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00:02.17 | shadey_ | probably a more generic question... but i have installed 'vncserver' and I have KDM running with gnome/kde installed... However... my vncclient logs into a gnome desktop |
00:02.32 | shadey_ | how can i change this to be a KDE desktop? |
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00:02.53 | karsten | Nielsen: Apparently soon, if you're streuner's hardware. |
00:03.01 | karsten | shadey_: Install KDE. |
00:03.09 | shadey_ | given that my default session on the system itself logs into KDE |
00:03.35 | karsten | shadey_: vncserver has options for specifying session startup. man vncserver. |
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00:04.55 | cafuego | vncserver runs the executable (script) ~/.vnc/xstartup |
00:05.40 | karsten | cafuego: I suppose that could by symlinked to .xinitrc and/or friends? |
00:05.49 | daeos | streuner: i think i'll just stick to gnome.... looks like alot of crap to do just to get blackbox to work |
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00:07.29 | stoned | The terminus font kicks buttocks |
00:09.10 | cafuego | karsten: probably, yes. |
00:10.08 | karsten | stoned: Where'd you get that / how'd you install it? |
00:10.17 | karsten | stoned: http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html ? |
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00:11.52 | shadey_ | ok my "startx" logs into gnome... on Slackware i would modify .xinitrc but this file doesn't seem to exist in my home dir? |
00:12.07 | karsten | shadey_: Create it. |
00:12.34 | shadey_ | i didn't think it would have been that simple |
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00:16.21 | karsten | shadey_: It is. |
00:16.26 | karsten | shadey_: Do you have a brother? |
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00:16.36 | karsten | shadey_: slim_, I believe he was. |
00:16.36 | shadey_ | yes I do |
00:16.41 | shadey_ | hah :) |
00:16.48 | shadey_ | I'm not that guy alas |
00:16.53 | karsten | Heh. |
00:17.04 | karsten | I was gonna say, I know some chicks who dig you. |
00:17.56 | shadey_ | I can be that guy. |
00:18.44 | amerej | my old laptop doesn't boot from usb from bios is there any way to make it happen from the bootloader ? |
00:19.37 | amphi | amerej: smart boot manager, maybe |
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00:20.03 | zeelot | hello |
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00:21.32 | karsten | shadey_: Can you be the *real* guy? |
00:21.40 | zeelot | question - what determines the order of my hard drives during debian installation? I have 2 drives and for some reason they show up as sdf and sdg...why aren't they sda and sdb? |
00:21.44 | daeos | streuner: ok.. i followed the page that dpkg said to go to, and now x starts up without a window manager at all |
00:21.54 | slakmagik | Why does hitting 'C' to get the changelog on a kernel security update result in an error message 'E: Couldn't fetch URL...' - the url is indeed incorrect - bugs #422311 and #357542 might be related, but don't seem to go anywhere. |
00:21.59 | karsten | amerej: What are your media options? Do you have a working grub install? |
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00:22.28 | karsten | slakmagik: Um, do any URLs work? Updated your package lists lately? |
00:22.33 | slakmagik | oops, in aptitude, I mean |
00:22.38 | slakmagik | yeah, just did |
00:22.46 | slakmagik | oh, the lists, no - just refreshed the listings |
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00:23.21 | slakmagik | I noticed on the last kernel update, too, but other packages work |
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00:24.01 | michael | weee |
00:24.06 | michael | pcsx > epsxe |
00:24.13 | jpsamara | Can anyone help with azureus. I'm behind a fast pipe, how many connections should be optimal to put on "maximum simultaneus outbond..." it has a default of 8 connections but I found that increasing this number to 32 is much faster... should I max it to 100? |
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00:24.40 | michael | this depends on how fast your pipe is and what your usual upload rate is |
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00:24.45 | michael | per torrent |
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00:26.34 | slakmagik | lemme restate, since I got it scrambled up. :) I have the same sources.list I've had. I did an 'update' in aptitude. A kernel sec-update shows. The changelog listing for it bombs out while other packages work. |
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00:28.09 | lightbook | hi, I'm getting an error about not being able to stat packages or something when running yum. |
00:28.10 | lightbook | er. |
00:28.14 | lightbook | apt |
00:28.16 | daeos | streuner: removing the 2 files dpkg recommends to make based on that website actually fixed gnome from not loading |
00:33.10 | karsten | slakmagik: Could be an out-of-sync mirror. |
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00:33.10 | karsten | slakmagik: Or can you confirm the URL at that specific mirror? |
00:33.11 | zeelot | anyone? or how can I change where grub gets installed in the last step of the debian installation? |
00:33.11 | slakmagik | well, the url is http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2/changelog for linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 and, no, it doesn't exist |
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00:33.13 | perlmonkey | tried to install darwin and then freebsd and got nowhere, back to debian, back to my comfort zone |
00:33.13 | karsten | slakmagik: That's not a mirror URL. |
00:33.13 | karsten | slakmagik: Worst comes to swrst, if you can locate the deb elsewere, simply copy it to /var/cache/apt/archives |
00:33.14 | slakmagik | well, that's what aptitude claims to be looking for |
00:33.16 | karsten | s/swrst/worst/ |
00:33.16 | karsten | slakmagik: Aptitude is confused then. |
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00:33.21 | slakmagik | no, the package should be fine (it was last time) it's just the changelog that bobms |
00:33.24 | karsten | I think. |
00:33.25 | slakmagik | bombs |
00:33.26 | karsten | aH... |
00:33.33 | karsten | s/Aptitude is/I am/ |
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00:33.34 | slakmagik | :) |
00:33.34 | daeos | what can i do to fix this error: xauth: error in locking authority file |
00:33.34 | slakmagik | it's nothing critical, I just would like to know why I'm updating in advance of actually doing it |
00:33.34 | daeos | would i have to make that folder writeable to xauth? |
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00:33.47 | karsten | daeos: Don't run X clients as root. Find your xauthority file (it's listed in your X server run line) and change perms appropriately. |
00:33.47 | perlmonkey | is LP dvd the same as multi-track? |
00:33.48 | slakmagik | and would like aptitude to not be buggy :) |
00:33.52 | daeos | karsten: i didn't run it as root |
00:34.01 | perlmonkey | i mean double layer |
00:34.06 | michael | what is the name of the device for the keyboard in debian? |
00:34.15 | azeem | michael: there's none |
00:34.33 | karsten | daeos: What's "xauth info | grep 'Authority'" say? Should be /home/$USER/.Xauthority |
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00:34.36 | XMr | i have an ATI Radeon 9950, Debian Etch Stable, is fglrx-one-liner ok to use ? |
00:35.15 | perlmonkey | what does Xauthority do |
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00:35.24 | slakmagik | gives you a magic cookie |
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00:35.40 | perlmonkey | :D |
00:35.40 | karsten | perlmonkey: It gives X teh Authoritay. |
00:35.43 | karsten | perlmonkey: Specifically, a magic cookie. |
00:35.49 | perlmonkey | neat |
00:35.49 | karsten | perlmonkey: man xauth |
00:36.00 | perlmonkey | so thats where my problems must lie I reckon |
00:36.07 | perlmonkey | from nfs and shared /home |
00:36.26 | daeos | karsten: xauth: error in locking authority file /home/daeos/.Xauthority |
00:36.35 | karsten | perlmonkey: It's a pretty weak authentication scheme relying on local file permissions (and trusting nobody to sniff packets) of preventing other users from running stuff (including snooping stuff) on your X session. |
00:36.37 | perlmonkey | i get that error too |
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00:36.45 | karsten | daeos: What's ownership/perms on .Xauthority? |
00:36.47 | perlmonkey | oh |
00:36.51 | karsten | daeos: As root, set it to your userid. |
00:37.04 | perlmonkey | karsten used by X or just gnome? |
00:37.08 | karsten | daeos: I effed that up myself a week or so back. |
00:37.10 | karsten | perlmonkey: X |
00:37.32 | perlmonkey | that explains why i have probs in both gnome/kde or with apps from either |
00:37.36 | perlmonkey | but not in xfce |
00:37.44 | daeos | karsten: yeah user set to me, and group is root |
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00:37.53 | karsten | perlmonkey: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Security |
00:37.59 | perlmonkey | thanks |
00:38.01 | karsten | perlmonkey: No, all are subservient to X. |
00:38.06 | perlmonkey | oh |
00:38.09 | GhostlyDeath | Is the lamp brightness in an LCD linked to the display driver or no? |
00:38.16 | perlmonkey | thats weird then |
00:38.24 | perlmonkey | im gonna reinstall debian |
00:38.26 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: LEDs have only one output value. |
00:38.34 | GhostlyDeath | as in, the software tells the hardware to chnage the brightness |
00:38.44 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: You dim 'em by flashing 'em, or by turning off one or more in a multiple display. |
00:38.47 | GhostlyDeath | karsten: I'm talking about the Hg Lamps |
00:38.48 | perlmonkey | its probably quicker than trying to hunt down this problem been at it several days now and no closer |
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00:39.01 | karsten | perlmonkey: What's the question? |
00:39.28 | Tarantulafudge | is there a way to check service status on debian? I need something that deals correctly with error codes, so the ps aux | grep thing will not work in my situation |
00:39.33 | mmlj4 | right, a light-emitting diode is either on or off, AFAIK |
00:39.37 | karsten | perlmonkey: And yes, X can be sorta annoying at times, particularly if you get security / cookies / file perms b0rked. |
00:40.05 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: If it's built into the init script, /etc/init.d/<service> status |
00:40.10 | lightbook | ok. So I'm ripping my hair out. |
00:40.18 | lightbook | my installation of debian can't even find irssi. |
00:40.20 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Otherwise: no, that's sort of a nontrivial problem. |
00:40.28 | lightbook | apt-get install irssi does nothing. |
00:40.36 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: there is no status argument |
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00:40.44 | o2T7 | hi |
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00:40.58 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Depending on what you're trying to do, you need some sort of monitoring / sanity test tool. |
00:41.01 | lightbook | what's going on? |
00:41.03 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Eg: nagios, etc. |
00:41.04 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: Usage: /etc/init.d/bacula-dir {start|stop|restart|force-reload} |
00:41.15 | karsten | lightbook: You're tearing out your hair. |
00:41.25 | o2T7 | why does "echo 'my string' >> README" create a file named readme? |
00:41.29 | perlmonkey | karsten: i wish i could give specific errors/problem, but basically the symptom is that gnome starts without a taskbar thingy at the top and bottom, it says it detected one running so wont start, and sometimes it does start, but its blank.. when gnome does start, no apps can be run, if i click on an icon for say an OpenOffice doc, it attempts to start and locks up.. in XFCE, that starts up ok, but gnome or kde apps wont |
00:41.29 | lightbook | karsten: I meant, with apt here :P |
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00:41.33 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: I have an app that checks the status of a service but it won't function correctly because it employs the status argument |
00:41.43 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Not familiar with bacula. You could try a restart. |
00:41.50 | karsten | o2T7: RTFM. |
00:41.54 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: read above |
00:41.59 | perlmonkey | karsten: this is all started after i moved my /home/user folder to my server and started using nfs and mounting on two client machines |
00:42.02 | karsten | o2T7: Functions as designed. |
00:42.05 | o2T7 | karsten, not noob, thanks |
00:42.32 | perlmonkey | karsten: i have sync'd the uid for the user manually on all 3 machines, and the gid |
00:42.35 | karsten | perlmonkey: Could be a lockfile/statusfile issue? |
00:42.44 | o2T7 | I mean why does not create an uppercased file |
00:42.45 | karsten | perlmonkey: I don't run gnome for several reasons, that among them. |
00:43.12 | karsten | o2T7: Are you referring to casing of the filename? What filesystem? |
00:43.13 | perlmonkey | karsten: i think it could be, I have since glimpses of problems caused by things in /tmp and also gconf? and have attempted to clear these but no joy |
00:43.21 | o2T7 | yes, ext3 |
00:43.32 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: ideas? |
00:43.32 | lightbook | I don't know why this isn't working.... |
00:43.37 | o2T7 | even "mv FILE file" says it is the same file |
00:43.45 | karsten | o2T7: Nope, that's case-sensitive. |
00:43.45 | daeos | karsten: -rwx------ 1 daeos root 654 2007-05-14 20:08 .Xauthority |
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00:43.57 | perlmonkey | karsten: i decided to ditch gnome and kde too and purged my sys of them, but i am having probs with openoffice (properly unrelated to gnome issue?) with shared user |
00:44.01 | karsten | o2T7: Note that ext3 over samba might give different results. |
00:44.08 | o2T7 | $SHELL=bash |
00:44.15 | karsten | daeos: Odd. |
00:44.16 | o2T7 | on xterm |
00:44.25 | perlmonkey | also iceweasel is very slow to start still in xfce4, it takes around 2 mins typically |
00:44.30 | karsten | daeos: perlmonkey, lightbook: Gotta split, questions to channel. |
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00:44.43 | karsten | perlmonkey: NFS? LDAP? Got any network lookups? |
00:44.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
00:45.08 | perlmonkey | phew |
00:45.37 | perlmonkey | nevermind |
00:45.44 | perlmonkey | i will try and reinstall debian |
00:46.05 | perlmonkey | i think my new nfs setup just inherited a lot of crap from stuff i used before |
00:46.07 | Sweetandy | If I'm running the default GNOME-based Debian, how difficult would it be to have the computer start in KDE instead assuming I've already installed the KDE packages? |
00:46.16 | perlmonkey | and starting with a fresh filesystem is properly the solution |
00:46.19 | daeos | so since my Xauthority file says my name as user and root as the group..... with chown i forget how to change the usergroup ownerships |
00:46.37 | o2T7 | oh, it is because the folder was a FAT32 mounted partition |
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00:47.14 | daeos | fixed it |
00:47.19 | perlmonkey | cool |
00:47.20 | daeos | karsten: i fixed it with chown |
00:47.27 | perlmonkey | u chown'd it |
00:47.35 | daeos | yep ate it all up |
00:47.47 | perlmonkey | i tried that but it hasnt helped |
00:47.52 | perlmonkey | problem must lie elsewhere |
00:48.22 | daeos | perlmonkey: i was trying to go from gnome to blackbox but had no luck |
00:48.40 | daeos | once i made those 2 files for a wd , x didn't work after that |
00:48.43 | perlmonkey | Sweetandy: easy if you are running gdm you can set kde to be the default |
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00:48.53 | perlmonkey | Sweetandy: else you can edit startx script |
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00:49.09 | Sweetandy | perlmonkey: Yes, I'm running gdm |
00:49.34 | perlmonkey | just set it for default then on your sessions |
00:49.40 | daeos | looks like thats what i want to do also |
00:49.42 | daeos | but not go to kde |
00:49.45 | daeos | i wanted to go to blackbox |
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00:49.55 | Sweetandy | yay blackbox |
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00:50.03 | Tobsn | hu |
00:50.05 | daeos | but don't know how |
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00:50.16 | perlmonkey | i'm running xfce4 as my default now as its the only f'kin desktop that works, but its not bad actually VERY fast compared to gnome and kde |
00:50.25 | Tobsn | hmm how can i see what filesystem is installed a server? |
00:50.26 | perlmonkey | and it looks very slick now too, its improved alot since 3 |
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00:50.42 | daeos | perlmonkey: xfce4 runs slower on my machine vs. gnome |
00:51.03 | perlmonkey | Tobsn: fdisk will show you |
00:51.42 | perlmonkey | also: df -T |
00:51.52 | perlmonkey | quicker way |
00:51.53 | Tobsn | aaah ext3 |
00:51.58 | Tobsn | i need something to undelete |
00:52.05 | daeos | perlmonkey: how would i be able to go to blackbox? i did what dpkg said.. and it screwed up x |
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00:52.16 | perlmonkey | daeoes: really! thats odd |
00:52.19 | Tobsn | i accidently typed rm -rf * in the wrong shell... now /root/ is empty ;) |
00:52.43 | daeos | perlmonkey: yes |
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00:52.54 | perlmonkey | daeos: i'm not sure about blackbox havent had any experience with that |
00:52.54 | daeos | perlmonkey: and... press d then tab to quickly get my name ;) |
00:53.16 | tchough | can someone tell me if there's a way to search for all packages installed on a system from a certain release. for example, can is there a way to list all the sarge-backports packages or experimental packages i have installed? |
00:53.20 | perlmonkey | oops |
00:53.32 | daeos | perlmonkey: what am i missing then? since i followed... let me get the link |
00:53.45 | daeos | !xsession |
00:53.45 | dpkg | methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
00:53.49 | gpm | apt-get install blackbox |
00:53.50 | daeos | that one |
00:53.50 | daeos | i did |
00:53.52 | daeos | i have it installed |
00:53.55 | gpm | echo blackbox > .xinitrc |
00:53.57 | gpm | startx |
00:54.01 | gpm | what's the problem? |
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00:54.09 | daeos | i don't have .xinitrc |
00:54.12 | daeos | and if i do |
00:54.19 | daeos | x fails to do anything |
00:54.22 | perlmonkey | phew things can get very complicated/broken when you start messing with the X startup scripts |
00:54.23 | daeos | just a grey screen |
00:54.26 | Tobsn | any good ideas to undelete on ext3? |
00:54.29 | perlmonkey | thats why its better to leave it to gdm |
00:54.31 | gpm | is there anything in your xinitrc? |
00:54.35 | gpm | if it's not there, create it |
00:54.38 | daeos | it doesn't even exist |
00:54.42 | gpm | ok |
00:54.44 | gpm | so create it |
00:54.54 | gpm | and put blackbox in it |
00:55.13 | gpm | perlmonkey: you can tell gdm to use your xinitrc |
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00:55.45 | perlmonkey | whenever you install a new desktop it should be showing in gdm sessions eh |
00:55.57 | gpm | blackbox is a window manager |
00:56.00 | perlmonkey | then you can switch between them easily and set your favourite as default |
00:56.03 | perlmonkey | oh |
00:56.08 | gpm | some wm packages come with gdm sessions |
00:56.12 | gpm | like fluxbox |
00:56.14 | gpm | but some don't |
00:56.16 | perlmonkey | yes |
00:56.17 | xoz_ | !xsession |
00:56.18 | dpkg | methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
00:56.20 | gpm | like blackbox, or evilwm |
00:56.28 | gpm | not xsession, xinitrc now, right? |
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00:56.39 | gpm | oh |
00:56.42 | gpm | never mind |
00:56.44 | gpm | read the factoid |
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00:56.58 | daeos | ok... let me say this |
00:57.05 | daeos | i followed what the website said |
00:57.08 | azeem | W 35 |
00:57.09 | azeem | oops. |
00:57.11 | xoz_ | !xinitrc |
00:57.11 | gpm | what website? |
00:57.11 | dpkg | xinitrc is, like, just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
00:57.19 | daeos | at the tail end of that factoid |
00:57.36 | daeos | see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
00:57.42 | puntoUY | the new graphic installer uses gtk? |
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00:57.51 | azeem | puntoUY: yes |
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00:58.04 | gpm | daeos: try this: rm ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc |
00:58.10 | puntoUY | without X? |
00:58.14 | gpm | echo blackbox > /.xsession |
00:58.19 | gpm | startx |
00:58.21 | gpm | that should work |
00:58.22 | gpm | i think |
00:58.26 | daeos | gpm: i removed them to get gnome to work again |
00:58.31 | daeos | so i have that rm taken care of |
00:58.37 | daeos | let me try the echo then |
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00:58.48 | daeos | also, im in ssh so i can't run startx |
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00:59.03 | gpm | daeos: well then, how are you testing all this? |
00:59.26 | daeos | ssh and vnc |
00:59.43 | gpm | what exactly are you trying to do? make blackbox your default? |
00:59.50 | daeos | yes |
01:00.23 | gpm | and you're running a full screen X session, not just individual apps, right? |
01:00.33 | daeos | right |
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01:01.21 | puntoUY | azeem, installer uses X? |
01:01.29 | gpm | i don't have much experience with vnc...i do know that if you have no .xinitrc and your .xsession just says "blackbox" then when you start an X session with startx (or if you tell gdm to use your X session) it will start blackbox |
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01:01.43 | azeem | puntoUY: no |
01:01.44 | azeem | directfb |
01:01.59 | daeos | gpm: and ... echo blackbox > /.xsession didn't work... i had to put a ~ before /.xsession |
01:02.10 | cafuego | daeos: You can choose a session from th gdm menu at login; just pick blackbox and when it asks if you'd like it to be your default, say yes. |
01:02.21 | gpm | daeos: yeah, my bad |
01:02.24 | daeos | cafuego: im sshing |
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01:02.26 | gpm | you want .xsession in your home |
01:02.27 | puntoUY | azeem, thanks :) |
01:02.43 | gpm | cafuego: does blackbox come with a gdm session? i don't think it does |
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01:03.00 | daeos | so would i just edit the file and put in there blackbox's applicaiton name? |
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01:03.48 | gpm | just put blackbox |
01:03.53 | gpm | gtg |
01:03.58 | cafuego | gpm: Hmm... was that openbox. Some box did, anyway. |
01:03.59 | daeos | so edit .xsession .... |
01:04.10 | daeos | and put in the word blackbox or something more specific? |
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01:05.02 | daeos | wow |
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01:05.03 | daeos | taht worked |
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01:05.06 | daeos | that* |
01:05.08 | daeos | perfect |
01:05.10 | daeos | now to customize |
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01:06.08 | denver | why does debian's spiral look so much like lucent's logo |
01:06.12 | macksss | When I update etch today it asked to upgrade "linux-image-2.6.18-4-686". Does that require a restart? |
01:06.20 | macksss | err reboot |
01:06.25 | azeem | macksss: if you want to use it, eys |
01:06.28 | azeem | yes* |
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01:06.44 | macksss | azeem, is there a reason why i wouldn't want to use it? |
01:07.30 | azeem | macksss: if somebody will give you 1000$ for another day of uptime, maybe |
01:07.33 | azeem | otherwise, no |
01:07.47 | ateoh211 | how can I confirm a memory leak? I'm using python-gdchart2 and at different times it crashes with a glibc error *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x08278b78 *** |
01:08.30 | ateoh211 | from googling, this appears to be a memory leak, but I'm not sure how to check if the problem is infact with python-gdchart or not |
01:09.18 | macksss | azeem, heh |
01:10.09 | azeem | ateoh211: no, it's a programming error |
01:10.38 | ateoh211 | azeem: what tells you that it's a programming error? |
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01:10.47 | azeem | "glibc error" |
01:11.20 | dexomsrc | Two Debian machines on a network with NFS on both, one mounts another's NFS share rw no problems |
01:11.22 | dexomsrc | The transfer of any large (multigigabyte) file between the two systems via NFS yields very odd transfer rate consistency |
01:11.27 | dexomsrc | It will go at appropriate LAN speeds of ~25MiB/s for a bit, then throttle suddenly all the way down to just a few KiB/s |
01:11.31 | dexomsrc | Then back up again... |
01:11.37 | dexomsrc | Is there a reason for this? Is anything I can do to improve NFS transfer speed performance so it's consistent? |
01:12.07 | ateoh211 | azeem: ok, so I have to trace the error to see if it's my programming error or if it might still be the python-gdchart2 package ? |
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01:12.46 | azeem | ateoh211: what language are you programming in? |
01:12.49 | ateoh211 | it's a bit frustrating, because that is the only error I recieve, usually with python, I have a trace back. |
01:12.56 | ateoh211 | python |
01:13.12 | azeem | ateoh211: then it's likely not your fault |
01:13.33 | ateoh211 | azeem: that's makes me feel better :-) |
01:14.38 | ateoh211 | azeem: so probably track down the (debian)python-gdchart2 maintainer and file a bug report? |
01:14.50 | twobitsprite | how do you get linux to use two monitors like windows does? |
01:15.10 | azeem | ateoh211: just file a bug report, the maintainer will get notified of it |
01:15.11 | nvz | twobitsprite: you dont |
01:15.15 | nvz | http://cock.istheshit.net/http://cock.istheshit.net/ ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testi |
01:15.17 | shogunx | two bit sprite ask google about xinerama |
01:15.18 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
01:15.20 | nvz | heh oops |
01:16.05 | ateoh211 | azeem: will do, thanks for the insight! |
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01:17.00 | Tobsn | hmm anyone an idea how to recover text files? |
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01:18.49 | twobitsprite | shogunx: hmm... so, is it built into x.org? |
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01:19.12 | twobitsprite | it says it's an xfree86 extention... do I have to install it, or is it built in, and does it work on x.org? |
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01:28.06 | ava_tar | hi, i was thinking to switch to debian |
01:28.07 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: good choice |
01:28.07 | nvz | ava_tar: and.. ? |
01:28.07 | ava_tar | but i don't is there a 686 optimized |
01:28.07 | nvz | ava_tar: so? |
01:28.08 | ava_tar | i dont know if there are a 686 optimized |
01:28.08 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: you are asking if debian has version optimized for 686? |
01:28.08 | ava_tar | yes |
01:28.09 | ava_tar | excuese me english |
01:28.09 | nvz | ava_tar: there are kernels for i686 |
01:28.09 | ava_tar | ah but packages? |
01:28.09 | nvz | whats the difference |
01:28.56 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: something tells me you come from gentoo |
01:28.56 | ava_tar | a lot, if im using a p4 xp < processor |
01:28.56 | Caelum | xmlterm seems to be gone from debian, kinda sad it never took off |
01:28.56 | ava_tar | im come from arch linux |
01:28.56 | ava_tar | but i dicide to switch to debian cause th SystemV |
01:28.56 | ava_tar | stuff |
01:28.56 | ava_tar | i never let a chance to debian |
01:28.56 | be`o | oh |
01:28.56 | nvz | heh |
01:28.57 | nvz | BOO to you too |
01:28.57 | twobitsprite | yeah, that systemV stuff is way cool |
01:28.57 | twobitsprite | ? |
01:28.57 | nvz | "be o oh" boo.. |
01:28.57 | ava_tar | the inits process |
01:28.57 | ava_tar | im come from slackware,gentoo, archlinux |
01:28.57 | twobitsprite | funny... init processes have never really been a deciding factor in me choosing a distro... |
01:28.57 | Tobsn | hmm somebody? |
01:28.57 | Tobsn | hmm anyone an idea how to recover text files? |
01:28.57 | ava_tar | and there is a lot of difference in the rc process |
01:28.58 | Tobsn | on ext3 |
01:28.58 | twobitsprite | Tobsn: "recover"? |
01:28.58 | Tobsn | undelete... ;) |
01:28.58 | nvz | twobitsprite: yeah as they are totally configurable |
01:28.58 | Tobsn | i rm -rf'd by accident... |
01:28.58 | twobitsprite | nvz: yeah.. just a bunch of scripts... |
01:28.58 | twobitsprite | Tobsn: to bad |
01:28.58 | twobitsprite | too* |
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01:28.59 | ava_tar | i switch, because never really give a chance to a sysV distro |
01:28.59 | twobitsprite | Tobsn: have backups? |
01:28.59 | Tobsn | nope... thats the problem i was going to make backups and deleting useless stuff... |
01:28.59 | Tobsn | ... |
01:28.59 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all |
01:28.59 | twobitsprite | Tobsn: back up first, delete later |
01:28.59 | Tobsn | yeah... but i skipped that part |
01:28.59 | ava_tar | but there is at least a 686 debian based distro? |
01:28.59 | GhostlyDeath | What package contrains libws.so.3.96? |
01:28.59 | Tobsn | no i want to rebuild all files i deleted in /root/ |
01:29.00 | nvz | ava_tar: well thats great, no we dont have an i686 optimized tree of 20,000+ packages. |
01:29.00 | amphi | !gentoosmite ava_tar |
01:29.00 | Tobsn | any ideas? |
01:29.00 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: people use debian because it has the largest package collection of any OS, not because they squeeze 2% more efficiency out of every lib and executable |
01:29.00 | Tobsn | i found foremost and magicrescue but im not sure thats what i need... |
01:29.00 | nvz | ava_tar: that would be minimal benefit for maximum cost of bandwidth or making software legacy incompatible |
01:29.00 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: not to mention that debian is rock solid as an OS |
01:29.01 | EdLin | also because its easy to administer. |
01:29.01 | ava_tar | ok, im currently installed debian, im writting from a debian etch testing boot cd |
01:29.01 | ava_tar | im connected through irssi (bitchx) |
01:29.01 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: if are seriously bottle-necking on you CPU then maybe you should switch back to gentoo.. |
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01:29.12 | xarquid | hmmm, so I lost sound completely on my laptop using the ALSA driver. i rebooted/reinstalled ALSA etc. but still no sound. any ideas? |
01:29.24 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: however, if you are like the rest of us and hardly see any more then 20% cpu utilization, then debian will be just fine. |
01:29.24 | be`o | ava_tar, you mean a "linux-image-2.6.15-1-686" ? |
01:29.35 | ava_tar | no |
01:29.46 | ava_tar | but anyway im giving a try to debian, |
01:29.58 | nvz | dont ever use the worst irc client and the greatest one in the same sentance unless its to say Irssi > BitchX |
01:30.08 | ava_tar | to upgrade my current distro |
01:30.24 | twobitsprite | nvz: I actually miss using bitchx every now and then... |
01:30.28 | Tobsn | twobitsprite? no idea? |
01:30.35 | be`o | amphi, :D |
01:30.39 | ava_tar | only have to put in sources testing and apt-get upgrade? |
01:30.49 | nvz | twobitsprite: you should ask someone to slap you until the feeling goes away |
01:30.58 | twobitsprite | Tobsn: ohh... I thought I answered that by saying "too bad"... To be more clear, there is no way to recover deleted files |
01:31.08 | twobitsprite | nvz: why, it wasn't that bad |
01:31.12 | amphi | ava_tar: what is 'irssi (bitchx)' ? |
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01:31.24 | ava_tar | an irc terminal client |
01:31.29 | nvz | amphi: its blasphemey |
01:31.51 | amphi | nvz: you mean there is such a hideous chimaera? |
01:31.54 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: irssi is an IRC client... bitchx is _also_ an IRC client... but they are different clients... which one are you using? |
01:32.03 | ava_tar | irssi |
01:32.07 | twobitsprite | amphi: I think ava_tar is confused |
01:32.10 | ava_tar | i think that they were the same |
01:32.15 | amphi | phew |
01:32.17 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: no, different |
01:32.17 | ava_tar | but feel like the same |
01:32.20 | nvz | ava_tar: they are not even close to the same |
01:32.39 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: by "feel like the same" do you mean they both connect to IRC and opertate in a terminal? |
01:32.51 | twobitsprite | s/tate/ate |
01:33.04 | ava_tar | and look similar? |
01:33.34 | aung_ | hi since upgrading to current sid xorg version, my fglrx driver no longer works and it says there is a module requirement mismatch in my drivers. my google search returned no results and I am now using the default driver that came with the installation. anyone know how to fix this? |
01:33.34 | nvz | bitchx feels like a migrain headache |
01:33.34 | nvz | irssi feels like a morphine IV |
01:34.00 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: well.. there are only so many ways to make a text-based IRC client look |
01:34.04 | amphi | nvz: heh |
01:34.40 | twobitsprite | nvz: I think you're taking this whole irc client thing a little to seriously... perhaps you should spend some time outside... or maybe with members of the opposite sex |
01:35.19 | twobitsprite | aung_: you could try running lenny |
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01:35.26 | michael | irssi! |
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01:35.36 | ava_tar | im installed all this with an old debian etch netboot cd? |
01:35.38 | twobitsprite | ircII4evah!!!!11 |
01:35.42 | nvz | twobitsprite: I think you're delusional |
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01:35.56 | michael | ircII, that is old |
01:36.02 | aung_ | twobitsprite I am currently running lenny/sid |
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01:36.20 | twobitsprite | aung_: then my advice would instead to stop mixing branches |
01:36.32 | Dewi | especially not being able to do anything comfortably without dozens of pages of custom scripts |
01:37.04 | Dewi | the kind people just copy from one person to the next and hack, without knowing what any of it really does |
01:37.54 | Dewi | those were the days |
01:37.54 | ava_tar | to reinstall de entire debian to testing, only have to do apt-get dis-upgrade? |
01:37.54 | twobitsprite | Dewi: hehe |
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01:37.56 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: you have to change your sources file, then "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
01:37.56 | nvz | Dewi: yeah but now there is irssi and scriptassist |
01:37.57 | ava_tar | ok simply put testing in sources? |
01:37.57 | aung_ | twobitsprite: okay my bad, but do you know how to fix this problem? |
01:37.57 | twobitsprite | !sources.lilst |
01:37.57 | twobitsprite | !sources.list |
01:37.57 | dpkg | from memory, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security>, or run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database |
01:38.06 | twobitsprite | aung_: nope |
01:38.07 | Dewi | nvz: I don't need any scripts with irssi, it works great out of the box. Except if you like doing a lot of DCC... |
01:38.39 | twobitsprite | Dewi: I didn't think they had warez channels on freenode |
01:38.40 | twobitsprite | :P |
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01:38.54 | twobitsprite | besides, that's what bittorrent is for now |
01:39.01 | xarquid | twobitsprite: irssi has support for multiple networks ;> |
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01:39.52 | twobitsprite | xarquid: the other networks are still around?? :P |
01:39.52 | xarquid | ;p |
01:39.52 | Dewi | twobitsprite: I think you've answered your own question pretty well |
01:39.53 | Dewi | :) |
01:39.53 | aung_ | actually i got another problem |
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01:40.02 | twobitsprite | aung_: stop mixing branches |
01:40.12 | aung_ | how do i correct the crippled line rendering in gnome-terminal 2.18.0-2 |
01:40.35 | Dewi | aung_: mine doesn't seem cripplied |
01:40.39 | Dewi | crippled even |
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01:41.21 | twobitsprite | wb! |
01:41.21 | Dewi | aung_: oh, but I'm running stable now |
01:41.21 | Dewi | I keep forgetting :P |
01:41.29 | Dewi | good old etch |
01:41.29 | PingFloyd_ | he's not necessarily mixing branches, /etc/issue shows lenny/sid for sid |
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01:41.34 | aung_ | Dewi ohh okay |
01:41.34 | ava_tar | and other thing, i would like when use apt-get dist-upgrade to download a base system what i have to do? |
01:41.36 | twobitsprite | works fine in testing, too |
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01:43.02 | ava_tar | only a base system |
01:43.04 | Noborusan | hi guys |
01:43.09 | twobitsprite | in fact, I remember it working on my sid box too.. but then again, I didn't mix branches (*rubs it in real good*) |
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01:43.19 | Dewi | ava_tar: it might not be a good idea to upgrade your base but not the rest |
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01:45.48 | twobitsprite | jesus! |
01:45.54 | liable | yikes |
01:45.57 | ava_tar | clons? |
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01:48.30 | Dewi | ava_tar: but in any case, dist-upgrade will do everything, so don't use it if you only want to upgrade some things |
01:48.33 | amphi | ava_tar: no |
01:48.34 | Dewi | OH HI EVERYONE |
01:48.35 | twobitsprite | I thought irssi was supposed to detect an unsplit and compress all of that |
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01:48.36 | ava_tar | i wanna only have the base system |
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01:48.51 | Dewi | twobitsprite: it normally detects, but didn't this time |
01:48.51 | aung_ | the volume bars in alsamixer are no longer aligned properly. |
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01:48.51 | ava_tar | without every other stuff installed |
01:48.51 | twobitsprite | is it over? |
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01:48.52 | ava_tar | as when i install the base system |
01:48.52 | Dewi | 768 nicks... can't be too many more coming :P |
01:48.56 | ava_tar | do dist upgrade installs only the base system |
01:48.56 | dsch04 | Hi all |
01:48.57 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: dist-upgrade upgrades everything that you currently have installed |
01:48.57 | dsch04 | debian newbie here (experienced Redhat/FC guy though) |
01:48.57 | twobitsprite | dsch04: get out! |
01:48.57 | twobitsprite | :P |
01:48.57 | dsch04 | Heh |
01:48.57 | ava_tar | and what i do to get only a base testing? |
01:48.57 | PingFloyd_ | dist-upgrade will also rework any changed dependencies |
01:48.58 | Dewi | ava_tar: if you want to upgrade only some things, then.... you'll need to manually tell those things to upgrade |
01:48.59 | nvz | dsch04: no, seriously :P |
01:48.59 | dsch04 | I'm installing Debian on a linkstation |
01:48.59 | cafuego | twobitsprite: welcome to the light side |
01:48.59 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: define "base" |
01:48.59 | Dewi | ava_tar: but why would you want to only upgrade base? |
01:49.00 | twobitsprite | cafuego: which side is that? |
01:49.00 | dsch04 | http://linkstationwiki.net/index.php?title=Articles/GeneralFreeLinkTutorial#Install_Software |
01:49.00 | ava_tar | to view after what to install |
01:49.00 | dsch04 | I've got to step 11 - installing webmin |
01:49.00 | twobitsprite | dsch04: ew |
01:49.00 | twobitsprite | dsch04: why? |
01:49.01 | dsch04 | But I get: |
01:49.01 | dsch04 | Package webmin is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
01:49.01 | dsch04 | Why what? |
01:49.01 | twobitsprite | dsch04: webmin was removed |
01:49.01 | twobitsprite | !webmin |
01:49.01 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
01:49.01 | Dewi | it was also awful |
01:49.01 | Dewi | the factoid isn't kidding |
01:49.01 | dsch04 | Hmmm |
01:49.01 | Nielsen | <PROTECTED> |
01:49.02 | michael | hmm |
01:49.02 | ava_tar | but there is a way to only upgrade distro, remove all, and install a minimal base system? |
01:49.02 | Dewi | I only wish I could make my boss believe it |
01:49.02 | michael | who is dondelelcaro |
01:49.02 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: why??? |
01:49.02 | Dewi | michael: somebody well-known here |
01:49.02 | michael | k |
01:49.02 | michael | shoot |
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01:49.02 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: you could download a testing CD, and install from scratch |
01:49.03 | purplepenguins | I need to set that thing up right |
01:49.05 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: but I don't understand why you are so persistant in only wanting to upgrade the "base" system... I don't even know what constitutes a "base" system |
01:49.05 | ava_tar | im currently using a old netboot etch and installed from that , |
01:49.05 | dsch04 | So, is webmin completely gone, finished, not available in any repo anywhere? |
01:49.05 | ava_tar | a base system a clean system terminal |
01:49.05 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: so what's wrong with just upgrading everything to testing? |
01:49.05 | ava_tar | with common binaries |
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01:49.08 | twobitsprite | ohh, it's just you guys |
01:49.08 | ava_tar | that when i use dselect to install links and irssi it installed 100mb in other applications |
01:49.10 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: probably libraries |
01:49.10 | Dewi | twobitsprite: there is some kind of concept of "packages with priority standard" or something like that |
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01:49.14 | Dewi | twobitsprite: but I can't remember if I'm saying the right thing |
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01:49.30 | twobitsprite | Dewi: ohh... never heard of it |
01:49.30 | twobitsprite | GODDAMN |
01:49.30 | Dewi | twobitsprite: but no, debian doesn't have anything we really call a "base system" |
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01:49.47 | twobitsprite | Dewi: I guess there is the stuff you get with a vanilla debootstrap? |
01:49.49 | Dewi | what is this? the complete rebuilding of freenode one server at a time? :P |
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01:50.11 | Dewi | twobitsprite: but even the installer doesn't install all of the stuff I just described unless you choose "standard system" in tasksel |
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01:50.17 | ava_tar | i tell base to a system that only have the common binaries, ex from rm to ifconfig |
01:50.36 | Dewi | ava_tar: that doesn't sound very specific to me |
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01:50.38 | Dewi | ava_tar: is "less" common? |
01:50.43 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: what about vi? |
01:50.49 | twobitsprite | ava_tar: which version of vi? |
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01:50.55 | Dewi | twobitsprite: all debian has vi |
01:50.57 | ava_tar | yeah im telling a base to a non x system |
01:50.59 | Dewi | twobitsprite: but not less |
01:51.03 | purplepenguins | vi is part of POSIX isn't it? |
01:51.25 | purplepenguins | either that or there is some other reason why it is packaged in everything |
01:51.30 | twobitsprite | doesn't busybox have some lame built-in vi? |
01:51.40 | purplepenguins | vim is the best vi |
01:51.53 | Dewi | twobitsprite: pretty much every system has some kind of vi |
01:52.20 | ava_tar | for ex in archlinux, i install a base system of 70mb with basic common aplications to set up an entire system |
01:52.20 | nvz | vi is the devil's own code flowing through mortal men, this is why its in everything |
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01:52.20 | Dewi | ava_tar: the debian base is a lot smaller than that |
01:52.28 | purplepenguins | the cult of vi! |
01:52.28 | Dewi | ava_tar: unless you mean a minimal "standard" install, it's about that size iirc |
01:52.31 | PingFloyd_ | ava_tar: just write a script |
01:52.37 | twobitsprite | nvz: devil... god... whatever |
01:52.58 | Dewi | ava_tar: suggest you go and look at the metadata attached to packages, like 'priority' |
01:52.58 | purplepenguins | an epic level coder |
01:53.02 | purplepenguins | named bill joy |
01:53.03 | PingFloyd_ | exactly |
01:53.05 | ava_tar | yea im trying to translate a minimal standard install, excuse |
01:53.20 | PingFloyd_ | have the script check for priority: required |
01:54.33 | Dewi | ava_tar: there are different levels of priority. bash is "required", nvi is "important", less is "standard", perl is "standard" |
01:55.42 | ava_tar | ex when i do a du in my current system i got 632 mb, |
01:55.42 | ava_tar | and i dont have x |
01:55.43 | Dewi | ava_tar: at a guess, I think the debian installer installs "required" and "important" packages, but will prompt you to install "a standard systemin" in tasksel which installs everything in priority "standard". Okay? |
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01:56.08 | ava_tar | i dont know what have installed dselect, cause it installed a lot of stuff, to view manually one per one |
01:56.12 | PingFloyd_ | or use a front end like deselect or aptitude and do it manually |
01:56.26 | Dewi | ava_tar: what you don't know won't hurt you |
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01:57.01 | ava_tar | now currently the only thing to install an actual debian testing is an old debian etch testing netboot cd |
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01:57.21 | Dewi | ava_tar: downlod a new netinst, they are under 200mb |
01:57.22 | PingFloyd_ | ava_tar: apt-rdepends will tell you |
01:57.37 | abrotman | he could use deborphan |
01:57.51 | ava_tar | yeah but i dont have linux, windows nothing to download and burn a cd |
01:57.52 | Dewi | ava_tar: but it should technically still work - just be careful to make sure the sources says "etch" NOT "testing" or you'll find yourself running lenny |
01:58.14 | Dewi | (I think) |
01:58.22 | ava_tar | i need to run the testing |
01:58.22 | Dewi | not sure when they fixed that |
01:58.42 | ava_tar | not only lenny, set my system as testing |
01:59.02 | ava_tar | i tried to change the sources list to testing |
01:59.17 | unlink | i get the error "You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file." when i try to play any song in banshee. |
01:59.30 | Dewi | unlink: what format? |
01:59.33 | unlink | Dewi: mp3 |
01:59.38 | PingFloyd_ | unlink: means you're missing a needed codec |
01:59.40 | Dewi | unlink: mp3 isn't free |
01:59.46 | ava_tar | but it gives me a lot of gpg errors |
01:59.51 | Dewi | unlink: so I understand you might need to jump through hoops to get it |
02:00.06 | PingFloyd_ | ava_tar: you need to install the package for the archive keyring |
02:00.09 | Dewi | !mp3 |
02:00.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
02:00.29 | Dewi | !tell ava_tar about debian archive keyring |
02:00.34 | Dewi | !tell ava_tar about keyring |
02:00.34 | PingFloyd_ | i.e. debian-archive-keyring |
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02:01.18 | abrotman | unlink: try another format in banshee |
02:01.24 | unlink | abrotman: vorbis works. |
02:02.01 | abrotman | unlink: did you check the README or the docs or the BTS ? |
02:02.29 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
02:02.29 | dpkg | i guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
02:03.08 | ava_tar | apt-get debian-keyring? |
02:03.13 | unlink | abrotman: i did. it claims to support mp3, there's no debian readme, and i don't see any similar issues on google. |
02:03.17 | ava_tar | apt-get install debian-keyring? |
02:03.29 | Nielsen | debian-archive-keyring |
02:03.37 | unlink | abrotman: there's a generic readme, but it says nothing about mp3. i have all the banshee packages installed. |
02:03.38 | abrotman | unlink: bts ? |
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02:04.06 | PingFloyd_ | debian-keyring is the old one |
02:04.31 | PingFloyd_ | you want debian-archive-keyring |
02:04.33 | unlink | abrotman: nothing |
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02:05.32 | Sweetandy | I have installed KDE. Should I install kdm? |
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02:05.36 | unlink | abrotman: the thing is, it imports the mp3s and reads the metadata fine. |
02:05.42 | unlink | abrotman: the mp3s themselves work, of course |
02:06.01 | Sweetandy | nvm got my answer |
02:06.03 | Sweetandy | 8 D |
02:06.05 | Sweetandy | Thanks everybody |
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02:07.36 | puntoUY | i'm looking for something like the MS Virtual PC. |
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02:07.42 | abrotman | qemu |
02:07.43 | puntoUY | to run an ISO |
02:07.52 | puntoUY | qemu? |
02:08.17 | peyote | vmware player |
02:08.21 | amphi | puntoUY: qemu -cdrom foo.iso -boot d |
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02:08.31 | roby | I want to start with Enterprise Java Beans, does debian package an EJB server? |
02:08.32 | sn0 | virtualbox is quite nice, less hogy than vmware |
02:08.39 | sn0 | useful if you don't need all vmware's options |
02:08.46 | abrotman | unlink: etch ? |
02:08.53 | unlink | abrotman: yes |
02:08.53 | puntoUY | i use etch |
02:09.09 | abrotman | unlink: works fine here! |
02:09.10 | abrotman | !qemu |
02:09.10 | dpkg | qemu is, like, a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
02:09.20 | unlink | abrotman: mp3 + banshee? |
02:09.27 | unlink | abrotman: i386? |
02:09.32 | peyote | roby: you can download jboss.. just untar the archive. but theres no package. |
02:09.40 | abrotman | unlink: yep |
02:09.48 | abrotman | unlink: aptitude install banshee .. all works fine |
02:09.50 | puntoUY | i will try qemu, thanks :) |
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02:10.50 | roby | peyote: thanks |
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02:11.49 | unlink | abrotman: gstreamer? |
02:12.00 | bruno-cassol | guys.. i need to know what editor you recomend for PHP dev under debian? (please no vi) |
02:12.24 | abrotman | unlink: i thnik so |
02:12.27 | Nielsen | bruno-cassol: quanta ;) |
02:12.47 | abrotman | bruno-cassol: vim |
02:12.47 | PingFloyd_ | bruno-cassol: vim |
02:12.47 | Kevin` | bruno-cassol I usually use nano, but that's not ideal |
02:12.47 | PingFloyd_ | bruno-cassol: or vim-gtk |
02:12.48 | victori | bruno-cassol, eclipse with viplugin obviously |
02:12.57 | Nielsen | hehe or mc -e |
02:13.06 | victori | just use eclipse with php IDE |
02:13.11 | bruno-cassol | people downgrade eclipse to such a vi level with extensions? |
02:13.12 | victori | you should feel at home there |
02:13.24 | victori | anyway why bother dealing with php anyway where there are better solutions? |
02:13.34 | bruno-cassol | =) |
02:13.43 | litage | how does one force logrotate to rotate a log file? from the manpage, i thought ``logrotate -fv /etc/logrotate.d/asterisk'' would force rotation even if logrotate doesn't think it's necessary. however, running that results in this output: considering log /var/log/asterisk/messages. log does not need rotating |
02:13.53 | bruno-cassol | thast no what i asked victori =) lets not start a language war here |
02:14.10 | victori | I did give you an answer |
02:14.17 | bruno-cassol | i apreciate |
02:14.33 | bruno-cassol | i already worked with eclipse and that will be my first try |
02:14.37 | bruno-cassol | thank you guys |
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02:17.40 | unlink | abrotman: that's it, it was a gstreamer plugin |
02:17.52 | abrotman | unlink: all happy now ? |
02:18.10 | twobitsprite | bruno-cassol: what's wrong with vi? |
02:18.33 | bruno-cassol | nothing |
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02:19.17 | puntoUY | wow!!! qemu rocks :D |
02:19.18 | abrotman | unlink: that's a hellishly bloated player :) |
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02:19.51 | twobitsprite | puntoUY: indeed |
02:20.10 | twobitsprite | bruno-cassol: just don't like it for PHP? |
02:20.43 | twobitsprite | how do I force apt-get to fully re-download and reinstall a package and all it's depends? |
02:20.56 | PingFloyd_ | --reinstall |
02:21.20 | twobitsprite | PingFloyd_: doesn't seem to do what I'm describing |
02:21.34 | PingFloyd_ | apt-get install --reinstall packages |
02:21.48 | Nielsen | twobitsprite: you need to name all the packages manually |
02:21.58 | twobitsprite | Nielsen: ahh |
02:22.05 | PingFloyd_ | or purge the main package first |
02:22.10 | PingFloyd_ | and then install it again |
02:22.23 | Nielsen | twobitsprite: apt-cache show package and look for the depends line |
02:22.25 | PingFloyd_ | maybe will need to run deborphan as well |
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02:24.07 | PingFloyd_ | apt-rdepends --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed pkg(s) |
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02:24.45 | zeelot | hello |
02:24.57 | PingFloyd_ | you can also pipe that into say apt-get remove --purge, but exercise some care and do a test run first |
02:25.27 | zeelot | I have a 700gig ext3 partition, how can I mount it to /home/backup so that all users can read and write to it? |
02:25.29 | magyar | hi, need to copy files from one server to another in the same network. What is the quickest way to do that? |
02:25.39 | Noborusan | can someone suggest me a good domain mange tool ? |
02:25.45 | themill | magyar: rsync |
02:25.47 | Noborusan | I cannot afford cpanel |
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02:26.25 | abrotman | zeelot: man mount |
02:26.45 | edju | How do I configure hald? /etc/hal/ doesn't seem to have a config file, I don't have hald.conf (running etch) $ /usr/lib/hal just has scary-looking executables. |
02:26.46 | Nielsen | magyar: rsync or scp |
02:26.56 | twobitsprite | Noborusan: are you running a hosting service? |
02:27.10 | Noborusan | twobitsprite, will do,im currently working on it,so yes |
02:27.15 | magyar | Nielsen: what about mounting a drive over the network? |
02:27.50 | Noborusan | twobitsprite, plesk is acceptable by renting ,cpanel is outta budget |
02:27.51 | magyar | Nielsen: rsync and scp will use ssh |
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02:28.20 | Nielsen | magyar: well, there is nfs, smbfs, and so on... you wern't very specific in what you needed |
02:28.34 | twobitsprite | Noborusan: might be better off asking in #web maybe? |
02:28.44 | Noborusan | oh,thanks |
02:28.48 | magyar | Nielsen: smbfs sounds good |
02:29.09 | twobitsprite | magyar: if its from unix to unix, use nfs... smbfs is _slow_ |
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02:29.19 | abrotman | rsync doesn't have to use ssh |
02:31.00 | purplepenguins | nfs is good |
02:31.00 | purplepenguins | for unix lans |
02:31.00 | magyar | twobitsprite: i need to configure nfs on both servers |
02:31.00 | twobitsprite | magyar: is this an obstacle, or simply an observation? |
02:31.01 | magyar | twobitsprite: not really an obsticle, but more of a setting up issue |
02:31.20 | twobitsprite | echo "/ *" > /etc/exports ... something like that? |
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02:31.33 | Master_Medic | hey |
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02:32.16 | twobitsprite | or maybe: echo "/ 0.0.0.0(rw)" >> /etc/exports && /etc/init.d/nfs restart |
02:32.36 | Master_Medic | i want to use curl in this c program, so i did #include <curl/curl.h> but it says that there is no such file or directory |
02:32.41 | Master_Medic | i have libcurl3 installed and everything |
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02:32.47 | Master_Medic | but for some reason there are no header files |
02:32.52 | Master_Medic | or any curl libs |
02:32.57 | Master_Medic | yet curl does work |
02:32.57 | twobitsprite | Master_Medic: libcurl3-dev? |
02:33.04 | Master_Medic | no.. not the -dev one |
02:33.06 | Master_Medic | i need that? |
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02:33.25 | twobitsprite | the -dev packages usually include the stuff you need to compile against a given library... so yes |
02:33.32 | Master_Medic | ahh ic |
02:33.34 | Master_Medic | thanks :] |
02:33.37 | twobitsprite | np |
02:33.40 | zeelot | abrotman: anything specific to look at? |
02:34.08 | abrotman | zeelot: there are options for permissions for mounting |
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02:38.43 | shadey_ | karsten: I don't know... what do these 'chicks' look like? :-) |
02:38.58 | buu | JESUS COME TO LIFE. |
02:39.28 | Nielsen | buu: good for him |
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02:41.41 | dfranke | is there a debian installer available intended for booting from a USB drive? |
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02:42.14 | abrotman | !usb install |
02:42.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
02:42.21 | abrotman | i think you want the second |
02:42.38 | dfranke | ok, thanks. |
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02:43.31 | dfranke | (I heard a rumor that the mobo I'm about to buy has trouble booting from my SATA DVD drive, so I want a back-up plan just in case) |
02:45.06 | zeelot | abrotman: dont get it = / |
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02:47.08 | sciron | every --method=ftp usage of debmirror results in an Illegal PORT command. any clue where I can look for diagnostics? |
02:48.06 | Nielsen | signuts: check for passive/active ftp settings |
02:48.36 | sciron | tried that, same results. http xfers simply result in 404s from files I have verified through a browser that exist |
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02:51.30 | cammoblammo | Can anyone tell me how to add a label to a vfat USB drive at /dev/sda1? mtools seems to want a drive letter, and nothing else seems to do vfat. |
02:52.52 | Nielsen | cammoblammo: are you formatting it or do you just want a label? |
02:53.25 | cammoblammo | I just want to add a label |
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02:54.23 | sciron | apparently i'm having a fit of rectal-cranial inversion |
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02:55.39 | mfrisch | abrotman: I have a question does dsl use a specific lease time for dhcp? |
02:55.49 | abrotman | up to the ISP |
02:56.14 | mfrisch | abrotman: thought so thanks. how are you? |
02:56.23 | abrotman | tired |
02:56.29 | mfrisch | me too |
02:57.07 | Nielsen | cammoblammo: i can't seem to find the command. |
02:57.17 | mfrisch | I just converted another windows user ;-) (to debian) |
02:57.28 | zeelot | hey I installed kde into debian and now when I try to run a program from the console I get an error Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
02:57.35 | abrotman | don't run apps as root |
02:57.41 | cammoblammo | Nielsen: Neither can I! mlabel si the obvious one, but /dev/sda1 doesn't have a drive letter. |
02:57.52 | zeelot | I dont know if kde is the problem but it was a fresh install without desktop environment |
02:57.53 | Nielsen | cammoblammo: i'll do a bit of testing |
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02:58.15 | abrotman | zeelot: i believe ext3 supports the fmask and dmask optoins for mount |
02:58.55 | mfrisch | abrotman: or sux but if he doesn't know |
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02:59.24 | en1gma | hey all wuzzup |
02:59.53 | en1gma | i just installed firestarter firewall and dont see it in any of the K-menus |
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02:59.58 | en1gma | where does it install it at |
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03:00.44 | abrotman | try the debian menu |
03:00.50 | nevyn | ~~ |
03:00.58 | apt | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
03:00.58 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
03:00.58 | nevyn | eep! |
03:00.58 | chuck | ok i've got a debian installation, and everything works fine except for when i try to connect to an irc network |
03:00.58 | nevyn | sorry about that. |
03:01.01 | chuck | anyone know why? |
03:01.20 | en1gma | thanks |
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03:02.35 | Nielsen | cammoblammo: you need to configure mtools.conf |
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03:02.50 | Nielsen | cammoblammo: man mtools.conf |
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03:03.23 | cammoblammo | Nielsen: Thanks. I'll check it out. |
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03:09.12 | bruno-cassol | after installing eclipse from synaptic it said: "A Java Runtime Environment (JRE) or Java Development Kit (JDK) must be available in order to run Eclipse". What should I do? (probably the question is what virtual machine should I install) |
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03:09.29 | asarch | !java |
03:09.29 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
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03:10.16 | cwheeler | !install java |
03:10.17 | dpkg | from memory, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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03:12.11 | bruno-cassol | whast most advanced free java virtual machine? |
03:12.15 | bruno-cassol | whats* |
03:12.40 | abrotman | you'd think the sun one .. no? |
03:13.21 | bruno-cassol | i mean the real free ones.. close source is nt considered free.. you pay a price for it even if is not money |
03:13.40 | asarch | bruno-cassol: ClassPath? |
03:13.58 | abrotman | ask #debian-java on irc.oftc.net |
03:15.01 | cplx_ | hi guys |
03:15.06 | cplx_ | how can i use apt-get with a proxy config script |
03:15.42 | cplx_ | ive tried" export http_proxy="http://whatever.wahtever.com/proxy.proxy" |
03:15.45 | cplx_ | and its not working |
03:17.25 | bruno-cassol | i have gij (gnu java bytecode interpreter) installed and eclipse still says there is not java virtual machine installed... who's wrong? me or eclipse? |
03:18.17 | abrotman | cplx_: man apt.conf ? |
03:18.19 | cplx_ | when i do an apt-get update it just says "Failed to fetch etc etc" |
03:18.28 | cplx_ | abrotman: can I use a proxy config script with apt? |
03:18.51 | abrotman | NFC .. i don't use apt-get with a proxy .. and never have |
03:19.00 | cplx_ | rofl. |
03:19.23 | nevyn | cplx_: export http_proxy="http://proxy:8080/" |
03:19.52 | cplx_ | nevyn: read up mate. |
03:20.06 | nevyn | cplx_: do you need to authenticate to the proxy? |
03:20.16 | cplx_ | nevyn: export http_proxy="http://whatever.whatever:3128/proxy.proxy" |
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03:20.26 | cplx_ | nevyn: don't think so. |
03:20.37 | nevyn | what's proxy.proxy on the end? |
03:21.01 | cplx_ | nevyn: actually use I thik i do need to authenticate.. it says "111 connection refused" |
03:21.06 | cplx_ | nevyn: auto config proxy script |
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03:21.20 | nevyn | ah. |
03:21.24 | nevyn | that won't work |
03:21.27 | piztek3 | anyone here know how to install awn? |
03:21.39 | nevyn | you need to specify the actual http proxy. |
03:21.51 | nevyn | not the .pac |
03:23.50 | cplx_ | nevyn: how do i authenticate with it? |
03:23.51 | nevyn | export http_proxy="http://user.password@proxy:port/ |
03:23.51 | nevyn | " |
03:23.51 | nevyn | I think |
03:23.51 | nevyn | I think it's . it may be : |
03:23.51 | nevyn | as the user pass seperator |
03:23.58 | nevyn | nah it's not : |
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03:26.31 | kpaolo | hi |
03:27.52 | kpaolo | someone can tell me how to get the fonts of the main menù bold?? |
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03:28.57 | tritoul | hey guys, I'm moving from gentoo to debian, what's the equivalent of USE Flags ? when I want to apt-get install mysql-server, there are tones of dependencies, where can I set them ? |
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03:29.38 | nevyn | tritoul: you don't get that level of granularity |
03:29.49 | tritoul | :) what if I cant to get that level of granularity ? |
03:29.58 | nevyn | ? |
03:29.58 | tritoul | sorry what if I want ... |
03:30.06 | nevyn | use gentoo ;) |
03:30.09 | kpaolo | someone can tell me how to get the fonts of the main menù bold?? |
03:30.16 | kpaolo | i'm using gnome |
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03:31.03 | nevyn | tritoul: seriously.. I can't be bothered with gentoo but if you want to rebuild applications when you've forgotten ldap support and then find you need it or whatever.. use gentoo. |
03:31.18 | tritoul | nevyn: I am not moving from gentoo, I loved it too much :P |
03:31.41 | thingfish | you just said you were. |
03:31.55 | bruno-cassol | yes you did |
03:31.56 | \amethyst | If you're recompiling all your programs with a subset of the features from the debian package, it's not really debian anymore |
03:32.06 | nevyn | that's the thing |
03:32.12 | asarch | \amethyst: Is gentoo |
03:32.18 | piztek3 | is there a chat for awn or avant window manager |
03:32.18 | asarch | \amethyst: :-D |
03:32.33 | nevyn | debian provides a single binary that has the features that the maintainer decides are important |
03:32.54 | DawnLight | maintainers are cool |
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03:33.41 | \amethyst | tritoul: you can rebuild the packages yourself, and edit the debian/rules etc to change the way it's compiled... but that's not quite the same as USE flags |
03:33.47 | tritoul | I just need more experience of debian for my next job so I installed it in a vmware on my sweet gentoo. It takes me 100mb for mysql-server, the mysql-server package takes like 30mb, what is there a way of not installing all the dependencies package ? |
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03:34.26 | \amethyst | tritoul: because it won't work without the dependency packages |
03:34.46 | piztek3 | anyone know anything about awn? |
03:35.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hiryu, I want to connect to a wifi network, in shared mode with an ASCII key, whats the command I should use: iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open ? |
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03:35.23 | nevyn | tritoul: because they're dependancies.. |
03:35.26 | tritoul | \amethyst: my mysql-server can work well without the tones of perl package that apt-get try to make me install. |
03:35.30 | nevyn | they're needed to make the program work. |
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03:35.39 | shazam | hello |
03:35.41 | shazam | im using etch |
03:35.42 | nevyn | tritoul: can.. the debian package doesn't |
03:35.43 | shazam | wanna switch to sid |
03:35.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hiryu, I want to connect to a wifi network, in shared mode with an ASCII key, whats the command I should use: iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open ? |
03:35.47 | \amethyst | tritoul: which perl packages? |
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03:35.48 | shazam | is there an easy way to do this? |
03:35.56 | Akuma_ | i have a symlink to a bin file, but that file looks into its current dir for another one so it fails when executed from the symlink. is there a way to fix that? |
03:35.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hello, I want to connect to a wifi network, in shared mode with an ASCII key, whats the command I should use: iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open ? |
03:36.14 | xoz_ | shazam: if you have to ask, then don't switch |
03:36.38 | xoz_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
03:36.55 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop you have to use a special syntax to have it convert the ascii key to the actual hex key for you |
03:36.56 | tritoul | \amethyst: libplrpc-perl, libdbi-perl, and much more |
03:37.00 | Kevin` | I think it's a:somekey |
03:37.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | xoz_, I'm in windows right now, I cant connecto from gnu/linux |
03:37.19 | Kevin` | man iwconfig will tell you |
03:37.26 | Kevin` | but I don't have iwconfig on this computer, so I can't check |
03:37.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, why an hex key? it uses an ASCII key |
03:38.06 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop all keys are really hex keys, it just has to do a conversion to get from the ascii key to the real key |
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03:38.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | my doubt is the "shared" mode, I dont know how to specify this thing |
03:38.36 | Kevin` | can you see my view on using ascii keys? ;) |
03:38.45 | Rusty1 | gonzaloaf_laptop: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/iwconfig.8.html |
03:38.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, it is with the "s:key" |
03:39.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | "s:your_key" |
03:39.13 | Kevin` | ok, good |
03:39.14 | Kevin` | then you know.. |
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03:39.46 | Sazpaimon | dammit, i forgot the command that displays the last few lines of a file |
03:39.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I used that but it didnt work anyway.... how do I tell it to use the shared way? |
03:40.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Sazpaimon, tail |
03:40.07 | Sazpaimon | thanks |
03:40.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | np |
03:40.33 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_work the way you specifified is a shared key, anything else uses dynamic keys and requires special programs to authenticate |
03:41.03 | Kevin` | (and happens to be more secure, btw, but most people really don't need to bother with that sort of thing) |
03:41.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, can you tell me the whole line of iwconfig? |
03:41.26 | Kevin` | iwconfig ath0 essid BlahPoint key s:hello |
03:41.39 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I have tried with iwconfig ath0 essid xxxx key yyyyy open |
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03:42.51 | Kevin` | oh also, be sure to bring the interface up first |
03:43.05 | Kevin` | otherwise the radio is disabled and you won't connect |
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03:43.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, it was up |
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03:47.46 | gonzaloaf_laptop | If the output of the iwlist command was http://www.pastebin.ca/488703 what command should I use to connect to that network? |
03:48.49 | thingfish | gosh etch sure is nice. |
03:49.00 | Kevin` | iwconfig ath0 essid "UP_WI-Fi" key 1234fedcba |
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03:49.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, ok let me try |
03:49.47 | thingfish | Nielsen: sid is not in tantrum mode atm? |
03:50.00 | Nielsen | not for me, at least |
03:50.15 | thingfish | OK might as well try it out for myself. |
03:50.23 | Kevin` | that was, of course, an example key |
03:50.50 | Nielsen | thingfish: i think the trick is not to dist-upgrade that often |
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03:51.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I know |
03:51.25 | thingfish | Nielsen: indeed. That's always been the way to do sid, at least for us less adventurous types. |
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03:52.08 | en1gma | sup akk |
03:52.08 | fonstor | can i allocate freespace in a non-LVM drive to a fs? i know that will re-write the partition table in the MBR. |
03:52.08 | fonstor | i mean will not destroy any existing partitions on the drive? |
03:52.08 | fonstor | will it |
03:52.34 | Kevin` | as in, use a filesystem on a normal partition? |
03:52.39 | Kevin` | is that what your asking? |
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03:53.10 | en1gma | i have a cable modem connected to cpu1 and cpu1 connects to cpu2 (local network) i have ipmasq and firestarter on cpu1. when i start firestarter cpu1 can connect....if i enable ICS neither cpu1 or cpu2 can connect to net |
03:53.24 | en1gma | do i need to do somehting with ipmasq or what |
03:53.24 | Kevin` | you can put a filesystem on any block device with a driver that supports basic operations |
03:53.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how can I share this connection to my desktop? I have a Linksys wrt54g router.... I'm connected right now in my laptop to a wifi net.... can I share the connection to my desktop using my router? |
03:53.32 | \amethyst | en1gma: ICS? |
03:53.40 | en1gma | firestarter has ICS |
03:53.47 | en1gma | internet connection sharing |
03:53.55 | en1gma | so it says |
03:54.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | firestarter? |
03:54.23 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop use enable ip forwarding and NAT on your computer, then connect the router to your computer's lan poirt |
03:54.23 | \amethyst | it's a firewall config tool |
03:54.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I forgot to mention that I'm in winbugs right now |
03:54.33 | Kevin` | you can connect to either the lan or wan ports, depending on your configuration |
03:54.34 | xoz | en1gma: make sure you enabled IP forwarding |
03:54.40 | en1gma | where do i do that at |
03:54.42 | cafuego | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE; sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
03:54.46 | cafuego | tadah, ICS |
03:54.52 | en1gma | okie 1 sec |
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03:54.59 | en1gma | i think its on my eth2 though |
03:55.02 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop windows can do this too, but it really sucks at bieng a router.. use it only if you have to |
03:55.06 | cafuego | s/ppp0/whatever interafce is wan/ |
03:55.11 | en1gma | would that be pp2 |
03:55.26 | en1gma | and i think its using ip6 |
03:55.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I'm using winbugs because I cannot connect to the wifi net from debian, I dont know why |
03:56.56 | \amethyst | what do statisctics packages have to do with wifi? |
03:56.59 | Kevin` | this is one of those things where bieng there would probably help - I have very good luck with wifi when I touch it, but other people don't :) |
03:57.02 | \amethyst | s/sct/st/ |
03:57.40 | intruder | Kevin`: :) |
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03:58.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Can I connect my wrt54g to the wifi network and share the connection to all my computers in my house? |
03:59.19 | Kevin` | should be able to. |
03:59.36 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, how? |
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03:59.41 | Kevin` | first, a question: |
04:00.05 | Kevin` | do you want to bridge it so local computers connect to the wrt54g like it's the original wifi network, or put it in pure client mode and route |
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04:02.56 | goston | hi |
04:03.02 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop well? |
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04:03.40 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, yep |
04:03.45 | Kevin` | which. |
04:03.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, first option |
04:04.10 | Kevin` | the first is more tricky to set up, and may need cooperation from the other access point |
04:04.13 | goston | can i allocate freespace in a non-LVM drive to a fs ? will it destroy any existing fs? i understand it will involve re-writing the partition table in the MBR. |
04:04.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, what about the 2nd? |
04:04.38 | en1gma | anyone have a firestarter howto for ics |
04:04.46 | en1gma | ill read it i dont mind |
04:05.11 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop that will work for any configuration but will tie up the radio on the router, so you will have to connect to it with ethernet or connect a second ap to it |
04:05.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I can use ethernet |
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04:06.28 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop in either case, you will need custom firmware on your router to do this |
04:06.36 | Kevin` | fairly easy to do. |
04:06.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, :o |
04:06.58 | goston | no disk partition expert around? |
04:06.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | any possibility to damage it? |
04:07.00 | Kevin` | if you have no very little experience with linux or ip routing I recommend dd-wrt, otherwise openwrt |
04:07.12 | Kevin` | it's very hard to irreperably damage |
04:07.35 | Kevin` | there are low level recovery methods that are pretty easy to do and will work as long as you haven't broken the hardware |
04:08.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, after I can get back the original firmware? or the new one will be the same with more features? |
04:08.37 | Kevin` | it will be different with a lot more features =p |
04:08.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, ok lets do that |
04:08.52 | Kevin` | and yes, you can go back if you want |
04:09.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, do you have the same AP? |
04:09.03 | Kevin` | which version of the wrt54g do you have |
04:09.08 | Kevin` | I do have one |
04:09.18 | Kevin` | it's sitting on my desk bieng an ap |
04:09.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, 2 |
04:09.23 | Kevin` | i've had it for several years |
04:09.30 | Kevin` | ah, 2 is good. |
04:09.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, Firmware Version: v3.03.6 |
04:10.21 | Kevin` | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Linksys/WRT54G |
04:10.24 | Kevin` | general reading |
04:11.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, the page seems to be down |
04:11.44 | Kevin` | press f5 |
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04:12.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | same thing |
04:13.09 | Kevin` | well it's working for me :/ |
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04:13.41 | Kevin` | anyway, I suppose you could get along without reading that |
04:13.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ok |
04:13.51 | gonzaloaf_laptop | it is working now |
04:13.53 | Kevin` | do you consider yourself good with linux and ip? |
04:14.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, yep |
04:14.21 | Kevin` | definitely install openwrt then |
04:14.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what version? |
04:14.33 | Kevin` | 0.9 |
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04:15.11 | Kevin` | if your feeling lucky you could install the svn version, which has quite a few new features like virtual access points and such, but, only do that when you know how to recover it :) |
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04:16.44 | Kevin` | further talk should be in #openwrt, as this is definitely not debian, and I don't know all the intricacies of the default config system |
04:17.06 | Heston | why isnt there a netinstall iso in the testing weekly repository? |
04:17.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, where did you download it from? |
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04:18.22 | Kevin` | I did svn co https://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/branches/whiterussian/, but perhaps you want this: http://downloads.openwrt.org/whiterussian/0.9/default/openwrt-wrt54g-squashfs.bin |
04:19.44 | Kevin` | you can actually just stick that into the web interface, but I strongly recommend you do the install via tftp so you know you can do it in the future when you break something |
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04:21.36 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, the whiterussian version? |
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04:22.39 | en1gma | can someone please help with firestarter |
04:22.42 | Kevin` | yes, install the whiterussian version. anything newer then 0.9 will be a snapshot of the development version and might not be stable |
04:22.48 | en1gma | i have the howto up but it is not working |
04:22.56 | en1gma | http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php |
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04:23.42 | Kevin` | never used firestarter, my version of connection sharing involves two commands and installing isc dhcpd |
04:24.18 | en1gma | well the firewall actually is nice |
04:24.25 | en1gma | reports me as stealth at grc.com |
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04:24.46 | Kevin` | if I wanted stealth I wouldn't have to manage my own firewall now would I :) |
04:24.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, are you there? |
04:25.01 | Kevin` | yes i'm here |
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04:25.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I think I lost connection |
04:25.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | can we continue? |
04:25.15 | Kevin` | you seem to be here |
04:25.38 | en1gma | :) |
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04:26.25 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what branch of the openwrt do I have to donwload? |
04:26.39 | Kevin` | I gave you a link to the appropriate file before :/ |
04:27.05 | Kevin` | you want openwrt whiterussian 0.9 standard for the wrt54g |
04:27.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I didnt receive it |
04:27.17 | be`o | how do I check encoding of one file? it should be utf-8 |
04:27.26 | Kevin` | http://downloads.openwrt.org/whiterussian/0.9/default/openwrt-wrt54g-squashfs.bin |
04:27.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | be`o, enc |
04:27.56 | Kevin` | be`o 'file' will report most information about a file |
04:28.15 | be`o | Kevin`, it just show type of file, not encode |
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04:28.53 | Kevin` | well I don't have a utf8 text file to test with, but I remember it reporting things like that |
04:29.44 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing - recommended tftp |
04:29.52 | bruno-cassol | anyone here had sucess installing eclipse with PHP plugin? |
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04:30.06 | Noborusan | There is a new product which seems to replace GD lib,i forgot the name of it,maybe ImageMagic ? |
04:30.14 | lfs | U need to create a filesystem before mounting a partition? |
04:30.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, remember that I 'm in winbugs right now |
04:30.34 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop and? :) |
04:30.39 | lfs | WHat is mkfs command for creating a filesystem? |
04:30.47 | Kevin` | i'll remember it, but it doesn't really matter whether your in windows or linux |
04:30.54 | Kevin` | lfs what type of filesystem |
04:31.00 | lfs | I dont really care |
04:31.08 | Kevin` | mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever |
04:31.20 | lfs | tks |
04:31.27 | Kevin` | you can also do it to a normal file if you have reason to, of course |
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04:35.37 | lfs | I am trying to make a boot grub USB stick |
04:36.03 | lfs | SO I created two partitions on the stick and copied /boot/grub to it. |
04:36.33 | Nielsen | lfs: i tried that too, and failed, since it relies on the usb disk being the same device on boot |
04:36.59 | Kevin` | lfs when you install grub make sure grub thinks the device is the first hard disk |
04:37.02 | Nielsen | so it's not a portable boot disk |
04:37.26 | Kevin` | when the bios boots from it it will be the first device |
04:37.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, i'm flashing it out |
04:37.43 | Nielsen | Kevin`: i tried that too, without luck. as soon as i booted on another pc, with a disk, it failed |
04:37.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wait a sec |
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04:38.25 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop most management in openwrt, at least the way i've always used it, is done through ssh, fyi |
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04:40.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, wait a moment I have to disconnect from internet to do the flashng thing, I have to change the IP of my computer |
04:41.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | brb |
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04:46.08 | lfs | Will setup update device.map? |
04:47.30 | Kevin` | grub-install will use the existing map unless it doesn't exist. not sure about setup from within linux |
04:47.44 | Kevin` | setup from outside linux, of course, doesn't use the map, because it doesn't need it |
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04:50.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I have a problem |
04:50.34 | Kevin` | ? |
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04:51.18 | Kevin` | well? |
04:51.21 | lfs | How to setup outside linux? |
04:51.59 | Kevin` | you can run setup from grub itself |
04:52.28 | Kevin` | but since your using a device that won't be in it's normal place until it's used, just edit the map appropriately |
04:52.31 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, C:\Downloads>tftp -i 192.168.1.1 PUT openwrt-wrt54g-squashfs.bin |
04:52.31 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Error in the serverr: Invalid Password !! |
04:52.43 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop you waited too long |
04:52.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, for what? |
04:53.07 | Kevin` | you waited too long before sending it |
04:53.20 | Kevin` | you have to send it while the bootloader is waiting, it's only a one or two second window |
04:53.23 | Kevin` | the page explains this |
04:53.42 | lfs | Does /boot/grub need to be on the partition that is being boot from? |
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04:53.56 | Kevin` | if you can't get it to work you can of course use the web interface |
04:54.00 | Kevin` | lfs no |
04:54.13 | Kevin` | it needs to be available where it remembers it is, of course |
04:54.18 | lfs | So how to get grub to find the setup files? |
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04:54.42 | lfs | grub> setup (hd2) |
04:54.42 | lfs | setup (hd2) |
04:54.42 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
04:54.43 | Kevin` | ? |
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04:54.58 | Kevin` | root (hd2,partitionnumber) |
04:55.01 | Kevin` | setup (hd2) |
04:55.23 | lfs | So partitionnumber is where the setup files are? |
04:55.28 | Kevin` | yes |
04:55.36 | lfs | That makes sense, I thought that was where to boot. |
04:57.04 | lfs | Here goes |
04:57.04 | Kevin` | be careful that you device will actually BE hd2 when your using it.. or update the device map to call it something else |
04:57.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, lets pray it is upgrading |
04:57.04 | lfs | I created a directory called makingsure and put a file in it and using find in grub |
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04:57.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I see the open wrt web interface now |
04:57.41 | jetscreamer | grub counts hd's starting at 0 and doesn't skip even if you have a cddrive on hdb or whatever |
04:58.10 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop good.. set a password and login with ssh |
04:58.40 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
04:58.51 | lfs | Should I reboot? Think it will work? |
04:59.07 | Kevin` | if the device is hd2 on boot, yes.. |
04:59.24 | lfs | that maybe a problem |
04:59.30 | Noborusan | How do i know which MPM apache uses ? |
04:59.32 | lfs | Why wouldnt it be? |
04:59.42 | jetscreamer | heh |
04:59.49 | Kevin` | that's what the map file is for. I don't know why it wouldn't be. usually the boot device is the first device though |
04:59.52 | jetscreamer | because you didn't use uuid |
05:00.00 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop http://wiki.openwrt.org/ClientModeHowto |
05:00.13 | jetscreamer | and have >1 ide controller both with drives |
05:00.16 | lfs | (hd0)/dev/sda |
05:00.17 | lfs | (hd1)/dev/sdb |
05:00.21 | jetscreamer | (why) |
05:00.32 | lfs | That is my device.map. So hd2 must be next? |
05:00.51 | versaffer | hey lfs o\your making a diskless linux? |
05:00.58 | jetscreamer | grub counts hd's starting at 0 and doesn't skip even if you have a cddrive on hdb or whatever |
05:01.22 | lfs | I want a bootable USB stick. So I can fix my mbr |
05:01.41 | versaffer | lfs dl the debian live cd |
05:01.44 | Kevin` | lfs the point that you need to understand is that the order of devices can change, and is guessed in linux. if the order will be different from what you have there, you need to update the device map on the target device then run setup |
05:01.44 | jetscreamer | make one |
05:01.52 | lfs | Actually I want to install Vista and I am having a hell of time dual booting. |
05:02.03 | versaffer | lfs why> |
05:02.06 | Kevin` | lfs if your using the grub cli from withing linux there's an option when you start it to use a different map |
05:02.15 | infernal_jesus | lfs: Don't install Vista... It is crap, I've tried it and it's shit |
05:02.26 | jetscreamer | vista beta 'always' overwrote mbr for me |
05:02.28 | lfs | It also wipes out Debian |
05:02.45 | jetscreamer | on every reboot |
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05:02.51 | Nielsen | only place i dare installing vista is in vmware |
05:02.56 | lfs | Really?!?!?! |
05:02.57 | versaffer | lfs: install vista first and then install debian so grub will be installed in the mbr |
05:03.09 | lfs | But I already installed Debian first. |
05:03.15 | lfs | Then INstalled Vista |
05:03.21 | Nielsen | lfs: do you have a floppy drive? |
05:03.22 | lfs | Then got Debian back |
05:03.29 | versaffer | lfs then install a boot loader for windows |
05:03.34 | Kevin` | pfft. |
05:03.38 | Kevin` | just reinstall grub |
05:03.40 | Kevin` | don' |
05:03.43 | Kevin` | t mess with windows crap |
05:03.59 | lfs | After getting Debian back, No more Vista |
05:04.00 | Kevin` | a grub boot cd is actually the easiest thing to make |
05:04.07 | Kevin` | second to a floppy |
05:04.17 | Kevin` | usb is harder, and depends on your hardware whether you can use it |
05:04.24 | versaffer | lfs: then add your hd partition in your grub option |
05:04.29 | lfs | SO I need the Vista CD at this point. |
05:04.46 | Kevin` | why do you need the vista cd? |
05:04.48 | lfs | Cause I cant get Vista to boot. |
05:04.59 | Kevin` | if your getting rid of it, why does that matter? |
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05:05.29 | lfs | I want both |
05:05.29 | Kevin` | ah |
05:05.29 | Kevin` | ok |
05:05.29 | en1gma | can someone tell me the command to enable ics |
05:05.29 | en1gma | forget about firestarter |
05:05.30 | en1gma | what is just the ipmasq or portforwarding command |
05:05.32 | Kevin` | en1gma two commands to technically do this: |
05:05.41 | Kevin` | echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
05:05.46 | en1gma | i cant see the other computer with ifconfig -a |
05:05.56 | Kevin` | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wan_interface_name -j MASQUERADE |
05:06.09 | Kevin` | ifconfig -a doesn't show other computers, why would you think that |
05:06.20 | Xires | is it possible to change priorities of alternatives? |
05:06.20 | jetscreamer | set the vista bootloader up to boot linux |
05:06.32 | Kevin` | jetscreamer why? |
05:06.38 | jetscreamer | why not |
05:06.40 | Kevin` | why not have grub load vista? |
05:06.44 | en1gma | should show my ip on the nic that connects to that computer |
05:06.45 | lfs | That is my last desperate option |
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05:06.48 | Kevin` | because messing with the windows bootloader is a pain. |
05:06.56 | jetscreamer | Xires: yes, but i don't know how it's done exactly. |
05:07.04 | Zap-W | anyone know if nfsroot should also be in /etc/fstab in the diskless image? |
05:07.08 | jetscreamer | so what he's doing is easier eh |
05:07.21 | Kevin` | en1gma yes, it should, why don't you see one? did you set one? :) |
05:07.23 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives |
05:07.24 | lfs | THat is why I want a USB stick to boot Debian |
05:07.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I want routed mode right? |
05:07.36 | Xires | jetscreamer; K, that helps..thanks |
05:07.41 | Kevin` | Zap-W doesn't matter technically. |
05:07.49 | Xires | manpage doesn't seem to mention it |
05:07.50 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop yes |
05:08.00 | en1gma | i dont remember |
05:08.02 | en1gma | i tried a few things |
05:08.15 | Xires | will try googling w/ diff terms. thanks again, jetscreamer |
05:08.16 | en1gma | what would be my wan_interface_name |
05:08.20 | Kevin` | Zap-W if I were you I would put it in though, /dev/root on / type nfs 1 0 |
05:08.51 | Kevin` | there are a few things that the entry is important for |
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05:09.25 | en1gma | i put in ppp0 |
05:09.37 | en1gma | do i need to restart net connection |
05:09.38 | Kevin` | is ppp0 your internet interface? |
05:09.42 | Kevin` | you do not |
05:09.56 | en1gma | im still typing so something must be good ;) |
05:10.11 | en1gma | other computer dont get on net still |
05:10.19 | Kevin` | be aware that those two commands by themselves will not set up a dhcp server |
05:10.19 | en1gma | i think eth1 isnt workting |
05:10.28 | Kevin` | you will either need to install a dhcp server or assign them ips manually |
05:10.36 | en1gma | i installed dhcp and it starts auto i think |
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05:10.48 | Web-Kanotix996 | Hello, apologies about the lame nic, just a quick question. How would I go about resizing my IceWeasel toolbar text? I cannot find any way to change it and it's huge. |
05:10.51 | en1gma | everytime i try to turn off dhcp for that connection it auto starts |
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05:11.42 | Zap-W | Kevin`, /dev/root ?? |
05:11.46 | Kevin` | if you did those two commands properly, and have a dhcp server running, and don't have any other firewall rules in the way, it should work |
05:11.57 | en1gma | is there a command to turn on eth1 ? |
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05:12.05 | Zap-W | Kevin`, you mean /dev/nfs maybe ? |
05:12.07 | Kevin` | turn "on"? ifconfig eth1 up |
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05:12.10 | en1gma | well kde network manager says its up |
05:12.12 | Kevin` | Zap-W I mean /dev/root |
05:12.20 | Kevin` | that's what it's reported to userspace as |
05:12.21 | lfs | That didnt work. |
05:12.22 | Zap-W | Kevin`, what is /dev/root |
05:12.34 | lfs | MY bios didnt see it as bootable disk |
05:12.39 | Kevin` | Zap-W go on any linux computer and cat /proc/mounts |
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05:13.00 | Kevin` | dev/root is what the kernel reports whatever the root device is |
05:13.03 | Zap-W | Kevin`, oh indeed |
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05:13.23 | en1gma | well no matter what i do this other computer will not connect to net |
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05:13.29 | en1gma | i cant believe it is this hard |
05:13.29 | Kevin` | since you won't be unmounting, or mounting it, more specifics like the server name aren't needed. |
05:14.10 | Kevin` | ok, you will have to give more information on your setup at this point, en1 |
05:14.12 | Kevin` | en1gma |
05:14.14 | Xires | Web-Kanotix996; I may be wrong, but I think the text on iceweasel's toolbar is from gtk settings, not just iceweasel |
05:14.15 | lfs | Do you have the ethernet port se up? |
05:14.26 | Zap-W | Kevin`, and also nfs version parameter isnt need? like nfsvers=3 ? |
05:14.29 | lfs | THe kernel needs a driver |
05:14.35 | Web-Kanotix996 | Xires: Really? Where would one find that? |
05:14.41 | en1gma | yea i here |
05:14.45 | Kevin` | Zap-W that's never actually used by debian, is it? :), since it's mounted before init |
05:15.11 | Kevin` | en1gma on the router computer, pastebin the output of ifconfig -a, route -n, and iptables-save |
05:15.34 | en1gma | ok its cable modem to cpu1 (eth2) then cpu1 (eth1) to cpu2 (eth0) |
05:16.10 | en1gma | CPU-1:/# ifconfig -a, route -n, and iptables-save |
05:16.11 | en1gma | ifconfig: option `-a,' not recognised. |
05:16.21 | Kevin` | are you sure your using debian? |
05:16.25 | Web-Kanotix996 | Xires: Preferences > Font doesn't seem to be it. I will keep looking. |
05:16.26 | Kevin` | oh, I see |
05:16.26 | en1gma | of course |
05:16.31 | Kevin` | do those commands one at a time |
05:16.32 | en1gma | :) |
05:16.33 | Kevin` | not all at once.. |
05:16.37 | en1gma | unless im on some acid |
05:16.43 | muhoo | on an intel 945GM/yadda chip, how can i get my internal lcd at 1280x800 but the external monitor vga port at 1440x900 (60 hz)? |
05:17.14 | muhoo | because my external lcd will *only* work at 1440x900 60hz, but the internal lcd on the laptop will *only* work at <= 1280x800 |
05:18.12 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/488788 |
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05:18.51 | Kevin` | you didn't show ifconfig -a |
05:19.02 | jetscreamer | muhoo: if it was an nvidia gpu you would use metamodes directive... some similar intel one i guess |
05:19.02 | en1gma | i put it in the command |
05:19.09 | en1gma | its on pastebin |
05:19.13 | Kevin` | why do you insist on doing them all at once with half-working commands? |
05:19.15 | Kevin` | the output isn't there |
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05:19.16 | jetscreamer | in xorg.conf |
05:19.33 | Kevin` | en1gma you don't have your lan interface configured |
05:19.52 | en1gma | what do i need to do with that or shouldnt firestarter do it |
05:20.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I cant connect to my router :( |
05:20.22 | Kevin` | firestarter likely would do it if you told it to. anyway, here's an example from my computer: |
05:20.33 | Kevin` | auto lan |
05:20.33 | Kevin` | iface lan inet static |
05:20.33 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
05:20.33 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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05:20.40 | jetscreamer | :p |
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05:20.54 | jetscreamer | dont !tell Kevin` -about paste |
05:20.55 | cahoot | muhoo: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_900 |
05:20.59 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/488792 |
05:21.01 | en1gma | there we go |
05:21.29 | Kevin` | ugh |
05:21.33 | Kevin` | stop doing that. |
05:21.41 | en1gma | i put firestarter info ther and no matter what the netwrok connection keeps being reset to DHCP |
05:21.42 | Kevin` | ifconfig -a; route -n; iptables-save |
05:21.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, yo were kicked out |
05:21.51 | Kevin` | I noticed |
05:22.12 | Zap-W | Kevin`, do you know how to make special dirs work with multiplie workstation , like /dev /tmp /var , also there is problem of file locking no? |
05:22.15 | Kevin` | en1gma did you se my four line example of an entry in /etc/network/interfaces? |
05:22.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, can you help me.. I did step 1.2.2 and now I cant ssh my router |
05:22.32 | Kevin` | what's step 1.2.2 |
05:22.48 | Kevin` | ah ok |
05:22.50 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/488793 |
05:23.05 | en1gma | that is what i was going to ask was where to put it |
05:23.08 | en1gma | ok 1 sec |
05:23.18 | Kevin` | en1gma you should have put eth2, not ppp0 |
05:23.27 | Kevin` | also, your lan interface isn't configured |
05:23.35 | en1gma | ohh ill change that too |
05:24.10 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop your trying to connect via ethernet right? |
05:25.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, check the flood channel plz |
05:25.22 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/488795 |
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05:28.30 | en1gma | did it work |
05:29.08 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/488798 |
05:29.21 | en1gma | no internet for cpu2 |
05:30.38 | en1gma | where did everyone go |
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05:32.07 | Steven_M | does anyone here is firestater? |
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05:33.40 | en1gma | im trying to get it to work but it dont |
05:34.18 | Steven_M | en1gma: oh ok |
05:34.52 | en1gma | well it wroks great for 1 cpu |
05:34.59 | en1gma | but if you have to do ics its a pain |
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05:35.49 | fengor | what the hell do you mean en1gma |
05:36.00 | en1gma | i mean i can not get it working |
05:36.12 | en1gma | i have even had help and cant get it working |
05:36.14 | fengor | what do you mean by cpu1 or cpu2 |
05:36.19 | en1gma | box 1 and box 2 |
05:36.28 | fengor | then say that ffs |
05:36.59 | fengor | my guess would be that box2 doesnt have a dhcp server running on its network |
05:37.00 | en1gma | you cant actually be the only one here that thinkgs i would run a lan cable from a processor to another processor can you |
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05:37.09 | fengor | so the cards cannot automagically be configured |
05:37.09 | en1gma | dhcp is running on both |
05:37.33 | en1gma | well the network manager shows dhcp on both |
05:37.37 | fengor | well lets just say regarding yesterday it wouldnt be your dumebst comment |
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05:37.40 | en1gma | and it can not be set to manual |
05:37.58 | en1gma | if you really want to troll please move on to somone else |
05:38.04 | fengor | then open up your favourite editor and edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand |
05:38.19 | en1gma | i have got it opened and pasted on pastebin |
05:38.56 | fengor | yeah i saw it |
05:39.06 | fengor | btw you have a dhcp client installed on box 2 have you? |
05:39.15 | fengor | en1gma: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
05:39.19 | Steven_M | fengor: do you use firestarter? |
05:39.22 | en1gma | both say they have dhcp up and running on both boxes |
05:39.24 | fengor | no Steven_M |
05:39.41 | fengor | what is your ifconfig output en1gma ? |
05:40.29 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
05:41.07 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/488808 |
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05:41.17 | en1gma | btw thnx for being nice and sorry if i was saying something rude |
05:41.18 | Steven_M | fengor: can you recomend a good iptables interface? |
05:41.37 | fengor | i normally use the commandline Steven_M |
05:41.50 | fengor | but i have a rather simple iptables setup |
05:42.03 | en1gma | i think it would have been better |
05:42.11 | en1gma | i think i should uninstall firestarter for now |
05:42.16 | en1gma | it might be messing both boxes up |
05:42.23 | en1gma | box 2 does not have it running |
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05:42.27 | en1gma | but it is installed |
05:42.44 | en1gma | im going to remove it...should i also remove ipmasq |
05:43.00 | Steven_M | fengor: ok thanks |
05:43.36 | Noborusan | so quiet here |
05:43.40 | fengor | en1gma: hold your horses |
05:43.55 | fengor | you have 3 network cards in your boxen? |
05:44.16 | en1gma | well there is an eth0 but that is always picked up but its really firewire i think |
05:44.24 | en1gma | i already uninstalled firestarter |
05:44.30 | en1gma | should i shutdown |
05:44.32 | fengor | sigh |
05:44.35 | fengor | no |
05:44.38 | en1gma | and box 2 uninstalled it too |
05:44.45 | en1gma | i think it was messing it up |
05:44.53 | fengor | so oyu have 2 network cards in the computers? on each? |
05:45.03 | fengor | and what exactly is the setup you want to do? |
05:45.08 | en1gma | 2 on this one (box 1) and 1 in box2 |
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05:45.43 | fengor | ok 1 is for communicating with box 2 i suppose and the other? |
05:45.46 | en1gma | well i have helped a friend get debian going and hes going to take his box home tomorrow so we were both going to play around in our debian boxes tonight |
05:46.00 | en1gma | but it appears like the only way we can both be on is if i boot to windows |
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05:46.30 | fengor | en1gma: how are you going to connect to the net? |
05:46.41 | en1gma | yep it goes like this (cable modem to eth2 (box1), eth1 (box1) to eth0 (box2) |
05:46.52 | en1gma | his box connects through mine |
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05:47.13 | fengor | your box hangs directly on the cable modem? |
05:47.21 | fengor | or are you connected to a router? |
05:47.21 | en1gma | yeo |
05:47.28 | en1gma | straight to modem |
05:47.56 | fengor | ok then here is what you do: open your interfaces file change eth1 to eth0 and eth2 to eth1 |
05:48.03 | fengor | then restart your networking |
05:48.04 | en1gma | dont really care about a firewall for one night (as when he leaves ill just install firestarter) |
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05:49.08 | en1gma | ok 1 sec |
05:49.09 | fengor | and its just a lan for 1 night ? right? |
05:49.20 | en1gma | a lan connected to cable modem |
05:49.22 | en1gma | yep |
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05:49.31 | en1gma | well its not a lan really is it |
05:49.37 | en1gma | its an ics gateway |
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05:49.54 | fengor | good no first check if everythign still works. it should have only changed the numbering of the ethx and dropped eth0 if i'm not mistaken |
05:50.12 | en1gma | k 1 sec still havent edited yet |
05:50.20 | en1gma | does he need to do anything to his box |
05:50.32 | fengor | or wait better elave it as its be when it works on box 1 |
05:50.43 | fengor | its ugly but hell we can change that some other time |
05:50.49 | fengor | yes he needs to do something |
05:50.51 | en1gma | k 1 min |
05:50.56 | fengor | but first we are going to setup box1 |
05:51.45 | en1gma | restarting network home im back soon :) |
05:51.53 | fengor | change the interfaces entry of the network card thats going to communicate with box 2 to a static ip of 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
05:52.03 | fengor | how you do that is in the url i gave you earlier |
05:52.28 | Steven_M | anyone here running shorewall? |
05:52.37 | fengor | then set on box 2 the network card to ip 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
05:53.07 | fengor | the add on box 2 a default gateway to 10.0.0.1 |
05:53.09 | en1gma | fengor looks like im on...if i change his ip to static something is setting it right back to dhcp |
05:53.26 | en1gma | i think it was firestarter (i hope)...its uninstalled now so we will see |
05:54.35 | en1gma | on my network connections it shows eth1 as dhcp and eth2 with an assigned ip address |
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05:54.58 | fengor | does internet work on box 1? |
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05:55.17 | en1gma | yea i on it right now :) |
05:55.27 | fengor | good then go to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
05:55.39 | fengor | and paste the iptables script in a file on your box |
05:55.51 | fengor | then edit it according to your eth numbering |
05:56.22 | fengor | eth0 in the script must be thee ethx you use for the lan and eth1 in the script the ethx you use for inet |
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05:57.09 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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05:57.13 | en1gma | i have it in a txt file |
05:57.16 | fengor | how did you change the ip on box 2? |
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05:57.31 | en1gma | i tried to use network connections |
05:57.49 | marc7 | what's the deal with netbase depending on openbsd-inetd? why do we need the inetd superserver anyway? |
05:58.20 | en1gma | didnt we change the ethxx in the network.conf file |
05:58.20 | fengor | network connections? |
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05:58.55 | en1gma | yes its K-menu>Settings>Internet and network>Network Settings |
05:58.57 | Feto | howdy |
05:59.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, no success :( |
05:59.05 | fengor | just use the commandline |
05:59.10 | Feto | I plugged a USB drive, and now i don't know what device iti s |
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05:59.28 | fengor | just use the damn command line *sigh* |
05:59.44 | fengor | either edit /etc/network/interfaces if it shopuld be a permanente change |
05:59.52 | en1gma | i did that too |
05:59.58 | en1gma | and it changes back to dhcp |
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06:00.03 | fengor | or use ifconfig command if you want it temporarily |
06:00.10 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop well the first command you showed in #openwrt you forgot the s: otherwise, as I said, I don't know how. perhaps you should look on the target router for the actual key? |
06:00.15 | fengor | are you sure he is running debian? |
06:00.19 | Feto | en1gma: is there a rc.conf you can use? :P |
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06:00.54 | en1gma | hang on im still trying to figure out what to change in the txt file |
06:00.55 | Feto | I would really like to know what device is my usb drive |
06:00.55 | en1gma | 1 sec |
06:01.00 | fengor | Feto: rc.conf? we arent in suse here. the settigns he need are in /etc/network/interfaces ;) |
06:01.16 | fengor | probably some sdaX Feto |
06:01.28 | fengor | dunno didnt used usb thumbdrives much so far |
06:01.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I have the key, is: paciFico2wiFi |
06:01.53 | Kevin` | that's not the actual key, it's just an ascii representation of it |
06:01.54 | Feto | fengor: i was thinking more along the lines of bsd =) but that's what i meant, a proper configuration file |
06:01.59 | Kevin` | and obviously it's causing you problems.. |
06:02.24 | en1gma | i think i made all changes in that txt file now what i do with it |
06:02.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, look from windows I am able to connect to it |
06:02.31 | Feto | sda, sdb are my sata disks |
06:02.57 | Feto | however i got an sdd and sdd1 |
06:03.07 | Feto | aparently those are the ones :) |
06:03.11 | en1gma | fengor i made changes in that txt file |
06:03.16 | en1gma | i think it is correct |
06:03.18 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop and from linux your not, and you don't know why? perhaps your not entering the key properly, as I said, I use the actual key directly so I don't know about that |
06:03.32 | rican-linux | hello |
06:03.46 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop so, find someone who does know how it works, find the actual key, or keep reading |
06:04.07 | rican-linux | does anyone here use gnash |
06:04.17 | fengor | en1gma: i have to get some work done but basically you need to do the following: setup ient on box1 (which you did), configure second network card on box1 (which you did too if i understood you correctly), set up network card in box 2 so it can talk to box1 (that is use ping etc to see if it reaches box2, then enabling firewallr ules as in the article i linked you. and voila box2 should be able to reach the internet |
06:04.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, can I capture the "real key" from windows? |
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06:04.59 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/488832 |
06:05.00 | pujiarahman | any body can help |
06:05.09 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop perhaps, ##windows might know. or just look up the algorithm that's used |
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06:05.49 | en1gma | what do i do with that script you told me to dload and edit to eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth2 |
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06:07.09 | en1gma | forget this |
06:07.30 | en1gma | ill just let him connect through windows box |
06:07.39 | en1gma | this should not be this diffucly |
06:07.43 | en1gma | bbiab in windows |
06:07.46 | Kevin` | en1gma I assure you it is quite possible. honestly, understanding of networking would help. |
06:07.50 | Kevin` | =p |
06:08.00 | en1gma | you dont htink i understand |
06:08.06 | Kevin` | no, I don't |
06:08.10 | en1gma | well i rem you trying to help and didnt get it done now did you |
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06:08.20 | en1gma | and also fengor too |
06:08.22 | Kevin` | it works here. |
06:08.29 | en1gma | yea works for me in windows too |
06:08.41 | en1gma | ics and everything isnt that amazing |
06:08.45 | Kevin` | that's because windows hides everything behind a pretty wizard and has no configuration power |
06:08.59 | en1gma | i can do it all manually too |
06:09.05 | en1gma | hook up an xbox also |
06:09.10 | Kevin` | for ics, you actually can't. |
06:09.15 | en1gma | i do it all the time |
06:09.22 | Kevin` | you can only use the default range |
06:09.23 | en1gma | maybe you cant |
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06:09.42 | Kevin` | I don't do it all the time, because linux is a good deal more powerful as networking is concerned |
06:09.43 | en1gma | i set static ips and do the ics my self with no network wizard |
06:09.47 | Kevin` | but no, it doesn't hold your hand |
06:09.55 | en1gma | i do it all the time cuase its easy |
06:09.59 | en1gma | and i format alot |
06:10.01 | Kevin` | if you had static ips working then why were you trying to get dhcp working now? |
06:10.09 | Kevin` | just set it up static.. |
06:10.18 | en1gma | just admit it. you seen my config files and settings and didnt solve it did you |
06:10.31 | Kevin` | I left to help someone else halfway through |
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06:10.43 | en1gma | did you not here me say prob 5x THAT THE DAMN THING SETS DHCP TO ON EVERY BOOT |
06:10.46 | Kevin` | I told you what to do to make it work, but never followed up on it. if you want me to look at it again I will |
06:10.49 | en1gma | no matter what setting i do |
06:10.54 | en1gma | DHCP = ON |
06:11.01 | en1gma | gawd do i have to yell it |
06:11.04 | Kevin` | that is not the default behavior. i'm using debian you know |
06:11.09 | Kevin` | you must have installed something that does that |
06:11.10 | en1gma | same here |
06:11.22 | en1gma | i told you all i think firestarter screws it up |
06:11.27 | en1gma | no one listens |
06:11.33 | Kevin` | and my debian computer is working as a NAT router and is also hosting two vpn links |
06:11.40 | Kevin` | so uninstall firestarter |
06:11.48 | en1gma | and did you install firestarter |
06:11.52 | en1gma | fuck no did you |
06:12.05 | Kevin` | of course I didn't, why would I use firestarter? I know iptables myself :) |
06:12.11 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: can you stop harassing the people who are trying to help you? |
06:12.29 | en1gma | im just going to reboot into windows....people are saying i dont know anything |
06:12.37 | Kevin` | go back to windows if you want, but don't blame the failure of this to work on linux or debian.. |
06:12.39 | en1gma | sorry for any harshness |
06:12.41 | Kevin` | that really gets to me |
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06:12.57 | en1gma | i blame it on damn firestarter i cant believe you dont listen |
06:13.00 | pujiarahman | how i can use loadbalancing and failover |
06:13.01 | en1gma | install it and test it |
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06:13.14 | Kevin` | I don't want to install it, it might mess my system up |
06:13.16 | Kevin` | and then i'd have to fix it |
06:13.35 | Kevin` | and in the meantime I wouldn't have internet service and it might also mess up server processes |
06:13.42 | dondelelcaro | pujiarahman: between what? |
06:13.47 | Kevin` | plus I have my own firewall setup |
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06:13.53 | Kevin` | perhaps there's a firestarter irc channel |
06:13.58 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: he's left |
06:14.03 | Kevin` | anyway i'm going back to watching the x files |
06:14.24 | piztek3 | is ColdFyre here? |
06:14.28 | pujiarahman | dondelelcaro for multihome gateway, i have 2 line |
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06:14.53 | dondelelcaro | pujiarahman: ah, ok. You want to look at the lartc; it has a recipe for load balancing over connections |
06:14.56 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
06:14.56 | dpkg | it has been said that lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
06:16.04 | pujiarahman | dondelelcaro i have read it but no sulution |
06:16.08 | pujiarahman | :d |
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06:17.40 | fengor | ok back, did you solveed it en1gma? |
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06:17.49 | dondelelcaro | pujiarahman: uh... if you have read it, you would have seen chapter 10, which explains it all. |
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06:19.15 | pujiarahman | mybe julian path |
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06:23.01 | marc7 | can someone confirm for me, exim4 is no longer part of the base installation?> |
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06:25.49 | ava_tar | hi, is there any tool to boost/accelerate the apt-get speed? |
06:25.49 | abhishek_ | yes |
06:26.19 | pujiarahman | any body use ebox |
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06:27.30 | sonicGB- | I've just done my first ever install of Debian 4.0-something on an i386 box. netinst went fine. Now I want to install additional packages (sshd, php, apache, ruby, etc, etc). "apt-get install" asks me for CDs that I don't have/want. Is there a way to make the package system just go and fetch what I want from a mirror somewhere? |
06:28.03 | Feto | i can't seem to find a driver :( |
06:28.05 | Feto | oops |
06:28.06 | Feto | hah |
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06:29.13 | ava_tar | yes run "dselect" |
06:29.24 | xarquid | sonicGB-: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file (comment out the lines for the CD) |
06:29.33 | ava_tar | sonicGB-: yes run "dselect" |
06:29.51 | ava_tar | it would add to your sources list a us server |
06:30.04 | sonicGB- | xarquid ava_tar: thanks. will try those now.. |
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06:30.20 | ava_tar | to install ssh i believe that you need to add non-use repositories |
06:30.20 | sonicGB- | ava, I'm in .nsw.au, but I'll figure out a local mirror... |
06:31.01 | ava_tar | what you want testing or stable? |
06:32.59 | sonicGB- | ava_tar: : I ended up with a mirror on the same backbone as me - it kept the one I chose during netinst (.edu.au) |
06:33.24 | sonicGB- | xarquid: : thanks. commenting out cd in sources.list did what I needed. I'm ssh'ed into my box now... thank-you |
06:33.28 | ava_tar | run this ># echo deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
06:33.33 | pujiarahman | how to configure ebox multihome gateway any url can i read |
06:34.02 | sonicGB- | ava_tar: : I'm sorted already, thanks. My sources.list has a good (local ) mirror in it, I'm set. |
06:34.10 | ava_tar | ok |
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06:35.25 | xarquid | sonicGB-: no problemo |
06:35.31 | saint_cypher | I'm trying to add some pcf (bitmap) fonts. I've followed the instructions found in a number of howtos/tutorials, xset q shows the directory in question in the FontPath but, when it comes to an application being able to select a font the fonts in that directory don't show up |
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06:36.27 | sonicGB- | hmmm, BSEG here... 10 minutes after install I've pretty much got the system I need set up and ready to run. I could get used to debian :-) |
06:36.57 | xarquid | I <3 it ;) And I used to think of myself as a distro-hopper. Those days are pretty much over ;) |
06:37.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I think the problem is not the key but the authentication mode, I always have used open mode, now I'm using share mode, I dont know how to specify that in linux |
06:37.30 | xarquid | Now if I could figure out why I lost sound on this laptop ... hmm. My ALSA drivers borked themselves in the head with a trout I think. |
06:37.35 | Noborusan | i need to know where mod_deflate is going in debian etch |
06:37.48 | Noborusan | maybe that is a apache2.2 issue hmm |
06:37.49 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop there's only open and restricted mode.. |
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06:38.07 | PingFloyd | xarquid: did you ever store the settings with alsactl store? |
06:38.07 | sonicGB- | I was a committed FreeBSD user for years and years... until I couldn't take the lack of driver support.... then I switched to gentoo, been using that *everywhere* for a couple-o years.... I think the last twenty minutes has made me a debian convert though :-) |
06:38.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, http://www.pastebin.ca/488799 |
06:38.15 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop the only use of shared in relation to wifi refers to a static key |
06:38.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | whyMode:Master ??? |
06:38.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | whats the meaning of Mode:Master? |
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06:38.47 | Kevin` | that just means it's a normal access point |
06:38.55 | Kevin` | could also be adhoc |
06:38.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, Encryption key:on ? |
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06:39.09 | Kevin` | encryption key:on is pretty obvious, no? |
06:39.40 | Kevin` | hmm wait a minute. |
06:39.52 | Kevin` | are you sure this is a WEP key? "shared" usually refers to wpa-psk |
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06:39.57 | Kevin` | as in pre shared key |
06:40.03 | Kevin` | although it's technically true for wep too |
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06:41.51 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, well not pretty sure... but in Windows I configured like that: Authentication mode: Shared, WEP key |
06:41.59 | Lycus | How would I change the host name of my computer through CLI? |
06:42.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | maybe I can try wit wpa-psk rigth? |
06:42.15 | Noborusan | gees,i found it |
06:42.18 | Noborusan | lmao |
06:42.27 | Noborusan | a2enmod deflate,yeah :D |
06:42.49 | Noborusan | i love debian of its new flavour to store stuff seperately |
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06:43.30 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop a little look at google reveals that shared as actually another name for restricted |
06:43.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | oouch |
06:44.09 | Begasus | is there anybody in here that had succes in setting up Xgl up on Etch? |
06:44.10 | Kevin` | it doesn't say this outright, but a description I found of it matches |
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06:44.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, people in #openwrt doesnt help much :@ |
06:45.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | dont* |
06:45.33 | Kevin` | http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Troubleshooting - also, search for restricted on that page |
06:45.40 | Kevin` | although that relates to madwifi in particular |
06:45.58 | Kevin` | if i'd have made the connection of shared meaning restricted instead of static, I would have found that a good deal sooner :) |
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06:47.30 | Kevin` | oh, and by the way, apparently restricted mode is less secure then open mode |
06:47.42 | liable | who woulda thunk |
06:47.51 | Kevin` | not that anything related to wep is very secure. |
06:48.48 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, how do you configure your router? with iwconfig? or with the nvam sets? |
06:49.01 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop nvram |
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06:49.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | is this part, 1.3 it justg says key in hex mode |
06:49.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | not ascci |
06:49.46 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ascii* |
06:49.51 | Kevin` | that's what I wanted you to ask about in #openwrt ;) |
06:50.10 | Kevin` | if you can't figure it out, just change the script that starts up wifi to use an ascii key :/ |
06:50.48 | Kevin` | however, doing things properly and not messing with the scripts is usually a good idea |
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06:52.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, see point 4.3 there is the answer |
06:52.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Configuration#head-f0ebbaed59da8d1170fa7a7684fde5ad1b9e11eb |
06:54.17 | Sazpaimon | guys: perl -pi -e 's|\/old\/path\/here|\/new\/path\/here|g' *.php |
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06:54.30 | Sazpaimon | will this change my path specified in all my php files? |
06:54.38 | pluesch0r | evening! is there some inclusion-schedule planned for openvz in debian? |
06:54.48 | Sazpaimon | I seriously could never fully understand how perl -pi -e works |
06:55.44 | simonrvn | that's why there's manuals ;) |
06:57.14 | Sazpaimon | that's what i begot from the manuals |
06:57.17 | Sazpaimon | I was just double checking |
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06:58.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, how do I stop the, debug, sending discover... message? |
06:58.54 | simonrvn | try it on one |
06:59.17 | fireba11 | hm .. who can update the mirror list on the debian page whena mirror moved ? :-D |
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06:59.42 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop that's from the dhcp client, trying to connect. you could kill it if it bothers you, but obviously dhcp (client not server) wouldn't work unless you ran it again then |
07:00.21 | Kevin` | since your problems are physical/data link related, no reason not to kill it I suppose for now, as long as you remember |
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07:01.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, how can I solve my problem? |
07:02.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | is there any log in my router? |
07:02.17 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
07:02.25 | Kevin` | what's your current problem. the key or mode? |
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07:03.11 | Kevin` | both seem to be described there, actually.. |
07:03.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, i can connnect to the wifi net |
07:03.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I want to check if I'm doing things well |
07:04.13 | Kevin` | uhuh.. |
07:04.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how can I test if my routed mode is well set up? |
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07:04.44 | Kevin` | pastebin the following: |
07:04.50 | Kevin` | nvram show|sort |
07:04.54 | Kevin` | ifconfig -a |
07:04.55 | Kevin` | route -n |
07:04.59 | Kevin` | brctl show |
07:05.08 | Kevin` | iwconfig |
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07:05.28 | Kevin` | if you want me to look things over :) |
07:05.36 | Kevin` | of course, most of it should be pretty obvious |
07:05.36 | fireba11 | can someone tell me how i can export a self-signed certificate in a format outlook can import to get rid of that anoying warning ? |
07:06.02 | archangelpetro | does anyone here have an issue where xorg slowly takes up more and more memory? |
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07:11.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, http://www.pastebin.ca/488898 |
07:12.48 | Trewas | archangelpetro: I have seen that happen with some older versions of firefox because they never freed server-size pixmaps, xrestop shows if some program is doing that |
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07:13.25 | archangelpetro | ah, ty |
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07:15.16 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop looking |
07:15.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | nice |
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07:16.12 | Kevin` | it doesn't seem to be set up properly |
07:16.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, :o |
07:16.37 | Kevin` | eth1 should not be bridged to anything |
07:17.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I just did 1.2.2 step |
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07:17.55 | Kevin` | well that doesn't match the output in pastebin |
07:18.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I'm pretty confused now then |
07:18.39 | Kevin` | just a suggesstion, you might want to clean that configuration up significantly first before messing with it, by erasing it ans letting the bootloader recreate it |
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07:19.13 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, ok how do I do that? |
07:19.14 | Kevin` | this will reset it to default state (192.168.1.1), but it will remove all of the extra variables there that aren't doing anything and are just confusing you :) |
07:19.55 | Kevin` | you could of course continue and set it up without clearing it (maybe you forgot nvram commit before? you forgot something as the options are unchanged) |
07:20.00 | Kevin` | to reset it, do this: |
07:22.33 | Kevin` | mtd -r erase nvram. the router will reboot and be in default configuration |
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07:22.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, ok lets start from 0 |
07:24.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, can you help me doing that? |
07:24.32 | Kevin` | I suppose |
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07:28.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, ok first step: nvram set wl0_mode=sta |
07:28.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | right? |
07:28.46 | Kevin` | that's what the wiki says.. |
07:28.53 | Lycus | Forgive my confusion and ignorance - but if I want a basic Debian desktop installation, which ISO image do I need? |
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07:29.08 | Lycus | I don't want the net installation. |
07:29.27 | Lycus | I will be installing on multiple systems. |
07:29.31 | Kevin` | the netinstall will give you the same thing as a normal cd, you know that right? |
07:29.38 | Kevin` | k |
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07:29.50 | Kevin` | for a normal desktop install you will probably only need the first cd |
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07:30.13 | Kevin` | the packages are arranged on the cds in order of popularity |
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07:30.41 | NefariousPrior | Is there any way I can "hide" my linux partitions from XP ? |
07:30.47 | Lycus | hmm, no way to know if I need just the first rather than the first two? |
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07:31.11 | Kevin` | you could look at the list of packages on the cds, or just try it once ;) |
07:31.26 | Kevin` | NefariousPrior normally xp will ignore the partition type that linux commonly uses |
07:31.34 | liable | NefariousPrior: xp cant read ext3 without extra packages anyway |
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07:32.07 | Lycus | so debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso is likely all I ned? |
07:32.09 | NefariousPrior | I know this, but I want to install XP on the primary slave, but XP is complaining about the linux partitions. |
07:32.18 | Kevin` | Lycus likely, yes.. |
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07:32.30 | liable | ah, yes windows like to be first on the disk |
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07:32.50 | Kevin` | in my experience, windows doesn't care |
07:33.01 | Kevin` | unless there's another windows readable partition before it |
07:33.09 | NefariousPrior | Likes to be first, but will run on second.... just don't know how to trick it into ignoring the others. |
07:33.47 | NefariousPrior | I know this is only half-way on-topic, but idk what to do. heh |
07:33.54 | Kevin` | NefariousPrior why not install it on a primary partition? you do know you can have more then one yes? |
07:34.03 | thegve | I have just had a little problem with logging in... My root password was in the LDAP database, and not in the shadow file. The LDAP server was having troubles, and I was unable to fix anything, as I couldn't login as the root user, so I had to restart the server using the power button, and now everything is working again. How can I make sure I add a password to the shadow file, instead of the LDAP. Is there a command for this or is this a copy/paste task. |
07:34.48 | NefariousPrior | Kevin`: Is IS on a primary partition. I have linux on /dev/hda and want to install windows on /dev/hdb, but it doesn't like that. |
07:34.49 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I dont have clear step 1.2.2 ... |
07:35.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, i think this is the step where I messed it up before |
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07:38.05 | Zap-W | i am trying to install nfs-common in chroot environment and i get chage : Permission denied |
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07:39.26 | fengor | NefariousPrior: how about pulling the cable of hda, then power up your computer, isntall xp on the remaining disk, power down and reattach the first one? |
07:39.30 | Kevin` | NefariousPrior the problem is probably more that your installing it on the slave, rather then the linux partitions |
07:39.31 | Kevin` | NefariousPrior since windows doesn't know you have a worthwhile bootloader, it will expect you to need a bootable partition on the first disk to put ntldr on |
07:39.34 | flyinflash | 安装nvidia驱动后,提示说nvidia模块找不到/没有加载,这是怎么回事? |
07:39.35 | Kevin` | NefariousPrior you might try removing the drive with linux while you install windows |
07:39.39 | Kevin` | then put it back after, and optionally have grub switch the order before starting windows (numerous examples exist of the latter part) |
07:39.43 | fengor | since you are probably using grub or lilo as boot manager it should work |
07:39.44 | Kevin` | if you were to hide the partitions from windows, I suspect it's most likely response would be to overwrite them |
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07:40.01 | flyinflash | excuse me, someone is CHINESE? |
07:40.03 | flyinflash | excuse me, someone is CHINESE? |
07:40.06 | dondelelcaro | !cn |
07:40.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE 渡详请读 |
07:40.07 | maddash | flyinflash: no. |
07:40.09 | Lycus | Also - is it possible to 'mirror' two systems running Debian, so they'd have the same unames/pws, installed packages, etc? |
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07:40.26 | flyinflash | madclicker, could you speak chinese? |
07:40.39 | dondelelcaro | flyinflash: /join #debian-zh; people there can |
07:41.08 | NefariousPrior | Quick Q. Can grub be set up to boot a cdrom? |
07:41.12 | flyinflash | domthank you |
07:41.32 | flyinflash | dondelelcaro, thank you |
07:41.40 | Kevin` | Lycus sure, using most obvious methods you can think of |
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07:42.08 | Lycus | Kevin`: v_v ; I was thinking of something more automatic :-P |
07:42.12 | Kevin` | Lycus only think to keep in mind is that certain programs generate cryptographic keys which shouldn't be the same. ssh server perhaps |
07:42.27 | Kevin` | Lycus you want to deploy automatically? |
07:42.59 | Kevin` | http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ - take a look at this |
07:43.04 | Kevin` | does it look applicable? |
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07:43.30 | Kevin` | if I were you I would do this using PXE, if your devices support it |
07:43.41 | Kevin` | just turn on the computer, press f12 or whatever, and move onto the next one :) |
07:43.52 | cydork | Lycus: is this for failover? |
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07:45.10 | Lycus | It's for a couple of systems that will be used by extended family members, and I'll probably be maintaining them, so I want to save as much time as possible. =D |
07:45.17 | doudou | Hi, bochs does not work for me, aptitude install bochs, some files are missing in install, or something else? |
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07:45.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, what should I use in step 1.2.2 ? |
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07:46.02 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop use what they have there, it's correct for your device I believe |
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07:46.20 | doudou | there is a system of video transfer between box for family use? |
07:46.50 | Kevin` | I usually use nfs or samba for that (depending on the client) |
07:47.00 | Kevin` | nfs has better preformance for streaming |
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07:48.18 | doudou | is there another than bochs that i can try? |
07:48.36 | flyinflash | dondelelcaro, I installed ubuntu right now,but I couldn't login X after install nviida driver. |
07:48.40 | Noborusan | How can i install apache2.2 in etch by using MPM-work mode ? |
07:48.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, in the another page it says that for wrt54g v1.x and 2.x: Linksys WRT54Gv2.x/v3.x/v4.0LAN=vlan0 WAN=vlan1 WIFI=eth1 |
07:48.46 | Noborusan | via apt-get i mean |
07:48.48 | fengor | flyinflash: this isnt #ubuntu |
07:48.49 | Kevin` | doudou qemu, vmware, xen, etc.. |
07:49.02 | fengor | !based-on debian |
07:49.12 | flyinflash | fengor, yes |
07:49.17 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop and? |
07:49.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, should I use br0 ? |
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07:49.37 | Kevin` | you should use what it has there |
07:49.38 | fengor | !based on debian |
07:49.38 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
07:49.39 | Kevin` | it's correct.. |
07:49.42 | flyinflash | fengor, ubuntu-cn guys don't give their hands for me |
07:49.48 | doudou | Kevin`, with fluxbox and not gnome nor kde? |
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07:50.09 | Kevin` | doudou yes, definitely.. |
07:50.16 | fengor | flyinflash: sorry we cannot help you here either |
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07:51.08 | flyinflash | fengor, WHY?! |
07:51.08 | Kevin` | doudou also virtualbox, although I haven't tried that personally |
07:51.08 | Kevin` | doudou there's tons of options for this sort of thing now |
07:51.08 | flyinflash | fengor, ubuntu base on DEBIAN! |
07:51.08 | fengor | because you are NOT running debian |
07:51.09 | fengor | flyinflash: read what dpkg said |
07:51.47 | Kevin` | flyinflash there's a possibility we could help, but more often then not you quickly run into a difference between debian and ubuntu that UBUNTU people would know about but we won't |
07:51.54 | Lycus | flyinflash: If you tried to use the official Debian repos in Ubunt it would likely break your system, and vice-versa - they are different. |
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07:52.23 | Swat2 | How would i search for any files that contained " <unknown> " ? |
07:52.36 | flyinflash | OK,Ok,I out now. |
07:53.08 | flyinflash | Ask more one question,are you American? |
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07:53.19 | flyinflash | Ask more one question,are you Americian? |
07:53.27 | Kevin` | who? |
07:53.39 | Swat2 | Are you a nob? |
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07:54.08 | flyinflash | Kevin`, |
07:54.11 | sudo_maddash | what's a 'nob'? |
07:54.18 | Kevin` | flyinflash yes, why? |
07:54.42 | Swat2 | sudo_maddash: Males have them, but a nob is a particularly small one. |
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07:54.50 | Lycus | flyinflash: If you can speak and read English, why not try #ubuntu ? |
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07:55.17 | flyinflash | Lycus, I could speak little. |
07:55.40 | liable | flyinflash: what is your native tounge? |
07:55.43 | Lycus | flyinflash: Then why come here? |
07:55.56 | sudo_maddash | liable: chinese. see above. |
07:56.03 | Kevin` | he seems to be able to speak well enough in english to talk here |
07:56.08 | flyinflash | I'm Chinese study. |
07:56.11 | cafuego | ubuintu is based on debian, but not the same as debian. So #debian probably can't help, use #ubuntu. |
07:56.16 | liable | theres no ubuntu-cn? |
07:56.27 | flyinflash | there is ubuntu-cn |
07:56.28 | Lycus | liable: The people in #ubuntu-cn couldn't help him. |
07:56.32 | Lycus | So he came here. |
07:56.37 | flyinflash | but there are so many ** |
07:56.41 | liable | oh, i'll just stfu then |
07:56.45 | Lycus | :-P |
07:56.45 | sudo_maddash | haha, the wonders of ubuntu. |
07:57.16 | cafuego | sudo_maddash: shaddap, i use it. |
07:57.17 | Noborusan | I am meeting a serious problem |
07:57.18 | flyinflash | do you have a job? |
07:57.21 | Lycus | ... |
07:57.40 | flyinflash | Lycus, Ldo you have a job? |
07:57.47 | Noborusan | How can i change mpm-prefork to mpm-worker without having to removing mod-php5 php5-gd and such ? |
07:57.55 | Lycus | I'm a student who is currently unemployed, flyinflash. |
07:58.02 | cafuego | flyinflash: Was that the ubuntu question you had? Whether Lycus has a job? |
07:58.04 | flyinflash | Kevin`, , Ldo you have a job? |
07:58.14 | liable | flyinflash: those sort of questions are generally considered off-topic |
07:58.21 | Kevin` | flyinflash are you offering me one? |
07:58.24 | liable | flyinflash: this isnt a genral chat room |
07:58.27 | cafuego | Noborusan: You can't; mod-php only works with prefork. |
07:58.38 | Lycus | Perhaps he's leading to asking if someone is a technician or something... |
07:58.40 | sudo_maddash | cafuego: :P |
07:58.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, no success |
07:59.05 | Noborusan | cafuego, so i will have to redo the whole thing ? hmm |
07:59.08 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop show the current nvram configuration |
07:59.09 | flyinflash | liable, sorry. |
07:59.54 | cafuego | Noborusan: Just use prefork if you need php. Easy. |
08:00.34 | cafuego | Unless you're serving hundreds/thousands of hits per second; it hardly matters. |
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08:01.03 | Noborusan | hmm |
08:01.19 | sobersabre | I have several OT questions to somebody from Tokio. |
08:01.29 | sobersabre | Is here anybody from Tokio ? |
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08:02.03 | Noborusan | cafuego, strange is,when i was installing them,i didnt meant to install them in module mode |
08:02.54 | marc7 | and if you're serving up that kind of volume... lighttpd! |
08:02.55 | Crypticfortune | Noborusan: as an alternative, you could put all of your php stuff on another server with mpm-prefork, but that could be more work than it's worth =p |
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08:03.04 | Crypticfortune | sobersabre: you mean Tokyo? yes... |
08:03.32 | Noborusan | i have only one server right now |
08:03.38 | cafuego | Noborusan: You wanted the php5 cgi? That *would* work with the threaded apache |
08:03.40 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, http://www.pastebin.ca/488942 |
08:03.47 | cafuego | Noborusan: But being a cgi you'd lose performance. |
08:03.49 | sobersabre | Crypticfortune, yes! will it bug you to speak in query ? (off channel) |
08:03.50 | sobersabre | ? |
08:04.08 | Noborusan | cafuego, my server will not use cgi programs,just php and mysql |
08:04.17 | sobersabre | I mean to chat. /query. |
08:04.27 | cafuego | Noborusan: php can be a cgi handler for .php files. (php5-cgi) |
08:04.36 | Crypticfortune | sobersabre: go ahead |
08:04.38 | Noborusan | but i was checking online says mpm-worker is way better than the troditional prefork mode |
08:04.46 | cafuego | Noborusan: But honestly, prefork with mod_php is *far* less hassle and works just fine. |
08:05.02 | Noborusan | I see. |
08:05.05 | cafuego | Noborusan: It's way better for extremely high volume sites. |
08:05.35 | cafuego | I run a few hundred vhosts on the prefork one without any problems. |
08:05.41 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop ok, that looks appropriate |
08:05.59 | Noborusan | cafuego, so if i go redo the whole thing to just install php not as module of apache, will i lose anything in a performance talking ? |
08:06.07 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop show ifconfig -a, route -n, brctl show, iwconfig |
08:06.40 | Noborusan | cafuego, mine too will be a colocation server,so i do care about the performance |
08:06.50 | cafuego | Noborusan: Nothing noticable |
08:06.57 | marc7 | Noborusan: seriously, i run a good hundred or so websites, some of them fairly high volume on apache with mod_prefork and php dynamically loaded |
08:07.22 | marc7 | you really shouldn't worried about performance until you have upwards of thousands of queries a minute |
08:07.45 | marc7 | lighttpd invoking php through fastcgi is your next upgrade path |
08:07.45 | cafuego | Noborusan: By the time it becomes a problem you'll be able to afford to pay people to sort it out ;-) |
08:08.21 | Noborusan | I see |
08:08.33 | Kevin` | I would be more worried about the preformance of the php code itself |
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08:08.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, there you go... http://www.pastebin.ca/488944 |
08:09.09 | cafuego | Noborusan: Mind you, for hosting you *may* want to run php-cgi suid; which would be fine with mpm-worker, but the loading of the cgi binary would kill your performance dead. |
08:09.36 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop it doesn't seem to have used the wireless settings as entered |
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08:09.55 | marc7 | Noborusan: I agree with kevin. make sure your code's optimized. maybe use something like the Zend Optimizer or any of it's free alternatives... you can also watch how well your apache server is faring under the load using the default "server-status" handler which comes with apache. |
08:09.59 | cafuego | Noborusan: Just set maxrequests to 0 and have enough spares on the prefork server. |
08:10.02 | Kevin` | NOW would be a good time to get [mbm]'s help |
08:10.08 | Zap-W | chage -l foobar , is giving me permission denied! even though i am root |
08:10.19 | Zap-W | chfn same gives same error |
08:10.26 | Zap-W | i am in chroot environment if it matters |
08:10.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, what do you mean? |
08:10.48 | omri | where can I get pre-made configs for mysql & apache servers under heavy load? |
08:10.50 | marc7 | Noborusan: I use the debian apache2 packages and custom-build my php5 installation |
08:10.56 | marc7 | works like a charm, |
08:10.59 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop you did restart the router after applying those settings right? |
08:11.26 | Noborusan | I see |
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08:11.51 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, yep but before I did a nvram commit |
08:12.09 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop ok. well the problem I see is that the wireless interface is still in master mode |
08:12.20 | Kevin` | it should be in managed mode, of course, to connect to another ap as a client |
08:12.39 | Zap-W | ?? |
08:12.42 | Zap-W | i cant do shit |
08:12.43 | Zap-W | help |
08:12.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, where do you see that? |
08:13.00 | Kevin` | # |
08:13.00 | Kevin` | th1 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"OpenWrt" |
08:13.00 | Kevin` | # |
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08:13.01 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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08:13.09 | Kevin` | stupid bot |
08:13.12 | marc7 | ooo, faux-pas. |
08:13.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, so the question is why it isnt in managed mode? |
08:14.05 | gonzaloaf_laptop | lets ask in #openwrt |
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08:14.15 | Kevin` | essentially yes |
08:14.35 | Noborusan | Many thanks to all that were helping me :D |
08:15.10 | marc7 | anytime, good luck. |
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08:16.19 | Noborusan | cafuego, by the way,i think by using mod-fcgid for php will enhance security but lose performance at the same time ? |
08:17.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, what if we try with another firmware? |
08:18.02 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop in my opinion openwrt is by far the cleanest and best built. others do have easier configuration though |
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08:18.38 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop you could try dd-wrt, in which case I think the option you want is available in a web interface, but I can't help you with it then since I don't use it |
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08:19.25 | Kevin` | oooh |
08:19.31 | Kevin` | I see the problem actually |
08:19.55 | Kevin` | http://www.pastebin.ca/488942 |
08:19.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, what it is? |
08:19.55 | Kevin` | look near the bottom |
08:19.55 | _Rubyxx | I am trying to setup a home network on 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 and share an internet connection but my x.x.0.2 PC always connects to 169.254.x.x. Does anyone know why that is? |
08:19.58 | Kevin` | notice that you uses "w10" instead of "wl0" |
08:20.27 | Kevin` | and there are two sets of information :) |
08:20.31 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I always used w10 isnt it w10? |
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08:20.43 | Kevin` | double-u, ell, 0 |
08:20.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | :o |
08:20.56 | Kevin` | not w ten |
08:21.05 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wl0 != w10 |
08:21.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what a mistake! |
08:21.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ok now to correct that.... so I have to erase everything? |
08:22.01 | Kevin` | no |
08:22.06 | Kevin` | you can just overwrite the values |
08:22.09 | Kevin` | and you can do: |
08:22.20 | Kevin` | nvram unset w10_auth |
08:22.20 | Kevin` | etf |
08:22.22 | Kevin` | etc* |
08:22.24 | Kevin` | if you want |
08:22.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ok |
08:22.41 | Kevin` | but the extra values won't hurt anything except confusing you in the future |
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08:23.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | lets pray |
08:23.10 | Zap-W | how to force removal of packages that are giving configure errors |
08:23.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | apt-get remove --force <pkg> ? |
08:23.49 | fengor | _Rubyxx: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces of x.x.0.2? |
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08:25.27 | liable | Zap-W: you'll prolly find it impossible to remove if it isnt istalled properly without editing the install scripts |
08:25.56 | Zap-W | so my system is broken |
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08:26.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, its w l zero right? |
08:26.10 | _Rubyxx | fengor: I have no internet connection on x.x.02. I'll have to try and do this manually |
08:26.20 | liable | usually the first line of attack is to remove the set -e |
08:26.23 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop right.. |
08:26.59 | Zap-W | i know whats the problem it's breaking at chage command |
08:27.11 | Zap-W | chage is giving me permission denied when it should |
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08:27.22 | liable | Zap-W: edit the script then to fix it |
08:27.35 | liable | Zap-W: and file a bug with a patch |
08:28.10 | Zap-W | it's a chroot installation |
08:28.14 | Zap-W | er |
08:28.16 | fengor | _Rubyxx: i need the configuraiton of your networkcard on the second pc and the output of /sbin/route -n to see where your problem is |
08:28.17 | Zap-W | deboostrap |
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08:29.39 | fengor | _Rubyxx: you might want to read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 to get your setup running |
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08:30.11 | Zap-W | what could cause chage to give permission denied |
08:30.13 | Zap-W | or chfn |
08:30.17 | AcidEyE | what these 21 cds for? in debian 4 r0 |
08:30.40 | fengor | they contain the available packages for debian AcidEyE |
08:30.48 | _Rubyxx | ok |
08:31.09 | AcidEyE | fengor how many disks i need to working x windows kde or gnome? |
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08:31.48 | possie | anyong know the syntax of /etc/fstab.order ? |
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08:31.54 | fengor | depends i usually just get the netinst image and fetch the packages over the net |
08:31.58 | fengor | so i need only 1 cd |
08:32.15 | fengor | which and how many cds you need if you use the instlal cds i cant tell you im afraid |
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08:32.28 | AcidEyE | but i am not on high speed connection, i will download only needed ones to make my x working |
08:32.40 | _Rubyxx | fengor: last 3 lines coming up, hope I don't get booted........allow-hotplug eth0 |
08:32.53 | AcidEyE | i can't pasue while installing from netinst |
08:32.54 | _Rubyxx | iface eth1 |
08:33.03 | fengor | _Rubyxx: if in doubt just use one of the pasebin servers like pastebin.ca |
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08:33.23 | fengor | then get the first 3 cds or so AcidEyE |
08:33.25 | _Rubyxx | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
08:33.30 | fengor | you should be pretty safe with that |
08:33.34 | fengor | if in doubt get all of them |
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08:33.51 | fengor | do you have a dhcp server running on your network _Rubyxx ? |
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08:34.28 | AcidEyE | fengor ok i wanted to download most stable release kindly help me which one to download |
08:34.32 | hark | AcidEyE: cd1 should do for a basic Gnome setup |
08:34.47 | hark | or if you prefer there are versions for XFCE and KDE too |
08:34.50 | Freebird | you guys, I need help please, |
08:35.02 | hark | !tell Freebird -about ask |
08:35.06 | Freebird | machine one has all working, cups.conf and printcap configured, what do to in my second machine to print through machine one ? |
08:35.17 | AcidEyE | hark then totaly i need first 3 cds or 4? |
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08:35.56 | Freebird | in machine one it's printing fine, how to print from my second machine, I've configured in machine one, but not sure if there's something to change in machine 2 |
08:35.59 | hark | AcidEyE: depends on your need |
08:36.06 | hark | !d-i |
08:36.06 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
08:37.11 | _Rubyxx | fengor: here is my pastebin url:- http://pastebin.ca/488963....I'd never used pastebin b4 |
08:37.22 | ava_tar | hi is there any way to boost apt-get ? |
08:37.30 | Freebird | hark: have you ever done that ? |
08:37.36 | Zap-W | fuck me |
08:38.06 | liable | Freebird: http://pastebin.ca/488964 add that to your cuspd.conf on the server, it should then announce itself over the network via ipp (change network addresses of course) |
08:38.15 | fengor | _Rubyxx: are you running a dhcp server in your network? |
08:38.25 | liable | Freebird: then machine 2 should be able to use it |
08:38.46 | fengor | and please read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 to learn how to configure ips manual if you dont run a dhcp server |
08:38.48 | _Rubyxx | No I do not have a dhcp server running.....Is it necessary in Linux?...I was advised to avoid servers because I have to keep logged out of them |
08:38.57 | _Rubyxx | ok |
08:39.02 | Freebird | tks, I'll test it, how do I send those red messages to someone ?? |
08:39.03 | liable | Freebird: dont forget to restart cupsd on box 1 |
08:39.09 | Freebird | ok |
08:39.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, Yeah!!!! |
08:39.21 | fengor | _Rubyxx: if you dont runa dhcsp server you cant use dhcp to configure your network |
08:39.27 | liable | Freebird: when you address someone with there nick |
08:39.31 | fengor | s/dhcsp/dhcp/ |
08:39.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! |
08:39.54 | Freebird | should I erase the entire file and have only that on it ? or just add that will do it ? |
08:39.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, Let's Rockkkkkkkk |
08:39.59 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop I assume from that that it's working? :) |
08:40.16 | liable | Freebird: just add it to the end, comment other stuff you have added |
08:40.18 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, Viva FOSS! |
08:40.43 | _Rubyxx | But it did not make any difference when I put in 192.168.0.2 it simply disconnected the network, at least with DHCP it connects ....but I do not know what to |
08:40.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, of course buddy.... thank you... I was about of giving up |
08:41.18 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop great, i'm glad something is working like it's supposed to today :) |
08:41.29 | fireba11 | how long will there be security updates for sarge ? |
08:42.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, now you can go to sleep with a big smile in your mouth |
08:42.40 | Kevin` | nah i'm watching the x files :) |
08:42.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, how can I check the strengh of the signal? |
08:42.57 | Kevin` | iwconfig |
08:43.31 | Kevin` | there's two negative numbers, signal and noise |
08:43.50 | Kevin` | ideally you want -256 noise, 0 signal |
08:44.06 | Kevin` | most devices will work with a difference between the two of around 10 or so |
08:44.10 | ava_tar | !dpkg why aptitude |
08:44.12 | Kevin` | some more some less |
08:44.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | kekimmo, the less noise and the more closer to 0 signal? |
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08:44.43 | Kevin` | yes |
08:44.51 | Kevin` | the importance is the difference between them though |
08:45.07 | Noborusan | To avoid installing php5 as a module of apache cuz which could remove MPM-worker to use mpm-prfork instead,i should do apt-get install php5 right ? |
08:46.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, well I have -86 signal , -94 noise |
08:46.11 | Kevin` | which is given a three letter acronym (like everything else..) of SNR, signal noise ratio |
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08:46.21 | Kevin` | and how's the link performance? |
08:46.24 | fengor | _Rubyxx: please be mor specific in your error detailing |
08:46.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, I want a human value :p something like Excellent.... low.... very low |
08:46.34 | fengor | what do you mean by simply disconnecting the network |
08:46.36 | Kevin` | lol |
08:46.42 | fengor | and where and how did you put the 192.168.0.2 |
08:46.46 | gonzaloaf_laptop | :D |
08:47.22 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf_laptop that's a "could be better" in human terms |
08:47.28 | Freebird | liable: didn't work, but it was different this time, I've commented the allow line inside cups.conf and left the original printcap |
08:47.31 | Kevin` | however, if it works, I wouldn't bother with it. |
08:47.37 | Freebird | liable: what do you think ? |
08:47.56 | Kevin` | the access point has a more powerful radio and better antennas then most any normal client |
08:48.05 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, are there some graphical apps or frontends to monitor my router in my pc? |
08:48.25 | Kevin` | i've never bothered with things like that honestly |
08:48.27 | Freebird | it looks like it's going to work, but it doesn't, and it doesn't show the job iside cups browser front end |
08:48.31 | Kevin` | there might be an snmp package |
08:48.37 | Kevin` | if that's the kind of thing you mean |
08:49.02 | Kevin` | if something is wrong I log into the router and look at it. if nothing is wrong I ignore the router |
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08:49.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, snmp pkg? |
08:49.24 | Kevin` | and, of course, things rarely go wrong, since it's only an access point |
08:49.46 | Kevin` | there might be a package to snmp-enable openwrt, I mean |
08:49.59 | Kevin` | so you could manage it with normal network management stuff |
08:50.02 | _Rubyxx | I put it in my network admin screen, but every time I try to change the hostname...it doesn't come up any more so I can't even raise it now |
08:50.17 | Kevin` | i've never bothered with that level of monitoring for a home ap though |
08:50.24 | Kevin` | it's more trouble to set up then it's worth |
08:50.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, yep the importance is that it is really Rocking!!!1 |
08:50.55 | Kevin` | if you mean something completely different then what i'm talking about, do say so :) |
08:50.55 | fengor | _Rubyxx: our network admin screen? why does everybody and their bloody dog try to use those blasted gui apps instead of editing one simple file? |
08:51.20 | _Rubyxx | It seems easier |
08:51.31 | fengor | _Rubyxx: read the url i gave you and edit the file directly. its less trouble and safes time |
08:51.34 | AnyFile | After updating from sarge to edge I am no more able to print. CUPS tell me "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...". I have notice that files in /var/spool/cups/ and /var/log/cups are not more owned by root:lpadmin but from root:lp (what has changed is the group). I do not know where else to look (too complex this printing system) |
08:51.38 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Kevin`, thanks buffy I gotta go to sleep now |
08:51.41 | _Rubyxx | I'm new here from Windows |
08:51.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | buddy* |
08:51.43 | Kevin` | night |
08:51.45 | _Rubyxx | ok |
08:51.53 | fengor | _Rubyxx: important word in your sentence is: SEEMS |
08:52.08 | _Rubyxx | lol |
08:52.15 | _Rubyxx | I know now |
08:52.56 | fengor | _Rubyxx: jsut take the example from the url for setting up a manual ip and isnert your values where appropriate: most notable 192.168.0.2 as the ip and 192.168.0.1 as teh gateway |
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08:53.15 | fengor | and then do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
08:53.26 | _Rubyxx | ok.....it'll keep me busy for about 30mins |
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08:53.43 | N3m3SYS | hi there, I have a littleproblem :/ |
08:53.49 | fengor | /sbin/ifconfig should then tell you if it suceeded |
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08:54.29 | N3m3SYS | I have configured my desktop to use Beryl (debian testing), with nVidia GeForce FX 5200 card, works pretty well, I used driver 9755 and it was fine. So I switch off my computer and go to bed, when I started comp again, x starts me into black screen, it helps only removing glx module from Modules section in my xorg.conf or reinstalling nvidia driver. I cannot handle this situation:/ everytime i reboot it is all bad .... please, dont you have a solutio |
08:54.29 | N3m3SYS | n? |
08:54.31 | _Rubyxx | ok |
08:54.37 | Freebird | liable: it looks to me that it's not even getting to my first machine, because no jobs are listed in the server, I'm using a router, does that have anything to do ? |
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08:56.00 | Kevin` | a NAT router, without any special configuration, acts as an SPI firewall against all incoming traffic, by it's nature |
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08:56.39 | fengor | N3m3SYS: You have searched for packages that names contain beryl in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. |
08:56.42 | fengor | Can't find that package. |
08:56.51 | fengor | i cant find such a package in the debian repositories |
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08:57.46 | N3m3SYS | fengor: yes, but i dont think it is beryl problem, cuz the x crashes before beryl is used |
08:58.17 | N3m3SYS | fengor: it is with x starting, it blanks to black, before login and no splash screen of nvidia goes |
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08:58.44 | AnyFile | In /var/log/cups/error_log I get message that the command is Unauthorized (resume or pause) but in the web interface I can seen the command has been performed |
08:59.02 | possie | anyone know which version of mount honors fstab.order ? |
08:59.25 | [kray] | hey, i have this machine that keeps going offline after a certain amount of time. i tried noapm on the menu.lst kernel line and apm=off on the line thereafter and the nic still goes off if not the whole machine into suspension |
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09:00.14 | AnyFile | [kray], what do you mean with "go offline" does it turn off? |
09:00.29 | [kray] | i cant reach it on the network |
09:00.29 | fengor | N3m3SYS: i assuem you know about http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
09:01.04 | AnyFile | can you access it locally? Maybe you need to see if there are some BIOS setting |
09:01.18 | AnyFile | about that |
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09:01.43 | [kray] | thought i had went through and took care of that, guess ill plug in again |
09:02.25 | [kray] | i need to hurry with this.. the dc is so cold |
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09:03.10 | N3m3SYS | fengor: yes, it works me for a long time, but i install em properly, when I reboot, the nvidia module is present but x crasehs down and dont works |
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09:03.24 | AnyFile | Can anyone help me with cups and printing? |
09:03.30 | Vasistha | !anyone |
09:03.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
09:03.42 | N3m3SYS | fengor: only if I reinstall drivers or remove glx support from xorg.conf |
09:03.49 | fengor | N3m3SYS: did you check your error logs? |
09:04.16 | AnyFile | After updating from sarge to edge I am no more able to print. CUPS tell me "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...". I have notice that files in /var/spool/cups/ and /var/log/cups are not more owned by root:lpadmin but from root:lp (what has changed is the group). I do not know where else to look (too complex this printing system) |
09:05.03 | fengor | N3m3SYS:and did you try using alternative drivers or alternative window managers to narrow the problem down? |
09:05.08 | Noborusan | hmm |
09:05.15 | Noborusan | im not sure which php.ini to edit |
09:05.53 | omri | Noborusan, the one that's being said is read on phpinfo(); |
09:05.55 | Noborusan | i now have 2 of them,one is in /etc/php5/apache2 |
09:06.05 | Noborusan | another is in /etc/php5/fcgi |
09:06.18 | omri | Noborusan, probably the first one, but make sure |
09:06.21 | Vasistha | Noborusan: you probably want the apache2 one |
09:06.24 | omri | put a phpinfo.php file on your server |
09:06.31 | omri | it should contain <? phpinfo(); ?> |
09:06.41 | omri | the navigate to it, see what does it say about php.ini |
09:06.50 | Noborusan | ok |
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09:07.10 | N3m3SYS | fengor: i tried many driver versions, window manager i cannot use, because gdm or kdm does not start |
09:07.23 | N3m3SYS | fengor: i have checked, there is nothing |
09:08.15 | Noborusan | you both are wrong :D |
09:08.28 | Noborusan | but i found it ,says the path is /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini ,Thanks :) |
09:09.03 | N3m3SYS | fengor: only one error is GLX is not supported with the Composite extension |
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09:09.29 | N3m3SYS | fengor: so I putted out glx and it works, but without glx, or I reinstall |
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09:09.54 | omri | Noborusan, how am I being wrong? :P |
09:09.59 | Noborusan | :D |
09:10.01 | omri | wasn't the phpinfo(); solution helpful? |
09:10.11 | Noborusan | strange it has another php.ini which is idle |
09:10.36 | Noborusan | i didnt have that one untill the forum installer asked me that it needs php support for mysql then i did install php5-mysql |
09:11.16 | Noborusan | omri, hi, on that phpinfo page,there is a line Server API CGI/FastCGI |
09:11.38 | Noborusan | does that mean this time the php is handled by cgi but not as a module of apache ? |
09:11.45 | omri | Noborusan, and? look for php.ini there |
09:11.53 | omri | and yes. that's what it means. |
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09:12.06 | Noborusan | cool,that is what i want it to be :) |
09:12.27 | Noborusan | fixed mpm-worker issue :) thanks again |
09:12.52 | omri | no problem |
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09:13.51 | _Rubyxx | fengor: I have detected that one of the PCs is running ssh while the other is not...How do I fix this? |
09:14.26 | omri | ... install ssh ? |
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09:14.29 | fengor | _Rubyxx: would first get your network set up properly and then worry about ssh |
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09:16.08 | fengor | but you can get it by doing aptitude install ssh |
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09:16.51 | justin007 | I used a debian program to print number's in Hex Oct binary etc. don't remember the name now. any ideas of the program name. |
09:16.53 | _Rubyxx | fengor: I have setup the network, according to the instructions, but it seems ssh is directing my second PC to another ip address, so I think I either have to shut down ssh on both or start it on both |
09:17.29 | fengor | _Rubyxx: what is the output of /sbin/ifconfig |
09:17.30 | fengor | ? |
09:17.45 | _Rubyxx | hold on |
09:18.20 | Vasistha | justin007: I use od -An -tx1 |
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09:19.16 | Vasistha | justin007: there's also things like hexdump, hexedit, etc. and probably a number of others. |
09:19.19 | mynullvoid | besides than alien, I know that there is another better tool to convert .tar.gz to deb |
09:19.24 | mynullvoid | anyone want to share |
09:19.33 | Vasistha | !dpkg-buildpackage |
09:19.33 | dpkg | methinks dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
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09:20.17 | justin007 | Vasistha: but the one i used was possibly the smallest debian program. just wanted to know the name of it. |
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09:21.00 | Vasistha | justin007: 'od' is pretty small. I've told you what I know, and it ought to work |
09:21.16 | _Rubyxx | fengor for my 1st PC it is at http://pastebin.ca/489009....it will be difficult to get this data for the first as it is not connected |
09:21.44 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: ...the other "first"? :D |
09:21.44 | _Rubyxx | the 2nd is not connected |
09:21.44 | Vasistha | hehe |
09:21.46 | _Rubyxx | sorry |
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09:22.22 | AnyFile | I have some problem with cups, I even get an Unauthorized error in cups/error_log if I have send a command as root?!?!? |
09:22.38 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: fyi, it looks like it's accepting ssh connections |
09:23.21 | _Rubyxx | But the 2nd PC might not be able to make a ssh connection |
09:23.32 | _Rubyxx | yet |
09:23.35 | Vasistha | AnyFile: you might try ##cups if noone answers in here :P |
09:23.57 | AnyFile | thank Vasistha |
09:24.27 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: well, it looks like the first machine's okay. What inet addr is assigned to the 2nd machine? |
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09:24.50 | _Rubyxx | 198.168.0.2 |
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09:25.30 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: can you ping? |
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09:26.23 | _Rubyxx | yes |
09:26.33 | _Rubyxx | 0.202 secs |
09:26.41 | q1w2e3r4 | someone with some skills in perl got time? |
09:26.44 | gromgull | Can anyone using gnome, who has gnome-art and kde check if SVG icon themes show up in the "icons" panel of kcontrol ? |
09:27.57 | q1w2e3r4 | i wanna do a post with lwp using a login for basic http-authentification: http://user:pass@site.com. The problem is, perl regognizes "user" as the host an puts down with error500 |
09:28.00 | Vasistha | q1w2e3r4: #perl |
09:28.05 | q1w2e3r4 | oh, thanks |
09:28.14 | fengor | good and can you ping 192.168.0.1 from the second one? |
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09:28.47 | Vasistha | gromgull: I don't know anything about gnome, but kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Icons shows SVG icon themes |
09:28.59 | pluesch0r | evening! what's the best (read: debian) way to create an encrypted filesystem on a server? |
09:29.07 | gromgull | ok, but does selecting them update the preview? here applying them will make all icons in KDE apps disappear... |
09:29.11 | gromgull | vasistha |
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09:29.53 | Vasistha | gromgull: hum. I only have one. :P |
09:30.06 | gromgull | right.. the kdeartwork package will give you more I think... |
09:30.46 | gromgull | hang on |
09:30.47 | gromgull | that's no good |
09:30.52 | gromgull | it only contains PNG icon themes |
09:31.18 | tenzind | hi .. is there ggv package in etch? |
09:31.38 | omri | RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize |
09:31.53 | omri | does it mean that these disks use ram even when I don't use them? |
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09:32.10 | gromgull | hmm... the themes that dont work seem to come from gnome-themes-extras... maybe there is an issue between gnome/kde thmes |
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09:32.41 | Vasistha | gromgull: it could be that there's an incompatibility in the naming of the icons or some such |
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09:33.21 | Vasistha | !tell tenzind -about pdo |
09:33.42 | _Rubyxx | fengor: yes I can ping no 1 from no2 as well |
09:33.53 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v installed totem and gnome-screensaver, so is there any reason for totem to not block the screensaver ? |
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09:34.07 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: hmm, so what about ssh from #2 to #1 ? |
09:34.38 | liable | henry_nicolas: hrm, i had the same problem with mplayer a long time ago, it was a setting in the player somewhere |
09:35.08 | tenzind | Vasistha: what does old stable mean ?? gnome-gv is there in old stable |
09:35.20 | henry_nicolas | liable : the problem is that they are so much settings in totem, I didn't see anything in this way |
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09:35.42 | liable | henry_nicolas: i cant help any further, is there a #totem channel? |
09:35.52 | henry_nicolas | I will see |
09:36.06 | _Rubyxx | I installed ssh-server on no1 and ssh client on no2.....one of them is down...i don't know which....but when I look at the network from no2 it has a ssh icon on the internet link of no1 |
09:36.26 | henry_nicolas | liable : no there isn't |
09:36.35 | liable | henry_nicolas: bugger |
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09:36.56 | Vasistha | tenzind: oldstable is the previous version of debian, currently 3.1, sarge. If it's no longer available in the current release, then it was probably dropped for a good reason, or possibly because the maintainer quit |
09:37.02 | henry_nicolas | liable : maybe on #gnome |
09:37.15 | _Rubyxx | when i look from no1 at no2 there is no ssh icon |
09:37.20 | liable | henry_nicolas: yeah, thats prolly the next best place to ask |
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09:37.36 | henry_nicolas | liable : ok thank you |
09:37.37 | tenzind | Vasistha: ok ... thanks |
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09:38.04 | Mind | Free calls --> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ |
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09:38.07 | Sakunix | Any know whether Debian works well on a MacBook? |
09:38.21 | liable | drive by spam rocks.. |
09:38.26 | azeem | Sakunix: it doesn't, I think |
09:38.44 | tarzeau | Sakunix: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
09:38.57 | Sakunix | azeem: :( I tried Ubuntu and couldn't get the wireless card to function correctly hoping debian has it sorted |
09:39.12 | kubrick | security.debian.org is down |
09:39.22 | tarzeau | kubrick: works, here |
09:39.28 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: so, #2 is at 192.168.0.2, correct? What happens if you 'ssh 192.168.0.1' from #2 ? |
09:39.28 | kubrick | mmm |
09:39.36 | tarzeau | kubrick: what does it resolve to? |
09:39.39 | tarzeau | kubrick: i think it's 3 machines |
09:39.46 | kubrick | 212.211.132.250 |
09:39.50 | Sakunix | thanks tarzeau |
09:39.56 | liable | Sakunix: i would bet you have an atheros card and theres a few problems with them depending on the chip. see madwifi.org |
09:40.19 | Sakunix | liable: You are right thats what I got |
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09:40.48 | _Rubyxx | I should type ssh 192.168.01 from the terminal? |
09:40.50 | liable | Sakunix: see the compatability page at madwifi.org |
09:40.59 | tarzeau | _Rubyxx: don't forget the . between 01 |
09:41.07 | Sakunix | liable: Will do |
09:41.13 | kubrick | tarzeau: what does it resolve to you? |
09:41.18 | _Rubyxx | ok |
09:41.35 | liable | Sakunix: it may work with the newest hal branch |
09:41.37 | tarzeau | kubrick: host security.debian.org gives me 3 ip addresses |
09:41.46 | tarzeau | kubrick: i don't know which one is picked by the browser i tried with |
09:42.31 | kubrick | I cant get any |
09:42.45 | Sakunix | liable: hal? |
09:43.03 | Sakunix | hal? |
09:43.34 | Vasistha | security.debian.org isn't resolving for me, either ... interesting |
09:43.38 | kubrick | tarzeau: lol, the fucking rj45 wasnt properly hooked up |
09:43.57 | tarzeau | kubrick: nice |
09:44.12 | Vasistha | erg, oops |
09:44.23 | Vasistha | typo'd org as com |
09:44.33 | Sakunix | ic, liable, madwifi.org doesn't have the chipset there that I am using? Could I use the driver for one of the others in the same family you think? |
09:45.02 | Noborusan | i want to install sendmail but why it will install rmail ? |
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09:45.50 | liable | Sakunix: hal is the binary blob that interfaces between the hardware and the driver code |
09:46.53 | Sakunix | <PROTECTED> |
09:47.02 | Vasistha | Noborusan: because it's a dependency. rmail provides some functionality that sendmail uses (and requires, in order to work) ... just install it, and be happy that debian takes such good care of your computer ;) |
09:47.14 | liable | Sakunix: ask in #madwifi I dont know exactly which chips it supports atm. be patient when you ask there, its sometimes a slow channel |
09:47.18 | justin007 | Vasistha: thanks for the motivation, the program was "i" |
09:49.02 | Noborusan | Vasistha, I see.Thanks. |
09:49.02 | Sakunix | liable: I am completely understanding, just annoying my windows and mac boots on this machine have wiki but my linux doesnt >< |
09:49.03 | Vasistha | justin007: huh, I have no such program. enjoy! |
09:49.03 | Sakunix | wifi* |
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09:52.40 | _Rubyxx | Vasistha: it connected....but the networkwent down....whih was strange because it was still able to ping no1 even with the network down |
09:52.44 | justin007 | Vasistha: sorry my mistakes, it is "iprint" |
09:52.49 | _Rubyxx | which |
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09:53.31 | miguelanxo | Hi there |
09:53.36 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: how are you determining that "the network went down"? |
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09:54.40 | _Rubyxx | there is an icon near the clock....which shows the network connection....it had a red line across it |
09:54.56 | _Rubyxx | even rebooting did not restart it |
09:55.10 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: sounds like NetworkManager |
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09:55.44 | liable | hrm, all of a sudden i have a volume window thing when i change my volume. |
09:55.46 | miguelanxo | I've just recompiled my kernel with support for SMP, and my gigabit ethernet (tg3 driver) stopped working. I suppose there's a setting somewhere that gets (de)/selected for SMP and breaks the driver, even when the driver is known to work in SMP-enabled kernels (I've got an SMP-enabled kernel working in this machine, but's not tailored) |
09:55.50 | miguelanxo | what can I do? |
09:56.07 | _Rubyxx | Vasitha: another thing is that I seem to have an SFTP file transfer going on ...is this right? |
09:56.18 | Vasistha | miguelanxo: why would you do that, when the debian stock kernels already include support for smp? |
09:56.57 | miguelanxo | well, It's just a tradition I suppose. I try to recompile the kernel just with the minimum setting I need |
09:57.16 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: well, I don't know what your little networkmanager icon is doing, but it sounds like it is not accurately reflecting the actual connection status of the machine |
09:58.09 | _Rubyxx | when i ssh 192.168.0.2 from no 1 the connection is refused |
09:58.29 | liable | !connection refused |
09:58.30 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
09:58.31 | Vasistha | miguelanxo: there was a time when that was a good idea, but that time is past. Modern kernels are well-modularized to the point that they go just as fast, and have just as small a memory footprint, no matter how many modules are available. You probably won't actually see any performance improvement compiling your own, and as we see, you *are* having problems |
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09:59.01 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: that's because #2 is not running an ssh server. |
09:59.11 | miguelanxo | well, you may be correct sir :) |
09:59.44 | Noborusan | anyone has used ntpdate ? |
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09:59.54 | _Rubyxx | but the ping times are very low now 0.05 secs, down from 0.202secs |
09:59.59 | Vasistha | miguelanxo: I was compiling my own until just recently, due to some buggy firmware on my old lappy, but etch's stock 2.6.18 is just .. better. It just works for me, amazingly |
10:00.04 | Noborusan | it works greatly,but i would like to know,do i have to run it after a reboot ? |
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10:01.51 | miguelanxo | Noborusan: yeah |
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10:02.15 | Noborusan | i would like it to run automatically and using my specified ntpserver |
10:02.38 | _Rubyxx | Maybe I should find a way to configure the firewalls? |
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10:04.02 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: I kind of doubt that's your problem, although that's not a bad idea. |
10:04.27 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: but I still wonder, what happened when you did 'ssh 192.168.0.1' from machine #2 ? Isn't that what you've been wanting to do this whole time? |
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10:05.58 | gonzaloaf | Hello, I want to change the language of my system... I have it in spanish right now... I want all to bein english, I just have to change the locales? |
10:06.16 | yettenet | Hi there... a friend of mine is thinking about switching to debian from arch linux... is anyone here who switched from arch? He asked me to ask some people about the difference and send him the log |
10:06.24 | _Rubyxx | It asked me whether I really want to log onto an unauthorised machine...I said yes...it then asked me for the password of no1 and logged me on....but the network went down |
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10:07.12 | _Rubyxx | or seemed to go down |
10:07.40 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: well, what happened with the ssh window? I don't care about the icon next to the clock. what happened in the ssh window?? |
10:07.55 | sbk | I realize this is wildly off-topic -- is there a channel that might be appropriate for a low-level pdf question? |
10:08.55 | Vasistha | sbk: you could ask ##postscript ... they at least might be able to point you in the right direction |
10:08.59 | _Rubyxx | Hold on I think the best thing is to disconnect this machine from the internet completely and try and log back in here with a direct internet connection from no 2 rather than from the failed network |
10:09.07 | sbk | Vasistha: ah, thanks. |
10:09.13 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: but what happened in the ssh window? |
10:10.11 | _Rubyxx | there was no ssh window....all the dialogue was in the terminal console |
10:10.40 | Vasistha | well, that's what I mean by the ssh window. the window that has ssh on it. or vt, if that's the case. |
10:10.43 | liable | lol |
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10:11.11 | _Rubyxx | no I was still in the terminal |
10:11.21 | miguelanxo | well, loaded stock kernel, works like a champ :P |
10:11.57 | _Rubyxx | ....where I typed the ssh command |
10:12.05 | Vasistha | <V> What happened to the ssh window? <R> The network went down <V> What happened to the ssh window? <R> Hold on I think the best thing is to disconnect <V> What happened to the ssh window? <R> there was no ssh window |
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10:12.15 | cheshire314 | hi guys! i'm getting the "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy" exception while i try to access my usb removable hd. i use sid+gnome. any ideas? |
10:12.37 | sobersabre | hi, is it possible to build a mirror software RAID out of existing partition, without losing data on it ? |
10:12.55 | sobersabre | ( given 2 identical size HDDs, one has the data ) |
10:13.19 | _Rubyxx | No window came up....the dialogue was all in the terminal.....sorry |
10:13.32 | Vasistha | THAT IS WHAT I MEAN BY "WINDOW" |
10:13.36 | Vasistha | sorry for caps! |
10:13.37 | _Rubyxx | ok |
10:14.03 | Vasistha | What happened there?? What did it say?? Did it do anything?? Did it say it lost the connection? |
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10:14.46 | foo | Will I get much more of a performance boost if I optimize a debian kernel? Or are they pretty rock solid/good from the start? |
10:15.20 | Vasistha | foo: they're pretty good. afaik, you're probably not going to see any improvement |
10:15.22 | _Rubyxx | but I explained...it simply asked me whether I wanted to log on...I said yes and it logged me on after asking for the password for no1....but nothing happened after that....it simply changed the hostname |
10:15.32 | TbbW | hello anyone got some knowlidge about creating debian .dev files? i got alil issue figuring out what version number i suld use in the .deb file with a fixed version of GD for php5.2.2 |
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10:15.45 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: it "changed the hostname" ... did you get a prompt? |
10:15.50 | _Rubyxx | to my name followed by the ip of no1 |
10:15.53 | _Rubyxx | yes |
10:16.02 | azeem | what else did you expect? |
10:16.04 | foo | Vasistha: That's what I thought, thanks :D |
10:16.07 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: did you try typing something there? |
10:16.12 | sep | foo, if you'd get a performance benefit. i'd think it would be pretty small. and it would definitiftly be more pain to handle your own security issues then to use the good work by the debian security team |
10:16.13 | TbbW | err... ".deb" even ( my bad ) |
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10:16.21 | _Rubyxx | no |
10:16.32 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: well try it! It looks like ssh is *working* ! |
10:16.36 | foo | sep: Thank you. |
10:16.36 | sobersabre | foo: what's the reason you want to "optimize" ? |
10:17.10 | _Rubyxx | I just want to be able to access the internet from no2 without having to switch off no1 |
10:17.20 | _Rubyxx | from the internet |
10:17.24 | foo | sobersabre: Oh, just wondering. The programmer of this project apparently builds his own debian kernels and was telling me (the admin) I should do it ... but I know debian boasts rock solid performance... and I didn't think the extra time and minimal performance boost was worth it - just wanted to confirm my theories with you folk |
10:17.25 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: I'm sorry to be so impatient. :) it's just frustrating when you don't answer questions, and instead go off doing other, irrelevant things |
10:17.25 | azeem | _Rubyxx: why do you need ssh for that? |
10:17.32 | IfelTow | hey, i've recently upgraded to etch all packages up to date etc. I plug in my creative zen vision M to my laptop now, and for some reason it just causes the zen to crash - when i look at connected devices, it doesn't even register it lspci shows nothing and fdisk -l shows nothing either |
10:17.44 | _Rubyxx | ok |
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10:18.09 | sobersabre | foo: there will be no performance "boost" unless you work in a VERY special environment. |
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10:18.41 | foo | sobersabre: I see. And by what would you define a "VERY special environment" ? |
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10:19.06 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: there's a package that's specifically designed to do just that -- internet connection sharing -- and it has *nothing* to do with ssh |
10:19.08 | sobersabre | some very special hardware, special time constraints ( like real time stuff ) etc. |
10:19.08 | _Rubyxx | someone told me yesterday I needed ssh so I installed it ...now it seems to be irrellevant to the problem |
10:19.17 | foo | sobersabre: ah, I see. ok |
10:19.40 | sobersabre | foo: add to this that most everyday stuff can be controlled via sysctl etc. |
10:20.00 | foo | sobersabre: Ah, I see. I'm not familiar with that. I'd have to look it up... or what does it do in a few words? :) |
10:20.30 | sobersabre | it does man sysctl :) |
10:20.35 | Vasistha | _Rubyxx: it's too bad you didn't tell us today what you were really trying to do :P Too bad abrotman isn't here, I know he knows what that damn package is called. I can never remember. |
10:20.38 | foo | sobersabre: oh, doh!! Alright, thanks :) |
10:20.50 | fengor | ipmasq |
10:20.51 | _Rubyxx | ok |
10:20.53 | Vasistha | yay! |
10:20.56 | Vasistha | !ipmasq |
10:20.56 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
10:21.03 | BleSS | is secure to delete the accounts that are not used as bin, daemon, games, etc? |
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10:21.18 | tuv | is it going to take long for libc6 2.5 to get to testing? i've come across a number of packages that are available in unstable only and that are pulling libc6 2.5 along. latest example: kvm |
10:21.31 | fengor | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 excplain everything you need to know too ;) |
10:21.42 | Vasistha | okay, I ought to be able to remember that -- just grep the logs for internet connection sharing. I even came up with the term myself... |
10:21.47 | fengor | BleSS: no its not |
10:22.00 | tuv | in other words, i can't install kvm in testing, can i? |
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10:22.36 | Vasistha | dpkg: internet connection sharing is <reply> see ipmasq |
10:22.37 | dpkg | Vasistha: okay |
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10:23.05 | BleSS | fengor: why not? they are accounts that are disabled, but has a valid shell and |
10:23.06 | Vasistha | tuv: nope. just be patient, it'll get there eventually. |
10:23.06 | BleSS | potentially enable the |
10:23.06 | BleSS | login ID to continue to be used |
10:23.16 | _Rubyxx | ok |
10:23.38 | torrr | which mail server is the best? |
10:23.42 | BleSS | fengor: sorry!! why not? they are accounts that are disabled, but has a valid shell and could potentially enable the login ID to continue to be used |
10:24.13 | gui0 | Hi, I use a new kernel source with Debian but my mouse become crazy sometimes |
10:24.15 | fengor | because im pretty sure daemon andbin ARE used in your system |
10:24.24 | fengor | removing them would break things |
10:24.32 | BleSS | ok |
10:24.36 | BleSS | thanks |
10:25.09 | liable | torrr: i vote postfix over exim, purely because exims config system is insane |
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10:26.04 | torrr | liable, thanks |
10:27.27 | sobersabre | guys. tell me if it is possible to build a raid1 out of an existing partition ? |
10:27.29 | Vasistha | gui0: what kernel source is that? |
10:27.31 | sobersabre | it is ? |
10:27.44 | Vasistha | sobersabre: I heard someone say the other day that that particular operation is possible |
10:27.57 | gui0 | Vasistha, the last one |
10:28.08 | Vasistha | gui0: and which one is that? uname -r |
10:28.17 | sobersabre | ok. I'll rtfm a bit. |
10:28.21 | gui0 | 2.6.21.1 |
10:28.23 | sobersabre | thanks, Vasistha |
10:28.31 | sobersabre | byebye #debian |
10:28.53 | fengor | gui0: i doubt thats an official debian kernel |
10:29.03 | Vasistha | gui0: that kernel isn't in debian. what version of debian are you using? |
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10:29.17 | gui0 | testing |
10:29.25 | gui0 | It's not a debian kernel |
10:29.29 | gui0 | sure ... |
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10:30.16 | gui0 | kernel.org ... |
10:30.24 | fengor | gui0: its like with cars. if you buy a car and change the engine and the engine blows up. you cannot sue the seller |
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10:30.33 | gui0 | I see :) |
10:30.58 | gui0 | I just try because perhaps it can be a know problem |
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10:31.15 | fengor | ant the point of new kernels nowadays are more features not necessarily stability if i'm informed correctly |
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10:32.44 | Vasistha | fengor: wasn't that Andrew Morton's idea? |
10:33.07 | fengor | Vasistha: i dont know i just overheard it here in the channel sometime ago |
10:33.41 | fengor | <-- has left the days behind hm where he needed to run the newest kernel released 5seconds ago ;) |
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10:34.32 | tuv | nice.. so even old plain qemu is uninstallable on testing? (well it is if vde[2] is unnecessary) |
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10:37.10 | infester | Anyone here with experience of the bootsplash patch for 2.6.18 kernels? |
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10:43.20 | Vasistha | !anyone |
10:43.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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10:45.43 | cydork | infester: there some other alternatives like splashy and usplash which dont require kernel patching. |
10:46.30 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
10:47.38 | ava_tar | =(!(^$|^[a-zA-Z0-9]+$)) ? |
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10:48.27 | fengor | "!(^$|^[a-zA-Z0-9=]+$)" or "!(^$|^[a-zA-Z0-9\=]+$)" |
10:48.31 | fengor | one should work |
10:48.36 | sep | fengor, thanks ill try |
10:48.46 | infester | cydork: yes, i've heard about them, but I'd really like this to work, I hate when I have to give up on something like this :'/ |
10:48.47 | fengor | if not ask google about regexes |
10:49.18 | infester | Anyway, my problem is i cannot enter the menu for activating bootsplash after patching it |
10:49.55 | ava_tar | grub? |
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10:56.23 | john2 | hello, i have a DELL Workstation and i would like to use a Linux distribution.. it has monitor/keyboard/mouse etc.. so i can have a Windows interface.. if i add that (i think is Gnome or KDE) i will lose in performance? or is about the same? |
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10:58.36 | alaya | like windows, performance would probably depend more upon how many/few gui effects you use |
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10:59.15 | alaya | but if you want something really minimal/fast, you might like fluxbox or openbox |
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10:59.38 | Gnea | john2: most debian and debian-based distros work just fine on dells |
11:03.04 | combotfighter | I've plugged in my PCI atheros WLan, but it doesn't appear in ifconfig. How can i change this? |
11:03.24 | alaya | combotfighter: that uses the madwifi driver |
11:03.29 | john2 | that dell workstation will be in a datacenter on a company.. so i will have some times access.. but in most cases i will use it from my home.. so i will not need to have an interface.. what do you suggest me? have an interface or not? and also can i see that interface from home? (i use putty which is command-based) |
11:03.29 | alaya | !madwifi |
11:03.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
11:05.00 | alaya | john2: you can start/stop the x server at will |
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11:05.39 | alaya | in other words, run the gui when you want it |
11:05.58 | john2 | aha |
11:12.49 | alaya | just don't install kdm/gdm/xdm and start x manually with "startx" |
11:12.49 | alaya | even if you do have gdm you can just stop it |
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11:13.41 | alaya | for a server you may only want a minimal gui like openbox |
11:13.41 | alaya | if you install full kde you will get games, office programs, viewers, etc. |
11:13.41 | alaya | same with gnome |
11:13.43 | fireba11 | alaya: usually you want no GUI at all :-) |
11:13.43 | alaya | yeah, none or only minimal |
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11:14.48 | athame | fireba11, won't it get tough that way? |
11:15.02 | tuv | qemu says that kqemu support is not compiled (amd64). why does the debian package not have kqemu support enabled? |
11:15.05 | athame | a minimalistic gui is supposed to be a good thing. |
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11:15.13 | tuv | kqemu-source is in main now |
11:15.25 | liable | tuv: and installed? |
11:15.34 | tuv | liable, yes |
11:15.38 | Bega_Deb | so .... Debian up with beryl now ;) |
11:15.40 | tuv | liable, and compiled using m-a |
11:15.49 | john2 | and guys.. i know its debian's chan, but for server machines is there any special distribution? i mean for examlpe debian is for desktop and the X dist is for server? or all linux versions are the same for server? |
11:16.42 | tuv | john2, debian stable is usually used for servers |
11:16.53 | john2 | aha ok |
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11:16.59 | tuv | john2, and debian testing is usually used for desktop |
11:17.03 | liable | athame: theres hardly a difference between a minimalst gui and no x at all. if you are going to run a minimalist gui, you may as well go without |
11:17.13 | whaq | !beryl |
11:17.13 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
11:17.34 | athame | liable, doesn't 'no-gui' get slightly tough to work around? |
11:17.38 | alaya | its nice to have multiple xterms open in a gui |
11:17.48 | can-o-worms | liable: what crap, how are you going to look at porn without x ? |
11:17.53 | alaya | if you're standing at the box |
11:17.56 | athame | can-o-worms, 'links' |
11:18.03 | liable | athame: in what sense? |
11:18.13 | can-o-worms | athame: check out the semicolon on that chick ? |
11:18.32 | liable | can-o-worms: we are talking servers |
11:18.36 | athame | liable, surely not every function be available using just the shell |
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11:18.59 | liable | can-o-worms: that would make some #debian users happy to see a semicolon on a chick! :P |
11:19.04 | alaya | athame: for administering a system, every function is |
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11:19.07 | athame | can-o-worms, its pointy and its got the dot too rounded |
11:19.24 | athame | true. |
11:19.31 | liable | athame: indeed, things are configured with text files or cli programs |
11:19.44 | liable | alaya: ^^ |
11:19.54 | liable | bah |
11:19.58 | liable | !confuse me |
11:19.59 | dpkg | No, who is our mushroom yesterday, liable? breeches of the democracy of mongolia with extra ham |
11:19.59 | can-o-worms | liable: most debian users would just be happy to see a chick |
11:20.01 | athame | liable, what about music playback? |
11:22.30 | liable | athame: i like cplay for stored music, mplayer for streams |
11:22.30 | cammoblammo | If you really need to look at, erm, graphics there is mplayer and fbi. |
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11:22.31 | cammoblammo | Of course, if you spend too long in the server room people start to suspect things. |
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11:22.33 | liable | cammoblammo: only when you lock the door and what people hear isn't hard drive *thrashing* |
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11:22.34 | cammoblammo | One time, at computer camp... oh, never mind. |
11:23.31 | athame | liable, i get a 'player not found' on cplay. i just installed it. |
11:23.36 | athame | does it need a backend? |
11:23.41 | liable | yes |
11:23.49 | liable | install mpg123 |
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11:23.54 | athame | k |
11:24.02 | athame | how do i configure it to use mpg123? |
11:24.16 | liable | you shouldnt need to do anything |
11:24.22 | athame | k |
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11:25.28 | takezo | hi |
11:25.29 | athame | heh, i like it liable |
11:25.30 | athame | :) |
11:25.48 | cammoblammo | athame: While you're at it, I like mocp, which does playlists, colour themes and so on. I use it even when I'm in GUI mode. |
11:26.04 | athame | cammoblammo, right on it |
11:26.11 | liable | athame: nice innit :) |
11:26.15 | athame | liable, can the cplay playback be made to run in the background for the same user session? |
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11:26.33 | athame | seems the playback stops when i quit it |
11:26.42 | cammoblammo | mocp can... ;-) |
11:26.58 | athame | mocp? |
11:27.15 | BleSS | how is possible that are being run the virtual consoles (sudo ps -ef|grep getty) when they are commented (2 to 6) in /etc/inittab ? |
11:27.28 | liable | athame: i usually just run it in a screen seesion, if you just want to play a song or so, mpg123 could do that and you can background it |
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11:27.40 | tuv | now qemu says: kqemu support: disabled |
11:28.10 | cammoblammo | athame: The package is called moc. The binary is mocp. |
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11:28.27 | athame | k |
11:28.33 | kombi | anyone know a good vserver in the netherlands? |
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11:28.53 | liable | vserver? |
11:29.12 | BleSS | why are being run the virtual consoles (sudo ps -ef|grep getty) when they are commented in /etc/inittab (2 to 6)? |
11:29.12 | kombi | virtual server |
11:29.49 | kombi | liable: means one machine look like several root servers |
11:29.50 | liable | kombi: what do you mean? |
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11:30.04 | liable | still doesnt make sense |
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11:30.51 | kombi | liable: you can rent a dedicated server with hardware exclusively used, and there is a slightly cheaper alternative with shared hardware but still root access |
11:31.11 | cydork | tuv: kqemu is loaded? any errors in dmesg? |
11:31.21 | liable | kombi: right, so you want a virtual machine hosting company? |
11:31.27 | tuv | now it works #%@ |
11:31.29 | takezo | i have debian and dont work ok my wireleess, i need to configure manual always when i run the computer, |
11:31.40 | takezo | how can i do to configure auto when i run it.. |
11:31.50 | kombi | lilable: if you would know a good one in the netherlands, that would be great, yes.. |
11:31.53 | mynullvoid | besides than alien to convert package to deb, what other util that I can use? |
11:32.08 | tuv | i just rm -f the /dev/kqemu device and recreated it. didn't work. then re-modprobe'ed the module and it works now :) |
11:32.11 | berzerka | i log with ssh into two different machines which lie behind the same nat router using port forwarding. i always get the "host key verification failed" error. what is the proper way to deal with this problem (i simply deleted known_hosts each time up to now..)? |
11:32.15 | takezo | any software o script to do it..? |
11:32.15 | liable | kombi: i dont :( i was just trying to make sense of your question :) |
11:32.41 | liable | takezo: what you want can be done in your interfaces file |
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11:33.02 | liable | takezo: man interfaces, zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
11:33.16 | cydork | berzerka: disable host key checking in sshd_config? |
11:33.29 | kombi | mynullvoid: deb2targz |
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11:33.48 | cydork | berzerka: coz your box thinks both machines are same. so they will have conflicts for sure. |
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11:33.58 | mynullvoid | kombi: I am looking for from targz to debian |
11:34.08 | takezo | sorry i do not understand.. |
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11:34.32 | berzerka | cydork: hmm disabling it completely seems somehow dirty to me.. can't i tell ssh to accept either of the keys? i thought there was a cleaner alternative. |
11:34.41 | cydork | takezo: take a look at man interfaces and at /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
11:35.08 | takezo | can you recomend me i good tool to configure wireless.? |
11:35.11 | takezo | in my debian.? |
11:35.19 | cydork | berzerka: well both machines can not have same hostkey. so there is no way out afaik. |
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11:35.55 | berzerka | cydork: well then, thank you. |
11:36.23 | RA3OR | hey, apache 2 comes with vhost built-in, right ? |
11:36.26 | RA3OR | :> |
11:36.28 | liable | takezo: network manager |
11:36.35 | takezo | fron debian.? |
11:36.39 | kombi | mynullvoid: you sort of don't, quite different thins |
11:36.48 | kombi | s/thins/things/ |
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11:36.56 | liable | RA3OR: yes, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
11:37.03 | liable | RA3OR: yes, /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
11:37.04 | takezo | it not work ok.. always i need to configure ip to my wlan0_rename |
11:37.20 | mynullvoid | kombi: I use this tool previously and it is better than alien, I forget the name of this package |
11:37.30 | berzerka | cydork: it is possible to add both keys to known_hosts then i get a warning of this kind every time: Offending key for IP in /home/bzk/.ssh/known_hosts:10 Matching host key in /home/bzk/.ssh/known_hosts:1, do you really want to connect? |
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11:37.49 | berzerka | but i guess i will just disable it completely.. |
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11:38.29 | takezo | can i configure IP in file /etc/network/internface |
11:38.31 | takezo | ? |
11:38.39 | liable | yes |
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11:38.44 | takezo | to my ip..? |
11:38.44 | kombi | ..you can! |
11:39.11 | cydork | berzerka: man ssh_config search for StrictHostKeyChecking |
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11:39.22 | takezo | and how can specify route to my wlan0_rename ..? when run the computer..? |
11:39.24 | RA3OR | liable: i wonder if under win32 apache will work with shortcuts |
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11:39.33 | cydork | berzerka: you can set that to "no" |
11:39.35 | liable | RA3OR: no idea |
11:40.14 | Alptraum- | hey there, i'm trying to compile a UDF for mysql. but since i never have done this before i'm getting some serious problems. i have the c++ sourcecode (mysqllevenshtein.cc) but i cant compile it |
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11:42.00 | noizze | I have a question about Debian Apache Webserver Setup |
11:42.00 | chemaja1 | <PROTECTED> |
11:42.41 | noizze | I like to use .htaccess but i get Options not allowed here..... |
11:42.44 | ootput | is there dj softwware available for the linux platform. more importantly, does such software exist in the official stable repo? |
11:42.51 | chemaja1 | can we market this as "our applications are so robust that even when they crash they still run?" :P |
11:42.53 | takezo | who can add default route by my wlan interface..? |
11:43.03 | takezo | how..? sorry |
11:43.09 | noizze | I thought easy..... Just add AllowOverride All to your Document root |
11:43.22 | kombi | noizze: do it in the virtualhost, but clearly that is a question for #apache |
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11:44.05 | Alptraum- | please see here for more details of my compilation problem: http://pastie.caboo.se/61704 |
11:44.10 | noizze | kombi: i dont think so! it work fine on my local server |
11:44.21 | takezo | how can add default route to my wlan0 interface..? |
11:45.29 | noizze | Its just the stupid unusual Debian Setup ....same with MySQL .... everyone use --skip-networking to refuse external mysql connection but debian do it in another way and i have no idea how to enable external mysql connections |
11:46.10 | athame | this is going to sound very noobish, but how do i 'cd' to a directory named (2002) - Hello? |
11:46.51 | athame | cd (2002)\ -\ Hello/ ? |
11:46.56 | noizze | athame: Use quotes ;-) |
11:47.07 | noizze | cd "(2002) - Hello" |
11:47.19 | cydork | athame: or use \( for ( |
11:47.21 | takezo | how can share partition to windows in my debian.? |
11:47.34 | wintix | takezo: samba |
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11:47.47 | athame | done. thanks noizze |
11:47.57 | takezo | how can install ? with apt-get..? |
11:48.01 | rob | or if it is on the same pc, make a fat32 partition |
11:48.08 | takezo | or is installed by default in my computer |
11:48.09 | takezo | ? |
11:48.15 | wintix | !installit |
11:48.15 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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11:48.28 | jelly-home | Hi, where do bugs for bpo packages go? |
11:50.30 | takezo | how i run samba..? |
11:50.52 | ctp | hi folks. i try to install an OpenType Font (Myriad) on my etch box. anyone has a hint how to deal with it? |
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11:51.04 | noizze | takezo: start the deamon in: /etc/init.d/ |
11:51.37 | noizze | ....sometimes i dont understand why ppls ask such basic plain questions |
11:51.42 | wintix | takezo: you have to install, configure and run it. you might try google. |
11:51.43 | noizze | :-| |
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11:51.57 | takezo | it todl to my -su: start: command not found |
11:52.05 | wintix | because they are lazy. |
11:52.10 | takezo | i installed with apt-get install samba |
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11:52.38 | noizze | takezo: he ask only "how do i run" not install :) |
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11:52.55 | takezo | wintix: it told to me; -su: start: command not found |
11:53.35 | noizze | takezo: fine, you know know there's no "start" command |
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11:53.56 | takezo | im baby with linux |
11:53.59 | takezo | sorry |
11:54.20 | noizze | takezo: did u configure samba already? |
11:54.34 | noizze | takezo: create & edit smb.conf File? |
11:54.36 | wintix | takezo: modify /etc/samba/smb.conf to your needs. after that restart samba with /etc/init.d/samba restart |
11:54.44 | takezo | i only did it; apt-get install samba |
11:54.55 | noizze | not enough |
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11:55.33 | takezo | smb.conf its by default, only i writte domain of my network.. |
11:55.40 | noizze | takezo: however, you need to spend some time for one of this *many* tutorials ...believe me it same u *lots* of time ;-) |
11:56.13 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a recommendable mailing list tool for debian sarge that runs out of the box? had a look at mailman but there are changes to exim config by hand necessary |
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11:56.51 | kakakoka | Is there a way to list the running/stopped state of all scripts in /etc/init.d/? |
11:57.21 | kombi | pstree |
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11:58.07 | oa_ | mkl1525, icedove ? |
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11:59.21 | kakakoka | kombi: I was more thinking a tool that lists the running/stopped state as seen by the start-stop-daemon, not as actual processes (ie. not as ps) |
11:59.27 | petemc | sysv-rc-conf |
11:59.32 | petemc | i think it does that.. |
11:59.45 | petemc | or some approximation of it |
12:00.16 | jerome | hum. Strange, my ibm x24 don't resume correctly after a suspend to disk/ram now. It used to a few days ago, now the screen is blank on resume and I think the system is frozen |
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12:00.41 | kombi | kakakoka: thing is, most scripts only run to start daemons |
12:01.17 | arcil | hey guys. i have a question concerning the use of encrypted lvm. i searched the web but did not find good information. can somebody recommend me a page which deals with this issue. i am very curious about it. how secure it is, how much it slows down the computer, the disadvantages and so on. does somebody here have informations for me? thank you in advance |
12:01.37 | Noborusan | is there a Zend Optimizer for debian etch via apt? |
12:01.45 | ma3x | configure: error: *** MAC lib headers not installed - please install first *** |
12:01.49 | ma3x | what package do I install for that? |
12:01.54 | petemc | Noborusan: zend is commercial software, no?> |
12:02.03 | kakakoka | kombi: petemc: oki |
12:02.08 | stew | ma3x: see if config.log tells you what file it was looking for |
12:02.34 | ma3x | conftest.c:57:24: error: mac/config.h: No such file or directory |
12:02.46 | Noborusan | petemc, Zend Optimizer is freeware,i think ? |
12:02.47 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg apt-file |
12:02.57 | ma3x | stew, I tried searching it gives too many results |
12:03.00 | ma3x | I don't know which one is it |
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12:03.38 | stew | ma3x: what exactly did you search for? |
12:03.51 | mkl1525 | oa_, thnaks for the hint but I need a tool that creates/manages mailing lists not a reader |
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12:04.18 | ma3x | stew, config.h |
12:04.20 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
12:04.21 | athame | cammoblammo, i was playing an mp3 with mocp, i closed the terminal window and its still playing in the background. how do i stop it? |
12:04.26 | stew | ma3x: search for "mac/config.h" |
12:04.30 | ma3x | stew, no results |
12:04.35 | stew | ma3x: there is your answer |
12:04.57 | ma3x | great |
12:05.01 | ma3x | lo |
12:05.06 | xarquid | mkl1525: majordomo / mailman? |
12:05.12 | ma3x | stew, you're always so reasonable |
12:05.30 | ma3x | that's just fantastic |
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12:06.25 | mkl1525 | petemc, thanks had a look at debian-administration but wasn't that helpful, any link from your side? |
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12:07.13 | doudou | what do i need to be able to do "ifconfig tun0 127.0.0.10" ? |
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12:09.12 | kubrick | doudou: tun/tap support into the kernel |
12:09.31 | Loigor | root |
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12:09.41 | justin008 | doudou:you need to be the superuser :-) |
12:10.47 | petemc | mkl1525: i dont know off hand, the docs supplied with the mailman package no good? |
12:10.56 | purplepenguins | and also ideally you'd have to have TUN drivers loaded in your kernel |
12:10.57 | doudou | kubrick, how do i check that? i have /dev/tun enought? |
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12:11.19 | purplepenguins | dmesg | grep tun |
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12:11.20 | doudou | justin008, i know root passwd |
12:11.32 | purplepenguins | if that pops something up |
12:11.58 | stew | doudou: what kind of tunnel are you trying to create? |
12:12.01 | purplepenguins | if not, then you'll need to recompile your kernel |
12:13.15 | doudou | stew, i dont know exactly even what is really a tunnel, i think i will try to launch something with qemu but i never did that |
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12:13.31 | purplepenguins | hmm, so you need a tunnel for a VM? |
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12:14.48 | doudou | purplepenguins, pbly, is it right way? |
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12:15.12 | doudou | stew, how can i check kernel have what is needed for tun/tap? |
12:15.24 | stew | doudou: what does "uname -r" say? |
12:15.25 | doudou | stew, tell me whre to read |
12:15.43 | sdf | hi i found the last version of debian have 21 iso torrent file?? |
12:15.44 | TbbW | http://phpfi.com/234222 <- nice |
12:15.51 | doudou | stew, 2.6.18-4-k7 |
12:15.51 | sdf | what is this? |
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12:16.01 | stew | doudou: that has tun/tap enabled |
12:16.24 | doudou | stew, ifconfig tun0 says device does not exists |
12:16.38 | TbbW | i got a fixed version of GD but the version number with the .deb comfuses me alil doh :P |
12:16.50 | mkl1525 | petemc, followed /usr/share/doc but getting "pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router" when a mail arrives for the mailing list, any suggestions? |
12:17.16 | petemc | mkl1525: did you configure exim with debconf? |
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12:17.37 | stew | doudou: "tun" is the name of the kenrel module for tun/tap |
12:17.52 | purplepenguins | I do remember that you need to use a tunnel for VM's |
12:17.57 | purplepenguins | but never done it on debian |
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12:18.07 | purplepenguins | in any case you'll probably have to recompile your kernel |
12:18.13 | purplepenguins | !recompile kernel |
12:18.34 | purplepenguins | !compile kernel |
12:18.35 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
12:19.09 | petemc | debian kernels have tun support, no? |
12:19.17 | jerome | hum, it seems that my suspend/resume problems come from xorg as I have no such problems when suspend/resuming from console mode. |
12:19.26 | jerome | (without X active) |
12:19.28 | mkl1525 | petemc, yes |
12:19.37 | petemc | mkl1525: which option did you choose? |
12:20.46 | Noborusan | sorry,but i need to know ImageMagick Binary Path ? |
12:20.58 | mkl1525 | petemc, split files, internet site, mailing list domain (and other), no relay |
12:21.03 | Noborusan | says Path to the ImageMagick 6 binaries (convert and identify). Example: Unix: /usr/local/bin/ |
12:21.28 | liable | Noborusan: /usr/bin for debian |
12:21.46 | Noborusan | just /usr/bin with/without slash ? |
12:21.57 | doudou | stew, do you know what is device sit0 ? and how to know what program made it? |
12:22.23 | stew | doudou: sit0 is an ipv6 in ipv4 tunnel |
12:22.35 | Noborusan | liable, magic ! Thank you very much |
12:22.44 | petemc | mkl1525: can you confirm, you've tried the readme.exim that came with mailman? |
12:22.46 | Noborusan | its worked :D very beautiful |
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12:24.29 | stew | doudou: so, am i to understand that you have some instructions for setting up kqemu that are telling you to crate a tun0, but they don't tell you how to create a tun0? |
12:24.38 | gromgull | adding APT::Default-Release "etch"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf should make my system stay at etch even if I have testing and unstable sourcelines, right? |
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12:25.19 | doudou | stew, no no, i try pbly things that does not exists, i did not read qemu yet |
12:25.33 | stew | gromgull: you really don't want to mix stable with testing or unstable, use backports instead: /msg dpkg backports |
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12:25.57 | basanta | the installer is unable to call cfdisk, any idea why? |
12:26.05 | doudou | stew, i tried bochs but it does not work, needs some files more to boot, and they are not give with aptitude install bochs |
12:26.23 | gromgull | stew: thanks - i'll look into it, but pretending I never install anything from unstable or testing, the syntax and file is right? |
12:26.57 | stew | gromgull: if you never install anything from unstable or testing, then you don't need that line, just get rid of unstable and testing from your sources.list |
12:27.36 | stew | doudou: if you aren't trying to install qemu, then what are you trying to do? |
12:28.51 | mkl1525 | petemc, shame on me just had a look at the .DEBIAN file, will read it |
12:29.13 | petemc | good shit |
12:29.20 | doudou | stew, i would have like to put a virtual nic into my computer, but i can open it a put a real one too |
12:29.25 | takezo | how can i do to run the system auto with user i specify |
12:29.27 | takezo | ? |
12:29.28 | takezo | thank |
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12:30.02 | rza | good day |
12:30.10 | stew | doudou: what do you plan to do with the virtual nic? do you just need an alias, such as eth0:1? |
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12:30.17 | petemc | takezo: you might want to rephrase that question so it makes some sense |
12:30.22 | rza | anyone knows if Sean Finney or anyone of the debian php team ircs? |
12:30.45 | doudou | stew, should bochs run on my computer, or some file are really missing? i have a pentium II i think (geode NX) |
12:31.06 | takezo | i want , when the system its start up, log in wiith user auto |
12:31.24 | petemc | takezo: you can configure a display manager such as gdm to automatically log in |
12:31.24 | takezo | i dont wwant writte the user to access . |
12:31.28 | stew | rza: yes, seanius@irc.debian.org, but he's not there now |
12:31.37 | Nielsen|Work | takezo: in CLI or GUI? |
12:31.43 | stew | doudou: i dont' know anything about bochs |
12:31.45 | takezo | gui |
12:31.46 | rza | stew: im not in a hurry |
12:31.51 | stew | doudou: what do you plan to do with the virtual nic? do you just need an alias, such as eth0:1? |
12:31.54 | rza | stew: thank you for the information |
12:31.54 | takezo | it s for run my media center |
12:32.01 | Nielsen|Work | takezo: i know kde/kdm offers autologin |
12:32.15 | doudou | stew, i would like to send traffic from eth0 to eth1, i suppose then it will be as if i had two computers linked? |
12:32.19 | stew | rza: you should consider email then |
12:32.24 | takezo | its k menu |
12:32.32 | doudou | stew, with iptables |
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12:33.00 | rza | stew: yeah, i just prefer "conversation" |
12:33.01 | takezo | Nielsen: how can i do autologin.? |
12:33.07 | stew | doudou: you want to route it, or you want bridge it? |
12:33.09 | Nielsen|Work | takezo: open the control center, go to System administratiion, Login Manager |
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12:34.03 | Nielsen|Work | takezo: you want the Convenience tab |
12:34.10 | doudou | stew, prefer route it, when i traceroute to google for example there is always a computer that does not respond |
12:34.28 | doudou | stew, bridge it is to make unvisible computers |
12:34.33 | doudou | stew, bridge it is to make unvisible routers |
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12:35.12 | stew | doudou: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -J ACCEPT ; edit /etc/sysctl.conf and make sure ip_forward is set to 1 |
12:35.13 | doudou | stew, i would like to make plenty of virtual visible routers |
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12:35.46 | stew | doudou: you can create aliases for eth0 like eth0:1 eth0:2 etc in /etc/network/interfaces : /msg dpkg interfaces |
12:36.05 | doudou | stew, yes but i have no eth1, i need to quit my house, take car and children, go to store and buy nic! |
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12:36.16 | doudou | msk dpkg |
12:36.24 | doudou | !dpkg |
12:36.24 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is a program. you have to expect some confusion if you name yourself after a program |
12:36.46 | doudou | !dpkg interfaces |
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12:37.05 | doudou | stew, seems i am too stupid |
12:37.29 | stew | doudou: what are you going to connect to eth1? some other computer? |
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12:37.51 | Zap-W | anyone know of a stock debian kernel with Root NFS support compiled in? |
12:38.27 | stew | Zap-W: exactly which config option are you asking about? |
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12:38.58 | Zap-W | CONFIG_ROOT_NFS ! |
12:39.02 | doudou | stew, no same one i think |
12:39.12 | mkl1525 | petemc, have set router and transport for mailman and restarted exim but exim still complains about "pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router" |
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12:39.27 | stew | doudou: then what is the point of having a second ethernet card? |
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12:40.13 | sdive | hi, how to I remove unused dependencies in Debian? :) |
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12:41.30 | stew | sdive: if you always use aptitude instead of apt-get, it is done automatically, otherwise use deborphan or debfoster |
12:41.30 | doudou | stew, i dont know |
12:41.30 | stew | doudou: what are you trying to do? |
12:41.31 | sdive | stew, I'm an apt-get guy - I'll try one of those then, thank you |
12:41.55 | Zap-W | bioo |
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12:42.06 | doudou | stew, i would be peased to be able to create virtual nics, seems it it not useful, i thougjt it was simple |
12:42.39 | stew | doudou: it is simple, just add a eth0:1 in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup eth0:1 |
12:42.53 | stew | doudou: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has examples |
12:42.59 | doudou | stew, i can test to dispatch incomming trafiic betweens computers |
12:43.03 | Zap-W | suuuuuuuuuuuuuuup] |
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12:43.29 | sdive | stew, how is the accuracy with deborphan? for example it wants me to remove libperl (which I think must be used) |
12:43.38 | cheshire314 | sdive: i usually use "orphaner -a --purge" |
12:44.16 | Noborusan | I forgot the person who suggested me to install cgi for php rather than its being a module of apache ? |
12:44.44 | Noborusan | I mean,does that mean something especially ?security ?cuz dreamhost does this too |
12:44.56 | stew | sdive: deborphan is accurate. i don't know what libperl is, debian doesn't have such a package, but "apt-cache rdepends libperl" will list for you the packages which depend on libperl, you can check to see if you have any of them installed |
12:45.05 | cheshire314 | sdive: orphaner is just a deborphan frontend, -a option should allow you to see every packages, libraries too. |
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12:47.07 | cheshire314 | <PROTECTED> |
12:47.22 | sdive | stew, doesn't look like I need any of those. I'll try to remove them then :) |
12:47.56 | sdive | cheshire314, alright. I think I'll go with deborphan though :) |
12:49.13 | cheshire314 | sdive: ok. you don't trust me! :-) |
12:50.01 | sdive | cheshire314, hah, had any problems with deborphan? ;) |
12:50.51 | solemnwarning | If I compile a custom kernel on an LVM system, does it need me to learn to make initrd's? |
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12:51.39 | cheshire314 | sdive: not at all, i think orphaner and deborphan are exactly the same thing, it's just a matter of having a gui. |
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12:52.11 | cheshire314 | (sdive: if you want purge your packages remember --purge option) |
12:54.21 | sdive | cheshire314, will do, thanks :) |
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12:55.14 | tarzeau | i hate HP WEBJET ADMIN crap java software |
12:55.14 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
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13:00.25 | takezo | hi |
13:00.39 | takezo | how can i give to my debian a spectacular look..? |
13:00.49 | takezo | any web whith themes.. |
13:00.54 | takezo | like nigh.. |
13:00.56 | takezo | ? |
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13:01.21 | sep | http://www.debianart.org ? |
13:01.27 | takezo | ahh, some cisco vpn client compatible. |
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13:02.53 | Noborusan | i thought Zend Optimizer was included in etch,hmm |
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13:10.40 | Bega_Deb | is there a finance/budget app that anyone can recommend me to use in Etch (gnome)? |
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13:15.37 | dondelelcaro | Bega_Deb: gnucash |
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13:17.24 | jelly-home | Noborusan: zend optimizer is binary only, non-free software, it'll never be in Debian under those constraints |
13:17.51 | doudou | stew, does not works, says no device exists, how do i check module tap is running? |
13:18.16 | stew | doudou: what doesn't work? |
13:18.20 | stew | doudou: what are you trying to do? |
13:18.39 | stew | doudou: "modprobe tun" to load the tun/tap module |
13:18.42 | Noborusan | jelly-home, i see,and i was checking says its less good than eaccelerator,anyway thanks |
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13:19.06 | Begasus | installing gnucash atm ... thnx dondelelcaro |
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13:20.02 | jelly-home | Noborusan: well, eaccelerator can't be distributed in Debian either because of license issues so... :-) |
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13:21.32 | doudou | stew, modprobe tun and modprobe -l | grep tun says ok for tun, but nothing for tap |
13:21.40 | Noborusan | jelly-home, isnt ea free ? |
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13:21.55 | doudou | stew, http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=4&topic=tap seems to says that tap0 and tap1 are virtual nic |
13:22.11 | spheard | is a sunfire v120 a decent machine? |
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13:27.21 | jelly-home | Noborusan: see http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060917.180528.d3ab3259.en.html |
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13:28.43 | Noborusan | okay |
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13:30.39 | Thms | is ndiswrapper in the minimal CD ? |
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13:30.44 | Thms | or the netinst CD ? |
13:31.11 | fireba11 | netinstall |
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13:32.06 | doudou | stew, i have also problems with qemu, how do i create disk image? |
13:32.27 | tarzeau | someone got a large hp laserjet firmware collection? |
13:32.31 | stew | doudou: tun is the tun/tap driver. the link you posted was for freebsd, not for linux |
13:32.44 | stew | doudou: disk image of what? |
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13:33.21 | Smari | Uhm. Could somebody tell me what's the right course of action when libXrender.la is missing? |
13:33.22 | esters | hello, when i put an blank cd-r disc , dmesg outputs this : cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! , i can't write data on those disks! |
13:33.23 | doudou | stew, i tryed to put tun0 and tap0 up this is impossible, cant understand why |
13:33.38 | stew | doudou: what are you trying to do exactly? |
13:34.03 | doudou | stew, virtual machines, answering networktraffic |
13:34.27 | doudou | stew, i want to launch another linux in qemu |
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13:36.05 | doudou | stew, they says to make a image of a disk with qemu, did you know how? if for example i only want to boot a smal iso file of debian? |
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13:37.18 | sep | doubleukay, this is debian-edu spesific, but you should be able to interpolate the info you need http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/TestCDinstall |
13:37.31 | stew | doudou: so, am i to understand that you have some instructions for setting up qemu that are telling you to crate a tun0, but they don't tell you how to create a tun0? |
13:37.33 | doubleukay | hi |
13:37.38 | doubleukay | ahh.. never mind :) |
13:37.43 | stew | doudou: you are asking how to create an iso? |
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13:38.17 | doubleukay | oh well, while i'm here |
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13:38.32 | doubleukay | does anyone know a good tool to improve latex workflow? |
13:38.35 | infester | I'm having trouble getting bootsplash to work on my ppc, i cannot enter the bootsplash configuration meny while configuring my kernel, is this a common problem? |
13:38.42 | doudou | stew, i forgive the tun0 story for a moment, not how to create a iso, but to create the image of a disk needed by qemu to boot from a iso file |
13:38.45 | cydork | doudou: you want to boot a iso with qemu? |
13:38.51 | doubleukay | currently i'm editing -> make -> preview in xpdf |
13:38.54 | doudou | cydork, yes |
13:38.55 | cydork | doudou: -cdrom option |
13:39.03 | nevyn | doudou: rubber? |
13:39.11 | cydork | doudou: use qemu -cdrom /path/to/iso |
13:39.12 | azeem | nevyn: eh? |
13:39.16 | doudou | cydork, seems simple |
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13:39.22 | nevyn | doubleukay: rubber |
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13:39.27 | doubleukay | thanks |
13:39.32 | nevyn | azeem: wrong expansion |
13:39.36 | azeem | I see |
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13:39.45 | nevyn | doubleukay: but lots of people use make |
13:39.57 | nevyn | doubleukay: if I'm even solving the right problem... |
13:39.58 | ma3x | any good wav to mp3 encoder you'd recommend? |
13:40.10 | CaT[tm] | lame |
13:40.24 | nevyn | lame |
13:40.29 | CaT[tm] | (really, is there any other answer to that question?) |
13:40.48 | nevyn | There are no other mp3 encoders that exist. |
13:40.54 | doubleukay | nevyn: while i'm writing, it's vim all the way. it's when i want to finalize it that the whole make-preview-edit-wash-repeat gets cumbersome :) |
13:41.02 | CaT[tm] | oh I've used them in the past |
13:41.11 | ma3x | I mean with gui |
13:41.12 | doubleukay | thanks, i'll see how rubber goes |
13:41.24 | CaT[tm] | ma3x: get a gui wrapper for it |
13:41.32 | ma3x | like what? |
13:41.34 | nevyn | doubleukay: dunno if it'll help THAT much with that problem |
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13:41.58 | nevyn | it's more a make that knows about some latexy semantics (like needing to run twice to get indexes and lof and stuff |
13:41.59 | CaT[tm] | ma3x: buy lame gui might be good search terms on google if you were to think about helping yourself to some information |
13:42.25 | ma3x | cat, buy???? |
13:42.36 | CaT[tm] | ma3x: but |
13:42.39 | ma3x | ok |
13:42.49 | doubleukay | nevyn: ahh yes.. the quirks of la/bibtex :) |
13:43.02 | doubleukay | not complaining though.. i really rather use that than to reference by hand heh heh |
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13:43.54 | ootput | what's the name of the differently-copyrighted cdrecord alternative? |
13:44.09 | doudou | cydork, worked very well |
13:44.09 | ootput | will it essentially take the same arguments? |
13:44.09 | azeem | ootput: wodim |
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13:47.34 | ^rob^ | hello - i am having an annoying problem with ftp and nat - when NAT is enabled, If i connect locally to ftp and passive is off - ls give this err: 500 Illegal PORT command << even with ftp_nat module |
13:47.56 | ^rob^ | but i can connect from outside the world and do ls, |
13:48.06 | ma3x | why is 'lame' disabled in soundconverter? |
13:48.12 | ma3x | should I install the lame package or what? |
13:48.15 | ma3x | it's not available |
13:48.18 | azeem | ma3x: lame is not in Debian |
13:48.22 | azeem | it's patent-encumbered |
13:48.30 | azeem | ma3x: you can get it from debian-multimedia |
13:48.32 | ma3x | azeem, so is there way to install it or not? |
13:48.33 | ma3x | oh ok |
13:48.40 | ma3x | is that marillat? |
13:48.43 | azeem | yes |
13:48.45 | ma3x | ok |
13:48.45 | ma3x | thanks |
13:49.02 | ^rob^ | ma3x: i think marillat change the server. |
13:49.40 | doubleukay | ^rob^: illegal port command.. on a local(host) ftp server? |
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13:49.47 | ^rob^ | doubleukay: yes |
13:49.49 | ma3x | i know azeem said already |
13:49.57 | ^rob^ | ma3x: ok |
13:50.12 | doubleukay | hmm that's weird :) |
13:50.20 | ^rob^ | doubleukay: if i disable nat postrouting it's working... |
13:51.10 | doubleukay | i see |
13:51.10 | ma3x | azeem, I installed lame, but MP3 is still disabled in soundconverter |
13:51.10 | doubleukay | that postrouting nat rule wouldn't happen to be working on lo, is it? |
13:51.11 | ^rob^ | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE |
13:51.14 | ^rob^ | is on both. |
13:51.26 | ^rob^ | should i put it only on eth0 ? |
13:52.17 | doubleukay | ^rob^: hmm i don't see any harm restricting it to eth0 (-o eth0) |
13:52.19 | doubleukay | hth |
13:52.25 | unreal-dude | so, if i update my kernel with apt-get, and it has graphics probs, (i love 640x480) wtf do i do? |
13:54.02 | ^rob^ | doubleukay: testing brb ;) |
13:54.09 | berzerka | unreal-dude: first of all, drop that kind of language :P |
13:54.17 | jelly-home | unreal-dude: new kernel requires rebuilding for proprietary drivers for the graphic card |
13:54.18 | ^rob^ | hmm |
13:54.23 | Smari | Nobody? |
13:54.29 | fengor | ^rob^: do you use the ipmasq package? |
13:54.32 | ^rob^ | it seems it's ok now. |
13:54.49 | azeem | Smari: libXrender.la is supposed to be missing |
13:54.50 | Smari | I'm looking for libXrender.la .. it doesn't seem to be in the relevant packages and I need it to be able to compile pidgin. |
13:54.51 | unreal-dude | hmm |
13:54.55 | Smari | azeem: Ohh? |
13:54.56 | ^rob^ | fengor: no - just iptables |
13:54.57 | unreal-dude | ok, love to learn i guess |
13:55.02 | Smari | azeem: Then what do I do? |
13:55.02 | azeem | Smari: fix pidgin then |
13:55.15 | azeem | Smari: btw, why do you compile it? |
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13:55.35 | Smari | azeem: Can't find it in apt? |
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13:55.44 | Smari | Woah |
13:55.47 | Smari | Yeah I can. |
13:55.47 | Smari | Haha |
13:55.59 | Smari | I updated my repository and it must have come new in there. |
13:56.03 | Smari | Nevermind then. :) |
13:56.06 | Smari | Thanks anyway. |
13:56.09 | possie | anyone that might know how to recover from a partition table that has been overwritten? i'm using gpart but it finds partitions saying: type: 000(0x00)(unused) |
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13:56.30 | ^rob^ | doubleukay: ty mate - you made me happy - i was so close to go in desperate mode ;) |
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13:56.42 | doubleukay | ^rob^: glad to help :) |
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14:01.39 | jepler | can someone point me at a description of all the things that can be written in a package's Depends or Build-Depends line? I have looked in the places I know about (e.g., http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control) but I did not find a complete listing. |
14:02.12 | jepler | I am particularly puzzled by this item, from the build-depends of vim: libgpmg1-dev [!hurd-i386] | not+linux-gnu |
14:02.19 | liable | jepler: try #debian-mentors on oftc |
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14:02.47 | beap | hi what group is this? /dev/sg0 ? |
14:02.54 | Noborusan | Thanks for helping me,have a good day |
14:03.44 | kramed_ | anyone know of a netbeans repo? |
14:03.49 | dondelelcaro | jepler: there isn't a complete listing, really, because almost anything can modify the resultant control file |
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14:05.10 | azeem | jepler: that's from type-handling |
14:05.14 | azeem | jepler: you can just ignore it |
14:05.45 | azeem | actually, "libgpmg1-dev [!hurd-i386] | not+linux-gnu" is pretty stupid as hurd-i386 is not+linux-gnu as well |
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14:06.05 | euzxx | http://magegame.ru/?rf=53617264656c6b61 |
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14:06.38 | jelly-home | azeem: it could be a marker for "if any other non-linux-gnu arch comes around, add it here too" |
14:07.02 | azeem | jelly-home: like, kfreebsd-i386 |
14:07.11 | jelly-home | right |
14:07.19 | azeem | which is why they added it I guess, but they could've dropped the hurd-i386 then |
14:07.23 | azeem | anyway, it's cosmetic |
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14:07.35 | liable | or cosmic |
14:07.51 | jelly-home | cosplay? |
14:07.54 | afat | twar |
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14:09.19 | jduggan_ | hi all, is there no mod_authz_host in debian's apache? since i went from sarge to etch ive got an error with Order by in my conf |
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14:12.16 | esters | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=14998 |
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14:12.57 | Arafangion | How do I allow my screen session to be seen by multiple people? |
14:13.05 | Arafangion | ie, the ^a:multiuser on |
14:13.54 | liable | i thought all you had to do was et em to connect with -x |
14:14.15 | liable | someone stole my 'g' key! |
14:14.25 | Arafangion | liable: the naive approach works for the SAME user. |
14:15.35 | Arafangion | liable: It's different for multiple users, otherwise any random guy on your system would be able to attach to your screen session! |
14:15.49 | liable | Arafangion: ack |
14:16.48 | ootput | !xen |
14:16.48 | dpkg | hmm... xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
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14:22.30 | unreal-dude | so, where do i begin with this |
14:22.41 | xand | with what? |
14:22.48 | unreal-dude | unreal-dude: new kernel requires rebuilding for proprietary drivers for the graphic card |
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14:23.17 | naitram | ok simple question here, been developing software / script to run on a server. Need to start all the software / scripts on startup, where to put the commands. |
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14:23.46 | unreal-dude | the init.d and such |
14:24.07 | unreal-dude | unless, its apps and not services |
14:24.56 | naitram | unreal-dude: all are apps and php scripts |
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14:26.23 | arw | hi. |
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14:27.05 | arw | what is the state-of-the-art way to keep installed packages on a number of computers synchronized? |
14:27.08 | sarefo | hi, how do i add a source to the list of servers that get searched with apt-get? |
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14:27.23 | stew | sarefo: man sources.list |
14:27.26 | sarefo | thx |
14:27.27 | arw | sarefo: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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14:28.23 | arw | the current approach i use is dpkg --set-selections < long-list |
14:28.26 | novata_peleona | i am trying to run links (ed2k) and execute them agains kmldonkey. I read i must set the path to /usr/bin/ed2k, but i set it and it does not work |
14:28.27 | XMrs | us there a ATI driver in etch stable |
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14:28.52 | rgsteele | naitram: apt-get install rcconf |
14:28.54 | jelly-home | naitram: look at man update-rc.d, man start-stop-daemon, /etc/init.d/skeleton, and probably Debian Policy |
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14:29.06 | stew | XMrs: yes xserver-xorg-video-ati |
14:29.20 | stew | XMrs: (which should be installed automatically when you install the 'xorg' metapacakge) |
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14:29.47 | XMrs | thanx |
14:29.49 | stickybit` | iceweasel crashes when try to bookmark any page in debian etch.... any solution? |
14:29.55 | jharrisonwk | anyone know of system benchmarking software for linux that would show floating point performance? |
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14:30.10 | stickybit` | stew: |
14:30.14 | stew | stickybit`: |
14:30.24 | arw | jharrisonwk: linpack. |
14:30.25 | jelly-home | naitram: or do you just need to run things once at boot time? |
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14:30.34 | arw | jharrisonwk: but its not that simple... |
14:30.36 | stickybit` | stew: iceweasel crashes when try to bookmark any page in debian etch.... any solution? |
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14:31.05 | naitram | jelly-home: just need to run things once at boot time, also need some scripts to have su permission |
14:31.10 | liable | stickybit`: is your home dir from another install or shared? |
14:31.32 | stickybit` | liable: another install |
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14:32.06 | liable | stickybit`: move your mozilla/iceweasl directory elswhere and try again |
14:32.12 | stickybit` | liable: ok |
14:32.14 | jelly-home | naitram: simplest way is probably to mkdir /etc/rc.boot and put them there. |
14:32.35 | liable | rc.local can do that |
14:32.44 | Arafangion | liable: Ahh, screen has to be setuid'd root, it seems. |
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14:33.28 | liable | Arafangion: really? i just tried suing to another user from within screen and it didnt like it, so i gave up. |
14:33.51 | Arafangion | liable: first, chmod +s screen. |
14:34.02 | liable | Arafangion: that doesnt sound very sane |
14:34.10 | Arafangion | liable: Then, as one user, ^a:multiuser on |
14:34.20 | Arafangion | liable: And, ^a:addacl otheruser |
14:34.23 | liable | Arafangion: i just tried the acladd thing |
14:34.27 | h3sp4wn | its already g+s |
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14:34.48 | Arafangion | liable: Now, you can, as the other user, do screen -x originaluser/ |
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14:34.57 | ootput | would there be any benefits in running the xen kernel as compared to the regular kernel if I chose not to employ xen for the time being? |
14:34.59 | Arafangion | h3sp4wn: Hmm? So, why did I have to +s it? |
14:35.04 | ootput | s/benefits/drawbacks |
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14:35.27 | h3sp4wn | Arafangion: not in the right group ? |
14:35.57 | naitram | jelly-home: what would I put in the directory for startup of an app that exists in another directory, a symlink? What about to run a script, would I need a bash script to do that in the directory or just one bash script for all I want to do? |
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14:36.51 | Arafangion | h3sp4wn: Hmm, that'd do it. I forget how much more flexible linux acl's have become. |
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14:38.41 | sobersabre | hi guys, I cannot mount a non listed in /etc/mtab partition |
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14:38.54 | sobersabre | I get error: already mounted or busy |
14:38.57 | sobersabre | what the hell ?! |
14:39.09 | naitram | jelly-home: never mind, I see now. Thanks |
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14:39.20 | jelly-home | naitram: you can put any number of executables there (symlinks should work too), as long as their names conform to run-parts' spec |
14:39.41 | stickybit` | thanks liable it worked |
14:39.58 | stickybit` | liable: but what is the reason? |
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14:40.24 | sobersabre | sorry for bothering, it's samba! |
14:40.26 | sobersabre | :) |
14:40.44 | sobersabre | no... its 's not |
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14:41.08 | Arafangion | h3sp4wn: I keep thinking that +s is the "special bit" ;) |
14:41.11 | sobersabre | so.. what can not allow me to mount partition... ? |
14:41.48 | Faolchu | What do I add to /etc/apt/sources.list to add the unstable repo? I tried 'unstable' after the main repo, but I got errors after updating APT |
14:41.54 | Faolchu | I googled and had little luck. |
14:42.19 | fengor | Faolchu: what do you use right now? |
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14:43.00 | Faolchu | fengor: etch, main, contrib, non-free |
14:43.02 | jelly-home | Arafangion: only "special" apps use it :-) |
14:43.11 | fengor | and you want to upgrade to lenny? |
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14:43.22 | Faolchu | fengor: No, I just want to get a single app that is in the unstable repos. |
14:43.40 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Very true :) |
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14:43.50 | fengor | you arent supposed to mix the repos Faolchu |
14:44.08 | fengor | but to answer your question |
14:44.18 | liable | stickybit`: i dont know, can only speculate that your old distro made imcompatible files, which really shouldnt be the case these days |
14:44.20 | fengor | you have to change etch to unstable for accessing the unstable repos |
14:44.30 | Faolchu | I see. You think installing moodbar from the repos would present a problem? |
14:44.32 | judgen_ | anyone involed in the dansguardian project? |
14:44.51 | azeem | fengor: please don't recommend upgrading to unstable |
14:45.11 | fengor | Faolchu: i think mixing the repos will present problems since many programs will have dependencies which could get upgraded as well |
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14:45.28 | fengor | azeem: i didnt recommend upgrading i specifically said it would be unwise |
14:45.40 | Faolchu | Bleh, maybe alien can handle the rpm... |
14:45.42 | liable | stickybit`: try moving subdirectories back in and see which causes the problem |
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14:46.03 | stickybit` | liable: oh... i am doing that only |
14:46.44 | Faolchu | Or not. I guess I have to install from source. |
14:46.46 | Faolchu | Le sigh. |
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14:47.26 | liable | stickybit`: you should be able to import your old info through iceweasel i think (instead of moving old files back in) |
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14:48.03 | stickybit` | liable: i will try |
14:48.16 | _slacker_ | hi all, can someone help me? i'm having problems with the sudoers file in etch |
14:48.25 | stew | _slacker_: ask a more specific question |
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14:48.36 | stickybit` | liable: i just renamed ~/.mozilla and didn't remove it |
14:48.42 | _slacker_ | this lines doent work form me: mauro ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/wpa-supplicant /sbin/dhclient /sbin/iwconfig |
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14:49.04 | _slacker_ | steve, any idea? |
14:49.14 | _slacker_ | stew, any idea? |
14:49.15 | liable | stickybit`: yeah, good. see if you can point iceweasel to it to import your bookmarks etc |
14:49.20 | stew | _slacker_: those should be comma separated |
14:49.25 | stew | _slacker_: (the commands) |
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14:50.48 | sobersabre | mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or src busy |
14:50.53 | sobersabre | what the hell!!! |
14:50.53 | _slacker_ | stew, cool! |
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14:51.14 | stickybit` | liable: yeah |
14:51.21 | Faolchu | "checking for fftw3f >= 3.0... configure: error: you need the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West installed ! |
14:51.41 | sobersabre | guys I don't understand why the device is busy ?!? lsof doesn't show it |
14:51.42 | jduggan_ | hi all, is there no mod_authz_host in debian's apache? since i went from sarge to etch ive got an error with Order by in my conf...anyone got any clues on this?? |
14:52.41 | stew | Faolchu: 'apt-cache search fftw3f' if you are compiling something you are looking for a -dev package |
14:52.59 | Faolchu | stew: I just found the name amusing. |
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14:54.08 | Faolchu | Hmm, there's fftw3, but not fftw3f. |
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14:55.44 | berzerka | disabling StrictHostKeyChecking seems not to work for me. i put in /etc/ssh/ssh_config: Host * \ CheckHostIP no \ StrictHostKeyChecking no (\ is newline). i have no user config and also no commandline parameters. but i still get "host key has been added to known_hosts" and upon connect to a different masqueraded host "remote host identification failed". what am i missing? |
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14:58.52 | petemc | berzerka: i remember a blog entry from madduck on that subject, let me check... |
14:59.13 | berzerka | petemc: thats nice |
14:59.24 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to check what video formats mplayer can play? |
14:59.48 | petemc | berzerka: is that supposed to sound patronizing? |
15:00.04 | schme | CharminTheMoose: Doesn't that depend on what codecs you have? |
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15:00.21 | CharminTheMoose | schme: does it? |
15:00.24 | berzerka | petemc: it was supposed to mean thats nice [of you] |
15:00.54 | schme | CharminTheMoose: Uh.. yes. |
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15:01.12 | CharminTheMoose | schme: joy! :D |
15:01.14 | petemc | berzerka: ah, sorry :) |
15:01.23 | berzerka | petemc: no it was not! :) |
15:01.25 | petemc | http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2007.03.23_managing-known-hosts |
15:01.26 | petemc | :) |
15:02.09 | schme | CharminTheMoose: the mplayer site has tons of 'em. |
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15:03.43 | Crypticfortune | eek, under the latest libcups update, /usr/lib/cups/backend/http got turned into readable by root only....that doesnt seem right |
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15:07.33 | berzerka | petemc: nice method he shows there, but it is one step further than my actual problem. i seem to be unable to disable system-wide host-checking. well i will try to add it to the user config as he states it. |
15:07.43 | redrain | Hi, I have a few problems with Iceweasel and want to install firefox. But it complains: /firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
15:07.55 | redrain | I've installed ia32-libs* |
15:07.58 | dogmeat | under /proc/ i see the process list, how can i view files that are stored there? |
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15:08.16 | liable | cat /proc/foofile |
15:08.20 | redrain | But still have same problem. Is there any way to install firefox on a 64 bit Etch |
15:08.39 | sobersabre | how can I find out what is locking my device or directory ( and I cannot mount that dev onto that directory ) |
15:08.42 | sobersabre | ? |
15:08.59 | sobersabre | I've tried: kill nfs, kill samba, lsof |
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15:10.12 | debianix | hey anyone can tell me how to re create a root account in mysql ? |
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15:11.38 | redrain | debianix, It has a root account by default |
15:12.11 | sobersabre | debianix: iirc it is created when you run initdb (IIRC) |
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15:13.01 | debianix | yeah it had 3 by default ... root@localhost root@my.hostname.com debian-something@localhost |
15:13.22 | debianix | but i've installed phpmyadmin and though i would delete the root@localhost one |
15:13.32 | debianix | and i can't seem to gain access to the database again |
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15:13.48 | tnks | Hi, is there a standard command to check for the existence of a group? Or is greping /etc/groups pretty much the POSIX way to do it? |
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15:14.18 | sobersabre | tnks: grep |
15:14.44 | tnks | sobersabre: okay... that was my suspicion |
15:14.47 | sobersabre | if you want to checkup user's groups, there's program 'groups' |
15:15.02 | yumanda | redrain:you can install pkg ia32-libs-gtk |
15:15.09 | debianix | any idea ? |
15:15.20 | sobersabre | it will give you the correct answer even if not /etc/groups is the main thing here ( nis/ldap/winbindd ) |
15:15.35 | redrain | yumanda, apt says it can't find ia32-libs-gtk |
15:16.04 | yumanda | redrain: it's now a unstable pkg |
15:16.32 | redrain | yumanda, Package ia32-libs-gtk is not available, but is referred to by another package. But apt-cache search gives nothing |
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15:17.02 | redrain | yumanda, So there is no way to install firefox on a 64 bit stable? |
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15:17.42 | redrain | debianix, You should ask to #mysql |
15:17.58 | debianix | they don't seem to be very helpful :P |
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15:18.54 | yumanda | redrain:i downloaded it from http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ia32-libs-gtk/ia32-libs-gtk_1.0_amd64.deb |
15:19.04 | redrain | debianix, Is it a sensitive server? Do you think reinstalling mysql? |
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15:19.29 | debianix | no, it is just my testmachine ... |
15:19.53 | debianix | there is nothing important on ... i am just trying a couple of things |
15:20.07 | rvsjoen | would it be possible to backup the databases on the filesystem and then reinstalling ? |
15:20.13 | h3sp4wn | redrain: ia32-libs-gtk is (was ?) only available in unstable |
15:21.43 | yumanda | redrain:why not use 64-bit iceweasel,it seems well in my machine |
15:21.43 | debianix | but reinstalling mysql still leaves the the system with an empty root account for some reason |
15:21.43 | redrain | debianix, Ok, I think reinstalling could solve your problem (with purge remove) |
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15:21.43 | rvsjoen | there's a thread here related to deleting the root account, maybe it helps http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/206610 |
15:21.43 | debianix | ahh yeah great idea :) |
15:21.43 | rbanffy | Hi. What is the current fashion when creating users without shell access? Set the shell to /bin/false? I think I read somewhere there was a "proper" way to do it... |
15:21.45 | h3sp4wn | redrain: You could either try a /msg dpkg simple sid backport - or search for the version that was in sid at the time of etch's release (from snapshot.debian.net) |
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15:21.45 | debianix | redrain: thx, i completely forgot purge :D |
15:21.46 | redrain | yumanda, I'm experiencing problem with Iceweasel. I don't know why, but it resets connection on https sites. And there are a few extensions doesn't work with Iceweasel |
15:22.04 | rvsjoen | the debian-sys-maint account can be used to restore the root account I believe |
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15:23.12 | cheshire314 | hi guys! my usb hds are not automounted in gnome since yesterday. i tried restarting a few things: udev, dbus, gnome-volume-manager. no success, however. i use sid. any ideas? (manual mounting does the work.) |
15:23.27 | rvsjoen | anything in the logs ? |
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15:24.06 | memzy | hey.. anyone got a clue beyond WTF? 192.168.0.4 the desktop can ping 192.168.0.3 the laptop.. but not the other way around, communications are one way (and the wrong way for my needs!!) |
15:24.06 | cheshire314 | rvsjoen: are you talking to me? |
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15:24.22 | rvsjoen | cheshire314: yes |
15:24.30 | cydork | cheshire314: checked bts for gnome-volume-manager? |
15:24.49 | redrain | yumanda, h3sp4wn, Thank you, installing ia32libs-gtk solved firefox's complains. It starts now but can't connect to net |
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15:25.21 | cheshire314 | rvsjoen: i think nothing relevant in syslog (sorry... what's bts?) |
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15:25.50 | cheshire314 | cydork: i think nothing relevant in syslog (sorry... what's bts?) |
15:25.54 | h3sp4wn | !btssmite cheshire314 |
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15:26.46 | debianix | reboot :D |
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15:27.09 | _slacker_ | someone know or use kwlan in etch? kwlan says "unable to release IP address", any idea? |
15:28.17 | cheshire314 | sorry guys... i am such a script-kiddie... :-( i'll have a look at bts |
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15:28.51 | cheshire314 | (try understand me, i run sid since a few days) |
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15:29.36 | fredericog | boa |
15:29.39 | _slacker_ | nobody uses kwlan? :s |
15:29.46 | stew | cheshire314: what does "uname -r" say? |
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15:30.07 | stew | _slacker_: popcon.debian.org should be able to tell you if anyone uses it |
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15:31.23 | cheshire314 | stew: 2.6.20-1-686 |
15:32.18 | _slacker_ | stew, i mean, here, right now... |
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15:33.06 | ma3x | wtf? E: Package wine has no installation candidate |
15:33.07 | ma3x | how come? |
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15:33.29 | spheard | what do I use to extract .bz2's on cli? |
15:33.38 | stew | ma3x: put the output of 'apt-cache policy' into a pastebin |
15:33.44 | rbanffy | spheard: bunzip2 |
15:33.52 | spheard | bingo |
15:33.53 | spheard | thanks |
15:34.05 | stew | spheard: is it a .tar.bz2? |
15:34.14 | spheard | stew, yes |
15:34.22 | stew | spheard: /msg dpkg tar |
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15:34.33 | rbanffy | spheard: tar jxvf something.tar.bz2 |
15:34.53 | ma3x | stew, http://pastebin.ca/489470 |
15:35.10 | spheard | rbanffy: :-) |
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15:36.03 | stew | ma3x: does 'aptitude update' return an error? becuase http://debian.ens-cachan.fr/dists/etch is 404 |
15:36.03 | cheshire314 | i'm afraid i can't find anything in bts |
15:36.10 | ma3x | stew, error-free |
15:36.31 | stew | ma3x: what/ |
15:36.33 | yopla | hello, |
15:36.35 | stew | ma3x: oh |
15:36.36 | ma3x | stew, http://pastebin.ca/489474 |
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15:37.27 | ma3x | stew, bad mirror? |
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15:37.43 | stew | ma3x: oh, wait, you are on amd64 aren't you? |
15:37.48 | ma3x | stew, yes!!! |
15:38.04 | stew | ma3x: we covered this already, haven't we? wine doesnt' exist for amd64 |
15:38.10 | stew | (in etch) |
15:38.12 | ma3x | god damn!!! |
15:38.24 | ma3x | we didn't cover it for wine, but I get the idea |
15:38.30 | yopla | [ETCH] I try to use lilo with a xen-amd64 image but lilo -v says : Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz-xen is too big |
15:38.36 | ma3x | when something won't work, check that your system is 64bit |
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15:42.48 | stew | ma3x: sorry, it was someone else i was thinking of then |
15:42.53 | yetifoot | i was wondering, if mp3 is a non-free format, and other distros don't allow it in their repos, how come debian packages in main like amarok can play them? |
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15:43.30 | stew | yetifoot: becuase the patent holders have been very clear that they are only interesting in protecting their patent for encoders, not decoders, which is why debian does not ship lame or liblame |
15:43.43 | yetifoot | ah, ok, i see |
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15:45.13 | yopla | debian-multimedia.org is a good source for non-GNU progs |
15:45.15 | ustunozgur | but why don't some other distros include decoding then? |
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15:45.29 | CVirus | What processor type shall I choose during configuring the kernel for an intel core duo ? |
15:45.42 | yetifoot | yeah, i wonder that, why other distros make people jump through hoops just to play mp3 |
15:45.56 | Trewas | I don't think they have explicitly said that they won't enforce patents for decoders, but debian does not have any money the patents holders could sue for... commercial distros have to be more careful |
15:45.56 | stew | yopla: debian.org is a good source for non-GNU programs as well |
15:46.09 | stew | ustunozgur: ask the other distros |
15:46.32 | ustunozgur | Trewas, probably. They could sue Novell or Canonical. |
15:46.44 | stew | Trewas: that is not the case. debian does have money that the patent holders could sue for. and it is definately the patent issues that keep lame out of debian |
15:46.58 | stew | ustunozgur: they could sue SPI, the holding company for debian's funds |
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15:47.48 | CharminTheMoose | "trying to force video codec driver family vfwex... Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)" I get this when I try to play a .mkv file and it plays for about 10 seconds and then exits gracefully, without an error message from the console,even though gmplayer says it's 2 mins 32 seconds long... |
15:47.53 | Trewas | well, that money is peanuts :) and really I think it's unlikely they would sue for distributing open source decoders, it is good for them if more people can play the formats and they can get license money from hardware players and encoders |
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15:48.41 | yopla | stew,Yes you're right |
15:49.03 | kth`` | CVirus, I'd go with Pentium-M |
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15:49.52 | CVirus | kth``: Thanks |
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15:49.53 | ustunozgur | AFAIK, the main reason they are not interested in decoders is that they are generic. The encoder companies basically do this: They get the patent. They wait for it to be popular. Time passes. Then they sue others. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6388273.stm |
15:49.53 | yopla | it wasn't what i've really meant |
15:50.11 | h3sp4wn | CVirus: I would go for - "Intel Core2 / newer Xeon" presuming you use the amd64 port |
15:50.12 | ustunozgur | I have read that Alcatel-Lucent is satisfied with that money and won't sue others anymore :D |
15:50.35 | yetifoot | i don't think mp3s even patented here |
15:50.41 | CVirus | h3sp4wn: it's not an amd64 |
15:51.01 | h3sp4wn | CVirus: ? |
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15:51.23 | kth`` | h3sp4wn, it's not a core2 |
15:51.34 | CVirus | yeah .. it's not |
15:52.03 | h3sp4wn | Ah, misread |
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15:54.08 | ma3x | stew, installed xmms in 32bit chroot, xmms running like a butterfly |
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15:54.15 | ma3x | only if a butterfly could run, heh |
15:54.23 | Nyle | butterflies don'trun |
15:54.26 | Nyle | ma3x_sucks.mp3 |
15:54.29 | Nyle | i mean.. |
15:54.30 | Nyle | ahem |
15:54.39 | ma3x | stoned stfu |
15:54.47 | Nyle | hey! |
15:54.48 | Nyle | be nice |
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15:55.27 | ma3x | I am nice, your music's terrible! |
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15:55.41 | Nyle | thanks |
15:55.52 | rahul | stoned. |
15:56.00 | rahul | I went to the hottest chicks in metal show |
15:56.07 | Nyle | rahul: ot |
15:56.10 | Nyle | msg me |
15:56.12 | rahul | and took the hottest chick in nyc metal :) |
15:56.23 | rahul | eh, I said what I needed to say ;) |
15:56.30 | rahul | the rest is visual :D |
15:56.43 | ustunozgur | rahul: are you a bot :) everytime I see you, you start with the same sentence. |
15:56.57 | Nyle | thats all he does |
15:57.01 | Nyle | drink and go to metal shows |
15:57.07 | rahul | heh |
15:57.07 | Nyle | there is more to life though |
15:57.17 | rahul | sure, like the chicks I went to the show with |
15:57.26 | stew | rahul: Nyle: take it elsewhere |
15:57.34 | Nyle | why are you telling me |
15:57.38 | Nyle | I told him it was ot and msg me |
15:57.40 | Nyle | wtf |
15:57.47 | stew | Nyle: and then you continued the conversation |
15:57.49 | Nyle | what more do you want from me? |
15:58.01 | rahul | I said I was done and someone else started asking me questions about it, heh |
15:58.13 | Nyle | rahul: then kindly stop going off with this shit in #debian |
15:58.15 | Nyle | thank you |
15:58.41 | ma3x | ustunozgur, haha these guys are terrible |
15:58.51 | stew | ma3x: drop it |
15:59.11 | ma3x | stew, drop what? |
15:59.31 | stew | ma3x: is "these guys are terrible" somehow related to debian? |
16:00.09 | ma3x | stew, ok |
16:00.59 | Nyle | I'm on the verge of using /ignore extensively |
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16:01.17 | Nyle | I'm stuck on windows again |
16:01.21 | Nyle | but thank god for xming |
16:01.39 | rahul | what ever happened to debian/win32? |
16:01.47 | rahul | that seemed like a really cool idea |
16:01.48 | Nyle | what do you mean? |
16:02.02 | Nyle | what idea? |
16:02.05 | rahul | debian on win32, duh :) |
16:02.16 | Nyle | yes, duh! but how? |
16:02.16 | rahul | using cygwin as a "kernel" |
16:02.19 | Nyle | virtual machine? |
16:02.19 | azeem | rahul: the people who tried weren't that accepted in the community and never gotten anywhere |
16:02.29 | Nyle | colinux isn't bad |
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16:02.34 | Nyle | its actually quite good |
16:02.45 | rahul | virtual machines are not what I want |
16:02.54 | rahul | I want actual unix commands inside of windows |
16:02.57 | Nyle | colinux isn't virtualization |
16:03.22 | Nyle | !colinux |
16:03.22 | dpkg | colinux is probably http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
16:03.41 | xingu | ever have one of those days where you sit down to write an application-level replication tool and wind up opening can after can of worms? |
16:03.45 | rahul | apps running colinux have access to the files and services on the windows side? |
16:03.55 | Nyle | no |
16:04.07 | Nyle | I don't think so, but its not hard to make it that way |
16:04.15 | rahul | xingu: you mean you're trying to do distributed programming? |
16:04.17 | Nyle | well, not full access |
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16:04.38 | rahul | Nyle: right, I want cygwin with a full repo of debian apps available |
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16:04.44 | xingu | rahul: nothing that tricky, just an N-way replicator to make sure that each node is presenting the same config |
16:04.54 | xingu | rahul: and same dataset |
16:04.54 | rahul | the "same" huh |
16:05.01 | Nyle | rahul: keep waiting or make it happen |
16:05.18 | rahul | Nyle: well, I don't know who was working on it or what the actual issues were |
16:05.26 | Nyle | you could find out |
16:05.42 | azeem | the issue was that it was based on a proprietary kernel |
16:05.47 | rahul | since the people seemed to be shunned from debian, that's not so easy |
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16:05.57 | azeem | and the rest of the Debian Developers didn't approve of this |
16:05.58 | rahul | azeem: cygwin.dll? |
16:05.58 | stew | there is http://lists.debian.org/debian-win32/ but it is a dead list |
16:06.13 | azeem | rahul: you run cygwin.dll from grub? |
16:06.24 | kth`` | grep -c "Invalid\|BREAK-IN" /var/log/auth.log |
16:06.24 | kth`` | 58 <- sshd running for less than 18 hours, dynamic ip, and I thought I was safe enough :( |
16:06.30 | gejr | what's wrong with using this command? "unrar x *.rar" ? I get failed. Do I have to create some kind of bash loop just to unwrap more than 1 rar file? |
16:06.36 | rahul | debian/win32 wouldn't need to install anything proprietary... |
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16:06.56 | rahul | debian/linux runs on proprietary cpus. I don't get the difference. |
16:06.58 | azeem | rahul: did I write "install"? |
16:07.02 | Nyle | unrar e |
16:07.03 | Nyle | not x |
16:07.04 | azeem | I think I wrote "based on" |
16:07.05 | jduggan_ | gejr: try unrar e *.rar |
16:07.05 | Nyle | rar x or unrar e |
16:07.15 | azeem | rahul: then think harder |
16:07.15 | azeem | *shrug* |
16:07.18 | Nyle | read the manpages |
16:07.19 | Nyle | ffs |
16:07.20 | gejr | jduggan_: same error |
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16:07.40 | gejr | Nyle: rar e or rar x is pretty much the same. |
16:07.51 | Nyle | while you were mixing the two |
16:08.00 | rahul | sigh. frigging ideologues. |
16:08.00 | Nyle | unrar x? I was trying to clarify |
16:08.07 | gejr | well..i use unrar x |
16:08.16 | Nyle | obviously you know more than wo do thats why you're asking for help here. |
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16:08.44 | gejr | No. I'm not saying I know much. But since you say "read manpages ffs" i get frustrated. |
16:08.57 | rahul | ... because you don't know how to read? |
16:08.57 | azeem | gejr: did you try rar x? |
16:09.04 | haxality | well, truthfully, gejr, that is why they exist |
16:09.07 | azeem | rahul: stop being personal, please |
16:09.08 | Nyle | azeem: he is trying to unrar *.rar |
16:09.12 | gejr | rahul: I've read the manpages. |
16:09.13 | Nyle | which I don't think is possible without a script |
16:09.20 | azeem | Nyle: so tell him that? |
16:09.21 | gejr | azeem: no haven't tried rar |
16:09.22 | rahul | gejr: it SAYS in the man page why you're doing this wrong |
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16:09.27 | rahul | gejr: RIGHT at the top |
16:09.33 | Nyle | gejr: I would, but he is arguing about the |
16:09.36 | Nyle | er.. |
16:09.38 | Nyle | azeem: ^^ |
16:09.41 | Nyle | wrong thing |
16:09.52 | azeem | 18:06 < Nyle> unrar e |
16:09.52 | azeem | 18:06 < Nyle> not x |
16:09.57 | azeem | so unrar e *.rar works? |
16:10.07 | Nyle | *.rar I don't think |
16:10.13 | azeem | Nyle: so d'oh? |
16:10.17 | gejr | rahul: in that case i can't see it. And there's no command "rar" on my system |
16:10.20 | gejr | only "unrar" |
16:10.22 | azeem | you gave him ill advise and then said "RTFM" |
16:10.22 | Nyle | azeem: you're confusing me |
16:10.27 | rahul | gejr: wtf are you blathering about? |
16:10.35 | rahul | gejr: read the man page for the command you ARE using |
16:11.02 | rahul | stop trying to learn about things you aren't doing and learn about what you are using |
16:11.05 | Nyle | azeem: he is using unrar with the x switch which is wrong. I said either use unrar e or rar x to extract. how is this ill advise. |
16:11.05 | moth | for f in *.rar; do unrar e "$f"; done #this should work if you want to unrar a bunch of archives |
16:11.07 | gejr | rahul: I am currently reading "man unrar" and I can't see anything about how to open more than one rar file in one command. |
16:11.19 | rahul | gejr: so what does that indicate to you? |
16:11.29 | azeem | gejr: 18:08 < Nyle> which I don't think is possible without a script |
16:11.37 | rahul | gejr: it's explicit in the synopsis. |
16:11.44 | Nyle | in context to opening *.rar not how to unrar |
16:11.59 | gejr | well.. ok that's what i needed to know |
16:11.59 | azeem | which is the main point here |
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16:12.23 | Nyle | the point is firstly this |
16:12.33 | Nyle | no matter what he is trying to extract, he will not get it done with unrar x |
16:12.34 | azeem | gejr: how many .rar files are there? |
16:12.40 | rahul | gejr: right, and it would have been clear if you had read the man page... so don't get frustrated just because you're asking an obvious question |
16:12.40 | jharrisonwk | suck |
16:14.14 | gejr | azeem: there's only 10 rar files in this case. |
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16:14.22 | rahul | how good are the motorola phone tools equivalents in debian? |
16:14.31 | azeem | gejr: so make a simple bash loop, as you initially suggested |
16:14.41 | Eclipser | what motorola phone tools equivalents? |
16:15.03 | rahul | are the only issues with locked phones preventing multimedia transfers? mine is unlocked so I should be able to get my pics off the phone if I buy one of those cables, right? |
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16:15.20 | Nyle | azeem: which is also what I told him. I told him to use the proper command for extracting, then said you can't do it without a script (multiple files). How I'm giving ill advise, I'll never understand. |
16:15.22 | rahul | Eclipser: whatever lets you xfer data with the phone |
16:15.24 | gejr | azeem: well..could you help me correct this then? for i in *.rar; do unrar $f*.rar ; done; |
16:15.29 | gejr | azeem: it doesn't work :) |
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16:15.33 | rahul | gejr: $f*? |
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16:15.39 | h3sp4wn | gejr: find -name '*.rar' -exec unrar e {} + |
16:15.54 | xingu | who wants to be that it's actually a multipart rar |
16:16.11 | Nyle | for a multipart rar you need only extract the first rar |
16:16.15 | Nyle | it will take care of the rest |
16:16.29 | gejr | didn't work h3sp4wn :) |
16:16.39 | moth | "for i in *.rar; do unrar $f*.rar ; done;" is broken two ways -- i is not f and i is not f* |
16:16.52 | gejr | it just tries the last rar file and says "No files to extract" |
16:16.54 | rahul | and not .rar.rar either |
16:16.57 | moth | Also, if any file names have spaces in them, you need quotes around their variables |
16:17.08 | moth | Try, instead: for i in *.rar; do unrar $i.rar ; done; |
16:17.21 | gejr | moth: ye..i tried that:) |
16:17.21 | moth | Or: for i in *.rar; do unrar "$i.rar" ; done |
16:17.25 | gejr | moth: spelling error |
16:17.25 | aadil | $i |
16:17.29 | rahul | heh |
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16:17.39 | moth | oops, and another problem -- no unrar command, so that makes it: |
16:17.40 | gejr | moth: but wouldn't $i.rar just try 1.rar, 2.rar etc ? |
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16:17.46 | moth | <PROTECTED> |
16:18.22 | rahul | gejr: if $i is 1.rar, what is $i.rar? |
16:18.25 | abrotman | 1.rar.rar |
16:18.31 | rahul | bah |
16:18.34 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
16:18.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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16:18.35 | moth | If you have archives named 1.rar, 2.rar, etc. sure -- it's going to use whatever file names match the orignal pattern: *.rar |
16:18.46 | moth | oops, you are right |
16:18.51 | abrotman | rahul: you could use awk to cut it up i suppose :) |
16:18.52 | moth | <PROTECTED> |
16:18.53 | xingu | r.rar.me.r.ties |
16:18.55 | gejr | whoo |
16:18.55 | xingu | tlapd? |
16:18.55 | rahul | abrotman: haha |
16:19.06 | xingu | abrotman: basename |
16:19.10 | gejr | for i in *.rar; do unrar e $i; done; worked! :) |
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16:19.16 | abrotman | xingu: or that |
16:19.17 | rahul | abrotman: this reminds me of people asking for help with scheme homework and people using the Y combinator in their solutions |
16:19.21 | gejr | turns out $i was the whole filename |
16:19.27 | xingu | well fancy |
16:19.27 | rahul | how surprising |
16:19.44 | rahul | if you ask for *.rar, it gives you each .rar file. |
16:19.45 | abrotman | rahul: can't they just rob a bank like all the other schemers ? |
16:19.51 | rahul | heh |
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16:20.07 | abrotman | mmm .. last day off |
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16:20.16 | gejr | Sorry for having insulted you all with my newbie questions. And thanks to those who helped me. |
16:20.51 | Nyle | you can't expect to get a good answer if you don't ask the right questions ;) |
16:21.25 | gejr | You're absolutely correct about that one. But haven't you ever been at the point where the thing you're about to do is so hard to explain that you kinda need help to express it? |
16:21.37 | Nyle | gejr: yes I have |
16:21.39 | Nyle | many times |
16:21.42 | gejr | To you this might've seem trivial, but to me it was complicated. |
16:21.50 | Nyle | I completely understand |
16:21.59 | gejr | I really don't want to sound like an ass here. I honestly appreciate the help I've been given. |
16:22.02 | rahul | well, if you read the man page, you'd know that you could only do one, so you could ask how to loop to get each one in turn |
16:22.24 | Nyle | I merely just read the man page, I think the 'ffs' might have ticked you off |
16:22.33 | rahul | "archive" is not "archives..." |
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16:22.41 | gejr | Nyle: indeed.. :) |
16:22.45 | vdv | hi all |
16:22.55 | Nyle | but immagine the frustrations of volunteer helpers. We contribute our time and help those who can't bother to read.. it kinda makes us mad sometimes |
16:22.58 | Nyle | you know |
16:23.05 | Nyle | anyway.... ding dong! |
16:23.17 | vdv | what's the best nntp client for linux? |
16:23.24 | Nyle | hmm |
16:23.25 | rahul | vdv: gnus |
16:23.29 | abrotman | he could have used xargs too |
16:23.31 | Nyle | iceape? |
16:23.31 | vdv | now using knode, but have to make hack to work with ssl'ed newsgroups |
16:23.32 | cahoot | vdv: slrn of course |
16:23.33 | Nyle | is that the one |
16:23.42 | rahul | assgrape |
16:23.45 | gejr | isn't Pan a popular nntp client? |
16:23.51 | aadil | u n00bs |
16:23.52 | vdv | i want a graphical one |
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16:23.58 | Nyle | !iceape |
16:23.58 | dpkg | iceape is probably The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
16:24.00 | rahul | gnus is graphical |
16:24.01 | aadil | damn |
16:24.04 | aadil | wrong window |
16:24.05 | aadil | :) |
16:24.11 | rahul | pan is buggy as hell, last I used it |
16:24.13 | cahoot | text is graphics |
16:24.15 | Nyle | okkkay |
16:24.15 | aadil | sowwy |
16:24.24 | lord_rob | Hi ! Do I need to install a specific package to enable http printing with cups ? |
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16:24.36 | rahul | text you can click on and images on the screen is gui to me |
16:24.37 | Nyle | cupsys and cupsys-bsd |
16:24.40 | flowerleaf | The Debian Web site is in Swedish for me, and even when I have selected English, the next link I follow shows a page in Swedish again... Very, very annoying... just like Google.com and PHP.net. |
16:24.46 | DDubya | how do I test a certain email address against spamassassin? |
16:24.54 | rahul | flowerleaf: your browser is configured to prefer sweedish |
16:25.17 | DDubya | I should say.. How do I test spamassassin against a certain DOMAIN |
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16:25.25 | rahul | forge a mail from it? |
16:25.32 | stew | flowerleaf: what does "echo $LANG" say? |
16:25.36 | DDubya | <thats what i need help with> |
16:25.39 | DDubya | =) |
16:25.51 | rahul | just put whatever you want in the from header |
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16:26.12 | DDubya | if its coming from internal, will it be processed accordingly? |
16:26.15 | Nyle | idiocracy |
16:26.15 | wols | flowerleaf: what browser? ffox has a setting wich language you prefer |
16:26.28 | rahul | DDubya: should be |
16:26.31 | Nyle | my preffered language is utf8 |
16:26.32 | Nyle | :D |
16:26.42 | Nyle | it is not an encoding |
16:26.46 | Nyle | it is a language. period. |
16:26.59 | rahul | a language no one speaks correctly :P |
16:27.03 | Nyle | hehe |
16:27.07 | DDubya | rahul: Thanks! |
16:27.43 | lord_rob | Nyle: I mean printing to a router that supports http printing (I don't have the option anymore when I configure my printer in cups web interface :/) |
16:28.01 | flowerleaf | Indeed my browser was sending Swedish preference headers. Hrm. |
16:28.16 | flowerleaf | Would it be easy for a FreeBSD user to switch to Debian? |
16:28.17 | xingu | b0rkb0rkb0rken |
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16:28.29 | Nyle | huh |
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16:28.53 | lord_rob | flowerleaf: debian has a bsd port |
16:29.07 | Nyle | wait |
16:29.08 | Nyle | what? |
16:29.10 | flowerleaf | A what? |
16:29.14 | Nyle | that doesn't make any sense |
16:29.18 | Nyle | bsd is not hardware |
16:29.24 | Nyle | debian is linux |
16:29.34 | abrotman | !debian bsd |
16:29.34 | dpkg | i heard debian bsd is a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd |
16:29.37 | runev | Does anyone have any creative ideas to why sound is working perfect on my laptop, but only through the built-in speakers, since when i plug in a headphone-jack, music still keeps playing through the speakers and not my headphones. Sort of stuck at this one :) |
16:29.44 | flowerleaf | Really strange. |
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16:29.51 | schme | debian is linux!? |
16:29.52 | Nyle | oh thats a different story |
16:29.57 | Nyle | debian is |
16:30.01 | Nyle | unless you use gnu/hurd |
16:30.02 | schme | Debian GNU/Linux, sure. |
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16:30.11 | _slacker_ | someone know a cool tool to manage wireless auth with WPA? |
16:30.16 | abrotman | schme: not really .. debian can run on linux/bsd/hurd kernels .. maybe a few others |
16:30.22 | moth | Damaged jack in your laptop? |
16:30.24 | schme | abrotman: That is what I am saying. |
16:30.29 | runev | _slacker_: iwconfig |
16:30.34 | kth`` | runev, you have HP's dv***** laptop with hd-audio by chance? |
16:30.40 | schme | abrotman: You are confusing me with someone who thinks Debian is linux. |
16:30.45 | runev | kth``: dv2222ea, yeah. |
16:30.53 | _slacker_ | runev, a GUI one? |
16:30.57 | flowerleaf | Do Debian "packages"/"ports" come "clean"? The FreeBSD port of Apache 2.2 is full with strange modules and SSL and crap by default. |
16:31.01 | abrotman | schme: why would you think that? :) |
16:31.15 | kth`` | runev, I've had that with stable alsa, try getting newer alsa drivers |
16:31.25 | abrotman | flowerleaf: it has some modules included .. others are separated out |
16:31.37 | stew | flowerleaf: "clean" doesn't really make sense for debian packages. you can remove the package, or purge the package, remving leaves configuration behind, purge does not |
16:31.37 | kth`` | runev, might work, this is a dv6160ea I've been tickling with |
16:31.40 | flowerleaf | abrotman: Why must all these "packages" come bloated? :/ |
16:31.43 | runev | _slacker_: try something like swscanner, kwifi-manager |
16:31.44 | xingu | what this script needs is beer |
16:31.48 | schme | abrotman: because you said "not really.. yadda yadda". |
16:31.50 | stew | flowerleaf: which package is bloated? |
16:31.59 | abrotman | schme: note the smiley :) |
16:31.59 | xingu | it won't make the snafu's go away, but it'll makes me stress a whole lot less about fixing them |
16:32.04 | flowerleaf | stew: Many FreeBSD ports, at least. Can't really speak for Debian. |
16:32.05 | Nyle | snarf |
16:32.06 | runev | kth``: i'll give it a shot :) |
16:32.16 | flowerleaf | Last time I tested Debian it has no package/port for PHP 5. |
16:32.21 | flowerleaf | s/has/had/ |
16:32.28 | abrotman | flowerleaf: they're commonly used modules .. i guess it's for simplicity .. but they aren't loaded unless you intentionally load them |
16:32.36 | stew | flowerleaf: freebsd ports are off-topic here. debian now contains php5 |
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16:32.45 | schme | flowerleaf: the linux debian has a php5 package. |
16:32.46 | flowerleaf | Well... isn't that pretty... late? |
16:32.53 | xingu | complaining about bloat, complaining about lack of php5, make up your mind |
16:33.03 | schme | stew: We were talking debian kfreebsd :) |
16:33.04 | azeem | [2006-01-18] Accepted 5.1.2-1 in unstable (low) |
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16:33.22 | azeem | flowerleaf: 2006-01-18 is over a year ago |
16:33.22 | flowerleaf | PHP 5 is stable and has been for a long time. |
16:33.27 | flowerleaf | Hmm. |
16:33.36 | stew | schme: php5 is in debian kfreebsd as well, afaik |
16:33.43 | schme | stew: Excellent. |
16:33.57 | flowerleaf | Well... I'll have to think this through. |
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16:33.59 | abrotman | flowerleaf: at the time when sarge was released .. even the PHP folks weren't recommending PHP5 for production |
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16:34.13 | schme | flowerleaf: Just because something becomes stable it is not put into the stable distribution of debian. Stable debian is called stable because of the fact that it does not change. |
16:34.46 | schme | abrotman: Huh? |
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16:34.53 | abrotman | schme: he quit :) |
16:34.55 | xingu | hmm, these fontconfig hints make a surprising difference |
16:34.55 | schme | Oh. |
16:35.03 | schme | abrotman: Thanks for the pie. It was awesome. |
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16:38.04 | stew | abrotman: i'll go for a long run later, can't bike today, did 29 miles in the paceline yesterday |
16:38.12 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
16:38.33 | abrotman | i'm supposed to meet a co-worker around 4pm or so .. and then i might meet someone else for a second ride :) |
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16:39.18 | stew | abrotman: looks like a lighthouse knuckleballer night |
16:39.18 | Pollywog | anyone know why checkinstall still does not work in Etch? |
16:39.27 | Nyle | *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS CLIENTCRAP | **: ALL -pattern abrotman | abrotman: ALL | *:ACTIONS -regexp -pattern (playing|away|back|returned|jamming|mp3) <-- this is my ignore list |
16:39.32 | Nyle | keeps a very very clean irssi for me |
16:39.36 | stew | Pollywog: it was removed from etch, i'm not sure why, possibly becuase of RC bugs |
16:39.41 | Nyle | ignore actions and joins parts quits etc |
16:39.41 | Pollywog | oic |
16:39.48 | Nyle | mp3 ads away back return blah blah |
16:39.57 | Pollywog | stew: ty |
16:40.04 | Pollywog | is there an alternative? |
16:40.09 | stew | Pollywog: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
16:40.18 | Pollywog | thanks |
16:40.22 | abrotman | stew: sounds like a good time for you! |
16:40.30 | Nyle | schme: which irc client do you use? |
16:40.36 | schme | Nyle: I use ERC. |
16:40.41 | Nyle | never heard of it |
16:40.51 | abrotman | Pollywog: stow |
16:41.03 | Nyle | an IRC client for Emacs and XEmacs |
16:41.04 | Nyle | ahh |
16:41.13 | schme | That would be the one, yes. |
16:41.19 | Pollywog | stow is a package name? |
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16:41.37 | wols | Pollywog: a command too |
16:41.46 | Pollywog | oic I did not know that one |
16:41.50 | abrotman | !stow |
16:41.50 | dpkg | it has been said that stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
16:41.52 | schme | I was using irssi in the before time... Then leaving elisp world started getting annoying and confusing :) |
16:42.03 | Nyle | I love irssi |
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16:42.17 | Nyle | and if i may say so.. to some extent, even mirc |
16:42.22 | schme | Oh it is a great client, for sure. It is just not elisp. |
16:42.23 | Nyle | yeh yes, i know.. but mirc is solid |
16:42.25 | wols | schme: emacs damaged your brain :P |
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16:42.35 | AndyCR | hi |
16:42.35 | schme | wols: YeS |
16:42.39 | Nyle | wols: brainwashed |
16:42.40 | Nyle | :) |
16:42.46 | Pollywog | oh wait I think I used stow before I started using checkinstall, long ago |
16:42.48 | wols | Nyle: irssi has a downside. it uses prel for scripting |
16:42.55 | rahul | mirc is solid crap |
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16:42.57 | Nyle | whats wrong with perl? |
16:42.59 | schme | It took some work to get hooked.. but now I'm proper hooked. |
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16:43.06 | rahul | haha |
16:43.09 | Nyle | perl is da bomb diggity |
16:43.10 | rahul | what isn't wrong with perl? |
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16:43.21 | rahul | (there are about 5 valid answers to that question) |
16:43.23 | wols | rahul: it's not php. that a BIG plus |
16:43.26 | rahul | heh |
16:43.31 | Octopssy | How would installing vista as dual boot on my system best go? |
16:43.35 | Octopssy | Just making new fs |
16:43.39 | Octopssy | adding to grub loader |
16:43.40 | abrotman | would any smart person use mirc? :) |
16:43.42 | Octopssy | etc?? |
16:43.43 | azeem | Octopssy: install vista first |
16:43.44 | rahul | yes, that just about sums up all 5 things that are right about perl |
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16:43.58 | Octopssy | azeem: I already got a steady configged install of debian |
16:43.58 | Nyle | close minded freaks |
16:44.00 | rahul | abrotman: I use it on windows out of laziness |
16:44.05 | wols | Octopssy: yes. chainlaoding. but usually WIndows tends to overwrite the MBR |
16:44.12 | azeem | Octopssy: then get prepared to reinstall grub afterwards |
16:44.13 | AndyCR | im using ubuntu (don't worry, this isn't an ubuntu support request) and apparently they have some kind of lump package, of which ipw3945d is a part. there seems to be a bug with either it or the free software side of the driver (which I think they lump into the kernel itself) which makes it disconnect often. if i switched to debian, would there be a chance it would be fixed? |
16:44.23 | Octopssy | ok |
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16:44.37 | rahul | AndyCR: sure, there's a chance. |
16:44.38 | abrotman | rahul: win32 xchat ? |
16:44.38 | azeem | AndyCR: what do you mean with lump package? |
16:44.39 | wols | AndyCR: there always is a chance |
16:44.41 | Octopssy | so what should i only do, download a new grub version? |
16:44.42 | moth | More things will be not wrong with perl with perl6. Unfortunately, I doubt that happens this decade. |
16:44.47 | Octopssy | burn it |
16:44.50 | Octopssy | and install vista |
16:44.50 | rahul | abrotman: xchat isn't much better, from when I've used it at work |
16:44.57 | AndyCR | azeem: it seems they just throw the driver in with a bunch of other binary drivers |
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16:45.02 | AndyCR | i could be wrong |
16:45.04 | azeem | AndyCR: I see |
16:45.05 | wols | Octopssy: no need to get anything new. if you install vista after grub, you n eed to reinsall grub tho |
16:45.07 | Nyle | i should download vista and give it a shot |
16:45.08 | rahul | moth: and more things will be wrong with perl in perl6, too |
16:45.09 | abrotman | rahul: it's OT here too! |
16:45.11 | AndyCR | but there doesn't seem to be a ipw3945d package |
16:45.12 | rahul | moth: so eh. |
16:45.14 | Nyle | but lots of my friends have told me its worse than ME |
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16:45.20 | AndyCR | it seems to only exist in linux-restricted-modules |
16:45.21 | moth | Oh? |
16:45.21 | Nyle | and I've used ME and god it was a pain |
16:45.26 | rahul | abrotman: well, I used it on linux, so there |
16:45.34 | wols | Nyle: it is win ME II |
16:45.35 | azeem | AndyCR: well, no idea whether that bug would be gone or not |
16:45.47 | Nyle | but yeh, install it first and then debian |
16:45.57 | AndyCR | well, at the very least i guess i would get better support |
16:45.57 | Nyle | in fact there are a lot of good articles and tutorials on google if you search |
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16:46.03 | Nyle | for dualbooting vista and linux/debian |
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16:46.13 | AndyCR | no offense to them, but i never seem to get my questions answered as well as i do here |
16:46.36 | Octopssy | wols: I will. But I mean: Do I need to burn a new version of grub? |
16:46.37 | AndyCR | thats worth switching alone, imo |
16:46.38 | rahul | ipw3945d - Binary userspace regulatory daemon for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG cards |
16:46.38 | abrotman | rahul: i meant win32 IRC clients is OT :) |
16:46.47 | wols | Octopssy: no |
16:46.48 | Nyle | well, ubuntu is a noob distro and #ubuntu is full of noobs and hardly any pros. |
16:46.49 | rahul | what are you talking about, there's no pakcages? |
16:46.50 | AndyCR | rahul: yep, that's the one |
16:46.53 | rahul | ipw3945-source - Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver |
16:46.55 | AndyCR | Nyle: yeah, that |
16:47.00 | AndyCR | *'s what I've found out / |
16:47.04 | Nyle | its not bad about ubuntu, just the general population that uses it |
16:47.08 | AndyCR | yeah |
16:47.13 | Octopssy | w |
16:47.14 | Nyle | debian is like a power users distro, if you will |
16:47.15 | rahul | abrotman: I could have been running mirc in wine :P |
16:47.17 | Octopssy | wols: what u mean no ? |
16:47.27 | abrotman | rahul: still OT? |
16:47.30 | wols | Catoptromancy: why woukld you need to burn grub? |
16:47.41 | rahul | debian is a general purpose distro |
16:47.53 | rahul | it's not really targeted to power users at all |
16:47.54 | AndyCR | whats tragic is i might have to switch back to vista for a few hours to get a successful download of debian :/ |
16:48.01 | schme | Debian - not just for professionals. |
16:48.04 | AndyCR | considering the disconnects |
16:48.10 | rahul | if it were, it wouldn't do half the stuff it does |
16:48.16 | Nyle | yeh |
16:48.20 | Nyle | split all the cunt hairs you want |
16:48.29 | Nyle | point being, #debian is much better support than #ubuntu |
16:48.33 | AndyCR | yeah |
16:48.33 | moth | I have a friend who uses debian on a system he administers remotely (he travels a lot), and he's seriously considering dropping it because installing stable keeps burning him (over the last however many years) |
16:48.34 | AndyCR | far better |
16:48.37 | rahul | she's not here. can't split her cunt hairs. |
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16:48.46 | schme | I'd say you could use any distro for whatever you want. |
16:48.50 | wols | moth: burning him? |
16:48.52 | AndyCR | i go in there, ask a question, and there is about a 1% chance ill get it answered |
16:48.56 | AndyCR | :/ |
16:48.58 | Nyle | hah, burn grub? |
16:48.59 | AndyCR | no offense to them but |
16:49.01 | Nyle | thats a first for me |
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16:49.09 | AndyCR | the forums are better but |
16:49.10 | moth | for example, his nntp software gets broken |
16:49.11 | AndyCR | ok thanks |
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16:49.17 | AndyCR | ill try that i think |
16:49.20 | wols | Nyle: you could burn it on a bootable CD (the grub floppy) |
16:49.22 | AndyCR | how many of the debian cds do i need? |
16:49.27 | AndyCR | to get a gnome system working? |
16:49.28 | moth | I can look up more specifics if it matters... |
16:49.32 | azeem | AndyCR: the first |
16:49.33 | wols | hwo has floppis in this day and age anyways |
16:49.34 | rahul | AndyCR: anywhere from 0 to 25 |
16:49.35 | Nyle | AndyCR: #1 |
16:49.38 | AndyCR | ah thanks |
16:49.49 | Nyle | wols: well yeah |
16:49.53 | wols | AndyCR: only the first. netinstall preferably (150MB) |
16:50.05 | Nyle | wols: but i meant like no one in my presense has ever asked me that |
16:50.15 | Nyle | -me |
16:50.20 | kth`` | Why does Xen recommend libc6-xen library when installing the hypervisor with "...selected instead when running under Xen." in description? Isn't it supposed to be installed on the DomU's? Or the hypervisor needs that too? |
16:50.29 | AndyCR | wols: i doubt i can do netinstall, my interface requires a binary blob :/ |
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16:50.41 | wols | AndyCR: sucks to be you :( |
16:50.56 | AndyCR | or i could drag the 8 pound machine downstairs and try to find a table close enough to the router |
16:51.00 | azeem | kth``: it's an optimization I think |
16:51.00 | AndyCR | either way its unpleasant :/ |
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16:51.20 | amphi | AndyCR: yeah, ~4kg is really jeavy |
16:51.24 | azeem | AndyCR: you'll need to download stuff from non-free for ipw3945 |
16:51.24 | AndyCR | yeah |
16:51.24 | amphi | *heavy |
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16:51.37 | azeem | AndyCR: which is not on the CDs, so you won't be able to WLAn straight away |
16:51.43 | AndyCR | its basically an 8 pound lunch tray that runs linux :P |
16:52.01 | AndyCR | size wise |
16:52.04 | AndyCR | ah |
16:52.14 | AndyCR | is there a chance of "injecting it" from a usb key? |
16:52.34 | AndyCR | ie download the debs to usb key, use the cd, install them while its running and use it that way? |
16:52.40 | wols | AndyCR: yes. |
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16:53.00 | AndyCR | ah, any idea how i would do that? just install the normal way and it will know what to do? |
16:53.04 | wols | AndyCR: download wireless-tools, the drivers and the firmware |
16:53.06 | abrotman | AndyCR: you know .. some people would really be excited if their lunch tray ran linux |
16:53.19 | wols | then install debian normally (base install only) |
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16:53.49 | AndyCR | abrotman: yeah, that would be nice. just don't put microsoft's clippy on it. "I see you are trying to eat an orange. Would you like me to: Give you advice on how to peel it. Show you prices on good knives. Go away?" |
16:53.52 | wols | after that mount the usb stick and install stuff frm it via dpkg -i |
16:54.14 | wols | you can't use netinstall since you need gcc it seems :( |
16:54.21 | AndyCR | ah |
16:54.36 | wols | if ipw3945 is only available as source |
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16:54.58 | rahul | it's precompiled for the stock kernels of course |
16:55.18 | wols | ok, then you have a chnwce with netinstall |
16:55.24 | abrotman | it is ? |
16:55.29 | rahul | except that it needs non-free kernels |
16:55.33 | rahul | erm firmware |
16:55.38 | AndyCR | ah |
16:55.40 | rahul | 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch1(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) |
16:55.43 | AndyCR | by the way |
16:55.43 | wols | that he needs any ways |
16:55.48 | rahul | therefire, it's in contrib |
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16:55.55 | AndyCR | ah thanks! |
16:55.56 | abrotman | oh .. so he can just get the ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-486 .. etc .. and then the firmware |
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16:56.03 | rahul | yes |
16:56.12 | rahul | ipw3945d - Binary userspace regulatory daemon for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG cards |
16:56.14 | abrotman | thought it was still source |
16:56.15 | tech13 | my ssh takes a ~15 seconds to connect to a machine on the same lan, but only 3 seconds to connect to a machine over the internet. the client is on debian 3.1. the "slow" server is debian 4.0. the 'fast' server is debian 3.1 |
16:56.18 | AndyCR | any chance ill have a better chance of getting suspend to work? it wouldnt work right on ubuntu, whether i used the default, or s2ram |
16:56.20 | rahul | dunno if you need that one to set it up |
16:56.22 | aje | hello. where do i find the ftpboot.img for the latest debian version for SGI/mips? |
16:56.27 | abrotman | tech13: RDNS possible ? |
16:56.29 | abrotman | possibly |
16:56.30 | aje | i can't find it on the ftp server. |
16:56.35 | rahul | AndyCR: chances are it won't work on any distro |
16:56.36 | bohsain | is there any applications similar to yahoo widgets or google desktop? |
16:56.45 | abrotman | bohsain: gdesklets |
16:56.46 | rahul | AndyCR: since it's something that your drivers need to do, not the distro |
16:56.52 | AndyCR | ah, darn |
16:56.56 | abrotman | bohsain: and for google desktop .. beagle |
16:57.10 | AndyCR | i think s2disk can be done in software though, that might work |
16:57.13 | wols | bohsain: superkaramba, gdesklets |
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16:57.24 | AndyCR | saving ram to disk then shutting down shouldnt be driver-dependant i dont think |
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16:57.31 | tech13 | abrotman, how do I disable RDNS? (no need for reverse lookup for 192.168.x.x) |
16:57.39 | wols | AndyCR: there are two ways for this |
16:57.40 | xbaez | hello what is the better source repository for debian |
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16:57.45 | bohsain | abrotman, wols thanx |
16:57.50 | wols | suspend2 and that other userspace only thing with the crappy name |
16:57.58 | aje | anyone? |
16:58.03 | wols | usw-balh |
16:58.18 | AndyCR | ah |
16:58.35 | AndyCR | suspend to disk is fine, as long as i dont have to shutdown every time i want to save battery power im happy :) |
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16:58.46 | azeem | aje: you could ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org maybe |
16:58.52 | wols | suspend2 needs a kernel patch. so not for you |
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16:59.00 | Pollywog | no available versions of package libc6-dev can satisfy version requirements |
16:59.02 | abrotman | tech13: man sshd_config .. look for UseDNS .. i think |
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16:59.34 | Pollywog | I can't use sid sources to build checkinstall on Etch because: |
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16:59.49 | Pollywog | no available versions of package libc6-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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17:00.12 | Pollywog | upgrading libc6 is always risky |
17:00.16 | nite613_ | Anyone know the name of a package that is an HTTP proxy useful for cgi/php/forms debugging? |
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17:00.59 | tech13 | abrotman, thank you! |
17:01.03 | AndyCR | downloading now, thanks |
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17:01.14 | AndyCR | darn isp throttles bittorrent so itll take awhile :/ |
17:01.39 | AndyCR | but using bittorrent should work, since it can resume a download risk-free |
17:02.01 | AndyCR | thanks again guys |
17:02.24 | kevinl-- | question: can anyone think of a reason that a local machine on a LAN would say "RPC timeout" when you try to mount an NFS on another local machine, but the server machine says that it authenticated the mount request in daemon.log ? |
17:02.32 | AndyCR | so if im just using a networkless gnome desktop install of debian i only need dv d1? |
17:02.32 | AndyCR | *dvd 1 |
17:02.54 | abrotman | tech13: all better ? |
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17:05.44 | runev | Any ideas why "hwclock --systohc" after a ntpdate update, just gives "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out"? Read it might be a kernel issue, but hoped someone could enlighten me a bit more before i digg into a kernel upgrade (running 2.6.18 atm, etch default). |
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17:06.47 | Pollywog | I succeeded in installing checkinstall from deb src (sid) |
17:06.50 | Pollywog | and it works |
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17:07.44 | Pollywog | thank you ppl |
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17:08.01 | tech13 | abrotman, sorry, got distracted with some phone calls... |
17:08.24 | abrotman | so it's all good ? |
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17:08.51 | tech13 | abrotman, yes, much better. no delay at all now. |
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17:08.56 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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17:09.15 | doudou | cydork, if i want to make my own iso, i must install grub for example into the iso file? |
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17:10.42 | ianm_ | hmm after some apt-getting it seems php4 with apache2 issn't working (the webserver is sending the php file raw) |
17:11.03 | kevinl-- | <PROTECTED> |
17:11.06 | abrotman | is the module enabled? |
17:11.09 | ianm_ | the module is enabled |
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17:11.15 | abrotman | and did you clear your browser cache and restart your browser ? |
17:11.39 | ianm_ | no, I'll try that |
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17:12.26 | xand | bang |
17:12.26 | ianm_ | abrotman: good call. |
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17:12.52 | ianm_ | abrotman: it seems that the module was disabled (not sure why), but after enabling it, it was just a browser cache issue |
17:12.56 | luke-jr_work | what is the correct way to load a set of iptables rules on boot? |
17:13.03 | abrotman | ianm_: yay! |
17:13.12 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. start reading |
17:13.15 | ianm_ | abrotman: thanks |
17:13.44 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: on most OS I can just do /etc/init.d/iptables save |
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17:14.12 | abrotman | bah .. they removed the readme |
17:14.17 | lord_rob | Hi ! Do I need to install a specific package to enable http printing with cups ? |
17:14.23 | lord_rob | erm sorry |
17:14.33 | lord_rob | I should have typed that |
17:14.39 | lord_rob | shouldn't |
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17:14.56 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: you can write your own init script |
17:15.47 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: I shouldn't need to |
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17:15.57 | luke-jr_work | why does it have to be so complex to do such a simple thing? |
17:16.03 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: argue with the package maintainer i suppose |
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17:17.43 | giggsey | I have PHP Version 5.2.0-8+etch3, how do I upgrade it? |
17:17.59 | chops | giggsey: What do you want to upgrade it to? |
17:18.11 | giggsey | Latest version |
17:18.23 | chops | giggsey: What version of Debian are you running? |
17:18.27 | giggsey | etch |
17:18.41 | chops | giggsey: Do you want the latest etch version (which I believe you have), or the latest version period? |
17:18.44 | wols | !backports |
17:18.44 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
17:19.00 | chops | giggsey: What he said |
17:19.21 | giggsey | Okay |
17:19.22 | giggsey | Thanks |
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17:19.59 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: it seems most attempts to have the maintainer include a sample script have failed |
17:20.02 | ianm_ | any idea why apt-get suggested I remove my active kernel (2.6.8-2-k7) ? |
17:20.14 | abrotman | ianm_: dist-upgrading to etch ? |
17:20.23 | ianm_ | abrotman: far from it, apt-getting php4-cli |
17:20.39 | abrotman | ianm_: do your sources point at sarge or oldstable or stable ? |
17:20.48 | rares000 | my server got moved to another IP how do I update everything? |
17:21.08 | chops | ianm_: Because it's been replaced with a more secure kernel, 2.6.8-3-k7? |
17:21.10 | luke-jr_work | abrotman: no need for it to be a sample :p |
17:21.15 | DustyDingo | is there a way to copy any file to the clipboard in X? |
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17:21.34 | DustyDingo | when i want for e.g. copy a long text into a webbrowser,... |
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17:21.39 | stew | rares000: edit /etc/network/interfaces ; /etc/hosts ; and anything that might have been binding to a specific ip (perhaps apache? do you use ip or name based virtual hosts?) |
17:21.40 | abrotman | luke-jr_work: you can file a bug .. but i would imagine it would have the same end result |
17:21.54 | Vladi | hi, what are the advantages/dissadvantages of not using any modules in a kernel and possibly being a little larger? |
17:22.15 | chops | Vladi: Disadvantages: pain in the ass, advantages: it's a learning adventure |
17:22.25 | ianm_ | abrotman: stable (deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib) |
17:22.26 | DustyDingo | no solution to this problem? |
17:22.35 | DustyDingo | there must be,... |
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17:22.53 | abrotman | ianm_: your sources are pointing at etch .. not sarge (which is where your kernel is from) |
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17:23.57 | rares000 | I use name-based virtual hosts with an IP:80 setting but I also use virtualmin and I may be forced to go nekkid |
17:24.23 | ianm_ | abrotman: not sure the reprocussions of that..? |
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17:24.51 | abrotman | ianm_: you're now mixing .. mixing is not recommended |
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17:26.28 | ianm_ | abrotman: any idea how this could happen? it's a serverbeach server and I don't think I've changed the sources |
17:26.40 | chops | ianm_: When you say 'stable', you get the current stable (which might be sarge, or etch, or later on maybe lenny, depending on whether there's been a stable upgrade in the interim) |
17:26.50 | abrotman | ianm_: right .. but debian had a new 'stable' release |
17:26.58 | chops | ianm_: For a stable server, you should always specify a specific release: 'sarge', 'etch', etc. |
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17:27.25 | chops | ianm_: In your case, I believe you want 'sarge' |
17:27.42 | ianm_ | I see |
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17:27.42 | chops | ianm_: There's a separate issue that you're missing a sarge security kernel upgrade, I believe |
17:27.50 | chops | That was sudden |
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17:29.33 | cmihai | How do you disable antialiasing _just_ for XForms applications (or any given application)? (Using gnome or KDE) |
17:29.45 | cmihai | They really mess up fonts beyond all readability |
17:29.57 | ianm_ | (damn it, gaim is crashing with IRC now) ok well thanks guys, I have a better idea of what's going on |
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17:30.12 | cmihai | Or was that a Tk app? Well, no matter, how do you disable AA for an app? |
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17:33.04 | freeemind | hello, where to get an etch-netboot image with attansic-L1 ethernet support? It hat been added to the mainline kernel in 2.6.21-rc3 |
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17:36.08 | doudou | how do i install grub into a file mount -o loop ? |
17:36.08 | gpm | freeemind: i don't think there are any installers with a 2.6.21-rc3 kernel |
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17:36.08 | gpm | not any official debian ones |
17:36.09 | freeemind | gpm, okay :( so I have to build a netboot by myself? |
17:36.10 | gpm | that kernel hasn't even been packaged for unstable yet |
17:36.48 | gpm | freeemind: kinda...or use the standard CD/DVD install and get the driver/kernel after your system is installed...i might be missing something though |
17:36.49 | doudou | how do i make a bootable disk with qemu |
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17:37.35 | gpm | this is a pretty new networking card i guess? |
17:37.44 | gpm | you could just grab a cheap one for like 10 bucks |
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17:42.20 | Eduardo____ | Help, erro instalation debian 4, linux-image |
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17:43.03 | nospoon | Is there an easy way to install a debian package to a user's home dir without root access? |
17:43.13 | lipstick_ | anyone know what a Exchange "OST" and "PST" are? |
17:43.30 | abrotman | !pst |
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17:43.40 | wols | PST is the dataformat for exhcnage/utlook? |
17:43.40 | abrotman | bah .. PST is the file that contains your mail |
17:43.41 | azeem | nospoon: no |
17:43.46 | nospoon | azeem: :( |
17:43.47 | nospoon | thanks |
17:43.55 | lipstick_ | huh ? |
17:44.02 | Eduardo____ | Alguem ai teve algum probelma na instalao do debian 4???? |
17:44.07 | azeem | !br |
17:44.07 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
17:44.11 | lipstick_ | abrotman, and the OST ? |
17:44.18 | abrotman | ask ##windows ? |
17:44.18 | dfa001 | lipstick: PST files are the container files for email that outlook uses |
17:44.19 | nospoon | Does anyone know where I can get a standalone binary for inkscape, I don't have all the libs i need to compile it myself |
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17:44.38 | abrotman | i'm not sure what OST or PST files have to do with Debian |
17:44.39 | stew | nospoon: why not just "aptitude install inkscape" ? |
17:44.43 | lipstick_ | dfa001, container for the email ? |
17:44.47 | nospoon | steve: Don't I need root? |
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17:44.52 | ma3x | one quick question: my 64bit cpu changes frequency between 800 MHz and 2200 MHz. does it change on a 64bit platform only, or it changes on 32 bit installation as well? |
17:44.54 | nospoon | sorry, stew |
17:44.54 | azeem | nospoon: ask you admin then |
17:45.08 | nospoon | yeah, our prof doesn't think teh admin will get around to it |
17:45.10 | stew | nospoon: yes, you would |
17:45.10 | dfa001 | lipstick: yes |
17:45.13 | nospoon | thanks |
17:45.17 | azeem | ma3x: that's independent of the bits |
17:45.37 | gpm | colorado school of mines |
17:45.52 | ma3x | azeem, I haven't seen any other cpu (non 64 bits) changing frequency |
17:45.58 | azeem | ma3x: I have |
17:46.00 | azeem | mine, e.g. |
17:46.01 | abrotman | ma3x: many P4 chips do it |
17:46.05 | abrotman | as do AMD chips |
17:46.11 | ma3x | abrotman, I had p4 cpu, it didn't |
17:46.18 | jelly-home | ma3x: most mobile cpus starting from P3-M do. |
17:46.23 | abrotman | ma3x: or you didn't allow it to do it |
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17:47.08 | ma3x | abrotman, what's the advantage of 2200 MHz compared to 800 MHz ? |
17:47.08 | dfa001 | nospoon: you could be evil by adding "init=/bin/sh" to the boot and changing the root password |
17:47.08 | abrotman | ma3x: are you serious ? |
17:47.08 | gpm | dfa001: he's gone |
17:47.10 | gpm | :( |
17:47.10 | ma3x | abrotman, I mean that's not the CPU speed, right? |
17:47.11 | ma3x | or is it? |
17:47.13 | dfa001 | oops |
17:47.17 | abrotman | ma3x: yes it is |
17:47.29 | gpm | dfa001: you should be using tab-completion for nicks |
17:47.37 | ma3x | abrotman, so why does it run at 800 MHz? |
17:47.42 | ma3x | so that it won't create heat? |
17:47.53 | abrotman | ma3x: save battery/power |
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17:47.59 | dfa001 | gpm: heheh that requires a working tab key |
17:48.05 | abrotman | ma3x: for example .. IRC+wifi doesn't require 2200Mhz .. |
17:48.12 | gpm | dfa001: whoa! ghetto keyboard? |
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17:48.24 | dfa001 | gpm: indeed |
17:48.24 | jelly-home | dfa001: ctrl-i ! |
17:48.28 | cahoot | abrotman: you must be kidding |
17:48.37 | muhoo | man am i happy with the latest xorg and auto-probing of monitors. |
17:48.40 | ma3x | abrotman, does it by default change speed without loading any extra modules (with a fresh installation of debian) ? |
17:48.43 | abrotman | cahoot: you're right |
17:48.47 | muhoo | makes it *so* much easier to set up x properly |
17:48.52 | abrotman | ma3x: i thnk so .. dunno .. i don't have fancy hardware like you |
17:49.04 | muhoo | that xorg.log.0 file is actually readable and has useful information nowadays |
17:49.12 | jelly-home | ma3x: which cpu? |
17:49.13 | gpm | muhoo: on the flip-side, the new nvidia drivers are causing much agony for those of us who want opengl |
17:49.20 | muhoo | last time i set up a debian desktop machine, years ago, it was a huge pain in the ass |
17:49.28 | muhoo | nvidia is not linux. nvidia is satan. |
17:49.31 | ma3x | jelly-home, amd athlon 64 (normal one, not FX or the newer ones) |
17:49.36 | jelly-home | ma3x: it might depend on BIOS settings |
17:50.04 | h3sp4wn | The debian kernel - uses the performance governer by default doesn't it |
17:50.09 | ma3x | anyway, I took out the battery of my laptop now, because I leave it ON all the time |
17:50.21 | ma3x | I'm afraid that could minimize the life of the battery |
17:50.21 | muhoo | !kill nvidia |
17:50.26 | ma3x | that happened to my last laptop |
17:50.42 | ma3x | it runs on power now, without battery |
17:50.43 | muhoo | i haven't seen a free aol cd in years. |
17:50.50 | jelly-home | ma3x: if it doesn't, you have do modprobe powernow-k8 and one of the alterante cpufreq governors (eg. cpufreq-ondemand) to make it lower the frequenct |
17:51.07 | abrotman | ma3x: it still would draw less power at lower speeds .. save some trees! |
17:51.12 | debianix | ma3x: leaving the battery in the laptop while plugging it in and using ac does kill the battery |
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17:51.30 | jelly-home | debianix: missing "not" |
17:51.32 | ma3x | debianix, exactly! that's why I took it out |
17:51.33 | muhoo | !balls |
17:51.34 | dpkg | balls is, like, what ody like to keep in his mouth |
17:51.39 | ma3x | it's just like cell phone |
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17:51.47 | muhoo | heh, glad to see dpkg is still filled with useless shit |
17:52.03 | ma3x | leave it on for a few days, and within some time your cell phone won't hold for more than half an hour |
17:52.10 | RobNyc-work | is it me.. or does opening a OpenOffice document from Samba Shares doesnt work on Debian Sid ? |
17:52.10 | dfa001 | muhoo: its what makes dpkg dpkg |
17:52.18 | sepski | !seen ody |
17:52.18 | dpkg | sepski: i haven't seen 'ody' |
17:52.23 | jelly-home | ma3x: it shouldn't kill the battery directly, unless the machine is crap |
17:52.27 | aacevedo | RobNyc-work, que putas haces aqui? |
17:52.29 | petemc | apparently, he used to eat cocks |
17:52.32 | ma3x | abrotman, is BUS speed the same as CPU speed? |
17:52.36 | petemc | that factoid has changed tho |
17:52.38 | sepski | petemc, balls.. |
17:52.39 | RobNyc-work | aacevedo, lol |
17:52.44 | RobNyc-work | aacevedo, new Sidux |
17:52.48 | petemc | sepski: cocks are what ody eats |
17:53.02 | aacevedo | this is debian go to #sidux |
17:53.04 | aacevedo | :) |
17:53.09 | abrotman | ma3x: no .. if you want to know more about how this all works .. ask #hardware |
17:53.13 | debianix | jelly-home: i've experienced it with a toshiba ... i i guess it does kill the battery |
17:53.16 | RobNyc-work | aacevedo, shutup your using kanotix |
17:53.18 | RobNyc-work | im using debian sid |
17:53.22 | sepski | petemc, i'll trust you on that :) |
17:53.23 | RobNyc-work | on vmware |
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17:53.27 | petemc | :) |
17:53.28 | zombi- | hey |
17:53.28 | ma3x | jelly-home, what do you mean directly? it kills it slowly - maybe within 1 - 2 years your laptop battery will hold only 10 mins instead of 2 hours |
17:53.50 | jelly-home | debianix: I'm keeping my laptop pretty much 24/7 on AC and the battery is ok. |
17:54.00 | doudou | how can i make bootable files for qemu? |
17:54.07 | RobNyc-work | aacevedo, bueno me voy aqui nadie me ayuda |
17:54.16 | ma3x | jelly-home, for how long did you do that? |
17:54.19 | debianix | hehe, yeah i have my laptop on 24/7 too ... but the battery is not plug in aswell |
17:54.21 | aacevedo | no |
17:54.25 | jelly-home | ma3x: about a year now |
17:54.33 | aacevedo | aqui es jodido que ayuden |
17:54.35 | ma3x | jelly-home, do it for 2 more years and check it then ... :) |
17:54.35 | zombi- | am i allowed to ask lenny related problems here? |
17:54.37 | dfa001 | !es |
17:54.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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17:54.47 | ma3x | jelly-home, now if you unplug the ac, for how long does the battery hold? |
17:54.51 | aacevedo | besame el culo dfa001 |
17:54.58 | RobNyc-work | aacevedo, yeah .. entrate a init |
17:55.04 | jelly-home | ma3x: that's probably normal lifespan of a decent Li battery anyway |
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17:55.15 | zombi- | I just installed mysql... and it failed to start. Now when I try to apt-get remove it, it fails on stopping it |
17:55.26 | ma3x | anyway, the stupid instructions on the battery's sticker: don't pull out the battery are so wrong |
17:55.27 | bwlang | i have an amd64 system that i just upgraded to 4G of ram... free only shows 348038M. debian etch.. 2.6.18 |
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17:55.33 | gpm | doudou: there's a ton of qemu howtos online...http://wiki.debian.org/qemu for starters |
17:55.34 | aacevedo | why would people think that speaking only one language is so cool |
17:55.37 | aacevedo | is ignorance |
17:55.39 | bwlang | how do i get linux to see the rest of the ram? |
17:55.47 | dfa001 | aacevedo: i speak 4 languages |
17:55.47 | ma3x | I mean if you leave it in and have your laptop 24x7 running, it will minimize it life |
17:55.49 | pngwn | aacevedo, channel policy |
17:55.50 | jelly-home | ma3x: The time is not noticeably lower then when it was new. |
17:55.56 | RobNyc-work | dfa001, lol |
17:55.59 | aacevedo | so whats the buzz? |
17:56.07 | RobNyc-work | I speak english, spanish, portuguese and italian |
17:56.08 | ma3x | jelly-home, not necessairly, but about 10 mins less right? |
17:56.08 | aacevedo | oh i remember this is #debian |
17:56.16 | xingu | jelly-home: I've been bitten by a design defect in that area; some t-series and vaio pcg-f's at least have the internal charger powered from mains, and the system powered from batter when the battery is fitted; this makes the battery go through zillions of continuous (some small)% disharge, recharge cycles. |
17:56.19 | RobNyc-work | i want to learn arabic, french, and russian |
17:56.24 | jelly-home | ma3x: sounds right |
17:56.25 | aacevedo | the worl of the perfect human beings |
17:56.26 | dfa001 | aacevedo: this is an english speaking channel, just out of courtesy pleace speak it |
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17:56.32 | jelly-home | ma3x: but that's normal |
17:56.37 | RobNyc-work | aacevedo, the perfect distro and 1 of the oldest ? |
17:56.42 | bwlang | RobNyc: i think chinese would server you better ;) |
17:56.43 | ma3x | jelly-home, so take it out and use only the ac |
17:56.45 | aacevedo | whio cares |
17:56.46 | muhoo | #debian-es |
17:56.47 | RobNyc-work | bwlang, nah |
17:57.00 | jelly-home | ma3x: it won't help battery life much |
17:57.04 | mzilikazi | hi RobNyc-work |
17:57.07 | ma3x | jelly-home, why not? |
17:57.07 | zombi- | apt-get is trying to install both mysql-server-5.0 and also mysql-server-4.1 :/ |
17:57.08 | xingu | jelly-home: not sure if that's still a problem but I'm not taking any chances either, batteries can be bloody expensive |
17:57.08 | RobNyc-work | aacevedo, #ubuntu-es |
17:57.12 | RobNyc-work | hi mzilikazi long time |
17:57.20 | mzilikazi | indeed |
17:57.21 | aacevedo | mzilikazi, you hang out here too? |
17:57.31 | naitram | i tried adding a script to my etc/init.d directory and running update-rc to make it run. It runs on startup but nothing else starts after it, Ie it starts on the first tty screen and no other screen has login or anything else. Isn't there a simple way to run a program on startup? |
17:57.32 | mzilikazi | aacevedo: sometimes |
17:57.43 | RobNyc-work | mzilikazi, whats up man where you been whats new.. i was looking at my old screenshots of your project :) .. you not with the Sidux guys? |
17:57.44 | abrotman | naitram: put a & after the command |
17:57.51 | jelly-home | xingu: that's why I don't buy shitty brands... oh wait, you said T series |
17:58.13 | aacevedo | abrotman, how the hell are you? |
17:58.15 | mzilikazi | RobNyc-work: nah - to busy w/ life & work |
17:58.24 | abrotman | aacevedo: eh ... fine |
17:58.27 | xingu | jelly-home: yep, I've got one that gets about 3min on dc as a result of 3-4y or so running mostly in dock on mains. |
17:58.42 | abrotman | ah .. now i get it |
17:58.46 | wols | naitram: what program are you running? |
17:58.48 | aacevedo | just now? |
17:58.57 | xingu | jelly-home: t21; even still clobbered after full discharge/ recharge cycle, several times over. totally cactus. |
17:59.04 | wols | if your program never exits or sets itself up as a daemon, of course the scirpt never ends |
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17:59.11 | jelly-home | xingu: I've had that pleasure with an older Compaq Armada, vintage 2000 |
17:59.16 | naitram | abrotman: so, asterisk &, what about exit 0 at the end of the script? |
17:59.23 | naitram | wols: asterisk |
17:59.28 | wols | naitram: it will end with exit or not |
17:59.36 | xingu | jelly-home: yep that's about the right vintage; same era as the pcg-f, same design fault |
17:59.36 | abrotman | naitram: that wouldn't work if the binary never exits |
17:59.41 | abrotman | or isn't put in the background |
17:59.42 | wols | as abrotman said: & at the end, or using nohup or similar |
17:59.47 | jelly-home | xingu: apparently newer batteries don't act like that |
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18:00.00 | xingu | jelly-home: like I said, not sure if it still applies to newer systems or not, but I don't really wanna find out :) |
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18:00.11 | RobNyc-work | mzilikazi, yeah me2 |
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18:00.16 | zombi- | what does it mean when apt-get reports: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
18:00.30 | naitram | abrotman: yeah, the bin exists, it starts asterisk fine, just nothing after it and no login screen. so the & I guess will continue script processing |
18:00.31 | wols | naitram: debian has asterisk. isn't there a startup script coming with it? |
18:00.33 | abrotman | zombi-: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
18:00.34 | wols | you could use that |
18:00.50 | abrotman | naitram: right .. at the end of the command you're using to start asterisk .. put an "&" |
18:00.55 | RobNyc-work | mzilikazi, trying to figure out why only in Debian Sid i cant open OpenOffice documents directly from samba shares at work .. |
18:00.57 | wols | naitram: I wouldn't count on it |
18:00.59 | zombi- | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
18:01.07 | abrotman | zombi-: run apt-get update |
18:01.11 | abrotman | or aptitude update |
18:01.14 | naitram | wols: not sure, i built the latest svn so... |
18:01.18 | mzilikazi | RobNyc-work: hmm weird |
18:01.21 | abrotman | zombi-: is it a debian package ? |
18:01.21 | RobNyc-work | very |
18:01.26 | debianix | zombi-: which package is it you want to install ? |
18:01.38 | wols | naitram: you can use the debian support script and still use the latest and greatest asterisk version |
18:01.41 | RobNyc-work | mzilikazi, but some other guys realized its a debian bug.. because i told the Parsix project guys and they found it true too .. |
18:01.46 | Faolchu | How difficult is it to setup internet sharing on a desktop with two NICs? |
18:01.46 | zombi- | bind9 |
18:01.50 | wols | no one said you had to use the asterisk from debian. just its support scripts |
18:01.54 | matju | when trying to do "/etc/init.d/postfix start" i get this: Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
18:01.59 | petemc | Faolchu: trivial |
18:01.59 | naitram | Thanks, All will try & |
18:02.07 | matju | ... as if i used wrong options. any ideas? |
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18:02.35 | wols | matju: anything special with your postfix? checked the logs? |
18:02.38 | naitram | wols: ok, didn't know. Kinda new here. will ask on the asterisk chat |
18:02.40 | wols | sounds like a bad config file |
18:02.44 | matju | actually, just saying "/etc/init.d/postfix" says "Usage: /etc/init.d/postfix {start|stop|restart|reload|flush|check|abort|force-reload}." instead |
18:02.47 | Faolchu | petemc: All right. Reason being, I have a main router in one room, and my Vonage router in another - one PC is hooked through the Vonage router, and when I disable DHCP the Vonage router can't get a connection. |
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18:02.51 | zombi- | when i try to install mysql-server-5.0... apt also tries to install 4.1 as well as 5.0 |
18:03.00 | wols | naitram: check the deian packges for the init script(s) |
18:03.04 | zombi- | its sending me crazy :| |
18:03.24 | Faolchu | I'd like it so that the PC in that room is on the same subnet as the rest of the computers in the house, and I found I have a spare network card laying around. |
18:03.29 | matju | wols: /var/log/mail.log gives exactly the same error message plus a timestamp |
18:03.30 | wols | zombi-: you sure it's not just trysing to install 4.1 clinet libs for backwards compatibility? |
18:03.31 | debianix | do you have stable and unstable in your sourcelist ? |
18:03.36 | matju | wols: like: May 15 13:58:59 paik postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
18:03.40 | Faolchu | Would there be an easier way to accomplish this petemc? |
18:03.54 | zombi- | The following NEW packages will be installed: mysql-server-4.1 mysql-server-5.0 |
18:04.08 | matju | wols: this is a fresh install of debian 4.0 with postfix conf taken from debian 3.1 |
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18:04.40 | jelly-home | ma3x: there's some stuff about Li batteries in the battery faq. http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap10-page6.asp |
18:04.47 | matju | wols: deleting /etc/postfix/*.db, rebuilding them, and trying again, doesn't do anything more |
18:04.52 | petemc | Faolchu: you could add a route on the desktop for the machine connecting through the second nic, probably better than using masquerading |
18:05.09 | wols | matju: matju try with a total new config. |
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18:05.22 | wols | 3.1 had postfix 1.x, 4.0 has postfix 2.x |
18:05.25 | piztek3 | why is it that if i create a shorcut to url on desktop to a text file it opens blank? |
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18:05.47 | Faolchu | petemc: I mean, is there not a way to do it without using two NICs? |
18:05.56 | wols | zombi-: what debian version? apt-rdepends doesn't give me any 4.1 myql stuff |
18:06.20 | wols | Faolchu: ther is, but it's ugly, very ugly |
18:06.31 | zombi- | wols lenny |
18:06.33 | abrotman | zombi-: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0 |
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18:06.35 | matju | wols: "/etc/init.d/postfix check" says nothing, returns error code 0 (no error) |
18:06.39 | zwerg | Hi there. |
18:06.49 | matju | wols: i mean, with my existing config. |
18:07.01 | zombi- | abrotman i get too much back from that command to paste |
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18:07.07 | abrotman | !paste |
18:07.07 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
18:07.14 | wols | matju: remove your current config to elimintate possibilities: if it still doesn't work with clean new config, you know it's not your config |
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18:07.46 | matju | wols: yes, i'm getting there. |
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18:07.57 | zombi- | http://paste.debian.net/28057 |
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18:08.18 | matju | wols: with the default config it does load. now how would you debug this? |
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18:08.57 | ma3x | jelly-home, look it says when running on linux, battery life is extended as much as twice! |
18:09.00 | wols | matju: simply recreate your config step by step... |
18:09.06 | Faolchu | wols: how ugly? |
18:09.10 | wols | matju: note how I said "simply"... |
18:09.19 | zombi- | basically what happened is.. i installed mysql 5.0, it didnt start succesfully, so i tried to remove it, the init script failed to stop it, so i made a fake init script to return 1 to get it removed. |
18:09.20 | wols | Faolchu: fairly insecure for a start |
18:09.21 | matju | wols: what does "simply" mean here? |
18:09.28 | wols | matju: sarcasm |
18:09.39 | zombi- | but before i figured out how to get it to remove, i also tried apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
18:09.46 | zwerg | For old (non-xft like aterm) applications, when using msttcorefonts, I have rectangles instead of spaces. Other chars work well. Any idea why? |
18:09.49 | zombi- | its like apt-get has queued up my commands |
18:09.55 | n3kl_ | What is a good web development application? |
18:09.56 | wols | zombi-: mysql-server-5.0 and 5.1 are the same on debian as you can clearly see. why I don't actually know |
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18:10.11 | matju | wols: oh, i've got plenty of sarcasm too, but what would it be without the sarcasm? |
18:10.12 | wols | n3kl_: ruby on rails |
18:10.19 | abrotman | !depends mysql-server-5.0 lenny |
18:10.27 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: pre-depends on mysql-common (>= 5.0.38-1), adduser (>= 3.40) |
18:10.36 | wols | matju: it's all you can do. recreate your config what you want to do, sooner or later it will break |
18:10.40 | kth`` | on debian lenny: I installed standard 2.6.18-4-xen-686 kernel it complains on PAE mismatch and reboots, it reports xen=no dom0=yes for PAE, what am i doing wrong? Or is the -xen kernel supposed to be run on guests? I'm confused now |
18:10.47 | wols | matju: something or toher changed between 1.x and 2.x |
18:10.50 | zombi- | the other wierd thing is.. |
18:10.56 | wols | matju: you could try and ask #postfix what |
18:11.02 | zombi- | ive done apt-get remove for 5.0 and 4.1 |
18:11.10 | Faolchu | e |
18:11.15 | zombi- | and for some reason there still seems to be mysqld installed |
18:11.23 | jelly-home | ma3x: I must have been lucky, then |
18:11.38 | chops | zombi-: dpkg -S /path/to/mysqld |
18:11.38 | wols | zombi-: dpkg -l |grep mysql |
18:11.38 | n3kl_ | wols: you know something about web dev? |
18:11.38 | ma3x | jelly-home, just kidding |
18:11.38 | zombi- | even though apt says the remove was succesful |
18:11.38 | matju | wols: i wasn't using 1.x, i think that this is 2.1 vs 2.3 or something |
18:11.46 | wols | n3kl_: your question is fairly nonsensical imho |
18:11.46 | zombi- | ahhh |
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18:12.01 | wols | !info postfix oldstable |
18:12.05 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 783 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB |
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18:12.20 | ma3x | jelly-home, it doesn't make fsckin sense. you buy the laptop, and for 3-4 years the battery lasts for 3-4 mins |
18:12.21 | wols | !info postfix stable |
18:12.23 | piztek3 | why is it that if i create a shorcut to url on desktop to a text file it opens blank? |
18:12.26 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.8-2+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 1063 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB |
18:12.32 | zombi- | ok that fixed it |
18:12.42 | zombi- | but now i can't install 5.0 without 4.1 installing as well |
18:12.52 | n3kl_ | wols: I am looking to build my own site. I was under the impression that perl would replace cgi function of php, and php would replace html completely. Can you build a site using strictly php, or do you have to use html? |
18:13.03 | chops | zombi-: Which 4.1 package precisely does it want to install? |
18:13.03 | wols | unlink: 5.0 is 4.1 on debian. look at your apt-cache paste |
18:13.21 | wols | n3kl_: php outputs html |
18:13.24 | kth`` | n3kl, php is a hypertext preprocessor, it outputs html |
18:13.27 | wols | n3kl_: so no you can't |
18:13.28 | zombi- | oh you're right |
18:13.53 | abrotman | kth``: it doesn't have to output html |
18:14.07 | zombi- | 0% [Connecting to apt1.memset.net (81.3.86.121)] [Connecting to apt1.memset.net (81.3.86.121)] |
18:14.09 | wols | abrotman: if you use it for a website, it usually helps tho |
18:14.12 | n3kl_ | wols: so you structure the php in a way that the output of the html will be your site? |
18:14.16 | zombi- | thats what i get when running apt-get update |
18:14.25 | zombi- | memset is who im hosting with |
18:14.31 | wols | n3kl_: you write a php program that outputs html which is then what the client's browser sees |
18:14.37 | abrotman | wols: i've used it for other things .. but i'm an evil bastard :) |
18:14.48 | zombi- | theres nothing about memset in my sources list |
18:14.49 | kth`` | on debian lenny: I installed standard 2.6.18-4-xen-686 kernel it complains on PAE mismatch and reboots, it reports xen=no dom0=yes for PAE, what am i doing wrong? Or is the -xen kernel supposed to be run on guests? |
18:14.49 | n3kl_ | wols: so php can do simple things like links and background colors and table ans such, yes? |
18:14.51 | wols | abrotman: using php means you're a stupid bastard :P |
18:14.55 | wols | abrotman: and so am I |
18:15.02 | wols | backt he the php salt mines I goe |
18:15.07 | abrotman | wols: hehe |
18:15.11 | wols | n3kl_: no |
18:15.17 | wols | n3kl_: only html can do html things |
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18:15.24 | jelly-home | ma3x: 3 years is the usual range for business laptops warranty |
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18:16.27 | n3kl_ | wols: where can I learn about this? I am looking for a language to learn. I thought perl was it, but aparently not, now that I am through my first perl book. |
18:16.39 | piztek3 | where can i find xgl for amd64? |
18:16.49 | abrotman | piztek3: debian has aiglx |
18:16.50 | ma3x | jelly-home, that means if something happens to the battery - explosion or malfunction, then you can change it |
18:16.56 | jelly-home | ma3x: Also, I have no idea what sort of perfomance this 2005-09 battery will have in 2008. I only know about some that were made in 2000-2001. |
18:17.04 | wols | n3kl_: what do you want to do? and do you have any previous programming experience? |
18:17.19 | wols | !xgl |
18:17.19 | dpkg | hmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
18:17.20 | jelly-home | ma3x: not really, batteries usually have separate 12 months warranty :-) |
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18:17.25 | piztek3 | abrotman: it's just built in |
18:17.26 | ma3x | wols, I'm a c++ programmer :p |
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18:17.41 | wols | ma3x: you are a noob. and we all know it |
18:17.43 | piztek3 | are there any amd64 beryl how to's? |
18:17.47 | n3kl_ | wols: eventually, I want my site to look like a wordpress installation. Dynamic content eventually, but easy to manage. I am willing to learn, but I don't know where to start. |
18:17.49 | wols | !beryl |
18:17.50 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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18:18.18 | wols | n3kl_: the important part is to know programming, not a single progamming language |
18:18.23 | ma3x | jelly-home, the nice thing about laptop batteries is that if power goes down and comes back after a few mins, your laptop still runs without any interruptions |
18:18.30 | ma3x | jelly-home, unlike desktops |
18:18.32 | zombi- | http://paste.debian.net/28059 |
18:18.33 | cacahuate | does anyone know of a program similar to Truecrypt that can be used for both linux and windows? |
18:18.49 | wols | n3kl_: start with something you want to do (to have better motivation) |
18:18.54 | n3kl_ | wols: I know bash, not really programming, and I am learning perl. To begin web development, where do you suggest I begin with that? |
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18:19.08 | n3kl_ | wols: php, perl, ruby, django? |
18:19.13 | wols | if you ever written some html you can start with php tutorials. if not, do a bit of exeprimenting with html and maybe css only first |
18:19.13 | zombi- | ruuuby :) |
18:19.18 | jelly-home | ma3x: it works with desktops too if you have a battery for them |
18:19.45 | wols | n3kl_: your choices are ruby, python, perl and php mostly |
18:19.59 | wols | of those 4 languages php is the suckiest but also the most common :( |
18:20.01 | n3kl_ | wols: I have built sites long long ago typing tags in vi and such, and I have done some C++, but its been a while |
18:20.20 | wols | n3kl_: so you at least kno the basics of programming. good start |
18:20.22 | zombi- | PHP is good for starting out, if you're using ruby you'll probably want to use ruby on rails, which kinda complicates things for newbies |
18:20.24 | n3kl_ | wols: in the process of learning perl, but it does not seem to be suited for basic web development. |
18:20.26 | ma3x | jelly-home, they don't have batteries you dummy! |
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18:20.54 | wols | n3kl_: web development is ugly. totally, eternally fugly beyond belief. it simply sucks |
18:20.58 | n3kl_ | wols: I learned enough c++ to build an application for a company and then never touched it again, pretty much |
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18:21.11 | ma3x | jelly-home, that's called power generator or something similar |
18:21.18 | jelly-home | ma3x: UPS |
18:21.26 | ma3x | yup, but not a battery |
18:21.34 | ma3x | united postal service :) |
18:21.34 | jelly-home | ma3x: dude, that IS a battery |
18:21.42 | zombi- | PHP is aimed at web development, whereas perl isn't quite as relevent |
18:21.42 | wols | n3kl_: with web development you simply don't have printf, or rather instead of printf, ncurse ir xlib or gdi, you have to print out html statements |
18:21.45 | wols | that's about it |
18:21.45 | ma3x | yeah a big big battery |
18:22.09 | ma3x | jelly-home, anyway they prolly cost more than the laptop |
18:22.09 | n3kl_ | wols: that would be cgi, right? |
18:22.14 | wols | zombi-: the truble is php sucks as alanguage |
18:22.24 | zombi- | ruby is much nicer |
18:22.24 | wols | n3kl_: no |
18:22.42 | n3kl_ | wols: similar to how php works, using a structured language ( php, perl) to output the html |
18:22.49 | zombi- | but learning the rails framework is too much of a complexity for people starting out |
18:22.54 | xingu | php is proof that dlopen and dlsym should be shell internals |
18:22.55 | wols | cgi means the process generating the html is a different process from apache and prints html to stdout which apache then delivers via http |
18:23.13 | wols | php and ruby work by being in the same process as apache and there is no stdout anymore really |
18:23.13 | ma3x | jelly-home, what's the minimal UPS weight? 150KG?????? |
18:23.15 | jelly-home | ma3x: there is no "probably", there is "check the fucking market" |
18:23.22 | wols | all there is, is the network socket |
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18:23.37 | zombi- | HTML, CSS, PHP then Ruby if you want to try out a framework or just don't like php |
18:23.38 | jelly-home | ma3x: no, but that is a nice one to throw on noobs |
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18:23.48 | en1gma | morning all |
18:23.57 | en1gma | !debian way |
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18:24.12 | zombi- | http://paste.debian.net/28059 <-- Anyone know what I can do about this? |
18:24.14 | ma3x | jelly-home, last time I checked it was something like $1k |
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18:24.20 | en1gma | whats the trigger to see the debian way to build a kernel |
18:24.23 | en1gma | !kernel |
18:24.24 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.1, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc1-git2, 2.4: 2.4.34.4, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-mm2 |
18:24.34 | en1gma | !kernel debian way |
18:24.35 | wols | !tell en1gma about km-mantra |
18:24.37 | wols | !tell en1gma about kp-mantra |
18:24.38 | tarzeau | crap the video card GU1-Extreme in my indigo2 isn't supported by linux.... goota use the serial console |
18:24.47 | ma3x | jelly-home, anyway take the battery out of your laptop and extend its life |
18:24.56 | en1gma | no for the debian way |
18:25.05 | en1gma | !kernel debian-way |
18:25.17 | wols | en1gma: that is the debian way |
18:25.25 | en1gma | thats not that one i used before |
18:25.35 | en1gma | !kernel the debian way |
18:25.36 | wols | sucks to be you then. it's the only debian way |
18:25.54 | en1gma | well i used a different trigger |
18:25.58 | Nyle | there is a new kung fu movie out |
18:26.01 | en1gma | and im sure someone will show me |
18:26.04 | Nyle | its called "Way of the Debian" |
18:26.07 | Nyle | its pretty good |
18:26.12 | abrotman | !kpmantra |
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18:26.15 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
18:26.16 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
18:26.18 | abrotman | that one ? |
18:26.20 | en1gma | !kno |
18:26.26 | en1gma | no not that one |
18:26.36 | en1gma | this one showed what packages i need to get to compile |
18:26.40 | wols | abrotman: he uses a _special_ debian version |
18:26.51 | en1gma | !kernel-debian-way |
18:26.53 | wols | !tell en1gma about b-e |
18:26.54 | abrotman | wols: for those only using Debian on Sunday ? |
18:26.56 | xingu | doesn't rootcmd default to fakeroot for uid!=0 ? |
18:27.01 | wols | abrotman: you got it |
18:27.15 | en1gma | nope it showed more then that |
18:27.16 | wols | en1gma: and kernel-package and libncurses5-dev |
18:27.19 | wols | that's all you need |
18:27.27 | n3kl_ | wols: so as far as web development, can perl do all that php can do? |
18:27.28 | en1gma | thats not the trigger i looking for |
18:27.42 | abrotman | !Kernel-package |
18:27.42 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
18:27.49 | en1gma | yes that one |
18:27.50 | wols | n3kl_: any turing complete language can do as much as any other turing complete language |
18:27.50 | en1gma | :) |
18:27.56 | wols | both php and perl are turing complete |
18:27.57 | en1gma | thanks |
18:27.59 | abrotman | !debian-kernel |
18:27.59 | dpkg | [debian-kernel] Making a kernel The Debian Way, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html if you have gotten (is that a word) a kernel module package you're best following that, basically, apt-get install kernel-source-foo && unpack && ln -s kernel-dir-foo linux && cd linux && make menuconfig && make-kpkg kernel_image && make-kpkg modules_image && dpkg -i ../kernel-image-foo.deb && reboot |
18:28.14 | matju | wols: i only had to replace postfix-script, after all. thanks anyway. |
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18:28.22 | moth | On the other hand, no language implementations are turing complete |
18:28.33 | jelly-home | xingu: ... does fakeroot work in fakeroot? |
18:28.33 | moth | since turing completeness requires infinite memory (and infinite time) |
18:28.39 | zombi- | whats the command to find which package a file belongs in? |
18:28.41 | wols | moth: ok. practially turing complete |
18:28.50 | wols | moth: sheesh, you nit picker! |
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18:28.58 | moth | well... resource limitations matter |
18:29.09 | jelly-home | moth: and infinite speed to run your apps in finite time! |
18:29.21 | moth | nah, turing completeness was never about infinite speed |
18:29.23 | nyty | hi |
18:29.26 | nyty | please i have this error |
18:29.31 | nyty | in realplayer |
18:29.32 | nyty | (realplay.bin:17409): Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed |
18:30.13 | piztek3 | is ColdFyre here? |
18:30.23 | wols | n3kl_: but doing web dev in perl is probably a bit harder than php. php is just optimized for web dev and it has many support libs and scripts for it |
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18:30.40 | piztek3 | can anyone help me with poweroff problems at boot, the new kernel didn't fix the problem |
18:31.16 | sussudio | %fix piztek3 |
18:31.17 | wols | piztek3: we already told you it's hardware |
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18:31.32 | n3kl_ | wols: Ok, cool. I think I am going to get a book on php then. Thanks for the insight. |
18:31.35 | piztek3 | but it doesn't happen with the windows disk |
18:32.04 | wols | n3kl_: look on the web. tons of tutorials out ther especially when you already know the principles of programming |
18:32.13 | wols | piztek3: that doesn't mean shit all |
18:32.24 | h3sp4wn | n3kl_: mod_perl is nice (with template toolkit) - if you want a framework there is http://www.catalystframework.org/ |
18:32.26 | wols | piztek3: ever ran prime95 on windows? |
18:32.50 | n3kl_ | h3sp4wn: what does it mean "framework"? I see that all over, ruby and such. |
18:33.13 | piztek3 | yeah my memory tests out fine |
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18:34.29 | wols | n3kl_: a support structure. made of a library |
18:34.40 | wols | e.g. a X program uses the X "framework" you could say |
18:34.46 | n3kl_ | wols: ah |
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18:34.51 | n3kl_ | wols: thanks again |
18:34.53 | wols | it tries to help you with common task which happen with every project |
18:35.02 | h3sp4wn | n3kl_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application_framework |
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18:35.33 | wols | h3sp4wn: damn you! you found it faster than me! |
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18:35.43 | takezo | how can i give a user same gruoup wr ..? |
18:35.43 | Anthro | I have a program that will only give output to a tty. Is there anything that will pretend to be a tty but dump to a file? |
18:35.44 | piztek3 | !beryl |
18:35.44 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
18:35.44 | n3kl_ | h3sp4wn: catalyst is a perl module it looks like,neat. |
18:36.06 | takezo | how can i create playlist with mplayer ..? |
18:36.07 | wols | Anthro: don't you mean stdout? |
18:36.29 | n3kl_ | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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18:36.48 | Anthro | wols: If stdout is directed to a file, no output is produced. I need something that will convince this program that stdout is a tty, but actually dump to a file. |
18:36.53 | takezo | how can i give a user same gruoup wr ..? |
18:36.55 | takezo | how can i create playlist with mplayer ..? |
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18:37.20 | wols | takezo: man chmod |
18:37.26 | wols | !permissions |
18:37.26 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
18:37.30 | takezo | and plyalist..? |
18:38.06 | azeem | I'm not sure mplayer supports playlists |
18:38.06 | chops | takezo: Tried googling "mplayer create playlist"? |
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18:38.25 | thingfish | I have set Power Management to not shut off my display, yet the display goes to sleep after about an hour. This is etch. |
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18:38.32 | abrotman | !dpms |
18:38.32 | dpkg | it has been said that dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
18:38.37 | chops | Anthro: 'screen' with logging? |
18:38.46 | thingfish | thanks abrotman |
18:38.52 | Anthro | chops: Hm. Not a bad thought. I'll try it. |
18:39.00 | takezo | yes it permit, but i doont know how can create |
18:39.48 | xingu | hmm, interesting, all this time I've been using make-kpkg as an ordinary user without fakeroot and the results have been working just fine. :) |
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18:41.16 | en1gma | !make-kpkg |
18:41.17 | dpkg | make-kpkg is probably the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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18:41.40 | ma3x | how can I test my download? |
18:41.44 | en1gma | !kp mantra |
18:41.44 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
18:41.46 | ilkay_c | Hello. My Etch system, which had been working fine until the last kernel update, has no sound now. When I start KDE, I get a dialog that tells me "Access to /dev/dsp is denied". The last time this happened, I just rebooted with one of the older kernels and it worked. Today, I don't have sound with any of the three kernels, all 2.6x. Any ideas how I can get this working? I've tried reloading ALSA. |
18:41.50 | thingfish | abrotman: in the Monitor section of xorg.conf, there was already Option "DPMS". |
18:41.52 | wols | !tell en1gma about msg the bot |
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18:41.59 | Jav1er | hi |
18:42.09 | Jav1er | when did debian woody support finish? |
18:42.13 | wols | ma3x: download of what? |
18:42.18 | thingfish | abrotman: I added "On" right after "DPMS" |
18:42.20 | ma3x | wols bandwidth you know .... |
18:42.21 | chops | ilkay_c: Are the permissions on /dev/dsp okay? Are you part of the audio group? |
18:42.29 | stew | Jav1er: june 2006 |
18:42.30 | wols | Jav1er: a year after sarge went final probably |
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18:42.39 | Jav1er | thanks :D |
18:42.42 | piztek3 | is deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main a amd64 repo |
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18:43.39 | ilkay_c | chops: /dev/dsp is root.audio and I'm not part of the audio group. Why would that have changed? This has been working for months. |
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18:43.52 | abrotman | thingfish: you wanted it Off :) |
18:44.09 | thingfish | abrotman: well duh |
18:44.16 | thingfish | yes I guess that's right |
18:44.20 | chops | ilkay_c: A udev-related change that corrected the permissions when they used to be busted? Who knows... you should be part of the audio group, though. Does that fix it? |
18:45.18 | en1gma | the other day someone gave me a couple lines that worked really good for makeing a kernel the deiban way. the first line involved apt-get installing what i needed....the 2nd line involved changing to a fakeroot and building the kernel from cli with menuconfig |
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18:45.27 | en1gma | could anyone reapeat those 2 commands by any chance |
18:45.38 | en1gma | i lost my text file that had em somehow |
18:45.49 | sudo_maddash | !kp mantra |
18:45.50 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
18:45.50 | wols | !tell en1gma about kp-mantra |
18:46.02 | sudo_maddash | oops. heh. |
18:46.12 | en1gma | wols_ that isnt it |
18:46.32 | wols | en1gma: this, together with what you've been told before is all you need |
18:46.34 | ilkay_c | chops: I'll have to exit KDE and return to see if it worked. Thanks for the tip. |
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18:46.51 | en1gma | what i asked for is not that |
18:46.59 | en1gma | what i asked for was those 2 lines |
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18:47.12 | en1gma | if you want to give em please do and if not i think you know my answer |
18:47.56 | sudo_maddash | en1gma: kernel-package is quite possibly the simplest way to compile a (custom) kernel |
18:48.13 | stew | en1gma: if not kp mantra then maybe /msg dpkg kp |
18:48.13 | ColdFyre | my nick highlight was triggered |
18:48.28 | ColdFyre | was someone looking for me or was it someone saying everyones nick |
18:48.41 | stew | ColdFyre: try /lastlog ColdFyre |
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18:48.44 | en1gma | well i was just asking if anyone remembered giving me those 2 commands because they worked so well that i would like to use em again |
18:48.45 | wols | cydork: /lastlog |
18:48.48 | en1gma | it was really nice |
18:48.51 | wols | ColdFyre: /lastlog |
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18:49.08 | sudo_maddash_ | damn. |
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18:49.38 | piztek3 | can anyone help me find an amd64 repo of beryl? the one listed on the howto isn't connecting! |
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18:49.56 | ColdFyre | piztek3: it doesnt come standard? |
18:49.58 | sn0 | piztek3 there are tuxfamily org links on the beryl site |
18:50.06 | stew | ColdFyre: no, beryl is not in debian |
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18:50.17 | ColdFyre | err im thinking ubuntu |
18:50.17 | sn0 | its connecting fine for me (at least) |
18:50.22 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: no it doesn't |
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18:50.31 | N`Kr1pt | I only have sid in my sources.list, and I want to upgrade all the packages on my system, which is best? dist-upgrade or upgrade? |
18:50.40 | chops | N`Kr1pt: dist-upgrade |
18:50.42 | piztek3 | i think i installed an i386 package, because i did everything correctly and it didn't work |
18:50.48 | stew | N`Kr1pt: you don't want to dist-upgrade to sid |
18:50.52 | piztek3 | and the amd64 isn't connecting |
18:50.54 | stew | N`Kr1pt: /msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade |
18:51.04 | en1gma | maybe someone can remember....they said i open up cntrl-alt-f1 as user and when i run there command to build it will automatically open munuconfig and i also open another term as user and do an lspci and look at my hardware then i use that info to go back to 1st terminal and pick my menuconfig options and when i save/close it auto builds and does it all |
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18:51.18 | en1gma | so its like a 2 step process besides doing the dpkg -i |
18:51.21 | stew | piztek3: you installed an i386 pacakge onto amd64? how? |
18:51.33 | wols | stew: magic |
18:51.41 | piztek3 | whoa maybe i didn't then |
18:51.46 | en1gma | anyone remember telling me that info? |
18:51.49 | Anthro | chops: screen with logging is doing just what I wanted. Thanks! |
18:51.54 | stew | piztek3: you would have to go out of your way to do so |
18:52.02 | chops | Anthro: np |
18:52.06 | piztek3 | okay i didn't |
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18:52.14 | piztek3 | then why didn't it work after ctrl alt backspace |
18:52.15 | wols | en1gma: make manuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg binary-arch |
18:52.18 | N`Kr1pt | allright upgrade it is then |
18:52.19 | N`Kr1pt | thx |
18:52.26 | wols | piztek3: what videocard? |
18:52.34 | piztek3 | nvidia 7600gs |
18:52.53 | wols | just checking it's not ati :) |
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18:52.59 | piztek3 | lol |
18:53.28 | en1gma | wols_ well the person said exactly what packages i need to apt-get install (there was at least 5 including fakeroot and some other strange one) then with command 2 it did absolutely everything EXCEPT pick the options in menuconfig and dpkg -i kernel |
18:53.41 | piztek3 | Section "Extensions" or Section "Extension" |
18:54.04 | en1gma | so it was really a 2 step process to build the kernel |
18:54.17 | en1gma | maybe 3 steps at the most (including installing it) |
18:54.26 | wols | en1gma: there are only 3 |
18:54.34 | en1gma | hmmm |
18:54.35 | chops | N`Kr1pt: Oh, yes -- stew is correct. 'aptitude dist-upgrade' is probably actually what you want |
18:54.43 | en1gma | 3 steps if you know what your doing |
18:54.48 | piztek3 | ColdFyre: ? |
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18:54.52 | wols | build-essential, libncurses5-dev and kernel-package.. pssibly fakeroot |
18:55.20 | en1gma | so dont get fakeroot and just do those "build-essential, libncurses5-dev and kernel-package." as root? |
18:55.27 | stew | chops: that's not what I meant. i meant if he didn't know if he should be using upgrade or dist-upgrade, he shouldnt' be using sid, he should be using stable |
18:55.30 | wols | install those |
18:55.33 | en1gma | done |
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18:55.43 | chops | stew: Hmm, point taken |
18:56.06 | wols | en1gma: if you don't need an initrd, the thing I wrote above is all you need to create a kernel if you are root. use fakeroot if not |
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18:56.16 | N`Kr1pt | is sid the name of unstable forever or not? |
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18:56.26 | N`Kr1pt | because tesing is now lenny and not sid? |
18:56.27 | wols | N`Kr1pt: yes |
18:56.29 | N`Kr1pt | ok |
18:56.35 | wols | sid is always unstable |
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18:56.52 | en1gma | yea im not sure if i need an initrd but i think that was included with the command the guy gave me other day |
18:56.57 | dkr | no plans to institutionalize him, yet |
18:56.57 | N`Kr1pt | because he's the kid that breaks everything ^^ |
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18:57.04 | en1gma | dang i bet hes not in channel otherwise he would have said somehting |
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18:57.24 | wols | en1gma: you most probably don't. unless you do some RAID or have a shitty disk controller |
18:57.30 | dogmeat | how do you create a .so from a .a lib file? |
18:57.33 | shadey_ | anyone have any experience with vncserver? |
18:57.41 | en1gma | i do have a shitty disk controller and raid |
18:57.41 | wols | !tell shadey_ about ask |
18:57.56 | en1gma | its mounted as we speak |
18:58.15 | shadey_ | I have a vncserver running... but when i connect via client i only get a blank x display |
18:58.40 | en1gma | i can not believe i do not have that damn text file |
18:58.46 | en1gma | let me look some more |
18:58.49 | shadey_ | trying to display the kdm |
18:58.54 | shadey_ | if it's possible |
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19:00.06 | stew | en1gma: you need initrd if you are going to need to do stuff before you can mount your root partition, where "do stuff" might be loading kernel modules (for ext3, or your drive controller), or start lvm, start software raid, cryptoloop, etc |
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19:00.14 | N`Kr1pt | is there something like widgets on apple for gnome? |
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19:00.24 | dkr | applets? |
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19:00.59 | HyperDevi | where can i get tcp_scan on debian? |
19:01.17 | HyperDevi | i found no packages for it.. |
19:01.33 | HyperDevi | i just want to check if the port is open, and script this |
19:01.42 | N`Kr1pt | nmap? |
19:01.47 | dkr | you could nmap instead |
19:01.47 | wols | HyperDevi: netstat |
19:01.49 | HyperDevi | nmap = too slow |
19:02.00 | HyperDevi | netstat is only for the local machine |
19:02.05 | wols | HyperDevi: telnet to the port? |
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19:02.48 | HyperDevi | wols: if the port is closed, telnet will take ages to close |
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19:03.08 | HyperDevi | i need just a quick check.. max 2 a 3 ms |
19:03.18 | jelly-home | HyperDevi: nmap too slow? even with appropriate options? |
19:03.19 | dkr | you are launching a separate program from a script and worried about it being slow? |
19:03.27 | wols | HyperDevi: screen and killall. very fast |
19:03.39 | HyperDevi | haha |
19:03.42 | wols | ah, script based |
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19:03.51 | HyperDevi | i know tcp_scan but i cant find it :( |
19:04.09 | en1gma | ok thanks |
19:04.17 | N`Kr1pt | aren't there sources for tcp_scan? |
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19:04.38 | jelly-home | HyperDevi: Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.012 seconds |
19:04.56 | wols | HyperDevi: have you searched? |
19:04.57 | dkr | HyperDevi: maybe you forgot to disable dns lookups when you used nmap? :) |
19:05.00 | jelly-home | works for me (tm) |
19:05.14 | N`Kr1pt | yea I thought nmap is pretty fast too |
19:05.24 | HyperDevi | dkr: can you give me the string for the fastest possible lookup? |
19:05.24 | wols | tcp_scan is not in debian |
19:05.36 | dkr | a simple check for an open port would also be a lot faster than an entire scan |
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19:05.50 | N`Kr1pt | yea but if you really don't want to use nmap, you'll have to compile the sources for tcp_scan |
19:05.56 | jelly-home | dkr: that's for people who rtfm |
19:05.57 | HyperDevi | dkr: afcourse -p, what should speed it up more? |
19:06.10 | jelly-home | HyperDevi: -P0 -sT |
19:06.37 | jelly-home | and whatever the option to disable dns lookups is |
19:07.04 | dkr | -n |
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19:07.48 | HyperDevi | mm ok i will try that, just find out how i can get rid of all the crap around the port section in the output :P |
19:08.37 | solemnwarning | If I install an LVM system do I have to make a non-LVM /boot or can grub handle the kernel being in an LVM fs? |
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19:09.02 | HyperDevi | nmap 10.0.1.6 -p80 -sT -n |grep 80 |awk '{print $2}' :):):) |
19:09.04 | petemc | solemnwarning: you'll want a small non lvm partition to boot from |
19:09.05 | jelly-home | useless use of grep! |
19:09.16 | HyperDevi | jelly-home: oh? |
19:09.18 | solemnwarning | ok |
19:09.27 | jelly-home | awk '/80/{print $2}' |
19:09.32 | solemnwarning | Do I need a non-LVM /boot for xen guests too? |
19:09.38 | petemc | no |
19:09.43 | solemnwarning | thanks |
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19:09.54 | HyperDevi | jelly-home: cool even better :) thanks |
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19:10.18 | wiedenmann | I want to have ^f composed to 1 character, how can I type that either using X or terminal. |
19:10.28 | solemnwarning | Does LVM slow down disk access slightly since it's a layer of abstraction? |
19:10.47 | petemc | solemnwarning: not in my experience, im not a speed freak tho |
19:11.02 | solemnwarning | Should I keep my swap partition on a real fs? |
19:11.09 | ThinkRusty87 | ./server 67.184.254.124 |
19:11.13 | ThinkRusty87 | ./server 67.184.254.124 |
19:11.20 | petemc | solemnwarning: thats not necessary |
19:11.24 | solemnwarning | ok |
19:11.50 | dkr | lol, nmap has a script kiddie leet speak output option: -oS <filespec> (ScRipT KIdd|3 oUTpuT) |
19:12.33 | zombi- | yeah |
19:12.38 | zombi- | i think bx does too :P |
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19:12.41 | zombi- | bitchx that is |
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19:14.44 | en1gma | "and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz" i dont see this file in there. |
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19:15.34 | petemc | solemnwarning: i should add, you can have swap on lvm, but its not the norm, most people still use a 'normal' parttion for swap |
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19:15.45 | mateuszk | Jo |
19:15.47 | mateuszk | Hi |
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19:16.02 | mateuszk | How to find if texlive debian packages include algorithm2e LaTeX package ? |
19:16.11 | jelly-home | Is 20 months enough for a maintainer to be considered MIA? |
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19:16.17 | wols | !tell mateuszk about search |
19:16.20 | wols | pdo is your friend |
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19:17.41 | mateuszk | wols, ok found in texlive-science package .. strange |
19:17.50 | mateuszk | wols, but thx |
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19:18.31 | piztek3 | how do i make beryl start on bootup? |
19:18.47 | marc7 | what's the new package repository called for the current/cutting edge packages on etch? it includes much more current versions of things like clamav,e tc. |
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19:19.09 | stoned | !sid faq |
19:19.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
19:19.17 | stoned | read this first |
19:19.18 | marc7 | no no, not sid. |
19:19.22 | stoned | experimental? |
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19:19.28 | stoned | if you have to ask, you shouldn't use it |
19:19.36 | h3sp4wn | backports ? |
19:19.41 | marc7 | i just can't remember what it's called and can't find it on the debian website... |
19:19.45 | stoned | just compile the latest source, from source |
19:19.46 | marc7 | and it isn't backports. |
19:19.53 | stoned | experimental! |
19:20.03 | marc7 | *goes back to debian.org and looks some more* |
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19:20.10 | roland | hi |
19:20.28 | roland | im looking to run debian 4 on pentium 1 233 mhz 64 ram |
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19:20.41 | roland | i want X/twm/fluxbox but if its too much i can do text mode too.. |
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19:20.44 | roland | is it a good idea? |
19:20.45 | J_P | hi all |
19:20.49 | sudo_maddash | roland: good choice. what else are you looking to? |
19:20.54 | h3sp4wn | roland: fluxbox would be fine |
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19:20.59 | gpm | sounds good to me |
19:21.01 | sudo_maddash | roland: icewm, dude. |
19:21.02 | ustunozgur | marc7, do you mean apt-get.org? |
19:21.05 | wols | roland: it's doable |
19:21.14 | marc7 | i think i mean volatile. |
19:21.18 | yang | I wonder if there is a way to *TAG* one line in "top" to see the process more clearly? |
19:21.23 | J_P | msg dpkg: debian-arm ? |
19:21.26 | wols | roland: if you run ffox in those 64MB it's pushing tho |
19:21.29 | marc7 | http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
19:21.30 | J_P | dpkg: debian-arm ? |
19:21.47 | sudo_maddash | i'm looking to run debian 4 on UNIVAC. |
19:23.54 | wols | sudo_maddash: provided the smithsonian will allow you to do it? |
19:23.54 | roland | i want to make a beowulf cluster out of several pentium 1 64ram pcs, and i only need to run kernel 2.6 + possibly Xorg and twm with dillo as browser |
19:23.54 | wols | roland: a cluster with X? |
19:23.55 | sudo_maddash | wols: I'll let the debian charm them. |
19:23.55 | roland | wols: no |
19:23.55 | roland | just wondering how X will run on that cpu |
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19:23.55 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
19:23.55 | wols | X doesn't need CPU. it needs RAM |
19:23.55 | sobersabre | I am still messing with the raid. |
19:23.55 | petemc | roland: you could save yourself a lot of time and effort by springing for a newer machine, be much more powerful than a cluster of old machines |
19:23.56 | roland | wols: X also needs cpu power, as any app |
19:23.56 | roland | as a matter of fact, more than any app |
19:23.56 | roland | in text mode |
19:23.56 | petemc | thats not true |
19:23.56 | sudo_maddash | roland: er, no. only if you run firefox. or similar. |
19:23.57 | wols | roland: no. X at most needs accelerated graphics. not CPU bound |
19:24.23 | sobersabre | I am trying to make an md device ( software raid ) from an existing partition. |
19:24.25 | roland | i dont run firefox at all on those pcs |
19:24.49 | sobersabre | I have created an md device with 1 disk missing ("missing" option) |
19:24.53 | roland | petemc: its all a matter of training myself in networking rather than needing raw power |
19:24.59 | roland | and a good cluster |
19:25.05 | roland | a old and rusty one is good if it works |
19:25.07 | sobersabre | I have copied all the data from the original partition to the new /dev/md1 |
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19:25.15 | runev | how do i set /media/cdrom to work as dvd://1 (this is what xine and mplayer keeps telling me it can't find) |
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19:25.21 | petemc | roland: oh, then fill your boots |
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19:25.25 | sobersabre | now I need to add the old one, but I get an error: not enough space. |
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19:25.46 | sobersabre | both disks are 250G ones. |
19:26.07 | sobersabre | one is Hitachi, another - Maxtor. ( IIRC ) |
19:26.43 | sobersabre | I have seen the new /dev/md1 pick up the data, all dates are ok, ownership too. |
19:27.37 | sobersabre | how can I reformat the 'old' partition to fit the mirror properly ? |
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19:27.51 | sobersabre | or maybe the new one ? |
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19:29.37 | tarzeau | i wants debian gnu/freedos |
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19:30.41 | wols | tarzeau: can't be. userland is not GNU as with GNU/Linux |
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19:31.39 | tarzeau | wols: many of the userland tools are gnu gpl? |
19:31.46 | tarzeau | wols: then just debian freedos... |
19:32.00 | mzilikazi | I assume there must be a good reason for sshd_config to default to "PermitRootLogin yes" but what is the reason? |
19:32.32 | tarzeau | mzilikazi: sudo is not default, root is the least account a machine needs to have |
19:32.45 | tarzeau | mzilikazi: and how else if not as root would you administer machines? |
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19:32.58 | mzilikazi | tarzeau: log in as user then su? |
19:33.02 | wols | tarzeau: debian always prompts you to create a user |
19:33.06 | wols | log in as user, then su |
19:33.06 | tarzeau | mzilikazi: if you are paranoid read !harden-doc |
19:33.12 | tarzeau | wols: you can skip that |
19:33.31 | sobersabre | mzilikazi: openssh server isn't installed by default. |
19:33.33 | tarzeau | wols: debian has ssh with PermitRootLogin yes |
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19:33.40 | tarzeau | wols: why do you tell me to log in as user then? |
19:34.06 | mzilikazi | sobersabre: yes i am aware of that |
19:34.14 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
19:34.20 | piztek3 | will beryl manager auto start every time? |
19:34.30 | sobersabre | mzilikazi: besides you can change it to "no" or "without-password" |
19:34.36 | wols | piztek3: put it in your xsession |
19:34.41 | wols | !xsession |
19:34.41 | dpkg | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
19:34.43 | tarzeau | wols: yes it could, and anyone who wouldn't want that could change it again. so what's the point of the discussion? |
19:34.53 | sobersabre | as you wish ( Princes Bride (c) ) |
19:34.56 | tarzeau | mzilikazi: you can do that, as you want |
19:34.59 | wols | tarzeau: secure defaults |
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19:35.14 | tarzeau | wols: allowing root logins isn't a less secure default |
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19:35.26 | tarzeau | wols: however allowing weak passwords is |
19:35.31 | wols | it's one more account exposed to outside |
19:35.54 | stoned | tarzeau: how was berlin |
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19:35.58 | pa7iQ | identify junkmail |
19:35.58 | tarzeau | wols: who cares if you have good passwords? |
19:36.13 | tarzeau | stoned: it was munchen, nice, http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/ see the vcfe2007 one |
19:36.17 | marc7 | are the cpp/gcc/g++ 3.x development packages still really necessary to install on etch with the advent of all the 4.x series versions? will some things refuse to compile under 4? |
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19:36.39 | stoned | tarzeau: omg! |
19:36.40 | tarzeau | marc7: no. yes. |
19:36.45 | stoned | tarzeau: reminds me of 6th grade |
19:36.45 | marc7 | cool. |
19:36.46 | stoned | lol |
19:37.39 | tarzeau | wols: having a car is one thing, not locking it another. the car is not less secure if it has some more doors (and even if you had different keys to them) |
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19:37.43 | wols | tarzeau: what needs gcc 3? |
19:37.56 | solemnwarning | Anyone know if 192.168.255.*, netmask 255.255.255.0 is a valid network? |
19:37.57 | tarzeau | wols: really one more account exposed outside is just a neutral sentence. not better, not worse |
19:38.17 | tarzeau | wols: there's some sources that don't build w/ 4. not necessarily free software |
19:38.19 | piztek3 | wols: where and how do i put it in my xsession? |
19:38.20 | stoned | tarzeau: my car has a biometric lock :) |
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19:38.28 | stoned | tarzeau: programmed for my fingers only |
19:38.37 | stoned | of course you can still break the glass |
19:38.37 | xingu | tarzeau: exposing a trusted account violates least privilege. |
19:38.40 | stew | stoned: its going to suck when you ahve to change fingers |
19:38.40 | tarzeau | stoned: i have a blessed +5 sharp knife |
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19:38.45 | stoned | stew: hahaha |
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19:38.54 | stoned | stew: actually I got it right after I moved to nyc |
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19:38.56 | stew | this is the major drawback to biometrics |
19:38.57 | wols | piztek3: you start by reading |
19:38.57 | BSDaemon|work | Good afternoon! |
19:39.01 | BSDaemon|work | I have two network cards in my box, one is onboard, the other is a card. The card is showing up as eth0 in ifconfig, the onboard one isn't showing up at all. Is there something I need to do to be able to use it? |
19:39.04 | stoned | crime rate = whoah up there |
19:39.07 | piztek3 | wols: can you just tell me? |
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19:39.27 | wols | piztek3: if you are to lazy to read, I am too lazy to tell you |
19:39.32 | tarzeau | BSDaemon|work: load its driver? |
19:39.34 | piztek3 | please dude |
19:39.35 | wols | piztek3: so we're even, k? |
19:39.40 | tarzeau | BSDaemon|work: does it show up in ifconfig -a? |
19:39.42 | stoned | wols: nice |
19:39.44 | piztek3 | wols: please! |
19:39.49 | stoned | hehe |
19:39.52 | BSDaemon|work | tarzeau: no sir. |
19:39.57 | wols | BSDaemon|work: ifconfig -a. does it show now? |
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19:40.43 | BSDaemon|work | nope. |
19:40.56 | piztek3 | wols: can't i put a startup in /home/me/autostart |
19:40.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://kangaroos.istheshit.net/ |
19:41.11 | xingu | tarzeau: there's two vectors to consider; strength/weakness of passwords, and bugs; a strong password is a statement that the accessing the account is improbable; permitrootlogin allows you to deny front-door authentication outright. |
19:41.24 | wols | piztek3: ~/autostart? are you windows damaged? |
19:41.37 | piztek3 | yes |
19:41.42 | piztek3 | yes i am! |
19:41.46 | wols | BSDaemon|work: lspci -v. does it show there? |
19:41.49 | JosefAssad | heh |
19:41.55 | piztek3 | wols: seriously i need this to work |
19:41.55 | wols | !Pity piztek3 |
19:41.56 | dpkg | I pity da fool piztek3! |
19:42.01 | piztek3 | can you please tell me :( |
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19:42.12 | tarzeau | xingu: only if the key is right? |
19:42.13 | wols | piztek3: dpkg already told you. scroll up |
19:42.20 | wols | !tell piztek3 about xsession |
19:42.22 | FuzzyB | Could someone tell me how to force the nfs server in debian to a certain version? |
19:42.32 | xingu | tarzeau: so does a locked root account or an appropriately crafted pam setup of course; but it's one more knob to misconfigure, defense in depth, and all that tosh. |
19:42.49 | streuner | FuzzyB: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
19:42.57 | piztek3 | okay too confusing |
19:42.57 | FuzzyB | stby |
19:42.58 | BSDaemon|work | wols: no sir. only the card shows. |
19:43.12 | wols | xingu: something like: do security like a landwar in asia: defense in depth? |
19:43.34 | wols | BSDaemon|work: how do you know you have a onboard nic? |
19:43.43 | wols | if it's not showing in lspci in any way, it's not there... |
19:43.48 | BSDaemon|work | wols: because i looked at the box |
19:44.03 | wols | BSDaemon|work: upgrade-pciids |
19:44.03 | mzilikazi | piztek3: yeah you can add beryl-manager to your startup script but the actual method varies depending on your window manager |
19:44.23 | xingu | tarzeau: by front-door I mean that if the authentication code itself is buggy/ suspected to be buggy, there's other aspects to consider; the design center is least-privilege - why on earth do you /need/ remote root login? :) |
19:44.28 | wols | BSDaemon|work: update-pciids rather |
19:44.40 | piztek3 | mzilikazi: where is the startup script |
19:45.00 | tarzeau | xingu: manage a bunch of computers? not like it's not possible without |
19:45.03 | wols | piztek3: now guess what ~/.xsession is? think hard |
19:45.06 | tarzeau | xingu: but it really doesn't matter |
19:45.17 | xingu | tarzeau: it does if all your other defenses fail. |
19:45.26 | FuzzyB | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
19:45.26 | tarzeau | xingu: what other defenses? |
19:45.36 | mzilikazi | piztek3: again - it depends on your window manager |
19:45.43 | tarzeau | xingu: there's a war? someone wants to break into my computer? krum.ethz.ch ? |
19:45.43 | xingu | tarzeau: the ones protecting your supposedly strong password from interception |
19:45.49 | streuner | FuzzyB: and what version do you need? |
19:45.56 | FuzzyB | nfs v3 |
19:45.58 | FuzzyB | on the server |
19:46.00 | wols | tarzeau: all seven hundred of us do |
19:46.01 | FuzzyB | i think it's running v4 |
19:46.06 | tarzeau | wols: go ahead |
19:46.19 | tarzeau | wols: it allows root logins |
19:46.23 | wols | one half wants to look at your pr0n stash, the other half wants to use you as a free ftp for their pr0n stash |
19:47.13 | FuzzyB | so true |
19:47.13 | mzilikazi | piztek3: in xfce4 it's ~/.config/autostart/Autostart.desktop |
19:47.13 | tarzeau | wols: zero porn @work |
19:47.13 | tarzeau | wols: and it has 100mbit internet |
19:47.14 | tarzeau | and a 500 gb disk |
19:47.14 | wols | whoohooo! free dump! |
19:47.14 | BSDaemon|work | wols: it says command not found sir |
19:47.16 | xingu | tarzeau: it's totally theoretical; you're dealing with small improbabilities, not dead-certs or even possibilities; but closing every point of access down to the narrowest credential/trust required with the strongest authentication possible is good-fu |
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19:47.38 | xingu | tarzeau: it's an easy enough habit to develop and it leaves you with rich audit trails to boot. |
19:47.54 | wols | BSDaemon|work: install pciutils |
19:48.01 | barretj | is there any way to get rsync to list all files, even the ones that are already up to date? |
19:48.08 | JosefAssad | bloody mosquitoes... |
19:48.21 | barretj | i tried using the -ii option, but then it also lists symlink information |
19:48.27 | wols | BSDaemon|work: btw, I'm no "sir". I'm just a regular asshole |
19:48.38 | tarzeau | xingu: thank you i have read !harden-doc |
19:49.10 | barretj | and it's possible that there could be files with '->' or '=>' in their names |
19:49.10 | xingu | tarzeau: it should be renamed make-more-fragile-doc ;) |
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19:49.14 | BSDaemon|work | wols: just trying to be polite, asshole. |
19:49.15 | BSDaemon|work | :) |
19:49.30 | wols | BSDaemon|work: now you're acclimatizing to #debian |
19:49.33 | BSDaemon|work | hah |
19:49.42 | BSDaemon|work | :D |
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19:50.21 | tarzeau | xingu, wols how do you for a in many many2 many3 hosts; do ssh root@$a "echo fix something here and there"; done ? |
19:50.21 | tarzeau | xingu: i mean if you're in a hurry and don't want to be interactive |
19:50.21 | tarzeau | sudo does have its security history too.. you were talking about su... |
19:50.27 | tarzeau | not all hosts necessariy have all users (it's a NIS environment) |
19:50.27 | streuner | FuzzyB: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ read section A4 |
19:50.29 | stew | i almost want on anti-asshole autopilot until i saw the smileys :) |
19:50.33 | FuzzyB | thank you |
19:50.41 | FuzzyB | i was already there |
19:50.47 | FuzzyB | when i try that |
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19:51.06 | FuzzyB | 'vers=4' is not supported. Use '-t nfs4' instead. |
19:51.14 | BSDaemon|work | wols: I think I'm just gonna toss in another NIC instead of mucking with it. |
19:51.24 | FuzzyB | that's what i get for an answer out of a client if i try to force it to 4 |
19:51.30 | Kalisto | can anyone tell me how to get aspell to work with Texmaker? i have aspell installed on my system. but there is no option in texmaker to specify a spell checker |
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19:51.45 | xingu | tarzeau: expect! ;) |
19:51.54 | wols | BSDaemon|work: all I can think of is a NIC disabled in BIOS. untill you see the NIC in lspci -v, linux has of course no chance of using it |
19:51.55 | tarzeau | xingu: PLEASE! |
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19:52.19 | BSDaemon|work | wols: yeah, probably true. |
19:52.29 | BSDaemon|work | wols: thanks for the help, i really appreciate it |
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19:52.34 | tarzeau | xingu: i dare you, i'll kill da pengaroo http://penguin.istheshit.net/ |
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19:53.27 | gonzaloaf | hi I have changed all my locales from utf-8 to iso8859-1 but in my /etc/environment I still have: LANG="es_PE.UTF-8" |
19:53.30 | gonzaloaf | why? |
19:53.40 | tarzeau | gonzaloaf: you didn't change it there? |
19:53.54 | chops | gonzaloaf: I'd recommend changing /etc/environment by hand |
19:53.59 | peterS | gonzaloaf: these days 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' changes /etc/default/locale |
19:54.04 | gonzaloaf | tarzeau, nop, I just runL dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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19:54.20 | xingu | tarzeau: depends on the system; the nub of your question is - should there be a way to escalate privilege without a challenge/response |
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19:54.42 | gonzaloaf | chops, you'd recommend o wouldnt recommend? |
19:55.02 | chops | gonzaloaf: I would recommend |
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19:55.32 | xingu | tarzeau: I've solved the problem in the past with a trusted key login to the account that owns the application binaries; I've also done quick and dirty key login to root |
19:55.32 | gonzaloaf | peterS, but after run dpkg-reconfigure it is not supposed to change by itself? |
19:55.37 | chops | gonzaloaf: In general, anything in /etc is there for you to change to make it work. The Debian system will make some effort to keep it correct, but... |
19:55.37 | gonzaloaf | chops, why? |
19:55.48 | peterS | gonzaloaf: I told you, it changes /etc/default/locale now, not /etc/environment |
19:56.06 | peterS | gonzaloaf: you should probably just remove that line from /etc/environment and let the other one work |
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19:56.38 | marc7 | could someone give me the two cent explanation between gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.1-base... I'm guessing the 'base' package includes some required operating system elements but no compiler binaries... which is what the straight gcc-4.1 package satisfies |
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19:56.50 | xingu | tarzeau: but you've just flagged the reason why I got out of security as a career path - to me, pretty much every security issue quickly devolves to being a deployment/ provisioning problem |
19:57.35 | xingu | tarzeau: solve the "how do I change the environment quickly" and the rest falls into line; these days I work with systems and applications that are designed to be reprovisioned quickly. |
19:58.01 | gonzaloaf | peterS, how can I do to set my system in one language but keeping my country's locales? I mean the currency, time format, etc. |
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19:58.06 | streuner | FuzzyB: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
19:58.18 | FuzzyB | stby |
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19:59.01 | mark_s | we have a 3ware raid controller with 256MB memory on our debian etch system. When the MacOsx clients write a file to the server. It doesn't show up immediately it takes about 30 seconds to appear. why is that? |
19:59.07 | peterS | gonzaloaf: that is what the various LC_* variables are for. LC_MESSAGES is for language, LC_CTYPE is for character set. so you can set those independently of the others. |
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19:59.45 | gikid | Ladies and gentlemen |
19:59.50 | gonzaloaf | peterS, in /etc/environment right? |
19:59.53 | gikid | I have an announcement |
19:59.56 | gikid | TITS |
20:00.02 | gikid | that is all |
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20:00.06 | peterS | gonzaloaf: sure |
20:00.10 | FuzzyB | Linux version 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 12:49:59 CEST 2007 |
20:00.32 | gonzaloaf | peterS, so the correct way is to set dpkg-reconfigure locales in spanish and then just set the environment variables to english? |
20:00.37 | SoulChild | Hey guys,... how do i add "testing" and "unstable" packages to my sources ??? |
20:00.42 | FuzzyB | it's a x64 etch box |
20:00.48 | SoulChild | i mean where do i get the links from |
20:01.06 | streuner | !bobbitt |
20:01.06 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
20:01.21 | mzilikazi | bahaha |
20:01.24 | peterS | gonzaloaf: if you need to set those variables separately, the actual default locale from 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' isn't too important - you just need to select the list of locales you want generated (for all those purposes - currency, time, charset, language). |
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20:01.44 | SoulChild | streuner: war das für mich ? |
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20:01.58 | streuner | SoulChild: klar ;-) |
20:02.21 | peterS | gonzaloaf: indeed, most of those - language, currency, time - are rather personal and probably should be set in $HOME/.bashrc and similar anyway. I mean if you have multiple users, they might have different preferences. |
20:02.22 | streuner | SoulChild: if you looking for something to shoot yourself into your foot, just go ahead :-) |
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20:02.33 | SoulChild | ??? |
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20:02.52 | wols | SoulChild: you stay with one branch of debian. mixing them is a good way to fuck up your system |
20:02.55 | wols | so don't do it |
20:02.59 | gonzaloaf | peterS, sure, thanks buddy |
20:03.36 | streuner | FuzzyB: iam out of ideas, etch just support NFSv4 |
20:03.45 | FuzzyB | kk |
20:03.46 | FuzzyB | thanks |
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20:04.25 | streuner | FuzzyB: you are using nfs-kernel-server, right? |
20:04.34 | FuzzyB | no |
20:04.36 | FuzzyB | i'm not |
20:05.00 | streuner | install that on your server |
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20:05.51 | FuzzyB | i'll try it |
20:05.53 | streuner | !info nfs-kernel-server |
20:05.58 | dpkg | nfs-kernel-server: (support for NFS kernel server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
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20:07.08 | Chris-NB | hi |
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20:08.24 | Chris-NB | If I use the kernel from the dep packet (linux-image) how 'secure' is an upgrade to a new version (from deb) |
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20:08.34 | Chris-NB | or, would you do such an upgrade remotly? |
20:08.58 | chops | Chris-NB: I would do such an upgrade remotely, but I would bite my nails a lot |
20:08.59 | wols | of ot |
20:09.08 | wols | if it'S stable: fairly "secure" |
20:09.30 | Chris-NB | chops, that's what I feel right now : / |
20:09.35 | chops | Chris-NB: It might be worth talking to your hosting people about when you're going to do it, so they can have someone ready to go hands-on if necessary (and so you can do it at a convenient time for them) |
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20:09.43 | untitled | anyone noticed that ktorrent is crashing in etch4.0? |
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20:09.54 | untitled | with "authentication failure" reason in logfile |
20:09.56 | chops | Chris-NB: Not that doing that helped, the last time a remote reboot went sour for me #$*&#$ |
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20:10.19 | Chris-NB | chops, it's my own server but it's in my office and I'm at home so I've to go there if something happens : D |
20:10.26 | chops | untitled: Checked the BTS? |
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20:10.36 | untitled | chops: what are they? |
20:10.37 | chops | Chris-NB: Is there any reason you can't wait a few days until you can be in the office? |
20:10.44 | chops | !tell untitled about bts |
20:11.21 | Chris-NB | chops, nop, there is no reason. but I want to inform myself if I can/could/should do that remotly |
20:11.47 | Chris-NB | chops, I'm there tomorrow morning, but now I'm not disturbing anyone |
20:12.35 | chops | Chris-NB: Theoretically it's safe (if it's stable; if it's not a stable upgrade you're asking to get screwed). If you can go in if anything goes wrong, and if today is a less disruptive time for a reboot than tomorrow will be, then I say go for it. |
20:12.39 | Chris-NB | wols, it's stable |
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20:13.22 | untitled | chops: found nothing usefull in there..=\ |
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20:14.02 | chops | Chris-NB: It's not so much that the new kernel might have broken something, as that something might have changed in the interim that makes your system not boot correctly. My hosting people peeing all over /etc/network/interfaces without telling me was what screwed me, for example. |
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20:15.16 | chops | untitled: If it's crashing, I'd recommend filing a bug. Even if something is set up incorrectly on your system, an actual seg fault is never correct behavior. |
20:15.28 | enouf | sounds like the best time might be an hour before you go into work ;-) ... IOW at a time when; "well, i was going in anyway" |
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20:16.21 | fluff | I've just finished installing the debian etch from a netinst. Problem is network device isn't working (not even found). I cannot figure this out since the installer itself used the networking device to get files needed for install. Any hints? |
20:16.22 | Chris-NB | chops, my hosting people is me, so If I change something I should know it ; ) |
20:16.39 | wols | fluff: what network card? |
20:16.49 | wols | fluff: is the device showing in ifconfig -a? |
20:16.54 | fluff | It isn't. |
20:17.04 | fluff | It's an onboard on an Asus A8V-E SE card. |
20:17.06 | wols | then no driver is loaded |
20:17.09 | wols | lspci -v |
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20:17.29 | fluff | Some broadcom I suspect, trying |
20:17.29 | chops | Chris-NB: Fair enough. |
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20:17.45 | nikin | hy... how can i upgrade from etch to sid? |
20:17.51 | wols | Marvell 88E8053 controller it seems |
20:18.10 | chops | nikin: If you have to ask you may not want to upgrade to sid... it breaks badly sometimes, and you need to know how to fix it. |
20:18.12 | fluff | Doesn't sound wrong :) What to look for in the printout? |
20:18.13 | cydork | !iyhtaysdi nikin |
20:18.24 | cydork | !iyhtays nikin |
20:18.24 | dpkg | nikin: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
20:18.34 | wols | fluff: lspci -v. look for Ethernet |
20:18.38 | Decepticon | how do i use a .deb file |
20:18.45 | Chris-NB | chops, k, I'll reboot my box : D |
20:18.46 | cydork | Decepticon: man dpkg |
20:18.48 | wols | Decepticon: dpkg -i. man dpkg |
20:18.50 | chops | nikin: Have you considered testing instead? Why do you need to upgrade? |
20:18.53 | untitled | chops: it is not a segfault, tail logfile gives me "authentication to 'ip address' : failure |
20:19.01 | untitled | and then crash |
20:19.09 | chops | untitled: What do you mean by 'crash'? |
20:19.21 | untitled | chops: chops ktorrent crashes ;) |
20:19.34 | chops | untitled: The window closes suddenly with no explanation, you mean? |
20:19.35 | nikin | chops: XFCE4.4.1 is the main reason... and Anjuta 2.x and so on... so i need some newer stuff |
20:19.41 | fluff | The word 'ethernet' doesn't even come up in that whole printout (lspci -v). |
20:19.49 | chops | nikin: I'd try testing first :-) |
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20:20.01 | nikin | chops: ok |
20:20.03 | untitled | chops: dunno how, i didn't see it, just came over and saw no ktorrent running anymore |
20:21.05 | nikin | chops: and how to do that? |
20:21.07 | chops | untitled: Hm, if you have some idea of what happened or how to reproduce it then I recommend filing a bug... but without more details the maintainer is not likely to be able to help you much. If you don't know what happened, how should he? :-) |
20:21.35 | Decepticon | ok i have sarge right now. i want to be able to put etch on my machine and still have all my stuff, all i need to do is take everything (the .settings files) and save them to a backup while i install etch? |
20:21.44 | enouf | fluff: lspci | grep -i eth |
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20:22.14 | wols | Decepticon: while a backup is always good, usually not necessary with a debian upgrade |
20:22.17 | enouf | fluff: you sure the installer didn't use any Gbit ieee1394/ohci device? |
20:22.26 | Decepticon | wols what do you mean its not necessary |
20:23.13 | wols | Decepticon: if you backup /etc, /home and depemding what you run /var, you are covered |
20:23.13 | fluff | Wow, sorry, I missed that. Says 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Tehnology [..] etc. |
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20:23.14 | wols | Decepticon: you jsut upgrade and your stuff, data and settings are still there |
20:23.14 | enouf | er etc is important ;-P |
20:23.14 | nikin | what xfce4 verson is in testing? |
20:23.14 | chops | nikin: Change 'stable' or 'etch' to 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade. Be careful; even testing breaks sometimes, and there's no way to downgrade back to etch if you don't like it. |
20:23.14 | Decepticon | wols is there a way i can update to etch without having to reformat |
20:23.14 | chops | !info xfce4 testing |
20:23.17 | dpkg | xfce4: (Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
20:23.18 | wols | chops: testing is not etch |
20:23.28 | wols | !tell Decepticon about sarge->etch |
20:23.29 | fluff | I'm quite sure the installer downloaded much of the system whilst installing (the desktop environment presumably). |
20:23.38 | chops | wols: When did I say it was? |
20:23.54 | wols | chops: sry. msiread |
20:24.07 | nikin | chops: thats no problem.. until the kernel dont breaks :D |
20:24.33 | Decepticon | wols that sounds like a lot of crap i dont want to do |
20:24.47 | Decepticon | its easier for me to just format and update |
20:24.58 | wols | Decepticon: it's definitely a lot less crap than reinstalling |
20:25.12 | wols | Decepticon: it certainly is not easire to reformat |
20:25.38 | fluff | I have to say I'm not quite sure on what to do with this newfound information. Is there a command or something that lets me enable this device? (still talking about networking) |
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20:25.55 | wols | fluff: modprobe the driver |
20:25.57 | chops | Decepticon: The upgrade process for Debian is substantially easier than for most OSes. That is to say, it more or less works correctly. |
20:26.14 | wols | then edit /etc/interaces (usually 2 simple lines only) |
20:26.18 | wols | then you're done |
20:26.26 | enouf | !tell fluff anout which driver |
20:26.31 | fluff | Thanks, will figure that out :) |
20:26.35 | enouf | !tell fluff about which driver |
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20:26.49 | wols | Decepticon: put it antoher way, debian is almost the only OS designed to be upgraded constantly this way |
20:28.28 | untitled | chops: i guess i just have to write a script to look up for ktorrent in ps aux every 2 minutes, by the way, do you now how to bash this: if not found in process list? |
20:29.05 | plundra | /"/lastlog -file ~/nic_irssi/#debian -yes" |
20:29.12 | chops | untitled: if ps -Af | grep -v grep | grep -q ktorrent; then echo yes; fi |
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20:30.01 | untitled | chops: i mean if it is not found |
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20:30.36 | chops | untitled: Use a ! |
20:30.44 | untitled | oh ok |
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20:30.46 | untitled | thanks |
20:30.49 | chops | untitled: np |
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20:31.30 | Decepticon | is this the correct netinst for the latest debian etch ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
20:32.12 | guiss | I've got problems trying to download java applets in Iceweasel with ipv6 enabled. Anyone knows where I could find some info about this? |
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20:33.25 | Chris-NB | chops, my box restarted successfully : D |
20:33.32 | chops | Chris-NB: Rock and roll |
20:33.45 | Chris-NB | chops, jep! |
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20:34.38 | khaleel5000 | i have debian etch (got the ISO in november 2006 when it was frozen). I have USR 56k External modem, I use pppconfig to configure/maintain my INternet connection .I havee thsi problem http://rafb.net/p/qGjVa039.html [i am not issueing SIGHUP to my modem] |
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20:40.07 | yumigator | I accidentally added a CD twice with apt-cdrom. Is is smart enough not to add the same CD a second time or do I need to remove it? |
20:40.09 | jelly-home | khaleel5000: I have no idea, but try enabling debug to see more details, maybe something helpful will pop up |
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20:40.59 | wols | khaleel5000: tried atdtw or atdt,, to dial? |
20:41.09 | jelly-home | khaleel5000: note that some of the debug data might end in /var/log/kern.log |
20:41.14 | wols | khaleel5000: also you should update/uprgade your debian |
20:41.40 | wols | yumigator: look int your sources.list |
20:41.59 | sanelson | how does one get rsync to synchronise two dirs? ie to make them identical, even if that means pushing in one direction and pulling in the other? |
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20:42.37 | jelly-home | wols: hm, if pppd establishes the line and runs for a short time, what would a pause do? |
20:42.56 | khaleel5000 | wols: how do i change atdtw or atdt to dial ? |
20:43.11 | jelly-home | sanelson: hm. Maybe use something like unison for that? |
20:43.41 | khaleel5000 | jelly-home: i have asked to nano /var..... but it seems to be quite a bit file (even for my 1gb ram p4 , its still workign) |
20:43.41 | jelly-home | !info unison etch |
20:43.46 | dpkg | unison: (A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows), section net, is optional. Version: 2.13.16-5 (etch), Packaged size: 466 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB |
20:44.11 | jelly-home | khaleel5000: use less to look at logs (or other long text files) |
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20:44.53 | sanelson | thing is - I used rsync to make a copy of somene's machine; the user then used the machine with the copy on it, and has added files to it; now they have their old machine back - I want to sync the two dirs, so th eold machine has the chnages from the new |
20:45.10 | yumigator | It's only in there once, but that's been overwritten (also by accident). Could you post your /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list and I'll compare? |
20:45.48 | jelly-home | sanelson: so rsync using new as source and old as destination? |
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20:47.00 | jelly-home | sanelson: rsync has a lot of options, -u, --update -- skip files that are newer on the receiver might be helpful |
20:47.16 | jelly-home | sanelson: if you've changed files on both ends |
20:47.20 | valdyn | khaleel5000: why do you not have a dialtone? |
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20:50.29 | yumigator | wols: my /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list has the same ID in there twice (I only have one CD), does yours? |
20:51.47 | karsten | What tools are recommended for panorama stitching w/ gimp? I've found hugin and eblend, any experiences w/ either? Also autopano-sift |
20:52.15 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: well sometimes if you pick up the phoe and put it back and re pick it with like VERY little gap , it goes 'dead' for a while , so it might have disconnected or something and i might have picked it up or retried to connect immediately and recieved this error |
20:52.41 | zinx | karsten: hugin and enblend (and possibly autopano-sift) are your best bets - they work pretty well as far as panorama software goes |
20:52.59 | zinx | at least newer versions of hugin.. old ones liked to crash a whole lot :D |
20:53.40 | valdyn | khaleel5000: ah, ok, so that's not your issue.. |
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20:55.16 | wols | yumigator: I don't have any CDs in there. I only update over the netwrok |
20:55.19 | valdyn | khaleel5000: you have dial on demand on / always on off |
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20:56.26 | yumigator | wols: I guess I'll just do some trial and error then. |
20:56.28 | yumigator | thanks |
20:56.44 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: its off |
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20:57.21 | karsten | zinx: Danke |
20:57.30 | valdyn | khaleel5000: what's your issue then? |
20:57.34 | khaleel5000 | wols: are atdt.... modem init strings? |
20:57.40 | valdyn | khaleel5000: see if the connection persists if you keep a ping running |
20:57.49 | yumigator | wols: I deleted one entry and updated; nothing happened so I guess I'm alright now. |
20:58.09 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: my line gets disconnected (sometimes) very frequently and error i get is SIGHUP [i am not the one issueing sighup] |
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20:58.53 | valdyn | khaleel5000: no, but it hangs up automagically when there's no traffic |
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21:00.43 | gonzaloaf | Kevin`, are you there? |
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21:02.13 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: so it can be chnaged by ? Persist disabled Turn persist on or off [changing persistant on to Enabled] ? |
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21:02.37 | valdyn | khaleel5000: guess so, its been years since i used this |
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21:03.39 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: no sorry , there is an option for Idle timeout (its selected to none) whats idle timeout [If you want this PPP link to shut down automatically when it has been idle │ │ for a certain number of seconds, put that number here. Leave this blank │ │ if you want no idle shutdown at all |
21:03.53 | karsten | Um, how do I handle exif w/ gimp? |
21:04.00 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: so i guess its not that issue |
21:04.18 | valdyn | khaleel5000: that's the default? |
21:05.07 | Vladi | hi, is there a bash equivalent shell that logs everything to a file so i can monitor a specific user? |
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21:05.34 | karsten | Vladi: tcpspy. Bash logs to history, but only on exit. |
21:05.40 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: yeah thats the default |
21:05.52 | karsten | Vladi: We might ask why you want to do that. |
21:06.28 | Vladi | karsten: we have a consoltant that wants root on a box i want to give him a special shell but log all his session |
21:06.42 | tsurko | hello, could you tell me which tool is used if i want to scan for available wireless networks? |
21:07.49 | khaleel5000 | jelly-home: i am going down the kern.log ,but its like STUCK at this http://rafb.net/p/qRZdfU30.html |
21:08.05 | karsten | Vladi: bash history logs what happens. Running in typescript as well. |
21:08.46 | mzilikazi | tstplsignr: iwlist |
21:08.46 | karsten | Vladi: If he's root he can detect and/or change either. I'd have him run under typescript and know that you're doing it. |
21:08.46 | mzilikazi | errr @ tsurko |
21:08.58 | tsurko | mzilikazi, thank you |
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21:09.17 | mzilikazi | tsurko: np |
21:09.38 | DDubya | I'm running the htop command, and under the variable labeled NI (after PID, USER, PRI) my perl daemon is marked in red "15". What does this mean?? |
21:09.39 | tsurko | I remember it was something like that, but didn't know it's in wireless-tools.. |
21:09.51 | jduggan_ | does anyone know a useable torrent client for console that ships in debian etch? |
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21:10.39 | Killux | how do I install the kernel sources |
21:10.56 | Killux | for kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
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21:11.28 | vietamine | hello |
21:11.59 | FuzzyB | Killux: use apt-cache and search for kernel sources |
21:12.02 | tsurko | judgen_, rtorrnet? |
21:12.15 | vietamine | anyone can help me disable an kernel module plz ? |
21:12.17 | tsurko | ups, my mistake |
21:12.17 | Killux | the kernel sources will be located here correct /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build ? |
21:12.21 | vietamine | i tried to modify udev.rules |
21:12.25 | vietamine | to get it ignored |
21:12.29 | FuzzyB | Killux: no /usr/src |
21:12.29 | vietamine | but still load at boot |
21:12.32 | tsurko | jduggan_, rtorrent? |
21:12.38 | Killux | whats located there then? |
21:12.45 | FuzzyB | kernel modules |
21:12.49 | FuzzyB | binaries |
21:12.54 | Killux | Makefile:24: *** Kernel in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build is not configured. Stop. |
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21:13.07 | Killux | Im trying to compile a wireless driver and i get that error |
21:13.08 | FuzzyB | your in the wrong directory |
21:13.27 | Killux | that directory doesnt even exist on my machine |
21:13.36 | FuzzyB | that's because you haven't installed the kernel sources |
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21:14.02 | Killux | ok, so I should just install the sources and everything should be fine? |
21:14.07 | FuzzyB | no |
21:14.16 | FuzzyB | you should read up on kernels and debian and know what your doing first |
21:14.16 | naitram | how do you set up a script to run as a daemon? I Have a php script I would like to run in the background on startup |
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21:14.44 | Killux | FuzzyB: thats pretty broad |
21:15.02 | FuzzyB | naitram: i'm not sure if php can do what you need, but you can write a perl wrapper to turn it into a daemon |
21:15.02 | FuzzyB | Killux: so's your statements but whatever |
21:15.19 | vietamine | naitram : i think you should specify the interpreter at beginning of the file |
21:15.19 | Killux | how are my statements broad? |
21:15.29 | Killux | im just asking what that error means |
21:15.32 | DDubya | Killux: Its not windows |
21:15.52 | Killux | yea, I think im that far DDubya |
21:15.57 | DDubya | good =) |
21:16.31 | FuzzyB | Killux: and i told you, you need to read before you even think your going to compile a driver. You have shown us that you don't know how to compile a kernel yet, and that's really a pre-rec. for doing this |
21:16.58 | FuzzyB | if you can't compile a kernel what makes you think you can compile a driver? |
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21:17.08 | vietamine | FuzzyB : plz could you help me disable a module with udev ? |
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21:17.22 | FuzzyB | vietamine: what module? |
21:17.26 | FuzzyB | and it's not udev that you disable it by |
21:17.28 | vietamine | i tried to modify udev.rules with option "ignore_device" |
21:17.30 | FuzzyB | udev is your device tree |
21:17.39 | vietamine | yep |
21:17.39 | vietamine | but |
21:17.40 | FuzzyB | just blacklist the module |
21:17.49 | Killux | well FuzzyB can you provide me with some links at least/ |
21:17.52 | vietamine | i did : modprobe -r bcm43xx |
21:17.54 | Killux | *? |
21:17.55 | vietamine | depmod -a |
21:17.59 | vietamine | etc... |
21:18.02 | FuzzyB | Killux: yes hang on |
21:18.04 | vietamine | but still loading at boot time |
21:18.19 | FuzzyB | Killux: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
21:18.29 | FuzzyB | !dpkg blacklist modules |
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21:19.02 | purplepenguins | it's my birthday |
21:19.04 | purplepenguins | go me |
21:19.21 | vietamine | the reason why i want it to be ignored it is the support is bad for my model and i need to run ndiswrapper to use it |
21:19.30 | FuzzyB | vietamine: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112273 |
21:19.31 | vietamine | so i don't want it from the kernel anymore |
21:19.32 | nhuisman_work | hi fuzzy |
21:19.44 | FuzzyB | helo |
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21:19.57 | FuzzyB | what's up |
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21:20.08 | nhuisman_work | not much, just got done unpacking a new printer |
21:20.14 | nhuisman_work | gotta add it to my cups server now |
21:20.20 | FuzzyB | fun fun |
21:20.31 | wintix | fun, if it's post script capable. |
21:20.34 | nhuisman_work | yeah, more fun then helping users with their email :P |
21:20.55 | Killux | so FuzzyB do I need to compile my kernel before I can compile and load drivers from sourcde? |
21:20.58 | Killux | *source |
21:21.07 | FuzzyB | no you don't |
21:21.09 | nhuisman_work | postscript level 3 |
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21:21.24 | dZen|n| | nhuisman_work: hahah, "what should I write in pop3 ? " |
21:21.29 | FuzzyB | but you should know how to compile a kernel before you start compiling drivers |
21:22.01 | Killux | to tell you the truth, I didnt really understand the link you gave me |
21:22.08 | vietamine | thx FuzzyB i will try it now :) |
21:22.31 | FuzzyB | Killux: and that's my point |
21:22.32 | Killux | do you know of any links that give an intro to kernels and compiling them? =] |
21:22.41 | nhuisman_work | popsecret.orville.redenbachers |
21:22.48 | FuzzyB | !dpkg compile kernel |
21:23.03 | vietamine | FuzzyB : i have no modprobe.conf should i create it or see in modprobe.d dir ? |
21:23.10 | wintix | !kernel compile |
21:23.10 | dpkg | well, kernel compile is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
21:23.26 | FuzzyB | there you go Killux |
21:23.32 | FuzzyB | wintix++ |
21:23.38 | Killux | thanks. |
21:23.41 | vietamine | FuzzyB : sorry seen blacklist file in modprobe.d |
21:23.45 | FuzzyB | vietamine: yea |
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21:25.17 | nhuisman_work | "compile kernel" ----> pop pop pop pop pop.. |
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21:25.46 | FuzzyB | if he would just read he'd know he only needs the headers |
21:25.57 | FuzzyB | but o well you can lead a horse to water but you can't beat them into drinking |
21:26.18 | nhuisman_work | their's always a syringe |
21:26.22 | karsten | FuzzyB: As my grandfather always said... |
21:26.22 | khaleel5000 | my /var/log/kern.log is 143 mb , is it safe to delete it? |
21:26.35 | karsten | FuzzyB: ... you can lead a horse to a bar, but if he drinks, you've *really* got problems. |
21:26.35 | amphi | !seen maddash |
21:26.35 | dpkg | maddash <n=maddash@unaffiliated/maddash> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 46m 28s ago, saying: 'flyinflash: no.'. |
21:26.36 | FuzzyB | sure just remember to touch the file |
21:26.43 | karsten | FuzzyB: ...not to mention one heck of a tab. |
21:26.44 | FuzzyB | and install logrotate |
21:26.56 | FuzzyB | no shit |
21:26.56 | nhuisman_work | that isn't installed by default in debian? |
21:27.04 | FuzzyB | it should be |
21:27.05 | vietamine | FuzzyB : it works great, thx a lot |
21:27.09 | FuzzyB | np |
21:27.43 | FuzzyB | karsten: i know horses that love beer |
21:28.00 | karsten | FuzzyB: So ... |
21:28.07 | karsten | FuzzyB: ... what's _your_ bar tab look like? |
21:28.09 | nhuisman_work | sounds like a good way to break your neck, riding a drunk horse, heh |
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21:28.26 | FuzzyB | karsten: generally only two beers |
21:28.31 | nhuisman_work | 5 gallons of new castle. |
21:28.41 | nhuisman_work | and guniness |
21:28.49 | nhuisman_work | Guinness |
21:28.52 | karsten | nhuisman_work: Think of it as early work on ethonol-powered transportation. |
21:28.52 | FuzzyB | nhuisman_work: you know how much beer it would take to get a horse drunk? |
21:29.03 | nhuisman_work | i'm just guessing 5 gallons would probably do it |
21:29.08 | FuzzyB | hrm |
21:29.09 | karsten | FuzzyB: If you could drink a horse, I'd pay to watch. |
21:29.16 | FuzzyB | heh |
21:29.18 | nhuisman_work | uhhh karsten, lol |
21:29.35 | nhuisman_work | lol |
21:29.36 | FuzzyB | jk |
21:29.43 | wintix | you just have to work it through a mixer. |
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21:30.05 | nhuisman_work | well lets see |
21:30.10 | karsten | FuzzyB: Didn't say I'd pay a lot. |
21:30.51 | FuzzyB | i didn't say the dvd had anything on it |
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21:31.18 | karsten | FuzzyB: It's the old exploding penny trick, you see. |
21:31.22 | FuzzyB | ah |
21:31.28 | FuzzyB | damm meddling kids |
21:31.31 | nhuisman_work | take your average woman, ~120lbs : probably take about a six pack to get them drunk. A horse is ~1200lbs, so 10x that. 6x12ozx10 = 720 / 128 = 5.625 gallons |
21:31.32 | nhuisman_work | lol |
21:31.36 | nhuisman_work | how good of a guess was that |
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21:31.41 | scyrma | when I try "glxgears", the whole system freezes for 5 seconds, then I get a (decent?) 245fps display. If the cursor moves in ou out of the window, everything freezes again (for 5 sec). Any ideas? |
21:31.43 | FuzzyB | hey wait i have a bac calculator |
21:31.46 | FuzzyB | gimmie a second |
21:31.46 | muhoo_ | using intel chip and Xorg, how can i set up a laptop to use both the internal lcd and the external analog monitor, when both have different resolutions and timings? |
21:32.29 | muhoo_ | i.e. the internal lcd is 1200x800, the external is 1440x900, different aspect ratios, and different hsync/vsync intervals too |
21:32.31 | FuzzyB | if a 1000 lb horse drinks 40 beers in one hour it's bac is 0.1377 |
21:32.55 | karsten | scyrma: Yeah. |
21:32.56 | FuzzyB | muhoo_: i'm not sure if that is possible |
21:32.59 | karsten | scyrma: Don't do that ;-) |
21:33.00 | muhoo_ | nhuisman_work: you are trying to get a horse drunk and take advantage of it??! |
21:33.07 | muhoo_ | that's fucked up |
21:33.16 | nhuisman_work | fun and profit.... |
21:33.23 | FuzzyB | hey anything to make a buck |
21:33.23 | Killux | FuzzyB: i cant seem to find the package name for the kernel sources |
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21:33.33 | scyrma | karsten, I wouldn't ... but I have the same problem with other apps, like openoffice ... |
21:33.35 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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21:33.42 | scyrma | I thought it would be opengl-related... |
21:33.44 | Killux | i did apt-cache search kernel-source |
21:33.50 | karsten | FuzzyB: If you can work out what a horse's blood volume is, figure 0.05% for legally too drunk to drive in most states. |
21:33.56 | FuzzyB | Killux: take the - out |
21:34.06 | nhuisman_work | fuzzyb: of course you know a horse can drink 5 gallons in like 10 minutes. |
21:34.12 | FuzzyB | yea |
21:34.15 | karsten | scyrma: Got enough ram, are you swapping? |
21:34.15 | Killux | still nothing |
21:34.22 | wintix | Killux: linux-source |
21:34.36 | FuzzyB | apt-cache search kernel | grep source |
21:34.37 | scyrma | karsten, enough ram, no swapping, everything else runs just fine |
21:34.41 | FuzzyB | or linu |
21:34.42 | FuzzyB | x |
21:34.47 | Killux | ok got it |
21:34.55 | muhoo_ | besides, the only women i know that *would* drink an entire six pack, don't get drunk off of it :-) |
21:35.03 | muhoo_ | that's why they do it |
21:35.04 | FuzzyB | hell |
21:35.29 | muhoo_ | see, they're smarter than we are |
21:35.29 | nhuisman_work | hehe muhoo good point |
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21:35.30 | FuzzyB | if i drink a six pack these days i get a real nice buz |
21:35.43 | FuzzyB | but i drink good beer |
21:35.49 | FuzzyB | and not often |
21:35.50 | nhuisman_work | i'd need to drink a six pack in rapid fashino |
21:35.56 | nhuisman_work | which is a waste of good beer |
21:36.03 | FuzzyB | 6 pack and some counter strike |
21:36.04 | nhuisman_work | I like dark beers |
21:36.07 | FuzzyB | me too |
21:36.15 | nhuisman_work | white lightning obsidian stout! |
21:36.19 | nhuisman_work | mmm 12% |
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21:36.23 | muhoo_ | i like my beer like my women: dark and stout |
21:36.27 | muhoo_ | and cold |
21:36.32 | nhuisman_work | hehe ok dwarf |
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21:36.49 | dZen|n| | lol I thought cs were dead :D |
21:36.51 | en1gma | sup all |
21:36.56 | FuzzyB | cs isn't dead |
21:37.00 | en1gma | what = 'netcardconfig' in debian |
21:37.06 | nhuisman_work | I'm waiting for enemy territory quake wars |
21:37.07 | FuzzyB | huh? |
21:37.09 | muhoo_ | ok, no ideas on this x configuration thing, eh? |
21:37.14 | nhuisman_work | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
21:37.16 | en1gma | im getting a dhcp error when i boot up each time |
21:37.31 | nhuisman_work | en1gma: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
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21:37.44 | en1gma | i know the location of the config file |
21:37.47 | nhuisman_work | so edit it |
21:37.50 | en1gma | that is NOY what i asked |
21:37.59 | FuzzyB | what does noy mean? |
21:38.00 | en1gma | i asked what is similar to netcardconfig |
21:38.01 | nhuisman_work | I know, i'm just trying to force you to use the text way :P |
21:38.02 | FuzzyB | that's what i ask |
21:38.05 | en1gma | noy = not |
21:38.13 | FuzzyB | then why not just say not |
21:38.22 | en1gma | ill ask again |
21:38.34 | en1gma | what is similar to 'netcardconfig' for debian |
21:38.35 | FuzzyB | what distro are you comming from? |
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21:38.41 | en1gma | slackware |
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21:38.54 | en1gma | what is the network configurator |
21:38.57 | en1gma | for debian |
21:39.00 | wintix | ifconfig |
21:39.01 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
21:39.05 | FuzzyB | you do it all there |
21:39.07 | FuzzyB | with a text editor |
21:39.09 | en1gma | that is just the config file |
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21:39.15 | en1gma | i know the fdifference |
21:39.15 | alaya_ | en1gma: man interfaces |
21:39.20 | FuzzyB | yea |
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21:39.29 | en1gma | i know that but you are still not answering what i ask |
21:39.36 | nhuisman_work | their probably isn't one |
21:39.39 | nhuisman_work | unless it is netconfig |
21:39.39 | en1gma | what is the network configurator "TOOL" |
21:39.45 | FuzzyB | there isn't |
21:39.46 | FuzzyB | it's called vi |
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21:39.49 | wintix | en1gma: vim. |
21:39.55 | nhuisman_work | there is probably a package that does it somewhere |
21:39.57 | nhuisman_work | no idea what it is |
21:39.59 | muhoo_ | pay no attention to the error message behind the curtain: |
21:39.59 | en1gma | when linux boots it autoconfigs the network |
21:40.00 | muhoo_ | (II) I810(0): RandR enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. |
21:40.04 | karsten | What's average alchohol content for beer? 5-6%, or more like 3%? |
21:40.04 | en1gma | what tool ddoes it use |
21:40.10 | diepes | gnome has a network config tool ? or am i wrong. |
21:40.12 | wintix | en1gma: the config and ifconfig |
21:40.14 | nhuisman_work | guiness is actually really low, like 3.5% |
21:40.17 | nhuisman_work | dark beers 6+ |
21:40.24 | nhuisman_work | american shit beer 3-5 |
21:40.30 | FuzzyB | karsten: 3-10 |
21:40.39 | muhoo_ | american and australian "beer" is goat piss |
21:40.44 | Ronin | and american good beer anywhere in the mid 3s to high 9s |
21:40.47 | Ronin | or higher |
21:40.52 | FuzzyB | muhoo_: there's some good american beers |
21:40.59 | muhoo_ | microbrew, yeah |
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21:41.00 | nhuisman_work | and by american beer I mean non micro-brewed |
21:41.04 | FuzzyB | ok |
21:41.05 | wintix | bavarian beer for the win :) |
21:41.07 | nhuisman_work | obviously the west coast has hundreds of good beers |
21:41.12 | FuzzyB | yea |
21:41.15 | FuzzyB | portland has been nice to me |
21:41.20 | nhuisman_work | *drool* |
21:41.22 | diepes | en1gma: the interfaces file, controlls static, dhcp and even wifi |
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21:41.25 | Ronin | ever notice how i always chirp in when the talk turns to beer? heh |
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21:41.28 | en1gma | i know this |
21:41.34 | en1gma | im not asking about the config file |
21:41.39 | nhuisman_work | en1gma: so why don't you use it then |
21:41.41 | en1gma | im asking for the tool to configure that file |
21:41.44 | Decepticon | what do i select at this screen if all i want is a command prompt and apt-get capabilities: http://silenceisdefeat.org/~deltron/Image0000.jpg |
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21:41.51 | stew | Ronin: i'm halfway done constructing my HERMS |
21:41.53 | FuzzyB | cute |
21:41.56 | FuzzyB | just flood my screen |
21:41.57 | en1gma | why do ppl insist on not giving info that ppl ask on |
21:41.57 | Decepticon | what is standard system in that screen above that i linked |
21:41.57 | diepes | en1gma: a text editor |
21:41.59 | karsten | OK, so, a horse has about 40 liters of blood, legally drunk = 0.08% BAC, would be 0.02l of alcohol, or about 0.4 liters of beer, unless I've misplaced a decimal point. |
21:42.02 | en1gma | it really is amazing |
21:42.16 | FuzzyB | whoever just pasted that picutre |
21:42.19 | Ronin | en1gma: and we find it amazing that you cant use a text editor |
21:42.22 | FuzzyB | just hit contiune |
21:42.26 | nhuisman_work | uh |
21:42.29 | nhuisman_work | 0.4 liters? |
21:42.30 | nhuisman_work | that's nothing |
21:42.32 | diepes | en1gma: there is no debian tool, gnome and kde each has one. |
21:42.32 | wintix | Decepticon: select nothing to get a base system |
21:42.33 | Decepticon | FuzzyB, what is standard system |
21:42.34 | en1gma | so let me get this right....debian has a tool to build kernels (many distros dont) but it dont have a tool to configure network? |
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21:42.39 | nhuisman_work | i think you got something wrong |
21:42.41 | Decepticon | wintix what is 'standard system' |
21:42.43 | FuzzyB | Decepticon: just that a base standard install |
21:42.48 | Decepticon | excuse me? |
21:42.49 | wintix | Decepticon: tools like vim, .. |
21:42.50 | Ronin | en1gma: correct, but some of the wm/des do |
21:42.59 | Decepticon | i dont want anything at all |
21:43.09 | FuzzyB | not even apt? |
21:43.10 | nhuisman_work | decepticon just go from there |
21:43.13 | Decepticon | i want apt |
21:43.15 | FuzzyB | ok |
21:43.15 | nhuisman_work | trust me, you want the base system |
21:43.18 | FuzzyB | then hit continue and shut up |
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21:43.22 | en1gma | the kde tool dont work correct...it dont write to the interfaces file |
21:43.22 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
21:43.27 | Decepticon | what is this base system you're talking about |
21:43.33 | nhuisman_work | "STandard system" |
21:43.36 | nhuisman_work | the one you have checked |
21:43.40 | wintix | Decepticon: get the base system has apt. just select nothing and you will end up with a bare minimum. from there on you have to install everything else |
21:43.44 | Ronin | then either use the gnome one or a bloody editor |
21:43.46 | Decepticon | what happens if i dont select 'standard system' |
21:43.53 | nhuisman_work | then you get jack shit |
21:43.56 | nhuisman_work | and it is pretty unusable |
21:43.57 | wintix | Decepticon: apt-get will be included in the bare minimum |
21:44.01 | FuzzyB | look at what wintix said |
21:44.04 | Decepticon | do i get apt if i dont select 'standard system' |
21:44.11 | FuzzyB | he just said it twice |
21:44.12 | wintix | Decepticon: can you read? |
21:44.16 | FuzzyB | i don't think he needs to say it again |
21:44.21 | Decepticon | well nhuisman2 is confusing me |
21:44.26 | Decepticon | nhuisman_work |
21:44.27 | FuzzyB | ignore him for a minute |
21:44.31 | nhuisman_work | i'm shutting up and reading |
21:44.37 | Ronin | stew: a herms? i hate you, im still on propane, but im at least up to 40L brews |
21:44.49 | Decepticon | wintix i am deselecting standard system, then |
21:45.01 | wintix | Decepticon: yes. keep in mind, you even have to install stuff like vim |
21:45.06 | Decepticon | thats fine |
21:45.08 | Decepticon | all i need is apt |
21:45.11 | en1gma | K-menu>Settings>Internet and Network>Network Settings tool does not WRITE to the /etc/network/interfaces.conf file |
21:45.12 | en1gma | why |
21:45.19 | FuzzyB | no one cares |
21:45.21 | FuzzyB | it's KDE |
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21:45.37 | en1gma | FuzzyB dont be a fucking trolll |
21:45.37 | FuzzyB | i'm not |
21:45.40 | en1gma | im asking questions please stop trolling |
21:45.41 | FuzzyB | everyone has told you what you need to do |
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21:45.45 | FuzzyB | quit being a fucking retard |
21:45.48 | Ronin | en1gma: ask #kde |
21:45.53 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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21:46.01 | en1gma | didnt know there was a channel for #kjde |
21:46.11 | FuzzyB | sounds like a good place for you |
21:46.16 | FuzzyB | you might try #windows too |
21:46.18 | nhuisman_work | lol |
21:46.20 | wintix | :) |
21:46.27 | flipflop | Ok, I did the stupidest thing I've ever done. If someone can help me, I'll name all my children after you, I swear. |
21:46.32 | stew | Ronin: do you bottle or keg? |
21:46.35 | nhuisman_work | btw anyone, where can I find a list of the stuff in the "standard install" just curious. |
21:46.38 | FuzzyB | flipflop: we can't help if you don't tell us what's up |
21:46.41 | Ronin | stew: keg unless its somethign like a barelywine |
21:46.44 | Ronin | you? |
21:46.50 | wintix | flipflop: don't ask to ask |
21:46.55 | stew | Ronin: i'm goign to switch to kegs |
21:47.02 | nhuisman_work | pony kegs.. |
21:47.05 | stew | Ronin: how do you cool yours? do you have a dedicated fridge? |
21:47.10 | flipflop | I did tar -xzvf instead of tar -czvf and accidentally rolled back all my projects to the way they were about a month ago.... |
21:47.21 | FuzzyB | oops |
21:47.25 | flipflop | oops is right |
21:47.27 | nhuisman_work | you're done |
21:47.28 | stew | Ronin: i just don't know that I'm going to get away with a dedicated fridge/chest freezer just yet |
21:47.31 | diepes | any recommendation for a good firewall script ? being modular, with rules for each vpn client, dialup client etc. |
21:47.34 | Ronin | stew: yep, picked up a used fridge as a kegerator |
21:47.43 | FuzzyB | diepes: try #iptables |
21:47.48 | nhuisman_work | what about shorewall? |
21:47.54 | flipflop | I have ReiserFS, does this do me any good? |
21:48.14 | nhuisman_work | not sure you can do much about overwriting files. |
21:48.15 | alaya_ | flipflop: not using a RCS? |
21:48.27 | nhuisman_work | deleting you can if the inodes aren't already used again, but... |
21:48.28 | flipflop | alaya_: nope, I'm a moron |
21:49.04 | alaya_ | and no backups? |
21:49.04 | diepes | FuzzyB: how do i add rules as a dynamic interface appears and disappears |
21:49.05 | FuzzyB | sounds like your learning |
21:49.05 | flipflop | alaya_: yep.. the one I just rolled back from.... a month ago. |
21:49.05 | nhuisman_work | an important life lesson :P |
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21:49.06 | Killux | FuzzyB: i just installed and extracted the kernel sources, can you just tell me or hint me in on what i need to do |
21:49.06 | FuzzyB | diepes: go ask in #iptables |
21:49.06 | flipflop | Shit |
21:49.06 | FuzzyB | Killux: rtfm |
21:49.07 | Decepticon | where do i edit the apt-get sources list so it only looks online instead of debian cd's? |
21:49.08 | FuzzyB | that's what you need to do |
21:49.18 | FuzzyB | Decepticon: /etc/apt/sources.list |
21:49.19 | nhuisman_work | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
21:49.21 | alaya_ | flipflop: sounds like you need to set up a daily rotating/incremental backup system for your important data :-) |
21:49.22 | nhuisman_work | remove the cd line |
21:49.24 | Killux | argh |
21:49.27 | flipflop | That's totally unacceptable. That's 3 people's one month worth of coding. |
21:49.29 | nhuisman_work | i had that problem too, i was like wtf. |
21:49.46 | FuzzyB | flipflop: were not the one that screwed up with no backup |
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21:50.15 | Ronin | must find food |
21:50.18 | FuzzyB | yea |
21:50.20 | FuzzyB | bbl |
21:50.30 | wintix | happy hunting. |
21:50.34 | nhuisman_work | no standard operating system lets you rollback files like that. |
21:50.51 | FuzzyB | you should setup some svn |
21:50.57 | flipflop | shit |
21:50.59 | flipflop | I know, man |
21:51.05 | flipflop | I know damn well that I should |
21:51.19 | nhuisman_work | i wonder if reiserfs has rollback |
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21:51.46 | diepes | flipflop: use cvs nextime, and commit often |
21:51.55 | diepes | flipflop: or svn |
21:52.17 | Decepticon | ok this is going to sound stupid, but i need to know what apt-get install packages should i put if i want the following situation: it is a basic netinst install, i want to end up with usable xfce and synaptic |
21:52.26 | Decepticon | is it just apt-get install xfce |
21:52.28 | Decepticon | or is there more |
21:52.31 | Decepticon | like x-window-system |
21:52.40 | nhuisman_work | shrug, i'd just ask for xfce |
21:52.42 | nhuisman_work | and let it figure it out |
21:52.45 | flipflop | shit, I KNOW... I know what to do next time... |
21:52.48 | wintix | Decepticon: x-window-system xfce4 synaptics |
21:53.42 | alaya_ | next time is now ;-) |
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21:54.28 | minerale | Ok, i'm in a real *#@& --- I just delted some files... but they still exist, an applications is using them and I can see them being used via losf |
21:54.42 | robin_sz | sigh ... I see icedove is still not fixed :( |
21:54.43 | minerale | can I save those files? |
21:55.27 | nhuisman_work | what file system are you using? |
21:55.44 | minerale | default, ext2 |
21:55.59 | minerale | I have the inode numbers for the open file handles |
21:56.00 | alaya_ | robin_sz: how so? |
21:56.07 | nhuisman_work | http://www.billjonas.com/papers/undeletion.html |
21:56.36 | robin_sz | alaya_, the one where it uses oodles and oodles of CPU and just hogs cycles like they are free or something |
21:56.38 | nhuisman_work | basically you use dump |
21:57.15 | nhuisman_work | dump <inode> -p <recovered_file_name> |
21:57.16 | nhuisman_work | I think |
21:57.37 | nhuisman_work | make sure though |
21:57.54 | nhuisman_work | e2undel |
21:57.59 | nhuisman_work | claims it can undelete files |
21:58.40 | minerale | I remember some guy using the /proc fs to grab open handles on files |
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22:02.12 | minerale | nhuisman_work: oh, found it |
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22:02.42 | minerale | nhuisman_work: you find the pid of the app that has the open file handle then you go to /proc/<PID>/fd/ -> all the open files |
22:03.47 | minerale | ie: lr-x------ 1 nvu nvu 64 May 15 18:01 6 -> /home/nvu/temp/cp.zip (deleted) |
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22:05.36 | minerale | then you simply cp 6 ~/saved.zip |
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22:13.33 | Decepticon | i did apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 on a barebones netinst debian etch system and i tried running hte command startx. however, all i see is green/gray lines |
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22:14.15 | streuner | just try something else |
22:14.23 | streuner | i.e. fluxbox |
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22:14.43 | streuner | !xsession |
22:14.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
22:15.05 | Decepticon | no, x-window-system is showing green/gray lines |
22:15.09 | Decepticon | not xfce4 |
22:15.12 | Decepticon | i cant even see anything |
22:15.20 | streuner | touch /home/<user>/.xsession |
22:15.54 | Decepticon | im guessing its a video setting in x-window-system |
22:15.58 | Decepticon | that i need to adjust |
22:16.02 | Decepticon | but i dont know what |
22:16.16 | streuner | nah, you don't have configure the WM (window-manager) right |
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22:16.32 | streuner | s/don't have/didn't/ |
22:16.38 | x_link | hrm |
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22:17.00 | x_link | I was on Debian Testing for 10 minutes ago and I did -> X -version, it said 7.1.1 |
22:17.10 | x_link | I just changed to Sid and now when I do X -version it says 1.3.0 |
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22:17.17 | x_link | Shouldn't it sayd 7.2? |
22:17.18 | streuner | Decepticon: just create .xsession and put 'exec fluxbox' in that file |
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22:17.45 | streuner | Decepticon: apt-get install fluxbox (make sure no DM is running) (gdm, kdm) |
22:17.57 | Decepticon | how do i check if a DM is running |
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22:18.29 | streuner | Decepticon: ps aux | grep gdm |
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22:18.36 | x_link | Anybody? |
22:18.53 | streuner | etch doesn't have 7.2 |
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22:19.11 | streuner | it's in unstable/sid NOW |
22:19.16 | grendal_prime | where would i find out if there is a scheduled fix for a package? |
22:19.28 | streuner | BTS? |
22:19.56 | grendal_prime | rdesktop 1.05 sucks it segfaults all the time, something to do with xorg. Anyway there is a patch out there but i would much rather install a new pkg. |
22:20.22 | karsten | grendal_prime: There's a bug in rdesktp |
22:20.32 | karsten | grendal_prime: Patch available. Possibly an update by now. |
22:20.40 | x_link | streuner: Like I said, I'm on Sid now. |
22:20.59 | karsten | grendal_prime: It's a slightly overzealous window destroy call. It's more effective than it should be. |
22:21.01 | x_link | I just changed from Testing to Sid, and when I do X -version is says 1.3.0 |
22:21.13 | streuner | x_link: oh, no worries, you runinng 7.2 then :-) |
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22:21.41 | x_link | streuner: Okej. |
22:22.02 | grendal_prime | ill say |
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22:22.24 | grendal_prime | i dont see a new package for it though..is there some special repository where that would be held.. |
22:22.25 | karsten | grendal_prime: http://bugs.debian.org/418098 |
22:22.31 | grendal_prime | secret repo... |
22:22.40 | grendal_prime | kinda..kinky even? |
22:22.55 | karsten | grendal_prime: It's a one-liner change. I did an apt-get -d source, modded code, rebuilt, installed. |
22:23.05 | karsten | grendal_prime: Kinky? |
22:23.40 | streuner | x_link: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
22:23.42 | grendal_prime | maby kinky? |
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22:24.32 | grendal_prime | slightly kinky...ok nevermind ill go for just workable then |
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22:27.52 | grendal_prime | karsten: but umm...hmm did you wind up with a package out of that? something i could mayby...well coax out of you...with...oh i dont know liquer or chocolate? |
22:28.14 | grendal_prime | or ...well you name it? |
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22:28.29 | man_in_shack | how do you adjust which day is considered the first day of the week? |
22:28.43 | man_in_shack | i think there's a file in /etc/default to do it, but i can't remember |
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22:32.00 | piztek3 | beryl or compiz? |
22:32.39 | man_in_shack | piztek3, compiz is nice if you're already running gnome libs and like gconf system |
22:33.04 | karsten | grendal_prime: I don't recall the specific steps, but build results eventually in a deb. I asked around for specific steps, should doc those. |
22:33.18 | piztek3 | man_in_shack: which is better all around? |
22:33.23 | piztek3 | man_in_shack: which do you prefer? |
22:33.25 | man_in_shack | beryl is nice if you want a nice configuration application, theme system, and manager that allows you to switch nicely between different wms |
22:33.32 | man_in_shack | i prefer beryl. had issues with getting compiz to work |
22:33.39 | man_in_shack | but it's down to the individual |
22:33.49 | man_in_shack | they're about the same. they're merging their code base |
22:34.00 | piztek3 | man_in_shack: how can i make a startup link for beryl, or get beryl to start at login |
22:34.09 | robin_sz | wtf are beryl and compiz? do i need one? |
22:34.24 | robin_sz | will my laptop stop working without one? |
22:34.24 | karsten | robin_sz: teh shiznit! |
22:34.27 | Decepticon | streuner i tried installing fluxbox like you said and i added 'exec fluxbox' to .xsession and ran 'startx' i am seeing the same stripes as seen here http://silenceisdefeat.org/~deltron/gray.jpg |
22:34.27 | piztek3 | robin_sz: they're sooo cool |
22:34.38 | robin_sz | but what ARE they? |
22:34.40 | piztek3 | robin_sz: google some screeny's of em |
22:34.43 | karsten | robin_sz: 3d graphics desktop effects. |
22:34.51 | Decepticon | streuner this is the same stripes i was seeing when i tried xfce4, so yes i still think its a video card problem |
22:35.02 | robin_sz | ahh, ,then thank fuck I dont have them |
22:35.04 | Decepticon | can someone tell me what i should edit |
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22:35.31 | karsten | robin_sz: similar to (better than) OSX. Desktop is fully graphics rendered, you can have rippeling terminal windows, "cube" desktop switcher, some other stuff. |
22:35.31 | Decepticon | im seeing stripes when i run startx http://silenceisdefeat.org/~deltron/gray.jpg |
22:35.38 | robin_sz | karsten, sounds awful. thanks for the heads up |
22:35.44 | piztek3 | so man_in_shack, how about that startup for beryl? |
22:35.59 | piztek3 | does anyone know |
22:36.02 | man_in_shack | piztek3, there's a tool that configures a .xsessionrc for you i think |
22:36.11 | man_in_shack | but basically make beryl-manager run |
22:36.16 | piztek3 | how do i get to it? |
22:36.17 | man_in_shack | then play with beryl-manager :) |
22:36.23 | man_in_shack | gtg |
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22:36.29 | piztek3 | gah!!! |
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22:38.29 | lvalue | hi, how do i enable the Fn key on my dell c810 laptop in xfce? from the keyboard shortcuts it generates an empty shortcut, what makes me think it's not even working.. |
22:38.36 | escargo | someone had bring the nokia 6630 to work -> debian etch? |
22:39.18 | minerale | escargo: it's symbian |
22:39.19 | escargo | yes |
22:41.27 | efaistos | does someone use sar ? |
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22:41.40 | karsten | !tell efaistos about polls |
22:41.48 | karsten | efaistos: Just ask your question. |
22:41.59 | efaistos | ;) |
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22:43.09 | efaistos | when i try to launch sar it says that : invalid system activity file /var/log/sysstat/sa16 (0) |
22:43.17 | efaistos | do you know why ? |
22:43.24 | karsten | efaistos: Does the file exist? |
22:43.57 | efaistos | it was not there but I made one just with touch hoping it would be okay ... but was not :( |
22:44.03 | karsten | efaistos: You'll have to enable sar logging, it's disabled by default, IIRC /etc/default/sysstat |
22:44.27 | karsten | efaistos: You'll have to wait ~10 minutes for logging to start. Afterward it's updated every 10 minutes by default. |
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22:44.54 | efaistos | karsten: thanks |
22:44.58 | karsten | efaistos: dpkg-reconfigure sysstat should prompt you for that IIRC. |
22:45.06 | efaistos | IIRC ? |
22:45.12 | xarquid | Hey karsten |
22:45.13 | karsten | !iirc |
22:45.13 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
22:45.16 | karsten | xarquid: Hola. |
22:45.29 | karsten | Or "it isn't really cosher". |
22:45.32 | xarquid | Anyone familiar or had problems with ALSA working and then "not" working suddenly? I'm on a Lenovo and it suddenly stopped working last night :\ |
22:45.37 | efaistos | karsten: okay |
22:45.48 | efaistos | thnx |
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22:45.51 | grendal_prime | what is beryl? |
22:46.00 | karsten | grendal_prime: /lastlog |
22:46.09 | karsten | grendal_prime: & GIYF |
22:46.35 | karsten | !beryl |
22:46.36 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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22:50.13 | maxb | Is there any command to do the signing of source/changes files that dpkg-buildpackage does, but *after* a build? Say, if you've just built something inside a pbuilder, and want to sign the output? |
22:50.55 | karsten | maxb: gnupg |
22:51.21 | karsten | maxb: ... I think. For md5sums / sha1sums: md5sum or openssl. |
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22:52.01 | maxb | Well, obviously, but dpkg-buildpackages does some extra stuff, like suffixing an extra newline, and automating the sign-.dsc, gen-changes, sign-.changes process |
22:52.08 | xarquid | So no info. on a Lenovo using ALSA sound driver? heh, headphones or pc speakers -- no sound :\ |
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22:52.22 | karsten | xarquid: Checked your mixer levels/ |
22:52.45 | mutante | aumix -v50 or something |
22:52.46 | karsten | xarquid: aumix and alsamixer both. Also check the laptop audio settings (physical volume controls). |
22:52.58 | xarquid | Will get those |
22:52.59 | mutante | i remember happend to me too, that they somehow always went back to 0 |
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22:53.58 | karsten | xarquid: Toggle your mute key, and bump up the volume key as well. |
22:54.00 | xarquid | hmm aparently |
22:54.09 | xarquid | installing aumix and the alsamixer gui controls |
22:54.12 | karsten | xarquid: That it? |
22:54.17 | xarquid | thanks |
22:54.22 | xarquid | we'll see momentarily :) |
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22:55.08 | escargo | how i can i become 4 speakers work with alsa? |
22:55.18 | xarquid | still no go :\ bleh |
22:55.46 | xarquid | XMSS is using "ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin" as its output |
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22:57.51 | escargo | thx |
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23:02.54 | karsten | Two problems w/ aptitude update. Following paste from aptitude update. What should I change? http://paste.debian.net/28070 |
23:03.02 | karsten | WRT dupe sources list entries. |
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23:04.05 | karsten | Doh. Dupe security entry for testing in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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23:05.12 | Bucio | <PROTECTED> |
23:05.16 | fasta | Is there any way to make it appear that an e-mail was sent earlier than it actually was? |
23:05.16 | karsten | The other problem is untrusted packages, which I don't understand. |
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23:05.27 | karsten | Bucio: /msg dpkg es or /msg dpkg br |
23:05.36 | karsten | fasta: yes. |
23:05.42 | Bucio | ok |
23:05.43 | fasta | karsten: how? |
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23:05.54 | karsten | fasta: Oh, *that* I don't know. |
23:05.54 | pickcoder | specify it in the Date: header |
23:06.13 | fasta | karsten: the answer is something like "modify some header". |
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23:06.22 | Bucio | por que no ejecuta el exe ¿? |
23:06.25 | karsten | fasta: Set your system clock to the year 1066. |
23:06.30 | karsten | !es |
23:06.30 | fasta | pickcoder: do you know any software that can do that? |
23:06.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
23:06.32 | pickcoder | fasta: what are you using to send e-mail |
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23:06.46 | pickcoder | fasta: most command line tools will let you modify headers |
23:06.46 | P4 | Hi |
23:06.49 | fasta | pickcoder: KMail or Evolution or Mutt |
23:06.54 | karsten | fasta: Send emails from the Battle of Hastings! |
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23:07.38 | karsten | fasta: Oct 14, 1066, to be specific. |
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23:09.48 | nhuisman_work | i'd just set my clock back |
23:10.01 | nhuisman_work | then send it |
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23:10.19 | fasta | nhuisman_work: how does one change the clock? |
23:10.26 | nhuisman_work | date |
23:10.32 | nhuisman_work | man date |
23:10.34 | pickcoder | changing the system date can screw up services |
23:10.39 | pickcoder | that is not a good idea |
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23:10.49 | nhuisman_work | well i assume this is a temporary thing |
23:10.57 | karsten | pickcoder: as if backdating email is a sensible action. |
23:11.06 | pickcoder | e-mail headers are game |
23:11.25 | nhuisman_work | not sure why you would want to backdate email except to cover your ass for something you forgot to do, or send :P |
23:11.33 | karsten | fasta: Note that your email will probably bear more recent timestamps from any intermediate servers it passes through, so whatever you're trying to accomplish is likely pretty moot. |
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23:12.04 | fasta | karsten: I am trying to replicate something someone else already did. |
23:12.09 | pickcoder | karsten: most mail clients will show the Date: header regardless of the return path stamps |
23:12.10 | karsten | nhuisman_work: I'm much more a fan of composing some long, involved, complex email and setting an at job to fire it off at 1:27am so $BOSS thinks I'm working late. |
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23:12.24 | nhuisman_work | lol karsten |
23:12.31 | nhuisman_work | i was pondering setup a sick emailer like that |
23:12.33 | karsten | pickcoder: Right, but that header will be contradicted by other evidence in headers. |
23:12.51 | nhuisman_work | the high level headers will still display in a client as what ever year you want |
23:12.55 | pickcoder | karsten: for most people who use e-mail, headers are a programming term |
23:12.57 | nhuisman_work | i receive mail from 1969 all the time |
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23:13.11 | karsten | fasta: Um. In general you can put any damned crap in an email header you want, modulo RFC specs (which are pretty loose). Care to be more specific? |
23:13.11 | nhuisman_work | so for general purposes it will be as though it was sent then. |
23:13.15 | pickcoder | most have no clue how to get to them |
23:13.17 | nhuisman_work | for sorting purposes |
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23:13.31 | karsten | nhuisman_work: Damn, that's one backlogged server. |
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23:13.37 | nhuisman_work | no, it's spam |
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23:13.48 | karsten | nhuisman_work: They had spam in 1969? |
23:13.50 | nhuisman_work | no |
23:14.00 | pickcoder | processed meat |
23:14.01 | piztek3 | karsten, can you help me with a startup for beryl? |
23:14.08 | nhuisman_work | like everyone is saying, you can set the headers to what ever you want, one easy way was change your system clock |
23:14.19 | karsten | piztek3: no. |
23:14.24 | jelly-home | fasta: You want to set a custom Date: header. read RFC2822 for syntax, or use date --rfc-2822 option |
23:14.36 | joey[] | having problems with compiling, I've just install gcc, but I cannot even compile simple hello world example (stdio.h no such file) |
23:14.42 | nhuisman_work | i guess i missed your sarcasm :P |
23:14.42 | joey[] | what package do I need to install? |
23:14.54 | Ronin | joey[]: dev files most likely |
23:15.07 | fasta | Is the RFC system still intact? |
23:15.10 | jelly-home | fasta: note however that mutt, for example, will gleefully overwrite your custom Date with current date. |
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23:15.54 | pickcoder | joey[]: you need libc6-dev |
23:15.54 | fasta | Do people still make new RFC's? |
23:15.55 | pickcoder | fasta: yes |
23:15.55 | yetifoot | there was one for the PNG, i don't know how long ago that was |
23:15.55 | Ronin | fasta: most certainly |
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23:16.23 | pickcoder | I never managed to get my RFC submitted |
23:16.29 | joey[] | pickcoder: hmm ... E: couldnt find package libc6-devel ... |
23:16.44 | karsten | jelly-home: create message file w/ headers & CRLF linefeeds. sendmail -s <file |
23:17.02 | jelly-home | karsten: I prefer -t :-) |
23:17.13 | jelly-home | no need to CRLF it, then |
23:17.14 | fasta | RFC4891 Using IPsec to Secure IPv6-in-IPv4 Tunnels. R. Graveman, M. Parthasarathy, P. Savola, H. Tschofenig. May 2007. |
23:17.26 | pickcoder | joey[]: no devel.. just dev.. apt-cache search libc6 |
23:17.29 | stew | yeah, that one was from yesterday |
23:17.53 | fasta | stew: ? You follow this stuff? |
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23:18.21 | stew | fasta: no, i just looked it up |
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23:19.45 | joey[] | pickcoder: thanks, libc6-dev works |
23:19.46 | fasta | stew: I found it a bit too coincidental |
23:19.46 | pickcoder | stew just lurks and reads RFCs all day |
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23:23.04 | karsten | jelly-home: Hrm. |
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23:24.26 | jelly-home | karsten: at least, I haven't paid attention to giving sendmail wire format, and it worked |
23:25.03 | karsten | jelly-home: I don't think that's what -t does. Some remote daemons don't care what they get. qmail does, however. |
23:25.08 | jelly-home | (it wasn't sendmail, though, it was exim4 on Debian, or ssmtp on Cygwin) |
23:25.25 | karsten | jelly-home: Yeah, sendmailo here is really exim4. |
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23:26.53 | jelly-home | well. ssmtp forwards everything to qmail... maybe it acts smartish. Or maybe our mail admin has patched qmail to be friendly. |
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23:27.47 | karsten | jelly-home: You mean it *smiles* at you before it stabs a steak-knife into your chest, removes yo0ur heart, shows it to you, and eats it? |
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23:30.16 | jelly-home | karsten: hey... our users wanted ETRN. So the admin implemented ETRN, when you EHLO our mx, it says it can do ETRN. Even throws a 2XX a-ok code if the user asks for it. Then it does nothing. :-) |
23:30.33 | jelly-home | users are happy, though. |
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23:31.25 | bonez41 | I purchased and today received a 400 gb hitachi SATA drive......connected, but not yet booted or mounted at /dev/hdg My question> why would it be reporting about 362 gb....instead of 400 gb...when I view the drive using gparted? |
23:31.57 | abrotman | what does the BIOS say ? |
23:32.16 | karsten | bonez41: GB v. GiB. |
23:32.17 | jelly-home | bonez41: gparted thinks 2^30 bytes is 1GB. manufactures think 10^9 bytes is a GB. |
23:32.40 | nhuisman_work | yeah it's a standard issue, and a little annoying but you get used to it |
23:32.46 | Kevin` | bonez41 why is it hdx instead of sdx like most sata drives? |
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23:33.03 | dkr | nhuisman_work: it's been getting worse with larger drives sicne the discrepency is so much bigger now |
23:33.15 | nhuisman_work | yeah 1tb drive will be a nice loss |
23:33.27 | bonez41 | karsten, jelly-home so in reality I have my full space..it's just how it's being interpreted? |
23:34.03 | jelly-home | bonez41: yes. You bought a 362 GiB drive |
23:34.03 | bonez41 | it's a SATA drive, so the BIOS...ain't talkin... |
23:34.06 | bonez41 | Disk /dev/hdg: 400.0 GB, 400088457216 bytes |
23:34.06 | bonez41 | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 48641 cylinder |
23:34.11 | bonez41 | that's from fdisk though |
23:34.19 | Kevin` | looks like more then 400gb |
23:34.21 | Kevin` | ;) |
23:34.27 | CompWizdr | and 40088457216 / 1024 / 1024 is... |
23:34.31 | abrotman | the sata controller still has a bios |
23:34.33 | bwlang | as a sysadmin... where would you expect to find svn repositories? |
23:34.33 | jelly-home | looks like exactly 400GB :-) |
23:34.44 | bonez41 | I am not there..just ssh'd to my office where this drive now lives....I'll wait to partition/format it until I am physically back there... |
23:34.52 | abrotman | bwlang: ask #svn .. i'm sure there's a conf file somewhere |
23:34.53 | dkr | 362GiB does not equal 400GB though, it should be 372.5GiB |
23:34.54 | pickcoder | bwlang: on a development server |
23:34.58 | maxb | Is there a way to manually set debconf values? For example, after creating a pbuilder chroot, I'd want to insert some debconf answers required by build-deps |
23:34.59 | pickcoder | <g> |
23:35.08 | maxb | bwlang: Whereever the sysadmin chooses |
23:35.09 | karsten | bonez41: yep. |
23:35.14 | nhuisman_work | path/svnroot |
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23:35.29 | nhuisman_work | could be off your root, but i'd probably have it on a separate partition |
23:35.46 | Kevin` | meoooow |
23:36.05 | maxb | Popular possibilities: /srv/svn, /var/svn, /home/svn, /usr/local/svn |
23:36.11 | bwlang | thanks for the helpful responses! :P... i'm trying to decide where to put them and i thought i could get some consensus about common locations (possiblities: /home/ /var/lib/ their own filesystem etc.) |
23:36.28 | bonez41 | Kevin`, not sure.....that's how it is reading on my system |
23:36.30 | nhuisman_work | i'd put it on a different file system then your root |
23:36.36 | pickcoder | bwlang: variable data should always be under /var/ |
23:36.37 | maxb | My personal favourite is /srv/svn, which is most in line with the latest FHS |
23:36.40 | pickcoder | review the FHS |
23:36.50 | bonez41 | jelly, the label says 400 gb.... |
23:36.50 | Kevin` | ick @ /srv |
23:36.51 | nhuisman_work | because otherwise someone can fill your root and you are dead |
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23:37.13 | jelly-home | bonez41: yes. It can take 400 billion bytes. |
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23:37.55 | Kevin` | nhuisman_work you should, of course, use quotas.. |
23:37.59 | bwlang | i'm going with /var/svn |
23:38.05 | CompWizdr | bonez41: there's a standard disclaimer somewhere in the packageing, and if not there, on their website.. every manufacturer does that. |
23:38.33 | bonez41 | ok.....I purchased a 400 gb drive..it's just varied on how they wish to interpret that....thanks... |
23:38.35 | nhuisman_work | true, but a separate partition achieves the same thing doesn' tit? |
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23:39.01 | jelly-home | bonez41: the whole mess had started when some memory guys started using KB, MB, GB for 2^{10,20,30} ... |
23:39.03 | Kevin` | nhuisman_work unless that partition is dedicated to that user, they could still fill it up and cause service loss |
23:39.06 | CompWizdr | i did buy a 160 GB maxtor once that was actually 160gb.. was very strange. |
23:39.17 | CompWizdr | 160GiB, rather |
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23:39.23 | nhuisman_work | oh, does svn mark the files as owned by a particular user? |
23:39.51 | nhuisman_work | I guess that makes perfect sense, and then yes you are completely right, quotas are needed. |
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23:40.42 | Kevin` | I have a seperate partition for /var/lock on this system because of mr AfterDeath :) |
23:41.01 | jelly-home | bonez41: the hd manufacturers _never_ used binary style. If you really want to know, you can start from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte maybe |
23:41.18 | kalila | how long does a package stay in testing before getting bumped to stable (i know unstale->testing takes 10 days if unblocked) |
23:41.28 | nhuisman_work | afterdeath? |
23:41.37 | jelly-home | kalila: until next stable release |
23:41.37 | Kevin` | /whois afterdeath |
23:42.04 | jelly-home | kalila: stable does _not_ get new versions, only critical bug fixes |
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23:45.11 | maxb | Is there nice way to get the size of a file in bytes, in a shell script? (nice, meaning, does not involve parsing ls -l output) |
23:46.00 | abrotman | stat? |
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23:46.07 | CompWizdr | wc? |
23:47.24 | CompWizdr | though, stat seems to be able to handle file permission problems better |
23:47.31 | maxb | stat! |
23:47.38 | maxb | That's nice |
23:47.41 | CompWizdr | stat -c %s somefile gave a result when wc didn't because it couldn't read it |
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23:47.52 | maxb | wc would read the file, unnecessarily |
23:47.56 | abrotman | ok |
23:48.19 | CompWizdr | maxb: can i put a useless use of wc award up by my collection of useless uses of cat? |
23:49.20 | maxb | :-) |
23:49.20 | abrotman | wc was a good answer |
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23:49.21 | muhoo_ | CompWizdr: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp :-) |
23:49.21 | muhoo_ | there are lots of uses for "touch" too |
23:49.36 | muhoo_ | i usually test whether i have write access by typing "touch inappropriately" |
23:49.48 | muhoo_ | ok, on a lighter note |
23:50.06 | muhoo_ | the gtf utility gives me a modeline that exceeds the clock of the monitor |
23:50.16 | muhoo_ | which sucks |
23:50.42 | CompWizdr | i wonder what stat says about a sparse file ;) |
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23:51.58 | abrotman | space is space ? |
23:52.31 | abrotman | stew: i cannot lament wakefield when mrs has gone poof! |
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23:54.45 | stew | abrotman: i just heard the bad news |
23:54.57 | abrotman | stew: are you not at the lighthouse ? |
23:55.09 | stew | abrotman: no, we're outside, she's streaming it from mlb.com |
23:55.12 | abrotman | ah ok |
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23:56.01 | stew | abrotman: she decided that she'd rather skip the lighthouse and apply the savings to a mlb.com premium membership if it worked in linux, which it did after she had me install some evil software on her laptop |
23:56.09 | abrotman | haha |
23:56.15 | abrotman | evil software being w32codecs ? |
23:56.17 | stew | yes |
23:56.25 | abrotman | ah .. there are worse things i suppose |
23:56.31 | stew | it wanted wm9 |
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23:56.49 | cafuego | Yes, there is a bug with wm9. |
23:56.54 | abrotman | isn't the mlb.com thing only 12$/yeara ? |
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23:56.59 | dbasetrinity | Hello Debianers |
23:57.19 | stew | abrotman: no i think its more. i think she decided that us not going to the bar tonight was going to pay for 3 months of it |
23:57.20 | abrotman | ohy .. it's 20$/month |
23:57.37 | twisted` | ey, I have a hardware raid through an areca pci 8x card. debian reconised it during installation, but when I booted it it won't reconise it as a harddrive |
23:57.42 | abrotman | stew: sounds about right :) |
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23:58.00 | twisted` | cfdisk tells me on /dev/sdb that it cannot get the disk size so it errors out |
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23:58.15 | twisted` | weirdly enough it shows a partition table on /dev/sdb1 |
23:58.23 | twisted` | but only 300gb and the raid has 2.5tb |
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