| 00:00.01 | maxamillion | abrotman: long story ... but i basically need to be able to check sid packages from a etch machine without having to bother with a virtual install or chroot |
| 00:00.09 | maxamillion | s/a/an |
| 00:00.10 | uberspaced | abrotman thanks, looking into it. |
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| 00:00.50 | abrotman | maxamillion: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image |
| 00:00.59 | en1gma | when i installed build-essential it installed alot of MBs now when i goto remove it, it only adds 32kb free space |
| 00:01.14 | en1gma | well really it says 20.5KB free space |
| 00:01.15 | abrotman | en1gma: apt-get or aptitude ? |
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| 00:01.20 | en1gma | apt-get |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | well .. that's what you get for using apt-get |
| 00:01.29 | en1gma | i installed it with apt-get |
| 00:01.48 | maxamillion | abrotman: thank you very much |
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| 00:02.16 | en1gma | usually it says something about ...files are no longer need type "apt-get autoremove" |
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| 00:03.00 | maxamillion | abrotman: actually the long story short is that i am about to get a new laptop and i am trying to decide if i should make etch work for it or just let the newer kernel of sid work for me .... it all boils down to how stable i need it to be ... which is my dilema |
| 00:03.08 | maxamillion | abrotman: well, thanks for your help ... i am outta here |
| 00:03.10 | en1gma | ok so i should re-install with 'apt-get install build-essential' then remove with aptitude? |
| 00:04.00 | en1gma | anyone? |
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| 00:05.43 | uberspaced | abrotman, only reference to MOTD in man page for rcS is EDITMOTD and that's deprecated |
| 00:05.48 | uberspaced | is there something I'm missing? |
| 00:06.03 | abrotman | # Set EDITMOTD to "no" if you don't want /etc/motd to be editted automatically |
| 00:06.03 | abrotman | EDITMOTD=yes |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | you don't have that in your /etc/default/rcS file ? |
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| 00:06.32 | uberspaced | abrotman nope |
| 00:06.36 | uberspaced | using debian etch |
| 00:06.40 | NicNac | what does cfdisk use as a default fs? |
| 00:07.14 | stoned | ext3 |
| 00:07.26 | NicNac | thanks |
| 00:07.29 | uberspaced | TMPTIME,SULOGIN,UTC,VERBOSE,FSCKFIX,RAMRUN,RAMLOCK |
| 00:07.31 | uberspaced | only ones. |
| 00:07.35 | stoned | well, partition type 82 i think as default if you create a new partition |
| 00:07.54 | stoned | thats linux, or 83, i forgot which is which, swap is 82 or maybe 83 whatever |
| 00:08.10 | abrotman | uberspaced: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh .. and /var/run/motd |
| 00:08.13 | NicNac | 83 is linux but it doesnt say if it is ext3 |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | the former is likely what is doing ig |
| 00:08.24 | abrotman | it |
| 00:09.29 | uberspaced | abrotman looking into it. |
| 00:09.37 | epsilon | just create the partition and use mkfs* for filesystem |
| 00:10.06 | uberspaced | abrotman that appears to be it. |
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| 00:10.19 | uberspaced | why the hell would they dynamically update the motd on boot like that |
| 00:10.32 | moshii | *installing |
| 00:10.48 | uberspaced | i guess they would want the most updated kernel version info in the motd or something |
| 00:10.52 | epsilon | BTW, does anyone made experience with ext4? is it stable enough in compare to ext3? |
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| 00:12.42 | shwouchk | Seb: ok, the whole box is locked up |
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| 00:13.40 | en1gma | are these all the packages that are in "build-essential" that i "CAN" remove without causing my computer to mess up? |
| 00:13.42 | en1gma | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/build-essential |
| 00:14.57 | shwouchk | For some reason after around half an hour my debian erver locks up completely. I usually access it via ssh, but I connected a screen and it's completely unresponsive. logs reveal nothing. what can I do? |
| 00:15.15 | stoned | format and reinstall |
| 00:15.26 | stoned | install some spyware tools also |
| 00:15.36 | stoned | shwouchk: no but seriously, check your rm |
| 00:15.40 | stoned | ram* runa memtest |
| 00:15.41 | en1gma | ha ha NOT |
| 00:15.51 | stoned | maybe your memory is defective and is locking the system |
| 00:15.52 | guk | it sounds like a RAM/CPU issue hardware mostly |
| 00:15.57 | guk | make sure it's keeping cool and check your RAM |
| 00:16.28 | stoned | guk: cpus usually shut down upon overheating |
| 00:16.31 | shwouchk | stoned: my what? |
| 00:16.40 | stoned | shwouchk: run a MEMTEST |
| 00:16.42 | stoned | !memtest |
| 00:16.42 | dpkg | methinks memtest is http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package |
| 00:17.08 | shwouchk | stoned: so hard to type those few extra letters. thanks |
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| 00:22.02 | majeru | hello |
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| 00:22.41 | majeru | i have updated one of my boxes and it crashed during the process |
| 00:22.58 | majeru | it looks like a glibc corruption |
| 00:23.45 | stoned | shwouchk: it was a typo. if you look on the next line, I corrected it. Don't be a dick to the person who is trying to help you. |
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| 00:24.27 | majeru | can anyone give me a hint on how I could recover it, because reinstall is almost out of discussion |
| 00:24.44 | majeru | and chroot from the install cd segfaults |
| 00:25.28 | Bogus8 | I guess there is no way to see what your "uptime" was after a crash and reboot? |
| 00:25.45 | Bogus8 | I guess I should have wrote a script that updated a file :( |
| 00:26.07 | majeru | Bogus8: about my issue? |
| 00:26.09 | shwouchk | stoned: my apologies |
| 00:26.21 | stoned | :) np |
| 00:26.29 | zenwryly | I have a virtual size different from the resolution selected by xorg. There's no mode in xorg.conf for the resolution the virtual size selected. Where do I set the virtual size? |
| 00:26.29 | shwouchk | :) |
| 00:26.43 | Bogus8 | majeru: not sure how a QUESTION about UPTIME can pertain to your situation |
| 00:27.15 | Bogus8 | which I don't even know because I just switched servers and don't have any log history of your question |
| 00:27.24 | majeru | sorry |
| 00:27.35 | stoned | majeru: which debian release? |
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| 00:27.42 | majeru | stoned: etch |
| 00:27.47 | majeru | stable |
| 00:27.56 | DavidProck1981 | did the flashplugin-nonfree package get messed up |
| 00:28.01 | stoned | you updated from sarge to etch, or from etch you just updated? |
| 00:28.14 | rahul | eeeeeeess teeee ooooooooooooooooh en ee dee. |
| 00:28.21 | majeru | stoned: just a minor etch update |
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| 00:28.29 | stoned | luhar |
| 00:28.34 | majeru | that happened to include the 17 august release |
| 00:28.45 | stoned | majeru: o_O |
| 00:28.49 | stoned | for real. |
| 00:29.18 | geo-rge | majeru: that's what your upgrading from, or to? |
| 00:29.35 | stoned | not an upgrade |
| 00:29.36 | stoned | just an update |
| 00:29.41 | DavidProck1981 | WHAT IS the proper package u need to install to get flash working, so u could do something simple as watch a video on youtube.com |
| 00:29.42 | majeru | i had etch stable before |
| 00:29.46 | stoned | seems to have fscked his libc |
| 00:30.06 | majeru | i gues sit was dist-upgrade |
| 00:30.16 | majeru | but still from etch |
| 00:30.38 | majeru | i've tried chroot, and it segfaults |
| 00:30.52 | majeru | boot process stalls after some bottom init message |
| 00:30.57 | en1gma | why does debian install so much "BLOAT" i even did a base install...for "/usr/share/i18n/locales" there is 50megs there i dont even need and my used disk space is 375 megs |
| 00:31.19 | DavidProck1981 | My wife was bitching her ass off cause flash stoped working, and i could not get it working or ANY prvious so i did a god damn format and now i have hte same problem |
| 00:31.26 | en1gma | when you select your language does it really need to install every language in the workd |
| 00:31.34 | majeru | and that happens even if is have init=/bin/sh in my grub line |
| 00:31.39 | stoned | DavidProck1981: oh boy, you're not getting laid until you get that flash up |
| 00:31.44 | stoned | DavidProck1981: better jump on the BTS |
| 00:31.45 | DavidProck1981 | but i do remember getting an up date on a flash package just before it happen |
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| 00:31.47 | geo-rge | en1gma: there are other distributions... it's your choice; never forget that |
| 00:31.58 | en1gma | i know but dang |
| 00:32.00 | stoned | DavidProck1981: also install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
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| 00:32.16 | DavidProck1981 | i use aptitude |
| 00:32.19 | en1gma | a "net-install" base install should not install 50megs of locales |
| 00:32.25 | rahul | DavidProck1981: aptitude uses apt |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: get it from adobe.com |
| 00:32.35 | majeru | also i've symlinked almost everything in /bin to busybox |
| 00:32.42 | majeru | still segfaults |
| 00:32.57 | stoned | I just use flash from their website |
| 00:33.04 | rahul | DavidProck1981: also, mplayer + youtube-dl :) |
| 00:33.05 | abrotman | the flash package in etch is broken |
| 00:33.09 | stoned | why do I want free when nonfree is just as good |
| 00:33.18 | geo-rge | what exactly segfaults? and what exactly is the message? |
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| 00:33.46 | majeru | geo-rge: chroot <mountpoint> /bin/sh |
| 00:33.48 | DavidProck1981 | something is wrong with flashplugin-nonfree cause i jused to use that aand it worked, now it is causeing crashes |
| 00:33.54 | majeru | just Segmentation fault |
| 00:34.10 | en1gma | i know i need to keep en_US in "/usr/share/i18n/locales" but what do i need to keep in "/usr/share/i18n/charmaps" i know i prob need utf-8 |
| 00:34.16 | majeru | nothing more or less |
| 00:34.24 | abrotman | the flash package in etch is broken |
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| 00:34.27 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: get it from adobe.com |
| 00:34.39 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: why not just use localepurge? |
| 00:34.54 | en1gma | dondelelcaro hmmm? |
| 00:34.57 | en1gma | let me google |
| 00:34.59 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 00:35.02 | DavidProck1981 | ok thanks, also would i need flashplayer-mozilla |
| 00:35.14 | majeru | geo-rge: do you have any suggestion? |
| 00:35.21 | stoned | i think that downloads flash from the website |
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| 00:35.40 | geo-rge | I don't really know what happened to your install... so no... |
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| 00:35.43 | majeru | busybox runs when called from the livecd |
| 00:36.30 | en1gma | dondelelcaro thats a package i need to grab 1 sec |
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| 00:36.52 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman who went messing with the flash package in etch and broke it? |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | adobe |
| 00:37.05 | lunk | is there a way to make an ssh tunnel an addressable, routeable interface? |
| 00:37.06 | geo-rge | did you check each bin you symlinked to see if it segfaults before you linked? |
| 00:37.29 | majeru | geo-rge: i tried to run each of them |
| 00:37.44 | geo-rge | and they each segfault? |
| 00:37.55 | DavidProck1981 | so they did that shit on porupos just os u haveto get it from thier site? |
| 00:38.04 | majeru | but since i couldnt chroot inside it most of them complained about libraried they couldnt find |
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| 00:38.27 | geo-rge | you might try installing sash on a different machine and then transferring it to the machine in question |
| 00:38.41 | lunk | \o/ vtun |
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| 00:38.51 | en1gma | dondelelcaro is there one for charmaps too |
| 00:38.53 | majeru | geo-rge: you mean dash, no? |
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| 00:39.10 | geo-rge | I never heard of dash |
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| 00:39.31 | geo-rge | so... no... |
| 00:39.44 | DavidProck1981 | ok WTF i just un installed all the flash packages i install and im still getting crashes |
| 00:39.46 | majeru | okay, i'll give that a try |
| 00:40.04 | en1gma | that localespurge ill use from now on but i already had deleted everything from that dir manually except en_US |
| 00:40.11 | majeru | but busybox is statically linked, afaik |
| 00:40.27 | cef | is there a good way to rename a ppp interface? I'd like consistent ppp names (don't have to be ppp*) for the interfaces so I can easily keep track of things. |
| 00:40.29 | geo-rge | it won't repair your system but it's a statically linked shell with some other stuff built in |
| 00:40.31 | en1gma | ./usr/share/i18n/charmaps however is still full |
| 00:40.34 | majeru | and should be able to replace almost anything |
| 00:40.54 | majeru | geo-rge: busybox is about the same thing |
| 00:41.12 | geo-rge | I'd suggest you run memtest86 on it for awhile |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | days |
| 00:41.25 | majeru | damn |
| 00:41.29 | geo-rge | to rule out the possibility it's hardware related |
| 00:41.45 | majeru | i had some hardware issues in the past |
| 00:41.55 | majeru | raid-related |
| 00:41.56 | geo-rge | on this same box? |
| 00:41.58 | majeru | yes |
| 00:42.03 | majeru | about a year ago |
| 00:42.11 | geo-rge | then rule out all hardware issues |
| 00:42.32 | majeru | one it failed to boot from hda, only from hdc |
| 00:42.44 | majeru | so i had to move grub to hdc |
| 00:42.45 | geo-rge | what did that turn out to be? |
| 00:42.58 | majeru | moving grub fixed it |
| 00:43.04 | geo-rge | the drive? the controller? the cable? |
| 00:43.14 | geo-rge | so you avoided finding out? |
| 00:43.23 | majeru | the drive works fine |
| 00:43.42 | majeru | i was glad i could fix it |
| 00:43.55 | geo-rge | so it's the controller or the cable then... is the controller on the motherboard? |
| 00:43.55 | majeru | never bothered what it was |
| 00:44.04 | geo-rge | bother now. |
| 00:44.04 | majeru | it is |
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| 00:44.24 | majeru | :) |
| 00:44.41 | majeru | geo-rge: the controller works for ordinary operations |
| 00:44.50 | majeru | it just failed to boot the OS |
| 00:45.04 | geo-rge | honestly I'm not expecting this to be a hardware issue... but you might as well know the details |
| 00:45.05 | majeru | so it may be the drive, some bad sector |
| 00:45.15 | mesof | anyone here us linuxtrade? |
| 00:45.38 | mesof | use* |
| 00:45.41 | majeru | i've seen a post on the mailing list about someone else who had similar issues about the same time |
| 00:46.12 | geo-rge | the url of that post? |
| 00:46.14 | majeru | but it was on a 32 bit chroot inside a 64 bit host |
| 00:46.22 | majeru | one sec |
| 00:46.26 | geo-rge | and you are using? |
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| 00:48.04 | majeru | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg35660.html |
| 00:48.17 | majeru | geo-rge: mine is not chrooted |
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| 00:49.11 | abrotman | mesof: no .. but that animated gif is crazy! |
| 00:49.28 | lunk | w |
| 00:49.29 | lunk | date |
| 00:49.29 | geo-rge | at this point I'm just collecting and organizing info... as I do so, you might form a web page with the questions I'm asking and the answers you're giving.... |
| 00:49.33 | lunk | gah, sorry.. |
| 00:49.38 | DavidProck1981 | hay what was that option that shows where all the files to a package are |
| 00:49.55 | DavidProck1981 | dpkg -SomeThing PackageName |
| 00:50.16 | geo-rge | DavidProck1981: dpkg --help |
| 00:50.17 | DavidProck1981 | what was hte something |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about refcard |
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| 00:51.08 | majeru | geo-rge: how could i reinstall everything (like aptitude -i~) |
| 00:51.32 | geo-rge | if you try that, do you think you'll get segfaults? |
| 00:51.43 | majeru | but having a relative root path, say /mnt instead of / |
| 00:51.58 | majeru | geo-rge: i think this could fix it |
| 00:52.11 | majeru | but i have no idea how i could do it |
| 00:52.20 | geo-rge | not sure you can do this relative root path thing |
| 00:52.37 | geo-rge | debian doesn't support that |
| 00:52.57 | majeru | if i only could chroot... |
| 00:53.09 | mesof | abrotman: what animated gif? |
| 00:53.21 | majeru | or that relative root |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | mesof: at the top of the project page |
| 00:53.42 | mesof | what page? |
| 00:54.00 | geo-rge | btw, I know this is extreme, but could you explain again why a full reinstall is out of the question? |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | mesof: google ? |
| 00:54.31 | mesof | yes, but which page? |
| 00:55.09 | DavidProck1981 | err fuck it, can some one tel me the answer to this problem, i use iceweasel |
| 00:55.09 | DavidProck1981 | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey, |
| 00:55.09 | DavidProck1981 | or Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): |
| 00:55.12 | geo-rge | right now it seems like every command you try segfaults |
| 00:56.16 | geo-rge | DavidProck1981: look at the file list of the mozilla package... btw, did you try their suggestion? |
| 00:56.41 | DavidProck1981 | n/m i just figure out i made a typo |
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| 00:57.03 | majeru | geo-rge: only as a last resort |
| 00:57.42 | majeru | geo-rge: only chroot segfaults |
| 00:58.05 | majeru | the binutils provided by busybox are working |
| 00:58.12 | geo-rge | oh, so maybe what's in the chroot is bad |
| 00:58.22 | majeru | yes |
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| 00:59.10 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way i can high contrast every thing, like back ground windows black and make hte text white |
| 00:59.10 | majeru | geo-rge: thanks for your assistance, i'll try again tomorrow |
| 00:59.10 | geo-rge | these binutils are outside the chroot? |
| 00:59.14 | majeru | geo-rge: inside |
| 00:59.33 | semprix | DavidProck1981, gtk themes? |
| 00:59.36 | majeru | in <mountdir>/bin |
| 00:59.40 | DavidProck1981 | just only messing with black and white |
| 00:59.56 | DavidProck1981 | semprix i would not know where to start |
| 00:59.56 | semprix | if you are using gnome use gnome-theme-manager |
| 01:00.05 | DavidProck1981 | im useing kde |
| 01:00.07 | geo-rge | so your entire system outside of the chroot is working fine? |
| 01:00.55 | semprix | DavidProck1981, http://www.antipope.org/charlie/linux/wibble/kde_themes.html |
| 01:01.18 | semprix | DavidProck1981, and you can find good themes here --> http://kde-look.org/ |
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| 01:01.27 | majeru | geo-rge: outside is the debian install cd |
| 01:01.49 | majeru | and i'm trying to chroot into my dead server |
| 01:01.57 | geo-rge | oh, and inside is your actual install? |
| 01:02.02 | majeru | yes |
| 01:02.17 | geo-rge | do you have a separate /home? |
| 01:02.24 | majeru | yes |
| 01:02.33 | geo-rge | what is the server's function?\ |
| 01:02.53 | majeru | file server for more than 1000 users |
| 01:03.05 | majeru | mirror, etc |
| 01:03.08 | geo-rge | where do they store their files? |
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| 01:03.24 | majeru | inside /home |
| 01:03.35 | geo-rge | nothing outside? |
| 01:03.40 | majeru | no |
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| 01:03.57 | geo-rge | do you have a separate box to test on? |
| 01:04.07 | majeru | not yet |
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| 01:04.18 | nn-gentoo | hi |
| 01:04.21 | majeru | tomorrow i will |
| 01:04.22 | geo-rge | is /home backed up? |
| 01:04.37 | majeru | no |
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| 01:04.46 | geo-rge | that's your first step |
| 01:04.57 | DavidProck1981 | ok do i need ot restart my hole system cause hte ./flashplayer-installer from adobie.com (how ever u fucking spell it aahhhh) dont work |
| 01:05.04 | nn-gentoo | i need a fiew people to test http://filebin.info/cgiirc |
| 01:05.06 | dthacker-lt | hello, I'd like to help package and re-submit a package that was orphaned and removed from unstable. Do you have pointer to docs on the proper procedure for that? |
| 01:05.18 | majeru | it's a software raid0 |
| 01:05.38 | majeru | but i'll try |
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| 01:05.53 | geo-rge | so then your first step is to get the raid array up... then back up /home |
| 01:05.59 | majeru | now i must go to bed |
| 01:06.03 | majeru | thanks geo-rge |
| 01:06.14 | majeru | i'll continue tomorrow |
| 01:06.17 | majeru | night |
| 01:06.25 | geo-rge | then I'd strongly consider instralling debian |
| 01:06.27 | maxamillion | dthacker-lt: i unfortunately don't know off the top of my head, but i would imagine googling something like "debian upstream packagers" would help a bit ... also, what package? (if you don't mind my asking) |
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| 01:06.39 | nn-gentoo | how secure is cgi?? |
| 01:06.44 | majeru | that implies lots of configurations |
| 01:07.00 | majeru | but if i cannot save it otherwise, i'll have to do it |
| 01:07.05 | dthacker-lt | maxamillion: tikiwiki, removed last month. I was looking to adopt and missed it by a week |
| 01:07.08 | majeru | thanks, night |
| 01:07.13 | geo-rge | yep |
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| 01:07.37 | dthacker-lt | maxamillion: It had an alioth packaging project, but I can't access it. |
| 01:07.47 | maxamillion | dthacker-lt: oh wow ... i didn't know it was dropped, i actually know a couple sys admins who use it for personal projects because its apparently really easy to use |
| 01:08.14 | maxamillion | dthacker-lt: hmmm... i unfortunately lack an answer :( |
| 01:08.18 | dthacker-lt | maxamillion: like me. |
| 01:08.40 | maxamillion | dthacker-lt: try asking in #debian-devel ... i would assume someone in there would know |
| 01:08.49 | dthacker-lt | maxamillion: tnx for your help |
| 01:09.01 | maxamillion | anytime |
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| 01:10.10 | geo-rge | moparts :) |
| 01:11.41 | dondelelcaro | nn-gentoo: that's an unanswerable question |
| 01:12.01 | dondelelcaro | nn-gentoo: it itself is a specification which is neither inherently secure or insecure |
| 01:12.15 | geo-rge | cgi was yesterday's petunias in 1998 tho |
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| 01:16.12 | Netham45 | I want to forward ports 22 and 80 from 192.168.0.104(Linux PC) to 192.168.0.105(Internal HTTP server), how would I do that? |
| 01:16.49 | moparisthebest | they are running on 2 different computers Netham45 ? |
| 01:16.54 | Netham45 | yes |
| 01:17.04 | Netham45 | 192.168.0.104 is the PC on the internet |
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| 01:17.31 | moparisthebest | interesting question, I'll try to look up an answer |
| 01:17.35 | moparisthebest | someone else may already know |
| 01:17.52 | Netham45 | well, I was told it was iptables, but I can't get that to work right |
| 01:18.03 | moparisthebest | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73 |
| 01:18.12 | moparisthebest | oh, that should work :/ |
| 01:18.27 | abrotman | it is iptables |
| 01:18.47 | moparisthebest | make sure you are putting in the correct network interfaces Netham45 |
| 01:18.55 | moparisthebest | you can get those with 'ifconfig' |
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| 01:19.59 | Netham45 | I am |
| 01:20.04 | Netham45 | eth0 |
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| 01:25.50 | geo-rge | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p (either tcp or udp here) -d (router IP) --dport (port you want to forward) -j DNAT --to (internal machine IP):(internal machine port) |
| 01:26.59 | win-X-perts | hi guys |
| 01:27.02 | Netham45 | still not working |
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| 01:27.24 | Netham45 | do I have to commit the iptables stufF? |
| 01:27.26 | win-X-perts | anyone knows how to get all the *.ebay.com |
| 01:27.35 | DavidProck1981 | aaaaaahhhhhh motherfickingshit |
| 01:27.46 | KevinOman | anyone know anything about ldconfig.real errors? |
| 01:28.24 | DavidProck1981 | my borwser is crashing its ASS OFF cause of flash and jave or what ever |
| 01:28.31 | geo-rge | try something like that... I -strongly- recommend you find out how iptables works, what the shape of the model iptables is working and finally what every option in the command I posted does |
| 01:28.49 | Netham45 | didn't work |
| 01:28.56 | Netham45 | =/ |
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| 01:29.04 | geo-rge | !doesn't work |
| 01:29.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 01:29.09 | Netham45 | I made a typo on the IP for the 1st time but how do I delete it? |
| 01:29.27 | Netham45 | 'it' is still not forwarding the packets to the server |
| 01:29.45 | geo-rge | try something like that... I -strongly- recommend you find out how iptables works, what the shape of the model iptables is working and finally what every option in the command I posted does |
| 01:30.22 | geo-rge | additionally, you can find out how to delete by looking at the docs, try netfilter.org |
| 01:31.18 | geo-rge | you will find out A LOT MORE than if I were to give the answer directly |
| 01:32.24 | DavidProck1981 | can someone take a screen shot of this past and let me see what it looks like cause i cant see the fucking page http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=Contrast&PHPSESSID=cae |
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| 01:35.03 | abrotman | try another browser |
| 01:35.14 | DavidProck1981 | its the flash |
| 01:35.28 | DavidProck1981 | the sits is telling me i need to install it |
| 01:35.36 | phogg | DavidProck1981: so use a browser that doesn't support flash, or disable flash |
| 01:36.17 | DavidProck1981 | phogg wouldnt that be what i dont want LOL, i need to use flash |
| 01:36.37 | DavidProck1981 | well at least my wife, i can get over it |
| 01:36.48 | en1gma | where is the packages list of installed packages in debian |
| 01:36.49 | DavidProck1981 | sort of |
| 01:36.50 | kmitch | DavidProck1981: flash is proprietary, our ability to debug it is somewhat limited. |
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| 01:38.32 | en1gma | is it in /var/logs somewhere |
| 01:38.32 | DavidProck1981 | why was it working one day and after aptitude upgrade it went FuckO, and after a format it is still FucKO |
| 01:38.32 | dalias | use gnash :) |
| 01:38.33 | dalias | then rm that nonfree adobe crap :) |
| 01:38.33 | Netham45 | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere 192.168.0.105 state NEW tcp dpt:www <== that is what iptables --list is showing under forward, but it doesn't work. I can't detect any activity on my internal Pc. |
| 01:38.33 | DavidProck1981 | im just pissed |
| 01:38.33 | DavidProck1981 | i dont feal like hearing the nagging |
| 01:38.38 | dalias | well if you want to know why |
| 01:38.45 | en1gma | where is the file that contains the list of installed packages |
| 01:38.45 | dalias | it probably worked with older versions of the packages |
| 01:38.49 | dalias | and not with newer versions |
| 01:39.02 | kmitch | en1gma: use aptitude (or synaptic if you like gui apps) to manage installed applications |
| 01:39.03 | DavidProck1981 | how can i get hte old one back |
| 01:39.14 | en1gma | i just want to look at the list in my editor |
| 01:39.19 | en1gma | so where is it located |
| 01:39.27 | dalias | hmm, someone tell davidprock1981 how to install particular versions of a package |
| 01:39.36 | dalias | (i'm not a debian guru) |
| 01:39.45 | DavidProck1981 | dalias i also removed all the flash i installed and now its keps the crashes |
| 01:40.14 | dalias | wtf that shouldnt happen :( |
| 01:40.18 | DavidProck1981 | before i install flash after the formatthe browser did NOT crash |
| 01:40.25 | pipeline | describe the problem, dalias |
| 01:40.47 | DavidProck1981 | but after install and remove the browser is crashing |
| 01:40.52 | kmitch | en1gma: try /var/apt/cache, I guess. |
| 01:41.09 | en1gma | i was looking in there but not sure |
| 01:41.10 | en1gma | 1 sec |
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| 01:41.40 | DavidProck1981 | i want to smack M$ in the face for cutting linux off, and hording every thing |
| 01:41.52 | en1gma | yea thats not it |
| 01:41.55 | en1gma | i dont think so anyhow |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | what the fuck |
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| 01:43.37 | abrotman | simonrvn: are you seeing this?! |
| 01:43.58 | DavidProck1981 | well what about unstable, does its Internet viewing stuff work??? |
| 01:45.02 | abrotman | try another damn browser |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | try one that isn't gecko based |
| 01:45.16 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman Like? |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | konq? opera? dillo? |
| 01:45.40 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know what gecko is |
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| 01:45.54 | abrotman | of course not |
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| 01:46.03 | ShadowMajestic | how to untar a tar.bz2? :o |
| 01:46.11 | abrotman | tar -jxf |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | man tar |
| 01:46.18 | maxamillion | ShadowMajestic: do you have bzip2 installed? |
| 01:46.25 | ShadowMajestic | dunno |
| 01:46.35 | ShadowMajestic | i have to? |
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| 01:46.43 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:46.57 | maxamillion | ShadowMajestic: do "aptitude search bzip2" and if it has an 'i' next to it then you have it |
| 01:47.55 | ShadowMajestic | mmmk installed |
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| 01:48.09 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman konqueror dont crash when i click a link, but the internet weiwing stuff dont work like java or flash |
| 01:48.14 | ShadowMajestic | yay thx it worked ^^ |
| 01:48.27 | johnadsfsdfdf | im going to be installing asterisk (the open source PBX) on debian etch, but i don't want to use 1.2 (which is in the repo), how should i go about installing from source? should i install from a specific location /usr/src or /usr/local/src? and should i create some sort of deb for the install? |
| 01:49.15 | kmitch | johnadsfsdfdf: try backports.org, it may have a newer version of the package. |
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| 01:49.26 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: golly .. maybe you need to install the plugins |
| 01:49.27 | maxamillion | DavidProck1981: then install the ie-tab extension and call it a day |
| 01:50.00 | johnadsfsdfdf | backports.org only has 1.2 as well |
| 01:50.00 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to tell kde apps to use the gnome trash? |
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| 01:50.46 | kmitch | johnadsfsdfdf: then you should intall the source in /usr/local/ |
| 01:50.58 | kmitch | that area is not touched by dpkg |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | johnadsfsdfdf: i believe there's an unofficial asterisk repo |
| 01:52.27 | johnadsfsdfdf | really |
| 01:52.32 | johnadsfsdfdf | ill take a look on google |
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| 01:52.42 | PrinceAMD | hi all |
| 01:53.06 | PrinceAMD | can anyone tell me or send me to a link showing me how to use 2 video cards at once |
| 01:54.44 | johnadsfsdfdf | ok i think im going with install from source |
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| 01:55.23 | magyar | hi, need the name of the tool that scans for fastest repository server |
| 01:55.47 | Netham45 | are there any IRCops here? |
| 01:55.51 | johnadsfsdfdf | kmitch: should i do a special configure? indicating some sort of prefix? and i know that ive done this before, but i just cant seem to remeber how, but isnt there a way i am "supposed" to put this into a deb before i install it? |
| 01:56.04 | Netham45 | someone is trying to send me a bunch of files over and over, that I am guessing are viruses |
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| 01:57.03 | magyar | how can i reconfigure my repository selection from within etch? |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | Netham45: which nick ? |
| 01:57.36 | Netham45 | it was vxp |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | not in this channel |
| 01:58.01 | Netham45 | not on any channel, he /quit 'ed |
| 01:58.18 | kmitch | johnadsfsdfdf: when you configure the source: 'configure --prefix=/usr/local'. Debian policy states that the /usr/local directories are to be left untouched be package managers, and left for local usage. So it is perfectly safe to install there. |
| 01:58.24 | tuv | what does it mean to get the following on attaching a usb disk with ext3 partitions? http://paste.debian.net/36280, last line: EXT3-fs: Magic mismatch, very weird ! |
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| 01:58.49 | johnadsfsdfdf | cool, thanks |
| 01:58.58 | PrinceAMD | can anyone tell me or send me to a link showing me how to use 2 video cards at once |
| 01:59.19 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to tell kde apps to use the gnome trash? |
| 01:59.30 | Bogus8 | anyone know if #fetchmail (##fetchmail apparently) is just that dead that I'm THE ONLY person that has been in there in like 4 hours? |
| 02:00.00 | edju | magyar, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:00.07 | dalias | bogus8, thats not extremely dead |
| 02:00.18 | dalias | wait 4 weeks til you say it's dead :) |
| 02:00.27 | Bogus8 | dalias: having ZERO people? |
| 02:00.47 | Bogus8 | dalias: I mean the other day it was a ton but it was like 20 people |
| 02:00.59 | Bogus8 | wasn't* |
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| 02:02.10 | kmitch | Bogus8: it might be full of people from one particular time zone who happen to be sleeping right now:) |
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| 02:02.30 | Bogus8 | kmitch: I guess... but usually SOMEONE idles |
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| 02:02.55 | stray_ | PrinceAMD: http://tinyurl.com/35c3qt |
| 02:02.55 | Bogus8 | I've been in there like ~5 hours and not a single person has joined |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | Bogus8: isn't #fetchmail on another server ? |
| 02:03.50 | PrinceAMD | stray_, i have ati 9200 and a old s3 trio64 |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | maybe not |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww s3 |
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| 02:04.17 | Bogus8 | abrotman: not sure, there was not many people there the other day but more than 10 probably less than 20 |
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| 02:04.35 | Bogus8 | I thought everyone was on freenode ;) |
| 02:04.44 | Bogus8 | everone that mattered at least :p |
| 02:05.27 | en1gma | so where is the file that contains all installed packages? i want to look at it with an editor |
| 02:05.57 | tuv | e2fsck keeps modifying the filesystem every time i run it, as if the filesystem never gets fixed! |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | maybe it's still broken |
| 02:06.11 | en1gma | maybe hd = bad |
| 02:06.29 | tuv | how do i make sure? |
| 02:07.04 | abrotman | touch /forcefsck |
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| 02:07.31 | abrotman | or use a livecd .. and fsck it from there .. and do a full scan thingie |
| 02:07.41 | tuv | abrotman, i'm running e2fsck interactively (with -fy). how is /forcefsck better? |
| 02:07.51 | tuv | it's a usb disk |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | ah .. i thought you were letting it do it itself |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | and it's always messed up ? |
| 02:08.07 | tuv | yup :( |
| 02:08.14 | tuv | and cannot be mounted |
| 02:09.15 | tuv | abrotman, e2fsck always starts by saying: 'Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...' and then it goes on fixing stuff |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 02:10.13 | tuv | i need at least to recover some files |
| 02:10.16 | maxamillion | is the ipw2200 built into the kernel or do i need to use m-a to build a module for it like i do with the ipw3945? |
| 02:10.19 | karsten | tuv: If the drive itself is bad (as opposed to merely an inconsistent filesystem, which is what fsck is concerned with), a simple direct device read should generate disk errors. |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 02:10.23 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
| 02:10.24 | karsten | tuv: Look for that. |
| 02:10.30 | en1gma | i have my router setup perfectly i mean all the nics are working and well its just running great...anyhow when i start aptitude and press the "g" key its telling me it wants to uninstall dnsutils and bind9 host |
| 02:10.43 | Bogus8 | is * not considered a wild card when using ls or rm commands? like rm *.foo ? |
| 02:10.44 | karsten | tuv: cat / cp / dd from /dev/<foo> for the raw device, and watch /proc/kmesg or /var/log/messages |
| 02:10.46 | en1gma | i had to install bind to get my dns stuff working right |
| 02:10.47 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah ... thanks, i just couldn't find any info about it on wiki.debian.org |
| 02:11.04 | karsten | Bogus8: '*' is a wildcard *to* *the* *shell*. |
| 02:11.28 | karsten | Bogus8: your shell expands wildcards, not commands. If the wildcard ('*' glob) can't be globbed, it's treated as literal. |
| 02:11.31 | Bogus8 | karsten: hmm, so why is the above said command saying "*.foo is not a file or directory" |
| 02:11.33 | en1gma | how can i tell what my system is using for dhcp and dns? maybe its being handled with dhcpd3 |
| 02:12.02 | karsten | Bogus8: Do you have anything in the directory named [^ \t].foo ? |
| 02:12.03 | Bogus8 | when there is like 10 *.foo files |
| 02:12.15 | geo-rge | Bogus8: interesting question. would you believe the shell expands filename wildcards? what do you think happens when there is no file that ends in .foo |
| 02:12.45 | Bogus8 | karsten: just - and . only non alphanumeric chars. |
| 02:12.46 | karsten | Bogus8: pastebin your command, and 'ls' of the directory in question. |
| 02:12.50 | karsten | !tell Bogus8 about pastebin |
| 02:13.04 | Bogus8 | karsten: I din't past anything |
| 02:13.06 | geo-rge | ls -C |
| 02:13.12 | Bogus8 | I know better than that :p |
| 02:13.13 | karsten | Bogus8: No. I *told* you to paste something. |
| 02:13.23 | geo-rge | into a pastebin |
| 02:13.31 | Bogus8 | AH, I missed it because of that rude dpkg guy ;) |
| 02:13.32 | karsten | Bogus8: ^^ |
| 02:13.35 | Bogus8 | gotcha |
| 02:13.44 | karsten | Bogus8: dpkg is a bot. I told it to tell you about pastebin |
| 02:14.01 | geo-rge | we know you didn't, but we want to see it :) |
| 02:14.27 | tuv | karsten, i get lots of '[sda] Sense Key : No Sense [current]' and '[sda] Add. Sense: No additional sense information' |
| 02:14.28 | Bogus8 | my falut guys... I'm an idiot |
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| 02:14.44 | geo-rge | what is a falut?! |
| 02:14.53 | Bogus8 | I was ls'ing one sub dir down but not rm'ing one sub down.. lucky I didn't rm *.anything.important! |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | dunno .. butr it's his |
| 02:14.57 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: :p |
| 02:15.12 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: it's having to correct a typo everytime you see it :p |
| 02:15.32 | Bogus8 | karsten: I know dpkg is a bot... I was making a joke |
| 02:16.00 | Bogus8 | since irssi opened a query window and distracted me from seeing what you had said |
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| 02:16.06 | geo-rge | where's the bash info file again? if it's gfdl, how do you get it? |
| 02:16.19 | kmitch | en1gma: about viewing your packages, I think I found the answer! Try looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/* for info of your installed packages. |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | !info bash-doc etc |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | !info bash-doc etch |
| 02:16.38 | dpkg | bash-doc: (Documentation and examples for the The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section doc, is optional. Version: 3.1dfsg-8 (etch), Packaged size: 156 kB, Installed size: 908 kB |
| 02:16.48 | karsten | geo-rge: I belive a falut is a middle-eastern single-man boat. |
| 02:16.57 | cef | Is there a good way to rename a ppp interface? I'd like consistent ppp names (don't have to be ppp*) for the interfaces so I can easily keep track of things. |
| 02:17.01 | karsten | geo-rge: bash-doc? |
| 02:17.06 | geo-rge | BogusB has one! |
| 02:17.11 | tuv | karsten, is there a way to get at least read-only access. it's refusing to mount because of filesystem corruption. is it possible to work around that? |
| 02:17.12 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 02:17.12 | newio | does the DTC Panel have an IRC chan on this serv? |
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| 02:17.52 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: mind your typing geo-rge, mind your typing... I'll be watching you :p |
| 02:18.01 | geo-rge | Bogus8: that info makes a great read about how the cmd line interp actually does its thing, and in what order |
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| 02:18.31 | karsten | tuv: dd-recover, maybe. Or something like that. |
| 02:18.41 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I understood it was the shell... but like with regexp it treats wildcards differently and I was making sure I wasn't missing something... really just reassuring myself that I wasn't crazy ;) |
| 02:18.54 | karsten | tuv: http://cool-stuff-or-not.blogspot.com/2006/02/another-cool-rescue-tool.html |
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| 02:19.01 | kmitch | cef: I think network interface names are automatically handled by the kernel. I don't know of any way to tweak that:( |
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| 02:19.13 | tuv | karsten, will look into that.. thanks |
| 02:19.31 | karsten | tuv: ddrescue, package. |
| 02:19.44 | geo-rge | Bogus8: still, I say that will make an excellent read... (the man page is horribly long; the info file is too, but it's sectioned) |
| 02:19.49 | cef | kmitch: which of course makes it a pain in the rear for firewall scripts that require interface names |
| 02:20.18 | geo-rge | a lot of the power of unix is in the shell |
| 02:20.25 | windyh | only difference I see between the man page and the info page is that man has some stuff in bold type |
| 02:20.34 | kmitch | geo-rge: damn right about that! |
| 02:21.02 | geo-rge | if you want that power... you just have to learn about it |
| 02:21.08 | kmitch | much more power than that *other* OS |
| 02:21.27 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I plan on looking at it to see there is something interesting in it... I actually LOVE manuals, no matter how simple the object I like to read it's manual incase it does something I didn't realize or think of |
| 02:21.45 | geo-rge | by contrast, msdos does -not- expand wildcards, it makes each program do it |
| 02:21.53 | Bogus8 | which is one reason I think I like linux and in particular bash so much... I'm always learning some neat trick to do |
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| 02:22.12 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I did not know that about dos.. interesting |
| 02:22.17 | pia | hi all |
| 02:22.19 | geo-rge | Bogus8: then man cat could have a few surprises :) |
| 02:22.31 | en1gma | with aptitude do you use '-' or '_' to remove packages |
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| 02:22.37 | en1gma | i would think '_' to be better |
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| 02:22.43 | dondelelcaro | depends on what you want to do |
| 02:22.47 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I've been using CLI linux for the last 3 or so years |
| 02:22.48 | geo-rge | hia pia! |
| 02:23.03 | Bogus8 | it's only recently that I actually installed X and started using it as a desktop |
| 02:23.07 | en1gma | there are certain times when you want to keep the config files? |
| 02:23.13 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: if you want to purge, use _, when you want to just remove, use - |
| 02:23.17 | Bogus8 | manly just putty'd in and did all my work like that and used windows for surfing |
| 02:23.19 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: sure |
| 02:23.26 | en1gma | k |
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| 02:23.46 | dondelelcaro | if there isn't, you can just set whatever the purge on remove option is, and - will behave exactly like _ |
| 02:23.49 | geo-rge | Bogus8: I did that too, but it was because x wasn't ported to linux for the first 2-3 years... and 4 mb ram was plenty at the time :) |
| 02:24.14 | geo-rge | HEY GUYS I JUST GOT -4- MEGS! |
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| 02:24.27 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: LOL, well I'm only 30... I did try like redhat 4 or something back in "the day" but obviously that's not back in YOUR day :p |
| 02:24.49 | dondelelcaro | when a box of floppies could rule the world |
| 02:24.54 | geo-rge | well that was like 1994-5 when I started |
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| 02:25.00 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:25.15 | Bogus8 | I've been doing strictly IT work for the last 7 years of my life... so I was pretty tired of the same ol' thing... linux was just wanted I needed to make it fun again ;) |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | geo-rge: "what's this shiny disc thing?" |
| 02:25.39 | geo-rge | oh, that's a quarter... couldja feed my meter please? |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | i still have floppies around here somewhere |
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| 02:26.30 | geo-rge | I have 5.21" ones for atari... had source for atari 800 forth which we typed in |
| 02:26.37 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: 95 is when I got my frist pc (built it with my brother) P166, 32mb ram, 4mb pci video, 2gig hd, scsi built on the mobo and ended up getting a scsi 4x cd burner (Yamaha) like $400 bucks! |
| 02:26.37 | kmitch | I still have a case of 5 1/2" floppies laying around |
| 02:26.57 | tuv | ddrescue (dd_rescue) vs. gddrescue (ddrescue) ?? |
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| 02:27.21 | geo-rge | asus sp4g? |
| 02:27.29 | Bogus8 | tekram |
| 02:27.36 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 02:27.36 | Bogus8 | forgot the model now |
| 02:27.47 | Bogus8 | weren't many with scsi built on |
| 02:27.50 | geo-rge | you had a scsi 4g drive? |
| 02:28.11 | abrotman | had? |
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| 02:28.19 | Bogus8 | I eventually did, got some 4.5's .. I have 3 of them and they are now in a raid 5 for my / on this server i'm typing on :D |
| 02:28.37 | geo-rge | must be quick |
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| 02:29.07 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: had a baracuda (TALL drive that was VERY loud and HOT) don't remember the size 4,8, or 9 comes to mind |
| 02:29.21 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: software raid, so not really :( |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | 4.5 or 9 |
| 02:29.35 | geo-rge | asus sp3g that is, had a one chip scsi |
| 02:30.00 | Bogus8 | abrotman: could be either... who knows... it's still in my shed I think... but I believe it finally died.. if so I should take it apart.. should be interesting |
| 02:30.00 | refried_wfh | did something change in the debian dns system? |
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| 02:30.34 | FFighter | hello, I'm trying to create a symlink like this: ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/ruby |
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| 02:30.39 | FFighter | however, when I try to run ruby |
| 02:30.45 | FFighter | -bash: /usr/bin/ruby: No such file or directory |
| 02:30.48 | FFighter | I get this message |
| 02:30.49 | geo-rge | tuv: g |
| 02:30.52 | FFighter | however, the file is there |
| 02:31.05 | Bogus8 | SPEAKING of... I took apart a hmm, hitachi? maxtor? the other day and it had one platter (nothing new) but it only had a read/write head on one side... so basically they could have doubled the capacity by just putting on another read/write head.. how about that |
| 02:31.10 | FFighter | any hints ? |
| 02:31.23 | tsocks | FFighter: hmmm... |
| 02:31.35 | FFighter | tsocks: If I run with ./ prefix it works |
| 02:31.36 | tsocks | FFighter: type "which ruby" |
| 02:31.39 | smacnay | holy cow is my ssh port getting hammered. |
| 02:31.50 | refried_wfh | it's taking me a long time to resolve it. I'm watching my dnscache log and it looks like it's ping ponging between rietz and klecker |
| 02:32.06 | rahul | Bogus8: vertically arranged magnetic domains have phenomenally increased data density |
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| 02:32.44 | Bogus8 | rahul: are you saying it was reading from the bottom of the platter through the top? |
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| 02:33.06 | FFighter | tsocks: |
| 02:33.07 | FFighter | ops |
| 02:33.08 | Bogus8 | rahul: most drives I've taken apart usually have heads on both sides of the platter(s) |
| 02:33.13 | rahul | Bogus8: no, the magnetic domain is a vertical spike instead of a round blob |
| 02:33.14 | jmd | What's the command to "lintify" a package? |
| 02:33.15 | FFighter | tosocks: /usr/local/bin/ruby |
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| 02:33.27 | FFighter | and yes, I noted the difference |
| 02:33.40 | Bogus8 | rahul: yeah, I reread it and figured that's what you were saying.. but still wanted it clarified in case it wasn't |
| 02:33.40 | FFighter | however, the I wrote it wrong here |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | jmd: linda ? |
| 02:33.51 | rahul | Bogus8: yeah, now they can fit so much on one side of the platter, they can lighten the mechanism and simplify the electronics to make the drive more efficient |
| 02:33.58 | FFighter | I'm actually creating the link like ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:34.04 | FFighter | but it isn't working |
| 02:34.16 | Bogus8 | rahul: OR they could have just been only using have the drive to sell for less, like intel did with underclocked locked chips |
| 02:34.31 | rahul | Bogus8: sure. |
| 02:34.39 | rahul | Bogus8: that's more likely :) |
| 02:34.40 | FFighter | tsocks: If I go to /usr/local/bin and type ./ruby then the binary gets executed |
| 02:35.00 | rahul | flagship with two sides and the next model down with one side of data |
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| 02:35.13 | FFighter | If I go to the same dir and only type ruby without the prefix ./ bash says it can't find it |
| 02:35.15 | Bogus8 | rahul: was that sarcasm or do you really think that's what they did? I mean manufacturing is reduced if you don't have to retool your setup and stuff |
| 02:35.18 | FFighter | any hints ? |
| 02:35.28 | semprix | FFighter, maybe its not in your path |
| 02:35.29 | CompWizdr | or had a bad part on the one side of the disk, so they used just one side |
| 02:35.41 | rahul | Bogus8: but they need to price differentiate |
| 02:35.50 | FFighter | semprix: But how did "which" work then ? |
| 02:35.56 | Bogus8 | rahul: which is why the "disable" half the drive |
| 02:36.00 | rahul | Bogus8: yeah |
| 02:36.08 | FFighter | I type which ruby from anywhere and it points me to /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:36.13 | Bogus8 | I understand, I still think it's funny, but I understand |
| 02:36.15 | rahul | otherwise they probably will lose more than 10% of their revenue |
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| 02:36.51 | FFighter | semprix: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 02:36.53 | rahul | which probably maps to something like 30% of their profits... that's not something investors will be happy with :) |
| 02:37.01 | semprix | are you using bash? |
| 02:37.02 | southern | hi |
| 02:37.07 | semprix | FFighter, are you using bash? |
| 02:37.11 | FFighter | semprix: Yes |
| 02:37.16 | FFighter | Debian Etch 4 |
| 02:37.23 | rahul | erm, I mean 60% of their profits |
| 02:37.29 | Bogus8 | just like me, if a client's machine is really botched up I'll just suggest a backup/format/reinstall vs fixing it... I do it for pretty cheap but I can't actually charge for my literal time because it would make more sense for them to just buy another cheap pc |
| 02:37.57 | FFighter | semprix: what do you think could be happening ? |
| 02:38.38 | rahul | Bogus8: heh |
| 02:38.47 | semprix | FFighter, so when you type /usr/local/bin/ruby it executes? and when just plain ruby it wont? is that the problem? |
| 02:39.05 | Bogus8 | sure I'm not "maximizing" profits but they feel like the got a good deal and I was fair and recommend me to others, it works out |
| 02:39.19 | FFighter | semprix: Yes, it does execute if I use the absolute path |
| 02:39.26 | Bogus8 | everynow and then I get a business and those are the ones I really make my money off of anyway |
| 02:39.38 | Bogus8 | and I don't have to be "flexible" with my time with business :D |
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| 02:39.53 | FFighter | semprix: "ruby" alone won't trigger the executable |
| 02:39.57 | southern | I've setup apache2 from apt-source, how can I remove it? |
| 02:40.00 | FFighter | but it is in the path ... strange |
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| 02:40.20 | abrotman | southern: should have made a package which you then installed .. right ? |
| 02:40.22 | rahul | Bogus8: well, you're maximizing what you charge those who are willing to spend more :) |
| 02:40.27 | epsilon | debian full install in 10 min |
| 02:40.31 | southern | yes |
| 02:40.32 | rahul | Bogus8: which _does_ maximize profits in the long run |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | southern: so remove it like any other package ? |
| 02:40.57 | semprix | FFighter, the only thing i can think of this time is the path |
| 02:41.01 | Bogus8 | rahul: true... granted sometimes I work for WAY to little on residential gigs... which is why I hate them |
| 02:41.06 | semprix | maybe you can ask abrotman |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:41.18 | abrotman | who what? |
| 02:41.20 | southern | abrotman: and after I installed it |
| 02:41.25 | FFighter | semprix: thebusinessdocumentcenter:/usr/local/bin# ruby |
| 02:41.25 | FFighter | -bash: /usr/bin/ruby: No such file or directory |
| 02:41.31 | rahul | Bogus8: yeah. |
| 02:41.33 | Bogus8 | I just can't see charging someone that much when you walk in and go "oh, look, this was disabled" and walk out |
| 02:41.38 | FFighter | why it tries to execute /usr/bin/ruby ? |
| 02:41.39 | abrotman | FFighter: `which ruby` |
| 02:41.39 | rahul | heh |
| 02:41.57 | FFighter | abrotman: It shows /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:42.07 | Bogus8 | I often just say, pay me what you think is fair... which is ALWAYS "20 bucks?" |
| 02:42.09 | abrotman | FFighter: ls -l /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:42.11 | FFighter | but when I try to run it it says -bash: /usr/bin/ruby: No such file ... |
| 02:42.12 | Bogus8 | and I take it and walk off |
| 02:42.20 | rahul | yeah |
| 02:42.22 | semprix | FFighter, may its a symlink |
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| 02:43.04 | Bogus8 | but it's because I know they can't afford to be raped like some people and places do... and eventually it works out |
| 02:43.09 | southern | abrotman: apt-get remove doesn't works :[ |
| 02:43.13 | FFighter | semprix: So, how do I remove a symlink (sorry for the ignorance)... becouse I just removed /usr/local/bin/ruby but when I type ruby the same bash error appears |
| 02:43.19 | Bogus8 | now if they have money, then it's a little different ;) |
| 02:43.23 | rahul | hehe |
| 02:43.33 | southern | abrotman: apache still there :/ |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | FFighter: ls -l /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:43.40 | abrotman | southern: which apache ? |
| 02:43.53 | southern | abrotman: apache2 |
| 02:43.56 | Bogus8 | oddly my father was the opposite, he would let the rich people slide all the time and would make sure he got ALL his money from those that barely could afford it |
| 02:44.00 | Bogus8 | never understood that |
| 02:44.09 | semprix | FFighter, yeah ls -l /usr/localbin/ruby |
| 02:44.14 | abrotman | southern: dpkg -l apache* |
| 02:44.15 | Bogus8 | (Satellite dealer, first in this state actually) |
| 02:44.28 | FFighter | abritton: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 16 Sep 5 02:08 /usr/local/bin/ruby -> /usr/bin/ruby1.8 |
| 02:44.41 | rahul | Bogus8: maybe he figured the rich people would cut him deals or maybe invite him to parties or something? |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | FFighter: ls -l /usr/bin/ruby1.8 |
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| 02:45.00 | FFighter | abrotman: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3336 Dec 4 2006 /usr/bin/ruby1.8 |
| 02:45.08 | Bogus8 | rahul: I think it was something like that... made him feel like they were buddies |
| 02:45.18 | rahul | heh |
| 02:45.24 | semprix | FFighter, it is a symlink |
| 02:45.25 | semprix | :) |
| 02:45.27 | Bogus8 | they would always offer to give me some cash to "make sure he gets to me quickly next time" and I'd take that shit! |
| 02:45.31 | FFighter | semprix: so ? :) |
| 02:45.40 | Bogus8 | as a kid 40 bucks was pretty nice ;) |
| 02:45.41 | rahul | haha |
| 02:45.43 | rahul | yeah |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | FFighter: does running /usr/bin/ruby do something dofferent than /usr/local/bin/ruby ? |
| 02:46.07 | FFighter | abrotman: thebusinessdocumentcenter:/usr/local# /usr/bin/ruby |
| 02:46.07 | FFighter | -bash: /usr/bin/ruby: No such file or directory |
| 02:46.08 | Bogus8 | I miss C-band satellites :( |
| 02:46.21 | FFighter | abrotman: thebusinessdocumentcenter:/usr/local# ruby |
| 02:46.21 | FFighter | -bash: /usr/bin/ruby: No such file or directory |
| 02:46.23 | FFighter | strange! |
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| 02:46.30 | abrotman | FFighter: /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:46.42 | FFighter | abrotman: This works |
| 02:46.45 | fantomas_ | hi. How to view filesystem statistics? I mean blocksize, etc... |
| 02:46.55 | FFighter | but why ruby is pointing to /usr/bin/ruby... where is this link ? |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | FFighter: ln -s /usr/local/bin/ruby /usr/bin/ruby |
| 02:47.21 | FFighter | the strange thing is that if I type which ruby, it returns /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:47.41 | FFighter | abrotman: Yeah! Thanks! |
| 02:47.45 | semprix | :) |
| 02:47.51 | abrotman | dirty hack |
| 02:47.55 | FFighter | abrotman: Could you explain me what was wrong ? |
| 02:47.56 | semprix | lol |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | no .. i don't use ruby |
| 02:48.30 | FFighter | abrotman: Why the ruby link was pointing to /usr/bin/ruby and when I typed which ruby it returned /usr/local/bin/ruby |
| 02:48.40 | southern | abrotman: dpkg shows apache2.2-common |
| 02:48.51 | abrotman | FFighter: ruby sucks ? |
| 02:48.58 | abrotman | FFighter: really .. no clue |
| 02:49.02 | FFighter | abrotman: Ok, thank |
| 02:49.02 | semprix | FFighter, its how ruby was installed |
| 02:49.03 | windyh | I thought the link pointed to /usr/bin/ruby-1.8 |
| 02:49.03 | FFighter | abrotman: Ok, thanks |
| 02:49.04 | semprix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link |
| 02:49.05 | semprix | :) |
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| 02:49.20 | abrotman | southern: so you can remove that if you want .. what do you mean apache is still installed ? |
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| 02:50.15 | southern | abrotman: I mean I want to remove it the whole httpd |
| 02:50.28 | abrotman | southern: is it still running ? |
| 02:50.36 | southern | abrotman: yes |
| 02:50.42 | semprix | southern, kill then |
| 02:51.04 | southern | done |
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| 02:51.45 | johnadsfsdfdf | ive got an apache load balancer running on a debian machine, and its unable to connect to the individual processes running on localhost, i think this would be resolved if i could figure out what is wrong with my loopback interface |
| 02:51.50 | johnadsfsdfdf | im unable to ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:51.54 | johnadsfsdfdf | any ideas? |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | firewall ? |
| 02:52.05 | dondelelcaro | johnadsfsdfdf: does ifconfig; show lo up? |
| 02:52.09 | johnadsfsdfdf | no |
| 02:52.44 | tsocks | johnadsfsdfdf: are you in the same pc? try as root "ifup lo" |
| 02:52.50 | johnadsfsdfdf | i've configured network interfaces before, but never had to do anything special for loopback |
| 02:52.55 | southern | abrotman: dpkg -r *each apache packages* ? |
| 02:52.57 | fantomas_ | Does anybody know is there a tool which I simply prints information about filesystem? |
| 02:53.01 | dondelelcaro | johnadsfsdfdf: if ifconfig doesn't show lo up, then that's your problem. add an auto lo; iface lo inet loopback; to /etc/network/interfaces if it isn't already there |
| 02:53.03 | fantomas_ | s/I// |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | southern: apt-get remove apache2.2-common |
| 02:53.09 | dondelelcaro | johnadsfsdfdf: then ifup lo; |
| 02:53.14 | johnadsfsdfdf | Ignoring unknown interface lo=lo. |
| 02:53.23 | johnadsfsdfdf | addign it now |
| 02:53.39 | fantomas_ | I just need to know bocksize |
| 02:53.59 | semprix | southern, its also good to --purge to remove all stuffs |
| 02:54.00 | Bogus8 | you know geo-rge that bash-doc could be a better laid out package |
| 02:54.03 | fantomas_ | and forgot the name of the tool... |
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| 02:54.24 | southern | abrotman: THANK YOU MAN :)))) |
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| 02:54.35 | johnadsfsdfdf | i added it to /etc/network/interfaces and trie ifup lo as root, but no luck |
| 02:54.41 | southern | helpful channel :] |
| 02:54.47 | johnadsfsdfdf | indeed! |
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| 02:55.06 | southern | with helpful people:) |
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| 02:55.12 | abrotman | semprix: you should understand the difference .. and he may not |
| 02:55.55 | semprix | abrotman, :) |
| 02:56.20 | sparr | when first running a new version of kde i was asked if i wanted kde or windows style keyboard shortcuts. how can i change that decision? |
| 02:57.03 | semprix | the kde control center? |
| 02:57.16 | robboplus | the etch install just hang on scanning the mirror phase... is there any key combo to see what's going on? |
| 02:57.22 | sparr | semprix: can you be a lot more specific? |
| 02:57.26 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: look at the console on F4 |
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| 02:57.41 | abrotman | sparr: ask #debian-kde |
| 02:57.50 | sparr | abrotman: no thanks |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | why do i even try with him |
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| 02:58.22 | robboplus | dondelelcaro thank you |
| 02:58.29 | semprix | sparrw, kcontrol |
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| 02:59.44 | bazz | if i have a dir i created with cmkdir and i can't remember my password, am i pretty much screwed, or is there something i can do as root to force cattach to work? |
| 03:00.33 | Bogus8 | could someone help me out with the syntax to smbmount? I'm using mount -t smbfs \\server\share /mnt/smb -o username=<username> password=<password> |
| 03:00.45 | Bogus8 | but it just prints the -h help |
| 03:01.22 | rahul | Bogus8: //server/share |
| 03:01.29 | en1gma | i got my install down to 322megs but i know much more should be able to be removed |
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| 03:01.33 | rahul | \\server\share is \servershare |
| 03:01.34 | en1gma | but its getting scary |
| 03:01.41 | Bogus8 | rahul: I tried that |
| 03:01.50 | Bogus8 | oh wait |
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| 03:02.05 | Bogus8 | not following you? |
| 03:02.07 | rahul | -o foo=bar,baz=quux |
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| 03:02.33 | holymoly | hey guys |
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| 03:03.07 | Bogus8 | rahul: still lost... do I need to add the -o options for service name and host name and such? |
| 03:03.24 | fantomas_ | Bogus8: |
| 03:03.34 | Bogus8 | I was looking at the man page for smbmount and it seemed straight forward, but I guess mount's syntax is differnt |
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| 03:03.46 | Bogus8 | fantomas_: I agree |
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| 03:03.58 | fantomas_ | Bogus8: no. This works: smbmount //ws-NNN/c$ mountpoint -o username=DOMAIN\/user,password=psw |
| 03:04.09 | fantomas_ | Bogus8: use smbmount in other words |
| 03:04.14 | rahul | you don't need to \/ |
| 03:04.21 | Bogus8 | fantomas_: what about for in fstab once I get it sorted? |
| 03:04.23 | rahul | it's the same as / |
| 03:04.35 | fantomas_ | rahul: oh ) yes |
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| 03:04.50 | rahul | Bogus8: you put exactly what's on the command line into the various fields |
| 03:04.51 | fantomas_ | rahul: mistyped |
| 03:05.12 | rahul | fantomas_: well, it doesn't hurt anything :P |
| 03:05.55 | Bogus8 | rahul: and it will use smbmount vs mount? |
| 03:06.02 | fantomas_ | smbmnt |
| 03:06.14 | fantomas_ | man smbmount, man smbmnt |
| 03:06.15 | Bogus8 | fantomas_: true, but it will accept the syntax all the same |
| 03:06.35 | fantomas_ | yes. Actually I have never used smb mounts in fstab |
| 03:06.40 | rahul | I have |
| 03:06.41 | holymoly | if i want to build a deb out of a tar that i know i can install with a make install (so all dependencies are satifieable), what is the easiest way of turning that into a package? |
| 03:06.42 | Bogus8 | fantomas_: I've read them all, I understand that fstab/mount uses smbmnt to do the work |
| 03:06.42 | rahul | it works fine |
| 03:06.45 | fantomas_ | because |
| 03:06.48 | Bogus8 | as does smbmount too |
| 03:07.03 | rawake | is there a way to get afuse running on boot as nobody? |
| 03:07.08 | fantomas_ | If a windows/samba station becomes offline... we get much problems |
| 03:07.57 | Bogus8 | fantomas_: in what manner? |
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| 03:08.37 | Bogus8 | rawake: assuming it uses an init.d script then the start-stop-deamon has an option for --user or something like that.. I use it in one of my scripts I made |
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| 03:09.07 | en1gma | omg i just got fooled running putty on my windows box looking at the netstat -a |
| 03:09.25 | en1gma | it really is being on the remote computer |
| 03:09.33 | en1gma | someone let me ssh into their box :) |
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| 03:09.51 | Bogus8 | en1gma: LOL, yes it is... it's quite beautiful ;) |
| 03:10.26 | en1gma | man got to be carefull and remember when reading the netstat that its not to the computer your on but the one you ssh/putty into :) |
| 03:10.40 | fantomas_ | Bogus8: Well, we mount a share to a linux fs, then the share goes offline, and the directory behaves like a deadhole. For example if I type its name to autocomplete (pressing Tab) the console hangs. And in Midnight commander was at this point on last exit, it won't start. And, after that, if the share becomes accessible, no connection is restored :( I hate this. |
| 03:10.56 | en1gma | are ssh servers easy to find like ftp servers? |
| 03:11.09 | holymoly | just get nessus |
| 03:11.21 | Ronin | en1gma: have you not looked at your firewall logs? heh ssh attempts all the damn time |
| 03:11.31 | en1gma | omg not really |
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| 03:11.51 | en1gma | i just have a generic rule setup for my firewall script |
| 03:11.56 | Bogus8 | fantomas_: that is pretty nasty |
| 03:11.58 | en1gma | it just drops everything from outside |
| 03:12.09 | en1gma | i have contracking enabled in kernel |
| 03:12.12 | Ronin | im just curious as to why your looking for ftp and ssh machines |
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| 03:12.30 | Bogus8 | fantomas_: I've noticed scp will hang when I accidently tab complete when typing the remote path |
| 03:12.33 | en1gma | im not looking for ftp connections cause i know how to find those |
| 03:12.40 | en1gma | im looking for ssh cause its new to me |
| 03:12.44 | Bogus8 | if it's local it works (which is pretty slick) |
| 03:12.49 | en1gma | im not really looking im just asking |
| 03:12.59 | en1gma | yea my ssh is local |
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| 03:13.30 | catbot | debian is good |
| 03:13.31 | Bogus8 | I remap my ssh to a different port to keep the lazy probe'rs out... it's all locked up with DSA keys anyway but still |
| 03:13.57 | en1gma | when i goto www.grc.com it says im stealth |
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| 03:14.12 | en1gma | so i dont think anyone can access my router box through ssh |
| 03:14.16 | tsocks | Any way to load modules with a parameter when i start linux ? |
| 03:14.24 | en1gma | can someone test it and see if there is anything i should change |
| 03:14.35 | Ronin | en1gma: umm listening to anything from grc.com isn't necessarily the best thing to do |
| 03:14.51 | en1gma | where is a good site to test my network security |
| 03:14.52 | tsocks | i have to do "modprobe via-rhine avoid_D3", but in /etc/modulees i can't put the parameter "avoid_D3" |
| 03:15.20 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 03:15.59 | Bogus8 | en1gma: I'd say test it yourself but I guess if someone else has a better idea? are you using a comercial router (linksys or something?) |
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| 03:16.18 | ne0h_br | Someone can help me with Shaper on debian etch, I'm getting an error msg: "Starting CBQ traffic shaping: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory" .. |
| 03:17.11 | johnadsfsdfdf | its my understanding that the scripts in /etc/init.d should be chmod 700 root:root, why doesn't debian do that by default? |
| 03:17.43 | ne0h_br | let me see.. |
| 03:17.44 | en1gma | i made my own router box |
| 03:17.48 | en1gma | it has 5 nics |
| 03:18.24 | ne0h_br | 755 by default |
| 03:18.28 | Ronin | 5? you need 5 seperate networks? |
| 03:18.34 | en1gma | i got em |
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| 03:19.03 | en1gma | 1 wan and 4 lan all on seperate networks |
| 03:19.30 | Codenut | I want to support two tci;\[[ |
| 03:19.30 | en1gma | and a 322meg install |
| 03:19.32 | Ronin | and you need that? or was this a learning experience |
| 03:19.40 | Ronin | im just curious |
| 03:19.49 | en1gma | well from what i learned over the week this is better then a router |
| 03:19.55 | en1gma | a store bought router |
| 03:19.59 | Bogus8 | yeah, i'm curious as to it's practical use also |
| 03:20.10 | en1gma | i didnt have to go buy anything |
| 03:20.18 | Bogus8 | sure, it just comes at a price... literally |
| 03:20.19 | en1gma | this was with the spare parts i have laying around |
| 03:20.30 | Bogus8 | and figuratively in maintenance (security patches) |
| 03:20.36 | Codenut | 'I want ones rh]\ |
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| 03:20.43 | Codenut | ruu\ |
| 03:20.52 | Bogus8 | en1gma: also electricity, or you could use that box for something else ;) |
| 03:20.56 | en1gma | i actually have this running on a xp2600+ with 256meg mem but i want to switch it to a athlon 600 with 64meg mem but it dont have a case and psu |
| 03:20.57 | ne0h_br | Pls.. someone can help me with Shaper on debian etch, I'm getting an error msg: "Starting CBQ traffic shaping: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory" . |
| 03:21.30 | windyh | en1gma: just nail the parts to the wall |
| 03:21.32 | en1gma | yea i want to switch it to another system maybe i can get a cheap case and psu thats under 125watts |
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| 03:21.39 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:21.39 | Bogus8 | my file server is a 866mhz machine with 512mb ram, I run irssi/im, torrents, webserver (personal), and whatever other cool CLI/headless app I can get my hands on ;) |
| 03:21.48 | en1gma | i almost just left it laying out on the floor |
| 03:21.58 | windyh | floor is bad |
| 03:22.13 | Bogus8 | en1gma: I once had a desktop pc that was just the mobo and parts laying around on a shelf (no case) |
| 03:22.19 | en1gma | my floor has no carpet...just the cardboard floor this trailor has |
| 03:22.29 | en1gma | its kind of being renavated |
| 03:22.31 | en1gma | i guess |
| 03:22.34 | Bogus8 | it worked, had to be careful not to bump it and make something short out though, cables runs were tight |
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| 03:23.25 | en1gma | well the athlon 600 m/b has an atx connector and the only other psu i have is an at...so i was going to try to convert it over but learned the atx actually have a chip in em so i couldnt do it |
| 03:23.28 | rue_newshop | apt cant isntall libc6 cause hte dependency is wrong for coreutils and the version of readlink I have dosn't work |
| 03:23.29 | apt | rue_newshop: that's too long |
| 03:23.41 | rue_newshop | ideas? |
| 03:23.42 | en1gma | if that psu would have worked it would be nailed to the wall cause i like your idea :) |
| 03:23.43 | robboplus | how accurate is top? are there better tools to show how busy a process is? |
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| 03:24.08 | en1gma | i have a compact 115watts thats the at psu |
| 03:24.22 | en1gma | it has a m/b in it but only 2 pci slots |
| 03:24.24 | Bogus8 | from what I've calculated I think I'm pretty much RIGHT at the limit of that PSU whatever wattage it is |
| 03:24.31 | en1gma | actually that hole system works good |
| 03:24.37 | en1gma | its all original |
| 03:24.47 | Bogus8 | en1gma: again though, what is the 5 networks for? |
| 03:24.54 | Bogus8 | or did I miss that? |
| 03:25.01 | ne0h_br | Someone can help me with Shaper on debian etch, I'm getting an error msg: "Starting CBQ traffic shaping: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory" ... |
| 03:25.21 | en1gma | well i have a couple computers here and my son and his brother come up sometimes also my cousin is close so he can plug in too |
| 03:25.37 | Bogus8 | en1gma: you know they make a thing called a switch right? |
| 03:25.39 | Bogus8 | :p |
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| 03:26.16 | en1gma | yea i have had at least 2 befsr41 and right now i have a cable-modem/router/gateway and a dsl-modem/router/gateway too |
| 03:26.24 | en1gma | but i cant use either one |
| 03:26.49 | en1gma | the cable-modem my isp wants it back from another state probably and the dsl-modem works great if i had dsl |
| 03:26.55 | Bogus8 | en1gma: having 5 seperate networks just to share access seems like more of a headache than anything |
| 03:27.15 | Bogus8 | file sharing and any LAN things now all need to have routes set up, vs JUST WORKING ;) |
| 03:27.16 | en1gma | i was thinking about bridging the 4 nics on the lan |
| 03:27.38 | en1gma | wow i havent tested another computer on the lan yet |
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| 03:27.45 | en1gma | just this windows box hooked up |
| 03:28.13 | en1gma | but i plugged it in to each nic and it assigns the ip ok |
| 03:28.24 | Bogus8 | en1gma: you understand if they are 5 different networks then they won't talk to each other by default right? |
| 03:28.41 | en1gma | i guess i could hook up that other computer...GAWD! see what you made me do now :) |
| 03:28.42 | hatter | putty is saying to me one of the debian boxes i login to has its host key changed, what things can cause this to change ? |
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| 03:29.10 | Bogus8 | hatter: are you connecting from outside the network vs inside the network? |
| 03:29.21 | hatter | Bogus8: no, i always connect externally |
| 03:29.41 | Bogus8 | your server's IP changed? |
| 03:29.41 | en1gma | now i need to find another psu cord cause i stole the one going to my router box from the other computer |
| 03:30.03 | hatter | the machine got moved to a different location, I am pretty sure the ip address is the same, but a different dslam |
| 03:30.38 | Bogus8 | hatter: but the public IP is different right? |
| 03:30.42 | Guerin | how do you fit chords in a box? |
| 03:30.55 | hatter | Bogus8, i am pretty sure the public ip didnt change, but i will check |
| 03:30.55 | Guerin | don't they just escape (loudly) as soon as you open it? |
| 03:30.59 | Bogus8 | hatter: you aren't using a vpn to hit the box right? |
| 03:31.10 | windyh | Guerin: line the box with foam |
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| 03:31.16 | en1gma | i want to install wireshark but it wants to install alot of X stuff...i thought there was a command line version |
| 03:31.19 | hatter | Bogus8, no |
| 03:31.28 | Guerin | windyh: then it becomes a shrödinger's chord box |
| 03:31.35 | peterS | Guerin: I think the idea is to mount a speaker in the box, then it can play the chords any time you need them |
| 03:31.36 | windyh | lol |
| 03:31.40 | Guerin | err, schrödinger |
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| 03:31.51 | stoned | hola |
| 03:32.04 | Guerin | peterS: mm. depending on the constuction that couild mean partial chord escape |
| 03:32.05 | stoned | whats going on fellers |
| 03:32.07 | Bogus8 | Guerin: they are Pianissimo chords, it's ok |
| 03:32.08 | peterS | stönedinger. |
| 03:32.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:32.14 | Guerin | still not ideal if you want to use the chords later |
| 03:32.15 | jmd | How do I tell dh_installman which manpage to install ? |
| 03:32.25 | peterS | jmd: it has a manpage |
| 03:32.50 | peterS | errr, I know that's confusing given the context, I mean dh_installman _itself_ has a manpage |
| 03:32.54 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I got an amp for that pfft |
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| 03:33.08 | Bogus8 | hatter: is the public IP the same? |
| 03:33.16 | jmd | Yeah, unforunately it the dh_installman manpage doesn't answer the question. |
| 03:33.20 | stoned | what about chords? |
| 03:33.24 | hatter | Bogus8, just checking now |
| 03:33.44 | peterS | jmd: the 'SYNOPSIS' line doesn't say? it does here |
| 03:33.51 | Bogus8 | hatter: just making sure your "no" was about vpn and not the IP change |
| 03:33.54 | en1gma | Bogus8 would you mind helping me put those same nics on one network |
| 03:33.59 | hark | en1gma: tshark |
| 03:34.01 | Guerin | Bogus8: from dell? Careful. |
| 03:34.02 | hatter | Bogus8, ah, no to the vpn |
| 03:34.08 | jmd | Perhaps I should have asked my question more carefully. |
| 03:34.08 | stoned | dell |
| 03:34.13 | Guerin | stoned: s/d/h/ |
| 03:34.20 | en1gma | bark tshark and not wireshark? |
| 03:34.26 | stoned | Guerin: indeed |
| 03:34.30 | peterS | tshark is the text-only version of wireshark |
| 03:34.32 | jmd | How do I tell dpkg-buildpackage which command line arguments to pass to dh_installman ? |
| 03:34.33 | en1gma | sweet |
| 03:34.35 | Bogus8 | en1gma: honestly that is beyond my scope of things I've done on a linux box... honestly the easiest thing is just get a 10/100 switch for a few bucks |
| 03:34.36 | en1gma | thnx |
| 03:34.39 | stoned | I told my dad to get an imb machine next time |
| 03:34.40 | peterS | jmd: by editing debian/rules |
| 03:34.42 | stoned | ibm* |
| 03:34.55 | Guerin | stoned: nobody ever got fired for buying IBM ... but some people went broke |
| 03:35.07 | stoned | or get a mac |
| 03:35.08 | en1gma | Bogus8 i could do that but i already have this working i think |
| 03:35.08 | jmd | To read what ? |
| 03:35.16 | en1gma | and its kind of neat |
| 03:35.24 | stoned | there is no reason to buy a mac anymore |
| 03:35.29 | Bogus8 | Guerin: lol, it wasn't my decision to get that monster rack... we have 25 users at most on our system, certainly didn't need $20k+ for simple file sharing ;) |
| 03:35.29 | peterS | Guerin: if I were in HR somewhere, I'd fire someone for buying IBM. just so nobody could ever say that again. |
| 03:35.36 | Guerin | stoned: get a beige-box from your local mum and dad pc shop |
| 03:35.52 | Guerin | peterS: heh. You in HR. That's a good one :) |
| 03:35.52 | stoned | you guys talking about rainbow boxes? |
| 03:35.58 | peterS | yeah it is |
| 03:36.07 | stoned | Guerin: I was 12 years old when I first came to nyc, and I was doing a bit of redboxing back then |
| 03:36.21 | stoned | Guerin: back then the phones werent muted like they are now until the call is connected |
| 03:36.25 | Bogus8 | en1gma: I just understand the scope of networks and subnet masks and how they talk to each other (or really don't) but as far as making two nics in a linux box walk to each other is beyond what I've done or really have ever cared to do |
| 03:36.33 | Guerin | stoned: is that like snotboxing? |
| 03:36.40 | en1gma | man i will tell you all one thing (well those who like aptitude) man i think i like it and dont know why i really never gave it a good chance before |
| 03:36.40 | stoned | Guerin: dunno snotboxing |
| 03:36.42 | Bogus8 | maybe one day i'll see the need but commercial switches and routers work for me right now |
| 03:36.44 | en1gma | its not bad |
| 03:36.51 | jmd | " No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120, <COMPAT_IN> line 1." |
| 03:36.52 | peterS | sounds like he's talking about phreaking in some fashion |
| 03:36.54 | stoned | Guerin: redboxing, emulating tones produced by inserting quarters into a payphone |
| 03:36.57 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 03:37.08 | stoned | I thought thats what you were talking about |
| 03:37.32 | Guerin | yes |
| 03:37.42 | Guerin | i was talking about deliciouss confectionary |
| 03:37.45 | robboplus | what does this mean? Cpu0 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 39.7%ni, <--ni? |
| 03:38.03 | Guerin | robboplus: nice |
| 03:38.19 | robboplus | does it mean that this core is 39.7% utilized? |
| 03:38.22 | robboplus | or else? |
| 03:38.37 | stoned | robboplus: hey |
| 03:38.45 | robboplus | stoned so you are back |
| 03:38.50 | stoned | yes |
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| 03:39.02 | robboplus | i will be there in a sec :) |
| 03:39.03 | Bogus8 | I like "or else", leaves a lot to the imagination :) |
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| 03:39.34 | robboplus | Bogus8 i mean if ni means a busy core or is that a bogush value that has nothing to do with real cpu utilization? |
| 03:39.53 | robboplus | there is a process running that should idle and it shows 39% all the time |
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| 03:39.56 | Bogus8 | robboplus: I don't know man, I was just messing with ya... I really do think that phrase is funny |
| 03:40.08 | robboplus | i love "or else" |
| 03:40.11 | jmd | peterS: Also, the man page seems to be wrong. (where is says "Files named debian/package.manpages can list other man pages") |
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| 03:40.54 | peterS | jmd: don't take it literally. by package.manpages it means your_package_name.manpages |
| 03:41.20 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:41.25 | peterS | this is also probably only in effect if your package uses debhelper compatibility level 2 or higher. which most do. |
| 03:41.37 | robboplus | is there an alternative to top that i could try? |
| 03:41.55 | Bogus8 | robboplus: atop |
| 03:41.56 | robboplus | as this thing must be simply wrong |
| 03:41.59 | Bogus8 | I like it |
| 03:42.02 | robboplus | Bogus8 thank you, trying |
| 03:42.14 | Bogus8 | there are a few other (x)top variations, I haven't tried any |
| 03:42.15 | jmd | I still get this error: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120. |
| 03:42.16 | Bogus8 | others |
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| 03:42.46 | robboplus | hm it looks very nice indeed |
| 03:43.04 | peterS | jmd: what do you have in your debian/foo.manpages file? is each filename in there relative to the current directory? (not relative to debian/, mind you) |
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| 03:43.32 | jmd | I have "debian/foo.1" |
| 03:44.14 | Bogus8 | robboplus: if you try any others and find them to be any better let me know |
| 03:44.20 | peterS | jmd: the error message from dh_installman should mention the filename it cannot find |
| 03:44.35 | jmd | Yep. "debian/foo.1" |
| 03:44.46 | peterS | and you do have a debian/foo.1? |
| 03:44.57 | robboplus | Bogus8 i will - and thanks again for atop - really looks good |
| 03:45.10 | Bogus8 | is it possible to "lock" a file with flock or something and always keep it open (even if that means something dirtly like a screen with nano or vi running in it) so that the dir that it is housed in can't be deleted? |
| 03:45.27 | Bogus8 | robboplus: no prob, hope it answers your question |
| 03:45.53 | jmd | peterS: OK. Fixed it. Thanks for your help. |
| 03:45.59 | peterS | Bogus8: you can't lock a file against the file itself being deleted. and you can remove any empty directory, even if it used to have a file in it which is still in use |
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| 03:46.04 | robboplus | Bogus8 well... the process eats alot still... |
| 03:46.06 | peterS | jmd: cool |
| 03:46.06 | Rusty1 | robboplus: , htop , slabtop |
| 03:46.21 | robboplus | Rusty1 oh wow thank you - will test both of them too |
| 03:46.33 | robboplus | Bogus8 now we got some candies to test he he:) |
| 03:46.42 | Bogus8 | robboplus: let me know how they work |
| 03:46.59 | peterS | Bogus8: on some other Unixes, you can't rmdir a directory which is the current working directory of some process. but on Linux you can. |
| 03:47.09 | robboplus | Bogus8 try htop - it looks cool as well |
| 03:47.10 | Bogus8 | peterS: hmm, I'm just looking for a dirty trick to prevent this python script from deleting this dir that it seems to do at some point for some odd reason |
| 03:47.30 | Bogus8 | and I don't know much about python so sorting out the root cause isn't really that much of an option ;) |
| 03:47.34 | rue_newshop | why does every libc6 upgrade have to be sucha terrible nightmare |
| 03:47.35 | peterS | Bogus8: best to just fix the python script. python is a pretty readable language, it should be possible to figure this 'bug' out.... |
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| 03:47.59 | peterS | Bogus8: hmmm ... you might use 'chattr' to set the immutable bit on the directory or a file inside it |
| 03:48.05 | Bogus8 | peterS: it's a large script... more of a "package".. which of course the devel is dead on now :( |
| 03:48.10 | peterS | Bogus8: this only works on ext2 and ext3, though, I believe |
| 03:48.12 | robboplus | mmm... slabtop... yummy! |
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| 03:48.47 | peterS | Bogus8: try your luck with chattr +i, then |
| 03:48.57 | Bogus8 | peterS: reading the man file now, thanks! |
| 03:49.17 | peterS | Bogus8: hmmm, I see there is a +u "undeletable" too.... |
| 03:49.36 | Bogus8 | I see that |
| 03:50.30 | Bogus8 | seems i is on the file level.. wonder if that would work, I got no problems with .placeholder being in there |
| 03:50.49 | peterS | I bet +i works on directories as well as files, but you'd have to try it to see |
| 03:51.10 | Bogus8 | peterS: seems u is for a recycle bin type of function, on a file by file basis |
| 03:51.14 | peterS | (mkdir /var/tmp/dir; sudo chattr +i /var/tmp/dir; rmdir /var/tmp/dir) |
| 03:51.15 | slidesinger | I need to find all the pdf files in a home directory structure and move them to a shared network directory, finding them is not a problem, I can do that recursively with find. What I need to figure out is how to use the output of find to move only those files and no others recursively. Does anyone know how to do this? |
| 03:51.34 | Bogus8 | peterS: yeah, I'm about to give it all a go |
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| 03:52.14 | peterS | slidesinger: the question is whether you want to maintain the same directory structure in your shared network directory, or just move all your pdfs to a single destination dir. (if the latter, what happens if two filenames are the same?) |
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| 03:53.27 | peterS | slidesinger: if you just want to move to a flat directory: find ~ -name \*.pdf -print0 | xargs -0r mv -it /shared/dir |
| 03:53.49 | peterS | the -i means prompt on overwrite, which is rather important when you have the potential for name clashes |
| 03:53.58 | Bogus8 | peterS: hmm, might break the script as it "ask" for permission |
| 03:54.04 | Bogus8 | peterS: you can set it to the dir also |
| 03:54.12 | Rusty1 | robboplus: , htop , slabtop |
| 03:54.24 | Rusty1 | oops |
| 03:54.36 | slidesinger | peterS: that should do what I want. |
| 03:54.49 | Bogus8 | peterS: is there a plain and simple "don't delete and bugger off" attibute? |
| 03:55.00 | Bogus8 | maybe a -pissoff option ;) |
| 03:55.08 | peterS | Bogus8: if the manpage doesn't mention it, probably not |
| 03:55.13 | peterS | slidesinger: and repeat for -name \*.PDF, presumably (: |
| 03:55.30 | Bogus8 | peterS: ah well, I'll see if the script chokes when it gets to that point... in about 7 hours ;) |
| 03:55.31 | peterS | (since some people name their pdf files as *.PDF instead of *.pdf - mixed case is not so common) |
| 03:55.43 | peterS | Bogus8: doh - long wait! anyway, good luck |
| 03:56.10 | Bogus8 | peterS: yep, it's still closer than I've ever gotten, so THANK YOU sir ;) |
| 03:56.22 | slidesinger | peterS: Figured on that as this stuff is coming off windows boxes and being migrated to linux. |
| 03:56.27 | Bogus8 | my other option is just an hourly script that makes the dir :) |
| 03:56.34 | peterS | speaking of 7 hours, I need to be awake well before 7 hours from now, so I'd best get to sleep |
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| 03:56.46 | Bogus8 | later man, thank again |
| 03:56.49 | peterS | np |
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| 04:01.04 | Bogus8 | is there a way to run a script that simulates being run from cron or init.d or something... no "interface" to report to so to speak |
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| 04:01.33 | jbevren | Just letting you guys know I got it beat :) |
| 04:01.34 | Bogus8 | and will it make a difference if normally the script is halted with "do this, yes or no?" |
| 04:01.53 | jbevren | linux 2.6.22 has the fujitsu b142 ts driver built-in, and the evtouch driver works great with unstable's Xorg |
| 04:01.53 | Bogus8 | jbevren: do it too much and it will make you blind :D |
| 04:01.59 | jbevren | boys lol |
| 04:02.11 | Bogus8 | sorry, I couldn't pass that one up |
| 04:02.14 | jbevren | Bogus8: I had probs with linux 2.6 cause my TS didnt work :) |
| 04:02.17 | jbevren | yeah I dont blame you :) |
| 04:02.43 | hatter | Bogus8, i think y9ou mean 'allow or deny' |
| 04:02.52 | Bogus8 | I've wondered about touch screen capabilities in linux... I see in my linux mag they are selling tablet pc's with linux installed |
| 04:03.00 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:03.02 | jbevren | this is an older PC |
| 04:03.06 | jbevren | 300mhz, 160M ram |
| 04:03.12 | Bogus8 | hatter: no, this is linux not vista :p |
| 04:03.14 | jbevren | clamshell style with TS |
| 04:03.24 | jbevren | crap hrm |
| 04:03.34 | jbevren | I cant rightclick lol |
| 04:03.37 | jbevren | well this is a start :D |
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| 04:04.05 | Bogus8 | jbevren: I've thought about getting my hands on those older tablets (the ones that weren't laptop/tablets)... you can get them pretty cheap, close to the same specs |
| 04:04.41 | Bogus8 | jbevren: hell I got an almost new Toshiba Tecra M3 that I can't "tap to click" on the pad, so don't feel too bad ;) |
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| 04:05.27 | rcbarnes | How do I keep apt from upgrading my kernel? I hand-rolled the one I have, and I don't want anything messing with that. |
| 04:05.54 | geo-rge | !pinning |
| 04:05.54 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 04:06.03 | Bogus8 | rcbarnes: good question, I am looking to do that myself, glad you asked ;) |
| 04:06.13 | rcbarnes | geo-rge: thanks |
| 04:06.20 | geo-rge | rcbarnes: did you build it as a debian package? |
| 04:06.29 | rcbarnes | geo-rge: yup |
| 04:06.39 | geo-rge | then the pinning stuff would apply |
| 04:06.46 | rcbarnes | perfect |
| 04:07.02 | Bogus8 | I just want to update my little server here and not have to worry about rebooting it because it has a new kernel of the month ;) |
| 04:07.33 | hatter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.42 | geo-rge | hmm, so by supplying a new kernel debian implicitly recommends rebooting |
| 04:08.13 | hatter | geo-rge, is that true ? |
| 04:08.29 | Bogus8 | hatter: you aren't running the kernel till you reboot |
| 04:08.38 | Bogus8 | unless something's changed that I wasn't aware of |
| 04:08.50 | hatter | ok, theres a good point, |
| 04:09.02 | hatter | i guess i am thinking of kernel updates |
| 04:09.08 | Bogus8 | jbevren: now fix my touchpad's tap function ;) |
| 04:09.17 | jbevren | Bogus8: what kind of touchpad is it? |
| 04:09.25 | jbevren | are you using the synaptics driver? :) |
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| 04:09.39 | geo-rge | if (a) they supply a new kernel and then (b) they create dependency such that it must be installed in order to make other packages work... yes, they do |
| 04:09.39 | jbevren | my P4 laptop's pad works with synaptics, and it can even tell if you tap with one,m two, or three fingers |
| 04:09.43 | Bogus8 | jbevren: I was joking but if you want to attempt.. it's a Toshiba Tecra M3 umm, how can I get more details |
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| 04:10.00 | jbevren | Bogus8: Just try the synaptics driver instead of the generic mouse driver |
| 04:10.07 | jbevren | user$ man synaptics |
| 04:10.08 | Bogus8 | jbevren: done that |
| 04:10.08 | jbevren | :) |
| 04:10.11 | jbevren | :( |
| 04:10.23 | jbevren | that said, my acer's touchpad is crap and doesnt work that way |
| 04:10.29 | Bogus8 | got that and the speed setting set up as it was SLOW by default |
| 04:10.36 | jbevren | libtouch does the translation of taps |
| 04:10.39 | jbevren | (fyi) |
| 04:10.44 | jbevren | for me anyway :) |
| 04:10.53 | geo-rge | in fact that case is an attempted force to reboot |
| 04:11.00 | Bogus8 | I unfortunately have to say that the touchpad is kind of weak in performance compared to windows :( |
| 04:11.12 | jbevren | it depends on the pad |
| 04:11.15 | jbevren | like my acer's :P |
| 04:11.24 | Bogus8 | I have the sensativity turned WAY up and it still seems to not know |
| 04:11.24 | jbevren | it has a 4way dpad on it thats supposed to scroll |
| 04:11.29 | jbevren | but all it does is the b'dink beep in windows |
| 04:12.01 | Alam_Debian | what program would tell me details on a MP3 file? |
| 04:12.03 | geo-rge | there's probably a driver for it that makes it work in win |
| 04:12.38 | Bogus8 | jbevren: hmm, odd, no drivers? |
| 04:12.49 | jbevren | Bogus8: Stock acer suite |
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| 04:12.59 | jbevren | its not a real scrollpad :( |
| 04:13.04 | Bogus8 | jbevren: and no go... that sucks.. laptops suck in general |
| 04:13.09 | jbevren | if it read as a generic scroll wheel it'd be perfect |
| 04:13.21 | jbevren | Bogus8: older ones are good (this one is perfect, even the winmodem worsk in linux) |
| 04:13.24 | Bogus8 | jbevren: so, this libtouch, shoulc I be able to slocate it? |
| 04:13.32 | Bogus8 | I also tried apt-cache search and no good |
| 04:13.35 | jbevren | Bogus8: I think evtouch is the only driver that uses it |
| 04:13.37 | jbevren | google it |
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| 04:13.54 | Bogus8 | just wondering if it might already be installed/in use |
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| 04:14.49 | Bogus8 | jbevren: so the touch screen drivers do the tap sensing on a "standard" touchpad? |
| 04:15.37 | jbevren | and it doesnt even itnerrupt my ssh :D |
| 04:15.39 | jbevren | linux rocks. |
| 04:15.50 | jbevren | Bogus8: Doubtful :X |
| 04:16.10 | geo-rge | jbevren: static address? |
| 04:16.21 | Bogus8 | jbevren: really? how does that work? |
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| 04:16.22 | jbevren | george: I didnt even ifdown |
| 04:16.27 | jbevren | I pulled the pcmcia nic |
| 04:16.30 | jbevren | eth0 lost its state |
| 04:16.31 | Bogus8 | I can't go from wired to wireless w/o it dropping mine |
| 04:16.37 | jbevren | I put the usb nic in, which came up on eth0 |
| 04:16.41 | Bogus8 | ah! |
| 04:16.41 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:16.50 | Bogus8 | sneaky sneaky ;) |
| 04:16.51 | jbevren | that wont last though, udev will likely rename things next time |
| 04:17.08 | Bogus8 | manual IP or dhcp? |
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| 04:17.18 | jbevren | manual |
| 04:17.23 | jbevren | dhcp would give me a different addr |
| 04:17.29 | jbevren | since neither of these have a static in my dhcp.conf |
| 04:17.30 | Bogus8 | jbevren: the reason I ask because what I got with libtouch was info about touchscreens |
| 04:17.40 | jbevren | Bogus8: gotcha |
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| 04:17.52 | Bogus8 | jbevren: exactly that's what I was wondering |
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| 04:17.57 | Bogus8 | unless you cloned the MACs ;) |
| 04:18.03 | jbevren | Bogus8: hrm :D |
| 04:18.33 | Bogus8 | just can't ever use those cards on the same network together |
| 04:18.59 | robboplus | what is the easiest way of disabling a daemon on a given runlevel? |
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| 04:19.14 | Bogus8 | a buddy of mine got in a bunch of pc's from dell/gateway/whoever... like a WHOLE network probably at least 20 pc's... hooked it all up and it wouldn't work |
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| 04:19.33 | Bogus8 | fought it forever then somehow they stumbled onto the fact that they had ALL been accidently burned with the same MAC |
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| 04:20.03 | Bogus8 | robboplus: there are the shortcuts in the rc.x dir |
| 04:20.07 | Bogus8 | links sorry |
| 04:20.11 | robboplus | Bogus8 thank you |
| 04:20.19 | robboplus | and nice about those dell machines and their macs... |
| 04:20.22 | Bogus8 | robboplus: man file has some descent info on it |
| 04:20.29 | rue_newshop | BUG, with libc6 2.3.6-7 installed, and coreutils 5.2.1-2 you CANNOT upgrade libc6 because its isntaller requires the -e option in readlink which is NOT available... |
| 04:20.38 | rue_newshop | grrrr |
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| 04:20.57 | rue_newshop | and the libc6 dependencys dont know about it |
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| 04:22.34 | Bogus8 | what function/app does the hashing of passwords or stuff if you need to store passwords in a script or something? |
| 04:22.40 | robboplus | is it wise to just remove those lins, Bogus8? |
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| 04:22.49 | robboplus | links* |
| 04:22.54 | OpenSorce | Hey guys, is there an OS X chanell somewhere? |
| 04:23.22 | Bogus8 | robboplus: umm, depending on what you are removing probably... and as long as you know how to get to a "safe" run level if it breaks ;) |
| 04:23.25 | catbot | anyboy know whether the KDE4 is available in debian? |
| 04:23.26 | robboplus | #osx? |
| 04:23.40 | Bogus8 | make changes to 4 or something, that's kind of an extra rl ;) |
| 04:23.53 | robboplus | Bogus8 that wasn't a good advice |
| 04:24.00 | robboplus | i know that debian handles those links somehow |
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| 04:24.21 | Bogus8 | robboplus: they are just symbolic links.. I'm not following you |
| 04:24.38 | robboplus | but you need to know how to re-create them too |
| 04:24.45 | Bogus8 | though, I'm usually ADDing not removing services |
| 04:24.57 | robboplus | can't i just rename them? |
| 04:25.06 | johnadsfsdfdf | for some reason i didnt have a lo interface configured, so i added it to /etc/network/interfaces, but now its not up by default when i restart, how can i make the lo interface be in the up state upon restart |
| 04:25.14 | robboplus | To disable a service in this runlevel, rename its script in this directory |
| 04:25.14 | robboplus | so that the new name begins with a 'K' and a two-digit number |
| 04:25.26 | robboplus | perhaps that helps ;) |
| 04:25.26 | Bogus8 | they are usually duplicated in another rl... I assumed you were smart enough to look and see and make sure you knew how to put it back together once you took it apart ;) |
| 04:25.31 | quasisane | robboplus: sysv-rc-conf works good for configuring the runlevel services |
| 04:25.45 | robboplus | oh thank you quasisane - will try that |
| 04:25.50 | quasisane | yw |
| 04:26.11 | Bogus8 | robboplus: yeah, I think that is exactly what the man file says to do... hence why I referred you to it earlier vs just listning to my "bad" advice :p |
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| 04:27.08 | robboplus | you never said what man file to use though |
| 04:27.15 | robboplus | and yes, i know that EVERYTHING is in there |
| 04:27.23 | robboplus | i just didn't have another hour to find it |
| 04:28.04 | jbevren | wtf |
| 04:28.04 | robboplus | and the proper way is to use sysv-rc-conf - thanks again quasisane |
| 04:28.10 | jbevren | the rtl8180 makefile is removing my rtl8180 source |
| 04:28.13 | Bogus8 | robboplus: umm, I really don't know the exact one.. probably something to do with rc or rc.d or runlevel either way if one of those worked it would probably point you to another.... and iirc it wasn't that big of a man file |
| 04:28.39 | Bogus8 | robboplus: I wouldn't say that is the "propper" way, but if that makes you happy |
| 04:28.56 | quasisane | there are a bunch of runlevel config apps |
| 04:29.13 | quasisane | gnome has one, so does kde, etc. |
| 04:29.30 | Bogus8 | and there is good ol bash ;) |
| 04:29.36 | robboplus | i'm a console guy :) |
| 04:29.37 | quasisane | yep :) |
| 04:29.47 | Bogus8 | hmm |
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| 04:30.08 | robboplus | btw it really is easiest to just rename those links |
| 04:30.14 | robboplus | S > K |
| 04:30.16 | robboplus | done :) |
| 04:31.07 | Bogus8 | robboplus: and they ARE all duplicated in all the other rl's 2-5 (in my systems) |
| 04:31.33 | Bogus8 | all of them identical except for the ones I renamed the gdm to be k21gdm ;) |
| 04:31.42 | Bogus8 | K21gdm* |
| 04:31.58 | Bogus8 | and i think I remember reading that case mattered on that |
| 04:32.16 | robboplus | yes |
| 04:32.31 | robboplus | and deleting those links would mean butchering the system :) |
| 04:32.42 | robboplus | it's like killing a fly with a hammer |
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| 04:32.59 | robboplus | (it would work though lol) |
| 04:33.57 | Bogus8 | not really, just cp rcX.d/SxxMissing rcY.d/ |
| 04:34.24 | robboplus | there is no point... mv S20 K20 will sort it out... and vice versa |
| 04:34.35 | robboplus | it says that in readme in every rl dir he he |
| 04:34.38 | Bogus8 | if I don't want or need it at that runlevel then why even bother with it being in there |
| 04:34.53 | robboplus | because you might need it someday |
| 04:35.09 | johnadsfsdfdf | what is the command for showing what services start on each runlevel? |
| 04:35.22 | Bogus8 | robboplus: I agree, renaming it to K is the "better" way, which is why I did it after I found it in the man file |
| 04:35.23 | robboplus | johnadsfsdfdf use sysv-rc-conf |
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| 04:35.28 | Bogus8 | but the principle is still the same |
| 04:35.35 | robboplus | just learned about that tool from quasisane :) |
| 04:35.43 | johnadsfsdfdf | thansK! |
| 04:35.46 | robboplus | yw |
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| 04:35.57 | stiv2k | ok, umm... did nm-applet get removed from apt or something? |
| 04:36.12 | Bogus8 | robboplus: if I need it then I can get it out of one of the other 3 rl's that aren't being used ;) |
| 04:36.52 | Bogus8 | and if I ever got the need to butcher all of my rcX's then I would just make a backup of the last "default" one before messing with it |
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| 04:39.22 | boo | anyone know what where the problem might lies, when i am not able to ping my own internal lan ip, and the localhost loopback. Even though i am not using any kind of firewall |
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| 04:39.46 | Bogus8 | boo: you can't ping 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 04:39.56 | boo | Bogus8, nope i cant |
| 04:40.09 | boo | internet is working though |
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| 04:40.13 | Bogus8 | boo: your card is not functioning property that's as basic as it gets |
| 04:40.16 | Bogus8 | really?! |
| 04:40.20 | ameyer | ifup l0? |
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| 04:40.30 | Bogus8 | then you have to be blocking those packets then |
| 04:40.41 | ameyer | I've had my 10 get fscked up when I was using Ubuntu |
| 04:40.55 | boo | its weird though i dont remember enabling any firewall in the kernel |
| 04:41.02 | Bogus8 | can you ping an outside site? |
| 04:41.07 | boo | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all is a 0 |
| 04:41.13 | ameyer | I'm guessing something broke boo's loopback interface |
| 04:41.20 | boo | yeh i can |
| 04:41.27 | boo | ameyer, ahh k |
| 04:41.37 | Bogus8 | what about your regular IP |
| 04:41.41 | Bogus8 | the dhcp or static one |
| 04:41.57 | boo | yeh i can ping that if i change in the router not to discard it |
| 04:42.16 | Bogus8 | yeah, in that case I think ameyer might be onto something |
| 04:42.26 | boo | but the internal lan ip assigned by the router i cant ping |
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| 04:42.47 | Bogus8 | ameyer: does that also work VIA the loopback (hense the name)? |
| 04:43.38 | Bogus8 | boo: any other systems on your network? |
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| 04:44.07 | boo | yeah 2 other laptop, they on the wireless, only my machine goes through a cat5 |
| 04:44.08 | Bogus8 | or does your router have a "ping" function? (not sure if it will work internally though, never tried... and mine runs linux anyway ;) ) |
| 04:44.25 | Bogus8 | boo: can they ping your "broken" machine? |
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| 04:44.30 | boo | let me check |
| 04:45.37 | boo | lol yeh i can ping from the router |
| 04:45.42 | boo | hmm |
| 04:46.10 | boo | but thing is say i am running a web server, from my own machine i cant access it |
| 04:46.12 | Bogus8 | fta fix is in for viewsats if anyone is wondering |
| 04:46.18 | boo | cause i cant access my own ip for some reason |
| 04:46.48 | Bogus8 | boo: so your laptop could ping the machine in question right? |
| 04:46.54 | Bogus8 | meaning it MUST be a loopback issue? |
| 04:46.58 | boo | yep |
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| 04:47.09 | Bogus8 | and you are saying you want to connect to a web server on localhost? |
| 04:47.11 | fantomas_ | Is there CIFS support in etch? |
| 04:47.44 | fantomas_ | I mean can I mount remote samba share using cifs and not using smbfs? |
| 04:47.53 | boo | nah cause i was planning to run the web server on this machine, and by trying to access 10.0.100:8080 it doesnt work |
| 04:48.05 | boo | and i pretty sure i set up for it to run on port 8080 |
| 04:48.27 | boo | so i tried pinging my self to troubleshoot and yeh all ping lost |
| 04:48.32 | boo | tried loopback same thing |
| 04:49.37 | Bogus8 | boo: so the other laptops can't hit the server either? |
| 04:49.55 | boo | that i havent tried, gonna try it now |
| 04:50.01 | Bogus8 | (can't pull up web page from server) |
| 04:50.28 | Bogus8 | boo: was that IP a typo? 10.0.100 isn't enough octets ;) |
| 04:51.18 | boo | yeh typo lol |
| 04:51.27 | boo | but yeh i didnt typo when i tried to ping |
| 04:51.35 | Bogus8 | k, just checking... happened to me the other day with a crontab line ;) |
| 04:51.58 | Bogus8 | .100 is the broken machine which is also the webserver, right? |
| 04:52.05 | boo | yep |
| 04:52.27 | liable | if local, use 127.0.0.1:8080 |
| 04:52.36 | DawnLight | is there a free alternative to macromedia flash? |
| 04:52.38 | Bogus8 | and from the laptop can you pull up the webserver? |
| 04:52.49 | Bogus8 | DawnLight: yes, gnash? |
| 04:52.53 | Guerin | DawnLight: there are several. |
| 04:53.03 | Guerin | DawnLight: libswf/gnash |
| 04:53.18 | Guerin | caution: may not work as expected |
| 04:53.22 | Bogus8 | don't ask me how I remembered that... it came to me almost subconcious as I was typing ;) |
| 04:53.28 | DawnLight | and on the designer side? |
| 04:53.44 | Bogus8 | hmm, now you are pushing it... I did read about one but I dont' recall it |
| 04:54.04 | fantomas_ | Is there mount.cifs in debian etch? |
| 04:54.04 | Guerin | DawnLight: anyone who uses flash on their websites needs taken out back and given nine grams of lead. |
| 04:54.17 | Bogus8 | liable: his loopback might be fucked |
| 04:54.21 | Bogus8 | or IS |
| 04:54.28 | fearl | !find mount.cifs |
| 04:54.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mount.cifs' (2): (/sbin/{mount.cifs|umount.cifs}) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/manpages/{mount.cifs.8.html|umount.cifs.8.html}) in doc/samba-doc. |
| 04:54.48 | ameyer | for stuff like youtube. flash is better than the alternative IMO... |
| 04:54.58 | Bogus8 | Guerin: we can't all use lynx or emacs like you :p |
| 04:54.59 | Guerin | ameyer: fuck no |
| 04:55.10 | boo | Bogus8, yep i can access the webserver from the laptop |
| 04:55.10 | Guerin | Bogus8: i don't use either off those for the interwebs |
| 04:55.14 | liable | Bogus8: so fix it |
| 04:55.18 | fearl | Guerin: What would you prefer they use? |
| 04:55.20 | Bogus8 | boo: ok, then it's for sure your loopback adapter |
| 04:55.30 | ameyer | flash is more free than anything else they'd use... |
| 04:56.08 | Guerin | ameyer: embedded video has been working since the late 1990s without flash, it's not needed by any means. |
| 04:56.08 | ameyer | unless they used theora |
| 04:56.08 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 04:56.08 | DawnLight | my web graphics artist gave me a swf file she started working on. its a cartoon for our website. i don't want to use proprietary stuff in my web site! |
| 04:56.08 | Guerin | just provide the file and a set of hooks to use an external player |
| 04:56.08 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I was just messing with ya |
| 04:56.08 | boo | Bogus8, ahh k thanks for the help |
| 04:56.15 | Bogus8 | boo: no prob... sorry it took so long to find a simple problem |
| 04:56.25 | Guerin | web browsers are as well-designed to polay media as toasters are to cook barbecue |
| 04:56.27 | fearl | Guerin: Flash is simple to install, and more than 95% of systems have it by default, name another format that this is true of. |
| 04:56.49 | ameyer | fearl: WM*? |
| 04:56.51 | Guerin | fearl: 1. false. 2. false. So on that basis I can name hundreds. |
| 04:56.55 | fearl | ameyer: hah |
| 04:57.04 | boo | Bogus8, but yeh this problem its hardware related right? |
| 04:57.05 | Bogus8 | Guerin: well, most other non-flash based embedded stuff can be stolen so if you are an artist trying to protect your work it is a good medium |
| 04:57.14 | Bogus8 | boo: umm, I don't think sod |
| 04:57.17 | Bogus8 | so* |
| 04:57.19 | ameyer | but only due to semi-illegal bundling... |
| 04:57.25 | robboplus | is 2.6.18-5 the newest stable? |
| 04:57.34 | fearl | Guerin: Every Mac and Windows machine comes with Flash... go check the figures.... not to mention several popular desktop Linux systems have it by default. |
| 04:57.52 | Guerin | Bogus8: because flash-based crap stops people from downloading the media file. Riiiight. |
| 04:57.54 | Bogus8 | boo: I dont have a clue about getting it fixed as that is beyond my limited linux knowledge... a simple approach that might fix it is a simple reboot (if you accidently fucked it up) |
| 04:58.03 | Bogus8 | Guerin: it helps |
| 04:58.06 | fearl | ameyer: Mac's and Linux boxes don't come with WMV (other than Linspire) |
| 04:58.12 | DawnLight | isn't there an svg format? |
| 04:58.15 | Guerin | fearl: windows doesn't come with flash pre-installed. |
| 04:58.21 | Guerin | Bogus8: not really. |
| 04:58.23 | fearl | Guerin: Umm, XP does indeed. |
| 04:58.33 | Guerin | fearl: not last I installed it. |
| 04:58.35 | ameyer | fearl: no it doesn't |
| 04:58.38 | robboplus | it does not |
| 04:58.39 | boo | Bogus8, ahh k |
| 04:58.43 | Guerin | (which would have been about 2003) |
| 04:58.49 | Guerin | !lose fearl |
| 04:58.49 | dpkg | fearl: You Lose. |
| 04:58.50 | Bogus8 | Guerin: which is why I said "it HELPS" :p |
| 04:58.59 | fearl | Guerin: Go to Frys or Best Buy and find a machine that it's not installed on. |
| 04:59.06 | robboplus | there is no flash preinstalled on xp or any other microsoft system.. that's adobe product :) |
| 04:59.08 | ameyer | I guess you could throw in Java if you wanted, sort of... |
| 04:59.20 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I'm pretty sure it has an older version that is installed which of course needs to be upgraded as soon as you hit a "modern" site |
| 04:59.25 | ameyer | IIRC some manufacturers pre-load it... |
| 04:59.26 | Guerin | Bogus8: in the same way that not using your date of birth for a PIN helps secure your credit card. |
| 04:59.39 | Bogus8 | robboplus: back then it was macromedia's product |
| 04:59.42 | Guerin | fearl: i know not this `fry's' and `best buy'. |
| 04:59.46 | robboplus | Bogus8 yes |
| 04:59.46 | ameyer | but if you reinstall, you need to load it yourself |
| 04:59.47 | fearl | ameyer: I hope JavaFX takes over Flash in time... but for me, currently, Flash is fine (except for when it crashes my Firefox...) |
| 04:59.57 | robboplus | Bogus8 adobe just bought mmedia :) |
| 05:00.06 | Guerin | robboplus: just ages ago. |
| 05:00.18 | robboplus | can't wait to see microsoft buying adobe |
| 05:00.25 | ameyer | Most Windows boxen have the M$ JVM, and Macs and some linuxes ship a JVM... |
| 05:00.32 | Bogus8 | Guerin: a little better than that, but I agree, I can snag a flash video... but it's easier to get something else |
| 05:00.47 | fearl | ameyer: No, Microsoft no longer ships msjvm |
| 05:00.50 | robboplus | btw ms jvm sucks ass so to say :) |
| 05:01.14 | ameyer | not that the M$ JVM is good, it's from their EEE days, and only implemented Java 1.1 if I recall correctly |
| 05:01.18 | robboplus | ...so does 2.6.18-5 :( |
| 05:01.28 | Bogus8 | robboplus: do you really want to see that happen? |
| 05:01.42 | fearl | If they weren't using Flash, they would all use either AVI or WMV or MPG4 or MOV... they wouldn't agree... currently everyone is agreeing. |
| 05:01.56 | Guerin | fearl: um ... that list makes no sense |
| 05:02.03 | robboplus | Bogus8 it's a crazy world already.. i wouldn't be suprised |
| 05:02.17 | fearl | Guerin: Umm, they are examples of what was used prior to everyone using Flash... but ok |
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| 05:02.24 | Bogus8 | I have to agree with fearl there... it's easier than chasing down 3+ different players (on windows) and all those codecs |
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| 05:02.29 | robboplus | Bogus8 but let's wait until adobe buys corel first |
| 05:02.41 | Bogus8 | robboplus: I dont' see that happening |
| 05:02.47 | Guerin | fearl: AVI is a container. WMV is a set of codecs. MPEG-4 is an open spec. MOV is a brand name for MPEG-4 using h.264 and AAC. |
| 05:03.00 | robboplus | how on earth could you imagine macromedia being sold to adobe? |
| 05:03.02 | Bogus8 | robboplus: nor do I see them buying adobe... it's too PRO for them... the users wouldn't be pleased |
| 05:03.19 | fearl | Guerin: They all require DIFFERENT codecs, thus my point... stop being pointlessly argumentative. |
| 05:03.26 | Guerin | fearl: so if you're going to indulge in a technical coinversation about the relative merits of some technologuies, wouldn't it be beneficial to have the faintest fucking idea what those technologies are? |
| 05:03.39 | robboplus | oh imagine ms office 16.0 with ms photoshop :s |
| 05:03.44 | Guerin | ah yes, I remember why fearl was permabanned |
| 05:03.45 | Bogus8 | robboplus: honestly it's a semi logical step, only competing product was their html programs really |
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| 05:03.56 | fearl | Guerin: I know EXACTLY what they are... however that doesn't change my point. |
| 05:04.21 | Guerin | fearl: codec proliferation is technically very easy to solve. In fact, it's already solved. Flash portability continues to be a nightmare. |
| 05:04.21 | fearl | Guerin: No, no you don't... you just have no point, so are attacking me now, rather than the discussion... |
| 05:04.55 | Bogus8 | Guerin: how is the codec issue "very easy" to solve? |
| 05:05.11 | ameyer | Guerin: actually, MOV is a container format |
| 05:05.20 | Bogus8 | i've run circles with simple divx/xvid codecs not wanting to play nice together |
| 05:05.22 | fearl | Guerin: How is the portability bad? It's running on phones, Linux (thus anything supporting Linux binaries), Mac's, Windows... everything that it should. |
| 05:05.31 | ameyer | Guerin: your point remains the same though... |
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| 05:05.52 | Guerin | Bogus8: i have vlc. I can play a very very high percentage of videos with it, using both free and proprietary codecs. |
| 05:05.52 | Bogus8 | fearl: even psp (barely) ;) |
| 05:06.40 | Bogus8 | Guerin: but someone will "break" that and be incompatiple... that's how it always happens.. which is his point |
| 05:06.42 | Guerin | ameyer: mm, ok. |
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| 05:07.03 | Guerin | Bogus8: better it being broken and rapidly fixed than permanently being broken, as it is now. |
| 05:07.07 | fearl | Guerin: I currently only need install Flash and MP3, and can play everything I want to play... even 2 years ago, I had to have MANY codecs installed, I consider it an improvement *shrug* |
| 05:07.22 | Bogus8 | I'm not a HUGE fan of flash... but it certainly makes the codec issues/embedded player stuff a non-issue |
| 05:07.27 | Guerin | fearl: that speaks to nothing but your narrow taste in media. |
| 05:07.44 | ameyer | Guerin: at least (in theory) Adobe won't sue you for using flash on linux |
| 05:07.49 | Bogus8 | Guerin: does vlc do mp4 and other crazy quicktime codecs? (streaming?) |
| 05:07.56 | fearl | Guerin: tv-links.co.uk alluc.org youtube.com ... what more could you need/want? |
| 05:07.58 | Bogus8 | honest question |
| 05:08.07 | liable | hrm, stupid cups keeps deleting my printer |
| 05:08.11 | ameyer | MS might for your use of WMA/WMV |
| 05:08.19 | DawnLight | "UIRA is an acronym for UIRA Isn't a Recursive Acronym" |
| 05:08.38 | Guerin | fearl: the point is the codecs are transparently usable by any OS, The only thing which fucks them up is that windows codec packs are bundled with evilness and spyware |
| 05:08.49 | Guerin | ameyer: that pleases me greatly. |
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| 05:09.03 | Guerin | fearl: 640k should be enough for anyone! |
| 05:09.13 | ameyer | it's unlikely they actually would, though |
| 05:09.14 | DawnLight | "UIRA, project aims at building an OpenSource vector animation Authoring Environment (SWF/SVG) in QT4. UIRA is under LGPL." |
| 05:09.51 | fearl | Guerin: Sure, I can have 50 different codecs, and maybe be able to see 90% of media on the internet... neat... if everyone standardizes on JavaFX or Flash or Silverlight and they all run on my system, I'd prefer that. |
| 05:10.09 | Guerin | Bogus8: yes, in fact, the free h.264 codec (x.264) used by Apple in mov and commonly used in .mp4 files is developed by the VLC team. |
| 05:10.24 | ameyer | Silverlight is MS's .net BS, right? |
| 05:10.31 | fearl | Guerin: Call me crazy, but searching for codecs for 30 mins every time I reinstall is a pain :/ |
| 05:10.33 | Guerin | fearl: well ... not 50. More like 10. And 90% would be ONE (ffmpeg) |
| 05:10.33 | ameyer | *new .net bs |
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| 05:10.45 | Bogus8 | fearl: my only problem with that is I really don't like a "monopoly" like that.... as a video producer I like to have my options of which formats I want to make availible to the people as do my clients |
| 05:10.52 | Guerin | fearl: that's a function of windows being broken. |
| 05:11.12 | Guerin | fearl: where a centralised repository of codecs exists, it's already a non-issue. |
| 05:11.13 | fearl | Guerin: Linux* |
| 05:11.16 | Bogus8 | Guerin: cool, I haven't looked... |
| 05:11.26 | Guerin | fearl: i haven't had to search for codecs in *years*. |
| 05:11.29 | boo | Bogus8, lol restarting the machine still same result, but yeh i check my rc services and net.lo wasnt started for some reason it was removed from the list *sigh* |
| 05:11.40 | fearl | Guerin: Sure... if you're installing Debian... Debian isn't the only OS I use. |
| 05:11.51 | Guerin | fearl: you have my condolences. |
| 05:12.02 | Bogus8 | boo: did that get it going then? |
| 05:12.08 | boo | Bogus8, yep |
| 05:12.23 | boo | Bogus8, thanks for the help again =] |
| 05:12.46 | Bogus8 | Guerin: but then again are you going EVERYWHERE someoen else might go... there are other codecs being used that I feel can't ALL be in vlc... though it does a VERY good job and is my go to replacement for poeple on windows systems |
| 05:12.48 | fearl | I still haven't found a good implementation of WMV or AVI on Solaris or FreeBSD :/ |
| 05:12.54 | Bogus8 | boo: no prob.. have fun! |
| 05:13.05 | fearl | I don't even know of a good DivX codec for Linux :/ |
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| 05:13.40 | Guerin | Bogus8: the only exceptions are proprietary codecs, which by definition are not worth creating media for unless you own the codec (as sony does in one case) |
| 05:13.44 | Bogus8 | fearl: I have a hard time believing that... but that's just an assumption |
| 05:13.56 | Guerin | fearl: um ... you fail. |
| 05:14.04 | Supaplex | how do I print the fingerprints of hostkeys in /etc/ssh/*.pub ? |
| 05:14.08 | fearl | It's a MESS, I'd prefer a monopoly pertaining to Freeware, rather than the nuisance of the situation only a year ago |
| 05:14.11 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I mainly refer to more obscure codecs that some odd site uses for some strange reason |
| 05:14.22 | Bogus8 | and theres bink and smacker codecs |
| 05:14.31 | Guerin | Supaplex: cat file | lpr -P print0r |
| 05:14.45 | fearl | Guerin: I fail because I want an KISS solution? Neat :/ |
| 05:14.54 | Supaplex | I want the fingerprint not the contents |
| 05:15.00 | fearl | Guerin: Thing is, my opinion is winning, so this discussion is moot |
| 05:15.02 | Guerin | fearl: no, you fail because you are complaining about a problem which is already solved. |
| 05:15.11 | graytron | Supaplex: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 05:15.15 | Bogus8 | fearl: but the monopoly ISN'T freeware... the authoring apps aren't free... I can't encode into flash from Vegas or Final Cut Pro but I can go into lots of other codecs |
| 05:15.19 | fearl | Guerin: By everyone using Flash, it is solved. |
| 05:15.25 | Guerin | divx is *trivially* playable practically everywhere (even if it is complete shit) |
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| 05:15.40 | fearl | Guerin: via what codec? |
| 05:16.03 | fearl | Guerin: FFmpeg doesn't support it last I checked... w32codecs doesn't either in my experience... feel free to enlighten me though. |
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| 05:16.33 | x_link | Hi |
| 05:16.55 | x_link | If I have a harddrive that is NTFS and put it in my Linux-machine. Then I must format it as FAT32 right? |
| 05:17.04 | x_link | To be able to get acess to the files etc.? |
| 05:17.05 | fearl | Bogus8: There are free implementations of Flash actually... if those improve, that will be perfectly viable. |
| 05:17.19 | Bogus8 | but they aren't addequate now |
| 05:17.30 | Guerin | fearl: Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family |
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| 05:17.40 | fearl | Guerin: That is AVI |
| 05:17.52 | Bogus8 | fearl: do they have free flash encoders for the major platforms mac, win, linux? |
| 05:17.56 | Guerin | fearl: avi is a container format |
| 05:17.58 | Guerin | not a codec |
| 05:18.01 | Guerin | Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) |
| 05:18.43 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 05:18.44 | fearl | Guerin: Neat... go search around for more and see if they play. |
| 05:19.01 | Guerin | um ... they do |
| 05:19.05 | ameyer | Bogus8: I think ffmpeg can encode to flv or something |
| 05:19.09 | x_link | I have a file on my Linux machine that I want to put on my NTFS disk, can somebody help me a bit? |
| 05:19.15 | Guerin | fearl: you might forget that I run a video distribution site with 20,000-some members |
| 05:19.23 | Bogus8 | fearl: basically bottom line is right now if flash is standard it's easy for the users but it cost the developers/artist money to get quality product |
| 05:19.24 | windyh | x_link: if you format it, there won't be any files |
| 05:19.35 | fearl | Guerin: Not in my experience... only video's using older encoders... |
| 05:19.41 | x_link | windyh: Okej, so I MUST format it to FAT32, right? |
| 05:20.04 | windyh | you want files to be available to both windows and linux? |
| 05:20.08 | Bogus8 | fearl: any system can encode into some descent codecs by default without having to sacrifice quality or money |
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| 05:20.25 | fearl | Bogus8: Gstreamer can encode and decode Flash (with the required plugin) |
| 05:20.29 | ameyer | x_link: ntfs-3g |
| 05:20.42 | Bogus8 | bout to say that ameyer |
| 05:20.45 | x_link | windyh: I just put in a harddrive that is NTFS, I just want to copy a file from my linux harddrive to the NTFS harddrive. |
| 05:20.48 | Guerin | yeah, one good aspect of flv is that is is pretty well-implemented |
| 05:20.58 | Guerin | but that's not so much a function of flash itself |
| 05:21.04 | x_link | But I don't want to delete all the files on the disk. |
| 05:21.11 | windyh | x_link: ameyer knows more about it that I do |
| 05:21.16 | Bogus8 | fearl: can that be used on mac and windows and is it any good? can you deliever an mp4 quality product with that? |
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| 05:21.27 | Bogus8 | or even the wmv's have some nice looking codecs that look good |
| 05:21.28 | x_link | ameyer: Okej, what is nfts-3g? |
| 05:21.35 | x_link | Should I format it to ntfs-3g? |
| 05:21.41 | Guerin | Bogus8: the only thing close to `mp4' quality is [xh].264 - because that's what you call mp4 uses |
| 05:21.46 | Bogus8 | x_link: package that lets you mount ntfs systems r/w |
| 05:21.48 | fearl | Bogus8: On a Mac, yes... I think they are porting to Windows *shrug* |
| 05:22.05 | x_link | ok |
| 05:22.06 | Guerin | 264 is WAY more betterer than any other codec, in quality/size terms |
| 05:22.14 | x_link | Bogus8: sudo aptitude install ntfs-3g? |
| 05:22.17 | x_link | Then I can do it? |
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| 05:22.31 | x_link | Copy/paste a file from linux harddrive to my NTFS harddrive? |
| 05:22.34 | Guerin | though theora has potential |
| 05:22.38 | Supaplex | !ntfs-3g |
| 05:22.38 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
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| 05:23.32 | Bogus8 | which is my point... with a "wide open" market you can pick from many different codecs and select the level of quality over size blah blah blah... with flash you are stuck with shitty highly compressed crap because the end system (flash player) can't handle it... if that's not the reason then flash just plain and simple sucks and looks like crap ;) |
| 05:23.42 | Guerin | Bogus8: exactly. |
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| 05:23.55 | Guerin | Bogus8: competition good. Monopoly bad. |
| 05:24.04 | Bogus8 | IF flash could get some quality stuff together THEN I would agree... and allow the codecs to be free |
| 05:24.16 | Guerin | fearl: once again: Your lack of imagination shouldn't limit my options. |
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| 05:24.19 | fearl | Bogus8: Browse around tv-links.co.uk ... many are very good quality. |
| 05:24.34 | Bogus8 | fearl: I'm fairly certain apple.com's movie trailer site doesn't ;) |
| 05:24.36 | Bogus8 | add that one |
| 05:24.44 | fearl | Bogus8: That was one of them |
| 05:24.50 | fearl | Bogus8: The other is teamtalk.com |
| 05:24.52 | Guerin | fearl: yeah ... right. You know people are encoding video to 720p and 1080i nowadays, yeah? |
| 05:25.01 | Bogus8 | fearl: try apple traliers and see REAL quality.. not some shite your blind ass tolerates ;) |
| 05:25.26 | fearl | Bogus8: They are worse quality than some of the flash video's I've watched *shrug* |
| 05:25.32 | fearl | Choppy on full screen........ |
| 05:25.58 | Bogus8 | I can selectively choose bad videos to refer to that will support my arguement also, but that isn't very honest |
| 05:25.59 | x_link | Bogus8: Thanks alot! |
| 05:26.12 | x_link | Supaplex: Thanks! |
| 05:26.12 | Bogus8 | x_link: thank ameyer he suggested it ;) |
| 05:26.20 | rahul | fearl: so your computer's speed determines the quality of the video file? |
| 05:26.21 | x_link | Thanks ameyer ! =) |
| 05:26.28 | x_link | Now I just have to see if I will understand how to do it =) |
| 05:26.30 | x_link | brb |
| 05:26.38 | Guerin | fearl: chop is a bad decoder or broken audio/video setup, unless you're cooking with an old machine. But yeah, x264 ius very cpu-hungry. That's how it looks so good.. |
| 05:26.59 | Bogus8 | yeah fearl I was also thinking your machine was to be blamed for the lack of quality on those trailers... because they are pretty awesome considering their size |
| 05:27.00 | fearl | Anyway, with sites like YouTube/Google Video/alluc.org/MySpace Video's/tv-links.co.uk... even some porn sites... Flash is going NO WHERE... this is really a moot discussion. |
| 05:27.01 | rahul | ZOMG. the 486 box in the corner of the high school's computer lab is ruining the quality of my DVDs!! |
| 05:27.04 | Guerin | almost ALL chop comes from a broken audio setup, or using the wrong video overlay (or none) |
| 05:27.13 | Guerin | windows is pretty good in that regard, actually. |
| 05:27.45 | fearl | I use flash more than I use my TV, probably... |
| 05:27.47 | Guerin | fearl: it's not a discussion about what IS; it's a discussion about what could be. |
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| 05:27.58 | Bogus8 | windows is also not going anywheres... doesn't mean it's not crap ;) |
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| 05:28.20 | Bogus8 | no wonder you can't tell good video when you see it ;) |
| 05:28.45 | Bogus8 | Guerin: exactly... |
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| 05:28.59 | fearl | Guerin: Choice is not always a good thing. |
| 05:29.08 | Bogus8 | crappy people hurting themselves or lipsyncing to some bad song doesn't need great quality ;) |
| 05:29.09 | Guerin | fearl: i disagree most wholeheartedly. |
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| 05:29.30 | Bogus8 | fearl: LOL, you a military man? |
| 05:29.34 | Guerin | fearl: at the vest least, I'd like to choose whether I get a choice. |
| 05:29.36 | fearl | Guerin: Ask your mother to decide a desktop to use, then tell me it's not bad. |
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| 05:29.50 | joga | why let your mother decide for you? |
| 05:29.56 | Guerin | fearl: lack of choice != sane defaults |
| 05:30.05 | Bogus8 | fearl: honestly for her it's better... I would have HELL if my mother tried to use linux |
| 05:30.15 | Bogus8 | and besides, her slot machine games wouldn't load ;) |
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| 05:30.21 | Guerin | you COULD argue flash is a sane default - but I disagree |
| 05:30.21 | tsocks | does anybody plays 'nethack' ? |
| 05:30.37 | Guerin | my mum uses debian |
| 05:30.48 | fearl | Guerin: Sane defaults are judged by those creating the defaults, not generally by the people intended to use it... thus is flawed. |
| 05:31.05 | Guerin | fearl: irrelevant. |
| 05:31.12 | Bogus8 | mine uses windows and can't even install a printer on that... you think she's got a rat's chance in a snake farm of doing it in Linux!! |
| 05:31.25 | joga | Bogus8, maybe it might be easier on linux? ;) |
| 05:31.39 | fearl | Guerin: So does mine... she uses the system I set up for her, and asks no questions because everything works for her... because I didn't give her choice, other than to use Linux. |
| 05:31.44 | tsocks | does anybody plays 'nethack' ? |
| 05:31.45 | Bogus8 | joga: hell, no... I hate printers on linux.. drives me to pulling my hair out EVERY damn time! |
| 05:31.54 | Guerin | my mum is about equally crap on windows and debian, but the latter means I can at least ssh in and fix her shit |
| 05:32.18 | Guerin | fearl: the plural of `anecdote' is not `data' |
| 05:32.20 | Bogus8 | lol, I remote in also... but she lives like 5 miles away and I get a free meal ;) |
| 05:32.25 | joga | Bogus8, the only one I've tried to install was in ubuntu, I chose to add a printer, then selected the model, and it was pretty boring actually since I haven't needed to mess with it since |
| 05:32.42 | Guerin | !anyone use nethack? |
| 05:32.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses nethack, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:32.58 | Bogus8 | joga: I've had laser printers that had .deb packages and all... still crap! |
| 05:33.05 | joga | ugh |
| 05:33.11 | Bogus8 | and the instructions were 3 pages long |
| 05:33.31 | liable | must be a brother |
| 05:33.38 | joga | well, I haven't actually tried to use the scanner on the printer/copymachinething I have |
| 05:33.53 | joga | I bet it is a bit trickier to fix |
| 05:34.09 | Bogus8 | I'm all for linux bashing the crap out of MS, but honestly it's not user friendly enough... I even put Ubuntu on this laptop and had all the same issues as with debain... touchpad was SLOW as hell |
| 05:34.29 | Bogus8 | blah blah blah... lots of quirks that you dont' ahve to deal with in windows... sadly that is why it's hard to get people over |
| 05:34.37 | fearl | Guerin: My point is, making things more simple for people is NOT a bad thing... and you should just accept that it will become a standard, I would bet that it'll be as popular or moreso than PDF in a few years... |
| 05:34.44 | joga | windows has its own quirks to deal with |
| 05:34.45 | Bogus8 | I can't honestly recommend linux to the majority of the people I talk to |
| 05:34.57 | Bogus8 | joga: I agree |
| 05:35.10 | Bogus8 | but the basics function ;) |
| 05:35.22 | Guerin | fearl: not necessarily a bad thing, right. But simplification to the exclusion of options IS a bad thing. Monocultures are vulnerable. |
| 05:35.43 | joga | basics function if you don't care that you're using a system that is entirely closed, run by a corporation with mixed intentions ;) |
| 05:35.49 | Laser | Bogus8: go laser printers! :P |
| 05:35.49 | x_link | Sorry for being off-topic, but how do I ignore a person? |
| 05:35.53 | x_link | I really HATE this guy. |
| 05:35.59 | Bogus8 | I even tried putting a linux system on one of my offshore platforms so they couldn't break it as easy and I could remote in WAY easier vs remote desktop over satellite (SLOW)... and it didn't work |
| 05:36.03 | joga | /ignore nick, usually |
| 05:36.08 | Supaplex | !tell x_link about ignore |
| 05:36.09 | Guerin | x_link: depends on your irc client/. try /ignore nick |
| 05:36.14 | Bogus8 | their excel sheets had so much formatting form corporate that they couldn't print them |
| 05:36.22 | glasserc | When I run gnome-control-center, it changes all of my GTK fonts, which I've specified in ~/.gtkrc-2.0. Why? How do I change them back? |
| 05:36.22 | fearl | Guerin: Would you argue this so much if the discussion was about PDF? When it first came out you likely would have, before it was accepted, probably. |
| 05:36.22 | Bogus8 | Laser: that's all I use baby! |
| 05:36.31 | Supaplex | haha. nm what dpkg said. just /help ignore :) |
| 05:36.32 | Laser | yeah! |
| 05:36.38 | x_link | Guerin: Thanks! |
| 05:36.40 | Supaplex | I <3 my hp clj 4550dn |
| 05:36.44 | Guerin | fearl: fuck yeah, I hate adobe's fucked-up pdf evilness. |
| 05:36.48 | x_link | Supaplex: hehehe ok =) |
| 05:36.52 | Guerin | !adobe |
| 05:36.52 | dpkg | i heard adobe is now the company distributing the flash plugin, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer for installing that flash plugin on debian systems, or http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 05:36.56 | Bogus8 | joga: like I said, I would LOVE to see linux take off... I'm just stating a fact from the mindless average consumer point of view/use |
| 05:37.01 | Guerin | fearl: see that last link ↑ |
| 05:37.26 | x_link | Guerin: So now I will never see his nick right? |
| 05:37.28 | ameyer | pdf's better than the alternative |
| 05:37.32 | Guerin | fearl: but I *do* love PDFs. I just want them to actually all be made to an open spec. |
| 05:37.37 | Guerin | x_link: hopefully. |
| 05:37.39 | x_link | Guerin: I will never see him writting etc.? |
| 05:37.43 | x_link | Guerin: Wow, thanks! =) |
| 05:37.45 | fearl | Guerin: Right now, Flash is the best method for delivering media, just as PDF was the best way to deliver documents... thus will only gain in popularity until something better comes along. |
| 05:37.51 | Guerin | fearl: bullshit. |
| 05:38.10 | Bogus8 | Guerin: agree 100% because they are a pain in the ass to fuck with right now... but a great uniform platform to start from |
| 05:38.12 | joga | Bogus8, I installed linux on my sister's computer, she was against it but I convinced her man that linux is the way to go and will suffice for them perfectly. I installed a dual boot win/ubuntu for them on a laptop and after fixing a couple of little details remotely, they haven't had any problems since |
| 05:38.13 | Guerin | fearl: it's the most widely distributed, but not necessarily the best. |
| 05:38.15 | ameyer | I thought PDF was an open standard... |
| 05:38.18 | Supaplex | YIPPIE! my rtl8185 based wireless adapter has GPL drivers direct from realtek |
| 05:38.44 | Guerin | ameyer: it is, but adobe goes ahead and adds proprietary extensions so people pay $$$$ for acrocrap |
| 05:38.53 | Bogus8 | joga: right... YOU installed it and worked out the kinks... the average person can actually install windows pretty easily but no way could they do that with linux |
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| 05:39.02 | Bogus8 | the drivers being the worst part of it all |
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| 05:39.07 | ameyer | well, other than the pesky "thou shalt respect our DRM flags or else" licensing term' |
| 05:39.28 | taime1 | i cant get more than one resolution after installing nvidia driver, what am i doing wrong?? here is my xorg.conf: http://pastehere.com/?onurnr |
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| 05:39.34 | Guerin | Supaplex: awesome |
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| 05:39.39 | fearl | Guerin: In that way Flash and PDF are similar... I wasn't speaking from a technical standpoint, most every box has support for both... it is the most widely used, thus best way to ensure people can open it. |
| 05:40.00 | ameyer | actually, I'd love for ODF to take off |
| 05:40.12 | ameyer | the problem is, what on Windoze reads it? |
| 05:40.16 | fearl | ameyer: Technically, ODF is a mess imo... very ugly format :/ |
| 05:40.16 | Guerin | fearl: i accept the statement that flash and pdf are similar IF you go back to the time when pdf wasn't an open standard. |
| 05:40.17 | x_link | Guerin: Damn, this /ignore is really nice =) |
| 05:40.18 | ameyer | OO.o? |
| 05:40.30 | ameyer | anything else? |
| 05:40.33 | Supaplex | Guerin: what's even better, is it's free after rebates. :) (and they're allready in the mail last week) |
| 05:40.37 | joga | Bogus8, yeah, there are kinks (though they were so minor that "normal" windows behaviour is worse) |
| 05:40.45 | Guerin | Supaplex: heh, sweet. |
| 05:40.53 | Bogus8 | fearl: yes, if I want to allow everyone to be able to look at crap with ZERO effort flash is the way to go.. but if I actually have some pride in my work and want to show it off the way it was meant to look then I RUN from flash! |
| 05:40.58 | Guerin | ameyer: oo.o = odf |
| 05:41.34 | jdavis_ | I am trying to use my s-video on my thinkpad laptop. It works fine with atitvout in CLI only, but in X it can't even detect that I have a TV out |
| 05:41.36 | fearl | Guerin: Adobe only just acquired control of Flash, I see Flash going in the same direction as PDF... Adobe isn't stupid enough to try to limit its acceptance... |
| 05:41.54 | Bogus8 | joga: as stated, I WANT linux to bust loose... I just know the trouble I've had on this brand new toshiba tecra m3 laptop and it's like MAN wtf! and I've been using X'less linux for 3 years |
| 05:41.56 | ameyer | fearl: you sure you aren't talking about OOXML (Microsoft's "open" xml format, for extremely small values of "open")? |
| 05:42.24 | Guerin | fearl: that would be positive. What's really needed is free alternatives which actually work, and that requires a stable and well-documented spec. |
| 05:42.31 | fearl | ameyer: OOXML is a cleaner format, but there are questions regarding Microsofts intentions with it.... |
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| 05:42.47 | Guerin | I bet adobe will release such a spec just as they roll out proprietary flash extensions. |
| 05:42.56 | Bogus8 | lol |
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| 05:43.10 | Guerin | fearl: ooxml has evil legalese. That's reason enough to avoid it. |
| 05:43.19 | joga | Bogus8, well, now that Fista has arrived, I bet linux gets more users |
| 05:43.32 | Guerin | anyway, I have to get back to writing my paper |
| 05:43.41 | Bogus8 | joga: no doubt, I would rather give people linux than that ball of crap! |
| 05:43.41 | joga | I've had some problems with certain laptops too |
| 05:43.55 | ameyer | fearl: bull |
| 05:43.59 | joga | though worse problems with vista, hah |
| 05:44.07 | fearl | Guerin: Agreed, more documentation, and alternative implementations would be ideal... but the latter at least is happening... GNU got Java GPL'ed because of the push they put into Classpath, most of that focus is now going to flash via Gnash |
| 05:44.14 | ameyer | fearl: if you've got Office's source code sitting around, perhaps |
| 05:44.17 | fearl | ameyer: Have you looked at the formats? |
| 05:44.24 | Guerin | fearl: well ... it's not properly GPLed yet (is it?) |
| 05:44.39 | ameyer | OOXML has all sorts of "do this like Word 95 did it" types of things |
| 05:44.41 | stiv2k | was network manager like removed or kept back??? nm-applet ? it disappeared after a dist-upgrade |
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| 05:44.49 | Guerin | ameyer: argh, evil. |
| 05:44.53 | fearl | Guerin: IceTea apparently is very complete... but no, OpenJDK isn't currently complete. |
| 05:44.57 | slapfaceware | is there voipstunt in linux? |
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| 05:45.17 | Supaplex | !jump |
| 05:45.17 | dpkg | How high? |
| 05:45.23 | Supaplex | no, but there's a dpkgstunt ;) |
| 05:45.33 | Supaplex | well, I don't know actually. :) |
| 05:46.33 | slapfaceware | ignorant |
| 05:46.59 | joga | voipstunt web page seems, uh, weird |
| 05:47.09 | joga | they give you free landline calls, huh? |
| 05:47.10 | Supaplex | you could search. see what dpkg told you |
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| 05:47.27 | Supaplex | !pkgstats |
| 05:47.30 | slapfaceware | i believe you can read english? |
| 05:47.35 | Supaplex | !packagestats |
| 05:48.06 | fearl | Guerin: Sun did however open source (under the GPL no less, to work with Classpath - even having Classpaths exception) everything they controlled, so in my opinion it is a success... and who's to say that Java 7 isn't based on the IceTea work? |
| 05:48.13 | joga | I can, just that looks like some phisher site to me, or pretty lame otherwise e;) |
| 05:48.40 | joga | I especially like the "NO adware, malware, spyware" banners, heh |
| 05:48.40 | fearl | IcedTea* |
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| 05:48.52 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: with 2-3 DVDs full of debian packages, I'm not going to bother. either use the 'search' fishing pole, or do without. that's unless you want to pay someone... |
| 05:48.53 | slapfaceware | yes, joga, it's a trap |
| 05:49.11 | slapfaceware | debian.org is much better |
| 05:49.46 | slapfaceware | debian is alot better than voip |
| 05:50.10 | Bogus8 | joga: well, I'll brb, I go to reboot to windows to program my fta (something linux can't do yet :( ) :p |
| 05:50.10 | joga | slapfaceware, do you absolutely necessarily have to use voipstunt and skype for example won't do? |
| 05:50.16 | joga | Bogus8, bye then |
| 05:50.21 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 05:50.47 | fearl | joga: You're recommending Skype over Google Talk? :/ |
| 05:50.49 | joga | (though skype linux client is pretty crap) |
| 05:50.58 | joga | you get sound in google talk (on linux)? |
| 05:51.00 | slapfaceware | yes, i have to use voipstunt |
| 05:51.10 | Guerin | skype is another thing which is evil and wrong |
| 05:51.24 | fearl | Guerin: That I agree with :) |
| 05:51.42 | fearl | Guerin: What is the project doing SIP, and open source? |
| 05:51.51 | joga | slapfaceware, well then you probably can read english too, and the system requirements for voipstunt on the webpage |
| 05:51.51 | fearl | OpenMeeko or something? |
| 05:52.15 | joga | not sure how well voip progs would run under wine or such |
| 05:53.03 | fearl | joga: Skype is a joke, please don't recommend it. |
| 05:53.13 | joga | I didn't recommend it |
| 05:53.31 | Guerin | fearl: there are several, but yeah, I think it's something like that. |
| 05:54.10 | fearl | Guerin: It's in Debian, I just can't recall its name... it's VERY nice though... written in Qt on all platforms 8) |
| 05:54.11 | joga | I would just like some prog to chat with mom and siblings a couple of times in a year, so that the client won't crash and preferably I could get video calls too |
| 05:54.52 | joga | what would be the Good voip program to use on linux then? |
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| 05:55.45 | taime1 | i cant get more than one resolution after installing nvidia driver, what am i doing wrong?? here is my xorg.conf: http://pastehere.com/?onurnr |
| 05:55.51 | fearl | !openwengo |
| 05:56.11 | joga | taime1, you only have one resolution configured, seems to me |
| 05:56.38 | joga | taime1, add modes to line 123 to get more |
| 05:56.40 | taime1 | the problem is that i only get 800x600 |
| 05:56.44 | joga | oh |
| 05:56.55 | taime1 | i have had it where all res listed |
| 05:56.58 | fearl | !openwengo is a community of enthusiasts and developers, creating free software products related to communication over IP, see http://www.openwengo.org/ |
| 05:56.58 | dpkg | okay, fearl |
| 05:57.02 | taime1 | i tried it most recently with just one |
| 05:57.14 | Bogus8 | umm *gulp* anyone know if there is a driver to support ext3 in windows ;) |
| 05:57.18 | fearl | joga: Wengo is _very_ nice. |
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| 05:57.23 | joga | Bogus8, yeah, at least read I think |
| 05:57.45 | joga | Bogus8...and I don't know how reliable it is ;) I wouldn't mess with the root fs at least hehe |
| 05:57.56 | Bogus8 | joga: seems like being an open format they would have both, but hey, beggers can't be choosers ;) |
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| 05:58.14 | joga | fearl, does it have proper encryption and can I call my mom's skype with it? :) |
| 05:58.20 | Bogus8 | joga: so I shouldn't edit menu.lst with it? LOL |
| 05:58.47 | fearl | joga: You should inform your Mom about the standards used by Wengo. |
| 05:59.00 | joga | Bogus8, heh, you could try. I just haven't, so I can't say ;) I remember reading some files but never writing |
| 05:59.14 | fearl | joga: Skype uses NO standards what so ever... Wengo can also do video chats etc etc. |
| 05:59.20 | joga | ok nice |
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| 05:59.48 | joga | I was trying to find a client that would support video for both linux and windows |
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| 05:59.52 | joga | guess this might do |
| 06:00.02 | Bogus8 | joga: just wondering as sometimes I'd like to get into my windows on this laptop remotely and I could edit menu.lst to get it to boot by default but I want to be able to get back (remotely) |
| 06:00.14 | fearl | joga: apt-cache show wengophone ... also, Kopete and aMSN both support video... |
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| 06:00.57 | joga | yeah but I don't have kopete and only use msn if I have some very good reason, and mom doesn't use neither :) |
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| 06:01.32 | joga | didn't know that aMSN supports it though, it seemed like a very simple program last time I tried |
| 06:01.34 | Supaplex | hah. building r8180 module... why'd the source go poof? lol http://rafb.net/p/3sSobe84.html |
| 06:01.38 | fearl | joga: Wengo is likely your best choice then... |
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| 06:01.55 | joga | probably |
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| 06:02.26 | dobby | is there a possibility to find out if I have installed amd64 or 32bit debian? |
| 06:02.43 | fearl | dobby: uname -a |
| 06:02.50 | Supaplex | dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 06:02.58 | dobby | 2.6.21-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 26 17:22:54 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 06:03.05 | fearl | AMD64 |
| 06:03.32 | fearl | dobby: Did you really need to paste that though? You couldn't tell from the output? |
| 06:03.41 | dobby | hmm, I have a nx6325 an bought 4GB ram. The bios shows 4GB but Debian just 2.8GB ??? |
| 06:03.43 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 06:04.46 | fearl | Does it use himem or whatever? |
| 06:05.35 | fearl | dobby: cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep MEM |
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| 06:05.52 | fearl | dobby: Throw that onto a pastebot |
| 06:05.58 | markybob | is there a way to disable ctrl+alt+fx when xscreensaver is locked? |
| 06:06.07 | Supaplex | !uuoca fearl |
| 06:06.47 | fearl | Supaplex: ? |
| 06:06.54 | Supaplex | useless use of cat award |
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| 06:07.14 | fearl | Supaplex: *shrug* makes more sense in my head :/ |
| 06:07.26 | Supaplex | grep MEM /boot/config-`uname -r` :) |
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| 06:07.44 | simonrvn | grep MEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) :) |
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| 06:08.23 | dobby | ok posted it in #pastebot |
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| 06:08.42 | fearl | dobby: ugh... |
| 06:08.51 | fearl | !tell dobby about paster |
| 06:09.22 | dobby | ok :-) |
| 06:09.41 | fearl | dobby: but... 'grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G /boot/config-`uname -r`, if that says =y ... then there shouldn't be an issue. |
| 06:10.14 | dobby | http://paste.debian.net/36300 |
| 06:11.18 | fearl | Uhh... fun... I have a 32bit system currently, I don't see anything applicable there... |
| 06:11.45 | fearl | Then 64bit is supposed to allow it anyways though |
| 06:12.29 | dobby | so what? I don't understand that? Do I have a 64bit or 32bit debian installed? |
| 06:12.55 | dobby | uname shoes the amd64 arch shows x86_64 |
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| 06:13.12 | dobby | so why can't i adress the full 4GB? |
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| 06:13.35 | dobby | and what about this HIGHMEM4G issue. thought that this is just for 32bit systems |
| 06:13.37 | fearl | I dunno... no reason I know of. |
| 06:13.47 | fearl | dobby: Apparently it is ;) |
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| 06:15.21 | markybob | is there a way to have /etc/shadow use sha-256 or higher? |
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| 06:19.58 | simonrvn | markybob: pam_unix2; YMMV |
| 06:20.08 | Bogus8 | is there a gui frontend for scp? |
| 06:20.32 | markybob | simonrvn: thank you |
| 06:21.01 | uski | hi; /etc/group is driving me crazy. If i do "adduser USER GRP" it says "USER already belongs to group GRP", but if I enter "groups" in a shell, it does not list my user as being part of GRP. furthermore, I cannot exec files owned by xxx:GRP with 750 rights. What I am doing wrong ? |
| 06:21.16 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: is that what I would use to "encrypt"/"hash" whatever it's called a password that I need to store in a script? |
| 06:22.03 | lhadie | hope this hasn't been asked too many times but.. how safe is using the partition resizing tool on debian netinst 4.0 to resize an existing windows partition? (that takes up the whole hd) |
| 06:22.06 | uski | is there another place where groups are stored than /etc/group ? |
| 06:22.07 | markybob | Bogus8: for that you should probably just use echo "password" |sha256sum |
| 06:22.34 | Bogus8 | markybob: ok, so sha256sum is what I need to read up on |
| 06:22.48 | Bogus8 | it doesn't need to be incredibly secure... just don't want plain text ;) |
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| 06:23.09 | Moxx | hello |
| 06:23.25 | markybob | Bogus8: sha256 is secure :) |
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| 06:23.56 | Bogus8 | roger.. thanks |
| 06:25.05 | Moxx | this isn't a debian question per se, but I figure someone around here has to know. My cpu (an AMD 64 X2 5200+ Windsor) is listed with a maximum temperature of 55-70C. So, I'm wondering...which is it? 55? or 70? Anyone understand how these specs work? I looked at their whitepaper and it has a chart equating max temperature to TDP, I have no idea what that's about. |
| 06:25.25 | Guerin | Moxx: CPUs start to die above about 60°C |
| 06:25.50 | Guerin | Moxx: so it's very likely to lower end of that scale |
| 06:25.53 | Guerin | the |
| 06:25.54 | uski | Moxx: the problem is that your CPU temperature is not evenly spread accross the die |
| 06:25.59 | Guerin | right |
| 06:26.08 | uski | if the outer casing is 50°C, probably some places of the die are already at 85°C |
| 06:26.09 | Guerin | and also: you can't trust your instruments |
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| 06:26.29 | orming | exit |
| 06:26.30 | Guerin | it might SAY it's 55°C, but you have no way of knowing |
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| 06:26.48 | markybob | Guerin: fuck, man, it's been a while. good to see you're still around :) |
| 06:26.57 | Guerin | markybob: hey, sup! |
| 06:27.06 | Guerin | i'm avoiding writing a methodology review |
| 06:27.11 | Guerin | which is due tonight |
| 06:27.14 | markybob | Guerin: since i've stopped coming in here, i noticed that you took over my place as #1 curse user....well done ;) |
| 06:27.19 | Moxx | Guerin, yeah, I had read about that part. But still, it gives me an idea of how well the fan/heatsink are working. and this case Id say not well at all |
| 06:27.25 | uski | the best CPU temperature monitoring uses a diode inside the die itself, but as i said the temperature is not even on the die so it is not very reliable |
| 06:27.44 | Guerin | Moxx: you back on a boat? |
| 06:27.46 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:27.53 | Guerin | markybob: you back on a boat? |
| 06:28.21 | uski | Moxx, you may also need to know that the failure rate of the electronic components increase exponentially with the temperature they are used at |
| 06:28.23 | markybob | Guerin: no, i'm completely out of the navy and will never be called back. i've just been really busy with work |
| 06:28.30 | Guerin | heh, nice |
| 06:28.33 | Moxx | I ran two processes of folding@home to see what it does with this new heatsink/fan. it got up to be 59 before I freaked out and stopped |
| 06:28.34 | lhadie | so.. can I use the debian partition resizing tool during installation to resize an existing windows partition? |
| 06:28.35 | Guerin | yeah, me too |
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| 06:28.42 | Guerin | they promoted my arse to mannijment |
| 06:29.06 | uski | Moxx: I think 59°C is OK but you shouldn't reach more than 65°C which seems to be the limit as far as I know |
| 06:29.37 | Dewi | uski: the limit is higher than that last time I checked. But anything above 50 indicates something is wrong IMO |
| 06:29.45 | markybob | Guerin: i'm in the strange spot of owning a startup...so i have to work my ass off and not really get the benefits of owning the company quite yet :p |
| 06:30.12 | Guerin | markybob: heh. But you're your own boss! |
| 06:30.31 | markybob | Guerin: yes, i kick my own ass. heh |
| 06:30.36 | jas4711 | is there a known bug in the debian BTS that causes the summary to contain 'Will Not Fix' even though the bugs don't have that tag? See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=nonfree-doc;users=debian-release@lists.debian.org;nam0=Severity;pri0=severity:critical,grave,serious,important,normal,minor,wishlist;nam1=License;ttl1=GNU%20Free%20Documentation%20License,Open%20Publication%20License,RFC%20License,Other%20License:%20Unmodi |
| 06:30.36 | jas4711 | fiable,Test;pri1=tag:gfdl,opl,rfc,unmodifiable;nam2=Status;pri2=pending:pending,forwarded,pending-fixed,fixed,done,absent;ttl2=Outstanding,Forwarded,Pending%20Upload,Fixed%20in%20NMU,Resolved,From%20other%20Branch,Unknown%20Pending%20Status;nam3=Classification;pri3=pending=pending%2Btag=wontfix,pending=pending%2Btag=moreinfo,pending=pending%2Btag=patch,pending=pending%2Btag=confirmed,pending=pending;ttl3=Will%20Not%20Fix,More%20informatio |
| 06:30.36 | jas4711 | n%20needed,Patch%20Available,Confirmed,Unclassified;ord3=2,3,4,1,0,5#_2_2_0_4 |
| 06:30.45 | Moxx | uski, but what about the fact my cpu specs say 55-70? what about those lowest 10 degrees if I let it get to 65? |
| 06:30.55 | Moxx | syas max of 55-70 I mean |
| 06:31.00 | Guerin | markybob: do you write yourself written warnings for turning up to work drunk? |
| 06:31.07 | ameyer | holy long-ass link batman |
| 06:31.23 | markybob | Guerin: god i hope not...i'm drunk right now :) |
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| 06:31.27 | jas4711 | oops didn't realize the link was that long. sorry |
| 06:31.38 | Guerin | jas4711: jeeebus |
| 06:31.40 | ameyer | tinyurl it? |
| 06:31.44 | Moxx | Im definitely going to buy a new heatsink. I'm just wondering whether I can risk playing any intense games till hten |
| 06:31.51 | Guerin | you're lucky to not be k/d-lined |
| 06:31.58 | uski | Moxx: these temperatures does not really mean something. Sometimes the temperature is measured on the die itself, sometimes it's measured with a thermistor on the PCB of the motherboard, sometimes it's the temperature of the heatsink... |
| 06:32.17 | newio | pfft. all CPU's these days have automatic shutdown anyways |
| 06:32.20 | jas4711 | http://tinyurl.com/3dpesr |
| 06:32.21 | Guerin | Moxx: buy new goo, wash the old off with spirits (vodka works fine) and reapply |
| 06:32.23 | markybob | simonrvn: is blowfish the strongest that pam-unix2 supports? the man page doesnt really say |
| 06:32.30 | uski | Moxx: you can play instense games, but you will increase the odds of a component near the processor failing prematurely |
| 06:32.44 | ameyer | sometimes it's a measurement somewhere with a semi-arbitrary value added to it |
| 06:32.51 | uski | there are some surface mount capacitors on the CPU itself that usually do not like to be heated too much |
| 06:33.03 | uski | usually the CPU die itself can withstand temperature far higher than 70°C |
| 06:33.22 | uski | _but_ the performances start to degrade and you may get some system crashes |
| 06:33.36 | uski | what happen is that the electrical caracterisis of the transistors inside the CPU change with temperature |
| 06:33.45 | markybob | basically, if you can run "crashme +2000 666 100 1:00:00" without crashing, your heat issue isnt a problem |
| 06:33.51 | Guerin | heh, we have a bona fide EE in the house |
| 06:34.19 | uski | o:) |
| 06:34.52 | Moxx | so, if I set my bios alarm to the lowest setting (which it already is, and I think that's 65C iirc), then I should be fine until I get a new heatsink? |
| 06:34.59 | uski | i think so |
| 06:35.08 | uski | you can even put 70°C if you want... |
| 06:35.17 | Guerin | overclocking was worthwhile when you could realistically gain 30-50% without any danger or extra cooling gear |
| 06:35.27 | Guerin | but nowadays it's mostly just a waste of time |
| 06:35.30 | uski | yea |
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| 06:35.38 | uski | and who needs the 10% extra power ? |
| 06:35.51 | Guerin | right |
| 06:35.53 | uski | my computer is a 1.5 GHz and I'm quite happy with that |
| 06:36.09 | uski | if you don't play games, you don't need a powerful computer |
| 06:36.16 | uski | most people tend to forget this |
| 06:36.21 | Moxx | I used to overclock back in the 2.2 era. But I got tired of never knowing whether it's the fault of my overclocking any time I ran into some issue |
| 06:36.31 | uski | i've seen a lot of friends buying some dual core gear just to surf on Google and write some letters |
| 06:36.33 | cafuego | My 20 million row database begs to differ |
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| 06:36.58 | Guerin | cafuego: 640k rows should be enough for anybody! |
| 06:37.04 | uski | cafuego, you're right; i fogot to mention that i was speaking of personnal use |
| 06:37.06 | uski | lol |
| 06:37.33 | Guerin | hey, by West Auckland standards I'm a superb driver |
| 06:37.48 | cafuego | Guerin: There's this awful car-crash of a reality show on tv here |
| 06:37.53 | Moxx | hehe. yeah, I was about to say, we run quad Xeon servers at work and we still can't handle as much as we'd like to |
| 06:37.57 | Guerin | like the other 91% of NZers who claim to be `very good' or `excellent' drivers |
| 06:37.58 | cafuego | Guerin: NZ Highway Patrol |
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| 06:38.11 | Guerin | cafuego: hah, yeah, we have it too. |
| 06:38.14 | uski | Moxx: what are these servers doing ? if not confidential or anything |
| 06:38.28 | uski | i'm always curious about real-life uses |
| 06:38.33 | markybob | cafuego: good to see you too, man. fuck yeah the old school guys are still around :) that makes me happy |
| 06:38.40 | Guerin | !aww |
| 06:38.40 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 06:38.43 | Moxx | sniffing a crapload of traffic |
| 06:38.53 | Guerin | Moxx: ZOMG you work for the RIAA? |
| 06:38.53 | cafuego | uski: That's not to say that most of the time my systems don;t idle; they do, but when I need them to do wotk, I want them to do it *fast* :-) |
| 06:38.54 | uski | intrusion detection ? |
| 06:38.57 | markybob | blah blah blah |
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| 06:39.01 | jdavis_ | am i supposed to have "/usr/sbin/termwrap" in my inittab? It doesn't exist so init keeps giving me errors |
| 06:39.05 | cafuego | hey its markybobdeb |
| 06:39.26 | markybob | yeah, that's been a while :) |
| 06:39.42 | Moxx | no. but I help monitor a huge network |
| 06:39.45 | cafuego | Surely no more than 5 or 10 years? |
| 06:39.51 | uski | cafuego, i agree... but i don't feel the difference between a $350 and $1000 computer nowadays for "classic" computer use |
| 06:40.07 | markybob | cafuego: true...i guess we define "a while" differently.... ;) |
| 06:40.11 | cafuego | uski: If those are hong kong dollars, I bet you do |
| 06:40.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:40.18 | uski | :) |
| 06:40.26 | Guerin | most pointless currency evar |
| 06:40.27 | jdavis_ | would someone mind just doing a "grep termwrap /etc/inittab" to see if they have it in their inittab also? |
| 06:40.38 | Moxx | at home I do a lot of image editing, so I need a lot of power. plus I play the occasional game |
| 06:40.50 | markybob | jdavis_: hell no |
| 06:41.03 | Guerin | jdavis_: no match |
| 06:41.13 | jdavis_ | markybob: any idea how it may have gotten there? is it some kind of attack? |
| 06:41.15 | Moxx | uski, I missed that message. yeah IDS |
| 06:41.26 | uski | you can't imagine how confused i am with currencies, i've been living in the USA for ~2weeks, i come from a country which uses Euro, and I regularly buy things in Asia (on the fleabay) and they use all sort of currencies |
| 06:41.32 | markybob | jdavis_: are you really an ubuntu user faking it on #debian? i have no idea :) |
| 06:41.34 | uski | Moxx: which IDS do you use ? |
| 06:41.44 | jdavis_ | markybob no, debian all the way |
| 06:41.45 | uski | prelude ? snort ? another one i don't know ? |
| 06:41.46 | Moxx | uski, I'm not sure that I'm allowed to say |
| 06:41.48 | uski | ok |
| 06:41.53 | uski | don't say then |
| 06:41.54 | uski | :) |
| 06:42.07 | jdavis_ | markybob: It's a pretty fresh install of etch too... kinda has me worried |
| 06:42.22 | Guerin | uski: i went through about 8 currencies in four months last year |
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| 06:42.30 | Guerin | while travelling |
| 06:42.47 | Guerin | it just gets to the point where you figure out how much a beer costs and measure the value of everything in beer |
| 06:42.47 | Moxx | alright, Im gonna put folding@home back on on each processor and see if my motherboard alarm ever rings |
| 06:42.58 | uski | Guerin, another thing I need to get used to is the different taxes system in each country |
| 06:43.18 | uski | haha I like the idea of using the price of a beer as a universal currency |
| 06:43.24 | Guerin | `bus ride ... 150,000 kip ... hmm ... that's 15 beers |
| 06:43.25 | Guerin | ' |
| 06:43.32 | Guerin | uski: argh. |
| 06:43.53 | Guerin | uski: the system falls apart when you get to places with extreme excise taxes |
| 06:43.57 | Moxx | uski, what really gets to me when I'm in other countries is that their money feels like monopoly money. so, I'm apt to spend freely cus it doesn't feel real |
| 06:43.59 | Guerin | liek ... anywhere not in the third world |
| 06:44.11 | Guerin | Moxx: totally true. |
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| 06:44.44 | jdavis_ | markybob: hmm... looks to be some artifact of the install that didn't get cleaned up correctly. Weird. |
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| 06:45.13 | Moxx | it's not that I can't convert. I usually memorize the conversion rate as of my arrival. But still, psychologically it just feels like I'm paying them with play money |
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| 06:45.22 | uski | yup |
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| 06:45.43 | uski | i've never experienced that and i wish i will not because i already spend far too much money with "high value" currency.. |
| 06:46.04 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:46.04 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 06:46.08 | uski | fortunately for the eBay converts the monopoly money into real money immeduitly |
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| 06:47.55 | jdavis_ | markybob: http://www.annodex.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?termwrap+8 |
| 06:48.32 | markybob | jdavis_: makes me wonder why all of us dont have it. *shrug* |
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| 06:50.11 | jdavis_ | markybob: well, /usr/sbin/termwrap doesn't exist in ANY debian package. It must be a low level install thing that gets cleaned up, except mine didn't. |
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| 06:51.05 | Guerin | jdavis_: ask #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 06:51.23 | jdavis_ | Guerin: Ok, didn't know that existed. |
| 06:51.51 | jdavis_ | Guerin: I have my problem solved I guess (I Just edited the inittab), but I have no idea how that got left there. |
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| 06:52.14 | simonrvn | Moxx: it's play money wherever you go |
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| 06:52.48 | gambler | what is the best backup program, amanda bacula or something else? for a SOHO setup of about 5 computers mixed linux/windows environment. |
| 06:52.56 | Moxx | simonrvn, you're not about to go on a ron paul trip are you? |
| 06:53.19 | streuner_ | Who's "Ron Paul"? |
| 06:53.27 | simonrvn | Moxx: ron paul? |
| 06:53.40 | markybob | gambler: depends on your needs. take a look at http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:54.09 | Bogus8 | what do most people use for UPS monitoring software... kind of upset my server died during the last power outage :( |
| 06:54.20 | Moxx | he's a nutty US presidential candidate from the looney right that believes in, among other things, abolishing the Federal Reserve and going back to the gold standard |
| 06:54.37 | simonrvn | Moxx: both suck. he's nuts |
| 06:54.39 | gambler | marky: simplicity and elegance 'it just works' are at the top of my needs. |
| 06:54.50 | gambler | markybob, have you used both? |
| 06:55.05 | Guerin | jdavis_: yeah, that's worth looking into. |
| 06:55.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:55.34 | Bogus8 | Moxx: you mean when the paper is backed my hard currency... the horror ;) |
| 06:55.42 | Guerin | i love how geeks all think libertarianism is the answer to the world's ills |
| 06:55.50 | Guerin | it's so cute and naïve |
| 06:55.58 | markybob | gambler: i've used backuppc...yes. i'm not sure which other you're including in "both" |
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| 06:56.11 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 06:56.30 | markybob | here come the trolls...blah blah blah |
| 06:56.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:56.46 | Guerin | political trolls are my day job |
| 06:56.58 | Guerin | (and my research at the moment) |
| 06:57.14 | gambler | markybob: bacula |
| 06:57.20 | Bogus8 | well, their can't be a right if there isn't a wrong... so it takes all kinds ;) |
| 06:57.26 | markybob | gambler: never used that |
| 06:57.43 | Guerin | Bogus8: as long as you remember that three lefts make a right, you're good to go |
| 06:58.07 | Bogus8 | Guerin: the girl I'm dating does the opposite... ONLY makes rights! |
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| 06:58.39 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehehe |
| 06:58.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: :) |
| 06:59.17 | Bogus8 | what do most people use for UPS monitoring software? |
| 06:59.32 | Bogus8 | obviously something that can signal a halt ;) |
| 06:59.35 | joga | my wife has a reversed sense of left and right, and often does the opposite when I say "left" ;) |
| 06:59.43 | markybob | i dont see a need for UPS monitoring software if your UPS is any good |
| 06:59.47 | Guerin | jdavis_: ``NO!, the other left!'' |
| 06:59.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:59.53 | Bogus8 | joga: is she a elementary school teacher? |
| 06:59.54 | Guerin | joga: ↑ |
| 07:00.03 | joga | Guerin, heh yeah |
| 07:00.07 | joga | Bogus8, no, but could be |
| 07:00.08 | joga | :) |
| 07:00.24 | Bogus8 | joga: my mother teaches first grade so she often holds up her left when she says right |
| 07:00.25 | simonrvn | joga: my lady does too. she looks at her hands then she gets them straight. is she ambidextrous? |
| 07:00.29 | Bogus8 | kids mimic what they see |
| 07:00.39 | markybob | simonrvn: no, she's just a woman. |
| 07:00.49 | simonrvn | markybob: go away |
| 07:00.52 | markybob | ha |
| 07:01.09 | simonrvn | typical male superiority bullshit |
| 07:01.13 | joga | simonrvn, I think there was some explanation for such, I know a couple others who have the same thing :)= |
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| 07:01.29 | markybob | that wasnt male superiority bullshit. i cant cook worth shit... |
| 07:01.37 | simonrvn | joga: yeh. i did too for a while, up until my teens |
| 07:01.44 | simonrvn | markybob: *plonk* |
| 07:01.46 | markybob | heh |
| 07:01.47 | joga | simonrvn, right handed |
| 07:01.48 | markybob | :) |
| 07:01.57 | Bogus8 | in that case, then his statement was actually funny vs how I first thought of it |
| 07:02.32 | simonrvn | no, just a moron |
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| 07:03.32 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 07:03.32 | dpkg | plonk is, like, the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 07:03.32 | Bogus8 | in a sardonic manner it's funny |
| 07:03.59 | Moxx | well guys, thanks for the info. I'm gonna get going |
| 07:04.15 | markybob | Guerin: are you a deluge user? |
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| 07:04.50 | xand | dpkg: ORLY? |
| 07:04.50 | dpkg | i heard orly is an internet slang, short for "Oh, really?", mainly used to indicate sarcasm or acknowledgement of obviousness.Synonymous with a white snow owl: http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_owl.jpg |
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| 07:05.33 | Guerin | markybob: nope. Is that a bittorrent client? |
| 07:05.46 | Bogus8 | yeah it is |
| 07:05.49 | markybob | !deluge |
| 07:05.50 | dpkg | well, deluge is a pygtk bittorrent client co-developed by our very own markybob. visit http://www.deluge-torrent.org for more |
| 07:05.51 | markybob | :p |
| 07:05.53 | Bogus8 | I knew I knew that name |
| 07:06.10 | Guerin | eew, BOTH python AND gtk |
| 07:06.12 | Bogus8 | but it doesn't have DHT so it doesn't interest me :( |
| 07:06.20 | Guerin | i use rtorrent :) |
| 07:06.27 | markybob | Bogus8: that's bullshit. it has dht |
| 07:06.33 | Bogus8 | i user headless azureus and webui |
| 07:06.58 | Guerin | eech, azureus |
| 07:07.06 | Bogus8 | markybob: I couldn't find that I dont' think... wait it doesn't do headless... maybe that was why i strayed away from really looking at it |
| 07:07.21 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I refuse to use a GUI for something like that... so it works well |
| 07:07.28 | Bogus8 | if it didn't use java it would be great |
| 07:07.31 | markybob | Bogus8: 0.6 branch does, which is our development branch |
| 07:07.40 | Guerin | Bogus8: i use rtorrent for that reason |
| 07:07.46 | Bogus8 | I get great speed ZERO impact on my real computer and I can use it from anywhere in the world ;) |
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| 07:07.58 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 07:08.04 | Bogus8 | Guerin: look up... no DHT, no interest to me :( |
| 07:08.26 | markybob | rtorrent is shit. i'm biased, yeah, but still :p |
| 07:08.34 | Bogus8 | I had rtorrent for a while, it just wasn't getting the peers and seeds that were REALLY out there |
| 07:09.06 | Guerin | i ran a distro site doing 100GB outbound daily, serving a dir containing ~20G of data to thousands of users on rtorrent - on a p3-733 with 384MB ram which doubled as a media station AND served KDE sessions for my wife |
| 07:09.13 | mashuuk | Hi When I boot debian's kernel I can import my photos with gthumb from my canon powershot, but when I run my custom kernel built with make-kpkg then I can do that only with root account :( ? Whats wrong ? |
| 07:09.17 | Guerin | THAT is what I call performance |
| 07:09.20 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I run that headless azureus on a 866mhz, 512mb machine and it only hits like 30% on resources... not too bad given specs and that java crap |
| 07:09.22 | markybob | Bogus8: wikipedia's page has deluge listed as the #2 client when it comes to features, second only to azureus...which, really, is a bloated pos |
| 07:09.45 | Bogus8 | markybob: when I was on windows I like utorrent... benefits of azureus w/o the bloat! |
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| 07:09.56 | markybob | Bogus8: deluge also runs on windows |
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| 07:10.43 | markybob | not like it matters. i have no idea why people use windows in the first place |
| 07:10.49 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I agree, it's WAY less resource intensive... but also doesn't get me what I need so I'll take the hit to get what I need |
| 07:11.07 | indraveni | hi all, |
| 07:11.21 | Bogus8 | markybob: well, maybe at the office I might try it out... I really do like utorrent though |
| 07:11.47 | Bogus8 | I have my own IP ;) |
| 07:11.49 | markybob | Bogus8: we're better. i've run benchmarks and deluge uses less ram than utorrent with multiple torrents active. http://www.slurdge.org/deluge-on-windows |
| 07:11.55 | cafuego | rtorrent is your friend |
| 07:12.04 | indraveni | the usuall method of installing through iso image is, just download the ISO image and buron it to CD, and then install. And now if I want to burn the iso image into the usb stick, as i dont have a cdrom drive provision, then waht is the procedure for me |
| 07:12.15 | cafuego | despite what markybob says |
| 07:12.20 | Bogus8 | markybob: how many torrents? |
| 07:12.28 | markybob | cafuego: heh :) |
| 07:12.33 | markybob | Bogus8: i tested with 3 |
| 07:12.43 | indraveni | will my iso image that i need to burn into the usb stick will remain the same or do i need to change te iso image for usb iso image ? |
| 07:12.45 | Bogus8 | is that what the bencmark was done with? |
| 07:13.03 | cafuego | See, I run rtorrent with on average about 50 torrents. |
| 07:13.08 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:13.09 | cafuego | mostlu uploading, though |
| 07:13.11 | markybob | Bogus8: afaik i'm the only one who's done any such benchmark, and yes, i tested it with 3 |
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| 07:13.14 | Guerin | 10 is light |
| 07:13.17 | vanksi | shound't all postscript printers work on linux? i'm ordering a HP T1100ps plotter and the specs say nothing about linux support but since it's postscript, it should work ok, right? |
| 07:13.23 | Bogus8 | cafuego: when you got the bandwidth eh? |
| 07:13.24 | indraveni | how can do this task of using an existing iso image to put into usb stick and install from it, instead of using cd |
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| 07:13.33 | Guerin | vanksi: yes. |
| 07:13.34 | markybob | vanksi: yes |
| 07:13.36 | cafuego | Bogus8: 50 at 1Kb/sec is only 50Kb/sec |
| 07:13.42 | Bogus8 | markybob: I'll give it ago if I need to d/l something to work |
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| 07:14.01 | Bogus8 | cafuego: what's the point then |
| 07:14.20 | vanksi | but in the worst case scenario it will only be able to print .ps/.eps files, or will it print just about anything? |
| 07:14.24 | cafuego | Bogus8: I'm not saying mine are that slow |
| 07:14.29 | Bogus8 | what is the recommended UPS monitoring software? (APC if that matters) |
| 07:14.30 | vanksi | i'm fairly clueless on these printer issues |
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| 07:14.41 | Guerin | vanksi: no, the job of a print server is to make stuff into postscript |
| 07:14.44 | Bogus8 | vanksi: you are not alone |
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| 07:14.53 | cafuego | Just that you don't ned to be a mad bandwidth freak to run 50 torrents :-) |
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| 07:15.19 | cafuego | !info apcupsd |
| 07:15.19 | slapfaceware | can someone tell me detail information to put in sources.list to update from woody to sarge |
| 07:15.22 | dpkg | apcupsd: (APC UPS Power Management (daemon)), section admin, is extra. Version: 3.14.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 247 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 07:15.22 | Bogus8 | cafuego: but if you aren't handing out 10k/sec are you really helping? |
| 07:15.29 | vanksi | Guerin, ok, so the printer convers everything sent to it to postscript before it prints it? |
| 07:15.33 | cafuego | Bogus8: Of course |
| 07:15.36 | Bogus8 | I mean on a rare torrent then sure it's great, I'll take what I can get! |
| 07:15.51 | vanksi | or do i have to install a seperate print server on a windows box or something? |
| 07:15.58 | Bogus8 | cafuego: thanks for the dpkg info |
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| 07:16.10 | markybob | vanksi: yes. no. you'll be fine |
| 07:16.15 | Guerin | vanksi: a print server is something you install on a local machine. Like cups. |
| 07:16.30 | vanksi | Guerin, oh, ok, thanks alot |
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| 07:16.32 | Guerin | vanksi: (or you can have it on a remote machine attached to the printer if you like) |
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| 07:16.45 | GuHhH | i know it may sound stupid but... is there any way to discover a possible rootkit on my machine, except from comparing original files? |
| 07:16.48 | Rat409 | vanksi; linuxprinting.org ? |
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| 07:17.03 | Rhoruns | wow, am i reading this right?? x windows is a server!?!? |
| 07:17.13 | markybob | GuHhH: rkhunter or chkrootkit |
| 07:17.18 | Guerin | Rhoruns: no, the x window system contains a server and clients |
| 07:17.20 | markybob | GuHhH: install those and read their docs |
| 07:17.21 | cafuego | Rhoruns: no |
| 07:17.24 | Rhoruns | oh |
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| 07:17.31 | cafuego | Rhoruns: there is no such thing as "x windows" |
| 07:17.35 | Guerin | Rhoruns: the x *server* is a server :) |
| 07:17.57 | cafuego | Rhoruns: X is a network-transparent windowing system, it does not care if clients are local or remote. |
| 07:18.04 | vanksi | Rat409, i'll check it out, but thanks a lot everyone |
| 07:18.06 | Rhoruns | if it contains both the client and server, does that mean i can not have the server on another pc in my network, and simply run programs as clients on another? |
| 07:18.23 | Rhoruns | oh |
| 07:18.23 | markybob | Rhoruns: have you ever run linux? |
| 07:18.29 | Rhoruns | yes, im running it now lol |
| 07:18.33 | cafuego | Rhoruns: yes, and display them on the machine that runs the server. Easily done via ssh. |
| 07:18.33 | Guerin | Rhoruns: yes. |
| 07:18.37 | Rhoruns | i just couldnt understand the terminology |
| 07:18.43 | cafuego | Rhoruns: ssh -X remotehost |
| 07:18.47 | cafuego | then run any X app. |
| 07:18.55 | Guerin | this is the single bestest coolest thing about x |
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| 07:19.02 | cafuego | Well, perhaps not ut2007 |
| 07:19.21 | GuHhH | markybob: thank you very much |
| 07:19.27 | Bogus8 | pansy |
| 07:19.48 | Guerin | gerbera |
| 07:19.50 | Rhoruns | lol, i dont care about running games on linux, i just want to set up all of my linux PCs without having to install X on every single one of them. |
| 07:20.03 | markybob | hrm. |
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| 07:20.13 | cafuego | you don't *have* to install X on any of them |
| 07:20.18 | markybob | that's what ssh is for |
| 07:20.19 | markybob | :p |
| 07:20.20 | Guerin | Rhoruns: remember: the x server is installed on the machine you look at. The clients live on the other machines. |
| 07:20.35 | cafuego | Sell 'em and virtualise the lot on a bigger, newer one |
| 07:20.40 | Rhoruns | i know, but it's too ahrd to set up my servers, without having some sort of graphical orginzation |
| 07:21.01 | markybob | then you're gonna struggle with debian |
| 07:21.21 | Rhoruns | sell them? no. i just bought all of these and i need them for file servers/ render farm,, etc |
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| 07:22.46 | Rhoruns | markybob, there just isn't enough documentation out there to explain what i need to do to get the certains apps i need working |
| 07:23.15 | Rhoruns | when i go to install mysql, i need to consult 10 different manuals just to get it working properly. |
| 07:23.23 | Rhoruns | and if i install it from a package manager, im screwed. |
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| 07:23.29 | Guerin | Rhoruns: WTF |
| 07:23.33 | markybob | and you're using debian? really? |
| 07:23.35 | Guerin | use debian packages |
| 07:23.41 | Guerin | it's almost all done for you |
| 07:24.02 | Rhoruns | then why does it install it all in non-standard directories?? |
| 07:24.03 | cafuego | apt-get install mysql-server [RETURN] |
| 07:24.12 | indraveni | no one to help me ? |
| 07:24.12 | Rhoruns | it's a real pain, ebcause i dont want this stuff installed on root |
| 07:24.18 | markybob | wtf...debian is the most "standard" distro out ther |
| 07:24.18 | cafuego | Rhoruns: It doen't |
| 07:24.21 | indraveni | or is my information not sufficient ? |
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| 07:24.32 | cafuego | Rhoruns: Where do you want it installed then? |
| 07:24.36 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:24.50 | Rhoruns | forget it. i'm going to spend another night pulling out my own hair |
| 07:25.05 | Rhoruns | reading billions of manuals and trying to get this dumb thing working |
| 07:25.10 | markybob | indraveni: no idea what your problem is |
| 07:25.11 | cafuego | No, just TELL us, so we can help. |
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| 07:25.26 | cafuego | complaing about it isn't constructive for anyone |
| 07:25.30 | Rhoruns | hold on, let me do a clean re-install of my debian |
| 07:26.04 | Rhoruns | if i dont need a GUI on my system, then i dont want it on my system. i simply just want to run mysql, and a game server |
| 07:26.05 | joga | indraveni I haven't tried usb booting, but first you should check that your bios supports it, and after you know it does, then try booting an image off it, I think you need to install a boot loader on the stick, which will start the installer (assuming that's what you wanted) |
| 07:26.18 | cafuego | Well then, don't install a gui |
| 07:26.24 | cafuego | It doesn't force you to |
| 07:26.28 | Bogus8 | he stated it at about 15mins ago... he was patient don't beat on him ;) |
| 07:26.36 | cafuego | just don't select anything whn it gets to tasks |
| 07:26.46 | Rhoruns | when i do the netinst, it appearantly doesnt install enough stuff that i need, and if i install the desktop environment, then it installs TONS of junk i dont need |
| 07:27.06 | cafuego | Rhoruns: Yes, so don't install the desktop task. |
| 07:27.08 | SpeedyG | hm, is it possible to use X forwarding through putty, and if so, what display should be set ? |
| 07:27.11 | markybob | that's why you do a netinst and then apt-get what you need |
| 07:27.14 | maikeru | don't install it then oO |
| 07:27.23 | Rhoruns | apt-get doesnt work right out of the box. |
| 07:27.31 | Rhoruns | i have to manually get sources |
| 07:27.34 | joga | SpeedyG I think you'd need some X implementation on windows too |
| 07:27.35 | Rhoruns | if i use netinst |
| 07:27.37 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: I have installed several systems and I have never installed using GUI... I usually opt to continue install via ssh so I can go sit in my bed with my laptop ;) |
| 07:27.40 | cafuego | Rhoruns: it does for 99% of peope. What specifically does yours not do? |
| 07:28.05 | cafuego | SpeedyG: Grab cygwin on windozem so you have an X server. |
| 07:28.12 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: apt-get will install anything you need |
| 07:28.13 | cafuego | SpeedyG: personally, I'd go vnc instead |
| 07:28.19 | Rhoruns | just hold on for 10 minutes, im going to do a clean netinst install |
| 07:28.28 | sep | SpeedyG, or xming, (xserver for windows) |
| 07:28.29 | Bogus8 | (that normally gets installed via deskopt env. without adding what you don't) |
| 07:29.34 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: when it gets to the end I unselect EVERYTHING and start with just a base core system.... then I apt-get only what I need from there |
| 07:30.14 | markybob | and the installer asks you if you wanna set up apt repositories....add one and you're good to go |
| 07:30.15 | SpeedyG | sep: just found xming, works nice :D |
| 07:30.19 | Rhoruns | k, during the software selection, you mean? |
| 07:30.35 | Rhoruns | Bogus8? |
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| 07:30.57 | Bogus8 | right towards the end...sorry I don't know the name, someone else wanna chime in? |
| 07:31.02 | Rat409 | indraveni; if you have a floppy-drive you can do a netinstall using floppys |
| 07:31.12 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: but like markybob said.. set up apt stuff when it ask |
| 07:31.25 | wols_ | Rhoruns: not during software selection |
| 07:31.41 | wols_ | also you can always edit your sources.list later by editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:31.43 | anthea | i'm setting up a cron job to do an off-site backup by rsync. the problem is that the link is slow and the initial data dump is taking forever, and killing my bandwidth meantime. is there a way to throttle rsync without root access? |
| 07:31.48 | Bogus8 | I almost accept defaults all the way to then end when I unselect that stuff... other than user/timezone stuff |
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| 07:32.02 | markybob | anthea: yes. man rsync |
| 07:32.25 | indraveni | joga, my system allows booting from usb and i added a bootloader and tried booting through usb stick, and the installer also started, but its searching for cdrom drive and saying that cdrom drive is not detected. and stops installation |
| 07:32.41 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: I'm talking about when it says "desktop enviroment" I uncheck that and the ?base syste? |
| 07:32.48 | indraveni | so only i am asking whether there will be any seperate image to load into the usb stick ? |
| 07:32.49 | Bogus8 | or whatever that last option is |
| 07:32.56 | joga | indraveni maybe you need to modify the initrd... |
| 07:32.59 | Rhoruns | oh, i should uncheck ALL of those, Bogus8?? |
| 07:33.00 | markybob | !usb install |
| 07:33.01 | dpkg | it has been said that usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 07:33.03 | Rhoruns | even base system? |
| 07:33.11 | joga | thx markybob :) |
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| 07:33.41 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: that's what I do, becaue I only want what I want ;) |
| 07:33.46 | Rhoruns | ok :) |
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| 07:34.04 | Rhoruns | then im in the setup now. if i need help i'll ask |
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| 07:34.31 | Laurly | I have a web server at home. recently change ISP's all the websites are down. My X used to admin it but talking to him lately is a pain. What exactly do i need to do to get the websites up again? |
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| 07:35.30 | blackba55 | hello all ... is there a way to rename multiple files ? |
| 07:35.32 | Penix | Laurly: static IP? |
| 07:35.34 | markybob | Laurly: change /etc/network/interfaces to have you new ip information and then edit the config files for apache in /etc/apache2/ |
| 07:35.40 | Bogus8 | I know I'm going to get shuned but I'm just wondering for theory sake... can you put something like Ubuntu's live cd version on a jump drive? so you get the autoconfig on any computer but it works much faster because it's not optical? |
| 07:35.54 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 07:35.57 | markybob | blackba55: yes. like to be more specific? |
| 07:35.59 | ameyer | in theory |
| 07:36.29 | wols_ | Bogus8: of course you can. you can put even a debian livecd on a usb drive |
| 07:36.32 | sep | Laurly, have you updated the dns information to reflect your new ip address ? |
| 07:36.36 | ameyer | I never got it working when I tried, but I couldn't get booting from that particular usb drive working at all |
| 07:36.39 | Bogus8 | Laurly: how is your webserver hooked up... via a router or does it get a public IP? |
| 07:36.58 | ameyer | also, your ISP might be blocking port 80 inbound |
| 07:37.15 | Rhoruns | kk, it's asking for a hostname. just put anything i want? |
| 07:37.25 | wols_ | Rhoruns: yes |
| 07:37.28 | Laurly | Penix: yeah its a static ip now but its not the same ip i had before |
| 07:37.41 | markybob | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:37.42 | Bogus8 | wols_: hmm, that is an intriguing idea... I love the recovery ability on trashed sysytems and a jump drive would make it pretty quick and it wouldn't have to be r/0 |
| 07:37.45 | Bogus8 | r/o* |
| 07:37.46 | wols_ | Laurly: what is your DNS provider? |
| 07:38.00 | sep | Laurly, update your dns with your new ip address |
| 07:38.01 | Laurly | wols_: no idea :) |
| 07:38.11 | Bogus8 | markybob: if she is NAT'd then that's not going to help |
| 07:38.12 | Laurly | the dns on the server then? |
| 07:38.14 | blackba55 | markybob: a friend of mine got a virus and it renamed all his photos from a SD card with a strange extension of 'G G' , 'g' or 'g g' ... now it looks like gimp is capable of opening them ... so i want to try to rename all of them (there are about 1000 photos) to .jpg and see if i can make them to work |
| 07:38.22 | wols_ | Laurly: what sas the domain name back when it worked? |
| 07:38.22 | sep | Laurly, no the domain registrar |
| 07:38.48 | Rhoruns | gg = good-game. lol |
| 07:38.50 | wols_ | Bogus8: think. it worked before and the only thing that changed was ISPs. NAT or no NAT is irrelevant |
| 07:39.03 | wols_ | *what was |
| 07:39.18 | Laurly | i can use linux but admining it is something i havent done before so bare with me :) |
| 07:39.18 | ameyer | unless the ISP is blocking 80 inbound |
| 07:39.27 | Arafangion | Laurly: admining? |
| 07:39.30 | Bogus8 | wols_: well, markybob is saying go to the box's network interface... that's not going to help either :p |
| 07:39.33 | markybob | Laurly: might wanna call the ex |
| 07:39.39 | ameyer | if your ISP is comcastic, you'll have that issue |
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| 07:39.42 | sep | Laurly, tell us the domain name :) |
| 07:39.47 | Laurly | no hes a pain i called him 2 weeks ago he still hasnt shown up. |
| 07:39.50 | Laurly | saphire.dk |
| 07:40.10 | sep | gratisdns.dk |
| 07:40.18 | ameyer | of course, the odds of being in .dk and using comcrap are low |
| 07:40.22 | Laurly | i wasnt sure if it was a setting on the server or someone i had to call. |
| 07:40.37 | sep | Laurly, do you have a username and a password for your dns provider ? |
| 07:40.41 | wols_ | Laurly: go to gratisdns.dk, log in and change the IP your domain points to |
| 07:40.51 | Laurly | then i wasnt sure if it was appachie or dns / firewall stuff |
| 07:41.00 | Laurly | ahhhhhh. ookies |
| 07:41.36 | markybob | blackba55: for example, "for old in *.oldex; do cp $old `basename $old .oldex`.newex; done" |
| 07:42.12 | Bogus8 | wols_: my thought was possibly her and the ex split and she had a new router |
| 07:42.23 | Laurly | you guys are grate thanks :) |
| 07:42.26 | Bogus8 | which would only be one part of the puzzle but still important |
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| 07:43.14 | xjkx | error 18: selected cylinder excceds maximum suported by bios. Anyone knows how to fix it? if its fixable |
| 07:43.29 | blackba55 | markybob: nice command ... but my extensions contain spaces .... |
| 07:43.52 | blackba55 | can i do newex = g g before running the command ? |
| 07:44.10 | blackba55 | and use it as a variable |
| 07:44.26 | blackba55 | pardon me .... oldex = g g ; |
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| 07:46.12 | Bogus8 | blackba55: you are suppposed to just put in "g g" for "oldex" |
| 07:46.48 | Bogus8 | then run it again and change it to "gg" and newex woudl of course be .jpg |
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| 07:47.47 | markybob | blackba55: if you want really easy, apt-get install thunar and then go to applications->system tools->bulk rename |
| 07:48.04 | cydork | blackba55: or you can just use rename(1) |
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| 07:48.09 | Bogus8 | but that's no fun ;) |
| 07:48.12 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 07:48.36 | Laurly | Bogus8: LOL |
| 07:48.41 | Guerin | eew, thunar |
| 07:48.51 | markybob | Guerin: he's a newbie, take it easy ;) |
| 07:49.42 | Bogus8 | Laurly: did you get your site back up? |
| 07:49.59 | uselessid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:50.33 | Bogus8 | uselessid: you mean like eq(tone) or you mean output to a telephone? |
| 07:50.43 | Laurly | Bogus8: nope but i use all the techical info you guys gave me to msg my x with that and found out that. He doesnt remember the password to change it and the forgot my pass function is pointing to his email on saphire.dk :) |
| 07:51.04 | uselessid | lol |
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| 07:51.11 | uselessid | Bogus8: how can i say... |
| 07:51.17 | Rhoruns | kk, im in the part where i add my network mirrors. should i do this manually??? |
| 07:51.30 | uselessid | Bogus8: i mean earbud... |
| 07:51.46 | Arafangion | Laurly: You may have lost control over that domain name. |
| 07:51.51 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: I don't, I just select whatever is default ftp.debian.com or whatever it is |
| 07:52.02 | Arafangion | Laurly: Consider purchasing another domain name. |
| 07:52.10 | Bogus8 | uselessid: you just want headphones? |
| 07:52.12 | Rhoruns | oh// ok |
| 07:52.13 | Laurly | Arafangion: yeah thats what im afraid of |
| 07:52.35 | Arafangion | Laurly: In the mean time, you could use a free dynamic dns service. |
| 07:53.00 | uselessid | Bogus8: lol, thats it. sorry, english inst my language and i forgot the exactly word :X |
| 07:53.06 | Laurly | Bogus8: LOL thats smart |
| 07:53.40 | Bogus8 | uselessid: just plug in headphones... it should be rather obvious actually |
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| 07:53.48 | uselessid | it doesnt :( |
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| 07:53.54 | Laurly | i should be able to just register a new site then change everthing in apachie its main the forums that friends are missing |
| 07:54.13 | Bogus8 | Laurly: you might tring to call up the people that do your dns and maybe you can give them all your billing info and such and that might prove you to be who you are |
| 07:54.17 | uselessid | Bogus8: it still playing on speakers |
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| 07:54.32 | Laurly | Bogus8: good idea |
| 07:54.49 | Bogus8 | Laurly: you can always just give them the IP address |
| 07:54.55 | geo-rge | whooooo are you |
| 07:55.00 | geo-rge | hoo hoo |
| 07:55.01 | Bogus8 | but then again all your links that are absolute pointing to the domain would be screwed |
| 07:55.01 | geo-rge | hoo hoo |
| 07:55.19 | Bogus8 | you could do a find/replace of all those references |
| 07:55.30 | Bogus8 | I really wanna know! |
| 07:55.34 | Arafangion | Bogus8: Not if her webserver serves multiple domains. |
| 07:55.50 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: true |
| 07:55.55 | Bogus8 | I'm thinking local server |
| 07:56.28 | Laurly | oh may you guys rock the login info is on the billing info |
| 07:56.33 | Bogus8 | Laurly: do you have an actual host server or is the server phsycially at your house? |
| 07:56.43 | Laurly | http://www.dk-hostmaster.dk/ |
| 07:56.46 | jetscreamer | you fax the registrar |
| 07:56.48 | geo-rge | rock the login! |
| 07:56.54 | jetscreamer | with a letterhead iirc |
| 07:56.56 | Laurly | server is under my desk |
| 07:57.03 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: :p |
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| 07:57.18 | Laurly | run about 5 websites on it. |
| 07:57.22 | jetscreamer | least that's how network solutions does it |
| 07:57.31 | geo-rge | on a dynamic IP? |
| 07:57.31 | Bogus8 | damn you... don't ruin my gloating ;) |
| 07:58.18 | geo-rge | if you're making money on the site, you might consider a hosting solution |
| 07:58.19 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: those damn europeans have more bandwidth than they know what to do with ;) |
| 07:58.32 | geo-rge | believe me |
| 07:58.34 | geo-rge | they know |
| 07:58.49 | geo-rge | hack Bush! |
| 07:58.54 | Rhoruns | is it supposed to take like 20 minutes to scan this mirror?? |
| 07:59.09 | jetscreamer | maybe a big pdiff |
| 07:59.11 | jetscreamer | but no |
| 07:59.34 | Laurly | oh my x is evil.... |
| 07:59.36 | SpeedyG | Bogus8: so true, i've got about 100Mbit here as an internet connection, but dont even use more than 20 on a regular basis |
| 07:59.56 | Bogus8 | SpeedyG: what an asshole ;) |
| 08:00.00 | SpeedyG | gheh :> |
| 08:00.00 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 08:00.16 | simonrvn | so-called north america is so behind.... greedy corps |
| 08:00.23 | Bogus8 | word |
| 08:00.27 | SpeedyG | I cant help it tho... those damn downloading mirrors are so slow :P |
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| 08:00.42 | markybob | so-called north america? as opposed to what? |
| 08:00.58 | simonrvn | that's what the colonists called it |
| 08:01.04 | Bogus8 | markybob: I was wondering about that |
| 08:01.20 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: that's what the contenient is called |
| 08:01.25 | geo-rge | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 free moovee! |
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| 08:01.40 | simonrvn | which language? |
| 08:01.47 | Rhoruns | Software Selection.. there's a different list here than i saw before! what the heck??! |
| 08:01.55 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: english |
| 08:02.04 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 08:02.07 | simonrvn | i call it turtle island |
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| 08:02.28 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: what do other languages call the contenient (canada, usa and mexico) |
| 08:02.35 | cafuego | hmm, turtle soup |
| 08:02.45 | SpeedyG | Bogus8: isnt it 'continent' ? |
| 08:02.48 | jetscreamer | they call it the us |
| 08:02.56 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 08:03.10 | jetscreamer | it's just the parts we either didn't want or gave back |
| 08:03.11 | Bogus8 | no, thats' just one country.... what do they call the entire landmass |
| 08:03.12 | cafuego | Bogus8: "fucked" is a favourite term |
| 08:03.21 | Bogus8 | SpeedyG: I have no clue, I'm a horrible speller ;) |
| 08:03.22 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 08:03.24 | xand | Bogus8: north america |
| 08:03.36 | jetscreamer | n/a |
| 08:03.43 | Bogus8 | xand: thank you, that is what we were saying... simonrvn was disagreeing ;) |
| 08:03.50 | simonrvn | not available |
| 08:03.56 | xand | not applicable |
| 08:04.02 | Rhoruns | non-applicable |
| 08:04.02 | SpeedyG | Bogus8: then, you stand corrected by a non-native english speaker :p |
| 08:04.04 | jetscreamer | narcotics anonymous |
| 08:04.16 | simonrvn | not available for further abuse |
| 08:04.19 | Rhoruns | neurotic aracnophobia |
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| 08:04.30 | Bogus8 | SpeedyG: I got no problems with that, and congrats to learning our horrible language |
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| 08:04.33 | jetscreamer | necrophilia anatomy |
| 08:04.58 | simonrvn | necrophilic anthropophagy |
| 08:05.05 | Rhoruns | nasil atropheed |
| 08:05.14 | SpeedyG | thanks :P |
| 08:05.17 | Laurly | only way to make sure its a static ip is to restart the server right? |
| 08:05.30 | jetscreamer | ifdown ifup? |
| 08:05.40 | markybob | cat /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:05.41 | jetscreamer | !na |
| 08:05.55 | jetscreamer | ifconfig |
| 08:05.56 | Bogus8 | Laurly: do you have a router? |
| 08:06.16 | Laurly | the one from the isp? yeah |
| 08:06.20 | simonrvn | would get* |
| 08:06.20 | markybob | that taht would some poeple upset...that's great fucking grammar |
| 08:06.33 | simonrvn | t's called a typo asshole |
| 08:06.35 | simonrvn | i |
| 08:06.37 | Bogus8 | Laurly: then that is what is probably getting your public IP address |
| 08:07.14 | simonrvn | markybob: i'd tell you to go back to europe, but they probably wouldn't want you there either |
| 08:07.14 | Bogus8 | the IP address of your server (under your desk) probably starts 10. or 168. or 172. I think that's all of them right? |
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| 08:07.28 | markybob | simonrvn: born in brazil and raised in the US, so try again |
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| 08:07.55 | Rhoruns | k, system is finished installing, and it's rebooting. no software installed besides the core system |
| 08:08.17 | simonrvn | markybob: so? what difference does that make? |
| 08:08.28 | Laurly | 10.100.200.1 is its internal ip but the external ip is 80.164.8.46 server is the firewall and controls the internet to the house as well. everthing goes though it then the pc's in the house connect via the switch |
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| 08:08.48 | Rhoruns | anything i should doo immediately after booting into debian? apt-get install update && apt-get upgrade ?? |
| 08:09.02 | markybob | simonrvn: probably a little something called logic. telling me to go back to europe means shit if i've never been there |
| 08:09.08 | Laurly | isp said it was a static ip but i would rather be 100% sure before i call and have them chaneg the ip address on the websites |
| 08:09.31 | simonrvn | markybob: i bet your ancestors are from there, so yeh, it makes perfect sense |
| 08:09.49 | Bogus8 | Laurly: I got your server but you will have other issues.. some php issue on the index page |
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| 08:10.02 | markybob | simonrvn: again, wrong. you're doing great so far |
| 08:10.04 | Laurly | php/ apachie i can fix |
| 08:10.13 | Laurly | its dns stuff i have never had to deal with before |
| 08:10.19 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: no need because you pretty much got everything from the net so it's already all new ;) |
| 08:10.26 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 08:10.40 | Rhoruns | k, then i need gcc and mysql |
| 08:10.46 | Bogus8 | Laurly: you know php/mysql? |
| 08:10.47 | simonrvn | markybob: oh so you're saying you're indigenous? funny way of behaving then if that's the case |
| 08:11.05 | Laurly | Bogus8 yeah :) |
| 08:11.12 | Bogus8 | will you marry me :) ;) |
| 08:11.26 | Laurly | heeh i probably have kids your age. |
| 08:11.29 | markybob | simonrvn: yes. my ancestors were natives in brazil. what in the hell is your point? |
| 08:11.42 | Bogus8 | Laurly: unlikely, I'm 30 |
| 08:11.45 | Rhoruns | k, i'll be right back, im going to make a few turkey sandwhiches. when i get back, i want one you to help me get gcc and mysql and configure them properly :) |
| 08:11.53 | Laurly | Bogus8: wow ok :) |
| 08:12.01 | Laurly | most of the guys i meet on irc are like 18 |
| 08:12.11 | Rhoruns | <-- 17 |
| 08:12.11 | wols_ | simonrvn: "indigenous" is a misnomer imho. E.g. if it would apply the most western european would all need to go back to the black sea or further east |
| 08:12.11 | Rhoruns | :P |
| 08:12.13 | Bogus8 | understood |
| 08:12.22 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: apt-get install <package name> |
| 08:12.23 | wols_ | and ultimately we'all come from Kenya |
| 08:12.27 | Rhoruns | Bogus8, you're pretty cool for being 30 :P |
| 08:12.39 | Bogus8 | fu :p |
| 08:12.43 | Rhoruns | :( |
| 08:12.48 | jetscreamer | damn whippersnappers |
| 08:12.52 | Rhoruns | rofl |
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| 08:13.01 | Rhoruns | i adore mature women >:) |
| 08:13.07 | wols_ | Laurly: easy. he thinks "grandma" |
| 08:13.10 | Laurly | hehe |
| 08:13.15 | jetscreamer | women who do linux are sexy |
| 08:13.19 | Rhoruns | agreed |
| 08:13.20 | Laurly | wols_ im not that old |
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| 08:13.31 | wols_ | Laurly: for him, you are :P |
| 08:13.39 | Rhoruns | rofl |
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| 08:13.49 | simonrvn | markybob: heh, you surprise me TBH. are you one of those sold-out ones? (rhetorical question) |
| 08:13.53 | Bogus8 | word, and she does php/mysql |
| 08:13.56 | geo-rge | women who do me are sexy :) |
| 08:14.05 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I doubt that :p |
| 08:14.05 | Rhoruns | LOL |
| 08:14.10 | wols_ | Laurly: but, we all know you're a 50 year old male with a beer belly anyways. there are no wimmins on the inerweb |
| 08:14.20 | zagibu | brainstorming: how to synchronize filesystems of two servers over the internet...rsync? |
| 08:14.21 | Rhoruns | aahh hah haha |
| 08:14.27 | markybob | simonrvn: do i not put up with bull shit? right, i dont. |
| 08:14.28 | wols_ | zagibu: yes |
| 08:14.30 | jetscreamer | !rsync |
| 08:14.30 | dpkg | well, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 08:14.31 | Rhoruns | im going to get my sandwhiches now.. i cant take this lol |
| 08:14.32 | Bogus8 | wols_: you know that would be a great way to make sure you get help in here!! |
| 08:14.35 | Laurly | Bogus8: i ran slackware linux as desktop for 2 years. how many woman can do that? |
| 08:14.59 | simonrvn | markybob: no not that. that's not a sell-out, that's just normal |
| 08:15.03 | Bogus8 | Laurly: I don't even care to do that... played with it once about 5 years back slack 9.1? |
| 08:15.05 | zagibu | about synching with rsync...does it lock files it's currently synching? |
| 08:15.09 | geo-rge | Laurly: how did you install it? |
| 08:15.36 | Laurly | geo-rge download burn cd install |
| 08:15.56 | markybob | simonrvn: i dont say this often, but you're a total piece of shit, you know that? |
| 08:16.14 | Laurly | red hate 4.1 install was scarry back in the day then they had warnings if you do this wrong you will blow up your monitor |
| 08:16.29 | simonrvn | markybob: i'm just bugged you said that thing when i was talking with joba (i think that's what his nick was). that was really uncalled for. |
| 08:16.29 | zagibu | hehe, red hate |
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| 08:16.43 | simonrvn | markybob: i don't care what you think about me |
| 08:17.11 | Bogus8 | next time I'm feeling neglected in here I'm going to log on with a girly name and watch you guys trip over yourselves to help a "damsel in distress" =) |
| 08:17.16 | geo-rge | Laurly: lucky you... we had this other way to install... |
| 08:17.29 | markybob | simonrvn: aww, i'm sorry you said something idiotic. my bad |
| 08:17.40 | jetscreamer | irc crossdresser eh... next thing you know it's r/l |
| 08:17.45 | Bogus8 | Laurly: I ran RH 4 or 5 I forget |
| 08:18.07 | Laurly | i remember how much of a pain it was to get the net card to work on slackware.... |
| 08:18.16 | wols_ | jetscreamer: don't knock my newest woman't underwear. it's sooooo much smoother than men's |
| 08:18.20 | simonrvn | markybob: and i'm so sorry you're an asshole. your loss. |
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| 08:18.33 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: hey if it gets my postfix problem solved I'll take one for the team LOL |
| 08:18.53 | Arcainus | Bogus8: postfix problem on debian? :O |
| 08:19.05 | jetscreamer | !rodneykingsmite them two |
| 08:19.16 | geo-rge | Laurly: what did you have to do? |
| 08:19.22 | Bogus8 | Arcainus: yep, I"m the only one that has this problem and it shouldn't be happening but I have it on two different systems! |
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| 08:19.31 | wols_ | geo-rge: can you ask in #slackware? |
| 08:19.32 | Laurly | went to a computer party found a bunch of guys to help me fix it. |
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| 08:19.37 | Arcainus | Bogus8: what seems to be the problem? |
| 08:19.41 | Laurly | took them 5 min. |
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| 08:19.55 | Laurly | took longer to recompile the kernal |
| 08:19.56 | geo-rge | Laurly: again, lucky you :) |
| 08:20.12 | Laurly | yeah woman and linux tend to get lots of guys willing to help |
| 08:20.20 | Bogus8 | Arcainus: it relays my ISP's smtp server to send me a "successful" report most of the time |
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| 08:20.54 | Bogus8 | Arcainus: I'm using mail on the cli to send to a smart host internet server install of postfix (first step of the config for clarification) |
| 08:20.56 | geo-rge | seems they get fooled every time online... |
| 08:21.10 | Bogus8 | Laurly: exactly... I'm taking notes ;) |
| 08:21.19 | jetscreamer | what was fucking ridiculous was the way every tripped over themselves over helix... they even made her an op. |
| 08:21.30 | jetscreamer | s/every/everybody/ |
| 08:21.31 | Bogus8 | LOL |
| 08:21.47 | Laurly | Bogus8: only reason i started with linux was becouse i was using digital unix at work at the time. fell in love with vi so installed linux at home.. everyone at work thought i was insane |
| 08:21.56 | zagibu | hmmm, rsync manpage says it does not support copying files between two servers... |
| 08:21.58 | Bogus8 | vi puke :p |
| 08:22.04 | Bogus8 | I just need to sit down and learn it I think |
| 08:22.10 | Laurly | i still love vi :) |
| 08:22.11 | Arcainus | zagibu: lol |
| 08:22.15 | Bogus8 | zagibu: that's all it does! |
| 08:22.18 | Arcainus | rsync ftw |
| 08:22.23 | zagibu | ah, no, two remote hosts...sorry ;P |
| 08:22.33 | Arcainus | O_o |
| 08:22.48 | Arcainus | well |
| 08:22.56 | zagibu | so...do you know if it locks the files it's synching? |
| 08:22.58 | geo-rge | Laurly: how many of them followed in your stilleto steps? |
| 08:23.06 | Bogus8 | zagibu: in that case ssh into one and do it from there :) |
| 08:23.08 | sep | Laurly, it may also be that women tend to ask in a nicer fashion then the guys that come here and say "my ubuntu dont work, fix it now or ill reinstall windows, fuxors!". manners can get you more goodwill :) |
| 08:23.26 | Bogus8 | zagibu: good question |
| 08:23.31 | Laurly | sep: posable |
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| 08:23.55 | Laurly | geo-rge: not many when i over talk them they loose interste in a woman that knows more then they do. |
| 08:24.15 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 08:24.31 | Bogus8 | sep: nah, girls get more attention.. I try VERY hard to be polite.. I even refused to just join a channel and imediatly ask a question... I'll idle just so it doesn't look like I'm only there to get my question answered and jet |
| 08:24.50 | Bogus8 | and I of course try to help out if it's something I think I can help with (though limited atm() |
| 08:25.30 | jetscreamer | like to waste time i see |
| 08:25.41 | geo-rge | Laurly: it could be the caveman thing... it's confusing when they can't protect you with their club... |
| 08:26.34 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: no, it's just a pet peeve to watch users hop in a channel ask their question then *user has quit* |
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| 08:26.39 | Laurly | geo-rge:LOL |
| 08:26.55 | Bogus8 | markybob: has two clubs ;) |
| 08:27.06 | Laurly | i have scared a few off with the fact i run 2 monitors..... they think its 2 computers |
| 08:27.13 | Rhoruns | rofl |
| 08:27.21 | Bogus8 | Laurly: well you just meet a bunch of idiots then :p |
| 08:27.31 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 08:27.41 | Bogus8 | I do video editing... so my workstation has two monitors and a video monitor for playback :D |
| 08:27.56 | sep | i was close to scaring off my wife when we moved together. 3 car loads of computers and a small bag of clothes.... |
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| 08:27.58 | Rhoruns | Laurly, what's the youngest age that you're comfortable dating with? |
| 08:28.01 | Laurly | im going to have to add you guys to my auto join channel list :) |
| 08:28.14 | Rhoruns | yay, please do :D |
| 08:28.25 | Bogus8 | LOL |
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| 08:28.30 | sep | luckily she didn't run :) |
| 08:28.30 | Laurly | dought i would go under 30 Rhoruns :) but im in denmark |
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| 08:28.44 | Rhoruns | aww :( |
| 08:28.46 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 08:28.52 | Bogus8 | LOL |
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| 08:29.03 | simonrvn | Laurly: anyone with a clue and a good sense of humour is welcome here |
| 08:29.21 | geo-rge | see? smart people's club |
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| 08:29.33 | simonrvn | newbies also welcome ;) |
| 08:29.41 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: so how did you get in bwahahaha :p |
| 08:29.55 | simonrvn | i'm an oldbie ;p |
| 08:29.59 | wols_ | he was grandfarthered in |
| 08:30.01 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: hey! |
| 08:30.07 | Laurly | i might just learn out to administration the server from you guys |
| 08:30.11 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: grandfathered in eh? |
| 08:30.18 | wols_ | jetscreamer: you can easily pretend to be a newbie :) |
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| 08:30.47 | wols_ | Laurly: is the server actually running debian? |
| 08:30.55 | Laurly | yups |
| 08:31.07 | Rhoruns | GRR Than you CANT be here HERE! Grr argh |
| 08:31.12 | Bogus8 | Laurly: it's not that difficult |
| 08:31.15 | Rhoruns | oh, debian, nvm... |
| 08:31.16 | Rhoruns | :D |
| 08:31.52 | geo-rge | Laurly: all you have to do is remember how it's like for you to use a system that you don't admin... especially with shared resources (like women in linux)... how is it that 20 people can print to the one only printer? |
| 08:31.52 | beardy | Hmm? |
| 08:31.54 | Rhoruns | brb.. anyone want a Dr.P? |
| 08:31.58 | Laurly | webserver stuff i can deal with but. anything dns or fire wall related i get afraid to break so normly just do if it works dont fwith it |
| 08:32.00 | Bogus8 | no |
| 08:32.40 | Laurly | geo-rge: well they can as long as the buffer on the printer is big enough and they dont all try and do it at the same time :) |
| 08:33.19 | geo-rge | ahh. interesting. that's the question... what happens when they do? what should happen? |
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| 08:33.42 | simonrvn | lp is on fire! :P |
| 08:33.52 | Laurly | wait for them to come and complain geo-rge? |
| 08:34.15 | geo-rge | there are these programs you can get |
| 08:34.29 | geo-rge | what they do is control one printer (or more, optionally) |
| 08:34.53 | geo-rge | and everyone can say "print this" at the same time, and it spools each job |
| 08:35.03 | Laurly | nice |
| 08:35.14 | geo-rge | cups and lpr are spoolers |
| 08:35.36 | geo-rge | so this is an example of how a single but shared resource can be managed |
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| 08:37.47 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: did she even ask about printers or did you just go off on a tangent there? |
| 08:37.50 | simonrvn | geo-rge: this is why printer manager s/w in most oses i've used spool jobs... ;) |
| 08:37.56 | Arcainus | ok, got a question...i install postfix ... now i needed the source so i apt-get source postfix ... then i added a patch ... now how do i install it again ? |
| 08:38.26 | simonrvn | build it, install resulting relevant .debs |
| 08:38.35 | simonrvn | !tell Arcainus -about nmg |
| 08:39.03 | sep | Arcainus, just to satisfy my personal curiosity, what patch are you applying ? |
| 08:39.04 | Arcainus | thanks! |
| 08:39.29 | simonrvn | or just install build deps and build-essential, patch it, run fakeroot debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 08:40.28 | simonrvn | i bet he isn't either, and was lying through his fucking teeth |
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| 08:40.52 | Arcainus | sep, postfix-vda patch |
| 08:41.45 | simonrvn | wouldn't be the first time someone like that lied about it |
| 08:42.00 | Bogus8 | lied about what? |
| 08:42.18 | simonrvn | just thinking out loud, nm me |
| 08:42.23 | Laurly | maybe i can handle this channel /me rather impressed that she knew postfix was for mail |
| 08:43.01 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 08:43.16 | simonrvn | he sure didn't behave like any NDN i know.... |
| 08:43.26 | wols_ | NDN? |
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| 08:43.39 | dante_1core | yoyo |
| 08:43.42 | Rhoruns | necrophiliac dinosaur nightmare |
| 08:43.44 | Rhoruns | :D |
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| 08:44.55 | jetscreamer | !ndn |
| 08:44.56 | simonrvn | wols_: indigenous person of the "americas", usually used for peoples of the "north american" continent |
| 08:45.05 | jetscreamer | !ndn |
| 08:45.11 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 08:45.29 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 08:45.34 | joeyjones | someone needs to make an irc-based D&D game |
| 08:45.45 | joeyjones | like trivia.uno/cards i see all the time |
| 08:45.53 | jetscreamer | they're called muds |
| 08:45.55 | joeyjones | *trivia/uno |
| 08:46.03 | Bogus8 | where the hell this guy come from :) |
| 08:46.05 | joeyjones | jetscreamer: no, but for on irc... |
| 08:46.09 | simonrvn | but not based on irc ;) |
| 08:46.19 | joeyjones | exactly |
| 08:46.33 | jetscreamer | just join a channel and have a bot to roll the dice |
| 08:46.35 | joeyjones | turn-based irc D&D game |
| 08:47.22 | joeyjones | with a set layout and area descriptions |
| 08:47.28 | Internat | have u seen IDLERPG |
| 08:47.47 | joeyjones | Internat: boring... |
| 08:47.48 | jetscreamer | you can do it!!! |
| 08:47.52 | Internat | pfft :P |
| 08:48.13 | Rhoruns | i think an irc-based mmorpg would be more awesome |
| 08:48.14 | Rhoruns | :P |
| 08:48.19 | joeyjones | there's litterally nothing to that game... |
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| 08:48.46 | Bogus8 | there is a lady in the room... all this talk about D&D might scare her off :p |
| 08:48.46 | jetscreamer | that's why they make wow |
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| 08:49.00 | joeyjones | Bogus8: don't be gay |
| 08:49.02 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 08:49.11 | Bogus8 | wow, that's funny |
| 08:49.21 | Rhoruns | what does homosexuality have to do with being suggestive? |
| 08:49.38 | azeem | !gay |
| 08:49.39 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 08:49.44 | Rhoruns | hahaha |
| 08:49.53 | jetscreamer | what does being gay have to do with homosexuality |
| 08:49.58 | simonrvn | what's your problem with being happy? |
| 08:50.05 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 08:50.07 | jetscreamer | i was hoping nobody would spam that gay factoid... |
| 08:50.18 | Rhoruns | there's a difference? o.0 |
| 08:50.18 | jetscreamer | a double! |
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| 08:50.35 | simonrvn | double? |
| 08:50.41 | jetscreamer | entendre |
| 08:50.53 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: were you being descriptive of the factoid or using it as a derogatory adjective? ;) |
| 08:50.58 | jetscreamer | i called it a gay factoid, but it's name is gay |
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| 08:51.01 | jetscreamer | bot :) |
| 08:51.03 | jetscreamer | both |
| 08:51.11 | simonrvn | ah |
| 08:51.41 | simonrvn | this could get silly really fast :) |
| 08:52.44 | simonrvn | but didn't |
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| 08:53.45 | MadCaddies | can anyone help me with a shell script for log rotation? (i want to remove logs older than 3 days). |
| 08:54.00 | simonrvn | MadCaddies: logrotate |
| 08:55.21 | jetlaw | yay |
| 08:56.24 | blackba55 | does anyone know why windows automatically changes the bootable parition ? |
| 08:57.14 | blackba55 | i have a debian and a windows xp ... and after every windows boot .... the grub doesn't load anymore and windows starts automatically as being the bootable partition |
| 08:57.54 | azeem | blackba55: did you install grub in the mbr? |
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| 08:58.35 | blackba55 | yes |
| 08:59.15 | fireba11 | blackba55: hm . .windows installer killing bootloaders is normal, doing something like that on every boot is not |
| 08:59.21 | MadCaddies | simonrvn: does it removes the older logs? |
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| 09:00.15 | CharminTheMoose | can some do a 'file' on their copy of /usr/bin/cpp-4.1? |
| 09:00.38 | CharminTheMoose | *someone |
| 09:00.50 | lethias | is it possible for me to create a directory in home for to users to be able to access? |
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| 09:01.38 | MadCaddies | lethias: it is by default, doesnt it? |
| 09:01.48 | lethias | I have the folder set to a specific group, the two users are identified to be in the group but i still don't have access to the folder. |
| 09:01.57 | GutterPunk | Can anyone tell me how to disable the dns caching in debian? |
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| 09:02.16 | lethias | madcaddies: I created a folder for the users to dump files. |
| 09:02.17 | semprix | anyone here having problem with banshee? |
| 09:02.20 | Phil|ZZZzzz | lethias, what is the permission on the dir? |
| 09:02.20 | wols_ | debian doesn't do any DNS caching by default |
| 09:02.25 | MadCaddies | lethias: chmod problem, maybe? |
| 09:02.29 | sep | GutterPunk, purge your caching daemon often nscd |
| 09:02.36 | semprix | !itunes |
| 09:02.36 | dpkg | itunes is, like, A nifty music program that won't run under Linux. Try amarok or rhythmbox. |
| 09:02.40 | MadCaddies | lethias: or maybe chown... |
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| 09:03.06 | MadCaddies | lethias: chown user:usergroup dir/file |
| 09:03.10 | GutterPunk | sep: nscd doesn't appear to be installed even |
| 09:03.14 | lethias | madcaddies: i used the users and groups program under gnome but its not allowing my user account access to the folder. |
| 09:03.28 | semprix | !info amarok |
| 09:03.30 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.4.7-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 13100 kB, Installed size: 29492 kB |
| 09:03.30 | GutterPunk | and at best I'd like to disable it |
| 09:03.41 | lethias | i created the folder "files" |
| 09:03.43 | Phil4 | lethias, open up a command line, ls -al /home/ |
| 09:03.48 | Phil4 | paste us the line for that directory |
| 09:03.48 | wols_ | GutterPunk: if there is no dns cache installed there is no caching. netstat -anp |grep 53 as root. check which program listens on port 53 |
| 09:04.10 | wols_ | !wayttd GutterPunk |
| 09:04.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, GutterPunk? |
| 09:04.16 | Bogus8 | could someone look at this email and tell me if postfix could be the cause of it being flagged as "spam" http://www.pastebin.ca/682000 |
| 09:04.27 | Arafangion | Bogus8: Nope. |
| 09:04.29 | Bogus8 | I get that when I try to email my phone |
| 09:04.36 | sep | GutterPunk, then figure out what other caching deamon you ahve and disable or remove it |
| 09:04.38 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: postfix does it alone? |
| 09:04.41 | Arafangion | Bogus8: postfix does not do such flaging. |
| 09:04.43 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: did you look or youa re just that confident? |
| 09:04.47 | Arafangion | Bogus8: I'm confident. |
| 09:04.52 | lethias | drwxr-xr-x 32 duo duo 4096 2007-09-06 04:58 duo |
| 09:04.52 | lethias | drwxr-xr-x 2 jthomas jthomas 4096 2007-09-06 04:42 jthomas |
| 09:04.52 | lethias | drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2007-09-03 17:32 lost+found |
| 09:04.52 | lethias | drwxrwx--- 2 nobody networkfiles 4096 2007-09-06 04:31 NetFiles |
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| 09:04.56 | Arafangion | Bogus8: You might be runnign spamassassin or something else, though. |
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| 09:05.03 | MadCaddies | i must agree with Arafangion |
| 09:05.04 | Bogus8 | sorry, I use mail from the command line to send the email |
| 09:05.07 | Phil4 | since when was the word "line" plural? |
| 09:05.07 | Phil4 | heh |
| 09:05.10 | sep | GutterPunk, are you sure your problem is related to caching ? |
| 09:05.23 | Phil4 | paste the ONE line for the dir question, lethias |
| 09:05.25 | lethias | crap thats not waht i wanted |
| 09:05.36 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: negative, mail to postfix and that's it.. both are nearly default except for canonical maping of my local user name to my real email address |
| 09:05.39 | lethias | lol i hit the wrong key lol |
| 09:05.40 | wols_ | Bogus8: give your mailserver a proper FQDN |
| 09:05.43 | CharminTheMoose | can someone do a 'file' on their copy of /usr/bin/cpp-4.1? |
| 09:06.13 | Bogus8 | wols_: how do you mean? |
| 09:06.17 | Phil4 | what do you need, CharminTheMoose? |
| 09:06.21 | lethias | drwxrwx--- 2 nobody networkfiles 4096 2007-09-06 04:31 NetFiles <---- it is set to a specific group. |
| 09:06.24 | Bogus8 | I understand FQDN but what would I use |
| 09:06.34 | wols_ | I mean "Received: from Archimedes.Gilligans_Island ([68.226.156.130])" is BS |
| 09:06.36 | Arafangion | Bogus8: Postfix does not do any kind of spam "flagging". It might be configured to blacklist certain words or sources or destinations, but that is either a complete bounce, or a complete discard. Never actually modifying it. |
| 09:06.39 | Phil4 | ok, lethias |
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| 09:06.44 | MadCaddies | lethias: the users u set up are in nobody group? |
| 09:06.45 | Bogus8 | wols_: right, though other emails go through |
| 09:06.47 | Phil4 | now: groups networkfiles |
| 09:06.52 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: it'S a ELF binary as it should be. what did you expect |
| 09:06.55 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 09:06.59 | Phil4 | eh, no |
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| 09:07.03 | Phil4 | that won't work |
| 09:07.03 | Phil4 | lol |
| 09:07.04 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: and this is outgoing so it has no reason to flag it I wouldn't think |
| 09:07.04 | wols_ | Bogus8: go through to the same recipient? |
| 09:07.24 | Bogus8 | wols_: not following your question |
| 09:07.26 | Phil4 | cat /etc/group | grep networkfiles |
| 09:07.33 | wols_ | Bogus8: it's not your server that flagged it. it's the RECEIVER. the receiver rejected the mail |
| 09:07.33 | Phil4 | lethias ^^ |
| 09:07.38 | GutterPunk | sep: now I thinks I've been jumping to conclusions. I'm not even running my own ns or ns cache... I'd just like to configure this box as it's own ns. But every query should be lookup up automatically, with no regard to the TTL |
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| 09:07.43 | GutterPunk | *I think |
| 09:07.50 | CharminTheMoose | wols_, thanks for that! mine doesn't seem to be... |
| 09:07.52 | Fox_1_ | people how can I use transparent proxy for https |
| 09:07.54 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 09:07.56 | Bogus8 | wols_: because of that server name? it lets it through sometimes though |
| 09:07.58 | blackba55 | fireba11: it's not messing up my bootloader ... it's messing up the patition table .... i put the linux partition as bootable ... and after i boot windows the bootable partition becomes the windows one |
| 09:08.21 | geo-rge | Bogus8: tangent? no, the act of doing sysadminning is mostly figuring out how lots of people would be able to use a limited number of things and have it all work out |
| 09:08.25 | lethias | phil4 ok i got an output |
| 09:08.30 | blackba55 | *partition |
| 09:08.34 | Phil4 | what does it say? |
| 09:08.36 | Bogus8 | every night a get an email from a server after a backup and I get those but if I try to send during the daytime it seems to flag it |
| 09:08.52 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: wow, welcome to the party LOL |
| 09:08.53 | lethias | networkfiles:x:1002:jthomas,duo it has the 2 users i grouped to it. |
| 09:09.06 | Phil4 | ok |
| 09:09.13 | Phil4 | so they should be able to access the dir |
| 09:09.22 | Bogus8 | so what would I use as a FQDN ? |
| 09:09.26 | Phil4 | you know their account passwords? |
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| 09:09.34 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: we are that interesting eh? |
| 09:09.48 | geo-rge | a domain name which is fully qualified |
| 09:09.48 | lethias | yea |
| 09:09.54 | Phil4 | ok |
| 09:09.59 | Phil4 | su jthomas |
| 09:10.09 | MadCaddies | hehe |
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| 09:10.14 | Phil4 | ls /home/networkfiles/ |
| 09:10.14 | Phil4 | exit |
| 09:10.17 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: even if it's not hosted there? |
| 09:10.17 | Phil4 | cd duo |
| 09:10.20 | Phil4 | ls /home/networkfiles/ |
| 09:10.24 | Phil4 | do both of those work/ |
| 09:10.26 | Phil4 | *? |
| 09:10.31 | Bogus8 | it would have to have valid MX records though right? |
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| 09:11.09 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: btw, thanks for just rewording my question as my answer :p |
| 09:11.38 | wols_ | Bogus8: a domain name under which your MTA is reachable |
| 09:11.40 | lethias | it worked under his name |
| 09:11.52 | Bogus8 | wols_: but it's just on a box in my house |
| 09:12.03 | Bogus8 | not registered publicly anywhere |
| 09:12.05 | lethias | yea, now their working. |
| 09:12.06 | wols_ | Bogus8: your box has an IP and has a domain name |
| 09:12.06 | Bogus8 | no dns |
| 09:12.10 | lethias | thanks phil |
| 09:12.13 | Phil4 | ok, lethias |
| 09:12.18 | Phil4 | but we didn't change anything |
| 09:12.19 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 09:12.36 | lethias | i think its cause i never logged out of gnome to try it. |
| 09:12.45 | pennyk_ | hi, all |
| 09:12.49 | Phil4 | ic |
| 09:12.53 | lethias | i su in to my user account and it worked. |
| 09:12.56 | wols_ | another reason why it's spam is the simple "test" in the body. |
| 09:13.00 | Bogus8 | wols_: what would my domain name be... something my IP slaps on me in the background (like in a /who on here?) |
| 09:13.01 | pennyk_ | Does debian have 'compatibility' packages? |
| 09:13.02 | MadCaddies | ic = it could? |
| 09:13.07 | MadCaddies | >:P |
| 09:13.21 | Bogus8 | wols_: some go through... and nothing is different except time in which I send it |
| 09:13.33 | pennyk_ | I mean, compatibility package provide old glibc version compatibility. |
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| 09:13.58 | Phil4 | Bogus8, I often find it best to use the rdns of the IP the mails are sent from |
| 09:14.06 | wols_ | Bogus8: it actually shouldn't matter truly, but it's one of the few things I can think of that a spam sorcign algorithm might check (non existing received: stanzas which might be mistaken for forged mails) |
| 09:14.30 | Phil4 | you sending them from your own connection, Bogus8? |
| 09:14.48 | Bogus8 | Phil4: yes sir, mail > postfix > ISP's smtp |
| 09:15.00 | Bogus8 | so actually depending on what you meant that might be a no |
| 09:15.03 | Phil4 | ah, postfix relays through ISP |
| 09:15.05 | Phil4 | that's fine |
| 09:15.07 | Bogus8 | yeah |
| 09:15.24 | Phil4 | since your IP is dynamic you'll be on a few DNSBLs |
| 09:15.42 | Bogus8 | I usually actually keep the same IP for a LONG time |
| 09:15.57 | Bogus8 | I do have a dyndns name... could I just use that? |
| 09:16.11 | Rhoruns | k, can someone help me install a couple apps from commandline? i need gcc compiler, and mysql 5.0 |
| 09:16.18 | Phil4 | out of the 10 DNSBLs I use, you're on 1 of them |
| 09:16.24 | Bogus8 | it only resolves to my public IP which is my router and not the originating box (not that I think it would know/matter) |
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| 09:17.06 | Bogus8 | Phil4: hmm, I've had my godaddy account stuff for some of my clients end up on them and had to make some calls... but I"m not really concern with a dynamic IP |
| 09:17.22 | Bogus8 | Phil4: did you see the details of the message? |
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| 09:17.35 | Phil4 | hmmm, hold on |
| 09:17.40 | Phil4 | you sending to Godaddy? |
| 09:17.42 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: apt-get install gcc (I think) |
| 09:17.49 | Rhoruns | k.. |
| 09:17.50 | Bogus8 | and then mysql |
| 09:18.01 | Rhoruns | should i install vncserver before this? |
| 09:18.04 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: apt-cache search <query> is your friend also |
| 09:18.17 | Bogus8 | I thought you didn't want to run a GUI on it?! |
| 09:18.25 | Rhoruns | i didnt know it was a gui |
| 09:18.33 | Bogus8 | what are you going to do with vnc? |
| 09:18.37 | Rhoruns | i just need something so i can execute commands from my windows PC |
| 09:18.42 | Phil4 | Bogus8: are you trying to mail an account hosted with Godaddy? |
| 09:18.46 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: putty |
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| 09:18.50 | Rhoruns | so i dont have to turn my neck over every time |
| 09:18.57 | Rhoruns | ok, so i need a putty server? |
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| 09:19.25 | Bogus8 | Phil4: no, this isn't related to godaddy... just talking about my expereince with the blacklist stuff... this is actually my cell phone company's email to your text message address thing |
| 09:19.34 | Bogus8 | <phone number>@cwemail.com |
| 09:19.35 | Phil4 | Rhoruns: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 09:19.43 | Phil4 | hmmmmm |
| 09:19.46 | Phil4 | ok |
| 09:19.59 | Rhoruns | hmm.. |
| 09:20.01 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: what Phil4 said, and you use putty as a client on windows machines |
| 09:20.06 | Phil4 | was just asking since I was trying to mail a friend @ godaddy yesterday and it was being rejected since it was apparently spam |
| 09:20.19 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: on a linxu box you just type ssh <host> |
| 09:20.36 | Phil4 | ssh <user>@<host> infact |
| 09:20.36 | Phil4 | lol |
| 09:20.42 | Bogus8 | for the most part, mine are always more complicated but that's as simple as it CAN be |
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| 09:20.44 | Rhoruns | with the openssh server, will i need to configure anything? |
| 09:20.55 | Bogus8 | Phil4: if you have the same user you don't need that :D |
| 09:21.02 | Phil4 | indeed |
| 09:21.10 | Bogus8 | I just put my same user on all my machines |
| 09:21.18 | Phil4 | Rhoruns, only additional security if you feel it's necessary |
| 09:21.37 | Bogus8 | though I often ssh from other users so that is why my stuff gets crazy, and I use DSA keys so I sometimes use -i |
| 09:21.55 | Phil4 | I found a cool trick the other day |
| 09:21.57 | Rhoruns | kk. thanks phil4 :) |
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| 09:22.18 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: like I just said, I use DSA keys... it means no typing in passwords and as long as no one has your private key then it is very secure |
| 09:22.36 | Rhoruns | i dont mind typing in passwords |
| 09:22.37 | Bogus8 | so you can ADD that and disable text passwords (which is what I do) |
| 09:22.46 | Phil4 | you can make ~/.ssh/config and put in it "Host server.com\nUser whatever" |
| 09:22.59 | Phil4 | and it'll take whatever as the default user rather than your current username |
| 09:23.19 | Rhoruns | i'm not worrying about security or using auto-login stuff, i just want to access my box from another pc |
| 09:23.27 | Bogus8 | so you can have a "database" of possible users for different servers? |
| 09:23.30 | Bogus8 | that's pretty slick |
| 09:23.45 | Phil4 | yeh, Bogus8 |
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| 09:23.58 | Phil4 | can change the default Port as well |
| 09:24.06 | Phil4 | "Host server.com\nUser whatever\nPort 23" |
| 09:24.07 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: if you decide to map it out of your router so you can access from outside the world then I would suggest learning how to use the key |
| 09:24.14 | Bogus8 | people WILL try to hack an open ssh port |
| 09:24.16 | Phil4 | can probably change other stuff I'd imagine |
| 09:24.21 | Rhoruns | i dont want to access it from outside my router. |
| 09:24.26 | Phil4 | ah, yes, brute force |
| 09:24.36 | Bogus8 | Phil4: hmm, that is very slick as I also move my port to thwart off lazy probe'rs |
| 09:24.43 | Rhoruns | this is all internal right now. |
| 09:24.58 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: just remember the keys if you do go outside... |
| 09:25.02 | shnastybiznastic | when using the netinstall disc, what exactly constitutes "standard system"? I selected web and file server (since those are jobs this box will do, hur hur), but I don't know if this is stuff that I would need. |
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| 09:25.08 | Bogus8 | I love my ssh and screen |
| 09:25.11 | Phil4 | 36706 denied this far |
| 09:25.12 | Phil4 | heh |
| 09:25.16 | Rhoruns | apt-get openssh-server isnt working. why can't i be a regular user while installing this? |
| 09:25.17 | Bogus8 | LOL |
| 09:25.23 | Phil4 | I run it inside screen, Bogus8 |
| 09:25.32 | Rhoruns | isn't it a security issue if i try installing apps while under root? |
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| 09:25.51 | Bogus8 | I'm thinking about printing my DSA key on a t-shirt and set up a honeypot just to see if any nerd really goes through the trouble of some how recording it and then typing it all in |
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| 09:26.06 | Phil4 | depends on the app, Rhoruns |
| 09:26.16 | Rhoruns | openssh-server |
| 09:26.22 | Phil4 | eh, no |
| 09:26.25 | Phil4 | lol |
| 09:26.27 | Rhoruns | kk.. thanks |
| 09:26.27 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: because apt-get doesn't let just anyone install junk all over your computer... it's to protect the system |
| 09:26.28 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 09:26.29 | MadCaddies | Phil4 let me see how u do that? :D |
| 09:26.30 | Phil4 | you need to be root to use apt-get |
| 09:26.41 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 09:26.45 | Phil4 | MadCaddies, how I do what? |
| 09:27.06 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: `su -` to become root then do it |
| 09:27.07 | MadCaddies | [03:25] * Phil4 runs denyhosts to deny users who get the pass wrong 3 times |
| 09:27.16 | Rhoruns | yeah |
| 09:27.28 | Rhoruns | i'm starting to get the hang of this |
| 09:27.39 | Phil4 | MadCaddies: apt-get install denyhosts |
| 09:27.44 | Rhoruns | lol.. it asked me for my deb-CD |
| 09:27.50 | MadCaddies | Phil4 and? |
| 09:27.51 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: the first couple days while I'm configing the system I usually keep a putty session up with me logged in as root and another as a regular user (or just two <tabs> in screen) |
| 09:27.57 | Phil4 | then tweak it in /etc/denyhosts.conf |
| 09:28.11 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: ah, you can edit out that in your apt.sources |
| 09:28.20 | Bogus8 | then run apt-get update again |
| 09:28.33 | Bogus8 | it will remove the idea of a cdrom based source from apt's database |
| 09:28.38 | themill | fail2ban is also good for preventing ssh bruteforce attacks |
| 09:28.44 | Rhoruns | nah it's fine. it reminds me not to lose the disc lol :D |
| 09:29.08 | MadCaddies | Phil4: DENY_THRESHOLD_INVALID = 5? |
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| 09:29.12 | Rhoruns | money is tight and i can't waste discs |
| 09:29.14 | Bogus8 | it just takes too long for me to spin up the cd just to find old packages and not many since I use net install |
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| 09:29.27 | MadCaddies | Phil4 that simple? |
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| 09:30.02 | Rhoruns | kk, it looks like the serve is installed. shall i just fire up putty on my winxp? |
| 09:30.05 | Bogus8 | why not just use keys? |
| 09:30.18 | Bogus8 | umm yes |
| 09:30.21 | Rhoruns | kk. lol |
| 09:30.22 | Phil4 | MadCaddies: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=706 |
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| 09:30.54 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: my putty is all tweaked out because of keys and stuff so when I set up putty I take a few minutes going through the options |
| 09:31.05 | Rhoruns | wow, ssh is illegal in some countries..? |
| 09:31.05 | Bogus8 | Oh, you might want to set the translation to UTF-8 |
| 09:31.21 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: it's because it's encrypted |
| 09:31.25 | Rhoruns | right |
| 09:31.29 | Phil4 | MadCaddies: I also have it sync with the main server too so that it gets info of serial brute forcers before they hit me |
| 09:31.38 | garo | i think it's illegal in the states |
| 09:31.44 | garo | not sure |
| 09:31.45 | Bogus8 | Phil4: that's slick |
| 09:31.58 | Bogus8 | garo: which states? |
| 09:32.01 | garo | or it was illegal to export it from the states |
| 09:32.03 | Bogus8 | not these |
| 09:32.04 | garo | usa |
| 09:32.08 | Bogus8 | yeah, you can't export it |
| 09:32.17 | Bogus8 | because it's illegal in others |
| 09:32.25 | Bogus8 | probably singapore or china or some places like that |
| 09:32.29 | Bogus8 | saudi arabia? |
| 09:32.48 | Bogus8 | all the places with poor human rights records basically |
| 09:33.01 | Rhoruns | OMG!!! putty and ssh works woot! :D |
| 09:33.07 | Rhoruns | thank you so much Bogus8 |
| 09:33.08 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: pretty slick eh? |
| 09:33.16 | Rhoruns | yes thank you thank you thank you |
| 09:33.21 | Bogus8 | now, install screen |
| 09:33.28 | MadCaddies | Phil4: very nice, thanks :) |
| 09:33.29 | Rhoruns | any particular reason? |
| 09:33.37 | Phil4 | :) |
| 09:33.38 | themill | Bogus8: it was considered to be a munition so export from the USA was prohibited. |
| 09:33.47 | Bogus8 | screen let's you run a "session" that you can "detatch" and the reattach later or on a different machine |
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| 09:33.54 | Bogus8 | it picks up right where you left off |
| 09:34.12 | Rhoruns | oh |
| 09:34.13 | Bogus8 | themill: munition? |
| 09:34.18 | Phil4 | Bogus8: you found a way to save a screen session and re-load it on reboot? |
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| 09:34.22 | MadCaddies | whats a good value to classify a mail as a spam, on amavis and spamassassin? |
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| 09:34.33 | Phil4 | I had to reboot the server the other day and restoring ssh connections in screen is a pita |
| 09:34.34 | Phil4 | lol |
| 09:34.34 | themill | !dict munition |
| 09:34.36 | dpkg | Dictionary 'munition' (2 of 6): supply with weapons ;; Munition \Mu*ni"tion\, n. [F., munition of war, L. munitio a fortifying, fortification, fr. munire to fortify, defend with a wall; cf. moenia walls, murus (for moirus) a wall, and Skr. mi to fix, make firm. Cf. Ammunition.] 1. Fortification; stronghold. [Obs.]. |
| 09:34.50 | themill | gee.. that was clear. |
| 09:34.54 | Phil4 | MadCaddies: I use 4.5 for SA |
| 09:34.58 | Phil4 | no idea about amavis |
| 09:34.58 | themill | like a gun or bomb |
| 09:35.00 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: my irssi runs in screen and I can leave here and go in my office and pick up the screen session and you have no clue I left from one computer to the other and I still have all my logs and everything because it's literally the exact same instance of the program running |
| 09:35.16 | Rhoruns | ohh. that's cool |
| 09:35.19 | Bogus8 | themill: yeah, I thought that but how was ssh considered munitions? |
| 09:35.24 | Rhoruns | i dont think i'll need that, but w/e |
| 09:35.37 | wols_ | Bogus8: encryption. it was "military grade" |
| 09:35.52 | MadCaddies | !ransomware |
| 09:35.55 | themill | Bogus8: all crypto was. Anything that stopped the US military from knowing what you were doing was a munition. |
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| 09:36.00 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: when I'm running via the net and doing anything serious like continuing to configure servers while my gf sleeps or something and I get disconnected due to timeout or whatever I just log back in and pick it back up |
| 09:36.11 | MadCaddies | !dict ransomware |
| 09:36.13 | dpkg | could not find definition for ransomware |
| 09:36.24 | Bogus8 | themill: symantics :p |
| 09:36.28 | Rhoruns | oh ok. but i dont have a girlfriend :( |
| 09:36.31 | Bogus8 | semantics*? |
| 09:36.34 | Rhoruns | so i dont think screen is for me, yet |
| 09:36.46 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: LOL, well if you go to grandma's :p |
| 09:36.48 | Rhoruns | hahaha |
| 09:37.09 | Bogus8 | still good if your windows computer crashes or you want to restart or whatever |
| 09:37.28 | Rhoruns | ok. i'll just apt-get it then so i dont forget :P |
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| 09:37.36 | Bogus8 | the propram you were running, installing whatever, doesn't get killed and can continue |
| 09:37.40 | themill | Bogus8: There was an attempt in a US court a couple of years ago to classify any use of encryption as trying to hide something and hence if you used encrypted emails, partitions etc then you became guilty until proven innocent. Nice touch. |
| 09:37.43 | Phil4 | Bogus8: you got screen configured with a hardstatus? |
| 09:38.00 | Rhoruns | couldnt find package: screen... hmmm |
| 09:38.03 | joga | themill, heh, and germany outlawed security tools ;) |
| 09:38.13 | Bogus8 | themill: I don't doubt that one bit... Orwell was so amazingly on with 1984 |
| 09:38.24 | Phil4 | Bogus8: http://127dot0dot0dot1.com/screenshots/SnapShot-200795-103754.jpg |
| 09:38.26 | Bogus8 | my boss doesn't wonder if they aren't using that text as a guidline ;) |
| 09:38.32 | themill | Bogus8, joga: yep... it's nice, isn't it |
| 09:38.33 | Phil4 | hummm |
| 09:38.38 | Phil4 | jpeg sucks |
| 09:38.38 | Phil4 | sec |
| 09:38.38 | Bogus8 | Phil4: not sure, what's it do? |
| 09:39.03 | Phil4 | http://127dot0dot0dot1.com/screenshots/SnapShot-200795-103839.png |
| 09:39.07 | Phil4 | see down the bottom of there |
| 09:39.10 | Rhoruns | brb.. prairie-dogging atm.. >.< |
| 09:39.20 | Phil4 | it has the effect of "tabs" |
| 09:39.28 | Phil4 | I find it quite handy |
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| 09:39.50 | Teejay_wp | hi |
| 09:40.20 | themill | Bogus8, joga: a friend of mine in Sydney just emailed me some photos of his current "safe working environment" ... snipers on the roof for the APEC summit. Of course, having taken photos of the snipers he's probably got himself a secret service record now and as the recipient... |
| 09:40.23 | Bogus8 | V for vendetta which obviously borrowed quite a lot from 1984 is one of my favorite movies |
| 09:40.32 | Bogus8 | I almost cry at then when I see that revolt! |
| 09:40.39 | SpeedyG | V was nice |
| 09:40.48 | Teejay_wp | They have overdone the security for the APEC forum |
| 09:40.54 | joga | themill ;p |
| 09:41.22 | Bogus8 | themill: my moms went to DC recently and on easter she was asking me to go online and find out how she can go to the white house... I was like.... UMM, no! |
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| 09:42.22 | Bogus8 | Phil4: vista? *puke* come on! ;) |
| 09:42.29 | Phil4 | I love Vista :) |
| 09:42.34 | Phil4 | never caused me any issues |
| 09:42.34 | lick_me_f | http://vans.tbc.bg/uploaded |
| 09:42.38 | Phil4 | plus, it was free |
| 09:42.47 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 09:42.48 | Penix | no, it wasn't |
| 09:42.53 | MadCaddies | what you mean free? |
| 09:42.55 | MadCaddies | :D |
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| 09:43.12 | MadCaddies | mine was "free" too |
| 09:43.18 | Bogus8 | Phil4: you are one of the only people... it's been nothing but trouble for the few clients I have that got it |
| 09:43.33 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: no... |
| 09:43.33 | Phil4 | I oper on another IRC network haunted by those nice people that help idiots remove malware from their PCs |
| 09:43.37 | Penix | I love ebola since I can get it for free |
| 09:43.42 | Phil4 | many of which are MVPs |
| 09:43.55 | Phil4 | so I aquire free Microsoft licenses when I need them |
| 09:43.58 | themill | Bogus8: so she doesn't want this map, then: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Boston+airport&daddr=1600+Pennsylvania+St,+washington&sll=38.898714,-77.036475&sspn=0.009519,0.019011&ie=UTF8&z=7&om=1 |
| 09:44.00 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: hes not the only one, i dont have any problem with it, to be sincere, i dont have any problem with XP too. |
| 09:44.15 | ArPharazon | \quit |
| 09:44.21 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: do you know whats the problem on Windows? USERS! |
| 09:44.32 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: no, I loved 2k and XP was just a candied up version of 2k |
| 09:44.53 | Phil4 | in my experience of talking to people about it, everyone that uses it likes it and hasn't had many issues with it |
| 09:45.09 | MadCaddies | oh, i forgot... |
| 09:45.13 | Phil4 | the 1 issue I have had which doesn't bother me too much is that openvpn doesn't work with it |
| 09:45.23 | Phil4 | which is probably their fault for being slow to make it work with it |
| 09:45.24 | Phil4 | lol |
| 09:45.27 | MadCaddies | i have one problem, when my laptop sleeps, it dont come back :P |
| 09:45.41 | MadCaddies | but its HP fault :( |
| 09:45.50 | Phil4 | what's your HP laptop? |
| 09:45.59 | MadCaddies | HP dv9033 |
| 09:46.00 | Phil4 | I have an NX6125 and an NX6325 |
| 09:46.00 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: I agree... a aquantince of mine was arguing mac vs PC a while back and said, in the past year I've had 107 viruses on my pc, in that same time I had 5 on my mac, that says something right there... I responded, Yes, it does, because in that same time frame I got ZERO and I don't even run virus protection or spyware protection/detection software |
| 09:46.11 | MadCaddies | dv9033cl |
| 09:46.23 | Phil4 | ah |
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| 09:46.33 | Bogus8 | Phil4: well, lots of software has been slow to step up it seems |
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| 09:46.47 | Phil4 | I dunno, Bogus8 |
| 09:46.57 | Phil4 | openvpn is the only thing I've found that didn't work |
| 09:47.00 | Bogus8 | yeah one of my clients has one of those HP Touchsmarts... oh i hate that machine |
| 09:47.13 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: same here... lol, none protection and none infection too :P (just ran a several tests and then uninstalled av and etc...) |
| 09:47.29 | Phil4 | I was using it about 1 month prior to pubic release and driver support was shocking |
| 09:47.38 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: and I run like 3-5 windows machines and I'll go to ANY site on the web |
| 09:47.48 | Phil4 | the day it released to the public, drivers for all my stuff suddenly came about |
| 09:47.52 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: well, i wont. lol |
| 09:48.17 | Phil4 | I'll go to ANY site on the web |
| 09:48.18 | Phil4 | just not in IE |
| 09:48.18 | Phil4 | lol |
| 09:48.19 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: i go to almost every site, but theres some sites i know that is risky :P |
| 09:48.21 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: I use Opera, I haven't seen anything that is written to exploit it yet |
| 09:48.26 | Phil4 | I feel pretty secure with Opera |
| 09:48.28 | MadCaddies | Phil4 sure... lol |
| 09:48.47 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: I got to sites that I KNOW norton used to flag when I went there with IE |
| 09:48.50 | themill | Phil4: lynx... |
| 09:48.56 | MadCaddies | i use firefox here... |
| 09:48.59 | Bogus8 | I LOVE Opera |
| 09:49.03 | Phil4 | well, that's fairly secure too, themill |
| 09:49.09 | Phil4 | it just lacks in prettyness |
| 09:49.09 | Phil4 | lol |
| 09:49.10 | themill | :) |
| 09:49.27 | Phil4 | I imagine telnet is equally as secure |
| 09:49.30 | Bogus8 | I won't lie though... I use it fairly often |
| 09:49.39 | Bogus8 | eek... or not |
| 09:49.41 | Phil4 | it just requires your brain to parse html into a lil virtual image |
| 09:50.05 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: well, you are risking yourself, lol... |
| 09:50.06 | themill | Phil4: you didn't just mention telnet and secure in the same sentence, did you? |
| 09:50.24 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: but they go after the masses by targeting flaws in IE |
| 09:50.30 | Phil4 | lol themill |
| 09:50.45 | Phil4 | as an app that makes raw socket connections, it's pretty good |
| 09:50.45 | MadCaddies | i remember a trojan that self-installed when you just got to a site, not interaction needed |
| 09:50.58 | Teejay_wp | excuse may I ask what is a good program for debian to manage the files in your mp3 player |
| 09:51.00 | Phil4 | as a remote control app, it's not great |
| 09:51.01 | MadCaddies | windows meta file, i guess. |
| 09:51.32 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: yeah, but it needed a flaw in your browser |
| 09:51.43 | themill | Teejay_wp: I use amarok |
| 09:51.53 | joga | Teejay_wp, personally I like a player/library called quod libet, it has nice features and is simple enough |
| 09:52.03 | Phil4 | surely anything that allows malicious code to run is a flaw |
| 09:52.05 | Teejay_wp | ty for the ti[ps |
| 09:53.11 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: i use an extension on firefox, from mcafee, that flags sites as secure or not secure, even on google searchs, very good.. :P |
| 09:53.33 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: similar to norton? |
| 09:53.54 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: why? :P |
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| 09:54.03 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: the norton I refered to was actual AV that would pop up saying virus detected |
| 09:54.17 | Bogus8 | Opera > Firefox ? ;) |
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| 09:55.24 | MadCaddies | its a point of view, not? :P |
| 09:55.25 | shnastybiznastic | alright, this is going to sound like an idiot question, I just installed etch from netinst, and when I try to install sudo using apt-get it asks for the CD. Shouldn't apt be looking at the mirror as opposed to asking for the CD? |
| 09:55.26 | Supaplex | free > |
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| 09:55.42 | Supaplex | !tell shnastybiznastic -about sources.list |
| 09:55.47 | Supaplex | !tell shnastybiznastic -about mirrors |
| 09:55.49 | shnastybiznastic | woo |
| 09:56.01 | shnastybiznastic | i'mma go get my larn on |
| 09:56.04 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: definitely... I only ask my clients to NOT use IE, use what you want, I use Opera but DON"T use IE |
| 09:56.06 | themill | shnastybiznastic: remove the cd from your sources.list and then aptitude update |
| 09:56.19 | themill | shnastybiznastic: and if you're doing a fresh install, please use aptitude not apt-get |
| 09:56.26 | Bogus8 | shnastybiznastic: you can take i tout of sources.list |
| 09:56.30 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: lol... damn right |
| 09:56.36 | Bogus8 | then rerun apt-get update |
| 09:56.50 | themill | !why aptitude |
| 09:56.50 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 09:56.56 | Supaplex | three answers for the same question. nice. |
| 09:57.03 | shnastybiznastic | themill: I thought aptitude was a graphical tool, this is a web and file server |
| 09:57.07 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: and you wouldn't imagine how hard that is... people act like it's some martian based system or something "I don't know how to use that though" |
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| 09:57.33 | themill | shnastybiznastic: you can use aptitude as a text-based menu tool or you can use it as a drop-in replacement for apt-get. It does both. |
| 09:57.34 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: lol... even if it has no difference... incredible |
| 09:57.42 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: when you say free you mean open source or no cost? |
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| 09:57.53 | themill | Supaplex: slow morning in #d... |
| 09:57.53 | Supaplex | Bogus8: foss > $0 |
| 09:57.55 | shnastybiznastic | themill: thanks |
| 09:58.02 | themill | shnastybiznastic: np ;) |
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| 09:58.10 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: it drives me crazy.. or they say, no I don't use IE I use AOL |
| 09:58.32 | Supaplex | Bogus8: that's the que to SHOOT THEM. right? :) |
| 09:58.39 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: ok, just making sure that's what you meant |
| 09:59.02 | shnastybiznastic | I'm probably going to be in and out of here with noobish questions for the next few weeks. I'm migrating my LANs main file and web server to debian from slackware. |
| 09:59.09 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: nah, I usually haven't gotten paid yet :D |
| 09:59.26 | Bogus8 | I just tell them that it's the exact same thing... right click on a page and show them that he pop up is identical |
| 09:59.27 | Rhoruns | dang it, there was a hint of blood in my stool :( |
| 09:59.37 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: lol... thats why 90% of computers are infected with spyware or something... ppl are just stupid :P |
| 09:59.44 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.55 | Supaplex | Rhoruns: TMI |
| 10:00.00 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: we really don't want to know, but if it was bright then it's ok, but if it was dark then that's something else |
| 10:00.13 | Rhoruns | im sorry, but do i need to go to the docter?? |
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| 10:00.43 | Rhoruns | it was probably just scrapes from the popcorn kernels |
| 10:00.47 | Rhoruns | w/e w/e.. im sorry |
| 10:00.51 | Rhoruns | forget it |
| 10:00.56 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: like I said, there are two different "types" of blood (causes really) and one is nothing the other is something to be conerned about |
| 10:00.56 | themill | Rhoruns: that's just soooooo off topic |
| 10:00.57 | ArPharazon | cool |
| 10:00.59 | shnastybiznastic | Rhoruns: yeah, bright is fine, dark is a problem |
| 10:00.59 | Supaplex | </trollbait> |
| 10:01.22 | Rhoruns | k, then i think im fin |
| 10:01.27 | Rhoruns | fine* |
| 10:01.37 | Bogus8 | hehe, k, now keep it to yourself ;) |
| 10:01.41 | Rhoruns | kk :) |
| 10:01.43 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 10:01.53 | Rhoruns | is there a #medical or something? lol |
| 10:02.02 | MadCaddies | [04:00] <themill> Rhoruns: that's just soooooo off topic |
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| 10:02.09 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: the bad thing is I have NO clue what to suggest for anti-virus to people because I don't have ANY experience with any |
| 10:02.11 | MadCaddies | who cares about it in this time of the morning? |
| 10:02.14 | MadCaddies | :D |
| 10:02.15 | shnastybiznastic | just as a heads up, when you find blood in an orifice, it's usually best to call a doctor as opposed to alerting your current IRC channel. |
| 10:02.22 | Rhoruns | hahaha |
| 10:02.29 | Bogus8 | I do install stuff on the 20+ computers I have in the gulf of mexico, but again, I don't use them so I don't know how often it "saves" them |
| 10:02.31 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: i do. :P |
| 10:02.32 | shnastybiznastic | You know, for the future |
| 10:02.43 | Bogus8 | but most of my computers come back broke and not just buggered up anymore |
| 10:02.44 | Rhoruns | good idea shnastybiznastic :) |
| 10:02.47 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: u can ask me, lol... |
| 10:02.57 | Bogus8 | but I got hem using ff or opera and delete all short cuts to IE :) |
| 10:03.09 | Supaplex | !clamav |
| 10:03.09 | dpkg | i heard clamav is a widely used free(GPL/FLOSS) antivirus software toolkit for Unix-like operating systems. It is mainly used with a mail exchange server as a server-side email virus scanner. apt-get install avscan; for a gtk+ gui. ClamAV can be configured to automatically update its list of virus definitions via the Internet. Both ClamAV itself and the updates are made available free of charge. http://www.clamav.net |
| 10:03.29 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: IE is such a bug that u cant even uninstall it |
| 10:03.30 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 10:03.42 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: that runs on windows? |
| 10:03.52 | Supaplex | MadCaddies: there's IE erradicator |
| 10:04.03 | themill | Bogus8: yes, but not as a real-time protection service only on-demand |
| 10:04.06 | MadCaddies | nice, i will try it, lol... |
| 10:04.10 | Supaplex | Bogus8: there's a win32 port |
| 10:04.25 | Rhoruns | awesome, i can make putty fullscreen, and fool people in to thinking im running linux :D |
| 10:04.26 | cast | hmm, so if i want to get this java applet on this site to work, would i install sun-java5-jre? [i have nfi about this stuff] |
| 10:04.28 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: and now they are using this online application that REQUIRES IE! grr, so now I have to explain to everyone of those monkeys why they can't use IE for general surfing and ESPECIALLY porn! |
| 10:04.29 | MadCaddies | on win use: kaspersky, nod32, avg... |
| 10:04.38 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: I might have to try tha tout |
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| 10:04.55 | MadCaddies | lol!!! |
| 10:04.56 | Bogus8 | kaspersky much > than free |
| 10:05.01 | themill | cast: for an applet in a browser? sun-java5-plugin (or -java6-) |
| 10:05.16 | Bogus8 | avg *shrug* I use antivira or whatever it is |
| 10:05.26 | MadCaddies | a free... i would suggest avg... |
| 10:05.30 | Supaplex | real men don't need AV |
| 10:05.34 | Bogus8 | cast: that sounds right |
| 10:05.40 | Supaplex | we chew em up with our teeth ;) |
| 10:05.59 | Bogus8 | cast: listen to themill I'm sure he knows better |
| 10:06.06 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: what app is that? |
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| 10:06.43 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: well, i got about 75 monkeys off shore that have to use the computer in the middle of the gulf of mexico... they are going to get infected |
| 10:07.12 | Supaplex | Bogus8: men != monkies. case closed. |
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| 10:07.14 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: antivira? www.free-av.com just something I saw that had descent reviews |
| 10:07.34 | Bogus8 | I dont' have much horsepower on these machines so i try to keep it lean as possible |
| 10:07.44 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: you have never been offshore have you? |
| 10:07.47 | themill | Bogus8, cast: -plugin depends on -jre, but it also tells various browsers where it is installed. |
| 10:08.04 | Rhoruns | hey, how can i make a really small shell account so i can let my friend log-in and basically do nothing to harm my pc? |
| 10:08.06 | Supaplex | Bogus8: not more than a few miles :) |
| 10:08.10 | Bogus8 | themill: ah, nice |
| 10:08.36 | cast | hmm, so if i want to get this java applet on this site to work, would i install sun-java5-jre? [i have nfi about this stuff] [not sure if my last message got through, yay for unstable net] |
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| 10:08.54 | Bogus8 | yeah when I set up a system that needs a web server I'll install php so it grabs apache all in one simple command :) |
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| 10:09.11 | Bogus8 | cast: oh, well we all answered you ;) |
| 10:09.16 | wsdo_okadr | I want to play STARCRAFT demo on Debian |
| 10:09.24 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 10:09.24 | wsdo_okadr | has anyone here succeded in doing that ? |
| 10:09.31 | Bogus8 | 05:04 < themill> cast: for an applet in a browser? sun-java5-plugin (or -java6-) |
| 10:09.35 | Rhoruns | use cedega or wine |
| 10:09.36 | Bogus8 | shit |
| 10:09.37 | Bogus8 | sorry |
| 10:09.40 | wsdo_okadr | Rhoruns: I have a work coleague who tells me "I beat you at starcraft" |
| 10:09.47 | Rhoruns | LOL ?? |
| 10:09.49 | wsdo_okadr | Rhoruns: I'll show him |
| 10:09.50 | cast | thanks themill, Bogus8 |
| 10:09.52 | Bogus8 | I forgot I was up in my buffer so I didnt' see that paste was owrking |
| 10:10.11 | Supaplex | !pastesmite Bogus8 |
| 10:10.13 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 10:10.35 | Rhoruns | wsdo_okadr, check out cedega and/or wine. they're kind of like emulators |
| 10:10.42 | Bogus8 | lol, I looked down and saw --more-- and was like "OH damn! |
| 10:10.55 | Rhoruns | they take a bit of work to get running though |
| 10:10.57 | Bogus8 | I was hammering away on those two mouse buttons |
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| 10:11.18 | Bogus8 | wine has a descent database that will tell you what other's experiences have been |
| 10:11.23 | Bogus8 | as well as tips on how to make it work |
| 10:11.28 | Rhoruns | yeah |
| 10:11.34 | Rhoruns | and cedega is not free.. :( |
| 10:11.34 | wsdo_okadr | Bogus8: WOOOHAAAAAAAA !!!! YEAH BABEY :) |
| 10:11.36 | Bogus8 | nothing is worth that much work to me though ;) |
| 10:11.44 | shnastybiznastic | aright, next noob question: ssh. Do I need to install sshd? |
| 10:11.45 | Rhoruns | those capitalist bastages.. >:P |
| 10:11.48 | wsdo_okadr | Bogus8: so where can I see this databse ? |
| 10:11.58 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: that was pretty punny |
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| 10:12.08 | Rhoruns | http://www.winehq.org/ |
| 10:12.32 | cast | oh dear. sun-java5-plugin is a !AMD64 thing isn't it |
| 10:12.32 | Rhoruns | heheheh :D |
| 10:12.42 | shnastybiznastic | cast: quite |
| 10:12.47 | cast | but i just had a genius idea. ill just use the opensolaris box next to this one which came with all those things :) |
| 10:12.48 | themill | shnastybiznastic: on a headless server? yes, you'll most probably want sshd (package openssh-server) |
| 10:12.50 | Bogus8 | cast: umm, apt should only be pulling down things for your arch. |
| 10:13.05 | shnastybiznastic | themill: high five! |
| 10:13.15 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 10:13.28 | cast | Bogus8: indeed, hence why i couldn't find it |
| 10:13.42 | themill | cast: yes, I think you're right about that. |
| 10:14.05 | themill | cast: you'll have to see if one of the free javas works... or see how openjdk is going ;) |
| 10:14.06 | Bogus8 | cast: well then my suggetion of saying "yes, that's what you need" is the right answer I guess |
| 10:14.18 | shnastybiznastic | oh yeah, initializing appletalk services slows down my bootup time a little, and I only have the one mac user on the lan, can I disable that? |
| 10:14.29 | Bogus8 | themill's answer was just gonna install it anyway |
| 10:14.43 | shnastybiznastic | I'm used to rc.d stuff, so bear with me |
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| 10:15.14 | Bogus8 | shnastybiznastic: I doubt you even use appletalk protocol |
| 10:15.29 | shnastybiznastic | Bogus8: yeah, I doubt it too |
| 10:15.29 | Bogus8 | shnastybiznastic: macs now talk tcp/ip like the rest of the world ;) |
| 10:15.56 | themill | cast: sorry for the bum-steer with the sun java stuff -- didn't know you were on amd64 |
| 10:15.58 | shnastybiznastic | Bogus8: oh, I do have an old mac, but it's running netbsd |
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| 10:16.37 | Bogus8 | shnastybiznastic: appletalk is just a protocol to talk to other computers like tcp/ip... so if it can run tcp/ip then just do that and scrap that appletalk crap |
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| 10:17.26 | shnastybiznastic | Bogus8: that's what I thought, but I'm familiar with BSD-style init, how do I kick that mess to the curb system V style? |
| 10:17.44 | Bogus8 | cast: ah, I get the !amd64 now... eek, good luck too much stuff isn't availible for 64...it's sad |
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| 10:18.17 | shnastybiznastic | it's no better with any OS right now. 64-bit XP and Vista are both nigh unusable |
| 10:18.24 | Bogus8 | shnastybiznastic: well, there is still rcX.d stuff.. but I dont' know if that is where appletalk is |
| 10:18.33 | cast | Bogus8: nah, amd64 rocks :) |
| 10:18.40 | cast | observe my eth TX and RX counters |
| 10:18.47 | Bogus8 | cast: if you can just find the apps/drivers for it :( |
| 10:18.52 | cast | External Traffic (eth0): 67513.66MB In/77449.26MB Out |
| 10:19.00 | shnastybiznastic | Bogus8: well, now that I can ssh in and use my trusty model-M, I'm happy, so it's init-fiddlin' time! |
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| 10:19.01 | MadCaddies | Bogus8: but he can use 32bits libraries to solve that, right? |
| 10:19.18 | Bogus8 | cast: were you the one rsync'ing earlier? |
| 10:19.24 | cast | Bogus8: its only non-free stuff thats a bitch. so flash/win32codecs/sun-java-playground |
| 10:19.34 | cast | Bogus8: nope |
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| 10:19.57 | Bogus8 | MadCaddies: sometimes I think so.. I have one machine but I kinda haven't booted it up to debian lately *hangs head in shame* |
| 10:20.02 | MadCaddies | i had that problem with flash... but then i had install 32 bits libraries and solve the problem |
| 10:20.04 | themill | MadCaddies, Bogus8, cast: good thought... there's a 32bit chroot routine for java, codecs and friends. Don't know the details but it might help |
| 10:20.17 | Bogus8 | to my defense, I need certain win apps to remote into my pc's off shore ;) |
| 10:20.39 | cast | indeed. but i don't like closed source code anyway, seems a security issue to me among other things, [oh and there was that macromedia flash security issue ever so recently] |
| 10:20.43 | ArPharazon | !info |
| 10:21.03 | ArPharazon | !info schroot |
| 10:21.06 | MadCaddies | i dont like flash :/ |
| 10:21.07 | dpkg | schroot: (Execute commands in a chroot environment), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.1.5-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 516 kB, Installed size: 1524 kB |
| 10:21.11 | wsdo_okadr | Bogus8: you are the man |
| 10:21.32 | Bogus8 | cast: I wish I would have looked at those stats on my old fileserver before the UPS ran out of juice the other day I was a couple days shy of 500 days of uptime :) |
| 10:21.39 | Supaplex | flash iz evil! |
| 10:21.40 | garo | Did any ever experience this while trying to set quota for a user ? |
| 10:21.42 | garo | quotatool: Failed setting quota (generic): No such process |
| 10:21.45 | MadCaddies | thats nice |
| 10:21.57 | MadCaddies | ArPharazon: i will install it |
| 10:21.58 | MadCaddies | hehe |
| 10:22.06 | Bogus8 | wsdo_okadr: what did I do again? |
| 10:22.18 | wsdo_okadr | Bogus8: stuff .. |
| 10:22.40 | Rhoruns | i'm thinking about making a series of Linux app video tutorials on installing and configuring programs from commandline. do you guys think it be good for noobs? |
| 10:22.52 | Bogus8 | make me look up >:| |
| 10:22.57 | cast | not really, whats the point in the video Rhoruns? |
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| 10:23.11 | cast | video tutorials for say, blender, that makes sense. but for the command line? |
| 10:23.14 | wsdo_okadr | Rhoruns: video tutorials are the lamest tutorials ever |
| 10:23.14 | Rhoruns | :( just want to help people like me get certain things working |
| 10:23.25 | Bogus8 | well, sadly people are too lazy to read, they might actually watch it ;) |
| 10:23.27 | wsdo_okadr | Rhoruns: if you want to build something to last ... write them |
| 10:23.28 | Rhoruns | im sorry.. :( |
| 10:23.40 | niagin | i'm having a little trouble praising Debian. |
| 10:23.49 | niagin | why is it 386 only? |
| 10:23.52 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 10:23.57 | MadCaddies | i agree with Bogus8 |
| 10:23.58 | simonrvn | niagin: what? |
| 10:24.07 | cast | niagin: it is? oh shit! |
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| 10:24.20 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 10:24.24 | Rhoruns | ehh.. lol |
| 10:24.28 | MadCaddies | im running it on 686 |
| 10:24.31 | cast | niagin: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 10:24.32 | Rhoruns | same here |
| 10:24.32 | simonrvn | niagin: stop trolling... go read the website |
| 10:24.37 | niagin | heh. actually it's okay. i'm just curious if performance is based on compilation. |
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| 10:24.49 | wols_ | niagin: debian is the distro with the most supported platforms. certainly not i386 only |
| 10:24.59 | shnastybiznastic | my mind |
| 10:25.12 | MadCaddies | virusvirusvirus |
| 10:25.17 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 10:25.18 | wols_ | MadCaddies: fyi, 686 is not a platform. it's still i386 |
| 10:25.31 | simonrvn | it's a sub-arch, that's all |
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| 10:25.50 | niagin | wols_: it's compiled for 386 support. i'm just wondering if performance would be boosted if it were compiled for 686 or higher. |
| 10:25.55 | MadCaddies | alright... |
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| 10:26.17 | niagin | packages that is. |
| 10:26.30 | themill | niagin: not really. gentoo has proved that quite well |
| 10:26.36 | cast | right, i gotta actually do work otherwise no sleep for me :\ |
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| 10:26.44 | shnastybiznastic | niagin: there are tons of optimizations you can complie in for 686 and whatnot that only come into play if the users processor supports them |
| 10:26.50 | wols_ | niagin: it is not. debia is compiled for i486. also, important parts which make a difference if compiled cpu specific like kernel and libc6 have CPU specific versions |
| 10:26.55 | themill | !gentoosmite niagin |
| 10:27.05 | Bogus8 | like someone once said "you can't please all the people all the time, and the rest are just assholes" |
| 10:27.16 | Bogus8 | ok, no one really said that... but now you can qoute me on that ;) |
| 10:27.21 | Rhoruns | oh well. regardless of what you guys say, i'll make a few easy video tutorials for using linux, maybe i'll get a small following of noobs who were kind of like me and had no where tos tart :) |
| 10:27.21 | niagin | themill: thanks for clearing that up. |
| 10:28.22 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: you had two votes of "might be useful" |
| 10:28.28 | MadCaddies | Rhoruns: they preffer to annoy us |
| 10:28.30 | SlayerXP | niagin: that's not true also if you run 386 code on AMD chips. the processors are _expecting_ the code to be less than optimal and aggresively reorder. |
| 10:28.38 | shnastybiznastic | would it be more posix-y to mount my large volumes in /mnt or in /media? |
| 10:28.39 | Rhoruns | we'll see how it goes. :) |
| 10:28.45 | Supaplex | I spend less time recompiling anything, and actually using stuff. go figure. |
| 10:28.47 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 10:29.21 | wols_ | Supaplex: but, but, but, linux has no applications. so what else can you do the whole day than recompiling stuff? |
| 10:29.40 | xored | guys iam just about to build a new riad. Which filesystem would you choose for root ( raid1 ) 10000 (no highspec server, just a home machine) and for my raid1 data partition ( i would suggest ext for safty, very important data ) |
| 10:29.41 | wols_ | there is no photoshop after all! no office!onetwelve! |
| 10:29.50 | Bogus8 | shnastybiznastic: I mount where it's convienient for me to get to later |
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| 10:29.56 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 10:29.56 | dpkg | ext3 is probably the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs> and <ricerfs>. |
| 10:29.59 | garo | Did any ever experience this while trying to set quota for a user ? |
| 10:30.00 | garo | quotatool: Failed setting quota (generic): No such process |
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| 10:30.18 | xored | wols_ what i dont like on ext3 is the thing, what hapens if you loose data |
| 10:30.29 | Supaplex | wols_: I dunno, download THREE DVDS so I can reinstall debian. =:o) |
| 10:30.29 | Bogus8 | xored: ext3 |
| 10:30.31 | xored | wols_ you aaint have the filenames anymore, only inode umbers |
| 10:30.49 | xored | thats why i would suggest ext2 for my data driver or ? |
| 10:30.54 | wols_ | define "lose data" better please |
| 10:30.54 | xored | and ext3 for root |
| 10:30.56 | MadCaddies | shnastybiznastic: /media is for removable devices |
| 10:31.06 | xored | wols_ ok you delete data and try to recover |
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| 10:31.24 | Rhoruns | why not make a mirror drive/partition? |
| 10:31.25 | Bogus8 | then why the fuck did you ask? |
| 10:31.34 | shnastybiznastic | MadCaddies: thanks |
| 10:31.45 | xored | Bogus8: no need for such a kind of language ? |
| 10:31.53 | wols_ | ah. well, unless you have a online UPS, a journalled fs is always better than a traditional one |
| 10:32.01 | Bogus8 | xored: no need for questions when you already have your choice mad |
| 10:32.02 | Bogus8 | e |
| 10:32.03 | xored | wols_ iam just not sure, thats why i asked for an advice |
| 10:32.23 | Bogus8 | wols_: or if your UPS doesn't keep up with the time the power went out |
| 10:32.24 | xored | wols_: what is a online UPS ? |
| 10:32.33 | Rhoruns | hahah |
| 10:32.34 | wols_ | xored: and "Undelete" is a piss poor way of preventing data loss. use backups instead |
| 10:32.38 | Rhoruns | universal power supply |
| 10:32.38 | xored | wols_ oh got it, no i hav e none |
| 10:32.41 | Supaplex | !undelete |
| 10:32.42 | dpkg | methinks undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 10:32.57 | xored | wols_ its just a "in case" |
| 10:32.58 | wols_ | Rhoruns: uninterruptible |
| 10:33.10 | xored | wols_: what is bad on ext2 beside the performance ? |
| 10:33.11 | wols_ | xored: still piss poor and no basis to choose a fs |
| 10:33.17 | Bogus8 | look at Rhoruns helping out... watch out! |
| 10:33.20 | Bogus8 | the kids on fire! |
| 10:33.22 | Bogus8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.23 | Rhoruns | i'm sorry.. :( |
| 10:33.26 | wols_ | not journalled. performance is better than ext3 obviously |
| 10:33.38 | Supaplex | !undelete =~ s/doesn't/does *NOT*/ |
| 10:33.38 | dpkg | Supaplex: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
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| 10:33.48 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: you have to get rid of that insecurity man... I was paying you a compliment |
| 10:34.10 | Bogus8 | ah, never mind |
| 10:34.20 | Rhoruns | i shouldn't have said anything. i'm afraid of giving bad advice |
| 10:34.21 | Bogus8 | I miss read all that ...oops |
| 10:34.23 | xored | wols_: so in the end, you still would advise me to use ext3 ? |
| 10:34.28 | wols_ | xored: yes |
| 10:34.32 | Bogus8 | maybe I should go to bed given it's freakin 5:30am |
| 10:34.48 | xored | wols_: what are the exect reasons ( sorry i did not get them completely ) |
| 10:34.58 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 10:34.59 | dpkg | ext3 is probably the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs> and <ricerfs>. |
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| 10:35.13 | Rhoruns | !ext2 |
| 10:35.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext2 is the standard Linux filesystem, see also resize2fs, or a 2GB filesize For larger files you need a 2.4.x kernel, *and* a glibc which has been compiled against 2.4.x kernel headers. |
| 10:35.15 | Bogus8 | journaled, that's probably all you need ;) |
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| 10:35.31 | Supaplex | !special files |
| 10:35.31 | dpkg | they ride the short bus |
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| 10:35.45 | wols_ | the question should be what else would you want to use? ext3 is the most tested, it's reliable. works reasonably well as in nomral circumstances your harddisk will be the bottleneck not the fs, etc |
| 10:35.46 | Rhoruns | !penixstrike Bogus8 |
| 10:35.46 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Bogus8 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:36.02 | wols_ | does journalling well, has most support in linux in general, etc |
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| 10:36.42 | wols_ | there are special cases when you might want another fs and that's fine. but so far you haven't said anything to warrant those special fs |
| 10:36.45 | shnastybiznastic | noob question #3: Why come I no has fsck.reiserfs? |
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| 10:36.49 | Bogus8 | even has drivers for windows (I just found that) |
| 10:36.57 | wols_ | !tell shnastybiznastic about installit |
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| 10:36.59 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 10:37.01 | xored | wols_: ok got that. I would stick with linux fs anyway, no vfat or ntfs crap. My only "negative" point on ext3 is, the way i can recover deleted data. Thats why i thought using ext2 on a data drive |
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| 10:37.15 | Supaplex | shnastybiznastic: fsck.reiserfs is called fsck.reiserfs |
| 10:37.17 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 10:37.20 | Bogus8 | shnastybiznastic: you are using reiser? |
| 10:37.30 | xored | wols_: the server is nothing special. Its a file / application srver only for me, holding important company data on one drive |
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| 10:37.35 | shnastybiznastic | Bogus8: on my big drives, yeah |
| 10:37.35 | Supaplex | my bad, |
| 10:37.40 | wols_ | xored: chances are you lose more data due to powerouts or crashes than from accidentally deleting |
| 10:37.43 | xored | wols_: root and data drive are in a software raid |
| 10:37.53 | Supaplex | shnastybiznastic: fsck.reiserfs is called mkfs.reiserfs ;) That's what I meant the first time. :P |
| 10:38.04 | shnastybiznastic | Bogus8: at some point I'm going to switch to something less controversial/more up to date. |
| 10:38.10 | shnastybiznastic | Supaplex: gotcha |
| 10:38.20 | xored | wols_: ah thats your point. i could recover more data on a acc. delete with ext2 but loose more on a supply crash, right ? |
| 10:38.21 | wols_ | shnastybiznastic: for big files, I'd say xfs |
| 10:38.31 | wols_ | xored: yes |
| 10:38.32 | shnastybiznastic | wols_: that's one I'm looking at |
| 10:38.38 | Bogus8 | xored: there is chattr if you are really worried |
| 10:38.43 | wols_ | again, against accidental deletion, backups are your best bet |
| 10:38.52 | xored | wols_: ok then you got me, thats quite a good argument |
| 10:39.15 | wols_ | xored: and for things like your pr0n collection with those many big files you could look at something like xfs or jfs or such |
| 10:39.22 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: I was wondering... I stared at the two for a while trying to find a differnece |
| 10:39.38 | Supaplex | backups > libtrash+rm -i > prayer > fs choices |
| 10:39.45 | xored | wols_: thats a question for the other partitions :) |
| 10:40.13 | shnastybiznastic | hrmn, Supaplex, ate you sure that the reiserfs tool package is called mkfs.reiserfs? |
| 10:40.18 | wols_ | likewise for a maildir spool, reiser, etc. as I said: specialized filesystems for special needs |
| 10:40.20 | xored | wols_: for big files i would use jfs ? |
| 10:40.36 | wols_ | shnastybiznastic: reiserfsprogs it should be. Supaplex was joking |
| 10:40.38 | shnastybiznastic | on a related note, is there an apropos for packages? |
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| 10:40.57 | wols_ | xored: I'd use (and do use) xfs, some like jfs, etc |
| 10:40.58 | themill | shnastybiznastic: apt-cache search |
| 10:40.58 | xored | wols_: i know reiser is fast on small files, i got it on my laptop. but this server is not that high profile, beside the data drive is mostly tiny files |
| 10:41.06 | xored | wols_: ok |
| 10:41.07 | shnastybiznastic | wols_: gotcha. I thought it was a joke at first, but gentoo had some weird package names too |
| 10:41.11 | Supaplex | shnastybiznastic: I'm joshing you on that. our datacenters only use that fs for squid spools, because they reformat faster than any other, and faster than any fsck |
| 10:41.12 | themill | !tell shnastybiznasticabout search |
| 10:41.22 | themill | !tell shnastybiznastic about search |
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| 10:41.49 | shnastybiznastic | clever |
| 10:42.00 | xored | wols_: but oyu would not use reiser before ext3 on my data driver or ? |
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| 10:42.21 | Bogus8 | xored: I was reading the man file about chattr and it has some undelete flag... not sure how it would work on massive amounts of files but if your scared maybe look at that |
| 10:42.30 | wols_ | probably not. I used reiser before for my / and had actually no complaints. right now use ext3. none either |
| 10:42.41 | xored | Bogus8 is chattr a fs ? |
| 10:42.48 | Supaplex | xored: libtrash > chattr |
| 10:42.57 | Supaplex | xored: run 'whatis chattr' in your shell |
| 10:42.58 | Bogus8 | xored: command |
| 10:43.10 | xored | oh ok i will have a look in both |
| 10:43.12 | Rhoruns | what's the best way to get mysql? compile it from source? or get the package? |
| 10:43.13 | shnastybiznastic | I got one for the fella who wants to not delete his files by accident: Apply permissions properly and don't futz around as the administrator all the dang time. |
| 10:43.17 | xored | so i guess i stick with ext3 |
| 10:43.30 | Bogus8 | xored: if someone suggest something else as better they are probably right.. I was looking at it for a different reason so I have NO clue how it actually works |
| 10:43.31 | xored | Thank you for all your advices |
| 10:43.45 | xored | Bogus8: clear |
| 10:43.54 | wols_ | Rhoruns: always get the package |
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| 10:44.10 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 10:44.17 | shnastybiznastic | seriously, you are never going to realize you just deleted your porn collection till the next time you go to access it |
| 10:44.27 | wols_ | Rhoruns: next best way is to compile the package yourself if you really have a need |
| 10:44.35 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: using apt-get allows you to just run apt-get upgrade and updates everything you've used apt-get to install... quite nice |
| 10:44.36 | wols_ | never ever compile tarballs if you can help it |
| 10:44.38 | xored | any problems known for using ext3 on boot part wols_ ? |
| 10:45.01 | Rhoruns | Bogus8, ah ok then. apt-cache search for the version i want? |
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| 10:45.14 | wols_ | xored: considering it's the most used partition for that since... forever under linux: why do you think there are any? |
| 10:45.54 | Bogus8 | wols_: wouldn't backports be a best next step |
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| 10:46.13 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: right, or to find the exact name of the package |
| 10:46.18 | wols_ | Bogus8: depends on the problem there is, but yes |
| 10:46.18 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 10:46.31 | wols_ | Rhoruns: debian only has mysql5, nothing else |
| 10:46.32 | xored | wols_: iam not that long with linux, maybe 7 years..i alway that ext2 was the "old always supported one" |
| 10:46.44 | Rhoruns | that's good. i only want mysql 5.0 |
| 10:47.13 | wols_ | xored: you can save a few bytes by using ext2 (not journal). but I doubt it's worth it :) |
| 10:47.34 | shnastybiznastic | Journals kick ass. Use them. |
| 10:47.36 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: they pretty much have packages for almost everything... just search and find it |
| 10:47.46 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: where? |
| 10:48.25 | Supaplex | I got staples to pricematch compusa, but I didn't realise I grabed the U3 version :) |
| 10:48.27 | Bogus8 | man my legs are sore |
| 10:48.38 | Rhoruns | my butt is sore |
| 10:48.40 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 10:48.40 | Rhoruns | jk jk jk |
| 10:48.43 | Rhoruns | lol :D |
| 10:48.44 | xored | wols_ : i guess not :)# |
| 10:49.13 | Bogus8 | my legs are sore for almost the same reason, except I was the one doing the * ;) |
| 10:49.22 | Rhoruns | LOL |
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| 10:50.59 | xored | wols_: iam now on the step copping my old root part to the new one. i mounted the new drive under /mnt/newroot and now want to copy / but this would get into an evil recursio |
| 10:51.28 | xored | wols_: anyway to get arround this beside selected each dir on / seperatly and skipping /mnt |
| 10:51.42 | Rhoruns | couldn't find package: mysql |
| 10:51.44 | Rhoruns | yarg.. |
| 10:51.50 | wols_ | how big is the old / and how big is the new /? |
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| 10:53.19 | shnastybiznastic | alright, in slackware I could '/etc/rc.d/rc.samba restart' How do I do this in debian? |
| 10:53.24 | xored | wols_: old is smaller than the new one ( 6GB -> 10 GB ) |
| 10:53.39 | Supaplex | shnastybiznastic: /etc/init.d/foo or invoke-rc.d foo restart |
| 10:53.40 | koeien_ | /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 10:53.57 | shnastybiznastic | hot |
| 10:53.59 | wols_ | then dd won't work well. ghost 4 unix? booting from a live cd? |
| 10:54.25 | Supaplex | rsync |
| 10:54.54 | Supaplex | or dd anyway, and resize2fs |
| 10:55.11 | Supaplex | or tar, or dump+restore |
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| 10:56.02 | shnastybiznastic | alright, debian is now performing the same job as slackware. thanks guys |
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| 10:56.30 | Supaplex | shnastybiznastic: that'll be $499 |
| 10:56.31 | Bogus8 | wols_: can you use dd then use a partiton manager to resize it? |
| 10:56.40 | Bogus8 | I've been wondering about that |
| 10:56.47 | Supaplex | !resize2fs |
| 10:56.47 | shnastybiznastic | I thought this was debian, not red hat! |
| 10:56.56 | wols_ | Bogus8: you can but it's more error prone imho |
| 10:56.57 | shnastybiznastic | ;) |
| 10:56.57 | Supaplex | shnastybiznastic: psyche :P |
| 10:57.09 | Bogus8 | I use gparted on live cd's to get past the lba137 issue with win2k installs |
| 10:57.44 | Supaplex | !nuke win2k |
| 10:58.01 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: again, monkeys |
| 10:58.22 | Bogus8 | and my bosses won't let me put linux off shore becaues their spreadsheets don't print right |
| 10:58.24 | Rhoruns | where is sources.list at..? i forgot :) |
| 10:58.45 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: all configs are somewhere in /etc |
| 10:58.53 | Rhoruns | weird.. i didnt see it in there |
| 10:59.01 | Bogus8 | might be in a sub dir ;) |
| 10:59.05 | Rhoruns | ah |
| 10:59.06 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.14 | Rhoruns | yesss thx |
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| 10:59.41 | Bogus8 | I should've said most GLOBAL configs are there |
| 10:59.51 | Bogus8 | or system wide |
| 10:59.59 | Bogus8 | whatever terminology is kosher |
| 11:00.07 | Rhoruns | i need to add a good source because the ones i have apparently dont have mysql |
| 11:00.45 | wols_ | Rhoruns: pastebin your sources.list |
| 11:00.56 | Rhoruns | can i copy from putty? |
| 11:00.58 | wols_ | !info mysql-server |
| 11:01.01 | dpkg | mysql-server: (MySQL database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.45-1 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 11:01.20 | wols_ | Rhoruns: yes. simply select in putty. it will be in your clipboard automatically then |
| 11:01.46 | Rhoruns | ahh nice nice |
| 11:01.48 | xored | wols_: i copied root, wasnt that hard. Whats is out to do to copy boot. You would do this with dd ? |
| 11:02.05 | Rhoruns | http://www.wkccp.com/paste2/view.php?id=d929a4bc16 |
| 11:02.30 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: highlight is all you need to do to copy |
| 11:02.35 | Supaplex | Rhoruns: run 'whereis sources.list' :) |
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| 11:02.43 | Rhoruns | i already pasted my sources |
| 11:02.46 | Rhoruns | look at that link |
| 11:02.47 | Rhoruns | http://www.wkccp.com/paste2/view.php?id=d929a4bc16 |
| 11:02.50 | xored | wols_: i mean copieing the data wont be the part to watch out, its more the boot sector to be created. What iam trying to do is just copieing all the stuff from my old IDE to the new sata drives and than put out the old IDE ne |
| 11:02.53 | NicNac | what is a good torrent client? |
| 11:03.05 | wols_ | xored: no. you copy /boot and reinstall grub on the new harddisk |
| 11:03.13 | xored | wols_: ok. |
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| 11:03.18 | shnastybiznastic | exit |
| 11:03.24 | shnastybiznastic | whoopsie |
| 11:03.25 | Rhoruns | i like azureus, NicNac, but it may be a bit bloated by soem standards |
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| 11:03.32 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: did you edit your sources? |
| 11:03.40 | Rhoruns | no, i havent touched them at all |
| 11:03.44 | wols_ | Rhoruns: what country are you in? |
| 11:03.47 | Rhoruns | US |
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| 11:03.51 | Rhoruns | in Arizona |
| 11:03.57 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: you can actually run azureus with no GUI and use a web interface to interact with it |
| 11:03.58 | NicNac | Rhoruns, I have that at the moment but it just doesnt like working for some reason |
| 11:04.02 | xored | wols_: last question is quite important i guess. As the new drives are both SATA, with an SATA controller ( which worked just out of boot time right now ) i will get into problems when booting sata when the SATA driver is not build in the kernel, right ? |
| 11:04.04 | wols_ | Rhoruns: see the factoid. coutnry code for you is US obviously |
| 11:04.17 | wols_ | !tell Rhoruns about sources.list |
| 11:04.38 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: hmm, you should have checked off one of the sources during set up... not sure how you skipped that step |
| 11:04.42 | xored | NicNac: mldonkey. |
| 11:04.48 | Rhoruns | very strange. i selected that US link while installing Deb. |
| 11:04.49 | wols_ | Rhoruns: the should have a line like part |
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| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dmg2iso' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.24 | themill | !wb |
| 11:05.25 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.45 | Arafangion | If I want to run Visual Studio, and i do not want to dual-boot, is VMware my only choice? |
| 11:05.52 | wols_ | Arafangion: WINE |
| 11:05.57 | Arafangion | wols_: Hahahahaha! |
| 11:06.02 | themill | Arafangion: kvm or kqemu |
| 11:06.03 | Arafangion | wols_: (You're joking, right?) |
| 11:06.06 | Bogus8 | NicNac: deluge is reported to be very good |
| 11:06.08 | wols_ | Arafangion: no I am not |
| 11:06.19 | xored | wols_: you ARE joking ? |
| 11:06.21 | NicNac | i will give it a try |
| 11:06.29 | xored | wols_: vs in wine ? never ever with the debugger or ? |
| 11:06.34 | themill | wols_: I don't think VS works under wine. |
| 11:06.42 | Arafangion | I don't think VS would even *install* under wine. |
| 11:06.44 | wols_ | xored: no, not with the debugger true. but it'S still a IDE |
| 11:06.56 | xored | Arafangion: it will, but it will not debug |
| 11:07.05 | themill | wols_: isn't most of vs written in .net these days? |
| 11:07.10 | wols_ | MDM is kinda tricky |
| 11:07.19 | wols_ | themill: it is a .net app afaik, yes |
| 11:07.20 | Arafangion | So, it'll still compile, etc, just won't run the debugger? |
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| 11:07.28 | Bogus8 | don't make mistakes and you don't need a debugger, simple as that |
| 11:07.28 | Rhoruns | apt-update if i modify sources.list, right? |
| 11:07.33 | xored | wols_: also my borland builder c++ 5 did not work with the debuger, but the IDE worked |
| 11:07.36 | wols_ | Rhoruns: yes |
| 11:07.38 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 11:07.40 | Bogus8 | Rhoruns: apt-get update |
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| 11:07.48 | Bogus8 | or is apt-update a command |
| 11:08.06 | themill | wols_: so how do you install it? the wine people say you can't install the .net runtime under wine |
| 11:08.10 | Bogus8 | didn't think so |
| 11:08.11 | Rhoruns | Bogus8, nope lol |
| 11:08.27 | xored | wols_: should i use a newer kernel then 2.6.8 with my SATA controller now ( to get it running on boot ). I would also like to build a crypted fs...this might need a new kernel too, or ? |
| 11:08.55 | wols_ | xored: probably. as for the sata thing depends on the controller |
| 11:09.08 | wols_ | but I'd use a new one yes. sarge is long gone. we use etch now :) |
| 11:09.21 | xored | wols_: 2.6.8 is sarge ? |
| 11:09.39 | Arafangion | wols_: Well, if it installs, I'll take back my statement. |
| 11:09.43 | xored | wols_: i switched to etch long time ago |
| 11:09.44 | slapfaceware | can someone give me a sample sources.list for me to upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 11:09.59 | wols_ | xored: but you didn't switch your kernel |
| 11:10.03 | Rhoruns | dang... i can't understand why scrolling text is so sexy.. >:) |
| 11:10.04 | wols_ | current etch kernel is 2.6.18-5 |
| 11:10.13 | rsdvd | Hi all : is it save to use APT::Force-LoopBreak to update e2fsprogs, or am I likely to screw my ext2 filesystems? |
| 11:10.32 | wols_ | slapfaceware: replace your "woody" or "stable" with "sarge" in there |
| 11:10.44 | themill | slapfaceware: http://pastebin.ca/682119 |
| 11:10.46 | slapfaceware | i did,, with no success |
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| 11:10.56 | themill | slapfaceware: good to see you back again ;) |
| 11:11.05 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware about woody->sarge |
| 11:11.10 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 11:11.15 | Rhoruns | hi bintut |
| 11:11.39 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware about release notes |
| 11:11.54 | wols_ | Arafangion: novell is building a mono vresion. good luck using it and staying compatible with MS' version |
| 11:12.12 | Bogus8 | !tell me dirty little secrets |
| 11:12.21 | Bogus8 | ;) |
| 11:12.28 | Arafangion | wols_: That would sound about right. |
| 11:12.31 | wols_ | Arafangion: it's called moonlight and MS is providing help in form of specs and test suites |
| 11:12.49 | xored | wols_: strange, how that happend.. |
| 11:12.59 | wols_ | I'm sure it will be "specs" like "do the html renndering like IE4.0SP1".... |
| 11:13.06 | Supaplex | !say Bogus8 dirty little secrets are prorated at $90 per word. |
| 11:13.07 | dpkg | Bogus8 dirty little secrets are prorated at $90 per word. |
| 11:13.23 | xored | wols_: how would i upgrad to the new kernel ? any howtos ? |
| 11:13.28 | slapfaceware | themill, now give me pastebin to upgrade from sarge to etch :) |
| 11:13.32 | wols_ | xored: install it |
| 11:13.42 | wols_ | xored: apt-cache search linux-image |grep linux |
| 11:13.44 | themill | slapfaceware: just change the words with "sarge" to "etch" |
| 11:13.49 | slapfaceware | ok |
| 11:13.54 | themill | slapfaceware: make sure you read the release notes though. |
| 11:13.56 | slapfaceware | i'll spend alot time to config the box |
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| 11:14.07 | xored | wols_: iam used to gentoo with that kernel stuff, i just oick one and configure. Not used to upgrade kernels in debian |
| 11:14.12 | wols_ | slapfaceware: you should reboot with a new kernel before upgrading to etch that way at least |
| 11:14.19 | xored | wols_: ok |
| 11:14.28 | slapfaceware | ok |
| 11:14.31 | wols_ | xored: in debian it's even easier. just apt-get the kernel, done |
| 11:14.53 | xored | wols_: easier but not better :) |
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| 11:15.06 | wols_ | xored: or you can use kernel-package if you really want to. with crypted filesystems you might even have to depending what you chose |
| 11:15.15 | xored | wols_: i will have a lot of crap in my kernel that way :) and its an p III 500, he might die :) |
| 11:15.25 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: did themill mention relase notes? yea, release notes are important. :) |
| 11:15.28 | wols_ | xored: BS. |
| 11:15.51 | wols_ | xored: also, you can use kernel-package as I said. takes a kernel source and gives you a neato installable .deb kernel |
| 11:16.02 | xored | wols_: isnt the kernel shipped with debian configured to work on wide spreaded system and has a lot of things modular / built in ? |
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| 11:16.19 | Bogus8 | xored: I run a 866 with ZERO issues and rarely max it out unless doing something that uses max cpu no matter what cpu you got (tar or something similar) |
| 11:16.42 | Supaplex | Bogus8: FF :) |
| 11:16.44 | wols_ | xored: it does. modular mostly. and cause it's modular, it doesn't tax your hardware with unneded stuff. besides: all it'd need is some memory. not processing poewr |
| 11:16.57 | Arafangion | xored: These days performance is all dependant on memory. |
| 11:16.58 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: don't use FF and that box has no X on it |
| 11:17.02 | xored | Bogus8: yeah sure, the CPU is completly ok until you want get a touch with mysql / apache in a good use |
| 11:17.17 | slapfaceware | it's chinese |
| 11:17.28 | slapfaceware | i want to read english relnote |
| 11:17.38 | Arafangion | xored: Even then, you still want more memory. :) |
| 11:17.39 | xored | wols_: memory is my proble, 260MB, bad. But i want get a upgrade that easy with that old old SDram |
| 11:17.43 | Bogus8 | xored: use both.. not much in mysql rigth now but apache2 does it's job plenty of times and I do rsync back ups to it |
| 11:18.01 | wols_ | slapfaceware: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 11:18.12 | wols_ | xored: 260MB is plenty |
| 11:18.34 | slapfaceware | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ is chinese to me |
| 11:18.37 | wols_ | I run my mysql/php dev server on 256 without any swap and never go above 128MB used |
| 11:18.38 | slapfaceware | i want english |
| 11:18.39 | xored | Bogus8: iam running a dualcore opteron box for a good used mysql / apache server and believe me, even the duo is going to its limits sometimes ( tuned mysql / apache ofc ) |
| 11:18.59 | geo-rge | xored: 256mb is -plenty- |
| 11:19.06 | wols_ | slapfaceware: switch your browser prefered language. and: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/release-notes/index.en.html |
| 11:19.37 | wols_ | xored: this P3 isn't a production server is it? |
| 11:19.45 | wols_ | if not, 256MB should be fine |
| 11:19.56 | Bogus8 | xored: sure if you REALLY tax it, but if it's a 500mhz system I'm gonna assume that's not what your doing with it |
| 11:20.09 | Bogus8 | point is the "bloated" kernel isn't going to make your cpu shit |
| 11:20.10 | geo-rge | actually it does sound like he's using it for production... |
| 11:20.12 | wols_ | at 500MHz, the CPU is the bottlenet of course |
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| 11:20.23 | xored | Bogus8: sure, just a fileserver |
| 11:20.25 | Supaplex | bottlenet. heh |
| 11:20.40 | Supaplex | !typosmite wols_ |
| 11:20.42 | Supaplex | :) |
| 11:20.57 | geo-rge | xored: also mysql isn't very good at keeping itself (the data) stable |
| 11:21.11 | xored | geo-rge: not that sure with that |
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| 11:21.26 | Supaplex | Arafangion: winehq has their own repo. why not use that? |
| 11:21.33 | xored | geo-rge: with NOT mysam tables its ACID |
| 11:21.44 | Supaplex | own debian repo even. etch, lenny, sid. |
| 11:21.47 | geo-rge | xored: can you compose how the database checks integrity? |
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| 11:22.01 | bintut | i installed debian etch amd64 on my dell poweredge 1950.. i found this "hypervisor" thing in the bios setup. shall i turned it on? any advice? |
| 11:22.30 | wols_ | bintut: you running Xen or other paravirtualization stuff? |
| 11:22.48 | bintut | wols_: not yet but planning to run xen on top of debian |
| 11:22.54 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Because with wine I usualyl use the git tree, which I will stay on until my actual application works fine. :) |
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| 11:23.06 | geo-rge | xored: are user-definable constraints? |
| 11:23.14 | Supaplex | AfterDeath: they're releasing every 2 weeks now anyway |
| 11:23.29 | AfterDeath | .... |
| 11:23.32 | bintut | wols_: correct me if i'm wrong, this hypervisor on the bios of my dell server is on the hardware side.. so, whatever on top of it are considered as guest OS |
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| 11:23.33 | wols_ | bintut: running Xen on top of something else will be kinda difficult :P |
| 11:23.47 | AfterDeath | s/AfterDeath/Arafangion/ |
| 11:23.49 | geo-rge | Supaplex: same here |
| 11:23.56 | xored | geo-rge: there are a lot of that things in MYSQL, some by the database assistent ( you just have to choose a proper db type ) and a lot by keys / triggers and things like this on the user level |
| 11:25.04 | AfterDeath | eh |
| 11:25.08 | bintut | wols_: i'm confused, shall i use the dell's hypervisor or just use xen instead? |
| 11:25.13 | AfterDeath | irssi's tab completion rules |
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| 11:25.36 | geo-rge | but can you say, for example, that a particular field in one table must have a value that is also found in a column of another table? |
| 11:25.51 | Supaplex | this font makes Ar and Af look very similar |
| 11:25.52 | xored | wols_: ok i installed linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 11:26.00 | geo-rge | (in short, does mysql have foreigh-key constraint checking) |
| 11:26.00 | xored | wols_: but its not under /usr/src ? |
| 11:26.13 | xored | geo-rge: of course. |
| 11:26.22 | geo-rge | does it have transactions? |
| 11:26.30 | xored | geo-rge: all of that. Yes it hase |
| 11:26.40 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Now. :) Still, it's easier to just type "sh wine.sh" and let it do it's thing. :) (I wrote a tiny script that'd update it for me a while ago) |
| 11:26.43 | wols_ | xored: it's an IMAGE: it's a binary. it will be in /boot |
| 11:26.46 | geo-rge | hmm, that must be a recent development... |
| 11:26.55 | xored | wols_: oh..iam dump. |
| 11:26.57 | _uplinkd_ | i'm having an issue with wireless. for some reason i edit my essid in /etc/network/interfaces to be: TWOWIRE and i get ESSID: "T" in iwconfig. ideas? |
| 11:26.57 | xored | wols_: sorry |
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| 11:27.12 | geo-rge | does it have stored procedures? (if so, again, had to be recent) |
| 11:27.20 | xand | _uplinkd_: obviously wireless doesn't have wires, so that ssid is silly ;) |
| 11:27.32 | wols_ | xored: if you reoot now you will see it's already in your grub menu on bootup (if grub is working proberly) |
| 11:27.33 | _uplinkd_ | xand: ;) |
| 11:27.35 | xored | wols_: do you know wheather SATA is build in or modular? ( because of the boot on SATA drive ) |
| 11:27.48 | xored | geo-rge: mysql |
| 11:27.51 | xored | geo-rge: #mysql |
| 11:27.55 | wols_ | xored: why do you care. it's probably a module, but it's in the initrd |
| 11:28.01 | themill | geo-rge: yes to store procs too |
| 11:28.03 | xored | geo-rge: iam not a mysql guru at all, just a user |
| 11:28.19 | wols_ | geo-rge: mysql5 changed a lot to make it a real RDBMS |
| 11:28.41 | geo-rge | ok... so does it have inner and outer joins? |
| 11:28.42 | xored | wols_: oh....forgot that..thats the diffrent to my laptop gentoo system..there is no initrd. Fine, will have to boot up :) |
| 11:28.50 | _uplinkd_ | geo-rge: yes |
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| 11:29.05 | xored | geo-rge: really read the specs. it got inner and outer joins even with 3.x i think |
| 11:29.28 | Rhoruns | how do i create a MySQL user that can only read/write from one database? |
| 11:29.38 | geo-rge | what languages can be used to write stored procs? (also... can you have default arguments and named arguments?) |
| 11:29.44 | xored | Rhoruns: grant |
| 11:29.55 | Rhoruns | whats args do i use? |
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| 11:30.03 | themill | Rhoruns: use phpmyadmin to change the privs to do that. It's easier... ;) |
| 11:30.12 | Rhoruns | i dont have php installed |
| 11:30.26 | xored | Rhoruns: this aint #mysql. grant WHAT on WHATDB.WHATTABLE to myuser@host |
| 11:30.39 | Rhoruns | i'm sorry. |
| 11:30.40 | themill | geo-rge: no idea... perhaps look at the php website or ask in #mysql... ;) |
| 11:30.41 | xored | themill: no its not. |
| 11:31.08 | xored | themill: its like adding a user to a unix system by additing /etc/passwd shadow |
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| 11:31.11 | themill | xored: you also need to remove the global privs |
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| 11:31.27 | xored | themill: grant and revoke can do this all autom. |
| 11:31.27 | slapfaceware | i feel my system is going to be screwed up |
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| 11:32.00 | themill | xored: yes... you can do grant and revoke through phpmyadmin -- you don't edit the mysql db directly. eek! |
| 11:32.01 | geo-rge | slapfaceware: got any wisdom on what's going to happen to the stock market tomorrow? :) |
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| 11:32.14 | slapfaceware | going down |
| 11:32.20 | xored | themill: hehe sorry i get your wrong |
| 11:32.43 | themill | slapfaceware: or about which horse will win in the 3:30? |
| 11:33.08 | xored | guys what cryptfs do you advice me to use? i dont need a "boot time crypt fs"..i will only crypt a storage drive |
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| 11:33.23 | wols_ | !truecrypt |
| 11:33.23 | dpkg | i heard truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
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| 11:33.49 | wols_ | xored: it also works under windows |
| 11:33.51 | xored | wols_: does it have hidden volumes ? |
| 11:34.33 | xored | wols_: then i think i know it. It has 2 passwords, one for the real and one for the fake volume or? and the crypthfs is always "full" looking from the outer |
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| 11:35.14 | geo-rge | damn I just got done watching a movie on google... |
| 11:35.17 | geo-rge | WOW |
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| 11:36.53 | sky_ | hi! |
| 11:37.02 | CharlieKane | Has anyone much experience with free implementations of java ? |
| 11:37.17 | sky_ | I want to have a single window for browsing my files in nautilus |
| 11:37.28 | sky_ | how could i have it? |
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| 11:37.51 | CharlieKane | dunno, I avoid gnome ;) |
| 11:38.08 | abrotman | sky_: it's an option .. google for it .. should come up fairly quickly |
| 11:38.18 | simonrvn | sky_: nautilus setting |
| 11:38.26 | geo-rge | it starts out with the premise that Aaron Russo (produced among others "Trading Places" starring Eddie Murphy and Dan Ackroyd) is trying to find out if there is a law that makes workers liable for federal income tax... and the IRS refused to answer... and that's just the beginning |
| 11:38.28 | simonrvn | (obviously) |
| 11:38.37 | CharlieKane | I figure it should be in the menu's there somewhere |
| 11:38.45 | wols_ | geo-rge: link? |
| 11:39.05 | CharlieKane | Anyone got advice on the best free java implementation to install ? |
| 11:39.25 | simonrvn | sablevm is the most complete IIRC |
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| 11:39.53 | geo-rge | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 free moovee! |
| 11:40.10 | geo-rge | wols_: hold on.... |
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| 11:40.24 | abrotman | CharlieKane: ask #debian-java on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:40.34 | CharlieKane | ok |
| 11:40.47 | simonrvn | that's more useful :) |
| 11:40.51 | geo-rge | wols_, to your hat that is |
| 11:40.52 | garo | What's the name of that command that show's which programs are listening to which tcpports ? |
| 11:41.05 | geo-rge | netstat? |
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| 11:41.12 | garo | thanks |
| 11:41.19 | garo | that's the one i mean |
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| 11:42.11 | geo-rge | if youre an american citizen... watch that movie |
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| 11:42.25 | Ronin | geo-rge: why? |
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| 11:43.15 | geo-rge | Ronin: to find out why the IRS won't reply when you ask whether there is a law requiring people to file income tax returns on wages |
| 11:43.26 | Rhoruns | man, Putty is so fricken cool |
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| 11:43.43 | simonrvn | geo-rge: do we hav to? :P |
| 11:43.45 | simonrvn | e |
| 11:44.04 | geo-rge | whatever :P but at least I provided an opportunity |
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| 11:44.41 | geo-rge | actually |
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| 11:44.50 | geo-rge | yes, there is implied debian content: |
| 11:44.51 | Rhoruns | i' |
| 11:44.55 | SpooForBrains | hey all |
| 11:45.05 | geo-rge | when debian moved all their stuff out of the US, they did a damn good thing |
| 11:45.13 | Rhoruns | i'm getting my guns loaded and my food stocked for when the US collapses. |
| 11:45.27 | Rhoruns | i'm going to build myself a wind-poer generator and solar panel |
| 11:45.31 | SpooForBrains | I have a PCI IDE controller in a machine I'm planning to install debian in. With the two internal IDE buses, would that be HD(2,0) ? |
| 11:45.31 | Rhoruns | power* |
| 11:45.35 | simonrvn | could be one of 2 things. one, there is one, and they stunned at the stupidity of the question, or 2. there isn't, and they can't answer that because they'll blow the lid off it |
| 11:45.42 | simonrvn | they're* |
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| 11:46.13 | simonrvn | geo-rge: am i close? |
| 11:46.16 | wols_ | SpooForBrains: no |
| 11:46.32 | SpooForBrains | wols_: oh? |
| 11:46.35 | wols_ | SpooForBrains: it depends how many harrdisks you have in there. not controllers |
| 11:46.43 | geo-rge | simonrvn: but why they can't answer is very interesting |
| 11:46.55 | SpooForBrains | ah. Do other drives like CD ROMs count? |
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| 11:47.06 | Rhoruns | i wish the US was like other countries... we simply do not protest enough anymore |
| 11:47.21 | SpooForBrains | so if I have three hard drives, it would be HD(2,0)? |
| 11:47.23 | wols_ | SpooForBrains: not for (hdx,x) which is used by grub |
| 11:47.27 | SpooForBrains | is there any way of telling for sure? |
| 11:47.43 | wols_ | SpooForBrains: depends which harddisk comes first in BIOS (BIOS determines that order) |
| 11:47.45 | geo-rge | Rhoruns: watch the movie... |
| 11:47.45 | SpooForBrains | I have SuSE Linux installed on there at the mo |
| 11:47.56 | SpooForBrains | wols_: OK. I |
| 11:47.58 | Rhoruns | i already have geo-rge, many times. |
| 11:48.06 | geo-rge | you saw that thing? |
| 11:48.07 | simonrvn | oh foo, i'll go look, i can't think of a good reason |
| 11:48.12 | SpooForBrains | sorry. I'm assuming the PCI controller is going to be recognised after the two internal drives |
| 11:48.17 | _uplinkd_ | any idea why my essid would be truncated to the first character only? |
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| 11:48.30 | SpooForBrains | assuming the debian installer recognises the controller at all :) |
| 11:48.57 | _uplinkd_ | /etc/network/interfaces wireless-essid etc comes out as ESSID "e" in iwconfig |
| 11:48.58 | SpooForBrains | no, wait, hang on ... it would need to be visible to GRUB ... |
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| 11:49.29 | Rhoruns | i dont really like the guy who made the film, but a lot of the info is true. |
| 11:49.56 | geo-rge | Rhoruns: I loved trading places |
| 11:50.20 | Rhoruns | the movie? |
| 11:50.20 | Arafangion | How do I get nvidia working the debian way? |
| 11:50.23 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 11:50.24 | Arafangion | Because: |
| 11:50.25 | Rhoruns | yeah it's awesome |
| 11:50.31 | Arafangion | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:50.31 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 11:50.34 | Arafangion | Is out of date. |
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| 11:51.20 | Arafangion | Oh. |
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| 11:51.34 | xored | how do i get the sources for the kernel i use right now ( linux-image-2.6.18-5-686) i need them to compile truecrypt |
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| 11:52.09 | Arafangion | xored: The kernel headers aren't enough? |
| 11:52.11 | geo-rge | just get linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 11:52.37 | xored | Arafangion: headers are of the 2.6.8 version ( why ever this is so ) |
| 11:52.55 | Arafangion | xored: Because that's the version that glibc was compiled with. |
| 11:52.59 | geo-rge | xored: they have to be available |
| 11:53.05 | wols_ | xored: what krenel are you running right now? |
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| 11:53.13 | Arafangion | xored: Generally speaking, it is an error to use the headers for a kernel that glibc was not compiled against. |
| 11:53.42 | abrotman | xored: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 11:53.42 | xored | wols_: 2.6.18-4-686, but installed *5* after reboot |
| 11:54.19 | rich_ | Hi !Three keys (left, central and right click, just above the touchpad) on my recent IBM keyboard stopped working three months ago. Maybe after an update of the xorg-input-synaptics package. I purged it and reinstalled it, but nothing changed. What can I do? Thank you! |
| 11:54.32 | xored | Arafangion: cant follow you exactly. the kernel i use right now hase been compiled with gcc-4.1 and i use gcc-4.1 on the system right now |
| 11:54.52 | xored | Arafangion: thats the only thing i had to watch out according to the truecrpy howto |
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| 11:55.02 | abrotman | xored: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 11:55.04 | bcochofel | Hi Petrus_ |
| 11:55.13 | xored | abrotman: on my way |
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| 11:55.54 | Arafangion | xored: Yes, glibc is almost as important, and what glibc does is dependant on which kernel source _it_ was compiled against. |
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| 11:56.19 | xored | Arafangion: would bot cat /proc/version tell me that ? |
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| 11:56.43 | xstr | Hello, I am blacklisted from a ISP site tell me that my ip is 'blacklisted' but I cannot find the blacklisted site, any idea soft/tool/site to find if I am a blacklisted? |
| 11:56.46 | Arafangion | xored: No. |
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| 11:57.38 | xand | xstr: perhaps rblcheck |
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| 11:58.34 | DustyBin | ive got a chroot working perfectly what exists on my main system partition, however, when i copy the chroot to another partition it stops workingm, could this be due tp links to main system files what might exist in the chroot files? |
| 11:58.39 | xored | abrotman: according to truecrypt build.sh i need the sources too |
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| 11:59.06 | boo | anyone know the command to create a diff patch? |
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| 12:00.16 | xstr | thanks |
| 12:01.35 | abrotman | xored: whatever .. install what you want |
| 12:01.53 | rvsjoen | diff -Naur oldfile newfile >new-patch |
| 12:01.59 | xored | abrotman: i was wondering how to get them..but found them |
| 12:02.01 | geo-rge | DustyBin: you have to copy the metadata too, the ownerships, dates, permissions |
| 12:02.08 | abrotman | xored: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 12:02.24 | boo | oh silly me its diff |
| 12:02.28 | DustyBin | geo-rge: i copied the chroot with cp -R |
| 12:02.31 | rvsjoen | :) |
| 12:02.49 | xored | how do i copy files and preserve there permissions / ownerships ? |
| 12:02.56 | geo-rge | I never use cp myself when I do backups, I use tar because it works every time |
| 12:03.05 | abrotman | xored: man cp |
| 12:03.44 | geo-rge | I wish I trusted cp tho |
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| 12:04.01 | dalias | rsync is nice for that... |
| 12:04.06 | dalias | it can be used even locally |
| 12:04.43 | dalias | getting in the habit of using tar is bad because on non-gnu systems tar sometimes has lame file-length limitations and stuff that make it fail to copy right :( |
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| 12:05.57 | xored | somebody has exp with truecrypt and CPU usage ? i have a pIII 500 / 256 MB RAM and only want to crypt the storage drive, not root |
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| 12:07.14 | DustyBin | i copied the chroot files over to the other partition but now when i try and scp something to it it says |
| 12:07.18 | DustyBin | Couldn't open /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 12:07.34 | DustyBin | but the permissions are still the same |
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| 12:09.12 | DustyBin | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-09-05 12:49 null <-- chroot on different partition |
| 12:09.40 | DustyBin | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-09-05 11:14 null <-- chroot what works on system partition |
| 12:09.54 | DustyBin | i see |
| 12:09.57 | DustyBin | rw |
| 12:09.59 | DustyBin | doh |
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| 12:13.39 | xored | when i try to install grub i get : |
| 12:13.41 | xored | grub-install /dev/sda :( |
| 12:13.41 | xored | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 12:14.37 | abrotman | do you have an sda ? |
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| 12:14.42 | xored | iam rigth now preparing a new SATA drive to exchange my old IDE drive, which is holding etch etc.. i copied / and /boot ( mounted the new boot ofc ) and now trying to install grub on the new drive ( still booted from the old ) |
| 12:14.49 | a-atwood | join #ubuntu |
| 12:15.01 | L0cKn | lol |
| 12:15.04 | xored | abrotman: oh my goodnes..a type..sorry for bothering |
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| 12:15.27 | microtux | hi everybody |
| 12:15.38 | xored | abrotman: hmm, no it was none. i have a sda1 yes |
| 12:15.53 | abrotman | it should be sda then |
| 12:16.03 | techbie | DustyBin: /dev/null is a device file , use mknod to create it on the other system . |
| 12:16.06 | xored | abrotman: used that ? |
| 12:16.41 | microtux | trying to use the parport and linux answers that the dev is busy. as know, i have no other software that uses parport. any help? |
| 12:20.11 | xored | abrotman: any idea ? i chrooted to the new drive, edited fstab to match the new setup but still get the same error. this SATA drive is plugged into an SATA controller, could that be a problem ? |
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| 12:21.30 | Arafangion | How should I remove obsolete modules? |
| 12:21.33 | Arafangion | I've run out of space in /lib |
| 12:22.01 | xored | Arafangion: modules arent that big. |
| 12:22.17 | Arafangion | xored: says who? |
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| 12:22.52 | xored | i dont know how much space you need, but 50MB wont be what you gonna for or ? |
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| 12:22.59 | Arafangion | xored: It is, actually. |
| 12:23.02 | Aleksej | hi |
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| 12:23.13 | Arafangion | xored: And I can get rid of 100MB easily, just need to know the magical incantation to do so. |
| 12:23.25 | DavidProck1981 | what version of azureus is in testing / unstable, which ever it is called |
| 12:23.33 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: packages.debian.org |
| 12:23.43 | abrotman | xored: is it a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 12:23.56 | xored | abrotman: yes |
| 12:23.56 | abrotman | Arafangion: you could remove obsolete kernels ? |
| 12:24.02 | DavidProck1981 | what is hte most bleeding edge distro of debian |
| 12:24.02 | abrotman | xored: should be sda then |
| 12:24.10 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about releases |
| 12:24.19 | xored | abrotman: i just ran grub-install --recheck /dev/sda and i got |
| 12:24.22 | Aleksej | Lenny. Today, some key combinations began to repeat sometimes. Before yesterday I've changed the nvidia driver to nv, and this didn't happen until today. This did happen, IIRC, when I was trying to use a via driver long ago. |
| 12:24.31 | Aleksej | Any idea? |
| 12:24.45 | xored | abrotman: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 12:24.50 | semprix | !releases |
| 12:24.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | that's a bit different |
| 12:24.55 | bintut | hello all.. i hope someone will answer me this time.. what's the difference between: xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 over xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-amd64 AND linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 over linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-amd64 |
| 12:24.55 | abrotman | semprix: msg the bot |
| 12:24.56 | bintut | ? |
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| 12:25.06 | geo-rge | !msg the bot |
| 12:25.06 | dpkg | i heard msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 12:25.27 | microtux | abrotman, trying to use the parport and linux answers that the dev is busy. as know, i have no other software that uses parport. any help? |
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| 12:27.04 | abrotman | microtux: maybe fuser or lsof would help |
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| 12:27.17 | Arafangion | bintut: Obviously, one uses vserver, and the other doesn't. |
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| 12:29.00 | Aleksej | One of the key combinations repeating is Ctrl-Alt-arrows |
| 12:29.36 | Aleksej | Unlike back then with via, it only happens sometimes. |
| 12:29.36 | bintut | Arafangion: what's a vserver then? from the output of 'apt-cache show', they both have the same description |
| 12:30.19 | Aleksej | With via, it was Enter, escape, and probably many others, maybe even all. |
| 12:30.58 | Arafangion | bintut: Another method of running virtual servers. |
| 12:31.41 | efaistos | does the i386 debian version can be installed on macbook ? |
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| 12:32.46 | StarkD | My HP Deskjet 3650 printer doesn't work in Debian. There are no complaints during install but the paper comes out blank and it prints correctly using Windoze. Any ideas? I've been surfing for solutions since yesterday |
| 12:32.53 | stefan__ | how do I give access to someone to run X ? |
| 12:32.58 | spx2 | :D |
| 12:33.00 | spx2 | ? |
| 12:33.02 | xand | StarkD: perhaps try a different driver |
| 12:33.05 | spx2 | I hit like startx |
| 12:33.13 | spx2 | and I get like "Permission bla bla bla" |
| 12:33.14 | spx2 | wtf ? |
| 12:33.22 | spx2 | what do I do ? |
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| 12:33.35 | cast | there is a video group spx2, wonder what that does |
| 12:33.46 | StarkD | xand: there is only one to choose when "adding printer" |
| 12:33.59 | StarkD | xand: for 3650 that is |
| 12:34.03 | xand | I see |
| 12:34.15 | spx2 | cast how do I put someone in a group ? |
| 12:34.25 | spx2 | cast I'm totally n00b and I don't know |
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| 12:34.36 | cast | addgroup user group |
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| 12:35.05 | Aleksej | adduser user group |
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| 12:35.40 | irc | That did the trick. :) |
| 12:35.43 | Aleksej | Or does addgroup work, too? |
| 12:36.22 | cast | Aleksej: oh right...i'm wrong. you're right...i went man addgroup and didn't notice it was the same manpage for adduser |
| 12:36.32 | Aleksej | ahh ok |
| 12:36.43 | DustyBin | ive created a folder and would like all users to write inside it but not have the priveledge of deleting the actual directory, what permissions woud i use? |
| 12:36.58 | Aleksej | DustyBin: make its parent readonly? |
| 12:37.03 | Arafangion | DustyBin: 666 |
| 12:37.19 | MadCaddies | !apropos |
| 12:37.19 | dpkg | apropos is, like, a way to find man pages all around, and to find the program you are looking for, you can man -k <thingie> or apropos <thingie> and it will tell you the man items that match your <thingie> |
| 12:37.22 | DustyBin | but i would like the users to be able to write inside the foler |
| 12:37.29 | DustyBin | but not delete it |
| 12:37.39 | Arafangion | DustyBin: Do what Aleksej and I said. |
| 12:38.07 | DustyBin | chdrw-rw-rw- 2 root root 4096 2007-09-05 13:34 Folder |
| 12:38.09 | Arafangion | DustyBin: By 'it', we have assumed that you mean the folder itself. |
| 12:38.19 | DustyBin | this would mean that any user could still delete it |
| 12:38.34 | Arafangion | DustyBin: Do they have write access to teh parent? |
| 12:38.51 | Aleksej | DustyBin: "parent" is the dir in which this dir is |
| 12:38.51 | jelly-home | Arafangion: directories need to have eXecutable permissions too. |
| 12:39.00 | DustyBin | the paret looks like this |
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| 12:39.11 | DustyBin | drwxrwxrwx 8 root root 4096 2007-09-05 13:34 user |
| 12:39.11 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Oh, indeed, I keep forgetting that. |
| 12:39.25 | Arafangion | DustyBin: Consider changing the parent's access. :) |
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| 12:39.33 | cast | mimic /tmps perms :) |
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| 12:39.46 | jelly-home | +1 for 1777, too |
| 12:39.54 | Arafangion | DustyBin: Make the parent 755, and the directory itself 777. |
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| 12:40.55 | Arafangion | Where can I get glx-gears? |
| 12:41.02 | klikklak | can someone ping klikklak.homelinux.org and tell me the ip? .. I'm trying to get dyndns to work (on my router) |
| 12:41.09 | Aleksej | Arafangion: glxgears |
| 12:41.23 | Arafangion | Aleksej: I kept putting a hyphen in there! No wonder I couldn't find it. |
| 12:41.23 | DustyBin | that works Arafangion, thank you :D |
| 12:41.23 | cast | mesa-utils: usr/bin/glxgears |
| 12:41.24 | Aleksej | Arafangion: mesa-utils package |
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| 12:41.44 | DavidProck1981 | is ther a cd image u can boot from that builds every thing from source |
| 12:41.55 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:41.56 | DavidProck1981 | for hte install |
| 12:41.58 | cast | DavidProck1981: fuck no. |
| 12:42.00 | Arafangion | DavidProck1981: What would be the purpose of that? |
| 12:42.05 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: try #gentoo |
| 12:42.18 | DavidProck1981 | what about gentoo |
| 12:42.22 | Aleksej | Arafangion: optimized Debian? |
| 12:42.49 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: try #gentoo |
| 12:42.58 | MadCaddies | how do i list different levels availables for a man page? |
| 12:42.58 | Arafangion | Aleksej: You know, ever since I found out that my arm-based palm pda actually only supports m68k apps, I gave up on such optimization. :) |
| 12:42.58 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know any thing about gentoo |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: FFS .. ASK #GENTOO ABOUT GENTOO |
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| 12:43.26 | xored | how to display my current device mappings ? |
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| 12:43.42 | xored | to get, which hdx,x i need for grub |
| 12:43.43 | Arafangion | glxgears runs... Yay! I must have opengl working. :) |
| 12:43.48 | klikklak | ahh, never mind, got it to work already |
| 12:44.01 | jelly-home | DustyBin, Arafangion: info coreutils 'Mode Structure' (or man chmod) ... to choose whether you want the +t on the directory or not |
| 12:44.16 | MadCaddies | how do i list different levels availables for a man page? |
| 12:44.45 | Aleksej | Arafangion: try a game... glxgears is almost not a real OpenGL app :( |
| 12:44.47 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: For man page 3, do man 3 <subject> |
| 12:44.52 | abrotman | MadCaddies: you mean the sections ? |
| 12:45.04 | Arafangion | Aleksej: Heh, it's also compiling wine. ;) |
| 12:45.16 | Arafangion | Aleksej: Plus, glxinfo confirms it. :) |
| 12:45.31 | Aleksej | Arafangion: well, I hope you are not using a Via S3 UniChrome Pro :) |
| 12:45.35 | abrotman | MadCaddies: 'man man' lists the sections |
| 12:45.59 | Aleksej | Arafangion: because on that, glxgears does work, but most anything else hangs X. |
| 12:46.04 | Arafangion | Aleksej: Found an nvidia under my bed, so I'm using it. :) |
| 12:46.08 | Aleksej | :) |
| 12:46.10 | DustyBin | if a user comes into my chroot they could also view files like: |
| 12:46.12 | Arafangion | Aleksej: Oh, nice. |
| 12:46.14 | DustyBin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1422 2007-09-05 12:49 passwd |
| 12:46.32 | DustyBin | is one allow to turn off read by groups and users for files like passwd |
| 12:46.42 | Arafangion | DustyBin: In a chroot, you can do what the hell you want. |
| 12:46.55 | DustyBin | but it might stop working |
| 12:46.57 | DustyBin | ill try it |
| 12:46.58 | tarzeau | can i run depmod -a for another kernel (in a chroot)? |
| 12:47.12 | Arafangion | DustyBin: That's what backups are for. |
| 12:47.14 | tarzeau | i've got an etch chroot on a sarge machine: depmod: Can't open /lib/modules/2.4.33-pre1/modules.dep for writing |
| 12:47.47 | MadCaddies | abrotman, Arafangion: but how do i know wich ones are available? |
| 12:48.05 | geo-rge | DustyBin: and backups are for you if you have data you want to save as you consider doing something moreorless dangerous |
| 12:48.10 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: man man :) |
| 12:48.27 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: (Hint: The -k argument - which is the same as using apropos, anyway) |
| 12:48.36 | tosh| | anyone know of a good tool that can give me an oversite of statistics for all virtual hosts running on a webserver with comparisons in bandwidth, amount of hits, etc? |
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| 12:48.52 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 12:48.53 | tosh| | awstats can do it individually but not a real oversight of things |
| 12:49.01 | gypsymauro | I've a proc of ~ 1 gb it's normal? |
| 12:49.12 | gypsymauro | a /proc directory |
| 12:49.14 | MadCaddies | Arafangion: i know... i guess u ppl didnt get what im trying to say, sorry |
| 12:49.36 | cast | gypsymauro: 4.0T/proc |
| 12:50.02 | DustyBin | i tried changing the permission of the passwd + group to chmod 600 but when i log into the chroot the users + groups are displayed as 0 0 so that means passwd + group must be read by at least the user logging into the shell, i thought maybe it was a root only thing |
| 12:50.04 | themill | MadCaddies: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:50.07 | boo | tosh|, you can sign up for google analytic |
| 12:50.10 | xored | iam rigth now preparing a new SATA drive to exchange my old IDE drive, which is holding etch etc.. i copied / and /boot ( mounted the new boot ofc ) and now trying to install grub on the new drive ( still booted from the old ). I check /boot/grub/device.map, customised the menu.lst to use the right hdx,x ( the new one ) but is still fail on install "could not read stage 1" |
| 12:50.20 | cast | ahh, i think i maxed out du -sh, -r-------- 1 root root 256T 2007-09-05 22:20 /proc/kcore |
| 12:51.12 | MadCaddies | themill: i want to know what are the sections available for each command... i mean, if i want `man ls`, which sections are available for this command?! |
| 12:51.22 | DustyBin | i guess it doesnt matter if a user can read system chroot files, as long as they cannot write to them |
| 12:51.41 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Scroll to the bottom, and read the "see also" part? |
| 12:51.56 | MadCaddies | lol... i know |
| 12:52.09 | themill | MadCaddies: apropos ls will tell you (but will also tell you lots of other crap too.... apropos ls | grep ^ls) |
| 12:52.10 | MadCaddies | but there is not a better way? |
| 12:52.38 | themill | ls being a bad example for this.... |
| 12:52.41 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Define "better". |
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| 12:53.06 | themill | MadCaddies: apropos lsusb |
| 12:53.33 | Arafangion | I think I know what MadCaddies wants!@ |
| 12:53.46 | themill | do tell ;) |
| 12:53.48 | Arafangion | He wants a nice clickable list of contents, with hyperlinks to other documents! |
| 12:54.06 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 12:54.11 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Close? |
| 12:54.38 | tosh| | boo but that's only going to work for one particular virtual host |
| 12:54.41 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Man does not have a /concept/ of hyperlinks. Every document about every particular program is displayed in isolation. |
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| 12:54.52 | MadCaddies | i want a list of sections that are avaiable for each command. i dont want to open a man to see what are the sections for that command... |
| 12:55.06 | MadCaddies | but anyway, i guess its not possbile :P |
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| 12:55.23 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Again, there's no concept of it. :) |
| 12:55.27 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Not for man, anyway. |
| 12:55.47 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: You may be after info, but that's a much bigger program. |
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| 12:56.23 | MadCaddies | dont worry about that, thanks for the help :) |
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| 12:57.17 | Arafangion | Aleksej: It's unbelievable how much faster this nvidia card is. :) |
| 12:57.21 | boo | tosh|, hmm i supposed you can set up each account for each virtual host, but yeh i dont know the method of running your own statistic collection other than using google analytic |
| 12:57.28 | MadCaddies | i guess whatis does that |
| 12:57.30 | MadCaddies | :P |
| 12:58.01 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Looks like it displays exactly the same info as apropos. |
| 12:58.22 | MadCaddies | sadly not, apropos displays a lot os garbage :P |
| 12:58.50 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: apropos shows you teh results of a search. :) |
| 12:58.58 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: Why are you so interested in whatis, anyway? |
| 12:59.00 | Aleksej | Arafangion: I've changed the driver to "nv" again recently, could only see how slow a game I've downloaded yesterday was ;)) |
| 12:59.09 | Arafangion | Why not just... open the man page? |
| 12:59.17 | Arafangion | Aleksej: I don't play games on this box. |
| 12:59.23 | Aleksej | And now a key-repeating bug, but I don't think the driver is to blame, because it didn't happen for 2 days. |
| 12:59.27 | geo-rge | whatis whatis? |
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| 13:00.03 | MadCaddies | Arafangion: apropos will look in every man for the regular expression... |
| 13:00.14 | Aleksej | Arafangion: I've bought the GF6600LE before the New Year, after using the crappy via IGP, then regretted that I didn't choose 6200 anyway ;) |
| 13:00.17 | MadCaddies | whatis you show what the command is intented for |
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| 13:00.24 | aep | greetings |
| 13:00.28 | Aleksej | ...but if that was also XFX, that 6200 could burn then |
| 13:00.31 | MadCaddies | and also the manpages available |
| 13:00.32 | SpooForBrains | Anyone in here ever done a debian installation from hard disk? |
| 13:00.32 | MadCaddies | :) |
| 13:00.35 | tarzeau | where can i check /scripts/nfs-premount ? http://bzr.debian.org/kernel/initramfs-tools-bzrbak/scripts/nfs |
| 13:00.46 | Arafangion | Aleksej: Guess what I was using before :) |
| 13:01.00 | Aleksej | Arafangion: via?? |
| 13:01.05 | aep | i installed the exim package but i miss the "mail" command. the sendmail in it just hangs and exits after a time complaining it should not be called directly |
| 13:01.09 | Arafangion | Aleksej: No. |
| 13:01.14 | Aleksej | Arafangion: GF6200? |
| 13:01.15 | aep | so how am i suposed to send mails in debian? |
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| 13:01.18 | petemc | aep: mailx |
| 13:01.25 | MadCaddies | !whatis |
| 13:01.25 | dpkg | [is] the country code for iceland |
| 13:01.29 | Arafangion | Aleksej: Whatever the hell it was, it was onboard, and would only run in vesa mode. ;) |
| 13:01.33 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 13:01.33 | Aleksej | :) |
| 13:01.36 | petemc | aep: use a mail user agent |
| 13:01.52 | geo-rge | aep: are you supposed to send mails in debian? |
| 13:01.56 | aep | petemc: aha thank you. |
| 13:01.59 | Aleksej | Arafangion: yeah, that one didn't crash in vesa mode ;) |
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| 13:02.09 | MadCaddies | !man -f |
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| 13:02.32 | abrotman | MadCaddies: stop messing with the bot |
| 13:03.04 | MadCaddies | im looking for answers, i care about what he tells me |
| 13:03.06 | MadCaddies | :D |
| 13:03.14 | abrotman | so /msg dpkg foo |
| 13:03.26 | abrotman | MadCaddies: and i already gave you your answer |
| 13:03.37 | MadCaddies | no, u didnt. |
| 13:03.41 | abrotman | yes i did |
| 13:03.45 | abrotman | you asked how to know the sections .. man man |
| 13:03.56 | maxamillion | abrotman: you're a machine ... do you ever sleep? |
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| 13:04.01 | MadCaddies | no, you got it wrong... |
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| 13:04.07 | MadCaddies | whatever... its pointless |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman | then you asked the wrong question .. not my problem |
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| 13:04.13 | tarzeau | why would nfs-premount fail with error code 13? |
| 13:04.14 | abrotman | maxamillion: yes |
| 13:04.21 | aep | petemc: hm the mail command does the same as sendmail does. hang and quit without any warning. does not deliver mail, neitehr does amnything show up in the exim log |
| 13:04.33 | geo-rge | MadCaddies: so you didn't ask for the sections? |
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| 13:04.38 | Arafangion | maxamillion: No he doesn't. |
| 13:04.39 | aep | oh wait now i get something |
| 13:04.42 | resistance | hey |
| 13:04.44 | MadCaddies | thats why he is so angry... lol |
| 13:04.47 | maxamillion | Arafangion: :P |
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| 13:04.54 | MadCaddies | must be a lot of coffee too |
| 13:04.55 | MadCaddies | :D |
| 13:05.02 | abrotman | yeah .. i'm angry because you can't ask a question .. you got it .. |
| 13:05.07 | Arafangion | MadCaddies: I don't think he drinks coffee. |
| 13:05.11 | MadCaddies | geo-rge: i didnt ask what each sections means :) |
| 13:05.12 | abrotman | and no .. i don't drink any coffee at all |
| 13:05.21 | Arafangion | abrotman: Good guess. :) |
| 13:05.26 | maxamillion | Arafangion: i was up almost all night last night doing homework and here i am not many hours later the next morning and he's still here |
| 13:05.33 | petemc | aep: there should definately be something in the exim logs |
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| 13:05.41 | maxamillion | abrotman: bawls, redbull, etc? |
| 13:05.44 | abrotman | nope |
| 13:05.45 | petemc | aep: which log are you looking at? |
| 13:05.55 | aep | petemc: yes i get an error from the remote smtp. that's fine. |
| 13:05.57 | aep | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.03 | resistance | my debian servers harddrive is filling up, yesterday, i had it down to 20 gig use, now it's back up to 72 gig, filling my hd 100%, what could be doing this. how can i find out what is taking up all the sace? |
| 13:06.07 | geo-rge | MadCaddies: maybe you should just spend some time with linux... one good thing to do, is pick three items per day from /usr/bin and read the man page of those items |
| 13:06.17 | aep | althought i wonder why the mail command takes ages to quit |
| 13:06.19 | abrotman | resistance: /var/log/ maybe ? |
| 13:06.47 | aep | that could break the application here. it relies on sendmail putting the mail in the queue and exit |
| 13:06.49 | MadCaddies | geo-rge: maybe u should do that, because u couldnt answer my question... lol |
| 13:06.54 | geo-rge | MadCaddies: it's pretty obvious you're trying to get people either to read you something or to be upset |
| 13:06.55 | abrotman | resistance: cd / && ls | xargs du -sk |
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| 13:07.12 | abrotman | MadCaddies: are you using ubuntu ? |
| 13:07.15 | geo-rge | MadCaddies: there is a difference between CAN not |
| 13:07.20 | geo-rge | and WILL NOT |
| 13:07.27 | resistance | syslog.0 is 26,972,147,712 large |
| 13:07.35 | abrotman | resistance: that's kind of big |
| 13:07.43 | geo-rge | MadCaddies: and I WILL NOT. |
| 13:07.43 | resistance | why is it that big? |
| 13:07.45 | MadCaddies | i dont you need to, not anymore... lol |
| 13:07.50 | abrotman | MadCaddies: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:08.09 | geo-rge | because you are not broken, you can learn for yourself |
| 13:08.11 | MadCaddies | im not using ubuntu. and its not related to ubuntu |
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| 13:08.26 | abrotman | MadCaddies: which version of debian is it ? |
| 13:08.35 | MadCaddies | etch 4.0 |
| 13:08.37 | MadCaddies | ... |
| 13:08.55 | abrotman | ,,, |
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| 13:09.03 | MadCaddies | lol |
| 13:09.12 | MadCaddies | so... whats the point of this? |
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| 13:09.19 | abrotman | ask a better question |
| 13:09.32 | MadCaddies | stop being a b**** |
| 13:09.43 | abrotman | you can say bitch .. we'll live |
| 13:09.56 | themill | MadCaddies: we still can't work out what you want to know... please try reformulating your question in another way. |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | well .. except asg .. he cries every time he hears the word |
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| 13:10.35 | MadCaddies | themill: don't worry, thanks... |
| 13:10.47 | themill | MadCaddies: do you want something like this: zgrep .SH /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz |
| 13:10.52 | MadCaddies | i guess i found it out (just guess) :P |
| 13:12.00 | Scurz | hello |
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| 13:12.07 | MadCaddies | themill: see: whatis man |
| 13:12.24 | abrotman | found in ... man man ... |
| 13:12.25 | MadCaddies | man (1) - an interface to the on-line reference manuals |
| 13:12.25 | MadCaddies | man (7) - macros to format man pages |
| 13:12.33 | abrotman | MadCaddies: man -k <term> |
| 13:12.45 | MadCaddies | abrotman: no, man -f man |
| 13:12.52 | MadCaddies | thats what i wanted :) |
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| 13:13.31 | abrotman | and had you worded your original question correctly .. you'd have gotten that :) |
| 13:13.31 | Arafangion | !backports |
| 13:13.32 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 13:13.51 | Scurz | How can I test my dvd reader ? (like smart for hard disks) |
| 13:13.54 | themill | MadCaddies: we told you that to begin with... and you said you didn't want that.... |
| 13:14.06 | abrotman | i told him man man :) |
| 13:14.19 | MadCaddies | what i wanted is: whatis |
| 13:14.26 | themill | man, some people are hard to please, man |
| 13:14.32 | MadCaddies | or man -f, and not man man |
| 13:14.48 | Laser | http://www.urinelle.biz/html/en/Howtouse.shtml |
| 13:14.53 | themill | MadCaddies: we are in the habit of helping people help themselves. |
| 13:15.32 | themill | !spoonfeeding |
| 13:15.32 | dpkg | Spoon-feed a newbie for a day and he will come back with more stupid questions. Teach him how to help himself and he will come back with answers. |
| 13:15.51 | Arafangion | Hmm, aptitude is NOT equivalent to apt-get |
| 13:15.59 | Arafangion | aptitude build-dep doesn't work. |
| 13:16.09 | themill | MadCaddies: man man was where *you* could find the answer. |
| 13:16.18 | rich_ | Hi! Three keys on my IBM touchpad keyboard stop working a couple minutes after booting and opening a KDE session. They are the three mouse buttons above the touchpad. I tried with and without synaptics and it is the same. |
| 13:16.30 | Scurz | no idea for my question? |
| 13:17.00 | labmicro4 | i`m trying to configure an NIS client on Ubuntu, and happens this error in console: YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound. |
| 13:17.00 | abrotman | Scurz: put a disc in it and read from it |
| 13:17.07 | abrotman | labmicro4: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:17.16 | karmatronic | back |
| 13:17.52 | garo | If root adds a user to a specific group, can this user remove him/herself from the group ? |
| 13:17.52 | labmicro4 | abrotman, I post my question here, cause the server is debian |
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| 13:18.26 | abrotman | labmicro4: do other clients work ? |
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| 13:19.10 | taime1 | After upgrading to new nvidia driver (upgraded card), i have one resolution, 800x600. problem is unaffected by xorg.conf, nvidia-settings will not allow change in res, and reconfiguring x is usless. What Am I Doing Wrong? |
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| 13:20.40 | wols_ | taime1: check your xorg.log and your xorg.conf |
| 13:20.41 | Arafangion | Why does apt-get say "can't check, signature not found"? |
| 13:20.42 | Scurz | abrotman: I would like to test it, is it possible ? Apart from put a disc. |
| 13:21.02 | abrotman | how would you test a DVD drive without a disc in the drive ? |
| 13:21.05 | themill | !tell Arafangion about no public key |
| 13:21.10 | Arafangion | themill: Thanks. |
| 13:21.18 | Arafangion | themill: I was trying "signature" :) |
| 13:21.25 | Scurz | abrotman: Does it exist a smartools per example? |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | it won't have any media to read |
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| 13:21.54 | Arafangion | themill: Hmm, does lenny have such keys? |
| 13:22.09 | Arafangion | themill: I'm backporting a package to etch. (samba) |
| 13:22.13 | wols_ | Arafangion: even etch does |
| 13:22.15 | Scurz | abrotman: oh ok, and after? |
| 13:22.29 | themill | Arafangion: package debian-archive-keyring |
| 13:22.29 | DustyBin | at long last |
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| 13:22.33 | Arafangion | themill: Thanks. |
| 13:22.46 | DustyBin | i have now removed VSFTPD and replaced it with a chrooted SFTP system |
| 13:22.46 | wols_ | Arafangion: if you are backporting, why would you use apt-get and why would you have any keys? |
| 13:23.20 | wols_ | Scurz: ~ |
| 13:23.23 | wols_ | Scurz: http://qpxtool.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:23.29 | wols_ | dunno if it works for all drives tho |
| 13:23.35 | Arafangion | wols_: How would you do it? I'm just using apt-get -b source samba |
| 13:23.56 | Scurz | wols_: Thank you very much! :) |
| 13:24.00 | geo-rge | wols_: did you check out the opening scenes of the moovee? |
| 13:24.05 | wols_ | Arafangion: ok, that would need lenny keys, yes. however: it doesn't really matter if you don't have them |
| 13:24.27 | Arafangion | wols_: I know, but I /like/ such things. |
| 13:24.48 | wols_ | geo-rge: I watched all/most of it. lots of drivel. the part about the missing legality of the income tax is interesting tho. purely a formality of cours but interesting |
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| 13:25.06 | Arafangion | wols_: I'd have a personal key myself if I wasn't so disorganized. :) (I'm on so many computers at the moment, if I take my key with me, it'll leave copies everywhere ;( ) |
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| 13:25.27 | wols_ | Arafangion: this is not about a personal key of yours... |
| 13:25.32 | geo-rge | wols_: but why did irs refuse to answer if it's just a formality? |
| 13:25.33 | Arafangion | wols_: I know. |
| 13:25.35 | diafic | !fglrx |
| 13:25.36 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 13:26.28 | diafic | OK, logging into gnome keeps crashing |
| 13:26.33 | diafic | but gnome-failsafe works |
| 13:26.41 | diafic | How can I work out what is breaking it? |
| 13:26.46 | geo-rge | that's where it left the income tax thing and going to why was the govt so closedmouthed |
| 13:28.04 | diafic | Its not like its saying "OH SHIT so-and-so IS CRASHING ME D:" |
| 13:28.16 | geo-rge | I know you probably don't know the answer to these... I don't mean to put you on the spot or anything... |
| 13:28.47 | diafic | huh? |
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| 13:29.23 | themill | diafic: perhaps clearing out your saved session? |
| 13:29.54 | diafic | I tried that |
| 13:29.57 | diafic | still crashed. |
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| 13:30.02 | simonrvn | wols_, geo-rge: i'm about half-way through, but i have to go. this doesn't surprise me, really, that they'd pull this sham. buncha liars, all of them. |
| 13:30.10 | diafic | Could it be fglrx? If so, Why is failsafe still working? |
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| 13:30.35 | themill | diafic: any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 13:30.37 | geo-rge | simonrvn: *nod* |
| 13:30.41 | simonrvn | wols_, geo-rge: they don't respect treaties, are you all that surprised they don't listen to their other laws? |
| 13:30.48 | Kevin` | start the gnome session from a terminal, so you get the error messages easily |
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| 13:31.02 | diafic | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 13:31.16 | wols_ | simonrvn: sure but nation states are sovereign, especially if they have a big stick. supposedly inside their own borders they should be able to do something |
| 13:31.20 | diafic | I don't know why its failing now all of a sudden |
| 13:31.26 | azeem | fglrx doesn't do AIGLX I think |
| 13:31.47 | abrotman | i thought it was the other way around |
| 13:31.48 | MadCaddies | azeem, youre right. |
| 13:31.58 | diafic | it worked yesterday |
| 13:32.00 | simonrvn | wols_: a big stick doesn't give you sovereignty, it gives you the oomph to push others around. might != right |
| 13:32.04 | azeem | diafic: what worked |
| 13:32.07 | diafic | All I did was update my kernel |
| 13:32.08 | diafic | gnome |
| 13:32.16 | diafic | it crashed when not in failsafe |
| 13:32.19 | hark | diafic: that's not a fatal error afaik |
| 13:32.41 | MadCaddies | sometimes module-assistant helps on that |
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| 13:32.45 | themill | diafic: kernel update... did you need to recompile fglrx? |
| 13:32.47 | diafic | running .22-2-686 now |
| 13:32.54 | karmatronic | diafic: does it work with old kernel? |
| 13:32.56 | diafic | themill, how? |
| 13:32.57 | wols_ | simonrvn: theoretically not but if you don't have a big stick, sovereignity isn't worth spit |
| 13:32.58 | diafic | yes |
| 13:32.59 | MadCaddies | diafic, do u know how to use module-assistant? |
| 13:33.03 | diafic | sortof |
| 13:33.40 | wols_ | simonrvn: just ask any former USSR republic and why they all suck up to USA so much it'S disgusting. while it is disgusting it's also their only choice (if they can't get into EU that is) |
| 13:33.45 | simonrvn | wols_: look at any of our nations. we have also have sovereignty, but the nation states try to bully us |
| 13:33.49 | diafic | what part of !fglrx one-liner do I need? |
| 13:33.59 | MadCaddies | diafic: try module-assistant a-i fglrx-driver - if module-assistant is installed. it helped me a lot of times with fglrx related problems |
| 13:34.24 | wols_ | simonrvn: sorry to say it but you don't have soverignity and you of course don't have a big stick either |
| 13:35.00 | wols_ | sovereignity isn't being granted by someone else but fought for, usually paid in blood |
| 13:35.03 | DustyBin | wols_ / simonrvn could we stick to the topic please |
| 13:35.06 | simonrvn | wols_: i've studied this, and yes we do. no, we don't have big sticks, that is true |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | wols_: #-ot!!! |
| 13:35.29 | diafic | I have m-a for madwifi anyway |
| 13:35.38 | wols_ | simonrvn: you were granted it by the central governement no? and yes, you don't have the power to actually force others to comply with your given right |
| 13:35.49 | simonrvn | wols_: nope |
| 13:36.10 | en1gma | i have one windows box runnng putty. the router box has no X but does have mc and gpm installed....how do i copy text while in mc to the windos box text doc or pastebin.ca |
| 13:36.11 | abrotman | scaredy cat |
| 13:36.52 | themill | en1gma: that's a putty problem and has nothing to do with linux. It should just be highlight with putty and use Edit->Copy or whatever |
| 13:37.11 | wols_ | en1gma: select text in putty. htat's all |
| 13:37.15 | simonrvn | wols_: /join #d-ot ;) |
| 13:37.36 | simonrvn | crap, i have to go... bbl |
| 13:37.46 | simonrvn | we'll talk about it when i get back this afternoon |
| 13:38.02 | wols_ | if I'm still here, yes (who am I kidding...) |
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| 13:38.06 | en1gma | wols_ in mc (in putty) i open up the /etc/network/interfaces file with "f4" for edit then i select the text and middle mouse click then i goto pastebin.ca and it dont let me paste |
| 13:38.34 | themill | en1gma: it's a windows app. use your mouse in windows to select the text |
| 13:38.55 | hark | en1gma: ctrl+v |
| 13:38.58 | en1gma | i said i select the text and "middle mouse click" |
| 13:39.02 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 13:39.05 | en1gma | let me try 1 sec |
| 13:39.10 | wols_ | en1gma: learn to use putty and stop using the middle mouse button |
| 13:39.31 | wols_ | putty is NOT unix in any way shape or form |
| 13:40.25 | maxamillion | putty is more like "the portal to a unix machine from that of a lesser system" |
| 13:40.26 | Phil4 | haha |
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| 13:40.28 | MadCaddies | who here is "working" right now? |
| 13:40.34 | en1gma | "learn to use putty" <<<<lol it is not working |
| 13:40.35 | maxamillion | MadCaddies: me |
| 13:40.44 | Phil4 | Windows will do ssh too, maxamillion |
| 13:40.48 | en1gma | cntrl-c and cntrl-v do not work eithrer |
| 13:40.52 | maxamillion | Phil4: really now? |
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| 13:40.56 | themill | argh! |
| 13:40.56 | en1gma | right click copy dont work either |
| 13:41.01 | shwouchk | hi |
| 13:41.09 | Phil4 | maxamillion, yeh, I did it a while ago with cygwin |
| 13:41.10 | maxamillion | Phil4: when did they add ssh? |
| 13:41.15 | Phil4 | not natively, lol |
| 13:41.18 | maxamillion | Phil4: cygwin != windows |
| 13:41.29 | Phil4 | openssh != Unix :) |
| 13:41.40 | maxamillion | Phil4: never said it did |
| 13:41.49 | maxamillion | Phil4: just said you use putty to get to unix systems |
| 13:42.00 | shwouchk | please help: I get the following error with aptitude no matter what I try to install/uninstall: E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the memtest86+ package. ThisE: I wasn't able to locate a file for the memtest86+ package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)... I'm also told that libc6-i686 is broken... what to do to fix? might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
| 13:42.09 | shwouchk | damn |
| 13:42.14 | shwouchk | let me rephrase |
| 13:42.16 | Phil4 | cygwin and openssh are both 3rd party apps which can enable ssh access to the system |
| 13:42.20 | themill | en1gma: ffs. Highlight the text with your mouse and it is copied to the clipboard. Go to pastebin and ^V. |
| 13:42.33 | diafic | sorry, my internet conked |
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| 13:42.41 | diafic | how do I recompile fglrx again? |
| 13:42.46 | abrotman | MadCaddies: aren't we all ? |
| 13:42.51 | wols_ | !tell diafic about fglrx one-liner |
| 13:42.54 | themill | Phil4: cygwin doesn't "do ssh", it lets you run openssh |
| 13:43.14 | Phil4 | indeed, themill |
| 13:43.14 | wols_ | !tell shwouchk about bat |
| 13:43.21 | Phil4 | but it enables a windows machine to be sshed into |
| 13:43.24 | Rhoruns | how do i rename a file? |
| 13:43.28 | abrotman | mv |
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| 13:43.30 | Crypticfortune | anybody ever have a problem with enigmail in thunderbird/icedove not remembering their key passphrase (despite being set to remember it for like 30 minutes or so)? |
| 13:43.31 | Phil4 | Rhoruns, mv |
| 13:43.32 | en1gma | dont forget putty is running mc so mc must be stopping the normal putty copy and paste for some reason |
| 13:43.35 | Rhoruns | ok |
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| 13:44.13 | darrh00 | what's wrong? apt-get upgrade shows : |
| 13:44.14 | darrh00 | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 13:44.14 | darrh00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.14 | darrh00 | is it safe to continue? |
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| 13:44.16 | wols_ | en1gma: you are talking BULL shit. as usual |
| 13:44.20 | wols_ | why am I not surprised? |
| 13:44.22 | en1gma | i wish someone would try it so they can tell me how to do it |
| 13:44.34 | en1gma | it is not working |
| 13:44.38 | wols_ | en1gma: I just did |
| 13:44.51 | en1gma | are you using the stable putty or the newest |
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| 13:44.59 | wols_ | I am in putty and have a mc open in another screen window. and c&p works |
| 13:45.01 | themill | en1gma: are you just viewing a file in putty? then use less |
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| 13:45.16 | wols_ | en1gma: c&p in putty works ther same for the last 5 years, doh |
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| 13:45.32 | diafic | brb, rebooty |
| 13:45.34 | themill | en1gma: hold down shift when dragging to select |
| 13:45.37 | en1gma | im actually in mc (in putty) and opened /etc/network/interfaces with "F4" for edit |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | boggles ... |
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| 13:45.58 | en1gma | then i highlight with mouce and have middle clicked, right clicked, contrl-c etc...) |
| 13:46.05 | themill | en1gma: hold down shift when dragging to select |
| 13:46.07 | shwouchk | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/fjhcUO87.html |
| 13:46.12 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 13:46.26 | themill | wols_: depending on putty settings, mc will respond to the mouse click rather than letting it just be a windoze app |
| 13:46.29 | en1gma | themill i love you |
| 13:46.29 | wols_ | en1gma: it works in mcedit too |
| 13:46.30 | en1gma | :) |
| 13:46.37 | shwouchk | I'm having trouble installing uninstalling anything: this is the output: http://rafb.net/p/fjhcUO87.html |
| 13:46.39 | en1gma | holding shift worked |
| 13:46.40 | themill | ugh... unclean! |
| 13:46.42 | en1gma | thnx man |
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| 13:46.58 | en1gma | well i thought i was going to have to install webmin again |
| 13:46.59 | abrotman | shwouchk: you're pinning stuff |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | wols_: get in here! |
| 13:47.10 | en1gma | trying all this without webmin to see if it can be done easily |
| 13:47.11 | shwouchk | abrotman: I'm what? |
| 13:47.15 | themill | en1gma: don't install webmin. ever. |
| 13:47.37 | en1gma | well i did have it installed for a bit to get everything up and running when iu was having problems |
| 13:47.37 | ura | why i cannot go to fedora chatroom |
| 13:47.39 | wols_ | shwouchk: in where? |
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| 13:47.45 | abrotman | ura: /join #fedora |
| 13:47.46 | tarzeau | why would my debian kernel crash with a PANIC/BUG when netbooting/nfsroot, right after INIT ? |
| 13:47.50 | en1gma | it did help setup dhcp and bind dns servers easy it seams |
| 13:47.51 | shwouchk | wols_: huh? |
| 13:47.54 | wols_ | shwouchk: dpkg -i memtest86+ |
| 13:48.01 | wols_ | abrotman: in where? |
| 13:48.11 | diafic | yey, it works |
| 13:48.16 | mike1o | has anybody here managed to install gnash 0.8.1 on an amd64 debian? |
| 13:48.23 | ura | abrotman: i think i have identify myself |
| 13:48.29 | abrotman | ura: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:48.31 | diafic | Thanks whoever helped me :) |
| 13:48.48 | shwouchk | wols_: dpkg: error processing memtest86+ (--install): \n cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 13:48.55 | en1gma | so what you all upto today |
| 13:49.08 | wols_ | shwouchk: of course you need to have the deb file for it.... |
| 13:49.09 | MadCaddies | diafic: how did u solve it? (curiosity) :D |
| 13:49.27 | themill | shwouchk: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude install memblah |
| 13:49.43 | en1gma | my project for today is to finish off setting up the network....gonna take all the seperate networks (the 4 nics for lan) and bridge em to one network i think* |
| 13:49.44 | shwouchk | themill: I don't instend to install webmin, but what's wrong with it? |
| 13:49.46 | diafic | MadCaddies, recompiling fglrx |
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| 13:49.57 | shwouchk | themill: this is precisely what is failing (upgrade for instance |
| 13:50.20 | shwouchk | wols_: where does aptitude download debs to? |
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| 13:50.56 | wols_ | shwouchk: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:51.42 | abrotman | every time Ryushin joins .. all i can think is the old NES game Rush'n Attack |
| 13:51.43 | xored | wols_: could you help me with my grub problem. I trying it for arround 2 hours now getting a strange error. Tried it with my old debian host -> chroot and a gentoo-live cd-> chroot |
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| 13:52.26 | xored | wols_: anytime i run grub-install /dev/sda it fails with "the file /boot/grub/stage1 nor read correctly" |
| 13:52.52 | xored | wols_: beside i checked /boot/grub/device.map and adjusted menu.lst according to that |
| 13:52.54 | wols_ | xored: is there such a file? |
| 13:52.59 | xored | wols_: yes |
| 13:53.05 | xored | and he is creating that file |
| 13:53.12 | wols_ | grub is always a bitch to install :( |
| 13:53.15 | xored | ( if i delete it, he recreated it) |
| 13:53.38 | wols_ | if you used a chroot, did you mount --bind or whatever the /dev and/or /proc tree? |
| 13:53.46 | xored | no |
| 13:53.51 | wols_ | stage1 is not for you to create |
| 13:53.54 | xored | hmm this could be a problem |
| 13:55.28 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.36 | qrck | they know all eh |
| 13:55.50 | qrck | yeah yeah |
| 13:56.03 | Rhoruns | why can't it create executables?? configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 13:56.19 | cydork | !b-e Rhoruns |
| 13:56.20 | dpkg | Rhoruns: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:56.26 | edistar | is there a big difference between the nfs-servers: kernel and userspace? |
| 13:56.29 | Rhoruns | ohh okie dokie :) |
| 13:56.38 | Ryushin | abrotman: Great. My nick is reduced to a 80's video game. |
| 13:56.45 | wols_ | edistar: performance for once |
| 13:57.18 | edistar | wols_: big change? |
| 13:57.25 | edistar | wols_: difference I mean? |
| 13:57.36 | edistar | wols_: I only need to connect one client |
| 13:57.41 | abrotman | Ryushin: mine's been reduced to the breadman on numerous occasions |
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| 13:58.54 | abrotman | so my back has been fucked for about a week now |
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| 13:59.07 | abrotman | it was feeling better .. then i sneezed a few times this morning .. back to square1 |
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| 13:59.15 | abrotman | totally wrong channel! |
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| 13:59.24 | cydork | abrotman: no please go on :P |
| 13:59.30 | abrotman | IT HURTS DAMN IT! |
| 13:59.44 | Rhoruns | hey, what's the package that i need to get the mysql headers?? |
| 13:59.58 | kadath | mysql-dev |
| 13:59.59 | cydork | !tell Rhoruns -about search |
| 14:00.00 | kadath | maybe |
| 14:00.08 | Ryushin | abrotman: I think you need a small Japanese woman to give you a full body massage. |
| 14:00.10 | Rhoruns | lol, im sorry cydork.. |
| 14:00.29 | abrotman | Ryushin: i think i need an hour in a hot tub |
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| 14:00.42 | Ryushin | abrotman: Ryushin is Japanese for Dragon Heart. |
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| 14:01.00 | abrotman | i know .. we did this before |
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| 14:01.41 | Ryushin | Well, my memory is going. I can actually say things like, you know, it was 20 years ago I was in high school. Oh man, what is the world coming to. |
| 14:02.01 | predder` | holy hell you're old! |
| 14:02.02 | karmatronic | Ryushin: wasnt that a street fighter character ? :) |
| 14:02.23 | xored | wols_: mounted /dev and /proc now getting that "/dev/hde1" not found or not block device. I am tryint to run "grub-install /dev/sda3" |
| 14:02.27 | Ryushin | karmatronic: That was just Ryu. |
| 14:02.30 | Ronin | Ryushin: join me in #debian seniors corner? :) |
| 14:02.36 | rsdvd | jelly-home : are you in here today? |
| 14:02.56 | xored | wols_: hde1 is the grub part of my old drive..strange he trys that..i already adjusted /etc/fstab to point to the corrent drive with mounts /boot |
| 14:03.00 | Ryushin | Now if I tell you that I've been using linux since kernel .74, that makes me feel old. |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | Ronin: aren't i older than you ? |
| 14:03.51 | Ronin | abrotman: dont think so |
| 14:04.00 | abrotman | i'm 83! |
| 14:04.01 | xored | abrotman: maybe you have a slightly clue whats going on? |
| 14:04.02 | Ryushin | predder`: Thanks for the encouragement. |
| 14:04.08 | Ronin | abrotman: you old fart |
| 14:04.10 | Penix | I'm 90. I win |
| 14:04.16 | abrotman | FSVO win |
| 14:04.34 | abrotman | xored: haven't been following |
| 14:04.35 | fastputty | hi, icannot apt-get update anymore someone could help me |
| 14:04.35 | Rhoruns | is it possible to add several search parameters to apt-cache search, like: apt-cache search mysql && headers? |
| 14:04.36 | Ryushin | abrotman: I'm backwards to you, I'm 38. |
| 14:04.40 | wols_ | xored: how many disks are in your system right now? |
| 14:04.48 | fastputty | it tried to connect to a ip which isnt reponding to ping |
| 14:04.55 | wols_ | xored: and how many will be after you set up everything like you want? |
| 14:05.20 | Ryushin | Rhoruns: I usually use apt-cache search mysql | grep -i headers |
| 14:05.21 | Rhoruns | !penixstrike Penix |
| 14:05.21 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | Rhoruns: apt-cache search mysql headers |
| 14:05.34 | Rhoruns | ok, thanks |
| 14:05.54 | xored | wols_: rigth now, one IDE ( old debian server ), one SATA ( new debian server). will be: 2 SATA drives ( raid1 ) |
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| 14:06.43 | wols_ | xored: tried uninstalling and purging grub and reinstalling it (while in the crhoot)? |
| 14:07.00 | xored | wols_: not yet, triying now |
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| 14:07.17 | wols_ | xored: if you have a different amount of disks while insalling from when you will use it, the installer might bork |
| 14:07.41 | predder` | Ryushin, no problem! us young whippersnappers know how to dish out a compliment |
| 14:08.18 | xored | wols_: i plugged off the other SATA drive because i had this grub problems...i can easily put it on again |
| 14:08.25 | Ryushin | Who here has created their own sendmail.cf file from scratch? |
| 14:08.45 | abrotman | intentionally ? |
| 14:08.48 | Ryushin | And for those that have, who here would do it again. I sure as heck wouldn't. |
| 14:08.55 | Ryushin | Before m4 existed. |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | solaris7 ? |
| 14:09.06 | abrotman | i can't remember |
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| 14:09.12 | xand | send...what? |
| 14:09.14 | abrotman | !tell maikeruu about root |
| 14:09.16 | Ryushin | Solaris 2.5 for me. |
| 14:09.22 | abrotman | i can't recall if i had to or not |
| 14:09.38 | wols_ | xored: to install grub you should have your disks exactly the way you will use them in the future if possible |
| 14:09.47 | wols_ | ie no superfluos ones no missing ones |
| 14:09.49 | Ryushin | Actually, I think I started on sunos if I remember right. The early 90's are a blur at this point. |
| 14:09.59 | wols_ | at least not if it changes BIOS drive order |
| 14:10.04 | abrotman | i know i owuldn't use sendmail again unless i had to :) |
| 14:10.06 | en1gma | lol i got a small problem....im out of nics and cant hook up another computer to my router box to test lan file transfers |
| 14:10.15 | xored | wols_: i deinstalled / installed grub in the chroot. still having the /Dev/hde1/ not found error |
| 14:10.26 | abrotman | en1gma: buy a hub you lazy bum |
| 14:10.32 | wols_ | xored: is there a /dev/hde anywhere? |
| 14:10.35 | Penix | you're stuck in the past man...like, diversify, man! |
| 14:10.36 | Ryushin | abrotman: speaking the gospel there. A year after postfix was made, I was all over it. |
| 14:10.36 | en1gma | :) this is way funner... |
| 14:10.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | en1gma: then stop asking us |
| 14:10.53 | xored | wols_: no. |
| 14:10.56 | abrotman | your networking problems have nothign to do with debian |
| 14:11.05 | Ryushin | Actually, I dumped sendmail for qmail, and couldn't stand the limitations of qmail and went to postfix. |
| 14:11.05 | en1gma | can someone look at my config http://pastebin.ca/682310 and tell me if lan file transfers *should* work? |
| 14:11.31 | xored | wols_: the old debian server IDE is currently plugged of, i have booted from a gentoo live CD. |
| 14:11.55 | xored | wols_: so there are only CDROM drive and the SATA drive plugged in...i just trying to avoid problems |
| 14:11.57 | jelly | rsdvd: I'm around |
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| 14:12.25 | Ryushin | I'm wondering if Debian will ever make postfix their default mail server instead of exim. I know they hashed this out upwards and downwards for woody. It was still the default in sarge. |
| 14:13.06 | themill | shwouchk: sorry -- called away... are you sorted now? |
| 14:13.37 | jelly | Ryushin: debian has had a zillion default MTAs, exim4 is good enough not to change for extremely good reasons |
| 14:13.58 | Ryushin | And when the heck is redhat going to get their head out of the *** and start supporting another file system besides ext3. I mean for Pete sake, it takes about 2 days to format a 4 TB file system. |
| 14:14.23 | jelly | Ryushin: who cares, really? it's always just an aptitude install away |
| 14:14.32 | azeem | w 23 |
| 14:14.34 | edistar | Ryushin: are some fs much faster? |
| 14:14.34 | azeem | oops. |
| 14:14.52 | rsdvd | Hi Jelly : I am still fighting with this server I managed to kill the other day. I am after another favour, I need a static copy of chattr built on sarge like you did that tar for me :-).....I think I have worked out where my problems came from - I just need to be able to fix them now |
| 14:15.03 | en1gma | did anyone look at my pastebin and tell me if it should work the way it is or if i need to add routes to make file transfers work on the lan? http://pastebin.ca/682310 |
| 14:15.27 | Ryushin | edistar: When we're talking large file systems, yes. Ext3 is pathetic. |
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| 14:16.00 | en1gma | what is considered large? |
| 14:16.09 | geo-rge | big |
| 14:16.14 | en1gma | huge? |
| 14:16.20 | en1gma | enormous? |
| 14:16.26 | Penix | gigantic |
| 14:16.35 | en1gma | astronmical |
| 14:16.36 | Ryushin | XFS is the best for a very large file system. Though I would so love to see the new file system for open solaris to come to linux. I can't remember what it's called off hand. I read about it a few months ago. |
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| 14:16.37 | geo-rge | humungous |
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| 14:16.50 | en1gma | grande |
| 14:16.53 | abrotman | Ryushin: zfs ? |
| 14:16.53 | Penix | !win en1gma |
| 14:16.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, en1gma! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:16.58 | geo-rge | Ryushin: but make sure you have a UPS |
| 14:17.05 | en1gma | :) |
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| 14:17.12 | Ryushin | en1gma: Anything over 750 GB seems to drive Ext3 down. |
| 14:17.14 | abrotman | !zfs |
| 14:17.14 | dpkg | it has been said that zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 14:17.28 | en1gma | okie |
| 14:17.29 | jelly | rsdvd: no prob |
| 14:17.30 | xored | wols_: oh my goodness...i fount it...the /etc/mtab file was wrong.. |
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| 14:17.41 | Penix | !cluebat xored |
| 14:17.46 | rsdvd | jelly - thank you! |
| 14:17.53 | Ryushin | geo-rge: Yea, the own downside to xfs. Still use ReiserFS a lot because of that exact reason. That and I can resize ReiserFS just fine. |
| 14:17.59 | AbsintheSyringe | how to I remove realplayer when I installed it from .bin, any other way then just "brute" removing everything related to it |
| 14:17.59 | xored | oO |
| 14:18.13 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: brute force |
| 14:18.16 | jelly | Ryushin: so split the LUN to smaller partitions |
| 14:18.29 | Ryushin | abrotman: Yea, zfs I would so very much like to see that ported to the native kernel. I would be all over it. |
| 14:18.44 | abrotman | Ryushin: it's in FUSE .. i'm sure it'll get to the kernel in time |
| 14:19.05 | Penix | a gpl'd rewrite perhaps |
| 14:19.08 | jelly | abrotman: yeah, like never unless changes in licensing happen |
| 14:19.20 | Ryushin | abrotman: Well, hopefully it won't take years like reiserfs did. Though reiserfs was pretty buggy in the beginning. |
| 14:20.33 | Penix | hope someone keeps resier4 alive after the craziness. never tried it, but seems kind of cool |
| 14:20.39 | Penix | reiser rather |
| 14:21.38 | azeem | abrotman: zfs licensing is not GPL-compatible AFAIK |
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| 14:22.02 | Ryushin | Penix: The whole plugin architecture of reiser4 has a lot of advantages. Their compression plugin and the speed it provided was outstanding. |
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| 14:22.36 | Ryushin | I guess Penix is probably right and they would have to do a cold room rewrite to get it in the kernel. |
| 14:22.42 | Penix | was it Oracle that was developing a zfs-like fs for Linux?... |
| 14:22.58 | shwouchk | themill: sorry, was fixing another machine (IT HELL today) ... not fixed yet |
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| 14:23.24 | shwouchk | themill: it also hangs all the time.. at least I verified when and what not to do to make it hand |
| 14:23.27 | shwouchk | hang* |
| 14:23.36 | themill | shwouchk: fun all around then. So what do you get from an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade (perhaps you'll need a dist-upgrade) |
| 14:23.56 | dante_2core | hello everyone |
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| 14:24.51 | Ryushin | Has anyone heard what has happened to bootsplash.de? I've been trying to get there for the last couple of months. |
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| 14:27.50 | rahsputin1974 | whats the ab. for canada ? |
| 14:27.56 | rahsputin1974 | ca ? |
| 14:27.59 | shwouchk | themill: dist-upgrade is working |
| 14:28.06 | shwouchk | themill: lets see how it will end |
| 14:28.12 | themill | shwouchk: :) |
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| 14:28.19 | shwouchk | :D |
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| 14:30.15 | macsim | hi, I move a trac from a stable to another and when I trac to access it I have DatabaseError: file is encrypted or is not a database, on the trac wiki it seams to be possible to convert trac db but I need sqlite2, anybody get the same pb ? |
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| 14:31.17 | shwouchk | themill: I finally got to the bottom of this - I had /boot mounted ro... WHY? OH WHY couldn't aptitude give just a bit more info regarding the warning?! |
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| 14:32.53 | themill | shwouchk: ouch... |
| 14:32.54 | ttuttle | What does it mean when apt-get says a package was "kept back"? |
| 14:33.01 | abrotman | azeem: hrm .. i thought it was .. oh well |
| 14:33.08 | rsdvd | jelly : have you had any luck compiling chattr for me? |
| 14:33.11 | shwouchk | themill: thanks fot the help |
| 14:33.12 | rahsputin1974 | what the country code <cc> for canada |
| 14:33.19 | shwouchk | 2? |
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| 14:33.38 | Ronin | rahsputin1974: .ca but google could have told you that |
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| 14:33.50 | rahsputin1974 | i would like to add it to sources.list instead of <de> for germany |
| 14:34.12 | themill | !tell rahsputin1974 about mirrors |
| 14:34.26 | rahsputin1974 | Ronin, thanx ;) |
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| 14:35.27 | ttuttle | Why would the GUI "Software Updates" tool (is that aptitude, or synaptic, or what?) find updates when apt-get upgrade doesn't? |
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| 14:35.34 | Rhoruns | hey, is it possible to watch a log file logging in real-time? because when i try using nano to watch a logfile, it doesnt seem to be update without re-opening |
| 14:35.58 | Ronin | Rhoruns: man tail |
| 14:35.58 | themill | Rhoruns: tail -f |
| 14:35.58 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: tail -f /path/to/log |
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| 14:36.04 | rsdvd | Rhoruns : use tail -f <filename> |
| 14:36.06 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:36.06 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:36.13 | themill | I win. |
| 14:36.14 | Rhoruns | ooooo thanks :D |
| 14:36.17 | rsdvd | lol |
| 14:36.18 | wols_ | tuv: it won't. both use the same repositories referenced by sources.list |
| 14:36.21 | ttuttle | themill: /me is lagging over wifi, no fair! |
| 14:36.26 | Rhoruns | tail = real time file viewer or something? |
| 14:36.28 | DexterF | someone good with sshfs? got it in fstab, but can't mount it as a user |
| 14:36.33 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: No. |
| 14:36.35 | wols_ | Rhoruns: man tail |
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| 14:36.44 | Rhoruns | yes yes.. man tail, man tail.. lol |
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| 14:36.57 | wols_ | DexterF: pastebin the entry. it needs to have "user" in the options usually |
| 14:37.03 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: Tail reads the end of a file. tail -f "follows" it, so instead of just reading the last 10 lines (or however many) it reads those, then waits for more and prints them as they are appended to the file. |
| 14:37.04 | DexterF | options are user,noauto,allow_other,uid=dexter |
| 14:37.14 | Rhoruns | sounds like 'mein teil' lol |
| 14:37.22 | wols_ | DexterF: error messages would be nice too |
| 14:37.45 | DexterF | wols_: fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied |
| 14:38.02 | jelly | rsdvd: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/chattr |
| 14:38.10 | jelly | rsdvd: there's lsattr too |
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| 14:38.26 | rsdvd | jelly : you are a saviour! Thanks |
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| 14:39.22 | DexterF | wols_: need to chmod the mount.fuse binary? |
| 14:40.37 | Rhoruns | !tell rhoruns tar |
| 14:40.52 | Rhoruns | !tell tar rhoruns |
| 14:40.57 | Rhoruns | ehh?? |
| 14:41.03 | themill | !tell Rhoruns about msg the bot |
| 14:41.04 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: try /msg dpkg tell me about tar. |
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| 14:42.19 | karmatronic | DexterF: did you try manual mount |
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| 14:43.06 | gui__ | hi |
| 14:43.13 | jelly | DexterF: are you in fuse group? |
| 14:43.13 | gui__ | where is my mistake please ? I have to rename a lot of files |
| 14:43.18 | gui__ | find . -iname "*jpg" -exec mv '{}' $(echo '{}'|sed s/j//ig) \; |
| 14:43.37 | gui__ | and I receive the following error msg : mv: `./US (57).JPG' et `./US (57).JPG' identifient le même fichier. |
| 14:43.38 | shwouchk | I did 'ifconfig rausb0 up' and it just hangs there... why? |
| 14:43.42 | gui__ | (files are the same) |
| 14:43.49 | jelly | DexterF: doing "sshfs host:/path /mount/point" works for me |
| 14:43.49 | DexterF | jelly: need to? only just installed sshfs package |
| 14:43.50 | themill | gui__: man rename |
| 14:44.08 | jelly | DexterF: only if you want to mount fuse filesystems as user :-> |
| 14:44.14 | lhadie | by the way, can I use the debian partition resizing tool during installation to resize an existing windows partition? |
| 14:44.27 | DexterF | jelly: hmmm. ill check that. afk, bbiab |
| 14:44.29 | gui__ | oh :) |
| 14:44.35 | Rhoruns | how do i move an archive from one dir to another? |
| 14:44.37 | gui__ | but where is the bug in this command ? |
| 14:44.51 | dante_2core | Rhoruns, what archive? |
| 14:45.03 | dante_2core | a normal tar.gz archive or similar? |
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| 14:45.07 | Rhoruns | pvpgn-support-1.1.tar.gz |
| 14:45.10 | dante_2core | yes |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | mv |
| 14:45.12 | dante_2core | you do: |
| 14:45.26 | dante_2core | mv /path/to/bla.tar.gz /newpath/to/bla.tar.gz |
| 14:45.34 | Rhoruns | ah, ok, thanks :) |
| 14:45.37 | dante_2core | np |
| 14:46.00 | themill | Rhoruns: it sounds like you could do with going through a un*x command line tutorial. It will help you a lot. |
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| 14:46.58 | Rhoruns | i've already gone through hundreds of pages worth of tutorial, and most of the time i dont find exactly what im looking for, or the tutorial explains the command improperly without proper syntax |
| 14:47.36 | dante_2core | Rhoruns, |
| 14:47.42 | dante_2core | try man <the-command> |
| 14:47.44 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: man generally explains things decently. |
| 14:47.49 | dante_2core | or <the-command> help |
| 14:47.51 | Rhoruns | ah yes, man |
| 14:47.53 | Rhoruns | i keep forgetting |
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| 14:47.54 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 14:48.00 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: Or <the-command> --help, more likely. |
| 14:48.11 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: Yeah, man is your friend. Plus if you have a Unix guru nearby, ask them. |
| 14:48.21 | Rhoruns | ie: you? |
| 14:48.22 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 14:48.23 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: I find there's no substitute for finding someone you can just pester with questions. |
| 14:48.29 | ttuttle | Rhoruns: No, I meant local as in physically nearby. |
| 14:48.32 | Rhoruns | ahhh |
| 14:48.36 | themill | Rhoruns: I'm not suggesting that you use the tutorial to find things out, rather to get a base level of knowledge. There's a big difference between a reference book and a textbook. |
| 14:48.44 | Rhoruns | well, i dont have any friends, so there's no chance of me making any :( |
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| 14:49.06 | fastputty | how to reset the klogd configuration? |
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| 14:49.57 | themill | Rhoruns: this is a fairly good tutorial to get you up to speed: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ |
| 14:50.04 | Rhoruns | ok |
| 14:50.08 | fireba11 | a little pointer please .. where is the password fiel used with smbpasswd stored on debian ? |
| 14:50.57 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.26 | smacnay | how does one start a different gtk engine? |
| 14:51.27 | jkl_ | Can somebody advice me a chat-client for gmail? |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | pidgin or gaim |
| 14:51.37 | themill | jkl_: kopete |
| 14:51.51 | fireba11 | themill : passdb.tdb i take it ? can i transfer that file savely to another box if i want to move my samba service ? |
| 14:51.58 | abrotman | jkl_: at the google talk website .. they list a few |
| 14:52.15 | shwouchk | I did 'ifconfig rausb0 up' and the machine hangs... wtf? |
| 14:52.16 | jkl_ | abrotman, tnx... |
| 14:52.25 | jkl_ | themill, tnx |
| 14:52.26 | themill | fireba11: yes and nfi but probably |
| 14:53.19 | jkl_ | Im gonna look and write something here later. |
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| 14:53.30 | koolhead17 | hi |
| 14:53.34 | fireba11 | themill : nfi ? |
| 14:53.49 | themill | !nfi |
| 14:53.50 | dpkg | i guess nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 14:53.57 | themill | dpkg: thanks |
| 14:53.58 | dpkg | de rien, themill |
| 14:54.09 | fireba11 | themill : thanks though |
| 14:54.24 | themill | fireba11: np... we do our best ;) |
| 14:54.29 | cubny | how can I do this? anysite:specificPort forwardto 127.0.0.1:6000, btw 6000 is my tunnel |
| 14:54.36 | themill | fireba11: #samba might be more use for that question |
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| 14:56.41 | DexterF | added myself to group fuse, now I get: fusermount: failed to chdir to mountpoint: Permission denied |
| 14:56.43 | themill | !wayttd cubny |
| 14:56.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cubny? |
| 14:57.38 | cubny | themill: im trying to connect to irc through an ssh tunnel |
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| 14:59.43 | zOrK | why the debian installer can´t mount the CD?, I got a msg: wanna try to mount the CD again? |
| 14:59.45 | zOrK | i got suck there |
| 15:00.53 | themill | cubny: !ssh -Llocalport:irc.freenode.net:194 servername" and tell your irc client to connect to localhost:localport |
| 15:01.06 | themill | s/!ssh/"ssh/ |
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| 15:03.18 | DexterF | ah, mystery solved. didn't put +x on the mount point. works now. thanks all for the pointers. |
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| 15:09.20 | taime1 | how do you change the resolution of the gnome splash screen? |
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| 15:10.04 | Penix | taime1: what? you mean the display/login manager? |
| 15:10.12 | Penix | taime1: or the actual session manager splash image? |
| 15:10.19 | taime1 | not gdm, but the gnome splash |
| 15:10.52 | taime1 | after i finally got my nvidia card setup, it changed the splash res to HUGE |
| 15:10.53 | fastputty | how to reset the klogd configuration? |
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| 15:11.25 | SerajewelKS | taime1: are you sure that your monitor resolution didn't change? |
| 15:11.27 | GarryFre | Ok, here's some info on changing screen resolutions among others. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070903#feature |
| 15:12.22 | taime1 | After I Got My Nvidia Card setup, my gnome splash changed to a huge res... it looks funny because its halfway off the screen... i just want to center it again... |
| 15:12.41 | SerajewelKS | taime1: it thinks you have two monitors |
| 15:12.58 | taime1 | eegad |
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| 15:13.08 | SerajewelKS | taime1: read the nvidia driver readme |
| 15:13.08 | taime1 | what do i do? |
| 15:13.11 | GarryFre | Oh, Hmm .. Check that the sync rates are correct. |
| 15:13.11 | taime1 | okay |
| 15:13.21 | GarryFre | in the xorg.conf |
| 15:13.26 | SerajewelKS | GarryFre: that's nothing to do with twinview |
| 15:13.27 | taime1 | man nvidia? |
| 15:13.42 | SerajewelKS | taime1: it's in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-somethingorother |
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| 15:14.04 | GarryFre | Was taime1 talking about twinview? I wan't. |
| 15:14.10 | Penix | taime1: do you mean your screen is filled completely with a proper 'desktop', but the splash image itself is off to the side? or is the whole screen off to the side? |
| 15:14.20 | SerajewelKS | GarryFre: that's not his problem right now |
| 15:14.30 | fozze | hey, anyone ever run into this error? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=378531 . The solution doesn't seem to work for me |
| 15:14.46 | SerajewelKS | fozze: #ubuntu |
| 15:14.50 | GarryFre | SerajewelKS So what's the problem? |
| 15:14.52 | fozze | lol, tried that |
| 15:14.58 | SerajewelKS | GarryFre: it thinks he has two monitors |
| 15:15.01 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 15:15.02 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:15.07 | SerajewelKS | fozze: ^^^ |
| 15:15.09 | Ronin | fozze: well this is #debian so we cant really help |
| 15:15.20 | GarryFre | SerajewelKS Oh. ... Oops. |
| 15:15.22 | fozze | yeah, because dpkg doesn't exist in debian |
| 15:15.32 | fozze | :/ |
| 15:15.34 | SerajewelKS | !based on debian |
| 15:15.34 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 15:15.35 | DustyBin | how is bandwidth manages when somone is using sftp? with vsftpd i could set limits, how would one go about that with sftp? |
| 15:15.37 | SerajewelKS | fozze: ^^^ |
| 15:15.47 | Ronin | fozze: doesnt matter, we're not ubuntu they change things so anything we may say can make it worse etc. |
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| 15:18.39 | SerajewelKS | DustyBin: you'd have to do that with routing queues -- sftp is ssh traffic |
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| 15:18.54 | SerajewelKS | DustyBin: so you need to throttle port 22 or hack sshd |
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| 15:19.48 | zOrK | why the debian installer can´t mount the CD?, I got a msg: wanna try to mount the CD again? |
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| 15:20.34 | DustyBin | SerajewelKS: are there no tools out there what can manage your bandwidth for services like ssh? |
| 15:20.42 | fozze | ok, so what if I said I was using Debian ;) |
| 15:20.54 | SerajewelKS | DustyBin: google linux traffic shaping |
| 15:21.01 | SerajewelKS | fozze: we'd accuse you of lying |
| 15:21.03 | DustyBin | ok |
| 15:21.11 | fozze | but I am |
| 15:21.18 | edistar | fozze: sure... |
| 15:21.26 | fozze | i swear :) |
| 15:21.32 | SerajewelKS | fozze: go away |
| 15:21.40 | edistar | fozze: prove |
| 15:22.07 | themill | fozze: what's the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 15:23.00 | edistar | somehow fozze seems silent :P |
| 15:23.18 | fozze | Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 15:23.23 | fozze | Candidate: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 15:23.28 | fozze | Version table: |
| 15:23.34 | fozze | *** 2.3.6.ds1-13 0 |
| 15:23.37 | SerajewelKS | !paste |
| 15:23.37 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:23.50 | fozze | want more? |
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| 15:24.27 | Ronin | edistar: takes some time to search gogole for the correct output |
| 15:24.34 | edistar | Ronin: :P |
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| 15:24.59 | DexterF | fozze: when you wanna ask ubuntu questions in #debian, you better be clever. then again, you wouldn't be running ubuntu :D |
| 15:25.05 | wols | Ronin: at least he tried. better than 90% of the others like him |
| 15:25.06 | themill | fozze: then we'd tell you that you shouldn't be using the release candidate versions of etch and that you need to upgrade |
| 15:25.12 | edistar | DexterF: good one ;) |
| 15:25.22 | Ronin | wols: very true |
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| 15:25.49 | fozze | ok fine, |
| 15:25.59 | amol | hi all ..i am trying to install grub on usb but i am getting error as ~/grub/stage1 not readable |
| 15:26.04 | fozze | if you can't even say "i don't know", so be it |
| 15:26.16 | liable | i don't know |
| 15:26.20 | DexterF | edistar: well, there's a couple of things to kubuntu (not ubuntu, I'm with Torvalds about Gnome), the support a lot of hardware backported for example |
| 15:26.21 | fozze | thank you :) |
| 15:26.25 | liable | :) |
| 15:26.31 | DustyBin | trickle - user-space bandwidth shaper |
| 15:26.31 | SerajewelKS | fozze: we don't know about ubuntu, correct |
| 15:26.32 | themill | fozze: we have know idea how ubuntu fucked up dpkg. It's their fuckup not ours. |
| 15:26.44 | liable | not to mention i didnt even look :) |
| 15:26.50 | Ronin | fozze: you install debian, for real, and you'll get all kinds of help |
| 15:27.00 | gonzaloaf | hi, what version of icedove is available for testing? |
| 15:27.01 | fozze | well, i was fine until a long fsck seemed to destroy everything |
| 15:27.04 | edistar | DexterF: I like xfce, so I'm not into kde |
| 15:27.17 | DexterF | fozze: and by the way your nick is the german pronounciation of "cunt" :D *scnr* |
| 15:27.19 | amol | how to install grub on usb?? |
| 15:27.20 | cydork | gonzaloaf: check packages.debian.org/icedove |
| 15:27.20 | fozze | Ronin: i actually use both |
| 15:27.23 | themill | !info icedove testing |
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| 15:27.29 | dpkg | icedove: (free/unbranded thunderbird mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.5.0.10.dfsg1-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 10619 kB, Installed size: 31132 kB |
| 15:27.35 | sid | How can I set a brother printer to have a static ip? |
| 15:27.44 | sid | I have to keep changing the settings in administratin/printing in gnome/debian |
| 15:28.05 | DexterF | sid: internal lan print server? |
| 15:28.13 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to tell kde apps to use the gnome trash? |
| 15:28.29 | wols | sid: how does the printer get its ip? |
| 15:28.32 | Rhoruns | where is mysql's error log located at?? |
| 15:28.47 | wols | Rhoruns: like all logs under /var/log |
| 15:28.56 | edistar | OT: why does the firefox org not allow debian to call it firefox? |
| 15:29.08 | Ronin | !iceweasel |
| 15:29.08 | dpkg | [iceweasel] the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 15:29.17 | edistar | Ronin: thx |
| 15:29.25 | DexterF | edistar: if xfce was only a little more convenient. like adding launchers to the panel and having *one* panel including the window list or stacked window list above the main panel. lemme know if that's possible |
| 15:29.53 | edistar | DexterF: adding launchers is no problem |
| 15:29.59 | DexterF | dnd? |
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| 15:30.31 | DexterF | kde: nav thru menu, right click, "add to kicker" <- that easy? |
| 15:30.36 | edistar | !why iceweasel |
| 15:30.36 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for more information. |
| 15:30.38 | DexterF | last time (4.2) wasn't |
| 15:31.27 | edistar | DexterF: what do you mean with launchers? |
| 15:32.16 | jelly | DexterF: you can put the window list plugin in the same panel as the rest of your stuff |
| 15:32.36 | edistar | DexterF: you can actually do quite a lot ;) |
| 15:32.48 | DexterF | really need to peek into 4.4 |
| 15:32.57 | edistar | DexterF: 4.4 looks quite good too;) |
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| 15:34.21 | DexterF | got a tinker box. will try there. as soon as I mastered aircrack :) |
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| 15:35.08 | DexterF | btw, ubuntu has a kernel that supports a certain wifi stick I got - what are my chances compiling that one on debian? does debian has some special kernel patches it needs for.. startup or whatnot? |
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| 15:36.23 | maxamillion | DexterF: uhmm... ubuntu is based on debian, there is literally nothing it can do that debian can't ... it wouldn't exist without debian .... just for the record |
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| 15:37.09 | centrex_ | maxamillion, ubuntu can do somethings debian can't. Like have more up to date packages in their repositories :P |
| 15:37.14 | cloakable | maxamillion: How about install transcode from the ropes? :P |
| 15:37.22 | cloakable | *repos |
| 15:37.44 | maxamillion | centrex_: you ever run sid? ... just because the stable branch doesn't have it doesn't mean debian doesn't |
| 15:38.00 | themill | maxamillion: there are quite a few things hitting ubuntu repos before sid these days |
| 15:38.04 | centrex_ | maxamillion, I'm running sid right now. and I was mostly joking. |
| 15:38.09 | maxamillion | cloakable: what the two distros differ in repos doesn't really have much to do with the distro |
| 15:38.32 | maxamillion | themill: yes, but they are more stable in the sid repos ;) |
| 15:38.33 | DexterF | maxamillion: just the point, possibly the ubuntu kernel *can't* do something the debian kernel can due to patches |
| 15:38.36 | cloakable | maxamillion: It does :P What stopping Ubuntu packaging a different kernel? |
| 15:39.09 | maxamillion | cloakable: of course ubuntu packages a different kernel, they completely rewrote the init process |
| 15:39.15 | themill | maxamillion: hopefully.... ;) |
| 15:39.32 | maxamillion | themill: well, in my experiences sid is more stable than ubuntu |
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| 15:39.43 | cloakable | maxamillion: So it might well support different HW to Debian? :P |
| 15:40.47 | themill | maxamillion: heh ;) I like it. I sometimes get that impression about ubuntu. They like to break things often. Makes sure all the newbies get a chance to feel "big" by fixing things... maintains the windows experience for them. Pity they don't realise that the linux experience is that it just works and stays working... |
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| 15:41.39 | themill | cloakable: hardrware support will be about the same; at most you sometimes have to enable something like the debian-multimedia repo for some extra goodness. |
| 15:41.44 | maxamillion | cloakable: he was asking if he could compile a driver for it ... if it compiles on ubuntu, it will compile on debian |
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| 15:42.58 | maxamillion | themill: yeah, i actually just stick with the stable branch for my main desktop and laptop because i need to be assured of that "it just works and keeps working" complex for school purposes :) |
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| 15:42.59 | Seiya` | salve |
| 15:43.06 | themill | argh: centrex_ ^^ my last comment was more to you |
| 15:43.06 | cloakable | themill: Ubuntu kernel supports Realtek wifi cards natively :P I've not seen a module-assistant package for that yet for debian :P |
| 15:43.11 | maxamillion | themill: but sid is so much fun |
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| 15:43.33 | maxamillion | cloakable: but you can build the drivers for that card manually can you not? |
| 15:43.42 | nvz | xc |
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| 15:43.55 | cloakable | maxamillion: No, the things are virtually impossible to get working. |
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| 15:44.34 | cloakable | I've tried. |
| 15:44.47 | themill | cloakable: there's also nothing in ubuntu (that I can find) that does realtek either, other than the kernel itself. And the kernel isn't heavily patched for hardware support by ubuntu. |
| 15:45.17 | maxamillion | anyhoo ... i have class in about 10 minutes so i will be off ... bbl |
| 15:45.36 | cloakable | themill: That's all that needs to do it. After the driver loads, you can use the wireless tools to configure the card. |
| 15:46.13 | edistar | maxamillion: hf |
| 15:47.15 | themill | cloakable: I didn't make my point clearly enough... ubuntu has no packages for realtek cards either. And their kernel isn't including the half-baked out-of-kernel rtl or proprietary modules for it that I can see. |
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| 15:48.10 | cloakable | themill: Indeed. The driver is included as standard. At least on the last version I installed. |
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| 15:48.50 | themill | cloakable: in which case it will also work with recent debian kernels... |
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| 15:50.31 | DexterF | cloakable, maxamillion : i just got a wifi stick fo rfree, turns out is a realtek 8187. vanilla support in 2.6.23, canonical backported it to 2.6.20 so possibly their patches could be applied to the 2.6.21 kernel in etch-backports, but I'm not really that hot for that kind of stunt. |
| 15:51.05 | DexterF | unlikely the patch works on .18, if someone knows better I'm all ears |
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| 15:51.43 | themill | DexterF: unlikely... there have been massive changes to the wireless stack in recent kernels. |
| 15:52.22 | DexterF | of course! forgot about that, major rewrites in .21/.22. well so much about that. |
| 15:52.26 | themill | DexterF: obviously, though, I've not tried it. I did have an 8187 at one stage in a laptop and it shat me so far up the wall I pushed that machine off to be a windoze box. |
| 15:53.05 | DexterF | can't aircrack in windoze ;) |
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| 15:53.18 | amol | how to upgrade bios? |
| 15:53.30 | pickcoder | I'm having issues getting a DNAT rule to work in the Debian default shorewall setup |
| 15:54.04 | DexterF | amol: not exactly a debian question, not even a linux question, but if you're lucky the mobo manufacturer offers a floppy image you can download and dd to a disk and boot with that |
| 15:54.18 | pickcoder | the rules shows correctly under the net2loc chain |
| 15:54.18 | DexterF | if not you gotta make one or worse: install windows |
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| 16:01.38 | robboplus | is -686 kernel a right choice for amd X2 host? |
| 16:01.50 | robboplus | or should i stick to 386 or 486? i'm really confused |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | it can be .. and should work fine |
| 16:02.35 | SlayerXP | robboplus: 686 will be fine |
| 16:04.43 | robboplus | hm and how about K7 kernels? |
| 16:04.48 | robboplus | perhaps a better choice? |
| 16:05.13 | amol | DexterF, i am trying to install grub on usb ..in usb i copied grub folder then also error is coming like ~/boot/grub/stage1 is not readable..can you tell me how to install grub on usb? |
| 16:05.30 | abrotman | robboplus: that's another one that would work |
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| 16:06.19 | DexterF | amol: you gotta run grub-install and point it there, simply copy doesn't suffice |
| 16:06.48 | smacnay | how does one configure alsa? Is there a conf tool? |
| 16:07.02 | DexterF | kasound.sf.net |
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| 16:07.37 | amol | DexterF, yes for grub-install --rot-directory=/media/usb /dev/sdc1 ..by running this command i am getting error as stage1 is not readable |
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| 16:07.56 | DexterF | it's root, not rot |
| 16:08.30 | themill | smacnay: alsaconf |
| 16:08.31 | amol | DexterF, it is root only by mistaken i wrote here |
| 16:08.46 | DexterF | dunno then. #grub perhaps? |
| 16:08.51 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:08.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 16:09.06 | smacnay | themill: does alsa create a /dev/dsp device by default? |
| 16:09.22 | DexterF | isn't dsp oss? |
| 16:09.32 | smacnay | DexterF: yes |
| 16:09.39 | themill | smacnay: oss emulation is prompted for by alsaconf iirc |
| 16:09.54 | CalJohn | whats a good djvu reader (preferably using gtk) |
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| 16:10.17 | smacnay | DexterF: for some reason, some apps still want to use /dev/dsp and that device is not present. Maybe I need to load a module. |
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| 16:10.36 | amol | DexterF, even for #grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 command it is not showing as usb is having /boot/grub/stage1..why? |
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| 16:10.50 | themill | smacnay: no... it is just created by default, not prompted for. |
| 16:10.59 | DexterF | smacnay: abrotman gave you the hint |
| 16:11.11 | amol | DexterF, is there any mistake of my proceedure what i followed to install |
| 16:11.12 | smacnay | themill: then my alsa configuration is not creating the device. |
| 16:11.19 | smacnay | oops - let me read up |
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| 16:12.12 | DexterF | amol: can't really tell. I'd really ask on #grub |
| 16:12.14 | ricardo | hi guys as you know ive been trying to get my wireless card working. I have had a post replied to my problem on debianhelp. Can you confirm for me what is siad is correct? http://www.debianhelp.org/node/10081 |
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| 16:12.34 | DexterF | amol: oh, no I see: I meant the channel #grub here on freenode |
| 16:12.41 | ricardo | It seems I have to make some changes to my interface file |
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| 16:13.48 | liable | ricardo: you need to edit your interfaces file because eth2 doesnt appear to exist in it |
| 16:14.09 | liable | ricardo: i dont suppose you can even access the net with ethernet on that box? |
| 16:14.11 | smacnay | DexterF: well, now alsa only loads the snd-pcm-oss stuff. I need to do some tinkering. |
| 16:14.22 | ricardo | liable no i cant |
| 16:15.01 | liable | ricardo: write this stuff down. dont start kwifi-manager and do it all from the command line |
| 16:15.11 | liable | ricardo: same cafe, same wireless essid? |
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| 16:15.28 | ricardo | liable yeah cafe alexander |
| 16:15.42 | themill | liable: if dhclient is getting an IP, then shouldn't it all be done now... what have I missed? |
| 16:15.46 | liable | ricardo: i dont know why you cant access the net, because you are getting a dhcp lease |
| 16:15.58 | themill | liable: resolvconf installed? |
| 16:16.04 | liable | ricardo: so, do this, and make sure kwifi isnt running |
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| 16:16.15 | ricardo | liable ok |
| 16:16.43 | liable | themill: not really needed |
| 16:17.04 | ricardo | do what the guy tells me ? |
| 16:17.21 | themill | ricardo: follow liable's instructions |
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| 16:18.41 | liable | ricardo: ifconfig eth2 up; iwconfig eth2 essid Alexander; dhclient eth2; now try and ping the router, ping 192.168.0.1; if that works, then try ping 64.233.167.99 |
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| 16:18.56 | themill | liable: I was more wondering if multiple ifups were causing problems with scribbling on each other's dns settings |
| 16:19.52 | liable | themill: hrm |
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| 16:20.07 | liable | ricardo: before you do that, do ifdown eth1 |
| 16:20.19 | ricardo | liable ok let me try this . ill have to boot into linux brb. im sure i have a problem with the interface file |
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| 16:20.27 | themill | liable: just a thought.... this shouldn't have been as difficult as it has been so there must be something working against us... |
| 16:20.53 | liable | ricardo: if you can ping that last ip (google) then you have dns issues, and we can start on that, but lets see if you can even ping outside the lan first |
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| 16:20.59 | liable | themill: indeed |
| 16:21.24 | liable | ricardo: do you have to pay for access at this cafe? |
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| 16:22.15 | ricardo | i have to buy something |
| 16:22.31 | liable | ricardo: and they give you a login? |
| 16:22.37 | themill | you must have been good business over the last few days.... |
| 16:22.42 | liable | heh |
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| 16:23.06 | ricardo | yeah i buy a coffe and a choclate muffin every now and then |
| 16:23.10 | Rhoruns | hey, is it possible to delete a directory but have all of the contents carry-over to the directory above, instead of deleting those too? |
| 16:23.26 | liable | ricardo: but do they give you a login, or anyone can just hook up? |
| 16:23.32 | DustyDingo | hi, someone running debian unstable and can post me the md5sum of /sbin/dhclient3? |
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| 16:23.37 | ricardo | anyone cn hook up |
| 16:23.46 | liable | themill: the web browser logins are java usually.. |
| 16:23.51 | liable | just a thought |
| 16:23.58 | themill | ffs.... |
| 16:24.01 | liable | javascript i guess |
| 16:24.07 | pepe | 2cdb469ef253eb1f169ba4418cbfe38e |
| 16:24.28 | themill | 24ed0de780c2831fa4ca4cfb7fc861e8 |
| 16:24.39 | themill | DustyDingo: wanna have another go? |
| 16:24.41 | ricardo | liable i have changed the interface settings since that post on deb help . should i change them back |
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| 16:24.47 | pepe | dhcp3-client_3.0.6-1_i386.deb |
| 16:24.54 | liable | ricardo: so you dont get any bit of paper that gives you a login name and password? and they dont have it written anywhere? |
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| 16:24.57 | themill | DustyDingo: ahh sorry.. missed the sid bit... I'll go back and sit in the corner |
| 16:25.08 | ricardo | liable no login |
| 16:25.18 | DustyDingo | themill: you frightened the hell out of me ;) |
| 16:25.22 | themill | :) |
| 16:25.25 | liable | ricardo: ok, go do those things and come back |
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| 16:25.54 | ricardo | ok ill change the setting back then try pinging. |
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| 16:26.11 | nathan | hello all |
| 16:26.16 | ricardo | but will this work without an eth2 area in the inteface file ? |
| 16:26.27 | et | can i delay loading a kernel module on boot somehow? |
| 16:26.32 | liable | ricardo: yep, use ifconfig, not ifup |
| 16:26.42 | nathan | still new to debian; i have just installed the latest netinst |
| 16:26.45 | ricardo | ok brb |
| 16:26.56 | Rhoruns | how do i do a bulk mv?? |
| 16:26.58 | nathan | curious now, cause im starting to install stuff |
| 16:27.01 | et | a udev rule of mine does not work on my network interface, i suspect it's because it isn't in effect when the module is loaded |
| 16:27.20 | nathan | in debian; how to i tell the package manager about certain things i dont want; like x ? |
| 16:27.21 | themill | !tell et about blacklist |
| 16:27.38 | DustyDingo | never ever use bad intrusion detction |
| 16:27.49 | themill | nathan: the package manager will only ever bring in what you ask for. |
| 16:28.09 | nathan | well when i ask for emacs, it wants to install x-11 |
| 16:28.12 | nathan | thats not what i want |
| 16:28.27 | themill | nathan: are you using aptitude? |
| 16:28.35 | nathan | apt-get |
| 16:28.52 | nathan | is there a more granular emacs package perhaps ? |
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| 16:28.59 | solemnwarning | Are there any easy video editing programs for Linux? |
| 16:29.01 | pepe | yeah, they took out most of emacs and ship it as a library now, happens to include x as well.. ;) |
| 16:29.05 | solemnwarning | A clone of Ulead VS 11 would be nice |
| 16:29.07 | themill | emacs21-nox |
| 16:29.13 | nathan | oic; there are a ton |
| 16:29.19 | nathan | didnt think to look :( |
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| 16:29.32 | themill | also emacs22-nox |
| 16:30.12 | jelly | rsdvd: build yourself a virtual machine if you need another debian installation, it's easy to do these days |
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| 16:30.15 | valombre | (hum :p) |
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| 16:30.53 | jelly | rsdvd: then you can compile statically all you want |
| 16:31.07 | themill | Rhoruns: mv file1 file2 file3 .... filen destinationdir/ |
| 16:31.26 | klikklak | hi, I just burnt an .img file, but it doesn't play with any movie player, it's complaining about lack of VIDEO_TS etc. how can I resolve this? |
| 16:31.26 | themill | DustyDingo: dhclient puts the interface into promiscuous mode, iirc |
| 16:31.34 | Rhoruns | ohhh, thanks. is there a shortcut i can use to make it so i dont have to type the path for each file? |
| 16:31.41 | et | themill: i don't want it to not load at all |
| 16:32.14 | pepe | Rhoruns: that is done by the shell, eg mv ~/* /tmpuser |
| 16:32.15 | liable | Rhoruns: for all files in a dir * |
| 16:32.32 | Rhoruns | ahh, nice |
| 16:32.33 | themill | Rhoruns: or cd to the source dir first |
| 16:32.34 | Rhoruns | thanks so much |
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| 16:33.21 | Rhoruns | mv / = current dir? |
| 16:33.33 | pepe | no, current dir is ./ |
| 16:33.38 | Rhoruns | kk, thanks |
| 16:33.47 | Phil4 | is it possible to disable the automatic hard disk scans on boot? |
| 16:33.48 | solemnwarning | Every time I try running a wine program it works the first time but not again, I need to reboot to run a wine program each time |
| 16:33.52 | solemnwarning | This is the error: http://rafb.net/p/Apot3c25.html |
| 16:33.55 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 16:33.57 | themill | et: ahh... you can put the module name /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist as "blacklist modulename" which will prevent it being autoloaded but you can still modprobe it later... but that's getting very clumsy |
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| 16:34.01 | Phil4 | one of my drives is faulty and it's preventing it booting |
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| 16:34.23 | nathan | is there something which lists a description of the packages from the cli ? |
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| 16:34.38 | pepe | apt-cache show |
| 16:34.40 | themill | nathan: apt-cache show or apt-cache search |
| 16:34.40 | cydork | nathan: man apt-cache |
| 16:34.44 | tomdick | aptitude show |
| 16:34.49 | themill | !tell nathan about search |
| 16:35.03 | pepe | I'd suggest to read some chapter about apt/aptitude |
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| 16:35.27 | themill | !tell nathan about grounding |
| 16:35.43 | themill | nathan: there's lots of useful things to learn about debian in those docs |
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| 16:35.56 | liable | Filbert: also check for bugs against that kernel version at ubuntu |
| 16:36.03 | pepe | !tell pepe about grounding |
| 16:36.07 | themill | solemnwarning: that warning shouldn't do much. Try killall wine; wineboot |
| 16:36.12 | themill | !tell pepe about msg the bot |
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| 16:36.25 | liable | Filbert: sorry, wrong nick |
| 16:36.57 | DexterF | Phil4: man fstab |
| 16:37.23 | xored | i just deleted a partition i would like to recover. Nothing has yet been writen on the entire disk, i deleted the partion with cfdisk, fs is ext3 |
| 16:37.31 | et | themill: before i try out clumsy stuff, is it possible to start udev earlier? |
| 16:37.42 | tomdick | did direct rendering get dropped out of the intel xorg driver? |
| 16:37.47 | Phil4 | ah, great |
| 16:37.52 | pepe | recreate the partition with the exact same boarders and you are done |
| 16:37.55 | Phil4 | thanks DexterF |
| 16:38.05 | tomdick | i'm getting: http://pastebin.ca/682550 when i run glxinfo |
| 16:38.17 | pepe | if you have created an fs, you're pretty screwed |
| 16:38.45 | themill | et: it's already started pretty early in rcS.d |
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| 16:39.44 | techbie | tomdick : export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose and rerun glxinfo and paste the output in pastebin |
| 16:39.56 | DustyDingo | xored: it depends on what you want to get back, how badly you are screwed |
| 16:39.57 | liable | et: dont fuck with the order of init scripts, especially not udev |
| 16:40.06 | themill | et: what's your actual problem -- perhaps there's a better solution |
| 16:40.14 | liable | et: what exactly isnt working with your rule? |
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| 16:40.54 | tomdick | techbie: http://pastebin.ca/682556 |
| 16:41.33 | pepe | xored: and: backup is always fun to have. you can also access the partition directly via losetup -o <partition offset>, so you don't write anything to your disk. you can then mount the lo-device |
| 16:41.46 | et | liable: the rule renames the interface -- well, it should, but it doesn't. if i modprobe -r && modprobe the module, it is renamed |
| 16:41.47 | DustyDingo | xored: last week scalpel did a great job to recover data for me from a formated vfat partition |
| 16:41.50 | kenji | guys I have 3 virtual servers with public ip each one, I don't have more public Ip's, can I do a virtual LAN? can I add more vnetX and set all of them 192.168.1.X ips and make them to interact? |
| 16:41.59 | themill | !tell et about z25 |
| 16:42.23 | tomdick | techbie: that's odd, it still says 'if you want to find out why try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose' |
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| 16:43.05 | liable | et: hrm, could be loaded from the intrd i guess, but even then udev should rename it. does dmesg mention anything about it? |
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| 16:45.23 | et | themill: thanks, wasn't aware of that file |
| 16:46.10 | et | liable: the cause seemed to be that there are already rules defined in another place. Odd though that wlan and firewire were renamed and lan was not |
| 16:46.32 | liable | et: what other place? |
| 16:46.47 | themill | liable: z25 |
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| 16:48.46 | ricardo | hi guys I done the test with iwconfig the results http://paste.debian.net/36348 |
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| 16:50.04 | liable | themill: if thats where it was defined, then where the hell was he trying to rename it? |
| 16:50.05 | ricardo | liable does that output suggest a dns problem |
| 16:50.26 | themill | liable: some other spot somewhere else in some other rule... |
| 16:50.59 | liable | ricardo: ok, no thats worse. you didnt get a dhcp lease that time. |
| 16:51.01 | themill | ricardo: no... that means that you've gone backwards a step since yesterday. |
| 16:51.02 | abrotman | dns ? |
| 16:51.07 | et | liable: i was not aware that debian generates premade rules |
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| 16:51.27 | et | so i created another file containing rules |
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| 16:52.38 | en1gma | i un-installed quite a bit stuff yesterday. im trying to run make menuconfig and its not completing..is there a script i can run to make sure it has everything it requires |
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| 16:52.45 | liable | ricardo: ok, do what you did yeasterday so that you can get a dhcp lease again, try pinging the router and then the second ip i gave you |
| 16:52.54 | en1gma | i dloaded and install build-essential a bit ago but evedently it needs more |
| 16:53.28 | jetlaw | libncurses5-dev |
| 16:53.34 | stoned | jetlaw: ? |
| 16:53.35 | jetlaw | try m-a prepare |
| 16:53.41 | jetlaw | oh |
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| 16:53.47 | jetlaw | law&order is over |
| 16:53.56 | stoned | identity crisis? |
| 16:53.59 | en1gma | m-a repair is what i need to do jetscreamer? |
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| 16:54.00 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 16:54.01 | stoned | are you confused jet |
| 16:54.04 | liable | heh |
| 16:54.20 | stoned | :) |
| 16:54.21 | jetscreamer | en1gma: i'm just saying m-a prepare 'might' help |
| 16:54.25 | ricardo | liable so i try pinging 64.233.167.99 |
| 16:54.37 | en1gma | jetscreamer can hurt anythign |
| 16:54.49 | jetscreamer | can't hurt anything |
| 16:54.52 | en1gma | jetscreamer how did you get your nic |
| 16:55.04 | Ronin | en1gma: he typed /nick jetscreamer |
| 16:55.08 | jetscreamer | i watched a lot of jetsons |
| 16:55.19 | en1gma | :) im an amt |
| 16:55.40 | liable | ricardo: yeah. ping 192.168.0.1 first. if that doesnt work you have no hope. then the second address. if that works have a look in /etc/resolv/conf |
| 16:55.42 | en1gma | aviation maintenance technician |
| 16:55.52 | abrotman | god help us all |
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| 16:55.58 | en1gma | thats why i asked but i gonna try that m-a repair |
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| 16:56.04 | Ronin | en1gma: what company? |
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| 16:56.15 | liable | hehe |
| 16:56.18 | ricardo | i tried pining ping 64.233.167.99 |
| 16:56.18 | ricardo | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 16:56.19 | en1gma | abortman i dont work on planes any more cause that field of work just dont pay enough |
| 16:56.19 | jetscreamer | prepare |
| 16:56.19 | alex^^ | anyone know where the Elefante Installer homepage is? - google turns up 100k+ webhosting companies - its a php script and i cant seem to find the homepage for it >_< |
| 16:56.20 | themill | en1gma: you're not with nepalese airlines doing the goat thing are you? |
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| 16:56.27 | Ronin | themill: damn you :) |
| 16:56.34 | liable | ricardo: you werent connected then |
| 16:56.46 | jetscreamer | en1gma: prepare, not repair |
| 16:56.47 | liable | ricardo: you need to get an ip from the router first |
| 16:56.53 | en1gma | i used to be with fighter enterprises...worked on p-51 mustangs there and at the same airport i work on lear jets too |
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| 16:57.15 | jetscreamer | i used to work at hobby and had a pass i could drive my car on the runways |
| 16:57.19 | ricardo | hang on that was from the test i performed when i was connected . |
| 16:57.20 | liable | hah, the goat sacrifice was priceless |
| 16:57.22 | abrotman | en1gma: so just to make sure .. you don't touch anything with wings anymore .. right ? |
| 16:57.23 | jetscreamer | alas, no more |
| 16:57.31 | en1gma | k 1 sec i got an im |
| 16:57.37 | nathan | well i dont see any textual descriptions coming from apt-cache showpkg |
| 16:57.43 | liable | ricardo: when? |
| 16:57.56 | jetscreamer | lol@nathan |
| 16:57.58 | ricardo | from the paste http://paste.debian.net/36348 |
| 16:57.58 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 16:57.59 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 16:58.20 | jetscreamer | show <name_of_package> |
| 16:58.28 | nathan | i see; regex the require lists to find out which one doesnt have x11 ? |
| 16:59.20 | ricardo | liable oh i pinged the second number you gave but not the first . ok ill try again |
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| 16:59.20 | ricardo | brb |
| 16:59.20 | themill | nathan: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:59.20 | liable | ricardo: wait |
| 16:59.20 | abrotman | nathan: it's not really installing X |
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| 16:59.20 | ricardo | ok |
| 16:59.30 | liable | ricardo: use the kwifi thing this time, make sure the iface you are using dhcp on is the wireless one |
| 16:59.35 | nathan | there are several package names in the list w/ x11 |
| 16:59.46 | mikkel | hey i've installed etch on a via epia cn1300 mobo.. but cant get xorg working properly.. and i figure i gotta install the via drivers.. but cant find a proper guide for it anywhere |
| 16:59.50 | themill | en1gma: so just to be sure... you're not involved in this sort of thing, are you: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/05/2025194.htm |
| 16:59.58 | abrotman | mikkel: which via card ? |
| 16:59.59 | liable | ricardo: so, check and make sure if its eth0 or eth1 or eth2, then run dhclient on that one |
| 17:00.09 | ricardo | liable i have set kwifi to use eth2 |
| 17:00.15 | mikkel | abrotman: epia-cn |
| 17:00.22 | nathan | x11-common, libx11-6 and so on |
| 17:00.23 | liable | ricardo: you need to see it give you a lease (it actually says that it gives you a lease) |
| 17:00.27 | themill | nathan: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:00.31 | abrotman | mikkel: that's a via card ? |
| 17:00.33 | liable | ricardo: then try the pings |
| 17:00.38 | abrotman | mikkel: lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:00.41 | mikkel | abrotman: i think its the unichrome pro embedded gfx |
| 17:00.41 | nathan | themill: install emacs for the cli only |
| 17:00.47 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 17:00.47 | dpkg | somebody said unichrome was the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 17:00.51 | liable | ricardo: just try them all |
| 17:00.55 | nathan | i dont not want any x11 packages on this machine; its supposed to be a server |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | mikkel: says to use the via driver! |
| 17:00.58 | ricardo | liable ok |
| 17:01.02 | ricardo | brb |
| 17:01.03 | themill | nathan: and apt-get install emacs22-nox doesn't work? |
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| 17:02.16 | mikkel | abrotman: well i know that.. but the free driver dosnt work |
| 17:02.22 | nathan | themill: i do not see emacs22-nox as an option |
| 17:02.27 | abrotman | mikkel: then check unichrome.sf.net |
| 17:02.32 | nathan | do i need a different source or something ? |
| 17:02.36 | abrotman | nathan: it's emacs21-nox for you |
| 17:02.51 | abrotman | nathan: apt-cache search emacs nox |
| 17:03.02 | themill | nathan: or 21- then |
| 17:03.02 | abrotman | nathan: but should a server really be running another OS like emacs ? |
| 17:03.23 | themill | abrotman: think of it as a form of paravirtualisation.... |
| 17:03.34 | abrotman | paravirus ? |
| 17:03.39 | nathan | abrotman; its just a text editor is it not |
| 17:03.44 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 17:03.44 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 17:03.48 | nathan | themill: and yest thats it thank you |
| 17:04.00 | themill | abrotman: e.g. the emacs http server: http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/ |
| 17:04.14 | nathan | i see the description is listed to the package name in the standard output of apt-cache search as well |
| 17:04.20 | abrotman | i thought there was an emacs mode for nano or something |
| 17:04.20 | nathan | sorry for being so difficult |
| 17:04.34 | themill | nathan: no problem! |
| 17:04.37 | nathan | change can be frustrating.. |
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| 17:04.49 | themill | but changing to debian is always good ;) |
| 17:05.36 | nathan | i prefer gentoo |
| 17:05.41 | mikkel | abrotman: ok that looks fine.. how do i install the bugger? i only know apt :/ |
| 17:05.43 | nathan | but i have no choice at work |
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| 17:05.54 | nathan | i respect debian because there are many forks |
| 17:05.56 | abrotman | mikkel: you'd have to read the instructions .. |
| 17:06.04 | nathan | it is clearly solid |
| 17:06.10 | abrotman | mikkel: is this for a server or workstation of sorts ? |
| 17:06.11 | themill | !gentoosmite nathan |
| 17:06.54 | mikkel | abrotman: htpc |
| 17:07.04 | nathan | there are no guessing games; if i dont want x i put -X |
| 17:07.12 | nathan | then all packages reflect that decision |
| 17:07.17 | mikkel | video drivers HAS to work... everything else comes in second |
| 17:07.30 | nathan | and w/ source based distros, binary build servers are used in large envs |
| 17:07.47 | mikkel | right now im running ½ resolution.. and cant find any proper howto's anywhere |
| 17:07.55 | nathan | very simliar in general to binary disros alltogether, except you pick the build parameters |
| 17:07.59 | abrotman | mikkel: htpc ? |
| 17:08.18 | mikkel | abrotman: uhm mediacenter |
| 17:08.25 | nathan | but in general i like to know as much as i can |
| 17:08.34 | mikkel | abrotman: you know myth tv and dvd playback :) |
| 17:08.36 | nathan | debian is very popular and so are its derivatives |
| 17:08.52 | mikkel | maybe i should've just gone gentoo *sigh* |
| 17:09.03 | jetscreamer | yes you should have... |
| 17:09.03 | Wyzard_ | nathan: Unfortunately, many people think the "real reason" to use Gentoo is "-O6 -fcrazy-unsafe --everything" rather than USE flags |
| 17:09.05 | nathan | hahah; that would have been better :) |
| 17:09.53 | Wyzard_ | nathan: Lack of customized build options in a binary distro like Debian isn't really a big deal in most cases though |
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| 17:10.01 | Wyzard_ | hmm, I seem to have acquired an underscore |
| 17:10.10 | themill | nathan: you might find that something like aptitude in curses mode is easier as it will allow you to scroll through the packages more easily. But once you get used to using apt-cache or packages.debian.org, it's no longer a guessing game and you get to use the new version of frobinator straight away without waiting overnight to compile. |
| 17:10.14 | nathan | i think gentoo is mainly inspired by free bsd |
| 17:10.22 | abrotman | mikkel: nope .. but oyu might want to check if a newer version of X would support that card |
| 17:10.25 | nathan | it is like bsd w/ the linux kernel |
| 17:10.29 | abrotman | nathan: and people who have too much free time :) |
| 17:10.30 | nathan | thats just cool |
| 17:10.35 | abrotman | !kfreebsd |
| 17:10.40 | abrotman | hrm |
| 17:10.42 | jetscreamer | bobbitize Wyzard zomg |
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| 17:10.56 | abrotman | !debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 17:10.56 | dpkg | hmm... debian gnu/kfreebsd is a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html |
| 17:10.57 | nathan | oh, well, one way or another im getting to know debian |
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| 17:11.06 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 17:11.07 | dpkg | somebody said refcard was A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 17:11.10 | mikkel | abrotman: well its "supported" but no hw accel... |
| 17:11.11 | ricardo | Shes alive !!!! |
| 17:11.19 | abrotman | mikkel: you need that for mythtv ? |
| 17:11.34 | ricardo | laible everybody im talking to you from debian guys |
| 17:11.44 | mikkel | abrotman: the whole point in running via embedded systems with mythtv is the hw accel |
| 17:11.45 | liable | ricardo: praise $diety |
| 17:11.49 | nathan | dpkg: gentoo supports a port w/ the bsd kernel as well |
| 17:12.03 | ricardo | ill post what i did so we can lock this down |
| 17:12.17 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 17:12.17 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:12.21 | abrotman | mikkel: so you're going to have to check the unichrome website |
| 17:12.36 | liable | ricardo: paste your interfaces file, your ifconfig -a output too |
| 17:12.45 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 17:12.45 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:12.49 | jetscreamer | no not here |
| 17:12.53 | jetscreamer | just paste the link |
| 17:13.04 | liable | jetscreamer: he knows :) |
| 17:13.11 | jetscreamer | just checking :) |
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| 17:13.23 | ricardo | liable ok |
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| 17:14.14 | wols | "echte" mikkel nowhere? |
| 17:14.23 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg-video-via etch |
| 17:14.28 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-via: (X.Org X server -- VIA display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.2.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 17:14.34 | jetscreamer | got that? |
| 17:14.46 | themill | jetscreamer: that driver is a pretty old POS |
| 17:15.15 | wols | themill: it's a for a via chip. what did you expect? |
| 17:15.18 | jetscreamer | upgrade to experimental? |
| 17:15.30 | themill | wols: :) |
| 17:17.58 | kenji | guys I need help installing varnish |
| 17:18.17 | kenji | Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/LpTGtu22.html |
| 17:18.23 | kenji | can you give me a hand? |
| 17:18.43 | abrotman | !find crti.o etch |
| 17:18.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'crti.o' (2): (/usr/lib/crti.o) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/lib64/crti.o) in libdevel/libc6-dev-amd64. |
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| 17:19.02 | abrotman | kenjy: intsall libc6-dev |
| 17:19.11 | ricardo | liable everybody , Shes alive !!!! http://paste.debian.net/36351 |
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| 17:19.17 | kenjy | abrotman why libc6-dev is not a dependency of varnish? |
| 17:19.26 | amphi | ricardo: who is? |
| 17:19.28 | abrotman | kenjy: NFC ... install it .. then see if it works |
| 17:19.45 | ricardo | liable should i update my sytsem now ? |
| 17:20.36 | liable | ricardo: yes, you can do whatever you like now :) |
| 17:20.37 | kenjy | abrotman its working now |
| 17:20.45 | abrotman | kenjy: is this on etch ? |
| 17:20.49 | liable | ricardo: just remember how you got the internet to work :) |
| 17:20.50 | kenjy | yes abrotman |
| 17:20.57 | kenjy | abrotman: why libc6-dev is not a dep of varnish? |
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| 17:21.22 | abrotman | kenjy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420960 |
| 17:21.25 | liable | ricardo: do you have firewire in that box? |
| 17:21.48 | ricardo | liable i gonna pstes it on all the help forums ive used and i might even frame it |
| 17:22.00 | liable | ricardo: paste your lspci output for me |
| 17:22.10 | abrotman | kenjy: append the bug .. state that you have the same issue |
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| 17:22.21 | ricardo | liable ok |
| 17:22.25 | Yggdrasil | how do i tell ssh to connect onto a differetn port ? ssh 192.168.0.1:222 ? |
| 17:22.26 | kenjy | abrotman: Im running on debian amd64, but I installed libc6-dev not libc6-dev-amd64 is it ok? |
| 17:22.43 | themill | Yggdrasil: -p (man ssh) |
| 17:22.50 | abrotman | kenjy: i'd imagine it pulls that in .. dunno .. maybe install them both! |
| 17:23.04 | Wyzard | kenjy: libc6-dev is for compiling software from source... varnish appears to be an HTTP proxy, which is already compiled |
| 17:23.13 | Wyzard | kenjy: Why should varnish depend on libc6-dev? |
| 17:23.15 | liable | ricardo: paste your lsmod output too |
| 17:23.26 | themill | Wyzard: have a look at kenjy's pastebin ^^ |
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| 17:24.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's broken .. |
| 17:24.06 | ricardo | liable http://paste.debian.net/36352 |
| 17:24.11 | kenjy | Wyzard http://rafb.net/p/LpTGtu22.html |
| 17:24.40 | liable | ricardo: lsmod output please |
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| 17:25.05 | liable | ricardo: give me lcpsi -vv too please |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: why it does .. NFC .. but it apparently does |
| 17:25.08 | ricardo | laible http://paste.debian.net/36353 |
| 17:25.15 | ricardo | ok |
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| 17:25.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: shouldn't you be at work ? |
| 17:25.35 | abrotman | wait .. ignore that |
| 17:26.09 | ricardo | liable cpc3-seve3-0-0-cust864:/home/daniel# lcpsi -vv |
| 17:26.09 | ricardo | bash: lcpsi: command not found |
| 17:26.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm changing jobs -- not working anywhere this week |
| 17:26.23 | liable | ricardo: do 'modprobe -r ieee1394' then give me your ifconfig -a output |
| 17:26.29 | liable | ricardo: typo |
| 17:26.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: companies .. or jobs ? |
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| 17:26.48 | ricardo | ok |
| 17:26.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: companies |
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| 17:26.56 | Wyzard | hmm... varnish does recommend libc6-dev |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. that's fun .. i think :) |
| 17:26.59 | liable | ricardo: the command was lspci -vv |
| 17:27.01 | Wyzard | and it depends on GCC for some reason |
| 17:27.03 | SoulChild | hi all,...hmmm i just compiled my first kernel but after the root device has been mounted i get a kernel panic. is there a site which describes the main features, that need to be activated in menuconfig ??? |
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| 17:27.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: kind of weird isn't it .. though i don't know what varnish is |
| 17:27.32 | abrotman | yeah! |
| 17:27.36 | abrotman | that is pretty odd |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: do you have to move .. or still in the same area ? |
| 17:28.12 | abrotman | why am i takling about this in the channel :) |
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| 17:29.02 | Wyzard | moving to MD... I guess you could say my job this week is packing :-) |
| 17:29.06 | Wyzard | which I ought to be doing right now, actually |
| 17:29.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:29.16 | thelostbutler | hello folks can some one please help me understand what is going on with the apache config debian/etch/apache 2.2 http://rafb.net/p/iSlidX84.html |
| 17:29.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: hopefully annapolis .. the rest is trash! :) |
| 17:30.05 | abrotman | thelostbutler: isn't it just "DocumentRoot" ? |
| 17:30.06 | ricardo | liable http://paste.debian.net/36356 |
| 17:30.19 | Wyzard | "Internal error: GCC returned 0x0100" -- when running "/etc/init.d/varnish start" |
| 17:30.31 | Wyzard | The initscript doesn't run GCC, so the daemon itself must be doing so |
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| 17:30.40 | abrotman | that's a goofy http accel |
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| 17:32.42 | Grey_ | Sound broke on my laptop going 2.6.18->2.6.22 |
| 17:33.05 | Grey_ | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
| 17:33.12 | zinx | broke? |
| 17:33.20 | Grey_ | as in doesn't work. |
| 17:33.24 | zinx | !doesn't work |
| 17:33.24 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:33.30 | Wyzard | indeed, running varnishd manually with the same set of options yields the same message |
| 17:33.50 | zinx | there are a lot of ways it can fail to work |
| 17:33.55 | Grey_ | zinx, lets put it this way: No amount of moving sliders in audio settings will gasp a sound out of my laptop. |
| 17:34.02 | zinx | so then it *is* detected |
| 17:34.02 | abrotman | will someone fix dawnlight's irc client ? |
| 17:34.05 | liable | ricardo: ok, i was going to try and fix your ifaces a bit, but i think i'll just leave it for now |
| 17:34.18 | liable | ricardo: enjoy your net on debian :) |
| 17:34.26 | zinx | (that's quite useful to know) |
| 17:34.29 | ricardo | yeah i need to celebrate with a choclate muffin |
| 17:34.42 | ricardo | thanks so much fo |
| 17:34.48 | abrotman | do they have those at the cafe ? |
| 17:34.55 | abrotman | and how many have you had in the last week ? |
| 17:34.56 | Grey_ | yeah, and the only difference is the kernel |
| 17:35.06 | abrotman | Grey_: is that all? :) |
| 17:35.07 | zinx | Grey_: is there anything notable in the 'dmesg' output? you can paste it to a pastebin or something (but not in the channel please) |
| 17:35.12 | abrotman | Wyzard: same type of work or something more fun ? |
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| 17:35.38 | ricardo | for your help liable . i cant type im shaking |
| 17:35.49 | Grey_ | zinx, not that I can see |
| 17:35.52 | Wyzard | still a software engineer, but should be more interesting new development rather than legacy code maintenance |
| 17:35.53 | Grey_ | shall I post the whole lot? |
| 17:36.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: that sounds way more fun :) |
| 17:36.20 | Wyzard | hmm, ltrace on varnish reveals that it's calling a "VCC_CompileFile" function |
| 17:36.25 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:36.36 | liable | ricardo: yw |
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| 17:37.54 | ricardo | they are playing john lenon imagine all the people in here and im close to tears after all this |
| 17:38.09 | huck2000 | my system hangs at nfs common utilities: statd when it's booting up... is there a way to stop this? Can I disable statd without any problems? |
| 17:38.09 | ricardo | thanks everybody |
| 17:39.02 | abrotman | huck2000: are you using nfs ? |
| 17:39.14 | huck2000 | abrot |
| 17:39.17 | abrotman | huck |
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| 17:39.32 | huck2000 | abrotman: it's loading, it's on my laptop... not a server |
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| 17:39.37 | landoman | hi to everybody |
| 17:39.42 | abrotman | huck2000: so you're not using nfs at all ?> |
| 17:39.52 | landoman | someone to speak in spanish ?? |
| 17:39.55 | Wyzard | VCC_CompileFile seems to be part of varnish's "libvcl", which has its code here: http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/browser/trunk/varnish-cache/lib/libvcl |
| 17:39.55 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:39.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:39.58 | huck2000 | abrotman: not sure, i'm still somewhat of a newbie to debian |
| 17:40.02 | landoman | please send private |
| 17:40.05 | Wyzard | the "syntax.txt" in that directory seems to be a grammar description |
| 17:40.09 | abrotman | huck2000: well .. if you don't know .. just remove the nfs stuff .. |
| 17:40.15 | abrotman | you'll know quickly if oyu needed it :) |
| 17:40.24 | huck2000 | abrotman: in the initd.d folder? |
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| 17:40.36 | abrotman | huck2000: dpkg -l *nfs* .. see any packages ? |
| 17:40.44 | huck2000 | abrotman: let me check |
| 17:40.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/browser/trunk/varnish-cache/lib/libvcl/sample.vcl -- apparently it generates code from things like this and tries to compile them |
| 17:41.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's foul |
| 17:41.05 | kenjy | guys I tryed to setup the varnish debian package from the varnish web site but it don't work, so I did apt-get remove --purge varnish and it sayd Package varnish is not installed, so not removed, but if I do dpkg -l |grep varnish it show it, how can I remove that package? |
| 17:41.08 | Wyzard | quite |
| 17:41.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge |
| 17:41.26 | abrotman | kenjy: apt-get -f install |
| 17:41.51 | huck2000 | abrotman: yes, they're there |
| 17:42.05 | kenjy | abrotman: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. but dpkg show it |
| 17:42.15 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge |
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| 17:42.45 | dogmeat | folks, im running debian_version 3.0, and have etch in the apt sources.list, will this be a problem? |
| 17:42.50 | landoman | someone to talk in spanish.. with me, I need some little help ..cant start X server. |
| 17:42.58 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 17:42.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:43.12 | kenjy | tnks jetscreamer |
| 17:43.13 | landoman | ok |
| 17:43.15 | landoman | gracias |
| 17:43.15 | abrotman | huck2000: try removing them |
| 17:43.24 | abrotman | dogmeat: you're doing what ? |
| 17:43.35 | huck2000 | abrotman: will do... i'll check back if there's any problems. Thanks! |
| 17:43.44 | dogmeat | installing a basic system |
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| 17:43.55 | abrotman | dogmeat: 3.0 or 4.0 ? |
| 17:44.00 | dogmeat | 3.0 |
| 17:44.12 | abrotman | so you have a woody box with etch sources ? |
| 17:44.26 | dogmeat | apparently this is the case |
| 17:44.28 | Wyzard | dogmeat: skipping a version isn't supported for upgrades |
| 17:44.36 | Wyzard | dogmeat: Upgrade to sarge first, then to etch |
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| 17:44.55 | dogmeat | Wyzard, how would i upgrade to sarge first? |
| 17:44.59 | abrotman | dogmeat: you must go woody->sarge->etch |
| 17:45.03 | abrotman | !tell dogmeat about woody->sarge |
| 17:45.07 | abrotman | !tell dogmeat about sarge->etch |
| 17:45.12 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 17:45.22 | kenjy | ./autogen.sh: line 40: aclocal: command not found there is not aclocal or package, I tryed searching on packages.debian.org |
| 17:45.39 | kenjy | where is the aclocal package? |
| 17:45.44 | azeem | kenjy: it's part of automake |
| 17:45.54 | azeem | kenjy: /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:47.17 | huck2000 | abrotman: Thanks! Worked like a charm |
| 17:47.21 | jerome | hum, varnish is popular tonight. |
| 17:47.25 | robboplus | will it "just work" with dpkg -i on etch? linux-image-2.6.21-2-686_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_i386.deb |
| 17:47.35 | kenjy | azeem why if I do a files and directoryes search on packages.debian.org it is not showed? |
| 17:47.36 | abrotman | huck2000: glad to hear it |
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| 17:47.50 | DexterF | can I install debian from within another running linux? |
| 17:47.51 | kenjy | azeem: You have searched for packages that names contain aclocal in all suites, all sections, and all architectures . |
| 17:47.51 | kenjy | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 17:48.01 | abrotman | isn't the search broken ? |
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| 17:48.32 | kenjy | abrotman I can't know if the search is broken ¬¬ I don't manage debian.org ¬¬ |
| 17:48.34 | azeem | kenjy: because the search only works from the end, and the files are aclocal-1.6/aclocal-1.8/aclocal-1.9 etc |
| 17:48.40 | jerome | DexterF: almost. |
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| 17:49.04 | azeem | it's not broken, they just reduced funcionality |
| 17:49.13 | jerome | DexterF: there are many ways. The first and simplest one being chroot (debootstrap) |
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| 17:50.15 | SoulChild | Okay,... i just compiled my first kernel but i get this error: "init: unable to open control socket: Adress family not supported" any ideas ??? |
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| 17:51.28 | ameyer | SoulChild: probably didn't compile with support for IPv6, ehich isn't a big deal since nobody actually uses IPv6 |
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| 17:52.18 | ameyer | actually, might be a good thing because IPv6 has been shown to be a bit of a security risk at times, and probably should be disabled unless you're actually using it |
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| 17:52.36 | Supaplex | init could care less about ipv6. it's probly unix domain sockets |
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| 17:54.09 | dogmeat | abrotman, since i had etch in the sources.list, and tried to install some packages that forced uninstall of basic packages like e2fsprogs sysv-rc i haven't been able to fix it using apt-get -f install after removing etch references from /apt/sources.list. the errors reported are 'dpkg: 'update-rc.d' not found on PATH since sysv-rc isn't installed. any way to fix this situation? |
| 17:54.23 | ameyer | Supaplex: the way I'm thinking, an init script wants ipv6 |
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| 17:55.26 | Supaplex | then the initscript should complain, not init. |
| 17:56.26 | jetscreamer | try the fix-unmet factoid |
| 17:56.45 | jetscreamer | it 'has' worked where apt-get -f and aptitude -f didn't work |
| 17:56.58 | jetscreamer | but you're probably hosed |
| 17:56.59 | dogmeat | jetscreamer, where is this factoid? |
| 17:57.10 | SoulChild | ameyer: i deactivated ipv6 but do i really need it ??? |
| 17:57.10 | jetscreamer | !tell dogmeat -about fix-unmet |
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| 17:59.18 | nostWRK | is "admin" an important user under debian ? |
| 17:59.31 | nostWRK | i have a hacker who seems to be using that account :/ |
| 17:59.57 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 17:59.57 | dpkg | somebody said e2fsprogs loop was you are running package older than the sarge release and are trying to upgrade to etch or later. skipping releases is not supported. you must first upgrade to sarge, then to etch. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace 'testing' or 'etch' or 'stable' or 'unstable' with 'sarge' then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' then ask me about <sarge->etch> for instruction on upgrading to etch |
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| 18:01.21 | wols | nostWRK: it's not. e.g. my debian server doesn't have an "admin" account |
| 18:01.31 | wols | probably debian doesn't have such an acc |
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| 18:01.45 | liable | nostWRK: thats what the script kiddies use for ssh brute force attacks often |
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| 18:01.51 | nostWRK | i'm trying to find out more about how he got in but i seem to be having a problem |
| 18:01.58 | nostWRK | liable: right on top. he's ssh scanning |
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| 18:02.45 | nostWRK | liable: how he got in is beyond my comprehension though... isn't the 'admin' user supposed to be locked out from login? |
| 18:02.53 | petemc | nostWRK: sounds like one of the automated worms, do you have accounts with weak passwords? |
| 18:02.54 | liable | nostWRK: huh? |
| 18:03.00 | nostWRK | the entry now has a password listen in the shadow file, and the 'hacker' is logged in directly from ssh |
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| 18:03.16 | liable | nostWRK: unless you have a user account named 'admin' then he didnt get in using that account |
| 18:03.30 | nostWRK | petemc: not that i'm aware of. |
| 18:03.32 | abrotman | nostWRK: what's the UID of "admin" ? |
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| 18:03.47 | abrotman | DawnLight: fix your IRC |
| 18:03.56 | liable | nostWRK: do you know what you are talking about? |
| 18:04.18 | nostWRK | liable: sorry, i'm probably not being clear... i don't know how he originally got in, right now i have an admin user with a password which he uses to log in, but i thought the admin user originally would be 'locked out' from login (having an x in the shadow file) |
| 18:04.24 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.30 | nostWRK | liable: normally yes. i'm a bit hyped though, sorry |
| 18:04.33 | liable | oops echan |
| 18:04.34 | Rhoruns | how do i end a process? |
| 18:04.35 | nostWRK | abrotman: 1000 |
| 18:04.56 | abrotman | nostWRK: that's not a Debian created account AFAIK |
| 18:04.57 | troubled | robboplus: enigma! |
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| 18:05.09 | troubled | s/i/1/ ;) |
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| 18:05.18 | abrotman | 1000 is usually the first user account created |
| 18:05.24 | liable | yerp |
| 18:05.43 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:05.47 | nostWRK | yes... and the real name field has "Debian Admin,,,".. the 3 comma's kinda look like someone actually created it trying to fake a default user of sorts |
| 18:05.53 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:05.57 | liable | nostWRK: debian doesnt create *any* default accounts with ssh access except the ones you tell it to and root |
| 18:05.59 | dogmeat | c |
| 18:06.29 | liable | nostWRK: show us your auth.log when he logged in |
| 18:06.32 | nostWRK | liable: which is why i was talking about the 'locked out' stuff in the beginning. i was supposing 'admin' was a default acct with no access and he somehow hacked my box and gave admin a pwd for later accessing |
| 18:06.33 | abrotman | maybe some schmuck installed the box .. and created that account during the install .. and left the passwd blank :) |
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| 18:06.56 | nostWRK | abrotman: i am really starting to wonder that. the isp is full with retards there... |
| 18:06.57 | liable | nostWRK: there is no such account on debian |
| 18:07.10 | abrotman | nostWRK: 'admin' is not a default account .. and usually Debian boxes start user account UIDs at 1000 |
| 18:07.18 | liable | abrotman: with a uid 1000 i wouldnt be surprised |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | (that can be changed though |
| 18:07.33 | nostWRK | Sep 5 11:20:22 biebel sshd[12500]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for admin from 83.19.4.46 port 3367 ssh2 |
| 18:07.44 | nostWRK | heh |
| 18:07.56 | nostWRK | ok, i see a whole lot of entries where he logs in with different ips |
| 18:08.04 | nostWRK | i was recently having a support issue |
| 18:08.08 | abrotman | nostWRK: do you know anyone in poland ? |
| 18:08.33 | nostWRK | how big are the chance is the dumb support dude created a dumb password for the admin account for his own use... |
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| 18:08.50 | nostWRK | abrotman: no. but there are alot of other ip's really. checking them out atm. |
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| 18:09.11 | troubled | abrotman: what do you think? > http://pastebin.ca/raw/682686 |
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| 18:10.22 | liable | its a woman? |
| 18:10.22 | abrotman | troubled: wtf is that .. |
| 18:10.31 | nostWRK | so i'm guessing right now the best thing to do is lock him out and remove the admin user? |
| 18:10.48 | troubled | abrotman: /conclusions |
| 18:10.49 | wols | anyone having a suggestion for this: http://paste2.org/p/6787 The system ran X before withour a problem. now I wanted to startx again after some time and I see this |
| 18:10.51 | liable | nostWRK: check its bash_history first |
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| 18:11.25 | abrotman | troubled: that's some weak evidence :) |
| 18:11.33 | liable | nostWRK: if its a hosted box, then ring them and ask if they have access to your box |
| 18:11.33 | nostWRK | liable: it has a home dir listed in passwd file but it doesn't exist, i had already looked for that ;) |
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| 18:11.53 | liable | nostWRK: then i would be unplugging that box |
| 18:11.55 | troubled | abrotman: yea, its rough |
| 18:12.25 | abrotman | troubled: and uhm .. what good is it ? :) |
| 18:12.33 | nostWRK | liable: i'm going to try to get a hold of them anyways. i hope it is they who added the account and fucked up, at least then i know how they got in and it was just a dumb skript kiddie scan... |
| 18:12.52 | troubled | abrotman: none really other than help see who "might" be who :) |
| 18:13.09 | troubled | abrotman: i give that one a 30% chance :) |
| 18:13.10 | abrotman | troubled: well .. mchsi is in the states ... |
| 18:13.19 | Sebboh | Hi. Some fonts are missing from some flash websites. How do I know which font I need to install? example: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=goog+aapl ..on my windows PC, I see text next to the red and blue dots, but on my debian box, I do not. |
| 18:13.21 | troubled | abrotman: bounces are assumed |
| 18:13.28 | abrotman | yeah .. i got that |
| 18:13.56 | liable | nostWRK: if you have multiple logins to that account from different ips' then you are going to have to reinstall unless they have a damn good reason otherwise |
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| 18:14.25 | abrotman | troubled: dunno .. seems very weak |
| 18:14.35 | liable | troubled: what are you suggesting? |
| 18:14.38 | DawnLight | abrotman: i sometimes have big lag with freenode servers. i am thankful that it works when it does |
| 18:14.45 | nostWRK | liable: well, i'm pretty convinced that the box got hacked. i just want to find out what happened. |
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| 18:14.57 | abrotman | troubled: but some have theorized that en and snowbird might be the same |
| 18:15.05 | nostWRK | liable: a reinstall is probably going to be needed anyways :( |
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| 18:15.47 | liable | snowbird is just a confused individual who cant type |
| 18:15.48 | troubled | abrotman: im just playing around to see what I can dig up based on "slip ups". ill check snowbird and see, although iirc, snowbird = cr0nd0g = Nyle = stoned |
| 18:15.54 | liable | and doesnt make any sense |
| 18:16.00 | nostWRK | liable: on top of that, the many ips make me think the admin password is ridiculously easy and prone to ssh scanners |
| 18:16.05 | troubled | i recall that nick coming up in a few searchs |
| 18:16.07 | Sebboh | nost, take an image of the drive, and look at it in your leisure. Take the box offline NOW, so that they won't be able to serve up phishing sites off of it, or other nefarious deeds. |
| 18:16.19 | abrotman | troubled: uhm .. no .. Nyle is stoned .. but snowbird and cr0nd0g are also different IIRC |
| 18:16.43 | liable | nostWRK: most likely |
| 18:16.53 | troubled | abrotman: cr0nd0g is 99% stoned |
| 18:17.13 | Sebboh | fonts are missing from flash! what do I do? |
| 18:17.14 | abrotman | argh .. troubled has invites off! |
| 18:17.30 | abrotman | troubled: #-ot |
| 18:17.34 | troubled | abrotman: +C ;/ msg the channel |
| 18:17.36 | troubled | ok |
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| 18:17.40 | nostWRK | the "somewhat good" thing is that i don't think they ever got further than the admin user. kernel has grsec and so far nothing "suspicious" found.. as far as it's still trustworthy... |
| 18:18.03 | wols | anyone having a suggestion for this Xorg.log: http://paste2.org/p/6787 ? |
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| 18:18.32 | abrotman | wols: install some fonts |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:18.40 | dalias | nostwrk, as long as there are no local vulns, reinstall isn't needed. just removing the admin user should fix it all |
| 18:18.49 | troubled | ? |
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| 18:19.04 | abrotman | troubled: #-ot! |
| 18:19.16 | liable | wols: vesa work? |
| 18:19.24 | troubled | abrotman: its empty |
| 18:19.33 | liable | haha |
| 18:19.38 | Sebboh | sigh |
| 18:19.41 | nostWRK | dalias: the box is an up to date stable etch with a grsec kernel. but still, there's no way i can be _really_ sure they didn't get root, since if they did, they could probably hide it... |
| 18:19.45 | liable | troubled: #debian-ot :) |
| 18:19.54 | abrotman | -offtopic |
| 18:19.56 | troubled | liable: i thought so, i was there, was empty too |
| 18:20.02 | Sebboh | troubled you might want to take +C off for a minute when you know he's trying to talk to you. =) |
| 18:20.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:20.52 | liable | ot is bitchy |
| 18:20.58 | abrotman | iti s ? |
| 18:21.07 | Sebboh | better bitchy there than here. |
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| 18:21.33 | abrotman | which is what i'm trying to prevent :) |
| 18:21.40 | Sebboh | ;) indeed. |
| 18:22.31 | troubled | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/raw/682703 |
| 18:22.47 | abrotman | troubled: #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:22.54 | troubled | abrotman: invite me |
| 18:22.57 | wols | liable: VESA doesn't work :( |
| 18:22.59 | Sebboh | freenode is really weird to me.. All these people, tons of people. And hardly any IRC manners at all. |
| 18:23.07 | abrotman | can't! |
| 18:23.08 | wols | liable: same error: no screens found |
| 18:23.14 | Sebboh | HE CAN'T INVITE YOU IF YOU ARE +C |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | wols: FONTS! |
| 18:23.20 | liable | wols: similar log though? |
| 18:23.24 | abrotman | actually .. he's +I i think |
| 18:23.47 | Sebboh | or +g, whatever, varies from ircd to ircd, but, yeah, server side ignore. =) |
| 18:23.48 | waspius | hi does anyone know how i can setup virtual java support on my pc?because i downloaded the linux test prep certification |
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| 18:23.58 | Sebboh | Most of them, he can whitelist you by sending you a message... |
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| 18:24.30 | Sebboh | waspius: what is virtual java support? |
| 18:24.37 | liable | wols: some hardware issues there me thinks |
| 18:24.37 | wols | liable: yes. similar log :( |
| 18:24.43 | Sebboh | waspius: I know what a java virtual machine is. |
| 18:24.44 | waspius | Sebboh: java that runs virtually? |
| 18:24.52 | wols | abrotman: ii xfonts-base 1:1.0.0-5 standard fonts for X |
| 18:24.59 | liable | wols: got another slot? |
| 18:25.00 | waspius | :S i dont knwo really...sorry |
| 18:25.04 | jetscreamer | wols: so does it work with the nvidia driver :o |
| 18:25.11 | wols | abrotman: as I said: it has worked before. no clue why it doesn't anymore. but then it's sid... |
| 18:25.15 | Sebboh | waspius: right.. Java that runs virtually.. Uh, you are looking for the java virtual machine! |
| 18:25.30 | waspius | Sebboh: ok!!!:) so what do i need to do? |
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| 18:25.35 | wols | jetscreamer: I tried nvidia, nv and now VESA. all have the same error. no screens found |
| 18:25.44 | abrotman | wols: comment out the font lines in your xorg.conf |
| 18:25.46 | wols | jetscreamer: all after trying to load the videocard driver |
| 18:25.56 | liable | abrotman: thats not the problem though |
| 18:26.13 | abrotman | i've seen it before |
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| 18:26.42 | liable | wols: i dont recall ever seeing an acpi error in an xorg log before |
| 18:26.44 | Sebboh | waspius: you can get that by installing the sun java SDK or the sun java JRE. Now, this is a touchy topic in Debian I guess.. Even though the sun packages are in official now, some people want to support the others. (Personally I have zero time to waste on any fringe implementation--this is not a hobby, it is work.) |
| 18:26.45 | wols | abrotman: no screens found after #-ing all Fontpath lines |
| 18:26.45 | jetscreamer | wols: what happens if you comment out the mode lines (1024x768 et al) and the v&h rates for the monitor section |
| 18:26.54 | jetscreamer | let it autodetect |
| 18:27.12 | liable | wols: got another slot? |
| 18:27.15 | wols | jetscreamer: there is no monitor attached. no keyboard and no mouse... :) all I have is a videocard |
| 18:27.17 | Sebboh | waspius: so, apt-cache search sun java |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | wols: so .. starting X is for fun ? |
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| 18:27.34 | waspius | Sebboh: thanx!! |
| 18:27.35 | jetscreamer | also does the card work in another box or another card in the box |
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| 18:27.43 | wols | abrotman: not totally. wanna start a program on it and run over long periods of time |
| 18:27.46 | jetscreamer | but you know all that |
| 18:27.50 | wols | and use vnc or freenx to look at it |
| 18:28.04 | abrotman | oj |
| 18:28.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:28.07 | wols | jetscreamer: all I can say it worked 2 months ago :) |
| 18:28.09 | nostWRK | hmm, if userdel tells me the admin user is still logged in after i killed it's processes and it doesn't show up in the 'w' list.. should i be worried? |
| 18:28.22 | wols | and I haven't changed config since |
| 18:28.35 | Sebboh | wols, XDMCP might be better for that.. I dunno, maybe freeNX can do that sort of thing. I haven't looked into it yet because last I checked it wasn't debianfied. |
| 18:28.55 | wols | Sebboh: I need sort of a "screen" for X. XDMCP can't do that afaik |
| 18:29.11 | Sebboh | wols, you would run the x server on the client box.... |
| 18:29.13 | waspius | Sebboh: ok..well which one from all those do i use?sorry:( |
| 18:29.13 | jetscreamer | not really, but might have been a function of upgrades |
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| 18:30.10 | Sebboh | waspius: I dunno! Which do you need? Try googling around to learn the difference between the JRE and the SDK. Wikipedia is a good source. http://www.google.com/search?q=site:wikipedia.org+jre+sdk+java |
| 18:30.52 | wols | Sebboh: if you can tell me how the xclient would continue to run without an X server to attach to... |
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| 18:31.33 | dav_it | who can I contact for infos about consultants? |
| 18:31.47 | karsten | wols: Now that's what I would call tenacity. |
| 18:32.01 | liable | dav_it: its on the debian.org front page, left side iirc |
| 18:32.05 | jetscreamer | there's a link on debian.org dav_it |
| 18:32.05 | karsten | dav_it: What sort of consultants? What sort of info? |
| 18:32.14 | karsten | dav_it: And what jetscreamer said. |
| 18:32.16 | Sebboh | wols you know how all applications that run in X actually "connect" to the display, as like the first step? That's why you get "error cannot connect to $DISPLAY" when you try to start an X app from terminal when you have done sudo or something.. Anyway.. That's how XDMC works. You run the server (the display) on your workstation and run your application (which connects to your X server, the display) on the headless box. |
| 18:32.57 | streuner | Why would a gentoo dev need a debian consulant? |
| 18:33.11 | karsten | streuner: Reality check. |
| 18:33.12 | jaalto | Would someone know if dpkg developers have their own channel? |
| 18:33.21 | liable | none of our business really |
| 18:33.22 | dav_it | streuner: I'll work on deb |
| 18:33.28 | jetscreamer | yes they would and yes they do |
| 18:33.36 | streuner | jaalto: i guess there arent many |
| 18:33.37 | Sebboh | wols, Well, there is something called 'screen for X' I believe.. there are various 'X detach session' tools. |
| 18:33.38 | jetscreamer | debian-devel maybe |
| 18:33.40 | wols | karsten: stop shooting from the pea gallery. give me a hint how to solve the "no screens found" |
| 18:33.46 | jaalto | jetscreamer: what the name of the channel and irc server? |
| 18:33.46 | jetscreamer | #d-i |
| 18:33.52 | jetscreamer | err |
| 18:33.56 | karsten | wols: Context? |
| 18:34.04 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 18:34.04 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:34.06 | karsten | wols: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 18:34.09 | wols | http://paste2.org/p/6787 |
| 18:34.10 | dav_it | streuner: however I need some infos. This doesn't mean that I want to be a consultant |
| 18:34.21 | jetscreamer | !dev |
| 18:34.25 | jetscreamer | !devel |
| 18:34.27 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:34.32 | karsten | wols: You've got an invalid X config file, try regenerating it for starters, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:34.37 | wols | karsten: tried nv, nvidia and vesa. all same error. box is headless, has no keyboard or mouse. worked before and ran X tho |
| 18:34.38 | jetscreamer | #debian-devel iirc |
| 18:34.49 | jetscreamer | probably on oftc |
| 18:34.53 | jaalto | jetscreamer: Here or irc.debian.org? |
| 18:34.56 | streuner | dav_it: what kind of info? |
| 18:35.04 | jetscreamer | oftc is debian.org iirc |
| 18:35.09 | dav_it | however, I sent an e-mail to the address that I found in that page, but noone answered me |
| 18:35.10 | streuner | sure |
| 18:35.14 | jaalto | jetscreamer: ok, thanks |
| 18:35.14 | jetscreamer | debian.org just points there |
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| 18:35.50 | wols | karsten: you already saw the xorg.log. http://paste2.org/p/6788 is the xorg.conf for it |
| 18:35.53 | dav_it | streuner: "some infos" |
| 18:36.08 | dav_it | streuner: I sent a mail 2 months ago, but noone answered |
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| 18:36.25 | karsten | wols: lspci -v | grep -C4 VGA |
| 18:36.36 | karsten | wols: Yeah. Wrong driver, basically. |
| 18:36.42 | streuner | give us more infos, or we cant help |
| 18:36.56 | karsten | wols: Try setting up svga/vesa for starters. Unaccelerated, but should work. |
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| 18:36.58 | jetscreamer | wols: frambuffer? i've had a few problems lately when i try to use vga=anything_but_normal ... but it's not 'all' the time |
| 18:37.12 | wols | http://paste2.org/p/6789 |
| 18:37.29 | wols | this "unknown header" scares me. VESA doesn't work either tho |
| 18:37.33 | jetscreamer | and the problems are xorg hangs blackscreen |
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| 18:37.49 | wols | jetscreamer: no framebuffer. self compiled kernel months ago (same kernel worked before) |
| 18:38.00 | xingu | wols: xserver-xorg-video-dummy was made for you |
| 18:38.14 | wols | xingu: is this xvfb like? |
| 18:38.21 | karsten | wols: What kernel? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 18:38.23 | jetscreamer | card is borked |
| 18:38.29 | jetscreamer | !xingu++ |
| 18:38.42 | wols | 2.6.20.6 |
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| 18:39.08 | SoulChild | hey i just compiled a vanilla kernel but i get: "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt_464c" at boot ,.. any ideas ??? |
| 18:39.09 | jetscreamer | i've had a card that worked in console, but soon as i tried for gui.. bork |
| 18:39.15 | karsten | wols: OK. I'm tapped out, don't do Nvidia. ATI's just announced spec support for its chipsets. |
| 18:39.22 | wols | xingu: thanks! dummy is working |
| 18:39.32 | karsten | !ati |
| 18:39.32 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 18:39.51 | karsten | ati is also and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 18:39.57 | karsten | dpkg: ati is also and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 18:39.57 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 18:40.00 | karsten | !ati |
| 18:40.00 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 18:40.12 | wols | karsten: they also announced "open source drivers" a year ago :) |
| 18:40.18 | Grey_ | Question: can I pipe audio from my machine to another across the room? |
| 18:40.20 | karsten | wols: ATI? |
| 18:40.22 | Grey_ | If not, why not? |
| 18:40.25 | karsten | wols: Or Nvidia? |
| 18:40.35 | wols | karsten: an ati (or AMD) marketing VP yes |
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| 18:40.45 | Grey_ | Currently I'm running rhythmbox on a *server* |
| 18:40.46 | karsten | wols: http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ |
| 18:40.48 | abrotman | karsten: specs? or vague mention of specs ? |
| 18:40.55 | Grey_ | because my audio is broken on the laptop |
| 18:40.56 | wols | karsten: I know the new announcement |
| 18:40.57 | abrotman | right .. vague mention of specs |
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| 18:41.01 | Grey_ | but the server had a working audio card. |
| 18:41.01 | abrotman | not open yet |
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| 18:42.04 | shyam | hi |
| 18:42.23 | karsten | abrotman: Right. But progress all the same. |
| 18:42.52 | abrotman | karsten: if it actually happens |
| 18:42.52 | madclicker | is there a way for linux to report ip conflicts? |
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| 18:42.59 | abrotman | karsten: see Java |
| 18:43.11 | wols | karsten: it's only progress if the specs are told. and told for future cards too. and r300 and r400 as well |
| 18:43.33 | azi_ | at each reboot the content of /tmp is removed. is it enough if remove the bootclean script to prevent that? |
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| 18:43.44 | karsten | abrotman: Even lying through your teeth and saying "yes, you're right, we should provide specs and will" is progress from "we won't give specs every, no way, no how". |
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| 18:43.59 | abrotman | how is that progress .. that's just a lie |
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| 18:44.03 | yang | I am wondering how to bypass the kernel error? in the new -686 kernels PATA drives dont want to be recognised (only as scsi), kernel only boots up to 2.6.18-686 |
| 18:44.04 | karsten | abrotman: Given Intel's progress I think it's inevitable. OTOH, I'm not holding my breath. |
| 18:44.11 | karsten | abrotman: It's a change of message and signalling. |
| 18:44.24 | abrotman | karsten: would oyu like me to start quoting MS ? |
| 18:44.49 | karsten | abrotman: And it's a tacit admission that the new lie sells better than the old truth. I'm not saying ATI are lying, or that they've delivered. I genuinely do think it's progress. |
| 18:45.04 | karsten | abrotman: No, I like you and I wouldn't want you to hurt your karmic destiny. |
| 18:45.08 | abrotman | karsten: i'll believe it when there's an open 3d driver |
| 18:45.18 | abrotman | that is actually worth something |
| 18:45.18 | jeff_hann | azi_, why do you want the contents of /tmp not to be removed? |
| 18:45.22 | xingu | wols: I assume so (xvfb like); it's used by xorg team for conformance testing; unsure if it has a (memory backed) framebuffer or not - x11perf should tell you |
| 18:45.25 | karsten | abrotman: I'll believe it then to. In the meantime, I *am* hopeful. |
| 18:45.41 | wols | xingu: it already runs. now I want to connect with freenx to it :) |
| 18:45.42 | xingu | wols: ie, by generating a real load/ with real delays/timings if it does |
| 18:46.02 | xingu | wols: normal rules; xauth, set DISPLAY |
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| 18:48.17 | azi_ | jeff_hann: well i'm making some builds in /tmp and it happend ("casually") that the machine has to reboot 3 times till now |
| 18:48.21 | xingu | wols: nb MX 400 is now out of mainline driver series; you need the 96xx driver series for it. |
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| 18:48.29 | azi_ | jeff_hann: each time i had to do a 1 hour long git clone and make.. |
| 18:48.36 | unilynx | thank god ati is finally getting something out with aiglx support.. hopefully my card is supported |
| 18:48.48 | xingu | wols: MX 400/ NV11 is prehistoric in GPU terms |
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| 18:49.18 | Eulex | and in performance |
| 18:49.20 | jeff_hann | azi_, does it have to be there? |
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| 18:49.36 | wols | xingu: but enough for X without 3D easily |
| 18:49.39 | azi_ | jeff_hann: well the guy that created the build script harcoded stuff in /tmp |
| 18:49.52 | azi_ | jeff_hann: so yes, at last untill i get my first build out of it |
| 18:49.53 | jeff_hann | change the script, then |
| 18:49.55 | wols | damn. freenx is acting up. x11vnc works fine |
| 18:49.57 | Eulex | wols, any card is ;) |
| 18:49.58 | jeff_hann | oh i see |
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| 18:50.14 | azi_ | jeff_hann: so can you confirm my question? |
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| 18:50.21 | jeff_hann | afaik, yes |
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| 18:50.26 | xerophyte | when i use the screen in xterm seems like i am accidently locking the xterm or xscreen how can i unlock it ? |
| 18:50.27 | azi_ | jeff_hann: good thanks |
| 18:50.29 | xingu | wols: sure; but the actual driver for it has been dropped sometime in the 9xxx-100.x series (I don't keep track of this stuff); my 100.x driver readme says "no soup for you, use 96xx-latest" |
| 18:50.33 | jeff_hann | :) |
| 18:50.47 | wols | xingu: nv works with ti, as does the 71xx one |
| 18:50.50 | azi_ | jeff_hann: i shall re-add bootclean as soon as i fix the script;) |
| 18:50.52 | wols | and nv would be fine for me |
| 18:51.06 | jeff_hann | azi_, don not forget |
| 18:51.13 | xingu | wols: fair do; but just so's you know if you didn't. |
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| 18:51.44 | abrotman | hrm .. find the shortest line in a text file ? |
| 18:52.03 | wols | now to fix this freenx crap. but unfortunately it's not debian software :) |
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| 18:52.31 | azi_ | jeff_hann: is there any other thing this script does? ;) |
| 18:52.42 | phill | unable to install dell photo printer 720. I downloaded the drivers (rpm tarball), since the dell 720 is a rebranded lexmark, the drivers are lexmark. I used alien and dpkg to install the drivers. But, when I use "Add a printer" the lexmark z600 never showed up.... |
| 18:52.44 | jeff_hann | yes |
| 18:53.07 | jeff_hann | google |
| 18:53.16 | xingu | abrotman: awk '{ if (length($0) < x) { x = length($0); line=$0; }; } END { print line }' <infile ? |
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| 18:54.12 | dalias | odine, nope, but using windows-1252 characters does mean you're a loser :P |
| 18:54.44 | kenjy | guys where is the ncurses package and ncurses-dev on debian etch? |
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| 18:55.26 | xingu | abrotman: minus the obvious logic fubar |
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| 18:55.56 | xingu | abrotman: awk '{ if ((!x) || (length($0) < x)) { x = length($0); line=$0; }; } END { print line }' <infile ? |
| 18:56.24 | kenjy | xingu do you know where is the ncurses package on etch? because it is not called necurses |
| 18:56.43 | phill | lost my connection, so reposting: unable to install dell photo printer 720. I downloaded the drivers (rpm tarball), since the dell 720 is a rebranded lexmark, the drivers are lexmark. I used alien and dpkg to install the drivers. But, when I use "Add a printer" the lexmark z600 never showed up.... |
| 18:56.50 | wols | petemc: you there? |
| 18:57.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:57.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:57.17 | xingu | kenjy: libncurses5 probably? |
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| 18:57.24 | wols | kenjy: apt-cache search ncurses |grep ncurses. it's libncurses* btw |
| 18:57.24 | sketchie | btw |
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| 18:57.33 | sketchie | has anyone played WoW |
| 18:57.35 | Aleksej | Should /usr/local/* be owned not by root, but by a special user? |
| 18:57.47 | kenjy | wols: no ncurses package just libncurses but I don't know if libncurses its the old ncurses package of sarge |
| 18:57.53 | wols | Aleksej: root.staff |
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| 18:58.09 | wols | !info libncurses5 etch |
| 18:58.12 | dpkg | libncurses5: (Shared libraries for terminal handling), section libs, is required. Version: 5.5-5 (etch), Packaged size: 293 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 18:58.34 | Aleksej | wols: and install stuff in there using a "staff"-group user? |
| 18:58.40 | wols | kenjy: considering the "required", you already have it |
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| 18:58.45 | pumpkin0 | i have rtorrent running on a remote server inside screen. I want to send ^S to the rtorrent. ^S is a console-command and it frezes the console. What now ? |
| 18:59.11 | wols | !wayttd kenjy |
| 18:59.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kenjy? |
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| 18:59.55 | kenjy | wols: Im trying to buid varnish from source and you ? xD |
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| 19:00.39 | wols | kenjy: you need libncurses5-dev most probably |
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| 19:01.03 | kenjy | tnks wols |
| 19:01.51 | Aleksej | wols: ok, thanks.. |
| 19:01.53 | xingu | abrotman: this one I've even tested: awk 'BEGIN { getline; x=length($0); line=$0; } { if (length($0) < x) { x=length($0); line=$0; }; } END { print line; }' </etc/passwd |
| 19:02.06 | xingu | abrotman: I dislike the initialiser, feel free to work out how to factor it out ;) |
| 19:02.32 | abrotman | xingu: i got it .. expr length $VAR |
| 19:03.06 | abrotman | xingu: that'll get me the length .. so ( expr length $VAR; echo $VAR ) >> file .. and then i can sort it etc |
| 19:03.13 | abrotman | xingu: and that's dirty! |
| 19:04.06 | en1gma | what pkg contains make-kpkg |
| 19:04.12 | xingu | abrotman: oh, well if you're special casing, awk '{ print length $0 }' | sort | head -1 |
| 19:04.15 | xingu | abrotman: :p |
| 19:04.48 | jetscreamer | kernel-package en1gma |
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| 19:05.11 | en1gma | thnx |
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| 19:05.40 | xingu | abrotman: I foolishly thought that maybe buffering an infinitely long file in memory purely so you could then sort it perhaps wasn't clever :) |
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| 19:06.16 | xingu | abrotman: my way you could even exit early on a 0 length line |
| 19:06.36 | abrotman | xingu: hehe |
| 19:06.46 | abrotman | !tell en1gma about search |
| 19:06.51 | abrotman | for the 200th damn time |
| 19:07.04 | en1gma | i know where package.debian is i did a search |
| 19:07.10 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 19:07.10 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:07.15 | en1gma | it didnt return results...maybe i just didnt do it right |
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| 19:07.32 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 19:07.35 | jetscreamer | apt-file search en1gma |
| 19:07.38 | en1gma | so be nice before you start throwin that shit my way |
| 19:07.47 | en1gma | ohh i did apt-cache search |
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| 19:07.54 | abrotman | en1gma: next read the whole 'search' factoid .. there's almost always more than one way |
| 19:07.58 | abrotman | next time |
| 19:08.03 | jetscreamer | !tell en1gma -about search |
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| 19:08.09 | abrotman | i can't type .. i blame abchirk |
| 19:08.12 | en1gma | well i went to package.debien and did a search there |
| 19:08.21 | abrotman | broken |
| 19:08.28 | jetscreamer | just type pdo |
| 19:08.32 | en1gma | i think i was searching for the package called make-kpkg when it wasnt actually a package |
| 19:08.42 | wols | what is signal 15? my freenx process is called by that |
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| 19:09.21 | xingu | wols: kill -l - sigterm. |
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| 19:11.18 | praktikant | I have a problem mounting a samba share with cifs it works with smbfs, but cifs tells me :Permission denied |
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| 19:13.34 | CalJohn | If I wanted to match *pdf, *chm or *djvu, what regex would I use? (silly question, but I've searched and can't find the answer) |
| 19:14.02 | xingu | CalJohn: '(pdf|chm|djvu)$' |
| 19:14.02 | jetscreamer | try /join #bash ? |
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| 19:15.34 | CalJohn | jetscreamer: well, seeing as regexes are used everywhere, i asked whether I might as ask here |
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| 19:16.51 | chops | So xingu helped me a great deal yesterday with my gigabit-on-Debian problems |
| 19:17.08 | xingu | chops: get to the bottom of that? |
| 19:18.24 | chops | Now I have a new bottleneck: disk I/O. My four-disk hardware RAID array seems to have way slower I/O than it should (such that even under relatively light load, sequential reads of large files happen at about 10 megabytes/second). |
| 19:18.36 | chops | Anyone feel like helping me mess about in /sys/block/sdb/queue? :-) |
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| 19:19.13 | chops | xingu: Yeah, it was getting better, but it wasn't obvious because my test involved disk I/O, which is slower than it should be. See above. |
| 19:19.43 | chops | xingu: But now that I've retuned the sysctl parameters, I get 70 megabytes/second using "nc < /dev/zero" over the production network :-) |
| 19:19.51 | xingu | chops: aaah ok; so on the raid front - is it mirror of stripe or what? |
| 19:20.12 | xingu | chops: that's not too bad going |
| 19:20.16 | chops | xingu: I've even seen perforce make it up to 20 megabytes/second on a contrived test (on a large enough file to hit cruising speed, but still small enough to fit in the buffer cache) |
| 19:20.17 | jetscreamer | CalJohn: i just meant it as yet another place to ask at the same time |
| 19:20.43 | chops | It's a striped RAID-5 |
| 19:21.10 | chops | xingu: I did tests with hdparm when I set up the server, and it was quite fast (300 megabytes/second IIRC) -- but in production it's much slower. |
| 19:21.16 | xingu | chops: there's your problem right there; your access patterns will be shot to shit |
| 19:21.22 | chops | xingu: Yeah |
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| 19:21.49 | xingu | chops: restripe as stripe of mirror. |
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| 19:22.55 | stoned | calzone |
| 19:22.57 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: you crazy :). "oh calgon, take me away!" |
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| 19:23.35 | chops | xingu: Eh? It's just a hardware RAID-5 with default options. Did I say something that implied it was something fancier? |
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| 19:23.47 | linuxtk10 | hi i need ot downgrade one version i am using leny now |
| 19:23.53 | linuxtk10 | any way i can do this easily and cleanly ? |
| 19:24.01 | chops | xingu: Oh, you mean that RAID-5 is inherently slow and I should be using RAID10 or whatever? |
| 19:24.05 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 19:24.05 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 19:24.16 | drwahl | everytime i reboot, my xserver does not load correctly, and in order to get it to work again, i have to rerun the NVIDIA installer. any ideas? |
| 19:24.26 | xingu | chops: default options on a 4-spindle pack gives you three data blocks and one parity block in each row; your io-operations, whatever else they are divisible by, are not divisible by three |
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| 19:24.52 | xingu | chops: raid5 is fine *iff* you manage layout issues; 5 spindles, 3spindles, multiples of either, but not 4 please. |
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| 19:25.12 | jetscreamer | drwahl: probably something like you still have the debian nvidia packages, or you need to edit and use http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 19:25.15 | xingu | chops: well, for values of "fine" including "sucks in both the bau-write and failed-read cases" |
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| 19:25.28 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 19:25.45 | dareth | quick question about Webalizer. |
| 19:25.50 | jetscreamer | i should clean that up but i'm lazy |
| 19:26.01 | dareth | When you run webalizer, but want to run multiple logs, do you need the -p incremental flag? |
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| 19:26.26 | linuxtk10 | jetscreamer: so in other words i cant downgrade ? :( |
| 19:26.33 | thelostbutler | hello folks is there a change in methodology on how to setup apache2 with ssl support on etch? i found a document on debian-administration that talks about using apache2-ssl-certificate which seems to be present in sarge but not etch. any clarifications would appreciated |
| 19:26.39 | linuxtk10 | i just want to downgrade one app |
| 19:27.02 | azeem | linuxtk10: which one? |
| 19:27.02 | en1gmaa | when you 'halt' the computer and it dont actually power off what modul in acpi or apm will make it shutdown |
| 19:27.06 | Bogus8 | my system won't restart or shutdown, wtf |
| 19:27.29 | edistar | Bogus8: any errors? |
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| 19:27.47 | dareth | is the system responsive still Bogus8? |
| 19:27.50 | jetscreamer | linuxtk10: you can try, but it's probably a lot easier just to !reinstall |
| 19:27.52 | Bogus8 | edistar: nope, just says "the system is going down...." but then gives me command prompt and doesn't budge |
| 19:27.55 | xingu | chops: as I said, rebuild as stripe of mirror ideally; that'll nicely park one (full width) iop across both stripe halves, and, as an added bonus protect you against *one* of the possible two-disk failure modes (think about it) with no performance penalty - except - restriping after replacment. |
| 19:27.58 | Bogus8 | dareth: completely |
| 19:28.02 | jetscreamer | !tell linuxtk10 -about reinstall |
| 19:28.11 | edistar | Bogus8: how long did you wait then? |
| 19:28.15 | dareth | can you pull up a virt term still, |
| 19:28.21 | azeem | jetscreamer: he's talking about one app |
| 19:28.25 | edistar | did you check the logs if there were any kernel errors? |
| 19:28.29 | linuxtk10 | jetscreamer: i got version 1.13 i want 1.12 |
| 19:28.43 | azeem | 21:25 < azeem> linuxtk10: which one? |
| 19:28.47 | jetscreamer | oh well give it a shot d/l whatever from pdo and dpkg -i it |
| 19:28.50 | azeem | linuxtk10: like, which app |
| 19:28.57 | Bogus8 | edistar: syslog just shows that it's shutting down and that's all |
| 19:29.03 | jetscreamer | do what azeem says linuxtk10 |
| 19:29.22 | dareth | might try ctl-alt-del, then if nothing else, hold powerbutton... |
| 19:29.25 | edistar | Bogus8: strange, and it worked with other distros? |
| 19:29.26 | Bogus8 | dareth: Umm, I'm logged in via putty |
| 19:29.38 | dareth | laugh, remote... anyone there... |
| 19:29.47 | dareth | try making a new connect |
| 19:29.50 | Bogus8 | edistar: had windows NT on this machine before.. but I've rebooted it before |
| 19:30.03 | edistar | Bogus8: okey, that can't be the problem |
| 19:30.11 | Bogus8 | dareth: yep, new connection no prob |
| 19:30.12 | edistar | Bogus8: what command do you use to shutdown? |
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| 19:30.19 | chops | xingu: Wait, what's wrong with 3? If it gets a 256k read and the stripe size is 64k, surely it will satisfy the read request like so: disk 0 reads [0, 64k) and [192k, 256k), disk 1 reads [64k, 128k), disk 2 reads [128k, 192k), disk 3 is parity and doesn't get used for the read. |
| 19:30.28 | Bogus8 | THOUGH, I can't use the kvm to actually log into the machine itself |
| 19:30.35 | Bogus8 | edistar: tried halt and reboot |
| 19:30.43 | edistar | try shutdown -r now |
| 19:30.57 | chops | xingu: Surely that's only 3/4 as good as satisfying one block from each disk, but I don't see that it's catastrophic. I get 3/2 of the space, after all... |
| 19:30.58 | edistar | Bogus8: the old way, halt and reboot does not work on my sparc either |
| 19:31.09 | chops | xingu: Am I failing to understand something? Can you point me to a doc somewhere? |
| 19:31.17 | Bogus8 | edistar: this is a regular pc and both have worked before |
| 19:31.20 | linuxtk10 | azeem: ejabberd |
| 19:31.28 | edistar | Bogus8: well, but try it anyway ;) |
| 19:31.34 | Bogus8 | edistar: that -r now didn't do any thing either |
| 19:31.40 | xingu | chops: on 3 spindles you're right; but it'll be slower than a stripe of mirror across 4 |
| 19:31.42 | Bogus8 | edistar: I was... just giving it time |
| 19:31.56 | azeem | linuxtk10: there's no 1.13 |
| 19:32.01 | azeem | !info ejabberd |
| 19:32.06 | dpkg | ejabberd: (Distributed, fault-tolerant Jabber/XMPP server written in Erlang), section net, is optional. Version: 1.1.2-10 (sid), Packaged size: 891 kB, Installed size: 2552 kB |
| 19:32.14 | dareth | when you are using an ssh connection, and you either reboot/shutdown at some point your ssh connection should/will terminate. |
| 19:32.17 | xingu | chops: some mirroring suites are smart enough to fetch *two* rows at a time via off-by-one access from a mirror |
| 19:32.21 | chops | xingu: [0, 64k) and [192k, 256k) should be adjacent on disk 0, so there shouldn't be any problem with that. |
| 19:32.31 | Bogus8 | tty1 is non-responsive but the others are fine so not sure if that coule be it.. no one is logged into tty1 |
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| 19:32.43 | linuxtk10 | azeem: 1.1.3 i want 1.1.2 |
| 19:32.43 | Bogus8 | dareth: right but it doesn't |
| 19:32.56 | azeem | linuxtk10: where do you have 1.1.3 from? |
| 19:32.59 | Bogus8 | dareth: I keep working as usual |
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| 19:33.11 | edistar | Bogus8: 'shutdown -r now' is one command... -r tells it to reboot |
| 19:33.12 | dareth | beyond me, is this something new, did it work before and just stop working? |
| 19:33.13 | azeem | linuxtk10: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:33.15 | chops | xingu: You just mean it'll be fractionally slower (maybe 2/3 as fast as it should be), right? Not that I'm totally screwing myself? |
| 19:33.20 | xingu | chops: I was choking on the idea of raid5 on 4 spindles; on 3 spindles; sure; then, all you're paying is parity-calc on write (slow) and parity-recalc on access to degraded array (very very slow) |
| 19:33.32 | linuxtk10 | azeem: lenny |
| 19:33.34 | Bogus8 | edistar: I understand the command.. I used to use that to shutdown till I saw halt was availible ;) |
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| 19:33.47 | azeem | linuxtk10: try apt-get install ejabberd=1.1.2-9 |
| 19:33.54 | Eulex | linuxtk10, lenny has 1.1.2. |
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| 19:34.03 | xingu | chops: raid5 on 4 spindles gives you 3 *data* columns and one *parity* column which is just brokenated; each iop will span a complete row *and* one more column. |
| 19:34.04 | Bogus8 | dareth: yeah the box was fine... I just needed to turn of UTC and it says you should reboot... |
| 19:34.10 | xingu | chops: which gives you access patterns from hell |
| 19:34.14 | edistar | Bogus8: sry ;) just making sure |
| 19:34.23 | dutchfish | how can i make "ondemand" the active cpu_freq_sheduler and default "scaling_min_freq" to 750.000 on boot? |
| 19:34.34 | edistar | Bogus8: but what did you do so that it doesn't work anymore, or don't you know? |
| 19:34.37 | explody | linuxtk10: if you're running a jabber server, you should check out openfire, it's java (ick) but it's way easier to deal with than ejabberd... Just a thought |
| 19:34.47 | explody | it's really very slick |
| 19:34.47 | linuxtk10 | azeem: how can i check my version of a package ? |
| 19:34.54 | azeem | linuxtk10: dpkg -l ejabberd | tail -1 |
| 19:34.56 | Bogus8 | edistar: understood... I've been using headless linux systems for the last 3 years.. by no means a guru, but I familiar enough to understand directions :) |
| 19:35.03 | Eulex | dutchfish, apt-get install cpufrequtils; edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 19:35.10 | xingu | chops: if you lose or grow one column (3 or 5 spindle) all you need to worry about is the deadly slow parity calc kicking your arse to the caymans. |
| 19:35.19 | dutchfish | Eulex, cool thx! |
| 19:35.20 | linuxtk10 | azeem: hmmm |
| 19:35.22 | klim_ | hi, i altered kernel.pid_max using sysctl and reboot the system but the change not taking effect on the system. any ideas? |
| 19:35.25 | xingu | anyway |
| 19:35.31 | Eulex | dutchfish, yw |
| 19:35.34 | Bogus8 | edistar: I edited /etc/default/rcS and then did `reboot` |
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| 19:35.38 | chops | xingu: Heh, okay. Thanks. |
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| 19:36.04 | bulio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.10 | bulio | I use that currently as a secondary workstation/webserver/fileserver running CentOS |
| 19:36.15 | bulio | the second machine is a p3 667mhz, 128mb ram, and 30GB with an 80gb hard drive |
| 19:36.21 | bulio | should I just take the second machine, and use its hard drive in the first machine to give me 200GB of space? |
| 19:36.27 | bulio | Since the 800mhz one runs web/ssh/nfs/printer services, I cant see of much use for the second |
| 19:36.34 | bulio | but is there some dedicated task I can have it do? |
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| 19:36.45 | bulio | running on debian, since the ram is too low for centos |
| 19:36.46 | edistar | Bogus8: what does your rcS say then?;) |
| 19:36.50 | azeem | bulio: uh, that depends on what you want and need |
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| 19:37.18 | Bogus8 | edistar: I only changed UTC=no :p |
| 19:37.23 | edistar | hehe ;) |
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| 19:37.39 | Bogus8 | edistar: but I just killed -9 tty1 and all tty's died, so I did reboot and now it's rebooting |
| 19:37.44 | edistar | Bogus8: which _should_ have no effect |
| 19:37.59 | Bogus8 | edistar: could the kvm have caused tty1 to lock up? |
| 19:38.05 | edistar | maybe it just didn't understand to reboot now but wanted to in an hour |
| 19:38.27 | edistar | Bogus8: never heard of such a thing, kvm has not much to do with tty1 directly |
| 19:38.31 | Bogus8 | edistar: lol |
| 19:38.33 | dutchfish | Eulex, one more q: does max_speed 0 means max speed of the CPU (in my sistuation 3GHz for a P4)? |
| 19:38.37 | bulio | azeem: I need a print/file/web/backup server |
| 19:38.49 | bulio | but couldnt I do all that in just the one machine |
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| 19:39.04 | Bogus8 | edistar: first thing I did when I sat down was hit the kvm and I couldn't type in tty1 (login: ) so I fired up putty and did what I had to do |
| 19:39.09 | Eulex | dutchfish, 0 means unlimited. |
| 19:39.18 | azeem | bulio: sure you could |
| 19:39.23 | en1gmaa | did anyone say which module in kernel .config has to be enabled so it powers off the system when you do a 'halt' command |
| 19:39.25 | dutchfish | Eulex, ok thx again! |
| 19:39.28 | azeem | bulio: the question is how much load all those servers will get |
| 19:39.33 | Eulex | dutchfish, oh, a p4 with speedstep? |
| 19:39.34 | azeem | bulio: we can't tell you that |
| 19:39.48 | edistar | Bogus8: strange, how could a kvm freeze tty1? |
| 19:39.59 | dutchfish | Eulex, yes |
| 19:40.25 | bulio | azeem: is 128MB enough to run a backup/torrent server? |
| 19:40.30 | wols | petemc: pretty please come back |
| 19:40.38 | bulio | and possibly a network monitoring program |
| 19:40.39 | dutchfish | Eulex, it supports: 375000 750000 1125000 1500000 1875000 2250000 2625000 3000000 |
| 19:40.40 | wols | bulio: yes |
| 19:40.41 | azeem | bulio: I don't know |
| 19:40.45 | bulio | the server would be headless of course |
| 19:40.49 | Winkie | i'm having a few issues with trying to use debmirror |
| 19:41.00 | Eulex | dutchfish, nice, down to 375mhz? |
| 19:41.01 | Winkie | i'm getting 404s on some debs, and with etch-proposed-updates the latest Release patches seem to be missing |
| 19:41.03 | wols | bulio: biggest memory user will be the torrent server I guess |
| 19:41.06 | Winkie | am i just using the wrong mirror? |
| 19:41.07 | Bogus8 | edistar: I'm not blaming the kvm, just wondering IF it could be at fault |
| 19:41.14 | bulio | wols: torrent client, rtorrent |
| 19:41.17 | edistar | Bogus8: yes, I can't imagine |
| 19:41.20 | bulio | which uses like 4mb |
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| 19:41.32 | simonrvn | in soviet russia, badgers eat you |
| 19:41.38 | dutchfish | Eulex, yes its running it now but it makes shearping noices on that freq (harmonics) so i want 750000 as a min |
| 19:41.53 | Bogus8 | edistar: well, in the end tty1 was locked up and unresponsive but all else was working and after killing tty1 it worked :) |
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| 19:42.07 | edistar | Bogus8: eben shutdown? |
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| 19:42.10 | Eulex | dutchfish, reminds me of my p2 laptop which can go from 15mhz to 300mhz. |
| 19:42.14 | edistar | s/eben/even |
| 19:42.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: badgers eat wang ? |
| 19:42.40 | dutchfish | Eulex, it brings my ups load back from 13.9 to 11.4 % |
| 19:42.48 | simonrvn | better |
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| 19:42.53 | smacnay | how does one enable esd to start either on boot or on entry into gnome? |
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| 19:43.00 | Eulex | dutchfish, oh |
| 19:43.06 | aarkerio | Hi! somebody have get: |
| 19:43.07 | aarkerio | GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering |
| 19:43.08 | Bogus8 | does ntp not install a man file by default? |
| 19:43.14 | dutchfish | Eulex, thast alot of energy saving |
| 19:43.19 | abrotman | Bogus8: man -k ntp |
| 19:43.23 | Eulex | smacnay, get alsa and get rid of esd. |
| 19:43.28 | aarkerio | whit $compiz --replace |
| 19:43.38 | Bogus8 | edistar: yeah, no halt/shutdown -r now/reboot would work |
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| 19:43.50 | smacnay | Eulex: I am using alsa... I don't need esd at all, then? |
| 19:43.50 | edistar | hm |
| 19:43.57 | Eulex | smacnay, right. |
| 19:44.15 | Bogus8 | abrotman: references mountpoint (1) ;) |
| 19:44.19 | Eulex | smacnay, as long as your programs that output sound use alsa. |
| 19:44.34 | Eulex | smacnay, but mostly, esd will just cause problems and is a PITA. |
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| 19:44.47 | smacnay | Eulex: thanks |
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| 19:45.04 | Bogus8 | abrotman: do I need to install ntp-doc's package? |
| 19:45.11 | abrotman | oh .. probably |
| 19:45.28 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I would thing man would come by default and maybe have other docs availible via -docs |
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| 19:45.45 | Bogus8 | think* |
| 19:45.57 | Bogus8 | abrotman: still no ntp man page :( |
| 19:46.02 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 19:46.23 | rgsteele | Hey guys - anybody know how to convince apt-get to retrieve packages over https? I know that there's a /usr/lib/apt/methods directory that contains the list of what it considers acceptable, but https isn't among them, and Google hasn't really helped up to this point. |
| 19:46.57 | azeem | rgsteele: why would you want to do that? |
| 19:47.20 | rgsteele | azeem: It's sort of a long story, longer than my fingers really want to type :) |
| 19:47.31 | abrotman | Bogus8: it's in the ntp package .. man ntpc or ntpd |
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| 19:48.06 | abrotman | erm .. ntpdc |
| 19:48.20 | abrotman | grr ... ntpdc or ntpq :) |
| 19:48.21 | Bogus8 | abrotman: ah, they should make a man file to at least say that :p |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | file bug! |
| 19:48.39 | simonrvn | rgsteele: there's a package in sid for it |
| 19:49.25 | simonrvn | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23K 2007-08-01 18:59 https ;) |
| 19:49.28 | rgsteele | simonrvn: Eh, I don't think I really want to muck with testing on this particular box. |
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| 19:54.12 | sag_ich_nicht | hello. am i missing some workaround/fix or is the "you have newmail" being written instead of "you have new mail" when you use maildirs bug still in pam(i have found reports of it starting in 2001)? |
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| 19:57.40 | praktikant | when i search manpages with /cifs I get /tmp/zmantxEkv7:4886: warning: numeric expression expected (got `S') /tmp/zmantxEkv7:4887: missing delimiter (got a space) /tmp/zmantxEkv7:4887: warning: numeric expression expected (got `A') |
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| 20:01.46 | chops | praktikant: Sounds like a bug in the manpage; I'd file a bug if I were you |
| 20:03.14 | praktikant | chops, i don't think so it happemd before and smb.conf should be fine .... I used it a milion times before |
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| 20:03.23 | robboplus | Please install the build and header files for your current Linux kernel. <---installed headers but how do i install build files? |
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| 20:03.29 | Dantix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.02 | chops | Dantix: Sure, you can do software RAID over any block devices AFAIK |
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| 20:05.26 | Dantix | chops: but in this case as NAS, the block devices will be hiden behind a nfs mount, is it the same? |
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| 20:05.58 | chops | Dantix: I think so, yes |
| 20:06.27 | Dantix | chops: can you point me to some reads |
| 20:06.48 | chops | Dantix: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 20:07.41 | Dantix | chops: thank you very much |
| 20:07.46 | chops | Dantix: np |
| 20:10.35 | zirikili | hi guys... how may I change the priority of a proccess started by a non-root user? |
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| 20:10.51 | cahoot | renice? |
| 20:11.02 | zirikili | cahoot: does it exist? |
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| 20:11.23 | cahoot | man renice |
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| 20:12.07 | zirikili | cahoot: renice is nice! ;) |
| 20:12.18 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 20:12.22 | Dantix | chops: I'm seeing the md logical device (at configuration file) is allways based on /dev/hd style devices not over a mount point |
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| 20:14.06 | neol | finally ATI has come with better graphics drivers for linux users... for more info visit http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~119281,00.html great news for ATI cards user. |
| 20:14.32 | abrotman | we got the spam already |
| 20:15.12 | chops | Dantix: Hm; that is problematic. Ideal would be to do an NBD device; if you've got an NAS device, you may be stuck doing a loopback device to a file stored on the NAS share (bleargh). |
| 20:15.14 | neol | no i'm not a spammer, just wanted to inform ppl who own ati cards |
| 20:15.25 | abrotman | believe it when it happens .. not when they say it .. |
| 20:15.27 | abrotman | now go away |
| 20:17.16 | simonrvn | when i can do apt-get/aptitude install somethingnotfglrx i'll be happy for those users |
| 20:17.19 | bulio| | for a headless debian server, is there a huge difference between a Pentium 3 667 mhz cpu, 128mb and a Celeron 533mhz cpu, 128mb ram? |
| 20:17.47 | dante_2core | bulio|, depends on what you are going to use it for |
| 20:18.07 | Dantix | chops: thanks, I'll try to asimilate what you say |
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| 20:18.20 | Eulex | bulio|, the p3 kicks the celeron's ass. |
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| 20:18.31 | bulio| | Eulex: how so? |
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| 20:18.49 | bulio| | because Its the choice between a smaller emachine pc, and a larger optiplex |
| 20:18.51 | SoulChild | where are packages downloadet if i download via apt-get ??? |
| 20:19.06 | azeem | SoulChild: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:19.12 | SoulChild | azeemthank |
| 20:19.16 | SoulChild | azeem thanks |
| 20:19.26 | dante_2core | bulio|, p3 is generally better than celeron |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | unless it's a PIII 450 and a Celeron 3Ghz :) |
| 20:19.52 | bulio| | hehe |
| 20:19.55 | dante_2core | abrotman, thanks for that comment :D |
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| 20:19.59 | abrotman | sorry |
| 20:19.59 | bulio| | p3 667, celeron 533 |
| 20:19.59 | Eulex | bulio|, well, I hadn't got that info when I made that choice :) but I bet the p3 is twice as fast as the celeron. |
| 20:20.01 | dante_2core | :D |
| 20:20.18 | ameyer | I'd say, generally, netburst-based celeron > P3 |
| 20:20.20 | bulio| | Eulex: twice as fast? with only 100mhz something speed increase? |
| 20:20.32 | neol | can we use debain etch dvd for installing packages on ubuntu. ? |
| 20:20.32 | ameyer | but celeron 533 ~= netburst-based |
| 20:20.39 | ameyer | erm, != |
| 20:20.39 | Thomsen | Question: For a home server (www, sql, nfs/smb) should I use etch or lenny? |
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| 20:20.43 | azeem | neol: no |
| 20:21.17 | neol | even when depndencies r satisfied. ? |
| 20:21.23 | dante_2core | Thomsen, do you want it stable or recent? |
| 20:21.29 | Eulex | bulio|, almost, at least. that celeron is a p2 without l2-cache. and a p3 is quite faster than a p2. |
| 20:21.29 | azeem | neol: right, even then |
| 20:21.50 | Eulex | neol, you may try yourselves, but it will fail in a giant explosion. |
| 20:22.08 | Thomsen | dante_2core: both :-) I'm new to debian and I think I once read that the testing branch is actually quite stable |
| 20:22.13 | ameyer | Eulex: no, that'd likely be a p3-based celeron with a small amount of cache |
| 20:22.16 | neol | Eulex, what do u mean. ? |
| 20:22.21 | dante_2core | Thomsen, it is. I use it on a daily basis |
| 20:22.31 | abrotman | neol: he means that it is extremely likely to die a horrible death |
| 20:22.40 | Eulex | ameyer, oh. not _that_ bad then. |
| 20:22.42 | Thomsen | dante_2core: I understand the testing is what most people use? |
| 20:22.44 | dante_2core | but if you're new, it may be better to use etch and not have to fiddle with things that are not so settled yet |
| 20:22.50 | ameyer | Eulex: perhaps |
| 20:22.58 | ameyer | but the actual P3 would be faster |
| 20:23.03 | Eulex | yes |
| 20:23.07 | neol | but ubuntu is based on debian, then how can their be such a problem. |
| 20:23.13 | Ronin | !based on |
| 20:23.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:23.16 | dante_2core | Thomsen, yes, but if i'm not terribly wrong (abrotman, correct me ;)) then it's easier for beginners to use the stable one |
| 20:23.26 | Thomsen | I have been using Ubuntu for 2 years, so I'm only new to debian |
| 20:23.36 | azeem | neol: do you want an answer to your question, or do you want to argue? |
| 20:23.56 | azeem | neol: you should not mix Debian and Ubuntu packages, end of story |
| 20:24.01 | neol | azeem, i dont want to argue sir. |
| 20:24.11 | dante_2core | Thomsen, I'd say give etch a try, if it's too old for you then go to testing |
| 20:24.32 | dante_2core | you won't notice _that_ much of a difference anyway if you don't look close |
| 20:24.36 | Eulex | ameyer, checked wikipedia, and a celeron at 533mhz may be both p2-based and p3-based. |
| 20:24.42 | dante_2core | abrotman, amirite? |
| 20:24.56 | Thomsen | dante_2core: Okay. Thank you. I have etch installed now. If I change my mind later and want to "upgrade", can I just edit sources.lst and dist-upgrade? |
| 20:25.14 | dante_2core | Thomsen, yes, you can. another good point of trying etch first. |
| 20:25.15 | ameyer | Eulex: but it'd still have cache either way |
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| 20:25.27 | dante_2core | and, Thomsen, no problem :D |
| 20:26.13 | dante_2core | i'm leaving, gnite folks, and good luck y'all |
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| 20:26.36 | Eulex | ameyer, indeed |
| 20:27.04 | ameyer | I'd still prefer my Celery 2.4 GHz over any P3, though... |
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| 20:27.38 | ameyer | I mean, P4s kinda sucked, but not that badly |
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| 20:33.28 | fastputty | how can i find what take all my memory disk |
| 20:33.38 | fastputty | my ahrdrive almost full is there a way to check what cause it |
| 20:34.02 | bulio| | is it possible to create a raid configuration with 3 10GB hard drives? |
| 20:34.07 | bulio| | or do I need a raid controller |
| 20:34.40 | Pc_Dark | you need a riad controller, but you can autosync all of the drives |
| 20:35.21 | bulio| | I cant autosync without the raid? |
| 20:35.45 | bulio| | because I'm thinking of having 2 mirrored 10GB drives for important data |
| 20:35.54 | robboplus | what should be the path to source and header files? |
| 20:36.03 | robboplus | is it /usr/src? |
| 20:36.21 | pickcoder | bulio|: you can use mdadm to create a software RAID array |
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| 20:37.19 | vnWrK | part |
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| 20:38.03 | pickcoder | 3 drives can give you RAID 1 with a spare or you can do RAID 5 with no spare |
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| 20:39.07 | bulio| | hmm, I keep getting hard drive failures, even though I know both disks work |
| 20:39.12 | bulio| | theyre on the same ide cable |
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| 20:39.17 | bulio| | putting one in works |
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| 20:39.28 | bulio| | but two at the same time doesnt |
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| 20:39.40 | ALVAN | has someone installed grub on fakeraid? |
| 20:39.54 | chops | bulio|: PATA? Have you checked your jumpers? |
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| 20:42.19 | explody | bulio|: yes, make sure you have your master/slave jumpers set correctly |
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| 20:42.50 | explody | if setting master/slave doesn't work, try setting them both to cable select |
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| 20:43.00 | bulio| | PATA? |
| 20:43.11 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:43.14 | explody | opposed to SATA |
| 20:43.14 | bulio| | and no I havent checked the jumpers, I assumed the machine did that for you |
| 20:43.22 | abrotman | robot! |
| 20:43.23 | jkl_ | Hi, somebody knows a colored plugin for vim from debian mirrors? |
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| 20:43.30 | bulio| | its an Optiplex GX110 from about 2000 |
| 20:43.39 | abrotman | jkl_: colored plugin ? |
| 20:43.45 | abrotman | jkl_: syntax highlighting ? |
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| 20:43.54 | jkl_ | yes :p abrotman |
| 20:44.08 | abrotman | jkl_: in vim .. hit esc .. then ":syntax on" |
| 20:44.29 | jkl_ | lol "colored plugin", tnx so much! abrotman |
| 20:44.30 | chops | bulio|: The jumpers are physical pieces of plastic that you shift around on the drive. Short of robotic attachments it's hard for the machine to check them for you :-). |
| 20:44.49 | explody | jkl_: or, edit /etc/vim/vimrc and uncomment the line that says "syntax on" |
| 20:45.13 | chops | bulio|: If you switch them both to cable select the machine is _supposed_ to get everything right without further hassle, but it's not un-heard of to have to jumper one as master and one as slave |
| 20:45.14 | master_of_master | hi, is it possible to check to wich package a certain file belongs? (that is installed) |
| 20:45.19 | jkl_ | cool, tnx explody ;) |
| 20:45.25 | chops | master_of_master: Use dpkg -S |
| 20:45.28 | explody | master_of_master: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 20:45.38 | pickcoder | bulio|: is the cable thin and narrow or is the cable wide and thin? |
| 20:46.27 | master_of_master | chops,explody: thx! |
| 20:47.17 | DexterF | depends on the board.. today it usually works |
| 20:47.18 | bulio| | pickcoder: I put in a new cable, its wide and thin |
| 20:47.19 | bulio| | IDE |
| 20:47.24 | pickcoder | I don't trust IDE controllers anyway.. they're quite stupid |
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| 20:47.43 | explody | I've had some controllers flat out not work with some disks if I didn't use CS |
| 20:47.44 | pickcoder | bulio|: that's PATA then.. parallel ATA |
| 20:48.41 | Midtronic | where can I find a list of ppc repositories/mirrors? |
| 20:48.47 | bulio| | so I shouldnt have to select jumpers |
| 20:48.56 | DexterF | bulio|: are those 2 disks by the same manufacturer? |
| 20:49.01 | pickcoder | bulio|: you should jumper them to be safe on a machine that old |
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| 20:49.05 | jkl_ | abrotman, explody... thanks!... and all the this fucking great people. |
| 20:49.16 | bulio| | DexterF: yeah, maxtor |
| 20:49.22 | bulio| | almost the same model even |
| 20:49.28 | DexterF | eww. well, ok, at least the same. |
| 20:49.53 | DexterF | btw raid1 is cool, I wouldn't do raid5 in software tho, I run such an array, it's a pain in the ass |
| 20:50.10 | explody | me too, works fine but it's slow |
| 20:50.39 | bulio| | so no ideas on what might be wrong? |
| 20:50.43 | pickcoder | slow? |
| 20:50.45 | pickcoder | it shouldn't be |
| 20:50.49 | DexterF | it kicks perfectly good disks from the array from time to time, you need to scrub at least once a week, the performance is shitty... |
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| 20:50.54 | explody | software RAID5? yes it should |
| 20:50.59 | pickcoder | it's striping |
| 20:51.08 | DexterF | pickcoder: even the developers themselves say "yah we know its slow" |
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| 20:51.24 | pickcoder | the developers of the md driver? |
| 20:51.28 | pickcoder | or the developers of RAID |
| 20:51.33 | DexterF | raid5 is xor checksums |
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| 20:51.41 | pickcoder | b/c RAID5 is extremely fast on all my file servers |
| 20:51.45 | DexterF | mdadm and raid modules are the same people |
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| 20:51.56 | pickcoder | but I'm using hardware RAID |
| 20:52.02 | explody | um well yes |
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| 20:52.11 | explody | hardware raid != software raid |
| 20:52.14 | DexterF | pickcoder: i get 10MB/s write on a 4x250 sATA array |
| 20:52.20 | idiot | anyone knows how fix this? i tried google but i dont know german, and only has german info |
| 20:52.22 | DexterF | pickcoder: ... |
| 20:52.22 | pickcoder | yeah, that blows |
| 20:52.37 | explody | DexterF: ok that is bad, I get 25-30MB/s on 3-disk |
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| 20:53.08 | DexterF | yes it is. and munches cpu like popcorn. |
| 20:53.10 | explody | DexterF: one I/O task only though, if I throw 2 disk-related jobs at it at once, it crawls |
| 20:53.16 | DexterF | id love a 2ware, but $$$$$ |
| 20:53.21 | Midtronic | can I use any repository for powerpc |
| 20:53.22 | Midtronic | ? |
| 20:53.33 | explody | I have an 8-disk Areca SATA RAID here at work |
| 20:53.37 | explody | it's so-so |
| 20:53.44 | pickcoder | I have several 9550 models running here |
| 20:54.00 | DexterF | areca? said to be blazing fast from what ive heard |
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| 20:54.16 | DexterF | plus they dont trip over bad blocks when resyncing after a swap |
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| 20:55.03 | bulio| | im trying to see if having a 667mhz p3 with 128mb of ram and a 10GB hard drive can do anything useful for me |
| 20:55.05 | explody | haven't had to swap yet |
| 20:55.13 | bulio| | I cant think of anything though |
| 20:55.19 | explody | bulio|: firewall |
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| 20:55.24 | DexterF | bulio|: screams for XFCE |
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| 20:55.28 | mmlj4 | bulio|: lots |
| 20:55.38 | wols | bulio|: alsmot any kind of server |
| 20:55.44 | DexterF | or Collax security gateway |
| 20:55.49 | mmlj4 | forget X, make it a little server somewhere, or at least a firewall |
| 20:55.56 | blinker | hey folks, I need some help running fsck manually without -a or -p options in order to recover some data |
| 20:56.00 | DexterF | LTSP |
| 20:56.02 | bulio| | I dont need a firewall, my router has SPI |
| 20:56.04 | idiot | anyone knows how fix this? Starting mail transport agent: Postfixln: creating symbolic link `usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime' to `/etc/localtime': No such file or directory |
| 20:56.10 | mmlj4 | SPI? |
| 20:56.11 | bulio| | although the machine can support up to 5 NIC cards |
| 20:56.19 | bulio| | stateful packet inspection |
| 20:56.40 | mmlj4 | and linux can't do that? |
| 20:56.42 | explody | NICs |
| 20:56.59 | explody | "NIC cards" is redundant |
| 20:57.03 | bulio| | my main server is a web/fileserver/torrent downloader |
| 20:57.09 | DexterF | packet filter != firewall |
| 20:57.13 | bulio| | 860mhz p3, 380mb ram, 120gb HD |
| 20:57.20 | zinx | explody: what about Network NIC cards? |
| 20:57.22 | DexterF | SPI is good, but only the first line of defense |
| 20:57.31 | bulio| | DexterF: well the firewall has all ports closed |
| 20:57.34 | bulio| | on the router |
| 20:57.39 | en1gma | anyone using the 2.6.22 kernel with a linux box that is using a brouter |
| 20:57.47 | explody | harhar |
| 20:57.51 | en1gma | i read its broken in 2.6.22 and want to verify |
| 20:58.11 | explody | that what is broken? |
| 20:58.14 | explody | routing? |
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| 20:58.33 | en1gma | bridged routing |
| 20:58.36 | en1gma | brouting |
| 20:58.37 | explody | oh oh |
| 20:58.38 | bulio| | but what can a Linux router do that my embedded router cant? |
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| 20:59.30 | explody | bulio|: run xfce? |
| 20:59.30 | en1gma | save me money from buying an embedded router |
| 20:59.30 | zinx | bulio|: it can toast your bread |
| 20:59.32 | en1gma | and definately do alot of linux stuff |
| 20:59.32 | xored | is it problematic to use a softwareraid ( mdadm) with truecrypt or is the raid just working one level below the truecrypt ? |
| 20:59.32 | bulio| | explody: my p3 main server runs gnome on centos |
| 20:59.32 | DexterF | bulio|: have spiffy addons like vpn, snort, IPS... |
| 20:59.32 | \amethyst | zinx: I've seen embedded routers that get hot enough to toast bread :) |
| 20:59.33 | DexterF | xored: tc on a partition or container? |
| 20:59.49 | en1gma | i would just like to know if its true before i get deeper into this |
| 20:59.55 | explody | bulio|: I was kinda kidding.. It can run tcpdump, snort, ntop, any linux network or secuiryt related piece of software you'd like |
| 20:59.58 | en1gma | if it really is broken i dont want to waste my time |
| 21:00.05 | DexterF | xored: anyway, tc sits *above* the raid level. just use it like on any ordinary hard disk |
| 21:00.08 | xored | DexterF: partition |
| 21:00.15 | bulio| | explody: what about network monitoring software in a PHP interface? |
| 21:00.24 | xored | DexterF: thats what i thought, thank you |
| 21:00.27 | bulio| | one that gives me info on bandwidth usage, PC uptimes etc. |
| 21:00.34 | DexterF | xored: yw |
| 21:00.51 | stiv2k | hi...anyone here use uswsusp? it appears to me i cant suspend anymore after a dist-upgrade... the screen just goes black and never suspends.. |
| 21:00.52 | en1gma | holy crap im glad he asked what can it do that his cant cause i just learned alot what it can do :) |
| 21:00.54 | explody | bulio|: why not, it's a linux box. that's the point, you can run whatever you want on it |
| 21:01.02 | bulio| | a VPN server would be nice |
| 21:01.09 | bulio| | so that way I dont need to open the SSH port |
| 21:01.16 | bulio| | only port 80 for web |
| 21:01.16 | en1gma | thats what is broken a vpn with brouting |
| 21:01.26 | DexterF | xored: oh, wait: you mean like setup a tc part on like /dev/md0p1 or so, right? or lvm? just in case you wanna make crypted partitions and add those to an md ;) |
| 21:01.34 | en1gma | it might not be brouting that is broken but in conjuntion with a vpn then its broken |
| 21:01.54 | en1gma | http://www.vmware.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=708293 |
| 21:02.14 | xored | DexterF: my idea. Creating a raid 1 -> md0 and then us that for truecryp partion |
| 21:02.16 | explody | en1gma: that's vmware |
| 21:02.34 | explody | en1gma: that has everything to do with VMware, and very little to do with the kernel |
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| 21:03.02 | zinx | bulio|: it isn't difficult at all to switch kernels in Debian |
| 21:03.08 | DexterF | xored: uh huh. make a partition tho, I wouldn't use the entire md0 |
| 21:03.17 | zinx | bulio|: so it wouldn't be hard for you to try 2.6.22 and see if it works for you, and switch to some older version if it doesn't :/ |
| 21:03.23 | protoloco | Hello i want to backup the most important things of some server.. how can i know which directories are critical.. and how can i make incremental backups every 3/4 days.. |
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| 21:03.34 | bulio| | hmm, I guess the 2nd server doesnt need to be hooked up to the UPS |
| 21:03.42 | bulio| | only the main one |
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| 21:04.02 | explody | protoloco: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backuptools.htm |
| 21:04.08 | stiv2k | is there a way to make NFS respect symbolic links on the remote system ??????????????? |
| 21:04.18 | DexterF | is this quakenet? |
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| 21:04.42 | explody | protoloco: usually /etc, /var and /home are sufficient to keep all your critical data backed up, but you have to decide for yourself which data on your machine is important |
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| 21:05.33 | explody | stiv2k: no, NFS clients will not follow symbolic links out of the exported drive |
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| 21:05.47 | explody | stiv2k: symbolic links inside the export work fine |
| 21:05.49 | eth01 | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 21:05.49 | eth01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.51 | eth01 | ? |
| 21:06.07 | stiv2k | explody: not at all? i just found a hit on google: http://ou800doc.caldera.com/en/SDK_sysprog/_Using_Symbolic_Links_with_NFS.html |
| 21:06.19 | DexterF | eth01: ! |
| 21:06.33 | explody | let me rephrase |
| 21:06.38 | streuner_ | eth01: and whats the question? :-) |
| 21:06.52 | eth01 | nvm. |
| 21:06.59 | diafic | How can I set a static IP (using /etc/networks/interfaces) without rebooting? |
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| 21:07.26 | eth01 | ifdown / ifup, diafic. |
| 21:07.37 | explody | the client cannot follow a symbolic link pointing to a location on the nfs server that it cannot access, i.e. not inside the exported drive. If the symbolic link points to a file that the client can actually access, then they work fine |
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| 21:07.42 | diafic | groovy |
| 21:07.50 | diafic | now, that means I have ANOTHER problem... |
| 21:07.53 | streuner_ | (after editing interfaces /msg dpkg interfaces) |
| 21:07.56 | diafic | I'm going over SSH |
| 21:08.00 | eth01 | -.- |
| 21:08.03 | explody | edit: the client cannot follow a symbolic link pointing to a location on the nfs server that it (the client) cannot access, i.e. not inside the exported drive. If the symbolic link points to a file that the client can actually access, then they work fine |
| 21:08.04 | eth01 | use a crontab. |
| 21:08.10 | diafic | Aaah, clever. |
| 21:08.16 | eth01 | ;) |
| 21:08.20 | diafic | What would I put? |
| 21:08.26 | diafic | @infiveminuites would be cool :| |
| 21:08.31 | diafic | and as what user? |
| 21:08.32 | diafic | Root? |
| 21:08.36 | xored | i used a old raid1 with mdadm i want to deactivate / delete because both drives are removed. Where is the configuration for that |
| 21:08.39 | eth01 | no idea. |
| 21:08.51 | eth01 | just do it so that SSHD restarts in say 3 minutes. |
| 21:08.56 | stiv2k | explody: in my case, i have a symlink on the remote machine pointing to somewhere else on the remote machine but when i go to it, it tries to follow the symlink somewhere on my machine |
| 21:09.11 | explody | stiv2k: that is correct, yes |
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| 21:09.43 | stiv2k | explody: its one directory higher than where i chose the mount point... but my user still has read/write permissions to it... |
| 21:10.00 | diafic | eth01, What would the command be? |
| 21:10.10 | eth01 | no idea. |
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| 21:10.10 | diafic | 15 * * * * ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 21:10.22 | diafic | So it goes off in the next 5 minuites |
| 21:10.23 | stiv2k | explody: so i cant be able to access it? |
| 21:10.27 | diafic | and then I can remove it |
| 21:11.07 | zinx | dia: sleep $[ 5*60 ] && ifconfig eth0 down up ? |
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| 21:11.43 | idiot | anyone knows how fix this? Starting mail transport agent: Postfixln: creating symbolic link `usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime' to `/etc/localtime': No such file or directory |
| 21:11.47 | sag_ich_nicht | hello. am i missing some workaround/fix or is the "you have newmail" being written instead of "you have new mail" when you use maildirs bug still in pam(i have found reports of it starting in 2001)? |
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| 21:12.03 | explody | stiv2k: do this "ls -l /path/to/your/symlink" and see where the symlink is pointing |
| 21:12.04 | \amethyst | idiot: is this the debian postfix package? |
| 21:12.08 | diafic | zinx, good idea. |
| 21:12.10 | idiot | \amethyst: yes |
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| 21:12.53 | explody | stiv2k: if you can 'ls' that file from the client, then yes it works. otherwise no |
| 21:12.59 | explody | it's hard to explain |
| 21:13.28 | stiv2k | like this? |
| 21:13.29 | stiv2k | lrwxrwxrwx 1 steve steve 9 Sep 4 17:09 media -> ../media/ |
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| 21:13.54 | explody | that symlink would never work |
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| 21:13.58 | explody | it points to itself |
| 21:14.03 | Aleksej | good night |
| 21:14.04 | \amethyst | explody: no it doesn't |
| 21:14.08 | stiv2k | explody: can i somehow make it work? |
| 21:14.11 | explody | woops |
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| 21:14.21 | explody | you're right, I saw one "." |
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| 21:14.50 | \amethyst | stiv2k: Symlinks are purely by name: ../media has to be exported and mounted too, or it will not work |
| 21:15.02 | explody | what amethyst said |
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| 21:15.12 | dotty | hello everybody |
| 21:15.13 | stiv2k | \amethyst: ah okay so i can do it that way.... /me forgets do i have to edit the server or the client to export it |
| 21:15.26 | \amethyst | exports are on the server |
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| 21:15.34 | \amethyst | the client would have to mount it, too |
| 21:15.35 | idiot | \amethyst: any idea how fix? |
| 21:15.46 | \amethyst | idiot: so you're using a chrrot for something? |
| 21:16.11 | idiot | \amethyst: i think so, but i try disabled and didnt fix |
| 21:16.15 | \amethyst | idiot: I don't know too much about postfix, but it sounds like your chroot is missing /etc/localtime |
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| 21:17.17 | \amethyst | idiot: if the postfix chroots are all disabled, then it shouldn't be trying to run that part of the init script |
| 21:17.33 | \amethyst | stiv2k: another thing to note: NFS exports don't cross filesystem boundaries |
| 21:17.48 | \amethyst | stiv2k: so you'll also have to export all the filesystems mounted under ../media |
| 21:18.17 | stiv2k | \amethyst: its not a separate filesystem |
| 21:18.33 | stiv2k | its just a dir in /home where i have music and movies and its shared thru samba and such.. |
| 21:18.42 | \amethyst | stiv2k: Ah, I thought it might have been /media |
| 21:18.55 | \amethyst | stiv2k: (which is used for mounting external media like USB drives and cdroms) |
| 21:19.04 | stiv2k | \amethyst: yea |
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| 21:21.20 | blinker | is it possible to repair errors on a drive if e2fsck cant read the next inode? i just ran an instance of fsck (yes, on an unmounted volume) and it aborted with return: "Error while scanning inodes (19169280): Can't read next inode" |
| 21:22.54 | wols | blinker: run smartmontools |
| 21:22.56 | wols | long test |
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| 21:24.00 | knoxy | where are the all *.deb files of oracle-instantclient? |
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| 21:26.08 | section31 | how can i find out my filesystem df -a doesn't show it |
| 21:26.24 | wols | section31: mount |
| 21:26.39 | section31 | oh nm, found it on the man |
| 21:26.41 | section31 | -T |
| 21:26.46 | wols | knoxy: ask oracle not us |
| 21:26.53 | dalias | is there any way to get apt-get to redownload the complete package list instead of using diffs? |
| 21:27.44 | wols | dalias: yes there is a apt config option for that |
| 21:27.59 | dalias | the diffs seem to take twice as long to download... |
| 21:28.10 | SpooForBrains | is there a good samba configuration tool I should be using? |
| 21:28.20 | azeem | SpooForBrains: there's swat |
| 21:28.21 | dalias | and i think the base file might have some bogus stuff in it too |
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| 21:28.24 | SpooForBrains | SWAT / the Kcontrol module / something better ? |
| 21:28.26 | azeem | dunno whether it's good |
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| 21:28.48 | wols | dalias: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/439 |
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| 21:29.43 | Drk_Avenger | Hi guys |
| 21:29.52 | Drk_Avenger | Some moth..... |
| 21:29.56 | Drk_Avenger | Stole my nick |
| 21:30.00 | Drk_Avenger | I was Drk_Guy |
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| 21:30.43 | Drk_Avenger | anyways |
| 21:30.46 | xand | a moth? |
| 21:30.52 | Drk_Avenger | Let's get to the real deal |
| 21:30.54 | xand | if your nick is registered, you can get it back. |
| 21:30.57 | Ronin | Drk_Avenger: well if its registered its easy |
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| 21:31.01 | xand | if it's not, it's not "yours" :) |
| 21:31.12 | Ronin | what xand said |
| 21:31.17 | dalias | wols, thanks |
| 21:31.17 | Drk_Avenger | It's registered, but he/she changed both pw and e-mail |
| 21:31.30 | xand | riiight... |
| 21:31.50 | phrozen77_ | lol |
| 21:32.02 | Drk_Avenger | Guys |
| 21:32.16 | Drk_Avenger | Debian is not letting me configure Ethernet |
| 21:32.19 | amphi | Drk_Avenger: are you impersonating yourself? |
| 21:32.34 | Drk_Avenger | It always goes for DCHP, and i want static IP |
| 21:32.44 | Drk_Avenger | No, amee2k |
| 21:32.47 | Drk_Avenger | *amph |
| 21:32.49 | Ronin | Drk_Avenger: then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:32.59 | wols | !tell Drk_Avenger about interfaces |
| 21:33.25 | Drk_Avenger | Thx |
| 21:33.28 | Drk_Avenger | I'll try |
| 21:33.47 | xored | when i use mdadm --monitor --mail=root@localhost --delay=1800 /dev/md0 to monitor my raid, it does not go into background, by console is stucked. is there a new special parameter for daemon-mode nec. ? |
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| 21:37.00 | protoloco | Hello, im thinking to resizing (less) my lvm partition actually im using 230 Gb.. so i want it like... 190 GB.. how can i make it smalller?? there is some tutorial around there? |
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| 21:38.03 | phrozen77_ | hm |
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| 21:38.34 | phrozen77_ | am i the only one that wonders how drk_avenger has a drkguy cloak when he was supposedly unable to identify? |
| 21:38.37 | andreiutz | what tool debian uses for capturing packets from remote hosts ? |
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| 21:39.06 | Ronin | phrozen77_: nope |
| 21:39.09 | bulio| | is there a server app that can give me stats about my linux machines on the network? |
| 21:39.36 | explody | bulio|: nagios, mrtg, zenoss, hyperic, there are tons |
| 21:39.43 | streuner_ | !tell bulio| about search |
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| 21:39.50 | explody | bulio|: cacti, zabbix |
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| 21:40.12 | bulio| | explody: which one do you recommend for ease of use? and one that can monitor all linux systems |
| 21:40.17 | bulio| | and preferably light one resources |
| 21:40.24 | bulio| | this machine is 667mhz and 128mb ram |
| 21:40.42 | explody | mrtg |
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| 21:41.20 | bulio| | explody: but I want uptime of the other machines and such |
| 21:41.25 | explody | maybe zabbix, I dunno. I use nagios+cacti here but I haven't done a simple setup in years |
| 21:41.48 | pickcoder | mrtg gives you public SNMP reporting, but it can be a PITA to setup custom info blocks IMO |
| 21:41.49 | bulio| | one machine has ubuntu, the other is centos, the other is debian |
| 21:41.57 | explody | bulio|: most all of these options use SNMP to gather information from remote machines |
| 21:42.16 | explody | bulio|: you'll need to research monitoring, it's a huge subject |
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| 21:44.12 | phrozen77_ | munin can do some snmp stuff too |
| 21:44.53 | omry | using some old ati card (curse them), my system was working fine till a reboot, and then I started to get this error when starting X : (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found , upgraded fglrx but I still get it. any idea? |
| 21:45.12 | explody | omry: does your X start OK anyway? |
| 21:45.17 | omry | explody, no. |
| 21:45.36 | omry | explody, this is followed by (EE) No devices detected. |
| 21:45.41 | SpooForBrains | Hi, is there a way to mount existing disk partitions without having to manually add them to the fstab? |
| 21:45.55 | pickcoder | omry: did you change any of the PCI devices? |
| 21:46.02 | explody | omry: try finding the line in xorg.conf like this one: BusID "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 21:46.09 | omry | pickcoder, no. |
| 21:46.12 | avtobiff | SpooForBrains, try the mount command |
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| 21:46.26 | avtobiff | SpooForBrains, mount /dev/unit /mnt/point |
| 21:46.53 | SpooForBrains | yes, I can do that, but I mean to have them mounted at boot time |
| 21:46.54 | omry | explody, no such line in my xorg. |
| 21:47.03 | avtobiff | SpooForBrains, then fstab is your friend |
| 21:47.06 | explody | omry: you might need to specify one then |
| 21:47.22 | omry | explody, just like the one you shown me? |
| 21:47.22 | explody | omry: run "lspci" and look for your display adapter |
| 21:47.39 | omry | 02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary) (rev 01) |
| 21:47.43 | avtobiff | SpooForBrains, why do you want to mount stuff but not use fstab for it? |
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| 21:48.03 | explody | hm |
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| 21:48.31 | pickcoder | drxx |
| 21:48.38 | pickcoder | meh |
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| 21:48.57 | explody | omry: at that point, I usually take the easy way out and run "fglrxconfig" |
| 21:49.07 | explody | omry: back up your xorg.conf first though |
| 21:49.14 | SpooForBrains | I do want it added to the fstab, I just don't necessarily want to have to do it manually |
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| 21:49.30 | pickcoder | SpooForBrains: it only has to be done once |
| 21:49.36 | pickcoder | and it's not painful |
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| 21:50.29 | omry | explody, I don't have fglrxconfig |
| 21:50.49 | pickcoder | !tell omry about drxx |
| 21:51.32 | omry | pickcoder, will that really do any good? |
| 21:51.41 | pickcoder | can you start X at all? |
| 21:51.44 | omry | no. |
| 21:51.47 | blinker | wols: what was smartmontools supposed to help with? |
| 21:51.48 | pickcoder | then it can't hurt |
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| 21:52.19 | explody | blinker: monitoring the health of your hard drives |
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| 21:54.00 | blinker | doh. well i don't need that to know they arent healthy, lol. My original question was regarding fsck/e2fsck. I ran fsck -n on an unmounted storage volume and it aborted because e2fsck couldnt read the next inode. I mainly need to knwo what the next step would be in attempting to recover the data from this drive |
| 21:54.49 | blinker | noting that i'm not terribly versed or experienced with linux and fsck, overall. |
| 21:54.52 | explody | blinker: read the manpage on "smartctl", it will show you the current health status of a hard drive, i.e. if it's gone bad |
| 21:56.26 | explody | blinker: in a nutshell, "smartctl -a /dev/whatever" |
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| 21:57.58 | blinker | I'm assuming i should enable smart support on the drive... |
| 21:58.24 | jelly-home | if it's not already enabled, yes |
| 21:58.47 | explody | though that is rarely disabled by default, in my experience... |
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| 21:59.34 | blinker | it was o.O |
| 22:00.02 | psykon | guys |
| 22:00.04 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 22:00.04 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:00.15 | psykon | what are the guidelines for the choice of options of debian binary packages? |
| 22:00.21 | rahul | what options? |
| 22:00.26 | explody | what guidelines? |
| 22:00.26 | psykon | compile-time options |
| 22:00.43 | psykon | want an example? |
| 22:00.53 | psykon | mplayer has shitloads of compile-time options |
| 22:01.04 | rahul | enable as many as possible |
| 22:01.12 | psykon | outch |
| 22:01.14 | explody | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 22:01.40 | \amethyst | it's up to the maintainer, really... for some packages there are multiple versions, with more or fewer options enabled |
| 22:01.53 | explody | I'd imagine you can enable whatever you want, as long as you add dependencies for whatever is required to support the features |
| 22:02.17 | psykon | explody, but sometimes a user doesn't want to pull in all the dependecies because he won't use those features |
| 22:02.23 | explody | that is true |
| 22:02.29 | explody | hence what ame said |
| 22:02.33 | \amethyst | For example, the snort package is compiled without database support, but there are also snort-mysql and snort-pgsql packages |
| 22:02.41 | psykon | that's why i'm woried about using a binary distro |
| 22:02.47 | explody | yeah, look at "apt-cache search vim" |
| 22:02.48 | rahul | psykon: the maintainer is not going to customize the package for every possible user |
| 22:02.55 | psykon | rahul, of course not |
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| 22:02.59 | rahul | psykon: it's not a problem in practice. |
| 22:03.04 | psykon | that's why i'm asking what the general guidelines are |
| 22:03.18 | explody | generally, people enable the feature set that the majority of people use |
| 22:03.30 | psykon | i see |
| 22:03.35 | explody | optionally splitting sepecific features off into other packages |
| 22:03.40 | explody | specific* |
| 22:03.42 | rahul | or they have a stripped-down and a fully-featured package |
| 22:03.57 | psykon | another question, is there support for rt2500pci on the installcd? |
| 22:03.59 | jelly-home | exim4-daemon-light and exim4-daemon-heavy |
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| 22:04.41 | explody | psykon: I'm not sure, I haven't installed via wireless |
| 22:05.12 | psykon | it's a major hassle to have to move my desktop to near a cable |
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| 22:05.32 | jelly-home | !rt25xx |
| 22:05.36 | omry | explody, well - it almost works. now X starts, but with wrong refresh rates.I tried to use the refresh rates and screen configurations from the old xorg.conf but it it doesn't seem to work. |
| 22:06.14 | explody | omry: you probably just need to adjust the monitor settings |
| 22:06.28 | blinker | k i ran smartctl and i'm not sure what to make of the results. it says that the overall health assessment passed, but it has errors listed. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36497/ |
| 22:06.30 | omry | explody, it's not a monitor - it's a tv. nothing to adjust |
| 22:06.32 | explody | omry: make sure your HorizSync and VertRefresh are set right |
| 22:06.39 | explody | oh |
| 22:07.31 | omry | funny thing is that it worked for a year with the same refresh rates. |
| 22:07.41 | omry | so maybe the new driver works differently. |
| 22:07.46 | explody | very possible |
| 22:08.04 | psykon | is there any image i can use to install? |
| 22:08.16 | psykon | gentoo-style |
| 22:08.29 | explody | psykon: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:08.42 | explody | there is no stage tarball or anything though |
| 22:08.45 | psykon | that won't work |
| 22:08.50 | psykon | i need rt2500 |
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| 22:09.12 | explody | you can download a full CD, it would at least get you a working install before it needed network access |
| 22:09.19 | psykon | explody, that's not any better |
| 22:09.26 | psykon | i would still have to move my desktop |
| 22:09.49 | explody | no, you'd just need to burn anything you need for rt25xx to CD and set it up after debian is installed |
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| 22:10.04 | psykon | explody, it's usually a lot of stuff |
| 22:10.17 | psykon | i need build-essential to be able to compile it |
| 22:10.23 | jelly-home | it's on cd |
| 22:10.29 | dalias | is the issue a wireless card? |
| 22:10.29 | psykon | oh, right |
| 22:10.33 | psykon | yes dalias |
| 22:10.46 | dalias | does the laptop have an ethernet jack too? |
| 22:10.52 | psykon | it's a desktop |
| 22:10.57 | dalias | imo the easiest way to install would be over wired network |
| 22:10.59 | dalias | oh.. |
| 22:10.59 | psykon | it would be easy if it was a laptop |
| 22:11.05 | explody | get a long cable :P |
| 22:11.11 | psykon | explody, actually i had one |
| 22:11.13 | geo-rge | which cd is build-essential on these days? |
| 22:11.14 | psykon | but my mum cut it |
| 22:11.16 | dalias | wireless for desktop...? |
| 22:11.24 | psykon | dalias, don't ask, my father is stupid |
| 22:11.31 | dalias | indeed.. |
| 22:11.37 | psykon | i hate this crap |
| 22:11.41 | psykon | all it does is give me problems |
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| 22:11.47 | dalias | you can repair a cut net cable easily |
| 22:11.51 | explody | I had wireless on a desktop, it was handy for not having to run cables to difficult locations |
| 22:12.01 | dalias | it will prolly have bad transmission errors, but dropping to 10mbit would make it usable |
| 22:12.02 | psykon | explody, now check the stupidiest part |
| 22:12.10 | psykon | i have a cable through the wall |
| 22:12.12 | psykon | all setup |
| 22:12.26 | psykon | but guess what, my father decided it was very smart to cut it and give me a wireless card |
| 22:12.34 | psykon | -_- |
| 22:12.37 | explody | that is a bit odd |
| 22:12.41 | psykon | no shit |
| 22:12.51 | dalias | tell him wireless is insecure :) |
| 22:13.05 | dalias | like ppl will steal your credit card and stuff :P |
| 22:13.05 | psykon | like anyone wants our 512/128 connection |
| 22:13.13 | explody | tell him it gives men over 40 ED |
| 22:13.19 | dalias | explody, LOL |
| 22:13.42 | explody | he's run a wire for you in 30 seconds flat |
| 22:13.46 | explody | he'd* |
| 22:13.54 | dalias | in fact... |
| 22:14.00 | psykon | i'm getting a laptop soon |
| 22:14.09 | dalias | you could edit a wikipedia article first to document the wireless/ED connection |
| 22:14.13 | dalias | and then show him wikipedia |
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| 22:14.17 | explody | then revert it |
| 22:14.19 | explody | HAHAHA |
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| 22:14.34 | psykon | or i can just copy-paste the source and edit ir |
| 22:14.35 | psykon | *it |
| 22:14.38 | psykon | and show offline |
| 22:14.45 | dalias | :P |
| 22:15.04 | psykon | guess what: won't work |
| 22:15.09 | psykon | he's too stupid |
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| 22:15.17 | psykon | well actually he is not stupid |
| 22:15.26 | psykon | he has confessed he did this to be able to control me |
| 22:15.34 | bulio | I installed openssh-server but it keeps saying connection refused when i try to connect to the machine |
| 22:15.36 | bulio | any ideas why? |
| 22:15.41 | explody | psykon: seriously though, get a full DVD image if you can burn DVDs, it will leave you with a totally complete install without network access, then all you have to do is get support for the rt25xx (which may already be in there somewhere, if not just DL and put it on CD also) |
| 22:15.42 | psykon | bulio, firewall? |
| 22:15.45 | bulio | port 22, inside the network |
| 22:15.55 | psykon | explody, are you crazy? on 512kbps |
| 22:15.59 | psykon | it will take forecer |
| 22:16.02 | psykon | *forever |
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| 22:16.19 | explody | psykon: you have several options: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 22:16.34 | psykon | now i remember |
| 22:16.42 | psykon | i tried installing debian recently |
| 22:16.46 | psykon | and wireless didn't work |
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| 22:16.53 | dalias | psykon, how does wireless help him "control you" ? |
| 22:17.07 | psykon | dalias, there's only one PCI wifi card here |
| 22:17.11 | dalias | he can unplug a wire more easily than coating the walls in tinfoil.. |
| 22:17.13 | juba | bulio: did you try to connect directly from the server on 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 22:17.45 | psykon | by the way |
| 22:17.48 | psykon | does debian "work" ? |
| 22:17.53 | dalias | work? |
| 22:17.56 | explody | eh? |
| 22:18.03 | psykon | i'm leaving gentoo because i have more to do than keep this working |
| 22:18.12 | explody | yes it's much easier to maintain |
| 22:18.22 | geo-rge | psykon: if you doubt t5hat, stay with what you have |
| 22:18.30 | psykon | geo-rge, not doubting, asking |
| 22:18.32 | dalias | i use debian specifically on machines that i don't want to have to work to maintain |
| 22:18.57 | psykon | but i also want resonably updated software |
| 22:19.00 | psykon | is tracking testing ok? |
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| 22:19.15 | explody | psykon: I run unstable, YMMV |
| 22:19.22 | dalias | for me, the biggest maintainence hassle is getting too much crap you don't want/need installed, so what i do is skip all the big install-profiles in 'tasksel' and just apt-get programs as i find i want them |
| 22:19.31 | dalias | and let it pull in the dependencies automagically |
| 22:19.39 | geo-rge | psykon: anything you track is a moving target... means of course it's less stable |
| 22:19.42 | psykon | does apt-get support some sort of depclean yet? |
| 22:19.46 | dalias | and yeah i run unstable too. very little is outdated in unstable |
| 22:20.04 | dalias | psykon, yep. it can auto-remove packages that were auto-installed and on which nothing depends anymore |
| 22:20.09 | explody | psykon: that's not really relevant in debian, packages get upgraded, not slotted |
| 22:20.17 | psykon | dalias, that's good |
| 22:20.20 | psykon | explody, hmm? |
| 22:20.22 | explody | but yes, what dalias said |
| 22:20.25 | blinker | explody: smartctl says that the overall health assessment passed, but it has errors listed. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36497/ |
| 22:20.36 | geo-rge | dalias: but you have to run aptitude for everything |
| 22:20.37 | psykon | wasn't only aptitude that supported that? |
| 22:20.39 | explody | blinker: I'd say that drive is about to die |
| 22:20.48 | dalias | geo-rge, no, apt-get can do it too in unstable :) |
| 22:20.59 | psykon | i know ubuntu's apt-get can do this |
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| 22:21.10 | geo-rge | apt-get was originally meant as a test of the apt libs |
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| 22:21.13 | geo-rge | nothing more |
| 22:21.17 | dalias | i hate aptitude because it uses 100-150 megs of memory and my box only has 128... thus swapping to hell |
| 22:21.23 | explody | dep-cleaning in debian is way less important thatn in gentoo |
| 22:21.25 | explody | than* |
| 22:21.28 | blinker | i'm reasonably certain that the drive is fine, but it did suffer a hot day in my car a couple weeks ago when i broke down. |
| 22:21.30 | psykon | explody, why? |
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| 22:21.44 | Sp4rKy | someone here can help me to set up a buildd on man computers ? |
| 22:22.11 | geo-rge | man computer |
| 22:22.15 | geo-rge | what's that? |
| 22:22.20 | explody | because gentoo does not upgrade as gracefully, I always had random leftover crap laying around... like old versions of slotted pacakges |
| 22:22.52 | explody | yes you can end up with unnecessary stuff in debian, but I find that it's smaller on disk and happens a lot less |
| 22:23.08 | dondelelcaro | cruft will help you get rid of even that |
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| 22:23.27 | jelly-home | debfoster too. :-) |
| 22:23.32 | dondelelcaro | (generally if a file is under /usr or /bin, /sbin, or /lib and doesn't belong to a package, it shouldn't be there. |
| 22:23.33 | explody | and "rm" |
| 22:23.36 | bulio | does anyone have a guide on setting up a vpn server on debian? |
| 22:23.55 | explody | bulio: openvpn.org |
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| 22:24.23 | psykon | i guess i'll wait for the laptop and install debian there |
| 22:24.57 | psykon | or maybe not |
| 22:25.02 | psykon | i'll install it here |
| 22:25.19 | psykon | i can always install using the netcd, boot into gentoo and install the rest |
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| 22:26.10 | Sp4rKy | geo-rge: many computers* |
| 22:26.12 | explody | psykon: just boot off the gentoo CD, and emerge "debootstrap" |
| 22:26.13 | Sp4rKy | sorry :) |
| 22:26.25 | psykon | i don't have a gentoo cd |
| 22:26.33 | psykon | i always install using ubuntu cd |
| 22:26.38 | explody | whichever |
| 22:26.42 | psykon | because it's the only one i found has the drivers |
| 22:26.47 | psykon | for the wireless card |
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| 22:27.54 | geo-rge | Sp4rKy: try #debian-devel |
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| 22:28.38 | Sp4rKy | k thanks |
| 22:28.45 | jordanb | Does it take more than a minute for anyone else to connect to ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 22:29.00 | jetscreamer | not yesterday for me |
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| 22:29.11 | jetscreamer | it's probably the round robin again |
| 22:29.19 | jetscreamer | and probably mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 22:29.41 | jordanb | Oh. |
| 22:29.47 | stiv2k | OKAY, what in a dist-upgrade could cause suspend to stop working all of a sudden? All the computer does is blank the screen but it never actually suspends |
| 22:29.50 | jordanb | How to I switch to a different host? |
| 22:29.57 | jetscreamer | works just fine for me atm though |
| 22:30.01 | jetscreamer | edit sources.list |
| 22:30.10 | explody | /etc/apt/source.list |
| 22:30.14 | explody | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:30.20 | Netham45 | haha, I just got the best error, "SSH: The Packet was garbled on transmisition." |
| 22:30.25 | jetscreamer | what he said, but the last |
| 22:30.38 | jordanb | I mean. |
| 22:30.43 | jordanb | In the round robbin. |
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| 22:30.47 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 22:30.49 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 22:30.57 | jordanb | I'll try restarting my dns server. |
| 22:31.06 | explody | my boxes hate me "SSH: You smell funny, g'way" |
| 22:31.24 | Netham45 | lol |
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| 22:32.46 | inzanez | hi all |
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| 22:33.41 | inzanez | I just changed the default locale on my system...now perl sais that only "UTF8" is supported on my system...I changed to ISO-8859-1...how do I get rid of that?... |
| 22:33.47 | inzanez | the warning... |
| 22:34.11 | explody | try "locale-gen" |
| 22:34.15 | explody | as root |
| 22:34.27 | inzanez | explody: done that...locale was generated, but perl still keeps complaining. |
| 22:34.44 | explody | you might need to edit /etc/locale.gen |
| 22:34.46 | inzanez | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 22:34.47 | inzanez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.47 | inzanez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.47 | inzanez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.05 | explody | inzanez: don't do that ;) |
| 22:35.07 | inzanez | ok, nice to know that... |
| 22:35.09 | inzanez | :D |
| 22:35.11 | geo-rge | !paste |
| 22:35.11 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:35.11 | inzanez | sorry |
| 22:35.23 | inzanez | ok, thanks :) |
| 22:35.39 | explody | anyway, you might need to edit /etc/locale.gen and make sure the locale you are using is actually getting generated |
| 22:35.43 | geo-rge | np, that will help you avoid the bot kick |
| 22:36.07 | inzanez | http://paste.debian.net/36385 |
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| 22:36.23 | inzanez | explody: done that,...the locale is generated :) but still not working... |
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| 22:36.28 | explody | inzanez: also check /etc/environment |
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| 22:36.42 | inzanez | explody: argh...ok :) found ;) |
| 22:36.54 | Spiritus55 | What is the command to delete all the associated packages with a program? |
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| 22:37.02 | Spiritus55 | apt-get or dpkg, I can't remember. |
| 22:37.27 | Spiritus55 | But, if you do apt-get remove <program> it just removes <program> not all the libraries and codecs that came with it. |
| 22:37.35 | explody | to completely delete all files from a package "dpkg --purge <pkgname>" |
| 22:38.27 | Spiritus55 | Not like a .deb |
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| 22:38.38 | Spiritus55 | Just something already gotten with apt-get or aptitude |
| 22:38.42 | Spiritus55 | Say I got kaffeine. |
| 22:38.50 | explody | dpkg --purge kaffeine |
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| 22:39.03 | Spiritus55 | I would use apt-get remove kaffeine to remove it, but that would only remove kaffeine. |
| 22:39.06 | Spiritus55 | So, it's purge? |
| 22:39.11 | themill | inzanez: btw you'd be better to leave your locale on utf8 rather than changing to iso8859-1 unless you've got a really good reason to. |
| 22:39.16 | Spiritus55 | dpkg --purge kaffeine? |
| 22:39.20 | Spiritus55 | Ok, thanks explody |
| 22:39.28 | explody | yep, read the dpkg manpage for more details |
| 22:39.35 | Spiritus55 | Ok, thanks. |
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| 22:40.34 | simmerz | im running a production etch box with lighttpd and rails. however, when I do /etc/init.d/lighttpd restart, neither the lighttpd process nor the ruby1.8 processes started for rails are killed. I have to manually kill them, then restart the server. any ideas? |
| 22:40.36 | inzanez | themill: well, I don't really see through that whole locale stuff to be honest...the reason I try to change it is,...I have a mysql database,...umlauts are stored correctly and are displayed as umlauts in a select query,...but as soon as I "SELECT into outfile"...the umlauts are gone and some weird signs appear ... |
| 22:40.51 | inzanez | themill: don't know if the locale is the problem?...but thought I might try... |
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| 22:41.30 | inzanez | themill: just realized that not the locale is the problem...:/ |
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| 22:41.42 | themill | inzanez: no... it's a connection and encoding problem |
| 22:42.08 | Spiritus55 | What is the dpkg command to show all currently installed packages? |
| 22:42.29 | unlink | dpkg -l |
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| 22:42.35 | geo-rge | dpkg --help |
| 22:42.35 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 22:42.36 | inzanez | themill: hm...how to solve that? I have another server where everything works fine...:) |
| 22:42.43 | themill | inzanez: you need to get the client application to enode the data properly and then the send it through a properly encoded link to the db and store it in a properly encoded database table. |
| 22:42.56 | themill | inzanez: using utf-8 from end to end is the easiest way of doing that |
| 22:43.17 | inzanez | themill: well, the client is on the same host as the server...and the default locale is utf-8 again... |
| 22:43.39 | p_masho | got a new server online and want to try a php accelerator before it goes live. I cant see mm-truck, e-accelerator of indeed find one in official .deb. Anyone point me in right direction pls. |
| 22:44.43 | geo-rge | can you get the sources? |
| 22:45.38 | themill | inzanez: the locale has little (nothing?) to do with it. You can tell mysql to use utf-8 for connections by default by editing my.cnf or by sending SET NAMES 'utf8' at the start of the connection. The db table (column, actually) also needs to have the same encoding which you can check using phpmyadmin or the cli tools. |
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| 22:45.56 | themill | inzanez: There's more on getting mysql to play nicely with utf-8 here: http://www.phpwact.org/php/i18n/utf-8/mysql |
| 22:46.14 | inzanez | themill: wow, ok :) thanks! |
| 22:46.18 | dalias | sadly i dont know all this stuff to help ppl :( |
| 22:46.42 | jelly-home | p_masho: there indeed isn't an official deb of eaccelerator, it has licensing/copyright issues |
| 22:46.48 | dalias | but i can sometimes diagnose problems anyway even tho i'm not familiar with the software |
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| 22:47.35 | jetscreamer | dalias: you won't be able to say that after a while in here |
| 22:47.45 | dalias | hm? |
| 22:47.47 | dalias | which part |
| 22:47.52 | dalias | i was talking about encoding problems |
| 22:48.05 | jetscreamer | in general |
| 22:48.22 | dalias | and which half won't i be able to say? :) |
| 22:48.46 | jetscreamer | the secret one |
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| 22:51.24 | dalias | hey |
| 22:51.58 | dalias | weird problem: i have eth0 configured for hotplug of the network cable, but the interface always comes up when i boot regardless of whether a cable is connected |
| 22:52.18 | dalias | after unplugging the cable once, it goes up/down properly |
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| 22:52.34 | jetscreamer | check for allow-hotplug vs auto in /etc/network/interfaces maybe |
| 22:52.35 | nozy_ | hi |
| 22:52.42 | nozy_ | all |
| 22:52.42 | dalias | it's allow-hotplug |
| 22:52.46 | jetscreamer | me i always have to make it auto |
| 22:52.52 | jetscreamer | no idea then |
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| 22:54.07 | jetscreamer | ahhhhhhh |
| 22:54.24 | jetscreamer | so when it's plugged in on_boot, allow-hotplug borks out |
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| 22:54.38 | jetscreamer | that explains my usual postinstall problem |
| 22:55.00 | dalias | i usually dont have the cable connected on boot |
| 22:55.06 | dalias | because i often use a wireless card instead |
| 22:55.15 | jetscreamer | i alway do, and never had a clue before |
| 22:55.22 | dalias | so having the interface come up on boot (and add a default route) makes an annoying problem |
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| 22:55.36 | jetscreamer | as to why that would bork on me after *every* install |
| 22:55.40 | dalias | i have to manually down it or the wireless won't work |
| 22:55.47 | jetscreamer | 20 installs, multiple boxes |
| 22:55.48 | mesof | how do i get flash working on 64bit sid |
| 22:55.55 | unlink | flash? |
| 22:55.59 | jetscreamer | or >20 no idea |
| 22:56.01 | dalias | mesof, use gnash |
| 22:56.04 | mesof | yes, flash for firefox |
| 22:56.10 | dalias | flash is non-free and probably doesn't have 64bit binaries |
| 22:56.14 | jetscreamer | macrodobe |
| 22:56.29 | mesof | dalias: how do i use gnash? will it work with firefox or iceweasel? |
| 22:56.40 | rcbarnes | dalias: definitely doesn't have 64-bit. |
| 22:56.50 | dalias | yes, but the extent to which gnash "works" is questionable |
| 22:56.55 | themill | dalias, jetscreamer: allow-hotplug is about the nic being plugged in and out not the cable. If you want the cable plug event to do something then you need ifplugd. |
| 22:57.05 | NicNac | how come 64bit doesnt have very much for it? |
| 22:57.08 | rcbarnes | does gnash work well enough for youtube? |
| 22:57.23 | streuner_ | try it |
| 22:57.30 | streuner_ | !info youtube-dl |
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| 22:57.37 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2007.08.24-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 22:57.42 | dalias | you at least need to install mozilla-plugin-gnash, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, and gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 to make it work |
| 22:57.46 | rcbarnes | NicNac: because lots of stuff was written non-portably (read: badly), and 64-bit from 32-bit is not an easy transition to make |
| 22:57.56 | NicNac | ahh |
| 22:57.58 | dalias | with these installed, youtube works |
| 22:58.07 | dalias | but it's extremely slow on my box |
| 22:58.14 | sam1338 | is it normal for a lenny netinst cd to be able to connect to a wifi network and download and install debian but not be able to connect to a wifi network once lenny is installed? |
| 22:58.17 | rcbarnes | streuner_: I've used that, but it's slightly annoying to have to do a full DL |
| 22:58.34 | dalias | it would be faster if you built gnash from source to use ffmpeg directly without the gstreamer bloatware in between forcing ultra-slow scaling code to be used |
| 22:58.40 | mesof | dalias: so if i install gnash flash will work? |
| 22:58.42 | NicNac | soon they will have to work more on it is it true that 32bit can only handle so much ram? |
| 22:58.46 | streuner_ | yeah, often NOT that fast |
| 22:59.01 | rcbarnes | dalias: is all that in etch, or do I need to backport? |
| 22:59.05 | dalias | mesof, hopefully, yes. it works for most flash for me |
| 22:59.09 | streuner_ | rcbarnes: flash stuff usually works for me |
| 22:59.13 | dalias | rcbarnes, i dunno. i use sid |
| 22:59.19 | streuner_ | rcbarnes: mozilla plugins |
| 23:00.11 | mesof | how do you run sysv-rc-conf? |
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| 23:00.27 | Rhoruns | why can't i remove privileges with my root account on mysql!?!?1 this is rediculous |
| 23:00.35 | streuner_ | rcbarnes: apt-cache search flash plugin |
| 23:00.45 | phlux | yay, IRC from school |
| 23:00.51 | mesof | dalias: do i need to logout for changes to take into effect? |
| 23:01.13 | dalias | mesof, gnash? |
| 23:01.22 | geo-rge | Rhoruns: what do you mean "remove privileges" |
| 23:01.27 | dalias | after installing the packages i said, just restarting firefox should be enough |
| 23:01.30 | dalias | no need to logout |
| 23:01.37 | mesof | okay |
| 23:01.40 | Rhoruns | i mean, revoke. im trying to delete a user and all of it's privileges. |
| 23:01.47 | rcbarnes | how are things going with gnash these days, anyway? |
| 23:02.02 | themill | Rhoruns: unless you removed the privs of the root user, you should be able to do so. |
| 23:02.09 | mesof | dalias: well how do you get it to work with firefox? |
| 23:02.12 | streuner_ | rcbarnes: find out via BTS |
| 23:02.13 | Rhoruns | i never touched the privs on the root. |
| 23:02.13 | geo-rge | man userdel |
| 23:02.15 | mesof | with youtube? |
| 23:02.17 | rcbarnes | The site seems to update rarely, and the stuff they list is a little abstracted from telling me how well it works. |
| 23:02.24 | rcbarnes | streuner_: bts? |
| 23:02.40 | themill | geo-rge: mysql privs not userdel |
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| 23:02.43 | streuner_ | rcbarnes: every time you visit a channel just read /topic first |
| 23:02.50 | mesof | dalias |
| 23:02.54 | dalias | mesof, if you installed mozilla-plugin-gnash package, it automatically works with firefox |
| 23:03.08 | themill | !tell rcbarnes about bts |
| 23:03.09 | dalias | scroll up and see the list of packages i said |
| 23:03.09 | geo-rge | he didn't say that :P but I digress, and back out |
| 23:03.21 | phlux | So deos anyone have compiz working for Debian? |
| 23:03.26 | phlux | does, rather. |
| 23:03.32 | phlux | Or anything similar? |
| 23:03.42 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 23:03.42 | dpkg | i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 23:03.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:03.45 | zinx | presumably someone somewhere does |
| 23:04.03 | mesof | dalias: you're the best! |
| 23:04.07 | Spiritus55 | I don't.. |
| 23:04.10 | phlux | Interesting. |
| 23:04.11 | phlux | Thanks. |
| 23:04.13 | Spiritus55 | I couldn't get compiz working. |
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| 23:04.28 | Spiritus55 | And couldn't get any help for it... |
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| 23:04.50 | explody | yes I am running compiz-fusion |
| 23:05.07 | Spiritus55 | I want to run compiz!!! |
| 23:05.10 | Spiritus55 | Would you help me explody? |
| 23:05.13 | phlux | ah yeah I've already tried all of that |
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| 23:05.17 | Spiritus55 | Plix! |
| 23:05.22 | phlux | I got some inderect rendering error |
| 23:05.26 | Rhoruns | meh.. compiz/beryl is a bit overrated. |
| 23:05.27 | dalias | mesof, does it work ok? |
| 23:05.30 | phlux | then when I got that fixed, the whole screen went totally white |
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| 23:05.44 | mesof | dalias: it works, thank you so much!!! |
| 23:05.48 | dalias | yay! |
| 23:05.48 | explody | #1 - I wouldn't bother if you have an ATI card |
| 23:05.54 | Spiritus55 | Crap... |
| 23:05.55 | dmlb2000 | How do I get a deb packages if I've already got the newest version of the package installed on my system... |
| 23:06.01 | mesof | after all this time!!! i feel like i could cry! |
| 23:06.05 | explody | #2 - I did this: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=2294 |
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| 23:06.09 | Spiritus55 | dmlb2000: what do you mean? |
| 23:06.14 | geo-rge | beryl is dead as a project |
| 23:06.15 | phlux | explody: I have an ATI card :( |
| 23:06.16 | dalias | i wanted to use gnash, but my comp isn't loaded with mem/speed, so it was too slow and made everything swap :( |
| 23:06.20 | phlux | What's wrong with ATI? |
| 23:06.21 | dalias | glad it works well for you tho! |
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| 23:06.32 | sam1338 | compiz-fusion works fine on ati cards with the open source driver |
| 23:06.32 | Rhoruns | i still like the name beryl :P |
| 23:06.36 | streuner_ | dmlb2000: why do you want the newest packages? |
| 23:06.40 | dmlb2000 | Spiritus55: ie, I have libc6 on my box installed already I want to download the deb package for it and take a look at it, how do I use apt to do that? |
| 23:06.40 | kenjy_ | guys can SFTP work with public and private dsa key's? |
| 23:06.41 | mesof | dalias: maybe you can further more help me though, i'm at www.scottrader.com and it's saying that i don't have java installed? |
| 23:06.44 | phlux | sam1338: I'm using the fglrx driver. |
| 23:06.55 | dalias | hmm, i dont know which packages to use for java |
| 23:06.57 | \amethyst | dmlb2000: if you installed it with apt-get, look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 23:06.57 | Spiritus55 | You could google for it, and just get the .deb |
| 23:06.57 | explody | I had nothing but problems with beryl, compiz and compiz-fusion on 2 different ATI cards |
| 23:07.08 | dalias | supposedly sun finally made java free tho, so maybe there are official debs for it..? |
| 23:07.09 | dmlb2000 | \amethyst: and if its not there? |
| 23:07.10 | sam1338 | phlux thats nice why did you tell me that? |
| 23:07.15 | explody | I've had no card-related problems on my Nvidias |
| 23:07.16 | Spiritus55 | I believe you could do a thing where you download it, just don't install. |
| 23:07.21 | Spiritus55 | But, I don't the exact command for it... |
| 23:07.28 | kenjy_ | hi guys |
| 23:07.39 | explody | dalias: apt-cache search jdk |
| 23:07.40 | phlux | sam1338: Is that the open source driver? |
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| 23:07.53 | explody | phlux: no |
| 23:07.55 | sam1338 | phlux no |
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| 23:08.04 | phlux | oh |
| 23:08.05 | \amethyst | dmlb2000: apt-get -d install libc6 |
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| 23:08.11 | phlux | what is? 'ati'? |
| 23:08.14 | \amethyst | dmlb2000: that will put them in the cache directory |
| 23:08.24 | \amethyst | dmlb2000: -d is also known as --download-only |
| 23:08.27 | dmlb2000 | \amethyst: tried that still says that the newest version is already installed... |
| 23:08.31 | kenjy_ | phlux can sftp work with public and private dsa key's? (like open ssh) |
| 23:08.35 | dmlb2000 | and doesn't do anything |
| 23:08.36 | kenjy_ | explody can sftp work with public and private dsa key's? (like open ssh) |
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| 23:08.38 | kpearce | sorry, this might be slightly off-topic, but I haven't got a response elsewhere (and it does relate to a debian machine): I think my MBR is corrupted (on a debian install) and I am trying to reinstall lilo using a knoppix live cd, but it complains about missing a kernel module called device-mapper. Any idea whether it is possible to use knoppix to do this? Is there a better way? (Right now, my computer won't boot from the hard drive bec |
| 23:08.42 | mesof | firefox/iceweasel keeps saying that i don't have java installed |
| 23:08.45 | kenjy_ | mesof can sftp work with public and private dsa key's? (like open ssh) |
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| 23:08.52 | mesof | how can I fix tis |
| 23:08.57 | mesof | kenjy_: i don't know |
| 23:08.58 | phlux | DANG |
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| 23:09.13 | \amethyst | dmlb2000: apt-get -d --reinstall install package |
| 23:09.22 | phlux | explody: What is the open source ATI Driver? Just set the driver to "ati" in my xorg.conf? |
| 23:09.36 | \amethyst | dmlb2000: something that might be a bit easier... aptitude download libc6 |
| 23:09.37 | explody | phlux: yep |
| 23:09.42 | phlux | Interesting |
| 23:09.45 | explody | phlux: er, actually "radeon" I think |
| 23:09.48 | phlux | I thought I needed the fglrx driver to get working |
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| 23:09.57 | simmerz | im running a production etch box with lighttpd and rails. however, when I do /etc/init.d/lighttpd restart, neither the lighttpd process nor the ruby1.8 processes started for rails are killed. I have to manually kill them, then restart the server. any ideas? |
| 23:10.03 | kenjy_ | tnks mesof |
| 23:10.10 | themill | kenjy_: sftp is just file transfer using ssh so yes. It will use the same keys. |
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| 23:10.27 | \amethyst | dmlb2000: aptitude download will download a package into the current directory regardless of whether it is already installed |
| 23:10.32 | themill | mesof: x86 or 64bit? |
| 23:10.36 | mesof | 64bit |
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| 23:11.07 | themill | then you've got some work ahead of you... |
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| 23:11.14 | dmlb2000 | \amethyst: thanks |
| 23:11.38 | mesof | themill: there isn't a java for 64? |
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| 23:12.59 | themill | mesof: there's ia32-sun-java5-bin whic runs sun java in a 32bit chroot of some description but otherwise no. Not yet. The free java vms *might* work for you but they might not either.... |
| 23:13.44 | mesof | and how can i test the free java vms or install it? |
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| 23:14.51 | dalias | is sun's java free now, or not? |
| 23:14.56 | themill | not yet |
| 23:14.58 | dalias | they had a big PR thing about making it free |
| 23:15.06 | dalias | but i was suspicious that it was bs.. |
| 23:16.12 | themill | dalias: http://openjdk.java.net/ and http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 23:18.58 | themill | mesof: there are some in debian so you can have a look to see if they have 64 versions. Look for packages that Provide java-virtual-machine, java2-runtime or java1-runtime. They will work with the alternatives system. |
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| 23:20.34 | pipeline | dalias: parts are, parts aren't. |
| 23:21.04 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:21.55 | dalias | how stupid.... |
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| 23:22.39 | autojack | I'm running software RAID 1 in Debian Etch. I'm going to replace a failed drive today, and someone yesterday pointed out that, since the dead drive is sda, I should make sure grub is installed on sda and sdb. otherwise the system might not boot after I replace it. |
| 23:22.46 | autojack | can anyone tell me how to figure that out? Google is failing me. |
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| 23:24.10 | mesof | themill: ia32-sun-java5-bin? |
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| 23:24.16 | mesof | also a java6 |
| 23:24.27 | mesof | try that? |
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| 23:24.59 | odine | is there any other gnome or x based irc clients that are any better than xchat? reinstalled debian on my box just now and its been a long time since i used it... but im loving it! |
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| 23:25.21 | themill | mesof: I don't use 64bit stuff and have never tried them so I'm the wrong person to ask. I can only tell you they exist. Perhaps google can answer your specific question now you know that package exists. |
| 23:25.42 | wiebel | hi there, I'm trying to full-upgrade from lenny to sid, and I get " linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 which is a virtual package.", how can I resolve that? |
| 23:26.44 | kyndabyffer | odine: use gaim, a simplest |
| 23:26.51 | explody | mesof: yes you can try the 32-bit java, and no there is no 64-bit java plugin for firefox |
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| 23:27.04 | explody | kyndabyffer: it's called pidgin now |
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| 23:27.40 | kyndabyffer | sure thing, but just apt-get install gaim, it will figure out the name |
| 23:28.01 | odine | kyndabyffer: thanks... totally forgot gaim had that built in |
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| 23:28.29 | \amethyst | odine: I use gnome-terminal -e irssi but that's probably not what you meant :) |
| 23:28.50 | odine | \amethyst: actually that would work fine too.. thanks... been so long... i used to use bitchx but i got sick of that client |
| 23:29.32 | psykon | odine, xchat is pretty good |
| 23:29.42 | odine | one more thing..... there was a line i always added to sources.list for additional non-free packages...... is it just non-free or is there another line to add? |
| 23:30.07 | mesof | explody: and just restart firefox to see if the changes worked? |
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| 23:30.26 | odine | the installer gui has gone A LONG WAY since i used debian last im very impressed... |
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| 23:30.29 | \amethyst | odine: some people use debian-multimedia too |
| 23:30.36 | explody | mesof: oh wait duh, no |
| 23:30.42 | \amethyst | odine: but those are even less official than non-free is :) |
| 23:30.56 | odine | is bitchx even still available through apt-get? |
| 23:31.12 | NicNac | we should have asci irc |
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| 23:31.45 | explody | mesof: the problem is that firefox/iceweasel is 64-bit, but the only java plugin available is 32-bit |
| 23:31.46 | geo-rge | that;s what it used to be |
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| 23:31.53 | themill | !tell odine about contrib |
| 23:31.58 | explody | mesof: it _might_ work with nspluginwrapper, but I'm not sure |
| 23:32.03 | odine | contrib... thats the other thing i added ;-) |
| 23:32.19 | explody | mesof: you can definitely run a 32-bit chroot version of firefox, but that is a pain in the ass IMHO |
| 23:32.27 | themill | !tell odine about dmm |
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| 23:32.40 | geo-rge | odine: http://packages.debian.org |
| 23:33.11 | explody | mesof: I usually just run konqueror to hit site that require the java plugin, konq uses java directly rather than the plugin and therefore does not have 32 vs. 64-bit issues |
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| 23:34.01 | wiebel | is there anything else I should care about when I upgrade to sid? |
| 23:34.10 | odine | again props to the devs... installer is kickass now.... even with a newer style mobo it picked up everything except my sound |
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| 23:35.29 | geo-rge | wiebel: you should care about your ability to solve problems, including problems in the kernel... you should care about your ability to program and debug in C, C++, java, perl, bash, python, tcl and any other language debian would support |
| 23:35.57 | bulio | does anyone have a guide on setting up a vpn server on debian? |
| 23:35.59 | geo-rge | wiebel: you should care about your ability to write bug reports which include your bug fixes |
| 23:36.29 | wiebel | geo-rge, no that's fine i'm worring about the actuall updating process not about having sid |
| 23:36.35 | geo-rge | you should care about these things because sid isn't supported here :) |
| 23:36.39 | odine | so i ran throguh dmesg to check for alsa or sound related errors and i saw nothing.. where else can i check..... to figure out where my problem lies..... a8n32-sli deluxe motherboard...realtek onboard |
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| 23:37.20 | geo-rge | aside from which, sid is where the action is, so you could be the first to run into certain problems |
| 23:37.28 | celador | Is there a .deb package for QT 4.3.1? |
| 23:37.54 | geo-rge | and one more thing, you should care about your ability to read the debian bug tracking system. running sid, you will be there A LOT |
| 23:38.21 | explody | bulio: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+vpn+server+howto&btnG=Google+Search |
| 23:38.22 | kyndabyffer | odine: you can get all the alsa packages, a good set of drvers and detection |
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| 23:38.31 | geo-rge | celador: http://packages.debian.org |
| 23:38.35 | wiebel | geo-rge, NOT running it, i already had that experience it's about getting there |
| 23:38.41 | themill | !info libqt4-core |
| 23:38.45 | dpkg | libqt4-core: (Qt 4 core non-GUI functionality runtime library), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1614 kB, Installed size: 4832 kB |
| 23:38.51 | themill | celador: ^^ |
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| 23:39.10 | Drk_Avenger | Hi guys! |
| 23:39.15 | celador | themill: thanks |
| 23:39.23 | phlux | openoffice.org is only 38 MB for Debian and 108 for Windows. |
| 23:39.24 | Drk_Avenger | !alsa |
| 23:39.25 | dpkg | alsa is probably http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 23:39.35 | Drk_Avenger | Guys |
| 23:39.45 | geo-rge | wiebel: if you don't have these abilities, I hope you have a good backup system AND plan :) |
| 23:39.48 | Drk_Avenger | I have problems with alsa and totem |
| 23:40.08 | geo-rge | even if you do have those abiulities, back up |
| 23:40.17 | wiebel | geo-rge, ... |
| 23:40.45 | kyndabyffer | alsa vs. totem alsa-oss package |
| 23:40.53 | wiebel | geo-rge, I do not worry about running sid, I'm fine with that I run gentoo ~x86 fixed all bugs that came along .... |
| 23:41.12 | geo-rge | you might even want to back up before you upgrade to sid |
| 23:41.18 | wiebel | geo-rge, I only want to now if there is anything important to know FOR GETING THERE |
| 23:41.42 | geo-rge | backing up before you do it is important. |
| 23:41.42 | wiebel | geo-rge, yeah ok, but .. |
| 23:41.51 | Drk_Avenger | kyndabyffer: Wtf? |
| 23:41.53 | dalias | umm |
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| 23:42.06 | dalias | if your /home is separate, little danger in upgrading |
| 23:42.17 | dalias | at worst you'll have to reinstall but your /home will still be there |
| 23:42.33 | wiebel | geo-rge, bakups are overrated *duck* |
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| 23:42.50 | geo-rge | so is the value of your data, in that case :) |
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| 23:43.00 | geo-rge | it's up to you |
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| 23:43.26 | wiebel | sure the valuable datas are safed on my other machine |
| 23:44.04 | geo-rge | then the only thing remaning is your decision to do it |
| 23:44.17 | wiebel | but you also don't know of a special thing to do to upgrade to sid |
| 23:44.36 | geo-rge | no, I don't support sid (as I said before) |
| 23:44.43 | wiebel | claws-mail decided it for me ;) |
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| 23:45.44 | geo-rge | if you want to upgrade to sid, do it... but don't ask me how, and don't ask me anything after you get there |
| 23:46.25 | wiebel | btw. I get very confusing errors from claws-mail when I try to load plugins: "This module is not licenced under a GPL v2 or later compatible licence." |
| 23:46.32 | wiebel | is there anything known? |
| 23:46.43 | geo-rge | bugs.debian.org |
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| 23:47.02 | wiebel | ;) |
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| 23:49.43 | Drk_Guy | Hey guys |
| 23:49.49 | Drk_Guy | Can anyone help me with ALSA? |
| 23:49.59 | streuner_ | just ask |
| 23:50.03 | Drk_Guy | i'm on Etch |
| 23:50.07 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 23:50.07 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 23:50.07 | streuner_ | fine |
| 23:50.17 | Drk_Guy | It always say "Resource busy" |
| 23:50.24 | Drk_Guy | And the video too |
| 23:50.26 | dalias | wiebel, probably you're trying to use non-free plugins..? :O |
| 23:50.44 | wiebel | Drk_Guy, try fuse /dev/dsp |
| 23:50.49 | Drk_Guy | I can't play anything |
| 23:50.59 | streuner_ | did you use "alsaconf"? |
| 23:51.03 | wiebel | dalias, no but GPLv1 licensed |
| 23:51.17 | Drk_Guy | wiebel: Command not found |
| 23:51.26 | streuner_ | !installit |
| 23:51.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 23:51.39 | dalias | wiebel, oh |
| 23:51.44 | mesof | java didn't work |
| 23:51.48 | mesof | on 64 |
| 23:51.51 | dalias | wow that must be some old code |
| 23:51.55 | dalias | i've almost never seen gplv1 code |
| 23:52.12 | wiebel | dalias, i think it will be fine after my full-upgrade |
| 23:52.24 | wiebel | dalias, ooops, you're right |
| 23:52.26 | Drk_Guy | Debian is really similar to Ubuntu on Cmd line |
| 23:52.37 | explody | you have that backwards |
| 23:52.50 | geo-rge | it's also really similar to any unix :) |
| 23:52.55 | wiebel | i thought it was complaining about the new license, but that is v3 hmm.. strange |
| 23:53.12 | odine | k, alsa all set now... |
| 23:53.12 | explody | geo-rge: dynix? ;) |
| 23:53.18 | geo-rge | in that way that is |
| 23:53.26 | wiebel | Drk_Guy, hmmm... Ubunti IS debian after all |
| 23:53.30 | Drk_Guy | Yeah!!! |
| 23:53.32 | geo-rge | no |
| 23:53.33 | pipeline | wiebel: no |
| 23:53.37 | Drk_Guy | Alsaconf worked GREAT |
| 23:53.39 | pipeline | wiebel: based upon isn't the same |
| 23:53.41 | odine | i remember the days.... had to install forcedeth drivers ur self if and just about everything else nvidia related... very nice... debian has come a long way |
| 23:53.49 | Drk_Guy | Thanks to the guy who said so |
| 23:53.57 | odine | the only thing i really need to boot into windows for from now on is WoW |
| 23:54.03 | wiebel | pipeline, isn't it just debian with own repos? |
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| 23:54.19 | Drk_Guy | I didn't have to install anything else in Debian |
| 23:54.30 | geo-rge | wiebel: the packages are probably different |
| 23:54.33 | Drk_Guy | The CD came with everything i expected from Debian |
| 23:54.41 | wiebel | odine, shouldn't WoW play fine under wine? |
| 23:54.43 | xored | after stoping a raid with mdadm -s /dev/md0 how to activate it again ? |
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| 23:54.44 | Drk_Guy | (Except GIMP and OpenOffice.Org |
| 23:54.48 | Drk_Guy | )= |
| 23:55.11 | wiebel | geo-rge, imho the pakage managemant mostly defines the distro |
| 23:55.24 | odine | wiebel: i heard it runs but crashes and is alot slower still |
| 23:55.25 | bulio | does anyone use nagios on debian? |
| 23:55.26 | wiebel | but sure, there are differences |
| 23:55.36 | Drk_Guy | In Ubuntu, i had to get trough the painfull process of d/l'ing codecs and S*** |
| 23:56.05 | Drk_Guy | odine: Maybe VmWare might help with WoW |
| 23:56.06 | wiebel | odine, as for Worcraft3 it was way faster under wine then native |
| 23:56.16 | bulio | I installed nagios, now how do I access the web interface? |
| 23:56.26 | geo-rge | wiebel: so if you were to get windows packaged in debian packages, you'd think that's debian? :) |
| 23:56.46 | Drk_Guy | geo-rge: I'm with ya buddy |
| 23:57.20 | wiebel | geo-rge, if i see redmont chnging from cab to deb, I'll be so happy it wouldn't matter what I call it. *g* |
| 23:57.47 | odine | ill try playing around with both... see what i come up with |
| 23:58.02 | geo-rge | it -could- be that you're right, it could be very close. BUT the key words are "could be", and it could be very different as well |
| 23:58.16 | wiebel | ack |
| 23:59.03 | wiebel | but the pakage management is most cruical, the rest could be handled with vi |
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