: i compiled it manually |
| 07:11.11 | pythonic | the kde cd is an official debian cd. i hoped it would work just like cd-1 but with kde packages on the cd. |
| 07:11.21 | pythonic | (instead of gnome packages on the cd.) |
| 07:11.26 | Nyle | hi |
| 07:11.27 | pythonic | unfortunately it doesn't. |
| 07:11.28 | Azar | two guys in a countryside train... one opens up his lunch box and starts eating some fish...the other just watches. When the first guy finishes the fish tells the other: hey, if you want , I can sell you the fish bones. |
| 07:11.40 | fireba11 | pythonic : i'm curious . what's hard about installing without desktop and doing "apt-get install kde-base" later ? |
| 07:11.41 | Azar | The other is like ok, how much? Five bux replies the other |
| 07:11.46 | pythonic | it installs without asking. but i can override at boot |
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| 07:12.12 | Azar | The guy buys the fish bones, starts sucking at them then all of a sudden asks: why five bux? |
| 07:12.15 | pythonic | fireba11: i'd need two cds or a network connection |
| 07:12.40 | pythonic | (network connection + one cd :-) |
| 07:12.41 | Azar | The original guys say: I sold them cheapily to you, see how your brain has already improved? |
| 07:13.03 | RvGaTe | pythonic: so you didn't have an internet connection? |
| 07:13.20 | fireba11 | pythonic : that's rather normal nowadays |
| 07:13.20 | pythonic | i'm not assuming that i will |
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| 07:13.44 | noob_in_danger | wols can u help? |
| 07:13.45 | SpeedyG | pythonic: ah, that was kinda unclear :) |
| 07:13.49 | pythonic | and if i did i don't want to download hundreds of megs everytime (diverse locations) |
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| 07:14.37 | Azar | well thank you, pythonic: you could have told us you don't have / or want an internet connection for downloads... that makes sense. |
| 07:14.42 | pythonic | i never want to install the whole kit and kaboodle, but i want to have the packages available |
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| 07:15.00 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:15.18 | Azar | pythonic: people around here usually use an internet connection to pick and cherry packages, with no connection you don't have much of a choice do you? |
| 07:15.27 | Azar | Nyle!!! :D |
| 07:15.41 | pythonic | the alternative is using more than one cd, but i don't like that option much either |
| 07:15.42 | Nyle | colon capital d indeed |
| 07:15.52 | Azar | Nyle: read my joke up ^^^^ |
| 07:15.57 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.03 | Nyle | it was funny |
| 07:16.11 | Azar | that how I got you out huh? |
| 07:16.18 | RvGaTe | pythonic: you installing it on multible systems ? |
| 07:16.19 | Nyle | no |
| 07:16.31 | Nyle | i just woke up to eat food |
| 07:16.42 | pythonic | yes, and i need to document the install process |
| 07:16.43 | Nyle | im going back to bed |
| 07:16.52 | Azar | ok good night Nyle |
| 07:16.54 | pythonic | so i'd rather not choose the "expert" option |
| 07:17.05 | pythonic | but a boot line option is ok |
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| 07:17.20 | Nyle | goodnight |
| 07:17.27 | pythonic | (maybe you didn't know the kde cd-1 is official debian cd?) |
| 07:17.45 | pythonic | and why i might expect it to work the same way... |
| 07:17.50 | Azar | I know that a kde "option" was included with Etch |
| 07:18.12 | Azar | or.. there is an Etch with KDE installer somewhere |
| 07:18.20 | SpeedyG | pythonic: we do know that, but that cd is supposed to install KDE, as you pick the choice of downloading a KDE-cd, which assumes you want KDE (and all 600+ packages) installed |
| 07:18.41 | Azar | holly bloat! |
| 07:19.08 | pythonic | it also listens on 0.0.0.0:{111,113} or something... |
| 07:19.09 | fireba11 | Azar : and that is why you usually only want to do apt-get install kde-base |
| 07:19.10 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 07:19.24 | SpeedyG | fireba11: or non-kde at all :D |
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| 07:19.25 | Azar | it is rather nicer to have a no-desktop install then install KDE on your own |
| 07:19.37 | pythonic | yes! |
| 07:19.38 | Azar | yeah kde base |
| 07:19.53 | RvGaTe | pythonic: this is what works best for you... grab one pc... plug it into the internet... install it using the netinstall, install all the packages you want... after setting up the system, grab the dpkg archive and burn all the .deb files to a disc, and use those to install all the other pc's... |
| 07:20.31 | RvGaTe | pythonic: that way, all your systems would be exactly the same |
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| 07:22.52 | schemelab | If I install the Debian Plone, what port will it serve on? Can this be changed so that both apache and plone can serve webpages? |
| 07:22.57 | schemelab | Etch/4.0 Debian I mean |
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| 07:26.23 | SpeedyG | schemelab: have you taken a look at http://plone.org/documentation/phc_topic_area?topic=Configuration+and+Set-Up#plone-with-other-web-servers allready ? |
| 07:26.50 | schemelab | SpeedyG: no, but thanks for the link. I will check it out |
| 07:26.54 | SpeedyG | yw :) |
| 07:27.11 | schemelab | I think there is a way to use apt-cache to get this sort of info isnt there? |
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| 07:27.44 | dondelelcaro | schemelab: not that particularly bit of information |
| 07:27.51 | dondelelcaro | schemelab: but like all webservers, it should be configurable. |
| 07:27.57 | schemelab | apt-cache info filename.deb? |
| 07:28.09 | dondelelcaro | schemelab: no, apt-cache show foopkg; man apt-cache. |
| 07:28.23 | dondelelcaro | (apt-cache doesn't deal with .deb files) |
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| 07:29.45 | Azar | good morning honorable dondelecaro :) |
| 07:30.01 | dondelelcaro | sup |
| 07:30.17 | RvGaTe | Azar: you didn't honor me... whats up with that? *angry look* |
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| 07:30.36 | Azar | trying to install (again) Debian GNU |
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| 07:30.52 | Azar | RvGaTe: I honored everyone when I stepped in |
| 07:31.04 | RvGaTe | Azar: oh.. right... |
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| 07:31.17 | Azar | RvGaTe: funny how new visitors label you "troll" hehe |
| 07:31.42 | RvGaTe | Azar: yeah... guess that was kinda funny.. |
| 07:31.53 | RvGaTe | i wonder why tho ... :P |
| 07:31.55 | dalias | hey, i've had this really strange bug with firefox^Wiceweasel for a long time and don't see it reported anywhere: |
| 07:32.13 | Azar | :D |
| 07:32.27 | dalias | on many links, when i move the mouse over them, the text glitches slightly by moving one pixel to the side |
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| 07:32.33 | SpeedyG | RvGaTe isnt a troll? o_ô ;) :P |
| 07:32.39 | dalias | focusing another window with the mouse undoes the glitch |
| 07:32.55 | dalias | o_� |
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| 07:33.14 | Azar | dalias: strange objects on the internet.... |
| 07:33.20 | dondelelcaro | dalias: yeah, there are some issues with the text rendering in firefox |
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| 07:33.25 | dalias | also when scrolling, sometimes text is offset one pixel up/down |
| 07:33.41 | dondelelcaro | dalias: one of the more common issues is with ligatures |
| 07:33.51 | dalias | i know that issue |
| 07:33.55 | dalias | but this is a separate issue |
| 07:34.12 | dondelelcaro | file a bug? |
| 07:34.24 | Sebboh | How long can a bash command line be? Specifically, suppose I do something like ls * but, the current directory has 200,000 files in it.. And they have long names. :P .. bash is using 20 megs of ram so far and it hasn't even spawned the child process, it's just chewing on the glob. :P |
| 07:34.27 | dalias | well i'm trying to figure out if it's known |
| 07:34.40 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: you want to use find + xargs |
| 07:34.41 | dalias | and if it's already reported |
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| 07:34.55 | dalias | but i can't even think of the right keywords to search for |
| 07:35.02 | dondelelcaro | (or don't even bother ls'ing that directory) |
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| 07:35.26 | dalias | sebboh, "ls *" makes no sense |
| 07:35.33 | dalias | you should just use "ls ." or plain "ls" |
| 07:35.42 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro, the child process isn't ls like I indicated, it's exiftool (a perl script). ..Hmm, I can still use xargs for that, huh? |
| 07:35.42 | enouf | use echo * |
| 07:35.49 | dalias | enouf, no, baaaaad diea |
| 07:35.51 | dalias | idea |
| 07:35.54 | dalias | command line limit is usually 32k |
| 07:36.00 | enouf | nope |
| 07:36.00 | dalias | including the environment and command line |
| 07:36.11 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: yes. |
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| 07:36.50 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:37.01 | dalias | sebboh, xargs will run the program several times, filling up as many names as will fit on the commandline each time |
| 07:37.18 | enouf | and/or use +, instead of \; |
| 07:37.25 | Sebboh | btw, if I really wanted to know a list of the files in that dir, I'd ask the database. ;P the ls was an example. Ok guys, thanks. dalias, hmm, I have definately already gone over 32k command line length.. |
| 07:37.43 | Sebboh | dalias, sounds good. |
| 07:37.57 | dondelelcaro | yeah, we don't take well to examples. In the future, tell us exactly what you're doing. |
| 07:37.57 | Azar | o/t but isn't rather strange that once Stallman went to Peru two events of importance happened: 1. Stallman stepped down from the airplane and an earthquake happened: a BIG ONE too. 2. A meteorite fell near titicaca lake... now what next? |
| 07:38.06 | wols_ | NooB: why did you compile it manually? it exists in debian just fine, as does apche |
| 07:38.10 | wols_ | *apache |
| 07:38.24 | Azar | messer dimir :) |
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| 07:38.48 | wols_ | Azar: the aliens will land and will capture so he can become their new all enlightened leader |
| 07:38.59 | Azar | :D heeehehehehe |
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| 07:39.09 | dondelelcaro | one hopes not |
| 07:39.14 | dalias | so anyone else observed link text jittering by 1 pixel when you move the mouse over it? |
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| 07:39.22 | wols_ | alternatively strange coincidences will continue until the CIA finally has perfected their new eaponsystem they're testing on stallman |
| 07:39.35 | Azar | wols_: it is said that fumes from the meteorite made sick people there... bull! it was Stallman's farts |
| 07:39.40 | dimir | Azar: ;) |
| 07:39.42 | wols_ | *weaponsystem |
| 07:39.51 | dalias | hmm it only seems to happen on some sites |
| 07:39.53 | dalias | not others |
| 07:39.54 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro, examples have their purposes. My question was about shell wildcard expansion, not about the perlscript. If I hadn't accidently picked an absurd example, our conversation would have been more efficent. ;) Not that I'm complaining. This went well. |
| 07:40.13 | Azar | dalias: same as some sites are killing my firefox.. |
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| 07:40.23 | wols_ | Azar: if anything, it was the stallmans body odor, strenghtened by not showering for weeks |
| 07:40.37 | Azar | damn right! |
| 07:40.37 | enouf | Sebboh http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind#head-74828b0092e7315092bb24953bd5b6c9a8e976a0 |
| 07:40.41 | Sebboh | I googled across Stallman's personal add earlier today. (Accidentally, I assure you.) |
| 07:40.46 | dalias | azar, do you perhaps have a dangling symlink to a nonexistant font in one of your font dirs? |
| 07:40.52 | dalias | that's the most common reason for it |
| 07:40.57 | enouf | man i fucked up my irc client config |
| 07:41.05 | wols_ | nobody knows what lives in that hair of his. no one who started a expedition to his hair has ever returne. Heart of Darkness indeed |
| 07:41.26 | dondelelcaro | Azar, wols_: that rumor is a bit strange, though; it seems that the only people who propogate it are people who haven't actually met and talked with him for any period of time |
| 07:41.33 | Sebboh | heh wols when you state into the abyss, the abyss stares back. |
| 07:41.36 | Azar | dalias: no idea, but I use the simplest firefox browser (no plugins... or other stuff) |
| 07:41.59 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I was just joking, /me loves Stallman |
| 07:42.05 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: it should be obvious I'm joking. and no I haven't ever met him. we can't all |
| 07:42.21 | Sebboh | stallman.org/extra :P iirc. |
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| 07:42.26 | Sebboh | random stuff. |
| 07:42.45 | Sebboh | azar, double eew. |
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| 07:43.25 | Azar | tho I would still use vim over emacs |
| 07:43.25 | dondelelcaro | Azar, wols_: since he's been no dirtier than I was on any of the occasions I've talked with him (not that I'm a great example of concern with personal hygene, though.) |
| 07:43.26 | Sebboh | see what happens when you take RMS's name in vain? The net has split. |
| 07:43.38 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I am just glad he escaped injury on the earthquake and wasn't hit by the meteor |
| 07:44.16 | Sebboh | That was just peru's way of saying Hey everybody, look who's here. |
| 07:44.30 | Azar | but I allways was thinking: ouch, Stallman is there (everytime something happened in Peru) |
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| 07:45.21 | Sebboh | dawn hehe you invoked /link eh? ;) |
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| 07:45.46 | DawnLight | thanks spirits! |
| 07:45.58 | Sebboh | DawnLight :) |
| 07:46.03 | Sebboh | anywho peace all |
| 07:46.32 | humbolto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:47.07 | Azar | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9029 |
| 07:47.19 | Azar | mister tarzeau!!! long time no see :) |
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| 07:48.06 | noob_in_danger | hey. is there any way to make a chroot of my system, so i can install services i want and then run them all chrooted, without the need of copying files from my default system to a chroot dir? |
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| 07:48.55 | Trewas | humbolto: changing gconf settings with gconf-editor etc "official" tools (not by editing the files directly) should make the changes take effect immediately |
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| 07:50.23 | tarzeau | Azar: hello |
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| 07:51.48 | humbolto | Trewas: does not seem to be the case for evolution |
| 07:51.51 | Azar | tarzeau: got Halo3? |
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| 07:52.24 | tarzeau | Azar: nope |
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| 07:52.45 | humbolto | Trewas: I have a completely weird error after I used my gnome 2.18 home with gnome 2.20 |
| 07:53.02 | kiorky | helloo im searching the current debian developpes number |
| 07:53.12 | kiorky | if someone has some approximation about it :p |
| 07:53.14 | Azar | phone number? |
| 07:53.24 | kiorky | no, total number of core devc |
| 07:53.27 | kiorky | -c |
| 07:53.39 | Azar | uh I only know they are hundreds and hundreds.. |
| 07:53.57 | Azar | maybe dondelecaro knows better |
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| 07:54.11 | hermann_348 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=6460491 |
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| 07:55.26 | kiorky | dondelelcaro: any idea? :) |
| 07:55.53 | dondelelcaro | kiorky: do you want developers or maintainers? |
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| 07:56.02 | kiorky | dondelelcaro: both if possible |
| 07:56.07 | dondelelcaro | !dstats |
| 07:56.20 | RvGaTe | Azar: you up for a game? :P |
| 07:56.35 | dondelelcaro | the number of developers is somewhere around 800, though the number of really active ones is probably closer to 350-400. |
| 07:56.41 | tarzeau | Azar: tried the new pingus yet? or funguloids? |
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| 07:56.56 | Azar | my my, now mailing list archives at linux includes BSD , maybe buddy buddy with Theo now |
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| 07:57.14 | dondelelcaro | !+dstats |
| 07:57.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:57.17 | Azar | pingus? funguloids? /me rushes to install :D |
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| 07:57.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21565 packages, 1881 maintainers, 54697 MB installed size, 18907 MB compressed size. |
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| 07:57.35 | kiorky | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 07:58.08 | Azar | :P yay! |
| 07:58.36 | dondelelcaro | heh. looks like unstable is entering the 6 DVD range |
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| 07:58.56 | geo-rge | gzzus |
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| 07:59.18 | geo-rge | !+dstats etch |
| 07:59.19 | Azar | holy bloat! |
| 07:59.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 08:00.06 | rzimek78 | in which file there is how many virtual terminal I can have? |
| 08:00.10 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18715 packages, 1729 maintainers, 42065 MB installed size, 13766 MB compressed size. |
| 08:00.26 | geo-rge | thats pretty close |
| 08:00.54 | rzimek78 | in FreeBSD it is in /etc/ttys, but in GNU/Linux? |
| 08:01.07 | dondelelcaro | rzimek78: it's /etc/inittab |
| 08:01.13 | RvGaTe | only 42gb for a complete install of debian etch?.... cool... thats less then vista.... lol :P </sarcasm> |
| 08:01.16 | geo-rge | so now you have to be able to think about 5 things, -2 or +19000 |
| 08:01.23 | dondelelcaro | rzimek78: assuming you're talking about real vts, not ptys. |
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| 08:02.02 | geo-rge | RvGaTe: on top of which some of those conflict |
| 08:02.15 | wols_ | RvGaTe: abd yiz get about a dozen MTAs, 200 editors, 20 WMs and DEs,... |
| 08:02.16 | rzimek78 | tty1, tty2 and so on, :) |
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| 08:03.27 | RvGaTe | :) |
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| 08:04.03 | aspWork | anybody else having problems with gnome-applets under sid as of late? sysmon, media_player, weather etc all crash on load for me since this morning |
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| 08:04.53 | ddma | does anybody know of a debian mirror with woody? |
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| 08:05.20 | Dreamlinux | hi there |
| 08:05.23 | Dreamlinux | :) |
| 08:05.40 | tarzeau | ddma: which arch? you still have such systems? |
| 08:05.47 | Dreamlinux | i have a problem my friends. |
| 08:06.05 | Azar | thank you tarzeau! :D |
| 08:06.23 | ddma | tarzeau: i686 |
| 08:07.06 | Dreamlinux | how i can read a file in format .cgi from my browser? |
| 08:07.16 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: you can't |
| 08:07.26 | Dreamlinux | really? |
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| 08:07.29 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: unless it's not executed on the webserver, and sent in clear text |
| 08:07.29 | Dreamlinux | mm.. |
| 08:07.38 | tarzeau | Dreamlinux: you can ask the people who wrote it to give you the source? |
| 08:07.47 | wols_ | a cgi is a script that creates html or something else that your browser understands |
| 08:08.25 | Dreamlinux | you want see the source? |
| 08:08.27 | wols_ | Dreamlinux: it's the same with .php: you can't see the php code when you call the page in your browser |
| 08:08.37 | Dreamlinux | wait.. |
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| 08:09.37 | jelly-home | ... unless your cgi is one of those apps that output their own code |
| 08:10.08 | Dreamlinux | well here are the sourcecode > http://dreamlinux.homelinux.org/monitoreo2/rrdtool/traffic.cgi |
| 08:10.26 | wols_ | jelly-home: or the webservre is misconfigured (much more likely) :) |
| 08:10.33 | aspWork | seems like a broken dependency to libwnck18 is the problem |
| 08:10.42 | aspWork | wonder if sid really was for me <g> |
| 08:11.05 | wols_ | welcome to sid aspWork |
| 08:11.12 | Azar | Lenny could be less broken |
| 08:11.19 | aspWork | wols_, thnx =) |
| 08:11.54 | wols_ | !wayttd Dreamlinux |
| 08:11.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Dreamlinux? |
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| 08:12.17 | wols_ | aspWork: fyi, currently there is no nvidia driver in lenny :) |
| 08:12.26 | Azar | I wonder, if sid is not recommended for new users... and ubuntus are based on sid... and is advertised as the esiest on new users... does make it sense? |
| 08:12.29 | Dreamlinux | look.. i follow this guide |
| 08:12.38 | Dreamlinux | http://martybugs.net/linux/rrdtool/traffic.cgi |
| 08:12.43 | wols_ | and lenny krenel 2.6.21 is unable to run the driver since there is a GPL symbol problem :) |
| 08:12.56 | aspWork | wols_, well, etch it is then <g> |
| 08:12.59 | Azar | suuuuuuuuxx |
| 08:13.21 | Spi | Azar: it makes sense since Ubuntu is JUST based on Sid. Not equal |
| 08:13.23 | Azar | I stay with Sarge on this box for now |
| 08:13.37 | Azar | Spi: ah I see.. thanks |
| 08:13.51 | dalias | sarge is really outdated.. |
| 08:14.02 | Penix | windows xp is really outdated |
| 08:14.12 | wols_ | Dreamlinux: an what is your problem exactly? |
| 08:14.14 | Azar | dalias: for those who want to use the latest PC.. latest gadgets, yes |
| 08:14.27 | dalias | even etch is really outdated |
| 08:14.32 | DawnLight | my etch here is outdated so i don't know what you're thinking with that sarge |
| 08:14.37 | Azar | outdated for... what? |
| 08:14.39 | dalias | and i would never dream of using 'latest pc' |
| 08:14.54 | Azar | define outdated |
| 08:15.00 | Penix | define define |
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| 08:15.03 | jelly-home | I'm outdated but I still work |
| 08:15.06 | Azar | for me, outdated is a thing that is not working no more |
| 08:15.16 | DawnLight | it has wrinkles |
| 08:15.19 | mhall | What's the right kernel mailing list for asking questions on SATA controller driver issues? linux-scsi? |
| 08:15.43 | Azar | my outdated version has nvidia driver, alsa working good, .. |
| 08:16.05 | dalias | azar, from my perspective, it has fairly bad multilingual support |
| 08:16.07 | DawnLight | aren't you tempted to upgrade? |
| 08:16.11 | dalias | doesn't even default to utf-8 |
| 08:16.31 | Azar | but do I need multilingual support? or utf-8 ? |
| 08:16.42 | dalias | that's why i said from my perspective |
| 08:16.50 | dalias | other issues would be that it probably packages old versions of firefox and openoffice, etc. |
| 08:16.53 | Azar | ah yes for those who need them indeed |
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| 08:17.20 | aspWork | do we have a timeframe for gnome 2.20 to be included in sid? |
| 08:17.21 | DawnLight | if you're not using a desktop environment, i can understand. but a newer set of my favorite apps is always welcome! |
| 08:17.32 | Azar | dalias: yes packages are old indeed. but they work |
| 08:17.39 | Penix | lots of people own cars manufactured ~40 years ago |
| 08:17.46 | Penix | some (most?) don't have airbags |
| 08:17.50 | Penix | they don't all upgrade |
| 08:17.58 | dalias | penix, we just had this conversation on #emacs earlier |
| 08:18.03 | Penix | heh |
| 08:18.04 | dalias | the claim that airbags save lives is false |
| 08:18.09 | Penix | doesn't matter |
| 08:18.11 | Penix | it's a 'feature' |
| 08:18.14 | Penix | whether or not it works |
| 08:18.18 | dalias | :) |
| 08:18.21 | Azar | the newer versions come with lot of improvements and thanks to the Debian team efforts to bring 'em on |
| 08:18.28 | Azar | but they are bloated by the version |
| 08:18.51 | dalias | yes, sadly software that gets overall-better rather than just more bloated is rare :( |
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| 08:19.02 | dalias | emacs is one of the few exceptions. i love emacs |
| 08:19.05 | Azar | Let's see next year on Lenny if it comes out if it fits on 3GB (all apps included) |
| 08:19.19 | dalias | bloat has increased very little since the early 90s, but functionality has improved a lot |
| 08:19.32 | Azar | hehehe dont you touch that! |
| 08:19.32 | surrounder | hehe |
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| 08:19.36 | dalias | :) |
| 08:19.40 | Penix | so, what's the opposite of bloat? stagnation? |
| 08:19.44 | Azar | if I ever "upgrade" I go to Debian GNU |
| 08:19.45 | dalias | no |
| 08:20.06 | Penix | I've never understood the connection between new features and this mystical 'bloat' |
| 08:20.06 | dalias | the opposite of bloat is studying and understanding the problem you're trying to solve and solving it in an efficient and clever way |
| 08:20.11 | Azar | damn I can't manage the partitioning yet! |
| 08:20.22 | dalias | rather than just applying whatever patch some ignorant newbie coder gives you |
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| 08:20.53 | Penix | if you're an accomplished developer applying 'newbie' patches willy nilly, you've got bigger problems |
| 08:20.55 | jelly-home | Penix: bloat <-> elegant? |
| 08:21.21 | tarzeau | bloat is cumbersome, so software that doesn't feel cumbersome is the opposite (call it what you want) |
| 08:21.28 | dalias | well consider apps with problems supporting ctl languages |
| 08:21.31 | wols_ | Dreamlinux: msging people in #debian randomly is a very DUMB idea. please don't do it |
| 08:21.46 | dalias | lots of them don't understand international text support issues |
| 08:22.19 | dalias | so they just accept patches to "attach pango" from someone who understands the issues partially, but who doesn't understand coding well at all |
| 08:22.31 | dalias | and then you end up with big bloat |
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| 08:22.51 | dalias | it doesn't mean the feature was bloated |
| 08:23.00 | dalias | it means the problem was solved in the wrong way, resulting in bloat |
| 08:23.03 | Azar | patches... in Debian? |
| 08:23.23 | Dreamlinux | bye all.. thank! |
| 08:23.25 | dalias | hacking pango into firefox was done by redhat iirc |
| 08:23.30 | dalias | and that patch is from them |
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| 08:23.52 | dalias | thankfully firefox 3 is redoing it mostly correctly |
| 08:24.03 | dalias | but it's not out yet :( |
| 08:24.29 | dalias | rxvt-unicode is another great bloat example |
| 08:24.31 | Azar | dalias: bloat: amount of storage and hogging down memory by a big bunch of applications and their dependent processess |
| 08:24.38 | dalias | rxvt was designed to be a light xterm replacement |
| 08:25.08 | Penix | Azar: you definition is extremely relative |
| 08:25.12 | Penix | your rather |
| 08:25.14 | jelly-home | dalias: rxvt-unicode has compile time options to disable most of the options |
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| 08:25.24 | dalias | then this crazy c++ guy came and added unicode support (along with lots of other features) in a way which made rxvt over 10x as resource-hungry! |
| 08:25.28 | Azar | Penix: well is just what I feel when I say "bloat" |
| 08:25.36 | microtux | iwant to set up a serial console for my linux; but i have some problems. Someone could help me ? |
| 08:25.46 | Penix | Azar: that's why I have a problem with the term |
| 08:25.51 | wols_ | !tell microtux about ask |
| 08:25.58 | jelly-home | dalias: I like and need unicode |
| 08:26.03 | dalias | jelly-home, compile-time isn't very useful for a dist. and even if it were, even with all the new features disabled rxvt-unicode is still a ton better than rxvt |
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| 08:26.07 | dalias | jelly-home, of course. we all do. |
| 08:26.14 | dalias | read what i said! |
| 08:26.19 | dalias | unicode support is not bloat |
| 08:26.20 | dondelelcaro | dalias: except that it's not rxvt, it's now rxvt-unicode, and as far as unicode support it's pretty much the best terminal extant |
| 08:26.27 | dalias | rxvt-unicode's horrible implemntation is what's bloat |
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| 08:26.50 | jelly-home | dalias: uh, UTSL? |
| 08:27.26 | dalias | dondelelcaro, rxvt-unicode has no support for CTL, indic langs, etc. and very poor support for combining characters |
| 08:27.30 | dalias | hardly good unicode support... |
| 08:27.37 | dalias | jelly-home, ? |
| 08:27.45 | jelly-home | fix the code. |
| 08:28.06 | dalias | jelly-home, what does UTSL mean? |
| 08:28.23 | jelly-home | use the source, Luke |
| 08:28.28 | dalias | ahh :P |
| 08:28.42 | microtux | wols_, understood, thx |
| 08:28.42 | Penix | dalias: I see your point, but despite the methods used, unicode support was the goal, and that goal was achieved |
| 08:28.42 | geo-rge | microtux: you've read the serial-howto? |
| 08:28.44 | dondelelcaro | dalias: I never said it was good, I just said it was the best. |
| 08:28.44 | microtux | ;) |
| 08:28.46 | dalias | well rxvt-unicode is pretty much the wrong starting point |
| 08:28.47 | Penix | poor support doesn't imply bloat |
| 08:28.51 | microtux | geo-rge, yes |
| 08:29.04 | microtux | geo-rge, it asks me for login/passwd |
| 08:29.13 | geo-rge | so the link works |
| 08:29.15 | geo-rge | yes? |
| 08:29.20 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, the best that I know of) |
| 08:29.23 | mhall | What's the right kernel mailing list for asking questions on SATA controller driver issues? linux-scsi? |
| 08:29.26 | dalias | if all you want is simple unicode support on the level of what rxvt-unicode has, it could be hacked into plain rxvt (with minimal size increase) much more easily than debloating rxvt-unicode |
| 08:29.26 | microtux | yes the link works |
| 08:29.32 | geo-rge | both ways? |
| 08:29.56 | microtux | but when i enter login passwd it says no passwd for mocrotux on ttyS0 |
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| 08:30.05 | jelly-home | dalias: on my machine, urxvt uses less VSZ than say aterm. |
| 08:30.26 | geo-rge | never seen that before |
| 08:30.29 | capiira | hi |
| 08:30.36 | Penix | speaking of terminals, I can't believe I'm still an eterm whore without even knowing why |
| 08:30.58 | jelly-home | dalias: maybe you missed that Debian has two builds of it, one without freetype (and other bloat ;-) |
| 08:31.36 | thedonvaughn | rxvt-unicode and rxvt-unicode-lite |
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| 08:32.00 | dalias | 3380 drf 15 0 13152 7428 5548 S 0.0 5.9 0:00.35 rxvt |
| 08:32.07 | dalias | looks pretty big to me |
| 08:32.13 | dalias | 1.9 megs |
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| 08:32.18 | steinchen | morning |
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| 08:32.24 | mhall | steinchen: moin |
| 08:32.24 | steinchen | how do i change the cpufreq in lenny? |
| 08:32.25 | dalias | (rss-shared) |
| 08:32.43 | dalias | compared to |
| 08:32.44 | dalias | 2581 drf 15 0 5688 1132 976 S 0.3 0.9 0:26.75 uuterm-x11 |
| 08:32.48 | steinchen | moin moin |
| 08:32.57 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 08:33.16 | Um3ggh1U | hello |
| 08:33.19 | dalias | (156k) |
| 08:33.20 | microtux | geo-rge, here is the full message |
| 08:33.26 | jelly-home | dalias: is that rxvt-unicode or rxvt-unicode-lite? |
| 08:33.28 | microtux | geo-rge, invalid password for `root' on `ttyS0 |
| 08:33.36 | dalias | jelly-home, the full one |
| 08:33.43 | Fox_1_ | people I have added unstable repository in my sources.list and now want to upgrade my system, but not all packages. for example only firefox. how can I do that? |
| 08:33.43 | jelly-home | dalias: well duh |
| 08:33.56 | dalias | should i try the lite version? what is is missing? |
| 08:34.08 | geo-rge | microtux: can you log in as any other user? |
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| 08:34.25 | jelly-home | dalias: freetype / antialised fonts is what is most visible |
| 08:34.47 | microtux | geo-rge, no, the same problem for all users |
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| 08:34.55 | geo-rge | ok |
| 08:34.55 | dalias | well that would be important if it were going to do CTL support, but since it doesn't that's fairly useless.. |
| 08:35.17 | geo-rge | what do you have the other end of the serial cable hooked to |
| 08:35.32 | dalias | i'll check it out |
| 08:35.36 | jelly-home | dalias: and there's also its client/server model of you want to further reduce the memory footprint. downside: you kill the daemon, all windows die. |
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| 08:35.53 | jelly-home | and it doesn't play well with session management |
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| 08:36.26 | Knight_Lord | Hi. Did anyone ever installed Lustre with debian? |
| 08:36.34 | geo-rge | what getty you using |
| 08:36.49 | dalias | jelly-home, i only use one terminal window usually anyway... |
| 08:37.04 | microtux | geo-rge, i'm using a usb-serial cable, the usb is hooked to my box, the serial to the system i'm trynig to access |
| 08:37.06 | Knight_Lord | I'm planning on trying it out and I was wondering how difficult it is to set it up and if anyone has any good pointers? |
| 08:37.08 | steinchen | cpufreq-set and cpufreqd doenst work together?? |
| 08:37.17 | jelly-home | microtux: is ttyS0 listed in /etc/securetty? |
| 08:37.25 | dalias | ok, i had the -ml package installed which is apparently very bloated |
| 08:37.32 | dalias | i'll try the lite |
| 08:37.32 | microtux | jelly-home, yes |
| 08:38.28 | geo-rge | microtux: well the baud rate is correct |
| 08:38.47 | geo-rge | but I'm thinking the parity setting is different on either side |
| 08:38.57 | dalias | much better at least: |
| 08:39.01 | dalias | 3611 drf 15 0 7144 2728 2384 R 0.0 2.2 0:00.05 rxvt |
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| 08:39.45 | geo-rge | can you kill off the getty temporarily and put minicom on the local side |
| 08:39.51 | microtux | geo-rge, the baudrate is ok, but i'll check the parity |
| 08:40.25 | microtux | kill getty on remote system? |
| 08:40.37 | dalias | ok, this is certainly a usable terminal aside from the limitations on its unicode support |
| 08:40.46 | geo-rge | umm wait |
| 08:40.52 | geo-rge | describe the situation first |
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| 08:41.44 | microtux | geo-rge, ok, i'll describe |
| 08:41.44 | dalias | so rxvt-unicode was not one of the best examples for bloat, sorry |
| 08:42.05 | geo-rge | so you have the box to be logged into on one side of the serial link |
| 08:42.16 | microtux | i'm trying to establish a serial console between 2 linux boxes. i'm |
| 08:42.17 | geo-rge | I guess that's the nonusb side? |
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| 08:42.25 | jelly-home | is this bloat? |
| 08:42.27 | microtux | yes |
| 08:42.28 | jelly-home | 10626 jelly 20 0 138M 30996 18824 S 2.0 1.7 - 1:04.25 amarokapp |
| 08:42.50 | microtux | yes the remote box is on the serial side |
| 08:42.55 | geo-rge | jellybloat! |
| 08:42.58 | microtux | the local box on the usb side |
| 08:43.04 | slapfaceware | can i ask something about iptables? |
| 08:43.09 | geo-rge | are they in the same room? |
| 08:43.21 | microtux | yes |
| 08:43.22 | slapfaceware | i want to find out which script load firewall |
| 08:43.56 | geo-rge | microtux: are you also in that room? |
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| 08:44.54 | microtux | geo-rge, yes |
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| 08:45.14 | geo-rge | ok, so it's not like you have to drive a thousand miles to reboot the box |
| 08:45.45 | steinchen | mmmh |
| 08:45.46 | geo-rge | or pay for some admin guy to do it |
| 08:46.00 | microtux | geo-rge, of course, but i rebooted it so many times |
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| 08:46.10 | geo-rge | not asking you to |
| 08:46.11 | steinchen | thinkpad T41 isnt able to scale the cpu frequency in lenny??? |
| 08:46.42 | geo-rge | just making sure you have physical access to the machines on both sides of the serial cable |
| 08:46.47 | maddash_ | :( |
| 08:46.52 | maddash_ | my box has been hacked |
| 08:46.56 | jelly-home | steinchen: it ought to, which cpu? |
| 08:47.21 | microtux | yeah i have physical access on both machines, the boxes are in my desk |
| 08:47.30 | geo-rge | ok one sec |
| 08:47.58 | steinchen | jelly-home, Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz |
| 08:48.18 | DawnLight | maddash_: who did it! |
| 08:48.31 | wols_ | microtux: can't you log in as "microtux" or such? |
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| 08:48.47 | microtux | wols_, no i can't |
| 08:48.51 | wols_ | cause if you can type your name and you can see the login prompt, the connection is alright |
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| 08:49.09 | wols_ | then it can only be a software or configuration problem |
| 08:49.16 | wols_ | can you log in to the normal console? |
| 08:49.19 | wols_ | or via ssh? |
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| 08:50.26 | geo-rge | it -looks- like the link is good |
| 08:50.34 | microtux | wols_, ssh is not setup yet, |
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| 08:51.16 | jelly-home | steinchen: do you have acpi-cpufreq or speedstep-centrino modules loaded? |
| 08:51.23 | geo-rge | let's name em |
| 08:51.25 | microtux | wols_, the link is ok cause it display linux boot sequence via serial link |
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| 08:53.24 | steinchen | first yes, 2nd modprobe brings "FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 08:53.24 | steinchen | " |
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| 08:55.29 | jelly-home | steinchen: that's ok, either one ought to work with a P-M |
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| 08:56.12 | jelly-home | steinchen: is cpufreq_ondemand loaded? |
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| 08:56.38 | Trentster | Hey all, is it possible to put a dynamic dns hostname into " /etc/hosts.allow " I am trying with this format but it wont work " sshd : host.dyndns.org " any ideas? |
| 08:56.49 | steinchen | jelly-home, yes, aswell as "freq_table 4512 3 acpi_cpufreq,cpufreq_ondemand,cpufreq_stats" |
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| 08:58.20 | jelly-home | steinchen: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_*governor* |
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| 09:01.16 | steinchen | jelly-home, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_*governor* - powersave userspace ondemand conservative performance - userspace |
| 09:01.33 | slapfaceware | how to find out which script load firewall |
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| 09:02.16 | jelly-home | steinchen: you have a freq. managing daemon installed? Try echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 09:02.46 | slapfaceware | is there good howto about iptables usage? |
| 09:03.28 | jelly-home | steinchen: you can also verify there's more than one freq listed in scaling_available_frequencies |
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| 09:04.20 | steinchen | jelly-home, there are all frequencies listet ... cpufreqd is installed, yes |
| 09:04.39 | steinchen | that echo command did not gave any output but worked |
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| 09:05.12 | Greek-Boy | I tried to run debian etch on an HP DL180 G2. Everything works fine until there is activity on the NIC. It just drops the connection and I have to bring it back up with ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0. Very strange behavior. |
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| 09:05.29 | Greek-Boy | I tried to install debian sarge on the same server but it doesn't detect the ide raid :( |
| 09:05.34 | jelly-home | steinchen: cating the same file should confirm that you're now using the ondemand governor (and freq. should drop unless you have cpu intensive app running) |
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| 09:05.58 | wols_ | Greek-Boy: what do your logs say? |
| 09:06.24 | Greek-Boy | wols_ which logs should I look at? |
| 09:06.42 | wols_ | all of them, especially the ones where the kernel outputs stuff into |
| 09:07.05 | Greek-Boy | hmmm |
| 09:07.07 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 09:07.13 | Greek-Boy | will have a look... |
| 09:07.20 | Shifty | how can i locate the folder .torrent? |
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| 09:07.53 | wols_ | Shifty: with locate or find |
| 09:08.20 | steinchen | jelly-home, mmh.. cat gives out ondemand now, but starting i.g. google-earth doesnt raise the freq .. still at 600mhz all the time |
| 09:08.38 | Shifty | ty |
| 09:09.05 | Shifty | wols ... how do you do that, that you can alwayst be online? |
| 09:09.09 | wols_ | hmmm, seems they don't find .dotfiles. maybe try ls ~/.torrent |
| 09:09.19 | Shifty | it worked |
| 09:09.33 | wols_ | linux serverr running 24/7+screen+irssi |
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| 09:10.29 | jelly-home | steinchen: what about running cp /dev/zero /dev/null & ? |
| 09:10.58 | jelly-home | steinchen: can you pastebin the output of cpufreqd-get ? |
| 09:11.04 | Shifty | what do you do all the time? working? |
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| 09:11.43 | steinchen | esc |
| 09:11.45 | steinchen | sec |
| 09:12.02 | steinchen | cpufreqd-get - No cpufreqd socket found |
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| 09:12.57 | jelly-home | steinchen: sounds like it isn't started at all, is it in the process list> |
| 09:13.16 | steinchen | 2665 ? Ss 0:17 /usr/sbin/cpufreqd -f /etc/cpufreqd.conf |
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| 09:14.30 | jelly-home | steinchen: anyway, check scaling_max_freq ... if it's at 600000, that's the reason. echo 1800000 (or whatever's your max) into it. |
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| 09:16.48 | steinchen | jelly-home, where? |
| 09:17.05 | jelly-home | steinchen: same file, same /sys directory |
| 09:17.45 | dondelelcaro | well, that was annoying |
| 09:17.49 | microtux | !console |
| 09:17.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, console is the opposite of x, or your ass in a can |
| 09:18.05 | microtux | !terminal |
| 09:18.12 | jelly-home | steinchen: take a look at the contents of the directory, the writable files are tunables for cpufreq |
| 09:18.22 | steinchen | aaah |
| 09:18.43 | maddash | wtf? |
| 09:18.49 | Um3ggh1U | anyone have problem to install mod_mono? |
| 09:19.00 | RvGaTe | jelly-home: you actually saying that you can tune your cpu using those files? i thought they were read only.. |
| 09:19.05 | maddash | I changed my static ip, and now my box is sending out icmp packets to my old ip |
| 09:19.14 | steinchen | jelly-home, thanks .. thats it |
| 09:19.28 | steinchen | why was it at 600mhz only? can i set it defaulty to 1.6ghz? |
| 09:20.21 | Shifty | how can i set chomd for user xy if i am root'`? (cant find info in man) |
| 09:20.21 | jelly-home | steinchen: it's possible cpufreqd has dumb defaults. If you want to use it, you need to uncomment (or add? not sure anymore) enable_remote=1 in [General] section of the conf file. also put your users' group in remote_group= to be able to change the current setup as user. |
| 09:20.24 | microtux | geo-rge, still here |
| 09:20.28 | microtux | ..?? |
| 09:20.33 | dondelelcaro | Shifty: chown foouser foofile; man chmod |
| 09:20.37 | dondelelcaro | s/chmod/chown/ |
| 09:20.50 | dondelelcaro | Shifty: and you probably also want to info coreutils 'File Permissions'; while you're at it. |
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| 09:22.14 | microtux | wols_, i made another try using minicom, it asks me for a login/passwd, but minicom shows the status 'disconnected' |
| 09:22.23 | microtux | and i can't write login passwd |
| 09:22.29 | jelly-home | steinchen: the simplest setup would probably be to remove cpufreqd completely, install cpufrequtils instead, and set up the variables in /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 09:22.58 | Shifty | dondelelcaro how for a directory? |
| 09:23.12 | steinchen | jelly-home, thought so too thanks.. already on it |
| 09:23.14 | dondelelcaro | Shifty: for a single directory, it's the same thing. |
| 09:23.18 | Penix | Shifty: like he said, man chmod will tell you |
| 09:23.29 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: yes, files in /sys and /proc/sys that are writable are usually so for a reason |
| 09:23.33 | Shifty | it doesnt work |
| 09:24.03 | Shifty | invalid mode |
| 09:24.52 | Shifty | chmod user 777 /dir/ <--- that should work right? |
| 09:24.57 | Penix | Shifty: are you trying to apply it to the dir and the files inside? |
| 09:25.03 | wols_ | microtux: can you write the username? |
| 09:25.11 | microtux | wols_, no |
| 09:25.18 | dondelelcaro | Shifty: chown user dir, not chown user MODE dir. |
| 09:25.25 | dondelelcaro | Shifty: man chown; man chmod; man chgrp; |
| 09:26.41 | Shifty | Path is not writable - make sure you chmod +w this path |
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| 09:26.48 | Shifty | so how? |
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| 09:27.38 | dondelelcaro | Shifty: what path? what is giving you that error message? what have you tried already? what is the output of stat /foo/path for that path? |
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| 09:28.16 | BigH26 | I'm using debian testing, and I need a package from unstable. What's the 'good' way to go about doing this? |
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| 09:29.16 | fasta | Is there a document that tells me how to get rid of broken packages? |
| 09:29.58 | fasta | I.e. an xemacs script goes into an infinite loop. |
| 09:30.14 | fasta | WTG QA... |
| 09:30.20 | mmc | how can I find a package wit Elisp files which uses CDBS (i.e. the source package has cdbs as dependency)? |
| 09:30.26 | jelly-home | fasta: which release? |
| 09:30.35 | fasta | jelly-home: not Stable... |
| 09:30.49 | jelly-home | fasta: well, you're the qa then. |
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| 09:31.34 | fasta | jelly-home: I don't even want xemacs nor vanilla Emacs. |
| 09:31.48 | Penix | BigH26: you could rebuild it against your testing system |
| 09:31.52 | Penix | fasta: then remove it |
| 09:31.52 | fasta | If I just could tell Debian that I already have Emacs installed... |
| 09:32.01 | jelly-home | fasta: if the installation script is !#/bin/sh, you can add set -x to it and see what happens |
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| 09:32.17 | fasta | Penix: some other packages depend on it (while in fact my Emacs23 also works nicely with them). |
| 09:32.31 | jelly-home | fasta: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 09:32.38 | ruben_ | Hello, what do I need to have two instances of qmail with the same host? |
| 09:32.55 | Penix | ruben_: ask #qmail |
| 09:33.21 | Shifty | ok got it (only wrong user (doh)) |
| 09:33.25 | ruben_ | Penix: what is a 'specific' debian question? |
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| 09:33.46 | jelly-home | ruben_: qmail isn't really supported in debian |
| 09:33.53 | troubled | wols_: /nick wols!! |
| 09:33.58 | dalias | qmail is non-free isnt it? |
| 09:34.04 | Penix | iirc, yes |
| 09:34.07 | fasta | jelly-home: regardless of QA, there should be a canonical command to remove something completely(even when the uninstall scripts don't work). |
| 09:34.13 | wols_ | yes. very onerous license |
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| 09:34.17 | dalias | it also intentionally violates the rfcs in ways that will lead to lost mail |
| 09:34.19 | troubled | dalias: /msg dpkg qmail |
| 09:34.34 | ruben_ | jelly-home: ok thank, better response :) |
| 09:34.44 | dalias | and it has a vuln which djb refused to acknowledge or fix |
| 09:34.52 | fasta | And it should be documented here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 09:35.14 | dalias | wols_, rather lack of ANY license, iirc |
| 09:35.17 | jelly-home | fasta: that command might leave the system in an unconsistent state. |
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| 09:35.29 | Ronin | i believe he did give an answer though dalias but its way to early to squabble about qmail :) |
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| 09:35.41 | jelly-home | fasta: and users of stable are not supposed to get in that situation |
| 09:35.47 | fasta | jelly-home: It might leave some unused files behind. |
| 09:35.51 | Penix | fasta: are you referring to debian post install scripts when you say 'uninstall script'? |
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| 09:36.01 | fasta | Penix: yes |
| 09:36.19 | jelly-home | fasta: it might make a system unbootable, if it's say a kernel image package. |
| 09:36.31 | geo-rge | !info widtools |
| 09:36.41 | fasta | jelly-home: yes, well then a flag: --IknowWhatIAMDOING |
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| 09:36.54 | fasta | jelly-home: clearly XEmacs is not important |
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| 09:37.07 | jelly-home | fasta: you don't, if you knew you'd be able to debug the issue. :-) |
| 09:37.08 | jmspeex | Anyone from the Debian VoIP Team here? |
| 09:37.22 | fasta | jelly-home: I am able, but I _don't_ care |
| 09:37.37 | jelly-home | fasta: so put an exit 0 into the script. |
| 09:37.43 | fasta | jelly-home: I am not able to fix it in 5 minutes, which is all the time I am willing to invest. |
| 09:37.53 | Penix | heh |
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| 09:38.32 | jelly-home | fasta: that's a pebcak then... you don't want to have problems like these, the only safe thing is not to use testing/unstable |
| 09:38.46 | mmc | can I install /download only the .dsc file? |
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| 09:39.12 | simonrvn | mmc: uh, you can't install the dsc |
| 09:39.14 | fasta | jelly-home: but I do want to install some new software and that depends on newer libc versions than stabel. |
| 09:39.18 | fasta | Stable* |
| 09:39.23 | jelly-home | fasta: backports |
| 09:39.43 | fasta | jelly-home: I doubt they get made for libghc6-* but they might, yes. |
| 09:39.52 | Penix | mmc: you can always get it from p.d.o |
| 09:40.02 | mmc | simonrvn: I want to see the Build-Depends .... I am searching for an example of packages which uses CDBS |
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| 09:40.19 | simonrvn | mmc: so you download it |
| 09:40.34 | simonrvn | or you look at apt-cache showsrc foo |
| 09:40.54 | jelly-home | fasta: you have conflicting wishes. Either you use stable + reasonably safe backports.org, or you use testing and deal. |
| 09:41.13 | fasta | jelly-home: they are not conflicting in a logical sense. |
| 09:41.25 | fasta | jelly-home: merely limited by current infrastructure. |
| 09:41.54 | troubled | /etc/init.d/simonrvn stop && apt-get remove --purge simonrvn |
| 09:41.56 | jelly-home | fasta: or you can pay a 3rd party to make you a backport |
| 09:41.56 | mmc | simonrvn: thanks "showsrc" is what I needed |
| 09:41.59 | simonrvn | merely limited by your conflicting wishes. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:42.17 | Penix | your current 'infrastructure' isn't a horrible stable+sid hybrid by any chance, is it? |
| 09:42.26 | simonrvn | cat troubled > /dev/null |
| 09:42.32 | troubled | :) |
| 09:42.48 | simonrvn | cat /dev/null > troubled |
| 09:43.01 | Penix | even better, urandom |
| 09:43.09 | jelly-home | cp /dev/zero simonrvn... make 'im asplode! |
| 09:43.15 | simonrvn | full of NULs ;) |
| 09:43.18 | troubled | Penix: :p |
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| 09:43.33 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehehe |
| 09:43.41 | troubled | simonrvn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI&feature=PlayList&p=D8B8EAC323DC2524&index=0 |
| 09:43.54 | troubled | simonrvn: i know you are into that sorta thing :) |
| 09:43.57 | Penix | if that's not 'Dudes humping furniture', don't bother! |
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| 09:44.01 | simonrvn | oh gah. tell me what it is before i go d/l it or something |
| 09:44.11 | troubled | simonrvn: money system |
| 09:44.31 | simonrvn | *blink* what? |
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| 09:45.04 | troubled | simonrvn: short documentary on currency/monetary system |
| 09:45.15 | troubled | similar what you gave me other day |
| 09:45.16 | simonrvn | oh, 'k |
| 09:45.40 | jelly-home | dudes humping _bank_ furniture? |
| 09:45.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:46.05 | simonrvn | what furniture ? ;p |
| 09:46.08 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: your personal kinks are being exposed |
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| 09:46.11 | simonrvn | the atms? |
| 09:46.13 | Penix | if banks have ottomans and wall mirrors |
| 09:46.24 | jelly-home | damn you, Freud! |
| 09:46.26 | simonrvn | my local one does o_O |
| 09:46.40 | Penix | simonrvn: all you need is about four other dudes and a camera then! |
| 09:46.47 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:47.17 | simonrvn | doesn't have mirrors, just generic art |
| 09:48.20 | Penix | do they play generic R&B? |
| 09:49.40 | MattUK | Is there a huge different between 4.0 and 4.0r1? Just I hvae 4.0 on CD and the 4.0r1 ISO but don't have any blank CDs |
| 09:49.45 | simonrvn | i don't know, i don't stay long enough to listen ;) |
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| 09:50.04 | Penix | I hope that's coz you're an efficient customer ;) |
| 09:50.21 | Penix | speaking of music, I really need to write a 'Whore this song' plugin for something like rhythmbox |
| 09:50.51 | themill | MattUK: the difference is a few security updates that you will get with an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 09:51.39 | MattUK | Ok, cheers - no need to wait for blank cds then :) |
| 09:51.40 | troubled | i_dont_know_why_i_even_bother->{Penix}; :) |
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| 09:52.34 | MattUK | Right well I'm off to make the switch to debian then |
| 09:52.39 | simonrvn | Penix: yup. i use the atm |
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| 09:55.00 | RvGaTe | what is this for an idea... everyone has seen the boot from network options when starting up his computer... is it actually possible to have a few copies/images availble on the pxe server... so that you can boot from any given cd (knoppix, winxp, debian netinstall) using the network boot option... so that i dont need to carry all the discs... is there an guide somewhere on how to set this up? |
| 09:55.47 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: yeah, there are. |
| 09:55.51 | troubled | RvGaTe: fai doc's might give you a good walkthrough on that sorta thing |
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| 09:56.07 | dondelelcaro | there are a couple on pxe boot d-i preseeding |
| 09:57.02 | RvGaTe | troubled: fai docs? where can i find these? |
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| 09:57.54 | troubled | RvGaTe: try #fai on oftc |
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| 10:15.27 | Ahri | why is it that executing `ssh -L localhost:8000:192.168.0.1:80 user@myserver.com' just logs me in, instead of doing port forwarding? |
| 10:15.42 | Ahri | the remote server is running debian etch |
| 10:16.06 | jmd | It should do both. |
| 10:16.15 | themill | Ahri: is the local port already bound by something else? |
| 10:17.11 | Ahri | hrm could be, i'll try nmaping myself |
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| 10:18.15 | themill | Ahri: is the client running debian too? netstat -antp|grep :8000 |
| 10:19.13 | shamrock | Can anyone tell me why mysql-admin is not available in Lenny? |
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| 10:20.05 | Ahri | themill: ah thanks a lot :) |
| 10:20.21 | geo-rge | !why is mysql-admin not in lenny |
| 10:20.21 | dpkg | geo-rge: what are you talking about? |
| 10:20.27 | geo-rge | !why is mysql-admin not in testing |
| 10:20.27 | dpkg | mysql-admin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mysql-admin |
| 10:20.58 | geo-rge | klik awaaaaa |
| 10:21.19 | themill | shamrock: do you mean the command line tool mysqladmin? |
| 10:22.06 | lukas___ | Hi, what typ of optimization should one fill in kernel compilation (PRocessor family for Core Duo (not core 2)) |
| 10:22.14 | lukas___ | Could anyone say? |
| 10:22.30 | gkiagia | lukas___: pentium 4 |
| 10:22.57 | lukas___ | gkiagia: are you sure? |
| 10:24.00 | gkiagia | yes. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.devel/83870 |
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| 10:24.23 | mooper | hullo, Im having problems getting cups working |
| 10:24.24 | mooper | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.26 | mooper | :-( |
| 10:24.31 | shamrock | themill - no, the gui admin interface that installs in the menus. Do I have the name wrong? |
| 10:24.31 | lukas___ | gkiagia: thanks |
| 10:25.20 | shamrock | themill: http://packages.debian.org/mysql-admin |
| 10:25.26 | themill | shamrock: no, you're right. Just checking. The link that dpkg gave earlier tells why. |
| 10:25.54 | shamrock | aha thanks. I didnt see dpkg's line. |
| 10:27.22 | shamrock | so basicaly, it's just not ready. |
| 10:28.52 | themill | shamrock: yep... and it has to wait for other things to be ready to, quite possibly. Bringing that package into lenny has to wait until it doesn't stuff up other packages already in lenny. |
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| 10:29.58 | shamrock | no chance to get a statically linked "backport" or something? |
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| 10:31.17 | jmd | How do I change the default font in X ? |
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| 10:35.16 | themill | shamrock: you could hope/assume that all of mysql-admin and it's deps will get into lenny sooner or later and are relatively bug free and try to pull just those packages in from sid, but if you didn't think of that yourself, you probably don't want to do that.... |
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| 10:35.37 | themill | shamrock: you could also make your own backport to lenny if you want. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:36.59 | CAiRO | jmd: there is no default font for x.. gnome might have a default font or kde.. i bet you can configure it somewhere in the settings |
| 10:38.05 | CAiRO | jmd: for gtk applications, you can set the default font in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 10:38.24 | jmd | I'm not using kde or gnome. I just want to change the font size that applications use by default. |
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| 10:39.13 | CAiRO | that depends on the widget toolkit they use |
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| 10:40.39 | jmd | But how do I change the default for the server? |
| 10:40.48 | lukas___ | Could anyone advise how to find out which linux driver is needed for some Broadcom card on Acer Aspire 4220? |
| 10:40.50 | CAiRO | that's what i'm telling you, the server has no font :) |
| 10:40.58 | jmd | BS. |
| 10:41.08 | CAiRO | you need to change the default font for the toolkit |
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| 10:42.19 | CAiRO | for xlib applications you can probably set it somehow in /etc/X11/Xresources/.. but that won't have any effect on gtk oder qt applications, and i assume you'll mostly use gtk or qt applications |
| 10:42.29 | CAiRO | gtk is ~/.gtkrc[-2.0] |
| 10:42.50 | gkiagia | lukas___: what does "lspci | grep Broadcom" say? |
| 10:43.32 | valvola | maybe grep -i is more indicated :P |
| 10:43.59 | gkiagia | valvola: what does -i do? |
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| 10:44.15 | gkiagia | ah |
| 10:44.22 | gkiagia | ok I saw the man page |
| 10:44.41 | lukas___ | gkiagia: huh, nothing, I found it on lsusb 0a5c:2101 Broadcom Corp |
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| 10:45.32 | testergg | Hi all, We just took a live system hard disk from a athlon 2600 asus socket A motherboard running etch and put it into a new amd64 motherboard nvidia with a realtek 8169 netcard, this card works fine in the live system, but in the amd64 system the hd boots linux fine, and ifconfig shows the network card is fine, but I am only able to ping the static ip listed in /etc/network/interfaces I am unable to have networking get off the box, any |
| 10:45.33 | testergg | suggestions? we are running kernel 2.6.8-2-386 etch |
| 10:45.53 | jelly-home | testergg: upgrade your kernel? |
| 10:46.04 | gkiagia | lukas___: I have this device too. it's a bluetooth device and for me, it just works out of the box :) you just need to install the related bluetooth packages to use it |
| 10:46.16 | jelly-home | testergg: that one sounds like a leftover from sarge install cd |
| 10:46.30 | jmd | CAiRO, What you're telling me is clearly not true. For instance what would the point of xfs be. What do you think the FontPath lines in x.conf are for? Why do you think there are at least 5 xfonts-* packages? Have you ever noticed how if you start X using plain "X" instead of "startx" you get really tiny fonts? ..... |
| 10:46.53 | testergg | jelly-home: while in the live system what kernel should I upgrade to? |
| 10:46.58 | azeem | jmd: those are all for legacy X11 apps |
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| 10:47.12 | lukas___ | gkiagia: oh, sorry then, I know there is some wifi, but I am not able ti figure out which |
| 10:47.22 | lukas___ | gkiagia: Have you any idea? |
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| 10:47.37 | jelly-home | testergg: the current in etch, something like linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 10:48.03 | CAiRO | jmd: well, maybe x technically has a default font, but what does it help if no application uses xlibs anymore? the xserver itself doesn't display any text.. unless your just using xterm the "default x font" doesn't help you set the default font for your applications |
| 10:48.07 | jmd | "legacy" is a bit of a loaded term. Anyway it seems to affect many applications even very recent ones (like gnumeric for instance). |
| 10:48.27 | testergg | jelly-home: can you explain the networking issue, or is it just a incompatibilty with the sarge to etch and our hardware? |
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| 10:48.30 | gkiagia | lukas___: what does this show? "lspci | grep -i net" |
| 10:48.37 | azeem | jmd: what is "it"? |
| 10:49.24 | jelly-home | testergg: could be any number of reasons, but a 3+ year old kernel would be my prime suspect |
| 10:49.40 | testergg | jelly-home, thanks I will give it a try |
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| 10:50.05 | testergg | jelly-home: what is the best way doesn't apt-get do it automatically? |
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| 10:51.01 | lukas___ | gkiagia: I thing this one is wifi 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 10:51.13 | lukas___ | gkiagia: madwifi driver? |
| 10:51.24 | gkiagia | no. the ipw3945 driver |
| 10:51.28 | gkiagia | !ipw3945 |
| 10:51.28 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 10:51.29 | jelly-home | testergg: install linux-image-2.6-k7, that's probably most appropriate for your cpu |
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| 10:51.40 | timbobsteve | hey all |
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| 10:52.00 | testergg | jelly-home: thanks for your help, it's much appreciated |
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| 10:53.13 | EbilPhish | Is it possible to use a package from SID in Lenny? I need kernel 2.6.22 instead of 2.6.21 for nvidia drivers |
| 10:53.13 | timbobsteve | hi all... silly question, but I am trying to make a backup of my apt cache using apt-cacher. I want to re-download all the packages on my system, but apt-get -d install $package doesn't download them... it says they are already installed. Why is this? |
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| 10:54.06 | user1__ | how do i add a rule to allow ftp from any to any |
| 10:54.50 | jelly-home | EbilPhish: in general, kernels are rather safe to replace. make sure you don't pull in any other dependency from sid |
| 10:55.32 | EbilPhish | jelly-home: How do I go about doing it though? Or should I just grab the .deb and do it manually |
| 10:55.42 | jelly-home | EbilPhish: (rather safe with respect to the rest of the system... there's always a possibility of making your machine unbootable ;-) |
| 10:56.46 | EbilPhish | timbobsteve: Maybe try the --reinstall option? |
| 10:57.05 | jelly-home | EbilPhish: if you go the manual way, you need matching linux-image-* and linux-headers-*, possibly linux-kbuild-* too |
| 10:57.24 | timbobsteve | EbilPhish: thanks... just as you said that I read it on a ubuntu forum. :D |
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| 10:57.52 | EbilPhish | jelly-home: Any idea if theres a nonmanual way? |
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| 10:58.36 | jelly-home | EbilPhish: add sid in sources.list and either set up pinning or install what you need and remove it |
| 10:58.40 | MattUK | Well, im on Debian now :D |
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| 10:59.03 | jelly-home | EbilPhish: it = sid from sources.list |
| 10:59.17 | EbilPhish | jelly-home: okies, thanks |
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| 10:59.42 | jelly-home | EbilPhish: I'd do a --dry-run first to see what other crap will get installed |
| 11:00.20 | EbilPhish | kk |
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| 11:05.10 | valvola | i got to go, bye ... |
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| 11:08.14 | [RUsh] | Is there a way in debian to save/restore iptables state on shutdown/reboot? Maybe some init script? Or I should write it myself? |
| 11:08.19 | lukas___ | gkiagia: That is why it did not worked for me. The module loads fine, but I am not able to see the interface. |
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| 11:10.31 | dondelelcaro | [RUsh]: there are a bunch of different ways, actually. |
| 11:10.49 | dondelelcaro | [RUsh]: iptables comes with a sample init.d script in /usr/share/doc, and you can also use packages like ipmasq or similar |
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| 11:11.09 | [RUsh] | dondelelcaro, ok, I'll see |
| 11:12.25 | [RUsh] | dondelelcaro, I don't see any init script in /usr/share/doc/iptables ;-/ |
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| 11:13.56 | dondelelcaro | [RUsh]: well, it used to have one (though it was deprecated) |
| 11:14.14 | dondelelcaro | (you can also rather trivially use iptables-save > foofile; iptables-restore < foofile; or similar in rc.local) |
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| 11:14.42 | [RUsh] | yes, I know |
| 11:14.54 | [RUsh] | anyway, thanx - I'll look at ipmasq |
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| 11:16.40 | themill | !wb |
| 11:16.46 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:20.24 | coucou747 | hi all |
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| 11:24.28 | indraveni | hi all |
| 11:24.42 | indraveni | in my system, i executed the command,, syslinux /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:24.56 | indraveni | and it threw an output as, |
| 11:24.57 | indraveni | Syntax error at line 1 column 6 in file /root/.mtoolsrc: drive letter expected |
| 11:25.18 | indraveni | and my file, /root/.mtoolsrc, is having only one line as, |
| 11:25.30 | indraveni | drive sdb1: file="/dev/sdb1" |
| 11:25.41 | indraveni | what does that error message mean ? |
| 11:25.54 | indraveni | even renistallation of syslinux dint work for me |
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| 11:30.46 | EbilPhish | How much effort/day2day hassle is involved in going SELinux ? |
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| 11:34.41 | muh2000 | what was it to change the apt-get question level when installing packages ? |
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| 11:35.22 | azeem | muh2000: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, I think |
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| 11:36.41 | muh2000 | azeem yes that is it :) |
| 11:36.58 | dondelelcaro | if you just want to temporarily, you can also just set DEBIAN_PRIORITY |
| 11:39.28 | loesh | hello, how do i change wich java version i use the debian way? |
| 11:39.35 | loesh | completly forgot :( |
| 11:39.43 | enouf | muh2000: installing configure-debian might help in the future for those type of questions |
| 11:40.15 | abrotman | loesh: java5 is in etch |
| 11:40.44 | hark | loesh: update-java-alternatives |
| 11:40.45 | muh2000 | enouf: maybe :) when i dont forget the name of the package... :) |
| 11:40.57 | loesh | abrotman, yea i know but i need to switch between versions.. |
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| 11:41.08 | loesh | hark, thanks! |
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| 11:42.53 | Airbottle | i got a problem: i connected a bsd disk to sdb1 and now he wants to check it always, but its removed so i get en error every time i restart: fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:42.53 | Airbottle | /dev/sdb1: |
| 11:43.29 | Airbottle | how can i tell him there is no /dev/sdb1 anymore? |
| 11:43.46 | s | can anyone tell how can i use apt-get if the connecting http server requires authentication |
| 11:44.20 | abrotman | s: there are proxy options .. man apt.conf IIRC |
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| 11:44.32 | abrotman | Airbottle: why don't you have fsck.ext3 ? |
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| 11:45.10 | s | but its not working by proxy settings |
| 11:45.32 | Robbie- | does anyone know what the problem could be: http://pastebin.com/m37c27987 |
| 11:45.36 | wols_ | Airbottle: is /dev/sdb1 in your fstab? |
| 11:45.55 | abrotman | Robbie-: etch ? |
| 11:46.00 | abrotman | !info zd1211-firmware etch |
| 11:46.06 | s | the server itself requires authentication |
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| 11:46.16 | Robbie- | ok abro i'll try it |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | i was asking |
| 11:46.42 | dpkg | zd1211-firmware: (Firmware images for the zd1211 and zd1211rw wireless drivers), section non-free/base, is extra. Version: 2.16.0.0-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 11:46.53 | abrotman | Robbie-: it's in non-free .. do you have non-free sources? |
| 11:47.12 | Robbie- | abro http://pastebin.com/m3b17ee84 |
| 11:47.23 | Robbie- | seems i dont have them? |
| 11:47.48 | s | can anyone tell how can i use apt-get if the connecting http server requires authentication |
| 11:47.54 | Airbottle | yes wols_ |
| 11:48.04 | Airbottle | can i delete it without problems there |
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| 11:48.35 | wols_ | sure, if the disk is not present anymore. you can also set its options to noauto of course |
| 11:48.37 | abrotman | Robbie-: right .. so add them |
| 11:48.43 | abrotman | !tell Robbie- about non-free |
| 11:48.47 | s | please help me Airbottle |
| 11:48.55 | s | please help me dpkg |
| 11:48.57 | Airbottle | ok, thanks wols_ |
| 11:49.02 | abrotman | s: what have you tried? which application are oyu using? |
| 11:49.04 | abrotman | and dpkg is a bot |
| 11:49.33 | s | i have used the apt.conf configuration |
| 11:49.48 | wols_ | what kind of auth mechanism does the prox< use? |
| 11:49.54 | xand | !help s |
| 11:49.56 | xand | bah |
| 11:50.05 | s | acquire http::proxy ..... |
| 11:50.44 | s | it is not the proxy that requires authentication |
| 11:51.11 | s | its the http server repository that requires authentication |
| 11:51.50 | abrotman | s: what mirror are you using ? |
| 11:52.04 | dondelelcaro | s: have you tried foo:bar@baz.com or whatever? |
| 11:52.14 | dondelelcaro | (and there's no official mirrors I know of that require that) |
| 11:52.37 | Robbie- | abrotman, can u let me know the command i need to add the non-free sources? (im new to linux) |
| 11:52.37 | Airbottle | give the whole message you got s |
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| 11:52.48 | s | ok |
| 11:52.52 | Airbottle | or do apt-get update |
| 11:53.26 | Airbottle | and post output somewhere (i know there must be a place to paste it, but i'm not a regular visitor here) |
| 11:53.31 | abrotman | Robbie-: in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. add non-free to the end of your sources line |
| 11:53.38 | s | when i have used apt-get update the error message 401 authentication required has come |
| 11:53.51 | xand | s: I would say that if someone's providing such a mirror, they should tell you how to use it |
| 11:54.06 | Airbottle | use another mirror then s |
| 11:54.26 | Airbottle | mirrors are in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:54.34 | s | but i want packages from that mirror only |
| 11:54.41 | Airbottle | lol |
| 11:54.43 | Airbottle | why? |
| 11:54.59 | s | it has something i require |
| 11:55.02 | Airbottle | ah ok |
| 11:55.18 | Airbottle | maybe the link is outdated? |
| 11:55.31 | Robbie- | abrotman , my /etc/apt/sources.list is not editable it seems |
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| 11:55.46 | Airbottle | you need to edit it as root Robbie- |
| 11:55.49 | Ronin | Robbie-: as root |
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| 11:56.19 | s | not the problem of link |
| 11:56.23 | Robbie- | i am root |
| 11:56.33 | abrotman | he's apparently IRCing as root |
| 11:56.34 | Airbottle | maybe synaptic is open |
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| 11:56.41 | abrotman | s: what mirror are oyu using ? |
| 11:56.59 | Ronin | abrotman: so i see, Robbie- tell me you're not really ircing as root? |
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| 11:57.07 | abrotman | Ronin: /whois ? |
| 11:57.11 | Ronin | abrotman: yep |
| 11:57.16 | SmallR2002 | :( |
| 11:57.27 | SmallR2002 | not a good idea at all |
| 11:57.30 | Robbie- | i am root |
| 11:57.47 | Airbottle | hmz |
| 11:57.51 | Ronin | Robbie-: disconnect and come back on as a user would a really good idea |
| 11:57.53 | Airbottle | start a shell and type su |
| 11:57.56 | Airbottle | then password |
| 11:57.57 | s | i am using my own mirrors and i want that it asks for authentication when i want to use apt-get |
| 11:58.01 | wfq_ | Hi guys |
| 11:58.02 | Airbottle | then it will work |
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| 11:58.15 | abrotman | s: did you try what dondelelcaro suggested ? |
| 11:58.19 | wfq_ | do you think a Load System as 33 is absolutely out of control? |
| 11:58.22 | bonii | I have been asked to develop some Image Processing programs using Matlab by my mentor. Can anyone tell me if I have any software which I can install on my Debian system to achieve it. |
| 11:58.22 | Robbie- | i did that, and im 100% im root |
| 11:58.27 | abrotman | wfq_: no |
| 11:58.41 | abrotman | wfq_: i've "tried" to use vi on a system with a load over 100 |
| 11:58.52 | SmallR2002 | Robbie-, seriously, use a user account for normal activity like irc and anything which could theoretically compromise your system with root priv's |
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| 11:59.01 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 11:59.03 | Ronin | Robbie-: then you're editing it wrong, i suspect that your not in the directory and so nneed to use the full path but in any case why are you ircing as root? |
| 11:59.38 | tamiya | I'm tring to install IBM's Lotus Symphony only it wants glibc 2.4. How do I install glibc? Which apt-get package is that from? |
| 11:59.45 | Robbie- | im using a wvmare image. im just trying to do some thing.. |
| 12:00.08 | s | what does dondelelcaro suggest |
| 12:00.18 | Airbottle | hmz |
| 12:00.33 | s | what does that means |
| 12:00.38 | wfq_ | abrotman, but the ideal system load is 1 and 3, of course that is not possible hardly ever but 33 seems to be too much |
| 12:00.40 | Airbottle | you searched for it in synaptic tamiya |
| 12:00.56 | abrotman | wfq_: so find out what's going on |
| 12:01.10 | SmallR2002 | has anyone ported slocate to life yet? |
| 12:01.34 | s | ok mamamiya |
| 12:02.21 | tamiya | yeah, but no packages mention glibc_2.4 |
| 12:02.25 | bonii | I have been asked to develop some Image Processing programs using Matlab by my mentor. Can anyone tell me if I have any software which I can install on my Debian system to achieve it. |
| 12:02.30 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 12:02.32 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 12:02.39 | bonii | What is the Free alternative of Matlab |
| 12:03.11 | s | it means u dont want to help Airbottle |
| 12:03.16 | Robbie- | guys, should i edit /etc/apt/sources.list from the terminal? or browsing to the folder? |
| 12:03.29 | s | and leave me where i am |
| 12:03.37 | Airbottle | i cant help you without any further information s |
| 12:03.39 | s | searching odd things out |
| 12:03.41 | tamiya | robbie: terminal is fine if you know how to use vi |
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| 12:04.23 | Robbie- | i dont know how to use vi, i'll be more interested in editing from the folder, but it doesnt work even if im root |
| 12:04.37 | Airbottle | make sure you define your problem well s! i must admit that i dont really understand your proble |
| 12:04.50 | Airbottle | but i probably missed something |
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| 12:05.08 | s | Airbottle: i have setup a http repository that requires authentication and i want to use that for my apt-get |
| 12:05.55 | abrotman | bonii: octave .. maybe |
| 12:06.04 | s | but the issue is that apt-get is unable to prompt me for a username |
| 12:06.12 | AVRS2 | hmm... I don't remember rebooting, and the soundcard works again... |
| 12:06.28 | s | it means apt requires some configuration |
| 12:06.32 | tamiya | anyone know how to install glibc? |
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| 12:06.56 | bonii | abrotman: But Octave comes with a lot of less features specially for Image processing which I require the most |
| 12:07.00 | tamiya | I don;t know why IBM doesn't just include the thing |
| 12:07.13 | s | Airbottle: but what that configuration is i don't know |
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| 12:07.42 | Airbottle | i actually cant help you, because i never tried such a thing for myself s, sorry |
| 12:07.53 | s | ok |
| 12:08.01 | s | no hard feelings |
| 12:08.05 | Wyzard | tamiya: You already have glibc, just not a recent enough version -- etch has 2.3.6 and you need 2.4 |
| 12:08.07 | Airbottle | but maybe someone in here knows |
| 12:08.15 | Wyzard | tamiya: You could upgrade to testing/unstable, which have glibc 2.6 |
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| 12:08.33 | dondelelcaro | s: it won't prompt you for a username; you have to be using basic authentication |
| 12:08.38 | Wyzard | tamiya: or if you'd rather not use something that isn't a formal release, try another distro |
| 12:08.46 | dondelelcaro | s: which means deb http://user:pass@fooserver blah blah blah |
| 12:09.13 | tamiya | wyzard: how do i upgrade to testing/unstable? Do i just add the appropriate sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and do an 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 12:09.35 | Wyzard | tamiya: You'd use dist-upgrade rather than upgrade, and in fact, aptitude is preferable over apt-get |
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| 12:09.38 | Wyzard | tamiya: but basically, yes |
| 12:09.40 | s | ok |
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| 12:09.57 | root_ | I'm trying to install libmotif3 from unstable on top of my testing machine |
| 12:10.06 | s | i am trying it dondelelcaro |
| 12:10.16 | BigH26 | I'm trying to install libmotif3 from unstable on top of my testing machine |
| 12:10.33 | Ronin | !tell BigH26 about root |
| 12:10.44 | BigH26 | I'm using the command apt-get install libmotif3 -t unstable |
| 12:10.54 | dawk | is there a linux alternative to windows directx? |
| 12:10.57 | tamiya | wyzard: thanks |
| 12:11.10 | BigH26 | Ronin thx, an accident |
| 12:11.16 | lunk | dawk: windows is the alternative |
| 12:11.27 | dawk | lunk: no no, directx. |
| 12:11.30 | Robbie- | im trying to update, is the server down or what: Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:80 (141.76.2.4), connection timed out |
| 12:11.32 | BigH26 | It says it can't find the package in unstable |
| 12:11.40 | lunk | dawk: yea, just run it in windows, much less grief |
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| 12:12.02 | BigH26 | Internet queries say the package is in unstable, anyone knows what's going on? |
| 12:12.08 | Wyzard | dawk: wine/cedega has a DirectX implementation, but it's not as complete/correct as Microsoft's... DirectX is basically Windows-specific |
| 12:12.11 | dawk | lunk: you serious? i mean directx is a major enhancement. |
| 12:12.23 | Wyzard | BigH26: Do you have unstable sources in your sources.list? |
| 12:12.35 | lunk | dawk: Team Fortress 2 is making me do weird things, like install windows |
| 12:12.38 | lunk | :( |
| 12:12.55 | Ronin | BigH26: do you run unstable? mixing and matching releases is a quick way to mess up your install |
| 12:12.58 | BigH26 | Wyzard No |
| 12:13.08 | BigH26 | Ronin I need just that one package |
| 12:13.12 | Wyzard | dawk: DirectX is a Microsoft-proprietary set of APIs used by many games... "major enhancement" over what? |
| 12:13.18 | BigH26 | Ronin and its not in testing but only in unstable |
| 12:13.25 | Wyzard | BigH26: apt only knows about packages that you have sources for |
| 12:13.27 | dawk | Wyzard: video. |
| 12:13.42 | dawk | Wyzard: to be specific, graphics. |
| 12:14.11 | dawk | or to be more specific, 3d. |
| 12:14.21 | Wyzard | dawk: So you're talking about Direct3D in particular |
| 12:14.28 | dawk | yah, maybe. |
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| 12:15.03 | Robbie- | im trying to update, is the server down or what: Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:80 (141.76.2.4), connection timed out |
| 12:15.09 | Wyzard | dawk: 3D graphics can also be done with OpenGL, which is just as powerful as Direct3D and well-supported on a variety of platforms, including Linux |
| 12:15.41 | streuner | Robbie-: just use 'traceroute" |
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| 12:15.49 | Wyzard | dawk: Direct3D is Microsoft's proprietary alternative to OpenGL, which they encourage game developers to use because it locks the games into the Windows platform |
| 12:16.04 | dufficus | Wyzard: hear, hear :P |
| 12:16.08 | Robbie- | streuner, could you let me know the syntax ? |
| 12:16.12 | microtux | hi |
| 12:16.17 | dawk | Wyzard: do you know a WM that takes advantage of graphics or 3d? |
| 12:16.17 | dalias | the games are already proprietary and locked-in for many other reasons anyway |
| 12:16.27 | dalias | so i see no reason it makes a big deal if they use d3d |
| 12:16.36 | streuner | Robbie-: easier ;-) http://www.koepfer.de/php/traceroute.php |
| 12:16.40 | bobf | dawk, try beryl or compiz. |
| 12:16.48 | bobf | Or compiz fusion as I think they're calling it now. |
| 12:16.53 | dawk | bobf: feels like a bloated KDE. |
| 12:16.57 | Wyzard | bobf: Those are both superseded... yeah, Compiz Fusion |
| 12:16.57 | Ahri | beryl's been merged in |
| 12:17.01 | microtux | i have a device attached to my debian box via serial link, how can know wich ttyS it uses? |
| 12:17.33 | bobf | dawk: you want a WM that uses 3d hardware but isn't bloated? |
| 12:17.34 | Wyzard | dawk: Compiz Fusion is the new WM that uses hardware acceleration for nice effects, analogous to Apple's Quartz Extreme and Vista's Aero Glass |
| 12:17.35 | dawk | bobf: and gnome depends on too many apps. |
| 12:17.44 | dawk | bobf: yes... please. |
| 12:17.56 | Wyzard | dawk: Compiz Fusion isn't GNOME |
| 12:17.57 | streuner | Robbie-: PING ftp.de.debian.org (141.76.2.4) 56(84) bytes of data. ; 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 12:17.58 | bobf | Well you can use beryl without kde. |
| 12:18.02 | bobf | Or gnome. |
| 12:18.14 | streuner | Robbie-: should be soon fixed |
| 12:18.24 | microtux | abrotman, i have a device attached to my debian box via serial link, how can know wich ttyS it uses? |
| 12:18.52 | streuner | Robbie-: just use ftp.fr.debian.org so far, switch back tomorrow |
| 12:19.01 | Ronin | Robbie-: try a different mirror? |
| 12:19.59 | streuner | Robbie-: another thing, why do you use a german mirror? |
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| 12:20.31 | Robbie- | because i dont know how :) |
| 12:20.48 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# ping -c1 ftp.es.debian.org |
| 12:20.49 | streuner | PING ftp.es.debian.org (82.194.78.250) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 12:20.58 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 12:21.24 | Robbie- | they seem to be down |
| 12:21.36 | streuner | spanish mirror as well? |
| 12:21.39 | streuner | nah |
| 12:21.40 | abrotman | microtux: minicom perhaps |
| 12:21.55 | Ronin | Robbie-: then use a different one |
| 12:22.29 | Robbie- | can you let me know the syntax |
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| 12:23.05 | Ronin | Robbie-: look at your sources.list and change the country code |
| 12:23.11 | Shifty | is kde 4 available for debian? |
| 12:23.12 | streuner | deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 12:23.17 | streuner | sure |
| 12:23.19 | Robbie- | i cant edit my sources |
| 12:23.25 | wols_ | or use ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 12:23.29 | Shifty | how do i install it? |
| 12:23.30 | streuner | why, you are "root" :-) |
| 12:23.33 | wols_ | Robbie-: then you can't run apt-get either |
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| 12:23.41 | Ronin | streuner: been there done that question multiple times |
| 12:23.43 | streuner | he is root |
| 12:23.50 | abrotman | Shifty: has it even been released yet? |
| 12:24.00 | wols_ | abrotman: only alphas. not even a beta iirc |
| 12:24.02 | abrotman | right |
| 12:24.04 | streuner | [Robbie-] (n=root@62.57.165.123.dyn.user.ono.com): root |
| 12:24.19 | Shifty | dont know... but suse 10.3 will have it (release date 4th oct) |
| 12:24.25 | wols_ | why can he talk here? |
| 12:24.33 | Shifty | bbut i think kde 4 is beta |
| 12:24.36 | Ronin | wols_: i was wondering that myself |
| 12:24.39 | streuner | somebody seems to remove the ban |
| 12:24.50 | streuner | removed* |
| 12:24.58 | wols_ | maybe i=root vs n=root? |
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| 12:25.07 | wols_ | or simply we have that i=/n= thng now? |
| 12:25.33 | Ahri | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde_4 says it entered beta 1 on august the 2nd and is now into beta 2 as of september the 6th |
| 12:25.46 | abrotman | Shifty: ask #debian-kde |
| 12:25.52 | Shifty | ok |
| 12:25.53 | Shifty | ty |
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| 12:26.08 | dawk | you need gnome to work with compiz? |
| 12:26.19 | microtux | abrotman, no i didn't meant that |
| 12:26.30 | abrotman | microtux: you want pancakes too? |
| 12:26.31 | wols_ | dawk: no |
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| 12:26.44 | dawk | i apt compiz. doesn't show in gdm. |
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| 12:27.16 | microtux | abrotman, no thanks |
| 12:27.18 | microtux | abrotman, |
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| 12:27.20 | abrotman | streuner: no .. ban still there |
| 12:27.22 | microtux | abrotman, bye |
| 12:27.37 | Y|W | Anyone here having experience with apache2+auth_pam ? |
| 12:27.40 | dawk | wols_: i checked the wiki. says that you need to log into gnome first. not sure though. |
| 12:27.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:27.50 | streuner | abrotman: hm, any idea why is able to speak then? |
| 12:27.54 | streuner | he* |
| 12:27.55 | abrotman | ask don .. |
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| 12:28.07 | streuner | might be a chanserv problem as well |
| 12:28.10 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.03 | wols_ | dawk: you need to be in X obviously. nothing to do with gnome |
| 12:29.05 | streuner | dondelelcaro: Any idea why "Robbie-" is still able to speak? ^^^ |
| 12:29.13 | Nihill | is there any reason to actually log into the root account anyway? isnt su enough? |
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| 12:29.29 | abrotman | Nihill: you could still irc after doing 'su' |
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| 12:29.34 | dawk | wols_: i just tried compiz --replace in xfce. it says it can't find clearlooks theme. |
| 12:29.38 | wols_ | Nihill: if you use su, you are looged in |
| 12:29.55 | dondelelcaro | streuner: he's no longer here, but in theory, he shouldn't have been able to |
| 12:30.16 | streuner | dondelelcaro: chanserv problem? |
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| 12:30.28 | eyowin | hi there, I want to update a package of mine wich I created with dh_make -e email@mail.de --native -s - I want to increase the version-number |
| 12:30.29 | Ronin | he and bigh24 could though |
| 12:30.55 | dondelelcaro | streuner: well, it's server wide, not just chasnerv... but actually, I'm not sure who changed it to be ?= instead of *= |
| 12:31.01 | eyowin | I copied the original folder from version package-0.0.1 to package-0.0.2 and changed the configure.ac |
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| 12:31.32 | dawk | wols_: i'll try again after this apt finishes. |
| 12:31.38 | streuner | well, iam not able to speak ^^^ |
| 12:31.40 | eyowin | how can I archive that the thingiy is updateting? |
| 12:31.47 | smhar | Wyzard, stew, hello again, I am back with the same problem, although I got another realtek based pci network card, I still can not connect to network from the problem computer |
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| 12:31.52 | Ronin | interesting |
| 12:32.19 | smhar | Wyzard, stew, here is a link to some of the testing results: http://paste.debian.net/37950 |
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| 12:32.44 | streuner | dondelelcaro: maybe an exeption? |
| 12:32.47 | dondelelcaro | could be |
| 12:32.50 | wols_ | smhar: never address specific people with your problems out of the blue. always ask the whole channel |
| 12:32.53 | Yorlik | crap - I always get disconnects here - do i need any authentication or something ? |
| 12:33.19 | smhar | wols_, taht is even better :-) |
| 12:33.30 | JosefAssad | In debian etch, hasanyone tried kazehakaze? I enter urls in the location bar and press enter, but precisely nothing happens |
| 12:33.32 | dondelelcaro | actually, I really need to clean out these exemptions |
| 12:33.42 | wols_ | smhar: either the cable or the switch. take your pick |
| 12:33.53 | smhar | wols_, it was them becaue they effortlessly tried to help me before in two sessions |
| 12:34.13 | wols_ | smhar: it doesn't matter. that was yesterday or so. LONG ago |
| 12:34.20 | wols_ | neither Wyzard nor steq are online right now |
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| 12:34.44 | smhar | wols_, neither, when I boot from windows or an old live knoppix , it works |
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| 12:35.17 | wols_ | then it's prossibly a firewall issue or such, but even that is doubtful |
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| 12:35.38 | Yorlik|test | I don't have any trouble in other irc servers |
| 12:36.03 | Yorlik|test | And i don't see any more answers now |
| 12:36.19 | smhar | wols_, I can ping the router from other computers in the same network |
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| 12:38.29 | streuner | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 12:39.11 | streuner | this kind of work is almost a fulltime job |
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| 12:40.45 | xand | spam |
| 12:41.15 | troubled | let me guess, fall cleanup? |
| 12:41.31 | Dave2 | damn some of those exempts must've been old. |
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| 12:41.35 | xand | fall? |
| 12:41.57 | troubled | you guys should just wipe the slate clean and start fresh imho |
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| 12:42.52 | n3kl | Anyone know how to get imap calendaring? |
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| 12:48.29 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to do a fairly massive unbanning, 40 or so lines, so you probably want to /ignore #debian MODES |
| 12:48.38 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever your client's equivalent is) |
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| 12:49.24 | dondelelcaro | again, /ignore #debian MODES is strongly recommended |
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| 12:49.49 | cast_ | i had a thought. is that fellow who keeps fucking up debian, and doing multiple reinstalls in the one day still around somewhere? he should use lvm snapshots to revert his system back :> |
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| 12:50.44 | masus | hi , "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check". can anybody help ? |
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| 12:51.16 | wols_ | !tell masus about b-e |
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| 12:51.26 | streuner | masus: show us the whole error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 12:51.26 | wols_ | masus: if that doesn't help: check the configure log |
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| 12:51.38 | masus | thanks |
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| 12:51.59 | masus | i'll try first |
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| 12:52.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 12:52.35 | dondelelcaro | you can /unignore #debian MODES; if you want |
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| 12:53.12 | h1deki1 | hi, anyone know much about lighttpd config? im trying to set up auth access to multiple places and i wish to do this via regexp but i cant find how to do in lighttpd |
| 12:53.44 | masus | it' working thanks all |
| 12:53.49 | troubled | dondelelcaro: i bet the server cpu usage justy dropped 50% :) |
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| 12:54.29 | ampex | is the symbolic link from /vmlinuz to /boot/vmlinuz* necessary for boot? |
| 12:55.04 | wols_ | ampex: depends what's in your menu.lst |
| 12:55.08 | wols_ | but not really necessary |
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| 12:55.32 | ampex | wols_: my root is RAID5, my /boot is RAID1, so my menu.lst references the names of the files in /boot |
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| 12:56.17 | wols_ | ampex: so you don't need it |
| 12:56.46 | cast_ | whats the reasoning for having /boot in RAID1 and seperate from / in RAID5? surely you're taking up 2 more drives for what gain? |
| 12:57.02 | ampex | You can't boot to RAID5 with Grub can you? |
| 12:57.11 | ampex | And the RAID levels are just partitions on the same three disks |
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| 12:57.24 | ampex | this is software RAID I'm talking about |
| 12:57.27 | wols_ | ampex: you can I think, but it's hard |
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| 12:58.03 | cast_ | ahh, ok. |
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| 12:58.42 | aspWork | think i acctualy managed a downgrade to etch, so now all is well again |
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| 12:59.10 | dondelelcaro | aspWork: you can, so long as you can access the kernel somehow |
| 12:59.40 | aspWork | i did a pin, then a dist-upgrade, now i am running from the etch repo |
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| 13:00.04 | aspWork | i will probably move to lenny though, but i wanted to get back to something that worked |
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| 13:00.26 | eyowin | maybe I should ask a little bit more smarter: How can I update a Makefile, when I use autoconf, automake. I edited configure.ac - What do I have to run so that the Makefile is generated? |
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| 13:00.54 | smhar | anyone can give me some hints on my problem, please? http://paste.debian.net/37950 |
| 13:01.04 | Wyzard | eyowin: configure.ac isn't directly related to a Makefile |
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| 13:01.34 | Wyzard | eyowin: Run autoconf on configure.ac to generate a new configure script, and run the configure script to generate Makefile from Makefile.in |
| 13:01.45 | eyowin | Wyzard: aah ok |
| 13:01.56 | masus | smhar: u don't have a default gateway |
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| 13:02.03 | Wyzard | eyowin: Makefile.in is produced from Makefile.am by automake |
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| 13:02.28 | smhar | masus, it is a fresh install, how to add it? |
| 13:02.44 | eyowin | Wyzard: that worked fine, thx! |
| 13:02.47 | masus | look at this "route add default ...." |
| 13:03.10 | EbilPhish | Anyone had expirence programming with cmake or one of the other atuotools alternatives? |
| 13:03.22 | masus | or add it to your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:03.28 | Wyzard | EbilPhish: I've used scons |
| 13:03.31 | masus | and restart network |
| 13:03.34 | ampex | What does debian use to create initrd images? |
| 13:03.54 | EbilPhish | Wyzard: Found it much better? |
| 13:03.56 | Wyzard | ampex: update-initramfs |
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| 13:04.58 | smhar | masus, I check the route -n in my working debian pc, this one, and the result is exactly the same, the only difference is is instead of eth0 it is eth1 |
| 13:05.03 | Wyzard | EbilPhish: It's much less complex than automake for building stuff |
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| 13:05.25 | masus | smhar : ok let me show your interfaces fle |
| 13:05.26 | Wyzard | EbilPhish: More recently it got some autoconf-like portability features, but they're not as mature as autoconf yet |
| 13:05.26 | masus | file |
| 13:05.35 | ampex | Wyzard: does this automatically pull in my mdadm.conf for software RAID and such? Isn't there also a configuration file that tells initrd what modules to include? |
| 13:05.42 | masus | smhar: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:05.55 | viller | sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom: you must specify the filesystem type. What? |
| 13:05.57 | Wyzard | ampex: Yes, it supports booting from software RAID |
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| 13:06.32 | Wyzard | ampex: I'm using LVM on dm-crypt on RAID5 and didn't have to do anything special with the initramfs |
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| 13:07.59 | ampex | Wyzard: but if I add a few disks to my RAID5 and reshape it, I'm assuming I'd have to update my initrd to include an mdadm.conf with the right number of devices |
| 13:08.07 | masus | smhar: or try this "route add default gw 10.0.0.1" |
| 13:08.19 | smhar | http://paste.debian.net/37952 interfaces |
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| 13:08.34 | masus | sorry wait |
| 13:08.38 | Wyzard | ampex: don't think so... the RAID devices themselves have all that metadata |
| 13:08.58 | Wyzard | ampex: but at most, you'd just run update-initramfs again |
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| 13:09.07 | viller | sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom: you must specify the filesystem type. What? |
| 13:09.08 | masus | smhar: why do u have 2 eth0 in your config file |
| 13:09.33 | masus | smhar: u must have one for eth0 and one for eth1 |
| 13:09.45 | AVRS2 | When I install pango-graphite, Firefox trunk becomes like this: http://delsoft.dyndns.org/tmp/graphitefx0925.png |
| 13:10.20 | masus | smhar fix it |
| 13:10.34 | ampex | how does the debian update-initrd know which modules to load? |
| 13:10.40 | ampex | is there a configuration file somewhere? |
| 13:10.56 | smhar | masus, it all started with the builtin intel network controller not connecting so I was advised to get a realtek based pci card and I did |
| 13:11.01 | Wyzard | AVRS2: I see un-hinted text in that popup menu |
| 13:11.15 | AVRS2 | Wyzard: all the spaces are double-width. |
| 13:11.31 | bobf | ampex, look /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:11.38 | masus | smhar : both are work |
| 13:11.38 | Wyzard | ampex: /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 13:11.50 | Wyzard | ampex: The default setting of "MODULES=most" is fine |
| 13:12.08 | Wyzard | AVRS2: dunno about that, sorry |
| 13:12.14 | masus | smhar: or delete the one config, u have all both |
| 13:12.14 | AVRS2 | np, thx |
| 13:12.27 | masus | smhar: first fix it |
| 13:12.40 | smhar | masus, right now, none works, the builtin one was working with windows |
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| 13:12.49 | smhar | masus, what config, the interfaces? |
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| 13:13.35 | Wyzard | AVRS2: I see Zapfino mentioned on that page though... I'd been wondering if/when Freetype would support all the nifty stuff in Zapfino Extra |
| 13:13.43 | fatalerrors | hi every body |
| 13:13.54 | AVRS2 | Wyzard: that page is not really related. |
| 13:14.02 | Wyzard | oh |
| 13:14.05 | AVRS2 | Wyzard: I just remembered about this bug because of it. |
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| 13:14.23 | fatalerrors | i need help with a big problem on a debian system i've installed |
| 13:14.48 | AVRS2 | Wyzard: the text field uses DejaVu Sans, and other stuff probably also uses it, because it's the default in Minefield, and I only have free fonts installed. |
| 13:14.49 | masus | smhar: http://paste.debian.net/37955 |
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| 13:14.51 | techbee | !tell fatalerrors about ask |
| 13:15.02 | smhar | masus, oh, I got you, that was a pasting problem, this is the interfaces file http://paste.debian.net/37954 |
| 13:15.13 | AVRS2 | Except for Vikidemia, which I don't know about. |
| 13:15.24 | AVRS2 | All the other fonts are from lenny. |
| 13:16.10 | masus | smhar: are both eth0 and eth1 plugged to a switch ? |
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| 13:16.40 | smhar | masus, no I alternate between them |
| 13:16.50 | fatalerrors | i have done an update from debian etch to debian testing cause i need some of the package of the testing. during update non problem at all but after restart when the x serrver make crash all the system |
| 13:17.07 | masus | i think your cabel is pluggged to eth1 |
| 13:17.12 | cast | fatalerrors: using nvidia? |
| 13:17.14 | fatalerrors | how can i do to come back to the old x server version? |
| 13:17.33 | fatalerrors | no it's an old machine... 3dfx voodoo 3 |
| 13:17.56 | fatalerrors | a version integrated on the motherboard |
| 13:17.58 | masus | smhar : switch it and "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 13:18.11 | masus | and try again |
| 13:19.01 | fatalerrors | cast: any idea? |
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| 13:19.27 | smhar | masus, done, and it is the same |
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| 13:19.50 | cast | nope, nfi. |
| 13:20.06 | fatalerrors | arf |
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| 13:20.25 | masus | smhar: i do not why but there is no default gw |
| 13:20.28 | fatalerrors | i'm bad about it :( !!! |
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| 13:22.03 | Wyzard | fatalerrors: Theoretically it should be possible to install the older xorg packages, but that's tricky and downgrades aren't really supported |
| 13:22.18 | Wyzard | fatalerrors: and that wouldn't really *solve* the problem -- you can't keep running the same old xorg version forever |
| 13:22.28 | cast | fatalerrors: how many packages did you need from lenny? |
| 13:22.28 | Wyzard | fatalerrors: It'd be better to figure out why the newer one is crashing |
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| 13:22.42 | cast | fatalerrors: you know, you could go the whole way and see if sid crashes :D |
| 13:22.57 | dondelelcaro | the way you do it is add an apt source which has the old packages (like snapshot.debian.org), select the version you want to install, and walk through and resolve any broken dependencies. |
| 13:23.27 | fatalerrors | i only need to replace "testing" by "sid? |
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| 13:24.04 | dondelelcaro | cast: please don't recommend that people upgrade to unstable unless you're willing to personally support them... |
| 13:24.21 | Shifty | how can i mount a ntfs volume with ntfs-3g? |
| 13:24.24 | Shifty | !ntfs-3g |
| 13:24.25 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 13:24.30 | cast | dondelelcaro: hey...i don't recommend people go paste stable. |
| 13:25.00 | fatalerrors | Wyzard: i cannot know why cause the entire system crash before writing anything in log file... in more, i must power off and on |
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| 13:26.09 | fatalerrors | Wyzard: i've tried tdfx and vesa server with exactly the same result |
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| 13:26.15 | hark | Shifty: man ntfs-3g |
| 13:26.24 | wols_ | Shifty: like any other partition |
| 13:26.33 | fatalerrors | Wyzard: it seems very strange for me !! |
| 13:26.36 | lukas___ | Could anyone say what is the framebuffer driver for intel945? I tried intelfb, but it seems that the resolution can not be set high like 1024x768. |
| 13:26.43 | Shifty | i dont know how :( |
| 13:27.02 | wols_ | lukas___: try vesa then |
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| 13:27.13 | wols_ | Shifty: type ntfs-3g, that's all |
| 13:27.51 | fatalerrors | Wyzard: in the case where don't work have you a link explaining how to come back to an old version ? |
| 13:28.03 | Shifty | ok |
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| 13:28.34 | Shifty | wtf: error reading bootsector |
| 13:28.35 | Wyzard | fatalerrors: No, but see what dondelelcaro said a few minutes ago |
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| 13:30.05 | fatalerrors | i know this but i need last version of kde in fact cause we work on it |
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| 13:31.12 | fatalerrors | that's why we absolutely need to use testing or sid version |
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| 13:31.43 | fatalerrors | and we haven't the time for compilig everything... |
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| 13:34.06 | lukas___ | wols_: great, it works, just to be sure vesa can not handle 1200x800? |
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| 13:34.25 | Wyzard | lukas___: yes it can |
| 13:34.50 | lukas___ | Wyzard: really? I have never managed to do. |
| 13:34.59 | Wyzard | lukas___: I use it on my laptop |
| 13:35.10 | Wyzard | lukas___: The trick is to find out the right mode number for it |
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| 13:35.12 | dmcmorris_ | 1200x800? or 1280x800? |
| 13:35.35 | Wyzard | 1280x800... I assumed that was a typo |
| 13:35.42 | lukas___ | Wyzard: 1280, yes |
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| 13:36.05 | ruben | Hello, I have a dude, if I use a mysql compiled by me (using INSTALL instructions) when I launch mysql I have aprox 6 o 8 process running mysql, but if I use debian mysql I only have one process, why? how can I use only one process with my custom installation? |
| 13:36.09 | hark | Wyzard: vesa or vesafb? |
| 13:36.13 | dmcmorris_ | I thought so also ;). But assumptions can be dangerous ;) |
| 13:36.15 | Wyzard | VESA 1.0 had a fixed list of supported video modes, but in 2.0 it's up to the video card what modes it supports, and what modes they have |
| 13:36.49 | Wyzard | If your laptop has a 1280x800 screen, the video card probably has a 1280x800 VESA mode |
| 13:37.04 | Wyzard | oops, meant to say "and what numbers they have", not "and what modes they have" |
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| 13:37.11 | dmcmorris_ | ruben: Sounds like a "prefork" setting. Anyway, for custom MySQL installations, you'd want #MySQL. This is a channel for debian (and the debian packages) |
| 13:37.19 | windyh | I just installed lenny wtih the netinstall cd from 9/22, and it didn't go so well. At the end of the install, it left me at a plain text console, no xserver, no repositories. I edited sources.list by hand and got gnome installed. I had to apt-get install less, so I suspect a lot of other stuff is missing. Is this normal, and is there some way to get the rest of the usual default install that would be more efficient than installing s |
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| 13:37.56 | Wyzard | windyh: sounds like you got just the base system... with no repos, that's not surprising, since it'd mean nothing else could be installed |
| 13:38.05 | lukas___ | Wyzard: so what should be in the grub? |
| 13:38.05 | Wyzard | windyh: Maybe your installation didn't complete successfully? |
| 13:38.24 | windyh | yeah, when tasksel came up, there was only one choice, and I think it was for base system |
| 13:38.25 | lukas___ | Wyzard: I do not see how to find out that number |
| 13:38.44 | Wyzard | lukas___: On my laptop it's vga=874, which is 1280x800x16bpp |
| 13:39.15 | Wyzard | lukas___: but it could be a different number on yours -- and there's a possibility that the video card actually *doesn't* have a 1280x800 mode |
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| 13:40.53 | Wyzard | lukas___: There are programs you can run that'll give you a listing of the VESA modes supported by your video card |
| 13:40.55 | lukas___ | Wyzard: oh, ok, how have you found your number? On mine 874 seems to be impossible |
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| 13:41.47 | Wyzard | lukas___: and at one point I got a full mode listing in my Xorg.0.log, while the video driver was initializing, but I don't get that anymore so I'm not sure where that came from |
| 13:41.59 | Wyzard | lukas___: I might've been using the vesa xorg driver at the time |
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| 13:42.59 | atoponce | so, everytime X crashes, it seems i was browsing to a tab in iceweasel |
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| 13:43.08 | atoponce | i haven't been able to get it to crash otherwise |
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| 13:47.23 | lukas___ | Wyzard: well you had lucky day |
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| 13:49.15 | lrp | any imagen editor better than gimp ? |
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| 13:49.36 | masus | adobe photoshop :) |
| 13:49.45 | cast | masus: that's not better ;> |
| 13:49.49 | masus | :) |
| 13:50.02 | alexfranci_ | qual'e' un buon newsgroup reader? |
| 13:50.03 | masus | joking |
| 13:50.12 | lrp | hahahaha |
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| 13:50.23 | lrp | masus hahahah that was good |
| 13:50.28 | masus | :) |
| 13:50.45 | lrp | masus i read about pixel but where to download ? |
| 13:51.16 | masus | i don't hear about it |
| 13:51.42 | masus | http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=4 |
| 13:53.04 | masus | Pixel 1.0 Beta 7 build 699 for Debian/Ubuntu/x86, Multilanguage |
| 13:53.19 | masus | http://www.pixelcommunity.com/bin/pixeldemo_1.0.699-1_i386.deb |
| 13:53.22 | masus | ok ? |
| 13:53.26 | gkiagia | lrp: krita is good too |
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| 13:54.38 | masus | krita looks better :9 |
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| 13:56.36 | windyh | shouldn't I see nvidia-glx in synaptic if I added contrib and non-free? |
| 13:56.56 | \amethyst | windyh: did you update after adding them? |
| 13:57.08 | lrp | krita does not look good to me |
| 13:57.14 | windyh | yes, and this is in lenny |
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| 13:57.39 | \amethyst | windyh: lenny doesn't currently have nvidia-glx |
| 13:57.50 | windyh | oh, ok |
| 13:57.52 | cyber_brain_mfkg | hi all! i have a few iptables questions to resolve my problem |
| 13:58.14 | masus | hi |
| 13:58.42 | cyber_brain_mfkg | how to forward torrent ports useing ip tables because torrent client can't connect to tracker |
| 13:58.43 | windyh | thanks \amethyst |
| 13:58.46 | cyber_brain_mfkg | ??? |
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| 13:59.41 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: you behind a NAT made by iptables? |
| 14:00.08 | cyber_brain_mfkg | and when i do iptables-save and restart my machine and type iptables -L -n it seams like i did nothing before restart! |
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| 14:00.39 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, my iptables rules are now at default |
| 14:01.49 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: then you can connect to trackers and no iptables config ever will help you |
| 14:01.54 | AVRS2 | Wyzard: Oh, forgot: when pango-graphite is installed, Minefield keeps outputting: |
| 14:01.55 | AVRS2 | ** (gecko:22175): WARNING **: Exception in gr::RangeSegment |
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| 14:02.32 | Ramattack | Hello! |
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| 14:03.04 | Ramattack | does rsync backup open files? mainly in Linux? and on windows? AFAIK or think on linux while they arent ddbb it's ok... but could anyone confirm me this? and have seen on windows people have some issues... but what about linux?? what do you think about it? are the copies consistent? |
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| 14:03.45 | gileswwwrk | hi debianers |
| 14:03.54 | wols_ | Ramattack: use your brain. and rewrite your question |
| 14:04.07 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, i used to type "iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" and that worked fine but something was wrong in last week...my ISP says they did't closed any port! |
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| 14:04.28 | gileswwwrk | I've got a weird problem now when I use sudo after enabling pam lookups |
| 14:04.39 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: so you don't have a default iptables setup but a very shitty NAT? |
| 14:04.45 | wols_ | !tell cyber_brain_mfkg about ipmasq |
| 14:04.49 | Ramattack | wols_, I have used my brain, done some tests, check rsync mailing list... so I think that what you said it's not very proper mate.. sorry |
| 14:05.01 | gileswwwrk | If I sudo as a local passwd file based user I get prompted twice for a password |
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| 14:05.08 | gileswwwrk | first time always fails |
| 14:05.12 | Ramattack | but needed to ensure |
| 14:05.14 | atoponce | iceweasel -safe-mode seems to keep X from crashing. i updated to the lastest xorg update. any ideas? |
| 14:05.21 | wols_ | Ramattack: I meant to use your brain to pose a proper question. Just think HARD about thid: < Ramattack> does rsync backup open files?" |
| 14:05.22 | Ramattack | and I'm asking for people experience... |
| 14:05.33 | wols_ | Ramattack: what do you think about this genius? |
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| 14:06.24 | Ramattack | I don't see nothing weird there... sorry wols_ ... |
| 14:06.56 | wols_ | if you backup an open for write access but unlocked file, your data is inconsistent, no matter the OS, period |
| 14:07.19 | \amethyst | there is still the question of how inconsistent it will be |
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| 14:07.25 | wols_ | there can be even inconsitences since file y is version n and file x is n+1. file write across different files are never atomic... |
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| 14:07.38 | Ramattack | mmm yeah but for example how do you say about people backing up mail or web servers with rsync without stoping them? |
| 14:07.42 | wols_ | ameyer: undecidable |
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| 14:07.46 | gileswwwrk | . |
| 14:07.46 | wols_ | \amethyst: |
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| 14:08.01 | Ramattack | would you say they're inconsistent? it's quite used... bad or good... but is used.... |
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| 14:08.30 | ks | why date -s "Tue Sep 25 14:04:04 UTC 2007" doesn't set it |
| 14:08.48 | ks | it runs inside Vmware |
| 14:09.02 | wols_ | Ramattack: it depends on the app you try to backup and on its state: undecidable |
| 14:09.22 | wols_ | ks: use ntpdate |
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| 14:09.36 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, when i type iptables-save and reset machine and type iptables -L it shows as i did't put any rule!is that normal??? |
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| 14:09.39 | \amethyst | Ramattack: you could stop mail service, backup the mail directories, restart mail |
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| 14:10.22 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: very normal yes |
| 14:10.24 | Ramattack | mmmm not cool mate... tell that to yahoo people or google people... there should be a way for doing that... although that was only an example... |
| 14:10.45 | Ramattack | \amethyst, I think there should be another better way.. don't know... |
| 14:10.46 | ks | wols_ i need to supply correct to the program, it connects to remote server which allows 10 minutes gap only |
| 14:10.56 | wols_ | Ramattack: lock _that_ particular user's mail. back it up. unlock it again. repeat |
| 14:11.04 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, and that means that my rules are in use by iptables or not? |
| 14:11.11 | wols_ | ks: english pelase |
| 14:11.13 | ks | i think it is python script that uses date |
| 14:11.17 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: not |
| 14:11.33 | wols_ | ks: is the script run as root? |
| 14:11.36 | Ramattack | wols_, and how do you lock files? |
| 14:11.45 | ks | wols yes su - |
| 14:11.53 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, how to set them to be default after restarting computer? |
| 14:11.53 | troubled | Ramattack: chattr +i? |
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| 14:12.45 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: iptable<tab><tab> |
| 14:12.46 | troubled | Ramattack: if your using lvm, things are a tad easier with snapshots if your looking to backup live fs though |
| 14:12.48 | wols_ | and you will see |
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| 14:13.12 | troubled | wols_: /nick wols! ;þ |
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| 14:13.36 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.38 | Ramattack | troubled, yep I'm trying to backup live filesystems... you know |
| 14:13.42 | troubled | :) |
| 14:14.02 | troubled | Ramattack: any chance its on top of lvm? |
| 14:14.05 | Ramattack | but anyway... what could lvm do? |
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| 14:14.32 | troubled | Ramattack: lvm can take a snapshot of an LV at a point in time that doesnt change while you back it up |
| 14:14.44 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, it shows that there are: iptables,iptables-save,iptables-restore!!!and when i do iptables-save after restarting there are no rules :S!!!! |
| 14:15.07 | wols_ | now WHY would you do iptables-save after a bootup? do you ever think? |
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| 14:15.17 | py_ | hello |
| 14:15.38 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: and when you do NAT, why aren't you using ipmasq? |
| 14:15.49 | py_ | I've a debian sarge box. I want to load the softdog module at startup. Where can I tell I want it loaded? |
| 14:16.25 | Ramattack | so... then there's no way... of backing up filesystems succesfully with rsync? is always required another soft? |
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| 14:16.28 | wols_ | py_: is that a kernel modules? |
| 14:16.36 | Ramattack | you know open files |
| 14:16.41 | Ramattack | live production server |
| 14:16.48 | py_ | wols_, yes it is |
| 14:16.54 | wols_ | py_: /etc/modules |
| 14:17.02 | py_ | wols_, thx |
| 14:17.10 | cyber_brain_mfkg | !etch repositories |
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| 14:17.20 | Enselic | Hello, our company is pondering to package an application in a .deb. To use the applicatino however, the user would have to agree on an EULA. Does .deb support these kinds of things? |
| 14:17.45 | wols_ | Enselic: is the software Free software? is it DFSG compliant? |
| 14:17.52 | cyber_brain_mfkg | !repositories |
| 14:18.00 | Enselic | That is, that the user have to agree to an EULA before being able to use the program |
| 14:18.03 | troubled | Ramattack: theres no easy way to back up in use files. windows have shadow copy, but thats similar to lvm snapshot. you need to take care to look at each daemon you use such as db's and ensure you dump them seperate for consitent state |
| 14:18.06 | wols_ | !tell cyber_brain_mfkg about mirrors |
| 14:18.07 | Enselic | wols: nope |
| 14:18.23 | wols_ | Enselic: then it can never ever be in debian and your question is wholly irrelevant |
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| 14:18.41 | wols_ | but you can shoehoern it with debconf of course |
| 14:18.42 | Ramattack | yep quite true mate.... |
| 14:18.44 | Enselic | wols_: we are not looking for having it in a repo, simply just providing a .de |
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| 14:18.51 | Enselic | .deb* |
| 14:18.56 | OliverKrueger | HelloWorld |
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| 14:19.05 | wols_ | Enselic: then your question is still irrelevant. debian doesn't care about other people's repos |
| 14:19.08 | Ramattack | I needed a system for that... for backing up live servers |
| 14:19.31 | Enselic | wols_: um, sorry but I don't see how an EULA support in .debs have anyting to do with debian repos |
| 14:20.01 | wols_ | I don't see how anything non debian related has anything to with #debian either, but there you are asking irrelevant questions |
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| 14:20.24 | Enselic | I am asking a question abou the debian file format, I think that's pretty debian related |
| 14:20.40 | Enselic | though I guess a debian development channel would be more appropriate |
| 14:20.46 | wols_ | ubuntu is not debian, strangely enough they use .deb files too |
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| 14:20.59 | wols_ | Enselic: and I long ago gave you the answer |
| 14:21.03 | py_ | wols_ is a question about the .deb format irrelevant for #debian? Quite strange! |
| 14:21.17 | troubled | Ramattack: lsof is handy to cruise the system with as root though |
| 14:21.28 | Enselic | wols_: not really, you just said my question was irrelevant |
| 14:21.32 | wols_ | py_: we have tons of people who have questions about .e.g. apt-get while running ubuntu. that is very much OT too here |
| 14:21.45 | Ramattack | troubled, yep.. may be... |
| 14:21.51 | wols_ | Enselic: you are mistaken16:18 < wols_> but you can shoehoern it with debconf of course |
| 14:22.01 | Ramattack | I'm trying to simulate an isp backup system... |
| 14:22.03 | Enselic | wols_: oops, sorry, missed that |
| 14:22.08 | Enselic | that's pretty embarassing |
| 14:22.09 | Enselic | sorry |
| 14:22.10 | Ramattack | for my servers |
| 14:22.15 | cast | Enselic: at the very least debian is a about *free* software :) which AFAIK never have EULAs. so you seem to want to do something contrary to the spirit of debian |
| 14:22.21 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, i've just installed ipmasq!what now? |
| 14:22.26 | troubled | Ramattack: really, i would think a dbms would be the main thing affected though, thus an sql dump daily just before the backup fires |
| 14:22.30 | py_ | wols_: yes I see the point. But where should generic questions about the .deb format be asked, then? |
| 14:22.30 | Ramattack | I suppose most isp will use veritas in one or another way |
| 14:22.40 | wols_ | cast: debian has a TON of EULAS. GPL, LGPL, MIT, artistic, MPL, etc :P |
| 14:22.44 | Ramattack | troubled, yep thats done |
| 14:22.44 | \amethyst | cast: openoffice has a click-through I think |
| 14:22.55 | wols_ | py_: oftc has channels I think. |
| 14:22.57 | Zelest | I just installed Debian on my new laptop with the hope to learn more about this distribution.. Yet, it's a laptop and I expected some issues with getting some of the hardware to work.. I've figured I need the ipw3945 modules and downloaded a .deb file from packages.debian.org. |
| 14:23.03 | cast | wols_: i thought there was a difference between a license and a EULA? |
| 14:23.05 | Wyzard | wols_: Those aren't really EULAs, they're copyright licenses |
| 14:23.10 | Ramattack | I always backup databases dumping databases before... but you know... |
| 14:23.20 | Wyzard | wols_: A EULA is a contract that the vendor makes you agree to before you can use the product |
| 14:23.21 | Ramattack | there are other software like mail, web... |
| 14:23.29 | Ramattack | in wich you can't do a dump |
| 14:23.36 | wols_ | Wyzard: license which apply to end users. GPL applies to me as the MS EULA. same thing |
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| 14:23.46 | Zelest | However, I get "Dependency is not satisfiable" and I've upgraded all packages and such.. What am I doing wrong, and how can I solve it? :) |
| 14:23.48 | troubled | Ramattack: svn also makes a decent backup method. commit changes to svn, this way a loss/corruption of a file in use is likely to be safe/sane in svn, which is backup seperately and safely |
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| 14:23.55 | \amethyst | wols_: GPL doesn't place limitations on end-users AFAIK |
| 14:23.59 | \amethyst | wols_: only on distributors |
| 14:24.01 | Wyzard | wols_: Not at all... you're free to install and use GPL software even if you don't accept the GPL |
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| 14:24.14 | OliverKrueger | I have an ethernet / driver problem: I have a Debian Etch within an Knoppix environment (booting the kernel from knoppix). After modprobing my eth driver (pcnet32) and "ifconfig eth up" i get a "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device". Why? dmesg says: pcnet32: 1 card found. |
| 14:24.23 | Wyzard | wols_: It only applies to *distribution* of the software |
| 14:24.24 | wols_ | the only difference is that I WANT the GPL to apply even when shaky cause otherwise I have no business using the software, while a typical (MS) EULA is pure bullshit (in .de at least) |
| 14:24.27 | Ramattack | whats svn?? |
| 14:24.33 | Wyzard | wols_: (except GPL3, but that's why there's so much controversy over it) |
| 14:24.37 | OliverKrueger | Ramattack: subversion |
| 14:24.43 | \amethyst | !svn |
| 14:24.43 | dpkg | [subversion] a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
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| 14:24.46 | OliverKrueger | Ramattack: version control tool |
| 14:24.51 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, i've just installed ipmasq!what now? |
| 14:24.52 | Ramattack | a cvs? |
| 14:25.02 | wols_ | Wyzard: no I'm not. cause then copyright applies. and no one gave me permission under that copyright to use the linux kernel. so either GPL applies or I am SOL |
| 14:25.04 | Enselic | Ramattack: It's a great system |
| 14:25.06 | cast | Ramattack: consult wikipedia, a version control system |
| 14:25.15 | troubled | Ramattack: basically, little more modern though and better than cvs (easier as well) |
| 14:25.28 | wols_ | while no one might sue me for copyright violation for using Linux, I'm technically still liable |
| 14:25.51 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: nothing. now you have working NAT |
| 14:25.55 | Ramattack | but I didn't want to have mailbox repository that could be nasty |
| 14:26.03 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: which should be a bit more secure than what you had before |
| 14:26.27 | Wyzard | wols_: Copyright law doesn't restrict you from using the Linux kernel |
| 14:26.29 | OliverKrueger | Is this the right place to ask questions like my ethernet ques above? |
| 14:26.43 | wols_ | OliverKrueger: there never ever is a "eth" on any linux system |
| 14:26.48 | wols_ | OliverKrueger: run /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 14:26.50 | Wyzard | wols_: It only restricts you from *copying* it |
| 14:27.10 | wols_ | Wyzard: to use it I have to copy it... |
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| 14:27.24 | Wyzard | wols_: and the temporary copy made by loading it into RAM for the purpose of running it is exempt |
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| 14:27.38 | wols_ | I have to copy it to my harddisk |
| 14:27.39 | Wyzard | wols_: There's an established precedent for that, I believe |
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| 14:28.21 | OliverKrueger | wois_: thanks alot for the hint (-a). :-) Now I have to find out, why its eth2 instead of eth0. |
| 14:28.33 | jetscreamer | now the fonts look different AGAIN |
| 14:28.41 | jetscreamer | but that is not why we are gathered here today |
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| 14:28.44 | muh2000 | hard disk error: do i use the wrong driver or is my hard disk dying ? http://nopaste.org/p/a673Is2H4 |
| 14:28.53 | jetscreamer | is there some usb borkage in sid that i don't know about? |
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| 14:29.42 | Wyzard | wols_: I think from a common-sense perspective, installation to your computer is part of the distribution done by Debian |
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| 14:30.21 | Wyzard | wols_: I've read lots of discissions of GPL compliance online and never heard a serious concern raised over the need for a license to install software that was obtained legitimately |
| 14:31.30 | wols_ | Wyzard: you CANNOT obtain GPLed software legitimately unless the chain of sale or whatever complies with the GPL |
| 14:32.01 | wols_ | and while you might have done nothing wrong (e.g you bought "stolen" software by no fault of yours in good faith) you still can#t use that software then. you have to destroy it |
| 14:32.10 | Wyzard | wols_: Of course, but the GPL's requirements are on the distributor in that case, not on you |
| 14:32.32 | wols_ | if you buy windows from a crook dealer and that dealer gets busted, MS might knock at your door and tell you to delete it or licnese "proper" windows |
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| 14:33.24 | Wyzard | wols_: And that's because you agreed to a EULA, while installing Windows, saying that you can only use the software with Microsoft's permission |
| 14:33.40 | wols_ | no. cause I live in a country with copyright laws |
| 14:33.54 | Wyzard | wols_: Copyright doesn't cover use, and it has exceptions for fair-use personal copying |
| 14:33.55 | wols_ | this applies not only to software but ALL stolen goods |
| 14:34.19 | Dave2 | .o(Good job copyright infringement != stealing, then...) |
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| 14:34.31 | wols_ | if I buy a TV that dropped from the back of a van, the rightful owner can come and demand his TV back. and there is nothing I can do except suing the thief for my lost money |
| 14:34.32 | Wyzard | wols_: If you buy a CD, for example, you can legitimately copy it to your computer; that's exempted as fair use |
| 14:34.34 | Dave2 | (A case where the distinction is important.) |
| 14:34.59 | Wyzard | wols_: and listening to the music (either from the CD or from your computer) has nothing to do with copyright at all |
| 14:35.20 | Wyzard | wols_: "stolen goods" applies to physical property, like a stolen Windows CD |
| 14:35.22 | wols_ | Wyzard: In .de I can even copy it and give it to my friend while keeping the CD. but I've never seen this apply to software here. EULA or no |
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| 14:35.36 | wols_ | in fact, EULAs are non binding in .de anyways |
| 14:35.38 | Wyzard | wols_: Copyright infringement is not stealing |
| 14:35.51 | FastPutty | hi someone could help me out with OPenVPN and SSL encryption |
| 14:36.02 | wols_ | e.g. I can resell OEM liecenses like any other software. no "OEM stays with the PC it was bought with) |
| 14:36.04 | ks | why hwclock might show 06:33 and date 10:07 ? |
| 14:36.06 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates!! |
| 14:36.07 | Wyzard | wols_: If someone steals a Windows CD and gives it to you, you've received stolen goods and you have to return it when you find out about it |
| 14:36.08 | Ramattack | see you!!!! |
| 14:36.28 | themill | Wyzard: copying a cd onto your computer is *not* fair use in many countries including .uk and .au |
| 14:36.29 | Wyzard | wols_: If someone *copies* a Windows CD and gives it to you, what you've received is not stolen goods |
| 14:36.31 | wols_ | Wyzard: then I copyright infringed, doesn't matter. I infringe and have no right to use it, period |
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| 14:37.12 | wols_ | I don't get sued for the infringing unless I don't comply and destroy the copy after MS or whoever told me about it. and then MS could sue |
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| 14:37.50 | themill | Wyzard: be very careful when talking about "fair use". Such things vary lots between jurisdictions and are often poorly or differently defined if they exist at all. |
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| 14:38.20 | Wyzard | themill: That's true; I know it's fair use under US law but I'm sure it differs in other places |
| 14:38.46 | wols_ | Wyzard: if I could continue to use GPL or windows software that was made in an infringing way, copyright would be useless. I'd sjust claim "I found the CD lying on the street" and happily ever after use it |
| 14:38.50 | wols_ | that can't be the solution |
| 14:39.13 | wols_ | and it doesn't matter if the finding on the street happens in .de or in .us. same applies |
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| 14:40.58 | seanp2k | i think i broke gcc |
| 14:41.14 | seanp2k | http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=4245 |
| 14:41.21 | seanp2k | look under core tests |
| 14:41.23 | Wyzard | wols_: In the Windows case there's more than just copyright involved, because of Microsoft's EULA... in the GPL case, I believe you *could* use the software anyway |
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| 14:41.47 | Wyzard | wols_: Suppose you found a Debian installation CD in the street -- binaries without source code |
| 14:41.47 | Nebukadneza | hi |
| 14:41.55 | seanp2k | in particular usr/local/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
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| 14:42.21 | Nebukadneza | i've got a problem with the debian command_not_found_handle() extension to bash. i'd like to check whether the command not found is a dir, if so cd to it, and if not try to ssh to what was not found. |
| 14:42.23 | Wyzard | wols_: Whoever left the CD there didn't comply with the GPL in giving it to you, but you can still install it and use it if you want |
| 14:42.27 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, i restarted my machine and routing with other machine works just fine,but torrent downloadnig wont start again :(!"problem connecting to tracker - time out exceeded"??? |
| 14:42.36 | Nebukadneza | problem is that cd'ing there doesnt work since the handle is executed in a subshell |
| 14:42.40 | Nebukadneza | what can i do? |
| 14:42.50 | Wyzard | wols_: *You* aren't violating the GPL by using it, because the GPL says you must include source code when distributing the software, not when installing or using it on your own PC |
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| 14:44.10 | Wyzard | Nebukadneza: sounds like that can't be done with a subshell, but bash can load new builtin commands (as compiled .so libraries) which could probably do that sort of thing |
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| 14:44.43 | wols_ | cyber_brain_mfkg: are you sure the tracker even exists? I have my doubts |
| 14:45.09 | Nebukadneza | Wyzard: ouf. doesnt sound like a setup i'd want to run for more than a few boxes |
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| 14:45.41 | wols_ | Wyzard: ok. from now on i "find" all my windows and office CDs in the street. wonder what MS and the courts say. I can always say "Your Honor, I didn't infringe copyright. I FOUND it. some evil dude did all the bad deeds" |
| 14:45.41 | Wyzard | Nebukadneza: Well, it can load them dynamically; it's not like you have to recompile bash |
| 14:45.52 | Nebukadneza | ah, ok |
| 14:45.54 | Wyzard | Nebukadneza: See the bash-builtins package |
| 14:46.05 | wols_ | Wyzard: what do you think the court will reply? |
| 14:46.28 | Nebukadneza | hm, let me guess - i have to write c? |
| 14:46.32 | Wyzard | wols_: You'd probably be violating Microsoft's EULA by installing a copy that you didn't buy |
| 14:46.38 | Wyzard | Nebukadneza: probably |
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| 14:46.46 | Nebukadneza | hmmm, housto, we have a problem |
| 14:46.48 | Wyzard | wols_: That's distinct from copyright |
| 14:46.54 | wols_ | Wyzard: EULAS don't apply here... remember? |
| 14:46.55 | jorgp | anyone have any ideas how close gnome 2.20 is to being completely uploaded to unstable? I know its in progress |
| 14:47.27 | wols_ | not to mention very few 10 year old buy their own PCs which they get at Xmas. with a perfectly fine WIndows installed |
| 14:47.28 | Wyzard | wols_: Yes they do... that's the whole point of a EULA, to make you agree to additional terms (beyond the scope of copyright) before *using* some software |
| 14:48.01 | seanp2k | so no ideas for missing stubs-32.h? I can't compile anything in C++. |
| 14:48.03 | wols_ | Wyzard: you sure about german law? please point me to the one that legitimates EULAs |
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| 14:48.15 | wols_ | !tell seanp2k about b-e |
| 14:48.23 | Wyzard | wols_: Copyright is law so you're bound by it whether you agree or not (i.e. you can't distribute without permission), but the additional terms in a EULA are beyond the scope of copyright, so it has to be a contract that you must explicitly agree to |
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| 14:48.31 | rowlandchane | hi in here |
| 14:48.53 | Wyzard | wols_: I don't know about the legal details of EULAs in Germany, and "clickwrap" licenses are shaky even in the US where I live |
| 14:48.58 | rowlandchane | any packade make who could help me? |
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| 14:49.05 | Nebukadneza | Wyzard: you sure there is no easier way of 'cd'ing' a shell from a bashrc function? |
| 14:49.08 | Wyzard | wols_: I'm just telling you how they're intended to work, and how they're distinct from copyright licenses |
| 14:49.08 | wols_ | Wyzard: if you get a good in an illegitimate way (see van bought from the back of a truck) then you can't use that good. same with software |
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| 14:49.20 | wols_ | so the EULA is moot: if you got it in the wrong way, you cannot use it |
| 14:49.34 | stew | jorgp: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
| 14:49.37 | wols_ | at least if the copyright holder demands it (it's a civil thing with copyright) |
| 14:49.49 | Wyzard | Nebukadneza: A subprocess can't change the current directory of its parent process |
| 14:49.56 | jorgp | stew: |
| 14:50.09 | seanp2k | wols_: already have build-essential...GCC WAS working, idk what i did |
| 14:50.11 | Wyzard | wols_: I'm neither a lawyer nor a German, and that sounds plausible, so I won't argue that point |
| 14:50.36 | Wyzard | wols_: but how does that relate to your original claim (the one I'm mainly concerned with) that you can't install Debian on your own computer without agreeing to the GPL? |
| 14:50.42 | Nebukadneza | Wyzard: okay, thanks anyway |
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| 14:51.41 | wols_ | seanp2k: /msg dpkg search Just look where stubs-32.h is included, what package |
| 14:51.43 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, try yourself this one http://www.mininova.org/get/906874 |
| 14:51.59 | cyber_brain_mfkg | wols_, it won't work 4 me |
| 14:52.12 | Wyzard | wols_: My understanding is that Debian distributes software in compliance with the GPL (i.e. *they* have to abide by it), and using their CD as-intended to install to your computer is part of their distribution activity, not new distribution activity on your part |
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| 14:52.32 | wols_ | cause otherwise nothing would grant you the right. by defualt every piece of code is under copyright. while Linus might not sue you if you don't agree with the GPL, it doesn't mean he can't |
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| 14:52.51 | jorgp | the desktop does not completely load yet in gnome/unstable |
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| 14:53.35 | stew | cyber_brain_mfkg: illegal trading of copyrighted material has no place on this network. you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 14:53.48 | Wyzard | wols_: You should ask debian-legal about that, because I don't think that's their interpretation |
| 14:54.15 | Trewas | wols_: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ClickThrough that might be relevant, "You are not required to agree to anything to merely use software which is licensed under the GPL." |
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| 14:55.07 | Kurin- | What's the name of the apt package that includes all the general dev tools? gcc, libraries, etc |
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| 14:55.14 | abrotman | !b-e Kurin- |
| 14:55.15 | dpkg | Kurin-: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:55.16 | Enselic | Kurin-: build-esseitnal |
| 14:55.19 | Wyzard | Trewas: Installing (copying from CD to hard drive) is distinct from running, though |
| 14:55.27 | Kurin- | Thanks |
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| 14:55.54 | seanp2k | apt-file can't find anything on stubs-32.h |
| 14:56.09 | abrotman | did you apt-file updat e? |
| 14:56.11 | abrotman | update |
| 14:56.13 | seanp2k | i'm on a 32bit system and don't know why i'd need 32bit header build stuff |
| 14:56.13 | seanp2k | yeah |
| 14:56.19 | Trewas | Wyzard: seems to be splitting hairs, software cannot be used without installing |
| 14:56.22 | abrotman | !find stubs-32.h etch |
| 14:56.44 | wols_ | Wyzard: if I install a normal debian there is of course no problem, but say someone bundles vmware with debian and sells THAT to me, then me installing debian is infringing |
| 14:56.47 | Wyzard | Trewas: I understand wols_' point; I just think we'd be hearing a lot more discussions about that sort of compliance if using an installation CD the way the distributor intended to be used was considered a new distribution on your own part |
| 14:56.47 | wols_ | imho |
| 14:57.41 | wols_ | and while I won't be sued for installing it, if I delete it, "they" could sue if I don't comply with their wish |
| 14:57.42 | Wyzard | wols_: The person giving that to you would certainly be infringing... but I don't think you would be |
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| 14:57.58 | wols_ | Wyzard: I would. fruit of the poisoned tree basically |
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| 14:58.12 | wols_ | I had a ship shape debian install with evil vmware. something that is not directly allowed |
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| 14:58.39 | Trewas | wols_: but you would not be breaking/infinging gpl in any way just by using the software, no matter how you get it |
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| 14:59.01 | wols_ | it's not that plausible with my example of course but consider a consumer router maker that violates the GPL as many did and do |
| 14:59.03 | Wyzard | wols_: Well, that's analogous to your earlier example of a Windows CD that fell off a truck, so again I'm not going to argue that point |
| 14:59.05 | en1gma | does linux have a greeting card designer app....or do i have to get wine so i can install the hp greeting card designer cd |
| 14:59.25 | abrotman | en1gma: yes |
| 14:59.26 | wols_ | in that case it's not really possible for me to comply with the GPL by removing the closed source part for example |
| 14:59.35 | Wyzard | wols_: What about the case of a normal, legitimately-obtained Debian CD, which you want to install, but you don't accept the redistribution terms of the GPL? |
| 14:59.36 | en1gma | abortman yes to what |
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| 14:59.48 | loca|host | hello all |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | en1gma: you could use one of the office suites to make one |
| 15:00.15 | wols_ | Wyzard: intent is (in this case) not punishable. so I will only be nailed when I actually act on it |
| 15:00.16 | en1gma | do they have already made templates? |
| 15:00.18 | stew | Wyzard: then you can't copy the software at all, since it is copyrighted |
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| 15:00.38 | Trewas | wols_: you only have to comply with gpl when you distribute the software, merely using it requires no agreement to anything (according to fsf's faq) |
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| 15:00.42 | stew | Wyzard: its only the GPL that grants you the additional, not normally granted, right to copy the software |
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| 15:00.45 | Wyzard | stew: Not even running the installer on the CD? |
| 15:00.48 | Ethan | hi |
| 15:00.49 | Ethan | hi |
| 15:00.49 | polpo | ciao a tutti |
| 15:00.49 | Wyzard | stew: I understand that |
| 15:00.53 | polpo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.59 | loca|host | i've plugged a modem into my serial port and have nothing in my /var/log/messages, is there any module to load to get serial ports working ? how to debug my situation ? |
| 15:01.01 | en1gma | abortman i only have kde base installed so i cant check yet |
| 15:01.02 | Ethan | is there a way to add a driver to a netboot install ? |
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| 15:01.31 | stew | Wyzard: right. you wouldn't have the right to copy the software from the install cd |
| 15:01.33 | abrotman | !tell Ethan about custom netinst |
| 15:01.35 | Wyzard | stew: but the stance of GNU and the Debian project seems to be that you only need to agree to the license in order to give the software to others, not to install it on your own computer from the normal distribution channels |
| 15:01.59 | Ethan | abrotman: where is the bot :D |
| 15:02.11 | abrotman | Ethan: he didn't msg you ? |
| 15:02.14 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:02.14 | dpkg | niihau, abrotman |
| 15:02.20 | stew | Wyzard: the stance of GNU and debian is that you are operating under the terms of the license, you are talking about not operating under the terms of the license |
| 15:02.26 | Trewas | wols_: I see your point about windows CDs but IMHO it does not apply at all to GPLd stuff, a stolen debian CD would be of course illegal but running the programs you installed from it would still be fine |
| 15:02.26 | Ethan | o yes |
| 15:02.32 | Ethan | strange name lol |
| 15:02.38 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 15:02.53 | wols_ | Trewas: no. not doable with current copyright |
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| 15:03.29 | Wyzard | stew: No, I mean, the stance seems to be that people who don't agree to the license are still OK to install; they just can't redistribute |
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| 15:03.54 | Wyzard | stew: That's the impression I've gotten from various discussions I've read (on debian-devel and debian-legal as well as places like Slashdot and Reddit) |
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| 15:04.33 | Azar | Wyzard: that's what I understood too.. |
| 15:04.36 | themill | Wyzard: that's correct. |
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| 15:05.07 | Trewas | wols_: why not? in case BSA comes to visit (and they visit only companies) they only care about the purchase documents of software that is used, the install media itself is of no interest to them |
| 15:05.11 | themill | Wyzard: that's why I truly don't understand how the BSD people think the GPL is a restrictive licence. |
| 15:05.30 | wols_ | Wyzard: legally it is not right if they do it, the problem is there is no sensible way to sue them |
| 15:05.47 | wols_ | especially since suing them would go counter to the goals of the GPL |
| 15:05.51 | Azar | because GPL requires that along with distribution the release of code should be going along... |
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| 15:06.10 | themill | wols_: no, legally it's ok. perhaps morally lacking, but the licence only applies to distribution not usage. |
| 15:06.32 | Azar | BSD does not care what the end user does with the code, if it locks it or release it |
| 15:06.40 | Wyzard | Azar: Good point -- that'd mean that anyone who installs Debian to their hard drive without also putting all the source code on their hard drive is violating the GPL :-) |
| 15:06.50 | helo | Azar: but they really do :) |
| 15:07.07 | wols_ | themill: yes, but coypright applies ALWAYS. and copyright forbids it. and the only thing that waives that copyright is the GPL which we said one doesn't follow... |
| 15:07.11 | wols_ | catch 22 |
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| 15:07.21 | themill | Wyzard: no, that's not the case. |
| 15:07.25 | Azar | helo: some commercial companies, take the software and locks it. (blocks access to the code) |
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| 15:07.34 | wols_ | Wyzard: no. since I don'tr distribute I don't have to do anything with source |
| 15:07.41 | en1gma | is koffice same as openoffice |
| 15:07.49 | helo | Wyzard: i think the distribution only comes into affect when modifications are made |
| 15:07.57 | xerophyte4 | i could not find the rndc or ndc .. for the bind does anybody know which package has that |
| 15:08.00 | helo | and only if you were to set it up and give it to someone... |
| 15:08.08 | Azar | helo: no, I guess in any situation |
| 15:08.14 | wols_ | en1gma: no |
| 15:08.15 | themill | Azar: take an old windows machine and grep for Berkeley in the the system32 directory.... |
| 15:08.18 | Wyzard | wols_: but if installing from CD to hard drive is copying which may only be done under the terms of the GPL, that means you're obligated to copy the source code to your hard drive too |
| 15:08.30 | wols_ | Wyzard: no |
| 15:08.35 | helo | Azar: i was referring to their whining regarding the GPL'ing of BSD code :) |
| 15:08.41 | themill | Wyzard: no, distribution is giving to to someone |
| 15:08.43 | Azar | is like buying a game, try re-sell it without the instructions of the game |
| 15:08.46 | wols_ | copying stuff to my harddisk is no distribution. GPL only comes into play when you actually distribute |
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| 15:09.05 | Azar | helo: well, BSD.... is just penix envy there |
| 15:09.17 | helo | wols_: but even if you distribute, if you make no modifications you still don't have to make the code available, right? |
| 15:09.40 | Wyzard | wols_: That's my understanding too, but you said earlier that you can't install GPL software without agreeing to the GPL, because installation is copying |
| 15:09.42 | stew | helo: incorrect |
| 15:10.02 | Azar | helo: in a way BSD guys have their say... they give code unconditionally they only are upset that GPL puts conditions which they do not agree with |
| 15:10.12 | stew | helo: well depending on how you received your offer of sourcecode |
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| 15:10.22 | wols_ | Wyzard: yes. copyrigh regulates ALL copying. so you technically and legally infringe |
| 15:10.30 | helo | hmm |
| 15:10.32 | wols_ | it's just that it would be silly to sue you only for that |
| 15:11.05 | themill | Installation is not copying. |
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| 15:11.15 | stew | helo: and by that i'm referring specifically to 3c of GPL-2 |
| 15:11.33 | Penix | Azar: gee, you've really done your homework there... |
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| 15:11.34 | Azar | code taken from the GPL by BSD, modified and licenced as BSD does not work very well because BSD licence crosses the main GPL condition: free for taken by anyone to share or lock (wee don't care) |
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| 15:11.56 | Azar | Penix: I am fencer, what can I say.... |
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| 15:12.59 | stew | Azar: uhh, that would be illegal |
| 15:13.06 | Azar | you take GPL code, modify it or not, distribute it you gotta share like it or not |
| 15:13.12 | kevinO | hello when i run apt-get update, i get a few errors: |
| 15:13.19 | themill | !paste |
| 15:13.20 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:13.34 | Azar | stew: poor wording on my part the last portion of sentence was about what BSD does |
| 15:13.38 | Penix | Azar: the exact opposite is actually what's happening right now |
| 15:13.43 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 15:13.53 | Azar | Penix: huh? |
| 15:13.57 | stew | Azar: "code taken from the GPL by BSD, modified and licenced as BSD". you can't relicense it. |
| 15:13.59 | loca|host | i've attached a serial modem that i cant see it where in /dev |
| 15:14.03 | kevinO | Err htp://security.debain.org etch/updates TRelease.gpg //Temporary failure resolving 'security.debain.org |
| 15:14.15 | loca|host | i've tryed with minicom with /dev/ttyS* and nothing |
| 15:14.24 | Ronin | kevinO: its spelled wroing |
| 15:14.26 | Ronin | wroing |
| 15:14.28 | Ronin | damn it |
| 15:14.28 | loca|host | dmesg and /var/log/messages show nothing about the modem |
| 15:14.33 | Azar | stew: yes I know, I was just saying "why" (if this would be allowed) is not working |
| 15:14.34 | kevinO | themill who pasted anything |
| 15:14.40 | Ronin | kevinO: its debian not debain |
| 15:14.51 | kevinO | ahh |
| 15:14.51 | amphi | !debain |
| 15:14.51 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 15:14.56 | themill | kevinO: it looked like you were about to... |
| 15:14.59 | Wyzard | themill: Installation is definitely copying; it's just not distribution |
| 15:15.04 | Penix | Azar: people using BSD licensed code in a GPL project and effectively locking out non-GPL contributions back to the original project |
| 15:15.12 | kevinO | nope i know better :) |
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| 15:15.19 | Azar | personally, I would like to see BSD and GPL making peace in some way... |
| 15:15.23 | themill | kevinO: :) |
| 15:15.29 | Penix | or, rather, not offering a non-GPL 'payback' |
| 15:15.31 | Wyzard | themill: I guess that's the root of what I'm wondering about -- copyright law talks about copying, but Debian and the GPL talk about (re)distribution |
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| 15:16.07 | themill | Wyzard: *nod* but you (and others) were using "copying" to mean "distribution" which is why you were getting confused about installing requiring you to agree to the gpl. |
| 15:16.45 | kevinO | ok guys that spelling was my error, its spelled right in sources.list |
| 15:16.56 | Wyzard | themill: I think it *doesn't* require acceptance of the GPL just to install, according to the prevailing legal theory in the open-source community, but I'm trying to understand the legal basis for that |
| 15:17.15 | SpeedyG | lol, so I'm sitting at the helpdesk of my school working, two students come by to _ask_ if its allowed to download stuff (nobody ever asks if its allowed) |
| 15:17.25 | Azar | Penix: it is too sad BSD guys don't understand that their code is being taken and used for profit by individuals/companies that are locking the code... who knows later down the road claiming ownership of the software.. |
| 15:17.30 | SpeedyG | and all they wanted to download, were just two debian iso's :D |
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| 15:17.52 | amphi | Azar: what makes you think they don't realise that? |
| 15:18.18 | Azar | amphi: the way they defend their licencing ? |
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| 15:18.52 | Penix | Azar: see, the this is, it's not evil companies etc. 'locking' code. they're using the code like they're entitled to. in the case of the GPL though, if the BSD licensed project wants to integrate the GPL project's changes, they have to adopt the license |
| 15:18.55 | kevinO | is ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 15:18.55 | Wyzard | Azar: They do realize that... it's well-known, for example, that Windows has used a BSD-derived TCP/IP stack |
| 15:19.01 | Penix | s/this is/this is the thing/ |
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| 15:19.13 | wols_ | Azar: they don't defend it against said companies, right no some BSD folks only "defend" it againt people using GPL licenses |
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| 15:19.27 | stew | themill: one never has to accept the terms of the GPL unless you want to copy it or distribute it. in which case, you do |
| 15:19.31 | Azar | I mean come on, they are OK with "anyone" getting their code as long as it contains credit lines for the author, but not caring if their code is being grabbed and locked? |
| 15:19.50 | amphi | Azar: what 'way'? AFAIK, they assert that their licence is more 'free', as people can incorporate it in proprietary sw if they want |
| 15:19.52 | themill | stew: you are absolutely correct. That's what I've been trying to say. |
| 15:20.10 | kevinO | ... |
| 15:20.13 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell APT to ignore the state of VLC package? |
| 15:20.14 | Penix | Azar: the whole 'viral' argument comes in to it I guess |
| 15:20.17 | stew | themill: but you seem to be saying that somehow distribution requres the license but copying doesn't? |
| 15:20.19 | Azar | amphi: free for taken.. |
| 15:20.21 | HardDisk_WP | It depends on ubuntu libs, but works fine |
| 15:20.27 | HardDisk_WP | but APT is whining |
| 15:20.36 | kevinO | maybe #ubuntu can help me |
| 15:20.41 | HardDisk_WP | nooo |
| 15:20.45 | HardDisk_WP | I use debian |
| 15:20.49 | Ronin | kevinO: pastebin the exact error |
| 15:20.51 | Azar | Penix: "viral" meaning that everything it touches impose obeying by the rules |
| 15:20.53 | HardDisk_WP | but installed a Ubuntu package |
| 15:21.02 | kevinO | ok it will take me a minute |
| 15:21.06 | amphi | Azar: what do you mean, 'taken'? the code they 'took' is still available, the only difference is they can build on it and distribute, without making src available |
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| 15:21.08 | themill | stew: copying for your own use or for backup purposes does not require you to accept the gpl. |
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| 15:21.14 | wols_ | got a question about nvidia 100.14 drivers in from sid in etch: they need a libc6 2.5.5. is this deliberate? nvidia settings works fine with etch libc6 |
| 15:21.19 | stew | themill: based on what? fair use? |
| 15:21.32 | wols_ | and afaik the nvidia.com downloaded drivers on which the debian ones are based too. so why this dependency? |
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| 15:21.49 | themill | stew: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#PropagationNotConveying |
| 15:21.51 | wols_ | and more importanlty: how to edit it in the nvidiia-graphics-drve source file? |
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| 15:22.10 | Penix | Azar: in certain cases, obeying the rules involves importing GPL licensed code in to a BSD licensed project, which just causes more problems than the benefits gained from merging changes |
| 15:22.21 | Penix | Azar: ie. relicensing |
| 15:22.28 | rmaj | is tehere some comfortable tool to setup firewall (generate firewall script or soemthing)? |
| 15:22.48 | themill | stew: the only thing that the gpl regulates is giving binaries to other people. If there is no other person involved, then the gpl just gives you the right to do whatever you want with the code. |
| 15:22.55 | rmaj | should I by hand add a init.d call to stat firewall script or is there some existing method? |
| 15:22.56 | themill | rmaj: firestarter |
| 15:23.05 | Penix | but, anyway, there are plenty of wonderful articles floating around atm about all of this |
| 15:23.08 | Penix | time for bed... |
| 15:23.18 | Wyzard | aha: Copyright law (in the US at least) allows making an additional copy "provided that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner" |
| 15:23.34 | cast | night folks |
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| 15:23.37 | stew | themill: are you talking specifically about gpl3 now? |
| 15:23.37 | Wyzard | Thus, installation of software is allowed by copyright law, and doesn't require acceptance of the GPL (again, in the US at least) |
| 15:23.40 | hellop | can I just stick any script in my /etc/rc2.d directory? what should the permissions be? |
| 15:23.40 | Azar | BSD are upset at GPL because linux devs will not give them some codes (while they say they are ok to share theirs - true) because BSD then will re-licence some of the code as BSD then commercial companies will take it and lock it a way: is a vicious circle |
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| 15:23.47 | themill | stew: the same is true for gpl2. |
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| 15:24.03 | stew | themill: can you tell me which section of the gpl2 says that? |
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| 15:24.15 | softwork | i have a x64 system but x-fi drivers say is not 64 system! how i do? |
| 15:24.16 | amphi | Azar: they can't "lock it away", what are you raving about? |
| 15:24.40 | amphi | Azar: all the bsd licence allows is for them to distribute a derived work in binary only |
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| 15:24.48 | Azar | amphi: not BSD, some other parties benefiting from BSD works |
| 15:24.55 | hellop | Do I have to do anything special besides placing a script or link in /etc/rc2.d, to ensure that it runs on bootup? |
| 15:25.18 | amphi | Azar: yes, the bsd licence does not require them to release the source of derived works |
| 15:25.20 | stew | hellop: you have to ensure its name starts with 'S' |
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| 15:25.27 | stew | hellop: and that it is executable |
| 15:25.36 | Azar | amphi: yes right |
| 15:25.41 | amphi | Azar: that is not "locking away" any bsd-licensed code |
| 15:26.05 | softwork | i have a x64 system but x-fi drivers say is not 64 system! how i do? |
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| 15:26.12 | amphi | Azar: presumably people who use the bsd licence for their code do not have a problem with that |
| 15:26.17 | hellop | stew, thanks I got that. What about perms? the links are 777 isn't that bad? |
| 15:26.53 | stew | hellop: links are always 777, which is fine, becuase you still need permissions of the file they link to |
| 15:27.01 | jthomas | hello! One of our servers cannot fully boot due to some issue with the graphics (really just display, no X) being out of sync range. It boots properly with one monitor but not when connected to the KVM. Is there any way to set it differently so that it will boot and display properly? |
| 15:27.05 | softwork | how i force a install? |
| 15:27.09 | softwork | ./ |
| 15:27.14 | fluxdude | what are the security implications of allowing Gateway Ports in sshd_config? |
| 15:27.21 | hellop | stew, ok cool gotcha thanks |
| 15:27.32 | hellop | so, links 777 ok, scripts 777 bad |
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| 15:27.48 | Azar | amphi: the short version of what I am understanding is: bsd licence is not compatible with the gpl licence because it does not require from the end-user to share the code and derived work from it with anyone |
| 15:28.01 | fluxdude | I have someone who wants to open a port tunnel back to his own machine doing something like ssh user@tunnelmachine -R port:localhost:port |
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| 15:28.12 | stew | hellop: links are 777, nothing you can do about that, for files, 777 is always bad |
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| 15:28.28 | kevinO | Ronin: it seems all that i needed was to reboot after changing my /etc/host file, it works now |
| 15:28.40 | amphi | Azar: yes - the gpl is more restrictive than the bsd |
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| 15:29.04 | Ethan | hi |
| 15:29.16 | Ethan | I want to boot from my hard drive |
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| 15:29.34 | kevinO | turn it on |
| 15:29.42 | kevinO | :P |
| 15:29.50 | Azar | amphi: and thanks to the gpl, the free software movement has advanced so far that now we got AMD, DELL and IBM on its side... hardware, drivers start moving in our way, slowly but is a reality |
| 15:30.00 | jthomas | hello! One of our servers cannot fully boot due to some issue with the graphics (really just display, no X) being out of sync range. It boots properly with one monitor but not when connected to the KVM. Is there any way to set it differently so that it will boot and display properly? |
| 15:30.05 | Ethan | but I don't how to download the files :p |
| 15:30.05 | Ethan | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 15:30.12 | hellop | jthomas, new kvm! |
| 15:30.16 | jthomas | lol |
| 15:30.22 | jthomas | it is new |
| 15:30.25 | kevinO | ethan what are you booting from now? |
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| 15:30.32 | Ethan | debian 3.0 |
| 15:30.40 | Ethan | withouth CD-drive |
| 15:30.43 | Azar | try Mach Boot :) |
| 15:30.45 | jthomas | and the monitor its connected to works WHEN I unplug the other one and plug the KVM in. But if I boot with KVM, it doesn't boot. |
| 15:30.48 | amphi | Azar: yes, I think it's tolerably obvious why corps would prefer to release code under the gpl rather than the bsd licence |
| 15:30.54 | kevinO | ethan are you booting from the hard drive? |
| 15:30.56 | hellop | jthomas, won't boot because of the video?? I don't think so |
| 15:31.08 | Ethan | the netboot doesn't recognize my ethernet card |
| 15:31.12 | Azar | amphi: huh? thats a new one for me.. :) |
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| 15:31.19 | Ethan | I am under a debian 3.0 (already installed) |
| 15:31.21 | jthomas | hellop: not sure since I cannot see it, but I cannot SSH into it when thats the setup. Nor ping it. |
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| 15:31.28 | Ethan | and I want to install the 4.0 |
| 15:31.28 | Azar | woody!! yay! |
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| 15:31.36 | Ronin | Ethan: you want to update on the machine you're on now? |
| 15:31.45 | jthomas | hellop: I *have* to boot with the seperate monitor, and then swap the conneciton. |
| 15:31.46 | amphi | Azar: I don't know about these corps being on "free software's side" - they are on their own sides ;) |
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| 15:31.58 | kevinO | ethan i dont know how to help man, try asking again |
| 15:32.02 | Ethan | I would rather like to have a clean install |
| 15:32.05 | Ethan | so no update |
| 15:32.11 | Azar | Ethan: did you tried modconf? see if your ethernet card is there? |
| 15:32.17 | hellop | jthomas, try going to bios with good monitor, then switch to bad, then boot linux. That will tell you if it's a linux issue, or a hardware issue like a short causing a MB lockup |
| 15:32.23 | kevinO | ethan, cant you just download the full disk? |
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| 15:32.39 | Azar | woody runs on almost all older machines |
| 15:32.39 | jthomas | Ethan: take the drive out, do a minimal install with the harddrive connected to a desktop, and then put it back in the laptop and continue |
| 15:32.49 | amphi | Azar: eh? it's obvious why the gpl is more appealing; releasing code under bsd would allow a competitor to junp start a derived work and give nothing back that could be used by the first corp |
| 15:33.04 | Ethan | jthomas: I would prefer not to |
| 15:33.08 | Azar | amphi: bingo! :) |
| 15:33.20 | Ethan | kevinO what do you mean ? |
| 15:33.20 | jthomas | Ethan: then... get a USB cdrom device |
| 15:33.29 | amphi | Azar: wtf? |
| 15:33.33 | themill | stew: s5 says that you are only required to accept the terms of the gpl if you distribute the program. See also paragraph 2 of s0 which says that "the act of running the Program is not restricted". See also the click-thru faq on the gpl the url of which was posted earlier. |
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| 15:33.42 | amphi | < Azar> amphi: huh? thats a new one for me.. :) |
| 15:33.45 | Azar | amphi: but then it comes back to bite his behind: it will be forced to share the derived work |
| 15:33.47 | Ethan | the usb drive won't e recongized.... |
| 15:34.07 | amphi | Azar: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 15:34.07 | jthomas | Ethan: can you do a minimal install of sorts from floppy? |
| 15:34.13 | Azar | Ethan: yeah woody don't do usb, alas |
| 15:34.17 | jthomas | Ethan: can you do a network boot? |
| 15:34.22 | stew | themill: where does it say i can make copies myself? |
| 15:34.33 | Ethan | like I said the netboot doesn't know my card.... |
| 15:34.38 | kevinO | ethan says the netinst cd wond recognize his nic card |
| 15:34.43 | stew | themill: the faq has no legal weight |
| 15:34.53 | hellop | jthomas, or just, just see if the computer can POST with the kvm... if not then you can't change no settings in linux to fix it |
| 15:34.55 | kevinO | lol |
| 15:34.56 | Azar | amphi: what I am saying is that corps are still hesitant of using GPLed works since they don't fully understand what the legal issue is coming from the licence |
| 15:35.02 | Darkclaw55 | I am looking for someone to get me a backup script going. I can pay with paypal. Send a message if youre interested. |
| 15:35.10 | simmerz|work | aptitude purge apache will only delete config files, not everything in /var/www right? |
| 15:35.13 | jthomas | hellop: I can get to Grub with KVM, POST etc all that |
| 15:35.16 | themill | stew: I know that, but it had been prepared by people who actually do know what they are talking about... |
| 15:35.24 | Ethan | i did the modconf |
| 15:35.34 | Ethan | and SMC Ultra Support is installed |
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| 15:35.42 | amphi | Azar: you say this on the basis of what? talking with corporate legal departments? |
| 15:35.46 | Ethan | only that |
| 15:35.49 | Azar | Ethan: did you find any module for your ethernet? is yours a laptop? |
| 15:36.03 | Ethan | so that must be the driver/module for my ethernet |
| 15:36.11 | kevinO | Darkclaw55: i will find someone to do if for 600 dollars :) |
| 15:36.18 | Azar | Ethan: then you maybe did not configure your interfaces correctly |
| 15:36.19 | Ethan | no a very old computer not a laptop |
| 15:36.23 | kevinO | j/k |
| 15:36.29 | stew | themill: who? |
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| 15:36.51 | Ethan | under my old already installed debian 3.0 all works fine |
| 15:36.58 | Ethan | but not on the netboot |
| 15:37.11 | Ethan | and I can't configure during the netboot... |
| 15:37.19 | Azar | Ethan: your ethernet happens to be a rtl ? |
| 15:37.23 | Ethan | (I am not sure I will ba ble anyway) |
| 15:37.27 | Ethan | rtl? |
| 15:38.07 | Azar | Ethan: well, if your ethernet driver is installed, and you don't have a connection, means you did not configure your DNS and interfaces fields properly |
| 15:38.16 | Ethan | I have |
| 15:38.21 | Ethan | a connection |
| 15:38.33 | Ethan | but not when booting with the netboot |
| 15:38.41 | Azar | then try linx >> go to yahoo or google see if you get something |
| 15:38.43 | softwork | i use debian x64 but i get this error /usr/include/asm/rwsem.h:8:3: error: #error This header is not available for x86_64 |
| 15:38.46 | softwork | ? |
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| 15:39.51 | kevinO | ethan have you installed the netinst cd? |
| 15:40.08 | kevinO | are the netboot and netinst cd the same? |
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| 15:40.46 | jthomas | Ethan: can you add a different network card? I have a little LinkSys USB-to-RJ45 (network jack) that is recognized under Etch, makes my laptops have ethernet |
| 15:42.03 | hellop | How can I figure out what is causing dhclient to run on boot? |
| 15:42.17 | hellop | it's not in my rc scripts |
| 15:42.21 | wols_ | hellop: your /etc/network/interfaces ist |
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| 15:43.04 | jthomas | hellop: My monitor (with KVM setup) goes out when the kernel is displaying the message: "radeonfb: Found Intel x86 BIOS ROM Image" or maybe "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 120x33" or somewhere in there. So I can initially read the monitor but it goes dark early in the boot process. |
| 15:43.33 | Ethan | I don't have the CD-drive.... |
| 15:43.34 | sepski | jthomas, it probably dont like your framebuffer resolution, |
| 15:43.52 | jthomas | sepski: ok, how would I change that? |
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| 15:44.42 | sepski | jthomas, iirc it's vga=$value in the boot |
| 15:44.47 | sepski | or nofb to turn it off |
| 15:44.56 | jthomas | hmm ok |
| 15:44.57 | sepski | but it should be very well documented on google |
| 15:45.18 | jthomas | where would I find info to learn which the $value should be? |
| 15:45.33 | sepski | jthomas, i would have to google for it. |
| 15:45.42 | jthomas | i can |
| 15:45.43 | sepski | jthomas, even tho i have seen it 10 times i still have to google for it :P |
| 15:45.45 | jthomas | but what terms? |
| 15:45.54 | jthomas | dell 860 frambuffer ? |
| 15:46.00 | hellop | wols, thanks I am now statically assigned |
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| 15:46.27 | sepski | "framebuffer resolution vga" or something like that |
| 15:46.33 | hellop | jthomas, yeah.. |
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| 15:46.45 | wiedenmann | how can I see wheter I use usb 2.0 or 1.1 with my usb stick? |
| 15:46.47 | jthomas | k thanks guys |
| 15:46.51 | hellop | jthomas, are you trying to run at 120x33 characters? |
| 15:46.57 | jthomas | no idea |
| 15:47.02 | sepski | wiedenmann, i think dmesg after you plug it in , |
| 15:47.12 | jthomas | it was rsynced from another machine, which does boot with this KVM setup fine |
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| 15:48.09 | wiedenmann | sepski: Vendor: TrekStor Model: USB MASS STORAGE Rev: 1.00 doesnt look like it mentioned it anywhere |
| 15:48.16 | jthomas | hellop: where would I look for that information? |
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| 15:49.22 | sepski | wiedenmann, i usualy see something like high speed usb device $n connected at $address something or the oter |
| 15:49.29 | sepski | before what you stated |
| 15:49.30 | kittonian | hi all. i'm having a major problem here. i'm getting massive kernel panics whenever i try to copy a file off of one of the hard drives. it's a 2.4gb file and i need to back this up so I can work on this issue. i've already compiled a new kernel but that didn't seem to help |
| 15:50.03 | wols_ | kittonian: do you really mean a kernel panic? |
| 15:50.12 | wols_ | crash of the whole box? |
| 15:50.17 | kittonian | my thought was to backup this file and then tar up the entire contents of that drive, put that tarball on another drive and then completely erase the hard drive that's having issues and then put everything back on |
| 15:50.36 | kittonian | wols_, yes, I really mean a kernel panic. as in stalling teh entire machine with a message that says kernel panic |
| 15:50.51 | wols_ | you sure it's not a broken harddisk? checked with smartmontools? |
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| 15:51.02 | Ethan | back to my first question, how can I boot from the hardrive ? |
| 15:51.21 | Ethan | I need to get some files but the doumentation doesn't tell where they are located... |
| 15:51.25 | jthomas | Ethan: you cannot boot from the harddrive if you want to replace its data. You'll need to boot from something else. |
| 15:51.26 | hellop | jthomas, it here's a link http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-setup@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu/msg01357.html |
| 15:51.27 | kittonian | wols_, it's certainly possible the hard drive is bad, that's why I'm trying to back things up |
| 15:51.32 | en1gma | i installed open office but i dont see the greeting card creator app |
| 15:51.35 | en1gma | whats it called |
| 15:51.43 | hellop | Does your KVM not support 1024/768? |
| 15:51.45 | jthomas | en1gma: there isn't one |
| 15:51.58 | en1gma | abortman told me there was one |
| 15:51.59 | sepski | kittonian, in those cases i usualy boot a livecd. |
| 15:52.04 | jthomas | hellop: not sure. where would i look in the original install for this info? |
| 15:52.05 | wiedenmann | sepski: http://paste.debian.net/37979 |
| 15:52.16 | jthomas | hellop: it certainly does support that tho |
| 15:52.29 | en1gma | jthomas do you know of any app for linux that can let my mom create greeting cards easily |
| 15:52.49 | kittonian | sepski, how would that help? |
| 15:52.49 | hellop | jthomas, so.. you only run in console mode on the server right? |
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| 15:52.56 | Ethan | jthomas: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 15:53.02 | Ethan | wouldn't be a solution |
| 15:53.03 | jthomas | en1gma: nope, its holding my mom back also. There is KreetingKard I think, but its japanses or something and I was unable to figure it out. |
| 15:53.03 | Ethan | ? |
| 15:53.09 | Ethan | using grub on my machine ? |
| 15:53.13 | jthomas | hellop: on this server, yes. |
| 15:53.18 | en1gma | :) |
| 15:53.39 | en1gma | maybe ill just install wine and it will load the hp greeting card cd app |
| 15:53.48 | jthomas | try it and let us know |
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| 15:54.23 | jthomas | en1gma: http://de.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17869&forumpage=2&PHPSESSID=084791f7b6123c513b2110c0bada6919 |
| 15:54.39 | hellop | en1gma, greeting cards: Open Office writer |
| 15:55.12 | softwork | how i use gcc 3.4 for default? |
| 15:55.28 | jthomas | en1gma: or this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17869 |
| 15:55.30 | themill | softwork: you have to change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink |
| 15:55.33 | jthomas | same app tho |
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| 15:55.55 | en1gma | hellop does it have templates already |
| 15:55.57 | themill | softwork: if your makefile supports it, CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 might work |
| 15:56.11 | stew | softwork: don't change that symlink, use the CC environment variable |
| 15:56.22 | simmerz|work | aptitude purge apache will only delete config files, not everything in /var/www right? |
| 15:56.23 | GmLB | Anyone know how to change the stack size in the compile options for a modern kernel??ee |
| 15:56.26 | themill | stew: that only works if the makefile supports if |
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| 15:56.29 | themill | it* |
| 15:56.30 | stew | themill: yes |
| 15:56.31 | hellop | en1gma, I dunno, but you could make some and release them on sourceforge. |
| 15:56.37 | softwork | is to compile binary x-fi driver |
| 15:56.38 | themill | stew: and many don't... |
| 15:56.49 | softwork | i need gcc < 4.0 |
| 15:57.02 | stew | themill: and if it doesn't, the makefile should be fixed |
| 15:57.17 | PSyKo | may someone help me to boot on a pcmcia cd drive? |
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| 15:57.25 | themill | softwork: actually... sorry.. don't change the symlink in /usr/bin, symlink it into /usr/local/bin/ and change your path. |
| 15:57.35 | stew | softwork: don't change the symlink |
| 15:57.56 | themill | softwork: (that's the maintainers recommended way, you could also link into $HOME/bin and change $PATH) |
| 15:58.05 | stew | themill: which maintainer? |
| 15:58.12 | themill | stew: the gcc maintainer. |
| 15:58.28 | themill | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=119952 |
| 15:58.33 | softwork | ok thx |
| 15:58.41 | en1gma | that kreeting card looks good but it japaneese |
| 15:58.42 | en1gma | lol |
| 15:58.50 | themill | softwork: or fix the makefile.. but that's not always that easy ;) |
| 15:58.50 | en1gma | ok got wine installed 1 min |
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| 15:59.40 | stew | themill: where can i read this recommendation? |
| 15:59.45 | jthomas | en1gma: if you google for it, there are some tutorials. if your mom is willing to learn a bit. the app has english menus etc. |
| 15:59.58 | HardDisk_WP | how do I repack a unpacked .deb archive? |
| 16:00.20 | themill | stew: in that bug report |
| 16:00.20 | stew | softwork: don't make a new symlink, use the CC environment variable |
| 16:00.37 | stew | themill: where in there does it recommend making a /usr/local/bin/gcc? |
| 16:00.37 | softwork | is binary file how i do? |
| 16:00.54 | stew | softwork: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 16:01.17 | themill | stew: the question was how to change the *default* compiler. |
| 16:01.33 | dondelelcaro | themill: you generally don't want to change the default compiler. |
| 16:01.35 | hellop | PSyKo, just like booting on a regular CD drive if your bios supports it. |
| 16:01.40 | stew | themill: and the answer to that question is "you don't want to change the default compiler" |
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| 16:01.57 | softwork | tar: XFiDrv_Linux_US-1.04: time stamp 2009-09-20 07:31:00 is 62692166.866137 s in the future |
| 16:01.57 | softwork | /opt/Creative/XFiDrv_Linux_US-1.04 |
| 16:01.57 | softwork | checking for gcc... no |
| 16:01.59 | themill | dondelelcaro, stew: true. |
| 16:02.07 | softwork | dont detect, i have 3.4 installed |
| 16:02.11 | softwork | gcc 3.4 |
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| 16:02.19 | dondelelcaro | softwork: uh... it's 2007, not 2009. |
| 16:02.27 | themill | :) |
| 16:02.32 | wwallace | hello to all i have installed doom3-demo |
| 16:02.40 | dondelelcaro | softwork: so whatever tarball that is is kind of broken. |
| 16:02.41 | wwallace | but im doing doom3-demo |
| 16:02.41 | softwork | 2009? |
| 16:02.44 | wwallace | nothing happenes |
| 16:02.49 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: creative is a VERY futuristic company |
| 16:02.50 | hellop | dondelelcaro, he live overseas you insensitive clod |
| 16:02.50 | PSyKo | hellop, i cant |
| 16:02.56 | stew | wwallace: in kanotix? |
| 16:02.59 | PSyKo | hellop, i got only a pcmia cd drive |
| 16:03.00 | wwallace | yes |
| 16:03.02 | wwallace | stew |
| 16:03.05 | stew | wwallace: please go to #kanotic |
| 16:03.09 | stew | err #kanotix |
| 16:03.15 | jthomas | wwallace: what if you (at a console/terminal) type doom[tab][tab] ? |
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| 16:03.19 | wwallace | oh shit i forgot this is the #debia |
| 16:03.25 | jthomas | [tab] means hit the [tab] key |
| 16:03.29 | wwallace | i did that |
| 16:03.34 | jthomas | and it filled in? |
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| 16:04.25 | wwallace | wwilliam@MP3J:~$ doom3/ |
| 16:04.25 | wwallace | bash: doom3/: is a directory |
| 16:04.25 | wwallace | wwilliam@MP3J:~$ |
| 16:04.30 | stew | wwallace: jthomas: please take it to #kanotix |
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| 16:04.36 | irule | I added bacula-dir 9101/tcp to a /etc/services and lsof does not see etch listening, I must not reboot, how can I restart something so that it start listening? thanks |
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| 16:04.54 | hellop | PSyKo, if your bios doesn't support PCMCIA booting, then you will have to boot to something else, like a floppy or network boot, then load PCMCIA drivers. |
| 16:05.04 | jthomas | wwallace: sorry i cannot do that |
| 16:05.11 | wwallace | ok thanks |
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| 16:05.28 | jthomas | i don't know more, maybe try #kanotix i guess |
| 16:05.33 | rokra | PLease someone can help me , I have this error : /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:05.52 | wols_ | rokra: /msg dpkg b.e |
| 16:05.55 | amphi | rokra: install build-essential |
| 16:05.56 | wols_ | rokra: /msg dpkg b-e |
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| 16:06.26 | rokra | amphi: ok thx |
| 16:06.44 | Nuyi | hi all |
| 16:07.07 | PSyKo | hellop, i got only floppy bootable |
| 16:07.19 | PSyKo | hellop, but, i dont found a pcmia floppy boot |
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| 16:07.33 | PSyKo | hellop, smart boot manager cant boot on it |
| 16:08.20 | hellop | PSyKo keep googling for: floppy boot pcmcia linux |
| 16:08.36 | PSyKo | i search from ~24hours |
| 16:08.40 | PSyKo | i dont found anything |
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| 16:08.57 | hellop | I've seen it done |
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| 16:09.38 | PSyKo | i got not webcard hellop |
| 16:09.51 | hellop | webcard? |
| 16:10.11 | PSyKo | netword card hellop |
| 16:10.14 | cyber_brain_mfkg | !mirrors |
| 16:10.14 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 16:11.43 | hellop | PSyKo, I was searching for 2 seconds, and I found 731,000 for linux boot pcmcia floppy drivers. Weird how you found nothing. |
| 16:12.11 | merc_work | may i ask for a quick FTPD recommendation from you fine folks? |
| 16:12.21 | jthomas | en1gma: i just installed KreetingKard 0.6.2 on my Kubuntu Feisty, its pretty nice. Default templates suck tho. |
| 16:12.32 | wols_ | !ftpd |
| 16:12.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftpd is the daemon that speaks the FTP protocol. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it), wu-ftpd (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq lately), and proftpd which is somewhere in between |
| 16:12.51 | PSyKo | i dont found nything whos correct |
| 16:13.09 | merc_work | seems proftpd would be the way to go then...thanks wols_ :) |
| 16:13.17 | wols_ | merc_work: that's outdated unfrotunately. vsftpd, proftpd or pure-ftpd. thos are your main choices |
| 16:13.24 | merc_work | ahh |
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| 16:13.45 | merc_work | ill just google them and see which i like best :) |
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| 16:14.05 | merc_work | unless anyone else has a favorite? |
| 16:14.05 | maxdoubt | does hping3 support ping scanning a subnet like nmap? |
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| 16:14.28 | hellop | PSyKo, that sux. |
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| 16:14.52 | PSyKo | hellop, so..? |
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| 16:15.58 | jthomas | vsftpd allows for easily jailed logins. |
| 16:16.15 | jthomas | merc_work: ^^ |
| 16:17.10 | faemir | Can someone tell me why iceweasel is failing to load? it's kind of a problem... |
| 16:17.20 | merc_work | word, thanks jthomas |
| 16:17.26 | Ronin | faemir: log files |
| 16:17.37 | faemir | oh wait, terminal is chucking out an error |
| 16:18.13 | faemir | Ronin: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gnomebreakpad": libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Segmentation fault |
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| 16:19.35 | hellop | faemir, you need gnomebreakpad! |
| 16:19.49 | hellop | That'll be $40. |
| 16:19.56 | faemir | ;_; |
| 16:20.16 | faemir | will an ipod do? XD |
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| 16:25.20 | kenjy | guys I can't remove a package with apt-get remove --purge nginx :S can you help me please? |
| 16:25.21 | kenjy | http://rafb.net/p/DTBsrX30.html |
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| 16:25.32 | macsim | hi, anybody know where I can found documentation about courrier-imap-ssl and multi domains ? |
| 16:25.45 | jthomas | what path do i follow to find package lists, in a web browser, for Debian? |
| 16:25.53 | macsim | kenjy: try aptitude purge yourpackage |
| 16:25.54 | softwork | where is alsa includes? |
| 16:25.58 | softwork | i dont find |
| 16:26.25 | wols_ | !tell softwork about alsa install |
| 16:26.54 | kenjy | macsim: the same problem :S |
| 16:26.55 | wols_ | macsim: it's "courier". google for that and you might find something |
| 16:26.56 | stew | jthomas: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 16:27.08 | kenjy | macsim: |
| 16:27.14 | kenjy | macsim: http://rafb.net/p/A2iJs688.html |
| 16:27.15 | jthomas | stew: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ ?? |
| 16:27.23 | macsim | wols_: yep courier-imap-ssl , but I just found documentation with 1 domain not for more |
| 16:27.26 | stew | kenjy: edit /etc/init.d/nginx ; make the second line read "exit 0" so that it will do nothing and return success |
| 16:27.45 | stew | jthomas: that is one way; i'm recommending another |
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| 16:27.49 | macsim | kenjy: try aptitude update&&aptitude purge nginx |
| 16:28.07 | jthomas | stew: but I am at a browser, not at a Debian box (on Kubuntu here) |
| 16:28.23 | jthomas | stew: but where to go from there to see the list or packages? |
| 16:28.27 | kenjy | tnks macsim it work with the exit 0 code |
| 16:28.37 | macsim | kenjy: good ;) |
| 16:28.41 | softwork | i get this error checking for built-in ALSA... no |
| 16:28.50 | stew | jthomas: the second link on the page is "view package lists" |
| 16:28.52 | cyber_brain_mfkg | how to add repositories to debian 4.0 etch??? |
| 16:29.06 | macsim | cyber_brain_mfkg: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:29.17 | jthomas | stew its not :( |
| 16:29.25 | stew | jthomas: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 16:29.35 | stew | !tell jthomas about pdo |
| 16:29.37 | cyber_brain_mfkg | macsim, where can i find list of active repositories? |
| 16:29.40 | jthomas | stew I am not on a Debian box to run that |
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| 16:29.50 | jthomas | !pdo |
| 16:29.50 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 16:29.52 | stew | jthomas: its a command to type into your irc client |
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| 16:30.07 | jthomas | aahh, thank you |
| 16:30.28 | themill | !tell cyber_brain_mfkg about mirrors |
| 16:30.48 | softwork | where is built-in alsa? |
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| 16:31.08 | softwork | i install alsa-utils |
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| 16:31.15 | stew | softwork: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound |
| 16:31.43 | stew | softwork: what do you mean by "built-in" alsa? |
| 16:31.44 | jthomas | aww man. I was hoping Etch had a newer release of that KreetingKard KDE app, but it doesn't have ANY release of it. |
| 16:31.57 | softwork | i get this error checking for built-in ALSA... no |
| 16:32.14 | stew | softwork: what are you doing when you get this error? |
| 16:32.49 | softwork | to install x-fi drivers i need |
| 16:32.52 | softwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.12 | softwork | i need alsa include directory? |
| 16:33.24 | peterS | softwork: sounds like you need the alsa library development package |
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| 16:33.37 | peterS | softwork: probably libasound2-dev |
| 16:34.00 | jthomas | how do i request a debian package to be included in the distro> |
| 16:34.01 | jthomas | ? |
| 16:34.11 | stew | jthomas: /msg dpkg RFP |
| 16:34.19 | peterS | jthomas: RFP ('request for packaging') - see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
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| 16:34.25 | softwork | thx |
| 16:34.32 | jthomas | :) thanks stew you're the bestest! |
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| 16:34.47 | peterS | jthomas: note, there are a lot of existing RFPs out there, most of us ignore them and just package what we personally care about |
| 16:34.56 | FastPutty | someone here, i got a quesiotn, how do you start openvpn with the configuration file? |
| 16:35.05 | FastPutty | i have nothing in the /etc/openvpn/ |
| 16:35.19 | jthomas | peterS: too bad i thought Debian was like the 'catch-all, everyman's every package' distro :( |
| 16:35.20 | softwork | i get error checking for built-in ALSA... no |
| 16:35.34 | SlayerXP | FastPutty: most people would start by reading the documentation, which contains example configurations |
| 16:35.46 | themill | jthomas: best thing is to start work on a package yourself and talk to debian-mentors about getting it good enough to go into debian. |
| 16:35.48 | stew | softwork: did you install libasound2-dev? |
| 16:35.52 | peterS | jthomas: yes it is, _if_ you are willing to do the work to produce a good package. if not, you are at the mercy of someone else deciding to do it |
| 16:35.52 | softwork | yes |
| 16:36.04 | peterS | jthomas: you can help convince someone else to do this work for you by, for example, paying them a salary |
| 16:36.06 | jthomas | hmmm |
| 16:36.11 | jthomas | lol |
| 16:36.24 | stew | softwork: how did you invoke ./installer this time? |
| 16:36.26 | Ronin | or buy them beer jthomas |
| 16:36.33 | FastPutty | SlayerXP: i hav it configurated, but i strat the server with openvpn --port --dev --uifconfig |
| 16:36.37 | jthomas | Ronin: where do we meet? |
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| 16:36.49 | softwork | no i use ./installer |
| 16:37.02 | softwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.32 | softwork | how i put in <alsa_include_directory> ? |
| 16:37.37 | SlayerXP | FastPutty: there's no such words as "configurated" or "strat" |
| 16:37.43 | SlayerXP | or "hav" for that matter |
| 16:37.46 | fluxdude | arg, I'm booting Knoppix 5.1.1 with 1 sata disk but I get "port is slow to respond" and "failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error,...)" stuff |
| 16:37.47 | peterS | softwork: should be automatically detected by most software. debian uses standard locations for this stuff. |
| 16:37.59 | stew | softwork: try just "./installer" and if that doesn't work, try "./installer --with-alsainc=/usr" |
| 16:37.59 | jthomas | anyone know a good **beginners** guide to Perl? |
| 16:38.10 | peterS | jthomas: "Learning Perl", published by ORA |
| 16:38.11 | SlayerXP | fluxdude: and the reason you're asking knoppix questions in the debian help channel is......? |
| 16:38.18 | SlayerXP | jthomas: Learning Perl on O'Reilly press |
| 16:38.27 | Alaric` | Quickie question here, folks: Is it feasible to create a netinst CD with a custom kernel on it, without having a working Debian install around to build it? Can I just compile a new kernel and replace the kernel on the CD image with the new kernel, not changing anything else? |
| 16:38.31 | FastPutty | SlayerXP: it a simple quesiton, if you dont know how to answer you dont need to give opinion |
| 16:38.34 | jthomas | peterS: thats my plan, just wondering if there were other suggestions |
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| 16:38.39 | fluxdude | arg, I'm booting Knoppix 5.1.1 with 1 sata disk but I get "port is slow to respond" and "failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error,...)" stuff |
| 16:38.50 | themill | jthomas: my wife said that this one was good: http://docs.rinet.ru/P7/ |
| 16:39.00 | jthomas | thanks themill |
| 16:39.02 | peterS | fluxdude: right, and this is #debian, not #knoppix |
| 16:39.06 | SlayerXP | FastPutty: no, it's not a simple question. you have provided us with _zero_ useful information to help you debug the problem you're having. |
| 16:39.07 | stew | fluxdude: please go to #knoppix for help with knoppix |
| 16:39.15 | softwork | stew: dont work |
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| 16:39.45 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 16:39.45 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:39.59 | stew | softwork: try /usr/include/alsa then |
| 16:40.08 | fluxdude | stew: ok, but generic linuxy stuff dude |
| 16:40.16 | stew | fluxdude: ##linux then |
| 16:40.58 | stew | fluxdude: so you do have a openvpn conf file? or not? |
| 16:41.03 | stew | FastPutty: ^^^ |
| 16:41.06 | stew | fluxdude: not you |
| 16:41.18 | FastPutty | stew: sap |
| 16:41.26 | stew | FastPutty: what? |
| 16:41.33 | FastPutty | stew: i have the config file tat i made :o |
| 16:41.43 | FastPutty | stew: i created one in /etc/openvpn/ |
| 16:41.49 | FastPutty | stew: it do not have one by default which is weird |
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| 16:42.00 | FastPutty | stew: i can find one in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/openssl.cnf |
| 16:42.09 | FastPutty | stew: oops its ssl sorry worng conf |
| 16:42.18 | cyber_brain_mfkg | how to add mirror in sources.list? |
| 16:42.23 | stew | FastPutty: it couldn't create one by default, since it wouldnt' know the path to your certs |
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| 16:42.35 | SlayerXP | cyber_brain_mfkg: using a text editor would be your best bet |
| 16:42.35 | stew | cyber_brain_mfkg: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:42.45 | stew | FastPutty: so your question is simply how to start it? |
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| 16:43.04 | mike^^ | how can i donate via paypal? :> |
| 16:43.07 | FastPutty | stew: i was able to launch openvpn in cleared text with openvpn command, but it cannot read the conf i wrote |
| 16:43.10 | cyber_brain_mfkg | SlayerXP, stew -- is there some syntax i should follow? |
| 16:43.14 | FastPutty | stew: is there a way to make it read it? |
| 16:43.18 | stew | cyber_brain_mfkg: man sources.list |
| 16:43.20 | abrotman | mike^^: donate to what ? |
| 16:43.29 | Alaric` | hm. think I have a new method to try. |
| 16:43.29 | stew | FastPutty: what makes you say "it cannot read the conf"? |
| 16:43.31 | FastPutty | stew: i have all certification/key shared |
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| 16:43.57 | mike^^ | abrotman, debian |
| 16:44.08 | FastPutty | i have the dh keys/dh512.pem whcih suposed to be the encryption |
| 16:44.08 | abrotman | !spi |
| 16:44.09 | dpkg | i guess spi is Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 16:44.16 | FastPutty | stew; but it sitll has no encryption when i start it |
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| 16:44.26 | zorro | « Un saluto a tutto il canale! » |
| 16:44.30 | mike^^ | i tried looking but there was no easy to copy and paste mail |
| 16:44.35 | stew | mike^^: http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
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| 16:46.31 | merc_work | anyone ever get the warning that root .bash_history file size is zero from chkrootkit? |
| 16:48.07 | FastPutty | stew: got any solution to my problem |
| 16:48.11 | stew | FastPutty: what makes you say "it cannot read the conf"? |
| 16:48.25 | FastPutty | because it ignore a lot of my parameter set i nthe conf |
| 16:48.32 | FastPutty | that the reason im sure openvpn do not read it |
| 16:48.32 | stew | FastPutty: like what? |
| 16:48.45 | FastPutty | my encrption /certiication / dev |
| 16:48.59 | stew | FastPutty: which encryption setting is being ignored? |
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| 16:49.17 | stew | FastPutty: there is another config file that it is reading instead? |
| 16:49.31 | mike^^ | stew. thanks |
| 16:49.40 | mike^^ | abrotman t00 |
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| 16:49.55 | FastPutty | when i use "openvpn --port 8147 --dev tun0 --ifconfig 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.2 --cmop-lzo verb5 |
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| 16:50.02 | twotwo | hey, what's wrong with this: tar --no-recursion --ignore-case --no-wildcards-match-slash -cf - -C '/home/mamador/public_html/fotos/matriculas' *.jpg |
| 16:50.11 | FastPutty | it use a cleared text (no encryption) |
| 16:50.36 | FastPutty | i tried to use the encryption with SSL |
| 16:50.44 | FastPutty | so i have all certifiacate, and key |
| 16:50.46 | FastPutty | shared on both server |
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| 16:51.04 | FastPutty | i put the .cnf in the /etc/openvpn/ |
| 16:51.10 | mike^^ | i'll try it when i get payed |
| 16:51.16 | stew | FastPutty: make sure /etc/default/openvpn has "AUTOSTART=all" then run /etc/init.d/openvpn start |
| 16:51.32 | stew | FastPutty: name it .conf, not .cnf |
| 16:52.02 | FastPutty | my file named: openvpn-ssl.cnf |
| 16:52.05 | FastPutty | is that normal? |
| 16:52.08 | stew | FastPutty: no |
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| 16:53.32 | jellynet | I setup software raid and LVM on debian installer, then when it rebooted I got an error that it cannot read from / |
| 16:53.37 | jellynet | a grub error.. |
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| 16:53.54 | petemc | jellynet: did you let the debian installer set it up, or did you do it manually? |
| 16:54.04 | FastPutty | stew: isnt it suposed to have a file name: server.conf? |
| 16:54.11 | SlayerXP | jellynet: do we have to guess what the grub error is? |
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| 16:54.46 | jellynet | petemc: manual in the installer. is there a way to do it automatically in the installer or is that what you meant? |
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| 16:55.44 | stew | FastPutty: it can be named anything as long as it ends in .conf |
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| 16:56.11 | jelly | !nickometer ArtIChoke |
| 16:56.12 | dpkg | 'ArtIChoke' is 8.000% lame, jelly |
| 16:56.17 | FastPutty | ok stew, thanks for the info |
| 16:56.40 | FastPutty | i will take a look at it. if anything happen, i will let you know |
| 16:56.50 | jellynet | jelly: your nick is remarkably similar to mine |
| 16:57.14 | jelly | jellynet: I was going to comment but couldn't think of a suitable pun |
| 16:57.21 | dkr | someone has a firm grasp of the obvious |
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| 16:58.26 | jellynet | jelly: mine is short for jellyfish though, i presume your the strawbery kind? |
| 16:58.34 | dkr | jelly ⊂ jellynet |
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| 16:59.14 | dkr | "your" is a completely different word from the phrase "you are" or its contraction, "you're" |
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| 17:00.01 | jelly | jellynet: the nickname's derived from my last name, but I'm not a stranger to the berries. |
| 17:00.33 | jelly | dkr: you know about UTF-8 and are not afraid to use it? |
| 17:00.33 | dkr | grape jelly > strawberry |
| 17:01.13 | dkr | jelly: the entire world should be using utf-8! |
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| 17:01.46 | jellynet | jelly: why? |
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| 17:02.33 | jelly | jellynet: sounds nicer than notjelly.net |
| 17:03.06 | jellynet | it seems to be taken btw |
| 17:03.14 | jelly | that it does. |
| 17:03.44 | jelly | no domain squatting for me today. |
| 17:04.12 | jellynet | i have my .com completely unabrevieated |
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| 17:05.33 | jelly | jellynet: jellynet.com or something different? |
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| 17:05.51 | jellynet | jelly: jellyfish network |
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| 17:08.01 | jelly | jelly: should be .edu, not com |
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| 17:08.10 | jelly | jellynet, even |
| 17:08.44 | jelly | jellynet: since basically a jellyfish network would be a school of jellyfish |
| 17:08.45 | jellynet | jelly: running an institution? |
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| 17:09.05 | jellynet | o lol.. mine is an seo company.. ish |
| 17:09.07 | jelly | ba-dam pssch |
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| 17:09.44 | johnz | hello. I had to delete my root partition and make a new one. Now I've copied over the backupped files to the new root partition. basically everything is ok again, besides one disturbing flaw: nautilus is now showing some "8.8 GB Volume" which is my root partition. the icon shows "not mounted" (it is mounted, of course). I guess that icon shouldnt be there at all (cuz there are also none for my other partitions). how do I get rid of it? |
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| 17:12.32 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 17:14.05 | FastPutty | stew; my vpn server work thanks for your help |
| 17:14.11 | dnanar | i'm trying to add plugins to iceweasel. /usr/bin/iceweasel is a link to /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel . in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ i have got all my plugins. I put the java library (.so) file into this directory, but: about:plugins does not show the new plugin (and the plugin does not work). |
| 17:14.13 | liri | it seems like there's a dead process which is in D mode (/proc/xxx/status says Disksleep) and it's locking a file which requires to be access. is it possible to somehow terminate the process or it's control over fd? I thought about maliciously deleting the /proc/xxx/fd/* nodes :) |
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| 17:16.01 | rswarbrick | Hello all! Does anyone know a program with which I can check what program is making my disk thrash? Top doesn't have that option - does something else? |
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| 17:16.27 | stew | rswarbrick: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 17:16.52 | aadil | rswarbrick, lsof? |
| 17:16.58 | dnanar | anyone has got an idea please ? |
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| 17:17.11 | geo-rge | !any ideas |
| 17:17.11 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen sex-crazed badgers. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:17.13 | stew | dnanar: is there some reason you aren't using the java package that debian provides? |
| 17:17.55 | themill | dnanar: for java and i386, you can use the package sun-java5-plugin from non-free |
| 17:17.56 | kittonian | seems as though i may have a bad hard drive on my hands, however everything seems to be fine with all the other server apps running on that drive except for zope. i am trying to simply copy a file called Data.fs which is just over 2.4gbs and i get a kernel panic around 1.5gbs copied which takes the whole system down. How can I copy this file properly and get it off this drive? |
| 17:17.59 | rswarbrick | stew, I'm not swapping - I'm running gkrellm and so I could see that already :( It's honest-to-god I/O! |
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| 17:18.57 | geo-rge | good thing the bad hd is on you hands instead of in your system! |
| 17:19.03 | dnanar | stew & themill : oh thanks i didn't see this package |
| 17:19.10 | muh2000 | i am getting these: "invalid port/service `ssh' specified" how can i fix that ? |
| 17:19.37 | stew | muh2000: when / where are you getting that? |
| 17:19.38 | dnanar | muh2000: modify ssh prt. |
| 17:19.40 | rswarbrick | aadil, Hmm. How would you use lsof to do that? |
| 17:19.41 | dnanar | port* |
| 17:19.42 | muh2000 | iptables stew |
| 17:19.52 | stew | muh2000: use '22' instead of 'ssh' |
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| 17:20.44 | muh2000 | stew: why doesnt it work anymore ? i used it before. another problem ping localhost resolves ping: unknown host localhost |
| 17:20.50 | aadil | rswarbrick, am not sure if lsof is right - what do u mean when u say thrash ur disk? |
| 17:20.55 | geo-rge | did you muck with your /etc/services? |
| 17:21.05 | madsara | Hey, how does one upgrade libc6, I'm getting this message: depends on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1) Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2? |
| 17:21.20 | stew | muh2000: does "getent services ssh" return 22/tcp? |
| 17:21.28 | madsara | I'm guessing I need to upgrade to a different profile, but any pointer would be good. |
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| 17:21.31 | geo-rge | !ur |
| 17:21.31 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 17:21.32 | themill | madsara: you don't without very good reason... what are you trying to do? |
| 17:21.34 | muh2000 | stew: no |
| 17:21.47 | madsara | Install aiccu |
| 17:21.49 | stew | muh2000: that is why. does /etc/services exist? |
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| 17:21.57 | rswarbrick | aadil, As in after I've been using system for ~20 minutes (it's a laptop) the disk starts being used really heavily and everything slows to a crawl including mouse etc. |
| 17:22.00 | abrotman | madsara: where did you get aiccu ? |
| 17:22.02 | dnanar | themill: well, i just installed sun-java5-plugin, but that didn't add the plugin to iceweasel. |
| 17:22.09 | muh2000 | stew: yes and ssh is written into that |
| 17:22.12 | nepbabu | wow, this mac isn't too bad |
| 17:22.16 | nepbabu | :) |
| 17:22.18 | rswarbrick | Nothing's swapping, so I can't work out what's causing it. :( |
| 17:22.19 | stew | muh2000: does /etc/nsswitch.conf exist? |
| 17:22.25 | madsara | From packages.debian.org, it's listed as unstable. |
| 17:22.30 | muh2000 | stew: yes |
| 17:22.32 | abrotman | madsara: don't do that .. ever |
| 17:22.33 | rswarbrick | I did wonder about firefox, but would like to be able to confirm |
| 17:22.40 | abrotman | !tell madsara about simple sid backport |
| 17:22.42 | geo-rge | rswarbrick: are you sure you're not swapping? |
| 17:22.48 | aadil | rswarbrick, use top to find to processes consuming cpu and memory (the 'i' option might help if am not mistaken) |
| 17:22.56 | stew | muh2000: what does nsswitch.conf have for "services:"? |
| 17:23.01 | aadil | then take the PID then use with lsof -np PID |
| 17:23.06 | dnanar | themill: it added libjavaplugin.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/, but it didn't add java support to iceweasel. |
| 17:23.08 | ConcealedOne | I'm an intermediate to advanced linux user, and I was wondering what the ups and downs to using debian as opposed to a redhat based distro for developer and day to day use |
| 17:23.12 | aadil | to find the files the process has opened rswarbrick |
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| 17:23.18 | muh2000 | stew: services: ldap [NOTFOUND=return] files |
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| 17:23.26 | madsara | Thanks abrotom |
| 17:23.33 | themill | dnanar: did you restart iceweasel? I'm not sure if that's needed or not. |
| 17:23.42 | dnanar | themill: yes i did |
| 17:23.59 | stew | muh2000: so i'd guess that it doesn't know about ssh becuase your ldap server doesn't know about ssh |
| 17:24.03 | rswarbrick | geo-rge, Yes. I'm sure - running top gave 0kb swap usage. |
| 17:24.03 | stew | muh2000: what does it have for "hosts:"? |
| 17:24.04 | ConcealedOne | can anyone tell me what makes debian a better choice (opinions welcomed) to other distros? |
| 17:24.10 | themill | dnanar: and it's not listed in about:plugins? |
| 17:24.14 | dnanar | no |
| 17:24.17 | rswarbrick | aadil, I was using in total about 2% CPU. :( |
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| 17:24.28 | rswarbrick | So that's not too much help. |
| 17:24.30 | muh2000 | stew: hosts: dns ldap |
| 17:24.38 | rswarbrick | :( |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 17:24.45 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 17:24.47 | en1gma | does adding 2 different atapi devices to an ide cable make the speed set to the slowest one? ex: primary master = ata66 hard drive and primary slave = pio cd-rom |
| 17:24.51 | themill | dnanar: hrm. that should be all that is required. Is there any other monkeying that you did? |
| 17:25.12 | aadil | rswarbrick, did u atleast try what i said? |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | en1gma: ask #hardware |
| 17:25.19 | dnanar | themill: mokeying ? |
| 17:25.23 | stew | muh2000: so you are ignoring /etc/hosts, and neither dns nor ldap coudl resolve "localhost" |
| 17:25.25 | en1gma | ok |
| 17:25.26 | geo-rge | en1gma: yeah, it'll take the speed of the cdrom most likely |
| 17:25.55 | themill | dnanar: you said that you had been trying a few different things before you used the debian package; did you undo those changes? |
| 17:26.05 | en1gma | i have so many different devices as far as the ata`s and pio`s its making it hard to figure what i need to go where |
| 17:26.06 | en1gma | loo |
| 17:26.10 | en1gma | lol* |
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| 17:26.18 | stew | is ldap even valid in nsswhitch.conf? it isn't in the manpage |
| 17:26.38 | muh2000 | stew: i have to add "file" to hosts ? |
| 17:26.45 | rswarbrick | aadil, As in the vmstat question? Yes, and the other suggestions would all tell whether I was swapping. |
| 17:26.50 | stew | muh2000: i would recommend putting it first |
| 17:27.02 | pickcoder | if I want to create a new module in a remote cvs repos, I use the import function. right? |
| 17:27.07 | dnanar | themill: yes |
| 17:27.09 | rswarbrick | And I'm pretty certain it wasn't. But thank you very much for the ideas. |
| 17:27.11 | rswarbrick | Hmm. |
| 17:27.19 | stew | muh2000: do any files named like /lib/libnss_ldap.so* exist? |
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| 17:27.27 | aadil | nm |
| 17:27.27 | themill | dnanar: check that /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so points to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so and that in turn points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 17:27.28 | aadil | pff |
| 17:27.45 | rswarbrick | Also, just killed firefox, octave and emacs on laptop. One of them was presumably responsible because everything's behaving nicely again. |
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| 17:28.02 | \amethyst | rswarbrick: out-of-memory? |
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| 17:28.14 | \amethyst | rswarbrick: or you killed them explicitly? |
| 17:28.22 | geo-rge | pickcoder: yes, and btw it would be a good thing if the remote cvs and all developers who contact it to update or import use ntp to keep their clock set |
| 17:28.22 | themill | rswarbrick: I'm not sure which of those I'd put my money on... |
| 17:28.22 | muh2000 | stew: no :( |
| 17:28.24 | rswarbrick | As in kill -s 15 |
| 17:28.39 | stew | muh2000: then putting "ldap" in /etc/nsswitch.conf isn't valid afaict |
| 17:28.46 | stew | muh2000: how did 'ldap' get in there? |
| 17:28.53 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 17:28.57 | rswarbrick | Yeah - I was guessing firefox, so I'm now running it nice 20. |
| 17:29.02 | pickcoder | so how do you specify an ext login with import |
| 17:29.08 | muh2000 | stew: i am trying to set it up ^^ where do i get the libnss_ldap from ? |
| 17:29.09 | rswarbrick | If something happens, at least I can kill it easily |
| 17:29.10 | pickcoder | I keep getting command line arg errors |
| 17:30.06 | stew | muh2000: /msg dpkg apt-file ; apt-file search libnss_ldap |
| 17:30.24 | geo-rge | same way you do with any cvs command... with cvs -d <repospec> <command> ... |
| 17:30.30 | pickcoder | erm |
| 17:30.47 | geo-rge | or put <repospec> in the env var CVSROOT |
| 17:31.01 | dnanar | themill: ok i'm checking |
| 17:31.05 | geo-rge | and |
| 17:31.10 | pickcoder | the cvs import function has -d as "use the file's modification time as the time of import" |
| 17:31.22 | pickcoder | I exported the vars already |
| 17:31.34 | geo-rge | if you're doing ssh, put "ssh" in CVS_RSH |
| 17:31.45 | themill | pickcoder: -d will have different meanings before and after the <command> |
| 17:31.55 | geo-rge | that would be cvs import -d ... |
| 17:31.59 | rswarbrick | Well thanks everyone for the ideas. Nothing's using the disk heavily now and all the apps are open... It's going to have to stay a mystery for a bit :( |
| 17:32.27 | geo-rge | but if you have CVSROOT and CVS_RSH set, it should work |
| 17:32.32 | stew | altering CVS_RSH should not be necessary |
| 17:32.33 | pickcoder | it doesn't |
| 17:32.40 | pickcoder | something is goofy here |
| 17:32.55 | themill | pickcoder: what do you have for CVSROOT? |
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| 17:32.57 | pickcoder | cvs import -d:ext:ryengoth@qmxml.cvs.sourceforget.net:/cvsroot/qmxml qmxml |
| 17:33.16 | geo-rge | umm |
| 17:33.16 | pickcoder | CVSROOT=/cvsroot/ |
| 17:33.25 | pickcoder | CVS_RSH=ssh |
| 17:33.36 | geo-rge | why not try this... |
| 17:33.41 | themill | pickcoder: ok, unset that CVSROOT and put the import *after* the -d ;) |
| 17:33.44 | stew | pickcoder: cvs -d:ext... import, not cvs import -d:ext... |
| 17:33.55 | pickcoder | hodl on |
| 17:33.59 | pickcoder | too many suggestions |
| 17:34.22 | themill | pickcoder: cvs commands are of the form "cvs option command option" and the same option will have different meanings on the left and right side. |
| 17:34.26 | stew | pickcoder: if -d comes after import it is the modification time option to import, if it comes before import it is the repository option to cvs |
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| 17:34.49 | themill | pickcoder: cvs is a pig like that. |
| 17:34.49 | pickcoder | themill: I either get Bad CVSROOT or command-line arg errors |
| 17:34.55 | geo-rge | export CVSROOT=":ext:ryengoth@qmxml.cvs.sourceforget.net:/cvsroot/qmxml" |
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| 17:35.32 | geo-rge | then you don't have to put the cvs -d:ext:... (command) (args) |
| 17:35.50 | geo-rge | you can just do cvs (command) (args) |
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| 17:36.25 | pickcoder | I have never had this problem before |
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| 17:36.41 | dnanar | themill: yes symbolic links does correspond |
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| 17:36.55 | geo-rge | but again the -d that specifies the repository goes RIGHT AFTER cvs and BEFORE the cvs command (like import)_ |
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| 17:38.14 | pickcoder | stupid vendor tag |
| 17:38.28 | geo-rge | that |
| 17:38.37 | geo-rge | s only for stupid vendors... |
| 17:38.52 | themill | dnanar: hmmph. That's all that should be needed. |
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| 17:39.21 | pickcoder | now I have duplicate source roots in the CVSROOT path |
| 17:39.33 | pickcoder | oh well.. that's SF for ya |
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| 17:40.28 | themill | dnanar: I can't think of anything else to check as that is literally all i've ever needed to do or tell people to do ;) |
| 17:40.29 | pickcoder | crap.. it imported the whole CWD |
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| 17:44.10 | Darkclaw55 | I am looking for someone to get me a backup script going. I can pay with paypal. Send a message if youre interested. |
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| 17:44.36 | petemc | Darkclaw55: dirvish is very easy to set up yourself |
| 17:44.44 | maxdoubt | what's a good room to ask questions about nmap, hping, fping, etc...? |
| 17:45.17 | User_FriendlY_ | petemc: lol, just take the money :P |
| 17:45.26 | User_FriendlY_ | if you know how its done |
| 17:45.34 | petemc | cba |
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| 17:51.00 | danieldg | How do you generate an empty package to enable dependency overrides? I want to pretend to have a specific package installed when I have a self-compiled version |
| 17:51.07 | danieldg | I know there's a package to do it, I just forgot the name |
| 17:51.22 | aadil | Darkclaw55, how much u willing to lose? and what's to backup? |
| 17:51.24 | \amethyst | danieldg: equivs |
| 17:51.24 | aadil | :3 |
| 17:52.39 | danieldg | thanks |
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| 17:53.42 | lrp | friends i need the original source from debian mirrors |
| 17:53.56 | lrp | to add to my apt list |
| 17:54.11 | lrp | !sources.list |
| 17:54.11 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 17:57.02 | jazbo2185 | What can I use to make 3d wireframe animations? |
| 17:57.52 | User_FriendlY_ | blender |
| 17:58.06 | jazbo2185 | User_FriendlY_: thanks |
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| 18:00.00 | dutchfish | hi, how can i open (or convert) ms publisher files? |
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| 18:00.36 | derjohn | if I build a deb with dpkg-buildpackage ... how is the "etch1" revsison added when buildting for r1 ? |
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| 18:03.58 | jeward | So I just upgraded from sarge to etch and the system hangs at: Starting portmap daemon.... |
| 18:04.44 | jeward | Does that mean I should have answered differently on the "bind portmp to the 127 subnet" question? |
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| 18:06.04 | _etched- | hiya |
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| 18:07.51 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:08.01 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 18:09.50 | _etched- | TrueDD: Salut! |
| 18:10.09 | TrueDD | Salut _etched- |
| 18:10.09 | jeward | The second ethernet card isn't being configured on reboot after upgrading from sarge to etch. Any ideas why? |
| 18:11.41 | jeward | There are no error messages in syslog... |
| 18:11.53 | jeward | The card is set to auto configure... |
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| 18:13.14 | derjohn | jeward, chipset? /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net .... ? |
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| 18:13.48 | jeward | Unless this is an error: eth1: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 18:14.27 | jeward | -bash: cd: /etc/udev/rules.d/: No such file or directory |
| 18:14.29 | softwork | i get this error /usr/include/asm/rwsem.h:8:3: #error This header is not available for x86_64 |
| 18:14.32 | softwork | what mean? |
| 18:14.38 | softwork | how i do? |
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| 18:14.54 | jeward | e1000: eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
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| 18:15.17 | jeward | derjohn: Same as eth0. |
| 18:15.54 | geo-rge | !tell softwork -about ask |
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| 18:16.32 | derjohn | jeward, you didnt install udev? might it be that you still use the sarge kernel and no udev? I would upgrdae the kernel and install udev |
| 18:16.54 | jeward | derjohn: Ah, maybe that's the problem. I did dist-upgrade. |
| 18:17.17 | jeward | derjohn: What kernel package do I need and will it automatically install udev? |
| 18:17.21 | geo-rge | so udev is good these days? |
| 18:17.22 | derjohn | jeward, IIRC that doesnt touch the kernel. apt get install that manually. |
| 18:17.43 | derjohn | geo-rge, well, IMVHO there is not much way around it. |
| 18:18.07 | derjohn | jeward, apt-cache search linux-image.... |
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| 18:18.43 | jeward | i kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PP |
| 18:18.43 | jeward | root@kw132:/var/log# uname -r |
| 18:18.43 | jeward | 2.6.8-4-686-smp |
| 18:18.52 | jeward | I need to reinstall it? |
| 18:19.09 | geo-rge | that would be an older kernel alright |
| 18:19.17 | jeward | Oh, what's the latest? |
| 18:19.28 | jeward | That's all I see in aptitude search|grep smp |
| 18:19.33 | geo-rge | .22? |
| 18:19.46 | geo-rge | .18? |
| 18:19.46 | jeward | 6.22? |
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| 18:20.13 | jeward | I wonder why I don't see those as being available? |
| 18:20.44 | geo-rge | if you were to grep ^deb /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l |
| 18:20.47 | geo-rge | what would it say |
| 18:21.10 | jeward | 5 |
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| 18:21.19 | jeward | We have our own mirror. |
| 18:21.35 | geo-rge | what's the first line? |
| 18:21.51 | derjohn | jeward, Etch has a 2.6.18-5 IIRC. |
| 18:21.57 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.03 | derjohn | jeward, kernel.org's stable is 2.6.22 |
| 18:22.16 | jeward | Is it possible our mirror doesn't have up to date kernels? |
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| 18:22.34 | jeward | Maybe our mirror is broken? |
| 18:22.45 | geo-rge | dunno |
| 18:22.46 | derjohn | jeward, if "apt-cache search 2.6.18" doesnt show you, then ypu apt-source is outdted. |
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| 18:22.59 | jeward | Okay, let me try that. |
| 18:23.02 | stew | jeward: don't grep for smp |
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| 18:23.23 | derjohn | stew, is right, the -smp is abandoned. |
| 18:23.24 | jeward | SO I don't install an smp kernel? |
| 18:23.27 | stew | jeward: all kernels >= 2.6.17 are smp enabled except for the -486 flavors (so any -686 kernel is smp) |
| 18:23.28 | jeward | Ah! |
| 18:23.34 | jeward | Well that's different! |
| 18:23.35 | geo-rge | do you have dual cpus or something |
| 18:23.44 | derjohn | jelly, to stew word listen you should ;) |
| 18:23.47 | jeward | Quad Xeons I think. |
| 18:23.59 | jeward | Let me see what I have without smp. |
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| 18:26.20 | jeward | What exactly should I search for? kernel-image? |
| 18:26.26 | FastPutty | smeone know why my openvpn syslog show me this message: VERIFY ERROR: depth=1, error=certificate is not yet valid.I have the certifiaction on both server |
| 18:26.27 | stew | jeward: linux-image |
| 18:26.31 | jeward | Check. |
| 18:26.39 | stew | jeward: they got renamed linux-image as of 2.6.12 since we have viable non-linux kernels now |
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| 18:27.27 | jeward | stew: Just install this one: linux-image-686 ? |
| 18:27.51 | stew | jeward: that would install whatever is the latest -686 image |
| 18:27.59 | FastPutty | hey stew need you little advice xD |
| 18:28.18 | jeward | MemTotal: 1035848 kB |
| 18:28.29 | jeward | I don't need bigmem, right? |
| 18:28.42 | abrotman | no |
| 18:28.46 | FastPutty | my syslog show that the handshake is failed, and i thikn it a problem with the certification. I have generate one in the server and share it with the client |
| 18:29.04 | jeward | Okay, let me install the latest kernel... Do I need to tell it to install udev, or will that come automagically? |
| 18:29.08 | stew | FastPutty: show us the output of "openssl x509 -in /path/to/cert -text" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:29.16 | jellynet | so I installed debian last night and tried to set it up with lvm and raid5. I put my /, /tmp, /var and swap on the lvm drives, and put /boot on a usbkey. When booting on grub, it looks like it loads the bzImage and initrd, but then when it goes to savedefault i get Error 29: Disk write error |
| 18:29.22 | wols_ | FastPutty: perhaps a timing error. e.g the cert is dated in the future. how did you create the certs? |
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| 18:29.44 | stew | jeward: the new kernel doesn't need udev. udev will however be installed automatically unless you try to prevent it |
| 18:29.45 | wols_ | FastPutty: you usually don't share. you create a cert for each |
| 18:29.49 | wols_ | a different one |
| 18:29.54 | wols_ | how did you create the cert(s) |
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| 18:30.23 | jeward | All I care about is eth1 coming up on reboot. :) |
| 18:30.37 | FastPutty | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48218 |
| 18:30.49 | geo-rge | jeward: in that case man 5 interfaces |
| 18:30.53 | jeward | New kernel installed, reboot in progress. |
| 18:31.02 | stew | FastPutty: change "/path/to/cert" to be the actual path to the cert in question |
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| 18:31.17 | jeward | geo-rge: It sopped coming up after the upgrade, someone suggested udev. |
| 18:31.23 | james__ | hey gusy - anything wrong with the non-Us mirrors? |
| 18:31.25 | FastPutty | where is the path exactly locate? |
| 18:31.28 | stew | jeward: there is a decent chance that udev will rename eth1 to something else upon reboot |
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| 18:31.35 | wols_ | FastPutty: where you put it |
| 18:31.37 | stew | james__: yes, they became obsolete years ago |
| 18:31.38 | FastPutty | oh ok |
| 18:31.39 | FastPutty | sorry |
| 18:31.44 | jeward | stew: Oh, that's bad maybe. |
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| 18:31.49 | geo-rge | jeward: well let |
| 18:31.51 | jeward | stew: Actually, maybe not. |
| 18:31.53 | stew | jeward: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 18:31.54 | geo-rge | us see what happens |
| 18:32.00 | james__ | stew: really i was using them in my apt sources last week :/ |
| 18:32.13 | james__ | Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/sarge/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 18:32.19 | stew | james__: you don't need them: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 18:32.20 | wols_ | james__: there once was a non-us.debian.org repo. stew means that |
| 18:32.22 | corey_ | Debian RULES |
| 18:32.30 | jetscreamer | there is no non-us |
| 18:32.31 | jeward | Still hangs here: Starting portmap daemon.... |
| 18:32.38 | jetscreamer | (anymore) |
| 18:32.39 | jelly | dpkg, who owns you? |
| 18:32.39 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 18:32.40 | wols_ | james__: use a different mirror |
| 18:32.46 | jeward | I can ^C and it comes on up, but eth1 wasn't coming up before. |
| 18:32.59 | corey_ | stew you know how I can validate dns servers? |
| 18:33.01 | valdyn | jeward: dpkg-reconfigure portmap, maybe |
| 18:33.03 | FastPutty | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48219 |
| 18:33.11 | james__ | i tried numerous mirrors... mostly uk but then, EU... seems a mirror update a few days ago nuked it :/ wondered if there was any official news |
| 18:33.18 | valdyn | jeward: no idea why its hanging exactly, binding to a non-existant network maybe |
| 18:33.43 | wols_ | Validity: Not Before: Sep 25 15:15:35 2007 GMT Not After : Sep 22 15:15:35 2017 GMT |
| 18:33.44 | jeward | Probably because the eth1 card isn't coming up? eth0 is the line before portmap. |
| 18:33.47 | wols_ | FastPutty: see the problem? |
| 18:33.50 | jelly | dondelelcaro: dpkg thinks it ought to accept regexps as argument to listkeys, but doing eg. "listkeys n.*smite" does not yield any results. compare "listkeys smite" |
| 18:34.01 | garo | what generates debian-menu.menu ? |
| 18:34.01 | jellynet | i guess i can try reinstalling |
| 18:34.03 | jeward | Configuring network interfaces...e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 10x |
| 18:34.03 | jeward | Starting portmap daemon.... |
| 18:34.09 | valdyn | jeward: look into 'ifconfig -a', what's there and what is not |
| 18:34.12 | jeward | Hangs there until I ^C. |
| 18:34.21 | stew | FastPutty: is the date/time/timezone correct on the machine giving you that error? |
| 18:34.24 | jeward | Okay, let me interrupt it. |
| 18:34.27 | wols_ | garo: menu does |
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| 18:34.32 | FastPutty | stew: oh lol |
| 18:34.38 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 18:34.43 | stew | corey_: what do you mean by validate? |
| 18:34.46 | james__ | so basically, its mysteriously gone :) |
| 18:34.49 | geo-rge | jeward: so eth0 is up... |
| 18:34.57 | robboplus | what kind of problem is it, when it says Begin: Waiting for root filesystem ? |
| 18:35.01 | jeward | Yes, but eth1 is not. |
| 18:35.12 | jelly | dondelelcaro: and more importantly, I need a smite to smite people who wrongly tabcomplete me. :-) |
| 18:35.18 | geo-rge | robboplus: "it"? |
| 18:35.18 | stew | james__: its not mysterious. it was planned, and you don't need it |
| 18:35.23 | wols_ | james__: ftp.de.debian.org works fine for me in unstable |
| 18:35.26 | jeward | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:35.31 | james__ | i was using sarge :P |
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| 18:35.37 | jeward | It's on the new kernel. |
| 18:35.39 | robboplus | geo-rge booting up a box and it just said that |
| 18:35.39 | wols_ | stew: he is not talking about the old non-us mirrors |
| 18:35.45 | james__ | i was just looking for news on the dbian site... |
| 18:35.51 | corey_ | stew I was using mirrors for debian and they would send me borked packages at public connections...I want to not waste the time anymore...it is like they are ghosting mirrors and sending me to them ;-) |
| 18:35.54 | valdyn | jeward: so which interfaces are listed in ifconfig -a ? |
| 18:35.54 | james__ | no i'm not talking about the old non-us mirrors |
| 18:35.55 | wols_ | stew: he simply talks abour mirrors outside the US |
| 18:36.19 | jeward | valdyn: eht0, eth1, lo, sit0 |
| 18:36.23 | geo-rge | !jellytabbysmite jelly |
| 18:36.25 | stew | wols_: he is talking about an old non-us mirror that he doesn't need |
| 18:36.39 | valdyn | jeward: and eth1 is not up? |
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| 18:36.48 | jeward | valdyn: Correct. |
| 18:36.53 | jelly | geo-rge: smitesmite would be appropriate here ;-) |
| 18:37.00 | valdyn | jeward: 'ifup eth1' gives what? |
| 18:37.05 | james__ | yeah http://debian.planetmirror.com/debian/dists/sarge/ doesn't ahve it too |
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| 18:37.14 | corey_ | stew maybe there is a ip list for mirrors somewhere? |
| 18:37.23 | jeward | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 18:37.23 | stew | james__: forget about non-US, its gone, you don't need it |
| 18:37.24 | james__ | basically is there any official news item or post as to why is was removed inly last week? |
| 18:37.29 | jeward | e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex |
| 18:37.30 | wols_ | james__: the debian-non-US stuff is LONG gone. far longer than last week. it's history and not needed anymore |
| 18:37.31 | jelly | geo-rge: sorry, smitessmite (not the same) |
| 18:37.32 | crn__ | help |
| 18:37.34 | valdyn | jeward: so fix your cabling |
| 18:37.41 | jeward | Cabling? |
| 18:37.49 | jeward | It works fine after I issue ifup. |
| 18:37.51 | james__ | stew: thanks i know, i was just looking for official info? |
| 18:38.00 | wols_ | !tell corey_ about mirrors |
| 18:38.00 | valdyn | jeward: oh ok |
| 18:38.01 | FastPutty | STew: working, it effectiyly was my time setting was wrong lol |
| 18:38.01 | geo-rge | ok, man 5 interfaces |
| 18:38.03 | jeward | :) |
| 18:38.03 | jelly | stew: actually, I can imagine needing non-us to upgrade old systems (say, woody) |
| 18:38.04 | geo-rge | like I said |
| 18:38.08 | FastPutty | stew: dumb me :o |
| 18:38.12 | james__ | jelly: hence my issue :P |
| 18:38.21 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:38.27 | wols_ | jelly: since everything in there is now in main, why would you? |
| 18:38.29 | jelly | stew: but it's totally gone... and archive.d.o doesn't have any archives |
| 18:38.40 | jelly | wols_: _to upgrade old systems_ |
| 18:38.44 | geo-rge | have you looked at your interfaces file? |
| 18:38.54 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.56 | corey_ | wols_ thats no help...I need there current ip's. |
| 18:38.56 | wols_ | old systems are upgraded to sarge where all the packages are in main. so why would you? |
| 18:39.02 | jelly | wols_: every now and then a potato user comes here |
| 18:39.09 | jelly | wols_: things like that |
| 18:39.12 | wols_ | corey_: ask the DNS server of your choice |
| 18:39.13 | valdyn | jeward: there's no guarantee that eth1 and eth0 are not reversed - that's something you should easily see though |
| 18:39.15 | jeward | auto eth1 |
| 18:39.23 | H4z3 | Guys, when i install apache2 it says it can't find apache2.conf, i thought apache2.conf came with apache2.common.. Anyone have any ideas on a way to reinstall with apache2.conf? |
| 18:39.28 | tarrybone | is there a channel specific to apt? i found #apt-get but its not active. apt stuff here or somewhere else? |
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| 18:39.40 | wols_ | !tell H4z3 about confmiss |
| 18:39.42 | jeward | valdyn: I can reach av.com, so the external link is on. |
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| 18:39.56 | wols_ | tarrybone: are you running debian or a debian based distro? |
| 18:39.57 | valdyn | jeward: eth1 is on dhcp? |
| 18:39.57 | jeward | valdyn: eth1 is on an internal net. |
| 18:40.04 | jeward | valdyn: Static. |
| 18:40.05 | wols_ | tarrybone: also look on oftc |
| 18:40.06 | corey_ | wols_ well I guess a more public dns might have correct info...was looking for a good public dns. Do you know one? |
| 18:40.11 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.13 | JasonF | Are there "security upgrades" for lenny? I know at one point there was a discussion of providing security patches for testing. |
| 18:40.15 | corey_ | wols_ in the states. |
| 18:40.16 | tarrybone | wols_: debian |
| 18:40.31 | valdyn | jeward: no reason why it should not come up then |
| 18:40.31 | wols_ | !tell JasonF about security |
| 18:40.35 | geo-rge | are you running the ipmasq package? |
| 18:40.35 | jelly | james__: if you're on sarge, you can just remove non-us from sources.list... it's ok. |
| 18:40.47 | amphi | corey_: opendns? |
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| 18:40.51 | valdyn | jeward: check dmesg if there is any hint at all |
| 18:40.53 | jeward | valdyn: Agreed, but it hasn't come up on the last four boxes I've upgraded. |
| 18:41.02 | jeward | valdyn: Okay, rechecking. |
| 18:41.03 | valdyn | jeward: all identical? |
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| 18:41.07 | stew | jelly: why would you need non-us to upgrade an old system? |
| 18:41.22 | jeward | e1000: eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 18:41.28 | jelly | stew: because I had packages from non-us installed? |
| 18:41.38 | stew | jelly: then you can get them from main |
| 18:41.42 | valdyn | jeward: 'ls -l /etc/init.d/*.dpkg-dist' gives what? |
| 18:41.42 | jeward | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 18:41.53 | tarrybone | wols_: oftc has three matching chans but none have occupants |
| 18:42.02 | jeward | ls: /etc/init.d/*.dpkg-dist: No such file or directory |
| 18:42.14 | H4z3 | wols_: i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m6c6f1545 |
| 18:42.15 | corey_ | amphi never heard of it like uhm cool...just update resolv.conf to it? where is it out of? |
| 18:42.17 | wols_ | tarrybone: as long as you run real debian we support you. if we know the answer... |
| 18:42.28 | stew | jelly: for instance, the "ssh" package is available from any sarge mirror, you don't need a non-US to upgrade from woody's ssh package to sarge's |
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| 18:42.33 | valdyn | jeward: is bootup trying to bring it up? |
| 18:42.47 | jeward | valdyn: What do you mean? |
| 18:42.49 | tarrybone | wols_: fair enough, thank you for the help. i dont have a particular question atm, just looking for somewhere to soak up cool apt tricks and tips. |
| 18:42.53 | jelly | stew: upgrade paths require not to skip releases... would that work for potato? |
| 18:42.59 | amphi | corey_: san francisco, it seems |
| 18:43.04 | valdyn | jeward: do you have a confirmation that debian is trying to bring up eth1? |
| 18:43.09 | stew | jelly: no |
| 18:43.10 | geo-rge | tarrybone: man apt, man sources.list |
| 18:43.11 | jelly | stew: ie. is ssh for woody available at archive.d.o? |
| 18:43.25 | jeward | valdyn: How do you mean? |
| 18:43.37 | jeward | valdyn: It's set to come up in the interfaces file. |
| 18:43.42 | geo-rge | confirmation... sureness... |
| 18:43.42 | valdyn | jeward: all *I* know is that it hangs |
| 18:43.51 | jeward | valdyn: Me too. :) |
| 18:43.58 | valdyn | jeward: i dont know if your boot up process is running 'ifup eth1' orequivalent at all |
| 18:44.10 | corey_ | amphi have you used it before? uhm you just sign up and point to it? |
| 18:44.17 | jeward | valdyn: Well, I believe it is, not sure how to verify that though. |
| 18:44.18 | valdyn | jeward: so maybe your 'auto' line is somehow mangled |
| 18:44.18 | JasonF | wols_: thanks! |
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| 18:44.27 | geo-rge | valdyn: he says there's an auto eth1 there |
| 18:44.40 | valdyn | geo-rge: that's not the confirmation im after |
| 18:44.59 | geo-rge | so you're saying in dmesg |
| 18:45.09 | jeward | valdyn: What I see in dmesg is link not ready. |
| 18:45.14 | stew | jelly: yes, in main |
| 18:45.22 | geo-rge | maybe he should pastebin the output |
| 18:45.23 | jeward | But then as soon as I do ifup from the command line, it comes up. |
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| 18:45.55 | jeward | It's 4 lines. |
| 18:45.59 | jeward | May I paste? |
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| 18:46.07 | geo-rge | in a pastebin, sure |
| 18:46.09 | valdyn | !paste |
| 18:46.09 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:46.30 | stew | jelly: ohh, but non-us went away before woody's release |
| 18:46.33 | valdyn | jeward: i need to see your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:46.40 | H4z3 | Anyone have any idea about this error: grep: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load: No such file or directory |
| 18:46.41 | jeward | Okay, pasting. |
| 18:46.43 | H4z3 | Starting web server (apache2)...Syntax error on line 141 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: |
| 18:46.46 | H4z3 | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration failed! |
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| 18:46.49 | H4z3 | Ops |
| 18:46.51 | H4z3 | sorry |
| 18:46.57 | valdyn | jeward: its probbably mangled somehow, though probably not exposing that on sarge, who knows |
| 18:47.02 | H4z3 | wrong paste >.< |
| 18:47.02 | stew | jelly: so this is an issue for slink->potato |
| 18:47.12 | jelly | stew: well, you get the point anyway. ;-) |
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| 18:47.17 | H4z3 | http://pastebin.com/m6c6f1545 |
| 18:47.20 | corey_ | amphi cool! THANKS! |
| 18:47.35 | jeward | http://paste.debian.net/38004 |
| 18:47.58 | jeward | valdyn: I dunno, lloks fine to me... |
| 18:48.09 | minerale | can someone tell me why this page does not show: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ratmenu.html -- it seems to exist in the google cache still: http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:g6c6JXmnz3kJ:packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ratmenu.html+ratmenu+ratpoison |
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| 18:48.18 | stew | jelly: i'd guess people are ok with breaking slink->potato upgrades at this point |
| 18:48.52 | geo-rge | jeward: same here, looks good |
| 18:49.18 | valdyn | jeward: i cant see an error, try adding the eth1 to the 'auto eth0' line, see what happens |
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| 18:49.39 | stew | minerale: get rid of the '.html' at the end |
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| 18:49.41 | jeward | valdyn: Okie. Leave the second auto eth1 there? |
| 18:49.50 | valdyn | jeward: yea |
| 18:49.55 | jeward | Okie, one sec. |
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| 18:50.27 | jeward | valdyn: Reboting. |
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| 18:50.37 | jellynet | my debian install still hangs at boot. Trying raid5 and lvm from the installer |
| 18:50.44 | valdyn | jeward: from my pt its not even trying to bring up eth1, but uh |
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| 18:50.52 | jeward | Hmmm, it said it couldn't read the interfaces file as it was shutting down! |
| 18:51.08 | jelly | stew: yeah, still it would be nice if archive.d.o was complete. |
| 18:51.21 | valdyn | jeward: literally? |
| 18:51.23 | jelly | stew: and indeed http://archive.debian.org/dists/potato/Contents-i386.gz does not have bin/ssh |
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| 18:52.00 | jeward | valdyn: Yes. |
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| 18:52.12 | jeward | valdyn:Though it didn't hang this time! |
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| 18:52.32 | valdyn | jeward: now tell me that eth1 is up.. ;) |
| 18:52.50 | jeward | valdyn: Sorry, it didn't bring either interface up this time! |
| 18:53.14 | valdyn | jeward: that file is broken.. somehow |
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| 18:53.21 | jeward | valdyn: I think it didn't like both cards on the same auto line? |
| 18:53.21 | valdyn | jeward: can you upload it to ftp/www server? |
| 18:53.30 | valdyn | jeward: that's legal |
| 18:53.31 | jeward | Sure... |
| 18:53.37 | jeward | Let me think where. |
| 18:53.45 | valdyn | jeward: i dont know what paste sites to with whitespaces |
| 18:53.54 | jeward | valdyn: Agreed. |
| 18:53.58 | valdyn | jeward: auto lo net0 net1 ppp0 is my line - it works.. |
| 18:54.05 | jeward | Let me put it somewhere you can get to it. |
| 18:54.15 | jeward | After I bring up the external interface... :) |
| 18:54.34 | jeward | /etc/network/interfaces:17: interface eth1 declared allow-auto twice |
| 18:54.41 | jeward | Okay, you can't have it tweice... |
| 18:54.49 | valdyn | jeward: ok, my bad.. |
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| 18:55.28 | jellynet | why would i get a disk write error from grub after fresh install |
| 18:55.32 | jeward | I restarted networking and it hangs after eth0. |
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| 18:55.49 | jeward | Could it have to do with this: /etc/network/options is deprecated (see README.Debian of netbase). |
| 18:56.15 | valdyn | jeward: doubt it |
| 18:56.19 | valdyn | jeward: what's in it? |
| 18:56.20 | jeward | I did too. |
| 18:56.24 | jeward | Let me check. |
| 18:56.37 | stew | jeward: that woldn't have anything to do with it, but, does the word "yes" appear in /etc/network/options? |
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| 18:56.51 | jeward | ip_forward=no |
| 18:56.51 | jeward | spoofprotect=yes |
| 18:56.51 | jeward | syncookies=no |
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| 18:57.14 | jeward | Ciould it be spoofprotect? |
| 18:57.15 | jelly | jeward: I have the exact same options and it doesn't make problems on my lenny machine |
| 18:57.33 | valdyn | jeward: new location for these settings should be /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 18:57.38 | jeward | jelly: Got two Intel nics? |
| 18:57.44 | yllar | hello |
| 18:57.49 | jelly | jeward: nope |
| 18:58.25 | stew | jeward: edit /etc/sysctl.conf and uncomend the 'rp_filter' lines, and delete /etc/network/options, and this has nothing to do with your problem |
| 18:59.17 | jazbo2185 | is there any photo stitching software better than hugin? the cannon software does it all automagically, hugin takes forever working with control points then doesnt stitch it properly. Anything automatic out there? |
| 18:59.21 | yllar | when i try to make initrd i get error "yaird error: bad device link in /sys/class/input/event0/device (fatal)" |
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| 18:59.50 | stew | yllar: is there a reason you are using yaird instead of initramfs-tools? |
| 18:59.51 | yllar | 2.6.23rc6 yaird 0.0.12-22 |
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| 19:00.04 | yllar | stew, guess not |
| 19:00.10 | stew | yllar: do you have udev installed? |
| 19:00.12 | yllar | its my first kernel |
| 19:00.20 | yllar | yes |
| 19:00.30 | Airbottle | can i install debian basic system with gnome with the first cd only? |
| 19:00.34 | yllar | uhh udev-dev ? |
| 19:00.38 | jeward | stew: That may not have anything to do with the problem, but I thinkit fixed it, rebooting to test. |
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| 19:00.45 | cloakable | Airbottle: yes |
| 19:00.46 | abrotman | Airbottle: yes |
| 19:01.00 | stew | yllar: then i'd recommend initramfs-tools as yaird is dead upstream |
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| 19:01.12 | windyh | I'm having trouble installing nvidia drivers in lenny. Error message says that the version of gcc used to compile the kernel (4.1) is not the same as the installed version (4.2). What's the best way to deal with this? |
| 19:01.13 | Airbottle | ok thanks (i dont have an internet connection on the computer i want to install it) |
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| 19:01.20 | stew | jeward: all that would have done was get rid of the warning about /etc/network/options |
| 19:01.28 | yllar | stew, ok i'll try, thank you |
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| 19:01.51 | jeward | stew: It did, AND eth1 started... |
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| 19:02.05 | jeward | Lets see if the same is true on reboot. |
| 19:02.14 | abrotman | Airbottle: it's not a full gnome .. just enoguh to get a GUI |
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| 19:02.20 | abrotman | !tell Airbottle about cd contents |
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| 19:02.34 | valdyn | windyh: install gcc-4.1 and run your nvidia driver installer or m-a with something like 'CC=gcc-4.1' or 'MAKEFLAGS=CC=gcc-4.1' prefixed |
| 19:02.36 | stew | jeward: see if it still works after "sysctl -p" |
| 19:02.45 | jeward | stew: You were right, it still hangs. :( |
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| 19:03.32 | valdyn | windyh: if this is a lenny kernel, then you cant compile nvidia drivers though |
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| 19:03.44 | valdyn | windyh: (2.6.21 does not work w/ nvidia ) |
| 19:03.47 | jeward | stew: Though eth1 does come up if I do: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:04.10 | windyh | valdyn: it worked fine in the 64bit version a couple weeks ago |
| 19:04.34 | jeward | stew: And that was after sysctl -p |
| 19:04.38 | windyh | thanks |
| 19:04.56 | FastPutty | stew: got any idea why my P-t-P is same than my inet adress on my tun0 |
| 19:05.15 | Airbottle | ok, thanks abrotman |
| 19:05.41 | valdyn | jeward: eth1 is starting now but portmap still hangs? |
| 19:05.44 | jeward | stew: I'll try another reboot and wait a little longer, and hope. |
| 19:06.04 | jeward | valdyn: It starts when I run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:06.19 | jeward | valdyn: Still seems to hang on boot, though I'm retrying. |
| 19:06.44 | valdyn | jeward: do you need portmap at all? |
| 19:07.01 | jeward | valdyn: I don't now? I am mounting NFS, but not exporting? |
| 19:07.16 | jeward | valdyn: I think it's actualy hanging on eth1. |
| 19:07.25 | valdyn | jeward: yea |
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| 19:07.38 | jeward | valdyn: I'll wait a littl longer this time. |
| 19:08.14 | jeward | Configuring network interfaces...e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 10x |
| 19:08.14 | jeward | Starting portmap daemon.... |
| 19:08.19 | jeward | This is where it hangs. |
| 19:08.31 | jeward | I THINK it should talk about eth1 before portmap. |
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| 19:09.41 | jeward | valdyn: Just hnags. :( |
| 19:09.48 | jeward | Hnags. |
| 19:09.53 | jeward | Hangs even. |
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| 19:10.51 | jeward | Works fine if I restart it from /etc/init.d |
| 19:10.55 | valdyn | jeward: read that site http://www.intel.com/support/network/sb/cs-009209.htm |
| 19:11.14 | jeward | Reading. |
| 19:11.39 | jeward | valdyn: You do know that eth0 is the same card, right? |
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| 19:13.40 | jeward | valdyn: Hmmm, I don't see anything in there? |
| 19:14.00 | tobb87 | hi, i m installing debian on a pc with 40GB harddisk. |
| 19:14.00 | tobb87 | / 4GB |
| 19:14.00 | tobb87 | 128 MB swap |
| 19:14.00 | tobb87 | 36 GB /data |
| 19:14.00 | tobb87 | my question: is 4 GB enough for a samba, dns and ftp server? |
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| 19:14.05 | jeward | valdyn: What were you thinking I should try? |
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| 19:14.43 | abrotman | cute |
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| 19:15.08 | zinx | rootfs 3.8G 772M 2.9G 21% / |
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| 19:15.15 | valdyn | jeward: is it a dual port adapter? |
| 19:15.18 | zinx | doh, i jumped the gun |
| 19:15.33 | jeward | valdyn: That I don't know, I don't have access to the hardware. |
| 19:15.45 | abrotman | tobb87: it depends where you're going to store your ftp data, and samba data and so forth |
| 19:15.46 | jeward | valdyn: Let me see if I can find that out. |
| 19:15.49 | valdyn | jeward: i guess lspci should hint at that |
| 19:15.53 | zinx | tobb87: that's samba, apache, php5, ruby, and probably a bunch of other crap :P |
| 19:16.15 | jeward | valdyn: Want me to pastebin that? |
| 19:16.16 | valdyn | jeward: driver bug is my favourite 'candidate' atm, but without _any_ error message... |
| 19:16.22 | valdyn | jeward: ok |
| 19:17.00 | zinx | although that does not include /etc, /var, /tmp, or /home |
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| 19:17.11 | Vasistha | tobb87: assuming you're using that 36 GB /data partition for all your samba and ftp upload and download data, then the answer is yes, 4 GB is plenty for your root partition to store all the binaries, libraries, manuals, etc. |
| 19:17.29 | jeward | http://paste.debian.net/38010 |
| 19:17.53 | zinx | 5.2M /etc 333M /var |
| 19:17.56 | jeward | valdyn: I THINK that looks like two cards? |
| 19:17.57 | crn__ | for some reason df hangs. any ideas why? |
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| 19:19.43 | valdyn | jeward: yea |
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| 19:19.50 | struct | what packages are installed by default during etch install? |
| 19:20.07 | struct | is there any list of packages so you can download them and put them on cd or something? |
| 19:20.08 | jeward | valdyn: Should I try switching their position in the interfaces file? |
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| 19:20.48 | valdyn | jeward: i dont know what that does, or switching the order in the auto line or of the auto lines |
| 19:21.08 | jeward | valdyn: Let me try a few things... |
| 19:21.23 | valdyn | jeward: http://e1000.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page is neat, but im not finding your issue precisely |
| 19:22.05 | jeward | valdyn: We have half a dozen or more of these servers and I'm getting the same problem on each one after upgrade to etch. |
| 19:22.21 | jeward | valdyn: They've worked fine for years on sarge. |
| 19:22.41 | jeward | valdyn: If that helps at all. |
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| 19:23.32 | Vasistha | struct: the ones that are on the netinst cd ;) |
| 19:23.37 | jeward | valdyn: I tried switching the order on the auto line to eth1 eth0 |
| 19:23.45 | valdyn | jeward: try booting with the kernel options 'acpi=off' |
| 19:24.20 | jeward | valdyn: Oh, okay, next time around. |
| 19:24.35 | stew | struct: aptitude search '~prequired' '~pstandard' |
| 19:24.54 | Vasistha | so, I have a usb flash drive here that appears to be dead: when I tail -f /var/log/messages and plug the thing in, there isn't a single message. So I assume the thing is probably dead. My question: what's the likelihood that I will ever retrieve the valuable data on that drive? |
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| 19:25.26 | valdyn | !statistics |
| 19:25.26 | dpkg | i guess statistics is a way of measuring something with numbers. http://feayn.org/~lewis/statistics.jpg |
| 19:25.31 | jeward | valdyn: Okay, I caught it in time. |
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| 19:25.52 | jeward | valdyn: That fixed it! |
| 19:25.53 | garo | (How) Can I add a program that doesn't have a package to debian's menu system ? |
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| 19:26.01 | valdyn | jeward: what fixed it? |
| 19:26.07 | jeward | valdyn: What are the negative impacts of acpi=off? |
| 19:26.20 | valdyn | !acpi |
| 19:26.20 | dpkg | from memory, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
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| 19:26.27 | jeward | valdyn: Either the order in the auto line or your suggestion. |
| 19:26.34 | Vasistha | garo: try kmenuedit |
| 19:26.35 | jeward | Let me verify that eth0 came up! |
| 19:26.45 | valdyn | jeward: you don't need acpi if its not a laptop |
| 19:27.08 | garo | Vasistha: will that place it in debian's menu system ? |
| 19:27.13 | jeward | valdyn: So that's the only need for it? |
| 19:27.13 | garo | ore only in the kde menu ? |
| 19:27.21 | valdyn | jeward: ( and if you dont know what it does.. theere is server applications of acpi, but obviously you're not using those |
| 19:27.21 | Vasistha | garo: that will give you a gui tool that can help you set it up |
| 19:27.36 | jeward | valdyn: Evidently not! ;) |
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| 19:27.52 | Vasistha | jeward: acpi gives you temperature readings, suspend/standby stuff, and some other bells & whistles |
| 19:27.58 | jeward | valdyn: Let me try the same thing on another server. |
| 19:28.49 | valdyn | jeward: SLES (based on v2.4 kernels): ACPI enable may cause Intel(R) Dual Port PRO/1000 Adapters to fail |
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| 19:29.05 | valdyn | jeward: that's from the wiki, so that being the source of the error is a little far fetched.. |
| 19:29.16 | jeward | valdyn: :) |
| 19:29.27 | jeward | valdyn: As long as my servers reboot, I'm happy! |
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| 19:29.31 | jeward | valdyn: Thanks! |
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| 19:29.56 | jeward | I need to go back and upgrade the kernels on the other three I've done so far, but thanks so much! |
| 19:30.12 | valdyn | jeward: welcome, i hope it wasn't a fluke |
| 19:30.34 | FastPutty | just a simple quesiton on openvpn, is that normal that my server vpn has 10.0.0.1 and ptp 10.0.0.2 and my client got 10.0.0.6 and ptp 10.0.0.5 ? |
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| 19:31.22 | dkr | seems fine to me |
| 19:31.27 | pickcoder | FastPutty: you can define the virtual network it creates |
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| 19:31.37 | pickcoder | you can also state the IP range that clients get |
| 19:31.40 | jeward | valdyn: We'll see shortly! |
| 19:31.54 | FastPutty | i thought ptp need ot be the server ip |
| 19:32.02 | FastPutty | why 10.0.0.5 ? |
| 19:32.21 | jeward | dns-nameservers 216.7.88.71 |
| 19:32.29 | jeward | Ooops, sorry. |
| 19:32.29 | FastPutty | i thought ptp for vpn server shoud be 10.0.0.2 and the client ptp need to be 10.0.0.1 |
| 19:32.59 | dkr | the exact numbers used don't matter if the routing is setup correctly |
| 19:33.08 | k31th | guys, any one have any recomends for installing java on debian? |
| 19:33.24 | dkr | !java |
| 19:33.24 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 19:34.05 | garo | Vasistha: doesn't work |
| 19:34.11 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 19:34.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:34.17 | garo | I tried running update-menus |
| 19:34.26 | garo | i logged out and back in |
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| 19:34.33 | garo | but the menu stays the same |
| 19:34.36 | k31th | dkr: all I want is the JRE |
| 19:34.44 | abrotman | k31th: there's a jre package |
| 19:34.44 | softwork | debian 4.0r1 is compiled it gcc 4? |
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| 19:34.53 | softwork | the kernel |
| 19:34.55 | k31th | abrotman: in apt? |
| 19:34.55 | garo | altough i can see it in kmenuedit |
| 19:35.07 | abrotman | gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 |
| 19:35.13 | abrotman | k31th: in non-free .. yes |
| 19:35.24 | softwork | ok thx |
| 19:35.54 | k31th | abrotman: i have deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 19:36.04 | k31th | in apt, so i should be good to go, but i don't see it |
| 19:36.13 | Vasistha | garo: you hit the little save icon in kde menu editor when you were done? |
| 19:36.20 | abrotman | k31th: uhm .. that's sarge .. nothing but java-pacakge in sarge |
| 19:36.25 | abrotman | !tell k31th about java-package |
| 19:36.29 | garo | yes :) |
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| 19:36.52 | garo | I can still see the entry in kmenuedit, but it doesn't appear in my menu |
| 19:36.54 | Vasistha | garo: dunno what to tell ya. Maybe ask in #kde |
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| 19:37.03 | softwork | i have a problem, if driver need gcc < 4 i need a kernel < 4 ? |
| 19:37.12 | garo | Are you sure that kmenuedit is for the debianmenu and not the kde-menu ? |
| 19:37.19 | Vasistha | softwork: what driver is this, and for what hardware? |
| 19:37.25 | softwork | x-fi driver |
| 19:37.33 | abrotman | wtf is x-fi ? |
| 19:37.33 | stew | softwork: you'd either need to fix the driver, or recompile your kernel with an older gcc |
| 19:37.39 | FastPutty | dkr: so my vpn routing seem to be fine right? |
| 19:37.41 | softwork | creative x-fi driver |
| 19:37.42 | k31th | well I am looking to upgrade this box in the near future abrotman |
| 19:37.48 | garo | because i really don't care how the kdemenu looks, i don't use kde |
| 19:37.50 | Vasistha | softwork: is that a sound card? |
| 19:37.54 | softwork | yes |
| 19:38.01 | k31th | will installing java-package break an update? |
| 19:38.04 | abrotman | k31th: okay .. well .. it's up to you |
| 19:38.12 | FastPutty | dkr: so my vpn routing seem to be fine right? |
| 19:38.19 | valdyn | k31th: no |
| 19:38.31 | jeward | valdyn: Loks like it was a fluek. :( |
| 19:38.37 | k31th | how long will sarge be supported for? |
| 19:38.45 | abrotman | about til april 2008 |
| 19:38.50 | Chascon | howdy |
| 19:38.54 | Vasistha | garo: oh, sorry, I missed your question about "does that place it in debian's menu system or just in kde's" ... I've never tried to add stuff to the debian menu (I actually don't use any of those menus at all, I do everything by command-line) |
| 19:38.59 | jeward | valdyn: acpi=off, right? |
| 19:39.04 | valdyn | jeward: yea |
| 19:39.27 | garo | ah well, nevermind |
| 19:39.46 | jeward | valdyn: It worked when I manually set that from the grub menu, but not subsequently. |
| 19:40.16 | valdyn | jeward: you're sure it was really there subsequently? |
| 19:40.33 | jeward | valdyn: Yeah, checked it in the grub menu. |
| 19:40.47 | jeward | Damn, I thought we'd figured this out. |
| 19:41.07 | valdyn | jeward: so its a race of some kind, maybe bringing that interface up later will work always |
| 19:41.30 | jeward | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro console=tty0 consol |
| 19:41.30 | jeward | e=ttyS0,115200n8 acpi=off |
| 19:41.45 | jeward | Order isn't important, right? |
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| 19:41.54 | valdyn | jeward: right |
| 19:42.04 | jeward | Or whitespace? |
| 19:42.17 | Chascon | Are there any ramifications of installing Debian with a 32 bit kernel and then installing a 64 bit kernel over top? I mean are 64bit repositories kept apart from 32 bit and will mixing kernel with useland bit technology lead to problems other than multimedia problems? |
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| 19:42.35 | stew | Chascon: iptables will stop working |
| 19:42.46 | valdyn | jeward: one space is ok, i dont know the source code or experimented with whitespaces there... |
| 19:42.52 | jeward | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro console=tty0 consol |
| 19:42.52 | jeward | e=ttyS0,115200n8 acpi=off |
| 19:42.56 | jeward | Ooops, sorry. |
| 19:42.59 | Chascon | k |
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| 19:43.06 | jeward | valdyn: I had two, retrrying with one space. |
| 19:43.42 | jeward | Still hangs. :( |
| 19:44.22 | valdyn | jeward: you can remove the auto for eth1 and 'ifup eth1' in /etc/rc.local to change timing, that's just so ugly though |
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| 19:44.43 | jeward | valdyn: Yeah, there's a LOT of stuff going on over eth1. |
| 19:44.53 | jeward | valdyn: Might be better to go the other way even! |
| 19:45.11 | valdyn | jeward: or ' pre-up "sleep 5" ' |
| 19:45.19 | valdyn | jeward: not much less ugly |
| 19:45.30 | jeward | valdyn: Where does that go? |
| 19:46.23 | valdyn | jeward: to eth1, below netmask etc or in between |
| 19:46.33 | jeward | valdyn: Let me try that. |
| 19:48.58 | jeward | valdyn: No luck. :( |
| 19:49.46 | jeward | /bin/sh: sleep 5: command not found |
| 19:50.08 | valdyn | jeward: /bin/sleep |
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| 19:50.34 | merc_work | how long can passwords be until they are truncated? |
| 19:50.43 | czeroX | exit |
| 19:50.51 | merc_work | assuming that we're not trying to stay with the 8 to be compatible with older stuff.. |
| 19:50.57 | jeward | valdyn: Has to be without quotes. |
| 19:51.05 | jeward | valdyn: Rebooting to test. |
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| 19:52.39 | jeward | valdyn: No luck. |
| 19:52.50 | geo-rge | merc_work: look into the shadow passwd suite, which is whqt debian has been useing for years |
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| 19:52.59 | ezguy | hi, can found out which disk part is label /boot? |
| 19:53.01 | Szeraax | jeward: sorry to interupt, but what are you tyring? |
| 19:53.01 | merc_work | geo-rge: thanks |
| 19:53.04 | ezguy | how can i ... |
| 19:53.23 | FordCortina | When you make a backport of a package in debian, you are in fact compiling source from a later distribution against the (older) libraries in your current distro, are you not? |
| 19:53.45 | jeward | Szeraax: I have a server with two e1000 nics and after upgrading to etch, the second fails to initialize on boot, but does from the command line. |
| 19:53.46 | Szeraax | ezguy: what are you using to access it? (grub command line?)(gui?)(console?) |
| 19:53.46 | geo-rge | Szeraax: to insert a delay to allow a nic to become ready |
| 19:54.03 | ezguy | sonsole |
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| 19:54.20 | ezguy | console |
| 19:54.38 | Szeraax | ezguy: can you find it with command 'du' ? |
| 19:54.53 | dkr | Szeraax: I think you mean df |
| 19:54.55 | Szeraax | ezguy: is it dedicated boot? |
| 19:54.57 | geo-rge | FordCortina: assuming there is something in the package to compile, yes |
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| 19:55.08 | geo-rge | and that would be a simple backport |
| 19:55.08 | ezguy | yes |
| 19:55.16 | abrotman | /etc/fstab |
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| 19:55.40 | Szeraax | yeah nano /etc/ fstab would work then too |
| 19:55.44 | jeward | It's something about etch, even a very old kernel hangs in the same place. |
| 19:55.50 | geo-rge | things that would make it complicated would include changing apis and tools |
| 19:55.57 | ezguy | LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 doesn't show part # |
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| 19:56.15 | FordCortina | and a "complex" backport would be porting a bug fix in version 2.0 to version 1.0? |
| 19:56.17 | valdyn | jeward: what if you remove portmap btw? |
| 19:56.44 | Szeraax | ezguy: should have a /dev/hdxn in it too... |
| 19:57.05 | geo-rge | more would be having to alter the source or build system to accomodate some change in the older system |
| 19:57.34 | ezguy | szeraax: it using label not the partition for mounting. |
| 19:57.35 | Szeraax | jeward: so you want to just give it more time to init the second device, right? |
| 19:57.53 | geo-rge | right |
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| 19:58.10 | FordCortina | geo-rge: i think i see what you mean, thanks |
| 19:58.13 | Szeraax | ezguy: and 'df' and 'du' do nothing too? |
| 19:58.13 | ezguy | Szeraax: i want to know/findout which labels is map to which partitions |
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| 19:58.23 | abrotman | Szeraax: he could just cat it |
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| 19:58.41 | ezguy | Szeraax: df works |
| 19:58.49 | Szeraax | so it told you? |
| 19:58.54 | jeward | Szeraax: I did, it booted this time... will try again in one hour. |
| 19:58.59 | softwork | what gcc version debian 4.0r0 is compiled |
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| 19:59.04 | softwork | kernel |
| 19:59.24 | Szeraax | ezguy: so you got it? |
| 19:59.48 | ezguy | Szeraax: yes, but it only work mount partition |
| 20:00.00 | Szeraax | ezguy: ? |
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| 20:01.02 | ezguy | Szeraax: if the partition is not mounted, df doesn't show the info. |
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| 20:01.18 | Szeraax | ezguy: yeah |
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| 20:01.59 | Szeraax | ezguy: you can try looking in /boot/systemmap or whatever that is (i think it is systemmap) |
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| 20:02.11 | beardy | Wyzard: IIRC you run firehol? Do you run the Debian stock version of it? |
| 20:02.16 | Szeraax | ezguy: maybe devicemap |
| 20:02.27 | ezguy | Szeraax: is there any cmd that which show mount/unmount disk/part info like it label |
| 20:02.42 | Szeraax | ezguy: mount -a, i think... |
| 20:02.42 | ezguy | Szeraax: may tune2fs? |
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| 20:03.59 | Szeraax | tune2fs? |
| 20:04.19 | ezguy | Szeraax: it looks tune2fs /dev/hda1 does the job. |
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| 20:04.31 | Szeraax | ezguy: sweet |
| 20:04.35 | ezguy | Szeraax: using the -l option |
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| 20:05.20 | Szeraax | ezguy: glad you got it. |
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| 20:05.43 | Szeraax | jeward: I hope it works for you later... that's pretty annoying... |
| 20:06.01 | yigal | who should sid ? |
| 20:06.05 | ezguy | Szeraax: me for the advices. |
| 20:06.10 | Szeraax | bye all |
| 20:06.10 | yigal | that is who should use sid? |
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| 20:06.17 | ezguy | Szeraax: thanks for the advices. |
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| 20:07.13 | yigal | i recently installed the latest kernel from sid, i normally use testing but I can't get NVIDIA to work with 2.6.21-2-686 I have to go with the .22 |
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| 20:07.41 | yigal | I am wondering if I shouldn't just cross the fingers and move testing --> sid ? |
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| 20:08.33 | valdyn | yigal: just get the sid kernel, you dont need to use sid |
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| 20:09.28 | yigal | valdyn: its just that I have been using a lot of the programming packages from sid also because lenny has older one's and its nice to use deb vs. svn/cvs if I can get away with it |
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| 20:09.51 | aebonyne | Hi, I have been having troubles with X since a few days ago. Some of my X apps seem to randomly segfault / abort (ran strace to see signal), mainly xfce-session and iceweasel, but epiphany and amarok have done it as well. I thought it was the nvidia closed driver, but I am using nv now and getting the same effect. Any ideas? / How would I collect info for a bug report? |
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| 20:10.34 | yigal | aebonyne: if you open iceweasel in a browser what kind of nasty garbage does it feed you? |
| 20:10.43 | yigal | s/browser/terminal |
| 20:10.44 | yigal | sorry |
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| 20:11.19 | aebonyne | If I open iceweasel it runs for me bit and then dies with "Segmentation fault" |
| 20:11.29 | aebonyne | Not sure how to gdb it for a backtrace. |
| 20:11.51 | eallik | is it OK to do a dist-upgrade to unstable right after installing a fresh 4.0 stable? |
| 20:12.08 | valdyn | eallik: sure |
| 20:12.11 | yigal | what a waste |
| 20:12.12 | eallik | or should I first remove certain packages to avoid dependency issues? |
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| 20:12.35 | valdyn | eallik: if you have to ask you probably shouldnt use unstable at all |
| 20:12.56 | eallik | lol, yeah |
| 20:13.02 | themill | !tell eallik about etch->lenny |
| 20:13.14 | valdyn | eallik: but beyond that, just run dist-upgrade, there's nothing specific, only the general fact that sid is permanently in a state of flux and anything may happen |
| 20:13.36 | yigal | eallik: if you really must do safe-upgrade first!! |
| 20:14.16 | aebonyne | yigal: Oh, I just ran strace iceweasel and this time it aborted and froze with "futex(0x2b85106ac9a0, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL" while trying to clean up after itself before exiting. |
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| 20:14.43 | aebonyne | Sorry, system type might help: I am running Debian Sid on x86_64 SMP. |
| 20:14.58 | eallik | actually the dist-upgrade was a success with the exception that I got a "W: couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main ..." |
| 20:15.12 | yigal | aebonyne: its interesting that its happening across the board on your box, from a KDE application to iceweasel, to epiphany ? |
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| 20:15.16 | stew | aebonyne: see if it happens if you remove your extensions/plugins |
| 20:15.28 | yigal | eallik: there are no security updates for sid |
| 20:15.40 | aebonyne | iceweasel -safe-mode runs a bit longer before dying in the same way. |
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| 20:15.46 | aebonyne | (Long enough to actually do something.) |
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| 20:15.53 | eallik | yigal: so I should just remove the security updates line from sources.list? |
| 20:15.58 | themill | Is there an equivalent for badblocks for ntfs or vfat partitions? |
| 20:15.59 | plb | Does anyone know what the debian solution for apache2 auth against a nis database is? |
| 20:16.00 | stew | aebonyne: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:16.04 | aebonyne | bts? |
| 20:16.12 | themill | !tell aebonyne about bts |
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| 20:16.22 | yigal | eallik: I guess so, if you are going this rout, or just use # infront of the lines |
| 20:16.24 | aebonyne | ah, I will look |
| 20:16.49 | yigal | aebonyne: did you upgrade recently? |
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| 20:17.18 | eallik | yigal: lol, thanks, btw I know how to uncomment stuff :) I'm just not too familiar with Debian |
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| 20:17.29 | aebonyne | yigal: Yeah, this started after an upgrade sometime after xorg 7.3 came out and before I upgraded to it. |
| 20:17.47 | yigal | aebonyne: have you upgraded after the time you had problems? |
| 20:17.55 | aebonyne | yes |
| 20:18.06 | stew | eallik: if you aren't too familiar with debian you probably don't want to be running unstable |
| 20:18.07 | yigal | aebonyne: so there is nothing more for you to upgrade? |
| 20:18.21 | aebonyne | I am fully dist-upgraded right now. |
| 20:18.37 | yigal | aebonyne: and you have restarted your machine? |
| 20:18.44 | aebonyne | I thought the problem was a conflict between new xorg stuff and the old nvidia driver because there are forum posts about similar symptoms from that. |
| 20:18.58 | aebonyne | Yes. |
| 20:19.08 | eallik | just one more simple question: how do I detect the currently running version of Debian? |
| 20:19.22 | aebonyne | Sometimes it freezes and I either have to do alt+sysreq or even that does not work and I hit the reset button. |
| 20:19.32 | plb | eallik: what do you mean by currently running version |
| 20:19.32 | amphi | !version |
| 20:19.32 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 20:19.33 | Batchy | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 20:19.36 | stew | eallik: compare libc6 to available versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 20:19.43 | eallik | plb: is it stable, unstable or testing |
| 20:20.14 | yigal | aebonyne: sounds like an IRQ problem? |
| 20:20.49 | yigal | well I get to reboot into my nice new 2.6.22-686 with Nvidia, cross the fingers, working |
| 20:20.52 | yigal | best |
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| 20:20.58 | plb | eallik: look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:21.20 | stew | plb: he just edited that |
| 20:21.22 | eallik | plb: I just want to detect if the dist upgrade was successful |
| 20:21.34 | eallik | I guess if I got no error messages, it must have been OK |
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| 20:22.18 | eallik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.45 | eallik | libc6 is 2.6.1-5 |
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| 20:25.43 | kittonian | is there a hardware compatibility list for debian? I'm spec'ing out new server hardware and want to make sure everything on the list is supported |
| 20:25.54 | kittonian | i checked debian.org but didn't see one |
| 20:26.27 | aebonyne | presumably it would be the same as the compatibility for any Linux distro. |
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| 20:26.58 | dalias | not necessarily |
| 20:27.00 | plb | aebonyne: mostly, I know there is some dissimilarity when 3rd-party packages are concerned |
| 20:27.05 | aebonyne | okay |
| 20:27.12 | dalias | lots of distros patch in all sorts of unstable drivers into the kernel |
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| 20:27.24 | dalias | and/or include proprietary drivers |
| 20:27.27 | SpooForBrains | hey all |
| 20:27.30 | dalias | neither of these will be in debian |
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| 20:28.04 | FastPutty | is there a way to see the packet text |
| 20:28.07 | plb | dalias: not to mention packages where Debian's version is older because the maintainer is behind |
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| 20:28.09 | main2 | me / and my dev. partner both need to be able to write stuff to /var/www - we both have a normal user account, should i add ourself to either 'admin' or 'wheel', and then chown the /var/www as that group? |
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| 20:28.12 | FastPutty | i heard about tethereal but i cannot find it |
| 20:28.20 | kittonian | well, things like the newer motherboards from supermicro, the quad-core intel chips (Xeon's, Core2Duo's, etc.) |
| 20:28.21 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 20:28.22 | SpooForBrains | Can anyone tell me if having approximately 6GB used on a freshly formatted 400GB disk using ext3 is normal? |
| 20:28.44 | plb | kittonian: motherboards and processors are rarely an issue (as far as I know).... |
| 20:28.46 | petemc | SpooForBrains: space is reserved for root |
| 20:28.48 | kittonian | i'm quite sure that SATA drives are supported and that's pretty much all that's going into this new machine besides memory, a motherboard and processors |
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| 20:29.17 | kittonian | plb, whether or not it will work is one thing, whether or not they are fully supported to take advantage of all they offer is another |
| 20:29.26 | plb | kittonian: as far as linux is concerned a quad core is no different from two dual cores or four single cores |
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| 20:29.48 | SpooForBrains | petemc: I used -m 0 "0 blocks (0.00%) reserved for the super user" |
| 20:29.58 | dalias | spooforbrains, what do you mean by "used"? |
| 20:30.07 | yigal | valdyn: in any event the sid kernel is working with Nvidia, so that is nice - although it isn't open source :(. |
| 20:30.13 | kittonian | plb, ok, well that solves the processor discussion. how about the motherboard and all the features like the LAN ports, USB ports, etc. |
| 20:30.24 | dalias | a lot of space will be taken up by filesystem structures but that does not get included in the output of "df" |
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| 20:30.51 | SpooForBrains | ok, I created the partition initially using gparted. Then when I was told about ext3 reserving space for superuser I ran the make2fs command manually with the -m 0 switch |
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| 20:31.24 | plb | kittonian: USB should not be an issue.. LAN is going to depend on the chipset it uses and the best bet is just search.. some LAN don't have kernel-space support but do have user-space support (the broadcom adapter in my laptop comes to mind) |
| 20:31.25 | SpooForBrains | admittedly I didn't delete the partition first |
| 20:33.23 | plb | kittonian: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ is a good starting place |
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| 20:33.56 | main2 | any linux god that can answer my question? :) |
| 20:34.03 | kittonian | plb, ok thanks. here's another question. all of these new processors seem to be 64-bit. i don't really want to run a 64-bit OS and have to deal with whether or not certain software is available in 64-bit format. what do you suggest? |
| 20:34.54 | petemc | use 32bit |
| 20:35.04 | SpooForBrains | huh. gparted: size 372.61GiB used 6.04GiB unused 366.57GiB |
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| 20:35.18 | kittonian | petemc, ok, so i can use 32-bit even with 64-bit processors right? |
| 20:35.25 | petemc | yup |
| 20:35.26 | kittonian | plb, that hardware list is ancient |
| 20:35.31 | kittonian | petemc, ok |
| 20:35.53 | kittonian | are there any suggestions for what to purchase as far as motherboards and processors go? |
| 20:36.01 | SpooForBrains | df: /dev/hde1 size:367G used: 195M free: 367G |
| 20:36.02 | kittonian | i know we want ECC memory to be supported |
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| 20:36.23 | kittonian | but the wierd thing is i've got a very old server running right now on dual PIII 550's and the processors are 95% free most times |
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| 20:36.26 | Ksz | hello |
| 20:36.28 | SpooForBrains | so is that discrepancy accounted for by file system overhead? 6GB is a LOT of overhead! |
| 20:36.35 | Ksz | how to build mailx from source? there is not README file |
| 20:36.44 | kittonian | the memory gets significant useage but we're only running some websites, pgsql, mysql, and zope |
| 20:36.51 | kittonian | that's all we'll be doing on this new box |
| 20:37.10 | silent[ca] | I might have just transfered sensitive information over an ssh pipe, would there be any logs of the ssh session on my current terminal (public) that I should be aware of? or does ssh not log through bash to any files? |
| 20:37.23 | kittonian | i just want to make sure we have another 10 years on this new server like we've had on the last one. and hopefully things will run even faster with the newer technology (although they are pretty speedy right now) |
| 20:37.26 | plb | kittonian: processor is not a big issue for most serving applications (except J2EE) |
| 20:37.51 | bhundven | kittonian: I usually just gather a list of motherboards that are close to what I want and look at what chipsets are on the board and google for anyone needing support with those boards and seeing if anyone has had problems. If nothing shows up, then maybe it works perfectly or no one has tried. |
| 20:38.11 | plb | kittonian: until a year ago my Research Lab was running our web off of a Sparc 15 |
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| 20:38.28 | kittonian | plb, exactly my point |
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| 20:38.45 | kittonian | bhundven, ok, good idea. what are you using on your latest higher end server? |
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| 20:39.34 | bhundven | well. the company I work for makes vpn appliances, so I typically reuse their hardware (it's cheaper for me). but I usually go with supermicro boards |
| 20:39.44 | bhundven | or intel boxed boards |
| 20:39.57 | aebonyne | So, I got iceweasel to run in gdb (iceweasel --debugger gdb) and... it is not crashing now. This bug hates me. |
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| 20:40.51 | kittonian | bhundven, ok, i was going with supermicro so that's cool |
| 20:40.58 | bhundven | :-D |
| 20:41.02 | kittonian | how about for processing. do i go Xeon or Core2Duo? |
| 20:41.43 | bhundven | either should be fine |
| 20:41.48 | GNU\colossus | you go for a Xeon if you need to do SMP |
| 20:41.50 | valdyn | kittonian: core2duo is a specific cpu, xeon is intel server cpu brand |
| 20:42.01 | GNU\colossus | if you're fine with core multiplexing on one DIE, you go Core 2 Duo |
| 20:42.37 | bhundven | yea. I'd suggest xeon, but on a budget, the core2duo should be fine |
| 20:42.42 | GNU\colossus | if you want to do symmetric processing on a larger scale, say, 8 cores plus, AMD's K8 beats the crap out of the Xeon though |
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| 20:42.49 | bhundven | hehe |
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| 20:43.25 | kittonian | GNU\colossus, yeah I know but I'm trying to gauge this by the fact that dual P3 550's are running just fine with lots of headroom at the moment |
| 20:43.48 | kittonian | bhundven, i suppose i don't need to worry about multiple processors since these have two cores right? |
| 20:43.49 | GNU\colossus | kittonian: then AMD is your best bet, really. much more energy efficient when idle. |
| 20:43.56 | kittonian | a single Xeon 3000 series should be fine |
| 20:44.04 | Ksz | what is that |
| 20:44.04 | Ksz | Sep 25 22:13:32 s10 kernel: mail[14290] trap divide error rip:2ba0d5162f1a rsp:7fffd594e640 error:0 |
| 20:44.22 | kittonian | GNU\colossus, ok, what motherboard do you suggest if I went the AMD route |
| 20:44.29 | GNU\colossus | kittonian: well, a dual core CPU has 2 cores, but no more. you can have 8way dual core systems from AMD, and at least 2way quad-cores from intel by now. |
| 20:44.44 | toor | i want to buy a amd athlon 64 X2 6000+, anybody using this cpu? |
| 20:44.54 | jgarvey | is there any reason debian/etch wouldn't see a second ide drive in a thinkpad dock with a tp42p |
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| 20:45.02 | GNU\colossus | kittonian: well, right now, something powered by nvidia nforce is the safest bet. go for Tyan as the manufacturer if you can. |
| 20:45.10 | aebonyne | jgarvey: Was it there when you booted? |
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| 20:45.21 | eallik | basically if I install a package using aptitude, then all the packages that will be installed as dependencies will be marked auto and will be removed again once nothing depends on theme? |
| 20:45.30 | eallik | them* |
| 20:45.35 | jgarvey | aebonyne: I'm not hot plugging anything |
| 20:45.36 | GNU\colossus | toor: I'musing a X2 4400+; they only differ in clockspeed and cachesize |
| 20:45.42 | GNU\colossus | it's a very nie CPU after all |
| 20:45.43 | plb | eallik: yes |
| 20:45.45 | GNU\colossus | nice* |
| 20:45.47 | eallik | cool |
| 20:46.00 | stew | eallik: yes, and the same is true of apt-get as of .7 |
| 20:46.33 | jgarvey | aebonyne: everything else in the dock seems to be seen, usb drives work, pcmcia scsi card works. |
| 20:47.00 | GNU\colossus | kittonian: there's even a chance that a brand new AMD dualcore system will consume less energy when idle than your Dual PIII system is now |
| 20:47.01 | jgarvey | aebonyne: the drive will work if it's moved to the laptop proper |
| 20:47.15 | GNU\colossus | whilst providing vastly superior performance when needed, of course |
| 20:47.18 | toor | GNU\colossus: runs it fast and stable? |
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| 20:47.33 | GNU\colossus | toor: as stable as any recommendable CPU I've had, yeah. |
| 20:47.42 | toor | GNU\colossus: are u using intel too? |
| 20:47.43 | GNU\colossus | performance is very satisfying, too |
| 20:47.44 | stew | GNU\colossus: without a doubt it will use less energy |
| 20:47.53 | GNU\colossus | yes, I do sit in front of an Intel Core 2 Duo right now |
| 20:48.03 | toor | who build the better cpus actually? |
| 20:48.18 | GNU\colossus | that's not that easy to say |
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| 20:48.26 | toor | a friend said |
| 20:48.29 | GNU\colossus | Intel got more performance per watt when under full load |
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| 20:48.38 | GNU\colossus | AMD the better overall energy footprint |
| 20:48.43 | toor | intel need lesser energy and 30% better in all benchmarks |
| 20:48.56 | GNU\colossus | well, that's grossly oversimplified |
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| 20:49.01 | aebonyne | There we go, I got iceeweasel crashing in the debugger now... with no debugging symbols. |
| 20:49.11 | plb | toor: only at peak, at idle AMD is better |
| 20:49.22 | GNU\colossus | it's true that Intel's core architecture is faster per clock than AMD's hammer architecture |
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| 20:49.31 | GNU\colossus | however, it also consumes more power per clock than the hammer |
| 20:49.32 | plb | toor: for power comsumption that is |
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| 20:50.16 | digistyl3 | hi there, if i have a directory and want files created inside it to have certain permissions, i have to use UUIDs? |
| 20:50.39 | GNU\colossus | digistyl3: you probably want to set your umask |
| 20:50.44 | GNU\colossus | UUIDs are wholly different beasts |
| 20:50.55 | toor | i see |
| 20:50.56 | plb | toor: (warning this is an ex-Intel employee speaking) my opinion is the two go back and forth almost quarterly |
| 20:50.57 | toor | thanks a lot |
| 20:51.01 | GNU\colossus | generally identifieng some kind of resource (like, a filesystem or md-device) |
| 20:51.12 | digistyl3 | GNU\colossus: oh, that's were i missed it... umasks, not UUIDs, thanks :D |
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| 20:52.25 | GNU\colossus | AMD's new Phenom architecture offers better performance/clock and /watt again, btw |
| 20:52.35 | GNU\colossus | but it's not released to the public as of now |
| 20:52.48 | GNU\colossus | and Intel's next beasts are waiting around the corner |
| 20:52.56 | digistyl3 | GNU\colossus: how can i set the umask of a directory so when i create a file inside it, it will have permissions 664 and if i create a dir it will have permissions 775, and all groups set to for example group "webadmin" ? |
| 20:53.29 | plb | hehe... and then a quarter after that AMD will be back on top and so on and son |
| 20:53.34 | GNU\colossus | digistyl3: you cannot set a umask on a per-directory basis automagically, you'd need to manually interfere. |
| 20:53.54 | FastPutty | ls -al |
| 20:53.56 | FastPutty | opos haha |
| 20:54.04 | stew | digistyl3: you can't set a umask for a single directory, you can only set umask per environment. for group, set the group sticky bit (g+s) on the directory |
| 20:54.41 | GNU\colossus | you can create file with the group-ownership of a group you're member of by using `chgrp` |
| 20:55.06 | FastPutty | stew: hey stew is there a way tochange the adres and PTP in my client vpn ? |
| 20:55.08 | GNU\colossus | well, mor correctly, change the group-owner by using chgrp |
| 20:55.19 | stew | GNU\colossus: you mean newgrp |
| 20:55.36 | stew | GNU\colossus: newgrp for newly created files, chgrp to change one after it is created |
| 20:55.47 | GNU\colossus | stew: yup, positive :) (for the first of my statements at least) |
| 20:55.48 | stew | FastPutty: i don't know of one |
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| 20:55.55 | aebonyne | gah, what is one of those sites for linking to text so I don't flood? I just got a Kernel oops and I have no idea what part is important. |
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| 20:55.59 | FastPutty | you dont know of one? O_O |
| 20:56.05 | GNU\colossus | aebonyne rafb.net/paste |
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| 21:03.06 | digistyl3 | the following situation... i've set the permissions of my www dir to rwxrwxr-x, owner: root, group: webadmins, i have 2 users that i added to group webadmin... now, when i create a file it set's it's owner to usernumberone, it's group to usernumberone, and it doesn't give write permissions to the group, so usernumber2 can't modify the file |
| 21:03.13 | AVRS2 | good night |
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| 21:03.58 | stew | digistyl3: "chmod g+s www" to fix the group ownership. run "umask 002" before you create the file in order to fix the permissions |
| 21:04.27 | stew | digistyl3: by "fix the group ownership, i mean make it so that files created in the future will automatically be owned by the same goup as the dir they are in |
| 21:04.28 | digistyl3 | how can i make it to do the following: when i create a file from usernumberone inside /var/www (and only inside /var/www), it creates it with owner: usernuberone, group webadmins, and permissions for group to write? |
| 21:05.16 | stew | digistyl3: run "chmod g+s /var/www" ; run "umask 002" before you create a file |
| 21:05.31 | digistyl3 | ok, thank you stew |
| 21:05.56 | stew | digistyl3: you cannot force the files to be group writable, that is up to the person creating the file |
| 21:06.59 | mmnicolas | if i pipe a "tail -f" to a less like this tail -f /var/log/everything | less, will the less continue to be feeded by the pipe ? or will it only show the initial lines produced by tail -f ? |
| 21:07.17 | digistyl3 | stew: so if i use an ftp server, i set the umask variable in the config file to 002? |
| 21:07.19 | kittonian | GNU\colossus, how about the Tyan n3400b with the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3ghz? |
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| 21:07.33 | stew | digistyl3: yes |
| 21:08.16 | GNU\colossus | kittonian: a nice combination |
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| 21:10.32 | pocukrani | i want to install debian etch, i have windows with C and D partition and i want to install debian on C partition.Can i keep D disk becouse there i have data ? |
| 21:10.44 | kittonian | GNU\colossus, cool, what 2U rackmount chassis do you recommend to go with that? |
| 21:11.39 | digistyl3 | stew: it worked, now files created have write permissions for groups, can i specify with what owner-group will files be created? for example i want it to be created with other than my user's group (with another one i'm member of) |
| 21:11.51 | coucou747 | bye |
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| 21:12.03 | GNU\colossus | kittonian: we use chenbro and chieftec |
| 21:12.19 | GNU\colossus | both are quite fine |
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| 21:13.04 | widrone | pocukrani: You can, just be carefull when you choose partitions to install too. And do have some backups before you start if you are unsure. |
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| 21:14.09 | widrone | pocukrani: You do realise that windows will be gone if you install debian in the "C" drive thu, but that wont matter Im guessing ;) |
| 21:14.42 | garo | !tell me about doesn't work |
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| 21:15.39 | jeward | Hi, I have a problem getting the second nic to initialize in a server after upgrade to etch. Anyone here who was working with me on this an hour ago? |
| 21:15.57 | stew | digistyl3: for files created by the ftp server? |
| 21:15.58 | pocukrani | widrone, it`s for friend`s PC, i already have debian system |
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| 21:16.30 | digistyl3 | stew: yes, mostly ftp (sometimes we use SSH too) |
| 21:17.00 | stew | digistyl3: from ssh, you can run "newgrp groupname" before you create the file. |
| 21:17.23 | widrone | pocukrani: Just be sure to know what partiotion is assigned to c/d in the windows world of his/hers then, so you dont end up nuking all the personal data. But its not that hard if you just go slow... |
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| 21:18.30 | widrone | pocukrani: If you got the know about pertitions and how disks are mounted etc you should have no problem. |
| 21:18.46 | widrone | pocukrani: Partitions that is ;) |
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| 21:19.07 | pocukrani | widrone, i must to found some guide to configure partitions |
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| 21:19.40 | S4nD3r | I have etch, is it possible to install gnome 2.20? |
| 21:20.14 | garo | !wiki debian |
| 21:20.15 | vickybot | garo: Error: "wiki" is not a valid command. |
| 21:20.18 | toor | S4nD3r: compile it by hand |
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| 21:20.31 | S4nD3r | how ? |
| 21:20.39 | S4nD3r | I found gnome to download |
| 21:20.41 | toor | get the sources, read the manual |
| 21:20.43 | S4nD3r | is there many files |
| 21:20.57 | widrone | pocukrani: First use the tools in windows to see what partition is linked to c and d. Im guessing c is hda1 and D is hda 2. |
| 21:20.58 | S4nD3r | I downloaded gargnome |
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| 21:21.02 | S4nD3r | garnome |
| 21:21.06 | digistyl3 | stew: and is there a way set the newly created file's owner-group in proftpd? |
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| 21:21.20 | stew | digistyl3: no |
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| 21:21.23 | widrone | pocukrani: Just to be safe, but if they are different sizes that could id them asw. |
| 21:21.36 | S4nD3r | its so dificult |
| 21:21.41 | Rahsputin | !paste |
| 21:21.41 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:21.47 | aredhel | S4nD3r, it's most likely quicker and or easyer to wait for gnome 2.20 to make it in to lenny and upgrade to lenny. |
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| 21:22.11 | pocukrani | widrone, yes |
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| 21:22.27 | stew | S4nD3r: wait for it to show up on backports.org |
| 21:22.35 | widrone | pocukrani: ie if the c drive is formated 32g and the d is 60gb then install debian on the 32g and leave the other alone. No mounting and nothing during install, add it to fstab later on. |
| 21:22.36 | S4nD3r | ummm |
| 21:22.37 | S4nD3r | snif |
| 21:22.41 | digistyl3 | stew: so if i want a truly shared directory between 2 users, i have to add eachother in eachother's groups? or tell them to chgrp files? |
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| 21:23.01 | stew | digistyl3: no, make the directory g+s and owned by a group they ar both in |
| 21:23.11 | pocukrani | widrone, ok |
| 21:23.14 | stew | haven't i mentioned this like 4 times |
| 21:23.17 | widrone | pocukrani: I have bootstrapped from one partition to another on a laptop many times, not a problem ;) |
| 21:24.04 | S4nD3r | lenny will come just in march? |
| 21:24.19 | stew | S4nD3r: nobody knows when it will be released |
| 21:24.35 | widrone | When its ready! (TM) |
| 21:24.43 | stew | S4nD3r: it is not likely to be as soon as march |
| 21:24.56 | widrone | Or was that the etch release date, I forget. |
| 21:25.03 | pocukrani | widrone, i will see tomorrow :) |
| 21:25.14 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 21:25.50 | widrone | pocukrani: Cant remember the disktool in windows, but you can pry som info off that to be safe before you start loading di. |
| 21:25.57 | widrone | pocukrani: Good luck! ;) |
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| 21:27.03 | pocukrani | widrone, ty :) |
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| 21:31.05 | widrone | pocukrani: And use the time to tell your friend about backups! (Even real men should do that) |
| 21:31.51 | digistyl3 | stew: thank you very much for your help, it works fine :) |
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| 21:34.56 | pocukrani | widrone, ofcourse; friend wants to have linux any case, and no any more windows, to keep wishes for only partition D with data |
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| 21:38.30 | sine | how can i check how much memory i have/in use |
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| 21:39.31 | ljlolel | when i do apt-get source, to where does it download the source? |
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| 21:39.40 | widrone | sine: free? |
| 21:39.51 | aredhel | ljlolel, the current dir. |
| 21:39.52 | sine | yea whstever |
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| 21:40.06 | sine | how much mem i got |
| 21:40.11 | ljlolel | oh wow |
| 21:40.13 | ljlolel | haha, thanks |
| 21:40.23 | aredhel | ljlolel, it works as a normal user. |
| 21:40.32 | streuner | sine: dmidecode |
| 21:40.56 | streuner | !info dmidecode |
| 21:40.59 | dpkg | dmidecode: (Dump Desktop Management Interface data), section utils, is important. Version: 2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 21:41.04 | wols_ | ljlolel: to . |
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| 21:41.13 | wols_ | sine: ls -al /proc/kcore and you know |
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| 21:41.44 | wols_ | and you can check how much is in use with "free" (note you NEVER have free memory, free memory is wasted memory) |
| 21:41.50 | The-Kernel | hi, I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/714030 |
| 21:42.10 | sine | oh so the memory just gets redistributed |
| 21:42.20 | Zelest | Where can I specify what locales to use? (so I can write swedish/special characters on IRC :P) |
| 21:42.29 | wols_ | !tell Zelest about locales |
| 21:42.35 | Zelest | thanks :D |
| 21:42.48 | wols_ | sine: memory not used by programs is automatically diskcache |
| 21:43.01 | The-Kernel | what should I do? |
| 21:44.36 | jgarvey | is there some trick (kernel command line needs = ???) to getting a third ide interface to work (/dev/hde, /dev/hdf)? |
| 21:44.50 | streuner | sine: dmidecode -t memory |
| 21:45.08 | wols_ | jgarvey: yes. load the driver for it |
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| 21:45.40 | jgarvey | wols_: how would the third ide interface be any different than the first or second, driver wise? |
| 21:46.06 | sine | ta wols |
| 21:46.17 | sine | im having a good look in the proc folder too |
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| 21:48.17 | widrone | jgarvey: dmesg should have it loading the module and detecting the disk, if it iant in there maybe you got different hw on the 2nd ide controller (/dev/hde-h) |
| 21:48.39 | wols_ | jgarvey: I don't know any IDE chip that has more than 2 interfaces. which means a mobo maker has to put an addiotnal chip on the mobo |
| 21:49.08 | wols_ | and since the first is in the southbridge, they certainly won't add another southbridge eevn if they could which they can't anyways |
| 21:49.14 | jgarvey | widrone, wols_: a thinkpad in a dock has 3 ide interfaces. |
| 21:49.51 | widrone | jgarvey: Ah, you got a dock with ide in it I recon then. |
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| 21:50.21 | wols_ | jgarvey: might as well be but no intel chipset has 3 interfaces |
| 21:50.27 | wols_ | nowadays they don't even have 1 |
| 21:50.49 | widrone | jgarvey: Thinkpad t? |
| 21:50.51 | wols_ | which means it's a chip from a different vendor which means you need a different driver |
| 21:50.58 | jgarvey | widrone: tp42p |
| 21:51.24 | wols_ | jgarvey: lspci should help you to decide which |
| 21:51.59 | widrone | jgarvey: try thinkwiki.org maybe, they got good hw info on what in them. |
| 21:52.57 | widrone | jgarvey: Or the http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html for all the links if that turns up empty. |
| 21:53.51 | jgarvey | wols_: you win a cookie. It's a silicon image chip, and the driver isn't in my kernel. Nuts. Stupid mistake on my part. Thanks. |
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| 22:00.27 | level1_ | I'm trying to install a package in ubuntu using a chroot (I'm in debian)... apt doesn't seem to like it, is there something else I have to do, like populate the /dev/ list? |
| 22:01.04 | wols_ | ljlolel: you cannot install ubuntu packages in debian. well you can but it's not supported |
| 22:01.28 | wols_ | level1_: ^^ |
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| 22:02.27 | level1_ | wols_: well, I installed a package on ubuntu called kwlan with removed NetworkManager and I didn't catch it... so before I know it, I don't have network access and the only way to reinstall NetworkManager is to get network access |
| 22:02.36 | elementz | guys, is there a way to use the 'shred'-command in a similar way like 'rm -rf' ? since i have a dir foo/ somefiles / subdir_foo2 -> 'shred uvfz' is not working here |
| 22:02.37 | level1_ | wols_: why is ubuntu so retarded? |
| 22:02.43 | Ronin | level1_: ask them |
| 22:03.16 | elementz | anybody got a hints for this? do i need to use find / grep / pipes of whatever to solve this? help highly appreciated ;-) |
| 22:03.32 | level1_ | wols_: if I chroot and then run apt-get, does it run /bin/apt-get or /path/to/chroot/bin/apt-get? |
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| 22:03.55 | level1_ | wols_: and more significantly, does it use the debian sources list or the ubuntu sources list? |
| 22:04.24 | elementz | ?? |
| 22:05.44 | colera | i am installing a torque resource manger, when i run configure it fails because it says "eror: C compiler cannot create executables", any ideas? |
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| 22:06.25 | stew | colera: install build-essential |
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| 22:07.23 | colera | stew: cool, i'll try that, i guess having gcc isn't enough |
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| 22:09.00 | colera | stew: i think i needed g++ :) |
| 22:09.07 | colera | stew: thanks |
| 22:09.22 | stew | elementz: find /some/path -type f | xargs shred uvfz |
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| 22:12.18 | apol | is there anybody here using an updated debian sid+kde? |
| 22:12.31 | Ronin | apol: maybe, maybe not |
| 22:12.33 | dalias | i'm using sid and have konq and kword installed |
| 22:12.36 | dalias | but otherwise i don't use kde |
| 22:12.48 | dalias | i just find kword actually usable, unlike ooo |
| 22:13.03 | apol | I'm using it and flash doesn't work to me with konqueror (and nspluguinview gets the 100PU) |
| 22:13.08 | dalias | ah |
| 22:13.15 | apol | 100% of the CPU |
| 22:13.15 | dalias | i dont use proprietary plugins so i wouldnt know |
| 22:13.23 | apol | since the last upgrade |
| 22:13.24 | sine | if i reformat my main partition into 2 and install xp on the second bit will it overwrite the mbr and ill only be able to boot into windows |
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| 22:13.38 | dalias | sine, maybe, i dunno |
| 22:13.40 | stew | sine: yes |
| 22:13.43 | colera | anyone know a good wireless network manager that i could use with xfce |
| 22:13.46 | dalias | but you can boot your debian from a boot cd or floppy |
| 22:13.51 | dalias | and then rerun grub or lilo |
| 22:13.52 | Ronin | stew: yes but you can fix that |
| 22:14.02 | dalias | btw |
| 22:14.03 | Ronin | doh |
| 22:14.08 | widrone | sine: win usually nuke the mbr, just install linux and grub afterwards. |
| 22:14.08 | stew | Ronin: thanks |
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| 22:14.14 | dalias | some bios have an option to write-protect the mbr, don't they? |
| 22:14.24 | elementz | stew, thx man -> solved it like this just now: $>find . -type f -execdir shred -uvfz '{}' \; |
| 22:14.26 | dalias | they often call it 'virus protection' i think |
| 22:14.32 | Ronin | i meant sine: yes but you can fix that, damn tab key |
| 22:14.33 | Piukeman | i lost the password of my old nickname in freenode.....is there a way of restore it... |
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| 22:14.57 | sine | im going to reinstall debian again |
| 22:15.00 | dalias | piukeman, if your email is registered you can have it emailed to you i think... |
| 22:15.16 | Ronin | sine: no need to reinstall,less you want to of course |
| 22:15.30 | sine | well i suppose not |
| 22:15.36 | Piukeman | dalias, yes my mail is registered...... do you know the way ......to do this |
| 22:15.45 | sine | i can repartition the main drive from within linux ? |
| 22:15.48 | dalias | join the support channel and ask them |
| 22:15.59 | dalias | sorry i don't know the answer myself |
| 22:16.00 | sine | or do i have to reboot into partition prog |
| 22:16.07 | colera | i have an interesting issue on my laptop. When i login to gnome i can change my wireless settings and what not through the gui. however if i try to bring that iface up and down via 'ifup' on the command line it says the iface doesn't exist. I could always manage my wireless card on the command line with previous versions of debian |
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| 22:16.37 | widrone | sine: thats is usually a good idea, linux tools are probably to be prefered. |
| 22:16.47 | sine | i would like to reinstall debian again, basically i want to understand grub and the mbr |
| 22:17.14 | Piukeman | anybody know the way of restoring a passowrd of a nickname ......(freenode.net) |
| 22:17.29 | Ronin | Piukeman: ask in #freenode |
| 22:17.50 | Piukeman | Ronin, thanks |
| 22:17.52 | stew | Piukeman: "/stats p" will list on-duty staff, /msg a staff member |
| 22:18.23 | colera | sine: i've used one in the past that was on a knoppix cd, i think it was qtparted. worked well |
| 22:19.06 | stew | colera: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 22:19.12 | sine | if i reinstall debian i can go through the partitioning process and leave a partition as ntfs and then isntall xp on it afterwards? |
| 22:19.33 | kittonian | anyone know what power supply wattage i should be using with the amd athlon 64 x2 dual core cpu and tyan atx motherboard? |
| 22:19.43 | kittonian | 600w? 550w? |
| 22:19.59 | stew | sine: yes. its recommended to install xp first so that linux overwrites the xp bootloader and not vice-versa |
| 22:20.17 | widrone | sine: You can partition off a segment and leave it for the win install, maybe you can get it to foramt and install to that. But I dont think a debian installer can make you a ntfs partition. |
| 22:20.30 | stew | widrone: sure it can |
| 22:20.39 | jellynet | can I go back to the installer after I am already done installing? |
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| 22:20.54 | stew | jellynet: no, but why do you want to? |
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| 22:21.04 | sine | i was going to say it can do the other bells and whistles but not parition some hd space with ntfs ! |
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| 22:21.16 | jellynet | stew: it installed lilo instead of grub |
| 22:21.32 | widrone | stew: Ah, my latest di experience has been with arm low mem for the last years. Not needed to reinstall any of my other debian machines in a long time... |
| 22:21.36 | stew | jellynet: did you put / on raid or lvm? |
| 22:21.49 | jellynet | stew: yes, raid1 |
| 22:22.01 | stew | jellynet: then you can't use grub, and the installer knew this |
| 22:22.25 | stew | jellynet: if you create a separate /boot that isn't on raid, then you can use grub |
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| 22:23.17 | jellynet | stew: is there a way to do it with menus now or do I have to start over for that? |
| 22:23.21 | widrone | stew: Thanks for that tidbit, nice to know next time I am on a conversion path with my friends. |
| 22:23.39 | sine | gonna go for a reboot and check bios anyway brb |
| 22:24.01 | stew | widrone: d-i can create the ntfs parittion, but can't do anything with ntfs the filesystem |
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| 22:24.35 | stew | jellynet: no, there is no way to do it with menus. do you have unpartitioned free space on the drive now? |
| 22:25.10 | jellynet | stew: no, I was planning on stealing it from a swap |
| 22:25.12 | widrone | stew: Ah, create a partition and mark it as sutch indeed. But do di know to mkfs.ntfs? |
| 22:25.32 | garo | I'm having some problems with my sound and I am told that the new alsa should fix this, but the alsa in http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ is even older then the one in etch ?!? How is this possible ? |
| 22:25.43 | stew | widrone: no, no mkfs.ntfs |
| 22:26.04 | feisar0 | hi |
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| 22:26.39 | themill | Which is recommended for scripting, mktemp or tempfile? |
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| 22:30.23 | widrone | stew: Figure, thanks for clearing that up for me. Didnt think about the "set type 07" when partitioning. |
| 22:30.30 | muh2000 | thnx stew the nsswitch.conf was the problem... |
| 22:31.04 | sander | How can I find out whats wrong with my cdburner? |
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| 22:31.33 | widrone | sander: Start with some logs maybe, what wont it do? |
| 22:32.07 | sander | widrone, it dosnt work to burn or watch any cd's/dvd's |
| 22:32.32 | sander | its a sata dvd burner |
| 22:32.59 | toor | sander: do u run the burn program as root? |
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| 22:33.15 | wols_ | sander: does the kernel recongize your drive? |
| 22:33.27 | toor | sander: look if it as root works |
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| 22:33.49 | youbaba3 | Hi I had to delete my old root partition by hand and to copy the files over to the new one. Basically everything went well, except for some minor flaw: Nautilus is now showing some strange "8.8 GB Volume" (which is my new root) next to my CD drives, FAT partitions, etc. I guess that Icon shouldnt be there (as there are also none for my other /boot, /home, etc partitions). how can I get rid of it again? |
| 22:34.16 | muh2000 | need help with nss ldap login works username in shell is: "I have no name!@computer:~$" ldap.conf: http://nopaste.org/p/aZCxNFAEU libnss-ldap: http://nopaste.org/p/a4B3PPTUu pam_ldap: http://nopaste.org/p/aoylUyL78 pam.d/common-*: http://nopaste.org/p/asBAdYNRQ slapd.conf http://nopaste.org/p/ahP425Vhbb nss ldap http://nopaste.org/p/aqbYnSUzV isnt availaible... nsswitch.conf: http://nopaste.org/p/a3broU8Yrb |
| 22:35.55 | youbaba3 | thought it was some HAL problem, but the HAL guys have sent me here ("bug with your distro") |
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| 22:39.36 | jelly-home | youbaba3: a more concrete explanation could be useful... like what did you try with the hal guys and at what point did they conclude hal was working ok. It could be gnome's own caching the filesystems somewhere. |
| 22:40.14 | youbaba3 | jelly-home: tried nothing reallly. they (some guy) have just sent me here ;-) |
| 22:40.16 | jelly-home | youbaba3: for example, if you use xfce or kde, do they see the extra volume too? |
| 22:40.30 | youbaba3 | dont have kde or xfce |
| 22:40.42 | youbaba3 | no problem with my user settings tho |
| 22:40.46 | youbaba3 | I've tried it with another ser |
| 22:40.47 | youbaba3 | ser |
| 22:40.48 | youbaba3 | user |
| 22:40.49 | youbaba3 | same |
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| 22:41.18 | youbaba3 | back. |
| 22:41.54 | jelly-home | did they at least say it was a known issue with some distros? |
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| 22:43.21 | sixty6billy | hi, i can't figure out for the life of me where xdm calls the window manager. /etc/X11/Xsession makes no mention of it, and that's definitedly the Xsession file being used by xdm |
| 22:43.42 | The-Kernel | try gdm |
| 22:43.43 | jelly-home | youbaba3: was the other user newly created, or did it exist (and run gnome) with the old root fs too? |
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| 22:44.25 | toor | sixty6billy: do u wanna run some software with ur window manager start, huh? |
| 22:44.35 | toor | like a panel |
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| 22:45.16 | toor | sixty6billy: u have to look in ur home directory |
| 22:45.20 | jelly-home | sixty6billy: are you just trying to learn about things, or have a problem running something? |
| 22:45.23 | sixty6billy | toor: this is mainly out of interest... |
| 22:45.23 | jelly-home | !u |
| 22:45.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:45.28 | toor | sixty6billy: ok |
| 22:46.15 | youbaba3 | jelly-home: newly created |
| 22:46.21 | sixty6billy | toor: well, i'm also modifying my wm for various tasks, and in doing so getting an overall knowledge of how x/xdm/wm operate together. |
| 22:46.30 | youbaba3 | jelly-home: no didnt say anything about a known issue |
| 22:46.55 | sixty6billy | no .xsession or .Xsession in home dir. just errors and auth |
| 22:47.22 | jelly-home | sixty6billy: did you see that /etc/X11/Xsession also sources some other files (mainly, those in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/)? |
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| 22:47.53 | shamrock | Can anyone tell me please hoe to reset the "places" pane in nautilus - half of the things there I click on and get a nasty "can not mount" error even though they are mounted. |
| 22:47.54 | toor | sixty6billy: iam using etch and i have a .xsession in my home, and run pypanel and hotkeys with my windowmanager from this file |
| 22:48.27 | jelly-home | sixty6billy: "grep x-window-manager /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*" might yield interesting results. |
| 22:49.01 | sixty6billy | yeah, i couldn't really figure them out though. i searched them with grep for "ion", "ion2" and came up with nothing. |
| 22:49.15 | Gm4n | how would I rename all files in a directory to .filename? |
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| 22:49.50 | Baltazaar | It's been a while since I installed Debian... Like since potato. I still need only the first CD to make a basic install? |
| 22:49.54 | jelly-home | sixty6billy: well, it would be kind of dumb for it to have all the possible wms hardcoded somewhere... |
| 22:50.35 | shamrock | Baltazaar: did you look at the business card installers? |
| 22:50.54 | Baltazaar | shamrock: now what's that |
| 22:51.09 | sixty6billy | jelly-home: oh, absolutely.. x has enough hardcode as it is as far as i can tell. surely there's a config file that links x-window-manager to a specific wm? |
| 22:52.02 | jelly-home | sixty6billy: /usr/bin/x-window-manager is a symlink, managed by the "alternatives" system. |
| 22:52.27 | sixty6billy | jelly-home: ah, so i see |
| 22:53.00 | sixty6billy | jelly-home: and away i go off on another exploratory tangent... :) |
| 22:53.18 | jelly-home | sixty6billy: man update-alternatives ... for example, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager lets you choose the default (if you have multiple alternatives installed) |
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| 22:53.56 | sixty6billy | jelly-home: yeah i think i saw mention of pwm2 or some-such along the way. cheers |
| 22:54.13 | shamrock | Baltazaar: google is your friend ..... http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:54.20 | colera | i am trying to install freenx, the repo that dpkg gave me is unresponsive, anyone know where i can get freenx packages? |
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| 22:55.09 | toor | anybody knows a good howto about dump/restore? :P |
| 22:55.19 | toor | in german maybe? :o)) |
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| 22:56.03 | streuner | !de |
| 22:56.03 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 22:57.15 | Baltazaar | looks like the business-card and netinst isn't available for "testing" |
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| 22:58.47 | Baltazaar | could I just install a base system and change apt sources to testing and do a apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:59.12 | streuner | dpkg, no de is <reply> deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, freenode or irc.belwue.de) |
| 22:59.12 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 23:00.02 | streuner | Baltazaar: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 23:01.36 | jelly-home | Baltazaar: there are snapshot images at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:03.36 | streuner | dpkg, no de is <reply> deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, freenode or irc.belwue.de) |
| 23:03.36 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 23:05.04 | unlink | is there a tickless kernel build for amd64? |
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| 23:08.20 | empath | hey all! |
| 23:08.30 | empath | recommend a vmtool? |
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| 23:11.14 | Wyzard | unlink: No, not yet |
| 23:11.22 | Wyzard | unlink: I think that's supposed to be in .23 or .24 |
| 23:11.59 | Wyzard | empath: VMware, Xen, qemu, VirtualBox |
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| 23:13.21 | empath | Wyzard, yea but which one is best? Is there a virtual harddrive format/file that is compatible with all of them so I dont need to like create a sh'tload of different ones for each app if i decide to use them all? |
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| 23:13.50 | stew | unlink: no, its so far, impossible |
| 23:14.05 | unlink | oh, ok |
| 23:14.08 | stew | unlink: it was disabled in the kernel.org kernels becuase there are still bugs to be worked out in 64 bit |
| 23:14.13 | orlandoj | hi all. I have an Windows like Print Server. How to configure the Debian to print in this machine ? The printer is an HP LaserJet 1300 and the Machine have Windows2000 |
| 23:14.17 | Wyzard | empath: VMware is the most mature and user-friendly, but it's non-free |
| 23:14.41 | empath | ok |
| 23:15.04 | Wyzard | empath: VirtualBox is kinda like VMware, and free, but I don't think it's quite as powerful, and the UI is rather ugly |
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| 23:15.36 | Nyle | good evening |
| 23:15.46 | empath | well, for gaming i guess I shouldnt emulate |
| 23:16.15 | Wyzard | empath: Virtualization isn't a good solution for gaming currently... no 3D acceleration (except some experimental support in VMware that doesn't work very well) |
| 23:16.19 | Nyle | Wyzard: one main function that it does not share with vmware is that it doesn't allow you to use a physical disk for the virtual os |
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| 23:16.28 | Nyle | which I why I sometimes go with vmware |
| 23:16.29 | sferley | Hi .. new to debian.. trying to figure out when i have a debian box on one network it can't be accessed from another. Thought it might have been iptables rule, but can't seem to find any iptables configs on the system. Anyone have any idea where else to look? |
| 23:16.34 | empath | Wyzard, thats what i thought.. |
| 23:16.50 | Nyle | Wyzard: I like to mount /home in virtual os too |
| 23:17.05 | Wyzard | Nyle: Mount it from where? |
| 23:17.46 | Wyzard | Nyle: Not your real /home, I hope... it's not safe to mount a filesystem from two OSes at the same time |
| 23:17.47 | Nyle | the /home is 500gb disk, 1 partition, with vmware I can use the physical disk as one of the disks used in vmware, and mount it as /home |
| 23:17.56 | Wyzard | ok |
| 23:18.09 | Nyle | Wyzard: is it really not safe like this? |
| 23:18.35 | Wyzard | Nyle: It's fine as long as the VM is the only thing which has that partition mounted |
| 23:18.42 | Nyle | oph yeah |
| 23:18.43 | Wyzard | Nyle: but if it's the same /home partition used by your host OS, that's a bad idea |
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| 23:18.47 | Nyle | i mean when im in windows that is |
| 23:18.53 | Nyle | i don't use virtualization under linux |
| 23:18.56 | Nyle | i have no need |
| 23:19.09 | Nyle | i doubt i'll ever need to run windows in linux in vm |
| 23:19.21 | Wyzard | I have some Windows VMs |
| 23:19.30 | Wyzard | for things like IE-only websites |
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| 23:19.41 | Nyle | yup |
| 23:20.10 | Nyle | i do web dev at work, and i use my sid machine there, and i don't have to load it inside linux, we have all windows pc at work |
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| 23:20.39 | Nyle | thankfully the owner officially started supporting linux clients too in his business |
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| 23:22.22 | Nyle | virtual box is still a pretty good software I suppose, for free, it works. It gets the job done |
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| 23:23.08 | empath | ok, well thanks guys, i'll fix this thing... its a shame im addicted to games :/ |
| 23:23.28 | Nyle | I actually am on windows right now, logged into my server using irssi from there |
| 23:23.36 | jelly-home | it _almost_ works. More often than not my virtualized XP hangs at boot |
| 23:23.40 | Nyle | I got Doom3 + expansion and oblivion + both expansions right now |
| 23:23.46 | Nyle | I mostly only play oblivion though |
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| 23:24.17 | Nyle | empath: just install windows first, then linux |
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| 23:24.29 | Nyle | empath: dual boot is the way to go if you are a gamer and also want to use linux, or two machines |
| 23:24.39 | semprix | Nyle == stoned |
| 23:24.43 | semprix | sup Nyle |
| 23:24.54 | jelly-home | vmware-server (costs $0) is still much more stable than vbox IME |
| 23:25.07 | Nyle | empath: if you have a good enough machine, you could also use something like colinux under windows xp, with xming and xdmcp or xming and sshx |
| 23:25.29 | Nyle | empath: in fact the latter solution would be best if you need linux functionality within windows, as i dont much care for cygwin, I won't talk about it |
| 23:25.37 | Nyle | you can run debian inside colinux and its great |
| 23:25.42 | Nyle | much faster than any vm |
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| 23:26.04 | empath | hm |
| 23:26.09 | Nyle | !colinux |
| 23:26.09 | dpkg | somebody said colinux was http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
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| 23:26.13 | empath | thanks Nyle, i'll see what i do |
| 23:26.29 | The-Kernel | hi I just ran sudo apt-get upgrade and now xserver won't work, I just got it to run with vesa, but its an intel i845 |
| 23:26.32 | Nyle | sure |
| 23:26.37 | Nyle | semprix: hi |
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| 23:27.14 | The-Kernel | should i try with the Intel or the i810 options? |
| 23:28.16 | empath | seems cedega may support a game i wanna game, soon :) perhaps, we will see, but a win install wouldnt be bad, especially if I need it for school sometimes |
| 23:28.24 | Nyle | cedega is outdated |
| 23:28.35 | The-Kernel | well I'm going with the Intel,seeing that no one said anythign |
| 23:28.36 | Nyle | it never works on anything except diablo 2 |
| 23:28.39 | The-Kernel | brb hopefully |
| 23:28.41 | Nyle | well it works, but horribly slow |
| 23:28.59 | empath | i have a nvidia 6800 something card, intel core 2 duo something.. this laptop cost a fortune :P |
| 23:29.00 | jelly-home | The-Kernel: good thing you waited for an answer |
| 23:29.25 | cureless | alright, I'm going nuts about this. Does anybody know the exact path icedove takes to invoke a browser? |
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| 23:29.40 | Nyle | I think it is probably good with nvidia, as I remember running Painkiller Special Edition inside cedega on a debian sid last year, beautiful, on a p4 3.2ghz 512ram |
| 23:30.25 | Nyle | however, now even though I have a core 2 3.5ghz (still thats not important), but now I have a ati x1900xtx with fglrx and cedega/painkiller runs at like literally 1 frame in 5 seconds |
| 23:30.46 | Nyle | I can only conclude that it is fglrx doing this, as other people have no problem whome I've spoken with about this |
| 23:31.13 | Nyle | the ones with nvidia cards, have not come across ati users who play with cedega |
| 23:31.30 | sinizzl | /win 1 |
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| 23:31.48 | Nyle | sinizzl: use meta+1,2,3etc. |
| 23:31.53 | sinizzl | lol |
| 23:31.54 | sinizzl | :D |
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| 23:31.58 | sinizzl | doesn't work |
| 23:32.01 | Nyle | by default it is the escape key, |
| 23:32.06 | Nyle | Esc + 1 |
| 23:32.09 | sinizzl | i use mac os x terminal |
| 23:32.12 | The-Kernel | ok now neither the i810 or the Intel works |
| 23:32.15 | Nyle | i thought you were on irssi |
| 23:32.17 | sinizzl | but irssi runs on my debian server and i connect to it using screen |
| 23:32.17 | Nyle | my fault |
| 23:32.20 | The-Kernel | what should I do? |
| 23:32.21 | sinizzl | Nyle: i am |
| 23:32.25 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 23:32.39 | sinizzl | Nyle: but some nasty bug prevents any 'special' key from working as soon as i use screen on a remote machine |
| 23:32.40 | The-Kernel | should I do vesa or vga? |
| 23:32.48 | sinizzl | Nyle: all i can say it's REALLY annoying :D |
| 23:32.53 | Nyle | sinizzl: I am not familiar with anything past os 8 |
| 23:32.56 | sinizzl | especially if u want to /scrollback |
| 23:33.04 | Nyle | I can immagine :( |
| 23:33.25 | Nyle | I have a powerbook 3400c running debian sarge/testing |
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| 23:33.29 | sinizzl | Nyle: oh from what i can tell it's really neat because it's soooooooooooooooooo completely intuitive... but that screen issue sux :D |
| 23:33.37 | Nyle | unfortunately I still can't do X with it |
| 23:33.45 | Nyle | some crazy driver issue with the onboard graphics chip |
| 23:33.58 | sinizzl | ;-( |
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| 23:34.06 | sinizzl | powerbook 3400c is pretty old, isn't it ? |
| 23:34.08 | Nyle | it does nethack, runs a few services, its good |
| 23:34.12 | sinizzl | hehehehehehehe |
| 23:34.13 | Nyle | yes from late 1997 |
| 23:34.16 | sinizzl | omg |
| 23:34.22 | Nyle | someone gave it to me, so I kept it |
| 23:34.26 | sinizzl | it's late 2007... so that thing must be about 3 years old? :D |
| 23:34.53 | Nyle | I have my laptop from 1992 as well, CompuAdd machine, 25.33mhz cpu, 386sx, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd |
| 23:34.59 | Nyle | still runs great :) |
| 23:35.05 | sinizzl | neat! |
| 23:35.47 | widrone | sinizzl: Im on irssi in a screen connecting from a Mac, the hell is getting | and meta+7 to work ;) |
| 23:35.53 | jelly-home | Nyle: good for old DOS games! |
| 23:36.02 | Nyle | jelly-home: oh yeah, kings quest baby! |
| 23:36.09 | sinizzl | widrone: i ordered an external (Wireless) apple keyboard |
| 23:36.18 | sinizzl | because i thought all the brackets, pipe and stuff would be available on it |
| 23:36.27 | Nyle | and tim too, The incredible machine, you are familiar with TIM jelly-home |
| 23:36.34 | cloakable | heh |
| 23:36.34 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:36.41 | sinizzl | guess what: i was wrong..... i payed hella money for it (as a high price for a keyboard can get) |
| 23:36.48 | sinizzl | the incredible machein!!!!1 |
| 23:36.54 | sinizzl | it's soooooooo schweet. |
| 23:37.03 | DustyDingo | does anyone know, if the cinelerra debian package contains the origignal cinelerra release from heroine virtual or if it is the community version aka cinelerra-cv? |
| 23:37.04 | sinizzl | omg how awesome that game was |
| 23:37.13 | Nyle | thats from my days in 5th-th grade |
| 23:37.19 | Nyle | er.. |
| 23:37.21 | sinizzl | DustyDingo: unfortunately no idea ^_^ |
| 23:37.21 | jmichaelx | i am running KDE with lenny, and am happy except that some apps, firefox or pidgin for example, have this really boxy look. is there a setting i can change to make such apps look more qt-ish or kde-ish? |
| 23:37.33 | widrone | sinizzl: Im not the wireless keyboard guy. Got enough stuff running from batteries here already. |
| 23:37.35 | Nyle | jmichaelx: you are in luck |
| 23:37.44 | Nyle | jmichaelx: aptitude install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 23:37.48 | sinizzl | jmichaelx: there's a qt-gtk plugin that let's em look more or less like ur qt engine |
| 23:37.56 | sinizzl | kekekeke Nyle |
| 23:38.01 | Nyle | jmichaelx: then go to kcontrol>appearance>gtk styles |
| 23:38.05 | jmichaelx | thank you all very much :-D |
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| 23:38.17 | Nyle | jmichaelx: I would install gtk2-engines-xfce |
| 23:38.20 | sinizzl | widrone: well... i'm about to sell it unfortunately nobody wants a keyboard that runs exclusively on OS X ;-( |
| 23:38.28 | Nyle | jmichaelx: very small package, with lots of good looking gtk themes |
| 23:38.32 | Nyle | gtk2 I mean |
| 23:38.33 | sinizzl | it _needs_ bluetooth too |
| 23:38.40 | widrone | sinizzl: I did find some docs online that got me connecting to my debian running screen/irssi without any trouble. |
| 23:38.57 | Nyle | you do know that there is an irssi gui wrapper for os x |
| 23:39.01 | Nyle | my coworker uses it |
| 23:39.03 | widrone | sinizzl: It needs bluetooth yes, but I think its an HID standard in there somewhere. |
| 23:39.05 | sinizzl | widrone: well.... i haven't really looked for it.... i guess i should give it a try someday... |
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| 23:39.09 | Nyle | I don't know what it is is called though |
| 23:39.12 | sinizzl | widrone: it actually is. |
| 23:39.41 | sinizzl | it *does* work with one specific driver on Windows XP. unfortunately that driver is bound to a specific class (namely from teh same manufacturer) of bluetooth dongles |
| 23:40.09 | sinizzl | guess what: mine does not work with that driver... it does work on os x though.... |
| 23:40.30 | sinizzl | i guess i can use it when i finally got an apple tv hacked to be an OS X computer |
| 23:40.41 | sinizzl | connect the usb-bluetooth dongle: there u go wireless mouse&keyboard |
| 23:41.00 | sinizzl | obtaining the hardware is the biggest problem as of now :D |
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| 23:41.40 | sinizzl | if the keyboard was supported by linux |
| 23:41.43 | sinizzl | i'd run debian on it |
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| 23:42.05 | Nyle | I would like to run debian on my gameboy advance sp |
| 23:42.12 | sinizzl | hehe |
| 23:42.15 | Nyle | right now its only got some crappy windows lookalike os |
| 23:42.17 | jmichaelx | hmm, i cannot find gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, says it has no installation candidate |
| 23:42.23 | sinizzl | can you run debian on a TI89 ? |
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| 23:42.24 | Nyle | oh hm |
| 23:42.31 | eclipse_ | where can I re configure my XOrg resolutions ? |
| 23:42.32 | Nyle | !info gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 23:42.35 | eclipse_ | I mean not manually |
| 23:42.38 | Nyle | !info gtk2-engines-gtk-qt etch |
| 23:42.41 | dpkg | gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: (transitional dummy package), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:0.7-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 23:42.43 | sinizzl | because not having a bash shell is the only thing that i don't like about my TI 89 |
| 23:42.44 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:42.50 | Nyle | its in etch, but not in lenny/sid |
| 23:42.59 | jmichaelx | ok, that is the reason |
| 23:43.04 | Nyle | just tod this then |
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| 23:43.46 | Nyle | apt-get install xfce4-mcs-manager xfce4-mcs-plugins gtk2-engines-xfce |
| 23:43.59 | Nyle | this will install a very minimal and very light weight xfce control panel |
| 23:44.07 | jmichaelx | Nyle: ty much again |
| 23:44.17 | Nyle | you launch it by doing the binary command xfce-setting-show |
| 23:44.34 | eclipse_ | where can I re configure my XOrg resolutions ?, not manually |
| 23:44.38 | Nyle | in the settings, just click User Interface button, and configure theme, font, anti aliasing |
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| 23:44.42 | Nyle | whatever you want |
| 23:44.47 | karsten | Very lightweight, makes you talk squeaky. |
| 23:44.54 | eclipse_ | how can I add new resolutions to xorg.conf not manully ? |
| 23:45.05 | karsten | eclipse_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:45.08 | eclipse_ | thanks |
| 23:45.15 | eclipse_ | that 's what I was looking for |
| 23:45.24 | diafic_ | sleep nao. Nini |
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| 23:45.52 | Nyle | jmichaelx: for a very minimal approach, you can install gtk-theme-switch and type 'switch' for changing gtk1 themes, or 'switch2' for gtk2 themes |
| 23:46.34 | Nyle | jmichaelx: i would go with the minimal xfce control panel option, as it is much more better, at the expese of a few extra packages |
| 23:46.43 | Nyle | still within few mb |
| 23:47.24 | sinizzl | Nyle: xfce's panel has some issues with the desktop pager when using compiz... u got by any chance any idea howto resolve that |
| 23:47.37 | Nyle | sinizzl: don't use it |
| 23:47.43 | sinizzl | compiz or the pager ? |
| 23:47.49 | Nyle | sinizzl: pager |
| 23:47.56 | Nyle | as xfce pager has no more meaning |
| 23:47.57 | sinizzl | Nyle: but i need it :D |
| 23:48.05 | sinizzl | so what should i use ? |
| 23:48.07 | Nyle | since the cube/desktop plugins in compiz are loaded they take over |
| 23:48.22 | Nyle | unload those beryl/compiz modules and maybe xfce pager will work |
| 23:48.26 | sixty6billy | is there any way of getting a wm to reload config files without restarting the x client? |
| 23:48.33 | sinizzl | yes.... but gnome-panel's pager does the job just fine too.... |
| 23:48.43 | Nyle | sinizzl: dunno, I don't mess with that stuff |
| 23:48.50 | Nyle | I'm a simple kde/blackbox user |
| 23:49.09 | Nyle | well, flux |
| 23:49.14 | sinizzl | Nyle: that's possible, only by deactivating desktopwall/cube and that's what i use compiz for. i use it for desktop wall and all the other effect's are turned off |
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| 23:49.43 | Nyle | sinizzl: then you are out of luck, no need for a pager, use mousewheel on desktop to spin the cube back and forth |
| 23:50.13 | Nyle | i do this in kde, mouswhell on desktop changes workspaces |
| 23:50.17 | Nyle | its a very nice-a |
| 23:51.00 | amphi | sinizzl: xfce4-panel works fine here with compiz |
| 23:51.30 | sixty6billy | Nyle: do you have to use a desktop environment such as kde or gnome to be able to print to your root background? |
| 23:51.32 | Nyle | amphi: pager, not panel |
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| 23:51.40 | Nyle | sixty6billy: come again? |
| 23:51.57 | amphi | Nyle: the pager behaves correctly here |
| 23:52.22 | amphi | Nyle: with a 3x3 viewport wall |
| 23:52.33 | jelly-home | I had to disable the cube if I wanted the workspaces to be arranged in two dimensions |
| 23:52.33 | sinizzl | amphi: the panel works fine here too.... only problem is its pager |
| 23:52.38 | Nyle | amphi: ok, then guide the man :) |
| 23:52.47 | Nyle | as I previously mentioned I don't use compiz |
| 23:52.51 | amphi | sinizzl: I'm on testing here, BTW |
| 23:53.04 | amphi | Nyle: oh, missed that ;) |
| 23:53.08 | sinizzl | amphi: if i'm telling u what im on here too u'd kill me :D |
| 23:53.16 | sixty6billy | Nyle: basically having some the functionality of a desktop with a simple wm such as ion |
| 23:53.21 | amphi | sinizzl: eh? |
| 23:53.28 | sinizzl | amphi: nevermind |
| 23:53.30 | Nyle | dunno ion, but good luck with it |
| 23:53.39 | Nyle | sixty6billy: you defition of a desktop? |
| 23:53.48 | dv_ | ion is non-free now |
| 23:53.49 | amphi | sinizzl: you're on ubuntu or some such abomination? ;) |
| 23:53.54 | jelly-home | sinizzl: crack? |
| 23:53.56 | sinizzl | amphi: psssst |
| 23:54.00 | sinizzl | jelly-home: exactly!!!!1 |
| 23:54.07 | Nyle | you want icons, you want mouseless? you want a minimal functional desktop/wm or something with frills |
| 23:54.07 | sinizzl | lol. |
| 23:54.13 | Nyle | you decide, you pick |
| 23:54.44 | sixty6billy | Nyle: minimal desktop |
| 23:54.58 | Nyle | typically a desktop consists of a taskbar with desktop icons and a window manager |
| 23:55.02 | phogg | sixty6billy: you could just run kdesktop with ion |
| 23:55.15 | sinizzl | mhhh.... creating an entirely custom desktop is one of teh schweetest thing about debian, or linux in general |
| 23:55.19 | phogg | sixty6billy: if all you want is icons and such |
| 23:55.22 | Nyle | sinizzl: try openbox |
| 23:55.26 | Nyle | er.. not sinizzl |
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| 23:55.34 | sinizzl | kukukuku |
| 23:55.38 | Nyle | sixty6billy: try any box wm, or icewm or actually here |
| 23:55.40 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 23:55.40 | dpkg | methinks xwinman is <URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/> |
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| 23:55.49 | Nyle | go here and look at the diff kinds of wm |
| 23:55.54 | Nyle | pick one you like and try it out |
| 23:56.18 | sixty6billy | Nyle:cheers, probably should figure out exactly what it is i want first. |
| 23:56.26 | Nyle | that would be helpful :) |
| 23:56.52 | Nyle | jelly-home: 2d pager? |
| 23:57.01 | sinizzl | i have a general question about debian: i have always used exclusively stable version, never even tried testing... how much more up to date is it compared to stable ? |
| 23:57.03 | sixty6billy | sixty6billy: just trying to keep it as simple as possible, adding functionality as i need it instead of getting one 'does everything' app. |
| 23:57.06 | Nyle | jelly-home: may I inquire as to what you use for your desktop? |
| 23:57.08 | jelly-home | Nyle: workspaces arranged in a 2d grid |
| 23:57.18 | jelly-home | 3x3 at present |
| 23:57.22 | Nyle | word |
| 23:57.29 | sinizzl | (yes, in over 5 years of debian i never tried testing) |
| 23:57.36 | Nyle | I am using blackbox on windows xp |
| 23:57.40 | sinizzl | lol |
| 23:57.45 | sinizzl | how;s that possible? |
| 23:57.48 | sinizzl | cygwin ? |
| 23:57.55 | jelly-home | Nyle: started with 2x2 on fvwm1 and expanded over the years ;-) |
| 23:57.59 | Nyle | I have a few kde apps running through xdmcp on my trusted network |
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| 23:58.12 | Nyle | Xming is the freaking shizboo |
| 23:58.16 | magyar | what software to use for xp virtualization? |
| 23:58.18 | Nyle | *mwah* |
| 23:58.19 | sinizzl | shizboo? |
| 23:58.26 | Nyle | !vm |
| 23:58.26 | dpkg | it has been said that vm is at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ |
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| 23:58.31 | sinizzl | magyar: qemu |
| 23:58.34 | sinizzl | or even better, kqemu |
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| 23:58.44 | sinizzl | runs xp like a dream |
| 23:58.47 | jelly-home | magyar: running xp in linux, or the opposite? |
| 23:58.49 | Nyle | virtualbox, vmware, qemu, bochs, etc. etc. |
| 23:58.58 | magyar | sinizzl: it's nice but the mouse won't work with 2.6.21 kernel |
| 23:58.59 | sinizzl | u dont even notice its virtualized |
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| 23:59.23 | sinizzl | magyar: the only computer i got that can run (k)qemu is a macbook running ubuntu gutsy |
| 23:59.30 | magyar | jelly-home: g*d forbit the opposite |
| 23:59.49 | jelly-home | magyar: I use vmware-server and virtualbox, those seem to be most user friendly |
