IRC log for #debian on 20070515

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00:02.17shadey_probably a more generic question... but i have installed 'vncserver' and I have KDM running with gnome/kde installed... However... my vncclient logs into a gnome desktop
00:02.32shadey_how can i change this to be a KDE desktop?
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00:02.53karstenNielsen: Apparently soon, if you're streuner's hardware.
00:03.01karstenshadey_: Install KDE.
00:03.09shadey_given that my default session on the system itself logs into KDE
00:03.35karstenshadey_: vncserver has options for specifying session startup.  man vncserver.
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00:04.55cafuegovncserver runs the executable (script) ~/.vnc/xstartup
00:05.40karstencafuego: I suppose that could by symlinked to .xinitrc and/or friends?
00:05.49daeosstreuner: i think i'll just stick to gnome.... looks like alot of crap to do just to get blackbox to work
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00:07.29stonedThe terminus font kicks buttocks
00:09.10cafuegokarsten: probably, yes.
00:10.08karstenstoned: Where'd you get that / how'd you install it?
00:10.17karstenstoned: http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html ?
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00:11.52shadey_ok my "startx" logs into gnome... on Slackware i would modify .xinitrc but this file doesn't seem to exist in my home dir?
00:12.07karstenshadey_: Create it.
00:12.34shadey_i didn't think it would have been that simple
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00:16.21karstenshadey_: It is.
00:16.26karstenshadey_: Do you have a brother?
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00:16.36karstenshadey_: slim_, I believe he was.
00:16.36shadey_yes I do
00:16.41shadey_hah :)
00:16.48shadey_I'm not that guy alas
00:16.53karstenHeh.
00:17.04karstenI was gonna say, I know some chicks who dig you.
00:17.56shadey_I can be that guy.
00:18.44amerejmy old laptop doesn't boot from usb from bios is there any way to make it happen from the bootloader ?
00:19.37amphiamerej: smart boot manager, maybe
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00:20.03zeelothello
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00:21.32karstenshadey_: Can you be the *real* guy?
00:21.40zeelotquestion - what determines the order of my hard drives during debian installation? I have 2 drives and for some reason they show up as sdf and sdg...why aren't they sda and sdb?
00:21.44daeosstreuner: ok.. i followed the page that dpkg said to go to, and now x starts up without a window manager at all
00:21.54slakmagikWhy does hitting 'C' to get the changelog on a kernel security update result in an error message 'E: Couldn't fetch URL...' - the url is indeed incorrect - bugs #422311 and #357542 might be related, but don't seem to go anywhere.
00:21.59karstenamerej: What are your media options?  Do you have a working grub install?
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00:22.28karstenslakmagik: Um, do any URLs work?  Updated your package lists lately?
00:22.33slakmagikoops, in aptitude, I mean
00:22.38slakmagikyeah, just did
00:22.46slakmagikoh, the lists, no - just refreshed the listings
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00:23.21slakmagikI noticed on the last kernel update, too, but other packages work
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00:24.01michaelweee
00:24.06michaelpcsx > epsxe
00:24.13jpsamaraCan anyone help with azureus. I'm behind a fast pipe, how many connections should be optimal to put on "maximum simultaneus outbond..." it has a default of 8 connections but I found that increasing this number to 32 is much faster... should I  max it to 100?
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00:24.40michaelthis depends on how fast your pipe is and what your usual upload rate is
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00:24.45michaelper torrent
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00:26.34slakmagiklemme restate, since I got it scrambled up. :) I have the same sources.list I've had. I did an 'update' in aptitude. A kernel sec-update shows. The changelog listing for it bombs out while other packages work.
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00:28.09lightbookhi, I'm getting an error about not being able to stat packages or something when running yum.
00:28.10lightbooker.
00:28.14lightbookapt
00:28.16daeosstreuner: removing the 2 files dpkg recommends to make based on that website actually fixed gnome from not loading
00:33.10karstenslakmagik: Could be an out-of-sync mirror.
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00:33.10karstenslakmagik: Or can you confirm the URL at that specific mirror?
00:33.11zeelotanyone? or how can I change where grub gets installed in the last step of the debian installation?
00:33.11slakmagikwell, the url is http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2/changelog for linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 and, no, it doesn't exist
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00:33.13perlmonkeytried to install darwin and then freebsd and got nowhere, back to debian, back to my comfort zone
00:33.13karstenslakmagik: That's not a mirror URL.
00:33.13karstenslakmagik: Worst comes to swrst, if you can locate the deb elsewere, simply copy it to /var/cache/apt/archives
00:33.14slakmagikwell, that's what aptitude claims to be looking for
00:33.16karstens/swrst/worst/
00:33.16karstenslakmagik: Aptitude is confused then.
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00:33.21slakmagikno, the package should be fine (it was last time) it's just the changelog that bobms
00:33.24karstenI think.
00:33.25slakmagikbombs
00:33.26karstenaH...
00:33.33karstens/Aptitude is/I am/
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00:33.34slakmagik:)
00:33.34daeoswhat can i do to fix this error: xauth:  error in locking authority file
00:33.34slakmagikit's nothing critical, I just would like to know why I'm updating in advance of actually doing it
00:33.34daeoswould i have to make that folder writeable to xauth?
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00:33.47karstendaeos: Don't run X clients as root.  Find your xauthority file (it's listed in your X server run line) and change perms appropriately.
00:33.47perlmonkeyis LP dvd the same as multi-track?
00:33.48slakmagikand would like aptitude to not be buggy :)
00:33.52daeoskarsten: i didn't run it as root
00:34.01perlmonkeyi mean double layer
00:34.06michaelwhat is the name of the device for the keyboard in debian?
00:34.15azeemmichael: there's none
00:34.33karstendaeos: What's "xauth info | grep 'Authority'" say?  Should be /home/$USER/.Xauthority
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00:34.36XMri have an ATI Radeon 9950, Debian Etch Stable, is fglrx-one-liner ok to use ?
00:35.15perlmonkeywhat does Xauthority do
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00:35.24slakmagikgives you a magic cookie
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00:35.40perlmonkey:D
00:35.40karstenperlmonkey: It gives X teh Authoritay.
00:35.43karstenperlmonkey: Specifically, a magic cookie.
00:35.49perlmonkeyneat
00:35.49karstenperlmonkey: man xauth
00:36.00perlmonkeyso thats where my problems must lie I reckon
00:36.07perlmonkeyfrom nfs and shared /home
00:36.26daeoskarsten: xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/daeos/.Xauthority
00:36.35karstenperlmonkey: It's a pretty weak authentication scheme relying on local file permissions (and trusting nobody to sniff packets) of preventing other users from running stuff (including snooping stuff) on your X session.
00:36.37perlmonkeyi get that error too
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00:36.45karstendaeos: What's ownership/perms on .Xauthority?
00:36.47perlmonkeyoh
00:36.51karstendaeos: As root, set it to your userid.
00:37.04perlmonkeykarsten used by X or just gnome?
00:37.08karstendaeos: I effed that up myself a week or so back.
00:37.10karstenperlmonkey: X
00:37.32perlmonkeythat explains why i have probs in both gnome/kde or with apps from either
00:37.36perlmonkeybut not in xfce
00:37.44daeoskarsten: yeah user set to me, and group is root
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00:37.53karstenperlmonkey: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Security
00:37.59perlmonkeythanks
00:38.01karstenperlmonkey: No, all are subservient to X.
00:38.06perlmonkeyoh
00:38.09GhostlyDeathIs the lamp brightness in an LCD linked to the display driver or no?
00:38.16perlmonkeythats weird then
00:38.24perlmonkeyim gonna reinstall debian
00:38.26karstenGhostlyDeath: LEDs have only one output value.
00:38.34GhostlyDeathas in, the software tells the hardware to chnage the brightness
00:38.44karstenGhostlyDeath: You dim 'em by flashing 'em, or by turning off one or more in a multiple display.
00:38.47GhostlyDeathkarsten: I'm talking about the Hg Lamps
00:38.48perlmonkeyits probably quicker than trying to hunt down this problem been at it several days now and no closer
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00:39.01karstenperlmonkey: What's the question?
00:39.28Tarantulafudgeis there a way to check service status on debian? I need something that deals correctly with error codes, so the ps aux | grep thing will not work in my situation
00:39.33mmlj4right, a light-emitting diode is either on or off, AFAIK
00:39.37karstenperlmonkey: And yes, X can be sorta annoying at times, particularly if you get security / cookies / file perms b0rked.
00:40.05karstenTarantulafudge: If it's built into the init script, /etc/init.d/<service> status
00:40.10lightbookok. So I'm ripping my hair out.
00:40.18lightbookmy installation of debian can't even find irssi.
00:40.20karstenTarantulafudge: Otherwise:  no, that's sort of a nontrivial problem.
00:40.28lightbookapt-get install irssi does nothing.
00:40.36Tarantulafudgekarsten: there is no status argument
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00:40.44o2T7hi
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00:40.58karstenTarantulafudge: Depending on what you're trying to do, you need some sort of monitoring / sanity test tool.
00:41.01lightbookwhat's going on?
00:41.03karstenTarantulafudge: Eg:  nagios, etc.
00:41.04Tarantulafudgekarsten: Usage: /etc/init.d/bacula-dir {start|stop|restart|force-reload}
00:41.15karstenlightbook: You're tearing out your hair.
00:41.25o2T7why does "echo 'my string' >> README" create a file named readme?
00:41.29perlmonkeykarsten: i wish i could give specific errors/problem, but basically the symptom is that gnome starts without a taskbar thingy at the top and bottom, it says it detected one running so wont start, and sometimes it does start, but its blank.. when gnome does start, no apps can be run, if i click on an icon for say an OpenOffice doc, it attempts to start and locks up.. in XFCE, that starts up ok, but gnome or kde apps wont
00:41.29lightbookkarsten: I meant, with apt here :P
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00:41.33Tarantulafudgekarsten: I have an app that checks the status of a service but it won't function correctly because it employs the status argument
00:41.43karstenTarantulafudge: Not familiar with bacula.  You could try a restart.
00:41.50karsteno2T7: RTFM.
00:41.54Tarantulafudgekarsten: read above
00:41.59perlmonkeykarsten: this is all started after i moved my /home/user folder to my server and started using nfs and mounting on two client machines
00:42.02karsteno2T7: Functions as designed.
00:42.05o2T7karsten, not noob, thanks
00:42.32perlmonkeykarsten: i have sync'd the uid for the user manually on all 3 machines, and the gid
00:42.35karstenperlmonkey: Could be a lockfile/statusfile issue?
00:42.44o2T7I mean why does not create an uppercased file
00:42.45karstenperlmonkey: I don't run gnome for several reasons, that among them.
00:43.12karsteno2T7: Are you referring to casing of the filename?  What filesystem?
00:43.13perlmonkeykarsten: i think it could be, I have since glimpses of problems caused by things in /tmp and also gconf? and have attempted to clear these but no joy
00:43.21o2T7yes, ext3
00:43.32Tarantulafudgekarsten: ideas?
00:43.32lightbookI don't know why this isn't working....
00:43.37o2T7even "mv FILE file" says it is the same file
00:43.45karsteno2T7: Nope, that's case-sensitive.
00:43.45daeoskarsten: -rwx------  1 daeos root       654 2007-05-14 20:08 .Xauthority
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00:43.57perlmonkeykarsten: i decided to ditch gnome and kde too and purged my sys of them, but i am having probs with openoffice (properly unrelated to gnome issue?) with shared user
00:44.01karsteno2T7: Note that ext3 over samba might give different results.
00:44.08o2T7$SHELL=bash
00:44.15karstendaeos: Odd.
00:44.16o2T7on xterm
00:44.25perlmonkeyalso iceweasel is very slow to start still in xfce4, it takes around 2 mins typically
00:44.30karstendaeos: perlmonkey, lightbook: Gotta split, questions to channel.
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00:44.43karstenperlmonkey: NFS?  LDAP?  Got any network lookups?
00:44.45perlmonkeyok
00:45.08perlmonkeyphew
00:45.37perlmonkeynevermind
00:45.44perlmonkeyi will try and reinstall debian
00:46.05perlmonkeyi think my new nfs setup just inherited a lot of crap from stuff i used before
00:46.07SweetandyIf I'm running the default GNOME-based Debian, how difficult would it be to have the computer start in KDE instead assuming I've already installed the KDE packages?
00:46.16perlmonkeyand starting with a fresh filesystem is properly the solution
00:46.19daeosso since my Xauthority file says my name as user and root as the group..... with chown i forget how to change the usergroup ownerships
00:46.37o2T7oh, it is because the folder was a FAT32 mounted partition
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00:47.14daeosfixed it
00:47.19perlmonkeycool
00:47.20daeoskarsten: i fixed it with chown
00:47.27perlmonkeyu chown'd it
00:47.35daeosyep ate it all up
00:47.47perlmonkeyi tried that but it hasnt helped
00:47.52perlmonkeyproblem must lie elsewhere
00:48.22daeosperlmonkey: i was trying to go from gnome to blackbox but had no luck
00:48.40daeosonce i made those 2 files for a wd , x didn't work after that
00:48.43perlmonkeySweetandy: easy if you are running gdm you can set kde to be the default
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00:48.53perlmonkeySweetandy: else you can edit startx script
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00:49.09Sweetandyperlmonkey: Yes, I'm running gdm
00:49.34perlmonkeyjust set it for default then on your sessions
00:49.40daeoslooks like thats what i want to do also
00:49.42daeosbut not go to kde
00:49.45daeosi wanted to go to blackbox
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00:49.55Sweetandyyay blackbox
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00:50.03Tobsnhu
00:50.05daeosbut don't know how
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00:50.16perlmonkeyi'm running xfce4 as my default now as its the only f'kin desktop that works, but its not bad actually VERY fast compared to gnome and kde
00:50.25Tobsnhmm how can i see what filesystem is installed a server?
00:50.26perlmonkeyand it looks very slick now too, its improved alot since 3
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00:50.42daeosperlmonkey: xfce4 runs slower on my machine vs. gnome
00:51.03perlmonkeyTobsn: fdisk will show you
00:51.42perlmonkeyalso: df -T
00:51.52perlmonkeyquicker way
00:51.53Tobsnaaah ext3
00:51.58Tobsni need something to undelete
00:52.05daeosperlmonkey: how would i be able to go to blackbox? i did what dpkg said.. and it screwed up x
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00:52.16perlmonkeydaeoes: really! thats odd
00:52.19Tobsni accidently typed rm -rf * in the wrong shell... now /root/ is empty ;)
00:52.43daeosperlmonkey: yes
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00:52.54perlmonkeydaeos: i'm not sure about blackbox havent had any experience with that
00:52.54daeosperlmonkey: and... press d then tab to quickly get my name ;)
00:53.16tchoughcan someone tell me if there's a way to search for all packages installed on a system from a certain release.  for example, can is there a way to list all the sarge-backports packages or experimental packages i have installed?
00:53.20perlmonkeyoops
00:53.32daeosperlmonkey: what am i missing then? since i followed... let me get the link
00:53.45daeos!xsession
00:53.45dpkgmethinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
00:53.49gpmapt-get install blackbox
00:53.50daeosthat one
00:53.50daeosi did
00:53.52daeosi have it installed
00:53.55gpmecho blackbox > .xinitrc
00:53.57gpmstartx
00:54.01gpmwhat's the problem?
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00:54.09daeosi don't have .xinitrc
00:54.12daeosand if i do
00:54.19daeosx fails to do anything
00:54.22perlmonkeyphew things can get very complicated/broken when you start messing with the X startup scripts
00:54.23daeosjust a grey screen
00:54.26Tobsnany good ideas to undelete on ext3?
00:54.29perlmonkeythats why its better to leave it to gdm
00:54.31gpmis there anything in your xinitrc?
00:54.35gpmif it's not there, create it
00:54.38daeosit doesn't even exist
00:54.42gpmok
00:54.44gpmso create it
00:54.54gpmand put blackbox in it
00:55.13gpmperlmonkey: you can tell gdm to use your xinitrc
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00:55.45perlmonkeywhenever you install a new desktop it should be showing in gdm sessions eh
00:55.57gpmblackbox is a window manager
00:56.00perlmonkeythen you can switch between them easily and set your favourite as default
00:56.03perlmonkeyoh
00:56.08gpmsome wm packages come with gdm sessions
00:56.12gpmlike fluxbox
00:56.14gpmbut some don't
00:56.16perlmonkeyyes
00:56.17xoz_!xsession
00:56.18dpkgmethinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
00:56.20gpmlike blackbox, or evilwm
00:56.28gpmnot xsession, xinitrc now, right?
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00:56.39gpmoh
00:56.42gpmnever mind
00:56.44gpmread the factoid
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00:56.58daeosok... let me say this
00:57.05daeosi followed what the website said
00:57.08azeemW 35
00:57.09azeemoops.
00:57.11xoz_!xinitrc
00:57.11gpmwhat website?
00:57.11dpkgxinitrc is, like, just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession")
00:57.19daeosat the tail end of that factoid
00:57.36daeossee this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
00:57.42puntoUYthe new graphic installer uses gtk?
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00:57.51azeempuntoUY: yes
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00:58.04gpmdaeos: try this: rm ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc
00:58.10puntoUYwithout X?
00:58.14gpmecho blackbox > /.xsession
00:58.19gpmstartx
00:58.21gpmthat should work
00:58.22gpmi think
00:58.26daeosgpm: i removed them to get gnome to work again
00:58.31daeosso i have that rm taken care of
00:58.37daeoslet me try the echo then
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00:58.48daeosalso, im in ssh so i can't run startx
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00:59.03gpmdaeos: well then, how are you testing all this?
00:59.26daeosssh and vnc
00:59.43gpmwhat exactly are you trying to do? make blackbox your default?
00:59.50daeosyes
01:00.23gpmand you're running a full screen X session, not just individual apps, right?
01:00.33daeosright
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01:01.21puntoUYazeem, installer uses X?
01:01.29gpmi don't have much experience with vnc...i do know that if you have no .xinitrc and your .xsession just says "blackbox" then when you start an X session with startx (or if you tell gdm to use your X session) it will start blackbox
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01:01.43azeempuntoUY: no
01:01.44azeemdirectfb
01:01.59daeosgpm: and ... echo blackbox > /.xsession didn't work... i had to put a ~ before /.xsession
01:02.10cafuegodaeos: You can choose a session from th gdm menu at login; just pick blackbox and when it asks if you'd like it to be your default, say yes.
01:02.21gpmdaeos: yeah, my bad
01:02.24daeoscafuego: im sshing
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01:02.26gpmyou want .xsession in your home
01:02.27puntoUYazeem, thanks :)
01:02.43gpmcafuego: does blackbox come with a gdm session? i don't think it does
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01:03.00daeosso would i just edit the file and put in there blackbox's applicaiton name?
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01:03.48gpmjust put blackbox
01:03.53gpmgtg
01:03.58cafuegogpm: Hmm... was that openbox. Some box did, anyway.
01:03.59daeosso edit .xsession ....
01:04.10daeosand put in the word blackbox or something more specific?
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01:05.02daeoswow
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01:05.03daeostaht worked
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01:05.08daeosperfect
01:05.10daeosnow to customize
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01:06.12macksssWhen I update etch today it asked to upgrade "linux-image-2.6.18-4-686". Does that require a restart?
01:06.20mackssserr reboot
01:06.25azeemmacksss: if you want to use it, eys
01:06.28azeemyes*
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01:06.44macksssazeem, is there a reason why i wouldn't want to use it?
01:07.30azeemmacksss: if somebody will give you 1000$ for another day of uptime, maybe
01:07.33azeemotherwise, no
01:07.47ateoh211how can I confirm a memory leak?  I'm using python-gdchart2 and at different times it crashes with a glibc error *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x08278b78 ***
01:08.30ateoh211from googling, this appears to be a memory leak, but I'm not sure how to check if the problem is infact with python-gdchart or not
01:09.18macksssazeem, heh
01:10.09azeemateoh211: no, it's a programming error
01:10.38ateoh211azeem: what tells you that it's a programming error?
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01:10.47azeem"glibc error"
01:11.20dexomsrcTwo Debian machines on a network with NFS on both, one mounts another's NFS share rw no problems
01:11.22dexomsrcThe transfer of any large (multigigabyte) file between the two systems via NFS yields very odd transfer rate consistency
01:11.27dexomsrcIt will go at appropriate LAN speeds of ~25MiB/s for a bit, then throttle suddenly all the way down to just a few KiB/s
01:11.31dexomsrcThen back up again...
01:11.37dexomsrcIs there a reason for this?  Is anything I can do to improve NFS transfer speed performance so it's consistent?
01:12.07ateoh211azeem: ok, so I have to trace the error to see if it's my programming error or if it might still be the python-gdchart2 package ?
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01:12.46azeemateoh211: what language are you programming in?
01:12.49ateoh211it's a bit frustrating, because that is the only error I recieve, usually with python, I have a trace back.
01:12.56ateoh211python
01:13.12azeemateoh211: then it's likely not your fault
01:13.33ateoh211azeem: that's makes me feel better :-)
01:14.38ateoh211azeem:  so  probably track down the (debian)python-gdchart2 maintainer and file a bug report?
01:14.50twobitspritehow do you get linux to use two monitors like windows does?
01:15.10azeemateoh211: just file a bug report, the maintainer will get notified of it
01:15.11nvztwobitsprite: you dont
01:15.15nvzhttp://cock.istheshit.net/http://cock.istheshit.net/ ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testi
01:15.17shogunxtwo bit sprite  ask google about xinerama
01:15.18nvz<PROTECTED>
01:15.20nvzheh oops
01:16.05ateoh211azeem: will do, thanks for the insight!
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01:17.00Tobsnhmm anyone an idea how to recover text files?
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01:18.49twobitspriteshogunx: hmm... so, is it built into x.org?
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01:19.12twobitspriteit says it's an xfree86 extention... do I have to install it, or is it built in, and does it work on x.org?
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01:28.06ava_tarhi, i was thinking to switch to debian
01:28.07twobitspriteava_tar: good choice
01:28.07nvzava_tar: and.. ?
01:28.07ava_tarbut i don't is there a 686 optimized
01:28.07nvzava_tar: so?
01:28.08ava_tari dont know if there are a 686 optimized
01:28.08twobitspriteava_tar: you are asking if debian has version optimized for 686?
01:28.08ava_taryes
01:28.09ava_tarexcuese me english
01:28.09nvzava_tar: there are kernels for i686
01:28.09ava_tarah but packages?
01:28.09nvzwhats the difference
01:28.56twobitspriteava_tar: something tells me you come from gentoo
01:28.56ava_tara lot, if im using a p4 xp < processor
01:28.56Caelumxmlterm seems to be gone from debian, kinda sad it never took off
01:28.56ava_tarim come from arch linux
01:28.56ava_tarbut i dicide to switch to debian cause th SystemV
01:28.56ava_tarstuff
01:28.56ava_tari never let a chance to debian
01:28.56be`ooh
01:28.56nvzheh
01:28.57nvzBOO to you too
01:28.57twobitspriteyeah, that systemV stuff is way cool
01:28.57twobitsprite?
01:28.57nvz"be o oh" boo..
01:28.57ava_tarthe inits process
01:28.57ava_tarim come from slackware,gentoo, archlinux
01:28.57twobitspritefunny... init processes have never really been a deciding factor in me choosing a distro...
01:28.57Tobsnhmm somebody?
01:28.57Tobsnhmm anyone an idea how to recover text files?
01:28.57ava_tarand there is a lot of difference in the rc process
01:28.58Tobsnon ext3
01:28.58twobitspriteTobsn: "recover"?
01:28.58Tobsnundelete... ;)
01:28.58nvztwobitsprite: yeah as they are totally configurable
01:28.58Tobsni rm -rf'd by accident...
01:28.58twobitspritenvz: yeah.. just a bunch of scripts...
01:28.58twobitspriteTobsn: to bad
01:28.58twobitspritetoo*
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01:28.59ava_tari switch, because never really give a chance to a sysV distro
01:28.59twobitspriteTobsn: have backups?
01:28.59Tobsnnope... thats the problem i was going to make backups and deleting useless stuff...
01:28.59Tobsn...
01:28.59H2OyJaBoNhi all
01:28.59twobitspriteTobsn: back up first, delete later
01:28.59Tobsnyeah... but i skipped that part
01:28.59ava_tarbut there is at least a 686 debian based distro?
01:28.59GhostlyDeathWhat package contrains libws.so.3.96?
01:28.59Tobsnno i want to rebuild all files i deleted in /root/
01:29.00nvzava_tar: well thats great, no we dont have an i686 optimized tree of 20,000+ packages.
01:29.00amphi!gentoosmite ava_tar
01:29.00Tobsnany ideas?
01:29.00twobitspriteava_tar: people use debian because it has the largest package collection of any OS, not because they squeeze 2% more efficiency out of every lib and executable
01:29.00Tobsni found foremost and magicrescue but im not sure thats what i need...
01:29.00nvzava_tar: that would be minimal benefit for maximum cost of bandwidth or making software legacy incompatible
01:29.00twobitspriteava_tar: not to mention that debian is rock solid as an OS
01:29.01EdLinalso because its easy to administer.
01:29.01ava_tarok, im currently installed debian, im writting from a debian etch testing boot cd
01:29.01ava_tarim connected through irssi (bitchx)
01:29.01twobitspriteava_tar: if are seriously bottle-necking on you CPU then maybe you should switch back to gentoo..
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01:29.12xarquidhmmm, so I lost sound completely on my laptop using the ALSA driver. i rebooted/reinstalled ALSA etc. but still no sound. any ideas?
01:29.24twobitspriteava_tar: however, if you are like the rest of us and hardly see any more then 20% cpu utilization, then debian will be just fine.
01:29.24be`oava_tar, you mean a "linux-image-2.6.15-1-686" ?
01:29.35ava_tarno
01:29.46ava_tarbut anyway im giving a try to debian,
01:29.58nvzdont ever use the worst irc client and the greatest one in the same sentance unless its to say Irssi > BitchX
01:30.08ava_tarto upgrade my current distro
01:30.24twobitspritenvz: I actually miss using bitchx every now and then...
01:30.28Tobsntwobitsprite? no idea?
01:30.35be`oamphi, :D
01:30.39ava_taronly have to put in sources testing and apt-get upgrade?
01:30.49nvztwobitsprite: you should ask someone to slap you until the feeling goes away
01:30.58twobitspriteTobsn: ohh... I thought I answered that by saying "too bad"... To be more clear, there is no way to recover deleted files
01:31.08twobitspritenvz: why, it wasn't that bad
01:31.12amphiava_tar: what is 'irssi (bitchx)' ?
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01:31.24ava_taran irc terminal client
01:31.29nvzamphi: its blasphemey
01:31.51amphinvz: you mean there is such a hideous chimaera?
01:31.54twobitspriteava_tar: irssi is an IRC client... bitchx is _also_ an IRC client... but they are different clients... which one are you using?
01:32.03ava_tarirssi
01:32.07twobitspriteamphi: I think ava_tar is confused
01:32.10ava_tari think that they were the same
01:32.15amphiphew
01:32.17twobitspriteava_tar: no, different
01:32.17ava_tarbut feel like the same
01:32.20nvzava_tar: they are not even close to the same
01:32.39twobitspriteava_tar: by "feel like the same" do you mean they both connect to IRC and opertate in a terminal?
01:32.51twobitsprites/tate/ate
01:33.04ava_tarand look similar?
01:33.34aung_hi since upgrading to current sid xorg version, my fglrx driver no longer works and it says there is a module requirement mismatch in my drivers. my google search returned no results and I am now using the default driver that came with the installation. anyone know how to fix this?
01:33.34nvzbitchx feels like a migrain headache
01:33.34nvzirssi feels like a morphine IV
01:34.00twobitspriteava_tar: well.. there are only so many ways to make a text-based IRC client look
01:34.04amphinvz: heh
01:34.40twobitspritenvz: I think you're taking this whole irc client thing a little to seriously... perhaps you should spend some time outside... or maybe with members of the opposite sex
01:35.19twobitspriteaung_: you could try running lenny
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01:35.26michaelirssi!
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01:35.36ava_tarim installed all this with an old debian etch netboot cd?
01:35.38twobitspriteircII4evah!!!!11
01:35.42nvztwobitsprite: I think you're delusional
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01:35.56michaelircII, that is old
01:36.02aung_twobitsprite I am currently running lenny/sid
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01:36.20twobitspriteaung_: then my advice would instead to stop mixing branches
01:36.32Dewiespecially not being able to do anything comfortably without dozens of pages of custom scripts
01:37.04Dewithe kind people just copy from one person to the next and hack, without knowing what any of it really does
01:37.54Dewithose were the days
01:37.54ava_tarto reinstall de entire debian to testing, only have to do apt-get dis-upgrade?
01:37.54twobitspriteDewi: hehe
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01:37.56twobitspriteava_tar: you have to change your sources file, then "apt-get dist-upgrade"
01:37.56nvzDewi: yeah but now there is irssi and scriptassist
01:37.57ava_tarok simply put testing in sources?
01:37.57aung_twobitsprite: okay my bad, but do you know how to fix this problem?
01:37.57twobitsprite!sources.lilst
01:37.57twobitsprite!sources.list
01:37.57dpkgfrom memory, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is  your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security>, or run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database
01:38.06twobitspriteaung_: nope
01:38.07Dewinvz: I don't need any scripts with irssi, it works great out of the box. Except if you like doing a lot of DCC...
01:38.39twobitspriteDewi: I didn't think they had warez channels on freenode
01:38.40twobitsprite:P
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01:38.54twobitspritebesides, that's what bittorrent is for now
01:39.01xarquidtwobitsprite: irssi has support for multiple networks ;>
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01:39.52twobitspritexarquid: the other networks are still around?? :P
01:39.52xarquid;p
01:39.52Dewitwobitsprite: I think you've answered your own question pretty well
01:39.53Dewi:)
01:39.53aung_actually i got another problem
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01:40.02twobitspriteaung_: stop mixing branches
01:40.12aung_how do i correct the crippled line rendering in gnome-terminal 2.18.0-2
01:40.35Dewiaung_: mine doesn't seem cripplied
01:40.39Dewicrippled even
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01:41.21twobitspritewb!
01:41.21Dewiaung_: oh, but I'm running stable now
01:41.21DewiI keep forgetting :P
01:41.29Dewigood old etch
01:41.29PingFloyd_he's not necessarily mixing branches, /etc/issue shows lenny/sid for sid
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01:41.34aung_Dewi ohh okay
01:41.34ava_tarand other thing, i would like when use apt-get dist-upgrade to download a base system what i have to do?
01:41.36twobitspriteworks fine in testing, too
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01:43.04Noborusanhi guys
01:43.09twobitspritein fact, I remember it working on my sid box too.. but then again, I didn't mix branches (*rubs it in real good*)
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01:48.30Dewiava_tar: but in any case, dist-upgrade will do everything, so don't use it if you only want to upgrade some things
01:48.33amphiava_tar: no
01:48.34DewiOH HI EVERYONE
01:48.35twobitspriteI thought irssi was supposed to detect an unsplit and compress all of that
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01:48.51ava_tarwithout every other stuff installed
01:48.51twobitspriteis it over?
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01:48.52ava_taras when i install the base system
01:48.52Dewi768 nicks... can't be too many more coming :P
01:48.56ava_tardo dist upgrade installs only the base system
01:48.56dsch04Hi all
01:48.57twobitspriteava_tar: dist-upgrade upgrades everything that you currently have installed
01:48.57dsch04debian newbie here (experienced Redhat/FC guy though)
01:48.57twobitspritedsch04: get out!
01:48.57twobitsprite:P
01:48.57dsch04Heh
01:48.57ava_tarand what i do to get only a base testing?
01:48.57PingFloyd_dist-upgrade will also rework any changed dependencies
01:48.58Dewiava_tar: if you want to upgrade only some things, then.... you'll need to manually tell those things to upgrade
01:48.59nvzdsch04: no, seriously :P
01:48.59dsch04I'm installing Debian on a linkstation
01:48.59cafuegotwobitsprite: welcome to the light side
01:48.59twobitspriteava_tar: define "base"
01:48.59Dewiava_tar: but why would you want to only upgrade base?
01:49.00twobitspritecafuego: which side is that?
01:49.00dsch04http://linkstationwiki.net/index.php?title=Articles/GeneralFreeLinkTutorial#Install_Software
01:49.00ava_tarto view after what to install
01:49.00dsch04I've got to step 11 - installing webmin
01:49.00twobitspritedsch04: ew
01:49.00twobitspritedsch04: why?
01:49.01dsch04But I get:
01:49.01dsch04Package webmin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
01:49.01dsch04Why what?
01:49.01twobitspritedsch04: webmin was removed
01:49.01twobitsprite!webmin
01:49.01dpkghmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html
01:49.01Dewiit was also awful
01:49.01Dewithe factoid isn't kidding
01:49.01dsch04Hmmm
01:49.01Nielsen<PROTECTED>
01:49.02michaelhmm
01:49.02ava_tarbut there is a way to only upgrade distro, remove all, and install a minimal base system?
01:49.02DewiI only wish I could make my boss believe it
01:49.02michaelwho is dondelelcaro
01:49.02twobitspriteava_tar: why???
01:49.02Dewimichael: somebody well-known here
01:49.02michaelk
01:49.02michaelshoot
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01:49.02twobitspriteava_tar: you could download a testing CD, and install from scratch
01:49.03purplepenguinsI need to set that thing up right
01:49.05twobitspriteava_tar: but I don't understand why you are so persistant in only wanting to upgrade the "base" system... I don't even know what constitutes a "base" system
01:49.05ava_tarim currently using a old netboot etch and installed from that ,
01:49.05dsch04So, is webmin completely gone, finished, not available in any repo anywhere?
01:49.05ava_tara base system a clean system terminal
01:49.05twobitspriteava_tar: so what's wrong with just upgrading everything to testing?
01:49.05ava_tarwith common binaries
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01:49.08twobitspriteohh, it's just you guys
01:49.08ava_tarthat when i use dselect to install links and irssi it installed 100mb in other applications
01:49.10twobitspriteava_tar: probably libraries
01:49.10Dewitwobitsprite: there is some kind of concept of "packages with priority standard" or something like that
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01:49.30twobitspriteDewi: ohh... never heard of it
01:49.30twobitspriteGODDAMN
01:49.30Dewitwobitsprite: but no, debian doesn't have anything we really call a "base system"
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01:49.47twobitspriteDewi: I guess there is the stuff you get with a vanilla debootstrap?
01:49.49Dewiwhat is this? the complete rebuilding of freenode one server at a time? :P
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01:50.11Dewitwobitsprite: but even the installer doesn't install all of the stuff I just described unless you choose "standard system" in tasksel
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01:50.17ava_tari tell base to a system that only have the common binaries, ex from rm to ifconfig
01:50.36Dewiava_tar: that doesn't sound very specific to me
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01:50.38Dewiava_tar: is "less" common?
01:50.43twobitspriteava_tar: what about vi?
01:50.49twobitspriteava_tar: which version of vi?
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01:50.55Dewitwobitsprite: all debian has vi
01:50.57ava_taryeah im telling a base to a non x system
01:50.59Dewitwobitsprite: but not less
01:51.03purplepenguinsvi is part of POSIX isn't it?
01:51.25purplepenguinseither that or there is some other reason why it is packaged in everything
01:51.30twobitspritedoesn't busybox have some lame built-in vi?
01:51.40purplepenguinsvim is the best vi
01:51.53Dewitwobitsprite: pretty much every system has some kind of vi
01:52.20ava_tarfor ex in archlinux, i install a base system of 70mb with basic common aplications to set up an entire system
01:52.20nvzvi is the devil's own code flowing through mortal men, this is why its in everything
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01:52.20Dewiava_tar: the debian base is a lot smaller than that
01:52.28purplepenguinsthe cult of vi!
01:52.28Dewiava_tar: unless you mean a minimal "standard" install, it's about that size iirc
01:52.31PingFloyd_ava_tar: just write a script
01:52.37twobitspritenvz: devil... god... whatever
01:52.58Dewiava_tar: suggest you go and look at the metadata attached to packages, like 'priority'
01:52.58purplepenguinsan epic level coder
01:53.02purplepenguinsnamed bill joy
01:53.03PingFloyd_exactly
01:53.05ava_taryea im trying to translate a minimal standard install, excuse
01:53.20PingFloyd_have the script check for priority: required
01:54.33Dewiava_tar: there are different levels of priority. bash is "required", nvi is "important", less is "standard", perl is "standard"
01:55.42ava_tarex when i do a du in my current system i got 632 mb,
01:55.42ava_tarand i dont have x
01:55.43Dewiava_tar: at a guess, I think the debian installer installs "required" and "important" packages, but will prompt you to install "a standard systemin" in tasksel which installs everything in priority "standard". Okay?
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01:56.08ava_tari dont know what have installed dselect, cause it installed a lot of stuff, to view manually one per one
01:56.12PingFloyd_or use a front end like deselect or aptitude and do it manually
01:56.26Dewiava_tar: what you don't know won't hurt you
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01:57.01ava_tarnow currently the only thing to install an actual debian testing is an old debian etch testing netboot cd
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01:57.21Dewiava_tar: downlod a new netinst, they are under 200mb
01:57.22PingFloyd_ava_tar: apt-rdepends will tell you
01:57.37abrotmanhe could use deborphan
01:57.51ava_taryeah but i dont have linux, windows nothing to download and burn a cd
01:57.52Dewiava_tar: but it should technically still work - just be careful to make sure the sources says "etch" NOT "testing" or you'll find yourself running lenny
01:58.14Dewi(I think)
01:58.22ava_tari need to run the testing
01:58.22Dewinot sure when they fixed that
01:58.42ava_tarnot only lenny, set my system as testing
01:59.02ava_tari tried to change the sources list to testing
01:59.17unlinki get the error "You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file." when i try to play any song in banshee.
01:59.30Dewiunlink: what format?
01:59.33unlinkDewi: mp3
01:59.38PingFloyd_unlink: means you're missing a needed codec
01:59.40Dewiunlink: mp3 isn't free
01:59.46ava_tarbut it gives me a lot of gpg errors
01:59.51Dewiunlink: so I understand you might need to jump through hoops to get it
02:00.06PingFloyd_ava_tar: you need to install the package for the archive keyring
02:00.09Dewi!mp3
02:00.10dpkgrumour has it, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis)
02:00.29Dewi!tell ava_tar about debian archive keyring
02:00.34Dewi!tell ava_tar about keyring
02:00.34PingFloyd_i.e. debian-archive-keyring
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02:01.18abrotmanunlink: try another format in banshee
02:01.24unlinkabrotman: vorbis works.
02:02.01abrotmanunlink: did you check the README or the docs or the BTS ?
02:02.29stoned!dpkgbot
02:02.29dpkgi guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem.  Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.
02:03.08ava_tarapt-get debian-keyring?
02:03.13unlinkabrotman: i did. it claims to support mp3, there's no debian readme, and i don't see any similar issues on google.
02:03.17ava_tarapt-get install debian-keyring?
02:03.29Nielsendebian-archive-keyring
02:03.37unlinkabrotman: there's a generic readme, but it says nothing about mp3. i have all the banshee packages installed.
02:03.38abrotmanunlink: bts ?
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02:04.06PingFloyd_debian-keyring is the old one
02:04.31PingFloyd_you want debian-archive-keyring
02:04.33unlinkabrotman: nothing
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02:05.36unlinkabrotman: the thing is, it imports the mp3s and reads the metadata fine.
02:05.42unlinkabrotman: the mp3s themselves work, of course
02:06.01Sweetandynvm got my answer
02:06.03Sweetandy8 D
02:06.05SweetandyThanks everybody
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02:07.42abrotmanqemu
02:07.43puntoUYto run an ISO
02:07.52puntoUYqemu?
02:08.17peyotevmware player
02:08.21amphipuntoUY: qemu -cdrom foo.iso -boot d
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02:08.31robyI want to start with Enterprise Java Beans, does debian package an EJB server?
02:08.32sn0virtualbox is quite nice, less hogy than vmware
02:08.39sn0useful if you don't need all vmware's options
02:08.46abrotmanunlink: etch ?
02:08.53unlinkabrotman: yes
02:08.53puntoUYi use etch
02:09.09abrotmanunlink: works fine here!
02:09.10abrotman!qemu
02:09.10dpkgqemu is, like, a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary).
02:09.20unlinkabrotman: mp3 + banshee?
02:09.27unlinkabrotman: i386?
02:09.32peyoteroby: you can download jboss.. just untar the archive. but theres no package.
02:09.40abrotmanunlink: yep
02:09.48abrotmanunlink: aptitude install banshee .. all works fine
02:09.50puntoUYi will try qemu, thanks :)
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02:10.50robypeyote: thanks
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02:11.49unlinkabrotman: gstreamer?
02:12.00bruno-cassolguys.. i need to know what editor you recomend for PHP dev under debian? (please no vi)
02:12.24abrotmanunlink: i thnik so
02:12.27Nielsenbruno-cassol: quanta ;)
02:12.47abrotmanbruno-cassol: vim
02:12.47PingFloyd_bruno-cassol: vim
02:12.47Kevin`bruno-cassol I usually use nano, but that's not ideal
02:12.47PingFloyd_bruno-cassol: or vim-gtk
02:12.48victoribruno-cassol, eclipse with viplugin obviously
02:12.57Nielsenhehe or mc -e
02:13.06victorijust use eclipse with php IDE
02:13.11bruno-cassolpeople downgrade eclipse to such a vi level with extensions?
02:13.12victoriyou should feel at home there
02:13.24victorianyway why bother dealing with php anyway where there are better solutions?
02:13.34bruno-cassol=)
02:13.43litagehow does one force logrotate to rotate a log file? from the manpage, i thought ``logrotate -fv /etc/logrotate.d/asterisk'' would force rotation even if logrotate doesn't think it's necessary. however, running that results in this output:   considering log /var/log/asterisk/messages. log does not need rotating
02:13.53bruno-cassolthast no what i asked victori =) lets not start a language war here
02:14.10victoriI did give you an answer
02:14.17bruno-cassoli apreciate
02:14.33bruno-cassoli already worked with eclipse and that will be my first try
02:14.37bruno-cassolthank you guys
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02:17.40unlinkabrotman: that's it, it was a gstreamer plugin
02:17.52abrotmanunlink: all happy now ?
02:18.10twobitspritebruno-cassol: what's wrong with vi?
02:18.33bruno-cassolnothing
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02:19.17puntoUYwow!!! qemu rocks :D
02:19.18abrotmanunlink: that's a hellishly bloated player :)
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02:19.51twobitspritepuntoUY: indeed
02:20.10twobitspritebruno-cassol: just don't like it for PHP?
02:20.43twobitspritehow do I force apt-get to fully re-download and reinstall a package and all it's depends?
02:20.56PingFloyd_--reinstall
02:21.20twobitspritePingFloyd_: doesn't seem to do what I'm describing
02:21.34PingFloyd_apt-get install --reinstall packages
02:21.48Nielsentwobitsprite: you need to name all the packages manually
02:21.58twobitspriteNielsen: ahh
02:22.05PingFloyd_or purge the main package first
02:22.10PingFloyd_and then install it again
02:22.23Nielsentwobitsprite: apt-cache show package and look for the depends line
02:22.25PingFloyd_maybe will need to run deborphan as well
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02:24.45zeelothello
02:24.57PingFloyd_you can also pipe that into say apt-get remove --purge, but exercise some care and do a test run first
02:25.27zeelotI have a 700gig ext3 partition, how can I mount it to /home/backup so that all users can read and write to it?
02:25.29magyarhi, need to copy files from one server to another in the same network. What is the quickest way to do that?
02:25.39Noborusancan someone suggest me a good domain mange tool ?
02:25.45themillmagyar: rsync
02:25.47NoborusanI cannot afford cpanel
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02:26.25abrotmanzeelot: man mount
02:26.45edjuHow do I configure hald?  /etc/hal/ doesn't seem to have  a config file, I don't have hald.conf (running etch) $ /usr/lib/hal just has scary-looking executables.
02:26.46Nielsenmagyar: rsync or scp
02:26.56twobitspriteNoborusan: are you running a hosting service?
02:27.10Noborusantwobitsprite, will do,im currently working on it,so yes
02:27.15magyarNielsen: what about mounting a drive over the network?
02:27.50Noborusantwobitsprite, plesk is acceptable by renting ,cpanel is outta budget
02:27.51magyarNielsen: rsync and scp will use ssh
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02:28.20Nielsenmagyar: well, there is nfs, smbfs, and so on... you wern't very specific in what you needed
02:28.34twobitspriteNoborusan: might be better off asking in #web maybe?
02:28.44Noborusanoh,thanks
02:28.48magyarNielsen: smbfs sounds good
02:29.09twobitspritemagyar: if its from unix to unix, use nfs... smbfs is _slow_
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02:29.19abrotmanrsync doesn't have to use ssh
02:31.00purplepenguinsnfs is good
02:31.00purplepenguinsfor unix lans
02:31.00magyartwobitsprite: i need to configure nfs on both servers
02:31.00twobitspritemagyar: is this an obstacle, or simply an observation?
02:31.01magyartwobitsprite: not really an obsticle, but more of a setting up issue
02:31.20twobitspriteecho "/ *" > /etc/exports ... something like that?
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02:31.33Master_Medichey
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02:32.16twobitspriteor maybe: echo "/ 0.0.0.0(rw)" >> /etc/exports && /etc/init.d/nfs restart
02:32.36Master_Medici want to use curl in this c program, so i did #include <curl/curl.h> but it says that there is no such file or directory
02:32.41Master_Medici have libcurl3 installed and everything
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02:32.47Master_Medicbut for some reason there are no header files
02:32.52Master_Medicor any curl libs
02:32.57Master_Medicyet curl does work
02:32.57twobitspriteMaster_Medic: libcurl3-dev?
02:33.04Master_Medicno.. not the -dev one
02:33.06Master_Medici need that?
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02:33.25twobitspritethe -dev packages usually include the stuff you need to compile against a given library... so yes
02:33.32Master_Medicahh ic
02:33.34Master_Medicthanks :]
02:33.37twobitspritenp
02:33.40zeelotabrotman: anything specific to look at?
02:34.08abrotmanzeelot: there are options for permissions for mounting
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02:38.43shadey_karsten: I don't know... what do these 'chicks' look like? :-)
02:38.58buuJESUS COME TO LIFE.
02:39.28Nielsenbuu: good for him
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02:41.41dfrankeis there a debian installer available intended for booting from a USB drive?
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02:42.14abrotman!usb install
02:42.14dpkgrumour has it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian
02:42.21abrotmani think you want the second
02:42.38dfrankeok, thanks.
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02:45.06zeelotabrotman: dont get it = /
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02:47.08scironevery --method=ftp usage of debmirror results in an Illegal PORT command.  any clue where I can look for diagnostics?
02:48.06Nielsensignuts: check for passive/active ftp settings
02:48.36scirontried that, same results.  http xfers simply result in 404s from files I have verified through a browser that exist
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02:51.30cammoblammoCan anyone tell me how to add a label to a vfat USB drive at /dev/sda1? mtools seems to want a drive letter, and nothing else seems to do vfat.
02:52.52Nielsencammoblammo: are you formatting it or do you just want a label?
02:53.25cammoblammoI just want to add a label
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02:55.39mfrischabrotman: I have a question does dsl use a specific lease time for dhcp?
02:55.49abrotmanup to the ISP
02:56.14mfrischabrotman: thought so thanks.  how are you?
02:56.23abrotmantired
02:56.29mfrischme too
02:57.07Nielsencammoblammo: i can't seem to find the command.
02:57.17mfrischI just converted another windows user ;-) (to debian)
02:57.28zeelothey I installed kde into debian and now when I try to run a program from the console I get an error  Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
02:57.35abrotmandon't run apps as root
02:57.41cammoblammoNielsen: Neither can I! mlabel si the obvious one, but /dev/sda1 doesn't have a drive letter.
02:57.52zeelotI dont know if kde is the problem but it was a fresh install without desktop environment
02:57.53Nielsencammoblammo: i'll do a bit of testing
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02:58.15abrotmanzeelot: i believe ext3 supports the fmask and dmask optoins for mount
02:58.55mfrischabrotman: or sux but if he doesn't know
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02:59.24en1gmahey all wuzzup
02:59.53en1gmai just installed firestarter firewall and dont see it in any of the K-menus
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02:59.58en1gmawhere does it install it at
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03:00.44abrotmantry the debian menu
03:00.50nevyn~~
03:00.58aptEvery moment in which I'm called upon is torture.
03:00.58nevyn<PROTECTED>
03:00.58nevyneep!
03:00.58chuckok i've got a debian installation, and everything works fine except for when i try to connect to an irc network
03:00.58nevynsorry about that.
03:01.01chuckanyone know why?
03:01.20en1gmathanks
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03:02.35Nielsencammoblammo: you need to configure mtools.conf
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03:02.50Nielsencammoblammo: man mtools.conf
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03:03.23cammoblammoNielsen: Thanks. I'll check it out.
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03:09.12bruno-cassolafter installing eclipse from synaptic it said: "A Java Runtime Environment (JRE) or Java Development Kit (JDK)  must be available in order to run Eclipse". What should I do? (probably the question is what virtual machine should I install)
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03:09.29asarch!java
03:09.29dpkgJava is Sun's cross-platform OO language.  Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007).  There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse.  The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free.  Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free>
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03:10.16cwheeler!install java
03:10.17dpkgfrom memory, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine".  if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid.
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03:12.11bruno-cassolwhast most advanced free java virtual machine?
03:12.15bruno-cassolwhats*
03:12.40abrotmanyou'd think the sun one .. no?
03:13.21bruno-cassoli mean the real free ones.. close source is nt considered free.. you pay a price for it even if is not money
03:13.40asarchbruno-cassol: ClassPath?
03:13.58abrotmanask #debian-java on irc.oftc.net
03:15.01cplx_hi guys
03:15.06cplx_how can i use apt-get with a proxy config script
03:15.42cplx_ive tried" export http_proxy="http://whatever.wahtever.com/proxy.proxy"
03:15.45cplx_and its not working
03:17.25bruno-cassoli have gij (gnu java bytecode interpreter) installed and eclipse still says there is not java virtual machine installed... who's wrong? me or eclipse?
03:18.17abrotmancplx_: man apt.conf ?
03:18.19cplx_when i do an apt-get update it just says "Failed to fetch etc etc"
03:18.28cplx_abrotman: can I use a proxy config script with apt?
03:18.51abrotmanNFC .. i don't use apt-get with a proxy .. and never have
03:19.00cplx_rofl.
03:19.23nevyncplx_: export http_proxy="http://proxy:8080/"
03:19.52cplx_nevyn: read up mate.
03:20.06nevyncplx_: do you need to authenticate to the proxy?
03:20.16cplx_nevyn: export http_proxy="http://whatever.whatever:3128/proxy.proxy"
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03:20.26cplx_nevyn: don't think so.
03:20.37nevynwhat's proxy.proxy on the end?
03:21.01cplx_nevyn: actually use I thik i do need to authenticate.. it says "111 connection refused"
03:21.06cplx_nevyn: auto config proxy script
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03:21.20nevynah.
03:21.24nevynthat won't work
03:21.27piztek3anyone here know how to install awn?
03:21.39nevynyou need to specify the actual http proxy.
03:21.51nevynnot the .pac
03:23.50cplx_nevyn: how do i authenticate with it?
03:23.51nevynexport http_proxy="http://user.password@proxy:port/
03:23.51nevyn"
03:23.51nevynI think
03:23.51nevynI think it's . it may be :
03:23.51nevynas the user pass seperator
03:23.58nevynnah it's not :
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03:27.52kpaolosomeone can tell me how to get the fonts of the main menù bold??
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03:28.57tritoulhey guys, I'm moving from gentoo to debian, what's the equivalent of USE Flags ? when I want to apt-get install mysql-server, there are tones of dependencies, where can I set them ?
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03:29.38nevyntritoul: you don't get that level of granularity
03:29.49tritoul:) what if I cant to get that level of granularity ?
03:29.58nevyn?
03:29.58tritoulsorry what if I want ...
03:30.06nevynuse gentoo ;)
03:30.09kpaolosomeone can tell me how to get the fonts of the main menù bold??
03:30.16kpaoloi'm using gnome
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03:31.03nevyntritoul: seriously.. I can't be bothered with gentoo but if you want to rebuild applications when you've forgotten ldap support and then find you need it or whatever.. use gentoo.
03:31.18tritoulnevyn: I am not moving from gentoo, I loved it too much :P
03:31.41thingfishyou just said you were.
03:31.55bruno-cassolyes you did
03:31.56\amethystIf you're recompiling all your programs with a subset of the features from the debian package, it's not really debian anymore
03:32.06nevynthat's the thing
03:32.12asarch\amethyst: Is gentoo
03:32.18piztek3is there a chat for awn or avant window manager
03:32.18asarch\amethyst: :-D
03:32.33nevyndebian provides a single binary that has the features that the maintainer decides are important
03:32.54DawnLightmaintainers are cool
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03:33.41\amethysttritoul: you can rebuild the packages yourself, and edit the debian/rules etc to change the way it's compiled... but that's not quite the same as USE flags
03:33.47tritoulI just need more experience of debian for my next job so I installed it in a vmware on my sweet gentoo. It takes me 100mb for mysql-server, the mysql-server package takes like 30mb, what is there a way of not installing all the dependencies package ?
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03:34.26\amethysttritoul:  because it won't work without the dependency packages
03:34.46piztek3anyone know anything about awn?
03:35.04gonzaloaf_laptopHiryu, I want to connect to a wifi network, in shared mode with an ASCII key, whats the command I should use: iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open ?
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03:35.23nevyntritoul: because they're dependancies..
03:35.26tritoul\amethyst: my mysql-server can work well without the tones of perl package that apt-get try to make me install.
03:35.30nevynthey're needed to make the program work.
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03:35.39shazamhello
03:35.41shazamim using etch
03:35.42nevyntritoul: can.. the debian package doesn't
03:35.43shazamwanna switch to sid
03:35.43gonzaloaf_laptopHiryu, I want to connect to a wifi network, in shared mode with an ASCII key, whats the command I should use: iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open ?
03:35.47\amethysttritoul:  which perl packages?
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03:35.48shazamis there an easy way to do this?
03:35.56Akuma_i have a symlink to a bin file, but that file looks into its current dir for another one so it fails when executed from the symlink. is there a way to fix that?
03:35.56gonzaloaf_laptopHello, I want to connect to a wifi network, in shared mode with an ASCII key, whats the command I should use: iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open ?
03:36.14xoz_shazam: if you have to ask, then don't switch
03:36.38xoz_gonzaloaf_laptop: read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/
03:36.55Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop you have to use a special syntax to have it convert the ascii key to the actual hex key for you
03:36.56tritoul\amethyst: libplrpc-perl, libdbi-perl, and much more
03:37.00Kevin`I think it's a:somekey
03:37.10gonzaloaf_laptopxoz_, I'm in windows right now, I cant connecto from gnu/linux
03:37.19Kevin`man iwconfig will tell you
03:37.26Kevin`but I don't have iwconfig on this computer, so I can't check
03:37.33gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, why an hex key? it uses an ASCII key
03:38.06Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop all keys are really hex keys, it just has to do a conversion to get from the ascii key to the real key
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03:38.35gonzaloaf_laptopmy doubt is the "shared" mode, I dont know how to specify this thing
03:38.36Kevin`can you see my view on using ascii keys? ;)
03:38.45Rusty1gonzaloaf_laptop:   http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/iwconfig.8.html
03:38.56gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, it is with the "s:key"
03:39.03gonzaloaf_laptop"s:your_key"
03:39.13Kevin`ok, good
03:39.14Kevin`then you know..
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03:39.46Sazpaimondammit, i forgot the command that displays the last few lines of a file
03:39.47gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I used that but it didnt work anyway.... how do I tell it to use the shared way?
03:40.01gonzaloaf_laptopSazpaimon, tail
03:40.07Sazpaimonthanks
03:40.15gonzaloaf_laptopnp
03:40.33Kevin`gonzaloaf_work the way you specifified is a shared key, anything else uses dynamic keys and requires special programs to authenticate
03:41.03Kevin`(and happens to be more secure, btw, but most people really don't need to bother with that sort of thing)
03:41.06gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, can you tell me the whole line of iwconfig?
03:41.26Kevin`iwconfig ath0 essid BlahPoint key s:hello
03:41.39gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I have tried with iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open
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03:42.51Kevin`oh also, be sure to bring the interface up first
03:43.05Kevin`otherwise the radio is disabled and you won't connect
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03:43.35gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, it was up
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03:47.46gonzaloaf_laptopIf the output of the iwlist command was http://www.pastebin.ca/488703 what command should I use to connect to that network?
03:48.49thingfishgosh etch sure is nice.
03:49.00Kevin`iwconfig ath0 essid "UP_WI-Fi" key 1234fedcba
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03:49.17gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, ok let me try
03:49.47thingfishNielsen: sid is not in tantrum mode atm?
03:50.00Nielsennot for me, at least
03:50.15thingfishOK might as well try it out for myself.
03:50.23Kevin`that was, of course, an example key
03:50.50Nielsenthingfish: i think the trick is not to dist-upgrade that often
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03:51.07gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I know
03:51.25thingfishNielsen: indeed.  That's always been the way to do sid, at least for us less adventurous types.
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03:52.08en1gmasup akk
03:52.08fonstorcan i allocate freespace in a non-LVM drive to a fs? i know that will re-write the partition table in the MBR.
03:52.08fonstori mean will not destroy any existing partitions on the drive?
03:52.08fonstorwill it
03:52.34Kevin`as in, use a filesystem on a normal partition?
03:52.39Kevin`is that what your asking?
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03:53.10en1gmai have a cable modem connected to cpu1 and cpu1 connects to cpu2 (local network) i have ipmasq and firestarter on cpu1. when i start firestarter cpu1 can connect....if i enable ICS neither cpu1 or cpu2 can connect to net
03:53.24en1gmado i need to do somehting with ipmasq or what
03:53.24Kevin`you can put a filesystem on any block device with a driver that supports basic operations
03:53.32gonzaloaf_laptophow can I share this connection to my desktop? I have a Linksys wrt54g router.... I'm connected right now in my laptop to a wifi net.... can I share the connection to my desktop using my router?
03:53.32\amethysten1gma: ICS?
03:53.40en1gmafirestarter has ICS
03:53.47en1gmainternet connection sharing
03:53.55en1gmaso it says
03:54.11gonzaloaf_laptopfirestarter?
03:54.23Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop use enable ip forwarding and NAT on your computer, then connect the router to your computer's lan poirt
03:54.23\amethystit's a firewall config tool
03:54.29gonzaloaf_laptopI forgot to mention that I'm in winbugs right now
03:54.33Kevin`you can connect to either the lan or wan ports, depending on your configuration
03:54.34xozen1gma: make sure you enabled IP forwarding
03:54.40en1gmawhere do i do that at
03:54.42cafuegoiptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE; sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
03:54.46cafuegotadah, ICS
03:54.52en1gmaokie 1 sec
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03:54.59en1gmai think its on my eth2 though
03:55.02Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop windows can do this too, but it really sucks at bieng a router.. use it only if you have to
03:55.06cafuegos/ppp0/whatever interafce is wan/
03:55.11en1gmawould that be pp2
03:55.26en1gmaand i think its using ip6
03:55.35gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I'm using winbugs because I cannot connect to the wifi net from debian, I dont know why
03:56.56\amethystwhat do statisctics packages have to do with wifi?
03:56.59Kevin`this is one of those things where bieng there would probably help - I have very good luck with wifi when I touch it, but other people don't :)
03:57.02\amethysts/sct/st/
03:57.40intruderKevin`: :)
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03:58.59gonzaloaf_laptopCan I connect my wrt54g to the wifi network and share the connection to all my computers in my house?
03:59.19Kevin`should be able to.
03:59.36gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, how?
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03:59.41Kevin`first, a question:
04:00.05Kevin`do you want to bridge it so local computers connect to the wrt54g like it's the original wifi network, or put it in pure client mode and route
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04:02.56gostonhi
04:03.02Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop well?
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04:03.40gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, yep
04:03.45Kevin`which.
04:03.53gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, first option
04:04.10Kevin`the first is more tricky to set up, and may need cooperation from the other access point
04:04.13gostoncan i allocate freespace in a non-LVM drive to a fs ? will it destroy any existing fs? i understand it will involve re-writing the partition table in the MBR.
04:04.28gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, what about the 2nd?
04:04.38en1gmaanyone have a firestarter howto for ics
04:04.46en1gmaill read it i dont mind
04:05.11Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop that will work for any configuration but will tie up the radio on the router, so you will have to connect to it with ethernet or connect a second ap to it
04:05.37gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I can use ethernet
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04:06.28Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop in either case, you will need custom firmware on your router to do this
04:06.36Kevin`fairly easy to do.
04:06.44gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, :o
04:06.58gostonno disk partition expert around?
04:06.59gonzaloaf_laptopany possibility to damage it?
04:07.00Kevin`if you have no very little experience with linux or ip routing I recommend dd-wrt, otherwise openwrt
04:07.12Kevin`it's very hard to irreperably damage
04:07.35Kevin`there are low level recovery methods that are pretty easy to do and will work as long as you haven't broken the hardware
04:08.21gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, after I can get back the original firmware? or the new one will be the same with more features?
04:08.37Kevin`it will be different with a lot more features =p
04:08.47gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, ok lets do that
04:08.52Kevin`and yes, you can go back if you want
04:09.00gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, do you have the same AP?
04:09.03Kevin`which version of the wrt54g do you have
04:09.08Kevin`I do have one
04:09.18Kevin`it's sitting on my desk bieng an ap
04:09.22gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, 2
04:09.23Kevin`i've had it for several years
04:09.30Kevin`ah, 2 is good.
04:09.47gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, Firmware Version: v3.03.6
04:10.21Kevin`http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Linksys/WRT54G
04:10.24Kevin`general reading
04:11.37gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, the page seems to be down
04:11.44Kevin`press f5
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04:12.54gonzaloaf_laptopsame thing
04:13.09Kevin`well it's working for me :/
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04:13.41Kevin`anyway, I suppose you could get along without reading that
04:13.45gonzaloaf_laptopok
04:13.51gonzaloaf_laptopit is working now
04:13.53Kevin`do you consider yourself good with linux and ip?
04:14.03gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, yep
04:14.21Kevin`definitely install openwrt then
04:14.30gonzaloaf_laptopwhat version?
04:14.33Kevin`0.9
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04:15.11Kevin`if your feeling lucky you could install the svn version, which has quite a few new features like virtual access points and such, but, only do that when you know how to recover it :)
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04:16.44Kevin`further talk should be in #openwrt, as this is definitely not debian, and I don't know all the intricacies of the default config system
04:17.06Hestonwhy isnt there a netinstall iso in the testing weekly repository?
04:17.30gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, where did you download it from?
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04:18.22Kevin`I did svn co https://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/branches/whiterussian/, but perhaps you want this: http://downloads.openwrt.org/whiterussian/0.9/default/openwrt-wrt54g-squashfs.bin
04:19.44Kevin`you can actually just stick that into the web interface, but I strongly recommend you do the install via tftp so you know you can do it in the future when you break something
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04:21.36gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, the whiterussian version?
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04:22.39en1gmacan someone please help with firestarter
04:22.42Kevin`yes, install the whiterussian version. anything newer then 0.9 will be a snapshot of the development version and might not be stable
04:22.48en1gmai have the howto up but it is not working
04:22.56en1gmahttp://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php
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04:23.42Kevin`never used firestarter, my version of connection sharing involves two commands and installing isc dhcpd
04:24.18en1gmawell the firewall actually is nice
04:24.25en1gmareports me as stealth at grc.com
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04:24.46Kevin`if I wanted stealth I wouldn't have to manage my own firewall now would I :)
04:24.56gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, are you there?
04:25.01Kevin`yes i'm here
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04:25.08gonzaloaf_laptopI think I lost connection
04:25.15gonzaloaf_laptopcan we continue?
04:25.15Kevin`you seem to be here
04:25.38en1gma:)
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04:26.25gonzaloaf_laptopwhat branch of the openwrt do I have to donwload?
04:26.39Kevin`I gave you a link to the appropriate file before :/
04:27.05Kevin`you want openwrt whiterussian 0.9 standard for the wrt54g
04:27.06gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I didnt receive it
04:27.17be`ohow do I check encoding of one file? it should be utf-8
04:27.26Kevin`http://downloads.openwrt.org/whiterussian/0.9/default/openwrt-wrt54g-squashfs.bin
04:27.27gonzaloaf_laptopbe`o, enc
04:27.56Kevin`be`o 'file' will report most information about a file
04:28.15be`oKevin`, it just show type of file, not encode
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04:28.53Kevin`well I don't have a utf8 text file to test with, but I remember it reporting things like that
04:29.44Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing - recommended tftp
04:29.52bruno-cassolanyone here had sucess installing eclipse with PHP plugin?
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04:30.06NoborusanThere is a new product which seems to replace GD lib,i forgot the name of it,maybe ImageMagic ?
04:30.14lfsU need to create a filesystem before mounting a partition?
04:30.20gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, remember that I 'm in winbugs right now
04:30.34Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop and? :)
04:30.39lfsWHat is mkfs command for creating a filesystem?
04:30.47Kevin`i'll remember it, but it doesn't really matter whether your in windows or linux
04:30.54Kevin`lfs what type of filesystem
04:31.00lfsI dont really care
04:31.08Kevin`mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever
04:31.20lfstks
04:31.27Kevin`you can also do it to a normal file if you have reason to, of course
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04:35.37lfsI am trying to make a boot grub USB stick
04:36.03lfsSO I created two partitions on the stick and copied /boot/grub to it.
04:36.33Nielsenlfs: i tried that too, and failed, since it relies on the usb disk being the same device on boot
04:36.59Kevin`lfs when you install grub make sure grub thinks the device is the first hard disk
04:37.02Nielsenso it's not a portable boot disk
04:37.26Kevin`when the bios boots from it it will be the first device
04:37.29gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, i'm flashing it out
04:37.43NielsenKevin`: i tried that too, without luck. as soon as i booted on another pc, with a disk, it failed
04:37.44gonzaloaf_laptopwait a sec
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04:38.25Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop most management in openwrt, at least the way i've always used it, is done through ssh, fyi
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04:40.56gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, wait a moment I have to disconnect from internet to do the flashng thing, I have to change the IP of my computer
04:41.02gonzaloaf_laptopbrb
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04:46.08lfsWill setup update device.map?
04:47.30Kevin`grub-install will use the existing map unless it doesn't exist. not sure about setup from within linux
04:47.44Kevin`setup from outside linux, of course, doesn't use the map, because it doesn't need it
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04:50.23gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I have a problem
04:50.34Kevin`?
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04:51.18Kevin`well?
04:51.21lfsHow to setup outside linux?
04:51.59Kevin`you can run setup from grub itself
04:52.28Kevin`but since your using a device that won't be in it's normal place until it's used, just edit the map appropriately
04:52.31gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, C:\Downloads>tftp -i 192.168.1.1 PUT openwrt-wrt54g-squashfs.bin
04:52.31gonzaloaf_laptopError in the serverr: Invalid Password !!
04:52.43Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop you waited too long
04:52.55gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, for what?
04:53.07Kevin`you waited too long before sending it
04:53.20Kevin`you have to send it while the bootloader is waiting, it's only a one or two second window
04:53.23Kevin`the page explains this
04:53.42lfsDoes /boot/grub need to be on the partition that is being boot from?
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04:53.56Kevin`if you can't get it to work you can of course use the web interface
04:54.00Kevin`lfs no
04:54.13Kevin`it needs to be available where it remembers it is, of course
04:54.18lfsSo how to get grub to find the setup files?
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04:54.42lfsgrub> setup (hd2)
04:54.42lfssetup (hd2)
04:54.42lfs<PROTECTED>
04:54.43Kevin`?
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04:54.58Kevin`root (hd2,partitionnumber)
04:55.01Kevin`setup (hd2)
04:55.23lfsSo partitionnumber is where the setup files are?
04:55.28Kevin`yes
04:55.36lfsThat makes sense,  I thought that was where to boot.
04:57.04lfsHere goes
04:57.04Kevin`be careful that you device will actually BE hd2 when your using it.. or update the device map to call it something else
04:57.04gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, lets pray it is upgrading
04:57.04lfsI created a directory called makingsure and put a file in it and using find in grub
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04:57.28gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I see the open wrt web interface now
04:57.41jetscreamergrub counts hd's starting at 0 and doesn't skip even if you have a cddrive on hdb or whatever
04:58.10Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop good.. set a password and login with ssh
04:58.40lfs<PROTECTED>
04:58.51lfsShould I reboot?  Think it will work?
04:59.07Kevin`if the device is hd2 on boot, yes..
04:59.24lfsthat maybe a problem
04:59.30NoborusanHow do  i know which MPM apache uses ?
04:59.32lfsWhy wouldnt it be?
04:59.42jetscreamerheh
04:59.49Kevin`that's what the map file is for. I don't know why it wouldn't be. usually the boot device is the first device though
04:59.52jetscreamerbecause you didn't use uuid
05:00.00Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop http://wiki.openwrt.org/ClientModeHowto
05:00.13jetscreamerand have >1 ide controller both with drives
05:00.16lfs(hd0)/dev/sda
05:00.17lfs(hd1)/dev/sdb
05:00.21jetscreamer(why)
05:00.32lfsThat is my device.map.  So hd2 must be next?
05:00.51versafferhey lfs o\your making a diskless linux?
05:00.58jetscreamergrub counts hd's starting at 0 and doesn't skip even if you have a cddrive on hdb or whatever
05:01.22lfsI want a bootable USB stick.  So I can fix my mbr
05:01.41versafferlfs dl the debian live cd
05:01.44Kevin`lfs the point that you need to understand is that the order of devices can change, and is guessed in linux. if the order will be different from what you have there, you need to update the device map on the target device then run setup
05:01.44jetscreamermake one
05:01.52lfsActually I want to install Vista and I am  having a hell of time dual booting.
05:02.03versafferlfs why>
05:02.06Kevin`lfs if your using the grub cli from withing linux there's an option when you start it to use a different map
05:02.15infernal_jesuslfs: Don't install Vista... It is crap, I've tried it and it's shit
05:02.26jetscreamervista beta 'always' overwrote mbr for me
05:02.28lfsIt also wipes out Debian
05:02.45jetscreameron every reboot
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05:02.51Nielsenonly place i dare installing vista is in vmware
05:02.56lfsReally?!?!?!
05:02.57versafferlfs: install vista first and then install debian so grub will be installed in the mbr
05:03.09lfsBut I already installed Debian first.
05:03.15lfsThen INstalled Vista
05:03.21Nielsenlfs: do you have a floppy drive?
05:03.22lfsThen got Debian back
05:03.29versafferlfs then install a boot loader for windows
05:03.34Kevin`pfft.
05:03.38Kevin`just reinstall grub
05:03.40Kevin`don'
05:03.43Kevin`t mess with windows crap
05:03.59lfsAfter getting Debian back, No more Vista
05:04.00Kevin`a grub boot cd is actually the easiest thing to make
05:04.07Kevin`second to a floppy
05:04.17Kevin`usb is harder, and depends on your hardware whether you can use it
05:04.24versafferlfs: then add your hd partition in your grub option
05:04.29lfsSO I need the Vista CD at this point.
05:04.46Kevin`why do you need the vista cd?
05:04.48lfsCause I cant get Vista to boot.
05:04.59Kevin`if your getting rid of it, why does that matter?
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05:05.29lfsI want both
05:05.29Kevin`ah
05:05.29Kevin`ok
05:05.29en1gmacan someone tell me the command to enable ics
05:05.29en1gmaforget about firestarter
05:05.30en1gmawhat is just the ipmasq or portforwarding command
05:05.32Kevin`en1gma two commands to technically do this:
05:05.41Kevin`echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
05:05.46en1gmai cant see the other computer with ifconfig -a
05:05.56Kevin`iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wan_interface_name -j MASQUERADE
05:06.09Kevin`ifconfig -a doesn't show other computers, why would you think that
05:06.20Xiresis it possible to change priorities of alternatives?
05:06.20jetscreamerset the vista bootloader up to boot linux
05:06.32Kevin`jetscreamer why?
05:06.38jetscreamerwhy not
05:06.40Kevin`why not have grub load vista?
05:06.44en1gmashould show my ip on the nic that connects to that computer
05:06.45lfsThat is my last desperate option
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05:06.48Kevin`because messing with the windows bootloader is a pain.
05:06.56jetscreamerXires: yes, but i don't know how it's done exactly.
05:07.04Zap-Wanyone know if nfsroot should also be in /etc/fstab in the diskless image?
05:07.08jetscreamerso what he's doing is easier eh
05:07.21Kevin`en1gma yes, it should, why don't you see one? did you set one? :)
05:07.23jetscreamerman update-alternatives
05:07.24lfsTHat is why I want a USB stick to boot Debian
05:07.27gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I want routed mode right?
05:07.36Xiresjetscreamer; K, that helps..thanks
05:07.41Kevin`Zap-W doesn't matter technically.
05:07.49Xiresmanpage doesn't seem to mention it
05:07.50Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop yes
05:08.00en1gmai dont remember
05:08.02en1gmai tried a few things
05:08.15Xireswill try googling w/ diff terms. thanks again, jetscreamer
05:08.16en1gmawhat would be my wan_interface_name
05:08.20Kevin`Zap-W if I were you I would put it in though, /dev/root on / type nfs 1 0
05:08.51Kevin`there are a few things that the entry is important for
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05:09.25en1gmai put in ppp0
05:09.37en1gmado i need to restart net connection
05:09.38Kevin`is ppp0 your internet interface?
05:09.42Kevin`you do not
05:09.56en1gmaim still typing so something must be good ;)
05:10.11en1gmaother computer dont get on net still
05:10.19Kevin`be aware that those two commands by themselves will not set up a dhcp server
05:10.19en1gmai think eth1 isnt workting
05:10.28Kevin`you will either need to install a dhcp server or assign them ips manually
05:10.36en1gmai installed dhcp and it starts auto i think
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05:10.48Web-Kanotix996Hello, apologies about the lame nic, just a quick question. How would I go about resizing my IceWeasel toolbar text? I cannot find any way to change it and it's huge.
05:10.51en1gmaeverytime i try to turn off dhcp for that connection it auto starts
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05:11.42Zap-WKevin`, /dev/root ??
05:11.46Kevin`if you did those two commands properly, and have a dhcp server running, and don't have any other firewall rules in the way, it should work
05:11.57en1gmais there a command to turn on eth1 ?
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05:12.05Zap-WKevin`, you mean /dev/nfs maybe ?
05:12.07Kevin`turn "on"? ifconfig eth1 up
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05:12.10en1gmawell kde network manager says its up
05:12.12Kevin`Zap-W I mean /dev/root
05:12.20Kevin`that's what it's reported to userspace as
05:12.21lfsThat didnt work.
05:12.22Zap-WKevin`, what is /dev/root
05:12.34lfsMY bios didnt see it as bootable disk
05:12.39Kevin`Zap-W go on any linux computer and cat /proc/mounts
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05:13.00Kevin`dev/root is what the kernel reports whatever the root device is
05:13.03Zap-WKevin`, oh indeed
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05:13.23en1gmawell no matter what i do this other computer will not connect to net
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05:13.29en1gmai cant believe it is this hard
05:13.29Kevin`since you won't be unmounting, or mounting it, more specifics like the server name aren't needed.
05:14.10Kevin`ok, you will have to give more information on your setup at this point, en1
05:14.12Kevin`en1gma
05:14.14XiresWeb-Kanotix996; I may be wrong, but I think the text on iceweasel's toolbar is from gtk settings, not just iceweasel
05:14.15lfsDo you have the ethernet port se up?
05:14.26Zap-WKevin`, and also nfs version parameter isnt need? like nfsvers=3 ?
05:14.29lfsTHe kernel needs a driver
05:14.35Web-Kanotix996Xires: Really? Where would one find that?
05:14.41en1gmayea i here
05:14.45Kevin`Zap-W that's never actually used by debian, is it? :), since it's mounted before init
05:15.11Kevin`en1gma on the router computer, pastebin the output of ifconfig -a, route -n, and iptables-save
05:15.34en1gmaok its cable modem to cpu1 (eth2) then cpu1 (eth1) to cpu2 (eth0)
05:16.10en1gmaCPU-1:/# ifconfig -a, route -n, and iptables-save
05:16.11en1gmaifconfig: option `-a,' not recognised.
05:16.21Kevin`are you sure your using debian?
05:16.25Web-Kanotix996Xires: Preferences > Font doesn't seem to be it. I will keep looking.
05:16.26Kevin`oh, I see
05:16.26en1gmaof course
05:16.31Kevin`do those commands one at a time
05:16.32en1gma:)
05:16.33Kevin`not all at once..
05:16.37en1gmaunless im on some acid
05:16.43muhooon an intel 945GM/yadda chip, how can i get my internal lcd at 1280x800 but the external monitor vga port at 1440x900 (60 hz)?
05:17.14muhoobecause my external lcd will *only* work at 1440x900 60hz, but the internal lcd on the laptop will *only* work at <= 1280x800
05:18.12en1gmahttp://pastebin.ca/488788
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05:18.51Kevin`you didn't show ifconfig -a
05:19.02jetscreamermuhoo: if it was an nvidia gpu you would use metamodes directive... some similar intel one i guess
05:19.02en1gmai put it in the command
05:19.09en1gmaits on pastebin
05:19.13Kevin`why do you insist on doing them all at once with half-working commands?
05:19.15Kevin`the output isn't there
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05:19.16jetscreamerin xorg.conf
05:19.33Kevin`en1gma you don't have your lan interface configured
05:19.52en1gmawhat do i need to do with that or shouldnt firestarter do it
05:20.20gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I cant connect to my router :(
05:20.22Kevin`firestarter likely would do it if you told it to. anyway, here's an example from my computer:
05:20.33Kevin`auto lan
05:20.33Kevin`iface lan inet static
05:20.33Kevin`<PROTECTED>
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05:20.54jetscreamerdont !tell Kevin` -about paste
05:20.55cahootmuhoo: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_900
05:20.59en1gmahttp://pastebin.ca/488792
05:21.01en1gmathere we go
05:21.29Kevin`ugh
05:21.33Kevin`stop doing that.
05:21.41en1gmai put firestarter info ther and no matter what the netwrok connection keeps being reset to DHCP
05:21.42Kevin`ifconfig -a; route -n; iptables-save
05:21.44gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, yo were kicked out
05:21.51Kevin`I noticed
05:22.12Zap-WKevin`, do you know how to make special dirs work with multiplie workstation  , like /dev /tmp /var  , also there is problem of file locking no?
05:22.15Kevin`en1gma did you se my four line example of an entry in /etc/network/interfaces?
05:22.20gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, can you help me.. I did step 1.2.2 and now I cant ssh my router
05:22.32Kevin`what's step 1.2.2
05:22.48Kevin`ah ok
05:22.50en1gmahttp://pastebin.ca/488793
05:23.05en1gmathat is what i was going to ask was where to put it
05:23.08en1gmaok 1 sec
05:23.18Kevin`en1gma you should have put eth2, not ppp0
05:23.27Kevin`also, your lan interface isn't configured
05:23.35en1gmaohh ill change that too
05:24.10Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop your trying to connect via ethernet right?
05:25.01gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, check the flood channel plz
05:25.22en1gmahttp://pastebin.ca/488795
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05:28.30en1gmadid it work
05:29.08en1gmahttp://pastebin.ca/488798
05:29.21en1gmano internet for cpu2
05:30.38en1gmawhere did everyone go
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05:32.07Steven_Mdoes anyone here is firestater?
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05:33.40en1gmaim trying to get it to work but it dont
05:34.18Steven_Men1gma: oh ok
05:34.52en1gmawell it wroks great for 1 cpu
05:34.59en1gmabut if you have to do ics its a pain
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05:35.49fengorwhat the hell do you mean en1gma
05:36.00en1gmai mean i can not get it working
05:36.12en1gmai have even had help and cant get it working
05:36.14fengorwhat do you mean by cpu1 or cpu2
05:36.19en1gmabox 1 and box 2
05:36.28fengorthen say that ffs
05:36.59fengormy guess would be that box2 doesnt have a dhcp server running on its network
05:37.00en1gmayou cant actually be the only one here that thinkgs i would run a lan cable from a processor to another processor can you
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05:37.09fengorso the cards cannot automagically be configured
05:37.09en1gmadhcp is running on both
05:37.33en1gmawell the network manager shows dhcp on both
05:37.37fengorwell lets just say regarding yesterday it wouldnt be your dumebst comment
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05:37.40en1gmaand it can not be set to manual
05:37.58en1gmaif you really want to troll please move on to somone else
05:38.04fengorthen open up your favourite editor and edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand
05:38.19en1gmai have got it opened and pasted on pastebin
05:38.56fengoryeah i saw it
05:39.06fengorbtw you have a dhcp client installed on box 2 have you?
05:39.15fengoren1gma: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254
05:39.19Steven_Mfengor: do you use firestarter?
05:39.22en1gmaboth say they have dhcp up and running on both boxes
05:39.24fengorno Steven_M
05:39.41fengorwhat is your ifconfig output en1gma ?
05:40.29en1gmak 1 sec
05:41.07en1gmahttp://pastebin.ca/488808
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05:41.17en1gmabtw thnx for being nice and sorry if i was saying something rude
05:41.18Steven_Mfengor: can you recomend a good iptables interface?
05:41.37fengori normally use the commandline Steven_M
05:41.50fengorbut i have a rather simple iptables setup
05:42.03en1gmai think it would have been better
05:42.11en1gmai think i should uninstall firestarter for now
05:42.16en1gmait might be messing both boxes up
05:42.23en1gmabox 2 does not have it running
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05:42.27en1gmabut it is installed
05:42.44en1gmaim going to remove it...should i also remove ipmasq
05:43.00Steven_Mfengor: ok thanks
05:43.36Noborusanso quiet here
05:43.40fengoren1gma: hold your horses
05:43.55fengoryou have 3 network cards in your boxen?
05:44.16en1gmawell there is an eth0 but that is always picked up but its really firewire i think
05:44.24en1gmai already uninstalled firestarter
05:44.30en1gmashould i shutdown
05:44.32fengorsigh
05:44.35fengorno
05:44.38en1gmaand box 2 uninstalled it too
05:44.45en1gmai think it was messing it up
05:44.53fengorso oyu have 2 network cards in the computers? on each?
05:45.03fengorand what exactly is the setup you want to do?
05:45.08en1gma2 on this one (box 1) and 1 in box2
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05:45.43fengorok 1 is for communicating with box 2 i suppose and the other?
05:45.46en1gmawell i have helped a friend get debian going and hes going to take his box home tomorrow so we were both going to play around in our debian boxes tonight
05:46.00en1gmabut it appears like the only way we can both be on is if i boot to windows
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05:46.30fengoren1gma: how are you going to connect to the net?
05:46.41en1gmayep it goes like this (cable modem to eth2 (box1), eth1 (box1) to eth0 (box2)
05:46.52en1gmahis box connects through mine
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05:47.13fengoryour box hangs directly on the cable modem?
05:47.21fengoror are you connected to a router?
05:47.21en1gmayeo
05:47.28en1gmastraight to modem
05:47.56fengorok then here is what you do: open your interfaces file change eth1 to eth0 and eth2 to eth1
05:48.03fengorthen restart your networking
05:48.04en1gmadont really care about a firewall for one night (as when he leaves ill just install firestarter)
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05:49.08en1gmaok 1 sec
05:49.09fengorand its just a lan for 1 night ? right?
05:49.20en1gmaa lan connected to cable modem
05:49.22en1gmayep
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05:49.31en1gmawell its not a lan really is it
05:49.37en1gmaits an ics gateway
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05:49.54fengorgood no first check if everythign still works. it should have only changed the numbering of the ethx and dropped eth0 if i'm not mistaken
05:50.12en1gmak 1 sec still havent edited yet
05:50.20en1gmadoes he need to do anything to his box
05:50.32fengoror wait better elave it as its be when it works on box 1
05:50.43fengorits ugly but hell we can change that some other time
05:50.49fengoryes he needs to do something
05:50.51en1gmak 1 min
05:50.56fengorbut first we are going to setup box1
05:51.45en1gmarestarting network home im back soon :)
05:51.53fengorchange the interfaces entry of the network card thats going to communicate with box 2 to a static ip of 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
05:52.03fengorhow you do that is in the url i gave you earlier
05:52.28Steven_Manyone here running shorewall?
05:52.37fengorthen set on box 2 the network card to ip  10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
05:53.07fengorthe add on box 2 a default gateway to 10.0.0.1
05:53.09en1gmafengor looks like im on...if i change his ip to static something is setting it right back to dhcp
05:53.26en1gmai think it was firestarter (i hope)...its uninstalled now so we will see
05:54.35en1gmaon my network connections it shows eth1 as dhcp and eth2 with an assigned ip address
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05:54.58fengordoes internet work on box 1?
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05:55.17en1gmayea i on it right now :)
05:55.27fengorgood then go to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23
05:55.39fengorand paste the iptables script in a file on your box
05:55.51fengorthen edit it according to your eth numbering
05:56.22fengoreth0 in the script must be thee ethx you use for the lan and eth1 in the script the ethx you use for inet
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05:57.13en1gmai have it in a txt file
05:57.16fengorhow did you change the ip on box 2?
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05:57.31en1gmai tried to use network connections
05:57.49marc7what's the deal with netbase depending on openbsd-inetd? why do we need the inetd superserver anyway?
05:58.20en1gmadidnt we change the ethxx in the network.conf file
05:58.20fengornetwork connections?
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05:58.55en1gmayes its K-menu>Settings>Internet and network>Network Settings
05:58.57Fetohowdy
05:59.02gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, no success :(
05:59.05fengorjust use the commandline
05:59.10FetoI plugged a USB drive, and now i don't know what device iti s
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05:59.28fengorjust use the damn command line *sigh*
05:59.44fengoreither edit /etc/network/interfaces if it shopuld be a permanente change
05:59.52en1gmai did that too
05:59.58en1gmaand it changes back to dhcp
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06:00.03fengoror use ifconfig command if you want it temporarily
06:00.10Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop well the first command you showed in #openwrt you forgot the s: otherwise, as I said, I don't know how. perhaps you should look on the target router for the actual key?
06:00.15fengorare you sure he is running debian?
06:00.19Fetoen1gma: is there a rc.conf you can use? :P
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06:00.54en1gmahang on im still trying to figure out what to change in the txt file
06:00.55FetoI would really like to know what device is my usb drive
06:00.55en1gma1 sec
06:01.00fengorFeto: rc.conf? we arent in suse here. the settigns he need are in /etc/network/interfaces ;)
06:01.16fengorprobably some sdaX Feto
06:01.28fengordunno didnt used usb thumbdrives much so far
06:01.35gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I have the key, is: paciFico2wiFi
06:01.53Kevin`that's not the actual key, it's just an ascii representation of it
06:01.54Fetofengor: i was thinking more along the lines of bsd =) but that's what i meant, a proper configuration file
06:01.59Kevin`and obviously it's causing you problems..
06:02.24en1gmai think i made all changes in that txt file now what i do with it
06:02.26gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, look from windows I am able to connect to it
06:02.31Fetosda, sdb are my sata disks
06:02.57Fetohowever i got an sdd and sdd1
06:03.07Fetoaparently those are the ones :)
06:03.11en1gmafengor i made changes in that txt file
06:03.16en1gmai think it is correct
06:03.18Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop and from linux your not, and you don't know why? perhaps your not entering the key properly, as I said, I use the actual key directly so I don't know about that
06:03.32rican-linuxhello
06:03.46Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop so, find someone who does know how it works, find the actual key, or keep reading
06:04.07rican-linuxdoes anyone here use gnash
06:04.17fengoren1gma: i have to get some work done but basically you need to do the following: setup ient on box1 (which you did), configure second network card on box1 (which you did too if i understood you correctly), set up network card in box 2 so it can talk to box1 (that is use ping etc to see if it reaches box2, then enabling firewallr ules as in the article i linked you. and voila box2 should be able to reach the internet
06:04.20gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, can I capture the "real key" from windows?
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06:04.59en1gmahttp://pastebin.ca/488832
06:05.00pujiarahmanany body can help
06:05.09Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop perhaps, ##windows might know. or just look up the algorithm that's used
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06:05.49en1gmawhat do i do with that script you told me to dload and edit to eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth2
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06:07.09en1gmaforget this
06:07.30en1gmaill just let him connect through windows box
06:07.39en1gmathis should not be this diffucly
06:07.43en1gmabbiab in windows
06:07.46Kevin`en1gma I assure you it is quite possible. honestly, understanding of networking would help.
06:07.50Kevin`=p
06:08.00en1gmayou dont htink i understand
06:08.06Kevin`no, I don't
06:08.10en1gmawell i rem you trying to help and didnt get it done now did you
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06:08.20en1gmaand also fengor too
06:08.22Kevin`it works here.
06:08.29en1gmayea works for me in windows too
06:08.41en1gmaics and everything isnt that amazing
06:08.45Kevin`that's because windows hides everything behind a pretty wizard and has no configuration power
06:08.59en1gmai can do it all manually too
06:09.05en1gmahook up an xbox also
06:09.10Kevin`for ics, you actually can't.
06:09.15en1gmai do it all the time
06:09.22Kevin`you can only use the default range
06:09.23en1gmamaybe you cant
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06:09.42Kevin`I don't do it all the time, because linux is a good deal more powerful as networking is concerned
06:09.43en1gmai set static ips and do the ics my self with no network wizard
06:09.47Kevin`but no, it doesn't hold your hand
06:09.55en1gmai do it all the time cuase its easy
06:09.59en1gmaand i format alot
06:10.01Kevin`if you had static ips working then why were you trying to get dhcp working now?
06:10.09Kevin`just set it up static..
06:10.18en1gmajust admit it. you seen my config files and settings and didnt solve it did you
06:10.31Kevin`I left to help someone else halfway through
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06:10.43en1gmadid you not here me say prob 5x THAT THE DAMN THING SETS DHCP TO ON EVERY BOOT
06:10.46Kevin`I told you what to do to make it work, but never followed up on it. if you want me to look at it again I will
06:10.49en1gmano matter what setting i do
06:10.54en1gmaDHCP = ON
06:11.01en1gmagawd do i have to yell it
06:11.04Kevin`that is not the default behavior. i'm using debian you know
06:11.09Kevin`you must have installed something that does that
06:11.10en1gmasame here
06:11.22en1gmai told you all i think firestarter screws it up
06:11.27en1gmano one listens
06:11.33Kevin`and my debian computer is working as a NAT router and is also hosting two vpn links
06:11.40Kevin`so uninstall firestarter
06:11.48en1gmaand did you install firestarter
06:11.52en1gmafuck no did you
06:12.05Kevin`of course I didn't, why would I use firestarter? I know iptables myself :)
06:12.11dondelelcaroen1gma: can you stop harassing the people who are trying to help you?
06:12.29en1gmaim just going to reboot into windows....people are saying i dont know anything
06:12.37Kevin`go back to windows if you want, but don't blame the failure of this to work on linux or debian..
06:12.39en1gmasorry for any harshness
06:12.41Kevin`that really gets to me
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06:12.57en1gmai blame it on damn firestarter i cant believe you dont listen
06:13.00pujiarahmanhow i can use loadbalancing and failover
06:13.01en1gmainstall it and test it
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06:13.14Kevin`I don't want to install it, it might mess my system up
06:13.16Kevin`and then i'd have to fix it
06:13.35Kevin`and in the meantime I wouldn't have internet service and it might also mess up server processes
06:13.42dondelelcaropujiarahman: between what?
06:13.47Kevin`plus I have my own firewall setup
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06:13.53Kevin`perhaps there's a firestarter irc channel
06:13.58dondelelcaroKevin`: he's left
06:14.03Kevin`anyway i'm going back to watching the x files
06:14.24piztek3is ColdFyre here?
06:14.28pujiarahmandondelelcaro for multihome gateway, i have 2 line
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06:14.53dondelelcaropujiarahman: ah, ok. You want to look at the lartc; it has a recipe for load balancing over connections
06:14.56dondelelcaro!lartc
06:14.56dpkgit has been said that lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/
06:16.04pujiarahmandondelelcaro i have read it but no sulution
06:16.08pujiarahman:d
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06:17.40fengorok back, did you solveed it en1gma?
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06:17.49dondelelcaropujiarahman: uh... if you have read it, you would have seen chapter 10, which explains it all.
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06:25.49ava_tarhi, is there any tool to boost/accelerate the apt-get speed?
06:25.49abhishek_yes
06:26.19pujiarahmanany body use ebox
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06:27.30sonicGB-I've just done my first ever install of Debian 4.0-something on an i386 box. netinst went fine. Now I want to install additional packages (sshd, php, apache, ruby, etc, etc). "apt-get install" asks me for CDs that I don't have/want. Is there a way to make the package system just go and fetch what I want from a mirror somewhere?
06:28.03Fetoi can't seem to find a driver :(
06:28.05Fetooops
06:28.06Fetohah
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06:29.13ava_taryes run "dselect"
06:29.24xarquidsonicGB-: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file (comment out the lines for the CD)
06:29.33ava_tarsonicGB-: yes run "dselect"
06:29.51ava_tarit would add to your sources list a us server
06:30.04sonicGB-xarquid ava_tar: thanks. will try those now..
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06:30.20ava_tarto install ssh i believe that you need to add non-use repositories
06:30.20sonicGB-ava, I'm in .nsw.au, but I'll figure out a local mirror...
06:31.01ava_tarwhat you want testing or stable?
06:32.59sonicGB-ava_tar: : I ended up with a mirror on the same backbone as me - it kept the one I chose during netinst (.edu.au)
06:33.24sonicGB-xarquid: : thanks. commenting out cd in sources.list did what I needed. I'm ssh'ed into my box now... thank-you
06:33.28ava_tarrun this ># echo deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list
06:33.33pujiarahmanhow to configure ebox multihome gateway any url can i read
06:34.02sonicGB-ava_tar: : I'm sorted already, thanks. My sources.list has a good (local ) mirror in it, I'm set.
06:34.10ava_tarok
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06:35.25xarquidsonicGB-: no problemo
06:35.31saint_cypherI'm trying to add some pcf (bitmap) fonts.  I've followed the instructions found in a number of howtos/tutorials, xset q shows the directory in question in the FontPath but, when it comes to an application being able to select a font the fonts in that directory don't show up
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06:36.27sonicGB-hmmm, BSEG here... 10 minutes after install I've pretty much got the system I need set up and ready to run. I could get used to debian :-)
06:36.57xarquidI <3 it ;) And I used to think of myself as a distro-hopper. Those days are pretty much over ;)
06:37.24gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I think the problem is not the key but the authentication mode, I always have used open mode, now I'm using share mode, I dont know how to specify that in linux
06:37.30xarquidNow if I could figure out why I lost sound on this laptop ... hmm. My ALSA drivers borked themselves in the head with a trout I think.
06:37.35Noborusani need to know where mod_deflate is going in debian etch
06:37.48Noborusanmaybe that is a  apache2.2 issue hmm
06:37.49Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop there's only open and restricted mode..
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06:38.07PingFloydxarquid: did you ever store the settings with alsactl store?
06:38.07sonicGB-I was a committed FreeBSD user for years and years... until I couldn't take the lack of driver support.... then I switched to gentoo, been using that *everywhere* for a couple-o years.... I think the last twenty minutes has made me a debian convert though :-)
06:38.12gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, http://www.pastebin.ca/488799
06:38.15Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop the only use of shared in relation to wifi refers to a static key
06:38.21gonzaloaf_laptopwhyMode:Master ???
06:38.45gonzaloaf_laptopwhats the meaning of Mode:Master?
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06:38.47Kevin`that just means it's a normal access point
06:38.55Kevin`could also be adhoc
06:38.55gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, Encryption key:on ?
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06:39.09Kevin`encryption key:on is pretty obvious, no?
06:39.40Kevin`hmm wait a minute.
06:39.52Kevin`are you sure this is a WEP key? "shared" usually refers to wpa-psk
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06:39.57Kevin`as in pre shared key
06:40.03Kevin`although it's technically true for wep too
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06:41.51gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, well not pretty sure... but in Windows I configured like that: Authentication mode: Shared, WEP key
06:41.59LycusHow would I change the host name of my computer through CLI?
06:42.10gonzaloaf_laptopmaybe I can try wit wpa-psk rigth?
06:42.15Noborusangees,i found it
06:42.18Noborusanlmao
06:42.27Noborusana2enmod deflate,yeah :D
06:42.49Noborusani love debian of its new flavour to store stuff seperately
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06:43.30Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop a little look at google reveals that shared as actually another name for restricted
06:43.50gonzaloaf_laptopoouch
06:44.09Begasusis there anybody in here that had succes in setting up Xgl up on Etch?
06:44.10Kevin`it doesn't say this outright, but a description I found of it matches
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06:44.54gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, people in #openwrt doesnt help much :@
06:45.07gonzaloaf_laptopdont*
06:45.33Kevin`http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Troubleshooting - also, search for restricted on that page
06:45.40Kevin`although that relates to madwifi in particular
06:45.58Kevin`if i'd have made the connection of shared meaning restricted instead of static, I would have found that a good deal sooner :)
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06:47.30Kevin`oh, and by the way, apparently restricted mode is less secure then open mode
06:47.42liablewho woulda thunk
06:47.51Kevin`not that anything related to wep is very secure.
06:48.48gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, how do you configure your router? with iwconfig? or with the nvam sets?
06:49.01Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop nvram
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06:49.28gonzaloaf_laptopis this part, 1.3 it justg says key in hex mode
06:49.35gonzaloaf_laptopnot ascci
06:49.46gonzaloaf_laptopascii*
06:49.51Kevin`that's what I wanted you to ask about in #openwrt ;)
06:50.10Kevin`if you can't figure it out, just change the script that starts up wifi to use an ascii key :/
06:50.48Kevin`however, doing things properly and not messing with the scripts is usually a good idea
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06:52.00gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, see point 4.3 there is the answer
06:52.04gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Configuration#head-f0ebbaed59da8d1170fa7a7684fde5ad1b9e11eb
06:54.17Sazpaimonguys: perl -pi -e 's|\/old\/path\/here|\/new\/path\/here|g' *.php
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06:54.30Sazpaimonwill this change my path specified in all my php files?
06:54.38pluesch0revening! is there some inclusion-schedule planned for openvz in debian?
06:54.48SazpaimonI seriously could never fully understand how perl -pi -e works
06:55.44simonrvnthat's why there's manuals ;)
06:57.14Sazpaimonthat's what i begot from the manuals
06:57.17SazpaimonI was just double checking
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06:58.50gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, how do I stop the, debug, sending discover... message?
06:58.54simonrvntry it on one
06:59.17fireba11hm .. who can update the mirror list on the debian page whena mirror moved ? :-D
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06:59.42Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop that's from the dhcp client, trying to connect. you could kill it if it bothers you, but obviously dhcp (client not server) wouldn't work unless you ran it again then
07:00.21Kevin`since your problems are physical/data link related, no reason not to kill it I suppose for now, as long as you remember
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07:01.50gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, how can I solve my problem?
07:02.01gonzaloaf_laptopis there any log in my router?
07:02.17Kevin`<PROTECTED>
07:02.25Kevin`what's your current problem. the key or mode?
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07:03.11Kevin`both seem to be described there, actually..
07:03.42gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, i can connnect to the wifi net
07:03.58gonzaloaf_laptopI want to check if I'm doing things well
07:04.13Kevin`uhuh..
07:04.15gonzaloaf_laptophow can I test if my routed mode is well set up?
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07:04.44Kevin`pastebin the following:
07:04.50Kevin`nvram show|sort
07:04.54Kevin`ifconfig -a
07:04.55Kevin`route -n
07:04.59Kevin`brctl show
07:05.08Kevin`iwconfig
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07:05.28Kevin`if you want me to look things over :)
07:05.36Kevin`of course, most of it should be pretty obvious
07:05.36fireba11can someone tell me how i can export a self-signed certificate in a format outlook can import to get rid of that anoying warning ?
07:06.02archangelpetrodoes anyone here have an issue where xorg slowly takes up more and more memory?
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07:11.32gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, http://www.pastebin.ca/488898
07:12.48Trewasarchangelpetro: I have seen that happen with some older versions of firefox because they never freed server-size pixmaps, xrestop shows if some program is doing that
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07:13.25archangelpetroah, ty
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07:15.16Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop looking
07:15.24gonzaloaf_laptopnice
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07:16.12Kevin`it doesn't seem to be set up properly
07:16.21gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, :o
07:16.37Kevin`eth1 should not be bridged to anything
07:17.11gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I just did 1.2.2 step
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07:17.55Kevin`well that doesn't match the output in pastebin
07:18.37gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I'm pretty confused now then
07:18.39Kevin`just a suggesstion, you might want to clean that configuration up significantly first before messing with it, by erasing it ans letting the bootloader recreate it
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07:19.13gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, ok how do I do that?
07:19.14Kevin`this will reset it to default state (192.168.1.1), but it will remove all of the extra variables there that aren't doing anything and are just confusing you :)
07:19.55Kevin`you could of course continue and set it up without clearing it (maybe you forgot nvram commit before? you forgot something as the options are unchanged)
07:20.00Kevin`to reset it, do this:
07:22.33Kevin`mtd -r erase nvram. the router will reboot and be in default configuration
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07:22.41gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, ok lets start from 0
07:24.15gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, can you help me doing that?
07:24.32Kevin`I suppose
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07:28.27gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, ok first step: nvram set wl0_mode=sta
07:28.27gonzaloaf_laptopright?
07:28.46Kevin`that's what the wiki says..
07:28.53LycusForgive my confusion and ignorance - but if I want a basic Debian desktop installation, which ISO image do I need?
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07:29.08LycusI don't want the net installation.
07:29.27LycusI will be installing on multiple systems.
07:29.31Kevin`the netinstall will give you the same thing as a normal cd, you know that right?
07:29.38Kevin`k
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07:29.50Kevin`for a normal desktop install you will probably only need the first cd
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07:30.13Kevin`the packages are arranged on the cds in order of popularity
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07:30.41NefariousPriorIs there any way I can "hide" my linux partitions from XP ?
07:30.47Lycushmm, no way to know if I need just the first rather than the first two?
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07:31.11Kevin`you could look at the list of packages on the cds, or just try it once ;)
07:31.26Kevin`NefariousPrior normally xp will ignore the partition type that linux commonly uses
07:31.34liableNefariousPrior: xp cant read ext3 without extra packages anyway
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07:32.07Lycusso  debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso is likely all I ned?
07:32.09NefariousPriorI know this, but I want to install XP on the primary slave, but XP is complaining about the linux partitions.
07:32.18Kevin`Lycus likely, yes..
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07:32.30liableah, yes windows like to be first on the disk
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07:32.50Kevin`in my experience, windows doesn't care
07:33.01Kevin`unless there's another windows readable partition before it
07:33.09NefariousPriorLikes to be first, but will run on second....  just don't know how to trick it into ignoring the others.
07:33.47NefariousPriorI know this is only half-way on-topic, but idk what to do. heh
07:33.54Kevin`NefariousPrior why not install it on a primary partition? you do know you can have more then one yes?
07:34.03thegveI have just had a little problem with logging in...  My root password was in the LDAP database, and not in the shadow file. The LDAP server was having troubles, and I was unable to fix anything, as I couldn't login as the root user, so I had to restart the server using the power button, and now everything is working again. How can I make sure I add a password to the shadow file, instead of the LDAP. Is there a command for this or is this a copy/paste task.
07:34.48NefariousPriorKevin`: Is IS on a primary partition. I have linux on /dev/hda and want to install windows on /dev/hdb, but it doesn't like that.
07:34.49gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I dont have clear  step 1.2.2 ...
07:35.19gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, i think this is the step where I messed it up before
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07:38.05Zap-Wi am trying to install nfs-common in chroot environment and i get chage : Permission denied
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07:39.26fengorNefariousPrior: how about pulling the cable of hda, then power up your computer, isntall xp on the remaining disk, power down and reattach the first one?
07:39.30Kevin`NefariousPrior the problem is probably more that your installing it on the slave, rather then the linux partitions
07:39.31Kevin`NefariousPrior since windows doesn't know you have a worthwhile bootloader, it will expect you to need a bootable partition on the first disk to put ntldr on
07:39.34flyinflash安装nvidia驱动后，提示说nvidia模块找不到/没有加载，这是怎么回事？
07:39.35Kevin`NefariousPrior you might try removing the drive with linux while you install windows
07:39.39Kevin`then put it back after, and optionally have grub switch the order before starting windows (numerous examples exist of the latter part)
07:39.43fengorsince you are probably using grub or lilo as boot manager it should work
07:39.44Kevin`if you were to hide the partitions from windows, I suspect it's most likely response would be to overwrite them
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07:40.01flyinflashexcuse me, someone is CHINESE?
07:40.03flyinflashexcuse me, someone is CHINESE?
07:40.06dondelelcaro!cn
07:40.06dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE 渡详请读
07:40.07maddashflyinflash: no.
07:40.09LycusAlso - is it possible to 'mirror' two systems running Debian, so they'd have the same unames/pws, installed packages, etc?
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07:40.26flyinflashmadclicker, could you speak chinese?
07:40.39dondelelcaroflyinflash: /join #debian-zh; people there can
07:41.08NefariousPriorQuick Q. Can grub be set up to boot a cdrom?
07:41.12flyinflashdomthank you
07:41.32flyinflashdondelelcaro, thank you
07:41.40Kevin`Lycus sure, using most obvious methods you can think of
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07:42.08LycusKevin`: v_v ; I was thinking of something more automatic :-P
07:42.12Kevin`Lycus only think to keep in mind is that certain programs generate cryptographic keys which shouldn't be the same. ssh server perhaps
07:42.27Kevin`Lycus you want to deploy automatically?
07:42.59Kevin`http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ - take a look at this
07:43.04Kevin`does it look applicable?
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07:43.30Kevin`if I were you I would do this using PXE, if your devices support it
07:43.41Kevin`just turn on the computer, press f12 or whatever, and move onto the next one :)
07:43.52cydorkLycus: is this for failover?
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07:45.10LycusIt's for a couple of systems that will be used by extended family members, and I'll probably be maintaining them, so I want to save as much time as possible. =D
07:45.17doudouHi, bochs does not work for me, aptitude install bochs, some files are missing in install, or something else?
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07:45.33gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, what should I use in step 1.2.2 ?
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07:46.02Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop use what they have there, it's correct for your device I believe
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07:46.20doudouthere is a system of video transfer between box for family use?
07:46.50Kevin`I usually use nfs or samba for that (depending on the client)
07:47.00Kevin`nfs has better preformance for streaming
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07:48.18doudouis there another than bochs that i can try?
07:48.36flyinflashdondelelcaro, I installed ubuntu right now,but I couldn't login X after install nviida driver.
07:48.40NoborusanHow can i install apache2.2 in etch by using MPM-work mode ?
07:48.45gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, in the another page it says that for wrt54g v1.x and 2.x: Linksys WRT54Gv2.x/v3.x/v4.0LAN=vlan0 WAN=vlan1 WIFI=eth1
07:48.46Noborusanvia apt-get i mean
07:48.48fengorflyinflash: this isnt #ubuntu
07:48.49Kevin`doudou qemu, vmware, xen, etc..
07:49.02fengor!based-on debian
07:49.12flyinflashfengor, yes
07:49.17Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop and?
07:49.26gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, should I use br0 ?
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07:49.37Kevin`you should use what it has there
07:49.38fengor!based on debian
07:49.38dpkgYou're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages.  You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis>
07:49.39Kevin`it's correct..
07:49.42flyinflashfengor, ubuntu-cn guys don't give their hands for me
07:49.48doudouKevin`, with fluxbox and not gnome nor kde?
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07:50.09Kevin`doudou yes, definitely..
07:50.16fengorflyinflash: sorry we cannot help you here either
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07:51.08flyinflashfengor, WHY?!
07:51.08Kevin`doudou also virtualbox, although I haven't tried that personally
07:51.08Kevin`doudou there's tons of options for this sort of thing now
07:51.08flyinflashfengor, ubuntu base on DEBIAN!
07:51.08fengorbecause you are NOT running debian
07:51.09fengorflyinflash: read what dpkg said
07:51.47Kevin`flyinflash there's a possibility we could help, but more often then not you quickly run into a difference between debian and ubuntu that UBUNTU people would know about but we won't
07:51.54Lycusflyinflash: If you tried to use the official Debian repos in Ubunt it would likely break your system, and vice-versa - they are different.
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07:52.23Swat2How would i search for any files that contained " <unknown> "  ?
07:52.36flyinflashOK,Ok,I out now.
07:53.08flyinflashAsk more one question,are you American?
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07:53.19flyinflashAsk more one question,are you Americian?
07:53.27Kevin`who?
07:53.39Swat2Are you a nob?
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07:54.08flyinflashKevin`,
07:54.11sudo_maddashwhat's  a 'nob'?
07:54.18Kevin`flyinflash yes, why?
07:54.42Swat2sudo_maddash: Males have them, but a nob is a particularly small one.
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07:54.50Lycusflyinflash: If you can speak and read English, why not try #ubuntu ?
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07:55.17flyinflashLycus, I could speak little.
07:55.40liableflyinflash: what is your native tounge?
07:55.43Lycusflyinflash: Then why come here?
07:55.56sudo_maddashliable: chinese. see above.
07:56.03Kevin`he seems to be able to speak well enough in english to talk here
07:56.08flyinflashI'm Chinese study.
07:56.11cafuegoubuintu is based on debian, but not the same as debian. So #debian probably can't help, use #ubuntu.
07:56.16liabletheres no ubuntu-cn?
07:56.27flyinflashthere is ubuntu-cn
07:56.28Lycusliable: The people in #ubuntu-cn couldn't help him.
07:56.32LycusSo he came here.
07:56.37flyinflashbut there are so many **
07:56.41liableoh, i'll just stfu then
07:56.45Lycus:-P
07:56.45sudo_maddashhaha, the wonders of ubuntu.
07:57.16cafuegosudo_maddash: shaddap, i use it.
07:57.17NoborusanI am meeting a serious problem
07:57.18flyinflashdo you have a job?
07:57.21Lycus...
07:57.40flyinflashLycus, Ldo you have a job?
07:57.47NoborusanHow can i change mpm-prefork to mpm-worker without having to removing mod-php5 php5-gd and such ?
07:57.55LycusI'm a student who is currently unemployed, flyinflash.
07:58.02cafuegoflyinflash: Was that the ubuntu question you had? Whether Lycus has a job?
07:58.04flyinflashKevin`, , Ldo you have a job?
07:58.14liableflyinflash: those sort of questions are generally considered off-topic
07:58.21Kevin`flyinflash are you offering me one?
07:58.24liableflyinflash: this isnt a genral chat room
07:58.27cafuegoNoborusan: You can't; mod-php only works with prefork.
07:58.38LycusPerhaps he's leading to asking if someone is a technician or something...
07:58.40sudo_maddashcafuego: :P
07:58.52gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, no success
07:59.05Noborusancafuego, so i will have to redo the whole thing ? hmm
07:59.08Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop show the current nvram configuration
07:59.09flyinflashliable, sorry.
07:59.54cafuegoNoborusan: Just use prefork if you need php. Easy.
08:00.34cafuegoUnless you're serving hundreds/thousands of hits per second; it hardly matters.
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08:01.03Noborusanhmm
08:01.19sobersabreI have several OT questions to somebody from Tokio.
08:01.29sobersabreIs here anybody from Tokio ?
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08:02.03Noborusancafuego, strange is,when i was installing them,i didnt meant to install them in module mode
08:02.54marc7and if you're serving up that kind of volume... lighttpd!
08:02.55CrypticfortuneNoborusan: as an alternative, you could put all of your php stuff on another server with mpm-prefork, but that could be more work than it's worth =p
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08:03.04Crypticfortunesobersabre: you mean Tokyo? yes...
08:03.32Noborusani have only one server right now
08:03.38cafuegoNoborusan: You wanted the php5 cgi? That *would* work with the threaded apache
08:03.40gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, http://www.pastebin.ca/488942
08:03.47cafuegoNoborusan: But being a cgi you'd lose performance.
08:03.49sobersabreCrypticfortune, yes! will it bug you to speak in query ? (off channel)
08:03.50sobersabre?
08:04.08Noborusancafuego, my server will not use cgi programs,just php and mysql
08:04.17sobersabreI mean to chat. /query.
08:04.27cafuegoNoborusan: php can be a cgi handler for .php files. (php5-cgi)
08:04.36Crypticfortunesobersabre: go ahead
08:04.38Noborusanbut i was checking online says mpm-worker is way better than the troditional prefork mode
08:04.46cafuegoNoborusan: But honestly, prefork with mod_php is *far* less hassle and works just fine.
08:05.02NoborusanI see.
08:05.05cafuegoNoborusan: It's way better for extremely high volume sites.
08:05.35cafuegoI run a few hundred vhosts on the prefork one without any problems.
08:05.41Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop ok, that looks appropriate
08:05.59Noborusancafuego, so if i go redo the whole thing to just install php not as module of apache, will i lose anything in a performance talking ?
08:06.07Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop show ifconfig -a, route -n, brctl show, iwconfig
08:06.40Noborusancafuego, mine too will be a colocation server,so i do care about the performance
08:06.50cafuegoNoborusan: Nothing noticable
08:06.57marc7Noborusan: seriously, i run a good hundred or so websites, some of them fairly high volume on apache with mod_prefork and php dynamically loaded
08:07.22marc7you really shouldn't worried about performance until you have upwards of thousands of queries a minute
08:07.45marc7lighttpd invoking php through fastcgi is your next upgrade path
08:07.45cafuegoNoborusan: By the time it becomes a problem you'll be able to afford to pay people to sort it out ;-)
08:08.21NoborusanI see
08:08.33Kevin`I would be more worried about the preformance of the php code itself
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08:08.44gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, there you go... http://www.pastebin.ca/488944
08:09.09cafuegoNoborusan: Mind you, for hosting you *may* want to run php-cgi suid; which would be fine with mpm-worker, but the loading of the cgi binary would kill your performance dead.
08:09.36Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop it doesn't seem to have used the wireless settings as entered
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08:09.55marc7Noborusan:  I agree with kevin. make sure your code's optimized. maybe use something like the Zend Optimizer or any of it's free alternatives... you can also watch how well your apache server is faring under the load using the default "server-status" handler which comes with apache.
08:09.59cafuegoNoborusan: Just set maxrequests to 0 and have enough spares on the prefork server.
08:10.02Kevin`NOW would be a good time to get [mbm]'s help
08:10.08Zap-Wchage -l foobar  , is giving me permission denied! even though i  am root
08:10.19Zap-Wchfn same gives same error
08:10.26Zap-Wi am in chroot environment if it matters
08:10.45gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, what do you mean?
08:10.48omriwhere can I get pre-made configs for mysql & apache servers under heavy load?
08:10.50marc7Noborusan: I use the debian apache2 packages and custom-build my php5 installation
08:10.56marc7works like a charm,
08:10.59Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop you did restart the router after applying those settings right?
08:11.26NoborusanI see
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08:11.51gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, yep but before  I did a nvram commit
08:12.09Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop ok. well the problem I see is that the wireless interface is still in master mode
08:12.20Kevin`it should be in managed mode, of course, to connect to another ap as a client
08:12.39Zap-W??
08:12.42Zap-Wi cant do shit
08:12.43Zap-Whelp
08:12.53gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, where do you see that?
08:13.00Kevin`#
08:13.00Kevin`th1      IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"OpenWrt"
08:13.00Kevin`#
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08:13.09Kevin`stupid bot
08:13.12marc7ooo, faux-pas.
08:13.55gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, so the question is why it isnt in managed mode?
08:14.05gonzaloaf_laptoplets ask in #openwrt
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08:14.15Kevin`essentially yes
08:14.35NoborusanMany thanks to all that were helping me :D
08:15.10marc7anytime, good luck.
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08:16.19Noborusancafuego, by the way,i think by using mod-fcgid for php will enhance security but lose performance at the same time ?
08:17.00gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, what if we try with another firmware?
08:18.02Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop in my opinion openwrt is by far the cleanest and best built. others do have easier configuration though
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08:18.38Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop you could try dd-wrt, in which case I think the option you want is available in a web interface, but I can't help you with it then since I don't use it
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08:19.25Kevin`oooh
08:19.31Kevin`I see the problem actually
08:19.55Kevin`http://www.pastebin.ca/488942
08:19.55gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, what it is?
08:19.55Kevin`look near the bottom
08:19.55_RubyxxI am trying to setup a home network on 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 and share an internet connection but my x.x.0.2 PC always connects to 169.254.x.x. Does anyone know why that is?
08:19.58Kevin`notice that you uses "w10" instead of "wl0"
08:20.27Kevin`and there are two sets of information :)
08:20.31gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I always used w10 isnt it w10?
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08:20.43Kevin`double-u, ell, 0
08:20.55gonzaloaf_laptop:o
08:20.56Kevin`not w ten
08:21.05gonzaloaf_laptopwl0 != w10
08:21.33gonzaloaf_laptopwhat a mistake!
08:21.54gonzaloaf_laptopok now to correct that.... so I have to erase everything?
08:22.01Kevin`no
08:22.06Kevin`you can just overwrite the values
08:22.09Kevin`and you can do:
08:22.20Kevin`nvram unset w10_auth
08:22.20Kevin`etf
08:22.22Kevin`etc*
08:22.24Kevin`if you want
08:22.29gonzaloaf_laptopok
08:22.41Kevin`but the extra values won't hurt anything except confusing you in the future
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08:23.03gonzaloaf_laptoplets pray
08:23.10Zap-Whow to force removal of packages that are giving configure errors
08:23.37gonzaloaf_laptopapt-get remove --force <pkg> ?
08:23.49fengor_Rubyxx: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces of x.x.0.2?
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08:25.27liableZap-W: you'll prolly find it impossible to remove if it isnt istalled properly without editing the install scripts
08:25.56Zap-Wso my system is broken
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08:26.07gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, its w l zero right?
08:26.10_Rubyxxfengor:  I have no internet connection on x.x.02. I'll have to try and do this manually
08:26.20liableusually the first line of attack is to remove the set -e
08:26.23Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop right..
08:26.59Zap-Wi know whats the problem it's breaking at chage command
08:27.11Zap-Wchage is giving me permission denied when it should
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08:27.22liableZap-W: edit the script then to fix it
08:27.35liableZap-W: and file a bug with a patch
08:28.10Zap-Wit's a chroot installation
08:28.14Zap-Wer
08:28.16fengor_Rubyxx: i need the configuraiton of your networkcard on the second pc and the output of /sbin/route -n to see where your problem is
08:28.17Zap-Wdeboostrap
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08:29.39fengor_Rubyxx: you might want to read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 to get your setup running
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08:30.11Zap-Wwhat could cause chage to give permission denied
08:30.13Zap-Wor chfn
08:30.17AcidEyEwhat these 21 cds for? in debian 4 r0
08:30.40fengorthey contain the available packages for debian AcidEyE
08:30.48_Rubyxxok
08:31.09AcidEyEfengor how many disks i need to working x windows kde or gnome?
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08:31.48possieanyong know the syntax of /etc/fstab.order ?
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08:31.54fengordepends i usually just get the netinst image and fetch the packages over the net
08:31.58fengorso i need only 1 cd
08:32.15fengorwhich and how many cds you need if you use the instlal cds i cant tell you im afraid
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08:32.28AcidEyEbut i am not on high speed connection, i will download only needed ones to make my x working
08:32.40_Rubyxxfengor:  last 3 lines coming up, hope I don't get booted........allow-hotplug eth0
08:32.53AcidEyEi can't pasue while installing from netinst
08:32.54_Rubyxxiface eth1
08:33.03fengor_Rubyxx: if in doubt just use one of the pasebin servers like pastebin.ca
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08:33.23fengorthen get the first 3 cds or so AcidEyE
08:33.25_Rubyxxiface eth0 inet dhcp
08:33.30fengoryou should be pretty safe with that
08:33.34fengorif in doubt get all of them
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08:33.51fengordo you have a dhcp server running on your network _Rubyxx ?
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08:34.28AcidEyEfengor ok i wanted to download most stable release kindly help me which one to download
08:34.32harkAcidEyE: cd1 should do for a basic Gnome setup
08:34.47harkor if you prefer there are versions for XFCE and KDE too
08:34.50Freebirdyou guys, I need help please,
08:35.02hark!tell Freebird -about ask
08:35.06Freebirdmachine one has all working, cups.conf and printcap configured, what do to in my second machine to print through machine one ?
08:35.17AcidEyEhark then totaly i need first 3 cds or 4?
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08:35.56Freebirdin machine one it's printing fine, how to print from my second machine, I've configured in machine one, but not sure if there's something to change in machine 2
08:35.59harkAcidEyE: depends on your need
08:36.06hark!d-i
08:36.06dpkgEtch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ..  If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i.  IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now  the new Testing!
08:37.11_Rubyxxfengor: here is my pastebin url:-  http://pastebin.ca/488963....I'd never used pastebin b4
08:37.22ava_tarhi is there any way to boost apt-get ?
08:37.30Freebirdhark: have you ever done that ?
08:37.36Zap-Wfuck me
08:38.06liableFreebird: http://pastebin.ca/488964  add that to your cuspd.conf on the server, it should then announce itself over the network via ipp (change network addresses of course)
08:38.15fengor_Rubyxx: are you running a dhcp server in your network?
08:38.25liableFreebird: then machine 2 should be able to use it
08:38.46fengorand please read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 to learn how to configure ips manual if you dont run a dhcp server
08:38.48_RubyxxNo I do not have a dhcp server running.....Is it necessary in Linux?...I was advised to avoid servers because I have to keep logged out of them
08:38.57_Rubyxxok
08:39.02Freebirdtks, I'll test it, how do I send those red messages to someone ??
08:39.03liableFreebird: dont forget to restart cupsd on box 1
08:39.09Freebirdok
08:39.12gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, Yeah!!!!
08:39.21fengor_Rubyxx: if you dont runa  dhcsp server you cant use dhcp to configure your network
08:39.27liableFreebird: when you address someone with there nick
08:39.31fengors/dhcsp/dhcp/
08:39.47gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
08:39.54Freebirdshould I erase the entire file and have only that on it ? or just add that will do it ?
08:39.58gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, Let's Rockkkkkkkk
08:39.59Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop I assume from that that it's working? :)
08:40.16liableFreebird: just add it to the end, comment other stuff you have added
08:40.18gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, Viva FOSS!
08:40.43_RubyxxBut it did not make any difference when I put in 192.168.0.2 it simply disconnected the network, at least with DHCP it connects ....but I do not know what to
08:40.50gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, of course buddy.... thank you... I was about of giving up
08:41.18Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop great, i'm glad something is working like it's supposed to today :)
08:41.29fireba11how long will there be security updates for sarge ?
08:42.27gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, now you can go to sleep with a big smile in your mouth
08:42.40Kevin`nah i'm watching the x files :)
08:42.50gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, how can I check  the strengh of the signal?
08:42.57Kevin`iwconfig
08:43.31Kevin`there's two negative numbers, signal and noise
08:43.50Kevin`ideally you want -256 noise, 0 signal
08:44.06Kevin`most devices will work with a difference between the two of around 10 or so
08:44.10ava_tar!dpkg why aptitude
08:44.12Kevin`some more some less
08:44.21gonzaloaf_laptopkekimmo, the less noise and the more closer to 0 signal?
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08:44.43Kevin`yes
08:44.51Kevin`the importance is the difference between them though
08:45.07NoborusanTo avoid installing php5 as a module of apache cuz which could remove MPM-worker to use mpm-prfork instead,i should do apt-get install php5 right ?
08:46.07gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, well I have -86 signal , -94 noise
08:46.11Kevin`which is given a three letter acronym (like everything else..) of SNR, signal noise ratio
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08:46.21Kevin`and how's the link performance?
08:46.24fengor_Rubyxx: please be mor specific in your error detailing
08:46.32gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, I want a human value :p something like Excellent.... low.... very low
08:46.34fengorwhat do you mean by simply disconnecting the network
08:46.36Kevin`lol
08:46.42fengorand where and how did you put the 192.168.0.2
08:46.46gonzaloaf_laptop:D
08:47.22Kevin`gonzaloaf_laptop that's a "could be better" in human terms
08:47.28Freebirdliable: didn't work, but it was different this time, I've commented the allow line inside cups.conf and left the original printcap
08:47.31Kevin`however, if it works, I wouldn't bother with it.
08:47.37Freebirdliable: what do you think ?
08:47.56Kevin`the access point has a more powerful radio and better antennas then most any normal client
08:48.05gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, are there some graphical apps or frontends to monitor my router in my pc?
08:48.25Kevin`i've never bothered with things like that honestly
08:48.27Freebirdit looks like it's going to work, but it doesn't, and it doesn't show the job iside cups browser front end
08:48.31Kevin`there might be an snmp package
08:48.37Kevin`if that's the kind of thing you mean
08:49.02Kevin`if something is wrong I log into the router and look at it. if nothing is wrong I ignore the router
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08:49.23gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, snmp pkg?
08:49.24Kevin`and, of course, things rarely go wrong, since it's only an access point
08:49.46Kevin`there might be a package to snmp-enable openwrt, I mean
08:49.59Kevin`so you could manage it with normal network management stuff
08:50.02_RubyxxI  put it in my network admin screen, but every time I try to change the hostname...it doesn't come up any more so I can't even raise it now
08:50.17Kevin`i've never bothered with that level of monitoring for a home ap though
08:50.24Kevin`it's more trouble to set up then it's worth
08:50.55gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, yep the importance is that it is really Rocking!!!1
08:50.55Kevin`if you mean something completely different then what i'm talking about, do say so :)
08:50.55fengor_Rubyxx: our network admin screen? why does everybody and their bloody dog try to use those blasted gui apps instead of editing one simple file?
08:51.20_RubyxxIt seems easier
08:51.31fengor_Rubyxx: read the url i gave you and edit the file directly. its less trouble and safes time
08:51.34AnyFileAfter updating from sarge to edge I am no more able to print. CUPS tell me "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...". I have notice that files in /var/spool/cups/ and /var/log/cups are not more owned by root:lpadmin but from root:lp (what has changed is the group). I do not know where else to look (too complex this printing system)
08:51.38gonzaloaf_laptopKevin`, thanks buffy I gotta go to sleep now
08:51.41_RubyxxI'm new here from Windows
08:51.42gonzaloaf_laptopbuddy*
08:51.43Kevin`night
08:51.45_Rubyxxok
08:51.53fengor_Rubyxx: important word in your sentence is: SEEMS
08:52.08_Rubyxxlol
08:52.15_RubyxxI know now
08:52.56fengor_Rubyxx: jsut take the example from the url for setting up a manual ip and isnert your values where appropriate: most notable 192.168.0.2 as the ip and 192.168.0.1 as teh gateway
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08:53.15fengorand then do /etc/init.d/networking restart
08:53.26_Rubyxxok.....it'll keep me busy for about 30mins
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08:53.43N3m3SYShi there, I have a littleproblem :/
08:53.49fengor/sbin/ifconfig should then tell you if it suceeded
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08:54.29N3m3SYSI have configured my desktop to use Beryl (debian testing), with nVidia GeForce FX 5200 card, works pretty well, I used driver 9755 and it was fine. So I switch off my computer and go to bed, when I started comp again, x starts me into black screen, it helps only removing glx module from Modules section in my xorg.conf or reinstalling nvidia driver. I cannot handle this situation:/ everytime i reboot it is all bad .... please, dont you have a solutio
08:54.29N3m3SYSn?
08:54.31_Rubyxxok
08:54.37Freebirdliable: it looks to me that it's not even getting to my first machine, because no jobs are listed in the server, I'm using a router, does that have anything to do ?
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08:56.00Kevin`a NAT router, without any special configuration, acts as an SPI firewall against all incoming traffic, by it's nature
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08:56.39fengorN3m3SYS: You have searched for packages that names contain beryl in all suites, all sections, and all architectures.
08:56.42fengorCan't find that package.
08:56.51fengori cant find such a package in the debian repositories
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08:57.46N3m3SYSfengor: yes, but i dont think it is beryl problem, cuz the x crashes before beryl is used
08:58.17N3m3SYSfengor: it is with x starting, it blanks to black, before login and no splash screen of nvidia goes
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08:58.44AnyFileIn /var/log/cups/error_log I get message that the command is Unauthorized (resume or pause) but in the web interface I can seen the command has been performed
08:59.02possieanyone know which version of mount honors fstab.order ?
08:59.25[kray]hey, i have this machine that keeps going offline after a certain amount of time. i tried noapm on the menu.lst kernel line and apm=off on the line thereafter and the nic still goes off if not the whole machine into suspension
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09:00.14AnyFile[kray], what do you mean with "go offline" does it turn off?
09:00.29[kray]i cant reach it on the network
09:00.29fengorN3m3SYS: i assuem you know about http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
09:01.04AnyFilecan you access it locally? Maybe you need to see if there are some BIOS setting
09:01.18AnyFileabout that
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09:01.43[kray]thought i had went through and took care of that, guess ill plug in again
09:02.25[kray]i need to hurry with this.. the dc is so cold
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09:03.10N3m3SYSfengor: yes, it works me for a long time, but i install em properly, when I reboot, the nvidia module is present but x crasehs down and dont works
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09:03.24AnyFileCan anyone help me with cups and printing?
09:03.30Vasistha!anyone
09:03.31dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:03.42N3m3SYSfengor: only if I reinstall drivers or remove glx support from xorg.conf
09:03.49fengorN3m3SYS: did you check your error logs?
09:04.16AnyFileAfter updating from sarge to edge I am no more able to print. CUPS tell me "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...". I have notice that files in /var/spool/cups/ and /var/log/cups are not more owned by root:lpadmin but from root:lp (what has changed is the group). I do not know where else to look (too complex this printing system)
09:05.03fengorN3m3SYS:and did you try using alternative drivers or alternative window managers to narrow the problem down?
09:05.08Noborusanhmm
09:05.15Noborusanim not sure which php.ini to edit
09:05.53omriNoborusan, the one that's being said is read on phpinfo();
09:05.55Noborusani now have 2 of them,one is in /etc/php5/apache2
09:06.05Noborusananother is in /etc/php5/fcgi
09:06.18omriNoborusan, probably the first one, but make sure
09:06.21VasisthaNoborusan: you probably want the apache2 one
09:06.24omriput a phpinfo.php file on your server
09:06.31omriit should contain <? phpinfo(); ?>
09:06.41omrithe navigate to it, see what does it say about php.ini
09:06.50Noborusanok
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09:07.10N3m3SYSfengor: i tried many driver versions, window manager i cannot use, because gdm or kdm does not start
09:07.23N3m3SYSfengor: i have checked, there is nothing
09:08.15Noborusanyou both are wrong :D
09:08.28Noborusanbut i found it ,says the path is /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini ,Thanks :)
09:09.03N3m3SYSfengor: only one error is  GLX is not supported with the Composite extension
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09:09.29N3m3SYSfengor: so I putted out glx and it works, but without glx, or I reinstall
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09:09.54omriNoborusan, how am I being wrong? :P
09:09.59Noborusan:D
09:10.01omriwasn't the phpinfo(); solution helpful?
09:10.11Noborusanstrange it has another php.ini which is idle
09:10.36Noborusani didnt have that one untill the forum installer asked me that it needs php support for mysql then i did install php5-mysql
09:11.16Noborusanomri, hi, on that phpinfo page,there is a line Server API  CGI/FastCGI
09:11.38Noborusandoes that mean this time the php is handled by cgi but not as a module of apache ?
09:11.45omriNoborusan, and? look for php.ini there
09:11.53omriand yes. that's what it means.
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09:12.06Noborusancool,that is what i want it to be :)
09:12.27Noborusanfixed mpm-worker issue :) thanks again
09:12.52omrino problem
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09:13.51_Rubyxxfengor: I have detected that one of the PCs is running ssh while the other is not...How do I fix this?
09:14.26omri... install ssh ?
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09:14.29fengor_Rubyxx:  would first get your network set up properly and then worry about ssh
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09:16.08fengorbut you can get it by doing aptitude install ssh
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09:16.51justin007I used a debian program to print number's in Hex Oct binary etc. don't remember the name now. any ideas of the program name.
09:16.53_Rubyxxfengor: I have setup the network, according to the instructions, but it seems ssh is directing my second PC to another  ip address, so I think I either have to shut down ssh on both or start it on both
09:17.29fengor_Rubyxx: what is the output of /sbin/ifconfig
09:17.30fengor?
09:17.45_Rubyxxhold on
09:18.20Vasisthajustin007: I use od -An -tx1
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09:19.16Vasisthajustin007: there's also things like hexdump, hexedit, etc. and probably a number of others.
09:19.19mynullvoidbesides than alien, I know that there is another better tool to convert .tar.gz to deb
09:19.24mynullvoidanyone want to share
09:19.33Vasistha!dpkg-buildpackage
09:19.33dpkgmethinks dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory.
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09:20.17justin007Vasistha: but the one i used was possibly the smallest debian program. just wanted to know the name of it.
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09:21.00Vasisthajustin007: 'od' is pretty small.  I've told you what I know, and it ought to work
09:21.16_Rubyxxfengor for my 1st PC it is at http://pastebin.ca/489009....it will be difficult to get this data for the first as it is not connected
09:21.44Vasistha_Rubyxx: ...the other "first"?  :D
09:21.44_Rubyxxthe 2nd is not connected
09:21.44Vasisthahehe
09:21.46_Rubyxxsorry
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09:22.22AnyFileI have some problem with cups, I even get an Unauthorized error in cups/error_log if I have send a command as root?!?!?
09:22.38Vasistha_Rubyxx: fyi, it looks like it's accepting ssh connections
09:23.21_RubyxxBut the 2nd PC might not be able to make a ssh connection
09:23.32_Rubyxxyet
09:23.35VasisthaAnyFile: you might try ##cups if noone answers in here :P
09:23.57AnyFilethank Vasistha
09:24.27Vasistha_Rubyxx: well, it looks like the first machine's okay.  What inet addr is assigned to the 2nd machine?
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09:24.50_Rubyxx198.168.0.2
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09:25.30Vasistha_Rubyxx: can you ping?
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09:26.23_Rubyxxyes
09:26.33_Rubyxx0.202 secs
09:26.41q1w2e3r4someone with some skills in perl got time?
09:26.44gromgullCan anyone using gnome, who has gnome-art and kde check if SVG icon themes show up in the "icons" panel of kcontrol ?
09:27.57q1w2e3r4i wanna do a post with lwp using a login for basic http-authentification: http://user:pass@site.com. The problem is, perl regognizes "user" as the host an puts down with error500
09:28.00Vasisthaq1w2e3r4: #perl
09:28.05q1w2e3r4oh, thanks
09:28.14fengorgood and can you ping 192.168.0.1 from the second one?
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09:28.47Vasisthagromgull: I don't know anything about gnome, but kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Icons shows SVG icon themes
09:28.59pluesch0revening! what's the best (read: debian) way to create an encrypted filesystem on a server?
09:29.07gromgullok, but does selecting them update the preview? here applying them will make all icons in KDE apps disappear...
09:29.11gromgullvasistha
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09:29.53Vasisthagromgull: hum. I only have one. :P
09:30.06gromgullright.. the kdeartwork package will give you more I think...
09:30.46gromgullhang on
09:30.47gromgullthat's no good
09:30.52gromgullit only contains PNG icon themes
09:31.18tenzindhi .. is there ggv package in etch?
09:31.38omriRAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize
09:31.53omridoes it mean that these disks use ram even when I don't use them?
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09:32.10gromgullhmm... the themes that dont work seem to come from gnome-themes-extras... maybe there is an issue between gnome/kde thmes
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09:32.41Vasisthagromgull: it could be that there's an incompatibility in the naming of the icons or some such
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09:33.42_Rubyxxfengor: yes I can ping no 1 from no2 as well
09:33.53henry_nicolasHello everybody, I'v installed totem and gnome-screensaver, so is there any reason for totem to not block the screensaver ?
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09:34.07Vasistha_Rubyxx: hmm, so what about ssh from #2 to #1 ?
09:34.38liablehenry_nicolas: hrm, i had the same problem with mplayer a long time ago, it was a setting in the player somewhere
09:35.08tenzindVasistha: what does old stable mean ?? gnome-gv is there in old stable
09:35.20henry_nicolasliable : the problem is that they are so much settings in totem, I didn't see anything in this way
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09:35.42liablehenry_nicolas: i cant help any further, is there a #totem channel?
09:35.52henry_nicolasI will see
09:36.06_RubyxxI installed ssh-server on no1 and ssh client on no2.....one of them is down...i don't know which....but when I look at the network from no2 it has a ssh icon on the internet link of no1
09:36.26henry_nicolasliable : no there isn't
09:36.35liablehenry_nicolas: bugger
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09:36.56Vasisthatenzind: oldstable is the previous version of debian, currently 3.1, sarge.  If it's no longer available in the current release, then it was probably dropped for a good reason, or possibly because the maintainer quit
09:37.02henry_nicolasliable : maybe on #gnome
09:37.15_Rubyxxwhen i look from no1 at no2 there is no ssh icon
09:37.20liablehenry_nicolas: yeah, thats prolly the next best place to ask
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09:37.36henry_nicolasliable : ok thank you
09:37.37tenzindVasistha: ok ... thanks
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09:38.04MindFree calls --> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/
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09:38.07SakunixAny know whether Debian works well on a MacBook?
09:38.21liabledrive by spam rocks..
09:38.26azeemSakunix: it doesn't, I think
09:38.44tarzeauSakunix: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
09:38.57Sakunixazeem: :( I tried Ubuntu and couldn't get the wireless card to function correctly hoping debian has it sorted
09:39.12kubricksecurity.debian.org is down
09:39.22tarzeaukubrick: works, here
09:39.28Vasistha_Rubyxx: so, #2 is at 192.168.0.2, correct?  What happens if you 'ssh 192.168.0.1' from #2 ?
09:39.28kubrickmmm
09:39.36tarzeaukubrick: what does it resolve to?
09:39.39tarzeaukubrick: i think it's 3 machines
09:39.46kubrick212.211.132.250
09:39.50Sakunixthanks tarzeau
09:39.56liableSakunix: i would bet you have an atheros card and theres a few problems with them depending on the chip. see madwifi.org
09:40.19Sakunixliable: You are right thats what I got
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09:40.48_RubyxxI should type ssh 192.168.01 from the terminal?
09:40.50liableSakunix: see the compatability page at madwifi.org
09:40.59tarzeau_Rubyxx: don't forget the . between 01
09:41.07Sakunixliable: Will do
09:41.13kubricktarzeau: what does it resolve to you?
09:41.18_Rubyxxok
09:41.35liableSakunix: it may work with the newest hal branch
09:41.37tarzeaukubrick: host security.debian.org gives me 3 ip addresses
09:41.46tarzeaukubrick: i don't know which one is picked by the browser i tried with
09:42.31kubrickI cant get any
09:42.45Sakunixliable: hal?
09:43.03Sakunixhal?
09:43.34Vasisthasecurity.debian.org isn't resolving for me, either ... interesting
09:43.38kubricktarzeau: lol, the fucking rj45 wasnt properly hooked up
09:43.57tarzeaukubrick: nice
09:44.12Vasisthaerg, oops
09:44.23Vasisthatypo'd org as com
09:44.33Sakunixic, liable, madwifi.org doesn't have the chipset there that I am using? Could I use the driver for one of the others in the same family you think?
09:45.02Noborusani want to install sendmail but why it will install rmail ?
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09:45.50liableSakunix: hal is the binary blob that interfaces between the hardware and the driver code
09:46.53Sakunix<PROTECTED>
09:47.02VasisthaNoborusan: because it's a dependency.  rmail provides some functionality that sendmail uses (and requires, in order to work) ... just install it, and be happy that debian takes such good care of your computer ;)
09:47.14liableSakunix: ask in #madwifi I dont know exactly which chips it supports atm. be patient when you ask there, its sometimes a slow channel
09:47.18justin007Vasistha: thanks for the motivation, the program was "i"
09:49.02NoborusanVasistha, I see.Thanks.
09:49.02Sakunixliable: I am completely understanding, just annoying my windows and mac boots on this machine have wiki but my linux doesnt ><
09:49.03Vasisthajustin007: huh, I have no such program. enjoy!
09:49.03Sakunixwifi*
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09:52.40_RubyxxVasistha: it connected....but the networkwent down....whih was strange because it was still able to ping no1 even with the network down
09:52.44justin007Vasistha: sorry my mistakes, it is "iprint"
09:52.49_Rubyxxwhich
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09:53.31miguelanxoHi there
09:53.36Vasistha_Rubyxx: how are you determining that "the network went down"?
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09:54.40_Rubyxxthere is an icon near the clock....which shows the network connection....it had a red line across it
09:54.56_Rubyxxeven rebooting did not restart it
09:55.10Vasistha_Rubyxx: sounds like NetworkManager
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09:55.44liablehrm, all of a sudden i have a volume window thing when i change my volume.
09:55.46miguelanxoI've just recompiled my kernel with support for SMP, and my gigabit ethernet (tg3 driver) stopped working. I suppose there's a setting somewhere that gets (de)/selected for SMP and breaks the driver, even when the driver is known to work in SMP-enabled kernels (I've got an SMP-enabled kernel working in this machine, but's not tailored)
09:55.50miguelanxowhat can I do?
09:56.07_RubyxxVasitha: another thing is that I seem to have an SFTP file transfer going on ...is this right?
09:56.18Vasisthamiguelanxo: why would you do that, when the debian stock kernels already include support for smp?
09:56.57miguelanxowell, It's just a tradition I suppose. I try to recompile the kernel just with the minimum setting I need
09:57.16Vasistha_Rubyxx: well, I don't know what your little networkmanager icon is doing, but it sounds like it is not accurately reflecting the actual connection status of the machine
09:58.09_Rubyxxwhen i ssh 192.168.0.2 from no 1 the connection is refused
09:58.29liable!connection refused
09:58.30dpkgWhen a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you.  It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
09:58.31Vasisthamiguelanxo: there was a time when that was a good idea, but that time is past.  Modern kernels are well-modularized to the point that they go just as fast, and have just as small a memory footprint, no matter how many modules are available.  You probably won't actually see any performance improvement compiling your own, and as we see, you *are* having problems
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09:59.01Vasistha_Rubyxx: that's because #2 is not running an ssh server.
09:59.11miguelanxowell, you may be correct sir :)
09:59.44Noborusananyone has used ntpdate ?
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09:59.54_Rubyxxbut the ping times are  very low now 0.05 secs, down from 0.202secs
09:59.59Vasisthamiguelanxo: I was compiling my own until just recently, due to some buggy firmware on my old lappy, but etch's stock 2.6.18 is just .. better.  It just works for me, amazingly
10:00.04Noborusanit works greatly,but i would like to know,do i have to run it after a reboot ?
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10:01.51miguelanxoNoborusan: yeah
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10:02.15Noborusani would like it to run automatically and using my specified ntpserver
10:02.38_RubyxxMaybe I should find a way to configure the firewalls?
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10:04.02Vasistha_Rubyxx: I kind of doubt that's your problem, although that's not a bad idea.
10:04.27Vasistha_Rubyxx: but I still wonder, what happened when you did 'ssh 192.168.0.1' from machine #2 ?  Isn't that what you've been wanting to do this whole time?
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10:05.58gonzaloafHello, I want to change the language of my system... I have it in spanish right now... I want all to bein english, I just have to change the locales?
10:06.16yettenetHi there... a friend of mine is thinking about switching to debian from arch linux... is anyone here who switched from arch? He asked me to ask some people about the difference and send him the log
10:06.24_RubyxxIt asked me whether I really want to log onto an unauthorised machine...I said yes...it then asked me for the password of no1 and logged me on....but the network went down
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10:07.12_Rubyxxor seemed to go down
10:07.40Vasistha_Rubyxx: well, what happened with the ssh window?  I don't care about the icon next to the clock.  what happened in the ssh window??
10:07.55sbkI realize this is wildly off-topic -- is there a channel that might be appropriate for a low-level pdf question?
10:08.55Vasisthasbk: you could ask ##postscript ... they at least might be able to point you in the right direction
10:08.59_RubyxxHold on I think the best thing is to disconnect this machine from the internet completely and try and log back in here with a direct internet connection from no 2  rather than  from the failed network
10:09.07sbkVasistha: ah, thanks.
10:09.13Vasistha_Rubyxx: but what happened in the ssh window?
10:10.11_Rubyxxthere was no ssh window....all the dialogue was in the terminal console
10:10.40Vasisthawell, that's what I mean by the ssh window.  the window that has ssh on it.  or vt, if that's the case.
10:10.43liablelol
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10:11.11_Rubyxxno I was still in the terminal
10:11.21miguelanxowell, loaded stock kernel, works like a champ :P
10:11.57_Rubyxx....where I typed the ssh command
10:12.05Vasistha<V> What happened to the ssh window? <R> The network went down <V> What happened to the ssh window? <R> Hold on I think the best thing is to disconnect <V> What happened to the ssh window? <R> there was no ssh window
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10:12.15cheshire314hi guys! i'm getting the "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy" exception while i try to access my usb removable hd. i use sid+gnome. any ideas?
10:12.37sobersabrehi, is it possible to build a mirror software RAID out of existing partition, without losing data on it ?
10:12.55sobersabre( given 2 identical size HDDs, one has the data )
10:13.19_RubyxxNo window came up....the dialogue was all in the terminal.....sorry
10:13.32VasisthaTHAT IS WHAT I MEAN BY "WINDOW"
10:13.36Vasisthasorry for caps!
10:13.37_Rubyxxok
10:14.03VasisthaWhat happened there?? What did it say?? Did it do anything?? Did it say it lost the connection?
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10:14.46fooWill I get much more of a performance boost if I optimize a debian kernel? Or are they pretty rock solid/good from the start?
10:15.20Vasisthafoo: they're pretty good.  afaik, you're probably not going to see any improvement
10:15.22_Rubyxxbut I explained...it simply asked me whether I wanted to log on...I said yes and it logged me on after asking for the password for no1....but nothing happened after that....it simply changed the hostname
10:15.32TbbWhello anyone got some knowlidge about creating debian .dev files? i got alil issue figuring out what version number i suld use in the .deb file with a fixed version of GD for php5.2.2
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10:15.45Vasistha_Rubyxx: it "changed the hostname" ... did you get a prompt?
10:15.50_Rubyxxto my name followed by the ip of no1
10:15.53_Rubyxxyes
10:16.02azeemwhat else did you expect?
10:16.04fooVasistha: That's what I thought, thanks :D
10:16.07Vasistha_Rubyxx: did you try typing something there?
10:16.12sepfoo, if you'd get a performance benefit. i'd think it would be pretty small. and it would definitiftly be more pain to handle your own security issues then to use the good work by the debian security team
10:16.13TbbWerr... ".deb" even ( my bad )
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10:16.21_Rubyxxno
10:16.32Vasistha_Rubyxx: well try it!  It looks like ssh is *working* !
10:16.36foosep: Thank you.
10:16.36sobersabrefoo: what's the reason you want to "optimize" ?
10:17.10_RubyxxI just want to be able to access the internet from no2 without having to switch off no1
10:17.20_Rubyxxfrom the internet
10:17.24foosobersabre: Oh, just wondering. The programmer of this project apparently builds his own debian kernels and was telling me (the admin) I should do it ... but I know debian boasts rock solid performance... and I didn't think the extra time and minimal performance boost was worth it - just wanted to confirm my theories with you folk
10:17.25Vasistha_Rubyxx: I'm sorry to be so impatient. :)  it's just frustrating when you don't answer questions, and instead go off doing other, irrelevant things
10:17.25azeem_Rubyxx: why do you need ssh for that?
10:17.32IfelTowhey, i've recently upgraded to etch all packages up to date etc. I plug in my creative zen vision M to my laptop now, and for some reason it just causes the zen to crash - when i look at connected devices, it doesn't even register it lspci shows nothing and fdisk -l shows nothing either
10:17.44_Rubyxxok
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10:18.09sobersabrefoo: there will be no performance "boost" unless you work in a VERY special environment.
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10:18.41foosobersabre: I see. And by what would you define a "VERY special environment" ?
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10:19.06Vasistha_Rubyxx: there's a package that's specifically designed to do just that -- internet connection sharing -- and it has *nothing* to do with ssh
10:19.08sobersabresome very special hardware, special time constraints ( like real time stuff ) etc.
10:19.08_Rubyxxsomeone told me yesterday I needed ssh so I installed it ...now it seems to be irrellevant to the problem
10:19.17foosobersabre: ah, I see. ok
10:19.40sobersabrefoo: add to this that most everyday stuff can be controlled via sysctl etc.
10:20.00foosobersabre: Ah, I see. I'm not familiar with that. I'd have to look it up... or what does it do in a few words? :)
10:20.30sobersabreit does man sysctl :)
10:20.35Vasistha_Rubyxx: it's too bad you didn't tell us today what you were really trying to do :P  Too bad abrotman isn't here, I know he knows what that damn package is called.  I can never remember.
10:20.38foosobersabre: oh, doh!! Alright, thanks :)
10:20.50fengoripmasq
10:20.51_Rubyxxok
10:20.53Vasisthayay!
10:20.56Vasistha!ipmasq
10:20.56dpkgIf all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html
10:21.03BleSSis secure to delete the accounts that are not used as bin, daemon, games, etc?
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10:21.18tuvis it going to take long for libc6 2.5 to get to testing? i've come across a number of packages that are available in unstable only and that are pulling libc6 2.5 along. latest example: kvm
10:21.31fengorhttp://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 excplain everything you need to know too ;)
10:21.42Vasisthaokay, I ought to be able to remember that -- just grep the logs for internet connection sharing.  I even came up with the term myself...
10:21.47fengorBleSS: no its not
10:22.00tuvin other words, i can't install kvm in testing, can i?
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10:22.36Vasisthadpkg: internet connection sharing is <reply> see ipmasq
10:22.37dpkgVasistha: okay
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10:23.05BleSSfengor: why not? they are accounts that are disabled, but has a valid shell and
10:23.06Vasisthatuv: nope.  just be patient, it'll get there eventually.
10:23.06BleSSpotentially enable the
10:23.06BleSSlogin ID to continue to be used
10:23.16_Rubyxxok
10:23.38torrrwhich mail server is the best?
10:23.42BleSSfengor: sorry!! why not? they are accounts that are disabled, but has a valid shell and could potentially enable the login ID to continue to be used
10:24.13gui0Hi, I use a new kernel source with Debian but my mouse become crazy sometimes
10:24.15fengorbecause im pretty sure daemon andbin ARE used in your system
10:24.24fengorremoving them would break things
10:24.32BleSSok
10:24.36BleSSthanks
10:25.09liabletorrr: i vote postfix over exim, purely because exims config system is insane
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10:26.04torrrliable, thanks
10:27.27sobersabreguys. tell me if it is possible to build a raid1 out of an existing partition ?
10:27.29Vasisthagui0: what kernel source is that?
10:27.31sobersabreit is ?
10:27.44Vasisthasobersabre: I heard someone say the other day that that particular operation is possible
10:27.57gui0Vasistha,  the last one
10:28.08Vasisthagui0: and which one is that?  uname -r
10:28.17sobersabreok. I'll rtfm a bit.
10:28.21gui02.6.21.1
10:28.23sobersabrethanks, Vasistha
10:28.31sobersabrebyebye #debian
10:28.53fengorgui0: i doubt thats an official debian kernel
10:29.03Vasisthagui0: that kernel isn't in debian.  what version of debian are you using?
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10:29.17gui0testing
10:29.25gui0It's not a debian kernel
10:29.29gui0sure ...
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10:30.16gui0kernel.org ...
10:30.24fengorgui0: its like with cars. if you buy a car and change the engine and the engine blows up. you cannot sue the seller
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10:30.33gui0I see :)
10:30.58gui0I just try because perhaps it can be a know problem
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10:31.15fengorant the point of new kernels nowadays are more features not necessarily stability if i'm informed correctly
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10:32.44Vasisthafengor: wasn't that Andrew Morton's idea?
10:33.07fengorVasistha: i dont know i just overheard it here in the channel sometime ago
10:33.41fengor<-- has left the days behind hm where he needed to run the newest kernel released 5seconds ago ;)
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10:34.32tuvnice.. so even old plain qemu is uninstallable on testing? (well it is if vde[2] is unnecessary)
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10:37.10infesterAnyone here with experience of the bootsplash patch for 2.6.18 kernels?
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10:43.20Vasistha!anyone
10:43.21dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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10:45.43cydorkinfester: there some other alternatives like splashy and usplash which dont require kernel patching.
10:46.30sep<PROTECTED>
10:47.38ava_tar=(!(^$|^[a-zA-Z0-9]+$))              ?
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10:48.27fengor"!(^$|^[a-zA-Z0-9=]+$)" or "!(^$|^[a-zA-Z0-9\=]+$)"
10:48.31fengorone should work
10:48.36sepfengor, thanks ill try
10:48.46infestercydork: yes, i've heard about them, but I'd really like this to work, I hate when I have to give up on something like this :'/
10:48.47fengorif not ask google about regexes
10:49.18infesterAnyway, my problem is i cannot enter the menu for activating bootsplash after patching it
10:49.55ava_targrub?
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10:56.23john2hello, i have a DELL Workstation and i would like to use a Linux distribution.. it has monitor/keyboard/mouse etc.. so i can have a Windows interface.. if i add that (i think is Gnome or KDE) i will lose in performance? or is about the same?
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10:58.36alayalike windows, performance would probably depend more upon how many/few gui effects you use
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10:59.15alayabut if you want something really minimal/fast, you might like fluxbox or openbox
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10:59.38Gneajohn2: most debian and debian-based distros work just fine on dells
11:03.04combotfighterI've plugged in my PCI atheros WLan, but it doesn't appear in ifconfig. How can i change this?
11:03.24alayacombotfighter: that uses the madwifi driver
11:03.29john2that dell workstation will be in a datacenter on a company.. so i will have some times access.. but in most cases i will use it from my home.. so i will not need to have an interface.. what do you suggest me? have an interface or not? and also can i see that interface from home? (i use putty which is command-based)
11:03.29alaya!madwifi
11:03.29dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
11:05.00alayajohn2: you can start/stop the x server at will
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11:05.39alayain other words, run the gui when you want it
11:05.58john2aha
11:12.49alayajust don't install kdm/gdm/xdm and start x manually with "startx"
11:12.49alayaeven if you do have gdm you can just stop it
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11:13.41alayafor a server you may only want a minimal gui like openbox
11:13.41alayaif you install full kde you will get games, office programs, viewers, etc.
11:13.41alayasame with gnome
11:13.43fireba11alaya: usually you want no GUI at all :-)
11:13.43alayayeah, none or only minimal
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11:14.48athamefireba11, won't it get tough that way?
11:15.02tuvqemu says that kqemu support is not compiled (amd64). why does the debian package not have kqemu support enabled?
11:15.05athamea minimalistic gui is supposed to be a good thing.
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11:15.13tuvkqemu-source is in main now
11:15.25liabletuv: and installed?
11:15.34tuvliable, yes
11:15.38Bega_Debso .... Debian up with beryl now ;)
11:15.40tuvliable, and compiled using m-a
11:15.49john2and guys.. i know its debian's chan, but for server machines is there any special distribution? i mean for examlpe debian is for desktop and the X dist is for server? or all linux versions are the same for server?
11:16.42tuvjohn2, debian stable is usually used for servers
11:16.53john2aha ok
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11:16.59tuvjohn2, and debian testing is usually used for desktop
11:17.03liableathame: theres hardly a difference between a minimalst gui and no x at all. if you are going to run a minimalist gui, you may as well go without
11:17.13whaq!beryl
11:17.13dpkgberyl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian
11:17.34athameliable, doesn't 'no-gui' get slightly tough to work around?
11:17.38alayaits nice to have multiple xterms open in a gui
11:17.48can-o-wormsliable: what crap, how are you going to look at porn without x ?
11:17.53alayaif you're standing at the box
11:17.56athamecan-o-worms, 'links'
11:18.03liableathame: in what sense?
11:18.13can-o-wormsathame: check out the semicolon on that chick ?
11:18.32liablecan-o-worms: we are talking servers
11:18.36athameliable, surely not every function be available using just the shell
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11:18.59liablecan-o-worms: that would make some #debian users happy to see a semicolon on a chick! :P
11:19.04alayaathame: for administering a system, every function is
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11:19.07athamecan-o-worms, its pointy and its got the dot too rounded
11:19.24athametrue.
11:19.31liableathame: indeed, things are configured with text files or cli programs
11:19.44liablealaya: ^^
11:19.54liablebah
11:19.58liable!confuse me
11:19.59dpkgNo, who is our mushroom yesterday, liable? breeches of the democracy of mongolia with extra ham
11:19.59can-o-wormsliable: most debian users would just be happy to see a chick
11:20.01athameliable, what about music playback?
11:22.30liableathame: i like cplay for stored music, mplayer for streams
11:22.30cammoblammoIf you really need to look at, erm, graphics there is mplayer and fbi.
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11:22.31cammoblammoOf course, if you spend too long in the server room people start to suspect things.
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11:22.33liablecammoblammo: only when you lock the door and what people hear isn't hard drive *thrashing*
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11:22.34cammoblammoOne time, at computer camp... oh, never mind.
11:23.31athameliable, i get a 'player not found' on cplay. i just installed it.
11:23.36athamedoes it need a backend?
11:23.41liableyes
11:23.49liableinstall mpg123
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11:23.54athamek
11:24.02athamehow do i configure it to use mpg123?
11:24.16liableyou shouldnt need to do anything
11:24.22athamek
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11:25.28takezohi
11:25.29athameheh, i like it liable
11:25.30athame:)
11:25.48cammoblammoathame: While you're at it, I like mocp, which does playlists, colour themes and so on. I use it even when I'm in GUI mode.
11:26.04athamecammoblammo, right on it
11:26.11liableathame: nice innit :)
11:26.15athameliable, can the cplay playback be made to run in the background for the same user session?
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11:26.33athameseems the playback stops when i quit it
11:26.42cammoblammomocp can... ;-)
11:26.58athamemocp?
11:27.15BleSShow is possible that are being run the virtual consoles (sudo ps -ef|grep  getty) when they are commented (2 to 6) in /etc/inittab ?
11:27.28liableathame: i usually just run it in a screen seesion, if you just want to play a song or so, mpg123 could do that and you can background it
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11:28.10cammoblammoathame: The package is called moc. The binary is mocp.
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11:28.27athamek
11:28.33kombianyone know a good vserver in the netherlands?
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11:28.53liablevserver?
11:29.12BleSSwhy are being run the virtual consoles (sudo ps -ef|grep  getty) when they are commented in /etc/inittab (2 to 6)?
11:29.12kombivirtual server
11:29.49kombiliable: means one machine look like several root servers
11:29.50liablekombi: what do you mean?
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11:30.04liablestill doesnt make sense
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11:30.51kombiliable: you can rent a dedicated server with hardware exclusively used, and there is a slightly cheaper alternative with shared hardware but still root access
11:31.11cydorktuv: kqemu is loaded? any errors in dmesg?
11:31.21liablekombi: right, so you want a virtual machine hosting company?
11:31.27tuvnow it works #%@
11:31.29takezoi have  debian and dont work ok my wireleess, i need to configure manual always when i run the computer,
11:31.40takezohow can i do to configure auto when i run it..
11:31.50kombililable: if you would know a good one in the netherlands, that would be great, yes..
11:31.53mynullvoidbesides than alien to convert package to deb, what other util that I can use?
11:32.08tuvi just rm -f the /dev/kqemu device and recreated it. didn't work. then re-modprobe'ed the module and it works now :)
11:32.11berzerkai log with ssh into two different machines which lie behind the same nat router using port forwarding. i always get the "host key verification failed" error. what is the proper way to deal with this problem (i simply deleted known_hosts each time up to now..)?
11:32.15takezoany software o script to do it..?
11:32.15liablekombi: i dont :( i was just trying to make sense of your question :)
11:32.41liabletakezo: what you want can be done in your interfaces file
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11:33.02liabletakezo: man interfaces, zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
11:33.16cydorkberzerka: disable host key checking in sshd_config?
11:33.29kombimynullvoid: deb2targz
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11:33.48cydorkberzerka: coz your box thinks both machines are same. so they will have conflicts for sure.
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11:33.58mynullvoidkombi: I am looking for from targz to debian
11:34.08takezosorry i do not understand..
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11:34.32berzerkacydork: hmm disabling it completely seems somehow dirty to me.. can't i tell ssh to accept either of the keys? i thought there was a cleaner alternative.
11:34.41cydorktakezo: take a look at man interfaces and at /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian
11:35.08takezocan you recomend me i good tool to configure wireless.?
11:35.11takezoin my debian.?
11:35.19cydorkberzerka: well both machines can not have same hostkey. so there is no way out afaik.
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11:35.55berzerkacydork: well then, thank you.
11:36.23RA3ORhey, apache 2 comes with vhost built-in, right ?
11:36.26RA3OR:>
11:36.28liabletakezo: network manager
11:36.35takezofron debian.?
11:36.39kombimynullvoid: you sort of don't, quite different thins
11:36.48kombis/thins/things/
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11:36.56liableRA3OR: yes, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
11:37.03liableRA3OR: yes, /etc/apache2/sites-available/
11:37.04takezoit not work ok.. always i need to configure ip to my wlan0_rename
11:37.20mynullvoidkombi: I use this tool previously and it is better than alien, I forget the name of this package
11:37.30berzerkacydork: it is possible to add both keys to known_hosts then i get a warning of this kind every time: Offending key for IP in /home/bzk/.ssh/known_hosts:10 Matching host key in /home/bzk/.ssh/known_hosts:1, do you really want to connect?
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11:37.49berzerkabut i guess i will just disable it completely..
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11:38.29takezocan i configure IP in file /etc/network/internface
11:38.31takezo?
11:38.39liableyes
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11:38.44takezoto my ip..?
11:38.44kombi..you can!
11:39.11cydorkberzerka: man ssh_config search for StrictHostKeyChecking
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11:39.22takezoand how can specify route to my wlan0_rename ..? when run the computer..?
11:39.24RA3ORliable: i wonder if under win32 apache will work with shortcuts
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11:39.33cydorkberzerka: you can set that to "no"
11:39.35liableRA3OR: no idea
11:40.14Alptraum-hey there, i'm trying to compile a UDF for mysql. but since i never have done this before i'm getting some serious problems. i have the c++ sourcecode (mysqllevenshtein.cc) but i cant compile it
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11:42.00noizzeI have a question about Debian Apache Webserver Setup
11:42.00chemaja1<PROTECTED>
11:42.41noizzeI like to use .htaccess but i get Options not allowed here.....
11:42.44ootputis there dj softwware available for the linux platform. more importantly, does such software exist in the official stable repo?
11:42.51chemaja1can we market this as "our applications are so robust that even when they crash they still run?" :P
11:42.53takezowho can add default route by my wlan interface..?
11:43.03takezohow..? sorry
11:43.09noizzeI thought easy..... Just add AllowOverride All to your Document root
11:43.22kombinoizze: do it in the virtualhost, but clearly that is a question for #apache
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11:44.05Alptraum-please see here for more details of my compilation problem: http://pastie.caboo.se/61704
11:44.10noizzekombi: i dont think so! it work fine on my local server
11:44.21takezohow can add default route to my wlan0 interface..?
11:45.29noizzeIts just the stupid unusual Debian Setup ....same with MySQL .... everyone use --skip-networking to refuse external mysql connection but debian do it in another way and i have no idea how to enable external mysql connections
11:46.10athamethis is going to sound very noobish, but how do i 'cd' to a directory named (2002) - Hello?
11:46.51athamecd (2002)\ -\ Hello/ ?
11:46.56noizzeathame: Use quotes ;-)
11:47.07noizzecd "(2002) - Hello"
11:47.19cydorkathame: or use \( for (
11:47.21takezohow can share partition to windows in my debian.?
11:47.34wintixtakezo: samba
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11:47.47athamedone. thanks noizze
11:47.57takezohow can install ? with apt-get..?
11:48.01robor if it is on the same pc, make a fat32 partition
11:48.08takezoor is installed by default in my computer
11:48.09takezo?
11:48.15wintix!installit
11:48.15dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
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11:48.28jelly-homeHi, where do bugs for bpo packages go?
11:50.30takezohow i run samba..?
11:50.52ctphi folks. i try to install an OpenType Font (Myriad) on my etch box. anyone has a hint how to deal with it?
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11:51.04noizzetakezo: start the deamon in: /etc/init.d/
11:51.37noizze....sometimes i dont understand why ppls ask such basic plain questions
11:51.42wintixtakezo: you have to install, configure and run it. you might try google.
11:51.43noizze:-|
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11:51.57takezoit todl to my -su: start: command not found
11:52.05wintixbecause they are lazy.
11:52.10takezoi installed with apt-get install samba
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11:52.38noizzetakezo: he ask only "how do i run" not install :)
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11:52.55takezowintix: it told to me; -su: start: command not found
11:53.35noizzetakezo: fine, you know know there's no "start" command
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11:53.56takezoim baby with linux
11:53.59takezosorry
11:54.20noizzetakezo: did u configure samba already?
11:54.34noizzetakezo: create & edit smb.conf File?
11:54.36wintixtakezo: modify /etc/samba/smb.conf to your needs. after that restart samba with /etc/init.d/samba restart
11:54.44takezoi only did it; apt-get install samba
11:54.55noizzenot enough
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11:55.33takezosmb.conf its by default, only i writte domain of my network..
11:55.40noizzetakezo: however, you need to spend some time for one of this *many* tutorials ...believe me it same u *lots* of time ;-)
11:56.13mkl1525Hi, is there a recommendable mailing list tool for debian sarge that runs out of the box? had a look at mailman but there are changes to exim config by hand necessary
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11:56.51kakakokaIs there a way to list the running/stopped state of all scripts in /etc/init.d/?
11:57.21kombipstree
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11:58.07oa_mkl1525, icedove ?
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11:59.21kakakokakombi: I was more thinking a tool that lists the running/stopped state as seen by the start-stop-daemon, not as actual processes (ie. not as ps)
11:59.27petemcsysv-rc-conf
11:59.32petemci think it does that..
11:59.45petemcor some approximation of it
12:00.16jeromehum. Strange, my ibm x24 don't resume correctly after a suspend to disk/ram now. It used to a few days ago, now the screen is blank on resume and I think the system is frozen
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12:00.41kombikakakoka: thing is, most scripts only run to start daemons
12:01.17arcilhey guys. i have a question concerning the use of encrypted lvm. i searched the web but did not find good information. can somebody recommend me a page which deals with this issue. i am very curious about it. how secure it is, how much it slows down the computer, the disadvantages and so on. does somebody here have informations for me? thank you in advance
12:01.37Noborusanis there a Zend Optimizer for debian etch via apt?
12:01.45ma3xconfigure: error: *** MAC lib headers not installed - please install first ***
12:01.49ma3xwhat package do I install for that?
12:01.54petemcNoborusan: zend is commercial software, no?>
12:02.03kakakokakombi: petemc: oki
12:02.08stewma3x: see if config.log tells you what file it was looking for
12:02.34ma3xconftest.c:57:24: error: mac/config.h: No such file or directory
12:02.46Noborusanpetemc, Zend Optimizer is freeware,i think ?
12:02.47stewma3x: /msg dpkg apt-file
12:02.57ma3xstew, I tried searching it gives too many results
12:03.00ma3xI don't know which one is it
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12:03.38stewma3x: what exactly did you search for?
12:03.51mkl1525oa_, thnaks for the hint but I need a tool that creates/manages mailing lists not a reader
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12:04.18ma3xstew, config.h
12:04.20petemc<PROTECTED>
12:04.21athamecammoblammo, i was playing an mp3 with mocp, i closed the terminal window and its still playing in the background. how do i stop it?
12:04.26stewma3x: search for "mac/config.h"
12:04.30ma3xstew, no results
12:04.35stewma3x: there is your answer
12:04.57ma3xgreat
12:05.01ma3xlo
12:05.06xarquidmkl1525: majordomo / mailman?
12:05.12ma3xstew, you're always so reasonable
12:05.30ma3xthat's just fantastic
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12:06.25mkl1525petemc, thanks had a look at debian-administration but wasn't that helpful, any link from your side?
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12:07.13doudouwhat do i need to be able to do "ifconfig tun0 127.0.0.10" ?
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12:09.12kubrickdoudou: tun/tap support into the kernel
12:09.31Loigorroot
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12:09.41justin008doudou:you need to be the superuser :-)
12:10.47petemcmkl1525: i dont know off hand, the docs supplied with the mailman package no good?
12:10.56purplepenguinsand also ideally you'd have to have TUN drivers loaded in your kernel
12:10.57doudoukubrick, how do i check that? i have /dev/tun enought?
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12:11.19purplepenguinsdmesg | grep tun
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12:11.20doudoujustin008, i know root passwd
12:11.32purplepenguinsif that pops something up
12:11.58stewdoudou: what kind of tunnel are you trying to create?
12:12.01purplepenguinsif not, then you'll need to recompile your kernel
12:13.15doudoustew, i dont know exactly even what is really a tunnel, i think i will try to launch something with qemu but i never did that
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12:13.31purplepenguinshmm, so you need a tunnel for a VM?
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12:14.48doudoupurplepenguins, pbly, is it right way?
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12:15.12doudoustew, how can i check kernel have what is needed for tun/tap?
12:15.24stewdoudou: what does "uname -r" say?
12:15.25doudoustew, tell me whre to read
12:15.43sdfhi i found  the last version of debian have 21 iso torrent file??
12:15.44TbbWhttp://phpfi.com/234222 <- nice
12:15.51doudoustew, 2.6.18-4-k7
12:15.51sdfwhat is this?
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12:16.01stewdoudou: that has tun/tap enabled
12:16.24doudoustew, ifconfig tun0 says device does not exists
12:16.38TbbWi got a fixed version of GD but the version number with the .deb comfuses me alil doh :P
12:16.50mkl1525petemc, followed /usr/share/doc but getting "pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router" when a mail arrives for the mailing list, any suggestions?
12:17.16petemcmkl1525: did you configure exim with debconf?
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12:17.37stewdoudou: "tun" is the name of the kenrel module for tun/tap
12:17.52purplepenguinsI do remember that you need to use a tunnel for VM's
12:17.57purplepenguinsbut never done it on debian
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12:18.07purplepenguinsin any case you'll probably have to recompile your kernel
12:18.13purplepenguins!recompile kernel
12:18.34purplepenguins!compile kernel
12:18.35dpkgTo compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra'
12:19.09petemcdebian kernels have tun support, no?
12:19.17jeromehum, it seems that my suspend/resume problems come from xorg as I have no such problems when suspend/resuming from console mode.
12:19.26jerome(without X active)
12:19.28mkl1525petemc, yes
12:19.37petemcmkl1525: which option did you choose?
12:20.46Noborusansorry,but i need to know ImageMagick Binary Path ?
12:20.58mkl1525petemc, split files, internet site, mailing list domain (and other), no relay
12:21.03Noborusansays Path to the ImageMagick 6 binaries (convert and identify). Example: Unix: /usr/local/bin/
12:21.28liableNoborusan: /usr/bin for debian
12:21.46Noborusanjust /usr/bin with/without slash ?
12:21.57doudoustew, do you know what is device sit0 ? and how to know what program made it?
12:22.23stewdoudou: sit0 is an ipv6 in ipv4 tunnel
12:22.35Noborusanliable, magic ! Thank you very much
12:22.44petemcmkl1525: can you confirm, you've tried the readme.exim that came with mailman?
12:22.46Noborusanits worked :D very beautiful
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12:24.29stewdoudou: so, am i to understand that you have some instructions for setting up kqemu that are telling you to crate a tun0, but they don't tell you how to create a tun0?
12:24.38gromgulladding APT::Default-Release "etch"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf should make my system stay at etch even if I have testing and unstable sourcelines, right?
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12:25.19doudoustew, no no, i try pbly things that does not exists, i did not read qemu yet
12:25.33stewgromgull: you really don't want to mix stable with testing or unstable, use backports instead: /msg dpkg backports
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12:25.57basantathe installer is unable to call cfdisk, any idea why?
12:26.05doudoustew, i tried bochs but it does not work, needs some files more to boot, and they are not give with aptitude install bochs
12:26.23gromgullstew: thanks - i'll look into it, but pretending I never install anything from unstable or testing, the syntax and file is right?
12:26.57stewgromgull: if you never install anything from unstable or testing, then you don't need that line, just get rid of unstable and testing from your sources.list
12:27.36stewdoudou: if you aren't trying to install qemu, then what are you trying to do?
12:28.51mkl1525petemc, shame on me just had a look at the .DEBIAN file, will read it
12:29.13petemcgood shit
12:29.20doudoustew, i would have like to put a virtual nic into my computer, but i can open it a put a real one too
12:29.25takezohow can i do to run the system auto with user i specify
12:29.27takezo?
12:29.28takezothank
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12:30.02rzagood day
12:30.10stewdoudou: what do you plan to do with the virtual nic?  do you just need an alias, such as eth0:1?
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12:30.17petemctakezo: you might want to rephrase that question so it makes some sense
12:30.22rzaanyone knows if Sean Finney or anyone of the debian php team ircs?
12:30.45doudoustew, should bochs run on my computer, or some file are really missing? i have a pentium II i think (geode NX)
12:31.06takezoi want , when the system its start up, log in wiith user auto
12:31.24petemctakezo: you can configure a display manager such as gdm to automatically log in
12:31.24takezoi dont wwant writte the user to access .
12:31.28stewrza: yes, seanius@irc.debian.org, but he's not there now
12:31.37Nielsen|Worktakezo: in CLI or GUI?
12:31.43stewdoudou: i dont' know anything about bochs
12:31.45takezogui
12:31.46rzastew: im not in a hurry
12:31.51stewdoudou: what do you plan to do with the virtual nic?  do you just need an alias, such as eth0:1?
12:31.54rzastew: thank you for the information
12:31.54takezoit s for run my media center
12:32.01Nielsen|Worktakezo: i know kde/kdm offers autologin
12:32.15doudoustew, i would like to send traffic from eth0 to eth1, i suppose then it will be as if i had two computers linked?
12:32.19stewrza: you should consider email then
12:32.24takezoits k menu
12:32.32doudoustew, with iptables
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12:33.00rzastew: yeah, i just prefer "conversation"
12:33.01takezoNielsen: how can i do autologin.?
12:33.07stewdoudou: you want to route it, or you want bridge it?
12:33.09Nielsen|Worktakezo: open the control center, go to System administratiion, Login Manager
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12:34.03Nielsen|Worktakezo: you want the Convenience tab
12:34.10doudoustew, prefer route it, when i traceroute to google for example there is always a computer that does not respond
12:34.28doudoustew, bridge it is to make unvisible computers
12:34.33doudoustew, bridge it is to make unvisible routers
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12:35.12stewdoudou: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -J ACCEPT ; edit /etc/sysctl.conf and make sure ip_forward is set to 1
12:35.13doudoustew, i would like to make plenty of virtual visible routers
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12:35.46stewdoudou: you can create aliases for eth0 like eth0:1 eth0:2 etc in /etc/network/interfaces : /msg dpkg interfaces
12:36.05doudoustew, yes but i have no eth1, i need to quit my house, take car and children, go to store and buy nic!
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12:36.16doudoumsk dpkg
12:36.24doudou!dpkg
12:36.24dpkgi guess dpkg is a program. you have to expect some confusion if you name yourself after a program
12:36.46doudou!dpkg interfaces
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12:37.05doudoustew, seems i am too stupid
12:37.29stewdoudou: what are you going to connect to eth1?  some other computer?
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12:37.51Zap-Wanyone know of a stock debian kernel with Root NFS support compiled in?
12:38.27stewZap-W: exactly which config option are you asking about?
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12:38.58Zap-WCONFIG_ROOT_NFS !
12:39.02doudoustew, no same one i think
12:39.12mkl1525petemc, have set router and transport for mailman and restarted exim but exim still complains about "pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router"
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12:39.27stewdoudou: then what is the point of having a second ethernet card?
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12:40.13sdivehi, how to I remove unused dependencies in Debian? :)
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12:41.30stewsdive: if you always use aptitude instead of apt-get, it is done automatically, otherwise use deborphan or debfoster
12:41.30doudoustew, i dont know
12:41.30stewdoudou: what are you trying to do?
12:41.31sdivestew, I'm an apt-get guy - I'll try one of those then, thank you
12:41.55Zap-Wbioo
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12:42.06doudoustew, i would be peased to be able to create virtual nics, seems it it not useful, i thougjt it was simple
12:42.39stewdoudou: it is simple, just add a eth0:1 in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup eth0:1
12:42.53stewdoudou: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has examples
12:42.59doudoustew, i can test to dispatch incomming trafiic betweens computers
12:43.03Zap-Wsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup]
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12:43.29sdivestew, how is the accuracy with deborphan? for example it wants me to remove libperl (which I think must be used)
12:43.38cheshire314sdive: i usually use "orphaner -a --purge"
12:44.16NoborusanI forgot the person who suggested me to install cgi for php rather than its being a module of apache ?
12:44.44NoborusanI mean,does that mean something especially ?security ?cuz dreamhost does this too
12:44.56stewsdive: deborphan is accurate.  i don't know what libperl is, debian doesn't have such a package, but "apt-cache rdepends libperl" will list for you the packages which depend on libperl, you can check to see if you have any of them installed
12:45.05cheshire314sdive: orphaner is just a deborphan frontend, -a option should allow you to see every packages, libraries too.
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12:47.22sdivestew, doesn't look like I need any of those. I'll try to remove them then :)
12:47.56sdivecheshire314, alright. I think I'll go with deborphan though :)
12:49.13cheshire314sdive: ok. you don't trust me! :-)
12:50.01sdivecheshire314, hah, had any problems with deborphan? ;)
12:50.51solemnwarningIf I compile a custom kernel on an LVM system, does it need me to learn to make initrd's?
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12:51.39cheshire314sdive: not at all, i think orphaner and deborphan are exactly the same thing, it's just a matter of having a gui.
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12:52.11cheshire314(sdive: if you want purge your packages remember --purge option)
12:54.21sdivecheshire314, will do, thanks :)
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12:55.14tarzeaui hate HP WEBJET ADMIN crap java software
12:55.14solemnwarningAnyone?
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13:00.39takezohow can i give to my debian a spectacular look..?
13:00.49takezoany web whith themes..
13:00.54takezolike nigh..
13:00.56takezo?
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13:01.21sephttp://www.debianart.org ?
13:01.27takezoahh, some cisco vpn client compatible.
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13:02.53Noborusani thought Zend Optimizer was included in etch,hmm
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13:10.40Bega_Debis there a finance/budget app that anyone can recommend me to use in Etch (gnome)?
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13:15.37dondelelcaroBega_Deb: gnucash
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13:17.24jelly-homeNoborusan: zend optimizer is binary only, non-free software, it'll never be in Debian under those constraints
13:17.51doudoustew, does not works, says no device exists, how do i check module tap is running?
13:18.16stewdoudou: what doesn't work?
13:18.20stewdoudou: what are you trying to do?
13:18.39stewdoudou: "modprobe tun" to load the tun/tap module
13:18.42Noborusanjelly-home, i see,and i was checking says its less good than eaccelerator,anyway thanks
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13:19.06Begasusinstalling gnucash atm ... thnx dondelelcaro
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13:20.02jelly-homeNoborusan: well, eaccelerator can't be distributed in Debian either because of license issues so... :-)
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13:21.32doudoustew, modprobe tun and modprobe -l | grep tun says ok for tun, but nothing for tap
13:21.40Noborusanjelly-home, isnt ea free ?
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13:21.55doudoustew, http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=4&topic=tap seems to says that tap0 and tap1 are virtual nic
13:22.11spheardis a sunfire v120 a decent machine?
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13:27.21jelly-homeNoborusan: see http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060917.180528.d3ab3259.en.html
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13:28.43Noborusanokay
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13:30.39Thmsis ndiswrapper in the minimal CD ?
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13:30.44Thmsor the netinst CD ?
13:31.11fireba11netinstall
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13:32.06doudoustew, i have also problems with qemu, how do i create disk image?
13:32.27tarzeausomeone got a large hp laserjet firmware collection?
13:32.31stewdoudou: tun is the tun/tap driver.  the link you posted was for freebsd, not for linux
13:32.44stewdoudou: disk image of what?
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13:33.21SmariUhm. Could somebody tell me what's the right course of action when libXrender.la is missing?
13:33.22estershello, when i put an blank cd-r disc , dmesg outputs this : cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! , i can't write data on those disks!
13:33.23doudoustew, i tryed to put tun0 and tap0 up this is impossible, cant understand why
13:33.38stewdoudou: what are you trying to do exactly?
13:34.03doudoustew, virtual machines, answering networktraffic
13:34.27doudoustew, i want to launch another linux in qemu
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13:36.05doudoustew, they says to make a image of a disk with qemu, did you know how? if for example i only want to boot a smal iso file of debian?
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13:37.18sepdoubleukay,  this is debian-edu spesific, but you should be able to interpolate the info you need    http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/TestCDinstall
13:37.31stewdoudou: so, am i to understand that you have some instructions for setting up qemu that are telling you to crate a tun0, but they don't tell you how to create a tun0?
13:37.33doubleukayhi
13:37.38doubleukayahh.. never mind :)
13:37.43stewdoudou: you are asking how to create an iso?
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13:38.17doubleukayoh well, while i'm here
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13:38.32doubleukaydoes anyone know a good tool to improve latex workflow?
13:38.35infesterI'm having trouble getting bootsplash to work on my ppc, i cannot enter the bootsplash configuration meny while configuring my kernel, is this a common problem?
13:38.42doudoustew, i forgive the tun0 story for a moment, not how to create a iso, but to create the image of a disk needed by qemu to boot from a iso file
13:38.45cydorkdoudou: you want to boot a iso with qemu?
13:38.51doubleukaycurrently i'm editing -> make -> preview in xpdf
13:38.54doudoucydork, yes
13:38.55cydorkdoudou: -cdrom option
13:39.03nevyndoudou: rubber?
13:39.11cydorkdoudou: use qemu -cdrom /path/to/iso
13:39.12azeemnevyn: eh?
13:39.16doudoucydork, seems simple
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13:39.22nevyndoubleukay: rubber
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13:39.27doubleukaythanks
13:39.32nevynazeem: wrong expansion
13:39.36azeemI see
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13:39.45nevyndoubleukay: but lots of people use make
13:39.57nevyndoubleukay: if I'm even solving the right problem...
13:39.58ma3xany good wav to mp3 encoder you'd recommend?
13:40.10CaT[tm]lame
13:40.24nevynlame
13:40.29CaT[tm](really, is there any other answer to that question?)
13:40.48nevynThere are no other mp3 encoders that exist.
13:40.54doubleukaynevyn: while i'm writing, it's vim all the way. it's when i want to finalize it that the whole make-preview-edit-wash-repeat gets cumbersome :)
13:41.02CaT[tm]oh I've used them in the past
13:41.11ma3xI mean with gui
13:41.12doubleukaythanks, i'll see how rubber goes
13:41.24CaT[tm]ma3x: get a gui wrapper for it
13:41.32ma3xlike what?
13:41.34nevyndoubleukay: dunno if it'll help THAT much with that problem
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13:41.58nevynit's more a make that knows about some latexy semantics (like needing to run twice to get indexes and lof and stuff
13:41.59CaT[tm]ma3x: buy lame gui might be good search terms on google if you were to think about helping yourself to some information
13:42.25ma3xcat, buy????
13:42.36CaT[tm]ma3x: but
13:42.39ma3xok
13:42.49doubleukaynevyn: ahh yes.. the quirks of la/bibtex :)
13:43.02doubleukaynot complaining though.. i really rather use that than to reference by hand heh heh
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13:43.54ootputwhat's the name of the differently-copyrighted cdrecord alternative?
13:44.09doudoucydork, worked very well
13:44.09ootputwill it essentially take the same arguments?
13:44.09azeemootput: wodim
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13:47.34^rob^hello - i am having an annoying problem with ftp and nat - when NAT is enabled, If i connect locally to ftp and passive is off - ls give this err: 500 Illegal PORT command << even with ftp_nat module
13:47.56^rob^but i can connect from outside the world and do ls,
13:48.06ma3xwhy is 'lame' disabled in soundconverter?
13:48.12ma3xshould I install the lame package or what?
13:48.15ma3xit's not available
13:48.18azeemma3x: lame is not in Debian
13:48.22azeemit's patent-encumbered
13:48.30azeemma3x: you can get it from debian-multimedia
13:48.32ma3xazeem, so is there way to install it or not?
13:48.33ma3xoh ok
13:48.40ma3xis that marillat?
13:48.43azeemyes
13:48.45ma3xok
13:48.45ma3xthanks
13:49.02^rob^ma3x: i think marillat change the server.
13:49.40doubleukay^rob^: illegal port command.. on a local(host) ftp server?
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13:49.47^rob^doubleukay: yes
13:49.49ma3xi know azeem said already
13:49.57^rob^ma3x: ok
13:50.12doubleukayhmm that's weird :)
13:50.20^rob^doubleukay: if i disable nat postrouting it's working...
13:51.10doubleukayi see
13:51.10ma3xazeem, I installed lame, but MP3 is still disabled in soundconverter
13:51.10doubleukaythat postrouting nat rule wouldn't happen to be working on lo, is it?
13:51.11^rob^iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
13:51.14^rob^is on both.
13:51.26^rob^should i put it only on eth0 ?
13:52.17doubleukay^rob^: hmm i don't see any harm restricting it to eth0 (-o eth0)
13:52.19doubleukayhth
13:52.25unreal-dudeso, if i update my kernel with apt-get, and it has graphics probs, (i love 640x480) wtf do i do?
13:54.02^rob^doubleukay: testing brb ;)
13:54.09berzerkaunreal-dude: first of all, drop that kind of language :P
13:54.17jelly-homeunreal-dude: new kernel requires rebuilding for proprietary drivers for the graphic card
13:54.18^rob^hmm
13:54.23SmariNobody?
13:54.29fengor^rob^: do you use the ipmasq package?
13:54.32^rob^it seems it's ok now.
13:54.49azeemSmari: libXrender.la is supposed to be missing
13:54.50SmariI'm looking for libXrender.la .. it doesn't seem to be in the relevant packages and I need it to be able to compile pidgin.
13:54.51unreal-dudehmm
13:54.55Smariazeem: Ohh?
13:54.56^rob^fengor: no - just iptables
13:54.57unreal-dudeok, love to learn i guess
13:55.02Smariazeem: Then what do I do?
13:55.02azeemSmari: fix pidgin then
13:55.15azeemSmari: btw, why do you compile it?
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13:55.35Smariazeem: Can't find it in apt?
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13:55.44SmariWoah
13:55.47SmariYeah I can.
13:55.47SmariHaha
13:55.59SmariI updated my repository and it must have come new in there.
13:56.03SmariNevermind then. :)
13:56.06SmariThanks anyway.
13:56.09possieanyone that might know how to recover from a partition table that has been overwritten? i'm using gpart but it finds partitions saying:   type: 000(0x00)(unused)
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13:56.30^rob^doubleukay: ty mate - you made me happy - i was so close to go in desperate mode ;)
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13:56.42doubleukay^rob^: glad to help :)
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14:01.39jeplercan someone point me at a description of all the things that can be written in a package's Depends or Build-Depends line?  I have looked in the places I know about (e.g., http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control) but I did not find a complete listing.
14:02.12jeplerI am particularly puzzled by this item, from the build-depends of vim:  libgpmg1-dev [!hurd-i386] | not+linux-gnu
14:02.19liablejepler: try #debian-mentors on oftc
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14:02.47beaphi what group is this? /dev/sg0 ?
14:02.54NoborusanThanks for helping me,have a good day
14:03.44kramed_anyone know of a netbeans repo?
14:03.49dondelelcarojepler: there isn't a complete listing, really, because almost anything can modify the resultant control file
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14:05.10azeemjepler: that's from type-handling
14:05.14azeemjepler: you can just ignore it
14:05.45azeemactually, "libgpmg1-dev [!hurd-i386] | not+linux-gnu" is pretty stupid as hurd-i386 is not+linux-gnu as well
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14:06.38jelly-homeazeem: it could be a marker for "if any other non-linux-gnu arch comes around, add it here too"
14:07.02azeemjelly-home: like, kfreebsd-i386
14:07.11jelly-homeright
14:07.19azeemwhich is why they added it I guess, but they could've dropped the hurd-i386 then
14:07.23azeemanyway, it's cosmetic
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14:07.35liableor cosmic
14:07.51jelly-homecosplay?
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14:09.19jduggan_hi all, is there no mod_authz_host in debian's apache? since i went from sarge to etch ive got an error with Order by in my conf
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14:12.16estershttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=14998
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14:12.57ArafangionHow do I allow my screen session to be seen by multiple people?
14:13.05Arafangionie, the ^a:multiuser on
14:13.54liablei thought all you had to do was et em to connect with -x
14:14.15liablesomeone stole my 'g' key!
14:14.25Arafangionliable: the naive approach works for the SAME user.
14:15.35Arafangionliable: It's different for multiple users, otherwise any random guy on your system would be able to attach to your screen session!
14:15.49liableArafangion: ack
14:16.48ootput!xen
14:16.48dpkghmm... xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net
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14:22.30unreal-dudeso, where do i begin with this
14:22.41xandwith what?
14:22.48unreal-dudeunreal-dude: new kernel requires rebuilding for proprietary drivers for the graphic card
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14:23.17naitramok simple question here, been developing software / script to run on a server. Need to start all the software / scripts on startup, where to put the commands.
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14:23.46unreal-dudethe init.d and such
14:24.07unreal-dudeunless, its apps and not services
14:24.56naitramunreal-dude: all are apps  and php scripts
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14:27.05arwwhat is the state-of-the-art way to keep installed packages on a number of computers synchronized?
14:27.08sarefohi, how do i add a source to the list of servers that get searched with apt-get?
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14:27.23stewsarefo: man sources.list
14:27.26sarefothx
14:27.27arwsarefo: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:28.23arwthe current approach i use is dpkg --set-selections < long-list
14:28.26novata_peleonai am trying to run links (ed2k) and execute them agains kmldonkey. I read i must set the path to /usr/bin/ed2k, but i set it and it does not work
14:28.27XMrsus there a ATI driver in etch stable
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14:28.52rgsteelenaitram: apt-get install rcconf
14:28.54jelly-homenaitram: look at man update-rc.d, man start-stop-daemon, /etc/init.d/skeleton, and probably Debian Policy
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14:29.06stewXMrs: yes xserver-xorg-video-ati
14:29.20stewXMrs: (which should be installed automatically when you install the 'xorg' metapacakge)
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14:29.49stickybit`iceweasel crashes when try to bookmark any page in debian etch.... any solution?
14:29.55jharrisonwkanyone know of system benchmarking software for linux that would show floating point performance?
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14:30.10stickybit`stew:
14:30.14stewstickybit`:
14:30.24arwjharrisonwk: linpack.
14:30.25jelly-homenaitram: or do you just need to run things once at boot time?
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14:30.34arwjharrisonwk: but its not that simple...
14:30.36stickybit`stew: iceweasel crashes when try to bookmark any page in debian etch.... any solution?
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14:31.05naitramjelly-home: just need to run things once at boot time, also need some scripts to have su permission
14:31.10liablestickybit`: is your home dir from another install or shared?
14:31.32stickybit`liable: another install
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14:32.06liablestickybit`: move your mozilla/iceweasl directory elswhere and try again
14:32.12stickybit`liable: ok
14:32.14jelly-homenaitram: simplest way is probably to mkdir /etc/rc.boot and put them there.
14:32.35liablerc.local can do that
14:32.44Arafangionliable: Ahh, screen has to be setuid'd root, it seems.
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14:33.28liableArafangion: really? i just tried suing to another user from within screen and it didnt like it, so i gave up.
14:33.51Arafangionliable: first, chmod +s screen.
14:34.02liableArafangion: that doesnt sound very sane
14:34.10Arafangionliable: Then, as one user, ^a:multiuser on
14:34.20Arafangionliable: And, ^a:addacl otheruser
14:34.23liableArafangion: i just tried the acladd thing
14:34.27h3sp4wnits already g+s
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14:34.48Arafangionliable: Now, you can, as the other user, do screen -x originaluser/
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14:34.57ootputwould there be any benefits in running the xen kernel as compared to the regular kernel if I chose not to employ xen for the time being?
14:34.59Arafangionh3sp4wn: Hmm? So, why did I have to +s it?
14:35.04ootputs/benefits/drawbacks
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14:35.27h3sp4wnArafangion: not in the right group ?
14:35.57naitramjelly-home: what would I put in the directory for startup of an app that exists in another directory, a symlink? What about to run a script, would I need a bash script to do that in the directory or just one bash script for all I want to do?
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14:36.51Arafangionh3sp4wn: Hmm, that'd do it.  I forget how much more flexible linux acl's have become.
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14:38.41sobersabrehi guys, I cannot mount a non listed in /etc/mtab partition
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14:38.54sobersabreI get error: already mounted or busy
14:38.57sobersabrewhat the hell ?!
14:39.09naitramjelly-home: never mind, I see now. Thanks
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14:39.20jelly-homenaitram: you can put any number of executables there (symlinks should work too), as long as their names conform to run-parts' spec
14:39.41stickybit`thanks liable it worked
14:39.58stickybit`liable: but what is the reason?
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14:40.24sobersabresorry for bothering, it's samba!
14:40.26sobersabre:)
14:40.44sobersabreno... its 's not
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14:41.08Arafangionh3sp4wn: I keep thinking that +s is the "special bit" ;)
14:41.11sobersabreso.. what can not allow me to mount partition... ?
14:41.48FaolchuWhat do I add to /etc/apt/sources.list to add the unstable repo? I tried 'unstable' after the main repo, but I got errors after updating APT
14:41.54FaolchuI googled and had little luck.
14:42.19fengorFaolchu: what do you use right now?
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14:43.00Faolchufengor: etch, main, contrib, non-free
14:43.02jelly-homeArafangion: only "special" apps use it :-)
14:43.11fengorand you want to upgrade to lenny?
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14:43.22Faolchufengor: No, I just want to get a single app that is in the unstable repos.
14:43.40Arafangionjelly-home: Very true :)
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14:43.50fengoryou arent supposed to mix the repos Faolchu
14:44.08fengorbut to answer your question
14:44.18liablestickybit`: i dont know, can only speculate that your old distro made imcompatible files, which really shouldnt be the case these days
14:44.20fengoryou have to change etch to unstable for accessing the unstable repos
14:44.30FaolchuI see. You think installing moodbar from the repos would present a problem?
14:44.32judgen_anyone involed in the dansguardian project?
14:44.51azeemfengor: please don't recommend upgrading to unstable
14:45.11fengorFaolchu: i think mixing the repos will present problems since many programs will have dependencies which could get upgraded as well
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14:45.28fengorazeem: i didnt recommend upgrading i specifically said it would be unwise
14:45.40FaolchuBleh, maybe alien can handle the rpm...
14:45.42liablestickybit`: try moving subdirectories back in and see which causes the problem
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14:46.03stickybit`liable: oh... i am doing that only
14:46.44FaolchuOr not. I guess I have to install from source.
14:46.46FaolchuLe sigh.
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14:47.26liablestickybit`: you should be able to import your old info through iceweasel i think (instead of moving old files back in)
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14:48.03stickybit`liable: i will try
14:48.16_slacker_hi all, can someone help me? i'm having problems with the sudoers file in etch
14:48.25stew_slacker_: ask a more specific question
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14:48.36stickybit`liable: i just renamed ~/.mozilla and didn't remove it
14:48.42_slacker_this lines doent work form me: mauro   ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/wpa-supplicant /sbin/dhclient /sbin/iwconfig
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14:49.04_slacker_steve, any idea?
14:49.14_slacker_stew, any idea?
14:49.15liablestickybit`: yeah, good. see if you can point iceweasel to it to import your bookmarks etc
14:49.20stew_slacker_: those should be comma separated
14:49.25stew_slacker_: (the commands)
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14:50.48sobersabremount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or src busy
14:50.53sobersabrewhat the hell!!!
14:50.53_slacker_stew, cool!
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14:51.14stickybit`liable: yeah
14:51.21Faolchu"checking for fftw3f >= 3.0... configure: error: you need the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West installed !
14:51.41sobersabreguys I don't understand why the device is busy ?!? lsof doesn't show it
14:51.42jduggan_hi all, is there no mod_authz_host in debian's apache? since i went from sarge to etch ive got an error with Order by in my conf...anyone got any clues on this??
14:52.41stewFaolchu: 'apt-cache search fftw3f' if you are compiling something you are looking for a -dev package
14:52.59Faolchustew: I just found the name amusing.
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14:54.08FaolchuHmm, there's fftw3, but not fftw3f.
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14:55.44berzerkadisabling StrictHostKeyChecking seems not to work for me. i put in /etc/ssh/ssh_config: Host * \ CheckHostIP no \ StrictHostKeyChecking no (\ is newline). i have no user config and also no commandline parameters. but i still get "host key has been added to known_hosts" and upon connect to a different masqueraded host "remote host identification failed". what am i missing?
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14:58.52petemcberzerka: i remember a blog entry from madduck on that subject, let me check...
14:59.13berzerkapetemc: thats nice
14:59.24CharminTheMooseis it possible for me to check what video formats mplayer can play?
14:59.48petemcberzerka: is that supposed to sound patronizing?
15:00.04schmeCharminTheMoose: Doesn't that depend on what codecs you have?
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15:00.21CharminTheMooseschme: does it?
15:00.24berzerkapetemc: it was supposed to mean thats nice [of you]
15:00.54schmeCharminTheMoose: Uh.. yes.
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15:01.12CharminTheMooseschme: joy! :D
15:01.14petemcberzerka: ah, sorry :)
15:01.23berzerkapetemc: no it was not! :)
15:01.25petemchttp://blog.madduck.net/geek/2007.03.23_managing-known-hosts
15:01.26petemc:)
15:02.09schmeCharminTheMoose: the mplayer site has tons of 'em.
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15:03.43Crypticfortuneeek, under the latest libcups update, /usr/lib/cups/backend/http got turned into readable by root only....that doesnt seem right
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15:07.33berzerkapetemc: nice method he shows there, but it is one step further than my actual problem. i seem to be unable to disable system-wide host-checking. well i will try to add it to the user config as he states it.
15:07.43redrainHi, I have a few problems with Iceweasel and want to install firefox. But it complains: /firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:07.55redrainI've installed ia32-libs*
15:07.58dogmeatunder /proc/ i see the process list, how can i view files that are stored there?
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15:08.16liablecat /proc/foofile
15:08.20redrainBut still have same problem. Is there any way to install firefox on a 64 bit Etch
15:08.39sobersabrehow can I find out what is locking my device or directory ( and I cannot mount that dev onto that directory )
15:08.42sobersabre?
15:08.59sobersabreI've tried: kill nfs, kill samba, lsof
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15:10.12debianixhey anyone can tell me how to re create a root account in mysql ?
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15:11.38redraindebianix, It has a root account by default
15:12.11sobersabredebianix: iirc it is created when you run initdb (IIRC)
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15:13.01debianixyeah it had 3 by default ... root@localhost root@my.hostname.com debian-something@localhost
15:13.22debianixbut i've installed phpmyadmin and though i would delete the root@localhost one
15:13.32debianixand i can't seem to gain access to the database again
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15:13.48tnksHi, is there a standard command to check for the existence of a group?  Or is greping /etc/groups pretty much the POSIX way to do it?
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15:14.18sobersabretnks: grep
15:14.44tnkssobersabre: okay... that was my suspicion
15:14.47sobersabreif you want to checkup user's groups, there's program 'groups'
15:15.02yumandaredrain:you can install pkg ia32-libs-gtk
15:15.09debianixany idea ?
15:15.20sobersabreit will give you the correct answer even if not /etc/groups is the main thing here ( nis/ldap/winbindd )
15:15.35redrainyumanda, apt says it can't find ia32-libs-gtk
15:16.04yumandaredrain: it's now a unstable pkg
15:16.32redrainyumanda, Package ia32-libs-gtk is not available, but is referred to by another package. But apt-cache search gives nothing
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15:17.02redrainyumanda, So there is no way to install firefox on a 64 bit stable?
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15:17.42redraindebianix, You should ask to #mysql
15:17.58debianixthey don't seem to be very helpful :P
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15:18.54yumandaredrain:i downloaded it from http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ia32-libs-gtk/ia32-libs-gtk_1.0_amd64.deb
15:19.04redraindebianix, Is it a sensitive server? Do you think reinstalling mysql?
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15:19.29debianixno, it is just my testmachine  ...
15:19.53debianixthere is nothing important on ... i am just trying a couple of things
15:20.07rvsjoenwould it be possible to backup the databases on the filesystem and then reinstalling ?
15:20.13h3sp4wnredrain: ia32-libs-gtk is (was ?) only available in unstable
15:21.43yumandaredrain:why not use 64-bit iceweasel,it seems well in my machine
15:21.43debianixbut reinstalling mysql still leaves the the system with an empty root account for some reason
15:21.43redraindebianix, Ok, I think reinstalling could solve your problem (with purge remove)
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15:21.43rvsjoenthere's a thread here related to deleting the root account, maybe it helps http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/206610
15:21.43debianixahh yeah great idea :)
15:21.43rbanffyHi. What is the current fashion when creating users without shell access? Set the shell to /bin/false? I think I read somewhere there was a "proper" way to do it...
15:21.45h3sp4wnredrain: You could either try a /msg dpkg simple sid backport - or search for the version that was in sid at the time of etch's release (from snapshot.debian.net)
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15:21.45debianixredrain: thx, i completely forgot purge :D
15:21.46redrainyumanda, I'm experiencing problem with Iceweasel. I don't know why, but it resets connection on https sites. And there are a few extensions doesn't work with Iceweasel
15:22.04rvsjoenthe debian-sys-maint account can be used to restore the root account I believe
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15:23.12cheshire314hi guys! my usb hds are not automounted in gnome since yesterday. i tried restarting a few things: udev, dbus, gnome-volume-manager. no success, however. i use sid. any ideas? (manual mounting does the work.)
15:23.27rvsjoenanything in the logs ?
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15:24.06memzyhey.. anyone got a clue beyond WTF?  192.168.0.4 the desktop can ping 192.168.0.3 the laptop.. but not the other way around, communications are one way (and the wrong way for my needs!!)
15:24.06cheshire314rvsjoen: are you talking to me?
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15:24.22rvsjoencheshire314: yes
15:24.30cydorkcheshire314: checked bts for gnome-volume-manager?
15:24.49redrainyumanda, h3sp4wn, Thank you, installing ia32libs-gtk solved firefox's complains. It starts now but can't connect to net
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15:25.21cheshire314rvsjoen: i think nothing relevant in syslog (sorry... what's bts?)
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15:25.50cheshire314cydork: i think nothing relevant in syslog (sorry... what's bts?)
15:25.54h3sp4wn!btssmite cheshire314
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15:26.46debianixreboot :D
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15:27.09_slacker_someone know or use kwlan in etch? kwlan says "unable to release IP address", any idea?
15:28.17cheshire314sorry guys... i am such a script-kiddie... :-( i'll have a look at bts
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15:28.51cheshire314(try understand me, i run sid since a few days)
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15:29.36fredericogboa
15:29.39_slacker_nobody uses kwlan? :s
15:29.46stewcheshire314: what does "uname -r" say?
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15:30.07stew_slacker_: popcon.debian.org should be able to tell you if anyone uses it
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15:31.23cheshire314stew: 2.6.20-1-686
15:32.18_slacker_stew, i mean, here, right now...
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15:33.06ma3xwtf? E: Package wine has no installation candidate
15:33.07ma3xhow come?
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15:33.29spheardwhat do I use to extract .bz2's on cli?
15:33.38stewma3x: put the output of 'apt-cache policy' into a pastebin
15:33.44rbanffyspheard: bunzip2
15:33.52spheardbingo
15:33.53spheardthanks
15:34.05stewspheard: is it a .tar.bz2?
15:34.14spheardstew, yes
15:34.22stewspheard: /msg dpkg tar
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15:34.33rbanffyspheard: tar jxvf something.tar.bz2
15:34.53ma3xstew, http://pastebin.ca/489470
15:35.10spheardrbanffy: :-)
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15:36.03stewma3x: does 'aptitude update' return an error? becuase http://debian.ens-cachan.fr/dists/etch is 404
15:36.03cheshire314i'm afraid i can't find anything in bts
15:36.10ma3xstew, error-free
15:36.31stewma3x: what/
15:36.33yoplahello,
15:36.35stewma3x: oh
15:36.36ma3xstew, http://pastebin.ca/489474
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15:37.27ma3xstew, bad mirror?
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15:37.43stewma3x: oh, wait, you are on amd64 aren't you?
15:37.48ma3xstew, yes!!!
15:38.04stewma3x: we covered this already, haven't we?  wine doesnt' exist for amd64
15:38.10stew(in etch)
15:38.12ma3xgod damn!!!
15:38.24ma3xwe didn't cover it for wine, but I get the idea
15:38.30yopla[ETCH] I try to use lilo with a xen-amd64 image but lilo -v says : Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz-xen is too big
15:38.36ma3xwhen something won't work, check that your system is 64bit
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15:42.48stewma3x: sorry, it was someone else i was thinking of then
15:42.53yetifooti was wondering, if mp3 is a non-free format, and other distros don't allow it in their repos, how come debian packages in main like amarok can play them?
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15:43.30stewyetifoot: becuase the patent holders have been very clear that they are only interesting in protecting their patent for encoders, not decoders, which is why debian does not ship lame or liblame
15:43.43yetifootah, ok, i see
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15:45.13yopladebian-multimedia.org is a good source for non-GNU progs
15:45.15ustunozgurbut why don't some other distros include decoding then?
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15:45.29CVirusWhat processor type shall I choose during configuring the kernel for an intel core duo ?
15:45.42yetifootyeah, i wonder that, why other distros make people jump through hoops just to play mp3
15:45.56TrewasI don't think they have explicitly said that they won't enforce patents for decoders, but debian does not have any money the patents holders could sue for... commercial distros have to be more careful
15:45.56stewyopla: debian.org is a good source for non-GNU programs as well
15:46.09stewustunozgur: ask the other distros
15:46.32ustunozgurTrewas, probably. They could sue Novell or Canonical.
15:46.44stewTrewas: that is not the case.  debian does have money that the patent holders could sue for. and it is definately the patent issues that keep lame out of debian
15:46.58stewustunozgur: they could sue SPI, the holding company for debian's funds
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15:47.48CharminTheMoose"trying to force video codec driver family vfwex... Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)" I get this when I try to play a .mkv file and it plays for about 10 seconds and then exits gracefully, without an error message from the console,even though gmplayer says it's 2 mins 32 seconds long...
15:47.53Trewaswell, that money is peanuts :) and really I think it's unlikely they would sue for distributing open source decoders, it is good for them  if more people can play the formats and they can get license money from hardware players and encoders
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15:48.41yoplastew,Yes you're right
15:49.03kth``CVirus, I'd go with Pentium-M
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15:49.52CViruskth``: Thanks
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15:49.53ustunozgurAFAIK, the main reason they are not interested in decoders is that they are generic. The encoder companies basically do this: They get the patent. They wait for it to be popular. Time passes. Then they sue others. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6388273.stm
15:49.53yoplait wasn't what i've really meant
15:50.11h3sp4wnCVirus: I would go for - "Intel Core2 / newer Xeon" presuming you use the amd64 port
15:50.12ustunozgurI have read that Alcatel-Lucent is satisfied with that money and won't sue others anymore :D
15:50.35yetifooti don't think mp3s even patented here
15:50.41CVirush3sp4wn: it's not an amd64
15:51.01h3sp4wnCVirus: ?
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15:51.23kth``h3sp4wn, it's not a core2
15:51.34CVirusyeah .. it's not
15:52.03h3sp4wnAh, misread
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15:54.08ma3xstew, installed xmms in 32bit chroot, xmms running like a butterfly
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15:54.15ma3xonly if a butterfly could run, heh
15:54.23Nylebutterflies don'trun
15:54.26Nylema3x_sucks.mp3
15:54.29Nylei mean..
15:54.30Nyleahem
15:54.39ma3xstoned stfu
15:54.47Nylehey!
15:54.48Nylebe nice
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15:55.27ma3xI am nice, your music's terrible!
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15:55.41Nylethanks
15:55.52rahulstoned.
15:56.00rahulI went to the hottest chicks in metal show
15:56.07Nylerahul: ot
15:56.10Nylemsg me
15:56.12rahuland took the hottest chick in nyc metal :)
15:56.23rahuleh, I said what I needed to say ;)
15:56.30rahulthe rest is visual :D
15:56.43ustunozgurrahul: are you a bot :) everytime I see you, you start with the same sentence.
15:56.57Nylethats all he does
15:57.01Nyledrink and go to metal shows
15:57.07rahulheh
15:57.07Nylethere is more to life though
15:57.17rahulsure, like the chicks I went to the show with
15:57.26stewrahul: Nyle: take it elsewhere
15:57.34Nylewhy are you telling me
15:57.38NyleI told him it was ot and msg me
15:57.40Nylewtf
15:57.47stewNyle: and then you continued the conversation
15:57.49Nylewhat more do you want from me?
15:58.01rahulI said I was done and someone else started asking me questions about it, heh
15:58.13Nylerahul: then kindly stop going off with this shit in #debian
15:58.15Nylethank you
15:58.41ma3xustunozgur, haha these guys are terrible
15:58.51stewma3x: drop it
15:59.11ma3xstew, drop what?
15:59.31stewma3x: is "these guys are terrible" somehow related to debian?
16:00.09ma3xstew, ok
16:00.59NyleI'm on the verge of using /ignore extensively
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16:01.17NyleI'm stuck on windows again
16:01.21Nylebut thank god for xming
16:01.39rahulwhat ever happened to debian/win32?
16:01.47rahulthat seemed like a really cool idea
16:01.48Nylewhat do you mean?
16:02.02Nylewhat idea?
16:02.05rahuldebian on win32, duh :)
16:02.16Nyleyes, duh! but how?
16:02.16rahulusing cygwin as a "kernel"
16:02.19Nylevirtual machine?
16:02.19azeemrahul: the people who tried weren't that accepted in the community and never gotten anywhere
16:02.29Nylecolinux isn't bad
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16:02.34Nyleits actually quite good
16:02.45rahulvirtual machines are not what I want
16:02.54rahulI want actual unix commands inside of windows
16:02.57Nylecolinux isn't virtualization
16:03.22Nyle!colinux
16:03.22dpkgcolinux is probably http://colinux.org/.  Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ...
16:03.41xinguever have one of those days where you sit down to write an application-level replication tool and wind up opening can after can of worms?
16:03.45rahulapps running colinux have access to the files and services on the windows side?
16:03.55Nyleno
16:04.07NyleI don't think so, but its not hard to make it that way
16:04.15rahulxingu: you mean you're trying to do distributed programming?
16:04.17Nylewell, not full access
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16:04.38rahulNyle: right, I want cygwin with a full repo of debian apps available
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16:04.44xingurahul: nothing that tricky, just an N-way replicator to make sure that each node is presenting the same config
16:04.54xingurahul: and same dataset
16:04.54rahulthe "same" huh
16:05.01Nylerahul: keep waiting or make it happen
16:05.18rahulNyle: well, I don't know who was working on it or what the actual issues were
16:05.26Nyleyou could find out
16:05.42azeemthe issue was that it was based on a proprietary kernel
16:05.47rahulsince the people seemed to be shunned from debian, that's not so easy
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16:05.57azeemand the rest of the Debian Developers didn't approve of this
16:05.58rahulazeem: cygwin.dll?
16:05.58stewthere is http://lists.debian.org/debian-win32/ but it is a dead list
16:06.13azeemrahul: you run cygwin.dll from grub?
16:06.24kth``grep -c "Invalid\|BREAK-IN" /var/log/auth.log
16:06.24kth``58 <- sshd running for less than 18 hours, dynamic ip, and I thought I was safe enough :(
16:06.30gejrwhat's wrong with using this command? "unrar x *.rar" ? I get failed. Do I have to create some kind of bash loop just to unwrap more than 1 rar file?
16:06.36rahuldebian/win32 wouldn't need to install anything proprietary...
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16:06.56rahuldebian/linux runs on proprietary cpus. I don't get the difference.
16:06.58azeemrahul: did I write "install"?
16:07.02Nyleunrar e
16:07.03Nylenot x
16:07.04azeemI think I wrote "based on"
16:07.05jduggan_gejr: try unrar e *.rar
16:07.05Nylerar x or unrar e
16:07.15azeemrahul: then think harder
16:07.15azeem*shrug*
16:07.18Nyleread the manpages
16:07.19Nyleffs
16:07.20gejrjduggan_: same error
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16:07.40gejrNyle: rar e or rar x is pretty much the same.
16:07.51Nylewhile you were mixing the two
16:08.00rahulsigh. frigging ideologues.
16:08.00Nyleunrar x? I was trying to clarify
16:08.07gejrwell..i use unrar x
16:08.16Nyleobviously you know more than wo do thats why you're asking for help here.
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16:08.44gejrNo. I'm not saying I know much. But since you say "read manpages ffs" i get frustrated.
16:08.57rahul... because you don't know how to read?
16:08.57azeemgejr: did you try rar x?
16:09.04haxalitywell, truthfully, gejr, that is why they exist
16:09.07azeemrahul: stop being personal, please
16:09.08Nyleazeem: he is trying to unrar *.rar
16:09.12gejrrahul: I've read the manpages.
16:09.13Nylewhich I don't think is possible without a script
16:09.20azeemNyle: so tell him that?
16:09.21gejrazeem: no haven't tried rar
16:09.22rahulgejr: it SAYS in the man page why you're doing this wrong
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16:09.27rahulgejr: RIGHT at the top
16:09.33Nylegejr: I would, but he is arguing about the
16:09.36Nyleer..
16:09.38Nyleazeem: ^^
16:09.41Nylewrong thing
16:09.52azeem18:06 < Nyle> unrar e
16:09.52azeem18:06 < Nyle> not x
16:09.57azeemso unrar e *.rar works?
16:10.07Nyle*.rar I don't think
16:10.13azeemNyle: so d'oh?
16:10.17gejrrahul: in that case i can't see it. And there's no command "rar" on my system
16:10.20gejronly "unrar"
16:10.22azeemyou gave him ill advise and then said "RTFM"
16:10.22Nyleazeem: you're confusing me
16:10.27rahulgejr: wtf are you blathering about?
16:10.35rahulgejr: read the man page for the command you ARE using
16:11.02rahulstop trying to learn about things you aren't doing and learn about what you are using
16:11.05Nyleazeem: he is using unrar with the x switch which is wrong.  I said either use unrar e or rar x to extract.  how is this ill advise.
16:11.05mothfor f in *.rar; do unrar e "$f"; done      #this should work if you want to unrar a bunch of archives
16:11.07gejrrahul: I am currently reading "man unrar" and I can't see anything about how to open more than one rar file in one command.
16:11.19rahulgejr: so what does that indicate to you?
16:11.29azeemgejr: 18:08 < Nyle> which I don't think is possible without a script
16:11.37rahulgejr: it's explicit in the synopsis.
16:11.44Nylein context to opening *.rar not how to unrar
16:11.59gejrwell.. ok that's what i needed to know
16:11.59azeemwhich is the main point here
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16:12.23Nylethe point is firstly this
16:12.33Nyleno matter what he is trying to extract, he will not get it done with unrar x
16:12.34azeemgejr: how many .rar files are there?
16:12.40rahulgejr: right, and it would have been clear if you had read the man page... so don't get frustrated just because you're asking an obvious question
16:12.40jharrisonwksuck
16:14.14gejrazeem: there's only 10 rar files in this case.
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16:14.22rahulhow good are the motorola phone tools equivalents in debian?
16:14.31azeemgejr: so make a simple bash loop, as you initially suggested
16:14.41Eclipserwhat motorola phone tools equivalents?
16:15.03rahulare the only issues with locked phones preventing multimedia transfers? mine is unlocked so I should be able to get my pics off the phone if I buy one of those cables, right?
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16:15.20Nyleazeem: which is also what I told him.  I told him to use the proper command for extracting, then said you can't do it without a script (multiple files). How I'm giving ill advise, I'll never understand.
16:15.22rahulEclipser: whatever lets you xfer data with the phone
16:15.24gejrazeem:  well..could you help me correct this then? for i in *.rar; do unrar $f*.rar ; done;
16:15.29gejrazeem: it doesn't work :)
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16:15.33rahulgejr: $f*?
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16:15.39h3sp4wngejr: find -name '*.rar' -exec unrar e {} +
16:15.54xinguwho wants to be that it's actually a multipart rar
16:16.11Nylefor a multipart rar you need only extract the first rar
16:16.15Nyleit will take care of the rest
16:16.29gejrdidn't work h3sp4wn :)
16:16.39moth"for i in *.rar; do unrar $f*.rar ; done;" is broken two ways -- i is not f and i is not f*
16:16.52gejrit just tries the last rar file and says "No files to extract"
16:16.54rahuland not .rar.rar either
16:16.57mothAlso, if any file names have spaces in them, you need quotes around their variables
16:17.08mothTry, instead: for i in *.rar; do unrar $i.rar ; done;
16:17.21gejrmoth: ye..i tried that:)
16:17.21mothOr:  for i in *.rar; do unrar "$i.rar" ; done
16:17.25gejrmoth: spelling error
16:17.25aadil$i
16:17.29rahulheh
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16:17.39mothoops, and another problem -- no unrar command, so that makes it:
16:17.40gejrmoth: but wouldn't $i.rar just try 1.rar, 2.rar etc ?
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16:17.46moth<PROTECTED>
16:18.22rahulgejr: if $i is 1.rar, what is $i.rar?
16:18.25abrotman1.rar.rar
16:18.31rahulbah
16:18.34rahul!penixstrike abrotman
16:18.34dpkgA towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
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16:18.35mothIf you have archives named 1.rar, 2.rar, etc. sure -- it's going to use whatever file names match the orignal pattern:  *.rar
16:18.46mothoops, you are right
16:18.51abrotmanrahul: you could use awk to cut it up i suppose :)
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16:18.53xingur.rar.me.r.ties
16:18.55gejrwhoo
16:18.55xingutlapd?
16:18.55rahulabrotman: haha
16:19.06xinguabrotman: basename
16:19.10gejrfor i in *.rar; do unrar e $i; done; worked! :)
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16:19.16abrotmanxingu: or that
16:19.17rahulabrotman: this reminds me of people asking for help with scheme homework and people using the Y combinator in their solutions
16:19.21gejrturns out $i was the whole filename
16:19.27xinguwell fancy
16:19.27rahulhow surprising
16:19.44rahulif you ask for *.rar, it gives you each .rar file.
16:19.45abrotmanrahul: can't they just rob a bank like all the other schemers ?
16:19.51rahulheh
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16:20.07abrotmanmmm .. last day off
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16:20.16gejrSorry for having insulted you all with my newbie questions. And thanks to those who helped me.
16:20.51Nyleyou can't expect to get a good answer if you don't ask the right questions ;)
16:21.25gejrYou're absolutely correct about that one. But haven't you ever been at the point where the thing you're about to do is so hard to explain that you kinda need help to express it?
16:21.37Nylegejr: yes I have
16:21.39Nylemany times
16:21.42gejrTo you this might've seem trivial, but to me it was complicated.
16:21.50NyleI completely understand
16:21.59gejrI really don't want to sound like an ass here. I honestly appreciate the help I've been given.
16:22.02rahulwell, if you read the man page, you'd know that you could only do one, so you could ask how to loop to get each one in turn
16:22.24NyleI merely just read the man page, I think the 'ffs' might have ticked you off
16:22.33rahul"archive" is not "archives..."
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16:22.41gejrNyle: indeed.. :)
16:22.45vdvhi all
16:22.55Nylebut immagine the frustrations of volunteer helpers.  We contribute our time and help those who can't bother to read.. it kinda makes us mad sometimes
16:22.58Nyleyou know
16:23.05Nyleanyway.... ding dong!
16:23.17vdvwhat's the best nntp client for linux?
16:23.24Nylehmm
16:23.25rahulvdv: gnus
16:23.29abrotmanhe could have used xargs too
16:23.31Nyleiceape?
16:23.31vdvnow using knode, but have to make hack to work with ssl'ed newsgroups
16:23.32cahootvdv: slrn of course
16:23.33Nyleis that the one
16:23.42rahulassgrape
16:23.45gejrisn't Pan a popular nntp client?
16:23.51aadilu n00bs
16:23.52vdvi want a graphical one
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16:23.58Nyle!iceape
16:23.58dpkgiceape is probably The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird.
16:24.00rahulgnus is graphical
16:24.01aadildamn
16:24.04aadilwrong window
16:24.05aadil:)
16:24.11rahulpan is buggy as hell, last I used it
16:24.13cahoottext is graphics
16:24.15Nyleokkkay
16:24.15aadilsowwy
16:24.24lord_robHi ! Do I need to install a specific package to enable http printing with cups ?
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16:24.36rahultext you can click on and images on the screen is gui to me
16:24.37Nylecupsys and cupsys-bsd
16:24.40flowerleafThe Debian Web site is in Swedish for me, and even when I have selected English, the next link I follow shows a page in Swedish again... Very, very annoying... just like Google.com and PHP.net.
16:24.46DDubyahow do I test a certain email address against spamassassin?
16:24.54rahulflowerleaf: your browser is configured to prefer sweedish
16:25.17DDubyaI should say.. How do I test spamassassin against a certain DOMAIN
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16:25.25rahulforge a mail from it?
16:25.32stewflowerleaf: what does "echo $LANG" say?
16:25.36DDubya<thats what i need help with>
16:25.39DDubya=)
16:25.51rahuljust put whatever you want in the from header
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16:26.12DDubyaif its coming from internal, will it be processed accordingly?
16:26.15Nyleidiocracy
16:26.15wolsflowerleaf: what browser? ffox has a setting wich language you prefer
16:26.28rahulDDubya: should be
16:26.31Nylemy preffered language is utf8
16:26.32Nyle:D
16:26.42Nyleit is not an encoding
16:26.46Nyleit is a language. period.
16:26.59rahula language no one speaks correctly :P
16:27.03Nylehehe
16:27.07DDubyarahul: Thanks!
16:27.43lord_robNyle: I mean printing to a router that supports http printing (I don't have the option anymore when I configure my printer in cups web interface :/)
16:28.01flowerleafIndeed my browser was sending Swedish preference headers. Hrm.
16:28.16flowerleafWould it be easy for a FreeBSD user to switch to Debian?
16:28.17xingub0rkb0rkb0rken
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16:28.29Nylehuh
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16:28.53lord_robflowerleaf: debian has a bsd port
16:29.07Nylewait
16:29.08Nylewhat?
16:29.10flowerleafA what?
16:29.14Nylethat doesn't make any sense
16:29.18Nylebsd is not hardware
16:29.24Nyledebian is linux
16:29.34abrotman!debian bsd
16:29.34dpkgi heard debian bsd is a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd
16:29.37runevDoes anyone have any creative ideas to why sound is working perfect on my laptop, but only through the built-in speakers, since when i plug in a headphone-jack, music still keeps playing through the speakers and not my headphones. Sort of stuck at this one :)
16:29.44flowerleafReally strange.
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16:29.51schmedebian is linux!?
16:29.52Nyleoh thats a different story
16:29.57Nyledebian is
16:30.01Nyleunless you use gnu/hurd
16:30.02schmeDebian GNU/Linux, sure.
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16:30.11_slacker_someone know a cool tool to manage wireless auth with WPA?
16:30.16abrotmanschme: not really .. debian can run on linux/bsd/hurd kernels .. maybe a few others
16:30.22mothDamaged jack in your laptop?
16:30.24schmeabrotman: That is what I am saying.
16:30.29runev_slacker_: iwconfig
16:30.34kth``runev, you have HP's dv***** laptop with hd-audio by chance?
16:30.40schmeabrotman: You are confusing me with someone who thinks Debian is linux.
16:30.45runevkth``: dv2222ea, yeah.
16:30.53_slacker_runev, a GUI one?
16:30.57flowerleafDo Debian "packages"/"ports" come "clean"? The FreeBSD port of Apache 2.2 is full with strange modules and SSL and crap by default.
16:31.01abrotmanschme: why would you think that? :)
16:31.15kth``runev, I've had that with stable alsa, try getting newer alsa drivers
16:31.25abrotmanflowerleaf: it has some modules included .. others are separated out
16:31.37stewflowerleaf: "clean" doesn't really make sense for debian packages.  you can remove the package, or purge the package, remving leaves configuration behind, purge does not
16:31.37kth``runev, might work, this is a dv6160ea I've been tickling with
16:31.40flowerleafabrotman: Why must all these "packages" come bloated? :/
16:31.43runev_slacker_: try something like swscanner, kwifi-manager
16:31.44xinguwhat this script needs is beer
16:31.48schmeabrotman: because you said "not really.. yadda yadda".
16:31.50stewflowerleaf: which package is bloated?
16:31.59abrotmanschme: note the smiley :)
16:31.59xinguit won't make the snafu's go away, but it'll makes me stress a whole lot less about fixing them
16:32.04flowerleafstew: Many FreeBSD ports, at least. Can't really speak for Debian.
16:32.05Nylesnarf
16:32.06runevkth``: i'll give it a shot :)
16:32.16flowerleafLast time I tested Debian it has no package/port for PHP 5.
16:32.21flowerleafs/has/had/
16:32.28abrotmanflowerleaf: they're commonly used modules .. i guess it's for simplicity .. but they aren't loaded unless you intentionally load them
16:32.36stewflowerleaf: freebsd ports are off-topic here.  debian now contains php5
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16:32.45schmeflowerleaf: the linux debian has a php5 package.
16:32.46flowerleafWell... isn't that pretty... late?
16:32.53xingucomplaining about bloat, complaining about lack of php5, make up your mind
16:33.03schmestew: We were talking debian kfreebsd :)
16:33.04azeem[2006-01-18] Accepted 5.1.2-1 in unstable (low)
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16:33.22azeemflowerleaf: 2006-01-18 is over a year ago
16:33.22flowerleafPHP 5 is stable and has been for a long time.
16:33.27flowerleafHmm.
16:33.36stewschme: php5 is in debian kfreebsd as well, afaik
16:33.43schmestew: Excellent.
16:33.57flowerleafWell... I'll have to think this through.
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16:33.59abrotmanflowerleaf: at the time when sarge was released .. even the PHP folks weren't recommending PHP5 for production
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16:34.13schmeflowerleaf: Just because something becomes stable it is not put into the stable distribution of debian. Stable debian is called stable because of the fact that it does not change.
16:34.46schmeabrotman: Huh?
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16:34.53abrotmanschme: he quit :)
16:34.55xinguhmm, these fontconfig hints make a surprising difference
16:34.55schmeOh.
16:35.03schmeabrotman: Thanks for the pie. It was awesome.
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16:38.04stewabrotman: i'll go for a long run later, can't bike today, did 29 miles in the paceline yesterday
16:38.12abrotmanah .. gotcha
16:38.33abrotmani'm supposed to meet a co-worker around 4pm or so .. and then i might meet someone else for a second ride :)
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16:39.18stewabrotman: looks like a lighthouse knuckleballer night
16:39.18Pollywoganyone know why checkinstall still does not work in Etch?
16:39.27Nyle*: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS CLIENTCRAP | **: ALL -pattern abrotman | abrotman: ALL | *:ACTIONS -regexp -pattern (playing|away|back|returned|jamming|mp3) <-- this is my ignore list
16:39.32Nylekeeps a very very clean irssi for me
16:39.36stewPollywog: it was removed from etch, i'm not sure why, possibly becuase of RC bugs
16:39.41Nyleignore actions and joins parts quits etc
16:39.41Pollywogoic
16:39.48Nylemp3 ads away back return blah blah
16:39.57Pollywogstew: ty
16:40.04Pollywogis there an alternative?
16:40.09stewPollywog: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
16:40.18Pollywogthanks
16:40.22abrotmanstew: sounds like a good time for you!
16:40.30Nyleschme: which irc client do you use?
16:40.36schmeNyle: I use ERC.
16:40.41Nylenever heard of it
16:40.51abrotmanPollywog: stow
16:41.03Nylean IRC client for Emacs and XEmacs
16:41.04Nyleahh
16:41.13schmeThat would be the one, yes.
16:41.19Pollywogstow is a package name?
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16:41.37wolsPollywog: a command too
16:41.46Pollywogoic I did not know that one
16:41.50abrotman!stow
16:41.50dpkgit has been said that stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow  Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove.
16:41.52schmeI was using irssi in the before time... Then leaving elisp world started getting annoying and confusing :)
16:42.03NyleI love irssi
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16:42.17Nyleand if i may say so.. to some extent, even mirc
16:42.22schmeOh it is a great client, for sure. It is just not elisp.
16:42.23Nyleyeh yes, i know.. but mirc is solid
16:42.25wolsschme: emacs damaged your brain :P
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16:42.35AndyCRhi
16:42.35schmewols: YeS
16:42.39Nylewols: brainwashed
16:42.40Nyle:)
16:42.46Pollywogoh wait I think I used stow before I started using checkinstall, long ago
16:42.48wolsNyle: irssi has a downside. it uses prel for scripting
16:42.55rahulmirc is solid crap
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16:42.57Nylewhats wrong with perl?
16:42.59schmeIt took some work to get hooked.. but now I'm proper hooked.
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16:43.06rahulhaha
16:43.09Nyleperl is da bomb diggity
16:43.10rahulwhat isn't wrong with perl?
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16:43.21rahul(there are about 5 valid answers to that question)
16:43.23wolsrahul: it's not php. that a BIG plus
16:43.26rahulheh
16:43.31OctopssyHow would installing vista as dual boot on my system best go?
16:43.35OctopssyJust making new fs
16:43.39Octopssyadding to grub loader
16:43.40abrotmanwould any smart person use mirc? :)
16:43.42Octopssyetc??
16:43.43azeemOctopssy: install vista first
16:43.44rahulyes, that just about sums up all 5 things that are right about perl
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16:43.58Octopssyazeem: I already got a steady configged install of debian
16:43.58Nyleclose minded freaks
16:44.00rahulabrotman: I use it on windows out of laziness
16:44.05wolsOctopssy: yes. chainlaoding. but usually WIndows tends to overwrite the MBR
16:44.12azeemOctopssy: then get prepared to reinstall grub afterwards
16:44.13AndyCRim using ubuntu (don't worry, this isn't an ubuntu support request) and apparently they have some kind of lump package, of which ipw3945d is a part. there seems to be a bug with either it or the free software side of the driver (which I think they lump into the kernel itself) which makes it disconnect often. if i switched to debian, would there be a chance it would be fixed?
16:44.23Octopssyok
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16:44.37rahulAndyCR: sure, there's a chance.
16:44.38abrotmanrahul: win32 xchat ?
16:44.38azeemAndyCR: what do you mean with lump package?
16:44.39wolsAndyCR: there always is a chance
16:44.41Octopssyso what should i only do, download a new grub version?
16:44.42mothMore things will be not wrong with perl with perl6.  Unfortunately, I doubt that happens this decade.
16:44.47Octopssyburn it
16:44.50Octopssyand install vista
16:44.50rahulabrotman: xchat isn't much better, from when I've used it at work
16:44.57AndyCRazeem: it seems they just throw the driver in with a bunch of other binary drivers
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16:45.02AndyCRi could be wrong
16:45.04azeemAndyCR: I see
16:45.05wolsOctopssy: no need to get anything new. if you install vista after grub, you n eed to reinsall grub tho
16:45.07Nylei should download vista and give it a shot
16:45.08rahulmoth: and more things will be wrong with perl in perl6, too
16:45.09abrotmanrahul: it's OT here too!
16:45.11AndyCRbut there doesn't seem to be a ipw3945d package
16:45.12rahulmoth: so eh.
16:45.14Nylebut lots of my friends have told me its worse than ME
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16:45.20AndyCRit seems to only exist in linux-restricted-modules
16:45.21mothOh?
16:45.21Nyleand I've used ME and god it was a pain
16:45.26rahulabrotman: well, I used it on linux, so there
16:45.34wolsNyle: it is win ME II
16:45.35azeemAndyCR: well, no idea whether that bug would be gone or not
16:45.47Nylebut yeh, install it first and then debian
16:45.57AndyCRwell, at the very least i guess i would get better support
16:45.57Nylein fact there are a lot of good articles and tutorials on google if you search
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16:46.03Nylefor dualbooting vista and linux/debian
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16:46.13AndyCRno offense to them, but i never seem to get my questions answered as well as i do here
16:46.36Octopssywols: I will. But I mean: Do I need to burn a new version of grub?
16:46.37AndyCRthats worth switching alone, imo
16:46.38rahulipw3945d - Binary userspace regulatory daemon for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG cards
16:46.38abrotmanrahul: i meant win32 IRC clients is OT :)
16:46.47wolsOctopssy: no
16:46.48Nylewell, ubuntu is a noob distro and #ubuntu is full of noobs and hardly any pros.
16:46.49rahulwhat are you talking about, there's no pakcages?
16:46.50AndyCRrahul: yep, that's the one
16:46.53rahulipw3945-source - Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver
16:46.55AndyCRNyle: yeah, that
16:47.00AndyCR*'s what I've found out /
16:47.04Nyleits not bad about ubuntu, just the general population that uses it
16:47.08AndyCRyeah
16:47.13Octopssyw
16:47.14Nyledebian is like a power users distro, if you will
16:47.15rahulabrotman: I could have been running mirc in wine :P
16:47.17Octopssywols: what u mean no ?
16:47.27abrotmanrahul: still OT?
16:47.30wolsCatoptromancy: why woukld you need to burn grub?
16:47.41rahuldebian is a general purpose distro
16:47.53rahulit's not really targeted to power users at all
16:47.54AndyCRwhats tragic is i might have to switch back to vista for a few hours to get a successful download of debian :/
16:48.01schmeDebian - not just for professionals.
16:48.04AndyCRconsidering the disconnects
16:48.10rahulif it were, it wouldn't do half the stuff it does
16:48.16Nyleyeh
16:48.20Nylesplit all the cunt hairs you want
16:48.29Nylepoint being, #debian is much better support than #ubuntu
16:48.33AndyCRyeah
16:48.33mothI have a friend who uses debian on a system he administers remotely (he travels a lot), and he's seriously considering dropping it because installing stable keeps burning him (over the last however many years)
16:48.34AndyCRfar better
16:48.37rahulshe's not here. can't split her cunt hairs.
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16:48.46schmeI'd say you could use any distro for whatever you want.
16:48.50wolsmoth: burning him?
16:48.52AndyCRi go in there, ask a question, and there is about a 1% chance ill get it answered
16:48.56AndyCR:/
16:48.58Nylehah, burn grub?
16:48.59AndyCRno offense to them but
16:49.01Nylethats a first for me
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16:49.09AndyCRthe forums are better but
16:49.10mothfor example, his nntp software gets broken
16:49.11AndyCRok thanks
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16:49.17AndyCRill try that i think
16:49.20wolsNyle: you could burn it on a bootable CD (the grub floppy)
16:49.22AndyCRhow many of the debian cds do i need?
16:49.27AndyCRto get a gnome system working?
16:49.28mothI can look up more specifics if it matters...
16:49.32azeemAndyCR: the first
16:49.33wolshwo has floppis in this day and age anyways
16:49.34rahulAndyCR: anywhere from 0 to 25
16:49.35NyleAndyCR: #1
16:49.38AndyCRah thanks
16:49.49Nylewols: well yeah
16:49.53wolsAndyCR: only the first. netinstall preferably (150MB)
16:50.05Nylewols: but i meant like no one in my presense has ever asked me that
16:50.15Nyle-me
16:50.20kth``Why does Xen recommend libc6-xen library when installing the hypervisor with "...selected instead when running under Xen." in description? Isn't it supposed to be installed on the DomU's? Or the hypervisor needs that too?
16:50.29AndyCRwols: i doubt i can do netinstall, my interface requires a binary blob :/
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16:50.41wolsAndyCR: sucks to be you :(
16:50.56AndyCRor i could drag the 8 pound machine downstairs and try to find a table close enough to the router
16:51.00azeemkth``: it's an optimization I think
16:51.00AndyCReither way its unpleasant :/
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16:51.20amphiAndyCR: yeah, ~4kg is really jeavy
16:51.24azeemAndyCR: you'll need to download stuff from non-free for ipw3945
16:51.24AndyCRyeah
16:51.24amphi*heavy
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16:51.37azeemAndyCR: which is not on the CDs, so you won't be able to WLAn straight away
16:51.43AndyCRits basically an 8 pound lunch tray that runs linux :P
16:52.01AndyCRsize wise
16:52.04AndyCRah
16:52.14AndyCRis there a chance of "injecting it" from a usb key?
16:52.34AndyCRie download the debs to usb key, use the cd, install them while its running and use it that way?
16:52.40wolsAndyCR: yes.
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16:53.00AndyCRah, any idea how i would do that? just install the normal way and it will know what to do?
16:53.04wolsAndyCR: download wireless-tools, the drivers and the firmware
16:53.06abrotmanAndyCR: you know .. some people would really be excited if their lunch tray ran linux
16:53.19wolsthen install debian normally (base install only)
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16:53.49AndyCRabrotman: yeah, that would be nice. just don't put microsoft's clippy on it. "I see you are trying to eat an orange. Would you like me to: Give you advice on how to peel it. Show you prices on good knives. Go away?"
16:53.52wolsafter that mount the usb stick and install stuff frm it via dpkg -i
16:54.14wolsyou can't use netinstall since you need gcc it seems :(
16:54.21AndyCRah
16:54.36wolsif ipw3945 is only available as source
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16:54.58rahulit's precompiled for the stock kernels of course
16:55.18wolsok, then you have a chnwce with netinstall
16:55.24abrotmanit is ?
16:55.29rahulexcept that it needs non-free kernels
16:55.33rahulerm firmware
16:55.38AndyCRah
16:55.40rahul2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch1(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
16:55.43AndyCRby the way
16:55.43wolsthat he needs any ways
16:55.48rahultherefire, it's in contrib
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16:55.55AndyCRah thanks!
16:55.56abrotmanoh .. so he can just get the ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-486 .. etc .. and then the firmware
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16:56.03rahulyes
16:56.12rahulipw3945d - Binary userspace regulatory daemon for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG cards
16:56.14abrotmanthought it was still source
16:56.15tech13my ssh takes a ~15 seconds to connect to a machine on the same lan, but only 3 seconds to connect to a machine over the internet.  the client is on debian 3.1.  the "slow" server is debian 4.0. the 'fast' server is debian 3.1
16:56.18AndyCRany chance ill have a better chance of getting suspend to work? it wouldnt work right on ubuntu, whether i used the default, or s2ram
16:56.20rahuldunno if you need that one to set it up
16:56.22ajehello. where do i find the ftpboot.img for the latest debian version for SGI/mips?
16:56.27abrotmantech13: RDNS possible ?
16:56.29abrotmanpossibly
16:56.30ajei can't find it on the ftp server.
16:56.35rahulAndyCR: chances are it won't work on any distro
16:56.36bohsainis there any applications similar to yahoo widgets or google desktop?
16:56.45abrotmanbohsain: gdesklets
16:56.46rahulAndyCR: since it's something that your drivers need to do, not the distro
16:56.52AndyCRah, darn
16:56.56abrotmanbohsain: and for google desktop .. beagle
16:57.10AndyCRi think s2disk can be done in software though, that might work
16:57.13wolsbohsain: superkaramba, gdesklets
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16:57.24AndyCRsaving ram to disk then shutting down shouldnt be driver-dependant i dont think
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16:57.31tech13abrotman, how do I disable RDNS? (no need for reverse lookup for 192.168.x.x)
16:57.39wolsAndyCR: there are two ways for this
16:57.40xbaezhello what is the better source repository for debian
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16:57.45bohsainabrotman, wols thanx
16:57.50wolssuspend2 and that other userspace only thing with the crappy name
16:57.58ajeanyone?
16:58.03wolsusw-balh
16:58.18AndyCRah
16:58.35AndyCRsuspend to disk is fine, as long as i dont have to shutdown every time i want to save battery power im happy :)
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16:58.46azeemaje: you could ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org maybe
16:58.52wolssuspend2 needs a kernel patch. so not for you
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16:59.00Pollywogno available versions of package libc6-dev can satisfy version requirements
16:59.02abrotmantech13: man sshd_config .. look for UseDNS .. i think
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16:59.34PollywogI can't use sid sources to build checkinstall on Etch because:
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16:59.49Pollywogno available versions of package libc6-dev can satisfy version requirements
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17:00.12Pollywogupgrading libc6 is always risky
17:00.16nite613_Anyone know the name of a package that is an HTTP proxy useful for cgi/php/forms debugging?
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17:00.59tech13abrotman, thank you!
17:01.03AndyCRdownloading now, thanks
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17:01.14AndyCRdarn isp throttles bittorrent so itll take awhile :/
17:01.39AndyCRbut using bittorrent should work, since it can resume a download risk-free
17:02.01AndyCRthanks again guys
17:02.24kevinl--question: can anyone think of a reason that a local machine on a LAN would say "RPC timeout" when you try to mount an NFS on another local machine, but the server machine says that it authenticated the mount request in daemon.log ?
17:02.32AndyCRso if im just using a networkless gnome desktop install of debian i only need dv d1?
17:02.32AndyCR*dvd 1
17:02.54abrotmantech13: all better ?
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17:05.44runevAny ideas why "hwclock --systohc" after a ntpdate update, just gives "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out"? Read it might be a kernel issue, but hoped someone could enlighten me a bit more before i digg into a kernel upgrade (running 2.6.18 atm, etch default).
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17:06.47PollywogI succeeded in installing checkinstall from deb src (sid)
17:06.50Pollywogand it works
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17:07.44Pollywogthank you ppl
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17:08.01tech13abrotman, sorry, got distracted with some phone calls...
17:08.24abrotmanso it's all good ?
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17:08.51tech13abrotman, yes, much better.  no delay at all now.
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17:08.56abrotmanenjoy!
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17:09.15doudoucydork, if i want to make my own iso, i must install grub for example into the iso file?
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17:10.42ianm_hmm after some apt-getting it seems php4 with apache2 issn't working (the webserver is sending the php file raw)
17:11.03kevinl--<PROTECTED>
17:11.06abrotmanis the module enabled?
17:11.09ianm_the module is enabled
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17:11.15abrotmanand did you clear your browser cache and restart your browser ?
17:11.39ianm_no, I'll try that
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17:12.26xandbang
17:12.26ianm_abrotman: good call.
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17:12.52ianm_abrotman: it seems that the module was disabled (not sure why), but after enabling it, it was just a browser cache issue
17:12.56luke-jr_workwhat is the correct way to load a set of iptables rules on boot?
17:13.03abrotmanianm_: yay!
17:13.12abrotmanluke-jr_work: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. start reading
17:13.15ianm_abrotman: thanks
17:13.44luke-jr_workabrotman: on most OS I can just do /etc/init.d/iptables save
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17:14.12abrotmanbah .. they removed the readme
17:14.17lord_robHi ! Do I need to install a specific package to enable http printing with cups ?
17:14.23lord_roberm sorry
17:14.33lord_robI should have typed that
17:14.39lord_robshouldn't
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17:14.56abrotmanluke-jr_work: you can write your own init script
17:15.47luke-jr_workabrotman: I shouldn't need to
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17:15.57luke-jr_workwhy does it have to be so complex to do such a simple thing?
17:16.03abrotmanluke-jr_work: argue with the package maintainer i suppose
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17:17.43giggseyI have PHP Version 5.2.0-8+etch3, how do I upgrade it?
17:17.59chopsgiggsey: What do you want to upgrade it to?
17:18.11giggseyLatest version
17:18.23chopsgiggsey: What version of Debian are you running?
17:18.27giggseyetch
17:18.41chopsgiggsey: Do you want the latest etch version (which I believe you have), or the latest version period?
17:18.44wols!backports
17:18.44dpkgbackports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
17:19.00chopsgiggsey: What he said
17:19.21giggseyOkay
17:19.22giggseyThanks
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17:19.59abrotmanluke-jr_work: it seems most attempts to have the maintainer include a sample script have failed
17:20.02ianm_any idea why apt-get suggested I remove my active kernel (2.6.8-2-k7) ?
17:20.14abrotmanianm_: dist-upgrading to etch ?
17:20.23ianm_abrotman: far from it, apt-getting php4-cli
17:20.39abrotmanianm_: do your sources point at sarge or oldstable or stable ?
17:20.48rares000my server got moved to another IP how do I update everything?
17:21.08chopsianm_: Because it's been replaced with a more secure kernel, 2.6.8-3-k7?
17:21.10luke-jr_workabrotman: no need for it to be a sample :p
17:21.15DustyDingois there a way to copy any file to the clipboard in X?
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17:21.34DustyDingowhen i want for e.g. copy a long text into a webbrowser,...
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17:21.39stewrares000: edit /etc/network/interfaces ; /etc/hosts ; and anything that might have been binding to a specific ip (perhaps apache?  do you use ip or name based virtual hosts?)
17:21.40abrotmanluke-jr_work: you can file a bug .. but i would imagine it would have the same end result
17:21.54Vladihi, what are the advantages/dissadvantages of not using any modules in a kernel and possibly being a little larger?
17:22.15chopsVladi: Disadvantages: pain in the ass, advantages: it's a learning adventure
17:22.25ianm_abrotman: stable (deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib)
17:22.26DustyDingono solution to this problem?
17:22.35DustyDingothere must be,...
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17:22.53abrotmanianm_: your sources are pointing at etch .. not sarge (which is where your kernel is from)
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17:23.57rares000I use name-based virtual hosts with an IP:80 setting but I also use virtualmin and I may be forced to go nekkid
17:24.23ianm_abrotman: not sure the reprocussions of that..?
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17:24.51abrotmanianm_: you're now mixing .. mixing is not recommended
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17:26.28ianm_abrotman: any idea how this could happen?  it's a serverbeach server and I don't think I've changed the sources
17:26.40chopsianm_: When you say 'stable', you get the current stable (which might be sarge, or etch, or later on maybe lenny, depending on whether there's been a stable upgrade in the interim)
17:26.50abrotmanianm_: right .. but debian had a new 'stable' release
17:26.58chopsianm_: For a stable server, you should always specify a specific release: 'sarge', 'etch', etc.
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17:27.25chopsianm_: In your case, I believe you want 'sarge'
17:27.42ianm_I see
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17:27.42chopsianm_: There's a separate issue that you're missing a sarge security kernel upgrade, I believe
17:27.50chopsThat was sudden
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17:29.33cmihaiHow do you disable antialiasing _just_ for XForms applications (or any given application)? (Using gnome or KDE)
17:29.45cmihaiThey really mess up fonts beyond all readability
17:29.57ianm_(damn it, gaim is crashing with IRC now)   ok well thanks guys, I have a better idea of what's going on
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17:30.12cmihaiOr was that a Tk app? Well, no matter, how do you disable AA for an app?
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17:33.04freeemindhello, where to get an etch-netboot image with attansic-L1 ethernet support? It hat been added to the mainline kernel in 2.6.21-rc3
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17:36.08doudouhow do i install grub into a file mount -o loop ?
17:36.08gpmfreeemind: i don't think there are any installers with a 2.6.21-rc3 kernel
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17:36.08gpmnot any official debian ones
17:36.09freeemindgpm, okay :( so I have to build a netboot by myself?
17:36.10gpmthat kernel hasn't even been packaged for unstable yet
17:36.48gpmfreeemind: kinda...or use the standard CD/DVD install and get the driver/kernel after your system is installed...i might be missing something though
17:36.49doudouhow do i make a bootable disk with qemu
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17:37.35gpmthis is a pretty new networking card i guess?
17:37.44gpmyou could just grab a cheap one for like 10 bucks
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17:42.20Eduardo____Help, erro instalation debian 4, linux-image
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17:43.03nospoonIs there an easy way to install a debian package to a user's home dir without root access?
17:43.13lipstick_anyone know what a Exchange "OST" and "PST" are?
17:43.30abrotman!pst
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17:43.40wolsPST is the dataformat for exhcnage/utlook?
17:43.40abrotmanbah .. PST is the file that contains your mail
17:43.41azeemnospoon: no
17:43.46nospoonazeem: :(
17:43.47nospoonthanks
17:43.55lipstick_huh ?
17:44.02Eduardo____Alguem ai teve algum probelma na instalao do debian 4????
17:44.07azeem!br
17:44.07dpkgEsse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:44.11lipstick_abrotman, and the OST ?
17:44.18abrotmanask ##windows ?
17:44.18dfa001lipstick: PST files are the container files for email that outlook uses
17:44.19nospoonDoes anyone know where I can get a standalone binary for inkscape, I don't have all the libs i need to compile it myself
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17:44.38abrotmani'm not sure what OST or PST files have to do with Debian
17:44.39stewnospoon: why not just "aptitude install inkscape" ?
17:44.43lipstick_dfa001, container for the email ?
17:44.47nospoonsteve: Don't I need root?
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17:44.52ma3xone quick question: my 64bit cpu changes frequency between 800 MHz and 2200 MHz. does it change on a 64bit platform only, or it changes on 32 bit installation as well?
17:44.54nospoonsorry, stew
17:44.54azeemnospoon: ask you admin then
17:45.08nospoonyeah, our prof doesn't think teh admin will get around to it
17:45.10stewnospoon: yes, you would
17:45.10dfa001lipstick: yes
17:45.13nospoonthanks
17:45.17azeemma3x: that's independent of the bits
17:45.37gpmcolorado school of mines
17:45.52ma3xazeem, I haven't seen any other cpu (non 64 bits) changing frequency
17:45.58azeemma3x: I have
17:46.00azeemmine, e.g.
17:46.01abrotmanma3x: many P4 chips do it
17:46.05abrotmanas do AMD chips
17:46.11ma3xabrotman, I had p4 cpu, it didn't
17:46.18jelly-homema3x: most mobile cpus starting from P3-M do.
17:46.23abrotmanma3x: or you didn't allow it to do it
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17:47.08ma3xabrotman, what's the advantage of 2200 MHz compared to 800 MHz ?
17:47.08dfa001nospoon: you could be evil  by adding "init=/bin/sh" to the boot and changing the root password
17:47.08abrotmanma3x: are you serious ?
17:47.08gpmdfa001: he's gone
17:47.10gpm:(
17:47.10ma3xabrotman, I mean that's not the CPU speed, right?
17:47.11ma3xor is it?
17:47.13dfa001oops
17:47.17abrotmanma3x: yes it is
17:47.29gpmdfa001: you should be using tab-completion for nicks
17:47.37ma3xabrotman, so why does it run at 800 MHz?
17:47.42ma3xso that it won't create heat?
17:47.53abrotmanma3x: save battery/power
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17:47.59dfa001gpm: heheh that requires a working tab key
17:48.05abrotmanma3x: for example .. IRC+wifi doesn't require 2200Mhz ..
17:48.12gpmdfa001: whoa! ghetto keyboard?
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17:48.24dfa001gpm: indeed
17:48.24jelly-homedfa001: ctrl-i !
17:48.28cahootabrotman: you must be kidding
17:48.37muhooman am i happy with the latest xorg and auto-probing of monitors.
17:48.40ma3xabrotman, does it by default change speed without loading any extra modules (with a fresh installation of debian) ?
17:48.43abrotmancahoot: you're right
17:48.47muhoomakes it *so* much easier to set up x properly
17:48.52abrotmanma3x: i thnk so .. dunno .. i don't have fancy hardware like you
17:49.04muhoothat xorg.log.0 file is actually readable and has useful information nowadays
17:49.12jelly-homema3x: which cpu?
17:49.13gpmmuhoo: on the flip-side, the new nvidia drivers are causing much agony for those of us who want opengl
17:49.20muhoolast time i set up a debian desktop machine, years ago, it was a huge pain in the ass
17:49.28muhoonvidia is not linux. nvidia is satan.
17:49.31ma3xjelly-home, amd athlon 64 (normal one, not FX or the newer ones)
17:49.36jelly-homema3x: it might depend on BIOS settings
17:50.04h3sp4wnThe debian kernel - uses the performance governer by default doesn't it
17:50.09ma3xanyway, I took out the battery of my laptop now, because I leave it ON all the time
17:50.21ma3xI'm afraid that could minimize the life of the battery
17:50.21muhoo!kill nvidia
17:50.26ma3xthat happened to my last laptop
17:50.42ma3xit runs on power now, without battery
17:50.43muhooi haven't seen a free aol cd in years.
17:50.50jelly-homema3x: if it doesn't, you have do modprobe powernow-k8 and one of the alterante cpufreq governors (eg. cpufreq-ondemand) to make it lower the frequenct
17:51.07abrotmanma3x: it still would draw less power at lower speeds .. save some trees!
17:51.12debianixma3x: leaving the battery in the laptop while plugging it in and using ac does kill the battery
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17:51.30jelly-homedebianix: missing "not"
17:51.32ma3xdebianix, exactly! that's why I took it out
17:51.33muhoo!balls
17:51.34dpkgballs is, like, what ody like to keep in his mouth
17:51.39ma3xit's just like cell phone
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17:51.47muhooheh, glad to see dpkg is still filled with useless shit
17:52.03ma3xleave it on for a few days, and within some time your cell phone won't hold for more than half an hour
17:52.10RobNyc-workis it me.. or does opening a OpenOffice document from Samba Shares doesnt work on Debian Sid ?
17:52.10dfa001muhoo: its what makes dpkg dpkg
17:52.18sepski!seen ody
17:52.18dpkgsepski: i haven't seen 'ody'
17:52.23jelly-homema3x: it shouldn't kill the battery directly, unless the machine is crap
17:52.27aacevedoRobNyc-work, que putas haces aqui?
17:52.29petemcapparently, he used to eat cocks
17:52.32ma3xabrotman, is BUS speed the same as CPU speed?
17:52.36petemcthat factoid has changed tho
17:52.38sepskipetemc, balls..
17:52.39RobNyc-workaacevedo, lol
17:52.44RobNyc-workaacevedo, new Sidux
17:52.48petemcsepski: cocks are what ody eats
17:53.02aacevedothis is debian go to #sidux
17:53.04aacevedo:)
17:53.09abrotmanma3x: no .. if you want to know more about how this all works .. ask #hardware
17:53.13debianixjelly-home: i've experienced it with a toshiba ... i i guess it does kill the battery
17:53.16RobNyc-workaacevedo, shutup your using kanotix
17:53.18RobNyc-workim  using debian sid
17:53.22sepskipetemc, i'll trust you on that :)
17:53.23RobNyc-workon vmware
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17:53.27petemc:)
17:53.28zombi-hey
17:53.28ma3xjelly-home, what do you mean directly? it kills it slowly - maybe within 1 - 2 years your laptop battery will hold only 10 mins instead of 2 hours
17:53.50jelly-homedebianix: I'm keeping my laptop pretty much 24/7 on AC and the battery is ok.
17:54.00doudouhow can i make bootable files for qemu?
17:54.07RobNyc-workaacevedo, bueno me voy aqui nadie me ayuda
17:54.16ma3xjelly-home, for how long did you do that?
17:54.19debianixhehe, yeah i have my laptop on 24/7 too ... but the battery is not plug in aswell
17:54.21aacevedono
17:54.25jelly-homema3x: about a year now
17:54.33aacevedoaqui es jodido que ayuden
17:54.35ma3xjelly-home, do it for 2 more years and check it then ... :)
17:54.35zombi-am i allowed to ask lenny related problems here?
17:54.37dfa001!es
17:54.38dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:54.47ma3xjelly-home, now if you unplug the ac, for how long does the battery hold?
17:54.51aacevedobesame el culo dfa001
17:54.58RobNyc-workaacevedo, yeah .. entrate a init
17:55.04jelly-homema3x: that's probably normal lifespan of a decent Li battery anyway
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17:55.15zombi-I just installed mysql... and it failed to start. Now when I try to apt-get remove it, it fails on stopping it
17:55.26ma3xanyway, the stupid instructions on the battery's sticker: don't pull out the battery are so wrong
17:55.27bwlangi have an amd64 system that i just upgraded to 4G of ram... free only shows 348038M. debian etch.. 2.6.18
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17:55.33gpmdoudou: there's a ton of qemu howtos online...http://wiki.debian.org/qemu for starters
17:55.34aacevedowhy would people think that speaking only one language is so cool
17:55.37aacevedois ignorance
17:55.39bwlanghow do i get linux to see the rest of the ram?
17:55.47dfa001aacevedo: i speak 4 languages
17:55.47ma3xI mean if you leave it in and have your laptop 24x7 running, it will minimize it life
17:55.49pngwnaacevedo, channel policy
17:55.50jelly-homema3x: The time is not noticeably lower then when it was new.
17:55.56RobNyc-workdfa001, lol
17:55.59aacevedoso whats the buzz?
17:56.07RobNyc-workI speak english, spanish, portuguese and italian
17:56.08ma3xjelly-home, not necessairly, but about 10 mins less right?
17:56.08aacevedooh i remember this is #debian
17:56.16xingujelly-home: I've been bitten by a design defect in that area; some t-series and vaio pcg-f's at least have the internal charger powered from mains, and the system powered from batter when the battery is fitted; this makes the battery go through zillions of continuous (some small)% disharge, recharge cycles.
17:56.19RobNyc-worki want to learn arabic, french, and russian
17:56.24jelly-homema3x: sounds right
17:56.25aacevedothe worl of the perfect human beings
17:56.26dfa001aacevedo: this is an english speaking channel, just out of courtesy pleace speak it
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17:56.32jelly-homema3x: but that's normal
17:56.37RobNyc-workaacevedo, the perfect distro and 1 of the oldest ?
17:56.42bwlangRobNyc: i think chinese would server you better ;)
17:56.43ma3xjelly-home, so take it out and use only the ac
17:56.45aacevedowhio cares
17:56.46muhoo#debian-es
17:56.47RobNyc-workbwlang, nah
17:57.00jelly-homema3x: it won't help battery life much
17:57.04mzilikazihi RobNyc-work
17:57.07ma3xjelly-home, why not?
17:57.07zombi-apt-get is trying to install both mysql-server-5.0 and also mysql-server-4.1 :/
17:57.08xingujelly-home: not sure if that's still a problem but I'm not taking any chances either, batteries can be bloody expensive
17:57.08RobNyc-workaacevedo, #ubuntu-es
17:57.12RobNyc-workhi mzilikazi long time
17:57.20mzilikaziindeed
17:57.21aacevedomzilikazi, you hang out here too?
17:57.31naitrami tried adding a script to my etc/init.d directory and running update-rc to make it run. It runs on startup but nothing else starts after it, Ie it starts on the first tty screen and no other screen has login or anything else. Isn't there a simple way to run a program on startup?
17:57.32mzilikaziaacevedo: sometimes
17:57.43RobNyc-workmzilikazi, whats up man where you been whats new.. i was looking at my old screenshots of your project :) .. you not with the Sidux guys?
17:57.44abrotmannaitram: put a & after the command
17:57.51jelly-homexingu: that's why I don't buy shitty brands... oh wait, you said T series
17:58.13aacevedoabrotman, how the hell are you?
17:58.15mzilikaziRobNyc-work: nah - to busy w/ life & work
17:58.24abrotmanaacevedo: eh ... fine
17:58.27xingujelly-home: yep, I've got one that gets about 3min on dc as a result of 3-4y or so running mostly in dock on mains.
17:58.42abrotmanah .. now i get it
17:58.46wolsnaitram: what program are you running?
17:58.48aacevedojust now?
17:58.57xingujelly-home: t21; even still clobbered after full discharge/ recharge cycle, several times over. totally cactus.
17:59.04wolsif your program never exits or sets itself up as a daemon, of course the scirpt never ends
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17:59.11jelly-homexingu: I've had that pleasure with an older Compaq Armada, vintage 2000
17:59.16naitramabrotman: so, asterisk &, what about exit 0 at the end of the script?
17:59.23naitramwols: asterisk
17:59.28wolsnaitram: it will end with exit or not
17:59.36xingujelly-home: yep that's about the right vintage; same era as the pcg-f, same design fault
17:59.36abrotmannaitram: that wouldn't work if the binary never exits
17:59.41abrotmanor isn't put in the background
17:59.42wolsas abrotman said: & at the end, or using nohup or similar
17:59.47jelly-homexingu: apparently newer batteries don't act like that
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18:00.00xingujelly-home: like I said, not sure if it still applies to newer systems or not, but I don't really wanna find out :)
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18:00.11RobNyc-workmzilikazi, yeah me2
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18:00.16zombi-what does it mean when apt-get reports: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
18:00.30naitramabrotman: yeah, the bin exists, it starts asterisk fine, just nothing after it and no login screen. so the & I guess will continue script processing
18:00.31wolsnaitram: debian has asterisk. isn't there a startup script coming with it?
18:00.33abrotmanzombi-: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
18:00.34wolsyou could use that
18:00.50abrotmannaitram: right .. at the end of the command you're using to start asterisk .. put an "&"
18:00.55RobNyc-workmzilikazi, trying to figure out why only in Debian Sid i cant open OpenOffice documents directly from samba shares at work ..
18:00.57wolsnaitram: I wouldn't count on it
18:00.59zombi-debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version.
18:01.07abrotmanzombi-: run apt-get update
18:01.11abrotmanor aptitude update
18:01.14naitramwols: not sure, i built the latest svn so...
18:01.18mzilikaziRobNyc-work: hmm weird
18:01.21abrotmanzombi-: is it a debian package ?
18:01.21RobNyc-workvery
18:01.26debianixzombi-: which package is it you want to install ?
18:01.38wolsnaitram: you can use the debian support script and still use the latest and greatest asterisk version
18:01.41RobNyc-workmzilikazi, but some other guys realized its a debian bug.. because i told the Parsix project guys and they found it true too ..
18:01.46FaolchuHow difficult is it to setup internet sharing on a desktop with two NICs?
18:01.46zombi-bind9
18:01.50wolsno one said you had to use the asterisk from debian. just its support scripts
18:01.54matjuwhen trying to do "/etc/init.d/postfix start" i get this: Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration)
18:01.59petemcFaolchu: trivial
18:01.59naitramThanks, All will try &
18:02.07matju... as if i used wrong options. any ideas?
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18:02.35wolsmatju: anything special with your postfix? checked the logs?
18:02.38naitramwols: ok, didn't know. Kinda new here. will ask on the asterisk chat
18:02.40wolssounds like a bad config file
18:02.44matjuactually, just saying "/etc/init.d/postfix" says "Usage: /etc/init.d/postfix {start|stop|restart|reload|flush|check|abort|force-reload}." instead
18:02.47Faolchupetemc: All right. Reason being, I have a main router in one room, and my Vonage router in another - one PC is hooked through the Vonage router, and when I disable DHCP the Vonage router can't get a connection.
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18:02.51zombi-when i try to install mysql-server-5.0... apt also tries to install 4.1 as well as 5.0
18:03.00wolsnaitram: check the deian packges for the init script(s)
18:03.04zombi-its sending me crazy :|
18:03.24FaolchuI'd like it so that the PC in that room is on the same subnet as the rest of the computers in the house, and I found I have a spare network card laying around.
18:03.29matjuwols: /var/log/mail.log gives exactly the same error message plus a timestamp
18:03.30wolszombi-: you sure it's not just trysing to install 4.1 clinet libs for backwards compatibility?
18:03.31debianixdo you have stable and unstable in your sourcelist ?
18:03.36matjuwols: like: May 15 13:58:59 paik postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration)
18:03.40FaolchuWould there be an easier way to accomplish this petemc?
18:03.54zombi-The following NEW packages will be installed: mysql-server-4.1 mysql-server-5.0
18:04.08matjuwols: this is a fresh install of debian 4.0 with postfix conf taken from debian 3.1
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18:04.40jelly-homema3x: there's some stuff about Li batteries in the battery faq. http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap10-page6.asp
18:04.47matjuwols: deleting /etc/postfix/*.db, rebuilding them, and trying again, doesn't do anything more
18:04.52petemcFaolchu: you could add a route on the desktop for the machine connecting through the second nic, probably better than using masquerading
18:05.09wolsmatju: matju try with a total new config.
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18:05.22wols3.1 had postfix 1.x, 4.0 has postfix 2.x
18:05.25piztek3why is it that if i create a shorcut to url on desktop to a text file it opens blank?
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18:05.47Faolchupetemc: I mean, is there not a way to do it without using two NICs?
18:05.56wolszombi-: what debian version? apt-rdepends doesn't give me any 4.1 myql stuff
18:06.20wolsFaolchu: ther is, but it's ugly, very ugly
18:06.31zombi-wols lenny
18:06.33abrotmanzombi-: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0
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18:06.35matjuwols: "/etc/init.d/postfix check" says nothing, returns error code 0 (no error)
18:06.39zwergHi there.
18:06.49matjuwols: i mean, with my existing config.
18:07.01zombi-abrotman i get too much back from that command to paste
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18:07.07abrotman!paste
18:07.07dpkghmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options
18:07.14wolsmatju: remove your current config to elimintate possibilities: if it still doesn't work with clean new config, you know it's not your config
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18:07.46matjuwols: yes, i'm getting there.
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18:07.57zombi-http://paste.debian.net/28057
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18:08.18matjuwols: with the default config it does load. now how would you debug this?
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18:08.57ma3xjelly-home, look it says when running on linux, battery life is extended as much as twice!
18:09.00wolsmatju: simply recreate your config step by step...
18:09.06Faolchuwols: how ugly?
18:09.10wolsmatju: note how I said "simply"...
18:09.19zombi-basically what happened is.. i installed mysql 5.0, it didnt start succesfully, so i tried to remove it, the init script failed to stop it, so i made a fake init script to return 1 to get it removed.
18:09.20wolsFaolchu: fairly insecure for a start
18:09.21matjuwols: what does "simply" mean here?
18:09.28wolsmatju: sarcasm
18:09.39zombi-but before i figured out how to get it to remove, i also tried apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
18:09.46zwergFor old (non-xft like aterm) applications, when using msttcorefonts, I have rectangles instead of spaces.  Other chars work well.  Any idea why?
18:09.49zombi-its like apt-get has queued up my commands
18:09.55n3kl_What is a good web development application?
18:09.56wolszombi-: mysql-server-5.0 and 5.1 are the same on debian as you can clearly see. why I don't actually know
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18:10.11matjuwols: oh, i've got plenty of sarcasm too, but what would it be without the sarcasm?
18:10.12wolsn3kl_: ruby on rails
18:10.19abrotman!depends mysql-server-5.0 lenny
18:10.27dpkgmysql-server-5.0: pre-depends on mysql-common (>= 5.0.38-1), adduser (>= 3.40)
18:10.36wolsmatju: it's all you can do. recreate your config what you want to do, sooner or later it will break
18:10.40kth``on debian lenny: I installed standard 2.6.18-4-xen-686 kernel it complains on PAE mismatch and reboots, it reports xen=no dom0=yes for PAE, what am i doing wrong? Or is the -xen kernel supposed to be run on guests? I'm confused now
18:10.47wolsmatju: something or toher changed between 1.x and 2.x
18:10.50zombi-the other wierd thing is..
18:10.56wolsmatju: you could try and ask #postfix what
18:11.02zombi-ive done apt-get remove for 5.0 and 4.1
18:11.10Faolchue
18:11.15zombi-and for some reason there still seems to be mysqld installed
18:11.23jelly-homema3x: I must have been lucky, then
18:11.38chopszombi-: dpkg -S /path/to/mysqld
18:11.38wolszombi-: dpkg -l |grep mysql
18:11.38n3kl_wols: you know something about web dev?
18:11.38ma3xjelly-home, just kidding
18:11.38zombi-even though apt says the remove was succesful
18:11.38matjuwols: i wasn't using 1.x, i think that this is 2.1 vs 2.3 or something
18:11.46wolsn3kl_: your question is fairly nonsensical imho
18:11.46zombi-ahhh
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18:12.01wols!info postfix oldstable
18:12.05dpkgpostfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 783 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB
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18:12.20ma3xjelly-home, it doesn't make fsckin sense. you buy the laptop, and for 3-4 years the battery lasts for 3-4 mins
18:12.21wols!info postfix stable
18:12.23piztek3why is it that if i create a shorcut to url on desktop to a text file it opens blank?
18:12.26dpkgpostfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.8-2+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 1063 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB
18:12.32zombi-ok that fixed it
18:12.42zombi-but now i can't install 5.0 without 4.1 installing as well
18:12.52n3kl_wols: I am looking to build my own site.  I was under the impression that perl would replace cgi function of php, and php would replace html completely.  Can you build a site using strictly php, or do you have to use html?
18:13.03chopszombi-: Which 4.1 package precisely does it want to install?
18:13.03wolsunlink: 5.0 is 4.1 on debian. look at your apt-cache paste
18:13.21wolsn3kl_: php outputs html
18:13.24kth``n3kl, php is a hypertext preprocessor, it outputs html
18:13.27wolsn3kl_: so no you can't
18:13.28zombi-oh you're right
18:13.53abrotmankth``: it doesn't have to output html
18:14.07zombi-0% [Connecting to apt1.memset.net (81.3.86.121)] [Connecting to apt1.memset.net (81.3.86.121)]
18:14.09wolsabrotman: if you use it for a website, it usually helps tho
18:14.12n3kl_wols: so you structure the php in a way that the output of the html will be your site?
18:14.16zombi-thats what i get when running apt-get update
18:14.25zombi-memset is who im hosting with
18:14.31wolsn3kl_: you write a php program that outputs html which is then what the client's browser sees
18:14.37abrotmanwols: i've used it for other things .. but i'm an evil bastard :)
18:14.48zombi-theres nothing about memset in my sources list
18:14.49kth``on debian lenny: I installed standard 2.6.18-4-xen-686 kernel it complains on PAE mismatch and reboots, it reports xen=no dom0=yes for PAE, what am i doing wrong? Or is the -xen kernel supposed to be run on guests?
18:14.49n3kl_wols: so php can do simple things like links and background colors and table ans such, yes?
18:14.51wolsabrotman: using php means you're a stupid bastard :P
18:14.55wolsabrotman: and so am I
18:15.02wolsbackt he the php salt mines I goe
18:15.07abrotmanwols: hehe
18:15.11wolsn3kl_: no
18:15.17wolsn3kl_: only html can do html things
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18:15.24jelly-homema3x: 3 years is the usual range for business laptops warranty
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18:16.27n3kl_wols: where can I learn about this?  I am looking for a language to learn.  I thought perl was it, but aparently not, now that I am through my first perl book.
18:16.39piztek3where can i find xgl for amd64?
18:16.49abrotmanpiztek3: debian has aiglx
18:16.50ma3xjelly-home, that means if something happens to the battery - explosion or malfunction, then you can change it
18:16.56jelly-homema3x: Also, I have no idea what sort of perfomance this 2005-09 battery will have in 2008. I only know about some that were made in 2000-2001.
18:17.04wolsn3kl_: what do you want to do? and do you have any previous programming experience?
18:17.19wols!xgl
18:17.19dpkghmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease  or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl.  see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl
18:17.20jelly-homema3x: not really, batteries usually have separate 12 months warranty :-)
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18:17.25piztek3abrotman: it's just built in
18:17.26ma3xwols, I'm a c++ programmer :p
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18:17.41wolsma3x: you are a noob. and we all know it
18:17.43piztek3are there any amd64 beryl how to's?
18:17.47n3kl_wols: eventually, I want my site to look like a wordpress installation.  Dynamic content eventually, but easy to manage.  I am willing to learn, but I don't know where to start.
18:17.49wols!beryl
18:17.50dpkgberyl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian
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18:18.18wolsn3kl_: the important part is to know programming, not a single progamming language
18:18.23ma3xjelly-home, the nice thing about laptop batteries is that if power goes down and comes back after a few mins, your laptop still runs without any interruptions
18:18.30ma3xjelly-home, unlike desktops
18:18.32zombi-http://paste.debian.net/28059
18:18.33cacahuatedoes anyone know of a program similar to Truecrypt that can be used for both linux and windows?
18:18.49wolsn3kl_: start with something you want to do (to have better motivation)
18:18.54n3kl_wols: I know bash, not really programming, and I am learning perl.  To begin web development, where do you suggest I begin with that?
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18:19.08n3kl_wols: php, perl, ruby, django?
18:19.13wolsif you ever written some html you can start with php tutorials. if not, do a bit of exeprimenting with html and maybe css only first
18:19.13zombi-ruuuby :)
18:19.18jelly-homema3x: it works with desktops too if you have a battery for them
18:19.45wolsn3kl_: your choices are ruby, python, perl and php mostly
18:19.59wolsof those 4 languages php is the suckiest but also the most common :(
18:20.01n3kl_wols: I have built sites long long ago typing tags in vi and such, and I have done some C++, but its been a while
18:20.20wolsn3kl_: so you at least kno the basics of programming. good start
18:20.22zombi-PHP is good for starting out, if you're using ruby you'll probably want to use ruby on rails, which kinda complicates things for newbies
18:20.24n3kl_wols: in the process of learning perl, but it does not seem to be suited for basic web development.
18:20.26ma3xjelly-home, they don't have batteries you dummy!
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18:20.54wolsn3kl_: web development is ugly. totally, eternally fugly beyond belief. it simply sucks
18:20.58n3kl_wols: I learned enough c++ to build an application for a company and then never touched it again, pretty much
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18:21.11ma3xjelly-home, that's called power generator or something similar
18:21.18jelly-homema3x: UPS
18:21.26ma3xyup, but not a battery
18:21.34ma3xunited postal service :)
18:21.34jelly-homema3x: dude, that IS a battery
18:21.42zombi-PHP is aimed at web development, whereas perl isn't quite as relevent
18:21.42wolsn3kl_: with web development you simply don't have printf, or rather instead of printf, ncurse ir xlib or gdi, you have to print out html statements
18:21.45wolsthat's about it
18:21.45ma3xyeah a big big battery
18:22.09ma3xjelly-home, anyway they prolly cost more than the laptop
18:22.09n3kl_wols: that would be cgi, right?
18:22.14wolszombi-: the truble is php sucks as alanguage
18:22.24zombi-ruby is much nicer
18:22.24wolsn3kl_: no
18:22.42n3kl_wols: similar to how php works, using a structured language ( php, perl) to output the html
18:22.49zombi-but learning the rails framework is too much of a complexity for people starting out
18:22.54xinguphp is proof that dlopen and dlsym should be shell internals
18:22.55wolscgi means the process generating the html is a different process from apache and prints html to stdout which apache then delivers via http
18:23.13wolsphp and ruby work by being in the same process as apache and there is no stdout anymore really
18:23.13ma3xjelly-home, what's the minimal UPS weight? 150KG??????
18:23.15jelly-homema3x: there is no "probably", there is "check the fucking market"
18:23.22wolsall there is, is the network socket
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18:23.37zombi-HTML, CSS, PHP then Ruby if you want to try out a framework or just don't like php
18:23.38jelly-homema3x: no, but that is a nice one to throw on noobs
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18:23.48en1gmamorning all
18:23.57en1gma!debian way
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18:24.12zombi-http://paste.debian.net/28059  <-- Anyone know what I can do about this?
18:24.14ma3xjelly-home, last time I checked it was something like $1k
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18:24.20en1gmawhats the trigger to see the debian way to build a kernel
18:24.23en1gma!kernel
18:24.24dpkgLinux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.1, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc1-git2, 2.4: 2.4.34.4, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-mm2
18:24.34en1gma!kernel debian way
18:24.35wols!tell en1gma about km-mantra
18:24.37wols!tell en1gma about kp-mantra
18:24.38tarzeaucrap the video card GU1-Extreme in my indigo2 isn't supported by linux.... goota use the serial console
18:24.47ma3xjelly-home, anyway take the battery out of your laptop and extend its life
18:24.56en1gmano for the debian way
18:25.05en1gma!kernel debian-way
18:25.17wolsen1gma: that is the debian way
18:25.25en1gmathats not that one i used before
18:25.35en1gma!kernel the debian way
18:25.36wolssucks to be you then. it's the only debian way
18:25.54en1gmawell i used a different trigger
18:25.58Nylethere is a new kung fu movie out
18:26.01en1gmaand im sure someone will show me
18:26.04Nyleits called "Way of the Debian"
18:26.07Nyleits pretty good
18:26.12abrotman!kpmantra
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18:26.15abrotman!kp mantra
18:26.16dpkgThe kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel
18:26.18abrotmanthat one ?
18:26.20en1gma!kno
18:26.26en1gmano not that one
18:26.36en1gmathis one showed what packages i need to get to compile
18:26.40wolsabrotman: he uses a _special_ debian version
18:26.51en1gma!kernel-debian-way
18:26.53wols!tell en1gma about b-e
18:26.54abrotmanwols: for those only using Debian on Sunday ?
18:26.56xingudoesn't rootcmd default to fakeroot for uid!=0 ?
18:27.01wolsabrotman: you got it
18:27.15en1gmanope it showed more then that
18:27.16wolsen1gma: and kernel-package and libncurses5-dev
18:27.19wolsthat's all you need
18:27.27n3kl_wols: so as far as web development, can perl do all that php can do?
18:27.28en1gmathats not the trigger i looking for
18:27.42abrotman!Kernel-package
18:27.42dpkgTo compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra'
18:27.49en1gmayes that one
18:27.50wolsn3kl_: any turing complete language can do as much as any other turing complete language
18:27.50en1gma:)
18:27.56wolsboth php and perl are turing complete
18:27.57en1gmathanks
18:27.59abrotman!debian-kernel
18:27.59dpkg[debian-kernel] Making a kernel The Debian Way, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html if you have gotten (is that a word) a kernel module package you're best following that, basically, apt-get install kernel-source-foo && unpack && ln -s kernel-dir-foo linux && cd linux && make menuconfig && make-kpkg kernel_image && make-kpkg modules_image && dpkg -i ../kernel-image-foo.deb && reboot
18:28.14matjuwols: i only had to replace postfix-script, after all. thanks anyway.
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18:28.22mothOn the other hand, no language implementations are turing complete
18:28.33jelly-homexingu: ... does fakeroot work in fakeroot?
18:28.33mothsince turing completeness requires infinite memory (and infinite time)
18:28.39zombi-whats the command to find which package a file belongs in?
18:28.41wolsmoth: ok. practially turing complete
18:28.50wolsmoth: sheesh, you nit picker!
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18:28.58mothwell... resource limitations matter
18:29.09jelly-homemoth: and infinite speed to run your apps in finite time!
18:29.21mothnah, turing completeness was never about infinite speed
18:29.23nytyhi
18:29.26nytyplease i have this error
18:29.31nytyin realplayer
18:29.32nyty(realplay.bin:17409): Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed
18:30.13piztek3is ColdFyre here?
18:30.23wolsn3kl_: but doing web dev in perl is probably a bit harder than php. php is just optimized for web dev and it has many support libs and scripts for it
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18:30.40piztek3can anyone help me with poweroff problems at boot, the new kernel didn't fix the problem
18:31.16sussudio%fix piztek3
18:31.17wolspiztek3: we already told you it's hardware
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18:31.32n3kl_wols: Ok, cool.  I think I am going to get a book on php then.  Thanks for the insight.
18:31.35piztek3but it doesn't happen with the windows disk
18:32.04wolsn3kl_: look on the web. tons of tutorials out ther especially when you already know the principles of programming
18:32.13wolspiztek3: that doesn't mean shit all
18:32.24h3sp4wnn3kl_: mod_perl is nice (with template toolkit) - if you want a framework there is http://www.catalystframework.org/
18:32.26wolspiztek3: ever ran prime95 on windows?
18:32.50n3kl_h3sp4wn: what does it mean "framework"?  I see that all over, ruby and such.
18:33.13piztek3yeah my memory tests out fine
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18:34.29wolsn3kl_: a support structure. made of a library
18:34.40wolse.g. a X program uses the X "framework" you could say
18:34.46n3kl_wols: ah
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18:34.51n3kl_wols: thanks again
18:34.53wolsit tries to help you with common task which happen with every project
18:35.02h3sp4wnn3kl_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application_framework
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18:35.33wolsh3sp4wn: damn you! you found it faster than me!
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18:35.43takezohow can i give a user same gruoup wr ..?
18:35.43AnthroI have a program that will only give output to a tty. Is there anything that will pretend to be a tty but dump to a file?
18:35.44piztek3!beryl
18:35.44dpkgberyl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian
18:35.44n3kl_h3sp4wn: catalyst is a perl module it looks like,neat.
18:36.06takezohow can i create playlist with mplayer ..?
18:36.07wolsAnthro: don't you mean stdout?
18:36.29n3kl_h3sp4wn: thanks
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18:36.48Anthrowols: If stdout is directed to a file, no output is produced. I need something that will convince this program that stdout is a tty, but actually dump to a file.
18:36.53takezohow can i give a user same gruoup wr ..?
18:36.55takezohow can i create playlist with mplayer ..?
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18:37.20wolstakezo: man chmod
18:37.26wols!permissions
18:37.26dpkgFor more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages
18:37.30takezoand plyalist..?
18:38.06azeemI'm not sure mplayer supports playlists
18:38.06chopstakezo: Tried googling "mplayer create playlist"?
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18:38.25thingfishI have set Power Management to not shut off my display, yet the display goes to sleep after about an hour.  This is etch.
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18:38.32abrotman!dpms
18:38.32dpkgit has been said that dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
18:38.37chopsAnthro: 'screen' with logging?
18:38.46thingfishthanks abrotman
18:38.52Anthrochops: Hm. Not a bad thought. I'll try it.
18:39.00takezoyes it permit, but i doont know how can create
18:39.48xinguhmm, interesting, all this time I've been using make-kpkg as an ordinary user without fakeroot and the results have been working just fine. :)
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18:41.16en1gma!make-kpkg
18:41.17dpkgmake-kpkg is probably the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra>
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18:41.40ma3xhow can I test my download?
18:41.44en1gma!kp mantra
18:41.44dpkgThe kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel
18:41.46ilkay_cHello. My Etch system, which had been working fine until the last kernel update, has no sound now. When I start KDE, I get a dialog that tells me "Access to /dev/dsp is denied". The last time this happened, I just rebooted with one of the older kernels and it worked. Today, I don't have sound with any of the three kernels, all 2.6x. Any ideas how I can get this working? I've tried reloading ALSA.
18:41.50thingfishabrotman: in the Monitor section of xorg.conf, there was already Option "DPMS".
18:41.52wols!tell en1gma about msg the bot
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18:41.59Jav1erhi
18:42.09Jav1erwhen did debian woody support finish?
18:42.13wolsma3x: download of what?
18:42.18thingfishabrotman: I added "On" right after "DPMS"
18:42.20ma3xwols bandwidth you know ....
18:42.21chopsilkay_c: Are the permissions on /dev/dsp okay?  Are you part of the audio group?
18:42.29stewJav1er: june 2006
18:42.30wolsJav1er: a year after sarge went final probably
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18:42.39Jav1erthanks :D
18:42.42piztek3is deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main a amd64 repo
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18:43.39ilkay_cchops: /dev/dsp is root.audio and I'm not part of the audio group. Why would that have changed? This has been working for months.
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18:43.52abrotmanthingfish: you wanted it Off :)
18:44.09thingfishabrotman: well duh
18:44.16thingfishyes I guess that's right
18:44.20chopsilkay_c: A udev-related change that corrected the permissions when they used to be busted?  Who knows... you should be part of the audio group, though.  Does that fix it?
18:45.18en1gmathe other day someone gave me a couple lines that worked really good for makeing a kernel the deiban way. the first line involved apt-get installing what i needed....the 2nd line involved changing to a fakeroot and building the kernel from cli with menuconfig
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18:45.27en1gmacould anyone reapeat those 2 commands by any chance
18:45.38en1gmai lost my text file that had em somehow
18:45.49sudo_maddash!kp mantra
18:45.50dpkgThe kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel
18:45.50wols!tell en1gma about kp-mantra
18:46.02sudo_maddashoops. heh.
18:46.12en1gmawols_ that isnt it
18:46.32wolsen1gma: this, together with what you've been told before is all you need
18:46.34ilkay_cchops: I'll have to exit KDE and return to see if it worked. Thanks for the tip.
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18:46.51en1gmawhat i asked for is not that
18:46.59en1gmawhat i asked for was those 2 lines
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18:47.12en1gmaif you want to give em please do and if not i think you know my answer
18:47.56sudo_maddashen1gma: kernel-package is quite possibly the simplest way to compile a (custom) kernel
18:48.13stewen1gma: if not kp mantra then maybe /msg dpkg kp
18:48.13ColdFyremy nick highlight was triggered
18:48.28ColdFyrewas someone looking for me or was it someone saying everyones nick
18:48.41stewColdFyre: try /lastlog ColdFyre
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18:48.44en1gmawell i was just asking if anyone remembered giving me those 2 commands because they worked so well that i would like to use em again
18:48.45wolscydork: /lastlog
18:48.48en1gmait was really nice
18:48.51wolsColdFyre: /lastlog
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18:49.08sudo_maddash_damn.
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18:49.38piztek3can anyone help me find an amd64 repo of beryl?  the one listed on the howto isn't connecting!
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18:49.56ColdFyrepiztek3:   it doesnt come standard?
18:49.58sn0piztek3 there are tuxfamily org links on the beryl site
18:50.06stewColdFyre: no, beryl is not in debian
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18:50.17ColdFyreerr im thinking ubuntu
18:50.17sn0its connecting fine for me (at least)
18:50.22piztek3ColdFyre: no it doesn't
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18:50.31N`Kr1ptI only have sid in my sources.list, and I want to upgrade all the packages on my system, which is best? dist-upgrade or upgrade?
18:50.40chopsN`Kr1pt: dist-upgrade
18:50.42piztek3i think i installed an i386 package, because i did everything correctly and it didn't work
18:50.48stewN`Kr1pt: you don't want to dist-upgrade to sid
18:50.52piztek3and the amd64 isn't connecting
18:50.54stewN`Kr1pt: /msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade
18:51.04en1gmamaybe someone can remember....they said i open up cntrl-alt-f1 as user and when i run there command to build it will automatically open munuconfig and i also open another term as user and do an lspci and look at my hardware then i use that info to go back to 1st terminal and pick my menuconfig options and when i save/close it auto builds and does it all
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18:51.18en1gmaso its like a 2 step process besides doing the dpkg -i
18:51.21stewpiztek3: you installed an i386 pacakge onto amd64? how?
18:51.33wolsstew: magic
18:51.41piztek3whoa maybe i didn't then
18:51.46en1gmaanyone remember telling me that info?
18:51.49Anthrochops: screen with logging is doing just what I wanted. Thanks!
18:51.54stewpiztek3: you would have to go out of your way to do so
18:52.02chopsAnthro: np
18:52.06piztek3okay i didn't
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18:52.14piztek3then why didn't it work after ctrl alt backspace
18:52.15wolsen1gma: make manuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg binary-arch
18:52.18N`Kr1ptallright upgrade it is then
18:52.19N`Kr1ptthx
18:52.26wolspiztek3: what videocard?
18:52.34piztek3nvidia 7600gs
18:52.53wolsjust checking it's not ati :)
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18:52.59piztek3lol
18:53.28en1gmawols_ well the person said exactly what packages i need to apt-get install (there was at least 5 including fakeroot and some other strange one) then with command 2 it did absolutely everything EXCEPT pick the options in menuconfig and dpkg -i kernel
18:53.41piztek3Section "Extensions" or Section "Extension"
18:54.04en1gmaso it was really a 2 step process to build the kernel
18:54.17en1gmamaybe 3 steps at the most (including installing it)
18:54.26wolsen1gma: there are only 3
18:54.34en1gmahmmm
18:54.35chopsN`Kr1pt: Oh, yes -- stew is correct.  'aptitude dist-upgrade' is probably actually what you want
18:54.43en1gma3 steps if you know what your doing
18:54.48piztek3ColdFyre: ?
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18:54.52wolsbuild-essential, libncurses5-dev and kernel-package.. pssibly fakeroot
18:55.20en1gmaso dont get fakeroot and just do those "build-essential, libncurses5-dev and kernel-package." as root?
18:55.27stewchops: that's not what I meant.  i meant if he didn't know if he should be using upgrade or dist-upgrade, he shouldnt' be using sid, he should be using stable
18:55.30wolsinstall those
18:55.33en1gmadone
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18:55.43chopsstew: Hmm, point taken
18:56.06wolsen1gma: if you don't need an initrd, the thing I wrote above is all you need to create a kernel if you are root. use fakeroot if not
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18:56.16N`Kr1ptis sid the name of unstable forever or not?
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18:56.26N`Kr1ptbecause tesing is now lenny and not sid?
18:56.27wolsN`Kr1pt: yes
18:56.29N`Kr1ptok
18:56.35wolssid is always unstable
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18:56.52en1gmayea im not sure if i need an initrd but i think that was included with the command the guy gave me other day
18:56.57dkrno plans to institutionalize him, yet
18:56.57N`Kr1ptbecause he's the kid that breaks everything ^^
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18:57.04en1gmadang i bet hes not in channel otherwise he would have said somehting
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18:57.24wolsen1gma: you most probably don't. unless you do some RAID or have a shitty disk controller
18:57.30dogmeathow do you create a .so from a .a lib file?
18:57.33shadey_anyone have any experience with vncserver?
18:57.41en1gmai do have a shitty disk controller and raid
18:57.41wols!tell shadey_ about ask
18:57.56en1gmaits mounted as we speak
18:58.15shadey_I have a vncserver running... but when i connect via client i only get a blank x display
18:58.40en1gmai can not believe i do not have that damn text file
18:58.46en1gmalet me look some more
18:58.49shadey_trying to display the kdm
18:58.54shadey_if it's possible
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19:00.06stewen1gma: you need initrd if you are going to need to do stuff before you can mount your root partition, where "do stuff" might be loading kernel modules (for ext3, or your drive controller), or start lvm, start software raid, cryptoloop, etc
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19:00.14N`Kr1ptis there something like widgets on apple for gnome?
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19:00.24dkrapplets?
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19:00.59HyperDeviwhere can i get tcp_scan on debian?
19:01.17HyperDevii found no packages for it..
19:01.33HyperDevii just want to check if the port is open, and script this
19:01.42N`Kr1ptnmap?
19:01.47dkryou could nmap instead
19:01.47wolsHyperDevi: netstat
19:01.49HyperDevinmap = too slow
19:02.00HyperDevinetstat is only for the local machine
19:02.05wolsHyperDevi: telnet to the port?
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19:02.48HyperDeviwols: if the port is closed, telnet will take ages to close
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19:03.08HyperDevii need just a quick check.. max 2 a 3 ms
19:03.18jelly-homeHyperDevi: nmap too slow?  even with appropriate options?
19:03.19dkryou are launching a separate program from a script and worried about it being slow?
19:03.27wolsHyperDevi: screen and killall. very fast
19:03.39HyperDevihaha
19:03.42wolsah, script based
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19:03.51HyperDevii know tcp_scan but i cant find it :(
19:04.09en1gmaok thanks
19:04.17N`Kr1ptaren't there sources for tcp_scan?
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19:04.38jelly-homeHyperDevi: Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.012 seconds
19:04.56wolsHyperDevi: have you searched?
19:04.57dkrHyperDevi: maybe you forgot to disable dns lookups when you used nmap? :)
19:05.00jelly-homeworks for me (tm)
19:05.14N`Kr1ptyea I thought nmap is pretty fast too
19:05.24HyperDevidkr: can you give me the string for the fastest possible lookup?
19:05.24wolstcp_scan is not in debian
19:05.36dkra simple check for an open port would also be a lot faster than an entire scan
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19:05.50N`Kr1ptyea but if you really don't want to use nmap, you'll have to compile the sources for tcp_scan
19:05.56jelly-homedkr: that's for people who rtfm
19:05.57HyperDevidkr: afcourse -p, what should speed it up more?
19:06.10jelly-homeHyperDevi: -P0 -sT
19:06.37jelly-homeand whatever the option to disable dns lookups is
19:07.04dkr-n
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19:07.48HyperDevimm ok i will try that, just find out how i can get rid of all the crap around the port section in the output :P
19:08.37solemnwarningIf I install an LVM system do I have to make a non-LVM /boot or can grub handle the kernel being in an LVM fs?
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19:09.02HyperDevinmap 10.0.1.6 -p80 -sT -n |grep 80 |awk '{print $2}' :):):)
19:09.04petemcsolemnwarning: you'll want a small non lvm partition to boot from
19:09.05jelly-homeuseless use of grep!
19:09.16HyperDevijelly-home: oh?
19:09.18solemnwarningok
19:09.27jelly-homeawk '/80/{print $2}'
19:09.32solemnwarningDo I need a non-LVM /boot for xen guests too?
19:09.38petemcno
19:09.43solemnwarningthanks
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19:09.54HyperDevijelly-home: cool even better :) thanks
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19:10.18wiedenmannI want to have ^f composed to 1 character, how can I type that either using X or terminal.
19:10.28solemnwarningDoes LVM slow down disk access slightly since it's a layer of abstraction?
19:10.47petemcsolemnwarning: not in my experience, im not a speed freak tho
19:11.02solemnwarningShould I keep my swap partition on a real fs?
19:11.09ThinkRusty87./server 67.184.254.124
19:11.13ThinkRusty87./server 67.184.254.124
19:11.20petemcsolemnwarning: thats not necessary
19:11.24solemnwarningok
19:11.50dkrlol, nmap has a script kiddie leet speak output option: -oS <filespec> (ScRipT KIdd|3 oUTpuT)
19:12.33zombi-yeah
19:12.38zombi-i think bx does too :P
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19:12.41zombi-bitchx that is
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19:14.44en1gma"and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz" i dont see this file in there.
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19:15.34petemcsolemnwarning: i should add, you can have swap on lvm, but its not the norm, most people still use a 'normal' parttion for swap
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19:15.45mateuszkJo
19:15.47mateuszkHi
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19:16.02mateuszkHow to find if texlive debian packages include algorithm2e LaTeX package ?
19:16.11jelly-homeIs 20 months enough for a maintainer to be considered MIA?
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19:16.17wols!tell mateuszk about search
19:16.20wolspdo is your friend
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19:17.41mateuszkwols, ok found in texlive-science package .. strange
19:17.50mateuszkwols, but thx
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19:18.31piztek3how do i make beryl start on bootup?
19:18.47marc7what's the new package repository called for the current/cutting edge packages on etch? it includes much more current versions of things like clamav,e tc.
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19:19.09stoned!sid faq
19:19.09dpkgrumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
19:19.17stonedread this first
19:19.18marc7no no, not sid.
19:19.22stonedexperimental?
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19:19.28stonedif you have to ask, you shouldn't use it
19:19.36h3sp4wnbackports ?
19:19.41marc7i just can't remember what it's called and can't find it on the debian website...
19:19.45stonedjust compile the latest source, from source
19:19.46marc7and it isn't backports.
19:19.53stonedexperimental!
19:20.03marc7*goes back to debian.org and looks some more*
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19:20.10rolandhi
19:20.28rolandim looking to run debian 4 on pentium 1 233 mhz 64 ram
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19:20.41rolandi want X/twm/fluxbox but if its too much i can do text mode too..
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19:20.44rolandis it a good idea?
19:20.45J_Phi all
19:20.49sudo_maddashroland: good choice. what else are you looking to?
19:20.54h3sp4wnroland: fluxbox would be fine
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19:20.59gpmsounds good to me
19:21.01sudo_maddashroland: icewm, dude.
19:21.02ustunozgurmarc7, do you mean apt-get.org?
19:21.05wolsroland: it's doable
19:21.14marc7i think i mean volatile.
19:21.18yangI wonder if there is a way to *TAG* one line in "top" to see the process more clearly?
19:21.23J_Pmsg dpkg: debian-arm ?
19:21.26wolsroland: if you run ffox in those 64MB it's pushing tho
19:21.29marc7http://www.debian.org/volatile/
19:21.30J_Pdpkg: debian-arm ?
19:21.47sudo_maddashi'm looking to run debian 4 on UNIVAC.
19:23.54wolssudo_maddash: provided the smithsonian will allow you to do it?
19:23.54rolandi want to make a beowulf cluster out of several pentium 1 64ram pcs, and i only need to run kernel 2.6 + possibly Xorg and twm with dillo as browser
19:23.54wolsroland: a cluster with X?
19:23.55sudo_maddashwols: I'll let the debian charm them.
19:23.55rolandwols: no
19:23.55rolandjust wondering how X will run on that cpu
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19:23.55sobersabrehi guys.
19:23.55wolsX doesn't need CPU. it needs RAM
19:23.55sobersabreI am still messing with the raid.
19:23.55petemcroland: you could save yourself a lot of time and effort by springing for a newer machine, be much more powerful than a cluster of old machines
19:23.56rolandwols: X also needs cpu power, as any app
19:23.56rolandas a matter of fact, more than any app
19:23.56rolandin text mode
19:23.56petemcthats not true
19:23.56sudo_maddashroland: er, no. only if you run firefox. or similar.
19:23.57wolsroland: no. X at most needs accelerated graphics. not CPU bound
19:24.23sobersabreI am trying to make an md device ( software raid ) from an existing partition.
19:24.25rolandi dont run firefox at all on those pcs
19:24.49sobersabreI have created an md device with 1 disk missing ("missing" option)
19:24.53rolandpetemc: its all a matter of training myself in networking rather than needing raw power
19:24.59rolandand a good cluster
19:25.05rolanda old and rusty one is good if it works
19:25.07sobersabreI have copied all the data from the original partition to the new /dev/md1
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19:25.15runevhow do i set /media/cdrom to work as dvd://1 (this is what xine and mplayer keeps telling me it can't find)
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19:25.21petemcroland: oh, then fill your boots
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19:25.25sobersabrenow I need to add the old one, but I get an error: not enough space.
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19:25.46sobersabreboth disks are 250G ones.
19:26.07sobersabreone is Hitachi, another - Maxtor. ( IIRC )
19:26.43sobersabreI have seen the new /dev/md1 pick up the data, all dates are ok, ownership too.
19:27.37sobersabrehow can I reformat the 'old' partition to fit the mirror properly ?
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19:27.51sobersabreor maybe the new one ?
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19:29.37tarzeaui wants debian gnu/freedos
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19:30.41wolstarzeau: can't be. userland is not GNU as with GNU/Linux
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19:31.39tarzeauwols: many  of the userland tools are gnu gpl?
19:31.46tarzeauwols: then just debian freedos...
19:32.00mzilikaziI assume there must be a good reason for sshd_config to default to "PermitRootLogin yes" but what is the reason?
19:32.32tarzeaumzilikazi: sudo is not default, root is the least account a machine needs to have
19:32.45tarzeaumzilikazi: and how else if not as root would you administer machines?
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19:32.58mzilikazitarzeau: log in as user then su?
19:33.02wolstarzeau: debian always prompts you to create a user
19:33.06wolslog in as user, then su
19:33.06tarzeaumzilikazi: if you are paranoid read !harden-doc
19:33.12tarzeauwols: you can skip that
19:33.31sobersabremzilikazi: openssh server isn't installed by default.
19:33.33tarzeauwols: debian has ssh with PermitRootLogin yes
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19:33.40tarzeauwols: why do you tell me to log in as user then?
19:34.06mzilikazisobersabre: yes i am aware of that
19:34.14wols<PROTECTED>
19:34.20piztek3will beryl manager auto start every time?
19:34.30sobersabremzilikazi: besides you can change it to "no" or "without-password"
19:34.36wolspiztek3: put it in your xsession
19:34.41wols!xsession
19:34.41dpkgi heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
19:34.43tarzeauwols: yes it could, and anyone who wouldn't want that could change it again. so what's the point of the discussion?
19:34.53sobersabreas you wish ( Princes Bride (c) )
19:34.56tarzeaumzilikazi: you can do that, as you want
19:34.59wolstarzeau: secure defaults
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19:35.14tarzeauwols: allowing root logins isn't a less secure default
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19:35.26tarzeauwols: however allowing weak passwords is
19:35.31wolsit's one more account exposed to outside
19:35.54stonedtarzeau: how was berlin
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19:35.58pa7iQidentify junkmail
19:35.58tarzeauwols: who cares if you have good passwords?
19:36.13tarzeaustoned: it was munchen, nice, http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/ see the vcfe2007 one
19:36.17marc7are the cpp/gcc/g++ 3.x development packages still really necessary to install on etch with the advent of all the 4.x series versions? will some things refuse to compile under 4?
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19:36.39stonedtarzeau: omg!
19:36.40tarzeaumarc7: no. yes.
19:36.45stonedtarzeau: reminds me of 6th grade
19:36.45marc7cool.
19:36.46stonedlol
19:37.39tarzeauwols: having a car is one thing, not locking it another. the car is not less secure if it has some more doors (and even if you had different keys to them)
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19:37.43wolstarzeau: what needs gcc 3?
19:37.56solemnwarningAnyone know if 192.168.255.*, netmask 255.255.255.0 is a valid network?
19:37.57tarzeauwols: really one more account exposed outside is just a neutral sentence. not better, not worse
19:38.17tarzeauwols: there's some sources that don't build w/ 4. not necessarily free software
19:38.19piztek3wols: where and how do i put it in my xsession?
19:38.20stonedtarzeau: my car has a biometric lock :)
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19:38.28stonedtarzeau:  programmed for my fingers only
19:38.37stonedof course you can still break the glass
19:38.37xingutarzeau: exposing a trusted account violates least privilege.
19:38.40stewstoned: its going to suck when you ahve to change fingers
19:38.40tarzeaustoned: i have a blessed +5 sharp knife
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19:38.45stonedstew:  hahaha
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19:38.54stonedstew: actually I got it right after I moved to nyc
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19:38.56stewthis is the major drawback to biometrics
19:38.57wolspiztek3: you start by reading
19:38.57BSDaemon|workGood afternoon!
19:39.01BSDaemon|workI have two network cards in my box, one is onboard, the other is a card. The card is showing up as eth0 in ifconfig, the onboard one isn't showing up at all. Is there something I need to do to be able to use it?
19:39.04stonedcrime rate = whoah up there
19:39.07piztek3wols: can you just tell me?
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19:39.27wolspiztek3: if you are to lazy to read, I am too lazy to tell you
19:39.32tarzeauBSDaemon|work: load its driver?
19:39.34piztek3please dude
19:39.35wolspiztek3: so we're even, k?
19:39.40tarzeauBSDaemon|work: does it show up in ifconfig -a?
19:39.42stonedwols: nice
19:39.44piztek3wols: please!
19:39.49stonedhehe
19:39.52BSDaemon|worktarzeau:  no sir.
19:39.57wolsBSDaemon|work: ifconfig -a. does it show now?
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19:40.43BSDaemon|worknope.
19:40.56piztek3wols: can't i put a startup in /home/me/autostart
19:40.57tarzeauabrotman: http://kangaroos.istheshit.net/
19:41.11xingutarzeau: there's two vectors to consider; strength/weakness of passwords, and bugs; a strong password is a statement that the accessing the account is improbable; permitrootlogin allows you to deny front-door authentication outright.
19:41.24wolspiztek3: ~/autostart? are you windows damaged?
19:41.37piztek3yes
19:41.42piztek3yes i am!
19:41.46wolsBSDaemon|work: lspci -v. does it show there?
19:41.49JosefAssadheh
19:41.55piztek3wols: seriously i need this to work
19:41.55wols!Pity piztek3
19:41.56dpkgI pity da fool piztek3!
19:42.01piztek3can you please tell me :(
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19:42.12tarzeauxingu: only if the key is right?
19:42.13wolspiztek3: dpkg already told you. scroll up
19:42.20wols!tell piztek3 about xsession
19:42.22FuzzyBCould someone tell me how to force the nfs server in debian to a certain version?
19:42.32xingutarzeau: so does a locked root account or an appropriately crafted pam setup of course; but it's one more knob to misconfigure, defense in depth, and all that tosh.
19:42.49streunerFuzzyB: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
19:42.57piztek3okay too confusing
19:42.57FuzzyBstby
19:42.58BSDaemon|workwols:  no sir. only the card shows.
19:43.12wolsxingu: something like: do security like a landwar in asia: defense in depth?
19:43.34wolsBSDaemon|work: how do you know you have a onboard nic?
19:43.43wolsif it's not showing in lspci in any way, it's not there...
19:43.48BSDaemon|workwols:  because i looked at the box
19:44.03wolsBSDaemon|work: upgrade-pciids
19:44.03mzilikazipiztek3: yeah you can add beryl-manager to your startup script but the actual method varies depending on your window manager
19:44.23xingutarzeau: by front-door I mean that if the authentication code itself is buggy/ suspected to be buggy, there's other aspects to consider; the design center is least-privilege - why on earth do you /need/ remote root login? :)
19:44.28wolsBSDaemon|work: update-pciids rather
19:44.40piztek3mzilikazi: where is the startup script
19:45.00tarzeauxingu: manage a bunch of computers? not like it's not possible without
19:45.03wolspiztek3: now guess what ~/.xsession is? think hard
19:45.06tarzeauxingu: but it really doesn't matter
19:45.17xingutarzeau: it does if all your other defenses fail.
19:45.26FuzzyBstreuner: ii  libc6          2.3.6.ds1-13   GNU C Library: Shared libraries
19:45.26tarzeauxingu: what other defenses?
19:45.36mzilikazipiztek3: again - it depends on your window manager
19:45.43tarzeauxingu: there's a war? someone wants to break into my computer? krum.ethz.ch ?
19:45.43xingutarzeau: the ones protecting your supposedly strong password from interception
19:45.49streunerFuzzyB: and what version do you need?
19:45.56FuzzyBnfs v3
19:45.58FuzzyBon the server
19:46.00wolstarzeau: all seven hundred of us do
19:46.01FuzzyBi think it's running v4
19:46.06tarzeauwols: go ahead
19:46.19tarzeauwols: it allows root logins
19:46.23wolsone half wants to look at your pr0n stash, the other half wants to use you as a free ftp for their pr0n stash
19:47.13FuzzyBso true
19:47.13mzilikazipiztek3: in xfce4 it's ~/.config/autostart/Autostart.desktop
19:47.13tarzeauwols: zero porn @work
19:47.13tarzeauwols: and it has 100mbit internet
19:47.14tarzeauand a 500 gb disk
19:47.14wolswhoohooo! free dump!
19:47.14BSDaemon|workwols:  it says command not found sir
19:47.16xingutarzeau: it's totally theoretical; you're dealing with small improbabilities, not dead-certs or even possibilities; but closing every point of access down to the narrowest credential/trust required with the strongest authentication possible is good-fu
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19:47.38xingutarzeau: it's an easy enough habit to develop and it leaves you with rich audit trails to boot.
19:47.54wolsBSDaemon|work: install pciutils
19:48.01barretjis there any way to get rsync to list all files, even the ones that are already up to date?
19:48.08JosefAssadbloody mosquitoes...
19:48.21barretji tried using the -ii option, but then it also lists symlink information
19:48.27wolsBSDaemon|work: btw, I'm no "sir". I'm just a regular asshole
19:48.38tarzeauxingu: thank you i have read !harden-doc
19:49.10barretjand it's possible that there could be files with '->' or '=>' in their names
19:49.10xingutarzeau: it should be renamed make-more-fragile-doc ;)
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19:49.14BSDaemon|workwols:  just trying to be polite, asshole.
19:49.15BSDaemon|work:)
19:49.30wolsBSDaemon|work: now you're acclimatizing to #debian
19:49.33BSDaemon|workhah
19:49.42BSDaemon|work:D
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19:50.21tarzeauxingu, wols how do you for a in many many2 many3 hosts; do ssh root@$a "echo fix something here and there"; done ?
19:50.21tarzeauxingu: i mean if you're in a hurry and don't want to be interactive
19:50.21tarzeausudo does have its security history too.. you were talking about su...
19:50.27tarzeaunot all hosts necessariy have all users (it's a NIS environment)
19:50.27streunerFuzzyB: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ read section A4
19:50.29stewi almost want on anti-asshole autopilot until i saw the smileys :)
19:50.33FuzzyBthank you
19:50.41FuzzyBi was already there
19:50.47FuzzyBwhen i try that
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19:51.06FuzzyB'vers=4' is not supported.  Use '-t nfs4' instead.
19:51.14BSDaemon|workwols:  I think I'm just gonna toss in another NIC instead of mucking with it.
19:51.24FuzzyBthat's what i get for an answer out of a client if i try to force it to 4
19:51.30Kalistocan anyone tell me how to get aspell to work with Texmaker? i have aspell installed on my system. but there is no option in texmaker to specify a spell checker
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19:51.45xingutarzeau: expect! ;)
19:51.54wolsBSDaemon|work: all I can think of is a NIC disabled in BIOS. untill you see the NIC in lspci -v, linux has of course no chance of using it
19:51.55tarzeauxingu: PLEASE!
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19:52.19BSDaemon|workwols:  yeah, probably true.
19:52.29BSDaemon|workwols:  thanks for the help, i really appreciate it
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19:52.34tarzeauxingu: i dare you, i'll kill da pengaroo http://penguin.istheshit.net/
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19:53.27gonzaloafhi I have changed all my locales from utf-8 to iso8859-1 but in my /etc/environment I still have: LANG="es_PE.UTF-8"
19:53.30gonzaloafwhy?
19:53.40tarzeaugonzaloaf: you didn't change it there?
19:53.54chopsgonzaloaf: I'd recommend changing /etc/environment by hand
19:53.59peterSgonzaloaf: these days 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' changes /etc/default/locale
19:54.04gonzaloaftarzeau, nop, I just runL dpkg-reconfigure locales
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19:54.20xingutarzeau: depends on the system; the nub of your question is - should there be a way to escalate privilege without a challenge/response
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19:54.42gonzaloafchops, you'd recommend o wouldnt recommend?
19:55.02chopsgonzaloaf: I would recommend
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19:55.32xingutarzeau: I've solved the problem in the past with a trusted key login to the account that owns the application binaries; I've also done quick and dirty key login to root
19:55.32gonzaloafpeterS, but after run dpkg-reconfigure it is not supposed to change by  itself?
19:55.37chopsgonzaloaf: In general, anything in /etc is there for you to change to make it work.  The Debian system will make some effort to keep it correct, but...
19:55.37gonzaloafchops, why?
19:55.48peterSgonzaloaf: I told you, it changes /etc/default/locale now, not /etc/environment
19:56.06peterSgonzaloaf: you should probably just remove that line from /etc/environment and let the other one work
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19:56.38marc7could someone give me the two cent explanation between gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.1-base... I'm guessing the 'base' package includes some required operating system elements but no compiler binaries... which is what the straight gcc-4.1 package satisfies
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19:56.50xingutarzeau: but you've just flagged the reason why I got out of security as a career path - to me, pretty much every security issue quickly devolves to being a deployment/ provisioning problem
19:57.35xingutarzeau: solve the "how do I change the environment quickly" and the rest falls into line; these days I work with systems and applications that are designed to be reprovisioned quickly.
19:58.01gonzaloafpeterS, how can I do to set my system in one language but keeping my country's locales? I mean the currency, time format, etc.
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19:58.06streunerFuzzyB: what does 'cat /proc/version' say?
19:58.18FuzzyBstby
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19:59.01mark_swe have a 3ware raid controller with 256MB memory on our debian etch system. When the MacOsx clients write a file to the server. It doesn't show up immediately it takes about 30 seconds to appear. why is that?
19:59.07peterSgonzaloaf: that is what the various LC_* variables are for.  LC_MESSAGES is for language, LC_CTYPE is for character set.  so you can set those independently of the others.
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19:59.45gikidLadies and gentlemen
19:59.50gonzaloafpeterS, in /etc/environment right?
19:59.53gikidI have an announcement
19:59.56gikidTITS
20:00.02gikidthat is all
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20:00.06peterSgonzaloaf: sure
20:00.10FuzzyBLinux version 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 12:49:59 CEST 2007
20:00.32gonzaloafpeterS, so the correct way is to set dpkg-reconfigure locales in spanish and then just set the environment variables to english?
20:00.37SoulChildHey guys,... how do i add "testing" and "unstable" packages to my sources ???
20:00.42FuzzyBit's a x64 etch box
20:00.48SoulChildi mean where do i get the links from
20:01.06streuner!bobbitt
20:01.06dpkgRemember Lorena Bobbitt?  Remember what she did to her husband's woody?  Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system.
20:01.21mzilikazibahaha
20:01.24peterSgonzaloaf: if you need to set those variables separately, the actual default locale from 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' isn't too important - you just need to select the list of locales you want generated (for all those purposes - currency, time, charset, language).
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20:01.44SoulChildstreuner: war das für mich ?
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20:01.58streunerSoulChild: klar ;-)
20:02.21peterSgonzaloaf: indeed, most of those - language, currency, time - are rather personal and probably should be set in $HOME/.bashrc and similar anyway.  I mean if you have multiple users, they might have different preferences.
20:02.22streunerSoulChild: if you looking for something to shoot yourself into your foot, just go ahead :-)
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20:02.33SoulChild???
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20:02.52wolsSoulChild: you stay with one branch of debian. mixing them is a good way to fuck up your system
20:02.55wolsso don't do it
20:02.59gonzaloafpeterS, sure, thanks buddy
20:03.36streunerFuzzyB: iam out of ideas, etch just support NFSv4
20:03.45FuzzyBkk
20:03.46FuzzyBthanks
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20:04.25streunerFuzzyB: you are using nfs-kernel-server, right?
20:04.34FuzzyBno
20:04.36FuzzyBi'm not
20:05.00streunerinstall that on your server
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20:05.51FuzzyBi'll try it
20:05.53streuner!info nfs-kernel-server
20:05.58dpkgnfs-kernel-server: (support for NFS kernel server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 352 kB
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20:07.08Chris-NBhi
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20:08.24Chris-NBIf I use the kernel from the dep packet (linux-image) how 'secure' is an upgrade to a new version (from deb)
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20:08.34Chris-NBor, would you do such an upgrade remotly?
20:08.58chopsChris-NB: I would do such an upgrade remotely, but I would bite my nails a lot
20:08.59wolsof ot
20:09.08wolsif it'S stable: fairly "secure"
20:09.30Chris-NBchops, that's what I feel right now : /
20:09.35chopsChris-NB: It might be worth talking to your hosting people about when you're going to do it, so they can have someone ready to go hands-on if necessary (and so you can do it at a convenient time for them)
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20:09.43untitledanyone noticed that ktorrent is crashing in etch4.0?
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20:09.54untitledwith "authentication failure" reason in logfile
20:09.56chopsChris-NB: Not that doing that helped, the last time a remote reboot went sour for me #$*&#$
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20:10.19Chris-NBchops, it's my own server but it's in my office and I'm at home so I've to go there if something happens : D
20:10.26chopsuntitled: Checked the BTS?
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20:10.36untitledchops: what are they?
20:10.37chopsChris-NB: Is there any reason you can't wait a few days until you can be in the office?
20:10.44chops!tell untitled about bts
20:11.21Chris-NBchops, nop, there is no reason. but I want to inform myself if I can/could/should do that remotly
20:11.47Chris-NBchops, I'm there tomorrow morning, but now I'm not disturbing anyone
20:12.35chopsChris-NB: Theoretically it's safe (if it's stable; if it's not a stable upgrade you're asking to get screwed).  If you can go in if anything goes wrong, and if today is a less disruptive time for a reboot than tomorrow will be, then I say go for it.
20:12.39Chris-NBwols, it's stable
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20:13.22untitledchops: found nothing usefull in there..=\
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20:14.02chopsChris-NB: It's not so much that the new kernel might have broken something, as that something might have changed in the interim that makes your system not boot correctly.  My hosting people peeing all over /etc/network/interfaces without telling me was what screwed me, for example.
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20:15.16chopsuntitled: If it's crashing, I'd recommend filing a bug.  Even if something is set up incorrectly on your system, an actual seg fault is never correct behavior.
20:15.28enoufsounds like the best time might be an hour before you go into work ;-) ... IOW at a time when; "well, i was going in anyway"
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20:16.21fluffI've just finished installing the debian etch from a netinst. Problem is network device isn't working (not even found). I cannot figure this out since the installer itself used the networking device to get files needed for install. Any hints?
20:16.22Chris-NBchops, my hosting people is me, so If I change something I should know it ; )
20:16.39wolsfluff: what network card?
20:16.49wolsfluff: is the device showing in ifconfig -a?
20:16.54fluffIt isn't.
20:17.04fluffIt's an onboard on an Asus A8V-E SE card.
20:17.06wolsthen no driver is loaded
20:17.09wolslspci -v
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20:17.29fluffSome broadcom I suspect, trying
20:17.29chopsChris-NB: Fair enough.
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20:17.45nikinhy... how can i upgrade from etch to sid?
20:17.51wolsMarvell 88E8053 controller it seems
20:18.10chopsnikin: If you have to ask you may not want to upgrade to sid... it breaks badly sometimes, and you need to know how to fix it.
20:18.12fluffDoesn't sound wrong :) What to look for in the printout?
20:18.13cydork!iyhtaysdi nikin
20:18.24cydork!iyhtays nikin
20:18.24dpkgnikin: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't.
20:18.34wolsfluff: lspci -v. look for Ethernet
20:18.38Decepticonhow do i use a .deb file
20:18.45Chris-NBchops, k, I'll reboot my box : D
20:18.46cydorkDecepticon: man dpkg
20:18.48wolsDecepticon: dpkg -i. man dpkg
20:18.50chopsnikin: Have you considered testing instead?  Why do you need to upgrade?
20:18.53untitledchops: it is not a segfault, tail logfile gives me "authentication to 'ip address' : failure
20:19.01untitledand then crash
20:19.09chopsuntitled: What do you mean by 'crash'?
20:19.21untitledchops: chops ktorrent crashes ;)
20:19.34chopsuntitled: The window closes suddenly with no explanation, you mean?
20:19.35nikinchops: XFCE4.4.1 is the main reason... and Anjuta 2.x and so on... so i need some newer stuff
20:19.41fluffThe word 'ethernet' doesn't even come up in that whole printout (lspci -v).
20:19.49chopsnikin: I'd try testing first :-)
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20:20.01nikinchops: ok
20:20.03untitledchops: dunno how, i didn't see it, just came over and saw no ktorrent running anymore
20:21.05nikinchops: and how to do that?
20:21.07chopsuntitled: Hm, if you have some idea of what happened or how to reproduce it then I recommend filing a bug... but without more details the maintainer is not likely to be able to help you much.  If you don't know what happened, how should he? :-)
20:21.35Decepticonok i have sarge right now. i want to be able to put etch on my machine and still have all my stuff, all i need to do is take everything (the .settings files) and save them to a backup while i install etch?
20:21.44enouffluff: lspci | grep -i eth
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20:22.14wolsDecepticon: while a backup is always good, usually not necessary with a debian upgrade
20:22.17enouffluff: you sure the installer didn't use any Gbit ieee1394/ohci device?
20:22.26Decepticonwols what do you mean its not necessary
20:23.13wolsDecepticon: if you backup /etc, /home and depemding what you run /var, you are covered
20:23.13fluffWow, sorry, I missed that. Says 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Tehnology [..] etc.
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20:23.14wolsDecepticon: you jsut upgrade and your stuff, data and settings are still there
20:23.14enoufer etc is important ;-P
20:23.14nikinwhat xfce4 verson is in testing?
20:23.14chopsnikin: Change 'stable' or 'etch' to 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade.  Be careful; even testing breaks sometimes, and there's no way to downgrade back to etch if you don't like it.
20:23.14Decepticonwols is there a way i can update to etch without having to reformat
20:23.14chops!info xfce4 testing
20:23.17dpkgxfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
20:23.18wolschops: testing is not etch
20:23.28wols!tell Decepticon about sarge->etch
20:23.29fluffI'm quite sure the installer downloaded much of the system whilst installing (the desktop environment presumably).
20:23.38chopswols: When did I say it was?
20:23.54wolschops: sry. msiread
20:24.07nikinchops: thats no problem.. until the kernel dont breaks :D
20:24.33Decepticonwols that sounds like a lot of crap i dont want to do
20:24.47Decepticonits easier for me to just format and update
20:24.58wolsDecepticon: it's definitely a lot less crap than reinstalling
20:25.12wolsDecepticon: it certainly is not easire to reformat
20:25.38fluffI have to say I'm not quite sure on what to do with this newfound information. Is there a command or something that lets me enable this device? (still talking about networking)
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20:25.55wolsfluff: modprobe the driver
20:25.57chopsDecepticon: The upgrade process for Debian is substantially easier than for most OSes.  That is to say, it more or less works correctly.
20:26.14wolsthen edit /etc/interaces (usually 2 simple lines only)
20:26.18wolsthen you're done
20:26.26enouf!tell fluff anout which driver
20:26.31fluffThanks, will figure that out :)
20:26.35enouf!tell fluff about which driver
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20:26.49wolsDecepticon: put it antoher way, debian is almost the only OS designed to be upgraded constantly this way
20:28.28untitledchops: i guess i just have to write a script to look up for ktorrent in ps aux every 2 minutes, by the way, do you now how to bash this: if not found in process list?
20:29.05plundra/"/lastlog -file ~/nic_irssi/#debian -yes"
20:29.12chopsuntitled: if ps -Af | grep -v grep | grep -q ktorrent; then echo yes; fi
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20:30.01untitledchops: i mean if it is not found
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20:30.36chopsuntitled: Use a !
20:30.44untitledoh ok
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20:30.46untitledthanks
20:30.49chopsuntitled: np
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20:31.30Decepticonis this the correct netinst for the latest debian etch ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent
20:32.12guissI've got problems trying to download java applets in Iceweasel with ipv6 enabled. Anyone knows where I could find some info about this?
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20:33.25Chris-NBchops, my box restarted successfully : D
20:33.32chopsChris-NB: Rock and roll
20:33.45Chris-NBchops, jep!
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20:34.38khaleel5000i have debian etch (got the ISO in november 2006 when it was frozen). I have USR 56k External modem, I  use pppconfig to configure/maintain my INternet connection .I havee thsi problem http://rafb.net/p/qGjVa039.html    [i am not issueing SIGHUP to my modem]
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20:40.07yumigatorI accidentally added a CD twice with apt-cdrom. Is is smart enough not to add the same CD a second time or do I need to remove it?
20:40.09jelly-homekhaleel5000: I have no idea, but try enabling debug to see more details, maybe something helpful will pop up
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20:40.59wolskhaleel5000: tried atdtw or atdt,, to dial?
20:41.09jelly-homekhaleel5000: note that some of the debug data might end in /var/log/kern.log
20:41.14wolskhaleel5000: also you should update/uprgade your debian
20:41.40wolsyumigator: look int your sources.list
20:41.59sanelsonhow does one get rsync to synchronise two dirs? ie to make them identical, even if that means pushing in one direction and pulling in the other?
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20:42.37jelly-homewols: hm, if pppd establishes the line and runs for a short time, what would a pause do?
20:42.56khaleel5000wols: how do i change atdtw or atdt to dial ?
20:43.11jelly-homesanelson: hm. Maybe use something like unison for that?
20:43.41khaleel5000jelly-home: i have asked to nano /var..... but it seems to be quite a bit file (even for my 1gb ram p4 , its still workign)
20:43.41jelly-home!info unison etch
20:43.46dpkgunison: (A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows), section net, is optional. Version: 2.13.16-5 (etch), Packaged size: 466 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB
20:44.11jelly-homekhaleel5000: use less to look at logs (or other long text files)
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20:44.53sanelsonthing is - I used rsync to make a copy of somene's machine; the user then used the machine with the copy on it, and has added files to it; now they have their old machine back - I want to sync the two dirs, so th eold machine has the chnages from the new
20:45.10yumigatorIt's only in there once, but that's been overwritten (also by accident). Could you post your /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list and I'll compare?
20:45.48jelly-homesanelson: so rsync using new as source and old as destination?
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20:47.00jelly-homesanelson: rsync has a lot of options,         -u, --update -- skip files that are newer on the receiver might be helpful
20:47.16jelly-homesanelson: if you've changed files on both ends
20:47.20valdynkhaleel5000: why do you not have a dialtone?
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20:50.29yumigatorwols: my /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list has the same ID in there twice (I only have one CD), does yours?
20:51.47karstenWhat tools are recommended for panorama stitching w/ gimp?  I've found hugin and eblend, any experiences w/ either?  Also autopano-sift
20:52.15khaleel5000valdyn: well sometimes if you pick up the phoe and put it back and re pick it with like VERY little gap , it goes 'dead' for a while , so it might have disconnected or something and i might have picked it up or retried to connect immediately and recieved this error
20:52.41zinxkarsten: hugin and enblend (and possibly autopano-sift) are your best bets - they work pretty well as far as panorama software goes
20:52.59zinxat least newer versions of hugin.. old ones liked to crash a whole lot :D
20:53.40valdynkhaleel5000: ah, ok, so that's not your issue..
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20:55.16wolsyumigator: I don't have any CDs in there. I only update over the netwrok
20:55.19valdynkhaleel5000: you have dial on demand on / always on off
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20:56.26yumigatorwols: I guess I'll just do some trial and error then.
20:56.28yumigatorthanks
20:56.44khaleel5000valdyn: its off
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20:57.21karstenzinx: Danke
20:57.30valdynkhaleel5000: what's your issue then?
20:57.34khaleel5000wols: are atdt.... modem init strings?
20:57.40valdynkhaleel5000: see if the connection persists if you keep a ping running
20:57.49yumigatorwols: I deleted one entry and updated; nothing happened so I guess I'm alright now.
20:58.09khaleel5000valdyn: my line gets disconnected (sometimes) very frequently and error i get is SIGHUP [i am not the one issueing sighup]
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20:58.53valdynkhaleel5000: no, but it hangs up automagically when there's no traffic
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21:00.43gonzaloafKevin`, are you there?
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21:02.13khaleel5000valdyn: so it can be chnaged by ?  Persist      disabled             Turn persist on or off          [changing persistant on to Enabled] ?
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21:02.37valdynkhaleel5000: guess so, its been years since i used this
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21:03.39khaleel5000valdyn: no sorry , there is an option for Idle timeout (its selected to none) whats idle timeout [If you want this PPP link to shut down automatically when it has been idle   │ │ for a certain number of seconds, put that number here.  Leave this blank     │ │ if you want no idle shutdown at all
21:03.53karstenUm, how do I handle exif w/ gimp?
21:04.00khaleel5000valdyn: so i guess its not that issue
21:04.18valdynkhaleel5000: that's the default?
21:05.07Vladihi, is there a bash equivalent shell that logs everything to a file so i can monitor a specific user?
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21:05.34karstenVladi: tcpspy.  Bash logs to history, but only on exit.
21:05.40khaleel5000valdyn: yeah thats the default
21:05.52karstenVladi: We might ask why you want to do that.
21:06.28Vladikarsten: we have a consoltant that wants root on a box i want to give him a special shell but log all his session
21:06.42tsurkohello, could you tell me which tool is used if i want to scan for available wireless networks?
21:07.49khaleel5000jelly-home: i am going down the kern.log ,but its like STUCK at this http://rafb.net/p/qRZdfU30.html
21:08.05karstenVladi: bash history logs what happens.  Running in typescript as well.
21:08.46mzilikazitstplsignr: iwlist
21:08.46karstenVladi: If he's root he can detect and/or change either.  I'd have him run under typescript and know that you're doing it.
21:08.46mzilikazierrr @ tsurko
21:08.58tsurkomzilikazi, thank you
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21:09.17mzilikazitsurko: np
21:09.38DDubyaI'm running the htop command, and under the variable labeled NI (after PID, USER, PRI) my perl daemon is marked in red "15".  What does this mean??
21:09.39tsurkoI remember it was something like that, but didn't know it's in wireless-tools..
21:09.51jduggan_does anyone know a useable torrent client for console that ships in debian etch?
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21:10.39Killuxhow do I install the kernel sources
21:10.56Killuxfor kernel 2.6.18-4-686
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21:11.28vietaminehello
21:11.59FuzzyBKillux: use apt-cache and search for kernel sources
21:12.02tsurkojudgen_, rtorrnet?
21:12.15vietamineanyone can help me disable an kernel module plz ?
21:12.17tsurkoups, my mistake
21:12.17Killuxthe kernel sources will be located here correct /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build ?
21:12.21vietaminei tried to modify udev.rules
21:12.25vietamineto get it ignored
21:12.29FuzzyBKillux: no /usr/src
21:12.29vietaminebut still load at boot
21:12.32tsurkojduggan_, rtorrent?
21:12.38Killuxwhats located there then?
21:12.45FuzzyBkernel modules
21:12.49FuzzyBbinaries
21:12.54KilluxMakefile:24: *** Kernel in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build is not configured.  Stop.
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21:13.07KilluxIm trying to compile a wireless driver and i get that error
21:13.08FuzzyByour in the wrong directory
21:13.27Killuxthat directory doesnt even exist on my machine
21:13.36FuzzyBthat's because you haven't installed the kernel sources
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21:14.02Killuxok, so I should just install the sources and everything should be fine?
21:14.07FuzzyBno
21:14.16FuzzyByou should read up on kernels and debian and know what your doing first
21:14.16naitramhow do you set up  a script to run as a daemon? I Have a php script I would like to run in the background on startup
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21:14.44KilluxFuzzyB: thats pretty broad
21:15.02FuzzyBnaitram: i'm not sure if php can do what you need, but you can write a perl wrapper to turn it into a daemon
21:15.02FuzzyBKillux: so's your statements but whatever
21:15.19vietaminenaitram : i think you should specify the interpreter at beginning of the file
21:15.19Killuxhow are my statements broad?
21:15.29Killuxim just asking what that error means
21:15.32DDubyaKillux: Its not windows
21:15.52Killuxyea, I think im that far DDubya
21:15.57DDubyagood =)
21:16.31FuzzyBKillux: and i told you, you need to read before you even think your going to compile a driver. You have shown us that you don't know how to compile a kernel yet, and that's really a pre-rec. for doing this
21:16.58FuzzyBif you can't compile a kernel what makes you think you can compile a driver?
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21:17.08vietamineFuzzyB : plz could you help me disable a module with udev ?
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21:17.22FuzzyBvietamine: what module?
21:17.26FuzzyBand it's not udev that you disable it by
21:17.28vietaminei tried to modify udev.rules with option "ignore_device"
21:17.30FuzzyBudev is your device tree
21:17.39vietamineyep
21:17.39vietaminebut
21:17.40FuzzyBjust blacklist the module
21:17.49Killuxwell FuzzyB can you provide me with some links at least/
21:17.52vietaminei did : modprobe -r bcm43xx
21:17.54Killux*?
21:17.55vietaminedepmod -a
21:17.59vietamineetc...
21:18.02FuzzyBKillux: yes hang on
21:18.04vietaminebut still loading at boot time
21:18.19FuzzyBKillux: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html
21:18.29FuzzyB!dpkg blacklist modules
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21:19.02purplepenguinsit's my birthday
21:19.04purplepenguinsgo me
21:19.21vietaminethe reason why i want it to be ignored it is the support is bad for my model and i need to run ndiswrapper to use it
21:19.30FuzzyBvietamine: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112273
21:19.31vietamineso i don't want it from the kernel anymore
21:19.32nhuisman_workhi fuzzy
21:19.44FuzzyBhelo
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21:19.57FuzzyBwhat's up
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21:20.08nhuisman_worknot much, just got done unpacking a new printer
21:20.14nhuisman_workgotta add it to my cups server now
21:20.20FuzzyBfun fun
21:20.31wintixfun, if it's post script capable.
21:20.34nhuisman_workyeah, more fun then helping users with their email :P
21:20.55Killuxso FuzzyB do I need to compile my kernel before I can compile and load drivers from sourcde?
21:20.58Killux*source
21:21.07FuzzyBno you don't
21:21.09nhuisman_workpostscript level 3
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21:21.24dZen|n|nhuisman_work: hahah, "what should I write in pop3 ? "
21:21.29FuzzyBbut you should know how to compile a kernel before you start compiling drivers
21:22.01Killuxto tell you the truth, I didnt really understand the link you gave me
21:22.08vietaminethx FuzzyB i will try it now :)
21:22.31FuzzyBKillux: and that's my point
21:22.32Killuxdo you know of any links that give an intro to kernels and compiling them? =]
21:22.41nhuisman_workpopsecret.orville.redenbachers
21:22.48FuzzyB!dpkg compile kernel
21:23.03vietamineFuzzyB : i have no modprobe.conf should i create it or see in modprobe.d dir ?
21:23.10wintix!kernel compile
21:23.10dpkgwell, kernel compile is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)
21:23.26FuzzyBthere you go Killux
21:23.32FuzzyBwintix++
21:23.38Killuxthanks.
21:23.41vietamineFuzzyB : sorry seen blacklist file in modprobe.d
21:23.45FuzzyBvietamine: yea
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21:25.17nhuisman_work"compile kernel" ----> pop pop pop pop pop..
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21:25.46FuzzyBif he would just read he'd know he only needs the headers
21:25.57FuzzyBbut o well you can lead a horse to water but you can't beat them into drinking
21:26.18nhuisman_worktheir's always a syringe
21:26.22karstenFuzzyB: As my grandfather always said...
21:26.22khaleel5000my /var/log/kern.log is 143 mb , is it safe to delete it?
21:26.35karstenFuzzyB: ... you can lead a horse to a bar, but if he drinks, you've *really* got problems.
21:26.35amphi!seen maddash
21:26.35dpkgmaddash <n=maddash@unaffiliated/maddash> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 46m 28s ago, saying: 'flyinflash: no.'.
21:26.36FuzzyBsure just remember to touch the file
21:26.43karstenFuzzyB: ...not to mention one heck of a tab.
21:26.44FuzzyBand install logrotate
21:26.56FuzzyBno shit
21:26.56nhuisman_workthat isn't installed by default in debian?
21:27.04FuzzyBit should be
21:27.05vietamineFuzzyB : it works great, thx a lot
21:27.09FuzzyBnp
21:27.43FuzzyBkarsten: i know horses that love beer
21:28.00karstenFuzzyB: So ...
21:28.07karstenFuzzyB: ... what's _your_ bar tab look like?
21:28.09nhuisman_worksounds like a good way to break your neck, riding a drunk horse, heh
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21:28.26FuzzyBkarsten: generally only two beers
21:28.31nhuisman_work5 gallons of new castle.
21:28.41nhuisman_workand guniness
21:28.49nhuisman_workGuinness
21:28.52karstennhuisman_work: Think of it as early work on ethonol-powered transportation.
21:28.52FuzzyBnhuisman_work: you know how much beer it would take to get a horse drunk?
21:29.03nhuisman_worki'm just guessing 5 gallons would probably do it
21:29.08FuzzyBhrm
21:29.09karstenFuzzyB: If you could drink a horse, I'd pay to watch.
21:29.16FuzzyBheh
21:29.18nhuisman_workuhhh karsten, lol
21:29.35nhuisman_worklol
21:29.36FuzzyBjk
21:29.43wintixyou just have to work it through a mixer.
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21:30.05nhuisman_workwell lets see
21:30.10karstenFuzzyB: Didn't say I'd pay a lot.
21:30.51FuzzyBi didn't say the dvd had anything on it
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21:31.18karstenFuzzyB: It's the old exploding penny trick, you see.
21:31.22FuzzyBah
21:31.28FuzzyBdamm meddling kids
21:31.31nhuisman_worktake your average woman, ~120lbs : probably take about a six pack to get them drunk.  A horse is ~1200lbs, so 10x that.  6x12ozx10 = 720 / 128 = 5.625 gallons
21:31.32nhuisman_worklol
21:31.36nhuisman_workhow good of a guess was that
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21:31.41scyrmawhen I try "glxgears", the whole system freezes for 5 seconds, then I get a (decent?) 245fps display.  If the cursor moves in ou out of the window, everything freezes again (for 5 sec).  Any ideas?
21:31.43FuzzyBhey wait i have a bac calculator
21:31.46FuzzyBgimmie a second
21:31.46muhoo_using intel chip and Xorg, how can i set up a laptop to use both the internal lcd and the external analog monitor, when both have different resolutions and timings?
21:32.29muhoo_i.e. the internal lcd is 1200x800, the external is 1440x900, different aspect ratios, and different hsync/vsync intervals too
21:32.31FuzzyBif a 1000 lb horse drinks 40 beers in one hour it's bac is 0.1377
21:32.55karstenscyrma: Yeah.
21:32.56FuzzyBmuhoo_: i'm not sure if that is possible
21:32.59karstenscyrma: Don't do that ;-)
21:33.00muhoo_nhuisman_work: you are trying to get a horse drunk and take advantage of it??!
21:33.07muhoo_that's fucked up
21:33.16nhuisman_workfun and profit....
21:33.23FuzzyBhey anything to make a buck
21:33.23KilluxFuzzyB: i cant seem to find the package name for the kernel sources
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21:33.33scyrmakarsten, I wouldn't ... but I have the same problem with other apps, like openoffice ...
21:33.35muhoo_<PROTECTED>
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21:33.42scyrmaI thought it would be opengl-related...
21:33.44Killuxi did apt-cache search kernel-source
21:33.50karstenFuzzyB: If you can work out what a horse's blood volume is, figure 0.05% for legally too drunk to drive in most states.
21:33.56FuzzyBKillux: take the - out
21:34.06nhuisman_workfuzzyb: of course you know a horse can drink 5 gallons in like 10 minutes.
21:34.12FuzzyByea
21:34.15karstenscyrma: Got enough ram, are you swapping?
21:34.15Killuxstill nothing
21:34.22wintixKillux: linux-source
21:34.36FuzzyBapt-cache search kernel | grep source
21:34.37scyrmakarsten, enough ram, no swapping, everything else runs just fine
21:34.41FuzzyBor linu
21:34.42FuzzyBx
21:34.47Killuxok got it
21:34.55muhoo_besides, the only women i know that *would* drink an entire six pack, don't get drunk off of it :-)
21:35.03muhoo_that's why they do it
21:35.04FuzzyBhell
21:35.29muhoo_see, they're smarter than we are
21:35.29nhuisman_workhehe muhoo good point
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21:35.30FuzzyBif i drink a six pack these days i get a real nice buz
21:35.43FuzzyBbut i drink good beer
21:35.49FuzzyBand not often
21:35.50nhuisman_worki'd need to drink a six pack in rapid fashino
21:35.56nhuisman_workwhich is a waste of good beer
21:36.03FuzzyB6 pack and some counter strike
21:36.04nhuisman_workI like dark beers
21:36.07FuzzyBme too
21:36.15nhuisman_workwhite lightning obsidian stout!
21:36.19nhuisman_workmmm 12%
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21:36.23muhoo_i like my beer like my women: dark and stout
21:36.27muhoo_and cold
21:36.32nhuisman_workhehe ok dwarf
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21:36.49dZen|n|lol I thought cs were dead :D
21:36.51en1gmasup all
21:36.56FuzzyBcs isn't dead
21:37.00en1gmawhat = 'netcardconfig' in debian
21:37.06nhuisman_workI'm waiting for enemy territory quake wars
21:37.07FuzzyBhuh?
21:37.09muhoo_ok, no ideas on this x configuration thing, eh?
21:37.14nhuisman_workvi /etc/network/interfaces
21:37.16en1gmaim getting a dhcp error when i boot up each time
21:37.31nhuisman_worken1gma: vi /etc/network/interfaces
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21:37.44en1gmai know the location of the config file
21:37.47nhuisman_workso edit it
21:37.50en1gmathat is NOY what i asked
21:37.59FuzzyBwhat does noy mean?
21:38.00en1gmai asked what is similar to netcardconfig
21:38.01nhuisman_workI know, i'm just trying to force you to use the text way :P
21:38.02FuzzyBthat's what i ask
21:38.05en1gmanoy = not
21:38.13FuzzyBthen why not just say not
21:38.22en1gmaill ask again
21:38.34en1gmawhat is similar to 'netcardconfig' for debian
21:38.35FuzzyBwhat distro are you comming from?
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21:38.41en1gmaslackware
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21:38.54en1gmawhat is the network configurator
21:38.57en1gmafor debian
21:39.00wintixifconfig
21:39.01FuzzyB<PROTECTED>
21:39.05FuzzyByou do it all there
21:39.07FuzzyBwith a text editor
21:39.09en1gmathat is just the config file
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21:39.15en1gmai know the fdifference
21:39.15alaya_en1gma: man interfaces
21:39.20FuzzyByea
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21:39.29en1gmai know that but you are still not answering what i ask
21:39.36nhuisman_worktheir probably isn't one
21:39.39nhuisman_workunless it is netconfig
21:39.39en1gmawhat is the network configurator "TOOL"
21:39.45FuzzyBthere isn't
21:39.46FuzzyBit's called vi
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21:39.49wintixen1gma: vim.
21:39.55nhuisman_workthere is probably a package that does it somewhere
21:39.57nhuisman_workno idea what it is
21:39.59muhoo_pay no attention to the error message behind the curtain:
21:39.59en1gmawhen linux boots it autoconfigs the network
21:40.00muhoo_(II) I810(0): RandR enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
21:40.04karstenWhat's average alchohol content for beer?  5-6%, or more like 3%?
21:40.04en1gmawhat tool ddoes it use
21:40.10diepesgnome has a network config tool ?  or am i wrong.
21:40.12wintixen1gma: the config and ifconfig
21:40.14nhuisman_workguiness is actually really low, like 3.5%
21:40.17nhuisman_workdark beers 6+
21:40.24nhuisman_workamerican shit beer 3-5
21:40.30FuzzyBkarsten: 3-10
21:40.39muhoo_american and australian  "beer" is goat piss
21:40.44Roninand american good beer anywhere in the mid 3s to high 9s
21:40.47Roninor higher
21:40.52FuzzyBmuhoo_: there's some good american beers
21:40.59muhoo_microbrew, yeah
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21:41.00nhuisman_workand by american beer I mean non micro-brewed
21:41.04FuzzyBok
21:41.05wintixbavarian beer for the win :)
21:41.07nhuisman_workobviously the west coast has hundreds of good beers
21:41.12FuzzyByea
21:41.15FuzzyBportland has been nice to me
21:41.20nhuisman_work*drool*
21:41.22diepesen1gma: the interfaces file, controlls static, dhcp and even wifi
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21:41.25Roninever notice how i always chirp in when the talk turns to beer? heh
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21:41.28en1gmai know this
21:41.34en1gmaim not asking about the config file
21:41.39nhuisman_worken1gma: so why don't you use it then
21:41.41en1gmaim asking for the tool to configure that file
21:41.44Decepticonwhat do i select at this screen if all i want is a command prompt and apt-get capabilities: http://silenceisdefeat.org/~deltron/Image0000.jpg
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21:41.51stewRonin: i'm halfway done constructing my HERMS
21:41.53FuzzyBcute
21:41.56FuzzyBjust flood my screen
21:41.57en1gmawhy do ppl insist on not giving info that ppl ask on
21:41.57Decepticonwhat is standard system in that screen above that i linked
21:41.57diepesen1gma: a text editor
21:41.59karstenOK, so, a horse has about 40 liters of blood, legally drunk = 0.08% BAC, would be 0.02l of alcohol, or about 0.4 liters of beer, unless I've misplaced a decimal point.
21:42.02en1gmait really is amazing
21:42.16FuzzyBwhoever just pasted that picutre
21:42.19Roninen1gma: and we find it amazing that you cant use a text editor
21:42.22FuzzyBjust hit contiune
21:42.26nhuisman_workuh
21:42.29nhuisman_work0.4 liters?
21:42.30nhuisman_workthat's nothing
21:42.32diepesen1gma: there is no debian tool, gnome and kde each has one.
21:42.32wintixDecepticon: select nothing to get a base system
21:42.33DecepticonFuzzyB, what is standard system
21:42.34en1gmaso let me get this right....debian has a tool to build kernels (many distros dont) but it dont have a tool to configure network?
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21:42.39nhuisman_worki think you got something wrong
21:42.41Decepticonwintix what is 'standard system'
21:42.43FuzzyBDecepticon: just that a base standard install
21:42.48Decepticonexcuse me?
21:42.49wintixDecepticon: tools like vim, ..
21:42.50Roninen1gma: correct, but some of the wm/des do
21:42.59Decepticoni dont want anything at all
21:43.09FuzzyBnot even apt?
21:43.10nhuisman_workdecepticon just go from there
21:43.13Decepticoni want apt
21:43.15FuzzyBok
21:43.15nhuisman_worktrust me, you want the base system
21:43.18FuzzyBthen hit continue and shut up
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21:43.22en1gmathe kde tool dont work correct...it dont write to the interfaces file
21:43.22nhuisman_workhehe
21:43.27Decepticonwhat is this base system you're talking about
21:43.33nhuisman_work"STandard system"
21:43.36nhuisman_workthe one you have checked
21:43.40wintixDecepticon: get the base system has apt. just select nothing and you will end up with a bare minimum. from there on you have to install everything else
21:43.44Roninthen either use the gnome one or a bloody editor
21:43.46Decepticonwhat happens if i dont select 'standard system'
21:43.53nhuisman_workthen you get jack shit
21:43.56nhuisman_workand it is pretty unusable
21:43.57wintixDecepticon: apt-get will be included in the bare minimum
21:44.01FuzzyBlook at what wintix said
21:44.04Decepticondo i get apt if i dont select 'standard system'
21:44.11FuzzyBhe just said it twice
21:44.12wintixDecepticon: can you read?
21:44.16FuzzyBi don't think he needs to say it again
21:44.21Decepticonwell nhuisman2 is confusing me
21:44.26Decepticonnhuisman_work
21:44.27FuzzyBignore him for a minute
21:44.31nhuisman_worki'm shutting up and reading
21:44.37Roninstew: a herms? i hate you, im still on propane, but im at least up to 40L brews
21:44.49Decepticonwintix i am deselecting standard system, then
21:45.01wintixDecepticon: yes. keep in mind, you even have to install stuff like vim
21:45.06Decepticonthats fine
21:45.08Decepticonall i need is apt
21:45.11en1gmaK-menu>Settings>Internet and Network>Network Settings tool does not WRITE to the /etc/network/interfaces.conf file
21:45.12en1gmawhy
21:45.19FuzzyBno one cares
21:45.21FuzzyBit's KDE
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21:45.37en1gmaFuzzyB dont be a fucking trolll
21:45.37FuzzyBi'm not
21:45.40en1gmaim asking questions please stop trolling
21:45.41FuzzyBeveryone has told you what you need to do
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21:45.45FuzzyBquit being a fucking retard
21:45.48Roninen1gma: ask #kde
21:45.53en1gmaok thanks
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21:46.01en1gmadidnt know there was a channel for #kjde
21:46.11FuzzyBsounds like a good place for you
21:46.16FuzzyByou might try #windows too
21:46.18nhuisman_worklol
21:46.20wintix:)
21:46.27flipflopOk, I did the stupidest thing I've ever done.  If someone can help me, I'll name all my children after you, I swear.
21:46.32stewRonin: do you bottle or keg?
21:46.35nhuisman_workbtw anyone, where can I find a list of the stuff in the "standard install" just curious.
21:46.38FuzzyBflipflop: we can't help if you don't tell us what's up
21:46.41Roninstew: keg unless its somethign like a barelywine
21:46.44Roninyou?
21:46.50wintixflipflop: don't ask to ask
21:46.55stewRonin: i'm goign to switch to kegs
21:47.02nhuisman_workpony kegs..
21:47.05stewRonin: how do you cool yours?  do you have a dedicated fridge?
21:47.10flipflopI did tar -xzvf instead of tar -czvf and accidentally rolled back all my projects to the way they were about a month ago....
21:47.21FuzzyBoops
21:47.25flipflopoops is right
21:47.27nhuisman_workyou're done
21:47.28stewRonin: i just don't know that I'm going to get away with a dedicated fridge/chest freezer just yet
21:47.31diepesany recommendation for a good firewall script ?       being modular, with rules for each vpn client, dialup client etc.
21:47.34Roninstew: yep, picked up a used fridge as a kegerator
21:47.43FuzzyBdiepes: try #iptables
21:47.48nhuisman_workwhat about shorewall?
21:47.54flipflopI have ReiserFS, does this do me any good?
21:48.14nhuisman_worknot sure you can do much about overwriting files.
21:48.15alaya_flipflop: not using a RCS?
21:48.27nhuisman_workdeleting you can if the inodes aren't already used again, but...
21:48.28flipflopalaya_: nope, I'm a moron
21:49.04alaya_and no backups?
21:49.04diepesFuzzyB: how do i add rules as a dynamic interface appears and disappears
21:49.05FuzzyBsounds like your learning
21:49.05flipflopalaya_:  yep.. the one I just rolled back from.... a month ago.
21:49.05nhuisman_workan important life lesson :P
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21:49.06KilluxFuzzyB: i just installed and extracted the kernel sources, can you just tell me or hint me in on what i need to do
21:49.06FuzzyBdiepes: go ask in #iptables
21:49.06flipflopShit
21:49.06FuzzyBKillux: rtfm
21:49.07Decepticonwhere do i edit the apt-get sources list so it only looks online instead of debian cd's?
21:49.08FuzzyBthat's what you need to do
21:49.18FuzzyBDecepticon: /etc/apt/sources.list
21:49.19nhuisman_workvi /etc/apt/sources.list
21:49.21alaya_flipflop: sounds like you need to set up a daily rotating/incremental backup system for your important data  :-)
21:49.22nhuisman_workremove the cd line
21:49.24Killuxargh
21:49.27flipflopThat's totally unacceptable.  That's 3 people's one month worth of coding.
21:49.29nhuisman_worki had that problem too, i was like wtf.
21:49.46FuzzyBflipflop: were not the one that screwed up with no backup
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21:50.15Roninmust find food
21:50.18FuzzyByea
21:50.20FuzzyBbbl
21:50.30wintixhappy hunting.
21:50.34nhuisman_workno standard operating system lets you rollback files like that.
21:50.51FuzzyByou should setup some svn
21:50.57flipflopshit
21:50.59flipflopI know, man
21:51.05flipflopI know damn well that I should
21:51.19nhuisman_worki wonder if reiserfs has rollback
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21:51.46diepesflipflop: use cvs nextime, and commit often
21:51.55diepesflipflop: or svn
21:52.17Decepticonok this is going to sound stupid, but i need to know what apt-get install packages should i put if i want the following situation: it is a basic netinst install, i want to end up with usable xfce and synaptic
21:52.26Decepticonis it just apt-get install xfce
21:52.28Decepticonor is there more
21:52.31Decepticonlike x-window-system
21:52.40nhuisman_workshrug, i'd just ask for xfce
21:52.42nhuisman_workand let it figure it out
21:52.45flipflopshit, I KNOW... I know what to do next time...
21:52.48wintixDecepticon: x-window-system xfce4 synaptics
21:53.42alaya_next time is now ;-)
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21:54.28mineraleOk, i'm in a real *#@& --- I just delted some files... but they still exist, an applications is using them and I can see them being used via losf
21:54.42robin_szsigh ... I see icedove is still not fixed :(
21:54.43mineralecan I save those files?
21:55.27nhuisman_workwhat file system are you using?
21:55.44mineraledefault, ext2
21:55.59mineraleI have the inode numbers for the open file handles
21:56.00alaya_robin_sz: how so?
21:56.07nhuisman_workhttp://www.billjonas.com/papers/undeletion.html
21:56.36robin_szalaya_, the one where it uses oodles and oodles of CPU and just hogs cycles like they are free or something
21:56.38nhuisman_workbasically you use dump
21:57.15nhuisman_workdump <inode> -p <recovered_file_name>
21:57.16nhuisman_workI think
21:57.37nhuisman_workmake sure though
21:57.54nhuisman_worke2undel
21:57.59nhuisman_workclaims it can undelete files
21:58.40mineraleI remember some guy using the /proc fs to grab open handles on files
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22:02.12mineralenhuisman_work: oh, found it
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22:02.42mineralenhuisman_work: you find the pid of the app that has the open file handle then you go to /proc/<PID>/fd/ -> all the open files
22:03.47mineraleie: lr-x------ 1 nvu nvu 64 May 15 18:01 6 -> /home/nvu/temp/cp.zip (deleted)
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22:05.36mineralethen you simply cp 6 ~/saved.zip
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22:13.33Decepticoni did apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 on a barebones netinst debian etch system and i tried running hte command startx. however, all i see is green/gray lines
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22:14.15streunerjust try something else
22:14.23streuneri.e. fluxbox
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22:14.43streuner!xsession
22:14.43dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
22:15.05Decepticonno, x-window-system is showing green/gray lines
22:15.09Decepticonnot xfce4
22:15.12Decepticoni cant even see anything
22:15.20streunertouch /home/<user>/.xsession
22:15.54Decepticonim guessing its a video setting in x-window-system
22:15.58Decepticonthat i need to adjust
22:16.02Decepticonbut i dont know what
22:16.16streunernah, you don't have configure the WM (window-manager) right
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22:16.32streuners/don't have/didn't/
22:16.38x_linkhrm
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22:17.00x_linkI was on Debian Testing for 10 minutes ago and I did -> X -version, it said 7.1.1
22:17.10x_linkI just changed to Sid and now when I do X -version it says 1.3.0
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22:17.17x_linkShouldn't it sayd 7.2?
22:17.18streunerDecepticon: just create .xsession and put 'exec fluxbox' in that file
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22:17.45streunerDecepticon: apt-get install fluxbox (make sure no DM is running) (gdm, kdm)
22:17.57Decepticonhow do i check if a DM is running
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22:18.29streunerDecepticon: ps aux | grep gdm
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22:18.36x_linkAnybody?
22:18.53streuneretch doesn't have 7.2
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22:19.11streunerit's in unstable/sid NOW
22:19.16grendal_primewhere would i find out if there is a scheduled fix for a package?
22:19.28streunerBTS?
22:19.56grendal_primerdesktop 1.05 sucks it segfaults all the time, something to do with xorg.  Anyway there is a patch out there but i would much rather install a new pkg.
22:20.22karstengrendal_prime: There's a bug in rdesktp
22:20.32karstengrendal_prime: Patch available.  Possibly an update by now.
22:20.40x_linkstreuner: Like I said, I'm on Sid now.
22:20.59karstengrendal_prime: It's a slightly overzealous window destroy call.  It's more effective than it should be.
22:21.01x_linkI just changed from Testing to Sid, and when I do X -version is says 1.3.0
22:21.13streunerx_link: oh, no worries, you runinng 7.2 then :-)
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22:21.41x_linkstreuner: Okej.
22:22.02grendal_primeill say
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22:22.24grendal_primei dont see a new package for it though..is there some special repository where that would be held..
22:22.25karstengrendal_prime: http://bugs.debian.org/418098
22:22.31grendal_primesecret repo...
22:22.40grendal_primekinda..kinky even?
22:22.55karstengrendal_prime: It's a one-liner change.  I did an apt-get -d source, modded code, rebuilt, installed.
22:23.05karstengrendal_prime: Kinky?
22:23.40streunerx_link: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
22:23.42grendal_primemaby kinky?
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22:24.32grendal_primeslightly kinky...ok nevermind ill go for just workable then
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22:27.52grendal_primekarsten: but umm...hmm did you wind up with a package out of that? something i could mayby...well coax out of you...with...oh i dont know liquer or chocolate?
22:28.14grendal_primeor ...well you name it?
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22:28.29man_in_shackhow do you adjust which day is considered the first day of the week?
22:28.43man_in_shacki think there's a file in /etc/default to do it, but i can't remember
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22:32.00piztek3beryl or compiz?
22:32.39man_in_shackpiztek3, compiz is nice if you're already running gnome libs and like gconf system
22:33.04karstengrendal_prime: I don't recall the specific steps, but build results eventually in a deb.  I asked around for specific steps, should doc those.
22:33.18piztek3man_in_shack: which is better all around?
22:33.23piztek3man_in_shack: which do you prefer?
22:33.25man_in_shackberyl is nice if you want a nice configuration application, theme system, and manager that allows you to switch nicely between different wms
22:33.32man_in_shacki prefer beryl. had issues with getting compiz to work
22:33.39man_in_shackbut it's down to the individual
22:33.49man_in_shackthey're about the same. they're merging their code base
22:34.00piztek3man_in_shack: how can i make a startup link for beryl, or get beryl to start at login
22:34.09robin_szwtf are beryl and compiz?  do i need one?
22:34.24robin_szwill my laptop stop working without one?
22:34.24karstenrobin_sz: teh shiznit!
22:34.27Decepticonstreuner i tried installing fluxbox like you said and i added 'exec fluxbox' to .xsession and ran 'startx' i am seeing the same stripes as seen here http://silenceisdefeat.org/~deltron/gray.jpg
22:34.27piztek3robin_sz: they're sooo cool
22:34.38robin_szbut what ARE they?
22:34.40piztek3robin_sz: google some screeny's of em
22:34.43karstenrobin_sz: 3d graphics desktop effects.
22:34.51Decepticonstreuner this is the same stripes i was seeing when i tried xfce4, so yes i still think its a video card problem
22:35.02robin_szahh, ,then thank fuck I dont have them
22:35.04Decepticoncan someone tell me what i should edit
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22:35.31karstenrobin_sz: similar to (better than) OSX.  Desktop is fully graphics rendered, you can have rippeling terminal windows, "cube" desktop switcher, some other stuff.
22:35.31Decepticonim seeing stripes when i run startx http://silenceisdefeat.org/~deltron/gray.jpg
22:35.38robin_szkarsten, sounds awful. thanks for the heads up
22:35.44piztek3so man_in_shack, how about that startup for beryl?
22:35.59piztek3does anyone know
22:36.02man_in_shackpiztek3, there's a tool that configures a .xsessionrc for you i think
22:36.11man_in_shackbut basically make beryl-manager run
22:36.16piztek3how do i get to it?
22:36.17man_in_shackthen play with beryl-manager :)
22:36.23man_in_shackgtg
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22:36.29piztek3gah!!!
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22:38.29lvaluehi, how do i enable the Fn key on my dell c810 laptop in xfce? from the keyboard shortcuts it generates an empty shortcut, what makes me think it's not even working..
22:38.36escargosomeone had bring the nokia 6630 to work -> debian etch?
22:39.18mineraleescargo: it's symbian
22:39.19escargoyes
22:41.27efaistosdoes someone use sar ?
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22:41.40karsten!tell efaistos about polls
22:41.48karstenefaistos: Just ask your question.
22:41.59efaistos;)
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22:43.09efaistoswhen i try to launch sar it says that : invalid system activity file /var/log/sysstat/sa16 (0)
22:43.17efaistosdo you know why ?
22:43.24karstenefaistos: Does the file exist?
22:43.57efaistosit was not there but I made one just with touch hoping it would be okay ... but was not :(
22:44.03karstenefaistos: You'll have to enable sar logging, it's disabled by default, IIRC /etc/default/sysstat
22:44.27karstenefaistos: You'll have to wait ~10 minutes for logging to start.  Afterward it's updated every 10 minutes by default.
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22:44.54efaistoskarsten: thanks
22:44.58karstenefaistos: dpkg-reconfigure sysstat should prompt you for that IIRC.
22:45.06efaistosIIRC ?
22:45.12xarquidHey karsten
22:45.13karsten!iirc
22:45.13dpkgIIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
22:45.16karstenxarquid: Hola.
22:45.29karstenOr "it isn't really cosher".
22:45.32xarquidAnyone familiar or had problems with ALSA working and then "not" working suddenly? I'm on a Lenovo and it suddenly stopped working last night :\
22:45.37efaistoskarsten: okay
22:45.48efaistosthnx
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22:45.51grendal_primewhat is beryl?
22:46.00karstengrendal_prime: /lastlog
22:46.09karstengrendal_prime: & GIYF
22:46.35karsten!beryl
22:46.36dpkgberyl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian
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22:50.13maxbIs there any command to do the signing of source/changes files that dpkg-buildpackage does, but *after* a build? Say, if you've just built something inside a pbuilder, and want to sign the output?
22:50.55karstenmaxb: gnupg
22:51.21karstenmaxb: ... I think.  For md5sums / sha1sums:  md5sum or openssl.
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22:52.01maxbWell, obviously, but dpkg-buildpackages does some extra stuff, like suffixing an extra newline, and automating the sign-.dsc, gen-changes, sign-.changes process
22:52.08xarquidSo no info. on a Lenovo using ALSA sound driver? heh, headphones or pc speakers -- no sound :\
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22:52.22karstenxarquid: Checked your mixer levels/
22:52.45mutanteaumix -v50 or something
22:52.46karstenxarquid: aumix and alsamixer both.  Also check the laptop audio settings (physical volume controls).
22:52.58xarquidWill get those
22:52.59mutantei remember happend to me too, that they somehow always went back to 0
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22:53.58karstenxarquid: Toggle your mute key, and bump up the volume key as well.
22:54.00xarquidhmm aparently
22:54.09xarquidinstalling aumix and the alsamixer gui controls
22:54.12karstenxarquid: That it?
22:54.17xarquidthanks
22:54.22xarquidwe'll see momentarily :)
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22:55.08escargohow i can i become 4 speakers work with alsa?
22:55.18xarquidstill no go :\ bleh
22:55.46xarquidXMSS is using "ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin" as its output
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23:02.54karstenTwo problems w/ aptitude update.  Following paste from aptitude update.  What should I change?  http://paste.debian.net/28070
23:03.02karstenWRT dupe sources list entries.
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23:04.05karstenDoh.  Dupe security entry for testing in /etc/apt/sources.list.
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23:05.16fastaIs there any way to make it appear that an e-mail was sent earlier than it actually was?
23:05.16karstenThe other problem is untrusted packages, which I don't understand.
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23:05.27karstenBucio: /msg dpkg es or /msg dpkg br
23:05.36karstenfasta: yes.
23:05.42Buciook
23:05.43fastakarsten: how?
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23:05.54karstenfasta: Oh, *that* I don't know.
23:05.54pickcoderspecify it in the Date: header
23:06.13fastakarsten: the answer is something like "modify some header".
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23:06.22Buciopor que no ejecuta el exe ¿?
23:06.25karstenfasta: Set your system clock to the year 1066.
23:06.30karsten!es
23:06.30fastapickcoder: do you know any software that can do that?
23:06.30dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:06.32pickcoderfasta: what are you using to send e-mail
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23:06.46pickcoderfasta: most command line tools will let you modify headers
23:06.46P4Hi
23:06.49fastapickcoder: KMail or Evolution or Mutt
23:06.54karstenfasta: Send emails from the Battle of Hastings!
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23:07.38karstenfasta: Oct 14, 1066, to be specific.
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23:09.48nhuisman_worki'd just set my clock back
23:10.01nhuisman_workthen send it
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23:10.19fastanhuisman_work: how does one change the clock?
23:10.26nhuisman_workdate
23:10.32nhuisman_workman date
23:10.34pickcoderchanging the system date can screw up services
23:10.39pickcoderthat is not a good idea
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23:10.49nhuisman_workwell i assume this is a temporary thing
23:10.57karstenpickcoder: as if backdating email is a sensible action.
23:11.06pickcodere-mail headers are game
23:11.25nhuisman_worknot sure why you would want to backdate email except to cover your ass for something you forgot to do, or send :P
23:11.33karstenfasta: Note that your email will probably bear more recent timestamps from any intermediate servers it passes through, so whatever you're trying to accomplish is likely pretty moot.
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23:12.04fastakarsten: I am trying to replicate something someone else already did.
23:12.09pickcoderkarsten: most mail clients will show the Date: header regardless of the return path stamps
23:12.10karstennhuisman_work: I'm much more a fan of composing some long, involved, complex email and setting an at job to fire it off at 1:27am so $BOSS thinks I'm working late.
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23:12.24nhuisman_worklol karsten
23:12.31nhuisman_worki was pondering setup a sick emailer like that
23:12.33karstenpickcoder: Right, but that header will be contradicted by other evidence in headers.
23:12.51nhuisman_workthe high level headers will still display in a client as what ever year you want
23:12.55pickcoderkarsten: for most people who use e-mail, headers are a programming term
23:12.57nhuisman_worki receive mail from 1969 all the time
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23:13.11karstenfasta: Um.  In general you can put any damned crap in an email header you want, modulo RFC specs (which are pretty loose).  Care to be more specific?
23:13.11nhuisman_workso for general purposes it will be as though it was sent then.
23:13.15pickcodermost have no clue how to get to them
23:13.17nhuisman_workfor sorting purposes
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23:13.31karstennhuisman_work: Damn, that's one backlogged server.
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23:13.37nhuisman_workno, it's spam
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23:13.48karstennhuisman_work: They had spam in 1969?
23:13.50nhuisman_workno
23:14.00pickcoderprocessed meat
23:14.01piztek3karsten, can you help me with a startup for beryl?
23:14.08nhuisman_worklike everyone is saying, you can set the headers to what ever you want, one easy way was change your system clock
23:14.19karstenpiztek3: no.
23:14.24jelly-homefasta: You want to set a custom Date: header.  read RFC2822 for syntax, or use date --rfc-2822 option
23:14.36joey[]having problems with compiling, I've just install gcc, but I cannot even compile simple hello world example (stdio.h no such file)
23:14.42nhuisman_worki guess i missed your sarcasm :P
23:14.42joey[]what package do I need to install?
23:14.54Roninjoey[]: dev files most likely
23:15.07fastaIs the RFC system still intact?
23:15.10jelly-homefasta: note however that mutt, for example, will gleefully overwrite your custom Date with current date.
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23:15.54pickcoderjoey[]: you need libc6-dev
23:15.54fastaDo people still make new RFC's?
23:15.55pickcoderfasta: yes
23:15.55yetifootthere was one for the PNG, i don't know how long ago that was
23:15.55Roninfasta: most certainly
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23:16.23pickcoderI never managed to get my RFC submitted
23:16.29joey[]pickcoder: hmm ... E: couldnt find package libc6-devel ...
23:16.44karstenjelly-home: create message file w/ headers & CRLF linefeeds.  sendmail -s <file
23:17.02jelly-homekarsten: I prefer -t :-)
23:17.13jelly-homeno need to CRLF it, then
23:17.14fastaRFC4891 Using IPsec to Secure IPv6-in-IPv4 Tunnels. R. Graveman, M. Parthasarathy, P. Savola, H. Tschofenig. May 2007.
23:17.26pickcoderjoey[]: no devel..  just dev.. apt-cache search libc6
23:17.29stewyeah, that one was from yesterday
23:17.53fastastew: ? You follow this stuff?
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23:18.21stewfasta: no, i just looked it up
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23:19.45joey[]pickcoder: thanks, libc6-dev works
23:19.46fastastew: I found it a bit too coincidental
23:19.46pickcoderstew just lurks and reads RFCs all day
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23:23.04karstenjelly-home: Hrm.
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23:24.26jelly-homekarsten: at least, I haven't paid attention to giving sendmail wire format, and it worked
23:25.03karstenjelly-home: I don't think that's what -t does.  Some remote daemons don't care what they get.  qmail does, however.
23:25.08jelly-home(it wasn't sendmail, though, it was exim4 on Debian, or ssmtp on Cygwin)
23:25.25karstenjelly-home: Yeah, sendmailo here is really exim4.
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23:26.53jelly-homewell.  ssmtp forwards everything to qmail... maybe it acts smartish.  Or maybe our mail admin has patched qmail to be friendly.
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23:27.47karstenjelly-home: You mean it *smiles* at you before it stabs a steak-knife into your chest, removes yo0ur heart, shows it to you, and eats it?
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23:30.16jelly-homekarsten: hey... our users wanted ETRN.  So the admin implemented ETRN, when you EHLO our mx, it says it can do ETRN.  Even throws a 2XX a-ok code if the user asks for it.  Then it does nothing. :-)
23:30.33jelly-homeusers are happy, though.
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23:31.25bonez41I purchased and today received a 400 gb hitachi SATA drive......connected, but not yet booted or mounted at /dev/hdg  My question>  why would it be reporting about 362 gb....instead of 400 gb...when I view the drive using gparted?
23:31.57abrotmanwhat does the BIOS say ?
23:32.16karstenbonez41: GB v. GiB.
23:32.17jelly-homebonez41: gparted thinks 2^30 bytes is 1GB.  manufactures think 10^9 bytes is a GB.
23:32.40nhuisman_workyeah it's a standard issue, and a little annoying but you get used to it
23:32.46Kevin`bonez41 why is it hdx instead of sdx like most sata drives?
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23:33.03dkrnhuisman_work: it's been getting worse with larger drives sicne the discrepency is so much bigger now
23:33.15nhuisman_workyeah 1tb drive will be a nice loss
23:33.27bonez41karsten, jelly-home so in reality I have my full space..it's just how it's being interpreted?
23:34.03jelly-homebonez41: yes.  You bought a 362 GiB drive
23:34.03bonez41it's a SATA drive, so the BIOS...ain't talkin...
23:34.06bonez41Disk /dev/hdg: 400.0 GB, 400088457216 bytes
23:34.06bonez41255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 48641 cylinder
23:34.11bonez41that's from fdisk though
23:34.19Kevin`looks like more then 400gb
23:34.21Kevin`;)
23:34.27CompWizdrand 40088457216 / 1024 / 1024 is...
23:34.31abrotmanthe sata controller still has a bios
23:34.33bwlangas a sysadmin... where would you expect to find svn repositories?
23:34.33jelly-homelooks like exactly 400GB :-)
23:34.44bonez41I am not there..just ssh'd to my office where this drive now lives....I'll wait to partition/format it until I am physically back there...
23:34.52abrotmanbwlang: ask #svn .. i'm sure there's a conf file somewhere
23:34.53dkr362GiB does not equal 400GB though, it should be 372.5GiB
23:34.54pickcoderbwlang: on a development server
23:34.58maxbIs there a way to manually set debconf values? For example, after creating a pbuilder chroot, I'd want to insert some debconf answers required by build-deps
23:34.59pickcoder<g>
23:35.08maxbbwlang: Whereever the sysadmin chooses
23:35.09karstenbonez41: yep.
23:35.14nhuisman_workpath/svnroot
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23:35.29nhuisman_workcould be off your root, but i'd probably have it on a separate partition
23:35.46Kevin`meoooow
23:36.05maxbPopular possibilities: /srv/svn, /var/svn, /home/svn, /usr/local/svn
23:36.11bwlangthanks for the helpful responses! :P... i'm trying to decide where to put them  and i thought i could get some consensus about common locations (possiblities: /home/ /var/lib/ their own filesystem etc.)
23:36.28bonez41Kevin`, not sure.....that's how it is reading on my system
23:36.30nhuisman_worki'd put it on a different file system then your root
23:36.36pickcoderbwlang: variable data should always be under /var/
23:36.37maxbMy personal favourite is /srv/svn, which is most in line with the latest FHS
23:36.40pickcoderreview the FHS
23:36.50bonez41jelly, the label says 400 gb....
23:36.50Kevin`ick @ /srv
23:36.51nhuisman_workbecause otherwise someone can fill your root and you are dead
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23:37.13jelly-homebonez41: yes. It can take 400 billion bytes.
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23:37.55Kevin`nhuisman_work you should, of course, use quotas..
23:37.59bwlangi'm going with /var/svn
23:38.05CompWizdrbonez41: there's a standard disclaimer somewhere in the packageing, and if not there, on their website.. every manufacturer does that.
23:38.33bonez41ok.....I purchased a 400 gb drive..it's just varied on how they wish to interpret that....thanks...
23:38.35nhuisman_worktrue, but a separate partition achieves the same thing doesn' tit?
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23:39.01jelly-homebonez41: the whole mess had started when some memory guys started using KB, MB, GB for 2^{10,20,30} ...
23:39.03Kevin`nhuisman_work unless that partition is dedicated to that user, they could still fill it up and cause service loss
23:39.06CompWizdri did buy a 160 GB maxtor once that was actually 160gb.. was very strange.
23:39.17CompWizdr160GiB, rather
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23:39.23nhuisman_workoh, does svn mark the files as owned by a particular user?
23:39.51nhuisman_workI guess that makes perfect sense, and then yes you are completely right, quotas are needed.
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23:40.42Kevin`I have a seperate partition for /var/lock on this system because of mr AfterDeath :)
23:41.01jelly-homebonez41: the hd manufacturers _never_ used binary style.  If you really want to know, you can start from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte maybe
23:41.18kalilahow long does a package stay in testing before getting bumped to stable (i know unstale->testing takes 10 days if unblocked)
23:41.28nhuisman_workafterdeath?
23:41.37jelly-homekalila: until next stable release
23:41.37Kevin`/whois afterdeath
23:42.04jelly-homekalila: stable does _not_ get new versions, only critical bug fixes
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23:45.11maxbIs there nice way to get the size of a file in bytes, in a shell script? (nice, meaning, does not involve parsing ls -l output)
23:46.00abrotmanstat?
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23:46.07CompWizdrwc?
23:47.24CompWizdrthough, stat seems to be able to handle file permission problems better
23:47.31maxbstat!
23:47.38maxbThat's nice
23:47.41CompWizdrstat -c %s somefile gave a result when wc didn't because it couldn't read it
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23:47.52maxbwc would read the file, unnecessarily
23:47.56abrotmanok
23:48.19CompWizdrmaxb: can i put a useless use of wc award up by my collection of useless uses of cat?
23:49.20maxb:-)
23:49.20abrotmanwc was a good answer
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23:49.21muhoo_CompWizdr: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp :-)
23:49.21muhoo_there are lots of uses for "touch" too
23:49.36muhoo_i usually test whether i have write access by typing "touch inappropriately"
23:49.48muhoo_ok, on a lighter note
23:50.06muhoo_the gtf utility gives me a modeline that exceeds the clock of the monitor
23:50.16muhoo_which sucks
23:50.42CompWizdri wonder what stat says about a sparse file ;)
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23:51.58abrotmanspace is space ?
23:52.31abrotmanstew: i cannot lament wakefield when mrs has gone poof!
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23:54.45stewabrotman: i just heard the bad news
23:54.57abrotmanstew: are you not at the lighthouse ?
23:55.09stewabrotman: no, we're outside, she's streaming it from mlb.com
23:55.12abrotmanah ok
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23:56.01stewabrotman: she decided that she'd rather skip the lighthouse and apply the savings to a mlb.com premium membership if it worked in linux, which it did after she had me install some evil software on her laptop
23:56.09abrotmanhaha
23:56.15abrotmanevil software being w32codecs ?
23:56.17stewyes
23:56.25abrotmanah .. there are worse things i suppose
23:56.31stewit wanted wm9
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23:56.49cafuegoYes, there is a bug with wm9.
23:56.54abrotmanisn't the mlb.com thing only 12$/yeara ?
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23:56.59dbasetrinityHello Debianers
23:57.19stewabrotman: no i think its more.  i think she decided that us not going to the bar tonight was going to pay for 3 months of it
23:57.20abrotmanohy .. it's 20$/month
23:57.37twisted`ey, I have a hardware raid through an areca pci 8x card. debian reconised it during installation, but when I booted it it won't reconise it as a harddrive
23:57.42abrotmanstew: sounds about right :)
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23:58.15twisted`weirdly enough it shows a partition table on /dev/sdb1
23:58.23twisted`but only 300gb and the raid has 2.5tb
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