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| 00:03.31 | chrisvarns | btw, im trying to get it working so i can play quake4, im not sure if that changes anything in how i get it working |
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| 00:09.04 | Detox_at_Home | hi |
| 00:09.18 | Detox_at_Home | cn anyone asisst in talk or write command? |
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| 00:10.39 | path_ | could you be more specific Detox_at_Home ? |
| 00:10.44 | Detox_at_Home | talk command |
| 00:10.54 | Detox_at_Home | following man page but cannot seem to get it to work |
| 00:11.29 | Detox_at_Home | all on same pc |
| 00:11.29 | Detox_at_Home | <Detox_at_Home> tried ssh into my other box ,,, but invitation fails no matter what i do |
| 00:12.16 | Detox_at_Home | myself an another person do work on a remote pc ,, and would like to communicate with him with out using vnc |
| 00:12.32 | GhostlyDeath | How do I recover icons that fell off the GNOME desktop? |
| 00:12.35 | GhostlyDeath | like Trash |
| 00:12.38 | Detox_at_Home | but talk and write command ,, jsut cannot figure out how to use |
| 00:12.42 | GhostlyDeath | It's off the screen |
| 00:12.42 | gpm | GhostlyDeath: you can configure that |
| 00:12.50 | gpm | GhostlyDeath: it's in nautilus prefs i think |
| 00:12.55 | gpm | if not, definitely in gconf-editor |
| 00:13.07 | Detox_at_Home | tried ssh into my other box ,,, but invitation fails no matter what i do |
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| 00:18.04 | h0t_girl | 105A-E8C0-E5CB-1F03-AD0C-B44D-6153-5125 |
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| 00:20.09 | n3kl | Is there any possible way to use an X session residing on another machine as another monitor? I would like to be able to use my accross two different X sessions on two different machines. |
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| 00:20.57 | nalioth | n3kl: i think it's called "x forwarding" |
| 00:21.31 | Ankman | i don't think you can take over an existing X session |
| 00:21.36 | Ankman | not sure though |
| 00:21.42 | Madkiss | how do i configure the default login shell? |
| 00:21.54 | gpm | Madkiss: chsh |
| 00:22.02 | Madkiss | that's for individual users. |
| 00:22.10 | gpm | oooh |
| 00:22.30 | n3kl | Madkiss: for x in user1 user2 user3; do chsh ... |
| 00:22.39 | Madkiss | n3kl: that's for individual users. |
| 00:23.32 | n3kl | nalioth: forwarding is for only a specific appliction though. I guess you could forward an entire x session, but vnc would do the trick for that. |
| 00:23.59 | Madkiss | /etc/default/useradd it seems |
| 00:24.10 | Ankman | Madkiss: in /etc/passwd |
| 00:24.37 | Madkiss | well, it was not default |
| 00:25.02 | Madkiss | Ankman: you're one step too late. your idea is to change the shell *after* the user has been added. i want the shell to be zsh *when* the user is added. |
| 00:25.17 | petemc | then you should have said that |
| 00:25.22 | Madkiss | i did |
| 00:25.33 | Ankman | oh |
| 00:25.39 | gpm | eh, the question was a little vague, but it's hard to be precise in times of stress |
| 00:25.48 | Madkiss | whatever :) |
| 00:25.59 | duri | recently switched to debian as a distro ... if one does not find a package in the official repository what is/are other unofficial, still reputable, repositories ? |
| 00:25.59 | Madkiss | looks like it's adduser.conf or something |
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| 00:26.25 | Ankman | useradd .. -s /bin/chcs user |
| 00:26.39 | duri | do I just need to cast a wider net ... with apt.source |
| 00:26.41 | Madkiss | uhm, not adduser.conf |
| 00:26.52 | gpm | but he wants to edit a conf file i think |
| 00:28.04 | gpm | it's not /etc/adduser.conf huh? |
| 00:28.17 | gpm | DSHELL |
| 00:28.50 | gpm | i don't see what else it could be |
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| 00:29.31 | Kumbi | hey |
| 00:29.41 | Kumbi | what do i need to do to install java |
| 00:29.46 | Kumbi | aptitude install what? |
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| 00:30.10 | Staz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.13 | gpm | Kumbi: do you want to program in java? run applets? |
| 00:30.22 | Kumbi | run applets |
| 00:30.26 | gpm | ok |
| 00:30.29 | Staz | oh |
| 00:30.29 | Kumbi | i do not need to program in java |
| 00:30.33 | gpm | you want a browser plugin too i suppose? |
| 00:30.43 | Kumbi | yeah |
| 00:30.59 | gpm | aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
| 00:31.09 | gpm | but you should've searched on your own |
| 00:31.18 | Kumbi | it says can't find any package whose name or description matched |
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| 00:31.24 | Kumbi | i already did apt-cache search java |
| 00:31.26 | gpm | oh |
| 00:31.33 | gpm | it said it can't find sun-java6-jre? |
| 00:32.04 | hermogenes | Kumbi: the suns java packages are on the non-free repositories |
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| 00:32.27 | foo | !ops Fire is a bot. He PMs on join. 17:32 <Fire> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 00:32.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: foo complains about: Fire is a bot. He PMs on join. 17:32 <Fire> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 00:33.35 | pngwn | foo, probably don't need to paste it's url |
| 00:33.51 | gpm | hey, i want free porno |
| 00:34.49 | foo | hm, K-lined. That's what I'm talking about :) |
| 00:34.53 | Kumbi | oh hermogenes |
| 00:35.47 | simonrvn | probably? you're making the asshole's job easier by pasting it... |
| 00:36.39 | foo | eh, I pasted it to show what the bot said. It builds up the integrity of my statement. Chill guys. If you don't like it, don't look at it. |
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| 00:36.53 | Kumbi | Toyd how's the food? nice? |
| 00:37.25 | Dreamlinux | hi boys.. i get it... |
| 00:37.45 | Dreamlinux | and last.. i configurate de auido in my tvcard... hell yeah :) |
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| 00:37.54 | Kumbi | english pls |
| 00:37.54 | Dreamlinux | jeje |
| 00:38.02 | Dreamlinux | sorry.. |
| 00:38.07 | Kumbi | is that fench? |
| 00:38.11 | Kumbi | french* |
| 00:38.15 | simonrvn | that was english, albeit a bit mangled |
| 00:38.20 | Dreamlinux | no! :) |
| 00:38.28 | Kumbi | you configured the audio in your tv card |
| 00:38.30 | Kumbi | right? |
| 00:38.37 | Dreamlinux | yep dude |
| 00:38.48 | Dreamlinux | i so happy :) |
| 00:38.48 | gpm | no, he configurate de audio |
| 00:38.49 | Kumbi | at 1st glance it looked like french |
| 00:38.52 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.56 | efaistos | did someone has to implement tinyerp or any other ERP in a linux environment ? |
| 00:39.09 | simonrvn | bERP? |
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| 00:40.58 | efaistos | Enterprise Ressource Planning ... |
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| 00:44.55 | simonrvn | not me, obviosuly ;) |
| 00:45.01 | simonrvn | obviously* |
| 00:46.53 | Dreamlinux | this is the correct configuration for the TVCard | dreamlinux@dreamdebian:~$ lspci | grep SAA |
| 00:46.53 | Dreamlinux | 00:08.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 10) |
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| 00:47.13 | Dreamlinux | dreamlinux@dreamdebian:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/saa7134 |
| 00:47.13 | Dreamlinux | alias char-major-81 videodev |
| 00:47.13 | Dreamlinux | alias char-major-81-0 saa7134 |
| 00:47.13 | Dreamlinux | options saa7134 card=95 tuner=17 alsa=0 |
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| 00:47.55 | gpm | use paste, #flood, or #nobody_cares |
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| 00:48.29 | Dreamlinux | sorry i forgeret :( |
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| 00:49.47 | gan|y|med | hi all |
| 00:50.05 | namit_home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:51.02 | gan|y|med | can anybody tell me where i can get kernel patches so as to end up with a more responsive system? |
| 00:51.02 | simonrvn | deps can't be satisfied, so they're being held at the version installed |
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| 00:51.37 | omri | off topic: any idea why gtk.TextBuffer get_end_iter() after inserting text doesn't point to the bottom of the text untill the event ends? |
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| 00:54.26 | gan|y|med | can i end up with a less responsive system if i use a low latency kernel??? |
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| 00:55.40 | printk | namit_home, i've also seen it like dist-upgrade will upgrade them, but just "upgrade" won't. |
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| 00:55.55 | printk | namit_home, like run apt-get dist-upgrade, upgrade, and dselect-upgrade. |
| 00:56.03 | kairu0 | i'm using clamscan to scan email, and it takes the cpu usage to 99% or 100% sometimes. anyone know how to limit this? |
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| 00:56.39 | namit_home | kairu0: what are u using to check cpu usage? |
| 00:56.55 | kairu0 | namit_home, top, and the load average gets up to 4.0 too |
| 00:57.04 | namit_home | printk: yes but that will reconfigure my settings on everything? |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | where'd he go damnit |
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| 01:02.04 | xerophyte | any good vpn clients, how can i configure vpn client access using debian |
| 01:02.51 | nevyn | I like kvpnc |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | xerophyte: depends on the endpoint |
| 01:03.42 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: kvpnc offers a graphical config. have you got a profile file? |
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| 01:04.16 | xerophyte | abrotman, i have cisco vpn endpoint |
| 01:04.30 | abrotman | i think that's a tricky one |
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| 01:04.38 | gan|y|med | you can import cisco profiles in kvpnc |
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| 01:04.48 | abrotman | might depend on the cisco settings though |
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| 01:04.57 | cry0x | 2gb of ram ftw |
| 01:05.14 | smacnay | Hi, I need to change my /var/spool/mail dir to allow lockfiles to be created. The messag I get says the dir needs to be 01777 - I am not familiar with how to chmod to this setting - is it simply "chmod 01777"? |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | vpnc apparently should work in most cases |
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| 01:05.36 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: you'll need to decrypt the group password thugh |
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| 01:05.43 | abrotman | of course .. there's also a cisco client for debian |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | erm .. for linux |
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| 01:05.59 | gan|y|med | which is not to be recommended |
| 01:06.06 | gan|y|med | needs to be compiled |
| 01:06.21 | gan|y|med | with a kernel module, which can be VERY tricky |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | google "cisco vpn debian" |
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| 01:08.07 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, i am confused :( |
| 01:08.31 | xerophyte | abrotman, its ask for ispec id when i use the vnpc .. i only have username and password with ip address |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | oh jeez |
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| 01:09.04 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: why don't you try kvpnc, it is not perfect, but more intuitive |
| 01:09.10 | [gloom] | xerophyte: the last time i was trying to use kvpn as a front end for vpnc, it was older than the vpnc version on the reps, so it has a bug about parameter nomenclature... Using vnpc from a shell script works fine for me. |
| 01:09.12 | mentor | People angry make mentor, mentor smite. |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 01:09.48 | gan|y|med | you can import the profile, but you need to add the group password, which is encrypted. but there are plenty of sites offering a decryption |
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| 01:09.54 | abrotman | mentor: that's PA's best common beer! |
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| 01:10.26 | mentor | alcohol make mentor mellow |
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| 01:10.33 | abrotman | !beer mentor |
| 01:12.15 | mentor | Does the Iceweasel icon look like a living 70s bouncer thing? |
| 01:12.18 | mentor | to anyone else |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | the blue one ? |
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| 01:12.54 | abrotman | the green one looked like a dancing booger |
| 01:12.57 | Mole | how do i make my homedirectory non-readable by other users? |
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| 01:13.21 | abrotman | Mole: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 01:13.27 | mentor | I think it's a aqua-shade of azurey indigo |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | Mole: or man chmod ... look at o-ther permissions |
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| 01:13.53 | abrotman | mentor: it's better than the booger :) |
| 01:14.14 | mentor | Yes, but it's smiling at me in a disturbing manner |
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| 01:14.22 | John | How to add a face? |
| 01:14.23 | Mole | abrotman : how about that dialog you sometimes get asking if i want "system-wide readable homedirectories"..how do i dpkg-reconfigure that? and is it for new users only? |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | that's part of the installer .. not sure you can get back to it |
| 01:15.01 | mentor | johns^: You should have been issued with one of those when you were born |
| 01:15.03 | abrotman | it was base-config in sarge |
| 01:15.18 | mentor | John: You should have been issued with one of those when you were born |
| 01:15.28 | Mole | abrotman : ok thanks |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | Mole: though .. chmod -R o-rwx $HOME .. should work also |
| 01:16.01 | John | I mean an emotion |
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| 01:16.38 | Guerin | John: it's called an `emo' now |
| 01:16.42 | cast | doh. how do i stop ssh from freaking out when sshing to the same host which has two different sshd's running? [xen] thats without turning off the key checking completely |
| 01:16.43 | MF2HX | hi. i have a question :) is anyone home? lol |
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| 01:16.56 | abrotman | MF2HX: about 730 people or so |
| 01:17.08 | mentor | John: You should have developed those as your brain formed in the womb. |
| 01:17.17 | MF2HX | ;) i'll be a sec to py it |
| 01:17.21 | Guerin | cast: set it to warn |
| 01:17.22 | mentor | John: Are you talking about a specific application? |
| 01:17.26 | MF2HX | type |
| 01:18.05 | mentor | abrotman: I have a sense of humour, it's just that you don't care for it. :p |
| 01:18.21 | abrotman | because it results in me being kickbanned :) |
| 01:18.25 | Guerin | mentor: that's what dick cheney says too |
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| 01:18.31 | voxvirus | hi |
| 01:18.39 | abrotman | Guerin: didn't he shoot someone? |
| 01:18.45 | sputnick | good night all |
| 01:18.48 | Guerin | abrotman: hilarious, wasn't it? |
| 01:18.59 | abrotman | Guerin: depends on which end of the gun you were on i suppose |
| 01:19.27 | Guerin | abrotman: the shootee clearly got the joke, else he'd have sued |
| 01:19.33 | cast | Guerin: any idea what option? can't find it on the man page |
| 01:19.37 | mentor | abrotman: If it makes you feel any better, I've just broken the LCD panel on my laptop |
| 01:19.41 | mentor | abrotman: karma for you |
| 01:19.42 | John | No ,I mean how to add a :) look in this irc room ,it looks funny |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | Guerin: or he wanted a job in the gov't |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | mentor: you borked it .. how ? |
| 01:20.00 | Guerin | cast: it's definitely there |
| 01:20.14 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, when i try to create profile with KVpnc its complaing saying there is no vpnc daemon is not running ?? do you know why |
| 01:20.19 | mentor | John: Which application are you using to connect to IRC. |
| 01:20.20 | mentor | ? |
| 01:20.20 | asg | abrotman: B|N>L I suspect |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | mentor: i broke the hinge on this one .. but it was a $25USD part |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:20.34 | MF2HX | i have carpel tunnel in my right hand and can really no longer use a mouse. i like to use windowmaker though. is it possible to do all the things i used to do with a mouse, on the keyboard, sort of like keyboard shortcuts? i use X mainly for mozilla (where i would use a sort of caret browsing, etc) , xpdf, gv, dillo, etc. i can type no prob. but the mouse needs to be put in the garbage. |
| 01:20.46 | John | I use ChatZilla |
| 01:20.52 | mentor | John: IRC is a text based protocol, there are no images. Any such things would be done by client side post processing |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | MF2HX: tab doesn't work ? |
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| 01:21.13 | mentor | John: I suggest looking up chatzilla documentation then :) |
| 01:21.31 | mentor | abrotman: No, I appear to have broken a couple of column and row drivers. |
| 01:21.35 | Guerin | cast: StrictHostKeyChecking should be no |
| 01:21.40 | Guerin | or off or whatever it is |
| 01:21.52 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: first, why do you want to create a profile? second, have you installed vpnc (most probably you have, just checking) |
| 01:21.56 | mentor | abrotman: They appear to be driven low, so I've got white stripes |
| 01:21.56 | John | mentor:thanks, I got it |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | mentor: ouch ... |
| 01:22.09 | cast | Guerin: hmm, ahh. its set to ask atm. |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | mentor: so it's hardware .. not software ? |
| 01:22.25 | mentor | abrotman: bastard ribbon cables; definitely |
| 01:22.33 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, the company i work for only give me username and password for the cisco vpn .. trying to connect |
| 01:22.35 | cast | nice :> |
| 01:22.38 | mentor | abrotman: They work if I wiggle the screen. |
| 01:22.42 | abrotman | mentor: well .. ribbon cables are cheap .. displays are not |
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| 01:23.02 | mentor | abrotman: Yes, but these are custom ribbon cables bonded to the LCD pannel |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | oh .. no socket ? |
| 01:23.22 | mentor | Well, yes, but it's not those ribbon cables |
| 01:23.37 | mentor | It's the ones going around the side to the actual glass |
| 01:23.53 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, its asking for something about group ? |
| 01:24.03 | gan|y|med | mmmh, there should be a profile for your company client. maybe you can also export one with the cisco client, dunno. |
| 01:24.04 | voxvirus | just out of curiosity, is anyone else having problems with epiphany 2.18? (ie. mouse gestures not working though activated, textboxes not getting input, etc) |
| 01:24.06 | mentor | Oh that's the problem with the iceweasel icon; the weasel has a deformed tail |
| 01:24.12 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: group passwd? |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | mentor: so you'd need a whole new top half ? |
| 01:24.30 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: wait, i am checking my profile file |
| 01:24.37 | abrotman | or screen at least |
| 01:24.41 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, okay i only have username and password |
| 01:24.51 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, and the ip address |
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| 01:25.02 | abrotman | !wb wols_ |
| 01:25.02 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! wols_ has returned! |
| 01:25.21 | mentor | abrotman: Well, probably. I can install a new LCD panel by myself |
| 01:25.23 | MF2HX | hmmm. |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | mentor: i've had my TP apart .. it's pretty easy .. though i can't comment on too many other models |
| 01:25.53 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: i think you definitely need a group passwd. at least there is an encrypted one in my profiles (in both of them, for wlan and vpn) |
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| 01:26.09 | abrotman | toshiba circa 2002 or so are a bitch |
| 01:26.18 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: maybe they haven't set one, dunno. but this is not the main problem now, right? |
| 01:26.22 | mentor | abrotman: I've had to replace the DC inpput board twice already, so I know my way around. |
| 01:26.24 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, hmmm let me talk to the lan guys tomorrow and find out |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | mentor: time for a new laptop maybe? :) |
| 01:26.36 | xerophyte | gan|y|med, i am not able to connect to the company network |
| 01:27.00 | gan|y|med | xerophyte: still the vpnc error? |
| 01:27.12 | xerophyte | i am not able to connect |
| 01:27.13 | MF2HX | did my question print? |
| 01:27.16 | mentor | abrotman: I'd love to; you paying? |
| 01:27.33 | abrotman | mentor: i hear gateway laptops are cheap :) |
| 01:27.43 | gan|y|med | ok, but kvpnc doesn't complain? cause then it's most likely the setting |
| 01:27.45 | mentor | I've got a cheap laptop here. |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | i've been thinking about a new/smaller TP .. but i'm not sure what i'd do with mine |
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| 01:28.34 | qiyong | dovecot and courier, which is faster? |
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| 01:28.50 | abrotman | i guess finding a deserving/needy DD would work |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | though .. i'd have to get a new one first |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | qiyong: faster isn't an issue so much as featuer set |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | feature |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | qiyong: and stability |
| 01:30.29 | qiyong | abrotman, then, which is more stable? |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | qiyong: if you don't have needs more than IMAP dovecot is probably faster .. while courier is probably more stable .. of course .. you should do your own testing |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | erm .. simple IMAP |
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| 01:31.34 | qiyong | abrotman, i just need imap, maybe also pop |
| 01:31.50 | abrotman | qiyong: they should both be fine |
| 01:31.52 | Guerin | qiyong: i'd go with dovecot |
| 01:31.57 | abrotman | and even cyrus would work |
| 01:32.15 | Guerin | courier is great once you have it set up, but it's a complete bastard to set up certain things (like virtual user authentication) |
| 01:32.21 | Guerin | eew, cyrus |
| 01:32.24 | Guerin | worst of a bad bunch |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | Guerin: great for shared folders |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | Guerin: great for shared folders where you don't want admin intervention |
| 01:32.52 | Guerin | abrotman: perhaps so. |
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| 01:33.11 | qiyong | Guerin, i need virtual user |
| 01:33.51 | qiyong | dovecot has no shared folders? Guerin |
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| 01:34.31 | abrotman | qiyong: it does in newer versions |
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| 01:35.15 | abrotman | Guerin: i tried for ages to get sarge's courier/dovecot to do shared folders like i wanted .. neither could do it .. etch's dovecot probably cqn |
| 01:35.16 | abrotman | can |
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| 01:37.25 | nn-main | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 01:37.26 | dpkg | 1 |
| 01:37.31 | nn-main | !!!!!!!!! |
| 01:37.37 | nn-main | !moo |
| 01:37.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:37.59 | asg | nn-main: the short bus leaves in just a short time |
| 01:38.08 | abrotman | !asg++ |
| 01:38.08 | Guerin | nn-main: please to be getting on i t |
| 01:38.09 | nn-main | ok |
| 01:38.15 | asg | abrotman: danke |
| 01:38.17 | asg | !beer abrotman |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:39.01 | Ankman | heh |
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| 01:39.24 | asg | abrotman: Spaten Optimator still sounds like a marital aid though |
| 01:39.32 | nzk | Is there a good GUI text editor for Debian that has FTP support and stuff |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | asg: ever seen Top Secret! ? |
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| 01:39.43 | asg | nzk: emacs |
| 01:39.50 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 01:40.05 | abrotman | asg: though .. i can't for the life of me remember the name of the marital aid in it |
| 01:40.08 | asg | abrotman: chocolate mousse |
| 01:40.17 | asg | abrotman: that wasn't it though |
| 01:40.20 | nzk | GUI |
| 01:40.22 | nzk | not CLI |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | no .. thatwas a member of the resistance! |
| 01:40.29 | asg | nzk: emacs has X support |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | along with deja vu |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | and croissant! |
| 01:40.42 | asg | abrotman: le resistance |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:41.00 | abrotman | oh wait .. i think it was called the "anal impaler" |
| 01:41.06 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | it was something like that |
| 01:41.19 | asg | abrotman: I have a real genius block on now though |
| 01:41.28 | abrotman | asg: i own it! |
| 01:41.36 | asg | abrotman: so do I, on VHS no less |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | asg: we should sent it to resiak :) |
| 01:41.44 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 01:42.07 | asg | "Kent? Kent? This is God" |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | and do i need region bullshit ? |
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| 01:43.04 | asg | abrotman: ah, good point. Probably better to rip it and up it. Put $10 in the mailbox with MPAA written on it in large friendly letters |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | if i just order it from amazon.co.uk .. it'd be cheap! |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | and the correct region! |
| 01:43.44 | abrotman | why are there DVD regions again? |
| 01:43.54 | asg | abrotman: to stop piracy |
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| 01:44.01 | Guerin | because the MPAA are retarded |
| 01:44.02 | simonrvn | to fuck people over |
| 01:44.05 | asg | abrotman: and control the distribution of media |
| 01:44.15 | Guerin | asg: or not, as the case is in reality |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | oh that's right .. no good reason :) |
| 01:44.25 | simonrvn | abrotman: *ding* |
| 01:44.38 | asg | Guerin: in reality, that's true. The intent was to do so. |
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| 01:44.50 | Guerin | i think a strong case has been made that regions and weak DRM encourages a culture of circumvention, thereby actually achieving the opposite of that intended |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | well .. i can log in to amazon.co.uk |
| 01:45.17 | abrotman | so i guess i could send it to resiak as though i were in .uk |
| 01:45.19 | Guerin | ... unless you figure that they WANTED people to infringe so they could justify more draconian measures |
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| 01:45.28 | asg | abrotman: did it say, 'Welcome Abrotman, me ol codger' ? |
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| 01:45.45 | abrotman | asg: it offered me bass, guinness or harp |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | asg: with an extra option for boddingtons :) |
| 01:45.55 | asg | abrotman: sacre bleu! |
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| 01:46.51 | Guerin | asg: redundant. I wear my titanium motorcycle helmet everywhere, in case they come and try to drill my brain |
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| 01:46.58 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how to run a script every 15 minutes in crontab? |
| 01:47.08 | asg | Guerin: you know they will come from below though, don't you? |
| 01:47.17 | asg | gonzaloaf_work: the manpage is quite helpful |
| 01:47.22 | Guerin | asg: that's why I wear my titanium underpants, too |
| 01:47.31 | asg | Guerin: not that far below :) |
| 01:47.44 | Guerin | asg: so says you! |
| 01:47.50 | asg | touche |
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| 01:49.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:49.49 | Kumbi | hey guys |
| 01:50.08 | asg | I'm pretty sure abrotman is a tranny |
| 01:50.14 | Guerin | Kumbi: yah, m'lord? |
| 01:50.28 | asg | Kumbi: he's only 1/2 guy |
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| 01:51.01 | simonrvn | hermaphrodite? |
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| 01:51.09 | abrotman | abrotmanite ? |
| 01:51.17 | simonrvn | ding |
| 01:51.25 | Guerin | dong |
| 01:51.32 | asg | and the witch is dead |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | asg: are you toto ? |
| 01:52.43 | gonzaloaf_work | asg, I want to be pretty sure: 15 * * * * /root/xxx.sh will run the xxx.sh script every 15 minutes? |
| 01:52.49 | abrotman | can we make simonrvn the cowardly liion ? |
| 01:52.51 | simonrvn | a quote from the jesuit relations, chapter titles, "caribou: half-ass half-deer, good to eat" |
| 01:52.53 | asg | gonzaloaf_work: */15 |
| 01:53.05 | asg | abrotman: toto iv |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: yours will run every hour at 15 after |
| 01:53.18 | damog | now, this is a weird question, but why I'm not getting internal server errors when breaking my CGIs on purpose? (under Apache2) |
| 01:53.30 | abrotman | damog: your porn loves you ? |
| 01:53.35 | asg | damog: what are you getting? |
| 01:54.13 | gonzaloaf_work | asg, abrotman, ok so the correct way is: */15 * * * * /root/xxx.sh thanks very much |
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| 01:54.28 | asg | abrotman: jar-jar binks is *not* a timeless archetype, just for selling happy meals |
| 01:54.45 | abrotman | asg: i'm not sure where'd you classify him .. maybe fucktard ? |
| 01:54.54 | Guerin | simonrvn: at risk of making the qotd again, ass is good eats ... donkey, i mean. |
| 01:55.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 01:55.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: wouldn't the jesuit quote .. be wrong ? |
| 01:55.25 | asg | abrotman: gratuitous salesdrone |
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| 01:56.15 | damog | asg: A blank page |
| 01:56.18 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 01:56.18 | dpkg | methinks qotd34 is < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
| 01:56.27 | simonrvn | abrotman: i stuck in the "caribou:" part, and punctuation is probably a bit wrong, but that's a direct quote. and yes, *totally* wrong (except about the 'good to eat' part ;) |
| 01:56.34 | damog | asg: the error log does display the usual errors, but I'd like to see the internal server error page |
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| 01:56.41 | Aboven | hiya guys |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: well .. yeah .. good eats is a no duh |
| 01:57.08 | abrotman | damog: use a lighter |
| 01:57.25 | asg | abrotman: I wouldn't kick it out of bed, even if she had eaten goat curry |
| 01:57.31 | simonrvn | chmod the script 775 and run it under suexec ;p |
| 01:57.32 | Aboven | i tested a "ldc" Linux dist chooser on the net and its said debian should i use |
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| 01:58.04 | abrotman | asg: as long as the gas isn't coming in your direction! |
| 01:58.09 | en1gma | does debian have mkinitrd |
| 01:58.12 | asg | abrotman: dutch oven baby |
| 01:58.19 | abrotman | Aboven: okay .. so you're looking for |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:58.34 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 01:58.43 | Aboven | you mean looking here?. |
| 01:59.09 | abrotman | asg: the cave monster was a sock puppet! |
| 01:59.11 | simonrvn | ? is already termination punctuation, no need for the period |
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| 01:59.28 | simonrvn | abrotman: and the sock puppet was a fucktard |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | simonrvn: what you say?!?! |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | simonrvn: it was a beast .. like ma3x |
| 01:59.51 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 02:00.07 | simonrvn | i have up and stuck him on ignore |
| 02:00.11 | simonrvn | gave* |
| 02:00.13 | abrotman | Aboven: please ask the whole channel |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: i only have one person on ignore |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | Aboven: really ..ask all of us |
| 02:01.10 | Aboven | "if i got few usb harddrives does debian finding them and doing an little icon to them? then" |
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| 02:01.16 | abrotman | Aboven: depending on your desktop .. it's easy |
| 02:01.17 | asg | abrotman: I'm pretty sure ma3x drives the short bus |
| 02:01.24 | Aboven | ok |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | asg: really? .. i'm not sure they'd let him drive |
| 02:01.38 | Parabola_ | I'm having an issue with a mounted (NTFS) drive, only root can access the folder in /media that i put it in. i've chmod 777'ed the folder |
| 02:01.45 | Parabola_ | and still only root can access it, any ideas? |
| 02:01.52 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 02:01.52 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 02:02.13 | asg | abrotman: they didn't, he tried to installed upgrade the stable driver to sid and inhereted the wheel. |
| 02:02.21 | Aboven | ^^ |
| 02:02.21 | Parabola_ | abrotman.. is that going to fix my issue? |
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| 02:02.27 | Parabola_ | i didnt have a problem mounting it |
| 02:02.31 | abrotman | Parabola_: possibly |
| 02:02.32 | Parabola_ | its the permissions for non root |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | Parabola_: i don't let my linux touch my ntfs |
| 02:02.40 | Parabola_ | does anyone know for usre? |
| 02:02.41 | Parabola_ | sure* |
| 02:02.45 | en1gma | what package contains "mkinitrd" |
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| 02:02.52 | asg | en1gma: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:02.57 | en1gma | i can only find something called mkinitrd.yaird |
| 02:03.03 | Guerin | Parabola_: yes. If you don't specify perms properly at mount, it doesn't work. |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | asg: he probably is the engine of the bus! |
| 02:03.37 | Aboven | i got an asrock motherboard can i use it with deb? |
| 02:03.45 | asg | abrotman: hard to say; I wouldn't want to speculate further lest the dark young return |
| 02:03.55 | en1gma | '/msg dpkg search mkinitrd' no results |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | asg: can we mock him ? |
| 02:04.04 | asg | en1gma: read the rest of the factoid |
| 02:04.09 | abrotman | en1gma: /msg dpkg search .. read the whole hting |
| 02:04.12 | asg | abrotman: I don't care, I can't stop you if you do |
| 02:04.21 | Parabola_ | abrotman: you do realise safe RW on NTFS has been out for some time dont you? |
| 02:04.22 | Aboven | ASRock ALiveSATA2-GLAN |
| 02:04.25 | Parabola_ | just an FYI for you |
| 02:04.28 | en1gma | abrotman well i probably would but dpkg does not msg me |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | asg: there are others who wish to stop me! |
| 02:04.32 | en1gma | it dont find anything |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | !tell en1gma about search |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | done! |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | sign another up for the short bus! |
| 02:05.03 | abrotman | Parabola_: yes .. but that doesn't mean i keep useful stuff on ntfs |
| 02:05.33 | abrotman | Parabola_: my external backup drive is fat32 .. which i now regret since i don't use XP for anything useful |
| 02:05.43 | en1gma | ok still there is no "mkinitrd" |
| 02:05.51 | en1gma | im on packages.debian.org right now |
| 02:05.54 | Parabola_ | and fat is worthless |
| 02:05.55 | asg | abrotman: we could always start #debian-nonma3x |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | Parabola_: agreed |
| 02:05.59 | en1gma | mkinitrd.yaird only |
| 02:06.01 | Parabola_ | my external is ext :) |
| 02:06.03 | asg | en1gma: and the rest of the factoid? |
| 02:06.15 | en1gma | k 1 sec lemme read again |
| 02:06.16 | asg | en1gma: the bit about apt-file? |
| 02:06.18 | Parabola_ | theres a nice app for windows to add the ability to read it in win32 |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | Parabola_: which i should have done . but when the drive/laptop were setup .. i thought i might keep useful stuff on win32 |
| 02:06.28 | Parabola_ | but i have a download drive thats ntfs |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 02:06.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
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| 02:06.37 | Parabola_ | and my dvd burner died a week ago and i iddnt know it, allt he shit i burned is bad |
| 02:06.41 | Parabola_ | so i have to reburn it all |
| 02:06.46 | Parabola_ | and im doing it from my macbook ( this pc ) |
| 02:06.51 | Parabola_ | since its the only working DL dvd burner i have |
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| 02:07.01 | en1gma | asg and you dont think packages.debian.org does that? |
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| 02:07.21 | asg | en1gma: well, apt-file easily found: initrd-tools: usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | asg: so .. anakin is a total douchebag ? |
| 02:08.19 | en1gma | let me try and work that packages.debian.org cause thats prob the one ill use |
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| 02:08.24 | asg | abrotman: so it would seem. |
| 02:08.33 | abrotman | asg: how did lucas make all that money ? .. i could have made a jarjar and an anakin! |
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| 02:08.49 | en1gma | "Search the contents of packages" its there i just didnt scroll down far enough |
| 02:08.49 | asg | abrotman: Jim Jones comes to mind |
| 02:08.51 | en1gma | thanks |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | tom jones? :) |
| 02:09.12 | asg | abrotman: It's really not that unusual you know |
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| 02:09.34 | abrotman | Ronin: history channel! |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | asg: to have your hips proposed to ? |
| 02:09.45 | asg | Ronin: we aren't arguing, we are collectively baggin' on a crap documentary |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | !sing helix |
| 02:09.50 | dpkg | It's not unusual to have your hips proposed to. |
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| 02:09.56 | asg | haha |
| 02:10.00 | Ronin | abrotman: ahh didnt see it |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | i deserve karma! |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.07 | Ronin | !beer abrotman |
| 02:10.08 | asg | !abrotman++ |
| 02:10.14 | Ronin | even better then karma |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | i pulled that totally out of the back of my mind! |
| 02:10.25 | Ronin | or someplace |
| 02:10.26 | asg | abrotman: nice, didn't know about that one |
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| 02:10.42 | asg | abrotman: hard to forget helix though |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | asg: perhaps .. but that's not the point! |
| 02:11.02 | abrotman | and helix is still around on #-devel |
| 02:11.12 | abrotman | just not on any #debian that i've seen |
| 02:11.19 | asg | !seen helix |
| 02:11.19 | dpkg | helix <~e@amnesiac.heapspace.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 1h 10m 43s ago, saying: 'not that we'd be opposed to it, it just hasn't happened'. |
| 02:11.26 | asg | bah |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | that doesn't count! |
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| 02:11.58 | abrotman | -ChanServ- 19 10 helix` 50w 4d 4h 58m 52s |
| 02:11.58 | gravity | She's been pretty busy |
| 02:11.59 | en1gma | there is no utils/initrd-tools for unstable |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | gravity: i'm sure .. |
| 02:12.09 | en1gma | can i use testing anyhow |
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| 02:12.21 | abrotman | gravity: just commenting that we've not seen her in quite some time |
| 02:12.27 | gravity | Yeah |
| 02:12.33 | gravity | She's pretty much just gotten not so busy |
| 02:12.35 | abrotman | maybe she's run off with bob2! |
| 02:12.39 | gravity | I wish |
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| 02:12.48 | abrotman | you do? |
| 02:12.49 | gravity | At least then we'd know where bob2 was |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | oh .. caphuso or cafuego knows |
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| 02:13.03 | abrotman | i can't remember which |
| 02:13.04 | gravity | Really? |
| 02:13.07 | Guerin | ego |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | he got a gf or something |
| 02:13.20 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | Guerin: you're married! |
| 02:13.26 | gravity | I hope that's it. He really just dropped off the net |
| 02:13.28 | Guerin | i thought he was married already |
| 02:13.33 | Guerin | not that that precludes it |
| 02:13.34 | gravity | No, he wasn't |
| 02:13.40 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | gravity: he appears on freenode .. but not as bob2 |
| 02:13.56 | gravity | hrm |
| 02:14.05 | abrotman | he's been seen here and #ubuntu IIRC |
| 02:14.11 | gravity | ok |
| 02:14.19 | abrotman | but not in a while last i knew |
| 02:14.37 | abrotman | if caphuso was the one to see him .. caphuso also hasn't been around in a while |
| 02:14.44 | gravity | yeah |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | over a year says chanserv |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | i think don knows a bit more |
| 02:15.23 | Guerin | well, since cafuego knows him in meatspace, he might be the one to ask |
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| 02:15.25 | abrotman | about bob2 anyways |
| 02:15.34 | path_ | where can I get autoreconf ? |
| 02:15.34 | phil4 | This is not working from the tar --help tar -cf archive.tar foo bar # Create archive.tar from files foo and bar. |
| 02:15.40 | path_ | in which package ? |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | !search |
| 02:15.48 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 02:15.53 | Guerin | path_: it works just fine |
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| 02:16.08 | abrotman | well .. if he's typing that on one line .. maybe not |
| 02:16.11 | Guerin | phil4: it works just fine |
| 02:16.14 | path_ | Guerin I dont have the bin on my / so I need to download the .de3b |
| 02:16.24 | Guerin | path_: misfire |
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| 02:16.44 | path_ | ?! |
| 02:17.03 | phil4 | shell:/home/ptaylor# tar -czd filemerger1.00.tar README fm |
| 02:17.03 | phil4 | tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' option |
| 02:17.03 | phil4 | Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information. |
| 02:17.26 | Guerin | phil4: what part of that error is unclear? |
| 02:18.25 | Ronin | Guerin: the you may not specify part, ;) |
| 02:18.35 | phil4 | tar -cd was in the --help |
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| 02:18.52 | Guerin | phil4: not even ow |
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| 02:19.26 | phil4 | The tar I am using it is. |
| 02:20.02 | phil4 | I got it |
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| 02:20.13 | abrotman | gravity: isn't bob2 still maintainer/co-maintainer on a few packages ? |
| 02:20.30 | gravity | abrotman: Not really |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | he's not listed anywhere anymore ? |
| 02:20.46 | gravity | He might be, but he's not active so it doesn't matter |
| 02:20.53 | gravity | I think baz finally got booted from the archive |
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| 02:21.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | i don't even see him in db.debian.org |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | asg: WTF .. dan rather on star wars ? |
| 02:23.18 | asg | abrotman: lending credibility to some moron's bogus conjecture I presume |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | no research! |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | yay .. sox win! |
| 02:23.43 | Ronin | abrotman: why not, it iflunced a generation even if i cant spell it |
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| 02:24.01 | abrotman | Ronin: you can't spell Gen X ? :) |
| 02:24.16 | asg | abrotman: nah, brownies win ... and I'm off for a glass of milk to go with 'em. |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | and yanks lost! |
| 02:24.27 | abrotman | asg: mrs asg brownies?! |
| 02:25.11 | Ronin | abrotman: im old you know that, my generation actually tries to type the real word |
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| 02:32.14 | bintut | any cherokee users here? :) |
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| 02:33.32 | Gnea | bintut: why? |
| 02:34.45 | bintut | Gnea: i'm having a problem of cherokee virtual hosting.. it seems that it only accepts 2 virtual hosts in my /etc/cherokee/sites-enabled/* |
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| 02:36.50 | Guerin | is cherokee some sort of apache replacement? |
| 02:37.00 | Guerin | if so it's a pretty unfunny joke |
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| 02:38.11 | bintut | Guerin: it's not a replacement.. cherokee is just a lightweight web server |
| 02:38.45 | Gnea | bintut: and they don't know in #cherokee? around here, it's better to just ask your question insteading of asking to ask. :) i've never used it, so i don't know... weird that they don't have a user forum |
| 02:39.16 | bintut | Gnea: there is only one in #cherokee and he's/she's asleep i think |
| 02:39.38 | Gnea | heh, they're offering money to people who will code their shit |
| 02:39.54 | Gnea | cherokee will never make it |
| 02:39.57 | Gnea | total dead project |
| 02:40.09 | purplepenguins | what is cherokee? |
| 02:40.16 | Gnea | purplepenguins: google it |
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| 02:40.44 | purplepenguins | I just did |
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| 02:41.28 | abrotman | !info cherokee etch |
| 02:41.30 | dpkg | cherokee: (extremely fast and flexible web server), section web, is optional. Version: 0.5.5.dfsg-2 (etch), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 712 kB |
| 02:41.41 | trevarthan | hello. I have a packaging question. Is this the right room for that? |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 02:41.49 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | if they're awake |
| 02:41.59 | Gnea | trevarthan: there are no rooms here, only channels. |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | or you can try here |
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| 02:42.40 | trevarthan | ok, I'll try here first. Does apt have an equivalent concept like RPM's src.rpm? |
| 02:43.13 | Gnea | trevarthan: yeah, make sure you have deb-src lines in your sources.list then you can apt-get source <packagename> |
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| 02:43.21 | abrotman | trevarthan: of course .. |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | apt-get source <pkg> |
| 02:44.02 | trevarthan | ok, and are the source debs unique per cpu arch type? Or would I compile an armel src deb the same way I would compile an i686 src deb? |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | source is source |
| 02:44.19 | abrotman | !source |
| 02:44.19 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 02:44.45 | Gnea | trevarthan: source isn't compiled, so it doesn't matter. |
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| 02:45.16 | trevarthan | ok. can anyone tell me where I might find some perl src debs? I need to build perl on an armel system, but I figure someone must have already done the packaging work for me, right? |
| 02:45.20 | abrotman | trevarthan: assuming the source is clean for both architectures .. it would be the same process on both |
| 02:45.47 | Gnea | trevarthan: the process was just explained to you, and therefore that question has been answered. |
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| 02:46.14 | Guerin | trevarthan: if you have debian installed, you have perl installed |
| 02:46.18 | Guerin | nothing much in debian works without it |
| 02:46.22 | trevarthan | Gnea: I don't have a normal debian system, so I can't just apt-get source. |
| 02:46.41 | Gnea | trevarthan: maybe it's time you did |
| 02:46.46 | Guerin | trevarthan: you don't have any kind of system, then |
| 02:46.57 | Guerin | trevarthan: packages.debian.org is the place for you |
| 02:47.04 | Gnea | yes |
| 02:47.22 | trevarthan | I'm coming from the #maemo channel. It's an embedded debian flavor. And they don't know where to find perl either. |
| 02:47.31 | trevarthan | Guerin: thanks. I'll check that out. |
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| 02:48.38 | Guerin | ok, wtf |
| 02:48.49 | Guerin | a debian flavour without perl bears practically no resemblance to debian |
| 02:49.04 | Guerin | it's like trying to make a car without rubber |
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| 02:54.37 | trevarthan | what's a good deb-src line to add to /etc/apt/sources.list if I want to work with this source package: http://packages.debian.org/stable/perl/perl-base |
| 02:54.45 | beoba | polar bears |
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| 02:55.26 | trevarthan | deb-src http://packages.debian.org stable? |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | trevarthan: copy your stable source line you currently have .. and change 'deb' to 'deb-src' .. you want both there |
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| 02:57.06 | trevarthan | I don't have anything for packages.debian.org currently. I'm from maemo. And they don't have that source package, so I'm hoping to borrow debian proper's.... |
| 02:57.17 | abrotman | trevarthan: you should have a source line though |
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| 02:57.29 | abrotman | do any of them point at a debian mirror? |
| 02:57.40 | Coweater | you were referred to packages.debian.org since you can get links to the source tarballs there, do you even have apt (thought it needed perl)? |
| 02:57.41 | trevarthan | no |
| 02:57.56 | trevarthan | I have apt. |
| 02:58.15 | abrotman | if not .. use 'deb-src http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/debian/ etch main' |
| 02:58.19 | abrotman | hrm |
| 02:58.24 | abrotman | if not .. use 'deb-src http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/debian/ etch main' |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | you might want a regular deb line also |
| 03:00.04 | Coweater | if he's not on a real debian system does he really want that? |
| 03:00.16 | abrotman | maemo is a debian-based system .. |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | i'm surprised no one in that channel knew |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | he might do better to contact the mailing list |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | Coweater: maemo is what runs on the nokia internet devices like the 770 |
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| 03:00.58 | trevarthan | I don't need a regular deb line if I just want to build sources, do I? |
| 03:01.07 | trevarthan | I've got a regular maemo deb line.... |
| 03:01.09 | Coweater | yes, i wouldn't expect to be able to mix repositories though |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | trevarthan: trial and error i suppose |
| 03:01.13 | trevarthan | k |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | Coweater: that's where he should be asking the maemo people before screwing up his device |
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| 03:01.56 | trevarthan | abrotman: I've got a backup. :) I'm just attempting to do some development. Please stop treating me like an idiot. |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | trevarthan: i'm not .. |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | trevarthan: i just don't know much about maemo .. just that it's based on debian .. and has gnome-ish packages |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | trevarthan: i don't know what will happen if you add debian sources .. it could screw it up badly |
| 03:03.22 | trevarthan | abrotman: ok. hope it doesn't, but if it does, no big deal. |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | trevarthan: not for me .. not my web browser thingie :) |
| 03:03.42 | trevarthan | it's just a scratchbox anyway |
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| 03:04.08 | abrotman | oh .. it's not really your device ? |
| 03:04.31 | trevarthan | nah. just a dev environment. |
| 03:04.32 | cplx_ | hi guys can someone please assist.. what would be the best way to update proftpd.. im running version 1.2 or something, how can I update it? dl latest package then run update.sh ? |
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| 03:10.06 | cplx_ | ? |
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| 03:12.44 | gpm | is there any reason to get a cloak other than fear of some kind of cracker attack? |
| 03:12.57 | minerale | gpm: privacy |
| 03:13.19 | Coweater | they can show project affiliation |
| 03:13.22 | minerale | cplx_: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 03:13.40 | gpm | Coweater: right. unfortunately i'm not cool enough to be part of a project |
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| 03:14.55 | qiyong | how to specify proxy for aptitude? |
| 03:15.02 | cplx_ | minerale: my apt is broken.. how do i do it manually? |
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| 03:17.21 | minerale | cplx_: very hard, you have to go to the website, find the package, list the dependencies, see which ones are installed, upgrade them if needed, then dpkg -i local.copy.dpgk |
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| 03:20.39 | Caelum | does cron set HOME? |
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| 03:26.07 | gpm | no |
| 03:26.36 | Caelum | hmm, just tried it and it does |
| 03:26.46 | gpm | why are you asking then |
| 03:26.46 | Caelum | maybe not on some systems |
| 03:26.49 | gpm | you've figured it out |
| 03:27.01 | Caelum | just to annoy you... |
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| 03:27.28 | gpm | you mean HOME like where home dirs are? |
| 03:28.06 | Caelum | the user's HOME environment variable, of the user who owns the crontab |
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| 03:31.55 | aldin | anyone in mood to help me set mailserver postfix? i have account on dyndns.org, and have install postfix, put someusername.dyndns.org for MailName |
| 03:32.15 | x3n0 | this is prob trivial for you guys... but how do i remove flash 5 while keeping flash 9 intact? |
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| 03:33.31 | Caelum | x3n0: did you install it via the installer? then it should show up in dpkg -l '*flash*' | grep '^ii' |
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| 03:49.04 | alan` | how do i get smb to allow me to log in through a Windows computer |
| 03:49.24 | x3n0 | Caelum, got the non free showing |
| 03:50.33 | x3n0 | Caelum, but no 5... yet 5 loads every now & then in iceweasel...? |
| 03:50.57 | x3n0 | Caelum, very confused by this :s |
| 03:52.11 | aldin | server1.example.com, what this server1 means ( iam aseting postfix so i been asked for this) |
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| 03:57.06 | handrik | . |
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| 03:57.26 | handrik | where are all the debianers? |
| 03:57.40 | bytekode | hiding from you! |
| 03:57.47 | handrik | :) |
| 03:58.06 | bytekode | mmm singapore, i have a debian server hosted there :< |
| 03:58.12 | Caelum | alan`: add your user through smbpasswd and make a homes entry in smb.conf |
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| 03:58.33 | handrik | bytekode, the url? |
| 03:58.34 | Caelum | x3n0: check about:plugins |
| 03:58.46 | bytekode | handrik: it doesn't host any websites, :P |
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| 03:59.08 | handrik | bytekode, what does it host? |
| 03:59.08 | Caelum | x3n0: if you installed 5 yourself (not through a debian package) check /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
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| 03:59.27 | bytekode | handrik: irc server and various private FTPs |
| 03:59.42 | Sweetandy | Anybody with KDE want to play monopoly with Atlantik? |
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| 04:00.07 | handrik | bytekode, addr of the irc? |
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| 04:00.29 | bytekode | handrik: it's private :P |
| 04:00.41 | bytekode | i like singapore though |
| 04:00.47 | bytekode | servers with unmetered pipe = cheap :o |
| 04:00.51 | tenzind | hi ... i am running debian etch and the iceweasel browser. Some sites i visit need flash player. Do we have a flash player for iceweasel in etch? |
| 04:00.52 | handrik | bytekode, you better. |
| 04:01.35 | thingfish | tenzind: it is quite installable automatically though iceweasel itself. |
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| 04:01.38 | handrik | tenzind, you can download the latest for Linux fr Adobe's site. |
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| 04:01.49 | Coweater | !flash |
| 04:01.49 | dpkg | hmm... flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:01.54 | bytekode | you can also enable 'non-free' in your repos and just install it through apt |
| 04:02.05 | GmLB | Is there any way to get mkfs.hfsplus? I saw there are packages for checking it/mountiing hfs, but not creating one?? |
| 04:02.12 | x3n0 | Caelum, hmmm..... it has flasplayer.xpt + libflashplayer.so .. both links ... any ideas? |
| 04:02.25 | bytekode | oh wait, sorry, it's in contrib, not non-free |
| 04:02.28 | aldin | what ports should i open on router for postfix? |
| 04:02.46 | tenzind | bytekode: whats the package name? |
| 04:02.57 | bytekode | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:03.22 | handrik | i heard many debianers have defected to ubuntu. can anyone here confirm this? |
| 04:04.02 | beoba | considering that ubuntu and debian send patches to each other, i'd argue the usage of 'defect' |
| 04:04.35 | qiyong | is TLS based on sasl? |
| 04:04.50 | beoba | TLS is a revision of SSL |
| 04:04.53 | bytekode | beoba: your nick looks familiar, do you go on gamesurge by chance? |
| 04:04.58 | beoba | yeah |
| 04:04.59 | handrik | beoba, many say ubuntu is becoming less and less ubuntu-like. |
| 04:05.02 | bytekode | you're opped in #linux ? |
| 04:05.05 | GmLB | Is there any package that provides HFS read/write support on debian?? |
| 04:05.07 | beoba | yeah |
| 04:05.11 | bytekode | ahh ok that's where :) |
| 04:05.16 | tenzind | thanks all |
| 04:05.16 | beoba | handrik: what would define ubuntu-like? |
| 04:05.31 | beoba | GmLB: not that i know of, i've looked for that too |
| 04:05.32 | qiyong | beap, or tls or any smtp auth requires sasl? |
| 04:05.42 | beoba | GmLB: it's probably something that is up to the kernel |
| 04:05.46 | qiyong | beoba, ^ |
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| 04:05.55 | beoba | no idea |
| 04:06.08 | voxvirus | bye |
| 04:06.11 | handrik | sorry, i mean to say ubuntu is becoming less and less debian-like. the packages are incompatible. |
| 04:06.14 | GmLB | beoba, thanks |
| 04:06.19 | qiyong | beoba, i didn't see sasl in any mail client. |
| 04:06.36 | beoba | handrik: oh, gotcha |
| 04:06.39 | Coweater | GmLB: hfsutils hfsplus |
| 04:07.11 | handrik | beoba, do you play onlines games with debian? |
| 04:07.17 | GmLB | coweater: I installed them but it doesn't provide mkfs.hfsplus, and I am reading that they only support reading? |
| 04:08.02 | Coweater | i know hfsutils will write and format floppy disks although it was crashing last time i tried to use it, not sure otherwise |
| 04:08.30 | handrik | what is the frequency of debian release now, still every 2 or 3 years? |
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| 04:08.41 | Coweater | handrik: when it's ready |
| 04:08.49 | scx | ~Genki datta |
| 04:09.04 | beoba | handrik: not much lately, have been busy with school |
| 04:09.05 | handrik | Coweater, and when is it ready? |
| 04:09.05 | Coweater | when it's ready, damn it |
| 04:09.17 | waqjan | what's up with the interest in release cycles? It's not like they're making you stick with a package version until the next release |
| 04:09.24 | handrik | Coweater, and when is it ready, damn it? |
| 04:09.30 | thingfish | handrik: when the bug count is low enough to justify releasing it. |
| 04:10.10 | handrik | waqjan, its the frequency of the release that is winning converts over to ubuntu. |
| 04:10.27 | Coweater | nevermind it's easy to install and a number of other things |
| 04:10.48 | Coweater | and there's not a race to be the best distrobution |
| 04:10.55 | waqjan | really? |
| 04:10.56 | scx | like having the latest version of everything? |
| 04:11.08 | scx | {whetere stable or not] |
| 04:11.30 | waqjan | that's what apt-get upgrade is for |
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| 04:11.47 | Rusty1 | different user base really |
| 04:11.53 | scx | 'borrow' advancement from another distros like Debian? |
| 04:12.10 | handrik | many school labs are installing ubuntu. |
| 04:12.14 | scx | or just targeting noobs |
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| 04:12.32 | kpearce | I just upgraded from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 on unstable, and my /dev/dsp is gone. What do I have to do to get sound (specifically esd) working again? |
| 04:13.36 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: load snd_pcm_oss; although, it should have been loaded automatically. |
| 04:13.44 | handrik | kpearce, sound is rather brittle in debian, breaks easily. are you using alsa? |
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| 04:14.34 | dondelelcaro | handrik: excuse me? If you want to malign debian, please go elsewhere. |
| 04:14.44 | kpearce | dondelelcaro, a module called snd_pcm is loaded, but no snd_pcm_oss is not. I'll try that. |
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| 04:15.02 | handrik | dondelelcaro, don't tell you where to go. its none of your business. |
| 04:15.07 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: yeah, udev generally loads it automatically. You're using a Debian kernel, right? [And using udev?] |
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| 04:15.16 | kpearce | dondelelcaro, the command 'insmod snd_pcm_oss' segfaults |
| 04:15.21 | kpearce | Yes, I'm using a debian kernel |
| 04:15.25 | Coweater | handrik: sound support was in the kernel last time i checked, seriously, don't make up funny facts |
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| 04:15.38 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: modprobe snd_pcm_oss; it shouldn't be segfaulting, though. |
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| 04:15.55 | samesame | jeeze u guys are hot under the collar.. |
| 04:16.14 | handrik | Coweater, speaking fr experience. sound breaks easily, kernel support or not. |
| 04:16.20 | kpearce | dondelelcaro: the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa is missing |
| 04:16.50 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: it's not needed |
| 04:17.02 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: and generally it's alsa-base |
| 04:17.10 | handrik | kpearce, u have to know which sound system you want to use. if its alsa, at least make sure that alsa-base is installed. then do alsaconfig. |
| 04:17.26 | dondelelcaro | and no, there's no need to run alsaconfig. |
| 04:18.07 | handrik | dondelelcaro, we shall see if kpearce is well advised. |
| 04:18.25 | kpearce | dondelelcaro: actually it is there but it is a broken symlink. I get a warning when the module is inserted as a result, but the module was inserted successfully. Let me see if it works... |
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| 04:18.56 | kpearce | still no /dev/dsp, esd still won't start. |
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| 04:19.19 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: is there a /dev/dsp0? |
| 04:19.20 | kpearce | 'ls /dev/dsp*' finds nothing |
| 04:19.33 | jetscreamer | die udev die |
| 04:19.49 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: and you're running with udev, right? |
| 04:20.26 | kpearce | umm... how would I find out? I haven't done any funny configuration stuff, but this system is four years old and has just been upgrading with apt, so a few things might be weird. |
| 04:20.48 | kpearce | ah, there is a daemon called udevd running |
| 04:20.57 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: ls -l /dev/.static; if that exists and has a dev inside of it, udev is running |
| 04:20.57 | handrik | kpearce, i told you, sound breaks easily in debian. |
| 04:20.58 | kpearce | so, yes, I guess I am |
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| 04:21.29 | kpearce | dondelelcaro: yes, that file exists |
| 04:21.49 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: heh. it should be a directory, but ok. |
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| 04:22.03 | kpearce | at any rate there is something there |
| 04:22.14 | kpearce | yes, it's a directory |
| 04:22.56 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: check dmesg; to see if snd_pcm_oss; actually loaded; you're also going to want to make sure that your soundcard was detected and the module for it has been loaded too |
| 04:23.08 | samesame | does anybody know if a debian etch book is on the way? |
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| 04:23.34 | dondelelcaro | samesame: no one I know is writing one |
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| 04:23.40 | kpearce | dondelelcaro: well, snd_pcm_oss now shows up in lsmod. I'll see if I can find anything in dmesg about sound... |
| 04:24.04 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: you should also have a snd_(yoursoundcard) module loaded as well; if not, then you'll have to load it |
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| 04:24.53 | dondelelcaro | samesame: there's really not much point in one though; Krafts _The Debian System_ may be being revised for etch, but even as it is now, it's quite useful. |
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| 04:25.12 | dondelelcaro | samesame: beyond that, check out the Debian Reference |
| 04:25.18 | dondelelcaro | !reference |
| 04:25.18 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 04:25.23 | samesame | ok |
| 04:25.35 | kpearce | I don't see anything about sound in dmesg, good or bad... |
| 04:25.54 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: ok; odds are then that it didn't load your sound card, probably because you switched from oss to alsa |
| 04:26.01 | kpearce | there are several different modules beginning with snd_ in my lsmod |
| 04:26.02 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: what type of sound card do you have? |
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| 04:26.41 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: you have alsa-base and alsa-utils; installed, right? does alsamixer; work? |
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| 04:26.51 | kpearce | I have a PCI SoundBlaster card. There's also an onboard card (linux support wasn't available for it at the time I bought the machine), so that may be confusing the system. |
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| 04:27.07 | LinuxHelp | Is it possible to run JFS in a mode similar to "data=ordered" in ext3? |
| 04:27.18 | kpearce | no, I don't have any alsa anything installed |
| 04:27.49 | kpearce | that is, according to dpkg, I have none of the packages beginning with alsa- |
| 04:27.57 | scx | LinuxHelp: almost sure not |
| 04:28.01 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: install both of those; and check alsamixer to make sure that alsa sees your soundcard at least. |
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| 04:28.41 | LinuxHelp | scx, so it's only really ext3 and reiser that can do that then? |
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| 04:29.13 | kpearce | after installing, alsamixer also gives an error due to /dev/dsp not existing |
| 04:29.13 | foo | Hm, in my apache access log, I have this: ::1 - - [21/May/2007:21:33:24 -0700] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 1095 "-" "Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch3 (internal dummy connection)" ... pretty much, a connection from localhost .. but I have no idea why.. hmm. |
| 04:30.05 | kpearce | do I need an alsa-modules package? |
| 04:30.11 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: no |
| 04:30.49 | scx | LinuxHelp: Maybe other FS can too, but: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/perf/tuning_res_journaling.html |
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| 04:31.00 | scx | LinuxHelp: according with that there's no writeback or ordered |
| 04:31.29 | kpearce | well, at present it still isn't working, after installing those two packages. |
| 04:31.58 | scx | LinuxHelp: Maybe JFS2 dunno |
| 04:32.16 | n3kl | are there any stable clustering projects integrated into debian? |
| 04:32.27 | kpearce | there is a module snd_ens1371 running. Would that be my sound card driver, or do I need to insert a sound card driver? Is there a way to autodetect, or do I need to look mine up? |
| 04:32.40 | beoba | that is a sound card driver |
| 04:32.49 | Guerin | kpearce: that would be it |
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| 04:33.28 | kpearce | well, that leaves two questions (1) is it the driver for the right sound card (the PCI SoundBlaster, not the onboard Intel one)? (2) why do I have no /dev/dsp device? |
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| 04:34.16 | samesame | kpearce: maybe u need to recompile the kernel with the audio drivers? |
| 04:34.36 | Guerin | kpearce: it's neither a soundblaster nor an intel; but it may be one of those crappy ones branded as a soundblaster |
| 04:34.37 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: that's the ensoniq 1371, which is the old soundblaster; as far as why you have no /dev/dsp, it's because udev hasn't recreated it for some reason |
| 04:34.47 | Guerin | samesame: please don't give stupid advice |
| 04:35.16 | Guerin | i believe /dev/dsp is an oss thing |
| 04:35.31 | Guerin | kpearce: so modprobe snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss |
| 04:35.35 | kpearce | dondelelcaro: ok, that makes sense. The card is four years old. Is there a way to prompt udev to run its detection stuff or whatever it needs to do? |
| 04:35.38 | dondelelcaro | kpearce: if snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, and snd_seq_oss; are loaded, then you should have /dev/dsp |
| 04:35.53 | thd | how can I prevent an iptables packet message from appearing in dmesg and syslog? |
| 04:36.05 | Guerin | thd: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 04:36.34 | kpearce | snd_seq_oss is not listed in lsmod. I'll try inserting it. |
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| 04:36.56 | kpearce | it inserted without error, but still no /dev/dsp |
| 04:38.08 | Guerin | kpearce: add snd_ens1371, snd-pcm-oss, snd-mixer-oss and snd-seq-oss (one line each) to /etc/modules, then reboot |
| 04:38.12 | Guerin | it should Just Work |
| 04:38.49 | samesame | http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
| 04:39.13 | Guerin | samesame: that's almost three years old |
| 04:39.30 | dondelelcaro | and worse, it was wrong even three years ago |
| 04:39.37 | samesame | ok |
| 04:40.08 | kpearce | do I really have to restart the whole system? What if I just restart udev with the init script? |
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| 04:40.53 | kpearce | (well that idea didn't work) |
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| 04:41.26 | LoneWlf | so... I have a few issues I'm trying to track down... and this may or may not be the right place to do so |
| 04:41.31 | LoneWlf | I'm running test |
| 04:41.44 | bintut | any cherokee users here? how can i fix the "504 Method Not Allowed" error message when enabling virtual host? |
| 04:41.52 | LoneWlf | and since a few upgrades ago... my mozilla has been crashing on flash pages |
| 04:42.06 | LoneWlf | and on another note, Evolution worked for about one moment... and now it doesn't anymore |
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| 04:42.37 | samesame | LoneWlf: what version of flash are u running |
| 04:42.38 | Guerin | kpearce: yeah. Reboot shouldn't technically be necessary, but often is. It also helps if you disable your onboard audio in bios, to avoid conflicts. |
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| 04:42.50 | kpearce | hmm |
| 04:43.14 | kpearce | restarting alsa and alsa-utils (with the init scripts) didn't work either |
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| 04:43.42 | pabs3 | is there a list of packages that were recently accepted from new somewhere? |
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| 04:44.28 | samesame | kpearce: isnt there a debian audio configuration utility u can run |
| 04:44.45 | kpearce | incidentally, when I run alsa-utils restart, I get a message that says "No soundcards found" and shutting the system down fails. Starting the system claims it works, but the next time I run restart, I get the same error... |
| 04:44.45 | Caelum | who invented color ls? |
| 04:46.27 | samesame | kpearce: why dont u try reinstalling the audio components in /archive using dpkg.. |
| 04:46.57 | kpearce | well, I just now installed alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 04:47.32 | kpearce | Guerin may be right, that what I need to do is restart after installing them, but I had restarting to fix problems. Makes me feel like I'm back on Windows again :p |
| 04:48.19 | samesame | kpearce: check your etc/modules to see if the audio drivers are loading |
| 04:49.48 | kpearce | they're not in there - at least not the versions for the new kernel; there's one called es1371, which is presumably the old snd_ens1371 - but they were loaded at boot up (by udev, I guess). |
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| 04:50.29 | ozatomic | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. ....... How do ig et around this why would this happen |
| 04:51.18 | ozatomic | will this course a problem? |
| 04:51.32 | thd | Guerin: all the options I see for klogd are global. This suggests that if I attempted to divert unwanted iptables messages I would be diverting all other messages. How can I divert only iptables messages so that they are not considered kernel messages? |
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| 04:53.44 | kpearce | well, I'm just going to break down and reboot now that I've got alsa installed. Thanks for all the help everyone, and I'll be back if it doesn't work. |
| 04:56.16 | thd | My problem is that I have kernel messages with DST=224.0.0.1 filling my kernel logs every 30 seconds even with a firewall rule to drop such messages. |
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| 04:57.09 | kpearce | I'm back already. All the modules we talked about now get loaded at bootup, but I still have no /dev/dsp, and dmesg provides no explanation. |
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| 04:58.57 | alanhaggai | When I gcc, I am getting weird characters: hello.c: In function âmainâ: |
| 04:59.01 | nestor | hola debian en español? |
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| 04:59.25 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 04:59.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:59.34 | kpearce | ah, /etc/init.d/alsa reload is now giving an intelligent error: it says "unable to grab irq 0" and then "failed with error -16" |
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| 05:00.19 | kpearce | does that mean there is an irq conflict that needs to be fixed in the bios, or does it mean something else? |
| 05:00.57 | Smoked1__ | I am trying to use the net install CD right now but it won't boot. All that I get is a blinking curser in the upper lrft of the screen. Does anyone know what might cause this and how to fix it? |
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| 05:04.20 | yoshio | thd: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/force-iptables-to-log-messages-to-a-different-log-file.html -- first hit when searching for 'iptables sylog logging' |
| 05:05.17 | kenboo | kpearce, I didn't read earlier discussion but is it a PCI sound card? |
| 05:05.32 | kpearce | kenboo: yes, but I also have an onboard one that I don't use |
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| 05:07.09 | alanhaggai | I am getting weird characters: "hello.c: In function âmainâ:" when I gcc. Any help? |
| 05:07.34 | Smoked1__ | Anyone got anything on my issue with the net install cd? |
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| 05:08.09 | Bogus8 | am I missing something... shouldn't any default debian install have lspci? |
| 05:08.17 | kpearce | alanhaggai: sounds like a c problem, not a debian problem. |
| 05:08.32 | rokra | Please I have a problem with apache2 which crashed every sunday morning . It seems to be a prob with the logrotate, no problem already seen? |
| 05:08.38 | yoshio | kpearce: did you do dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base or run /usr/sbin/alsaconf ? |
| 05:08.44 | alanhaggai | kpearce: Thank you. I will ask them. What is their channel? |
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| 05:09.00 | xyz123 | I have a creative soundblastercard an im using emu10k1. My question is why do i need pcm_oss in addition to the emu10k1 driver? and what is the difference between alsa and oss? |
| 05:09.08 | kenboo | kpearce, i'm interested in the output of lspci -vvv |
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| 05:09.16 | kpearce | alanhaggai: I believe there is a #c channel |
| 05:09.23 | Bogus8 | I'm interested in any output of lspci ;) |
| 05:09.26 | alanhaggai | kpearce: Thank you :) |
| 05:09.41 | kpearce | kenboo: which part of it? |
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| 05:10.06 | yoshio | rokra: did you go to bugs.debian.org, and search for bugs on the package logrotate? |
| 05:10.07 | kenboo | kpearce, for the sound card. |
| 05:10.33 | kpearce | well, that's a full page (in the console) with -vvv |
| 05:10.42 | kpearce | err, wait |
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| 05:10.47 | kpearce | no it isn't... |
| 05:11.14 | kpearce | sorry, I didn't see that another device began. It's only a few lines. |
| 05:11.14 | kenboo | kpearce, can you paste it paste bin? |
| 05:11.16 | kenboo | to |
| 05:11.28 | rokra | yoshio: no but I go now :) |
| 05:11.29 | kpearce | to #paste? |
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| 05:12.31 | kpearce | or #bin? |
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| 05:13.20 | Bogus8 | am I missing something... shouldn't any default debian install have lspci? |
| 05:13.24 | kenboo | !dpkg paste |
| 05:13.33 | kpearce | !dpkg paste |
| 05:13.56 | alanhaggai | kpearce: I got it right now. It was because the terminal was not using UTF8 encoding. |
| 05:14.01 | kenboo | heh anyway it's http:/paste.debian.net |
| 05:14.20 | kpearce | kenboo, ok |
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| 05:15.02 | thd | yoshio: I have read that methodology before but it does not really solve the problem perfectly because all other messages with the same log level end up at the same diverted location instead of syslog and does not keep unwanted messages out of dmesg. |
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| 05:15.47 | kpearce | kenboo, done |
| 05:16.07 | kenboo | ensoniq 5880 |
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| 05:16.30 | kpearce | yeah |
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| 05:17.05 | kenboo | hmm there's no Interrupt information. |
| 05:17.40 | thd | yoshio: the trick I am trying to accomplish is to have iptables messages treated as if they are not kernel messages so I can have readable logs. Diverting every kernel message of the same log level is not really a solution. |
| 05:17.52 | yoshio | thd: ah |
| 05:18.00 | Wishful | hello all |
| 05:18.17 | kpearce | kenboo, there is interrupt information for other devices. Perhaps it isn't successfully getting assigned an interrupt? |
| 05:18.21 | kpearce | or something |
| 05:18.38 | indraveni | I have the same field edited in plonecustom.css and also in the portlets.css file |
| 05:18.50 | indraveni | so, which one will be preferred |
| 05:18.51 | indraveni | ? |
| 05:19.37 | Wishful | earlier today i ran "sudo rm -r /var/cache/apt/*" because my /root partition was full, and now apt-get thE: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)"rows " |
| 05:20.01 | kenboo | kpearce, what motherboard is this? |
| 05:20.21 | Wishful | should i create empty "lock" file in a new "archives" directory? |
| 05:20.45 | kpearce | kenboo: umm... it's an intel. It's on a dell opteron workstation, about four years old. |
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| 05:21.20 | kpearce | anything more specific than that would require some digging to find... the details are somewhere in the /proc filesystem, aren't they? |
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| 05:23.50 | kenboo | kpearce, a part of IRQ assigning for PCI cards is board specific. BIOS still needs to setup IRQ rounting table |
| 05:24.06 | kenboo | kpearce, oh yea..try booting with irqpoll option |
| 05:24.16 | kpearce | kenboo, ok. Well, the problem started after upgraded from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 05:24.21 | kenboo | oh ic.. |
| 05:24.55 | kpearce | but that apparently involved switching from oss to alsa (someone on this channel said earlier...) as well |
| 05:25.13 | kpearce | at any rate, it worked yesterday, with kernel 2.4, and I haven't changed anything in the bios. |
| 05:25.47 | kenboo | kpearce, can you boot 2.4 and try lspci? |
| 05:26.34 | kpearce | umm... yeah, I can try that, but I think I'm going to have to try it tomorrow, because it is now 1:25 AM in my timezone. What will I be looking for? |
| 05:26.37 | yoshio | kpearce: when you ran alsaconf, did you see the PCI card listed, or did you see the motherboard sound card or both? |
| 05:26.50 | kpearce | yoshio: I was told I didn't need to run alsaconf |
| 05:27.03 | kpearce | I could try running it |
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| 05:28.02 | yoshio | kpearce: it will show you what it detected, or allow you to manually select a sound card, and it does all the work for you if autodetected |
| 05:28.32 | kpearce | alsaconf detects the correct sound card, but at the end of alsaconf I get the same irq error, and /dev/dsp is still not created. |
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| 05:29.25 | kenboo | iirc /dev/dsp is what OSS emulation layer of alsa creates. |
| 05:30.07 | kenboo | anyway IRQ=0 means PCI config register is not properly setup |
| 05:31.33 | kpearce | as in modules like snd_pcm_oss? I've got those modules inserted. |
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| 05:31.34 | kpearce | kenboo, yeah, that makes sense, but how does one fix it? |
| 05:31.34 | kenboo | hmm i will try irqpoll, and see what stray irq will be detected |
| 05:31.34 | kenboo | i'd try |
| 05:32.27 | kenboo | excuse my english. |
| 05:32.27 | kpearce | irqpoll is a lilo option? |
| 05:32.28 | kenboo | yes you can set it at boot: linux irqpoll |
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| 05:32.28 | kpearce | ok, thanks. I'll try that tomorrow. |
| 05:33.08 | kenboo | my guess is that you can manually configure pci register using setpci command. |
| 05:33.17 | JarJarBinks | from /msg dpkg compiz I get http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz, which tell me how to use compiz and xorg, with the kde and gnome (appearently compiz work with those because it conforms to the ICCCM standard, and can substitute Metacity and KWin), does anybody know if I should expect to get it to work with fluxbox (did not have any luck with beryl and fluxbox [radeon 9700]) |
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| 05:36.15 | AmR|EiSa | hi |
| 05:36.45 | AmR|EiSa | i want know if debian 4 work with Nvidia GF2 ? |
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| 05:37.00 | Coweater | yes |
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| 05:37.20 | samesame | does anybody know when lenny will be released stable? |
| 05:37.21 | Serial | hello |
| 05:37.41 | Coweater | !wwlr |
| 05:37.41 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline <add URL here> |
| 05:37.48 | Bogus8 | I'm having some issues getting an IDE pci card to run properly |
| 05:38.12 | Bogus8 | it's a Silicon Image SIL680 chipset (Koutech PIR133 card) |
| 05:38.33 | Bogus8 | lspci is seeing it as "02:09.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. Unknown device 0600 (rev 02)" |
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| 05:39.47 | scx | !trout slap me |
| 05:40.03 | scx | eh... |
| 05:40.09 | Bogus8 | here is a linuxquestions.org page on it http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3160 |
| 05:40.34 | Bogus8 | newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815104214 |
| 05:40.35 | Bogus8 | manf. http://www.koutech.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=105 |
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| 05:41.57 | Bogus8 | I'm running etchy |
| 05:42.37 | Bogus8 | I installed it as testing a few months ago but I'm under the impression that it's the same as installing stable now (as all the upgrades would make it the same as stable) |
| 05:43.38 | yoshio | kpearce: when you went from 2.4 to 2.6 on unstable, did you do a dist-upgrade also? |
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| 05:44.29 | kenboo | yoshio he's gone to bed |
| 05:44.33 | yoshio | thd: it looks like syslog-ng could do what you want -- http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/5997 |
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| 05:45.22 | yoshio | !trout dpkg |
| 05:45.30 | thd | yoshio: yes except that it would not solve the problem for dmesg |
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| 05:49.21 | simonrvn | !ops [R]uDe-[G]iRL potential spam bot |
| 05:49.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: [R]uDe-[G]iRL potential spam bot |
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| 05:50.09 | Serial | xD |
| 05:51.30 | simonrvn | yeh i'll get yelled at, but i know it's a spam bot |
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| 05:52.33 | rokra | yoshio: ok A bug is opened and have no solution again ;( |
| 05:52.35 | AmR|EiSa | Coweater, it's nVIDIA GeForCE2 Mx200 ? |
| 05:52.44 | rokra | yoshio: sad |
| 05:53.17 | Coweater | AmR|EiSa: statements don't make questions when you put a question mark after them? |
| 05:54.05 | Coweater | i'm in a shitty mood, nevermind me i'm leaving |
| 05:54.29 | AmR|EiSa | Coweater, sorry for that |
| 05:54.43 | AmR|EiSa | but i mean my question not his one |
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| 05:57.29 | _Rubyxx | I have been trying to send mail without success. Could it be because my hostname.domainname is set as localhost.localdomain? |
| 05:57.31 | yoshio | rokra: try searching on bugs for package apache2.2-common |
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| 05:58.05 | serfurj | is it possible to configure firefox/iceweasel in .Xresources? |
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| 05:58.33 | yoshio | rokra: Bug#425248: apache2.2-common: apache2 may be killed by logrotate job |
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| 06:00.06 | rokra | yoshio: ahh thx |
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| 06:00.52 | AmR|EiSa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:01.52 | marc7 | if I'm having consistent problems installing debian from *one* mirror... and I think that mirror might be missing packages or something messed like that... but I'd much prefer seeing that problem fixed as the mirror is ridiculously close (5 hops, 5ms RTA)... suggestions on who I'd contact or what I could do to confirm where the installer is bailing out? |
| 06:02.08 | marc7 | I could probably throw a squid proxy in front and watch the access logs I guess... |
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| 06:06.32 | aubade | What can I do about an unresolved dep on 'nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755' from nvidia-glx in unstable? |
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| 06:08.15 | scx | compile? |
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| 06:08.38 | kingsley | aubade: I suggest reporting the exact error message. |
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| 06:09.32 | Guerin | for great battery justice! |
| 06:09.34 | aubade | The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 which is a virtual package. |
| 06:09.39 | aubade | ^ From aptitude. |
| 06:09.49 | Guerin | my goal is to have a paperless research workflow |
| 06:09.57 | Guerin | except for those pesky books, of course |
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| 06:10.15 | Guerin | aubade: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:10.47 | Guerin | aubade: its unstable. You get to keep all the bits. Especially when you use crappy broken proprietary shite like nvidia |
| 06:11.14 | kingsley | aubade: I seem to recall that a compile may be necessary, but as a practical matter, suggest searching Google's indices for that error message. |
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| 06:13.40 | Guerin | kingsley: did I ever ask you what your `productivity' algorithm was actually for? |
| 06:13.51 | Guerin | make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_imagemake-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcm |
| 06:13.57 | Guerin | argh |
| 06:14.00 | Guerin | sorry |
| 06:14.02 | Guerin | stupid trackpad |
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| 06:14.13 | bitter_ | i/windows |
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| 06:14.33 | bitter_ | sorrry, wow my terminal went nuts there for a minute |
| 06:15.04 | bitter_ | i need some cell phone/pda advice |
| 06:15.20 | bitter_ | is there a channel for that sort of thing? |
| 06:15.27 | waqjan | does debian run on cell phones? |
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| 06:15.42 | bitter_ | i assume it could run on certain ones |
| 06:15.50 | bitter_ | that openmoko thing |
| 06:16.01 | Guerin | waqjan: depends on the phone |
| 06:16.01 | waqjan | bitter_: /msg ChanServ LIST #*phone* |
| 06:16.40 | waqjan | do any phones come with debian pre-installed? |
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| 06:17.26 | bitter_ | i'm not seeing much in that list |
| 06:17.42 | Guerin | waqjan: unlikely. It's not in phone companies' nature to support free software |
| 06:17.51 | bitter_ | my question is pretty basic. should i buy a treo, a blackberry, or what? |
| 06:18.00 | bitter_ | i want to run vim on my phone and stuff |
| 06:18.02 | Guerin | they'd be more likely to just rebrand it and charge a monthly subscription |
| 06:18.12 | waqjan | bitter_: I see 21 channels |
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| 06:18.27 | bitter_ | waqjan: i'll try openphone |
| 06:20.06 | waqjan | what's openphone? |
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| 06:20.38 | Guerin | something you can google |
| 06:20.38 | bitter_ | er #opencellphones |
| 06:20.47 | bitter_ | just an empty channel |
| 06:20.53 | bitter_ | i've looked at reviews |
| 06:20.57 | bitter_ | lots of them |
| 06:21.12 | bitter_ | verizon took over my carrier, and i have to get a new phone |
| 06:22.06 | bitter_ | in other news, i'm having a great time with etch on my powerbook g3 |
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| 06:22.40 | Palish | hello.. I forgot, how do you search apt-get for a specific thing? |
| 06:22.48 | waqjan | apparently mini.iso doesn't have a very good mechanism for resuming downloads |
| 06:22.55 | waqjan | Palish: apt-cache search package |
| 06:23.01 | Palish | that's the one, thanks |
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| 06:34.22 | bitter_ | quiet |
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| 06:39.18 | rch | i'm not ready to dist-upgrade to etch. is it possible to 'pin' dist at sarge? so i can safely apt-get a couple packages ? |
| 06:39.42 | Bogus8 | what is the name of the partition tool used during install? |
| 06:40.16 | Sweetandy | rch, if you changed sources.list to etch and only did apt-get update, that wouldn't dist-upgrade, and you could install only the packages you wanted |
| 06:40.28 | Sweetandy | rch, I'm not sure about new package functionality on an old machine, though. |
| 06:41.26 | rch | Sweetandy: thx - I just want to change mpm's in apache; but big dependency probs... |
| 06:42.02 | rch | was hoping i could change apt sources from 'stable' to 'sarge'... |
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| 06:49.06 | Sweetandy | rch Ahh... you had had stable and when Etch came out it already updated your packagel isting |
| 06:49.07 | Sweetandy | gotcha |
| 06:49.28 | Sweetandy | Sorry no clue 8 / |
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| 06:56.56 | rokra | yoshio: thx Now I understand the problem, I m lauching a software using perl:mason and wich take a long time to start |
| 06:57.10 | rokra | yoshio: problem will be resolved now :) thx |
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| 07:01.28 | kuru | non-debian related question -- what does this do: |
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| 07:01.34 | kuru | */1 * * * * /usr/local/bin/somscript.sh |
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| 07:01.52 | kuru | (crontab) |
| 07:01.57 | RoC_MM | runs that every minute |
| 07:02.00 | kuru | Cause it looks to me like it means it should run every minute |
| 07:02.03 | kuru | okay.. well, it doesn't |
| 07:02.11 | RoC_MM | is that crontab installed? |
| 07:02.13 | kuru | how can I dig deeper? |
| 07:02.25 | JeffH | is there a system crontab? |
| 07:02.26 | kuru | roc_mm, oh sure.. I have a bunch of other jobs running |
| 07:02.41 | kuru | some every 2 minutes even |
| 07:02.43 | kuru | and they run just fine |
| 07:02.44 | RoC_MM | kuru, check to see if it's marked executable. |
| 07:03.00 | kuru | roc_mm, it is |
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| 07:03.12 | RoC_MM | install that crontab again |
| 07:03.14 | kuru | jeffh, naturally, but this is a user cronjob |
| 07:03.20 | RoC_MM | wait a couple minutes. |
| 07:03.20 | kuru | roc_mm, that's never a solution |
| 07:03.22 | markybob | where the hell's my buddy rahul? |
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| 07:03.54 | RoC_MM | kuru, usually it won't work because of a mistake. |
| 07:03.55 | Guerin | markybob: probably slumped over a bar somewhere in NYC |
| 07:04.06 | markybob | Guerin: quite true :) |
| 07:04.17 | Guerin | kuru: how long would you expect somescript to take? |
| 07:04.17 | JeffH | kuru: my question was unrelated to the other crontab question being asked. I typically use the /root crontab for what really should be placed in a more generic 'system' crontab.. |
| 07:04.28 | kuru | guerin, 3-5 seconds |
| 07:04.35 | JeffH | how do you edit the system crontab? |
| 07:04.38 | Guerin | kuru: so there's no race condition? |
| 07:04.44 | kuru | guerin, shouldn't be |
| 07:05.45 | kuru | jeffh, no need to use the root crontab when I can have a user do it |
| 07:06.41 | JeffH | kuru: I'm asking this question for me.. it has nothing to do with your crontab question... |
| 07:06.46 | bpun | JeffH, you edit text files with something called emacs/vim/zed/nano |
| 07:06.57 | overnout | are the user crontabs get deleted at reboot? |
| 07:06.58 | Guerin | i recommend crontab -e |
| 07:07.05 | Guerin | overnout: absolutely not |
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| 07:07.21 | Guerin | that would be very windowsesque |
| 07:07.34 | overnout | hehe |
| 07:07.35 | JeffH | So what you're saying is there isn't a system crontab.. just a crontab for each user of the system? |
| 07:08.03 | Guerin | JeffH: well ... yes and no. There are files in /etc/cron* |
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| 07:10.25 | Bogus8 | looking for some help on software raid setup |
| 07:10.41 | Bogus8 | I have a raid 5 setup on my / now that I set up during the install |
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| 07:11.00 | Bogus8 | I now want to do another raid 5 with some mass storage... but I'm not getting what tools I need to use |
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| 07:11.07 | Bogus8 | I should have the tools already right? |
| 07:11.45 | Bogus8 | I looked at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html and it mentions files (/etc/raidtab) which I don't have |
| 07:11.52 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:12.11 | bpun | dimir, gouin! |
| 07:12.38 | bpun | dimir, but I don't speak german :o |
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| 07:14.39 | Guerin | wtf is the point of having root on raid 5? |
| 07:14.45 | Reilithion | what's orthogonal persistence? |
| 07:15.49 | Guerin | Reilithion: what's orthogonal persistance have to do with debian? |
| 07:15.58 | Reilithion | !start a filesystem war |
| 07:15.59 | dpkg | ffs will eat all your data!! |
| 07:16.18 | Bogus8 | Guerin: failsafe redundancy? |
| 07:16.18 | Reilithion | hehe. Once dpkg said "Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency!" |
| 07:16.41 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I had 3 scsi 4.5gigs laying around with nothing to do with them (brand new) |
| 07:16.49 | Guerin | Bogus8: on root? That's what backups are for. |
| 07:17.05 | Bogus8 | Guerin: as I said, I had nothing better to do with them |
| 07:17.09 | Guerin | fair |
| 07:17.39 | Bogus8 | it was more of an experiement to gain experience with it... guess it sort of failed as I'm here asking for help on my second raid 5 build ;) |
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| 07:18.08 | Reilithion | Bogus8: Nah. the more failures you have, the more experience you gain. |
| 07:18.38 | Bogus8 | Reilithion: this is true... maybe I'd have been better off IF my first try would have failed :) |
| 07:18.55 | Reilithion | That's the spirit! ^_^ |
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| 07:19.30 | Bogus8 | ok, so what are the tools needed to create a software raid 5 on a system that is up and running? (vs installer like I did last time) |
| 07:19.49 | Reilithion | Bogus8: 1. A linux guru. |
| 07:20.06 | Bogus8 | or is there a partition editor (console based) that is like the installer one |
| 07:20.07 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: you just need mdadm |
| 07:20.27 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: ok, I've read about it.. but it was always in conjunction with a few other tools and such |
| 07:20.55 | RoC_MM | Ubuntu text-installer supports RAID-5 on first boot...you can set it up through the installer. |
| 07:21.12 | RoC_MM | or any raid I assume. |
| 07:21.20 | toicontento | Bogus8, no, just create the partitions and user mdadm, nothing more |
| 07:21.22 | Bogus8 | RoC_MM: the net-installer does also but this is an up and running system |
| 07:21.33 | RoC_MM | You just gotta realize your /boot can't be on raid5 |
| 07:21.37 | bpun | Bogus8, maybe you want lvm ? not to sure how that works with raid though.. |
| 07:21.38 | Bogus8 | toicontento: excellent... thans fellas |
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| 07:21.45 | RoC_MM | it has to be just regular partition or raid1. |
| 07:21.50 | Bogus8 | RoC_MM: yeah, /boot is on it's own already |
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| 07:22.12 | RoC_MM | Well good luck |
| 07:22.29 | toicontento | but remember, raid 5 implies that every slice ( partition) is of the same size. |
| 07:22.33 | Bogus8 | bpun: I've set up an LVM before, I'm fairly certain you can use raid 5 with it |
| 07:23.02 | Bogus8 | toicontento: yeah, I'm going to partition them the same |
| 07:23.09 | toicontento | it only make sense when every drive on the raid is identical |
| 07:23.16 | bpun | Bogus8, i never use raid.. i rather just run hddgenerator once a year.. :) |
| 07:23.22 | Bogus8 | speaking of... taking a 250gig and cutting out 160gigs to match the other 3 drives should be fine right? |
| 07:23.51 | Bogus8 | again, this is a situation with more drives/space than I need so might as well :) |
| 07:23.57 | toicontento | Bogus8, it works, but is not optimal |
| 07:24.36 | Bogus8 | toicontento: draw backs? |
| 07:24.54 | toicontento | what are you goin to do with the space not used ? |
| 07:25.31 | toicontento | i hope it will not be part of the same raid |
| 07:25.44 | Bogus8 | toicontento: actually I was thinking I would use it to download my torrents to so I would be more motivated to get it off of there and into their proper catagories and I wouldn't be so sloppy as I am now :) |
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| 07:26.42 | toicontento | that's ok, but to be safe on the future, use lvm |
| 07:26.52 | toicontento | easier to migrate in a future |
| 07:26.58 | toicontento | also |
| 07:27.11 | toicontento | it's a good idea to use lvm in top of the raid |
| 07:27.38 | Bogus8 | toicontento: yeah, I understand that... I just don't see myself growing beyond a 4 disk x 160gig (-one) raid 5 setup |
| 07:27.43 | Bogus8 | for personal storage |
| 07:28.03 | Bogus8 | but I might, what the hell ;) |
| 07:28.05 | toicontento | sure, and 640kb is enough for every one |
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| 07:28.33 | toicontento | as bill gates said some time ago |
| 07:28.49 | Bogus8 | toicontento: oh and obviously that extra space wouldn't go into the same raid as that would render it useless if that drive were to be the one that died ;) |
| 07:29.11 | toicontento | Bogus8, correct |
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| 07:29.32 | Davo_Dinkum | Anyone here use Mezzo DE? |
| 07:29.41 | toicontento | imagine the situatio, a drive with 2 partitions part of the raid, if one fails, both are lost |
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| 07:29.53 | Bogus8 | so with typical raid 5 you can't add disk to the array to grow it? |
| 07:30.28 | toicontento | Bogus8, hmm, not sure, maybe if are of the same size you can do it. |
| 07:30.44 | Bogus8 | but if I have an LVM on it I can add it to the raid 5 or would I just be adding disk to the LVM and losing the raid 5 aspect (been a few years since I played with LVM, fedora core 3) |
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| 07:31.05 | Davo_Dinkum | Does debian have Mezzo as an option? |
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| 07:32.10 | Guerin | Davo_Dinkum: wtf is Mezzo, other than the obvious? |
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| 07:32.13 | Davo_Dinkum | Guerin: It's a desktop environment |
| 07:32.22 | Guerin | Davo_Dinkum: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:32.23 | toicontento | Bogus8, i preffer to build a raid 5, then use lvm on top of it, maybe even creating lvm partitions on that raid5 |
| 07:32.34 | Davo_Dinkum | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzo_%28desktop_environment%29 |
| 07:32.43 | toicontento | not just one big lvm partition |
| 07:33.10 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: you can add more devices to a raid5 from 2.6.17 on |
| 07:33.12 | Bogus8 | toicontento: I'll give it a read up... I'm not remembering enough to make an educated decision right now |
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| 07:33.24 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: no need for LVM? |
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| 07:37.12 | utab | This is related to vi editor but help is appreciated, I am trying to spell check from within vi editor with ":!ispell %" but I am getting an error for shell escape, I cheked that ispell is installed |
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| 07:37.37 | bpun | Bogus8, FC3? Gee, that's quite a while ago.. hey don't bring in that dirty word over here, fedora stinks! |
| 07:37.52 | Bogus8 | bpun: hey, where am I at now ;) |
| 07:38.09 | Bogus8 | got tired of them changing core's more often than I changed my underwear ;) |
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| 07:38.39 | bpun | Bogus8, not only that I was pissed when their script kiddies ripped so much of the console manpages away.. |
| 07:38.50 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: that's correct; you don't need LVM |
| 07:38.59 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: awesome... thanks |
| 07:39.02 | vlt | Hello. What is the best in Debian available tool to place an image (jpeg/png/tiff) at a certain position at a certain size on an empty "page" (A4) and create a pdf file? Should I use LaTeX? Is there an Imagemagick option that a do this? Or simply a gs command? Any idea? |
| 07:39.09 | Serial | dondelelcaro :)~ |
| 07:39.15 | Bogus8 | bpun: see, THAT'S why I'm so ignorant ... it's all fedora's fault ;) |
| 07:39.46 | qiyong | is there any web interface to manipulate virtual users for postfix? |
| 07:39.56 | dondelelcaro | vlt: you can do that using imagemagick or latex; really just depends on what you want to do |
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| 07:40.07 | bpun | Bogus8, they have no system.. they have no documentation policy.. their networking configs is splattered and i guess so is their brains.. :) |
| 07:40.13 | dondelelcaro | (you can also do it using the gimp) |
| 07:40.56 | Bogus8 | bpun: I did like their services on/off util (the name evades me now).. you set the runlevel option and all and it spit it out in a table... it was convienient.. but spoiled me |
| 07:41.44 | vlt | dondelelcaro: Just create an A4 sized pdf page containing a small image at a certain position. Don't think gimp as a pixel based tool can handle this. And I need it from shell only ;-) |
| 07:42.10 | bpun | Bogus8, I tried fc3, and every upgrade breaks up to 6 and requires manual intervention-- which i'm pretty good at.. which I fortunately like to see just how bad it is.. they're *morons*.. however on debian upgrades i've had lesser problems .. :) |
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| 07:43.27 | wangchun | hi all, how can i get a list of X11 driver names available for my system? |
| 07:43.32 | scx | Is there someway I ca see the power usage of my computer? |
| 07:43.35 | Bogus8 | bpun: I'm just glad I got in on etchy right as it was about to go stable... so I feel I'll have a system that will be supported for at least some time to come |
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| 07:43.41 | scx | (Without UPS) |
| 07:44.03 | vlt | dondelelcaro: I can't find the ImageMagick command to create a whole page "around" the `convert`ed jpeg image. What did I miss? |
| 07:44.04 | bintut | anyone here can invite me for a joost account? :) |
| 07:44.08 | wangchun | is there a X11 "null device"? which only for create a null screen, but not display anything on a real monitor? |
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| 07:44.42 | wangchun | i just wanna make a triple monitor X11 conf on a dual monitor system. |
| 07:45.02 | scx | !tell me about dualhead |
| 07:45.14 | scx | mmm |
| 07:45.22 | bpun | Bogus8, well it's good, when ever things go wrong, i have reportbug which works good.. they're reportbug system is broken on stable yuck.. |
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| 07:45.44 | ma3x | I can't launch x |
| 07:45.46 | ma3x | (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727) |
| 07:45.47 | utab | :q |
| 07:45.52 | Bogus8 | scx: does your nick have anything to do with slot cars of the same name? |
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| 07:46.38 | musya | how can you run torrents from terminal? |
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| 07:47.11 | utab | can someone help me with the spelling in vi actually, I am getting a Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US". error with aspell -c eucass_paper1.tex on the command line |
| 07:47.14 | cast | musya: grab btdownload* |
| 07:47.15 | ma3x | help anyone? |
| 07:47.45 | techmago | Does anyone know what happened to xlock in Etch? It simply disappeared. |
| 07:47.49 | utab | I guess sth with my lang files is missing |
| 07:47.52 | Bogus8 | musya: rtorrent is a pretty slick app |
| 07:48.01 | scx | Bogus8: :) Nope (it's an anagramm) |
| 07:48.04 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.14 | cast | techmago: i noticed that too :\ oh..hey thanks bpun |
| 07:48.15 | bpun | techmago, you mean xclock? |
| 07:48.19 | musya | Bogus8: is it terminal? |
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| 07:48.27 | musya | i dont got x on my system |
| 07:48.33 | Bogus8 | scx: just checking... I'm very interested in their track and was curious |
| 07:48.40 | musya | how would i run the the torrent? |
| 07:48.49 | Bogus8 | musya: that is what you asked isn't it ;) |
| 07:48.52 | techmago | bpun: no, xlock screen locker. |
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| 07:48.58 | cast | oh |
| 07:49.05 | cast | no, xlock isn't in etch it seems at all. |
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| 07:49.29 | bpun | techmago, probably it's in it.. see if it's installed -- dpkg -S `which xlock` |
| 07:49.43 | cast | bpun: really, its not. anywhere |
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| 07:49.59 | techmago | I have xbase-clients but no xlock. |
| 07:50.23 | cast | apt-file search xlock|grep bin doesn't return anything, hence its not in there |
| 07:50.30 | ma3x | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 07:50.55 | techmago | Actually it used to be in every default installation of X. |
| 07:50.57 | ma3x | (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM |
| 07:51.55 | musya | any documentation as to how to run a torrent |
| 07:51.57 | musya | ? |
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| 07:52.22 | techmago | So what do you guys use for locking your screen? |
| 07:52.35 | bpun | dunno, maybe xlockmore still is around? |
| 07:52.37 | cast | techmago: xscreensaver will do it..but i liked xlock more |
| 07:52.50 | cydork | bpun: i use xscreensaver |
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| 07:52.58 | cast | techmago: no xlockmore, either |
| 07:53.01 | bpun | cast, xlockmore the package lists for woody, maybe for etch.. |
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| 07:53.20 | Davo_Dinkum | Is videolan.org down? |
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| 07:54.23 | ma3x | hello, can anyone help me? I can't launch X |
| 07:54.35 | bpun | ma3x, startx :) |
| 07:54.56 | cast | xlockmore is in oldstable and testing, but not stable |
| 07:55.18 | ma3x | bpun it doesn't start it |
| 07:55.20 | bpun | cast, so what gets suggested if you try installing it? |
| 07:55.36 | qiyong | is there any web interface to manipulate virtual users for postfix? |
| 07:55.36 | cast | No candidate version found for xlockmore |
| 07:55.37 | dooplex | Hi... qn re: package pinning (I think). I'm tracking stable generally, but want to track one package in unstable. Ideally, I want to keep up to date with unstable's version with a simple apt-get upgrade. What does my preferences file need to look like? |
| 07:55.39 | cast | No candidate version found for xlock |
| 07:55.55 | cast | techmago: seems it has no manpage, maybe thats why its not in stable |
| 07:56.46 | cydork | dooplex: don't mix stable and unstable, either check backports.org for that package or use /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:56.55 | cast | techmago: among other bugs...i figure it got dropped for bug issues |
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| 07:57.21 | aldin_ | how to find out is my ISP blocking port 25 |
| 07:57.46 | techmago | cast: I started xscreensaver but how do I lock the screen after closing this window? |
| 07:57.49 | cast | aldin_: ask them. read their website. |
| 07:57.53 | buscon | aldin_: incoming ? |
| 07:58.10 | dooplex | cydork, package vn is the same in backports (it's boinc-client). Will check with Mr dpkg... |
| 07:58.14 | cast | buscon: alot filter outgoing too, to stop spam |
| 07:58.30 | cast | s/too// |
| 07:58.47 | buscon | cast: so you cannot send mail? :P |
| 07:59.07 | buscon | *mails |
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| 07:59.27 | cast | buscon: bingo. my isp has an option to turn off the filtering, once again ask your isp :P |
| 07:59.32 | aldin_ | cast: buscon is there way to "ping" port 25 to si is it blocked by my ip? |
| 07:59.38 | ma3x | http://pastebin.ca/518271 |
| 07:59.46 | ma3x | can anyone help me with this? I can't launch X |
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| 08:00.12 | buscon | aldin_: incoming or outcoming? |
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| 08:01.08 | techmago | I found an alternative for xlock: xtrlock. |
| 08:01.45 | buscon | aldin_: I mean you wanna send a mail, or you wanna your computer to be a mail server ? |
| 08:01.46 | aldin_ | buscon: both |
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| 08:02.19 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying to install hybrid-ircd with openssl, using this guide: http://paranormal.se/doc/ircd-hybrid/CRYPTLINKS.txt |
| 08:02.24 | buscon | aldin_: for incoming connection, do: telnet your_public_ip 25 |
| 08:02.28 | aldin_ | buscon: i want to set up postfix, and to receive and send mails |
| 08:02.31 | dromer | but I'm stugk at $ USE_OPENSSL=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 08:02.41 | aldin_ | buscon: what about sending is it same? |
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| 08:03.04 | azeem | dromer: stuck how? |
| 08:03.32 | aldin_ | buscon: it works for me can u try it telnet kapetano.dyndns.org 25 |
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| 08:04.41 | buscon | aldin_: no, it doesn't work for me |
| 08:04.59 | dromer | azeem: wel, the line $ USE_OPENSSL=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary gives back cp: cannot create regular file `debian/control.orig': Permission denied but when run as sudo I get: sudo: USE_OPENSSL=1: command not found |
| 08:05.28 | chronographe1 | Hello. I think that vlc is using oss when I want it to use alsa, this causes my sound-system to crash. can anyone help me set vlc to never use oss, and help me restart alsa after it has crashed? |
| 08:05.28 | azeem | dromer: did you extract the source as root? |
| 08:05.35 | azeem | dromer: make sure the files in debian/ belong to your user, not root |
| 08:05.45 | buscon | aldin_: so it can be a provider related problem... |
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| 08:06.18 | dromer | azeem: aah, I guess that's it, I must have accidentally gat the source as root! thnx :) |
| 08:06.25 | dromer | I'll delete the dir and get it as user :) |
| 08:06.39 | aldin_ | buscon: so is it blocked? if it wont work for you? |
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| 08:07.27 | aldin_ | buscon: i should call them (ISP) |
| 08:08.01 | Bogus8 | I have one 163 gig drive of my four 160gig drives being used in my raid 5... it let me do it but should I have partitioned out that extra 3gigs? |
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| 08:08.34 | Bogus8 | it just tossed up a warning that one drive was over 1% bigger than the rest... is that just so I know I'm wasting space as it won't use that extra 3 gigs? |
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| 08:09.08 | zoyd | i'm using reprepro to include a deb .. the repos is already setup .. i get an error about skipping inclusion because that version already exists .. then it goes "Could not find any key matching 'No'!" |
| 08:10.05 | zoyd | find in the basedir finds the package in the pool .. but on the client side apt-cache can't search it. |
| 08:10.10 | chronographe1 | ca I restart my sound system? |
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| 08:12.49 | scx | Is there someway to see the wattage my computer is using? |
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| 08:13.20 | ma3x | (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727) |
| 08:13.23 | ma3x | I can't launch X |
| 08:13.25 | ma3x | any idea what's that error? |
| 08:13.46 | cast | nfi. is there an option to not use aiglx? |
| 08:13.59 | cast | scx: with a watt meter ;) |
| 08:14.00 | ma3x | and when Iboot the computer, kdm launches |
| 08:14.10 | ma3x | then I enter my login info and it returns back to the prompt |
| 08:14.14 | ma3x | so I can't login |
| 08:14.23 | ma3x | it always returns me to the login screen instead of launching kde |
| 08:14.34 | ma3x | and when I type directly startx it doesnt start |
| 08:14.41 | scx | cast: we :) |
| 08:15.10 | cast | scx: the problem with normal multimeters is theres no way to work out the phase difference between current and voltage |
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| 08:16.02 | cast | scx: so measuring I and V won't work. you'll get apparent power rather than real, which is what you power box measures. you don't have this problem if say...its a bar heater, but computers have a power factor that is'nt one. AHH BUT wait are you in the EU? |
| 08:16.49 | scx | not at the moment but I'm in Sudamerica! |
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| 08:17.01 | scx | I can import anything |
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| 08:17.12 | scx | (even weed...) |
| 08:17.15 | cast | scx: well, some psus, normally the ones targetted at the EU market have a power factor of 1, so you can use a normal multimeter to measure their power draw |
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| 08:17.54 | _MrSeb_ | hi, someone know if is possible to force hylafax to start for receiving manually incoming fax? |
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| 08:19.03 | scx | cast: Thanks, I'll look around :) |
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| 08:21.00 | ma3x | why the hell I can't launch X with my username? |
| 08:21.04 | ma3x | with all others it works |
| 08:21.19 | ma3x | it doesnt give any errors! |
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| 08:22.41 | cast | ma3x: well something in ~/.* is screwing with it. work it out via elimination |
| 08:24.11 | ma3x | but what exactly? |
| 08:24.24 | ma3x | I removed so many things |
| 08:25.11 | JosefAssad | ma3x: you don't start removing before finding out what the problem is |
| 08:25.20 | cast | ma3x: well add another user, ma3x, then slowly moving things over and you'll find it. if you move everything and can't replicate the bug, no danger. just delete orignal user and rename the working one |
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| 08:26.21 | ma3x | good idea |
| 08:26.22 | ma3x | thank you |
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| 08:28.06 | ma3x | cast I added a new user, tried to launch X, no luck |
| 08:28.11 | ma3x | cast but with root, it launches! |
| 08:28.35 | ma3x | hmm ... permissions maybe?? |
| 08:28.37 | ma3x | let me see |
| 08:28.50 | ma3x | naa |
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| 08:29.56 | ma3x | damn, this is complicated |
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| 08:32.48 | ma3x | im removing xorg |
| 08:32.53 | ma3x | hopefully that would solve something |
| 08:33.12 | cast | don't forget to move the old config away |
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| 08:33.33 | ma3x | what old config? |
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| 08:33.44 | cast | /etc/X11/ |
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| 08:33.58 | ma3x | what will happen if I let it be there? |
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| 08:34.09 | ma3x | won't it mv to .date |
| 08:34.09 | cast | well see |
| 08:34.20 | cast | the problem with xorg isn't that the binaries are fucked, itll be something wrong with the config |
| 08:34.33 | cast | so removing then reinstalling xorg wont help you if you keep the old config, right? |
| 08:34.59 | lymeca | Is there a way I can see the compile-time options for the Gnash package in unstable? |
| 08:35.24 | cast | lymeca: hmm, might be in the debian/ dir of the source pkg perhaps |
| 08:36.14 | lymeca | The source package? |
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| 08:36.23 | lymeca | So I can't find out with just the binary package installed? |
| 08:36.33 | cast | lymeca: maybe, dunno |
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| 08:37.33 | ma3x | still wont launch |
| 08:37.41 | ma3x | even with a new xorg.conf |
| 08:37.46 | ma3x | I reconfigured the server, nothing |
| 08:37.52 | what_if | is it safe/smart to run the "unattended-updates" script as a cron job on a server ?? |
| 08:38.00 | ma3x | this probably has got to do with permissions or something |
| 08:38.03 | ma3x | what do you think? |
| 08:38.11 | NefariousPrior | Hi, I'm trying to make a partial mirror using the debmirror package and no matter what rsync server I try I get errors with the Release and Release.gpg files. I have logged the output here --> http://pastebin.ca/518332 Would someone mind taking a look for me? |
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| 08:44.41 | NefariousPrior | Do I need to create my own public key to use rsync? |
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| 08:45.02 | fire- | are there any versions of ubuntu debs that I could try to install on my unstable box? I'm currently building from source as it seems saner |
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| 08:45.24 | streuner_ | fire-: /topic |
| 08:45.42 | streuner_ | fire-: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 08:45.55 | streuner_ | fire-: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:45.55 | fire- | streuner_: I use debian |
| 08:45.58 | cast | [^OceanGirL^], Jove[X]18f wtf? |
| 08:46.35 | RA3OR[psy] | postfix question: if i set max attach filesize = 10mb, cand i bypass the setting for special users ? |
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| 08:47.11 | streuner_ | fire-: "This is NOT ubuntu", well, you call for it :-) |
| 08:47.38 | streuner_ | fire-: but check out the last 2 factoids, they are even more relevante for you... |
| 08:47.40 | cafuego | fire-: saner? |
| 08:47.49 | ma3x | streuner_ can you help me out with Xorg please? |
| 08:48.36 | streuner_ | !tell ma3x about ask |
| 08:48.51 | ma3x | streuner_ for some reason Xorg launches only with 'root' |
| 08:49.13 | ma3x | I tried reconfiguring/reintsalling xorg kde .... |
| 08:49.19 | ma3x | nothing worked :( |
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| 08:49.26 | streuner_ | unstable? |
| 08:50.05 | tarzeau | it works perfect here |
| 08:50.10 | streuner | KDE? |
| 08:50.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: did you fiddle with any config files? |
| 08:50.14 | tarzeau | ma3x: or permissions? |
| 08:50.26 | tarzeau | use any unofficial debian packages (like to get beryl or some crap like it to work)? |
| 08:50.30 | ma3x | tarzeau I did restore |
| 08:50.30 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't |
| 08:50.39 | tarzeau | streuner: where the FUCK did i say i use KDE SHIT? |
| 08:50.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: restore what? |
| 08:51.00 | ma3x | tarzeau restored etch from backup |
| 08:51.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: how? |
| 08:51.08 | streuner | tarzeau: you said that indirect |
| 08:51.14 | tarzeau | streuner: no i didn't |
| 08:51.15 | ma3x | I did cp -a files (/bin /sbin /boot /lib ..) |
| 08:51.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: ha ha |
| 08:51.39 | streuner | tarzeau: ma3x said, he want use X and KDE and you answered, it works perfect here |
| 08:51.43 | ma3x | tarzeau what? cp -a is supposed to keep the original permissions, no? |
| 08:51.51 | tarzeau | streuner: no he said he can only startx as root |
| 08:51.57 | tarzeau | streuner: and i said i can startx as any user |
| 08:51.57 | streuner | ok |
| 08:52.03 | tarzeau | streuner: you got it wrong |
| 08:52.07 | streuner | sure |
| 08:52.11 | eltopo | sup? |
| 08:52.20 | tarzeau | officially again for everybody to know. tarzeau doesn't use any kde or gnome software. |
| 08:52.28 | streuner | we know |
| 08:52.29 | ma3x | tarzeau why you said ha ha? |
| 08:52.32 | tarzeau | dpkg tarzeau he doesn't use any kde or gnome software. |
| 08:52.33 | ma3x | did I do something wrong? |
| 08:52.35 | eltopo | you tell me ;) |
| 08:52.37 | nivanson | tarzeau, right ;) you are a gnustepper |
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| 08:53.01 | streuner | tarzeau: dpkg, tarzeau is <reply> bla blah |
| 08:53.03 | cafuego | He says he's a gnustepper. Never actually verified that. |
| 08:53.19 | cafuego | For all we know he's using windows. |
| 08:53.26 | streuner | haha |
| 08:53.27 | tarzeau | cafuego: only to play cs:s |
| 08:53.28 | man_in_ltop | are there any nice gtk/gnome bluetooth applications? |
| 08:53.34 | cafuego | AHA! |
| 08:53.34 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: no |
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| 08:53.41 | man_in_ltop | :( |
| 08:53.43 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: no cp -a looks fine actually |
| 08:53.48 | ma3x | did cp -a fuck up something? |
| 08:53.50 | tarzeau | s,man_in_ltop,ma3x, |
| 08:53.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: no it's fine i think |
| 08:54.07 | man_in_ltop | tarzeau, was that for the first "no" too? |
| 08:54.08 | ma3x | tarzeau why X won't launch then? |
| 08:54.28 | cafuego | ma3x: it probably stripped the suid flag eh |
| 08:54.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: what says ls -la /usr/bin/X ? |
| 08:54.44 | ma3x | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 9384 2007-04-03 14:19 /usr/bin/X |
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| 08:54.53 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: there not any nice gtk/gnome applications |
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| 08:55.00 | man_in_ltop | :| |
| 08:55.04 | ma3x | maybe I said it wrong: X does launch but then returns to the console |
| 08:55.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: looks fine |
| 08:55.09 | man_in_ltop | tarzeau, that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? |
| 08:55.11 | ma3x | it displays a lot of output, but not (EE) |
| 08:55.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: as what user? |
| 08:55.21 | ma3x | tarzeau as any other user than root |
| 08:55.26 | tarzeau | ma3x: what says your .xsession file? |
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| 08:55.35 | ma3x | tarzeau I can paste output of Xorg.0.log if you want |
| 08:55.42 | man_in_ltop | and by "nice", i meant "allows people to connect devices", not "looks funky" |
| 08:55.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: and what says your ~/.xsession-errors file? |
| 08:55.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes put it online |
| 08:56.28 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: i've never used any bluetooth + linux, only infrared (and that in the console) |
| 08:56.52 | ma3x | tarzeau no .Xsession file for user ma3x |
| 08:56.56 | utab | I am trying to spell check in vi, I have used sth before but can not remember that now, I could check spelling from within vi word by word and change the words with the correct ones, and aspell -c file gives Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US". |
| 08:57.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: i said .xsession not .Xsession |
| 08:57.29 | man_in_ltop | tarzeau, it doesn't help though if you just say "no" because you don't like gtk/gnome |
| 08:57.42 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: i said no because i don't know of any such software |
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| 08:57.47 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: not because i don't like it |
| 08:57.56 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: i try software, then know about it, then like it or not |
| 08:58.04 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: the last thing has nothing to do with what i say here |
| 08:58.48 | man_in_ltop | tarzeau, question is then, are you SURE there is no gtk/gnome bluetooth app that does what i want? |
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| 08:59.11 | ma3x | tarzeau I pasted it : http://en.pastebin.ca/518367 |
| 08:59.21 | ma3x | tarzeau I still think you won't discover anything from that |
| 08:59.23 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: maybe bluez-gnome - Bluetooth utilities for GNOME |
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| 08:59.40 | ma3x | I believe it's something to do with permissions |
| 08:59.49 | man_in_ltop | tarzeau, as far as i can tell, it won't let you say "search for a bluetooth device and try to connect to it" |
| 09:00.00 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: mac os x can do that |
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| 09:00.10 | soenke | hey |
| 09:00.11 | man_in_ltop | tarzeau, how does that help me? |
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| 09:00.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: did you also restore /dev ? |
| 09:00.24 | ma3x | tarzeau should i paste xorg.conf too? |
| 09:00.27 | ma3x | tarzeau yes I did! |
| 09:00.35 | streuner | ma3x: does any other wm work? |
| 09:00.38 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: it doesn't :) it just says "NO" again to your question |
| 09:00.45 | ma3x | streuner don't know, don't have any other wm |
| 09:00.45 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: but you don't want to hear that no |
| 09:00.51 | ma3x | streuner but kde works with 'root' |
| 09:00.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: how did you restore /dev? also with cp -a ? |
| 09:00.57 | streuner | ma3x: so install fluxbox and try |
| 09:00.59 | ma3x | tarzeau yes |
| 09:01.03 | ma3x | everything with cp -a |
| 09:01.04 | tarzeau | ma3x: can you show an ls -la /dev ? |
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| 09:01.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'm not sure your /dev is good. got a 2.6 kernel and udev ? |
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| 09:01.18 | scx | cp /dev ? |
| 09:01.28 | man_in_ltop | tarzeau, does not say "no" again to my question. just says there are solutions for os's i can't run on this hardware |
| 09:01.53 | tarzeau | man_in_ltop: well i say no to your question, if you find out otherwise, great tell us |
| 09:02.19 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 09:02.30 | ma3x | tarzeau http://pastebin.ca/518349 |
| 09:02.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: that's not the ls -la of /dev |
| 09:03.10 | ma3x | erm, what did I just paste? |
| 09:03.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: i tried 11:02 < ma3x> tarzeau http://pastebin.ca/518349 |
| 09:04.03 | soenke | I did upgrade my php5 to unstable (5.2.2) via apt-get, then I downgraded it to stable (dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/.../php5-*). But now if I do apt-get upgrade it wants to upgrade to unstable again. How can I "reset" this? |
| 09:04.20 | ma3x | tarzeau I did ls -la /dev > haha.txt and i pasted the haha.txt |
| 09:04.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: where is the haha.txt? why can't you run a httpd (like thttpd) and just put the file up at /var/www ? |
| 09:05.08 | tarzeau | i really hate the google ads on pastebin.ca |
| 09:05.36 | streuner | me too |
| 09:05.42 | streuner | !pastebin |
| 09:05.42 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc', or for a HOWTO, ask me about <pastebin howto> |
| 09:05.52 | scx | arghhh |
| 09:06.01 | scx | those HUGE outputs are nasty |
| 09:06.08 | streuner | yes |
| 09:06.34 | tarzeau | that's why my screen/irssi terminal.app is like 200 characters wide |
| 09:06.35 | scx | !tell dpkg about paste |
| 09:06.42 | scx | Lp |
| 09:07.12 | streuner | dpkg, no, pastebin is <reply> use http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 09:07.12 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 09:07.38 | tarzeau | has someone tried idl-6.3 or mathematica-6.0 on sarge or etch yet? |
| 09:08.49 | cafuego | !someone |
| 09:08.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:09.10 | tarzeau | idl-6.2 segfaults on sarge when i run ivolume inside it |
| 09:09.12 | ma3x | tarzeau http://paste.debian.net/29149 |
| 09:09.14 | ma3x | check that out |
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| 09:09.45 | soenke | did anyone see my apt-get question? |
| 09:10.08 | NefariousPrior | debmirror is pissign me off with all this Release.gpg key not found crap. |
| 09:10.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: what says ls -la /dev/dri/card0 ? |
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| 09:10.33 | ma3x | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2007-05-29 10:23 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 09:10.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 2007-05-29 11:08 dri only root can write to it |
| 09:11.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: not sure if X needs be able to write to it |
| 09:11.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: try chmod 777 /dev/dri then chmod og+w /dev/dri/card0 |
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| 09:11.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: then startx as user again |
| 09:11.38 | streuner | NefariousPrior: did you try the <factoid> in topic yet? |
| 09:11.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: you might want to use www.linuks.mine.nu/perms/perms when doing backups or do proper backups |
| 09:11.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: cp -a are not proper backups |
| 09:12.07 | streuner | NefariousPrior: /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 09:12.41 | ma3x | tarzeau same thing, still won't launch |
| 09:12.54 | NefariousPrior | hmm |
| 09:13.42 | ma3x | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2007-05-29 10:23 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 09:13.57 | ma3x | tarzeau it has write privilleges |
| 09:14.28 | ma3x | I ran out of luck. |
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| 09:14.34 | Dargon | how can i stop skype from controlling my mixer settings when i'm in a call? |
| 09:14.36 | Dargon | anyone? |
| 09:14.37 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 09:14.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't know then, have fun reinstalling |
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| 09:14.48 | ma3x | haha, I LOVE reinstalling |
| 09:14.52 | tarzeau | Dargon: ask skype |
| 09:14.54 | ma3x | it's my hobby |
| 09:15.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: you're also the only one having problems with sid |
| 09:15.31 | NefariousPrior | streuner: followed instructions with no luck, same error. |
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| 09:15.42 | ma3x | tarzeau but if you think about it: when I've been restoring /dev /etc /bin /sbin /lib /usr which one of these could be causing the trouble? |
| 09:15.43 | Dargon | tarzeau, where can i find skype support? i can't find anything on the web? |
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| 09:15.55 | Dargon | even #skype on this network is shut down |
| 09:15.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: /dev or any of the bin or etc if you changed something |
| 09:16.00 | ma3x | tarzeau I believe it's a permission thing but I don't know which directory causes it |
| 09:16.06 | tarzeau | Dargon: certainly not in #debian |
| 09:16.10 | ma3x | tarzeau I changed nothing |
| 09:16.14 | ma3x | tarzeau you sure it's dev? |
| 09:16.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: try strace startx ? |
| 09:16.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: or strace X as user |
| 09:16.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, it's just a guess |
| 09:16.26 | Dargon | tarzeau, then where? any suggestion? |
| 09:17.27 | streuner | NefariousPrior: show us the error in the paste bot online (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 09:18.29 | ma3x | tarzeau : http://paste.debian.net/29150 |
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| 09:19.26 | scx | Dargon: They have theri own support |
| 09:19.36 | scx | Dargon: look in the site |
| 09:19.53 | Dargon | scx, i tried but couldnt find anything regarding this |
| 09:20.05 | Dargon | there isn't much support for the linux end |
| 09:20.26 | NefariousPrior | streuner: --> http://pastebin.ca/518399 |
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| 09:21.29 | lymeca | How can I tell what directory in ~/.mozilla/ Iceweasel is currently using for extensions, themes, configs, etc. |
| 09:22.17 | streuner | NefariousPrior: use http://paste.debian.net/ instead |
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| 09:23.13 | streuner | dpkg, paste |
| 09:23.13 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 09:23.42 | NefariousPrior | streuner: --> http://paste.debian.net/29151 |
| 09:23.49 | ma3x | tarzeau I solved it |
| 09:23.49 | streuner | dpkg, no paste is <reply> Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 09:23.49 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 09:25.15 | Mnabil | hello, i got an error while i was dist-upgrade the system http://pastebin.ca/518407 , any idea ? |
| 09:26.14 | NefariousPrior | Mnabil: I'd try apt-get remove libpth2 |
| 09:26.57 | JosefAssad | Mnabil: good to see you using a decent distro |
| 09:27.49 | Mnabil | JosefAssad: yea, and good to see you |
| 09:27.55 | streuner | NefariousPrior: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 09:28.10 | Mnabil | NefariousPrior: the same error, but i'll try another thing |
| 09:28.44 | NefariousPrior | streuner: Yeah, nothing I've tried fixes that. |
| 09:28.52 | JosefAssad | Mnabil: like NefariousPrior said, but try with --purge |
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| 09:31.04 | NefariousPrior | streuner: When trying keyring.debian.org I get --> gpgkeys: key ADB11277 not found on keyserver |
| 09:31.05 | streuner | NefariousPrior: is that from the factoid? |
| 09:31.05 | NefariousPrior | streuner: from man debmirror |
| 09:31.36 | byon | hi |
| 09:32.44 | lymeca | How can I tell what directory in ~/.mozilla/ Iceweasel is currently using for extensions, themes, configs, etc. |
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| 09:36.43 | Alarm | goodmorning. is there any deb file for vmware ? |
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| 09:37.13 | streuner | Alarm: Debian use open-source |
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| 09:37.39 | Alarm | thats a 'no' then |
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| 09:39.47 | Mnabil | Alarm: vmware is a commercial product, but i think |
| 09:39.58 | NefariousPrior | streuner: Can you make sense of this? --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423187 |
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| 09:40.17 | cafuego | Alarm: No, you need to run the installer from the tarball download. |
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| 09:40.40 | endra | Hey |
| 09:40.41 | Mnabil | Alarm: and it's closed source, it's rapped in a BIN file |
| 09:40.45 | endra | If I want to mount a bin/cue file, how can I do so? |
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| 09:41.00 | cafuego | Mnabil: BIN file? |
| 09:41.11 | Hoxzer | I don't think that is possible in linux |
| 09:41.15 | Hoxzer | convert it to iso |
| 09:41.19 | Hoxzer | and then mount it |
| 09:41.26 | endra | What program is good for converting them? |
| 09:41.28 | cafuego | endra: Convert to iso using bchunk, then mount. |
| 09:41.34 | endra | Fair enough, thanks |
| 09:41.40 | Mnabil | cafuego: yes, a file . BIN |
| 09:41.45 | cafuego | endra: Actually, there *may* be a Linux version of daemon tools, that could do it. |
| 09:41.48 | Alarm | ok. thank you a lot for ur answers |
| 09:42.09 | cafuego | Mnabil: Just a tarball with a bunch of directories and a perl install script. |
| 09:42.17 | toicontento | chmod +x thefile.bin && ./thefile.bin |
| 09:42.33 | endra | The .bin is an image, not a binary |
| 09:42.51 | Mnabil | cafuego: and i said instead of that a bin file , sorry for binary , i didn't mean it |
| 09:42.58 | cafuego | endra: I think toicontento got confused by Mnabil's misconception of vmware. |
| 09:43.11 | endra | huh? |
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| 09:43.14 | cafuego | Mnabil: It's precompiled binary stuff, yeah. |
| 09:43.15 | Mnabil | lol |
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| 09:45.28 | streuner | NefariousPrior: try subkeys.pgp.net |
| 09:45.58 | streuner | NefariousPrior: or install the package debian-archive-keyring |
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| 09:48.51 | endra | Do I have to give some sort of rights to /mnt/iso folders? |
| 09:48.52 | nelf | I have a package in stable (libgimp-perl) marked for install in dselect, but when I go to install it, it silently ignores it (0 packages to install).. theres no conflicts |
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| 09:51.08 | nelf | I've run upgrade, swapped repositories, but still no libgimp-perl :( |
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| 09:52.59 | becks` | hi.. how comes that apt-get always installs outdated software? e.g. icecast 2.3.1 has been released on November 30, 2005 and apt-get still installs some old version. |
| 09:53.27 | spungles | solar flares. |
| 09:54.36 | Hoxzer | becks`: what debian do you use (stable/testing/unstable) and what is the version that you get from apt-get ? |
| 09:55.17 | endra | I keep getting Input/output error on /mnt/iso files.. how come? |
| 09:55.49 | JosefAssad | endra: bad media, methinks |
| 09:55.51 | becks` | Hoxzer i think it's 3.1 (Linux vserver 2.6.8-022stab078.21 #1 Sat Sep 9 00:14:29 MSD 2006 i686 GNU/Linux) and he installs 2.2.0 of icecast2 |
| 09:56.02 | endra | Ah. |
| 09:56.48 | Hoxzer | becks`: upgrade to etch :) |
| 09:56.53 | Hoxzer | becks`: etch is now stable |
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| 09:57.36 | cydork | !info icecast2 etch |
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| 09:57.58 | becks` | well Hoxzer it's a vserver... i can only reinstall debian 3.1 |
| 09:58.14 | gsnedders | if I set, in bash, a variable to be a wildcard set (like {me,you}), how can I pass that variable as an argument to a command, and have the wildcard resolved? |
| 09:58.24 | dpkg | icecast2: (Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-5 (etch), Packaged size: 264 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 09:58.25 | nelf | Why would dselect silently fail to install a package marked for install/how do I find out why it's silently failing to install the package? |
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| 09:58.51 | becks` | can't i somehow just install the newest version? |
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| 09:58.53 | Odinn | hey, i have the xbox controller for pc, are there any linux drivers? >.< |
| 09:59.08 | Odinn | usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 21 |
| 09:59.09 | Odinn | usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 09:59.11 | Odinn | dmesg |
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| 10:00.17 | alt_nick | Has mkinitrd-cd moved to another package in stable? Can only find it in oldstable and unstable. |
| 10:00.17 | petemc | Odinn: theres some info on xbox-scene about using the controllers with linux |
| 10:00.29 | Odinn | can you give me a link? :) |
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| 10:00.43 | Odinn | i want to play ppraces with it ^^ |
| 10:01.07 | petemc | i dont have one, i read it a while back |
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| 10:03.13 | endra | Thank you for the help |
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| 10:04.25 | aldin | how to find out is my ISP blocking port 25 |
| 10:04.39 | xand | aldin: incoming or outgoing? |
| 10:04.46 | aldin | in |
| 10:04.54 | petemc | aldin: you can telnet to ports to see if they're open |
| 10:04.56 | aldin | i cant telnet on my ip |
| 10:05.06 | petemc | and tcptraceroute can test a port on each hop |
| 10:05.18 | aldin | petemc: i can telnet my public IP but thers cant |
| 10:05.31 | petemc | hmm |
| 10:05.32 | petemc | ? |
| 10:05.48 | aldin | petemc: try telnet kapetano.dyndns.org 25 |
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| 10:06.56 | nelf | #debian silently fails to help me figure out why dselect silently fails to install a package marked for install :) |
| 10:08.03 | petemc | aldin: it looks as if its going to time out, i would guess your isp is filtering it |
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| 10:09.40 | aldin | petemc: hmmm perhaps.. but i called them and they say "it is ok, it is working" |
| 10:10.24 | petemc | do you run a firewall? |
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| 10:11.55 | MoDaX | nelf: dselect is a mess. use aptitude instead |
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| 10:13.57 | nelf | MoDaX: Really? I didn't realise dselect was in poor shape. |
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| 10:14.28 | MoDaX | nelf: it was been depreciated long time ago |
| 10:14.41 | goog | isn't their a iplog package for debian ? |
| 10:14.50 | nelf | MoDaX: Blimey, and I thought I was on the ball |
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| 10:17.37 | Knight_Lord | Is there something like iostat for linux? I have a horribly high load and i don;t know why |
| 10:18.40 | nelf | top |
| 10:18.45 | petemc | iostat is in sysstat |
| 10:18.52 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: there's iostat, vmstat and a couple of others |
| 10:19.03 | petemc | looking for prcesses in disk wait might be a start |
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| 10:21.18 | Knight_Lord | petemc: i'm actually pretty sure it's the nfs daemon |
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| 10:28.11 | Dr_plasmab | hi... how do i get debian 4 not to try and format a drive i want to install it on? |
| 10:28.22 | xand | use manual partitioning |
| 10:28.29 | Dr_plasmab | yeah i tried that |
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| 10:28.52 | Dr_plasmab | when i try to set an existing partition to / it always threatens to format it |
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| 10:29.39 | kairu0 | can i set up a caching apt server that fetches packages that havent been downloaded yet automatically? |
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| 10:30.19 | dondelelcaro | kairu0: apt-proxy does this |
| 10:30.22 | tarzeau | ops IAW8699 is kicking people |
| 10:30.26 | tarzeau | !ops |
| 10:30.26 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 10:30.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-11ce69eb8d544fb4] by dondelelcaro |
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| 10:30.31 | tarzeau | !ops IAW8699 is not nice |
| 10:30.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: IAW8699 is not nice |
| 10:31.00 | HardDisk_WP | i am pretty surprised how many people are affected by the DCC send bug :-/ |
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| 10:32.29 | Dr_plasmab | argh ... bring back the old setup |
| 10:32.33 | Dr_plasmab | the new one sucks |
| 10:32.45 | kairu0 | dondelelcaro, thanks! |
| 10:32.48 | petemc | Dr_plasmab: use expert install |
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| 10:33.17 | Dr_plasmab | petemc: k |
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| 10:36.15 | Dr_plasmab | ... jesus... all i want to do is install a kernel and base system on a b0rked disk... why is it this hard |
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| 10:36.42 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: if you don't want to format the disk, why are you installing the base onto it? |
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| 10:37.02 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like it's difficult; you just don't use the installer to do it. Use debootstrap) |
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| 10:37.14 | Dr_plasmab | because it has several large websites on the disk |
| 10:37.39 | Dr_plasmab | and apt seemed to completely bugger the machine when it was upgraded |
| 10:38.06 | Dr_plasmab | i need to get it running again but rescue mode isnt what it used to be... |
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| 10:39.37 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: so fix the apt issue; trying to reinstall over an installed system is a bad idea. |
| 10:40.02 | Dr_plasmab | i would if i could get the machine to boot |
| 10:40.28 | Dr_plasmab | wols_: dpkg deleted my kernel |
| 10:40.31 | dondelelcaro | if you can't get the machine to boot, boot off of the installation media, mount the root filesystem, chroot, and get the bootloader set up properly. |
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| 10:40.56 | jomppa | hey, i can't play any dvds, every player i try whines 'invalid IFO' |
| 10:41.02 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: lemme guess: a sarge machine you wanted to install something in? |
| 10:41.17 | alt_nick | I recall there being an explicit 'Do not format' option under filesystems in the partitioner. |
| 10:41.24 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: even if you don't like debin rescue mode anymore, you can still use any LiveCD |
| 10:41.25 | Dr_plasmab | wols_: no idea... its a production machine that belongs to my customer |
| 10:42.15 | wols_ | jomppa: what DVD did you try? a commercial, silver disk? and: you did install decss? |
| 10:42.34 | jomppa | it's a commercila |
| 10:42.36 | jomppa | *-al |
| 10:42.39 | Dr_plasmab | LiveCD? what i need to do it boot the current disk using a kernel from CD.... which is what the old rescue mode did |
| 10:42.44 | wols_ | so decss is installed? |
| 10:42.49 | jomppa | hmm |
| 10:42.52 | jomppa | where do i get that |
| 10:42.54 | jomppa | which repo |
| 10:42.59 | wols_ | !dmm |
| 10:42.59 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 10:43.07 | jomppa | oh |
| 10:43.09 | wols_ | !decss |
| 10:43.09 | dpkg | from memory, decss is PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html |
| 10:43.14 | scx | !damn |
| 10:43.14 | dpkg | it has been said that damn is goes to beaver mode #1. Dam building time |
| 10:43.20 | scx | :p |
| 10:44.20 | Dr_plasmab | alt_nick: been through the (curses) installer and cant find anything that says do not format |
| 10:44.58 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: do you like doing more work than necessary? |
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| 10:45.27 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: all you have to do is load the curses installer, switch to vt2, mount the disk, chroot and install a kernel. |
| 10:45.32 | Zemus | I just finished putting together this pc. I can't turn it on. HALP! |
| 10:45.43 | wols_ | but then, if it's a customers: more work = mo'money |
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| 10:45.52 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: try #hardware |
| 10:45.56 | Dr_plasmab | don_inlab: what part of it wouldnt work dont you understand... ? |
| 10:46.10 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: uh... of course it will work. |
| 10:46.12 | Zemus | dondelelcaro, good advice, thanks. :) |
| 10:46.19 | wols_ | so your installer can access the disk but you can't when using vt2? interesting |
| 10:46.30 | Dr_plasmab | well i try again just to humor you |
| 10:46.30 | Zemus | Speaking of which, does anyone here play warsow? |
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| 10:46.56 | wols_ | Zemus: is this a debian related game? in what way? |
| 10:47.23 | Zemus | It's really not, it's just an open source game that was released for linux. |
| 10:47.36 | wols_ | so why are you talking about it again? |
| 10:47.40 | Zemus | I was talking to a pretty cool guy in here earlier about it, but I can't remember his nick. He plays a lot. |
| 10:47.44 | Zemus | >.> |
| 10:48.01 | Zemus | Because I like it? This doesn't have to be *strictly* debian related conversation. |
| 10:48.06 | wols_ | !ot |
| 10:48.06 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 10:48.10 | Zemus | Anyway, I suppose I'll shut up now. :P |
| 10:48.33 | wols_ | doh. I guess that channel is out of the questiont oo then |
| 10:48.43 | alt_nick | Dr_plasmab: Not under 'Use as' here http://www.debianadmin.com/images/ubuntulamp/21.png? I might be mistaken, has been a while. |
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| 10:50.27 | wols_ | Zemus: PMing people unasked is another problem you seem to have. please don't do it in the future |
| 10:50.46 | Dr_plasmab | ok... tried that |
| 10:50.50 | wols_ | !tell Zemus about guidelines |
| 10:50.53 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: and? |
| 10:51.01 | Dr_plasmab | didnt work because it cant access the network |
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| 10:51.13 | Dr_plasmab | and i cant get it net access because of our firewall |
| 10:51.41 | wols_ | you can chroot to the harddisk right? |
| 10:51.50 | Dr_plasmab | yup |
| 10:51.57 | Dr_plasmab | mounted it on /target |
| 10:52.03 | Dr_plasmab | chroot'd it |
| 10:52.06 | wols_ | and you have root access to the system right now. and the harddisk can access the network by performing some magic when it boots? |
| 10:52.20 | wols_ | what prevents you from doing this magic right now? |
| 10:52.35 | Dr_plasmab | BOFH.... |
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| 10:53.01 | wols_ | he can't prevent you. the system didn't have network when it was still running normally either |
| 10:53.14 | wols_ | again: what do you do to get network access usually? |
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| 10:54.28 | wols_ | the only thing I can think of is your network card is not supported by the install kernel. which would kinda suck |
| 10:54.34 | Dr_plasmab | wols_: needs a special client (windose) or a firewall rule |
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| 10:55.17 | Dr_plasmab | wols_ if i turn off my windows firewall client i lose net access on the windows machine |
| 10:55.24 | wols_ | so you removed the server from its normal rack and put it in your "lab" where it would need a windows client or whatever? |
| 10:55.52 | wols_ | if yes: put the new kernel on a usb stick, CD, etc and dpkg -i it from there |
| 10:56.00 | Dr_plasmab | honestly didnt think i'd need net access to boot the hard drive from the rescue cd |
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| 10:56.12 | dondelelcaro | you've managed to boot the hard drive. |
| 10:56.26 | dondelelcaro | what you need network access for is getting the new kernel onto the machine (if there isn't one already there) |
| 10:56.30 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: well unless I'm missing a lot of things in your setup, what you say just don't mesh. |
| 10:56.34 | Dr_plasmab | i've not managed to get the system to start up using a kernel from cd |
| 10:56.56 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: if you've booted the machine and mounted it on /target, that's exactly what you've done. |
| 10:56.57 | Dr_plasmab | i've managed to mount the drive and chroot to it from the installer |
| 10:57.02 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: what makes you unable to install a new kernel in your chrooted environment? |
| 10:57.54 | Odinn | ok guys a little help please, i do have the modules and when i try to load them it wont recognize my controller... |
| 10:57.57 | Dr_plasmab | 1. no net access. 2. dpkg has buggered my gcc install so i cant install the kernel in /usr/src |
| 10:58.14 | Odinn | im trying to recompile the kernel now with the new .c .h files for the xpad module |
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| 10:58.21 | Odinn | but i think that wont solve the proble, |
| 10:58.25 | Odinn | problem* |
| 10:58.26 | Dr_plasmab | although im trying to fix gcc atm |
| 10:58.44 | wols_ | you have a CD drive and possibly usb ports. those can be used to bring in a new kernel |
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| 10:59.10 | wols_ | without any compile needed |
| 10:59.17 | Odinn | wols_, you were talking to me? |
| 10:59.22 | wols_ | Odinn: no |
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| 11:01.18 | Odinn | any words of wisdom for me? :) |
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| 11:03.18 | dooplex | Hi... Can aptitude be used to install a .deb that I've just compiled? Or must I use "dpkg -i"? |
| 11:03.35 | wols_ | the line you pasted earlier happens when you plug in the controller? the one from dmesg? |
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| 11:03.51 | Dr_plasmab | wols_: yes but i have no environment variables set and init wont work |
| 11:04.07 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: you don't need to buld the kernel, you just need to install a prebuilt one. |
| 11:04.09 | wols_ | dooplex: if you create a debian repository you can use aptitude. but dpkg -i is faster and you don't lose anything by doing it |
| 11:04.17 | wols_ | aptitude has no advantage I can see |
| 11:04.33 | wols_ | !tell Dr_plasmab about doesn't work |
| 11:04.52 | cafuego | wols_: logging of depends, so they can be removed? |
| 11:05.24 | wols_ | cafuego: true |
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| 11:05.49 | Dr_plasmab | wools |
| 11:06.28 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: imho: fix your apt. upgrade to proper etch (now that you can boot it: what debian vresion is it/was it) |
| 11:06.34 | Dr_plasmab | wols_ it says "timeout writing control channel /dev/initctl" |
| 11:06.36 | wols_ | clenaest way and preserves the most for your client |
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| 11:06.50 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: what does? |
| 11:06.56 | Dr_plasmab | init X |
| 11:07.07 | Dr_plasmab | on the chrooted system |
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| 11:07.12 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: why are you running init there? |
| 11:07.22 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: masochism |
| 11:07.26 | Dr_plasmab | i give up |
| 11:07.28 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: you are are a strange guy |
| 11:07.41 | dooplex | wols_, cafuego... all the dependencies would have been sorted out prior to installing the built .deb... So I suppose aptitude would have no dependencies to track..? |
| 11:07.44 | Dr_plasmab | i am? i want to start the damn system and get my environment set up |
| 11:07.51 | Dr_plasmab | thats all i want to do ? |
| 11:07.57 | Dr_plasmab | why you make it so hard? |
| 11:08.10 | Dr_plasmab | once its up and going i can fix it |
| 11:08.13 | dondelelcaro | Dr_plasmab: so install a kernel, configure your boot loader, then boot the actual system. |
| 11:08.20 | nivanson | Dr_plasmab, either way you can install with dpkg -i and fix dependencies after using aptitude if you end up in that throuble |
| 11:08.20 | benjamin | i tried removing the package cacti, but the process stopped with an error, now i cant remove/purge/reinstall that package neither can i do an upgrade, or update any other package |
| 11:08.27 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: cause you do it the wrong way and blunty don't have the expertise to do it. if you really do this for a living, you need more training |
| 11:08.28 | benjamin | i tried -f but it didnt help |
| 11:08.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell benjamin -about bat |
| 11:08.41 | dondelelcaro | benjamin: follow those instructions to give us the output |
| 11:08.43 | aldin | buscon: private |
| 11:09.01 | dromer | hi all, I just installed ircd-hybrid with openssl, but now I want to install hybserv so I have all the services, but when I apt-get it wants to install ircd-hybrid again (I had to install from source to enable openssl) |
| 11:09.06 | Dr_plasmab | wols_ i dont! generally... but i've never had issues with debian before this release... |
| 11:09.19 | dromer | so how can I install hybserv without re-installing ircd-hybrid? |
| 11:09.31 | omri | is there a .deb package for glade-3 ? |
| 11:09.45 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: personally I think you have a lack of understanding how debian or linux itself actually works. which means imho you're not qualified for this |
| 11:10.07 | Odinn | anyone? -.- |
| 11:10.13 | Dr_plasmab | wols_: im a developer... not a low life sysadmin |
| 11:10.25 | liable | oh dear |
| 11:10.27 | Dr_plasmab | i dont care how it works... as long as it does |
| 11:10.30 | cydork | dromer: you have installed ircd-hybrid? |
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| 11:10.34 | wols_ | Dr_plasmab: as dondelelcaro said, get it to boot by installing stuff by hook or by crook and ideally get dpkg -i running agian. you've been here about half an hour or so, you still haven#t given us a proper error description to work with |
| 11:10.47 | RA3OR | hmm, is it 'safe' to put a mrtg on a debian sarge with apt-get update done ? but not upgraded |
| 11:10.56 | wols_ | we are not psychic and only know what you tell us about that machine. if you want us to help effectively we need the full picture |
| 11:11.08 | dondelelcaro | dromer: if you installed ircd-hybrid from source, you want to use equivs to create an equivs package so that hybserv doesn't install it |
| 11:11.22 | wols_ | oh. a low life sysadmin. now I'm hurt |
| 11:11.42 | dromer | cydork: yes |
| 11:11.47 | dromer | dondelelcaro: hmm, how do I do that? |
| 11:11.58 | dondelelcaro | !equivs |
| 11:11.58 | dpkg | hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 11:12.28 | dromer | thnx |
| 11:12.28 | dooplex | wols_, never mind... he's gone. |
| 11:12.37 | dondelelcaro | dromer: your equivs package needs to called ircd-hybrid, and needs a version number of at least 7.2.2 |
| 11:12.44 | wols_ | dromer: what did you have to do to include openssl support? was a ./configure option enough? if so I'd try to build a .deb from the debian sources |
| 11:12.49 | benjamin | http://paste.debian.net/29157 |
| 11:12.53 | wols_ | dooplex: saw it too late |
| 11:13.02 | cydork | i thought he did build a .deb |
| 11:13.20 | cydork | well he was asking about it earlier today.. |
| 11:13.21 | dooplex | kewl.... thx 4 yr help |
| 11:13.24 | wols_ | cydork: if he did, why would apt want to reinstall the debian .deb? |
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| 11:13.58 | cydork | wols_: that's what i was thinking :) |
| 11:14.00 | dondelelcaro | benjamin: aptitude reinstall dbconfig-commmon; then try removing it. |
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| 11:15.22 | benjamin | kk thx, ill try |
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| 11:15.57 | benjamin | dondelelcaro: reinstalling dbconfig-common requires removing cacti, so i cant reinstall either |
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| 11:16.39 | cydork | where? where? |
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| 11:17.12 | wols_ | in the channel that must not be named :) |
| 11:17.17 | wols_ | even when it's in the topic |
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| 11:17.55 | cydork | wols_: heh |
| 11:18.01 | liable | ubuntu? |
| 11:18.03 | dromer | wols_: using this: http://paranormal.se/doc/ircd-hybrid/CRYPTLINKS.txt |
| 11:18.20 | liable | whats so exciting about seeing kbrooks? |
| 11:18.56 | cydork | dromer: if you have build a .dev which version does it have? apt should not complain if the version is right |
| 11:19.13 | benjamin | dondelelcaro: okay i got it, installing all php4-* packages, removing dbconfig, removing cacti, reinstalling dbconfig worked |
| 11:19.13 | wols_ | liable: it's always good to know where certain people are. So you know they won't visit you out of the blue |
| 11:19.26 | cydork | !qotd71 |
| 11:19.26 | dpkg | well, qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 11:19.39 | dromer | cydork: that's what puzzles me, it's the source of the apt-version I recon |
| 11:19.51 | liable | wols_: oh, i see. |
| 11:19.54 | dromer | cydork: 7.2.2 |
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| 11:20.46 | cydork | dromer: apt-cache policy ircd-hybrid |
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| 11:21.32 | dromer | Candidate: 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-3 |
| 11:21.48 | wols_ | dromer: dpkg -l ircd-hybrid* |
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| 11:21.55 | cydork | !qotd128 |
| 11:21.55 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
| 11:22.07 | wols_ | when it'S installed. that .ssl1 thing might throw apt off |
| 11:22.38 | dromer | wols_: does dpkg -l say if and what's installed? |
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| 11:23.03 | dromer | wols_: because it says: ircd-hybrid 7.0.3-2 |
| 11:23.10 | tarzeau | dromer: and what code? |
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| 11:23.18 | tarzeau | dromer: not all dpkg -l lists is installed |
| 11:23.23 | tarzeau | dromer: it says a code that you left away |
| 11:23.29 | dromer | but than shouldn't be since I used: ircd-hybrid-7.2.2.dfsg.2/ |
| 11:23.37 | dromer | tarzeau: hmm, ok |
| 11:25.36 | cydork | dromer: 7.0.3-2??? |
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| 11:26.14 | dromer | cydork: that's what dpkg -l says, I don't understand it either o.O |
| 11:26.26 | cydork | dromer: the line starts with ii? |
| 11:26.56 | dromer | cydork: sorry, ic |
| 11:27.03 | dromer | ic ircd-hybrid 7.0.3-2 high-performance secure IRC server |
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| 11:28.53 | dondelelcaro | dromer: you've asked for irc-hybrid to be installed, but it's only got it's configuration files there. |
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| 11:30.09 | dromer | hmm, now I'm confused :/ |
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| 11:33.14 | dromer | so I still need to install ircd-hybrid? |
| 11:33.49 | dondelelcaro | dromer: you've asked for some version of it to be installed at some point in time |
| 11:33.50 | cydork | dromer: did you install the created .deb? |
| 11:34.31 | dromer | cydork: yes, with dpkg -i |
| 11:34.55 | dromer | that is: ircd-hybrid_7.2.2.dfsg.2-3.ssl1_i386.deb |
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| 11:37.37 | dromer | ok my eyes must me crooked :S |
| 11:37.46 | dromer | apperantly there are two .deb's |
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| 11:38.02 | dromer | theres also hybrid-dev_7.2.2.dfsg.2-3.ssl1_all.deb .. and I installed that .. |
| 11:38.04 | cydork | dromer: and?? |
| 11:38.08 | dromer | n00b here :S |
| 11:39.07 | Odinn | hello, im having a problem with my xpad driver, can any one help me? |
| 11:39.28 | dromer | cydork: ok, now apt won't install ircd anymore :) |
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| 11:39.56 | cydork | dromer: what error? |
| 11:40.17 | dromer | cydork: no more error or w/e I installed the right .deb this time :S |
| 11:40.18 | Maerz | how can i connect to my (64bit)xserver from inside a (32bit) chroot? |
| 11:40.30 | Maerz | -> opera: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 11:40.35 | dromer | cydork: so now I could istall hybserv properly :) |
| 11:40.48 | cydork | dromer: :) |
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| 11:41.51 | dromer | cydork: now to get the ircd and services running ;) |
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| 11:42.08 | dromer | cydork: first problem is I also have bitlebee running on the same port :P |
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| 11:44.09 | Arafangion | How do I change/modify my keyboard map? (I want to swap caps with control, and perhaps play with different layouts.) |
| 11:44.23 | cydork | !keymap |
| 11:44.23 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 11:44.41 | Arafangion | I would /love/ a nice website that gives me everyth--- Even better, thanks cydork :) |
| 11:44.49 | tarzeau | dpkg in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 11:44.57 | tarzeau | dpkg keymap is also in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 11:44.57 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
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| 11:45.08 | Odinn | !dpkg |
| 11:45.08 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 11:45.11 | Odinn | >< |
| 11:45.19 | Odinn | i always forget how to call it to pvt |
| 11:45.21 | tarzeau | dpkg -l Odinn |
| 11:45.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching Odinn |
| 11:45.32 | asg | Odinn: /msg it |
| 11:45.32 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I was looking for loadkeys, but I couldn't determine how it worked, except for the not-so-easy to understand compressed kmap.gz file in /etc/console |
| 11:45.49 | tarzeau | Arafangion: just say loadkeys us, or sg-latin1 or whatever |
| 11:45.54 | tarzeau | Arafangion: just like setxkbmap |
| 11:46.06 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Does it really ahve to be by root? |
| 11:46.07 | Odinn | anyone: can you help me with the xpad driver? |
| 11:46.12 | tarzeau | Arafangion: of course not |
| 11:46.12 | Odinn | i really want to install it now |
| 11:46.13 | Odinn | >< |
| 11:46.33 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Good (It seems more like a user setting, imho). It doesn't work - complains about a non-existant file descriptor. |
| 11:46.48 | tarzeau | Arafangion: loadkeys? in x or console? |
| 11:47.15 | tarzeau | it's possible for console it won't work for non-root, but it sure can be made available to users to work anyways |
| 11:47.17 | Arafangion | tarzeau: "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
| 11:47.23 | tarzeau | it's just not funny to get rm when someone types ls |
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| 11:47.46 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I admit, I'm also running screen, which /could/ confuse it a bit, but I really want to learn how this works at a fundamental level. |
| 11:48.01 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you're not root on the machine? |
| 11:48.12 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I am root, just don't see why I should /have/ to be root! :) |
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| 11:48.28 | tarzeau | Arafangion: in x setxkbmap can be run by anyone for their own session |
| 11:48.40 | tarzeau | Arafangion: well it changes the keymapping in the kernel |
| 11:48.47 | tarzeau | Arafangion: you don't want users to fiddle with your kernel |
| 11:48.59 | tarzeau | Arafangion: it's just like you don't allow users to mount or umount devices |
| 11:49.09 | tarzeau | Arafangion: get the stuff out the kernel and then all is fine |
| 11:49.14 | Arafangion | tarzeau: That's extremely low-level! I thought/assumed that there'd be another layer of indirection there. |
| 11:49.18 | tarzeau | Arafangion: but linux just doesn't work like it |
| 11:49.23 | tarzeau | Arafangion: no linux is not a microkernel |
| 11:49.28 | tarzeau | Arafangion: it's a monster kernel |
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| 11:50.46 | Arafangion | tarzeau: So how is a dvorak user supposed to coexist with a qwerty user and a qwertz user!? (Hypothetical question, on the console) |
| 11:50.56 | Arafangion | tarzeau: Via sudo? :/ |
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| 11:51.01 | tarzeau | Arafangion: for example |
| 11:51.09 | whazilla | load keys latin.be |
| 11:51.10 | tarzeau | Arafangion: or via having x |
| 11:51.22 | Arafangion | tarzeau: I think I'll take the X11 route. :) |
| 11:51.23 | tarzeau | whazilla: zsh: command not found: load |
| 11:51.35 | whazilla | lol |
| 11:51.40 | whazilla | works here |
| 11:51.43 | whazilla | its loadkeys |
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| 11:52.04 | Arafangion | whazilla: Yeah, here to, as root. |
| 11:52.04 | tarzeau | whazilla: as user? |
| 11:52.10 | Arafangion | whazilla: But not as a user. |
| 11:52.10 | whazilla | :) |
| 11:52.20 | whazilla | i dunno im mostly root |
| 11:52.23 | whazilla | i hate users ! |
| 11:52.39 | sleon | hi |
| 11:52.54 | sleon | what would you suggest me as a comfortable snmp-mibs browser ? |
| 11:53.00 | Knight_Lord | Arafangion: you can also give the user write access to /dev/console |
| 11:53.01 | sleon | for linux |
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| 11:53.28 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
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| 11:53.58 | Knight_Lord | Arafangion: to allow them to run loadkeys. Another option is to suid loadkeys, but that's a bit more dangerous |
| 11:54.05 | Arafangion | What are some really good "optimized" keymaps for programmers? (Dvorak is awkward at times for programming, imho) |
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| 11:54.17 | Arafangion | Knight_Lord: Yeah, I prefer sudo to suid. |
| 11:54.23 | Arafangion | Knight_Lord: More explicit. |
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| 11:54.36 | Arafangion | Knight_Lord: Quite possibly even sudo /another/ script to further limit it. |
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| 11:54.46 | Knight_Lord | Arafangion: As long as there are no bugs there's nothing wrong with suid |
| 11:55.17 | Knight_Lord | Arafangion: sudo is not really a substitute for suid |
| 11:55.22 | Arafangion | Knight_Lord: sudo has an advantage that it's all rather explicit in sudoers :) |
| 11:55.31 | soenke | as long there is no bugs at all you can run everything as root ... |
| 11:55.38 | Arafangion | Knight_Lord: And it rather limits /who/ can call it. |
| 11:55.39 | soenke | ;-) |
| 11:55.47 | Knight_Lord | soenke: I wouldn't like to have people run "rm" as root |
| 11:56.00 | Knight_Lord | soenke: to point one example |
| 11:56.02 | soenke | Knight_Lord: find the irony of my comment *g |
| 11:56.09 | whazilla | how do i remove a user ? |
| 11:56.25 | Knight_Lord | soenke: but there are some programs that basically have no bugs and do need to be run suid |
| 11:56.26 | tarzeau | whazilla: from the system? from the memory? from where? |
| 11:56.31 | tarzeau | whazilla: from the filesystem? |
| 11:56.33 | whazilla | from sys |
| 11:56.49 | tarzeau | whazilla: check userdel and deluser, and /var/tmp |
| 11:56.54 | whazilla | cpuser blabla /dev/null ? |
| 11:56.56 | tarzeau | whazilla: /tmp and the users homedirectory |
| 11:57.03 | tarzeau | whazilla: don't forget ps -ef |grep user |
| 11:57.06 | Knight_Lord | Arafangion: but for example you can't really replace suid passwd for sudo |
| 11:57.08 | tarzeau | whazilla: no |
| 11:57.11 | whazilla | lol |
| 11:57.19 | Arafangion | Knight_Lord: No, that'd be a bit useless :) |
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| 11:59.11 | Arafangion | What keymaps do you guys like? (Excluding qwert*) |
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| 11:59.45 | Knight_Lord | nothing :) |
| 11:59.57 | Arafangion | I'm considering trying the Colemak layout. |
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| 12:00.28 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 12:00.40 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 12:05.48 | miller[] | I modified /etc/network/interfaces so how do I get it to apply the changes without rebooting? |
| 12:06.04 | dondelelcaro | miller[]: ifdown iface; ifup iface; |
| 12:06.10 | dondelelcaro | miller[]: where iface is the interface that you modified |
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| 12:06.54 | Arafangion | Wow, it's surprisingly easy to use colemak - thanks Guys! :) |
| 12:06.56 | miller[] | iface eth0 inet static - so should I specify all three at once? |
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| 12:07.26 | benuski | where does epiphany store its cookies? |
| 12:07.50 | liable | miller[]: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 12:08.02 | liable | miller[]: or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:08.09 | miller[] | thanks |
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| 12:09.00 | wiedenmann | is /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p oss or alsa? How can I detect oss, to detect alsa I cat /proc/alsa/cards, how about oss? |
| 12:09.07 | miller[] | yikes.. glad I waited |
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| 12:09.14 | jelly-home | wiedenmann: /dev/snd is alsa |
| 12:09.22 | miller[] | but it doesn't seem to have worked |
| 12:09.38 | wiedenmann | jelly-home: but why is there no /proc/alsa? |
| 12:09.57 | jelly-home | wiedenmann: because the api is different? |
| 12:10.19 | wiedenmann | jelly-home: I dont understand, I though alsa always creates /proc/alsa |
| 12:12.03 | jelly-home | wiedenmann: TBH I've neven seen such anb entry in /proc |
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| 12:12.17 | liable | init /dev/pcm* ? |
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| 12:12.26 | jelly-home | wiedenmann: there's /proc/asound/* |
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| 12:13.13 | Arafangion | jelly-home: You should use screen, and run those programs on the same line, if you have to at all. |
| 12:13.17 | wiedenmann | jelly-home: oh my god, I am stupid, that sure explains why I couldnt find alsa ... |
| 12:13.36 | arcil | hi is there a way to use the Xbox 360 Wireless Controller ( http://amazon.com/dp/B000KA5T6A/ ) with debian? |
| 12:13.46 | jelly-home | Arafangion: bad tabbing I suppose |
| 12:13.54 | wiedenmann | arcil: you run debian on your XBox? |
| 12:14.02 | litage_ | how do you use m-a to build a module for a kernel other than what you've booted? |
| 12:14.10 | abrotman | wiedenmann: it's a bluetooth device |
| 12:14.10 | arcil | wiedenmann: nope on a pc |
| 12:14.18 | abrotman | i think |
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| 12:14.37 | Arafangion | jelly-home: No. I was talking to you! :) |
| 12:14.37 | abrotman | arcil: i'm sure google would help you out |
| 12:14.43 | asg | litage_: look for the --kernel* options in the manpage |
| 12:14.43 | jelly-home | litage_: um, isn't the option to choose the kernel or the kernel directory in the manual? |
| 12:14.48 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Unless someone else here is also called "jelly-home"? ;) |
| 12:15.17 | Arafangion | jelly-home: (You mentioned cutting your access via calling those programs, presumeably separately, then going "Oh Doh! Can't run if-up anymore!") |
| 12:15.34 | jelly-home | Arafangion: no, I always do ifdown; ifup |
| 12:15.35 | arcil | abrotman: i only found a way for gentoo: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xbox_360_controller_on_Linux and i thought perhaps there is a way without manualy recompiling my kernel |
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| 12:15.49 | litage_ | asg, jelly-home: thanks, i'll check the manpage |
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| 12:16.32 | jelly-home | Arafangion: screen wouldn't have helped either |
| 12:16.33 | abrotman | arcil: you could email debian-kernel@lists.debian.org .. but i doubt it |
| 12:16.39 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I once turned off a remote server by "shutdown -h now", I thought I was turning my local machine off! :) (Never did it again, since that time four years ago!) |
| 12:17.55 | jelly-home | Arafangion: eh, I pressed ctrl-alt-delete on the wrong server just a few months ago. Curse those kvm consoles! |
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| 12:18.25 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Well, you didn't need to go into a separate building to turn it on, at least. :) |
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| 12:19.04 | juan | hi all! |
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| 12:19.36 | juan | i have a small problem trying to install ntfs-3g |
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| 12:20.07 | kakalto | what package do I get make-kpkg from? |
| 12:20.22 | petemc | kernel-package |
| 12:20.29 | kakalto | thanks |
| 12:20.35 | juan | does anyone know what repository i have to enamle in rder to get it via apt-get? |
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| 12:21.53 | telepele1 | anyone know how to add a splash screen in kernel boot up to hide all the text |
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| 12:22.25 | kakalto | how do I configure my kernel using make menuconfig? |
| 12:22.29 | kakalto | what other packages do I need? |
| 12:22.32 | kakalto | -_- |
| 12:22.33 | wols_ | !bootsplash |
| 12:22.33 | dpkg | it has been said that bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 12:22.45 | wols_ | kakalto: build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 12:22.45 | petemc | kakalto: libncurses5-dev , build-essential |
| 12:22.52 | kakalto | thanks. |
| 12:23.07 | wols_ | kakalto: and your eally want to use kernel-package to compile it |
| 12:23.17 | wols_ | ah, you already asked about that. nvm |
| 12:23.20 | kakalto | wols_: yeah, got that |
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| 12:24.02 | juan | please anyone what repository to enable to get ntfs-3g via apt-get? |
| 12:24.25 | kakalto | alright, I configured my kernel. Any ideas why make-kpkg only returns the help menu? |
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| 12:25.13 | jelly-home | kakalto: because you didn't use the correct syntax? |
| 12:25.28 | kakalto | nevermind |
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| 12:28.03 | kakalto | okay, how about this one: I almost constantly (once every few seconds) get a message saying "usb 2-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3" at the terminal |
| 12:28.21 | kakalto | even now, using irssi |
| 12:29.11 | wols_ | you using any usb devices? |
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| 12:30.09 | kakalto | yes, four. If I unplug them all, I still get the mssage |
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| 12:31.39 | Arafangion | !bot |
| 12:31.39 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 12:33.34 | Arafangion | kakalto: You need to tell syslog ot shut up. |
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| 12:33.46 | kakalto | Arafangion: cool, how? |
| 12:34.17 | talisker | Hi, I want to install Debian testing on a Dell laptop |
| 12:34.45 | Ronin | talisker: so far so good |
| 12:34.47 | talisker | This laptop has it's own kind of boot partition, which then calls NTLDR [or whatever they use on vista] |
| 12:35.20 | talisker | I was wondering if anybody has ever tried this feat before, and can tell me if there's anything I need to do for it to work |
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| 12:36.40 | talisker | I also wanted to know how hard it is to integrate Debian with wifi networks, and if there's a good CLI tool that can menage that |
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| 12:37.11 | talisker | Same for bluetooth connections |
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| 12:37.38 | Arafangion | talisker: Harder than Mac OS X, more reliable than windows. |
| 12:37.49 | Arafangion | talisker: It's an utterly different OS, so expect a learning curve. |
| 12:37.56 | Dr_plasmab | ok.. is there a stock kernel that will boot to a drive on intel sata controller ? |
| 12:38.03 | talisker | Arafangion, I've been using Deb on my desktop for years |
| 12:38.43 | sohmestra | Dr_plasmab: probably. which sata controller? |
| 12:38.46 | Arafangion | talisker: I tend to use network-manager, (I think that's what it's called), but on the console, it's the same as you usually setup the network using the network/interfaces file. |
| 12:39.09 | Arafangion | talisker: Though, you'd need to install extra programs. As for bluetooth... never tried it. |
| 12:39.11 | talisker | Arafangion, what about scanning for available networks? |
| 12:39.17 | jelly-home | Dr_plasmab: which intel sata controller? the default 2.6.18 for etch works on my ICH6 laptop |
| 12:39.20 | abrotman | Dr_plasmab: which one? |
| 12:39.31 | xand | depends on your wifi chipset as well as whether your wlan uses wep/wpa/etc |
| 12:39.33 | Dr_plasmab | 82801FB i think |
| 12:39.36 | Dr_plasmab | let me lspci |
| 12:39.49 | Dr_plasmab | 82810FB/FW |
| 12:39.52 | abrotman | etch worked on the ICH7 i have here |
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| 12:40.04 | Arafangion | talisker: I believe you can do that too, but I've never done that from the console. |
| 12:40.14 | talisker | xand, creating an interface for my personal wlan is no biggie, I was thinking about scanning for public networks, coffee houses etc. |
| 12:40.21 | Dr_plasmab | the install cd mounts it ok... but i reinstalled the kernel and its panicing at boot time |
| 12:40.28 | asg | talisker: iwlist <interface> scan |
| 12:40.31 | Dr_plasmab | cant find sda1 is the error |
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| 12:40.38 | talisker | kthx :) |
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| 12:45.13 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:45.13 | dpkg | hmm... qotd143 is < stoned> jetscreamer: i'll join you. lets run away together |
| 12:45.17 | abrotman | Dr_plasmab: which installer are you using ? |
| 12:45.26 | abrotman | Dr_plasmab: that device seems to be tied to ICH6 |
| 12:45.34 | CalebRipley | How can i delete the saved actions of apt? apt would delete my kernel if i start a install, so i would delete the to-do-list of pt. |
| 12:45.42 | abrotman | Dr_plasmab: the installer has an lspci that you can get to |
| 12:45.46 | CalebRipley | Where should i find these? |
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| 12:46.48 | liable | CalebRipley: apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 12:48.28 | CalebRipley | liable: i got the problem with aptitude, but apt-get should do the same now. |
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| 12:49.17 | Knight_Lord | My nfs server has a load of about 4 which is much higher than normal yet iowait is 0. Can anyone help me diagnose the problem? |
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| 12:50.35 | liable | CalebRipley: aptitude and apt-get handle things differently |
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| 12:51.41 | Knight_Lord | Actually it's iowait yes |
| 12:51.45 | telepele1 | make-kpkg --added_patches bootsplash |
| 12:51.45 | telepele1 | exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=nfsboot.1.0 KPKG_SELECTED_PATCHES="bootsplash" |
| 12:51.45 | telepele1 | nothing to be done. |
| 12:52.12 | jelly-home | telepele1: you didn't tell it what to build. |
| 12:52.20 | CalebRipley | liable: but both of them whant to do the same. How can i delete the to-do-list for aptitude? |
| 12:52.28 | jelly-home | telepele1: eg. kernel_image |
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| 12:52.49 | telepele1 | jelly-home, but kernel_image will compile the kernel no??? |
| 12:53.02 | jelly-home | telepele1: well, don't you want to do that? |
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| 12:53.16 | telepele1 | jelly-home, no i must configure the option the new patch adds |
| 12:53.45 | jelly-home | telepele1: so use some target other than kernel_image. |
| 12:53.51 | telepele1 | such as? |
| 12:53.56 | jelly-home | rtfm, dunno |
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| 12:55.27 | jelly-home | make-kpkg --targets for a quick reference |
| 12:55.39 | dondelelcaro | telepele1: so just run make menuconfig or use the --config option to make-kpkg |
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| 12:56.38 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: he probably first needs to patch the kernel to gain access to the new configs |
| 12:57.02 | telepele1 | ye |
| 12:57.31 | jelly-home | make-kpkg ... debian looks promising |
| 12:57.44 | dondelelcaro | config always gets run as part of the build process |
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| 12:58.05 | dondelelcaro | generally it's oldconfig, which just selects the defaults, but if you use --config menuconfig, you'll get the menuconfig target run instead. |
| 12:58.06 | CalebRipley | And how can i repair crashed packages? |
| 12:58.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell CalebRipley -about bat |
| 12:58.55 | xyz123 | I have a creative soundblastercard an im using emu10k1. My question is why do i need pcm_oss in addition to the emu10k1 driver? and what is the difference between alsa and oss? |
| 12:59.01 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: ah, that would work, thanks |
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| 12:59.26 | CalebRipley | xyz123: thx |
| 12:59.59 | xyz123 | CalebRipley, ? |
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| 13:01.21 | CalebRipley | xyz123: sry, ^^ ... false line.. i combines your nick with the line of dondelelcaro |
| 13:02.45 | CalebRipley | dondelelcaro: it will be get some time.. i will look for the informations |
| 13:02.46 | sohmestra | xyz123: oss is old, alsa is new, basically. |
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| 13:03.18 | xyz123 | sohmestra, but i need alsa plus my emuk drivers? |
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| 13:03.37 | famir | does any one knows how much memmory etch suports |
| 13:03.45 | telepele1 | make-kpkg --added-patches bootsplash --config menuconfig |
| 13:03.50 | telepele1 | nothing to be done. |
| 13:04.14 | sohmestra | xyz123: if you've an alsa driver for it, no. |
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| 13:04.51 | sohmestra | xyz123: if you've got apps that only know how to talk to oss, you'll need the alsa oss emulation module(s) |
| 13:05.05 | sohmestra | xyz123: pcm_oss, I think |
| 13:05.10 | xyz123 | sohmestra, aah |
| 13:05.14 | wols_ | !tell telepele1 about kp-mantra |
| 13:05.58 | xyz123 | sohmestra, but how does it work, is the alsa drivers "above" the emuk drivers or how does the soundsystem drivers work? |
| 13:06.32 | telepele1 | you are saying i need to clean it before ? |
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| 13:08.20 | wols_ | telepele1: no |
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| 13:08.40 | wols_ | you need to tell it what to build. in your case: make-kpkg --targets |
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| 13:09.32 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
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| 13:10.20 | waspius | does anyone know how i can resize a picture to be 2048x2048? |
| 13:10.27 | sohmestra | xyz123: the alsa drivers usually are prefixed with "snd_" |
| 13:10.31 | tarzeau | waspius: in gimp or w/ mogrify |
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| 13:11.12 | waspius | tarzeau: i am trying with gimp but i dont seem to find it..i can change only the width or the height and the other changes automatically |
| 13:11.18 | Maximilian | can the debian netinstaller can partition my drive? or will i have to use qtparted first... |
| 13:11.39 | asg | Maximilian: the installer can partition your drive |
| 13:11.47 | Maximilian | asg: great, thanks |
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| 13:12.02 | xand | of course it can, it's not gentoo ;D |
| 13:12.06 | Maximilian | as soon as this iso has burnt i'm going to have a go |
| 13:12.09 | tarzeau | waspius: resize, there's an unlock chain there |
| 13:12.15 | tarzeau | waspius: so each of those is individual |
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| 13:12.38 | xyz123 | sohmestra, tnx |
| 13:13.48 | waspius | tarzeau: is there any chance u can tell me exactly where it is because i dont seem to find it? |
| 13:14.10 | TolstoyInlove | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.30 | tarzeau | waspius: there's something that looks like a chain right next to the numbers |
| 13:14.37 | tarzeau | waspius: THIS is what i mean, gtk is crap |
| 13:14.41 | tarzeau | waspius: it's really crap! :) |
| 13:14.51 | tarzeau | waspius: users can't even figure what can be clicked and what not |
| 13:14.57 | tarzeau | really REALLY bad design |
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| 13:16.30 | waspius | tarzeau: thank you..found it!! |
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| 13:19.31 | indego | I am having an issue with Debian Etch and Cyrus+LDAP+Fetchmail+LMTP. The cyrus process keeps getting killed after every delivery... |
| 13:19.42 | indego | cyrus/master[8344]: process 8495 exited, signaled to death by 6 |
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| 13:20.11 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/29164 |
| 13:20.19 | blinx | autoconf is installed |
| 13:20.25 | blinx | libtool, too |
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| 13:20.49 | OGl | good morning |
| 13:20.56 | blinx | in what for a way I should adjust my ACLOCAL_FLAGS? |
| 13:21.01 | blinx | OGl: morning |
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| 13:21.18 | asg | blinx: you might need autotools-dev and m4 |
| 13:21.19 | OGl | =) |
| 13:21.39 | OGl | anyone having all gl applications crashing? =0 |
| 13:21.39 | blinx | asg: both is installed |
| 13:22.01 | blinx | asg: very strange... |
| 13:22.18 | wols_ | OGl: ask your real question |
| 13:23.34 | OGl | wols_ well, when i run glxinfo or any other application using gl my x crashes |
| 13:23.57 | wols_ | lemme guess: you didn't install the drivers the debian way? ati or nvidia? |
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| 13:24.39 | blinx | asg: automake is missing |
| 13:24.40 | indego | http://paste.debian.net/29165 has log entries |
| 13:25.02 | CalebRipley | dondelelcaro: my output of the "apt-get install" is in german, is there a possibiliy to start apt-get in english? |
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| 13:25.24 | asg | blinx: ah. If you haven't already, make sure you have build-essential installed as well to prevent other oddness. |
| 13:25.33 | JoKo | Hi, I'm using Debian Etch on a server and although I've installed iptables, /etc/init.d/iptables is missing. Do I have to re-install iptables? |
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| 13:25.49 | omri | iptables' init script was removed |
| 13:25.58 | wols_ | JoKo: why would there be such a file? |
| 13:26.00 | blinx | asg: now it wants python >2.5 |
| 13:26.04 | indego | I have rebuilt the libldap2 with --without-cyrus-sasl as per the Docs re sasl+cyrus+libnss |
| 13:26.05 | blinx | but in sid is only 2.4 |
| 13:26.19 | omri | JoKo, use iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 13:26.28 | indego | After the install and a restart of relevent services I still get errors. |
| 13:26.28 | wols_ | indego: cyrus or cyrus21? |
| 13:26.29 | JoKo | wols_, I was reading an iptables tutorial for Debian |
| 13:27.00 | JoKo | omri, ok, I will do so. How to automatically restore the rules after a reboot? |
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| 13:27.08 | indego | Cyrus (2.2) |
| 13:27.24 | asg | blinx: python2.5 is in etch, it must surely be in sid |
| 13:27.29 | blinx | mom |
| 13:27.34 | omri | I have iptables-restore < /etc/iptables-rules on my /etc/rc.local |
| 13:27.43 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.48 | omri | JoKo, ^ |
| 13:27.50 | cydork | !info python2.5 |
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| 13:27.53 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3004 kB, Installed size: 10268 kB |
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| 13:27.56 | atp | is there any way to make GTK apps choose a particular font for just the CJK block? |
| 13:27.58 | asg | blinx: both exist, just install the python2.5 package |
| 13:28.01 | cydork | blinx: see it is there. |
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| 13:28.15 | blinx | asg: thx |
| 13:28.34 | blinx | I wonder because debian has only "old" packages ;-) |
| 13:28.41 | Arafangion | Hey, can I bind a key to a command? |
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| 13:28.48 | blinx | sure |
| 13:28.54 | Maximilian | woo its installing |
| 13:28.55 | Arafangion | (In the console) |
| 13:29.06 | indego | wols_ cyrus (cyrus-imapd-2.2) (again with name to make clear) |
| 13:29.17 | JoKo | omri, I see... Thanks for the tip |
| 13:29.17 | blinx | Arafangion: a terminal emulator or the virtual console? |
| 13:29.22 | wols_ | indego: so what is the problem? |
| 13:29.28 | omri | JoKo, no problem, wait a sec I'll give you some reading metirial |
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| 13:29.37 | fluxdude | do you guys use managed or unmanaged switches on the outside of your firewalls? |
| 13:29.42 | indego | wols_ did you see my pastebin link? |
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| 13:30.37 | Arafangion | blinx: The Linux Console. |
| 13:30.55 | igoralmeida | hi. i'm having problems using a downloaded dvd iso image for ia64 installler |
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| 13:31.06 | omri | JoKo, hmm... I remember there was a README.Debian for iptables somewhere stating the init script is no longer used |
| 13:31.09 | OGl | wols_ well my videocard is an intel gmx3000 |
| 13:31.31 | OGl | Q963/Q965 |
| 13:31.32 | wols_ | indego: why are you needing 2.2 btw? |
| 13:31.34 | borius | When I try to create an encrypted partition with cryptsetup I get this error msg: "device-mapper: ioctl: device doesn't appear to be in the dev hash table". What can be wrong? |
| 13:31.52 | asg | Arafangion: your shell probably has 'bind' support. |
| 13:32.05 | indego | wols_ I don't *need* it, but it seems to be the debian Etch default. |
| 13:32.16 | igoralmeida | system says it can't read the cd-rom (?) properly. the dvd is not bootable by the way, so i had to copy the image to my hd |
| 13:32.26 | wols_ | info cyrus |
| 13:32.31 | wols_ | info cyrus-common |
| 13:33.42 | wols_ | !info cyrus-common |
| 13:33.42 | wols_ | doh |
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| 13:33.42 | omri | wols_, the bot doesn't like you |
| 13:33.43 | Arafangion | asg: To bind to an arbituary keycode? Hmm. |
| 13:33.43 | asg | Arafangion: seems that way. You could always run screen and use its keybinding features. |
| 13:33.45 | Arafangion | Hmm - I always run screen, so that is a very good option. |
| 13:34.12 | Arafangion | asg: How would I do it on the X11 though? (I use both) |
| 13:34.20 | indego | wols_ The whole setup is working. I can send / receive / auth / deliver / etc it is just I am getting nasty errors in the log and it does not look right. |
| 13:34.29 | asg | Arafangion: your window manager / environment or something like xbindkeys |
| 13:34.37 | wols_ | indego: that sieve line looks fucked up |
| 13:34.41 | Arafangion | asg: Thanks :) |
| 13:34.53 | wols_ | and lmtp might have some problems depending on the MTA (chroot in postfix) |
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| 13:35.28 | indego | wols_ yes, there are no sieve scritps, but that is not a major issue. |
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| 13:36.38 | indego | wols_ or is it that that is crashing the cyrus master... |
| 13:36.52 | indego | I will add a sieve script to check |
| 13:36.55 | igoralmeida | can anyone help me with the dvd image for etch's ia64 installer? |
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| 13:37.21 | wols_ | it can work fine without one. but you configured to have it one which does not exist |
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| 13:37.29 | wols_ | and the path to it is really fucked up with ** |
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| 13:38.53 | indego | wols_ I didn't do any sieve config up till now. I set no defaults, I think that is the debian default.... and the **'s in the paths are just masking email addresses.. |
| 13:39.03 | jelly-home | igoralmeida: wow, you really need ia64? |
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| 13:39.28 | wols_ | igoralmeida: if you really had a ia64 CPU you'd know. you have a P4 or core2duo, right? |
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| 13:39.55 | igoralmeida | a xeon |
| 13:39.59 | igoralmeida | actually, two xeons |
| 13:40.14 | jelly-home | igoralmeida: you want amd64 |
| 13:40.56 | igoralmeida | i don't get it, then |
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| 13:41.06 | wols_ | !ia64 |
| 13:41.06 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 13:41.12 | wols_ | ia64 is itanium |
| 13:41.25 | xand | igoralmeida: ia64 is for itanium... amd64 is for xeon (and amd 64-bit) |
| 13:41.33 | igoralmeida | oh damn. |
| 13:41.42 | xand | !amd64 |
| 13:41.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about ... |
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| 13:41.54 | igoralmeida | gotta download another 4GB :P |
| 13:42.08 | xand | netinstall++ |
| 13:42.20 | igoralmeida | ok, thank you guys |
| 13:42.46 | jelly-home | igoralmeida: if your machine is going to have an internet connection, you don't need the whole dvd |
| 13:43.07 | jelly-home | just use the netinst image instead |
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| 13:44.22 | igoralmeida | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 13:48.17 | thraddie | hello. Could anybody advise me a dvd player which can play a DVD from directory? Mplayer does it, but it can't navigate menus. Other players seem to want plain dvd device |
| 13:48.26 | infester | vlc |
| 13:48.32 | wols_ | indego: from wht googling got me a inconsistent cyrus DB |
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| 13:49.05 | thraddie | infernix, thx |
| 13:49.20 | wols_ | indego: http://www.google.de/search?q=debian+service+lmtpunix+pid++in+BUSY+state%3A+terminated+abnormally&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 13:49.35 | wols_ | or that |
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| 13:50.26 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 13:50.38 | wols_ | indego: so have you checked BTS yet? |
| 13:50.40 | ^rob^ | what's the best traffic shapping solution on linux? |
| 13:50.54 | thraddie | vlc just crashed on etch amd-x64 ;) |
| 13:50.57 | Arafangion | ^rob^: ... Linux. |
| 13:50.58 | asg | ^rob^: look at lartc.org |
| 13:51.05 | ma3x | hello. I'm trying to enlarge /dev/hda2 to fit the free space on the left (towards the beginning). I deleted /dev/hda1 but when I recreate again the new partition with the maximum space, it displays the contents of /dev/hda1 and not /dev/hda2 |
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| 13:51.32 | ^rob^ | i have to do some comparations between linux/freebsd shaping solutions |
| 13:52.46 | indego | wols_ I did a ldd on most of the binaries and they all look OK. I also found that link a few hours ago. BTW what is BTS. |
| 13:53.06 | wols_ | !BTS |
| 13:53.06 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 13:53.52 | wols_ | ^rob^: all shaping uses iptables/netfilter. the most advanced is probably HTB. lartc.org will tell you |
| 13:54.24 | wols_ | ma3x: then you need to create it at the right place |
| 13:54.39 | wols_ | and even then linux might not see it as hda2 since there own't be a hda1 |
| 13:54.48 | wols_ | just fix your menu.lst and your fstab instead |
| 13:54.49 | indego | wols_ Ah, I was thinking cyrus... http://bugs.debian.org/145766 is the link to the BTS that is in the cyrus-doc-2.2/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:54.50 | ma3x | wols_, what does mean the right place? |
| 13:54.59 | petemc | wols_: tc doesnt use netfilter, does it? |
| 13:56.03 | wols_ | petemc: I think it does. there have been some old and depreceated stuff int he kernel |
| 13:56.11 | ma3x | if let's say you have 80 GB drive - 40 is /dev/hda1 40 is /dev/hda2 , so you delete /dev/hda1 and then recreate /dev/hda2 80 GB which becomes /dev/hda1 |
| 13:56.18 | ma3x | and then it still displays the contents of /dev/hda1 |
| 13:56.24 | wols_ | yes it does |
| 13:56.31 | ma3x | what do I do wrong? |
| 13:56.31 | wols_ | petemc: look into wondershaper |
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| 13:56.33 | jelly-home | ma3x: of course. |
| 13:56.50 | ma3x | so it's impossible to enlarge on the left side? |
| 13:57.00 | petemc | wols_: i dont need to do traffic shaping, i just thought there were other ways to do it than just netfilter |
| 13:57.02 | jelly-home | ma3x: you didn't actually move the contents of the partition to the left |
| 13:57.05 | wols_ | ma3x: you don't recreate hda2 on an empty (for the partition table) disk. of course you create hda1 |
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| 13:57.18 | ma3x | how do I do that? |
| 13:57.35 | wols_ | you look up the partition table layout |
| 13:57.53 | ma3x | I see the point |
| 13:57.59 | wols_ | and you notice there are 4 places for a partition there |
| 13:58.09 | ma3x | I'd be better off creating a new /dev/hda1 and then moving everything from /dev/hda2 to it |
| 13:58.10 | jelly-home | ma3x: parted (or a gui around it like gparted)... starting with the correct visible hda2 |
| 13:58.12 | wols_ | and you make your fdisk to use the 2nd and pray. |
| 13:58.22 | wols_ | but no guarantees it will work |
| 13:58.26 | tls_81 | hi everyone... Am writing a shell script for one of my servers, and need to know how to specify username and password on the command line for an ftp session, I have tried ftp servername -u username -p password but to no avail... anyone done this b4? |
| 13:58.43 | wols_ | the right way to do it is how I told you: fix the two places where hda2 is referenced |
| 13:58.52 | ma3x | jelly-home, parted doesn't resize on the left |
| 13:58.58 | xand | tls_81: doing that would make even less secure, as anyone could obtain the password using ps |
| 13:58.59 | jelly-home | ma3x: gparted does. |
| 13:59.05 | xand | +ftp |
| 13:59.19 | ma3x | jelly-home, not to the left |
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| 13:59.27 | asg | tls_81: specify it in the user's .netrc |
| 13:59.31 | wols_ | tls_81: get better ftp client |
| 13:59.37 | jelly-home | ma3x: it does, I've used it. |
| 13:59.47 | wols_ | lftp, ncftp, etc |
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| 14:00.05 | asg | or don't use ftp at all |
| 14:00.06 | ma3x | put it this way: if you enlarge a partition to the right, you tell it to use the free space, so you don't need data moving |
| 14:00.13 | jelly-home | ma3x: well, it actually moves the partition to the left, then resizes, but that's the only reasonable way to do it anyway |
| 14:00.17 | ma3x | but if you enlarge to the left, then the data needs to be moved on the beginning |
| 14:00.20 | tls_81 | thx for all respnc going to look into dif ftp client/ .netrc file |
| 14:00.29 | ma3x | and you can't do this with parted or other tools |
| 14:00.31 | noorul` | tunnel ftp over ssh |
| 14:00.58 | tls_81 | in this case only a ftp connection to another server is possible.... |
| 14:01.16 | jelly-home | ma3x: that's exactly what gparted does, right |
| 14:01.49 | ma3x | jelly-home, it doesn't "SEE" the space available on the left. you know why? |
| 14:01.56 | jelly-home | no |
| 14:01.59 | xand | noorul`: tunnelling ftp over ssh doesn't really work, due to the lameness of the ftp |
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| 14:02.03 | wols_ | tls_81: for script use, ncftpput and ncftpget are very useful btw |
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| 14:02.13 | ma3x | jelly-home, me neither. it sees free space only on the right side |
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| 14:02.53 | drocko | hey everyone |
| 14:03.27 | drocko | i have a quick question.how can i tell what configure options were used for php5 in debian etch? |
| 14:03.38 | ma3x | if you put it this way it might explain things better. you have 3 partitions: hda1 30 GB hda2 20 GB hda3 30 GB . if you delete hda3, you can enlarge hda2 to 50 GB. but if you delete hda1, you can't enlarge hda2 |
| 14:03.40 | tls_81 | wols_: seems that .ntrc is what i was looking for... but will look into ncftpget ncftpput... thx |
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| 14:04.04 | jelly-home | ma3x: I hope hda2 isn't mounted at present? |
| 14:04.05 | ma3x | jelly-home, you understand what im saying? |
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| 14:04.14 | ma3x | jelly-home, of course not |
| 14:04.48 | jelly-home | ma3x: well, that's strange. I think it ought to work, but can't verify right now |
| 14:04.56 | tls_81 | drocko: http://uk.php.net/phpinfo |
| 14:05.08 | jelly-home | ma3x: can you move hda2 to the left? |
| 14:05.19 | ma3x | jelly, no, because it doesnt see the free space |
| 14:05.21 | telepele1 | hey , agpgart in debianized 2.6.18 kernel source dosent work with intel 946GZ/GL |
| 14:05.29 | jelly-home | ma3x: even after deleting hda1? |
| 14:05.36 | ma3x | yes |
| 14:05.41 | ma3x | with both hda1 and hda3 deleted |
| 14:05.43 | jelly-home | ma3x: which version of gparted? |
| 14:05.46 | ma3x | it would only see hda2 |
| 14:05.59 | vlt | Hello. What is the best in Debian available (command line) tool to place an image (jpeg/png/tiff) at a certain position at a certain size on an empty "page" (A4) and create a pdf file? I tried to use LaTeX but this seems a little overkill. Is there an ImageMagick option that a do this? Or simply a gs/ps command? Any idea? |
| 14:06.05 | ma3x | 0.2.5-2 |
| 14:06.17 | ma3x | the same thing with qtparted |
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| 14:06.22 | vlt | Something like `image-to-pdf-tool --size=A4 --top=5.5cm --left=8cm [ --width=3cm | --width=150% ] small-image.jpg > page.pdf` |
| 14:06.31 | jelly-home | ma3x: that's rather old. Use gparted's livecd if you can. |
| 14:07.10 | ma3x | jelly-home, I didn't know there is such a thing gparted live cd |
| 14:07.20 | jelly-home | gparted.sf.net |
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| 14:07.43 | ma3x | jelly-home, is there a deb to it? |
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| 14:09.02 | jelly-home | ma3x: no idea. LiveCDs usually come as iso images to be burned on cds :-) |
| 14:09.45 | jelly-home | ma3x: gparted in unstable is 0.3.3-2 which is reasonably fresh |
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| 14:10.04 | drocko | tls_81: when i build php from source I can see the configure options on the phpinfo() page, but when i install a deb i do not see this there |
| 14:10.11 | drocko | even when i pass INFO_ALL to it |
| 14:10.28 | drocko | i seem to remember this stuff being documented with the packages. is that true? |
| 14:10.52 | Zenox | I'm running Apache 2.2.3 on Debian Etch. Using wildcard certs give me this error message -> RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `*.domain.com' does NOT match server name!? This error occurs after reinstalling Etch from i386 to the AMD64 variant. Anyone know what could be wrong? |
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| 14:11.22 | cr3 | is there a way to determine which process using performing the most disk io? |
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| 14:12.54 | drocko | cr3: lsof might give you the information you need. check the man page for it |
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| 14:13.58 | bowsey-unix | hello |
| 14:14.51 | indego | wols_ Well I have installed a sieve script for one of the users after fixing a sieveshell login issue. (would not auth without the nscd running - part of this libldap2 issue I think). That use now does not get the sieve errors but I still get this 'signaled to death by 6' error |
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| 14:15.10 | _Rubyxx | I have somehow lost 3 of my four different desktops and have only one now, with all apps showing at one...Does anyone know how I can get back the original 4 desktops? |
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| 14:15.31 | _Rubyxx | ...in one place |
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| 14:16.19 | cr3 | drocko: the lsof manpage has only one line about "disk" which is not very useful |
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| 14:17.17 | nick108 | Hi there, I'd like to apt-get install unrar (http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/unrar), but Sarge says "no installation candiate" :-( |
| 14:17.18 | drocko | cr3: other than that there is iostat i guess, but this will not give you per process statistics |
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| 14:17.54 | nick108 | Although my sources.list setup also includes non-free |
| 14:17.58 | drocko | my bad, iostat is a bsd command |
| 14:17.59 | cr3 | drocko: right, I've been checking the iostat manpage and couldn't find anything useful there |
| 14:18.09 | indego | wols_ all binaries are linked to libdb-4.2.so => /usr/lib/libdb-4.2.so (crymaster / lmtpd / etc) |
| 14:18.12 | cr3 | drocko: isn't it available in the sysstat package? |
| 14:18.22 | cr3 | drocko: I'm thinking maybe sar might be useful |
| 14:18.39 | bowsey-unix | nick108: can u install rar? I mean, you don't need unrar, you can also unrar files with rar |
| 14:18.44 | bowsey-unix | as far as i remember... |
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| 14:19.21 | nick108 | bowsey-unix: no installation candiate either for rar |
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| 14:19.30 | bowsey-unix | hmm... |
| 14:19.45 | bowsey-unix | sth's wrong with your sources... just a second |
| 14:20.00 | wols_ | indego: that comes from something else. I'd suggest looking in the bTS since that's where you most likely find the answer |
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| 14:20.36 | bowsey-unix | according to http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/rar it is in non-free |
| 14:20.59 | nick108 | so how do I setup my sources.list to include non-free packages? |
| 14:21.03 | nick108 | currently it looks like this http://pastie.caboo.se/65632 |
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| 14:22.23 | bowsey-unix | nick108: I see you use the german server. maybe due to some weird reason the germans currently don't have rar. try another server |
| 14:22.37 | ma3x | jelly-home, you werre right! the new gparted has this function and is working well! thanks |
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| 14:22.57 | bowsey-unix | reason 2 may be that rar doesn't exist for your architecture |
| 14:23.04 | bowsey-unix | you use a 64 version |
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| 14:23.11 | abrotman | !tell nick108 about non-free |
| 14:23.11 | jelly-home | ma3x: nice |
| 14:23.15 | ma3x | jelly-home, after I change /dev/hda2 to /dev/hda1, what should I change except /etc/fstab? |
| 14:23.19 | ma3x | so that the system can boot |
| 14:23.23 | wols_ | nick108: you use amd64. most probably there is no unrar for amd64 |
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| 14:23.36 | abrotman | nick108: you might need contrib also in your main sources |
| 14:23.37 | wols_ | nick108: remember: non-free software. so either use the 32bit version or you#re out |
| 14:23.48 | abrotman | nick108: and don't forget aptitude update after you edit your sources |
| 14:23.49 | luca____ | hello all ^^ |
| 14:23.58 | jelly-home | ma3x: that's pretty much it. If you use gparted, I _think_ the number will stay the same |
| 14:24.33 | wols_ | nick108: you use sarge |
| 14:24.36 | jelly-home | ma3x: if this is not your boot partition, nothing more to do |
| 14:24.41 | frank | ma3x: your bootloader config |
| 14:24.41 | nick108 | wols_: yes |
| 14:24.49 | nick108 | thanks for your input guys |
| 14:24.53 | bowsey-unix | nic108: the alternative is to run WinRAR or TugZIP over Wine, maybe it helps |
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| 14:25.04 | ma3x | jelly-home, it is the boot partition :) |
| 14:25.09 | abrotman | doesn't 7zip also do rar ? |
| 14:25.10 | ma3x | so menu.lst and what else? |
| 14:25.14 | nick108 | bowsey-unix: it's only a web server |
| 14:25.20 | wols_ | the alternative is to use a 32bit version of it |
| 14:25.34 | jelly-home | ma3x: I'm not sure whether grub-install needs rerunning or not. |
| 14:25.39 | bowsey-unix | oops, then no go with wine :) |
| 14:25.52 | wols_ | abrotman: not all rar formatversions |
| 14:25.52 | Zenox | wols_: i'm running etch with amd64 version and i have unrar (using non-free sources that is)... unrar-free is in normal repos |
| 14:26.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: there's the shareware rar in non-free |
| 14:26.01 | wols_ | Zenox: he runs sarge |
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| 14:26.12 | bowsey-unix | nick108: why not upgrade to etch? it's stable now |
| 14:26.20 | Zenox | wols_: ah okay, that explains alot :) |
| 14:26.26 | indego | wols_ On the BTS the relevent bug is #145766, problem is I tried the fix (rebuild libldap2 --without-cyrus-sasl) and still no luck.... |
| 14:26.31 | bowsey-unix | Zenox obviously has it, so why not? |
| 14:26.54 | abrotman | wols_: i don't use rar .. wouldn't really know :) |
| 14:26.58 | wols_ | indego: the url I pasted references that but the bug still shows |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | nick108: call it .. 'training' :) |
| 14:27.30 | jelly-home | rar is teh choice for warez! |
| 14:27.40 | wols_ | nick108: just tell your admin that sooner or later he has to. if he wants to keep gettting updates |
| 14:27.47 | Zenox | bowsey-unix: i'm using etch, he's on sarge yet.. unrar maybe isn't in sarge amd64 then. dunno, i ran sarge on i386 |
| 14:27.58 | nick108 | wols_: will do :-) |
| 14:28.01 | Maximilian | does netinstall download kde? |
| 14:28.13 | Maximilian | 'cause I can't find it.. |
| 14:28.18 | bowsey-unix | Zenox: Yeah, i figured that out, that's why i suggested him to upgrade |
| 14:28.23 | wols_ | Maximilian: not by default |
| 14:28.27 | tls_81 | drocko: On etch server running php5 I have created a phpinfo() page to test and see all standard info...strange |
| 14:28.28 | Maximilian | ah ok |
| 14:28.30 | Maximilian | thanks |
| 14:28.32 | wols_ | !tell Maximilian about sources.list |
| 14:28.40 | wols_ | Maximilian: config your system properly and you can |
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| 14:29.34 | tls_81 | wols_: ncftpput is exactly what i need... Thx for ur help ;o) |
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| 14:30.06 | bowsey-unix | bye! |
| 14:30.18 | blinx | checking for vte module... no |
| 14:30.18 | blinx | configure: error: vte Python module required to build ontv |
| 14:30.25 | blinx | python-vte is installed |
| 14:30.45 | blinx | what is missing? |
| 14:30.50 | abrotman | Maximilian: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 14:31.05 | Maximilian | ok |
| 14:31.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you ever do 3d modeling? |
| 14:31.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: only when i'm wearing a skirt |
| 14:31.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: every night? |
| 14:31.35 | wols_ | blinx: configure output? |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have .. but not in a long time |
| 14:32.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: install sauerbraten already! it's great |
| 14:32.18 | BehindY0u | a bit plain imo :) |
| 14:32.43 | wols_ | tarzeau: isn't that "only" an engine? |
| 14:32.48 | Maximilian | aaand.. is there any reason why gnome won't let me change the screen resolution? its stuck on 640x480 |
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| 14:33.13 | BehindY0u | try directly editing xorg.conf and installing video drivers |
| 14:33.19 | tarzeau | wols_: no, it's also the game data and the editor (the package name, the well -data and -server exists too) |
| 14:33.21 | wols_ | !tell Maximilian about drxx |
| 14:33.22 | Maximilian | ok |
| 14:33.26 | Maximilian | thanks |
| 14:33.27 | tarzeau | wols_: sauerbraten (the game) pulls the -data |
| 14:33.40 | wols_ | what kinda game is it? typical FPS? |
| 14:33.46 | wols_ | "if it moves: shoot!"? |
| 14:33.56 | tarzeau | wols_: yes, but it's also an RPG :) |
| 14:34.14 | wols_ | that's more interesting |
| 14:34.18 | tarzeau | wols_: it's really great, www.eisenstern.com |
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| 14:36.19 | en1gma | sup all |
| 14:36.23 | Maximilian | ah thats MUCH better thanks |
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| 14:37.53 | telepele1 | why cant i select /dev/agpgart in 2.6.18 |
| 14:38.07 | telepele1 | --- /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | telepele1: ask #kernel |
| 14:38.56 | tarzeau | does someone use terragen in wine ? |
| 14:39.43 | vader-- | Would anyone be able to help me with an apache2 issue. I am running a web app called request tracker 3.4.5. IT is running on debian 3.1 with apache2 and mysql 4. When i request a page the apache cpu process(es) jump to taking 100% CPU utilization. The box was working for a couple weeks with no problems then it started doing this. I know the program is perl heavy so im not sure if that is an issue. Any help in leading me towards a way of dia |
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| 14:40.50 | sn0 | vader-- does apache use 100% cpu normally? or is it the script causing it |
| 14:41.01 | vader-- | when you request a page |
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| 14:41.20 | sn0 | so when the script executes |
| 14:41.46 | vader-- | ya |
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| 14:42.23 | vader-- | SALESRT-01:/var/log/apache2# tail error.log |
| 14:42.24 | vader-- | [Tue May 29 10:12:58 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 14:42.24 | vader-- | [Tue May 29 10:13:11 2007] [error] [client 204.183.88.102] File does not exist: /usr/share/request-tracker3.4/html/favicon.ico |
| 14:42.40 | vader-- | thats the error.log |
| 14:43.04 | abrotman | those aren't really errors |
| 14:43.20 | noorul` | vader--: that file doesnt matter i think |
| 14:43.21 | vader-- | ya |
| 14:43.24 | liable | no big deal |
| 14:43.49 | noorul` | vader--: something else might have happened |
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| 14:44.21 | abrotman | favicon.ico is the goofy little icon you get in your URL bar |
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| 14:44.44 | noorul` | page load should never fail without that AFAIK |
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| 14:45.33 | abrotman | it wouldn't |
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| 14:47.21 | blinx | wols_: right, configure output |
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| 15:00.34 | quitte | hi. i'm looking for a tiny daemon that monitors a set of files and when those changes executes a script. |
| 15:01.02 | funky | famd? |
| 15:01.14 | funky | a userland app for inotify? |
| 15:01.42 | funky | if you are talking about some file inside /dev, then udevd |
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| 15:01.52 | quitte | sorry nect time i'll search wit apt first then ask. seems icron is exactly what i want |
| 15:02.06 | quitte | funky: i'm talking about fles in /etc |
| 15:02.26 | sohmestra | whois quitte |
| 15:02.38 | sohmestra | err..heh. whoops. |
| 15:02.39 | funky | sohmestra: use / before whois |
| 15:02.46 | funky | :P |
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| 15:03.38 | sohmestra | funky: I didn't hit / hard enough. |
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| 15:04.35 | Wyzard | quitte: apt-cache show incron |
| 15:04.47 | Wyzard | quitte: oops, nevermind, you already found it :-) |
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| 15:06.41 | quitte | Wyzard: right. i just need a new keyboard to cause less confusion ;) |
| 15:07.15 | quitte | i wonder when i complained first about my keyboard here. must have been like 3 years ago |
| 15:07.49 | wols_ | blinx: check your configure.log then |
| 15:07.51 | wols_ | has more info |
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| 15:08.50 | sohmestra | quitte: get "das keyboard" it is nice, and macho in a geeky sort of way. |
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| 15:09.56 | axos88 | Hello! I have currently installed gcc-3.2 and gcc-4.1 on my system. By default, gcc-4.1 is used. What should I do if I would like to use gcc-3.2 by default (gcc-4.1 seems not to compile correctly) |
| 15:10.10 | Maximiliank | ah good, xchat works. |
| 15:10.10 | Anthro | How can I get the exact time a currently running process was started? |
| 15:10.38 | tech13 | is there a quick howto for setting up private rdns for 192.168.x.x? |
| 15:10.48 | quitte | sohmestra: yes. I love it. quite expensive, though. I guess I'll buy a keyboard from pckeyboard.com with a trackpoint,though |
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| 15:11.10 | Anthro | axos88: Usually you set the CC environment variable (and CXX for C++), which is picked up by most configure scripts/makefiles. |
| 15:11.17 | ma3x | what's sauerbraten? |
| 15:11.23 | ma3x | app game? |
| 15:11.23 | axos88 | ah, OK thanks |
| 15:11.24 | abrotman | ask google |
| 15:11.40 | axos88 | so I issue make CC=gcc-3.2 |
| 15:12.17 | quitte | incron needs a c compiler and thus wither needs t be compiled statically or needs extra libs. as i want to use it on an embedded system this is an issue. any alternatives? |
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| 15:12.40 | ma3x | it looks cool |
| 15:12.46 | ma3x | is it in debian ? |
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| 15:14.10 | quitte | ma3x: sauerbraten is a tasty piece of meat |
| 15:14.28 | ma3x | this is ridicilous I've set /dev/hda1 to resize from 50 to 70 GB - it already took 40 mins, now it's repeating it and it says time remaining 3 hours |
| 15:14.54 | ma3x | quitte, I know what sauerbraten is. weird name for a game |
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| 15:15.59 | asg | ma3x: no stranger than 'Burger Time' |
| 15:16.17 | blinx | kernel 2.6.21-1-amd64 |
| 15:16.21 | blinx | nice |
| 15:16.21 | ma3x | asg, what's the game about eating? |
| 15:16.30 | asg | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burger_Time |
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| 15:17.21 | kpearce | hey, I was in here last night because my pci sound card stopped working after upgrading from kernel 2.4 to 2.6. We determined that the problem was with getting an IRQ, and someone suggested rebooting with the irqpoll lilo option. I did this, and now there is a lot of stuff about IRQs in the dmesg output, but I'm not sure what to do with it... Can anyone help? |
| 15:17.22 | ma3x | asg, looks like bubble bubble or snow bros or something |
| 15:17.29 | abrotman | asg: RUN! |
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| 15:18.04 | asg | ma3x: the 1st person shooter format of the 80s (everything looks like donkey kong) |
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| 15:18.43 | abrotman | asg: somehow .. you seem dumber today... |
| 15:19.00 | ma3x | asg, obviously sauerbraten is something great compared to burger time |
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| 15:19.18 | asg | abrotman: it's the complete lack of anything to do I expect |
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| 15:19.30 | abrotman | asg: you could mow the lawn! |
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| 15:19.52 | asg | abrotman: why? Someone else does it |
| 15:20.08 | ma3x | asg, do you play sauerbraten? |
| 15:20.14 | asg | ma3x: no, sorry |
| 15:20.26 | ma3x | that's okay |
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| 15:21.44 | kpearce | I've got all sorts of stuff in dmesg from ACPI, but it doesn't mean anything to me |
| 15:21.55 | ma3x | is the engine the game itself? |
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| 15:22.34 | cast | so in miss universe when the crowd was booing ms usa, what were they saying? and what did the female host say to them [wasn't in english]? |
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| 15:23.08 | aadil | they werent booing miss usa |
| 15:23.16 | aadil | they were shouting, strip! strip! |
| 15:23.22 | cast | really? |
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| 15:23.29 | aadil | yes |
| 15:23.43 | cast | haha. what did the host say then? |
| 15:24.06 | aadil | i dunno, i was too busy installing lesbian linux |
| 15:24.08 | aadil | :> |
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| 15:24.15 | aadil | trying to* |
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| 15:24.50 | cast | i'm presuming you're not a lesbian. |
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| 15:26.14 | cast | 'Smith was booed during her interview and several audience members chanted "Mexico! Mexico!" until she spoke in Spanish, saying "Buenas noches Mexico. Muchas gracias!" which earned her applause. Mexico has a fierce rivalry with its northern neighbor.' |
| 15:26.21 | Zemus | !ot |
| 15:26.21 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 15:26.27 | Zemus | !tell cast about guidelines |
| 15:26.38 | cast | !tell cast it was quiet anyway! |
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| 15:27.08 | Zemus | There, now I too have acted like a completely anally redundant #debian dweller. I feel so at home here. And with that, I think I'll leave you morons to your ceaseless bickering. Ta! |
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| 15:28.18 | Ronin | anally redundant? that mean we have two? |
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| 15:29.32 | kpearce | what's it mean in dmesg where it says "If a device doesn't work try 'pci=routeirq'"? |
| 15:29.53 | cast | is that a kernel boot option perhaps? |
| 15:30.02 | aadil | u tried googling kpearce ? |
| 15:30.13 | kpearce | I'm looking at the ACPI docs right now |
| 15:30.19 | kpearce | because it seems to relate to that |
| 15:30.24 | kpearce | but they are not very useful... |
| 15:30.47 | kpearce | whatever it is, I'm not supposed to have to use it, because after that it says "If it helps, post a report." |
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| 15:35.32 | tarzeau | does debian support ps3 ? |
| 15:35.59 | avtobiff | think so. think ps3 has a mips cpu. |
| 15:36.07 | avtobiff | dont know about the booting though. |
| 15:36.14 | tarzeau | avtobiff: ppc64 |
| 15:36.18 | tarzeau | avtobiff: mips was ps1 and 2 |
| 15:36.18 | avtobiff | you may have to do some things. |
| 15:36.22 | avtobiff | tarzeau, ooh. |
| 15:36.26 | avtobiff | my bad. |
| 15:37.04 | tarzeau | i had seen debian on a ps3 back in february. but i'm not sure etch supports it |
| 15:37.04 | avtobiff | tarzeau, but if fedora supports it i would bet money on that debian does it. |
| 15:37.04 | tarzeau | wasn't listed at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/CELL-Linux-CL_20070516-ADDON/doc/HowToEnableYourDistro.html |
| 15:37.05 | avtobiff | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian%20ps3 |
| 15:37.06 | avtobiff | there you have some answers |
| 15:37.54 | wols_ | there is a debian based distro for ps3 afaik. but no, debian itself isn't running and does not support it |
| 15:38.32 | sepski | http://www.keshi.org/moin/moin.cgi/PS3/Debian/Installer |
| 15:38.52 | vader-- | Would anyone be able to help me with an apache2 issue. I am running a web app called request tracker 3.4.5. IT is running on debian 3.1 with apache2 and mysql 4. When i request a page the apache cpu process(es) jump to taking 100% CPU utilization. The box was working for a couple weeks with no problems then it started doing this. I know the program is perl heavy so im not sure if that is an issue. Any help in leading me towards a way of dia |
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| 15:39.46 | tarzeau | sepski: too bad |
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| 15:40.24 | sepski | when its working stable i might actualy buy a ps3 :) |
| 15:40.36 | Scuttle | hm...I get an error when installing apache2, tells me /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ is missing and I need to install apache2.2-common... |
| 15:40.47 | Scuttle | if I install that package I get the same error... |
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| 15:41.34 | avtobiff | Scuttle, what dist? |
| 15:41.37 | wols_ | if you install apache, all dependencies should be installed too |
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| 15:41.55 | avtobiff | Scuttle, and how do you install it? |
| 15:42.03 | Scuttle | etch |
| 15:42.07 | Scuttle | I did apt-get install apache2 |
| 15:42.22 | wols_ | Scuttle: paste full output of that |
| 15:42.34 | Ronin | Scuttle: on pastebin.ca preferably and not here |
| 15:42.41 | valdyn | !info apache2.2-common etch |
| 15:42.43 | dpkg | apache2.2-common: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4 (etch), Packaged size: 909 kB, Installed size: 3436 kB |
| 15:43.52 | Scuttle | http://pastebin.ca/519158 |
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| 15:44.58 | wols_ | Scuttle: you have actaully read what apt-get tells you? |
| 15:45.07 | wols_ | you did have apache2 installed at one point before? |
| 15:45.11 | Scuttle | yeah |
| 15:45.32 | wols_ | so have you done what apt tells you to do? |
| 15:45.34 | valdyn | Scuttle: purge and reinstall apache2.2-common |
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| 15:46.07 | Scuttle | hm... apt can't do purge it seems... |
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| 15:46.15 | wols_ | !purge |
| 15:46.15 | dpkg | from memory, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 15:46.23 | Scuttle | ah |
| 15:46.38 | Scuttle | there we go |
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| 15:50.15 | kpearce | After upgrading from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 on unstable, I can't get the kernel to properly assign an IRQ to my PCI soundcard (using the snd_ens1371 module). I've tried a variety of pci boot options. Any ideas? |
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| 15:51.32 | valdyn | kpearce: why do you think it isnt doing that? |
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| 15:52.46 | kpearce | valdyn: in lspci -vvv there is no interrupt information for my sound card at all, and if I run /etc/init.d/alsa reload I get an error that says "unable to grab IRQ 0" (that error also appears in dmesg). |
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| 15:53.03 | kombi | how do I make a mount --bind command permanent? |
| 15:53.14 | nick108 | Hi there, I'm having serious problems with special characters after upgrading from Sarge to Etch :-( |
| 15:53.39 | kombi | do I put that in fstab? |
| 15:54.16 | nick108 | MySQL dumps and also php files are displayed with this question mark icon in firefox |
| 15:54.16 | abrotman | your smiley key works though |
| 15:54.23 | valdyn | kpearce: try setting irqs in your bios |
| 15:54.54 | wols_ | kpearce: what soundcard is it? |
| 15:54.58 | nick108 | I can see the special characters on the shell correctly, but in the browser they're displayed as a question mark |
| 15:55.21 | kpearce | valdyn: I was just looking at my bios and couldn't find a place to set irqs |
| 15:56.02 | kpearce | wols_: it's an old soundblaster 32 (aka Ensoniq 5880) |
| 15:58.13 | Dantix | hi all, my etch is saying me the java vesion is: 1.4.2 from gij. What package should I install to upgrade java to 1.5 or newer? |
| 15:58.40 | wols_ | !install java |
| 15:58.40 | dpkg | from memory, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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| 15:59.32 | Dantix | wols_ dpkg thsnk |
| 15:59.40 | ftp3 | hello, I have a debian machine that has two hard drives in it.. I want to setup a cron job to use dd to "mirror" the main drive every night.. does anyone know of a site that could help me? |
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| 16:00.36 | petemc | ftp3: dd is a fairly blunt instrument - you might want to look into using something else |
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| 16:00.50 | petemc | ftp3: or just use raid1 |
| 16:00.59 | ftp3 | petemc.. do you have a suggestion? I do not have raid on the system :-( |
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| 16:01.34 | abrotman | ftp3: you might want rsync |
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| 16:02.23 | ftp3 | abrotman, thanks, i will read about that |
| 16:02.40 | abrotman | ftp3: i use rsync in such a case .. we didn't want RAID1 .. but every nigth it rsyncs to another drive in the system |
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| 16:04.59 | MiK[3]Zz | hi, is ThinkPad 11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Mini-PCI Express Adapter supported? |
| 16:05.33 | jelly-home | MiK[3]Zz: try thinkwiki.org |
| 16:06.09 | jelly-home | MiK[3]Zz: if it works on Linux at all, it can be made to work on Debian. |
| 16:07.03 | MiK[3]Zz | jelly-home: thank you, i am going to buy thinkpad t60p and wonder if hw is supported, because vista really sucks :) |
| 16:07.06 | bokey | abrotman, jelly-home g'day |
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| 16:08.05 | bokey | MiK[3]Zz, vista sucks. are you joking ? |
| 16:08.29 | wols_ | MiK[3]Zz: find out what chip it uses (most probably an intel one) and see if linux supports that |
| 16:08.37 | xand | bokey: you think vista doesn't suck? |
| 16:08.49 | wols_ | all except santa rosa are supported. dunno about that one tho |
| 16:09.06 | MiK[3]Zz | bokey: thinkpads are sold w/ vista, so yes! vista sucks |
| 16:09.13 | bokey | xand, MiK[3]Zz :) |
| 16:09.18 | MiK[3]Zz | wols_: atheros imho |
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| 16:09.34 | wols_ | atheros means madwifi |
| 16:09.36 | wols_ | !madwifi |
| 16:09.36 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 16:10.00 | wols_ | but I don't think it's an atheros. ar you sure? |
| 16:10.10 | MiK[3]Zz | wait a second |
| 16:10.21 | bokey | xand, why doesn't vista suck ? |
| 16:10.32 | Maximiliank | does anyone know much on the rt73 wireless chipset? |
| 16:10.38 | xand | bokey: I don't think it doesn't |
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| 16:10.53 | wols_ | for vista talk -> ##windows |
| 16:10.55 | jelly-home | MiK[3]Zz: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_11a/b/g/n_Wireless_LAN_Mini_Express_Adapter |
| 16:10.59 | MiK[3]Zz | Chipset: Atheros AR5008 |
| 16:11.06 | MiK[3]Zz | yes |
| 16:11.07 | bokey | wols_, hehe.. :) thanks. |
| 16:11.15 | bokey | jelly-home, why does vista suck ? |
| 16:11.28 | wols_ | MiK[3]Zz: k then. t60 uses intel3945 |
| 16:11.33 | MiK[3]Zz | because it's from MS |
| 16:11.34 | cast | vista sucks because its non-free :) |
| 16:11.40 | infester | :D |
| 16:11.49 | jelly-home | bokey: I have no opinion of Vista, sorry |
| 16:11.49 | bokey | any more reason vista suck ? |
| 16:11.56 | wols_ | MiK[3]Zz: so yes it supports it but it's not on a debian CD since madwifi is non DFSG compliant |
| 16:12.06 | wols_ | bokey: drop it |
| 16:12.07 | infester | Btw, whats this ## thing about? is it some kind of mode for channels? |
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| 16:12.23 | wols_ | all non official channels on freenode have it |
| 16:12.25 | MiK[3]Zz | wols_: that means i won't do netinstall? |
| 16:12.26 | asg | infester: unofficial / official channels |
| 16:12.30 | infester | ahh, thanks |
| 16:12.38 | wols_ | e.g. for it to be #windows, MS needs to give his ok and be channel owner |
| 16:12.50 | wols_ | same reason there is no #c but ##c |
| 16:12.53 | infester | so you guys have gotten the pleasure to have debian behind you on this one |
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| 16:13.04 | infester | i see, thanks |
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| 16:13.13 | wols_ | infester: sorta, yes :) |
| 16:13.24 | infester | such über pwnage :-) |
| 16:13.26 | wols_ | !tell bokey about guidelines |
| 16:13.31 | asg | infester: #debian was here long before freenode decided on that policy. Since debian's official irc site is on oftc.net, it should more probably be ##debian here. |
| 16:13.58 | wols_ | bokey: especially #5 |
| 16:14.06 | MiK[3]Zz | wols_: then another question is Intel WM3945AG on debian cd? |
| 16:14.20 | wols_ | asg: according to dondelelcaro there is no official debian channel |
| 16:14.23 | bokey | wols_, whatever |
| 16:14.36 | MiK[3]Zz | wols_: and don't you know if atheros(madwifi) will be on debian cd? |
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| 16:14.55 | wols_ | !ipw3945 |
| 16:14.55 | dpkg | somebody said ipw3945 was http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib and non-free sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 16:14.58 | wols_ | MiK[3]Zz: no |
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| 16:15.03 | asg | wols_: fsvo official I expect :) Doesn't matter either way |
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| 16:15.20 | eddie | how do i get mysql to allow remote connections? |
| 16:15.28 | wols_ | almost no wlan will work out of the box since they all are missing (non-free) fimrwares |
| 16:15.29 | MiK[3]Zz | wols_: but anyways i can do install with cable and then install madwifi drivers |
| 16:15.30 | eddie | it only allowing local connections |
| 16:15.34 | wols_ | stuff that debian can't distribute |
| 16:15.40 | david-work | eddie, GRANT |
| 16:15.40 | asg | eddie: the README in /usr/share/doc/mysql* tells you |
| 16:15.55 | eddie | david-work: i tried that. |
| 16:16.00 | MiK[3]Zz | wols_: of course, do you have some experciences with madwifi? does it work correct w/o faults? |
| 16:16.04 | wols_ | eddie: by letting mysql listen on port 3306 |
| 16:16.10 | wols_ | eddie: see what asg told you |
| 16:16.11 | david-work | 'user'@'%' |
| 16:16.17 | asg | heh, Eddie Grant |
| 16:16.28 | wols_ | david-work: you're on the wrong track here |
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| 16:16.43 | david-work | wols_, Sorry I am a newb I thought it was correct |
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| 16:16.53 | Bogus8 | I've got a curious problem.... just set up a friend's box and set up a second hard drive to mount in his /home and set it up in fstab... works beautiful (mounts as that user)... come home and do the same thing and it mounts as root... I created the dir as user I set up fstab identically... so what gives? |
| 16:16.56 | eddie | GRANT *@*? |
| 16:17.01 | wols_ | david-work: you just misunderstood the question :) |
| 16:17.09 | eddie | 'root'@'%' |
| 16:17.10 | eddie | ? |
| 16:17.12 | asg | david-work: eddie will still need to grant remote privs but first, he needs to get the server to listen on 3306 (Debian's server doesn't by default) |
| 16:17.14 | wols_ | eddie: until your mysql listens on port 3306 no remote ocnnection |
| 16:17.20 | waspius | hi..does anyone know how do change my grub bootsplash and how to change my splash image when loading?under gnome |
| 16:17.21 | eddie | well it is. |
| 16:17.24 | valdyn | Bogus8: chown? |
| 16:17.25 | david-work | o |
| 16:17.28 | Bogus8 | fstab is set up type:ext3 and options:defaults |
| 16:17.29 | david-work | ok cool thanks :D |
| 16:17.50 | wols_ | !bootsplash |
| 16:17.50 | dpkg | it has been said that bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 16:18.06 | valdyn | Bogus8: the permissions on the dir are irrelevant |
| 16:18.07 | Bogus8 | valdyn: it's a freshly created filesystem on a new hd... do I need to chown it? |
| 16:18.09 | eddie | ?ERROR: database: mysql_error: Can't connect to MySQL server on '208.68.233.231' (111) |
| 16:18.12 | eddie | Fatal Error, Quitting. |
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| 16:18.30 | valdyn | Bogus8: its owned by root if its fresh |
| 16:18.56 | Bogus8 | valdyn: Ah, I never realized that... hmm, wonder how I never really ran across this before.. or maybe I'm just having a brain fart |
| 16:19.01 | wols_ | eddie: how do you know it listens on the port? |
| 16:19.09 | asg | eddie: telnet 208.68.233.231 3306 (do you get the mysql version string and a bit of garbage?) |
| 16:19.53 | eddie | yes |
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| 16:20.07 | eddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.11 | eddie | Fatal Error, Quittin |
| 16:20.21 | eddie | that is error sorry aboutt he pasting... |
| 16:20.21 | asg | eddie: then you'll need to grant access as david-work mentioned above. |
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| 16:20.29 | eddie | is there a readme? |
| 16:20.36 | eddie | too grant this? |
| 16:20.44 | eddie | sorry in irrsi :/ |
| 16:20.46 | david-work | eddie, it was told to you at first |
| 16:20.47 | wols_ | the mysql doc package, the mysql website,etc |
| 16:21.00 | david-work | <asg> eddie: the README in /usr/share/doc/mysql* tells you |
| 16:21.01 | _Rubyxx | Please don't flame me....but does anyone know what IRC channel Microsoft is on? |
| 16:21.07 | asg | _Rubyxx: ##windows |
| 16:21.10 | david-work | omg |
| 16:21.28 | _Rubyxx | asg: ty |
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| 16:21.35 | asg | eddie: the mysql documentation has extensive coverage of grant tables and access. You can either install the mysql-doc package or hit their website. |
| 16:21.51 | Nach | Is GAIM going to automatically turn into Pidgen in the repositories in the future? |
| 16:22.03 | eddie | update user set host='your-ip' where host='*' |
| 16:22.04 | eddie | ? |
| 16:22.22 | asg | Nach: in unstable and then likely testing. It won't change in stable until lenny is stable. |
| 16:22.22 | Bogus8 | valdyn: thanks man... didn't realize that sort of think but it totally make sense that the root of the filesystem needs to be chowned |
| 16:22.27 | wols_ | Nach: probably a transitional package |
| 16:22.35 | Nach | asg: any idea when? |
| 16:22.35 | wols_ | where when you install gaim it will install pidgin |
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| 16:22.51 | wols_ | there are no fixed releasedates |
| 16:23.00 | asg | Nach: When it will be in unstable or when lenny will be stable? |
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| 16:23.14 | Nach | asg: I'm wondering when unstable will do it |
| 16:23.21 | asg | Nach: it's already in apparently |
| 16:23.25 | asg | !info pidgin sid |
| 16:23.26 | EmilianoVazquez | [Leaving] Reason:[auto away after 30 minutes of inactivity] ·• P o l a r i s · O n e •· |
| 16:23.28 | dpkg | pidgin: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2508 kB, Installed size: 6828 kB |
| 16:23.36 | Nach | since I hear about the Firefox -> Ice Weasel thing and it happend like two weeks later |
| 16:23.41 | asg | EmilianoVazquez: turn that off please |
| 16:23.43 | wols_ | EmilianoVazquez: stop that please. away scripts are not wanted there |
| 16:23.49 | Nach | while I hear about Pidgin a month ago, and still not |
| 16:23.51 | wols_ | -t |
| 16:24.10 | eddie | grant <privilege_type> on <databasename>.* to '<user>'@'%' identified by '<password>'; |
| 16:24.18 | xand | !tell EmilianoVazquez about away |
| 16:24.22 | eddie | what is privilege_type may i ask? |
| 16:24.27 | Nach | asg: and no, GAIM -> Pidgin is not yet in |
| 16:24.55 | asg | Nach: pidgin is in unstable. http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=pidgin (for reasons why it isn't in testing) |
| 16:25.15 | Nach | asg: yes, I'm aware that it has been in unstable for a while |
| 16:25.24 | Nach | but GAIM -> Pidgin is not in unstable |
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| 16:25.32 | asg | who cares, install one or the other |
| 16:25.49 | Nach | because I want a proper upgrade path? |
| 16:26.01 | asg | Nach: you are using sid, there is no proper upgrade path |
| 16:26.16 | eddie | grant all on * to '<user>'@'%' identified by '<password>'; |
| 16:26.20 | Nach | I had it go from Firefox -> Ice Weasel several months back without a problem |
| 16:26.21 | asg | Nach: there will be one eventually if it is deemed necessary |
| 16:26.22 | eddie | should do the trick correcT? |
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| 16:26.43 | asg | eddie: don't forget to 'flush privileges' afterwards |
| 16:26.57 | asg | eddie: I'd recommend tightening those privileges if possible though |
| 16:27.01 | wols_ | asg: sooner or later "they" have to stop distributing gaim |
| 16:27.09 | eddie | asg okie thanks! |
| 16:27.12 | wols_ | they should actually have already done so due to trademarks |
| 16:27.21 | asg | wols_: yep |
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| 16:29.07 | Nach | asg: so are you saying that there is a planned upgrade path, or that you don't know if there will be one? |
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| 16:29.25 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 16:29.38 | H2OyJaBoN | how to convert vhs to cd or dvd? |
| 16:29.55 | cast | very slowly |
| 16:30.01 | asg | Nach: based on what wols_ said, there will have to be one. You could check the debian-devel list archives to see what is being planned. |
| 16:30.05 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: do you have your VCR connected to your PC? |
| 16:30.15 | Nach | asg: okay, thank you |
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| 16:30.40 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, no yet, but i have a video capture car working |
| 16:30.45 | H2OyJaBoN | *card |
| 16:31.08 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: MEncoder or VLC I think can work with certain capture cards I think |
| 16:32.16 | Nach | although I don't know if either of those apps is in official repositories |
| 16:32.17 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, ahh okey i have Mencoder from marillat |
| 16:32.17 | Nach | you can get them from debian-multimedia.org though |
| 16:32.17 | H2OyJaBoN | =) |
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| 16:32.42 | ma3x | how do I execute all files in a directory |
| 16:32.43 | Nach | K3b also has some video to VCD/DVD stuff if you want |
| 16:32.53 | ma3x | for example if I go to /bin how do I execute all commands? |
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| 16:34.00 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: although I personally recommend encoding with XviD or H.264 and just archiving on CDs/DVDs as AVI files |
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| 16:34.00 | eddie | apt-get install bzcat |
| 16:34.02 | eddie | apt-get install bzip2 |
| 16:34.04 | eddie | should work? |
| 16:34.14 | H2OyJaBoN | yes |
| 16:34.29 | asg | eddie: bzcat should be in bzip2 |
| 16:34.33 | H2OyJaBoN | try apt-cache search <packages> to search |
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| 16:34.50 | Nach | you can also specify multiple packages at a time |
| 16:34.59 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, ok i 've never used Xvid is in oficial repo? |
| 16:35.14 | Nach | and it's probably a good idea to install all the archive handlers |
| 16:35.28 | Nach | gzip/gunzip, zip/unzip, bzip2, p7zip-full |
| 16:35.38 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: use it with MEncoder |
| 16:35.40 | cast | Nach: don't forget theora :> |
| 16:36.07 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, ahh ok Xvid is a codec ? |
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| 16:37.16 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: example: mencoder -oac copy -ovc xvid -xvidencopts fixed_quant=4 -o output_file.avi input_file |
| 16:37.48 | Nach | of course read the MEncoder manual to get a full idea of what you can do with it |
| 16:37.55 | Nach | and for best results, you'll want to use XviD in two pass mode |
| 16:38.03 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, okey thanks! |
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| 16:38.44 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach other question when i put subtitles into .mpeg with spumux y dont see the subtitles when i play the movie any idea? |
| 16:39.45 | bokey | has anyone tried any curses feed reader ? |
| 16:39.46 | cast | snownews |
| 16:39.49 | cast | if you add the word rss to your sentence, anyway :> |
| 16:39.54 | bokey | hrm.. i was thinking of newsbeuter what do you think cast ? |
| 16:40.35 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: I don't know anything about putting subtitles into MPEG files |
| 16:40.35 | Nach | I generally keep the subtitles in seperate files |
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| 16:40.36 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, ok, i want to do that for create a DVD from .avi file |
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| 16:41.22 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: if you want to create a DVD from the AVI (which I don't recommend), K3b has some nice options for it, I heard it's pretty good stuff |
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| 16:42.39 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, ohoh i don't know about that option into k3b .... can you tell me why not recommend that proccess? |
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| 16:43.07 | Nach | H2OyJaBoN: I don't recommend DVDs |
| 16:43.24 | Nach | The format promotes region lock out, and inferior video encoding |
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| 16:43.35 | Nach | I save videos on DVDs as AVI files |
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| 16:45.28 | H2OyJaBoN | Nach, okey! have you put subtitles into dvd? |
| 16:45.34 | Nach | no |
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| 16:45.43 | Nach | but I've wanted plenty of AVIs with subtitles |
| 16:45.46 | Nach | er |
| 16:45.49 | Nach | watched plenty* |
| 16:46.03 | Nach | when I rip DVDs, I always grab the subtitles |
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| 16:46.21 | Nach | Some movies have hillarious subtitles |
| 16:46.41 | tvynr | Nach: Any particular reason that you don' |
| 16:46.52 | tvynr | Nach: don't store them as MKVs? |
| 16:47.17 | Nach | in the Independance Day opening, you see a plaque which says something about "We came in peace" and the subtitles says: "For those that can't read it, it says: We came in peace" |
| 16:47.17 | H2OyJaBoN | ahh ok ! i want put subtitles into dvd and idont know that =S |
| 16:47.37 | Nach | tvynr: because MEncoder doesn't do it |
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| 16:49.29 | gpm | i just use dvdrip from marillat's repo |
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| 16:49.47 | tvynr | Nach: That's a pity. All sorts of good reasons to store as MKV. The ability to turn the subtitles off comes to mind. |
| 16:49.51 | tvynr | Nach: :) |
| 16:49.57 | gpm | only on legal titles of course |
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| 16:50.25 | PaSurf | where is the best place (best practice) for applications like Apache2 and web applications like phpmyadmin or vcalendar? |
| 16:50.27 | H2OyJaBoN | gpm, have u already put subtitles into dvd? |
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| 16:51.11 | cast | PaSurf: i dunno, in a virtual machine? |
| 16:51.18 | Nach | tvynr: I can turn the subtitles off just fine |
| 16:51.26 | tvynr | Nach: In an AVI...? |
| 16:51.34 | Nach | of course |
| 16:51.41 | Nach | since the subtitles aren't embedded in the movie |
| 16:51.55 | tvynr | Nach: AVI has one video track and one audio track. Or do you store the subtitles in a separate file? |
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| 16:52.14 | gpm | H2OyJaBoN: no, i've never put subtitles into a dvd |
| 16:52.23 | Nach | -rw-r--r-- 1 nach nach 928115988 May 9 05:57 getty1.avi -rw-r--r-- 1 nach nach 71961 May 8 22:59 getty1.idx -rw-r--r-- 1 nach nach 5036032 May 8 22:59 getty1.sub |
| 16:52.24 | gpm | i've ripped subtitles from a dvd |
| 16:52.40 | H2OyJaBoN | gpm, how? |
| 16:52.45 | gpm | with dvdrip |
| 16:53.00 | PaSurf | no, just on a Debian Etch install. Not sure if programs like Apache and other web applications are best in a folder like /usr/local or /usr/local/bin |
| 16:53.31 | gpm | PaSurf: really you should just use the debian package |
| 16:53.33 | Nach | tvynr: I get those when I rip with MEncoder using -sid 0 -vobsubout /home/nach/rip/getty2 |
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| 16:53.41 | gpm | which installs stuff into /usr/bin i think |
| 16:53.46 | gpm | generally |
| 16:53.47 | Nach | MPlayer can turn them on and off using the S key |
| 16:53.57 | PaSurf | I am using programs like phptimeclock or openfire.... |
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| 16:53.59 | Nach | you can also specify which files to pull subtitles from, and offset their time delay too |
| 16:54.13 | tvynr | Nach: Aaah. I really don't like external sub files, but that's my thing. Seems like we have our own systems. |
| 16:54.28 | biz | hi, which filesize in bytes will fit on a 700M CD-R with and without overburning? |
| 16:54.30 | Nach | tvynr: I don't see what's wrong if it's external |
| 16:54.50 | Nach | I'd prefer if the audio was seperate too |
| 16:54.57 | gpm | PaSurf: then i guess wherever you want. /usr/local is a good place to put locally compiled stuff |
| 16:55.03 | PaSurf | gpm: most of the programs (so far) come in tar.gz |
| 16:55.04 | Nach | technically I could make the audio seperate, but it's a hastle |
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| 16:55.14 | gpm | it doesn't really matter |
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| 16:55.28 | gpm | as long as you can keep track in case you need to tell one program where another is |
| 16:55.36 | gpm | so i guess it's good to be consistent |
| 16:55.46 | PaSurf | I think my Apache2 went into /var which I understand is for files that change as the system is running... |
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| 16:56.09 | gpm | PaSurf: if you install the debian package, it puts the document root at /var/www |
| 16:56.18 | PaSurf | but I guess your right, I can keep track of everything currently running in that directory so... |
| 16:56.24 | PaSurf | Ya, thats where apache2 went |
| 16:56.29 | SamuraiDio | do some1 know of a song cenverter? i need to convert wma songs to mp3, and keep it all on 128kbps |
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| 16:56.44 | PaSurf | I just put the rest of the web applications in the same dirctory.. |
| 16:56.52 | gpm | oh |
| 16:56.52 | gpm | yeah |
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| 16:56.59 | gpm | sorry, i'm not familiar with those programs |
| 16:57.10 | gpm | yeah, if they're web apps, put 'em in /var/www |
| 16:57.19 | gpm | otherwise you'll have to alias them in your httpd.conf |
| 16:57.30 | PaSurf | ok |
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| 16:57.43 | PaSurf | thanks |
| 16:57.48 | tvynr | Nach: I dunno. Just seems sloppy to me. :) But again, 's my thing. |
| 16:57.55 | gyuszk | Hi guys, -ck patchset for 2.6.20 works with 2.6.20.6? |
| 16:58.11 | tvynr | Nach: Also, AVI is a bit bloated overhead-wise. Every time I've merged an AVI into an MKV, the file size was reduced by 1% simply due to the lesser overhead. |
| 16:58.24 | Nach | tvynr: I know |
| 16:58.30 | Nach | I also know that there is no real AVI standard |
| 16:58.37 | Nach | <-- writes AVI utils |
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| 16:59.14 | afaict | Hi folks! I would like to know. How can I help in debian team ? |
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| 16:59.29 | gpm | afaict: give them money |
| 16:59.36 | gpm | afaict: package a program |
| 16:59.41 | gpm | afaict: write documentation |
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| 16:59.58 | afaict | gpm: uhmm, but is there a queue of jobs that need to be done ? |
| 17:00.16 | gpm | afaict: there's a list of packages that need to be packaged for debian |
| 17:00.22 | azeem | afaict: yes, the bugs needs to be fixed |
| 17:00.23 | gpm | bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
| 17:00.38 | asg | afaict: and check debian.org/devel |
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| 17:00.45 | azeem | gpm: they're not "needed", they're just requested by somebody |
| 17:00.51 | gpm | right |
| 17:00.54 | gpm | bad word choice |
| 17:01.00 | gpm | not just bad, wrong |
| 17:02.08 | afaict | gpm asg azeem ok! i will check |
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| 17:05.50 | J_P | hi all |
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| 17:08.08 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i disable updatedb to run every day |
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| 17:09.36 | asg | evilbulgarian: edit /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 17:09.49 | evilbulgarian | asg: thanks |
| 17:09.55 | gpm | and restart cron |
| 17:10.03 | gpm | right? |
| 17:10.11 | asg | gpm: no, cron will pick up the change by default |
| 17:10.13 | gpm | oh |
| 17:10.15 | gpm | good to know |
| 17:10.20 | H2OyJaBoN | see u soon guys! |
| 17:10.25 | hyper__ch | hiho, someone was very kind to my server and installed shv5-rootkit --> how can I find out where the security problem was that gave him access? |
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| 17:11.46 | asg | hyper__ch: that's not something that can be explained easily on irc. Google for post intrusion forensics |
| 17:12.07 | asg | hyper__ch: you might start with The Coroner's Toolkit website and go from there. |
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| 17:12.46 | hyper__ch | asg: well, I just thought before I wipe the server I try to find out :) thx for the advice |
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| 17:13.22 | asg | hyper__ch: before you wipe it, save a ro copy of the entire drive somewhere for later. However, setting up the system without knowing how the intrusion occurred will likely result in the same outcome. |
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| 17:14.08 | hyper__ch | asg: well, I played a lot around with the server ;) |
| 17:14.42 | asg | hyper__ch: I'd start by reading the debian security guide (the harden-doc package) |
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| 17:15.19 | Anthro | How can I get the exact time a currently running process was started? |
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| 17:15.39 | hyper__ch | asg: well, in the almost three years that I have the server this is only the second incident... the first one was due to a friend of mine who installed postnuke and a security enabled it to abuse the mailserver |
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| 17:16.00 | scrip | I'm trying to set up ssl with apache2, but I can't find the apache2-ssl-certificate script to generate my ssl certificate |
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| 17:16.16 | scrip | I have apache2 installed, is there some other package I need to get this? |
| 17:16.33 | asg | scrip: ssl is bundled with apache2 now. Check the docs in /usr/share/doc/apache2* |
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| 17:16.41 | en1gma | http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/2439 <<<i used to go here with windows and i could watch the shows in fullscreen....why cant i do this in debian as it still uses flash |
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| 17:17.16 | cr3 | why do some shell scripts use if [[, ie double brackets? what's the difference with just using one bracket? |
| 17:17.21 | scrip | asg: I've done this before, I'm working from a tutorial now, I just can't find this one script |
| 17:17.47 | scrip | I have apach2 installed, is the script called something else now? I'm running debian 3.1 |
| 17:18.41 | cr3 | nevermind, [[ is a bash syntax for extended test commands |
| 17:18.50 | cydork | cr3: that is the new expression check help [[ |
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| 17:19.37 | xjkx | Hello, rapidshare's free account and some other file downloaders have limits, like you can't download two files at once and so on, and I am NOT looking for something to break it. I'd like a download manager that gets some of them and let them READY to download, like when i'm done with the first, it starts the second, when i'm done with the second it starts the 3rd, with no interation of me. Does debian has such software? |
| 17:19.42 | asg | scrip: it's in /usr/sbin if you have apache2-common installed |
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| 17:20.09 | scrip | asg: haha! no its not! its broken! |
| 17:20.14 | scrip | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/apache2/+bug/77675 |
| 17:20.31 | asg | scrip: that's ubuntu's bts, you said you were running sarge |
| 17:20.48 | scrip | it says it applies to debian as well, though its unconfirmed |
| 17:20.58 | asg | scrip: it doesn't apply to debian sarge (3.1) |
| 17:21.00 | scrip | and that script is not in /usr/sbin |
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| 17:21.10 | asg | scrip: it is on debian 3.1 which you said you were using. |
| 17:21.35 | asg | scrip: $ ls -l /usr/sbin/apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 17:21.35 | asg | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 910 Jul 28 2006 /usr/sbin/apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 17:22.04 | gpm | man, that file hasn't been touched in a while |
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| 17:22.31 | scrip | ok, apt says that it can't install apache2-common, but that apache2-utils replaces it, and thats installed |
| 17:22.40 | asg | gpm: because it's sarge, oldstable. Things don't get touched unless there is a vulnerability. |
| 17:22.48 | scrip | is that the problem? does apache2-utils not replace common? |
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| 17:23.29 | gpm | asg: oh yeah, that's not an accessed date, is it |
| 17:24.05 | ctp | hi folks. intel core2 quadcore, is it a i386 or ia64 architecture? i need this for choosing the install cd. |
| 17:24.42 | asg | scrip: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08257.html |
| 17:24.44 | cusco | ctp: either i386 or amd64 |
| 17:24.48 | cusco | it does both |
| 17:24.54 | Gathond | ctp: its wither i386 or AMD64 |
| 17:25.00 | Gathond | ctp: its not ia64 though |
| 17:25.24 | ctp | same with core2 dualcore? |
| 17:25.27 | scrip | ok, apache2-common is not in my repositories, I'm only using the oregonstate mirrors, is the mirror just broken? |
| 17:25.27 | scrip | I just updated apt |
| 17:25.30 | cusco | ctp: yes |
| 17:25.48 | asg | scrip: first of all, what debian version are you using. You aren't using 3.1 |
| 17:25.58 | ctp | cusco: does it make a difference which one i take? i386 or amd64? |
| 17:26.03 | Gathond | ctp: its a core2, thing, adding more cores does not change the abilities of them at all |
| 17:26.04 | cusco | yes |
| 17:26.06 | cusco | ctp: it does |
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| 17:26.15 | gpm | what's the diff? |
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| 17:26.51 | scrip | asg: how can I tell? I thought I installed from a 3.1 disk |
| 17:27.03 | ctp | so which one to take? i install them for a cluster. |
| 17:27.17 | scrip | I'm using the stable main repositores in my sources.list file |
| 17:27.23 | asg | scrip: cat /etc/debian_version (and also paste dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1) |
| 17:27.25 | cusco | 64bit will have software compiled to amd64, it might runn faster but also has more broken software |
| 17:27.36 | asg | scrip: well, stable is now etch (version 4.0), not 3.1 |
| 17:27.37 | cusco | ctp: im not the person to ask... sorry |
| 17:27.49 | psykidellic | hi..kind of newbie question....I installed postfix using apt-get postfix....it installed startup and ending scripts in rc1.d, rc3.d, rc3.d, rc4 rc5...i was reading docs about rc.d and init.d...shouldnt only rc3.d and rc56.d suffice? whats the difference between S20postfix in rc3.d and K20postfix in rc6.d???? |
| 17:27.57 | scrip | scrip: ok, can I upgrade safely through apt? |
| 17:28.00 | cusco | scrip: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:28.17 | psykidellic | the same goes for mysql..the reason i ask is because i am trying to write a similar script for my app...so was checking out available scripts |
| 17:28.20 | simonrvn | psykidellic: keep reading ;). runlevel 6 is reboot |
| 17:28.28 | asg | scrip: I'd recommend looking at the upgrade guide from sarge -> etch (www.debian.org) |
| 17:28.33 | ctp | cusco, hm, the i386 only installs 32bit software? |
| 17:28.46 | cusco | ctp: thats it |
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| 17:29.06 | asg | scrip: and once you finally have a complete non-broken debian 4.0, install the ssl-cert package to get the functionality of the old apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 17:29.10 | cusco | psykidellic: all the rc's are the same under debian |
| 17:29.27 | psykidellic | cusco, yup..they all simlink to the same script in init.d |
| 17:29.27 | scrip | asg: ok, I think I can figure out the upgrade, thanks |
| 17:29.37 | ctp | cusco, hmhm ... |
| 17:29.40 | simonrvn | psykidellic: of course |
| 17:29.50 | scrip | asg: feel kind of dumb for not figuring out it was just the wrong version |
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| 17:30.08 | simonrvn | psykidellic: and it's 'symlink', FYI |
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| 17:30.37 | asg | scrip: they really should use the code name instead of stable on new installs since the upgrade path is sometimes not trivial. |
| 17:30.43 | jeward | If I had a working etch directory before etch became stable, do I have to change anything to make it continue working after etch became stable? |
| 17:30.57 | jeward | I ask because we have some missing packages since the change. |
| 17:31.01 | asg | jeward: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:31.02 | psykidellic | simonrvn, yeah..my bad with the typo :) |
| 17:31.12 | asg | jeward: you might do a dist-upgrade just to be sure |
| 17:31.13 | Maximilian | wait.. this is working? |
| 17:31.14 | jeward | asg: My repository is missing packages. |
| 17:31.24 | jeward | asg: Not the clients. |
| 17:31.35 | Maximilian | finally! wireless! |
| 17:31.40 | asg | jeward: ? |
| 17:31.41 | jeward | asg: Or is that my problem? |
| 17:32.04 | jeward | asg: http://debian.prime.chinoc.net/pool/main/p/pciutils/pciutils_2.2.4~pre4-1_i386.deb |
| 17:32.07 | jeward | 404 Not Found |
| 17:32.17 | jeward | asg: Does that help? |
| 17:32.32 | gpm | it could be the mirror |
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| 17:32.42 | asg | jeward: that looks like the mirror, that's the correct package. |
| 17:32.43 | tommyq | Hello! |
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| 17:33.03 | jeward | asg: Do I need to change something in my mirroring software to fix my mirror? |
| 17:33.11 | jeward | asg: It's our mirror. |
| 17:33.19 | psykidellic | simonrvn, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/runlevels.htm - it says 3-5 is same as 2 but then i find a link in rc3, rc5, rc2 too??? but differently named S20postfix and K20postfix....i didnt understand that part... |
| 17:33.24 | gpm | oh, you're trying to set up a mirror? |
| 17:34.48 | simonrvn | psykidellic: yes |
| 17:34.48 | jeward | gpm: We've had the mirror for over a year, but packages seem to be missing from the etch portion since etch became stable. |
| 17:34.48 | simonrvn | psykidellic: that's normal |
| 17:34.48 | ctp | are there known problems running amd64 on x86_64 architecture? |
| 17:34.48 | gpm | i've never run a mirror before :( |
| 17:34.54 | Gathond | ctp: mostly with closed source stuff not being available |
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| 17:35.43 | Gathond | ctp: but you can use those with a 32 bit chroot so its not that big of a deal |
| 17:35.56 | ctp | ok |
| 17:36.09 | gpm | get the multi-arch dvd! |
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| 17:36.16 | simonrvn | psykidellic: debian leaves the different runlevels, 2-5, up to the admin. in other OSes the distribution or distributor sets all, or some of them up |
| 17:36.18 | psykidellic | simonrvn, its the same witn mysql too....S21mysql etc. so lets say my app is called xxxx .... should i just create XXXX in all rc.d? |
| 17:36.32 | gpm | ctp: that was for you, get the multi-arch dvd |
| 17:36.34 | simonrvn | psykidellic: man runlevel |
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| 17:36.36 | sohmestra | jeward: is the Packages file getting cached somewhere? In that case, you could have packages that don't match your package list. |
| 17:36.45 | psykidellic | simonrvn, okie...hold on :) |
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| 17:36.56 | tommyq | I have to problems: The first is problem with xserver-xorg - when I try restart my xserver (Alt+Ctrl+Bckspc) it hang up. If I tried start new session monitor goes back. I use fglrx drivers [Debian Lenny] |
| 17:36.57 | ctp | gpm, ok. thx |
| 17:37.21 | tommyq | *I have problems |
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| 17:37.32 | gpm | ctp: it's cool too because you can install it on ppc's as well i think. the three most common desktop architectures |
| 17:37.45 | jeward | I'm using apt-mirror. |
| 17:38.19 | sohmestra | jeward: sorry, I was thinking proxy, not mirror. |
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| 17:39.06 | jeward | sohmestra: You know anything about mirroring? |
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| 17:41.12 | sohmestra | jeward: we use apt-proxy here. It's not a full mirror - I've never done a full mirror. |
| 17:41.12 | jeward | Anyone know why my mirror would have broken since etch became stable? |
| 17:41.12 | gpm | that question is tricky |
| 17:41.13 | sohmestra | jeward: is a mirror of all architectures? |
| 17:41.13 | wols_ | jeward: ask your mirror? whatmirror do you use? |
| 17:41.13 | gpm | it looks like you're having trouble configuring apt |
| 17:41.13 | wols_ | ah. apt-mirror |
| 17:41.13 | jeward | We mirror sarge, etch and amd64., |
| 17:41.24 | jeward | (i386) |
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| 17:41.47 | jeward | sohmestra: So no, only two architectures. |
| 17:42.08 | sohmestra | jeward: are packages missing in both? Same ones? |
| 17:42.26 | jeward | sohmestra: Only in the etch portion it seems. |
| 17:42.26 | wols_ | jeward: /msg dpkg errors |
| 17:42.29 | tommyq | Could anybody help me with X.org hanging up after restart (Alt+Ctrl+Backspace)? |
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| 17:43.16 | chops | !tell tommyq about bts |
| 17:43.27 | anpu_010 | hello |
| 17:43.34 | anpu_010 | i have a question |
| 17:43.43 | asg | !tell anpu_010 about ask |
| 17:43.47 | anpu_010 | how do i use the package manager in debian |
| 17:43.51 | anpu_010 | for example |
| 17:44.01 | shay | anpu_010, man aptitude |
| 17:44.10 | anpu_010 | how do it get programs from a repository |
| 17:44.20 | shay | !tell anpu_010 about aptitude |
| 17:44.21 | sohmestra | jeward: are you missing packages which should be common for both architectures? |
| 17:44.22 | asg | anpu_010: please read the installation guide. It covers basic usage |
| 17:44.40 | jeward | sohmestra: I'm not sure, let me fo a search. One sec. |
| 17:44.49 | jeward | sohmestra: Is there an easy way to tell? |
| 17:44.51 | anpu_010 | yeah i tried aptitude |
| 17:44.54 | wols_ | !tell anpu_010 about grounding |
| 17:45.00 | anpu_010 | ok |
| 17:45.05 | cusco | anpu_010: apt-cache search some-name |
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| 17:45.09 | wols_ | !tell anpu_010 about sources.list |
| 17:45.13 | anpu_010 | i tried to look for amarok media player |
| 17:45.13 | cusco | anpu_010: apt-get install something |
| 17:45.15 | jeward | sohmestra: I can give you a list of some missing packages from etch, but I'm not sure if they should be on sarge or not. |
| 17:45.18 | anpu_010 | but i am not findin it |
| 17:45.25 | atperez | anpu_010: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include the repositories you want |
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| 17:46.40 | anpu_010 | oh |
| 17:46.40 | anpu_010 | ok |
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| 17:46.40 | anpu_010 | i will try it |
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| 17:46.41 | gpm | oh no |
| 17:47.00 | sohmestra | jeward: what host are you mirroring? have you determined that _it_ has the packages you are missing? |
| 17:47.21 | sohmestra | jeward: if you are mirroring a host with missing packages...then you would correctly be missing them as well. |
| 17:48.05 | asg | jeward: there will be packages in etch that aren't in sarge. If you were mirroring 'stable' before etch's release, that mirror will no longer reflect 'sarge' but 'etch'. |
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| 17:48.50 | jeward | sohmestra: I will check! |
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| 17:49.34 | jeward | asg: Looks like we're mirroring sarge and etch explicitly. |
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| 17:49.41 | asg | jeward: okay |
| 17:49.50 | SoulChild | Hey Guys,... |
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| 17:50.31 | SoulChild | Why is there still Gnome 2.14 instead of 2.18 in debian testing/unstable ??? |
| 17:50.55 | asg | SoulChild: because it hasn't been packaged yet. |
| 17:51.20 | J_P | are there on graphic with the most used/instaled debian arch ? |
| 17:51.30 | SoulChild | asg: i am not stupid, but why,... ubuntu already uses gnome 2.18 |
| 17:51.31 | asg | J_P: ENOPARSE |
| 17:51.42 | wols_ | J_P: i386. what else? |
| 17:51.42 | psykidellic | simonrvn, okie...i think i understood....i copied my script to init.d ... now which tool should i use to correctly configure it with rc.d??? i read that doing it manually might be dangerous if i dont know exactly what i am doing (which i dont as of now but learning :)) |
| 17:51.55 | wols_ | asg: I doubt he understands that |
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| 17:52.20 | wols_ | asg: and I don't really know where this one is defined. not in errors.h :P |
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| 17:52.37 | asg | wols_: yeah, I think he's been noparsed before though (it's defined in "my-errors.h" |
| 17:52.38 | Ace2016 | Hi al |
| 17:52.39 | Maximilian | !flash |
| 17:52.40 | dpkg | somebody said flash was http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:52.40 | asg | :) |
| 17:52.43 | Ace2016 | Hi all* |
| 17:52.47 | jeward | Okay, the packages needed are on the distribution we're mirroring, but not on our mirror. |
| 17:52.50 | abrotman | Maximilian: you could msg the bot also |
| 17:52.55 | Ace2016 | has anyone here made a live cd using debian live? |
| 17:53.06 | abrotman | Ace2016: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:53.21 | Ace2016 | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 17:54.14 | jeward | So, apt-mirror seems to be failing. |
| 17:54.20 | asg | SoulChild: it's probably because Debian supports many more arches than ubuntu. (http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.18-status.html) |
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| 17:54.32 | J_P | wols_: 386, arm, mips, aparc, etc ? |
| 17:54.33 | asg | SoulChild: it would probably take them months to compile it for the nslu2 anyway |
| 17:54.39 | J_P | asg: ENOPARSE ? |
| 17:55.03 | wols_ | J_P: I just told you |
| 17:55.07 | asg | J_P: 13:50 < J_P> are there on graphic with the most used/instaled debian arch ? (<---- no idea what you are saying here.) |
| 17:55.33 | Ace2016 | abrotman: its not working: Connection to Server irc.oftc.net failed: name lookup has failed. |
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| 17:55.40 | wols_ | asg: most installed arch. i386 of course |
| 17:56.00 | J_P | wols_: I would like a sequence... |
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| 17:56.05 | wols_ | Ace2016: works fine here. your DNS server is bad |
| 17:56.12 | Ace2016 | ;o |
| 17:56.13 | asg | wols_: you get the extreme cleverness award. Now, you can help timmeh and I write the yacc grammar for lolcode. |
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| 17:56.32 | chrisvarns | has anyone out there managed to get Quake4 running? or set up an ATI RADEON card with that fglrx module? im having serious trouble... |
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| 17:56.40 | Ace2016 | did i get the address wrong? irc.oftc.net:6667 |
| 17:56.51 | test_ | yo any idea why progress bar isnt working with debian default theme in bootsplash |
| 17:57.00 | simonrvn | that's correct, but you're on frenode ATM |
| 17:57.12 | simonrvn | free* |
| 17:57.26 | Ace2016 | i know but i'm trying to connect to it and its not working |
| 17:57.42 | simonrvn | /connect irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:58.12 | Ace2016 | [18:57] [481] This command is for network staff only |
| 17:58.28 | simonrvn | what client are you using? |
| 17:58.33 | Ace2016 | konversation |
| 17:58.42 | wols_ | simonrvn: not everyone uses irssi. but they will, in time :) |
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| 17:58.49 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 17:59.27 | J_P | I find : http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3535328630.html :-) |
| 17:59.28 | chrisvarns | anyone here successfully set up the FGLRX module? or got their radeon card working properly? |
| 18:01.56 | chops | Ace2016: Try "/server" instead |
| 18:01.56 | Ace2016 | it worked, i had to ping it and i got irc.geo.oftc.net and that worked as the server anme |
| 18:01.57 | Ace2016 | name* |
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| 18:03.52 | asg | J_P: remember, those are based on people voluntarily using popularity contest, so the numbers are not very accurate. |
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| 18:04.43 | simonrvn | asg: contrary to waht a certain regular would think ;) |
| 18:05.10 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 18:05.59 | asg | simonrvn: besides, you see ppc everywhere don't you? |
| 18:06.32 | simonrvn | on popcon? |
| 18:06.32 | simonrvn | or here? |
| 18:06.32 | asg | in general :) |
| 18:06.38 | simonrvn | i wish ;) |
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| 18:06.46 | simonrvn | gimme a g5 any day ;) |
| 18:07.02 | asg | I'll trade my slug for one |
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| 18:07.51 | wols_ | !tell chrisvarns about fglrx |
| 18:07.54 | simonrvn | i certainly need one here... i'm running on shoe laces, bubble gum, and a home dsl... |
| 18:08.04 | aadil | :D |
| 18:08.05 | aadil | enjoy |
| 18:08.15 | en1gma | You can make this change permanent for yourself by appending the line |
| 18:08.15 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.15 | en1gma | to the file '.profile' in your home directory; then log out and log in again. |
| 18:08.15 | asg | tasty |
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| 18:08.23 | aadil | ex's g5* |
| 18:08.23 | en1gma | i dont see the .profile |
| 18:08.26 | aadil | :D |
| 18:08.36 | en1gma | i have view hidden files checked on |
| 18:08.40 | asg | en1gma: create one |
| 18:08.43 | wols_ | en1gma: ls -al |
| 18:08.49 | en1gma | its not there |
| 18:08.52 | wols_ | or that |
| 18:08.54 | asg | en1gma: or stick it in .bash_profile or whatever your shell's analog of .profile is |
| 18:08.56 | wols_ | and there is always /etc/protocols |
| 18:08.56 | simonrvn | woke up this morning having to deal with a load average of 35 ... |
| 18:09.00 | wols_ | erm, /etc/profile |
| 18:09.04 | simonrvn | not a good way to wake up |
| 18:09.10 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 18:09.13 | chrisvarns | wols_: so if i downgrade to xorg 7.1 it will work? |
| 18:09.15 | wols_ | simonrvn: why? it didn't crash, did it? :) |
| 18:09.21 | asg | simonrvn: what, with aadil's ex's g5 string? |
| 18:09.24 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 18:09.24 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 18:09.43 | wols_ | chrisvarns: you cannot downgrade. and no fglrx in sid is broken. ask ati to fix it, not us |
| 18:09.48 | aadil | :D |
| 18:09.49 | simonrvn | wols_, asg: a too slow scsi card slowing shit down |
| 18:10.01 | simonrvn | my fast ultra2 scsi card is wonky |
| 18:10.21 | asg | simonrvn: ah. like the smbfs module in etch's 2.6.18 kernel with certain NetAPP CIFS shares |
| 18:10.25 | simonrvn | so i have to stick it into this box, to see wtf is going on with it |
| 18:10.26 | chrisvarns | wols_: ive no idea what that means :P fglrx in sid? |
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| 18:10.36 | chrisvarns | im new to linux |
| 18:10.39 | en1gma | why would it have seperate TZ for each user as that dont make sence |
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| 18:10.49 | en1gma | the computer = in 1 spot no matter how many users |
| 18:10.53 | asg | en1gma: some people may be logging in from multiple places. |
| 18:10.58 | wols_ | chrisvarns: what debian are you running? only sid has Xorg 7.2 so far which breaks fglrx |
| 18:10.59 | en1gma | ahhh ok |
| 18:11.13 | simonrvn | the box is still slow (old beige g3), but at least it can keep up some |
| 18:11.15 | en1gma | sid uses 7.3 |
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| 18:11.25 | simonrvn | with the ultra2 in it |
| 18:11.26 | chrisvarns | im running lenny |
| 18:11.38 | abrotman | asg: don'tyou have work to do?! |
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| 18:11.47 | wols_ | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 18:11.48 | asg | abrotman: no, I'm on vacation |
| 18:11.51 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 427 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB |
| 18:11.52 | abrotman | wols_: 1.3 |
| 18:11.58 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
| 18:11.58 | wols_ | en1gma: it does what? |
| 18:12.02 | abrotman | they changed it again! |
| 18:12.12 | kingsley2 | Which applications display Microsoft's powerpoint presentations? |
| 18:12.12 | simonrvn | it was temporary |
| 18:12.19 | asg | kingsley2: ooimpress |
| 18:12.24 | en1gma | wols_ "it does what?" what |
| 18:12.25 | simonrvn | openoffice, ^^^ |
| 18:12.25 | abrotman | and some koffice thingie |
| 18:12.26 | wols_ | chrisvarns: ok, so it trickled down to testing. doesn't matter. it will stay broken until ati fixes their shit. good luck |
| 18:12.38 | wols_ | en1gma: sid does not have xorg 7.3 |
| 18:12.46 | en1gma | wait how do i get my info on it |
| 18:12.47 | jeward | So, if apt-mirror is broken, what mirroring software would you guys recommend? |
| 18:12.59 | asg | en1gma: you did something naughty with your sources.lst |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | wols_: you actually considered he might be right? :) |
| 18:13.02 | kingsley2 | apt-get |
| 18:13.09 | J_P | asg: are there numbers very accurate ? |
| 18:13.10 | chrisvarns | wols_: is there a version of xorg that works with the proprietary driver? 7.1 possibly? |
| 18:13.13 | kingsley2 | Oops, wrong window... |
| 18:13.20 | en1gma | im pretty sure i seen 1.7.3 somewhere |
| 18:13.25 | wols_ | abrotman: no. but I needed to show him proof so I could call him an idiot without so many words |
| 18:13.36 | abrotman | it was 1.3 |
| 18:13.45 | en1gma | yea 1.3 is what i have |
| 18:13.54 | en1gma | isnt that 7.3 |
| 18:13.57 | asg | J_P: there have been some attempts. I think tarzeau might know the most accurate ones, if I remember correctly. |
| 18:13.57 | abrotman | no |
| 18:14.03 | en1gma | oops sorry my bad |
| 18:14.07 | wols_ | en1gma: 1 is not 7. do you understand that? |
| 18:14.14 | en1gma | well i do now |
| 18:14.19 | abrotman | Current X.Org Foundation release |
| 18:14.19 | abrotman | X.Org has released X11R7.2 |
| 18:14.21 | en1gma | dont get nasty do you understand that |
| 18:14.22 | wols_ | !prize en1gma |
| 18:14.25 | gpm | !give en1gma a cookie |
| 18:14.30 | en1gma | :) |
| 18:14.32 | asg | mmmmmm, lemon |
| 18:14.45 | en1gma | !prize me |
| 18:14.46 | wols_ | chrisvarns: there is. it's in etch |
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| 18:14.57 | chrisvarns | ohh ok, so thats debian 4.0? |
| 18:15.01 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:15.10 | chrisvarns | is there a way to downgrade back to stable from testing? |
| 18:15.15 | gpm | no |
| 18:15.17 | chrisvarns | as im using lenny atm |
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| 18:15.19 | gpm | not an official way |
| 18:15.21 | wols_ | chrisvarns: I already told you that there is not |
| 18:15.23 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 18:15.23 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 18:15.29 | en1gma | i love those waves/ripples in beryl that shiat is sweet |
| 18:15.42 | chrisvarns | ah :( |
| 18:15.43 | J_P | tarzeau: Do you know about accurate numbers about sequence of the most-popular Debian arch ? |
| 18:15.49 | chrisvarns | would a straight reinstall do the job? |
| 18:15.54 | gpm | yes |
| 18:16.02 | abrotman | J_P: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 18:16.23 | tarzeau | J_P: what abrotman says |
| 18:16.25 | jeward | Is there a better mirroring software than apt-mirror? |
| 18:16.27 | wols_ | J_P: how would you measure such a thing (seriously)? |
| 18:16.45 | wols_ | J_P: answer: you cannot. it's impossible |
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| 18:17.24 | en1gma | oh i got a good question...how does this UBUNTU repo "deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy" have newer files then this debian one "deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb debian-unstable beryl-svn" note: im using the ubuntu one just fine |
| 18:17.29 | wykis | Hello, a guy is having this problem: "Teddy: well my list of dns look ups includes my router and two others... it uses the router first, which works, but it takes like 5 seconds to find the ip of a site... on ubuntu i could just delete the routers ip from dns and leave the other two and it would work fine, but debian puts the routers ip back every time i delete it from the list". Can anyone help? |
| 18:17.42 | abrotman | wols_: you at least get percentages of people that participate |
| 18:18.26 | wols_ | en1gma: ask the tuxfamily people who own the repo, not us |
| 18:18.31 | gpm | man, i wish i could take back that cookie |
| 18:18.47 | wols_ | gpm: you can always lart him |
| 18:18.53 | abrotman | induce vomiting |
| 18:18.55 | jakub_ | hello |
| 18:18.56 | wols_ | won't bring the cookie back but it's still satisfying |
| 18:19.10 | jakub_ | i need to delete *.m3u files recursively from my /data/mp3 |
| 18:19.12 | jakub_ | how please |
| 18:19.16 | wols_ | abrotman: would you even touch a cookie he's touched before? |
| 18:19.17 | abrotman | man rm |
| 18:19.21 | jakub_ | yes |
| 18:19.23 | gpm | recursively |
| 18:19.28 | jakub_ | but how |
| 18:19.30 | jakub_ | pls |
| 18:19.31 | abrotman | wols_: i don't like sweets .. so i wouldn't touch it either way :) |
| 18:19.38 | en1gma | well the source is still the source isnt it? and the people at ubuntu have made debs for their repos and the debian maintainers have not |
| 18:19.39 | abrotman | jakub_: man rm .. start reading |
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| 18:19.43 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.48 | gpm | find /dir -type f -name *.m3u -exec rm '{}' \; |
| 18:19.48 | gpm | ? |
| 18:19.50 | wols_ | abrotman:: preposterous! |
| 18:20.01 | abrotman | gpm: too complicated! |
| 18:20.19 | gpm | abrotman: oh you can rm -R *.m3u ? |
| 18:20.25 | J_P | abrotman: and tarzeau thanks |
| 18:20.25 | jakub_ | thx |
| 18:20.27 | gpm | time for me to read |
| 18:20.35 | asg | gpm: unless he has so many .m3u's that it blow the glob stack |
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| 18:20.45 | abrotman | asg: give the man a tissue! |
| 18:20.48 | gpm | sweet |
| 18:20.55 | en1gma | has anyone got vlc to work with debian sid (i get errors when i try to install it) |
| 18:21.03 | en1gma | been like this for like a week |
| 18:21.05 | abrotman | en1gma: bugs.debian.org/vlc |
| 18:21.15 | asg | abrotman: I use 3-ply paper towels myself |
| 18:21.19 | en1gma | ill just use xine i guess |
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| 18:21.25 | abrotman | en1gma: it's god damn sid .. stuff breaks .. you were warned multiple times .. you get to keep the pieces |
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| 18:21.42 | en1gma | dont be a JERK |
| 18:21.46 | en1gma | im just asking a Q |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | don't be a tard |
| 18:21.59 | abrotman | we told you not to use sid .. you ignored us .. |
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| 18:22.03 | en1gma | well what can we talk about if we cant talk about debian |
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| 18:22.11 | gpm | i don't think he's complaining, though he should just read the bts |
| 18:22.23 | TheArthur | how can i print a recursive list of the dependencies of a package? |
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| 18:22.34 | en1gma | im not complaining gpm is right...just checking its status kind of |
| 18:22.43 | gpm | en1gma: i think what abrotman is saying is we don't want to talk about broken things in sid in this channel. if it's broken, check the bts, if there's no bug, report one |
| 18:22.47 | gpm | don't talk on irc about it |
| 18:22.50 | gpm | that's pointless |
| 18:22.58 | wols_ | TheArthur: apt-rdepends |
| 18:23.06 | chops | en1gma: Checking the BTS is a lot better than coming in and getting upset that things are broken. sid has bugs. |
| 18:23.11 | en1gma | well sometimes some people say there is a workaround |
| 18:23.13 | en1gma | a temp fix |
| 18:23.16 | abrotman | so use it |
| 18:23.25 | gpm | not in here |
| 18:23.30 | chops | en1gma: You'll find out much better information about workaround from the BTS than from IRC |
| 18:23.31 | en1gma | chops im not upset (those are your words not mine) |
| 18:23.33 | simonrvn | lemme guess, you folks are talking to someone i have on /ig |
| 18:23.40 | en1gma | what is the BTS? |
| 18:23.42 | mihk | if I installed g++-4.1 and gcc-4.1 do I need g++ and gcc to install too ? I got error for 'std::list<T>::iterator itb= m_list.begin()' says missing ; before itb |
| 18:23.46 | gpm | !tell en1gma about bts |
| 18:23.47 | chops | !tell en1gma about bts |
| 18:23.50 | asg | !btssmite en1gma |
| 18:23.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: <en1gma> what is the BTS? .. what do you think ? |
| 18:23.55 | wols_ | simonrvn: the world war 2 cypher machine without a clue |
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| 18:24.02 | gpm | oh yeah, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 18:24.05 | gpm | required if you're using sid |
| 18:24.07 | en1gma | thanks |
| 18:24.08 | gpm | seriously |
| 18:24.09 | simonrvn | abrotman: ick |
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| 18:24.14 | en1gma | will check there first then |
| 18:24.14 | simonrvn | wols_: hehe |
| 18:24.42 | abrotman | novel idea .. really |
| 18:24.53 | en1gma | ok: what app is good for a media player that has alot of codecs |
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| 18:24.56 | wols_ | mihk: you have all you need when you insall g++-4.1 |
| 18:24.58 | en1gma | wmv if possible |
| 18:24.58 | TheArthur | wols_, thanks |
| 18:25.06 | gpm | mplayer |
| 18:25.07 | abrotman | vlc is a great player! |
| 18:25.09 | simonrvn | of course telling him all this stuff is pointless... he's just going to ignore you like i am him, and do what he wants anyway. |
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| 18:25.12 | gpm | but you should use apt-cache search |
| 18:25.18 | en1gma | what |
| 18:25.22 | mihk | I thought so, still got stupid error. |
| 18:25.23 | wols_ | abrotman: evil. pure evil :P |
| 18:25.39 | en1gma | man there are some really mean people on this channel (go release already would you) |
| 18:25.46 | simonrvn | then he'll bitch about "linux doesn't work" when it's his fault |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:25.52 | wols_ | mihk: two choices: bug in g++ or more likely, bug in your source. ask ##c++ |
| 18:26.00 | en1gma | yes vlc is my fault isnt it |
| 18:26.01 | en1gma | lol |
| 18:26.05 | chops | en1gma: You're pissing people off; that's why they're being mean. It's not happening in a vacuum. |
| 18:26.09 | gpm | en1gma: try mplayer...or apt-cache search video and try some stuff out |
| 18:26.11 | mihk | ok thanks. |
| 18:26.21 | en1gma | im pissing people off by asking what is a good media player besides vlc? |
| 18:26.25 | gpm | yes |
| 18:26.27 | en1gma | how does that piss people off |
| 18:26.32 | gpm | becaus eyou should just search and try things out |
| 18:26.46 | en1gma | i was specific when i said that has alot of codecs |
| 18:26.46 | hyper_ch | there is a good one besides vlc? |
| 18:26.50 | wols_ | en1gma: you are pssing people off by your behaviour the last few days/weeks. |
| 18:27.01 | en1gma | what the hell are you talking about |
| 18:27.08 | wols_ | bluntly: aboit 90%+ of people reading what you wrote over that time thing you're an idiot |
| 18:27.12 | en1gma | ive been attacked attacked and atttacked |
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| 18:27.20 | wols_ | *think |
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| 18:27.38 | SoulChild | Hey All,... is it possible to compile the firefox standard for debian ? |
| 18:27.43 | en1gma | im an idiot cause i like to compile my kernels the-non-debian-way....im an idiot for asking about vlc? |
| 18:27.45 | en1gma | be real |
| 18:27.47 | wols_ | en1gma: #debian is not kind to fools. you can think this is a shortcoming. most regulars like it that way |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | maybe because every time we say do this or don't do that .. you ignore us and continue .. and then whine to us |
| 18:27.59 | en1gma | wols_ all your ass does is be a troll |
| 18:28.05 | en1gma | please stop personal attacks |
| 18:28.08 | simonrvn | "wah it doesn't work!" |
| 18:28.11 | asg | SoulChild: why not just install their binary distribution in /opt |
| 18:28.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:28.15 | gpm | you just personally attacked someone! |
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| 18:28.26 | abrotman | SoulChild: you could .. apparently it's not easy .. i'd do as asg suggests |
| 18:28.26 | en1gma | no i asked him not to attack me |
| 18:28.27 | SoulChild | asg: is that possible ? |
| 18:28.30 | wols_ | SoulChild: of course it's possible. why you'd want to do it si another matter tho |
| 18:28.33 | asg | SoulChild: yes |
| 18:28.34 | gpm | < en1gma> wols_ all your ass does is be a troll |
| 18:28.44 | en1gma | look at what he writes |
| 18:28.55 | en1gma | hes attacked me like 100x over the last few days |
| 18:29.04 | gpm | nonetheless, you just attacked him personally |
| 18:29.05 | SoulChild | asg: so i ll download the bianry extract du /opt and then, how do i use it ? |
| 18:29.10 | gpm | and then you ask him to stop attacking |
| 18:29.11 | en1gma | gpm and what about him |
| 18:29.17 | abrotman | it's not without reason ... :) |
| 18:29.19 | simonrvn | en1gma: lame |
| 18:29.26 | en1gma | and no i stated he is trolling |
| 18:29.26 | gpm | haha |
| 18:29.27 | asg | SoulChild: /opt/wherever/it/got/installed/bin/firefox (I expect) |
| 18:29.29 | sepski | wols_, :) |
| 18:29.30 | en1gma | that is not an attack |
| 18:29.35 | gpm | whatever happened to mwilson? |
| 18:29.42 | asg | gpm: he's in #OpenBSD |
| 18:29.44 | abrotman | gpm: he was thrown out |
| 18:29.46 | wols_ | gpm: he flamed once too many |
| 18:30.01 | abrotman | wols_: i don't think it was once too many .. just the undeserving once too many :) |
| 18:30.21 | simonrvn | en1gma: right. when you do it it's not an attack, and when someone else does, it is |
| 18:30.21 | en1gma | ok so a good recommended video player besides vlc is "mplayer" does it come with a good codec package? |
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| 18:30.32 | en1gma | he has called me names |
| 18:30.34 | gpm | and fieldysnuts...and that justin person was a flamer too |
| 18:30.39 | en1gma | trolling is not a name |
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| 18:30.47 | Noborusan | hi abrotman ,how are you ? |
| 18:30.48 | gpm | en1gma: yes. mplayer does |
| 18:30.52 | en1gma | thank-you |
| 18:30.54 | gpm | why don't you try it out for yourself |
| 18:30.54 | chops | en1gma: I believe that in Debian all the major video players can use any Debian-packaged codec, though I could be mistaken. |
| 18:31.04 | simonrvn | en1gma: right. back on iggy you go ;) |
| 18:31.09 | sepski | en1gma, codecs are separate from players. and installed separatly. (yes i know vlc have a few codecs built it,. it's the exception) |
| 18:31.09 | wols_ | gpm: it won't come with all the ones he will expect. I see trouble on the horizon... |
| 18:31.15 | gpm | meh |
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| 18:31.18 | gpm | :-P |
| 18:31.31 | en1gma | is there a good codec pack i should grab |
| 18:31.33 | gpm | let the trouble come |
| 18:31.34 | chops | wols_: Then he will be told about marillat, and start bitching because the illegal codecs aren't in the main repos |
| 18:31.42 | chops | wols_: He will say something about ubuntu |
| 18:31.44 | simonrvn | he wants stuff done for him |
| 18:31.54 | gpm | en1gma: apt-cache search codec.../msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:32.02 | chops | wols_: He will threaten to go back to Windows |
| 18:32.04 | en1gma | jesus i just want to watch a damn movie clip of crysis i dlaoded |
| 18:32.06 | zege | Trying 86.56.142.6... |
| 18:32.06 | zege | Connected to onenation.zege.at. |
| 18:32.06 | zege | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 18:32.07 | wols_ | simonrvn: you hit the nail on the head |
| 18:32.10 | zege | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 18:32.11 | chops | wols_: He will complain about being treated poorly |
| 18:32.13 | simonrvn | let him ;) |
| 18:32.23 | simonrvn | let winblows do his shit for him |
| 18:32.24 | abrotman | Noborusan: hi ... |
| 18:32.25 | asg | zege: they don't like you it would seem |
| 18:32.29 | psc | hi there! would anyone be so kind and give me a little hint how to run a shell script on startup? i tried /etc/init.d/boot and boot.local as uncle goole told me but nothing happens (it doesn't write the file it should) |
| 18:32.31 | gpm | en1gma: i'm trying to help |
| 18:32.34 | en1gma | im reading |
| 18:32.37 | wols_ | sepski: what is the codec package for mplayer in main? couldn't find it |
| 18:32.37 | en1gma | and paying attn |
| 18:32.40 | gpm | but i understand everyone's frustration |
| 18:32.45 | gpm | frankly |
| 18:32.49 | abrotman | gpm: justin is still here |
| 18:32.52 | asg | psc: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 18:33.02 | gpm | abrotman: good to know. haven't heard from him in a while though |
| 18:33.15 | abrotman | some people have a personal life you know ... |
| 18:33.23 | gpm | haha |
| 18:33.25 | gpm | lamers |
| 18:33.26 | psc | asg: ah, thanks |
| 18:33.32 | wols_ | analogx: dpm |
| 18:33.35 | JosefAssad | one thing I find a bit disorienting about debian is that the udates are nowhere near as frequent as with ubuntu. I can't make up my mind if this is A Good Thing(tm) or the opposite |
| 18:33.43 | wols_ | abrotman: don't pollute the channel with lies |
| 18:33.47 | wols_ | personal life, pfft! |
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| 18:33.59 | wols_ | JosefAssad: both |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | JosefAssad: depends which version of debian you run |
| 18:34.05 | gpm | you mean there's more to life than debian and beer? |
| 18:34.15 | asg | gpm: yes, food and sex |
| 18:34.18 | chops | JosefAssad: You can run versions of Debian that are updated more frequently. It has both advantages and drawbacks. |
| 18:34.21 | simonrvn | JosefAssad: depends what kind of system you want |
| 18:34.23 | sepski | wols_, i belive they are packaged separatly but if you install a player with it's recomends i belive you get most |
| 18:34.30 | JosefAssad | abrotman: etch |
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| 18:34.44 | wols_ | sepski: I just looked. no codec package at all in my repo |
| 18:34.46 | JosefAssad | chops: I take it you mean testing |
| 18:34.49 | simonrvn | JosefAssad: desktop/workstation? production server? |
| 18:34.56 | asg | JosefAssad: etch only updates security issues, everything else is stable and untouched |
| 18:35.06 | gpm | asg: beer is food |
| 18:35.13 | asg | gpm: fsvo beer |
| 18:35.15 | chops | JosefAssad: And unstable, and experimental... there's a broad continuum from which to draw. |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | JosefAssad: i realize that .. i'm just saying your criticism of etch isn't true for all of debian |
| 18:35.23 | wols_ | sepski: and reomve past experience, mplayer had all/most codecs compiled in. there just isn't no such thing as directshow filters in windows |
| 18:35.32 | simonrvn | exp. isn't a debian version per se |
| 18:35.33 | wols_ | not for linux tho gstreamer might have something like it |
| 18:35.34 | JosefAssad | asg: Okay, so that is the info I needed. So ubuntu updates for any reason, etch only security. Now I get it |
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| 18:35.43 | asg | chops: 1st rule of Debian club: Never mention experimental |
| 18:35.54 | abrotman | JosefAssad: and RC bugs |
| 18:35.56 | sepski | wols_, libmng1 libavcodec0d libvorbis0a libtheora0 |
| 18:35.57 | JosefAssad | abrotman: Not necessarily criticism, I just needed to understand |
| 18:35.59 | sepski | i see several |
| 18:36.06 | wols_ | JosefAssad: no. ubuntu updates security and grave bugs only too |
| 18:36.10 | wols_ | sphenxes: thanks |
| 18:36.23 | chops | asg: Yes, you are right. I am sorry. |
| 18:36.41 | wols_ | JosefAssad: but ubuntu has a much shorted release cycle of 6 months instead of 3 years. |
| 18:36.42 | JosefAssad | abrotman: I do not choose distro idly; I came back to debian in long planned move. So, things worked differently nd I asked why :) |
| 18:36.42 | sepski | wols_, mplay may have bundled codecs but not included them |
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| 18:36.47 | wols_ | JosefAssad: but ubuntu doesn't have to support a BIG working distro for 13 platforms |
| 18:36.48 | sepski | wols_, and it would be lisence issues |
| 18:36.57 | JosefAssad | wols_: Yes, but with ubuntu I could still get like 2 to 10 packages to update every day or 2 |
| 18:37.15 | gpm | why do you want updates so bad? |
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| 18:37.28 | abrotman | gpm: he wants to know where Britney is! |
| 18:37.28 | wols_ | JosefAssad: Imho a big reason for that is that they just don't test their release as much |
| 18:37.29 | asg | JosefAssad: that's probably the universe type sources (whatever they are called). |
| 18:37.29 | chops | !sns |
| 18:37.35 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 18:37.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 18:37.37 | sepski | JosefAssad, if you want updates every day (just to keep yourself busy) you can use testing |
| 18:37.38 | JosefAssad | gpm: I didn't say I wanted. I said it seemd less frequnt compared to ubuntu and wanted to know why. |
| 18:37.46 | wols_ | debian has a half year freeze period usually. with ubuntu that's already time for a new release |
| 18:37.57 | JosefAssad | sepski: I am actually happier without; I got better things to do with my bandwidth |
| 18:38.05 | chops | JosefAssad: The more frequently you update, the more chance there is for something to go wrong due to lack of testing. That's why. |
| 18:38.08 | gpm | JosefAssad: because debian maintainers have to do more shit than ubuntu maintainers before they can submit an update |
| 18:38.13 | JosefAssad | asg: could be, now that you mentyion it |
| 18:38.16 | simonrvn | SNSS is spread via frequent "leet geek" web forum posting |
| 18:38.23 | JosefAssad | chops: that makes sense to me. Thanks for that insight |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: not enough numerals! |
| 18:38.42 | asg | JosefAssad: I could be wrong but those packages are basically coming directly from debian's testing or unstable areas (and those do get updated quite frequently) |
| 18:38.51 | JosefAssad | gpm: also a good point. If I ever get any free time, I'll try to understand better what a debian package maintainer has to do |
| 18:39.07 | slav0nic | anybody setup jabberd+jit in etch? |
| 18:39.07 | wols_ | JosefAssad: all you will get is a headache :) |
| 18:39.08 | sepski | wols_, if you want all the lisence encumbered codecs and dont mind stepping on a few lisence toes there is the w32codecs package in debian-multimedia |
| 18:39.10 | gpm | JosefAssad: there's tons of good documentation available via apt or on the website |
| 18:39.17 | JosefAssad | wols_: re. not testing releases, amen. Another reason I came to debian |
| 18:39.21 | gpm | maint-guide or something i think |
| 18:39.36 | JosefAssad | gpm: info on debian package maintainership? Through apt? |
| 18:39.37 | wols_ | JosefAssad: no. I mean figuring out what maintainers have to do |
| 18:39.39 | zege | hi, i've got troubles with postfix |
| 18:39.45 | simonrvn | SNSS 1z zPr34d v14 fr3qU3n7 "l337 g33k" w3b f0rUm p0s71ng |
| 18:39.46 | wols_ | JosefAssad: just treat it like magic and be happy .) |
| 18:39.52 | simonrvn | abrotman: better ? ;) |
| 18:39.52 | en1gma | !dpkg codecs |
| 18:39.55 | zege | http://paste.debian.net/29192 |
| 18:40.02 | gpm | JosefAssad: yeah, like a new maintainer guide |
| 18:40.04 | JosefAssad | wols_: can I qoute you on that? :) |
| 18:40.08 | wols_ | !tell en1gma about dmm |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: heh |
| 18:40.19 | gpm | en1gma: you mean !codecs |
| 18:40.24 | JosefAssad | gpm: cool. Pakcage name? I was considering packaging a danish-english wordbook |
| 18:40.27 | en1gma | thanks |
| 18:40.29 | abrotman | he means /msg dpkg codecs |
| 18:41.01 | gpm | JosefAssad: maint-guide |
| 18:41.02 | gpm | i think |
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| 18:41.07 | abrotman | zege: did you do anything to your config ? |
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| 18:41.12 | gpm | apt-cache search is your friend as always :P |
| 18:41.18 | zege | yes, i'll paste my config |
| 18:41.21 | JosefAssad | gpm: thanks! That is very useful. |
| 18:41.23 | dwschool | i'm trying to get my debian box/gateway to block limewire, but i can't seem to get it. |
| 18:41.28 | dwschool | can anyone help me? |
| 18:41.34 | wols_ | !tell JosefAssad about nm |
| 18:41.48 | wols_ | dwschool: incoming or outgoing traffic? |
| 18:41.48 | abrotman | dwschool: doesn't it use like a bazillion ports ? |
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| 18:41.54 | wols_ | and: isn't limewire using port80? |
| 18:42.01 | chrisvarns | oh, btw, im actually running xorg Version 7.1.1, does the fglrx driver work in that? |
| 18:42.02 | zege | http://paste.debian.net/29193 |
| 18:42.07 | wols_ | abrotman: I think it's gnutella. using port80... |
| 18:42.09 | dwschool | abrotman: it does port-hop apperently |
| 18:42.18 | wols_ | chrisvarns: yes |
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| 18:42.46 | dwschool | is there any way to block it? |
| 18:42.57 | chrisvarns | wols_: i cant get it working tho, i get errors when i modprobe... im completely and utterly new to linux, and im finding it a rite mission getting this working |
| 18:43.11 | wols_ | zege: I think your smtpd* stuff is kinda wrong |
| 18:43.25 | wols_ | !tell chrisvarns about fglrx |
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| 18:43.29 | wols_ | !tell chrisvarns about errors |
| 18:43.32 | zege | wols_, whats wrong with it? |
| 18:43.40 | abrotman | wols_: i think it uses way more than port80 |
| 18:43.47 | abrotman | dwschool: you might get more help in #iptables |
| 18:43.51 | wols_ | smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks |
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| 18:43.56 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 18:44.02 | wols_ | zege: why do you need smtpd_sasl? |
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| 18:44.30 | wols_ | zege: also you can look in syslog to see what postfix says there |
| 18:44.31 | zege | because i want to use it over the internet and i don't want to be a spam-relay |
| 18:44.32 | wols_ | if anything |
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| 18:45.12 | wols_ | when you telnet to port 25. do you do it via localhost or what? |
| 18:45.42 | zege | no, via my pc at home |
| 18:45.44 | zege | http://paste.debian.net/29194 |
| 18:45.54 | zege | it's a sasl problem |
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| 18:46.06 | wols_ | zege: btw I don't get disconnected |
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| 18:46.12 | dnanar | im looking for a software which can handle a (small) database (i would like to create a new one) under linux. I dont need something for a web site (like mysql, oracle, etc...) just to use a simple DB on my debian . does anyone know one please ? =) |
| 18:46.14 | momelod | hello people |
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| 18:46.17 | wols_ | just not answeing to "EHLO" |
| 18:46.27 | chrisvarns | wols_: i type rmmod radeon to unload the thing thats currently running, then type modprobe fglrx, and i get an error that goes something like..... |
| 18:46.27 | chrisvarns | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 18:46.27 | chrisvarns | firegl_init_module *error* firegl_stub_register failed |
| 18:46.31 | zege | wols_, from onenation.zege.at? |
| 18:46.34 | momelod | is there a "proper" way to install both php4 and php5 on debian systems? |
| 18:46.36 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:46.52 | wols_ | momelod: you can install one as cgi afaik |
| 18:47.05 | chrisvarns | and thats after running /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 18:47.08 | wols_ | chrisvarns: you must be root to run modprobe |
| 18:47.14 | chrisvarns | i am mate |
| 18:47.20 | chrisvarns | it still comes up with those errors |
| 18:47.21 | chops | dnanar: You probably want mysql. What exactly do you want to do with this DB? |
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| 18:47.31 | wols_ | chrisvarns: did you use the debian way of installing it all? |
| 18:47.36 | momelod | wols, is there a way to install both and specify which to use with apache's LoadModule Derective? |
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| 18:48.01 | chrisvarns | wols_: not this time around, but i did attempt that at one point. is it worth trying it again? |
| 18:48.04 | wols_ | Noborusan: LoadModule useus modules, not cgi |
| 18:48.07 | zege | wols_, but syslog also says the sameas when i try to connect |
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| 18:48.12 | chrisvarns | and by the debian way, do you mean apt-get |
| 18:48.19 | Noborusan | wols_, :) |
| 18:48.19 | wols_ | chrisvarns: it's the only way we can support really... |
| 18:48.31 | dnanar | chops: well i would hope that it exist something much less in the "factory style" of mysql (i mean easier to handle and smaller). Well it's just to handle a list of my marks =) |
| 18:48.33 | wols_ | Noborusan: m vs n... |
| 18:48.37 | JosefAssad | dwschool: http://www.ipp2p.org/ |
| 18:48.44 | wols_ | dnanar: sqlite? |
| 18:48.50 | chops | dnanar: A spreadsheet? :-) |
| 18:49.03 | chrisvarns | wols_: so i should try apt-get and come back if that doesnt work? |
| 18:49.21 | wols_ | chrisvarns: one possibilitiy is wrong driver version. btw: get a decent kernel, not the install kernel |
| 18:49.43 | chrisvarns | wols_: noted :P what would you recommend? im using 2.6.18-4-486 atm |
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| 18:50.08 | wols_ | chrisvarns: depends on your CPU |
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| 18:51.43 | chrisvarns | hey funkyHat |
| 18:51.48 | funkyHat | Hi chrisvarns |
| 18:52.03 | wols_ | chrisvarns: so what cpu? |
| 18:52.14 | chrisvarns | athlon 1600+ or something along those lines |
| 18:52.21 | chrisvarns | 32bit |
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| 18:52.36 | wols_ | chrisvarns: -k7 kernel then |
| 18:52.43 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:53.02 | chrisvarns | is that gonna fix my fglrx problem? |
| 18:53.09 | gpm | it might |
| 18:53.16 | dnanar | chops: well to be honnest im looking for something other than sql =). do you know one please ? |
| 18:53.22 | chrisvarns | whats the difference between that and the stock kernel? |
| 18:53.28 | gpm | that is a stock kernel |
| 18:53.33 | purplepenguins | other than sql for what? |
| 18:53.38 | chrisvarns | i mean 4-486 |
| 18:53.41 | gpm | there are different stock kernels for different architectures |
| 18:53.43 | dnanar | purplepenguins: to handle database |
| 18:53.48 | gpm | they're built for different cpus |
| 18:53.49 | chrisvarns | aah right |
| 18:53.51 | chops | dnanar: I believe that what you want is a spreadsheet, oocalc or the like |
| 18:53.51 | dnanar | < dnanar> im looking for a software which can handle a (small) database (i would like to create a new one) under linux. I dont need something for a web site (like mysql, oracle, etc...) just to use a simple DB on my debian . does anyone know one please ? =) |
| 18:54.09 | dnanar | < dnanar> im looking for a software which can handle a (small) database (i would like to create a new one) under linux. I dont need something for a web site (like mysql, oracle, etc...) just to use a simple DB on my debian . does anyone know one please ? =) |
| 18:54.09 | purplepenguins | Is there any other database thing out there that isn't SQL? |
| 18:54.09 | dnanar | oops sorry for the flood =( |
| 18:54.17 | dnanar | purplepenguins: i would hope so |
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| 18:54.56 | purplepenguins | you want something akin to microsoft access? |
| 18:54.57 | dondelelcaro | dnanar: there are lots of databases that will do that. |
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| 18:55.04 | wols_ | dnanar: sqlite, libdb |
| 18:55.21 | purplepenguins | blah, time to go |
| 18:55.24 | dnanar | chops: oocalc doesn't have enough advanced feature (or didn't i noticed them ?): sort a list of entry, select only some entry , etc... |
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| 18:56.08 | gpm | oocalc has filters |
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| 18:56.40 | chops | dnanar: Put it this way: Are you looking to write a program to manipulate your data, or are you planning to use an already-existing program to view, update, and filter your data? |
| 18:57.20 | dnanar | chops: i would like to use an already existing programm =) |
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| 18:57.57 | minerale | how do I show info about a package, is it apt-cache show packagename ? |
| 18:57.59 | dondelelcaro | dnanar: if the database is relatively small and you don't need much in the way of features, use sqlite. If it's large and you need features, use postgresql or mysql. |
| 18:58.02 | dondelelcaro | minerale: yes. |
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| 18:58.14 | chops | dnanar: oocalc it is then. If you ask here for a "database", 90% of the answers you get will be tools that are designed to be used as programming tools. mysql, postgres, and sqlite all fall into that category. |
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| 18:58.41 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't use spreadsheets as databases |
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| 18:58.54 | artur | Hi |
| 18:58.55 | chops | dnanar: I would check if oocalc will meet your needs, and if not go looking for some other tool. If all you want to do is input, filter, and view your marks, though, oocalc will be sufficient. |
| 18:59.06 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: do you really think he needs a DB? |
| 18:59.09 | artur | how to change motd when i m loging in via ssh? |
| 18:59.10 | minerale | dondelelcaro: I don't get anything, blank, apt-cache show postresql-8.etc is blank |
| 18:59.16 | gpm | artur: man motd |
| 18:59.19 | dondelelcaro | minerale: if it's blank, then the package doesn't exist. |
| 18:59.23 | gpm | artur: i think you just edit /etc/motd |
| 18:59.47 | dondelelcaro | wols_: I've no idea, but that's what he asked for |
| 18:59.55 | sohmestra | artur: /etc/issue |
| 18:59.56 | wols_ | minerale: there is no such package. you got it wrong. try apt-cache show postgresql |
| 18:59.58 | minerale | dondelelcaro: put apt-cache search postgresql pulls up postgresql-8.0 |
| 19:00.17 | wols_ | minerale: -8.0 is just the version. not the package name |
| 19:00.23 | dondelelcaro | minerale: and you typed apt-cache show postgresql-8.0? |
| 19:00.32 | dondelelcaro | wols_: postgresql-8.0 is actually a package |
| 19:00.41 | wols_ | mea culpa |
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| 19:01.16 | dondelelcaro | postgresql now allows you to have multiple database versions installed at the same time, which is kind of useful. |
| 19:01.20 | minerale | dondelelcaro: wols_ actuall, zsh autocompletion shows me the available packages when I type postgresql-<tab> and that came up |
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| 19:01.27 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: maybe it is, but apt-cache show postgresql actzually shows me pstgres 8.2.4 while there is no such 8.0 package here in sid |
| 19:01.34 | gpm | artur: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=42897&sid=0af43dd8d2d16787ad9f13669905d809 |
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| 19:01.52 | dondelelcaro | !+info postgresql-8.0 |
| 19:01.53 | dpkg | Package 'postgresql-8.0' does not exist. |
| 19:02.58 | dondelelcaro | oh, my mistake; it's in an custom unstable repository. |
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| 19:02.58 | dondelelcaro | 8.1 and 8.2 are the actual packages |
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| 19:02.59 | minerale | ah-ha, thanks |
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| 19:03.48 | rking | hey quick somebody have some debian problems - i'm on my lunch break and i'm in need of some brain-stimulation. |
| 19:04.43 | hyper_ch | rking: how to find out who was so nice and leave a rootkit on my server ^^ |
| 19:04.58 | joakim | hyper_ch: probably the guy that found a way in? |
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| 19:05.12 | hyper_ch | joakim: could be... ;) |
| 19:05.36 | hyper_ch | anyway, good reason to clean everything up, getting etch, aso |
| 19:05.38 | rking | hyper_ch: have you looked over the logs thoroughly? |
| 19:05.46 | gpm | hyper_ch: you stumped him |
| 19:05.49 | rking | hyper_ch: and look at the dates of things |
| 19:06.01 | joakim | hyper_ch: what are you currently running? |
| 19:06.05 | hyper_ch | sarge |
| 19:06.13 | joakim | time to upgrade maybe? :P |
| 19:06.17 | hyper_ch | but not much longer ;) |
| 19:06.33 | hyper_ch | joakim: yeah, will be wiped as soon as backups are made and a ro image |
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| 19:07.03 | hyper_ch | why can't they hack IIS |
| 19:07.07 | hyper_ch | thats more fun to do |
| 19:07.08 | hyper_ch | ;) |
| 19:07.31 | hyper_ch | as long as ubuntu bug #1 remains everyone should concentrate on m$ |
| 19:09.08 | enouf | ok rking .. can i play with installing the evil binary nvidia blobs (legacy versions, using all debian pkgs only) in a chroot env, without affecting my regular installation? (in case something goes horribly wrong ;-) |
| 19:09.46 | enouf | i know i can boot into that chroot (real root then) directly, but i harte rebooting :-P |
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| 19:10.10 | hyper_ch | enouf: the legacy drivers worked fine on my old nvidia geforce2 gts/pro |
| 19:10.50 | rking | enouf: that's a good idea - i like it. But, if it was me, i'd have more confidence in the rescue disks. They've never let me down |
| 19:11.29 | gpm | i see no reason for any of that, the nvidia packages don't affect anything and if they don't work, you can always use nv until you find a better solution |
| 19:11.33 | dnanar | chops: well im trying sqlite its look great =) |
| 19:11.43 | enouf | cool , mine's even older .. but it'd be nice to play with 3d stuff -- but i'm really looking for a way for pdfs (acroread) to redraw the screen faster, from either being minimized, backgrounded, or just scrolling |
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| 19:12.55 | enouf | gpm: being their from debian, i suspect they'd uninstall cleanly .. unlike the nvidia.com .run blobs |
| 19:13.05 | enouf | er s/their/they're |
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| 19:13.27 | gpm | they do. maybe they might not if you're on sid |
| 19:13.33 | gpm | bts is your friend |
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| 19:13.53 | enouf | gpm: how'd ya guess? ; -) |
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| 19:14.26 | enouf | I upgraded over 1000+ pkgs yesterday \o/ |
| 19:14.30 | sid | I just got a second monitor, I have an ATI 9100, how do I setup dualies? Is there a dpkg factoid? |
| 19:14.50 | gpm | i don't get why people don't just use testing. it only takes like a week longer to get the "latest and greatest" |
| 19:15.00 | gpm | and then it actually works |
| 19:15.09 | enouf | gpm: i've been this way for over a year now .. |
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| 19:15.47 | gpm | enouf: then you know what to do |
| 19:15.48 | Cyberjames | hi. how to play the apache2 in debian to enable the public_html for every user? |
| 19:15.50 | enouf | and it worked fine for more than that .. if i changed my repos to lenny, i'd likely have borkage from attempted downgrading |
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| 19:16.01 | dondelelcaro | Cyberjames: it should be enabled by default, but if not, enable mod_user |
| 19:16.12 | enouf | gpm: wanted to give some stimulae to rking ;-) |
| 19:16.27 | dondelelcaro | mod_userdir, that is |
| 19:16.37 | Cyberjames | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 19:16.46 | enouf | gpm: thanks for your input |
| 19:16.52 | N1ckR | anyone had experience of using preallocation with ext3 ? |
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| 19:17.12 | gpm | enouf: sorry, i just always wonder...once i started using testing i never wanted to go back to sid |
| 19:17.16 | gpm | :-/ |
| 19:17.53 | enouf | no prob .. and i concur with that thinking mostly |
| 19:18.11 | hyper_ch | who runs etch here? |
| 19:18.29 | gpm | !anyone |
| 19:18.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:18.52 | Cyberjames | dondelelcaro: how to know that the mod_userdir is enabled? |
| 19:19.05 | hyper_ch | gpm: what supybot version does etch has? |
| 19:19.24 | gpm | hyper_ch: use packages.debian.org |
| 19:19.24 | enouf | rking: i actually am pretty secure in my ability to rescue my system -- the idea was i have another separate (almost virgin installation) on another HDD, but i also use some of the for backups from my main install -- so.. thinking the chroot would be a nice easy way to play |
| 19:19.47 | hyper_ch | gpm: you could just have told me... would have been quicker than typing that |
| 19:20.07 | gpm | hyper_ch: no, because now you won't ask me what version a release of debian uses...hopefully |
| 19:20.11 | gpm | i'm trying to help you |
| 19:20.15 | gpm | so you don't have to ask me about everything |
| 19:20.42 | gpm | i don't know...i would have just looked at pdo myself |
| 19:20.53 | hyper_ch | pdo? |
| 19:20.59 | gpm | !pdo |
| 19:20.59 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 19:21.05 | enouf | hyper_ch: perhaps /msg dpkg grounding |
| 19:21.15 | enouf | hyper_ch: perhaps /msg dpkg msg the bot as well |
| 19:21.31 | hyper_ch | !info supybot |
| 19:21.36 | dpkg | supybot: (robust and user friendly Python IRC bot), section net, is optional. Version: 0.83.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 490 kB, Installed size: 2948 kB |
| 19:22.02 | gpm | hyper_ch: yeah, that factoid only does sid for some reason |
| 19:22.06 | gpm | !info supybot etch |
| 19:22.10 | dpkg | supybot: (robust and user friendly Python IRC bot), section net, is optional. Version: 0.83.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 490 kB, Installed size: 2948 kB |
| 19:22.26 | sid | dondelelcaro: You know how to setup dual monitors using "ati" driver from xorg? I have a Radeon 9100 |
| 19:22.31 | gpm | in the future you should /msg dpkg that kind of thing though, the rest of the channel doesn't care |
| 19:22.31 | hyper_ch | !info supybot sarge |
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| 19:22.36 | dpkg | supybot: (robust and user friendly Python IRC bot), section net, is optional. Version: 0.80.1-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 589 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB |
| 19:22.44 | hyper_ch | great :) |
| 19:22.44 | enouf | sid man radeon? |
| 19:22.58 | JordiGH | Is there a more comfortable method for browsing the perl manpages than using man? Something like info? |
| 19:23.02 | gpm | hyper_ch: /msg dpkg info supybot sarge...don't !info supybot sarge, you're flooding the channel |
| 19:23.10 | sid | thanks enouf |
| 19:23.14 | sid | I didn't know that was there. heh |
| 19:23.16 | gpm | hyper_ch: if you /msg only you will see it, instead of everyone |
| 19:23.39 | enouf | sid: IIRC, the radeon driver does 3D natively up until the 9500?, or just a bit earlier? (85xx eries?) |
| 19:23.42 | hyper_ch | gpm: if everyone sees it there might be someone who gets interested |
| 19:23.44 | dondelelcaro | sid: it should be the same as with any other driver, assuming you can get both heads work. |
| 19:23.49 | dondelelcaro | s/work/working/ |
| 19:23.53 | jelly-home | enouf: 9200 and 9250. |
| 19:23.58 | hyper_ch | gpm: happens to me all the time in the *buntu channels |
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| 19:24.11 | gpm | hyper_ch: most people will just get annoyed. trust me, i speak from experience |
| 19:24.23 | enouf | jelly-home: oh .. cool |
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| 19:24.51 | JordiGH | hyper_ch: Note that comparisons with Ubuntu tend to not fare well in #debian. |
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| 19:25.50 | N1ckR | !ubuntu |
| 19:25.51 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:25.55 | hyper_ch | JordiGH: will I get banned for mentioning ubuntu? you see, what ubuntu has over the debian community is the friendliness... actually thats ubuntu over any linux community I've encountered so far |
| 19:26.09 | gpm | oh man, here we go |
| 19:26.12 | marc7 | ha! |
| 19:26.20 | sid | enouf: I thought it was 9150 |
| 19:26.28 | JordiGH | hyper_ch: Yeah, we're not known for friendliness, even if sometimes we are. |
| 19:26.33 | JordiGH | we are friendly, that is. |
| 19:26.43 | JordiGH | hyper_ch: No, you won't get banned, but you'll probably be offtopic. |
| 19:26.47 | sid | enouf: But ATI released memory registers etc for their older cards, so it could be higher than 9150 now. That was a few years ago it was 9150 "ati" driver from xorg works. |
| 19:26.53 | enouf | sid: your card? what's lspci | greo VGA say? |
| 19:26.55 | Ronin | and get pointed to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:26.59 | enouf | er grep VGA |
| 19:27.07 | sid | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R200 QM [Radeon 9100] |
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| 19:27.22 | xeihin | hi friends, I installed debian with openvz but all its in english, what packages are needed to change it to spanish |
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| 19:27.45 | sid | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/hUEFMS86.html |
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| 19:27.57 | gpm | xeihin: isn't that a locale thing? or a configuration option? just guessing. sorry if i'm not helpful |
| 19:27.59 | enouf | sid: so "ati" is better for you than "radeon"? i'm ignorant in these ati matters |
| 19:28.14 | sepski | xeihin, try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:28.28 | xeihin | mmm I don't know, I installed locales and I did dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:28.31 | xeihin | but all its in english |
| 19:28.35 | sepski | xeihin, and i belive you must log out and in again for effects to take |
| 19:28.48 | sid | enouf: I thought ati/radeon are the same. |
| 19:28.49 | sid | I could be wrong though. |
| 19:28.52 | sid | fglrx is the non-free proprietary crap. |
| 19:28.53 | xeihin | I restarted the machine |
| 19:28.57 | enouf | i mean then there's also fglrx stuffs .. ugh |
| 19:29.00 | JordiGH | You also need to set your LANG environment variable, probably. |
| 19:29.01 | enouf | right |
| 19:29.07 | xeihin | I used es_ES UTF |
| 19:29.16 | JordiGH | LANG=es_COUNTRY.UTF |
| 19:29.41 | JordiGH | In your .bashrc, "export LANG=es_ES.UTF-8" |
| 19:29.48 | N1ckR | !fish |
| 19:29.48 | dpkg | i heard fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 19:29.55 | sepski | dpkg-reconfigure locales should set the LANG variable in /etc/enviorment |
| 19:30.04 | xeihin | the problem is that I have zope and plone in debian with openvz |
| 19:30.13 | xeihin | but plone appear in english not in spanish |
| 19:30.33 | enouf | sid: dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video-* |
| 19:30.44 | xeihin | I think that this is a locales configuration problem |
| 19:30.49 | xeihin | or I miss a package |
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| 19:31.28 | xeihin | debian only use locales to manage the languages? |
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| 19:32.12 | dondelelcaro | xeihin: there's nothing else that should be used. |
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| 19:32.20 | enouf | heh .. i guess so .. no radeon here either anymore -- only the radeontool |
| 19:32.21 | sid | enouf: xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.6.3 |
| 19:32.25 | enouf | righto |
| 19:32.41 | sid | enouf: It doesn't even list radeon anywhere. I think "radeon" is old name from xfree86 or something, they use "ati" name now. |
| 19:32.45 | sid | #xorg probably knows |
| 19:33.10 | JordiGH | You can still call it radeon; the ati driver is just a wrapper that selects the proper subdriver. |
| 19:33.20 | sid | ahh, I see. |
| 19:33.26 | JordiGH | So there's no difference between putting "ati" or "radeon". |
| 19:33.31 | xeihin | :| |
| 19:33.34 | JordiGH | In xorg.conf |
| 19:34.13 | gpm | if i dpkg-reconfigure locales and a german one, let's say, and i use it in my .[shell]rc, then things will start showing up in german (if there's a translation)? |
| 19:34.15 | N1ckR | Why writes the info for dpkg, some of the stuff is hilarious. |
| 19:34.20 | N1ckR | !greenhouse |
| 19:34.20 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 19:34.28 | dondelelcaro | gpm: yes |
| 19:34.32 | gpm | dondelelcaro: sweet. |
| 19:34.34 | dondelelcaro | N1ckR: if you want to ask the bot questions, /msg it |
| 19:34.39 | gpm | good way to start learning german |
| 19:34.55 | gpm | dondelelcaro: but the docs will still be in english...like /usr/share/doc/[package] right? |
| 19:35.10 | dondelelcaro | gpm: yes, but it'll try to select german manpages if possible. |
| 19:35.21 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-ati&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all i guess so sid |
| 19:35.22 | gpm | dondelelcaro: awesome. |
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| 19:36.03 | gpm | good way for me to brush up on my german :P |
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| 19:36.22 | Led_Zeppelin | hello, anyone here using Debian with SAN ? |
| 19:36.26 | dondelelcaro | the number of strings which are actually translated is kind of spotty, but it's getting better and better |
| 19:36.40 | gpm | well, that's one of the areas debian always needs help with, right? |
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| 19:37.20 | nooneelse | can I use more than on alias on /etc/hosts ? |
| 19:37.27 | dondelelcaro | nooneelse: yes. |
| 19:37.36 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: I'm sure people are, what is your question? |
| 19:37.36 | nooneelse | like "<ip> <fqdn> <alias1> <alias2> |
| 19:37.38 | dondelelcaro | gpm: yeah; most of that is upstream work though |
| 19:37.54 | Led_Zeppelin | If a new SAN disk is zoned to my HBA, how would I 'scan the bus' to detect the new LUNs? |
| 19:37.58 | nooneelse | dondelelcaro this way too ? |
| 19:38.06 | nooneelse | <ip> <fqdn> <alias1> <alias2> |
| 19:38.12 | dondelelcaro | nooneelse: yes, that's how you do it; man 5 hosts; for details. |
| 19:38.19 | N1ckR | anyone used preallocation in ext3 ? |
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| 19:38.25 | enouf | sid you got the ati, radeon, and r128 manpages ;-) http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=xserver-xorg-video-ati&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 19:38.33 | nooneelse | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 19:38.44 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: it depends on which drivers / implementation your are using. multipath's utilities can do this iirc; otherwise, a reboot always works. |
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| 19:39.23 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: what about for EMC Storage, and using PowerPath. Are you familar with that? Also is its the HBA's driver or MPIOs driver that need the tweaking? |
| 19:39.56 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: Implementation is, Frame -> Switch -> Host |
| 19:40.03 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: 2 HBAs, for MPIO |
| 19:40.29 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: sorry, I'm not familiar with EMC's stuff |
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| 19:40.51 | enouf | dondelelcaro: once other locales re added, is setxkbmap <lang> usefull? , or is there a better way (excluding GUI DEs/WMs and such) |
| 19:41.10 | enouf | well .. i guess one would have a WM if using X anyways :-P |
| 19:41.22 | enouf | s/re/are |
| 19:41.29 | wykis | Hello, how is it possible to download recursively using multiple threads/ simultaneous connections with wget? it is downloading one file at time. |
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| 19:42.52 | enouf | open up those tubes baby ;-) |
| 19:42.58 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: thanks anyway |
| 19:43.15 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: sorry I wasn't more helpful. |
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| 19:43.44 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: np, i think I have a better understanding now. #1 reason why I hate linux is because there are too many variables :-) |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | man unset ? |
| 19:44.15 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
| 19:44.18 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: hey |
| 19:44.21 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:45.01 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: how are you? long time no talk |
| 19:45.21 | JordiGH | wykis: Do you want to download a page with all of its internal links? |
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| 19:46.51 | fsteves | Guys I am having an issue. I have a system that I can SSH into, but even as SU, I cannot issue any commands as I get an Input/output error |
| 19:46.59 | JordiGH | And I thought that downloading one file at a time is overall faster than downloading them all at once? Or is that just my perception? |
| 19:47.14 | nhuisman_work | fsteves i would bet the box has issues. |
| 19:47.19 | nhuisman_work | like hd problem |
| 19:47.23 | fsteves | Yes, but I cannot issue and commands |
| 19:47.31 | nhuisman_work | so if you type ls |
| 19:47.33 | nhuisman_work | what happens |
| 19:47.38 | nhuisman_work | paste the line |
| 19:47.44 | nhuisman_work | or just choose a command that errors |
| 19:47.56 | fsteves | I can list |
| 19:48.08 | nhuisman_work | ok so if you type say " top" |
| 19:48.11 | nhuisman_work | what is the error |
| 19:48.17 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: work work work! |
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| 19:48.46 | asg | fsteves: does 'dmesg' show nasty io errors ? |
| 19:48.58 | fsteves | top works |
| 19:48.58 | nhuisman_work | or tail -200 /var/log/messages |
| 19:49.00 | abrotman_ | now more apparently :) |
| 19:49.14 | fsteves | dmesg says: -bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error |
| 19:49.22 | fsteves | And I cannot write any files |
| 19:49.33 | wykis | JordiGH: I want to download a page with all images (that link to external sites, too). I'm doing this, but some of the images download very slowly so I thought it might be possible to somehow span it across multiple threads or something. |
| 19:49.47 | fsteves | say, if I try to touch /tmp/test |
| 19:49.50 | fsteves | I get Bus error |
| 19:49.52 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: good that you are busy :-). Time flys. I just came back from vacation. Now, I don't feel like working |
| 19:49.54 | dondelelcaro | fsteves: if you're getting an i/o error when trying to run dmesg, the disk is probably toast. |
| 19:49.56 | asg | fsteves: that's bad |
| 19:49.56 | en1gma | to the programmers....why is the number system (around the world except chine) all the same and languages are different characters |
| 19:50.07 | abrotman_ | Led_Zeppelin: that's how it always works |
| 19:50.35 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: the number system didn't used to be the same everywhere; the arabic system was just clearly superior. |
| 19:50.50 | dondelelcaro | s/used/use/ |
| 19:51.02 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: meetings are what kill me. I **hate** those things. |
| 19:51.08 | abrotman | don't go ? :) |
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| 19:51.24 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: i get yelled at if I don't. Doesn't look good for my team. |
| 19:51.29 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:51.32 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: and at the end of the day, 1==I, but ö!=oe |
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| 19:51.51 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: i started to just lie, "I am busy on another conf call, so I don't think I can make your call today".... |
| 19:51.57 | en1gma | :) |
| 19:52.01 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: not sure, how much longer I can play those cards |
| 19:52.07 | en1gma | i was just thinking isnt that strange though |
| 19:52.10 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: delegate! |
| 19:52.32 | asg | abrotman: delegating your minions to attend your meetings is evil. |
| 19:52.42 | en1gma | some guy going from county to country and most countries like the way the number system looked and others didnt like the language system lookd |
| 19:52.51 | JordiGH | wykis: Ah, porn, eh? |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | asg: isn't that why you're the boss ? you delegate well and oyu're evil! |
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| 19:53.32 | JordiGH | !info webhttrack |
| 19:53.36 | dpkg | webhttrack: (Copy websites to your computer, httrack with a Web interface), section web, is optional. Version: 3.41.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 420 kB, Installed size: 1484 kB |
| 19:53.42 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 19:53.57 | wykis | JordiGH: nop |
| 19:54.36 | gpm | till later my friends |
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| 19:56.34 | wykis | JordiGH: no solution? |
| 19:56.36 | JordiGH | wykis: At any rate, will httrack help you? |
| 19:57.04 | wykis | cool, thanks, JordiGH, that's what I was looking for |
| 19:57.19 | JordiGH | wykis: webhttrack for the interface. |
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| 19:59.07 | Zap-W | say i have a client and a server connected to a switch and it takes forever to receive a dhcp response from the server , if i use a cross-over cable directly with the server it works instantly |
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| 19:59.49 | eat_life | how would you use debian for in a cluster? for instance, 3 servers, mail/web/database.. since dependecies will complain about not finding a suitable mysql database installed if i say install wordpress on my web server? |
| 19:59.54 | minerale | what does it mean when a tar extract says: tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 20:00.48 | Gathond | minerale: that there were errors earlier |
| 20:01.13 | Gathond | but not serious enough to make it stop at them |
| 20:01.18 | minerale | ah, ok, thanks |
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| 20:02.06 | TrueDD | re |
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| 20:05.23 | chops | eat_life: wordpress should not depend on a local DB, it should recommend one. If it depends on one that's a bug. |
| 20:05.36 | eat_life | ok |
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| 20:06.25 | eat_life | well right now, i'll have 2 servers, one is a bit more powerful than the other, which should be placed on the more powerful server? web w/php & rails or mail & mysql ? |
| 20:06.31 | eat_life | which would be more resource intensive? |
| 20:06.38 | eat_life | probably mail and mysql |
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| 20:07.53 | deconvolution | hello, under Linux is there any tool to recover a FAT32 partition? I can ls the directory but when I try to copy data, it failed on some directories |
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| 20:09.19 | helo | is it possible to add a file onto a debian live cd without it being loaded into ram on boot? i.e.- could i put a hd image somewhere, build the live cd, boot from it, then dd the image to a drive for a quick install? |
| 20:09.37 | pihhan | hello |
| 20:09.43 | asg | helo: the bootcd package can do that |
| 20:09.51 | chops | eat_life: That I can't say without measuring... you could put everything on the less powerful server, and every time you have performance problems move the most resource-hungry thing to the more powerful server :-) |
| 20:09.59 | nvz | eat_life: well mail isnt that intensive I wouldnt think.. requires more disk space than really cpu time or ram.. the MYSQL, Web, PHP could be intensive.. depends on the application and the traffic |
| 20:10.14 | abrotman | it depends on the mail volume |
| 20:10.27 | eat_life | i'm expecting a lot |
| 20:10.30 | pihhan | can anyone guide me where can i set terminal charset for xfce4-terminal? |
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| 20:11.01 | abrotman | eat_life: and the mail storage type |
| 20:11.03 | pihhan | nvz, every modern server needs antispam, and that IS REALLY CPU intensive |
| 20:11.04 | eat_life | i'm mainly just worried because my web applications will rely on the database a lot and i don't know how performance will be seperating web and database, but it should be ok since both servers are in the same rack |
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| 20:11.17 | JordiGH | deconvolution: Have you tried fscking it yet? |
| 20:11.17 | eat_life | right? |
| 20:11.28 | nvz | pihhan: yeah I didint think about filtering and anti-virus |
| 20:11.31 | GuySof1 | hi all, how do i get the nvidia modules to work on kernel 2.6.20? |
| 20:11.43 | chops | eat_life: If I were you, I would put web+database on one and mail on the other, since web and database will benefit from local communications |
| 20:11.53 | wjlroe | Anyone know how to pin an architecture on a package so I can have libqt3-mt pinned for i386, with the rest of the system amd64 |
| 20:12.03 | whazilla | !ia32 |
| 20:12.03 | dpkg | i guess ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 20:12.04 | eat_life | chops: hmm.. well my mail uses the database for virtual mail lookups too |
| 20:12.06 | chops | eat_life: But it really depends on the details; an ounce of measuring and tweaking is going to be worth a ton of IRC advice |
| 20:12.10 | deconvolution | JordiGH: is it safe to do fsck on fat32? |
| 20:12.30 | abrotman | deconvolution: there's an UBCD with win32 utilities |
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| 20:12.47 | deconvolution | abrotman: what's that? |
| 20:12.47 | kjoonlee | hi |
| 20:12.52 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 20:12.52 | dpkg | [ubcd] http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 20:13.05 | chops | eat_life: Yeah, but a few milliseconds of network latency won't hurt your mail delivery. Delays in DB access because of network traffic will hurt your web applications. Or maybe not. Like I say, it's best to measure. |
| 20:13.18 | eat_life | ok |
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| 20:13.25 | deconvolution | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:13.29 | pihhan | i believe fat32 is well enough documented to make fsck, isnt it? |
| 20:13.41 | kjoonlee | hi, what decides the results of "~" in vim? Which part of the locale? |
| 20:13.51 | kjoonlee | (upper and lowercase, I mean) |
| 20:13.51 | deconvolution | right, let me try it |
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| 20:14.03 | pihhan | kjoonlee, CTYPE? |
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| 20:14.41 | JordiGH | deconvolution: Sure it is. fat32 is simple to understand. Fsck it. |
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| 20:14.53 | kjoonlee | pihhan: Ah, thank you :) |
| 20:15.22 | pihhan | kjoonlee, thank you too, i never remembered what was the key to switch cases :) |
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| 20:16.07 | TrueDD | re |
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| 20:16.13 | pihhan | someone does know, where does xfce4-terminal guess session encoding charset from? |
| 20:16.26 | chops | pihhan: $LANG? |
| 20:16.32 | klync | wondering whether newer versions of the install cds support creating and installing onto a raid1 root partition |
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| 20:17.19 | pihhan | chops, seems it does not. or, terminal application does not know shell is using utf8 and i want it to know somehow |
| 20:17.41 | abrotman | klync: uhm .. old versions do .. depends on your RAID controller |
| 20:17.47 | klync | abrotman: i meant software raid |
| 20:17.51 | chops | pihhan: If you set $LANG, and then run xfce-terminal from a shell, does it come up with the right encoding? |
| 20:17.55 | abrotman | old versions support that also |
| 20:18.03 | klync | i have an older netinstall cd i was going to use, but ... |
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| 20:18.12 | klync | thx abrotman, i'll download a new one! :) |
| 20:18.20 | abrotman | klync: the old ones support software raid |
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| 20:18.25 | abrotman | or rather .. the etch ones |
| 20:19.13 | klync | abrotman: i haven't downloaded a new one since 'sarge netinstall beta 4' |
| 20:19.14 | pihhan | chops, no, it does not |
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| 20:19.34 | chops | pihhan: Hmpf. Sounds like a bug to me. /msg dpkg bts |
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| 20:19.41 | pihhan | chops, still badly displaying utf-8 and trying to display iso-8859-2 :) |
| 20:19.53 | chops | pihhan: For amusement you could also try 'man xfce-terminal', but I assume you've already done that :-) |
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| 20:20.47 | abrotman | klync: that also supports it :) |
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| 20:21.33 | klync | abrotman: i seem to remember having to create it in degraded mode using a utility cd, installing, and then bringing up the raid after |
| 20:21.42 | pihhan | chops, i did, but there is not a word about encoding |
| 20:22.09 | chops | pihhan: If it doesn't do it according to $LANG then it's a bug IMHO, but the maintainer might disagree |
| 20:22.20 | lymeca | I recently switched usernames to 'lymeca' and made a link called /home/lymeca which points to my old home directory. I've used this method before and it worked, but this time my Iceweasel lost the ability to see where it's extensions/themes are (even though all other applications seemed to have kept their settings just fine). |
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| 20:24.59 | gpm | lymeca: but the settings are all there when you log in as the old user? |
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| 20:25.26 | atul | hello |
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| 20:26.18 | lymeca | gpm: I don't know I deleted my old user. Actually more specifically I think I used a command which switched one user to another. |
| 20:26.44 | gpm | do you remember exactly what you did? |
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| 20:27.38 | gpm | you could try backing up your config, starting with a fresh one and copying over the configs that you are interested in |
| 20:27.45 | lymeca | usermod -l lymeca |
| 20:27.46 | lymeca | I think |
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| 20:28.04 | gpm | i'd try that |
| 20:28.05 | lymeca | By 'config' do you mean 'home directory'? |
| 20:28.18 | gpm | lymeca: no, i mean .mozilla...or wherever these settings are stored |
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| 20:28.28 | techbee | hello |
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| 20:29.08 | lymeca | I asked in #firefox and basically found out that Iceweasel is looking in "~/.mozilla/firefox/dmfhyaeq.default" for it's settings. |
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| 20:29.11 | abrotman | but then you shouldn't have had to make the symlink AIUI |
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| 20:29.32 | gpm | AIUI? |
| 20:29.36 | abrotman | !aiui |
| 20:29.36 | lymeca | The funnny thing it that within that directory I see subdirectories for all my old extensions. |
| 20:29.36 | dpkg | aiui is probably As I Understand It |
| 20:29.47 | gpm | thanks |
| 20:30.00 | gpm | lymeca: yeah, i'm saying copy that folder |
| 20:30.08 | lymeca | So it seems that they are *there* but Iceweasel just isn't recognizing them. |
| 20:30.15 | lymeca | Copy that folder to where? |
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| 20:30.21 | gpm | a safe place |
| 20:30.28 | gpm | then remove ~/.mozilla |
| 20:30.33 | gpm | and start iceweasel |
| 20:30.38 | gpm | then copy over the stuff you need |
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| 20:31.02 | gpm | starting iceweasel will give you a "blank" configuration directory (defaults) |
| 20:31.04 | JordiGH | For the record, isn't changing a username as simple as editing /etc/passwd? |
| 20:31.14 | gpm | JordiGH: what about $HOME |
| 20:31.20 | lymeca | What about ~/.mozzila/default/ or ~/.mozilla/plugins/ ? |
| 20:31.26 | gpm | it'll still be /home/$oldusername |
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| 20:31.34 | JordiGH | gpm: Those are read from /etc/passwd, no? |
| 20:31.52 | gpm | JordiGH: well, the files will still be on /home/$oldusername though, i think |
| 20:31.54 | JordiGH | gpm: Move the directory, but you don't have to. A username and a home directory don't need to have the same string. |
| 20:32.06 | gpm | yeah |
| 20:32.12 | gpm | i've not messed with /etc/passwd much |
| 20:32.19 | gpm | i always just use gpm |
| 20:32.21 | gpm | :P |
| 20:32.26 | lymeca | Like I said I made a symlink /home/lymeca to point to my old $HOME |
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| 20:32.50 | lymeca | And configured my new username to use /home/lymeca as it's $HOME |
| 20:32.50 | JordiGH | lymeca: And what does /etc/passwd says your home is? |
| 20:33.13 | lymeca | It's /home/lymeca |
| 20:33.19 | abrotman | echo $HOME |
| 20:33.28 | abrotman | ls -l $HOME |
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| 20:34.40 | lymeca | abrotman: Yeah it all checks out. |
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| 20:35.06 | JordiGH | Weird. And your old home has the right IW configs? |
| 20:35.18 | lymeca | IW? |
| 20:35.22 | gpm | iceweasel |
| 20:35.22 | JordiGH | iceweasel |
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| 20:36.00 | lymeca | Oh, right, yes it does. I mean I didn't change them. I can still see my extensions in ~/.mozilla/firefox/dmfhyaeq.default/extensions |
| 20:36.11 | abrotman | strace it ? |
| 20:36.17 | lymeca | They aren't being used though. |
| 20:36.43 | JordiGH | I'd grep the .mozilla directory for any mention of your old username. |
| 20:37.03 | Acu | I have share few files both with nfs and smb on a Debian box - I am trying to access them from another box - some damn authentification is not write - does anyone know what I need to change |
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| 20:37.15 | lymeca | abrotman: What? Sorry can you be more specific? |
| 20:37.31 | pihhan | ah |
| 20:37.37 | JordiGH | Yeah, looks like Iceweasel encodes some full pathnames instaed of relative pathnames. I call this a bug. |
| 20:37.51 | abrotman | strace iceweasel |
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| 20:38.16 | pihhan | is it possible terminal guess encoding from LANG before i had override it in .bashrc? |
| 20:38.37 | JordiGH | E.g. firefox/vvx7pczh.default/xpti.dat contains a reference to /home/jordi/stuffstuffstuff related to extensions instead of ~/stuffstuffstuff |
| 20:38.46 | NefariousPrior | I can't for the life of me get debmirror to work without complaining about a missing gpg key. I have done everything "/msg dpkg no valid key" has asked of me to no avail. Would someone mind giving me a hand? The full output I get is here. --> http://paste.debian.net/29151 |
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| 20:39.16 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 20:39.16 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 20:39.51 | NefariousPrior | That isn't the key ID it's complaining about... should I try that anyway? |
| 20:40.37 | pihhan | key id ADB11277 is what are you looking for |
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| 20:40.55 | NefariousPrior | same command abrotman posted, but alternate key id? |
| 20:41.05 | JordiGH | lymeca: This is an IW-specific problem, right? |
| 20:41.27 | lymeca | Yes. As far as I can tell all my other applications carried over their configurations just fine. |
| 20:41.35 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: you can try them both |
| 20:42.02 | abrotman | NefariousPrior: it won't hurt anything if you already have them |
| 20:42.19 | NefariousPrior | true |
| 20:42.55 | gpm | you should report a bug |
| 20:43.05 | gpm | lymeca: you should report a bug on iceweasel |
| 20:43.09 | JordiGH | Doesn't IW have a mechanism for importing profiles? |
| 20:43.13 | NefariousPrior | Yaayyy! debmirror works. lol |
| 20:43.16 | gpm | yeah it does |
| 20:43.29 | abrotman | gpm: why? |
| 20:43.51 | gpm | abrotman: because iceweasel shouldn't do that. it should use $HOME or ~, not /home/gpm |
| 20:44.03 | lymeca | Arghh |
| 20:44.10 | gpm | abrotman: it's a wishlist bug, to be sure, but it's worth looking at |
| 20:44.12 | NefariousPrior | abrotman, pihhan: thanks 8) |
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| 20:44.29 | gpm | lymeca: relax |
| 20:44.35 | gpm | it's just a computer |
| 20:44.48 | lymeca | I ran "chown -R lymeca:lymeca .mozilla" and now it sees extensions partially |
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| 20:44.54 | lymeca | But they're not working. |
| 20:45.02 | chops | lymeca: ! |
| 20:45.07 | chops | lymeca: Did you change your UID? |
| 20:45.12 | lymeca | No |
| 20:45.17 | gpm | yeah you did |
| 20:45.21 | gpm | if you changed usernames? |
| 20:45.27 | JordiGH | You created a new user. |
| 20:45.30 | JordiGH | That's a new UID. |
| 20:45.30 | lymeca | Nope I used usermod |
| 20:45.42 | chops | lymeca: Do ls -la ~ |
| 20:45.43 | lymeca | I didn't add a new user |
| 20:45.58 | lymeca | I modified the existing one |
| 20:45.58 | chops | lymeca: Do you see any files not owned by lymeca? |
| 20:46.09 | chops | lymeca: Changing the ownership of ~/.mozilla should not have changed anything if all you did was change the username of an existing UID |
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| 20:46.19 | lymeca | Well the symlink /home/lymeca is owned by root:root |
| 20:46.29 | chops | lymeca: Because ~/.mozilla should already have been owned by lymeca |
| 20:46.37 | lymeca | chops: Well the group ownership of .mozilla was the old group name. |
| 20:46.46 | lymeca | It was owned by lymeca the username yes |
| 20:46.53 | abrotman | gpm: i suspect the method by which he switched nicks isn't kosher either :) |
| 20:46.55 | lymeca | But the group name was different... not sure if that matters |
| 20:46.59 | chops | lymeca: Why did anything about your groups change? |
| 20:47.31 | gpm | abrotman: hehe |
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| 20:47.43 | lymeca | I've decided to delete ~/.mozilla completely! |
| 20:47.49 | gpm | lymeca: what iceweasel settings do you need |
| 20:48.05 | chops | lymeca: Righty-o then, good luck |
| 20:48.07 | lymeca | Extensions, themes (okay that's not too important), and which windows I have open right now. |
| 20:48.09 | gpm | lymeca: first make a copy of .mozilla/firefox/[yourprofilename] |
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| 20:48.25 | gpm | lymeca: what do you mean which windows? |
| 20:48.32 | lymeca | Which tabs I guess |
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| 20:48.35 | gpm | lymeca: like, your current session? |
| 20:48.42 | gpm | lymeca: you want it to restore session? |
| 20:48.46 | lymeca | I have 3 windows in IW open with many tabs apiece... yes my current session. |
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| 20:49.25 | gpm | lymeca: ok, make a copy of your config dir (~/.mozilla/firefox/[yourprofile.default]) and put it somewhere in a safe place |
| 20:49.29 | gpm | then rm -fr .mozilla |
| 20:49.39 | gpm | then copy back the stuff you want |
| 20:49.41 | gpm | extensions |
| 20:49.43 | gpm | session |
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| 20:50.01 | gpm | (bookmarks) |
| 20:50.04 | deviance | Hi, Whats ubuntu? |
| 20:50.09 | gpm | !ubuntu |
| 20:50.09 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 20:50.20 | JordiGH | deviance: A distro based on Debian. |
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| 20:50.38 | gpm | JordiGH: we're tools, and he's a troll (i bet) |
| 20:50.39 | deviance | And kubuntu? |
| 20:50.43 | gpm | yep |
| 20:50.45 | gpm | i was right |
| 20:50.51 | deviance | that knome? |
| 20:50.57 | gpm | deviance: /j #ubuntu |
| 20:50.58 | infester | deviance: same thing but with KDE |
| 20:51.01 | gpm | deviance: ask them |
| 20:51.03 | deviance | Oh |
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| 20:51.05 | deviance | Thanks |
| 20:51.14 | infester | Ubuntu use gnome and kubuntu kde |
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| 20:51.35 | gpm | phew |
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| 20:52.14 | gpm | lymeca: good luck. at least if it doesn't work you'll still have a copy of the settings that did work at one point and you can continue experimenting |
| 20:52.20 | gpm | o/o |
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| 20:53.05 | Acu | help - when I try to access an NFS trough Konqueror I get message : Authorization failed - autorozation not accepted - what should I do ? |
| 20:53.36 | chops | Acu: Can you mount the NFS share normally, without Konq? |
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| 20:54.07 | Acu | chops: nope - I used to but not anymore |
| 20:54.25 | lymeca | yay! My session, extensions, themes, bookmarks are all working now! |
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| 20:54.43 | chops | Acu: Is it possible that the authentication information required by the server changed, then? |
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| 20:54.51 | JordiGH | lymeca: What was the fix? |
| 20:55.46 | Acu | chops: I used the following syntax mount -t 192.168.0.5/TEST1 /home/ida01/tt |
| 20:55.47 | chops | Acu: You might want '-t nfs' |
| 20:55.47 | Acu | chops: how can I check authentication info in the server ? |
| 20:55.47 | lymeca | And I'm glad I cleaned out my old ~/.mozilla/ There were firefox, firefoxbak, iceweasel, and iceweaselbak directories in it from the iceweasel package changing the location of settings in unstable a couple times. All cleaned up now! |
| 20:55.47 | chops | Acu: Ask the server administrator |
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| 20:55.47 | Acu | chops I have the access to the server as root |
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| 20:56.15 | lymeca | JordiGH: Deleting ~/.mozilla, restarting Iceweasel, and manually copying over files that looked important from my old IW config dir to the new one in ~/.mozilla/ |
| 20:56.15 | chops | Acu: Check the server's configuration, then; look in its logs (and in the client logs, FWIW) |
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| 20:57.04 | lymeca | Thanks for your help! I'm going to make some eggs now... |
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| 20:58.14 | light_ | hello guys, i'm getting a very wierd message from apt-get install |
| 20:58.17 | light_ | http://pastebin.ca/520059 |
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| 21:00.32 | light_ | hello guys, i'm getting a very wierd message from apt-get install | link: http://pastebin.ca/520059 |
| 21:00.38 | chops | light_: Have you recently edited sources.list so that your current repo is older than the last time you upgraded? |
| 21:00.44 | chops | light_: We heard you the first time :-) |
| 21:00.55 | cydork | light_: what did you do?? |
| 21:01.16 | light_ | oh, i thought you didn't get the link |
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| 21:01.28 | bokey | light_, yup. did you change your /etc/apt/sources.list recently ? |
| 21:01.49 | light_ | ok, thats the deal.. i had unstable repos, i changed them to testing |
| 21:01.55 | tarzeau | haha |
| 21:01.58 | cydork | !bobbit |
| 21:01.58 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:01.58 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:02.04 | cydork | !bobbitt |
| 21:02.04 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 21:02.12 | Hiryu | exim4 is showing all my emails as arriving 7 hours ahead but my timezone is set correctly, any idea how o fix that? |
| 21:02.45 | light_ | what she did to her husband? LOL |
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| 21:03.07 | tarzeau | light_: not funny |
| 21:03.11 | Zesturian | Anyone know of a solution for remote copying, but only if the file does not exist or the integrity is not intact? |
| 21:03.15 | Hiryu | light_: look it up on wikipedia.. |
| 21:03.22 | tarzeau | Zesturian: rsync? |
| 21:03.40 | jelly-home | light_: cut off his woody |
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| 21:03.58 | gulbrain | anyone else found root file system becoming read-only during clamscan ? |
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| 21:04.10 | Zesturian | tarzeau, thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 21:04.22 | light_ | ok, so my answers are in http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html ? |
| 21:04.31 | jelly-home | gulbrain: the scanner stubled on a filesystem error, you need to fsck. |
| 21:05.02 | jelly-home | gulbrain: check dmesg or /var/log/kern.log to see if that's the case |
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| 21:07.11 | en1gma | man i got debian running smooth as sild |
| 21:07.14 | en1gma | silk* |
| 21:07.23 | en1gma | everything is working perfect |
| 21:07.33 | en1gma | took along time to get there but i think its done |
| 21:07.40 | gulbrain | :-( dmesg ends with lines containing "UncorrectableError"; ide: failed opcode: unknown; unable to read inode block. Bad disk ? |
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| 21:09.05 | jelly-home | gulars: There can be a number of reasons. It's possible that it's just a stray filesystem error. Or your memory may be bad. Or the disk, yes. |
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| 21:10.21 | light_ | http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html : this is how i "downgraded" my system (exept the priority:1001 which i assigned to "testing") [only the first two paragraphs] |
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| 21:10.40 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 21:10.40 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 21:11.55 | gulbrain | Thanks jelly-home. Maybe I need to write this machine off altogether. Time for a screwdriver and another case.... |
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| 21:12.08 | light_ | cydork, its just to many packages to downgrade.. |
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| 21:12.37 | cydork | light_: it's just not possible with apt-get at the moment. |
| 21:13.08 | cydork | light_: safely that is :) |
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| 21:13.52 | light_ | cydork, oh, so my soloution is or to reinstall debian testing or to go unstable again? |
| 21:14.26 | cydork | light_: what do you want to do exactly? |
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| 21:15.11 | chops | light_: You can switch your sources.list to testing, and just wait for testing to catch up to unstable (i.e. not ugprade for a while) |
| 21:15.24 | light_ | cydork, installing libc6-dev so i can compile packages that are not int the repos |
| 21:15.34 | light_ | chops, it could take a whil |
| 21:15.35 | DawnLight | will i experience an emotional breakdown installing debian from a SATA optical drive? |
| 21:15.39 | light_ | while* |
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| 21:15.55 | chops | light_: For that, you can just change back to unstable and install libc6-dev from unstable |
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| 21:16.20 | chops | light_: It could. However, if there's no pressing problem with waiting a while to ugprade anything, it will get you back to a testing system. |
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| 21:16.28 | PaSurf | how does one change the MTU in Debian? |
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| 21:16.45 | chops | light_: And you can do minor aptitude operations (minor like _not_ involving libc6) in the meantime, and get packages from testing |
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| 21:16.53 | light_ | chops, ok, thanks for the advice |
| 21:16.56 | peppe | PaSurf: ifconfig [iface] mtu N? |
| 21:17.02 | cydork | light_: just use libc6-dev from unstable. |
| 21:17.07 | Alarm | hello , does anyone know if there is a math application that solves integrals step by step ? |
| 21:17.10 | en1gma | how do i clean out the trash (the trash can is empty) yet if i goto /root/.local/share/Trash i have 2gigs of crap in there |
| 21:17.18 | light_ | cydork, in proccess :P |
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| 21:17.26 | chops | en1gma: rm the files you don't want? |
| 21:17.28 | DawnLight | Alarm: there must be |
| 21:17.30 | nhuisman_work | are you logged in as root? |
| 21:17.34 | nhuisman_work | to X |
| 21:17.35 | dondelelcaro | PaSurf: man 5 interfaces; and search for mtu, then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:17.42 | en1gma | i didnt think you could login as root |
| 21:17.46 | en1gma | does it let you? |
| 21:17.51 | Alarm | DawnLight, mypad as much i saw doesnt seem to do that |
| 21:17.54 | nhuisman_work | you must have at one point since you have that trash |
| 21:18.00 | KeepW | how can i pass 2 parameters to kernel via option-129 on dhcpd.conf? i mean, i have to pass MOPT and NIC parameters... |
| 21:18.00 | DawnLight | Alarm: packages.debian.com and search in package descriptions |
| 21:18.04 | nhuisman_work | i'd just rm it manually at this point |
| 21:18.16 | en1gma | i figured it out on accident (look a glitch) |
| 21:18.19 | nhuisman_work | your user trash is probably stored in /home/<username>/.local/share/Trash |
| 21:18.22 | nhuisman_work | so it looks empty |
| 21:18.38 | en1gma | ok let me look |
| 21:18.39 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 21:18.44 | DawnLight | will i experience an emotional breakdown installing debian from a SATA optical drive? I've never done that. does it work out of the box? i am guessing it does |
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| 21:19.29 | peppe | DawnLight: if the installer recognizes sata chipset && disk there will be no problem |
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| 21:20.02 | light_ | cydork, exellent :P its finaly installs |
| 21:20.19 | en1gma | [11:17] <nhuisman_work> your user trash is probably stored in /home/<username>/.local/share/Trash <<<< = empty |
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| 21:20.26 | en1gma | must be the /root then |
| 21:20.28 | nhuisman_work | yeah exactly |
| 21:20.40 | en1gma | ill just use filemanager superuser |
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| 21:20.43 | light_ | another question, how can i add "spell check ability" to xchat and gaim? |
| 21:20.43 | nhuisman_work | just saying your X sees your trash bin which is empty |
| 21:20.50 | en1gma | ahhh |
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| 21:21.09 | nhuisman_work | light_, usually you need aspell |
| 21:21.12 | cydork | light_: install spell or ispell for xchat. |
| 21:21.21 | light_ | thanks |
| 21:21.22 | nhuisman_work | ispell too? |
| 21:21.45 | peppe | stupid bug question: http://bugs.debian.org/414395 is it right to set "wishlist" severity? the maintainer set wrong build-depends, so a stable and important feature isn't enabled |
| 21:21.49 | cydork | nhuisman_work: na i forget if aspell or ispell. |
| 21:21.56 | en1gma | im gonna have to try and login as root |
| 21:22.08 | en1gma | filemanager only lets me "move to trash" and not delete |
| 21:22.09 | nhuisman_work | en1gma, you can just su |
| 21:22.16 | nhuisman_work | on a terminal |
| 21:22.23 | en1gma | ok 1 sec |
| 21:22.43 | dondelelcaro | peppe: adding a feature is almost always wishlist |
| 21:22.55 | nhuisman_work | su - && rm -r /root/local/share/Trash/* |
| 21:22.58 | nhuisman_work | err |
| 21:23.03 | nhuisman_work | su - && rm -r /root/.local/share/Trash/* |
| 21:23.07 | jelly-home | gulars: I'd do a fsck first, and possibly test the memory (memtest86+) after |
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| 21:23.42 | xand | nhuisman_work: you can't use su like that |
| 21:24.01 | peppe | dondelelcaro: is not "adding", is "enabling" a feature (because of a missing build-depend wxwidgets headers are missing at build time, the configure disables it) |
| 21:24.04 | nhuisman_work | i guess not since the shell will change |
| 21:24.40 | dondelelcaro | peppe: it's a new feature, so enabling it is wishlist. The maintainer will most likely enable it in the next build |
| 21:24.42 | Bogus8 | would anyone care to glance over this article and give it a thumbs up or down for accuracy and such? http://everythinglinux.org/rsync/ |
| 21:25.06 | Bogus8 | I'm looking to learn about rsync and trying to find some good articles to read |
| 21:25.12 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: besides the fact that it's ancient |
| 21:25.23 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: that's exactly the stuff I need to know |
| 21:25.32 | Bogus8 | ah... haha updated 1999 :( |
| 21:25.35 | Bogus8 | oops :) |
| 21:25.49 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: the manpages relaly are fairly complete; I personally think you'd be able to figure it out if you had a few tasks to do using rsync, and figured out the commands to do them |
| 21:26.04 | streuner | Bogus8: "that's exactly the stuff.." is easier to say .. ;-) |
| 21:26.05 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: if you did that, and got stuck, you can always ask questions here. |
| 21:26.09 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's just one hellava man page :) |
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| 21:26.23 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: well, the majority of the options you can ignore |
| 21:26.25 | nhuisman_work | Bogus8, what are you looking to do with rsync? |
| 21:26.34 | nhuisman_work | I just use rsync -a source dest |
| 21:26.40 | nhuisman_work | pretty much takes care of everything. |
| 21:26.42 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: skip to the EXAMPLES section |
| 21:26.50 | nhuisman_work | maybe --delete sometimes. |
| 21:27.00 | dondelelcaro | I personally recommend -avP, but YMMV> |
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| 21:27.02 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: right..that's what I was hoping an article would do (weed out the non-relevant) |
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| 21:27.37 | Bogus8 | nhuisman_work: well, right now just move some things from my old server to my new one (just personal server nothing mission critical... it's for the experience) |
| 21:27.46 | chops | Bogus8: man pages are generally meant to be complete references, they're generally terrible as newbie documentation |
| 21:27.46 | nhuisman_work | yeah just use -avP |
| 21:27.47 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: the options you really need to know about are -a, -v, -p, --delete, --update, and maybe --exclude |
| 21:27.54 | dondelelcaro | s/p/P/ |
| 21:28.00 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, I use the same set. |
| 21:28.03 | en1gma | nice that worked |
| 21:28.03 | Bogus8 | nhuisman_work: but then I'm thinking of eventually doing some online back ups to my house using rsync from a remote location |
| 21:28.14 | chops | Bogus8: Try googling 'rsync howto'. A 'howto' is secret Linux code for newbie documentation that omits expert-oriented details |
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| 21:28.37 | Bogus8 | chops: yeah, I'm not total newb but when dealing with something out of the norm like rsync I might as well be |
| 21:29.18 | chops | Bogus8: Yeah, I didn't mean to offend you :-). I just meant that for someone unfamiliar with rsync, who wants to know the 2-3 magic options that are the right ones to use, a howto is the type of documentation you want. |
| 21:29.18 | Bogus8 | I want to eventually be using rsync through ssh and such when I do the online backups |
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| 21:29.46 | Bogus8 | chops: no offence, you are completely right... some man pages are torture for the inexperienced |
| 21:29.46 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, what's the difference between just -a and adding in update |
| 21:30.14 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: it skips files that are newer on the receiver |
| 21:30.15 | nhuisman_work | just forces the dates to not matter? |
| 21:30.34 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: for example, if you're synking two machines, it keeps you from clobering locally modified files |
| 21:30.39 | minerale | I'm not sure why but whenever I start this one service: lighttpd the start-stop daemon does not create a pid file |
| 21:30.48 | minerale | it does delete the pid file if I create it manually |
| 21:30.50 | nhuisman_work | k makes sense. |
| 21:31.10 | minerale | but /etc/init.d/lighttpd start -> does not create a pid file |
| 21:31.28 | dondelelcaro | minerale: the lighttpd process generally should be making a pid file; if start-stop-daemon needs to, then it may not have the right options passed. |
| 21:31.36 | Bogus8 | so an rsync daemon is still something I should set up on my new server (for future online backups) right? |
| 21:31.45 | nhuisman_work | bogus8 i would just use ssh |
| 21:31.47 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: not really necessary |
| 21:31.47 | floundering | Hi, I have "root=UUID=30faba... " in grub and also "UUID=30faba... / ext3 defau..." in fstab. /dev/disk/by-uuid/30faba... (sd?3) mounts under knoppix (and debian) and is my debian root. At boot, the "sd?10" partition gets mounted on /root/ instead of "sd?3" although busybox mount reports /dev/disk/by-uuid/30faba... as being mounted on "/root".... |
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| 21:32.07 | Bogus8 | nhuisman_work: you mean vs the daemon? |
| 21:32.11 | nhuisman_work | yeah |
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| 21:32.22 | Bogus8 | cool, that will make this much less painful I think |
| 21:33.02 | nhuisman_work | dondelelcaro, although is rsync via the daemon fasteR? |
| 21:33.03 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman_work: slightly, but that's just because it doesn't have the ssh overhead. You won't really notice it |
| 21:33.19 | nhuisman_work | yeah I noticed overhead from ssh, i wonder how much less it is. |
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| 21:34.08 | Bogus8 | and if I'm rsyncing "private" data I should definitely be using ssh vs straight rsync any how |
| 21:34.29 | nhuisman_work | you can force ssh via --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh |
| 21:34.37 | xand | Bogus8: if you rsync to a remoteh host, it uses ssh by default |
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| 21:35.57 | minerale | dondelelcaro: this is a fresh lighttpd installation from debian etch |
| 21:35.57 | xand | so you don't need to enable it |
| 21:35.57 | minerale | even when I do it manually: sudo start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/lighttpd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/lighttpd -- -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf |
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| 21:35.58 | Bogus8 | xand: thanks, didn't realize that |
| 21:35.58 | minerale | it fails, it never kills iit |
| 21:35.58 | fsimon | Hi folks, I am installing Sarge and try to use the source http://security.debian.org/. But now I receive an error (404). How can I fix this? |
| 21:35.58 | minerale | (I mean it does not create a pid file, which in turn makes it unkillable via the standard procedure ) |
| 21:35.58 | dondelelcaro | minerale: does the conffile specify the proper pidfile? |
| 21:35.58 | fsimon | What is the correct source for updates? |
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| 21:36.17 | dondelelcaro | fsimon: visit http://security.debian.org; it'll tell you the right entry. Just substitute sarge for etch. |
| 21:36.17 | xand | fsimon: why are you installing sarge? |
| 21:36.27 | minerale | dondelelcaro: ah no it does not, thanks... I thought it was the daemon that created it |
| 21:36.45 | dondelelcaro | minerale: nah, it's lighthttpd that does |
| 21:37.03 | dondelelcaro | (start-stop-daemon *can*, but you generally don't want it to, cause it's often wrong) |
| 21:37.07 | fsimon | xand, I need to test a old software. |
| 21:37.37 | fsimon | dondelelcaro, I saw... Just change for etch? Will work correctly? |
| 21:38.04 | dondelelcaro | fsimon: yes. |
| 21:38.08 | fsimon | the updates for etch will work correctl for sarge? |
| 21:38.10 | fsimon | ok... |
| 21:38.15 | fsimon | I will try... |
| 21:38.19 | dondelelcaro | fsimon: no, replace etch with sarge in that url. |
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| 21:39.32 | fsimon | dondelelcaro, but I already had this: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:39.39 | fsimon | in my source list... |
| 21:39.52 | dondelelcaro | fsimon: that's correct; run apt-get update; then. |
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| 21:40.08 | fsimon | But I receive the 404 error.... |
| 21:40.22 | floundering | in short, it seems the wrong root partition is being mounted at boot. what is going on? |
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| 21:41.06 | fsimon | dondelelcaro, I'm installing the Sarge... just after the firat reboot.... |
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| 21:43.10 | colkhis | when I run. $ locale -a. I get only "en_US.utf8". howcan I enable other utf8 locales? |
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| 21:43.41 | Ace2016 | how do i install beryl, what repo is it in? i looked here http://www.beryl-project.org/distros.php but no help, and i did a package search here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages for unstable, no luck |
| 21:44.13 | dondelelcaro | fsimon: you shouldn't be receiving a 404 when you run apt-get update. |
| 21:44.38 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: beryl isn't packaged; since it's merging with compiz, that's all that has been packaged (TTBOMK) |
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| 21:44.47 | Ace2016 | omg!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:44.52 | Ace2016 | :'( |
| 21:44.58 | chops | fsimon: Can you paste your exact sources.list in the pastebin? |
| 21:45.19 | fsimon | dondelelcaro, chops, solved.... |
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| 21:45.36 | motin | After running dpkg-reconfigure for a certain package the configuration script halt due to a non-critical error. How can I find the script to be able to correct this bug? |
| 21:45.52 | dondelelcaro | motin: use a paste site to paste the entire output of the dpkg-reconfigure run |
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| 21:46.04 | dondelelcaro | motin: the scrit is located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foopkg.config |
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| 21:46.21 | motin | dondelelcaro: aha. I'll post both then. thanks for the quick reply |
| 21:46.24 | fsimon | A little problem, I saw in the page that dondelelcaro and fixed my source |
| 21:47.45 | grendal_prime | i got a box with an array of sata drives in it. on an adaptec controller, the install works fine, but when the machine goes to boot, it error 21's |
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| 21:51.25 | grendal_prime | and yes i am using a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 21:51.47 | motin | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/520279 |
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| 21:53.44 | helpppp | hello friend... please tell me where is deabin binary reposatery..... |
| 21:53.47 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: grub error 21s? |
| 21:53.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell helpppp -about mirror |
| 21:54.04 | helpppp | ?i am trying to download squashfs.deb (the binary package) |
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| 21:54.20 | fsimon | How can I remove all the pachages for X (KDE and Gnome) ? |
| 21:54.48 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: ya |
| 21:54.51 | motin | dondelelcaro: but that script doesn't look like the one producing the error. you sure? |
| 21:54.54 | cydork | !remove kde |
| 21:54.54 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 21:54.57 | grendal_prime | after the entire installation works. |
| 21:55.02 | marcrosoft | hi, is there a way to compress a folder with tar.gz and save the file with the date in the filename? |
| 21:55.09 | cydork | fsimon: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 21:55.41 | motin | marcrosoft: so there is. i'll send you a sample in a min |
| 21:55.42 | dondelelcaro | motin: that's part of it; the other half is /var/lib/dpkg/info/boxbackup-server.postinst |
| 21:56.07 | motin | dondelelcaro: aha. thanks. then I'll probably find the problem |
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| 21:56.29 | dondelelcaro | marcrosoft: use something like tar -zcf foo_$(date +%Y%m%d).tar.gz bar bleah bleargh; or similar. man tar; man date; |
| 21:56.57 | marcrosoft | I wasnt sure if you could use bash commands without shell scripting.. ill try that... thanks |
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| 21:57.00 | motin | dondelelcaro: you got there before me |
| 21:57.22 | marcrosoft | thanks anyways motin :) |
| 21:57.32 | dondelelcaro | marcrosoft: every command on a shell is like a line in a shell script |
| 21:57.55 | motin | marcrosoft: I have a shell script that stores files in subdirs depending on date. you want it? |
| 21:58.35 | marcrosoft | maybe, hold on let me see if I can figure this out without it |
| 21:58.43 | grendal_prime | aparently the install never saw the array. it just installed everything to the second drive. dondelelcaro does that make any sence? |
| 21:58.48 | solemnwarning | Is there a package containing the dovecot 'deliver' MDA? |
| 21:58.49 | grendal_prime | its a hd array |
| 21:58.55 | motin | marcrosoft: in case it is helpful: http://pastebin.ca/520308 |
| 21:59.02 | grendal_prime | sorry its a hardware array |
| 21:59.03 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: which adaptec card is it? [Some of those are software raid cards, unfortunatly.] |
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| 21:59.28 | Bogus8 | anyone have any experience with SATA raid cards (hardware raid 5)... looking for model recomendations... obviously the less $ the better :) |
| 21:59.40 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: the best in my opinion are the 3ware line. |
| 21:59.44 | MiK[3]Zz | Bogus8: :) |
| 21:59.54 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, they were; others may be good now) |
| 22:00.22 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: looking around at them now... thanks |
| 22:00.28 | dondelelcaro | any hardware raid card will generally put you back around $70 per port, though. |
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| 22:02.11 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: yeah, I made him aware it would be pricey... he is about to shell out 2500 for data recovery so he's not too scared to spend... but I know him, he's still a tightwad |
| 22:02.37 | talisker | How do I change the MTU size of my NIC? |
| 22:02.53 | dondelelcaro | talisker: by using ifconfig fooifcae mtu blahlbahblah; man ifconfig. |
| 22:03.02 | dondelelcaro | (man 5 interfaces; to make it permanent) |
| 22:03.09 | motin | Hmm... I keep getting "[: 204: -z: unexpected operator" from a post install script (http://pastebin.ca/520311) |
| 22:03.38 | motin | sorry wasnt meant for this channel as I am running ubuntu. debian parts of my problems are solved |
| 22:03.41 | talisker | thanks |
| 22:04.39 | floundering | /dev/disk/by-uuid/30faba... under knoppix (and debian) is my debian root partition. At boot however, /dev/disk/by-uuid/30faba... points to my /home partition (boot fails). can anyone help wth this? |
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| 22:08.31 | valdyn | solemnwarning: the package 'deliver' ? |
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| 22:09.13 | valdyn | solemnwarning: nm, i guess that's a different one, see /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver |
| 22:09.14 | DawnLight | thanks peppe |
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| 22:09.40 | Bogus8 | another opinion wanted... for a application server (the executables just reside on a SAMBA share and aren't actually running ont he server) ... it's a networked database type program (scheduling and all sorts of things) should I go Raid 5 or 1 ? |
| 22:09.55 | Bogus8 | about 4 users max |
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| 22:11.31 | valdyn | Bogus8: raid5 should be fast enough if that is what you ask. However the decision between those 2 isnt really that simple |
| 22:12.05 | Bogus8 | valdyn: right it's cost vs performance... raid 5 is faster than raid 1 but I have to buy a 3rd disk |
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| 22:12.28 | valdyn | Bogus8: having several raid1 over 1 raid5 is also more secure |
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| 22:13.05 | Bogus8 | valdyn: right... but it's either going to be two disk in a mirror raid 1 or three disk in a raid 5 |
| 22:13.31 | valdyn | Bogus8: no reason to use raid5 then imo |
| 22:13.50 | Bogus8 | raid 1 takes a slight performance hit on writes... that was my only concern |
| 22:14.10 | Kurtism | hey folks.... if I have debian installed with just the consol... what aptitude command is best for getting a full desktop with kde and optionally gnome? |
| 22:14.23 | Kurtism | aptitude install kde? |
| 22:14.23 | aptitude | it has been said that install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:14.45 | valdyn | Kurtism: aptitude install xorg kde |
| 22:14.54 | Kurtism | yeah, that's all there is to it eh |
| 22:15.01 | valdyn | Kurtism: uh, or aptitude install gnome kde xorg |
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| 22:16.13 | Kurtism | I'm going to get a wireless keyboard and mouse too |
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| 22:17.59 | Kalisto | if anyone is familiar with pam please can you take a look at these logs, im using loopback encryption and having trouble unmounting: http://rafb.net/p/xEriB013.html |
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| 22:19.48 | vyrus001 | is it possible to setup a raid aray AFER i have setup a lvf array ? |
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| 22:23.51 | mrsn0 | Kalisto what have you put in your pam config? |
| 22:24.23 | marcrosoft | I want to delete files that start with db_ and are older than 1 month... what would i use in a shell script and can i test a delete command without deleting and without waiting a month :) |
| 22:24.47 | Kurtism | any of you ever using one of those generic USB wireless remote controlls to control your Debian Box? |
| 22:24.54 | Kurtism | the gui and such |
| 22:24.57 | dondelelcaro | marcrosoft: use find+xargs+rm to do that, and you can use touch to create the files. man find xargs touch |
| 22:25.22 | dondelelcaro | Kurtism: you probably can, but you'll find that the wireless usb keyboards tend to work better. |
| 22:25.23 | Kalisto | mrsn0, pam_mount.conf: volume crypto auto - /home/crypto.img /home/crypto loop,user,exec,encryption=aes,keybits=128 aes-128-ecb /home/crypto.key |
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| 22:25.42 | david-work | Any have any idea why my pgup, pgdn, home, insert, end and delete keys change the higlighted letter to uppercase instead of navigateing like it should? |
| 22:25.46 | Kurtism | dondelelcaro: I want it to control MYTHTV |
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| 22:25.57 | dondelelcaro | Kurtism: yes; I suggest using a keyboard to do that |
| 22:26.13 | Kurtism | hmmmmm |
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| 22:26.26 | Kalisto | mrsn0, i followed this short tutorial: http://felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2006/08/19/encrypted-home-on-ubuntu-using-cryptoloop/ |
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| 22:26.41 | marcrosoft | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 22:27.08 | dondelelcaro | marcrosoft: np |
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| 22:27.52 | Kurtism | my VDR setup was controlled strictly from the Remote that came with my DVB card.... as the VDR gui was output through the Full Featured DVB card's audio video output.... I had no X at all pure consol box... I admin it via ssh and wifi |
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| 22:28.18 | karsten | david-work: Sounds like your keyboard / keymap are wrong. X? |
| 22:28.34 | david-work | xorg. default debian config |
| 22:28.47 | david-work | I am converting from gentoo :P |
| 22:28.50 | pickcoder | Kurtism: there are a few IR remotes that should work with the KDE IR remote setup |
| 22:28.54 | david-work | im kinda regreting it so far |
| 22:28.58 | david-work | nothing but issues |
| 22:29.07 | david-work | gentoo and debian are a tad diffrent |
| 22:29.16 | karsten | david-work: What's your keyboard make? What's your preferred mode? In general: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:29.43 | karsten | david-work: ... which only works if you haven't manually modified your xorg conffile. xkeycaps is also your friend. |
| 22:29.54 | karsten | david-work: Debian has issues, but doesn't offer to build them for you. |
| 22:30.04 | david-work | thinks is karsten the keys work fine except in vim :/ |
| 22:30.17 | karsten | david-work: Grok policy and read the apt howto and you're going to be a long way ahead. |
| 22:30.23 | karsten | david-work: Um. ~/.vimrc? |
| 22:30.35 | david-work | i thought so to |
| 22:30.51 | david-work | but i cant find any settings that pertains to those keys |
| 22:30.51 | david-work | :/ |
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| 22:33.38 | mrsn0 | Kalisto im not sure about the error really , but it looks like permissions / authentication obviously |
| 22:33.56 | mrsn0 | i have seen encfs and other methods mentioned on debian-administration.org and http://www.debianadmin.com/filesystem-encryption-tools-for-linux.html |
| 22:34.45 | Kalisto | mrsn0, it seems that when i logout pam tries to unmount, but only root can unmount. |
| 22:34.48 | mrsn0 | maybe something in /etc/pam.d/login? |
| 22:35.18 | eldowan | software raid in debian works off of block devices, correct? In theory, if you were able to map a block device to a remote machine's block device, could you have a raid setup in which one or more of the raid devices weren't locally attached? |
| 22:35.24 | mrsn0 | you could turn on debugging in pam_mount.conf and hopefully that shows more info |
| 22:36.00 | Kalisto | mrsn0, i found this link: http://www.visionwebhosting.net/spain-web-hosting/SpainHostingCookbook0171.htm |
| 22:36.36 | karsten | david-work: Try renaming your .vimrc and see if that changes anything. |
| 22:36.43 | mrsn0 | ah its not suid root |
| 22:36.44 | david-work | no |
| 22:36.47 | david-work | it does not :/ |
| 22:37.00 | karsten | david-work: Or better: create a new account (testuser) and see if you still have the problem. That will isolate the problem to user configs or system. |
| 22:37.02 | mrsn0 | that would explain it then Kalisto |
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| 22:37.21 | david-work | ok |
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| 22:39.44 | pickcoder | david-work: what keys are mismapped? |
| 22:40.26 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, do you know is there is any odt/doc files viewer? |
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| 22:40.46 | Kalisto | mrsn0, i just don't know how to do the workaround |
| 22:41.09 | eldowan | gonzaloaf_work: open office, star office, koffice, gnome office? |
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| 22:41.34 | gonzaloaf_work | eldowan, just viewer not editor |
| 22:41.35 | mrsn0 | man chmod Kalisto |
| 22:41.36 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: CLI: lesspipe |
| 22:41.52 | cydork | gonzaloaf_work: catdoc, wv |
| 22:42.34 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: ... or what cydork said. GUI: abiword, openoffice |
| 22:42.37 | david-work | pickcoder, the pgup pgdn home and end keys change the highlighted letter to uppercase in vim |
| 22:42.43 | david-work | new user has same issue :/ |
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| 22:43.01 | rocketmagnet | hello, where do i find my system fonts (etch) |
| 22:43.03 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 22:43.06 | karsten | david-work: xkeycaps then, and see what the keysyms are. |
| 22:43.15 | gonzaloaf_work | cydork, karsten : I need a GUI... but just a viewer |
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| 22:43.21 | rocketmagnet | or what extension do they have ? |
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| 22:45.08 | vyrus001 | anybody have a good howto on vfs ? |
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| 22:45.50 | Ankman | no |
| 22:45.52 | Ankman | ;-) |
| 22:45.55 | karsten | rocketmagnet: /usr/share/fonts, /etc/X11/fonts. pfb, pfm, afm, ttf |
| 22:46.00 | cydork | gonzaloaf_work: wv can convert it pdf afaik. you can view pdf in what ever you want. |
| 22:46.07 | Kalisto | mrsn0, here is a detailed debug output of pam_mount: http://rafb.net/p/4exzlb36.html |
| 22:46.10 | Ankman | anybosy has a Compaq 1750 notebook, quite old? |
| 22:46.12 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Not aware of something that _just_ views. |
| 22:46.36 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Again, what cydork said. PDF or PS are your best view-only bets. |
| 22:46.50 | david-work | karsten, xkeys shows it correct it vim :/ |
| 22:46.54 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Personally I like less w/ lesspipe, which IIRC invokes wv behind the scenes. |
| 22:46.57 | karsten | david-work: :-( |
| 22:47.08 | david-work | why the hell does debian install all these apps with there own conf |
| 22:47.15 | david-work | let me conf it sheez |
| 22:47.17 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, yeah I know that.. the problem is that my clients will do just a double click over their *.doc files |
| 22:47.18 | david-work | debian.vim |
| 22:47.20 | pickcoder | david-work: are you launching vim from a shell window or a shortcut |
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| 22:47.25 | david-work | shell |
| 22:47.34 | pickcoder | what does ENV say the term is |
| 22:47.50 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Debian desktop project kind of thing? You're handing out Linux to end-users? |
| 22:48.04 | karsten | david-work: The configs tend to be sane defaults. |
| 22:48.14 | david-work | i see that |
| 22:48.29 | karsten | david-work: You're offered the opportunity to configure tools yourself, and if you do that, Debian _won't_ change same w/o asking you. |
| 22:48.53 | karsten | david-work: Yeah, $SHELL and local ($LANG, $LC_ALL) are what I'd look at. |
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| 22:49.07 | david-work | ok thanks man it could be my term also |
| 22:49.34 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, I have a LTSP server, my server has debian installed, so my clients are low resources computers... and I dont want them to spend time writing docs, just taking a fast look to them |
| 22:49.58 | pickcoder | gonzaloaf_work: are the documents temporary or are they being stored for viewing? |
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| 22:50.18 | david-work | karsten, it has to be vim the keys work everywhere else |
| 22:50.38 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+ms+word+document+viewer |
| 22:50.41 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: GIYF. |
| 22:50.53 | karsten | david-work: That's another good hypothesis. |
| 22:51.03 | gonzaloaf_work | pickcoder, usually my clients will insert their usb key and copy it to the Desktop, then they will do a double-click over their files, think of them as a windows users |
| 22:51.04 | david-work | but why is vim such a brat |
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| 22:51.52 | karsten | david-work: strace it or gdb it. |
| 22:51.57 | gonzaloaf_work | pickcoder, What I want is just to see the content of their files but in a friendly way, like a GUI |
| 22:52.07 | david-work | ya im going to good idea |
| 22:52.11 | karsten | david-work: Might have to build a non-stripped version for debugs. |
| 22:52.34 | karsten | Those keys (pgup/down home/end) work fine here BTW. |
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| 22:54.20 | pickcoder | david-work: what does ENV say the term is in your shell |
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| 22:54.46 | karsten | david-work: PageUp: CeyCode: Page Up 0x63 99 0143. KeySym: Prior. PageDown: KeyCode Page Down 0x69 105 0151. KeySym: Next. |
| 22:54.52 | david-work | echo $TERM |
| 22:54.52 | david-work | vt100 |
| 22:54.57 | david-work | thats the reason |
| 22:55.27 | david-work | yup |
| 22:55.29 | david-work | all fixed |
| 22:55.33 | karsten | TERM=rxvt-unicode. LANG (undefined). Locale: POSIX. |
| 22:55.39 | david-work | why the hell is it set to vt100 |
| 22:55.40 | karsten | david-work: Bad term setting? |
| 22:55.43 | david-work | yah |
| 22:55.50 | karsten | david-work: ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile. |
| 22:55.53 | david-work | thanks guys |
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| 22:55.58 | karsten | david-work: Where'd you port 'em from? |
| 22:56.08 | david-work | there debian default |
| 22:56.12 | karsten | david-work: NP. Welcome aboard. |
| 22:56.16 | david-work | thanks :D |
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| 22:56.27 | david-work | I got tierd of waiting for compiles |
| 22:56.30 | karsten | Local login or remote? |
| 22:56.33 | karsten | Heh. |
| 22:56.33 | david-work | local |
| 22:56.37 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 22:56.53 | david-work | I prob messed something in the install uyp |
| 22:56.55 | karsten | Should be "linux" (at console) or matching your terminal under X. |
| 22:57.53 | karsten | "xterm" is a pretty good default for random systems. I find Debian tends to do better w/ term configs than a lot of toher systems. Currently fighting RHEL3/4, SuSE, AIX, HPUX, and Solaris. |
| 22:58.04 | karsten | I've got a heavily hacked .bashrc on all to deal with term crap. |
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| 22:59.54 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: wvWare may offer you the PS/PDF conversion for you. |
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| 23:00.44 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
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| 23:01.38 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:01.39 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: ... repeating cydork's comment, I see. |
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| 23:01.50 | karsten | Well, that about covers it. |
| 23:01.57 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, maybe I can do that when sombody double-click a *.doc file then some script calls wvWare to convert the *.doc file to pdf and finally opens it with xpdf |
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| 23:02.39 | cydork | gonzaloaf_work: why not just use abiword? it's light weight enough i guesss |
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| 23:03.42 | S4nD3r | Is there any reminder application to use in debian (gnome)??? I know that in evolutions theres a module, but I just need the reminder... |
| 23:04.00 | norc | S4nD3r: at |
| 23:04.02 | gonzaloaf_work | cydork, because the thin clients are for public use... and people could spend an hour writing a doc while there were other people in the line |
| 23:04.22 | gonzaloaf_work | S4nD3r, kalarm |
| 23:04.40 | S4nD3r | gnme |
| 23:04.41 | S4nD3r | gnome |
| 23:04.52 | gonzaloaf_work | S4nD3r, it works well under gnome, try it |
| 23:04.55 | norc | S4nD3r: use at. |
| 23:05.23 | norc | gonzaloaf_work: He wants gnome, do you think there is a galarm? ;) |
| 23:05.41 | gonzaloaf_work | norc, no idea |
| 23:05.58 | S4nD3r | is a console command |
| 23:06.06 | S4nD3r | I will look for something graphical |
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| 23:07.27 | ma3x | hello |
| 23:07.58 | norc | S4nD3r: as you wish. but at does the job, and its very simple to use. |
| 23:08.08 | ma3x | I moved /dev/hda2 to /dev/hda1 and I made the changes that were necessary in fstab and menu.lst and I still get VFS kernel panic |
| 23:08.10 | ma3x | why is that? |
| 23:08.16 | S4nD3r | ummm... |
| 23:08.26 | S4nD3r | but I not good in commmand line |
| 23:09.03 | eldowan | ma3x: yoru boot partition? you may have to rebuild your initrd (iirc) |
| 23:09.09 | norc | S4nD3r: you just create a bash script that executes whatever you want to happen at the right time, then you just type: at -f foo.sh 12:30 |
| 23:09.12 | norc | for example |
| 23:09.15 | norc | ;) |
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| 23:10.06 | ma3x | eldowan, yes my boot partition. How can I rebuild it? I use now live boot cd (32 bit) and when I try to chroot to my 64 boot partition, it says chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 23:10.27 | S4nD3r | what about a memo application? |
| 23:10.33 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: you need a 64bit live cd. |
| 23:10.42 | dondelelcaro | (or at least one with an amd64 kernel) |
| 23:10.49 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, I don't have one. any other way? |
| 23:10.56 | Seb | how does one fetch source packages with aptitude ? |
| 23:11.04 | dondelelcaro | Seb: you don't; use apt-get for that. |
| 23:11.18 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: do you have the amd64 disk you used to install your computer? |
| 23:11.31 | Seb | dondelelcaro: heh, and there I was, thinking alias apt-get=aptitude was gonna cut it :) |
| 23:11.45 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, nope |
| 23:12.14 | eldowan | ma3x: I odn't remember how to fix it, though I think that hda2 was put in the initrd. You can *try* symlinking hda2 -> hda1 and see if that works... |
| 23:12.15 | S4nD3r | Id like to have in my gnome, a windows (application) where I could type my next tasks I must to do |
| 23:12.40 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, and I can't burn a new cd because right now I have knoppix and I can't eject the CD. I also can't do 'toram' because I have only 512 MB |
| 23:13.02 | ma3x | eldowan, where are these symlinks? |
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| 23:15.23 | S4nD3r | is there possible ? |
| 23:15.27 | eldowan | ma3x: not sure it will work, but: bootup, and mount your hda1 to somewhere (/target) ln -s /target/dev/hda1 /target/dev/hda2; ls -l /target/dev/hda*; and see if all looks well. I don't remember, but the /dev tree may be rebuilt during a boot. |
| 23:15.38 | S4nD3r | do you know any application of that ? |
| 23:15.44 | eldowan | S4nD3r: a simple task manager? |
| 23:15.47 | eldowan | like a to-do list? |
| 23:15.51 | lymeca | If I have 5 500GB HDDs and I put them in a RAID-5, then I'll have 500GB*4=2000GB of space, right? |
| 23:16.11 | eldowan | lymeca: yes, 500*(n-1) |
| 23:16.15 | eldowan | where n=5 |
| 23:16.23 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Essentially a doc handler/wrapper. |
| 23:16.39 | S4nD3r | yes eldowan |
| 23:16.41 | lymeca | But if I have 4 750GB and I also RAID-5 them, then I'll have 750GB*3=2250GB space? |
| 23:16.49 | karsten | S4nD3r: Kontact's Kalendar's pretty good for that. |
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| 23:16.51 | ma3x | eldowan, and if I boot successfully how do I rebuild the initrd/vmlinuz image? |
| 23:16.57 | ma3x | what tool is used in etch for that? |
| 23:17.00 | S4nD3r | to use in gnome ? |
| 23:17.15 | karsten | S4nD3r: Sure. |
| 23:17.38 | S4nD3r | Ummmmmmmm.... |
| 23:17.45 | karsten | S4nD3r: Evolution is _the_ GNOME app for that sort of thing. I prefer Kontact/Kalendar, works better, and, well, it's not GNOME. |
| 23:18.03 | eldowan | ma3x: aptitude search todo |
| 23:18.13 | karsten | S4nD3r: Mind, i've got my own well-formed and strongly supported biases against GNOME. |
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| 23:18.18 | eldowan | S4nD3r: aptitude search todo |
| 23:18.25 | eldowan | ma3x: sorry, that wasn't directed at you. |
| 23:18.30 | ma3x | heh |
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| 23:18.55 | S4nD3r | gtodo |
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| 23:18.56 | S4nD3r | great |
| 23:18.59 | S4nD3r | I will try it |
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| 23:19.03 | Qew | don't type what Nop said |
| 23:19.04 | buu | Did that really just take off 3 people? |
| 23:19.05 | ma3x | eldowan, say again please |
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| 23:19.13 | eldowan | ma3x: from what I've read, chroot and then: update-initramfs -k all -u |
| 23:19.14 | ma3x | buu, yes, I fell for that too |
| 23:19.15 | Qew | heh |
| 23:19.16 | buu | ! |
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| 23:19.20 | Muisje | lol nop |
| 23:19.21 | buu | W0w. |
| 23:19.22 | Muisje | :) |
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| 23:19.31 | Muisje | Can't believe i felt for that one |
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| 23:19.38 | Muisje | Guess i should lay off the beer :D |
| 23:19.54 | gonzaloaf_work | karsten, yep.... btw wvPDF doesnt work well here |
| 23:19.57 | eldowan | ma3x: be aware that I'm not sure it will work. |
| 23:20.05 | karsten | gonzaloaf_work: Feh. |
| 23:20.06 | ma3x | ok eldowan I'll try it out |
| 23:20.36 | eldowan | karsten: does that sound right? ma3x moved a partition from hda2 to hda1 and it won't boot. update grub and initrd? |
| 23:20.52 | eldowan | ma3x: have you updated grub/lilo to use the hda1? |
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| 23:21.00 | ma3x | eldowan, sure |
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| 23:24.21 | eldowan | isn't there a section of debian.org that shows a pending packages progress? |
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| 23:24.37 | eldowan | I thought it was in qa.debian.org, but I can't seem to find it. |
| 23:26.23 | eldowan | n/m packages.qa.debian.org |
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| 23:28.40 | light_ | why isn't the new xchat has a repo package? |
| 23:29.05 | eldowan | !why isn't xchat in testing |
| 23:29.11 | eldowan | !ping |
| 23:29.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:29.22 | light_ | !why isnt xchat in testing |
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| 23:30.03 | purplepenguins | xchat? |
| 23:30.14 | dondelelcaro | !why is xchat not in testing |
| 23:30.14 | dpkg | xchat is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xchat |
| 23:31.12 | eldowan | ty dondelelcaro |
| 23:31.12 | karsten | eldowan: I think so. |
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| 23:31.13 | light_ | ty |
| 23:31.13 | eldowan | karsten: OK. ma3x hasn't reported back, so I'm assuming all went well. |
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| 23:31.24 | purplepenguins | I can download xchat just fine... |
| 23:31.40 | light_ | Latest version 2.6.8-0.3... its not true.. there is 2.8.2 |
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| 23:32.01 | Overflo1 | hey all... |
| 23:32.05 | dondelelcaro | light_: that's the latest version packaged. If you want a newer one, check the bts and or file a wishlist bug. |
| 23:32.27 | light_ | what is bts? |
| 23:32.39 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 23:32.40 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 23:33.22 | Overflo1 | i got something weird.. maybe you can help: i have ati radeon 9600 on a laptop, all installed perfectly and working,, except---> |
| 23:33.31 | light_ | thanks |
| 23:33.57 | streuner | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 23:34.18 | Overflo1 | second time i try loading the catalyst control center i get "Floating point bla bla".. |
| 23:34.49 | Overflo1 | to be exact "Floating point exception" |
| 23:34.58 | Overflo1 | any suggestions? |
| 23:34.59 | light_ | !patch |
| 23:34.59 | dpkg | patch is, like, just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 23:35.14 | light_ | !.patch |
| 23:37.11 | light_ | how can i use this "Patch from ubuntu for version 2.8.0-0ubuntu4" a .patch file |
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| 23:37.40 | dondelelcaro | light_: why are you going to apply that patch? |
| 23:38.18 | helo | what percentage of the debian's package repos are contained on the 3-dvd isos? |
| 23:38.27 | helo | just roughly... is it most? |
| 23:38.37 | eldowan | helo: how many dvds are there? |
| 23:38.41 | helo | 3 |
| 23:38.44 | simonrvn | um, all of it? if that's all the dvds, then all of it |
| 23:38.50 | light_ | ubuntu has xchat 2.8 package, debian hasn't.. |
| 23:39.02 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 23:39.16 | eldowan | I want to remember there being around 10 - 15 GB data in a repo. helo |
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| 23:39.34 | pitosga | hello |
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| 23:39.55 | dondelelcaro | helo: not surprisingly, you can't. |
| 23:39.56 | simonrvn | you can't |
| 23:40.03 | helo | well yeah, but you can get close enough |
| 23:40.07 | simonrvn | you can't |
| 23:40.15 | helo | i can't get close 'enough'? |
| 23:40.15 | pitosga | anyone has a lexmark printer? |
| 23:40.16 | dondelelcaro | you can install far more packages than you'd ever want, though... |
| 23:40.38 | dondelelcaro | pitosga: I've had them; but you've probably got another question. Best to just ask it. |
| 23:40.51 | helo | i'm just curious about how much disk space it would require |
| 23:40.52 | simonrvn | why would you want to anyway? |
| 23:41.15 | helo | i'm sure you guys know of a much easier way to get that number :) |
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| 23:41.28 | dondelelcaro | !dstats sid |
| 23:41.34 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21363 packages, 1851 maintainers, 50417 MB installed size, 16978 MB compressed size. |
| 23:41.37 | pitosga | yep, just got a brand new lexmark x2470 all-in-one |
| 23:41.40 | dondelelcaro | helo: see above. |
| 23:41.42 | helo | nice heh |
| 23:41.44 | pitosga | but can't ptint |
| 23:42.15 | dondelelcaro | pitosga: you should be able to install cups and add the ppd for that printer; I think most of the lexmarks have them already |
| 23:42.33 | simonrvn | there's your answer... |
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| 23:42.40 | karsten | RichiH: Around? kline Nop |
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| 23:43.16 | pitosga | dondelelcaro: hum ppd, so i must look for it on the cd? |
| 23:43.25 | pitosga | maybe |
| 23:43.31 | pitosga | let's see |
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| 23:44.27 | cry0x | If I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop, are there any advantages (besides philosophy) to use a pure debian system? |
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| 23:45.22 | eldowan | the usage of this support channel |
| 23:45.26 | eldowan | :) |
| 23:45.27 | JordiGH | cry0x: If you use Debian testing or unstable you'll get more timely updates than once every six months. You'll get updates constantly. |
| 23:45.50 | cry0x | JordiGH, how "bleeding edge" are the testing and unstable repos? |
| 23:46.04 | JordiGH | cry0x: Also, *all* of Debian is officially supported. Only about 10% of Ubuntu is supported by the Ubuntu team. |
| 23:46.15 | cry0x | Gutsy is too much... my laptop is my "get work done" machine and I can't be bothered by updates causing instability |
| 23:46.16 | scrip | cry0x: they bleed, I prefer ubuntu's "break my system every 6 months" approach |
| 23:46.32 | JordiGH | cry0x: Very. If you really want the newest, bleedingest, buggiest software out there, you can get stuff from experimental. |
| 23:46.45 | helo | anyone know how to change the browser icedove uses? |
| 23:46.47 | eldowan | JordiGH: surely that 10% must be an exageration. surely ubuntu wouldn't package and set people up with packages they wouldn't / won't support |
| 23:47.03 | JordiGH | eldowan: Universe in Ubuntu is about 10 times the size of Main. |
| 23:47.15 | JordiGH | eldowan: Probably bigger now that Debian has grown. |
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| 23:47.17 | eldowan | JordiGH: good golly miss mollie. that is huge |
| 23:47.19 | sid | helo: Go go system/preferences/prefered applications |
| 23:47.26 | scrip | eldowan: support is a very relative term, both communities will help you with all the software and neither garuantees to solve your problems with any of it |
| 23:47.33 | cry0x | that sounds good... I actually wanted to install Archlinux on here, but the default kernel isn't too laptop friendly. I don't have much time to muck around with configuring the system (hence ubuntu) |
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| 23:47.40 | simonrvn | JordiGH: you sure about that? |
| 23:47.59 | simonrvn | i'm just curious |
| 23:48.06 | helo | sid: is that a directory somewhere? i use fluxbox... |
| 23:48.09 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Almost. Has Ubuntu's main gotten significantly bigger over the last year? |
| 23:48.09 | togtogtog | How do I stop `aptitude upgrade` to re-add symbolic links in the runlevel directorys, after I have removed them with `update-rc.d -f SERVICE remove` ? |
| 23:48.16 | sid | simonrvn: I believe he is right. |
| 23:48.30 | eldowan | helo: sid is the unstable branch of debian. all the crazy packages go there until they are sane |
| 23:48.36 | sid | simonrvn: They have unofficial MOTU(Masters of the Universe) team, that handles 90+% of what is on ubuntu.com |
| 23:48.45 | sid | They only officially support a small set of packages. |
| 23:48.58 | dondelelcaro | togtogtog: don't remove them all. |
| 23:49.03 | Arafangion | How do I bind Ctrl to key code 66? |
| 23:49.05 | simonrvn | well, i admit the possibility exists, since ubuntu has less strigent admittance requirements as to licensing |
| 23:49.15 | sid | helo: no idea. I don't know where that is set. |
| 23:49.35 | Arafangion | (My shortcuts do not work) |
| 23:49.41 | dondelelcaro | togtogtog: if you don't want a particular init script to run in a runlevel, then you should have S links in that runlevel; having no symlinks is (in general) a broken configuration. |
| 23:49.48 | dondelelcaro | s/S/K/ |
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| 23:51.19 | JordiGH | Arafangion: xmodmap and xev |
| 23:51.33 | JordiGH | Arafangion: In X, anyways. I don't know how to rebind stuff in the console. :-/ |
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| 23:51.57 | JordiGH | Damnit, there must also be something out there easier than xmodmap... |
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| 23:52.09 | Arafangion | JordiGH: keycode 66 = Control_R Control_R Control_R Control_R |
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| 23:52.38 | JordiGH | !info xbindkeys |
| 23:52.41 | JordiGH | !info keylaunch |
| 23:52.42 | dpkg | xbindkeys: (Associate a combination of keys or mouse buttons with a shell command), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.7.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 23:53.00 | JordiGH | Hmm... |
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| 23:53.40 | Arafangion | JordiGH: I want to make it so that caps+t IS ^t |
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| 23:54.32 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 23:54.35 | JordiGH | One of those Sunistas. |
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| 23:55.05 | togtogtog | dondelelcaro: yeah meant particular services. so does it mean i start the service and then stop it immediately or do i just change the prefix and aptitude will understand it? |
| 23:55.09 | Arafangion | JordiGH: On th |
| 23:55.38 | JordiGH | I've always wondered how people with those Sun keyboards use Emacs. You need both ctrl keys, and how are you going to bind the right control to what? enter? |
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| 23:56.17 | Arafangion | JordiGH: Well, I am not an Emacs person :) |
| 23:56.31 | Arafangion | JordiGH: I want to use the Colemak keyboard layout for a change (MUCH nicer than dvorak!) |
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| 23:56.55 | dondelelcaro | togtogtog: you can just change the prefix. S means start and K means kill (well, stop really) |
| 23:57.07 | Arafangion | JordiGH: But... It changes key code 66 to backspace (Makes sense, EXCEPT I do not use backspace often!) - So I want it to be control instead. (Control_L, to be precise). |
| 23:57.08 | JordiGH | Arafangion: At any rate, if you're using X, man xmodmap or see if the two packages I mentioned above make it any easier. For the life of me I can't remember how to use xmodmap. |
| 23:57.28 | Arafangion | JordiGH: Well, I showed you the line I was using... It seems to have no effect other than to /disable/ the key :( |
| 23:57.30 | dondelelcaro | (you could also use a policy-rc.d rule if you wanted to do something more exciting) |
| 23:57.43 | Arafangion | JordiGH: Such that pressing caps is useless. |
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| 23:58.01 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: just use xmodmap |
| 23:58.14 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: I AM!!!! |
| 23:58.41 | JordiGH | Arafangion: Keep trying. You may need to also unassign some other keys. I really can't remember what the syntax is, but I know that after hammering at it for a while I was able to remap the apple key to control, where it belongs. ;-) |
| 23:58.47 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: |
| 23:58.48 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: > Lally, |
| 23:58.48 | dondelelcaro | > |
| 23:58.50 | dondelelcaro | agh. |
| 23:58.57 | en1gma | "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd" doesnt work can someone type the proper way |
| 23:59.03 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession_volo <-- this is an example of almost exactly that configuration. |
| 23:59.24 | en1gma | im trying to zero out 4 drives at same time |
| 23:59.30 | JordiGH | en1gma: Why? |
| 23:59.40 | en1gma | cause i have 4 drives that need zerod out |
| 23:59.48 | JordiGH | en1gma: Weren't you the one trying to reformat something with a messed up partition? |
| 23:59.55 | en1gma | not i |
| 23:59.56 | JordiGH | Zeroing out drives is mostly useless. |
| 23:59.58 | en1gma | mine are all good |
