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| 00:00.12 | J-B[away] | many thanks @ dondelelcaro !!! |
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| 00:00.28 | DualCortex | can someone please help me with ndiswrapper? ndiswrapper -m gives me the folloing output: "modprobe config already contains alias directive" so as expected after booting my PC my net adapter is not recognized. |
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| 00:07.15 | h00t | can anyone tell me what is the command to check sfv files |
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| 00:08.18 | dondelelcaro | h00t: cksfv |
| 00:08.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell h00t about search |
| 00:08.27 | _Atomo64_ | h00t: or cfv |
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| 00:08.59 | h00t | dondelelcaro, thank you i will install it ... |
| 00:09.18 | usr_rob | just have to google more to get my whole server system green on black, manage to get it green on black in bashrc but it turns to grey when i reboot |
| 00:10.00 | DualCortex_ | can anyone please help me with ndiswrapper! ndiswrapper -m ouputs "modprobe config already contains alias directive" .... when I reboot the driver isn't loaded ( dlink dwl g132) |
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| 00:13.22 | usr_rob | h00t: if you have x windows try parano nice graphical app for sfv, md5 files. http://prdownload.berlios.de/parano/parano-0.3.4.tar.gz |
| 00:15.49 | usr_rob | h00t: ( This is a gnome program ) |
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| 00:19.53 | k-man_ | i have noticed i get a lot of hack attempts on my ssh port |
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| 00:20.12 | k-man_ | is there strategies for preventing/reducing or at least frustrating those attempts? |
| 00:20.33 | Spark | drop packets to the port |
| 00:20.42 | Guerin | k-man_: simple: run your sshd on a different port |
| 00:20.54 | Guerin | k-man_: robust: run fail2ban or somesuch |
| 00:21.11 | k-man_ | fail2ban? |
| 00:21.13 | Guerin | simples: be confident in your passwords and do nothing |
| 00:21.22 | Guerin | k-man_: you can copy and paste, congrats. |
| 00:21.34 | k-man_ | Guerin, yes, i can |
| 00:21.40 | k-man_ | i can even type the same as you typed |
| 00:21.44 | Guerin | amazing |
| 00:21.49 | h3sp4wn | k-man_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 - maybe look into iptables TARPIT also |
| 00:21.52 | Guerin | but can you copy and paste into google? |
| 00:22.08 | k-man_ | Guerin, no, can you please explain how to do that? |
| 00:22.26 | Guerin | k-man_: take your keyboard, and smash yoursefl in the face six times. |
| 00:22.37 | k-man_ | Guerin, ok, now what? |
| 00:22.39 | Guerin | then, if it still works, open a browser and type google.com |
| 00:23.01 | Guerin | wait until it has loaded, and type fail2ban<enter> |
| 00:23.21 | k-man_ | :) |
| 00:24.01 | crn | k-man_, check what h3sp4wn posted. It works great. |
| 00:24.30 | k-man_ | crn, thanks, i will |
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| 00:25.32 | DualCortex_ | Hey guys, so I was able to get my Dlink DWL-G132 working with ndiswrapper but when issuing the "nidswrapper -m" command the following is its output: modprobe config already contains alias directive" So, if I reboot my computer, other than hanging and freezing when unloading the module and turning off, the adapter does not seem to be recognized after it starts up and I log in. |
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| 00:25.51 | helo | wth... i just installed gnome, and it was working great... then i log out to gdm and now my screen is just blank whenever i start X\ |
| 00:25.58 | linux_jones | if i didnt have my wireless card in when i installed sarge how can i install it now? because its not finding wlan0 |
| 00:26.11 | iturk | my friends about flash programming is there any tool in linux for it ?! |
| 00:26.36 | Guerin | helo: out to gdm or out of gdm? |
| 00:26.44 | amphi | linux_jones: iwconfig shows a wireless iface? |
| 00:27.01 | Guerin | iturk: ask macdobedia |
| 00:27.01 | linux_jones | amphi, no |
| 00:27.04 | helo | Guerin: i was logged into gnome... i logged out, which should have taken me back to gdm login... but instead the screen just went blank |
| 00:27.18 | helo | and now if i restart gdm, or start X, the screen is just blank |
| 00:27.22 | helo | x server log output looks fine |
| 00:27.27 | helo | and gdm/X is running |
| 00:27.45 | Guerin | helo: kill gdm; run startx twm |
| 00:28.45 | linux_jones | amphi, no, now what do i do? |
| 00:28.50 | amphi | linux_jones: what card is it? |
| 00:28.55 | amphi | linux_jones: lspci |
| 00:29.01 | helo | guerin: same thing |
| 00:29.12 | iturk | Guerin: thats the only point of why i am still stuck to windows !! my clients still want flash in their websites !! |
| 00:29.13 | Guerin | helo: no idea, then |
| 00:29.19 | Guerin | helo: run drxx again |
| 00:29.25 | Guerin | iturk: tell them to go fuck themselves |
| 00:29.29 | helo | drxx? |
| 00:29.33 | amphi | linux_jones: what sort of card? cardbus in a laptop? |
| 00:29.33 | linux_jones | amphi, its a linksys card, but i have ndiswrapper running |
| 00:29.35 | Guerin | iturk: or use the tools which are available |
| 00:29.42 | linux_jones | amphi, yes |
| 00:29.42 | Guerin | helo: ask dpkg |
| 00:29.52 | amphi | linux_jones: I have no clue about ndiswrapper, thank the ghods |
| 00:30.22 | DualCortex_ | Hey guys, so I was able to get my Dlink DWL-G132 working with ndiswrapper but when issuing the "nidswrapper -m" command the following is its output: modprobe config already contains alias directive" So, if I reboot my computer, other than hanging and freezing when unloading the module and turning off, the adapter does not seem to be recognized after it starts up and I log in.... cmon! |
| 00:30.33 | linux_jones | amphi, , it lspci it has an entry saying ethrenet controller |
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| 00:30.53 | iturk | Guerin: i have found this -> http://ming.sourceforge.net/ i will check if its suitable for flash programming !! |
| 00:31.14 | Guerin | iturk: happy days. |
| 00:31.22 | linux_jones | amphi, , for realtek which is the ndiswrapper driver i had to use |
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| 00:31.58 | amphi | linux_jones: I have no idea about ndiswrapper, as I told you, I can't help you |
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| 00:32.45 | DualCortex_ | linux_ones: see this page, find your adapter, see what drivers it recommends, then get the .inf and possibly .sys and install it with ndiswrapper |
| 00:32.48 | DualCortex_ | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List |
| 00:33.28 | linux_jones | DualCortex_, i already did that and installed it, the problem is i cant find out what linux named my card like usually its wlan0 |
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| 00:35.43 | linux_jones | DualCortex_, but its not now |
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| 00:36.13 | DualCortex_ | after doing modprobe ndiswrapper disconnect and plug back in your net adaoter |
| 00:36.46 | laidback_01 | hey, does anyone have a Recent wireless howto? I've been googleing for a while now on how to install my realtek 8185, but so far I keep coming up with 2.2 kernels and 2.4 kernels and pcmcia-cs and other outdated items. Anyone know of a recent howto? |
| 00:36.51 | DualCortex_ | then issue "iwconfig" and see if your net adapter appears there |
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| 00:37.01 | abrotman | laidback_01: stick it in and go ? |
| 00:37.18 | crn | DualCortex_, this has to do with /etc/modules and/or /etc/module.conf. But I haven't used ndiswrapper for a long time and don't remember how I got it going. |
| 00:37.54 | laidback_01 | abrotman: okay,sounds good... so Uh, how to tell it which wireless to hook up to then... lol. |
| 00:38.09 | abrotman | which wireless? |
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| 00:38.14 | abrotman | which AP ? |
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| 00:39.06 | abrotman | iwlist <interface> scanning |
| 00:39.13 | laidback_01 | well it's a dlink AP with "crestontech" as the name. realtek 8185 wireless nic. |
| 00:39.15 | laidback_01 | okay. |
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| 00:45.16 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am trying to setup up an keyring for our company's for authentication can someone point me to some howto's / articles on the subject pls! |
| 00:46.45 | schippes | why does my debian box correctly do port translation (80->8080) when i connect ftom another computer and does not translate locally initiated connection to itself? |
| 00:46.50 | amphi | evilbulgarian: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html perhaps |
| 00:47.03 | schippes | i have setup a REDIRECT rule in the prerouting table |
| 00:47.06 | evilbulgarian | amphi: thanks!! |
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| 00:47.17 | Guerin | schippes: debian has nothing to do with iptables |
| 00:47.26 | amphi | evilbulgarian: you're welcome |
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| 00:47.39 | schippes | ok so its a generic kernel/netfilter issue |
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| 00:50.55 | Jazbo_ | Hi folks, I'm trying to get my computer to display properly on a 50inch DLP TV. What would be the starting point for figuring out the correct modeline to use? |
| 00:52.27 | Guerin | Jazbo_: call the manufacturer |
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| 00:54.11 | Jazbo_ | Guerin: I've got the thing displaying in 640x480, shouldn't I be able to tweek it from there? |
| 00:54.29 | Guerin | Jazbo_: you can run hwinfo --monitor |
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| 00:55.39 | abrotman | maybe the 50" only does 640x480 eh ? |
| 00:55.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:56.03 | Guerin | that's probably $10 per pixel |
| 00:56.29 | streuner | hm |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | Guerin: worth it! |
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| 00:57.01 | Guerin | abrotman: depends how many lamborghinis you own |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | 10 gallons/mile! |
| 00:57.25 | Guerin | but at least you look like a poseur! |
| 00:57.27 | Jazbo_ | yowsa I'd be pissed if that was true... 1280x720 |
| 00:57.59 | Jazbo_ | This has got to be the least traffic I've _ever_ seen here... |
| 00:58.06 | Guerin | actually |
| 00:58.17 | Guerin | i've seen #debain with onyl 10 users in it before |
| 00:58.26 | Jazbo_ | Whoa, when? |
| 00:58.43 | dondelelcaro | I doubt #debain even has 10 people in it. |
| 00:58.58 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/debian-10-users.png |
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| 00:59.33 | abrotman | yeah .. broken times don't count |
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| 00:59.45 | Guerin | do so too |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | do not! |
| 01:00.09 | streuner | Guerin: that would prolly never happen in future, we managed many more things... ;-) |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | we? |
| 01:00.28 | streuner | we |
| 01:00.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you have a changelog of the topic ? |
| 01:00.40 | Guerin | whadayamean `we', white man? |
| 01:00.51 | abrotman | it'd probably interesting over time |
| 01:00.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I have logs back to 2003 or so |
| 01:01.06 | abrotman | i didn't mean logs exactly i guess .. |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | though . i guess i could parse them |
| 01:01.58 | Guerin | SIGBEER |
| 01:02.30 | dondelelcaro | well, I actually have some logs before 2003, but unfortunatly some of them are without years/times/dates. |
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| 01:04.03 | abrotman | just thought it'd be interesting to see changes in /topic over time |
| 01:04.10 | Ono | hi |
| 01:04.18 | Ono | i have a problem about xfce4 |
| 01:04.29 | Ono | i try to start xfce4-session |
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| 01:04.52 | aFlag | hello |
| 01:04.59 | Ono | i get this error: GTK-Warning cannot open display |
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| 01:05.40 | streuner | How do you start the wm, anyway? |
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| 01:06.19 | aFlag | What does "package diverts others to: /usr/lib/libpthread.so.glibc" mean (it shows on dpkg -L libpthread-dev)? That /usr/lib/libpthread.so was available by the libc package and it was renamed by the pthread package? |
| 01:07.25 | itchi | Ono: Take an screwer. I know an nice tool to open it, it goes fast with it, the big hammer |
| 01:07.26 | streuner | aFlag: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:07.48 | itchi | Ono: Start you not it with startxfce4 ? |
| 01:07.49 | aFlag | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:08.01 | Ono | itchi: ok i trying |
| 01:08.15 | streuner | aFlag: show us your sources.list in paste (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 01:09.15 | aFlag | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4845 |
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| 01:09.57 | Ono | itchi: |
| 01:10.01 | Ono | its worked thanks :) |
| 01:10.07 | itchi | Ono: hehe |
| 01:10.20 | itchi | Ono: Just start<TAB> it ;-) |
| 01:10.22 | amphi | itchi: how's it going? |
| 01:10.31 | itchi | amphi: Good good :-) |
| 01:10.39 | itchi | amphi: Solved the stuff there about the sata there |
| 01:10.47 | amphi | itchi: what was it? |
| 01:10.52 | itchi | amphi: Was somethings stupid :-p |
| 01:11.02 | amphi | for future reference ;) |
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| 01:11.39 | itchi | amphi: Just need to rebuild the kernel with scsi support and with my sata driver in and now it's been sda and no more hda and it gooooeeeeessss fast :-) |
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| 01:12.15 | rdz | hi all. |
| 01:12.16 | amphi | itchi: is that a core duo you have? |
| 01:12.36 | itchi | amphi: I have also find some tricks and tips, but there are so many that i no more remember haha :-) But have wrote it on the article |
| 01:12.51 | itchi | amphi: Yup, duo 1,6GHz with 2MB cache |
| 01:13.02 | itchi | amphi: Crazy thing! |
| 01:13.46 | itchi | amphi: It's my first new laptop too. My previous was an 300MHz with 128 MB RAM |
| 01:13.58 | rdz | i just compiled a program called cutter (from http://www.lowth.com/cutter/) and it complain, that there is no file: ' /proc/net/ip_conntrack'. is it called differently under debian? |
| 01:14.02 | itchi | And it was an 36th hands, but worked fine |
| 01:14.26 | amphi | itchi: if you feel brave, you could try this: https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/ |
| 01:14.58 | amphi | itchi: it works well here on pentium m, temp underload went from 74C to ~50C |
| 01:15.19 | Jazbo_ | how would I cause a change in the resolution setting of XF86Config-4 to take effect without having to completely restart x |
| 01:15.20 | itchi | amphi: I get an good average now on my webserver, looks like many users look for that brand of laptop |
| 01:15.40 | amphi | itchi: this will be of interest: https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/wiki/IntelCoreLimitationsOfLinuxPHC0_2_X |
| 01:16.02 | Guerin | rdz: /proc/net/ip_conntrack is there under debian |
| 01:16.06 | amphi | itchi: oh, hits on your howto? |
| 01:16.27 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, just for that howto, other is not interesting for the people it's looks :-( |
| 01:16.29 | Guerin | rdz: it's used by iptables; perhaps you have to echo a value to it (1 is typical) |
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| 01:16.37 | c0d3-r3d | hey |
| 01:16.45 | c0d3-r3d | i need some help lol |
| 01:16.48 | amphi | itchi: which other? I forget ;) |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | this is funny? |
| 01:16.52 | amphi | !lol |
| 01:16.53 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:16.54 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: as do we all |
| 01:16.58 | c0d3-r3d | i forgot the command to find something |
| 01:17.00 | Guerin | some more than others |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | some more than others |
| 01:17.04 | itchi | amphi: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
| 01:17.05 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: `find' |
| 01:17.06 | abrotman | ack! |
| 01:17.08 | stoned | does my buffer need to be big enough to /lastlog to work? |
| 01:17.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:17.14 | stoned | recenlty /lastlog stoned returns nothing |
| 01:17.17 | Guerin | abrotman: sharpen up |
| 01:17.17 | stoned | goddamit |
| 01:17.18 | stoned | FUCK! |
| 01:17.23 | CHodapp | ASS! |
| 01:17.24 | c0d3-r3d | find didnt work lol |
| 01:17.25 | stoned | abrotman, Guerin what up |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | stoned: or you can ask someone else with a bigger .. erm . log :) |
| 01:17.35 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: you should offer it a more generous contract |
| 01:17.37 | rdz | Guerin, what do you mean by 'echoing a value'? |
| 01:17.38 | itchi | amphi: Interesting there, if i can reduce the power, hhhm, can gain time on running on bat. Thanks for these links ;-) |
| 01:17.42 | stoned | abrotman, hahahaha, shadddup |
| 01:17.48 | c0d3-r3d | debain:~# find inetd |
| 01:17.48 | Guerin | rdz: e3cho 1 > /proc/foo |
| 01:17.48 | c0d3-r3d | find: inetd: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.49 | c0d3-r3d | debain:~# |
| 01:17.54 | Guerin | s/3// |
| 01:17.58 | rdz | root@netpd:~# echo "1" > /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 01:17.58 | rdz | bash: /proc/net/ip_conntrack: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.59 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: man find |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | locate inetd |
| 01:18.05 | c0d3-r3d | im trying to find my inetd file because my proftpd isnt working right |
| 01:18.14 | Guerin | rdz: you're probably using a kernel with no/broken iptables |
| 01:18.14 | c0d3-r3d | debain:~# locate inetd |
| 01:18.15 | c0d3-r3d | locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.15 | c0d3-r3d | debain:~# |
| 01:18.20 | c0d3-r3d | i just installed debain |
| 01:18.25 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: stop fucking pasting |
| 01:18.28 | rdz | Guerin, ok. |
| 01:18.30 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: man locate |
| 01:18.37 | Guerin | rdz: i recommend using a debian kerne; |
| 01:18.48 | rdz | Guerin, ok |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | c0d3-r3d: updatedb |
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| 01:19.47 | amphi | itchi: yeah, and running cooler is good for the machine generally, although you may not flog yours as I do |
| 01:20.07 | rdz | Guerin, ah, yes i have 2.6.12-3-multimedia-686 from demudi. do you thing that is ther reason i don't have this file? |
| 01:20.13 | amphi | itchi: I have my laptop doing povray renders for days on end at times |
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| 01:20.35 | Guerin | rdz: yes, because demudi is retarded. |
| 01:20.43 | c0d3-r3d | #:STANDARD: These are standard services. |
| 01:20.43 | c0d3-r3d | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 01:20.47 | c0d3-r3d | why cant i connect? |
| 01:20.51 | rdz | Guerin, i see. thanks for the hints |
| 01:21.08 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: because you don't have it set up right. |
| 01:21.18 | streuner | !nickometer c0d3-r3d |
| 01:21.19 | dpkg | 'c0d3-r3d' is 63.000% lame, streuner |
| 01:21.23 | amphi | c0d3-r3d: your hostname is 'debain'?? |
| 01:21.46 | c0d3-r3d | debain.h4ck3d.org lol |
| 01:21.51 | stoned | this is a piece of shit mobo, can't even increase vcore though bios, I might have to vmod it |
| 01:21.53 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:21.54 | eggleston | hey can anyone remember what that tinhgo was when you want to split two files in half? |
| 01:22.03 | Guerin | eggleston: split? |
| 01:22.10 | amphi | heh |
| 01:22.12 | Guerin | eggleston: i know it seems implausible ... |
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| 01:22.26 | streuner | if those files "split-able"... |
| 01:22.33 | eggleston | Guerin, lol okay i'l try |
| 01:22.44 | streuner | otherwise i would use 'rar' ;-) |
| 01:22.48 | Guerin | streuner: or you could just not overclock your box, and still not use anything like 100% cpu most of the time |
| 01:22.51 | Guerin | why? |
| 01:23.00 | Guerin | split can split any file, perfectly, 100% of the time |
| 01:23.03 | h3xis | is there a command or util that will tell me how much vram a video card has? |
| 01:23.04 | amphi | eggleston: naturally, you don't use join to join the split(1)'d parts ; |
| 01:23.06 | c0d3-r3d | so how do i get my proftpd to run then? |
| 01:23.14 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: rtfm |
| 01:23.20 | streuner | rar is fine to split |
| 01:23.26 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: aptitude install proftpd-doc; read |
| 01:23.34 | Guerin | rar is not fine for anything |
| 01:23.36 | c0d3-r3d | Guerin a support channel is to ask channels u fucking moron |
| 01:23.46 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: yes, and I just gave you support. |
| 01:23.55 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: U FUX)R |
| 01:23.58 | c0d3-r3d | THATS NOT SUPPORT U FUCKING MORON |
| 01:24.06 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: yes, it is. |
| 01:24.09 | wakejagr | c0d3-r3d: that is support |
| 01:24.11 | amphi | o dear |
| 01:24.13 | streuner | !nickometer c0d3-r3d |
| 01:24.14 | dpkg | 'c0d3-r3d' is 63.000% lame, streuner |
| 01:24.14 | Guerin | #debian helps those who help themselves. |
| 01:24.23 | c0d3-r3d | Guerin go fuck ur grandmother bitch |
| 01:24.34 | CHodapp | Guerin: c0d3-r3d NEEDS SOME SUPPORT |
| 01:24.35 | amphi | c0d3-r3d: you want someone to read the docs for you? |
| 01:24.35 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: ur has a grandmother? |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | no more soda for you |
| 01:24.38 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: keep going! you'll wi! |
| 01:24.40 | streuner | c0d3-r3d: why did you visit us, to troll? |
| 01:24.47 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: you've got them! the victory is yours! |
| 01:24.57 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: you can feel them weakening! |
| 01:24.58 | Guerin | CHodapp: if you can't read, you have no business running a ftp server. Now fuck off and read, child. |
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| 01:25.09 | abrotman | Guerin: misfire |
| 01:25.11 | CHodapp | hey, I'm trying to offer support here |
| 01:25.13 | amphi | heh |
| 01:25.13 | itchi | abrotman: Nice movie he ;-) |
| 01:25.17 | Guerin | CHodapp: sorry pal |
| 01:25.25 | c0d3-r3d | Guerin IF U CANT FUCKING HELP THE RIGHT WAY U HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING IN A SUPPORT ROOM |
| 01:25.26 | snowbird | tried to get ftp downlaod wont connect |
| 01:25.40 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: I did. If you can't read, what the fuck are YOU doing here? |
| 01:25.43 | amphi | !tell c0d3-r3d about room |
| 01:25.49 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d, please watch your language. You too, Guerin. streuner and CHodapp, your comments aren't helping keep things calm. |
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| 01:25.49 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: YEAH! Tell him what customer service is all about! |
| 01:26.02 | abrotman | c0d3-r3d: the documentation is in english, and is fairly easy to read... On top of which IIRC, proftpd asks you when it installs if you want it as standalone or inetd |
| 01:26.17 | PaSurf | I am trying to connect a serial ups to my system. I assume I have the driver (tripplite) correct, but system is not finding the ups. How can I query the serial port? |
| 01:26.21 | Guerin | such a 'tude |
| 01:26.25 | c0d3-r3d | i put it as inetd and its not working abrotman |
| 01:26.28 | streuner | Hydroxide: scroll up dude, he insulting and shouting all the time, how do you want calm him down? :-) |
| 01:26.37 | CHodapp | PaSurf: make sure perms are correct on serial device and so on first |
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| 01:26.56 | abrotman | c0d3-r3d: then yes .. you need to read .. or at least restart inetd |
| 01:26.58 | c0d3-r3d | Guerin I fucking deal with customers all day, what you said to me is poor customer service, if im your boss i got 2 words for you |
| 01:27.05 | Hydroxide | streuner: step 1 for keeping things calm when people are shouting at you is to remain calm, unprovocative, and polite |
| 01:27.06 | c0d3-r3d | YOUR FIRED! |
| 01:27.11 | CHodapp | PaSurf: check baud rate and such |
| 01:27.12 | abrotman | you're .. |
| 01:27.23 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: if you were paying us for support, then you'd be justifiably angry. |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | hopefully you're not working in written customer service |
| 01:27.31 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: ask for a refund |
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| 01:27.40 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: and talk to my supervisor |
| 01:27.42 | c0d3-r3d | abrotman i dont think inetd is installed |
| 01:27.46 | PaSurf | CHodapp: Not sure how to do that. how do I check perms? |
| 01:27.46 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: if you are paying us for support, you should probably also go beat up whoever collected money. |
| 01:27.48 | streuner | Hydroxide: you wanna teach us? :-) |
| 01:27.48 | linux_jones | how do i enable hardware acceleration for my video card? |
| 01:27.54 | Carbon_Monoxide | Hello mates! |
| 01:27.57 | streuner | haha |
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| 01:28.01 | CHodapp | PaSurf: ls -l /dev/ttyS0 - make sure you can access the device (if it's ttyS0) |
| 01:28.11 | itchi | Oh, movie done? |
| 01:28.32 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: can I try to answer your question with us both being calm? |
| 01:28.48 | c0d3-r3d | think i fixed it |
| 01:28.57 | Guerin | his question is `I don't know how to work proftpd because I didn't read the documentation.' |
| 01:28.59 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: good. glad to hear it. |
| 01:29.23 | c0d3-r3d | Guerin how about you go fucking suck a cock, im glad i dont know in person because i did i would fucking murder you |
| 01:29.26 | Hydroxide | Guerin: I understand that, but even though reading the documentation is good advice and important for people to learn, you need to realize that a lot of people aren't used to doing that and won't think of it first |
| 01:29.33 | linux_jones | how do i apt-get install ssh? |
| 01:29.44 | Guerin | Hydroxide: sure - but when given the opportunity to do so ... why wouldn't you? |
| 01:29.50 | Guerin | linux_jones: just like that |
| 01:29.53 | wakejagr | linux_jones: you need to be root |
| 01:30.02 | amphi | c0d3-r3d: you're not still drivelling on? |
| 01:30.08 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: please, threats on IRC mean about as much as science facts on the back of cereal boxes. |
| 01:30.12 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: well, you can go beat up a dog or something instead ... pull the wings off a fly if it makes you feel manly. |
| 01:30.22 | PaSurf | CHodapp: looks like the perms are r+w on the tty0 and 1 |
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| 01:30.28 | Carbon_Monoxide | Does mysqld prompt "Checking for crashed MySQL tables in the background." everytime it starts? |
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| 01:30.50 | Hydroxide | Guerin: well, if you word it in a way such that they think you're blowing them off, they will get mad |
| 01:30.59 | PaSurf | CHodapp: when I do a upsdrvctl start I get "Failed to find UPS - giving up" |
| 01:31.14 | CHodapp | PaSurf: any config files that need to be pointed to one of your serial devices |
| 01:31.16 | Guerin | Hydroxide: people feel.ing undervalued is not my problem. |
| 01:31.26 | c0d3-r3d | Hydroxide: is there anyway to change the time format from 24hr to 12hr? |
| 01:31.34 | streuner | There is NO reason to insult people when you mention man-pages and docus... |
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| 01:31.36 | linux_jones | how do i configure/start ssh? |
| 01:31.37 | PaSurf | CHodapp: I have configured the ups.conf for the tripplite |
| 01:31.51 | amphi | linux_jones: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:32.00 | Hydroxide | Guerin: it is important to keep things reasonably civil though, since it turns away many other people, including debian experts who would otherwise be in this channel helping |
| 01:32.01 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: what does the documentation say? |
| 01:32.04 | amphi | linux_jones: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 01:32.07 | Guerin | Hydroxide: but I *was*. |
| 01:32.22 | Guerin | Hydroxide: it was *him* who started with the grandmother-fucking |
| 01:32.24 | Hydroxide | Guerin: also, saying "what does the documentation say?" doesn't help, because he probably doesn't know which documentation |
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| 01:32.40 | Hydroxide | Guerin: I am aware of that. I told him to watch his language too. |
| 01:32.43 | Guerin | Hydroxide: well, since I already told him which documentation, I don't see how that can hold. |
| 01:33.02 | c0d3-r3d | I beleive hes on a new topic moron |
| 01:33.14 | Guerin | sorry, this is clear-cut: he feels like he's entitled to hand-holding and arse-wiping and that's not what I provide. |
| 01:33.18 | Hydroxide | Guerin: yeah, this is a different question it seems |
| 01:33.20 | CHodapp | c0d3-r3d: quit insulting everyone. |
| 01:33.25 | Hydroxide | Guerin: some degree of hand-holding is what this channel is about |
| 01:33.29 | Hydroxide | Guerin: up to a point |
| 01:33.42 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: what date do you want to change to 12hr format? |
| 01:33.44 | Guerin | Hydroxide: but the onus is on people to do SOME of their own work. |
| 01:33.59 | c0d3-r3d | 20:30:29 up 41 min, |
| 01:33.59 | Hydroxide | Guerin: yes, if they know what to do. many more people find knowing how to get help harder than you or me |
| 01:34.02 | c0d3-r3d | its like that atm |
| 01:34.12 | c0d3-r3d | i just want it to be like 8:33pm |
| 01:34.18 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i got a quick question.. i installed firefox to by placing the dir from the tar file in /usr/local/ and making a sym link to the exectuable in /usr/bin/ it works fine unless x-www-browser is called then i get this error. run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute /usr/local/firefox/x-www-browser-bin. any idea why? |
| 01:34.19 | Dewi | Guerin: I don't think anyone has a problem with your message, just how aggressive it got |
| 01:34.22 | streuner | if you don't want read man-pages and read documentation, you shouldn't run Linux at all. |
| 01:34.30 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: are we talking about proftpd here? |
| 01:34.31 | Dewi | Guerin: and I wish that shit didn't matter, but humans being humans, it does... |
| 01:34.34 | c0d3-r3d | Hydroxide |
| 01:34.36 | c0d3-r3d | no lol |
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| 01:34.38 | c0d3-r3d | i moved on |
| 01:34.42 | CHodapp | PaSurf: hmm... try to connect with something like MiniCom and see if you are getting any data from the serial port... problem is that I don't know baud settings or anything |
| 01:34.49 | c0d3-r3d | when you do uptime it shows the time and so and on |
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| 01:34.55 | Guerin | hah, bullshit |
| 01:34.58 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: ah, I'm not sure if there's a way to change that for uptime |
| 01:35.03 | c0d3-r3d | Damnit lol |
| 01:35.08 | c0d3-r3d | i hate army time lol |
| 01:35.16 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: hehe. |
| 01:35.17 | amphi | army time? wtf? |
| 01:35.26 | Hydroxide | amphi: to an american, that's all it's used for |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | jjazz: fix your router |
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| 01:35.51 | CHodapp | I use 24-hour time frequently, even if just because it annoys people |
| 01:35.52 | b00 | d/c wont solve shit |
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| 01:36.04 | amphi | Hydroxide: really? you don't use 24hr time there normally? |
| 01:36.10 | Hydroxide | amphi: nope |
| 01:36.11 | Guerin | i use 24-hour time because it's unambiguous |
| 01:36.11 | jjazz | abrotman: What's wrong with it? |
| 01:36.17 | itchi | hhhm i just saw Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) DCC SEND from uR2nUb [0.0.0.0 port 0]: NiggerNiggerNigger [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 01:36.20 | amphi | Hydroxide: damn |
| 01:36.30 | Dewi | amphi: well, that and geeks |
| 01:36.37 | Hydroxide | amphi: I have no problem with 24hour time, since I use computers a lot and had my watch set to 24hr for a while, but it's not the US norm |
| 01:36.39 | amphi | Dewi: yeah |
| 01:36.53 | Dewi | amphi: here in australia 24 hour time isn't common either, but it's gradually losing the "military" connotation |
| 01:36.55 | amphi | Hydroxide: I hadn't realised that |
| 01:37.01 | itchi | Someone got that GNA related crap? |
| 01:37.04 | Dewi | amphi: I understand it's quite common in europe, which sounds nice |
| 01:37.05 | l3mr | ur2nub tried to send me this too ...can someone kick him? |
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| 01:37.18 | b00 | so for now im stuck with the 24hr |
| 01:37.20 | streuner | itchi: you shouldn't post that crap here... |
| 01:37.28 | amphi | Dewi: people don't say it a lot, but it's almost always used in writing |
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| 01:37.39 | Hydroxide | l3mr: if it persists I will kick him |
| 01:37.42 | itchi | streuner: I got that as message, it is not normal?? |
| 01:37.48 | amphi | itchi: yeah, I did |
| 01:37.57 | CHodapp | I did too |
| 01:38.01 | Hydroxide | l3mr: although he's not here anymore |
| 01:38.01 | streuner | itchi: so tell an OP or stuff member in /msg |
| 01:38.04 | Guerin | Hydroxide: you have the tolerance of several saints. |
| 01:38.08 | l3mr | oh |
| 01:38.10 | l3mr | ok |
| 01:38.11 | l3mr | :) |
| 01:38.22 | amphi | itchi: uR2nUb tried to send something retarded to port 0 |
| 01:38.37 | Hydroxide | Guerin: in the context of a help channel, the helpers need to be tolerant. you'd be amazed how much is not obvious to new users. patience is essential in support roles |
| 01:38.48 | itchi | amphi: Did you that DCC ? |
| 01:38.52 | Dewi | itchi: people occasionally camp in this channel and attempt to hack your IRC client. |
| 01:38.54 | Guerin | Hydroxide: I'm more talking about not banning obvious phishers. |
| 01:38.58 | amphi | itchi: verb please ;) |
| 01:39.09 | streuner | Hydroxide: in most support channels you get a ban, if you insulting those people. |
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| 01:39.20 | Dewi | itchi: it's just bots; and just because this is a large channel. Good reason to stay up to date and/or not use mirc :) |
| 01:39.21 | itchi | Dewi: Gona take the botle of beer an beat his head yeah |
| 01:39.36 | itchi | again! |
| 01:39.37 | Hydroxide | streuner: yeah, I'd like to make #debian more civil, but it'd be such a culture shock |
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| 01:39.46 | b00 | Hydroxide can i pm you? its just easier to keep track of things |
| 01:39.48 | amphi | itchi: I get signal! |
| 01:39.51 | linux_jones | what do i have to do to allow remote desktop connections? |
| 01:39.55 | itchi | Me too |
| 01:39.57 | CHodapp | amphi: main screen turn on! |
| 01:39.59 | Hydroxide | dondelelcaro: the thing is, that won't help. it was a different address last time |
| 01:40.02 | itchi | 2x time now |
| 01:40.06 | amphi | CHodapp: indeed |
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| 01:40.15 | CHodapp | linux_jones: one way is to enable it in GNOME |
| 01:40.18 | streuner | Hydroxide: there are more than 600-700 people every day which think #debian is a fine place where they get support... |
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| 01:40.23 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: I'd like to keep it in channel if you don't mind so that other people can benefit too |
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| 01:40.37 | Hydroxide | streuner: and how many more who get scared away? |
| 01:40.39 | c0d3-r3d | How do i make colors happen in my shell? |
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| 01:40.47 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: sometimes they take names based off regulars here, btw. I got a hack-dcc from a "karsten_" once |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | jjazz: fix your router |
| 01:40.52 | Hydroxide | c0d3-r3d: what shell are you using? |
| 01:40.57 | dondelelcaro | c0d3-r3d: there's no way to change that; you're talking about fractional days, not a particular time. |
| 01:40.59 | c0d3-r3d | im using bash i believe |
| 01:41.01 | linux_jones | CHodapp, how do i do that? |
| 01:41.06 | streuner | Hydroxide: well, i count 2 or 3 every day, some trolls or they are in bad mood :-) |
| 01:41.17 | PaSurf | CHodapp: I have minicom running, but what would I be looking for or using in minicom to make sure the port was working? |
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| 01:41.20 | Guerin | mostly ubuntu users... |
| 01:41.20 | CHodapp | linux_jones: I honestly can't remember, just look around in the setup/prefs menu |
| 01:41.23 | streuner | haha |
| 01:41.26 | streuner | Guerin |
| 01:41.40 | streuner | hm |
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| 01:41.48 | b00 | gah |
| 01:41.49 | CHodapp | PaSurf: basically just any data... maybe, if you can, unplug your UPS and plug it back in (if your PC is on battery backup) and watch for power off/on messages |
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| 01:42.00 | c0d3-r3d | someone keeps killing me |
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| 01:42.10 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: use a real irc client - irssi is good |
| 01:42.12 | amphi | c0d3-r3d: echo $SHELL to see what shell you're using |
| 01:42.21 | c0d3-r3d | Guerin im on my laptop lol |
| 01:42.24 | Guerin | mostly mirc is the only one which dies that easy |
| 01:42.30 | Guerin | c0d3-r3d: irrelevant |
| 01:42.34 | itchi | again! |
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| 01:42.39 | Hydroxide | Guerin: even "use a real IRC client" is more likely to provoke them into getting mad at you |
| 01:42.43 | PaSurf | CHodapp: One thing I did notice is the power on one power connection did cycle and some systems went down then came back up |
| 01:42.50 | c0d3-r3d | ............/bin/bash |
| 01:42.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b uR2nUb*!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:42.52 | itchi | So everyone see it?? |
| 01:42.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:42.59 | Guerin | Hydroxide: i'm not responsible for peoples' poor impulse control. |
| 01:43.05 | Hydroxide | Guerin: what about your own? |
| 01:43.07 | John | * dondelelcaro sets mode: +b uR2nUb*!*@* |
| 01:43.18 | John | Don't do that. Then he'll change his nick and it will be harder to find him. |
| 01:43.21 | CHodapp | Guerin: what's a good IRC client to use in Windows |
| 01:43.21 | Guerin | Hydroxide: My impulse control is fine, I'm saying what I mean. |
| 01:43.26 | dondelelcaro | John: so? |
| 01:43.48 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's going to be difficult |
| 01:43.48 | John | Iunno o.o |
| 01:43.48 | amphi | itchi: yeah, busy little dunce |
| 01:43.52 | John | Isn't it better to kb him before he exploits. |
| 01:43.54 | c0d3-r3d | i use /bin/bash |
| 01:43.55 | John | Meh w/e. |
| 01:43.58 | Guerin | CHodapp: irssi, in cygwin is my choice. xchat has windows builds. Chatzilla is bad but it works. |
| 01:44.05 | Hydroxide | Guerin: no your control is not fine. it's because of the general hostility that often runs through here that I don't help out as much as I used to. you scare away lots of good helpers who don't like to witness repeated arguments |
| 01:44.16 | CHodapp | Guerin: I never could find XChat builds in Windows that weren't shareware or something... |
| 01:44.18 | Guerin | Hydroxide: *I* do? |
| 01:44.33 | dondelelcaro | John: what would be best is people fixing their firewalls |
| 01:44.35 | Guerin | CHodapp: they do exist, the base code is gpl so it's plenty buildable. |
| 01:44.39 | Hydroxide | Guerin: not just you, but yes. |
| 01:44.46 | c0d3-r3d | hmmmm |
| 01:44.48 | streuner | Hydroxide: you talking crap |
| 01:44.58 | itchi | amphi: I read the stuff of lower the core voltage there |
| 01:45.00 | Hydroxide | streuner: I'm being calm and civil, please be that way too |
| 01:45.06 | CHodapp | Guerin: I'm rarely on this Windows box, enough to use IRC sometimes but not really enough to want to set up a build environment |
| 01:45.13 | numist | good, dondelelcaro got the nick. its likely that'll hold it off for now |
| 01:45.16 | Guerin | Hydroxide: they come and tell you I pissed them off, or you just estimate from surveying channel logs? |
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| 01:45.39 | Hydroxide | Guerin: I'm just remembering from past experience of seeing you and certain other people myself in this channel |
| 01:45.41 | streuner | Hydroxide: i can't stand people who only 2 days here (according to debstats) and state statements |
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| 01:45.51 | amphi | itchi: it looks like it does work for core duo with a bit of fiddling |
| 01:45.53 | Hydroxide | streuner: I'm not here only 2 days. do you think I'd have ops if I were? |
| 01:46.07 | c0d3-r3d | im leaving too much shit happening here cant get my help i need |
| 01:46.08 | Dewi | Guerin: there's a lot of ill will in here... a lot of people get harsh treatment and to say it spills over into ugly arguments... is that really a surprising claim? |
| 01:46.11 | streuner | Hydroxide: i saw you the last years not many times |
| 01:46.28 | amphi | itchi: you need to find the lower functional voltage values for each freq; mprime in torture mode is good for testing |
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| 01:46.40 | itchi | ow |
| 01:46.41 | Dewi | Guerin: it's not only you, not mainly you, it's just the way the culture is here and to be honesst... I also would like to see it adjusted a little |
| 01:46.48 | AcuraX | When i goto run the gdesklets starterbar it says i don't have a sensor how do i fix this? |
| 01:46.52 | amphi | itchi: if you use the userspace cpufreq governator, it's easy to test at each freq |
| 01:46.52 | Guerin | be the change you wish to see |
| 01:46.52 | Dewi | Guerin: my main problem is with the quotebots actually; the factoids can be pretty rude |
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| 01:47.10 | gravity | The factoids are made by the people the channel. |
| 01:47.10 | Guerin | the main problem, in actuality, is a lack of user education, and a sense of entitlement |
| 01:47.13 | Hydroxide | streuner: arguing about how active I have or have not been recently is irrelevant; I've been here enough over the years - mostly more around 2002-2003 I'll admit |
| 01:47.18 | amphi | itchi: expect many crashes while you test - runlevel 1 with / mounted ro is good ;) |
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| 01:47.27 | CHodapp | Dewi: I've noticed the same, that people will come in and have factoids thrown at them like an automated support line whether applicable or not |
| 01:47.34 | Hydroxide | Guerin: they should feel entitled to some assistance when they go to a channel where that's the exact purpose of the channel |
| 01:47.35 | Dewi | Guerin: nobody is asking you to change that opinion; just moderate the way you express it a little would be nice |
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| 01:47.44 | craigevil | CHodapp: http://silenceisdefeat.org/~b0at/xchat/win32/ lots of unofficial free versions of xchat for win |
| 01:47.50 | CHodapp | craigevil: cool |
| 01:47.56 | itchi | amphi: hhhhmm, maybe i first need to learn some other new stuff before trying that :-° |
| 01:47.57 | Guerin | the way to change the channel's atmosphere is for those who wish to change it to apply the change in theor own conduct - some people are doing so, notably azeem and stew |
| 01:47.57 | AcuraX | :| |
| 01:48.04 | Dewi | Guerin: but I don't think you escalated that thing before; the other guy did |
| 01:48.05 | craigevil | Silverex is the most updated |
| 01:48.07 | geo-rge | the people... the channel... the horror! film at eleven |
| 01:48.18 | numist | dondelelcaro: kimmel is the same bot |
| 01:48.27 | numist | dondelelcaro: may want to +r for a bit |
| 01:48.28 | AcuraX | Is the arguing really needed :| |
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| 01:48.29 | Hydroxide | streuner: although i've been here as a silent observer actively reading channel activity much more often than your stats suggest |
| 01:48.37 | Guerin | Hydroxide: sure, some support, absoolutely. But the fundamental responsibility is on people to be willing to help themselves, and I'll give all kindfs of support to people who do. |
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| 01:48.41 | illovae | hello |
| 01:49.00 | streuner | Hydroxide: we would like your 'silent' role here... |
| 01:49.01 | numist | Hydroxide: ^^ |
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| 01:49.12 | amphi | itchi: it's not hard, it just takes a little patience and much rebooting; I found the kernel would panic in less than a minute, often almost at once, when the voltage was too low |
| 01:49.17 | Miraterre-Anton | anyone here familiar with bootsplash? It seems to be corrupting my initrd - any advice? |
| 01:49.36 | AcuraX | Someone mind helping me? |
| 01:49.43 | Guerin | AcuraX: ask. |
| 01:49.43 | streuner | sorry |
| 01:49.46 | AcuraX | When i goto run the gdesklets starterbar it says i don't have a sensor how do i fix this? |
| 01:49.47 | craigevil | can an OP ban this crap plz> [CTCP] Received unknown CTCP-DCC SEND "GayNiggerAssociationOfAmerica" 0 0 0 request from Master_Of_Darkne to Channel #debian |
| 01:49.50 | Hydroxide | streuner: I'm sorry. I'm going to do what I can to help make this a useful place for people to ask for help. |
| 01:49.51 | gravity | AcuraX: Just ask your question. If someone can help you, they will. |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | craigevil: they saw |
| 01:49.58 | Dewi | Guerin: Yep. I don't think anyone disagrees with you there. |
| 01:49.59 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: the individual in question has already been klined. |
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| 01:50.01 | AcuraX | I asked it upon entry.. |
| 01:50.04 | numist | craigevil: 1) dont paste it 2) the person who did it got klined immediately |
| 01:50.08 | geo-rge | Hydroxide/Guerin: it takes effort to learn this stuff... if they don't put it forth, you might as well be trying to explain something to a stone... after that, I think inventor of lisp had a quote: "you can't explain anything to a stone" |
| 01:50.10 | AcuraX | And noone even ackowledged |
| 01:50.12 | amphi | itchi: the voltages I now use are significantly lower, and it's stable, I had over 90 days uptime, often running povray using huge amounts of memory for days |
| 01:50.19 | craigevil | it just showed up like 1 sec ago |
| 01:50.19 | AcuraX | Free support can't complain though :D |
| 01:50.23 | gravity | AcuraX: I don't know anything about gdesklets, sorry. |
| 01:50.30 | AcuraX | Ty anyways :) |
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| 01:50.40 | Guerin | AcuraX: #gnome on irc.gnome.org cares about gnome stuff. |
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| 01:50.59 | amphi | itchi: these are the default freq/voltage pairs for my cpu: "600000:988,800000:1068,1000000:1132,1200000:1212,1400000:1276,1600000:1340" |
| 01:51.03 | AcuraX | Thanks :D |
| 01:51.04 | Hydroxide | geo-rge: I agree. however, most people I've found are perfectly willing to put forth the effort. it's usually just that they don't know how to learn |
| 01:51.12 | itchi | amphi: Ow, looks like im drunken |
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| 01:51.21 | AcuraX | I'm running srage is there any need to upgrade? |
| 01:51.22 | amphi | itchi: and now: "600000:700,800000:732,1000000:796,1200000:876,1400000:956,1600000:1052" |
| 01:51.24 | AcuraX | sarge* |
| 01:51.26 | Guerin | Hydroxide: but the specific case in point was patently not, and that was the entire extent of my beef with him. |
| 01:51.35 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, im drunken |
| 01:51.36 | amphi | itchi: heh, those lines must be easy to read then ;) |
| 01:51.42 | eggleston | Guerin, i split a movie file, then i was trying to vcdimager both halves, but apparently it seems when they're 'split' they're only split so you can reattach them and not valid files by themselves |
| 01:51.43 | geo-rge | Hydroxide: that's true, and I'll usually put forth an example of learning when I see that |
| 01:51.43 | Guerin | AcuraX: depends. |
| 01:51.54 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
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| 01:52.04 | Guerin | eggleston: yes. TO split them into valid files you want mpgtx or such. |
| 01:52.10 | Miraterre-Anton | anyone have ideas for this fatal boot error from bootsplash: "RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 8388608" |
| 01:52.26 | Guerin | eggleston: or mplayer/mencoder or ffd* or ... |
| 01:52.31 | geo-rge | off-topic? yes, but it greatly helps the community |
| 01:52.33 | Hydroxide | Guerin: regardless, getting angry with such people just makes the channel more unpleasant for everyone else who's forced to listen to the argument. the best way to minimize unpleasantness for innocent bystanders is to not provoke the troll in response |
| 01:52.52 | amphi | eggleston: avisplit any good to you? |
| 01:52.58 | Guerin | Hydroxide: sorry, since nobody banned him when he told me to fuck my grandmother, I figured it was open season. |
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| 01:53.08 | Dewi | Guerin: I've been here a lot of years and I still have trouble framing questions in such a way that I won't go down in a shower of factoids and rudeness. And I'm a native english speaker, largely self-educated, which is probably pretty different from the average |
| 01:53.11 | eggleston | Guerin, i used mencoder to convert the file from avi to mpeg, but i've spent about 3 hours so far converting, splitting and imaging and burning |
| 01:53.18 | eggleston | amphi, it's not an avi anymore |
| 01:53.35 | itchi | amphi: I realy dunno about the voltages here used :-) I need to look in that specs i guess :-) |
| 01:53.41 | geo-rge | Hydroxide: I'm sure you've been around plenty long enough to have experienced the frustration with just people who honestly want to get this stuff or learn something... but in a case like that, it's just not called for, period |
| 01:53.48 | Hydroxide | Guerin: people do deserve at least a warning, and I did tell him to watch his language. would you rather I kickbanned you both after you both kept cursing? |
| 01:54.00 | Guerin | Hydroxide: except I didn't. |
| 01:54.10 | amphi | itchi: once that patch is applied, you just cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/op_points_table |
| 01:54.13 | Guerin | Hydroxide: regardless. |
| 01:54.25 | Guerin | i've stated my rationale, I know yourse |
| 01:54.25 | geo-rge | Hydroxide: could have warned them both :) |
| 01:54.30 | amphi | itchi: of course, you may have to do it for two cpus, dunno |
| 01:54.31 | Guerin | yours, even |
| 01:54.46 | Miraterre-Anton | anyone have ideas for this fatal boot error from bootsplash: "RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 8388608" |
| 01:54.50 | itchi | Again an beer, he, you want me completely drunken or what? |
| 01:55.03 | Hydroxide | geo-rge: I did... |
| 01:55.04 | amphi | itchi: heh |
| 01:55.07 | Dewi | Guerin: I don't think anybody disagrees with your rationale. But it's a jump from "newbs can be annoying" to "newbs should be shouted into submission" |
| 01:55.11 | Guerin | Miraterre-Anton: might try a mailing list, most filk in here don't use bootsplash-like eye-candy |
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| 01:55.27 | Guerin | Dewi: yes, and it's a jum I didn't, and typically don't ever make. |
| 01:55.30 | amphi | itchi: your fault for having two cores - makes you go blind ;) |
| 01:55.36 | geo-rge | Hydroxide: oh, well, you did your job well in that case (I most have gotten here after an incident :) |
| 01:56.00 | Guerin | Dewi: i don't have a problem with newbs, I have a problem with |
| 01:56.00 | Dewi | Guerin: good :) |
| 01:56.07 | geo-rge | I don't know what a jum is! |
| 01:56.08 | Guerin | people who refuse to help themselves |
| 01:56.23 | abrotman | you're still going on about this? |
| 01:56.23 | Guerin | geo-rge: like a buck. Lives near billabongs. |
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| 01:56.29 | itchi | amphi: Looks a bit complicated to setup, not yet clear at this stage how i should need to do. But to be honest, better that i try that tomorow :-) |
| 01:56.29 | Digit0 | Hi |
| 01:56.29 | Guerin | abrotman: evidently. |
| 01:56.41 | streuner | abrotman: yeah, that's become boring... |
| 01:56.47 | geo-rge | jumbuckaboing |
| 01:56.50 | Digit0 | I have a patch for building gnuchess on debian/hurd |
| 01:56.57 | Digit0 | where shall I commit it ? |
| 01:57.07 | streuner | to the maint? |
| 01:57.08 | dondelelcaro | Digit0: just file a wishlist bug against gnuchess |
| 01:57.12 | Guerin | Dewi: ask #hurd or if there's a #debian-hurd |
| 01:57.16 | dondelelcaro | Digit0: and attach the patch to it |
| 01:57.16 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 01:57.32 | Guerin | bah, Dewi, sorry |
| 01:57.36 | amphi | itchi: it's a simple patch, applies clean to debian 2.6.18 source; everything is done through that sysfs file, so you can revert to factory setting whenever you like |
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| 01:57.46 | geo-rge | Digit0: or file a bug report with the patch and whatver info you have |
| 01:57.52 | streuner | Hydroxide: /msg dpkg fable |
| 01:57.57 | Digit0 | dondelelcaro, can u tell me the email address ? |
| 01:58.03 | geo-rge | same difference, it gets to the maint |
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| 01:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Digit0: just run reportbug; it'll walk you through the steps |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | Digit0: bugs.debian.org |
| 01:58.20 | geo-rge | gnuchess@packages.debian.org is one way |
| 01:58.34 | geo-rge | if you just want to talk to the maint first |
| 01:58.43 | amphi | itchi: just read/write a line of text to the file; but indeed perhaps don't do it now |
| 01:59.43 | itchi | amphi: hhhm, Yeah, to tell, have got that new .18 end last week, but work not yet so nice as the .17 i find. Some sound troubles and 3D. But have not yet look back to it because lack of time last week |
| 02:00.09 | amphi | itchi: .18 is working ok here AFAICS |
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| 02:01.07 | itchi | amphi: But i have discovered that with the stock binary .18 kernel, my scsi and sata are build in supported, so that i not need to recompile one |
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| 02:01.49 | amphi | itchi: if you don't hammer your cpu lot, you probably don't really need the patch |
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| 02:02.32 | Hydroxide | streuner: so, you told me a command to run, which gave me a link to a web page, for which I fired up my browser, which then displayed a page with a long and complicated fable which only applies to reality and makes its point if you already start out agreeing with it |
| 02:02.41 | itchi | amphi: Bwa, depend, but still interesting to try to play with the power, if i can reduice the consumption and have an longer play on battery |
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| 02:03.05 | Hydroxide | streuner: and which basically repeated most of the points which had been made so far |
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| 02:03.32 | amphi | itchi: indeed |
| 02:03.34 | streuner | Hydroxide: well, you did listen NOT to all people... |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | Hydroxide: READ MORE FUXOSROSOXRS :) |
| 02:03.35 | geo-rge | Hydroxide: that fable leaves much to be desired... |
| 02:03.46 | reaneyk_ | is there a setting in apt-build for the core2? |
| 02:03.49 | Hydroxide | geo-rge: indeed |
| 02:03.49 | abrotman | i like hex's rant more |
| 02:03.51 | Hydroxide | streuner: hm? |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | a lot more |
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| 02:04.37 | amphi | itchi: I made a trivial init script for it that you're welcome to |
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| 02:05.21 | itchi | amphi: hhhm, are you tomorrow here? :-p Gona try it :-) |
| 02:06.23 | geo-rge | for instance it doesn't say much about how long it took before people started coming at the time when the channel held anywhere from 7 - 20 people |
| 02:06.29 | amphi | itchi: I may well be |
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| 02:06.54 | geo-rge | it immediately sets forth into how people misbehaved, and it seems the thesis is about misbehavior |
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| 02:08.58 | Hydroxide | geo-rge: true. if you don't mind, I'd like to end this discussion and let the channel go back to being helpful without the meta-noise...k? |
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| 02:09.21 | eggleston | Guerin, alright! the first cd is burning, damn that was a long slow proccess, but informative so i guess it's alright |
| 02:09.37 | linux_jones | how do you end messages between users in the termanal? |
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| 02:11.42 | geo-rge | Hydroxide: fine. (you might consider what tone you intended for "k?"... were you annoyed?) |
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| 02:12.48 | abrotman | holy crap .. stop already |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 02:13.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:13.02 | gravity | In the name of love. |
| 02:13.05 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 02:13.08 | streuner | hehe |
| 02:13.18 | linux_jones | is the a windows media center clone for linux? |
| 02:13.25 | streuner | haha |
| 02:13.26 | geo-rge | why would there be |
| 02:13.38 | gravity | linux_jones: What does windows media center do? |
| 02:13.42 | linux_jones | for the xbox 360 thing |
| 02:13.57 | geo-rge | define "thing" |
| 02:13.58 | gravity | Heh, I *wish* had an xbox 360 so I knew what you were talking about :-) |
| 02:13.58 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: can you describe it for those of us who aren't familiar? |
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| 02:14.20 | itchi | amphi: I have find that U*n*u howto there, with it, looks very simply to do |
| 02:14.25 | streuner | gravity: the old xbox was a 700Mhz with nvidia ... |
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| 02:14.58 | linux_jones | with a 360 you can connect to a computer with MCE and stream videos pictures and music over a network and to the xbox to view them on the tv |
| 02:14.58 | streuner | i have no idea was 'stick' into that 360 |
| 02:15.28 | streuner | s/was/what/ |
| 02:15.29 | gravity | I'm not sure if any one app can stream both music and videos. |
| 02:15.34 | gravity | Maybe mplayer? |
| 02:15.37 | gravity | Or totem |
| 02:15.45 | amphi | itchi: it is; patch, cat the sysfs file(s) to some_file(s), as a backup, set the userspace governator, and muck about with mprime in torture mode at each freq, until you find the lowest stable voltage for it |
| 02:15.46 | Hydroxide | gravity: for TV viewing? |
| 02:15.54 | gravity | Hydroxide: That's a whole other issue |
| 02:16.02 | gravity | That's pure Xorg |
| 02:16.05 | amphi | itchi: well, patch and build the kernel ;) |
| 02:16.05 | geo-rge | there's a thing called a tv for tv viewing... |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | crazy talk! |
| 02:16.43 | linux_jones | no, you can view the media stored on the computer on the tv |
| 02:16.46 | karsten | geo-rge: That's why I got a tivo. |
| 02:16.48 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: I don't think there's any pre-canned solution for Linux that has as easy initial setup as Windows Media Center, but there are definitely ways of having nice TV remote-friendly interfaces for viewing media |
| 02:16.51 | geo-rge | it's best placed in a far and different room from the computer |
| 02:16.52 | karsten | geo-rge: It watches TV for me. |
| 02:17.05 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: you might want to check out mythtv and freevo, which also have PVR functionality in addition to letting you watch movies |
| 02:17.08 | geo-rge | in russia, tv watches YOU! |
| 02:17.14 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: I think at least mythtv has a debian package |
| 02:17.23 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: however, I've never actually used either one |
| 02:17.24 | karsten | geo-rge: In Korea, only old people watch TV. |
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| 02:17.35 | karsten | geo-rge: ... and in *North* Korea, only old TVs watch you. |
| 02:17.42 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i try to first look to what im going to do |
| 02:18.05 | amphi | itchi: mprime seems the best brutal tester |
| 02:18.37 | linux_jones | the problem with that is, the xbox looks specificaly for wMCE |
| 02:18.46 | amphi | itchi: the sysfs iface allows you to adjust a single freq/voltage pair at a time |
| 02:18.47 | itchi | amphi: I take notes, like i dunno what mprime is at this stage ;-) |
| 02:19.08 | amphi | itchi: from mersenne.org IIRC |
| 02:19.27 | amphi | itchi: for our purposes it's good for torturing cpu and ram |
| 02:19.30 | amphi | ;) |
| 02:19.56 | amphi | itchi: and it comes with a 'torture mode' option! |
| 02:19.59 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: oh I don't think anyone's made an xbox360-compatible solution ... microsoft probably hasn't even released any specs for that so it would have to be reverse-engineering and almost necessarily inferior and playing perpetual catch-up |
| 02:20.23 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: your xbox 360 can probably run Linux though ... check www.xbox-linux.org for info and to see if they have it working on the 360 yet |
| 02:20.28 | itchi | amphi: hehe |
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| 02:20.56 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: if so then you can probably rig up something, which will have the bonus of being better tailored to your needs and free of DRM restrictions, even if it will be more work to set up |
| 02:21.44 | gravity | Plus, tinkering is fun! |
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| 02:22.17 | amphi | itchi: you could also run it for it's intended purpose; eff is offering 100,000usd to the person who finds a ten million digit prime number ;) |
| 02:22.32 | Hydroxide | gravity: that it is |
| 02:22.45 | linux_jones | that would be fucking awesome |
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| 02:22.58 | itchi | amphi: heh, yeah :-p |
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| 02:23.16 | itchi | amphi: Just switched to the Dutch verion :-) |
| 02:23.39 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: enjoy then :) and although probably very few of us if any have experience with these particular software programs, we can certainly take a shot at any general debian or linux questions that you can't solve yourself after trying to do so first |
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| 02:23.56 | itchi | amphi: In the dutch section, it talked about it near the top |
| 02:24.03 | Hydroxide | linux_jones: (some will surely come up while you set up this rig) |
| 02:24.35 | linux_jones | im sure they will |
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| 02:27.02 | amphi | itchi: http://www.iaeste.dk/~henrik/projects/mprime.html |
| 02:28.24 | itchi | amphi: With my old 300Mhz, how many time will it take?? |
| 02:28.37 | itchi | :-p |
| 02:29.30 | amphi | itchi: just use it for 'vigourous interrogation' of your cpu ;) |
| 02:31.25 | itchi | amphi: Im sure, my laptop is not fast enought to get the jackpot :-( Let you work your stuff for you to hope to get money? |
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| 02:31.48 | amphi | itchi: no, I don't run mprime |
| 02:31.57 | itchi | amphi: hehe |
| 02:32.13 | amphi | no spare cycles much of the time |
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| 02:39.52 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 02:39.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:45.10 | exobyte | is there an easy to configure vpn that can tie two internet connections together for faster throughput? |
| 02:45.56 | Guerin | exobyte: wouldn't you just bridge the connections and run the vpn over that? |
| 02:51.31 | jatt | haha nice |
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| 02:51.37 | exobyte | Guerin: umm |
| 02:51.44 | abrotman | jjazz: or you can connect to FN on the other port |
| 02:51.57 | exobyte | Guerin: bridging usually means the same IP. |
| 02:52.12 | Guerin | mm, ok, I clearly don't get what you mean to do |
| 02:52.41 | jjazz | abrotman: pardon? |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | he's talking about channel bonding |
| 02:52.51 | streuner | hehe |
| 02:52.54 | abrotman | jjazz: your router is getting reset by the DCC crap |
| 02:52.54 | exobyte | abrotman: probably |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | !channelbonding |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | !channel bonding |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | bah .. google |
| 02:53.10 | streuner | !listvals bonding |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | there's a howto out there |
| 02:53.14 | geo-rge | there are protocols where you bind a pair of connections together, but both start at one place and end in another |
| 02:53.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bonding' by value (1): bonding. |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 02:53.19 | dpkg | hmm... bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source |
| 02:53.32 | jjazz | abrotman: I'll just sign off for a bit. I'm just idling anyhows. |
| 02:53.40 | abrotman | jjazz: he's gone now .. |
| 02:53.43 | exobyte | abrotman: close, but not quite; I have two different public IP addresses |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | jjazz: see if your router has new firmware available |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | exobyte: google for the howto |
| 02:54.35 | jjazz | abrotman: I'll check, although it's fairly new. I keep meaning to turn a spare box into a router. Maybe now's the time. |
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| 02:55.27 | abrotman | jjazz: you can also connect to FN on 8001 i think .. which nullifies the exploit |
| 02:56.02 | geo-rge | this is an exploit for a particular client? |
| 02:56.11 | geo-rge | s/for/of/ |
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| 02:56.49 | abrotman | geo-rge: google "netgear dcc exploit" |
| 02:57.22 | geo-rge | oh, ok... IU don't have a netgear; thanks |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | it's not just netgear |
| 02:58.43 | geo-rge | if you expand it all the way, it includes a subset of all these little routers you can buy? |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | not sure |
| 02:59.49 | jjazz | abrotman: Crappy Netgear website does not make it clear how to acquire new firmware. If only there was a version of this exploit that patched the bug. |
| 02:59.51 | geo-rge | example of something not included, a linux-based masquing firewall? |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
| 03:00.29 | streuner | they don't give a damn about |
| 03:00.39 | streuner | they want sell newer hardware... |
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| 03:01.46 | unlink | how do i show *all* packages i have installed |
| 03:01.54 | jjazz | abrotman: A friend of mine does penetration testing. He's actually developed versions of exploits that close the door behind them. |
| 03:02.17 | streuner | unlink: dpkg -l |
| 03:02.33 | streuner | unlink: read 'man dpkg' |
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| 03:02.48 | abrotman_ | jjazz: sure .. but it's not an exploit that gets you anything .. it just resets the router |
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| 03:03.02 | unlink | ah, perfect. thanks. |
| 03:03.12 | jjazz | abrotman_: So pointless. |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman_ | jjazz: except that it trips your router ... |
| 03:03.44 | unlink | streuner: it's misleading because the man page implies there's a mandatory argument to -l |
| 03:04.10 | streuner | l = like "lame" |
| 03:04.13 | jjazz | abrotman_: Ah, yes, how useful. |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman_ | jjazz: up to you |
| 03:04.41 | geo-rge | so it doesn't say in the synopsis, -l [ something ]? |
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| 03:04.50 | unlink | no |
| 03:05.04 | unlink | dpkg -l | --list package-name-pattern ... |
| 03:05.05 | dpkg | ii | --list package-name-pattern ... 3.8-4.2 unlink's private stamp collection |
| 03:05.36 | unlink | haha |
| 03:05.43 | ehazlett | greetings all... how can i find the real package name say from a file like packagefile.deb ? |
| 03:05.57 | ehazlett | if they didn't name it properly... |
| 03:06.26 | abrotman_ | !installed |
| 03:06.26 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 03:07.00 | ehazlett | how can i do it without it being installed? |
| 03:07.13 | streuner | !pdo |
| 03:07.13 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 03:07.34 | Guerin | ehazlett: you can't really, if it's not properly named. If you have the .deb you can unpack it with ar -x |
| 03:07.35 | jjazz | abrotman_: Netgear says my router is not upgradable. |
| 03:07.39 | jjazz | :( |
| 03:07.49 | ehazlett | Guerin: thanks... |
| 03:08.47 | unlink | oops, sudo apt-get remove --purge deborphan is not the same as sudo apt-get remove --purge `deborphan` |
| 03:08.48 | abrotman_ | jjazz: weird |
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| 03:09.27 | jjazz | abrotman_: yep. I guess I'll connect on 8001 |
| 03:09.38 | abrotman_ | whee :) |
| 03:10.11 | jjazz | Seems openwrt won't run on the thing either. |
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| 03:12.41 | abrotman_ | jjazz: put windows on it |
| 03:13.48 | jjazz | abrotman_: Maybe wince will fit. I've always wanted a router that can't talk to my debian boxes. |
| 03:14.13 | abrotman_ | hehe |
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| 03:17.38 | geo-rge | unlink: info bash and look for command substitution to see why |
| 03:18.18 | magyar | my etch install doesnt boot today i only het a /init and kernel panic, it was working fine for a few days |
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| 03:19.37 | geo-rge | magyar: why? what did you change? |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman_ | "nothing!" |
| 03:20.07 | magyar | geo-rge: nothing, i shut her down yestarday |
| 03:20.08 | geo-rge | if that's the case... rule out hardware problems |
| 03:20.59 | magyar | i have a duak boot, ms seems to work |
| 03:21.04 | magyar | dual |
| 03:21.18 | magyar | grub is the boot loader |
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| 03:22.11 | magyar | dont see any hardware issues, memtest works fine |
| 03:22.54 | magyar | i mount all the partitions with ext2ifs |
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| 03:30.44 | piper69 | schme``are you there |
| 03:31.47 | unlink | geo-rge: uh, i know why |
| 03:31.53 | unlink | geo-rge: it was a joke |
| 03:33.10 | geo-rge | unlink: note that I can't tell what you know... it's a similar concept to "only you (generally) can see your screen" |
| 03:34.18 | DaveyB | Does anyone know any report or anything written that shows that there is a dramatic decrease in network performance when people are playing games. |
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| 03:35.18 | piper69 | guys i have an old lapy toshiba tecra 8000 , am running Debian 3.11 with kernal 2.4.27-2-386, i have a wireless card D-Link Air DWL-650, it was working fine with orinco, untill someone told me it should be working with hostap and after installing hostap and removing orinco the card stop working and i don't know how to get it to work again , please help me |
| 03:35.46 | ugly | I bought a PCI Radeon 7000 not realizing it wasn't AGP, and I notice that firefox windows draw a little slow (window blind effect) - is that because it's PCI or is it an Xorg driver issue? |
| 03:36.01 | ugly | wasn't happening with an old matrox g450 agp |
| 03:37.37 | abrotman | DaveyB: no .. but i saw one that shows it kills brain cells |
| 03:38.25 | geo-rge | DaveyB: finding support for a specific thesis, ay? |
| 03:38.43 | piper69 | DaveyB are you trying to convince teen or what? |
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| 03:39.16 | geo-rge | it would depend on the game, for one thing |
| 03:39.27 | piper69 | abrotman will you help me with my wireless |
| 03:39.39 | DaveyB | geo-rge, not really an arguement at work, one of the managers lets there team play computer games, which is against company policy and then she argues with me and says that software and multimedia are forms of media storage. I am supposed to take that BS as I am the new boy :/ |
| 03:39.44 | abrotman | piper69: blacklist the driver .. load yours |
| 03:40.01 | DaveyB | Pissed me off, I just want to get some stats in my head ready to destroy her tomorrow. |
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| 03:40.21 | geo-rge | something like that was exactly what I thought |
| 03:40.26 | piper69 | abrotman what do you mean blacklist and how can i do that please? |
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| 03:40.31 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 03:40.31 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 03:40.44 | abrotman | daveyates: wrong channel .. and you won't win |
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| 03:41.15 | DaveyB | abrotman, We are both of the same level. Why don't you think I will win? |
| 03:41.22 | DaveyB | Because I am the new boy? |
| 03:41.41 | geo-rge | you are allowing your emotional state dictate your actions |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | because .. you left out all kinds of possible parameters |
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| 03:42.07 | amphi | DaveyB: "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens" -- Schiller |
| 03:42.08 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 03:42.31 | geo-rge | the proper solution is to have the gaming machines on the same switch |
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| 03:42.50 | DaveyB | amphi, nice quote. |
| 03:42.54 | geo-rge | they're happy, you're happy, you still have a job. |
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| 03:43.12 | abrotman | DaveyB: 100 people playing quake on a 10base2 .. might dramatically decrease network performance |
| 03:43.21 | mynullvoid | anyone here know, who maintain: consultants@debian.org ? |
| 03:43.40 | cr3 | I'm using cdbs to build multiple packages within the same project. how can I define different postinst and prerm for some of these generated packages? |
| 03:43.41 | geo-rge | 10base2?? get rid of that spaghetti crap! |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | mynullvoid: probably the www team |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | geo-rge: hehe |
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| 03:44.00 | DaveyB | mynullvoid, http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 03:44.00 | mynullvoid | I sent email to consultants@debian.org to update my records but not no response |
| 03:44.17 | abrotman | DaveyB: you didn't even say if they were networked games ... tons of people playing solitare will have no effect! |
| 03:44.20 | mynullvoid | DaveyB: yes I know, but I wanted to update my contact info |
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| 03:44.58 | DaveyB | abrotman, It's web based applications. |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | gonna lose! |
| 03:45.03 | DaveyB | s/applications/games |
| 03:45.11 | geo-rge | DaveyB: or keep going the way you're going. make lots of enemies, some of which you will not be aware of... |
| 03:45.18 | geo-rge | see how lohg you last then |
| 03:45.23 | DaveyB | abrotman, what's a good reason _NOT_ to play them, excluding productivity |
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| 03:45.53 | abrotman | RSS ? |
| 03:45.54 | DaveyB | geo-rge, I know what you are saying; |
| 03:45.56 | abrotman | RSI |
| 03:45.56 | amphi | DaveyB: they're mind-rotting filth? ;) |
| 03:45.57 | abrotman | duh |
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| 03:46.17 | DaveyB | abrotman, RSI, I suppose. |
| 03:46.24 | DaveyB | Can't really use that though. |
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| 03:46.51 | geo-rge | oic. so you're going ahead with this no matter what... welp.. GOOD LUCK with that. |
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| 03:47.43 | DaveyB | geo-rge, not at all, I just like to prepare an arguement prior to discussing something, it allows me not to walk into anything foolishly |
| 03:48.32 | abrotman | you're going to lose |
| 03:48.47 | geo-rge | DaveyB: if that's the case, you might also prepare arguments -for- it, and solutions that allow you to create lateral solutions, instead of being a tattle tale |
| 03:49.38 | geo-rge | if she's at your level, it will be much better to have her as a friend than as an enemy |
| 03:50.00 | g333k | hi, how to umount a directory mounted with sshfs? |
| 03:50.01 | castoff | take from someone who learned the hard way...right is not always correct ;-) |
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| 03:50.24 | geo-rge | but south is never correct! |
| 03:50.28 | DaveyB | geo-rge, it's a long story, but I just want to know what apart from RSI are the dangers and problems with playing online games. |
| 03:50.32 | daveyates | abrotman: what do you mean? " wrong channel .. and you won't win" |
| 03:50.40 | abrotman | daveyates: misfire :) |
| 03:50.43 | DaveyB | daveyates, he was talking to me. |
| 03:50.51 | piper69 | abrotman after i blacklist , i removed my pcmcia and reinserted it but still same problem, do i have to restart |
| 03:50.52 | daveyates | np |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | piper69: prolly |
| 03:51.42 | piper69 | abrotman: prolly is not an english word :) |
| 03:51.49 | geo-rge | you have to stare into three electron guns constantly |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | piper69: technically you don't have to, but it will probably make things easier :) |
| 03:52.13 | piper69 | abrotman: remember this was the first time we meet, you were pissed because i said "u" |
| 03:52.16 | geo-rge | howbout polly? |
| 03:52.18 | piper69 | lol |
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| 03:52.27 | piper69 | lol |
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| 03:53.40 | amphi | piper69: trying to provoke an outburst from the bot? |
| 03:53.53 | abrotman | /nick abotman |
| 03:53.57 | geo-rge | prolly polly said to molly, get over there and buy me a dolly! |
| 03:54.16 | mynullvoid | heh |
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| 03:55.56 | jishin | I couldn't set DMA mode for my hdd , using hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb |
| 03:56.06 | geo-rge | had to get christmassy and say something about buying something :) |
| 03:56.25 | abrotman | xmas is all about buying |
| 03:56.38 | jishin | it gives : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 03:56.45 | geo-rge | in a not-buyer's market |
| 03:57.22 | geo-rge | actually the market shifts significantly as the 24th approaches |
| 03:57.53 | abrotman | jishin: maybe your drive doesn't do that ? |
| 03:58.34 | jishin | hdparm -i /dev/hdb gives me this http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 03:58.36 | geo-rge | drives dat don do dat... on the next polly |
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| 04:00.28 | jishin | my hdd now is really slow, just give 3MB/s |
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| 04:04.12 | piper69 | abrotman didn't work, i can see it in ifconfig and when i do ifconfig eth0 up i get "eth0:error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 04:04.25 | dondelelcaro | RoundQube: so |
| 04:04.30 | dondelelcaro | hrm... |
| 04:05.47 | abrotman | piper69: is the hostap driver loaded ? |
| 04:05.50 | abrotman | lsmod to see |
| 04:06.50 | piper69 | abrotman nope , how can i load it |
| 04:06.52 | piper69 | hehhe |
| 04:07.12 | abrotman | i thought you didn't want it loaded! |
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| 04:07.52 | piper69 | abrotman i want the card to work with hostap |
| 04:07.58 | piper69 | not ornioco |
| 04:08.16 | abrotman | load the module .. |
| 04:08.21 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 04:08.56 | piper69 | abrotman modprobe hostap |
| 04:09.00 | abrotman | is one way |
| 04:09.21 | piper69 | i got can't locate module hostap |
| 04:09.37 | abrotman | that's a big problem |
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| 04:11.17 | piper69 | abrotman i am sure i downlaod it from apt-get install hostap |
| 04:11.37 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 04:11.56 | piper69 | i can see it in /etc/ and /etc/pcmcia |
| 04:12.13 | piper69 | abrotman it's 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:12.19 | abrotman | that might be why |
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| 04:13.34 | piper69 | abrotman thats gonna be a really big problem because i don't have ethrnet port on this old lapy |
| 04:13.49 | abrotman | !find hostap sarge |
| 04:13.56 | abrotman | piper69: how'd you install to start ? |
| 04:14.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hostap' (3 of 16): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k7/net/hostap.o) in net/hostap-modules-2.4.27-3-k7 ;; (/etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf, /etc/discover.d/hostap-utils, /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/hostap-utils) in net/hostap-utils ;; (/etc/init.d/hostapd, /etc/default/hostapd, /etc/hostapd/{hostapd.accept|hostapd.conf|hostapd.deny}) in net/hostapd. |
| 04:14.18 | piper69 | abrotman what do you mean |
| 04:14.25 | abrotman | how did you install debian ? |
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| 04:15.31 | piper69 | abrotman part was from the cd and part was from the internet , the card was working with orinoco |
| 04:15.47 | piper69 | abrotman i wanted to use hostap so that i can use kismet |
| 04:15.51 | abrotman | well .. i'd think your kernel should have hostap |
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| 04:16.38 | piper69 | abrotman i do have hostap , i did locate hostap and i can find it in /etc/ hostap and /etc/pcmcia |
| 04:16.44 | krenin | Hi folks; Happy Holidays. |
| 04:17.04 | abrotman | but no driver ? |
| 04:17.07 | piper69 | krenin same to you |
| 04:17.17 | krenin | :) |
| 04:17.26 | piper69 | abrotman i don't know |
| 04:17.42 | piper69 | abrotman which file i should look for |
| 04:17.44 | unixslut` | hey |
| 04:18.02 | abrotman | should be under /lib/ |
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| 04:20.56 | jishin | my drive is SATA, why it appears as /dev/hdb ? |
| 04:21.15 | a_thing | Would this be the best place to ask about APT repos? Or is there a developer channel? |
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| 04:22.30 | piper69 | no drive for hostap in the /lib/ |
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| 04:26.28 | Guerin | a_thing: here, though there are only a few who know anything about them |
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| 04:27.22 | mynullvoid | heh |
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| 04:29.43 | eggleston | i just watched saw on VCD which i burtn |
| 04:29.54 | eggleston | i'm so cool |
| 04:31.02 | CHodapp | VCDs are handy sometimes |
| 04:31.08 | CHodapp | even if resolution is pretty bad |
| 04:31.28 | Guerin | http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/179 # pwn |
| 04:32.39 | mynullvoid | how do I purged removed packages? |
| 04:32.59 | markw | dpkg --purge if I recall. man dpkg and man apt-get |
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| 04:34.23 | Guerin | mynullvoid: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' |xargs dpkg -P |
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| 04:35.29 | mynullvoid | thanks |
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| 04:39.25 | piper69 | can someone show me how to load the drive for hostap |
| 04:39.41 | Guerin | !hostap |
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| 04:40.38 | Guerin | apparently not |
| 04:40.42 | piper69 | i did /etc/init.d/hostapd start and i got rm[ctrl_interface]: no such file or directory |
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| 04:41.02 | Guerin | no idea, sorry. Suggest google or debian-user |
| 04:41.08 | Guerin | or #wireless |
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| 04:42.43 | piper69 | any other suggestions please |
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| 04:43.37 | zetetic | hi |
| 04:43.55 | zetetic | I'm trying to install this printer: Canon Pixma iP4200 |
| 04:44.27 | zetetic | but when I select the file "usr/share/cups/model/canonip4200.ppd"", the installer gives me the following error: |
| 04:44.27 | zetetic | «The PPD |
| 04:44.27 | zetetic | /usr/share/cups/model/canonip4200.ppd |
| 04:44.27 | zetetic | is already installed» |
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| 04:45.48 | zetetic | can someone please help me to install canon pixma ip4200 ? |
| 04:47.12 | zetetic | I have donwloaded and installed the drivers from canan-europe |
| 04:47.40 | zetetic | then I restarted cupsys |
| 04:48.23 | jishin | zetetic: you can get driver for canon pixma here |
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| 04:49.42 | Guerin | zetetic: run foomatic-gui |
| 04:49.57 | Guerin | zetetic: or localhost:631 if you feel like manualness |
| 04:49.57 | zetetic | then in "desktopt|administrator|printing", when I select the file "/usr/share/cups/model/canonip4200.ppd", the installer gives the following error: |
| 04:50.18 | Guerin | zetetic: which installer? from canon? |
| 04:50.31 | zetetic | "the PPD /usr/share/cups/model/canonip4200.ppd" is already installed" |
| 04:50.35 | jishin | zetetic: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ |
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| 04:50.59 | jishin | follow the instructions |
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| 04:51.21 | zetetic | no, the installer from gnome-cups-manager |
| 04:51.38 | Guerin | canon is bad and wrong |
| 04:51.49 | Guerin | but at least they're providing drivers nowadays |
| 04:51.51 | zetetic | it is the gnome-cups-manager that gives the error, saying the PPD file is already installed, but it is not! |
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| 04:52.06 | zetetic | the problem is not the driver, but the gnome-cups-manager |
| 04:52.22 | jishin | if so, try to remove it and install over again |
| 04:52.24 | Guerin | zetetic: so don't use it |
| 04:52.37 | Guerin | zetetic: use foomatic-gui or the native cups interface |
| 04:53.49 | zetetic | I have tryed foomatic-gui, and foomatic-gui allows me to select the file /usr/share/cups/model/canonip4200.ppd |
| 04:54.16 | zetetic | but the printer doens't work |
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| 04:54.42 | zetetic | how can I use the native cups interface? |
| 04:55.32 | Guerin | zetetic: in a borwser, go to http://localhost:631 |
| 04:56.05 | zetetic | this is strange, because on the some computer I was able to install the canon ip4200 without any problems |
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| 04:56.18 | Guerin | same ppd? |
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| 04:56.44 | zetetic | thanks, I'm already there |
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| 04:59.41 | kingsley | What's a good command line tool for making screen shots of X root windows? |
| 04:59.50 | zetetic | in Ubuntu I have installed the drivers from canon web site. On debian should I install the drivers from mambo instead? |
| 05:00.52 | amphi | kingsley: xwd -root | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng > foo.png ;) |
| 05:00.52 | Guerin | kingsley: scrot |
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| 05:01.00 | jishin | zetetic: it work fine with debian too |
| 05:01.45 | zetetic | jishin: which one works fine with debian? |
| 05:04.03 | zetetic | the mambo one or the drivers from cano web site? |
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| 05:05.10 | jishin | the mambo one |
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| 05:06.07 | jishin | thay have driver for Pixus iP4XXX ,so it should work fine with you ip4200 |
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| 05:07.06 | zetetic | ok |
| 05:07.15 | zetetic | I will try those drivers |
| 05:07.53 | zetetic | in the mean time I'm trying the other solution you suggested... I'm on a web page with native cups interface |
| 05:08.16 | zetetic | but it is asking for a username and a password |
| 05:08.18 | CHodapp | grrrr... why is it only the GL applications that can bring down the entire system and hard crash it? |
| 05:08.44 | Guerin | zetetic: root |
| 05:08.55 | kingsley | amphi: Thanks. That worked great. |
| 05:08.56 | zetetic | ok |
| 05:08.57 | Guerin | zetetic: unless you have another user set up for cups |
| 05:09.04 | amphi | CHodapp: heh - googleearth ate my uptime |
| 05:09.25 | amphi | kingsley: it's a handy one, and a series of tubes to boot ;) |
| 05:09.29 | zetetic | so usernane: root and password = my root password? |
| 05:11.05 | Guerin | zetetic: yes, what was it again? |
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| 05:12.23 | zetetic | well, it doesn't recognize my root password |
| 05:12.40 | Guerin | well, that's how it's supposed to work |
| 05:12.46 | Guerin | so I suggest you try again |
| 05:12.59 | Guerin | and it *does* work |
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| 05:13.42 | siimo | hi i just installed debian SID and installed X but i can't start X can someone help me? :/ http://pastebin.ca/284648 is the X log |
| 05:13.59 | Guerin | siimo: you're using sid; troubleshoot your own breakage. |
| 05:14.32 | siimo | Guerin: dont reply then... a lot of other ppl use SID here im just asking if they know anything.... |
| 05:14.45 | siimo | Guerin: doesnt say in the topic this place doesnt allow SID |
| 05:15.06 | Guerin | siimo: no, but the sid faq does say `don't use it if you don't know what you're doing' |
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| 05:15.32 | siimo | but rules here dont say you are not allowed to ask about SID |
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| 05:15.53 | Guerin | *sigh* |
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| 05:16.14 | Guerin | the point being you shouldn't be using it if you're not enough of a ninja to fix it when it breaks |
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| 05:16.30 | Guerin | grep EE /the/log and google the lines you get |
| 05:16.36 | a_thing | Guerin: I think I've figured it out myself anyway. |
| 05:16.41 | Guerin | i can't see anything clear which indicates why it wouldn't start |
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| 05:16.46 | Guerin | a_thing: winna! |
| 05:16.54 | orestyle8 | I am trying to get a UPS to work with debian sarge but am having trouble communicating with the UPS |
| 05:16.58 | siimo | Guerin: i know how to debug it ive made it work before i was asking it here just to find out if anything is broken |
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| 05:17.08 | Guerin | siimo: don't ask here, ask the BTS |
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| 05:17.12 | Guerin | duh |
| 05:17.20 | siimo | but i want to ask here... geez |
| 05:17.23 | siimo | whats your problem |
| 05:17.32 | Guerin | siimo: have you checked the BTS? |
| 05:17.36 | kingsley | Guerin: Thanks for the tip on scrot. |
| 05:17.44 | siimo | i have |
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| 05:17.58 | peteweez | You know how FAT filesystems start from the beginning of the disk and write from there, and they don't store data all over the disk? Are there any more Linux-y filesystems (ext2, ext3, ReiserFS, etc.) that will do this, so that they write in a linear fashion? |
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| 05:18.19 | Guerin | peteweez: nttbomk. |
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| 05:19.28 | CHodapp | why can a GL app hard crash my system anyway? |
| 05:19.37 | Guerin | because GL is in-kernel |
| 05:19.39 | orestyle8 | anyone here configured a ups (tripplite) to work with nut? I also need to check the port (com1) to see if its responding... |
| 05:19.59 | Guerin | orestyle8: checking the port is easy with minicom. I know nothing about UPS. |
| 05:20.21 | Guerin | geo-rge: don't glare, soldier, SHOOT! |
| 05:20.24 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:20.28 | Guerin | CHodapp: ↑ |
| 05:20.38 | CHodapp | Guerin: I'd love to, but some random shittiness keeps it from running |
| 05:21.05 | Guerin | that happens when you use a tool for a purpose other than that for which it was designed |
| 05:21.20 | CHodapp | What tool? |
| 05:21.40 | Guerin | CHodapp: a windows game on !windows |
| 05:21.48 | CHodapp | It's NOT A WINDOWS GAME! |
| 05:21.50 | Guerin | and yes, I know they provide a linux binary |
| 05:21.57 | Guerin | that don't mean it wasn't made FOR windows |
| 05:22.47 | CHodapp | it's based on the Quake III engine, the source to which compiles natively... |
| 05:23.16 | Guerin | contrary to what linus might say, the fact that it compiles does not make it perfect |
| 05:23.50 | CHodapp | NO SHIT it's not perfect. |
| 05:24.35 | CHodapp | But in general id is pretty good about making ports available for Linux that work right |
| 05:25.16 | Guerin | CHodapp: most likely it's not the game, I suppose - most likely it's the proprietary GL driver |
| 05:25.25 | CHodapp | I'm using a proprietary GL driver? |
| 05:25.25 | Guerin | yes, id are the good guys |
| 05:25.29 | Guerin | are you? |
| 05:25.30 | peteweez | Guerin: Thanks anyway :-/ |
| 05:25.37 | CHodapp | You said it, not me |
| 05:25.47 | Guerin | CHodapp: it's usually a fair presumption. |
| 05:25.57 | CHodapp | I have run it on a proprietary driver before, but right now it's running on open source DRI |
| 05:26.02 | Guerin | mm, ok |
| 05:26.04 | Guerin | what card? |
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| 05:26.16 | CHodapp | Radeon 9250 |
| 05:26.35 | Guerin | ah, the last of the supported ones |
| 05:26.40 | CHodapp | yes. |
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| 05:26.48 | Guerin | i was going to buy one of those |
| 05:27.02 | CHodapp | for whatever reason the app likes to randomly stall for 10 seconds and not tell me what's going on |
| 05:27.09 | CHodapp | or just hard crash |
| 05:27.10 | Guerin | but then I decided I didn't have time for gamex0rz which don't involve sitting around a table with my close friends |
| 05:27.23 | Guerin | drinking beer |
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| 05:27.47 | CHodapp | I don't game very much, I haven't actually set up ET in 6 months |
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| 05:29.14 | resistance | heeello everyone |
| 05:29.24 | resistance | anyone here run asterisk? |
| 05:29.46 | PumpkinPie | would trying to transfer 200 different files over a network drop my hard drive perforamce down to 12 mbytes? because of all the seeks to access different parts of the drive? |
| 05:30.15 | Guerin | !anyone use asterix? |
| 05:30.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses asterix, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:30.23 | Guerin | eh, spelling, but whatever |
| 05:30.31 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: yes. |
| 05:30.54 | resistance | dpkg: thanks for the philosphical wisdom man |
| 05:30.54 | dpkg | resistance: sure thing |
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| 05:32.41 | magyar | how can i display mail headers in mutt? |
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| 05:34.18 | zetetic | I can't install canon ip4200 with mambo driver... the installer says the ip4200 is already installer |
| 05:34.59 | Guerin | magyar: h |
| 05:35.00 | unlink | how do i write a makefile so that i have rules A and B, where if i run either rule A or B, it passes that same rule down to a list of subdirectories? likewise, i want to have a rule C which depends on running rule A on a subset of those directories |
| 05:35.19 | unlink | if it's possible, i'd like to make this Makefile pmake-compatible |
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| 05:35.47 | zetetic | even if I chooso any other driver the installer sys it is already installed! |
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| 05:36.05 | zetetic | I think gnome-cups is broken! |
| 05:37.17 | resistance | how does debian react to just pulling the od hd off of one board and putting it on to another one |
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| 05:37.43 | indraveni | hello all |
| 05:37.52 | indraveni | I have installed new os |
| 05:38.09 | Albertoi7 | congratulations indraveni |
| 05:38.21 | indraveni | in the login screen I typed root and it is showing that root login is not allowed |
| 05:38.39 | indraveni | which file I need to edit here |
| 05:38.46 | indraveni | what is single user mode |
| 05:38.55 | Albertoi7 | you don't need to login root in X |
| 05:39.29 | Albertoi7 | use only sudo with your single use is a better option than use root in X indraveni |
| 05:39.40 | Albertoi7 | (sorry if mi english is too bad im from mexico) |
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| 05:40.28 | indraveni | you mean I have to enter as a user and for everything I need to give sudo at the beginning |
| 05:40.41 | indraveni | Is that single user mode |
| 05:40.43 | indraveni | ? |
| 05:40.48 | Sup3rkiddo | indraveni: installed debian from netinst |
| 05:41.46 | Meshezabeel | Greetings, I have a Verbatim 4GB USB Hard Drive, Similar to flash usb memory sticks, I would like to install debian to it. Do I use the same procedure as some are doing with flash sticks, or is it different since it is a min hd? |
| 05:41.59 | Meshezabeel | *mini |
| 05:43.20 | Sup3rkiddo | indraveni: why do you want to login as root through X.. |
| 05:43.56 | zetetic | I can't install canon ip4200. something is broken but this is a fresh debian etch install |
| 05:44.21 | indraveni | Sup3rkiddo:I was just trying that |
| 05:44.32 | predder | Meshezabeel, as long as the drive is mass storage compliant (ie, operates like a flash usb drive when you plug it in) then you would install just as you would for the usb flash |
| 05:44.41 | Guerin | zetetic: check BTS and file a bug if necessary |
| 05:45.08 | Albertoi7 | indraveni you can loging root in blackscreen ? |
| 05:45.09 | Sup3rkiddo | indraveni: debian doesnt come with sudo afresh...you have to install it... |
| 05:46.06 | wakejagr | resistance: actually, i just did that with my system. granted, similar mainboard and proc, same video card. no issues for me. what really matters is that the kernel installed supports the software on the new system |
| 05:46.42 | unlink | which command purges? |
| 05:46.52 | unlink | if you just have config files that you want to remove |
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| 05:48.47 | Guerin | unlink: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' |xargs dpkg -P |
| 05:49.01 | Guerin | !purge |
| 05:49.02 | dpkg | hmm... purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 05:49.05 | unlink | thanks |
| 05:49.13 | Guerin | oh, that aptitude line is easier |
| 05:49.22 | unlink | i was just looking for 'dpkg' |
| 05:49.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:49.36 | unlink | i don't have dpkg, this is a tiny system :p |
| 05:49.40 | unlink | s/dpkg/aptitude |
| 05:49.42 | Guerin | why didn't you just read man dpkg, then? |
| 05:49.52 | unlink | because i didn't know which tool it was |
| 05:50.45 | zetetic | thanks for your help, I need to sleep, bye |
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| 05:54.23 | magyar | Guerin: thank you |
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| 05:58.42 | Meshezabeel | predder, the only thing I was wondering about is that you aren't supposed to install a swap partition if you are using a flash drive, since mine is hd based, does this mean it is alright to install a swap partition? |
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| 06:08.53 | magyar | is iceweasel not in etch? |
| 06:09.15 | Guerin | magyar: you tell us. |
| 06:09.23 | magyar | i dont see it |
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| 06:09.30 | Guerin | then I guess it ain't |
| 06:09.32 | magyar | E: Package iceweasel has no installation candidate |
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| 06:10.31 | magyar | but dpkg -l is listing it |
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| 06:10.48 | OmnipotentEntity | iceweasel doesn't show up in aptitude. |
| 06:10.49 | Guerin | magyar: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:11.16 | OmnipotentEntity | Anyway, anyone know of a good math formula editor/creator? |
| 06:11.41 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: emacs and latex |
| 06:11.56 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: accept no substitutes |
| 06:12.08 | OmnipotentEntity | Guerin, vim and latex it is. |
| 06:12.24 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: a pox on ye vidiots! |
| 06:12.29 | OmnipotentEntity | :D |
| 06:12.35 | Guerin | oh wait ... you already have several poxen |
| 06:12.43 | magyar | l8er all |
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| 06:15.19 | OmnipotentEntity | Though Guerin, I was hoping for something a bit less powerful, because it seems a bit like swatting a fly with a cannon for my needs. |
| 06:15.49 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: yeah, not sure of any others. |
| 06:16.13 | Guerin | just be happy in the knowledge that your learning latex will have its uses in later life |
| 06:16.24 | OmnipotentEntity | I've been meaning to learn LaTeX for quite some time though, now is as good a time as any. |
| 06:16.37 | Guerin | yeh |
| 06:16.51 | Guerin | once you sink the first few days in, it starts to come natural ;) |
| 06:17.22 | unlink | why does starting bash take so long? |
| 06:17.36 | Guerin | unlink: seems fine to me. |
| 06:17.58 | OmnipotentEntity | unlink, what's your .bashrc? |
| 06:18.05 | OmnipotentEntity | If it's giant then.... |
| 06:18.29 | Guerin | !qotd86 |
| 06:18.30 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 06:18.33 | unlink | http://unlink.ath.cx/bashrc |
| 06:18.37 | Guerin | muhahaha |
| 06:18.41 | amphi | that's a classic |
| 06:19.08 | Guerin | unlink: your httpd is retarded, serving that as a BIN file |
| 06:19.47 | unlink | ooh, thanks |
| 06:19.49 | Guerin | but that's not outrageous by any means |
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| 06:20.07 | Guerin | unlink: how long does it take? |
| 06:20.07 | centrx | this is outrageous! |
| 06:20.12 | unlink | about 2-3 seconds |
| 06:20.38 | unlink | more when the system's under load |
| 06:20.55 | OmnipotentEntity | what's your specs? |
| 06:21.40 | unlink | it's a MPC8241 powerpc processor, 266 MHz |
| 06:21.54 | unlink | 128 MB of RAM |
| 06:22.07 | unlink | about as powerful as a 586. |
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| 06:22.15 | OmnipotentEntity | I'd try debsums on your bash installation if you're worried about it. But bash isn't a tiny shell by any means. On a 266 anything's going to be slow. |
| 06:22.33 | unlink | what do you mean anything? as in any shell? |
| 06:22.54 | OmnipotentEntity | Any modern, non-lightweight shell. |
| 06:23.16 | OmnipotentEntity | Because bash has to hash for autocompletion at startup. |
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| 06:23.27 | OmnipotentEntity | And that's what's taking much of the time. |
| 06:23.31 | unlink | oh, so i should turn off bash_completion. |
| 06:23.36 | OmnipotentEntity | try that. |
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| 06:23.55 | unlink | that did the trick. |
| 06:24.05 | unlink | it is next to instant now. |
| 06:24.15 | Guerin | bash completion is woth a 2-3 second delay to me |
| 06:24.19 | Guerin | and worth it, too |
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| 06:24.30 | OmnipotentEntity | It really is, but if you're that worried about it.... |
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| 06:25.03 | OmnipotentEntity | Auto-completion in bash was actually not enough for me, so I went to zsh. :3 |
| 06:25.05 | unlink | well, completing isn't much faster than typing it myself |
| 06:25.13 | niru | Chandu_:hello |
| 06:25.19 | unlink | it's only helpful when i don't know the rest of the string |
| 06:25.25 | niru | Chandu_:I created the installable CD |
| 06:25.46 | niru | Chandu_:But while installing I got the following error: |
| 06:26.24 | amphi | OmnipotentEntity: and spell-checking for commands - the drubkard's shell ;) |
| 06:26.34 | amphi | er, drunkard's |
| 06:26.39 | Chandu_ | niru, hi |
| 06:26.40 | Guerin | amphi: perfect |
| 06:26.48 | amphi | heh |
| 06:26.48 | Chandu_ | niru, what error |
| 06:26.54 | niru | Error were encountered while processing :/cdrom/pool/main/u/udebs/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:27.06 | Guerin | niru: paste the whole output to paster |
| 06:27.08 | niru | Unable to install the selected kernel |
| 06:27.28 | Chandu_ | niru, check in your cd pool , whether the kernel image is present |
| 06:27.32 | niru | ok Guerin |
| 06:27.53 | OmnipotentEntity | And autocompleting my .debs, and modules, and users, and make targets.... |
| 06:27.54 | niru | yes Chandu_,its there |
| 06:28.04 | Chandu_ | niru, ok |
| 06:28.22 | unlink | bash completion is nice... if completing takes less time than than thinking of it and typing it ;) |
| 06:28.28 | Chandu_ | niru, check with alt+f4 , what it is showing |
| 06:28.33 | unlink | incidentally, i am writing a new shell with even more advanced completion |
| 06:28.42 | unlink | advanced = cpu-hungry |
| 06:28.42 | niru | Chandu_,linux-image-2.6.17-2-686_2.6.17-9_i386.deb |
| 06:28.49 | srivasta__ | I was a bash user for over a decade, and then moved to zsh, and have not looked back since |
| 06:28.56 | dietbuddha | I'm trying to upgrade from 2.6.12 to 2.6.18, but I'm having problem with my 3ware raid card. All the 2.6.18 fail to boot, with "3w-xxxx: scsi4: AEN: WARNING: SMART threshold exceeded...". Any ideas? |
| 06:29.02 | OmnipotentEntity | srivasta__, *high five* |
| 06:29.17 | dietbuddha | btw: zsh kicks ass |
| 06:29.22 | OmnipotentEntity | vim keys are much better in zsh too. |
| 06:29.40 | niru | Chandu_:I have restarted my system but this is what I saw in the console(alt+f4) |
| 06:29.53 | srivasta__ | it took me a week and browsing the sources to feel competent with zsh completion stuff dirung the gtransition, though |
| 06:29.55 | Chandu_ | niru, ok .. |
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| 06:30.25 | srivasta__ | stupid cramped laptop keyboard |
| 06:31.02 | Chandu_ | niru, may be that package is corrupted or your cd is corrupted .. installer is not able to read that fro mteh cd .. I hope .. |
| 06:31.11 | Chandu_ | niru, check writing to another cd |
| 06:31.55 | niru | Chandu_:ok that may be one of the reason.I shall try it writing to another cd and come back to you |
| 06:32.00 | unlink | are debian init scripts dash-clean? |
| 06:32.21 | Guerin | unlink: yes. |
| 06:32.28 | srivasta__ | unlink: most of them should be |
| 06:32.32 | Guerin | unlink: sh-clean, itwym |
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| 06:33.19 | srivasta__ | unlink: though it is considered legal to use /bin/bash and then freely use bashisms, fer instance |
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| 06:34.14 | niru | Guerin:http://pastebin.ca/284727 |
| 06:34.14 | Chandu_ | niru, sure |
| 06:34.49 | Chandu_ | niru, The link u have given is not working .. |
| 06:34.49 | Guerin | bah, that was the whole error |
| 06:34.56 | Guerin | Chandu_: does for me |
| 06:35.08 | Chandu_ | niru, oh .. wil lchek it again then |
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| 06:35.13 | Guerin | niru: do you not have a network? |
| 06:35.15 | Arafangio1 | *sigh* |
| 06:35.47 | Arafangio1 | Damn gaim. |
| 06:35.50 | Chandu_ | Guerin, its workign now .. I gave wrong link |
| 06:36.09 | niru | Guerin:? |
| 06:36.34 | Guerin | niru: does the machine which gave that error have network access? [YN] |
| 06:36.49 | niru | Guerin:yes it has |
| 06:37.11 | Arafangio1 | How do I tell aptitude NOT to remove my current running kernel? |
| 06:37.27 | Guerin | niru: /msg dpkg mirrors, add a mirror to the sources.list, comment the cdrom line, and try to install a kernel that way |
| 06:37.53 | Guerin | Arafangio1: remove the metapackage which is being upgraded - linux-image-2.x-arch |
| 06:37.55 | unlink | srivasta__: oh. |
| 06:38.03 | niru | Guerin:ok |
| 06:38.03 | unlink | srivasta__: well, at least they announce their dependency. |
| 06:38.08 | niru | Guerin:I shall try |
| 06:38.12 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: But I want to install that as well :( |
| 06:38.35 | Guerin | Arafangio1: if you have the metapackage installed, it will be upgraded. You could /msg dpkg hold. |
| 06:38.50 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: Aptitude refuses to hold hte "broken" package. |
| 06:38.59 | unlink | srivasta__: it doesn't seem that i have any of those installed, anyway |
| 06:39.04 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: It's an upgrade from Sarge to Etch. |
| 06:39.19 | Guerin | Arafangio1: the metapackage or the real package is broken? |
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| 06:39.42 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: The changes in etch are apparently incompatible with the current kernel. |
| 06:39.44 | Guerin | Arafangio1: when upgrading, consider removing packages which cause trouble, and reinstalling them after. |
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| 06:39.54 | Guerin | Arafangio1: yes, mostly due to yaird/udev |
| 06:39.56 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: That's an idea. |
| 06:40.39 | srivasta__ | unlink: yeah. Using bash features while not having #! /bin/bash would be a bug, perhaps even an important bug, for any script placed in there |
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| 06:41.11 | jeremiah__ | hi, just a question, i installed kde after i log in the screen turns black then it goes back again to the login menu |
| 06:42.28 | unlink | srivasta__: slackware does it, hence my concern. (the bashisms being arrays. the networking scripts, in particular) |
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| 06:42.53 | unlink | /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 |
| 06:43.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:43.04 | dpkg | <Michiel1983> dpkg: I have problems with boot for the 2.6.9 kernel, I got a kernel panic:Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) On undernet they told me to: go to irc.freenode.net, join #debian and ask dpkg about bobbitt |
| 06:43.19 | tarzeau | haha |
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| 06:45.47 | Guerin | jeremiah__: sid? |
| 06:46.11 | jeremiah__ | Guerin, what? |
| 06:46.19 | Guerin | jeremiah__: Sid, are you using it? |
| 06:46.45 | Eruantalon | dpkg bobbit |
| 06:46.55 | Guerin | tt |
| 06:47.03 | jeremiah__ | no i dont think so Guerin |
| 06:47.10 | Guerin | !think |
| 06:47.10 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 06:48.14 | Arafangio1 | What's the best way to find the differences between /etc/foo.conf and the "official" version of foo.conf? |
| 06:48.16 | jeremiah__ | lool |
| 06:48.42 | Guerin | Arafangio1: diff |
| 06:49.00 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: diff with _what_? |
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| 06:49.19 | Guerin | Arafangio1: the official file, from the package |
| 06:49.27 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: What's the easiest way to do that? :) |
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| 06:49.48 | Guerin | Arafangio1: well, it gets complex, since the files are often dependent on your debconf choices |
| 06:49.52 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: Download the package, decompress it, get the file, then perform the diff? |
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| 06:50.01 | Guerin | Arafangio1: yeah |
| 06:50.11 | Guerin | but that might not always yield useful results |
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| 06:50.29 | Guerin | easiest would be to back up, reinstall the package, and diff those files |
| 06:51.25 | Chandu_ | niru, did you get that |
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| 06:52.36 | Guerin | mm, what I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall (with a translateor) in the Afghan parliament |
| 06:53.07 | Guerin | hm, i've started inserting e's into stuff |
| 06:53.45 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: The situation is that dovecot is not correctly configured for some reason, and until I do so, I can neither remove nor install dovecot. |
| 06:54.22 | Guerin | 1ayou can if you use --force, but yes, it's unwise |
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| 06:55.04 | Arafangio1 | A broken configuration should never result in a half-upgraded package :( |
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| 06:55.13 | jeremiah__ | hey guys how can i remove KDE, i wana try gnome instead? |
| 06:55.16 | Arafangio1 | (The configuration is actually correct for the old version) |
| 06:55.33 | cast | jeremiah__: you can have both installed, you know. aptitude remove kde perhaps |
| 06:55.37 | Arafangio1 | jeremiah__: The two are not mutually exclusive. |
| 06:55.40 | Guerin | Arafangio1: the problem is that the remove script has to stop it - if the breakage prevents that, it can't work |
| 06:56.17 | jeremiah__ | ok how do i make gnome start instead of kde then? |
| 06:56.21 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: It's already stopped. |
| 06:56.39 | Arafangio1 | Guerin: As far as dpkg is concerned, it's not even installed at all, due to the half-upgraded state. |
| 06:57.57 | Guerin | the stop script has to run, but yeah. |
| 06:58.04 | Guerin | use --force-confmiss |
| 06:58.12 | unlink | sysv-rc-conf is absolutely braindead. what do people actually use? |
| 06:58.47 | Guerin | unlink: i just use sh and symlinks, but try rcconf and sysvconfig |
| 06:59.02 | Guerin | both juicy juicy curses |
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| 06:59.16 | Arafangio1 | arafangion@debian:~$ sudo apt-get remove dovecot --force-confmiss |
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| 06:59.27 | Guerin | !force-confmiss |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | !force confmiss |
| 06:59.37 | unlink | is there any way to abolish runlevels altogether? |
| 06:59.43 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 06:59.47 | Guerin | unlink: only use one? |
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| 07:00.07 | Guerin | !confmiss |
| 07:00.07 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 07:00.12 | Guerin | thar she bloows |
| 07:00.29 | niru | Chandu_:I was doing something else |
| 07:00.34 | Chandu_ | niru, ok fine |
| 07:00.47 | unlink | it's impossible to only use one. you have to use 0, 1, S, and least one other. |
| 07:00.51 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:00.58 | Guerin | I know, I know. |
| 07:00.59 | unlink | *0, 1, 6, S, and at least one other |
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| 07:02.27 | unlink | on this system, i have to use sysv-rc. but on my main system, i would like to use something more BSD-init style. |
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| 07:02.34 | Guerin | unlink: you'd use an alternate init, I guess. |
| 07:02.50 | unlink | currently i'm using file-rc, which is okay. |
| 07:02.53 | Guerin | oh, i think you can |
| 07:03.01 | Arafangio1 | unlink: Consider slackware. |
| 07:03.17 | unlink | Arafangio1: slackware still forces runlevels on you. More in fact. |
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| 07:04.15 | Arafangio1 | arafangion@debian:~$ sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install dovecot |
| 07:04.29 | Arafangio1 | ... many lines removed... |
| 07:04.31 | Arafangio1 | Starting mail server: dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 84: Unknown setting: protocol |
| 07:04.34 | Arafangio1 | *gah*! |
| 07:04.45 | unlink | <pipe-dream> Really, I'd like FreeBSD with Debian's application support and Linux's driver + acpi support. </pipe-dream> |
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| 07:05.30 | Arafangio1 | So, what am I still doing wrong? |
| 07:07.52 | Arafangio1 | Deleting the conf file did the trick, for some really wierd reason. |
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| 07:10.19 | Seb | unlink: http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/ |
| 07:11.02 | Seb | unlink: if you only care about init-style, apt-get install file-rc |
| 07:11.53 | siimo | can someone tell me what i am doing wrong with xorg? it just doesnt start.. there are no errors just warnings... i have tried both unstable and testing now :S |
| 07:12.11 | Seb | siimo: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:12.16 | unlink | Seb: that's what i'm using. |
| 07:12.29 | Seb | unlink: what's wrong with it ? |
| 07:12.39 | siimo | Seb: http://pastebin.ca/284713 |
| 07:12.47 | unlink | Seb: i'm still stuck with managing runlevels, and i don't get /etc/rc.conf |
| 07:13.14 | unlink | kfreebsd is damn cool, though. |
| 07:13.27 | cast | very cool. |
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| 07:13.44 | siimo | Seb: the X screen like flashes for a second and quits... i can see the mouse pointer in the middle etc |
| 07:13.46 | cast | gets the whole gnu/linux point across quite well imo |
| 07:13.48 | Supaplex | !kbsd |
| 07:13.48 | dpkg | somebody said kbsd was shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd |
| 07:13.56 | Seb | unlink: hmmm it must have changed fairly recently |
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| 07:14.07 | Seb | unlink: cause i don't have it anymore either |
| 07:14.09 | unlink | Seb: file-rc used to be /etc/rc-based? |
| 07:14.17 | Seb | unlink: read the doc in /usr/share/doc/file-rc ? |
| 07:14.34 | Seb | unlink: yes |
| 07:14.48 | unlink | it's /etc/runlevel.conf |
| 07:15.01 | Seb | unlink: ah you tricked me :) |
| 07:15.11 | Seb | unlink: so what's wrong with this file ? |
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| 07:16.06 | unlink | i'd rather have lighttpd_enable="YES" instead of 20 0,1,6 2,3,4,5 /etc/init.d/lighttpd |
| 07:16.11 | unlink | or whatever |
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| 07:16.36 | ircdevil | sup |
| 07:16.50 | unlink | it's more logical to me to have defaults built in, which you override when appropriate, then editing the master file for everything. |
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| 07:17.03 | siimo | any idea what is up with it Seb |
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| 07:17.56 | Seb | unlink: you don't run any window manager/x client ? |
| 07:18.03 | Seb | hrm siimo |
| 07:18.14 | unlink | Seb: what do you mean? |
| 07:18.15 | Seb | unlink: well rc.local does exit |
| 07:18.16 | siimo | Seb: yeah i do... xfce.. i tried running startxfce4 |
| 07:18.25 | siimo | Seb: it didnt work either... so i tried startx |
| 07:18.27 | Seb | siimo: how do you know ? |
| 07:18.40 | Seb | siimo: startx is what you should be using no matter what |
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| 07:18.57 | siimo | Seb: that output is after running startx but it quits |
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| 07:19.17 | unlink | yes, i'm using X right now. no display manager or anything, though |
| 07:19.22 | Seb | siimo: ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:19.38 | Seb | unlink: that was meant for siimo :) |
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| 07:20.04 | Seb | unlink: what do you not like about /etc/rc.local ? |
| 07:20.46 | Seb | unlink: hrm that seems to be something else |
| 07:21.31 | siimo | Seb: http://pastebin.ca/284748 |
| 07:22.26 | Seb | siimo: well did you check this variable ? |
| 07:23.07 | siimo | its empty |
| 07:24.46 | Seb | siimo: well then maybe it'd make sense to try setting it to "/etc/xdg" and see what happens ? |
| 07:25.07 | siimo | ok thanks brb |
| 07:25.18 | craigevil | siimo: are you using the correct driver for your video card? |
| 07:25.26 | Seb | craigevil: yep |
| 07:26.03 | craigevil | monitor refresh rate might be wrong, i had an older monitor that did that, started just fine then when blank |
| 07:26.28 | Seb | craigevil: scroll up... xfce4 wants to start |
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| 07:26.47 | siimo | craigevil: yeah i am .. the radeon driver |
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| 07:30.03 | liable | hola |
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| 07:33.18 | jishin_ | where can i find a patch for kernel 2.6.8 to support SATA drive |
| 07:34.12 | liable | prolly easier to get a new source/image |
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| 07:35.13 | Arafangio1 | Hmm, seems that the upgrade to Etch cannot as yet actually perform successfully. |
| 07:35.26 | jishin_ | i try to apt-get linux-image-.2.6.18-3-686 from backports but the dependencies let me down |
| 07:35.55 | Arafangio1 | (My server's down after rebooting - therefore, fail :( ) |
| 07:36.44 | liable | jishin_: the errors are? |
| 07:36.56 | jishin_ | dependencies about initramfs-tools, yaird and linux-initramfs-tool |
| 07:36.57 | liable | Arafangio1: ouch, blame udev :) |
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| 07:37.22 | Arafangio1 | liable: Nope, if that were the problem, then it should reject the connection. |
| 07:37.41 | Arafangio1 | liable: Either my server's hung on the shutdown (entirely possible), or it's hung on the resumption. |
| 07:37.42 | liable | Arafangio1: eh? |
| 07:38.28 | liable | only ssh access? |
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| 07:39.15 | Arafangio1 | Yup, but I might drive there on Friday. |
| 07:39.26 | siimo | Seb: doesnt work still now i dont have a ~/.xsession-errors either |
| 07:39.29 | siimo | but nothing starts |
| 07:39.46 | jishin_ | I'd like to upgrade kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 , but i got kernel panic because of 2.6.8 use devfs by default but no longer be in 2.6.18 (udev) |
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| 07:40.22 | liable | Arafangio1: no ping even? |
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| 07:40.50 | jishin_ | so, it couldn't recognize my devices. Athough I installed udev related packages , don't have devfs packages on my box |
| 07:40.56 | liable | jishin_: if backports is being a tard, just compile one with your needed drivers compiled in |
| 07:41.04 | Arafangio1 | liable: I don't believe so, no. firewall blocks pings anwyay, but I suspect that it's actually hung on the shutdown. |
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| 07:41.29 | siimo | can someone tell me what may be wrong? :\ |
| 07:41.38 | jishin_ | yeah, that what I did, but I don't know exactly where I get driver for my SATA |
| 07:41.47 | liable | Arafangio1: cant blame etch for that then.. why do you say that? |
| 07:41.59 | Arafangio1 | liable: I have high standards :) |
| 07:41.59 | liable | jishin_: google :) |
| 07:42.06 | jishin_ | which use Intel controller , ICH7 |
| 07:42.14 | Arafangio1 | liable: I just feel that the upgrade process should be smoother. |
| 07:42.26 | liable | Arafangio1: i meant, why do you think its hung on shutdown? |
| 07:42.28 | Arafangio1 | liable: Perhaps via a sarge -> preetch -> etch |
| 07:42.34 | dietbuddha | Did the sata deveice names change between 2.6.12 and 2.6.18? I know the sata driver was deprecated (sata support moved into ata driver?) |
| 07:42.50 | Arafangio1 | liable: Call it ESP :) |
| 07:43.19 | liable | Arafangio1: etch isnt released yet, and the release notes detailing possible hangups arent out, so i guess your on your own a bit.. |
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| 07:43.38 | Arafangio1 | liable: True, and I suspect that few people are currently upgrading to etch remotely :) |
| 07:43.39 | jishin_ | the sata devices name ? What you mean 'bout that |
| 07:43.49 | dietbuddha | /dev/sda |
| 07:43.57 | liable | jishin_: ich7 is in the scsi drivers options in menuconfig |
| 07:43.57 | Arafangio1 | liable: It's my home server, I just happen to be living elsewhere temporarily. :) |
| 07:44.44 | liable | Arafangio1: haha, word of advice, go home before you do a major upgrade :P |
| 07:44.57 | dietbuddha | The device names the disks show up as. I've been having a hard time upgrading my kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.18 because my sata drive is not being found. |
| 07:45.01 | eap | siimo: not been following this, but had a look @ your pastebin, gut feeling tells me your xfce4 packages are not installed properly, somehow... |
| 07:45.31 | siimo | eap: hmmm.. so its not to do with X then? but i just did apt-get install xfce and it says everything is installed |
| 07:45.40 | liable | dietbuddha: google the chipset and kernel versions, unlikely its gone from sd to hd |
| 07:45.50 | eap | siimo: could be, best way to check, fire "X" on command prompt |
| 07:45.57 | liable | dietbuddha: more likely you fuxored your config |
| 07:46.02 | Arafangio1 | liable: I figured: If worst came to worse, I'll add exactly one hour to my trip on the way, at the end of hte week :) |
| 07:46.07 | jishin_ | dietbuddha: it shows /dev/hdb not /dev/sda* |
| 07:46.09 | liable | dietbuddha: have you tried a debian kernel? |
| 07:46.15 | siimo | just X by itself? |
| 07:46.21 | eap | siimo: yes, |
| 07:46.27 | dietbuddha | liable: I was using the standard linux-image packages |
| 07:46.32 | siimo | ok thanks brb |
| 07:46.40 | eap | siimo: will start only X env w/o anthing |
| 07:47.08 | dietbuddha | liable: Now, I'm to the point of compiling my own kernel... :( |
| 07:47.14 | unlink | what is the time complexity of apt-get check? |
| 07:47.26 | liable | Arafangio1: bit of a bugger all the same, i wont be trying an etch upgrade on mine untill all sems to be settled, being headless and me not having a monitor or keyboard to use if it shits itself |
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| 07:48.00 | liable | dietbuddha: standad debian images shat going from .12 to .18? |
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| 07:48.05 | dietbuddha | liable: That's what makes me think the device name changed. I can still boot up 2.6.12, but I can't boot 2.6.18 completely (can't find root which is on the sata drive) |
| 07:48.20 | Arafangio1 | liable: This is also headless, but it's not so much a hassle to attach one to it. :) |
| 07:48.21 | dietbuddha | liable: I don't know... |
| 07:48.28 | Arafangio1 | liable: Chances are it just needs a physical reset. |
| 07:49.07 | jishin_ | liable: I have almost options enable as module in SATA support |
| 07:49.07 | liable | Arafangio1: oh well |
| 07:49.38 | liable | dietbuddha: chipset? |
| 07:49.55 | liable | jishin_: you need ich7 and ext3 etc built in, not modules |
| 07:50.11 | liable | well, your fs support, not neccesarily ext3 |
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| 07:51.03 | dietbuddha | liable: under sata_nv it's Vendor: ATA Model: WDC WD2500KS-00M Rev: 02.0 |
| 07:51.05 | karma | Is Etch still testing? I mean is there a testing branch right now that *isn't* frozen? |
| 07:51.15 | karma | Or is it just sid, sarge/stable, and a frozen Etch? |
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| 07:51.27 | unlink | that would be sid. |
| 07:51.28 | dietbuddha | liable: I assume that's the chipset? |
| 07:51.37 | liable | no |
| 07:51.54 | liable | sid pretty much freezes when etch does |
| 07:52.17 | dietbuddha | liable: I don't have to rip apart my case cuz I don't remember the make, manufacturer do I? |
| 07:52.20 | Arafangio1 | liable: How so? |
| 07:52.21 | jishin_ | liable: actually, don't have any options with ICH7 in name, their some like Intel PIIX/ICH SATA support , |
| 07:52.31 | jishin_ | so I'm not sure that it supports ICH7 |
| 07:52.31 | Guerin | piix FTW |
| 07:52.41 | Guerin | if it doesn't you'll soon find out |
| 07:53.03 | liable | dietbuddha: i am not sure.. that looks like a mixture of HD and controller, paste your lspci to a pastebot |
| 07:53.42 | liable | jishin_: read the help, it tells you what it should support |
| 07:53.56 | liable | ich should be the go |
| 07:54.17 | liable | Arafangio1: what so? |
| 07:54.55 | Arafangio1 | liable: sid freezes pretty much when etch does - how so? |
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| 07:55.49 | liable | Arafangio1: it just does |
| 07:56.41 | liable | Arafangio1: i am not sure if its a policy thing or what, but not much new shizzle comes in sid when testing freezes |
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| 07:59.17 | liable | whats the tools for madwifi stuff again? |
| 07:59.27 | liable | i am having a brain fart.. |
| 07:59.34 | dietbuddha | liable: http://pastebin.ca/284762 |
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| 08:00.46 | dn4 | wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device <-?> |
| 08:01.05 | Arafangio1 | liable: Odd. One would've thought that sid would have more activity once Etch gets frozen. |
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| 08:01.10 | liable | ah!! |
| 08:01.35 | siimo | hmmm.. you were right... if i just start X it works i get this gray screen with a mouse pointer in the middle that i can move around |
| 08:01.40 | liable | dn4: uncannily, you just joined and answered my question :) |
| 08:02.00 | eap | siimo: so its an xfce4 problem i guess.. |
| 08:02.16 | Arafangio1 | dn4: The previous line was: |
| 08:02.22 | siimo | guess so... :) i guess ill install gnome or something for now |
| 08:02.27 | Arafangio1 | (06:59:17 PM) liable: whats the tools for madwifi stuff again? |
| 08:02.50 | liable | Arafangio1: no, etch bugs need to be sorted and i guess the que from sid -> etch needs to be kept under control |
| 08:03.07 | dn4 | Nice! |
| 08:04.12 | liable | siimo: what command are you using to start xfce4? |
| 08:04.21 | siimo | startxfce4 |
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| 08:04.42 | liable | siimo: its xfce4-session or something.. |
| 08:04.42 | liable | oh, thats prolly it.. |
| 08:04.49 | Sup3rkiddo | just wondering..is it dangerous to activate hdparm for hard drives |
| 08:04.56 | siimo | no it is the correct one |
| 08:05.01 | siimo | i been running xfce for a year |
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| 08:05.54 | siimo | how do insert a gpg key into apt |
| 08:06.30 | liable | siimo: /msg dpkg 2006 key (substitute where neccesary) |
| 08:07.13 | liable | the debian xfce4 devs seem a little unusual |
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| 08:07.37 | siimo | how do you import it i dont get it |
| 08:07.43 | siimo | iam supposed to message the irc bot? |
| 08:07.47 | siimo | i have the key |
| 08:07.51 | siimo | http://debian.corsac.net/repository.gpg |
| 08:08.09 | peterS | siimo: you want to use the 'apt-key' script |
| 08:08.12 | liable | yes, /msg the bot, it tells you |
| 08:08.27 | liable | or man apt-key |
| 08:08.39 | liable | i lose again |
| 08:09.27 | liable | Sup3rkiddo: can be, but generally not |
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| 08:09.58 | Sup3rkiddo | liable: oh..might as well turn it off then |
| 08:10.34 | dn4 | Anyone here use wlanconfig to create a sta ? |
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| 08:10.50 | dietbuddha | bummer |
| 08:10.59 | liable | Sup3rkiddo: it can make a significant speed difference at times, have a google around and read the man page |
| 08:11.16 | Sup3rkiddo | liable: ok |
| 08:11.33 | liable | dn4: whats the problem? theres also #madwifi, and they have some really good docs at madwifi.org |
| 08:11.55 | dn4 | wlanconfig ath create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta <-- Gives me the error that I posted right as i joined. |
| 08:13.13 | liable | dn4: and wifi0 exists? modules are loaded? |
| 08:13.35 | siimo | by the way how do i know how to fix this locale problem? |
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| 08:13.49 | siimo | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 08:14.09 | siimo | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 08:14.56 | dn4 | liable, modules are loaded |
| 08:15.11 | dn4 | Don't see wifi0 though |
| 08:15.24 | dn4 | hmmmm |
| 08:15.26 | liable | dn4: and wifi0 exists? |
| 08:15.55 | dn4 | no |
| 08:16.06 | liable | dn4: check dmesg |
| 08:16.06 | liable | dn4: pcmcia? |
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| 08:16.17 | dn4 | pci |
| 08:16.17 | liable | thats worse :0 |
| 08:16.27 | liable | err.. :) |
| 08:16.49 | liable | dn4: card shows in lspci? |
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| 08:17.44 | sussudio | oh look. a spambot. |
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| 08:18.19 | HyperDevil | i want to remove the cronjobs from auth.log *session opened* tings.. it flooding my auth.log :P |
| 08:18.38 | dn4 | liable, not from what I can see |
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| 08:19.25 | peterS | ugh. thanks, sussudio. |
| 08:19.47 | sussudio | so... they're coming from 88.* now. |
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| 08:20.34 | liable | dn4: then try another slot |
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| 08:20.40 | dn4 | brb |
| 08:20.41 | niklaus | any util to take a snapshot of OS |
| 08:20.59 | liable | peterS: nice kick msg :) |
| 08:21.08 | HyperDevil | How can i remove {Cron} session opened from from my auth.log? |
| 08:21.17 | peterS | liable: it's hard to be creative when the spambots keep coming. eventually I'll have to just start repeating myself |
| 08:21.47 | liable | peterS: first time i've seen that one. |
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| 08:22.20 | liable | ie, i wasnt being sarcastic if thats what you thought :) |
| 08:22.40 | peterS | nah, I know, I'm just saying, it's not easy (: |
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| 08:26.25 | tarzeau | niklaus: sdd/dd ? |
| 08:27.06 | RvGaTe | Is there a support channel for the Evolution mail ? |
| 08:27.20 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: maybe at irc.gnome.org |
| 08:28.48 | niklaus | is there any utility that gives the OS snapshot like process states between 2 intervals |
| 08:29.06 | tarzeau | niklaus: there's wisconsin condor that can do something like that, partially |
| 08:29.16 | tarzeau | niklaus: well there's vmware which can do it for wmvware images too |
| 08:29.25 | tarzeau | and there's some cryoprocess tool in ITP |
| 08:29.39 | HyperDevil | How can i remove {Cron} session opened from my auth.log? |
| 08:29.52 | Shadur | tarzeau: I think it landed in unstable a while ago. |
| 08:29.58 | Shadur | HyperDevil: You don't want to do that. |
| 08:30.02 | tarzeau | Shadur: really? what was the name again? |
| 08:30.18 | tarzeau | cryopid - Dumps a process into a self-executing file |
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| 08:30.24 | tarzeau | Shadur: great i wasn't able to build it myself. thanks |
| 08:30.30 | niklaus | tarzeau, what is cryoprocess and ITP |
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| 08:30.46 | tarzeau | niklaus: apt-cache show cryopid (sid) |
| 08:30.48 | dn4 | ok wifi0 is in the system, I can find the ap, how do I connect to it if iwconfig does not exist as a command? |
| 08:31.10 | liable | dn4: install wireless-tools |
| 08:32.17 | HyperDevil | shadur: yes i want.. because all the cron stuff should go to /var/log/cron.log |
| 08:32.49 | HyperDevil | my auth.log file gets around 60MB a day |
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| 08:35.42 | HyperDevil | does somebody know how to do this? |
| 08:36.44 | liable | HyperDevil: how do you get 60MB a day in auth.log? do you have 300000 users or something? |
| 08:37.29 | HyperDevil | 300 users, some of them have crons running every minute |
| 08:37.45 | Grubby | :o |
| 08:37.51 | RvGaTe | thats a big one |
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| 08:37.58 | HyperDevil | so i want everything to do with cron redirected to the /var/log/cron.log |
| 08:38.14 | HyperDevil | and everything with ssh etc to /var/log/auth.log |
| 08:38.40 | liable | HyperDevil: /etc/syslog and uncomment the cron entry? |
| 08:39.19 | HyperDevil | then i disable the loggin to /var/log/cron.log |
| 08:39.29 | HyperDevil | thats something i dont want. |
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| 08:39.33 | gebruiker | How do I know weither swap is on or not? |
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| 08:40.14 | dn4 | ldconfig: Cannot mmap file /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2.4. ldconfig: Cannot mmap file /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2. |
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| 08:40.33 | HyperDevil | liable: mm i think it has something to do with PAM? |
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| 08:41.13 | RvGaTe | gebruiker, swap should be on by default, so if you haven't disabled it yourself, dont worry |
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| 08:41.34 | eap | gebruiker: "free -m" might be of help |
| 08:41.35 | liable | HyperDevil: how does that disable cron logging? it looks to me as though it will log it to cron.log |
| 08:41.36 | gebruiker | that's not a answer to the question |
| 08:41.45 | xingu | HyperDevil: if sshd and cron are both using the same syslog facility/priority, then you need something like syslog-ng |
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| 08:42.01 | RvGaTe | gebruiker, but its a push in the right direction |
| 08:42.11 | liable | HyperDevil: or try removing the * |
| 08:42.15 | dn4 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4852 <-- issue with apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 08:42.16 | gebruiker | nevermind |
| 08:42.27 | xingu | HyperDevil: you also need to hit those users who are scheduling cron jobs at 1m intervals with a "how to daemonise shellcode" cluestick |
| 08:42.39 | Gokee2 | Does anyone know what "whiptail" is? Its using 99.4% of my computer! |
| 08:43.15 | HyperDevil | xingu, well the users are using cron as they should.. im not gonna bug them, because its a pam/debian thing |
| 08:43.40 | HyperDevil | liable: what does the * do? |
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| 08:44.31 | HyperDevil | liable: what do you think i should remove? the cron.* or something else? |
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| 08:45.22 | liable | HyperDevil: i misread that actually, its authpriv.* so i would ignore me |
| 08:45.29 | Gokee2 | Ah now "whiptail" is being fair and letting others use the cpu its only taking up 97.1% of the cpu..... |
| 08:45.51 | HyperDevil | liable: authpriv are the cronjobs? |
| 08:46.44 | pitillo | Gokee2, man whiptail... |
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| 08:47.49 | dn4 | Anyone have ideas why I'm getting issues with apt-get install? |
| 08:47.59 | Gokee2 | pitillo, Ah I see |
| 08:48.05 | pstickne | dn4, it's the UNI! |
| 08:48.30 | dn4 | UNI? |
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| 08:50.21 | Teejay__ | question is debian etch still testing or it is the new stable? |
| 08:50.31 | liable | HyperDevil: man syslog.conf, something like cron.* != auth.log |
| 08:50.31 | peterS | still testing |
| 08:50.49 | peterS | in fact |
| 08:50.50 | Teejay__ | may I ask when it is going to become stable then, just curious? |
| 08:50.54 | peterS | !topicsmite Teejay__ |
| 08:50.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Teejay__. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 08:52.15 | peterS | Teejay__: in all seriousness, we don't know. the target is to get it before the end of the year, but there are a couple of good reasons I can think of why that might not happen |
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| 08:52.23 | Teejay__ | ok |
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| 08:58.17 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:58.17 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 08:58.46 | liable | heh |
| 08:59.54 | dn4 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4852 <-- issue with apt-get install wireless-tools using debian etch after doing a large update |
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| 09:02.30 | valdyn | dn4: ls -l /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2.4 |
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| 09:05.38 | dn4 | ?---r----- 1 root root 84640 2006-08-13 15:40 /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2.4 |
| 09:06.43 | valdyn | dn4: those permissions defenitely are broken |
| 09:06.55 | valdyn | dn4: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2.4 |
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| 09:08.18 | dn4 | libaudio2: /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2.4 |
| 09:08.37 | valdyn | dn4: ok, reinstall libaudio2: 'apt-get install --reinstall libaudio2' |
| 09:09.23 | dn4 | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
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| 09:09.45 | valdyn | dn4: do it |
| 09:10.04 | dn4 | valdyn, leads me back to http://channels.debian.net/paste/4852 <-- issue with apt-get install wireless-tools |
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| 09:10.38 | liable | purge the fucker, see what gives |
| 09:11.12 | valdyn | dn4: remove those 2 files manually |
| 09:11.26 | valdyn | dn4: /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2.4 and /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2 |
| 09:11.33 | valdyn | dn4: rm /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2.4 and /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2 |
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| 09:14.54 | dn4 | Setting up libiw28 (28-1) ... . . . . . .. .... .. . . ... ... .. . . . ..... ... .. ... .. .... .. . .. . .. ... .. .... .. .. . ... .. . .. . . |
| 09:15.17 | tosh | anyone know a CLI ftp client that can do SSL/TLS auth and/or data transfer? |
| 09:15.37 | dn4 | valdyn, removed them and oh it doesn't show up anymore hehehe but still hangs |
| 09:15.50 | blondie | dn4: what's that, some kind of morse code? |
| 09:15.51 | kronic | tosh: ftp-ssl? |
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| 09:17.04 | liable | sftp? |
| 09:18.33 | dn4 | what is libiw28 ? |
| 09:18.53 | valdyn | dn4: wireless interface library |
| 09:19.17 | dn4 | valdyn, is there a way I can see what dpkg is doing when I do dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:19.57 | valdyn | dn4: its executing the postinstall script for each package listed |
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| 09:21.00 | valdyn | dn4: so /var/lib/dpkg/info/libiw28.postinst |
| 09:21.12 | valdyn | dn4: and probably also running debsums over that packages files |
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| 09:22.43 | alfadir | hi, having problem booting.. kernel panic. (sid) problems started after the libattr upgrade, have downgraded the package via knoppix but the system will not boot.. any hints ? |
| 09:23.13 | craigevil | when did you upgrade it? the newest version was supposed to have fix the problems |
| 09:23.36 | alfadir | . /init 148 can not find /scripts/local .. - then kernel panic |
| 09:23.49 | alfadir | well not sure libattr caused the problem |
| 09:24.07 | alfadir | upgraded yesterday.. poweroff, downgraded today.. |
| 09:24.28 | craigevil | 2.4.32-1.1 is the newest version of libattr1 |
| 09:24.29 | alfadir | could be that some things were not working properly with a broken libattr.. |
| 09:24.47 | alfadir | can do a ls -l in a chroot now so libattr works again |
| 09:25.25 | alfadir | but kernel dies at boot when it is about to mount the root file systems with an error like above init.. 148 can not find.. |
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| 09:25.41 | alfadir | 148 is probably a line number but not sure what scripts are run .. |
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| 09:26.17 | alfadir | could be inside initrd.img as well. hmm .. well wel.. will continue to look |
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| 09:37.30 | dn4 | valdyn, still nothing |
| 09:37.37 | dn4 | valdyn, it is still hung up |
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| 09:47.11 | alfadir | found it.. some how i had gotten an broken initrd.img. using the bak file with the grub commandline made it work |
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| 09:47.28 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 09:50.21 | HyperDevil | Where can i configure that CRON does not send the authentication messages to auth.info ? (it is not in syslog.conf) |
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| 09:51.41 | [-Seraph-] | Hi. I need help :( I wanted to install Debian 3.1. But i get always this error while installing the kernel: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hdj1 ist noch a block device |
| 09:51.55 | [-Seraph-] | On Basic installation. |
| 09:52.43 | sep | [-Seraph-], how many drives have you got in that box ? hdj :) |
| 09:53.01 | [-Seraph-] | Only 3. |
| 09:53.15 | [-Seraph-] | I dont know, why hdj |
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| 09:53.41 | liable | how many controllers? |
| 09:54.01 | [-Seraph-] | Raid? |
| 09:54.12 | liable | all up |
| 09:54.40 | [-Seraph-] | 2 Ide onboard, 1 raid. |
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| 09:54.59 | liable | raid accounts for how many drives? |
| 09:55.10 | [-Seraph-] | 2 drives |
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| 09:55.57 | [-Seraph-] | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.10 | liable | check your /boot/map |
| 09:56.32 | [-Seraph-] | How? i cant use anything. |
| 09:56.40 | liable | though i dunno why the installer would see j.. |
| 09:57.12 | liable | [-Seraph-]: is there an old linux install on the box? |
| 09:57.20 | [-Seraph-] | No. |
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| 09:57.44 | liable | weird |
| 09:58.04 | [-Seraph-] | hdj1 is a new ext3 partition, hdj2 a new swap |
| 09:58.09 | esters | maby you should try "etch" ? |
| 09:58.26 | [-Seraph-] | I dont understand. |
| 09:58.30 | [-Seraph-] | "etch"? |
| 09:58.40 | Gnea | !etch |
| 09:58.40 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 09:58.46 | esters | instead of sarge |
| 09:58.50 | Gnea | !branch |
| 09:58.51 | dpkg | hmm... branch is what branch of Debian you are using: Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing (soon to be Frozen), or Sid/Unstable |
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| 09:58.57 | liable | i cant see why that would help |
| 09:59.06 | row | I am getting a error in a app running in wine about too many files open, on a ext3 system is that a wine limit or a fs limit as nothing showing in syslog. How can I increase the limit? |
| 09:59.28 | liable | well, it may, but i would rather see why the installer is labelling the drie j |
| 09:59.47 | liable | row: try #wine-hq |
| 10:00.23 | [-Seraph-] | If i would install debian von hda, i will got no problems. but i want to use winxp and debian... so i have to install debian on a another partition. |
| 10:00.26 | row | liable: thats empty on this server. |
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| 10:01.09 | tosh | what happened to db_load to generate vsftpd virtual users? |
| 10:01.30 | liable | row: it used to be a channel, dunno where the wine folks have gone, check the wine website |
| 10:01.50 | Gnea | [-Seraph-]: so do it |
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| 10:11.30 | santibiotico | hi |
| 10:11.42 | santibiotico | is there any available mirror where i can get ucd-snmpd ? |
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| 10:13.02 | sep | !mirror |
| 10:13.06 | sep | !mirrors |
| 10:13.06 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 10:14.05 | Grubby | !search syck |
| 10:14.11 | Grubby | :< |
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| 10:25.59 | eap | ok |
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| 10:31.22 | bowman | what do I do if a newly created software raid1 array breaks? the system tells me "file system is read only". :( |
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| 10:32.02 | pumpkin0 | bowman: did fsck say something about it ? |
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| 10:34.41 | bobbyz | bowman: check which disk has failed, check the disk for defects and a)replace the disk if it is bad, or b)rebuild the array on the faulty disk if it checks out okay |
| 10:35.51 | Hyperzid | Anyone know which package to install to get keytool.. http://mark.foster.cc/kb/openssl-keytool.html ? |
| 10:36.12 | bobbyz | bowman: depending on the type of disks you are using, it would be a good idea to run some SMART checks on whatever disk is marked as faulty in addition to any other checks |
| 10:36.18 | Hyperzid | tried apt-file search; apt-cache search.. and apt-get.org |
| 10:36.33 | Hyperzid | Any other ways to find debian programs? |
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| 10:38.35 | pumpkin0 | Hyperzid: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages but that is the same information again ... |
| 10:38.45 | xingu | Hyperzid: keytool is part of sun-java5-bin |
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| 10:40.35 | Hyperzid | xingu, how did you find that out? |
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| 10:40.50 | xingu | the force is strong in this one |
| 10:41.12 | Hyperzid | ah.. sun-java5-bin is not in any mirrors :\ |
| 10:41.21 | xingu | non-free probably. |
| 10:41.26 | pumpkin0 | Hyperzid: the link i gave you => "Search the contents of packages" (It is in contrib) |
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| 10:43.01 | ChrisW | mornin', I'm trying to create a .zip using "zip my.zip *" but getting "Arugment list too long" - there's lots of files in the directory I'm trying to zip, anyone suggest a way round this? |
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| 10:43.45 | xingu | ChrisW: ls | zip -@ ... |
| 10:43.58 | ChrisW | what does that do? |
| 10:44.04 | pumpkin0 | ChrisW: or zip the dir. |
| 10:44.16 | Hyperzid | pumpkin0, kidding?.. I cant see any result for "keytool" or "sun-java5-bin" in "Search the contents of packages" |
| 10:44.30 | pumpkin0 | Hyperzid: switch to testing. |
| 10:44.40 | pumpkin0 | Hyperzid: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=keytool&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
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| 10:45.48 | Hyperzid | Ah.. thanks :-) |
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| 10:46.49 | ChrisW | I think the -a option is what I want |
| 10:46.56 | ChrisW | -@, even |
| 10:47.10 | ChrisW | what's the equivalent of "zip myzip *"? |
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| 10:47.32 | HyperDevil | Where can i configure that CRON does not send the authentication messages to auth.info ? (it is not in syslog.conf) |
| 10:47.33 | ChrisW | "zip myzip.zip -@ < ls" ? |
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| 10:48.29 | bobbyz | ChrisW: the problem you're running into is with your shell and not zip. It's simply globbing too much. That's why piping the list of files to zip as xingu said will work |
| 10:48.29 | zamaliphe | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied |
| 10:48.46 | zamaliphe | what to do with that |
| 10:48.48 | streuner | hm |
| 10:48.49 | ChrisW | xingu: right, sorry, 4hrs sleep |
| 10:48.52 | ChrisW | bobbyz |
| 10:48.53 | ChrisW | yes |
| 10:49.10 | ChrisW | so, ls | zip myzip.zip -@ |
| 10:49.11 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: make bin/bash executable. (chmod +x /bin/bash) |
| 10:49.11 | ChrisW | ? |
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| 10:50.47 | xingu | HyperDevil: as I said before, if sshd and cron are both using the same syslog facility/priority, then you need something like syslog-ng |
| 10:51.26 | ChrisW | anyway I can get zip to list the paths in an archive without extracting them? |
| 10:51.36 | xingu | HyperDevil: these things tend to not be configurable; if you prefer, you can recompile |
| 10:52.00 | xingu | ChrisW: unzip -l ? |
| 10:52.13 | ChrisW | ah |
| 10:52.17 | ChrisW | thanks :-) |
| 10:52.25 | Carbon_Monoxide | Hello! |
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| 10:53.32 | Carbon_Monoxide | I can't connect to MySQL 4.x server, while I can connect via localhost. Anyone can help? |
| 10:53.33 | zamaliphe | pumpkin0: -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 677184 2006-10-22 15:55 /media/hda6/bin/bash ? .i mount it using : "mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda6 /media/hda6/" do i miss some thing ? |
| 10:53.43 | TuXTuX | hi |
| 10:53.52 | TuXTuX | somebody can help me with screen |
| 10:54.13 | TuXTuX | i look like how send Return key on a detach screen |
| 10:55.09 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: what does "mount" (without parameters) say about that partition ? |
| 10:55.37 | ChrisW | xingu: zip myzip.zip . seems to work just as well... |
| 10:55.53 | xingu | quite likely |
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| 10:56.13 | TuXTuX | i look like how send Return key on a detach screen |
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| 10:56.45 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: your translator, if you are running one, is not doing a good job |
| 10:57.19 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: I can't understand your question |
| 10:57.53 | zamaliphe | pumpkin0: nothing "mount /dev/hda6 /media/hda6/ ,chroot /media/hda6/ , chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied" |
| 10:58.12 | TuXTuX | bobbyz i 'm not i have few problem to speak today |
| 10:58.35 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: it's okay. Just try to rephrase your question |
| 10:58.54 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: i need the line looking like: "sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec)". It is output by "mount" |
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| 10:59.03 | TuXTuX | bobbyz so, i run a screen procedure( with screen command ) and i need to send e message to this screen which is detach from system |
| 10:59.23 | phated | TuXTuX: Reattach it? screen -dr |
| 10:59.40 | enouf | zamaliphe: what does stat /media/hda6/bin/bash | grep id say? |
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| 10:59.49 | zamaliphe | pumpkin0: no |
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| 11:00.11 | TuXTuX | phated i does not want to reattach it i would send message without reattach |
| 11:00.53 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: I'm not aware of a way to interact with a screen session without reattaching it |
| 11:00.59 | zamaliphe | enouf: Access: (0777/-rwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 11:01.08 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: you run "mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda6 /media/hda6/" and there is nothing about hda6 in the output of "mount" ??? |
| 11:01.42 | phated | TuXTuX: screen -x will not detach it from wherever it's attached to -now-, but again, it will attach it on your end. If you don't want to have it attached at your end at all, then you're on your own and trying to do the impossible. |
| 11:01.45 | zamaliphe | pumpkin0: yes |
| 11:01.55 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: run "mount" without any options, parameters. Just "mount". Still nothing ? |
| 11:02.02 | TuXTuX | bobbyz because i have already find how send a cmd to this screen but i miss the enter key press so my command does not send, |
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| 11:02.12 | TuXTuX | the command was just paste and not send |
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| 11:02.24 | enouf | zamaliphe: odd .. mine is Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) .. have you chmod that? |
| 11:02.33 | zamaliphe | pumpkin0: /dev/hda6 on /media/hda6 type reiserfs (rw) |
| 11:02.55 | Fahrenheit | Hello everyobdy, how can I change the language used with apt ? (I want to use frnech instead of english) |
| 11:03.08 | kronic | anyone know a gtk2 based audio editor? |
| 11:03.09 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: are you saying that you have an attached screen session, but the terminal you are working from doesn't recognize the Return key properly? |
| 11:03.10 | zamaliphe | enouf: yes |
| 11:03.30 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: OK, that is not the problem. run "file /bin/bash" for both bash-files. Same arch ? |
| 11:03.44 | zamaliphe | enouf: i did chmod 777 /media/hda6/bin/bash |
| 11:03.49 | enouf | zamaliphe: not that it matters that much, if at all .. perhaps try and umount from /media, then mount anew using /mnt instead |
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| 11:04.09 | enouf | zamaliphe: follow pumpkin0's lead though for now .. |
| 11:04.32 | pumpkin0 | enouf: you know i'm guessing, don't you ? |
| 11:04.45 | TuXTuX | bobbyz not really i have a detached screen which i send a cmd so the cmd was paste on the detached screen but i need to also send the return key code to apply my cmd |
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| 11:05.00 | TuXTuX | and i do not find the way to send this key code |
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| 11:06.50 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: try using the stuff command as stuff \015 |
| 11:07.11 | enouf | pumpkin0: hehe .. yeah, me too .. i'm thinking he's trying to chroot into itself .. something is funky about it .. zamaliphe , umount that .. and use mount -t reiserfs /media/hda6 .. leave off the /dev/hda6 part |
| 11:07.18 | HyperDevil | xingu: recompile what? why should i recompile? |
| 11:07.48 | enouf | zamaliphe: try using sane names and mount points too.. |
| 11:08.09 | TuXTuX | ok |
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| 11:09.45 | HyperDevil | xingu: recompile what? why should i recompile? |
| 11:10.03 | TuXTuX | bobbyz sa ne marche pas |
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| 11:10.18 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: no idea what that means |
| 11:10.27 | xingu | kronic: audacity |
| 11:11.31 | xingu | HyperDevil: I was under the possibly mistaken impression you wanted to either alter cron to log at something other than auth.info or to redirect auth.info from this application to something other than auth.log |
| 11:11.32 | TuXTuX | bobbyz sorry does not work |
| 11:11.49 | pumpkin0 | enouf: "sudo chroot /" works here. It is non-sense, but it works. It may be a broken install and the /media....bash cannot find a lib. But the permission-error is strange. well, i'm off. back to you. |
| 11:12.05 | xingu | HyperDevil: the former will almost certainly require recompilation, the latter will require a tool like syslog-ng |
| 11:12.27 | HyperDevil | what does syslog-ng do? what is it for? |
| 11:13.27 | sep | HyperDevil, its a replacement for syslogd |
| 11:13.37 | streuner | !info syslog-ng |
| 11:13.48 | HyperDevil | !info syslog-ng |
| 11:13.57 | dpkg | syslog-ng: (Next generation logging daemon), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 172 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 11:14.06 | bobbyz | TuXTuX: dunno then. The only things I can think of are the stuff and bindkey screen commands, and I'm pretty sure 013 is the keycode for enter/return |
| 11:15.18 | Carbon_Monoxide | Anyone can help with connecting remote mysqld? |
| 11:15.22 | sep | HyperDevil, it implements the syslog deamon that writes many of the logs in /var/log apt-cache show syslog-ng and apt-cache show sysklogd tell you more |
| 11:15.46 | bobbyz | errr....\015 or 13...not 013 as in base 8 13 |
| 11:16.39 | enouf | HyperDevil: use apt-cache show syslog-ng if using sid or visit p.d.o and search the name |
| 11:17.01 | bobbyz | man that last sentence of mine made no sense...I need to go to sleep |
| 11:17.06 | enouf | heh .. sep is quicker |
| 11:17.08 | bobbyZzz | good luck TuXTuX |
| 11:17.42 | TuXTuX | bobbyZzz thx |
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| 11:19.31 | Ono | hi |
| 11:19.38 | Ono | how can run a program as different user? |
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| 11:21.06 | mrstocks | Hi i have this problem with bind could someone help ? Dec 19 12:23:05 sd-7557 named[17572]: dns_master_load: /var/cache/bind/homedev_org.new.db:2: IN.homedev.org: not at top of zone |
| 11:21.32 | xingu | Ono: su -c |
| 11:21.53 | xingu | mrstocks: you'll need to paste (ask dpkg) your zonefile, there's a syntax error in it |
| 11:22.11 | mrstocks | Oh i can put it online: |
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| 11:23.34 | Ono | xingu: thanks |
| 11:23.51 | mrstocks | xingu, http://88.191.44.249/~mrstocks/homedev_org.new.db |
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| 11:24.29 | deepz | guys i have installed etch |
| 11:24.38 | deepz | i want ssl configured on apache2 |
| 11:25.00 | deepz | however to create a self signed cert a file is required |
| 11:25.11 | deepz | apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 11:25.21 | deepz | its not there |
| 11:25.26 | deepz | how do i workout |
| 11:25.27 | xingu | mrstocks: second line, replace "IN SOA" with "@ IN SOA" |
| 11:25.37 | tarzeau | huh hda4 has gone 12468 days without being checked? |
| 11:26.40 | mrstocks | xingu now i get ec 19 12:28:59 sd-7557 named[17609]: dns_master_load: /var/cache/bind/homedev_org.new.db:2: \@IN.homedev.org: not at top of zone |
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| 11:29.49 | LLcoolM | hi, i have an old ibm pc300 (pentium3 667) and it seems to have an embedded security chip. any idea how to get that one working? |
| 11:29.52 | mrstocks | xingu any ideas ? |
| 11:31.21 | xingu | mrstocks: repaste it somewhere; have you added an unwanted "\" char? |
| 11:31.31 | mrstocks | Nop. |
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| 11:32.04 | mrstocks | http://88.191.44.249/~mrstocks/homedev_org.new.db2 |
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| 11:39.16 | zamaliphe | the problime is my kernel proken and i dont know how to fix it i use etch and i have the debian-etch 1 cd . how can i fix the kernel and the initrd imag ? my kernel "vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686" |
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| 11:39.40 | xingu | mrstocks: just need to add a " " in there... "@ IN SOA..>" |
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| 11:39.50 | PsySine | hi, i had an nfs-mount for which the server was removed. this resulted in a LOT of hung up updatedb, find, cron, run-parts, sh, frcode, sort. is there anything i can do about it? i have unmounted the share |
| 11:39.58 | xingu | mrstocks: apart from that loads fine on my bind9.2 reference |
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| 11:42.19 | zamaliphe | i think it some bad sector at the hard disk how to chick for and fix it i use "reiserfs"file system for the root partion? |
| 11:42.25 | xingu | PsySine: mount(8), soft, intr |
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| 11:44.46 | PsySine | xingu: well... i have nothing mounted anymore. i don't even know what the address of the share was |
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| 11:45.45 | xingu | PsySine: then likely as not the processes are waiting for godot; if you care about housekeeping, reboot |
| 11:46.02 | xingu | PsySine: apart from adding to loadav, they should have no discernable impact on performance |
| 11:46.04 | juanma_ | hello, i have a pentium processor and since debian doesn't have specific support for it, i can build the packages from sources like the gentoo distribution?, thanks |
| 11:46.22 | RvGaTe | mc_, good morning |
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| 11:47.17 | PsySine | xingu: ok... :( |
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| 11:48.10 | cast_ | juanma_: dare i ask. why? |
| 11:48.43 | juanma_ | speed |
| 11:49.50 | cast_ | i joined #gentoo, curious about this, and asked if they had any benchmarks to support the speed claims some gentoo users make. the whole room jumped on me and said compiling from source wasn't about speed but rather about configurability of pkgs |
| 11:50.22 | juanma_ | i see the time of start for openoffice for i386 and for i686 |
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| 11:51.15 | cast_ | should benchmark it. and whatever else. and show me :). apt-build or apt-src might do what you want |
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| 11:54.11 | xingu | cast: most real workloads are dominated by IO service times; the best optimisation you can make is to go and add so much dram to your system that you don't do any. |
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| 11:54.48 | cast_ | i do find my hds to be the main bottle neck :\ |
| 11:57.33 | xingu | cast: once you're done on IO service times, the next place to go looking is at memory latency and bandwidth; once you're happy that the hardware is good, the last tweak is on the software side - making sure you're not doing anything silly with cache aliasing or thrashing |
| 11:57.35 | cast_ | there a reason its so quiet in here? like i accidently ignored 99% of the room or some such? |
| 11:58.16 | cast_ | memory bandwidth have much of an impact? |
| 11:58.27 | zamaliphe | the problime is my kernel proken and i dont know how to fix it i use etch and i have the debian-etch 1 cd . how can i fix the kernel and the initrd imag ? my kernel "vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686" |
| 11:58.27 | xingu | cast: yep |
| 11:58.33 | cast_ | i guessed it didn't, but knew it had some impact, hence the dual channel 800Mhz :) |
| 11:58.40 | zamaliphe | what to do pleases ? |
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| 11:59.28 | xingu | cast: a lot of code boils down to apply some transform to some large dataset; if the dataset is in memory, then the profile quickly devolves to how quickly you can shuffle it in and out of the d-cache |
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| 12:01.33 | xingu | cast: it's a little more than "-m586" though. :) getting the hardware suited to workload is the first and most rewarding step |
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| 12:04.15 | xingu | cast: on the software side of the fence the best optimisation is the one which results in the elimination of work - ie algorithmic redesign; and while gcc compile flags might find some of those opportunities automagically, it's still most rewarding to inspect the source as a human, looking for things that just don't need to be done at all |
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| 12:06.38 | xingu | cast: above and beyond arch specific features like enabling and using simd, compile time tweaks are usually a case of making the wrong idea faster |
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| 12:12.35 | neiljp | is there a way to stop a module being automatically loaded by udev and so on? my usb drive causes ehci to automatically be loaded, but using ehci seems to cause lots of 'resets' (and a modprobe -r of it solves that...) - can I 'blacklist' ehci somehow? |
| 12:12.50 | xingu | !blacklist |
| 12:12.50 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 12:14.12 | neiljp | ta |
| 12:14.25 | oxyride | tatu |
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| 12:21.42 | one_kil | hi! |
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| 12:22.42 | one_kil | if add a new module in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/... , why modinfo or modprobe cann't find it? |
| 12:23.31 | JB[away] | use original debian kernel? |
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| 12:24.39 | one_kil | why? |
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| 12:25.55 | RvGaTe | one_kil, becouse you'll be sure it works :) |
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| 12:26.20 | one_kil | the kernel works ok |
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| 12:26.38 | JB[away] | have you build the kernel with initrd? |
| 12:26.54 | JB[away] | or is modules support active? |
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| 12:27.13 | one_kil | i added the TrueCrypt module there |
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| 12:27.37 | JB[away] | paste please |
| 12:27.39 | JB[away] | uname -r |
| 12:28.19 | one_kil | 2.6.17-10-generic |
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| 12:29.10 | JB[away] | ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic |
| 12:29.18 | itchi | RvGaTe: Already look on the Debian's (Dutch)wiki? |
| 12:29.56 | RvGaTe | itchi, i can read english fine :P |
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| 12:30.27 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yeah, :-p, just working on it to translate some stuff. |
| 12:30.47 | RvGaTe | itchi, if you need some help, just drop me a line: info@rvgate.nl |
| 12:31.12 | one_kil | JB[away]: http://paste2.org/p/645 |
| 12:31.36 | itchi | RvGaTe: A line?? gona mail some whole stuff :-p |
| 12:32.02 | JB[away] | one_kil: and what are your error message now? |
| 12:32.11 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe try to look to make an account. If you want correct my faults and so, if you not see it to translate it |
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| 12:32.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: I'm just a bit angry for my typo's :-° |
| 12:32.54 | one_kil | JB[away]: FATAL: Module truecrypt not found. |
| 12:33.15 | itchi | one_kil: Try modprobe -l foo |
| 12:33.23 | clearscreen | could someone please xplain to me why I always get "Makefile : no such file or directory" on my linux-headers when I try to install anything through m-a? |
| 12:33.35 | clearscreen | also tried with different kernels.. same problem |
| 12:33.37 | one_kil | but if I run modinfo /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/crypto/truecrypt.ko, there is not problem |
| 12:33.52 | xingu | one_kil: update-modules |
| 12:33.53 | liable | clearscreen: explain a bit more |
| 12:34.02 | itchi | clearscreen: Simply, 'no such file or directory' |
| 12:34.11 | LLcoolM | one_kil: run depmod -ae and make sure uname -a says something like 2.6.17-10-generic |
| 12:34.32 | itchi | clearscreen: Are you in the right dir? |
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| 12:34.42 | LLcoolM | otherwise it will not work for you either havent told the kernel about the module or you are running the wrong kernel |
| 12:34.56 | clearscreen | during module-assistant install, it tries to execute 'make' in my linux-headers directory |
| 12:35.01 | clearscreen | which fails.. |
| 12:35.16 | itchi | clearscreen: Is that with that nvidia stuff? |
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| 12:35.20 | clearscreen | no |
| 12:35.24 | clearscreen | it's with anything |
| 12:35.31 | clearscreen | yesterday with fglrx, today with madwifi-source |
| 12:35.32 | one_kil | xingu: update-mudules doesn't solve it |
| 12:35.35 | LLcoolM | one_kil: i'd recommend dm-crypt over truecrypt though unless you rely on windows too much. dm-crypt volumes can be read by windows software as well, look out for luks+windows |
| 12:35.36 | liable | clearscreen: paste the m-a log, /var/cache/modass/ |
| 12:35.42 | one_kil | now yes |
| 12:35.46 | one_kil | thanks all |
| 12:36.15 | one_kil | solved with depmod -ae , thx LLcoolM |
| 12:36.24 | clearscreen | liable, there are a lot of .version files in that directory |
| 12:36.50 | clearscreen | nvmd, ls |grep madwifi |
| 12:37.08 | one_kil | LLcoolM: dm-crypt uses CBC and it's less secure that LRW used by truecrypt |
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| 12:37.17 | kim0 | Hi, I'm starting with 3 disks in my server, I can go upto 8. Can Linux soft-raid grow /dev/md0 with additional disks like that? |
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| 12:38.00 | LLcoolM | one_kil: not at all especially because last time i checked lrw was unable to walk in highmem, so with 1G and more you might be even less secure |
| 12:38.25 | LLcoolM | apart from that: cbc-essiv:sha256 is almost as secure as lrw so no big deal, no watermarks anyway... |
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| 12:39.33 | LLcoolM | and there is one more thing: truecrypt doesnt come with the kernel, so you run about every kernel update into a problem... |
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| 12:41.03 | LLcoolM | especially if you are doing full disc encryption, you might just hurt yourself badly for you forgot the truecrypt module and you entire compiling infrastructure resides inside the encrypted partition. |
| 12:41.24 | clearscreen | k got it liable |
| 12:41.33 | LLcoolM | believe me that is really funny then. not unsolveable, but "fun" :) |
| 12:41.35 | JB[away] | have anyone a backport for mod-security (etch) ?? |
| 12:41.56 | clearscreen | http://members.lycos.nl/dumpdumpdump/mad.log |
| 12:42.15 | one_kil | LLcoolM: but the problem with dm-crypt is that Clemens tried add LRW support in the kernel but there was problems with the kernel developers so LRW will not be implemented in the kernel |
| 12:42.20 | clearscreen | it's dutch though :P |
| 12:42.28 | clearscreen | some parts |
| 12:42.35 | PumpkinPie | lol look at my log |
| 12:42.41 | PumpkinPie | ----- |
| 12:42.48 | PumpkinPie | root@deb:~# /etc/network/interfaces restart |
| 12:42.49 | PumpkinPie | -bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied |
| 12:42.49 | PumpkinPie | root@deb:~# chmod 755 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:42.49 | PumpkinPie | root@deb:~# /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:42.49 | PumpkinPie | /etc/network/interfaces: line 5: auto: command not found |
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| 12:42.54 | cast | i want lrw! |
| 12:43.01 | JB[away] | lol |
| 12:43.05 | LLcoolM | one_kil: as i said thats just because of lowmem/highmem-design in linux |
| 12:43.14 | liable | clearscreen: and you actually have that package installed? |
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| 12:43.15 | JB[away] | /etc/init.d/networking restart | PumpkinPie |
| 12:43.19 | zamaliphe | i cant boot so pleases help i get this msg at boot :? "run-init :/sbin/init :permission denied" ,"kernel panic - notsyncing :attempeted to kill init!" |
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| 12:43.21 | LLcoolM | cast: do you even know what lrw means and what it does? |
| 12:43.21 | PumpkinPie | hah :P I know |
| 12:43.26 | liable | clearscreen: thhough it should be a depends |
| 12:43.50 | cast | LLcoolM: yes, its a block cipher mode. |
| 12:43.51 | clearscreen | liable I do, and the directory also exists; but it installed like, too fast?, I'm almost thinking it didn't fully install |
| 12:44.07 | LLcoolM | cast: so is cbc and even ecb |
| 12:44.33 | liable | clearscreen: whats 'ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build' say? |
| 12:44.54 | cast | LLcoolM: yes, only cbc is suspectable to watermarks and ecb is a joke |
| 12:45.19 | LLcoolM | cast: i see, you have no clue what lrw means/does, so dont bother me |
| 12:45.43 | clearscreen | it says: (chmod stuff) 1 root 35 (date) /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-486 |
| 12:45.50 | one_kil | LLcoolM: the next web is very interesting where you can see the different attacks over CBC and not over LRW |
| 12:45.57 | one_kil | http://mareichelt.de/pub/notmine/linuxbsd-comparison.html |
| 12:46.08 | cast | LLcoolM: i don't understand :(, no, i dont have any clue. only some vague recollection that for disk encryption it was perferable, |
| 12:46.32 | itchi | PumpkinPie: wayttd? |
| 12:47.02 | LLcoolM | cast: anyway, if you have to fear watermark attacks and yet have so few knowledge about encryption, your problem definately lies somewhere else... |
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| 12:47.22 | itchi | !wayttd |
| 12:47.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 12:47.28 | liable | clearscreen: weird, you have done m-a prepare? |
| 12:47.31 | clearscreen | yep |
| 12:48.01 | liable | clearscreen: have you tried untarring the source and making it manually? |
| 12:48.11 | clearscreen | no, but I could :P |
| 12:48.19 | cast | LLcoolM: wow. you're a fucking asshole. |
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| 12:48.33 | liable | clearscreen: try it, see what happens, check bts for m-a too |
| 12:48.33 | LLcoolM | one_kil: i am not quite sure if you know what somebody launching a watermark attack on you also implies... |
| 12:49.14 | zamaliphe | dos any one know how to fix this out ? bootmsg::"run-init :/sbin/init :permission denied" ,"kernel panic - notsyncing :attempeted to kill init!" |
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| 12:52.04 | itchi | To get PHP working on apache. Need we just to do apache php5 php5-mysql ? Still get an windows to download an PHTML file |
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| 12:52.18 | one_kil | LLcoolM: another thing very interesting is that you can use several algorithms chained |
| 12:52.26 | itchi | Install it and nothings more? Maybe just restarting apache, but does not solve it |
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| 12:53.02 | itchi | PumpkinPie: Please not PM me |
| 12:53.16 | one_kil | as AES-Twofish-Serpent and this is very cool where you want extra security for files very confidential as bank accounts, etc |
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| 12:53.50 | no0tic | Hi, where can I find a wpa howto for sid? |
| 12:53.54 | itchi | PumpkinPie: I does not matter where the webserver are located like it's not accesible www |
| 12:54.06 | blondie | I thought this was an English-speaking channel |
| 12:54.23 | liable | no0tic: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ actually has some good examples and man wpa_action |
| 12:54.30 | no0tic | thanks |
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| 12:54.52 | lamby | meh, I fix a bug, make a .diff and email it to the right place, but it doesn't appear in the bts :/ |
| 12:55.32 | no0tic | it works with ipw3945? |
| 12:56.02 | liable | no0tic: yes, i had it working on my lappy with 3945, no problem |
| 12:56.06 | itchi | I dunno what have happened. A day the webserver no more work, get always an PHTML file to download when i try to view an PHP file in the webbrowser. At my knowledges it was only aptitude install apache php5 php5-mysql to get the stuff working with apache 1.3 |
| 12:56.23 | LLcoolM | one_kil: to protect bank accounts disc encryption for private users is absolutely pointless. government authorities will get the data directly from your bank with a little asking of if that doesnt help with a court order. so your computer would have to get stolen for anything to be disclosed, which is most unlikely to happen. it is more probably that you get hacked and against that encryption will not help a bit no matter how good the algorithm |
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| 12:57.25 | kernel-kris | good morning all |
| 12:57.43 | one_kil | LLcoolM: you can have any account into an offshore bank ;) , but it was only an example |
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| 12:58.32 | one_kil | LLcoolM: but you have reason in that it is more probably that you get hacked,... |
| 13:00.03 | LLcoolM | watermark attacks can only disclose a file you already know and if successful they can say it is on your drive. but that will not disclose the information itself because the person launching the attack would have to know the content already (and even needs to do some preparations on it) |
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| 13:04.55 | beans | . |
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| 13:07.00 | E-bola | UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuRawUser = No more variables left in this MIB View (It is past the end of the MIB tree) |
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| 13:07.21 | E-bola | Why does the happen when i do snmpwalk -v2c -c public localhost ssCpuRawUser |
| 13:08.07 | xingu | E-bola: try snmpget rather than snmpwalk? |
| 13:08.34 | E-bola | then i get: UCD-SNMP-MIB::ssCpuRawUser = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID |
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| 13:09.46 | E-bola | any idea why? |
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| 13:11.20 | xingu | E-bola: sounds like your snmp agent doesn't have that oid |
| 13:11.43 | E-bola | indeed lol |
| 13:11.46 | E-bola | a raw snmpwalk |
| 13:11.58 | E-bola | tells me there are only the very most basic mib's "loaded" for the daemon for some reason |
| 13:12.02 | E-bola | any idea why that mgiht be? |
| 13:12.12 | one_kil | LLcoolM: respect to that you can be hacked, did you know that police in Germany (as in Switzerland) could hacking in the name of the law? |
| 13:12.13 | one_kil | http://www.viruslist.com/en/weblog?weblogid=208187292 |
| 13:13.12 | itchi | Someone know why i can not view an PHP file in the web browser? He always show an dialog to save an PHTML file. |
| 13:13.17 | LLcoolM | one_kil: well, as for that matter, there are some simple precautions you can make, that will make it much harder (not impossible though) to get into your lan :) |
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| 13:15.16 | kernel-kris | itchi....you have to associate phtml extension with php |
| 13:15.44 | itchi | kernel-kris: Before, that was done automatically, no more?? |
| 13:15.46 | LLcoolM | one_kil: in well protected environment it is yet hard to deploy malware to the right box :). here they'd only catch some windows boxes (protecting them is impossible because of the "layer-8-factor") but the router is really hard, and so are the servers ... |
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| 13:16.30 | kernel-kris | can you view .php files? |
| 13:16.49 | itchi | kernel-kris: No, i get that window dialog to save it as an PHTML file |
| 13:17.19 | kernel-kris | then the php module isnt loaded in apache |
| 13:17.24 | itchi | kernel-kris: I have always work right, sudenlty it have stop working, i dunno why |
| 13:17.32 | one_kil | LLcoolM: I wanted to starting to play with xen to using a system virtualized to browsing only because that is a great risk (although you use noScript in Firefox) |
| 13:17.35 | itchi | kernel-kris: oeps s/I/It/ |
| 13:17.46 | LLcoolM | one_kil: if you want security, try searching for grsecurity, rsbac and mabye selinux. also there are quite a lot of IPS available (with questionable cost/benefit-ratio). so security is a concept, leaving one hole opens a big door for any one to step in :) |
| 13:18.24 | itchi | LLcoolM: What do you with your car? |
| 13:18.34 | LLcoolM | one_kil: if you are on linux: you can run the browser as a very unpriveleged user :) |
| 13:18.51 | itchi | LLcoolM: Everyone can stole it, break it, play with it. An simple lock should be enought |
| 13:18.56 | E-bola | why is my snmpd on debian missing everything below .1.3.6.1 ? |
| 13:19.34 | LLcoolM | itchi: my car? well, it has airbags - i hope and anytime i start the motor i cross my fingers. and there is of course the st. christopherus (patron of all car-drivers) sign inside :) |
| 13:20.57 | LLcoolM | ah, and my card doesnt have any computer onboard, so no cyber attacks of bluetooth hijacking :) |
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| 13:22.09 | itchi | LLcoolM: 94, mine :-) |
| 13:22.24 | infernix | any ipsec gurus around? I'm getting ERROR: pfkey UPDATE failed: Protocol not supported, same for ADD. using debian stable with racoon-tool, 2.6.18.1. |
| 13:22.52 | kernel-kris | hrm.....all cars should have computers.....no more windshield .....need monitors |
| 13:23.22 | LLcoolM | itchi: well, those cars have less stupid errors and they tend to work just fine. i never had any problem with a bordcomputer refusing to start because it claimed the rear wheels were missing... |
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| 13:24.29 | matteot | Hi, my company bought an HP ProLiant ML110 G4 server but when I try to start Sarga (net install) with kernel 2.6 I think discover doesn't find my SATA disks and when I try to start with 2.4 kernel my keyboard (USB and PS2) doesn't wark.. |
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| 13:24.55 | itchi | LLcoolM: Yeah, my car rock, just got 2 little holes on the bottom near the rear weels. Refused by the inspection last week :-( Need to fix it and put some new iron :-/ |
| 13:25.21 | ghatak | Hi, how do i add a new module. i try to run a program and perl on debian sarge complains a module is missing |
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| 13:25.58 | itchi | ghatak: Look to the perl docs? |
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| 13:26.07 | kernel-kris | cpan install "module" |
| 13:26.38 | SlayerXP | ghatak: apt-cache search perl | grep part-of-module-name |
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| 13:27.02 | SlayerXP | chances are that the module you want is already packaged for debian |
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| 13:28.31 | LLcoolM | matteot: you need a newer kernel probably |
| 13:29.02 | matteot | LLcoolM ok I can use Ubuntu to start but I think it will be a long thing. |
| 13:29.03 | LLcoolM | matteot: you could try etch (will be stable in a month or two). |
| 13:29.12 | matteot | ok I hope. :) |
| 13:29.30 | LLcoolM | matteot: in case of ubuntu you should pick 6.06LTS server version |
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| 13:30.24 | JB[away] | <LLcoolM> matteot: you could try etch (will be stable in a month or two). <- or 1 year ? lol :) |
| 13:30.28 | leandrox | i come back |
| 13:30.35 | leandrox | spammer |
| 13:30.46 | leandrox | is inthe devil there |
| 13:30.48 | LLcoolM | JB[away]: no, 2 months is realistic |
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| 13:32.03 | JB[away] | i know only the relase time woody -> sarge :) |
| 13:32.18 | LLcoolM | JB[away]: but etch has already entered feature-freeze |
| 13:32.24 | itchi | JB[away]: That was 2 months?? |
| 13:32.35 | JB[away] | no it was 2 years :) |
| 13:32.42 | Eclipser | wasn't etch frozen already? |
| 13:32.53 | LLcoolM | Eclipser: see above |
| 13:32.55 | Ronin | Eclipser: yes its been frozen |
| 13:33.01 | JB[away] | LLcoolM: freezes feature are not bug free |
| 13:33.05 | itchi | JB[away]: Yeah, the new version release, not the freeze time, that was only 2 months |
| 13:33.09 | Eclipser | Ronin, hehe |
| 13:33.22 | LLcoolM | JB[away]: thats why it is not release NOW as stable but in ~2Months :) |
| 13:33.25 | JB[away] | and etch have a lot bugs |
| 13:33.31 | leandrox | Ronin calls the @'s |
| 13:33.31 | leandrox | 10:26<- ghatak has left debian |
| 13:33.32 | leandrox | 10:27JB[away]i know only the relase time woody -> sarge |
| 13:33.32 | leandrox | LLcoolMJB[away]: but etch has already entered feature-freeze |
| 13:33.32 | leandrox | itchiJB[away]: That was 2 months?? |
| 13:33.32 | leandrox | JB[away]no it was 2 years |
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| 13:33.35 | Ronin | JB[away]: not a lot any more |
| 13:34.00 | LLcoolM | JB[away]: Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 124 |
| 13:34.06 | JB[away] | i have upgrade a naked sarge system to etch, and it was many bugs |
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| 13:34.22 | JB[away] | to much for a naked system |
| 13:34.38 | Ronin | naked system? what do you mean by that |
| 13:34.47 | LLcoolM | JB[away]: i run etch on many systems, just fine (no production use though) |
| 13:34.51 | JB[away] | base debian with ssh |
| 13:35.09 | JB[away] | without application like apache, php ... |
| 13:35.39 | Ronin | then i dont really see the problem, you're running next to nothing i find it interesting you found too many bugs |
| 13:35.48 | plb_ | heh, anyone catch the article about disgruntled debian developers |
| 13:36.01 | plb_ | on digg |
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| 13:37.02 | Ronin | ahh that was a very painless dell warrenty call |
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| 13:37.18 | Ronin | for a change |
| 13:38.43 | LLcoolM | JB[away]: i have upgraded from sarge to etch often, didnt run into big problems |
| 13:39.04 | itchi | Me too, i'm tooooo happy with Etch |
| 13:39.23 | Ronin | course every machine/situation is different |
| 13:39.49 | LLcoolM | and my boxes are mostly 5 years old (some even older) |
| 13:40.20 | plb_ | so what is the estimate now on etch release? |
| 13:40.25 | Ronin | take raf256 for example, i swear he has the worst luck installing debian, if theres going to be a problem he'll find it |
| 13:40.26 | itchi | Ronin: Do some development, PHP, Python, databases(mysql, postgre, sqlite). Use also an test development box, works very good |
| 13:40.41 | Ronin | plb_: when its ready ;) |
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| 13:40.55 | JB[away] | LLcoolM i had this problem -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403174 |
| 13:41.03 | plb_ | Ronin, no way!! ;] |
| 13:41.06 | LLcoolM | i must admit, i compile the kernels myself |
| 13:41.30 | raf256 | Ronin: I am good debugger |
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| 13:42.21 | raf256 | LLcoolM: me too \o/ |
| 13:42.29 | Ronin | plb_: i think its safe to say december is out, common guesstimate seems to be januaryish now |
| 13:42.50 | plb_ | cool |
| 13:43.26 | LLcoolM | raf256: mine work fine, but it might have something to do with me waiting for the latest grsecurity patches beeing released. most critical kernel bugs are found by then :) |
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| 13:43.50 | raf256 | LLcoolM: lol same here |
| 13:43.56 | raf256 | LLcoolM: do you use gradm? |
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| 13:44.15 | LLcoolM | raf256: i always planned to but didnt have time to read the docs :) |
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| 13:44.48 | ghatak | Hi, i have downloaded a package with .deb extension, how do i install it to my system. using Debian Sarge |
| 13:44.52 | raf256 | LLcoolM: lol you are in identical situation as I am, why not drop me email and JID to stay in touch in case. I plan to learn gradm sometimes around xmass or after new year |
| 13:45.00 | JB[away] | Linux Server2 2.6.19.1-grsec #1 Mon Dec 18 23:25:38 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:45.00 | LLcoolM | ghatak: dpkg -i $packagename |
| 13:45.01 | JB[away] | :) |
| 13:45.10 | ghatak | LLcoolM: thanks |
| 13:45.20 | LLcoolM | Linux bacardi 2.6.19.1-grsec-srv #5 Sat Dec 16 23:45:33 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:45.46 | JB[away] | ;) |
| 13:45.53 | raf256 | LLcoolM: I once patche gradm to allow weak (default permit) rules - to ease the learning curve. drop me your contacts to llcoolm-irc-85j2-ticket@limcore.com if you wish |
| 13:46.10 | raf256 | erm .pl not .com |
| 13:46.34 | itchi | ghatak: By the way look to /msg dpkg grounding Realy useful these resources |
| 13:46.39 | LLcoolM | raf256: thx, but i definately need to do some reading in advance :) |
| 13:47.18 | roe_ | any idea why all of a sudden my logwatch is no longer reporting on the sshd attempts? |
| 13:47.38 | LLcoolM | there are not much things to restrict with gradm on my boxes, most services are internal only and the critical ones are already chrooted |
| 13:48.11 | raf256 | LLcoolM: ah |
| 13:48.21 | raf256 | LLcoolM: btw, hang around grsec www group |
| 13:48.23 | raf256 | forum |
| 13:48.42 | LLcoolM | raf256: where can i find the forum? |
| 13:49.00 | raf256 | LLcoolM: http://forums.grsecurity.net/ |
| 13:49.16 | LLcoolM | gotta bookmark that ine |
| 13:49.18 | LLcoolM | one |
| 13:49.34 | itchi | roe_: Try to look to the /etc/hosts.* files?? |
| 13:49.49 | LLcoolM | most important thing to restrain is my irc client :) |
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| 13:50.10 | zapalotta | hello |
| 13:50.11 | roe_ | itchi: why does a log parser care about /etc/hosts.*? |
| 13:50.25 | zapalotta | is anybody using testing on an iMac Mini Core Solo? |
| 13:50.37 | zapalotta | I cannot install grub nor boot the installed system |
| 13:50.49 | itchi | roe_: I dunno, just that i have add some stuff there, to personalize some actions depending of ... |
| 13:51.10 | LLcoolM | raf256: i used grsecurity-patched kernel on a mac (g4) until some days ago, it worked nice there as well |
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| 13:53.32 | itchi | roe_: You can add there for example sshd: ALL: spawn (echo "Attempt from %h %a to %d at `date` by %u" | tee -a /var/log/sshd.log) |
| 13:54.03 | Flimzy | Why does mkinitrd say the Kernel does not support LVM when I have explicitly included LVM support in the kernel? |
| 13:54.06 | roe_ | itchi: logwatch as of yesterday was reporting fine and now it isn't |
| 13:54.25 | raf256 | can /tmp be noexec? |
| 13:54.41 | itchi | roe_: I not directly have an solution to your problem :-/ Just try to help a bit or route to somethings |
| 13:54.42 | Flimzy | raf256: A directory has to be executable to be accessable |
| 13:54.55 | raf256 | I ment can /tmp be mounted as noexec option |
| 13:55.08 | Flimzy | raf256: possibly... |
| 13:55.13 | Flimzy | raf256: I don't know. |
| 13:55.13 | roe_ | itchi: I understand, but I am more concerned about what changed in logwatch than getting the reporting working |
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| 13:55.15 | LLcoolM | raf256: of course it can be |
| 13:55.16 | raf256 | anyone knows? |
| 13:55.18 | Flimzy | raf256: Is there a reason to do that? |
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| 13:55.28 | raf256 | I thought dpkg must run programs unpacked to /tmp? |
| 13:55.40 | Flimzy | raf256: I don't know if dpkg does... but it's possible that other things will. |
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| 13:55.57 | itchi | roe_: Is on Sarge? |
| 13:56.06 | raf256 | so is it ok to have option noexec for /tmp ? |
| 13:56.10 | roe_ | ETch |
| 13:56.14 | raf256 | and nosuid |
| 13:56.18 | LLcoolM | raf256: /dev/mapper/tmp on /tmp type ext2 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime) |
| 13:56.46 | raf256 | ok |
| 13:56.48 | LLcoolM | works fine |
| 13:57.16 | LLcoolM | dunno about tmpfs, might not work with that. |
| 13:57.52 | itchi | roe_: It is in /var/log/auth.log you look? |
| 13:58.17 | roe_ | itchi: that is where the sshd logs itself |
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| 14:00.16 | finkOS | http://partners.iqb.ru/#17814 |
| 14:00.18 | finkOS | http://partners.iqb.ru/#17814 |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | ops? |
| 14:00.40 | itchi | finkOS: Go away |
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| 14:00.58 | raf256 | finkOS: you suck donkey balls |
| 14:00.59 | dimir | Èäè íà õåð. |
| 14:01.02 | dimir | Ñïàììåð. |
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| 14:01.06 | perlmonk | itchi, As it's probably a bot, do you really expect it to go away ? |
| 14:01.08 | perlmonk | :) |
| 14:01.09 | raf256 | oh my god, the soviets are attacking |
| 14:01.17 | itchi | perlmonk: Yeah, with an kick :-) |
| 14:01.18 | abrotman | !ru |
| 14:01.18 | dpkg | hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:01.27 | dimir | raf256: I was telling him to ... |
| 14:01.28 | finkOS | õåõå ñòîïóäîôô |
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| 14:02.03 | perlmonk | itchi, ah, you mean having ops that are alive ? |
| 14:02.11 | perlmonk | hehehe, hope is sometimes funny |
| 14:02.35 | dimir | OMG, Ichi the killer! |
| 14:02.38 | itchi | perlmonk: Ba, he is already gone |
| 14:02.53 | perlmonk | luck it wasn't a flood bot :) |
| 14:02.53 | itchi | dimir: I'm not an killer :-p realy not |
| 14:03.10 | dimir | But you saw the movie? |
| 14:03.17 | itchi | dimir: I like the people to much, believe it, its not good too |
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| 14:03.52 | dimir | Some mean k-linking by "killing". :-P |
| 14:03.58 | dimir | s/link/lin/ |
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| 14:13.42 | RealBorg | hi, how can I query the status of an aacraid? |
| 14:14.01 | sep | printer in cups, testpage works. print from gedit using the cups printer, or the lpr output giev no output. all 3 jobs show in the cups log as compleated |
| 14:14.10 | sep | why dont i get output from anythnig but testpage ? |
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| 14:14.30 | abrotman | RealBorg: i think there are tools .. dunno if they are in debian though .. |
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| 14:15.19 | sep | RealBorg, do you have a /proc/scsi/aacraid entry ? |
| 14:15.28 | RealBorg | no |
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| 14:21.00 | samael | hi there |
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| 14:25.17 | samael | I upgraded from apache2.0 to 2.2.3-3.2 (current sid, i386), and since then my SSL pages silenty die. modules authz_{user,default} are loaded (i referred to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397310 ). no problems 'til the upgrade. any ideas? |
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| 14:29.12 | webben | Will the relicencing of Java be likely to lead to Debian distributing Sun's version and remove the need for radical revision of OpenOffice.org? |
| 14:30.55 | webben | Or is the licence still to restrictive for Debian's purposes? |
| 14:31.01 | schme | If someone is willing to maintain the packages for a GPL licensed java package from Sun there is no reason why it would not be distributed |
| 14:31.22 | schme | I thought the new license was going to be GPL ? |
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| 14:31.51 | webben | I believe so ... I find licencing pretty confusing. My question is really about OpenOffice.org. |
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| 14:32.37 | webben | As I understand it, GCJ support for OOo's features has unsurprisingly lagged behind that of sun java |
| 14:32.37 | schme | I have no idea about openoffice tho. |
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| 14:32.38 | webben | so I'm wondering if ooobuild is likely to continue to be the source of debian openoffice.org |
| 14:32.48 | webben | or whether the debian OOo will go mainstream as it were |
| 14:33.01 | schme | But if java is indeed gpl'd as Sun says it will be (or maybe it already is, I don't keep track) then it will be distributed if someone feels like maintaining a package for debian. |
| 14:33.17 | schme | hrmm. What is the problem with OO as it is now .. ? |
| 14:33.39 | raf256 | flash player crashes firefox - this is major or grave bug? |
| 14:33.44 | raf256 | how to rate it? |
| 14:33.44 | webben | schme, I don't use office suites much any more ... but I think you'll find some of the wizards and functions don't work without Sun Java. |
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| 14:34.18 | webben | schme, which is obviously a concern in terms of end-user usability |
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| 14:34.48 | schme | webben: Ok.. |
| 14:35.29 | schme | There is sun-java5-jre in the non-free deps as it is now. Won't that work? |
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| 14:35.59 | schme | Only difference with a GPL'd jre and what not is that it will move from non-free to main I suppose (: |
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| 14:36.06 | schme | reps |
| 14:36.10 | schme | not deps :D |
| 14:37.37 | routine | can i upgrade from 3.1r2 to 3.1r4 ? |
| 14:37.54 | routine | is it supported feature? |
| 14:38.04 | schme | I see openoffice suggest a java package.. won't it all Just Work if you use sun-java5-jre instead of GNU java ?(: |
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| 14:38.56 | JB[away] | routine: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and you are up2date |
| 14:39.24 | routine | thanks :) |
| 14:39.26 | webben | schme, OOo rarely "just works", but that's why I do on my Ubuntu box. But there's a big difference between Sun Java being part of a distro and newbies being required to download it. |
| 14:39.33 | webben | *that's what I |
| 14:40.04 | JB[away] | webben: join #ubuntu for support |
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| 14:40.19 | jacknp22 | Good day to you |
| 14:40.34 | webben | JB[away], eh what? I'm not looking for support, let alone Ubuntu support. |
| 14:40.40 | roe_ | anyone have any idea how to fix this: |
| 14:40.41 | roe_ | Logwatch is not configured to use logfile: auth.log |
| 14:40.58 | Zaire | out of curiosity does anyone know where I could find the C header files on a debian base system |
| 14:41.05 | webben | JB[away], I'm here because what Debian chooses to do is highly influential on end-user usability of free Linux distros. |
| 14:41.43 | webben | JB[away], but thanks for the channel recommendation anyhow :) |
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| 14:41.47 | samael | DrBacchus: "Unable to connect. Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at admin.isf-pisa.org.", and I see no entries in the error logs. |
| 14:42.01 | schme | webben: It is part of debians official non-free repositories |
| 14:42.16 | samael | wops, pardon, wrong box |
| 14:42.21 | schme | webben: Just add the reps to your sources.list and you can apt-get it as normal. |
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| 14:42.25 | jacknp22 | Can somebody give me a boost on installing nvidia on Etch? I already made a few things but xorg tells me that he cannot find "nvidia" the module is there, but I am not shure if it is startet. modprobe -n nvidia does not change the situation. |
| 14:42.30 | mz_work | anything fundamentally wrong with this? -> cdebootstrap --arch amd64 sid /media/amd64 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
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| 14:42.39 | mz_work | i get this: E: Couldn't install system due to errors! |
| 14:42.49 | schme | webben: Most likely what will happen if it indeed is released under GPL it will move from non-free to mai |
| 14:42.52 | schme | webben: main |
| 14:42.54 | Zaire | I need to know what the directory is for the C headers cause the vmware config tool needs to compile something |
| 14:43.06 | webben | schme, That would be cool. End-users struggle with enabling repositories. |
| 14:43.51 | mz_work | Zaire, I don;t use vmware but as a hint you should look for vmware-any-any patch |
| 14:44.08 | schme | webben: If you don't know how to add repositories I can walk you thru it. It is quite easy. |
| 14:44.31 | schme | webben: and until it indeed is released under GPL it will be stuck in non-free |
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| 14:44.55 | webben | schme, Thanks.... I'm not asking for Debian support either. :) I'm just trying to get a handle on what's happening. |
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| 14:45.36 | hburchey | Why does bash seem to break everytime I upgrade it? |
| 14:45.50 | mz_work | jacknp22, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:46.13 | jacknp22 | mz_work: thank you |
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| 14:46.20 | schme | webben: Ok. sun-java5-jre is not free software, so it is not in the main repositories. It is however maintained, and is in the non-free repository. Which, for obvious reasons, is not enabled by default |
| 14:46.24 | _Tux_ | hello to all |
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| 14:46.57 | webben | schme, But that might still change when the licence changes. Okay, thank you :) |
| 14:47.04 | demoDick | cd |
| 14:47.09 | _Tux_ | how may install X server from scratch (obviously deb packages) on my just installed Sarge? |
| 14:47.31 | mz_work | jacknp22, also /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 14:47.42 | mz_work | for the crash course |
| 14:47.51 | schme | webben: if it is free software there is no reason why it would not be moved from non-free to main, exactly. |
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| 14:48.30 | mz_work | nvidia 9631 is in experimental repos if you need that driver |
| 14:49.01 | jacknp22 | I made my own but I don't think the module is loaded at startup |
| 14:49.08 | _Tux_ | is xserver-xfree86 enough to install the entire X with its dependencies? |
| 14:49.31 | _Tux_ | can I just type startx then and have a complete environment? |
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| 14:49.47 | _Tux_ | I don't want to install any window manager |
| 14:50.15 | _Tux_ | just need to open a graphical app |
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| 14:50.47 | rgsteele | Riddle me this: ping costello: costello.foo.com 192.168.101.173; host costello: costello.foo.com 192.168.101.24 |
| 14:50.53 | schme | webben: As for it being in non-free affects the end-user .. Well one might suggest that end-users chose an OS that is not so heavy on Freedom if that is a problem. |
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| 14:51.21 | SpooForBrains | hey all |
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| 14:51.41 | webben | schme, Well, sure. But that doesn't mean it's not a good thing when freedom becomes a lil bit more user-friendly :) |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | _Tux_: x-window-system-core |
| 14:52.05 | SpooForBrains | I'm doing some admin on a debian box for the first time (sarge). The app I'll be implementing needs java, but the people setting up the box have put in GNU |
| 14:52.06 | rgsteele | Any ideas as to what DNS weirdness is going on there? |
| 14:52.59 | itchi | I hate it; i got some troubles with apache1.3 last week, sudently; He always showed an windows to save the file as an PHTML file when i tryed to view an PHP file. I have purge several times to try to debug the trouble, have look in the config files and so. And now finaly it work right. But dunno now what have solve the trouble, like i did several times the same actions. Someone also discovered weird troubles with apache1.3 on Etch? |
| 14:52.59 | schme | webben: It can't get more user friendly than a simple text file + a text editor :S |
| 14:52.59 | SpooForBrains | 's implementation of Java, rather than Sun's. Can I basically uninstall the one and install the other with apt? |
| 14:53.10 | schme | SpooForBrains: apt-get install sun-java5-jre , and then remove the other one |
| 14:53.37 | itchi | Ba, it's just an matter of installing the right packages, without editing anything at al to get apache running with PHP (maybe just need to restart the apache) |
| 14:53.45 | SpooForBrains | they should be able to coexist if I repoint all the simlinks, should they not? |
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| 14:54.02 | schme | SpooForBrains: Ya. they can |
| 14:54.29 | webben | schme, Well that depends on the user. e.g. not so great for dyslexics, etc. But more generally it depends on whether the user is familiar with the problem domain. Most newbies are not familiar with the concept of "repositories" let alone apt, pools etc etc. |
| 14:54.43 | SpooForBrains | Is there any setup I need to do with apt before I use it (in case the previous guys have not done so?) |
| 14:54.52 | webben | schme, I'm not saying the apt interface is bad though. |
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| 14:55.26 | rgsteele | Figured it out...it was the /etc/hosts file configured incorrectly |
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| 14:55.38 | webben | schme, Just that the less messing a user has to do with configuration and the more work they can do right off the better. :) |
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| 14:56.03 | schme | webben: I suppose.. These issues are well documented tho.. and I feel that if you plan on being the administrator for a system you should be able to grasp these concepts. |
| 14:56.15 | schme | webben: Agreed. |
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| 14:56.59 | schme | webben: Which is why you want a quick and easy interface, and none of the gfx installers and fancy mouse based thingies :S |
| 14:57.18 | schme | Easier for the one who knows nothing about computers to start off with (: |
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| 14:57.39 | webben | schme, Well each to their own. I like both interfaces depending on what I'm trying to do. |
| 14:58.05 | webben | schme, For example, graphical installers can be great for browsing around looking for games. |
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| 14:58.18 | schme | webben: but still. If you don't understand the concept of repositories you will have a problem with both debian and ubuntu. Apart from having access to main, and whatever ubuntu calls main |
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| 14:58.59 | schme | 'course main is just great (: |
| 14:59.17 | webben | schme, I think a basic home user needn't have an immediate problem ... /unless/ they need access to videos and flash. |
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| 14:59.29 | schme | mmm |
| 14:59.32 | webben | schme, Which admittedly is becoming a more and more common requirement with the rise of broadband. |
| 14:59.53 | schme | but there isn't much of a problem really. just pop in the install CD and install. Most likely main will be just fine for ya. |
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| 15:00.32 | webben | Oh and realplayer. |
| 15:01.01 | webben | I always forget about that one. As I listen to the BBC all time, a comp without realplayer would be literally useless to me. |
| 15:01.11 | schme | Darn. |
| 15:01.36 | schme | I ran into a problem with wanting to watch some broadband broadcast that sky channel did. even tho I have the right plugin and all. |
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| 15:01.48 | schme | works like a charm on the wife's win xp box tho |
| 15:01.48 | webben | schme, which plugin? what format? |
| 15:01.48 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 15:01.57 | mcgreg | is there something like a standby function in linux? |
| 15:02.07 | schme | mplayer plugin for mozilla. the site loads and all, it just gets error connecting |
| 15:02.12 | no0tic | mcgreg, suspend to ram |
| 15:02.14 | mcgreg | something similiar what windows has |
| 15:02.30 | mcgreg | no0tic: how do OI activate this? |
| 15:02.34 | webben | schme, hmm ... a couple things you could try |
| 15:02.42 | webben | schme, 1) remove other plugins temporarily |
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| 15:03.04 | webben | schme, 2) try and extract the relevant URI and load that in MPlayer directly |
| 15:03.08 | schme | webben: I doubt that debian is the best choise for "the average user" . If you don't understand trees and repositories you will be stuck with Stable . so no good |
| 15:03.14 | schme | webben: Done it all (: |
| 15:03.20 | no0tic | mcgreg, control if you have s2ram executable in root PATH |
| 15:03.26 | webben | schme, do you still have the URL? |
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| 15:04.09 | schme | hrm.. hang on. thot I had bookmarked it |
| 15:04.14 | webben | schme, What do you think is the best choice for the average user? Do you think average users should stick to pay distros? |
| 15:04.23 | SpooForBrains | which apt repository(ies) do I need to install sun java JDK? |
| 15:04.24 | Grund | can anybody told me when stable Etch 4.0 will be availiable ? |
| 15:04.41 | webben | schme, I tend to think that's somewhat uneconomical. |
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| 15:05.03 | webben | schme, Having said that, to people who are completely non-tech-savvy I tend to recommend Macs. |
| 15:05.22 | webben | schme, Although even that is partly motivated by the fact that Macs have a native Office. |
| 15:05.23 | SpooForBrains | I think SuSE is a very newbie friendly distro. Or rather, the packaged versions are |
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| 15:05.35 | schme | webben: http://www.pokerzone.tv/schedule_broadband.asp and it has a click here to launch the POD viewer |
| 15:05.37 | SpooForBrains | everything you need (generally speaking) on one DVD |
| 15:05.40 | webben | (It's best not to change too much when moving users away from Windows) |
| 15:05.51 | SpooForBrains | then when you're used to installing packages and so on, you can move on to the free offerings |
| 15:05.54 | SpooForBrains | that |
| 15:05.55 | no0tic | someone can tell me a good how to for wpasupplicant on sid? |
| 15:06.11 | no0tic | in docs I found something |
| 15:06.39 | itchi | If i get the error Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /home/foo/bar.php on line 36 What should i need to install? Only mysql and php5-mysql if i'm right?? |
| 15:06.48 | iturk | hi there !! is it ok to remove the /lib/modules/ of the kernels that we have deleted from bootsection ?? |
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| 15:07.16 | webben | lol "best performance can be optained by installing the gecko activex plug-in" . How I hate customized web media players. |
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| 15:07.26 | webben | (I wish they'd just use <OBJECT> |
| 15:07.39 | schme | webben: It is a tough question that. I have no real grasp of what the average user is.. it tends to mean a lot of different things (: for gamers there really is no option but Microsoft. Otherwise Mac is a good choice for sure. Or I suggest Ubuntu.. I suppose SuSE or what not would work well enough but it just makes it trickier for me to help 'em out later on (; |
| 15:08.00 | schme | webben: or Debian if they know some basic things.. of course.. PC-BSD seems a nice one too. |
| 15:08.18 | schme | webben: But for watching live backgammon on ze internet, it all blows :D |
| 15:08.26 | Bonz | is it safe too upgrade dpkg in sid at the momennt? |
| 15:08.39 | schme | webben: It's a terrible thing that pod viewer, ya :S |
| 15:09.08 | platinmage | Hello guys, The Debian (Sarge) Installer asks by installation time for host and domainname which both I am giving him. But after installation the hostname as I entered is there but not the domainname. I get localhost.localdomain but it schould be localnet.net (it is a domainname for a local net not routed). a) Why doesn't the installer enetered the domainname right into the system? b) How can i enter my domainname into the system? |
| 15:09.27 | Carbon_Monoxide | I'm new to Debian. Any Debian admin can help with a mysqld connection problem? |
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| 15:09.56 | Bonz | platinmage: take 8lb sledge in one hand & cold chisel in other hand and start bashing :) |
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| 15:10.15 | tarzeau | !fixed |
| 15:10.15 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 15:10.24 | schme | webben: I have trouble suggesting things for people in general.. my world is emacs (: KDE and things just seem complicated |
| 15:11.02 | platinmage | Bonz: I know you want to make a joke, but, please, I need this answer for my questions. |
| 15:11.03 | webben | schme, One thing I do with is that in terms of telling people how to do something ... console commands are generally way easier |
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| 15:11.20 | webben | schme, although it can be a bit complicated with capitals and special characters |
| 15:11.30 | webben | *I do agree with |
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| 15:12.05 | webben | schme, e.g. I try and help out a bit on blind user mailing lists. Helping at all is tricky... but saying press alt + i, then d, then d etc can be a bit easier |
| 15:12.10 | platinmage | What is the right way to enter the domainname into a (Sarge) System, please? |
| 15:12.15 | Carbon_Monoxide | I can't remote connect to mysqld on Debian Sarge. I didn't do any thing on the iptables or firewall myself. Is that the default setting making mysqld can't be connected? |
| 15:12.18 | webben | schme, it's the people who navigate using the mouse who are really tricky |
| 15:12.20 | itchi | platinmage: Look to /etc/hosts, man hosts, man host |
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| 15:12.33 | webben | schme, I hate being asked "Do I click or double-click?" |
| 15:12.39 | schme | webben: Hehehe. |
| 15:12.45 | Bonz | platinmage: good for you, if you really wanted an answer you'ds start reading |
| 15:12.58 | dgilmore | does anyone know where i can get a count of how many Source packages tehre are in debian |
| 15:13.11 | webben | schme, Or trying to talk about "dialogs" to people who don't understand what a Window is/ |
| 15:13.19 | schme | webben: blind users .. hrm.. that must be something. Is it even possible for them to use a mouse effectively? |
| 15:13.53 | webben | schme, Yes in some circumstances. I actually meant sighted mouse users though. |
| 15:14.02 | schme | webben: oh :) |
| 15:14.16 | webben | schme, For example window screen readers can often report what the mouse is hovering over |
| 15:14.29 | schme | webben: That is nice indeed. |
| 15:14.41 | adamt | schme: They use the mouse for feeding their cat. |
| 15:14.44 | webben | schme, how much blind people make use of that though I'm not sure |
| 15:15.05 | webben | schme, it's very useful for sighted users doing rough accessibility tests, since they can point and hear as it were |
| 15:15.08 | schme | webben: I imagine that is an area that GNU/linux is a few years behind OSX and Windows ... ? |
| 15:15.17 | adamt | Unfortunately the mouse is made of plastic, and the cat starved to death.. but the blind mand didn't notice so he's still happy |
| 15:15.24 | schme | adamt: Hehehe :) |
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| 15:15.53 | schme | I compiled wine to be able to watch this webcast. Now wine isn't working :S |
| 15:15.57 | webben | schme, Well. Not necessarily different to gaps in other areas. There are certain things you just can't do yet with Linux screen readers. |
| 15:16.00 | Bonz | schme: qgive it a pay rise or better working conditions then :P |
| 15:16.08 | Bonz | wine works fine for me |
| 15:16.17 | webben | schme, For example Flash content is only made accessible to screen readers in Internet Explorer. |
| 15:16.29 | webben | schme, though of course that affects OS X too |
| 15:16.30 | Bonz | but I'm using an ancient version for really simple software too |
| 15:16.52 | schme | Bonz: I grabbed the latest source and compiled |
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| 15:17.01 | webben | schme, KDE is massively behind. There's no screen reader that supports KDE yet. |
| 15:17.04 | schme | Bonz: I just want to run IE and media player (: |
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| 15:17.17 | Bonz | anyone who uses flash needs there head examined anyway |
| 15:17.19 | webben | schme, Gnome is doing pretty good ... got two good screen readers projects - orca and lsr |
| 15:17.38 | schme | webben: Heh.. I remember someone going on about all the "accessability" options in KDE.. |
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| 15:17.54 | Empiric | hi all |
| 15:18.05 | Empiric | i have entry level server board NH1 |
| 15:18.08 | webben | Bonz, well, the issue is some people insist flash is a better experience, then there's flash video, and then there's idiot web designers who don't provide a non-Flash fallback |
| 15:18.09 | Empiric | with 2 sata |
| 15:18.18 | Empiric | debian eont pick drives why |
| 15:18.20 | Empiric | any idea |
| 15:18.20 | schme | oh |
| 15:18.24 | webben | schme, Well I /think/ KDE has some good stuff for the mobility-impaired. |
| 15:18.31 | schme | Bonz: Maybe the wine in the repositories will work :D |
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| 15:18.46 | schme | webben: Aaah.. |
| 15:18.47 | webben | schme, also (and you'll like this) emacs has emacspeak , which rather rocks |
| 15:18.58 | webben | (and I say that as somebody whom emacs drives nuts) |
| 15:19.01 | schme | webben: I know of emacspeak ya :) |
| 15:19.03 | Bonz | webben: as a lynx user I dont really care what praises some people dump upon flash |
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| 15:19.20 | schme | ok |
| 15:19.37 | schme | webben: It is a very interesting area .. computing for handicapped people |
| 15:19.38 | schme | ok |
| 15:19.39 | schme | food time |
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| 15:19.46 | webben | Bonz, Well, that's cool. Until you come to some content you can't access. |
| 15:20.03 | webben | schme, enjoy your lunch/dinner/breakfast whatever :) |
| 15:20.06 | Bonz | I basically blacklist all flash sites frommy networks too protect my users from idiots who have such opinions |
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| 15:21.02 | webben | Bonz, I have seen some reasonable uses of Flash. e.g. http://www.tenthdimension.com/ |
| 15:21.09 | h3sp4wn | I don't see the point in lynx annoying the cookies pop ups all the time - elinks or links2 is fine |
| 15:21.11 | Bonz | if you cant be bothered providing accessable content for all then I fail too see the point of having a website at all |
| 15:21.28 | h3sp4wn | (unless there is some way to disable that I don't know) |
| 15:21.32 | webben | Bonz, Well I agree with that. :) |
| 15:21.41 | webben | Bonz, Although the "all" can be problematic. |
| 15:21.55 | webben | Bonz, But definitely for "the audience you want". |
| 15:22.13 | Bonz | and the judge pretty much came too a similar conclusion when scog was dragged over the coalss for similar opinions which are completely offtopic for debian |
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| 15:22.31 | jatt | h3sp4wn: lynx has the -accept_all_cookies command line option. What do you mean by annoying the cookies pop ups? |
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| 15:22.47 | webben | (The problem being almost nobody provides fallback content for those with learning disabilities unless they deliberate include them in the audience. |
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| 15:23.21 | webben | Bonz, I'm confused. SCO promoted flash? |
| 15:23.46 | Bonz | umm what is sco? |
| 15:24.11 | Bonz | dpkg sco |
| 15:24.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, sco is Santa Cruz Operation, http://www.sco.com/, and also suing everyone over linux The SCO that's doing the suing is actually Caldera, renamed to SCO (The SCO Group). The original SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) went bankrupt years ago and became Tarantella. |
| 15:24.25 | h3sp4wn | jatt: Allow? (Y/N/Always/neVer) |
| 15:24.30 | Bonz | ahh I was thinking along the lines of a debian package |
| 15:24.34 | webben | Bonz, oh .... I thought that was a typo. What is scog? |
| 15:25.14 | abrotman | #debian ? |
| 15:25.16 | Bonz | webben: its offtopic for #debian try a search engine if you are interested as I will so no more about it in here |
| 15:25.19 | h3sp4wn | jatt: links2 is nicer to use anyway and works well |
| 15:25.30 | webben | Bonz, ah okay. fair enough :) |
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| 15:26.08 | jatt | h3sp4wn: as I said, the -accept_all_cookies command line option avoids those questions. For example with that option I see: |
| 15:26.09 | jatt | 'A'lways allowing from domain '.google.de'. |
| 15:26.09 | jatt | instead of the question Allow? |
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| 15:26.49 | h3sp4wn | jatt: what advantages does lynx have over links2 ? |
| 15:26.49 | Bonz | I personally use festival as my reader though and find it works outa the box |
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| 15:27.05 | webben | Is links2 still being developed? |
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| 15:27.30 | jatt | h3sp4wn: I don't know. I am a happy lynx user. Haven't found a reason to look for an alternative. |
| 15:28.02 | webben | h3sp4wn, from memory like elinks and w3m links2 was/is both a graphical and a text browser |
| 15:28.02 | webben | in a sense |
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| 15:28.41 | webben | h3sp4wn, with lynx if you want to view an image you'd normally have to launch an external program |
| 15:29.07 | Bonz | yes a nice feature |
| 15:29.46 | Bonz | pity about the morons who cant write html too a standard and provide sane labels for it |
| 15:29.59 | webben | h3sp4wn, I'd also give ELinks a try (includes CSS support and JS if you compile it) |
| 15:30.10 | Bonz | but I guess the same prob applies regardless of browser |
| 15:30.12 | webben | h3sp4wn, and maybe w3m |
| 15:30.17 | webben | h3sp4wn, see which one you like |
| 15:30.30 | webben | Bonz, Yep applies to all browsers. |
| 15:30.47 | Bonz | I prefer lynx but thats only cause it's probably been round the longest |
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| 15:31.17 | h3sp4wn | webben: links2 is fine (I have tried all of them) good that you can use directfb + radeonfb with it if you need graphics |
| 15:31.17 | Bonz | hence it's bugs are more numerous :) |
| 15:31.39 | itchi | hhhhmm, looks like we need to stop completely the apache webserver, restarting will not help in some cases |
| 15:31.53 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:31.53 | dpkg | elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
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| 15:32.27 | jatt | haha |
| 15:32.35 | itchi | Weird, now next one: Warning: include() [function.include]: URL file-access is disabled in the server configuration in /foo/bar.php What's happend with it, man |
| 15:33.09 | itchi | Weird because i have not heard people complaining about it, looks a bit bugy to me |
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| 15:34.17 | xitro | hey, I've got a problem |
| 15:35.15 | xitro | my highest resolution is 800X600 i would like it to set it to 1600X1200, my vga card is onboard and the chipset is SiS, does anyone have an idea what to do |
| 15:35.34 | kupesoft | What version of etch should I download? |
| 15:35.51 | Ronin | kupesoft: theres only one |
| 15:35.59 | ragnul | xitro: disable that card and put a different one in the box |
| 15:36.00 | kupesoft | ...? |
| 15:36.10 | ragnul | xitro: I have a radeon 7000 pci if you want to buy it |
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| 15:36.28 | itchi | rahul: ?? |
| 15:36.29 | xitro | ragnul, not a solution, I've got not any else card |
| 15:36.32 | Ronin | kupesoft: theres only one version of etch, do you mean which release of debian? |
| 15:36.34 | rahul | xitro: I'm in NYC |
| 15:36.38 | Bonz | gewt a copy of etch off the last version of the internet cd from your local computer shop:) |
| 15:36.43 | rahul | xitro: then you have no solution... |
| 15:36.44 | itchi | xitro: Look to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xorg |
| 15:36.46 | xitro | I'm in Belgium :D |
| 15:36.51 | rahul | heh well |
| 15:36.52 | kupesoft | Ronin: netinstall, full dvd's, etc |
| 15:37.01 | rahul | xitro: if the hardware you have can't handle what you want... |
| 15:37.15 | Ronin | kupesoft: thats up to you, the computer you're installing on is it on a high speed connection? |
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| 15:37.22 | kupesoft | Ronin, yup |
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| 15:37.40 | xitro | itchi, alredy done but after a bit it ask bus identifity , so PCI:0 but ... |
| 15:37.43 | Ronin | kupesoft: net install then, one little mini cd is all you need, then the rest comes from repos |
| 15:37.51 | Ronin | Bonz: stable version of sid? heh |
| 15:37.53 | itchi | xitro: but? |
| 15:38.06 | xitro | now my X is complete disabled |
| 15:38.10 | kupesoft | Ronin, alright |
| 15:38.28 | itchi | xitro: Look also to the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or the /etc/X11/xorg.conf especially to the bottom of the config file |
| 15:38.46 | itchi | xitro: s/bottom/top/ |
| 15:38.51 | xitro | ok I woud look |
| 15:39.01 | Bonz | Ronin: you laugh but my version of sid is probably more stable then etch given how loing it's been since I upgraded it |
| 15:39.35 | blondie | eh |
| 15:39.41 | rahul | Bonz: just because you're using old software doesn't mean it's less buggy |
| 15:39.51 | blondie | that means the bugs haven't been fixed ;) |
| 15:40.22 | Bonz | basically I'm picking through the remaining 844 now too maintain it's stability |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | tracker of doom is, like, a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 15:40.41 | itchi | blondie: About which one? |
| 15:40.59 | Bonz | rahul: of course it is, older means less changes too introduce bugs into it :) |
| 15:41.09 | Zap-W | what happens if i delete /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 15:41.11 | Bonz | otherwise misnamed features |
| 15:41.15 | jelly | Zap-W: stuff |
| 15:41.21 | blondie | 15:39:03 < Bonz> Ronin: you laugh but my version of sid is probably more stable then etch given how loing it's been since I upgraded it |
| 15:41.24 | blondie | that one |
| 15:41.33 | abrotman | Zap-W: try taking the transmission out of your car |
| 15:41.34 | kupesoft | Ronin: When etch is released as "stable", will my installation immediately become "stable" and not "testing" (after an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade)? |
| 15:41.40 | rahul | !penixstrike Bonz |
| 15:41.40 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Bonz to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:41.41 | blondie | Bonz: that's rubbish |
| 15:41.52 | Zap-W | i am tempted to delete it |
| 15:41.56 | abrotman | that's also just plain stupid :) |
| 15:41.59 | itchi | okay |
| 15:42.02 | jatt | Zap-W: why would you do such a #?! thing? |
| 15:42.15 | Zap-W | ah ok , i wont |
| 15:42.17 | rahul | !wayttd Zap-W |
| 15:42.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Zap-W? |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | Zap-W: you must first absolve #debian of any responsibility |
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| 15:42.30 | jelly | Zap-W: sure, try it if you have a statically linked busybox or sash handy. |
| 15:42.39 | Bonz | blondie: whatever but I do not have any current iussues with my system that are software related |
| 15:42.44 | xitro | itchi, I see only 800X600 |
| 15:42.51 | itchi | xitro: In that config file? |
| 15:43.04 | abrotman | Bonz: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:43.08 | Zap-W | !quote |
| 15:43.08 | Stevie | Quote #141: <Yewnix> Can you write a script that will efectively give me head at 9:30 each night? |
| 15:43.09 | Stevie[FP] | Quote #1387 added by ProfessorWeed on #system at 1/9/02 10:28pm: [khaotic] ugh one thing i miss [khaotic] it's the little quicklaunch bar |
| 15:43.19 | kupesoft | When etch is released as "stable", will my installation immediately become "stable" and not "testing" (after an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade)? |
| 15:43.19 | xitro | yes |
| 15:43.32 | abrotman | kupesoft: are you tracking etch or testing ? |
| 15:43.37 | Bonz | & these people who claim you need too upgrade too get something more stable when theres nothing wrong with whats in use need too get a clue |
| 15:43.38 | abrotman | Stevie[FP]: TURN IT OFF |
| 15:43.40 | Ronin | kupesoft: only if it says etch and not testing in your sources.list |
| 15:43.49 | abrotman | Stevie: you too |
| 15:43.53 | xitro | itchi, pastebin is out so I can't paste it |
| 15:43.58 | kupesoft | Okay, I'll make sure it says etch there, |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | Bonz: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ... what does it say ? |
| 15:44.01 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:44.02 | kupesoft | Thanks |
| 15:44.02 | dpkg | well, qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 15:44.04 | Ronin | xitro: patstebin.ca should be find |
| 15:44.06 | Zap-W | how do i search a quote |
| 15:44.06 | itchi | xitro: Okay, read been (or keep in mind the message on top), just add values then, and restart X /etc/init.d/gdm restart or so |
| 15:44.08 | Ronin | fine even |
| 15:44.08 | xitro | ow ok |
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| 15:44.30 | abrotman | really .. 127 should have been a FLW |
| 15:44.34 | abrotman | see .. that worked . |
| 15:44.35 | xitro | ow ok |
| 15:44.40 | itchi | xitro: Try another pastebin, there are many :-) Also see to /msg dpkg paste or /msg dpkg paster |
| 15:45.18 | xitro | ok i will first add a value for 1600X1200 else I will come back and paste it in a other pastebin |
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| 15:45.35 | itchi | xitro: ba, no more need then :-) |
| 15:45.48 | itchi | xitro: Sure the card does support that dimension? |
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| 15:46.27 | itchi | marcels_: Sorry to borrow you, there is #debian-nl let's make some noise :-) |
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| 15:46.49 | Zap-W | abrotman, anyway i can have dpkg to paste all quotes? |
| 15:46.59 | xitro | yes, I run in the past debian in 1600X1200 also so... |
| 15:47.00 | itchi | marcels_: Recently there are some Dutch pages on the Debian's wiki right now |
| 15:47.02 | marcels_ | itchi: since when is there a #debian-nl? |
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| 15:47.31 | marcels_ | ah nice |
| 15:47.32 | itchi | marcels_: Tryout /msg ChanServ info #debian-nl |
| 15:47.40 | marcels_ | will check that tonight when i'm home |
| 15:47.40 | Krush | is there a way to set default dpi values for a specific screen resolution? |
| 15:47.43 | Carbon_Monoxide | I want to upgrade glibc, but I don't know the package name on repo |
| 15:47.58 | itchi | marcels_: See you there then ;-) |
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| 15:48.08 | Krush | eg. if i am running 1024x768 dpi should be set to 85x85 |
| 15:48.28 | marcels_ | itchi: ke |
| 15:48.34 | itchi | marcels_: ;-) |
| 15:48.36 | Carbon_Monoxide | What should I do to get glibc upgraded? |
| 15:49.11 | jatt | Carbon_Monoxide: do you have a reason to upgrade? |
| 15:49.35 | jatt | Carbon_Monoxide: to upgrade glibc *only*? |
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| 15:51.11 | Carbon_Monoxide | jatt: My mysqld got problem on remote connection when using an IP as arguement. "Lost connection to MySQL server during query" |
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| 15:51.35 | rgsteele | So, what's the deal with the current rumblings in Debian developer land? http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html |
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| 15:52.57 | xitro | itchi, problem is not fixed, paste bin http://pastebin.ca/285050 |
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| 15:53.51 | itchi | xingu: You should need to modify an line Modes "800x600" "640x480" |
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| 15:54.18 | xitro | xingu = xitro |
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| 15:54.31 | itchi | ow |
| 15:54.36 | VIm_Enforcer | greetz |
| 15:54.43 | xitro | :-) |
| 15:54.44 | Gge_ | hello - I got a boot faikure with 3.1 rc4 + netinstall with audio i810 . Cannot find the fix even there are many threads about this . Anybody can help |
| 15:54.51 | itchi | xitro: Look in the Section "Screen" there are all the modes listed |
| 15:54.55 | xitro | yes |
| 15:55.03 | xitro | all change it to 1600X1200? |
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| 15:55.25 | es0 | How do I get rid of the gpg verification failure message when I aptitude update? (note: I use gpg regularly, so I just need basic instructions). |
| 15:55.35 | Gge_ | error is I810 audio - cannot find it |
| 15:55.36 | itchi | xitro: If you want that and if the card support it, yes |
| 15:55.45 | xitro | ok tnx |
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| 15:56.07 | itchi | xitro: Just add "1600X1200" before the other 2 |
| 15:56.18 | itchi | xitro: You have an example there ;-) |
| 15:56.24 | xingu | !topicsmite es0 |
| 15:56.24 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon es0. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:56.32 | Carbon_Monoxide | jatt: any idea? |
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| 15:57.11 | simonrvn | yeh yeh :P |
| 15:57.21 | Sup3rkiddo | !topicmite Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:57.27 | Sup3rkiddo | !topicsmite Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:57.27 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Sup3rkiddo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:57.34 | VIm_Enforcer | lol |
| 15:57.36 | itchi | Gge_: What's happend exactly? The crystal ball is still broken here |
| 15:57.37 | raf256 | stfu with sopicsmite |
| 15:57.40 | raf256 | !smitesmite Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:57.58 | Sup3rkiddo | i am a wizard..you mortals cannot harm me |
| 15:58.07 | xitro | itchi, ok tnx I restart X now |
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| 15:58.43 | RamGurrl | When sending mail to hotmail from my domain, it gets marked as junk. My DNS entries pass all tests at dnsreports.com and I've even added an SPF record. Any ideas? |
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| 15:59.02 | rahul | don't send email to hotmail |
| 15:59.06 | xingu | he's a pinball wizard |
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| 15:59.10 | xingu | supple wrist and all |
| 15:59.11 | itchi | RamGurrl: Use gmail |
| 15:59.17 | RamGurrl | not a solution. |
| 15:59.27 | Gge_ | Itchi : On a laptop acer 1650 , I tried to install debian 3.1rc4 . Boot fails with error message " i810_audio can't be loaded .... this issue is known as per goolgle but I was unable to find proper answer with a fix |
| 15:59.33 | itchi | RamGurrl: At least, it's an solution not to use msn :-) |
| 15:59.42 | _Sam-- | when is etch coming out |
| 15:59.48 | RamGurrl | i'm not using msn... my users are. |
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| 15:59.56 | rahul | get better users :P |
| 15:59.58 | Ronin | _Sam--: when its ready |
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| 16:00.01 | RamGurrl | example... newsletters and password changes |
| 16:00.10 | Gge_ | Itchi , the solution is to desisable the device but how ? I sit corrected in a new version of Debian ? |
| 16:00.13 | _Sam-- | you mean when people stop fighting? |
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| 16:00.16 | darek | hi |
| 16:00.20 | Ronin | _Sam--: no when its ready |
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| 16:00.36 | darek | how can i install mysql 5? debian cant find this on rpeository |
| 16:01.00 | itchi | Gge_: There are an boot param to not autodetect some stuff, look at that, Press F1 when the cd is booted |
| 16:01.07 | Gge_ | Itchi - sorry for the typing error . Seems to be a vey known problem |
| 16:01.18 | Ronin | RamGurrl: this help any? |
| 16:01.20 | Ronin | http://pastebin.ca/285063 |
| 16:01.22 | itchi | Gge_: I dunno, im near new too |
| 16:01.28 | _Sam-- | what do you think about people getting paid to release debian |
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| 16:01.42 | Carbon_Monoxide | anyway to upgrade my glibc? |
| 16:01.45 | Gge_ | Itchi , yest I did that . I boot with option linux26 , noacpi etc |
| 16:01.47 | rahul | _Sam--: try #redhat |
| 16:01.56 | itchi | _Sam--: Not yet correct, if some others are not |
| 16:02.05 | _Sam-- | rahul: try dunc-tank.org |
| 16:02.46 | Ronin | _Sam--: no problem at all however you may wnat to talk this to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:02.49 | itchi | _Sam--: But that _service_ is just to break some spirits! |
| 16:03.15 | RamGurrl | Ronin I'll read... brb |
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| 16:03.29 | _Sam-- | sorry i just dont like the way that debian is headed if the project release manager is being paid to release etch on time |
| 16:03.37 | _Sam-- | it leads down a dark path |
| 16:03.43 | xitro | itchi, thanks it's working now :D |
| 16:03.48 | itchi | xitro: :-p |
| 16:03.50 | Ronin | _Sam--: i disagree but like i said |
| 16:03.50 | abrotman | _Sam--: then don't use it .. noone is forcing you |
| 16:04.21 | xitro | itchi, tnx! :-) |
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| 16:04.32 | itchi | xitro: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 16:04.48 | _Sam-- | i mean, is that the future, commercially supported debian? |
| 16:04.56 | _Sam-- | i have no problem, im just trying to understand the roadmap |
| 16:04.56 | RamGurrl | Ronin: I have a valid SPF |
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| 16:05.41 | rahul | _Sam--: linux got where it is because of commercial support |
| 16:05.43 | CharminTheMoose | what's the command to search for a file in the debian repositories? |
| 16:05.43 | Ronin | doh, crappy url in that pastebin: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/safety/content/technologies/senderid/wizard/default.aspx |
| 16:05.46 | abrotman | _Sam--: there is no commercial support |
| 16:05.51 | abrotman | not via dunc-tank anyways |
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| 16:06.00 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: apt-file |
| 16:06.15 | rahul | _Sam--: do you think pimply-faced high-schoolers made linux useful for running commercial servers? |
| 16:06.27 | rahul | _Sam--: no, the people who make or run those servers made it useful. |
| 16:06.29 | _Sam-- | rahul: YES....i hired them in 1993 to make my ISP work. |
| 16:06.51 | CharminTheMoose | I can't seem to find a debian package that contains the program bitmap in it |
| 16:06.52 | rahul | !nickometer _Sam-- |
| 16:06.53 | dpkg | '_Sam--' is 80.000% lame, rahul |
| 16:07.01 | _Sam-- | some of them later went on to start napster and other endeavors. |
| 16:07.10 | Sup3rkiddo | !nickometer Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:07.12 | dpkg | 'Sup3rkiddo' is 22.000% lame, sup3rkiddo |
| 16:07.13 | rahul | I guess that's why irssi dumps his nick to the back of the tab-completion queue |
| 16:07.17 | _Sam-- | they made my linux useful for my commercial endeavor |
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| 16:07.37 | abrotman | napster was started by one person .. on windows |
| 16:07.45 | rahul | so it's not a "dark path" or whatever you were talking about |
| 16:07.45 | _Sam-- | wrong...look up jordan mendelson. |
| 16:07.53 | _Sam-- | he worked at my ISP as a pimply high school |
| 16:07.53 | abrotman | wrong |
| 16:07.54 | _Sam-- | schooler |
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| 16:08.16 | abrotman | still tardsday :) |
| 16:08.19 | Ronin | even if i cant spell calendar |
| 16:08.20 | _Sam-- | lookup snocap.com |
| 16:08.28 | _Sam-- | jordan and seans newest company |
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| 16:08.35 | _Sam-- | jordan wrote half of napster in my basement |
| 16:08.40 | _Sam-- | if you dotn beleive me, ik really dont care. |
| 16:08.47 | abrotman | no .. i don't really care |
| 16:08.48 | Ronin | _Sam--: ok ill say it, lol |
| 16:08.50 | _Sam-- | but pimply faced high schoolers did a lot for linux in the early 90s |
| 16:08.57 | Ronin | and yes i really laughed out loud there |
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| 16:09.21 | xingu | how early in the 90's just out of interest? |
| 16:09.23 | _Sam-- | im not offended. |
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| 16:09.33 | _Sam-- | 1993 jordan started working on linux kernel stuff |
| 16:09.33 | abrotman | _Sam--: have you seen the african watering hole webcam ? |
| 16:09.36 | Ronin | _Sam--: reminds me of a movie i once saw where one of the main charectors was saying they wrote napster in thier basement and it was stolen from them |
| 16:09.40 | _Sam-- | when he worked for me at an ISP i owned |
| 16:09.40 | itchi | Ronin: You have looked to the wrong year ;-) |
| 16:09.47 | Ronin | itchi: apparently |
| 16:09.55 | _Sam-- | like i said -- i dont care if you believe me or not...im not here for ap issing match. |
| 16:10.33 | deebu | hi all...im dying to install etch and cant wait...should i install r4? do i have to do clean install when etch final is out? |
| 16:10.52 | xingu | see the thing is, I remember circa '93 linux; this was before debian 0.91, and the tty layer just stank |
| 16:10.56 | abrotman | deebu: no ..y ou can do a dist-upgrade .. or install etch now (but no current security updates) |
| 16:10.59 | Ronin | deebu: why do a clean install wthen its releases as stable? |
| 16:11.03 | _Sam-- | this was slackware |
| 16:11.05 | _Sam-- | like 1.0 |
| 16:11.23 | Carbon_Monoxide | How can I upgrade glibc? |
| 16:11.25 | xingu | the IO layer wasn't much better; and it would've been more than your life was worth to build an "isp" out of it |
| 16:11.26 | abrotman | do you actually have a debian question ? |
| 16:11.27 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 16:11.27 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 16:11.33 | _Sam-- | "Founded by Shawn Fanning, Jordan Mendelson and Ron Conway in 2002, SNOCAP aims to be the trusted solution powering the global marketplace for digital media." |
| 16:11.35 | xingu | assuming, of course, that you had an upstream to connect it to |
| 16:11.37 | rahul | Carbon_Monoxide: you don't just upgrade glibc |
| 16:11.41 | xingu | which in '93 were relatively rare things. |
| 16:11.43 | Ronin | Carbon_Monoxide: didnt somoene already give you a response/ask for more information? |
| 16:12.00 | deebu | Ronin: really! is r4 just as stable! cool.. |
| 16:12.05 | _Sam-- | i had dual channel ISDN |
| 16:12.08 | _Sam-- | and an upstream with a t1 |
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| 16:12.18 | _Sam-- | using a cyclades multiport card |
| 16:12.19 | mormoloc | question : When do you guys think the new Deb version will be released? |
| 16:12.21 | abrotman | stop already .. noone cares |
| 16:12.30 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 16:12.30 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 16:12.36 | Ronin | good lord can we set up an onjoin msg for wwer |
| 16:12.37 | _Sam-- | everyone keeps trying to refute everything i say |
| 16:12.46 | abrotman | that's great .. go blog about it .. |
| 16:12.47 | _Sam-- | if you dont believe it, fine. |
| 16:13.24 | _Sam-- | no wonder etch is coming late. with your fucking piss poor attitudes its no wonder nobody wants to work. |
| 16:13.26 | _Sam-- | go fuck yourselves |
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| 16:13.31 | deebu | im intermediate user....do i need only disc1 or disc1 & 2 for debian etch install?? |
| 16:13.41 | hypersniper | what a nice bloke |
| 16:13.50 | Ronin | deebu: fast connection? use the netinstall then |
| 16:13.53 | abrotman | !d-i deebu |
| 16:13.53 | dpkg | deebu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:13.58 | deebu | i didnt know ppl abuse here! |
| 16:14.04 | Carbon_Monoxide | Ronin: jatt asked me about the reason to upgrade glibc. And I have replied that my mysqld is working properly with gethostbyaddr() contains a overflow problem. |
| 16:14.34 | Carbon_Monoxide | rahul: Does it upgraded along with other lib? |
| 16:14.49 | rahul | Carbon_Monoxide: do you know how apt works? |
| 16:14.49 | xingu | now speaking for myself, a quick peek at cyclades.c also shows a version history starting... in '94. |
| 16:14.59 | deebu | Ronin: no ive slow internet at home...i'll be downloading cds at my univ...i'll be outta my univ by end of this yr...so i wont get etch final..so i wanna install r4.. |
| 16:15.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:15.21 | Carbon_Monoxide | rahul: I'm a user of Ubuntu. Hope it works the same with Debian |
| 16:15.23 | Ronin | deebu: in that case get disk 1 and 2 at least |
| 16:15.33 | abrotman | Carbon_Monoxide: it won't |
| 16:15.36 | Ronin | Carbon_Monoxide: ask in #ubuntu theyd know best |
| 16:15.39 | rahul | Carbon_Monoxide: then go away |
| 16:15.41 | rahul | wtf. |
| 16:15.58 | rahul | it really is tardsday |
| 16:16.08 | deebu | Ronin: what stuff can i find in disc1 & 2? I hope gnome, firefox, gaim, k3b/gnomebaker atleast? |
| 16:16.19 | deebu | or kde too? |
| 16:16.27 | Carbon_Monoxide | rahul: No! I want to upgrade glibc on my Debian box. |
| 16:16.30 | Ronin | deebu: yes yes and yes :) |
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| 16:17.03 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 16:17.04 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 16:17.05 | itchi | !cd contents |
| 16:17.07 | itchi | oeps |
| 16:17.10 | deebu | Ronin: thx:) wow kde also! coooolllllll...btw can i find list of packages anywhere on each cd? |
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| 16:17.20 | Ronin | deebu: ^ |
| 16:17.29 | deebu | oh yes got dat:) |
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| 16:18.15 | deebu | does etch have firefox 2.0?? |
| 16:18.22 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: iceweasel |
| 16:18.29 | Sup3rkiddo | oh or is it sid.. |
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| 16:20.39 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: iceweasel? which version of FF will i find in etch? |
| 16:20.50 | deebu | Ronin: gaim seems to be on cd#3 |
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| 16:20.55 | gndAfk | hello |
| 16:21.12 | mormoloc | deebu: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 16:21.18 | raz0 | deebu, Erhm. Firefox is called Iceweasel now. |
| 16:21.22 | raz0 | (in Debian) |
| 16:21.31 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: packages.debian.org |
| 16:21.37 | Ronin | raz0: which release? |
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| 16:21.42 | deebu | raz0: hmmm i seeeee......so which version? |
| 16:21.42 | raz0 | 2.0 |
| 16:21.48 | deebu | cool |
| 16:21.51 | Ronin | debian release i meant |
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| 16:22.03 | raz0 | oh, etch |
| 16:22.13 | Sup3rkiddo | isnt gnu iceweasel and debian iceweasel different |
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| 16:22.23 | h3sp4wn | etch still has firefox 1.5 it looks like |
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| 16:22.36 | Ronin | humm interesing its not iceweasel in my etch repos |
| 16:22.44 | gndAfk | I was looking through my apache access.log and I noticed I get a lot of "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 1150 requests from always different domains and it looks like they were referred to my site from some weird addresses |
| 16:22.47 | rahul | assweasel. |
| 16:22.49 | gndAfk | anyone know what this would be? |
| 16:23.02 | Spliffster | i would like to know if it is possible to re-export nfs shares from a central file server? |
| 16:23.04 | Sup3rkiddo | yup..its still firefox in etch alright |
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| 16:23.20 | itchi | gndAfk: Depend of the content you have on it |
| 16:23.21 | Sup3rkiddo | and its 1.5 |
| 16:23.33 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: etch is having ff 1.5 |
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| 16:24.02 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: :( |
| 16:24.11 | xingu | if anyone gives a monkey's, I reckon I worked out why my clock is drifting in 2.6.19.1; GENERIC_TIME merge has blown x86_64's pmtimer for six; net result is that the only usable clock source is good old jiffies |
| 16:24.16 | xingu | reliable, like a fishnet condom |
| 16:24.23 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: sid has iceweasel 2.0 and i run it..:).// |
| 16:24.52 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: u use sid? can i use iceweasel 2.0 on r4? |
| 16:25.24 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: if you want to run ff 2.0 use the mozilla build then.. |
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| 16:26.14 | xingu | there seem to be some patches for the x86_64 side which I'll give a whirl if/when 2.6.19.2 ever shows up |
| 16:26.35 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: remember to install libstdc++5 in that case |
| 16:26.36 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: hey wait! i can ALWAYS use swiftfox! http://getswiftfox.com/debian.htm |
| 16:27.08 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: mozilla dont have ff 2.0 debs i guess...only tar.gz ones |
| 16:27.09 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: haha..suits you mate...remember to install libstdc++5 |
| 16:27.55 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: yeah..i used to run em while in etch..just extract it somewhere in your home dir and add shortcuts |
| 16:27.57 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: why is libstdc++5 needed? i thought realplayer needed it...? |
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| 16:28.22 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: the mozilla builds doesnt run without it |
| 16:28.33 | Sup3rkiddo | applies to thunderbird as well |
| 16:28.39 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: yes..but i was told by an ubuntu wiki that installing FF 2.0 dat way isnt a good idea.. |
| 16:29.02 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: you arent installing really.. |
| 16:29.20 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: i see...ok...but i assume u recommend me to use r4 not sid? sid's not downloadable i guess anywhere.. |
| 16:29.44 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: ur rught..i'll be using swiftfox.... |
| 16:29.45 | Ronin | deebu: sid is for the super geeks, only run it if you can fix it by yourself when it breaks |
| 16:30.02 | Sup3rkiddo | *noob |
| 16:30.07 | deebu | Ronin: thx ronin... |
| 16:30.14 | deebu | but im not geek plz! |
| 16:30.14 | blondie | Sup3rkiddo: we can tell from your nick! |
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| 16:30.22 | Sup3rkiddo | lol.. |
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| 16:31.08 | userek | is update-rc.d <service> remove a proper way of disabling unwanted services? |
| 16:31.13 | deebu | one question....suppose i install r4 now....will i be able to use etch final CDs to install stuff from them? or must i have to use only r4 CDs?? |
| 16:31.37 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: not a problem ...apt-get is your friend |
| 16:31.57 | lando_ | aptitude is mine. |
| 16:31.58 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: im on verrrrryyyy slow internet.. |
| 16:32.19 | userek | am i making sense or what? :P |
| 16:32.25 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: oh..i had a dialup once..asked the guys at my LUG to download software for me |
| 16:32.27 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 16:32.49 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: yeah you can..apt-get add cdrom |
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| 16:33.13 | darek | which packets i need to make a quota? |
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| 16:33.15 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: i download stuff at my univ...but my course will be over by end of this yr....so no more downloads:( |
| 16:33.17 | Sup3rkiddo | just make sure you dont have any internet repos in your sources.list... |
| 16:33.48 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: i hope using mixing etch final debs with my r4 system wont break anything?? |
| 16:33.52 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: oh same problem here.. |
| 16:34.21 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: you gotta watch carefully what apt is removing..i once mixed debian with ubuntu |
| 16:34.36 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: lol |
| 16:35.15 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: funny thing was i kept it for about 2 months until it broke.. |
| 16:36.27 | deebu | im fed up of edgy...blinking cursor on boot and slow booting...i just want a simple sweet system like Debian...Etch is releasing at the perfect time for me:) |
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| 16:36.57 | blondie | hmm |
| 16:36.58 | blondie | middle:/# tasksel |
| 16:36.58 | blondie | Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/tasksel line 345. |
| 16:37.13 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: :P debian is sweeter if installed from the netinst cd..not that i am teasin you or anything |
| 16:37.25 | tarzeau | tasksel still exists? |
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| 16:37.55 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: but why u say its sweeter dat way? installs any fancy stuff from net? even downloading 1MB ive to think! |
| 16:38.28 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: you wont install unwanted things that way..and you always get the latest packages |
| 16:38.48 | deebu | i see.....but dats a dream for me:( |
| 16:39.00 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: it was once for me..:P |
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| 16:39.16 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: r4 discs 1 & 2 dont allow me to select any stuff? |
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| 16:40.26 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: in that case..1 -> install base, 2-> add all the cdroms via apt-cdrom add 3-> install whatever you want |
| 16:41.24 | Sup3rkiddo | i think at somepoint during the install you will be asked for the type of system you want to install..select Standard System..you will have a base system then |
| 16:41.27 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: cool....i hope ur sure dat using etch final cds with my r4 install wont break anythin or cause me trouble... |
| 16:41.40 | itchi | Why i get the following error when i try to view an PHP file with the webbrowser? Warning: include() [function.include]: URL file-access is disabled in the server configuration in /foo/bar.php on line 36 |
| 16:41.44 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: you gotta meddle with sources.list |
| 16:42.05 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible to update to a r4 of sarge? |
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| 16:42.09 | CharminTheMoose | via apt-get? |
| 16:42.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:42.20 | deebu | will r5 be released? or etch final will release? |
| 16:42.22 | abrotman | it should happen with a normal upgrade |
| 16:42.35 | abrotman | deebu: i believe there is an r5 planned |
| 16:42.53 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: wouldnt want duplications..would you...you have to remove existing entries in the sources.list |
| 16:43.13 | Sup3rkiddo | of course assuming you arent gonna use network mirrors |
| 16:43.15 | deebu | abrotman: :(...but i guess it wont be much different than r4...or ive to download new set of cds again:( |
| 16:43.40 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: where are you from...ask any guys from the local LUG.. |
| 16:43.57 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: sure i'll remove em....i just wanna know if r4 debs are gonna conflict with etch final debs.. |
| 16:44.21 | amphi | deebu: wouldn't you be better off with netinstall and just getting what you want? or is this for multiple installs? |
| 16:44.28 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: im in calcutta India...very few ppl use linux here..and hardly any stay in touch...forget LUGs! |
| 16:44.46 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: i am from chennai..durgapur has a great LUG |
| 16:45.07 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: so ur an indian too:) |
| 16:45.11 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: hey Calcutta has a LUG too.. |
| 16:45.15 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: yup |
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| 16:45.35 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: but i wonder if its dat helpful...im not aware of it.. |
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| 16:46.18 | abrotman | deebu: there's usually a upgrade CD |
| 16:46.24 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: you know internet speeds here..LUGs are plenty much helpful in that case..see if there is mailing list and ask whether if anyone has etch cds |
| 16:46.32 | deebu | does r4 have gnome 2.16 or gnome 2.14??? |
| 16:46.40 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: how do i go about it? |
| 16:46.48 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: just a sec |
| 16:46.49 | abrotman | deebu: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:46.54 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sarge |
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| 16:46.59 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 16:47.15 | amphi | deebu: when etch is released, you should be able to buy cds - I had to get woody cds shipped from Mumbai to Kathmandu ;) |
| 16:47.53 | deebu | boy it seems this is an indian chatroom! |
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| 16:48.01 | Sup3rkiddo | any idea whose voice appears in the distrowatch podcasts...some rant about steve ballmer in the end |
| 16:48.07 | Flimzy | Why am I having such a hard time getting a custom kernel with LVM support to boot an LVM root?! |
| 16:48.08 | deebu | amphi: i dont earn yet:( |
| 16:48.17 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: me too :( |
| 16:48.39 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: http://www.ilug-cal.org/ |
| 16:48.40 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: but i hope to join a call centre HSBC in Jan:) |
| 16:48.52 | Ronin | deebu: dont even think of callin g me |
| 16:48.56 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
| 16:49.09 | amphi | deebu: didn't cost much, IIRC - just sent 'em a dd and the cds arrived, surprisingly ;) |
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| 16:49.37 | Sup3rkiddo | deebu: come to #linux-india...some of the guys are from Calcutta |
| 16:50.06 | deebu | Ronin: lol |
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| 16:51.06 | deebu | Sup3rkiddo: thx im coming rite now! |
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| 16:53.10 | deebu | amphi: whom u sent the DD? |
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| 16:53.46 | amphi | deebu: the people that were selling the cds; the company no longer exists |
| 16:54.03 | deebu | :( |
| 16:54.33 | amphi | deebu: BTW, this site is selling single sarge dvd for Rs120, http://www.kiraninfotech.com/ |
| 16:54.52 | deebu | amphi: i need etch dvd... |
| 16:55.30 | zetetic | him I've finally managed to install canon pixma iP4200 drivers, from mango personal repository. The printer is proper configured but now I would to know how can I perform maintenance on the printer, such as head cleaning. Anyone can help me please? |
| 16:55.33 | amphi | deebu: for that you'll need to wait until it's released, I guess - I just posted that as a vague price guide |
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| 16:56.13 | deebu | hmmm..can anyone say if etch has gnome 2.16 or 2.14?? |
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| 16:56.30 | zetetic | deebu: etch has GNOME 2.14.3 |
| 16:57.07 | amphi | deebu: linuxbazaar is selling sarge cd set for Rs.500 and notes "Shipping Weight: 100lbs" ;) |
| 16:57.17 | deebu | zetetic: distrowatch page says it has gnome 2.16 and FF 2?? |
| 16:57.30 | deebu | amphi: too much buddy! |
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| 16:57.57 | amphi | deebu: and 50kg is quite a lot for 15cds ;) and yeah, the price is absurdly high |
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| 16:58.19 | deebu | is there any step-by-step installation guide for etch anywhere? |
| 16:58.24 | zetetic | deebu: I don't know what distro watches says, but I'm running debian etch from netinst RC1, and I have GNOME version 2.14.3 |
| 16:58.42 | deebu | zetetic: okie! |
| 16:59.14 | amphi | deebu: aptitude shows ver. 2.14.3.3 here |
| 16:59.49 | zetetic | deebu: go to this link: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ |
| 16:59.54 | amphi | deebu: in any case, it might be worth contacting kiraninfotech |
| 17:00.16 | deebu | hmmmm...i wished r4 had 2.14.........i hope r5 does not upgrade anything...or i'll have to download new cds again...i hope r5 only fixes bugs :) |
| 17:00.26 | zetetic | deebu: and pay attention to point 6.3 - it's the main item you should read carefully |
| 17:00.44 | deebu | zetetic: thx! |
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| 17:01.53 | zetetic | nobody knows how can I perform maintenance on my canon pixma ip4200 printer? I mean maitenance tasks such us head cleaning? |
| 17:02.13 | CharminTheMoose | w00t,my entire debian install excluding my /home/me directory is merely 1.3GB! |
| 17:02.15 | zetetic | I installed canon pixma ip4200 drivers from mambo web repository |
| 17:02.19 | CharminTheMoose | booya |
| 17:02.44 | CharminTheMoose | s/install/system |
| 17:03.03 | Flimzy | Is devfs no longer available in modern kernels? (2.6.18 specifically) |
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| 17:04.02 | amphi | Flimzy: it was removed some time ago, to a certain amount of gnashing of teeth IIRC |
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| 17:04.26 | Flimzy | amphi: hrmph. What's the replacement? My new 2.6.18 custom kernel kernel panics because it cant mount /dev... |
| 17:04.35 | infernix | !insult ipsec |
| 17:04.36 | dpkg | ipsec is nothing but a tottering mass of fly-bitten fat-woman's stomach-bile |
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| 17:04.44 | Grub_Now | !version |
| 17:04.44 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 17:04.44 | amphi | Flimzy: udev |
| 17:05.09 | amphi | Flimzy: did you remove udev support? |
| 17:05.11 | deebu | zetetic: why r u still using rc1 and not r4?? |
| 17:05.16 | Flimzy | amphi: alright. Should it be as simple as an apt-get install udev, then reboot with the new kernel? or do I need to do something special first |
| 17:05.17 | Flimzy | ? |
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| 17:05.27 | Flimzy | I did not _intentionally_ remove udev support :) |
| 17:05.37 | zetetic | deebu: r4 is for debian sarge, RC1 is for debian etch |
| 17:05.45 | Flimzy | where is that selected in the kernel confic? |
| 17:05.47 | Flimzy | config even |
| 17:06.38 | amphi | Flimzy: dunno, I recently upgraded to etch, and always had static dev up 'til now, so my ignorance of udev is pretty complete |
| 17:06.53 | Flimzy | I shall reboot and see what happens then |
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| 17:07.50 | deebu | so whr do i get RC1 from??? |
| 17:08.00 | deebu | i know whr to get r4 from.. |
| 17:08.11 | Flimzy | well that didn't do it. !@#$ |
| 17:08.15 | Flimzy | still kernel paniced |
| 17:09.35 | Flimzy | where in the boot process is /dev mounted with devfs? It's not in fstab... so where is it supposed to be? |
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| 17:10.55 | zetetic | deebu: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:11.10 | zetetic | deebu: there you find the netinst for debian etch RC1 |
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| 17:13.07 | samyboy | how to not eject cdrom after sarge install ? |
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| 17:13.15 | samyboy | that is the question |
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| 17:14.09 | deebu | zetetic: i cant do net-install..very slow connection.. |
| 17:14.38 | zetetic | nobody here uses canon pixma ip4200? |
| 17:15.19 | amphi | !qotd29 |
| 17:15.19 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
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| 17:17.04 | zetetic | deebu: if your connction is too slow you could order CDs or dowanload CD/DVD images: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 17:17.09 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am looking to setup a rsa keyring for our company can someone pls point me to some howto's or in the right direction? |
| 17:17.24 | CharminTheMoose | what is /dev/shm used for and is it using ram to mount the tmpfs? |
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| 17:18.58 | amphi | zetetic: I doubt anyone is selling etch isos yet... |
| 17:19.04 | lloeki | CharminTheMoose: it's mem that can shared among processes |
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| 17:19.36 | lloeki | CharminTheMoose: as for using it as tmpfs, if it goes unused, I believe it'll be swapped |
| 17:19.51 | r3set | hijack, is anybody using aquamarine for beryl? |
| 17:19.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone have an idea when Etch is going to be released? |
| 17:20.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | r3set: I got it installed, but when I use beryl, I always use emerald. |
| 17:20.08 | infernix | 2000 a week! |
| 17:20.10 | infernix | !insult spammers |
| 17:20.11 | dpkg | spammers is nothing but a left-over coagulation of clouted eel ooze |
| 17:20.25 | infernix | hey, dpkg isn't plural aware when insulting |
| 17:20.25 | sepski | !wwer |
| 17:20.25 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 17:21.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | !wir |
| 17:21.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 17:21.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Meh. |
| 17:21.37 | deebu | im confused..whats the difference between images here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd and here /http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:21.44 | davidovich | hey, yesterday, i asked how to share internet on a debian computer with 2 Lan interfaces, i was told to install ipmasq, well, i did install it, but this doesn't work, i tried some howto's but without the desirable result, anyway, is there a way to view error messages or something like that, because when i type ipmasq in console, nothing visible happens, just another line |
| 17:22.05 | maher | davidovich: try looking is syslog |
| 17:22.05 | deebu | im confused..whats the difference between images here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd and here /http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ ....what do i download? |
| 17:22.17 | amphi | davidovich: that's simple enough to with iptables |
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| 17:22.21 | amphi | *to do |
| 17:22.27 | maher | deebu: ones the installed for sarge/stable the other is the beta installer fot etch/testing |
| 17:22.27 | CharminTheMoose | does bzip2 -v9 do maximum compression to an archive? |
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| 17:22.46 | amphi | davidovich: tldp.org and netfilter.org have docs |
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| 17:23.29 | n0mad | hi. just installed k3b on etch. seems to use cdrecord-fork wodim now. do i still have to suid wodim, cdrdao etc or is this fixed now ? (of course i could try and see but to lazy for that ...) |
| 17:23.47 | deebu | maher: which one should i download? |
| 17:23.51 | lloeki | davidovich: google for "gentoo howto iptables newbies", and adapt. |
| 17:23.52 | davidovich | etch |
| 17:25.16 | zetetic | deebu: I think you are confusing debian sarge with debian etch. you must choose if you want last sarge (3.1_r4) or last etc (RC1) |
| 17:25.46 | maher | deebu: stable |
| 17:25.49 | Flimzy | Is there a magical method involved in upgrading from devfs to udev on sarge? |
| 17:25.52 | deebu | zetetic: i want etch...with the gui installer...so i assume i must download testing cds? |
| 17:26.15 | maher | Flimzy: you need 3 cloves of garlic and a sacrificial goat |
| 17:26.21 | davidovich | if you have internet connection, you just have to download the netinstal iso |
| 17:26.24 | maher | deebu: yes |
| 17:26.35 | Flimzy | maher: I already tried that :( |
| 17:26.57 | Ronin | davidovich: deebu will be installing from a dialup connection so they need to get the cds now while theyre on a high speed connection |
| 17:27.07 | path_ | ?? gpg |
| 17:27.26 | maher | Flimzy: well at least you get to eat the goat now |
| 17:27.30 | deebu | Ronin: ur right buddy! |
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| 17:28.01 | deebu | Ronin: so i should download testing cds right? coz i want the new gui intsllaer:) |
| 17:28.33 | maher | Flimzy: i'm afraid I never used udev on sarge, so i can't help... |
| 17:28.51 | CharminTheMoose | grr bzip is taking so long... |
| 17:28.52 | Flimzy | There is no reference to devfs= in /boot/grub/menu.lst... And devfsd is not installed... what on earth is invoking devfs? |
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| 17:28.58 | zetetic | deebu: don't be afraid by the word "testing". Debian testing usually is more stable that onther distro stable versions... besides, debian "testing" is almost freezing... so the answer is yes, you should donwload debian testing (whicn at the moment has de name "etch") |
| 17:29.39 | deebu | zetetic: thanx...that really clears up things for me |
| 17:29.44 | lloeki | anyone installed etch-rc1 on a NSLU2 here? |
| 17:30.00 | clearscreen | just suffered from a powersurge in the house while I was updating from a very old kernel to etch with apt... just booted up the laptop and it throws me directly into grub setup menu. any thoughts on fixing this mess? |
| 17:30.32 | azeem | lloeki: do you have specific problems? |
| 17:31.29 | aidehua | Can I connect to a socket via ssh? |
| 17:31.49 | aidehua | (Yes: it's a mysql socket :) |
| 17:31.51 | lloeki | azeem: well, yes. |
| 17:32.12 | lloeki | it just turns my NSLU2 into a christmas tree |
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| 17:32.32 | azeem | lloeki: what documentation did you follow? |
| 17:32.41 | clearscreen | grub is properly installed on MBR but I think menu.lst is crapped up because it kicks me into grub menu each time I boot the laptop.. can I edit menu.lst through grub? |
| 17:33.05 | lloeki | that one: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
| 17:33.14 | azeem | clearscreen: you can edit the grub menu, but not write it to disk |
| 17:33.16 | azeem | I think |
| 17:33.24 | azeem | clearscreen: edit menu.lst once you booted |
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| 17:33.35 | zetetic | deebu: this people from debian are crazy people, if they work for microsoft they were not calling etch a "testing" version; instead tehy were calling it something like this: "debian etch professional edition, service pack 3" |
| 17:33.36 | clearscreen | that's the problem, it's not booting |
| 17:33.36 | lloeki | used upslug2 |
| 17:33.39 | maher | clearscreen: can you boot to an os? |
| 17:33.50 | azeem | lloeki: ok, you might get better help in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, if you ask good question and can describe your problem well enough |
| 17:34.00 | clearscreen | no, when I start up the laptop I immediately get kicked into that primitive grub 'terminal' |
| 17:34.10 | lloeki | ok, htanks ;) |
| 17:34.19 | azeem | clearscreen: then read the grub documentation on how to manually boot from there |
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| 17:35.38 | maher | clearscreen: can you boot to a live/rescue cd? |
| 17:36.20 | clearscreen | I do have a live ubuntu cd lying around here |
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| 17:37.21 | wise | Hey all - I may start idling in here! |
| 17:37.57 | maher | clearscreen: boot to that - chroot to your hd - try and fix stuff |
| 17:38.30 | SpooForBrains | Anyone know why I can't build a java package using build-jpkg? info to follow |
| 17:38.55 | r3set | hey, any ideas where to find package kwd? |
| 17:39.18 | r3set | kwd = kde window decorator (a package for beryl) |
| 17:39.26 | SpooForBrains | running Sarge, using fakeroot, downloaded the sdk from Sun ... where have I gone wrong? Error message is "No matching plugin was found" |
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| 17:41.21 | Jevus | hello |
| 17:41.21 | Jevus | i have a problem |
| 17:41.22 | Jevus | with my sound |
| 17:41.22 | Jevus | before i upgraded to sid |
| 17:41.22 | Jevus | i loss audio |
| 17:41.22 | Jevus | i have the alsa installed |
| 17:41.22 | Jevus | and module for IA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 A |
| 17:41.22 | Jevus | too |
| 17:41.22 | Jevus | please help me :( |
| 17:41.46 | epsilon | what's the command again, to execute the same command in loop and display the output in shell? |
| 17:41.50 | MindCr | Jevus, launch alsaconf |
| 17:42.04 | SpooForBrains | epsilon: watch |
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| 17:42.27 | epsilon | right, thx |
| 17:43.24 | tarzeau | where is Py_DECREF declared? |
| 17:43.37 | Jevus | i did it |
| 17:43.42 | Jevus | but doeant work |
| 17:43.46 | Jevus | and the mixer is correct |
| 17:43.53 | Jevus | i dont know what is happening |
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| 17:44.49 | Ronin | Jevus: type more hit enter less :) |
| 17:45.28 | Jevus | ok, resolve more, perturb less. |
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| 17:46.07 | deebu | both r4 & etch RC1 have gnome 2.14??? plz clarify |
| 17:46.13 | wise | jevus; Have you seen if you have a value in alsamixer |
| 17:46.16 | wise | set to 0? |
| 17:46.23 | Jevus | is in maxim |
| 17:46.29 | Jevus | 99 |
| 17:46.34 | Jevus | for master and acm |
| 17:46.35 | wise | No there are like 30 diff controls |
| 17:46.41 | wise | not just %s likee 1-100 |
| 17:46.43 | wise | some are ons and offs |
| 17:46.55 | Jevus | are the 2 principals in master |
| 17:46.56 | wise | Anyway, you're sure Alsa's your Sound Daemon? |
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| 17:47.07 | Jevus | how i check it? |
| 17:47.07 | maher | deebu: you can check on packages.debian.org |
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| 17:48.13 | r3m | any good site for linux tutorial |
| 17:48.24 | Jevus | how i will see if alsa is the sound daemon? |
| 17:48.55 | asg | r3m: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 17:49.17 | rahul | alsa is not a sound daemon |
| 17:49.22 | rahul | thankyouverymuch |
| 17:49.37 | clearscreen | maher I've booted the livecd, but I'm not quite sure what to do now.. do I have to mount my harddisk? |
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| 17:49.53 | Jevus | please help me ewith my sound problem |
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| 17:50.35 | rahul | Jevus: what did you choose as your sound driver? |
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| 17:50.54 | clearscreen | nvmd, mounted |
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| 17:51.51 | r3m | tldp.org is a good site? |
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| 17:52.08 | Ronin | r3m: indeed |
| 17:52.11 | epsilon | tutorial for what? |
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| 17:53.01 | CharminTheMoose | my kidneys are about to explode |
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| 17:53.23 | wise | CharminTheMoose; Way to go. |
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| 17:53.40 | CharminTheMoose | anyway |
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| 17:54.24 | rahul | you're not even a real camel |
| 17:54.30 | CharminTheMoose | i'm a moose |
| 17:54.36 | rahul | yeah right. |
| 17:54.41 | CharminTheMoose | look at my antlers! |
| 17:54.46 | Ronin | swamp donkey ;) |
| 17:54.49 | rahul | you're a camel with antlers |
| 17:54.54 | clearscreen | maher; there's no vmlinuz file to be found (does this mean it didnt finish installing the kernel?), does this mean I'll be looking at a reinstall? |
| 17:55.01 | plb_ | hrm is "update-manager" the thing ubuntu has? |
| 17:55.07 | rahul | !CharminTheMoose |
| 17:55.19 | CharminTheMoose | rahul what? |
| 17:55.21 | rahul | !CharminTheMoose is a camel with antlers. |
| 17:55.21 | dpkg | okay, rahul |
| 17:55.24 | rahul | :) |
| 17:55.28 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 17:55.50 | rahul | before wikipedia, there was dpkg. |
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| 17:56.25 | rahul | ~CharminTheMoose |
| 17:56.33 | dpkg | charminthemoose is, like, a camel with antlers. |
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| 17:56.45 | rahul | hrm, what happened to apt? |
| 17:56.51 | CharminTheMoose | what? |
| 17:56.55 | CharminTheMoose | what would apt say? |
| 17:57.06 | rahul | what would jesus do? |
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| 17:57.06 | asg | CharminTheMoose: apt is the older schizo version of dpkg |
| 17:57.17 | rahul | heh |
| 17:57.20 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 17:57.26 | rahul | apt was cool. |
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| 17:57.34 | rahul | getting apt and dpkg into botwars was fun |
| 17:57.38 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:jesus would make you see that i'm not a camel and that i'm really a moose |
| 17:57.41 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 17:58.01 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: good thing that both jesus and your mooseness are fictional ;) |
| 17:58.06 | ehc | i want to copy from my local computer to a computer i am ssh'ed into, can i do it with cp? |
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| 17:58.14 | adir1982 | ×”×™×™ |
| 17:58.17 | rahul | ehc: use scp |
| 17:58.20 | rahul | !!! |
| 17:58.21 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 17:58.49 | blondie | :O |
| 17:59.01 | CharminTheMoose | !rahul thinks that mooses are either camels in disguise or are entirely fictional |
| 17:59.01 | dpkg | CharminTheMoose: okay |
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| 17:59.07 | Jevus | no one knows how to fix it... great |
| 17:59.09 | rahul | I never said that |
| 17:59.11 | rahul | damn it. |
| 17:59.27 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: your mooseness is fictional |
| 17:59.30 | Ronin | Jevus: 1. learn patience, 2. running sid shouldnt you be able to fix it yourself? |
| 17:59.47 | CharminTheMoose | oh. my bad |
| 17:59.47 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: and you're not a camel in disguise, you're a camel with antlers |
| 17:59.52 | rahul | !rahul |
| 17:59.53 | dpkg | Rahul's ass site is at http://linux.rice.edu/~rahul/ You can find XF86Configs for XFree4 using DRI on voodoo3 as well as Xinerama there. rah0000 |
| 18:00.03 | rahul | !rahul thinks that mooses |
| 18:00.03 | dpkg | rahul thinks that mooses are either camels in disguise or are entirely fictional |
| 18:00.11 | rahul | haha |
| 18:00.22 | CharminTheMoose | aw |
| 18:00.25 | CharminTheMoose | i got pwned |
| 18:00.29 | Jevus | Ronin i have followed everithing in google find |
| 18:00.37 | Jevus | and nothing restaured my audio |
| 18:00.40 | rahul | Jevus: what driver did you load? |
| 18:01.16 | Jevus | the rd in question, vergils method works wonders on debian, however, I think the driver is buggy because on most distros this card has serious problems... |
| 18:01.17 | Jevus | __________________ |
| 18:01.23 | Jevus | sorry |
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| 18:01.34 | Jevus | i use |
| 18:01.39 | rahul | you use |
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| 18:01.44 | Jevus | the via 82xx |
| 18:01.44 | cahoot | Jevus, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 18:01.45 | adir1982 | hallo |
| 18:02.05 | rahul | Jevus: ugh. those chips have issues. |
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| 18:02.22 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: where did you come up with this theory that i'm a camel wearing antlers? |
| 18:02.31 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: your name is in camel case |
| 18:02.39 | rahul | only a camel would use camel case. |
| 18:02.50 | Jevus | snd_via82xx 26328 0 |
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| 18:05.25 | Jevus | rahul this is my lsmod http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/1243 |
| 18:05.32 | Jevus | check it please |
| 18:06.01 | madclicker | hi, which package i need to reconfigure to give me details when changes are being installed with a new package? |
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| 18:06.25 | brandon_rhodes | madclicker: what kind of changes? |
| 18:06.28 | gowlin | madclicker: apt-listchanges |
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| 18:07.45 | madclicker | brandon_rhodes, if one is isnstalling debian there is a section where the installer asks you "How much detail to display" Minimal Default Advanced ? |
| 18:09.05 | rahul | Jevus: holy shit |
| 18:09.07 | rahul | that's massive |
| 18:09.30 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
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| 18:10.26 | rahul | Jevus: well, it looks ok to me |
| 18:11.15 | lord_rob | Yesterday, apt-listbugs alerted me about a grave bug in a package that crashes kdeinit. I upgraded, now kdeinit crashes and I don't know the package name anymore ... Do anybody know the bug I'm talking of ? |
| 18:11.35 | abrotman | maybe ask #debian-kde ? |
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| 18:12.09 | brandon_rhodes | madclicker: gowlin drew your attention to "apt-listchanges", but I don't remember ever seeing the choice "Minimal/Default/Advanced" ... have you tried dpkg-reconfigur'ing that package yourself to see if the option you remember is there? |
| 18:12.15 | cahoot | Jevus, did you run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? |
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| 18:14.12 | lord_rob | Is it possible to know which packages I have upgraded yesterday ? |
| 18:14.14 | lando_ | im having a n issue mounting certain cd/dvds. it gives me a wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc... the same burnt cd im trying to mount works on my windows box but not mine. i've tried countless forums to no avail. anyone have a clue |
| 18:14.18 | brandon_rhodes | Should changing /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter set the rp_filter value of all other interfaces at the same time? My impression had been that this was the whole point of conf/all, but I'm not seeing the changes copied to my other ipv4 interfaces. The only mention of a similar problem I can find is from 2001: http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0103.0/0440.html ... am I misunderstanding something? |
| 18:14.32 | brandon_rhodes | lord_rob: /var/log/aptitude/* if you use aptitude... |
| 18:14.41 | Fleish | is it a bug in etch that /etc/network/interfaces doesn't put an auto statement in for the ethernet device setup during the install? |
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| 18:14.58 | lord_rob | brandon_rhodes: thanks, I do |
| 18:15.25 | abrotman | lord_rob: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:16.25 | brandon_rhodes | lord_rob: /var/log/aptitude states your intentions, /var/log/dpkg.log is the nitty-gritty of what steps were actually taken towards installtion/deinstallation/configuration/etc. |
| 18:17.37 | lord_rob | ok thanks abrotman and brandon_rhodes |
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| 18:18.03 | brandon_rhodes | lord_rob: np! hope you found what you were looking for |
| 18:18.28 | brandon_rhodes | Fleish: I installed an etch last week that didn't seem to have that problem, but the install image could have been updated since then, of course. |
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| 18:20.59 | maverick | when I browse my xmms to add songs or go to preferences, I see that the fonts are all missing... help please |
| 18:21.11 | brandon_rhodes | lando_: if you've tried several other forums this answer may just be a repeat, but I always try putting the disc in the drive and doing something like "dd if=/dev/cdrom0 of=/tmp/cdrom bs=1024 count=1024" to pull the first megabyte of data off the disk. (a) This verifies whether the disk is even readable in my drive. (b) I can then run "file /dev/cdrom" to ask the "file" command for its guess as to what filesystem is on the C |
| 18:21.11 | brandon_rhodes | D. |
| 18:21.45 | _overpointe_ | I just did a rm -r. Is there a way to recover stuff I didn't mean to delete? |
| 18:21.48 | brandon_rhodes | lando_: (where you should substitute the device of your own cdrom for "/dev/cdrom0" since your system might have a different name for it under "dev") |
| 18:21.52 | Fleish | brandon_rhodes: thanks - i'd never seen it before either - and figured it'd be a big enuf bug that people would be sccreaming about it |
| 18:22.12 | Fleish | maybe i did something screwy in the install or maybe it's a quirk of running debian on the new intel minis |
| 18:22.26 | lando_ | thanks brandon_rhodes ill try that out |
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| 18:22.57 | ehc | will tar uncompress .zip files? is there another program to do it? |
| 18:23.10 | brandon_rhodes | ehc: no. "unzip" will. |
| 18:23.11 | itchi | ehc: Look to 'unp' |
| 18:23.24 | ehc | okay thanks |
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| 18:24.02 | ehc | unzi[ |
| 18:24.21 | maverick | fonts on my new debian etch is also missing after an upgrade |
| 18:24.22 | brandon_rhodes | Fleish: I should note that I only know that the interface came up when I rebooted; I didn't actually look to see if an "auto" line was the way it arranged it :-) |
| 18:24.41 | itchi | maverick: These fixed fonts? |
| 18:24.47 | ehc | unzip and unp are not found as commands. |
| 18:24.55 | itchi | ehc: Install it ;-) |
| 18:24.58 | brandon_rhodes | ehc: I have to "aptitude install unzip" the first time I need it |
| 18:25.05 | brandon_rhodes | ehc: doesn't come by default |
| 18:25.15 | itchi | ehc: unp - unpack (almost) everything with one command |
| 18:25.16 | brandon_rhodes | ehc: because, after all, who uses zip files these days? :-) |
| 18:25.37 | ehc | oh, i don't have su on the remote server. but i can do it locally i guess. thanks |
| 18:25.38 | enouf | ehc: may need 'contrib non-free' appended to sources.list .. as newer .zip need the non-free version |
| 18:25.43 | ehc | wordpress themes do. |
| 18:25.57 | itchi | ehc: su = switch user |
| 18:26.18 | itchi | ehc: su foo, we switch to user foo |
| 18:26.19 | ehc | no i meant root priviliages to install packages |
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| 18:28.46 | blaamann | Could someone using Etch give me the output of 'dpkg -l | grep librsvg' ? |
| 18:28.46 | blaamann | Or just the version number you get. |
| 18:28.50 | brandon_rhodes | blaamann: 2.14.4-2? |
| 18:29.06 | blaamann | brandon_rhodes: Sound right |
| 18:29.09 | brandon_rhodes | But then I've not updated the machine for a few days |
| 18:29.33 | blaamann | brandon_rhodes: Aha, I might find that info online somewhere, right ? |
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| 18:30.13 | lando_ | brandon_rhodes it says input/output error. is that indicative of a cd not being readable |
| 18:30.24 | blaamann | Etch will be the next release ? |
| 18:30.28 | brandon_rhodes | blaamann: searching at packages.debian.org is a clunky but useful way to check |
| 18:30.39 | maverick | itchi: am sorry... I did not understand your suggesstion... |
| 18:30.52 | brandon_rhodes | lando_: if "dd" returned an i/o error, then it means your CD or DVD drive cannot read that particular disk, yes. |
| 18:30.56 | blaamann | brandon_rhodes: Thanks |
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| 18:31.09 | itchi | maverick: You have say that you have some fonts troubles, i ask you if it concern about the fixed fonts |
| 18:31.21 | brandon_rhodes | blaamann: you have to look a bit down the page to find the search field (one way the page is clunky :-) ) |
| 18:31.37 | blaamann | brandon_rhodes: It says "Debian Search disabled" |
| 18:31.52 | blaamann | OK, I will look further down |
| 18:32.04 | itchi | !fixed |
| 18:32.04 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 18:32.31 | itchi | maverick: Look to this ^ |
| 18:32.37 | brandon_rhodes | blaamann: umm. "Debian Search disabled"? |
| 18:32.43 | maverick | yup... I will check that.. |
| 18:32.50 | lando_ | if so why am i able to read it in my windows box. would you happen to know ? brandon_rhodes |
| 18:32.53 | brandon_rhodes | blaamann: it just worked for me... |
| 18:33.05 | azeem | brandon_rhodes: on packages.debian.org, not www.debian.org |
| 18:33.11 | blaamann | brandon_rhodes: Works now :-) |
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| 18:33.19 | madclicker | why is ibm systems are such a pieces of shit? |
| 18:33.32 | azeem | brandon_rhodes: eh, that was for blaamann |
| 18:33.46 | madclicker | i do a etch install all is good, but cant boot into it |
| 18:34.19 | Zbyshek | heeey... |
| 18:34.32 | brandon_rhodes | lando_: for one thing, CD and DVD burning is a messy business ... invented a few years after CDs first came out ... so depending on the quality of the media, quality of the writer, and quality of the reader, plus just whether the mfg'ers of the writer and reader agreed on how the standard should be implemented .... things can work or not. |
| 18:35.09 | brandon_rhodes | lando_: If you get really curious, you can try putting the drive in the windows box into your linux box for a few minutes and see if linux can read it then. |
| 18:35.42 | brandon_rhodes | lando_: I expect you'll find that a given drive can read particular disks regardless of which machine it's connected to. |
| 18:36.46 | xitro | wich driver schould i select for a radeon mobility 7500? |
| 18:36.50 | lando_ | brandon_rhodes, thanks for help ill see what i can do |
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| 18:37.33 | itchi | xitro: See /msg dpkg ati |
| 18:37.48 | xitro | ok tnx AGAIN :-) |
| 18:38.02 | itchi | xitro: Give me some beer :-p |
| 18:38.04 | xitro | opes |
| 18:38.09 | xitro | yea :D |
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| 18:38.20 | isai | hi |
| 18:38.36 | isai | Where can I find mysql.h in the packages? |
| 18:38.50 | itchi | isai: Look to /msg dpkg search |
| 18:38.56 | epsilon | apt-file search |
| 18:39.07 | itchi | epsilon: Learn him to fish ;-) |
| 18:39.09 | epsilon | but probably in mysql main package |
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| 18:39.49 | itchi | !fish |
| 18:39.49 | dpkg | fish is probably FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
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| 18:40.20 | itchi | epsilon: Not that i want to beat you, just to point it ;-) |
| 18:40.39 | enouf | I can sure go for some fried calamari right about now .. |
| 18:41.10 | itchi | enouf: Translate my name :-) |
| 18:41.15 | isai | I am fairly certain that mysql.h would be in libmysqlclientXX where XX is some number (there are many of them). What do they mean and which is the right one? |
| 18:41.19 | enouf | scratch! |
| 18:41.25 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:41.28 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, my real i mean :-p |
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| 18:41.44 | unseensoul | hi |
| 18:41.48 | enouf | salmon? |
| 18:42.00 | enouf | sushi? |
| 18:42.19 | itchi | enouf: http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/ |
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| 18:42.50 | itchi | brb, eat time |
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| 18:45.59 | abrotman | isai: in the -dev package |
| 18:46.12 | isai | What is the difference between libmysqlclient15-dev and libmysqlclient14-dev? Would it be fore mysql4.1 and mysql5? |
| 18:46.21 | abrotman | 15 is likely for 5 |
| 18:46.27 | abrotman | read the description from apt-cache show |
| 18:46.39 | abrotman | !info libmysqlclient15-dev etch |
| 18:46.48 | MatBoy | abrotman, do you use asterisk ? |
| 18:46.51 | dpkg | libmysqlclient15-dev: (mysql database development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.0.30-1 (etch), Packaged size: 6751 kB, Installed size: 19084 kB |
| 18:46.52 | abrotman | no |
| 18:46.54 | MatBoy | okl |
| 18:46.56 | MatBoy | -l |
| 18:47.00 | abrotman | i have a cell phone! |
| 18:47.05 | abrotman | MatBoy: but there is a #asterisk |
| 18:47.13 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn, even more fancy :) |
| 18:47.13 | abrotman | or something to that effect |
| 18:47.22 | clearscreen | ah; gotta love apt updating @ 1700kB/s |
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| 18:47.30 | MatBoy | yep I can ask it there of course... it's integrated into debian wasn;t it ? |
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| 18:48.22 | abrotman | no idea ... |
| 18:48.22 | unlink | Fetched 111kB in 60s (1823B/s) |
| 18:48.28 | unlink | ...maybe i need a new mirror |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | or faster than a 28.8 modem |
| 18:48.41 | isai | abrotman, yeah, apt-cache show says libmysqlclient15 conflicts with libmysqlclient14. I'll just use 14 (for mysql 4.1) |
| 18:48.44 | unlink | however, americans hate powerpc |
| 18:49.00 | isai | abrotman, thanks, I didn't know about the 'show' part of apt-cache |
| 18:49.05 | unlink | rofl, you were talking about the same thing :p |
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| 18:50.43 | capiira | hmm nice the lastest etchy & scratchy |
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| 18:51.13 | Esaj | does debian have a backup solution which only backs up files that have been changed (e.g. config files) compared with the standard debian packages? |
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| 18:51.16 | madclicker | how do i do a reconfigure on apt to be able to select sources? |
| 18:51.46 | capiira | such answers you will sure find on google |
| 18:52.02 | capiira | i would be surprised if not |
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| 18:54.12 | blondie | Esaj: rsync |
| 18:55.11 | Esaj | blondie: no I need something which ignores data provided by debian packages |
| 18:55.13 | raz0 | Esaj, Since config files and their respective applications are always kept in different folders, it shouldn't be that hard? |
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| 18:55.25 | Esaj | raz0: do all debian packages keep to that standard? |
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| 18:55.31 | raz0 | Yes. |
| 18:55.39 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 18:55.54 | Esaj | raz0: cool. so basically backing up /etc/ and /home/ (and maybe some others) is enough |
| 18:56.04 | raz0 | That should work, yea. |
| 18:56.18 | unlink | raz0: make one full backup with dump(8) and then make incremental backups from then on. |
| 18:56.35 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with debian unstable: switching from x to console and come back freeze the graphic card. (2.6.18-3-k7, mga + framebuffer) |
| 18:56.39 | zetetic | how can I clean printer heads on debian (I have a cano pixma ip4200) ? |
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| 18:57.06 | rahul | zetetic: shouldn't there be some buttons to press on the printer to do that? |
| 18:57.19 | rahul | zetetic: like hold menu down while powering on |
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| 18:58.23 | Flimzy | I have LVM root working just fine... But as soon as I try to mount a root lvm snapshot it doesn't work... how can I get the damn thing to load the snapshot kernel module on boot, too? |
| 18:58.29 | zetetic | rahul: the manual only explaisn how to do that with windows and Mac Software, and doesn'r refer to any printer buttons |
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| 18:58.53 | madclicker | brandon_rhodes, the blue screen comes up whenever a package is being installed on the upper right hand corner i get a title "Package configuration" |
| 18:59.03 | rahul | zetetic: you know, besides HCI, printing is the one field in computing that has regressed |
| 18:59.24 | rahul | then again, OOP has kinda regressed. |
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| 19:00.48 | zetetic | rahum: in Ubuntu it was easy for me to install printer drivers from canon web site, and those drivers allows me to perform maintenance on the printer. But those drivers don't work on debian... besides gnome-cups-manager is broken, on debian... So I don't know how to solve this issue |
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| 19:01.42 | rgsteele | zetetic: I send all my stuff to Samba, which in turn uses CUPS as the printing manager. |
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| 19:02.25 | rgsteele | zetetic: I just direct my web browser to localhost:631 |
| 19:02.37 | zetetic | rgsteeele: I don'y have samba installed, because my computer is not on a local network |
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| 19:03.15 | brandon_rhodes | madclicker: hmm. I know you can "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and re-choose whether you want to see Basic, Medium, or Advanced options... |
| 19:03.20 | blondie | Esaj: specify what to backup/exclude then. |
| 19:03.21 | brandon_rhodes | madclicker: is that what you're thinking of? |
| 19:04.18 | ma3x | /etc/cron.daily/aptitude: |
| 19:04.18 | ma3x | cp: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 19:04.18 | ma3x | /etc/cron.daily/standard: |
| 19:04.18 | ma3x | cp: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
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| 19:04.21 | zetetic | rgsteeele: I have tried ditecting my browser to localhost:631, but when I try to perform maitenance taks it asks for a password, and it doesn't recognize any passwords, no matter what passaword I enter. can you please through some light on this error? |
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| 19:04.29 | ma3x | what's this warning? |
| 19:04.32 | karsten | zetetic: root password. |
| 19:04.36 | ma3x | what's that bug about? |
| 19:04.55 | itchi | enouf: Got some fun? |
| 19:05.12 | abrotman | ma3x: how many times have we told you about pasting ? |
| 19:05.25 | zetetic | karsten: thanks, I will enter root password and see if it works |
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| 19:05.45 | karsten | abrotman: apparently not enough. |
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| 19:09.00 | enouf | itchi: so where's the rest of the baywatch cast :-P |
| 19:09.02 | madclicker | brandon_rhodes, thats it, thank you |
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| 19:09.52 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: see, your camel peers reset you for pretending to be a moose |
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| 19:10.20 | itchi | enouf: haha |
| 19:10.28 | CharminTheMoose | I was testing out a windowmanager |
| 19:10.38 | CharminTheMoose | so bah |
| 19:10.39 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 19:10.40 | enouf | tests out the local moose |
| 19:10.40 | brandon_rhodes | madclicker: woohoo! |
| 19:10.49 | rahul | camels don't have windows. only moose do. |
| 19:11.06 | karsten | rahul: There's a cow with a window at UC Davis. |
| 19:11.19 | CharminTheMoose | hmm |
| 19:11.20 | rahul | there's a dogcow on apple campus |
| 19:11.21 | CharminTheMoose | rahul |
| 19:11.30 | lepton | there's one at the U of I, Champaign, too |
| 19:11.31 | CharminTheMoose | it reminds me of a middle eastern name |
| 19:11.38 | rahul | middle eastern? really? |
| 19:11.41 | karsten | rahul: moof! |
| 19:11.53 | CharminTheMoose | so therefore by all illogical standards you are middle eastern |
| 19:11.56 | rahul | karsten: :) |
| 19:12.07 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: what middle eastern name? |
| 19:12.13 | CharminTheMoose | rahul |
| 19:12.20 | CharminTheMoose | seems middle eastern ish |
| 19:12.38 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: not really. |
| 19:12.43 | CharminTheMoose | to me it does |
| 19:12.47 | cahoot | estonian? |
| 19:12.54 | rahul | cahoot: haha whaa? |
| 19:12.54 | CharminTheMoose | so therefore it's true |
| 19:13.05 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: camel case is camel case to every one |
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| 19:13.22 | elshaa | hi |
| 19:13.30 | CharminTheMoose | but i'm still not a camel even if i use camel case |
| 19:13.47 | rahul | sure you are. it's your inner nature coming through |
| 19:13.58 | clearscreen | just did apt-get install xserver-xorg, startx whines about not being able to open default font 'fixed' /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts is empty.. where did they go? |
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| 19:14.05 | charmin_the_moos | heh |
| 19:14.10 | ma3x | anyone will explain me about this cron bug? |
| 19:14.24 | karsten | !tell ma3x about BTS |
| 19:14.24 | rahul | moos? heh |
| 19:14.31 | rahul | now you're trying to be a cow! |
| 19:14.34 | ma3x | karsten: scroll up and see what i pasted |
| 19:14.45 | karsten | ma3x: How many times? |
| 19:14.56 | ma3x | twice |
| 19:15.10 | CharminTheMoose | you can't see me rahul! |
| 19:15.11 | karsten | !tell ma3x about paster |
| 19:15.18 | karsten | ma3x: Post that to a proper pastebin site. |
| 19:15.24 | ma3x | alright alright |
| 19:15.29 | ma3x | but tell me about the bug now |
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| 19:15.36 | karsten | ma3x: Something's broken. |
| 19:15.48 | xingu | alternatively, seeing as how you're using unstable, you could check the bts |
| 19:15.51 | karsten | ma3x: Now paste some fucking useful output to the right damned place. |
| 19:15.59 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: to hide a camel, the rock would have to be larger than that |
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| 19:16.35 | CharminTheMoose | rahul,BUT,i'm a moose so therefore i'm hidden!ha! |
| 19:16.45 | xingu | rahul: unless it was a transparent camel |
| 19:16.54 | karsten | ma3x: Might include your path and environment in whatever script that's running, as well as the actual cronfile directive, and/or cron script being run. |
| 19:17.04 | Mooi | hello, is it possible to list all the packages that have been installed in descending order of their size? |
| 19:17.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:17.15 | karsten | Mooi: Yes. |
| 19:17.18 | lepton | Mooi: it is with a perl script I wrote |
| 19:17.23 | rahul | haha |
| 19:17.27 | ma3x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4853 |
| 19:17.28 | CharminTheMoose | just because a moose uses camel case to indicate that his name is a noun not verb doesn't mean he's camel |
| 19:17.31 | ma3x | karsten: there you go |
| 19:17.37 | Mooi | how is it possible?:) |
| 19:17.48 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: it doesn't mean he's not a camel either |
| 19:17.56 | karsten | ma3x: First: I don't have time to sort this for you. |
| 19:18.05 | karsten | ma3x: 2nd: I can point you in a general direction. |
| 19:18.06 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 19:18.27 | ma3x | somebody who has time then? |
| 19:18.30 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: I'd always parsed it as charmin' th' emoos |
| 19:18.33 | Mooi | lepton: looking for it? thanks :) |
| 19:18.37 | ma3x | or what package is the bug in karsten ? |
| 19:18.48 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 19:18.49 | dpkg | [sort by size] perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-utils package) |
| 19:18.53 | CharminTheMoose | xingu:what the hell? |
| 19:18.55 | rahul | holy shit |
| 19:19.08 | Mooi | nice :) |
| 19:19.10 | CharminTheMoose | how random |
| 19:19.22 | karsten | ma3x: 3rd: Check your path, anything odd in /etc/ld.so.conf*, the source of the specific libraries mentioned in the error message, and/or whether or not you're using ACLs (probably configured through /etc/pam* or /etc/security*). |
| 19:19.28 | rahul | that's almost 1/10 as complex as an email-address verifier |
| 19:19.35 | karsten | ma3x: And have a nice day ;-) |
| 19:20.29 | ma3x | karsten: it's a bug, what's the package? |
| 19:20.34 | ma3x | I want to see the bug documented |
| 19:20.35 | karsten | ma3x: /etc/cron.daily/aptitude is a bog-standard script. |
| 19:20.51 | karsten | ma3x: *IF* it's a bug, I'd start with aptitude. You should check what I gave you above first. |
| 19:20.51 | Flimzy | Is there a way to specify which modules need to be loaded from an initrd before the root device can be loaded... with make-kpkg? |
| 19:20.57 | karsten | ma3x: And I've got work to do. Later. |
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| 19:21.53 | Mooi | abrotman: [19:21:40] <MeatROme> abrotman :) he's always helpful :) |
| 19:21.54 | CharminTheMoose | moo |
| 19:21.57 | Mooi | :D |
| 19:23.08 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:23.10 | abrotman | Mooi: who ? |
| 19:23.25 | Mooi | MeatROme |
| 19:23.25 | SerajewelKS | what's coming over me... the gtk+ redmond theme just looks so nice |
| 19:23.28 | abrotman | who ? |
| 19:23.32 | Mooi | MeatROme |
| 19:23.34 | abrotman | who ? |
| 19:23.38 | Mooi | MeatROme |
| 19:23.46 | Mooi | :) |
| 19:23.50 | abrotman | who ? |
| 19:24.15 | Mooi | just some guy who uses ubuntu and debian :D |
| 19:24.23 | abrotman | don't think i've seen him before |
| 19:24.30 | abrotman | !seen meatrome |
| 19:24.31 | dpkg | meatrome <n=flow@c210186.adsl.hansenet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 489d 17h 30m 40s ago, saying: 'subgv : yes ... too, but single install of X always eludes me'. |
| 19:24.37 | abrotman | oh .. who knew .... |
| 19:24.57 | Mooi | :) |
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| 19:25.11 | Mooi | ok, i see the disk size problem |
| 19:25.22 | Mooi | i had moved a dir many files to the root dir :D |
| 19:25.28 | abrotman | you installed KDE didn't you ? :) |
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| 19:26.13 | CharminTheMoose | my debian installation is approximatly 1.3GB large! |
| 19:26.23 | CharminTheMoose | put that into your pipe and schmoke it! |
| 19:26.29 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: you still can't hide behind it |
| 19:26.35 | Flimzy | CharminTheMoose: What's your point? |
| 19:27.05 | CharminTheMoose | Flimzy,i dunno really |
| 19:27.09 | CharminTheMoose | i'm being random again |
| 19:27.09 | Flimzy | ah |
| 19:27.11 | Flimzy | well then |
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| 19:27.12 | Flimzy | congrats! :) |
| 19:27.23 | rahul | he's being a camel again. |
| 19:27.32 | CharminTheMoose | lol.um,thanks Flimzy... |
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| 19:28.23 | Flimzy | My debian install is currently 477mb |
| 19:28.35 | xingu | abrotman: that shows uninstalled as well as installed packages btw |
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| 19:29.11 | CharminTheMoose | Flimzy:with X? |
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| 19:29.15 | Flimzy | No |
| 19:29.18 | Flimzy | this is for a server |
| 19:29.19 | Flimzy | don't need any X |
| 19:29.22 | Flimzy | I will have Xen on it, tho! |
| 19:29.24 | CharminTheMoose | ah right |
| 19:29.29 | CharminTheMoose | what is xen? |
| 19:29.33 | SerajewelKS | !tell Flimzy about enter |
| 19:29.36 | Flimzy | Virtualization |
| 19:29.45 | zetetic | karsten: I'm already on cups web interface. but I don't see where can I perform maintenance on printer... |
| 19:29.47 | Flimzy | Thank |
| 19:29.47 | Flimzy | you |
| 19:29.48 | Flimzy | SerajewelKS, |
| 19:29.57 | L4m3r | xen is tha freaky place in Half-life. |
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| 19:30.10 | Flimzy | Why didn't they bring Xen back to hl2? |
| 19:30.22 | ma3x | how can I mount .daa file? |
| 19:30.34 | ma3x | or can I convert it? |
| 19:30.46 | SerajewelKS | wtf is daa |
| 19:30.59 | L4m3r | good question. The setting of HL was much cooler than that of HL2 despite the difference in graphics, IMO |
| 19:31.01 | karsten | ma3x: 'file foo.daa' says what? |
| 19:31.15 | ma3x | data |
| 19:31.24 | Flimzy | L4m3r: I liked them both. I actually enjoyed playing HL1 more... but that could very well have been attributed to my age more than to the gameplay itself |
| 19:31.36 | |ryan| | weee |
| 19:31.37 | Flimzy | L4m3r: I was 18 when HL1 came out. |
| 19:31.40 | karsten | ma3x: RIIK |
| 19:31.43 | karsten | ma3x: FIIK, even. |
| 19:31.45 | L4m3r | I liked them both, too... I just liked HL1 better :P |
| 19:31.50 | SerajewelKS | please take the hl discussion elsewhere |
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| 19:32.14 | Flimzy | L4m3r: Oh, I like them both a lot, too... (on Linux, SerajewelKS) |
| 19:32.25 | Flimzy | On my Debian box, too |
| 19:32.28 | ma3x | karsten: I dont understand your abbrevations |
| 19:32.32 | zetetic | rgsteele: do you know how can I perform tasks such us cleaning printer heads on cups web interface? |
| 19:32.47 | karsten | ma3x: Understanding is a three-edged sword. |
| 19:32.49 | karsten | !fiik |
| 19:32.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, fiik is Fuck If I Know |
| 19:33.02 | L4m3r | Nice... |
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| 19:33.28 | bokey | karsten, hi =) |
| 19:33.30 | cahoot | missing a How To |
| 19:33.41 | rahul | karsten: it doesn't cut in a straight line easily? |
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| 19:34.05 | bokey | karsten, :0 |
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| 19:35.02 | karsten | ma3x: While we're at it: GIYF. |
| 19:35.30 | badcfe | hello. i wonder how i could install some package on a machine where i only have ssh and scp access. i suppose i should download a dpkg from somewhere, but how do i get the right version for stuff installed there? |
| 19:35.46 | rahul | karsten: but GIACEFAMIFF |
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| 19:36.11 | ma3x | karsten: )GIB} |
| 19:36.34 | vulture | badcfe: look into apt-zip |
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| 19:37.43 | badcfe | vulture: apparently apt-zip it not installed there. and the mchine where i can download stuff does not have the same debian as the remove ssh machine |
| 19:38.05 | badcfe | vulture: so how do i get the right version... |
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| 19:39.11 | karsten | badcfe: Running apt-get commands, or appropriate dpkg / apt-cache queries should tell you what you need to know |
| 19:39.35 | karsten | badcfe: I'd install apt-zip post haste if I were you. |
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| 19:40.32 | Flimzy | If I have multiple sources.list entries with different versions of the same pacakge, how can I a) list the available versions, and b) select which one to install? |
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| 19:40.48 | erchache | where i can download drivers for nic hp nc373i? |
| 19:41.28 | Gokee2 | badcfe, How did you get debian installed without apt-get? |
| 19:41.51 | badcfe | ok ill read those. but whats the general idea of theprocedure? i download some data from here (where i can do that) and then i upload them to that other machine where i run apt-zip? |
| 19:41.59 | badcfe | Gokee2: apt-get is there ofcourse. |
| 19:42.18 | Gokee2 | badcfe, Then whats the problem? |
| 19:42.46 | badcfe | karsten: if thats the idea, then i have a bootstrap problem: how do i install apt-zip on the remote ssh-access-only machine. it doesnt have ftp etcetera cause of fw |
| 19:43.24 | vulture | Gokee2: problem is he doesn't have web/ftp/etc access from the remote location, I assume - so can't just "apt-get install" |
| 19:43.40 | vulture | badcfe: You download the apt-zip package from a remote location & scp it up.. |
| 19:43.45 | Gokee2 | vulture, But he said he had ssh? |
| 19:43.51 | vulture | And whatever dependencies (which should be few) |
| 19:43.51 | badcfe | Gokee2: the problem is that i must install something remotely on a machine there where i have only ssh and scp access. that machine cant use apt-get cause of external fw araound it. |
| 19:43.53 | vulture | Gokee2: Right.. |
| 19:44.04 | vulture | he could setup a port forward |
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| 19:44.15 | vulture | tunnel it over ssh |
| 19:44.27 | Gokee2 | "badcfe..............i only have ssh and scp access....................." |
| 19:44.29 | karsten | badcfe: That is left as an exercise to the reader. |
| 19:44.46 | vulture | Gokee2: What's your point? |
| 19:45.08 | badcfe | so is there now way to just get the good dpkg, then upload it and do a dpkg -i ..? |
| 19:45.22 | vulture | badcfe: "the good dpkg"? |
| 19:45.39 | badcfe | i just need to enshure that the dpkg i upload there is the right one for its debian installation... |
| 19:45.39 | Gokee2 | Can`t he just wget what pakgs he needs and use dpkg to install them? |
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| 19:46.34 | badcfe | Gokee2: that sounds like a more practicall idea |
| 19:46.57 | badcfe | Gokee2: more practicall than having exercises about ssh-tunneling and apt-zip |
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| 19:47.39 | vulture | badcfe: What? what's dpkg got to do with it - you already have dpkg there.. or you don't have Debian. |
| 19:47.39 | badcfe | the remaining problem is to enshure i get the dpkg that is fit for the debian installation of that machine |
| 19:48.23 | Gokee2 | badcfe, Don`t you already have dpkg installed? If not... how did you get debian installed without it? |
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| 19:48.40 | badcfe | but of course i have dpkg there. |
| 19:48.44 | SerajewelKS | he's talking about the debs |
| 19:48.54 | Gokee2 | Ah I see |
| 19:48.55 | badcfe | my only concern is to upload the correct dpackage |
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| 19:48.58 | SerajewelKS | badcfe: a debian package is a deb. dpkg is a program. |
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| 19:49.16 | badcfe | i see. my fault. i called deb for dpkg in my text up there |
| 19:49.40 | badcfe | so, ill resay it to be even clearer.... |
| 19:49.47 | Gokee2 | badcfe, That should not be a problem, just get the right distro and right ark and you have it.... |
| 19:49.57 | badcfe | i just need to upload a deb that is suited to that machine. |
| 19:50.34 | badcfe | the question is 9since i dont have the same debian distro on my desktop machine here -- how do i download the correct deb ??? |
| 19:50.50 | vulture | badcfe: You use apt-zip. |
| 19:51.01 | badcfe | from where |
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| 19:51.12 | vulture | Go grab apt-zip off the appropriate repo (the one your disconnected box is configured to use, but can't access) |
| 19:51.17 | Gokee2 | badcfe, So... go to debian.org |
| 19:51.34 | vulture | copy that over scp to the disconnected box, then use it |
| 19:52.06 | badcfe | The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
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| 19:52.10 | Gokee2 | what does apt-zip do? |
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| 19:52.41 | badcfe | Gokee2: how do i find the deb for lewts say ntpdate. its for etch. i also need the one for sarge.. |
| 19:52.48 | Gokee2 | badcfe, debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 19:52.58 | rutski | So, I've just set up postifx on a test machine at home |
| 19:53.02 | rutski | I'm now connecting to it via "telnet debian 25" |
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| 19:53.06 | rutski | Then I do a "HELO mini.local" |
| 19:53.09 | rutski | and get the response "250 debian.my.domain" as expected |
| 19:53.12 | rutski | however, now the problems start |
| 19:53.14 | rutski | I send a "MAIL FROM: <patrick@mini.local>" and hit enter, but I get no response |
| 19:53.18 | Gokee2 | badcfe, Then view them or search them (bottem of page) |
| 19:53.18 | rutski | anything else I try to enter also gets no response |
| 19:53.21 | rutski | what's wrong? |
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| 19:53.34 | vulture | badcfe: Works For Me(tm): http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=apt-zip&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 19:53.52 | vulture | badcfe: Dammit boy. Get apt-zip, then it'll be much easier to install everything else. |
| 19:53.52 | badcfe | Gokee2: that seems to be the thing i needed |
| 19:54.00 | mz_work | is there anything fundamentally wrong with this? -> cdebootstrap --arch amd64 sid /media/amd64 http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ |
| 19:54.00 | Gokee2 | rutski, Ever heard of saying your problem in one line? |
| 19:54.07 | vulture | unless the actual package your looking for has very few deps.. |
| 19:54.10 | mz_work | seems to work but errors: http://paste.debian.net/18687 |
| 19:54.12 | Gokee2 | badcfe, Good :) |
| 19:54.24 | badcfe | ill read about apt-zip later. good to know about it. i already installed it on my desk machine here. |
| 19:54.44 | mz_work | doing the cdebootstrap from debian sid i386 if it matters at all |
| 19:54.59 | mcquaid | is anyone familar with bind? I'm using the gui bgindadmin, I'm trying to set up 3 primary zones, I'm a little confused what is the nameserver for? |
| 19:55.13 | mcquaid | and once i add one, I can't add another with the same ip. |
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| 19:58.34 | abrotman | ask #bind maybe .. and stay away from those GUI tools .. they eat braincells :) |
| 19:58.51 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: if you work for air canada, you learn the proper way to package moose meat and antlers for checked-in baggage |
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| 19:59.28 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
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| 19:59.34 | CharminTheMoose | rahul,i doubt you would |
| 19:59.46 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: no, it's in the training manuals |
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| 20:00.27 | _Brandon_ | is there an obex server for debian? |
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| 20:00.54 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:I didn't know that mooses could work for airlines |
| 20:01.12 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: you're a camel |
| 20:01.26 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: you don't even know the proper plural for moose |
| 20:01.32 | rahul | so obviously you're a camel |
| 20:01.38 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:Ok,then,can camels work for airlines? |
| 20:01.46 | CharminTheMoose | and mooses is the correct plural |
| 20:01.49 | baegle | I've been running etch for a while, about a month ago, I seem to have picked up a font-rendering issue where text won't render in FF or Opera unless I mouse over it or highlight it. I was told that it was possibly something that would be resolved in later updates, but it hasn't. Has anyone ever had a problem like this before or know how to solve it? |
| 20:02.10 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: if you want to use an improper plural, it's meeces. |
| 20:02.26 | CharminTheMoose | that makes no sense |
| 20:02.34 | rahul | exactly |
| 20:02.40 | rahul | that's why people use moose |
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| 20:03.45 | shut- | is cannon pixma ip1600 working |
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| 20:04.57 | Akuma_ | i get nothing after logging into my system - just a background color and the mouse pointer. what could the problem be? |
| 20:04.58 | SpooForBrains | Does anyone happen to know the apache directive to say that index.jsp is a valid index page? |
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| 20:05.56 | badcfe | Gokee2: that was easy. now my servers inside the ssh-only firewall does ntp syncronasation between eachother. i installed ntpdate for etch, sarge etcetera for them. it was easy 8-0 |
| 20:06.00 | badcfe | 8-) |
| 20:06.13 | Gokee2 | heh good :) |
| 20:06.14 | Akuma_ | SpooForBrains: DirectoryIndex i think |
| 20:06.14 | Hyperzid | svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request <-- anyone know why that pops up in dmesg? |
| 20:06.41 | Akuma_ | SpooForBrains: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex |
| 20:06.56 | SpooForBrains | thanks |
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| 20:08.10 | roe_ | can someone give me a hand figuring out why sshd is not being included in a standard install of logwatch? |
| 20:08.31 | petemc | why should it be? |
| 20:08.54 | roe_ | because the conf files says it is |
| 20:09.11 | petemc | apt-get install ssh or openssh-server on etch |
| 20:10.42 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
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| 20:10.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do i downgrade a package?? |
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| 20:12.04 | roe_ | petemc: already installed |
| 20:12.23 | petemc | roe_: so whats the problem? |
| 20:12.45 | kernel-kris | anyone here |
| 20:12.49 | roe_ | logwatch is not parsing auth.log to display the sshd logs |
| 20:13.24 | Ronin | !/window 11 |
| 20:13.27 | Ronin | crap |
| 20:13.36 | Ronin | kernel-kris: no, no ones theres |
| 20:14.15 | itchi | bokey: Are you here? |
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| 20:15.08 | itchi | bokey: I think you need the libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 20:15.32 | iostream | Has anyone experiences problems with ncftp and the control connection timeing out? |
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| 20:16.11 | kernel-kris | iostream; yes...with mysql |
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| 20:17.02 | iostream | kernel-kris: Can you give more insight? |
| 20:18.08 | Akuma_ | what happens in the boot process after logging in? |
| 20:18.23 | kernel-kris | iostream....its been a long time, i believe it was a problem with the version i had |
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| 20:19.19 | iostream | kernel-kris: You version of ncftp? |
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| 20:20.13 | itchi | !tell earthian -about root |
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| 20:20.43 | mc__ | guys im using sid and i found a memory leak,how to submit that information? |
| 20:20.56 | Ronin | mc__: bts as usual |
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| 20:21.12 | earthian | :P |
| 20:21.22 | itchi | earthian: hehe |
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| 20:21.29 | earthian | ok so is it possible to make what i have mentioned above? |
| 20:21.37 | Ronin | earthian: most of us never saw it |
| 20:21.41 | mc__ | Ronin: please give me a bit more information i never did somethin like that before |
| 20:21.47 | Ronin | !bts |
| 20:21.47 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 20:21.55 | itchi | earthian: You have say it when you was root user? |
| 20:22.14 | earthian | yes |
| 20:22.16 | itchi | earthian: As root user, you can not send any message to here, normally |
| 20:22.18 | mc__ | Ronin: thank you |
| 20:22.22 | earthian | i am connected with ssh to that other p |
| 20:22.28 | earthian | other debian pc |
| 20:22.35 | earthian | oh |
| 20:22.41 | itchi | earthian: I mean that we have not see your message |
| 20:22.41 | earthian | damn |
| 20:22.48 | earthian | i see |
| 20:22.49 | earthian | ok |
| 20:22.55 | earthian | hello then :) |
| 20:22.59 | earthian | < |
| 20:23.03 | itchi | earthian: hello :-p |
| 20:23.06 | CharminTheMoose | how do i unpack a .Z file? |
| 20:23.26 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: .z7 or just Z ? |
| 20:23.51 | CharminTheMoose | just Z |
| 20:24.10 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: hhmm, dunno about that format, 'unp' is useful, hope it do it |
| 20:24.34 | earthian | i have this setup: two PCs one is debian another is windows. debian has graphics broken but 500% better sound system connected. the windows PC has a working graphics device and pretty bad sound system.. is it possible to make a video file being shown on that windows pc while playing the video sound on the debian pc ? |
| 20:24.36 | CharminTheMoose | MOOSE POWER! |
| 20:24.59 | itchi | (a call) |
| 20:25.29 | earthian | so is it possible? |
| 20:25.41 | earthian | i have ssh and console acccess to that debian pc |
| 20:25.54 | itchi | earthian: You should need to try to debug the problem, maybe just the wrong driver or not optimale one |
| 20:27.00 | earthian | dunno... i dont have time to do all debug stuff... will reinstall it later. now i just want to go watch a movie for a hour or so... if what i have told here is impossible to make in a sane time frame then say so :) |
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| 20:28.59 | crn | CharminTheMoose, gzip -d should work |
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| 20:30.34 | routine | can i learn files size that will be uploaded before upgrade my system? |
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| 20:30.55 | routine | downloaded :) |
| 20:31.09 | asg | routine: apt-get -u should tell you how much will be downloaded and the resultant unpacked size |
| 20:31.24 | routine | thanks :) |
| 20:31.35 | itchi | okay, back |
| 20:31.46 | itchi | earthian: Which driver use you? |
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| 20:32.29 | earthian | itchi: driver of what? debian has latest ati gfx driver and alsa |
| 20:33.16 | itchi | earthian: yup that of the gfx card, like the vga and vesa are a bit poor, but works on almost all cards |
| 20:33.33 | earthian | itchi nothing works for me.. |
| 20:33.40 | earthian | some libs i think are broken too |
| 20:33.46 | earthian | reinstall is the only solution :S |
| 20:34.03 | earthian | will move to i386 from amd64 :( |
| 20:34.25 | earthian | coz seems that Xorg has some nasty bug on x86_64 |
| 20:34.40 | earthian | that bug like freezes the PC when closing the X server |
| 20:34.56 | LLcoolM | earthian: so did i, because several things like acroread and flash wont work (and many other closed binaries) |
| 20:34.59 | earthian | dunno if that Xorg or driver problem tho... could be driver |
| 20:35.11 | itchi | earthian: Wait, you have an 64 bit? |
| 20:35.17 | earthian | yup |
| 20:35.18 | earthian | :/ |
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| 20:35.24 | itchi | earthian: hhhmm |
| 20:35.33 | earthian | i have dual opteron workstation |
| 20:35.45 | earthian | sadly that ati is so poor on linux |
| 20:35.48 | |capiira | hmm hi its possible to upgrade from testing to stable ? |
| 20:36.06 | asg | |capiira: that's a downgrade |
| 20:36.07 | LLcoolM | yepp, nvidia is much better |
| 20:36.19 | |capiira | ohh ok :) |
| 20:36.29 | earthian | |capiira: i believe that it is not upgrade from testing to stable but downgrade |
| 20:37.16 | asg | |capiira: it is possible sometimes but not for the faint of heart. Better to backup your volatile data and reinstall stable. |
| 20:37.18 | earthian | well.. ok. will leave now. thanks for your help all. |
| 20:37.37 | |capiira | ahh ok thx |
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| 20:38.57 | |capiira | and whats a good (maybe most used) inofficial apt source for debian? i would like to update a few packages |
| 20:39.23 | fflush | we wont help you shoot yourself on the foot |
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| 20:39.29 | |capiira | :) |
| 20:39.31 | fflush | |capiira: you have to do it on your own |
| 20:39.38 | fflush | lol |
| 20:39.44 | |capiira | just a hint! |
| 20:39.47 | resistance | i would dowload ia64 for a 64 bit processor, right? |
| 20:40.00 | |capiira | i wont sue you ;) |
| 20:40.02 | Mr-R | |capiira look for backports (.org) :) |
| 20:40.05 | Mr-R | argh |
| 20:40.10 | |capiira | thanks :) |
| 20:40.19 | rahul | resistance: if it's an ia64 one |
| 20:40.25 | fflush | aff |
| 20:40.28 | |capiira | heh |
| 20:40.38 | rahul | resistance: it could be an alpha, an x86, a sparc, a mips... |
| 20:40.42 | |capiira | ;) |
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| 20:41.26 | Akuma_ | i'm completely locked out of my system and dont have the technical knowledge to fix it. could anyone point my in the right direction? gnome decided not to load anymore. last thing i did was compile a .deb package |
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| 20:42.05 | asg | Akuma_: boot into single user mode ; fix gnome |
| 20:42.28 | Akuma_ | asg: i wouldnt know where to begin to fix gnome |
| 20:42.47 | resistance | rahul: it's amd socket 939 64 bit |
| 20:42.51 | Akuma_ | asg: any idea how debuild could have messed up the system to that point? |
| 20:42.57 | rahul | resistance: x86_64, then |
| 20:43.01 | braindead_moron | I installed the emporer linux kernel (a .deb) and it works great, but it depends on a "empconfig" package which I don't want or need. Now apt complains about the "dependency" and I can't install anything. Anyone know of a way to tell APT to ignore this dependency forever? |
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| 20:43.22 | resistance | ok where would i need the ia64? |
| 20:43.25 | asg | Akuma_: well, probably not by compiling a deb. Installing a broken deb could have caused it. Probably better to pastebin the error you get from gnome when it doesn't start. |
| 20:43.43 | resistance | rahul: i386? |
| 20:43.51 | rahul | resistance: no, x86_64 |
| 20:43.59 | resistance | nothing here like that |
| 20:44.40 | Akuma_ | asg: that'd be hard. since the system wont boot i can pastebin anything from it. i could transcribe the relevent parts though |
| 20:44.59 | resistance | rahul: i'm on debian.org/cd/netinst and i can't find a link like that |
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| 20:45.15 | Akuma_ | asg: where can i find the gnome log file? |
| 20:45.38 | crn | braindead_moron, try apt-get -m .... ; check man apt-get |
| 20:46.15 | asg | Akuma_: dunno, never used gnome. Maybe #debian-gnome on OFTC can better help debug it if nobody here knows. |
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| 20:47.06 | braindead_moron | crn: Yeah, I read the man page... --ignore-missing didn't do much for me though |
| 20:47.15 | Akuma_ | asg: if i uninstalled the deb, that wouldnt make a difference, would it? |
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| 20:47.37 | crn | braindead_moron, ok |
| 20:47.45 | asg | Akuma_: it might but I would think that installing it would have either overwritten some key things or removed some key packages. |
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| 20:48.16 | braindead_moron | crn: someone in #ubuntu suggested building a dummy package with equivs to fool APT, but it seems like APT would have to have an override mechanism? |
| 20:48.20 | Akuma_ | asg: ouch. im really in deep shit then |
| 20:48.36 | braindead_moron | besides, I can't apt-get install equivs without hosing my kernel :-) |
| 20:49.17 | braindead_moron | I wonder how hard it would be to modify the .deb so it didn't have the dependency? |
| 20:49.31 | asg | Akuma_: maybe, maybe not. Better to consult the more knowledgable gnomes |
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| 20:50.02 | Akuma_ | asg: yeah. i'll keep trying in the other channels. thanks |
| 20:50.07 | braindead_moron | Aduma_: I don't think gnome has a log file |
| 20:50.25 | |capiira | hmm what happens to testing when stable gets released? |
| 20:50.28 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, Though I wish it did |
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| 20:50.40 | asg | Akuma_: if it's an underlying X problem, try /var/log/X* and look for EE errors near the bottom of the file. |
| 20:51.01 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, Often the VT that X was launched from will scroll the log also |
| 20:51.30 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, Another good resource might be #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
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| 20:52.53 | braindead_moron | Ok, new question, I have a .deb, how hard is it to repackage the .deb exactly as it is with a single dependency removed? |
| 20:54.14 | Akuma_ | asg: the only EE error i see is 'AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable', which i suspect is irrelevant |
| 20:54.26 | |capiira | hmm is that right, "testing" is a never ending story? |
| 20:54.42 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, Is your problem 3D related? |
| 20:55.18 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: i'm not using compiz or beryl or anything like that |
| 20:56.00 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, GLX/DRI are 3D acceleration related, the message indicated you probably don't have 3D acceleration... |
| 20:56.21 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, What exactly is the problem? |
| 20:56.33 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, Other then you don't know where the log file is? |
| 20:56.49 | Mr-R | Akuma_: what kind of package did you compile in the first place? |
| 20:58.09 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: i get the login screen, and then nothing. only a colored background and the mouse pointer |
| 20:58.42 | behrad | |capiira, testing first freez too release when it ready too release new testing is starting |
| 20:58.59 | braindead_moron | What type of "colored background"? Is it just a hash pattern in black/white? |
| 20:59.17 | behrad | |capiira, testing first freez too release, when it ready too release, new testing is starting |
| 20:59.52 | Akuma_ | Mr-R: i needed the latest version of svn, which wasnt available - the svn deb package maintainer was in #svn and walked me through compiling the package. so since i was the guinea pig it might have screwed up something |
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| 21:00.28 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: no. i think its the color that i set as background color |
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| 21:00.47 | Mr-R | Akuma_: ok. look for .xsession-errors in your home-directory |
| 21:00.52 | |capiira | yeah but does that mean that if i install testing now i will be able to update endless? |
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| 21:02.10 | |capiira | i mean does the actually version of testing end someday and a complete new testing starts? |
| 21:02.24 | Akuma_ | Mr-R: there's no explicite errors in it. what data do you need? |
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| 21:02.59 | Mr-R | Akuma_: uhm. the "relevant" lines that your gnome-session is not starting... :) |
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| 21:03.41 | Akuma_ | there's only 4 lines. i can transcribe them.. |
| 21:03.46 | Karamon | Hello, how can I find out where my cron task is logging to? :) |
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| 21:04.32 | |capiira | or will i end someday on debian testing 9.0 if i continue updating the etch testing packages |
| 21:04.47 | TolstoyInLove | |capiira, when new debian was released , new testing started and not the same |
| 21:05.03 | |capiira | ahh ok |
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| 21:06.17 | |capiira | would be cool to have a such distro :) i was thinking testing is one |
| 21:06.30 | braindead_moron | Akuma: Try moving your .gnome to .gnome.bak then restarting X (ctrl+alt+backspace) |
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| 21:06.59 | Karamon | Does the cron task by default log to the syslog? |
| 21:07.02 | MatBoy | damn, whata new, but failing drive, can do in raidperformance... |
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| 21:07.17 | braindead_moron | Akuma: I'd probably move .gnome2 just to be safe |
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| 21:07.56 | Akuma_ | http://pastie.caboo.se/28625 |
| 21:08.50 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: mooving or copying? |
| 21:08.54 | braindead_moron | move |
| 21:08.55 | daveb | when I step away from my cmputer and come back after awhile often the load is extremely high. as soon as I move the mouse or someting whatever process was killing the cpu stops, so I can't find it. is there someting that will keep track of the top CPU using apps and log it? |
| 21:09.02 | Karamon | Does cron have its own log? |
| 21:09.06 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, mv .gnome .gnome.bak |
| 21:09.12 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, mv .gnome2 .gnome2.bak |
| 21:09.27 | braindead_moron | then start gnome up (sans-config) it will create new config files |
| 21:09.36 | TolstoyInLove | |capiira, last release only update in securty problems and code problems but testing updated with new version of package |
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| 21:11.16 | |capiira | ahh ok thx and how long usually debian updates testing packages of one release? |
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| 21:13.41 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: ok so i mv'd them, switched to tty7, killed x (gives me the login prompt), switched back to tty1 and .. sans-config doesnt exist |
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| 21:15.01 | braindead_moron | sans-config? |
| 21:15.08 | peteweez | Is there any way to manually mark a whole range of blocks on a hard drive (say 2 Gigs into the disk all the way to the end) as bad? Also, is there a way to wipe the bad blocks table when I'm done with it? |
| 21:15.25 | braindead_moron | You killed X, then it gave you the login screen, you logged in then what happend? |
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| 21:15.40 | braindead_moron | (sans-config just means without configuration, sorry :-) |
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| 21:17.05 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: sorry =) i relogged in and then the same happened |
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| 21:17.56 | Akuma_ | i have to do something that cant wait in here. i'll be back in about 10 minutes. this issue is driving me nuts. i really need my system up. |
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| 21:18.06 | Akuma_ | thanks btw guys |
| 21:18.08 | Akuma_ | brb |
| 21:18.15 | fasta | Ironically a Windows machine created documented did not print correctly on a Windows machine connected to a primarily Windows printer. |
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| 21:18.27 | braindead_moron | Akuma_: That is really strange... If you moved both .gnome and .gnome2 out of the way the it would have re-created a default config on the next run... |
| 21:18.31 | fasta | The Debian machine had no problems :) |
| 21:18.31 | steven_ | hi , what partition should i take to make a STORAGE disk ? |
| 21:18.50 | fasta | s/documented/document |
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| 21:19.00 | braindead_moron | fasta: Wanna here Ironic, my office has a $10k Minolta printer that runs linux... But there is no Linux print driver support |
| 21:19.50 | braindead_moron | fasta: So I print with the PCL5c, and after each document I send the printer hangs and requires a soft reset to print anymore |
| 21:20.24 | braindead_moron | But I can print... Sorta |
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| 21:21.46 | dondelelcaro | braindead_moron: the minolta doesn't print PS? |
| 21:22.26 | plasmid | I have an nvidia card... what's the fastest way to enable 3d rendering? I downloaded the linux driver off nvidia site but it tells me it's incompatible with the 2.4.3.3 kernel? |
| 21:22.37 | braindead_moron | dondelcaro: No, that was an extra $ option that the bean-counters didn't approve of |
| 21:23.06 | fasta | plasmid: you could download the legacy driver |
| 21:23.17 | fasta | plasmid: I am not sure whether that will work, though. |
| 21:23.46 | plasmid | fasta, *sigh* what can Debian make it a tad easier to install a well known video card... |
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| 21:25.10 | mz_work | well i have not used a 2.4 kernel in a long long time :/ |
| 21:25.16 | fasta | plasmid: I don't think Debian can make it any easier. |
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| 21:25.45 | plasmid | that's what this system came with.. I just ditched windows. So i downloaded the stable iso.. there is no testing iso. |
| 21:25.45 | Goyim | fasta, they could provide "video card elves" to do it for you. |
| 21:25.55 | Goyim | it IS christmas after all |
| 21:26.12 | dondelelcaro | plasmid: you can quite easily download the testing netinst disc and install etch. |
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| 21:26.44 | plasmid | dondelelcaro, can I upgrade this current installation to "Testing" with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:26.52 | dondelelcaro | plasmid: sure. |
| 21:27.10 | Karamon | Does cron have its own log? |
| 21:27.13 | plasmid | dondelelcaro, err.. apt-get --upgrade? |
| 21:27.20 | dondelelcaro | plasmid: no. |
| 21:27.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell plasmid -about sarge->etch |
| 21:27.36 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: depends on how you've set up logging. |
| 21:27.45 | Karamon | dondelelcaro: How can I check? |
| 21:27.51 | Karamon | dondelelcaro: It should be default |
| 21:27.55 | plasmid | dondelelcaro, oh thank u. I am doing it now. |
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| 21:31.00 | Caelum | what gid should group "nobody" be? |
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| 21:32.12 | peteweez | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.51 | Bracki | hm myAlt key seems to be Altgr. what can i do to change that? |
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| 21:33.08 | Moosejaw | hi all... |
| 21:33.18 | Moosejaw | is there a way to undo deborphan? |
| 21:33.25 | Bracki | i tried dpkgreconf console-data but to no avail |
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| 21:33.36 | Moosejaw | it seems to have deleted a /usr/share/app-install/icons dir |
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| 21:34.52 | jatt | peteweez: with mke2fs you can give a list of bad blocks (-l flag), maybe that would do? |
| 21:35.23 | Bracki | what shows me the real keycodes? |
| 21:35.36 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: it'll log what it's doing to syslog, generally /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/auto.log; |
| 21:35.48 | dondelelcaro | Karamon: but that just tells you that it's running. Error output is mailed. |
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| 21:37.02 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: back. so, it recreates gnome2 but not gnome |
| 21:37.16 | dondelelcaro | s/auto/auth/ |
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| 21:39.08 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, But the session is empty? |
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| 21:39.22 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, I mean, no desktop, no taskbar, etc |
| 21:39.42 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: right |
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| 21:40.25 | braindead_moron | Akuma kill gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) then type "startx" from a VT and see what that does |
| 21:40.43 | peteweez | jatt: yeah...but I need to know the format of the badblocks list |
| 21:41.05 | peteweez | jatt: I need to make a custom list (the blocks aren't really bad, I just want to write protect them) |
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| 21:42.29 | johnd0e | hi |
| 21:42.37 | Bracki | alt+tab works normally.alt+1 gives ± |
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| 21:44.31 | piper69 | happy holidays all |
| 21:44.35 | moshii | work takes the holiday out of holiday season :( |
| 21:45.52 | jatt | peteweez: I am not sure how to achieve this either. But is this the right thing to do to write-protect blocks? What's wrong with file permissions? |
| 21:46.35 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: well, i'm getting basically the same, except not the cursor is an X and the background is brown with black dots |
| 21:46.38 | johnd0e | where can I find the mysql benchmark scripts for mysql 4.0.24 (mysql-server, debian stable)? |
| 21:46.41 | Akuma_ | *now |
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| 21:48.15 | peteweez | jatt: I'm trying to force it not to write to a certain section of free space |
| 21:48.21 | ndowens | moshii: i agree |
| 21:48.32 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: i'm getting 7 EE errors back on tty1 |
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| 21:48.37 | wwallace_lap | hello |
| 21:49.02 | moshii | ndowens: I get christmas and boxing day off, sucking |
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| 21:50.08 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: the first is the same "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable", they others are all "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom" |
| 21:50.41 | moshii | I would have thought satan could configure x.. |
| 21:51.12 | peteweez | Is there any way to write-protect a certain section of free space in an ext2/ext3 filesystem (maybe by mapping it as bad blocks?) |
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| 21:51.24 | Akuma_ | moshii: =) |
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| 21:51.40 | moshii | peteweez: an exact block? or just a percentage of space |
| 21:51.55 | Bracki | i think my kb problem is connected to X. |
| 21:51.57 | moshii | Akuma_: got yourself a nihongo jiten ne |
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| 21:52.01 | peteweez | moshii: say from 2gigs into the drive to the end, for example |
| 21:52.05 | Bracki | but the XF86Config looks good |
| 21:52.27 | Akuma_ | moshii: whats jiten? |
| 21:52.27 | moshii | peteweez: um, best to do that on the partition level no? |
| 21:52.36 | moshii | Akuma_: dictionary |
| 21:52.55 | peteweez | moshii: It's truecrypt with a steganographic filesystem, so no |
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| 21:53.14 | peteweez | moshii: It has to be done on the filesystem level |
| 21:53.21 | coz_ | evening all What is the most recent version of debian and where can id ownload it |
| 21:53.29 | Akuma_ | linux is making me insane! |
| 21:53.33 | peteweez | coz_: stable, testing, or unstable |
| 21:53.35 | peteweez | ? |
| 21:53.44 | coz_ | petemc, well which would you sugest? |
| 21:53.50 | moshii | peteweez: I think you can reserve an amount of space, but I don't know if you can specify where it should be |
| 21:53.50 | Akuma_ | its such a great system, but its still not made for newbs like me |
| 21:54.08 | itchi | coz_: You need to read about the debian releases |
| 21:54.08 | peteweez | coz_: peteweez, not petemc :) how experienced are you? |
| 21:54.11 | nokrev | I tried KDE, didn't like it, and now I've got tons of kde packages installed, even after I uninstall KDE, and many other kde packages. How can I get rid of just the packages that kde installed? |
| 21:54.17 | moshii | Akuma_: linux really has nothing to do with it... |
| 21:54.25 | coz_ | pet well i want to reliev mysel fo ubuntu so there it is |
| 21:54.33 | braindead_moron | Akuma: I have no idea what you did to hose gnome, but it certainly sounds like X is working |
| 21:54.34 | moshii | Akuma_: linux makes up about 9% of your os ;) |
| 21:54.39 | h3sp4wn | nokrev: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 21:54.39 | Akuma_ | moshii: GNU/Linux then |
| 21:54.40 | itchi | coz_: Debian have strick policies, so i recommend you Sarge (stable) |
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| 21:55.10 | moshii | nokrev: aptitude and hit - on the kde section hehe |
| 21:55.10 | peteweez | coz_: OK so you have experience with Linux. Do you need newer stuff, or is ancient packages OK with you? I.e. enterprise or regular home user stability? |
| 21:55.11 | coz_ | itchi, ok I am not afraid of working with things at all but if that is waht you susggest |
| 21:55.31 | h3sp4wn | coz_: I would say go for etch as it is frozen (will become stable relatively shortly) |
| 21:55.31 | coz_ | petemc, I prefer some cutting edg stuff |
| 21:55.32 | nokrev | thanks you two, I'll try it |
| 21:55.40 | peteweez | coz_ testing then |
| 21:55.43 | peteweez | coz_: get etch |
| 21:55.49 | peteweez | coz_: debian.org |
| 21:56.05 | coz_ | petemc, ok great found a problem with ubuntu and the wayv gesture recognition |
| 21:56.16 | coz_ | apparently ubuntu devs have done something to the user account |
| 21:56.18 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: so earlier you refered me to.. OFCT #debian-gnome and what was the other one? |
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| 21:56.24 | Thunder | wow |
| 21:56.35 | coz_ | anyway thanks guys i will do that what is the best place to download etch? |
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| 21:56.38 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
| 21:56.40 | moshii | Thunder: yeah it's that good! |
| 21:56.40 | pupy | hello |
| 21:56.45 | braindead_moron | That is where the gnome devs hang out |
| 21:56.54 | peteweez | coz_: debian.org, use bittorrent please |
| 21:56.55 | moshii | coz_: bittorrent |
| 21:56.55 | Thunder | lol moshii |
| 21:56.59 | peteweez | coz_: OR jigdo |
| 21:57.05 | coz_ | petemc, why bittorent/ |
| 21:57.09 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: i'll take a look there then. thanks for your help |
| 21:57.11 | itchi | coz_: Of microsoft.com |
| 21:57.15 | piper69 | !hostap |
| 21:57.19 | braindead_moron | Akuma_, Sorry, I tried :-) |
| 21:57.20 | pupy | anyone knows of a autoconf macro for detecting ImageMagick, or could tell me a package which relies on it so I can see how developers do it? |
| 21:57.20 | moshii | coz_: less stress on the debian mirrors |
| 21:57.35 | itchi | coz_: Just look on the website of the product |
| 21:57.39 | coz_ | moshii, i see thanks wow youguys are more forthcoing with inforation I like that |
| 21:57.46 | Akuma_ | braindead_moron: well at least im a step closer |
| 21:57.55 | coz_ | Ok off to download then thanks again guys |
| 21:57.56 | peteweez | coz_: #debian is one of the nicest channels out there |
| 21:58.03 | Thunder | anyone know if i can remove all the contents installed onto my server appert from the os itself? |
| 21:58.16 | coz_ | peteweez, cool I am glad to hear that |
| 21:58.16 | peteweez | I've been trying gentoo, but #gentoo people aren't as nice as #debian people :) |
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| 21:58.47 | coz_ | petemc, in all honesty I thnk it is silly to have that kindof emotional involvement in an Os but.. to each theri own:) |
| 21:58.48 | peteweez | #gentoo people expect you to know everything |
| 21:58.54 | peteweez | coz_: yeah true |
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| 21:59.06 | coz_ | petemc, that was meant for peteweez |
| 21:59.06 | plasmid | trying to install the nvidia driver for a testing workstation. If apt-get install nvidia-graphics-driver is not found... what command would search apt-get for anything related to nvidia drivers? |
| 21:59.19 | peteweez | coz_: yep |
| 21:59.39 | coz_ | thanks again guys i will more than like ly be back oh! I can run beryl right? |
| 21:59.39 | rahul | peteweez: only people who know everything are successful at using gentoo :) |
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| 22:00.05 | itchi | coz_: Yup, on Etch, no problem |
| 22:00.10 | peteweez | rahul: actually it's a good premise...but forget it if GCC has a tendency to segfault because your CPU sucks @$$. |
| 22:00.14 | Zerthis | plasmid: nvidia-glx is the package, or apt-cache search nvidia |
| 22:00.19 | piper69 | where can i read information about hostap |
| 22:00.29 | kombi__ | is there a debian standard kernel that has shfs enabled? |
| 22:00.34 | coz_ | itchi, well good I have a bit of involment with beryl dnow, i am the guy that makes the dnowflakes :0 so... thanks again |
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| 22:00.48 | rahul | peteweez: well, then you're mostly screwed anyway |
| 22:00.49 | itchi | coz_: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 22:00.55 | coz_ | snowflakes and I al also the guy that type really poorly! :0 |
| 22:01.18 | plasmid | Zerthis, after running apt-get install nvidia-glx i get this: Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 22:01.18 | roe_ | how often should I run ntpdate |
| 22:01.19 | Thunder | if someone could help me out on a few simple commands on debian plz send me a PM |
| 22:01.23 | peteweez | rahul: true...but I'm too cheap to buy new junk. And gcc doesn't segfault all the time |
| 22:01.28 | abrotman | roe_: probably no more often than once a day |
| 22:01.35 | abrotman | !tell thunder about grounding |
| 22:01.45 | itchi | roe_: Once a day, 2 times a day, depend of your needs |
| 22:01.47 | kombi__ | coz_: roe_: once a day is enough |
| 22:01.55 | Zerthis | plasmid: which debian are u running? |
| 22:01.59 | rahul | peteweez: heh |
| 22:02.04 | piper69 | abrotman: man you left me alone last night,,, i was scared to death |
| 22:02.06 | piper69 | lol |
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| 22:02.25 | abrotman | it was 11pm here |
| 22:02.54 | piper69 | abrotman: it all good |
| 22:03.23 | itchi | Pluk: Hello, us have an #debian-nl and recently an Dutch section on the Debian wiki :-) |
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| 22:03.50 | Pluk | thx itchi |
| 22:04.00 | itchi | Pluk: ;-) |
| 22:04.04 | plasmid | Zerthis, I upgraded from stable to etch. |
| 22:04.12 | piper69 | abrotman: i did everything but couldn't get that hostap to work , i am missing the driver i think, coz when i did /etc/init.d/hostapd start , i got an error |
| 22:04.18 | Zerthis | plasmid: and make sure you have the non-free repo in your sources.list |
| 22:04.21 | itchi | Pluk: Feel free to stay here to, i not want to chasse you, just give some /news/ ;-) |
| 22:04.30 | plasmid | Zerthis, how do I do that? |
| 22:04.47 | plasmid | Zerthis, i substituted "stable" with "etch" |
| 22:04.50 | abrotman | piper69: go back to orinoco :) |
| 22:05.21 | Zerthis | plasmid: as root: nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free after main on the line which contains the official debian repository |
| 22:05.34 | jplibre | I guess I'm just being dense - but I have done this in the past and not seen a problem. made 15 raid1 mirrors from 30 drives, then striped all of those onto a single md. but on reboot the array never comes back up fully. there seems to be some sort of timing issue going on |
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| 22:05.46 | piper69_ | abrotman: that is the problem, how can i reinstall the orinoco |
| 22:06.09 | jplibre | it's the standard mdadm way to do RAID10 |
| 22:06.14 | kombi__ | on a standard installation, where would I find the kernel conf? |
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| 22:06.35 | jplibre | kombi__: /boot/ |
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| 22:08.08 | Flimzy | Is anyone here using Xen 3.0.3 on Debian sarge with the backports packages? When I try to boot with the xen server, it says it's an invalid file format... |
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| 22:09.04 | kombi__ | jplibre: If I use that to recompile and just alter one tiny setting, that box should reboot even when a some 10000 miles away.. |
| 22:09.13 | kombi__ | ..? |
| 22:09.46 | dendrite | kombi__: Depends on the one change. |
| 22:09.57 | jplibre | kombi__: which setting |
| 22:09.57 | kombi__ | true..;) |
| 22:10.00 | dendrite | kombi__: If you mean will it be sure to reboot clean. |
| 22:10.01 | kombi__ | shfs |
| 22:10.08 | jplibre | dendrite's hit it right on the head |
| 22:10.15 | dendrite | kombi__: And assuming that evil gnomes haven't nested in your CPU case. |
| 22:10.24 | kombi__ | gnomes... |
| 22:10.33 | jplibre | keep at least one previous kernel in place |
| 22:10.52 | jplibre | heck, I get lazy and have 5 or 6 in some cases |
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| 22:11.04 | kombi__ | I've got to do this on three remote server and it scares the shit out of me.. |
| 22:11.11 | dendrite | 10,000 miles away? Is this thing in orbit? |
| 22:11.21 | jplibre | and are you using grub? |
| 22:11.27 | jplibre | hahaha |
| 22:11.38 | jplibre | 10,000 miles is only 1/3 of the earth's circumference |
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| 22:12.08 | kombi__ | well, not quite 10000 maybe, I'm not sure about grub because all three are virutal servers |
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| 22:12.24 | jplibre | virtual servers run on what platform and what virtual server |
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| 22:13.01 | kombi__ | jplibre: all of them debian and intel, at least that's what is in cpuinfo |
| 22:13.03 | jplibre | put it this way - make sure your kernel args and root filesystem are correct, and that an ssh daemon comes up, and you're good to go |
| 22:13.14 | jplibre | kombi__: Xen? |
| 22:13.23 | usr_rob | "ATi Mobility Radeon X1400 128MB Semi-shared PCI Express" what does PCI express stand for? Is it possible to upgrade? I know what Mini-pci are, but PCI Express ? |
| 22:13.24 | kombi__ | that I must check.. |
| 22:13.44 | kombi__ | come to think of it, how do i? |
| 22:14.02 | jplibre | usr_rob: man, PCI express 1x, 4x, 8x, 16x |
| 22:14.06 | peteweez | How do I mark a whole section of a disk as unusable on the filesystem level? |
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| 22:14.13 | jplibre | usr_rob: mini-pci is totally different - laptops |
| 22:14.45 | usr_rob | jplibre: Okey, cause i want to upgrade to nvidia card in my thinkpad |
| 22:14.47 | jplibre | usr_rob: some SLI motherboards have dual 16x PCIe. Most are coming with a bunch of 1x PCIe now |
| 22:15.18 | jplibre | I fear that most motherboards have onboard video |
| 22:15.21 | usr_rob | jplibre: Okey, thx alot! |
| 22:15.33 | jplibre | and you will be shelling out at least $800 for the motherboard itself |
| 22:15.46 | jplibre | PCI express onboard - as in built into the laptop mainboard |
| 22:16.04 | VIm_Enforcer | cya later yall |
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| 22:16.27 | jplibre | usr_rob: np |
| 22:17.27 | jplibre | you appreciate the flexibility of desktops after dealing with laptop failures and custom-designed and not-quite compatible hardware for a while |
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| 22:17.48 | kombi__ | jplibre: It just occurs to me that there is hardly a chance to use grub from remote (besides just entering the new kernel an hoping it'll boot) |
| 22:18.18 | jplibre | kombi__: negatory! Do you have remote serial console access? |
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| 22:18.35 | kombi__ | jplibre: what is that? |
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| 22:19.07 | jplibre | you can watch the entire boot sequence via serial console, including various cards and on into GRUB |
| 22:19.29 | kombi__ | that would be ideal |
| 22:19.45 | sparrw | how can i print in landscape orientation from inkscape? or what lossless format can inkscape export to that i can print in landscape from another program? |
| 22:19.48 | jplibre | well, that is what I am used to setting up |
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| 22:20.10 | kombi__ | how do you do that hardware-wise? |
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| 22:20.39 | jplibre | db9 -> RJ45 -> Cyclades or similar serial access console |
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| 22:20.48 | jplibre | Cyclades, Raritan, whoever else makes them |
| 22:21.02 | linux_jones | i have a 2 part question, 1 how can i make my little task bar thingy look "cooler"? |
| 22:21.23 | jplibre | run fluxbox? |
| 22:21.35 | kombi__ | I'll check i f anything like that is in place over there, I doubt it though.. |
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| 22:23.12 | linux_jones | anyone? |
| 22:23.59 | kombi__ | linux_jones: I've never had anthing graphical on any box, let alone a task bar..,) |
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| 22:26.36 | jplibre | linux_jones: run fluxbox, good taskbar, good tabs |
| 22:26.41 | jplibre | low resource usage |
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| 22:27.24 | jplibre | and prettier on my desktop than anything else I have seen - just lots of terminals with different transparency colors |
| 22:27.31 | overnout | linux_jones: we dont even know what window manager you are using |
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| 22:27.44 | kritical | Does anyone know how to drop eth0 and bring it back up remotely? |
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| 22:28.44 | linux_jones | overnout, kde |
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| 22:29.32 | jplibre | overnout: You figure it's KDE or GNOME... |
| 22:29.42 | kritical | Will `ifdown eth0 && sleep 2 && ifup eth0` work via ssh? |
| 22:30.11 | overnout | oh ...its ages since using kde/gnome |
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| 22:30.21 | kritical | (I forgot to setup full duplex) |
| 22:30.29 | itchi | kritical: Maybe run it in an screen session, to be sure?? |
| 22:30.31 | lkusmir | kritical, you'd better try a screen session |
| 22:30.42 | jplibre | aye. I always try kde or gnome with a new distro to see if it is less annoying |
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| 22:30.53 | creature | Hey everyone. I have two Debian PCs, and a bit of crossover Cat5. I want to get them networked to one another. Bonus points if machine B can access the internet via machine A's connection. How do I go about this? |
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| 22:31.07 | jplibre | but it is always more annoying and can't do what fluxbox can |
| 22:31.38 | jplibre | creature: long story short? get a second ethernet card if you must use the crossover |
| 22:31.41 | overnout | actually i only need an xterminal |
| 22:32.03 | overnout | ok and some graphical shortcuts to make life easier |
| 22:32.12 | overnout | so fluxbox is really nice for that |
| 22:32.13 | itchi | creature: Look to masquerading |
| 22:32.34 | creature | itchi: Well, first up I just need A<->B connectivity. |
| 22:32.50 | itchi | creature: Put the cable in?? |
| 22:32.52 | creature | jplibre: Well, I have, essentially. Machine A's connection is via wifi; the ethernet bit is wired. |
| 22:33.12 | jplibre | creature: but what is the internet connection? |
| 22:33.15 | Coweater | creature: connect em, give em static ips in the same subnet, man interfaces for setting that up |
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| 22:33.20 | bobbyz | creature: that's as simple as just assigning them two different ips on the same subnet and pluggin the cable in :) |
| 22:33.29 | chjunior | guys, can somebody help me with pppoe? |
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| 22:33.41 | chjunior | i'm having these errors: "Timeout waing for pado packets" and "Unable to complete pppoediscover" |
| 22:33.52 | jplibre | creature: yes. and if you want to add more to the network, get a $25 linksys/cisco switch |
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| 22:34.16 | creature | jplibre: I've got a switch, just not with me here. :( |
| 22:34.23 | itchi | creature: Or use one computer with 36 nics, an all point to it :-) |
| 22:34.43 | bobbyz | chjunior: I haven't done a lot of pppoe, but which pppoe packages are you using? The little bit I've done was made very simple by rp-pppoe |
| 22:35.28 | jplibre | itchi: show me a bus that supports that and we'll be good friends |
| 22:35.46 | creature | itchi: This isn't a long term solution. |
| 22:35.57 | creature | itchi: For the past two weeks I've been trying to get my wifi to work. |
| 22:36.01 | chjunior | bobbyz: well.... I think that is the default package of debian... with pppoeconf |
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| 22:36.04 | jplibre | don't even say USB because I will ... run awayyyy |
| 22:36.04 | itchi | jplibre: Super nova computers :-) Look in you local shop :-) |
| 22:36.13 | creature | Time pressures mean that my solution is now "Pinch some cat5 crossover from work". |
| 22:36.38 | itchi | creature: Sure it will do it right over crossover |
| 22:36.47 | jplibre | creature: you already have the solution |
| 22:36.47 | chjunior | bobbyz: how to use rp-pppoe ? |
| 22:36.49 | jplibre | crossover will 'network' two cards together |
| 22:37.06 | bobbyz | chjunior: yeah, it looks like the debian pppoe package is built from rp-pppoe, so I suppose that should be okay |
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| 22:37.29 | chjunior | bobbyz: but isn't.... =/ |
| 22:37.49 | creature | jplibre: Yeah, that's what I'm up to now. |
| 22:37.54 | jplibre | jplibre: create a private subnet there |
| 22:37.57 | creature | No link lights yet, though. |
| 22:38.16 | jplibre | and use IPtables to get maximum joy for your IP masquerading |
| 22:38.16 | jplibre | learn the ways of the --forward |
| 22:38.17 | jplibre | table |
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| 22:38.32 | bobbyz | chjunior: sorry, I haven't done enough with it to help you troubleshoot. I've used rp-pppoe only a few times and I've never run into difficulties |
| 22:38.59 | chjunior | bobbyz: ok.... thanks :D |
| 22:39.08 | bobbyz | chjunior: good luck though! :) |
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| 22:39.15 | MattSc | Hey |
| 22:39.21 | MattSc | running sarge on a server |
| 22:39.21 | creature | Should I get link lights if the cables are plugged in, and neither has an IP or anything? |
| 22:39.30 | jplibre | between the cards? have to turn them on and assign stuff manually |
| 22:39.30 | jplibre | I am assuming one of these is not a DHCP server |
| 22:39.30 | jplibre | your little network is pretty impoverished in terms of services I figure |
| 22:39.33 | jplibre | just do a class C and ping back and forth |
| 22:39.41 | itchi | creature: Look to ipconfig -a (I dunno your GNU/Linux experience) |
| 22:39.46 | MattSc | and im having problems where i have to restart apache regulary as it seems to lag with page rendering times |
| 22:40.01 | creature | itchi: Both interfaces are up, but don't have an IP assigned. |
| 22:40.01 | jplibre | creature: not necessarily - |
| 22:40.01 | MattSc | I have spoke to people in apache and they said maybe try here |
| 22:40.01 | MattSc | lol |
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| 22:40.15 | itchi | creature: Give one look to ifconfig |
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| 22:40.30 | jplibre | creature: yes, follow the itchi teachings |
| 22:40.48 | jplibre | link lights may or may not mean anything with crossover cables |
| 22:40.50 | itchi | creature: Want to learn a bit? Or go fast with an solution? |
| 22:41.10 | creature | itchi: Neither, right now. I can give 'em both an IP, I just wanted to make sure that I'm not missing something obvious. |
| 22:41.27 | jplibre | nope |
| 22:41.34 | jplibre | assign the IPs and start pinging |
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| 22:41.55 | itchi | creature: To be sure, you can look with 'dmesg' to see that the network card has been loaded |
| 22:42.00 | jplibre | no need for gateways - make sure the netmask is class C |
| 22:42.05 | peteweez | How do I mark a whole section of a disk as unusable on the filesystem level? |
| 22:42.29 | itchi | creature: So you know what's happend and so |
| 22:42.36 | creature | jplibre: Assigned IPs - one is 192.168.5.100, the other is on 192.168.5.101. They can't ping each other. Destination host unreachable. |
| 22:42.41 | jplibre | peteweez: reserved? or unusable? |
| 22:42.56 | creature | BRB. |
| 22:43.05 | jplibre | creature: doh |
| 22:43.19 | peteweez | jplibre: uh just so that those blocks are never written to |
| 22:43.23 | jplibre | are you sure it's a crossover cable? |
| 22:43.25 | itchi | creature: Look to route |
| 22:43.36 | peteweez | jplibre: i.e. they exist on the fs but are NEVER used |
| 22:43.54 | RvGaTe | just trying out this Rhythmbox music player.... damn, this is such a great piece of software for a pub/club or wherever... im suprised about the speed in the searches searches 40gb of music in notime... this is great |
| 22:44.11 | jplibre | peteweez: which filesystem |
| 22:44.30 | peteweez | jplibre: any linux-y filesytem will work, but I'd like to use ext2 or ext3. |
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| 22:44.51 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yeah, there are some realy nice tools we never could be believe it in the /sad/ world ;-) |
| 22:44.58 | chjunior | i'm having these errors: "Timeout waing for pado packets" and "Unable to complete pppoediscover" and now "Terminating on signal 15" |
| 22:45.00 | jplibre | peteweez: well, long way around, partition around it? |
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| 22:45.43 | peteweez | jplibre: It must be done on the fs level for my purposes |
| 22:45.52 | peteweez | jplibre: partition level is unacceptable |
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| 22:46.53 | jplibre | peteweez: UNACCEPTABLE, you say? |
| 22:46.54 | jplibre | okay |
| 22:47.12 | peteweez | jplibre: because I'm dealing with plausible deniability, etc...don't ask |
| 22:47.16 | creature | jplibre: It's got "X X X Crossover" written on it, and the engineers handed it to me saying "This is the only one we have, but we can crimp more if we need it while you've got it." |
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| 22:48.39 | chjunior | i'm having these errors: "Timeout waing for pado packets" and "Unable to complete pppoediscover" and now "Terminating on signal 15" |
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| 22:49.33 | CosmoDad | I'm trying to use mkinitrd within a VMware vm but what I get is this: "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5:modprobe failed\nFATAL: Module mptspi not found." any hint? |
| 22:49.34 | creature | itchi: I would expect to get link lights even if a valid route doesn't exist. |
| 22:49.36 | itchi | creature: The 8 little cables are not the same on both sides? |
| 22:49.36 | jplibre | peteweez: you've got me - nothing in tune2fs will work precisely as you'd like |
| 22:49.53 | peteweez | jplibre: how about manually mapping bad blocks? |
| 22:49.56 | jplibre | creature: I am betting the cable is bogus |
| 22:50.00 | creature | itchi: By the way, I withdraw my previous comment. I want to go fast to a solution. :) |
| 22:50.07 | itchi | creature: Try crossover on google image |
| 22:50.19 | itchi | creature: hehe |
| 22:50.34 | itchi | creature: Yeah, maybe first look an to be sure it's the right cable |
| 22:50.38 | jplibre | man, you need a cable tester |
| 22:50.58 | chjunior | i'm having these errors: "Timeout waing for pado packets" and "Unable to complete pppoediscover" and now "Terminating on signal 15" |
| 22:51.04 | itchi | hhhmm, creature Plug it on the network, i have an tester here :-) |
| 22:51.04 | elif | hi, I'm having problems with etch using two monitors. It simple break, stopping everything, even mouse. Anyone knows if this problem is general in etch, when I was with stable, never happened something like that... thks |
| 22:51.07 | chjunior | on pppoe |
| 22:51.12 | jplibre | it is impossible to eyeball an RJ-45 |
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| 22:51.15 | chjunior | i'm having these errors on PPPOE: "Timeout waing for pado packets" and "Unable to complete pppoediscover" and now "Terminating on signal 15" |
| 22:51.22 | jplibre | well, not impossible |
| 22:51.28 | jplibre | but at least "exciting" |
| 22:51.45 | creature | White-orange-white-blue-white-green-white-brown on one end. White-green-white-blue-white-orange-white-brown on the other, when both connectors are oriented identically. |
| 22:52.15 | itchi | elif: Become your gfx card hot? |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | ask freaking google |
| 22:52.41 | itchi | creature: I told you, google image, i have got there one 3 mins ago ;-) |
| 22:52.55 | elif | itchi: I don't think, my bios don't have such feature to see its temp |
| 22:53.16 | elif | but, maybe, cause i'm using my computer since yesterday.. |
| 22:53.22 | itchi | elif: You not especially have an sensor for that, put your hand on it, too hot?? |
| 22:53.36 | itchi | elif: A bit of feeling |
| 22:53.49 | creature | itchi: Then yes, the cable is fine. |
| 22:53.55 | itchi | creature: Okay |
| 22:54.01 | elif | itchi: hm... ok, but i'll have to find it, (its onboard)... |
| 22:54.07 | creature | It's going through an extension cable, though. Let me see if I can do it without doing that. |
| 22:54.15 | elif | yes |
| 22:54.19 | elif | very hot |
| 22:54.45 | itchi | elif: Maybe the card goes hot, and it crash because it's to hot?? Yeah, maybe it have nothings to do with what it tell, but can be are an cause |
| 22:55.04 | itchi | hhmm |
| 22:55.26 | itchi | elif: Can you leave your hand on it for ... say 45 seconds? |
| 22:55.39 | elif | itchi: you're right, but strangely in the same conditions when using stable nothing happened for days |
| 22:55.59 | itchi | elif: Yeah, you can begin to troubleshoot the thing |
| 22:56.08 | elif | itchi: impossible too hot for that |
| 22:56.11 | itchi | creature: Have you play with ifconfig? |
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| 22:56.51 | itchi | elif: Okay, maybe take an external fan or so. Maybe, first steps, the log files :-/ |
| 22:57.36 | itchi | elif: Which card have you exactly? |
| 22:57.39 | creature | itchi: on the laptop I've taken down all interfaces except eth2 (the ethernet card) and lo. |
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| 22:57.55 | creature | Although, actually, can I check that eth2 is the ethernet card? |
| 22:57.59 | elif | itchi: I look for logs, but it registered nothing, its strange, because now without 2 screens my system is going normal, besides it's very hot |
| 22:58.00 | creature | Still no link lights, by the way. |
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| 22:58.14 | elif | itchi: I have a sis 630 |
| 22:58.20 | Thunder | im trying to turn globals off but cant seem to do it |
| 22:58.26 | Thunder | Get the path to the ini file from the "Configuration File (php.ini) Path" on your phpinfo page. |
| 22:58.31 | Thunder | # nano /etc/php.ini |
| 22:58.42 | elif | itchi: an old computer... p3 750 |
| 22:59.10 | itchi | creature: Each have his ip now? |
| 22:59.36 | creature | itchi: Laptop is on 192.168.5.101. PC is on 192.168.5.100. |
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| 23:00.08 | itchi | creature: Look now with 'route' on both comps |
| 23:00.10 | Thunder | i typed > server:~# nano /ect/apache/php.ini |
| 23:00.25 | creature | Although interestingly, I appear to have two ethernet interfaces on this PC. |
| 23:00.27 | itchi | creature: Ohyea, you did that masquerading stuff there? |
| 23:00.40 | abrotman | which version of apache ? |
| 23:00.44 | Thunder | but unsure how to edit |
| 23:00.56 | itchi | creature: Look to /msg dpkg masquerading |
| 23:00.57 | Thunder | 1 i guess |
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| 23:01.25 | creature | itchi: right now I don't care about masquerading, I just want to get them talking to each other. |
| 23:01.38 | elif | itchi: maybe can be a hardware problem, so I will leave for a while until it's become very cold, because in fact when I start the computer it holds longer until break |
| 23:01.45 | abrotman | Thunder: updatedb && locate php.ini |
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| 23:02.31 | itchi | elif: I dunno, the best way is to begin to google about it, yeah i know, but maybe you gona find the hint there? |
| 23:02.38 | levander | I was told that apitutde can tell you what packages were installed as dependencies for a given package you installed awhile back. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 23:02.51 | elif | itchi: ok, thks anyway |
| 23:02.58 | vulture | levander: It only works if you installed them with aptitude to begin with. |
| 23:03.01 | itchi | elif: Nope, Your Welcome ;-) |
| 23:03.12 | itchi | creature: Ping did it? |
| 23:03.23 | Thunder | /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 23:03.23 | Thunder | /usr/share/doc/php4-common/examples/php.ini-dist |
| 23:03.23 | Thunder | /usr/share/doc/php4-common/examples/php.ini-paranoid |
| 23:03.23 | Thunder | /usr/share/doc/php4-common/examples/php.ini-recommended |
| 23:03.23 | Thunder | /usr/share/php4/php.ini-dist |
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| 23:03.24 | vulture | levander: And you can inspect the "auto" and "noauto" flags aptitude tracks with aptitude (somehow.. not sure exactly which query will show you the auto/noauto status of packages) |
| 23:03.30 | levander | vulture: I did install the package with aptitude to begin with. |
| 23:03.30 | Thunder | :/ |
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| 23:03.35 | itchi | Thunder: Hhhm auto rejoin, pay attention with that |
| 23:03.43 | Thunder | sorry |
| 23:03.43 | creature | Oh, that's interesting. I did a "dmesg eth0" to make sure that I did get the modules for my ethernet on the desktop loaded OK. And I found "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready" |
| 23:03.58 | geo-rge | Thunder: so... use a pastebin and avoid that :P |
| 23:04.01 | vulture | levander: What is it you want to know, exactly? you can find out which packages are dependencies of another just with apt-get show - |
| 23:04.08 | geo-rge | Thunder: np |
| 23:04.11 | abrotman | <Thunder> /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 23:04.14 | abrotman | try that one |
| 23:04.18 | itchi | creature: Yeah, depend when he was not ready :-) |
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| 23:04.26 | vulture | levander: If you want to see what will be removed by removing a certain package (aptitude will remove unused or orphaned packages along with whatever you ask to remove) just try "aptitude remove" |
| 23:04.34 | levander | vulture: but, not all the dependencies for the package were installed when i installed that package. Some were already on the system. |
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| 23:04.53 | geo-rge | levander: then... no worries? |
| 23:05.01 | levander | vulture: aptitude remove only removes the packages that depend on the package you are uninstalling, i want it the other way |
| 23:05.09 | geo-rge | that is, if already there, it's all good |
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| 23:05.14 | itchi | creature: Maybe it was durring the boot, and when there's was no cable or whatever there |
| 23:05.27 | Teltariat | Greets folks. Quick question; I have compiled and installed a library outside of APT (because APT's version wasn't the latest). How do I inform dpkg that I'm maintaining the package to prevent it from installing it by accident if I'm installing some other piece of software that has that as a dependency? |
| 23:05.30 | levander | geo-rge: i want to figure out which dependencies were installed for a given package |
| 23:05.39 | vulture | levander: No - it removes all the orphans as well. |
| 23:05.45 | geo-rge | there's a dotty option to apt-cache |
| 23:05.48 | creature | itchi: I see. |
| 23:05.53 | levander | geo-rge: not all the dependencies, just the dependencies installed for the given package |
| 23:05.55 | creature | God, computers are so irritating sometimes. |
| 23:06.00 | vulture | levander: If they were already on the system, it's because they were needed b ysomething else (assuming yo uinstalled _everything_ with aptitude) |
| 23:06.03 | levander | vulture: okay, thanks, didn't know that, i'll try a --simulate |
| 23:06.17 | itchi | creature: The guy that use it? :-p |
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| 23:06.21 | geo-rge | levander: that would require historical/timeline data, which is not stored |
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| 23:06.49 | itchi | creature: Yeah, you just need to learn how the stuff works, you gona see, it's easy once you know your toys |
| 23:06.51 | vulture | if you install X without aptitude, then installed Y with aptitude, and Y depends on X, removing Y will not remove X because aptitude doesn't know X is orphaned (it assumes all things are nonauto, except those things it knows otherwise - you can teach it about things you installed outside using aptitude markauto and aptitude marknoauto or whatever it is..) |
| 23:06.52 | geo-rge | but it could remove things that are otherwise undepended upon when removing |
| 23:06.59 | usr_rob | downloading minix3 now, hehe livecd. will be fun to give it a try |
| 23:07.03 | creature | itchi: No, I do know my toys, I don't see why this doesn't work. |
| 23:07.13 | nick234 | Hi, after updating debian etch, i get this error: Kernel panic not syncing: No init found Try passing init= option to kernel. What can i do? |
| 23:07.19 | levander | vulture: okay, it looks like it does remove the orphans also |
| 23:07.22 | creature | My routes look sane, both have a static IP, and I'm almost 100% certain that both NICs are known good. |
| 23:07.22 | itchi | creature: You have not reply to my previous question, so i dunno where you are right now |
| 23:07.28 | levander | vulture: apt-get doesn't do the same thing does it? |
| 23:07.37 | itchi | creature: s/question/questions/ |
| 23:07.41 | geo-rge | usr_rob: minix was fun... I rebuilt its C lib by hand, before any linux existed |
| 23:07.51 | itchi | creature: Some time you skip one it's looks ;-) |
| 23:07.53 | vulture | levander: No. apt-get doesn't have any orphan tracking |
| 23:07.56 | creature | itchi: I'm sorry, I didn't see the questions. What were they? |
| 23:07.59 | usr_rob | geo-rge: You rule!! |
| 23:08.01 | usr_rob | ;) |
| 23:08.15 | vulture | levander: A good reason to never use it & just use aptitude from the get-go. |
| 23:08.15 | levander | vulture: great thanks, i think that's what the person was talking about, thanks |
| 23:08.15 | itchi | creature: I dunno, like im lost with you haha |
| 23:08.27 | itchi | creature: Cable in, card up, ping/route ok? |
| 23:08.39 | Thunder | i typed > nano /etc/php4/apache/php.ini it loaded i see GNU nano 1.2.4 file: /etc/php4/apache/php.ini what do i type? |
| 23:08.47 | geo-rge | so then aptitude should be required/base? |
| 23:09.12 | creature | itchi: I have desktop and laptop. There is a crossover cable between desktop and laptop. |
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| 23:09.36 | creature | ifconfig eth2 on the laptop shows that it has a sane IP, and it is up. ifconfig eth0 on the desktop shows the same. |
| 23:09.57 | creature | route on both machines shows sane values - that stuff on 192.168.2.0 should go over eth2 and eth0 respectively. |
| 23:09.57 | geo-rge | maybe apt-get should go away (given it was originally just a test of the libs), and aptitude should replace it together with a symlink pointing at it named apt-get |
| 23:10.10 | usr_rob | geo-rge: have you worked with NetBSD or OpenBSD too, what do you think of them ? |
| 23:10.23 | creature | ping returns "Destination Host Unreachable" on the laptop and desktop. |
| 23:10.26 | geo-rge | tried netbsd on a mac se/30 |
| 23:10.34 | usr_rob | okey :) |
| 23:10.36 | geo-rge | never got it to boot |
| 23:10.51 | itchi | creature: Just formality, ping on box A to his own ip works? Same with B |
| 23:10.54 | geo-rge | but that was while some netbsd people were trying to get it booted |
| 23:11.05 | peteweez | How do I mark a chunk of disk space as unusable on the filesystem level (maybe could someone tell me how to say for example, the 2 gig mark on this block device equals this block)? |
| 23:11.22 | usr_rob | i had gallery 1 on openbsd in chroot, but the preformence was kinda poor |
| 23:11.35 | creature | itchi: It doesn't on the desktop, but my firewall drops ping requests. |
| 23:11.55 | creature | It can ssh to its own IP, though. |
| 23:12.01 | geo-rge | peteweez: do that when you partition the drive |
| 23:12.12 | itchi | creature: Yeah, for test, you should be a bit better to turn it off, if it's safe to turn it off there. |
| 23:12.13 | peteweez | geo-rge: I need it on the fs level |
| 23:12.21 | geo-rge | why? |
| 23:12.25 | peteweez | geo-rge: plausible deniability |
| 23:12.29 | creature | itchi: And I can ping the laptop via its own IP, too. |
| 23:12.32 | peteweez | geo-rge: steg filesystems |
| 23:12.48 | geo-rge | umm... what exactly are you trying to accomplish |
| 23:12.50 | peteweez | geo-rge: Me being a paranoid idiot ;) |
| 23:13.14 | geo-rge | what's the significance of this 2g area? |
| 23:13.15 | peteweez | geo-rge: a truecrypt hidden volume with ext2 or ext3 as the outer fs as opposed to FAT |
| 23:13.30 | peteweez | geo-rge: just an arbitrary number...could be 20G |
| 23:13.45 | peteweez | I just need to be able to map byte sizes to block numbers |
| 23:13.53 | creature | itchi: Is there an iptables command for "delete all rules for eth0"? |
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| 23:14.44 | itchi | creature: As reference /msg dpkg iptables |
| 23:14.52 | jeward | What package contains the resize command? |
| 23:14.52 | abrotman | badblocks |
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| 23:15.00 | Thunder | # nano /etc/php4/apache/php.ini loaded: GNU nano 1.2.4 file: /etc/php4/apache/php.ini after typing: register_globals = On what do i do next? |
| 23:15.01 | itchi | creature: I need to look how to clean there rules, i no more remember |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | !tell jeward about search |
| 23:15.08 | abrotman | Thunder: restart apache |
| 23:15.23 | Thunder | apache2ctl restart |
| 23:15.25 | creature | itchi: As I say, I don't get link lights, which I'm taking to be A Bad Thing. |
| 23:15.47 | jeward | !tell jeward about search |
| 23:15.55 | jeward | Hmm, doesn't seem to work. |
| 23:15.57 | Thunder | im unsure how in the box im in by hitting enter it does nothing |
| 23:16.01 | geo-rge | jeward: xterm |
| 23:16.22 | geo-rge | jeward: did for me :P |
| 23:16.25 | jeward | geo-rge: And that'll install X, won't it? |
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| 23:16.34 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 23:16.43 | geo-rge | !depends xterm |
| 23:16.44 | itchi | creature: You gave it been an subnet and so? |
| 23:16.45 | jeward | I'd like resize without all of X. |
| 23:16.52 | dpkg | xterm: depends on xbitmaps, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libsm6, libx11-6, libxaw7, libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxmu6, libxt6 |
| 23:17.01 | Miesco | How do I make an alias with apache2? |
| 23:17.05 | jeward | Oh, looks okay then. |
| 23:17.09 | jeward | Thanks. |
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| 23:17.24 | peteweez | geo-rge: what is the format of bad blocks lists? that may help me. |
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| 23:17.35 | LucianSolaris | i need some help... |
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| 23:17.47 | LucianSolaris | it involves X |
| 23:17.48 | creature | itchi: It's got 192.168.5.0 to itself. My other networking goes on over 192.168.2.0. |
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| 23:18.20 | itchi | creature: It's been the right card you see it with ifconfig -a? Maybe look to the HWaddr to be sure it's of the right card that it is |
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| 23:18.33 | itchi | creature: okay, use the same |
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| 23:18.43 | creature | itchi: Yeah, as far as I know. |
| 23:18.43 | Thunder | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.45 | itchi | creature: At least, will be a bit more easy |
| 23:18.48 | Thunder | how do i do that? |
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| 23:19.06 | LucianSolaris | X displays on both my WXGA laptop panel in widescreen form and streches the view on my external monitor. I need to either A) disable my panel or B) get X to quit using a wide ratio on both screens (my panel backlight inverter is dead so i have to use an external monitor) |
| 23:19.33 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a tool that allows me to convert decimal vaules into binaryarrays |
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| 23:20.23 | LucianSolaris | oh btw the screen switch Fn key doesn't work in X, only on the console (like ctl+alt+Fx) |
| 23:20.29 | creature | itchi: The hardware address matches up on the desktop (I compared base addresses with dmesg logs and ifconfig output). |
| 23:20.46 | creature | itchi: As I say, I don't get link lights, which I'm willing to bet is definitely a contributing factor. |
| 23:20.52 | schme | peteweez: google around a bit for ext2 and "bad blocks inode" and you probably will find something (: |
| 23:20.57 | creature | I wonder if the crossover is duff. |
| 23:21.02 | itchi | creature: Yeah, use the same network mask |
| 23:21.16 | geo-rge | peteweez, hmm, no idea |
| 23:21.20 | itchi | creature: You have one on .5.0 and one on .2.0 |
| 23:21.28 | creature | itchi: No, I don't. |
| 23:21.36 | peteweez | schme: I know about the bad blocks inode...I just want to manually set what's mapped to it, so I need to know the format of the bad blocks list that is passed to mount |
| 23:21.41 | creature | The desktop has a wifi connection on .2.0. Its ethernet is on 5.0 too. |
| 23:21.46 | itchi | creature: Okay |
| 23:21.48 | peteweez | geo-rge: thanks anyway :-/ |
| 23:22.22 | itchi | creature: A bit weird then, it should do it |
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| 23:22.39 | creature | Yes it should. |
| 23:22.41 | creature | I hate computers. |
| 23:22.46 | itchi | creature: It's been on an ip you ping? Not on the computer name? |
| 23:22.53 | schme | peteweez: fsck does it, so maybe look into the code for fsck and work a tool from that? |
| 23:23.00 | itchi | creature: I love it, just love these not me :-) |
| 23:23.03 | creature | itchi: Yes, an IP. The 192.168.5.100 IP each time. |
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| 23:23.06 | rahul | don't hate the playa. hate the game. |
| 23:23.13 | Zerthis | lol |
| 23:23.36 | peteweez | schme: geez I wasn't thinking about coding...just writing a list in a text editor or making a script to write it for me :-P |
| 23:24.20 | schme | peteweez: Well the fsck source is a good place to learn how the list is made up tho :) |
| 23:24.49 | peteweez | schme: Yeah...but one must imagine that the fsck source is vast...and I really don't know C. |
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| 23:25.09 | itchi | creature: For that iptable, somethings easy is on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netfilter |
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| 23:25.38 | itchi | creature: You get your anwser to clear the table, maybe the firewall that block the stuff |
| 23:26.11 | LucianSolaris | hello? |
| 23:27.01 | itchi | LucianSolaris: Try hell<TAB> |
| 23:27.08 | schme | peteweez: debugfs might be able to do these things |
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| 23:27.20 | peteweez | schme: could do |
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| 23:27.40 | peteweez | schme: is the badblocks list just a space-separated list of inodes? |
| 23:27.52 | exei | how do you reconfigure X again, im using XFree86 |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | !drxx exei |
| 23:27.58 | dpkg | exei: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:28.05 | exei | thanks |
| 23:28.08 | exei | been a long time |
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| 23:28.54 | geo-rge | aninode isn't a block tho |
| 23:29.25 | schme | peteweez: I really have no idea.. I have been browsing around for documentation on the ext2 internals.. and all I find is that the bad blocks inode lists the bad blocks |
| 23:29.38 | creature | itchi: I've taken off the firewall for eth0. I get the same result. |
| 23:29.54 | peteweez | schme: Thanks...you've been a good help |
| 23:30.18 | LucianSolaris | hell<TAB>? |
| 23:30.20 | LucianSolaris | hell |
| 23:30.31 | exei | i have this integrated video, what driver should i use? |
| 23:30.34 | RvGaTe | How can i select an audio device with Rhythmbox ? |
| 23:30.34 | exei | vesa didn't work |
| 23:30.49 | schme | peteweez: which is why I kinda suggested the fsck source (: the part that marks bad blocks can't be too huge |
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| 23:31.44 | peteweez | schme: Yeah...I'll just go ahead and make an admission though...looking at C code to me makes little sense...I wouldn't know where to look. I can't program. |
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| 23:31.58 | Str0m | Hi, whats the command for renaming a folder via ssh?? |
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| 23:32.27 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:32.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
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| 23:32.28 | itchi | crap |
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| 23:32.33 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 23:32.33 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 23:32.35 | tarzeau | Str0m: mv |
| 23:32.39 | Str0m | oki |
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| 23:33.14 | usr_rob | geo-rge, how is the minix filesystem, is it stable ? |
| 23:33.26 | itchi | creature: Have you restart the network after you have down the firewall? |
| 23:33.48 | creature | No, but I have just now. |
| 23:34.06 | schme | peteweez: You got me quite interested in this here.. I think I will have a look meself |
| 23:34.15 | peteweez | schme: OK |
| 23:34.20 | creature | No change. |
| 23:34.37 | usr_rob | geo-rge, i'm planning to have as server system, i should read more about it. |
| 23:34.49 | LucianSolaris | Anyone in here X experts? |
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| 23:35.18 | bobbyz | peteweez: hiding data in marked bad blocks is still quite detectable |
| 23:35.27 | peteweez | Mike_Unt....that's that @$$hole |
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| 23:35.41 | bobbyz | peteweez: you're not going to find a perfect solution to hiding even the existence of data using a normal HD |
| 23:35.41 | peteweez | bobbyz: I know...when I'm done, I'll wipe the bad blocks list |
| 23:35.55 | peteweez | bobbyz: but I can get close with truecrypt |
| 23:36.04 | itchi | LucianSolaris: No we not like sex |
| 23:36.11 | peteweez | Mike_Unt tried to send me some stupid file |
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| 23:36.22 | azeem | itchi: behave. |
| 23:36.29 | bobbyz | that's why he was k-lined |
| 23:36.31 | azeem | peteweez: he got k-lines |
| 23:36.43 | peteweez | Was he doing it to other people too/ |
| 23:36.45 | peteweez | *? |
| 23:36.47 | azeem | sure |
| 23:36.49 | itchi | azeem: I could not resist :-) |
| 23:36.54 | azeem | itchi: then better leave |
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| 23:37.04 | itchi | Yeah |
| 23:37.15 | schme | peteweez: Won't using mkfs -l badblockslist.file work? |
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| 23:37.25 | peteweez | schme: yeah |
| 23:37.30 | schme | peteweez: of course you need to reformat the partition then |
| 23:37.30 | exei | debian don't support kvm switches? |
| 23:37.32 | peteweez | schme: but you have to make the list first |
| 23:37.38 | exei | my keyboard works, but my mouse isn't |
| 23:37.43 | peteweez | Why didn't they G-line him? |
| 23:37.54 | azeem | peteweez: they know what they're doing |
| 23:37.54 | schme | peteweez: I think that is just one block per line in that list |
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| 23:38.32 | peteweez | azeem: guess so |
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| 23:38.51 | peteweez | schme: OK now how do you map an arbitrary part of the disk (like x amount of MB into the disk) to an actual block number? |
| 23:38.59 | bobbyz | peteweez: you realize you're going to have to stop using a shell history, make sure programs you use never record file history, etc. right? |
| 23:39.21 | abrotman | peteweez: google "netgear DCC exploit" |
| 23:39.25 | peteweez | bobbyz: Yeah it's mindboggling...and someone told me about /var being an issue |
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| 23:39.54 | peteweez | abrotman: what's that jerk trying to send anyway? |
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| 23:40.02 | azeem | peteweez: 00:28 < abrotman> peteweez: google "netgear DCC exploit" |
| 23:40.02 | schme | peteweez: You need to know the block size. block size * numBlocks |
| 23:40.03 | streuner | hm |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | peteweez: use google |
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| 23:40.26 | azeem | peteweez: this is a network-wide problem and off-topic here |
| 23:40.48 | bobbyz | peteweez: there are SO many issues that have to be dealt with. You will have to stop using disk swap, you're going to have to scrub all portions of your disk on a regular basis to make sure all portions have similar physical access histories, you're going to have to look through all of the code of all programs you run, and on and on and on |
| 23:41.12 | peteweez | bobbyz: Is it overkill? |
| 23:41.21 | exei | DCC SEND "what exploit" |
| 23:41.26 | schme | bobbyz: You mean he is going to become an OpenBSD user? (: |
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| 23:41.42 | bobbyz | peteweez: simple answer: yes. You're better off setting up physical booby traps on your disk |
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| 23:42.02 | peteweez | bobbyz: but if I do that then the judge gives a default judgment against me |
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| 23:42.08 | bobbyz | schme: he's trying to hide all evidence of a hidden disk |
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| 23:42.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:42.40 | peteweez | bobbyz: We talked about this last night, didn't we? |
| 23:42.42 | bobbyz | schme: I've told him before that any forensics expert worth his weight will discover a hidden volume on a HD |
| 23:42.46 | bobbyz | peteweez: yes |
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| 23:43.28 | schme | bobbyz: Without a doubt. x amounts of blocks all lined up after another with just enough space to hide stuff.. looks suspicious ya :) |
| 23:43.36 | schme | even if the bad blocks list is wiped (; |
| 23:43.59 | bobbyz | they won't necessarily discover the data on the disk if it is encrypted properly, but hiding the very existence of the crypto disk is a monumental task for a regular HD |
| 23:44.05 | peteweez | bobbyz: What about headerless encryption on a DVD or an external HD...then when I get sued hide it? |
| 23:44.10 | schme | x ammounts of bad blocks that is |
| 23:44.11 | schme | gaah |
| 23:44.27 | peteweez | bobbyz: what do you mean "regular HD"? Is there any other kind? |
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| 23:44.46 | jplibre | turn it into a pile of molten metal |
| 23:44.46 | jplibre | open it up, stick some rocks in between the platters, put it back and fire it up |
| 23:44.51 | jplibre | oops, drive failure |
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| 23:45.05 | schme | hiding an encrypted volume on an area marked as bad.. how to mount it tho? |
| 23:45.09 | schme | how will you access it? |
| 23:45.11 | jplibre | no, forensics will go into a clean room |
| 23:45.22 | jplibre | bit-for-bit copies will be made |
| 23:45.34 | jplibre | filesystems are irrelevant |
| 23:45.42 | bobbyz | peteweez: the way harddisks work, forensics experts can analyze the physical platters and can use special equipment to look at physical usage patterns |
| 23:45.46 | schme | jplibre: ya :) |
| 23:46.05 | jplibre | if you have used a clean room then you know what I am talking about |
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| 23:46.26 | jplibre | or read about it on wikipedia, whatever |
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| 23:46.50 | peteweez | schme: you mount it by mounting a different filesystem in the blocks that are supposed to be allocated to the other fs...overlapped filesystems |
| 23:47.05 | schme | I see. |
| 23:47.18 | bobbyz | peteweez: you're thinking from a filesystem perspective and not a physical device perspective |
| 23:47.21 | jplibre | you want to repeatedly randomize the bit patterns across the disk |
| 23:47.39 | jplibre | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<SUPERSECRETDRIVE> |
| 23:47.42 | jplibre | or some such |
| 23:47.48 | peteweez | jplibre: and also, I can't destroy the disk because then it's destroying evidence |
| 23:47.59 | teledyn | is a Core 2 Duo machine an x64 machine? |
| 23:48.04 | jplibre | peteweez: start writing and rewriting |
| 23:48.09 | peteweez | jplibre: I'm trying to completely fool the courts |
| 23:48.47 | schme | just don't put stuff on the harddrive |
| 23:48.53 | bobbyz | peteweez: I'll tell you again, you're better off just abiding by the law |
| 23:48.54 | schme | (: |
| 23:48.58 | jplibre | peteweez: MAGNETS. BIG MAGNETS |
| 23:48.59 | peteweez | schme: what about an external hd |
| 23:49.04 | h3sp4wn | teledyn: yes |
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| 23:49.10 | peteweez | jplibre: several thousand dollar magnets |
| 23:49.26 | schme | Yes. external HD. and burn it or whatever. |
| 23:49.27 | jplibre | orbital electromagnetic pulse cannons! |
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| 23:49.33 | peteweez | bobbyz: following laws is not fun! :-[ |
| 23:49.40 | h3sp4wn | teledyn: will run debian amd64 (but not the ia-64 - itanium port) |
| 23:49.41 | schme | other than that I agree with bobbyz . Just abide the law |
| 23:50.05 | ryanium | peteweez, you are going to jail :( |
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| 23:50.11 | peteweez | Maybe it'd be easier to try to get people using GnuNet than to fix my HD |
| 23:50.12 | jplibre | just log into BF2142, through your drive on the ground |
| 23:50.22 | peteweez | ryanium: what? You're turning me in? |
| 23:50.23 | jplibre | and unlock the EMP grenade |
| 23:50.43 | ryanium | peteweez, no lol |
| 23:50.58 | teledyn | h3sp4wn: thanks. you wouldn't happen to know of any sites with good comparison graphs? |
| 23:51.00 | peteweez | ryanium: OK then that's a funny joke |
| 23:51.48 | ryanium | i dont even know what you did, just caught end of convo |
| 23:51.49 | ryanium | :) |
| 23:51.54 | clearscreen | http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/ka_fucking_boom/164724.html NOW GO MAKE ONE |
| 23:51.58 | peteweez | ryanium: lol |
| 23:52.06 | jplibre | s/through/throw/ |
| 23:52.12 | jplibre | I fear, peteweez, if you haven't grokked all of the suggestions given thus far, you are SOL. |
| 23:52.28 | peteweez | jplibre: grokked? |
| 23:52.36 | jplibre | precisely my point |
| 23:52.50 | bobbyz | peteweez: just get rid of whatever illegal stuff you have, and abide by the law. Then you can even throw away your tin foil! :) |
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| 23:52.59 | jplibre | IT'S THE SLAMMER FOR YE, ME HEARTY |
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| 23:53.07 | jplibre | AVAST |
| 23:53.07 | ryanium | peteweez, smash your computer with a baseball bat. |
| 23:53.48 | jplibre | YARRR |
| 23:53.50 | |flamesrock| | is anybody else here getting DCC requests from the gayniggerassociation? They keep sending me them over and over..???? |
| 23:53.53 | h3sp4wn | teledyn: Nope - core 2 /is/ the fastest atm though |
| 23:53.58 | peteweez | ryanium: that results in a default judgment |
| 23:54.01 | Hobart | trying to get dns blacklists (sbl-xbl spamhaus) configured on debian sarge , the debian exim4 config is very non-exim-standard ... anyone gotten it working? The only instructions I found on Google don't seem to work |
| 23:54.26 | h3sp4wn | teledyn: try #hardware |
| 23:55.12 | ryanium | when i was 13 and i was ./ stuff |
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| 23:55.58 | ryanium | i had just freebsd telnet exploited a box, and my doorbell rang, i thought i was in trouble and microwaved a bunch of cd's and hid my laptop under my bed |
| 23:56.12 | peteweez | ryanium: rotflmao!!! |
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| 23:56.19 | Miesco | How would I reload gnome? |
| 23:56.21 | Miesco | Its frozen |
| 23:56.34 | peteweez | Miesco: ctrl alt backspace |
| 23:56.55 | peteweez | ryanium: who was really at the door? |
| 23:57.06 | ryanium | my neighbor wanting to borrow salt |
| 23:57.14 | peteweez | ryanium: LOL |
| 23:57.19 | creature | OK, I've got a link up! |
| 23:57.20 | creature | Woo! |
| 23:57.35 | ryanium | then i actually got in trouble for telenting to some boxes hosted by my ISP |
| 23:57.42 | Miesco | K thanks |
| 23:57.54 | peteweez | ryanium: how'd they punish you? |
| 23:57.56 | ryanium | and 'hacking' into the speedstream routers they had w/ default PW's admin |
| 23:58.26 | ryanium | they cut-off our internet. since i was like 14 or 15 then they made me sign a paper that said i wouldn't ever attempt to do those two things again |
| 23:58.53 | peteweez | ryanium: lol |
| 23:59.02 | ryanium | those were the days lol |
| 23:59.20 | creature | But, I can't ssh from one machine to the other. |
| 23:59.23 | ryanium | i still remember pamslamming one of my old friends |
| 23:59.26 | creature | I bet this is the firewall getting in the way. |
| 23:59.54 | creature | Yeh, it was. Boo for default-drop rules. |
